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You have made completely false assumptions to my entire post and point of view regarding this topic. It makes you look a little delusional how you came to the conclusions that you did from "my posts". I think your reading what other people wrote and attributing their views as mine, which they aren't..There are several of them here Ram. Criminal, P97, JB. They all do it. They accuse you of beliefs that you do not hold bcos it makes their lives easier in being able to attack the argument and insult you. It is their common trait, and it is incredibly dishonest. In fact, I no longer communicate with them bcos they are not willing to debate in an honest or respect manner.
I too never said the vax lacks all efficacy. I have said all along that it has some short term efficacy. I agree that it helps the recipient to avoid serious illness and death. The stats prove that. But what they do not prove is their long term efficacy, and that they will crush the virus. Therefore, you are correct. The vax is UNPROVEN. It does not do what it has been sold to do. It is a huge global political lie. As Elvis says, even if we were 100% vaxd, the virus would still be alive and well, living among us. So any mandate is a failed initiative bcos it cannot possibly achieve what it is told it will do.
What? The government lying to us? Surely this cannot be? They have never done that before. Have they? . Just every day. All through my life, the USA government has been lead by extreme liars. Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Bush and Bush, Trump, Obama. Now Biden. The whole fkn lot of them. Time and time again. It's surely part of the job description. Why people cannot accept that they could be lying to us again in order to win our compliance is beyond me. This is exactly why THEY DO LIE. Bcos of sheeple like these that buy their BS.
The anti-vaxxers are too brain-dead to understand.
They are also the first people who would beat a shirtless / shoeless person to death for disrespecting a "No shirt. No shoes. No service. " sign but somehow don't see the parallel to disrespecting a "Masks required for entry" sign.Another board member that smears people with ridiculous views that no one holds, so that they can attack them? Dear me. Haven't we just spoken of that?
Prove me wrong PVM. Show we one RCT that proves that masks are effective in curbing the spread of virus. Come on PVM, show me the science, please!! Surely, it can't be difficult bcos so many keep telling is that science is on their side! Come on, you can do it. Show us the science!
.Pedro, your inbox is full. I can not reply to your msg.
I am definitely very afraid of needles. Just the thought makes me feel queasy. I've never had a flu shot but I would not call myself an anti-vaxxer. I had two doses of Pfizer. I assume like most people my arm felt like someone stuck a needle in it for something like a day and a half. It was too late when a nurse pointed out my stupid oversight of getting the second dose in the same arm only a few weeks later. I might have suffered fatigue but I don't know because I was jet lagged both times I was vaccinated. Sometime in the next month I will get a booster and I don't plan to be jet lagged when I get it this time. We'll see what happens this time. Anti-vaxxers have a right to be anti-vaccine in most every country so far. I'm ok with it. The legal classic example used to teach law students the meaning of rights is the rights of anyone's fist are limited by the rights of anyone else's nose, as defined by the crime of assault. A more real life example are nude beaches. You can be a naturists among other naturists without being seen by people who aren't naturists. Soon maybe there will be anti-vax resorts.
Evidence? I make it a point to talk to all vaccinated people about their experiences and as I said previously, hundreds and hundreds of people I've talked to and none report 'horrible side effects.' So again I postulate that many anti-vaxxers are just plain pussies who are scared of needles.
Elvis 2008
12-11-21, 20:37
Evidence? I make it a point to talk to all vaccinated people about their experiences and as I said previously, hundreds and hundreds of people I've talked to and none report 'horrible side effects.' So again I postulate that many anti-vaxxers are just plain pussies who are scared of needles.LOL. Oh brother.
1. Drug companies refused to produce the vaccines unless given immunity, and they have said immunity.
2. USA offers no financial assistance (unlike the UK) to those harmed by the vaccine. UK usually has 100 people harmed by vaccines per year. This year it is 25 X as much.
3. Government officials hawking the vaccine have legal immunity from being sued if they are wrong about its benefits and risks.
4. Fauci, the "scientist" you Dems all love, said at first the virus was contained, then we did not need to wear masks, then admitted to lying about the need for masks, then said 70% vaccination would get us to herd immunity, then said 85% would do it and we know now that even 99% would not do it.
5. Orwell used the term double speak as a means to gain government control in his book 1984. What he meant was the government could quickly change a word to have two meanings. Clinton famously said when caught lying, "That depends on what your definition of is is". The CDC just changed what the word vaccine meant and will soon change what "fully vaccinated" means.
6. The FDA just asked a judge to extend the date on when they will release all the safety data on the Covid 19 vaccine. That date was 55 years from now. Now the FDA is asking for 75 years: https://www.theepochtimes.com/fda-says-it-now-needs-75-years-to-fully-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data_4145410.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge.
7. The vaccine probably will not work in the future. 79% of people infected with Omicron in the USA were fully vaccinated: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7050e1.htm?s_cid=mm7050e1_w.
8. There is a risk of heart damage with the vaccine. In Europe, soccer players who have been vaccinated are dropping like flies. See the link: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/have-professional-athletes-become-canary-covid-coalmine.
9. Young men are getting myocarditis and pericarditis as a result of the vaccine, The American Heart Association said in a study, "We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination". https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712.
10, Debilitating tinnitus has been reported to be as high as 24% in one study. There was a member on the board here who complained of having this after the vaccine, and I have seen 2 people in real life with this problem.
11. Flu like symptoms after getting the vaccine per the CDC are "very common". I have seen people suffer with flu like symptoms for 30 days after the vaccine was given.
12. Big Pharma's influence on the media: According to a 2009 study, with the exception of CBS every major media outlet in the United States shares at least one board member with at least one drug company.
13. In this 2017 article, Drug companies spend about $5 billion a year on advertising with these corporate media outlets. https://trofire.com/2017/04/11/big-pharma-owns-corporate-media-americans-waking-fighting-back/.
14. The United States is the only country, besides New Zealand, that legally permits "direct-to-consumer" pharmaceutical advertising. https://www.thrillist.com/health/nation/why-are-prescription-drug-advertisements-legal-in-america.
15. USA vaccination cards do not have just two lines for when vaccinations were given. They have four lines. To me, this was an expectation on the part of government and the drug companies that the vaccines were likely to fail after two shots were given.
16. The vaccines were not 95% effective against transmission. They are 0% effective, and the bullying on the basis that the vaccines prevent transmission (such as in your post) continues to this day.
First of all, I have been vegan for over twenty years. It doesn't protect you from viruses. Second of all, you exhibit all symptoms of those proposing failing arguments, most notably introducing arguments about veganism to support your stance on COVID, which, again also being vegan, I can assure you is absolutely unrelated.Ah bully for you Huacho, way to go, man. Then your not half as bad as the person that you sound to be!
"It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by research to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months.
Please provide a link to the research to substantiate that claim.You don't really need a study for that. Do you need an accountant to tell you how much money is in your wallet? It's literally a matter of counting the total number of deaths and dividing it by the number who were vaccinated.
A simple Google search will provide you with plenty of data from plenty of sources. However, to make it easier for you, here are a couple of links:
https://medicalpartnership.usg.edu/covid-19-staggering-statistic-98-to-99-of-americans-dying-are-unvaccinated/
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/09/texas-unvaccinated-deaths-higher-covid/
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
I know I'm on vacation, but this is such wonderful news I had to take a moment to share it. Wink.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/navy-commander-fired-vaccine-refusal-81685364
ScatManDoo
12-12-21, 11:27
Here is a novel idea: quit listening to people paid to promote the vaccine. This is from Robert Kennedy's book:
"The CDC is a subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry. The agency owns more than 20 vaccine patents and purchases and sells $4. 1 billion in vaccines annually. Congressman Dave Weldon has pointed out that the primary metric for success across the CDC is how many vaccines the agency sells and how successfully the agency expands its vaccine program regardless of any negative effects on human health."
40% of Pfizer's revenue has been off of the Covid vaccine and its profit off of it is close to $1 billion. It is amazing how many people are getting rich off a shitty vaccine, a vaccine so bad that it might not even work for the latest variant Omicron.Covid-19 has killed over 5.3 million people worldwide.
How dare the pharmaceutical industry use it as an excuse to grow profits?
J&J has pledged to do their distribution as needed world-wide initially as a non-profit activity. But expecting to cash in later as boosters and maintenance for vaccines are typical and expected.
https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327641/amp/Coronavirus-modelling-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-branded-mess-experts.html
When will Joe Biden resign given how many USAns have died of Covid-19 because of him? He has blood on his hands to quote Biden himself.
Ah bully for you Huacho, way to go, man. Then your not half as bad as the person that you sound to be!
"It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by research to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months.Since you are certain of your claims, please post a link to any double-blind, placebo controlled studies that back up your claim.
RamDavidson84
12-12-21, 18:35
Haha, anybody else kinda freaked out by just the name Omicron? It is kinda ominous as far as naming a virus. You think who ever picked this name chose it to scare people into getting the booster shots?
I hope no one takes this post too serious, anybody know who actually is in charge of naming the variants?
Media is saying boosters are 75% effective as stopping symptoms. I'll probably get it, Covid had me all fucked up for a week in August of 2020, I really don't feel like dealing with that again.
You have made completely false assumptions to my entire post and point of view regarding this topic. It makes you look a little delusional how you came to the conclusions that you did from "my posts". I think your reading what other people wrote and attributing their views as mine, which they aren't.You think that I made false assumptions? Afterall I did quote you exactly throughout. So I would respectfully suggest that either you didn't mean what you said or perhaps you just didn't express what you really thought.
Either way, you may want to review your screed before you hit the 'post' button.
I am very confused as to how the posts of other members had anything to do with my post and my opinion on the essay by Paul Kingsnorth.You said "no one is saying that vaccines (for CoVid) are useless" I didn't say that You said it. But your statement was clearly fallacious. There are several delusional members in this forum saying exactly that.
Again, I am extremely confused how you are trying to pick my post apart and make it look like I support some diabolical global covid conspiracy theory when I clearly stated the opposite in my post.Gee again for your benefit. I did not say that you said this. But you did say that no one was saying this. And in fact the same gaggle of idiots have been expressing this repeatedly. For the records you were wrong that no one was saying this but you do not belong in this group.
Yes. The vaccine is unproven! This is a new technology and we have never approved a vaccine anywhere near this fast. It will be years before we truly know how effective it was and also very importantly if there are any long term side effects from the vaccine. It could be a decade or more before we know all this information, so therefore the vaccine is unproven. Yes it is most likely very safe, and it probably greatly reduces your chance at being infected with serious disease from covid. But it is still unproven and because of that fact, I think people should be able to decide for themselves what to do with their health.This time you are wrong. Yes, due to the danger posed by the spread of CoVid, several vaccines were created very quickly and the FDA reviewed them and granted EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) but the FDA continued to study the vaccines and subsequently the FDA granted the Pfizer vaccine 'full approval' (8/21/2021). Here is a piece by John Hopkins to help you understand better the approval process, and what is involved. Moderna has already applied for Full Approval of their vaccine and it is expected to be approved as well.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/full-fda-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-should-know
I am absolutely saying that Governments are totally unreasonable at this point to lockdown. No I don't think I am smarter or more informed that anyone else, but I have the right to an opinion and the right to express it, so I will based off my life experiences. The vaccine was suppose to achieve heard immunity and reduce the chance of serious infection by 95%. It did nether. The vaccine did not achieve heard immunity and I believe at this point, even if we vaccinated 100% of the population, due to the false effectiveness of the vaccine and viral mutation, we would still have significant community spread from covid. Seriously I think you had excessive expectations from the first iteration of the vaccines. You really thought that in order to fight a world-wide pandemic you would wait for a vaccine that was 100% effective forever and would cover every viral mutation that might evolve? And since that isn't what has happened the existing vaccines are "unproven"? If so, why are you such a hypocrit and taking the vaccine and the booster. Didn't you just say you were going to do that?
My friend.....Now you are jumping to conclusions. I am not your friend. I have higher standards.
......You are putting so many false words in my mouth to try and argue a point I never agreed with just to start an argument.You object to my quoting you 'exactly'. And thereby putting "false words in your mouth" well try doing a better job of expressing your opinions. I didn't misquote you or jump to any conclusions. You are just changing what you meant because you realize how silly some of your comments are in retrospect.
Again I was arguing that "PRIVATE CITIZENS OUTSIDE PUBLIC SERVICE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THE VACCINE". I never said people should not take the vaccine bro.And I disagree with you but I recognize that many agree with you. I believe governments should take actions to protect their citizenry even if some are uninformed or misinformed about the serious nature of the threat.
This is one point where we can agree to disagree. Or if you really have a hard-on for this point. Let's argue more. I believe strongly in individual rights but I believe that those rights are not absolute and when those individual rights endanger the rights of others there is a balancing that government needs to do.
All that being said, I understand your reasoning for mandatory vaccines. I get it, there is a possibility that by not getting the vaccine you could spread the virus which could potentially infect and kill an innocent person. That is an incredibly noble and valid argument to make. I would never vilify an individual for advocating such a policy.That merits no argument from me. The rest of what you said is just argument that isn't changing my mind and I'm sure I could respond and wouldn't come close to changing yours.
This is a poor argument to make on my part, but this is some of my reasoning for why I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory. Pandemics are forces of nature, its like trying to stop a hurricane, you can't, all you can do at some point is take the best measures possible and pray for the best. I think if we made all vaccines mandatory, the loss of freedom would not justify the security it is trying to promise. I think many people would still get infected and die because the vaccines are not as effective as they were promised. The loss of personal freedom would erode society to the point that it would do more damage than the few lives spared from mandatory vaccinations. And again it is a horrible thing to say, but these spared lives would be the lives of people who are going to pass away relatively soon anyway. I believe when your run is over, taking one for the team is a noble deed. I have no problem dying for the freedom which has contributed so much to western civilization and societies all around the world. And just look at any genocide from history if you don't think freedom is worth fighting / dying for.
.....and once again God Bless America haha.Again we agree on that.
RamDavidson84
12-12-21, 22:34
You think that I made false assumptions? Afterall I did quote you exactly throughout. So I would respectfully suggest that either you didn't mean what you said or perhaps you just didn't express what you really thought.
Either way, you may want to review your screed before you hit the 'post' button.
You said "no one is saying that vaccines (for CoVid) are useless" I didn't say that You said it. But your statement was clearly fallacious. There are several delusional members in this forum saying exactly that.
Gee again for your benefit. I did not say that you said this. But you did say that no one was saying this. And in fact the same gaggle of idiots have been expressing this repeatedly. For the records you were wrong that no one was saying this but you do not belong in this group.
This time you are wrong. Yes, due to the danger posed by the spread of CoVid, several vaccines were created very quickly and the FDA reviewed them and granted EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) but the FDA continued to study the vaccines and subsequently the FDA granted the Pfizer vaccine 'full approval' (8/21/2021). Here is a piece by John Hopkins to help you understand better the approval process, and what is involved. Moderna has already applied for Full Approval of their vaccine and it is expected to be approved as well.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/full-fda-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-what-you-should-know
Seriously I think you had excessive expectations from the first iteration of the vaccines. You really thought that in order to fight a world-wide pandemic you would wait for a vaccine that was 100% effective forever and would cover every viral mutation that might evolve? And since that isn't what has happened the existing vaccines are "unproven"? If so, why are you such a hypocrit and taking the vaccine and the booster. Didn't you just say you were going to do that?
Now you are jumping to conclusions. I am not your friend. I have higher standards.
You object to my quoting you 'exactly'. And thereby putting "false words in your mouth" well try doing a better job of expressing your opinions. I didn't misquote you or jump to any conclusions. You are just changing what you meant because you realize how silly some of your comments are in retrospect.
And I disagree with you but I recognize that many agree with you. I believe governments should take actions to protect their citizenry even if some are uninformed or misinformed about the serious nature of the threat.
This is one point where we can agree to disagree. Or if you really have a hard-on for this point. Let's argue more. I believe strongly in individual rights but I believe that those rights are not absolute and when those individual rights endanger the rights of others there is a balancing that government needs to do..This is the worst rebuttal I have seen in a long time. If you were any time of man with any bit of character, you would have just apologized and would have been done with it, but you are really going to try and argue this and pick every little thing possible to try and argue. Check my earlier posts, I made a mistake and accused JustTK of views he didn't have and when he pointed it out to me, I did what's right and apologized. Its not that hard, but your probably a soft as cotton snowflake and you can't handle the stupid fact you might have made a mistake in an online anonymous forum. Haha, I can tell your just an asshole in real life too from the type of things you choose to criticize others about. You are really taking the time to tell me we are not "friends", News flash buddy, I am guy on a forum and we have never met! Haha why on Earth would you ever assume I think we are actual friends. Let me help you bro, its called using a "figure of speech", but you are an asshole and you can't just have a friendly debate.
Hahaha you also really tried to bring up the fact that I considered the essay by Kingsnorth a "short" reading, like you really took the time out of your day to let everyone know I should not consider that a short reading. LOL dude that's funny and sad on your part. I am sorry, your trying to have a mature discussion on a serious topic and your trying to point out the reading took longer than 2 minutes to read so I should not refer to it as a short reading. I am sorry, it took me maybe a few minutes to read, to me that's short, but to each their own I guess.
So I did say "no one is trying to say vaccines are useless". I was referring to the essay by Kingsnorth and my own opinion. Again, why are you bringing other people into "my post". I never said anything about anyone else on this forum, so why would you bring "their" views into my "post". I chose my wording perfectly! Nether me or Kingsnorth ever said vaccines are useless, so therefore according to my post no one said vaccines are useless. Why is that so hard to understand?
Look the unproven vaccine thing is tricky, but in my opinion, the vaccines are unproven. They could have long term side effects that don't manifest until years later. Those types of things happen all the time, one example off the top of my head is agent orange from Vietnam or the Dupont Company poisoning Pennsylvanias water supply with waste chemicals which ended up giving people cancer. I am not exactly sure about those details, but you get my point. There is a possibility some people may be allergic to the vaccine. There is still many unknowns, and that is my reasoning for labeling them unproven. That's why outside of Global Pandemics, it takes multiple years to approve these vaccines. Yes I understand the government has told us that the same safety protocols were followed and just sped up the approval process and the vaccines are 100% safe, but anyone who has ever studied history knows that governments have told lies before on a nation scale and this wouldn't be the first time. And I am not trying to scare anyone away from taking the vaccine, but I don't think its a smart idea to just blindly take it and not be cognizant of the possible dangers, no matter how small they may be. But honestly, who gives a fuck if I even say they are unproven or they are proven, it is a stupid fucking thing for you to even try and argue at this point.
You make yourself look very foolish with this statement, "I had excessive expectations". Whoa buddy, just stop writing because you make yourself look bad haha. Every fucking Health Professional on the national fucking media circuit from Fauci to the Surgeon General to the CDC lady told us the vaccines were 95-90% effective and they would achieve heard immunity, so yes I expect a vaccine close to 90% effective and I expect heard immunity or something close to it. Why is that having excessive expectations? It is not, so just admit you are wrong!
Why are you calling me a hyopcrit because I said people should have the right to choose for themselves if they want the vaccine, I am just saying I don't think it should be mandatory outside Public Sector Employment. So because I hold that view, if I get the vaccine I am hypocrite LOL? I am personally healthy and I trust the vaccines, but I think a terminally ill cancer patient with a very weak immune system should be able to choose for themselves if they want to get the vaccine or not? This does not make me a hypocrite and again, you. Are. Wrong! Hahahaha.
And for the record, I realize you are just a troll who goes around and argues stupid shit for no reason just because your life sucks. Thats the only conclusion I can come to for why you are still trying to argue suchhhhhhhhh TRIVIAL little things like what I consider a "short" reading or long reading, or pointing out your too good to be my online "friend" hahahahaha, but for anyone else who wants to in the future have a civilized debate I am going to reply to your be. S. To show people what you are really about.
Now if you want to be a grown up on this forum, you can always apologize for putting false words in my mouth and arguing about meaningless trivial things like a child and I will forgive you and we can move forward.
This is a poor argument to make on my part, but this is some of my reasoning for why I don't think the vaccine should be mandatory. Pandemics are forces of nature, its like trying to stop a hurricane, you can't, all you can do at some point is take the best measures possible and pray for the best. I think if we made all vaccines mandatory, the loss of freedom would not justify the security it is trying to promise. I think many people would still get infected and die because the vaccines are not as effective as they were promised. The loss of personal freedom would erode society to the point that it would do more damage than the few lives spared from mandatory vaccinations. And again it is a horrible thing to say, but these spared lives would be the lives of people who are going to pass away relatively soon anyway. I believe when your run is over, taking one for the team is a noble deed. I have no problem dying for the freedom which has contributed so much to western civilization and societies all around the world. And just look at any genocide from history if you don't think freedom is worth fighting / dying for.This was your comment not mine. I only agree with the first few words. "This is a poor argument to make on my part". Everything else that follows is yours and I find all of it laughably absurd.
Elvis 2008
12-13-21, 00:29
Media is saying boosters are 75% effective as stopping symptoms. I'll probably get it, Covid had me all fucked up for a week in August of 2020, I really don't feel like dealing with that again.Ram, one of the issues I have with the vaccine is that everyone just thinks so simplistically about things. The vaccine just "boosts your immune system" and that is supposed to be a good thing, but it is not always: an overactive immune system causes some of the most horrific diseases you will ever see like Lupus.
When you take a vaccine, it is like pulling the fire alarm. It is best to think about fighting off infections in war like terms. When you give a vaccine it is like telling the body, "we are going to war, get ready!" The real goal with the Covid vaccine is that you produce snipers, specialized antibodies, that work best against Covid, but that is not all that is done. When you take the vaccine, you also produce massive amounts of the military machine that are general fighters (tanks, planes ETC). And like at war time, the more defenses you deploy, the worse the friendly fire will be. In war time, studies have shown 20 to 50% of all causalities were due to friendly fire.
One of the things I learned lately is the Covid antibodies produced by the virus are different than those produced by the vaccine, and that difference can be detected. So again, the snipers are not as specialized as you think. So with the first few variants, the antibodies and vaccines worked really well. The vaccine produced antibodies that shot and killed things that were say midnight blue.
Then Delta comes along and it changes the color to say royal blue, and the effectiveness of the vaccine goes way down.
Now you have omicron and quite frankly it looks like the virus has now changed color to teal.
Yes, if you increase the number of snipers (and tanks and planes) that shoot at things that look blue, you are going to be more effective against the virus, even the teal variety, but you are also going to have more friendly fire. That means more and more things shooting and hitting virus but also destroying healthy tissue, and that can produce the immune system to go into even worse overdrive. What Covid and the vaccine both do is cause damage and activate the clotting cascade. "We got bleeding go on, clot, clot, clot!" That is great until the clots go where they are not supposed to (lungs, heart, brain).
Ideally then you may not need more but better guns, tanks, and snipers, and you kind of know who makes good and bad defense items. I knew who was going to have a hard time with the vaccines and who was not based on their histories with allergies and clean living helps with quality immunity.
The biggest issue I have with the "scientists" then is this: This is not a one size fits all solution. People's immune systems are different. When my second vaccine was due, I did not get it 4 weeks after the first one especially with the reactions I was seeing. I waited 6 months, and I am glad that I did. I did not have the horrific flu like symptoms that everyone else I knew did.
In my case, the first vaccine was purely for medical benefit. Most people I talked to reported arm pain the day after the shot, and that is exactly all I had. The first vaccine taught my body how to make anti-midnight blue antibodies. Now my body knows how to make them itself and can make more if it needs to.
The second vaccine was to increase the number of these antibodies. Well, given how everyone's immune system is different, where do you get off saying that you know what level my body needs better than my body? The second dose of the vaccine was 95% political. I got it because I wanted to travel and did not want to be hindered from working.
I have no interest in the third vaccine. If I got it, it would be 99% for political reasons, and I will hold off on getting as long as I can. I am not really worried about it for me given my immune system. The longer I hold off, the less likely I will have flu symptoms that knock me out for days. But for others, a 3rd shot can be devastating.
So here is the calculation. Third vaccination will almost definitively in my case lead to flu like symptoms. If I catch Omicron, there is a chance I go to the hospital but mostly it is so mild, I likely will only have flu like symptoms but I have the added bonus of having my body learning to make anti-teal antibodies.
Chances are we will see a light blue variant next and it will be even more contagious and less deadly, but this is a man made virus and all bets are off. What if the light blue version is more deadly and the people with teal antibodies have a huge benefit over those who were vaccinated and not sick?
What we have seen over and over again is no one knows what will happen six or even 12 months from now, and I am tired of people pretending like they do.
Since you are certain of your claims, please post a link to any double-blind, placebo controlled studies that back up your claim.No doubt you understand that is a ridiculous request.
No doubt you understand that is a ridiculous request.Here are your words (bolding is mine): "It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by research to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months."
If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.
So, basically, what you wrote is BS.
RamDavidson84
12-13-21, 03:34
This was your comment not mine. I only agree with the first few words. "This is a poor argument to make on my part". Everything else that follows is yours and I find all of it laughably absurd.I am assuming you agree with the Austrian Government then locking up 1/3 of their citizens in their homes because they are not vaccinated? You agree with the quarantine camps in Australia? Hmmmm, can't say I agree with those policies.
RamDavidson84
12-13-21, 03:41
Ram, one of the issues I have with the vaccine is that everyone just thinks so simplistically about things. The vaccine just "boosts your immune system" and that is supposed to be a good thing, but it is not always: an overactive immune system causes some of the most horrific diseases you will ever see like Lupus.
When you take a vaccine, it is like pulling the fire alarm. It is best to think about fighting off infections in war like terms. When you give a vaccine it is like telling the body, "we are going to war, get ready!" The real goal with the Covid vaccine is that you produce snipers, specialized antibodies, that work best against Covid, but that is not all that is done. When you take the vaccine, you also produce massive amounts of the military machine that are general fighters (tanks, planes ETC). And like at war time, the more defenses you deploy, the worse the friendly fire will be. In war time, studies have shown 20 to 50% of all causalities were due to friendly fire.
One of the things I learned lately is the Covid antibodies produced by the virus are different than those produced by the vaccine, and that difference can be detected. So again, the snipers are not as specialized as you think. So with the first few variants, the antibodies and vaccines worked really well. The vaccine produced antibodies that shot and killed things that were say midnight blue.
Then Delta comes along and it changes the color to say royal blue, and the effectiveness of the vaccine goes way down.
Now you have omicron and quite frankly it looks like the virus has now changed color to teal..You make some very good points. Just me personally, I had covid really bad, like it freaks me out a bit getting it a second time. I am going to take my chance with the booster and just hope it works and I don't get severe covid.
I went to the doctor yesterday for a regular checkup and one of the first things she asked was if I had gotten a covid vaccine. I told her no and she asked the reason why not. She said if you ever decide to get one then you can just go to the lobby and sign up. Then it was on to the next thing.
She did not tell me about how the hospitals were overcrowded because of people like me or how I was going to get sick and die (especially having asthma) or how I was going to infect everyone around me. She did not mention Sweeden or what happened to people in Timbuktu. She did not say how many people the Mayo Clinic study said are in ICU from covid in my age range. This is a lady that makes money off of me and she was totally unconcerned. Hell, she did not even have her mask over her nose.
It was the very opposite of a group of strangers that want to quote sources of how this world is doomed if I do not get a shot and are so concerned with my personal health that they stress themselves out wanting to beat some sense into me, jab me with a needle themselves, or wish for the incarceration or death of myself and others like me. Maybe my doctor got her license out of a cereal box and does not know better than all the "experts" in this room and others like it.Was that supposed to be some profound bit of wisdom? It wasn't.
She's a doctor. She doesn't get paid to get into debates with her patients. She has a professional obligation to give you medical advice. She doesn't get paid to convince you to follow that advice. She makes more money if you don't accept her advice.
Has your doctor ever suggested a change in your diet, or for you to get more exercise? Did she then spend 45 minutes going over all the health risks of obesity?
If you smoke, your doctor will probably suggest you quit smoking and offer access to resources to help. If you have high cholesterol or diabetes, your doctor will recommend dietary changes. There's a long list of things which might elicit a suggestion from your doctor, but almost never will any of those things cause a doctor to get into a debate with their patient.
Not only does the doctor not get paid trying to convince you to get vaccinated, it takes valuable time away from other patients. She asked, pointed you towards the resource and moved on. In other words, she did her job.
Haha, anybody else kinda freaked out by just the name Omicron? It is kinda ominous as far as naming a virus. You think who ever picked this name chose it to scare people into getting the booster shots?
I hope no one takes this post too serious, anybody know who actually is in charge of naming the variants?
Media is saying boosters are 75% effective as stopping symptoms. I'll probably get it, Covid had me all fucked up for a week in August of 2020, I really don't feel like dealing with that again.It's a letter in the Greek alphabet. That's how they are naming the variants.
Here are your words (bolding is mine): "It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by research to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months."
If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.
So, basically, what you wrote is BS.He does that quite often, and then runs and hides from anyone who points out his BS.
If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.
So, basically, what you wrote is BS.Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.
This is the worst rebuttal I have seen in a long time. If you were any time of man with any bit of character, you would have just apologized and would have been done with it, but you are really going to try and argue this and pick every little thing possible to try and argue. Check my earlier posts, I made a mistake and accused JustTK of views he didn't have and when he pointed it out to me, I did what's right and apologized. Its not that hard, but your probably a soft as cotton snowflake and you can't handle the stupid fact you might have made a mistake in an online anonymous forum. Haha, I can tell your just an asshole in real life too from the type of things you choose to criticize others about. You are really taking the time to tell me we are not "friends", News flash buddy, I am guy on a forum and we have never met! Haha why on Earth would you ever assume I think we are actual friends. Let me help you bro, its called using a "figure of speech", but you are an asshole and you can't just have a friendly debate.
Hahaha you also really tried to bring up the fact that I considered the essay by Kingsnorth a "short" reading, like you really took the time out of your day to let everyone know I should not consider that a short reading. LOL dude that's funny and sad on your part. I am sorry, your trying to have a mature discussion on a serious topic and your trying to point out the reading took longer than 2 minutes to read so I should not refer to it as a short reading. I am sorry, it took me maybe a few minutes to read, to me that's short, but to each their own I guess.
So I did say "no one is trying to say vaccines are useless". I was referring to the essay by Kingsnorth and my own opinion. Again, why are you bringing other people into "my post". I never said anything about anyone else on this forum, so why would you bring "their" views into my "post". I chose my wording perfectly! Nether me or Kingsnorth ever said vaccines are useless, so therefore according to my post no one said vaccines are useless. Why is that so hard to understand?
Look the unproven vaccine thing is tricky, but in my opinion, the vaccines are unproven. They could have long term side effects that don't manifest until years later. Those types of things happen all the time, one example off the top of my head is agent orange from Vietnam or the Dupont Company poisoning Pennsylvanias water supply with waste chemicals which ended up giving people cancer. I am not exactly sure about those details, but you get my point. There is a possibility some people may be allergic to the vaccine. There is still many unknowns, and that is my reasoning for labeling them unproven. That's why outside of Global Pandemics, it takes multiple years to approve these vaccines. Yes I understand the government has told us that the same safety protocols were followed and just sped up the approval process and the vaccines are 100% safe, but anyone who has ever studied history knows that governments have told lies before on a nation scale and this wouldn't be the first time. And I am not trying to scare anyone away from taking the vaccine, but I don't think its a smart idea to just blindly take it and not be cognizant of the possible dangers, no matter how small they may be. But honestly, who gives a fuck if I even say they are unproven or they are proven, it is a stupid fucking thing for you to even try and argue at this point..OK I apologize:
I apologize that you don't have the writing skills to say what you mean.
I apologize that you don't understand a simple very simple principle: If I quote you directly. I can't be putting words in your mouth.
I apologize that you can't accept any criticism without getting defensive and belligerent.
I apologize that you don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' (or you are) which goes a long way to describing the quality of your education (if any).
I apologize that you don't understand that the science of the 1970's (Agent Orange) has made tremendous strides through 2021.
I apologize that you don't understand hypocrisy. I apologize for using a 6th graders word with you, clearly that was an oversight.
Lastly. I apologize for being an asshole. But tomorrow morning when we all wake up. I'll still be an asshole and you'll still be stupid.
Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.So, when you used the term "research" you meant anecdotal BS. I get it now.
RamDavidson84
12-13-21, 21:52
OK I apologize:
I apologize that you don't have the writing skills to say what you mean.
I apologize that you don't understand a simple very simple principle: If I quote you directly. I can't be putting words in your mouth.
I apologize that you can't accept any criticism without getting defensive and belligerent.
I apologize that you don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' (or you are) which goes a long way to describing the quality of your education (if any).
I apologize that you don't understand that the science of the 1970's (Agent Orange) has made tremendous strides through 2021.
I apologize that you don't understand hypocrisy. I apologize for using a 6th graders word with you, clearly that was an oversight.
Lastly. I apologize for being an asshole. But tomorrow morning when we all wake up. I'll still be an asshole and you'll still be stupid.Haha, nice reply, I was way too defensive and belligerent, my bad.
Ram, I thought you might enjoy watching this. Short video on vax patent waivers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGSsMgqnWQc
ScatManDoo
12-13-21, 23:28
Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.Do you even know the difference between a single-blind study and a double-blind study is?
Or how many participants are needed or either?
Hahahaha.
Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.Let me translate that.
By "research" he means he read it somewhere, probably in a blog filled with the ramblings of someone whose background in science consists of passing a required class in highschool.
If he was referring to actual research he would have simply posted a link to the peer reviewed study which either supports his claims (unlikely), or which he can misrepresent and claim it supports his claims. Here's a quick example:
Let's assume there are studies which show people who eat a diet which meets or exceeds the recommended daily servings of fruits and vegetables, are less susceptible to common strains of influenza. Now to normal people who have integrity, that's easy to grasp. Eat a balanced diet and you will likely be healthier.
But when it goes through the JustTK filter it changes drastically. There's several paths it can take as the study gets twisted beyond recognition. Almost certainly, his interpretation will be that vegans are less susceptible to Covid.
Haha, nice reply, I was way too defensive and belligerent, my bad.OK, I was a little too aggressive in my retort. Let's just call it peace.
Elvis 2008
12-14-21, 01:59
Here are your words (bolding is mine): "It doesn't protect you from viruses" - a vegetarian diet was shown by research to be 67% more effective against bad COVID outcomes than a meat and mammary pus diet. It is thought that a vegan diet would be even better. So really, it gives similar efficacy as the vax. Except veganism offers lifetime protection, not just 4 months."
If it was true research, somebody would have run a double-blind, placebo controlled study. If it was BS, they wouldn't have.
So, basically, what you wrote is BS.Actually, his number is low. Researchers have revealed a link between diet and COVID-19 which showed plant-based eaters were 73% less likely to come down with the virus compared to those who include animals in their diet. Meanwhile, pescatarians, whose primary protein source is fish, were at a 59% lower risk.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/08/vegans-are-less-likely-to-get-severe-covid-study-says/
Now who is full of BS?
Do you even know the difference between a single-blind study and a double-blind study is?Yes, but why would I need to? We are discussing a double-blind study, not a single-blind study.
So, when you used the term "research" you meant anecdotal BS. I get it now.No, not anecdotal at all. You should stop using words that you do not understand. It does not reflect well upon you.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/plant-diet-covid-19/
https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/18/bmjnph-2021-000272
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34489306/
3 articles on 2 different studies. Not cherrypicking. I have seen no research that shows diet is NOt important.
ScatManDoo
12-14-21, 04:12
Yes, but why would I need to? We are discussing a double-blind study, not a single-blind study.Because you earlier said this:
Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.You need to be aware it is estimated the world has over 75 million vegans.
Finding 100 of them to participate in a study hardly seems impossible.
PedroMorales
12-14-21, 10:02
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. St Paul's Epistle to the Romans.
St Paul knew vegans were weaklings but did not labour the point. St Paul also knew Big Macs made big problems. St Paul was ok.
I am actually changing my (very healthy) diet to take account of the fact the lunatics have taken over our asylum. More dried foods: rice, flour, oats, honey, tinned stuff, legumes, honey etc. Word to the wise: ethnic shops are the way to go with a lot of this stuff.
Here are the Waffen SS arresting Santa ffs https://twitter.com/i/status/1470519740187779090.
[quote]No, not anecdotal at all. You should stop using words that you do not understand. It does not reflect well upon you.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/plant-diet-covid-19/
https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/early/2021/05/18/bmjnph-2021-000272
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34489306/
3 articles on 2 different studies. Not cherrypicking. I have seen no research that shows diet is NOt important. [quote]Here are excerpts, in order, from the sources you finally provided:
1. "A plant-based diet may lower severity of COVID-19 infection by 73 per cent".
2. "These dietary patterns may be considered for protection against severe COVID-19."
3. "A diet characterized by healthy plant-based foods was associated with lower risk and severity of COVID-19. This association may be particularly evident among individuals living in areas with higher socioeconomic deprivation."
Evidently, may is a word you don't understand.
Actually, his number is low. Researchers have revealed a link between diet and COVID-19 which showed plant-based eaters were 73% less likely to come down with the virus compared to those who include animals in their diet. Meanwhile, pescatarians, whose primary protein source is fish, were at a 59% lower risk.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/08/vegans-are-less-likely-to-get-severe-covid-study-says/
Now who is full of BS?As usual if anyone if full of BS it would be you. Your quote from the New York Post is just a rehash in part of the articles that JustTK posted. But more importantly, did you even read it?
This was attached to the study results.
Plant-based and / or fish (pescatarian) diets may help lower the odds of developing moderate to severe COVID-19 infection, suggest the findings of a six-country study, published in the online journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health.
They were associated with 73% and 59% lower odds, respectively, of severe disease, the findings indicate.
Several studies have suggested that diet might have an important role in symptom severity and illness duration of COVID-19 infection. But, as yet, there's little evidence to confirm or refute this theory..
To explore this further, the researchers drew on the survey responses of 2884 frontline doctors and nurses with extensive exposure to SARS-CO-v2, the virus responsible for COVID-19 infection, working in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, the UK and the US.
The participants were all part of a global network of healthcare professionals registered with the Survey Healthcare Globus network for healthcare market research. The researchers used this network to identify clinicians at high risk of COVID-19 infection as a result of their jobs.
The online survey, which ran between July and September 2020, was designed to elicit detailed information about respondents' dietary patterns, based on a 47-item food frequency questionnaire, over the previous year, and the severity of any COVID-19 infections they had had, using objective criteria.
The survey also gathered information on personal background, medical history, medication use, and lifestyle.
The various diets were combined into plant-based (higher in vegetables, legumes, and nuts, and lower in poultry and red and processed meats); pescatarian / plant-based (as above, but with added fish / seafood); and low carb-high protein diets.
Some 568 respondents (cases) said they had had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 infection or no symptoms but a positive swab test for the infection; 2316 said they hadn't had any symptoms / tested positive (comparison group).
Among the 568 cases, 138 clinicians said they had had moderate to severe COVID-19 infection; the remaining 430 said they had had very mild to mild COVID-19 infection.
After factoring in several potentially influential variables, including age, ethnicity, medical specialty, and lifestyle (smoking, physical activity), respondents who said they ate plant-based diets' or plant-based / pescatarian diets had, respectively, 73% and 59% lower odds of moderate to severe COVID-19 infection, compared with those who didn't have these dietary patterns.
And compared with those who said they ate a plant-based diet, those who said they ate a low carb-high protein diet had nearly 4 times the odds of moderate to severe COVID-19 infection.
These associations held true when weight (BMI) and co-existing medical conditions were also factored in.
But no association was observed between any type of diet and the risk of contracting COVID-19 infection or length of the subsequent illness.
This is an observational study, and so can't establish cause, only correlation. It also relied on individual recall rather than on objective assessments, and the definition of certain dietary patterns may vary by country, point out the researchers.
Men outnumbered women in the study, so the findings may not be applicable to women, they add.
But plant-based diets are rich in nutrients, especially phytochemicals (polyphenols, carotenoids), vitamins and minerals, all of which are important for a healthy immune system, say the researchers.
And fish is an important source of vitamin the and omega-3 fatty acids, both of which have anti-inflammatory properties, they add.
"Our results suggest that a healthy diet rich in nutrient dense foods may be considered for protection against severe COVID-19," they conclude.
"The trends in this study are limited by study size (small numbers with a confirmed positive test) and design (self-reporting on diet and symptoms) so caution is needed in the interpretation of the findings," comments Deputy Chair of the NNEdPro Nutrition and COVID-19 Taskforce, Shane McAuliffe.
"However, a high quality diet is important for mounting an adequate immune response, which in turn can influence susceptibility to infection and its severity."
He adds: "This study highlights the need for better designed prospective studies on the association between diet, nutritional status and COVID-19 outcomes."
SO Elvis, this study suggested plant-based eaters had a less severe CoVid response compared to people eating an standard animal based protein diet. It did not speak to the comparative risk of infection in the first place. It would really be nice if you actually read the source material you quote before shooting your mouth off.
You need to be aware it is estimated the world has over 75 million vegans.
Finding 100 of them to participate in a study hardly seems impossible.Now you are just talking nonsense instead of accepting that your challenge was ridiculous. What good would a study of 100 vegans be (assuming you could find them? We are talking about a virus with a very small death rate. You would need 1. 000's, if not 10.000's or 100.000's to find statistical variances that give enough confidence.
Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters... the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does ... St Paul's Epistle to the Romans..If you take your morality from a bunch of prehistoric sheep herders.
But I DO judge people who eat everything. For me, it's no different to judging those people that do not respect the lives of other humans. There is no material difference to me. We are just shaved apes, so why abuse apes, monkeys, or any other sentient being? We do not have that moral right. Not unless you are a prehistoric sheep herder. IMO.
Evidently, may is a word you don't understand.Its a word that researchers use when they don't want to put their cock on the block.
OK I apologize:
I apologize that you don't have the writing skills to say what you mean.
I apologize that you don't understand a simple very simple principle: If I quote you directly. I can't be putting words in your mouth.
I apologize that you can't accept any criticism without getting defensive and belligerent.
I apologize that you don't know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' (or you are) which goes a long way to describing the quality of your education (if any).
I apologize that you don't understand that the science of the 1970's (Agent Orange) has made tremendous strides through 2021.
I apologize that you don't understand hypocrisy. I apologize for using a 6th graders word with you, clearly that was an oversight..You're not only an asshole, you're a stupid liar as well.
Elvis 2008
12-14-21, 20:54
SO Elvis, this study suggested plant-based eaters had a less severe CoVid response compared to people eating an standard animal based protein diet. It did not speak to the comparative risk of infection in the first place. It would really be nice if you actually read the source material you quote before shooting your mouth off.LOL. So now you have gone from saying there is no evidence to not enough evidence. JustTK is right again in that doing a double blind study, something you say someone would do, would have to be huge to show benefit and be massively costly.
Furthermore given how Covid is changing like every 6 months, what was true today would not be true tomorrow. Veganism may have helped versus the first strains but be worthless against the next one.
And I do not have a dog in this fight outside of saying you were full of BS like usual.
Now you are just talking nonsense instead of accepting that your challenge was ridiculous. What good would a study of 100 vegans be (assuming you could find them? We are talking about a virus with a very small death rate. You would need 1. 000's, if not 10.000's or 100.000's to find statistical variances that give enough confidence.Ironic, isn't it? You're saying for a study to be acceptable it would need tens or hundreds of thousands of vegan participants, but you have placed your faith in a study of less than 600 positive Covid tests. Even if 5% of the respondents were vegan, that means you're looking at about 25 people.
You should stop posting about things which you don't understand. It reflects badly on you.
If you take your morality from a bunch of prehistoric sheep herders.
But I DO judge people who eat everything. For me, it's no different to judging those people that do not respect the lives of other humans. There is no material difference to me. We are just shaved apes, so why abuse apes, monkeys, or any other sentient being? We do not have that moral right. Not unless you are a prehistoric sheep herder. IMO.You're just a regular fountain of irony today aren't you?
You judge people who eat meat the same as you judge murderers, because they are taking advantage of animals, yet you take advantage of the economically disadvantaged in order to get cheap pussy.
For most of the people here that doesn't matter, because most of us aren't claiming moral superiority. However, if you're going to judge everyone else, expect to be judged.
RamDavidson84
12-14-21, 21:51
OK, I was a little too aggressive in my retort. Let's just call it peace.I was never at war to even call a peace, just bull shitting around. I am curious to know if you agree with the Austrian lockdowns and the Australian quarantine camps?
LOL. So now you have gone from saying there is no evidence to not enough evidence. JustTK is right again in that doing a double blind study, something you say someone would do, would have to be huge to show benefit and be massively costly.
Furthermore given how Covid is changing like every 6 months, what was true today would not be true tomorrow. Veganism may have helped versus the first strains but be worthless against the next one.
And I do not have a dog in this fight outside of saying you were full of BS like usual.I didn't make any comments on the results of the voluntary survey. But it certainly isn't anything that anyone would call "scientific".
My comment was that, as usual, you didn't even read the article that you quoted. Perhaps reading isn't a skill you've mastered yet? The article and the commentary make clear that there is nothing evident about the study with respect to whether a person is more or less likely to acquire CoVid. The hypothesis which requires a more scientific study is whether or not a vegan diet ameliorates the deleterious effects for those that do acquire the virus.
Read first, think second, Blather third.
ScatManDoo
12-15-21, 00:18
Now you are just talking nonsense instead of accepting that your challenge was ridiculous. What good would a study of 100 vegans be (assuming you could find them? We are talking about a virus with a very small death rate. You would need 1. 000's, if not 10.000's or 100.000's to find statistical variances that give enough confidence.Your lack of statistics knowledge is laughable.
You think 75 million vegans is not a large enough group from hich to select a group to study from.
Hahahaha.
Its a word that researchers use when they don't want to put their cock on the block.No. It's a word researchers use when the results are not conclusive.
Just Incognito
12-15-21, 01:26
You're just a regular fountain of irony today aren't you?
You judge people who eat meat the same as you judge murderers, because they are taking advantage of animals, yet you take advantage of the economically disadvantaged in order to get cheap pussy.
For most of the people here that doesn't matter, because most of us aren't claiming moral superiority. However, if you're going to judge everyone else, expect to be judged.I am a vagitarian. I eat pussy. No other meat / animals. Barely any dairy. I don't think your analogy really holds up but I do agree none of us need to judge each other for our life choices or claim moral superiority over each other.
Unless you a re trump supporter-then you have no morals to claim any superiority with LOL.
Your lack of statistics knowledge is laughable.
You think 75 million vegans is not a large enough group from hich to select a group to study from.
Thinking you can get them to murder animals for the sake of an experiment is laughable.
I am a vagitarian. I eat pussy. No other meat / animals. Barely any dairy. I don't think your analogy really holds up but I do agree none of us need to judge each other for our life choices or claim moral superiority over each other..Me too. But then that's between consenting beings. Usually, although I must confess to taking an occasional niblble of a sleeping beauty. Hehe.
Not judging. If we are honest no one can say that they do not judge. We do it every hour of every day. Lets be honest about it.
And claiming moral superiority. I think there is a place for that. Lets take an example. There are 2 men, equal in every way, except one just happens to murder innocent beings for his own pleasure. Can't we agree that the other person is morally superior?
Me too. But then that's between consenting beings. Usually, although I must confess to taking an ocassional niblble of a sleeping beauty. Hehe.
Not judging. If we are honest no one can say that they do not judge. We do it every hour of every day. Lets be honest about it.
And claiming moral superiority. I think there is a place for that. Lets take an example. There are 2 men, equal in every way, except one just happens to murder innocent beings for his own pleasure. Can't we agree that the other person is morally superior?No. Not when the "morally superior" person murders innocent beings by proxy.
Unless you're living in a cave, using only tools you made, eating only food you've grown, you have agreed that the murder of innocent beings, as you put it, is perfectly acceptable. Every single aspect of your life depends upon placing human comfort over animal life.
Every time you board a plane or get in a car, you're saying "fuck the animals." Every time you turn on a light or connect to the internet, you're declaring you don't give a shit about animal life. Every time you eat anything you didn't grow yourself, you're indifferent to the animals that died just for you.
That's ignoring the biggest issue, if all of us morally inferior people join you on your pedestal. What happens to the billions of animals which are in the food chain? Most can't survive on their own and you can't expect someone to pay to keep them. So what's the solution? I asked you before and you ran away. I'm certain you'll run away again.
For the record I'm supportive of anyone's dietary choices. When I cook for others I provide options which are acceptable to everyone.
I'm just not accepting of anyone who takes advantage of all the conveniences and luxuries of modern life and then claims superiority because they don't eat any of the flesh of the animals that have to die every day for them.
I am a vagitarian. I eat pussy. No other meat / animals. Barely any dairy. I don't think your analogy really holds up but I do agree none of us need to judge each other for our life choices or claim moral superiority over each other.
Unless you a re trump supporter-then you have no morals to claim any superiority with LOL.I agree with all of the above except when someone has claimed moral superiority, which you stTK has done more than once.
The cold, hard truth is that none of the women we enjoy would be offering up what's in their pants if they didn't need what's in our wallets. That's the reality of life. The lion eats the slowest gazelle.
However, when someone claims they're morally superior, because they don't eat meat, but they deliberately seek out the most economically disadvantaged women in third world countries, in order to pay the lowest possible price for pussy, then that claim of moral superiority is bullshit.
Mr Enternational
12-15-21, 17:28
yet you take advantage of the economically disadvantaged in order to get cheap pussy.Seems you would have to ask the "economically disadvantaged" if they are being taken advantage of. They may actually see it as their lucky day or a blessing and not as them being taken advantage of. That is like the western do-gooders that want to close sweat shops. Better the people have no job at all than to get paid what is normal or maybe even above average for that type of job in that particular place because it does not meet the do-gooder's country's standards.
The cold, hard truth is that none of the women we enjoy would be offering up what's in their pants if they didn't need what's in our wallets. That's the reality of life.And who among us would be offering up our services if we did not need what is in our bosses' or clients' wallets? The reality of life is that people work for money regardless of what type of work it is.
but they deliberately seek out the most economically disadvantaged women in third world countries, in order to pay the lowest possible price for pussyAt which price point does it turn from him taking advantage to him being taken advantage of? At which price point is it even steven where no party is taking advantage of the other? Is an advantage a robbery when all parties agree to it?
Seems you would have to ask the "economically disadvantaged" if they are being taken advantage of. They may actually see it as their lucky day or a blessing and not as them being taken advantage of. That is like the western do-gooders that want to close sweat shops.
And who among us would be offering up our services if we did not need what is in our bosses' or clients' wallets? The reality of life is that people work for money regardless of what type of work it is.
At which price point does it turn from him taking advantage to him being taken advantage of? At which price point is it even steven where no party is taking advantage of the other? Is an advantage a robbery when all parties agree to it?Agree with all your points apart from one Mr E. Of course there are degrees of exploitation. The exploitation that vegans generally use is the type that causes suffering on one party. It does not include inherent exploitation that takes place between 2 consenting adults that live in a capitalist world, where all forms of transaction could be regarded as some form or degree of exploitation. I certainly do not regard my purchase of sexual services from a consenting adult to be exploitation. I have heard feminists argue the case but I do not agree with them. I do not hold the act of sex in such high esteem that it is almost some sort of holy-enshrined act. It is just a fuck. Big deal. No exploiation.
Taking advantage of cheaper markets? Do Japanese exploit the rest of the world in this manner, Do Swedes, Norwegians, Danes? There are expensive places to live, and cheap places to live. I am from a developing country and Colombiia is no cheaper than my home anyway.
The only thing I disagree with you is on uh-hum, the sweter shops Mr E. Sry, but I am one of those do-gooders. These places exist bcos of a corrupt political system where rules of developing countries profit individually by allowing rish companies in to their countries under exploitative contracts to extract profit from the developing countries, at the expense of the poor people. No rights, no protection, no unions. You could argue that, well, smthg is better than nothing. But having a decent job and not being exploited by the rich and powerful from both countries would be even better! And that IS an option, if they wer ruled by non-corrupt leaders. But that is not possible, bcos the USA would start a war against them if they did that.
https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-sweatshops
And finally, about judging. I say again, we all judge one another every hour of every day. I know that JB, PIQ97, and Criminal have all judged me. Equally I judge them. If you do not accept that, then you are being dishonest.
Your lack of statistics knowledge is laughable.
You think 75 million vegans is not a large enough group from hich to select a group to study from.
Its nothing to do with statistics. Its about morality. You would be asking people who are ethically bound not to participate, to participate. And for what beneifit? To conduct some statistical research.
You would be asking vegans to be willing to become animal abusers for sake of statistics. That's not likely. And don't forget, both groups would need to be willing to do it. And then there is the question of time. How long would a vegan need to consume meat and diary for before they lose the benefit of the diet they had been following? And vice versa too?
You might think you could do it with plant-based people. But even they. They are usually plant based for the environment. So again, asking them to sacrifice their morals and destroy the environment for the sake of a study. Or thy do it for health. Ask them to sacrifice their health. Maybe their lives for the sake of a study. Totally ridiculous idea.
It really is a totally stupid hyperthetical study that would never achieve anything.
ScatManDoo
12-15-21, 19:17
Its nothing to do with statistics. Its about morality. You would be asking people who are ethically bound not to participate, to participate. And for what beneifit? To conduct some statistical research.
You would be asking vegans to be willing to become animal abusers for sake of statistics. Thats not likely. And don't forget, both groups would need to be willing to do it. And then there is the question of time. How long would a vegan need to consume meat and diary for before they lose the benefit of the diet they had been following? And vice versa too?
You might think you could do it with plant-based people. But even they. They are usually plant based for the environment. So again, asking them to sacrifice their morals and destroy the environment for the sake of a study. Or thy do it for health. Ask them to sacrifice their health. Maybe their lives for the sake of a study. Totally ridiculous idea.
It really is a totally stupid hyperthetical study that would never achieve anything.You are so stupid.
In a double blind study the researchers would not know if each subject was vegan or not.
Plenty of vegan and non-vegan subjects in the world makes you prior quote insanely stupid:
Absolute nonsense. Do you even know what a double-blind study is? How many vegans do you know who would participate in such a study? What you are asking for is impossible. I said there is "research". The type of research, you simply made up.
It would not be necessary for vegans to eat meat to have an effective study. Take a statistically significant sample of vegans, then a similar sample from non-vegans from the same general population. Follow them going forward, testing them regularly. Then see what % of vegans test positive vs. Non-vegans, and is that difference statistically significant, and at what level of confidence. Then follow the vegans who test positive and the non-vegans and see what % from each group gets hospitalized. Then follow the hospitalized groups and see which % of vegans vs. Non-vegans dies. And so forth. It's essentially the same procedure you would do with studying vaxxed vs. Non-vaxxed, or vaxxed with Moderna vs. Vaxxed with Sputnik.
Oh, and if makes me a morally unsound person, sometimes I use honey if I can't find agave syrup. Of course, afterwards I do a two week cleansing with seaweed and linseeds, plus high colonics and of course a thorough regimen of Vitamin See, Vitamin Dee, zinc, ivermectin, and bleach injections.
I certainly do not regard my purchase of sexual services from a consenting adult to be exploitation. I have heard feminists argue the case but I do not agree with them. I do not hold the act of sex in such high esteem that it is almost some sort of holy-enshrined act. It is just a fuck. Big deal. No exploiation.
If I did think that paying for sex were immoral, I wouldn't be doing it.
To think that something is immoral yet go ahead and do it anyway! How disgusting is that ideology? In their world, they are not better than paedophiles.
Seems you would have to ask the "economically disadvantaged" if they are being taken advantage of. They may actually see it as their lucky day or a blessing and not as them being taken advantage of. That is like the western do-gooders that want to close sweat shops. Better the people have no job at all than to get paid what is normal or maybe even above average for that type of job in that particular place because it does not meet the do-gooder's country's standards.
And who among us would be offering up our services if we did not need what is in our bosses' or clients' wallets? The reality of life is that people work for money regardless of what type of work it is.
At which price point does it turn from him taking advantage to him being taken advantage of? At which price point is it even steven where no party is taking advantage of the other? Is an advantage a robbery when all parties agree to it?Back again for a spanking I see. I suspected you were a masochist.
Let's begin with your inability to grasp context. If you were able to grasp context, you would have noticed I was talking about a very specific situation, JustTK's claim of moral superiority. If it was anyone else, I'd be shocked they didn't grasp the context, because I specifically stated, quite clearly, that the discussion only applies to someone claiming moral superiority. However, your density is such that you're likely to collapse and form a black hole.
If anything you said was strictly limited to providing a means of income then it would make sense, in your case, that would be worth a trophy. But it doesn't work that way. The sweatshops don't provide safe and healthy work environments.
One of the big reasons to offshore jobs is to avoid health and safety regulations. Not only is the labor cost less, but governments are often willing to ignore safety rules if the right palms are greased. The Dhaka collapse which killed 1,100 comes to mind. Or there was Bhopal.
Now if you're talking about sweatshops that provide reasonable pay (for the area) and provide a safe work environment, well you're not talking about sweatshops. At what point is the death of 1,100 (or as many as 16,000) acceptable because, before they died the people were making good money?
Who among us would not immediately be looking for a different job if their employer was deliberately putting their life and health at risk? That's one of those bullshit idiotic things you've become famous for. Most of us have a choice. I could have a new job in less time than it takes to tell my boss I'm quitting. However, and this is where your inability to grasp anything really shines, you just stated that people working in sweatshops don't have any other options. So you're trying to compare people who have no choice, other than extreme poverty, to people who have an overabundance of choices.
It's not a matter of price point, especially since, as I clearly stated, this only applies to anyone who is claiming moral superiority. It's worth noting, you've managed to surpass your normal level of stupidity with this bit:
"At which price point does it turn from him taking advantage to him being taken advantage of?
Truly this is an unprecedented level of idiocy. How could that ever apply? I know this is asking an enormous effort from you, but for just one second in your life, think. The women in question live in Colombia. They are not flying to the UK and asking him to pay them for sex. When he's in Colombia, they aren't searching for him to ask him to pay them for sex. They have no way to coerce him into paying them for sex. If he doesn't pay them for sex he's not going to go hungry. Whether or not he pays them for sex has no effect on his ability to get medical care. He's not at risk of becoming homeless if he doesn't pay them for sex.
Does that make it clear enough for you? There is no price point where the prostitute is taking advantage of the customer, because paying for sex is not a requirement to survive.
Looking at it from the other side, in almost every situation we are taking advantage of the local economic conditions. As I already said, which you completely missed, that's not a big deal. At least it's not a big deal until some clueless fucking twat starts declaring his moral superiority.
If you just have a need to be publicly humiliated, come out and say it. I know people who can help hook you up with someone who will put you in a gimp suit and March you around on the end of a leash. It would be much simpler than coming to me every time you want to look like a clown.
Its nothing to do with statistics. Its about morality. You would be asking people who are ethically bound not to participate, to participate. And for what beneifit? To conduct some statistical research.
You would be asking vegans to be willing to become animal abusers for sake of statistics. Thats not likely. And don't forget, both groups would need to be willing to do it. And then there is the question of time. How long would a vegan need to consume meat and diary for before they lose the benefit of the diet they had been following? And vice versa too?.This could well be the stupidest thing you've posted.
In order to study whether or not a vegan diet provides protection against Covid, or anything else, it doesn't require vegans to stop being vegans. Not only would that be a ridiculous study, but it would have to continue for years, to determine how long it takes on a vegan diet to achieve the (assumed) added protection and how long after leaving the vegan diet before the protection fades.
It's really quite simple, it's how they do studies all the time, on practically everything. Let's take the effects of smoking on cardiac health. Using your method, first we would have to get a bunch of non-smokers, monitor their cardiac health for a few years, then get them all to start smoking and monitor their cardiac health for years. Sounds pretty fucking silly, doesn't it?
Instead you look at a large number of patients with cardiac health issues. You determine what percentage are smokers and use that as the foundation for your study. If it's an even, or nearly even split, then it's probably not an area which needs further study. However, if 75% of the cases involved smokers, then further study is warranted.
That's exactly what the small scale study you posted did. They took a group of people who had been exposed to Covid. They determined the dietary regimen followed by each, found out how many had tested positive for Covid and how many had been severely ill. From there it's a simple math problem to determine what level of protection might exist depending on diet.
However, that's just a preliminary investigational study (really useful for getting funding for further study). It showed the possibility that a vegetarian or pescatarian diet might improve patient outcomes. To determine if there is a definite link, a larger, more in-depth study needs to be done.
That's where a double blind study comes into play.
It would not be necessary for vegans to eat meat to have an effective study. Take a statistically significant sample of vegans, then a similar sample from non-vegans from the same general population. Follow them going forward, testing them regularly. Then see what % of vegans test positive vs. Non-vegans, and is that difference statistically significant, and at what level of confidence. Then follow the vegans who test positive and the non-vegans and see what % from each group gets hospitalized. Then follow the hospitalized groups and see which % of vegans vs. Non-vegans dies. And so forth. It's essentially the same procedure you would do with studying vaxxed vs. Non-vaxxed, or vaxxed with Moderna vs. Vaxxed with Sputnik.
Oh, and if makes me a morally unsound person, sometimes I use honey if I can't find agave syrup. Of course, afterwards I do a two week cleansing with seaweed and linseeds, plus high colonics and of course a thorough regimen of Vitamin See, Vitamin Dee, zinc, ivermectin, and bleach injections.You forgot the UV light therapy.
BlackThought
12-16-21, 02:20
Hey is it true that anti-vaxxers can no longer get into Colombia? Lmao jajaja.
If I did think that paying for sex were inmoral, I wouldn't be doing it.
To think that something is immoral yet go ahead and do it anyway! How disgusting is that ideology? In their world, they are not better than paedophiles.Very few people do things which they think are immoral. That doesn't make them moral. It's just simple human rationalization at work.
Morality is determined by the wider community, not the individual. To determine if an act is moral all you need to do is ask your family, friends and neighbors.
That doesn't mean something the community considers immoral is right or wrong. Often the action is both moral and immoral, depending on the various communities you belong to.
For example, within the community of mongers there's nothing immoral about paying for sex. However, within the community of your high school reunion, it's probably immoral. Within the community of mongers, overpaying a prostitute is immoral, but within the community of prostitutes it's desirable behavior.
Morality is a tricky subject, because it's often used in a negative way. I'll use you as the example here.
You've claimed you're morally superior because you follow a vegan diet. Yet, rather than focusing upon the benefits of a vegan diet, you use it as an insult for anyone who disagrees with you. And as you've pointed out, being disrespectful and insulting is wrong.
Looking at the entire community of living creatures, there's nothing immoral about eating meat. From the bottom of the food chain to the top, digesting the flesh of other beings is the accepted norm. Even the plants take part in it, taking nutrients from the decay of other living things. Even the vegans take part in it. They just put on blinders and pretend that since the animal exploitation and death is indirect, they're okay with it.
I could have simplified all that by pointing out that if I do something, like eat meat, which I don't believe is immoral, then by your own words, it becomes moral. I could also point out that pedophiles don't consider their acts immoral, neither do rapists or murderers. However, since morality is another of the subjects you don't comprehend, I figured further discussion was necessary.
Very few people do things which they think are immoral. That doesn't make them moral. It's just simple human rationalization at work.
Morality is determined by the wider community, not the individual. To determine if an act is moral all you need to do is ask your family, friends and neighbors.
That doesn't mean something the community considers immoral is right or wrong. Often the action is both moral and immoral, depending on the various communities you belong to.
For example, within the community of mongers there's nothing immoral about paying for sex. However, within the community of your high school reunion, it's probably immoral. Within the community of mongers, overpaying a prostitute is immoral, but within the community of prostitutes it's desirable behavior.
Morality is a tricky subject, because it's often used in a negative way. I'll use you as the example here.
You've claimed you're morally superior because you follow a vegan diet. Yet, rather than focusing upon the benefits of a vegan diet, you use it as an insult for anyone who disagrees with you. And as you've pointed out, being disrespectful and insulting is wrong.
Looking at the entire community of living creatures, there's nothing immoral about eating meat. From the bottom of the food chain to the top, digesting the flesh of other beings is the accepted norm. Even the plants take part in it, taking nutrients from the decay of other living things..Blablabla, you're wrong.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/morality
When will you stop embarrassing yourself? You're way too stupid to try to lecture others.
ScatManDoo
12-16-21, 03:20
Hey is it true that anti-vaxxers can no longer get into Colombia? Lmao jajaja.Some cannot get into "cee or dee" rated restaurants.
Hahahaha.
You are so stupid.
In a double blind study the researchers would not know if each subject was vegan or not.
Plenty of vegan and non-vegan subjects in the world makes you prior quote insanely stupid:Of course they would have to choose vegans for the study you fkn moron. You are now banned along with the other 3 fkn morons here. Stupid byeond belief the lot of you.
ScatManDoo
12-16-21, 03:56
Of course they would have to choose vegans for the study you fkn moron. You are now banned along with the other 3 fkn morons here. Stupid beyond belief the lot of you.Don't forget to burn all the books.
Of course they would have to choose vegans for the study you fkn moron. You are now banned along with the other 3 fkn morons here. Stupid byeond belief the lot of you.So, you fucking moron, in a double blind study, the researchers are unaware of the subjects' status because the research subjects were selected independently. Independent selection of the subjects is one part of the "double" blind process, meaning random selection from a given target population. Survey the target population and determine it is X% vegan and why% not.
Set up sample pools of vegans and non vegans. Use a statistically appropriate randomized (single blind) sample size with a finite population correction factor from each of the two pools. Then the second part of the double blind process (get it? Second part? Double blind?) is that the people performing the research and analysis must not know whether the subjects are vegan or not.
It's like you want to set up a fucking moron contest but assure in advance you'll win. That's not a double blind test either but you have a good shot at winning.
You forgot the UV light therapy.I live in the tropics at 1600 meters of elevation and take huge risks by like walking around without sunscreen or a hat. I was thinking that would cover it. Plus I stand in front of the microwave while it's cooking, and I do have half a roll of tin foil if anything goes wrong.
108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?
Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.
ScatManDoo
12-16-21, 07:10
Of course they would have to choose vegans for the study you fkn moron. You are now banned along with the other 3 fkn morons here. Stupid byeond belief the lot of you.Again you display that you have no idea of the difference between single-blind and double-blind studies.
In a single blind study, none of the participants is told anything relevant about what they receive (like real or placebo drugs).
The participants are also not told much of anything about who the other participants are, or what they receive.
The double-blind studies have the exact same information voids for the participants (outlined above).
But additionally most of the researchers are not told key information about the participants (I. Vegan vs, non-vegan) on a need to know basis.
This prevents most researcher bias by having them lack the knowledge about participants that could bias them.
Only a few select research administrators know complete participant profiles in well managed studies.
Elvis 2008
12-16-21, 07:29
If I did think that paying for sex were inmoral, I wouldn't be doing it.
To think that something is immoral yet go ahead and do it anyway! How disgusting is that ideology? In their world, they are not better than paedophiles.JJ's comments were off the deep end, and I have to tell you as a meat eater I look at vegan as I would a Muslim looks at a Christian and vice versa. Of course, the Muslim and Christian think each of their religions are morally superior.
But when I have logically confronted people about the fallacies of religion, they ultimately say, "Okay it is not logical but I feel better when I go. " The irony is that people who are religious IMO and some studies have shown this to be true are healthier and happier. This is like the Santa Claus paradox if you logically and correctly accept Santa / God is not real, you do not get presents so why not believe in Santa / God as long as you can?
If I wanted to point out the flaws in veganism, I would say that by killing and eating a wild bear, I am actually saving the hundreds of other animals the bear would eat.
With regards to raising say pigs, I would point out that the pig I am raising and cared for got a chance at life before I ate it. Given the choice of a life ending in death and no life at all, I think all species would choose the former.
However, if you pinned me down, I would say that I just like eating meat and feel better when I do. There was a book called eat right for your blood type and it postulated that my blood type, O, did better with meat as we were the oldest blood type associated with hunting and gathering. The blood type A came about when man started to farm, and that type did better without or with less meat.
In addition, I am not a natural empath. I can turn it on if I need to, but it is not my default setting, so I can enjoy meat. However, I do get that empaths cannot do that. With them, they taste not just the meat but the flesh and cannot help but place them in the suffering an animal endured.
Elvis 2008
12-16-21, 07:42
108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? . Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?
Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.Yeah, Joe Rogan and the people he has on his show have been all over this. Quite frankly, the data on Ivermectin for covid prevention is like 100 X better than the vaccine (actually you could use infinity because the vaccine does not prevent disease).
Here is an article on it and if you scroll down, you will see the Joe Rogan video. The surprising part is that it is on Youtube and has not been banned.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/top-cardiologist-tells-joe-rogan-intentional-plot-suppress-early-covid-treatments
And then you have the insane story of the day: Twitter, which dubs itself the arbiter of medical misinformation through its constellation of conflicted 'fact-checkers,' will start imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19. Maybe JJBee started this one up?
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/twitter-punish-users-who-claim-vaccinated-individuals-can-still-spread-covid-19
Hey is it true that anti-vaxxers can no longer get into Colombia? Lmao jajaja.Soon. I'm working on making sure the Colombian Ministry of Health knows how to catch them with their fake vax cards.
Of course they would have to choose vegans for the study you fkn moron. You are now banned along with the other 3 fkn morons here. Stupid byeond belief the lot of you.There are many ways to react when someone points out your lack of understanding of a subject. One way is to examine the subject, learn and continue through life using your newfound knowledge.
Or you can choose the 5 year old reaction: stick your fingers in your ears, stick out your tongue and say "nyah, nyah, nyah, I can't hear you."
I guess you have to go with what you're good at.
108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? . Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?
Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.So are you saying the record deaths in South Korea are from vaccinated people?
108 doses per 100 people worldwide now. Spot the vaccine. Where is it? . Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?
Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now. Singapore, just passed its highest peak. S Korea now at record cases and deaths.Imagine going through life and at every point choosing dishonesty and stupidity. Or you can just observe specimen #1 here.
Let's go with the dishonesty first. The suppurating vagina known as JustTK stated he is not anti-vax, he's just anti-vivisection. Clearly a lie, as he has once again gone on an anti-vax rant.
Now for the stupidity. The malignant rectal polyp has cherry picked 3 countries but failed to examine the data. Let's start with South Korea. Early in the pandemic South Korea saw a surge in infections. They went all out in response and became the poster child for how to flatten the curve. And until fairly recently they maintained their response, with a great deal of success.
However, with their vaccination campaign proceeding well, they have loosened restrictions. Anyone smarter then an ingrown toenail recognizes that vaccination is only one piece of the Covid attenuation plan. When you abandon the other parts, there will be more infections. Add in new variants which are more contagious and the number of new cases will climb quickly.
Which brings us to 2 important numbers:
1. 75.6%- that's the percentage of South Korean Covid deaths which were unvaccinated as of November. With over 90% of adults vaccinated this clearly shows that the vaccines are highly effective at preventing death.
2. 0. 8%- That's the percentage of Covid cases in South Korea which were fatal. During the peak in March, 2020 that number was 2.4%. Part of that is due to better therapies of Covid cases, and part is due to added protection from the vaccine.
Next step on the "proof JustTK is an idiot" tour, Singapore. Singapore's story is about the same as South Korea's, an early spike followed by an all out response which flattened the curve and kept it flat for well over a year. Once restrictions were lifted, a surge of infections and deaths. It's worth noticing, if you're more observant than a genital wart, that Singapore has seen a recent sharp decline in new cases and deaths.
Something else worth noting is Singapore has declared that unvaccinated people are responsible for the cost of Covid treatment. Surely an intelligent person with integrity would have noticed that before choosing Singapore as an example of an ineffective vaccine.
If you prefer numbers, Singapore reports that 5.2 of every 100,000 unvaccinated people are critically ill or intubated in ICU from Covid. That's compared to 0.5 of every 100,000 fully vaccinated people.
Now let's hop on the dumbfuck express for a trip to Portugal. At first glance Portugal might be an example of vaccine ineffectiveness. However, at first glance a lot of trannies look like women, so it's best to take a closer look.
First thing I see is that the current surge is nowhere near the peak Portugal experienced in January. Next let's do some math. We need 4 numbers; new cases and deaths for January and for December. We'll use the 7 day average for January 25 and December 11.
New cases January 25 - 12,373.
Deaths January 25 - 242.
New cases December 11 - 3,915.
Deaths December 11 - 19.
We can assume that almost nobody was vaccinated on January 25, and most people were vaccinated by December 11. All we need to do is divide deaths by new cases and we know whether or not the vaccine does any good.
January 25 -0.01956, or about 2% of unvaccinated COVID cases died.
December 11 - 0.00485, or about 0. 5% of vaccinated Covid cases died. Of course that's assuming that none of the cases or deaths were unvaccinated, an assumption which data from around the world shows is invalid.
So what have we learned today? We've learned that JustTK is a clueless idiot who can't be trusted and we've learned that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing serious illness or death. Just to be clear, serious illness and death are the only reasons anyone cares about Covid.
Haha. . Obvious. Super effective vax in securing the people against the virus. You guys really are like flat earhers, or young earthers. What evidence do you need to see before you finally accept that you have been fed BS?
Portugal ... 88% fully vaxd... 3rd highest vax rate in the world... going thru a 3rd covid wave now..Bluster and insults are no substitute for substance. In fact when all you bring is bluster and insults it makes us all suspect that you have no argument.
Portugal? Given the season with increased indoor activities, at least a bit of a surge was expected, but that's all it is to date. As to cases it's considerably less than their January / February pre-vaccine surge. Most importantly the deaths scale has hardly moved, which points to the effectiveness of vaccines. Add this to the similar data profiles I recently demonstrated for France, Germany, Ireland, and we can add the UK, and looks like we have a pattern in this.
It takes merely ten minutes of research to see how full of shit you are, so why don't you give it up and go get laid? That's assuming you truly are in Colombia and not in your mum's basement in England. I more suspect the latter as you spend so much time here posting, whining about Covid and meat eaters and cowardly dissing the USA, and no one here has met you. If I were in Medellin hanging out in ISG Stupid Shit is the last thing I'd be doing.
Here's the data, deaths are so under control, as they typically are in Euro nations with high vaccination rates.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/portugal/
So are you saying the record deaths in South Korea are from vaccinated people?This is directed at everyone, not just you. Your question though afforded a good opportunity to analyze Korea.
First we are talking about a country that had done extremely well up until recently, largely due to the mask wearing, social distancing and other restrictions that many here in Stupid Shit object to and insist have no positive effects. They've recorded 1627 deaths over the last two months and it would be interesting to know how many had received shots. They do have a high vaccination rate and currently still maintain a low case-fatality rate of 0. 8%, very much on the lower end of the scale when compared to the rest of the world.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Waning immunity coupled with recent loosening of restrictions in a highly urbanized country where 50% of the population live in the capital all surely factor into the recent rise in deaths in South Korea. 80% of the cases were reported in Seoul. Most of the elderly started their shots back in February and March. Though cherry picking South Korea while ignoring the many Euro nations with high vaccination rates and stable death stats is disingenuous at best and betrays an agenda.
"The prime minister went on to urge the elderly to get booster shots, noting that people aged 60 and above accounted for 35 percent of infections and 84 percent of severe cases."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/8/record-covid-cases-in-s-korea-as-immunity-wanes-among-elderly
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/
Mr Enternational
12-16-21, 16:07
And then you have the insane story of the day: Twitter, which dubs itself the arbiter of medical misinformation through its constellation of conflicted 'fact-checkers,' will start imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19. Maybe JJBee started this one up?I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.
So, you fucking moron, in a double blind study, the researchers are unaware of the subjects' status because the research subjects were selected independently. Independent selection of the subjects is one part of the "double" blind process, meaning random selection from a given target population. Survey the target population and determine it is X% vegan and why% not.
Set up sample pools of vegans and non vegans. Use a statistically appropriate randomized (single blind) sample size with a finite population correction factor from each of the two pools. Then the second part of the double blind process (get it? Second part? Double blind?) is that the people performing the research and analysis must not know whether the subjects are vegan or not.
It's like you want to set up a fucking moron contest but assure in advance you'll win. That's not a double blind test either but you have a good shot at winning."random selection from a given target population".
No need to go deeper huacho. You confirmed it there. So you agree that they target vegans. They do it by CHOOSING vegans for the target population. You think anyone would set up a study on for example Muslims without first confirming that their population included Muslims? They wouldn't get very far in an analysis of cerebral palsy if there target group didn't have any sufferers. Of course they know they are vegans. But they would mix them up before they assign them to the different groups. So I stand very comfortably with my previous statement. You fkn moron.
If I wanted to point out the flaws in veganism, I would say that by killing and eating a wild bear, I am actually saving the hundreds of other animals the bear would eat.
There is a lot to say about your comments. The first being that you are not finding a flaw in veganism at all here. You are highlighting the main diffference between deontology and utilitarianism. It would be a long and no doubt interesting debate that perhaps we should have over a beer or six. Hehe. No doubt Jpaedo would have a definitive answer for us in 3 paragraphs, after all his mind is infinitely more powerful than all the great philosophers that have trod this earth over the centuries before us.
So are you saying the record deaths in South Korea are from vaccinated people?South Korea is an interestinf case isn't it? Never went in to lockdown yet has one of the lowest death rates among developed countries. Even now, its deaths are spiking but only from a very low historic basic level.
It's difficult to say with any certainty why deaths are spiking now bcos there are many potential contributory factors. Omicron and other variants, low natural immunity, changes to pandemic laws and attitudes. But some scientists in Korea blame it on the waning effectiveness of the vax. South Korea is amont the top 10 most vaxd countries.
So one thing is clear. The vax is NOT doing its job. One could counter that deaths would be even higher without the vax and no doubt that is true too. But they are not effective in preventing spread and eliminating the virus. Which was the initial objective of the virus. Now people are having the change their thinking and pretend the purpose of the vax is like a health booster shot. BUt then that line of thinking destroys the mandate movement bcos it can never achieve its objective.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/11/17/south-korea-covid-patients/
John Clayton
12-16-21, 18:46
...So one thing is clear. The vax is NOT doing its job...1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.
2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.
3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.
Mr Enternational
12-16-21, 18:59
You might cosnider it fine in your own personal situation, but coming from a developing country, you can not expect the same level of competence.
The world accepts card based evidence for all other vaxxes. I expect they will continue with this one, especially since the data will need to be updated every 6 months per person.Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared.
Same as the card that I received for my yellow fever vaccination, no country I enter is going out of the way to ensure the card is not fake. The only people that would be caught on this is those with shotty work like the chick that spelled the name of the vaccine wrong. Otherwise there is no way in telling that your card is authentic from actually getting the shot and another person's is not. Of course they have to publish stories like that and put fear in people as a deterrent.
Here is a picture from immigration in Brazil a couple of weeks ago. It took 2 and a half hours to get through. Now imagine if they had to call all over the world to verify a vaccination card of all these people from 300 different countries. That would take days and an amount of money that nobody is trying to spend on bullshit as such. For the foreseeable future people that are savvy enough to get around the "rules" will enjoy the same benefits as people that follow everything to the letter.
PedroMorales
12-16-21, 19:01
1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.
2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.
3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.You should give what passes for your brain to science when you are declared clinically dead. I know a PhD Maths genius who, aged 2, figured out there were minus numbers when he say negative temperatures displayed on the TV, You would show some people have negative IQs.
Yeh the trolls got to eat and when they get fed we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Some trolls have no useful life and use this forum to agitate and bait others to argue minute details.
Are they coked up on something? Can one be born a troll or is this learned behavior?
Many trolls seem bipolar, as in something is great one day then terrible the next. How do you get a troll to take his medication?
Then you got the troll followers that take every troll posting as gospel. "Troll sheep" That's a whole different can of dog food.
Trolls. Can't shoot 'them and can't kick 'them off a public sidewalk.
I prefer to ignore them and they eventually go back to trolling in forums from whence they came.
Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared. You're probably right. It is the fear of getting caught forging government documents that deters most people. It is a pretty serious crime in most places. I imagine if you got caught in Colombia entering illegally using fake documents you might be subject to some pretty serious down time. They really can't scrutinize you too fully yet but it will come I suppose- it will be a necessary part of staying open. I sure think someone is going to check your bona fides if you end up in the health care system with COVID. Anyway, lyin' slimeballs going to lie, what you going to do.
Apparently it's a felony in the USA to forge a vax card. I'm from California and they have a registry like most other states, so verification at least in Country is easy if actually required. Yet, it's a total joke for International travel without a worldwide verification system in place. No different than for the Yellow Fever shot issued by WHO.
It's just a matter of time until something is put in place. So for the time being, and I know guys that have done it, is they print up a vax card, insert the data required, and they are good to go at least for those from the USA.
A total joke for the time being.It is easy to fake a card or a printed up vax certificate. But the current ones we will be required to have are much harder to fake, since the QR can be scanned and if it does not correspond to the provincial database it is fake. That will work well within a province here, or perhaps in the country, but outside the country I doubt if anyone will have access to the provincial database to verify.
But, if countries agree perhaps an international version could be done.
1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.
2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.
3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.I find these really bizarre claims John.
1. You might be impressed by the vaxes, so in your opinion they are the best. I think a vax that wiped out a virus entirely (almost) such as the polio vax would get a higher rating than a vax that only lasts for 4 months.
2. I agree that a vax can only be effective if taken. BUt claiming that the virus would disappear if 100% wer vaxed is pure fantasy and propaganda. The virus was always going to be endemic. It has nothing tlo do with the "idiot minority". There are billions of people around the world that have no access to a vax. Are they part of the idiot minority? I beleive the idiots are the ones that think thought one could wipe out a virus like COVID, and the ones that decided to only give vaxes to people from tier 1 and tier 2 countries.
3. Agree with 3 entirely.
Elvis 2008
12-16-21, 20:52
1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.Sorry, John, that is just not true. https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/10-reasons-why-the-fda-approval-for-pfizer-jab-isnt-about-health-but-about-forcing-people-to-take-the-shot/.
It's a huge problem that Peter Doshi, a senior editor at the BMJ calls the "elephant named waning immunity. " he cited Israel's Ministry of Health from early July showing Pfizer's vaccine was just 65% effective, which late July had dwindled to just 39% where Delta is the dominant strain. Apparently the downward trend is continuing. Considering that the FDA's own expectation is of "at least 50%" efficacy for any approvable vaccine. In terms of the vaccine "working," the FDA has violated its own low standards to fast-track approval for this vaccine and they haven't told us why.
2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.The fact is, Pfizer's clinical trials don't end until May 2023. FDA-approval usually requires letting clinical trials run their course but granting an emergency use authorization (EUA) the sort of thing that allows doctors to try experimental drugs on a patient because he is dying anyway is a different game altogether. And Pfizer's EUA extends to 12-year-olds whose odds of dying from Covid are significantly less than getting hit by lightning.
Just today, As of Dec. 16,1,700 cases of TTS following administration of J&J's vaccine were reported to VAERS, according to an Epoch Times review of the database. There were also 1,429 reports of thrombosis and 265 reports of thrombocytopenia. Altogether, the conditions were said to have resulted in 89 deaths.
So you have an injection with questionable efficacy that is approved only for emergencies and has horrible side effects and the FDA is not going to release safety data on the vaccine for 75 years? The question is not why some Republicans are scared of the vaccine. It is: why aren't you Democrats?
3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.The elderly have been inoculated. 99% of those 64 to 75 have been inoculated and 97% over age 85. And you cannot do 100% inoculation because the virus has crossed species. Come on, man!
And 2017, Sanofi Pasteur was forced to yank its new Dengvaxia vaccine off the market after it killed several hundred children by making them experience a worse version of dengue fever than if they'the never been vaccinated at all. The Dengvaxia fiasco led to dozens of public health figures being indicted for "reckless imprudence resulting in homicide. " Do you think that can't happen again?
And if your side is so confident why the constant banning of things? Joe Rogan talks about the profits of vaccine companies, a doctor comes on and tells the truth that the vaccine is EUA, and says that the risk and benefit presented on all other treatments is being turned to the side with this vaccine. I can see why Pfizer wants this banned, but youtube? How much are they in Pfizer's pocket?
Furthermore, if you look at ivermectin versus the vaccine for prophylaxis, it is not even close. Ivermectin wins in a landslide. So why is no one talking about that or monoclonal antibodies? Joe Rogan does a series of treatments and gets better in a day and instead of figuring out why, people say they wish he died and that he took a "horse dewormer."
Is the goal of your party saving lives or making Pfizer its $36 billion?
That is a pretty good gig if you can get it. Taxpayers pay for the research, you have immunity from lawsuits, mandates that require your product, and you do not have to show safety data.
Here is a link to the latest Rogan video, the one youtube banned. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/youtube-censors-bombshell-joe-rogan-interview-cardiologist-peter-mccullough.
John Clayton
12-16-21, 22:29
I find these really bizarre claims John...
The original Salk / Sabin vaccines were about 60-70% effective against PV-1. The newer polio vaccines are more effective (maybe 90% effective against the later variants. Polio was eradicated by this comparatively ineffective vaccine, but mostly through heroic public health effort. Smallpox vaccine was highly effective, but had a relatively high rate of serious side effects.
One of the big problems with the continuing effectivity of SARS CoV-2 vaccines is the high mutation rate of the virus. The mutation rate of RNA viruses is much higher than DNA viruses. The mRNA vaccines have a much higher effectivity than earlier vaccines made with "dead" or attenuated viruses and which were in no way specifically targeted.
Another problem is transmission rate. Polio was transmitted by oral intake of infected human shit (why they closed swimmng pools).
Exactly. Imagine the resources it would take to verify somebody's vaccination. In my country it is just a piece of paper not even saying where the person received the vaccination. No airport, grocery store, disco, etc in their right mind is going to have workers dedicated to making phone calls verifying the vaccinations of thousands of people standing in line in front of them. And the company they call to verify it? They as well would not pay people to man phones to receive the calls to verify if John Smith got a vacination at that particular drug store on such and such date. And what about the pop up places that people received vaccinations? Those have disappeared.
Same as the card that I received for my yellow fever vaccination, no country I enter is going out of the way to ensure the card is not fake. The only people that would be caught on this is those with shotty work like the chick that spelled the name of the vaccine wrong. Otherwise there is no way in telling that your card is authentic from actually getting the shot and another person's is not. Of course they have to publish stories like that and put fear in people as a deterrent.
Here is a picture from immigration in Brazil a couple of weeks ago. It took 2 and a half hours to get through. Now imagine if they had to call all over the world to verify a vaccination card of all these people from 300 different countries. That would take days and an amount of money that nobody is trying to spend on bullshit as such. For the foreseeable future people that are savvy enough to get around the "rules" will enjoy the same benefits as people that follow everything to the letter.The problem with you, and many others, is that you're unable to see beyond the nose on your face. If you haven't had direct experience with something you claim it can't happen, or is impossible. Remember your claim that Colombian airport security would never check phones or tablets? Remember how that turned out? Another example from several months ago: I stated that dozens of girls in Medellin we're setting up online stores, selling all kinds of things. You disagreed. I felt no desire to educate you on the subject, but everyday my Facebook and Instagram feeds are loaded with girls selling clothes, shoes, lingerie, alcohol, sex toys, etc. Easily I have contact with over a dozen who have started up some type of domicilio resale business.
Or if anyone recalls Routard posting in the Bogota thread that working girls wouldn't put family pictures in their profiles. Anyone who uses Facebook knows better. Of course there are also all the times when you've stated you've never seen a robbery in Santa Fe or El Centro, as if it can't happen. Again, plenty of reports confirm that robberies do indeed happen. Plenty of examples are readily available of people not believing something can happen, or be done.
I'll even use myself as an example. A bit over 4 years ago, in response to scopolamine panic posts, I posted that it rarely happened and many cases were made up by men who blew too much money and then needed to explain it to their wife. I was wrong. I didn't consider that most victims would be embarrassed to report they had been a victim. Within just a few days several people informed me they had been drugged.
Back to the subject. About 15 years ago I worked for a job placement company. One of the many duties was running a full background check on every applicant: arrest records, driving records, employment history, the results usually took up about 3 pages. Manually entering the necessary information and sending it off took me less than 1 minute, results usually within 10 minutes. Although it's not used as much now, many retail businesses used TeleChek to verify personal checks used for purchases. The process took 10-15 seconds. Clearly verifying a vaccine card is something which can be quickly and easily done, all it requires is a tiny bit of knowledge and a tiny bit of imagination to recognize how.
The only question which remains is when someone will set up a system where a vaccine card can be scanned and verified almost immediately. The method is as easy as any credit card transaction and even more reliable.
So, when the day comes and you find your travel privileges have been suspended, don't come crying about how unfair it is.
I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me? Are you tired of being shown up as the pathetic, fat whiney pussy you are?
Where is your response to my reply to your "my doctor didn't lecture me about Covid" stupidity? What about a response to my rebuttal to your "prostitutes taking advantage of customers" garbage?
Stop being such a sad, bloated ****. If you have something to say about anything I've posted grow a set of testicles that are larger than the nuts on the gerbils in your ass and bring it to me.
I'll happily and easily show everyone just how fucking worthless your posts are. After all, I've already done it several times.
1) The mRNA vaccines are best and most cleverly designed in history. They are much better targeted and more effective than any of the successful vaccines in history, including measles, smallpox, HPV.
2) The vaccine only is effective if you take it. The only problem has been the anti vaccine propaganda and resistance driven by the know nothing party. If there were 100% vaccination rate, this disease would disappear. Unfortunately, the idiot minority has allowed it to become endemic.
3) There is false propaganda / ideology of individual responsibility, individual protection, and individual choice. Here's a better model of humanity: the earth is a culture plate covered with a thin biological film -- we are like bacteria. The idea that some part of the culture can be innoculated against an organism is false -- we have to innoculate the entire population. We can't leave pockets of the disease on the culture plate to survive and mutate.1. Tell that to those who took the vaccine got infected and died. The vaccine is deemed so effective that it's almost impossible to enter any country without a negative PCR-test. Mexico is one exception and they allow the unvaccinated to enter the country without a PCR-test as well.
2. Pure BS. Why is it so hard for you to understand and accept that the vaccine is highly flawed?
3. Have you heard of Ebola?
"random selection from a given target population".
No need to go deeper huacho. You confirmed it there. So you agree that they target vegans. They do it by CHOOSING vegans for the target population. You think anyone would set up a study on for example Muslims without first confirming that their population included Muslims? They wouldn't get very far in an analysis of cerebral palsy if there target group didn't have any sufferers. Of course they know they are vegans. But they would mix them up before they assign them to the different groups. So I stand very comfortably with my previous statement. You fkn moron.The hits just keep coming.
"Target population" doesn't mean they are targeting vegans. In this case it means they are selecting a random group of people. If they deliberately select vegans, or any other dietary classification, then the entire study is flawed.
After selecting, for example, 100,000 participants, data is collected from each. Depending upon the purpose of the study, each person is assigned to a particular group, actually several groups, age, sex, vaccination status, diet, pre-existing conditions are just a few.
The researchers then examine each participant who is identified solely by a number, with no other information available, and determine things like infection rate, incidence of serious illness, incidence of death, and more. Afterwards, the data is analyzed and the specific outcome for each group is calculated.
If the study is about the benefits of veganism (to offset the profound stupidity it appears to cause) and out of 100,000 no vegans are found, then they either increase the sample size, or determine there are insufficient idiots like you to warrant any further study.
The original Salk / Sabin vaccines were about 60-70% effective against PV-1. The newer polio vaccines are more effective (maybe 90% effective against the later variants.
One of the big problems with the continuing effectivity of SARS CoV-2 vaccines is the high mutation rate of the virus.I get that improved technology might have gone in to this vax creation, and the virus is a different beast to beaten viruses. But surely the best measure of a vax is its success in eliminating a virus or protecting the population from it. And by that measure, no way is the COVID vax the best.
John Clayton
12-17-21, 01:41
I get that improved technology might have gone in to this vax creation, and the virus is a different beast to beaten viruses. But surely the best measure of a vax is its success in eliminating a virus or protecting the population from it. And by that measure, no way is the COVID vax the best.It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.
I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.
ScatManDoo
12-17-21, 01:50
1. Tell that to those who took the vaccine got infected and died. The vaccine is deemed so effective that it's almost impossible to enter any country without a negative PCR-test. Mexico is one exception and they allow the unvaccinated to enter the country without a PCR-test as well.Mexico knows its tourist base.
Wealthy Americans with more money than sense.
North of the border we call them republicans.
They stupidly remain unvaccinated.
Mr Enternational
12-17-21, 02:31
The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me?Because I can't stand to read more than the first 2 lines of the drivel that you write. So I do not know what I would be responding to you about if it is not in those first 2 lines. The last time I posted about someone having covid twice after getting vaccinated you called bullshit. So I was just saving you some typing time so you would not have to question me again why someone would tell me the truth about them having covid. We already know nothing is true unless you personally approve it as being true.
I am pretty sure he did. Adding to the list 1 more vaccinated friend that has gotten covid versus 0 unvaccinated friends that have gotten covid. Let Jj tell it she is probably lying though. And if she really does have it, then she got it from an unvaccinated person.I forgot to thank you. I'm truly flattered that both you and Elvis consider me to be one of the most influential people in the world. Honestly, I never expected either of you to say I'm literally able to influence billions of people, from the comfort of my recliner. Thanks to both of you for assuming I'm today's version of E. F. Hutton.
However much power over media giants you believe I can exert, I'm not even very active on Twitter. Certainly I'm not setting policy.
It's also worth noting you're both without a clue. Someone able to outwit toast might have noticed Elvis's claro is bullshit. If you remove your head from your ass long enough to check, you might find that Twitter is continuing a policy which has been in place for months, restricting accounts which share false vaccination information. They also restrict accounts of people who engage in hate speech or promote violence.
Again, I already knew you spend much of your time dreaming of being publicly humiliated by me, but I never suspected you considered me one of the world's most powerful figures.
It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.
I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.That is simply incorrect, what you say have nothing to do with reality.
The coward's way is to go around attributing your lies about other people behind their back. Why not respond directly to me? Are you tired of being shown up as the pathetic, fat whiney pussy you are?
Where is your response to my reply to your "my doctor didn't lecture me about Covid" stupidity? What about a response to my rebuttal to your "prostitutes taking advantage of customers" garbage?
Stop being such a sad, bloated ****. If you have something to say about anything I've posted grow a set of testicles that are larger than the nuts on the gerbils in your ass and bring it to me.
I'll happily and easily show everyone just how fucking worthless your posts are. After all, I've already done it several times.LMFAO! Jjbee sure thinks highly of Jjbee, too bad he won't ever realize what a worthless little **** he is.
South Korea is an interestinf case isn't it? Never went in to lockdown yet has one of the lowest death rates among developed countries. Even now, its deaths are spiking but only from a very low historic basic level.
It's difficult to say with any certainty why deaths are spiking now bcos there are many potential contributory factors. Omicron and other variants, low natural immunity, changes to pandemic laws and attitudes. But some scientists in Korea blame it on the waning effectiveness of the vax. South Korea is amont the top 10 most vaxd countries.
So one thing is clear. The vax is NOT doing its job. One could counter that deaths would be even higher without the vax and no doubt that is true too. But they are not effective in preventing spread and eliminating the virus. Which was the initial objective of the virus. Now people are having the change their thinking and pretend the purpose of the vax is like a health booster shot. BUt then that line of thinking destroys the mandate movement bcos it can never achieve its objective.No. The only thing which is clear is that you are a lying idiot.
The original purpose of the virus was not to eliminate the virus. That makes as much sense as chugging tequila to get sober. Perhaps you meant the original purpose of the vaccine was to eliminate the virus, which illustrates your complete lack of understanding.
I'll cover this again for the people who only eat vegetables because they don't want to eat anything which is smarter than them. There has never been a vaccine, nor will there ever be, with the purpose of eliminating a virus. Even my sister's dog understands that and he's been dead for 2 years. The purpose of any vaccine is to provide a level of protection from the virus.
If you think about it, which is about as likely as me climbing Mt. Everest naked, it's easy to understand. Vaccines don't kill viruses. They stimulate a response in the immune system. If you want to eliminate the virus, just take everyone who becomes infected and pump them full of disinfectant. It would be 100% fatal and a horrible way to die, but it's the only way you can hope to eliminate the virus.
As you noted, but failed to understand, the vaccine has shown it's very effective at reducing the severity and the number of deaths from Covid, which for anyone who isn't allergic to honesty, is precisely what any vaccine is supposed to do. Since you want to fixate on South Korea, over 90% of adults are vaccinated, but 75.6% of the deaths are unvaccinated. The fatality rate prior to vaccination was 2. 4%, it's now 0. 8%. Really, picking South Korea as an example of vaccination failure, is like picking lions as examples of successful vegans. Let me explain those numbers for you.
If 1,000 South Koreans become infected with Covid, 100 of the infected are unvaccinated, 900 are vaccinated. Out of the 1,000, there will be 8 deaths. Of those 8 deaths, 6 will be unvaccinated. That makes the unvaccinated fatality rate 6%. Meanwhile, the fatality rate for the vaccinated is 0. 22%. To simplify it further that means an unvaccinated South Korean who becomes infected with Covid is 27 times more likely to die than a vaccinated, infected South Korean.
It's really a simple choice. Would you rather have an illness that makes you feel poorly for a few days, or would you rather have an illness which hospitalizes you for 4 months, much of the time intubated, before it eventually kills you?
I find these really bizarre claims John.
1. You might be impressed by the vaxes, so in your opinion they are the best. I think a vax that wiped out a virus entirely (almost) such as the polio vax would get a higher rating than a vax that only lasts for 4 months.
2. I agree that a vax can only be effective if taken. BUt claiming that the virus would disappear if 100% wer vaxed is pure fantasy and propaganda. The virus was always going to be endemic. It has nothing tlo do with the "idiot minority". There are billions of people around the world that have no access to a vax. Are they part of the idiot minority? I beleive the idiots are the ones that think thought one could wipe out a virus like COVID, and the ones that decided to only give vaxes to people from tier 1 and tier 2 countries..I find your ignorance really bizarre.
1. The poliomyelitis virus has not been wiped out, it's still alive and well. However, thanks to the efforts of people who chose human life over stupidity, polio cases have been eliminated everywhere except Afghanistan and Pakistan. However, polio vaccination rates are dropping, mostly due to the efforts of idiots like you. It's quite likely new cases, in countries previously free of polio, will soon occur.
2. Your claim is bullshit, which is standard for you. Polio cases, since you brought it up have been eliminated everywhere except Afghanistan and Pakistan, because nearly 100% of the population has been vaccinated against Polio. If we stopped vaccinating against Polio, we would start seeing cases again within just a few years.
Roughly 1 year ago almost nobody anywhere in the world had access to any Covid vaccines. If you prefer polio, prior to 1954 nobody in the world had access to the polio vaccine. It took more than 40 years for many countries to begin administering the vaccine. Let's use your bullshit rationalization with polio. According to you, since most of the world didn't have access to the polio vaccine, nobody in the world should have been vaccinated against polio. And how effective would the polio vaccine have been if nobody received it?
Currently, over 46% of the world has been fully vaccinated against Covid. That's in about 1 year, an incredible accomplishment. Another year and worldwide vaccination rate could easily exceed 90%, if not for the pandemic of idiocy which is trying to stop vaccination.
For comparison, the Salk polio vaccine began widespread testing in 1955, in the US. In 1953 there were 58,000 polio cases in the US. By 1961 the number of cases had dropped to 161 in the US.
To address some of your other psychotic trash, the standard polio vaccination schedule consists of 4 doses, although some countries administer a 5th dose during adolescence. Yet you have complained because the current recommendation for Covid vaccines is 3 doses, which may eventually be increased to 4.
As for the low vaccination rates in third world countries, I'll use an analogy.
Every time you fly the flight crew gives a brief safety lecture. In the event of a loss of cabin pressure, oxygen masks drop from the overhead. How do they tell you to use the masks? First you put on your mask, then you help others.
The reason for that is if you put the mask on your 3 year old first, then pass out from lack of oxygen, your 3 year old probably can't get the mask on you, and might take the mask off, so both of you die. Although, in your case, most 3 year olds are smarter and more capable and your body dying from lack of oxygen just puts it in the same condition as your brain.
The vaccines work the same way. The countries which have the resources to develop and produce vaccines need to take care of themselves first. If they have to stop production because too many people are sick, then who is going to produce and distribute the vaccines? Is South Sudan capable of producing and distributing 100 million doses per day?
It's pretty funny how you constantly strive to be exceed your previous stupidity. I can't wait for the next installment.
Because I can't stand to read more than the first 2 lines of the drivel that you write. So I do not know what I would be responding to you about if it is not in those first 2 lines. The last time I posted about someone having covid twice after getting vaccinated you called bullshit. So I was just saving you some typing time so you would not have to question me again why someone would tell me the truth about them having covid. We already know nothing is true unless you personally approve it as being true.So, it boils down to your inability to read beyond the 5th grade level? Why didn't you say so. I can run everything through a friend of mine who has been an elementary school teacher for 40 years and have her bring it down to a level you're capable of understanding.
Or is it really because you can't handle someone calling you out when you post bullshit? That seems just as likely. You've shown in the past that you are fully capable of reading more than 2 lines of my posts which aren't pointing out when you are just making shit up.
How do you explain 2 separate cases of Covid in less than a month when recovery from Covid takes about 1 month?
I saw someone claimed not long ago that the Covid vaccines have horrible side effects. I am here to tell you that is 100% correct.
However, "horrible" is a subjective description which is useless when discussing side effects. For example, someone who stubs their toe might say it was horrible, the worst pain they've ever felt. In reality it's almost always minor and quickly forgotten.
That's a good description of the horrible Covid vaccine side effects, minor and quickly forgotten. Perhaps a more detailed description will help.
About 6 hours ago I received a booster dose (3rd) of the Pfizer vaccine. My first dose, in early March, left my arm sore for about 14 hours. It was so incredibly sore that I slept 4 hours and then worked for 10 hours and didn't really notice when the pain faded. The second dose was about the same with the addition of I felt like I might be getting a cold for about 12 hours.
Here are the horrible side effects I've experienced so far with dose 3:
1. About 5 minutes after injection I felt slightly queasy for about 30 seconds.
2. 1 hour after I noticed a slight headache and a bit of pain in my neck. Although I had spent most of the time in a traffic jam, so it could have been a coincidence.
3. About 3 hours in I began to notice a pain in my arm. At 6 hours the pain is so had that I'm unable to play the violin. That may be influenced by my lack of a violin and the fact I've never tried to play a violin. The good news is that it doesn't seem to affect my ability to play my Colombian tiple, or my guitar.
4. 5 hours and I've definitely got a headache. It's possible I might decide to pop a couple of Tylenol in a few hours.
As you can see the side effects are almost unbearable.
Sorry, John, that is just not true. https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/10-reasons-why-the-fda-approval-for-pfizer-jab-isnt-about-health-but-about-forcing-people-to-take-the-shot/.Interesting read. But wait, what is peckford42? It's a Canadian blog. And what was the source for their article? LifeSiteNews. It says so at the bottom of the page. So who is LifeSiteNews?
Well here is the first thing Wikipedia has to say about them:
"LifeSiteNews (or simply LifeSite) is a Canadian Catholic far-right anti-abortion advocacy website and news publication. LifeSiteNews has published misleading information and conspiracy theories, and in 2021, was banned from some social media platforms for spreading COVID-19 misinformation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeSiteNews
So basically we have an article written by a bunch of know conspiracy theorist crackpots. Where were the rest of the sources? There were none.
It's a huge problem that Peter Doshi, a senior editor at the BMJ calls the "elephant named waning immunity. " he cited Israel's Ministry of Health from early July showing Pfizer's vaccine was just 65% effective, which late July had dwindled to just 39% where Delta is the dominant strain. Apparently the downward trend is continuing. Considering that the FDA's own expectation is of "at least 50%" efficacy for any approvable vaccine. In terms of the vaccine "working," the FDA has violated its own low standards to fast-track approval for this vaccine and they haven't told us why.Peter Doshi huh? An associate editor at BMJ and an associate professor at the University of Maryland. OK moderate competencies. What do others say about his opinions?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350602977_Comment_on_the_BMJ_opinion_of_the_associate_editor_Peter_Doshi_about_Pfizer_and_Moderna%27s_95_effective_vaccines-we_need_more_details_and_the_raw_data
https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-carolina-news/fact-check-report-questioning-pfizer-trial-shouldnt-undermine-confidence-in-vaccines/
http://hildabastian.net/index.php/covid-19/103-unpacking-doshi-take
These articles generally opine that Peter Doshi isn't all that good at analytics. Which of course would make him a real fan favorite of Elvis.
And if your side is so confident why the constant banning of things? Joe Rogan talks about the profits of vaccine companies, a doctor comes on and tells the truth that the vaccine is EUA, and says that the risk and benefit presented on all other treatments is being turned to the side with this vaccine. I can see why Pfizer wants this banned, but youtube? How much are they in Pfizer's pocket?
Furthermore, if you look at ivermectin versus the vaccine for prophylaxis, it is not even close. Ivermectin wins in a landslide. So why is no one talking about that or monoclonal antibodies? Joe Rogan does a series of treatments and gets better in a day and instead of figuring out why, people say they wish he died and that he took a "horse dewormer."
Is the goal of your party saving lives or making Pfizer its $36 billion?
That is a pretty good gig if you can get it. Taxpayers pay for the research, you have immunity from lawsuits, mandates that require your product, and you do not have to show safety data..Ahh yes Joe Rogan. Now there is a scientific researcher of great note. Oh wait, a UFC commentator, a comedian, game show host and finally a podcaster.
Here is a quote from Wikipedia:
"COVID-19.
In April 2021, in regards to the COVID-19 pandemic, Rogan stated his belief that young and healthy people should not be concerned about getting vaccinated. Rogan was criticized by White House chief medical advisor Anthony Fauci, who accused him of making misleading comments regarding the COVID-19 vaccines. Subsequently, Rogan backed down his statement, acknowledging that Fauci's opinion was founded on science, and calling himself a "moron" and "not a respected source of information".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
Now with those splendid qualifications outlining his creditability, I can understand why Elvis would be eager to have Joe's podcasts open to the world.
If we are going to talk about science then let's stop trying to support our crackpot theories with blogs, and UFC color commentator analysis. Hey Elvis, how about using some of the real sources? You know. The kind that actually use science to support their conclusions.
So, it boils down to your inability to read beyond the 5th grade level? Why didn't you say so. I can run everything through a friend of mine who has been an elementary school teacher for 40 years and have her bring it down to a level you're capable of understanding.
Or is it really because you can't handle someone calling you out when you post bullshit? That seems just as likely. You've shown in the past that you are fully capable of reading more than 2 lines of my posts which aren't pointing out when you are just making shit up.
How do you explain 2 separate cases of Covid in less than a month when recovery from Covid takes about 1 month?Here you go again showing off your stupidity. No one wants to read your longwinded ramblings. I understand that you think that you're really smart and interesting, but the rest of the World don't. You really don't get it since you're not only stupid and boring, you lack social skills as well.
Elvis 2008
12-17-21, 16:02
I forgot to thank you. I'm truly flattered that both you and Elvis consider me to be one of the most influential people in the world. Honestly, I never expected either of you to say I'm literally able to influence billions of people, from the comfort of my recliner. Thanks to both of you for assuming I'm today's version of E. F. Hutton.LOL. Mr. E did not bother to correct you stupid as shit comments like the only thing women want from men is money. Really, all guys here are johns all the time? And women cannot take advantage of men / rip men off because men do not need sex? I can see you are trying to change Colombian women to be more like American ones. Good luck with that.
However much power over media giants you believe I cIf you remove your head from your ass long enough to check, you might find that Twitter is continuing a policy which has been in place for months, restricting accounts which share false vaccination information. They also restrict accounts of people who engage in hate speech or promote violence.
Again, I already knew you spend much of your time dreaming of being publicly humiliated by me, but I never suspected you considered me one of the world's most powerful figures.I can see the lingering stroke effects are still there. It was a joke dummy, and you totally missed it x 2.
Restricting false vaccination information huh? Jesus, I have never seen someone suck so much institutional and political dick in my life.
Elvis 2008
12-17-21, 16:07
Interesting read. But wait, what is peckford42? It's a Canadian blog. And what was the source for their article? LifeSiteNews. It says so at the bottom of the page. So who is LifeSiteNews?
This is another Democratic douche post sponsored by Pfizer. I care about facts not your critiques on sources. Is he wrong about the safety data? Is he wrong about the waning efficacy of the vaccine or not? Who the fuck are you to decide a source is worth listening to or not?
Elvis 2008
12-17-21, 16:08
It's about compliance. Percentage of children vaccinated by 24 months: polio 92.6%, MMR 90.8%, Chickenpox 90.2%, etc. Percent fully vaccinated against SARS CoV-2 in Idaho 45.8%, Alabama 47%, etc.
I'm saying the Moderna (and Pfizer) vaccine are the most brilliantly designed, safe and effective vaccines to date. The vaccine is a great success. The disease has become endemic for other reasons.And this post was brought to you by Pfizer.
One thing I've always believed in is honesty. If I'm wrong, I admit it. It just seems much easier than constantly having to venture off through the looking glass, searching for some fantasy which keeps me from admitting my errors.
I saw someone claimed not long ago that the Covid vaccines have horrible side effects. I am here to tell you that is 100% correct.
However, "horrible" is a subjective description which is useless when discussing side effects. For example, someone who stubs their toe might say it was horrible, the worst pain they've ever felt. In reality it's almost always minor and quickly forgotten.
That's a good description of the horrible Covid vaccine side effects, minor and quickly forgotten. Perhaps a more detailed description will help.
About 6 hours ago I received a booster dose (3rd) of the Pfizer vaccine. My first dose, in early March, left my arm sore for about 14 hours. It was so incredibly sore that I slept 4 hours and then worked for 10 hours and didn't really notice when the pain faded. The second dose was about the same with the addition of I felt like I might be getting a cold for about 12 hours.
Here are the horrible side effects I've experienced so far with dose 3:
1. About 5 minutes after injection I felt slightly queasy for about 30 seconds.
2. 1 hour after I noticed a slight headache and a bit of pain in my neck. Although I had spent most of the time in a traffic jam, so it could have been a coincidence..About 8 hours after getting poked, the headache was getting pretty bad and quite a bit of nausea joined the party. It was bad enough that I headed off to bed about 2 hours earlier than usual.
Two Tylenol along with my normal nighttime medicine and I was quickly snoring away, which lasted 5 or 6 hours, when my bladder informed me there was business to attend to in the bathroom. That's when things went wrong.
About 8 or 9 years ago I suffered a fainting spell. It happened after some strenuous sex with a girl I had just met. Like last night, I had awakened and headed to the bathroom. I ended up crawling back to bed where the girl, a registered nurse checked me out. A few hours later I felt fine. Over the years I've had 5 or 6 similar events. My most famous happened on the Medellin metro. It's been a few years since the last occurrence.
This morning it happened again. Mostly I finished my business before I went down, tearing the towel bar off the wall. Fortunately, I ended up sitting against the wall, rather than face down in the toilet. It took about 15 minutes before I could make it back to bed. A few hours later and I feel back to normal.
The headache and nausea are gone and the pain in my arm is fading. I don't know for certain that the fainting has any connection with the vaccine, but it's a possibility, so it's only fair to report it.
Here you go again showing off your stupidity. No one wants to read your longwinded ramblings. I understand that you think that you're really smart and interesting, but the rest of the World don't. You really don't get it since you're not only stupid and boring, you lack social skills as well.Oh SB. I wish I had come up with that one. Hehe.
Here you go again showing off your stupidity. No one wants to read your longwinded ramblings. I understand that you think that you're really smart and interesting, but the rest of the World don't. You really don't get it since you're not only stupid and boring, you lack social skills as well.That's curious. The guy with no friends, with no worthwhile contributions and no social skills, who says nobody wants to read my posts, takes time out of his day to read my posts and reply with his typical childish garbage.
Oh SB. I wish I had come up with that one. Hehe.You can't come up with "that one." You chose to run and hide from anyone who points out all of the bullshit lies you post. You would first need to develop some integrity before there's any chance you'll come up with anything.
RamDavidson84
12-17-21, 22:14
Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. I would also bet at least half the anti-vaxxers are liberal hippies as well, but media will never report that. I am curious to see how long it will take before main-stream American media start to report the truth about of Omicron, easier to transmit, but far far far less deadly and will burn itself out. Just my opinion though, can't say for sure yet but I would bet a hefty sum on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0m9gAuRDOE
RamDavidson84
12-17-21, 22:28
One thing I've always believed in is honesty. If I'm wrong, I admit it. It just seems much easier than constantly having to venture off through the looking glass, searching for some fantasy which keeps me from admitting my errors.
About 8 hours after getting poked, the headache was getting pretty bad and quite a bit of nausea joined the party. It was bad enough that I headed off to bed about 2 hours earlier than usual.
Two Tylenol along with my normal nighttime medicine and I was quickly snoring away, which lasted 5 or 6 hours, when my bladder informed me there was business to attend to in the bathroom. That's when things went wrong.
About 8 or 9 years ago I suffered a fainting spell. It happened after some strenuous sex with a girl I had just met. Like last night, I had awakened and headed to the bathroom. I ended up crawling back to bed where the girl, a registered nurse checked me out. A few hours later I felt fine. Over the years I've had 5 or 6 similar events. My most famous happened on the Medellin metro. It's been a few years since the last occurrence..Nice to see.
Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. Thats is good news! Will be eager to see how it plays out from here. More new variants will no doubt come along. And they could be more lethal. But it is the history of viruses that they tend to fizzle out in terms on lethality, so hpefully this is a major step.
Agreed with all you said Ram, apart from I don't agree that this is left wing at all. It is authoritarianism, wihch is neither left nor right. That is on the other axis. Hehe.
RamDavidson84
12-18-21, 02:50
Thats is good news! Will be eager to see how it plays out from here. More new variants will no doubt come along. And they could be more lethal. But it is the history of viruses that they tend to fizzle out in terms on lethality, so hpefully this is a major step.
Agreed with all you said Ram, apart from I don't agree that this is left wing at all. It is authoritarianism, which is neither left nor right. That is on the other axis. Hehe.Ehhh I would say the left or liberals or whatever you want to call them depending on your country are without a doubt advocating for policies which are more authoritarian these days. Dems in USA are def pushing harder for mandatory vaccines AKA infringement of personal freedoms. Not to mention how they absolutely destroy the reputations of anyone who has a dissenting opinion. Freedom of Speech in USA is not what it used to be, unless your a dude who wants to be a girl, then your voice platform is invincible and you will win some ESPN courage award haha. LOL the dude on the you of Penn women's swim team is hysterical and sad. If I offended anyone, take it with a grain of salt.
MarquisdeSade1
12-18-21, 04:23
Mojo,
Don't know where the pics come from, but why the women at P Lleras, La Isla and casas are just the opposites of your pics?
Beautiful and ugly women are in every country. You can't expect the casual mongers to go to Colombia and spend 10 years hopefully to find a few hot women. We are talking about mongering chasing WGs here, not spending years chasing a few women.Most BMs fall into one of two categories, they lie and try to discourage others from visiting a venue or locale they like because they fear any competition.
Because I guess they feel they will come up very short?
Then you have the more duplicitous fucks that lie, because they have a venue or locale that they like, that isn't "all that" but they want to tell the world that it is.
Thinking and hoping, a flood of money and mongers will only improve the scene for them.
You have the good cop vs bad cop debates of shut up, don't tell everyone!! LOL ala the "briar patch" OH nooooooooooo.
I haven't seen the whole world yet, but I have seen two places that were really overhyped and when I visited I thought WTF?
This doesn't seem like the place I read those cheerleaders cheering about 24/7.
#1 Moscow espec a club called Nightflight, I get there I'm told don't bother it isn't any good anymore, after being told 24/7 weeks before its the best club in the world.
#2 Medellin, just go to Gustos and La Islas and you'll see what I'm talking about ROTFLMFAO.
If you want cheap pussy goto Medellin, if you want better pussy (someone just mentioned Mexico LOS or PI) goto to any of those 3.
Medellin is a quintessential case of "you get what you pay for" not so great cheap pussy, not so great cheap food, not so great cheap hotels.
MarquisdeSade1
12-18-21, 05:05
Ehhh I would say the left or liberals or whatever you want to call them depending on your country are without a doubt advocating for policies which are more authoritarian these days. Dems in USA are def pushing harder for mandatory vaccines AKA infringement of personal freedoms. Not to mention how they absolutely destroy the reputations of anyone who has a dissenting opinion. Freedom of Speech in USA is not what it used to be, unless your a dude who wants to be a girl, then your voice platform is invincible and you will win some ESPN courage award haha. LOL the dude on the you of Penn women's swim team is hysterical and sad. If I offended anyone, take it with a grain of salt.https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/16/stop-wearing-masks-to-protect-others/
Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. I would also bet at least half the anti-vaxxers are liberal hippies as well, but media will never report that. I am curious to see how long it will take before main-stream American media start to report the truth about of Omicron, easier to transmit, but far far far less deadly and will burn itself out. Just my opinion though, can't say for sure yet but I would bet a hefty sum on it.A few points.
The American media already reported that the Omicron variant is more contagious, but has a lower rate of serious illness, at least 10 days ago.
While I'm sure there are left wing anti-vaxxers, I haven't encountered any. Most of my family and friends tend to the left, many of them towards the extreme left. Every one that I know, including a few famous hippies are vaccinated. The only anti-vax people I know are far right wingers. I doubt if more than 10% of the anti-vax loons are leftist.
Early in the pandemic, when many of the right wingers were insisting Covid was no worse than the flu, someone exercised their personal freedom and visited a nursing home. They had a cough, probably a fever, but that personal freedom thing is more important. By the time the funerals were all finished, half of the residents were dead, including my aunt and the parents of several people I grew up with. The same thing happened all over the world, with some places having fatality rates over 75%. How many lives are acceptable to be taken away so one person can have the personal freedom to endanger those lives?
Here are a few tidbits I posted earlier.
Singapore, which began paying for 100% of all Covid treatment early last year has announced they will no longer cover costs for anyone who is unvaccinated by choice. At this point 95% of their eligible population is vaccinated, but the majority of the healthcare costs are unvaccinated people.
South Korea has vaccinated 90% of adults, but 75% of COVID deaths are unvaccinated.
In the US, Indiana is using the National Guard to assist in 15 of 18 of the hospitals belonging to the state's largest healthcare provider, and they will be added to 2 more next week. All because they are overwhelmed with Covid cases. The only hospital which isn't overwhelmed is a children's hospital. Indiana (a solidly right wing state has only 51.6% of the population fully vaccinated, and 99% of the hospitalized Covid cases are unvaccinated.
If I had the time I could find 100 more examples which are supported by science (the foundation of science. Mathematics), but there's no benefit to wasting my time. People either understand, or they are incapable of understanding.
What are your qualifications?
Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. I would also bet at least half the anti-vaxxers are liberal hippies as well, but media will never report that. I am curious to see how long it will take before main-stream American media start to report the truth about of Omicron, easier to transmit, but far far far less deadly and will burn itself out. Just my opinion though, can't say for sure yet but I would bet a hefty sum on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0m9gAuRDOEYou said "those left wing policies are not based on real science. " What are your qualifications to determine what qualifies as "real science?
It's strange that you refer to the policies as left wing, when the same policies have been used all over the world, not just in left wing countries.
I'm asking for your qualifications because for over 30 years I've gotten the "not backed up by science" response on just about anything you can think of. I've noticed 2 things about that response.
1. Whatever has been declared as "not real science" is always supported by science.
2. Anyone making the claim lacks the background to demonstrate their claim.
Number 2 is a dead giveaway, because anyone with the science background won't rely on a stock phrase. Instead they will demonstrate how and why.
In regards to those policies, it's a rather simple health physics problem. It's the same problem and solution applied when dealing with occupational exposure to ionizing radiation.
1. Minimize the number of people exposed. That's the lockdown.
2. Minimize time of exposure and maximize distance from source. Social distancing and curfews.
3. Maximize use of available shielding and protective gear. Masks, gloves, hand sanitizer, vaccines.
4. Monitor people who have been exposed. Testing and contact tracing.
You lost any chance of making a point when you filled the post with left wing and right wing references. Viruses are apolitical. Science is apolitical. Medicine is apolitical. When you try to apply politics toa science problem, it's a disaster. Kind of like using a hammer to clean your windows.
There's a simple experiment you can do at home to show the same science applies to left and right. Turn on 2 burners on your stove. Once they are good and hot, place your left hand on one and place your right hand on the other. Compare the results.
This is another Democratic douche post sponsored by Pfizer. I care about facts not your critiques on sources. Is he wrong about the safety data? Is he wrong about the waning efficacy of the vaccine or not? Who the fuck are you to decide a source is worth listening to or not?You care about facts? And to find those facts you hunt down libertarian blogs with articles that have no documentation or support for their claims. But since you like their message. Those are now "facts".
Your hero Joe Rogan said "I'm a moron. And not a respected source of information. " but since you like the message his stuff now becomes "facts".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
You have no clue how to analyze data or how to find facts or even to determine what is factual and what is not. If you actually cared about "facts" you wouldn't be looking for them on libertarian blogs. All you really want is someone / anyone to confirm your crackpot theories. You should stick to lying about your sexual exploits. At least those can't be refuted out of hand.
I would say the left or liberals or whatever you want to call them depending on your country are without a doubt advocating for policies which are more authoritarian these days. Dems in USA are def pushing harder for mandatory vaccines AKA infringement of personal freedoms.Th epoint I make is that these are not left political policies, bcos authoritarianism is not part of the left anymore than it is part of the right. It is actually part of the other axis of the politcal spectrum. Left v right, authoritarian v libertarian. You can be left and libertarian (like me), as much as you can be right and libertarian.
The Dem Party are not left. They are right wing by any standards other than the political mess of the USA.
Check out the draconian measures in Austria. This is from a right wing leading party Austrian People's Party.
Check out the internment camps in Oz. Liberal Party of Australia. What a name for a party that locks up its own people! - again, conservative right wing party.
So please do not slander the left Ram. That is unfair and untrue.
Most BMs fall into one of two categories, they lie and try to discourage others from visiting a venue or locale they like because they fear any competition.
Because I guess they feel they will come up very short?
Then you have the more duplicitous fucks that lie, because they have a venue or locale that they like, that isn't "all that" but they want to tell the world that it is.
Thinking and hoping, a flood of money and mongers will only improve the scene for them.
You have the good cop vs bad cop debates of shut up, don't tell everyone!! LOL ala the "briar patch" OH nooooooooooo.
I haven't seen the whole world yet, but I have seen two places that were really overhyped and when I visited I thought WTF?
This doesn't seem like the place I read those cheerleaders cheering about 24/7.And any advice from MDS can be discounted because he has never visited Colombia, and almost certainly none of the other places he talks about either. He is suspected to be a high-school student trolling the boards here from his mother's basement. Anything he writes about these places is something he read in the forums and is rehashing as his own.
RamDavidson84
12-18-21, 18:14
A few points.
The American media already reported that the Omicron variant is more contagious, but has a lower rate of serious illness, at least 10 days ago.
While I'm sure there are left wing anti-vaxxers, I haven't encountered any. Most of my family and friends tend to the left, many of them towards the extreme left. Every one that I know, including a few famous hippies are vaccinated. The only anti-vax people I know are far right wingers. I doubt if more than 10% of the anti-vax loons are leftist.
Early in the pandemic, when many of the right wingers were insisting Covid was no worse than the flu, someone exercised their personal freedom and visited a nursing home. They had a cough, probably a fever, but that personal freedom thing is more important. By the time the funerals were all finished, half of the residents were dead, including my aunt and the parents of several people I grew up with. The same thing happened all over the world, with some places having fatality rates over 75%. How many lives are acceptable to be taken away so one person can have the personal freedom to endanger those lives?
Here are a few tidbits I posted earlier.
Singapore, which began paying for 100% of all Covid treatment early last year has announced they will no longer cover costs for anyone who is unvaccinated by choice. At this point 95% of their eligible population is vaccinated, but the majority of the healthcare costs are unvaccinated people..The media reported it might be less severe, true, but the strong message coming from the media is get your booster and we are not sure if Omicron has less severe symptoms. And to be fair, it is the right message because it's too early to tell 100% if the symptoms are less severe. Like I have said before I just think much of this is about economics / profits for the media, big tech, big pharma, and Democrats. Now 6-8 weeks from now when death rates and hospitalizations are way down and they are still blasting covid stories and mandatory vaccines and booster variants and trying to keep this story alive for profits, then in my eyes they will look foolish. Media lost my trust after RussiaGate, Fake Trump Impeachment, and shifting Covid policies which make no sense half the time.
Nice points in regard to personal freedoms, but in my opinion, Austrian lockdowns weren't based on science as much as they were politics. And those people in the nursing home who passed away were going to contract the virus regardless of whether or not the guy with the cough got vaccinated because as the statistics show, you can still transmit the virus even if you are fully vaccinated. Vaccination just reduces the chance you will have symptoms, hospitalization, or death. If the vaccine prevented transmission, I would agree with you 100%. And like you said, it seems people are divided over this issue, it doesn't make sense to argue endlessly about the arguments we have all heard dozens of times before.
In my opinion, there is no way to stop the virus at this point, it will just have to run its course like the Spanish Flu did in 1918. Hopefully this is the last winter of severity with covid.
RamDavidson84
12-18-21, 18:26
Th epoint I make is that these are not left political policies, bcos authoritarianism is not part of the left anymore than it is part of the right. It is actually part of the other axis of the politcal spectrum. Left v right, authoritarian v libertarian. You can be left and libertarian (like me), as much as you can be right and libertarian.
The Dem Party are not left. They are right wing by any standards other than the political mess of the USA.
Check out the draconian measures in Austria. This is from a right wing leading party Austrian People's Party.
Check out the internment camps in Oz. Liberal Party of Australia. What a name for a party that locks up its own people! - again, conservative right wing party.
So please do not slander the left Ram. That is unfair and untrue.Yea we all understand political spectrum JustTK, but I was not aware Conservatives were enforcing the lockdowns in Austria. I did a little research and it is still showing the conservative parties are anti-lockdown? The left in the USA advocates for Authoritarian polices, what is unfair or untrue about that?
RamDavidson84
12-18-21, 18:36
What are your qualifications?
You said "those left wing policies are not based on real science. " What are your qualifications to determine what qualifies as "real science?
It's strange that you refer to the policies as left wing, when the same policies have been used all over the world, not just in left wing countries.
I'm asking for your qualifications because for over 30 years I've gotten the "not backed up by science" response on just about anything you can think of. I've noticed 2 things about that response.
1. Whatever has been declared as "not real science" is always supported by science.
2. Anyone making the claim lacks the background to demonstrate their claim.
Number 2 is a dead giveaway, because anyone with the science background won't rely on a stock phrase. Instead they will demonstrate how and why...Hahahaha I have to stop posting on this forum SMH. I am expressing my opinion. On a sex mongering forum, I have no qualifications, just like the next guy. And what the fuck is this rambling post even about haha? I don't want to be a dick, but the fuck are you even talk about with Ion exposure and stove burners and shit. You could benefit from this saying K. I. S. S. - Keep it simple stupid. You'll convey your message more clearly to a larger audience.
Elvis 2008
12-18-21, 19:24
You care about facts? And to find those facts you hunt down libertarian blogs with articles that have no documentation or support for their claims. But since you like their message. Those are now "facts".Peckford links to all the relevant sources. Rogan was interviewing a doctor who made a number of good points.
Joe Rogan is interviewing a doctor, and you are so fucking stupid you attack Rogan?
Rogan said that drug companies are making tens of billions on the vaccine and do not want that to stop. Your opinion on that is Rogan is an idiot.
Attacking the source versus the facts is a Democratic douche move, and your post gets the Pfizer seal of approval but for me, this is the second time you have made really, really stupid attacks and you are on ignore.
Elvis 2008
12-18-21, 20:06
Hospitalization rate is down 91.7% in South Africa. This is going to end up being no worse than the flu. No need for mandatory vaccinations or fucking looney lockdowns which destroy society and turn people against one another. Austria is going to pay the price for locking their people down as a "punishment" for not getting vaccinated. Most likely for years there is going to be deep resentment and hatred between those who supported the vaccine and those who didn't take it and were held like prisoners in their home. Personal freedoms are certainly not absolute, but the danger presented by the virus didn't justify the loss of personal freedom the citizens of Austria lost. Those left wing policies are not based on real science and they seem to be based more on emotion and are horrible for everyone. A shift away from the extremists is what people need. Also glad to see 92.8% of American adults have at least one shot of the vaccine, not so many anit-vaxxers after all. Honestly, Ram, there should have been a lot more ant-vaxxers than there were. It was touted the vaccine got FDA approval when it did not have it. It got EUA, emergency use allowed which is a designation that means a drug is allowed to be used pretty much in people with one foot in the grave. Using a therapy in a majority of Americans without the proper safety data was disgusting. If people want to get vaccinated, they should have at it, but now the mandates are back on and this is hugely problematic. There is inadequate safety data, and the government making these decisions and vaccine manufacturers are exempt from being sued.
I am not sure the vaccine is doing anything now. About half the players on the NFL team the LA Rams have tested + for Covid, and the team was 98% vaccinated. The whole league was 94% vaccinated and there is so much Covid now, three games were postponed this weekend. About 20% of the players have tested + at some point during the year, and this has been over like a 3 month period.
Aaron Rogers tests + for Covid and is ripped in the media because he lied about being vaccinated. Two weeks later, he roars back and plays as well as he ever has and people are saying how great he is. Even fat ass coaches who tested + are on the sideline looking well a few weeks later.
There is a player in the NBA named Kyrie Irving who refused the Vax. His team just activated him to play. This is huge IMO because it means management concluded the vaccine does not prevent transmission and there is so much Covid now they and Irving cannot be demonized if he were to play. And they also concluded players getting Covid is no big deal.
And while the vaccine now seems to do nothing in the way of prevention, there was this notion it prevents you from being hospitalized and / or die. While that may be true in the elderly, diabetic, or morbidly obese, it certainly is not true of the fit young.
The American Heart Association left no doubt in one study that the vaccine leads to heart inflammation. Myocarditis and pericarditis are known side effects of the vaccine. And now European soccer players, among the fittest in the world, are dropping like flies on the field with heart issues.
See the links: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/ex-pro-demands-probe-soccer-players-suffering-heart-problems.
https://summit.news/2021/11/09/german-newspaper-highlights-unusually-large-number-of-soccer-players-who-have-collapsed-recently/
And I finally found the kind of graph on the vaccine rates that I liked here: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/.
The correlation between being vaccinated and number of Covid cases does not exist. Look at how poorly well vaccinated Europe is doing with Covid compared to barely vaccinated central Africa.
So why is there the disparity? Ivermectin use.
This study shows that Ivermectin does better with regards to prophylaxis than the vaccine and has the mortality and hospitalization benefits as well: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8470309/.
Joe Rogan had Covid and said he was sick for one day. He was given a string of vitamin treatments, steroids, an antibiotic, and Ivermectin. He was ripped for taking ivermectin and it was called a "horse dewormer", yet no one said anything about all the other therapies.
The answer as to why is obvious to me. Ivermectin actually works. Now people can see it with their own eyes. "Hey, if the vaccine is so great, why do half the LA Rams have Covid now?" Hey, if the vaccine is so safe, "why are soccer players dropping like flies?" In both cases, "scientists" if they are being honest will say they do not know.
Everyone should be anti-vaxxers now.
Peckford links to all the relevant sources. Rogan was interviewing a doctor who made a number of good points.
Joe Rogan is interviewing a doctor, and you are so fucking stupid you attack Rogan?
Rogan said that drug companies are making tens of billions on the vaccine and do not want that to stop. Your opinion on that is Rogan is an idiot.
Attacking the source versus the facts is a Democratic douche move, and your post gets the Pfizer seal of approval but for me, this is the second time you have made really, really stupid attacks and you are on ignore.Pecker Blog linked another Libertarian blog that had no sources, none for the article which Pecker Blog reprinted. In short that means there was zero support for the article.
Apparently you aren't yet literate. That's fine. So let me say it so that even a 3rd grader can understand it. I didn't call Joe Rogan an idiot. Read the Wikipedia piece. He called himself a "moron" and further said.
"I'm not a respected source of information". So just so you get it. I didn't have to say anything, he said it about himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Rogan
The point is you blather on about CoVid like you know something when the only sources you come up with are libertarian blogs and self-confessed morons who are color commentators for UFC. Why in the world should anyone believe anything that you write??
I was not aware Conservatives were enforcing the lockdowns in Austria. I did a little research and it is still showing the conservative parties are anti-lockdown?No, the Austrian government is right wing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party#Ideology_and_Platform.
As is the Australian.
The left in the USA advocates for Authoritarian polices, what is unfair or untrue about that?What left would that be Ram? I have been following USA politcis for quite a while and I have yet to see a leftist party so I am surprised that you even heard what the left might be advocating. What I see is the right wing Democrats advocating for vax card mandates on entry to the USA and destroying US social investment plans that could have helped the USA recover from its downward spiral.
Hahahaha I have to stop posting on this forum SMH. I am expressing my opinion. On a sex mongering forum, I have no qualifications, just like the next guy. And what the fuck is this rambling post even about haha? I don't want to be a dick, but the fuck are you even talk about with Ion exposure and stove burners and shit. You could benefit from this saying K. I. S. S. - Keep it simple stupid. You'll convey your message more clearly to a larger audience.Again, a few points.
You said you don't want to be a dick, but at the same time you chose to be a dick. If you don't want to be a dick, don't be a dick. Respond in a civil manner.
If you are stating an opinion, clearly identify it as an opinion. When you say "policies are not based on real science" that's an objective declaration, rather than a subjective opinion.
How do you know what qualifications the next guy has? I know of at least 3 people who post here who are highly qualified and their qualified posts are in opposition to your unqualified opinions.
My intention is not to reach the largest audience. That should be obvious since my posts are here, in a subgroup which most members of ISG don't read. My intention is to address false and misleading information, made by people who are merely repeating what their favorite talking head blabbed about. Ultimately, my intention is to identify people who are able to develop and support an intelligent and informed opinion.
Some very basic information for you:
It's not ion exposure, you get that every time you take a breath or drink a glass of water. It's exposure to ionizing radiation, something which is highly regulated because of the health risks involved.
Ionizing radiation is the type you get from nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons. Non-ionizing radiation, the easiest example is sunlight.
The connection between exposure to ionizing radiation and Covid policies is quite simple, "Exposure. " You can't see radiation, you can't see the coronavirus. At least with radiation you can detect it and keep people away from it.
Here's a simple analogy to explain the policies which, in your opinion aren't based on real science:
You are in a group of 1000 people. There are 3 toilets. 200 of you are going to have explosive diarrhea. Is it better for all 200 to have explosive diarrhea at the same time, or is it better for the bouts of diarrhea to be spread out over several hours?
That's the real science behind the policies which you think are just politics, put into terms anyone can understand.
Is it better to have 50,000 people needing ICU beds, at the same time when you only have 10,000 available, or is it better to spread those 50,000 patients out over several months?
In your other post you said that all of those nursing home patients would have contracted the virus eventually. Probably true. However, how many would still be alive if they not been exposed before effective treatment protocols were established? How many would still be alive if they could have been vaccinated before exposure?
Finally, the thing I was talking about with stove burners was a very simple way to demonstrate how incredibly stupid it is to apply political ideologies to science problems. You weren't able to understand it because your limited understanding of science is entirely based upon your politics.
RamDavidson84
12-18-21, 22:28
No, the Austrian government is right wing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party#Ideology_and_Platform.
As is the Australian.
What left would that be Ram? I have been following USA politcis for quite a while and I have yet to see a leftist party so I am surprised that you even heard what the left might be advocating. What I see is the right wing Democrats advocating for vax card mandates on entry to the USA and destroying US social investment plans that could have helped the USA recover from its downward spiral.I was surprised to learn this about Austria, I do not follow politics in Europe.
So in the USA, there is really no such thing as a right wing Democrat. If you said that to anyone in the USA, they would look at you like you have two heads. In the USA, if you say left wing, it is almost interchangeable with Democrat, or liberal at this point. Right wing is associated with Republicans and conservatives in the USA. And again, if you say left wing Republican, its not something you will ever hear in American politics. The left aka, the Democrats in the USA are advocating the Authoritarian policies we have been discussing. This is what has become of the left in the USA. If you ask the vast majority of Democratic voters in the USA, are you right or left on the political spectrum, they will say left and they will also advocate for mot of the time for vaccine mandates, contact tracing, lockdowns, socialism "maybe", and other authoritarian policies. JusTK, I find it really strange I have to explain that to anyone who follows American politics, but you are from another country so you get a pass, but trust me referring to Democrats as right-wing is really strange for an American to hear.
RamDavidson84
12-18-21, 22:42
No, the Austrian government is right wing - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_People%27s_Party#Ideology_and_Platform.
As is the Australian.
What left would that be Ram? I have been following USA politcis for quite a while and I have yet to see a leftist party so I am surprised that you even heard what the left might be advocating. What I see is the right wing Democrats advocating for vax card mandates on entry to the USA and destroying US social investment plans that could have helped the USA recover from its downward spiral.https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/far-right-spies-opportunity-europes-new-wave-covid-pain-protest-rcna5695
So correct me if I am wrong, according to this article, the center right party is in control in Austria and forcing the lockdowns and the new far right political party is anti-lockdown?
MarquisdeSade1
12-19-21, 00:59
Yea we all understand political spectrum JustTK, but I was not aware Conservatives were enforcing the lockdowns in Austria. I did a little research and it is still showing the conservative parties are anti-lockdown? The left in the USA advocates for Authoritarian polices, what is unfair or untrue about that?He thinks people will allow him to define everything not whacko like him extreme right wing LMAO.
Elvis 2008
12-19-21, 01:27
There is a player in the NBA named Kyrie Irving who refused the Vax. His team just activated him to play. This is huge IMO because it means management concluded the vaccine does not prevent transmission and there is so much Covid now they and Irving cannot be demonized if he were to play. And they also concluded players getting Covid is no big deal.Sorry to quote myself, but this story is now even more funny now, and the media reaction is precious to it as well.
First off, Kyrie Irving, who refused to be vaccinated, was not allowed to play for his NBA team, the Brooklyn Nets. The media lined up and just blasted this guy saying he should get the vaccine, he didn't care enough, was not a team player, and all the usual antivaxx shaming rhetoric.
But it turns out the fully vaccinated Nets have a problem. Nearly half their team, 7 of 15, the part of the team that was vaccinated, is in Covid protocols now https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/brooklyn-nets-covid-19-protocols-list-grows-players/story?id=81755847.
Then I watch this video on ESPN and Mike Wilbon, whom I like, asks the question, How will Irving be received in the locker room? http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32891275.
I was just shaking my head, such a media reaction. People make decisions based on what is going around them. If half my teammates got vaccinated and tested + for Covid and I saw soccer players who were vaxxed dropping like flies, I would say to Irving, "You were smart, bro, I should not have gotten vaccinated either."
Then you learn the vaccine is for emergency use, and "Coach Nash noted that "predominantly" all of the players who had tested positive had been asymptomatic."
So now you have to ask what was the emergency? If the excuse is used that the vaccine prevented more serious illness, the athletes can now look at Aaron Rogers, say he looks pretty good, and ask how many unvaccinated athletes who got Covid wound up like him? And the answer is almost all of them.
Then you look at the soccer players with heart problems and the vaccine is known to cause problems. And these scientists will say there is no proven link that their heart problems are due to the vaccine, but they cannot say there is no link either. When will the scientists know for sure? In a few years maybe.
The only reason that the vaccine companies are for vaccinating pro athletes is they have immunity from lawsuits. Heck, the vaccine companies will not even vaccinate refugees, refugees!, without an immunity deal: https://www.reuters.com/world/refugees-lack-covid-shots-because-drugmakers-fear-lawsuits-documents-2021-12-16/.
So which is it now that is so important, vaccinating the world against Covid or vaccine company profits? It is pretty obvious it is the latter.
So you can sue a doctor who prescribes you ivermectin but not one who gives you a vaccine? Does that not tell you which treatment is safer?
I repeat, we should all be antivaxxers now.
BlackThought
12-19-21, 01:40
Holy shit. Still talking about vaccines? Just drop it for fuck sakes.
So correct me if I am wrong, according to this article, the center right party is in control in Austria and forcing the lockdowns and the new far right political party is anti-lockdown?That seems correct Ram.
trust me referring to Democrats as right-wing is really strange for an American to hear.I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.
RamDavidson84
12-19-21, 04:37
I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.I got you. In my opinion, just goes to show you how extreme Democrats have gotten in USA. Thanks for explaining a bit about European politics, I like the multi-party systems of some of the European nations, maybe that's what the USA needs.
RamDavidson84
12-19-21, 04:40
Holy shit. Still talking about vaccines? Just drop it for fuck sakes.Well this is the stupid shit forum, what do you expect haha? It is quite repetitive, although I have learned a bit about different views. Would def be cooler to learn some new mongering spots in Medellin besides the obvious joints haha.
RamDavidson84
12-19-21, 04:55
Again, a few points.
You said you don't want to be a dick, but at the same time you chose to be a dick. If you don't want to be a dick, don't be a dick. Respond in a civil manner.
If you are stating an opinion, clearly identify it as an opinion. When you say "policies are not based on real science" that's an objective declaration, rather than a subjective opinion.
How do you know what qualifications the next guy has? I know of at least 3 people who post here who are highly qualified and their qualified posts are in opposition to your unqualified opinions.
My intention is not to reach the largest audience. That should be obvious since my posts are here, in a subgroup which most members of ISG don't read. My intention is to address false and misleading information, made by people who are merely repeating what their favorite talking head blabbed about. Ultimately, my intention is to identify people who are able to develop and support an intelligent and informed opinion.
Some very basic information for you:
It's not ion exposure, you get that every time you take a breath or drink a glass of water. It's exposure to ionizing radiation, something which is highly regulated because of the health risks involved.My bad JJbee, I'm just bullshiting around in the forum, if I am being a dick please don't take it too personal. I would hope everyone here is wise enough not to take what anyone here posts as someone who is a qualified professional in whatever they post without a legit source. I don't know why anybody is going to assume whatever I write is fact and anything but my humble opinion. I can assure you, I am the furthest thing from any type of scientific professional in the areas of vaccines, government, or politics. If it is ok with you, I still feel like I have the right to express my opinion and I encourage everyone else to do the same. Thanks for explaining the ion stuff, but I can't muster the energy to take any that serious, kudos to you for being so well educated though.
And I always have respect for intelligent debate, no hate from me on that.
All that being said, do you feel these new lockdowns are necessary and based on purely on science?
I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.Oh fuck. I was going to stay out of here and I try really really hard not to talk about politics with Americans but yes. Barack Obama (a democrat) was about three step right of our Prime Minister at the outset, Stephen Harper (A Conservative) - you folks are far and away the most conservative (you can insert the adjectives you want here) of any of the western democracies. HEY - WTF. How is this getting discussed in a forum about Colombian hookers!
MarquisdeSade1
12-19-21, 06:07
Sorry to quote myself, but this story is now even more funny now, and the media reaction is precious to it as well.
First off, Kyrie Irving, who refused to be vaccinated, was not allowed to play for his NBA team, the Brooklyn Nets. The media lined up and just blasted this guy saying he should get the vaccine, he didn't care enough, was not a team player, and all the usual antivaxx shaming rhetoric.
But it turns out the fully vaccinated Nets have a problem. Nearly half their team, 7 of 15, the part of the team that was vaccinated, is in Covid protocols now https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/brooklyn-nets-covid-19-protocols-list-grows-players/story?id=81755847.
Then I watch this video on ESPN and Mike Wilbon, whom I like, asks the question, How will Irving be received in the locker room? http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32891275.
I was just shaking my head, such a media reaction. People make decisions based on what is going around them. If half my teammates got vaccinated and tested + for Covid and I saw soccer players who were vaxxed dropping like flies, I would say to Irving, "You were smart, bro, I should not have gotten vaccinated either."
Then you learn the vaccine is for emergency use, and "Coach Nash noted that "predominantly" all of the players who had tested positive had been asymptomatic.".https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/microchip-covid-passport-sweden/2021/12/18/id/1049202/
I was surprised to learn this about Austria, I do not follow politics in Europe.
So in the USA, there is really no such thing as a right wing Democrat. If you said that to anyone in the USA, they would look at you like you have two heads. In the USA, if you say left wing, it is almost interchangeable with Democrat, or liberal at this point. Right wing is associated with Republicans and conservatives in the USA. And again, if you say left wing Republican, its not something you will ever hear in American politics. The left aka, the Democrats in the USA are advocating the Authoritarian policies we have been discussing. This is what has become of the left in the USA. If you ask the vast majority of Democratic voters in the USA, are you right or left on the political spectrum, they will say left and they will also advocate for mot of the time for vaccine mandates, contact tracing, lockdowns, socialism "maybe", and other authoritarian policies. JusTK, I find it really strange I have to explain that to anyone who follows American politics, but you are from another country so you get a pass, but trust me referring to Democrats as right-wing is really strange for an American to hear.Let me play interpreter for a moment.
In this case JustTK is correct. There is very little difference between Republican and Democrat. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this is another area where you have no qualifications. Most people don't. Instead, they repeat what they are told. In reality, the difference is minor.
A quick study of US history will show you that the differences are negligible.
Imagine an interstate highway. There are 3 lanes in each direction. The US government drives down the middle lane. When the Democrats are in power, they usually pass in the left lane. When Republicans have the wheel they prefer the right lane. The direction of travel doesn't change.
There have been a few potholes. Republicans backed abolition, Democrats opposed it. Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans opposed it. It wasn't until Reagan came along that it became an us against them issue. The polarization has intensified, but the differences are minor.
The GOP aren't the Saints and the Democrats aren't the devils. They are just 2 groups fighting for power. Neither of them give a crap about you or I. Neither one gives a damn about the country, the Constitution or anything other than being the group that gets to sit in the driver's seat.
I understand it Ram. But anyone who has knowledge of politics outside of the USA, would agree that the o oh ifnly thing left about the Dem Party is that it is to the left of the Rep party. But that does not make it left. Thats like claiming a dwarf is tall bcos he is stood next to another and smaller dwarf. Hehe.
None of the Dem policies would pass as left wing in any orher country. The parties are 2 sides of the same coin.Imagine that. Common ground.
About 20 years ago my brother in law, a staunch Republican was on a rant that Democrats were trying to destroy the country. I asked him a simple question. Would you rather die from being poisoned, or from being stabbed? That's the difference between Democrat and Republican. Either way you're going to die. Either way you're going to suffer.
I got you. In my opinion, just goes to show you how extreme Democrats have gotten in USA. Thanks for explaining a bit about European politics, I like the multi-party systems of some of the European nations, maybe that's what the USA needs.Cool Ram. Nice to have a civil exchange with someone here. Yes, I think a 3rd party is what is needed in the USA. Or one of the big 2 needs to be taken over. But that is not gaonna happen unless a super rich billionnaire grows some morality and re-positions it. But that is not likely due to the nature of being a billionaaire. I think the only way forward is a civil war, so get your guns ready and happy shooting!
And yes, this IS the stupid shlt section, so please no complaints about the subject matter here.
RamDavidson84
12-19-21, 16:52
Let me play interpreter for a moment.
In this case JustTK is correct. There is very little difference between Republican and Democrat. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this is another area where you have no qualifications. Most people don't. Instead, they repeat what they are told. In reality, the difference is minor.
A quick study of US history will show you that the differences are negligible.
Imagine an interstate highway. There are 3 lanes in each direction. The US government drives down the middle lane. When the Democrats are in power, they usually pass in the left lane. When Republicans have the wheel they prefer the right lane. The direction of travel doesn't change.
There have been a few potholes. Republicans backed abolition, Democrats opposed it. Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans opposed it...The history of the Republican and Democratic parties have no bearing on modern American politics. How can any logical educated human being state, "the differences between Republicans and Democrats are minor."
You have forced my hand good sir. I have to be a dick because you posted total non-sense and you did it with a smug attitude. What you have posted is blasphemy. I want to try to give you a pass because your not American and you don't live here so you don't see everyday how divided the nation has become, but certainly you watch the news and you see things like the constant race riots where they literally burn cities down. You must have seen the January 6. Insurrection where thousands of far right wing extremists took over my nation's capital and tried to stop my President from taking office. The policies the Democrats are pushing are beyond extreme to most Republicans. Free Health Care, 7 Trillion $ Federal budget, Green New Deal, Support for slave reparations, No more Oil pipe lines after they have been approved between nations and workers have been hired to start construction, Completely open southern border, Support for immigrant voting rights, No right to defend yourself or your property, Socialism! Socialism! Globalism!! End of nationalism. The list goes on! What the fuck bro? There is absolutely no similarities between the policies of the Republicans and Democrats. They have never been more divided and taken such different stances regarding the issues I just listed. You try to come off like some smug clever guy, but your content just doesn't make sense. And I am definitely not going on some highway rant analogy to prove my point LOL. Recent polls show close to 50% of Americans would not be surprised if a civil war broke out. This is because of the fundamental social and economic policies each party are advocating are so vastly different. I mean if you are comparing Republicans and Democrats to the Soviet Union, ok, yeah then maybe they are kind of similar, but that's like stating the "sky is blue". Are you that out of touch with reality that you think people are so uneducated they don't know the differences between American political systems and that of a failed communist state? I can't grasp this concept that someone actually posted that and claims to follow American politics and tries to come off like an Oxford Scholar in his approach in how he preaches down to people he feels are not qualified.
Oh I forgot, Disclaimer: The above post is the total humble opinion of the very unqualified RamDavidson84. RamDavidson84 cannot be held accountable for the stupidity in the replies to the post above. LOL.
LOL, I didn't want to be a dick again, but you gave me no choice. I get what you guys are arguing, please don't take my post to heart and feel free to roast me as much as you like for anything in my post you disagree agree with.
Let me play interpreter for a moment.
In this case JustTK is correct. There is very little difference between Republican and Democrat. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess this is another area where you have no qualifications. Most people don't. Instead, they repeat what they are told. In reality, the difference is minor.
A quick study of US history will show you that the differences are negligible.
Imagine an interstate highway. There are 3 lanes in each direction. The US government drives down the middle lane. When the Democrats are in power, they usually pass in the left lane. When Republicans have the wheel they prefer the right lane. The direction of travel doesn't change.
There have been a few potholes. Republicans backed abolition, Democrats opposed it. Democrats backed the Civil Rights Act, Republicans opposed it. It wasn't until Reagan came along that it became an us against them issue. The polarization has intensified, but the differences are minor.
The GOP aren't the Saints and the Democrats aren't the devils. They are just 2 groups fighting for power. Neither of them give a crap about you or I. Neither one gives a damn about the country, the Constitution or anything other than being the group that gets to sit in the driver's seat.This may have been mostly true when the choices were between center-right and center-left, like Bush versus Gore. But the differences were huge in the New Deal Era with the Repub objections to "Socialism," as well as the isolationism of the same surrounding the two World Wars. Now the differences couldn't be any more glaring with Trumpism as the dominant angle of the Republicans. The revived "Old Right" isolationism in contrast to the Neocons has played out on the world stage in obvious ways. Conspiracy theory chasing is now the norm, and a stacked conservative SCOTUS is poised to make some big changes that effect many lives. "Elections have consequences" as they say, but if both parties are the same one might as well stay home if the two are the only viable choices. That would have been an awful idea in 2020.
The us versus them stuff definitely predates Reagan. The defining moment for Repubs was when they abandoned their historic commitment to civil rights with the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president, 1964. Since then the two have grown more and more distinct as the liberal / progressive and conservative parties, though there's often been a need to gravitate to the center to win national elections.
There's a guy in the American politics forum in the opinions section called EihTooms. He argues that Republicans through bad economic policies have presided over and / or caused all of the recessions and crashes over the last 100 years. I don't entirely agree but he's mostly right. He's also a big partisan Democrat, so if you want to sharpen your iron on this one in a big way go check him out. And unlike me, he'll argue until the cows come home. I've never seen someone so tireless. Wink.
P.S. As to all major party politicians not caring about their constituents, some surely don't, some care a lot about them, and others have very mixed motives. It's hard to get so black and white when talking about complexities like human character. And it's said that democracies, or democratic republics more specifically represent the best of all the imperfect systems of government, and that's probably true.
Happy Holidays everyone.
Elvis 2008
12-19-21, 20:42
Holy shit. Still talking about vaccines? Just drop it for fuck sakes.LOL. Are you kidding me? We are about to see the stupidest shit of all time. As MDS said, Sweden (Sweden!) is going to start putting chips in people to show they are vaxxed just like was feared. That is a headline right out of the Onion.
Now 10 of the 15 Brooklyn Nets have Covid. New York, the second bluest state there is, is at an all time high with Covid because of those damned unvaxxed Republicans. But all the Brooklyn Nets are vaccinated. Who cares? Wear your masks, stay safe, stay home, social distance, quit your job, half of some NFL teams are infected, those damned unvaxxed Republicans are going to kill us all! Get your damned vaccine you pussies!
Except no one is sick. Yeah, almost all the athletes testing + are not symptomatic.
So Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner and as big a Democratic douche sponsored by Pfizer as there is, just stopped testing for vaccinated players. Yes, after half the players on some teams that were up to 98% vaxxed are testing +, he stopped testing them.
Goodell went on to say, "I do not want to confuse people about the vaccine. I am stopping testing on vaccinated players because I do not want to be the one who is blamed for saying the vaccine does not work to prevent transmission. The more players who test +, the more we look like lying Democratic douches. " Okay he did not say that but he may as well have.
And finally, the NFL players have had enough. Players were polled, and a majority have been bitching to the union to stop all the damned testing. It is one thing to see your fellow players sick and near death, but another when you have worked all year, and half your team mates who are feeling fine have tested + and cannot play.
Even though all the data now has shown this brand of Covid is so mild that it may be less powerful than the flu, all the "science" douches are flipping out. When you got NFL players saying we have had enough of this shit, and their living is their bodies to me, that is a sign that this fucking thing may finally be over.
BlackThought
12-20-21, 04:58
Even though all the data now has shown this brand of Covid is so mild that it may be less powerful than the flu, all the "science" douches are flipping out. When you got NFL players saying we have had enough of this shit, and their living is their bodies to me, that is a sign that this fucking thing may finally be over.Oh I'm with you on that. Lot of people of overreacting about the omicron variant even though symptoms are mild. Arguing about Covid / vaccine is akin to arguing about religion / politics. Don't be a marquis and lets talk about mongering.
MarquisdeSade1
12-20-21, 05:35
LOL. Are you kidding me? We are about to see the stupidest shit of all time. As MDS said, Sweden (Sweden!) is going to start putting chips in people to show they are vaxxed just like was feared. That is a headline right out of the Onion.
Now 10 of the 15 Brooklyn Nets have Covid. New York, the second bluest state there is, is at an all time high with Covid because of those damned unvaxxed Republicans. But all the Brooklyn Nets are vaccinated. Who cares? Wear your masks, stay safe, stay home, social distance, quit your job, half of some NFL teams are infected, those damned unvaxxed Republicans are going to kill us all! Get your damned vaccine you pussies!
Except no one is sick. Yeah, almost all the athletes testing + are not symptomatic.
So Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner and as big a Democratic douche sponsored by Pfizer as there is, just stopped testing for vaccinated players. Yes, after half the players on some teams that were up to 98% vaxxed are testing +, he stopped testing them.
Goodell went on to say, "I do not want to confuse people about the vaccine. I am stopping testing on vaccinated players because I do not want to be the one who is blamed for saying the vaccine does not work to prevent transmission. The more players who test +, the more we look like lying Democratic douches." Okay he did not say that but he may as well have..https://www.newsmax.com/us/newyork-covid19-statesenate/2021/12/19/id/1049294/
ScatManDoo
12-20-21, 06:58
Okay he did not say thatTime waster.
Holy shit. Still talking about vaccines? Just drop it for fuck sakes.
The history of the Republican and Democratic parties have no bearing on modern American politics. How can any logical educated human being state, "the differences between Republicans and Democrats are minor."
You have forced my hand good sir. I have to be a dick because you posted total non-sense and you did it with a smug attitude. What you have posted is blasphemy. I want to try to give you a pass because your not American and you don't live here so you don't see everyday how divided the nation has become, but certainly you watch the news and you see things like the constant race riots where they literally burn cities down. You must have seen the January 6. Insurrection where thousands of far right wing extremists took over my nation's capital and tried to stop my President from taking office. The policies the Democrats are pushing are beyond extreme to most Republicans. Free Health Care, 7 Trillion $ Federal budget, Green New Deal, Support for slave reparations, No more Oil pipe lines after they have been approved between nations and workers have been hired to start construction, Completely open southern border, Support for immigrant voting rights, No right to defend yourself or your property, Socialism! Socialism! Globalism!! End of nationalism. The list goes on! What the fuck bro? There is absolutely no similarities between the policies of the Republicans and Democrats. They have never been more divided and taken such different stances regarding the issues I just listed. You try to come off like some smug clever guy, but your content just doesn't make sense. And I am definitely not going on some highway rant analogy to prove my point LOL. Recent polls show close to 50% of Americans would not be surprised if a civil war broke out. This is because of the fundamental social and economic policies each party are advocating are so vastly different. I mean if you are comparing Republicans and Democrats to the Soviet Union, ok, yeah then maybe they are kind of similar, but that's like stating the "sky is blue"..This post made my day! I'm sorry now that I didn't see it earlier when I would have had more time to reply. I'll try to address as many points as I can, time permitting.
1. The history of US political parties has everything to do with the subject. The United States was founded by wealthy white men for the benefit of wealthy white men. Initially you had to be a wealthy white man to have any say in which wealthy white men get to make the rules. Consider the fact that until the Civil War the balance was deliberately maintained to keep slavery legal. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but US political parties work together to protect the interests of wealthy white men.
2. Point 1 has nothing to do with the people who are aligned with each party. With the exception of a small number of wealthy white men, every voter is just a pawn.
3. I was born in a US Naval hospital, both my parents were born in the US. One side of my family has been in the US for 5 generations. The other side was here for 9 generations before the Revolution. I served 8 years in the US Navy. Except for 1 year living in Colombia, I've lived in the US for nearly 60 years.
4. I don't watch the News. Except for sports and an occasional movie, I don't watch TV. Television is a passive medium. TV goes on and brain goes off. It's why I keep stressing "qualifications. " Anyone can repeat what they've been told. That's precisely what almost everyone does. Very rarely does anyone think about the things they've been told.
5. I never said there isn't political division in the US. In fact I said that it became an us versus them issue with Reagan. Another analogy for you. Two gangs. Both sell drugs. They fight each other. Why? Because the leader of each gang wants to be the one who controls the drug trade. The leaders get all the money and the regular gang members do all the fighting and dying. Neither political party has made huge changes which benefit 99% of Americans. Instead they offer small rewards and blame everything on the other party.
6. The Democratic party doesn't want socialism. People who want socialism, align with the Democratic party. If the DNC wanted socialism they wouldn't have sabotaged Bernie Sanders in 2016. They were willing to lose the 2016 election, rather than risk having Sanders in a position to steer the party left. The GOP only went with Trump because none of their other options had any chance to win.
7. The first step towards learning what's really happening is to turn off your TV. As long as you're being fed your opinions by your favorite talking head, you'll be stuck with only one option when someone disagrees with you. You'll have to resort to being a dick. The reason is simple. You haven't found the answers for yourself, so you have no ammunition for a rebuttal.
8. I'm who I am. I don't make outrageous claims about myself. What I do, which really offends many people, is ask questions. Asking questions is a very cruel thing to do, because it forces the person to choose between thinking for themselves, or to get angry.
That's all the time I have for today. I know I missed a lot of your rant, but most of that was the version you were fed by your favorite television mouthpiece and has very little to do with what has really gone on. Feel free to respond however you wish.
I want to try to give you a pass because your not AmericanYou must be a cretin if you think that after reading his posts. Or, you're a cretin because you didn't read his posts. Either way, he's from the US and you're an otiose cretin.
Captain Solo
12-20-21, 17:02
Beobeo.
Pics look catfish copied from their facebooks, not real, not taken by the poster.
Mr Enternational
12-20-21, 19:42
I want to try to give you a pass because your not American and you don't live here so you don't see everyday how divided the nation has become,The nation is not divided when you are out in the world among the people that live in it. The nation is only divided when you watch TV or get on blog sites. All these politicians that are preaching one thing are busy doing the opposite thing. Rich people are bad; meanwhile their bank accounts are overflowing. Gay marriage has no place in this country; meanwhile they are sneaking around with their same-sex lover. No to abortion; meanwhile they have paid for their side chick to abort the kid they would have fathered. Guns are bad; meanwhile their security is armed to the teeth. Republicans are the spawn of satan and Democrats are the worst thing ever; meanwhile those mfs are at lunch with each other laughing it up when the cameras turn off.
James Carville has it right. He has done all this work for the Democratic party and his wife has done all this work for the Republican party. So the fuck what. Their house is not divided. They can still live under the same roof without hate and having a civil war with each other!
Recent polls show close to 50% of Americans would not be surprised if a civil war broke out.Are you or anyone you know for a civil war? When was the last time you participated in one of these polls? In 50 years of being an American not one has ever come across my desk. Been to jury duty a few times, participated in Nielsen ratings a few times, done polls at the mall for selecting products and movie trailers, even have been a part of Schlesinger for over 13 years and receive daily emails to be in paid focus groups. But I have never had anyone ask me to do one of these political polls that you routinely see the results of on news stations.
I know thousands of people and I have enough guns to carry a different one each day of the month, yet neither myself nor anyone I know is discussing battle plans to go to war with some mfs across town or in another state that believe one thing or another. Most people are just too busy out earning a living to feed their families to put into practice the type of BS that TV and news outlets are trying to sell.
Growing up I would watch all the movies and TV shows and awards shows that told me Hollywood was this magnificent place. Who would not want to be a part of all that glitz and glamor? I was hyped up and sold. Then one day I was in the Navy stationed in San Diego. Drove up to LA to check out this kick ass place called Hollywood. Turns out it was just as normal a neighborhood as anywhere I had seen before.
I walked in to Burger King and placed my order the same way I would have done in any other place on earth. The real Hollywood was nothing like the Hollywood I was sold through TV, movies, and music all of my life. And the real America is not the bullshit they are trying to sell through the same media. Walk outside to see a wide-angle view of what the real America is.
ScatManDoo
12-20-21, 19:54
Growing up I would watch all the movies and TV shows and awards shows that told me Hollywood was this magnificent place. Who would not want to be a part of all that glitz and glamor? I was hyped up and sold. Then one day I was in the Navy stationed in San Diego. Drove up to LA to check out this kick ass place called Hollywood. Turns out it was just as normal a neighborhood as anywhere I had seen before.
I walked in to Burger King and placed my order the same way I would have done in any other place on earth. The real Hollywood was nothing like the Hollywood I was sold through TV, movies, and music all of my life. And the real America is not the bullshit they are trying to sell through the same media. Walk outside to see a wide-angle view of what the real America is.If you want to go to Hollywood and have a memorable experience.
Leave home with more than $2 in your wallet.
Growing up I would watch all the movies and TV shows and awards shows that told me Hollywood was this magnificent place. Who would not want to be a part of all that glitz and glamor? I was hyped up and sold. Then one day I was in the Navy stationed in San Diego. Drove up to LA to check out this kick ass place called Hollywood. Turns out it was just as normal a neighborhood as anywhere I had seen before. Hollywood is not a normal neighborhood. There's a reason it's called Hollyweird. Maybe you went to East Hollywood, which is more or less normal. And West Hollywood. . . don't even get me started, smh.
Captain Solo is posting using a number of different names. They even chime in if you call the posts out.
I don't think anybody is attacking Captain Solo on this point. I had the pleasure of meeting him in Medellin and shared a few beers together. I also exchanged some private messages with him on this very same point.
Moreover, my wingman was drugged and stolen from recently in Cartagena. Worse, I was there with him in the apartment, but I went to sleep a little past midnight, but the misdeed happened a bit later in the night. My wingman wanted to call the police and report the incident but the building management convinced him to forget about it. They were concerned about the bad publicity.
I was not present during the discussion but I agreed with the building management. I did not expect much from the police in Cartagena.
I think what people are saying is that it's the responsibility of the monger to protect their belongings. Once they are stolen, they are gone. Time to learn from that incident and do better next time. As my local buddy says, look at the incident as the price of tuition in the university of life.
Hollywood is not a normal neighborhood. There's a reason it's called Hollyweird. Maybe you went to East Hollywood, which is more or less normal. And West Hollywood. . . don't even get me started, smh.You can find similar neighborhoods around any major city. MrE is correct that what's peddled on TV has no connection to what is going on.
Are you or anyone you know for a civil war? When was the last time you participated in one of these polls?
And the real America is not the bullshit they are trying to sell through the same media. Walk outside to see a wide-angle view of what the real America is.I hear what you say. What do you think then of the chances of any state declaring independence or separating from the USA? Do you thinkk that is more likely? I wonder how it would go down in Washington?
I have never spent time in the USA, but I imagine the experience of walking around the streets of a town / city in Alabama or Missisippi would be quite different to walking around Newy York or Boston.
Captain Solo
12-20-21, 20:59
There is only 1 Captain Solo in this forum.
This guy Kafka is stupid and delusional. He's insulting the bros who post their thoughtful, objective views.
BlackThought
12-20-21, 21:06
Captain Solo is posting using a number of different names. They even chime in if you call the posts out.That's a load of shit. Cap Solo rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but he's legit. He's not a marquis. Several ISG mongers have personally met him and can confirm his trip reports.
This may have been mostly true when the choices were between center-right and center-left, like Bush versus Gore. But the differences were huge in the New Deal Era with the Repub objections to "Socialism," as well as the isolationism of the same surrounding the two World Wars. Now the differences couldn't be any more glaring with Trumpism as the dominant angle of the Republicans. The revived "Old Right" isolationism in contrast to the Neocons has played out on the world stage in obvious ways. Conspiracy theory chasing is now the norm, and a stacked conservative SCOTUS is poised to make some big changes that effect many lives. "Elections have consequences" as they say, but if both parties are the same one might as well stay home if the two are the only viable choices. That would have been an awful idea in 2020.
The us versus them stuff definitely predates Reagan. The defining moment for Repubs was when they abandoned their historic commitment to civil rights with the nomination of Barry Goldwater for president, 1964. Since then the two have grown more and more distinct as the liberal / progressive and conservative parties, though there's often been a need to gravitate to the center to win national elections.
There's a guy in the American politics forum in the opinions section called EihTooms. He argues that Republicans through bad economic policies have presided over and / or caused all of the recessions and crashes over the last 100 years. I don't entirely agree but he's mostly right. He's also a big partisan Democrat, so if you want to sharpen your iron on this one in a big way go check him out. And unlike me, he'll argue until the cows come home. I've never seen someone so tireless..That's a good post.
However, you're confusing advertising with purpose. Look at any advertising. What does it say? It says this product or service will make your life better. What is the purpose of the company? To make your life better? No. To make a profit. The same company that tells us how they are saving the world would happily market products which make your balls drop off if they could make more money.
Now some companies are more ethical about how they make money, but the purpose remains the same.
The same is true with the DNC and GOP. They have the same purpose, maintain power. The only difference is who gets the money.
They each have different reward systems for their adherents. The DNC prefers to use tangible rewards, healthcare, public assistance, infrastructure. The GOP leans towards intangibles, security (from a variety of bogeymen), divine favor and providing an enemy to distract the masses.
Unlimited power for either party would be very bad. In my opinion the decline would be quicker with the GOP in control, but 50-100 years of the DNC with complete control would achieve the same result.
Also in my opinion, the GOP is willing to take bigger risks to take complete control. They see that attitudes are changing away from their chosen method of control (religion, nationalism and bigotry) and they feel the opportunity slipping away.
MarquisdeSade1
12-20-21, 21:36
Captain Solo is posting using a number of different names. They even chime in if you call the posts out.If I was the admin I would ban you for it.
ScatManDoo
12-20-21, 22:33
There is a 1973 movie called The Mack where a trick goes to see a hooker after work on a Friday. He is in the bathtub and she is fully clothed talking about all the things she is going to do to him. (Don't take your clothes off until her clothes are off!) He is closing his eyes relaxing and she is busy stealing his paycheck money out of his pocket. She sneaks out and when he realizes she is gone, he runs outside naked yelling for help about how she just ripped him off and how his wife is going to kill him with the whole neighborhood looking on and laughing.
That movie is an example of how the game really goes. This is real street shit. For some reason some mongers choose to see it as the movie Pretty Woman instead, where they can ride off into the sunset with the hooker with the heart of gold.
Yes you should have expectations that hookers steal, the same way you should have expectations that snakes bite. Again, it comes with the territory, and thinking it does not or should not is just plain naive.Some posters on this board are perpetual rookies for years and years.
RamDavidson84
12-20-21, 22:39
This post made my day! I'm sorry now that I didn't see it earlier when I would have had more time to reply. I'll try to address as many points as I can, time permitting.
1. The history of US political parties has everything to do with the subject. The United States was founded by wealthy white men for the benefit of wealthy white men. Initially you had to be a wealthy white man to have any say in which wealthy white men get to make the rules. Consider the fact that until the Civil War the balance was deliberately maintained to keep slavery legal. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but US political parties work together to protect the interests of wealthy white men.
2. Point 1 has nothing to do with the people who are aligned with each party. With the exception of a small number of wealthy white men, every voter is just a pawn.
3. I was born in a US Naval hospital, both my parents were born in the US. One side of my family has been in the US for 5 generations. The other side was here for 9 generations before the Revolution. I served 8 years in the US Navy. Except for 1 year living in Colombia, I've lived in the US for nearly 60 years.
4. I don't watch the News. Except for sports and an occasional movie, I don't watch TV. Television is a passive medium. TV goes on and brain goes off. It's why I keep stressing "qualifications. " Anyone can repeat what they've been told. That's precisely what almost everyone does. Very rarely does anyone think about the things they've been told.
5. I never said there isn't political division in the US. In fact I said that it became an us versus them issue with Reagan. Another analogy for you. Two gangs. Both sell drugs. They fight each other. Why? Because the leader of each gang wants to be the one who controls the drug trade. The leaders get all the money and the regular gang members do all the fighting and dying. Neither political party has made huge changes which benefit 99% of Americans. Instead they offer small rewards and blame everything on the other party.
6. The Democratic party doesn't want socialism. People who want socialism, align with the Democratic party. If the DNC wanted socialism they wouldn't have sabotaged Bernie Sanders in 2016. They were willing to lose the 2016 election, rather than risk having Sanders in a position to steer the party left. The GOP only went with Trump because none of their other options had any chance to win.
7. The first step towards learning what's really happening is to turn off your TV. As long as you're being fed your opinions by your favorite talking head, you'll be stuck with only one option when someone disagrees with you. You'll have to resort to being a dick. The reason is simple. You haven't found the answers for yourself, so you have no ammunition for a rebuttal..Glad my post made your day. I must admit, I was poking the bear a bit with my post. I still disagree with you on several things. There is a huge difference between the Republican and Democratic Party. I get that to a certain degree the history of nation has shaped our politics, but modern politics is not what it was during the Bush / Clinton Era. The game has changed. My opinion, but I think there is a huge globalist interest in keeping the Democrats in power, and if they are in power, The USA will lose wealth, power, and prestige. China and Latin America are chomping at the bit to watch us falter. I think everyone is kinda gunning for the big dog and I would be very curious to see how much foreign money is tied to the Democratic Party. I don't think the Dems and the Repubs are playing ball together on Foreign Affairs like they used to. When England was at its peak and the colonies rebelled, look how fast France, Spain, and the Netherlands jumped in to help. I think the caravans of hundreds of thousands of people from Latin America are a little suspect, not to Mention how they are allowed to just waltz through Mexico and across the border, sometimes shipped in by planes at night. That seems very strange to me. An extreme viewpoint I know, I don't believe that a 100%, but it does cross my mind.
As far as wealthy white men go, they built the country, they formed the colonies, they won the wars against the natives, it was their land to make those decisions. Now as the masses / sexes / races became more educated and when it was more appropriate, they expanded suffrage, besides the Jim Crow Era. Yea white people fucked up big time on that part and slavery. And the balance of slave / free states was maintained to prevent war and keep the country from splitting apart, I think the original law was the Missouri Compromise of 1820. And those same wealthy white men fought a 4 year war and sacrificed 600,000 lives to keep the country together and free the slaves. Those white men in the North could have easily let the South break away and form their own country and not lifted a finger and lived the good life. Those same wealthy white men did what's right and tried to fix the sins of the nation at great cost, LOL just keep that in mind next time you want to hate on the group of people who have done the most for the country. With that being said, obviously there is also a great deal of privilege for the wealthy white men in this country, but I don't think anyone sits around in either party and conspires to keep white men in power. I think due to that same privilege, white men are more likely to become capitalists, successful politicians, industrialists, etc, and the Political Parties hopefully do work together to protect the wealth, capital, and industry of the country for the benefit of everyone, not just wealthy white men. Hopefully both parties are also working for more opportunity for all races and sexes going forward.
To know what's going on, you have to study the policies each group are advocating. Wether you get that information from the talking heads on CNN or Fox News or any other source is irrelevant because they are still trying to pass legislation based off those policies and that will effect you and your country. Bottom line is the Democrats don't adequately secure the border, advocate free health care, Pass Trillon Dollar spending bills when we are 30 Trillion in debt. It doesn't matter that a talking head told me that or not, the consequences of the Party's actions are what matters.
At the end of the day, our country is far from Perfect, but compared to a lot of other nations, economically we have been incredibly successful, especially with such a diverse population. There's no other first world nation that has our diversity and history and we still manage to make it all work, most of the time. Hopefully we can get through these next few years and end all this bullshit. I agree with Mr. E on the fact that everyday life is not nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be and of course in a million years I would never advocate for a Civil War, but to be honest, I have heard my friends crack jokes about it or say things like "California needs to separate". Even though they are kidding, sometimes you can kinda sense maybe they wouldn't be too upset at such an event. Those polls showing 50% of people think a Civil War may be coming are not something to dismiss so easily.
And I have no problem with you or your smuggness LOL, I am just fuckin around a bit. You don't have to explain yourself to me, I don't take it that serious.
Mr Enternational
12-20-21, 22:39
What do you think then of the chances of any state declaring independence or separating from the USA? Do you thinkk that is more likely?LOL. Maybe I am out of the loop, but nobody that I know or do not know has ever come up to me and said man we need to get ready to take this state independent and asked if I was in.
I have never spent time in the USA, but I imagine the experience of walking around the streets of a town / city in Alabama or Missisippi would be quite different to walking around Newy York or Boston.Same as any other country in my experience. In a small town people will be more curious about you if they have not seen you around before. People in a larger city will be too busy going about their day to give a fuck that you even exist. I walked into the post office in downtown Spokane, Washington to mail myself a postcard. On my way out the security guard struck up a conversation with me asking where I was from. I said how do you know I am not from here? He said because I have never seen you around here before. In LOS Angeles the security guard probably would not even have acknowledged me.
One on one people are just people no matter what background they are from, but somehow when we link up sometimes a group dynamic takes over and we do stupid shit. Sometimes I see stories and think not one person in the group thought this was a bad idea and spoke up about it? They just went along with the bullshit (that they never would have thought about doing had they been alone) as if it was a smart thing to do.
Nobody is going to be calling you a democratic douche or republican whatever the hell when you are the only 2 guys in the bar. You will more than likely be talking about things you have in common like football or craft beer. Just like me and you hanging together. I go eat some meat then I go with you to try to find vegetarian. We don't care anything about the differences until maybe there is a room full of vegetarians and meat eaters together. Then we develop our sects.
Not by asking the Medellin section. Why not ask in one of the Mexico sections.He's a frequent country leader to the Mexican section maybe he got confused? he seems big into fishing, or pussy that smells like fish, or fish stories? Anyway it is entertaining.
RamDavidson84
12-20-21, 22:50
You must be a cretin if you think that after reading his posts. Or, you're a cretin because you didn't read his posts. Either way, he's from the US and you're an otiose cretin.LOL, Your wasting your breath Huacho, because I don't even know what an "otiose cretin" is, count it! Haha.
RamDavidson84
12-20-21, 22:51
LOL. Maybe I am out of the loop, but nobody that I know or do not know has ever come up to me and said man we need to get ready to take this state independent and asked if I was in.
Same as any other country in my experience. In a small town people will be more curious about you if they have not seen you around before. People in a larger city will be too busy going about their day to give a fuck that you even exist. I walked into the post office in downtown Spokane, Washington to mail myself a postcard. On my way out the security guard struck up a conversation with me asking where I was from. I said how do you know I am not from here? He said because I have never seen you around here before. In LOS Angeles the security guard probably would not even have acknowledged me.
One on one people are just people no matter what background they are from, but somehow when we link up sometimes a group dynamic takes over and we do stupid shit. Sometimes I see stories and think not one person in the group thought this was a bad idea and spoke up about it? They just went along with the bullshit (that they never would have thought about doing had they been alone) as if it was a smart thing to do..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AS11SbvLmM
I have never spent time in the USA, but I imagine the experience of walking around the streets of a town / city in Alabama or Missisippi would be quite different to walking around Newy York or Boston.So you have a predetermined viewpoint on a subject about which you know nothing. This is quite similar to the logic you display about COVID. I have probably spent time in whatever country you won't admit to being from, but I'm not going to 'imagine' all the people from your country are incredibly stupid based on a sample size of one.
Let me see if I can come up with a statement of comparable stupidity. 'I have never spent any time in Brazil but I imagine it's quite different than Lithuania, where I also have not spent any time.'
Now, a lot of people would agree with both your statement and my statement, but none of those people's opinions have any validity if they haven't been to any of those places and just heard about them on CNN or Fox News or Al Jazeera or the BBC or whatever.
Mojo Bandit
12-20-21, 23:21
I have only seen one report about how travelers are actually required to show their proof of vaccine. The BM said that he had to show it at the airport to get his boarding pass and that he had to do something related to it on checkmig the Colombian online immigration form. Anyone had any recent experience with this they can share? You can either respond here or you can post it in my thread "Colombia / Travel Coronavirus Updates" which is under the User Blogs section of the Colombia Forum, its where I will post the info once I get it anyway.
Elvis 2008
12-20-21, 23:30
I hear what you say. What do you think then of the chances of any state declaring independence or separating from the USA?Zero because of the dollar. Saddam Hussein held his money in dollars and now the USA hating Venezuela is accepting them. When you have a reserve currency, that alone creates wealth because of demand for your currency. In dollar terms, you have lost half your wealth due to currency devaluation over the last 20 years in Colombia. It is about 70% in Brazil from their peak in 2005, and in Argentina you have lost 99% of it. And that is not even accounting for inflation.
OTOH, in Europe, the Euro has appreciated versus the dollar over that time.
This was actually the work of Alexander Hamilton. He made the dollar a reserve currency and sold debt based upon it. He was able to get a much better rate on dollar based debt than the states could. In fact, people who invested in USA debt made so much Thomas Jefferson got mad. He asked if the USA was going to be a bunch of hard workers or speculators. Eventually, the price of said debt went down and those who invested too much in it got crushed.
You as a state break off and you lose access to the money machine, USA printing press.
I have never spent time in the USA, but I imagine the experience of walking around the streets of a town / city in Alabama or Missisippi would be quite different to walking around Newy York or Boston. You would hear more cursing in New York or Boston for sure, but I traveled all over the country 30 years ago or so for two years, and things did not vary that much. Sure, there were places where the women were prettier, where the local cuisine varied, the climate was better or worse, and people talked a little different, but there are federal standards for things. So you could pretty much walk into any trade and speak the jargon. There is a word or two here or there that is different but most are the same.
And what bugged me was how much the local vendors had become uniform. All the malls had the same big stores and the food courts had the same restaurants. There are travel shows that highlight the differences and there are some but not nearly as much as you would think.
RamDavidson84
12-21-21, 00:04
Zero because of the dollar. Saddam Hussein held his money in dollars and now the USA hating Venezuela is accepting them. When you have a reserve currency, that alone creates wealth because of demand for your currency. In dollar terms, you have lost half your wealth due to currency devaluation over the last 20 years in Colombia. It is about 70% in Brazil from their peak in 2005, and in Argentina you have lost 99% of it. And that is not even accounting for inflation.
OTOH, in Europe, the Euro has appreciated versus the dollar over that time.
This was actually the work of Alexander Hamilton. He made the dollar a reserve currency and sold debt based upon it. He was able to get a much better rate on dollar based debt than the states could. In fact, people who invested in USA debt made so much Thomas Jefferson got mad. He asked if the USA was going to be a bunch of hard workers or speculators. Eventually, the price of said debt went down and those who invested too much in it got crushed.
You as a state break off and you lose access to the money machine, USA printing press.
You would hear more cursing in New York or Boston for sure, but I traveled all over the country 30 years ago or so for two years, and things did not vary that much. Sure, there were places where the women were prettier, where the local cuisine varied, the climate was better or worse, and people talked a little different, but there are federal standards for things. So you could pretty much walk into any trade and speak the jargon. There is a word or two here or there that is different but most are the same..Nice contribution, very good logic to your post that I never considered and cool to hear Jefferson didn't want a nation of speculators / investors. I have always been a fan of the saying "fortune favors the brave". It always rang true to me when studying history.
Nobody is going to be calling you a democratic douche or republican whatever the hell when you are the only 2 guys in the bar. You will more than likely be talking about things you have in common like football or craft beer. Just like me and you hanging together. I go eat some meat then I go with you to try to find vegetarian. We don't care anything about the differences until maybe there is a room full of vegetarians and meat eaters together. Then we develop our sects.That is a good simile. But I meant to point that the country is already split, if not divided. Not just on politics, but on important ideology. Vast area of the nation are enveloped in conservatism / racism / religion. And other parts are more liberal. Or do you think that is just an ignoramus looking in?
So you have a predetermined viewpoint on a subject about which you know nothing. This is quite similar to the logic you display about COVID. I have probably spent time in whatever country you won't admit to being from, but I'm not going to 'imagine' all the people from your country are incredibly stupid based on a sample size of one.
Now, a lot of people would agree with both your statement and my statement, but none of those people's opinions have any validity if they haven't been to any of those places and just heard about them on CNN or Fox News or Al Jazeera or the BBC or whatever.If you are going to continue with your needless insults, you will join your good friends on my banned list.
Who says I know nothing about the USA? I wouldn't have an opinion if I knew nothing about I. You don't need to have been someplace to have knowledge of it. We knew plenty of the moon before we went (assuming you believe they went? We know plenty of the universe too. Doctors know plenty about medical science before they meet their first patient. I knew plenty about sharks before I started diving with them.
"Let me see if I can come up with a statement of comparable stupidity. ".
You managed that and more just by replying.
Zero because of the dollar. Saddam Hussein held his money in dollars and now the USA hating Venezuela is accepting them. When you have a reserve currency, that alone creates wealth because of demand for your currency. In dollar terms, you have lost half your wealth due to currency devaluation over the last 20 years in Colombia. It is about 70% in Brazil from their peak in 2005, and in Argentina you have lost 99% of it. And that is not even accounting for inflation.I don't really understand your logoc here Elvis. A state, say Alaska for example. They could keep the US Dollar as its national currency.
I don't thinkk the loss of value in a currency vs another currency is as important to financial worth as you make it. It only impacts some sectors of the economy.
PedroMorales
12-21-21, 00:37
Let me see if I can come up with a statement of comparable stupidity. 'I have never spent any time in Brazil but I imagine it's quite different than Lithuania, where I also have not spent any time.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_Brazilians
A dangerous lot.
Off topic but, you know when we see (saw) a lovely youtube, what kind of folk gave them the thumbs down? I know thumbs down are haram now but there are folk (teens?) who vote down almost everything for the sake of it. Things ike that keep me awake these nights.
Zero because of the dollar. Saddam Hussein held his money in dollars and now the USA hating Venezuela is accepting them. When you have a reserve currency, that alone creates wealth because of demand for your currency. In dollar terms, you have lost half your wealth due to currency devaluation over the last 20 years in Colombia. It is about 70% in Brazil from their peak in 2005, and in Argentina you have lost 99% of it. And that is not even accounting for inflation.
OTOH, in Europe, the Euro has appreciated versus the dollar over that time.
This was actually the work of Alexander Hamilton. He made the dollar a reserve currency and sold debt based upon it. He was able to get a much better rate on dollar based debt than the states could. In fact, people who invested in USA debt made so much Thomas Jefferson got mad. He asked if the USA was going to be a bunch of hard workers or speculators. Eventually, the price of said debt went down and those who invested too much in it got crushed.
You as a state break off and you lose access to the money machine, USA printing press..As is usually the case Elvis blathers on and on about a subject he knows nothing about. The US Dollar is the world's reserve currency but it had nothing to do with Alexander Hamilton or Thomas Jefferson. It was the result of World War II and the US was the only country that was basically completely intact. Other countries accepted and used the US Dollar as the international exchange mechanism to settle transactions. In fact the US did not have a central bank like most European countries until the just before World War I when the Federal Reserve Bank was created by another Democratic douche named Woodrow Wilson.
But to answer the question that was asked. No states can not "opt" out of the union. It has nothing to do with the currency. A state could use the US Dollar as its currency. Afterall, Panama, Ecuador and several Caribbean countries do exactly that. The reason a state cannot "opt" out of the union is because it is prohibited. We fought a bloody civil war related to this issue and the Southern States were. How shall we say this. Welcomed back into the union looking down the barrel of a gun.
RamDavidson84
12-21-21, 02:37
As is usually the case Elvis blathers on and on about a subject he knows nothing about. The US Dollar is the world's reserve currency but it had nothing to do with Alexander Hamilton or Thomas Jefferson. It was the result of World War II and the US was the only country that was basically completely intact. Other countries accepted and used the US Dollar as the international exchange mechanism to settle transactions. In fact the US did not have a central bank like most European countries until the just before World War I when the Federal Reserve Bank was created by another Democratic douche named Woodrow Wilson.
But to answer the question that was asked. No states can not "opt" out of the union. It has nothing to do with the currency. A state could use the US Dollar as its currency. Afterall, Panama, Ecuador and several Caribbean countries do exactly that. The reason a state cannot "opt" out of the union is because it is prohibited. We fought a bloody civil war related to this issue and the Southern States were. How shall we say this. Welcomed back into the union looking down the barrel of a gun.The Constitution which binds the Union is a "Flexible Document", need I say more? Amendments can be added and eliminated according to the will of the people. So if all the states decided to kick California out, and California wanted its' Independence, they could just add an Amendment to the Constitution, like Women's Voting Rights or the laws on Prohibition. I could never see it happening, but in theory it's possible. But I think what Elvis was referring to was a Civil War in which the laws of the Constitution go straight out the window and all hell breaks loose. I think Elvis is arguing that wouldn't happen because people would come to the conclusion before they rebel that even if they were to successfully fight their way out of the Union, they would have to create a new currency which other nations of the world would not place a very high value on.
Elvis 2008
12-21-21, 02:37
I don't really understand your logoc here Elvis. A state, say Alaska for example. They could keep the US Dollar as its national currency.I think El Salvador was until last year was based on the dollar and so is Ecuador. Are you going to say those countries are as secure investment wise as the USA? What is different about investing in those countries versus Alaska?
I don't thinkk the loss of value in a currency vs another currency is as important to financial worth as you make it. It only impacts some sectors of the economy.No, the soundness of currency affects every business. Debt and currency go hand in hand. No one wants debt backed by Venezuelan Bolivars.
I will give you one example. The amount that you can borrow to buy a home in the USA is for the most part set by the federal government. Banks will lend people money because if someone does not pay on their mortgage, the feds will take the hit not the bank. Before 2007, that was implied but after that it is known as fact.
If Alaska breaks off, they are out of that program. Now no one can borrow money or borrow as cheaply so you cannot sell a home easily, and housing prices fall. Falling housing prices would affect the tax base of many states reliant on property tax, and you would destroy the wealth of homeowners in that state.
The cost to borrow for a car goes up or people cannot get credit to buy cars so car sales go down. So sales tax revenue for the state goes down as well. Whatever currency Alaska adopts is going to have higher interest rates because their currency will not be as sound.
If you want to start a hedge fund and borrow money, now you have access to the Fed dollars. Your state breaks off and you do not. You can borrow from the State Bank of Alaska or Texas but they do not exist yet. So you can kiss the financial industry goodbye as they will pack up and leave and go to a state that is in the union. Those are three huge industries destroyed, and I could go on but I think you get the point.
And in my state of Texas, 40 cents of every dollar in the state budget comes from the Feds. Texas does not have an income tax, but if we were to break off from the Feds, the first thing Texas would do is start an income tax. They would have to, and they would likely put it at a higher rate to make up for the loss of property tax and sales tax revenues.
The commodity world is dominated by dollars. If you put your COP in a box, you would be able to buy half as much commodity wise now as you could 20 years ago before you even looked at the change in pricing. To compensate for that, if you were to put money in the bank, you would demand a high interest rate to keep up. The higher the interest rate given to savers, the higher the bank has to charge people to borrow which devastates the economy. It is very hard to have an economy grow with high interest rates. Remember people in Colombia do not have to invest in Colombian debt. They can buy bonds that pay in dollars.
One of the things that did surprise me about Colombia JustTK is that they have a bit of a credit market. I talked to women who borrowed money to pay for school. On a personal level, I did not hear of anyone having taken out a loan in Peru, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, or Brazil. I think that is because they could not get them.
That is not a good thing by the way. Yes, it is not good to be in debt, but not having a healthy credit market is very, very bad.
MarquisdeSade1
12-21-21, 02:39
LOL. Are you kidding me? We are about to see the stupidest shit of all time. As MDS said, Sweden (Sweden!) is going to start putting chips in people to show they are vaxxed just like was feared. That is a headline right out of the Onion.
Now 10 of the 15 Brooklyn Nets have Covid. New York, the second bluest state there is, is at an all time high with Covid because of those damned unvaxxed Republicans. But all the Brooklyn Nets are vaccinated. Who cares? Wear your masks, stay safe, stay home, social distance, quit your job, half of some NFL teams are infected, those damned unvaxxed Republicans are going to kill us all! Get your damned vaccine you pussies!
Except no one is sick. Yeah, almost all the athletes testing + are not symptomatic.
So Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner and as big a Democratic douche sponsored by Pfizer as there is, just stopped testing for vaccinated players. Yes, after half the players on some teams that were up to 98% vaxxed are testing +, he stopped testing them.
Goodell went on to say, "I do not want to confuse people about the vaccine. I am stopping testing on vaccinated players because I do not want to be the one who is blamed for saying the vaccine does not work to prevent transmission. The more players who test +, the more we look like lying Democratic douches. " Okay he did not say that but he may as well have.
And finally, the NFL players have had enough. Players were polled, and a majority have been bitching to the union to stop all the damned testing. It is one thing to see your fellow players sick and near death, but another when you have worked all year, and half your team mates who are feeling fine have tested + and cannot play.
Even though all the data now has shown this brand of Covid is so mild that it may be less powerful than the flu, all the "science" douches are flipping out. When you got NFL players saying we have had enough of this shit, and their living is their bodies to me, that is a sign that this fucking thing may finally be over.https://amgreatness.com/2021/12/20/in-email-to-fauci-nih-dir-collins-asked-for-media-hit-piece-to-smear-fringe-harvard-stanford-oxford-epidemiologists/
ScatManDoo
12-21-21, 03:24
As is usually the case Elvis blathers on and on about a subject he knows nothing about. The US Dollar is the world's reserve currency but it had nothing to do with Alexander Hamilton or Thomas Jefferson. It was the result of World War II and the US was the only country that was basically completely intact. Other countries accepted and used the US Dollar as the international exchange mechanism to settle transactions. In fact the US did not have a central bank like most European countries until the just before World War I when the Federal Reserve Bank was created by another Democratic douche named Woodrow Wilson.Villainy has a version I agree with.
This version was taught to me when I got my Degree in Economics nearly 40 years ago.
That is a good simile. There is no simile in Mr. E's post. You don't know what a simile is.
Mr Enternational
12-21-21, 05:32
But I meant to point that the country is already split, if not divided. Not just on politics, but on important ideology. Vast area of the nation are enveloped in conservatism / racism / religion. And other parts are more liberal. Or do you think that is just an ignoramus looking in?It is just TV trying to convince people they are split and divided. At the end of the day people around the world just want to work and feed their families.
When I was out at a few stores a minute ago I did not see any conservatism, any liberalism, any religions or racism. I just saw people out buying shit that they needed.
Of course I had a gun on me the same as I have most days for the last 30 years and still managed to get home safely. According to TV, being a Black man I should have been shot and killed by police a long time ago, but I have not even had so much as traffic ticket in the last 21 years. Go figure.
The Constitution which binds the Union is a "Flexible Document", need I say more? Amendments can be added and eliminated according to the will of the people. So if all the states decided to kick California out, and California wanted its' Independence, they could just add an Amendment to the Constitution, like Women's Voting Rights or the laws on Prohibition. I could never see it happening, but in theory it's possible. But I think what Elvis was referring to was a Civil War in which the laws of the Constitution go straight out the window and all hell breaks loose. I think Elvis is arguing that wouldn't happen because people would come to the conclusion before they rebel that even if they were to successfully fight their way out of the Union, they would have to create a new currency which other nations of the world would not place a very high value on.You're partially correct. Except there's no provision to remove anything from the Constitution, which is why another Amendment was needed to repeal prohibition.
For a state to secede would require a 2/3 majority in both houses and ratification by 75% of the states.
Secession probably see many other problems, besides currency. For one, the state wishing to secede would require international trade agreements to trade with any other state.
Regarding your other post, you really need to turn off your TV. So much of your reply was fundamentally flawed, I don't know where to start. I'll touch on a few points.
Canada is more diverse than the US. You should visit Toronto.
From 2019-2020 the US debt increased by $5 T. Where was your and Fox News's outrage then?
Wealthy white men don't fight wars. Those 600,000 deaths were not of wealthy men.
There is nobody talking about free healthcare. The proposal is to remove, or greatly reduce, the approximately $3 trillion in annual corporate profit from the cost of healthcare. I'll happily explain in greater detail when I have more time.
That wide open border, it's the same border we've had for a very long time. If it's such a huge risk to national security, how has the US survived?
That's enough for 1 day.
There is no simile in Mr. E's post. You don't know what a simile is.Of course, this is the simile.
"Just like me and you hanging together. I go eat some meat then I go with you to try to find vegetarian. ".
Do you have to take exception to everything I write? And pretty much always you're wrong. It just makes you a completely iritating bore to exchange with.
I think El Salvador was until last year was based on the dollar and so is Ecuador. Are you going to say those countries are as secure investment wise as the USA? What is different about investing in those countries versus Alaska?
No, the soundness of currency affects every business. Debt and currency go hand in hand. No one wants debt backed by Venezuelan Bolivars.
I will give you one example. The amount that you can borrow to buy a home in the USA is for the most part set by the federal government. Banks will lend people money because if someone does not pay on their mortgage, the feds will take the hit not the bank. Before 2007, that was implied but after that it is known as fact.
One of the things that did surprise me about Colombia JustTK is that they have a bit of a credit market. I talked to women who borrowed money to pay for school. On a personal level, I did not hear of anyone having taken out a loan in Peru, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay, or Brazil. I think that is because they could not get them. That is not a good thing by the way. Yes, it is not good to be in debt, but not having a healthy credit market is very, very bad.I can't talk for those countries in South America. But with most of them being left leaning, I find it hard to beleive that they do not have effective small business loan schemes. In Africa it is a very established system of "micro financing". Indeed one of the major goals of the BRICS is to secure easier access to loans that are not tied in to business wins for the West.
You gave Venezuelan Bolivars as an example of a useless currency. Agreed its useless. But I don't agree its a very relevant example. Alaska could use the USD, or create a currency that is tied to the dollar. Panama does this, so does Belize. Malaysia was also doing it for a while (not sure if they still do). But Alaska would need to create its own banking system. It is rich in resources, I am sure it could easily be financially independent. All taxes raised (private and corporate) would be channelled back in to the state instead of "head office". I don't follow why they would not be able to maintain a property market with their own banking system. Catalonia expects to be able to do the same with Spain, Scotland could do the same with UK, I don't follow why a rich state like Alaska could not do it with the USA.
I did a quick search on micro financing in South America, and there is loads of it:
https://borgenproject.org/microfinance-in-bolivia/
https://www.poverty-action.org/study/trust-and-microfinance-poor-communities-peru
https://www.ifc.org/wps/wcm/connect/news_ext_content/ifc_external_corporate_site/news+and+events / ifc+promotes+microfinance+for+favelas+in+Brazil.
https://www.lmdf.lu/en/what-is-microfinance/our-microfinance-institutions-mfis/
http://www.fundacionparaguaya.org.py/v2/?proyecto=microfinance&lang=en
No, the soundness of currency affects every business. Debt and currency go hand in hand.
Apologies, I missed this point. No it doesn't. Not everything is internationalised. Think about Colombia. To the vast majority of the people, they don't give a shlt what the USD-COP exch rate. Sure, if they want to buy electronic goods, or a car imported from the USA. But most products they buy are locally produced.
Now I know you will counter that the USD-COP rate will mean more tourists, plus cause upward pressure on property prices. Again, this impacts only a tiny fraction of the total domestic market. Very few foriegners are buying property outside of the big 3 or 4 cities, and even there they are in different price sectors to the majority.
Of course, this is the simile.
"Just like me and you hanging together. I go eat some meat then I go with you to try to find vegetarian. ".
Do you have to take exception to everything I write? And pretty much always you're wrong. It just makes you a completely iritating bore to exchange with.Sim·I·LE /712;siməlē noun; a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e. G. , as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox).
Also, "me and you" don't hang together. You and I hang together. And you aren't from a developing country.
Apologies, I missed this point. No it doesn't. Not everything is internationalised. Think about Colombia. To the vast majority of the people, they don't give a shlt what the USD-COP exch rate. Sure, if they want to buy electronic goods, or a car imported from the USA. But most products they buy are locally produced.
Now I know you will counter that the USD-COP rate will mean more tourists, plus cause upward pressure on property prices. Again, this impacts only a tiny fraction of the total domestic market. Very few foriegners are buying property outside of the big 3 or 4 cities, and even there they are in different price sectors to the majority.Do you think currency depreciation, inflation, interest rate are related?
...It is rich in resources, I am sure it could easily be financially independent....Isn't the same apply to Venezuela?
SimILE /712;siməlē noun; a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e. G. , as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox).
Also, "me and you" don't hang together. You and I hang together. And you aren't from a developing country.https://www.grammarly.com/blog/simile/
"You know you've spotted one when you see the words like or as in a comparison. ".
I will pass your grammatical correction on to Mr E; it was his sentence.
Am glad you know where I am from. Maybe you can also convince all the millions of fellow countrymen that live in abject poverty.
Do you think currency depreciation, inflation, interest rate are related?They can influence each other, sure. But interest rate is usually fixed by a central bank / government and any change is a manual adjustment. Same can be for currency exch rate. Depends if its fixed or floating.
Isn't the same apply to Venezuela?Yes, sure. Alaska could face a unilateral trade embargo from the richest nation on Earth, aimed at starving poor people to death so that they revolt and overthrow the government. That's possible. Then no doubt it too would struggle to maintain financial stability and independence.
ScatManDoo
12-21-21, 21:47
According to TV, being a Black man I should have been shot and killed by police a long time ago, but I have not even had so much as traffic ticket in the last 21 years. Go figure.Do you, as the black man you assert to be, believe you would be more likely, or less likely, to be shot and killed by a police officer?
RamDavidson84
12-21-21, 22:18
You're partially correct. Except there's no provision to remove anything from the Constitution, which is why another Amendment was needed to repeal prohibition.
For a state to secede would require a 2/3 majority in both houses and ratification by 75% of the states.
Secession probably see many other problems, besides currency. For one, the state wishing to secede would require international trade agreements to trade with any other state.
Regarding your other post, you really need to turn off your TV. So much of your reply was fundamentally flawed, I don't know where to start. I'll touch on a few points.
Canada is more diverse than the US. You should visit Toronto.
From 2019-2020 the US debt increased by $5 T. Where was your and Fox News's outrage then?
Wealthy white men don't fight wars. Those 600,000 deaths were not of wealthy men.
There is nobody talking about free healthcare. The proposal is to remove, or greatly reduce, the approximately $3 trillion in annual corporate profit from the cost of healthcare. I'll happily explain in greater detail when I have more time.
That wide open border, it's the same border we've had for a very long time. If it's such a huge risk to national security, how has the US survived?
That's enough for 1 day.JBBJAY- I feel very let down and I was expecting much more from you, don't worry I am true believer in second chances. For this time at bat, you have clearly struck out.
The history of European warfare is littered with wealthy noble heroes who have rallied entire armies of white men and led them through hell and back. Alexander the Great, George Patton, George Washington, Andrew Jackson, William the Conqueror, Leonidis, Thor and Odin "They were real right LOL" etc, etc, etc. Too many to list. Come on man, please be true to history and admit there have been an endless amount of wealthy white warriors. Yes, we all know most soldiers are middle / lower class, but plenty of successful white men have chosen a life in the military. As for the Civil War, the wealthy white men forced the poorer white men from the North to fight, they would have lost everything or most of everything if they were not able to conqueror the South before funding and public support in the North was lost, which was very close to happening for the first two years. All the South had to do was last long enough for the North to give up. Kind of classless to try and diminish the deeds of the upper class of America who wouldn't allow the South to keep their evil ways. Those guys were heroes, rich and poor. Both alike made sacrifices, yes the poor much more than the rich though.
You are just flat wrong on Canada being more diverse than the USA, why even argue that in the first place? Why hate on your own country so much? Just be proud we find ways to work together and do things no other nation or people have ever been able to accomplish and against all odds. For example- our citizens coming from all different nationalities, races, ethnicities, LOL genders"2021", ages, etc. The African American population in Canada is around 3.5% I think. Somehow without even looking at statistics I want to say their Latino population is less than ours as well. Be proud bro.
The border was far more secured under Trump and Obama too, surprisingly. And to dismiss the problems of the border is terrible negligence on your part. I don't forgive you on that as it's something I feel very strongly about. If you let millions of undocumented / unskilled immigrants into the country, they will work unskilled jobs and destroy the labor market. A hard working American man will get paid next to nothing because the supply will dwarf the demand and wages will be crushed. And if they do work, they don't pay taxes, not fair and fucks over Americans. Many of those immigrants will also have to send their children to public school which will increase taxes. Eventually those immigrants or their children who are born here will get the right to vote and they will most like vote Democrat which set Dems up to win the next few election cycles until their extremely left and liberal policies destroy the nation, kind of like they are doing now with inflation. The worst part of the border though is the cartels who profit off human trafficking and the drug trade. They are as powerful and rich as the governments of the countries they are from and this leads to those same latin American countries to be destabilized from extremely high rates of political corruption. It is a very good reason why Latin America tends to be much more economically weaker than the USA and Canada. If we allow millions of undocumented immigrants from Latin America, the same problems which are prevalent in their nations will eventually manifest within the United States, and when that happens- we are all fucked. LOL We will all be trying to immigrate back to Europe by then. Oh and the 120,000 drug related border deaths in the last 10 years also kind of sucks, the border is probably not the safest place to live in the USA. Better than St. Louis or Chicago though.
The USA has and will survive, but the open border does not help Americans, and it should be America's choice as to what we do with our border. It should be regulated and immigration should be done fairly and securely. Biden has failed miserably and Kamala is even worse. Her latest interview was pathetic, a shell of a woman. Trump was crazy and not my first choice, but he did the interviews, fought hard through the toxicity from everyone, and still got the job done on what he said he would do, LOL most of the time. Kamala and Joe are weak puppets. Even Joe Manchin turned his back on their crazy spending plans.
Please reply back and laugh off the caravans like Stephen Colbert did on his tv show and just dismiss them and the problems of the American workers. It will just create more division within the nation. Do you think Biden has done a better job at securing the border? You come off as your not concerned at all about border security even though people are ready to storm the capital over the issue.
MarquisdeSade1
12-21-21, 22:25
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/simile/
"You know you've spotted one when you see the words like or as in a comparison. ".
I will pass your grammatical correction on to Mr E; it was his sentence.
Am glad you know where I am from. Maybe you can also convince all the millions of fellow countrymen that live in abject poverty.In Sub Saharan Afrika is that?
Elvis 2008
12-21-21, 22:26
Apologies, I missed this point. No it doesn't. Not everything is internationalised. Think about Colombia. To the vast majority of the people, they don't give a shlt what the USD-COP exch rate.You are looking at things with too narrow a lens. Commodities are priced in dollars. If the COP weakens, all commodities become more expensive, and the average Colombian is paying more for sugar, cotton, corn ETC.
RamDavidson84
12-21-21, 22:30
Yes, sure. Alaska could face a unilateral trade embargo from the richest nation on Earth, aimed at starving poor people to death so that they revolt and overthrow the government. That's possible. Then no doubt it too would struggle to maintain financial stability and independence.The USA isn't the European Union. If a state seceded from the Union, it means total war has broken out. It would be the total opposite of Brexit. I could never see states or the Federal government agreeing on letting a state leave the Union. The financial logistics would be a nightmare alone. With that being said, it would probably be in the states' best interest to have a different currency from the Nation it just fought a war against or peacefully seceded from as it would most likely want to be as independent as possible from the USA. An example of my point is the Soviet Union, most former soviet republics did not adopt the Russian Ruble, except for Belarus. They all formed their own currencies so they would no longer be sucking the tit of "Mother Russia" or not economically dependent on an unstable former superpower. Just my two cents, this isn't my area of expertise.
Mr Enternational
12-22-21, 00:05
Do you, as the black man you assert to be, believe you would be more likely, or less likely, to be shot and killed by a police officer?Not likely as I see it. I have thought as much about being shot by a police officer as being shot by a flying spaghetti monster. Just not something I am concerned about. And I am from the south.
You are looking at things with too narrow a lens. Commodities are priced in dollars. If the COP weakens, all commodities become more expensive, and the average Colombian is paying more for sugar, cotton, corn ETC.That's just not true. Ok, I will give you an opportunity to demonstrate that your correct. Please explain how a weakening COP exerts upward price pressure on the price of coffee. Or the price of a house in Huila.
ScatManDoo
12-22-21, 00:49
Do you, as the black man you assert to be, believe you would be more likely, or less likely, to be shot and killed by a police officer?
Not likely as I see it. I have thought as much about being shot by a police officer as being shot by a flying spaghetti monster. Just not something I am concerned about. And Ia m from the south.I did not ask if you were likely to get shot and killed by police.
I don't think most black men are likely to be shot and killed by police. A majority of people are never shot in their lifetimes, including black men.
What I asked was if you believed you are more likely to be shot and killed by a police officer (compared to non-black men).
Maybe you believe it only works for you to dodge questions.
You may not have believed your neighbors.
Do you also not believe in statistics?
The USA isn't the European Union. If a state seceded from the Union, it means total war has broken out. It would be the total opposite of Brexit. I could never see states or the Federal government agreeing on letting a state leave the Union. The financial logistics would be a nightmare alone.But you are assuming a war here, like its a condition of independence. Countless historical events have taken place that, if you had asked people just before they happened, they would have thought be impossible to occur.
I can envisage a world without borders, where everyone is free to live and work where they want. Freedom of opportunity. I can't enviage it populated with the kind of people that share their views here though. Hehe.
RamDavidson84
12-22-21, 01:17
But you are assuming a war here, like its a condition of independence. Countless historical events have taken place that, if you had asked people just before they happened, they would have thought be impossible to occur.
I can envisage a world without borders, where everyone is free to live and work where they want. Freedom of opportunity. I can't enviage it populated with the kind of people that share their views here though. Hehe.You are correct, I am assuming for a state in the USA to gain Independence, a war is really the only way I could ever see that happening. There is no Precedent of a state leaving the Union. The USA adds states, it don't lose them. Uncle Sam won't allow it LOL. In all seriousness though, I base my assumption off of a lifetime of living in the USA. And I could really never see a Civil War happening either, I think all Americans are too used to the luxury lifestyle they have become accustomed too- for them to ever advocate for war on their front lawns. Modern Americans have gone soft from a high quality of life. I also think if a state wanted to leave the USA, it would be viewed as Treason and the citizens of the state as traitors and committing unconstitutional acts of defiance. I don't think an Independence Movement for an individual state could ever gain enough public support to get through Congress. Which ever Political Party is in office is most likely going to be viewed as a failure for allowing a state to leave the Union and they wouldn't advocate for it. Think of how King George the 3rd felt so much shame for losing the colonies that he lost his mind over it and died in shame. If I had to choose a more likely scenario, I would say war is more likely than a peaceful separation for a state. Now, for states, provinces, oblasts, etc. Of other sovereign nations, of course history has showed both Civil Wars and Legal Independence movements have had numerous successful precedents.
And I agree 100% about people never suspecting monumental historical events before they occur. You never know, history repeats itself and its' pages are littered with the wars of the past.
I think a totally free world like that would be fucking awesome, but from a realistic view, impossible to implement any time soon. A very cool world to think about though. Musk, Besos, and Gates will get us there haha.
MarquisdeSade1
12-22-21, 01:23
But you are assuming a war here, like its a condition of independence. Countless historical events have taken place that, if you had asked people just before they happened, they would have thought be impossible to occur.
I can envisage a world without borders, where everyone is free to live and work where they want. Freedom of opportunity. I can't enviage it populated with the kind of people that share their views here though. Hehe.Boot licker to the slave masters and oligarchs.
http://www.thecritique.com/articles/bernie-sanders-the-koch-brothers-open-borders-2/
Elvis 2008
12-22-21, 01:24
That's just not true. Ok, I will give you an opportunity to demonstrate that your correct. Please explain how a weakening COP exerts upward price pressure on the price of coffee. Or the price of a house in Huila.That is easy. You are a Colombian coffee farmer. You can sell to Starbucks who pays you in rock solid dollars or you can sell to the local merchant who pays in COP. The local merchant over time is going to have to pay you more COP to compensate, and he passes on his costs to the consumer.
I did not ask if you were likely to get shot and killed by police.
I don't think most black men are likely to be shot and killed by police. A majority of people are never shot in their lifetimes, including black men.
What I asked was if you believed you are more likely to be shot and killed by a police officer (compared to non-black men).
Maybe you believe it only works for you to dodge questions.
You may not have believed your neighbors.
Do you also not believe in statistics?Yeez, your question is ridiculous. Take the hint and stop embarrassing yourself.
Boot licker to the slave masters and oligarchs.
You are talking about gloablisation. I am talking about internationalism. You are talking exploitation. I am talking emancipation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjK2UDjR4-U
ScatManDoo
12-22-21, 04:21
That is easy. You are a Colombian coffee farmer. You can sell to Starbucks who pays you in rock solid dollars or you can sell to the local merchant who pays in COP. The local merchant over time is going to have to pay you more COP to compensate, and he passes on his costs to the consumer.A good businessperson will not have the same price for different customers of unequal resources.
My experience in Tijuana mongering is that many chicas offer one price to gringos that is often much higher than what she accepts from poorer locals.
She probably would want to get the higher gringo rates from all her customers.
But if some can just pay local rates, they still get to fuck her, until she runs out of pussy.
You are a Colombian coffee farmer. You can sell to Starbucks who pays you in rock solid dollars or you can sell to the local merchant who pays in COP. The local merchant over time is going to have to pay you more COP to compensate, and he passes on his costs to the consumer.For simplicity sake, let's suppose a coffee farmer has a choice to sell to the Colombian supermarkets or to Starbucks International. The coffee farmer sells the coffee in COP, not in USD. So let's say the famrer wants COP 100.000 for a bag. This used to be worth USD 30, but now it is worth USD 20.
So Starubucks pays USD 20 in exchange for COP 100.000 and buys the coffee. Starbucks makes more profit than before, which it could give to shareholders, or pass on to customers in the form of lower prices, or pass on to staff with higher wages. It would depend what pressure it feels. Starbucks is not going to pay more for the coffee in COP just because it can. That is one option that certainly would not happen. That makes no sense whatsoever to a profit orientated business.
The Colombian supermarkets meanwhile would pay COP 100.000 for the coffee, no different than before.
If Starbucks is in competition with the Colombian supermarkets, then it could reduce its prices to win customers from the supermarkets.
I am really failing to see why the prices go up. Perhaps you could explain what "compensation" you think the local buyers must pay. And don't forget also that prices only go up if there are no other cheaper coffee suppliers, and if local customers that will pay the increase.
SimILE /712;siməlē noun; a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid (e. G. , as brave as a lion, crazy like a fox).
Also, "me and you" don't hang together. You and I hang together. And you aren't from a developing country.And that reminded me of this:
https://youtu.be/snS-FUhbyYE
Isn't the same apply to Venezuela?Alaska is a bad example. It has a population density of 1 person per square mile. Much of the state is inaccessible for much of the year. They aren't self-sufficient in most things. If not for natural resources, it wouldn't be a state, which is also the case with New Mexico. I am not certain, but those natural resources are probably owned by the US government, which is the case with the Natural gas in New Mexico.
...I am really failing to see why the prices go up. ...It is cheaper so Starbucks buys more from Colombia and buy less elsewhere. That creates demand and will increase the price for local consumer.
JBBJAY- I feel very let down and I was expecting much more from you, don't worry I am true believer in second chances. For this time at bat, you have clearly struck out.
The history of European warfare is littered with wealthy noble heroes who have rallied entire armies of white men and led them through hell and back. Alexander the Great, George Patton, George Washington, Andrew Jackson, William the Conqueror, Leonidis, Thor and Odin "They were real right LOL" etc, etc, etc. Too many to list. Come on man, please be true to history and admit there have been an endless amount of wealthy white warriors. Yes, we all know most soldiers are middle / lower class, but plenty of successful white men have chosen a life in the military. As for the Civil War, the wealthy white men forced the poorer white men from the North to fight, they would have lost everything or most of everything if they were not able to conqueror the South before funding and public support in the North was lost, which was very close to happening for the first two years. All the South had to do was last long enough for the North to give up. Kind of classless to try and diminish the deeds of the upper class of America who wouldn't allow the South to keep their evil ways. Those guys were heroes, rich and poor. Both alike made sacrifices, yes the poor much more than the rich though..Prepare to be disappointed again.
Do you understand the concept of "chain of command" as it applies to military organization? If you served in the military you probably do, otherwise you probably don't.
The leaders of armies don't do the fighting. Occasionally, the fighting comes to them, but they aren't the ones doing the fighting. You might want to reexamine your history books.
Let's use Washington as an example. He traveled with his servants, who made certain he remained clean, warm, comfortable and well fed. During battles he remained well away from the fighting, in a safe and protected spot where he could observe the battle and have his senior officers signal orders to each battalion. All of that is necessary, except for the servants. However, it also means there is a huge fundamental difference between directing a war and fighting a war.
The border. I've been hearing how the illegals are destroying the US for at least 35 years. They sure are taking their sweet time.
From 1995-2002 I frequently hired one or more of those horrible illegals for casual labor. I paid between $10-$15 per hour, 20 years ago. I hired them for one simple reason, it was difficult to find any Americans who were willing to do hard, physical labor, often in brutally hot weather. If you could find them, they were often drunks, drug addicts or thieves who would quit after 4 hours.
Today the labor situation is much worse. Everyone is searching for employees and not finding them. I remember a time when you sent out 20 resumes to get 3 interviews and it took 5 or more interviews to get hfind someone to hire you. Today I can have 10 offers by just looking at 10 jobs. So your "they're going to take all the jobs argument carries no water.
Two points on "they don't pay taxes.
1. If they are working so cheap they are bringing pay down, they aren't earning enough to owe taxes.
2. They pay taxes, every time they buy something. Meanwhile, go look up Foxconn Wisconsin, or Carrier. We literally give billions in tax revenue away and get little or nothing in return.
I understand. Fox News says the open borders and illegals are destroying us and you're obligated to repeat it. However, you really should think instead of running around barking like a Chihuahua every time they tell you the sky is falling.
I noticed you neglected to keep beating the "free healthcare" drum. Was that an oversight, or did you realize you don't understand the subject?
You also forgot to answer my question. You're so concerned about the budget and the debt, but from 2019-2020 the debt increased by $5 trillion (more than a 20% increase). Where was your outrage about spending then?
My guess is that Fox News wasn't telling you that you were supposed to be outraged so you didn't notice.
Almost forgot something. How did that border become wide open again if Trump secured it. Did the fences evaporate? Were all those C&BP officers abducted by aliens? I understand, again, that Fox News said it, so it must be true, but how did it happen in just a matter of months?
Since you're so bothered by excessive budgets, can you tell me how the border can be secured without an even bigger budget?
Moving to my final point for today, let's hear an inflation explanation from you. Specifically, I want to know how Biden is responsible for inflation when the fiscal year started on October 1?
It is cheaper so Starbucks buys more from Colombia and buy less elsewhere. That creates demand and will increase the price for local consumer.Fair point. But that assumes inelastic supply and elastic demand. If there was more demand for colombian coffee, they would increase supply. And if suppliers tried to increase prices, there would be decreased demand. Both these factors would work for price equillibrium.
PedroMorales
12-22-21, 14:39
Is the world standard. Other coffees are based around it, much as Brent Crude is used in oil. There is no shortage of demand for Colombian coffee and Mexico etc find it a ceiling they have to punch through. Hw about talking about what you know about, or lay off the white stuff.
Being a gentleman I, of course, prefer tea which can be horridly expensive as any Arab prince can tell you. That said, Assian mountain coffee is good (like this, in small doses, of course).
JBBJAY- I feel very let down and I was expecting much more from you, don't worry I am true believer in second chances. For this time at bat, you have clearly struck out.
The history of European warfare is littered with wealthy noble heroes who have rallied entire armies of white men and led them through hell and back. Alexander the Great, George Patton, George Washington, Andrew Jackson, William the Conqueror, Leonidis, Thor and Odin "They were real right LOL" etc, etc, etc. Too many to list. Come on man, please be true to history and admit there have been an endless amount of wealthy white warriors. Yes, we all know most soldiers are middle / lower class, but plenty of successful white men have chosen a life in the military. As for the Civil War, the wealthy white men forced the poorer white men from the North to fight, they would have lost everything or most of everything if they were not able to conqueror the South before funding and public support in the North was lost, which was very close to happening for the first two years. All the South had to do was last long enough for the North to give up. Kind of classless to try and diminish the deeds of the upper class of America who wouldn't allow the South to keep their evil ways. Those guys were heroes, rich and poor. Both alike made sacrifices, yes the poor much more than the rich though..Oops. I forgot one thing: Ethnic diversity.
The ethnic fractionalization rating for Canada is 0.71.
The ethnic fractionalization rates for the US is 0.49.
Fractionalization rating is the probability that 2 random individuals do not belong to the same group. A perfectly diverse country has a fractionalization rating of 1. A country with absolutely no diversity has a fractionalization rating of 0.0.
I repeat, Canada is much more ethnically diverse than the US.
Oh, your last line about people ready to storm the Capitol, people already stormed the Capitol. They stormed the Capitol because they blindly accepted the bullshit they had been fed without bothering to question it. They were idiots. If more idiots want to storm the Capitol over different bullshit that anyone with half a brain can recognize as bullshit, we'll just have to make more room in the prisons for them.
Fair point. But that assumes inelastic supply and elastic demand. ...That is what I point out in your earlier reply.
.. And if suppliers tried to increase prices, there would be decreased demand. Both these factors would work for price equillibrium.There is a 10 USD range in your example so what you said likely won't happen before it gets over 30 USD.
RamDavidson84
12-23-21, 02:04
Prepare to be disappointed again.
Do you understand the concept of "chain of command" as it applies to military organization? If you served in the military you probably do, otherwise you probably don't.
The leaders of armies don't do the fighting. Occasionally, the fighting comes to them, but they aren't the ones doing the fighting. You might want to reexamine your history books.
Let's use Washington as an example. He traveled with his servants, who made certain he remained clean, warm, comfortable and well fed. During battles he remained well away from the fighting, in a safe and protected spot where he could observe the battle and have his senior officers signal orders to each battalion. All of that is necessary, except for the servants. However, it also means there is a huge fundamental difference between directing a war and fighting a war.
The border. I've been hearing how the illegals are destroying the US for at least 35 years. They sure are taking their sweet time.
From 1995-2002 I frequently hired one or more of those horrible illegals for casual labor. I paid between $10-$15 per hour, 20 years ago. I hired them for one simple reason, it was difficult to find any Americans who were willing to do hard, physical labor, often in brutally hot weather. If you could find them, they were often drunks, drug addicts or thieves who would quit after 4 hours.
Today the labor situation is much worse. Everyone is searching for employees and not finding them. I remember a time when you sent out 20 resumes to get 3 interviews and it took 5 or more interviews to get hfind someone to hire you. Today I can have 10 offers by just looking at 10 jobs. So your "they're going to take all the jobs argument carries no water.
Two points on "they don't pay taxes.
1. If they are working so cheap they are bringing pay down, they aren't earning enough to owe taxes.
2. They pay taxes, every time they buy something. Meanwhile, go look up Foxconn Wisconsin, or Carrier. We literally give billions in tax revenue away and get little or nothing in return.You make some decent points and there is some truth to some of your arguments, but I still disagree with most of what you have said.
LOL, Someone doesn't need to have served in the military to understand a simple concept like chain of command. You being a military man should know, All of those men I listed weren't hired right away as generals or battlefield commanders. You needed to work your way up to those positions by fighting in combat, leading men in combat, or somehow distinguishing yourself as worthy to lead an army. As for Washington, he fought in the French and Indian War prior to Revolution which was one of the reasons he selected to lead the Colonial Army. You should read up on the campaigns of Washington, you would realize 18th century warfare was anything but clean, warm, and comfortable no matter what role you were serving. You were still out in the wilderness for months at a time with no heat, shitty food, and never knowing when your next battle might be and if that will be your last. Ever worry about being scalped by a native American, probably not, but I am sure Washington did throughout the whole war as many Native Americans allied with the British. Washington took on the superpower of his time with ordinary civilians and had they lost and Washington been caught, he would have been executed. He selflessly risked it anyway. And it's well documented Washington on numerous occasions fought alongside his men and had to be held back by his own soldiers on the battlefield. After one battle his horse was shot out from under him and musket balls pierced his coat. Have some love for Gorgeous George and BJJB69 haha.
The border crisis and liberal government handouts are causing the labor shortage. The reason you can't find quality workers in the labor market is because wages have been driven so low by the influx of immigrants who will work those jobs for 15 $ an hour. Take away the millions of undocumented immigrants and those wages will increase and you will see a higher quality of worker. That being said, not all manual laborers are unreliable drug addicts / drunks. There is some truth to it, but I know many decent people who work running their own business like landscaping, framing, demolition, Concrete, home repair, handyman, etc, etc, etc. They are a back bone of any economy. All those businesses suffer due to the huge amount of competition from foreign labor. Immigrant labor also hurts Union labor as well and steals jobs from them. Again, if you raise wages, more people will come work these jobs, not just the drug addicts LOL. Why would anyone want to work all day at 15 an hour when sleepy joe will pay them twice as much on unemployment or some other handout while they sit at home and live off the government. As for the taxes, number 1, it's unfair. Why would you make an American pay taxes, even if its a very small amount, and then let immigrants work and pay no taxes? Secondly, even if they are paying some form of taxes through sales tax, their children are getting an education from American tax payers at roughly $20,000 a year per child. That's not fair either. We obviously have massive massive massively different viewpoints on the border, I just can't understand how any American could condone all the endless resources the local state and city resources those border towns use to try and deal with the overflow of immigrants effecting their communities.
The border went wide open after Biden eliminated Trump's policy of separating Parents from Children and forcing them to stay in Mexico "If the kids were really even the children of the Parents", threatening to remove funding from Central American countries if they didn't cooperate with the border crisis, not nationally chastising the border agents just because they rode horses and whipped Haitian immigrants who were non-compliant and trying to illegally cross into our nation and break the law, actually detaining the illegals in cages / holding cells / whatever instead of just releasing them into the country to never return for their court dates. The reasons are numerous and there is no debate here, Trump did a far better job at securing the border.
Just prior to the Pandemic, yes we increased the debt by 4.2 Trillion, not 5 trillion, and that historical raise was due to a historic pandemic. Those funds were necessary to keep the economy going and people safe while we were still dealing with the unknown and a 6-week lockdown. How much did the debt increase Trump's first 3 years in office? Did he get into office and ask for 7 fucking Trillion, 7 fucking Trillion! After we put up 4 fucking Trillion! Highest inflation in 39 years and you want to pass a 7 Trillion dollar bill, I am no economist, but that sounds fucking retarded. Yea, we have a huge labor short shortage because wages have been destroyed by foreign labor and lets go pay people to stay at home with a 7 Trillion dollar bill. It just makes no sense, other than Biden is trying to buy votes for the next election because he can't get votes any other way. It's like he is purposely trying to impoverish a large percentage of the population to make them dependent on government handouts to secure the future elections for Democrats. I am not saying that is 100% true, but it does cross my mind, I just can't see the reason for a 7 Trillion dollar bill, or a 2 Trillion dollar bill with the labor market and inflation the way it is.
Healthcare- I didn't like Obamacare, the 500 $ fine many of my friends paid or almost had to pay was a joke. To force people who didn't want to have health insurance was a joke. American is the land of opportunity, if you're even semi healthy and even slightly motivated, you can work enough to afford health insurance. If you are unfit to work, there is or should be programs to provide you health insurance, but Obamacare was far too broad. I am not paying health insurance for some woman who has 3 kids with 4 dads and expects the government to pay her way through life. Sorry, we need to keep some form of personal responsibility and hold irresponsible people accountable for their life decisions. I also didn't like how for years straight after Obamacare, my health insurance went through the roof when I looked at my pay stubs. It wasn't fair. All that being said, I am not the expert on this subject, Jb-please feel free to explain the economics behind the current policy for the healthcare the Democrats are advocating. I am genuinely curious to hear you response.
Yes Biden is directly responsible for a large percentage of the current inflation taking place. Read the following article because I can't write this much LOL. https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/581101-voters-are-correct-biden-is-to-blame-for-inflation?rl=1.
Your statistics on Canada are flawed because they are counting people ethnicity as different between whites. So it is taking into account the nation ancestry of whites- English, Irish, Scottish, German, French, Russian, etc. All these groups are no at least 3rd generation and they should be considered racially the same, for real world practical diversity arguments-they are the same. They should be grouped together as Caucasian. Lets look at the real world, practical break down of Canada's diversity.
Caucasian- 72.9%.
Black- 3.5%.
Latinos- 5%.
Asian- 18%.
USA.
Caucasian- 62.8%.
Black-14.5%.
Latino- 18%.
Asian- 5.4%.
Canada is not more diverse than the USA, but ok, lets say you are right. USA per capita GDP is much higher, $69,000 to $52,000. Canada is weaker economically, not even close. Ok lets throw that out the window too, fuck it. I argued no other first world nation is more diverse than USA. So out of the the dozens of first world nations, you found 1, good job. It still doesn't really disprove my point that Americans can work together and achieve great success. Technically your right, Canada may be more diverse, but your like the geeky weird in class who calls out to correct some minuscule thing the teacher got wrong, only to make himself look like a dorky weirdo with no friends to even point out something so trivial and meaningless and it doesn't really make a difference to the main point the teacher was trying to make. You just look weird even trying to point this out, and you point it out with obscure impractical statistics.
You did have some good points though, the dudes who stormed the capital are def idiots, and my apologies for being harsh on immigration. There is a lot positive aspects about having a Latino community of immigrants and they are good people with good hearts and if I sound like an asshole, its because I am sometimes haha. I fully support a legal fair system of immigration.
RamDavidson84
12-23-21, 04:19
You make some decent points and there is some truth to some of your arguments, but I still disagree with most of what you have said.
The border went wide open after Biden eliminated Trump's policy of separating Parents from Children and forcing them to stay in Mexico "If the kids were really even the children of the Parents", threatening to remove funding from Central American countries if they didn't cooperate with the border crisis, not nationally chastising the border agents just because they rode horses and whipped Haitian immigrants who were non-compliant and trying to illegally cross into our nation and break the law, actually detaining the illegals in cages / holding cells / whatever instead of just releasing them into the country to never return for their court dates. The reasons are numerous and there is no debate here, Trump did a far better job at securing the border.Correction- *I meant to say "whipped at Haitian Immigrants", meaning they spun their whips at the immigrants, not actually whipping them with their whips*.
You make some decent points and there is some truth to some of your arguments, but I still disagree with most of what you have said.
LOL, Someone doesn't need to have served in the military to understand a simple concept like chain of command. You being a military man should know, All of those men I listed weren't hired right away as generals or battlefield commanders. You needed to work your way up to those positions by fighting in combat, leading men in combat, or somehow distinguishing yourself as worthy to lead an army. As for Washington, he fought in the French and Indian War prior to Revolution which was one of the reasons he selected to lead the Colonial Army. You should read up on the campaigns of Washington, you would realize 18th century warfare was anything but clean, warm, and comfortable no matter what role you were serving. You were still out in the wilderness for months at a time with no heat, shitty food, and never knowing when your next battle might be and if that will be your last. Ever worry about being scalped by a native American, probably not, but I am sure Washington did throughout the whole war as many Native Americans allied with the British. Washington took on the superpower of his time with ordinary civilians and had they lost and Washington been caught, he would have been executed. He selflessly risked it anyway. And it's well documented Washington on numerous occasions fought alongside his men and had to be held back by his own soldiers on the battlefield. After one battle his horse was shot out from under him and musket balls pierced his coat. Have some love for Gorgeous George and BJJB69 haha..I'm done.
I can teach anyone how to juggle, as long as they have 2 functional arms and hands and provided they aren't blind. I've taught many different things. I once taught a 19 year old Japanese girl how to drive a manual transmission. I'm pretty good at teaching and explaining, but it only works if the other person has the ability to understand.
I'm not trying to be insulting, but you've taken some simple things and ended up in some fantasy land. Here are some examples.
Military leaders don't become leaders because they were great fighters. With very few exceptions they begin in a position of authority and move up to positions of greater authority. Leadership principles are a completely different skill set than battlefield prowess. Here's a football analogy:
Tom Brady is considered, by many, to be the greatest quarterback of all time. His skills are most effective when he is playing quarterback. You don't pull him off the field and have him take over as the coach. There are some coaches who were great players at one time, but they don't get a head coaching job based on their playing ability.
This same concept can be found all over. The CEO of Southwest Airlines didn't get the position because he was the best pilot.
This is not disrespect for Washington. It's simply recognizing his needed skills.
I'll summarize my response to your border diatribe with one simple sentence:
The ends do not justify the means.
You don't physically or emotionally abuse people. You don't torture people. You don't take children away from their parents and lock them in cages. You don't go to court and argue that you aren't obligated to provide basic essentials to the people who you locked up in cages. Anyone who supports any of those things is a much bigger threat to the US than all the people in Central America. I would take 1000 illegal immigrants over 1 disgusting pig of a human being who believes treating children worse than animals is a good thing.
Healthcare, universal, single payer or "free" as you like to call it, is ridiculously simple. Even Colombia figured it out. However, you first have to believe that human beings deserve to be treated like human beings. You've already declared that human beings should be treated like animals whenever possible, so I doubt your ability to understand.
Colombia decided that healthcare was a basic human right. To me it's simple. You don't treat medical issues based upon a person's ability to pay. You don't decide who gets to live, based on profitability. The best thing is, it costs less.
A good analogy is what frequently happens after any natural disaster. It's also something that happened at the beginning of the pandemic. People went out and bought as much of hand sanitizer and masks as they could, creating a shortage and then sold the stuff at greatly inflated prices. Profiteering. That's how our current healthcare system works.
After every doctor, nurse, janitor and receptionist gets paid, after every bedpan and catheter is paid for, after every single dollar required to be spent on healthcare is figured up, about $3 trillion is added to the bill to ensure shareholder profit.
That $3 T comes out of everyone's pocket. All who are on Medicare or Medicaid, all who receive care through the Veterans Administration, everything includes a markup for the shareholders. If I remember correctly, at some point in the past Congress passed a law making it illegal to negotiate for lower prices for Medicare and Medicaid patient's treatment. All the drugs dispensed by military doctors, big price markups.
On ethnic diversity, when you're the one doing the study you can decide what qualifies as an ethnic group. You don't get to decide, just because it doesn't agree with your opinion.
According to you, there is no ethnic or cultural difference between white people from Finland and white people from Italy.
The US has not had a large influx of white immigrants for a long time. It hasn't had a large number of black immigrants either (slaves don't count). If you pick 2 random white people in the US, there's a high probability they identify as American. Canada accepts more, per capita immigrants, from all over. If you pick 2 random white people in Canada there's a lower probability they both identify as Canadian. When you add it all up, Canada is more ethnically diverse.
That's not picking out some insignificant detail. You said the US is the most ethnically diverse country in the world. You were wrong. It's as simple as that. I didn't go out and find the one country that's more diverse. I pointed out that a country I've visited over 500 times is more diverse. When you disagreed, I looked up the figures. Then you decided you were still right because you don't understand how diversity is measured.
For the record, there are many other countries with more ethnic diversity than the US or Canada. There are also many with less.
... Technically your right, Canada may be more diverse, but your like the geeky weird in class who calls out to correct some minuscule thing the teacher got wrong, only to make himself look like a dorky weirdo with no friends to even point out something so trivial and meaningless and it doesn't really make a difference to the main point the teacher was trying to make. You just look weird even trying to point this out, and you point it out with obscure impractical statistics.I think you described JJairhead to a tee. He reminds me of a kid who is made to behave in the presence of his parents; but outside their presence, he acts up to say to everyone "Hey, look at me". Just look at how he inserts himself into every conversation, even one's he knows nothing about.
Mr Enternational
12-23-21, 18:07
The reason you can't find quality workers in the labor market is because wages have been driven so low by the influx of immigrants who will work those jobs for 15 $ an hour. Take away the millions of undocumented immigrants and those wages will increase and you will see a higher quality of worker.Depends on how you define a quality worker. Is someone that dropped out of school and demanding McDonald's pay them $20 per hour a quality worker? And I do not think wages is the problem because I have contacted several people to do different kinds of work on my house and car during this pandemic. These people make their own prices and some declined the work and some that I made appointments with never showed up. Some are simple jobs that I can do myself, but I am trying to spread the money. And some of these people are immigrants.
Why would anyone want to work all day at 15 an hour when sleepy joe will pay them twice as much on unemployment or some other handout while they sit at home and live off the government.I make way more than that, but I could not resist that offer while it lasted. I don't have any bills so $1100 per week worked for me. Some people could have literally sat home and got more than they made at work. In all fairness, Slow Joe was not the president when the handouts started.
As for the taxes, number 1, it's unfair. Why would you make an American pay taxes, even if its a very small amount, and then let immigrants work and pay no taxes?There should be a consumption tax. You pay taxes on what you spend, not the amount of money you earn.
Secondly, even if they are paying some form of taxes through sales tax, their children are getting an education from American tax payers at roughly $20,000 a year per child. That's not fair either.I don't give a fuck. If someone is trying to make something out of themselves and do better in life, then let them have the schools. Half the people that are citizens here, such as my own daughter that dropped out of school and her mom never made her go when she was in it, are wasting the resources anyway. For some reason you never hear people that want to make something out of themselves complain about the schools. They go, do the work, graduate, and move on to the next level.
Healthcare- I didn't like Obamacare, the 500 $ fine many of my friends paid or almost had to pay was a joke.I was happy to be a veteran when that bullshit came around. EXEMPT!
I am not paying health insurance for some woman who has 3 kids with 4 dads and expects the government to pay her way through life. Sorry, we need to keep some form of personal responsibility and hold irresponsible people accountable for their life decisions.Yes you are, because they are going to make you. Better find a loophole to save in other areas. If they cheat you then you have to learn to cheat them back.
RamDavidson84
12-23-21, 19:52
Depends on how you define a quality worker. Is someone that dropped out of school and demanding McDonald's pay them $20 per hour a quality worker? And I do not think wages is the problem because I have contacted several people to do different kinds of work on my house and car during this pandemic. These people make their own prices and some declined the work and some that I made appointments with never showed up. Some are simple jobs that I can do myself, but I am trying to spread the money. And some of these people are immigrants.
I make way more than that, but I could not resist that offer while it lasted. I don't have any bills so $1100 per week worked for me. Some people could have literally sat home and got more than they made at work. In all fairness, Slow Joe was not the president when the handouts started.
There should be a consumption tax. You pay taxes on what you spend, not the amount of money you earn..My main point on wages is based off experience. I have traveled extensively through Mexico and one thing I noticed is there was an abundance of intelligent, thoughtful, physically capable, socially skillful, hardworking people that I would encounter working very menial jobs like hotel managers, hotel greeters, waiters, cab drivers, etc, etc, etc, and I would think to myself, if these same people were raised in the USA they would be accountants, successful business owners, teachers, technicians, maybe even doctors or lawyers. Because the economy is so weak in Mexico, there simply isn't enough educational and economic opportunities to support high earning professional careers like those and even if those positions are available, they are doing the same work for 1/3 the pay. There are too many people and not enough jobs and it pulls the entire economy down. I don't want that to happen in the USA. My opinion, I could be wrong, I am not a professional economist.
As for schooling, I never said or would advocate that the children of illegal immigrants shouldn't be allowed access to an education. That's how I interpreted your post, if I misinterpreted-my bad. Of course I don't want to deny people who are living here an education or the opportunity to better themselves once they are here. An underclass of uneducated people in a nation is not good for anyone. I was arguing that it wasn't fair to let immigrants into the country who are going to utilize access to an education paid for by American workers. Again, I am not anti immigration, I think the border should be secured and immigration regulated, and if an immigrant is here to improve their lives and contribute to the tribe known as the USA, they must pull their weight by paying taxes. Once they do that, let them have the same benefits as citizens. This undocumented, unsecure, open border freefall of letting "god knows who" into the country is the wrong way to go about it in my most humble opinion.
In regards to healthcare, I should have stated I would rather not pay for people to abuse the healthcare system. If you are young and healthy, you got to work and be miserable like the rest of us haha. Show me the numbers on how open borders and a single taxpayer health care can benefit everyone. And I honestly wouldn't mind helping people with free healthcare, but when you demand it and certain people try to villify me because I believe I have the right to not have to support someone who refuses to contribute, then you lose my vote. We all knew the game when it started. You need to educate yourself, learn a skill, market that skill to an employer, receive an income and then you can use that income however you like. We shouldn't raise a generation of children to bank on Uncle Sam for everything. We also shouldn't be 100% self reliant either. We must have a healthy balance. Again, my opinion.
RamDavidson84
12-23-21, 20:33
I'm done.
I can teach anyone how to juggle, as long as they have 2 functional arms and hands and provided they aren't blind. I've taught many different things. I once taught a 19 year old Japanese girl how to drive a manual transmission. I'm pretty good at teaching and explaining, but it only works if the other person has the ability to understand.
I'm not trying to be insulting, but you've taken some simple things and ended up in some fantasy land. Here are some examples.
Military leaders don't become leaders because they were great fighters. With very few exceptions they begin in a position of authority and move up to positions of greater authority. Leadership principles are a completely different skill set than battlefield prowess. Here's a football analogy:
Tom Brady is considered, by many, to be the greatest quarterback of all time. His skills are most effective when he is playing quarterback. You don't pull him off the field and have him take over as the coach. There are some coaches who were great players at one time, but they don't get a head coaching job based on their playing ability...Tranquillo Hombre haha, I get your points. Look, my main point is this, there is a long long long well documented history of wealthy white men who have fought and risked their lives and gave their lives on the battlefield. Anyone with the slightest grasp of history knows this is indisputable truth. I am sure there are many cases where a battlefield commander didn't actually physically fight, but all the men I listed were brutal blood and guts mother fuckers who lived for the kill. Read up on the absolutely psychopath that was Andrew Jackson. Read about the viking chieftains who believed the only way into Valhalla was death on the battlefield. I also think pre-industrial era warfare was extremely brutal for both the battle field commanders and their subordinates. If you are leading men on a pre-industrial revolution battlefield, you better be a bad ass mother fucker or them boys ain't going to follow your lead and your going to get them killed or even yourself. Anyone who has been in a position of leadership knows, people don't respect the title as much as they respect the man behind. Think of all the coward cops you know who hind behind a badge and the second shit gets real their true colors show. You show that weakness on the battlefield, your men are in trouble. When these guys are selected to those positions, there is a reason for it, that reason is usually a prior record of combat along with the charismatic social intelligence required to get men to follow you if it it means death for them. Perhaps modern leaders never served combat roles, but back in the day, I am sure many did. I have said enough and you will have you opinion and I will have the historical facts on my side. George Washington fought on the battlefield many times and he was born to a wealthy land owning family in Virginia. I don't think rich white men are the devil either if that is what you are eventually going to argue, we are human like everyone else though.
I never condoned physical abuse or emotional abuse. Those parents dragging their children across thousands of miles of all types of terrain like deserts and mountains and jungles is real abuse. Why do you not acknowledge that as abuse? In the USA, if you leave a child in a hot car, guess what, Child Services take your kids away because you are an irresponsible parent and a danger to a helpless child. That is how a responsible society functions JBJ. Do you know many of these children go with random people and pretend to be their children just to get the immigrants across the border? Why do you not acknowledge the tens of thousands of people who die in the crossfire of cartel wars and the hundreds of thousands of people who die from fentanyl poisoning from the drugs brought across the border? Sometimes, you must fight fire with fire. Some form of deterrent is needed to prevent the mass migration of millions of fucking people from flooding through the borders and endangering their own fucking children. It is fucking terrible thing that Trump was forced to enforce such a policy, but he didn't have much choice. And at the end of the day, those children and people locked up in the holding cells are way safer than out in the deserts of Mexico, that's why they came by the millions in the first place! The real monsters are the cartels who corrupt the governments of the nations these people are fleeing from. You need to take away their cash cow which is the open border and bring peace and stability to their societies. You do that through the elimination of corruption with strict law enforcement and border crossing policies which can deter people from coming in the first place. Please don't label me an inhumane monster because I advocate these policies. I don't know how you came to the conclusion I would advocate to treat human as animals whenever possible. Yes, if a parent is endangering a child, the child should be placed in protective custody. Cmon man, you don't need to jump to crazy conclusions about me.
I am extremely confused on what you are trying to explain about healthcare. Please present your argument in a coherent manner. You diminished my intelligence and argumentative ability and accused me of not being able to explain my argument on healthcare, which is fine. I don't extensively understand exactly what the Democrats are advocating for, so I ask you to explain it, and you have come up very short. Please try again to explain the societal benefit to the type of healthcare you advocating for. And if you are just going to say, "Treat people like human beings", save your energy and fore go the response because that's a weak answer which no one wants to hear.
Canada, Oh Canada LOL. Look whites from Finland or Russia or France or wherever, after they have been here for multiple generations, they are now culturally and ethnically the same for all practical reasons. They are Caucasian. No one is out discussing the racist Polish whites abusing the dumb fins who live off the government and abuse tax dollars LOL. For practical real world applications they are classified as whites, and for good reason. Now you say, many nations are more diverse than the USA, maybe so, but I said diverse first world nations. I will state again, the United States is a diverse first world nation who has proven to overcome many different obstacles and maintain an economically successful society which is rivaled by no other first world nations, except for Canada LOL. Even though I still think you are wrong on that haha. Don't get too bent out of shape, as I have said before, I am just bullshitting around and I always keep an open mind about things.
God bless America!
I think you described JJairhead to a tee. He reminds me of a kid who is made to behave in the presence of his parents; but outside their presence, he acts up to say to everyone "Hey, look at me". Just look at how he inserts himself into every conversation, even one's he knows nothing about.This coming from the guy who repeatedly demonstrated he can't handle simple mathematics? Let's see how wrong you are on your latest attempt.
Didn't really get much of an opportunity to behave in front of my father, what with him spending so much time with the Vietnam war thing and then inconveniently dying when I was 6. When he was around, forcing us to obey didn't seem to be a priority. It's one of those weird, loving parent things, so perhaps you wouldn't understand.
Already you're halfway to the "absolutely clueless" goal. Ready for the final sprint?
The unfortunate side effect of having a parent die in war, is the survivor benefits don't go far. However, the funeral was quite nice.
That whole need to support her children thing meant my mother needed to take a full time job, at a time when employment opportunities for women were scarce. The end result was, for several years, behaving or misbehaving around her wasn't an issue, since we saw her for only a couple of hours each day.
That's another swing and a miss for you. It seems your analysis ranks right up there with your math skills. But wait. There's still the "acts up to say 'look at me'" prophecy. Can you just feel the excitement?
I grew up in a very small town, tiny, like your brain, but with cornfields. Everyone in town knew me. If I so much as sneezed mom would be checking me for a fever as soon as she got home from work. If I did anything wrong, the local neighborhood watch would pass the information on to mom or grandma. And grandma took the shock and awe approach to discipline. Acting out was not a good idea.
Of course that's not all. There's one important factor I've mentioned here several times in the past, which you neglected to consider. As a child I was quite shy. I was already embarrassed by all the attention I received from everyone. I certainly didn't want any more.
So, once again you voluntarily make yourself look like a fool. Not just a fool but, dare I say it, a complete idiot. Look at this jewel:
"Just look how he inserts himself into every conversation, even one's (sic) he knows nothing about. ".
If making yourself look like a fool was an Olympic sport, you just completed all 7 events of the heptathlon simultaneously. Truly spectacular how you managed to pole vault your way face first into your own shit.
1. You inserted yourself into this conversation.
2. You know nothing about me.
3. You've never met me.
4. You know nothing of my parents.
5. You don't know the difference between "ones" and "one's. ".
6. You quoted a part of a message from someone who doesn't know anything he's talking about.
7. You decided to judge me based upon another poster's declaration that the point I made was miniscule and insignificant, when the point was a direct and correct refutation of his earlier statement.
Let me reiterate (that means I'm going to repeat something for the incredibly stupid people who didn't get it the first 3 times). Ram stated that the US is the most ethnically diverse country. It isn't. That's not insignificant. If you say it's Tuesday and I correctly state it's Thursday, that's a relevant response. Ram repeated that the US is the most ethnically diverse country. It still isn't. It's not even close. I provided the numbers and he again said the same thing, then went all wishy-washy and decided maybe he was wrong, and decided it was time for the ad hominem attack.
He did the same thing you did, made the mistake of pretending he knows everything about me, when he knows nothing at all. If you've been paying attention, he's the same mental giant who decided that I've never been to the US. You would think he would have learned something from that experience. Then again you've done the same thing. You made a fool out of yourself by failing simple elementary school math problems and then decided to embarrass yourself again.
I get it, I really do. You're still stinging from when I pointed out that waiting in the immigration line with a bunch of strangers isn't the time to start vomiting out your political opinions. Perhaps the person who told you that it wasn't the time or place for your remarks, could have been nicer about it, but you had already been incredibly rude, so her response was understandable.
Or maybe your little vagina is still sore because I pointed out that it's pretty childish to act like the world is ending because you have to get a Covid test the day before you leave. It takes 5 minutes with results in less than an hour. There are testing locations all over the place. They'll even come to you and test you. You were crying like a fucking spoiled child over an incredibly simple thing to overcome. I can't imagine how completely unglued you would become when faced with a minor obstacle. Full blown tantrum?
The good news for you is I now have the free time to highlight your ignorance, if you wish to continue to be the fool.
RamDavidson84
12-24-21, 01:41
So I looked up the foreign born population of Canada and USA. You are correct sir.
Foreign born population in Canada- 21%.
Foreign born USA 14%.
Most of the immigrants are from Asian. China / India. Many are also from Europe where English / French is a first or second language. USA also has a huge undocumented immigrant population with estimates ranging from 10-30 million. No one is exactly sure as far as I can tell. None the less, I will admit I was wrong and uninformed and there is a real truth to your argument, however I still feel there is more real world ethnic diversity within the USA meaning, a UK born immigrant is going to transition into society much more easily than a Mexican born immigrant here in the USA. I should have looked up the stats earlier.
PedroMorales
12-24-21, 02:21
still feel there is more real world ethnic diversity within the USA meaning, a UK born immigrant is going to transition into society much more easily than a Mexican born immigrant here in the USA. I should have looked up the stats earlier.You mean degenerate into a mongrel American. Ho; the off on that ethnic diversity crap. It smacks of the Third Reich. The Waffen SS ended up World War Two as Europe's most ethnically diverse force. Less of your fascism and racism, please. There's a good little monger / mongrel.
Can I buy a visa or Mastercard prepaid card in Colombia? I want to buy something online and it look like I'm a Colombian. Netflix to be specific. Thanks.
I never condoned physical abuse or emotional abuse. Those parents dragging their children across thousands of miles of all types of terrain like deserts and mountains and jungles is real abuse. Why do you not acknowledge that as abuse? In the USA, if you leave a child in a hot car, guess what, Child Services take your kids away because you are an irresponsible parent and a danger to a helpless child. That is how a responsible society functions JBJ. Do you know many of these children go with random people and pretend to be their children just to get the immigrants across the border? Why do you not acknowledge the tens of thousands of people who die in the crossfire of cartel wars and the hundreds of thousands of people who die from fentanyl poisoning from the drugs brought across the border? Sometimes, you must fight fire with fire. Some form of deterrent is needed to prevent the mass migration of millions of fucking people from flooding through the borders and endangering their own fucking children. It is fucking terrible thing that Trump was forced to enforce such a policy, but he didn't have much choice. And at the end of the day, those children and people locked up in the holding cells are way safer than out in the deserts of Mexico, that's why they came by the millions in the first place! The real monsters are the cartels who corrupt the governments of the nations these people are fleeing from. You need to take away their cash cow which is the open border and bring peace and stability to their societies. You do that through the elimination of corruption with strict law enforcement and border crossing policies which can deter people from coming in the first place. Please don't label me an inhumane monster because I advocate these policies. I don't know how you came to the conclusion I would advocate to treat human as animals whenever possible. Yes, if a parent is endangering a child, the child should be placed in protective custody. Cmon man, you don't need to jump to crazy conclusions about me.I will respond to this part, because I was already planning on writing something about the Trump administration policy regarding illegal immigrants. Family separation.
To get there, I'm going to ask you a question.
Have you ever seen someone eating out of the garbage? If you're out really late in Medellin or Bogota, you'll likely see it. After the bars and restaurants bring their trash out to the street the gleaners show up. There's a hierarchy of the people who sift through the garbage. One guy takes all the cardboard, another takes the glass and another takes the aluminum cans and foil. At the bottom are the people who go through the trash looking for food. I've seen them before with their children, digging out and eating directly from the trash.
Can you imagine what it would take for you to do that? It's not something you do because it's closer than McDonald's. It's not something you do because you can't find anything good on Rappi. It's something you do when you have no other choice. It's something you do when you can't afford pride, when you can't sink any lower. Keep that in mind.
I'm going to relate something that happened to an old girlfriend of a friend of mine in Medellin. It also happened to 2 girls I know in Medellin. And it happened to the brother of a friend and coworker from El Salvador. It is why he packed up his family and escaped to Canada.
The details vary somewhat, but it starts in the poorest barrios. When a kid gets to be 12 or 13, the local gangs give them a choice. They can either join the gang, as a member for the boys, as a hooker for the girls, or they can die. One of the girls I knew was killed because she stood up to the gang. The same happened to the son of my friend's ex. The other girl I know her brother was beaten almost to death, their mother moved them back to Armenia, where they had relatives. My Salvadoran friend, his brother's entire family was killed.
From the safety and comfort of your house you sit there and imagine that all those people just decided to take a trip of thousands of miles just on a whim. You call it abuse. I don't. When the options you are facing are:
1. Have your children murdered.
2. Having your children forced into prostitution or crime.
3. Taking your children somewhere where you hope to give them a better life.
Choosing option 3, is not what I consider abuse. Are you telling me that watching your children get slaughtered in front of you is the better parenting option? Remember those people eating out of the garbage? It's the same fucking thing. You don't take your children across thousands of miles, giving up everything you've worked for just because it seems like a good idea. You do it when you're forced into the decision.
I said you're incapable of understanding, because you're incapable of understanding anything other than the story you suck out of the Fox News tit. What you're brainwashed with is that they're a bunch of rapists, murderers and drug dealers, along with a few irresponsible parents, just rushing to the border to get a bunch of handouts.
In the end, you're going to go with the fantasy you've been fed. You're not going to think about how bad someone's situation must be for them to take those risks. And you'll continue to spout the complete nonsense, just because that's what Fox News keeps telling you.
I haven't jumped to a crazy conclusion about you. You continue to advocate treating people, even children worse than animals. Putting children in cages and denying them access to the most basic essentials is not "protective custody. " Taking children, some under 1 year old and literally losing track of where you sent the children is not "protective custody. " Physically, emotionally and even sexually abusing children is not "protective custody."
When you proudly and loudly support monstrous, inhumane treatment of others, you have given up your claim to not being an inhuman monster.
And that has not a single fucking thing to do with securing the border. In what fucking fantasy land are thousands of refugees, traveling through some of the most remote areas of Central America, getting hourly news updates? And what are their options, assuming they are all carrying smart phones with unlimited international data plans? Go back to almost certain death, or continue on and hope that the people of the United States are actually human beings, rather than sadistic monsters?
Whether or not to devote resources to the border, how much and what resources is something which is debatable. Limiting or even halting immigration is something which is debatable. Locking refugees in cages, stealing their children, destroying their dignity is not something which is debatable. Plain and simple. It never has been. It never will be.
RamDavidson84
12-24-21, 15:23
I will respond to this part, because I was already planning on writing something about the Trump administration policy regarding illegal immigrants. Family separation.
To get there, I'm going to ask you a question.
Have you ever seen someone eating out of the garbage? If you're out really late in Medellin or Bogota, you'll likely see it. After the bars and restaurants bring their trash out to the street the gleaners show up. There's a hierarchy of the people who sift through the garbage. One guy takes all the cardboard, another takes the glass and another takes the aluminum cans and foil. At the bottom are the people who go through the trash looking for food. I've seen them before with their children, digging out and eating directly from the trash.Yea we will never seen eye to eye on this issue. It seems you think these societies can never solve their problems and we should just let those problems manifest in the United States. I have hope for them. And you are being really dramatic, I know plenty of immigrants. Yes many of them are running from the violent cartels, but many of them just can't find work and want to come live off the system in the USA. No, you will not even come close to convincing me that the millions of illegals fleeing into the country were all held at gunpoint by cartel members and forced to choose life in the gang or death. Yes, some of them, but not most of the 10-30 million living here illegally. I wonder how many kids were rapped and kid napped by the cartels on their splendid journey through Mexico? And you are worried because they get placed in a detention center? You need to fight the cartels and take back their countries from the corrupt, but liberals will keep them all run by criminals because they can't formulate practical logic. Funny how all the people who advocate to just let all the immigrants in don't actually help any of them. Just sit back and watch them spend my money haha. Are you handing your hard earned dollars out to anyone who didn't work for it? You can't base policy off emotion and lies. You need to stick to what works and it actually solves problems. You need to create an economy of educated tax paying citizens in their own communities. To be able to do that, you need law and order and you can't have an underclass of teenage criminals using fear and violence to destroy their societies.
If you secure the border and create a legal system of immigration, this will benefit both the United States and Mexico / Latin America. Legal immigration and border security is the answer. Fight back against criminals and cartels who force young girls into prostitution or force them to die. Be a hero and don't condone those sick disgusting actions by just giving up on people and labeling them helpless to do anything to defend their land. It's that thinking that led to many Latin American nations to get taken over by dictatorships which destroyed their economies and which we are still seeing the social and economic ramifications generations later. I would rather place kids in safe and secure detention centers than look the other way while cartels offer people the option of death or join my gang, sell your 15 year old pussy to 60 year men who may have HIV or die. Yea lets just look the other way while that goes on. I'll take a secure border and funding the Mexican military "which the USA does" to fight the cartels any day of the week. Let immigrants into the country, but just do it legally, that is the best solution. That way, cartel's can't profit off the fucking immigrants. But you can't admit that is the best solution because it would go against the Democrats and you appear to not be able to go against anything they say, are you a puppet? I hope not.
I am not an animal but I am also not a pussy. And I am also not going to cry my sad story all over the internet and victimize myself to feel significant and try to tie my own personal narrative into my argument because no one wants to fucking hear it! We are men, adults, leave the crybaby shit out of it. Those kids will be just fine, they are not going to be traumatized for life because they spent a few weeks in a detention center, well unless you teach them to be. I wonder why no in the USA gets the option, sell your pussy or die? Maybe because we stand up to criminal cowards who would force a teenage girl to do something like that. Because we have a strong economic system which provides a sufficient amount of jobs for people so they don't have to resort to gang life to satisfy their economic needs. We have the funds to hire capable effective law enforcement. That's what Latin America needs.
And again, if you label me a monster and an inhumane animal after reading my point of view, then your logic is seriously flawed and I am thrilled you are not in a position to write laws LOL.
RamDavidson84
12-24-21, 15:41
I haven't jumped to a crazy conclusion about you. You continue to advocate treating people, even children worse than animals. Putting children in cages and denying them access to the most basic essentials is not "protective custody. " Taking children, some under 1 year old and literally losing track of where you sent the children is not "protective custody. " Physically, emotionally and even sexually abusing children is not "protective custody."
When you proudly and loudly support monstrous, inhumane treatment of others, you have given up your claim to not being an inhuman monster.
And that has not a single fucking thing to do with securing the border. In what fucking fantasy land are thousands of refugees, traveling through some of the most remote areas of Central America, getting hourly news updates? And what are their options, assuming they are all carrying smart phones with unlimited international data plans? Go back to almost certain death, or continue on and hope that the people of the United States are actually human beings, rather than sadistic monsters?
Whether or not to devote resources to the border, how much and what resources is something which is debatable. Limiting or even halting immigration is something which is debatable. Locking refugees in cages, stealing their children, destroying their dignity is not something which is debatable. Plain and simple. It never has been. It never will be.Where is the evidence that the children are being physically or mentally abused by the guards in the detention facilities? Sexually abused? C'Mon. Man, were all adults, almost none of the millions of immigrants who have come through those detention facilities are getting sexually abused. No guards are grabbing these girls and holding them down and fucking them and losing their jobs over some pussy. Look, maybe there is a sicko or two out there, that is just people being scumbags and that's not a result of the policy. Immigrants are far more likely to abused in their travels than once they get to the detention centers. And don't post some liberal propaganda bullshit where one incident in 100,000 occurred. Show me something that this is a common trend and I will gladly apologize. Dude, follow the news, there are caravans of tens of thousands of immigrants from Colombia and Venezuela crossing the most inhospitable Jungle in this hemisphere, they are crossing the Darien Gap. Please look into it and how dangerous it is. After the Darien Gap, they have to walk across Mexico! You don't think they are going to get taken advantage of in that journey? A legal regulated system of Immigration would be a million times safer! There are so many better solutions than just letting looking the other way and allowing people to embark on this treacherous journey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMPX1547Pss
This coming from the guy who repeatedly demonstrated he can't handle simple mathematics? Let's see how wrong you are on your latest attempt.
Didn't really get much of an opportunity to behave in front of my father, ...I think he just can't help himself. I said he acts like a kid who acts up away from his parents; not that he acts like someone who as a kid, acted up. Yet his failure to understand English grammar led him to write a story about his childhood. "Acts like a kid" is in the present time birdbrain.
He is the typical Democrat. Accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of. He cannot find one post of mine in which my math is incorrect; but in one of his posts from early last year, he demonstrated that he didn't know how to calculate results using percentages.
The rest of his diatribe can stand on its own - the rantings of an imbecile.
Captain Solo
12-24-21, 21:26
LeFeu.
These guys fish in the social media pond for their private catch, whom they think as their exclusive GFs.
If you do the same fishing in Tijuana, you will likely have much hotter girls with better attitudes than Medellin. Before CoVid, out of 2 million Tijuana residents there were only 100 SA profiles. Post CoVid there are now 1,000 profiles. There were over 10,000 independent escorts listed in Tijuanasexy.com alone, may be over 100,000 now if the same trend applies.
One of my FB profile has hundreds of friend requests by Latinas from Colombia and Venezuela, but I don't want any personal relationships with women who exchange sex for money, regardless what they call themselves, with lots of stupid drama and manipulations, especially when they are 10 hour flight away. I only want hot, young girls available for instant companies and sex whenever I have time, in sexy mood or good physical shape to do it. Cannot beat HK's fun, entertaining, sexy venue with hot girls availability 24/7/365.
Guys living in Tijuana have access to some of the hottest and sweetest girls through social media and the informal referral networks, but they are not sharing their contacts due to various potential risks.
Huh?
RamDavidson84
12-24-21, 22:59
You mean degenerate into a mongrel American. Ho; the off on that ethnic diversity crap. It smacks of the Third Reich. The Waffen SS ended up World War Two as Europe's most ethnically diverse force. Less of your fascism and racism, please. There's a good little monger / mongrel.LOL Here we go again. I mean transition Padre, as in its easier to find work and integrate into a society when you speak the same language and have a University Education. Many Latin American immigrants in the USA don't speak English and are not educated to the standards of European countries. Still great people, just not qualified to be employed in any occupations which pay much more than minimum wage.
Nothing at all personal Captain, would you mind please taking the Tijuana content to the threads devoted to the subject? There is presumably more interest. I look to the moderator to back me up on this. By now the point has been made many times. You think the girls in Tijuana are better than the girls in Medellin. Your perspective is noted.
LeFeu.
These guys fish in the social media pond for their private catch, whom they think as their exclusive GFs.
If you do the same fishing in Tijuana, you will likely have much hotter girls with better attitudes than Medellin. Before CoVid, out of 2 million Tijuana residents there were only 100 SA profiles. Post CoVid there are now 1,000 profiles. There were over 10,000 independent escorts listed in Tijuanasexy.com alone, may be over 100,000 now if the same trend applies.
One of my FB profile has hundreds of friend requests by Latinas from Colombia and Venezuela, but I don't want any personal relationships with women who exchange sex for money, regardless what they call themselves, with lots of stupid drama and manipulations, especially when they are 10 hour flight away. I only want hot, young girls available for instant companies and sex whenever I have time, in sexy mood or good physical shape to do it. Cannot beat HK's fun, entertaining, sexy venue with hot girls availability 24/7/365.
GeneHickman.
We are comparing apple and orange here.
If you have to spend weeks or months cultivating prospects for sex and relationships in social media, or whatever, among the general population, it should be called fishing, whereas mongering is to go to known venues, bars, clubs, streets, agencies, for instant companies and sex with women who are always available, full time or part time.
The same fishing activities has been going on in Tijuana. Guys have been having access via private channels to some of the sweetest, most beautiful young girls in Tijuana, who have good chances of winning at beauty pageants. An old acquaintance set up a young GF, 18 YO, about the age of his grand kids, slim, pretty, beautiful, in an apartment, gave her grocery money, occasionally took her and her friends clubbing, spent 3,4 nights a week with her. Guys living in Tijuana have underground networks who refer to them sweetest young girls. Narco guys with money regularly have dozens girls sent to them in private homes..You sure spend a lot of time defending the planet earth shithole / douchebag that is Tijuana. Please stop wasting your time tryin to sell it to us who know better. Return 2 your rabbit hole, whoops I mean the 5 star Cascadas lean-to.
MongerHunger
12-25-21, 09:46
What is the point of bashing Medellin and then promoting Tijuana all in the same breath? You are starting to sound like an annoying broken record. What is the point of doing this and what are you trying to prove? It's counterproductive and some of it is definitely inaccurate and exaggerated.
NapataJohn
12-25-21, 15:50
LeFeu.
These guys fish in the social media pond for their private catch, whom they think as their exclusive GFs.
Guys living in Tijuana have access to some of the hottest and sweetest girls through social media and the informal referral networks, but they are not sharing their contacts due to various potential risks.
Huh?Please make your comments solo. We heard enough of it now.
You are also extremely full of yourself.It's one thing to have confidence in one's knowledge, skills, and abilities. And then, it's quite another to be like you and full of. Well, you know.
Elvis 2008
12-27-21, 04:20
It is good news and bad news. We should hit an all time high with Covid cases tomorrow or the next day, and I would not be surprised if we passed 400,000 or 500,000 cases for one day on December 30 or so. In terms of cases, that would be the worst ever. In terms of severity, it is nothing. Only two unvaxxed out of a 100 or so Covids I saw were sick, and they had co-morbidities and were unvaxxed. Most of the people with Covid were unvaxxed, but a lot were not.
Now comes the political part. The NFL had so many players testing + and who were without symptoms, they took the amazing step of saying if you have no symptoms and are vaccinated, you do not need to be tested and can play.
In the mean time, Fauci went bonkers about testing at Christmas and Biden ordered 500 million tests. Thousands and thousands of flights were cancelled due to airlines having staffing issues due to Covid and I have to wonder how many of those people were Covid + but not sick. The quarantine period for health care workers was cut but not for other workers, and I am not sure I get the logic with that.
So the easy prediction is the quarantine period will shorten. That to me is a 100% deal. Businesses will be screaming if that is not the case. We should see 7 day quarantine and even shorter if asymptomatic. Without that, the worker shortage will be a huge problem.
What I care about though is the testing for Covid prior to coming back to the USA. It never made sense to test for air travelers and not those traveling by land, but that discrepancy is going to be multiplied even more with omicron. Given how weak this strain is and how contagious it is, you have less justification than ever to do testing. A smarter screening would be testing for fever, but Omicron is so ubiquitous the notion that you have a plane Covid free at this point just boggles the mind. I think all flights will have someone with Covid on them. So why screen international and not domestic especially when countries like Colombia have so much less Covid (for now anyway)? It makes no sense.
Prediction: the Biden people will not do a thing about stopping testing even as dumb as it is. Between this and making expedited passports a huge pain in the ass, the Biden administration does not want people travelling and will continue to hassle them. The testing requirement never made sense, and it makes even less sense now.
If you have been keeping up, I just wanted to confirm what was in the news. Yes, Omicron is crazy contagious but its potency is close to nothing. I used to be able to look at someone and say they had Covid. Not now. Most do not look sick at all.
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