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Mojo Bandit
06-05-21, 02:23
The problem with a dumb ass Democratic douche like you .Does it seriously not matter to you how many times I tell you that I am a registered independent, the first time I ever registered to vote I registered as a Republican, among other reasons was because I was in the military and wanted to vote for people who were not going to cut the funding. It was during the Iraqi war debacle when they started invoking Stop-loss and sending soldiers for multiple tours that I soured on how much they actually respected the military.

Your fragile little two dimensional mind cannot conceive of people being independents. Over one third of the country is independents. We outnumber both the Democrats and the Republicans as a group and yet in your feeble little ideologically driven brain that is so consumed by your petty emotions that generate paranoia over sanity and reason. We do not exist?

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/03/14/political-independents-who-they-are-what-they-think/

I personally cannot get behind the complete agenda of either major party and fucking crazier than batshit ideologues like you is one of the reasons. The left has their share of crazies also and I do not want to join either club. I would rather think originally and pragmatically. Independently! I tell you that I am an independent and and only in the voices in your crazy head say that am I a Democrat. Proof that you are batshit crazy! This really demonstrates why you are a simple minded twit, your mind cannot comprehend that everything is not black and white. I disagree with you because you are obviously batshit crazy. Let me keep reminding you how batshit crazy you are:

Exhibit Number one in the case that you are batshit crazy: you said in post #1158 "That is the crazy thing about this virus. There was no variance from March 2020 to December mentioned in most of the media. ".

And yet if anyone did a reality check they would find this:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2236544-coronavirus-are-there-two-strains-and-is-one-more-deadly/ (March 2020).

https://www.dw.com/en/new-strain-of-...udy/a-54034723 (March 2020.).

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-scientists-found-40-mutations-of-the-coronavirus-report-says/ (March 2020).

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200331/Eight-strains-of-coronavirus-afflicting-the-world.aspx (March 2020).

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2020.1756700 (Apr 2020).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf (Apr 2020).

https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12967-020-02344-6 (April 2020).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32357545/ (April).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs/3085752001/ (May).

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...ew-coronavirus (May 2020).

https://medium.com/swlh/variants-lin...s-7a71a0e699d7 (May 2020).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...earch/12218834 (May 2020).

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=70535183 (May).

https://coronavirusexplained.ukri.or...ticle/cad0013/ (June 2020).

https://www.scripps.edu/news-and-eve...-mutation.html (June 2020).

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...study/2292119/ (June 2020).

https://abc7chicago.com/coronavirus-...study/6254953/ (June 2020).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...810v1.full.pdf (June 2020).

https://www.biospace.com/article/mut...re-contagious/ (June 2020).

https://abc13.com/coronavirus-covid-...uston/6300460/ (July).

https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php (July).

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...244093332.html (July).

https://scitechdaily.com/global-covi...rain-of-virus/ (July).

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/wh...vid-19-mutates (July).

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/nr/...tious-1.892276 (July).

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se...auses-covid-19 (August).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-singapore-research/singapore-scientists-find-coronavirus-variant-with-milder-infections-idUSKBN25H0O1 (August 2020).

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ore-infectious (August).

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.28.271163v1.full.pdf (August 2020).

https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-...%2930877-1.pdf (September).

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/mor...n-based-study/ (September).

https://translational-medicine.biome 67-020-02535-1 (September).

https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/A...vaccines-study (October).

https://news.utexas.edu/2020/10/30/c...re-contagious/ (October).

https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN27E2RS (October).

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-...3-5c4e67ead110 (October).

https://www.lanl.gov/updates/sars-cov-2-variant.php (October).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=3939e7735ed3 (November).

https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11...2pq/index.html (November).

JustTK
06-05-21, 06:02
Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.


Once you remove the old and the compromised then the young and the uncompromised are the ones in intensive care. We've been experiencing that in the last 6 to 8 weeks, and its finally dropping again as we are have 60 plus percent with vaccinations. Our cases had become mostly the British variant, rapidly moving to the Indian variant. Both are a lot more contagious (read more airborne probably). And while a lot of the young people on respirators eventually recovered it was a very very tough time. With enough deaths as well.

I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.

As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation. On that I think we agree. The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.

Elvis 2008
06-05-21, 08:08
I overreacted. I had seen some horrific reactions to the virus and it saddened me. I often see things before others do. This has been a red-blue thing more than it ever should have been. I get people voting Democratic if it is in their interests. I quoted Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who have chronicled the rise of leftism in place of traditional Democratic liberalism.

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. The problem is that it does not take into account conflicts of interest, and the Lancet proclamation that the lab leak theory was not science but scientists not just playing politics but covering their pathetic asses.

Fauci is a mob leader like the Godfather. He doles out $32 billion in grants and approves 99% of them. Our medical field is as centrally planned the old Soviet Union now, and it is pathetic.

With the vaccines, they have been miracles, but the mechanism with which they worked was old, and it was pure luck they worked. But the "scientists" in their zeal to stamp out the virus have downplayed the dangers of the vaccine. Just like I told you that I saw vaccines spreading in the homes, I have been seeing horrific reactions to the vaccine and some causing people permanent damage.

The so called experts have been playing hide the sausage with herd immunity, and Fauci the fraud has been lying about the percentage to fulfill his agenda. Given the number of infections and the infections that were diagnosed and the vaccines, we are probably at herd immunity now. I do not think it is necessary to call out the antivaxxers now as others here do.

If you saw two people like I did who have had reactions to the vaccine like I did, it was horrible. I have seen other stupid things like the calling for putting people on ventilators early on when they were not needed. That was terrible.

The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines cause a spike in the antibody levels and the first dose is usually sufficient for immunity. The level of antibodies is probably sufficient with natural immunity. The UK proved that one dose of the vaccine is effective. What is going on is a lot of people who have probably been exposed to Covid have had horrible reactions to the first dose and not the second. They probably have already had Covid antibodies, and it is raising those antibodies to sky high levels where the problems seem to come in.

For people who have not had the virus, it is the second injection that causes the horrific side effects. I really question now whether these second doses, the boosters, are necessary given the side effects.

I am not going to restate all the government fuckups. What pisses me off now is the people who supposedly were trust worthy were not just dead wrong but covering their asses.

Because Rand Paul has gone after Fauci, the Democratic douches response has been to be snide. It is the typical Red-blue, left-right nonsense we all see, and I am sick of it. This is government officials taking our tax dollars, growing super viruses, saying that producing and studying them was worth the risk, and have been trying to cover their asses for the last year. It is not red-blue, left-right. It is good and evil.

I know what the Democratic douche response will be. They will pretend that all their praise of Fauci never happened.

One guy in government in charge of 99% of the grants worth $32 billion. That is fucking crazy, and I wish this was more well known. Scientists have been way more concerned with kissing Fauci's ass than getting to the truth. Until this changes, I recommend you that you look at data yourself versus just taking the advice of "reputable" scholars.

When I go to the doctor, I read the science myself. What I want to know is what he has seen works, what he shares with his colleagues. The Fauci kissing assholes call that anecdotal. In my experience, it is invaluable.

I said way before the studies came out that I was seeing huge rates of transmissions in the home and as you now know the outdoor transmission rates have been miniscule. I think the government knew this and instead of being honest was too interested in CYA than being honest.

What bugs me is no one is addressing the mistakes. China escaped criticism because they were going to withhold PPE if people were critical.

The climate change agenda is being pushed through to advance a socialist cause. The notion is that polling scientists is science not politics.

Here is a report from a person who went to two of those climate change conferences: https://freemansperspective.com/my-adventures-at-climate-change-central/.

I heard one speech – in the impressive 'headphone' amphitheater – where the speaker said that vast areas of her home country would be entirely underwater in ten years (which would have been 2009) and that every soul living there would be dead. As evidence, she referred to impressive names and organizations, who had "said so."

As best I could tell, nearly every person at this event was someone making a living from global warming, or else some official's son, daughter, brother-in-law, or cousin. I found none that had any notable substance. They were flying first class, staying at magnificent hotels, eating in the finest restaurants, and, as I later learned, hiring the best prostitutes and snorting the best drugs. And they were doing it all on some government's tab.

I wonder if the grants for climate research have their own version of Fauci. I would be surprised if they do not. As the author noted above, the record of those pushing climate change is horrific, but no one seems to hold them accountable. It is pretty clear to me that the people who could punch holes in climate change are not getting funded. This is the government version of "science" and it needs to stop.

PVMonger
06-05-21, 14:02
I overreacted. I had seen some horrific reactions to the virus and it saddened me. I often see things before others do. This has been a red-blue thing more than it ever should have been. I get people voting Democratic if it is in their interests. I quoted Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald who have chronicled the rise of leftism in place of traditional Democratic liberalism.

Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. The problem is that it does not take into account conflicts of interest, and the Lancet proclamation that the lab leak theory was not science but scientists not just playing politics but covering their pathetic asses.

Fauci is a mob leader like the Godfather. He doles out $32 billion in grants and approves 99% of them. Our medical field is as centrally planned the old Soviet Union now, and it is pathetic.

With the vaccines, they have been miracles, but the mechanism with which they worked was old, and it was pure luck they worked. But the "scientists" in their zeal to stamp out the virus have downplayed the dangers of the vaccine. Just like I told you that I saw vaccines spreading in the homes, I have been seeing horrific reactions to the vaccine and some causing people permanent damage.

The so called experts have been playing hide the sausage with herd immunity, and Fauci the fraud has been lying about the percentage to fulfill his agenda. Given the number of infections and the infections that were diagnosed and the vaccines, we are probably at herd immunity now. I do not think it is necessary to call out the antivaxxers now as others here do..And republikkkanism says we should worship the orange fruitcake no matter how stupid he was / is.

Villainy
06-05-21, 16:17
I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000? I will take the under on that bet anytime. " So I offered the bet, 5 or 6 times. Eventually he replied that he never accepted the bet. Honesty isn't ElPipi's forte.Hahahaha my apologies and thank you for correcting the record. Even saying 200,000 deaths would be the limit would have been ridiculous given the then exected timeline to a vaccine. 80,000 was simply the ranting of an uneducated clown. But as I remember, a certain so called world leader claimed the virus would disappear on its own in a few weeks / months and once the weather turned warm it would all disappear. "like magic".

Of course, that was sheer stupidity at the time since the virus was growing exponentially even in the Southern hemisphere where it was already summer time.

Your on for lunch at SaludPan!

JustTK
06-05-21, 16:55
Leftism says we should worship leftists no matter how stupid they are. .I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?

Zeos1
06-05-21, 18:18
Would love to see some stats to support anything you claimed.If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

Elvis 2008
06-05-21, 19:21
I agree with some things you wrote, but this statement is patently ridiculous. Do you not have a better criticism of leftism rather than just making stuff up?You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

JustTK
06-05-21, 22:16
I agree that the CDC fkd up. Fauci has been caught out lying so many times this past year. He should be behind bars as a mass murderer.

I am not sure how USA works, but there is no state immunity in countries where I have lived. They can be sued for malpractice, like everyone else. For example they can sued for not causing road accidents if they don't repair roads, same with pavements, same in public healthcare. I am surprised to hear this is not the case in the USA.

I am a leftist. I just think its a difficult discussion to have with USAns bcos what they understand as "leftism" is nowhere near what I think of it. .


You are right. I did not proof read what I wrote. I meant to say Leftists say we should support government no matter how stupid it is.

The CDC and FDA fucked up the early testing for Covid and no one was held responsible. If you are a leftist, you still quote and follow the CDC no matter how stupid it is.

If the CDC did not have government immunity, they would have been sued into the stratosphere for this. If you pay a company and it does not provide a service or does not please its customers, it is sued and goes out of business. When citizens pay government agencies and they fuck up, the same thing should happen.

Elvis 2008
06-06-21, 06:28
I need to add a correction. The number Elvira said the US death toll wouldn't reach was 80,000, not 200,000. I believe he said "80,000? Oh, that you believe it is true. That I ever made the bet is something you just made up.


So the first time anyone knew about the A-Fib was when the nurse discovered it and told me. Thus ElVenous' claim that he knew about it before I did is, surprise, more absolute bullshit from him, since nobody knew about it before the nurse and I, and I didn't post about it until just a few days later.Again, that is what you believe happened. You came on here said you were sick and rambled on about some shit that Covid was dangerous when your had a heart condition. I was not even going to say what was wrong. I actually felt sorry for your ass but when you would not shut up about Covid when you had a heart condition that had nothing to do with Covid, I had enough. I am the first person who mentioned you had a-fib on this forum not you. Got that dumb shit?

How you pull these deranged fantasies out of your ass and call me a liar is astounding. A-fib does cause blood clots to go to the brain and knock out brain cells so maybe that is it.

But there is no point in it. I do not know whether to say you are stupid, have a bad memory from a medical condition, or are full of shit, but then again, does it matter?

You are a typical Democratic douche and you value more who is speaking than what the facts are, and there is no point in having any conversation with you. I will just put you and Paulie back on ignore. Nothing you two say is worth reading anyway.

Elvis 2008
06-06-21, 08:21
Do you recall the never ending argument you had with JjBee62 just over a year ago? You were arguing whatever nonsense you were arguingSo I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.


You were dead certain that the fatalities from CoVid in the US would slow down and stop short of 200,000 deaths.Well, JJBee, just said 80,000 but you Democratic douches are not so good with facts.


To make a gentleman's wager with you (somewhat out of place since "gentleman" is not something most of us would call you).That you think betting on how many people dying is a "gentlemen's" wager just shows how sick you really are.


You, of course, refused to confront the wager and as is your style, prattled on in a thousand different directions.LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?

And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci.


You were thrilled to point out that Sweden was doing just what you recommended and they were having incredible success. Remember and to bolster the insanity of your argument you compared Sweden's results to Belgium. I asked you why you didn't compare Sweden to Norway, Finland and Denmark. Afterall the genetic makeup is similar, the climate is similar the population density is similar.Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.

I just heard a funny one on CNN the other day where a blowhard said, "Just because Trump said it does not mean it is wrong. " I am sure you have no problem with that.


But no you insisted Belgium was a perfect match.Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to.


For only one reason it didn't make Sweden appear as stupid and politically inept as they obviously were. Today a year later we have a much better lens to.Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.


Just view the insanity of your position.

Sweden has had over 1 million cases. Just over 10% of the population has had CoVid.

Denmark. Only about 5% of the population has had CoVid.

Norway only about 2. 3% of the population has had CoVid.

Finland only about 1. 7% of the population has had CoVid.Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.


What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Someone who was versed in the scientific method or perhaps just a rational person with common sense would say your argument about Sweden was silly and dishonest.The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.


It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take. This while Sweden's death total (14,485) is 18 plus times that of their neighbor Norway (785) while having only double the population. This represents 1000's of needless deaths as the effective vaccines are now here. It's plain to see that Sweden's neighbors took actions to stop the spread of the virus that Sweden itself did not take.Okay, I will bite. What did Sweden do wrong?


Forgot that?? What about when you needed to manufacture a point to support some other silly argument about how closing businesses and social distancing was a failure. Remember?Oh, I remember all right. I am actually proud about being right about those two things.

I guess since you two douches have been watching MSNBC and CNN the whole time you have not kept on things.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stanford-peer-reviewed-study-did-not-find-evidence-lockdowns-were-effective-stopping-covid

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?

Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/.

It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.

So who is following the scientific method, douche, you and Paulie / Cuomo or Stanford?


So, I'm going to stop here. Because your list of silly arguments and even sillier supporting statements are just laughable or sad.Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.

JustTK
06-06-21, 14:36
Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.


If you really are interested the Ontario gov't website has great stats on infections and deaths by age. I'm not interested in supporting what I said in the least as I'm not trying to win any arguments. It was merely my opinion on some risks I see in Colombia going forward, but I really really hope it doesn't get any worse than it is now.

MarquisdeSade1
06-06-21, 15:58
Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/04/opinion/Brazil-covid-children.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

JjBee62
06-06-21, 16:56
Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.I'm not certain you're being entirely honest about your intentions.

If you're open to new info, why ask for it on a mongering board? A few seconds with Google will provide much more information, quicker and with the option to verify the data sources at your fingertips.

If you're trying to prevent spreading of false information, why say "No risk" when you mean "very little risk?" Why assume that death is the only risk associated with Covid?

Hospitalization is a risk. Missing a few weeks of work is a risk. Long term complications are risks. Those risks apply to everyone, regardless of age group or risk factors. They're obviously not the same for everyone, but the risks are still there.

My recommendation is to determine your own personal risks, decide which risks apply to you (for instance, if you don't work, missing a few weeks of work might not be a risk which concerns you). Then decide what you will do and where you will do it.

This avoids all the bickering about what is happening in Canada or North Korea or any place where you don't intend to go.

At least on this board, concerns should be about what is happening in Colombia.

Zeos1
06-06-21, 19:08
Yes I am interested bcos I think it is dangerous and disfunctional to spread false information. I am open to hear new info which is why I asked if you had any evidence. I have seen stats from UK and SA that show hardly anyone young and healthy is dying. I just had a quick look for Colombia and came up with this which is based on minsalud stats: https://medellinguru.com/colombia-coronavirus-death-rate/.

Again, it shows hardly anyone is dying under the age of 60 in Colombia and Italy. I am not familiar with the Ontario website. I did take a quick look, and they confirm that less than a half a percent (<0. 5%) of deaths are under 60. https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-daily-epi-summary-report.pdf?la=en.

So again, I repeat that there is no risk (meaning very little) to healthy people under 60 years old.That's about the number I thought it was. The issue is also how communicable it is. The younger crowd wasn't getting it much during the first and second wave, but were in this third wave. Could be because more of the older cohort got vaccines first. Raising the proportions. But there is agreement that some of these variants are a lot more contagious. The simplest evidence is that they take over the cases as they have done here. Meaning that whatever measures we were taking suppressed the original version to a certain are number, and the variants had a much higher are number so within a month most cases showing up were the variants. The original is still around, and the same, but the one spreading the fastest takes over.

Anyway. My point was not to spread any misinformation, by direct numbers or implication. And the good news here is that with around 65% of the population having a least one dose of a vaccine our numbers of cases have begun to drop rapidly. We had a lot more vaccines in late April and early May, and once these have had the two weeks in arms the case rates start showing the decline in cases. We are still locked down in many ways. No inside dining, non-essential businesses not open (curbside pickup only), no outdoor dining yet. But I expect in two weeks outdoor dining will be allowed and businesses can reopen on a limited basis. Of course masks indoors, and no visiting other than your own households.

JustTK
06-06-21, 19:41
*thumbsup* I am in Sta Marta and it honestly feels like COVID is over. It clearly is not, but no one really cares anymore. Most people have already had the virus (suspected), so people go about their business like it is a normal day now.

People wear masks around their necks in case the police come looking for tips. Shop and restaurant staff need to wear masks to operate legally. Thats about all here now.


That's about the number I thought it was. The issue is also how communicable it is. The younger crowd wasn't getting it much during the first and second wave, but were in this third wave. Could be because more of the older cohort got vaccines first. Raising the proportions. But there is agreement that some of these variants are a lot more contagious. The simplest evidence is that they take over the cases as they have done here. Meaning that whatever measures we were taking suppressed the original version to a certain are number, and the variants had a much higher are number so within a month most cases showing up were the variants. The original is still around, and the same, but the one spreading the fastest takes over.

Anyway. My point was not to spread any misinformation, by direct numbers or implication. And the good news here is that with around 65% of the population having a least one dose of a vaccine our numbers of cases have begun to drop rapidly. We had a lot more vaccines in late April and early May, and once these have had the two weeks in arms the case rates start showing the decline in cases. We are still locked down in many ways. No inside dining, non-essential businesses not open (curbside pickup only), no outdoor dining yet. But I expect in two weeks outdoor dining will be allowed and businesses can reopen on a limited basis. Of course masks indoors, and no visiting other than your own households.

Villainy
06-06-21, 21:47
So I am wrong and you do not remember what it was about? Let me guess what party you are affiliated with.It is very rare that you make one and only one coherent argument. Usually you are all over the place but the crux of the issue was that you predicted less than 80,000 deaths from CoVid in the US.

Here is a fact for you. We're over 600,000. You were wrong. I misremembered the number at issue as 200,000 that would have been ridicously wrong as well. That is what happened and my political affiliation didn't impact those facts one bit.


LOL. So I was wrong, but again you cannot remember what it was about. Really?
And you guys and this wager thing are about as consistent as no mask, one mask, two masks Fauci. The dispute centered around the number of deaths expected from CoVid in the US. I guess the interesting part was you had your usual opinion based on whatever, but you knew you were full of it and weren't willing to back it up with a wager. No biggie. Maybe you couldn't afford the wager. Maybe you knew your opinion was full of cow droppings. Who knows what goes on inside your head.


Right you are doing the Democratic douche thing of making a statement and then going out and finding the facts that support it versus the scientific method where you collect the data first.
Actually what I said was that you could judge Sweden's failure or success based upon who you compared them to. Now you're lying. You said Sweden would reach herd immunity very quickly and the results would show how the Elvis / Sweden approach was superior. You cited a comparison to Belgium to 'lend support' to your specious argument. Hey it's OK. I can see you never took classes in debate or statistics or logic. But why would a used car salesman take classes like that? Slinging the bull is much better, right?


Uh, Sweden was stupid and inept? That is news to me.Well their approach to handling the virus was inept. Compare their results with those of their neighbors who took a much more cautious approach. The difference in results are striking.


Again, I could bring up countries with worse numbers than Sweden.Of course you can, but if you were intellectually honest (are you?) you would want to make a comparison with countries that have the most similar variables. I'm sure you want to point out that Sweden did better than Andorra, Czechia and Bahrain. The problem is that not all countries are equal comparisons. Using the countries that have the most similar factors makes for honest comparisons. I think they call that 'science'.


The scientific method huh? Hey, look, Paulie agrees with you. Sorry, douche, now you are really done for.I don't really know Paulie but if he thinks you are a windbag then I have to say I respect his judgement.


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stanford-peer-reviewed-study-did-not-find-evidence-lockdowns-were-effective-stopping-covid

LOL. I was jerking your chain. You said Zero Hedge, you read Zero Hedge right?Oh of course, I read every blog on the internet trying to find one that supports my nutty theories.


Here is the actual study done from Stanford that ZH referenced not that you will read it: https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/.I did read the study and a few things stand out. One it was conducted in part by the Department of Epidemiology which, of course, makes sense. I must say I'm surprised you didn't find an article authored in part by the Department of Ophthalmology. You seem to think that background is more germaine. I'm sure you glossed by this but the study was done early in 2020. I wonder if the subsequent evidence would reach the same conclusion. BTW the article also said:

""In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits. " With a year or more of results and a better understanding of how viral infections are spread, you might want to look at The WHO recommendations instead. They are more up to date.


It turns out what Sweden did was as effective as what anyone else did.The evidence points to a different conclusion. Are you familiar with Worldometer (or is that a Democratic conspiracy website as well?) ? You can review the results of various countries and see if you still think Sweden did an effective job.


Well, at least, we agree on one thing. You really should stop.Sure thing bud. I'll stop. But first let me educate you on a simple fact that you haven't yet grasped. And it is an important one. Just because someone is a Democrat or a Socialist or a Leftist or whatever pejorative term you want to use, that doesn't mean they aren't smarter than you are. It doesn't mean that they aren't right. Calling someone a Democratic douche doesn't make your argument valid. If anything it suggests you have been outwitted and can't find anything but insults to validate your opinion. I'll wait for your rebuttal thesis because if there is one thing everyone here has learned. Elvis will not stop without having the last word.

Elvis 2008
06-06-21, 22:42
I saw reports from Vegas in the last few days. Back to normal. Hate to throw rain on the parade. But with 30 to 50% of the people there not vaccinated (assuming the normal mix for the US) and if the variants are present there, there will be lots of Covid still to come.Zeos, just like there are crazy anti-vaxxers. There are crazy pro-vaxxers. They think that natural immunity does not count which is pure bullshit. There are 34 million documented cases of Covid in the USA. It is estimated that only one in three cases were caught. So toss in natural immunity with those vaccinated, and you are in the region where herd immunity occurs.


As for Colombia. Terrrible dilemma and situation.Yes, it is terrible but only because the Colombians listened to the blowhard experts. The mayor of Bogota caught religion and finally recognized the economic hardships she was putting on people, and I am actually proud of the Colombian people who rebelled.

I think the Bogota mayor was in a power struggle with President Duque and was using the crisis for political gain. They tried to out hard ass each other. I think this is an American author bitching about the stupidity of the mayor's rules: https://thebogotapost.com/the-mayor-who-cried-wolf/48738/.

Anyway, Colombia is rolling out the vaccines en masse. In three months, they will be where the USA is now. More importantly, all these bullshit restrictions are done forever this time around.


The lockdowns and measures to stop these variants will be virtually impossible to follow in a place like that.Okay, Zeos, you are Canadian and so I cannot call you a Democratic douche, but you need to keep up. This was one of the rare times the New York Times called out the CDC and got it right, https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing/outdoor-covid-transmission-cdc-number.html.

It appears to be based partly on a misclassification of some Covid transmission that actually took place in enclosed spaces (as I explain below). An even bigger issue is the extreme caution of see. The. See. Officials, who picked a benchmark — 10 percent — so high that nobody could reasonably dispute it.

That benchmark "seems to be a huge exaggeration," as Dr. Muge Cevik, a virologist at the University of St. Andrews, said. In truth, the share of transmission that has occurred outdoors seems to be below 1 percent and may be below 0. 1 percent.

So tell me, Zeos, if outdoor transmission is so rare, wouldn't locking people inside make it more likely the virus spreads? Lockdowns were not retarded. They were fucking retarded.

A more interesting thing involved social distancing. Where I saw social distancing used the most was in stores, in lines ETC, they were worthless because transmission usually involves people talking to each other for longer than 15 minutes. And where is that most likely to happen?

Well, one study showed 75% of the cases of virus were spread in the home. So if social distancing should have used anywhere, it was in the home. Social distancing may have worked but not in the way the governments employed it.

Again, we just had the Democratic douches on this forum show they are faith based, anti-scientific, arrogant blowhards that have bought hook, line, and sinker what the so called "experts" were saying at the beginning of the crisis. Don't be like them. The arrogant Democratic douche method of listening to the "scientists" is done. Right now, the Democratic douches still do not believe how corrupt and self-serving the "scientists" were. They will get it. Eventually, what is on Fox now will filter to CNN and MSNBC. The polls here already show a loss of faith in the experts by the public.

In the beginning, I thought Fauci was just an incompetent but well intentioned blowhard. I did not think he was an arrogant evil piece of shit who deserves to be put in jail. Now I do. He has committed enough perjury that he can be prosecuted. I had heard that he may have been partially responsible for the whole epidemic, but I did not really believe it. With the recently released emails, to me, it is a near certainty.

As for the Chinese, I thought any notion that they would have released the virus on purpose was totally absurd. Now looking at what happened with so many cases in the USA versus in China. I am not sure. I do not think they released it on purpose, but it is not ridiculous to say they did so. It is more accurate now IMO to say it was improbable. I am a true believer in incompetence over conspiracy, however I am seeing very clearly how China could have benefitted from releasing the virus, and I do not like it. Not at all. The Chinese Communist Party behaved horribly, and the world is catching on to how they truly behaved. The CCP has been using racism to deflect those attacks, but soon that is not going to work. We need to start looking at the CCP in the same light as we do the mafia.

Paulie97
06-07-21, 06:10
Of course you can, but if you were intellectually honest (are you?) you would want to make a comparison with countries that have the most similar variables. I'm sure you want to point out that Sweden did better than Andorra, Czechia and Bahrain. The problem is that not all countries are equal comparisons. Using the countries that have the most similar factors makes for honest comparisons. I think they call that 'science'.That's exactly what it's called.

PVMonger
06-07-21, 14:45
Zeos, just like there are crazy anti-vaxxers. There are crazy pro-vaxxers. They think that natural immunity does not count which is pure bullshit. There are 34 million documented cases of Covid in the USA. It is estimated that only one in three cases were caught. So toss in natural immunity with those vaccinated, and you are in the region where herd immunity occurs.

Yes, it is terrible but only because the Colombians listened to the blowhard experts. The mayor of Bogota caught religion and finally recognized the economic hardships she was putting on people, and I am actually proud of the Colombian people who rebelled.

I think the Bogota mayor was in a power struggle with President Duque and was using the crisis for political gain. They tried to out hard ass each other. I think this is an American author bitching about the stupidity of the mayor's rules: https://thebogotapost.com/the-mayor-who-cried-wolf/48738/.

Anyway, Colombia is rolling out the vaccines en masse. In three months, they will be where the USA is now. More importantly, all these bullshit restrictions are done forever this time around...Once again, you don't have a clue.

"Lockdowns" were used to "buy time". Without any lockdowns whatsoever, hospitals would have been overrun quickly and MORE people would have died.

It is an unfortunate fact that even during a lockdown, people leave their dwellings for a multitude of reasons. During any one of these sojurns, a person could get COVID. How they get it is irrelevant. Coupled with the fact that many South Americans live in cramped quarters in multigenerational households, one person can infect 10.

Wearing masks works (buy only when everybody wears them correctly). Distancing works and so does hand washing. The combo works very well but only when it is consistent. If only 50% of the population take 50% of the precautions, everybody loses. Look at the US. Almost 600,000 people have died. Most Republicans refuse to do the right thing so everybody loses. Maybe the solution is to vaccinate only Dems and Independents and let Republicans pound sand.

To say Fauci is incompetent is, well, incompetent. You act as if he should have known everything from the get-go. In reality, he altered his position when more data was available. Since you contend that nobody should do that, I'll use YOU as an example. You must have a 6-year-old's outlook on everything because changing your mind from what you thought as a 6-year-old means that you are incompetent.

Stop watching Fox and especially Tucker Carlson. Remember that his legal defense in the slander lawsuit was that nobody in their right mind would believe anything he says. That means you.

Elvis 2008
06-07-21, 19:31
Once again, you don't have a clue.

"Lockdowns" were used to "buy time". Without any lockdowns whatsoever, hospitals would have been overrun quickly and MORE people would have died.Can you Democratic read?

https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/

A group of researchers at Stanford published a peer-reviewed study earlier this month assessing the impact of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders — what they refer to as non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) in early 2020. The study did not find evidence to support that NPIs were effective in preventing the spread.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Now this is from the study paper itself, https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484.

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'm-plemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

Got that douche? What Sweden did was as effective as England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the United States. Why do you morons keep repeating these strict interventions worked?


Most Republicans refuse to do the right thing so everybody loses.Actually, Republicans were rightly skeptical of "scientists". The governor of Texas opened up the state and the doom and gloom you douches predicted failed to happen.


Stop watching Fox and especially Tucker Carlson. To say Fauci is incompetent is, well, incompetent. Oh, I see. So Tucker Carlson quotes Fauci's own emails, and you label him not worth listening to. You are so open minded. If you want to be critical of TC, have at it but don't watch him? That is all this country needs, another pro-censorship douche.

You actually turned a virus into a red-blue, liberal-conservative thing. Amazing.

But actually, douche, this was a discussion about what Colombia was doing, namely everything Fauci and what you government loving, civil rights hating, business loathing Democratic douches wanted, and what a fucking disaster it was. On this, you douches called Colombians stupid which makes me ask this question.

If Colombians are such noncompliant retards, why do you bother going there? Why not stay in the people's Republic of Califronia where you belong?

MarquisdeSade1
06-08-21, 00:50
Can you Democratic read?

https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/

A group of researchers at Stanford published a peer-reviewed study earlier this month assessing the impact of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders what they refer to as non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) in early 2020. The study did not find evidence to support that NPIs were effective in preventing the spread.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Now this is from the study paper itself, https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484.

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'm-plemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.

Got that douche? What Sweden did was as effective as England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the United States. Why do you morons keep repeating these strict interventions worked?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/opinion/pandemic-decision-making.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

MarquisdeSade1
06-08-21, 11:31
Can you Democratic read?

https://www.outkick.com/stanford-study-questions-benefits-of-lockdowns-and-stay-at-home-orders/

A group of researchers at Stanford published a peer-reviewed study earlier this month assessing the impact of lockdowns and stay-at-home orders what they refer to as non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) in early 2020. The study did not find evidence to support that NPIs were effective in preventing the spread.

"In summary, we fail to find strong evidence supporting a role for more restrictive NPIs in the control of COVID in early 2020," the study concludes. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures. The data cannot fully exclude the possibility of some benefits.

Now this is from the study paper itself, https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484.

Implementing any NPIs was associated with significant reductions in case growth in 9 out of 10 study countries, including South Korea and Sweden that I'm-plemented only lrNPIs (Spain had a nonsignificant effect). After subtracting the epi-demic and lrNPI effects, we find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country. While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less- restrictive interventions.https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/06/a-serious-country-would-jail-anthony-fauci/

JustTK
06-09-21, 02:31
Got that douche? What Sweden did was as effective as England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden and the United States. Why do you morons keep repeating these strict interventions worked?
Also if you scratch a little under the surface with what happened in Sweden, you will find that the government made huge mistakes with old age people's homes and there were many deaths there in the early months. These deaths would have happened had Sweden locked down or not. If you discount those early once-off deaths, Sweden actually had a very good record compared to nearly all European countries. Comes with having an effective public health system.

Paulie97
06-09-21, 04:08
Also if you scratch a little under the surface with what happened in Sweden, you will find that the government made huge mistakes with old age people's homes and there were many deaths there in the early months. These deaths would have happened had Sweden locked down or not. If you discount those early once-off deaths, Sweden actually had a very good record compared to nearly all European countries. Comes with having an effective public health system.You aren't scratching anything but dodging the issue just like your boy Elvirus. The early nursing home deaths were in the few thousands while Sweden's total Covid deaths approach 15,000, their neighbor Norway less then a thousand, Demark about 2,500, both of very similar demographics and both of which of course also have nursing homes. Masks and social distancing and similar protocols work when applied, bottom line. That's in spite of all the posturing, lying, Covid denialism, liberty over lives nonsense in the failed effort to save Trump's presidency. And the poster boy of all this Sweden, is also a failure. Now it's time to get shots in arms and move on. Those who cooperated in preserving lives until the vaccines could be developed are to be applauded.

LoveItHere69
06-09-21, 07:02
USA Centers for Disease Control.

Colombia Very High Risk (level 4).

USA High Risk (level 3).

China Low Risk (level 1).

The place it all started is Low Risk! Why? Because they (China) said so.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

If I had the money (1 mil) I would never return. Unlike all the celebrities that said it. I would do it in a heartbeat.

JustTK
06-09-21, 16:34
I am not sure what you think I am dodging. I wasnt asked any questions so I was not in a position to dodge, and I didn't make any claims about anything other than giving an explanation as to why Sweden had a high death rate early on.

You also seem to imply that you should be able to make direct comparisons between Sweden and say Finland or Norway, as if they share smthg more in common with each other than simple geographic location. But there are big differences too, which help explain differences and make comparisons w the rest of Europe fairer. Such as the number of low income immigrants who are more at risk to COVID.

I am not sure what you mean by posturing / lying etc. Who is supposed to have been doing that? I cannot comment bcos I don't understand what your saying.

Sweden did have pandemic measures in place. Its just that it remained more open. It valued liberty above authoritarian rules. It has done better than average in Europe. Significant when you consider it beat many countries with much stricter measures. I would never claim that is has the lowest death rate. That would be preposterous given the stats. However, I would say it struck a very good balance between liberty and risk. Of course, we could eliminate the virus if we all lived in our own caves for 2 years and threw away the keys. Justlike you could eliminate road deaths if you ban vehicles. But no one thinks that is a reasonable balance between liberty and risk.


You aren't scratching anything but dodging the issue just like your boy Elvirus. The early nursing home deaths were in the few thousands while Sweden's total Covid deaths approach 15,000, their neighbor Norway less then a thousand, Demark about 2,500, both of very similar demographics and both of which of course also have nursing homes. Masks and social distancing and similar protocols work when applied, bottom line. That's in spite of all the posturing, lying, Covid denialism, liberty over lives nonsense in the failed effort to save Trump's presidency. And the poster boy of all this Sweden, is also a failure. Now it's time to get shots in arms and move on. Those who cooperated in preserving lives until the vaccines could be developed are to be applauded.

Elvis 2008
06-09-21, 17:42
Also if you scratch a little under the surface with what happened in Sweden, you will find that the government made huge mistakes with old age people's homes and there were many deaths there in the early months. These deaths would have happened had Sweden locked down or not.And that is what led to the higher death rates early on. We had the governor of New York here make the same mistake.


Sweden did have pandemic measures in place. Its just that it remained more open. It valued liberty above authoritarian rules. It has done better than average in Europe. Significant when you consider it beat many countries with much stricter measures. I would never claim that is has the lowest death rate. That would be preposterous given the stats. However, I would say it struck a very good balance between liberty and risk. Of course, we could eliminate the virus if we all lived in our own caves for 2 years and threw away the keys. Justlike you could eliminate road deaths if you ban vehicles. But no one thinks that is a reasonable balance between liberty and risk.Wow, we have quite the rational poster on the forum for a change.

Paulie et al are going to believe Fauci and the CDC are heroes because they are Democratic douches. You show them the research, even from a heavily Democratic leaning university like Stanford, and they are not going to change their minds. What they do not get is that the Biden Administration is getting ready to cut Fauci loose.

The two big pieces of recent news were the release of Fauci's emails. These emails were requested in part by the Democratic newspaper The Washington Post and released by the Biden administration. And the other was a Washington Post reporter clearly being fed information by the Biden administration.

What has happened is the WP prints up stories that the email release was nothing for the Democratic douches to get drunk over. In reality, Jeff Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post, banned the selling of Fauci's book on Amazon, the company he started, on the basis of what was in the emails.

If you go to the 2:30 of this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqhKlkkc2Eo ,you will see a Washington Post reporter release the breaking news that Fauci started back gain of function virus research in the lab on his own after the Obama-Biden administration told him to stop it. It is pretty clear to me that he was given that information by the Biden administration and told not to blame Trump even though the reporter has been critical of Trump throughout his interview.

The real smoking gun is more like a stick of dynamite in that you need two parts, the dynamite and a match. This reporter's comment was the match.

The dynamite was Fauci's own words. See the link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3484390/.

Consider this hypothetical scenario: an important gain-of-function experiment involving a virus with serious pandemic potential is performed in a well-regulated, world-class laboratory by experienced investigators, but the information from the experiment is then used by another scientist who does not have the same training and facilities and is not subject to the same regulations. In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario—however remote—should the initial experiments have been performed and / or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

Scientists working in this field might say—as indeed I have said—that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky. However, we must respect that there are genuine and legitimate concerns about this type of research, both domestically and globally. We cannot expect those who have these concerns to simply take us, the scientific community, at our word that the benefits of this work outweigh the risks, nor can we ignore their calls for greater transparency, their concerns about conflicts of interest, and their efforts to engage in a dialog about whether these experiments should have been performed in the first place. Those of us in the scientific community who believe in the merits of this work have the responsibility to address these concerns thoughtfully and respectfully.

End of quote. So here you have Fauci as the hero of the pandemic when in fact he actually caused it. This fucker on his own assessed risk: benefit for the whole world.

And there were two competing theories for the origin of the virus. It was made by nature and it was made in the lab and leaked from the lab.

As the Washington Post reporter said, one of the other villains was Fauci's henchman Peter Daszak. He is the guy who funded Corona virus research in China, did the sham inspection of the Wuhan lab, and is the organizer of the paper written in Lancet that dismissed Covid 19 came from a lab. He sent an email to Fauci thanking him for pushing the natural origin theory with Covid 19. He and Fauci even got the tech companies to censor the lab leak theory.

Not that this is going to convince the Democratic douches of anything, but the video of the day is this complete scumbag Daszak bragging about the creation of the deadly strain of Covid-19. See the link: https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/daszak-reveals-chinese-colleagues-manipulating-coronaviruses/.

It really is fucking disgusting but I doubt it is going to change the minds of anyone. It seems like everyone just wants confirmation bias at this point.

Paulie97
06-09-21, 19:43
I am not sure what you think I am dodging.Yes you are dodging, and are simply wrong on this one. If Sweden falls then so do all the anti-maskers, Covid denier conspiracy theorists, etc. So they must twist themselves in knots trying to prop the country up. Watching it is both sad and comical.


You also seem to imply that you should be able to make direct comparisons between Sweden and say Finland or Norway, as if they share smthg more in common with each other than simple geographic location. But there are big differences too, which help explain differences and make comparisons w the rest of Europe fairer. Such as the number of low income immigrants who are more at risk to COVID. Sweden has far more in common with its Nordic neighbors than the rest of Europe thus making the comparisons more valid. And you've yet to point out any major differences between the Nordics, most notably Sweden, Demark, and Norway that would explain the gross disparities in Covid deaths, other than of course Covid policy. The common variables would be population densities, the existence of major urban centers with inbound and outbound international travel, transportation, and cultures. As to the immigrants, all three countries mentioned have accepted plenty of refugees from the Middle East. Sweden has welcomed the most, but not a volume enough to begin to account for the findings. For example 14.1% of Norway's residents have an immigrant background, while in Sweden it's 20%. Yet Sweden has 18+ times the number of Covid deaths but only double the total population. Now you can run form this to Belgium or France, or even Peru like Elvis, but you only demonstrate to an audience of mongers that you don't know how to do science.


I am not sure what you mean by posturing / lying etc. Who is supposed to have been doing that? I cannot comment bcos I don't understand what your saying.To put it bluntly you have an agenda or are just stupid. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the former. The former can possibly be fixed while the latter cannot. Any immunologist worth his salt would compare Sweden to it's Nordic neighbors before other countries in Europe or Peru because that's where by far the most common and significant variables exist. To argue otherwise is at best ignorant.


Sweden did have pandemic measures in place. Its just that it remained more open. It valued liberty above authoritarian rules. It has done better than average in Europe. Significant when you consider it beat many countries with much stricter measures. I would never claim that is has the lowest death rate. That would be preposterous given the stats. However, I would say it struck a very good balance between liberty and risk. Of course, we could eliminate the virus if we all lived in our own caves for 2 years and threw away the keys. Justlike you could eliminate road deaths if you ban vehicles. But no one thinks that is a reasonable balance between liberty and risk.And of course here come the very predictable logical fallacies. No one has suggested that anyone hide in a cave for two years. Norway and Demark didn't, yet while having very similar societies have a small fraction of the Covid deaths, the former 789, the latter 2520, while Sweden has 14,525. There's nothing reasonable about accepting all these excess deaths with lax policy chasing herd immunity. They fucked up. And in a word, screw your liberty to get in people's faces maskless during a once in a hundred years pandemic. Lives are more important. Also your car analogy is another fallacy, as like successful Covid protocols, we do take actions to deter auto deaths, vehicle safety, recalls, speed limits, seat belt laws, etc.

That said, this is my last Covid post in a monger forum. I've been indulging over a year now so have done my duty. Wink. Plus once you unravel all the Fox News esque nonsense a new one comes along repeating it over again. I have better things to do than go in circles.

Paulie97
06-09-21, 23:19
Of course having laws in place in no way assures enforcement and compliance. In fact a good portion of road deaths are the results of non-compliance, texting while driving, speeding, drunk driving, or operating an unsafe vehicle. To go leaping around the globe comparing very different societies to that of the Nordics while assuming broad compliance with Covid mandates in such countries is simply asinine. That especially holds true when leaping to South America, but hey maybe an eye doctor with a political agenda like Rand Paul would do it. Some mongers will do it as we've seen, but this point needs to be out there once more though it's already been made by me and others many times over the last year. It's very clear, Norway and Denmark did things in the matter of Covid that Sweden didn't, thus the drastically superior results as we come into the vaccines. No it wasn't inevitable that many millions die until natural herd immunity is achieved. The true scientists had it right, the fools and otherwise political ideologues wrong. The US is living proof of the value of the vaccines, and all the better if more MAGA morons would do the right thing for themselves and other and take the shots.

JustTK
06-10-21, 02:23
I am not from USA so I am neither Dem or Rep, but I can say that I think both parties are disgusting and I would vote for neither Fauci has been caught lying so many times now, for both sides. I believe his lies have directly led to to the deaths of many people and he should be locked away for a very long time. He won't be of course bcos he worked for US government and that would be a crazy idea!

When covid first broke, we all heard the idea that it was a lab leak. It sounded like a wild conspiracy theory at the time, and once Trump got behind it, I wrote it off as such. But recent evidence, as you point out, clearly show that CDC were funding research in to virus transmission between bats and humans. They were paying a Wuhan lab to do this for them. Fauci has admitted this. Si it now seems highly plausible that the virus came from a lab leak. I can't say I am certain but I am willing to believe the evidence, and I believe both China and USA is covering that up. As ever, the public is being sold a lie to cover up huge mistakes by powerful people. All descent is shut down, as it has been throughout the pandemic. But slowly the truth seems to be taking shape.


Paulie et al are going to believe Fauci and the CDC are heroes because they are Democratic douches. You show them the research, even from a heavily Democratic leaning university like Stanford, and they are not going to change their minds. What they do not get is that the Biden Administration is getting ready to cut Fauci loose.
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It really is fucking disgusting but I doubt it is going to change the minds of anyone. It seems like everyone just wants confirmation bias at this point.

JustTK
06-10-21, 02:27
Unfortunatelly you are making far too many false assumptions about me, and accusing me of positions that I don't have, to even bother to respond to your criticism.

I get the impression that you can only see things thru a Dem / Rep US-centric lens, and any other views dont make sense to you.


Yes you are dodging, and are simply wrong on this one. If Sweden falls then so do all the anti-maskers, Covid denier conspiracy theorists, etc. So they must twist themselves in knots trying to prop the country up. Watching it is both sad and comical.

Sweden has far more in common with its Nordic neighbors than the rest of Europe thus making the comparisons more valid. And you've yet to point out any major differences between the Nordics, most notably Sweden, Demark, and Norway that would explain the gross disparities in Covid deaths, other than of course Covid policy. The common variables would be population densities, the existence of major urban centers with inbound and outbound international travel, transportation, and cultures. As to the immigrants, all three countries mentioned have accepted plenty of refugees from the Middle East. Sweden has welcomed the most, but not a volume enough to begin to account for the findings. For example 14.1% of Norway's residents have an immigrant background, while in Sweden it's 20%. Yet Sweden has 18+ times the number of Covid deaths but only double the total population. Now you can run form this to Belgium or France, or even Peru like Elvis, but you only demonstrate to an audience of mongers that you don't know how to do science.

To put it bluntly you have an agenda or are just stupid. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the former. The former can possibly be fixed while the latter cannot. Any immunologist worth his salt would compare Sweden to it's Nordic neighbors before other countries in Europe or Peru because that's where by far the most common and significant variables exist. To argue otherwise is at best ignorant.

And of course here come the very predictable logical fallacies. No one has suggested that anyone hide in a cave for two years. Norway and Demark didn't, yet while having very similar societies have a small fraction of the Covid deaths, the former 789, the latter 2520, while Sweden has 14,525. There's nothing reasonable about accepting all these excess deaths with lax policy chasing herd immunity. They fucked up. And in a word, screw your liberty to get in people's faces maskless during a once in a hundred years pandemic. Lives are more important. Also your car analogy is another fallacy, as like successful Covid protocols, we do take actions to deter auto deaths, vehicle safety, recalls, speed limits, seat belt laws, etc.

That said, this is my last Covid post in a monger forum. I've been indulging over a year now so have done my duty. Wink. Plus once you unravel all the Fox News esque nonsense a new one comes along repeating it over again. I have better things to do than go in circles.

Mr Enternational
06-10-21, 02:45
I am not from USA so I am neither Dem or Rep, but I can say that I think both parties are disgusting and I would vote for neitherWell shit. I am from USA and I am neither. On election day I go with whoever is best for my needs at the time. Like I am for guns (which the Reps are but Dems are trying to get rid of) and pro weed (which the Dems claim to be but Biden ain't got the shit legalized yet.) But like you said they are both full of shit.

JustTK
06-10-21, 03:25
It would be easy to say that lies have dictated USA politics for way too long, which it has, but that would make a special case of US politics. I imagine lies have dictated politics in nearly every country for too long. Its very said to say that honest politicians are a very rare breed.


Well shit. I am from USA and I am neither. On election day I go with whoever is best for my needs at the time. Like I am for guns (which the Reps are but Dems are trying to get rid of) and pro weed (which the Dems claim to be but Biden ain't got the shit legalized yet.) But like you said they are both full of shit.

MarquisdeSade1
06-10-21, 14:23
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-origin-steele-dossier/2021/06/10/id/1024588/

Elvis 2008
06-11-21, 23:13
Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

So you can say Republicans are stupid, that is okay, but if you apply that same logic to blacks and Hispanics, then you are a racist piece of shit.

But what is really fucking pathetic that something as important as Covid vaccination has been turned into a political name calling football.

Mojo, my point with all this was that if you want to point someone to the Mayo Clinic page, that is fine, but this whole notion that people who get the vaccine are smart and those who do not are stupid needs to stop. I jumped on you for repeating that sentiment I have heard elsewhere. The vaccine has horrible side effects for some people and the benefit-risk ratio is not positive for everyone.

I apologize for venting with regards to your statement, however I read this stupid NYT comment and I am infuriated that they are politicizing the vaccinations.

MarquisdeSade1
06-12-21, 04:17
Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.

So you can say Republicans are stupid, that is okay, but if you apply that same logic to blacks and Hispanics, then you are a racist piece of shit..Anyone that calls white GOPers dum must be racist pieces of shit also? Is that what you are positing?

MarquisdeSade1
06-16-21, 01:59
Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care.

I read this, and I immediately think prejudice against the South, and Republicans are stupid.

Then I go here and read As observed in prior weeks, Black and Hispanic people have received smaller shares of vaccinations compared to their shares of cases and compared to their shares of the total population in most states.https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/jon-stewart-wuhan-lab-leak-late-show/2021/06/15/id/1025157/

JustTK
06-17-21, 01:44
If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

Created by the West, paid for by the West, covered up by the West, vaccinations investigated by the West. But produced in poor countries at cheap prices and exported to the West for Western consumption. The patented by the West, and sold back by the West to the poor countries at inflated prices once their own citizens have been vaxed.

As of end of April, 1 in 4 people in West have been vaxed. 1 in 500 in poor countries have been vaxed. This will cause more people in poor countries to die, and meanwhile the virus will mutate and bite the rich countries in the arse. That seems like moral justice to me for the disgusting morality shown by the West.

Mr Enternational
06-17-21, 02:29
If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).But didn't China claim it?

MiamiSammy
06-17-21, 02:31
If it turns out that CV came from a lab leak.

It would have been caused by rich countries paying for research on potentially lethal viruses (it could quite possibly be the USA that caused all this).

Created by the West, paid for by the West, covered up by the West, vaccinations investigated by the West. But produced in poor countries at cheap prices and exported to the West for Western consumption. The patented by the West, and sold back by the West to the poor countries at inflated prices once their own citizens have been vaxed.

As of end of April, 1 in 4 people in West have been vaxed. 1 in 500 in poor countries have been vaxed. This will cause more people in poor countries to die, and meanwhile the virus will mutate and bite the rich countries in the arse. That seems like moral justice to me for the disgusting morality shown by the West.No, it doesn't "turn out" that way. Just another batshit crazy conspiracy theory without any viable supporting evidence. Love your tin foil hat, BTW.

PVMonger
06-17-21, 13:51
Here is a study from the Cleveland Clinic on whether to vaccinate previously infected Covid personnel: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.

Then there are young men who have developed pericarditis and myocarditiis from the vaccines and the CDC is holding in emergency meeting: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-hold-emergency-meeting-after-100s-suffer-heart-inflammation-following-covid-vaccines.

Then you have this article in children 0 to 12 and why the vaccine is recommended for a specific subset of children: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/marty-makary/93029?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-06-11&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202021-06-11&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition.

There really should not be any politics with regards to vaccinations but of course there is.

This is from the NY Times: Eight of the 10 least-vaccinated states are in the South, a reflection of vaccine hesitancy and poor access to health care..So, did the Orange Buffoon pay big money to develop faulty vaccines or are side effects just part of vaccinations?

You only get to choose one answer. Trump supporters will never choose the first option so you must accept the second.

The risk of COVID far outweighs the "risk" of a minor reaction to the vaccine. And yes, people are dumb for not getting vaccinated. Here's an article from Science News (but Tucker didn't approve it, so). https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-vaccine-side-effects-coronavirus-myocarditis.

JustTK
06-17-21, 15:21
No, it doesn't "turn out" that way. Just another batshit crazy conspiracy theory without any viable supporting evidence. Love your tin foil hat, BTW.Its easy to ridicule smthg that you don't like, but can you explain wihch part is batshit crazy?

JustTK
06-17-21, 15:24
But didn't China claim it?Yes, if it turns out to be a lab leak, it would be a lab leak from China, obviously. But Fauci has already admitted that the CDC was funding the research in China. And you must ask urself why? Was it a collaboration? Was the USA funding smthg too dangerous to do in the USA? Was it trying to save money by having China do it? They know the situation, the risks. USA must at least take some responsibility, if not all.

ChuchoLoco
06-17-21, 19:48
Yes, if it turns out to be a lab leak, it would be a lab leak from China, obviously. But Fauci has already admitted that the CDC was funding the research in China. And you must ask urself why? Was it a collaboration? Was the USA funding smthg too dangerous to do in the USA? Was it trying to save money by having China do it? They know the situation, the risks. USA must at least take some responsibility, if not all.My guess and it's only a guess is that it was cheaper to outsource the research to China just like everything else.

BlackThought
06-19-21, 01:25
Keep in mind that you are talking to a guy that doesn't monger, doesn't travel, and admitted that he's never been to Colombia. But he did find a place to play around posting, here in ISG and naturally on the most active thread on the site.Makes sense. As he claims to be a ladies' man that can get rock bottom prices from any WG. Yet when jjbee asked him to prove it and join him on his Medellin trip in June, he claimed that he has a trip to Thailand booked. P.S. Thailand is closed due to covid LOL.

MarquisdeSade1
06-19-21, 06:47
Makes sense. As he claims to be a ladies' man that can get rock bottom prices from any WG. Yet when jjbee asked him to prove it and join him on his Medellin trip in June, he claimed that he has a trip to Thailand booked. P.S. Thailand is closed due to covid LOL.Your learning disabilities are quite pronounced, show us where I said I have plans for BKK?

Ill bet you 25 k USD you can't, try not talking out of your ass dum dum!

JjBee62
06-19-21, 16:28
Before I get to the session, I've got some words to say about Facebook.

On Wednesday on the flight to Bogota, we flew very close to Medellin. The sun had set and the city was all lit up, but at 39,000 feet there was still a lot of color in the sky. I snapped a picture, which turned out better than I hoped and posted it on Facebook. Although I've let a few girls know about my trip, I didn't make any general announcement.

That picture did the trick. By the end of the night, more than 20 girls had hit me up. It's been shared and liked more than any other photo I've posted. It's still getting likes and the number of girls reaching out to me has increased to 35. Most of them are second stringers, but a few are previous girls who I haven't talked to in 3 years or more. Once you build up a Facebook list, if you use it right, you will have more options than you can handle. It makes finding replacements easy.

Yesterday I took it fairly easy. Drove to Santa Fe mall in the morning to get some cash and then walked to La Strada for breakfast at Parmessano. Pretty good food, but more than I usually pay for breakfast. A short walk back and I bought some supplies at Jumbo.

Sent out messages to some local friends to set up some lunch dates. Then drove to Manila and met with one of them. Got caught up on the local gossip. From there, I went to Viva mall for lunch at Hatoviejo. Good Colombian food, but expensive. Usually I'm eating at the cheaper places, but yesterday I splurged.

After a trip back to the apartment to cool down and make sure the jacuzzi was clean and functional, I got back out into rush hour traffic and drove to Parque Lleras. Went to Ay Wey on Calle 10, a sports bar alternative to Patrick's and Hooters. Food was good, but portions were small for the price. Lots of attractive waitresses running around and they seem friendly.

While there I was contemplating whether I wanted some company. I'm still recovering and climbing 5 flights of stairs several times daily had me worn out. Sent out a message to a model, Facebook, Instagram girl who I chatted with in December and got a response at just the right time. Set up for her to meet me at the apartment at 10 pm. She pulled up at 10:25, so I consider that a win.

She's a taller black girl, 1.70 meters, very slender and very fit. Not quite 6 pack abs, but close. Her body is excellent, well proportioned and all natural. We spent the first 30 minutes chatting and drinking wine. Then the foreplay started. She was very responsive to everything I did and quite passionate. From there we moved to the jacuzzi, with lots more foreplay. Finally moved to the bed and got down to business, BBBJ, DATY and CFS. Her head game was decent, but the best part was after the condom went on. She rode me hard, rode me all the way through my nut and kept on riding. She kept grinding on me, kissing my neck and ear for almost 30 minutes, at one point rubbing herself, until she finally got off. Made me wish I'd brought a vibrator.

After she finally wound down, we talked a bit more before heading to the shower for a quick rinse. There was nothing business like or mechanical with her, until it was time to pay and call a taxi. She's got nice sized tits, with just a bit of droop, her ass is small by local standards, but well shaped. The pussy was tight and nicely wet. She did have a stronger than normal odor, but not a bad smell, made the room smell like sex. Overall she stayed almost 2 hours.

MarquisdeSade1
06-20-21, 07:13
My guess and it's only a guess is that it was cheaper to outsource the research to China just like everything else.https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/07/peritus-parasitus-wants-its-host-alive-but-not-healthy/

Paulie97
06-20-21, 07:30
Look what came of Elvis' so called "Stanford" anti-mask study. Fake, fraudulent, with misquotes, lies while it was falsely attributed to Stanford. Moral of the story? Don't pounce on everything that comes along on a wingnut blog like a kangaroo in heat. That's asking a lot I know.

https://www.stanforddaily.com/2021/05/02/anti-mask-article-falsely-claiming-stanford-affiliation-is-retracted-by-journal/

https://twitter.com/StanfordMed/status/1384957123864444930

Elvis 2008
06-21-21, 01:43
Look what came of Elvis' so called "Stanford" anti-mask study. Fake, fraudulent, with misquotes, lies while it was falsely attributed to Stanford. Moral of the story? Don't pounce on everything that comes along on a wingnut blog like a kangaroo in heat. That's asking a lot I know.That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche!

Dcrist0527
06-22-21, 00:21
That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche!The personal attacks are simultaneously amusing and frustrating. But I strongly agree with an important point Elvis made.

We know the double GCC code does not exist in nature, yet it's in the CV. So we know it's man made. We know where it originated. And even if you doubt that, ask yourself why Fauci and company rushed to defend that lab, before any legitimate study could be organized, let alone executed. Then ask yourself why Fauci covered up the funding. Why did he first say we didn't then make an incredulous claim that, yes, in fact we funded the lab but not those specific projects. LMAO.

This research was not done in China because of cheap labor. It was done in China because it was illegal in the US. Think about it. Do you really believe the people feeding at the trough from US grants were concerned about cheap labor? No. That's the whole game. Keep the US money flowing.

Doubt me? Go back 8 years when Fauci defended this type of research, saying it was worth the risk. The facts are obvious. And anyone that denies the facts is just a fool, a political hack. There is a lot to be learned. But for political reasons, on both sides, the games and political wins are more important. "Worth the risk".

John Clayton
06-22-21, 04:38
...We know the double GCC code does not exist in nature...Are you talking about the nucleotides guanine and cytosine? Or an amino acid sequence? (and why do I even try to understand?

Dcrist0527
06-22-21, 12:34
Are you talking about the nucleotides guanine and cytosine? Or an amino acid sequence? (and why do I even try to understand?LMAO Sorry, I'm an idiot. It's double CGG. A genetic scientist I am not. Haha But I have read a lot on this subject and I do believe this issue is as close to a smoking gun as we have.

John Clayton
06-22-21, 18:39
Are you talking about the nucleotides guanine and cytosine? Or an amino acid sequence? (and why do I even try to understand?Okay, I understand what you're saying. GCC is a codon that designates Alanine. GCC-GCC designates two Alanines. There are 35 other codons which also designate Alanine -- and the QAnon theory is that this could only be a result of engineering as this combination of codons would never appear in nature? But, they do. If you're interested (which I admit is unlikely) you can find a very understandable synopsis of the early "Lab Leak" hypothesis here:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/22/sci2-j22.html

Dcrist0527
06-22-21, 21:30
Okay, I understand what you're saying. GCC is a codon that designates Alanine. GCC-GCC designates two Alanines. There are 35 other codons which also designate Alanine -- and the QAnon theory is that this could only be a result of engineering as this combination of codons would never appear in nature? But, they do. If you're interested (which I admit is unlikely) you can find a very understandable synopsis of the early "Lab Leak" hypothesis here:

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/22/sci2-j22.htmlFirst, and importantly, I'll admit that some of this article is above my pay grade. Perhaps you are a genetic scientist. I am not.

That said, the article, and even your commentary, loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. Why? Because the article takes a political position to discount a theory. Likewise, when you associate a theory with QAnon, it exposes your bias. To be perfectly clear, I laugh at the Q nutjobs probably as much as you. But my larger point, science and politics should not mix. Adding that into the article does nothing more than expose the agenda of the author.

I'll go even further. The lack of curiosity is antithetical to science. There was a clear effort to halt any investigation before it could even start. Is that science? As each day goes by, the lies and coverup becomes more evident. What in the world do we gain by not uncovering the truth? For example, the WHO determined that live bats were not kept in the lab. We now know that's false based on video evidence. I'm going to really trigger some people here but I liken it to global warming. There is a dangerous lack of curiosity. We use the term "settled science". What? That term is almost an oxymoron. But here again, politics (and oh yes, that all important government funding trough) interfere with actual scientific work.

Beyond that, this article stops FAR short of debunking the hypothesis. For example:

"There is nothing mysterious about having a 'first example' of a virus with an FCS. Viruses sampled to date only give us a teeny-tiny fraction of all the viruses circulating in the wild."

So the author is speculating that since we've only decoded a small sample of viruses, well then a specific code must be out there. Except, that's not science. That's speculation. But yet he throws stones at "conspiracy theories". The irony!

I appreciate you sharing. I have my opinions and information only helps. I don't agree with your synopsis, or the author's premise, but it was interesting.

JjBee62
06-23-21, 00:03
First, and importantly, I'll admit that some of this article is above my pay grade. Perhaps you are a genetic scientist. I am not.

That said, the article, and even your commentary, loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. Why? Because the article takes a political position to discount a theory. Likewise, when you associate a theory with QAnon, it exposes your bias. To be perfectly clear, I laugh at the Q nutjobs probably as much as you. But my larger point, science and politics should not mix. Adding that into the article does nothing more than expose the agenda of the author.

I'll go even further. The lack of curiosity is antithetical to science. There was a clear effort to halt any investigation before it could even start. Is that science? As each day goes by, the lies and coverup becomes more evident. What in the world do we gain by not uncovering the truth? For example, the WHO determined that live bats were not kept in the lab. We now know that's false based on video evidence. I'm going to really trigger some people here but I liken it to global warming. There is a dangerous lack of curiosity. We use the term "settled science". What? That term is almost an oxymoron. But here again, politics (and oh yes, that all important government funding trough) interfere with actual scientific work..Perhaps you meant to quote a different section of the article.

"There is nothing mysterious about having a 'first example' of a virus with an FCS. Viruses sampled to date only give us a teeny-tiny fraction of all the viruses circulating in the wild. "

I'll try to put that quote into context for you. Although it shouldn't be necessary because the article clearly states that other CoVs have an FCS and gives examples.

Let's connect it to mongering, just for fun. Let's say you only recently started mongering and the small sample of girls you've been with have given pretty much the same service, CBJ, CFS and mechanical performance. It's not speculation to say girls who provide better service probably exist, because there are millions out there and you've only experienced a few. When you encounter a girl who gives 5 star service would you immediately assume she was bioengineered or would you just expand your knowledge base?

This is what Dr. Anderson is saying. Because only a tiny portion of existing viruses have been decoded, it's to be expected that new information will be discovered as new viruses are decoded.

MarquisdeSade1
06-23-21, 04:37
That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche!They are selling or giving away vaccines that are 100% h20 jajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

John Clayton
06-23-21, 05:27
LMAO Sorry, I'm an idiot. It's double CGG. A genetic scientist I am not. Haha But I have read a lot on this subject and I do believe this issue is as close to a smoking gun as we have.CGG codes for Arginine -- and your point is? As far as CGGCGG not existing in nature, it does. You can search and find millions of snippets of "...somethingsomethingCGGCGGsomethingsomething... ". As far as, "...read a lot on this subject...", you have to learn to distinguish between sources. I recommend that you study some sort science before you comment with such assurance on it. People, in general, value certainty; whereas, science is about uncertainty. People want an answer. Unfortunately, there is no "smoking gun". The evidence at this point for any origin hypothesis is very thin, which is unsatisfying for most people. The answer, if we ever find it, will probably come from careful analysis done by many scientists -- not by internet sleuths. Based on similar viruses, the odds at this point are that the origin is zoonotic.

The Republicans (e. G. , Tom Cotton, QAnon, etc) have seized on "Lab Leak", "Gain of Function", "Bioengineering" as a way to distract us from their incompetence. We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity.

One other point about "Gain of Function", this virus is gaining a hell of a lot more function than it could have in the lab. Why? Because we have politicized both mask wearing and vaccination and simply let it run wild -- it's mutating like fucking mad every second. Regardless of the origin of this virus, we, as humans, have to get together and crush it. If you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated.

Elvis 2008
06-23-21, 07:05
You are getting there, Dchrist. This is covered in the medium.com article:

Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.

How then did SARS2 acquire its furin cleavage site? Either the site evolved naturally, or it was inserted by researchers at the S1/ S2 junction in a gain-of-function experiment.

For those who think SARS2 may have escaped from a lab, explaining the furin cleavage site is no problem at all. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/ S2 junction in the laboratory," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. "At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including by Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. ".

Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus "would probably" have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it's obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

End of quote.

Let's go to Jon Stewart's chocolate example. If there is an outbreak of choclately goodness in Hershey, PA, the FCS is the wrapper around the chocolate and what was found in Hershey? Tons and tons of wrappers, but the wrappers, which can easily be made by man, are a little different than those known to be made by man. But Anderson argues, well argues in March 2020 not January 2020, because no person is known to have made that exact wrapper, man didn't make it. Nature did.

But it is even worse than that because if you think it cannot get even more stupid, it does.

Dr. Kristian Andersen who was "steadfast" that the virus came from nature in JC's article, actually wrote Anthony Fauci a few weeks before the infamous Nature article. And their conversation went something like this.

Andersen: Fauci, my team and I have looked at the chocolate wrapper, and we all think it is man made.

Fauci: Okay, Andersen, let's talk.

Five weeks later, Andersen says to the world via the Nature article: My team and I have examined the wrapper, and it clearly originated in nature and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theorist.

Two months later, Fauci says to Andersen: Great job on that paper! Here is a $1. 88 million bribe, I mean grant.

A few weeks ago, the email conversations between Fauci and Andersen become public and Andersen deletes thousands of his online tweets.

Then you get JC's article which is titled, How science demolishes the right-wing fiction of a Wuhan "lab leak" as the source of coronavirus and make Andersen into a hero.

So do the Democratic douches get it? Maybe they do not feel as strongly as I do and want these POS assholes Andersen, Fauci, and Dazsak sued into the next century but could they at least say that Anderson was conflicted or hypocritical?

Nah. All these douches do is hear the right wing thinks one way and they go the other. Somehow anyone attacking Andersen based on Andersen's own words and actions is a Q'Anon nut job per JC.

And JJBee is like "Let me explain Andersen to you. We do not know all the wrappers nature can produce."

All you have to do to get these douches to turn off their brains is wrap everything up in a red-blue conflict. The question I have with the article that JC linked, "Is how much did China pay for it?

Elvis 2008
06-23-21, 07:08
We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity.And this is the definition of being a Democratic douche. Fauci, Dazsak, Andersen, the bat lady and the CCP get off scot free because of these fucking douches.

Elvis 2008
06-23-21, 07:19
But on Australian TV. The leading journalist on lab leak is Sherri Markson in Australia. Again, she uncovers Fauci being the short sighted fool he is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c7vInnhSlY

What Fauci says at the 5:40 mark is unreal.

If Fauci said and did the things he did and was in the private sector, he would be stripped of his medical license, tarred and feathered verbally in court, and forced into bankruptcy.

What is so frustrating to me is that he is going to escape his fate because the Dems used him to make Trump look badly. To the Democratic douches, 4 million deaths was a small price to pay to get rid of Trump.

Dcrist0527
06-23-21, 12:58
CGG codes for Arginine -- and your point is? As far as CGGCGG not existing in nature, it does. You can search and find millions of snippets of "...somethingsomethingCGGCGGsomethingsomething... ". As far as, "...read a lot on this subject...", you have to learn to distinguish between sources. I recommend that you study some sort science before you comment with such assurance on it. People, in general, value certainty; whereas, science is about uncertainty. People want an answer. Unfortunately, there is no "smoking gun". The evidence at this point for any origin hypothesis is very thin, which is unsatisfying for most people. The answer, if we ever find it, will probably come from careful analysis done by many scientists -- not by internet sleuths. Based on similar viruses, the odds at this point are that the origin is zoonotic.

The Republicans (e. G. , Tom Cotton, QAnon, etc) have seized on "Lab Leak", "Gain of Function", "Bioengineering" as a way to distract us from their incompetence. We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity..As for the science, even the article you provided admitted that there is not another known virus with that sequence in nature. They speculate that it must be out there. But the fact is it hasn't been found.

But I do hope you recognize the irony of your position. You warn me about sourcing but disqualify sources based on politics. Tom Cotton? The next word I hear out of his mouth on this topic will be the first. Gain of function research has nothing to do with politics. Nothing. The facts are plain as day, despite Fauci's lies and coverups. Masks aren't political. There are sheep on both sides. Some will go to their grave clinging to their mask because of illogical fear thrown at them from the left. And there are some that will enjoy burning masks while sipping bleach because Trump said so. None of that changes the science of masks, which I don't want to get into now.

It's the old FoxNews vs CNN debate. Both sides are guilty. Which is exactly why I discount much of your commentary. "Trump's denialism and Republican complicity." You know why politicizing it is dangerous? Vaccine hesitation is real. The left wants to "politicize" it. Do you know what the hesitancy rate is in the black community? Call me crazy but that's not a bastion of Trump support. But political hacks and their sheep would rather score political points than address an issue. See the border issue. See immigration. They are making this a political issue and you are falling for it.

Lastly, you make a great point. But you contradict it. Science is about uncertainty. That is 100% accurate. So why then do we have many in the science community pushing a narrative / conclusion when there is so much uncertainty? I appreciate the conversation and your perspective.

Dcrist0527
06-24-21, 01:45
And this is the definition of being a Democratic douche. Fauci, Dazsak, Andersen, the bat lady and the CCP get off scot free because of these fucking douches.That is the most ludicrous part. The group that somehow is certain is not a lab leak can ignore a mountain of scientific and circumstantial evidence. They lack any curiosity to investigate. And this has the historical import of perhaps both world wars combined.

As with everything, you follow the money for answers. Fauci is on record saying this risk, this very risk of a pandemic, is worth it. For the Fauci fans, do you agree it was worth it? So he favors the research. Fact. He funds the research. Fact. And when it goes bad? Cover it up. Masks are ineffective. Wear three masks. Masks were for optics. And this is the clown, err, the expert they cling to. Comical. This man should be liable along with Daszak, and all of their Chinese conspirators. Given the outcome, he should be in jail.

Bud Kona
06-24-21, 03:38
15-25 years ago I used to be quite active on a number of quality mongering sites (Penhball, XTreme, etc.) Most of you idiots would not have been invited there or even known of their existence. Those highly informative and supportive sites are long gone now due to.

Assholes who were unable to stay out of politics and trolling for a fight. For years I keep dropping back in here (since WSG disintegrated) to see if there is any useful info for my next trip. Mostly I find posts that have nothing to do with the subject of this site.

And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.

LoveItHere69
06-24-21, 04:14
And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.I posted a few days ago with identical thoughts and it never appeared on the site. Let's see if this one appears. One of my bitches was that MarquisdeSade1 has never been to Colombia but is now posting stuff about his trips here and there are idiots commenting on his BS posts and asking him for advice. His BS has been commented about several times and the moderators do nothing. Unreal! Many of my posts are not nice but are accurate and are deleted by moderators for hurting feelings. I will PM you and share Centro info. I do not post much of the real information because so many are unworthy and I would have to go to great detail to explain.

PVMonger
06-24-21, 13:01
You are getting there, Dchrist. This is covered in the medium.com article:

Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.

How then did SARS2 acquire its furin cleavage site? Either the site evolved naturally, or it was inserted by researchers at the S1/ S2 junction in a gain-of-function experiment.

For those who think SARS2 may have escaped from a lab, explaining the furin cleavage site is no problem at all. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/ S2 junction in the laboratory," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. "At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including by Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. ".

Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus "would probably" have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it's obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

End of quote..1. Why do you bring up "circumstantial evidence"? If circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict the orange fruitcake then it isn't good enough here.

2. I put on my pants this morning. It rained this morning. Are the two connected?

Dcrist0527
06-24-21, 13:32
15-25 years ago I used to be quite active on a number of quality mongering sites (Penhball, XTreme, etc.) Most of you idiots would not have been invited there or even known of their existence. Those highly informative and supportive sites are long gone now due to.

Assholes who were unable to stay out of politics and trolling for a fight. For years I keep dropping back in here (since WSG disintegrated) to see if there is any useful info for my next trip. Mostly I find posts that have nothing to do with the subject of this site.

And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.I'm the moron? You're the one looking through a thread called Stupid Shit in Medellin for valuable information? LMAO.

The mods do give some latitude in the Stupid Shit threads for the various locales. In my opinion, that is a phenomenal solution. I've seen them move stupid shit posted in the "normal" threads into stupid shit so people clearly no there's virtually zero monger value.

Maybe this thread is just not meant for the hypersensitive.

MiamiSammy
06-24-21, 14:07
Could someone please recommend a nice comfortable girl friendly hotel in Medellin? Close to the action and nice property. I am fluent in Spanish so the language is no issue.

This will be my first time in Colombia but am a seasoned traveler. Please give me the top 5 hotels.

Gracias.First off, you need to do some due diligence and read through the posts. There's plenty of information regarding girl friendly hotels, but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. You're going to have to earn some cred. Traveling the rest of the world is a wonderful thing, but it won't necessarily inform you about traveling or mongering in Colombia. A good place to start would be the Mansion.

HotelAl
06-24-21, 14:43
First off, you need to do some due diligence and read through the posts. There's plenty of information regarding girl friendly hotels, but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. You're going to have to earn some cred. Traveling the rest of the world is a wonderful thing, but it won't necessarily inform you about traveling or mongering in Colombia. A good place to start would be the Mansion.What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.

JjBee62
06-24-21, 15:42
What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.Although you're correct about the crappy attitude, which seems to have become a requirement for posting here, your request is not simple to answer.

Which action are you looking for? Are you interested in the street action in El Centro, or the street action in Parque Lleras? Are you interested in the casas in Laureles or El Centro? Are you interested in getting girls off of Facebook and other online sites? What type of budget do you have? Other than girl friendly, what other amenities are important to you?

The Medellin Mansion, search Hotel M Medellin, might be a good place for you to start while you decide what type of mongering appeals most to you.

Mr Enternational
06-24-21, 15:42
What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.From the looks of it, neither would you ever make a trip report. Maybe you will get it one day. 16 years ago I posted such a question as yours in the Bangkok forum. I was told to Read The Fucking Forum. That day I did not get it, but today I do. He was saying all that info is already here for your reading enjoyment. He even told you that you should probably start out at The Mansion. But fuck his advice because of his attitude of wanting you to research for yourself instead of popping up to be spoon fed.

99% of your posts is questions and the other 1% is I remember so and so. But there is not 1 trip report from all this info gathering. You are a senior member that has not put anything into the pot but wants to take out of the pot. Very unbecoming sir.

Nounce
06-24-21, 16:42
What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.He gave you the answer but not the answer you want to hear. He even took the time to write a meaningful reply while some will just ignore you. If you had asked one or two, then his answer is probably the best, but you asked for "top 5".


but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five.


A good place to start would be the Mansion.

GreenBud
06-24-21, 19:25
The convenience store "D1" which is everywhere sells cheap Tequila 750 ML for 40,000 COP / 3600 = $11.11.IMO, 40 K COP is expensive for Colombians.

It's about 10 K COP more than the daily minimum wage.

You will need 1 K COP more to do an above average Santa Fe girl. 35 K COP for a decent girl, not 25 K for that chubby girl. And 6 K COP for the room. So 41 K COP total. Should be similar numbers in Veracruz/Plaza.


And downloaded cabify and uber.

Zero issues.

If you think Didi, a Chinese company with a pre-IPO market cap of approximately 95 billion dollars, is putting in malware into their App, then you have a major news story! Expose it and be famous. LOL!

MarquisdeSade1
06-24-21, 19:45
That is the most ludicrous part. The group that somehow is certain is not a lab leak can ignore a mountain of scientific and circumstantial evidence. They lack any curiosity to investigate. And this has the historical import of perhaps both world wars combined.

As with everything, you follow the money for answers. Fauci is on record saying this risk, this very risk of a pandemic, is worth it. For the Fauci fans, do you agree it was worth it? So he favors the research. Fact. He funds the research. Fact. And when it goes bad? Cover it up. Masks are ineffective. Wear three masks. Masks were for optics. And this is the clown, err, the expert they cling to. Comical. This man should be liable along with Daszak, and all of their Chinese conspirators. Given the outcome, he should be in jail.https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/23/the-party-of-science-cant-do-math/

MarquisdeSade1
06-24-21, 20:04
IMO, 40 K COP is expensive for Colombians.

It's about 10 K COP more than the daily minimum wage.

You will need 1 K COP more to do an above average Santa Fe girl. 35 K COP for a decent girl, not 25 K for that chubby girl. And 6 K COP for the room. So 41 K COP total. Should be similar numbers in Veracruz/Plaza.A Chinese company with a pre-IPO market cap of approximately 95 billion dollars, is putting in malware into their App, then you have a major news story! Expose it and be famous.

Yeah wtf was I thinking? A Chinese company do something evil? Never!! My apologies for pointing out my experience.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/us/02toothpaste.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/17/health/17poison.html

I can post tens of thousands of other links, as if I needed anyone to believe what I'm posting.

So China would put poison in toothpaste and kill children but not malware on my fone in a 3rd world country? OMG thanks so much for setting me straight!!

Post-script?

Do you work for didi by any chance?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

theyre selling h2o jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

but anyone that thinks they use malware/spyware is insane

GreenBud
06-24-21, 20:44
Yeah wtf was I thinking?Most people don't know. I can only speculate.


My apologies for pointing out my experience.The apology should be for posting in the Medellin thread, where that post (and most others) should be in the "Stupid Shit" thread.


OMG thanks so much for setting me straight!!I'm trying. But you can't fix stupidity and BS.


Do you work for didi by any chance?I wish! That IPO listing is going to be huge. I would love to have a small piece of that.

Ok. IF that experience is real, then you have a faulty cause and effect. Example: malware might have been installed before you loaded Didi. Maybe the previous day or the previous week where you clicked on a link on an infected website. And then you started to notice the malware (or it was turned on later) when you used/installed Didi.

MarquisdeSade1
06-24-21, 21:02
Most people don't know. I can only speculate.

The apology should be for posting in the Medellin thread, where that post (and most others) should be in the "Stupid Shit" thread.

I'm trying. But you can't fix stupidity and BS.

I wish! That IPO listing is going to be huge. I would love to have a small piece of that.

Ok. IF that experience is real, then you have a faulty cause and effect. Example: malware might have been installed before you loaded Didi. Maybe the previous day or the previous week where you clicked on a link on an infected website. And then you started to notice the malware (or it was turned on later) when you used/installed Didi.This is a forum for heterosexual biological males. Are you lost?

MarquisdeSade1
06-24-21, 21:05
malware might have been installed before you loaded Didi. Maybe the previous day or the previous week where you clicked on a link on an infected website. And then you started to notice the malware (or it was turned on later) when you used/installed Didi.Or maybe.

Or maybe.

Occams razor.

https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/jon-stewart-wuhan-lab-leak-late-show/2021/06/15/id/1025157/

Elvis 2008
06-24-21, 23:16
If you think Didi, a Chinese company with a pre-IPO market cap of approximately 95 billion dollars, is putting in malware into their App, then you have a major news story! Expose it and be famous. LOL!Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.

Let me guess what political party you belong to.

MarquisdeSade1
06-25-21, 02:24
Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.

Let me guess what political party you belong to.And / or country of birth? Or their parents?

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/apps-remove-from-your-phone

Too many America haters on ISG.

Nounce
06-25-21, 02:49
Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.

Let me guess what political party you belong to.The article said they are victims. The news is 6 years old. Apple is a DiDi investor and has a seat on the board. Uber is also a share holder. What he is saying, they don't have to use malware to make money. Xcode is free of charge.

GreenBud
06-25-21, 03:29
Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.Not really. That old article says hackers did it, not Didi.


Let me guess what political party you belong to.I'm more of a Reagan Democrat. Whatever happened to THAT Republican party!

MarquisdeSade1
06-25-21, 04:26
Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.

Let me guess what political party you belong to.https://www.newsmax.com/politics/business-communist-forcedtechnologytransfer/2021/06/06/id/1024086/

MarquisdeSade1
06-25-21, 04:42
Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.

Let me guess what political party you belong to.https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/22/is-trump-the-future-of-the-republican-party/

MarquisdeSade1
06-26-21, 05:32
Nah, that story has already been written: http://www.thatsmags.com/china/post/11192/should-iphone-users-be-worried-about-malware-in-wechat-and-other-popular-chinese-apps.

Let me guess what political party you belong to.Most companies are controlled behind the scenes to a greater or lesser extent by the CCP.

The bigger the company the more likely they are "CCP-controlled".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/how-xi-and-the-ccp-turned-on-jack-ma-ant-and-china-s-fintech-companies

JustTK
06-26-21, 20:19
Most companies are controlled behind the scenes to a greater or lesser extent by the CCP.
The bigger the company the more likely they are "CCP-controlled".
And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?

The USA government spies on all its own citizens, also on the citizens of other compliant countries that submit to their bullying. They use public money to proper up the financial gangsters that propel the economy, they start wars to protect and control resources, they fund dicatators that allow them to exploit economies, the destroy countries then refuse to accept the refugees that they create.

Is this the freedom that you all crave?

Nounce
06-26-21, 21:21
And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?There are several differences. One that you can easily observe is that super wealthy people in the west rarely get killed, jailed or disappear.

MarquisdeSade1
06-26-21, 21:56
And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?

The USA government spies on all its own citizens, also on the citizens of other compliant countries that submit to their bullying. They use public money to proper up the financial gangsters that propel the economy, they start wars to protect and control resources, they fund dicatators that allow them to exploit economies, the destroy countries then refuse to accept the refugees that they create.

Is this the freedom that you all crave?https://www.britannica.com/topic/fallacy-of-non-sequitur

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/technology/china-surveillance.html

Are you just another anti American troll?

BTW do you like slavery?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/fashion/uighur-forced-labor-cotton-fashion.html

JustTK
06-26-21, 22:40
Like Epstein, you mean? . It would be a difference if you have stats to support the claim that super rich people go AWOL in China in greater numbers than in the West.

But why would that even be important? Its only important if your super rich, which doesn't apply to 99.999% of the people. Surely, its a fairer expression of the law if rich people are jailed, no?


There are several differences. One that you can easily observe is that super wealthy people in the west rarely get killed, jailed or disappear.

Nounce
06-27-21, 00:38
Like Epstein, you mean? .Epstein is rich, but not super rich. Unless you think his death is because he opposed democracy or any political leader.

Villainy
06-27-21, 00:50
Most companies are controlled behind the scenes to a greater or lesser extent by the CCP.

The bigger the company the more likely they are "CCP-controlled".

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/how-xi-and-the-ccp-turned-on-jack-ma-ant-and-china-s-fintech-companiesWhat a stupid comment that doesn't even remotely reflect what was written in the article. Most of the giant corporations in China are not CCP controlled. Fin-tech companies are being restructed.

Because they make consumer loans without holding any required reserves. Banks are not allowed to do this. This gives the fin-tech companies an unfair advantage vs banks and the Chinese regulators.

Restricted these practices in order to avoid a financial fiasco similar to what the US an Europe experiences in 2010-11. I'm sure this will come as a complete surprise to you but US banks have a boatload.

Of restrictions and consumer protections as well. Are our banks and fin-tech companies US Government controlled too??

MarquisdeSade1
06-27-21, 04:12
What a stupid comment Firstly, stop the projecting!

Secondly, are you really suggesting that the CCP and the US govt are comparable?

Seriously?

Do you think anyone in the world besides CCP apologists like yourself would agree with you.

Maybe start with asking Ma Yun where he rather live and do business.

JustTK
06-27-21, 18:41
Are you just another anti American troll?I am not a troll at all. Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean. I am pro-America, hence I am against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against the majority of the people of the Americas.


BTW do you like slavery?I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses.

If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources.

MarquisdeSade1
06-27-21, 18:55
I am not a troll at all. Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean. I am pro-America, hence I am against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against the majority of the people of the Americas.

I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses.

If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources.I am not a troll at all.

You sure?

Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean sounds like an unambiguous yes, to me.

"I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses."

Grow up already!

WTF did you take poli sci at Oberlin and flunk out? Jajajaja.

You sound like Lena Dunham, jajaja.

Do you know this is a mongering forum LOL.

I will never say the USA is perfect, but on the whole it is a net positive for the world, unlike China and the CCP, they are an overwhelming net negative, with every metric.

BTW your platitudes are laughable, please save them for twitter!!

"If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources".

Your anti American bias is glaring, look in the mirror and stop projecting and for gods sake stop watching are. Maddow on a loop 24/7, "he / she / it" is making you delusional.

Hey admin please no mas blue hairs!

MarquisdeSade1
06-27-21, 19:09
I am not a troll at all. Am I anti-American? - Depends what you mean. I am pro-America, hence I am against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against the majority of the people of the Americas.

I am against all forms of oppression, hence I against what the USA Govt has done and continues to do against people around the world to support its oligarchical structures. That is a form of slavery, obscene exploitation and human rights abuses.

If you can only see one part of the political landscape that we are all subjected to and for what it really is, I suggest you change your news sources.Are you on the CCP payroll?

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-china-russia-disinformation-playbook-c49b6f3b-2a9a-47c1-9065-240121c9ceb2.html

Deflect, minimize, change the subject.

Spin, misinformation, disinformation lies lies and sum more lies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-nuclear-strikes-against-los-angeles-2016-6

Villainy
06-28-21, 00:06
Are you on the CCP payroll?

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-china-russia-disinformation-playbook-c49b6f3b-2a9a-47c1-9065-240121c9ceb2.html

Deflect, minimize, change the subject.

Spin, misinformation, disinformation lies lies and sum more lies.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-nuclear-strikes-against-los-angeles-2016-6You are quick to criticize other people and question their patriotism. You don't know if he served our country in uniform, you don't know anything about him. But if you don't approve of his exercise of free speech then you can decide whether he is anti-American or not. Our country went through a time in the 50's when other blowhards adopted a similar attitude. The biggest of the windbags was Joseph McCarthy. You might want to read a little about those times.

But just to help you understand. You're a windbag on a hooker-board. You don't know anything about other people on here and certainly not enough to question their patriotism and you sure as hell don't know anything about China either. You don't know how their political system interfaces with their economic system. You apparently don't have any clue how their corporations operate. You seem to think that the Chinese communism model is just like the Russian communism construction and they are vastly different.

Why don't you spend a little time writing about places you've been to and seen and how you squeezed the 'putas' for every last mil because that's how you roll. That seems to fit your base of experience better.

MarquisdeSade1
06-28-21, 03:15
. You seem to think that the Chinese communism model is just like the Russian communism construction and they are vastly different.Yes they are different, China takes evil to a whole new level, and makes the old USSR fools look like Bernie Sanders.

They have 1.4 billion people held captive, I'm guessing 99.9999% would love to leave for anywhere else.

How many of the other 6. 5 billion people of the world want to migrate to CCP land? Probably 0% besides maybe you and a few other CCP asslickers on ISG.

MarquisdeSade1
06-28-21, 03:34
Why don't you spend a little time writing about places you've been to and seen and how you squeezed the 'putas' for every last mil because that's how you roll. "How I roll?" wowwww what are you 12? Or 92 trying to sound 12?

Are you jealous I don't get overcharged like you, by third world illiterate putas?

So you want to criticize me for not being overcharged wowwwwwwww you are a top notch whack job jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Such sorry sour grapes. WHOMP WHOMP, I'm sorry life sucks so badly for you!!

MarquisdeSade1
06-28-21, 12:40
You are quick to criticize other people and question their patriotism. You don't know if he served our country in uniform, you don't know anything about him. But if you don't approve of his exercise of free speech then you can decide whether he is anti-American or not. Our country went through a time in the 50's when other blowhards adopted a similar attitude. The biggest of the windbags was Joseph McCarthy. You might want to read a little about those times.

But just to help you understand. You're a windbag on a hooker-board. You don't know anything about other people on here and certainly not enough to question their patriotism and you sure as hell don't know anything about China either. You don't know how their political system interfaces with their economic system. You apparently don't have any clue how their corporations operate. You seem to think that the Chinese communism model is just like the Russian communism construction and they are vastly different.

Why don't you spend a little time writing about places you've been to and seen and how you squeezed the 'putas' for every last mil because that's how you roll. That seems to fit your base of experience better.https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-china-bigger-danger-than-russia-says-romney-20210627-kbarwymftjeg3e55zvav3kjrwi-story.html

https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/chinese-media-says-beijing-expanding-its-nuclear-arsenal/

https://www.newsweek.com/china-state-media-says-country-must-prepare-nuclear-war-us-after-biden-asks-covid-probe-1596568

JustTK
06-28-21, 12:56
Don't worry he is just low educated and ignorant. He clearly cannot read and understand too well. He just sees narratives that he wants to attack and then accuses othres of holding those views. Its quite amusing really. He accuses me of being pro-Chinese yet I posted nothing about China. He accuses me of many lies yet fails to point to a single one. Nothing of any substance.


You are quick to criticize other people and question their patriotism. You don't know if he served our country in uniform, you don't know anything about him. But if you don't approve of his exercise of free speech then you can decide whether he is anti-American or not. Our country went through a time in the 50's when other blowhards adopted a similar attitude. The biggest of the windbags was Joseph McCarthy. You might want to read a little about those times.

But just to help you understand. You're a windbag on a hooker-board. You don't know anything about other people on here ...

MarquisdeSade1
06-29-21, 23:35
Don't worry he is just low educated and ignorant. He clearly cannot read and understand too well. He just sees narratives that he wants to attack and then accuses othres of holding those views. Its quite amusing really. He accuses me of being pro-Chinese yet I posted nothing about China. He accuses me of many lies yet fails to point to a single one. Nothing of any substance.Is English your primary language? If it is you need to go back to school, if it isn't you may want to request at least a refund from whomever gave you such poor lessons.

MarquisdeSade1
06-30-21, 04:42
And why would this be markedly different to what happens in the West?

The USA government spies on all its own citizens, also on the citizens of other compliant countries that submit to their bullying. They use public money to proper up the financial gangsters that propel the economy, they start wars to protect and control resources, they fund dicatators that allow them to exploit economies, the destroy countries then refuse to accept the refugees that they create.

Is this the freedom that you all crave?https://www.newsmax.com/us/ilhan-omar-jewish-democrats-extremist/2021/06/29/id/1026922/

YyzTravel
06-30-21, 16:21
I could swear at one point this thread was about MDE stupid stuff. How did it get so derailed?

Guys. No one is saying you can't biker with each other, but perhaps take it to PM instead?

Villainy
06-30-21, 21:18
WoW! 3 posts to respond to a short post I made. I must have really poked your insecurities!


Yes they are different, China takes evil to a whole new level, and makes the old USSR fools look like Bernie Sanders.

They have 1.4 billion people held captive, I'm guessing 99.9999% would love to leave for anywhere else.

How many of the other 6. 5 billion people of the world want to migrate to CCP land? Probably 0% besides maybe you and a few other CCP asslickers on ISG.Your "guess" is a little off. This article points to a 95% satisfaction rate with the Chinese government. (Myth #1 6th paragraph. Just to help since we all know you have difficulty reading).

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

MarquisdeSade1
07-01-21, 17:01
WoW! 3 posts to respond to a short post I made. I must have really poked your insecurities!

Your "guess" is a little off. This article points to a 95% satisfaction rate with the Chinese government. (Myth #1 6th paragraph. Just to help since we all know you have difficulty reading).

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-chinaFirstly, you point out 3 replies? Really what difference does it make if its 1 or 10? I see you try to focus on BS distractions rather than the substance that you can't refute.

Secondly, thanks for reminding to never read the HBR again, what a pos article, one long blowjob for Xi, how much did HBR or Rana get paid for that fluff piece.

It reads like an multi hour long BBBJ for China and Xi, not one single negative word, probably written by Xi himself, one long QVC infomercial.

A cleaner in Chongqing now owns several apartments because the CCP reformed property laws. A Shanghai journalist is paid by her state-controlled magazine to fly around the world for stories on global lifestyle trends. A young student in Nanjing can study propulsion physics at Beijing's Tsinghua University thanks to social mobility and the party's significant investment in scientific research.

A 5 yr old child can see the bizarre bias in this article but not you? I guess a deep deep China asslicker like yourself loves defending the evil that is China, 95% is a joke I doubt even you believe that number but if you do, you a bigger fool than you even look. BTW how many millions does China funnel to Harvard for positive PR like this in articles and in the classrooms? You like that? You're a damn fool, I'm sure one that is motivated by their hatred of America.

If you did this shit in China they would lock you up, I wish you would go live there, if you are white they probably will still lock you up.

Marxism / Leninism aka Neo fascism.

MarquisdeSade1
07-01-21, 19:32
WoW! 3 posts to respond to a short post I made. I must have really poked your insecurities!

Your "guess" is a little off. This article points to a 95% satisfaction rate with the Chinese government. (Myth #1 6th paragraph. Just to help since we all know you have difficulty reading).

https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-chinaI'm a grown man I don't have these insecurities you speak of, so again stop trying to project your inferiorities onto others.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-re-elected-president-by-100-of-voters-1.1100107

Your long rim job HBR fluffer article, is reminiscent of the Saddam numbers jajajajajjaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

You might just be the biggest fool on ISG but hey keep up the good job you have some stiff competition jajajajaaa.

Anyone that fluffs Xi and China is a huge turd!!

I hope you don't consider yourself an American, because if you live in the USA you're nothing more than an American hating low rent traitor!! Please move to China.

Villainy
07-01-21, 22:35
I'm a grown man I don't have these insecurities you speak of, so again stop trying to project your inferiorities onto others.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/saddam-re-elected-president-by-100-of-voters-1.1100107

Your long rim job HBR fluffer article, is reminiscent of the Saddam numbers jajajajajjaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

You might just be the biggest fool on ISG but hey keep up the good job you have some stiff competition jajajajaaa.

Anyone that fluffs Xi and China is a huge turd!!

I hope you don't consider yourself an American, because if you live in the USA you're nothing more than an American hating low rent traitor!! Please move to China.I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?

JustTK
07-01-21, 23:59
Is English your primary language? If it is you need to go back to school, if it isn't you may want to request at least a refund from whomever gave you such poor lessons.Your ignorance and stupidity is rather intriguing. Firstly, I went to state school in Europe. So I guess had a much better education that urs in the USA. That's pretty clear from your claims that my EN is poor. So go ahead and point out some faults! I'd love to see. Your main fault is that you continue to make unsubstantiated claims and make urself look stupid.

" Stupid shit in Medellin" - seems like this section of the forum was named after you. :)

MarquisdeSade1
07-02-21, 00:06
Your ignorance and stupidity is rather intriguing. Firstly, I went to state school in Europe. So I guess had a much better education that urs in the USA. That's pretty clear from your claims that my EN is poor. So go ahead and point out some faults! I'd love to see. Your main fault is that you continue to make unsubstantiated claims and make urself look stupid.I went to pvt schools in America, I'm pretty sure most American pvt schools are better than any euro trash schools jajajajaaaaaaaa.

MarquisdeSade1
07-02-21, 02:46
Your ignorance and stupidity is rather intriguing. Firstly, I went to state school in Europe. So I guess had a much better education that urs in the USA. That's pretty clear from your claims that my EN is poor. So go ahead and point out some faults! I'd love to see. Your main fault is that you continue to make unsubstantiated claims and make urself look stupid.

" Stupid shit in Medellin" - seems like this section of the forum was named after you. :)Says the turd with the iq / reasoning skills of a peanut.

The lady doth protest / projects too much, me thinks!! Jajajajajaaaaaaa.

MarquisdeSade1
07-02-21, 18:35
I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?Harvard highly regarded? By whom, it has been corrupted by Chinese yuan like most universities, you have a lot of respect for China? No way, only an anti American fool like you would.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-nuclear-strikes-against-los-angeles-2016-6

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1444197/china-war-beijing-state-media-us-joe-biden-xi-jinping-showdown-ont

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-china-bigger-danger-than-russia-says-romney-20210627-kbarwymftjeg3e55zvav3kjrwi-story.html

Even Dirtbag Mitten disagrees.

And I served our military as well big, fucking deal bro!

That means nothing compared to your anti American writings.

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-gun-politics-crime-6caba27108d05a8b7c1860959d1ae130

I'm sure there are many anti Americans like yourself that have done so.

I have found in my travels around the world I have met many American expats that hate America, not all just most, I have read Tallmans posts and I don't believe this applies to him, because there are always outliers.

But many of the others hate America so much they left, good riddance.

So feel free to admit you hate the USA so much you left, and you love China.

Oh wait don't bother everyone can already see it, its obvio.

And I really love the bill of rights.

Espec 1 A and 2 A.

And in case you didn't notice the 1 A doesn't apply on ISG there is an admin that moderates many of my posts.

So you don't always get to hear 100% of what I would love to write.

MarquisdeSade1
07-02-21, 18:45
I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?https://newrepublic.com/article/150476/american-elite-universities-selfcensorship-china

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/09/12/wilson-center-releases-study-chinas-influence-and-interference-us-higher-ed

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/541196-china-has-already-infiltrated-americas-institutions

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chinese-efforts-to-infiltrate-us-colleges-gop-scrutiny

https://www.nas.org/reports/corrupting-the-college-board

https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/chinas-damaging-influence-and-exploitation-us-colleges-and-universities

https://www.alreporter.com/2020/06/18/brooks-warns-that-communist-china-is-infiltrating-american-universities/

Here is a suggestion, if I buy something online, no matter what it is a check all the packaging, if it says made in China anywhere.

I send it back if they ask for a reason, I say I don't like cheap made in China garbage!

MarquisdeSade1
07-02-21, 23:43
I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.

Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited. As to living there. Well, I like living in Colombia and Spanish is a hell of a lot easier to learn than Mandarin. Entiendes?Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China? Seriously?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-05-05/covid-s-shockwaves-took-poverty-in-latin-america-to-a-new-nadir

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

They just killed millions not unlike Maos famine (the number of global deaths is probably under reported by several fold?

They probably drove a billion back into extreme poverty, how many tens of millions will starve, and die from not getting medical care etc.

No more school for 100's of millions, but you "have a lot of respect for them" you are fucking brain dead and one sick fuck!

Get your tongue out of their assholes, this is a hooker forum!

MarquisdeSade1
07-03-21, 13:09
Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-taiwan-war-communism/2021/07/02/id/1027327/

MarquisdeSade1
07-03-21, 13:21
Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. So they are selling water.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

MarquisdeSade1
07-03-21, 19:35
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/china-taiwan-war-communism/2021/07/02/id/1027327/https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/01/time-for-a-biden-china-special-counsel/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ex-trump-adviser-jason-miller-new-social-app-gettr-backed-by-guo-wengui-tied-foundation-11625199130

JustTK
07-03-21, 21:54
I went to pvt schools in America, I'm pretty sure most American pvt schools are better than any euro trash schools jajajajaaaaaaaa.Clearly that was a waste of money, wasn't it!

Here is a measure of how good the USA education system is compared to the rest of the world, even including the private schools that the rich and privileged take advantage of:

https://www.arealme.com/iq/average-iq-by-country.html

USA down at nr 38 in avge IQ. Coming in just BELOW NORTH Korea! You folks need to stop encouraging people like Donald Trump. Midn you, stupid knows how to speak to stupid.

And here is a scorecard of best education systems:

https://www.edsys.in/best-education-system-in-the-world/

USA comes in at number 20 - the only country to score below 50%.

Hey, way to go! Keep the population dumb to maintain the status quo.

MarquisdeSade1
07-03-21, 22:51
Clearly that was a waste of money, wasn't it!

Here is a measure of how good the USA education system is compared to the rest of the world, even including the private schools that the rich and privileged take advantage of:

https://www.arealme.com/iq/average-iq-by-country.html

USA down at nr 38 in avge IQ. Coming in just BELOW NORTH Korea! You folks need to stop encouraging people like Donald Trump. Midn you, stupid knows how to speak to stupid.

And here is a scorecard of best education systems:

https://www.edsys.in/best-education-system-in-the-world/

USA comes in at number 20 - the only country to score below 50%.

Hey, way to go! Keep the population dumb to maintain the status quo.Yes lets change the conversation from shitty China by all means any by any means jajajajaja.

Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

The USA is a very heterogeneous society, diverse groups diverse classes.

The best schools in the universe are in the USA period.

I didn't goto to a shitty state school like yourself so, all that matters is the end result which is.

That you are are semi illiterate fool, but lets talk about anything but how shitty China is.

I don't see people doing this to send their kids to shitty China schools.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/yusi-molly-zhao-china-stanford.html

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-29/college-admissions-scandal-chinese-mother-plea-deal

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/17/us/college-admissions-scandal-charges.html

https://nwasianweekly.com/2019/09/chinese-parent-charged-in-college-admissions-scandal/

Villainy
07-04-21, 02:50
https://www.alreporter.com/2020/06/18/brooks-warns-that-communist-china-is-infiltrating-american-universities/First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?

Look at the credentials of the people on the panel with Ray Dalio.

Oh, you don't like reading something from bright and reasonable minds.

Here is an article that I'm sure you will drool over. It is from one of your type of sources:

https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/01/berkshires-charlie-munger-applauds-communist-china-for-totalitarian-tactics/

Who is that Charley Munger guy? He is Warren Buffett's partner and Vice-Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway. Have you heard of it?

Here is a You-Tube clip just on the off chance you might want to learn something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCTsKV7g4w

So grow up, little boy. Stop disrespecting your betters or I may have to spank you.

GeneHickman
07-04-21, 05:26
Clearly that was a waste of money, wasn't it!

https://www.edsys.in/best-education-system-in-the-world/

USA comes in at number 20 - the only country to score below 50%.

Hey, way to go! Keep the population dumb to maintain the status quo.I don't mean to jump into this fight, but there is a certain observation worth making.

Averages mean much less. The US clearly has more dispersion from mean whether in healthcare or education or even wealth.

The system was set up to tolerate that more.

The reality is that major innovations and progress don't come from better averages. They come from the few that are outliers, and here there is not even a question that the US produces some that do the best in their fields. So the top Universities will absolutely be here and the innovation follows. It happens here and the best scientists want to be in the ecosystems here so they can closely collaborate with the best. Now all that said, for whatever reason the country does appear to be getting less tolerant of these gaps, and the media and political classes are exploiting it. The results may lag but they eventually do follow. For now between the magnet of immigration of a certain minority of highly educated immigrants, and a still more tolerant than EU of success etc. The US is maintaining its edge but barely, but the tide is ever so slowly turning as places in Asia have learnt and are implementing some of the policies that the US did to earn its pole position even as we regress. I mean who can look at Singapore today and say it's not outdoing the US. If Singapore was a country the size of Japan, we would have been in trouble already.

MarquisdeSade1
07-04-21, 05:39
I don't mean to jump into this fight, but there is a certain observation worth making.

Averages mean much less. The US clearly has more dispersion from mean whether in healthcare or education or even wealth.

The system was set up to tolerate that more.

The reality is that major innovations and progress don't come from better averages. They come from the few that are outliers, and here there is not even a question that the US produces some that do the best in their fields. So the top Universities will absolutely be here and the innovation follows. It happens here and the best scientists want to be in the ecosystems here so they can closely collaborate with the best. Now all that said, for whatever reason the country does appear to be getting less tolerant of these gaps, and the media and political classes are exploiting it. The results may lag but they eventually do follow. For now between the magnet of immigration of a certain minority of highly educated immigrants, and a still more tolerant than EU of success etc. The US is maintaining its edge but barely, but the tide is ever so slowly turning as places in Asia have learnt and are implementing some of the policies that the US did to earn its pole position even as we regress. I mean who can look at Singapore today and say it's not outdoing the US. If Singapore was a country the size of Japan, we would have been in trouble already.But mental midgets will use stats like he did, like the fools that try to say the "best" medical care isn't in the USA jajaja.

Maybe that's true if you are dirt poor? But as they say "stats don't lie, but liars use stats".

And then mental midgets will quote them jajajajajaja.

JustTK
07-04-21, 14:25
Yes lets change the conversation from shitty China by all means any by any means jajajajaja.
I haven't once spoken about China, so how can I have changed the subject away from China?

You are the type of person that can only consider ideas from your own narrow perspective, so you have to categorise everyone's view as black or white. You are unable to accept nuance. In fact, you can't even discuss other people's opinions bcos you know nothing about them. That's why you need to keep going back to the subject that you feel comfortable with. And hence claiming that it's me that's changing the s / to. Haha. Your a waste of time to speak to.

JustTK
07-04-21, 14:31
I don't mean to jump into this fight, but there is a certain observation worth making.
Averages mean much less. The US clearly has more dispersion from mean whether in healthcare or education or even wealth.
Yes, I agree with much of what you say. The USA clearly does have great education for the rich-elites, but not for the vast majority. I was just trying to make a point to the dimwit among us. Innovation can come from outliers. But more importantly from a society or culture that encourages innovation.


.The US is maintaining its edge but barely, but the tide is ever so slowly turning as places in Asia have learnt and are implementing some of the policies that the US did to earn its pole position even as we regress. I mean who can look at Singapore today and say it's not outdoing the US. If Singapore was a country the size of Japan, we would have been in trouble already.This is the part I would not agree with. But I don't feel up for a discussion today. .

MarquisdeSade1
07-04-21, 20:43
I haven't once spoken about China, so how can I have changed the subject away from China?You so stooooooooooopid jajajajajajaaaaaaa.

MarquisdeSade1
07-05-21, 03:47
First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?

Look at the credentials of the people on the panel with Ray Dalio.

Oh, you don't like reading something from bright and reasonable minds.

Here is an article that I'm sure you will drool over. It is from one of your type of sources:

https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/01/berkshires-charlie-munger-applauds-communist-china-for-totalitarian-tactics/

Who is that Charley Munger guy? He is Warren Buffett's partner and Vice-Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway. Have you heard of it?

Here is a You-Tube clip just on the off chance you might want to learn something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCTsKV7g4w

So grow up, little boy. Stop disrespecting your betters or I may have to spank you.Investors are parasites, they love the cheap chinese slave labor, they are todays equivalent of slave owners 200 yrs ago.

Charley Munger W Buffet and espec Ray Dalio are all pro China turds.

They love China stealing American IP and mass producing it even cheaper so they can move up the ranks of the worlds richest billionaires list for the last 40 yrs.

Look at Ray Dalios son, up in smoke, awwwwwww what a shame, one less globalist / slave labor anti American POS.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ray-devon-dalio-death-linkedin

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/business/dealbook/foxconn-worker-conditions.html

China is one big POS plantation circa 2021, and you think because Ray likes his slave labor profits that makes China good.

You really have some serious psych issues dude!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gordonchang-hongkong-taiwan-espionage/2021/07/04/id/1027417/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-adviser-jason-miller-to-launch-gettr-a-cancel-free-social-media-platform

https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-americanism-in-america-counterculture_3883381.html

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-panned-for-american-flag-tweet

Get your tongue unstuck from their assholes you freak!

MarquisdeSade1
07-05-21, 05:01
So grow up, little boy. Stop disrespecting your betters or I may have to spank you.Look scumbag, you're not my better or anyone else's, you're an anti American turd that left the USA and loves its enemy.

China has made a bunch of money off of stealing trillions and trillions of USD in IP from American companies over the last 40 yrs to the benefit of a few.

Dirtbags.

They are just one big plantation / sweat shop.

They are destroying the globe environmentally and now with the Chinese virus.

And you won't take your tongue out of their assholes.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15465131/ww3-fears-chinese-state-media-three-stage-battle-plan/

This gives me a huge boner, I would love to see WW3 with them!! The sooner the better.

Trust me, America will show the rest of the world who is el rey.

And the ccp is just another Asian paper tiger jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Please move to China before the war starts, I will even buy your ow ticket to Beijing.

It will be poetic justice that you're one of the first taken out.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-state-media-says-country-must-prepare-nuclear-war-us-after-biden-asks-covid-probe-1596568

https://nypost.com/2021/06/02/chinese-media-says-beijing-expanding-its-nuclear-arsenal/

You need to be arrested for treason.

For trying to give aid and comfort to the enemy!

Rot in hell scumbag!

MarquisdeSade1
07-05-21, 21:57
Look scumbag, you're not my better or anyone else's, you're an anti American turd that left the USA and loves its enemy.

China has made a bunch of money off of stealing trillions and trillions of USD in IP from American companies over the last 40 yrs to the benefit of a few.

Dirtbags.

They are just one big plantation / sweat shop.

They are destroying the globe environmentally and now with the Chinese virus.

And you won't take your tongue out of their assholes.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15465131/ww3-fears-chinese-state-media-three-stage-battle-plan/

This gives me a huge boner, I would love to see WW3 with them!! The sooner the better.

Trust me, America will show the rest of the world who is el rey.

And the ccp is just another Asian paper tiger jajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Please move to China before the war starts, I will even buy your ow ticket to Beijing.Don't buy made in China trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNBGpn40IQ

Cool video!! Jajajaa.

MarquisdeSade1
07-06-21, 16:25
Don't buy made in China trash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWNBGpn40IQ

Cool video!! Jajajaa.The "quality" or lack thereof, for made in China nukes.

Now remember like the Chinese virus vaccines they were unable to steal the American specs.

ROTFLMFAO.

MarquisdeSade1
07-07-21, 02:30
First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/us-china-covid-lies.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

MarquisdeSade1
07-07-21, 02:39
First, I can NEVER be the biggest fool on the planet. As long as you're still here!

I love the article that you quote from the Alabama Reporter. WoW! You really had to dig deep to find idiots who can't find China on a map.

Let me help you. A hundred right wing blogs don't turn prejudice or hate into facts. Has't your mommy told you that already?

Who would know China better than anyone? Think now. I know that's a new step for you. But put down your Legos and video games and concentrate really hard.

Who would study China carefully and not care what politicians who are funded by the Defense industry would say?

Ahh! Did you get it? Probably not. The answer is investors! They put their own money or investors money into investments. So what do some of THE most successful investors say about China?

https://www.bridgewater.com/research-and-insights/exploring-the-future-of-us-china-relations

Ray Dalio is the founder and co-Chief Investment Officer of Bridgewater. Undoubtedly THE most successful hedge fund in existence. Do you think his insights, after visiting China for 30 years would be more meaninful than some of the hate articles from Rupert Murdoch's stable of trash papers?

Look at the credentials of the people on the panel with Ray Dalio..Do you get paid or do you work for the CCP for free?

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-xijingping-censorship/2021/07/06/id/1027703/

Villainy
07-08-21, 00:34
Do you get paid or do you work for the CCP for free?.No, kiddo, I'm retired and when I'm not having an orgasmic experience with some of the babes that abound here, I like to emasculate the little narcissists such as yourself who pretend to be visitors to Medellin. I know, I know you are going to have to look that one up. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/am-i-dating-a-narcissist

There is a very good description of 9 qualities that would define a narcissist. And you seem to fit them all.

By the way, as an aside, I really enjoyed a couple of the stories you posted in the main forum (although I think everything you write could fit into this sub-forum).

Remember? First was you didn't take your passport to get a CoVid test? Then after you finally took the test you forgot your passport to get the results. Who could be that stupid? Oh well. Let's go on to the second story you posted.

You found some hooker that agreed to see you. Hmmm, and you went to a short term hotel. Why? Did you forget to check and make sure that the place you were renting or staying would permit visitors? Kind of a rookie mistake isn't it? OK but I have to laugh, you go to the s / t hotel and rent a room and then when you get to the room the girl wants to be paid up front. Jajajaja you told her no and she refused to continue on with you. I have to give her a lot of credit. She read you like the jism stained comic book that you are. She showed great judgement, seeing that she was dealing with a self-aggrandizing narcissist she wanted to make sure she got paid. Jajajajaja.

Thanks for the laughs, junior!

LoveItHere69
07-08-21, 04:11
Sorry but so-what.

4,000,000 (4 mil) people have died worldwide of COVID (supposedly). Roughly 8,000,000,000 (8 bil) people on the planet. Doing a little math puts my chance of dying at .0005%.

So if it was 100 times worse my chance of dying is still only. 05%!

Destroying everyone's way of life over this?

MarquisdeSade1
07-08-21, 11:41
I seriously doubt you are a grown man, you write like a teenager with enormous insecurities. HBR (Harvard Business Review) is pretty highly regarded. But I guess if you don't like one of their articles then they must be some anti-American conspirators right? If you were really a 'grown man' you might actually understand that some people have different opinions than yours. That doesn't make them fools or ignorant or any of the other pejorative terms you use. Here's a scary thought for you to wrap your head around. What if they are right? And you aren't? Ever consider that possibility, junior??

Oh and to assuage your concerns, I am an American. I am sure my patriotism far exceeds yours because mine isn't based on a bunch of hate filled writings. Not only did I serve in uniform but I respect the 1st amendment. Something you clearly have trouble understanding.China gave us the virus, we gave the world the cure, how apropos.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/opinion/us-china-covid-lies.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/08/world/covid-19-vaccine-coronavirus-updates

Vastly "undercounted" so how many would die without our vaxs? While them sell everyone water as vaxs?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.

But I respect the 1st amendment? Really how ironic / pathetic, you like free speech but you hate the country that gave it to you, so you moved to a 3rd world country, and.

Love the worlds biggest enemy of free speech.

MarquisdeSade1
07-08-21, 16:59
No, kiddo, I'm retired and when I'm not having an orgasmic experience with some of the babes that abound here, I like to emasculate the little narcissists such as yourself who pretend to be visitors to Medellin. I know, I know you are going to have to look that one up. Here, I'll make it easy for you:

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/am-i-dating-a-narcissist

There is a very good description of 9 qualities that would define a narcissist. And you seem to fit them all.

By the way, as an aside, I really enjoyed a couple of the stories you posted in the main forum (although I think everything you write could fit into this sub-forum).

Remember? First was you didn't take your passport to get a CoVid test? Then after you finally took the test you forgot your passport to get the results. Who could be that stupid? Oh well. Let's go on to the second story you posted.You took your tongue out of Chinas collective asshole to write some nonsense for us.

Now get back at it you freak you have 1.4 billion to lick clean.

Villainy
07-08-21, 17:48
While them sell everyone water as vaxs?I have to wonder about that private school you "claim" you attended. Did they teach English there?

MarquisdeSade1
07-08-21, 18:18
I have to wonder about that private school you "claim" you attended. Did they teach English there?I'm sorry I don't know how to type up to your standard jajajjaa (I don't have a vagina like some here jajajaja).

But yes lets talk about typos (1 letter off) on a hooker forum rather than what a Xi butthole loving, anti American POS you are.

Now get back to licking all those 1.4 billion buttholes squeaky clean, because of the 1 child policy majority are males.

I'm guessing that makes you the happiest ass licker in China.

Villainy
07-08-21, 20:27
I'm sorry I don't know how to type up to your standard jajajjaa (I don't have a vagina like some here jajajaja).

But yes lets talk about typos (1 letter off) on a hooker forum rather than what a Xi butthole loving, anti American POS you are.

Now get back to licking all those 1.4 billion buttholes squeaky clean, because of the 1 child policy majority are males.

I'm guessing that makes you the happiest ass licker in China.It's not the 'vagina' you're missing. It's something a little higher up that is lacking, junior. Oh, and I probably should be more forgiving. Afterall high-school students don't have it all together yet.

MarquisdeSade1
07-08-21, 21:38
It's not the 'vagina' you're missing. It's something a little higher up that is lacking, junior. Oh, and I probably should be more forgiving. Afterall high-school students don't have it all together yet.Are you a really creepy old gay Chinese dood? Or a really creepy old gay white China fluffer?

Villainy
07-09-21, 01:35
....... Now get back to licking all those 1.4 billion buttholes squeaky clean, because of the 1 child policy majority are males.
I'm guessing that makes you the happiest ass licker in China.I just noticed that you raised the issue of ass-licking several times. Clearly, you are fixated on this activity. If you ever really visit Medellin (for real as opposed to in your fantasies) I'm sure I could find a girl that will let you give her "beso-negro" "beso polaco" or "beso de colibrí". See junior! Chill! I'm trying to help you out.

Elvis 2008
07-09-21, 02:33
Do you get paid or do you work for the CCP for free?Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.

Mr Enternational
07-09-21, 02:37
And that the virus is likely to mutate, meaning that those people that are want vaxxes are likely to need a new one every XX months / years? Mehhh. Perhaps. Are you by chance a soothsayer sir?

"Drugmaker Pfizer said Thursday it is seeing waning immunity from its coronavirus vaccine and says it is picking up its efforts to develop a booster dose that will protect people from variants.

It said it would seek emergency use authorization from the US Food and Drug Administration for a booster dose in August after releasing more data about how well a third dose of vaccine works. ".

MarquisdeSade1
07-09-21, 02:55
I just noticed that you raised the issue of ass-licking several times. Clearly, you are fixated on this activity. If you ever really visit Medellin (for real as opposed to in your fantasies) I'm sure I could find a girl that will let you give her "beso-negro" "beso polaco" or "beso de colibr". See junior! Chill! I'm trying to help you out.Funny story.

Ok I'm in Mde several weeks ago, I want a massage and I take an Uber to Rio Sur mall, as I go up the stairs and enter, a rent a cop asks in espanol what I'm looking for, I tell him and he gets excited (I'm guessing he gets a kick back) he's very eager to take me to Zen, I go in and there's a puta in her late 30's sitting in an office chair acting like she's Gordon Gecko, bad attitude wants 140 mil, I ask how many putas she says 3 including her, I asked to see the other 2 and she got offended so I left, I checked out a few other places in the bldg, finally my last stop I walk in, a 20 something morena is sitting on the couch very quiet and a.

Very white skinned older MILF with blonde hair and some English and very very smiley friendly eager beaver persona, says 100 mil.

I look at both and say fuck it, I picked the MILF, I have no plans of sex jajajaja I just want a massage.

I go in she starts massaging, I've had massages all over the world, never have I seen such strong hands, so she starts pouring hot oil on the back of my thighs and ass cheeks, and I point to my ass crack so she pours some there, the next thing she puts her finger on my culo, and says SI? I say lengue solo! She says propina? I say cuantos, she says 40, I say ok.

So she wipes off the oil and starts licking my crack and anus, she's like a porn star, so she's really going at it, so I get on all four, and she's jerking my crank like a slot machine from behind and licking from the tip up the shaft. Sucking balls taint, licking all the way to my waistline, then she starts slowly tongue fucking my culo, ok OMG she's deep 150% of her tongue, I'm really agitated by now jajajaja.

So I say ok fuck this, I jump off the table peel her skin tight scrubs down around her ankles and starting drilling her as hard as I can, she came several times (from semi wet to sooper wet and back again and again).

I stopped for a minute pulled her shirt off and sat her in a chair and had her blow me only to say, nope that pussy is too good and tight, so I finally decided to fill her with my hot sauce, so I could get the rest of my massage, I jumped back up and said, mas massage LOL at the end I asked if I pay her or the desk, she said her in the room and 100 for the massage to the desk, so I ask how much, she says 100 plus 200, I laugh, no way, she says ok 100 and 100,I paid her, I really hope I didn't overpay, I tried to stick it in her ass but she said no it was virjin, when I go to the desk I see a 3rd puta, I did get the best jajaja.

I'm getting older so my ability to tell ages is shit, she was somewhere between 39 and 59, def the oldest pussy I've ever fucked, I'm guessing she was younger than me? I don't know? Early 40's??

So I tried to take a nice foto at the desk of them in their scrubs, they all hit the floor like I flashed my 45 jajajajaja.

I did get her whatsapp, the next day I ask her if she wants to visit my hotel and she says sure, I say only if I can have the culo, she says ok, 400, I say no way, she says 300, I say 100, she says 200 if I visit the spa.

I'm guessing that would be 200 plus 100, I had fun, but would I do her again, nope (one and done for me).

In conclusion, Rio Sur is a shitty place if you want a real massage, I recd another in Mde I will try to write about it manana.

Elvis 2008
07-09-21, 03:02
And nobody knows, including JB2 where he got infected as he reported..Surfer, I was in Mexico. There was a hottie I was banging. She said that she could not smell or taste. I figured she had Covid and stupidly banged her anyway, but I did take some precautions. She later told me she tested + for Covid and I did not get it and had a negative antibody test.

When in Bogota, three of us ISG guys were hanging in a crowded Club Fiebre with its shitty ventilation system without a mask. That was stupid and another high risk event.

But my point is this: I knew what high risk was. I got away with it, but I should have been more cautious. I have been around hundreds of people with Covid taken common sense precautions, and I have not gotten it. The Republican retards want to say Covid is fake, and the Democratic douches want to say you can catch Covid from anything, and it has gotten in the way of real information to the point that I am shocked no way is willing to say where and when JJ likely got Covid. You say no one knows, but you can make an educated guess with a high degree of probability if you know some facts which no one seems to want to talk about.

But that is what is so funny. Everybody is too busy talking politics and no one is mentioning facts.

Paulie97
07-09-21, 13:29
Mehhh. Perhaps. Are you by chance a soothsayer sir?The potential for the usefulness of booster doses has long been on the table, doesn't take a prophet or a rocket scientist to call that. However Pfizer isn't the final word as to if such will be released in the near future. The CDC, for one, isn't in agreement.

JustTK
07-09-21, 16:00
So you can't board a plane unless maybe it's your private plane. You have to wear a mask in a public space etc. So effectively this is not about them in as much as it is about their impact on those around them. They are the reason this thing will linger. As to the rest of the world, yeah there are plenty places where the vaccine supply will catch up, and I predict enough people will either get it or get the acquired immunity by end of 2022. Yes variants pose a risk, but that risk is accelerated where it is raging wild. Most of these variants have emerged in countries where it raged, I. E. India Brazil etc. Yeah this is what you want. But there is zero evidence to suggest it will happen. That is the issue. You want to feel warm and cozy that things will work out fine, but no study claims that will happen. Really, I ask you. Show me ANY reputable study that says the virus will be eliminated thru vaccination. You won't find it bcos it has never happened and nothing points to it happening this time.

You want the virus to disappear. We all do. Your government misleads you in to thinking that is the end game, but there is no logic in that.

"I predict. " - yeah you predict, just like your government predicts. Based on what exactly? Your warm cozy hopes for the future, that is all. Your comments about Brazil and India are also arse about face. The variants didn't emerge where the virus raged. The virus raged bcos THAT IS where the variants emerged! Dios mio! . And so it will go on.

I get that you want to have faith, but that is all it is, I am sorry to say. Show me some facts and I will listen. Until then all evidence shows the virus mutates and causes hot spots and deaths. Already the big pharmas are developing booster shots to vaccines that haven't even been rolled out yet except in the super rich countries.

And your comment about only vaccinated people should be allowed on planes. There are huge flaws in that idea too. Vaccinated people can and do spread the virus from country to country. Thats why countries like USA still require tests from vaccinated people on arrival. Secondly, people can be clean without the vaccine. Tests can be as effective as the vax. Thirdly, people scan have recovered and are just as safe as vaxxed people. The Eurozone already support this reality. Check out their arrivals procedures for proof. They accept. Vaccinated people, people that have ceritificates of recovery, people with recent negavtive test results. There is no favouritism. They are all equally valid. That seems like quite a sensible policy to me in the current climate. Bcos it is astute and allows people to get on with their lives. In the reality that we have to live with this.

Again, I am not a dumb headstrong person that beleives in wild conspiracies. Quite the contrary. If you think I am then point to some evidence and I will analyse it.

JustTK
07-09-21, 16:07
Mehhh. Perhaps. Are you by chance a soothsayer sir?
"Drugmaker Pfizer said Thursday it is seeing waning immunity from its coronavirus vaccine and says it is picking up its efforts to develop a booster dose that will protect people from variants.
Thank you good sir! . It's the truth unfortunately. I don't like it any more than anyone else. But who would be happy to buy in to a future where they need to have constant booster vaxxes simply to live a free life? It's a genuine question from me to you lot. Bcos to me there only seems to be 2 end games. We subject ourselves to a future of endless vaccine shots, or we learn to live with it and deal with it as best we can through health care and medication. One is a solution that we follow for all other health issues, the other one is a road to insanity. .

Black Page
07-09-21, 16:49
The variants didn't emerge where the virus raged. The virus raged bcos THAT IS where the variants emerged! Dios mio! . And so it will go on.Bare ignorance exhibited proudly as a strong asset. I am not surprised, because it happens often, but it always amazes me.

I don't know how much math did you study at school, so I will keep it simple. There is a probability P that a virus mutates during replication. There is a probability Q that the mutation favours the virus and thus is transmitted to newer generations (Darwin teaches). Both probabilities are very small. The number of mutations that emerge is thus P*Q*N, where N is the number of virus replications.
In other words, the more replications, the more mutations.

==> In a country were there are more infections, there are more virus replications happening ==> there are more mutations emerging.

JustTK
07-09-21, 17:09
Bare ignorance exhibited proudly as a strong asset. I am not surprised, because it happens often, but it always amazes me.

I don't know how much math did you study at school, so I will keep it simple. There is a probability P that a virus mutates during replication. There is a probability Q that the mutation favours the virus and thus is transmitted to newer generations (Darwin teaches). Both probabilities are very small. The number of mutations that emerge is thus P*Q*N, where N is the number of virus replications.
In other words, the more replications, the more mutations.
Viruses mutate all the time, everywhere. Most mutations are inconsequential but occasionally we notice the change bcos it impacts us and causes us additional harm. These changes happen all the time and can happen anywhere that the virus is present. If the mutation is one in to a more virulent strain then it will be obvious and "rage". Agreed, it will happen in places more commonly where the virus is commonplace, but it is the variant that causes the rage, not the rage that causes the variant. Correlation, not causation.

Again, another that likes to insult bcos they THINK they have knowledge. So show me your knowledge. Show me proof that the virus was already raging when Delta occurred. Please! As far as I can see, Delta was detected in Oct 2020 - way before India "raged" (https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-what-do-we-know-about-the-coronavirus-delta-variant/a-57949754). So please. Come on. Hit me with it. Give me your best evidence.

Osteoknot
07-09-21, 17:40
Another one that strawman's my POV. I never said we should do nothing. I was simply reflecting on the current international policy and that it is not going to get us where we all want to be. The vax policy is not going to eliminate the virus, the virus will mutate, and we will have to live with it. In what way does that imply I think we should do nothing or that I am privileged? It doesn't. If you think so, then you are inventing meaning to the words that I wrote.You have chosen to do nothing by not being vaccinated. Anything you say after that about solving the problem is the definition of hypocrisy, such as talking about health and nutrition and other interventions as public health solutions when clearly there is an effective vaccine that is saving lives every day. Stay on point if you can about what works here and now, and not your hypothetical future state.

One rhetorical question, what do people like you think if and when someone close to you, if not yourself, dies from Covid after not being vaccinated? Your mother, your daughter, your sister (I'm stuck on females because this board is about mongering). How do you rationalize that in your marginalized mind?

I am not surprised you are that guy who when he orders Rappi, that no one gets his "special order" right and you have to constantly struggle with returns and refunds. That is something I have never experienced once in my life, although I have used Rappi a lot. By your own admission, that is your routine. What kind of off-kilter tourist obsesses on food delivery orders in a foreign country? That speaks volumes about your personality. And anyone who tries to list their IQ by number in a public forum automatically gets a 25 point deduction, thems the rules, jajajaa.

You may have the last word if you wish, I will not debate this issue with someone who has taken up membership in the The Flat Earth Society. And I won't see your response as I have added you to my Ignore List.

Face it, you see yourself as better and above the rest where the standard rules don't apply. I'm thinking that probably has not worked out well for you in life so far, in your house of cards. If you weren't putting others at risk with your nonsense, then no one would care. I think that is what is troubling you, no one caring, and for that I am empathetic for you.

JjBee62
07-09-21, 17:51
Pepperidge Farms Remembers.

Remember when people wrote about places to stay, places to visit and places to eat? Remember when people discussed girls, services and prices? Remember when people reported on their experiences in Medellin? Apparently I'm too fucking old, because I yearn for those good old days.

I wrote about getting Covid and having to quarantine, because I got Covid and had to quarantine, and because it's highly likely that other members of the forum might find themselves in the same predicament. I didn't write about it so a dozen people who know less about science than I know about the housing market in ancient Mesopotamia, could spend all their time praising themselves and insulting everyone else. For the few who actually are knowledgeable on the subject, I understand your pain and appreciate your restraint to keep from engaging in all the silliness.

If any of the admins are still alive, I have a suggestion:

The Dunning-Kruger Effect Ban. Ban anyone who invokes the Dunning-Kruger Effect (DKE) as part of any discussion outside of the Stupid Shit threads. There are 2 reasons why this needs to be done. The first is that nearly every time, on any medium, someone claims another is exhibiting DKE, they are at least as guilty. The other reason is simple, it's an ad hominem attack. It's not a refutation of any claims made by another, it's simply "you're stupid", by someone who is unable to mount an effective rebuttal.

To anyone who says that it's impossible to eliminate a virus through vaccination, I have one word for you: Poliomyelitis. Do I believe the currently available vaccines are going to be as effective against Covid? No. There are already too many variants and there are too many people who would much rather listen to anyone yelling conspiracy theories.

The current vaccines are no different than the other steps which were taken (abandoned, reinstated, fought over, etc) last year. They're an attempt to get ahead of the pandemic, get some breathing room and find a better, more permanent solution.

There are 2 approaches to anything which is potentially dangerous. The first is to ignore the risks, ignore the data and continue on until the dangers become too expensive to ignore. The advantage to this approach is that you can maximize profits and later hope the powers that be limit your liability. Mercury, asbestos, tobacco, oxycontin, there are countless examples. The dangers were well known long before any attempts to regulation or protection, but between life and profit, profit always wins.

The other approach is to treat whatever it is as if it might blow up in your face at any moment. Using Covid as an example, that means, until we knew better, we said, disinfect surfaces, avoid touching potentially contaminated surfaces, wash hands, wear gloves. Once we learned that's an unlikely source of infection, we updated our approach and focused on other areas.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Frankly, at this point I don't give a fuck. Just as I don't give a fuck if you're driving and playing on your phone. If there are consequences to your choice, you'll just need to put on your big boy panties and deal with them.

If you're only here to talk about Covid (except as it specifically relates to mongering in Medellin), do us all a favor and go the fuck away until you have something that pertains to mongering in Medellin to write about.

Nounce
07-09-21, 18:23
==> In a country were there are more infections, there are more virus replications happening ==> there are more mutations emerging.BP, I think he got you. You are talking about probability but phrase it in a way like it is a certainty. Because probability is not 100%, TK only needs to find a single case to make his point.

SavePros321
07-09-21, 20:45
I was talking to one of my chica friends today and she reminded me of how much she likes anal. I'm not a huge anal lover, but I do like it on occasion, especially if I can convince a chica to do it who has not done it before. I like the fact that is' kind of taboo with a lot of chicas in Medellin. I have a few girls who do it. I have a few others I'm working on. Starting with some rubbing and then some finger penetration. Trying to explain to them how good it will feel because of the number of nerves located there. And telling them I know some girls who can orgasm from anal (which I do). At any rate, if anyone is looking for anal, PM me. I really don't want to give names here, as most of these girls are not broadcasting their willingness to do it. But I can maybe give you a couple of names in PM.

Just a few caveats: these are FB girls, so if you are looking for anal for 50 mil, forget it. On the other hand, they charge reasonable prices, because after visiting Medellin for 16 years, I'm paying the price I want and know is fair. You will not catch me paying the 200+ a lot of guys pay. Also, these girls are not anal porn stars. They are not rimmed out. So it you want to jackhammer a chica in the ass, find a hardcore that is already wearing Depends. Finally, my dick is average size. If your dick is too long or fat, these chicks might get scared. So again, you need to find the true anal pros. These are just nice girls who were willing to try something new and liked it, at least when I did it to them.Are we to believe that you are just give out these contacts out of the kindness of your heart?

Were you just sitting around today and pondered to yourself "hmm, I wonder how many strangers on the internet would love to have my chica contacts who do anal?

ColombiaLover
07-09-21, 21:17
Trying to be nice. And, yes, I would give them out to people I like. Based on your smart-ass reply, that would not be you. That's for sure.


Are we to believe that you are just give out these contacts out of the kindness of your heart?

Were you just sitting around today and pondered to yourself "hmm, I wonder how many strangers on the internet would love to have my chica contacts who do anal?

SavePros321
07-09-21, 21:38
Trying to be nice. And, yes, I would give them out to people I like. Based on your smart-ass reply, that would not be you. That's for sure.Well fortunately I am not such a loser to where I would have to be begging total strangers for anal contacts on the internet, lmao!

JjBee62
07-09-21, 23:15
BP, I think he got you. You are talking about probability but phrase it in a way like it is a certainty. Because probability is not 100%, TK only needs to find a single case to make his point.I remember overhearing a coworker about 10 years ago. He was complaining because he had gotten a fine from the police for not wearing his seatbelt. His complaint was that he knew of someone who had been in an accident, while wearing a seatbelt, then had died because the car caught fire and he couldn't unfasten the seatbelt. Therefore, seatbelt laws were wrong.

Just as you pointed out, there are people who ignore 99% of the available data and focus on the exceptions as if the only thing that matters is the exception.

Vaccination reduces the spread of the virus. We know that. It's a point which is no more debatable than whether or not the earth is flat. That doesn't mean vaccination is a guarantee against infection. It doesn't mean vaccination will prevent you from infecting others. It means, if you take 2 groups of people, with 100,000 people in each group, with everyone in one group being vaccinated, everyone in the other group being unvaccinated, you'll see a undeniable trend. Expose each group equally to the virus and more people in the unvaccinated group will become infected, more will require hospitalization and more will die.

Whether anyone here chooses to get vaccinated, I don't really care. It's unlikely I'm going to suffer from their decision. However, all I've seen from the people arguing against getting vaccinated is "because I don't want to. " Everything else is just childish rationalization. At least have the balls to admit it.

Oh, it's because you don't want to help the pharmaceutical companies make a profit? How many pills have you taken in your lifetime? I'll start believing you when you start preaching about the benefits of an organic, vegan diet. Otherwise, every time you pop that little blue pill, you're proving how full of shit you are.

You don't want to get into the cycle of having to take another vaccine later? Maybe I missed your social media campaigns against annual flu shots, tetanus booster shots, required TB testing prior to being prescribed certain medication, regularly scheduled dental exams, annual physical exams, eye exams, driver's license renewals, etc. Guess what. We don't live in a world where every solution is one and done. Using that logic cancer patients shouldn't bother with surgery, chemotherapy or radiation treatments, because they're going to be going back every 3 months for the next five years to make sure they're still cancer free.

Which leaves us with it's your personal decision. Which is true. Nobody is forcing you to get the vaccine. However, your decisions often affect others, and you can't go back and choose differently once your nose is rubbed in the consequences.

Dozens of examples come to mind, but I'll just give one.

A little over 30 years ago I worked for a big towing company in San Diego. If your car was impounded in San Diego from 1989 to 1991, I was probably someway involved. Sorry.

One Sunday morning I was hanging around the office when the "lawyer" showed up to get his car. CHP had taken him to jail the night before and had us tow his car. He had a lot to say. He was going to sue the CHP. They had no right to arrest him. He was going to sue the towing company. His BMW was brand new and there better not be a scratch on it. He was going to sue me for refusing to bring him his car.

To prevent being sued, I told him I would take him to his car. While his BMW might have been brand new 24 hours earlier, by the time he was arrested it had undergone significant depreciation. The front bumper was almost completely torn off, one of the front wheels was horizontal instead of vertical and there was damage all over the car, from all the things he hit between the time he blacked out and finally came to a stop, buried in iceplant. To top it off he had puked all over the driver's door, inside and out. You could smell the alcohol from 20 feet away.

He had plenty to say, until we got about 20 feet away. At that point he could no longer maintain the fantasy that everyone else was to blame. He walked once around the car, head hung down, in silence. Then he walked out the gate and walked off down the street. A few days later his insurance company had us tow the car to a body shop.

As I've said, I don't care what anyone does. If they find themselves in the situation where their favorite chica is devastated because her mother died from Covid, or when they find out their brother had to spend 10 days quarantined in a foreign country, they will deal with it in their own way.

One final thought and I'm done. For more than a year we've seen lots of stories about people who refused to wear masks, refused to socially distance and refused to get vaccinated and then later found themselves severely ill, or dying from Covid. Almost every time the person expressed regret that they didn't take it seriously. I've yet to see anything from anyone who says they wish they hadn't taken the disease seriously, instead of doing everything they could to keep from becoming a casualty.

Elvis 2008
07-09-21, 23:21
I wrote about getting Covid and having to quarantine, because I got Covid and had to quarantine, and because it's highly likely that other members of the forum might find themselves in the same predicament. I didn't write about it so a dozen people who know less about science than I know about the housing market in ancient Mesopotamia, could spend all their time praising themselves and insulting everyone else. For the few who actually are knowledgeable on the subject, I understand your pain and appreciate your restraint to keep from engaging in all the silliness.JJBee, one week before you got sick, I made a post and deleted it. I did it right after you got an ambulance ride and asked, "Anyone want to guess how I get sick?

Seeing as how you follow science, if I asked you what the two biggest killers health wise in America you would likely say heart disease and cancer, and that is factually correct. Based on my experience, it is not. What I wrote is the two biggest killers are arrogance and denial, and you have both in spades.

How many times did I hear Rush Limbaugh go off on anti-tobacco people? And what did he die of? Scientifically, he died from lung cancer from smoking. In reality, he died of arrogance. And you know what separates you from Rush Limbaugh on this arrogance issue, JJBee? Not a damned thing.

You go from the USA where we at a 12, 14 month low in cases to Colombia which is hitting all time highs with cases. Typically, it takes five days from exposure to disease and then you are like, "Gee, duh, I do not where I got it from. Maybe it was from a toilet seat at a Florida airport. "

And then there is the karma aspect. Elvirus huh? Real fucking funny now isn't it?

In summary, you go to Colombia as a walking Petri dish, think you are safe because you read a study about vaccines, have no fucking clue what at risk activity is, and not only got the disease but bragged about only infecting one other person. Shaking my head.

And you think you are helping people with Covid telling your story? Uh no, you are a fucking poster child for the antivax movement. You put politics above everything else. Hell, you even called out Republicans being stupid and their conspiracy theories when you first got sick. Maybe you should worry about your own health before anyone else's huh? Yeah, I think that would be smart, but in your own mind, you have a higher IQ so that cannot be.

Last I checked 750 people who had the vaccine died of Covid and 4000+ have been hospitalized.

In the USA, given where we are with herd immunity and the side effects of the vaccine, it is not appropriate for you or anyone else to call people stupid for not getting the vaccine. In my opinion, that is a decision that someone should make after being educated on all aspects of everything or seeing their doctor, but you Democratic douches think you know best for everyone.

As to why, Fauci et al think everyone should get vaccinated as that is following the "science", but it is not. For me, there are at least three scenarios about who should or should not get the vaccine: A 70 year old with diabetes? Fuck yes, he should get the vaccine. A 40 year old in good health? Maybe. If he is going to Colombia, he sure as hell should. A 15 year boy in good health? Fuck no, there have been too many cases of pericarditis associated with the vaccine.

I don't care how much MSNBC you watch. No one here is qualified to make generalized health care decisions for other people and especially not you.

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-21, 01:09
Funny story.

Ok I'm in Mde several weeks ago, I want a massage and I take an Uber to Rio Sur mall, as I go up the stairs and enter, a rent a cop asks in espanol what I'm looking for, I tell him and he gets excited (I'm guessing he gets a kick back) he's very eager to take me to Zen, I go in and there's a puta in her late 30's sitting in an office chair acting like she's Gordon Gecko, bad attitude wants 140 mil, I ask how many putas she says 3 including her, I asked to see the other 2 and she got offended so I left, I checked out a few other places in the bldg, finally my last stop I walk in, a 20 something morena is sitting on the couch very quiet and a.

Very white skinned older MILF with blonde hair and some English and very very smiley friendly eager beaver persona, says 100 mil.

I look at both and say fuck it, I picked the MILF, I have no plans of sex jajajaja I just want a massage.

I go in she starts massaging, I've had massages all over the world, never have I seen such strong hands, so she starts pouring hot oil on the back of my thighs and ass cheeks, and I point to my ass crack so she pours some there, the next thing she puts her finger on my culo, and says SI? I say lengue solo! She says propina? I say cuantos, she says 40, I say ok.

So she wipes off the oil and starts licking my crack and anus, she's like a porn star, so she's really going at it, so I get on all four, and she's jerking my crank like a slot machine from behind and licking from the tip up the shaft. Sucking balls taint, licking all the way to my waistline, then she starts slowly tongue fucking my culo, ok OMG she's deep 150% of her tongue, I'm really agitated by now jajajaja..She's not my type either, jajajaja.

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-21, 02:54
Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.It has almost 1.4 billion slaves, the US chamber of Commerce crowd loves them over any American worker.

And then you have the anti American crowd that hates everything China stands for, but they still love them because they are not white and they are not America.

With anti American scumbags like V they don't need a great pr team.

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-21, 03:56
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/09/opinion/uganda-covid-vaccines.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-21, 16:35
Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEfDwc2G2_8

They all carry water (ass lickers) for the ccp.

Mr Enternational
07-10-21, 17:28
Vaccination reduces the spread of the virus. We know that. It's a point which is no more debatable than whether or not the earth is flat.
Oh, it's because you don't want to help the pharmaceutical companies make a profit? How many pills have you taken in your lifetime?

You don't want to get into the cycle of having to take another vaccine later? Maybe I missed your social media campaigns against annual flu shots, tetanus booster shots,

Which leaves us with it's your personal decision.It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action.

Nounce
07-10-21, 19:33
That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!
Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.

JjBee62
07-10-21, 19:56
It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action."On average" is wonderful. On average a Major League Baseball player will get a base hit 1 out of every 4 at bats. Does that mean no baseball player will ever get 10 hits in 10 consecutive times at bat? No. Does it mean no hitter will ever go to the plate 54 consecutive times without getting a hit. Also no. It just means, when you add them all together that's what the average comes out to be.

When talking vaccines and medications, which are 2 different animals, it gets more complicated. Let me try to simply it for you.

Let's say you're a mechanic and the only cars you've ever seen or worked on are 1954-1973 Volkswagen Beetles. You can probably rebuild a 1600 CC dual port VW engine blindfolded. You can probably diagnose a problem just by listening. If someone brings you one of those cars, if you can't fix it, it can't be fixed.

One day someone shows up with a Meyers Manx dune buggy. It looks a lot different from all those Beetles. But, when you tear into it, it's just a different body sitting on a VW chassis. Same engine, same transmission. Turns out you already know quite a lot about the car.

You could change that to a Porsche if you want. Each one you find that you're not starting over from scratch. Instead you already have a foundation of knowledge, which helps to understand how the new vehicle is different.

Which brings us back to SARS-CoV-2. We already know a great deal about Coronaviruses. We already know about SARS. In fact, a vaccine for SARS was developed more than 15 years ago.

Let's assume for just a moment that all those researchers at all those pharmaceutical companies aren't idiots. A new virus comes along, which has a lot of similarities to a known virus. Do you think they're going to throw out nearly 20 years of knowledge and start over from scratch? Or are they going to compare the new virus to similar known viruses and check out known vulnerabilities? Are they just going to put on blindfolds and start throwing darts, hoping one will hit, or are they going to take what they already know and attempt to isolate the difference?

So the vaccine development didn't begin 2 months before the vaccines went into trials. The vaccine development has been ongoing for 20 years.

Now let's talk about medicine, since you want to conflate medication development with vaccine development. It makes as much sense as comparing toilet paper with toothpaste, but I'll humor you.

Vaccine development is typically pushed by health agencies, in response to a particular disease. The WHO, CDC, NIH and others work with educational and pharmaceutical groups to facilitate the development of a vaccine in response to a specific disease which poses a serious health risk. In other words, the money comes first. It's like someone taking you to the casino and giving you money to gamble with.

Medicine development originates within the pharmaceutical companies depending upon potential profitability of the medicine.

To simplify it again, when your house is on fire, you call the fire department. When you find out your wife is pregnant with twins you make a financial decision to add on to your existing house, sell and buy a new house, or just deal with the overcrowded conditions.

Many medicines end up effective against diseases which don't exist. So the medicine, which would be profitable sits until the insurance companies accept the new disease as something they will cover. "Shift Work Disorder", "Attention Deficit Disorder" and many eating and sleeping disorders come to mind. It doesn't do any good to market a prescription medication if the insurance companies aren't going to pay for it.

You've probably heard of Viagra. How many of those little blue pills would have been sold if every insurance company refused to cover pills to help guys get erections? How much would Pfizer have spent on marketing if the consumer cost was more than most people could afford?

Another significant difference between a vaccine and a medication is the effectiveness. A vaccine is typically one, or two shots which provides protection for a number of years. Medication is usually something taken regularly for an extended period of time. You might take an antibiotic 4 times a day for 2 weeks (and repeat the next time it hurts to piss). You don't just take one pill and the infection is no longer a problem. What this means is negative reactions to a vaccine usually show up very quickly. However, negative effects from medication can take months and even years to develop, because the effect is cumulative. Taking 1 200 MG ibuprofen probably isn't going to cause a problem. Taking 3200 MG a day for 6 months probably will cause a problem.

Do you understand the difference now?

Your last point is valid. Any time you take any medicine, or receive a vaccine you are exposing yourself to a risk. And in many cases, you're not going to receive compensation if something goes wrong. Even if you do receive compensation, it will likely take many years and by the time you, or your heirs, receive compensation, you'll be lucky to get a dime of every dollar owed to you. That is not a problem limited to companies exempted from liability.

But, figuring out, based on "if something goes wrong" is a simple math problem. There have been about 34 million identified cases of COVID-19 in the US, with 606,000 or so deaths. That means if you get Covid you've got about a 1. 5% chance of dying.

There have been over 300 million doses of the vaccine administered in the US, with 3 deaths attributed to the vaccine. That means your chance of dying because you were vaccinated is. 000000001%.

Let's simplify again. Catching Covid is 15,000,000 times more likely to kill you than getting vaccinated against Covid. And just like if you're one of the. 000000001% who die from the vaccine, ain't nobody going to send you a check if you die from Covid.

GeneHickman
07-10-21, 20:03
Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.These are just excuses in the anti vaxer movement. The mRNA technology has been in development for nearly 20 yrs. When the Covid-19 outbreak started, one of the only good deeds the Chinese did was to publish the genetic code for the Spike protein of the virus (it would have been identified by sequencing sooner or later in the west) but it did give a few weeks head start. Then the mRNA envelope and technology and gene splicing know how was already in place, so the actual vaccine development went really fast, just a few weeks, then the trials phase 1,2,3 all happened as normally would, looking at the same statistical end points as pertain to any peer reviewed study. The thing that helped ironically was the fact that the virus raged fast during the time of the study, allowing more in the placebo arm to get infected and reaching statistical significance sooner. If you all remember even as Trump would pressure the scientists to announce it before the election, Fauci et al, would comment that we just don't know when we will hit the end point. So finally we did in November and the safety profile to that point was stellar. Since then hundreds of millions of doses later, and about a year since the start of the phase 3 trials, it's really hard to make any reasonable arguement about short term safety. Now looking at prior vaccine trials the vast majority of issues that ever emerged, did so within that time frame, so realistically what is left is in the realm of paranoia. That won't stop the anti vaxer crowd, but the reality is that these things are proving about as darn safe as the air we breathe. Full FDA approval is forthcoming.

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-21, 20:35
Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

MarquisdeSade1
07-10-21, 20:54
These are just excuses in the anti vaxer movement. The mRNA technology has been in development for nearly 20 yrs. When the Covid-19 outbreak started, one of the only good deeds the Chinese did was to publish the genetic code for the Spike protein of the virus (it would have been identified by sequencing sooner or later in the west) but it did give a few weeks head start. Then the mRNA envelope and technology and gene splicing know how was already in place, so the actual vaccine development went really fast, just a few weeks, then the trials phase 1,2,3 all happened as normally would, looking at the same statistical end points as pertain to any peer reviewed study. The thing that helped ironically was the fact that the virus raged fast during the time of the study, allowing more in the placebo arm to get infected and reaching statistical significance sooner. If you all remember even as Trump would pressure the scientists to announce it before the election, Fauci et al, would comment that we just don't know when we will hit the end point. So finally we did in November and the safety profile to that point was stellar. Since then hundreds of millions of doses later, and about a year since the start of the phase 3 trials, it's really hard to make any reasonable arguement about short term safety. Now looking at prior vaccine trials the vast majority of issues that ever emerged, did so within that time frame, so realistically what is left is in the realm of paranoia. That won't stop the anti vaxer crowd, but the reality is that these things are proving about as darn safe as the air we breathe. Full FDA approval is forthcoming.I am in the University of Chicago Moderna study I joined in Aug the MD running the study was telling me in Sept and Oct they were 100% confident in the results they were seeing.

Then 5 or 6 days after the election they made that announcement, they waited until after that date, that was clearly done to fuck Trump.

Mr Enternational
07-10-21, 22:19
Are you sure current Covid vaccines only took 3 weeks?

I just want to add the Covid vaccine development time is shorten partly because I have read that there are royalty free technology pooling so that helps and obviously the governments put a lot of money behind it helps too, but I don't know how much speed up is a result of those.I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature. And again, I am no antivaxer. I do not go around trying to convince people either way. You decide what is best for you to do with your own body. The name calling and attempts to shame do not work on me. You should be able to forgive a mf that may not be on board with something like this when shit like the Tuskegee Experiment and other medical experimentation was done to their ancestors.

Just Incognito
07-10-21, 22:21
I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature.There was a 10 year head start on Mrna vaccines that went into this specific covid vaccine--its been tested and and developed very much in accordance with other vaccines. And with more people in more trials han any other vaccine.

Nounce
07-10-21, 23:20
I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature. And again, I am no antivaxer. I do not go around trying to convince people either way. You decide what is best for you to do with your own body. The name calling and attempts to shame do not work on me. You should be able to forgive a mf that may not be on board with something like this when shit like the Tuskegee Experiment and other medical experimentation was done to their ancestors.I hope you are not responding to me. I am adding to your reply about vaccine development with some additional info that I think is valid, it is nothing against your reply or your view.

GeneHickman
07-10-21, 23:21
I was speaking in hyperbole when I said 3 weeks. We know it was not developed in the YEARS that is standard for something of that nature. And again, I am no antivaxer. I do not go around trying to convince people either way. You decide what is best for you to do with your own body. The name calling and attempts to shame do not work on me. You should be able to forgive a mf that may not be on board with something like this when shit like the Tuskegee Experiment and other medical experimentation was done to their ancestors.Mr. E, I do understand your perspective, but that said, the first people eligible for and that's took this thing were the medical personnel on the front lines. All races and mixes have as well. So if you can't see the difference well.

Even though I am mostly libertarian, I can def. Say that in a public health emergency like this, there is a role for more state pressure. I suspect more mandates will be coming after full FDA auth. And needing a vaccine for international travel could easily come to pass, and I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.

MarquisdeSade1
07-11-21, 00:56
I am in the University of Chicago Moderna study I joined in Aug the MD running the study was telling me in Sept and Oct they were 100% confident in the results they were seeing.

Then 5 or 6 days after the election they made that announcement, they waited until after that date, that was clearly done to fuck Trump.They didn't want to wait too long, because people were dying (not even 1 week after election day they announced it was ready).

So I want to know, how many people died because they delayed the vax until after election day just so they could fuck orange man?

Mr Enternational
07-11-21, 01:06
I hope you are not responding to me. I am adding to your reply about vaccine development with some additional info that I think is valid, it is nothing against your reply or your view.No, not you. I am saying in general. Jj got sick with the vaccine by going to Bogota and Medellin. I have been all over Colombia, all over Brazil, all over Dominican Republic, all over Thailand, all over the USA and other places. I haven't gotten shit. So as Elvis was saying, if Jj is the poster child for antivaxxers, then I am on that same poster right along with him, but for the opposite reason. Not that I am wishing to get shit or trying to get shit, but you have to figure if anybody would have gotten shit then it would have been me.

Villainy
07-11-21, 01:56
Almost any and everything you read will echo that around 99% of the CoVid deaths are in unvaccinated people. I copied a bunch of links below. They are not all parroting the CDC's findings.

(Which should be sufficient for anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist). Many of the links are reported from individual states or counties (Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia, California, Washington).

The uniformity of the results might lead a rational person to actively seek vaccination. You are not guaranteed against getting the virus, but you are far more likely to survive it.

Isn't that enough?? Do we really need to know exactly how the virus operates or how the vaccine was conceived or who profits or who scratches their balls.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/unvaccinated-individuals-now-account-for-the-vast-majority-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-and-deaths-in-the-u-s-according-to-available-data/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/07/06/maryland-says-100-of-june-covid-deaths-were-among-unvaccinated-as-early-data-shows-similar-trend-nationally/

https://www.wavy.com/covid-19-vaccine/ncdhhs-unvaccinated-make-up-more-than-99-percent-of-new-covid-cases-in-may-june/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/nearly-all-covid-deaths-in-us-are-now-among-unvaccinated

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/jul/07/unvaccinated-san-diegans-covid-cases-deaths/

https://fredericksburg.com/news/local/99-of-virginians-who-died-from-covid-19-since-january-were-unvaccinated/article_6f4be63e-cc02-54ce-b306-ae82dfa1b406.html

https://www.columbian.com/news/2021/jul/07/study-nearly-97-percent-of-clark-county-covid-19-cases-were-unvaccinated/

MarquisdeSade1
07-11-21, 03:32
Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.Here's a quote from Mitt Romney a few months ago if you can believe it.

Sen. Mitt Romney said Friday that the world is snoozing while China grows as a threat to civil rights, free economies and democracy — and that the Trump administration is failing to build a global coalition to compete against it.

The Chinese "made it very clear that their objective is to become the world's dominant player, to replace the USA As the leading nation on the planet, to replace the USA Economically, militarily and geopolitically," Romney said in a webcast to the conservative Sutherland Institute.

He added that America and the world have not paid attention to the threat.

"We as a nation and the West have been sitting back not worrying much about China, thinking about them as a developing country without recognizing that they are already the second most powerful economy in the world, that they're investing as much as we are in military hardware. ".

He said China achieving its goal as the world's superpower should concern people everywhere.

Chinese leaders "believe in an authoritarian state where there are not two parties, where there's not a free press, where opposition leaders are jailed or worse," he said.

Romney said China gives each of its residents a "social score" that goes higher if they do such things as attend pro-government rallies, but decreases if they go to church, talk to dissidents or attend pro-democracy rallies.

"If your point total gets low enough, you can't get a job," he said. "This is the way they tend to manage their people. They represent a dramatic departure from the principles of liberal democracy that have characterized the great nations of the earth. "

Romney complained that China has learned to use capitalism well but doesn't play by the rules that other nations do.

"They're now cowboy capitalists applying principles that are effective but illegal in most countries," he said.

For example, he said Indonesia produces 80% of the world's nickel used for stainless steel. He said China bought up Indonesia's stainless steel companies and nickel suppliers, and then announced it would not export any outside the county. That would amount to an illegal monopoly elsewhere, which is putting stainless steel companies in jeopardy.

"China does this industry after industry and we and the rest of the world sit there with our mouth hanging open, not knowing what to do," he said. "The answer is. Don't allow China to sell those products in our marketplace. "

But he said China has been spreading billions of dollars in foreign aid worldwide, leading many recipient countries not to complain about Chinese abuses.

"They're looking at spending a half a trillion dollars in Iran. So, of course, Iran's going to be a real friend," Romney said. He adds that similar spending in the Middle East likely has led Islamic countries to be silent about Chinese mistreatment of its Islamic Uighur minority, including beatings and widespread concentration camps.

JjBee62
07-11-21, 05:49
No, not you. I am saying in general. Jj got sick with the vaccine by going to Bogota and Medellin. I have been all over Colombia, all over Brazil, all over Dominican Republic, all over Thailand, all over the USA and other places. I haven't gotten shit. So as Elvis was saying, if Jj is the poster child for antivaxxers, then I am on that same poster right along with him, but for the opposite reason. Not that I am wishing to get shit or trying to get shit, but you have to figure if anybody would have gotten shit then it would have been me.I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated. Had I been tested when I was at the hospital before my trip, I would have tested positive (and never made the trip).

As I've stated before, because of some of the medications I take, I have a weakened immune system, which means, any vaccine is likely to be less effective for me than for the average person. So using me as an example, without considering my overall health condition is like pointing out a man with one leg as proof that nobody is able to run.

Gray123
07-11-21, 08:12
I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.

JjBee62
07-11-21, 10:25
It actually leaves us with more than that, which are my issues that are likewise not debatable.

"It traditionally has taken 5-10 years to get a new vaccine."

"On average, it takes 10-15 years and costs $2.6 billion to develop one new medicine, including the cost of the many failures. Only 12% of new molecular entities that enter clinical trials eventually receive USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval. " That says 10 years, NOT the 2 months it took for these vaccines! In addition, covid vaccines are authorized for emergency use, but they are not FDA approved.

"On average, it takes at least ten years for a new medicine to complete the journey from initial discovery to the marketplace, with clinical trials alone taking six to seven years on average. " That says clinical trials taking 6 years, not the 3 weeks it took for these vaccines!

On top of that if something happens to you because you took one of these barely tested vaccines, it is too bad so sad. You have no means to do anything about it because the makers of these vaccines are exempted from any legal action.I need to respond to this again. It reminded me of something and I failed to address the only thing you wrote which is relevant, that it's not debatable. That's correct, but not because of anything you wrote.

When I worked for the towing company I got a call to unlock a Volvo. I arrived, said a few words to the woman and looked inside. The doors were locked and the keys were laying on the front seat. I grabbed my slim Jim and walked around to the passenger side.

When she saw the slim Jim she started telling me it was impossible to unlock a Volvo that way. I needed to get a locksmith to make a new key.

Before she could finish telling me what I was doing was impossible, I had the car unlocked. I opened the door, grabbed the keys and showed them to her. She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.

If it had taken me 20 minutes, would the car have been more unlocked?

Now let's address each of your points.

The amount of time it takes to accomplish a goal doesn't determine how well the goal was accomplished. If you run a mile in 4 minutes and I run a mile in 12 minutes, did I run the mile better? Was my mile longer than your mile?

If you spend 5 minutes convincing a non pro to fuck you is that non pro worse than the non pro you spent 45 minutes convincing?

Next, on average it takes years to get FDA approval for a medicine. But medicine and vaccines are 2 completely different things. A medicine, generally works to alter one or more aspects of your body chemistry. A vaccine has only one purpose, to trigger your immune system to produce a specific antibody. It either causes the response or not, then the vaccine goes away.

It's like this. A person throws one punch at you. Either they hit or miss, but that's it. Another person tries to kick your ass. Sometimes they hit, sometimes they miss, but you have to defend yourself until they stop.

In the first example, whatever damage you receive is almost certain to be immediately apparent. In the second, you might not realize how much damage was done for hours or days. So the development, testing and approval process for a medication is unrelated to the same process for a vaccine.

Now we come to "the vaccines don't have FDA approval. " Oxycontin and Fentanyl received FDA approval. Does that mean they were safe? Motrin initially was approved as a prescription medication. Later it was reclassified as non-prescription. Did the change in classification change the drug?

FDA approval is a bureaucratic process. It has nothing to do with the development and testing of the drug or vaccine. It's merely a recognition that the company has done their due diligence. When the vaccines become FDA approved, they will be exactly the same as the vaccines which currently have emergency use authorization.

Which brings us to the final objection, if the vaccine harms you, nobody is going to send you a check for $1 million. If you catch Covid and it harms you, nobody is going to send you $1 million either. However, the chance of Covid harming you is at least 15 million times greater than the chance of the vaccine harming you.

That leaves us with your only reason for not wanting to get vaccinated. I call it "The Mom Gambit. ".

When I was a kid I was very good at convincing my mother to let me do things she was opposed to. Scoring strictly on points, my record was perfect. However, at any time she might employ The Mom Gambit, ending any discussion.

The Mom Gambit is like the Crane Kick from "Karate Kid. " It's simple, it's elegant, it's devastating and there's no defense against it. You're going along thinking "I've got this", when out of nowhere you get a kick to the chin and it's lights out.

The Mom Gambit consists of 4 words, "because I said so. " Boom. Turn out the lights, the party's over.

You don't want to get vaccinated because you don't want to get vaccinated. It's not a decision which is based on logic. It's an emotional choice. It's no different than my attraction to short women. You can talk all day about long legs and big butts. I might even agree with your logic. However, when that little 5' 0" girl smiles at me, guess where I'm going.

Which brings us back to my original point. Nobody on this forum had presented a sound logical reason for not getting vaccinated. Every single objection boils down to "because I don't want to. " Which is absolutely fine with me. We are each free to make our own choices, even in matters which might be harmful or fatal to ourselves or others.

My only objection to all of this is you and the others trying to blow smoke up my ass and convince me there's some valid reason for something you have been unable to justify. Just grow a set of testicles and say "I don't want to do it and you can't make me. It's a lot easier than shoving 2 tons of bullshit, spraying it with Febreze and telling us it's perfume.

MarquisdeSade1
07-11-21, 18:48
Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-07/why-china-keeps-sending-warplanes-to-fly-near-taiwan-quicktake

I sure hope so!!

Osteoknot
07-11-21, 23:08
I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.Did you notice the forum here is Stupid Shit? I'd say everything is in its proper place, although I agree the topic is played out.

Mr Enternational
07-12-21, 01:35
I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated.How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?

She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!

JjBee62
07-12-21, 04:49
How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!My brother complained that he thought he had a really bad cold and a sinus infection. He was seriously dragging for 5 days. At the time I didn't think anything of it, because he's generally only around a small circle of people and he doesn't travel.

If you add 5 to 7 days to when I was around him, it coincides with my first symptoms. Add another 14 days and that's when I was tested. 6 more days and my symptoms started to clear up.

One of the problems after having Covid is that enough can remain in your body to cause a positive test for several weeks after you're no longer contagious.

I had a lot of fun at the towing company. It was only a bit over 30 years ago. The average tow bill then was $30-$35.

GeneHickman
07-12-21, 06:36
How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!Some people with weaker immune systems. Chronic illnesses or elderly take longer to clear the virus. Kids with strong immune systems generally run through it quickly.

JustTK
07-12-21, 16:34
Almost any and everything you read will echo that around 99% of the CoVid deaths are in unvaccinated people. I copied a bunch of links below. They are not all parroting the CDC's findings.
(Which should be sufficient for anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist). The uniformity of the results might lead a rational person to actively seek vaccination. You are not guaranteed against getting the virus, but you are far more likely to survive it.
Isn't that enough?? Do we really need to know exactly how the virus operates or how the vaccine was conceived or who profits or who scratches their balls.Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

Villainy
07-12-21, 17:35
Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.

John Clayton
07-12-21, 17:36
Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.

JjBee62
07-12-21, 21:15
Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?Let me get this straight.

You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If a vaccine prevents you from being hospitalized or dying for 6 months (and also prevents you from infecting other people who might be hospitalized or who might die, then what's the objection? "I'd rather go ahead and die now than have to submit to another half second vaccine injection again next year."

Where in the fuck is this potential vaccine you are speaking of? There are several actual, tested and proven vaccines. To date they have been administered to nearly 1 billion people around the world. That's a total of almost 2 billion tests, not counting all of the actual tests before any of the vaccines were authorized for distribution.

Is there a chance that any individual will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine? Yes. Just like there is a chance that someone will choke on a piece of popcorn. Is it immoral to sell popcorn because 1 out of every 1 million people who eat popcorn will choke and die on popcorn?

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.

MarquisdeSade1
07-12-21, 22:48
So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.You recd Sinovac.

MarquisdeSade1
07-12-21, 22:51
You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.Of defective DNA.

MarquisdeSade1
07-12-21, 22:51
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/

JustTK
07-13-21, 00:02
So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".
But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.
Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.
Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.
Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??
The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.Yes, there is a difference between short term and long term. The vaccine clearly helps vulnerable people from dying in the short term. But its long term effectiveness is not proven (bcos viruses mutate). Thats great if your vulnerable or rich, or even better if your both. But billions of people will never get a vax bcos they live in a poor country. That will remain an opportunity for the virus to mutate.

My personal issue is not with the effectiveness of the vaccine. My issue is that I will not support a process that kills innocent beings in the trials. I don't accept that my life is more important than those innocent beings that are being murdered in the trials.

JustTK
07-13-21, 00:06
You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.Well I guess if what you wrote is your understanding of what I wrote, then that makes you the idiot, not me. I didn't write any of those positions that you described. But go ahead and criticise those vews if you like. But they ain't mine. .

JjBee62
07-13-21, 05:14
Well I guess if what you wrote is your understanding of what I wrote, then that makes you the idiot, not me. I didn't write any of those positions that you described. But go ahead and criticise those vews if you like. But they ain't mine..Is English not your first language? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on not understanding what you wrote. Let's take an in depth look, shall we?


Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.There are people who think that pulling out is an effective method of birth control. There is no good evidence to support that belief, but those people are either unwilling to examine the evidence, or are unable to understand it. There is no evidence that the vaccines are ineffective, quite the opposite. For some individuals they may provide less protection, for some individuals they may provide no protection. However, for the vast majority they provide significant protection.

And that's how vaccines work, by preventing most recipients from contracting whichever disease the vaccination is for. Poliomyelitis would not have been almost entirely eradicated worldwide, without such widespread distribution of the vaccine. If you want a visual to help grasp that concept, go to Medellin. Walk around some of the poor neighborhoods. Look for the people with twisted and shriveled limbs. They're not difficult to spot. Often they are begging for change. Notice anything about them? None of them are children or young adults. The reason is, the disease was eradicated from Colombia by 1991.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe the Covid vaccines are ineffective, go for it. But stop babbling incoherently about evidence when you obviously are either unwilling or unable to examine the evidence.


But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but anyone can question anything they want. That doesn't mean their questions are valid. This is really the departure from sanity point in your post. I'll put it in terms anyone with an IQ above 85 should understand. If you get lost get an adult to explain it to you.

33 years ago, plus a few months, my fiancee was found to have 2 malignant brain tumors, 1 left temporal and 1 right frontal. This was her third about with cancer, with the second being about 4 years earlier. We consulted with Oncologists and Neurosurgeons, we researched all the available alternatives and asked all the questions. The main question was "what are the chances the cancer will come back?

In other words "what is the long term effectiveness of this surgery and treatment combination?

Without surgery, with radiation treatments and massive doses of steroids, she could have hoped to live for 6-9 months, however, she would have effectively been a vegetable after 3-4 months. With surgery, an experimental treatment and radiation treatments, she could reasonably expect to be cancer free for 3-5 years. However, the likelihood of future cancer was high.

Using your insane reasoning, since the long term effectiveness of the treatment was unknown, she would have been better off dying in 6-9 months after only a few months of being able to live her life. Since neither of us were insane, we went with the course which provided the best hope for a future.

In the end, the cancer returned (after 5 years) there was another round of surgery and treatment, which gave another 3 years before cancer ended her life. That's nearly 8 years of life that you believe she should have thrown away, because the long term effectiveness was unknown.

Are you beginning to grasp why I said you're making yourself look like an idiot?

Choosing between being protected nearly 100% against death or long term hospitalization from Covid for a year or more (at no cost to you), with the possibility of needing another dose of vaccine at some point in the future, and having up to a 20% chance of hospitalization and 1. 8% chance of death, if you become symptomatic with Covid (all while racking up huge medical bills), seems pretty fucking simple.


Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?Ah! The coup de grace. It's immoral to take a vaccine. I could understand your point if 60% of my cerebral cortex had been surgically removed. I could even understand your point if people were being injected with an untested vaccine against their will and without their knowledge. That would certainly be immoral.

However, the vaccine has been tested. It continues to be tested many thousands of times every day. The rate of adverse effects is extremely low. It is not a "potential vaccine." None of the currently available vaccines are "potential vaccines." Nobody is forcing you to inject an unknown substance into your wife, child or mother.

However, if wish to link voluntarily receiving a tested and safe vaccine with morality then you're on the wrong fucking forum. By being here, on ISG, in the Colombia forum, you are supporting using the poverty of young Colombian mothers as a lever to force them to have sex with you at a price much lower than you could get in other places. Check with your local community standards. I believe you'll find more people think that mongering with impoverished women 20-50 years younger than you is less acceptable than getting a vaccine.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not trying to claim my moral superiority by my decision on whether or not to get vaccinated.

I'll keep saying it:

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to get vaccinated. Not that a bullet to the head has a chance of striking anything you use. It's your personal decision, nobody else's. Just stop spewing your idiocy trying to pretend your decision has any rational basis.

AmoMedellin
07-13-21, 13:46
Vaccine have same side-effects that the original flu, corona has, but only of 1/1. 000 or 1/10.000 or even 1/100.000.

Blod coagulation is a major side-effect of corona infection, responsible for million of deaths, that is in combination with other damages on lunges etc.

Astra-Zenecas caused blood coagulation in 4 of 400.000 people in Norway. One on 100.000, and treatable!

So we are all safe in the 1st world very soon and can sell / give the vaccine to 2nd /3rd world counties in a couple of months and then the battle begins in Africa, Latin-American and Asia. It should eliminated in 6 months in the major population areas and in 12 months globally.

The price for sex services is 16% of that in Copenhagen. It has been around 15% since 2006 when I made my first trip.

Prices was souring when young venezolanas invaded and brought down prices to it's normal 150 k / hour for beautiful girls, which is a weeks salary for unskilled unregistred workers.

I look for my super vopuptuosa prepago-friend-provider Monica, she used the name Zara on Paisadivinas, we had an argument and I can't stand life itself with her, she is the perfect mistress! Big round ass, long legs, big tits, big lips, like a doll but affordable, I always. Hey, why only 150 k including BBBJ.

Anyone know her or anther super-voupuos beauty with great personality, around 30 yo, since they are not trying to rob me / us do all the time, I can't bring them to my apartment anymore, they are hopeless and might cause a scene and make things hell for me.

MarquisdeSade1
07-14-21, 02:25
https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/08/the-age-of-intellectual-cholera/

JustTK
07-14-21, 18:02
Is English not your first language? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on not understanding what you wrote. Let's take an in depth look, shall we?A USAn trying to teach English. How sweet! Haha.


You are entitled to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe the Covid vaccines are ineffective, go for it. But stop babbling incoherently about evidence when you obviously are either unwilling or unable to examine the evidence.Seems that you are stumbling over the double negative that I used, plus not grasping that I spoke of other people, not myself. SO before you attempt to ridicule someone for not understanding English, best if you dble chk your own understanding first. Haha.

"Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective. " - simply means "This is good evidence against vaccine-efficacy deniers. ".

So clearly your are not off to a good start here.


Using your insane reasoning, since the long term effectiveness of the treatment was unknown, she would have been better off dying in 6-9 months after only a few months of being able to live her life. Since neither of us were insane, we went with the course which provided the best hope for a future..Again, a quite astonishing misunderstanding of what I wrote: "people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven. ".

Nowhere did I state that was my own position. I am writing about the position that others hold. Neither did I ever state the best course of action is to do nothing.

Again, a complete strawman. Well done!


Nobody is forcing you to inject an unknown substance into your wife, child or mother.Now on to your final total failure to understand what was written. You misundesrtand my analogy.

I posit a Q. Would it be moral for me to take you or a loved one from you without your or their permission so that I could run medial experiments on you / them? Chances are good that it will prevent deaths in creating a vaccine but chances are certain that you will die in the experiment Is that moral?

That is my dilemma. Do you understand the dilemma now?

No one has forced me or my wife or children or loved ones to take part in these experiments. Thats bcos I am lucky. But there are thousands of innocent sentient beings that have been forced in to these experiments. And been murdered. And that is what I do not accept.

So well, done. You not only failed to destroy anything of what I wrote, you manage to totally misunderstand every part of what I wrote. Is English YOUR first language?

JjBee62
07-14-21, 20:00
A USAn trying to teach English. How sweet! Haha.

Seems that you are stumbling over the double negative that I used, plus not grasping that I spoke of other people, not myself. SO before you attempt to ridicule someone for not understanding English, best if you dble chk your own understanding first. Haha.

"Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective. " - simply means "This is good evidence against vaccine-efficacy deniers. ".

So clearly your are not off to a good start here.

Again, a quite astonishing misunderstanding of what I wrote: "people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven. ".

Nowhere did I state that was my own position. I am writing about the position that others hold. Neither did I ever state the best course of action is to do nothing.

Again, a complete strawman. Well done!.Thanks for clearing that up. At first I thought you were just confused and unable to express yourself coherently. Now you've clearly stated you have no idea what you are talking about and are simply another idiot without anything useful to provide.

You could have saved about 20 posts by just saying so from the beginning.

Elvis 2008
07-14-21, 20:50
So well, done. You not only failed to destroy anything of what I wrote, you manage to totally misunderstand every part of what I wrote. Is English YOUR first language?Wow! This was an epic comeback. The problem with JJBee and the other impassioned Democrats whom I call Democratic douches is their arrogance. They have blamed Trump for all the deaths in America, rode it to a victory, proclaimed their allies didn't steal the election (when it could have easily been stolen), and are now turning that same partisan tactics on with the vaccines. Blue states are vaccinating more than red which mean Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

Of course, the Republican partisan folks do not trust the media and medical guard like Fauci who ousted their beloved leader. They think and are right to mistrust the medical establishment, but the vaccine really was not from the medical establishment but the private sector. However, the pharmacy leaders getting a lawsuit exemption is a tough pill to swallow, and I think they should have had a modification such that people could sue but with a limit on damages. Nonetheless, the benefits of getting the vaccine outweigh the risks for most people.

And the resurgence of Covid in America is now not a statistical fluke but one I am seeing myself. Hospitals are full again, and they are full of Covid patients and all but one at one hospital had been vaccinated. Sadly, this is hitting younger ages now and those are the folks less likely to get the vaccine, 30 to 60 year old mostly.

So what is needed now more then ever is an end to the partisan bickering. Yes, Republicans Covid is real. No, Democrats the vaccine has way more side effects than you are being told. Vertigo is more than 1%, women with excessive bleeding after the vaccine is real, pericarditis in young men is real too. 750 people have died after getting the vaccine and 4000+ more have been hospitalized.

The virus has shown the worse of the partisan bickering, and I hope it comes to an end. To the people who have not gotten vaccinated, talk to those who have. There is little I or anyone else to say that will make you change your mind.

JustTK
07-14-21, 23:59
Wow! This was an epic comeback. The problem with JJBee and the other impassioned Democrats whom I call Democratic douches is their arrogance. ...

And the resurgence of Covid in America is now not a statistical fluke but one I am seeing myself. Hospitals are full again, and they are full of Covid patients and all but one at one hospital had been vaccinated. Sadly, this is hitting younger ages now and those are the folks less likely to get the vaccine, 30 to 60 year old mostly.

So what is needed now more then ever is an end to the partisan bickering. Yes, Republicans Covid is real. No, Democrats the vaccine has way more side effects than you are being told. Vertigo is more than 1%, women with excessive bleeding after the vaccine is real, pericarditis in young men is real too. 750 people have died after getting the vaccine and 4000+ more have been hospitalized.

The virus has shown the worse of the partisan bickering, and I hope it comes to an end.I also find it highly arrogant that people resort to insults so easily, just bcos someone else has a different view. They don't even take the time to understand what the other person writes. As you say, politics has taken a strong grip in the USA (and I suspect most here are USAns), which means that there is only room for 2 views in most people's minds. Yet covid has made a mockery of nearly all political positions. I certainly don't think either party in the USA has a commendable position on COVID and my own is different to both.

It is true that cases are rising again in some unexpected places. UK for example (one of the countries with the highest vax rates) is experiencing very high cases again. It seems the vaxes have lowered death rates but have not prevented spread. And in that environment there is no way that the virus will be eliminated. We have to simply learn to live with it. But many people do not want to hear that. So they attack the messenger.

Oh well, it would be a nicer place to chat here if some people were most respectful of others. A different view does not always mean a view from across the political aisle. There is room for more than two views, and often sharing opinions is the best way to learn.

JjBee62
07-15-21, 04:20
I also find it highly arrogant that people resort to insults so easily, just bcos someone else has a different view. They don't even take the time to understand what the other person writes. As you say, politics has taken a strong grip in the USA (and I suspect most here are USAns), which means that there is only room for 2 views in most people's minds. Yet covid has made a mockery of nearly all political positions. I certainly don't think either party in the USA has a commendable position on COVID and my own is different to both.

It is true that cases are rising again in some unexpected places. UK for example (one of the countries with the highest vax rates) is experiencing very high cases again. It seems the vaxes have lowered death rates but have not prevented spread. And in that environment there is no way that the virus will be eliminated. We have to simply learn to live with it. But many people do not want to hear that. So they attack the messenger.

Oh well, it would be a nicer place to chat here if some people were most respectful of others. A different view does not always mean a view from across the political aisle. There is room for more than two views, and often sharing opinions is the best way to learn.It's not arrogance. If someone is saying or doing something stupid, they need to be informed they are being stupid. If they continue, then they require constant reminders.

However, let me put it in terms that you and El "it's no worse than the flu" Virus can understand. Oops. I just gave both of you much more credit than you deserve. The chance of either of you understanding it is about 1. 5 of 42,000.

Let's start with your claim that the vaccine has killed thousands and ElVirus' claim it has hospitalized thousands. Let's exaggerate just a bit and make the number: 9,999.

That's the highest it can be before it becomes tens of thousands. And to exaggerate further let's say that's 9,999 confirmed deaths definitely caused by a vaccine.

Now let's look at another number: 4,000,000.

That's the current number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19. Let's put them together so there's a chance you can understand which is the bigger number:

9,999 - assumed, exaggerated, unconfirmed vaccine deaths.

4,000000 - actual, confirmed COVID-19 deaths.

Are you still confused? Let's add 2 more numbers.

First, the number of people who have received at least 1 vaccine dose: 1,900,000,000.

Second, the number of confirmed COVID-19 infections: 188,000,000.

Now let's bring that together for you. After that, feel free to go to my first paragraph and read it with a new level of comprehension.

9,999 ÷ 1,900,000,000 = 0. 000000525.

That's the grossly exaggerated, unconfirmed probability that getting vaccinated will kill you.

4,000,000 ÷ 188,000,000 = 0. 021.

That's the confirmed probability that getting Covid will kill you if you're unvaccinated.

Now let's make that per 100,000 people, to make it easier to illustrate to the stupid people.

For every 100,000 unvaccinated people who get Covid, 2,100 will die.

For every 100,000 people who get vaccinated, 0. 0525 will die.

I guess it's better to raise that to 2,000,000.

For every 2,000,000 vaccines given, 1.5 person might die.

For every 2,000,000 unvaccinated people who are infected with Covid, 42,000 will die.

So you believe it's much better to kill 42,000 people than to take a chance that 1. 5 persons might die?

Still think it's arrogance? Feel free to illustrate to us all how it's more important to let 84,000 people die so you can keep 3 alive.

JjBee62
07-15-21, 05:42
I also find it highly arrogant that people resort to insults so easily, just bcos someone else has a different view. They don't even take the time to understand what the other person writes. As you say, politics has taken a strong grip in the USA (and I suspect most here are USAns), which means that there is only room for 2 views in most people's minds. Yet covid has made a mockery of nearly all political positions. I certainly don't think either party in the USA has a commendable position on COVID and my own is different to both.

It is true that cases are rising again in some unexpected places. UK for example (one of the countries with the highest vax rates) is experiencing very high cases again. It seems the vaxes have lowered death rates but have not prevented spread. And in that environment there is no way that the virus will be eliminated. We have to simply learn to live with it. But many people do not want to hear that. So they attack the messenger.

Oh well, it would be a nicer place to chat here if some people were most respectful of others. A different view does not always mean a view from across the political aisle. There is room for more than two views, and often sharing opinions is the best way to learn.And now for the kinder, gentler response.

You have to take Elvis with a grain of salt. For him everything has to be expressed along political lines. Unless you agree 100% with his current position, you're a liberal and the cause of all the world's problems. This might make sense if his position on the pandemic didn't change drastically from day to day.

For months he claimed it wasn't worse than the flu. Although there were several numbers he claimed the US death toll would never reach, the most renowned was 80,000. Along the way he's claimed masks were ineffective and effective, social distancing was effective and ineffective, travel restrictions were ineffective and effective, the list goes on and on.

My position on the pandemic has nothing to do with any political position. It has to do with 1 thing: deaths. Unnecessary deaths bother me. I don't care about your politics, or anyone else's politics. When it comes to the pandemic I have one question. Is what you're doing likely to increase or reduce the number of unnecessary deaths?

At the individual level, I don't care who gets vaccinated. However, if someone is attempting to promote the idea that getting vaccinated is more dangerous than not getting vaccinated, I'm going to oppose them. See my prior post for an easy to understand explanation.

You want me to be more respectful? Respect is a two way street. If you want it, you need to be willing to give it.

Twice I responded to your post giving specific examples to counter your claims. Did you address any of the points I made? Not one. All you did was complain I was mean to you.

I readily admit my tone was rude. I have a very low tolerance for insupportable statements and you made a few. Let's revisit them.

I'm going to paraphrase. Some people won't get vaccinated because the long term effectiveness is unknown.

There's only one thing where the long term effectiveness is certain, death. I think you mentioned eating healthy and keeping in shape in one post. The cemeteries are full of people who ate healthy and kept fit. Those types of risk management behaviors improve the life expectancy of the group, but there will always be individuals who fall outside the curve.

Getting vaccinated may only protect you for 6 months, or you might get hit by a bus 2 weeks later. What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I think that's enough. If you want to have a respectful, friendly discussion, then address the points I've made. Show how they are invalid.

PVMonger
07-15-21, 14:26
Wow! This was an epic comeback. The problem with JJBee and the other impassioned Democrats whom I call Democratic douches is their arrogance. They have blamed Trump for all the deaths in America, rode it to a victory, proclaimed their allies didn't steal the election (when it could have easily been stolen), and are now turning that same partisan tactics on with the vaccines. Blue states are vaccinating more than red which mean Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

Of course, the Republican partisan folks do not trust the media and medical guard like Fauci who ousted their beloved leader. They think and are right to mistrust the medical establishment, but the vaccine really was not from the medical establishment but the private sector. However, the pharmacy leaders getting a lawsuit exemption is a tough pill to swallow, and I think they should have had a modification such that people could sue but with a limit on damages. Nonetheless, the benefits of getting the vaccine outweigh the risks for most people..RepubliKKKans, including the orange buffoon, were against any form of mitigation (masks, distancing, etc) and for vaccines before the orange buffoon got kicked to the curb, now they won't get vaccinated because of, well, who knows? Most of them are just plain obstreperous. Or stupid.

Look at what is happening in red states like Tennessee. Vaccine outreach has been terminated by RepubliKKKans. Why? Makes no sense. Unless being contrary is the goal. But, in reality, who cares? They're just going to kill their own voters!

That COVID cases are rising is no fluke and you are correct on that. The R0 of the delta variant is at least 3 x more infectious than the original (6 vs 2). Do the math if you can. The results will astound you.

All but one at one hospital had been vaccinated? I highly doubt it, especially because you provided no proof (just like Tucker "Your a moron if you believe anything I say" Carlson). The facts are that COVID cases are exploding in states with the lowest vaccination rates. All of those states voted for the orange buffoon. People who aren't getting vaccinated are risking their lives, their parent's lives, etc.

The vaccine has side effects? Big whoop because every vaccine has side effects. Way more than we're being told? How do you know? Were you told? Or did you make it up? Or get your info from some conspiracy theory web site? Rather than spouting raw numbers as your justification, why not use percentages? 170 million people in the US have received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. 750 people have died. What is that percentage? 750 people have died after getting the vaccine? Or 750 deaths can be directly linked to receiving the vaccine? Big difference.

MarquisdeSade1
07-15-21, 15:50
Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/15/opinion/coronavirus-vaccine-south-africa.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

JustTK
07-15-21, 15:54
It's not arrogance. If someone is saying or doing something stupid, they need to be informed they are being stupid. If they continue, then they require constant reminders.

Let's start with your claim that the vaccine has killed thousands and ElVirus' claim it has hospitalized thousands.
And so it goes on! Really, you're incredible! I never once claimed that the vaccine has killed thousands. I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. "You need to be informed that you are being stupid. ".

JustTK
07-15-21, 16:09
You want me to be more respectful? Respect is a two way street. If you want it, you need to be willing to give it.

Twice I responded to your post giving specific examples to counter your claims. Did you address any of the points I made? Not one. All you did was complain I was mean to you. I readily admit my tone was rude. I have a very low tolerance for insupportable statements and you made a few. Let's revisit them.

I'm going to paraphrase. Some people won't get vaccinated because the long term effectiveness is unknown.

There's only one thing where the long term effectiveness is certain, death. I think you mentioned eating healthy and keeping in shape in one post. The cemeteries are full of people who ate healthy and kept fit. Those types of risk management behaviors improve the life expectancy of the group, but there will always be individuals who fall outside the curve.

Getting vaccinated may only protect you for 6 months, or you might get hit by a bus 2 weeks later. What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I think that's enough. If you want to have a respectful, friendly discussion, then address the points I've made. Show how they are invalid.When you respond to a comment straight out of the gate with an insult, you are not going to get any respect back. You have already started down a one-way road.


Twice I responded to your post giving specific examples to counter your claims. Did you address any of the points I made? Not one. All you did was complain I was mean to you. I readily admit my tone was rude.Often I do not respond to insults and rudeness.


I have a very low tolerance for insupportable statements and you made a few. Let's revisit them.

I'm going to paraphrase. Some people won't get vaccinated because the long term effectiveness is unknown.

There's only one thing where the long term effectiveness is certain, death. I think you mentioned eating healthy and keeping in shape in one post. The cemeteries are full of people who ate healthy and kept fit. Those types of risk management behaviors improve the life expectancy of the group, but there will always be individuals who fall outside the curve.

Getting vaccinated may only protect you for 6 months, or you might get hit by a bus 2 weeks later. What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I think that's enough. If you want to have a respectful, friendly discussion, then address the points I've made. Show how they are invalid.I am not sure where or what your counter is. It seems that you are agreeing with me that the long term effectiveness is unknown, that good health increases life expectancy. You haven't countered any claim that I made, you have agreed with them. I cannot show how your points are invalid bcos I agree.

"What percentage of people in ICU on ventilators wish they had gotten vaccinated? What percentage are glad they didn't get vaccinated?

I have no idea. Any guess would be wild speculation. Nor do I know what % of people in ICU have been vaccinated.

JjBee62
07-15-21, 16:32
I just saw a story that Bogota is back in the red with ICU capacity at 84%. I expect Medellin will be there soon. Many places in the US have seen the number of new infections triple in recent weeks. This trend is likely to continue, at least in the US and probably Colombia as well.

If you're shocked, or grasping for reasons why this could be happening now, it's easy to explain. We've already done it once.

If you go back to March-April 2020, what was happening in the US and Colombia? Communities were mandating masks and social distancing, gatherings were prohibited, travel was restricted, people were asked to stay home except for essential trips, many employers, when able, had employees work from home, schools were all closed. In simpler terms, we took the recommended steps to limit the spread of the virus. In the US we did this for almost 5 weeks.

It was effective. New infections started dropping, number of deaths and hospitalizations peaked and began to fall. If we had continued for 2 more weeks, last summer probably would have been much better. Instead, after 4 weeks, people, including people in power, began to demand all those precautions end. Armed protesters even stormed one state capitol. People argued for open bars and restaurants, reopening schools and removing masks. Over the next 7 weeks the number of cases more than tripled.

At that point there was some pushback. Masks became common again, more stores began controlling customer entry, more restrictions were placed on gatherings. Which brought us to our second dip, in August and early September, still twice as high as the lowest point of the first dip, but an improvement.

And then we reopened the schools. There was a strong push to return everything back to normal. Masks were compared to The Holocaust, blah, blah, blah. Between September and January the daily number of new cases increased 1,000%. We went from a low of 25 k new cases on September 7 to 250 k on January 10. We went from under 300 deaths daily to over 4,000 over roughly the same time period (the deaths curve follows 3-4 weeks behind the infection curve).

Then we once again began emphasizing the common sense measures which were effective before, along with distribution and campaigns to get people vaccinated. By June we had reached levels that we haven't seen since late March 2020.

It's almost as if we're afraid of success. Every time we can see the light at the end of the tunnel, we start screaming that we need to return to the dark ages.

Masks in the US have almost completely disappeared. All the signs posted a month ago are gone. I do at least still see people social distancing in stores, but there's a strong push to open up events to spectators, without limits. At the same time there's an active push to discourage people from being vaccinated. It doesn't take a PhD in mathematics to project the curve.

As things are going, the number of infections will continue to rise and the rate of new vaccinations will continue to fall. Assuming that doesn't change the US will be back in the 1500-2500 deaths per day range before Thanksgiving, which would have us approaching 1 million deaths early 2022. Remember when 80,000 deaths was an impossible number?

Although the new variants are part of the problem, there's no magic bullet. If you increase the opportunity for virus transmission, you increase the number of new infections. Increase the number of new infections and you increase the likelihood of new variants.

There is one bright spot in this. The people who will die will almost exclusively be the people who refused to get vaccinated. Eventually we'll reach a level of stabilization, after enough anti-vaxx people tell their family "I wish I'd gotten vaccinated."

In a moment of serendipity I just saw a story last night about a couple from Missouri who refused the vaccine and ended up hospitalized for Covid. Let's just say an extended stay in ICU clarifies the "should I get vaccinated" question.

The good news is that this will mostly be over in another year. At least in the US. It's already nearly over in many countries. When it ends depends almost entirely on the local vaccination rates.

Paulie97
07-15-21, 17:09
Look at what is happening in red states like Tennessee. Vaccine outreach has been terminated by RepubliKKKans. Why? Makes no sense. The answer to this can be found in right wing media, with the old Chicken Little, slippery slope fallacy. They think that if canvassing to encourage vaccination is allowed then they'll next be knocking on doors asking for their guns and bibles. It would be hilarious if the matter weren't so serious. They make us the laughing stock of the world.

"The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. ".

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

Mr Enternational
07-15-21, 17:38
RepubliKKKans, including the orange buffoon, were against any form of mitigation (masks, distancing, etc)So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.

John Clayton
07-15-21, 17:52
So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.They were (are) unable to get the vaccines. Vaccination rate there is currently 4.6%.

AggieDad1
07-15-21, 18:01
So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.Well said.

Paulie97
07-15-21, 20:30
So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.Many countries have had great success by complying with common sense protocols, masks, social distancing, and restrictions on movements. That includes many Asian countries, including Thailand who recently let down their guard and has had a slow vaccine roll out. It also includes the Nordic nations excluding Sweden. But to notice that a number of countries have had weak compliance, as well as many fools chasing conspiracy theories, then jump from that to claiming it's all apolitical is ludicrous. Mr E has some of the best mongering posts around, but when he jumps into politics gets every logical fallacy under the sun going.

Yes, in general terms there has been quite a divide between Repubs and Dems in the US in matters of Covid, though of course their are individual exceptions in both camps. The former generally has fought us every step of the way. First it was just the "Kung Flu" and a left wing hoax to sabotage Trump re-election chances. Then the numbers were faked, hospitals lying about the cause of deaths in order to rip off Medicare. Of course the fact that deaths were spiking in many countries where no such incentive exists never crossed their minds. Then it's masks, social distancing, and "lockdowns" don't work. Or that it's unconstitutional, even though people are often required to wear clothes in public, and our movements are restricted all the time, like at traffic lights or with prohibitions on demonstrations without permits. Not to mention that the Supreme Court in the past has upheld forced quarantines of TB patients. But where do we wind up? Well of course, with anti-vaxxers as they are intent on fighting us every step of the way. Plus right wing media needs hot button issues to spin in their propaganda hours because that's how they draw a crowd and make money. Listen to them in their own words, Fox and Newsmax, which further confirms as ludicrous, your claim that none of this is political.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/07/14/fox-news-newsmax-vaccine-misinformation-newday-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/

https://logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur

JjBee62
07-15-21, 21:28
And so it goes on! Really, you're incredible! I never once claimed that the vaccine has killed thousands. I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. "You need to be informed that you are being stupid. ".You scoffed when I asked if English was your native language. I feel the need to ask again.

"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."

Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?


No one has forced me or my wife or children or loved ones to take part in these experiments. Thats bcos I am lucky. But there are thousands of innocent sentient beings that have been forced in to these experiments. And been murdered. And that is what I do not accept.Which language is your native tongue? Perhaps it loses something when crossing from the UK to the USA.

You start off mentioning your wife, children and loved ones. Is it safe to assume they are not only sentient beings, but also human? Because, if your wife, children and loved ones are sentient and human, it follows that the "thousands of innocent sentient beings" were also human. Your use of the word "murdered" supports that. Since the discussion is about getting vaccinated (in your prior post you even stated "potential vaccines" am I out of line to assume you were stating thousands of people were forcibly vaccinated and killed by the process. Do you understand that is a claim that thousands have been killed by the vaccine?

It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.

1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.

2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.

3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.

I'm going to go with option number 1, although 3 is certainly tempting. However, lack of moral integrity is well supported by this:

"I really can't be bothered to read the rest of your diatribe if you can't even get the first premise correct. ".

You see, part of that nasty moral integrity is that you don't discount something without reading it first. It would be similar to writing a terrible review of a restaurant which you've never visited, solely because you don't like someone who works there.

This is a regular occurrence with you and I expect you're incapable of better behavior. Your other post lends credence to my claim. In it you claim we're in agreement about the long term effectiveness of the vaccine, yet that's a gross misunderstanding of my view on the subject. You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't. I've spelled it out in intricate detail. Yet you lack the honesty to address my statements.

You can continue with this as long as you wish, or until you contract Covid and you stop posting (either through incapacity or the inability to admit the flaws in your position). I made a valid effort to steer this to a respectful discussion. However, you again demonstrated your lack of moral integrity by refusing the possibility of a respectful discussion.

Unless I get bored and just want to poke fun at the mentally disadvantaged, I'll leave you to your psychosis.

JjBee62
07-15-21, 21:49
So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.Much of it, depending on the country has plenty to do with politics and religious beliefs. I won't get into that discussion, but you can easily compare infection rates by country and look at what actions were supported by the government of each country. Draw your own conclusions.

Going directly to Thailand, that's fairly easy. They were on the ball early. They did all the right things for a year, with a great deal of success. However, 3 things are currently working against them.

1. The Delta variant is much more contagious.

2. They have a very low vaccination rate.

3. Most of the vaccines given were the Sinovac vaccine which appears to be mostly ineffective against the Delta variant.

I don't know for certain, but I would suspect Thailand (Vietnam, Indonesia, etc) started relaxing restrictions somewhat shortly before the Delta variant hit the country. As we've seen again and again the waves take several weeks to develop and then rage on for several weeks, after measures to combat them are taken.

Without widespread distribution of a vaccine effective against the Delta variant, along with a return to the masks, curfews and lockdowns, they're in for a bumpy ride.

Elvis 2008
07-16-21, 05:56
You have to take Elvis with a grain of salt. For him everything has to be expressed along political lines. Unless you agree 100% with his current position, you're a liberal and the cause of all the world's problems. This might make sense if his position on the pandemic didn't change drastically from day to day.LOL. Yes, when I am critical of "science" loving douches, it has to be political? Ha. You were busy kissing Fauci's ass when that MF partially caused the pandemic. Hell, you were cheering on the travel ban and economic destruction.

My position changed from early on. Covid had an early pattern, that was all that was known about it, and it broke the pattern. If you applied any of your mathematical principles to almost any other virus, you would have been wrong. Covid was different because it was man made.


For months he claimed it wasn't worse than the flu. Although there were several numbers he claimed the US death toll would never reach, the most renowned was 80,000.I am not even going to bother with you anymore. When you claim to have superior knowledge with predictions (and yours were awful), you personally were dumb enough to get sick with the virus, board an airplane, and spread it around to God knows how many people. On the other hand, I have been exposed to dozens if not hundreds of people with Covid and have not gotten it.

I told you all to avoid people who look sick and got mocked. Of course, then you hung around with your sick brother and got Covid. And that nonsense about how far away from him you were, if that were true, I would have been sick dozens of times. No, you were close to him, and you got it because you were stupid.

All this social distancing, hand sanitizer, wearing mask outside BS, and I said the smartest thing was to avoid sick people, and your dumb Democratic douche ass could not even follow that advice.

And then you thought you had Covid when you had a heart condition and had Covid when you thought it was something else. Throughout this, you still think you have the need to lecture. Dummy, you infected God knows how many people. Will you STFU on this topic? No one thinks you are an expert. You could not even diagnose in yourself. You are a clown.

I can see what I posted was misinterpreted. There are 750 people who have died of Covid who have had the vaccine and 4000 people who have gotten the vaccine and been hospitalized with Covid.

As for your mathematical predictions, the chance of a NFL player dying from Covid is less than 1% but vertigo rates are north of that. With the kind of vertigo I have seen, the chances of it being career ending are very real. So from a society stand point, should the NFL player get the vaccine? Yes. From an individual stand point? IMO the answer is no.

You are only looking at things from a life and death perspective. Economics matter, and that is the problem with you Democratic douches. You made Covid into this huge boogie man and insisted all the sacrifices were worthwhile when they were not. The part of medicine where the first rule of do no harm was thrown out the window, and you all just ignored all the harm you were doing.

JustTK
07-16-21, 14:46
You scoffed when I asked if English was your native language. I feel the need to ask again.
"I never once claimed the vaccine has killed thousands."Your absolute certainty in your own incorrect understanding is astounding. A clear and strong case of Dunning and Kruger.


Are you certain? Absolutely certain? Do you unequivocally stand behind that statement?Yes I am happy with my statement. As you urself point out, I am talking about the experiments that pharma companies run in developing and testing potential vaccines. It's called vivisection. That is a very different thing to deaths caused by the actual administration of the vaccine to the general public once the vaccine has been approved. I claim the former whereas you throw the latter at me.


It would seem 1 of 3 possibilities is at play here.

1. You're not being honest. You lack the moral integrity to acknowledge that you made a statement, which you can't defend.

2. Your grasp of English is tenuous at best and you lack the ability to understand the words you are using.

3. You simply lack the intelligence to be involved in this discussion.
No. There is a 4th possibility – that you are too stupid to understand the difference between experiments on potential vaccines and the use of approved vaccines.


You support avoiding vaccination because long term effectiveness is unknown. Sorry, you appear to claim that the uncertainty of long term effectiveness is a valid reason to avoid vaccination. I don't.Once again, flat out wrong. I do not support the vaccine bcos I think it is immoral to murder innocent beings in the experiments conducted to research, develop and test pharmaceutical products. I have stated that several times. I do not know why it will not sink in to your thick head. Sentient beings are raped, enslaved and encaged, their babies stolen from them, mutilated, tortured and murdered. Why? So that another sentient being can live? If you are not willing to sacrifice urself or your own loved ones for such a cause, you have no moral right to force others to do it. That is why it is immoral to me. So very far from your ridiculous assumptions.

JohnnyWalker55
07-16-21, 16:27
So what about damn near every other country on the planet? Were they full of Republikkkans or did they have an orange buffoon? When there were only 1000 cases and 10 deaths in Thailand everyone was wearing a mask, social distancing, curfews, the whole 9; and fines and jail time for not obeying. Now there are 363,000 cases and have been over 2900 deaths. This has nothing to do with politics, religious beliefs, or none of that shit.As usual mr e spitting facts.

Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.

I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.

The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.

I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they’re told; following orders

I guess this is what you deal with in the third world, a lack of common sense.

Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with. As for me, no mask anywhere unless they tell me to in stores, lets get the ball rolling ;)

Villainy
07-16-21, 17:46
As usual mr e spitting facts.

Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now.

I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker.

The cdc (who have shown theyre buffoons, but thats the authority covid fanatics submit to) already said if you're vaccinated, no mask needed.

I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron. There is just a lack of critical thinking here, which would explain the constant dictatorships/lack of democracies over the past century in south america. The people here enjoy doing they they're told; following orders.Lovely, just lovely. How can the Colombian Ministry of Health require people to wear masks (tapabocas) and restrict social gatherings? Dear God, don't they know there are some fat, stupid Americans who came here for sex tourism and they don't want to be inconvenienced. What on earth were they thinking. Surely the selfish desires of some morons should take precedence over the health needs of the nation.

If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.

Lefeu
07-16-21, 18:27
As usual mr e spitting facts…I agree!. It seems like it has become his specialty lately.


…Honestly so tired hearing EL USO DE TAPABOCAS ES OBLIGATORIO all over Colombia, everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already…Sorry, not in Colombia, and many other countries. In fact, lack of vaccines is the case in most countries of interest to mongers.


…the whole world is maskless, yet the constant fear mongering and propaganda has colombians OBSESSED with tapabocas, social distance, etc. It's pretty god damn ridiculous right now…I wish that were the case. I was there last month for 2 weeks, in Poblado. Folks wore masks only when the cops were there, and the distancing? Non existing. In fact, a Colombian couple thought I was an idiot for trying to maintain distancing while in line to get coffee at a JV store. I ended up getting into an argument with them. I then realized that I was fully vaccinated and they were most likely not. So, I changed to a don't care attitude.


…I just want to go back to picking up non pros on the street without having to wonder what their mouth and nose look like which is pretty much a deal breaker… I agree it's a pain when it comes to picking up FLs. Luckily, I maintain sort of a harem there, and so far I am sticking to it.


…I ask the punk / hipsters here why theyre wearing a mask outside, they say because it's an order from the ministry of health. Yet at the same time they're protesting govt incompetence / corruption. Kind of an oxymoron… Not quite, IMO, it's even more important to wear masks when you have a corrupt and / or incompetent government.

John Clayton
07-16-21, 18:41
...everyone who needs to be vaccinated is already, the whole world is maskless...
Enough with the fanaticism this shit is over with...This shit is not over with. This shit will not be over with, no matter how much you wish it to be so, until the virus is crushed either by everyone getting the vaccine or the disease. 20% of Colombians are vaccinated. Masking is not about you or your dick, it's about preventing a public health emergency. The ICU's in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena are currently 92% full.

Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.

You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.

Paulie97
07-16-21, 19:29
Lovely, just lovely. How can the Colombian Ministry of Health require people to wear masks (tapabocas) and restrict social gatherings? Dear God, don't they know there are some fat, stupid Americans who came here for sex tourism and they don't want to be inconvenienced. What on earth were they thinking. Surely the selfish desires of some morons should take precedence over the health needs of the nation.

If you don't like what they do here then why don't you go to Africa. I'm sure there are some countries over there where you can get your fill of cheap pussy and they are too poor to wear masks or concern themselves with surviving past the current day. Seems like the perfect place for a selfish fuck.The degree of selfishness found among many mongers is mind boggling. It's all about them and their dicks.

JjBee62
07-16-21, 20:40
This shit is not over with. This shit will not be over with, no matter how much you wish it to be so, until the virus is crushed either by everyone getting the vaccine or the disease. 20% of Colombians are vaccinated. Masking is not about you or your dick, it's about preventing a public health emergency. The ICU's in Bogota, Medellin and Cartagena are currently 92% full.

Imagine this: you step out of your hotel in Bogota and are hit by a cab and have major head injuries. There are no ambulances; however, the cab driver takes you to the hospital, but there are no beds. You can't breathe on your own, but all the ventilators are being used by Covid patients. Sorry, you die.

You want to monger in Vietnam, sorry only 4% of people have been vaccinated. Kenya, 2%. There are probably three or four billion people on Earth who have not been vaccinated or who have not had the disease. If you want 'this shit to be over with' and to go back to normal where you can stroll past smiling prostitutes, then you should be lobbying your representative for more federal vaccine funding for all people on earth.Roughly 5 billion people are either unvaccinated or have not had Covid. Unfortunately, about 30% of the vaccinated people were vaccinated with the Sinovac vaccine which appears to have low effectiveness against the Delta variant. With Delta becoming a major source of infection, that puts about 5. 5 billion still at risk of infection.

For those who, for whatever silly reason, don't want to get vaccinated, go ahead and throw away your masks and go about business as usual. There's nothing to worry about.

Nothing except for the real possibility that Colombia is going to be reinstating the curfews in Bogota and Medellin since ICU space is again rapidly running out. Then there's that minor risk of getting Covid (even if you are vaccinated). It's really nothing to worry about at all. Sure, you might end up in an emergency room absolutely certain you're about to die (not to mention some large medical bills). Sure, you might end up spending an extra $1500 because you got stuck in quarantine. Sure you might be almost completely unable to fuck for 3 weeks, because you can just barely breathe enough to keep from passing out. You might even end up stinking because you can't stand up long enough to take a shower. You probably don't want to hear about the bad parts.

I'm here to assure you that's all nothing compared to having a sore arm twice, for almost 8 hours each time, and having to put an almost weightless piece of paper over your face.

So, when the 6 pm curfews come back and when the doctor tells you that you don't need to go to the hospital, because you're doing fine (although it's because they have no place to put you at the hospital), you can take a deep breath and enjoy your stay. Well, you can't really take a deep breath. You can try, get really dizzy, start coughing which triggers your gag reflex and you spend 2 minutes gasping and gagging and trying desperately not to pass out. Which is kinda fun in a "if I puke there's nobody who will come and clean it up, and if I pass out, eventually someone will find me face down in my own vomit" way.

MarquisdeSade1
07-16-21, 21:08
Feel free to opine.

https://www.vulture.com/2021/07/olivia-rodrigo-visit-the-white-house.html

GeneHickman
07-16-21, 23:12
Once again, flat out wrong. I do not support the vaccine bcos I think it is immoral to murder innocent beings in the experiments conducted to research, develop and test pharmaceutical products. I have stated that several times. I do not know why it will not sink in to your thick head. Sentient beings are raped, enslaved and encaged, their babies stolen from them, mutilated, tortured and murdered. Why? So that another sentient being can live? If you are not willing to sacrifice urself or your own loved ones for such a cause, you have no moral right to force others to do it. That is why it is immoral to me. So very far from your ridiculous assumptions.Once again, you prove there is no way to argue with stupidity.

Humans are not harmed in thousands as you say in the development, trials or mass vaccination campaigns. Phase 1,2 and 3 trials have clearly written protocols and trials have to go through IRB approvals. It's a scaled up roll out so as to minimize human risk.

These vaccines have so far proven much safer and more highly effective than any of us could have hoped for a year ago. Yet you throw out these baseless opinions as facts without citing any basis whatsoever and flat out make up shit for why you won't vaccinate. If you won't at least grow a pair and say you just won't.

JustTK
07-17-21, 00:53
Once again, you prove there is no way to argue with stupidity.
Humans are not harmed in thousands as you say in the development, trials or mass vaccination campaigns.
These vaccines have so far proven much safer and more highly effective than any of us could have hoped for a year ago. Yet you throw out these baseless opinions as facts without citing any basis whatsoever and flat out make up shit for why you won't vaccinate. If you won't at least grow a pair and say you just won't.Another one that throws out insults without taking the time to read or understand what was written. What is it with you guys, did you throw out all your common sense when you started chasing women? As others have said earlier today, too many of you can only think with your dicks.

I never said that humans are harmed in the development of vaccines. I said sentient beings. I care about sentience. The ability to suffer. I don't care how intelligent you are, or how hairy you are, what colour you are, or how many legs you have. If you can experience pleasure and suffering, then you share what is important and have inherent value.

"Other animals, which, on account of their interests having been neglected by the insensibility of the ancient jurists, stand degraded into the class of things. . The day has been, I grieve it to say in many places it is not yet past, in which the greater part of the species, under the denomination of slaves, have been treated. Upon the same footing as. Animals are still. The day may come, when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. The French have already discovered that the blackness of skin is no reason why a human being should be abandoned without redress to the caprice of a tormentor. It may come one day to be recognized, that the number of legs, the villosity of the skin, or the termination of the os sacrum, are reasons equally insufficient for abandoning a sensitive being to the same fate. What else is it that should trace the insuperable line? Is it the faculty of reason, or perhaps, the faculty for discourse?. The question is not, Can they reason? Nor, Can they talk? But, Can they suffer? Why should the law refuse its protection to any sensitive being?. The time will come when humanity will extend its mantle over everything which breathes. ".

Jeremy Bentham.

Nounce
07-18-21, 03:35
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please not respond to a long report by re-posting the whole report because it is redundant and takes up space to where people are having to scroll lot to get past responses.
...Or please reply with proportional amount to the text being quoted.

Osteoknot
07-18-21, 03:53
I got back from 2 weeks trip in Colombia. One of these weeks I spend in Medellin, 5 days in Bogota, 3 in Cartagena. Here are my random thoughts, reports and tips.

I read the forum and met a lot of advices about cheap girls in Centro and places like that. People were interested about cheap price rather then good quality. Well, I visited Centro but honestly it was very very low quality, the atmosphere in that kind of area is pretty awful and I'm thinking that you have to be really desperate to come to Centro for girls. Or a 50+ old gringo without a social media account.You took it a little far when you suggest people ignore or forget about the advice of veterans here. I have never been anywhere in the world which includes all the continents, that has the variety of mongering options, styles and prices, as Medellin. Anyone can develop their own hybrid model of what works for them.

You gave some great advice for like minded and situated warriors as yourself. I am sure there are more than a few here. We all bring different backgrounds, biases and economics to the game. You sound just like a young buck with some success in life, should sound, and that is cool. I would have to agree there is a bias here from broke-ass old guys, but they probably offer more broad useful info to the readership, than you or I. No one here should view their methods or the self as better than anyone else's. Just different, and then we can all borrow or steal from each other, jajaj Ostee Out.

Nounce
07-18-21, 07:13
You sound just like a young buck with some success in life, should sound, and that is cool. I would have to agree there is a bias here from broke-ass old guys, but they probably offer more broad useful info to the readership, than you or I. Do you really mean that? Who are these old guys. I am pretty sure it is not Surfer who probably is wealthier than most. I have met some living in Colombia who are poor but they are not old.

Osteoknot
07-18-21, 17:01
Do you really mean that? Who are these old guys. I am pretty sure it is not Surfer who probably is wealthier than most. I have met some living in Colombia who are poor but they are not old.He is retired, out of shape, has too much ear hair, knows ten word of Spanish at most, doesn't floss, rude, and wouldn't know a female orgasm if it bit him on the tongue, jajjaja.

I read somewhere (unverified) that the vast majority of Gringos who expatriate to Colombia do so on the value of their social security check alone. If we assume one of the reasons Americans choose to live here is decent quality of life at a half or less the cost of living, then that would support my point, too. But a guy could have ten million in assets and still only use his social security for immigration visa purposes. And I think most guys here are short term visitors to Colombia, not trying to relocate or establish Colombian residency. No one knows the demographic on this board, so yes, I was being flippant.

But the original poster did mention that he also felt a bias in the direction I listed. And another poster after him said the same thing. And I get the felling from here, too. This is a classic of perception if truth, but we all perceive things differently, too. I have no prejudice against people based on income or age. I am prejudiced against assholes.

Bottom Line, no one really knows what the demographic is here. Thanks for the feedback. You made me stop and think.

GeneHickman
07-19-21, 02:28
He is retired, out of shape, has too much ear hair, knows ten word of Spanish at most, doesn't floss, rude, and wouldn't know a female orgasm if it bit him on the tongue, jajjaja.
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Bottom Line, no one really knows what the demographic is here. Thanks for the feedback. You made me stop and think.There are many kinds of long term gringo visitors / residents that I think all have it pretty good. First are the nomadic work from anywhere online types. Mainly IT. Who get paid well, some by the hour even, and who can leverage their first world incomes with Colombian cost of living, and the second are the retired early and have enough to be classified as rich by Colombian standards if not by US standards. Say the 55 yr old that has amassed $1 M and wants to call it a day early. A very shaky position in the US but a very cushioned one in Colombia. You can even add to that the seasonal workers in the US who work around 6 months a year and make good money but then have 6 mths of down time. There are also fields that are always in demand and those guys just chose to work less and enjoy their money and lives rather than chase the wealth mirage.

Osteoknot
07-19-21, 04:08
There are many kinds of long term gringo visitors / residents that I think all have it pretty good. First are the nomadic work from anywhere online types. Mainly IT. Who get paid well, some by the hour even, and who can leverage their first world incomes with Colombian cost of living, and the second are the retired early and have enough to be classified as rich by Colombian standards if not by US standards. Say the 55 yr old that has amassed $1 M and wants to call it a day early. A very shaky position in the US but a very cushioned one in Colombia. You can even add to that the seasonal workers in the US who work around 6 months a year and make good money but then have 6 mths of down time. There are also fields that are always in demand and those guys just chose to work less and enjoy their money and lives rather than chase the wealth mirage.Mongering was conspicuously absent in your description. Is it fair to say we really don't know the demographic of the mongers on this Website? I would like to hear your opinion even if there's no data to back it up.

Side joke: Do you know what my definition of digital nomad is? Anyone who claims it, has a laptop, and is more than 50 miles from their home. Jajaja. I am sarcastically saying the bar is low.

MarquisdeSade1
07-19-21, 21:27
Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/technology/china-hacking-us.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Villainy
07-20-21, 01:25
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/technology/china-hacking-us.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepagehttps://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-v-china-the-final-verdict-20210701-p5860h.html

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 01:56
But the original poster did mention that he also felt a bias in the direction I listed. And another poster after him said the same thing. And I get the felling from here, too. This is a classic of perception if truth, but we all perceive things differently, too. I have no prejudice against people based on income or age.

Bottom Line, no one really knows what the demographic is here. .Because if you do that means it applies to you, and if it applies to even 1 monger in the world that means it must be true and applies to everyone he wants to apply it to.

So don't call bullshit with this fool!

You wrote way too much lame childish sophistry for just 1 post bro.

Please lay off the bath salts.

And take the pills the doctor gave you.

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 05:11
Once again, you prove there is no way to argue with stupidity.

Humans are not harmed in thousands as you say in the development, trials or mass vaccination campaigns. Phase 1,2 and 3 trials have clearly written protocols and trials have to go through IRB approvals. It's a scaled up roll out so as to minimize human risk.

These vaccines have so far proven much safer and more highly effective than any of us could have hoped for a year ago. Yet you throw out these baseless opinions as facts without citing any basis whatsoever and flat out make up shit for why you won't vaccinate. If you won't at least grow a pair and say you just won't.https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/buddycarter-kamalaharris-covid-vaccines/2021/07/19/id/1029169/

Nounce
07-20-21, 12:15
But the original poster did mention that he also felt a bias in the direction I listed. And another poster after him said the same thing. And I get the felling from here, too. That stereo type is not accurate. I think there was a similar conversation not long ago. Surfer has always said he likes them a little rough on the edges or something like that. I only use Surfer as an example because his age. Other Centro posters are actually not old unless you think thirty something is old. And really, the members who think they fuck 8, 9, and 10 in El Centro are the lucky ones. They are at an advantage in this debate because they get the same thing cheaper, in their head or mind, lol.

Anyone has a property in California can pretty much use rental income to finance living and mongering in Medellin. I guess Surfer has a property in California and we know he has one in El Poblado. He is not using either one for income and that tells you something. I can be wrong but it costs me nothing to be wrong, haha.

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 14:31
Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China.https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/07/20/world/covid-variant-vaccine-updates?type=styln-live-updates&label=coronavirus%20updates&index=0&action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 15:19
https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/us-v-china-the-final-verdict-20210701-p5860h.htmlLook you ass licking old turd, I won't bother laughing at your source, SMH?

But please move to that shithole China already I'm sure Colombia would be grateful!

Villainy
07-20-21, 16:07
Look you ass licking old turd, I won't bother laughing at your source, SMH?

But please move to that shithole China already I'm sure Colombia will be grateful!You're right junior. I forgot you aren't able to read anything over 10 words.

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 16:38
You're right junior. I forgot you aren't able to read anything over 10 words.Anyone that respects China is obviously a mental midget so stop projecting ass licker.

And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?

Smoothy
07-20-21, 17:05
Oh and I do have a lot of respect for China. They have made incredible progress over the last 40 years. I've been there. Have you? Don't lie because I can prove my having visited.I have spent quite a bit of time in China. Many fun times there with the Chinese ladies. Their skin feels different to me than any girls I have been with in the 60 or so other countries I have visited. Smooth and firm skin, love it. (their garlic breath I could do without, but their skin is fantastic).

The Chinese guys in the offices were fun to hang out with as well. They took me to different local karaokes and such over the years and other night spots where you don't really see any foreigners. Those were such great times. If you've never been to a naughty karaoke place in China for the locals, I highly recommend it. (Not like the old Passions karaoke at the great wall hotel in Beijing, that is too upscale. The down market ones are way more fun.).

I have many Chinese friends in China these days, and zero of them like their Government. But if they were ever attacked by any other country, they would all rally to defend their country to the death.

I "respect" China for their accomplishments, but I don't respect them for their Government's ethics, which are basically close to non existent.

The following video from today about China's cyber attacks and how the rest of the world needs to address that going forward is just the tip of the iceberg. China needs to be dealt with on so many other levels as well where they are basically acting criminally on the world stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya7WFsIsD9Q

John Clayton
07-20-21, 18:08
...And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?Maybe you meant "renounce"?

JustTK
07-20-21, 18:17
And really, the members who think they fuck 8, 9, and 10 in El Centro are the lucky ones. They are at an advantage in this debate because they get the same thing cheaper, in their head or mind, lol.
Haha, that is a pretty nice advantage of fancying the girls in Centro. Just remember, their grading scale is just as correct as anyone else's though! *smile*.

In fact, come to think about it, guys who fancy Centro girls would surely have a better time all round, surely? If you compare a guy that has a blast fking girls in Centro for 30-50 k every day, compared to a guy that feels frustrataed and disappointed unless he can find the "needle in the haystack" 1-5. 000.000 fantasy girl that blows his mind (and then he blows his wallet but she fails to blow his dick. And no one else cares bcos its only his assessment of her looks). Haha.

Villainy
07-20-21, 18:47
Anyone that respects China is obviously a mental midget so stop projecting ass licker.

And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?Homework assignment junior. Look up denounce (you meant renounce) look up respect (it isn't synonymous with like). Doesn't Chicago have any good public schools, kiddo??

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 18:59
Anyone that respects China is obviously a mental midget so stop projecting ass licker.

And just denounce your US citizenship already, or have you already?I wrote what I meant!

My spelling is pretty good even if I can't type 2 words per hour.

MarquisdeSade1
07-20-21, 20:22
Homework assignment junior. Look up denounce (you meant renounce) look up respect (it isn't synonymous with like). Doesn't Chicago have any good public schools, kiddo??I was shooting for a subtle double entendre, but I wouldn't expect a low IQ scumbag like you to catch it, but try to change the topic in any lame way you can desperately.

Grab at jajajaja.

Villainy
07-21-21, 00:07
I was shooting for a subtle double entendre, but I wouldn't expect a low IQ scumbag like you to catch it, but try to change the topic in any lame way you can desperately.

Grab at jajajaja.Hey Junior, you need to study up a little more (or lie a little less) nothing you said is remotely close to a 'double entendre' much less subtle.

Here, allow me to help you with a practical example: "You're missing class".

Now that could be taken two ways (double entendre). 1. You aren't attending your English class and you're woefully unprepared to discuss figures of speech with the majority of board members who are far better educated than you.

Or 2. Your attributes, whatever they are, don't include class.

MarquisdeSade1
07-21-21, 02:19
Hey Junior, you need to study up a little more (or lie a little less) nothing you said is remotely close to a 'double entendre' much less subtle.

Here, allow me to help you with a practical example: "You're missing class".

Now that could be taken two ways (double entendre). 1. You aren't attending your English class and you're woefully unprepared to discuss figures of speech with the majority of board members who are far better educated than you.

Or 2. Your attributes, whatever they are, don't include class.Lie lie lie and lie some more.

Deflect spin, lie some more etc etc.

No two ways about that.

Far better educated? Jajajaj I seriously doubt that, but even if that was possible.

That certainly doesn't make someone more intelligent I know some dumbasses that went to much better universities than myself.

That means nothing, the content of your comments and opinions, shows you are a low rent community college dropout.

Go ahead and prove me wrong show us your AA from asslickers CC of Cuba.

MarquisdeSade1
07-21-21, 02:55
Hey Junior, you need to study up a little more (or lie a little less) nothing you said is remotely close to a 'double entendre' much less subtle.

Here, allow me to help you with a practical example: "You're missing class".

Now that could be taken two ways (double entendre). 1. You aren't attending your English class and you're woefully unprepared to discuss figures of speech with the majority of board members who are far better educated than you.

Or 2. Your attributes, whatever they are, don't include class.Don't you want to publicly fluff Xi on the thread anymore and lick his anus clean for him?

Cmon? You can do it! I believe in you!

https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/20/morning-greatness-biden-admin-considers-china-sanctions-after-microsoft-hack/

Lets stay on topic, no more bullshit childish attempts to divert us from the topic at hand.

Don't puss out on him, he needs your tongue and mouth.

Villainy
07-21-21, 16:33
Don't you want to publicly fluff Xi on the thread anymore and lick his anus clean for him?

Cmon? You can do it! I believe in you!

https://amgreatness.com/2021/07/20/morning-greatness-biden-admin-considers-china-sanctions-after-microsoft-hack/

Lets stay on topic, no more bullshit childish attempts to divert us from the topic at hand.

Don't puss out on him, he needs your tongue and mouth.I understand. Let's move away from your inability to spell or use words correctly or your misuse of figures of speech. Usually a person's ideas are a reflection of his / her intelligence. The fact that you can't even use the English language correctly speaks volumes about the value of your opinions.

Why should I bother to debate or argue any position with a teenager who can't even express himself in English beyond a junior high level?

So here is a new term for you to ponder and absorb. It is called "confirmatin bias". Let me explain it for you. You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate. Whatever and you google the key terms to find articles that seemingly support your opinions. That isn't research, that isn't intelligent, that is called confirmation bias. Another mark of your immaturity is the need to use profanity and to describe people in pejorative terms.

That doesn't make you smart, it certainly doesn't add any substance to your opinions. All it shows is that your are a teenager without much education and you can't defend your opinions rationally so you need to resort to calling people names.

Other people have remarked on your immaturity in the main forum. It's not like I'm the only one who has pointed it out.

MarquisdeSade1
07-21-21, 19:39
I understand. Let's move away from your inability to spell or use words correctly or your misuse of figures of speech. Usually a person's ideas are a reflection of his / her intelligence. The fact that you can't even use the English language correctly speaks volumes about the value of your opinions.

Why should I bother to debate or argue any position with a teenager who can't even express himself in English beyond a junior high level?

So here is a new term for you to ponder and absorb. It is called "confirmatin bias". Let me explain it for you. You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate. Whatever and you google the key terms to find articles that seemingly support your opinions. That isn't research, that isn't intelligent, that is called confirmation bias. Another mark of your immaturity is the need to use profanity and to describe people in pejorative terms.

That doesn't make you smart, it certainly doesn't add any substance to your opinions. All it shows is that your are a teenager without much education and you can't defend your opinions rationally so you need to resort to calling people names.

Other people have remarked on your immaturity in the main forum. It's not like I'm the only one who has pointed it out.Learn how to spell you made in China POS!! "confirmatin bias"? WTF you defective made in China TURD.

Seriously you can't even spell a simple word? Is english your primary language? Try spell check, cmon comrade.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-xijingping-censorship/2021/07/06/id/1027703/

I used denounce (with deliberation) and you cannot try to twist the topic to anything but your beloved Xis butthole jajajajaaaaaaaaaaaa.

De·nounce.

/ theə712;nouns /.

Learn to pronounce.

Verb.

Publicly declare to be wrong or evil.

"the Assembly denounced the use of violence".

Similar:

Condemn.

Criticize.

Attack.

Censure.

Castigate.

Decry.

Revile.

Vilify.

Besmirch.

Discredit.

Damn.

Reject.

Proscribe.

Find fault with.

Cast aspersions on.

Malign.

Pour scorn on.

Rail against.

Inveigh against.

Fulminate against.

Declaim against.

Give something a bad press.

Run something down.

Slur.

Bad-mouth.

Knock.

Pan.

Slam.

Hammer.

Blast.

Hit out at.

Lay into.

Lace into.

Pull to pieces.

Pull apart.

Savage.

Maul.

Slate.

Slag off.

Have a go at.

Give some stick to.

Rate.

Slash.

Reprobate.

Vituperate.

Excoriate.

Arraign.

Objurgate.

Asperse.

Anathematize.

Animadvert on.

Denunciate.

Opposite:

Praise.

Inform against.

"some of his own priests denounced him to the King for heresy".

Similar:

Expose.

Betray.

Inform against.

Inform on.

Incriminate.

Implicate.

"You have opinions that are founded on nothing more than bias, prejudice, hate", really? Seriously? Is this the best the CCP can teach you to go with? Is this your best? Jajajajajajajaaaaaaaa.

Yeah that's it, the whole fucking world hates China, not because they are pure fucking evil.

But because of bias and prejudice against the yellow man, is that it? Or some other reasons for the bias and prejudice against your beloved CCP?