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Captain Solo
09-20-21, 23:49
Rambo.

Despite all Vudu curses put on El Capitan by envious detractors, I am strong, hot, healthy and sexy, firing all my guns with club girls and street girls hehe.

Was in La Zona last night, met up with a bro from out of state. We hang put had a good time and lots of fun with hot girls. My wingmen met him first time but they clicked and exchanged lots of juicy info about their sexy experiences with girls world wide.

When you come down to Tijuana would be fun for us to party.

Vacc people should be given top priority if they get infected.

Unvacc people will die anyway so just leave them out in the parking lot and give them a ventilator hooked up to a school bus tail pipe so they can get high.

Captain Solo
09-21-21, 00:41
Why would anyone be stupid enough to trust rumors, anecdotal evidences and half-assed test results by unknown people from unreliable sources over science-based recommendations by responsible, distinguished, world renown public health officials?

Any medicine strong enough to kill worms in horses will also be strong enough to kill off lots of cells, beneficial organisms and destroy organs in humans. Patients may survive Invermectin but could develop holes or cancer in their digestive tracts and shorten their lifespan.

Who has done any test on long-term side effects of this drug on humans?

Dcrist0527
09-21-21, 03:15
NewsRescue is right-biased and unreliable.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/news-rescue/Pathetic little game. And pathetic little site. If you prefer to argue sourcing vs facts, have at it. The information in that article is essentially the same as many other sites. But I suppose that takes a little effort.

Not all of us like to feed at the trough. But to each their own.

Dcrist0527
09-21-21, 03:18
Why would anyone be stupid enough to trust rumors, anecdotal evidences and half-assed test results by unknown people from unreliable sources over science-based recommendations by responsible, distinguished, world renown public health officials?

Any medicine strong enough to kill worms in horses will also be strong enough to kill off lots of cells, beneficial organisms and destroy organs in humans. Patients may survive Invermectin but could develop holes or cancer in their digestive tracts and shorten their lifespan.

Who has done any test on long-term side effects of this drug on humans?I won't disagree with that. But I'll ask who has done any test on long-term side effects of this vaccine?

Yet, we line up to take the jab. Two, three, now four times.

Travv
09-21-21, 06:19
I'm waiting on all the lab rats oops, I meant you, to finish doing the longterm testing of new Covid Vaccines!

Quote: Bill Gates Admits: 700,000 People Will Be Harmed Or Killed By Coronavirus Vaccines.

In his rush to develop one, two, or even seven different vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), billionaire software tycoon Bill Gates openly admitted that upwards of 700,000 people could become injured or die from these jabs.

The Microsoft co-founder and prominent eugenicist has been more outspoken in recent days than perhaps ever before about his desire to vaccinate the entire world, in this case as soon as possible for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19). And the reality is that many more will die from the vaccine than from the virus itself.

Speaking during a recent segment on CNBC, Gates admitted that in order to make vaccines "work" for the most vulnerable groups, they have to be super-charged, in a sense.

And this super-charging means that some people are going to be injured or killed as a result. . . . Unquote.

https://humansarefree.com/2020/05/bill-gates-admits-700000-people-will-be-harmed-or-killed-by-coronavirus-vaccines.html


I won't disagree with that. But I'll ask who has done any test on long-term side effects of this vaccine?

Yet, we line up to take the jab. Two, three, now four times.

Captain Solo
09-21-21, 11:38
Cause and effects of vaccines have been understood for at least 300 years.

Vaccines have saved millions people from deaths of smallpox, polio, yellow fever, diphtheria, measles.

It's stupid to suspect 300 years of professional wisdom, believe crack pots with their stupid conspiracy theories, and take horse medicines.

NoClue
09-21-21, 15:40
The FDA just denied approval of the booster shots in a meeting held yesterday you can watch the entire 8 hrs on YouTube very informative, at the 4:21:57 mark they said that there have been 150 K vaccine related deaths worldwide.Did not hear anything about vaccine deaths from the FDA around the time frame you gave.

Jackie888
09-21-21, 17:31
I'm waiting on all the lab rats oops, I meant you, to finish doing the longterm testing of new Covid Vaccines!

Quote: Bill Gates Admits: 700,000 People Will Be Harmed Or Killed By Coronavirus Vaccines.

In his rush to develop one, two, or even seven different vaccines for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19), billionaire software tycoon Bill Gates openly admitted that upwards of 700,000 people could become injured or die from these jabs.

The Microsoft co-founder and prominent eugenicist has been more outspoken in recent days than perhaps ever before about his desire to vaccinate the entire world, in this case as soon as possible for the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19). And the reality is that many more will die from the vaccine than from the virus itself.

Speaking during a recent segment on CNBC, Gates admitted that in order to make vaccines "work" for the most vulnerable groups, they have to be super-charged, in a sense.

And this super-charging means that some people are going to be injured or killed as a result. . . . Unquote.

https://humansarefree.com/2020/05/bill-gates-admits-700000-people-will-be-harmed-or-killed-by-coronavirus-vaccines.htmlFake news site alert.

Dcrist0527
09-21-21, 19:35
Cause and effects of vaccines have been understood for at least 300 years.

Vaccines have saved millions people from deaths of smallpox, polio, yellow fever, diphtheria, measles.

It's stupid to suspect 300 years of professional wisdom, believe crack pots with their stupid conspiracy theories, and take horse medicines.Two very important points that apply to your comments. First, each vaccine is very different. Different side effects. Different risks.

Just as important, the vast majority of these vaccines (Moderna and Pfizer) are mRNA vaccines. We don't have a history of mRNA vaccines in humans.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable. But you've highlighted my main point. We don't question vaccines. In fact we point fingers at people who don't get it. When there is absolutely NO long term testing. The vaccine hasn't even existed for a year.

Yet we laugh off evidence for Ivermectin. Why? Because, in your own words, we have no long term testing.

I'm no doctor. I can barely even spell prescription right. But even my low IQ self can identify the hypocrisy coming from our "experts". They lie and mislead us. But we trust the vaccine is ok because they say so? And we label Ivermectin as a horse drug when it's been consumed by humans for many years? Why? Because our "experts" call it a horse drug.

We are absolutely foolish if we don't study every possibility. Because as it stands now, we're no closer to an end than we were two years ago.

John Clayton
09-21-21, 19:51
Cause and effects of vaccines have been understood for at least 300 years...In fact, the mechanism of the mRNA vaccines is far far better understood than that of previous vaccines made from whole inert or attenuated viruses. Far safer and much more effective.

Dcrist0527
09-21-21, 19:55
Fake news site alert.Not entirely fake. He was speculating on what could happen. I'm paraphrasing but he was talking about world distribution of a vaccine. And if side effects were a reality in 1 in 10,000 doses, he equated that to 700,000 people impacted.

#1-dismissing something as fake news is foolish. Argue the merits, but not the source.

#2-More to the point, 1 in 10,000 is not a wild prediction. And his larger point, about global distribution, is warranted.

#3-Big picture: I'll credit Gates for bringing up side effects and long term testing. We dove head first into these vaccines without any testing. Even the efficacy testing has proven to be bullshit.

Dcrist0527
09-21-21, 20:01
In fact, the mechanism of the mRNA vaccines is far far better understood than that of previous vaccines made from whole inert or attenuated viruses. Far safer and much more effective.I couldn't disagree more. MRNA is not new technology. It has been studied for 10+ years. But this is the first real-world, large scale application of messenger RNA vaccine.

MRNA absolutely made it possible to develop this vaccine so rapidly. But to say it is safer or more effective is obviously premature at best.

https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/what-s-different-about-messenger-rna-vaccines-covid-19

Captain Solo
09-21-21, 20:18
Wow. John Clayton is probably a healthcare professional or researcher.

Johnson & Johnson's vaccine uses a different technique, injecting the viral vector of a different Corona virus to stimulate the production of Covid-19's spike proteins and the body immunity.

I don't want another virus in my sexy body. Have to keep it in good shape for the benefits of Tijuana's chicas hehe.

WombatEd2
09-22-21, 04:11
Pathetic little game. And pathetic little site. If you prefer to argue sourcing vs facts, have at it. The information in that article is essentially the same as many other sites. But I suppose that takes a little effort.

Not all of us like to feed at the trough. But to each their own.Um, what's pathetic is when people claim so-called "facts" but cannot come up with a reliable source. I googled the matter pretty thoroughly before I posted, and came up with nothing more reliable that "BuyMyQuackScienceBook.com".

WombatEd2
09-22-21, 04:20
dismissing something as fake news is foolish. Argue the merits, but not the source.Unless, of course, your source is one that makes the National Enquirer look like the Wall Street Journal.


We dove head first into these vaccines without any testing. Even the efficacy testing has proven to be bullshit.False!

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe

Hadez
09-22-21, 06:49
First off let me say I got the vaccine. The data that supports its effectiveness is really good. I knew months before we had vaccines they would not prevent transmission so breakthrough cases do not bother me but I know some people tripping on this.

Funny how you think the different parts of the world are lying but you willing to trust the people who will make big bucks on Ivermectin not being used.

No one gets paid if Ivermectin is the answer.

Lots of people get paid if the company can develop a new drug that does the same thing.

Big red flag should be they calling it a horse / vet drug instead the of human drug it is. My doctor prescribed me ivermectin for Covid19 and my insurance covered it. For some reason there is an large amount of people focused on the vet uses and multiple of these reports like the Rolling Stones article have been shown to be complete fake news.

Another red flag is how different the search results are from google and other search engines. Google = nothing but vet drug talk. Other search engines = actual ivermectin news.

Another red flag is a youtube channel can not even say ivermectin without losing 25%+ of their revenue. Have seen a channel just discuss the topic after directly supporting vaccines and they lose revenue money.

And finally the biggest red flag is just weeks after the data was submitted to the NIH / FDC after a Senate hearing the Federal Government gave the company who came up with Ivermectin 300+ million dollars to make the next Ivermectin which will essentially do the same thing. In June a 1+ billion agreement was made for when the next Ivermectin clears all medical trials. The FDA gets paid when the new drug is submitted for approval because that is how they get a large chunk of their revenue the last 10+ years. They get zero money from saying Ivermectin works. The establishment health system gets paid. Big Pharma gets paid. There will be a lot of money paid all around to grease the wheels.

No one gets paid if Ivermectin is the answer.

Lots of people get paid if the company can develop a new drug that does the same thing. There is close to 2 billion already on the table and the new drug is still clearing the hurdles that gets the establishment health system paid.

This is how health care for profit works in 2021.

Oh and since animals are getting covid they will probably turn that into a vet drug and get more money.

Then when it is beyond patent protection and needed again they news will forget how it was used for humans and just talk about the vet uses so they can make a new one and start the profit machine rolling again.



Whenever these so called studies go through any vetting, they simply don't hold up. It doesn't matter how many articles you've written if they're dubious. They keep getting debunked one after another for data manipulation, bias, and questionable scientific methods.

And let's trust all the third world countries and their numbers because there's no way they would lie about how well they're fighting off a pandemic.

It's insane how people have been brainwashed to think there's such a huge conspiracy against them. The reason why nobody credible is pushing ivermectin / hydroxychloroquine / bleach / etc is because there's evidence it doesn't work. The only conspiracy happening is the army of disinformation trying to sow dissent among the uneducated against the government and actual experts. Yes, ivermectin is a great drug FOR PARASITES, so they deserve the Nobel Prize for that. But this is not a pandemic of elephantiasis we're talking about.

There's no big money pushing the vaccine agenda, it's just god damn public health. You think Pfizer and Moderna have more sway than the world's governments and all of the companies losing money everyday because of the pandemic? You don't think if there was a true miracle cure, it wouldn't already be widely pushed to get rid of this damn thing? Keep drinking that Kool Aid.

Hadez
09-22-21, 07:04
Anyways sorry about the rant. As an essential worker I have listened to hundreds of hours of people talk about all things covid and covid treatments. HUNDREDS of hours no exaggeration. I look for opinions from all sources and be wary of any single source.

I get people want to rely on the health system. It is the quick and easy thing to do. At best the health system is full of bureaucrats and has been way too painfully slow to react to new science about the pandemic. Outside of vaccines and other new treatments of course which gets them paid. At best they been wrong a few times and intentionally misleading a few times.

At worst they have been intentionally deceiving people furthering their own agenda. It actually can get worse then that but I want to focus on latina pussy again and keep that to myself.

Funny how if people listen to one set of cable news they have one opinion and if they watch another cable news they have a completely different opinion. I cut the cable years ago myself. Better to get our own information than have some narrative spoon fed to us.

Jackie888
09-22-21, 15:24
Last year it was hydroxychloroquine.

This year it is ivermectin.

I miss the good old days of when Area 51 and Kennedy's assignation was the rage for conspiracist theories.

Captain Solo
09-22-21, 18:35
Yep. Some people reject the obvious reality and embrace all sorts of conspiracies.

I was at the tire shop. The tire man and his wife were telling me and everyone else non stop about all kinds of conspiracies, stock market, economic collapse, deep state, religions ect. They did not discuss, just talking out loud f their one way propaganda. Both did not even finish high school but talk all day about the coming collapse of US and world economies and dispense investment advice.

An old barber woman was telling me how Trump's victory was stolen from him and he will be back in the Whitehouse in a few months, fixing everything for poor people like her. Yelp's reviewers complained she seemed crazy about Trump, talking nonstop about politics and racial issues. Imagine a crazy barber holding a sharp shaving blade to your neck. People avoid her shop. She has no customers; her shop is nice clean with no hair on the floor. She's probably waiting for Trump to rescue her shop after reinstatement hehe.

I am guessing certain people feel poor, weak, insecure, exploited, lost confidence in mainstream society, so they must have alternative theories about everything to put down reality. They seem delusional to me. The psychiatrists in this site should have more understanding about their mental state.

Hadez
09-22-21, 22:00
Do not forget bleach. I mean if that is how you going to get to your understanding of the biggest thing to hit the world in our life keep it consistant.


Last year it was hydroxychloroquine.

This year it is ivermectin.

I miss the good old days of when Area 51 and Kennedy's assignation was the rage for conspiracist theories.

Dcrist0527
09-22-21, 23:14
Unless, of course, your source is one that makes the National Enquirer look like the Wall Street Journal.

False!

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safeI have no interest in discussing further with you. To say definitively that this vaccine is safe and thoroughly tested is just lunacy. It hasn't been in existence for a year. Long term testing is quite literally impossible. Even your article discusses a few serious side effects.

I'm not saying this thing is overly dangerous. I hope not; I took it. But to say we're well-informed is just extremely naive.

Dcrist0527
09-22-21, 23:25
Anyways sorry about the rant. As an essential worker I have listened to hundreds of hours of people talk about all things covid and covid treatments. HUNDREDS of hours no exaggeration. I look for opinions from all sources and be wary of any single source.

I get people want to rely on the health system. It is the quick and easy thing to do. At best the health system is full of bureaucrats and has been way too painfully slow to react to new science about the pandemic. Outside of vaccines and other new treatments of course which gets them paid. At best they been wrong a few times and intentionally misleading a few times.

At worst they have been intentionally deceiving people furthering their own agenda. It actually can get worse then that but I want to focus on latina pussy again and keep that to myself.

Funny how if people listen to one set of cable news they have one opinion and if they watch another cable news they have a completely different opinion. I cut the cable years ago myself. Better to get our own information than have some narrative spoon fed to us.I could not agree more. My main point isn't to push Ivermectin (which I have never taken and do not have any plans to take) or to bad mouth the vaccines (which I have taken). You said it better than I. There are many red flags that should be concerning to anyone that is honest with themselves. Worse yet, like both you and I said, people that value "their" sources because they tell them what they want to hear are not doing themselves any good. The "horse drug" is the perfect example. Weeks ago, that's how I felt until I started researching it. It's as though some feel knowledge is a bad thing.

As I've stated a few times now, my only hope is that people start to think for themselves. As a country, we are speeding down a very dangerous road. If we allow search engines to control us, we are a lost cause. As our dear President sadly said, it is 'no longer about freedom and choice'. Scary times.

John Clayton
09-23-21, 16:39
...To say definitively that this vaccine is safe and thoroughly tested is just lunacy. It hasn't been in existence for a year. Long term testing is quite literally impossible...You could say the same thing about driving a Tesla -- they haven't been around that long, so how do we know they don't cause health problems in the long term? The answer is mechanism (or a plausible mechanism) by which it would occur. The safety and mechanism of how this vaccine works are better understood than just about anything humans have ever created.

This is a stupid Tucker Carlson question, "...and how do we really know Teslas will not cause our children to wither and die? They simply haven't been around long enough to know for certain. I'm just asking the question. Isn't it better to be informed? Why is the MSM supressing this question? And what about electric mountain bikes -- could they cause tooth decay?

Dcrist0527
09-23-21, 16:56
You could say the same thing about driving a Tesla -- they haven't been around that long, so how do we know they don't cause health problems in the long term? The answer is mechanism (or a plausible mechanism) by which it would occur. The safety and mechanism of how this vaccine works are better understood than just about anything humans have ever created.

This is a stupid Tucker Carlson question, "...and how do we really know Teslas will not cause our children to wither and die? They simply haven't been around long enough to know for certain. I'm just asking the question. Isn't it better to be informed? Why is the MSM supressing this question? And what about electric mountain bikes -- could they cause tooth decay?Your points are perfectly valid as they pertain to mRNA technologies. However, the technology is merely the method. It's not as though an mRNA vaccine is interchangeable. If we were to utilize mRNA for zika or rabies, it is an entirely different vaccine.

I'm not sure what the Tucker Carlson reference is. I don't watch or listen to him so maybe its relevance is lost on me. But the analogy is poor. Before Tesla's were put on the actual road, they performed road tests on closed circuits. Producing and distributing mRNA vaccines have never been tested in humans in a similar manner.

I'm not saying these vaccines are dangerous. But to claim this application is a well-tested process is just dishonest.

John Clayton
09-23-21, 18:28
...I'm not saying these vaccines are dangerous. But to claim this application is a well-tested process is just dishonest.It depends on whether you believe in statistics (I do). True, the lipid encapsulation of the mRNA is maybe only three or four years old; however, synthetic mRNA has been around for thirty years with years of successful animal and human trials. We've had trials of other mRNA vaccines (like flu and zika) with the lipid encapsulation for several year before COV-2 SARS. But I wasn't referring to the delivery method. The way these vaccines work is inherently safer and many times more effective than vaccines based on an inactivated or attenutated viruses. However, my main point is how do you propose this vaccine would cause long term harm? Can you (anyone) even suggest a mechanism by which this would occur?

BTW, Tucker Carlson is famous for suggesting (always said with a quizzical demeanor) unknown linkages between two completely unrelated events (e. G. , George Soros and 2016 election fraud).

Dcrist0527
09-23-21, 19:38
It depends on whether you believe in statistics (I do). True, the lipid encapsulation of the mRNA is maybe only three or four years old; however, synthetic mRNA has been around for thirty years with years of successful animal and human trials. We've had trials of other mRNA vaccines (like flu and zika) with the lipid encapsulation for several year before COV-2 SARS. But I wasn't referring to the delivery method. The way these vaccines work is inherently safer and many times more effective than vaccines based on an inactivated or attenutated viruses. However, my main point is how do you propose this vaccine would cause long term harm? Can you (anyone) even suggest a mechanism by which this would occur?

BTW, Tucker Carlson is famous for suggesting (always said with a quizzical demeanor) unknown linkages between two completely unrelated events (e. G. , George Soros and 2016 election fraud).Clearly, you are more well-versed on this than I. So I won't claim to be more knowledgeable. But I also never proposed this vaccine would cause long term problems. I could not say that with any more certainty than one could say it will not. No one has had this vaccine for a year, let alone long term.

I still return to my earlier point. Not speaking of you directly but just a small percentage of the general public even know the basic difference between J&J and Pfizer. But to the same extent, most don't know that Ivermectin has been used and prescribed for human consumption. Or why. My larger point is that we are lazy. We take a talking point from Cooper or Carlson, or a meme from social media, and it becomes an unchallenged fact. Or to repeat a phrase that makes my skin crawl, it's "settled science". When we lose our curiosity from sheer laziness and just accept what our leaders or experts sell us, we're doomed. That was the point Hadez made. Control Google and you control a population.

Not going to take the bait re: Soros. LOL I'm certain you and I ar[Deleted by Admin]e at opposite ends of the political spectrum. And I've already used up more than my fair share of bandwidth on a hooker board about my beliefs. I do respect your knowledge, information and style. If and when we ever bump into each other, I owe you a few beers.

WombatEd2
09-23-21, 23:37
No one gets paid if Ivermectin is the answer.It isn't. All the experts say it isn't. Which makes the rest of your elaborate conspiracy theory moot.

John Clayton
09-23-21, 23:45
...Ivermectin has been used and prescribed for human consumption. Or...at makes my skin crawl, it's "settled science"...Ivermectin: Merck, which makes the drug, says "Don't take it! The interest in Ivermectin goes back to a single in vitro test early in the pandemic when scientists were casting around for something that might work. Ivermectin did kill the virus in vitro but only at some huge (toxic) concentration in the same way that almost any chemical would. Since then, there has been no study showing that it is effective against this virus in people. The drug's sole manufacturer says you shouldn't take it. But the main point is that no one has ever suggested a mechanism by which it might work. We know very well how the mRNA vaccines work. We know pretty well how monoclonal antibody and steroid treatments work. No one has even offered a suggestion as to how Ivermectin might work.

I feel the same way about "settled science". There is no such thing as "settled science". No real scientist will use the phrase.

AmorPorFavor
09-24-21, 05:28
Ivermectin: Merck, which makes the drug, says "Don't take it! The interest in Ivermectin goes back to a single in vitro test early in the pandemic when scientists were casting around for something that might work. Ivermectin did kill the virus in vitro but only at some huge (toxic) concentration in the same way that almost any chemical would. Since then, there has been no study showing that it is effective against this virus in people. The drug's sole manufacturer says you shouldn't take it. But the main point is that no one has ever suggested a mechanism by which it might work. We know very well how the mRNA vaccines work. We know pretty well how monoclonal antibody and steroid treatments work. No one has even offered a suggestion as to how Ivermectin might work.

I feel the same way about "settled science". There is no such thing as "settled science". No real scientist will use the phrase.Amazing. Something very intelligent in stupid shit in Tijuana.

Captain Solo
09-24-21, 19:49
Amor,

Got to admit, John Clayton knows his stuff and is very logical, persuasive with his concise arguments. I am impressed.

It's ridiculous to see people reject logical, factual realities and subscribe to so many outrageous and crazy conspiracies.

Hadez
09-25-21, 16:04
I am sure this has nothing to do with the 300+ million given to Merck in Dec to make the next Ivermectin under patent or the 1+ billion agreement they got to make the next Ivermectin once it is done with clinical trials.

They have 1. 5 billion dollars in reasons to tell people not to take Ivermectin. Besides the fact Ivermectin is out of patent protection and anyone can make it.

People have offered suggestions. Their videos get banned from youtube, their channel gets their revenue cut by 25% and more, google filters them out of their search engine....and mainstream media convinces people this is all about a vet drug and does not even mention the human drug that won a Nobel Price in medicine.

There are currently 64 studies. Over 30 peer reviewed. Over 30 random controlled. India has taken legal action against the WHO Rep for misinformation on Ivermectin that has lead to loss of life. People in the USA have taken legal action against hospitals and won. The crazy thing is the studies are just about the first stage of Covid but there are example of people in a coma on a ventilator who have been given ivermectin and recovered. Then when moved to another part of the hospital the other doctors refused to continue the treatment and the patient regressed which lead to one of the many legal battles in which the hospital lost and the NIH eventually pulled back it recommendation AGAINST Ivermectin and went to a more neutral recommendation. To be clear there is only anecdotal evidence for this kind of treatment in later stages of COVID.

Also to be clear the established health system has put ZERO effort into verifying if Ivermectin works or not. They have put a lot of time into making sure the public thinks it does not work mean while 1.5 billion dollars has either already been invested or has been committed to making the next ivermectin which is under patent.


Ivermectin: Merck, which makes the drug, says "Don't take it! The interest in Ivermectin goes back to a single in vitro test early in the pandemic when scientists were casting around for something that might work. Ivermectin did kill the virus in vitro but only at some huge (toxic) concentration in the same way that almost any chemical would. Since then, there has been no study showing that it is effective against this virus in people. The drug's sole manufacturer says you shouldn't take it. But the main point is that no one has ever suggested a mechanism by which it might work. We know very well how the mRNA vaccines work. We know pretty well how monoclonal antibody and steroid treatments work. No one has even offered a suggestion as to how Ivermectin might work.

I feel the same way about "settled science". There is no such thing as "settled science". No real scientist will use the phrase.

Hadez
09-25-21, 16:40
I am pro Vaccine, pro immune system, pro therapy treatments, pro mask, pro front line doctors and pro nurse.

The amount of information we been fed which has been found not true is amazing yet people trust these sources blindly without thinking.

So when I say ivermectin works that point of view is not coming from an anti vax point of view. There information is out there. It is just not easy to find because youtube is banning videos and google is making the sites hard to find in google searches. I could link the various things still out there but in my experience if people are not willing to look for it they will have one reasons or another for not believing it. I would suggest people get use to getting information in areas not being controlled by big tech anyways because it is obvious they trying to control the narrative. BTW still think Covid19 came from people eating bats / animals at wet markets?

When other early treatments were being considered I went to studies away from the political environment of the USA to get information on them. The political environment in the USA controls so many points of view it is ridiculous. So much in the USA is based on money and politics and it is crazy how far the reach goes.

BTW remember when we could not touch cross walk buttons because of Covid19? The entire state of California made the cross walk buttons automatic because we could get Covid19 from touching a surface outside in the sun. These are the same people telling you not the get ivermectin. This is not the first time these people in charge made us think we could get something ridiculous from touching a surface. By all means trust these people blindly.

Hadez
09-25-21, 17:05
A couple years ago I was on the other side of this on a different health issue. I thought no way in the USA would life saving treatment be withheld. If nothing people would pay big money for it. My point of views do not come from the same point of views people would typically seem my recent conclusions. My friend who I was arguing with about the health system laughs because we both got to the same point of being skeptical of the health system but I got there from a "left" point of view. I do consider myself progressive but not "left" but I do understand how to some those labels mean the same thing.

If people get their news from the independent sources, smaller cooperate sources who allow their reporters to say whatever they want or even some of the people from established sources like Josh Rogin of the Washington Post it is amazing how much news it not being reported by the big news sources like CBS, NBC / MSNBC, Fox and others.

When listening to real journalists who cite their sources it becomes obvious quickly how the Establishment Health System is far more about making profit on a hundreds of millions of people level and less about actually saving lives. The Establishment Health System is more of a corporation trying to make profit filled with bureaucracy and politics trying to play cover their ass and less about being transparent system trying to save lives. The quicker people realize this the sooner maybe we as a people can get leaders to force the Establishment Health System to do their job and serve the people. Right now the whole system is full of loop holes and rules that encourage the opposite.


I could not agree more. My main point isn't to push Ivermectin (which I have never taken and do not have any plans to take) or to bad mouth the vaccines (which I have taken). You said it better than I. There are many red flags that should be concerning to anyone that is honest with themselves. Worse yet, like both you and I said, people that value "their" sources because they tell them what they want to hear are not doing themselves any good. The "horse drug" is the perfect example. Weeks ago, that's how I felt until I started researching it. It's as though some feel knowledge is a bad thing.

As I've stated a few times now, my only hope is that people start to think for themselves. As a country, we are speeding down a very dangerous road. If we allow search engines to control us, we are a lost cause. As our dear President sadly said, it is 'no longer about freedom and choice'. Scary times.

Gregyyr
09-25-21, 17:38
A couple years ago I was on the other side of this on a different health issue. I thought no way in the USA would life saving treatment be withheld. If nothing people would pay big money for it. My point of views do not come from the same point of views people would typically seem my recent conclusions. My friend who I was arguing with about the health system laughs because we both got to the same point of being skeptical of the health system but I got there from a "left" point of view. I do consider myself progressive but not "left" but I do understand how to some those labels mean the same thing.

If people get their news from the independent sources, smaller cooperate sources who allow their reporters to say whatever they want or even some of the people from established sources like Josh Rogin of the Washington Post it is amazing how much news it not being reported by the big news sources like CBS, NBC / MSNBC, Fox and others.

When listening to real journalists who cite their sources it becomes obvious quickly how the Establishment Health System is far more about making profit on a hundreds of millions of people level and less about actually saving lives..The Healthcare system is "interesting" in the US. It wasn't till I started traveling internationally to see how it's kind of messed up in many ways. I have a pre-exiting condition that is kind of a joke as it's never bugged me in over 50 years and didn't know I had it and it may never cause any medical issues. But it got put on a medical record and I have been denied health insurance because of it. There maybe some company that I could get insurance from with crazy high rates.

I started looking into getting health care overseas once I retire etc. A lot of good options are available. Many of my coworkers have Simsa down in Tijuana for their families and they are very happy with the care and I am thinking of doing that once I retire. Here is a great video clip from a Expat who travels the world and gives advice on health care, money management, best places to retire etc. (truth is I don't want to "retire" to a location. I love to travel so this whole topic of "retire to "x" country is a bit of a joke to me. I don't want to just go to one country to die.

https://youtu.be/koYN-Da9Qnw

G.

Dcrist0527
09-25-21, 20:53
it is amazing how much news it not being reported by the big news sources like CBS, NBC / MSNBC, Fox and others.I come from the exact opposite end of the spectrum. But this is absolutely the issue at hand. Everyone hates the division in this country. But why is it so? Because people scurry into their own corners to listen to their preferred outlet. It's red vs blue. The media bias is atrocious. To say CNN likes Obama or Fox likes Trump is not even close to the issue. The problem is, as Hadez points out, the topics these networks choose to report on. If you watch both outlets, you'd swear we were not even on the same planet. The same could be said for Google. Facebook. Twitter. How many COVID-related things were removed from Facebook or Twitter and deemed as misinformation. Only to be proven true! And big tech continues on, unchecked. Everyone has an agenda. And when your news source has an agenda, you are being used and manipulated. Call it a conspiracy theory. But the facts have never been more obvious. Ignore it at your peril.

Dcrist0527
09-25-21, 21:29
I am sure this has nothing to do with the 300+ million given to Merck in Dec to make the next Ivermectin under patent or the 1+ billion agreement they got to make the next Ivermectin once it is done with clinical trials.

They have 1. 5 billion dollars in reasons to tell people not to take Ivermectin. Besides the fact Ivermectin is out of patent protection and anyone can make it.It makes me chuckle. How much do we hear about big oil milking every red cent out of us? Or big banks? Or defense contractors. But somehow, we believe big pharma is the beacon of corporate ethics. LMAO.

One thing I'm certain of is to follow the money. Is Pfizer, that great shining star of ethos, skipping all profits while selling billions of doses? LOL. But someone posted this isn't about the money.

If it's not about money, why is Peter Daszak worried more about covering his own tail vs getting to the bottom of greatest infectious challenge in human history? And why is Fauci aiding in this coverup? Hmmm. Could it be money? Nah.

But here again, facts don't matter. Most aren't even curious. Because people prefer to say this is a political issue. It is anything but. It is an existential issue.

ScatManDoo
09-26-21, 00:44
It makes me chuckle. How much do we hear about big oil milking every red cent out of us? Or big banks? Or defense contractors. But somehow, we believe big pharma is the beacon of corporate ethics. LMAO.

One thing I'm certain of is to follow the money. Is Pfizer, that great shining star of ethos, skipping all profits while selling billions of doses? LOL. But someone posted this isn't about the money.

If it's not about money, why is Peter Daszak worried more about covering his own tail vs getting to the bottom of greatest infectious challenge in human history? And why is Fauci aiding in this coverup? Hmmm. Could it be money? Nah.

But here again, facts don't matter. Most aren't even curious. Because people prefer to say this is a political issue. It is anything but. It is an existential issue.Typical empty post.

Mentions facts, but provides no facts.

Just empty accusations.

Dcrist0527
09-26-21, 18:07
Typical empty post.

Mentions facts, but provides no facts.

Just empty accusations.Exhibit A. SMD has no interest in learning anything on his own. He waits to be spoonfed information. Sad, because it takes so little effort.

This isn't about money, right? But maybe the AP is a right-wing bastion. LOL.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-science-health-coronavirus-vaccine-5305defac283ac5f352bc47fcb74c82b

And if that doesn't convince you about motives, tell me one logical reason the CDC would stop monitoring breakthrough cases. Read this article carefully. The approach defies logic. And then you have states claiming that breakthrough COVID hospitalizations aren't due to COVID. But, the first go around, people that died in vehicle accidents were counted as COVID deaths.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

If you don't want to see the truth, well, some things are better left unsaid.

ScatManDoo
09-26-21, 22:01
If it's not about money, why is Peter Daszak worried more about covering his own tail vs getting to the bottom of greatest infectious challenge in human history? And why is Fauci aiding in this coverup? Hmmm. Could it be money? Nah.

But here again, facts don't matter. Most aren't even curious.Not to defend Peter Daszak, and his past, he's trying to hide.

But I really don't see Dr. Fauci masterminding the next Watergate cover-up, nor the beef behind your accusations that he is this sinister mastermind.

Dcrist0527
09-27-21, 13:15
Not to defend Peter Daszak, and his past, he's trying to hide.

But I really don't see Dr. Fauci masterminding the next Watergate cover-up, nor the beef behind your accusations that he is this sinister mastermind.I'll stop short of using the word sinister. I don't believe there was true ill intent. However, the results are damning and I think the coverup is fairly obvious. What we know, without question: Fauci was a proponent of gain of function research. There are numerous comments and even emails that defend the research as "worth the risk". (Gain of function may be controversial but I do give him the benefit of the doubt in that he wasn't trying to create a pandemic.) We also know that Fauci and the NIH funded this research in Wuhan. Now, admittedly, there is no smoking gun. If you research EcoAlliance, it's fairly easy to track the dollars. It's important to keep it in context. Funding this research was illegal at the time. So he had to use an intermediary. His defense for this was the money that went to Wuhan wasn't used for gain of function research. That's beyond laughable. That's essentially me sending money to Pablo Escobar and telling him 'don't use this for cocaine production. ' But again, I don't think that's the smoking gun.

However, this is where Daszak comes in. There are multiple communications between the two that are now public. And here's the smoking gun, in my opinion. Fauci is a scientist. Without any real evidence, Fauci told us that a lab leak was impossible. Forget for a second if it was or wasn't a lab leak. There was no investigation done. No research done. But Fauci immediately told us it's not from a lab leak? That's not what scientists do. That's what someone does when trying to deflect attention. As we now know, a lab leak is quite possible. We'll likely never know for certain, despite a growing mountain of evidence. But the main point is why Fauci disputed that was even possible. There are only two reasons for his coverup. To protect his good friend Daszak or to protect himself.

So I fault Fauci on many aspects. Obviously, the research was not "worth the risk". He was wrong about the possibility of a lab leak. He's not sinister or at fault because the pandemic happened. But if you don't find something sinister about a coverup of the largest pandemic in human history? If he's the golden child people believe he is, 100% of his energy should have been on answers, not protecting himself and / or his friend.

Dcrist0527
09-27-21, 13:32
I suspect this is good news to all. I'm done with the COVID talk. I know it bores most people. And while I love debate, I have found that, like real life, there is no space for actual thought. We all have our beliefs and have no willingness to think beyond our pre-determined beliefs. And that's what scares me. That was my whole point of this unending thread of posts. A closed mind or a fool that thinks they know it all is very dangerous. My true hope is that we all learn to be more discerning with the "news" we ingest. It's hard to do because many have their favorite, trusted talking head. But they all have an agenda. Perhaps the most ludicrous statements I've heard in this thread: 1) It's not about money. 2) Fox News is biased, MSNBC is not. (or vice versa). If you believe those, you really need to challenge yourself!

ScatManDoo
09-27-21, 17:52
There are multiple communications between the two that are now public. And here's the smoking gun, in my opinion. Fauci is a scientist. Without any real evidence, Fauci told us that a lab leak was impossible. Forget for a second if it was or wasn't a lab leak. There was no investigation done. No research done. But Fauci immediately told us it's not from a lab leak? That's not what scientists do. That's what someone does when trying to deflect attention. As we now know, a lab leak is quite possible. We'll likely never know for certain, despite a growing mountain of evidence. But the main point is why Fauci disputed that was even possible. There are only two reasons for his coverup. To protect his good friend Daszak or to protect himself.

So I fault Fauci on many aspects. Obviously, the research was not "worth the risk". He was wrong about the possibility of a lab leak. He's not sinister or at fault because the pandemic happened. But if you don't find something sinister about a coverup of the largest pandemic in human history? If he's the golden child people believe he is, 100% of his energy should have been on answers, not protecting himself and / or his friend.It is a good thing you have decided to stop your poor debating.

You look bad when you claim that there is a mountain of evidence.

When there is 0% evidence you have presented.

Just 100% lame, false, speculation.

Where's the beef? Where are the mountains of beef?

Dcrist0527
09-27-21, 20:50
It is a good thing you have decided to stop your poor debating.

You look bad when you claim that there is a mountain of evidence.

When there is 0% evidence you have presented.

Just 100% lame, false, speculation.

Where's the beef? Where are the mountains of beef?SMD, forgive me. I did not mean to elevate your importance as someone I'm deabting. LOL Your contributions equate to two things: you sticking your fingers in your ear and screaming no, no, no. And you're determination to do nothing to advance your awareness. So in no way did I intend to infer I was debating you. I have much better things to do with my time.

Please return your mind to those Wuhan wet markets. LOL And ignore the scientific evidence within the genome sequence. Ignore the timing discrepancies of the first case. Better yet, insert head back into sand. So curious how you can accept a theory about wet markets with literally no evidence, yet dispute other theories despite real evidence. But as they say, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.

Captain Solo
09-27-21, 23:30
I original thought Mac and Cheese was a member of the Mickey Mouse club, faking his age to talk sex, but his arguments are mature, well-referenced, concise, solid and very convincing.

This pandemic is a horrible disaster to every human and every country in the world, causing millions dead and costing trillions in economic damages. Millions people of the world are dying or going hungry and we still don't know how and how soon the world will recover.

In critical times like this, we should maintain objectivity, avoid crack pot lunatics with their crazy conspiracy theories, and trust only science-based recommendations by responsible elected or appointed officials.

Artisttyp
09-28-21, 00:07
In critical times like this, we should maintain objectivity, avoid crack pot lunatics with their crazy conspiracy theories, and trust only science-based recommendations by responsible elected or appointed officials.And most of all AVOID the fighting amongst each other. We ALL suffer from this event in one way or another.

Captain Solo
09-28-21, 00:29
Artiste,

We are not fighting the crack pots.

We let them find their new CoVid cures from the exotic fumes of country outhouses.

Hadez
09-28-21, 13:32
Fauci is just a bureaucrat who is far from the trenches and thinks more politics than actual logistics on how to save lives imo. Yea he is guilty of some stuff but no more so than any other politician in the USA. It is what the "leaders" of the USA have become.

Now Peter Daszak. Recent reports say him and the Wujan bat woman were both on a paper requesting funding from DARPA to make what could be described as COVID19 . In Sept 2018. There is no doubt to me those two are covering something up.

Fauci may not be involved but at the min he is playing Cover His A** and helping hide the truth.

And honestly the more important reason people should be interested in this is because scientists will take things as far as we let them. It should not surprise anyone there is a chance Covid19 was maybe lab made and accidently leaked. Instead of playing political sides people should tell their elected reps they want this kind of research to stop because in all honestly we are lucky. Some corona viruses have been far more lethal than Covid19 is. If we do not put a stop to this research they may do something even worse in the future.


Not to defend Peter Daszak, and his past, he's trying to hide.

But I really don't see Dr. Fauci masterminding the next Watergate cover-up, nor the beef behind your accusations that he is this sinister mastermind.

Hadez
09-28-21, 13:47
I agree. Problem is when I am talking Establishment Health System most people think about what they know. The nurses and doctors who treat them. The nurses and doctors are in the trenches and they are the as close the Super Heroes as we know imo.

I am talking about the government systems like FDA and NIH which are more corporations than anything else. These entities were already very susceptible to lobby type influences that already is infested most of our government but 10-15 years ago the system was changed so a large chuck of their funding comes from the approval process of new medicine. Mean while because of how the grant process works from the Establishment Health System most doctors will not speak against the Establishment Health System because of fear of losing grants.

Guess to some this can sound conspiracy like but anyone who has worked in a large corporation is familiar with how this power structure works.


The Healthcare system is "interesting" in the US. It wasn't till I started traveling internationally to see how it's kind of messed up in many ways. I have a pre-exiting condition that is kind of a joke as it's never bugged me in over 50 years and didn't know I had it and it may never cause any medical issues. But it got put on a medical record and I have been denied health insurance because of it. There maybe some company that I could get insurance from with crazy high rates.

I started looking into getting health care overseas once I retire etc. A lot of good options are available. Many of my coworkers have Simsa down in Tijuana for their families and they are very happy with the care and I am thinking of doing that once I retire. Here is a great video clip from a Expat who travels the world and gives advice on health care, money management, best places to retire etc. (truth is I don't want to "retire" to a location. I love to travel so this whole topic of "retire to "x" country is a bit of a joke to me. I don't want to just go to one country to die.

https://youtu.be/koYN-Da9Qnw

G.

Hadez
09-28-21, 13:53
It is all big business where profits are measured in the hundreds of millions and the more people they get aligned with the system the more money is made.

Just like Big Oil and NRA have their hands so far up the Right and Right-Media we know that side will never act against it. The Establishment Health System has just as much control of the Left and the Mainstream media so that side will never act against it. We may see a lot of talk of getting Big Pharma under control but nothing will ever happen. There may even be something small sacrificed to keep the voters happy but the major change will always seem just out of reach.


It makes me chuckle. How much do we hear about big oil milking every red cent out of us? Or big banks? Or defense contractors. But somehow, we believe big pharma is the beacon of corporate ethics. LMAO.

One thing I'm certain of is to follow the money. Is Pfizer, that great shining star of ethos, skipping all profits while selling billions of doses? LOL. But someone posted this isn't about the money.

If it's not about money, why is Peter Daszak worried more about covering his own tail vs getting to the bottom of greatest infectious challenge in human history? And why is Fauci aiding in this coverup? Hmmm. Could it be money? Nah.

But here again, facts don't matter. Most aren't even curious. Because people prefer to say this is a political issue. It is anything but. It is an existential issue.

Dcrist0527
09-28-21, 14:21
In critical times like this, we should maintain objectivity, avoid crack pot lunatics with their crazy conspiracy theories, and trust only science-based recommendations by responsible elected or appointed officials.Responsible official. Hmmm. Direct quote from Anthony Fauci years before our current situation:

"In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?

Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario however remote should the initial experiments have been performed and / or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision? Scientists working in this field might say as indeed I have said that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks."

So, this is the responsible leader we need? Seriously? Do you agree with him that it was worth the risk?

ScatManDoo
09-28-21, 19:18
SMD, forgive me. I did not mean to elevate your importance as someone I'm deabting. LOL Your contributions equate to two things: you sticking your fingers in your ear and screaming no, no, no. And you're determination to do nothing to advance your awareness. So in no way did I intend to infer I was debating you. I have much better things to do with my time.

Please return your mind to those Wuhan wet markets. LOL And ignore the scientific evidence within the genome sequence. Ignore the timing discrepancies of the first case. Better yet, insert head back into sand. So curious how you can accept a theory about wet markets with literally no evidence, yet dispute other theories despite real evidence. But as they say, ignorance is bliss. Enjoy it.Scientific "evidence within the genome sequence" being ignored.

What fucking evidence are you blabbering about?

Again, you are going on and on about evidence that proves Dr. Fauci is a sinister fraud. And yet. No fucking evidence.

Just claims and speculation, now with additional blabber thrown in.

When are you retiring from debating?

Seems like it was yesterday.

Additionally. I don't know when the first "Official" case of Covid-19 occurred, or how that establishes culpability on Dr. Fauci's part.

But our Airforce surveillance cameras have lots of pictures of Wuhan area hospitals with parking lots that began overflowing in October 2019. Too bad our worst president ever stopped our country / s monitoring for epidemic outbreaks was stopped in October 2018. Bring some evidence that Dr. Fauci supported the removal of Obama's monitors if you are looking for real evidence against Dr. Fauci.

Jackie888
09-28-21, 19:26
I got dibs on the HK VIP card belonging to Dcrist when he dies from the Covid. Don't anyone else claim it before me.

Captain Solo
09-28-21, 23:31
Jackie,

You get the card on odd days, I get it on even days and weekend.

Dcrist0527
09-29-21, 00:02
Jackie,

You get the card on odd days, I get it on even days and weekend.Bad news for you both. I have both natural and vaxxed immunity. LOL.

Maybe you should check actual mortality rates though. I am not concerned.

Phordphan
09-30-21, 21:30
While we're on the subject, does anybody know the etiquette for bringing my own food to Azul? Asking for a friend.

Dcrist0527
10-01-21, 13:58
While we're on the subject, does anybody know the etiquette for bringing my own food to Azul? Asking for a friend.LMAO I don't mean any disrespect to the OP, but damn. Can I bring my own alcohol to a bar?

Gregyyr
10-02-21, 16:53
While we're on the subject, does anybody know the etiquette for bringing my own food to Azul? Asking for a friend.If your eating with him then maybe but if he really wants to I would just have him order something. Food preferably. Just something inexpensive. Then eat the rest of his food he brings in.

Just bringing in food and not ordering anything. Is not good. He need to help pay for the ambiance. Support that place for gods sake. You know how rare a nice place to chill above a street in a red light district is.

If they do say anything just say sorry. And order something and put away his food.

Support that place and the waiters. Come on.

G.

Jackie888
10-14-21, 02:48
Food is cheap in Tijuana. I would just give my food to someone on the streets and order from the restaurant. There are always someone begging for a dollar.

Captain Solo
10-15-21, 16:58
Someone with restrictive diet, and have to pack their onw food, should be able to bring it in Tijuana restaurants if he at least orders drinks and tips them generously, especially if he keeps his wingmen company.

We would buy the red Bohemia beers from OXXO or the corner stores and bring them in Al Capone, Mariscos Que LE Damos, El Choforo ect to drink with their food. They even store any excess bottles in their cooler for next week hehe. Al Capone has no beer and Mariscos place only stock the brown Bohemia, which is ridiculously sweet. We usually tip them generously for that privilege. The workers remember our faces and habits so they tolerate us. Waitresses at El Choforo were flirting with my wingmen but they are heavier than I like.

I don't like to eat carb, not the corn tortillas, so at the HK taco stand I usually tell the cook "Sin tortilla" then put a few coins into his tip bottle. He would usually double the sizzling meat serving, 2 for the price of 1 plus tip hehe. Same with the Sopa de Rez. I would put tips in his pocket and he would give me unlimited refills of that delicious beef soup, even add stewed meat on refills.

It's bad news Al Capone is closed. Its caldo de rez was delicious and good comfort food late at night.

You have rights as customers. Don't be afraid of any harassments or insults. If the workers give you any problems, explain to them or talk to owners / managers. Worst case you just have to put your own food away.

ScatManDoo
10-15-21, 20:07
I don't like to eat carb, not the corn tortillas, so at the HK taco stand I usually tell the cook "Sin tortilla" then put a few coins into his tip bottle. He would usually double the sizzling meat serving, 2 for the price of 1 plus tip hehe. Same with the Sopa de Rez. I would put tips in his pocket and he would give me unlimited refills of that delicious beef soup, even add stewed meat on refills.That's a great strategy! I never thought to do this.

As a diabetic myself, enjoying something like this would be great.

Thanks Captain.

Captain Solo
10-16-21, 19:30
Perhaps after 2 free tacos Santa Claus SMDick can show the bros his strategy for getting 2 BBBJs for the price of one?

ScatManDoo
10-16-21, 20:28
Perhaps after 2 free tacos Santa Claus SMDick can show the bros his strategy for getting 2 BBBJs for the price of one?Dos regalos.

Jackie888
10-18-21, 02:05
So I exited HK and into the alley when I hear a loud "quarto". But this time it was followed by a "marijuana". Then followed by a "cocaine". Then followed by a "Meth". In perfect English.

What the fuck? I look across the street, and the normal Mexican dealer is now replace by a tall fucking gringo in his 60's. He is pimping away his drugs, selling it like ice-cream. Fucking dick. I hope someone puts him down.

HellBoyX
10-19-21, 22:05
Hey guys,

Trying to find a way to enjoy my time in Tijuana with minimum risk. I know Mary Jane is illegal and its a huge risk. I totally get that. I can't bring it across with me because I have to walk, and I didn't really want to trust one of those people saying they will give you a ride. I'm a combat vet from the 03-08 error, that did not just have a desk job. I've become a lot more functional since using small doses of Mary Jane, and it reduces my episodes. Lifes kinda sucked the last few years, so I am taking this ME cation to Tijuana in an attempt to just, well enjoy life a bit. Get a reason to carry on again. I've been to Tijuana multiple times, so I know the basics, and that you cannot really trust people. I know its selfish, I know its risky but I was hoping to find some way to just get some while I was there. I have no intention on just sitting in my room stoning up. Just small amounts and only when necessary. I thought about going back and forth each day on foot to CA and just dosing while there if necessary, but that seems like a major pain in the butt, and not really possible if its late. Sorry for the long post, I know it sounds like BS and maybe it is, maybe ill be fine. I would just enjoy it more if I didn't have to worry about any demons potentially popping up. I doubt they will, I am well under control, but with my nerves going a little higher being in Tijuana. Ya never know. I'll be there next week. Thanks.

Sol12
10-19-21, 23:55
Hey guys,

Trying to find a way to enjoy my time in Tijuana with minimum risk. I know Mary Jane is illegal and its a huge risk. I totally get that. I can't bring it across with me because I have to walk, and I didn't really want to trust one of those people saying they will give you a ride. I'm a combat vet from the 03-08 error, that did not just have a desk job. I've become a lot more functional since using small doses of Mary Jane, and it reduces my episodes. Lifes kinda sucked the last few years, so I am taking this ME cation to Tijuana in an attempt to just, well enjoy life a bit. Get a reason to carry on again. I've been to Tijuana multiple times, so I know the basics, and that you cannot really trust people. I know its selfish, I know its risky but I was hoping to find some way to just get some while I was there. I have no intention on just sitting in my room stoning up. Just small amounts and only when necessary. I thought about going back and forth each day on foot to CA and just dosing while there if necessary, but that seems like a major pain in the butt, and not really possible if its late. Sorry for the long post, I know it sounds like BS and maybe it is, maybe ill be fine. I would just enjoy it more if I didn't have to worry about any demons potentially popping up. I doubt they will, I am well under control, but with my nerves going a little higher being in Tijuana. Ya never know. I'll be there next week. Thanks.I don't recommend trying to get it from anyone but if I was to choose I'd either find a chica that likes to get high and have her bring some to the room. The other thing is talk to a waiter and see what he says. I've had strangers offer me pills, had some other guy just walk by and give me and the girl I was with a little lace bag with powder in it. So it's not like the stuff isn't available and smoking is less of a risk than pills or other things that you have no idea what they are really.

Member #4730
10-20-21, 00:52
Hey guys,

Trying to find a way to enjoy my time in Tijuana with minimum risk. I know Mary Jane is illegal and its a huge risk. I totally get that. I can't bring it across with me because I have to walk, and I didn't really want to trust one of those people saying they will give you a ride. I'm a combat vet from the 03-08 error, that did not just have a desk job. I've become a lot more functional since using small doses of Mary Jane, and it reduces my episodes. Lifes kinda sucked the last few years, so I am taking this ME cation to Tijuana in an attempt to just, well enjoy life a bit. Get a reason to carry on again. I've been to Tijuana multiple times, so I know the basics, and that you cannot really trust people. I know its selfish, I know its risky but I was hoping to find some way to just get some while I was there. I have no intention on just sitting in my room stoning up. Just small amounts and only when necessary. I thought about going back and forth each day on foot to CA and just dosing while there if necessary, but that seems like a major pain in the butt, and not really possible if its late. Sorry for the long post, I know it sounds like BS and maybe it is, maybe ill be fine. I would just enjoy it more if I didn't have to worry about any demons potentially popping up. I doubt they will, I am well under control, but with my nerves going a little higher being in Tijuana. Ya never know. I'll be there next week. Thanks.We should meet up one day. I'm also a combat vet and served from 00-08. Also have struggles daily, but the gym definitely helps keep perspective. I usually drive across and meet up with my regular. I'm heading back down tomorrow night and staying until Friday. I hope the VA is helping you out. Good luck bro and know you're not the only one in the suck.

BrockStar
10-20-21, 01:12
Hey guys,

Trying to find a way to enjoy my time in Tijuana with minimum risk. I know Mary Jane is illegal and its a huge risk. I totally get that. I can't bring it across with me because I have to walk, and I didn't really want to trust one of those people saying they will give you a ride. I'm a combat vet from the 03-08 error, that did not just have a desk job. I've become a lot more functional since using small doses of Mary Jane, and it reduces my episodes. Lifes kinda sucked the last few years, so I am taking this ME cation to Tijuana in an attempt to just, well enjoy life a bit. Get a reason to carry on again. I've been to Tijuana multiple times, so I know the basics, and that you cannot really trust people. I know its selfish, I know its risky but I was hoping to find some way to just get some while I was there. I have no intention on just sitting in my room stoning up. Just small amounts and only when necessary. I thought about going back and forth each day on foot to CA and just dosing while there if necessary, but that seems like a major pain in the butt, and not really possible if its late. Sorry for the long post, I know it sounds like BS and maybe it is, maybe ill be fine. I would just enjoy it more if I didn't have to worry about any demons potentially popping up. I doubt they will, I am well under control, but with my nerves going a little higher being in Tijuana. Ya never know. I'll be there next week. Thanks.You can get the cheap stuff (aka Mexican brown weed) from the street in Zona Norte. I dunno how comfy ISG is with us discussing where to buy MJ, you can PM and I'll tell you exactly how / where to get it.

WombatEd2
10-20-21, 23:19
Hey guys,

Trying to find a way to enjoy my time in Tijuana with minimum risk. I know Mary Jane is illegal and its a huge risk. I totally get that. I can't bring it across with me because I have to walk, and I didn't really want to trust one of those people saying they will give you a ride. I'm a combat vet from the 03-08 error, that did not just have a desk job. I've become a lot more functional since using small doses of Mary Jane, and it reduces my episodes. Lifes kinda sucked the last few years, so I am taking this ME cation to Tijuana in an attempt to just, well enjoy life a bit. Get a reason to carry on again. I've been to Tijuana multiple times, so I know the basics, and that you cannot really trust people. I know its selfish, I know its risky but I was hoping to find some way to just get some while I was there. I have no intention on just sitting in my room stoning up. Just small amounts and only when necessary. I thought about going back and forth each day on foot to CA and just dosing while there if necessary, but that seems like a major pain in the butt, and not really possible if its late. Sorry for the long post, I know it sounds like BS and maybe it is, maybe ill be fine. I would just enjoy it more if I didn't have to worry about any demons potentially popping up. I doubt they will, I am well under control, but with my nerves going a little higher being in Tijuana. Ya never know. I'll be there next week. Thanks.You'll have BIG problems if you get caught with weed in Mexico. And the street dealers reputedly* tip off the police so they can get a cut of the bribe.

*I read it on the internutz, so it's got to be true.

Big Magick
10-20-21, 23:46
Hey guys,

Trying to find a way to enjoy my time in Tijuana with minimum risk. I know Mary Jane is illegal and its a huge risk. I totally get that. I can't bring it across with me because I have to walk, and I didn't really want to trust one of those people saying they will give you a ride. I'm a combat vet from the 03-08 error, that did not just have a desk job. I've become a lot more functional since using small doses of Mary Jane, and it reduces my episodes. Lifes kinda sucked the last few years, so I am taking this ME cation to Tijuana in an attempt to just, well enjoy life a bit. Get a reason to carry on again. I've been to Tijuana multiple times, so I know the basics, and that you cannot really trust people. I know its selfish, I know its risky but I was hoping to find some way to just get some while I was there. I have no intention on just sitting in my room stoning up. Just small amounts and only when necessary. I thought about going back and forth each day on foot to CA and just dosing while there if necessary, but that seems like a major pain in the butt, and not really possible if its late. Sorry for the long post, I know it sounds like BS and maybe it is, maybe ill be fine. I would just enjoy it more if I didn't have to worry about any demons potentially popping up. I doubt they will, I am well under control, but with my nerves going a little higher being in Tijuana. Ya never know. I'll be there next week. Thanks.I would just chat up the bar girls, a lot of them smoke bud. Some even hit their pens inside HK, just ask, sharing is part of the stoner culture. Dude no way I can compare my life to being a vet but banging hookers got me out of some dark times. The zona girls fucked the depression / sadness out of me. Really has given me a reason to keep going. Best of luck to you.

HellBoyX
10-21-21, 14:39
We should meet up one day. I'm also a combat vet and served from 00-08. Also have struggles daily, but the gym definitely helps keep perspective. I usually drive across and meet up with my regular. I'm heading back down tomorrow night and staying until Friday. I hope the VA is helping you out. Good luck bro and know you're not the only one in the suck.Thank you all in advance for your input. And for not thinking I am just some stoner that cannot put down the bong for a few days (not that there is anything wrong with that if that makes you happy, just not the case here). I also appreciate you all for your thanks, and for your support. I will be in Tijuana from the 27th and leaving on the 30th, so I am very game for meeting up for a drink sometime if anyone wants to.[Deleted by Admin] Just have to be anonymous and I want to find a way to get BTC and pay that way LOL. Brockstar thanks for your information. When I can find a way to do so I will PM you. In the interim I think I will try the Chica route. I don't know why but I just get so nervous with new women. Like I know they are there to entertain us and be social, but even after years of hobbying. I still get nervous. Of course where I am from, you do not really get to sit in a bar and socialize LOL I have some great memories from Tijuana back in 19. Some of the best sex I have ever had, but this was after repeated trips to Tijuana every few months so I was getting more use to the experience and the game. Now with COVID changing everything. I feel like I may just need a little help getting comfortable, and coping with my anxiety. Plus with the extra need to be aware of your surroundings and the people. Just want to make sure I am ok.

Jmioffe
10-26-21, 15:16
you can fuck who and what you want, i wont judge you like you do with everyone. Well, we agree on the "fuck who you want" part. We disagree on the violence though. I think most people would be okay judging guys who want to assault people.

Captain Solo
10-26-21, 16:27
It's rude to patronize see be Joe as "boy."

CB joe is old, seasoned and wise enough to be a grand pa to most guys in this forum.

Quote Originally Posted by NeverOnce.

Not stupid. True. I don't believe any of us can be upstanding honest men with the putas. It works both ways. That's my point, a brothel is for transactional sex.

SeaBeeJoe
10-26-21, 17:21
I wrote back to the haters, but unfortunately was censored. By the admin here. I will only say that I don't hate anyone and my opinion I reflected I will stand by. I don't believe in violence except in self defense which I believe everyone has a right to. Anyways we are all mongers with various kinks, likes, dislikes, and hates. Just pay for what turns you on, on these boards are only opinions and nothing else, if you can do it better, more to you.

SeaBeeJoe
10-26-21, 17:38
It's rude to patronize see be Joe as "boy."

CB joe is old, seasoned and wise enough to be a grand pa to most guys in this forum.

Quote Originally Posted by NeverOnce.

Not stupid. True. I don't believe any of us can be upstanding honest men with the putas. It works both ways. That's my point, a brothel is for transactional sex.Thanks Captain you're a true gentleman. Sorry if offended people with my feelings on Trannies. Look I only. Believe in violence when it is necessary for self defense. [Deleted by Admin]

SpeedToys
10-26-21, 20:15
It's rude to patronize see be Joe as "boy."

CB joe is old, seasoned and wise enough to be a grand pa to most guys in this forum.

Quote Originally Posted by NeverOnce.

Not stupid. True. I don't believe any of us can be upstanding honest men with the putas. It works both ways. That's my point, a brothel is for transactional sex.

Age does not infer maturity or wisdom CS. And the forum doesn't tell me how old anyone is, my statement was made according to the maturity level I read in the posts. An emotional and physical reaction to a series of poor choices one makes...is not what _I_ would guess comes from an older person with years and wisdom behind them.

Anyone who says out loud, that they would assault someone because of -their- poor choices, is not a mature reasoned adult. Even if they believe they are anonymous (which they are not if someone REALLY wanted to know)...

No matter how old they are.

The man who slashed a girl a year ago..did his age require us to view him..as wise or mature, is there an age at which his actions were acceptable since you are suggesting age REQUIRES a level of respected wisdom and maturity? No, he murdered someone because he -felt- shorted somehow. Period.



We don't support people who think like that, SPEAK like that, or act like that. I think this is a very important discussion to have.


We've been talking a lot about the girls this..the girls that "Because they're prostitutes"...but sometimes we need to look at what the broad (street to high end) brothel environment draws in on the male end as well. And judge what statements we deem acceptable. Is a poster that says they would do these things..just joking? Would you believe him if he said he was after being called out for it?

Betcha the guy that cut up that girl muttered it over a beer once..and said he was just joking too...

Mod: I accept the point given today as well. I was out of line making it personal.

SeaBeeJoe
10-26-21, 21:06
Age does not infer maturity or wisdom CS. And the forum doesn't tell me how old anyone is, my statement was made according to the maturity level I read in the posts. An emotional and physical reaction to a series of poor choices one makes...is not what _I_ would guess comes from an older person with years and wisdom behind them.

Anyone who says out loud, that they would assault someone because of -their- poor choices, is not a mature reasoned adult. Even if they believe they are anonymous (which they are not if someone REALLY wanted to know)...

No matter how old they are.

The man who slashed a girl a year ago..did his age require us to view him..as wise or mature, is there an age at which his actions were acceptable since you are suggesting age REQUIRES a level of respected wisdom and maturity? No, he murdered someone because he -felt- shorted somehow. Period..Bro you need to chill out. I only believe in self defense and I have a right to post me opinion like you do. At the end of the day maybe you ought to not take everything written here so seriously. If you don't like it then why don't you go elsewhere because I have not seen you contribute to these forums in any positive way. You going to pop a blood vessel letting everything stress you out. Anyways if I offended you about jesting about Tranasexuals then I apologize for it. I promise not to post about violence again. Ok? Have a good day.

SpeedToys
10-26-21, 22:01
but unfortunately was censored. BYou were not censored.

This is a private entity, and you have no rights here.

That too, is knowledge that comes with maturity. Not just age.

You don't hate, and violence is only in self defense. Unless a ladyboy skips though your screen, and you would assault them.

This is the core issue you asked to be judged by. Nobody made you say it. You put it out there matter of fact.

Let's just hear about your Zona conquests.

SeaBeeJoe
10-26-21, 22:54
You were not censored.

This is a private entity, and you have no rights here.

That too, is knowledge that comes with maturity. Not just age.

You don't hate, and violence is only in self defense. Unless a ladyboy skips though your screen, and you would assault them.

This is the core issue you asked to be judged by. Nobody made you say it. You put it out there matter of fact.

Let's just hear about your Zona conquests.OK bro sounds good, sorry if I offended you. What I wrote was taken out of context it was meant as a joke. I don't want to hurt anyone trannies included, everyone desires respect as long as they respect others. I do believe in self defense and refuse to be a target or a victim. Have a good day.

SeaBeeJoe
10-26-21, 23:15
I think there's some kind insecurity / gay panic psychology that goes on with this kind of violence.

Guys are so afraid of being gay, and the tranny has inadvertently revealed that part of them that they hate. They can't destroy the part of themselves that creates the hated gayness, so they "shoot the messenger."Please. Elaborate on this, I am curious on your thought process.

NeverOnce
10-26-21, 23:55
But that does not constitute a dishonest person, at face value.

Which blanket rule do you want?I'm just on here to share stories and opinions. Not interested in this type of back and forth to prove or disprove.

I have no need to be "right". Just here for fun.

SeaBeeJoe
10-27-21, 00:38
I'm just on here to share stories and opinions. Not interested in this type of back and forth to prove or disprove.

I have no need to be "right". Just here for fun.I do think some people need to chill a bit, these posts are only opinions and not a reflection of real life.

SpeedToys
10-27-21, 03:20
Please. Elaborate on this, I am curious on your thought process.No you're not. You just want to stir it up.

You're old enough to be wise enough to be hip on centuries old material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/franklin.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+hate+inside+latent+homosexuality&rlz=1 C5 CHFA_enUS725 US725&oq=the+hate+inside+latent+homosexuality&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i64 l3. 9704 j1 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.

Captain Solo
10-27-21, 07:36
Guys,

Who are attracted to lady boys' large sizes, fake and exaggerated looks, stiff femininity, perverted personalities and kinky sex, have latent homosexual genes.

We should not argue with or get near them, lest they may turn violent trying to conceal their homosexual inclination and to prove their macho man image.

Wonder what would happen if Dr. Dian Fossey shows the alpha ape her suspicion of his latent homosexuality hehe.

SeaBeeJoe
10-27-21, 08:15
No you're not. You just want to stir it up.

You're old enough to be wise enough to be hip on centuries old material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/franklin.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+hate+inside+latent+homosexuality&rlz=1 C5 CHFA_enUS725 US725&oq=the+hate+inside+latent+homosexuality&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i64 l3. 9704 j1 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.Bro you really need some help, I wish you luck in this. Mental illness is no joke.

SeaBeeJoe
10-27-21, 08:16
No you're not. You just want to stir it up.

You're old enough to be wise enough to be hip on centuries old material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/franklin.html

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+hate+inside+latent+homosexuality&rlz=1 C5 CHFA_enUS725 US725&oq=the+hate+inside+latent+homosexuality&aqs=chrome. 69 i57 j69 i64 l3. 9704 j1 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.It is good you know all about this topic it seems your a bit of an expert in it.

LuvMexicanas
10-27-21, 16:39
Bro you really need some help, I wish you luck in this. Mental illness is no joke.When you write the things you did such as, "That's why I never went to Thailand I am deathly afraid of trannies. I know I would go to jail for assaulting one if I ever made the mistake of going up with one" or the comment you made about being more afraid of trannies than aids, you absolutely open yourself up to the topic. The most homophobic guy is often the one who has gay tendencies. You seem ultra transphobic so naturally you opened yourself up to the posts from Jmioffe and Speedtoys.

SpeedToys
10-27-21, 19:08
It is good you know all about this topic it seems your a bit of an expert in it.Beats ignorance.

It's a choice one makes, isn't it.

Captain Solo
10-27-21, 21:03
If guys go to a restaurant and buy beef steaks but are served dog meat, they would all likely get very upset. They are both meats, but some meats are repulsive to certain people.

The same logic applies here. If someone represents herself as a women then produces a big, stiff dick in bed, they are likely to face some extreme reactions.

Exceptions may be latent homosexuals who are naturally attracted to big, strong physique, stiff posture, aggressive manners, deep voices, may be even big, long dicks.

SeaBeeJoe
10-28-21, 03:11
If guys go to a restaurant and buy beef steaks but are served dog meat, they would all likely get very upset. They are both meats, but some meats are repulsive to certain people.

The same logic applies here. If someone represents herself as a women then produces a big, stiff dick in bed, they are likely to face some extreme reactions.

Exceptions may be latent homosexuals who are naturally attracted to big, strong physique, stiff posture, aggressive manners, deep voices, may be even big, long dicks.Your right Captain, but be careful there some some bros here take everything written in these forums as literal. The are the same guys who probably take the chicas serious too. Sorry guys I am heterosexual, meaning I love women. Please don't pass your phobias onto me I am secure in myself. Now if I wrote some stuff out of jest and it offended you all then I will monitor what I write in the future. But some of the bros on these forums make it miserable to post articles without the critique of bros who just want to be argumentative and combative.

SeaBeeJoe
10-28-21, 03:20
Guys,

Who are attracted to lady boys' large sizes, fake and exaggerated looks, stiff femininity, perverted personalities and kinky sex, have latent homosexual genes.

We should not argue with or get near them, lest they may turn violent trying to conceal their homosexual inclination and to prove their macho man image.

Wonder what would happen if Dr. Dian Fossey shows the alpha ape her suspicion of his latent homosexuality hehe.I agree Captain it's the bros choice what he wants. Good for him, I won't judge their choice. Meanwhile I will be in Hk chatting up the chicas. Please join me for a drink.

Dogers69
10-28-21, 05:25
If guys go to a restaurant and buy beef steaks but are served dog meat, they would all likely get very upset. They are both meats, but some meats are repulsive to certain people.

The same logic applies here. If someone represents herself as a women then produces a big, stiff dick in bed, they are likely to face some extreme reactions.

Exceptions may be latent homosexuals who are naturally attracted to big, strong physique, stiff posture, aggressive manners, deep voices, may be even big, long dicks.Solo is very tough on the trans. A David Chappelle clone. I guess I find the whole idea amusing, that a girl can actually trick a guy. I don't think I can be tricked. I like short girls anyway. I can see how guys into tall girls can end up in trouble. These girls are tougher than your street drug dealers. Well most of them. You do not want to get into a fight or even put your hands on them. I see and hear them in the hotel. The shit I hear is quite scary. The worst HK chick is easier to deal with than these girls.

LuvMexicanas
10-28-21, 15:24
But some of the bros on these forums make it miserable to post articles without the critique of bros who just want to be argumentative and combative.Are you serious? You just set the record for most posts taken down for being argumentative. I don't recall anyone, not even your Star Wars idol, getting half a dozen points in a 1-2 day span. You should consider thinking more before you write.

Captain Solo
10-28-21, 18:07
Yep. Trannies are very dangerous combination of women's hot, explosive temper and deviousness with the muscles, strength, aggressiveness and meanness of frustrated, mistreated men. Trannies in Bangkok can be tougher than street dealers. They are mean, aggressive, easily offended can beat the crap out of you in a fight.

After a couple drinks and with hormones pumping, guys have been duped to go to bed with trannies.

Guys with latent homosexual genes are naturally attracted the androgynous looks and feels of hermaphrodites, half boy, half girl, some look stunning with their exotic beauty.

SeaBeeJoe
10-28-21, 19:11
Are you serious? You just set the record for most posts taken down for being argumentative. I don't recall anyone, not even your Star Wars idol, getting half a dozen points in a 1-2 day span. You should consider thinking more before you write.Point taking bro thank you. To error is human, I accept mine. People do take shit literal sometimes so you must be careful what you write. Anyways more stories about chicas are in order. I will add a few next week in visit Tijuana again. Have a good on!

Captain Solo
10-28-21, 21:00
Guys sometimes port outrageous things in jest to be funny with their friends.

If you are not their friends or not finding it funny, I suggest don't take every posts personally, literally or seriously. Just let it go. This forum is not a court of law and you should not try to be the judge, jury or executioner.

People have their personal tastes, preferences, inclinations developed and fine tuned by genetic make ups, upbringing, knowledge, experiences. It's futile and it usually back fires to try to change their views or tastes. But if you want to be helpful, present your views in the most helpful and constructive ways. That way you are more likely appreciated, gain new friends instead of enemies.

A few ISG friends have given me infos, tips, guidance to have some of the funniest. Sexiest, most erotic and exotic, and most memorable experiences in Mexico and other countries. These friends are worth hanging out with, buying drinks and putas for.

LuvMexicanas
10-28-21, 21:22
Guys sometimes port outrageous things in jest to be funny with their friends.Yes indeed. You've shown us that early and often in your attempts to entertain the bros. Hehe.

DramaFree11
10-28-21, 22:00
Guys sometimes port outrageous things in jest to be funny with their friends.

If you are not their friends or not finding it funny, I suggest don't take every posts personally, literally or seriously. Just let it go. This forum is not a court of law and you should not try to be the judge, jury or executioner.

People have their personal tastes, preferences, inclinations developed and fine tuned by genetic make ups, upbringing, knowledge, experiences. It's futile and it usually back fires to try to change their views or tastes. But if you want to be helpful, present your views in the most helpful and constructive ways. That way you are more likely appreciated, gain new friends instead of enemies.

A few ISG friends have given me infos, tips, guidance to have some of the funniest. Sexiest, most erotic and exotic, and most memorable experiences in Mexico and other countries. These friends are worth hanging out with, buying drinks and putas for.Yep, L. M, is jealous of you and others because we are having fun. Something is should try, instead of complaining. He has had many of his posts deleted, but he only remembers what is convenient at the time. Keep having fun!

Phordphan
10-28-21, 22:17
Solo is very tough on the trans. A David Chappelle clone. I guess I find the whole idea amusing, that a girl can actually trick a guy. I don't think I can be tricked. I like short girls anyway. I can see how guys into tall girls can end up in trouble. These girls are tougher than your street drug dealers. Well most of them. You do not want to get into a fight or even put your hands on them. I see and hear them in the hotel. The shit I hear is quite scary. The worst HK chick is easier to deal with than these girls.So many guys go to Thailand once, or twice, and are suddenly experts on all aspects of the culture. Pre-Covid the most profitable bars in Nana Plaza, just as an example, were the ladyboy bars. So, if one were a pretty LB, one has a ready and willing market. If one were an ugly LB, well, no amount of makeup is going to disguise someone who looks like a guy in a dress. The whole "ladyboy duped me" legend is probably on par with the "donkey show" legends. Maybe they happened years ago, but are no longer valid today.

Ladyboy street pickpockets in Bangkok are another story entirely.

LuvMexicanas
10-28-21, 22:54
Yep, L. M, is jealous of you and others because we are having fun. Something is should try, instead of complaining. He has had many of his posts deleted, but he only remembers what is convenient at the time. Keep having fun!The troll who lied about having been to Tijuana so many times during the pandemic has returned. He was already outed and ran off but continues to return for more.

SpeedToys
10-28-21, 23:09
These friends are worth hanging out with, buying drinks and putas for.Just bring your own silverware to slice the steak with.

Captain Solo
10-29-21, 08:15
You need a chain saw to see you through Azul's shoe leather steaks hehe. Just kidding. Azul's steaks are no where as tough as shoe leather. Unless the kitchen cut them up, it's hard to cut them with plastic knives in the dark.

Azul's steaks got smaller after CoVid, but are still fairly good and good values, if you can have the meseros instruct Azul to grill a medium rare, not burn it to a crisp, cut it up so you don't have to with plastic knives. A wingman usually orders arrachera, which is skirt steak. Azul's grills it fairly tender; at home he would make it so tough and inedible. He also usually orders 2 steaks to take home because they are good and cheap. Besides, his wife is a vegetarian and would never cook meat for him. Good food and good sex with hot girls. He has lots of incentives to keep going to HK.

Also the main bar around the Pista Norte is way too dark, you cannot even see what's on the plate and what you put in your mouth. It's better to go up to Miami's second floor where there are lots of empty tables and fewer people, so you can relax and eat in peace.

Don't worry. The chicas will still find you in Miami, hitting you up for fichas and sessions. I had a hot young spinner sit on my lap, eating my steak, drink fichas, talking, singing, dancing, wigging her butt nonstop, while I had both hands on her fabulous boobs and in her crotch, occasionally kissing her mouth. She had a good appetite, ate most of my steak quickly, really enjoyed it. She was just too cute and way tooo much fun. A tall, beautiful blonde sat with my wingman. She wanted $200 for a session. My wingman turned her down and she went off in a huff like she was offended hehe.

We had a lot of fun sharing food and drinks with the chicas. Sneak a few tequila shots to the chicas and they will go wild in the club and in the hotel hehe.

Steven
10-29-21, 09:39
I am a strong believer in letting people be who they are. And that includes me because I don't want to be with any woman who used to be a man. A good way to develop skills in identification of trans people is to go to a site like Chaturbate that has a whole separate area for trans. You can scan the rooms and look for a common physical features that might be indicators, and some are even kind enough that you can chat with them and they could give you inside information that might not be apparent to diehard heterosexuals like us. In 40 years of practicing this hobby all around the world, I can think of three incidences when I could have used a better eye and clearer head. And maybe even more that I don't even realize.

SeaBeeJoe
10-29-21, 11:59
I am a strong believer in letting people be who they are. And that includes me because I don't want to be with any woman who used to be a man. A good way to develop skills in identification of trans people is to go to a site like Chaturbate that has a whole separate area for trans. You can scan the rooms and look for a common physical features that might be indicators, and some are even kind enough that you can chat with them and they could give you inside information that might not be apparent to diehard heterosexuals like us. In 40 years of practicing this hobby all around the world, I can think of three incidences when I could have used a better eye and clearer head. And maybe even more that I don't even realize.In Tijuana they seem easy to spot. In other parts of the world like Thailand I am not so sure.

DramaFree11
10-29-21, 16:48
Yep, L. M, is jealous of you and others because we are having fun. Something is should try, instead of complaining. He has had many of his posts deleted, but he only remembers what is convenient at the time. Keep having fun!L. M. You truly one of the most angry and jealous guys on any page. Keep complaining, while we keep having fun.

Captain Solo
10-29-21, 17:04
You can let trannies be what they are, but mean, muscular, big and tall trannies demand rights to compete against little girls in high school and college sports.

Texas lets them know how unfair that is.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049634164/texas-new-law-restricts-transgender-athletes-participation-on-school-sports-team

LuvMexicanas
10-29-21, 20:09
L. M. You truly one of the most angry and jealous guys on any page. Keep complaining, while we keep having fun.You have zero credibility on the Tijuana threads (you got stone cold busted lying) so why you keep coming around I do not understand but whatever.

ScatManDoo
10-29-21, 20:27
You have zero credibility on the Tijuana threads (you got stone cold busted lying) so why you keep coming around I do not understand but whatever.Maybe DramaFreak would be a better handle for him.

DramaFree11
10-29-21, 20:54
L. M. Thanks for proving my point as always. Try having some fun and stop complaining.

Kiev / MDE Suck! Mxico / Russia Rock!

LuvMexicanas
10-29-21, 21:50
Kiev / MDE Suck! Mxico / Russia Rock!SMD nailed it: DramaFreak should be your handle.

LuvMexicanas
10-29-21, 22:49
Maybe DramaFreak would be a better handle for him.No debate on that from me.

Hadez
10-30-21, 12:39
I think a good place to start the discussion is lets go ahead and combined women and men sports. Why have a NBA and a WNBA? Why have men soccer and women soccer? Why have men boxing and women boxing? Once people agree there should be different leagues then it is usually pretty easy to get people to understand the tranny in sports concept.

There is a lot of drama around this person currently so not going to quote him but I think it is best said like this. We can support people in whatever choices they want to make to be happy. We should limit the expectations on what the rest of the world is expected to participate in that individual's self image.

People can identify as Tinkerbell if they want but I should not be expected to act like Peter Pan so they can feel better about their choice. Extreme example to make the point clear.


You can let trannies be what they are, but mean, muscular, big and tall trannies demand rights to compete against little girls in high school and college sports.

Texas lets them know how unfair that is.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049634164/texas-new-law-restricts-transgender-athletes-participation-on-school-sports-team

Gregyyr
10-30-21, 16:01
You can let trannies be what they are, but mean, muscular, big and tall trannies demand rights to compete against little girls in high school and college sports.

Texas lets them know how unfair that is.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/27/1049634164/texas-new-law-restricts-transgender-athletes-participation-on-school-sports-teamTotally agree on that issue. The idea that men 40% avg muscle mass who are trans competing at women's level even where women have about 30% muscle mass is pure ridiculous. I listened to a good interview on this subject and they said there are some sports where it's not the muscle mass but the finesse that makes the difference. Now that makes sense. Now if women 30% muscle mass want to compete in any men's event. Is say go for it.

G.

Captain Solo
10-30-21, 19:09
Greggy,

It's proof, Shrek-like trannies have no shame, demanding to compete against soft, sweet, little girls in sports.

They would be all star athletes and get all sports scholarships to USC, leaving real girls to cry hehe.

Steven
10-30-21, 22:20
Greggy,

It's proof, Shrek-like trannies have no shame, demanding to compete against soft, sweet, little girls in sports.

They would be all star athletes and get all sports scholarships to USC, leaving real girls to cry hehe.Let the world figure that out. Some can look like Princess Jasmin rather than Shrek. I just don't want to fcuk them.

Captain Solo
10-30-21, 22:35
Drama,

If you come a ross a big smelly pile of shit, if I were you I would not step in it, but give it a wide berth.

Let him wallow in and enjoy his own stinky odors.

Captain Solo
10-30-21, 23:08
Steven,

Yep. Some trannies can look as good as princess Jasmne.

I was talking to a tall, very beautiful spinner in a bar in Beverly Hills one night. We were drinking ad having a great time. She looked very feminine and attractive in a classy way with her exotic beauty, but her voice was slightly deep at the same time charming. I was really taken by her, dreaming of taking her to the hotel rolling with her in bed and fuck the living out of her pussy.

Still a bit weary after encountering many pre op and post op trannies in Thailand, but unable to do a Crocodile Dundee crotch grabbing move, I steered the subject to how some of the women in the bar looked so big and tall like men. She still tried to hook me, said proudly. Smiling sweetly " I have a pussy. " Her man-made pussy was a tight, neat slit with no clit, no labias. There cannot be any physical sensation or pleasure without nerves, so their climaxes must be purely mental or none at all.

For real men, nothing is sweeter and more enjoyable than making real women squirm, gasp and moan in lust and pleasure.

LuvMexicanas
10-30-21, 23:37
Since time immemorial tough guys have come to the rescue of damsels in distress. Just never thought I'd see it on a monger board between guys. But if neither can fend for himself, I suppose banding together due to lack of individual confidence is to be expected.

SpeedToys
10-31-21, 01:43
I do think some people need to chill a bit, these posts are only opinions and not a reflection of real life.When people are 'anonymous', it's found that the real people shine right on through.

"Overall, researchers have found that anonymity can reveal personality traits that face-to-face interactions may hide".

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/who-is-that-the-study-of-anonymity-and-behavior

But can lead to stronger group norms and boundaries.

SeaBeeJoe
10-31-21, 10:19
When people are 'anonymous', it's found that the real people shine right on through.

"Overall, researchers have found that anonymity can reveal personality traits that face-to-face interactions may hide".

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/who-is-that-the-study-of-anonymity-and-behavior

But can lead to stronger group norms and boundaries.Bro, I think you need to visit some club and release some of that stress, chill out and enjoy life. You don't always have to try to prove you are right all the time. Ohh well I wish you the best.

NeverOnce
10-31-21, 19:44
Bro, I think you need to visit some club and release some of that stress, chill out and enjoy life. You don't always have to try to prove you are right all the time. Ohh well I wish you the best.I almost feel bad for the guy. He seems miserable. I think you're right, he needs a release!

Captain Solo
11-01-21, 05:00
See be Joe.

There are 4 basic kinds of people in the world:

Noble people discuss important issues and principles that benefit lots of people and mankind at large.

Average people talk about others, mostly putting them down in envy, jealousy, hatred.

Low-class losers talk about themselves trying to pump themselves up out of insecurity.

The lowest bastards drag on and on about petty issues against others, annoying people with their miseries, meanness, pettiness and stupidity.

Just find the right kinds of people you want to deal with.

Bro, I think you need to visit some club and release some of that stress, chill out and enjoy life. You don't always have to try to prove you are right all the time. Ohh well I wish you the best.

DramaFree11
11-01-21, 16:53
See be Joe.

There are 4 basic kinds of people in the world:

Noble people discuss important issues and principles that benefit lots of people and mankind at large.

Average people talk about others, mostly putting them down in envy, jealousy, hatred.

Low-class losers talk about themselves trying to pump themselves up out of insecurity.

The lowest bastards drag on and on about petty issues against others, annoying people with their miseries, meanness, pettiness and stupidity.

Just find the right kinds of people you want to deal with.

Bro, I think you need to visit some club and release some of that stress, chill out and enjoy life. You don't always have to try to prove you are right all the time. Ohh well I wish you the best.Yep, he needs to have some fun and stop complaining. Life is great, I am having the best time of my life banging beautiful girls, half my age. Life is perfect!

SpeedToys
11-01-21, 17:32
Bro, I think you need to visit some club and release some of that stress, chill out and enjoy life. You don't always have to try to prove you are right all the time. Ohh well I wish you the best.I'm fine.

And for like the 10th time, I'm not your 'bro'. Why do you need bro's online?

I'm not proving I'm right. You're asking questions, I'm answering them. You wondered about anonymity online.

SeaBeeJoe
11-04-21, 04:10
I'm fine.

And for like the 10th time, I'm not your 'bro'. Why do you need bro's online?

I'm not proving I'm right. You're asking questions, I'm answering them. You wondered about anonymity online.It's cool Speedtoys, you have a good day. All my questions were answered thank you.

Member #4730
11-09-21, 23:24
So I've been living with this bar girl for the past 2 weeks and she cooks me every meal. I recently stumbled upon a video of her and some random dude that were holding hands about 2 months ago. I narrowed down on Instagram that seems to be gaining interest with heart emoji responses to her posts. I questioned her about it and she said the video was a download from last year and she downloaded it from iCloud since she replaced her phone. I told her that isn't how videos and photos work as they retain metadata from when it was taken. I told her I wouldn't be providing "support" money anymore and said if this is going to be a "normal" relationship, then I shouldn't have to provide anything more than food and shelter. She agreed and I won't have to pay her a monthly stipend.

Not sure what to think at this point, but she cooks me every meal, sex 5-6 times a day and was on the verge of breaking down yesterday with her whole body trembling. She said she was stupid for introducing me to her family, friends, and cousins since I tend to want to end things so abruptly. I usually distance myself once I get a gut feeling something is off, but then this morning we had the most incredible "make up" sex and she is going to have to take plan be pill since it was so hot and heavy.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with how iCloud videos and photos date stamp once imported onto new phone, but my suspicions think it retains the data no matter if it is moved from one iPhone to the next. If that is the case, then probably bailing and chalk it up to a loss. We have only been serious for the past 2-3 weeks and this was about 2 months ago and she said her life shouldn't matter beyond that point we were serious. The thing is that she claims to be honest with me and told me there was no one else since we started seeing each other 2 months ago. Sorry for the dear Abby type post, but just want to see what others have experience with importing iCloud videos and photos. Does it retain the metadata of when it was taken or give a new date / time stamp when transferred?

Dg8787
11-09-21, 23:33
So I've been living with this bar girl for the past 2 weeks and she cooks me every meal. I recently stumbled upon a video of her and some random dude that were holding hands about 2 months ago. I narrowed down on Instagram that seems to be gaining interest with heart emoji responses to her posts. I questioned her about it and she said the video was a download from last year and she downloaded it from iCloud since she replaced her phone. I told her that isn't how videos and photos work as they retain metadata from when it was taken. I told her I wouldn't be providing "support" money anymore and said if this is going to be a "normal" relationship, then I shouldn't have to provide anything more than food and shelter. She agreed and I won't have to pay her a monthly stipend.

Not sure what to think at this point, but she cooks me every meal, sex 5-6 times a day and was on the verge of breaking down yesterday with her whole body trembling. She said she was stupid for introducing me to her family, friends, and cousins since I tend to want to end things so abruptly. I usually distance myself once I get a gut feeling something is off, but then this morning we had the most incredible "make up" sex and she is going to have to take plan be pill since it was so hot and heavy.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with how iCloud videos and photos date stamp once imported onto new phone, but my suspicions think it retains the data no matter if it is moved from one iPhone to the next. If that is the case, then probably bailing and chalk it up to a loss. We have only been serious for the past 2-3 weeks and this was about 2 months ago and she said her life shouldn't matter beyond that point we were serious. The thing is that she claims to be honest with me and told me there was no one else since we started seeing each other 2 months ago. Sorry for the dear Abby type post, but just want to see what others have experience with importing iCloud videos and photos. Does it retain the metadata of when it was taken or give a new date / time stamp when transferred?I know a few years ago when I downloaded to new iphone it put new dates on my old photos. It also jumbo the sequences of the photos. I don't know about now.

It also depends on how she loaded it. But I am not an expert on it.

BTW, are you sure you are not trying to sabotage your relationship?

Phordphan
11-09-21, 23:48
So I've been living with this bar girl for the past 2 weeks and she cooks me every meal. I recently stumbled upon a video of her and some random dude that were holding hands about 2 months ago. I narrowed down on Instagram that seems to be gaining interest with heart emoji responses to her posts. I questioned her about it and she said the video was a download from last year and she downloaded it from iCloud since she replaced her phone. I told her that isn't how videos and photos work as they retain metadata from when it was taken. I told her I wouldn't be providing "support" money anymore and said if this is going to be a "normal" relationship, then I shouldn't have to provide anything more than food and shelter. She agreed and I won't have to pay her a monthly stipend.

Not sure what to think at this point, but she cooks me every meal, sex 5-6 times a day and was on the verge of breaking down yesterday with her whole body trembling. She said she was stupid for introducing me to her family, friends, and cousins since I tend to want to end things so abruptly. I usually distance myself once I get a gut feeling something is off, but then this morning we had the most incredible "make up" sex and she is going to have to take plan be pill since it was so hot and heavy.Wait a second. Aren't you the guy who took her to a restaurant, showed her pictures of it, and then explained that you took them when visiting the place with another hooker? She was supposed to just take it in stride, but you're getting bent out of shape over a video she made last year, or 2 months ago, or at some other time when she wasn't even seeing you steadily? She's been working as a hooker. She's going to have old clientele and possibly old pix, and plenty of "interesting" stories to tell.

Now from the other side, you've patronized a gazillion other hookers in the past. Do you think she doesn't know this? Does she rub that into your face every chance she gets? At every misunderstanding does she threaten to cut off all companionship and contact?

If you can't get past this, then it's time to cut bait. Bail and go back to HK. Sorry for the tone. I think it may be time for some "tough love," as it were.

Member #4730
11-09-21, 23:49
I know a few years ago when I downloaded to new iphone it put new dates on my old photos. It also jumbo the sequences of the photos. I don't know about now.

It also depends on how she loaded it. But I am not an expert on it.

BTW, are you sure you are not trying to sabotage your relationship?Yeah I question myself as she treats me like a king, but I tend to over analyze things. It is good for my work and business, but terrible when dealing with situations like these. Thanks for the clarification that what she is telling me could possibly be true, but I also know pictures and photos hold metadata that should carryover to any device. It is Apple and could possibly be a quirk.

At least she knows where we stand and I'm not tolerating any BS. She knows I'm quick to walk and amazed me that she agreed to me not providing monthly support. It makes me think she is hiding something or feels guilty of some sorts. It could also mean she truly loves me? Funny that she is half my age and seems more mature about it than I am.

Dg8787
11-10-21, 00:07
Yeah I question myself as she treats me like a king, but I tend to over analyze things. It is good for my work and business, but terrible when dealing with situations like these. Thanks for the clarification that what she is telling me could possibly be true, but I also know pictures and photos hold metadata that should carryover to any device. It is Apple and could possibly be a quirk.

At least she knows where we stand and I'm not tolerating any BS. She knows I'm quick to walk and amazed me that she agreed to me not providing monthly support. It makes me think she is hiding something or feels guilty of some sorts. It could also mean she truly loves me? Funny that she is half my age and seems more mature about it than I am.Yes, you may not be worthy of her. I know I am not worthy enough for a good woman so I stay away from relationships.

Explorer8939
11-10-21, 02:31
So I've been living with this bar girl for the past 2 weeks and she cooks me every meal. I recently stumbled upon a video of her and some random dude that were holding hands about 2 months ago. I narrowed down on Instagram that seems to be gaining interest with heart emoji responses to her posts. I questioned her about it and she said the video was a download from last year and she downloaded it from iCloud since she replaced her phone. I told her that isn't how videos and photos work as they retain metadata from when it was taken. I told her I wouldn't be providing "support" money anymore and said if this is going to be a "normal" relationship, then I shouldn't have to provide anything more than food and shelter. She agreed and I won't have to pay her a monthly stipend.

Not sure what to think at this point, but she cooks me every meal, sex 5-6 times a day and was on the verge of breaking down yesterday with her whole body trembling. She said she was stupid for introducing me to her family, friends, and cousins since I tend to want to end things so abruptly. I usually distance myself once I get a gut feeling something is off, but then this morning we had the most incredible "make up" sex and she is going to have to take plan be pill since it was so hot and heavy.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with how iCloud videos and photos date stamp once imported onto new phone, but my suspicions think it retains the data no matter if it is moved from one iPhone to the next. If that is the case, then probably bailing and chalk it up to a loss. We have only been serious for the past 2-3 weeks and this was about 2 months ago and she said her life shouldn't matter beyond that point we were serious. The thing is that she claims to be honest with me and told me there was no one else since we started seeing each other 2 months ago.She's right, you are wrong, on this particular point.

Baxter Slade
11-10-21, 05:12
Wait a second. Aren't you the guy who took her to a restaurant, showed her pictures of it, and then explained that you took them when visiting the place with another hooker? She was supposed to just take it in stride, but you're getting bent out of shape over a video she made last year, or 2 months ago, or at some other time when she wasn't even seeing you steadily? She's been working as a hooker. She's going to have old clientele and possibly old pix, and plenty of "interesting" stories to tell.

Now from the other side, you've patronized a gazillion other hookers in the past. Do you think she doesn't know this? Does she rub that into your face every chance she gets? At every misunderstanding does she threaten to cut off all companionship and contact?

If you can't get past this, then it's time to cut bait. Bail and go back to HK. Sorry for the tone. I think it may be time for some "tough love," as it were.Where is the like button?

Fmojo
11-10-21, 20:39
Wait a minute. Phordphan and Explorer actually agreed on something? Damn! I knew I should've bought a lottery ticket yesterday.

Member #4730
11-10-21, 21:01
Thanks for bringing different perspectives. I shouldn't worry as she treats me great. Time will only tell. Her mom and little brother are coming to visit from Sinaloa next week. It should be interesting since her mother was actually crying when we video called. Not sure what she has been telling the family. She explained that her family always wanted her to have a stable relationship and not sure since it has only been a couple of weeks. One of her cousins actually put a profile photo with me in the family photo. So odd how quickly they accept you into the family down here. Heading to Ensenada today.

Elvis 2008
11-10-21, 22:18
So I've been living with this bar girl for the past 2 weeks and she cooks me every meal. I recently stumbled upon a video of her and some random dude that were holding hands about 2 months ago. I narrowed down on Instagram that seems to be gaining interest with heart emoji responses to her posts. I questioned her about it and she said the video was a download from last year and she downloaded it from iCloud since she replaced her phone. I told her that isn't how videos and photos work as they retain metadata from when it was taken. I told her I wouldn't be providing "support" money anymore and said if this is going to be a "normal" relationship, then I shouldn't have to provide anything more than food and shelter. She agreed and I won't have to pay her a monthly stipend.KB,

You need to get out of the ho-john mindset if this is going to work and quit worrying about getting ripped off. Cutting off money like that is a john move and shows that she cannot trust you. I know why you are doing it, you do not want to feel ripped off, but she needs to be able to know she can rely on you. You just made her feel like a ho. I am a little surprised she did not leave you.

Time and again, my gal has shown me I can trust her, and she still has not asked for one dime. After our second trip together, I did not care about the money, my gal is priceless, and she would do and has done anything for me. The trick I have for being faithful to her is that I tell myself if I fucked any other woman, it would be not be as good, and I know it would not be. I think that is true for you as well.

You got a gal who is smoking hot, great in bed, cooking for you, loves you, fucks you 5 or 6 times a day, and you are worried about the past? Let that shit go. She is not a ho anymore and has the chance to be priceless to you if you do not fuck it up.

Is your girl so fucking hot that another guy would pay to have what you have? If so, then she is actually letting you pay for her.

One of the problems with the john-ho mindset that I have found is very few guys can transition from the monger world to the real world. If she is a ho, then you want to negotiate down as hard as you can. If she is your woman, then you want to make her feel safe and financially secure.

It is so hard to find a hot woman, who is a tiger in bed, and is trustworthy. Those women get so many offers that it is so easy for them to just go to the next guy. I had a woman like that, blew it with her, and even though I am glad it ended in hindsight, it hurt and it took me years of searching to find someone as good. I did, hell I found better, but it sure as hell was not easy.

Phordphan
11-11-21, 00:06
Wait a minute. Phordphan and Explorer actually agreed on something? Damn! I knew I should've bought a lottery ticket yesterday.Lighten up, Francis!

Dg8787
11-11-21, 02:03
Thanks for bringing different perspectives. I shouldn't worry as she treats me great. Time will only tell. Her mom and little brother are coming to visit from Sinaloa next week. It should be interesting since her mother was actually crying when we video called. Not sure what she has been telling the family. She explained that her family always wanted her to have a stable relationship and not sure since it has only been a couple of weeks. One of her cousins actually put a profile photo with me in the family photo. So odd how quickly they accept you into the family down here. Heading to Ensenada today.In all sincerity I suggest you get some good counseling before you fuck this up.

Gregyyr
11-11-21, 06:01
Thanks for bringing different perspectives. I shouldn't worry as she treats me great. Time will only tell. Her mom and little brother are coming to visit from Sinaloa next week. It should be interesting since her mother was actually crying when we video called. Not sure what she has been telling the family. She explained that her family always wanted her to have a stable relationship and not sure since it has only been a couple of weeks. One of her cousins actually put a profile photo with me in the family photo. So odd how quickly they accept you into the family down here. Heading to Ensenada today.Exactly, time will tell. Trust but don't be blind. Only the best actors can pull off months and months of good behavior with out screwing something up. 2 weeks is honeymoon phase. 6 months. Now then you have some history and data to make better judgements on but just a few weeks. Way to soon to come to any conclusions. I say give a girl friend a long leash to see if she behaves and if she doesn't then you can get out and find someone better.

G.

SeaBeeJoe
11-11-21, 06:21
KB,

You need to get out of the ho-john mindset if this is going to work and quit worrying about getting ripped off. Cutting off money like that is a john move and shows that she cannot trust you. I know why you are doing it, you do not want to feel ripped off, but she needs to be able to know she can rely on you. You just made her feel like a ho. I am a little surprised she did not leave you.

Time and again, my gal has shown me I can trust her, and she still has not asked for one dime. After our second trip together, I did not care about the money, my gal is priceless, and she would do and has done anything for me. The trick I have for being faithful to her is that I tell myself if I fucked any other woman, it would be not be as good, and I know it would not be. I think that is true for you as well.

You got a gal who is smoking hot, great in bed, cooking for you, loves you, fucks you 5 or 6 times a day, and you are worried about the past? Let that shit go. She is not a ho anymore and has the chance to be priceless to you if you do not fuck it up.

Is your girl so fucking hot that another guy would pay to have what you have? If so, then she is actually letting you pay for her..I agree, your in your 40's bro. I know how it is I was divorced in my 40's too. I think you need time to heal, please don't hurt this lady. She seems like a real nice one and that is fucking hard to find in life and even more in the zona. Please don't refer to this girl as your "regular" or "bargirl" she is your girlfriend. If what you are writing isn't complete fiction then I would say she loves you bro. Also why write about all this to a bunch mongers. Look I am a vet abd I get it bro. Your relationship is up to you. Please look into coach Corey Wayne and being a 3% man. Golden advice in that book. Good luck my brother!

Member #4730
11-11-21, 21:25
I agree, your in your 40's bro. I know how it is I was divorced in my 40's too. I think you need time to heal, please don't hurt this lady. She seems like a real nice one and that is fucking hard to find in life and even more in the zona. Please don't refer to this girl as your "regular" or "bargirl" she is your girlfriend. If what you are writing isn't complete fiction then I would say she loves you bro. Also why write about all this to a bunch mongers. Look I am a vet abd I get it bro. Your relationship is up to you. Please look into coach Corey Wayne and being a 3% man. Golden advice in that book. Good luck my brother!Yeah thanks for everyone's input. I have to sneak around to post as she almost caught me one day and was wondering why I was shutting down the browser. I just want to get insight of more experienced bros down this path. I've only been in "normal" relationships. She has been great to me and never experienced such love from someone regardless of age. I imagine it would be hard to find someone college age that still has wife material skills like cooking, cleaning, and looking out for your money.

The funny thing is when we were seeing each other for short trips she wanted only the best and I thought it was just about the money. I tend to test people and like another person mentioned probably need to get counseling for it. The VA actually tried to give me counseling for the PTSD and I just try and focus on what matters now and future or it could consume you. I think that is the reason I always stay busy so I don't have time to actually self reflect. Even she mentioned I'm always moving and thinks I have issues, but haven't shared that part of me yet.

I shouldn't treat it like work or business where you're trying to negotiate the best deal with clauses. I guess that is why gambling is such an addiction as you always chase the potential thrill of winning. I am more about taking people on their word until they violate my trust, because isn't that all we have in this world? I was just trying to confirm my suspicions as a principle of the matter that she is telling me the truth. I've been an open book to her and shared my story and most of my vulnerabilities and wouldn't recommend doing this with anyone especially a narcissist as they could use it against you. She actually asked me before sharing my story with the religious aunt. It could have been the thing that brought a more personal touch to the relationship and maybe they can relate.

She pointed out all of the ways she includes me in her life like meeting her close friends, family, and living together. I haven't met HK amigas and not sure if they know who I am, but told her I don't get jealous when she is with close friends. I did get tingling sensations, when she told me she went with her HK amigas for their birthday to Rosarito. I know in order for this to work that I need to let go of past and not try to control people or things.

She is actually motivated to learn more English to make it easier to communicate. I don't have time to learn another language and still have to juggle work and business that is why I take short trips to different places and wish I could get more time off to actually relax. Being with her feels like home and like some others have mentioned, 20 years of mongering and having sex with no emotional attachment left me feeling empty after the deed. I guess that is why I must violate the 3 day rule often when I take longer trips overseas. Also like you've mentioned, I probably fucked it up for the other ones I've met as these Mexican chicas really know how to give their love, home, and time to someone that they are interested in. Probably hardens their perception of men and for that it tears me up inside if I'm one of those responsible for hurting them emotionally.

Phordphan
11-12-21, 04:16
She is actually motivated to learn more English to make it easier to communicate. I don't have time to learn another language and still have to juggle work and business that is why I take short trips to different places and wish I could get more time off to actually relax. First, you had better make time. No relationship will survive if the couple can't communicate. You can't let your money talk and rely on body language any more. She may want to learn English, and she may be motivated, but you absolutely, positively, need to learn to communicate effectively in Spanish. This would hold true if she was a native Spanish speaker, or a Thai speaker, or German. Doesn't matter. Download Duolingo and stick with it. You won't learn overnight but you'll be surprised how much you can pick up in six months if you practice daily.

Second, and I recall this from a previous post in a different thread, never deliver an ultimatum, and never make the girl choose between you and something very important, like career or education. She was bending over backwards offering to relocate her school credits (or whatever they're called) to Tijuana in order to be closer to you. You responded that if she couldn't, then the relationship was over because you can't do distance. I have to take this at face value because I wasn't there. But it sounds incredibly self-centered. Essentially choose me or choose your education because I can't keep it in my pants longer than a couple of days. You really don't want to be the reason she gave up education and career. I know I could never live with myself. From her standpoint, if you care for her as much as it seems, if you have as much free time as you seem to (you visit Tijuana frequently), and if you have as much disposable income as you say, then it should be very easy to buy a are / T ticket from TIJ to GDL say twice a month. Leave on a Friday, return on a Sunday.

She seems genuine, from what you've posted. I hope things work out. I really do. But if you don't learn to be flexible (and dealing with Mexicans that's a necessity) then you'll wind up sabotaging the whole thing.

Big Magick
11-12-21, 07:01
Relationships are suppose to be fun and mutually beneficial. From your posts it sounds like you're more worried than happy though. Its safe to say most if not all the posters here are addicts or have some weird mental thing going on. Its a good and bad thing about us but what you said about feeling empty after mongering is extremely relatable. After my trips I'm happy but I'm starting to feel guilt and remorse. Its the same point I got to with drugs or gambling. Yes in the moment the experience is enjoyable but did I really have to do it for the 1,000th or so time? I crave a more normal stable relationship but I know I'm not ready for one, you might not be either. Even though you want it. I have dealt with my own PTSD, nothing comparable to going to war but I know I became more mentally healthy after sorting out my past traumas we can say. Here's the thing about being human. We have the capacity to think rationally but mostly we think emotionally. Its why we monger or why people eat junk food or procrastinate their entire lives away. In our heads we know its wrong but we do it anyway because its our default setting to act out our impulses. I know you don't like to but you should think long and hard if this is what you truly want. For your sake and hers. Sex workers lives are hard enough. Being fluent in Spanish and a naturally observant person has given me insight into the dark side of Tijuana bar girls lives. I've seen and heard some heartbreaking stuff. Girls with cuts on their arms, the obvious drug abuse, girls being raped or murdered. We all know and hear about these things. From my conversations with hundreds of bar girls I can tell they don't like their jobs but they rationalize it in their heads and I believe it damages them in some way. I even hear this from men who do "pick up" in America and sleep with hundreds of girls or male pornstars. After so much emotionless sex it starts to mess with their heads. Your girl seems to be one of the better ones out there but after all these posts I would say break up with her. It all depends on what you want though, if she makes you happy then maybe that's all that matters. I'm just saying from a purely objective point of view, if you want a girl that's loyal and not interested in money then a bar girl or ex- bar girl isn't the best type of girl. Its a tough situation, we want a girl that looks like an instagram model but has perfect morals. Sounds too good to be true! But I'm sure girls like that are out there.

Member #4730
11-13-21, 02:41
KB,

You need to get out of the ho-john mindset if this is going to work and quit worrying about getting ripped off. Cutting off money like that is a john move and shows that she cannot trust you. I know why you are doing it, you do not want to feel ripped off, but she needs to be able to know she can rely on you. You just made her feel like a ho. I am a little surprised she did not leave you.

Time and again, my gal has shown me I can trust her, and she still has not asked for one dime. After our second trip together, I did not care about the money, my gal is priceless, and she would do and has done anything for me. The trick I have for being faithful to her is that I tell myself if I fucked any other woman, it would be not be as good, and I know it would not be. I think that is true for you as well.

You got a gal who is smoking hot, great in bed, cooking for you, loves you, fucks you 5 or 6 times a day, and you are worried about the past? Let that shit go. She is not a ho anymore and has the chance to be priceless to you if you do not fuck it up.

Is your girl so fucking hot that another guy would pay to have what you have? If so, then she is actually letting you pay for her.

One of the problems with the john-ho mindset that I have found is very few guys can transition from the monger world to the real world. If she is a ho, then you want to negotiate down as hard as you can. If she is your woman, then you want to make her feel safe and financially secure.

It is so hard to find a hot woman, who is a tiger in bed, and is trustworthy. Those women get so many offers that it is so easy for them to just go to the next guy. I had a woman like that, blew it with her, and even though I am glad it ended in hindsight, it hurt and it took me years of searching to find someone as good. I did, hell I found better, but it sure as hell was not easy.Thanks for your input. I am going about it all wrong. She has been honest with me and takes care of me. Her aunts even ask her how I'm doing which are her fathers sisters. Not sure how they accepted me so quickly into the family. Also she was loyal even when we were friends and all of the dudes in Cancun seemed to be trying to hit on her. I told her I'm not jealous or intense when we are friends, but being in relationships seem to warp my mind for some strange reason. The scary part is she is introducing me to her mother and little brother next week and met more extended family in Tijuana / Rosarito.

Member #4730
11-13-21, 02:45
Exactly, time will tell. Trust but don't be blind. Only the best actors can pull off months and months of good behavior with out screwing something up. 2 weeks is honeymoon phase. 6 months. Now then you have some history and data to make better judgements on but just a few weeks. Way to soon to come to any conclusions. I say give a girl friend a long leash to see if she behaves and if she doesn't then you can get out and find someone better.

G.It is a chica I met in July that was brutally honest when we first met. We've seen each other off and on since that time. I'm still wondering when the honeymoon phase ends and she starts to cuss me out when we are passing in the hallway. We've only lived together full time for past 2 weeks and it seems like it is making the relationship stronger as she appreciates my efforts and I appreciate what she does for me.

Member #4730
11-13-21, 02:53
First, you had better make time. No relationship will survive if the couple can't communicate. You can't let your money talk and rely on body language any more. She may want to learn English, and she may be motivated, but you absolutely, positively, need to learn to communicate effectively in Spanish. This would hold true if she was a native Spanish speaker, or a Thai speaker, or German. Doesn't matter. Download Duolingo and stick with it. You won't learn overnight but you'll be surprised how much you can pick up in six months if you practice daily.

Second, and I recall this from a previous post in a different thread, never deliver an ultimatum, and never make the girl choose between you and something very important, like career or education. She was bending over backwards offering to relocate her school credits (or whatever they're called) to Tijuana in order to be closer to you. You responded that if she couldn't, then the relationship was over because you can't do distance. I have to take this at face value because I wasn't there. But it sounds incredibly self-centered. Essentially choose me or choose your education because I can't keep it in my pants longer than a couple of days. You really don't want to be the reason she gave up education and career. I know I could never live with myself. From her standpoint, if you care for her as much as it seems, if you have as much free time as you seem to (you visit Tijuana frequently), and if you have as much disposable income as you say, then it should be very easy to buy a are / T ticket from TIJ to GDL say twice a month. Leave on a Friday, return on a Sunday.

She seems genuine, from what you've posted. I hope things work out. I really do. But if you don't learn to be flexible (and dealing with Mexicans that's a necessity) then you'll wind up sabotaging the whole thing.When I get free time, I'll try to learn the language. I was married to a Mexican for over 20 years and didn't learn much as too busy with trying to keep head above water with business and work. I still have to work with my CPA and file 2020 taxes, might hire a bookkeeper for $500 a month. I know myself and told her I could "help" her more if she was in Tijuana and understand I need to be more accommodating, but I think I'm offering her a lot as well. I told her to pursue what is best for her career and education. She said it should be easy to transfer, but she wouldn't know the professors or classmates as she does in her current university. I never told her to not complete the last year of school. The main reason I think she attracts me is that she has the "potential" to do something with her life.

Also we did get in a fight over the word "pay" and "help". She said I'm not paying her for her time, I'm "helping" her with expenses. What an ordeal having to deal with the miscommunication, but now I know she was livid when I said I pay her. I think you were the one that mentioned this is common in Mexico.

Member #4730
11-13-21, 02:59
Relationships are suppose to be fun and mutually beneficial. From your posts it sounds like you're more worried than happy though. Its safe to say most if not all the posters here are addicts or have some weird mental thing going on. Its a good and bad thing about us but what you said about feeling empty after mongering is extremely relatable. After my trips I'm happy but I'm starting to feel guilt and remorse. Its the same point I got to with drugs or gambling. Yes in the moment the experience is enjoyable but did I really have to do it for the 1,000th or so time? I crave a more normal stable relationship but I know I'm not ready for one, you might not be either. Even though you want it. I have dealt with my own PTSD, nothing comparable to going to war but I know I became more mentally healthy after sorting out my past traumas we can say. Here's the thing about being human. We have the capacity to think rationally but mostly we think emotionally. Its why we monger or why people eat junk food or procrastinate their entire lives away. In our heads we know its wrong but we do it anyway because its our default setting to act out our impulses. I know you don't like to but you should think long and hard if this is what you truly want. For your sake and hers. Sex workers lives are hard enough. Being fluent in Spanish and a naturally observant person has given me insight into the dark side of Tijuana bar girls lives. I've seen and heard some heartbreaking stuff. Girls with cuts on their arms, the obvious drug abuse, girls being raped or murdered. We all know and hear about these things. From my conversations with hundreds of bar girls I can tell they don't like their jobs but they rationalize it in their heads and I believe it damages them in some way. I even hear this from men who do "pick up" in America and sleep with hundreds of girls or male pornstars. After so much emotionless sex it starts to mess with their heads. Your girl seems to be one of the better ones out there but after all these posts I would say break up with her. It all depends on what you want though, if she makes you happy then maybe that's all that matters. I'm just saying from a purely objective point of view, if you want a girl that's loyal and not interested in money then a bar girl or ex- bar girl isn't the best type of girl. Its a tough situation, we want a girl that looks like an instagram model but has perfect morals. Sounds too good to be true! But I'm sure girls like that are out there.It seems you know exactly how I feel at this moment. I was thinking if I only met her before the club, but then again maybe she wouldn't know how to appreciate what I do for her as much. Also it is funny that she is a knockout with make up, but takes her over an hour to complete. I told her I like her for her personality and mind, but she also has many insecurities. Not sure if anyone has perfect morals on their journey through life. We want a quality lady, but also a freak in the sheets.

Elvis 2008
11-13-21, 03:45
Her aunts even ask her how I'm doing which are her fathers sisters. Not sure how they accepted me so quickly into the family.Your gal is bragging about you. She has told them you are the one. Your gal loves you and most of the time, you make her happy, and her family sees that. That is all any family wants, for a loved one to be happy.


The scary part is she is introducing me to her mother and little brother next week and met more extended family in Tijuana / Rosarito.They just want to confirm what your gal is seeing about you is accurate. Love blinds us all. I knew that, so I wanted my female friend AKA the blood hound to check out my gal. Within two days, she had sniffed out as much info as I had in months. It was amazing how accurate she was about us.


Also she was loyal even when we were friends and all of the dudes in Cancun seemed to be trying to hit on her.Of course, she is head over heels in love with you.

Relationships are scary because most relationships do end painfully. You know that Shakespeare line, "'Tis better to have loved and lost. Than never to have loved at all. " it is true. If I had not gone through a painful breakup, I would not have met my dream girl. So if she is not the one just have faith that you have learned about what you really want and need, and the next one likely will be better still. Sometimes God puts us through pain to teach us.

The reason most guys monger is they want sex and not the side of pain that goes with relationships, but sex is a temporary boost of pleasure not real happiness. Happiness comes from being around people who really want to be with you not those paid to do so. Yeah, the odds of being in a happy relationship are long but when you have a chance at it, you have to go for it.

BTW, if anyone in the family hits you up for money, tell your gal and let her deal with it. That is not a good sign for you if members of her family do that.

Huacho
11-13-21, 03:48
When I get free time, I'll try to learn the language. I was married to a Mexican for over 20 years and didn't learn much This woman is way too good for a pinche gabacho like you.

Member #4730
11-13-21, 06:32
Your gal is bragging about you. She has told them you are the one. Your gal loves you and most of the time, you make her happy, and her family sees that. That is all any family wants, for a loved one to be happy.

They just want to confirm what your gal is seeing about you is accurate. Love blinds us all. I knew that, so I wanted my female friend AKA the blood hound to check out my gal. Within two days, she had sniffed out as much info as I had in months. It was amazing how accurate she was about us.

Of course, she is head over heels in love with you.

Relationships are scary because most relationships do end painfully. You know that Shakespeare line, "'Tis better to have loved and lost. Than never to have loved at all. " it is true. If I had not gone through a painful breakup, I would not have met my dream girl. So if she is not the one just have faith that you have learned about what you really want and need, and the next one likely will be better still. Sometimes God puts us through pain to teach us.

The reason most guys monger is they want sex and not the side of pain that goes with relationships, but sex is a temporary boost of pleasure not real happiness. Happiness comes from being around people who really want to be with you not those paid to do so. Yeah, the odds of being in a happy relationship are long but when you have a chance at it, you have to go for it.

BTW, if anyone in the family hits you up for money, tell your gal and let her deal with it. That is not a good sign for you if members of her family do that.Thanks for the advice. Family haven't hit me up, but she shows me the family house and it is in rough shape. She is helping them tile their floor, get new doors for rooms, and possibly a kitchen renovation since it is old and tiny. I know I could help bank roll it all, but don't want to commit myself to these projects just yet. I will see how things go after the New Years Paris trip. Thanks to everyone for confirming that she seems like a good typical Mexican woman. I tend to push people too much and like you stated she should have walked numerous times. I've got to keep my insecurities under control.

SeaBeeJoe
11-13-21, 19:09
Thanks for the advice. Family haven't hit me up, but she shows me the family house and it is in rough shape. She is helping them tile their floor, get new doors for rooms, and possibly a kitchen renovation since it is old and tiny. I know I could help bank roll it all, but don't want to commit myself to these projects just yet. I will see how things go after the New Years Paris trip. Thanks to everyone for confirming that she seems like a good typical Mexican woman. I tend to push people too much and like you stated she should have walked numerous times. I've got to keep my insecurities under control.I was in Paris for 5 days in 2015 with my ex wife. What a wonderful city. Just stay away from the clowns by the Effiel tower, they are hustlers.

Big Magick
11-15-21, 01:50
I was in Paris for 5 days in 2015 with my ex wife. What a wonderful city. Just stay away from the clowns by the Effiel tower, they are hustlers.Bigger hustlers than the putas in zona norte? Lmao.

SeaBeeJoe
11-15-21, 15:42
Bigger hustlers than the putas in zona norte? Lmao.Tell me about it jajajajjaaj!

SeaBeeJoe
11-15-21, 16:48
Bigger hustlers than the putas in zona norte? Lmao.No Magick Mike, there is not a better hustler then an old seasoned HK girl. No innocents' there LOLOLOL.

ClownDays
11-15-21, 18:27
Thanks for the advice. Family haven't hit me up, but she shows me the family house and it is in rough shape. She is helping them tile their floor, get new doors for rooms, and possibly a kitchen renovation since it is old and tiny. I know I could help bank roll it all, but don't want to commit myself to these projects just yet. I will see how things go after the New Years Paris trip. Thanks to everyone for confirming that she seems like a good typical Mexican woman. I tend to push people too much and like you stated she should have walked numerous times. I've got to keep my insecurities under control.This is actually a really good sign. She may buy some fancy stuff for herself, but sending money home to make sure her parent's house the fixed up is a very good sign that she has a solid upbringing. Don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy the ride. Until you get hit with some of the big glaring red flags, it actually sounds like this one is a keeper.

Captain Solo
11-15-21, 21:59
It's very hard to find girls who enjoy the same things you do on travels, not sports, culture, food, arts, shows, adventure, mixing, partying having funs with locals, and never, ever looking or glancing at hot local girls on the roads hehe. The girls would not likely enjoy zip line riding, jungle trekking, diving, snorkeling, playing with sharks and manta rays, eating, drinking, partying with locals, wandering working, selling and living places looking to understand the essence of locals' life ect. All they want are shopping for stupid shit which you have to pay for and carry home, fancy meals, shows and parties where they can flash their wealth and alleged sex appeals to the crowd to feel good about their declining status.

A lot of these GFs are not educated or worldly. When they are exposed to exotic places, peoples and cultures, they feel fear and tend to act hostile, some can turn into real jealous, ugly and demanding biitches on trips, destroying any fun, joys, happiness, wasting precious vacation time and money, lots of times these trips cause couples to break up.

It's a loose loose situation and a double loss for guys who spend time and money to arrange the trip. Guys take girls to vacations, probably hoping to get the satisfaction of showing them new places, novel experiences, perhaps also having sex with them on the road. Sadly for most guys, they would get no satisfaction or sex, just lots of fuking headaches, heavy expense, big bills and likely damages to their relationships. I got lots of heartache and headaches with a few girls on expensive vacations. A few other close friends got reamed in the same deals.

I prefer to travel alone or with a few guys who are into bagging and screwing girls, pros or non pros, on the road. I met some very nice, fun, beautiful girls and women travelers who want to enjoy romances and hot sex on trips. I only travel to locations where I have good chances of bagging hot girls every day; no more travels purely for sight seeing, architectural, cultural bullshit. Let the women travel with their stupid, sexless friends on their onw dimes so they can shop until they drop and carry their own shiit home.

Already booked airfares leaving next week for a couple countries in Central America where hot, sexy girls are waiting hehe. Coincidentally a few bros will also be going to the same countries. Will hook up with them with local bros and have a really fun, relaxing, sexy vacation this time after 18 months CoVid shutdown.

Any bro going to Central America, Colombia, last 2 weeks of November through first 2 weeks of Dec, let meet up and have fun.

Member #4730
11-16-21, 00:59
It's very hard to find girls who enjoy the same things you do on travels, not sports, culture, food, arts, shows, adventure, mixing, partying having funs with locals, and never, ever looking or glancing at hot local girls on the roads hehe. The girls would not likely enjoy zip line riding, jungle trekking, diving, snorkeling, playing with sharks and manta rays, eating, drinking, partying with locals, wandering working, selling and living places looking to understand the essence of locals' life ect. All they want are shopping for stupid shit which you have to pay for and carry home, fancy meals, shows and parties where they can flash their wealth and alleged sex appeals to the crowd to feel good about their declining status.

A lot of these GFs are not educated or worldly. When they are exposed to exotic places, peoples and cultures, they feel fear and tend to act hostile, some can turn into real jealous, ugly and demanding biitches on trips, destroying any fun, joys, happiness, wasting precious vacation time and money, lots of times these trips cause couples to break up.

It's a loose loose situation and a double loss for guys who spend time and money to arrange the trip. Guys take girls to vacations, probably hoping to get the satisfaction of showing them new places, novel experiences, perhaps also having sex with them on the road. Sadly for most guys, they would get no satisfaction or sex, just lots of fuking headaches, heavy expense, big bills and likely damages to their relationships. I got lots of heartache and headaches with a few girls on expensive vacations. A few other close friends got reamed in the same deals.

I prefer to travel alone or with a few guys who are into bagging and screwing girls, pros or non pros, on the road. I met some very nice, fun, beautiful girls and women travelers who want to enjoy romances and hot sex on trips. I only travel to locations where I have good chances of bagging hot girls every day; no more travels purely for sight seeing, architectural, cultural bullshit. Let the women travel with their stupid, sexless friends on their onw dimes so they can shop until they drop and carry their own shiit home.

Already booked airfares leaving next week for a couple countries in Central America where hot, sexy girls are waiting hehe. Coincidentally a few bros will also be going to the same countries. Will hook up with them with local bros and have a really fun, relaxing, sexy vacation this time after 18 months CoVid shutdown.

Any bro going to Central America, Colombia, last 2 weeks of November through first 2 weeks of Dec, let meet up and have fun.I'm not sure who you're referencing, but every trip I've taken a bar girl have been great. In Thailand and Mexico, they have made the trip for me and have a genuine connection, rather than trying to hunt every night to figure out if you're going to get a bad experience or possibly robbed. I guess that is why the "hobby" is very YMMV. You can probably see the signs before taking them on these vacations. A suggestion would be to take them on short local trips before paying for the extended stays.

Member #4730
11-16-21, 01:03
This is actually a really good sign. She may buy some fancy stuff for herself, but sending money home to make sure her parent's house the fixed up is a very good sign that she has a solid upbringing. Don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy the ride. Until you get hit with some of the big glaring red flags, it actually sounds like this one is a keeper.I'd be interested in what the red flags are before they happen. She seems genuine and when I was driving back with her and her male cousin from her aunts house, she received texts from some dude that kept popping up on the Apple CarPlay. I asked her what time it was in Sinaloa and she said 2 am. She then had her male cousin read the WhatsApp text messages and he said the conversation is lame and something to do with slang "w" in texts meaning buddy. He said his cousin is a good person and I need to have confidence in the relationship. If only he knew the "whole" story of how we really met. Nothing for me to complain about and she treats me good so hope I can keep enjoying the ride.

ClownDays
11-16-21, 01:54
I'd be interested in what the red flags are before they happen. She seems genuine and when I was driving back with her and her male cousin from her aunts house, she received texts from some dude that kept popping up on the Apple CarPlay. I asked her what time it was in Sinaloa and she said 2 am. She then had her male cousin read the WhatsApp text messages and he said the conversation is lame and something to do with slang "w" in texts meaning buddy. He said his cousin is a good person and I need to have confidence in the relationship. If only he knew the "whole" story of how we really met. Nothing for me to complain about and she treats me good so hope I can keep enjoying the ride.If you can tell she's enjoying sex with you, when you can tell differently, it's a good sign something's off. If her sexual appetite goes away or she becomes semi-mechanical that's a big one. Catching her working again would be another, or even having a second cell phone.

If you're living together, under a somewhat traditional relationship, you are expected to cover the household expenses and meals out and stuff like that. Money to help the family on the onece in a blue moon occasion is not that big of a deal, but if someone in the family is always hitting you guys up for money, and she isn't off put by it, then there's something wrong there. Even in Mexico, people get tired of lazy people who become leaches, or can't ever solve money problems. If her family is out of state, you may not get hit up for this, but Latinos usually use something called a "Tanda" to raise a ton of money for a particular cause. They're like a big crowdfunded short term 0 interest loan. If you need $2000, you get 19 other people to chip in $100 every week for 20 weeks. You get the first $2000, and over the next 19 weeks, everyone else gets paid back one at a time. These are generally safe, and if it's for family, just require that you be early on the payback schedule- some people who use this as a way to save money, actually prefer to be near the end, so asking to be early is not a particularly rude.

Your real test will probably be after Paris. I'd personally, dial down the money you're spending on going out and stuff like that. If you're going out to restaurants, try going to taco trucks or cenadurias (little pop-up restaurants out of people's garages). Even if you can easily afford it and it's part of your personal self-care, dial down the going out and overall money spending, and see what kind of arguments pop up. If none pop up, she's probably the real deal. If you get emotional arguments, also a good sign that she thinks you're losing affection for her. If you get money arguments, she's scared the gravy train is running out.

Phordphan
11-16-21, 05:57
I'm not sure who you're referencing, but every trip I've taken a bar girl have been great. In Thailand and Mexico, they have made the trip for me and have a genuine connection, rather than trying to hunt every night to figure out if you're going to get a bad experience or possibly robbed. I guess that is why the "hobby" is very YMMV. You can probably see the signs before taking them on these vacations. A suggestion would be to take them on short local trips before paying for the extended stays.None of that garbage should be taken seriously. It's all self-described fantasies for entertainment purposes. If you need advice, ask somebody who has actually done whatever it is you're wondering about. Not serial fantabulists.

Elvis 2008
11-16-21, 19:39
The girls would not likely enjoy zip line riding, jungle trekking, diving, snorkeling, playing with sharks and manta rays, eating, drinking, partying with locals, wandering working, selling and living places looking to understand the essence of locals' life ect. All they want are shopping for stupid shit which you have to pay for and carry home, fancy meals, shows and parties where they can flash their wealth and alleged sex appeals to the crowd to feel good about their declining status.
CS,

I am with Kool Beans on this one. Every one I have taken has enjoyed the zip lines, jungles, snorkeling ETC. One gal told me that my taking her from Colombia to Cancun was "life changing" and while the gals would on occasion pile on the goodies when we went to Walmart for groceries, there were no shopping trips. I have taken like 8 women to Cancun and have never had what you describe happen. What I have seen is not materialism but women starved for fun.

If we did get fancy meals, it was my choice. They were happy with Uber Eats and simple taco joints.

I am sure there are women who meet your criteria but I think they can be easily weeded out. For the most part, if a woman is considerate in the bedroom (and wants to please you), she is probably going to be considerate outside of it too.

Captain Solo
11-16-21, 19:52
For advise, ask the expert loser specializing in wining, dining, romancing old, ugly escorts with dead-fish pussies, one even looks like a squirrel.

Cannot fail because these old, ugly escorts are hopeless, have no other options but to settle for a stupid, envious loser.

Member #4730
11-16-21, 23:28
If you can tell she's enjoying sex with you, when you can tell differently, it's a good sign something's off. If her sexual appetite goes away or she becomes semi-mechanical that's a big one. Catching her working again would be another, or even having a second cell phone.

If you're living together, under a somewhat traditional relationship, you are expected to cover the household expenses and meals out and stuff like that. Money to help the family on the onece in a blue moon occasion is not that big of a deal, but if someone in the family is always hitting you guys up for money, and she isn't off put by it, then there's something wrong there. Even in Mexico, people get tired of lazy people who become leaches, or can't ever solve money problems. If her family is out of state, you may not get hit up for this, but Latinos usually use something called a "Tanda" to raise a ton of money for a particular cause. They're like a big crowdfunded short term 0 interest loan. If you need $2000, you get 19 other people to chip in $100 every week for 20 weeks. You get the first $2000, and over the next 19 weeks, everyone else gets paid back one at a time. These are generally safe, and if it's for family, just require that you be early on the payback schedule- some people who use this as a way to save money, actually prefer to be near the end, so asking to be early is not a particularly rude.

Your real test will probably be after Paris. I'd personally, dial down the money you're spending on going out and stuff like that. If you're going out to restaurants, try going to taco trucks or cenadurias (little pop-up restaurants out of people's garages). Even if you can easily afford it and it's part of your personal self-care, dial down the going out and overall money spending, and see what kind of arguments pop up. If none pop up, she's probably the real deal. If you get emotional arguments, also a good sign that she thinks you're losing affection for her. If you get money arguments, she's scared the gravy train is running out.Thanks for the solid advice! I actually paid for her sister's flight to come with mother and brother and pick them up tonight. We will see how everything transpires. She was going to stay a week in Sinaloa for a family member's bday, but is coming back with family to Tijuana. Not sure if it is just to meet me or other family members, but interesting she is so anxious for me to meet family. It is like I setup a second household in Mexico. I guess I could say I asked for it when I suggested that we should move in together.

Some days she is happy with cooking and cleaning and other days she doesn't want to do taco shops, but nice restaurants. Not sure what to make of it, but time will tell. Also haven't been hit up for any family expenses yet. When she talks about her family's house renovations, she said it isn't my problem, but in a roundabout way it is my problem as she doesn't work and is helping to pay for it. I wish the culture was more direct when they talk about issues. It seems she talks about something and then not sure if I should "help" or just nod and go about my day.

ClownDays
11-17-21, 01:18
Thanks for the solid advice! I actually paid for her sister's flight to come with mother and brother and pick them up tonight. We will see how everything transpires. She was going to stay a week in Sinaloa for a family member's bday, but is coming back with family to Tijuana. Not sure if it is just to meet me or other family members, but interesting she is so anxious for me to meet family.If she's introducing you to her mother, it's because she likes you. She's not going to put up with the unholy mountain of pestering her mom is going to give her about getting married and squeezing out a couple of kids, if she wasn't into you.


Some days she is happy with cooking and cleaning and other days she doesn't want to do taco shops, but nice restaurants. Not sure what to make of it, but time will tell. Also haven't been hit up for any family expenses yet. When she talks about her family's house renovations, she said it isn't my problem, but in a roundabout way it is my problem as she doesn't work and is helping to pay for it. I wish the culture was more direct when they talk about issues. It seems she talks about something and then not sure if I should "help" or just nod and go about my day.Don't go overboard with the not going out or eating at nice restaurants. If you like her, it's great to go out and do nice things- just make sure that it's not an always thing. If you're doing the nice restaurant as part of a mix of taco stand, home cooking and take-out, that's great. You need to worry when she gets over cooking and cleaning herself, and just wants to eat out.

My guess is that she has quite a bit of money saved up somewhere. Fixing your parent's house is usually something you budget for. Also, something to remember, is that she was essentially earning in Dollars at the bar, and labor is super cheap in Mexico. Trust me, she's not spending that much money fixing their house when you figure it in Dollars, especially relative to what we would pay here.

You're paying for the ultimate GFE, so it's always helpful to think about the costs that way, but if I had to guess, this girl actually likes you. As long as you enjoy spending time with her, none of this nickel and dime stuff stuff is an issue- just make sure it doesn't become Dollar-Five-Dollar stuff. It becomes an issue when you stop enjoying your time with her, or her attitude and / or affection towards you changes. When that happens, it's time to just call it a day and move on.

Elvis 2008
11-17-21, 01:53
Some days she is happy with cooking and cleaning and other days she doesn't want to do taco shops, but nice restaurants. Not sure what to make of it, but time will tell. Also haven't been hit up for any family expenses yet. When she talks about her family's house renovations, she said it isn't my problem, but in a roundabout way it is my problem as she doesn't work and is helping to pay for it. I wish the culture was more direct when they talk about issues. It seems she talks about something and then not sure if I should "help" or just nod and go about my day.Everyone knows what machismo is, but I just learned of the female equivalent a few months ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianismo.

Therapists Rosa Maria Gil and Carmen Inoa Vasquez, present the beliefs they observed many of their patients holding as intrinsic to marianismo: "Don't forget the place of the woman; don't give up your traditions; don't be an old maid, independent, or have your own opinions; don't put your needs first; don't wish anything but to be a housewife; don't forget sex is to make babies, not pleasure; don't be unhappy with your man, no matter what he does to you; don't ask for help outside of your husband; don't discuss your personal problems outside the house; and don't change.

One of the differences between Colombian and Mexican women is what I call the wall, and it is like if they let you in, then they cannot complain about you any longer, so they are very hesitant to commit. I have seen a ton of Mexican women with horrific anxiety problems because they internalize so much. I think Colombian women are a little more liberal in their complaining about men. Still it is miles better than the USA where men are at fault for everything.

I guess I should mention this as well "While men are expected to provide financial resources, protection, and leadership, women are told to provide emotionally and physically in part by raising children and doing domestic work within their homes."

KB, that is why I said for you to let her direct any help you give out. She may tell you giving money to Cousin Jose is a bad idea but giving it to Cousin Jesus would be nice. It also would empower her. Unlike Western cultures, your giving money to her family if things get more serious is expected.

Phordphan
11-17-21, 05:13
CS,

I am with Kool Beans on this one. Every one I have taken has enjoyed the zip lines, jungles, snorkeling ETC. One gal told me that my taking her from Colombia to Cancun was "life changing" and while the gals would on occasion pile on the goodies when we went to Walmart for groceries, there were no shopping trips. I have taken like 8 women to Cancun and have never had what you describe happen. What I have seen is not materialism but women starved for fun.

If we did get fancy meals, it was my choice. They were happy with Uber Eats and simple taco joints.

I am sure there are women who meet your criteria but I think they can be easily weeded out. For the most part, if a woman is considerate in the bedroom (and wants to please you), she is probably going to be considerate outside of it too.Agreed. I've traveled with women in Mexico, and all over SEA. Never, ever, have I had that problem. But, to be fair, you and I have actually done it. Some guys just like to make up shit.

SeaBeeJoe
11-17-21, 16:02
I'm not sure who you're referencing, but every trip I've taken a bar girl have been great. In Thailand and Mexico, they have made the trip for me and have a genuine connection, rather than trying to hunt every night to figure out if you're going to get a bad experience or possibly robbed. I guess that is why the "hobby" is very YMMV. You can probably see the signs before taking them on these vacations. A suggestion would be to take them on short local trips before paying for the extended stays.Vacations with prostitutes is cool and all I have a few short time trips to Rosarito and Ensenada with a few cuties. I also enjoyed hunting in the clubs, yes sometimes it didn't turn out great but most of the time I got to bust a nut so it was still fun. In reflection I just hate fake relationships, I think in the future I will just fuck them in the clubs and switch up the girls.

SeaBeeJoe
11-21-21, 23:22
Vacations with prostitutes is cool and all I have a few short time trips to Rosarito and Ensenada with a few cuties. I also enjoyed hunting in the clubs, yes sometimes it didn't turn out great but most of the time I got to bust a nut so it was still fun. In reflection I just hate fake relationships, I think in the future I will just fuck them in the clubs and switch up the girls.I know I just wrote I took a girl to dinner and a motel but I am fully aware she is a hooker and I am her John.

Rambo1969
11-22-21, 09:08
All they want are shopping for stupid shit which you have to pay for and carry home, fancy meals, shows and parties where they can flash their wealth and alleged sex appeals to the crowd to feel good....

no more travels purely for sight seeing, architectural, cultural bullshit. Let the women travel with their stupid, sexless friends on their onw dimes so they can shop until they drop and carry their own shit home.

Guys take girls to vacations, probably hoping to get the satisfaction of showing them new places, novel experiences, perhaps also having sex with them on the road. Sadly for most guys, they would get no satisfaction or sex, just lots of fuking headaches, heavy expense, big bills ....

Will hook up with them with local bros and have a really fun, relaxing, sexy vacation this time after 18 months CoVid shutdown.Hilarious Captain.

But, you did not have 18 months of Covid shutdown.

You have been balling in Zona all along. Not like you have been starving for 18 months.

Captain Solo
11-22-21, 19:04
Machismo and marianismo are typical phony bullshit facades in Latin countries.

Men from all levels of society, pillars of the nations, go to church every week, hang out with clergies, showing facades of good, caring, moral men, but they lie, cheat, steal, rape, abuse, torture and murder people.

Too many dishonest, corrupt people living behind respectable facades; whole societies are corrupt. This is why Latin countries, Mexico, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Central Americas, South Americas, are eye-ball deep in poverty, exploitation, violence, instability, desperation, lack of progresses.

Captain Solo
11-23-21, 18:45
Rambo,

I had fun in the last 18 months, partying with girls and wingmen, some nights bagging 4 girls.

Bringing bar girls or SOs along on vacation is to bring problems with you, usually causes lots of fights, biitching, no sex, resentments like you are not offering and paying them enough. They will withhold sex until you pay them premiums for sessions, like extra combat pays. Then they prevent you from picking up other girls.

There are plenty of girls / women available on the road, pros and civies. Don't have to bring women and their huge baggage along.

To prevent problems and headache in life, it's best to keep everything, like relationships, sex, money ect separate, straight and simple with everyone, especially with the people closest to you, like bar girls, GFs, SOs, family, friends.

Member #4730
11-26-21, 22:49
Vacations with prostitutes is cool and all I have a few short time trips to Rosarito and Ensenada with a few cuties. I also enjoyed hunting in the clubs, yes sometimes it didn't turn out great but most of the time I got to bust a nut so it was still fun. In reflection I just hate fake relationships, I think in the future I will just fuck them in the clubs and switch up the girls.I just got back from Mexico City to get the GF passport. Most of the "regulars" I've met seemed like genuine connections that could potentially backfire and result in hurt feelings, but I'm pretty transparent minus the language barrier. Everyone hobbies differently and I'm guilty of repeating often with ones that I have a connection with. The Thai boards always say don't break the 3 day rule for long times and hard to walk when it is so intense. I keep thinking this journey with the ex-HK bargirl will die down, but every trip she seems to turn it up and make things more interesting. She translates, serves as tour guide, cooks and cleans for me. Her cousins even invited me to their homes in various parts of Mexico if in the area.

I met the family members and they tell her I'm a good guy even with the language barrier and limited interaction. She keeps telling me that she wants this relationship to last a "long time" and when I ask her how she knows, since we've only known each other since July. I have yet to get a solid response on the reasoning behind what she is trying to tell me. At least her English will improve, as it is a requirement for her to graduate with her engineering degree. Mexico City was cool, but probably keep trying to see new places throughout the country. At least we accomplished the mission of getting her passport and she was the first one in her family to get one and the first international trip for her. Never knew offering a trip to Paris would result in these turn of events. The funny thing is that her cousin, friends, and mother have similar dreams of visiting the city and wish they could visit one day. I just offered as a graduation gift and somewhat selfish desire of having a travel buddy that I have good chemistry with.

SeaBeeJoe
11-29-21, 05:01
I just got back from Mexico City to get the GF passport. Most of the "regulars" I've met seemed like genuine connections that could potentially backfire and result in hurt feelings, but I'm pretty transparent minus the language barrier. Everyone hobbies differently and I'm guilty of repeating often with ones that I have a connection with. The Thai boards always say don't break the 3 day rule for long times and hard to walk when it is so intense. I keep thinking this journey with the ex-HK bargirl will die down, but every trip she seems to turn it up and make things more interesting. She translates, serves as tour guide, cooks and cleans for me. Her cousins even invited me to their homes in various parts of Mexico if in the area.

I met the family members and they tell her I'm a good guy even with the language barrier and limited interaction. She keeps telling me that she wants this relationship to last a "long time" and when I ask her how she knows, since we've only known each other since July. I have yet to get a solid response on the reasoning behind what she is trying to tell me. At least her English will improve, as it is a requirement for her to graduate with her engineering degree. Mexico City was cool, but probably keep trying to see new places throughout the country. At least we accomplished the mission of getting her passport and she was the first one in her family to get one and the first international trip for her. Never knew offering a trip to Paris would result in these turn of events. The funny thing is that her cousin, friends, and mother have similar dreams of visiting the city and wish they could visit one day. I just offered as a graduation gift and somewhat selfish desire of having a travel buddy that I have good chemistry with.I feel you brother, I have had a few girlfriends in the past I met in the zona, some seemed very sincere and I can speak fair Spanish. Most of them I parted on friendly terms and a few still talk to me. I guess one of the good things about my experiences is that I am not Jealous anymore. Doesn't make since in the bars to be so, like so many chicas told me before "it's my job". Well it is.

LuvMexicanas
12-01-21, 21:38
"I, too, am a great believer in love. I want to find it myself some day. Let me give you a little bit of advice. Bed 'them, don't wed 'them. Do 'them, don't woo 'them. Date 'them, don't mate 'them" - Al Bundy.

Triple 777
12-02-21, 00:05
As I get older and hopefully wiser, at times we need to agree to disagree. I am not looking to piss anyone off.

This form is to help all of us in ways too many to list here. Which is why we post. Not for approval but to help all of us.

Regardless what your position is on any subject, you can heed the advise of seasoned mongers or not to your distain in many cases.

If you end up being on the positive side, we are all happy for you. Newbie or not.

Unfortunately, a lot of mongers, do some really stupid shit, that in the end, if they admit it, they should have heeded the wisdom listed in this forum.

None of us plan a trip for no sex. Any advantage we can gain by the experience of others helps all of us. Which club to go to, action in the alley, best Ladies on the streets, and best escort services, etc.

To each his own. This is not about a popularity contest, it is about using everyone's information for the benefit of all.

After each trip, we all think of what we could or should have done better.

The point of this forum and this content is to ensure all of us have an enjoyable sexual time, as safe as possible.

Please, stay focused on giving factual reviews, locations of hotties, and complete trip reports for the newbies and the seasoned mongers. Every time I try and post a review, someone has beaten me to it. I tip my hat to them.

Final comment, I will not get baited into a debate on here. If you wish to do your best to piss me off, your wasting everyone's time. Just ask my three ex wife's!

BlackThought
12-16-21, 18:32
On another note regarding guys who claim they don't pay and say they have "game", I always wondered why they post on a monger board.We all pay for it one way or another. There was one fake monger in the MDE thread that claimed getting "free pussy" because he's an "alpha", turned out he's actually never been to Colombia and got called out by several members. Now he spends his time in the "American Politics" thread jaja.

LuvMexicanas
12-17-21, 01:13
We all pay for it one way or another. There was one fake monger in the MDE thread that claimed getting "free pussy" because he's an "alpha", turned out he's actually never been to Colombia and got called out by several members. Now he spends his time in the "American Politics" thread jaja.That's exactly the point man. Too many fake mongers whether it's making shit up or not paying. This is ISG not a free pussy website.

LuvMexicanas
12-17-21, 01:26
We all pay for it one way or another. There was one fake monger in the MDE thread that claimed getting "free pussy" because he's an "alpha", turned out he's actually never been to Colombia and got called out by several members. Now he spends his time in the "American Politics" thread jaja.We have a similar situation here. He's not as bad as what you shared, as I do believe he's at least been to Tijuana but he posted one hell of a lie claiming he'd been to Tijuana 20-30 times during a one year period when his post history totally contradicted that.

DramaFree11
12-17-21, 18:46
L. Mudd. Good to see you are back and angry, complaining and a jealous as ever. I am in MTY at the airport on the way to CDMX, having a great time. I was here last weekend, but you selectively leave out details in your reports, like calling me, yes, I am making everything up. Get a life.

You need to have some fun and stop complaining. You would fit in Colombia perfectly most of those guys have low standards and complain a lot. Yes, it is S. Hole, definitely not Paradise. There is natural beauty and cheap if you live there long term. I will say one thing Colombian women make me appreciate American Women, so that is another good thing about Colombia. Keep up the jealousy and being angry, I will keep having fun / banging hot women, something you know very little about.

DramaFree11
12-17-21, 18:56
L. Mudd I am on the way to M. City you can join me and buy me dinner. This will make up for all the lies you say about me and others. You can go through my password, emails, Airbnb, WhatsApp, and see. See. Of course you will not do, because that would require to get off your computer, spend money and have some fun. You can also send Rog. In your place or some of your Role Models.

LuvMexicanas
12-17-21, 19:27
L. Mudd. Good to see you are back and angry, complaining and a jealous as ever. I am in MTY at the airport on the way to CDMX, having a great time. I was here last weekend, but you selectively leave out details in your reports, like calling me, yes, I am making everything up. Get a life.

You need to have some fun and stop complaining. You would fit in Colombia perfectly most of those guys have low standards and complain a lot. Yes, it is S. Hole, definitely not Paradise. There is natural beauty and cheap if you live there long term. I will say one thing Colombian women make me appreciate American Women, so that is another good thing about Colombia. Keep up the jealousy and being angry, I will keep having fun / banging hot women, something you know very little about.I called you? That is the lie of the century.

LuvMexicanas
12-17-21, 19:31
L. Mudd I am on the way to M. City you can join me and buy me dinner. This will make up for all the lies you say about me and others. You can go through my password, emails, Airbnb, WhatsApp, and see. See. Of course you will not do, because that would require to get off your computer, spend money and have some fun. You can also send Rog. In your place or some of your Role Models.I've forgotten more about CDMX than you know. You're the only liar and the veteran posters on the Tijuana threads all know it so stop pretending.

ScatManDoo
12-17-21, 20:19
L. Mudd I am on the way to M. City you can join me and buy me dinner. This will make up for all the lies you say about me and others. You can go through my password, emails, Airbnb, WhatsApp, and see. See. Of course you will not do, because that would require to get off your computer, spend money and have some fun. You can also send Rog. In your place or some of your Role Models.You seem to be a Drama Freak11 in many threads all over this board.

BlackThought
12-17-21, 20:51
LOL Captain's pissing off a lot of mongers in the MDE thread. The mongers in that thread need to loosen up, they act like he's bashing their mom / sister.

DramaFree11
12-17-21, 23:30
You text me on WhatsApp, I stand corrected and you screwed that up.

LuvMexicanas
12-18-21, 00:16
You text me on WhatsApp, I stand corrected and you screwed that up.Again, untrue. You have a compulsive lying issue. Example below.

DramaFree11
12-18-21, 03:25
LOL Captain's pissing off a lot of mongers in the MDE thread. The mongers in that thread need to loosen up, they act like he's bashing their mom / sister.That is why L. Mudd should be on the Colombian Page. He would fit right in.

LuvMexicanas
12-18-21, 06:15
That is why L. Mudd should be on the Colombian Page. He would fit right in.Similar to the MDE poster Blackthought mentioned, numb nuts never addresses the actual issue. As shown in the screenshot I already posted, he bold face lied about his alleged 20-30 trips to Tijuana. Pure and simple. Insults are all he is capable of because behind the facade, there is no substance.

Member #4730
12-18-21, 06:23
I have been dating an ex HK bar girl for past 2 months and boy has it been a roller coaster. Overall I'm happy with the life experience, but it has not been without many challenges and learning more about myself and my own insecurities. We first started out with an "arrangement" where I "help" her out with $300 per week and live with her 5 days a week in Tijuana.

At the beginning I was hesitant and I think she wasn't too sure of what to expect since she has never lived with someone else besides her family and amigas. She said I may view her differently once we move in together. I said we could give it a try and I rented an Airbnb for 2 months just in case the arrangement went south. She was cooking and cleaning 2-3 meals a day and we had sex 4-5 times a day. At my age, I can only keep up that pace for so long and then eventually run out of Gogo juice.

She started to invite me to meet friends, cousins, and aunts for card games and various family events. I wasn't quite sure what to make of this as I thought you would only invite someone that you are serious about committing to. All of the extended family and friends seemed receptive and knew about the age gap, which I'm almost twice her age. Also they probably wonder why she is dating a gringo with limited Spanish ability, but they all seemed enthusiastic in trying to communicate with me in English.

Some thoughts that come to mind when I think age gap is attire. I don't really care to dress up as I'm older and don't really give a crap about other peoples opinions. She dresses up like a 20 year old college student wearing outfits that either show side boob or waist and jeans with numerous tears and rips. Sometimes she wears heels just to go out to eat. I find it funny, but also tell her she should dress more conservative and she doesn't need to display her natural puppies to the public. She also spends hours putting on makeup sometimes depending on the event. Not sure if it is just her need for attention or normal for Latina women. My ex didn't really care for makeup and dressed more conservative, but maybe due to her growing up in a different social class household.

Another thing that I can recall is I wrote numerous one page letters that were translated with Google translate to ask her questions about life, past, present, and future. She probably should have left me numerous times when I kept bringing up the past and probing about her life, but I need to know who I am dealing with and what her true intentions are with the relationship. I even gave her an ultimatum on one letter that asked to see her cell phone to a certain date when we were meeting more often and she was telling me she loved me (te quiero) and she stopped working.

It is always in the back of my mind that she is going to keep working for the "fast money" as she says she averaged $500 a night and I wasn't quite sure why she would quit since that is more than I make since my income is taxed. I often told her to reflect on what she wanted in life and if this "relationship" was right for her at this moment in time. She kept reassuring me this relationships is what she wants. We all are at different stages in life and timing may be off for one or the other.

The connection we have is unreal and I never felt something was off, but the constant text notifications on her phone started to set off alarms and my intuition was telling me something else might be going on. So I started probing more about her life and past and she seemed annoyed and I asked if she still sees "clients". She said no and that she doesn't use her business account on WhatsApp as she has a personal and business acct. I accepted her answer at face value, but still had a feeling as I felt uneasy when I was away from the apartment.

Eventually I saw more texts notifications all throughout the day and told her I would be cutting the "support" to $600 and I felt like I had one foot in the door and one out the door as I was trying to make sure I don't get played. She would tell me about various family issues that required money and I told her I couldn't help her out to which she seemed annoyed. I started to question if it was about the money and she said she would still be working instead of living with me if it was about the money.

Around Thanksgiving, she said she wanted her mom, sister, and brother to visit Tijuana. She wanted them to meet me and a cousins baby. I said sure and paid for them to fly to Tijuana. Before picking them up I got them some drinks and snacks as I know I hate coming off a flight famished and thirsty. They seemed to genuinely appreciate the effort. I took them to eat at Tacos el franc and at the end of the meal I left a normal 20% tip, but the mother pushed it back to me and put a smaller amount as a tip. I found it odd, but he sister and my girlfriend kind of laughed as it is common for her to leave a smaller tip. I find out her mother works at a taco shop so she must know the standard acceptable tip.

It was an enjoyable time with her family minus the verbal communication was nonexistent, but they seemed to enjoy the visit. I voiced more of my concerns to my girlfriend and she seemed annoyed that I'm probing more when her family is visiting. She actually became sick with migraines and stomach issues and not sure if it was due to all of the stress I caused with the questions and ultimatums, but I don't like things to rest on my mind and have to get it off my chest.

I noticed during our outings she would push her code to her phone in front of my face so one night I got a hold of her phone and started to export WhatsApp chats to my cloud storage and focused on names I knew, archived chats, and recent conversations, probably 50-60% of the conversations. I know a dick move and she should have left me. I started to translate all of it and figure out she has been trying to setup dates and I knew why she didn't want me to see her chats with her "friends". I brought up the conversations to her and she was upset. She said she was ashamed with herself and at me for violating her privacy. I said I understand and she said she never told any of the "clients" that she loved them and only me.

I kind of laughed to myself in my head thinking if that is acceptable, then I could reply that I never told any of the other women I've seen that I love them either. It wasn't until I read the ISG board where some mongers said that it is "just business" and "survival" for them. It made me reflect on the mixed messages I've been sending in the "relationship". I constantly threatened to leave her if I found out she wasn't telling me the truth and I let her know that we need to be transparent and have honest communication. I told her she needs to decide if it is the wrong time in her life for a relationship or if I'm not the right one for her.

It made me question what I did wrong, but she said she didn't go through with the dates and it is "just business". I told her I understood her situation. She asked me what I'd do if I was in her situation. I told her I'd continue working since she makes more money than me, but she says she loves me (te amo) and would cry every night if we separated.

This relationship really fucked up my view on mongering and she fucked up falling in love and introducing me to her inner circle. I still haven't let any of my family know or meet her since they might view it odd since I'm dating someone that is half my age. The WhatsApp conversations were entertaining as one guy has a similar name as mine and she professes her love to him to which he was confused. Another conversation confirmed her fetish and likes in men which I fit and she even mentioned me in other conversations to friends before we started the "relationship". I told her I love her and will try to make it work, but it involves 2 people wanting the same thing. She offered to get a new phone number and delete her business account. I think she deleted her business account, but not sure and will see if she goes through with getting a new number.

I viewed her as having potential wife material and was going to give it 2 years, but I think I'll extend it to 3-5 years since I'm still not sure what she wants in life. I think being college age would be difficult to settle down. For now I'm just enjoying the love she has for me and the journey. Some red flags I should have noticed were when she offered to pay for meals out, clothes, etc. I always thought she was trying to use the money I gave her, but not quite sure what to make of it. Also not sure how they can emotionally detach with "business" and then have romantic feelings for someone. I'll add more about my adventure, but hard to compress 2 months into a post. Maybe others have had similar experiences, but yeah I fucked up and fell in love with an ex HK bargirl.

Dogers69
12-18-21, 06:44
I have been dating an ex HK bar girl for past 2 months and boy has it been a roller coaster. Overall I'm happy with the life experience, but it has not been without many challenges and learning more about myself and my own insecurities. We first started out with an "arrangement" where I "help" her out with $300 per week and live with her 5 days a week in Tijuana.

At the beginning I was hesitant and I think she wasn't too sure of what to expect since she has never lived with someone else besides her family and amigas. She said I may view her differently once we move in together. I said we could give it a try and I rented an Airbnb for 2 months just in case the arrangement went south. She was cooking and cleaning 2-3 meals a day and we had sex 4-5 times a day. At my age, I can only keep up that pace for so long and then eventually run out of Gogo juice...99% of mongers would not want to be you. We want to smash different woman. We want to wake up everyday not knowing who we will bang this week. We like Hong Kong and flirting with the woman in the club. Personally I don't see this relationship going on, endlessly. For instance a woman tends to be much happier when younger. They see the good in a guy. As they hit 30, 40, they see the bad. "he's not tall, he's losing his hair, he's not muscular, he didn't take me on vacation for my birthday". So she may hit that point in life when a old gringo doesn't make her happy. She's going to always have that urge to make easy money. I know Mexican woman in Tijuana dating Americans 20, 30 years older than them, who don't pay them any money. But they live in projects, have normal jobs, don't have taste for fine things in life. So you may be better off just finding a regular girl to fall in love with who is happy to live rent free in palayas in your apartment and she probably won't as good as the current one. But at least you can hope for a chance to grow old with her. This current one, not likely.

Big Magick
12-18-21, 15:21
Its a bummer your relationship isn't going smoothly KB. Its making me question my own sanity going on dates with bar girls. This arrangement doesn't seem very normal too me. If I understand correctly you are paying 1200 $ a month for her to be your live in GF. If she really loves you why the 1200 dollars? But I also understand she needs spending cash for basics. I recently got invited to meet the family of a bar girl. First time that's happened, its a big deal for latin women. On the surface the situation looks bad but all standard stuff in my opinion. She's in her 20's. Don't know about you KB but I was an idiot for most of my 20's. At that age you're older than the teenagers but your still clueless, naive, unsure of what you want etc. Add on top she's a woman and you got someone who barely has any rational long term thoughts in her head. Not saying she's dumb just young. Women like to keep their options open and for her that means her clients. In your gut you knew going into this it was going to be tough but I don't think all hope is lost. Just see what the relationship for what it really is. I stopped contacting my last bar girl because I felt I was falling too hard. Thats a recipe for disaster, at least for me personally because I stop thinking when I'm in love. This new BG I'm seeing I really like but I'm not letting myself fall in love, she's a great time, even better than the last one but I know even if there is genuine attraction / love from her she's still a BG I met at Hong Kong and they arent normal women. Not necessarily bad women but you are not dating some chick you met at the mall in California. Remember to think logically and rationally above all else and you should be fine. See the relationship for what it really is but also don't withhold your love from fear of getting played because that's no way to live but all this is just my two pesos KB.

Dating these girls has changed my view of mongering as well. I recently found out I have a reputation at HK now. Found out from my new girl that the girls talk about me. I guess being there so much word gets around because they can see I'm spending tons of money there. I mean its what they are good at, sniffing out money LOL.

But if we plan to date girls in mexico whether bar girls or civvies they will always see us as the rich gringo, at least most of them will. I say if you are enjoying her company then keep going because lifes short.

DramaFree11
12-18-21, 16:34
Love Mudd. Just got done with an amazing evening in CDMX. In the last 36 hours I have had 4 amazing sessions. All of the girls are extremely hot, something you would know nothing about. 2 of the girls spent the night.

I am here, catch a flight. You have now been invited to MTY and CDMX, but you leave this out of reports. You have also used my real name in one of your reports. That would require having fun, spending money, and talking to girls.

It is easy to sit behind your computer complaining and making crap up. I and others are having the time of our lives, you should do the same.

Ctytek
12-18-21, 18:11
Gawd this is sad. Why would anyone choose to be in a relationship with a hooker and be a walking ATM for her and her family. You need to really reassess your priorities in life, KoolBeans. If you want a long term relationship. You may wish to look for your partner somewhere other than Hong Kong.


I have been dating an ex HK bar girl for past 2 months and boy has it been a roller coaster. Overall I'm happy with the life experience, but it has not been without many challenges and learning more about myself and my own insecurities. We first started out with an "arrangement" where I "help" her out with $300 per week and live with her 5 days a week in Tijuana.

BlackThought
12-18-21, 18:44
99% of mongers would not want to be you. We want to smash different woman. We want to wake up everyday not knowing who we will bang this week. We like Hong Kong and flirting with the woman in the club. Personally I don't see this relationship going on, endlessly. For instance a woman tends to be much happier when younger. They see the good in a guy. As they hit 30, 40, they see the bad. "he's not tall, he's losing his hair, he's not muscular, he didn't take me on vacation for my birthday". So she may hit that point in life when a old gringo doesn't make her happy. She's going to always have that urge to make easy money. I know Mexican woman in Tijuana dating Americans 20, 30 years older than them, who don't pay them any money. But they live in projects, have normal jobs, don't have taste for fine things in life. So you may be better off just finding a regular girl to fall in love with who is happy to live rent free in palayas in your apartment and she probably won't as good as the current one. But at least you can hope for a chance to grow old with her. This current one, not likely.Exactly, I'm sure majority of us are not traveling to monger destinations to find love / wife. My mission is to have sex with as many hot women as I possibly can, it's a fun and exciting hobby. It doesn't matter how hot the women is, fucking the same box eventually gets boring.

"Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy who's tired of fucking her".

Captain Solo
12-18-21, 19:54
Blackthought.

"Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy who's tired of fucking her". Exactly. Even with lots of love, guys will get bored with the same beautiful women years in years out.

Girls' charms, beauty, bodies and feels are all different. They respond and express their sexual pleasures in different ways, some don't express anything at all.

I had some very beautiful Chinese girls but was unable to communicate with them, got bored fast. Few Pinays were as beautiful as Chinese, but they could communicate in English, making their companies much sweeter and sexier. A few years back I landed in manila in the afternoon. Within 12 hours I pulled 5 girls and popped 7 times. Communication made them felt like real humans, a lot sweeter and more sensuous. It's very nice to experience the varieties of spices in life.

I am planning to do a tour of Southeast Asia as soon as countries open up. Thailand will be open to foreign travelers this week with 1 day test and quarantine in a hotel. Reportedly the bars along lower Sukhumvit and Soi Cowboy are open with lots of girls waiting for farangs to come back. I need me a few soapy / nuru massages with hot Thai girls to wake my sensuality back up hehe.

BlackThought
12-18-21, 20:59
I had some very beautiful Chinese girls but was unable to communicate with them, got bored fast. Few Pinays were as beautiful as Chinese, but they could communicate in English, making their companies much sweeter and sexier. A few years back I landed in manila in the afternoon. Within 12 hours I pulled 5 girls and popped 7 times. Communication made them felt like real humans, a lot sweeter and more sensuous.Totally agree. It's difficult to get GFE communicating through google translate jajaja. That's what I really enjoyed about HK club, that I never had to use google translate. In Colombia, it was google translate for everything. Communication is key for chemistry / connection.

Mongering in SEA isn't my thing. Manila is an expensive place to monger, take a bus up to Angeles city and the price is cut in half. They have their own "walking street".

LuvMexicanas
12-18-21, 21:38
Similar to the MDE poster Blackthought mentioned, numb nuts never addresses the actual issue. As shown in the screenshot I already posted, he bold face lied about his alleged 20-30 trips to Tijuana. Pure and simple. Insults are all he is capable of because behind the facade, there is no substance.Post a link to one of your 20-30 trips to Tijuana the phony aka Dramaqueef.

Sol12
12-18-21, 21:41
Well some of what I remember from previous posts of yours was you not paying her an allowance any longer for a reason that I don't remember. When I read that it made me wonder why she would stay with you. Like you said she has been providing for herself since 17 and she has family that relies on her help for them. She supposedly told them that she has an American boyfriend that provides the money for her and later introduces you to family so they think she wasn't lying. So you cut off her income since she is no longer working so if she can't help family like before but the two of you are still together I don't think they would understand. So you kind of forced her to see clients behind your back. If it was me I'd be upset with how you use cutting her off as a bargaining chip that she gets taken away if she doesn't do as you wish. Yet you say you love her and from all the things you have talked about with her you seem to only bring up her beauty and how good she is in bed. So I think your love is not true.

In all your posts and how things have gone I'm just waiting to see what happens after your trip to Paris. In the back of my mind I still wonder if she is in this just for the trip and she'll end it after that. Especially with the school excuse.

I also think you went to fast with this whole thing especially since you just got out of a marriage and you just wanted that void filled.

I have some other concerns but don't want to fill your head with more negativity. Especially since you aren't with her for Christmas. Best of luck.

LuvMexicanas
12-18-21, 21:49
Love Mudd. Just got done with an amazing evening in CDMX. In the last 36 hours I have had 4 amazing sessions. All of the girls are extremely hot, something you would know nothing about. 2 of the girls spent the night.

I am here, catch a flight. You have now been invited to MTY and CDMX, but you leave this out of reports. You have also used my real name in one of your reports. That would require having fun, spending money, and talking to girls.

It is easy to sit behind your computer complaining and making crap up. I and others are having the time of our lives, you should do the same.You need to lay off the sauce. Also, you posted your own real name you nitwit.

Member #4730
12-18-21, 22:58
Its a bummer your relationship isn't going smoothly KB. Its making me question my own sanity going on dates with bar girls. This arrangement doesn't seem very normal too me. If I understand correctly you are paying 1200 $ a month for her to be your live in GF. If she really loves you why the 1200 dollars? But I also understand she needs spending cash for basics. I recently got invited to meet the family of a bar girl. First time that's happened, its a big deal for latin women. On the surface the situation looks bad but all standard stuff in my opinion. She's in her 20's. Don't know about you KB but I was an idiot for most of my 20's. At that age you're older than the teenagers but your still clueless, naive, unsure of what you want etc. Add on top she's a woman and you got someone who barely has any rational long term thoughts in her head. Not saying she's dumb just young. Women like to keep their options open and for her that means her clients. In your gut you knew going into this it was going to be tough but I don't think all hope is lost. Just see what the relationship for what it really is. I stopped contacting my last bar girl because I felt I was falling too hard. Thats a recipe for disaster, at least for me personally because I stop thinking when I'm in love. This new BG I'm seeing I really like but I'm not letting myself fall in love, she's a great time, even better than the last one but I know even if there is genuine attraction / love from her she's still a BG I met at Hong Kong and they arent normal women. Not necessarily bad women but you are not dating some chick you met at the mall in California. Remember to think logically and rationally above all else and you should be fine. See the relationship for what it really is but also don't withhold your love from fear of getting played because that's no way to live but all this is just my two pesos KB.

Dating these girls has changed my view of mongering as well. I recently found out I have a reputation at HK now. Found out from my new girl that the girls talk about me. I guess being there so much word gets around because they can see I'm spending tons of money there. I mean its what they are good at, sniffing out money LOL.

But if we plan to date girls in mexico whether bar girls or civvies they will always see us as the rich gringo, at least most of them will. I say if you are enjoying her company then keep going because lifes short.I agree life is short and glad I didn't die this year when I totaled my truck. I pay her $600 per month, food, and rent. When I found the chats of her trying to setup dates, then it changed things slightly, but I told her I understood her predicament since she asked me if I could help her with family issues. I declined those requests and always think how she will help the family when I decline offering assistance. Now I know, she is put in between a rock and hard place since she doesn't "work". I always told her to let me know if the relationship isn't right for her at this time in her life as she is young and I don't want to feel like I'm taking the best years of her life.

Some Mexican guys were sending her mother flowers for her birthday and others were talking about paying for her to fly to different places for vacation. It confused me why she would pick me over the other guys, but it may be the connection we have even though it is sort of fucked up. She has friends that own restaurants, in Banda bands, and have businesses in Mexico, so it isn't a lack of qualified men in her life. They are also closer in age to her and speak her language. Those are the guys that worry me about the relationship since she has history with them.

I'll keep trying to ride this until the wheels fall off and not sure where it is going to take me, but it has been fun. The real test for me is when she graduates and if she can hold onto a "respectable" job as she says or start a business. I understand a lot of the other bros feelings regarding sex workers and I never expected to be in a relationships with one.

PedroMorales
12-18-21, 23:13
Some Mexican guys were sending her mother flowers for her birthday and others were talking about paying for her to fly to different places for vacation. It confused me why she would pick me over the other guys, but it may be the connection we have even though it is sort of fucked up. She has friends that own restaurants, in Banda bands, and have businesses in Mexico, so it isn't a lack of qualified men in her life. They are also closer in age to her and speak her language. Those are the guys that worry me about the relationship since she has history with them..You don't speak Spanish. You know Jack shit about Mexico or Mexicans. Ever hear the expression: one born every minute. Ever think it might apply to you?

Go watch Born on the Fourth of July, the Mexican hooker scenes in particular. Mexico is the land of machism and you imagine made Mexicans treat a Tijuana hooker like the Virgin of Guadalupe. Estás pero si bien pendejo.

DramaFree11
12-19-21, 03:12
I agree life is short and glad I didn't die this year when I totaled my truck. I pay her $600 per month, food, and rent. When I found the chats of her trying to setup dates, then it changed things slightly, but I told her I understood her predicament since she asked me if I could help her with family issues. I declined those requests and always think how she will help the family when I decline offering assistance. Now I know, she is put in between a rock and hard place since she doesn't "work". I always told her to let me know if the relationship isn't right for her at this time in her life as she is young and I don't want to feel like I'm taking the best years of her life.

Some Mexican guys were sending her mother flowers for her birthday and others were talking about paying for her to fly to different places for vacation. It confused me why she would pick me over the other guys, but it may be the connection we have even though it is sort of fucked up. She has friends that own restaurants, in Banda bands, and have businesses in Mexico, so it isn't a lack of qualified men in her life. They are also closer in age to her and speak her language. Those are the guys that worry me about the relationship since she has history with them..I do not think anyone cares where you met her. We are all guilty of the same thing. Unless you guys quit the game playing, end the jealousy and stop asking her about the past it will never work. When I was living in Ukraine and spending time in Russia, people always talked about moving forward in life and not focus on the past. We as Americans live in the past, especially American women. The past is the past, who cares. Let it go.

DramaFree11
12-19-21, 03:28
I agree life is short and glad I didn't die this year when I totaled my truck. I pay her $600 per month, food, and rent. When I found the chats of her trying to setup dates, then it changed things slightly, but I told her I understood her predicament since she asked me if I could help her with family issues. I declined those requests and always think how she will help the family when I decline offering assistance. Now I know, she is put in between a rock and hard place since she doesn't "work". I always told her to let me know if the relationship isn't right for her at this time in her life as she is young and I don't want to feel like I'm taking the best years of her life.

Some Mexican guys were sending her mother flowers for her birthday and others were talking about paying for her to fly to different places for vacation. It confused me why she would pick me over the other guys, but it may be the connection we have even though it is sort of fucked up. She has friends that own restaurants, in Banda bands, and have businesses in Mexico, so it isn't a lack of qualified men in her life. They are also closer in age to her and speak her language. Those are the guys that worry me about the relationship since she has history with them..When I was hanging out at HK there were very few girls making $500 a night, on the weekend, maybe. During the week it can be tough for those girls, How would not believe that for a second. If she was truly making that kind of money why is she broke now?

Member #4730
12-19-21, 04:14
In the back of my mind I still wonder if she is in this just for the trip and she'll end it after that. Especially with the school excuse.

I also think you went to fast with this whole thing especially since you just got out of a marriage and you just wanted that void filled.

I have some other concerns but don't want to fill your head with more negativity. Especially since you aren't with her for Christmas. Best of luck.We have another month in Tijuana after the trip and she is going to try private university route for transfer. If not, then I might be traveling once a month to her hometown. Not sure what other concerns you can think of, but would appreciate it since you might have been through similar situation. One time she wanted to see my WhatsApp of the regular I was seeing to make sure it wasn't one of her friends and she said "she is ugly" and promptly deleted the contact from my phone. She was visibly upset and not sure what to make of it. She wants me to visit her hometown so maybe in Feb.

Also with as much psychological shit Ive put her through, she should have walked numerous times. One time I was halfway out the door and she pulled me back and then the other time she was packing her shit and I told her not to leave. I told her Id cancel the trip numerous times all the way back until October. She said she didnt care about the trip and could go by herself in the future if this relationship didnt work out. The most recent fight, which involved me violating her privacy and seeing the WhatsApp texts, she said she still wants to go on the trip with me and wants to make it work.

Member #4730
12-19-21, 04:17
I do not think anyone cares where you met her. We are all guilty of the same thing. Unless you guys quit the game playing, end the jealousy and stop asking her about the past it will never work. When I was living in Ukraine and spending time in Russia, people always talked about moving forward in life and not focus on the past. We as Americans live in the past, especially American women. The past is the past, who cares. Let it go.It is the reason I'm trying to move forward and make it "work". She said she deleted her WhatsApp business acct. And getting a new number. We will see in the coming months how things unfold. I already know I have 2 variables that are working against me and that is the age gap and dating an ex sex worker.

Member #4730
12-19-21, 04:22
When I was hanging out at HK there were very few girls making $500 a night, on the weekend, maybe. During the week it can be tough for those girls, How would not believe that for a second. If she was truly making that kind of money why is she broke now?She is funding her parent's home renovation, paid off a cousins credit card, paying for her school, and helping out an aunt that is working in the USA I told her this relationship might not be the right time in her life, but she reassures me this is what she wants. Time will only tell…

BlackThought
12-19-21, 06:00
She is funding her parent's home renovation, paid off a cousins credit card, paying for her school, and helping out an aunt that is working in the USA I told her this relationship might not be the right time in her life, but she reassures me this is what she wants. Time will only tellI highly doubt a chica making $500/ night at HK club would be fine with $600/ month, that's absurd. I agree with drama, $500/ night *260 work days = $130 k. Why would she settle with a man twice her age for $7,200/ year. Based on what I've seen at the club, most guys are not taking the girls for arriba.

Sol12
12-19-21, 08:22
We have another month in Tijuana after the trip and she is going to try private university route for transfer. If not, then I might be traveling once a month to her hometown. Not sure what other concerns you can think of, but would appreciate it since you might have been through similar situation. One time she wanted to see my WhatsApp of the regular I was seeing to make sure it wasn't one of her friends and she said "she is ugly" and promptly deleted the contact from my phone. She was visibly upset and not sure what to make of it. She wants me to visit her hometown so maybe in Feb.

Also with as much psychological shit Ive put her through, she should have walked numerous times. One time I was halfway out the door and she pulled me back and then the other time she was packing her shit and I told her not to leave. I told her Id cancel the trip numerous times all the way back until October. She said she didnt care about the trip and could go by herself in the future if this relationship didnt work out. The most recent fight, which involved me violating her privacy and seeing the WhatsApp texts, she said she still wants to go on the trip with me and wants to make it work.Well the first thing is that she has an aunt that worked in Tijuana and had a man leave her. Since the aunt has her ear I wonder if the aunt tells her to make as much money as possible while she is young because once she is older she will be thrown away since guys are always looking for younger girls. Or she wants to find an American to marry since the laws are more in the woman's favor if the guy decides to leave. It seems that she has hinted at wanting to get married or live in the US a couple of times from things you have posted. In another thread you mentioned about not sure how she would get a Visa. So seems like this has been talked about with her. For that I have a lot of experience if you need it.

The second concern I have is more of things that have been talked about on many boards before that I was on just talking about Tijuana. Many talk of girls having their true love usually still living in their home town. It seems odd she would be completely alone at 17 and not have a boyfriend that she was with. When girls are at that age and in love it's hard for them to get over it. So she could be working in Tijuana and helping him until they can be together again. Now I don't know how hard it is to transfer schools in Mexico but seems like she is apprehensive to leave.

Unfortunately my personal experience is much different than yours and when I read of your situation the only thing that I really relate to is just giving up your life in the US to live in Tijuana. The relationship stuff is a lot of people I have known that lived or married bar girls or how friends of my ex would treat guys. Also being able to speak the language helps a relationship and since your girl doesn't have a kid I wonder how you spend most of your time since you don't seem to have a normal job that you go to each day, so the both of you AR stuck at home together for long periods of time and I just wonder if you both enjoy it or if you or her find yourselves trying to find reasons to leave the apartment from time to time just to getaway.

I've said it many times that nothing any of us say should matter as every situation is different and those if us that have read your whole story are aware that you didn't go looking for this to happen it just did. If you really love her and want this just do what you can but don't give up all your money to win her, and if you get married you need a prenup. Had a buddy that had money and he was smart so when she left just after them getting married he wasn't out very much.

Now in her defense I'd say you've been unfair to her in some ways especially not making any effort to have her me t family or friends of yours. In her mind I would think she wonders if you are really married or you are ashamed of her and she's not good enough for you to meet your family.

Not sure if any of this has helped. I do feel bad that the only people you can talk to about this are guys on this board, I was lucky to have a group of friends in Tijuana that were all in a similar situation to relate to and learn from.

One last thing if you really love her and want this to work I would think of surprising her and showing up for Christmas.

Good luck.

Big Magick
12-19-21, 10:52
The writings on the wall for you KB. I have told you this before but you should break up with this girl. Everyone else I'm sure agrees. At this point I don't think you are going to listen to reason. If any relationship caused me this much drama I would have walked away, especially one that's a few months old. Cut your losses and move on. A blind man could see this is a bad situation. I was really rooting for you too but just being purely objective here. Theres new girls at the bars everyday. I'm sure you can find one that doesn't cause this much headache, or better yet a non working girl. If you're posting this for us to give you advice guidance than this is it. Break it off. This relationship is bad for your health and wallet. But I don't think you are going to listen.

Elvis 2008
12-19-21, 15:32
I agree life is short and glad I didn't die this year when I totaled my truck. I pay her $600 per month, food, and rent. When I found the chats of her trying to setup dates, then it changed things slightly, but I told her I understood her predicament since she asked me if I could help her with family issues. I declined those requests and always think how she will help the family when I decline offering assistance. Now I know, she is put in between a rock and hard place since she doesn't "work". I always told her to let me know if the relationship isn't right for her at this time in her life as she is young and I don't want to feel like I'm taking the best years of her life.Okay, KB, other guys are telling you to break up with her, but part of the reason you are with her is that you have great chemistry and great sex. That is rare. Guys say someone is tried of fucking anyone even the greatest beauties but if you break up with her, you will see that sex with other women will not compare.

I dated and got engaged to a Venezuelan girl who was cute but when she took off her clothes, she may have had the best figure I have ever seen. Her ass was a work of art. So we broke it off, and the reason was the same as yours. She was hanging out with men looking to make more money. She was actually looking at trading more than selling her body, but it was kind of the same thing, inappropriate conversations and behaviors, and I cut her off and blasted her behavior. After I did that, she broke it off with me.

I was going to fly and meet her to try to win her back and could not do it. I wound up in Colombia versus where she lived in Peru. I was determined to find someone as hot as her, and no one I found could match her. Finally, a year later I bedded a Venezuelan in Mexico who was more than her equal looks wise and in bed, but I felt like she was an out and out ho. I used seeking.com and bedded even more beauties but there was always something off: too greedy, too stupid, too crass. Finally, after 2 years of looking, I found someone better in bed, more striking, and way nicer. The hardest part to get was that my Venezuelan gal really loved me. The sex was easily replaced, the looks, compatibility, and intelligence were harder still, but the hardest was the love, real love that is not faked.

I am glad that things did not work out with the Venezuelan gal. I just do not like the knee jerk, screaming response I had when seeing she was hanging with another guy and she lied about it. She needed more money than I was giving her, and she was doing what she had to do. I should have been more understanding than enraged. I have no regrets that we broke up just about how I reacted. Cutting a woman off money wise is a john move, and like you, I did it.

So she tried the currency trading and failed as I predicted. I told her that she would look at all her options, see that finding another guy was best and go back and hook up with a rich guy, and she did. The new guy is more generous than me, and that is what I meant when you say you get to pay for her. Would another guy pay more for being with her than you would? If so, you are getting a bargain.

I know how you are. You have the money but you do not want to feel cheated. Again, that is a john mentality. If she is your woman, you want her to feel loved and cared for. All the guys calling you a sucker do not get it. When you spend money on the right woman, it is really not a cost but an investment that will pay you much more back.

But I will be honest that is not the problem. The problem is your insecurity, You are thinking you are not good enough. Why else would you go through her phone or cut her off or be making the comments about your ages? You do not have have the mind set that you are the best thing could have happened to her. Sure, in my case, the Venezuelan found another guy but she went through two years of hell before then, and something is still off with her.

What that 2 year period really was for me was a journey getting rid of my insecurities. I think the interesting thing was time and again I learned how getting a beautiful woman was nothing especially in the Latin world and how many were dead ass broke.

I have a stunning female friend who married and divorced a famous rock star. She showed me how many of her friends were so broke. I said she could go into any club and bang any rich guy. She said she could, but that rich guys were assholes and while they would fuck her that they would never introduce her to their parents. She banged athletes and found they were egotistical and lousy in bed, and I heard the same story from so many like her. I had so many hooker types tell me I was good in bed, and I just thought they were lying. Now I wondered, were they really?

You think your gal has so many options and she does but so many of them are terrible, unknown, and unsafe. In that two year period, I had three women say they loved me and showed me they did. The best one was the last one. She was more cute than hot but outside of that, she really had it all. When she told me I was the best lover she ever had, I actually believed her. A friend of hers made a comment on the 30 year difference in our ages. I told her if that was going to be a problem for her, I would find a woman where that was not a problem. She said in a scared voice it was not, and I never heard about the age thing again. Still, something was not right. I felt like there was still better out there.

I almost lost out on my current gal because I thought she was too good to be true, that she had to be running some kind of game but because at this point in my life, I was secure enough to think I was worthy of a woman like her, I was open to the fact that maybe, maybe she was not running a game. I almost blew it with the best woman I ever met because of my insecurity. That is what I am afraid of with you. When a hottie really is crazy about you, you think she has to be running a game.

But who knows? Maybe you need a 2 year journey to deal with your insecurities too. Maybe she is not the right one, but if you do break it off with her, just make sure it is not because of your petty insecurities. That is the part you will regret the most.

LuvMexicanas
12-19-21, 16:01
You don't speak Spanish. You know Jack shit about Mexico or Mexicans. Ever hear the expression: one born every minute. Ever think it might apply to you?

Go watch Born on the Fourth of July, the Mexican hooker scenes in particular. Mexico is the land of machism and you imagine made Mexicans treat a Tijuana hooker like the Virgin of Guadalupe. Estas pero si bien pendejo.This is exactly right, especially the final sentence.

DramaFree11
12-19-21, 16:28
The writings on the wall for you KB. I have told you this before but you should break up with this girl. Everyone else I'm sure agrees. At this point I don't think you are going to listen to reason. If any relationship caused me this much drama I would have walked away, especially one that's a few months old. Cut your losses and move on. A blind man could see this is a bad situation. I was really rooting for you too but just being purely objective here. Theres new girls at the bars everyday. I'm sure you can find one that doesn't cause this much headache, or better yet a non working girl. If you're posting this for us to give you advice guidance than this is it. Break it off. This relationship is bad for your health and wallet. But I don't think you are going to listen.Yep, he should have done this months ago.

LuvMexicanas
12-19-21, 16:49
You seem to be a Drama Freak11 in many threads all over this board.Exactly SMD. The clown is like a seagull. Drops in (Dramaqueef hasn't been in Tijuana for years), craps in the various threads and flies away. He's a joke just like the MDE poster that Blackthought previously mentioned. The worst part is he'll never man up and own the fact that he lied about being in Tijuana 20-30 times last year. I can already tell you his response: he gets all the girls and I get none. He'll also say he's living the dream and that it's just jealousy, which is pretty much what he says to anyone who calls out his lies. Finally, he'll mention how much fun he's having somewhere in Mexico and that he's killing it, but of course it won't be anywhere in or near Tijuana.

DramaFree11
12-19-21, 17:40
Okay, KB, other guys are telling you to break up with her, but part of the reason you are with her is that you have great chemistry and great sex. That is rare. Guys say someone is tried of fucking anyone even the greatest beauties but if you break up with her, you will see that sex with other women will not compare.

I dated and got engaged to a Venezuelan girl who was cute but when she took off her clothes, she may have had the best figure I have ever seen. Her ass was a work of art. So we broke it off, and the reason was the same as yours. She was hanging out with men looking to make more money. She was actually looking at trading more than selling her body, but it was kind of the same thing, inappropriate conversations and behaviors, and I cut her off and blasted her behavior. After I did that, she broke it off with me.

I was going to fly and meet her to try to win her back and could not do it. I wound up in Colombia versus where she lived in Peru. I was determined to find someone as hot as her, and no one I found could match her. Finally, a year later I bedded a Venezuelan in Mexico who was more than her equal looks wise and in bed, but I felt like she was an out and out ho. I used seeking.com and bedded even more beauties but there was always something off: too greedy, too stupid, too crass. Finally, after 2 years of looking, I found someone better in bed, more striking, and way nicer. The hardest part to get was that my Venezuelan gal really loved me. The sex was easily replaced, the looks, compatibility, and intelligence were harder still, but the hardest was the love, real love that is not faked...Elvis you are correct in many of your points, but is time for these 2 to break up and deal with there jealousy and other issues.

DramaFree11
12-19-21, 17:59
L. Mudd you have all my contact information, but you leave that out of your reports. I am waiting for you in M. City. You keep spreading your crazy lies. You never say anything nice about anybody, you just complain, you are very rarely with a girl. Hopefully one day Admin will suspended you.

Member #4730
12-19-21, 18:01
Not sure if any of this has helped. I do feel bad that the only people you can talk to about this are guys on this board, I was lucky to have a group of friends in Tijuana that were all in a similar situation to relate to and learn from.

One last thing if you really love her and want this to work I would think of surprising her and showing up for Christmas.

Good luck.I do have my suspicions regarding the aunt, but she tells me that her aunt is the one that said to do what makes her happy. Also that she should pursue the relationship even though her 10 year marriage ended. She did have previous relationships back home and they involved the boyfriend cheating on her and she found out through the guys mother. She does want to get a visa so she can go on a cruise to Alaska with me later next year and even hinted at trying to start a nail and hair business.

The boyfriend back home would have to be a secret from the family as they seem to like me. I'm sure they would let me know if she was running game on me, especially the mother. Supposedly only 3 other guys have met her family. I work remotely and can pretty much set my schedule so we spend our times cooking, watching movies, going to movies, restaurants, etc. I'd definitely consider a prenup as the age gap marriages have high failure rate statistically. She did mention kids, but maybe in 5-8 years and I told her it isn't in my near term plans.

Like you mentioned, she did discuss the not meeting my family and friends last week and I'm not quite sure I want them to meet her just yet as the relationship has been strange to say the least. She has been great minus the trying to setup dates behind my back. I have my own family I want to spend Christmas with and I told her New Years is the best I can do. She mentioned her cousins asked if I was going to visit for Christmas and I told her I'll try to see her hometown next year. Also don't feel bad discussing this with other bros on the board as my friends are married and not sure they would understand this situation or probably tell me I'm crazy hehe.

LuvMexicanas
12-19-21, 18:16
L. Mudd you have all my contact information, but you leave that out of your reports. I am waiting for you in M. City. You keep spreading your crazy lies. You never say anything nice about anybody, you just complain, you are very rarely with a girl. Hopefully one day Admin will suspended you.Why do you keep mentioning Mexico City? What the fuck is wrong with you? We're talking about Tijuana. I am rarely with a girl? The photo gallery contradicts your lying ass. You are a joke.

LuvMexicanas
12-19-21, 18:18
Exactly SMD. The clown is like a seagull. Drops in (Dramaqueef hasn't been in Tijuana for years), craps in the various threads and flies away. He's a joke just like the MDE poster that Blackthought previously mentioned. The worst part is he'll never man up and own the fact that he lied about being in Tijuana 20-30 times last year. I can already tell you his response: he gets all the girls and I get none. He'll also say he's living the dream and that it's just jealousy, which is pretty much what he says to anyone who calls out his lies. Finally, he'll mention how much fun he's having somewhere in Mexico and that he's killing it, but of course it won't be anywhere in or near Tijuana.Yep, Dramaqueef checked every box on my prediction of how his response would go.

Member #4730
12-19-21, 18:26
Okay, KB, other guys are telling you to break up with her, but part of the reason you are with her is that you have great chemistry and great sex. That is rare. Guys say someone is tried of fucking anyone even the greatest beauties but if you break up with her, you will see that sex with other women will not compare.

I know how you are. You have the money but you do not want to feel cheated. Again, that is a john mentality. If she is your woman, you want her to feel loved and cared for. All the guys calling you a sucker do not get it. When you spend money on the right woman, it is really not a cost but an investment that will pay you much more back.

But I will be honest that is not the problem. The problem is your insecurity, You are thinking you are not good enough. Why else would you go through her phone or cut her off or be making the comments about your ages? You do not have have the mind set that you are the best thing could have happened to her. Sure, in my case, the Venezuelan found another guy but she went through two years of hell before then, and something is still off with her.

What that 2 year period really was for me was a journey getting rid of my insecurities. I think the interesting thing was time and again I learned how getting a beautiful woman was nothing especially in the Latin world and how many were dead ass broke.

I have a stunning female friend who married and divorced a famous rock star. She showed me how many of her friends were so broke. I said she could go into any club and bang any rich guy. She said she could, but that rich guys were assholes and while they would fuck her that they would never introduce her to their parents. She banged athletes and found they were egotistical and lousy in bed, and I heard the same story from so many like her. I had so many hooker types tell me I was good in bed, and I just thought they were lying. Now I wondered, were they really?

You think your gal has so many options and she does but so many of them are terrible, unknown, and unsafe. In that two year period, I had three women say they loved me and showed me they did. The best one was the last one. She was more cute than hot but outside of that, she really had it all. When she told me I was the best lover she ever had, I actually believed her. A friend of hers made a comment on the 30 year difference in our ages. I told her if that was going to be a problem for her, I would find a woman where that was not a problem. She said in a scared voice it was not, and I never heard about the age thing again. Still, something was not right. I felt like there was still better out there.

I almost lost out on my current gal because I thought she was too good to be true, that she had to be running some kind of game but because at this point in my life, I was secure enough to think I was worthy of a woman like her, I was open to the fact that maybe, maybe she was not running a game. I almost blew it with the best woman I ever met because of my insecurity. That is what I am afraid of with you. When a hottie really is crazy about you, you think she has to be running a game.

But who knows? Maybe you need a 2 year journey to deal with your insecurities too. Maybe she is not the right one, but if you do break it off with her, just make sure it is not because of your petty insecurities. That is the part you will regret the most.Thanks for sharing your experiences and she just does it for me. She is trying to compromise and deleted her business account and changing her number. I told her she doesn't have to do it if she doesn't want to, but she suggested it as an option to try to make things work. Also dating a sex worker or ex sex worker comes with their own set of challenges and she seems genuine as she should have walked out numerous times dealing with my insecurities and cutting support. I just feel either way if this relationship works or doesn't, I've come away from the experience with a better mindset and strangely turned me off from mongering.

I've been back to HK multiple times with no intentions of getting laid and I have no interest, as she rocked my world in the club. Like you've mentioned, it will be difficult to replicate with another. I've come to realize how blessed I am and how good of a place I am in life. It is sad that I had to go through all of this to find peace with myself. I even told her that I'm content and happy with everything in my life either with or without her. My issues may have seemed plentiful in a first world country, but pale in comparison to third world issues. I have a roof over my head, don't miss meals, and healthy.

I have no right to judge her for being a sex worker as I am complicit in my actions and she is just trying to survive and ensure her family is able to keep head above water. She took them on their first family vacation out of her hometown to Puerto Vallarta, got them a car so they could transport her abuela in case of emergency, trying to tile the barren floor in their home, add a new room for her little brother as she has to share a bedroom with him since home is small, renovate the kitchen without cabinet doors, and list goes on. She has good intentions and just trying to do the best she can with the limited resources. I could only imagine her life if she didn't have an abortion at 17 after being raped by her boyfriend. Most of her amigas have children with absent fathers and limited options to ensure their children are taken care of. Fucked up situation all around, but maybe I needed this to open my eyes.

LuvMexicanas
12-19-21, 18:32
L. Mudd you have all my contact information, but you leave that out of your reports. I am waiting for you in M. City. You keep spreading your crazy lies. You never say anything nice about anybody, you just complain, you are very rarely with a girl. Hopefully one day Admin will suspended you.Suspend me for what? That I post about my Tijuana trips and photos that I myself took. When was your last trip to Tijuana? Post a link to that trip. And I'll say again that I've forgotten more about CDMX than you know, but I'll stop talking about it because this isn't a CDMX thread. It's a Tijuana thread you imbecile.

Member #4730
12-19-21, 18:38
The writings on the wall for you KB. I have told you this before but you should break up with this girl. Everyone else I'm sure agrees. At this point I don't think you are going to listen to reason. If any relationship caused me this much drama I would have walked away, especially one that's a few months old. Cut your losses and move on. A blind man could see this is a bad situation. I was really rooting for you too but just being purely objective here. Theres new girls at the bars everyday. I'm sure you can find one that doesn't cause this much headache, or better yet a non working girl. If you're posting this for us to give you advice guidance than this is it. Break it off. This relationship is bad for your health and wallet. But I don't think you are going to listen.I feel you and understand the advice. I'm going to try to make it work. If it fails, then at least I tried and the worst that can happen is that it turned me off from mongering. I've come to the realization there are some great people in this world that you can connect with, just have to get time to meet them.

Member #4730
12-19-21, 18:42
I highly doubt a chica making $500/ night at HK club would be fine with $600/ month, that's absurd. I agree with drama, $500/ night *260 work days = $130 k. Why would she settle with a man twice her age for $7,200/ year. Based on what I've seen at the club, most guys are not taking the girls for arriba.When I did bring up that the relationship is about the money, then she mentioned that she would still be working if that were the case and not living with me. She only worked 4 days a week since she has school. She seems to have clientele that like TLN, trips, etc. I told her she makes more than me since my income is taxed and hers is tax free. Who knows, maybe if this doesn't work out, then she'll be back working towards her goals.

Ctytek
12-19-21, 18:51
I feel you and understand the advice. I'm going to try to make it work. If it fails, then at least I tried and the worst that can happen is that it turned me off from mongering. I've come to the realization there are some great people in this world that you can connect with, just have to get time to meet them.LOL, you just don't listen. There is a classic lyric from Dr. Dre "you can't make a hoe a housewife." As true now as it is ever. And yet there are endless suckers who try.

PedroMorales
12-19-21, 19:08
Estado de México, the state of Mexico, surrounds the city of Mexico. It is Wild West on steroids terrain. Once we had a güero (what American retards call gringos), who was mad on pussy because he had never had any before meeting a few ladies who'd ridden all of Mexico. We had to saddle up our horses, keep our sawn offs at the ready and go in and extricate him. There are places in the City of Mexico where even the toughest natives do not venture; it is just too fucking dangerous, like right up there with the places PJ O'Rourke wrote about in Holidays in Hell. Edomex is much much worse. These are seriously dangerous places where the Crips and the Bloods would not last seconds.

These are the spawning grounds of Tijuana hookers, the sewer pits life began for them and fed their veins.

The troll in chief bangs on about some hooker he fell in love with and wonders why la puta is not La Virgen de Guadalupe. His only reference is some Soi 6 Pattaya hooker who opened her legs for him some time ago. The Virgin of Guadalupe is ensconced in a cathedral. You are whisked by her, before getting on with your life and leaving the Virgin to forget you and your pathetic donation. The Tijuana virgins (ha ha) are a different breed. They too have their Pretty Woman dreams, that some loser will rescue them from their high paying jobs and get them a visa to güero land and a minimum wage job working nights in Taco Bells. They spend what little of their money their pimps and relatives do not fleece from them on knock off bags and the other shit hookers buy to raise their esteem. Though their dreams remain, they are just that, dreams, the same sort of dreams all other losers have.

BlackThought
12-19-21, 19:17
I know how you are. You have the money but you do not want to feel cheated. Again, that is a john mentality. If she is your woman, you want her to feel loved and cared for. All the guys calling you a sucker do not get it. When you spend money on the right woman, it is really not a cost but an investment that will pay you much more back.Investing in a relationship with a puta is like investing in penny stocks over blue chips. Pump and dump then move onto the next.

BlackThought
12-19-21, 19:35
I feel you and understand the advice. I'm going to try to make it work. If it fails, then at least I tried and the worst that can happen is that it turned me off from mongering. I've come to the realization there are some great people in this world that you can connect with, just have to get time to meet them.This hobby is fun and expensive, if she can turn you off from mongering, I guess you'll save a lot of money in the long term.

I avoid chatting with working girls on WhatsApp and keep the arrangements strictly transactional to avoid situations like yours. Sometimes the chemistry is so strong it begins putting fantasies into your head. It's happened to me on more than one occasion, but I've been able to snap out of it. It's always been the Latinas for me, in Germany the girls are rather cold and don't really provide GFE, so never had any issue there.

ScatManDoo
12-19-21, 19:48
The boyfriend back home would have to be a secret from the family as they seem to like me. I'm sure they would let me know if she was running game on me, especially the mother.I am sure she is loyal to you and not the beggar she's been feeding for decades.

LuvMexicanas
12-19-21, 20:36
Investing in a relationship with a puta is like investing in penny stocks over blue chips. Pump and dump then move onto the next.This truth is something simps will never understand.

Sol12
12-19-21, 21:08
I do have my suspicions regarding the aunt, but she tells me that her aunt is the one that said to do what makes her happy. Also that she should pursue the relationship even though her 10 year marriage ended. She did have previous relationships back home and they involved the boyfriend cheating on her and she found out through the guys mother. She does want to get a visa so she can go on a cruise to Alaska with me later next year and even hinted at trying to start a nail and hair business.

The boyfriend back home would have to be a secret from the family as they seem to like me. I'm sure they would let me know if she was running game on me, especially the mother. Supposedly only 3 other guys have met her family. I work remotely and can pretty much set my schedule so we spend our times cooking, watching movies, going to movies, restaurants, etc. I'd definitely consider a prenup as the age gap marriages have high failure rate statistically. She did mention kids, but maybe in 5-8 years and I told her it isn't in my near term plans.

Like you mentioned, she did discuss the not meeting my family and friends last week and I'm not quite sure I want them to meet her just yet as the relationship has been strange to say the least. She has been great minus the trying to setup dates behind my back. I have my own family I want to spend Christmas with and I told her New Years is the best I can do. She mentioned her cousins asked if I was going to visit for Christmas and I told her I'll try to see her hometown next year. Also don't feel bad discussing this with other bros on the board as my friends are married and not sure they would understand this situation or probably tell me I'm crazy hehe.Well if the family is poor and believes that you are the one providing for them of course they are going to like you over some boyfriend that does nothing for them. So she could be hiding him from them but who knows. So the family has met other guys. We're they previous clients like you as well? At her age it seems like she doesn't have long lasting relationships for some reason. Not sure what she told you happened with these previous relationships and why they ended. Also I'm another post you mentioned her getting an abortion which you never mentioned before. I'm not sure I believe that story but who knows.

I understand you having your own family but I figured they are older know and not the age to believe in Santa and no need for you to be around if you have moved on. I do understand the guilt you probably feel for not being with them to be with a former working girl but at some point you will have to decide who's more important to you. No matter what you do one will be jealous of the other. This has been my biggest challenge since being single again and not letting anyone come between me and that part of my life.

Glad you don't feel bad discussing it here especially with all the negativity that gets thrown at you.

Elvis 2008
12-20-21, 02:11
Elvis you are correct in many of your points, but is time for these 2 to break up and deal with there jealousy and other issues.DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.

Elvis 2008
12-20-21, 03:16
Investing in a relationship with a puta is like investing in penny stocks over blue chips. Pump and dump then move onto the next.And investing in blue chips is what in your analogy? It cannot be hos. They are a cost. So what then? Marriage? That was the biggest financial and emotional loss of my life. For every Coke stock, there has been a Kodak.

I was and have been a contrarian and made 20 X my money in a penny stock and retired for 10 years. Maybe you need to learn how to invest in penny stocks instead of making blanket statements about them and blue chips.

Do not get me wrong. If I had to bet, I would bet that KB and his gal do not work out, but that is not just what I was talking about. People could say I invested and lost in my ex-fiancé, and they would be right if you look at things just financially but the investment yielded something of even greater value, experience. That is something KB will have that most of you will not.

Right now, KB is having sex at a higher pleasure level and emotional level than most of you guys ever will. Even if it does not work out, he knows something you guys do not. What he has, a young hot thing totally in love with him, is possible. Most of you are betting against him while you all are sitting on the sidelines afraid to go for better. He knows that he can get better than just hos for cash, and he will strive for it again, and my bet is that at some point it will succeed maybe not this time, but the next time or after that.

And with investing, I did not just walk in and get a 20 bagger. I lost my ass twice and learned from the experience.

Member #4730
12-20-21, 03:21
DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.I'm still going to ride this train until the wheels fall off. I'll share my experience since it is good to get insight to what others may have experienced or thinking. It is still unreal when I wake up next to her every morning and also when she is cooking in her thong and booty shorts. We were watching Game of Thrones and she started to give me a BJ which was a surprise and another time she dressed up and gave me a dance in her lingerie. She knows how to spice things up and I wonder if my transparency and honesty are what draws her to me, but who really knows?

During a video chat yesterday her dad showed me his bayonet he got recently and I told him I have green one from Hungary. The previous boyfriends she had that met her family were Mexican boyfriends and the abortion was from first boyfriend that raped her and got her pregnant. The abortion caused complications and she had to have one ovary removed. She missed the cutoff for school transfer and if can't transfer to private university then try again after the 6 month semester if the relationship lasts that long. I am working on my insecurities and jealousy.

Ctytek
12-20-21, 03:21
I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.The only "ride" he is on is the one where the puta and her family separates him from his cash. You are a major simp if you think these 19-22 year olds develop long lasting feelings for fat middle aged gringos trawling the Tijuana alleys and night clubs.

You are just a source of cash for them, that's it. If you want a real relationship, try developing one that's not predicated with you paying for sex or supplying a steady source of easy income for them and their aunties. Talk to me when you do.

Big Magick
12-20-21, 03:39
KB you seem like a good guy and I don't want to see you or any other men go through the hell that is a bad relationship. I've seen what its done to me or other guys. Your situation is relatable. We are both mongers and gambling addicts, workaholics and honestly we are both simps. The reason I broke it off with the last bar girl was because I felt that stupid simp part of myself coming out and I ghosted her to save myself. Sure a good move for self preservation but maybe I missed out on a great girl. I recently met another bar girl and we have some dates planned. The chemistry and sex with this one is insane, I haven't experienced anything like this since my last civvie girlfriend. Only this time I'm going in it with a clear head. Maybe its all a game but time will tell. She's a damn good actress if its all fake though. Point is don't throw away what could potentially be a great thing but just be realistic with what it is. You also have to stop thinking in this messed up modern dating way where everything is a transaction. The last time you "fell in love" were you thinking like this or did you just give yourself freely? Again realistically all human relationships are based on value exchange. As we get older it does become more about money than just someone attractive and fun. I got into this lifestyle by a friend in america who dates strippers. He's actually stopped mongering and has been dating one for years now. This guy isn't anything special but what I realized is he was different from the other mongers and you are too if she's choosing to be with you. Think of the type of guy who goes to the Zona. They are young guys, guys already married, old men, low level dudes who couldn't even get a fat girl in america, rich guys who will just pump and dump her. For her to be with you this long you are obviously a better choice, probably even better than local mexicanos which guys on here say maybe she might still be dating but remember those mexicans will never have the power an american has. We also arent into machismo which they seem to like. Obviously the way you are handling this relationship isn't going the best. If you want this to work out you are going to have to change your mentality.

Member #4730
12-20-21, 04:33
KB you seem like a good guy and I don't want to see you or any other men go through the hell that is a bad relationship. I've seen what its done to me or other guys. Your situation is relatable. We are both mongers and gambling addicts, workaholics and honestly we are both simps. The reason I broke it off with the last bar girl was because I felt that stupid simp part of myself coming out and I ghosted her to save myself. Sure a good move for self preservation but maybe I missed out on a great girl. I recently met another bar girl and we have some dates planned. The chemistry and sex with this one is insane, I haven't experienced anything like this since my last civvie girlfriend. Only this time I'm going in it with a clear head. Maybe its all a game but time will tell. She's a damn good actress if its all fake though. Point is don't throw away what could potentially be a great thing but just be realistic with what it is. You also have to stop thinking in this messed up modern dating way where everything is a transaction. The last time you "fell in love" were you thinking like this or did you just give yourself freely? Again realistically all human relationships are based on value exchange. As we get older it does become more about money than just someone attractive and fun. I got into this lifestyle by a friend in america who dates strippers. He's actually stopped mongering and has been dating one for years now. This guy isn't anything special but what I realized is he was different from the other mongers and you are too if she's choosing to be with you. Think of the type of guy who goes to the Zona. They are young guys, guys already married, old men, low level dudes who couldn't even get a fat girl in america, rich guys who will just pump and dump her. For her to be with you this long you are obviously a better choice, probably even better than local mexicanos which guys on here say maybe she might still be dating but remember those mexicans will never have the power an american has. We also arent into machismo which they seem to like. Obviously the way you are handling this relationship isn't going the best. If you want this to work out you are going to have to change your mentality.Yeah, she mentioned being more chivalrous like opening doors and making her feel like a lady, but I told her I don't do that for anyone. People usually open doors for me and I'm confused why she hasn't walked from all the antics I've pulled. I met my ex and 3 months later we were married for 20 years. It is just the chemistry you feel when you're together and feel like you're going home when you're with them. Vulnerabilities are shared and accepted. I stopped gambling and mongering since being with her so I guess that is a positive. I have lost 10 pounds in past 2 months as she is trying to be healthy and doesn't want to gain weight. We do cardio training together and have similar life goals. My weekly food budget is probably her families monthly budget. I've learned to eat more potatoes and vegetables with her since she cooks with more budget friendly ingredients.

The hard thing with people is reading them and knowing their true intentions. The more time you spend and get to know each other, then the more you'll know if she is the one for you. Crazy that mongering was so much easier when I was married.

DramaFree11
12-20-21, 04:37
DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.Yep, there some guys that hate everybody and are actively rooting for guys to fail. I guess this from there own insecurities and jealousy. I want everyone to succeed. I am very critical of Kiev and Colombia, but I always try to give destinations that I feel are way better. I also give trip reports, so hopefully some can learn from my success and failures. When we met we had a great conversation, we did not agree on everything, but that is okay and that is how you learn new things.

I can careless if guys go there, and I want them to have fun, and go with the proper expectations.

BlackThought
12-20-21, 05:06
Glad you don't feel bad discussing it here especially with all the negativity that gets thrown at you.He's definitely handling the negative feedback like a champ. Hope he wakes up and sees her for what she really is: a puta.

BlackThought
12-20-21, 05:09
DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.I think he first needs to sort out his insecurities before he pursues a relationship. Pursuing a relationship with a puta is playing with fire, they're more often than not damaged goods. Going through your partner's phone is a red flag.

Big Magick
12-20-21, 11:38
Yeah, she mentioned being more chivalrous like opening doors and making her feel like a lady, but I told her I don't do that for anyone. People usually open doors for me and I'm confused why she hasn't walked from all the antics I've pulled. I met my ex and 3 months later we were married for 20 years. It is just the chemistry you feel when you're together and feel like you're going home when you're with them. Vulnerabilities are shared and accepted. I stopped gambling and mongering since being with her so I guess that is a positive. I have lost 10 pounds in past 2 months as she is trying to be healthy and doesn't want to gain weight. We do cardio training together and have similar life goals. My weekly food budget is probably her families monthly budget. I've learned to eat more potatoes and vegetables with her since she cooks with more budget friendly ingredients.

The hard thing with people is reading them and knowing their true intentions. The more time you spend and get to know each other, then the more you'll know if she is the one for you. Crazy that mongering was so much easier when I was married.Thats what a good women does, she makes you better. It sounds like you need to learn some Spanish. It would make things more intimate and over all smoother. The girls love that I speak it. When I hear a bar girl speak English its a huge turn on. Instead of watching netflix with her so much try some Spanish lessons. Spanish is similar to English. You should be able to pick it up fast. You have a native speaker at your disposal.

PedroMorales
12-20-21, 18:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JttwV6XZ_I&ab_channel=JCS-CriminalPsychology

He hired hooker Dalia Dippolito, married her and she then set him up for a hit. Dali is now doing 16 years, due for release in 2031. Dalia is quite tall. Here are her details. She needs a pen pal. It is funny when karma strikes http://www.dc.state.fl.us/offenderSearch/detail.aspx?Page=Detail&DCNumber=W42222&TypeSearch=AI.

LuvMexicanas
12-20-21, 20:04
The only "ride" he is on is the one where the puta and her family separates him from his cash. You are a major simp if you think these 19-22 year olds develop long lasting feelings for fat middle aged gringos trawling the Tijuana alleys and night clubs.

You are just a source of cash for them, that's it. If you want a real relationship, try developing one that's not predicated with you paying for sex or supplying a steady source of easy income for them and their aunties. Talk to me when you do.I won't assume motives or intentions because I don't know what's going through her head or KB's mind. Having said that, is this the right place for the inner workings of relationships? I think not because this is a Tijuana monger board, not Tijuana relationships board.

ScottHall
12-20-21, 20:08
DF, he is going to ride out no matter what anyone here says. Yeah, it is probably not going to work but most relationships do not work out. The key is to stick the landing and not be angry about it not working out but be grateful for the experience. If I had not gone through the pain of my engagement, I would have missed out on my dream girl.

I see guys here lining up against this relationship, wanting to say they are right if / when the breakup happens, and saying "I told you so", but the truth is he is on a ride here few guys know. How many guys here really have had a 9 or 10 fall for them? They are so damned cynical and afraid of being hurt that they do not believe it can happen.It's not a real girlfriend or relationship if he's paying her. This guy isn't the only one getting good lays in Tijuana. We're all living out our greatest fantasies but most can realize it's not reality and move on. It's an act and these girls are pros at it. A real relationship has nothing to do with money.

Sol12
12-20-21, 21:41
He's definitely handling the negative feedback like a champ. Hope he wakes up and sees her for what she really is: a puta.Yeah he's been a gentleman to many that don't deserve it especially those that obviously haven't read his whole story and only comment on one post.

Yes she worked as a puta but as I've said many times not all are the same. Many like being putas and act that way, that doesn't interest me. Others get into I for what ever reason but soon look for a way out, many just want a simple life the problem is that guys don't look for those girls because they are your more average looking girls. The thing that turns me off with KBs girl is her still being very interested in smoking weed and drinking. I'm sure it's her age but if he's not into it and she just goes out with friends she will probably hook up with other guys until she gets caught. After all we all do dumb stuff when we are drunk or high. So we shall see if she's just trying to have her cake and eat it to.

DramaFree11
12-20-21, 22:08
I think he first needs to sort out his insecurities before he pursues a relationship. Pursuing a relationship with a puta is playing with fire, they're more often than not damaged goods. Going through your partner's phone is a red flag.Exactly! They both need professional help.

Elvis 2008
12-21-21, 00:12
It's not a real girlfriend or relationship if he's paying her. A real relationship has nothing to do with money.Then I do not know anyone with a real relationship because all the relationships I know of the guy is the provider.


This guy isn't the only one getting good lays in Tijuana. We're all living out our greatest fantasies but most can realize it's not reality and move on. It's an act and these girls are pros at it.Sorry to burst your bubble, Scott, but I have had the kind of sex you are having and the kind KB is having, and the kind KB has blows yours away.

And all the guys saying the women just want your money do not get women at all. Men crave money above all else, but women crave safety and security most.

KB's gal was raped by a Mexican guy. My gal breaks into tears when she talks about the father of her daughter. Just thinking about a Latin guy throws these women into PTSD, and there is a lot of abuse and rape and guys getting away with it in the Latin culture. These women want different, and they want safe.

I have heard it all before. The women want hunky, young Latin guys and everyone who thinks differently is a sucker. Sorry, dude, that is not what I saw.

RikyMichaels7
12-21-21, 01:29
Then I do not know anyone with a real relationship because all the relationships I know of the guy is the provider.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Scott, but I have had the kind of sex you are having and the kind KB is having, and the kind KB has blows yours away.

And all the guys saying the women just want your money do not get women at all. Men crave money above all else, but women crave safety and security most.

KB's gal was raped by a Mexican guy. My gal breaks into tears when she talks about the father of her daughter. Just thinking about a Latin guy throws these women into PTSD, and there is a lot of abuse and rape and guys getting away with it in the Latin culture. These women want different, and they want safe.

I have heard it all before. The women want hunky, young Latin guys and everyone who thinks differently is a sucker. Sorry, dude, that is not what I saw.Your comment about guys saying these women just want your money and that we don't get women is completely off base when it comes to these working women in Tijuana. Nine of of ten posters here will tell you this, and they have posted numerous stories that illustrate this. Sure, there are a handful of them that do want safety and security over money, but we all know these are few and far between. Now Kool Beans seems like a great guy and I would love to see his relationship with this girl work. However, there are a couple of red flags that he needs to consider. First of all, paying for her rent and other items in exchange for her not working in the bars is an admirable idea. I can't, however, see myself doing this for a girl that is also texting and arranging dates and claims she doesn't go through with them. This while I am supporting her living conditions. Another red flag to me is the piece about her making $500.00 a day working in Hong Kong, yet she is willing to accept the paltry (which it isn't) amount of money KB is giving her monthly. In my personal experience, using the amount of money she was making is an attempt at raising the bar in line with the negotiation the two have entered into where he will support her in lieu of her working. Part of the bargaining chip process. What will probably happen as time goes on is that the money given to her by KB will never be enough, nor will it compare to what she was making, which will lead to needing more. Been there done that. Listen to the experiences of posters here.

Member #4730
12-21-21, 02:44
Your comment about guys saying these women just want your money and that we don't get women is completely off base when it comes to these working women in Tijuana. Nine of of ten posters here will tell you this, and they have posted numerous stories that illustrate this. Sure, there are a handful of them that do want safety and security over money, but we all know these are few and far between. Now Kool Beans seems like a great guy and I would love to see his relationship with this girl work. However, there are a couple of red flags that he needs to consider. First of all, paying for her rent and other items in exchange for her not working in the bars is an admirable idea. I can't, however, see myself doing this for a girl that is also texting and arranging dates and claims she doesn't go through with them. This while I am supporting her living conditions. Another red flag to me is the piece about her making $500.00 a day working in Hong Kong, yet she is willing to accept the paltry (which it isn't) amount of money KB is giving her monthly. In my personal experience, using the amount of money she was making is an attempt at raising the bar in line with the negotiation the two have entered into where he will support her in lieu of her working. Part of the bargaining chip process. What will probably happen as time goes on is that the money given to her by KB will never be enough, nor will it compare to what she was making, which will lead to needing more. Been there done that. Listen to the experiences of posters here.Thanks for more insight, but have to clarify. At the beginning she wanted stability and I did not offer it since I always had one foot out the door due to not wanting to be played and threatening to leave. It put her in between a rock and hard place since I said numerous times that a "normal" relationship doesn't involve me providing monetary support, which they still have monetary obligations to cover. She was fine with it and wanted to stay. I eventually just said Id give her $600 per month and I am going to try to make it work. We never get the full picture of someone until the relationship travels further down the road. She told me about her promise to her family to fix up their home, but she decided to pursue the relationship for her happiness and sanity.

She always had the option to leave for "better opportunities" and I've mentioned her age and earning potential is at their prime, which is kind of fucked up for me to suggest. It is a fine line between trying to be in a relationship and prying too much into past or preferences. I don't judge and I accept what I and she has done. I've told her she shouldn't be ashamed of her past or what she did for a living to survive since we all have different paths in life.

I'll keep everyone updated after the New Year's Eve trip. It could be an epic shit show or we could continue the relationship and figure out if she is able to transfer schools. I understand some don't want to discuss relationships on this forum, but it is good insight from other bros that have been down this path. When I met her she was on the top of my experiences from all over the world and the connection was unreal. I think that is the part of the reason I don't seek action in HK as she ruined it for me as it was epic every time we met. I was oblivious and thought she was this wonderful to everyone, but who knows she might have been. We would do multiple TLNs and she never asked me for money and said compensation is up to me. I just gave what I thought was reasonable. Most of the regulars tell me whatever I can help with and could range from $100-$400 depending on length of trip.

I wouldn't suggest trying to pursue a relationship with a sex worker, and I certainly didn't expect it. Everything could have been fine as an arrangement, but then she started involving me with her friends, family, and cousins. It has been eye opening experience that has helped me reflect on what I want at this stage in life and tolerance level. I think they value being genuine and honest compared to the many people they meet. She always asks if I miss the club and I say no, which is honest, but I do miss watching the shows.

At first she thought I was married and didn't want to disrupt me, but we've taken numerous trips all over Mexico and it has been a great experience the last 6 months of this year. Prior to going to Tijuana, it felt like ground hogs day everyday where I'd wake up, work from home, workout, and sleep. The trips with the chicas has been fun and good value compared to SoCal providers and I wouldn't change a thing.

Hope you guys have a great holiday season with your loved ones and if you're heading to any monger destinations, then have fun as well and stay safe.

Member #4730
12-21-21, 03:01
Then I do not know anyone with a real relationship because all the relationships I know of the guy is the provider.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Scott, but I have had the kind of sex you are having and the kind KB is having, and the kind KB has blows yours away.

And all the guys saying the women just want your money do not get women at all. Men crave money above all else, but women crave safety and security most.

KB's gal was raped by a Mexican guy. My gal breaks into tears when she talks about the father of her daughter. Just thinking about a Latin guy throws these women into PTSD, and there is a lot of abuse and rape and guys getting away with it in the Latin culture. These women want different, and they want safe.

I have heard it all before. The women want hunky, young Latin guys and everyone who thinks differently is a sucker. Sorry, dude, that is not what I saw.You are spot on that she told me at the beginning she wanted stability, but I always threatened to leave and the first time was on the Cancun trip where I said a "normal" relationship doesn't involve monetary support. If they are not getting the money from you for their obligations, then they will find a way, even if it means being deceptive. I've asked her numerous times if this relationship is what she really wants at this stage in her life or if continuing to make money to pursue the purchase of rental properties and fix her parents home are what she needs to do. She always says she wants to continue the relationship. As you've elaborated, she was unreal chemistry when we met and confirmed her fetish for my type since reading her texts to other people.

She knows I am a violent man, prior service, but those experiences have helped mold me to have more empathy and understanding for people. She likes I can communicate my feelings and follow through with my actions. The way that she takes care of me would be hard to fake as my ex-wife wouldn't cook every meal and clean the house. I am surprised my ex-wife dealt with 20 years of my shit and psychological shit tests I put her through at the beginning of the relationship.

Dickus Maximus
12-21-21, 03:24
Then I do not know anyone with a real relationship because all the relationships I know of the guy is the provider.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Scott, but I have had the kind of sex you are having and the kind KB is having, and the kind KB has blows yours away.
Absolutely. All my SB relationships have been better than any experience in HK.

Big Magick
12-21-21, 06:22
Then I do not know anyone with a real relationship because all the relationships I know of the guy is the provider.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Scott, but I have had the kind of sex you are having and the kind KB is having, and the kind KB has blows yours away.

And all the guys saying the women just want your money do not get women at all. Men crave money above all else, but women crave safety and security most.

KB's gal was raped by a Mexican guy. My gal breaks into tears when she talks about the father of her daughter. Just thinking about a Latin guy throws these women into PTSD, and there is a lot of abuse and rape and guys getting away with it in the Latin culture. These women want different, and they want safe.

I have heard it all before. The women want hunky, young Latin guys and everyone who thinks differently is a sucker. Sorry, dude, that is not what I saw.Elvis is 100% right. Money is always a factor unless you both are teenagers then might be the one exception. I have seen the boyfriends / husbands of some of these pretty bar girls and they are ugly. Women like men for other reasons. Elvis is also right about the sex. I thought I was having good GFE sex at Hong Kong till I started to go out with them and I really felt the passion. Nothing compares to when someone really wants to have sex with you, the difference is obvious and this girl has ruined mongering for me. The standard robotic lays at HK were barely satisfying before her.

PedroMorales
12-21-21, 10:15
She knows I am a violent man, prior service, but those experiences have helped mold me to have more empathy and understanding for people. She likes I can communicate my feelings and follow through with my actions. The way that she takes care of me would be hard to fake as my ex-wife wouldn't cook every meal and clean the house. I am surprised my ex-wife dealt with 20 years of my shit and psychological shit tests I put her through at the beginning of the relationship.We are also surprised your ex-wife put up with your narcissistic shit for 20 years and did not get a hit man to pop you. Either shit or get off the pot. Make an honest woman of her (ha ha) or give her details out so other Romeos can bang her fore and aft. And get into therapy.

ScottHall
12-21-21, 14:53
Then I do not know anyone with a real relationship because all the relationships I know of the guy is the provider.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Scott, but I have had the kind of sex you are having and the kind KB is having, and the kind KB has blows yours away.

And all the guys saying the women just want your money do not get women at all. Men crave money above all else, but women crave safety and security most.

KB's gal was raped by a Mexican guy. My gal breaks into tears when she talks about the father of her daughter. Just thinking about a Latin guy throws these women into PTSD, and there is a lot of abuse and rape and guys getting away with it in the Latin culture. These women want different, and they want safe.

I have heard it all before. The women want hunky, young Latin guys and everyone who thinks differently is a sucker. Sorry, dude, that is not what I saw.How on Earth do you know what kind of sex another person is having? That's such a weird thing to say. I don't really agree with anything you're saying so we'll just agree to disagree.