Stupid Shit in Kyiv [Archive] - Page 5

YummyPL

06-27-22, 19:59

Correct, were was this passion 10 years ago. Instead of leaving they should have stayed and fixed the corruption. If they would have done this they probably would, not be in this mess.10 years ago systematic corruption was all they ever knew. They were Russian aligned. They mostly got their information from Russian sources. They had not yet tasted true freedom or democracy. There were no real opportunities available.

Years ago (5?, 8? 10?), when some Ukrainian prostitute fucked you instead of you fucking her (him?), things were very different in Ukraine. Yes, there is still fairly high emigration now but nothing like you suggest (at least before February, 2022). But corruption has been on a very steady decline--maybe the sharpest corruption decline in the world. It is still too high, for sure. But they were going in the right direction.

You hate Ukraine because Ukraine fucked you. Not for any realities of what has been true there for the last 5 years. As Jmsuttr has written many times, your start out from a clearly anti-Ukrainian stance. Your hatred for Ukraine could not be more clear from your years of posting.

Funny, I have forgotten more about Ukraine then you will ever know. First, you never talk about the corruption and how the government was stealing from everyone, including there own poor people. Secondly, you never talk about how everyone has been fleeing from the country for well over 10 years. You never bring of this up, you just conveniently forgot about it.I can neither confirm nor deny whether you have truly "forgotten more about Ukraine than I will ever know. " But everything you have forgotten is very old and does not reflect the realities of what has been going on there for years. You don't know. You have done nothing but spew hatred toward Ukraine for years. You have no recent experience. You have no recent knowledge.

The two years I lived in Ukraine just before the war tells me a very different story. I might be a little surprised by the successes of the Ukrainian military. But I am not at all surprised by their passionate and dedicated fight. I am not at all surprised by the fight in the people. This is the reality I have seen for years while your have been puking hatred.

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.

DramaFree11

06-27-22, 21:32

10 years ago systematic corruption was all they ever knew. They were Russian aligned. They mostly got their information from Russian sources. They had not yet tasted true freedom or democracy. There were no real opportunities available.

Years ago (5?, 8? 10?), when some Ukrainian prostitute fucked you instead of you fucking her (him?), things were very different in Ukraine. Yes, there is still fairly high emigration now but nothing like you suggest (at least before February, 2022). But corruption has been on a very steady decline--maybe the sharpest corruption decline in the world. It is still too high, for sure. But they were going in the right direction.

You hate Ukraine because Ukraine fucked you. Not for any realities of what has been true there for the last 5 years. As Jmsuttr has written many times, your start out from a clearly anti-Ukrainian stance. Your hatred for Ukraine could not be more clear from your years of posting.

I can neither confirm nor deny whether you have truly "forgotten more about Ukraine than I will ever know. " But everything you have forgotten is very old and does not reflect the realities of what has been going on there for years. You don't know. You have done nothing but spew hatred toward Ukraine for years. You have no recent experience. You have no recent knowledge.

The two years I lived in Ukraine just before the war tells me a very different story. I might be a little surprised by the successes of the Ukrainian military. But I am not at all surprised by their passionate and dedicated fight. I am not at all surprised by the fight in the people. This is the reality I have seen for years while your have been puking hatred.

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.Hanging out in war zone, picking up chicks makes you one of the all time biggest losers. Wait I think you also hang out in Colombia.

I want the war to end, unlike you guys, before it destroy economies. Yes, Russia was actually functioning prior to Covid and Ukraine was a shit show, how you do not know this blows my mind.

YummyPL

06-28-22, 01:19

Hanging out in war zone, picking up chicks makes you one of the all time biggest losers. Wait I think you also hang out in Colombia.

I want the war to end, unlike you guys, before it destroy economies. Yes, Russia was actually functioning prior to Covid and Ukraine was a shit show, how you do not know this blows my mind.I departed Ukraine just before the war started. Meeting girls was always a side benefit for me in Ukraine. I care about the country. I have spent more than my fare share of time in war zones serving my country. You only care about your loser self.

Russia was "functioning" as despotic kleptocracy. Which suited you just fine because all you care about is yourself. Ukraine was making rapid advancements toward democracy and rule of law.

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.

DramaFree11

06-28-22, 01:26

I departed Ukraine just before the war started. I never said anything different.

Russia was "functioning" as despotic kleptocracy. Which suited you just fine because all you care about is yourself. Ukraine was making rapid advancements toward democracy and rule of law.

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.I have bad news for you, Ukraine is now losing and it is only going to get worse. They need a solution or a compromise quickly. The longer this goes on the worse it will get for Ukraine and the world's economy. Ukraine will end up with almost nothing, but that is what they do best lose. Bidden will be powerless shortly, so they better figure something out.

Paulie97

06-28-22, 09:13

Your favorite country is every bit as corrupt, has just as much emigration, and was far more violent internally, but you never seem to say anything there. While I report about my experiences in Ukraine, you report only good things in Mexico. I guess some prostitute hasn't yet fucked you so hard in Mexico. But I will not be surprised when it happens. And when it does, I suspect you will be spewing just as much hatred there.Drama Free likely has never set foot in Ukraine or Mexico. I mean seriously there's a reason why there's so little discussion about the smog infested Mexico City with their unshaven, hygienically challenged hookers. He claims to have been to one of the most popular destinations Medellin, Colombia and hated it, but nothing he described about the place was accurate or gave any indication that he'd been there. He disses Ukraine while ignoring Russian terrorism and their agency in starting the war. He also ignores the progress Ukraine has made toward democracy and with anti-corruption since breaking from Russia. He has no arguments, presents no evidence other than to repeat the same failed theses over and over.

Likely he's spent little time out of his mother's basement, isn't a monger, and operates here under a number of different user names. He reminds me of this twerp the Marquis de Sade who claims he has been to many countries. We asked for proof and he was caught posting 2012 vacation pics ripped from an American girls blog. ROFL In fact I'm surprised he hasn't found his way to this thread. About everyone else has, though he likely is here under a different name.

While I'm posting here's another for the Vlad sympathizer Elvis. He whines that his man Vlad is being "demonized" but he does a fine job of that all by himself. In fact terrorism / war crimes are straight from the Russo playbook. It's the way of the coward and how they wage war.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/28/ukraine-war-putin-will-be-held-responsible-for-shopping-centre-war-crime-say-g7-leaders

Kozerog

06-28-22, 12:46

I want the war to end with Russia withdrawing in defeat, incapable of re-emerging as an aggressive state, and paying massive reparations. The US and European economies will not collapse. Maybe you will not have money to pay your fat prostitutes, but the West will come out stronger, not weaker, with a Ukrainian victory. A Russian victory would mean a significantly weaker Western civilization.Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes. If you really care about Ukraine, you should be hoping to wake up and read that 100 K of Ukraine's finest and most experienced troops were suddenly slaughtered and thus Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate for peace. 100 K young men can be easily replaced in 18 years. Tactical nuclear war could destroy Ukraine permanently. Do not hope for Ukrainian victory, because it will be short-lived.

Note that US military doctrine has always proposed tactical nukes to stop NATO from being overrun. That's a moot point nowadays, because NATO can easily defend itself with conventional weapons, but the doctrine is still there. Tactical nukes are not "beyond the pale of civilized war", in other words. Neutron tactical nukes were specifically developed by the USA in the 1970's (if I recall correctly) to kill Warsaw pact troops flooding into West Germany without destroying too much West German infrastructure.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.

BTW my Ukrainian girlfriend here in Chisinau reads the news avidly everyday and volunteers comments to the effect that the Ukrainian government is filled with fanatics. She is from a village in Cherkasy oblast, as central Ukrainian ethnically as they come. I suspect there are many other Ukrainians like her, a silent minority which will eventually be a majority who are having doubts about this avoidable war (carry through with Minsk agreement), but are unable to even formulate much less express their doubts because of all the propaganda coming from Kyiv, to speak nothing of persecution of outspoken doubters. And no, I don't put ideas in her head. On the contrary, I try to avoid commenting around her, because the subject depresses me. Plus, as USA citizen, I'm ashamed of what the USA has cynically done to Ukraine.

PedroMorales

06-28-22, 12:59

Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.Ain't going to happen. The Anglo American influence is too big. That is why Western Europe will have to hunt them down. And BRI totally marginalize them.

Tiny Estonia can expect a 50% drop as it is so dependent on Belarus and Russia. All to keep the incontinent Biden in the White House and Hunter Biolabs in clover.

Paulie97

06-28-22, 13:43

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes.Russia has already lost by means of their isolation, economic devastation and pariah status on the world stage. At this point they can only worsen this position which will last generations. They also will not resort to nukes, tactical or otherwise as that means losing the few half-baked friends they have left.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy.This is more nonsense. One, the wars on terror needed to be fought. You'll notice we don't hear much out of Isis anymore, and these wars will continue. As to the US weakening, you can only wish. Russia's debacle / suicide has only served to strengthen the West. NATO has never been stronger with more worthy participants eager to participate. Yes the US is the leader of the free world and this shows no signs of weakening.

BTW my Ukrainian girlfriend here in Chisinau reads the news avidly everyday and volunteers comments to the effect that the Ukrainian government is filled with fanatics. She is from a village in Cherkasy oblast, as central Ukrainian ethnically as they come. I suspect there are many other Ukrainians like her, a silent minority which will eventually be a majority who are having doubts about this avoidable war (carry through with Minsk agreement), but are unable to even formulate much less express their doubts because of all the propaganda coming from Kyiv, to speak nothing of persecution of outspoken doubters. And no, I don't put ideas in her head. On the contrary, I try to avoid commenting around her, because the subject depresses me. Plus, as USA citizen, I'm ashamed of what the USA has cynically done to Ukraine.Anecdotes? You know these are worthless as evidence, right? So in other words because the Ukrainian hooker you know who you think is your girlfriend said this, while it conveniently buttresses your anti-US, Russia propping point, so it must be true right? No wrong as it's a fallacy.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Outside of Crimea and the Donbass Ukrainian love for democracy is very strong, as is so testified to by it's resolve and a will to fight. Traitors are relatively few and this is very unlikely to change. As to your shame as a US citizen, and so called "propaganda," seems you have a headful of lefty, Noam Chomsky esque, the US is responsible for all the evil in the world rubbish. We don't want you, but whine in an international hooker forum to your heart's content. You'll find some sympathetic ears. LOL.

Paulie97

06-28-22, 14:00

It's funny these arguments that keep coming, blaming NATO, and especially the US for the interest in democracy among Eastern Euro nations, and by extension for the war in Ukraine. The agencies of all these countries are completely ignored. Russia might have faired better if they had something to offer besides the kleptocratic, the dreary and drab, threats, and terrorist violence. Yet the fallacy persists, as if repeating it 1000's of times will make it true. A lot of countries enjoy freedom, due process and rule of law, is the name of that tune.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition

DramaFree11

06-28-22, 17:53

Russia cannot lose, in both senses of the word cannot: they cannot lose because they can escalate to ensure victory, and they cannot afford to lose because it would have serious geopolitical repercussions. By escalate, I mean tactical nukes. If you really care about Ukraine, you should be hoping to wake up and read that 100 K of Ukraine's finest and most experienced troops were suddenly slaughtered and thus Ukraine has no choice but to negotiate for peace. 100 K young men can be easily replaced in 18 years. Tactical nuclear war could destroy Ukraine permanently. Do not hope for Ukrainian victory, because it will be short-lived.

Note that US military doctrine has always proposed tactical nukes to stop NATO from being overrun. That's a moot point nowadays, because NATO can easily defend itself with conventional weapons, but the doctrine is still there. Tactical nukes are not "beyond the pale of civilized war", in other words. Neutron tactical nukes were specifically developed by the USA in the 1970's (if I recall correctly) to kill Warsaw pact troops flooding into West Germany without destroying too much West German infrastructure.

Western civilization will indeed be weakened after the inevitable Russian victory, though Russia will be weakened much more. This war, like the botched Iraq and Afghanistan wars previously, is part of the process of USA decline from elevated position circa 1990-2010 of undisputed worldwide military supremacy to more sustainable position of powerful but not all-powerful. Next step in this decline process will be rebellion by the western Europeans, as it sinks in how badly they are being affected economically by USA policy..Amazing post. The other issue Ukraine is facing the media and the government's will flip on them in a minute. Ukraine government has about 1-2 months to figure this out, or they are in deep shit. Public opinion will start shifting when the media starts reporting about all the corruption that is and was going on in Ukraine. Then the funds, support and weapons will dry up. The better start negotiating, or they will end up with almost nothing.

Golfinho

06-28-22, 22:20

Russia has already lost by means of their isolation, economic devastation and pariah status on the world stage.
As to the US weakening, you can only wish. Russia's debacle / suicide has only served to strengthen the West. NATO has never been stronger with more worthy participants eager to participate. Yes the US is the leader of the free world and this shows no signs of weakening. So in other words because the Ukrainian hooker you know who you think is your girlfriend.

Outside of Crimea and the Donbass Ukrainian love for democracy is very strong."Russia has already lost" You poor thing, you can only wish. To hear such stupendous ignorance from a character who purports to travel is understandable when he cannot imagine someone can have a Ukrainian girlfriend, she must be a hooker. Pure projection.

"Love of democracy"? Thanks for the laugh.

Golfinho

06-28-22, 22:50

Since there's been posted links to The Atlantic, a totemic rag that no one actually reads:

https://www.unz.com/jfreud/significance-of-empire-vs-alliance-jewish-controlled-us-empire-eu-puppets-in-conflict-with-alliance-of-sovereign-nations-esp-russia-china-iran/

Xpartan

06-29-22, 06:03

I will say it again, I can careless who wins. Oh yes. You'll certainly say it again. And again. And again.

One country actually was functioning and contributing. That is Russia, not UkraineContributing to what? Your gas pump?

Take away Putin and it is a great place. No shit? Take away Putin, and you get Andropov. Take away Andropov, you get Brezhnev. Take away Brezhnev, and you get Stalin. Take away Stalin, you get Lenin. Take away Lenin, and you get the generations of horrible homicidal czars. When was Russia this great livable place, this beautiful Utopia, I wonder.

Ukraine was a mess, filled with corruption. You guys refuse to recognize, just how corrupt Ukraine is and was. And Russia wasn't and isn't?

Ask the millions that fled over the last 10-15 years, because of the corruption. The reason they left is because they had almost zero chance for a normal life or even better life in Ukraine, they had no future, because of the greed and a terrible government. Ask yourself why everyone has been leaving the county, and this has been going on for over 10 years and has nothing to do with the war, but you ignore the obvious.Why go back 10-15 years? Over a million Russians have left after Putin started his criminal war.

I can careless what you think. This war is ruining economies and is going to cause major collateral damage.Yes, only according to you, the country that started this homicidal war is somehow blameless. For some reason it's the victim that receives the brunt of your fury. I wonder why.

Elvis 2008

06-30-22, 02:50

While I'm posting here's another for the Vlad sympathizer Elvis. He whines that his man Vlad is being "demonized" but he does a fine job of that all by himself. In fact terrorism / war crimes are straight from the Russo playbook. It's the way of the coward and how they wage war.Paulie, I feel the same way about Vlad as I do most leaders. I do not give a damn what they do unless it affects me.

Oil and natural gas prices did not go up because of Putin. They went up because NATO nations (supposedly) refused to buy Russian oil and natural gas. That stupid policy has led to Russia getting richer and Western nations getting poorer. Saying you Dems are dumb is not offering support for Putin.

Pointing out that your saying Putin is an irrational monster committing horrible war crimes in one breath then saying how rational he will be with nuclear weapons is not support for Putin. Again, that is just showing how inconsistent and dumb you are.

The reason I and people like me are told we should care is that Putin attacked Ukraine and then he is going to go after our NATO allies and WW3 is around the corner is stupid too. That is always what the military industrial complex always sells us. They create a villain who is supposedly threatening our way of life and how we need to spend trillions to stop him. With Vietnam, it was called the domino theory.

So I look into that, and it turns out that Russia has been in a cold war over Ukraine since 2014 and now it is a hot war. It is a purely regional conflict. You have the former commies on one side and the Nazis on the other, and guys like you want us to commit to the Nazis.

So Paulie I am not the coward. I do not have a dog in the fight and want to stay out. But if you think this affects you, you need to quit being a coward and go volunteer and fight alongside the Nazis. Wars are not won just by guys shooting bullets.

Reiner Otto

06-30-22, 06:47

So I look into that, and it turns out that Russia has been in a cold war over Ukraine since 2014 and now it is a hot war. It is a purely regional conflict. You have the former commies on one side and the Nazis on the other, and guys like you want us to commit to the Nazis.
Interesting. How can you use "Nazis" for UA?

In RF, there is the Wagner-Group, and especially Alexander Geljewitsch Dugin, who is suspected to be one of Putlers influencers, from the far right, Nazi side.

https://www.karenina.de/wissen/geschichte/alexander-dugin-putins-ideengeber/

Reiner Otto

06-30-22, 06:49

PedroMorales

06-30-22, 14:20

Can you pelase go back to writing on Isaan toilet walls?

There is no such person called Putler.

Finland faces some of Russia key nuclear defences. Finland stands to be nuked in an eye blink. The fact that the freak in charge of Finland (the cute working girl raised by two lesbians) does not know that is tough shit. That she wants to working girl herself out to Uncle Sam is her look out.

As regards Snake Island, Russia, for their own reasons I do not divine (and you don't as you are a moron) is calling Ukraine's bluff regarding grain shipments.

Blockading Russia affects lots of folk who have nothing whatsoever to do with this conflict, bar being trading partners of Russia. That the Anglo Americans what to starve the Deep South to death is nothing new. It is what they do.

Publishing, not to have a problem with Finland entering NATO, which results in 1300 km more NATO-border, this indicates Putins retreat. Who used the possibility of Ukraine entering NATO as fake argument for war.

WyattEarp

06-30-22, 14:59

Publishing, not to have a problem with Finland entering NATO, which results in 1300 km more NATO-border, this indicates Putins retreat. Who used the possibility of Ukraine entering NATO as fake argument for war.Most everyone has had enough with people repeating bullshit explanations given for Putin's invasion of the Ukraine.

Putin has said the Ukraine and the Ukrainians belong to Russia. All you have to do is look at Belarus if you want to see what the Ukraine would look like if they stayed in Russia's orbit.

Elvis 2008

06-30-22, 15:21

Interesting. How can you use "Nazis" for UA?
Ukrainian Nazis are the ones who caused the Russian invasion.

Here you have NBC giving you half the story on the Nazis / Ukraine and Putin, https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946.

Just as disturbing, neo-Nazis are part of some of Ukraine's growing ranks of volunteer battalions. They are battle-hardened after waging some of the toughest street fighting against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine following Putin's Crimean invasion in 2014. One is the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine's national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the USA Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn't be used "to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion. " Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard.

This story makes it seems like American aid did not go to the Nazis, but it did seamlessly from 2014 to 2017, https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/.

House-passed spending bills for the past three years have included a ban on USA Aid to Ukraine from going to the Azov / Nazi Battalion, but the provision was stripped out before final passage each year. This year, though, the $1. 3 trillion omnibus spending bill signed into law last week stipulates that "none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov / Nazi Battalion. ".

Back to NBC, For sure, none of this disturbing context justifies the misery that has befallen Ukrainians over the past several weeks and it's unlikely that Putin was motivated by any of it when he launched his invasion.

That goes directly against what Putin himself said.

Back to the Hill Story, Last year, online posts by the militia's news service showed members testing USA -made grenade launchers at a firing range. The posts have since been deleted, and the Ukrainian National Guard insisted in a January statement that the grenade launchers were not in the Nazi / Azov's possession.

So let's backtrack a second. The Azov / Ukrainian Nazis and Ukrainians of Russian descent have been in a war in Eastern Ukraine since 2014. Russia got sick of how Russians were being treated by the Nazis and they went to war over this.

Zelensky was elected because the people wanted peace but he could not control this sect of his population. One of the issues I have is this crazy notion that USA weapons and CIA training did not make it to Ukrainian Nazis when obviously it did.

It makes me wonder if the reason Zelensky could not control the Nazis is because so much American money and weapons were funneled to them one way or another, but this just goes to show you there has been a war in Ukraine since 2014.

WyattEarp

06-30-22, 18:20

Finland faces some of Russia key nuclear defences. Finland stands to be nuked in an eye blink. The fact that the freak in charge of Finland (the cute working girl raised by two lesbians) does not know that is tough shit. That she wants to working girl herself out to Uncle Sam is her look out.Is it just me or does it seem misogynistic and dense to come to this forum and disparage a political leader as a working girl?

Golfinho

06-30-22, 19:45

All you have to do is look at Belarus if you want to see what the Ukraine would look like if they stayed in Russia's orbit.Were that everywhere was like Belarus. It's a great place to visit -- girls beautiful, natural and educated. You evidently prefer the Isaan princess and the likes of Pattaya and Angeles City which is fine by us.

PedroMorales

06-30-22, 23:03

Xpartan

07-01-22, 04:35

Ukrainian Nazis are the ones who caused the Russian invasion.

it's unlikely that Putin was motivated by any of it when he launched his invasion.

Russia got sick of how Russians were being treated by the Nazis and they went to war over this.Leave the building, Elvis. It's really about time.

Tumeric1

07-01-22, 08:50

A little Yiddish ditty for Zelensky and the other scum whose time is running out. God help the Ukrainian morons dying for the Penis Pianist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2TQ2ehSsKs&ab_channel=OlgaMieleszczuk.It is clear that nobody is paying any attention to the garbage you are spewing in this forum. I think I also came very close to correctly profiling you as an old, small-dicked.

Here are a couple of additional guesses about you:

Not college educated, physically ugly, around 5 ft tall, probably made some little money running a porno video store in some small town /3rd world country, not loving anyone and not loved by anyone (deservingly), bitter and not having much to do.

Reiner Otto

07-01-22, 09:01

There is no such person called Putler.
An explanation for a non-educated troll like you: Putler is the nickname for the actual president of the RF. Who has a lot in common with Adolf Hitler:

Capturing neighbouring country because of support of own ethnic population (Sudetenland vs. Crimea and part of UA).

Intentional killing of non-military population.

Breaking existing agreements (Hitler-Stalin Pact / Budapest Memorandum).

Although the nickname Putler might be even considered a compliment: Hitlers army has been welcomed with flowers during annex of Sudetenland.

Putlers invaders have been welcomed with bullets.

PedroMorales

07-01-22, 11:05

An explanation for a non-educated troll like you: Putler is the nickname for the actual president of the RF. Who has a lot in common with Adolf Hitler: Putin's nickname is Platov. Fistfkers like you can't even be true or original.

Capturing neighbouring country because of support of own ethnic population (Sudetenland vs. Crimea and part of UA).Crimea is a part of Russia. Always was, always will be. Your comment about Sudetenland shows how little you know.

Intentional killing of non-military population.You are confusing Russia with the USA, Zelensky's Nazis and others.

Breaking existing agreements (Hitler-Stalin Pact / Budapest Memorandum).You forgot the Minsk Agreement and every other agreement the USA an the its cronies broke.

Although the nickname Putler might be even considered a compliment: Hitlers army has been welcomed with flowers during annex of Sudetenland.

Putlers invaders have been welcomed with bullets.Russia is not invading. It is liberating and, in Crimea in particular, those liberated, those not on NATO's bribes, are happy with that.

Back into your box now, moron.

Elvis 2008

07-01-22, 18:04

Leave the building, Elvis. It's really about time.Why? I have the same position as Israel. You are a Jew supporting Nazis killing the native Russians who set your people free from the German concentration camps. Your position is completely indefensible.

Elvis 2008

07-01-22, 18:24

Most everyone has had enough with people repeating bullshit explanations given for Putin's invasion of the Ukraine.The media has been saying that Putin engaged in an inhumane, unprovoked act of aggression. Inhumane and act of aggression I agree with. Unprovoked is bullshit. This is like a smaller kid kicking in a bigger one in the shin, and the bigger one punching the smaller one in the face. As long as there is denial of the provocation, there will continue to be war. I get your point that this is an inhumane war of aggression. Do you get mine that Putin was provoked? Choosing a side means you are cheering on war and death.

Putin has said the Ukraine and the Ukrainians belong to Russia. All you have to do is look at Belarus if you want to see what the Ukraine would look like if they stayed in Russia's orbit.I cannot find anywhere where Putin said that. As for Belarus, the people are living in peace and their GDP per capita is double that of Ukraine. https://georank.org/economy/belarus/ukraine.

The Western Press has been hooting about the Russian "invasion" of Crimea when in fact Crimea is mostly Russian nationals and they voted to secede. The Western media has decried this as Putin's devil work and again ignored the economics.

https://georank.org/economy/russia/ukraine

Look at GDP per capita. It is 4 X higher. Then look at debt to GDP. Ukraine has 4 X the debt Russia does. Crimea voting to secede from Ukraine was not Putin's devil work but a rational choice by the people who lived there.

Argo1990

07-02-22, 02:20

DramaFree11

07-02-22, 02:20

The media has been saying that Putin engaged in an inhumane, unprovoked act of aggression. Inhumane and act of aggression I agree with. Unprovoked is bullshit. This is like a smaller kid kicking in a bigger one in the shin, and the bigger one punching the smaller one in the face. As long as there is denial of the provocation, there will continue to be war. I get your point that this is an inhumane war of aggression. Do you get mine that Putin was provoked? Choosing a side means you are cheering on war and death.

I cannot find anywhere where Putin said that. As for Belarus, the people are living in peace and their GDP per capita is double that of Ukraine. https://georank.org/economy/belarus/ukraine.

The Western Press has been hooting about the Russian "invasion" of Crimea when in fact Crimea is mostly Russian nationals and they voted to secede. The Western media has decried this as Putin's devil work and again ignored the economics.

https://georank.org/economy/russia/ukraine

Look at GDP per capita. It is 4 X higher. Then look at debt to GDP. Ukraine has 4 X the debt Russia does. Crimea voting to secede from Ukraine was not Putin's devil work but a rational choice by the people who lived there.I give the liberal Media, 1-2 months, and they will turn on Ukraine Government. They will bring up the corruption and start asking questions. Also, they will questioning why there is almost zero negotiations going on to end this war. This will be the end of the Ukraine government.

Nobody cares about the war in the states anymore, so the liberal media will need to find another way to bring attention to this ridiculous war. Either way Ukraine Government, needs to find a solution quickly, before governments and the media starts asking questions.

DramaFree11

07-02-22, 02:23

To get back to the topic (which is the search for ukrainian pussy) there has been a massive resurgance of telegram channels where ukrainian girls offer their services. Selling vkdeos, photos and their bodies.

Once things calm down I will definitely be planning to visit Kiev again as that is pretty much the only place where one can enjoy hot young eastern europeans on a reasonable budget.You are insane, Kiev sucked before the war, it will be even worse now. If you want Hot Ukraine Girls go to Europe, they are long gone, but some guys refuse to admit this.

Xpartan

07-02-22, 05:50

Why? I have the same position as Israel.No, you don't. You don't have a position at all. You can't write a post without contradicting yourself several times. That's not a position, that's an affliction.

You are a Jew supporting NazisNo, I'm a Jew supporting an underdog who fights against an unprovoked aggression from a way more powerful and openly fascist regime. Comes naturally to me.

Russians who set your people free from the German concentration camps. Your position is completely indefensible.Russians liberated Nazis camps in the course of their own fight against Hitler. Not due to their immense sympathy for the plight of my people. And they've been milking it for every drop of the propagandist value ever since.

You wait. In just a few years no one will remember that Russia defeated the Nazis. Everyone will remember Russia only for this despicable war.

Xpartan

07-02-22, 06:07

The media has been saying that Putin engaged in an inhumane, unprovoked act of aggression. Inhumane and act of aggression I agree with. Unprovoked is bullshit. This is like a smaller kid kicking in a bigger one in the shin, and the bigger one punching the smaller one in the face. As long as there is denial of the provocation, there will continue to be war. I get your point that this is an inhumane war of aggression. Do you get mine that Putin was provoked? Choosing a side means you are cheering on war and death.

I cannot find anywhere where Putin said that. As for Belarus, the people are living in peace and their GDP per capita is double that of Ukraine. https://georank.org/economy/belarus/ukraine.

The Western Press has been hooting about the Russian "invasion" of Crimea when in fact Crimea is mostly Russian nationals and they voted to secede. The Western media has decried this as Putin's devil work and again ignored the economics.

https://georank.org/economy/russia/ukraine

Look at GDP per capita. It is 4 X higher. Then look at debt to GDP. Ukraine has 4 X the debt Russia does. Crimea voting to secede from Ukraine was not Putin's devil work but a rational choice by the people who lived there.How the fuck was Putin provoked? He attacked Ukraine in 2014, unleashed horrors and death, started a hybrid war, stole its territory, and felt provoked because Ukraine kept fighting? Because Ukraine refused to back off?

So any big country can do anything it wants to a smaller and weaker country as long as its insane leader feels "provoked"?

Voted to secede? Under the occupation? So any occupying power in the world has the right to organize a sham referendum and take away a part of another country or only your beloved Russia?

What does a GDP or anything have to do with the bloody genocidal war that Putin is waging against its neighbor?

You people are something else.

PedroMorales

07-02-22, 09:15

I give the liberal Media, 1-2 months, and they will turn on Ukraine Government. They will bring up the corruption and start asking questions. The media do what it is told. Any independence they may have had fled years ago. The corruption of the Kiev criminals was covered before the war began but it is off the menu now.

Also, they will questioning why there is almost zero negotiations going on to end this war. This will be the end of the Ukraine government. I can answer that one for them. Boris Johnson's job is to stiffen resolve and get the gangster Zelensky to refuse talks. If any leader goes to Kiev to tell the fool to talk, Johnson is on the next plane saying Nyet.

Nobody cares about the war in the states anymore, so the liberal media will need to find another way to bring attention to this ridiculous war. Americans never cared about any war, except when they were filling body bags. The media only brings attention to what their bosses want us to know. The corrupt Zelensky junta is not one of those things.

Either way Ukraine Government, needs to find a solution quickly, before governments and the media starts asking questions.Government and media do not ask questions.

PedroMorales

07-02-22, 11:36

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62015954

Two more British mercenaries. Given what was done to Russian POWs (cutting off their fingers, mutilating their legs), I think we can all agree these British and American criminals deserve no mercy and that firing squads are too good for them.

PedroMorales

07-02-22, 12:50

So any big country can do anything it wants to a smaller and weaker country as long as its insane leader feels "provoked"?.No. Only Israel and the USA can do that.

The Cane

07-02-22, 13:39

How the fuck was Putin provoked? He attacked Ukraine in 2014, unleashed horrors and death, started a hybrid war, stole its territory, and felt provoked because Ukraine kept fighting? Because Ukraine refused to back off?

So any big country can do anything it wants to a smaller and weaker country as long as its insane leader feels "provoked"?

Voted to secede? Under the occupation? So any occupying power in the world has the right to organize a sham referendum and take away a part of another country or only your beloved Russia?

What does a GDP or anything have to do with the bloody genocidal war that Putin is waging against its neighbor?

You people are something else.A despot is always provoked by anyone who would choose freedom and self-determination over the tyrant's tyranny. It's not even worth it to respond to these people. They're only here to provoke themselves!

DramaFree11

07-02-22, 16:38

The media do what it is told. Any independence they may have had fled years ago. The corruption of the Kiev criminals was covered before the war began but it is off the menu now.

I can answer that one for them. Boris Johnson's job is to stiffen resolve and get the gangster Zelensky to refuse talks. If any leader goes to Kiev to tell the fool to talk, Johnson is on the next plane saying Nyet.

Americans never cared about any war, except when they were filling body bags. The media only brings attention to what their bosses want us to know. The corrupt Zelensky junta is not one of those things.

Government and media do not ask questions.Biden will be powerless fairly quickly and I imagine Johnson is not far behind. Yes, the liberal media does what they are told.

They will turn on Z. Mark my words, probably sooner then later.

Paulie97

07-02-22, 17:02

A despot is always provoked by anyone who would choose freedom and self-determination over the tyrant's tyranny. It's not even worth it to respond to these people. They're only here to provoke themselves!Beautifully stated.

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 23:20

How the fuck was Putin provoked? He attacked Ukraine in 2014, unleashed horrors and death, started a hybrid war, stole its territory, and felt provoked because Ukraine kept fighting? Because Ukraine refused to back off?

So any big country can do anything it wants to a smaller and weaker country as long as its insane leader feels "provoked"?
OMG. Where have you been? CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. Do you not remember "Yats is our guy" and "Fuck the EU"? Ukraine is not all sweet, little, and innocent. Since 2014, they have been trying to partner up with a bigger bully, us. Because you are a Dem, you think Ukrainegate and Russiagate were no big deal, but I guarantee they were to Russia. Giving aid to Ukrainian Nazis to harass and kill Russian nationals in Eastern Ukraine? Saying Putin rigged the 2016 election? Russian bots? The CIA and military advisers training Ukrainian soldiers? Ukraine Joining NATO? Shutting off water to Crimea? Investigating Peegate? The whole Steele Dossier?

Do you have anything that works between your ears?

John Clayton

07-03-22, 04:10

OMG. Where have you been? CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. Do you not remember "Yats is our guy" and "Fuck the EU"? Ukraine is not all sweet, little, and innocent. Since 2014, they have been trying to partner up with a bigger bully, us. Because you are a Dem, you think Ukrainegate and Russiagate were no big deal, but I guarantee they were to Russia. Giving aid to Ukrainian Nazis to harass and kill Russian nationals in Eastern Ukraine? Saying Putin rigged the 2016 election? Russian bots? The CIA and military advisers training Ukrainian soldiers? Ukraine Joining NATO? Shutting off water to Crimea? Investigating Peegate? The whole Steele Dossier?

Do you have anything that works between your ears?It's impossible to recognize when you're in a cult. Do you have loving parents or family who can intervene and take you someplace safe for gradual deprogramming?

Travv

07-03-22, 04:42

Don't confuse us with the facts! Just because the USA almost went into a nuclear war over the USSR stationing nuclear missiles in Cuba near US territory during the Cuban missile crisis is no reason for Putin to almost go into a nuclear war over Ukraine joining NATO and Ukraine being used for stationing nuclear missiles and bioweapons labs near Russian territory! As we all know, the sovereignty of borders of nations is inviolate and Russia under no circumstances had the right to do a special military operation in Ukraine even though the US did several special military operations in places like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan etc. The key to understanding the correct move for yourself is to think like a Ukrainian politician and avoid being brainwashed by the mindless CNN propaganda. The real issues are how do I avoid getting stuck fighting in a war based on lies and get the most US foreign aid money for myself to smuggle into Switzerland? Think Petro Petroshenko, the former Ukrainian president got caught trying to escape to Poland after leaving the combat area. . . LOL.

OMG. Where have you been? CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. Do you not remember "Yats is our guy" and "Fuck the EU"? Ukraine is not all sweet, little, and innocent. Since 2014, they have been trying to partner up with a bigger bully, us. Because you are a Dem, you think Ukrainegate and Russiagate were no big deal, but I guarantee they were to Russia. Giving aid to Ukrainian Nazis to harass and kill Russian nationals in Eastern Ukraine? Saying Putin rigged the 2016 election? Russian bots? The CIA and military advisers training Ukrainian soldiers? Ukraine Joining NATO? Shutting off water to Crimea? Investigating Peegate? The whole Steele Dossier?

Do you have anything that works between your ears?

Xpartan

07-03-22, 05:06

OMG. Where have you been? CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. Oh? Please tell me more how "CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. " I'm really interested how you're going to back up this BS.

Do you not remember "Yats is our guy" and "Fuck the EU"? No, I do not. Please elaborate (and oh yeah, back this up too).

Ukraine is not all sweet, little, and innocent. Since 2014, they have been trying to partner up with a bigger bully, us. No it's not sweet and innocent. Hence what -- bomb away?

Because you are a Dem, I'm not a 'Dem' but please don't let this little detail slow you down.

you think Ukrainegate and Russiagate were no big deal. As in Ukrainegate being Trump's attempt to pressure Ukraine into digging up dirt on his political rival? The one that led to his impeachment?

As in Russiagate being Putin's successful bid to install his puppet into the WH in 2016?

Gee, I don't know why you'd think so. They were a 'big deal" indeed.

Giving aid to Ukrainian Nazis to harass and kill Russian nationals in Eastern Ukraine? Saying Putin rigged the 2016 election? Russian bots? The CIA and military advisers training Ukrainian soldiers? Ukraine Joining NATO? Shutting off water to Crimea? Investigating Peegate? The whole Steele Dossier?Now you're lumping together all your bullshit datapoints, and it's getting illegible. Not the first time you've developed complete incoherence by the end of your post. Hey, here's a simple solution. Brevity.

Do you have anything that works between your ears?Yes I do.

You?

Wait, don't bother.

Xpartan

07-03-22, 05:08

Beautifully stated.Totally agreed!

PedroMorales

07-03-22, 07:57

XPartan is an Israeli shill. They are hired by Mossad to jam up online discussions worldwide. He proves this by showing total ignorance of the facts you outlined and asking you to reply to his undiluted nonsense. The pig has nothing to contribute.

There have been major developments overnight but this pig's job is to keep everyone in the dark.

If you fancy banging the widows of Azov fighters, rooms are to be had in Kiev on booking.com.

Anyway, happy 4 July to those captured American mercenaries. Enjoy your apple pie before you die.

Oh? Please tell me more how "CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. " I'm really interested how you're going to back up this BS.
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Elvis 2008

07-03-22, 08:11

Oh? Please tell me more how "CIA took out a Democratically elected leader in Ukraine in 2014. " I'm really interested how you're going to back up this BS.

No, I do not. Please elaborate (and oh yeah, back this up too).Nah, I just made it up.

Honestly, I do not want to overload you. You and John Clayton are trapped in the cult of the Democratic party. The facts and marching orders can be confusing. Hell, John still believes in Russiagate and peegate. John, do you have a mother who can tell you what is real and make believe? Do you cry yourself to sleep saying, "I know Russiagate is real, mommy, I know it. ".

Now you're lumping together all your bullshit datapoints, and it's getting illegible. Not the first time you've developed complete incoherence by the end of your post.My bad, I should have treated you like the Neanderthal you are. Ever hear of Google? How long would it take to put Fuck the EU and Yats is our guy into a search engine? Or do you need your mommy to type it for you?

Elvis 2008

07-03-22, 08:21

Don't confuse us with the facts! The real issues are how do I avoid getting stuck fighting in a war based on lies and get the most US foreign aid money for myself to smuggle into Switzerland? Think Petro Petroshenko, the former Ukrainian president got caught trying to escape to Poland after leaving the combat area LOL.You need to put a / sarc at the end of this. That was fucking hilarious.

Only thing is Zelensky seems to prefer London to Switzerland. I cannot blame him. I think the hos are cheaper there. https://new-economy.gr/2022/03/13/zelensky-pandora/.

I got to say that Zelensky did buy himself a nice spread in London with all that aid money. Maybe we should give him another $40 billion.

Paulie97

07-03-22, 13:14

Our traitorous old aquaintance Elvis finally found the spot for his Putin rim jobbing fix, even though he's never been to Europe. Long live the free for all threads, and bring on the wingnut conspiracy theories. Wink.

Paulie97

07-03-22, 14:57

I'm not a 'Dem' but please don't let this little detail slow you down.Naturally he wants to turn it into a Dem / Repub thing while continuing to ignore the fact that only 11 Repub senators voted against the latest aid package to Ukraine. And he erects the usual straw man as no one is calling Ukraine "sweet and innocent. " The US isn't either with a freedom score of 83 out of 100. If "sweet and innocent" were the criteria then the US would have no allies, and no act of aggression could be challenged as no one is "innocent. " Eyeroll. The freedom score of Ukraine is at 60, about on par with Tucker Carlson's fav country Hungary. Ukraine has made a lot of progress in the last eight years, and especially since breaking from their former Russian puppet government. Russia by contrast gets a score of 20 and their pals Belarus, 5. But probably the greatest demonstration of a love for freedom in Ukraine is seen on the battlefield, against genocidal terrorists, while traitors like Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, and their sheep in online discussion forums blow Putin to completion. True conservatives of old like Reagan are turning in their graves.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores

DramaFree11

07-03-22, 16:00

You need to put a / sarc at the end of this. That was fucking hilarious.

Only thing is Zelensky seems to prefer London to Switzerland. I cannot blame him. I think the hos are cheaper there. https://new-economy.gr/2022/03/13/zelensky-pandora/.

I got to say that Zelensky did buy himself a nice spread in London with all that aid money. Maybe we should give him another $40 billion.Again, something these idiots forgot to talk about. Most of the government in Ukraine were rarely in country, living abroad. They were out spending the civilian money in other countries, instead of fixing Ukraine.

The first thing that should be done is audit of all the government officials accounts, then you will see how corrupt these guys are.

If you want to defeat Putin produce massive amounts of Oil and keep sanctioning on him. Until you liberals do this, he will just wait you out and at the end win. In the end the losers will be the Ukraine and Russia people. Hopefully the rest of the world will wake up and sometimes there is.

A loser in life, not everybody can win. Ukraine will lose, know one is coming to bail them out. The weapons and money will not be enough.

Putin is horrible guy and obviously he does not care about the lose of human life to accomplish his goals. Ukraine government is definitely partially to blame and they continue to do nothing to diffuse the war. They have to find a solution or they will end up with next to nothing.

Golfinho

07-03-22, 20:13

Elvis 2008

07-03-22, 21:22

Again, something these idiots forgot to talk about. Most of the government in Ukraine were rarely in country, living abroad. They were out spending the civilian money in other countries, instead of fixing Ukraine.

The first thing that should be done is audit of all the government officials accounts, then you will see how corrupt these guys are.

If you want to defeat Putin produce massive amounts of Oil and keep sanctioning on him. Until you liberals do this, he will just wait you out and at the end win. In the end the losers will be the Ukraine and Russia people. Hopefully the rest of the world will wake up and sometimes there is.

A loser in life, not everybody can win. Ukraine will lose, know one is coming to bail them out. The weapons and money will not be enough.

Putin is horrible guy and obviously he does not care about the lose of human life to accomplish his goals. Ukraine government is definitely partially to blame and they continue to do nothing to diffuse the war. They have to find a solution or they will end up with next to nothing.I agree, and Putin has done things before this that were horrible. He stole Robert Kraft's rings, tried to rig the Olympics, and he just seems like he is a megalomaniac.

Still, I have to say that it was amazing watching him be interviewed for Russiagate and he had more faith in our electoral process that we do. He asked the reporter how he could change the minds of millions of Americans, and the reporter had no answer. Then the reporter handed Putin a written brief on Russiagate and Putin threw it away like you do in a trash can. The reporter asked Putin if he would read it and Putin rolled his eyes and said maybe later.

How does Putin trust anything we say after that? How does he not think we are a total bunch of morons? A huge chunk of Americans are so stupid they think Putin cost the Democrats the election. It was impossible that Hiliary ran a shit campaign.

And 2020 was even worse. That psychopath Hunter Biden leaves that laptop with some of the most vile shit on it imaginable at a repair store. This time instead of the FBI, it is the intelligence community calling it Russian disinformation. If Putin says that the Hunter Biden Russian disinformation story is bullshit, does Trump win? I think he probably would have. So in 2020, Putin could have altered the election but chose not to. His reward for all that was Biden beefing up military forces in Ukraine. I wonder if he is kicking himself for not calling bullshit on all those lies.

Thing about Victoria "Fuck the EU" and "Yats is our guy" Nyland is the Russians are probably the ones who caught her saying that. If so, there was a lot more, and they knew all about Obama and the Dems schemes for Ukraine and are seeing them now try to bring their plans to reality.

DF, You and I would love to see peace come to Ukraine, but peace has to be based on trust. Yeah, Putin is a bad guy, but would it be rational for him to trust anything we say now? I am not sure that is even possible.

Elvis 2008

07-03-22, 21:41

If you fancy banging the widows of Azov fighters, rooms are to be had in Kiev.
Nah, I heard they only do anal.

Funny thing about Ukraine and Venezuela. I went to Venezuela in 2007 and really did not see that many hotties but some of the Vennies I saw in Mexico and Colombia were among the hottest women I had ever seen.

Of the cities I went to in the USSR (yes it was a while ago), I thought St. Petersburg had the hottest women. There were some hotel hos back then that were 10's. But I went to Kev (that was how it was spelled then) and I liked the city, and I even swam in the Dnieper River pre-Chernobyl, but I saw nothing special there with the women.

Guys were going to Ukraine around 2000 to bang hotties and marry these women. They had those find-a-wife tours where dummies pay $2000 to do something they could do for half on their own. Anyway, guys were bragging about how hot these women were. I was like shocked because I saw nothing special. I heard Odessa was the best, and I had not gone there, It would have been a good time to go because of the strong dollar then but I passed. 85 cents bought one Euro then.

A year or so later though, I was at a buddy's wedding in Toronto, and we do the bachelor party in the strip clubs there, and I was super impressed. There were loads of beautiful blonde blue eyed gals with perfect figures who really could move, and the hottest ones were all from Ukraine.

I have never been to Poland and I am so, so curious what the pussy market is like there. I imagine it would be like being in Colombia at the peak of the Vennie invasion.

For all of us, that is probably what matters most about the war.

The Cane

07-04-22, 01:25

Nah, I heard they only do anal.Works for me! Aaahahaha!

Jojosun

07-04-22, 13:50

A very bumpy ride in the middle of summer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EGrpKPngkyQ

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/three-quarters-salary-going-fuel-24200645

Three quarters of my salary is going on fuel': The carer who says she can't afford to work.

She and other people who rely on transport to do their jobs have described how it's becoming very tough, almost impossible, to keep going.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/fuel-protest-petrol-prices-m4-b2115143.html

"Woman defends road fuel protest after losing her job to high petrol prices".

I bet she and others won't be Happy when she reads Pandora's papers on High End Apartments in London purchased with suspect money by Certain Ukrainians.

Empathy doesn't last forever.

WyattEarp

07-04-22, 15:15

And he erects the usual straw man as no one is calling Ukraine "sweet and innocent. " The US isn't either with a freedom score of 83 out of 100. If "sweet and innocent" were the criteria then the US would have no allies, and no act of aggression could be challenged as no one is "innocent."I mentioned before that the development of successful democracies hasn't been linear. If you look at the development of South Korea and Taiwan, you would find that they had large corruption and did not fully embrace democracy in their infancy. Democracy was an evolution. Much to the chagrin of the West, there's no magic democracy dust you can sprinkle on reborn nations.

You can add some other democratic countries to that list. Brazil, Chile and a few other emerging democracies in South America. Southeast Asia has had some fits and starts as well.

Paulie97

07-04-22, 16:09

I mentioned before that the development of successful democracies hasn't been linear. If you look at the development of South Korea and Taiwan, you would find that they had large corruption and did not fully embrace democracy in their infancy. Democracy was an evolution. Much to the chagrin of the West, there's no magic democracy dust you can sprinkle on reborn nations.

You can add some other democratic countries to that list. Brazil, Chile and a few other emerging democracies in South America. Southeast Asia has had some fits and starts as well.That's all true and logical. The poster in question though, Elvis isn't able to debate the content but erects straw men and knocks them down or ignores rebuttals altogether and repeats the same fallacious arguments and unproven, unsourced conspiracies over and over, all with plenty of filibustering in between. He finally found his way here. You guys enjoy him. LOL.

Jojosun

07-04-22, 17:02

Only thing is Zelensky seems to prefer London to Switzerland. I cannot blame him. I think the hos are cheaper there. https://new-economy.gr/2022/03/13/zelensky-pandora/.

I got to say that Zelensky did buy himself a nice spread in London with all that aid money. Maybe we should give him another $40 billion.It's not the WGs they are after, They are after Prime London Real Estate, Better than anywhere else.

Keeping it close as well "Around the time of his 2019 election, Zelensky handed his shares in a key offshore company over to Shefir, but the two appear to have made an arrangement for Zelensky's family to continue receiving money from the offshore".

Zelensky's current chief aide, Serhiy Shefir, as well as the head of the country's Security Service, were part of the offshore network".

Servants Of The People! https://www.jta.org/2021/09/23/global/jewish-aide-to-ukraines-president-survives-assassination-attempt.

Several shots were fired at the car of Sergey Nachmanovich Shefir, a former television producer whom Zelensky appointed as his top aide.

Riina

07-04-22, 18:33

DramaFree11

07-04-22, 20:14

That's all true and logical. The poster in question though, Elvis isn't able to debate the content but erects straw men and knocks them down or ignores rebuttals altogether and repeats the same fallacious arguments and unproven, unsourced conspiracies over and over, all with plenty of filibustering in between. He finally found his way here. You guys enjoy him. LOL.Paulie, I think you are incorrect. Your reports are once's that are inaccurate and ridiculous.

The Cane

07-04-22, 23:25

Ukrainians are crooks. Nobody wants to do business with them. Have any of you intellectuals actually engaged in business with Ukrainians where broken trust could lead to real financial damage. I'll guess no. It's basically Africa there.If Ukrainians are crooks, then the Russian invasion of their country (excuse me special military operation) proves the veracity of the old adage that there is no honor among thieves.

DramaFree11

07-05-22, 00:55

Ukrainians are crooks. Nobody wants to do business with them. Have any of you intellectuals actually engaged in business with Ukrainians where broken trust could lead to real financial damage. I'll guess no. It's basically Africa there.Yes. The government is a bunch of Crooks and you know this. You can pretend not to know the truth, but you do.

Xpartan

07-05-22, 06:05

Nah, I just made it up.

Honestly, I do not want to overload you. You and John Clayton are trapped in the cult of the Democratic party. The facts and marching orders can be confusing. Hell, John still believes in Russiagate and peegate. John, do you have a mother who can tell you what is real and make believe? Do you cry yourself to sleep saying, "I know Russiagate is real, mommy, I know it. ".

My bad, I should have treated you like the Neanderthal you are. Ever hear of Google? How long would it take to put Fuck the EU and Yats is our guy into a search engine? Or do you need your mommy to type it for you?You've failed to address all my points. Again. Whatever you're trying to do here doesn't work. It's actually quite pathetic.

Xpartan

07-05-22, 06:17

Naturally he wants to turn it into a Dem / Repub thing while continuing to ignore the fact that only 11 Repub senators voted against the latest aid package to Ukraine. And he erects the usual straw man as no one is calling Ukraine "sweet and innocent. " The US isn't either with a freedom score of 83 out of 100. If "sweet and innocent" were the criteria then the US would have no allies, and no act of aggression could be challenged as no one is "innocent. " Eyeroll. The freedom score of Ukraine is at 60, about on par with Tucker Carlson's fav country Hungary. Ukraine has made a lot of progress in the last eight years, and especially since breaking from their former Russian puppet government. Russia by contrast gets a score of 20 and their pals Belarus, 5. But probably the greatest demonstration of a love for freedom in Ukraine is seen on the battlefield, against genocidal terrorists, while traitors like Alex Jones, Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, and their sheep in online discussion forums blow Putin to completion. True conservatives of old like Reagan are turning in their graves.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scoresSome of these people are definitely paid Russian shills. Which can give you an idea of how stupid Russian goebbels-masters must be, paying actual money for spreading disinformation on a MONGERING forum, for Christ's sake!

But not all of them. Elvis, for example, has always been nuts, running BS posts about AIDS and posting 20-year old magazine articles to support his insane views. The latest events have given him and nutheads like him a chance to find each other and hide behind conservative politics. No lie is too big for these people, as long as it serves the common goal.

Xpartan

07-05-22, 06:25

Ukrainians are crooks. Nobody wants to do business with them. Have any of you intellectuals actually engaged in business with Ukrainians where broken trust could lead to real financial damage. I'll guess no. It's basically Africa there.Apparently, the world would rather do business with them than Putin's Crime Cartel. But go ahead, Russia is still open. What's holding you?

PedroMorales

07-05-22, 09:16

Apparently, the world would rather do business with them than Putin's Crime Cartel. But go ahead, Russia is still open. What's holding you?Russian exports are booming you fool. Ukraine is kept afloat by massive EU subventions. After the mass shooting in Chicago, you'd think you would STFU for at least one day and contemplate the criminality you bring on the streets of Jerusalem, Hebron and Chicago. But no.

Elvis 2008

07-05-22, 15:21

Paulie, I think you are incorrect. Your reports are once's that are inaccurate and ridiculous.DF, while you and I were taking advantage of Covid putting some of the most amazing women out on the market, Paulie was sitting in his basement, scared shitless for 2 years. We knew Covid was not that bad.

Because I had seen so much Covid and had real world experience that went against the mainstream narrative, I shared it hence the conspiracy theories. Paulie's best buddy in attacking me was JJBee. After lecturing the forum on Covid for over a year, the fool JJBee got vaccinated, thought he was bullet proof, caught Covid and literally got on a plane while sick and spread it all over Colombia, yet these guys think they showed me up on Covid.

Still Paulie is such an obnoxious jerk that JJBee outed him. JJBee has said no one will hang around him, and I think you can see why. Paulie tries to make friends here by agreeing with another guy's POV and giving that guy the impression that they have some secret understanding and that they are special and experts.

Paulie is so cheap that he lectured guys to dress like Medellin natives and bragged that the only women he was banging were in the slums. I am not sure what other dumb things he did to save a buck but his slum dwelling habits got him drugged with scopalamine and apparently he got massively ripped off. So why anyone would follow this clown on anything after that is a mystery to me. You want high quality pussy at a fair price, listen to me. If you want cheap ghetto girls, listen to him but do not be surprised if that cheap pussy is more costly long term.

We have both used seeking and guys have said on the seeking forum there is a paradox. The women who ask for the least often get the most of our money, and I think that is because guys feel like these women are not slutty morally bankrupt WGs but classy women they consider friends. These women are engaging in a contrarian strategy. The way you get more money from guys is to ask for little / none of it.

In the stock market, contrarians make more than anyone and my portfolio is up huge this year while most people are down. And if I were not taken, I would be making contrarian moves in the European pussy market now.

Normally, I would consider going to Russia now while everyone is scared, but here is the irony, it is not a bargain. Thanks to the brain dead policies of Biden and Europe, Russia is richer than ever, and the price of pussy there is through the roof. The concept of spending $40 billion on arms to Ukraine and engaging in policies that make Russia $60 billion richer make no sense to me, but by not cheering on those policies, I am a conspiracy nut.

From a safety POV and pussy POV, I wanted to look into the claim that Russia is going to attack all Europe, and that is more defense industry sponsored media bullshit. This is a civil war but the defense industries want to make it seem like Putin is heading for France any day now.

The Euro is now at a 20 year low and the reason for that is the great exporter Germany has finally seen a trade imbalance. Germany is now importing more than it is exporting due to energy costs. Like with Covid, the dumb Dem response has been copied. In much of the world the way you approach a crisis is you slit your own wrists economically to show you care.

The contrarian investing slogan is the time to invest is when there is blood in the streets AKA disruption, but really it is distinguishing between when things are really bad and when people just say they are. I am interested in the top women, and you typically cannot find them except during times of disruption. Both my gal and I have commented that without Covid we would have never met each other.

In this case, the streets of Eastern Europe have the potential to be dripping with high quality Ukrainian pussy at a fair price. For us, that is what is important. I would have sworn at the beginning of this war, it would be Russia with the cheap pussy but it is not and pointing out where the cheap pussy actually says a lot about this war.

Xpartan

07-06-22, 06:41

Russian exports are booming you fool. Ukraine is kept afloat by massive EU subventions.What exports are you blabbering about, Sr. Immorales? Oil?

Russian oil exports to China and India are "booming" because the Russians are selling them at a 30% discount. And guess what: they don't have much left. India has already pumped all cheap Russian oil they could get their hands on. As for China, Iran slashed its crude prices too to compete with Russians. So 'booming' is about to cease.

What other exports, you bullshitter? The dream of global hegemony?

Russia is going to break. Not today and not tomorrow, for your master still has the resources to slaughter thousands more civilians, but it will crumple under the weight of the sanctions, Western armament and heroism of Ukraine's defenders. And then they'll fucking wish they'd never started this fascist shit show in the first place.

Golfinho

07-06-22, 10:45

What other exports, you bullshitter? The dream of zionist global hegemony?
Isreal is going to break. Not today and not tomorrow, for your master still has the resources to slaughter thousands more civilians, but it will crushed under the weight of the BDS, the wheel of Justice and heroism of Palestine's defenders. And then they'll fucking wish they'd never started this ziofascist shit show in the first place.

There, all fixed for you.

DramaFree11

07-06-22, 15:31

What exports are you blabbering about, Sr. Immorales? Oil?

Russian oil exports to China and India are "booming" because the Russians are selling them at a 30% discount. And guess what: they don't have much left. India has already pumped all cheap Russian oil they could get their hands on. As for China, Iran slashed its crude prices too to compete with Russians. So 'booming' is about to cease.

What other exports, you bullshitter? The dream of global hegemony?

Russia is going to break. Not today and not tomorrow, for your master still has the resources to slaughter thousands more civilians, but it will crumple under the weight of the sanctions, Western armament and heroism of Ukraine's defenders. And then they'll fucking wish they'd never started this fascist shit show in the first place.Until Ukraine and there allies wake up and decide to have a winning strategy they are going to lose big time. The only way to win is too massively produce more oil then Russia and keep up the sanctions. This is too easy, but for whatever reason they do not want to do this. Maybe, because they would lose what little political support they have left.

Johnson is almost finished and Bidden is not far behind. Z. better figure something quickly, or he will have nothing left.

Xpartan

07-07-22, 05:15

And they hunt in packs, LOL.

Jojosun

07-07-22, 11:10

Ukraine needs to start at the top in its Anti Corruption March to get even wider support for its people.

Starting here https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/us-sanctions-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky/.

"The Office of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared to welcome the news, releasing a statement declaring "Ukraine must overcome a system dominated by oligarchs" and acknowledging that "Ukraine is grateful to each partner for its support along the way. ".

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3566-Ukraine-Politics

Paulie97

07-07-22, 15:35

And they hunt in packs, LOL.Yea, could be some straight up shills from Russia but more than likely just ill educated white grievance types on the far right living in the US and Europe. Some may have some Russia roots. Many likely have a head full of Tucker Carlson, especially from before he had to tone it down some when Putin started blowing maternity wards and bread lines. But it's the same old Russian propaganda. "NATO expansion" even though the East expanded into NATO, not the other way around. They tasted freedom post USSR, enjoyed it, and knowing Russia too well asked for protection. Freedom is popular, and Putin said he had no problem with Finland and Sweden joining. We hear about CIA conspiracies but it was more of the same. The Ukraine tasted some freedom, noticed what their neighbors were enjoying and wanted the same. They have moved in the direction of democracy and now have a freedom score of 60 out 100, which is much higher than many countries of the world and 40 points higher than Russia.

https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores

We hear the ludicrous "de-Nazification" justification, though while Neo-Nazis exist in Ukraine, their party only makes up 2% of the population and was insufficient to win any seats in parliment. The Ukraine has a small far right contingent just like the US, France, Sweden, Germany, and Russia. The Azov battalion in the military makes up a mere 1000 members. The whole notion of a Nazi country with a Jewish president is ridiculous on it's face, especially in the absence of any evdience that he's a Nazi collaborator.

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/

Russia wants Ukraine's farmlands, ports, and industrial complexes while restoring empire. They are criminal, murderous, genocidal, grossly dishonest, anti-democratic, and are our enemies. Those who side with them in the US and Western Europe should forfeit the freedoms and protections they currently are enjoying and go live with them.

It's also worth noting again, for anyone who wants to turn it into a Democratic / Republican thing, that only 11 Republican senators voted against the latest aid package to Ukraine. One is free to repeat that line along with other refuted angles over and over, but we all know that dog doesn't hunt.

P.S. There's no dedication that will every match the zeal and dedication for lies. These will always shout the loudest and are sure to get the last word which of course is a hollow victory.

Paulie97

07-08-22, 00:22

That's until you get a better grip on the English language. It's not easy I know, but is worth the effort as it's the language of business across most of the world.

Riina

07-08-22, 01:10

Yea, could be some straight up shills from Russia but more than likely just ill educated white grievance types on the far right living in the US and Europe.You're the shill. You never posted here before.

Tumeric1

07-08-22, 03:06

Russia has limitless resources, you moron. Fuck off and kill a Palestinian child.Pedro / Pedrillo, as in your life, you seem to be getting very little attention and zero love on this forum. How come?

Paulie97

07-08-22, 05:10

You're the shill. You never posted here before.Looks like you don't know how to use the search posts feature of ISG. I do realize that such complicated tasks may be asking a lot of many here, and especially among Putin buttboys. C'est La Vie.

Xpartan

07-08-22, 05:43

You're the shill. You never posted here before.As opposed to people who're flooding this thread with Putinesque horse manure?

PedroMorales

07-08-22, 06:29

Your posts are about me. The others are looking for basic info on Peru. As in sex, it seems you are a receiver, not a giver.

My agenda here is different than yours or your fellow Israeli trolls. I "cruise" past here on the off chance there might be information from the minority of intelligent people; as someone obsessed with dick metaphors, no doubt you know all about cruising, one of your sort's filthiest habits (and you have so m any). In this thread, in American Politics and in others, it is enlightening to know how dumb the Clinton / Obama / Trump trolls are. All that is above your pay grade. Now fuck off.

Early morning, first of two post breakfast beverages, then shower and out to seize the day like the Romans before me.

Pedro / Pedrillo, as in your life, you seem to be getting very little attention and zero love on this forum. How come?

Golfinho

07-08-22, 08:58

That's until you get a better grip on the English language. It's not easy I know, but is worth the effort as it's the language of business across most of the world.Yeah, what's wrong with some people. Like, don't they know the world revolves around what Americans say and think.

Paulie97

07-08-22, 18:17

Yeah, what's wrong with some people. Like, don't they know the world revolves around what Americans say and think.I hear ya, though this is an English language forum and his posts are often cryptic at best. He spoke of locking someone one up so I offerred a tongue and cheek recommendation for the same for him. LOL.

Xpartan

07-08-22, 22:44

Yeah, what's wrong with some people. Like, don't they know the world revolves around what Americans say and think.Indeed! Why doesn't the world revolve around the freedom-hating, anti-Semitic, Putin-loving fascists who want to destroy a whole nation solely for trying to break free from the homicidal and asphyxiating "Russian World"?

Something is so wrong with some people. You betcha.

DramaFree11

07-08-22, 22:58

Indeed! Why doesn't the world revolve around the freedom-hating, anti-Semitic, Putin-loving fascists who want to destroy a whole nation solely for trying to break free from the homicidal and asphyxiating "Russian World"?

Something is so wrong with some people. You betcha.You paint this picture of people being free in Ukraine. 60-70% of the population lived in poverty, but you leave this out of your reports. This was due to laziness and a corrupt system.

Argo1990

07-09-22, 01:22

You are insane, Kiev sucked before the war, it will be even worse now. If you want Hot Ukraine Girls go to Europe, they are long gone, but some guys refuse to admit this.I was in Kiev in 2019 therefore I KNOW that it did not suck before the war. Also why would anyone right in their mind pay 150-200 Euro for an hour with a Ukrainian pro if they could get a gorgeous 20 year old for 2 or 3 hours and 100 euro?

And you are the one calling me insane.

PassinThrough

07-09-22, 01:38

I was in Kiev in 2019 therefore I KNOW that it did not suck before the war. Also why would anyone right in their mind pay 150-200 Euro for an hour with a Ukrainian pro if they could get a gorgeous 20 year old for 2 or 3 hours and 100 euro?

And you are the one calling me insane.I was also there in late 2019. While it was not as good there as it had been a decade earlier when the floating nightclub full of working girls was still open and running it certainly was not that bad. There were lots of young beautiful women available. I spent a lot of time in Eastern Europe and in the Ukraine and the people are very friendly not to mention beautiful and welcoming. They were still digging out of the mess that the Soviet Union left them in but they were doing well and had a very strong outlook for the future.

Xpartan

07-09-22, 02:42

You paint this picture of people being free in Ukraine. 60-70% of the population lived in poverty, but you leave this out of your reports. This was due to laziness and a corrupt system.Living in poverty and living free are two different things. Ukraine has a Freedom Index of 60, Russia - 20. What in the holy name of fuck are you talking about?

But wait. Because you're lying about everything else too.

All Russian riches is concentrated in 2 cities, Moscow and St. Petersburg. Living standards in Russian provinces are way below Ukraine. Why do you think, Russian "liberators" steal toilets, toasters and washing machines? They're lucky if they have indoor plumbing, for Christ's sake.

Laziness? Seriously? Have you even been anywhere in Russia, except Moscow?

And please, please stop with this corruption shtick. Yes, Ukraine is corrupt; courtesy of post-USSR reality. But Russia is a corruption goddess and thieving queen of the world. Corruption my ass!

Talk about something you know.

DramaFree11

07-09-22, 02:55

Living in poverty and living free are two different things. Ukraine has a Freedom Index of 60, Russia - 20. What in the holy name of fuck are you talking about?

But wait. Because you're lying about everything else too.

All Russian riches is concentrated in 2 cities, Moscow and St. Petersburg. Living standards in Russian provinces are way below Ukraine. Why do you think, Russian "liberators" steal toilets, toasters and washing machines? They're lucky if they have indoor plumbing, for Christ's sake.

Laziness? Seriously? Have you even been anywhere in Russia, except Moscow?

And please, please stop with this corruption shtick. Yes, Ukraine is corrupt; courtesy of post-USSR reality. But Russia is a corruption goddess and thieving queen of the world. Corruption my ass!

Talk about something you know.Have you ever been to either Kiev or Russia I doubt it. You love to talk all this be. S. I do not recall you actually writing a trip report.

Sorry, Ukraine people are by far the most lazy and corrupt people I have ever met in my life. Colombian girls are close. I experienced almost zero corruption in Russia. On the other hand Ukraine was one scam after another. If you had actually been there you would know this.

Most Ukraine that live in Kiev are dirt poor, but again you have probably never been there. It is even worse in the other cities. You are delusional.

Before Covid Russia was great place, Ukraine was a shit hole, at best.

Jojosun

07-09-22, 11:07

QUOTE=Jojosun; Ukraine needs to start at the top in its Anti Corruption March to get even wider support for its people.

Starting here https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/us-sanctions-ukrainian-oligarch-ihor-kolomoisky.

"The Office of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appeared to welcome the news, releasing a statement declaring "Ukraine must overcome a system dominated by oligarchs" and acknowledging that "Ukraine is grateful to each partner for its support along the way. ".

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3566-Ukraine-PoliticsQUOTE

In the interest of The People of Ukraine, Another tainted Oligarch needs at some point to be Locked up as well.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5320381/Oligarch-barred-selling-UKs-expensive-flat.html

"Rinat Akhmetov was born in Donetsk, Ukrainian SSR, to a working-class family. He is an ethnic Volga Tatar and a practicing Sunni Muslim". Wikipedia says so.

LOL, these days as some would say "You can't even say Boo to a Goose " without offending someone among Liberal White educated Men.

Jojosun

07-09-22, 11:38

Wingless&No fan of Putin'sRussia, and his invasion of Ukraine.

One can accuse Put in of many things but I don't think being Anti Jewish is one of them.

https://repository.upenn.edu/spice/vol13/iss1/5/

"Despite support from and for right-wing elements and a deep-seated national history of anti-Semitism, the policies of the Russian government under Vladimir Putin have been markedly devoid of anti-Semitism. Appeals to nationalist, imperialist, and Eurasianist ideologies, pragmatic politics, and foreign policy concerns fail to explain these policies adequately. The biography of Putin himself, which includes influential, positive relationships with Jews, provides a better explanation. The personalized influence of the president on Jewish policy suggests a personalized, hyper-centralized regime generally".

Roman is Putin' s Guy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/roman-abramovich-linked-to-russian-state-and-corrupt-activity-mp-says.

Riina

07-09-22, 19:43

Sorry, Ukraine people are by far the most lazy and corrupt people I have ever met in my life. They're all drunks.

Xpartan

07-09-22, 21:49

Have you ever been to either Kiev or Russia I doubt it. You love to talk all this be. S. I do not recall you actually writing a trip report.1. Yes. Lots of times.

2. Never mongered in CIS, hence no reports. Satisfied?

Sorry, Ukraine people are by far the most lazy and corrupt people I have ever met in my life. Colombian girls are close. I experienced almost zero corruption in Russia. On the other hand Ukraine was one scam after another. If you had actually been there you would know this.Right, YOU never experienced corruption, therefore it doesn't exist. Wonderful. Have you been to the Moon?

Transparency International ranks Russia 136 out of 180. Below Angola, below Liberia, below Papua New Guinea. Seriously below Ukraine, although at 126, Ukraine is not much to write home about either. Still better than Russia.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

Most Ukraine that live in Kiev are dirt poor, but again you have probably never been there. It is even worse in the other cities. You are delusional.1. Most Kievites dirt poor? Bullshit. At least, that wasn't the case before Putin's war.

2. Yes, it's worse in other cities. But in Russia, life in villages and small towns is not just worse. It's catastrophically worse. Even big provincial cities are terrible for living, although they do have indoor plumbing at least. 23% of Russian households DO NOT HAVE FLUSHING TOILETS.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

Versus less than 10% for Ukraine.

https://www.statista.com/chart/23557/access-to-basic-sanitation

Before Covid Russia was great place, Ukraine was a shit hole, at best.Aha, sure as long as you don't set your foot outside Moscow / SP. And Putin's unsustainable war is going to change that quickly.

But thank you for not pretending anymore and making it clear to everyone that you're shilling for Russia.

Wingless&No fan of Putin'sRussia, and his invasion of Ukraine.

One can accuse Put in of many things but I don't think being Anti Jewish is one of them.

https://repository.upenn.edu/spice/vol13/iss1/5/

"Despite support from and for right-wing elements and a deep-seated national history of anti-Semitism, the policies of the Russian government under Vladimir Putin have been markedly devoid of anti-Semitism. Appeals to nationalist, imperialist, and Eurasianist ideologies, pragmatic politics, and foreign policy concerns fail to explain these policies adequately. The biography of Putin himself, which includes influential, positive relationships with Jews, provides a better explanation. The personalized influence of the president on Jewish policy suggests a personalized, hyper-centralized regime generally".

Roman is Putin' s Guy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/roman-abramovich-linked-to-russian-state-and-corrupt-activity-mp-says.Yes, unlike his security apparatus, Putin doesn't appear to be an anti-Semite. Does it make him less of a monster of war criminal? No.

Jojosun

07-10-22, 10:42

Where did you get this in any of my Posts "Before Covid Russia was great place, Ukraine was a shit hole, at best ". You Quoted me in your latest post.

Your explanation is needed ASAP.

DramaFree11

07-10-22, 15:53

Where did you get this in any of my Posts "Before Covid Russia was great place, Ukraine was a shit hole, at best ". You Quoted me in your latest post.

Your explanation is needed ASAP.I said it. This guy hates, everyone that does not agree with his crazy liberal views. Funny. I do not recall him ever writing a report about actually meeting girls or mongering trip. He just writes hate abd if you do not agree with his crazy views he gets upset.

Xpartan

07-10-22, 21:40

Where did you get this in any of my Posts "Before Covid Russia was great place, Ukraine was a shit hole, at best ". You Quoted me in your latest post.

Your explanation is needed ASAP.Like the Putin-fanboy proudly stated below, it was him, not you. Sorry about that. Can't edit anymore, otherwise I would.

In the meantime, Russia fired into an apartment building in Donetsk a few hours ago, killing at least 15.

Great place, huh?

Xpartan

07-10-22, 21:42

Funny. I do not recall him ever writing a report about actually meeting girls or mongering trip.You're right, it is funny. A simple search could help, but I understand you're busy nowadays.

Paulie97

07-10-22, 22:51

Sorry, Ukraine people are by far the most lazy and corrupt people I have ever met in my life. Colombian girls are close. I experienced almost zero corruption in Russia. No need to apologize as you've never been to Ukraine or Russia, and even if you had, your biased anecdotes are worthless as evidence.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

Paulie97

07-10-22, 22:56

Where did you get this in any of my Posts "Before Covid Russia was great place, Ukraine was a shit hole, at best ". You Quoted me in your latest post.

Your explanation is needed ASAP.A coherent post is needed from you "ASAP".

Paulie97

07-10-22, 22:58

They're all drunks.Given your inability to follow the conversation this likely applies to you, that or mental retardation.

Paulie97

07-10-22, 23:01

Aha, sure as long as you don't set your foot outside Moscow / SP. And Putin's unsustainable war is going to change that quickly.He's never set foot inside Moscow, Ukraine, Latin Am, or any other places he claims to have visited.

Questner

07-11-22, 00:02

Like the Putin-fanboy proudly stated below, it was him, not you. Sorry about that. Can't edit anymore, otherwise I would.

In the meantime, Russia fired into an apartment building in Donetsk a few hours ago, killing at least 15.

Great place, huh?Go away, Donetsk is part of Donbass under The DPR and The RF control. Wish you, your fellow Americans leave us, Russians and Ukrainians alone. Take your 'huh' to the problems of your own country.

DramaFree11

07-11-22, 00:20

Xpartan

07-11-22, 04:26

Go away, Donetsk is part of Donbass under The DPR and The RF control. Wish you, your fellow Americans leave us, Russians and Ukrainians alone. Take your 'huh' to the problems of your own country.Um, that would be problematic.

1. DPR doesn't exist. It's a part of Ukraine illegally seized by a former GRU colonel and war criminal Girkin-Strelkov, which is currently ruled by mobsters.

2. Ukrainians don't want to be left alone with Russians.

3. This thread is called "Stupid shit in Kyiv. Problems of my country are being discussed elsewhere.

By the way, you've been asked to present your credentials before, but been very shy about it for whatever reasons. And no, the "us, Russians and Ukrainians" doesn't qualify, priyatel.

Xpartan

07-11-22, 04:36

He's never set foot inside Moscow, Ukraine, Latin Am, or any other places he claims to have visited.Quite possible. Most of his comments are political in nature or from Mexico. No reports from Ukraine even though he claims he lived there.

DramaFree11

07-11-22, 07:38

Quite possible. Most of his comments are political in nature or from Mexico. No reports from Ukraine even though he claims he lived there.You guys are delusional, just like you favorite Presidents Bidden and Z.

Yes, it is true I lived in Kiev, unfortunately. It was a great place and then it became a shit hole. Funny, how you guys never talk about the corruption in Ukraine, but forgot you guys are expert's.

Jojosun

07-11-22, 12:04

Thank you Guys (DF&XP) for your prompt clarifications.

Was going to send you PMs but couldn't delete old ones.

Cheers.

Jojosun

07-11-22, 12:13

QUOTE=Paulie97;2718537]A coherent post is needed from you "ASAP". / QUOTE.

LOL, It's called Stupid Shit in Kiev and I need few stiff drinks first to make it sound coherent.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BYudr9FAGOA

Really miss the old days at O'BRiEN'S Pub in Kiev.

Cheers.

Elvis 2008

07-11-22, 14:27

Go away, Donetsk is part of Donbass under The DPR and The RF control. Wish you, your fellow Americans leave us, Russians and Ukrainians alone. Take your 'huh' to the problems of your own country.Amen Brother! I read this piece in Mish talk and it made me sick: https://mishtalk.com/economics/as-long-as-it-takes-ukraine-war-goal-is-now-to-win-through-exhaustion.

Leaders of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization last month rallied around a new slogan for Ukraine: "As long as it takes. " When a reporter asked President Biden to explain what that means, he said: "As long as it takes so Russia cannot, in fact, defeat Ukraine and move beyond Ukraine. ".

As long as Messrs. Putin and Zelensky both believe they are winning, or at least not losing, and as long as they are listening to their generals and not their diplomats, it is likely that this conflict will remain a slow, bloody and long war.

So Europeans and Americans pay more for gasoline and natural gas and we keep pumping money into a cause that ensures more dead Ukrainians and Russians. This is a rare situation that only a politician could create where everyone loses except for Putin because he has more money to buy and build weapons due to higher energy prices.

Russia wants Ukraine's farmlands, ports, and industrial complexes while restoring empire. They are criminal, murderous, genocidal, grossly dishonest, anti-democratic, and are our enemies. Those who side with them in the US and Western Europe should forfeit the freedoms and protections they currently are enjoying and go live with them.
These are the words of a coward living in Colombia and says that people in the USA and Europe should forego their freedoms. You can take your "pro Democracy", "pro freedom" flag waving and shove it where the sun does not shine. Quit cheering on the deaths of people dying for nothing. If you so believe in Ukrainian freedom, go fight for it mo fo. Quit posting on a hooker board and learn how to shoot.

And what is this our crap? You do not speak for me fool. You dumb Dems have been looking for a war the second Biden moved into office. In 2016, Trump won because Putin rigged the election. In 2020, Hunter Biden's laptop was Putin's Russian disinformation. But even after that proved to be bullshit, you Dems kept on and on. Gas prices high? Putin's fault. Food prices up? Putin's fault. And that is just what was out in the open. God knows what was going on under the surface.

So to you dumb Dems, when Trump won in 2016, it was rigged by Putin but when your guy won in 2020, it was "the fairest election in history. " What a crock of shit.

So let me be clear. This was in Ukraine IMO is just as much on you Dems IMO as it is on Putin. You Dems have been demonizing and lying about him for years. And your dumb line about NATO and Eastern Europe, "The Eastern Europeans asked to join and who were we to tell them no" is offensive to me. So we make a promise and break it and that is okay? You think the Russians are going to trust us when negotiating a peace? Why the fuck would they? Shit, I want to nuke Belgium for that fucking lie. Going into Ukraine seems peaceful by comparison.

And where do you get off lecturing about "freedom" when the USA has more people in jail than anyone else thanks to pols like Clinton and Biden?

Pointing out where Dems have fucked up and lied is not being pro-Putin. This whole war is fucking stupid and worse than that, it was avoidable. I want the people in Ukraine and Russia to live in peace, and the single greatest gift that can be given to the world's poor is cheap electricity. Someone has told me that Biden thinks the only way the Dems can hold Congress is if Putin is brought down. Yeah, that sounds about right. Everyone in the world should suffer in order for the dumb Dems to hold onto power.

And just so it does not go unnoticed, you are the biggest liar on the forum. I met Dramafree in Mexico and he talked to me about his trips to Russia and we made very sketchy plans about going. And with me, you claim no one knows me but somehow you know everywhere I have been and I never have gone to Colombia or Russia or Ukraine. So how do you know where me and DF have traveled? Because you just made it up, and that makes you a fucking liar.

By the way, does getting drugged by a Colombian WG in the slums make you an expert on Colombia?

If I were an admin, I would require all your posts be signed POS fucking liar at the end. I wonder if this is why JJBee and his crew dumped your sorry ass.

Paulie97

07-11-22, 17:18

3. This thread is called "Stupid shit in Kyiv. Problems of my country are being discussed elsewhere.Such is the "whataboutism" or tu quoque fallacy. They are unable to handle the substance of the arguments so they try to change the subject.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

Paulie97

07-11-22, 17:28

Quite possible. Most of his comments are political in nature or from Mexico. No reports from Ukraine even though he claims he lived there.He might have crossed the border into Tijuana if he lives in California, but he certainly has never been to the Ukraine or Russia. And he's so stupid as to think that what he reports to have "seen" constitutes evidence. For example he said he saw Ukraine's tiny army then announced that they'd be finished off inside a week while accusing the media of spreading false information about their prowess.

He claims to have been to Russia, saw no corruption, therefore none must exist. ROFL That's even though they are the kleptocracy capital of the world, regularly murder political opponents and send people to jail for 15 years for criticizing the regime. They also get horrible freedom scores no matter who is doing the measurement, but in a word it's impossible to take a guy like that seriously.

Riina

07-11-22, 19:23

Looks like we have a real troll here. Let's not feed him and he'll go away.

DramaFree11

07-11-22, 20:03

He might have crossed the border into Tijuana if he lives in California, but he certainly has never been to the Ukraine or Russia. And he's so stupid as to think that what he reports to have "seen" constitutes evidence. For example he said he saw Ukraine's tiny army then announced that they'd be finished off inside a week while accusing the media of spreading false information about their prowess.

He claims to have been to Russia, saw no corruption, therefore none must exist. ROFL That's even though they are the kleptocracy capital of the world, regularly murder political opponents and send people to jail for 15 years for criticizing the regime. They also get horrible freedom scores no matter who is doing the measurement, but in a word it's impossible to take a guy like that seriously.You are on Crack. Yes, read the reports. Unlike you and your buddy I actually travel to these destinations. Yes, Moscow was an amazing place, and people went of there way to help me.

You Xpar, have a lot in common. Maybe Xpar to travel to MDE and you guys can hang out, you both hate America.

DramaFree11

07-11-22, 21:11

He might have crossed the border into Tijuana if he lives in California, but he certainly has never been to the Ukraine or Russia. And he's so stupid as to think that what he reports to have "seen" constitutes evidence. For example he said he saw Ukraine's tiny army then announced that they'd be finished off inside a week while accusing the media of spreading false information about their prowess.

He claims to have been to Russia, saw no corruption, therefore none must exist. ROFL That's even though they are the kleptocracy capital of the world, regularly murder political opponents and send people to jail for 15 years for criticizing the regime. They also get horrible freedom scores no matter who is doing the measurement, but in a word it's impossible to take a guy like that seriously.Interesting if either you or X. Would have actually traveled to Ukraine you would realize just how corrupt it is and was, but that would require you guys getting off your computer and traveling. Neither one of you rarely talk about girls or your actual trips.

Xpartan

07-11-22, 22:44

Elvis 2008

07-11-22, 23:05

He might have crossed the border into Tijuana if he lives in California, but he certainly has never been to the Ukraine or Russia. And he's so stupid as to think that what he reports to have "seen" constitutes evidence. He actually lives in Texas, and we met in Monterrey Mexico where he had a hot date and so did I. But once again, the facts do not matter to you. Why tell the truth versus just proclaiming things as you wish they could be?

Your opinion on Colombia was that the whole country is a scam. The funny part is that DF actually has much your same attitude about Colombia but he is not a hypocrite like you who stayed there. If the whole country is a scam, WTF are you doing there?

That's even though they are the kleptocracy capital of the world, regularly murder political opponents and send people to jail for 15 years for criticizing the regime. They also get horrible freedom scores no matter who is doing the measurement, but in a word it's impossible to take a guy like that seriously.If Russia is so terrible and we are so just, why is Eric Snowden living in Russia? What did he do that was so terrible? Show the world our government was lying its ass off about our freedom and civil rights?

Thing about Snowden is that he has volunteered to come back and face what he did as long as he has a trial of his peers I. E. Citizens, but the cowards in our government do not want to take that chance. They are such wimps they only want Snowden in a military court where they can rig the results.

The only place Snowden can live free is in Russia. That is a helluva statement about American "freedom" right there.

My brother lived in St. Petersburg a year and loved it. He said that as long as you did not criticize Putin you did what you wanted. Sexual freedom was huge there. The women banged men like American women shake your hand. Having sex for fun was no big deal.

And men were free to keep what they earned. He said Russian women were shocked when he told them of alimony and child support.

And he said a Russian man was deeply offended when he mentioned American freedom. The Russian man said he was never so scared in his life as he was working in the USA. He said in Russia all he had to work on was performance. In the USA, he said you could be easily fired for looking at a woman wrong or making a joke about a fat person or gay person. He was constantly on edge about offending someone.

My brother returned to the USA because the income he could make here was the best. So yeah, the USA is the land of opportunity. But the land of freedom? Fuck that. Things are so fucked up here that the only people who can determine a person's sex is a biologist. Anyone who misuses the pronouns he or she can be fired from their job.

Paulie97

07-11-22, 23:47

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 01:39

Looks like we have a real troll here. Let's not feed him and he'll go away.Riina, you and P.S. Fit in perfect with these 2 losers. The only difference is you and P.S, actually traveled to Ukraine. These 2 winners have never been there.

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 01:47

He actually lives in Texas, and we met in Monterrey Mexico where he had a hot date and so did I. But once again, the facts do not matter to you. Why tell the truth versus just proclaiming things as you wish they could be?

Your opinion on Colombia was that the whole country is a scam. The funny part is that DF actually has much your same attitude about Colombia but he is not a hypocrite like you who stayed there. If the whole country is a scam, WTF are you doing there?

If Russia is so terrible and we are so just, why is Eric Snowden living in Russia? What did he do that was so terrible? Show the world our government was lying its ass off about our freedom and civil rights?

Thing about Snowden is that he has volunteered to come back and face what he did as long as he has a trial of his peers I. E. Citizens, but the cowards in our government do not want to take that chance. They are such wimps they only want Snowden in a military court where they can rig the results.

The only place Snowden can live free is in Russia. That is a helluva statement about American "freedom" right there..Correct, my friends in Moscow and St. Pet. Loved Russia. This was before Covid and the war. The thing is if you work hard and behave you will have a decent life Russia.

Now my friends in a Ukraine were complete opposite, they were trying to get the hell out of there. Why is this, because there was no future and corruption. This was 7-10 years and had nothing to do with the war. The funny thing and you can read this in my reports, I met so many Ukraine in Russia it was unbelievable, why is this, Very simple it was a better life.

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 02:14

The death toll from a Russian rocket strike at the residential building in Donetsk rose to 24. It's expected to rise more as rescue teams are digging out more bodies and survivors.

6 people are dead after a rocket attack on an apartment building in Kharkiv.

Russia can't win on the battlefield, so it's flying dozens of rockets into Ukraine daily. And flying blindly, using the barrages not against any military objectives, but against residential areas to terrorize civilians.

I have no idea how Putin's fanboys cheering on his atrocities from the sidelines can look at themselves in the mirror.XMan you claim to know everything, so how exactly is Ukraine going to win the war? They going to run out of soldiers. This will happen from fatigue, injuries and desertions. Ukraine armed forces has over achieved and done an amazing job, but they can not keep this up. There is no reserve forces coming, they are in deep trouble now. The answer, there is no way, unless one of 2 things happen. Nuclear war, and in this case we all lose. The other way is if we invade Russia, even in your crazy fantasy world this will never going to happen. I know in the Video genes you Pauline play, Ukraine wins, but this is fantasy land, but this how you guys live your lives.

I guess you forgot to look at CNN over the weekend, (The kings of Fake News, but I am sure this is your Favorite Network), even they said the war is not going as well for Ukraine now and the sanctions are not working. CNN will turn on Pres. Z shortly and that will be the end. The sad part is so many are suffering from this war, but you guys want it to continue on. The longer it goes on the more the world economy suffers, you guys are making Russia Richer and more powerful. Great strategy, but this is what you Liberals are good at losing, and Ukraine Government is even better at losing. This time Ukraine is taking the world economy down with them and our Great Pres. And Whack jobs around him are too stupid to realize what's going on.

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 02:34

Xpartan

07-12-22, 03:33

Snowden is a tragic figure. He's way too smart not to understand what Russia's all about. But he didn't have much of a choice, did he? He'd been put in an impossible position.

Choosing between Russia and a multi-year sentence in a 100-square foot prison cell? Well, even today's Russia wins.

Snowden is a person of conscience, otherwise he wouldn't have done what he did. I simply don't believe that all the crimes against humanity and clear genocide taken place in Ukraine day in day out somehow escape him. He must be devastated.

Although what do I know? People change.

In any case, it is tragically ironic that a person who shed the light on the wrongdoings of his own government has been forced to hide in a country that's 1,000 times worse in all possible regards.

Riina

07-12-22, 04:27

It really sucks that I have to apply for a Russian visa to enter the territory formerly known as Ukraine.

Riina

07-12-22, 04:32

Ukraine's leaders sent their finest men into a Buzzsaw.

PedroMorales

07-12-22, 05:19

Snowden is a tragic figure. He's way too smart Something a spammer like you could never be accused of.

Although what do I know? People change.Agreement at last. We can all agree you are an utter ignoramus.

In any case, it is tragically ironic that a person who shed the light on the wrongdoings of his own government has been forced to hide in a country that's 1,000 times worse in all possible regards.The USA is the shit of the world. Raping, robbing, torturing, plundering. Pure, unadulterated filth.

Elvis 2008

07-12-22, 06:14

XMan you claim to know everything, so how exactly is Ukraine going to win the war? They cannot and it is not about Ukraine winning the war. That is what the dumb Dems Paulie and Xpartan do not get. The hope is that those in the Russian government rebel against Putin, oust him, and Biden can brag and say, "You see I got rid of Putin."

What is so stupid about this is that I do not think anyone, outside of the Dems who are already going to vote for Biden, cares. When we got rid of Saddam Hussein and Gadaffi, it did not make either country better. What was left behind was a shit show.

On top of that, there is zero way of knowing that if someone took over Putin, they would not be worse.

The same thing happened in Afghanistan. The clusterfuck of a pullout was done because Biden wanted all the troops out by the 20th anniversary of the war so he could brag about it. Biden oversaw the death of so many because he thought the pullout might boost his image.

At the rate this is going, Trump is a shoo in to win in 2024 as this war will go on. Unlike all these fucking Dems who have been lying about Putin for years, Putin can trust Trump and they can work out a deal. Putin has no reason to trust any fucking Dem. None. Trump runs on $2 gasoline and ending the war in Ukraine. What are the Dems going to counter with? Grab them by the pussy? Fucking a porn star? Yeesh.

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 09:33

Riina, you and P.S. Fit in perfect with these 2 losers. The only difference is you and P.S, actually traveled to Ukraine. These 2 winners have never been there.I forgot to mention another clown Rog, you guys have been lying about Ukraine for years.

Paulie97

07-12-22, 19:51

Ukraine's leaders sent their finest men into a Buzzsaw.In case you haven't noticed twerp, Russia has suffered major battfield deaths, 10's of 1000's and including many in the higher ranks. Much of this has been the result of their laughable "jack in the box" death trap tanks. They are currently ducking and hiding, overwhelmed by artillery in Melitopol.

Paulie97

07-12-22, 19:57

Paulie97

07-12-22, 22:08

They cannot and it is not about Ukraine winning the war. That is what the dumb Dems Paulie and Xpartan do not get. The hope is that those in the Russian government rebel against Putin, oust him, and Biden can brag and say, "You see I got rid of Putin.Nonsense. The primary aim is to support democracy in Europe in the face of the worst unprovoked aggression there since World War II. We are providing aid as we should, but the ultimate outcome is undetermined as much of it depends on the Ukrainians, who have a strong desire to fight to preserve their identity. It would be nice if they can drive the terrorists completely off their land, but more likely their efforts will strengthen their position at the negotiating table. Russia is suffering plenty, by sanctions and loss of life and equipment on the battlefield.

What is so stupid about this is that I do not think anyone, outside of the Dems who are already going to vote for Biden, cares. When we got rid of Saddam Hussein and Gadaffi, it did not make either country better. What was left behind was a shit show.Whatever you call a "shit show" has improved the lives of Americans and our allies as terrorism directed at us has been greatly reduced. As to Russia, they've seen improvements in the past as the result of regime changes, plus a free Russia in the future isn't out of the question given that many of their young appreciate the Western way of life. But in any case, seeing that you feel so strongly about this, how many letters have you sent out to Republican congressmen and senators outlining your arguments? The overwhelming majority support Ukraine's war effort.

On top of that, there is zero way of knowing that if someone took over Putin, they would not be worse.Once again regime change isn't the aim, though this would be nice if the Russian people take care of the problem themselves. And you have "zero way of knowing" if a Putin replacement might be less psychopathic and homicidal. In fact there's a good chance they would be. But this is another straw man as there's very little we can "know" about the future with certainty. Thus such never justifies inaction. Duh.

The same thing happened in Afghanistan. The clusterfuck of a pullout was done because Biden wanted all the troops out by the 20th anniversary of the war so he could brag about it. Biden oversaw the death of so many because he thought the pullout might boost his image.The withdrawal from Afghanistan was facilitated according to the arrangements made under the Trump administration. The "clusterfuck" is within your own confused, angry and obsessed brain and this has nothing to do with the legitimate support of Ukraine, which once again, sees wide bi-partisan support with only 11 Republican senators voting against the latest aid packages. Why do you keep ignoring that fact while trying to make it about the Democrats? The reason is because you are dishonest and incapable of engaging in legitimate debate. As to the Wars on Terror, these needed to be fought as nowadays we see few attacks against our citizens and allies.

At the rate this is going, Trump is a shoo in to win in 2024 as this war will go on. Unlike all these fucking Dems who have been lying about Putin for years, Putin can trust Trump and they can work out a deal. Putin has no reason to trust any fucking Dem. None. Trump runs on $2 gasoline and ending the war in Ukraine. What are the Dems going to counter with? Grab them by the pussy? Fucking a porn star? Yeesh.Sadly there's a whole lot more going against Trump than grabbing pussy and fucking porn stars. We can start with grifting in Ukraine withholding taxpayer funds for personal favors. We can add lying about a pandemic which cost 100's of 1000's of American live unnecessarily as we have had the highest per capital death rates among wealthy nations. We can add being a stupid moron recommending bleach ingestions or UV lights up the orifices to combat viral infections. LOL We can add Stop the Steal lies while collecting $ from suckers and pocketing 250 million for his PAC. This while the claims were laughed out of 60 courts. We can talk about soft coup attempts then a violent one which lead to the deaths of police officers. No he's not getting elected in 2024 as there's no way enough voters even in swing states will trust someone so corrupt, stupid, and unbalanced again at the helm. Repubs would be wise to run DeSantis.

Regarding Putin, there's no "deals" with Trump other than the latter hitting his knees and giving a BJ. Little Vlad had long had his designs to re-instate empire and this was coming regardless. Yet Trump was attacking and jockeying to pull us out of NATO, grifting in Ukraine, bungling a pandemic killing us off, tossing our historic allies the Kurds under the wheels, wrecking US democracy with stolen election nonsense while sending violent mobs on the Capital, etc. Why distract from all those wonderful gifts by attacking the Ukraine? It was inevitable though.

Xpartan

07-12-22, 22:35

XMan you claim to know everything, so how exactly is Ukraine going to win the war? They going to run out of soldiers. Gee, let me make it easy for you.

1. Ukraine's population is 40 million vs. Russia's 140 millions. Ukrainian soldiers are fierce and well-motivated warriors defending their homeland, while Russians are contractnicks fighting for money. You do know that Putin calls it a "special military operation" (too scared to even call it a war). Until and unless they declare full mobilization, Russia simply doesn't have enough soldiers. Simple as that. They're already recruiting in jails and prisons.

2. If they do mobilize, that will be another disaster. Young Russian men don't want to go to war, no matter what they say in surveys. And why should they? Contractnicks at least get paid. They do get cheated, though, but still. So why should young conscripts get killed for free?

3. Modest Russian successes so far owe it exclusively to supreme, 20:1, Russia's artillery advantages. HIMARS have already changed this landscape. In the last few days, Ukrainians have destroyed at least 20 high-value targets including weapon, fuel depots and command centers. And there are many more to come. In the meantime, Russia has already used up most of its high-precision artillery, and the sanctions all but ensure they won't be able to replace them quickly enough.

4. Contrary to what you knuckleheads believe, the sanctions are working and working well. It's been just a few months, but already the auto industry has shrunk by at least 85% and chip exports by 90%. And sure they still can sell their oil and gas, but what the hell are they going to do with the money? Russia used to import almost everything including nails. They can't even make nails, for fucks sake.

5. Finally, failure is not an option. Ukraine would be extremely dumb to trust Russia about anything. If they give up the territory, Putin will use the break to regroup and start again. And they'll be better prepared next time.

Paulie97

07-12-22, 22:47

It really sucks that I have to apply for a Russian visa to enter the territory formerly known as Ukraine.That's sounds about par for the course. To hell with the lives lost, ruined lives, and destroyed infrastructure. All that matters is a minor inconvenience in your quest to go buy hookers. I'm sure you'll find some sympathy here.

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 22:59

We can see that he is on a posting frenzy since caught lying about having been to Ukraine and Russia. There are no reports from these countries in his post history, and his descriptions of Medellin and Mexico City are also very inaccurate.

Twerp you are right wingnut Putin buttboy wannabe, with no higher education and a high school diploma at most. The fact that you think your claims of having been certain places constitutes evidence proves that.Sorry, you are the one that is completely delusional. Why would anyone make up living in MDE or Kiev. At least XMan occasionally make a good point.

For the record I was only on Bogota, briefly. I was in MDE for 3 months and hated every minute of it. So I do not hate the whole country, I just do not like MDE and I am not impressed with the girls at all. As I said most of the girls have or want fat asses, way too jealous and extremely lazy.

As I told lovemudd, you can meet me in M. City anytime you like. I am there every 10 days. You can verify my life, but that would mean you would have to get off the computer, were is very easy make stuff. I am sure you have never been to Kiev or Russia, and I doubt XMan has been their either. You guys are insane.

DramaFree11

07-12-22, 23:16

Gee, let me make it easy for you.

1. Ukraine's population is 40 million vs. Russia's 140 millions. Ukrainian soldiers are fierce and well-motivated warriors defending their homeland, while Russians are contractnicks fighting for money. You do know that Putin calls it a "special military operation" (too scared to even call it a war). Until and unless they declare full mobilization, Russia simply doesn't have enough soldiers. Simple as that. They're already recruiting in jails and prisons.

2. If they do mobilize, that will be another disaster. Young Russian men don't want to go to war, no matter what they say in surveys. And why should they? Contractnicks at least get paid. They do get cheated, though, but still. So why should young conscripts get killed for free?.You live in a dream world. Even CNN says the sanctions are not working, but you conveniently leave these details out. This is what happens when we back Ukraine and forget to produce oil. You are making Putin stronger and richer.

As I said, the Ukraine army as done a great job, but there is no way they can keep it up. This only happens in your Video Game, this is real life and war is horrible.

Then you have the crazy ass Pres. Z, claiming they will never negotiate. All he is doing is getting his people killed and destroying his country, this is not winning. In the next couple of weeks the CIA will pull him into a dark room and tell him come up with a solution or compromise. If refuses the support will begin to dwindle, this has to come to end.

I know you guys live in a fantasy world, but in war not everybody can be a winner, like in your liberal world, war is Hell. All Ukraine had to do is behave, but instead there government took another path and we are all suffering the repercussions.

Riina

07-12-22, 23:27

In case you haven't noticed twerp, Russia has suffered major battfield deaths, 10's of 1000's and including many in the higher ranks. Much of this has been the result of their laughable "jack in the box" death trap tanks. They are currently ducking and hiding, overwhelmed by artillery in Melitopol.I noticed they have almost complete control of Lugansk and Donetsk meathead.

Riina

07-12-22, 23:34

Ukrainian soldiers are fierce and well-motivated warriors defending their homeland, True, but they're marching into the meat grinder for delusional fools like you.

Riina

07-12-22, 23:36

If it were Poland, there would be a line of Western men ready to fight.

DramaFree11

07-13-22, 05:02

Gee, let me make it easy for you.

1. Ukraine's population is 40 million vs. Russia's 140 millions. Ukrainian soldiers are fierce and well-motivated warriors defending their homeland, while Russians are contractnicks fighting for money. You do know that Putin calls it a "special military operation" (too scared to even call it a war). Until and unless they declare full mobilization, Russia simply doesn't have enough soldiers. Simple as that. They're already recruiting in jails and prisons.

2. If they do mobilize, that will be another disaster. Young Russian men don't want to go to war, no matter what they say in surveys. And why should they? Contractnicks at least get paid. They do get cheated, though, but still. So why should young conscripts get killed for free?

3. Modest Russian successes so far owe it exclusively to supreme, 20:1, Russia's artillery advantages. HIMARS have already changed this landscape. In the last few days, Ukrainians have destroyed at least 20 high-value targets including weapon, fuel depots and command centers. And there are many more to come. In the meantime, Russia has already used up most of its high-precision artillery, and the sanctions all but ensure they won't be able to replace them quickly enough.Please explain to me how Ukraine can win? This is very simple question. Again having half of your country completely destroyed and god knows how many lives will be lost, is not winning.

DramaFree11

07-13-22, 05:16

Nonsense. The primary aim is to support democracy in Europe in the face of the worst unprovoked aggression there since World War II. We are providing aid as we should, but the ultimate outcome is undetermined as much of it depends on the Ukrainians, who have a strong desire to fight to preserve their identity. It would be nice if they can drive the terrorists completely off their land, but more likely their efforts will strengthen their position at the negotiating table. Russia is suffering plenty, by sanctions and loss of life and equipment on the battlefield.

Whatever you call a "shit show" has improved the lives of Americans and our allies as terrorism directed at us has been greatly reduced. As to Russia, they've seen improvements in the past as the result of regime changes, plus a free Russia in the future isn't out of the question given that many of their young appreciate the Western way of life. But in any case, seeing that you feel so strongly about this, how many letters have you sent out to Republican congressmen and senators outlining your arguments? The overwhelming majority support Ukraine's war effort.

Once again regime change isn't the aim, though this would be nice if the Russian people take care of the problem themselves. And you have "zero way of knowing" if a Putin replacement might be less psychopathic and homicidal. In fact there's a good chance they would be. But this is another straw man as there's very little we can "know" about the future with certainty. Thus such never justifies inaction. Duh..Pauline you are crazy. Russia is not a threat to Europe, they can not even win in Ukraine. You Dem. Want to blame everything on Russia, it is your poor leadership and even worse policy. Russia is not too blame for everything.

You guys should be thanking Trump for saving the economy during the the pandemic, if he would have lockdown everything we would be in even bigger financial crisis. Yes, he is a bad guy, but he gets things done unlike your liberal buddies.

Paulie97

07-13-22, 05:32

Unlike all these fucking Dems who have been lying about Putin for yearsThis easily is the stupidest remark from your post, ass kissing a psycho dictator while enjoying American freedoms. The truth about that scumbag is plenty enough for anyone with a conscience and sense of humanity as he murders political opponents, jails those who disagree with him while attacking a sovereign country unprovoked, lies about Nazis when these are less than 2% of the Ukrainian population, whines about NATO when Eastern countries joined by their own volition, murders civilians, etc. He doesn't care about NATO anyway as he affirmed that he doesn't mind Finland and Sweden joining. He wants Ukraine's ports, farmlands, and industry plus empire in the bigger picture.

Plus the consensus in the US is overwhelming, as only the far right ass clown Repubs like Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene don't support Ukraine. Only 11 Repub senators dissented on the latest Ukraine aid package, which is a point you've ignored a dozen times. You don't even have the balls to acknowledge or even quote the fact as it overturns your whining that it's all about the Dems. No it's about democracy versus authoritarianism, and generally a minority of lowlifes that need to be placed on the sidelines in our politics.

Paulie97

07-13-22, 05:45

I noticed they have almost complete control of Lugansk and Donetsk meathead.Russia has had strong footings in those areas for eight years, but tucked and ran from Kyiv and Kharkiv, planning to take over Ukraine in less than a week but only have 10's of 1000's of dead soldiers (far more than they lost in nine years in Afghanistan) huge equipment loses, cripling sanctions, and marginal territorial gains to show for it. It's a disaster for them no matter what happens from here.

But look up Melitopol, Ruskies are hiding inside as Ukraine is making gains with their new artillery systems. Then if you can, try to come up with a conscience for your empty soul so you'll know who you should be supporting in this conflict.

Xpartan

07-13-22, 09:01

You live in a dream world. Yeah, I live in a dream world! Again, Moscow and St. Petersburg aren't Russia. Real Russia is hurting, bleeding, losing job security, their savings and the roof over their heads. And it's going to become much worse before NEVER getting better.

Even CNN says the sanctions are not working, but you conveniently leave these details out. This is what happens when we back Ukraine and forget to produce oil. You are making Putin stronger and richer.I don't care what you or CNN are saying. Just 4 months into this shit, and Russia doesn't have the automotive industry anymore. That's just one industry. And the shit hasn't even hit the fan yet.

As I said, the Ukraine army as done a great job, but there is no way they can keep it up. This only happens in your Video Game, this is real life and war is horrible.Big empty words. You're just blaming the victim and want them to capitulate.

Then you have the crazy ass Pres. Z, claiming they will never negotiate. When did he claim that? Care to back this up?

In the next couple of weeks the CIA will pull him into a dark room and tell him come up with a solution or compromise. If refuses the support will begin to dwindle, this has to come to end.Right, and it's me who's living in a dream world? LOL.

All Ukraine had to do is behaveHere we go. No matter how hard you try, you can't hide those long-ass ears of a Russian shill.

PedroMorales

07-13-22, 11:29

Tumeric1

07-13-22, 16:05

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10998887/Conscripts-given-call-papers-beaches-Ukraine.html

Zelensky is running out of lemmings. Sign up. Stop a Russian bullet. Take up for Team Hunter Biden.Pedrillo, you were not missed here. Why do you continue to post garbage "opinion" articles from garbage sources? Go get your two "expensive" morning drinks trying to prove yourself that you have done well in life.

Elvis 2008

07-13-22, 17:21

This easily is the stupidest remark from your post, ass kissing a psycho dictator while enjoying American freedoms.Tell me about my freedoms again while you dumb Dems tried to say Putin was responsible for Trump winning and made up Russiagate, an attempt to throw out a Democratically elected leader. Then you all made up "Russian disinformation" and Hunter Biden's laptop. You talk all about freedom. Free to lie? Was the press free to tell the truth about Hunter Biden's laptop or was that banned right before the election?

Was Russiagate real Paulie? Was Hunter Biden's laptop Russian disinformation?

Here is Matt Taibbi: With censorship soaring and real reporting all but taboo, the major dailies have just one important function left: being a political signaling system.

On Monday, the New York Times ran a story pegged to a new poll, showing Joe Biden dragging a sub-Trumpish 33% approval rating into the midterms.

The article followed another from the weekend, "At 79, Biden Is Testing the Boundaries of Age and the Presidency. " That piece, about Biden's age code for "cognitive decline" was full of doom as well.

Biden's descent was obvious six years ago. Following the candidate in places like Nevada, Iowa, and New Hampshire, I listened to traveling press joke about his general lack of awareness and discuss new precautions his aides seemed to be taking to prevent him engaging audience members at events.

But I'd covered a much sharper Biden in 2008 and felt that even if the drain of overcoming a stutter had some effect, the problems were cognitive, not speech-related. He struggled to remember where he was and veered constantly into inappropriateness, challenging people physically, telling crazy-ass stories, and angering instantly.

End of quote.

It is amazing that someone somewhere just gave the okay to talk about Biden's age, and the press piles on. All that stuff about Biden's poor ability to speak? It was all stuttering. Nah, just kidding. He is losing his fucking mind. We just had to wait to his poll numbers were down.

As for your dumb Dem contention that Republican senators voted to aid Ukraine, the sad truth is that members of Congress always voted for war. Senators Biden and Clinton voted for the war in Iraq but I still blamed GW Bush for that, and those two voting for the war did not mean Democrats were for it. The same goes here. Most Republicans I know are dead set against this war. Thing is you dumb Dems have made it so that anyone who is anti-war is pro-Putin.

And you do not want Democracy and freedom. You want one party Democratic rule and the Soviet style press which we have.

Back to Taibbi:

Along with companion outlets like the Washington Post and The Atlantic (as pure a reflection of establishment thought as exists in America), the paper in this sense fulfills the same function that Izvestia once served in the Soviet Union, telling us little or even less than nothing about breaking news events ("Can NATO Long Exist?" was among Pravda's final questions in 1991) but giving us comprehensive, if often coded, portraits of the thinking of the leadership class.

Some freedom we have.

Elvis 2008

07-13-22, 17:31

Yeah, I live in a dream world! Again, Moscow and St. Petersburg aren't Russia. Real Russia is hurting, bleeding, losing job security, their savings and the roof over their heads. And it's going to become much worse before NEVER getting better.

I don't care what you or CNN are saying. Just 4 months into this shit, and Russia doesn't have the automotive industry anymore. That's just one industry. And the shit hasn't even hit the fan yet.

https://www.newsweek.com/moscow-shoppers-feel-far-less-pain-americans-ukraine-war-1715389

And yet, after surviving early doomsday predictions about the potentially crippling effects of Western economic sanctions, Russian consumers are comparatively content with their present economic condition. Rather than sparking a widespread anti-Kremlin uprising, the moderate decline in the standard of living has resulted in minimal visible disruptions on the streets of Moscow.

While the exchange value of the national currency does not offer a full picture of the Russian economy's health, the Russian Central Bank's success in staving off a financial collapse that seemed imminent to many only three months ago helps explain why the economic mood in Moscow remains relatively upbeat.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-consumer-prices-unchanged-three-163533737.html

Russia's consumer price index was flat in the week to June 24, having declined for three weeks in a row after a massive spike in March, providing the central bank with room to cut rates to limit the economic downturn, data showed on Wednesday.

Yeah, we are really giving it to Russia good.

I said it before and I will say it again. When the Dems hear of a crisis, the first thing they do is slit our wrists economically to say that they care.

Of course after the climate change induced fiascos in Ghana, the Netherlands, and Sri Lanka, it may be time to give the Dems credit for fucking things up beyond even our borders.

The Mercy Seat

07-13-22, 20:15

Hi to my fellow mongers in these dark times.

Haven't been reading the forum for some time, but checked it out today and it seems that some people here has lost there brain. How you can support Russia's attack on Ukraine is beyond me (yes I know you don't say it right out but you don't hide it either). I have had a friend from Kiev at my place for 2 months until she went home again. And life there is also hard at the moment with high price on groceries and not much work. Of course the bombed places in Ukraine is the worst. Whole cities destroyed.

Am I shocked that Putin went to war? No. Surprised? Yes. In the 90's I travelled a lot in Poland and that country with the rest of Eastern Europa was shit scared of Putin. Because it never was a secret that Putin wants the old USSR back with all it's glory (well he think it was glory). But that he would actually attack a country was a bit of surprise.

Are some mongers here so in need for pussy that they think that Ukraine should just be a good puppy and lie down and die? It seems that some here think so. Or do you just hate Ukraine since it hasn't been good to you? I then recommend you to move to Russia and stay there. The sanctions is starting to take affect and it will only be worse for Russia as times moves on. When the rest of the world is against you it could be smart to stop and think. Hey, was starting a war with Ukraine a smart thing to do? Putin don't care. I just hope most Russians will come to their sences soon. No matter what happens in the future, Russia will have to pay a price for what they have done.

Stay safe!

PedroMorales

07-13-22, 22:51

The DPR have prepared the yard in which the three mercenary criminals (two British and one Moroccan) will be executed by firing squad. I think that is wrong as a firing squad should be for soldiers, not British, American and Moroccan criminals.

China should really engage more, send military advisors etc.

Europe, meanwhile, with Germany in the van, has committed economic suicide. Musta been a lot of Krauts on Orgy Island /.

Reiner Otto

07-14-22, 08:16

The DPR have prepared the yard in which the three mercenary criminals .High time for a petition, to introduce death penalty for guilty parties in The Hague.

Golfinho

07-14-22, 14:54

Haven't been reading the forum for some time, but checked it out today and it seems that some people here has lost there brain.

In the 90's I travelled a lot in Poland and that country with the rest of Eastern Europa was shit scared of Putin!Shit scared of Putin? In the 90's?

Check your memory; find your brain.

PedroMorales

07-14-22, 21:45

High time for a petition, to introduce death penalty for guilty parties in The Hague.The Hague is only for Africans and Yugoslav patriots. The Nazi USA state has the Hague Invasion Act whereby they wil invade the Netherland if any of their own vermin face justice.

Hi to my fellow mongers in these dark times. Stay safe!These are not dark times. Maidan, which you attended was dark times. Nazi snipers, burning trade unionists to death in Odessa.

Paulie97

07-14-22, 22:56

Here's an excerpt.

"But what Russia is doing in Ukraine—specifically what it did on Thursday in the city of Vinnytsia, and in many locations before that—demands to be seen. Because Russia is reserving its most sophisticated weapons to deliberately attack targets unrelated to any military goal, far from the battlefield, for the purpose of maximizing civilian deaths. All war is hell. People, both soldiers and civilians, suffer and die. But what Russia is doing in Ukraine isn't war. It's terrorism. ".

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/14/2110299/-Russia-should-be-designated-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-and-that-s-just-the-start

With that I'm done here for a while so the Russia sympathizers / propaganda spreaders are free to pile on. It's summer. I'm planning a trip down south and have a load of work to do. Let the readers and especially the lurkers decide who has the more accurate and cogent arguments. That's actually who my posts are for, not the handful that have already made up their minds and aren't listening anyway.

Xpartan

07-15-22, 06:49

Here's an excerpt.

"But what Russia is doing in Ukrainespecifically what it did on Thursday in the city of Vinnytsia, and in many locations before thatdemands to be seen. Because Russia is reserving its most sophisticated weapons to deliberately attack targets unrelated to any military goal, far from the battlefield, for the purpose of maximizing civilian deaths. All war is hell. People, both soldiers and civilians, suffer and die. But what Russia is doing in Ukraine isn't war. It's terrorism. ".

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/14/2110299/-Russia-should-be-designated-a-state-sponsor-of-terrorism-and-that-s-just-the-start

With that I'm done here for a while so the Russia sympathizers / propaganda spreaders are free to pile on. It's summer. I'm planning a trip down south and have a load of work to do. Let the readers and especially the lurkers decide who has the more accurate and cogent arguments. That's actually who my posts are for, not the handful that have already made up their minds and aren't listening anyway.Russia is fucked. The HIMARS and other Western weapons have pretty much changed the war. In the last 2 weeks Ukraine armed forces has destroyed two dozens weapon and oil depots and command centers far behind the front lines in the East and South. And there is nothing Russians can do against them. HIMARS are working too good. And that's just 8 HIMARS and a few British GMLRS! Can you imagine when they get 40 or 50? Poor Merdo Immorales et al will have a seizure.

Since there is nothing that Russian (well Soviet) artillery can do on the battlefield, they're doing what they do best. Kill civilians. There is no high-precision weapons they can spare for strikes on residential areas anymore (those have been severely depleted). From what I'm seeing, they just fire old Soviet unguided munitions like howitzers and artillery rockets. The might even aim or claim to aim at military infrastructure targets, but they know they're killing civilians. There is no humanitarian law or treaty that Russia hasn't violated so far. There will be a hell to pay when the time comes.

The Cane

07-15-22, 07:08

Since there is nothing that Russian (well Soviet) artillery can do on the battlefield, they're doing what they do best. Kill civilians. There is no high-precision weapons they can spare for strikes on residential areas anymore (those have been severely depleted). From what I'm seeing, they just fire old Soviet unguided munitions like howitzers and artillery rockets. The might even aim or claim to aim at military infrastructure targets, but they know they're killing civilians. There is no humanitarian law or treaty that Russia hasn't violated so far. There will be a hell to pay when the time comes.Ruskie military doctrine is very simple and easy to understand. If the enemy doesn't roll over and surrender? Then just level the place!

DramaFree11

07-15-22, 17:24

Ruskie military doctrine is very simple and easy to understand. If the enemy doesn't roll over and surrender? Then just level the place!Exactly, but the liberals do not understand this. Just like producing massive amounts of oil would bring down inflation, and bring Putin to his knees. This is common sense, but they would rather throw money and weapons at the war, all this does is keep the conflict going and now Russ is winning, indirectly. Putin can careless about collateral damage.

Ukraine looses either way, but there government is too stupid to realize this. So sad!!

The Mercy Seat

07-15-22, 19:11

Shit scared of Putin? In the 90's?

Check your memory; find your brain.I guess you think about that Putin didn't become president until after 2000. Well he was on the seen before that as Boris Jeltsin man to be. He thought he would follow his path further. Little did he know that Putin tricket him and only agreed to come in power. Jeltsin admitted his mistake very soon after Putin come to power. Other people has always known that Putin was a hardcore KGB man with his own agenda before he came president. This scared people.

The real problem now is that Russia is fucket even if they win this war. Now that they have shown their true face not many countries will have anything to do about them. China might help but it won't be enough for all the loss of BNP that they will have. The standard of living will get worse with time and it will be interesting to see how the russian people will react on the longterm effects.

Xpartan

07-16-22, 00:22

Ruskie military doctrine is very simple and easy to understand. If the enemy doesn't roll over and surrender? Then just level the place!Yes, you're right but with a qualification: if they can.

What we're seeing today in Ukraine is that Russians are having a severe shortage of munitions. And not just high-precision artillery, but regular, old-school Soviet munitions as well. They are forced to fire S300 surface-to-air missiles against land targets. In the meantime, Ukrainians have received high-precision HIMARS and other similar weapons that have allowed them to destroy 2 dozens of high-value Russian targets deep behind the front lines in less than 2 weeks. Also consider this:

1. No one has ever won a war against the whole world.

2. Russians are already forced to take smart chips out of washing machines to use in their artillery.

3. Ukraine has said they've already received longer-range, (up to 300 km), weapons. This is a death sentence to Russian logistics (the ones they received before have the range of 80 km).

4. Russians will keep targeting civilians in attempt to instill a steep price for Ukraine to continue fighting. That's futile. Ukraine will keep fighting because they're smart enough to know they don't have another option. Putin CAN NOT be trusted.

5. I don't believe that Putin and his cronies will resort to using nuclear weapons, BUT.

6. The domestic political situation in Russia will worsen to the point of no return within a year or two, and then anything can happen. The final fall of the Russian Empire will be much bloodier and catastrophic than the collapse of the USSR.

It is what it is. Ukraine didn't start it. The West didn't start it. Putin started it to his own (and his country) detriment.

DramaFree11

07-16-22, 01:05

Yes, you're right but with a qualification: if they can.

What we're seeing today in Ukraine is that Russians are having a severe shortage of munitions. And not just high-precision artillery, but regular, old-school Soviet munitions as well. They are forced to fire S300 surface-to-air missiles against land targets. In the meantime, Ukrainians have received high-precision HIMARS and other similar weapons that have allowed them to destroy 2 dozens of high-value Russian targets deep behind the front lines in less than 2 weeks. Also consider this:

1. No one has ever won a war against the whole world.

2. Russians are already forced to take smart chips out of washing machines to use in their artillery.

3. Ukraine has said they've already received longer-range, (up to 300 km), weapons. This is a death sentence to Russian logistics (the ones they received before have the range of 80 km).

4. Russians will keep targeting civilians in attempt to instill a steep price for Ukraine to continue fighting. That's futile. Ukraine will keep fighting because they're smart enough to know they don't have another option. Putin CAN NOT be trusted.

5. I don't believe that Putin and his cronies will resort to using nuclear weapons, BUT.

6. The domestic political situation in Russia will worsen to the point of no return within a year or two, and then anything can happen. The final fall of the Russian Empire will be much bloodier and catastrophic than the collapse of the USSR.

It is what it is. Ukraine didn't start it. The West didn't start it. Putin started it to his own (and his country) detriment.You are completely delusional. Stop watching CNN.

Elvis 2008

07-16-22, 04:26

Shit scared of Putin? In the 90's?

Check your memory; find your brain.
I guess you think about that Putin didn't become president until after 2000. Well he was on the seen before that as Boris Jeltsin man to be. He thought he would follow his path further. Little did he know that Putin tricket him and only agreed to come in power. Jeltsin admitted his mistake very soon after Putin come to power. Other people has always known that Putin was a hardcore KGB man with his own agenda before he came president. This scared people.When somebody does what Golfinho just did with you, a kill shot, the best move is to not post and come back and spread your bullshit with a different name. You were caught lying. The best move you could have made was say, "Oh, I got the timing wrong. My bad. " Instead, you just dug yourself in deeper by following up your first lie with a second one.

Now do the predictable and attack me. Just stop it. Come back to the discussion with another name. Mercy Seat now means liar.

Elvis 2008

07-16-22, 04:33

5. I don't believe that Putin and his cronies will resort to using nuclear weaponsWhat does "I do not believe" mean percentage wise? 10%? 20%? If it is anything other than a zero or a hair above that, you are out of your effing mind.

WyattEarp

07-16-22, 14:45

The standard of living will get worse with time and it will be interesting to see how the russian people will react on the longterm effects.Sadly for the average Russian, many will just wallow in vodka and pass on at an early age.

PedroMorales

07-16-22, 16:28

DramaFree11

07-16-22, 16:43

What does "I do not believe" mean percentage wise? 10%? 20%? If it is anything other than a zero or a hair above that, you are out of your effing mind.If Putin starts losing or we escalate, he will definitely not stop. He will do what it takes to win. Pauline and Exman are to stupid to realize this, but these guys do not want to negotiate. Great strategy, everyone loses, but the arms dealers and producers.

Xpartan

07-17-22, 06:51

Sadly for the average Russian, many will just wallow in vodka and pass on at an early age.

Alcoholism is way down and life expectancy way up (but not FR Ukrainian Nazi soldiers) since Putin took over. Take your Nazi talk back to Hamburger land.Wow, Merdo isn't lying this time. I know, hard to believe, but true. Life expectancy in Russia is way up compared to 2000's, and the alcohol consumption is down (mainly due to the drug-replacement 'therapy', LOL). It needs to be remembered, however, that Russia holds 103rd place in the world, between Libya and Bangladesh, and besides, all-blown wars historically don't do well for life expectancy.

https://www.infoplease.com/world/health-and-social-statistics/life-expectancy-by-country

Xpartan

07-17-22, 07:30

What does "I do not believe" mean percentage wise? 10%? 20%? If it is anything other than a zero or a hair above that, you are out of your effing mind.Poor Elvis! Do you really believe that we have ever EVER had a zero percent chance of a nuclear war breaking out since July 1945? Please try not to go into the full panic mode, but since the genie got out of the bottle, there hasn't been a single week, day or hour when the chance of a nuclear war was exactly zero.

Now let me explain something to you step by step, just promise not to cry, OK?

The only thing that makes our peaceful lives possible is the MAD doctrine (look it up, I'm not Wiki).

This doctrine has been accepted by all nuclear actors in the world, no matter how bad they were: even Stalin and Mao bad.

Now we have Putin who decides that MAD isn't relevant anymore. That the world can be threatened into submission when he or his agitators are flexing a nuclear muscle. That he can simply bluff his way into making the world do his bidding.

Well, we have nothing without MAD. If MAD doesn't exist anymore, nothing will stop China, India, Pakistan, or North Korea (or Russia again) to get into the game too. And other nations will quadruple their efforts to get such a wonderful ultimate bluffing machine.

All of us who spent their childhoods in a non-white-collar environments know what happens when you capitulate to a bully.

He never stops.

Give him your lunch money, and he'll come for more.

Give Donbass to Putin, and he'll come for the rest of Ukraine.

Give him Ukraine, and he'll come for the Baltic states.

Give him the Baltics, and he'll come for Poland, Czechia and the rest of Eastern Europe.

At some point, you'll have to stop and fight anyway, but we'll be fighting an emboldened and better prepared enemy.

Right now, Ukraine is fighting for us. It's willing to pay with their own blood and it's a huge bargain for us in America and Europe to pay for this fight in money and weaponry rather than our own blood. We must give them everything they need.

And whoever doesn't get a simple fact that Putin must be stopped NOW is either a moron, a traitor, or both.

Elvis 2008

07-17-22, 09:11

Poor Elvis! Do you really believe that we have ever EVER had a zero percent chance of a nuclear war breaking out since July 1945?LOL. Are we talking about my beliefs or yours? You are the one who said I do not believe this proxy war in Ukraine will result in nuclear war. So to clarify, and I should not have to do this except you are such a lunkhead, what percentage does this war in Ukraine add to the chances of nuclear war between us and Russia in your belief?

And no, I do not expect an answer. Your patronizing non-answer answer was to be expected. My question was just to show what an incredibly stupid statement you made. The only reason to risk nuclear war is if our way of life is in imminent danger and saying "I do not believe the risk of nuclear war is increased" is an incredibly arrogant, dangerous, and flippant statement but again, I expect that from you.

Now we have Putin who decides that MAD isn't relevant anymore. That the world can be threatened into submission when he or his agitators are flexing a nuclear muscle. That he can simply bluff his way into making the world do his bidding.WTF are you talking about? Does Ukraine have nuclear weapons? If they do not, then MAD does not apply. Furthermore, if Putin thinks MAD is not relevant and I assume you are saying he is likely to use nuclear weapons, then why has he not? More to the point, you keep saying Ukraine is going to win? How do they win if Russia uses nukes?

Well, we have nothing without MAD. If MAD doesn't exist anymore, nothing will stop China, India, Pakistan, or North Korea (or Russia again) to get into the game too. And other nations will quadruple their efforts to get such a wonderful ultimate bluffing machine.So your solution is what? We nuke those countries before they nuke us? Are you out of your fucking mind?

All of us who spent their childhoods in a non-white-collar environments know what happens when you capitulate to a bully.

He never stops.

Give him your lunch money, and he'll come for more.Well, then it makes little sense to provoke the bully. And when you had your non-white-collar fights, did both sides have nuclear weapons? Or believe they did? That would make the most sense. Did you grow up in a mental institution? Seriously?

And whoever doesn't get a simple fact that Putin must be stopped NOW is either a moron, a traitor, or both.Well, then I suggest you enlist in the fight in Ukraine. But a better suggestion would be to take your dog for a walk, turn off MSNBC and get back on your meds.

Riina

07-17-22, 12:44

Right now, Ukraine is fighting for us.Ukrainians are fighting for us? I guess us is a pussy.

DramaFree11

07-17-22, 15:14

Wow, Merdo isn't lying this time. I know, hard to believe, but true. Life expectancy in Russia is way up compared to 2000's, and the alcohol consumption is down (mainly due to the drug-replacement 'therapy', LOL). It needs to be remembered, however, that Russia holds 103rd place in the world, between Libya and Bangladesh, and besides, all-blown wars historically don't do well for life expectancy.

https://www.infoplease.com/world/health-and-social-statistics/life-expectancy-by-countryXMan are you producer for CNN or MSNBC, you are so wrong. You and a few people that watch these Networks would believe this crap. If you have traveled to Russia you would know this.

DramaFree11

07-17-22, 15:44

LOL. Are we talking about my beliefs or yours? You are the one who said I do not believe this proxy war in Ukraine will result in nuclear war. So to clarify, and I should not have to do this except you are such a lunkhead, what percentage does this war in Ukraine add to the chances of nuclear war between us and Russia in your belief?

And no, I do not expect an answer. Your patronizing non-answer answer was to be expected. My question was just to show what an incredibly stupid statement you made. The only reason to risk nuclear war is if our way of life is in imminent danger and saying "I do not believe the risk of nuclear war is increased" is an incredibly arrogant, dangerous, and flippant statement but again, I expect that from you.

WTF are you talking about? Does Ukraine have nuclear weapons? If they do not, then MAD does not apply. Furthermore, if Putin thinks MAD is not relevant and I assume you are saying he is likely to use nuclear weapons, then why has he not? More to the point, you keep saying Ukraine is going to win? How do they win if Russia uses nukes?

So your solution is what? We nuke those countries before they nuke us? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Well, then it makes little sense to provoke the bully. And when you had your non-white-collar fights, did both sides have nuclear weapons? Or believe they did? That would make the most sense. Did you grow up in a mental institution? Seriously?.Elvis, XMan just makes shit up. I doubt he has been to either place.

DramaFree11

07-17-22, 15:56

Ukrainians are fighting for us? I guess us is a pussy.They are destroying there country and the world economy. Negotiate before it is too late.

Riina

07-17-22, 18:14

Negotiate before it is too late.Submit before it is too late.

Elvis 2008

07-17-22, 19:22

Ukrainians are fighting for us? I guess us is a pussy.Well, Paulie and Xpartan and all the other Democratic hacks are. I voted for Trump not the war mongerer.

But I will support Putin and Xpartan when they join the cause. Hey, Xpartan, Paulie, when you enlist to fight, let me know where you are stationed, and I will send you a case of soup. You guys like Chicken noodle?

Elvis 2008

07-17-22, 19:29

Elvis, XMan just makes shit up. I doubt he has been to either place.Yeah, he is on the side of Israel. Russia helps Syria and that is why Xpartan hates Russia. It is got nothing to do with what is in the USA's best interests.

So with Xpartan, if we risk the odds of nuclear war going up by 10% and it helps Israel, that is worth the gamble which shows you he is not an American first.

Xpartan

07-17-22, 19:39

Have at it, who gives a shit, LOL.

Xpartan

07-17-22, 20:08

When somebody does what Golfinho just did with you, a kill shot, the best move is to not post and come back and spread your bullshit with a different name. You were caught lying. The best move you could have made was say, "Oh, I got the timing wrong. My bad. " Instead, you just dug yourself in deeper by following up your first lie with a second one.

Now do the predictable and attack me. Just stop it. Come back to the discussion with another name. Mercy Seat now means liar.Nope. Here is what means liar.

Condoms don't work for STDs. That's a work of a liar.

Condoms don't work for STDs and here is a fresh article that confirms that condoms don't work for STDs -- while that article is 20-year old and confirms nothing. That's a sign of a liar.

You lie consistently and with gusto trying to overwhelm your opponents with your long-winded, mad, crackpot posts accompanied by articles that are either as crackpot as you are or have nothing to do with the issue at hand. That's a stamp of a liar.

"Putin in the 90's" is not a lie, it's an honest mistake that doesn't negate anything else Mercy Seat said.

But clinging to every typo, misspell and innocent error of your opponent is exactly what liars do. What you do, Elvis.

Elvis 2008

07-17-22, 23:55

Nope. Here is what means liar.

Condoms don't work for STDs. That's a work of a liar.

Condoms don't work for STDs and here is a fresh article that confirms that condoms don't work for STDs -- while that article is 20-year old and confirms nothing. That's a sign of a liar.LOL. I do not think anyone wants to debate condoms here. And I have to admit your article, which does not exist and you did not link, ranks up there with all of your other proof.

And how am I lying if I link evidence to support my POV? Or is that the technique you use on Palestinians? You are lying! Your links are no good! Only Israeli links count!

You lie consistently and with gusto trying to overwhelm your opponents with your long-winded, mad, crackpot posts accompanied by articles that are either as crackpot as you are or have nothing to do with the issue at hand.Oh no, I think condoms are really relevant to this discussion / sarc.

"Putin in the 90's" is not a lie, it's an honest mistake that doesn't negate anything else Mercy Seat said.
Mercy Seat did not correct anything. MS said that the Europeans were in fact afraid of Putin and his expansionary plans in the 90's. So you are lying about MS lying. MS's position is so crazy though you want to change the facts to agree with him though.

I am shocked, shocked you did not answer my questions. Take my advice. Turn off the TV, Go walk your dog, get back on your meds, and quit arguing for war.

DramaFree11

07-18-22, 02:16

Submit before it is too late.You were delusional before the war, why change now. We're is your loser friend Photo Sl? he is even more whacked out then you and Rog.

Riina

07-18-22, 16:29

You were delusional before the war, why change now. We're is your loser friend Photo Sl? he is even more whacked out then you and Rog.I talked about pussy and crooked Ukrainians in the past, but was disturbed by the propaganda here to March beautiful young men to their death.

Golfinho

07-18-22, 17:06

so crazy though you want to change the facts to agree with him though.
I am shocked, shocked you did not answer my questions. Take my advice. Turn off the TV, Go walk your dog, get back on your meds, and quit arguing for war.To that character, it must be explained at his level of understanding.

https://youtu.be/3_hjzrhWkzs

PedroMorales

07-22-22, 18:02

Some 300 Nazis of the Black Hundred group hiding in a school in the city of Kramatros were blasted into eternity by the Russian Armed Forces. More meat to go around.

Xpartan

07-23-22, 08:11

Some 300 Nazis of the Black Hundred group hiding in a school in the city of Kramatros were blasted into eternity by the Russian Armed Forces. More meat to go around.1. Russian fascists destroyed a school, killing at least 3 people and wounding scores more.

2. The Black Hundred was an anti-Semitic paramilitary organization in Tsarist Russia that organized hundreds of Jewish pogroms from late 1800's to early 1900's. It was tacitly supported by the so-called Okhranka -- Russia's Security Service back then. The Black Hundred doesn't exist anymore, whether in Russia or Ukraine. In other words, our brazenly open anti-Semite Merdo is using the name of a defunct anti-Semitic armed formation to advance his hateful anti-Ukrainian narrative. Oh the irony.

3. The lie about 300 Nazis in Kramatorsk was disseminated by the Russia's ministry of defense after their missiles yet again destroyed a civilian building, although even they didn't use the words Nazis or Black Hundred in their press-release. That's Merdo's own contribution to his personal Russia's war effort.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/22/russia-strikes-school-kramatorsky-donetsk-ukraine-reports

Riina

07-23-22, 18:36

I'm guessing two weeks before the Russians are at the river.

Xpartan

07-23-22, 23:40

Questner

07-24-22, 01:35

Despite signing a grain export deal yesterday, Russia hit the port of Odessa with two missiles (a few other missiles were downed by the Ukraine air defense system).

Attacking Odessa ports used for grain export is a direct violation of the deal.

Why, oh why no one in their sound mind can trust anything Russia says and anything it signs?

Got to be russophobia, what else can it be?Go away with your ignorant trolling. You have not read two bilateral agreements. Moreover, you have no stake in the conflict. Without folks like yourself there would have never even been such a conflict. Everything your country touches turns into rot and death. Go away.

DramaFree11

07-24-22, 03:14

Paulie97

07-24-22, 03:47

Go away with your ignorant trolling. You have not read two bilateral agreements. Moreover, you have no stake in the conflict. Without folks like yourself there would have never even been such a conflict. Everything your country touches turns into rot and death. Go away.You go away twerp. This is a decades long, long established American owned website forum from the early 1990's until now. You wouldn't have a place to post your Russo propping rubbish if not for us and our principles of free speech. These are the same principles Central and Eastern Europe want as opposed to the dark world of Putin and what they suffered under the USSR. Move to Russia and run your mouth in anyway outside the parameters of govt propaganda and spend 15 years breaking rocks in Siberia.

P.S. Russia has been breaking agreements all along, is why they call this war a "special military operation." And yes bombing port cities is at odds with the grain agreement. That's not to mention the war crimes involved with the targeting and executing of civilians as well as deportations and modern day concentration camps.

PedroMorales

07-24-22, 11:38

Elvis 2008

07-24-22, 19:40

https://cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/what-makes-biden-so-pugnacious

When Russian President Vladimir Putin built up forces outside Ukraine and asked repeatedly for assurances that Ukraine would not be brought into NATO, an alliance aimed at Russia, the Biden administration refused.

The February invasion followed, and among Biden's subsequent threats, his call for the removal of Putin was virtually declared a war aim.

I like the Australian journalist who said that Americans like Biden do not give a damn about the Ukrainian people.

We saw the real reason for this war last week.

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-great-american-military-rebrand?r=5mz1&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Fast forward to last week. As January 6th hearings, a presidential fist-bump, and a Kardashian spawn's gender reveal gobbled attention, the House quietly passed a monster $839 billion defense package. It was "the definition of a bipartisan bill," chirped Alabama's Mike Rogers, as 180 Democrats and 149 Republicans joined to smash by tens of billions previous records for military spending. With this already underreported story, just one news outlet, Roll Call, described a "first of its kind" report published by the Department of Defense Comptroller's office, which revealed at least $58 billion of "congressional additions" above Joe Biden's budget request.

Both the triumphant return of the earmark and the enormous defense hike should have been big stories. To put $58 billion (at least) in defense "increases" in context, the amount of overall federal earmarks in 2006, the infamous year that prompted so much outrage, was said to be $26 billion. Meanwhile Biden's one-year arms increase exceeds the pace of Donald Trump's infamous $200 billion collective defense hike between 2017-2019. These are major surges past the levels of both pork and weapons spending that had progressives roaring for "change," yet there's almost zero outcry now. Why?

So war is good again.

Riina

07-25-22, 02:51

This is a decades long, long established American owned website forum from the early 1990's until now. You wouldn't have a place to post your Russo propping rubbish if not for us and our principles of free speech.I'm pretty sure the servers here are in eastern Europe. I guess we're not free enough.

Questner

07-25-22, 03:04

Exactly he is idiot. He hates everything. War is Hell, but he does not want to negotiate.My mistake was to reply to BM on my own Ignore list as I scrolled without prior logging in. At least 'stupid' threads may allow to post opinions with less risk of being deleted by a moderator.

Golfinho

07-25-22, 10:39

You go away twerp. This is a decades long, long established American owned website forum from the early 1990's until now. You wouldn't have a place to post your Russo propping rubbish if not for us and our principles of free speech. These are the same principles Central and Eastern Europe want as opposed to the dark world of Putin and what they suffered under the USSR. Move to Russia and run your mouth in anyway outside the parameters of govt propaganda and spend 15 years breaking rocks in Siberia.

P.S. Russia has been breaking agreements all along, is why they call this war a "special military operation." And yes bombing port cities is at odds with the grain agreement. That's not to mention the war crimes involved with the targeting and executing of civilians as well as deportations and modern day concentration camps.You poor, deluded thing. What color's the sky where you are?

DramaFree11

07-25-22, 14:54

Xpartan

07-25-22, 22:38

Well said. There are a group of spammers here, either paid by Israel or just dumb as American Democrats (think of all the wars they have foisted on us). So folks, what are we getting here?

Tu quoque (Latin Tū quoque, for "you also") is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, therefore accusing hypocrisy. This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack. The Oxford English Dictionary cites John Cooke's 1614 stage play The Cittie Gallant as the earliest use of the term in the English language. "Whataboutism" is one particularly well known modern instance of this technique.

Whataboutism or whataboutery denotes in a pejorative sense a procedure in which a critical question or argument is not answered or discussed, but retorted with a critical counter-question which expresses a counter-accusation. From a logical and argumentative point of view it is considered a variant of the Tu-quoque pattern (Latin 'you too', term for a counter-accusation), which is a subtype of the Ad-hominem argument.Easy-peasy.

Xpartan

07-25-22, 22:49

Well said. There are a group of spammers here, either paid by Israel or just dumb as American Democrats (think of all the wars they have foisted on us). They are here to defend actual Nazis and to pretend Odessa is an open city. Ukrainian soldiers are being slaughtered because of these criminals.So what happens when the most despicable Russian shill Merdo Immorales gets caught on 3 vicious lies.

He finds nothing better to do but accuse me of a) getting paid by Israel or b) being a dumb American Democrat.

Well, folks, I must say: Dumbo, pardon me, Merdo didn't think it through (well, he never does).

If he did, he would ask himself or some father figure like Golfinho or Elvis, why the state of Israel would pay me to tarnish (LOL) that impeccable reputation of Russia and its Eternal Leader. Israel works harder than ever to maintain good relationship with Russia (which, unfortunately, can't be helped considering Middle East's geopolitical realities).

I mean, why Israel? Maybe I'm getting paid by America, UK, EU, Japan, Australia, or the United Federation of the Terra Excelsior Republic (yeah, look it up)?

But no, it's got to be Israel. Just like Merdo has got to be Merdo.

As for being a dumb American Democrat, that won't fly either. Americans disgust for Putin and his war is bipartisan. Remember these beautiful American HIMARS that Ukrainians have been using to blow Russian arms and fuel depots to high heaven? That's what bipartisan means. Land lease. Yeah, baby.

I mean, there aren't many deviants like you, Drama Queen, Golfinho or Elvis. Seriously. I know you go to forums and people like you are everywhere, but that's only because you guys are scared of sunlight, LOL.

The thing is, unlike you, I can't be completely sure that you're a paid shill for Russia. I mean, you talk like a paid shill, walk like a paid shill, quack like a paid shill, but are you a paid shill? I just don't have the facts.

You may be a fascist. Or a Nazi. There is a difference, like between HIV and AIDS. In that case, your adoration of Putin is natural. Organic even.

Or you may be a sadist deriving pleasure every time Ukrainian men, women and children are murdered.

Or you may be both.

Or you may be a sadistic fascist paid shill -- who says you can't take pleasure from your job, right?

Zig heil, tovarisch.

WyattEarp

07-26-22, 17:21

When Russian President Vladimir Putin built up forces outside Ukraine and asked repeatedly for assurances that Ukraine would not be brought into NATO, an alliance aimed at Russia, the Biden administration refusedThis continues to be a massive oversimplification to shoe horn into a narrative. Before the Ukraine invasion, I think NATO members were either looking to wind down or at a minimum redirect their focus away from the East.

In any event, was NATO really a direct threat to Russia or was it actually a threat to Russia's ability to try to reassemble parts of the Russian empire? We also have the Russian military continually encroaching on their neighbors' territory throughout the 2000's. If the Russians aren't stepping over borders, they are meddling in their neighbors' politics.

Let's pack all the baggage, shall we.

Elvis 2008

07-26-22, 20:39

Why Ukraine would risk everything over joining a corrupt organization,(NAtO), beats me. They can have NATO, we should pull out, let Ukraine have NATO. Ukraine Government and NATO are a match made in heaven, they deserve each other.

Ukraine government should have been focused on fixing their own corruption and finding common ground with Putin, too easy.DF, only thing I can think of is the Ukrainians at the top were looking to cash in on USA Aid. Glenn Greenwald had someone on his podcast who said the USA defense contractors used Afghanistan to launder money and that is gone now. Now I guess they will use Ukraine. The money being thrown at the defense industry now is fucking nuts.

Yeah, I want out of NATO too. What return do we get on our investment? Russia is a joke. China is the real threat.

Xpartan

07-27-22, 06:52

This continues to be a massive oversimplification to shoe horn into a narrative. Before the Ukraine invasion, I think NATO members were either looking to wind down or at a minimum redirect their focus away from the East.

In any event, was NATO really a direct threat to Russia or was it actually a threat to Russia's ability to try to reassemble parts of the Russian empire? We also have the Russian military continually encroaching on their neighbors' territory throughout the 2000's. If the Russians aren't stepping over borders, they are meddling in their neighbors' politics.

Let's pack all the baggage, shall we.Precisely! The reason Ukrainians want to join NATO is the same reason why all former Russia's vassals wanted to be in NATO -- to get protected from the Evil Empire. Nothing more, nothing less.

How many times after the WW2 the Russian Army has marched on? Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Poland, Chechnya (that was an internal and controversial affair, but still), Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine.

8 years ago when he attacked Ukraine for the first time, it would've been easy to stop him. Our collective weakness has turned Putin into a mad lunatic. Now we're having what we're having -- all blown war. I can only hope we don't give up again.

WyattEarp

07-27-22, 15:40

Yeah, I want out of NATO too. What return do we get on our investment? Russia is a joke. China is the real threat.I agree with this to some extent. The Europeans clearly have the wherewithal to defend themselves and tend to their corner of the world. The Europeans should take primary ownership of NATO.

I think the real reason the USA Still maintains a European presence is that NATO has given our leaders a continuing excuse to maintain a large, standing army abroad. As you seem to believe, Putin might feel threatened by NATO but the current purpose of USA Troops in Europe is to have a standby army near the oil fields of the Mideast. The USA Army in Europe could possibly be re-positioned later in the Asia Pacific region.

I don't know what historical global strategist first said that the problem with a large, standing army is that you tend to want to use it. This has certainly been the United States' failing.

You might not notice, but I don't care for black & white narratives in global analysis. I almost always find it is too simplistic and is used to reach a preconceived perspective. I'm also not one of these guys thinking the Ukraine is easily going to run Russia out, trigger the end of the Putin regime and it will be a great ending to the conflict.

Travv

07-27-22, 18:38

Elderly flee press gangs.

Ukrainian nursing home operators are reporting a surge in walk-offs due to elders' fears that Zelensky's increasingly desperate recruiting efforts will target them next.

75-year-old retiree Cadger Starets, who recently went AWOL from the Kladovyshche Nursing Home in Kiev, explained during an interview at an undisclosed location: "They're already grabbing 50-year-olds off the streets, beaches, shopping malls, 'checkpoints, gas stations and other public places. ' Looks like they're coming for us next. ".

Specifically, Zelensky said, old folks who are wheelchair-bound or severely mobility-impaired will be exempt. Those using walkers or canes, however, may still be drafted, as well as those unable to control excretory functions: "All of our troops lose control of excretory functions during Russian artillery strikes, so that shouldn't be an issue. " Likewise, dementia will not be an obstacle to induction to military service: "If it doesn't stop you from being president of the United States, it shouldn't stop you from dying on the front lines of a stupid, utterly unnecessary war. "

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/07/26/zelenskys-conscription-now-targeting-nursing-homes/

Paulie97

07-27-22, 19:54

This continues to be a massive oversimplification to shoe horn into a narrative. Before the Ukraine invasion, I think NATO members were either looking to wind down or at a minimum redirect their focus away from the East.

In any event, was NATO really a direct threat to Russia or was it actually a threat to Russia's ability to try to reassemble parts of the Russian empire? We also have the Russian military continually encroaching on their neighbors' territory throughout the 2000's. If the Russians aren't stepping over borders, they are meddling in their neighbors' politics.

Let's pack all the baggage, shall we.It's just a rehash of Russian propaganda that Elvis was spoonfed watching Tucker Carlson. He's regurgitating it here and isn't capable of anything more. For one thing Biden lacks the authority to exclude any European country from ever joining NATO as this is against the provisions of the treaty and open door policy. Any Euro nation can seek membership, and it comes down to qualifications, not what a tyrant demands. To even begin to try and yield to such nonsense would set a horrible precedent. The demands would keep coming.

The bottom line is that Russia needed reasons for the invasion to spin in their media, so they created a "crisis" with this demand they knew would be rejected. The bottom line though is exactly what you said, they are out to rebuild empire, and especially want the valuable Ukrainian industries, farmlands, and sea ports. This while they specifically stated they aren't concerned about Finland joining the alliance, a country they share a 1340 Km border with.

Travv

07-27-22, 20:24

Ukrainian nursing home operators are reporting a surge in walk-offs due to elders' fears that Zelensky's increasingly desperate recruiting efforts will target them next.

75-year-old retiree Cadger Starets, who recently went AWOL from the Kladovyshche Nursing Home in Kiev, explained during an interview at an undisclosed location: "They're already grabbing 50-year-olds off the streets, beaches, shopping malls, 'checkpoints, gas stations and other public places. ' Looks like they're coming for us next. ".

Ukrainian President Vlodomyr Zelensky denied reports that militarily unfit old people are next in line for the press gang treatment. "We understand that some nursing home residents have severe disabilities that prevent them from firing heavy artillery for a few minutes until they are blown up," the heroic piano-playing president intoned. "Our recruiters have been trained to identify those cases and exempt them from military service. Only fully able, fit, militarily-trainable decrepit old farts will be forcibly inducted and sent to the front lines. ".

Specifically, Zelensky said, old folks who are wheelchair-bound or severely mobility-impaired will be exempt. Those using walkers or canes, however, may still be drafted, as well as those unable to control excretory functions: "All of our troops lose control of excretory functions during Russian artillery strikes, so that shouldn't be an issue. " Likewise, dementia will not be an obstacle to induction: "If it doesn't stop you from being president of the United States, it shouldn't stop you from dying on the front lines of a stupid, utterly unnecessary war. ".

Zelensky added that his sugar daddy Igor Kolomoyskyi, who turns 60 next February, works in an essential industry, organized crime, and will therefore be granted a draft exemption. . .

Comments: Good way to solve the pension shortfall crisis! Send draft notices to all social security recipients then ship them off to the trenches to face the Russian artillery barrages! LOL.

Paulie97

07-27-22, 22:54

It's time to torpedo another piece of Russo propaganda while we're at it. The claim Russia was given assurances of no NATO expansion at the fall of the Berlin Wall is nonsense. For one thing the Warsaw Pact was still in place so there would have been no point in discussing the fates of nations beyond Germany. Such was never on the table. The subject never came up as Mikail Gorbachev confirmed. The subject of NATO's enlargement "was not discussed at all. Not a single Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn't bring it up, either. " Troop deployment in the former East Germany was all that was considered.

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-the-history-behind-russias-claim-that-nato-promised-not-to-expand-to-the-east-177085

This issue has been covered a number of times before on the thread, however since there's always Johnny come latelys who show up with the same specious arguments that were shot down in the past. It thus has to be done all over again. Such is the circular nature of political discussions for anyone that stays in them for any length time.

But it is important to state again, for anyone who wishes to turn it into a referendum on Biden and Democrats that support for Ukraine is quite bi-partisan, with only 11 Republican senators voting against the latest aid package to Ukraine. Therefore most Republican lawmakers aren't buying Russian propaganda and aren't letting Tucker Carlson do their thinking for them. That's a very good thing and gives cause for hope for American democracy.

PedroMorales

07-27-22, 23:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2wPJ51pdw

American filth are looking to have a drug tsarina and a spy released. One of the reasons Americans (and Israel, two cheeks) are the filth of the world. The spammers here are the reason 1. The moderator has these quarantined threads; 2. These quarantined threads are stupid shit. Unless Russia gets a favourable deal, these American criminals should pay in full for their crimes. Americans do not belong in Europe, except in gulags.

DramaFree11

07-28-22, 03:05

Paulie97

07-28-22, 03:18

I agree with this to some extent. The Europeans clearly have the wherewithal to defend themselves and tend to their corner of the world. The Europeans should take primary ownership of NATO. We are involved in NATO for the simple reason to support our allies while we are an economic powerhouse and by far the primary nuclear power. Putin would love nothing more than for us to withdraw so he can further run roughshod in his region of the world. As to China, their nuclear capabilities are far less than that of Russia. Russia's is actually greater than the US by a small margin. China also hasn't been involved in a war on it's own since the Sino-Vietnamese conflict of 1979. They are primarily about economic advancement, and keeping good relations with a united US / EU will trump any lip service given to Russia.

You might not notice, but I don't care for black & white narratives in global analysis. I almost always find it is too simplistic and is used to reach a preconceived perspective. I'm also not one of these guys thinking the Ukraine is easily going to run Russia out, trigger the end of the Putin regime and it will be a great ending to the conflict.Well there's a respectable endeavor which involves seeking to see all sides. Then there's a wishy washiness that's talking out of both sides of your mouth. That's what I see a lot with your posts on this subject and this attempted love in with Elvis, a person who openly supported the violence against the US capital saying it "should have been worse," along with stolen election lies and is an apologist for Vladimir Putin. But I'm afraid this one is the closest we've seen to black and white since Hitler. We have a tyrant manufacturing justifications for invasions and land grabs while targeting, murdering, executing civilians, with deportations and "filtering centers" / concentration camps for those who survive. There was no provocation whatsoever. The only threat was the interest in democracy in a country he sought to control.

As to anyone thinking Ukraine is going to have an easy time on the battlefield and live happily ever after, who the fuck has made that argument? Rofl Given the propensity toward straw men you and Elvis should get a long well. Enjoy the love in.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

P.S. Jmsuttr's posts are missed, but I can see why he dropped out. The pro-Russia crowd for whatever reason is very much the majority in the free for all threads on this pay for sex site, whatever that means. Going in circles with them daily, and for no pay is hardly worth the effort. Thankfully such traitors are very much the minority in the US, Western Europe, and certainly in NATO Eastern Euro countries. Ultimately that's what's most important.

Paulie97

07-28-22, 04:01

Based on a wealth of research See imbedded links within the article. Here's a sample.

"Despite Putin's delusions of self-sufficiency and import substitution, Russian domestic production has come to a complete standstill with no capacity to replace lost businesses, products and talent; the hollowing out of Russia's domestic innovation and production base has led to soaring prices and consumer angst.

—As a result of the business retreat, Russia has lost companies representing 40% of its GDP, reversing nearly all of three decades' worth of foreign investment and buttressing unprecedented simultaneous capital and population flight in a mass exodus of Russia's economic base.

—Putin is resorting to patently unsustainable, dramatic fiscal and monetary intervention to smooth over these structural economic weaknesses, which has already sent his government budget into deficit for the first time in years and drained his foreign reserves even with high energy prices – and Kremlin finances are in much, much more dire straits than conventionally understood."

https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/chief-executive-leadership-institute-research-insights-business-retreats-and-sanctions

Paulie97

07-28-22, 04:59

Precisely! The reason Ukrainians want to join NATO is the same reason why all former Russia's vassals wanted to be in NATO -- to get protected from the Evil Empire. Nothing more, nothing less.That's 100% true and simple enough for a 4th grader to understand. Even Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Tucker Carlson are smart enough to understand it. But it can't be entertained because it conflicts with their white nationalist, isolationist agenda that calls on the US to withdraw from the world stage. Putin would love that, and it's why they are on the same team.

You know an argument can be made to seize Rupert Murdock's assets and shut down Fox News since certain guests, and especially Carlson, are allowed to freely disseminate information easily confirmed as false that supports and gives comfort to our enemy. This was done in the lead up to and during WW II while Nazi sympathizing organizations like the German American Bund were dissolved. Here's an article that makes the argument. I'm personally not ready for that step but it's something to keep on the back burner. Fox deals heavily in Kremlin propaganda, and this is at odds with our national security. Here's a sample:

"Russia would never give genuine western journalists airtime. But it can always find a slot for its favourite quisling: Fox News's Tucker Carlson. He pushes out Russian propaganda lines or perhaps creates his own lies for Russia to use. Ukraine, not Russia, is the real tyranny. Nato provoked poor Vladimir Putin. The west is plotting to use biological weapons. Last week, he floated the theory that the war was not the result of an unprovoked invasion by a colonialist dictatorship but of the Biden administration's desire to avenge Donald Trump's victory in 2016.

It was a big hit in Moscow, reported BuzzFeed's Julia Davis. "State TV propagandists loved it so much, Russia's 60 Minutes included it not once, but twice in their evening broadcast – neatly bookended by the Kremlin's war propaganda."

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/07/fox-new-deals-in-kremlin-propaganda-freeze-rupert-murdochs-assets

Elvis 2008

07-28-22, 13:54

It's just a rehash of Russian propaganda that Elvis was spoonfed watching Tucker Carlson. He's regurgitating it here and isn't capable of anything more. For one thing Biden lacks the authority to exclude any European country from ever joining NATO as this is against the provisions of the treaty and open door policy.https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/17/ugnk-m17.html.

For a new country to join NATO, all 30 member states must be unanimous in supporting it.

And realistically speaking, if the USA which pays the most into NATO said no to Ukraine coming in, it would not happen. Hell, Turkey was going to prevent Sweden and Finland from coming in.

I am not being spoon fed anything but you are. Was this a lie you came up with on your own or were you spoon fed it by MSNBC, NYT, WaPO?

Travv

07-28-22, 16:04

Wonder what Washington DCs reaction would be if Mexico or Cuba had allied with the USSR and had build nuclear armed missile sites and bioweapons labs near the USA. Think there are a number of movies about this scenario, such as 13 Days In November about the Cuban missile crisis. Ukraine is not a vital interest to American citizens and not worth risking a nuclear war. If you feel it is a vital interest, go join the Ukrainian Legion at the Ukie Embassy and leave the rest of us out of the nuclear brinkmanship!

That's 100% true and simple enough for a 4th grader to understand. Even Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Tucker Carlson are smart enough to understand it. But it can't be entertained because it conflicts with their white nationalist, isolationist agenda that calls on the US to withdraw from the world stage. Putin would love that, and it's why they are on the same team.

You know an argument can be made to seize Rupert Murdock's assets and shut down Fox News since certain guests, and especially Carlson, are allowed to freely disseminate information easily confirmed as false that supports and gives comfort to our enemy. This was done in the lead up to and during WW II while Nazi sympathizing organizations like the German American Bund were dissolved. Here's an article that makes the argument. I'm personally not ready for that step but it's something to keep on the back burner. Fox deals heavily in Kremlin propaganda, and this is at odds with our national security. Here's a sample:

"Russia would never give genuine western journalists airtime. But it can always find a slot for its favourite quisling: Fox News's Tucker Carlson. He pushes out Russian propaganda lines or perhaps creates his own lies for Russia to use. Ukraine, not Russia, is the real tyranny. Nato provoked poor Vladimir Putin. The west is plotting to use biological weapons. Last week, he floated the theory that the war was not the result of an unprovoked invasion by a colonialist dictatorship but of the Biden administration's desire to avenge Donald Trump's victory in 2016.

The Cane

07-28-22, 18:55

PedroMorales

07-28-22, 21:44

Just throw bodies at them. This is how the Ruskies do. Leave their dead upon the field of battle too. The only ones better at running up a willfully high body count are the Japanese. Why they beat Russia one-on-one. Who is willing to sacrifice the most lives in order to prevail?

https://www.aol.com/news/russia-suffered-estimated-75-000-150659330.htmlThe Japanese were great hand to hand fighters as the American vermin they dispatched across the Pacific found out. That was due to their training in kendo. Japan's losses were down to a variety of factors, mostly lack of supplies (the blockade started the war) and bad CC&see. The USA bombed Iraq and raped Iraqi children because of weapons of mass destructions. Send your rapists to Ukraine and see what happens to them.

Ukraine is like most countries in that American filth know nothing about it. It is Zelensky's fodder who are getting minced. Artillery and missiles then to do that. Opinion is turning in Europe and hopefully, soon it will be open season. Fuck off and read your Vogue magazine.

The Cane

07-29-22, 01:43

The Japanese were great hand to hand fighters as the American vermin they dispatched across the Pacific found out.Who were the vermin needing to be burned out of their rat holes? Yep, that's what I thought: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftCUztfzcxA. And how were Japanese losses compared to American loses? Yep, exactly what I recalled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftCUztfzcxA. But it's all neither here nor there. Because it's Ruskie losses that we want to know about! In the end maybe they shall prevail. But only at a horrific loss of Ruskie aggressor lives!

The Cane

07-29-22, 14:43

That's the way the Kremlin crumbles!

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-economy-imploding-sweeping-sanctions-corporate-exodus-yale-study-2022-7?amp

WyattEarp

07-29-22, 16:03

We are involved in NATO for the simple reason to support our allies while we are an economic powerhouse and by far the primary nuclear power. Putin would love nothing more than for us to withdraw so he can further run roughshod in his region of the world. As to China, their nuclear capabilities are far less than that of Russia. Russia's is actually greater than the US by a small margin. China also hasn't been involved in a war on it's own since the Sino-Vietnamese conflict of 1979. They are primarily about economic advancement, and keeping good relations with a united US / EU will trump any lip service given to Russia.

Well there's a respectable endeavor which involves seeking to see all sides. Then there's a wishy washiness that's talking out of both sides of your mouth. That's what I see a lot with your posts on this subject and this attempted love in with Elvis, a person who openly supported the violence against the US capital saying it "should have been worse," along with stolen election lies and is an apologist for Vladimir Putin. But I'm afraid this one is the closest we've seen to black and white since Hitler. We have a tyrant manufacturing justifications for invasions and land grabs while targeting, murdering, executing civilians, with deportations and "filtering centers" / concentration camps for those who survive. There was no provocation whatsoever. The only threat was the interest in democracy in a country he sought to control.

As to anyone thinking Ukraine is going to have an easy time on the battlefield and live happily ever after, who the fuck has made that argument? Rofl Given the propensity toward straw men you and Elvis should get a long well. Enjoy the love in.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

P.S. Jmsuttr's posts are missed, but I can see why he dropped out. The pro-Russia crowd for whatever reason is very much the majority in the free for all threads on this pay for sex site, whatever that means. Going in circles with them daily, and for no pay is hardly worth the effort. Thankfully such traitors are very much the minority in the US, Western Europe, and certainly in NATO Eastern Euro countries. Ultimately that's what's most important.It's seems like you cherry pick posts and use your own straw man approach. It would indeed make you the smartest person on any forum you participate if you arguing with a position and person that you have created. I think more than likely you jump in and out of threads and think you have everyone categorized. "Ah-ha! This Wyatt guy is in bed with Elvis. ".

I have criticized Elvis extensively here. However, I don't think he is one of the garden variety Russia lovers here. It's very possible that he watches too much Fox News and can't appreciate their prime time line-up is entertainment. We can get into all the political baggage about Trump, Russia, Biden, Ukraine, et cetera and grind the thread into the ground. I myself don't think any of the somewhat conspiratorial theses really hold up consistently. Tucker Carlson is a circus clown. I don't watch, but it can be entertainment if you view it as such. I would liken him to MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. She can spin a yarn that can make your head spin and enrage any self-respecting liberal. Yikes is all I have to say.

As far as unpacking your specific points, I am an American and in my opinion we don't need 12 military bases, 90,000 troops and the Sixth Fleet patrolling the Mediterranean to counter Russian aggression. As I pointed out in simple math, Germany alone could easily field a land-based army that would be very capable of turning back the Russians on the ground in the event of an attack on NATO allies. This isn't even counting Britain, France and several smaller economies with an effective military.

Your point about Russian nuclear capabilities is interesting, but why can't the United States contribute less men and equipment while contributing the nuclear deterrence to NATO without all the troops and bases? I assure you this will keep being discussed in our domestic politics in the next several years. If you take away Russia's nuclear force, their European land army and air force leave a lot to be desired. Their effectiveness or lack thereof in the Ukraine is a case and point.

I hope you are right about China. China is at an evolution in their autocracy where they will want to flex their muscle. Historically China has not been interested in a global military preeminence, but certainly have wanted to have more influence in the Western Pacific. Claiming the waters of the South China Sea and building airstrips there are aggressive actions. A simple look at the region on a map in relation to the Chinese mainland shows the hostile nature of the moves. Then you have China looking for allies in the South Pacific island chains to develop naval ports just north of Australia. China can project power in their region in a way Russia can only dream about.

Jmsuttr frequently posted articles that described an ailing, close to dying Putin and / or a Russian regime crumbling from within. I have simply said you would not want to encourage a long, protracted conflict in the Ukraine based on this hope that this could be the end result. The outcome to the war brings a lot of uncertainty. IMHO, he would get noticeably irritated with this perspective. My clearest point is that wars bring on massive uncertainty as to their end. Does one have to be 110% committed to supporting the war until every last Russian soldier evacuates the Ukraine or else be labeled a Russia sympathizer?

Wars are messy. Peace is messier. There's plenty of examples where wars became long, grinding stalemates and no one got what they wanted in the end. Even after the war, it's very possible that the Ukraine-Russia border will look like other conflict borders where there is a constant state of hostility and continuing skirmishes. Russia isn't just going to pack up and say "my bad". Yes, it sucks for the Ukraine, but I don't think anything else is realistically possible. A regime change could change things, but even that might not bring a lasting peace.

I personally hope the West has the last laugh one day with a prosperous Ukraine looking westward.

The Cane

07-29-22, 18:33

And for the record: http://www.pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/a/Casualties.htm.

Socker

07-30-22, 02:14

I am an American and in my opinion we don't need 12 military bases, 90,000 troops and the Sixth Fleet patrolling the Mediterranean to counter Russian aggression. As I pointed out in simple math, Germany alone could easily field a land-based army that would be very capable of turning back the Russians on the ground in the event of an attack on NATO allies. This isn't even counting Britain, France and several smaller economies with an effective military.

Your point about Russian nuclear capabilities is interesting, but why can't the United States contribute less men and equipment while contributing the nuclear deterrence to NATO without all the troops and bases? I assure you this will keep being discussed in our domestic politics in the next several years. If you take away Russia's nuclear force, their European land army and air force leave a lot to be desired. Their effectiveness or lack thereof in the Ukraine is a case and point.Tucker's the ONLY Fox talking head dead set against the Ukrainian proxy war. Many of Tucker's guest are why Tucker's show is Fox's top rated. He is inclined to exaggerate and spotlight fringe issues to provoke the viewership but he doesn't need to lie. The truth nowadays is hard enough to believe so no need to lie. Filter out the exaggerations and occasional Covid rants and he's very good.

Like you, Tucker's against fighting Russia directly through Ukraine's army. I believe it's a half proxy war and very different from the quintessential proxy war when we funded terrorist in Syria against Putin's Assad in 2012. How much of Syria's big cities are left after we failed to dislodge Assad? And what will be left of Ukraine when the big powers decide they've had enough. We'll be super lucky if the conflict doesn't spread and wreck everyone's plans and we're due for a big one.

I like your post and a few others here but knocking Tucker and then mirroring his pov was unusual. Tucker is anti Ukraine war and for good reason. Cheers.

Xpartan

07-30-22, 03:40

Yesterday Russian liberators murdered over 50 Ukrainian POWs in Elenovka.

There is also 2 graphic videos showing Russian soldiers castrating and shooting a Ukrainian POW presumably in Severodonetsk.

In other words, business as usual. The denazification of Ukraine is in full swing.

Elvis 2008

07-30-22, 05:50

I think more than likely you jump in and out of threads and think you have everyone categorized. "Ah-ha! This Wyatt guy is in bed with Elvis. ".

I have criticized Elvis extensively here. However, I don't think he is one of the garden variety Russia lovers here.Yeah, the problem with Pauline is that he goes after anyone who does not parrot the bullshit Democratic narrative. When I said the travel ban Colombia implemented with Covid was a waste of time, Pauline said that I wanted cheap pussy over dead Colombians. Of course, the travel ban did jack shit with Colombia and the spread of Covid, and the lockdowns implemented were a fucking disaster.

And the lockdowns led to more serious infections down the line; "This positive collateral effect in the short term is welcome, as it prevents additional overload of the healthcare system," But in the long term, it can create problems of its own: if bacterial and viral infections aren't circulating among children, they don't develop immunity, which leads to larger outbreaks down the line.

And Pauline's response to being wrong with Russiagate, lockdowns, travel bans, and Ukrainegate? Gilda Radner said it best. Never mind! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZLeaSWY37I.

Without Russiagate and Ukrainegate, would 1-6 have happened? Probably not. Hell, the Dems were plotting to get rid of Trump the day he stepped into office.

Thing is the Democrat's pet, Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, said that Putin would not have invaded Ukriaine if Trump were still president. Given the debacles and loss of life in Ukraine and Afghanistan, I would ask all Democrats, "Did you screw up voting for Biden given all the deaths in Ukraine and Afghanistan?" If the answer is no, then why should I care? For all Trump's bluster, he kept the peace.

Those in the shipping business told me that Biden was gearing up for war since day one in office. He thought war was key to his winning re-election. And now the Dems have no way of winning on the economy so they think putting Putin's head on a spike like they did with Gaddafi will win them seats in the midterms. That is all they care about. They do not give a rat's ass about the people in Ukraine. I saw that when Biden's and other pols sons were fleecing the Ukrainians with their "aid" packages.

How much am I supposed to hate Putin when he punches you in the face after you have been kicking him in the shin? Pauline keeps lying that Putin was not provoked. Hell, Russiagate itself was provocation. And before then, there was all this American money going to Ukraine for weapons and training and some of it even went to the Nazis in Ukraine. What the hell was that for? What about the lie that we cannot keep Ukraine from joining NATO when any country can in NATO could have kept Ukraine out?

If Putin goes after a NATO country, then I will care but quit bugging me about a country that was your little pet project. OMG, Russia is going to take Ukraine!! They had Ukraine when they were the USSR. No, I do not like Putin. Big deal. If you dumb Dems really wanted peace, you should have voted for Trump. Are you going to own the fact that your vote for Biden caused the Ukrainians to suffer?

MamaGuevos

07-30-22, 15:09

I note that there is absolutely nothing about finding women in Kyiv. Rather, there is an intense debate about political issues as if the ISG were about politics. This is too bad, because I can get the same debates just about everywhere.

Finding women under wartime conditions would be different and interesting.

DramaFree11

07-30-22, 15:41

Yeah, the problem with Pauline is that he goes after anyone who does not parrot the bullshit Democratic narrative. When I said the travel ban Colombia implemented with Covid was a waste of time, Pauline said that I wanted cheap pussy over dead Colombians. Of course, the travel ban did jack shit with Colombia and the spread of Covid, and the lockdowns implemented were a fucking disaster.

And the lockdowns led to more serious infections down the line; "This positive collateral effect in the short term is welcome, as it prevents additional overload of the healthcare system," But in the long term, it can create problems of its own: if bacterial and viral infections aren't circulating among children, they don't develop immunity, which leads to larger outbreaks down the line.

And Pauline's response to being wrong with Russiagate, lockdowns, travel bans, and Ukrainegate? Gilda Radner said it best. Never mind! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZLeaSWY37I.

Without Russiagate and Ukrainegate, would 1-6 have happened? Probably not. Hell, the Dems were plotting to get rid of Trump the day he stepped into office.

Thing is the Democrat's pet, Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, said that Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still president. Given the debacles and loss of life in Ukraine and Afghanistan, I would ask all Democrats, "Did you screw up voting for Biden given all the deaths in Ukraine and Afghanistan?" If the answer is no, then why should I care? For all Trump's bluster, he kept the peace.

Those in the shipping business told me that Biden was gearing up for war since day one in office. He thought war was key to his winning re-election. And now the Dems have no way of winning on the economy so they think putting Putin's head on a spike like they did with Gaddafi will win them seats in the midterms. That is all they care about. They do not give a rat's ass about the people in Ukraine. I saw that when Biden's and other pols sons were fleecing the Ukrainians with their "aid" packages.

How much am I supposed to hate Putin when he punches you in the face after you have been kicking him in the shin? Pauline keeps lying that Putin was not provoked. Hell, Russiagate itself was provocation. And before then, there was all this American money going to Ukraine for weapons and training and some of it even went to the Nazis in Ukraine. What the hell was that for? What about the lie that we cannot keep Ukraine from joining NATO when any country can in NATO could have kept Ukraine out?

If Putin goes after a NATO country, then I will care but quit bugging me about a country that was your little pet project. OMG, Russia is going to take Ukraine!! They had Ukraine when they were the USSR. No, I do not like Putin. Big deal. If you dumb Dems really wanted peace, you should have voted for Trump. Are you going to own the fact that your vote for Biden caused the Ukrainians to suffer?The more I think about it, I think you are correct, for whatever crazy ass reason Bidden wanted this war. Now he got what he wanted and we are getting are Ass kicked economically. Nobody is winning, but Putin and the arm dealers.

Nobody in America cares about this war, with the exception of a few crazy liberals. Russia is obviously not a military threat anymore, there army is not a threat to Europe, could the governments admit this or the media, no way, why stop the lies now.

Pauline, XMan and there followers are just delusional and for some ridiculous reason they want the war to continue. Ukraine is being destroyed, there people are getting killed or wounded, there will be nothing left to fight over. Everyone that has not already left will leave for Europe.

WyattEarp

07-30-22, 15:54

Tucker's the ONLY Fox talking head dead set against the Ukrainian proxy war. Many of Tucker's guest are why Tucker's show is Fox's top rated. He is inclined to exaggerate and spotlight fringe issues to provoke the viewership but he doesn't need to lie. The truth nowadays is hard enough to believe so no need to lie. Filter out the exaggerations and occasional Covid rants and he's very good.

Like you, Tucker's against fighting Russia directly through Ukraine's army. I believe it's a half proxy war and very different from the quintessential proxy war when we funded terrorist in Syria against Putin's Assad in 2012. How much of Syria's big cities are left after we failed to dislodge Assad? And what will be left of Ukraine when the big powers decide they've had enough. We'll be super lucky if the conflict doesn't spread and wreck everyone's plans and we're due for a big one.

I like your post and a few others here but knocking Tucker and then mirroring his pov was unusual. Tucker is anti Ukraine war and for good reason. Cheers.I think you are being confused by Paulie's words. I admonished him in my last post for trying to put me and everyone on one side of this thread or the other. There is always more nuance and complexity in wars and foreign affairs in general. We have to allow for varying thoughts on the topic.

I do not share Elvis' view on the war. I simply agreed with Elvis that Europe does not need the USA To defend them. This is what triggered a visceral reaction from Paulie. I don't know why. It's actually a very popular view among Americans. It in no means implies that the USA Can't support the Ukraine in its war with Russia.

(Unfortunately, the whole pivot from NATO to the Western Pacific strategy carries a lot of the Trump baggage. Almost any Trump policy no matter how sound or realistic seems to trigger anti-Trump outrage. The idea of pivoting from Europe to Asia has been around before Trump. We in the USA Are currently bogged down in this partisan bickering that seems to infect every government decision.).

As far as Tucker Carlson, I think he is way over the top. Like many cable news commentators in a quest for ratings, Tucker looks to be a vocal contrarian with almost every Biden Administration policy. Sometimes he has an interesting take on things, but most of the time he is trying to gin up an older, male Republican audience. I have no idea where you got the idea that I mirror Tucker's POV.

Nothing personal but when someone here tries to describe another member or conveniently categorize them, it's kind of really important to read their own words in their last several posts. I wouldn't read Paulie or Elvis last references to me to try to gauge my opinions. That would seem to make sense.

DramaFree11

07-30-22, 16:21

Golfinho

07-30-22, 19:00

Nobody in America cares about this war, with the exception of a few crazy liberals. Russia is obviously not a military threat anymore, there army is not a threat to Europe, could the governments admit this or the media, no way, why stop the lies now..Not true. There are vested interests that care a great deal about this war. Monsanto, Cargill et. Al. Have bought up gigantic tracts of Ukraine's farmland to produce their genetically modified food -- land that presently has come under Russian control, and is likely to remain so if things continue on the present course.

Elvis 2008

07-30-22, 19:10

The more I think about it, I think you are correct, for whatever crazy ass reason Bidden wanted this war. Now he got what he wanted and we are getting are Ass kicked economically. Nobody is winning, but Putin and the arm dealers.

Nobody in America cares about this war, with the exception of a few crazy liberals. Russia is obviously not a military threat anymore, there army is not a threat to Europe, could the governments admit this or the media, no way, why stop the lies now.

Pauline, XMan and there followers are just delusional and for some ridiculous reason they want the war to continue. Ukraine is being destroyed, there people are getting killed or wounded, there will be nothing left to fight over. Everyone that has not already left will leave for Europe.And Pelosi is stirring up crap with China now: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-issuing-same-red-line-warnings-about-taiwan-russia-issued-about-ukraine.

Thing is the article references that Russia warned prior to going into Ukraine that they would. They put down a red line, and we crossed it. China is putting down a red line with Taiwan and Pelosi is crossing it. Like I said, the Dems want war.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/11/18/putin-accuses-west-of-taking-russias-red-lines-too-lightly

https://www.reuters.com/markets/stocks/putin-warns-russia-will-act-if-nato-crosses-its-red-lines-ukraine-2021-11-30/

Moscow has since accused Kyiv and NATO of which Ukraine is an ally but not a member of destabilising behaviour, including in the Black Sea.

Putin said Western strategic bombers carrying "very serious weapons" were flying within 20 kilometres (12.5 miles) of Russia's borders.

President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia would be forced to act if its "red lines" on Ukraine were crossed by NATO, saying Moscow would view the deployment of certain offensive missile capabilities on Ukrainian soil as a trigger.

There goes Xman and Pauline's claim that Russia was not provoked. Thing is the media is constantly lying and saying that Russia launched an unprovoked invasion.

The dumb Dem position is that you are with us or with Putin. Yeah, sorry, I dislike you Dems, Putin, Zelensky for provoking Russia, and am on the side of peace and the side of Ukrainian citizens not dying. If the Dems were not filling the Ukrainian coffers with money and weapons, there would have been peace long ago. Instead the dumb Dems talk of victory over Russia whatever the hell that means.

Xpartan

07-30-22, 19:12

Elvis 2008

07-30-22, 19:28

Was not just in Europe. He was doing military support buildup in Africa and Asia.

Thing was I was watching Falcon and the Winter Soldier, a military series on Disney Plus. The military consults and suggests edits for a show like that. In the beginning of the series, Falcon has to slow down so as not to enter Libyan air space like they were a superpower. I was like, "Oh so Biden wants war with Libya then. " A lot of those supplies were sent to countries surrounding Libya. Thing is I looked up how strong Libya's air force was and they have six, yes six, aircraft.

The whole pandemic of the unvaxxed we now know was bullshit. The unvaxxed pandemic was stirred up so that Pfizer and Moderna could make money and funnel it back to the Dems. The 4 X vaxxed Biden and Fauci both got Covid.

It is sad that the only bipartisan schemes these days are throwing money at companies and the defense contractors are favorites of both parties. The latest budget gave the defense contractors more than Biden even asked for with a lot of Republicans helping the Dems get that money. But for defense contractors, the war in Ukraine has already been a smashing success.

So Biden got a war like he wanted, and Russia is so much the better bad guy than Libya.

Xpartan

07-30-22, 19:36

I do not share Elvis' view on the war. I simply agreed with Elvis that Europe does not need the USA To defend them. American isolationists have been uttering this mantra for over 100 years. They've been proven wrong time after time, but they won't give up like a mule standing his ground.

Europe is not capable of dealing with crazed dictators on its own. That's just a fact.

Without America, Europe would be a wasteland today. Although, on an upside, some assholes like Merdo, who call us filth, wouldn't even be here.

You know who can afford to be isolationists?

St. Lucia can. Anguilla can. Or any other sun-kissed island, LOL.

America can't.

Travv

07-30-22, 20:08

DramaFree11

07-30-22, 21:13

Paulie97

07-30-22, 21:26

American isolationists have been uttering this mantra for over 100 years. They've been proven wrong time after time, but they won't give up like a mule standing his ground.

Europe is not capable of dealing with crazed dictators on its own. That's just a fact.

Without America, Europe would be a wasteland today. Although, on an upside, some assholes like Merdo, who call us filth, wouldn't even be here.

You know who can afford to be isolationists?

St. Lucia can. Anguilla can. Or any other sun-kissed island, LOL.

America can't.The US / Euro alliance is a force to be reckoned with, both economically and militarily, whether we are engaging Russia, China or both. Those who seek to weaken these alliances are fools. And though these may be the loudest in a hooker forum, thankfully they are very much a minority in Western Europe and the US, though a substantial minority comprising the traitorous wing of the Republican Party. Isolationists are also found in the Chomsky-esque leftists. This disgusting entity in the US also hates it's own country.

Such misappropriations of 'America First,' a phrase first used by 'The America First Committee' which encouraged non-involvement in WW II emboldens tyrants. It's why Saddam annexed Kuwait because he believed the US would stay out of it. US isolationism and British appeasement emboldened Hitler, and the Kaiser in WW I as he believed both Britain and the US were likely to stay on the sidelines with an invasion of France.

Needless to say our friends in Asia are very important also.

Xpartan

07-31-22, 08:46

America and me (aka we) can stay out of this non vital war. But if you think it is vital to fight in a war overseas, get yourself to the Ukie Embassy ASAP and sign up with the International Legion! There's a place in the trenches waiting for you along with the estimated 50,000 Russian artillery shells per day hitting the Ukie trenches, so you will not be bored. Let the rest of us know how that works out for you!Non-vital according to who? Who gave you a magic dick to decide what's vital and what's not?

Your ideological forefathers in the 1930's sang the same tune about Japan and the Nazis. Non-vital, my ass.

50,000 shells? That's old news. They've been running out since mid-June, and Ukrainians are taking out their arms and fuel depots well behind the front lines. Go HIMARS!

You are completely delusional. The only threat Russia has is their Nukes, their army is terrible and that is being kind.

I would support the war if we were actually trying to win and if Pres. Z. was willing to negotiate. Maybe producing Gas would be a good start, but why try to win now.I have no idea what you just said. "Trying to win" and "willing to negotiate" don't work in the same sentence. And WTF does "why try to win now" means? Someone's running after you? Finish your goddamn thoughts and sentences.

We in America have learned bitter lessons from two world wars: It is better to be here in Europe ready to protect the peace, than to take blind shelter across the sea, rushing to respond only after freedom is lost. We've learned that isolationism never was and never will be an acceptable response to tyrannical governments with an expansionist intent.No, Obama didn't say that. Ronald Reagan did. Although after Mad Don, he sounds like Karl Marx now.

Socker

07-31-22, 19:23

Nothing personal but when someone here tries to describe another member or conveniently categorize them, it's kind of really important to read their own words in their last several posts. I wouldn't read Paulie or Elvis last references to me to try to gauge my opinions. That would seem to make sense.Thanks for the kind response. I'm a dreaded high school diploma guy so mixing w the big boys here. All involved in the Ukrainian back and forth are super smart and very few open to change based on reality. This is because reality (right and wrong) is being successfully challenged in the west. Many things that used to be right are now wrong. I've been around for 70 years and things have never been worse in America. This is lost on most people under 40 as they've only been adults during the decline. The decline has been in the works for 30 years and I have a front row seat in San Francisco, a once world class city and now an embarrassment.

So Wyatt I was impressed w your post and saw a similar pov w Tucker, that was all I intended to say: the Ukraine war is wrong, why make it worse? Tucker is hated by some for shinning a light on truth or what half of society used to consider right but is now wrong. In my view he is at times over the top and at other times spot on. Before this cultural war (as they call it) most people believed the truth is more important than party affiliation but this sadly is no longer the case. Thanks for not biting my head off as some here enjoy doing when you have an alternative pov. All the best.

Elvis 2008

07-31-22, 21:19

Non-vital according to who? Who gave you a magic dick to decide what's vital and what's not?Your hero Obama did. https://www.revolver.news/2022/02/obama-was-right-no-gae-war-with-russia/.

Obama articulated that the American people are simply not willing to go to war in Ukraine. To put it simply, the Ukraine is simply not a core American interest that is worth killing and dying over.

From The Atlantic:

Obama's theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

"The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do," he said.

I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

"It's realistic," he said. "But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for.

Your ideological forefathers in the 1930's sang the same tune about Japan and the Nazis. Non-vital, my ass.Maybe you have not noticed but the world has changed a lot in the last 90 years. In the 1930's, people were starving, no antibiotics were available, and the people who were the richest did not own servers in factories but had the most productive land. I keep hearing about how Russia wants more land when they have more land than any other country in the world.

Since WW2 ended, almost 80 years ago, every attempt at war has been some stupid version of the domino theory. If we do not stop X here, we will have horrific consequences. That was the excuse for the debacles in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. There was no mission just a hollow promise of stopping someone.

I do not give a damn about Ukraine. I am not willing to give my life up for it, and it in no way affects me. If Russia attacked a NATO country, that would be different but we never signed a treaty saying we would protect Ukraine, and signed agreements mean something to me and to the world. This is between Ukraine and Russia not us.

Biden and the Dems wanted war, and they got what they were hoping for. If you want to go fight, then be my guest but you are not sucking me or other halfway intelligent people in. This is YOUR war not ours.

Paulie97

08-01-22, 04:05

Nothing personal but when someone here tries to describe another member or conveniently categorize them, it's kind of really important to read their own words in their last several posts.This has been done and that's the wishy washiness I was speaking of. You're the kind of guy that wants to get along with everyone, even Russo propagandists. But the result is that you never take a stand for anything substantive while you bore us with the fluffed up intellectualism.

Paulie97

08-01-22, 04:34

So Wyatt I was impressed w your post and saw a similar pov w Tucker, that was all I intended to say: the Ukraine war is wrong, why make it worse? Tucker is hated by some for shinning a light on truth or what half of society used to consider right but is now wrong. In my view he is at times over the top and at other times spot on.Ukraine isn't wrong but was minding their own business while showing interest in democracy. They also showed interest in protection for good reason with a bloodthirsty tyrant next door. Carlson is a self-serving habitual liar and Russo propagandist that preys upon angry whites without college degrees, the same whom many lack the wherewithal to verify information before embracing it. Carlson's quotes and videos have been posted here, as has proof of the Russian media's love for him. He's a traitor that the World War II generation would have removed from the airwaves in their day. In the 19th century he'd have been tarred and feathered and send crying to the outskirts of town like the little ***** that he is, only to turn up selling his snake oil someplace else once he cooled down.

As to any "culture war," that's just code for traditionally marginalized people empowering themselves and demanding rights and a voice. The internet facilitates much of this. This makes a lot of folks uncomfortable, especially those seeing their privilege slipping away. There's also a lot of money to be made stirring these folks up screaming that the sky is falling. Just look at the homes that Carlson and Hannity live in for starters. Habitually lying with a charismatic flair pays.

With that I'm over and out. I have a trip to Colombia coming up soon, plus anyone interested in my views on this can check my post history. I've answered every possible objection several times already, am done going in circles. Maybe Wyatt can lead you all in a love in. He's flexible, I mean wishy washy enough. Wink.

WyattEarp

08-01-22, 18:05

This has been done and that's the wishy washiness I was speaking of. You're the kind of guy that wants to get along with everyone, even Russo propagandists. But the result is that you never take a stand for anything substantive while you bore us with the fluffed up intellectualism.Your recent outrage was specifically triggered when I said Europe can defend itself. Sure, the United States can still be an active, contributing member with its nuclear deterrence. We don't need to be the bulwark on the ground in Europe. I don't know if I can be clear enough.

You also challenged my opinion that China is the preeminent global threat. I stated that we need to focus more on the Western Pacific. Quoting your post "They (China) are primarily about economic advancement, and keeping good relations with a united US / EU will trump any lip service given to Russia. " Most Americans (and a lot of Taiwanese, Japanese etc.) would disagree with you.

In reality, none of my positions in reality conflict with providing major support for the Ukraine.

These are clearly stated opinions that really don't fit into your box described wishy washy. As I said, you want to put everyone in a black and white box or else they break your rigid views. You have to allow for for some nuance and varying opinions on social media. Jmsuttr and I could always have different perspectives while having civil discussions.

Paulie97

08-01-22, 18:39

Thanks for the kind response. I'm a dreaded high school diploma guy so mixing w the big boys here .You don't need more than high school. All you need to do is cut off Fox News for a while, surf around and do some valid research rather than swallowing propaganda. Ukraine is fighting for their existence against a neighbor that feels like they have no right to exist. This is based on forced and false historical narratives. The bottom line is that Russia wants their goodies, industries, farmlands, and ports and is willing to murder civilians and prisoners of war, and engage in forced deportations to get them. There's a gencocide going on. Ukraine is quite developed and successful when compared to most of Russia. Some try to blame the victim by calling Ukraine corrupt, and there is corruption there like any country. However they've made improvements since 2014 and moving away from the Russian puppet governments. They typically get much better scores on corruption measures than Russia.

But Ukrainians love freedom and their country so much that they want to fight for it. They are willing to spill the blood but have asked the West for weapons, and we have agreed as we should. This sends the right message in Europe that you can't run roughshod stealing your neighbor's land without consequence. This sets the right precedent, both for us and our NATO allies in Europe. So that's what we are doing, and the vast majority of Americans and politicians from both major political parties agree with it, while we levy cripling sanctions on the Russian economy. And none of this is likely to change as a result of any hacks or pseudo-intellectuals in a monger forum. So that's a brief summary, the bottom line, and good luck. .

P.S. Also all of this has been covered already on this thread and in greater detail.

Xpartan

08-01-22, 21:48

Your hero Obama did. https://www.revolver.news/2022/02/obama-was-right-no-gae-war-with-russia/.

Obama articulated that the American people are simply not willing to go to war in Ukraine. To put it simply, the Ukraine is simply not a core American interest that is worth killing and dying over.

From The Atlantic:

Obama's theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

"The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do," he said.

I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

"It's realistic," he said. "But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for.Playing dirty again, Elvis?

Or being an idiot again, Elvis?

It's either one or another, Elvis. Which is it?

First, this interview took place in 2016, way before the Bunker Rat ordered a full-blown invasion of Ukraine.

Second, what's your point exactly? That Obama didn't want to go to war?

Sure he didn't.

Neither do I.

And neither does Biden.

Only your bud Travv isn't talking about going to war. He wants us to STAY AWAY.

America and me (aka we) can stay out of this non vital war. Staying away means fuck it. No support, not weapons, no military cooperation, no nothing. That's what Travv wants. He doesn't want anyone to interfere with Russia in their attempt to finish off Ukraine.

Obama didn't want to go to war, but he didn't stay away either. He sent Ukraine $800 million non-letal military equipment and established the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative.

Why non-letal? Because there wasn't a full-blown war back then, that's why.

Maybe you have not noticed but the world has changed a lot in the last 90 years. In the 1930's, people were starving, no antibiotics were available, and the people who were the richest did not own servers in factories but had the most productive land. I keep hearing about how Russia wants more land when they have more land than any other country in the world.

Since WW2 ended, almost 80 years ago, every attempt at war has been some stupid version of the domino theory. If we do not stop X here, we will have horrific consequences. That was the excuse for the debacles in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. There was no mission just a hollow promise of stopping someone.

I do not give a damn about Ukraine. I am not willing to give my life up for it, and it in no way affects me. If Russia attacked a NATO country, that would be different but we never signed a treaty saying we would protect Ukraine, and signed agreements mean something to me and to the world. This is between Ukraine and Russia not us.

Biden and the Dems wanted war, and they got what they were hoping for. If you want to go fight, then be my guest but you are not sucking me or other halfway intelligent people in. This is YOUR war not ours.Let's keep antibiotics out of it, shell we, LOL?

Your references to Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq are completely out of context. First, if we didn't stop North Korea's advance, Asia and probably the whole world would look different today. Knowing what those savages have done in the territory they conquered, you surely wouldn't wish the same fate for Korea in whole?

Although wait -- I forgot you "don't give a damn about" any shitty lands that lie beyond our borders. Sorry, slipped my mind for a second.

The world might've changed a lot in the last 90 years, but isolationists haven't. They never learn.

Ukraine isn't wrong but was minding their own business while showing interest in democracy. They also showed interest in protection for good reason with a bloodthirsty tyrant next door. Carlson is a self-serving habitual liar and Russo propagandist that preys upon angry whites without college degrees, the same whom many lack the wherewithal to verify information before embracing it. Carlson's quotes and videos have been posted here, as has proof of the Russian media's love for him. He's a traitor that the World War II generation would have removed from the airwaves in their day. In the 19th century he'd have been tarred and feathered and send crying to the outskirts of town like the little ***** that he is, only to turn up selling his snake oil someplace else once he cooled down.Carlson's name will live in infamy. He'll be as "famous" as Donald S. Day and Mildred Gillars one day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_S._Day#Arrest_and_charges_of_treason.

Paulie97

08-01-22, 23:22

The world might've changed a lot in the last 90 years, but isolationists haven't. They never learn.The good news is that they aren't getting their way. They are a small minority even in the Republican Party. Ukraine is getting lethal aid for the fight they wish to fight and Russia is paying a heavy price. No amount of daily, repetitive squawking in a hooker forum is going to change that.

Elvis 2008

08-02-22, 00:09

Second, what's your point exactly? That Obama didn't want to go to war?

Sure he didn't.

Neither do I.

And neither does Biden.

Only your bud Travv isn't talking about going to war. He wants us to STAY AWAY.
I cannot speak for Travv but I think he does not want his tax dollars going to Ukraine nor do I want mine.

I told you Biden wanted war as soon as he got into office. I showed you links where the Russians warned Washington about Ukraine joining NATO, about a military jet flying close to the Russian border, about how the USA was arming Ukraine. Russia said to the USA if you guys keep that up we are going to invade Ukraine, and they did just that.

All you guys can do is lie now. Pile on Pauline said Ukraine was just "minding its own business" That is just not true.

We have the same thing now with Pelosi going to Taiwan. China has said they absolutely do not want Pelosi to go to Taiwan. And now there is this dick measuring contest about whether Pelosi should go. It is funny to me. What is the upside of her going? Are we going to show China who is boss just like we did with Russia and Ukraine because that worked out so well? Of course Pelosi is going to go to Taiwan because the Democrats want war.

WW3 is a small price to pay for the Democrats to stay in power, and that is what the war in Ukraine is all about.

DramaFree11

08-02-22, 02:10

I cannot speak for Travv but I think he does not want his tax dollars going to Ukraine nor do I want mine.

I told you Biden wanted war as soon as he got into office. I showed you links where the Russians warned Washington about Ukraine joining NATO, about a military jet flying close to the Russian border, about how the USA was arming Ukraine. Russia said to the USA if you guys keep that up we are going to invade Ukraine, and they did just that.

All you guys can do is lie now. Pile on Pauline said Ukraine was just "minding its own business" That is just not true.

We have the same thing now with Pelosi going to Taiwan. China has said they absolutely do not want Pelosi to go to Taiwan. And now there is this dick measuring contest about whether Pelosi should go. It is funny to me. What is the upside of her going? Are we going to show China who is boss just like we did with Russia and Ukraine because that worked out so well? Of course Pelosi is going to go to Taiwan because the Democrats want war.

WW3 is a small price to pay for the Democrats to stay in power, and that is what the war in Ukraine is all about.There is no reason for Pelosi to make the trip, very bad decision, but this what Dem. Do best, make horrible / risky decisions.

DramaFree11

08-02-22, 02:21

You don't need more than high school. All you need to do is cut off Fox News for a while, surf around and do some valid research rather than swallowing propaganda. Ukraine is fighting for their existence against a neighbor that feels like they have no right to exist. This is based on forced and false historical narratives. The bottom line is that Russia wants their goodies, industries, farmlands, and ports and is willing to murder civilians and prisoners of war, and engage in forced deportations to get them. There's a gencocide going on. Ukraine is quite developed and successful when compared to most of Russia. Some try to blame the victim by calling Ukraine corrupt, and there is corruption there like any country. However they've made improvements since 2014 and moving away from the Russian puppet governments. They typically get much better scores on corruption measures than Russia.

But Ukrainians love freedom and their country so much that they want to fight for it. They are willing to spill the blood but have asked the West for weapons, and we have agreed as we should. This sends the right message in Europe that you can't run roughshod stealing your neighbor's land without consequence. This sets the right precedent, both for us and our NATO allies in Europe. So that's what we are doing, and the vast majority of Americans and politicians from both major political parties agree with it, while we levy cripling sanctions on the Russian economy. And none of this is likely to change as a result of any hacks or pseudo-intellectuals in a monger forum. So that's a brief summary, the bottom line, and good luck.l.You are on crack. Ukraine was not well developed country, they were a joke a laughing stock to the rest of the world.

If Ukraine loved there country, why was everyone fleeing the country, pre-covid? This had nothing to do with the war, it had everything to do with corruption and zero opportunities for a better life. Ukraine was out of control, but that does not fit with your narrative.

You and XMan should go be correspondent for CNN. Start with doing an audit on how the government is spending the money. I doubt you will like what you find, but you would find a way to rationalize this, like all your other crazy ass views.

Travv

08-02-22, 03:20

To quote President John Quincy Adams, "America. Goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all."

If certain members of this board want to volunteer and fight in the International Legion, they are free to do so. But staying out of endless European wars as a neutral and not "seeking monsters to destroy" is just common sense. If US business wish to sell armaments to Ukraine or Russia, I am in favor of this as the "Chief business of the American people is business" President Calvin Coolidge. But not if the arms sales are based on loans or foreign aid. Switzerland has gone for centuries without foreign wars by looking to its defenses and minding its own business. Would that American politicians would copy Switzerland's aim to putting its own people first and not using them as cannon fodder in foreign disputes. Those seeking to involve Americans in another foreign war should set the example by practicing what they preach and signing up with the International Legion themselves!

I cannot speak for Travv but I think he does not want his tax dollars going to Ukraine nor do I want mine.

I told you Biden wanted war as soon as he got into office. I showed you links where the Russians warned Washington about Ukraine joining NATO, about a military jet flying close to the Russian border, about how the USA was arming Ukraine. Russia said to the USA if you guys keep that up we are going to invade Ukraine, and they did just that.

All you guys can do is lie now. Pile on Pauline said Ukraine was just "minding its own business" That is just not true.

Socker

08-02-22, 05:52

Since WW2 ended, almost 80 years ago, every attempt at war has been some stupid version of the domino theory. If we do not stop X here, we will have horrific consequences. That was the excuse for the debacles in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. There was no mission just a hollow promise of stopping someone.This is the truth whether anyone likes it or not. America's leaders sold the war in Vietnam to the public w constant warnings of a communist take over of Asia. First Vietnam, then Cambodia, Thailand, etc etc. We lost the war and the communist takeover never happened. Millions of dead and severely wounded and it ended up being an exercise in futility. Fortunately a nuclear threat was non existent from our adversaries in 1968.

Now, 50 years later we have Ukraine vs Russia and once again the west is trying to stop Russia (still communist to some) from taking over vast territories. We're trying to stop communism all over again but this time is different because everyone has nukes. Nuclear war has never been closer to destroying humanity than it is today. Propaganda was expertly used in the Vietnam era and it's being used now. This conflict would be over now had we stayed out of it and Ukraine would be more intact w less dead Ukrainians.

Carlson is a self-serving habitual liar and Russo propagandist that preys upon angry whites without college degrees, the same whom many lack the wherewithal to verify information before embracing it..I'm always searching for the least biased news. Maybe you can point me towards a more fair and honest news source. Thanks.