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Boogie Dabs
06-16-19, 07:28
Looks like I have my first trip to Tijuana planned, I'm super excited. End of July, staying 3 nights at Cascadas. Mon, Tues, Weds.
Big thanks to all of you who post reviews and your experience, I feel I have learned a lot reading the past reports and I can't wait to use some of the advice I've read here. I'll definitely be grabbing a VIP pass, check out the girls at CC, Adelitas, Chavelas, Tropical and try for $60 there, $80 or below in HK. Grab some corner tacos, get a few SG during the day, really just have a fun time. My Spanish is not that great, but I feel that knowing some is better than nothing so we'll see what happens. I do have a couple questions that I haven't come across in the threads though.
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?
3. Do they ID people in bars?
OrganicAlo
06-16-19, 18:04
Looks like I have my first trip to Tijuana planned, I'm super excited. End of July, staying 3 nights at Cascadas. Mon, Tues, Weds.
Big thanks to all of you who post reviews and your experience, I feel I have learned a lot reading the past reports and I can't wait to use some of the advice I've read here. I'll definitely be grabbing a VIP pass, check out the girls at CC, Adelitas, Chavelas, Tropical and try for $60 there, $80 or below in HK. Grab some corner tacos, get a few SG during the day, really just have a fun time. My Spanish is not that great, but I feel that knowing some is better than nothing so we'll see what happens. I do have a couple questions that I haven't come across in the threads though.
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?
3. Do they ID people in bars?1. Wouldn't know, never tried.
2. Front desk.
3. No, but my buddy got ID'ed once cause he looks pretty young.
KC Questor
06-16-19, 19:37
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.It's not an exact science and your experience may vary. I'd recommend starting with a smaller dose and seeing what it's like. The biggest problem is a possible difficulty in cumming. You may be rock hard but can't get off -- nice if you are with a girlfriend and want to rock her world, but you don't want to be pounding away when time runs out and still no pop. On the other hand, if you are a bit quick on the draw, they can help you delay cumming. If you've never needed them and don't have any problems, you may want to hold off. Towards the end of your stay after fucking 3+ times per day for a few days you may need the help.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?I bring my own lube from home. Just ordinary water-based lube from CVS. Silicone-based lube is slipperier and doesn't dry out, but it is harder to clean up and I'm not running marathon fucking sessions so the water-based lube is fine.
3. Do they ID people in bars?I've never been IDed but I'm 50 so it's not an issue for me. I can't imagine them being very strict, as the drinking age is 18. Unless you look really young I don't think it would be an issue.
Looks like I have my first trip to Tijuana planned, I'm super excited. End of July, staying 3 nights at Cascadas. Mon, Tues, Weds.
Big thanks to all of you who post reviews and your experience, I feel I have learned a lot reading the past reports and I can't wait to use some of the advice I've read here. I'll definitely be grabbing a VIP pass, check out the girls at CC, Adelitas, Chavelas, Tropical and try for $60 there, $80 or below in HK. Grab some corner tacos, get a few SG during the day, really just have a fun time. My Spanish is not that great, but I feel that knowing some is better than nothing so we'll see what happens. I do have a couple questions that I haven't come across in the threads though.
1. What's it like taking sidenafil / Cialis / fisal (I've never needed to take them but if they're cheap and if I can't get little' Jimmy up I'm not against trying them.
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?
3. Do they ID people in bars?I never need sidenafil, but I like taking it when I'm walking through HK and the girls I sit a buy drinks for, will grab my rock hard jimmy and rub and tug for a bit.
I usually stop at Piri Pharmacy and get a 5 pack of Figral for $3.25. This is for 100 MG, but I usually take half of a pill and that works all night. The pharmacy is right across the wax museum. Ask for Julian, he runs s the place.
ScatManDoo
06-16-19, 20:59
2. What kind of lube do you guy's use? The one from the front counter or a bottle from a corner store?I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart. In those stores it costs around $5 for the small 2.5 oz bottle or around $8 for the big bottle (twice as large). It is water-based, so it cleans up easy. I bring extra bottles to Tijuana because a few of my regulars ask to keep the bottles.
Walmart sells a generic version for less, but it is not as good.
The desk clerk upstairs in Hotel Coahuila (above Adelitas) is the only place in LZ I know of that sells Astroglide, but he charges $10 for the small bottle.
ScatManDoo
06-17-19, 01:17
I never need sidenafil, but I like taking it when I'm walking through HK and the girls I sit a buy drinks for, will grab my rock hard jimmy and rub and tug for a bit.
I usually stop at Piri Pharmacy and get a 5 pack of Figral for $3.25. This is for 100 MG, but I usually take half of a pill and that works all night. The pharmacy is right across the wax museum. Ask for Julian, he runs s the place.At age 61 Figral helps a lot. At Piri, in January, I think I paid 112 pesos for 10 of the 100 MG pills.
To BoogieDabs: The three major erectile dysfunction drugs are Viagra, Cialis & Levitra. Figral is generic Viagra, & also called Sildenafil, which is the active ingredient.
You can confirm this by looking at their boxes or websites, but I think Viagra lasts up to six hours, while Cialis & Levitra (in 20 MG top doses) last close to a day.
For me, Viagra worked the best and Cialis the worst, but it's different for different people. I agree with the suggestion that you might start with a dose of Viagra / Figral that is much smaller than its 100 MG top dose.
You can also try Maxifort. Start with 50 MG. Sometimes they'll give you a better deal on the 100 MG though. I just cut them in half.
Per a previous discussion on the forum, a scientific review of commercial sex lubes and coconut oil was done. Due to the chemicals used in commercial sex lubes, the infection rate of STDs was much higher since commercial lubes increased the skin porosity. Coconut oil, on the hand, reduced STD infection rates by a factor of approximately 10 times since it destroys the outer layer of germs and viruses. The downside of coconut oil is that you cannot use latex condoms but must buy non-latex, such as SKYN brand. Liquid coconut oil is available in Walmart in a large bottle for around $6. For more info, RTFF.
I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart. In those stores it costs around $5 for the small 2.5 oz bottle or around $8 for the big bottle (twice as large). It is water-based, so it cleans up easy. I bring extra bottles to Tijuana because a few of my regulars ask to keep the bottles.
Walmart sells a generic version for less, but it is not as good.
The desk clerk upstairs in Hotel Coahuila (above Adelitas) is the only place in LZ I know of that sells Astroglide, but he charges $10 for the small bottle.
HorseTrader
06-17-19, 18:39
I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart.I agree that Astroglide is great stuff, but I've had problems with the bottles leaking while I carry them in my picked. This has happened with more than 1 bottle.
To me, KY Liquid is almost identical and I've never had a bottle leak in my pocket.
I agree that Astroglide is great stuff, but I've had problems with the bottles leaking while I carry them in my picked. This has happened with more than 1 bottle.
To me, KY Liquid is almost identical and I've never had a bottle leak in my pocket.The lube in a condom size package for $1 from the front desk is my favorite. I just cannot find them in any store to buy in bulk.
Dr. Miguel Gonzalez, ". . . Conventional management includes antiviral medication such as acyclovir or famcyclovir, however, these drugs are not eradicating the virus, but rather improving the symptoms. On the other hand, natural supplements such as coconut oil have been shown to have the ability to actually destroy the herpes virus, and also prevent secondary bacterial or fungal herpes infections.
Monocaprin, one of the monoglycerides of capric acid and lauric acid, were found to be the most active of all the lipids tested, causing a greater than 100,000 fold reduction in the virus (HSV type 1) titer in 1 minute at a concentration of 20 mM, is the result of a study featured in October 1999 in "Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences", and conducted by a team of researchers from the University of Iceland, Reykjavik. Based on this study, the authors suggested a topical gel be developed having capric acid and lauric acid as active ingredients to be used for preventing sexually transmitted diseases such as herpes virus, HIV, gonorrhea and Chlamydia. . . ".
http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/avoid-secondary-herpes-infections-with-coconut-oil/
If you do not want to wait 10 years for a topical gel to be developed, suggest you avoid Astroglide and purchase liquid coconut oil to use as your lube at Walmart. Unless you prefer to run the risk of herpes, HIV and other STDs. If you use coconut oil, avoid latex condoms and purchase non-latex, such as SKYN brand. Previous postings on this topic on this site.
I bring Astroglide, which is carried in both Target and Walmart. In those stores it costs around $5 for the small 2.5 oz bottle or around $8 for the big bottle (twice as large). It is water-based, so it cleans up easy. I bring extra bottles to Tijuana because a few of my regulars ask to keep the bottles.
Walmart sells a generic version for less, but it is not as good.
The desk clerk upstairs in Hotel Coahuila (above Adelitas) is the only place in LZ I know of that sells Astroglide, but he charges $10 for the small bottle.
Kwalinsanjo
06-21-19, 00:59
The lube in a condom size package for $1 from the front desk is my favorite. I just cannot find them in any store to buy in bulk.Amazon sells the individual packets of Astroglide.
KC Questor
06-22-19, 00:44
Amazon sells the individual packets of Astroglide.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NZ9K81E/
SamPeter71
07-19-19, 15:03
I am hoping to get full testing when I visit Tijuana. I periodically do anonymous testing in us. This time, I will be there for 5 days in Tijuana.
Any suggestions on clinics, time it takes to get the results, prices etc.
Basketball101
07-19-19, 18:41
I am hoping to get full testing when I visit Tijuana. I periodically do anonymous testing in us. This time, I will be there for 5 days in Tijuana.
Any suggestions on clinics, time it takes to get the results, prices etc.Why are you getting tested? Don't want to give a chica any stds? Hiv can lay dorment for up to 6 months. You may think you're cleqn, but you may not be.
What you should do, for your protection, is get tested, after, and again, 6 months later.
SamPeter71
08-09-19, 07:07
I do, periodic checks. Looking for suggestion. I will be going to Tijuana from 14th to 17 next week.
Appreciate any suggestion for clinics who can quick comprehensive tests.
Why are you getting tested? Don't want to give a chica any stds? Hiv can lay dorment for up to 6 months. You may think you're cleqn, but you may not be.
What you should do, for your protection, is get tested, after, and again, 6 months later.
Blvd. Sánchez Taboada 9250-16 River Zone.
Close to Tacos Gordo and KFC restaurants.
Walk in service. Email you the results.
Tried this clinic in June. My test results came back in 2 days and were negative for disease.
They pull your blood sample and test for Syphilis, Herpes, HIV, Chlamydia."
"HIV PACKAGE, VDRL / RPR, anti-chlamydia LGM antibodies, anti-herpes ll LGM antibodies.
Promotion: ETS PLUS $ 2,500 pesos.
https://www.lab-express.com.mx/promociones
Lab has one or two parking spots, so best to take UBER unless you are willing to drive around looking for parking.
I do, periodic checks. Looking for suggestion. I will be going to Tijuana from 14th to 17 next week.
Appreciate any suggestion for clinics who can quick comprehensive tests.
Quest Mexico has a lab in Tijuana.
Blvd. Snchez Taboada 9250-16 River Zone.
Close to Tacos Gordo and KFC restaurants.
Walk in service. Email you the results.
Tried this clinic in June. My test results came back in 2 days and were negative for disease.
They pull your blood sample and test for Syphilis, Herpes, HIV, Chlamydia."
"HIV PACKAGE, VDRL / RPR, anti-chlamydia LGM antibodies, anti-herpes ll LGM antibodies..
Will they need an ID or can you just walk in and request for the Service?
Blvd. Snchez Taboada 9250-16 River Zone.
Close to Tacos Gordo and KFC restaurants.
Walk in service. Email you the results.
Tried this clinic in June. My test results came back in 2 days and were negative for disease.
They pull your blood sample and test for Syphilis, Herpes, HIV, Chlamydia."
"HIV PACKAGE, VDRL / RPR, anti-chlamydia LGM antibodies, anti-herpes ll LGM antibodies.
Promotion: ETS PLUS $ 2,500 pesos.
https://www.lab-express.com.mx/promociones
Lab has one or two parking spots, so best to take UBER unless you are willing to drive around looking for parking.
Walk in service. Tell them what you want in Spanish or show them what you want (ETS aka STD test) on your cell phone from their ad. I waited about 5 minutes in the waiting area til a nurse took me into a side room for the blood draw. They will need your email address to send you the results and pesos to pay. No ID required.
Will they need an ID or can you just walk in and request for the Service?
Anyone know what the card or book looks like that the girls are supposed to have updated showing they have been tested for STD's?
I asked a Peradita and she didn't understand what I was asking. As I wasn't saying it in Spanish. Is it a card or?? I googled it but just saw some old stories from years ago about what the girls used and curious now what it looks like if a girl was to show it to me?
https://www.google.com/search?q=tijuana+health+card+prostitution&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0 ahUKEwi-yrrTjZblAhXqFTQIHewlDOgQ_AUIEygC&biw=1624&bih=832&dpr=1. 1#imgrc=L1 aJIHqSMSrszM:
Most STD test is free from primary doctors if you are already seeing them for something else, so unlikely to have an additional copay. I just use free walk in clinic next o the old town Transit center. It's very clean office despite being on San Diego skid row. HIV test is free others are not free. They do ask how many hookers you banged on the form, so bring your notes.
ScatManDoo
10-12-19, 23:17
They do ask how many hookers you banged on the form, so bring your notes.I prefer the look of intense disgust on the nurse's face when I answer that question truthfully during verbal questioning at the free clinic in Santa Ana.
If you go to Zona Norte once a week do you have a sexual addiction?
I guess if going there starts screwing up your regular life then it's a bit of a warning message you (or I). Need to listen to.
I went once every two months or so for the last year. Then started going down there every couple weeks.
Can I help it if I like to take the ultimate break from the regular stressful life that we all at times live in the USA. Yes. We have our higher income. But also to match higher prices for everything. Work stress. Relationship stress. Expectations of family's.
Suicide Rate in USA is twice that of Mexico. 4. 4 per 100,000 compared to 10.1 in the good old USA.
Life is good so no worries at this point in my world but just wanted to share the perspective of Zona Norte.
If I went to Disneyland once every couple weeks I would be really board with it quickly I would think. But not Zona Norte. The dynamics of the experiences with the girls and ambiance of the places down there just keeps giving.
JabberWock
10-29-19, 01:49
Most STD test is free from primary doctors if you are already seeing them for something else, so unlikely to have an additional copay. I just use free walk in clinic next o the old town Transit center. It's very clean office despite being on San Diego skid row. HIV test is free others are not free. They do ask how many hookers you banged on the form, so bring your notes.Exactly where is this free clinic near the old town Transit center?
If you go to Zona Norte once a week do you have a sexual addiction?
I guess if going there starts screwing up your regular life then it's a bit of a warning message you (or I). Need to listen to.
I went once every two months or so for the last year. Then started going down there every couple weeks.
Can I help it if I like to take the ultimate break from the regular stressful life that we all at times live in the USA. Yes. We have our higher income. But also to match higher prices for everything. Work stress. Relationship stress. Expectations of family's.
Suicide Rate in USA is twice that of Mexico. 4. 4 per 100,000 compared to 10.1 in the good old USA.
Life is good so no worries at this point in my world but just wanted to share the perspective of Zona Norte.
If I went to Disneyland once every couple weeks I would be really board with it quickly I would think. But not Zona Norte. The dynamics of the experiences with the girls and ambiance of the places down there just keeps giving.Once a week to get laid is not a lot. Hopefully you get some free sex at times also. TO me, when dating, I was never going to marry any girl who didn't want sex 6 days a week. So sex almost every day. That's not that unreasonable, a third of the woman I dated needed sex every day anyway. So to me, its normal and healthy.
Once a week? Sometimes I've gone more than once in a day. The customs agents say, You again? I say, Yeah olvide algo. I choose to go a few times per week, but it's just a passion, not an addiction.
Addiction is the word for the junkie zombies wandering through SoCal. Meth is death. Opiates are a black hole.
ZN mongers are sex enthusiasts with powerful libidos. Viva el deseo!
If they tried to make me go to sex rehab, I'd say, "no, no, no".
LOL. He really said "You again" . That is a riot!
I got done with a tour with friends to Ensenada on Sunday and crossed back over to US side. Thought I was so close to Zona Norte I may as well go back for couple hours of fun. What I love is from the bridge over I 5 on the US side you can see Casadas Hotel right there. You can touch it.
Once a week? Sometimes I've gone more than once in a day. The customs agents say, You again? I say, Yeah olvide algo. I choose to go a few times per week, but it's just a passion, not an addiction.
Addiction is the word for the junkie zombies wandering through SoCal. Meth is death. Opiates are a black hole.
ZN mongers are sex enthusiasts with powerful libidos. Viva el deseo!
If they tried to make me go to sex rehab, I'd say, "no, no, no".
Was in Tijuana last Sunday night for couple hours and connected up with Sofia in the alley behind HK. Went to Cascadas hotel instead of the regular room she goes to and had some sexo. I couldn't finish off so she started giving me BJ being the sweet girl she is trying to make me happy-as-can-be. Still no luck so were kissing a bit and I didn't realize until later. I was in her with the condom. Then she is giving me a BJ with the condom on. Then I am kissing her after her mouth was all over the condom which was inside her.
At this rate god knows what I will pick up with great decision making like that!
Anyway. At least I realized it later and won't pull that move again I hope.
Goyo.
Was in Tijuana last Sunday night for couple hours and connected up with Sofia in the alley behind HK. Went to Cascadas hotel instead of the regular room she goes to and had some sexo. I couldn't finish off so she started giving me BJ being the sweet girl she is trying to make me happy-as-can-be. Still no luck so were kissing a bit and I didn't realize until later. I was in her with the condom. Then she is giving me a BJ with the condom on. Then I am kissing her after her mouth was all over the condom which was inside her.
At this rate god knows what I will pick up with great decision making like that!
Anyway. At least I realized it later and won't pull that move again I hope.
Goyo.Sometime in June I was with a chica in Tropicals. The chemistry was absolutely amazing. Took her upstairs and she went bareback on me before I could stop her. I said fuck it. I'm already in her and she is not a regular. What can go wrong? Turns out she just started her menstrual cycle, and I was covered in blood. Anyways the comprehensive tests, the PEP treatment against possible HIV exposure totaled about $1,300 with my insurance picking up about $1,100 leaving my out of pocket cost to be about $200. That was nothing compared to the fucking anxiety and 4 weeks of celibacy during PEP treatment.
Perhaps she wasn't on her period and she was just a virgin. Haha. Guess not funny due to PEP treatment!
Have not had any blood with chicka yet. Planning on going this Sunday so looking forward to a few hours or mongering in the afternoon.
Goyo.
Sometime in June I was with a chica in Tropicals. The chemistry was absolutely amazing. Took her upstairs and she went bareback on me before I could stop her. I said fuck it. I'm already in her and she is not a regular. What can go wrong? Turns out she just started her menstrual cycle, and I was covered in blood. Anyways the comprehensive tests, the PEP treatment against possible HIV exposure totaled about $1,300 with my insurance picking up about $1,100 leaving my out of pocket cost to be about $200. That was nothing compared to the fucking anxiety and 4 weeks of celibacy during PEP treatment.
Really?! I have so much sex in Tijuana that I'm exhausted! Link to article here https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/#comments-wrapper.
Very interesting article.
What's crazy is if even half of these guys knew how easy it was and relatively safe to go to Tijuana they would be getting laid much more often!
Instead they spend $1000 for a flight to Thailand to enjoy when they could have had 3 trips to Tijuana!
Goyo.
Really?! I have so much sex in Tijuana that I'm exhausted! Link to article here https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/#comments-wrapper.
LuvMexicanas
01-30-20, 17:29
Very interesting article.
What's crazy is if even half of these guys knew how easy it was and relatively safe to go to Tijuana they would be getting laid much more often!
Instead they spend $1000 for a flight to Thailand to enjoy when they could have had 3 trips to Tijuana!
Goyo.Bro,
Keep your voice down because the last thing we need is more swinging pene in our Disneyland. When I run into dudes who are terrified of Mexico, I tell them yeah you really have to be careful.
Bro,
Keep your voice down because the last thing we need is more swinging pene in our Disneyland. When I run into dudes who are terrified of Mexico, I tell them yeah you really have to be careful.Yep. Last year HK prices were $60. Now it's $100. Too many insensitive tourists fucking up the prices for the rest of us by tossing out $100 bills. Fine. They can do their own fucking recon since they're so rich. With a little luck, a rich tourist will be kidnap and his thumb will be chop off as proof of life for a ransom.
If you are a rich tourist, Tijuana is completely safe. Remember to wander away from the main clubs especially at night. Flash your big bills, the natives will love you for it.
LuvMex. You know that is very interesting what you say. Anthony Bourdain and a food writer for LOS Angeles both have mentioned how some of the great local places they knew got totally messed up by popularity. Anthony Bourdain.
If Zona Norte exploded with tourists. What affect would that have? Very good question. Some good. Some bad. Look what is happening to the red light district in Amsterdam. Due to the popularity there is talk of changing it totally. Perhaps moving it out of the downtown area.
Prices could totally go up to $150 or $200 for girls. SG / Peridita's charging $80 a pop. Frikin. $40 a lap dance. $20 to buy a girl a drink. Arg.
The SG I love. When I first approached her in the Alley behind HK. She wanted $20 for a fuck. Unbelievable. Starts to sound like hookers in Greece charging the price of a sandwich for a fuck. $10.
Long live zona norte. My lips are sealed.
Goyo.
Bro,
Keep your voice down because the last thing we need is more swinging pene in our Disneyland. When I run into dudes who are terrified of Mexico, I tell them yeah you really have to be careful.
Wonder when the clubs will start this in Tijuana. . . Would make me feel safer to know the meseros and clients have been checked by door security.
"In response to coronavirus fears, restaurant checks customers' temperatures at the door -- Sichuan Impression in Tustin, and its sister restaurants in Alhambra and West LOS Angeles, may well be the first in the area to screen for the coronavirus. At lunchtime Friday, March 6, manager Summer Guo stood at the ready with a thermometer to check each Tustin customer. Anything higher than 99.8 would mean a polite rejection. Susan Christian Goulding in the Orange County Register -- 3/9/20".
Wonder when the clubs will start this in Tijuana. . . Would make me feel safer to know the meseros and clients have been checked by door security.
"In response to coronavirus fears, restaurant checks customers' temperatures at the door -- Sichuan Impression in Tustin, and its sister restaurants in Alhambra and West LOS Angeles, may well be the first in the area to screen for the coronavirus. At lunchtime Friday, March 6, manager Summer Guo stood at the ready with a thermometer to check each Tustin customer. Anything higher than 99.8 would mean a polite rejection. Susan Christian Goulding in the Orange County Register -- 3/9/20".Knowing HK meseros, they will likely use a rectal thermostat, then forget to clean them after each use, then take $5 bribes to let a tourist with a fever through. We're talking HK employees here. They only thing they've ever been trained in is scamming drunken guests while pimping out the new chicas.
Italian, Iranian, South Korea, EU and others should consider the Chinese currency measures to prevent the spread of COVID 19. Chinese are the current prevention leader.
Wonder when the clubs will start this in Tijuana. . . Would make me feel safer to know the meseros and clients have been checked by door security.
"In response to coronavirus fears, restaurant checks customers' temperatures at the door -- Sichuan Impression in Tustin, and its sister restaurants in Alhambra and West LOS Angeles, may well be the first in the area to screen for the coronavirus. At lunchtime Friday, March 6, manager Summer Guo stood at the ready with a thermometer to check each Tustin customer. Anything higher than 99.8 would mean a polite rejection. Susan Christian Goulding in the Orange County Register -- 3/9/20".
Captain Solo
03-10-20, 01:47
Coronavirus is in mexico with cruise ship Grand Princess visiting 4 ports with known infected persons. Mexico is just too hungry to care, too slow to find and too dishonest to report it. You can see how fast and deadly the virus can spread given the cramp, squalid living conditions with lots of migrants and homeless people in border towns like Tijuana.
Don't expect any coronavirus reports, honest or not, from either Mexico's government or the press.
Soon there will be infections in Tijuana and you would never know or heard from anyone. This is why the girls refuse deep kissing all along. Lots of bacteria and virus are passed from mouth to mouth. Guys also like to suck the girls' culo. They can get infections that way too.
Perhaps it would be prudent to stop going to Tijuana for a few weeks and monitor the news about this virus situation. Meanwhile do cybersex with your favoritas until it's safe to drag your dick to La Zona. Post any news for the benefits of horny bros with raging hard ONS.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-07/as-mexico-plays-down-chance-grand-princess-spread-coronavirus-questions-multiply
Mexico plays down chance that Grand Princess spread coronavirus, but questions multiply.
At the docks in Cabo San Lucas, a sign reads: "South Baja California is free of coronavirus and that's how we want to stay!" Lituania Casena Guerena, 18, works greeting cruise ship visitors, but was only told to start wearing gloves a week ago.
At the docks in Cabo San Lucas, a sign reads: "South Baja California is free of coronavirus and that's how we want to stay!" Lituania Casena Guerena, 18, works greeting cruise ship visitors, but was only told to start wearing gloves a week ago. (Carolyn Cole / LOS Angeles Times).
By SUSANNE Rust, PATRICK J. MCDONNELL, ANITA CHABRIA.
March 7, 20203:26 PM.
CABO SAN LUCAS, Mexico — Posters and official fliers in this coastal tourist hot spot seek to allay concerns about the fast-spreading global health menace that has left victims from China to Italy to California.
"Baja California Sur is coronavirus free and that's how we want to stay!" proclaims one sign.
But even though officials here say Baja has so far avoided the COVID-19 contagion, questions have been raised about whether passengers on the Grand Princess, a cruise ship with several infected crew members and passengers, could have either picked up or spread the coronavirus when it visited Cabo and three other Mexican Pacific ports during a Feb. 11-21 trip from San Francisco.
On Saturday, a cruise line official reported that one 75-year-old California passenger, who later died of the virus, was infected before boarding the ship on Feb. 11, and was sick several days before the boat returned to San Francisco on Feb. 21.
According to Dr. Grant Tarling, the cruise's medical officer, the Placer County man didn't visit the ship's doctor until Feb. 20, but started exhibiting symptoms as early as Feb. 13. That was before the vessel made its first Mexican port stop, Feb. 16 in Puerto Vallarta. It went on to visit Manzanillo that same day, stopped in Mazatlan on Feb. 17, then anchored in Cabo San Lucas on Feb. 19.
Route of the Grand Princess (Thomas Suh Lauder / LOS Angeles Times).
Complicating matters, Placer County health officials have disputed Tarling's information, saying the diseased man "likely contracted the disease during international travel to Mexico," which could mean he contracted it on the boat or during a shore visit.
It is not publicly known if he departed the boat at any stops. What is known is that many passengers on the Grand Princess made shore visits at each port, according to persons who were part of the trip.
During its layovers at Mexican ports, "literally hundreds" of people left the ship for shore excursions, said a source on the vessel who asked not to be named for privacy reasons.
"Passengers really penetrate the port towns," said *** Soloman, who traveled on the Mexican voyage with his wife. "For example, in Mazatlan, tours take them to the central market, cathedral and historic theater. ".
For their part, Mexican authorities have said they have found no indication that anyone who disembarked from the Grand Princess last month spread the virus — or contracted it in Mexico.
Mexico has confirmed a total of six cases of the coronavirus, although none in the state of Baja California Sur. All six cases, Mexican authorities say, are people who recently traveled to Italy, site of a major outbreak.
All the affected individuals in Mexico have exhibited minor symptoms, health authorities say, and none have been linked to the international cruise ships that frequent the country's ports.
Yet as the Grand Princess remains held off the coast of San Francisco, the international inquiry into its current and previous passengers is just getting started. As of Friday, at least 21 people on board, including 2 passengers and 19 crew members, had tested positive, according to federal and state authorities.
After departing Mexico, the cruise ship returned to San Francisco on Feb. 21 and then departed for a trip to Hawaii. Tarling, chief medical officer for Princess Cruises, said 70 people remained on board for the Hawaii portion of the cruise.
On Friday, authorities in Hawaii confirmed that the state's first case of the coronavirus involved a man who had been a passenger on the Grand Princess during its Mexico leg. He fell ill after flying home to Oahu from Mexico, but did not exhibit symptoms of the disease during that flight.
In Mexico, authorities say they have a health protocol in place mandating that cruise lines advise Mexican authorities in advance of any illnesses aboard ships. Passengers and crew members are only allowed to disembark once authorities review ships' health logs, confirm the information and determine there is no threat to people on shore, Mexican officials say.
No one from the Grand Princess during its Mexico tour "presented symptoms that could have put in danger the population," Dr. Rafael Félix Espinoza, chief health officer in Mexico's Sinaloa state, said in a statement.
Among the Grand Princess' four stops in Mexico was a 10-hour call in Mazatláand, Sinaloa state.
Prior to Saturday's reports, Mexican authorities downplayed the possibility that the Placer County man displayed symptoms of the coronavirus while the ship was visiting Mexico.
"Because of the time of incubation of the virus, it is very improbable that the patient had the virus during his time in Mexican ports," Felix Espinoza said.
In a separate case, Mexican authorities late last month allowed passengers and crew from another cruise ship — the MSC Meraviglia — to disembark in Cozumel, on the Caribbean coast, after the boat had been turned away from ports in Jamaica and Grand Cayman amid fears of a coronavirus outbreak. In that case, Mexican health authorities said tests determined that no one on board had contracted the coronavirus.
"We cannot act with discrimination," Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador told reporters when asked about the case of the MSC Meraviglia. "Imagine if a ship arrived and it wasn't even allowed to dock, and they were told, 'Keep going on your way, see where you can dock. ' That is inhuman. "
On a recent afternoon in Cabo San Lucas, not a mask was could be seen on tourists and tour operators shouted greetings, shook hands and jostled the arms and shoulders of visitors.
"We're not worried," said Tommy Wright, 67, of Tulsa, Oklahoma, who noted that he and his wife, Susan, come to Cabo a few times a year to fish and relax. "It's a virus. . Take a look at the flu. That kills thousands of people every year. This doesn't even come close. "
The city's health director, Adam Monroy, said the process for investigating and containing viral threats is robust.
"This is not new," he said referring to procedures that date from the 2009 outbreak of the H1 N1 virus, or swine flu. "Our protocols work. "
Any decline in cruise ship visits could have economic implications in Mexico, which is heavily dependent on tourism.
Last year, according to official figures, 2,951 cruise ships stopped at Mexican ports, carrying almost 9 million passengers, an increase of 13.5% compared to the previous year. Cabo San Lucas hosted 204 cruise ships in 2019 with more than 500,000 passengers.
Fatima Miranda Cortés, director of tourism and economy for Cabo San Lucas, said her team has been working hard to inform people about the virus.
Last week, two residents were tested after displaying symptoms of illness after returning from Japan. According to state authorities, the results were negative.
Nonetheless, she said, the city has already taken a big economic hit as a result of coronavirus concerns.
Cruise ship reservations, she said, have dropped by 20-30%. Spring break — between March 1 and March 30 — is generally the busiest time, she said, with roughly 30 cruise ships coming into port during that period.
"So, things could get worse as the month goes on," she said.
Despite the general lack of alarm here about the virus, some visitors have been taking extra precautions.
"We heard it was safe here," said Naomi Alcazar, 40, who was visiting from Oxnard. "They said there's no coronavirus. But, we're still putting Clorox on everything. On the airplane. Everywhere. "
Her friend, Elva Rizzie, also from Oxnard, however, seemed less than pleased to be talking about it.
"I don't want to hear it," she said. "Go away. "
Staff writer Rust reported from Baja California, McDonnell from Mexico City and Chabria from Sacramento. Special correspondent Cecilia Sánchez in Mexico City contributed to this report.
Over the weekend I stood behind a meseros waiting to check my bag in. He coughs left, I move right. He coughs right I move left. Over and over. If HK allows sick meseros to work, what are the chances it refuses a Corona Virus tourist? None.
I would lay low and avoid Tijuana this weekend. If that's too inconvenient I would avoid all the major clubs where there is a crowd. This ain't just a fucking flu. At the very least, everyone should monitor their temperature if they feel *funny*. Early treatment is the key to survival.
In plain English, no chica will want to suck your dick if you look like you have the Corona Virus, so do what you must to avoid it.
Over the weekend I stood behind a meseros waiting to check my bag in. He coughs left, I move right. He coughs right I move left. Over and over. If HK allows sick meseros to work, what are the chances it refuses a Corona Virus tourist? None.
I would lay low and avoid Tijuana this weekend. If that's too inconvenient I would avoid all the major clubs where there is a crowd. This ain't just a fucking flu. At the very least, everyone should monitor their temperature if they feel *funny*. Early treatment is the key to survival.
In plain English, no chica will want to suck your dick if you look like you have the Corona Virus, so do what you must to avoid it.Ha! I actually laughed out loud when I read "Corona Dick".
ScatManDoo
03-11-20, 03:06
Over the weekend I stood behind a meseros waiting to check my bag in. He coughs left, I move right. He coughs right I move left. Over and over. If HK allows sick meseros to work, what are the chances it refuses a Corona Virus tourist? None.
I would lay low and avoid Tijuana this weekend. If that's too inconvenient I would avoid all the major clubs where there is a crowd. This ain't just a fucking flu. I'm going to take this advice to heart and only fuck & get blow jobs from walkers. Hell some of them spend 23 hours a day holed up indoor were they live and make as little as only one tightly measured visit outside.
And these walkers are spending most of their day in close contact only with their novios / esposos. And a lot of these boyfriends / husbands also spend little time with other people, since a significant portion of them are allergic to work.
Can you imagine the first gringo that gets corona having to explain details and field day the media would have with it. "First I had 2 free beers at hk, made out with two hk twins, at the bar, idk their names, then an adelitas chick I took upstairs for everything, I think her name might have been rose, then. I got drunk at a near by bar, on 2 dollar margaritas, it was crowded, idk the name, wandered into streets for a street girl, she was short thick, didn't give me her name, she wouldn't do BBBJ but her anal was amazing, so wandered some more for a trans girl who spoke no english but she had nice legs, then ate $5 dollar steak at azuls and banged one more hk girl for my nightcap who also never gave me her name". This gets out to media tijuana will be flooded with mongers in no time.
Captain Solo
03-11-20, 15:08
Dodger is right.
Millions big swinging dicks would risk the black virus death, rain big money on chicas and screw up the system for us. I got so many chicas jack prices on me lately, it's not funny.
Let them hear about the robbing policias, rateros' choke holds, cartels guys who kidnap and torture mongers for ransoms, chicas who steal wallets and spread STDs and coronavirus.
Magic Rancher
03-11-20, 17:02
Can you imagine the first gringo that gets corona having to explain details and field day the media would have with it. "First I had 2 free beers at hk, made out with two hk twins, at the bar, idk their names, then an adelitas chick I took upstairs for everything, I think her name might have been rose, then. I got drunk at a near by bar, on 2 dollar margaritas, it was crowded, idk the name, wandered into streets for a street girl, she was short thick, didn't give me her name, she wouldn't do BBBJ but her anal was amazing, so wandered some more for a trans girl who spoke no english but she had nice legs, then ate $5 dollar steak at azuls and banged one more hk girl for my nightcap who also never gave me her name". This gets out to media tijuana will be flooded with mongers in no time.Nooooo, the explanation is that I was in Zona Norte to go to Catedral Metropolitana de Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe. It was crowded and services were long and then I came home. I only touched the robe of the Virgin.
All of the So Cal Universities and colleges are shutting their campuses down. UCSD, SUSD is locking down. UCLA is done. Should I stock up on my favorite premium condoms? Fucking hand sanitizers sold out. Masks are gone. Thermometers also sold out. Who just upgrade the virus to a pandemic. Hope my favorite chicas are OK. I'm putting aside some money from my budget in case they need help. Tijuana is poor. Chicas are even poorer and the most vulnerable.
I was in Tijuana earlier this week. They seem completely oblivious. If the Corona hits them, they're going down fast.
Captain Solo
03-12-20, 02:16
Well Rancher,
Your wife would immediately know.
You smell like you had your hand up many HK's culos and your face in many wet crotches.
Captain Solo
03-12-20, 02:28
Jackie,
This week your Tijuana sweethearts are secretly breeding coronavirus and venereal bacteria, waiting just for you.
"There are two hotspots in the world for coronavirus infections: Wuhan, China (Hubei Province) and Italy. Both of these geographic areas were grappling with tuberculosis outbreaks prior to the eruption of the mutated COVID-19 coronavirus. Strangely, coronavirus appears to spread to the rest of the world from these hotspots via airplane travel. But the infection remains in those infected and may spread within a household, but not into the community. Other geographical outbreaks must be questioned as there are too many false positive tests to confirm COVID-19 coronavirus, which at this point in time may be nothing more than a passenger virus that accompanies tubercular infections. . .
In a prior report I cited the pre-coronavirus outbreak of tuberculosis in Wuhan China coupled with culling and incineration of herds of pigs infected with African swine flu that created aerosolized pig waste particles that infected humans with a Mycobacterium tuberculosis. Tuberculosis is largely a lung disease that kills 1. 7 million humans annually. TB may be the origin of this deadly infection as normally coronavirus produces mild infections. Tuberculosis fills the lungs with fluid and the patient drowns in their own secretions. That is what is happening in Wuhan.
Of interest, most cases (70%) of TB in the USA Emanate from immigrants who travel to the USA Or who are foreign born and acquired TB years ago, only for latent TB to erupt into symptomatic disease when the immune system could no longer keep it in check. Are reported cases of COVID-19 in the USA Occult tuberculosis? . Cough is a major symptom of COVID-19. Coughs are often caused by excess mucus in the bronchus, an airway to the lungs. In Italy swelling and narrowing of the bronchus with excess mucus (bronchiectasis) was detected among 52% of COVID-19 cases examined by chest x-ray. However, bronchiectasis is a finding that is far more common (8 X) among patients in Italy with a history of tuberculosis (0. 47% versus 0. 06%) than other lung infections. . .
Full article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/italy-is-second-country-with-coronavirus-outbreak-preceded-by-a-tuberculosis-epidemic/.
Different theory why this outbreak is worrysome. TB aka The White Death is involved.
Read recent article that many young people are choosing to use the cheap air fares and hotel rooms to see the world since they are not at severe risk, unlike old people (60 to 80 years old have high mortality), Chinese, smokers, diabetics or persons with high blood pressure. Getting the flu or Coronavirus will make the average American feel bad like the flu. Getting the Coronavirus plus previous Tuberculosis infection, smoking damage to the lungs or other risk factor is a one-two punch. Smokers will feel like they are suffocating with the virus due to previous lung damage. The average chica is young and healthy and should have few problems if they do not smoke or use dangerous drugs.
All of the So Cal Universities and colleges are shutting their campuses down. UCSD, SUSD is locking down. UCLA is done. Should I stock up on my favorite premium condoms? Fucking hand sanitizers sold out. Masks are gone. Thermometers also sold out. Who just upgrade the virus to a pandemic. Hope my favorite chicas are OK. I'm putting aside some money from my budget in case they need help. Tijuana is poor. Chicas are even poorer and the most vulnerable.
I was in Tijuana earlier this week. They seem completely oblivious. If the Corona hits them, they're going down fast.
Read recent article that many young people are choosing to use the cheap air fares and hotel rooms to see the world since they are not at severe risk, unlike old people (60 to 80 years old have high mortality), Chinese, smokers, diabetics or persons with high blood pressure. Getting the flu or Coronavirus will make the average American feel bad like the flu. Getting the Coronavirus plus previous Tuberculosis infection, smoking damage to the lungs or other risk factor is a one-two punch. Smokers will feel like they are suffocating with the virus due to previous lung damage. The average chica is young and healthy and should have few problems if they do not smoke or use dangerous drugs.Oh fuck!
The chicas aren't going to die.
We're going to die!
KC Questor
03-13-20, 03:16
Full article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/italy-is-second-country-with-coronavirus-outbreak-preceded-by-a-tuberculosis-epidemic/.
Yeah, no.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/
"Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. ".
Analysis / Bias
Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes conspiracies, pseudoscience and fringe economic theories. Lew Rockwell uses minimal loaded words in their headlines and articles, but they typically source to far right or questionable sources such as Brietbart, Zerohedge and the #1 purveyor of pseudoscience Joseph Mercola. Some of the topics you will find on the website are those related to anti-vaccination propaganda, Mind Control, False Flags, and anti-immigration articles from other questionable sources. Further, the Lew Rockwell website has been placed on the Hatewatch list by the Southern Poverty Law Center. A factual search also reveals that Lew Rockwell has a very poor track record with fact checkers. For more information I recommend, RationalWiki (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lew_Rockwell) who has done a fantastic job of putting all of it together.
With EU lock down for 30 days March 13 - April 14?
Who is next?
Mexico. No mass testing available yet.
Will Mexico be next.
Read recent article that many young people are choosing to use the cheap air fares and hotel rooms to see the world since they are not at severe risk, unlike old people (60 to 80 years old have high mortality), Chinese, smokers, diabetics or persons with high blood pressure. Getting the flu or Coronavirus will make the average American feel bad like the flu. Getting the Coronavirus plus previous Tuberculosis infection, smoking damage to the lungs or other risk factor is a one-two punch. Smokers will feel like they are suffocating with the virus due to previous lung damage. The average chica is young and healthy and should have few problems if they do not smoke or use dangerous drugs.
Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes a libertarian point of view that is "anti-state•anti-war•pro-market" The latest article on the Coronavirus has good news: Virus Fearmongerers Prevail by Bill Sardi.
"Lockdowns, Quarantines, Travel Restrictions Are All That Politicians Have To Quell An Infection That Is Far Less Deadly Than The Seasonal Flu. Politicians Are Misled By Health Authorities Who Fail To Inform Better Than 9 In 10 Have Mild Or No Symptoms & Will Not Require Future Vaccination".
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/virus-fearmongerers-prevail/
Per a critics attack:
" Further, the Lew Rockwell website has been placed on the Hatewatch list by the Southern Poverty Law Center. . . " Here is the LewRockwell.com response: "Evil SPLC Implodes" President And Legal Director Resign Amid Sexual Misconduct Scandal. "A week after co-founder Morris Dees was ousted over sexual misconduct claims. With two dozen employees signing a letter of concern over "allegations of mistreatment, sexual harassment, gender discrimination, and racism," the head of the SPLC, Richard Cohen, as well as the organization's legal director, Rhonda Brownstein, resigned on Friday. . . " Zerohedge.com Citing sources like the SPLC to condemn the libertarian website of LewRockwell after mass resignations of the SPLC leadership for misconduct seems irresponsible to me.
Yeah, no.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/lew-rockwell/
"Overall, we rate Lew Rockwell Questionable based on Extreme Right Bias, promotion of propaganda, conspiracy theories and pseudoscience. ".
Why the fuck would anyone go to a political site to get facts on a pandemic? WTF? Stick with the who and the CDC. Alternatively use equivalent international health professionals.
Lew Rockwell is a website that promotes a libertarian point of view that is "anti-stateanti-warpro-market" The latest article on the Coronavirus has good news: Virus Fearmongerers Prevail by Bill Sardi.I wouldn't trust a word written by this website. They have their own agenda to push, and therefore aren't credible.
Best to stick with factual based info coming from medical and scientific community. Such as John Hopkins University and others. Not some junky "libertarian" website pushing their political agenda.
ChinaMan360
03-14-20, 00:20
I wouldn't trust a word written by this website. They have their own agenda to push, and therefore aren't credible.
Best to stick with factual based info coming from medical and scientific community. Such as John Hopkins University and others. Not some junky "libertarian" website pushing their political agenda.Please guys. The only credible sources right now is straight from the CDC and WHO. I've seen so much misinformation spread around social media. NPR, academic health websites and such are fine but they are still second hand information. So keep that in mind.
Captain Solo
03-17-20, 14:04
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/6-travelers-to-italy-from-mexicali-tijuana-appear-to-have-coronavirus/
BORDER REPORT.
By: Salvador Rivera.
Posted: Mar 4, 2020/10:50 PM PST / Updated: Mar 4, 2020/10:54 PM PST.
SAN DIEGO (Border Report) — Baja California's Health Department is reporting six suspected cases of the coronavirus in the state: four in Mexicali and two in Tijuana.
Both cities are just south of the USA -Mexico border. Baja health officials say they are waiting lab results for the six people in question. Four people are from Mexicali — three women ages 51,28 and 24 and a 25-year old man. The two other cases involve a 40-year-old woman and a 56-year-old man from Tijuana.
All six people traveled to northern Italy recently and have exhibited symptoms of a respiratory illness. There have been 107 deaths attributed to the coronavirus from a reported 3,089 cases in Italy.
People in Baja are being asked to remain calm and to continue using preventive measures such as hand washing and / or applying anti-bacteria gel that is at least 70% alcohol based. When sneezing, it's recommended to cover your mouth with forearm. It is also suggested people avoid touching their faces if hands have not been washed and to avoid touching their face, nose and eyes.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-11/mexico-s-low-coronavirus-count-spurs-doubts-about-testing-level
Mexico's Low Coronavirus Count Spurs Doubts On Testing Rate.
By Andrea Navarro.
March 11,2020, 12:40 PM PDT Updated on March 11,2020, 10:17 PM PDT.
Twelve cases confirmed nationwide since first on Feb. 28.
Mexico's low, barely budging count of confirmed coronavirus cases is raising concern about the adequacy of testing in the country and whether the government is doing enough to prepare for an epidemic.
As of Tuesday, only eight cases of Covid-19 had been confirmed since the first was reported Feb. 28 and Mexico was monitoring 37 possible cases. By comparison, Brazil, where the first case was confirmed two days before Mexico's, confirmed 37 cases and suspected another 876.
On Wednesday evening, Mexico's Health Ministry said the number of confirmed cases had reached 12.
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Earlier in the day, the outbreak was declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization, as worldwide cases topped 120,000 and deaths exceeded 4,300. Countries still have a chance to alter the course of the pandemic, the WHO said, urging governments to step up containment efforts through testing, tracing and isolating.
As of Tuesday night, the Mexican Health Ministry said it had performed 278 tests.
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"I'm worried about the lack of diagnostic testing," said Francisco Moreno, infectious disease specialist and head of Internal Medicine at ABC Hospital in Mexico City. "If Mexico has undetected cases circulating, the spread of the disease is going to be brutal. ".
Mexico has largely decided against implementing containment efforts. Airports aren't widely screening travelers from countries with high numbers of cases and no big government events have been canceled. Those working from home are doing so mainly according to region-wide policies from their multinational corporate employers.
Mexico Is Prepared: AMLO.
"We have the best experts on the matter," President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Wednesday at his morning press conference. "We still have the same number of cases and luckily there's been no loss of life. We're not hiding information from the population. ".
Jean-Marc Gabastou, adviser in emergency health for the Pan-American Health Organization / World Health Organization said at a Mexican Health Ministry press conference on Wednesday evening that the country was among the first to implement diagnostic capacity in each of its 32 states, with a total of 40 laboratories. "This country has always been one step ahead," he said.
Cases in South Korea, where almost 200,000 tests have been performed, had shown signs of slowing before a new cluster of cases this week raised fears of another flare-up. The country has been testing people at the fastest pace in the world, which appears to have enabled early detection of cases and kept mortality rates lower than average. Moreno says Mexico should be following suit despite the intensive resources widespread testing will require.
"We need to copy what some other countries are doing in early detection of the disease," Moreno said. Mexico "appears to be waiting for the problem to start before taking measures. And my fear is that when it grows, we're going to be far from being able to contain it. ".
As of now, Mexico is only testing people who have a direct connection to someone who's traveled to a country deemed high-risk, or who's been in contact with a confirmed case, said Alejandro Macias, the former national commissioner for influenza in Mexico during the H1 N1 outbreak.
"It would be a good idea to lower the bar for testing," he said in an interview. While Macias doubts there's an undetected epidemic in the country because hospitals would be seeing the cases, "it's likely that they've missed some cases and will continue to do so if they don't increase testing. ".
— With assistance by Lorena Rios, and Justin Villamil.
S. Korea is testing 15,000 per day. They even have drive thru testing centers.
The USA is testing 100 a day.
Mexico have tested 278 total.
They are so fucked.
Total failure at CDC / Trump, missed the boat. Now in containment phase. Our Fukashima pandamic. How would Mexico cope?
Please guys. The only credible sources right now is straight from the CDC and WHO. I've seen so much misinformation spread around social media. NPR, academic health websites and such are fine but they are still second hand information. So keep that in mind.
Drive thru testing 10,000 test a day.
Very limited testing in Mexico.
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/6-travelers-to-italy-from-mexicali-tijuana-appear-to-have-coronavirus/
BORDER REPORT.
By: Salvador Rivera.
Posted: Mar 4, 2020/10:50 PM PST / Updated: Mar 4, 2020/10:54 PM PST.
SAN DIEGO (Border Report) Baja California's Health Department is reporting six suspected cases of the coronavirus in the state: four in Mexicali and two in Tijuana.
Both cities are just south of the USA -Mexico border. Baja health officials say they are waiting lab results for the six people in question. Four people are from Mexicali three women ages 51,28 and 24 and a 25-year old man. The two other cases involve a 40-year-old woman and a 56-year-old man from Tijuana..
LovesToSploog
03-18-20, 16:22
Just a FYI trump layed off his pandemic team in 2018 due to budget cuts, CDC responded earlier in the weekend stating most are going to be exposed to the virus and most will survive. It's okay to be concerned but it's not okay to panic, everything will be fine.
Total failure at CDC / Trump, missed the boat. Now in containment phase. Our Fukashima pandamic. How would Mexico cope?
Captain Solo
03-18-20, 19:42
Tuesday chicas texted me that HK and Chicago were open on Sunday and Monday but there were virtually no clients. Bars owners were talking about shutting down due to lack of business.
As of today, Baja has ordered schools to close, but only recommends people to avoid bars, not total shutdown. With more confirmed cases expected in Tijuana in the next few days, bars, street girls, massages dens, restaurants, hotels, food carts, stores ect will soon be all shut down in La Zona.
Any bros happen to be in the area please take a few pics of the scene. Would be interesting to see. This pic of the San Ysidro is old, showing workers still putting covers over the SENTRI lanes, and they were blocked. No buenos.
Baja California confirms first two cases of coronavirus.
The state bumped up its response to Phase 2, which includes canceling events and school closures.
By WENDY FRY March 17,20206:46 PM.
BAJA California — Baja California Secretary of Health Alonso Pérez Rico announced Tuesday the first two confirmed cases of coronavirus infection in the Mexican border state.
Pérez said the two cases are both female patients from Mexicali, ages 54 and 58, who had recently traveled to the state of Washington in the United States.
Baja California bumped up its response to Phase 2, which includes canceling events and school closures.
Until Tuesday, Baja California had not documented a single case of the COVID-19, a highly contagious disease caused by a new virus not previously identified in humans.
Cases in San Diego County, just north of Baja California, have been growing rapidly in recent days.
In Baja California, officials have identified 54 suspected cases and ruled out 37 cases as of Tuesday evening. There remain 15 cases where officials are awaiting results. Of those, nine are in Tijuana, one is in Mexicali and five are in Ensenada.
Pérez urged the public to remain calm but continue taking preventative measures, such as social distancing and frequent hand washing.
Schools will be canceled across the state starting Wednesday, a few days earlier than the already scheduled shutdown set to begin Friday, he said.
The secretary, who is also a physician, recommended people avoid bars, restaurants, casinos and gyms to prevent further spread of the coronavirus.
Residents should try to avoid meetings and public places with more than 10 people in attendance, he said.
In Tijuana, state health officials denied assertions that the absence of confirmed local cases indicated they were not adequately testing residents. The agency pointed to testing locations in each city and phone numbers for concerned people to call for testing options.
SIMNSA, a Tijuana medical facility and health plan, has installed tents in the border region to screen the public for possible cases of the coronavirus and has thousands of rapid result testing kits, said its president, Frank Carrillo.
"We're very concerned about the virus here in Tijuana and we want to send a message to the San Diego community that we are taking proactive steps to prevent its spread," said Carrillo.
Carrillo said several of the screening checkpoints will be set up in the northbound pedestrian border crossings.
Border leaders have urged Baja California officials to take the pandemic more seriously. Gustavo de la Fuente, the executive director of the San Diego-Tijuana Smart Border Coalition, said drastic measures need to be taken on both sides of the border to prevent a binational public health crisis.
"Though a facility has been designated to isolate infected patients, Tijuana does not have medical infrastructure to manage an impending surge in people believing they should be tested or for those with the infection," he and others wrote in a commentary for The San Diego Union-Tribune.
"Tellingly, there are no public hand-washing stations. Given how the virus multiplies and the Mexican federal government's lax response to a potential outbreak, we believe faster regional — border-wide — reaction is in order," De La Fuente said.
On Monday, in an interview with the Union-Tribune, Pérez said his department was collaborating daily with health officials in California.
"We have been preparing our population for six weeks" for the likelihood of a coronavirus outbreak, he said.
The health secretary encouraged residents to only travel to the United States for "essential" reasons.
Though Mexican federal health officials have said they would consider closing the border, Pérez said Monday it does not make sense to do so given the current circumstances.
"That does not mean that the situation will not change based on how many cases are presented. " he said. "Of course, the Government of Mexico and especially the State of Baja California will do what is necessary to protect our population. ".
LuvMexicanas
03-18-20, 23:37
I'll be in the Zona by early Thursday evening and will report my observations.
Captain Solo
03-20-20, 02:13
This pic of the San Ysidro crossing, taken around 1:19 PM, showed virtually no cars entering the US, about 1% of the usual traffic.
Border closure is expected to be announced tomorrow Friday. Just hope LuvMex won't be locked down in HK with 100 horny girls for the next 14 days.
US-Mexico border restrictions expected as coronavirus spreads, report says.
PUBLISHED THU, MAR 19 2020 4:19 PM EDTUPDATED 4 HOURS AGO Dan Mangan at _DANMANGAN.
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The United States is expected to announce restrictions on travel across the border with Mexico as part of the effort to stem the tide of the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new report.
The restrictions are expected to be revealed Friday, Reuters reported.
President Donald Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau earlier in the week said were temporarily closing their nations' border — the longest in the world — to non-essential travel.
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View of San Ysidro port of entry as few cars enter the US from Tijuana, Baja California state, Mexico, on March 19,2020.
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The United States is expected to announce restrictions on travel across the border with Mexico as part of the effort to stem the tide of the coronavirus pandemic, according to a new report Thursday.
The restrictions are expected to be revealed Friday, according to the report by the Reuters news agency, which cited two officials familiar with the matter.
Those sources said that the restrictions on the USA -Mexico border would be similar to the agreement with Canada that was announced Wednesday by President Donald Trump.
Trump and and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that day said they were temporarily closing their nations' border — the longest in the world — to non-essential traffic.
On Tuesday, the member countries of the European Union agreed to close their external borders to non-citizens in most cases for one month.
There have been more than 236,000 cases of coronvirus reported worldwide, with at least 9,790 deaths.
In the United States alone, there have been at least 11,238 coronavirus cases, and at least 157 related deaths.
Mexico has 118 confirmed cases, and 1 reported death, according to Johns Hopkins University of Medicine, which has been tracking the spread of coronavirus, and the related disease of COVID-19.
If anyone thinks they got corona already, you are probably lucky. I'm asuming you didn't end up in the hospital. And asuming the docs are correct that you can't get it twice. So now you can go live your life. The rest of us have to hide. Never touch a girl for months. Never talk to girls in bars. Talk to girls on the subway, I just read a article. We could have done close to nothing, and let everyone get this disease 5% will be dead and we go back to normal in 3 months. Instead, thisbwill take 13 months, 1% of population will be dead, as almost everyone will get the disease. So 1% population dead, but we live like hermits for 13 months. Or 5% dead and we go back to normal in 2 or 3 months. . By the way I took off to Florida I couldn't sit in ny room alone for a year. A few bars still open in Florida as is half the beaches. California just banned people from going outside.
Stay in Home order. California.
If anyone thinks they got corona already, you are probably lucky. I'm asuming you didn't end up in the hospital. And asuming the docs are correct that you can't get it twice. So now you can go live your life. The rest of us have to hide. Never touch a girl for months. Never talk to girls in bars. Talk to girls on the subway, I just read a article. We could have done close to nothing, and let everyone get this disease 5% will be dead and we go back to normal in 3 months. Instead, thisbwill take 13 months, 1% of population will be dead, as almost everyone will get the disease. So 1% population dead, but we live like hermits for 13 months. Or 5% dead and we go back to normal in 2 or 3 months. . By the way I took off to Florida I couldn't sit in ny room alone for a year. A few bars still open in Florida as is half the beaches. California just banned people from going outside.
If anyone thinks they got corona already, you are probably lucky. I'm asuming you didn't end up in the hospital. And asuming the docs are correct that you can't get it twice. So now you can go live your life. The rest of us have to hide. Never touch a girl for months. Never talk to girls in bars. Talk to girls on the subway, I just read a article. We could have done close to nothing, and let everyone get this disease 5% will be dead and we go back to normal in 3 months. Instead, thisbwill take 13 months, 1% of population will be dead, as almost everyone will get the disease. So 1% population dead, but we live like hermits for 13 months. Or 5% dead and we go back to normal in 2 or 3 months. . By the way I took off to Florida I couldn't sit in ny room alone for a year. A few bars still open in Florida as is half the beaches. California just banned people from going outside.I don't know about your numbers, but this contagion is being suppressed at the expense of the economy and people's personal liberties because if it isn't, the number of sick will flood and overwhelm the healthcare system. In fact, at the rate that infections keep doubling every few days, it may not be possible to prevent the collapse of the healthcare system even with the measures in place such as lockdowns, etc. I don't know what to say about Floridians, their infections and dead just doubled.
LuvMexicanas
03-20-20, 19:14
Stay in Home order. California.There is no enforcement, as there will be no arrests, citations or fines.
Captain Solo
03-20-20, 22:27
As happened in Europe and Iran, Mexico will have a spike in CoVid19 infections and deaths in 2 to 3 weeks, scientifically unavoidable, regardless what AMLO said.
The costs in health care, death and economic losses will be horrendous and long lasting. Mexican government officials are irrational and are burying their heads in the proverbial sand in the face of danger. Mexicans will have to pay for this pandemic with their lives, health and earnings, and will have good reasons to hate their government leaders.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/mexico-is-frighteningly-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus.html
Mexico Is Frighteningly Unprepared for the Coronavirus.
As the virus spreads, the government is still downplaying the danger.
By JORDI OLIVERES.
March 19,20203:42 PM.
A crowd of concertgoers, some wearing face masks with skull imagery, outside on a sunny day.
Image: The "Vive Latino" music festival at Foro Sol in Mexico City on Saturday. Alejandro Melendez / Getty Images.
Last weekend, 110,000 people attended the "Vive Latino" music festival in Mexico City, which took place as scheduled despite several confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Mexico's capital. At the same time, while governments worldwide took drastic measures to slow down the spread of the disease, Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, known as AMLO, traveled to the south of Mexico and met with adoring crowds, shaking hands and hugging and kissing supporters. During his daily press conferences, AMLO has insisted that his honesty and moral rectitude protect him from the virus and that the threat of COVID-19 is greatly exaggerated. "I have great faith that we will move our dear Mexico forward, that misfortunes and pandemics won't affect us," he told reporters at a press conference on Sunday.
The number of confirmed cases of the coronavirus in Mexico may seem low, but it has grown exponentially over the last week, from eight to 118, and the first death from the disease was reported on Wednesday night. Moreover, Mexico has very limited testing capabilities, and the official statistics are not a reliable indicator of the actual number of cases in the country. Although the government's position is that Mexico is still in "Phase 1" of the pandemic, meaning all diagnosed cases of COVID-19 are people who caught the virus while traveling abroad, most experts agree the virus is already rapidly spreading within Mexico and that the government's nonchalance about the situation could have disastrous results.
"We need political leaders that are properly advised and understand the gravity of the situation," said Jeffrey Sachs, director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University. "A lot of people in Mexico would die unnecessarily unless the government gets very seriously prepared for this. " Getting seriously prepared means taking drastic measures to curb the spread of the virus, bolstering the hospital system, and helping people cope when the economy grinds to a halt.
The Mexican government has not yet imposed any travel restrictions nor encouraged people to stay home, and it seems very unlikely that the public health system, which suffered drastic budget cuts and shortages last year, will be prepared for the magnitude of the imminent crisis.
"The current guidelines are 'wash your hands, don't touch your face, and avoid people who are coughing,' " said Gordon McCord, a professor at the School of Global Policy & Strategy at the University of California San Diego. "We know from the experiences of Asia and Italy that if all you do is avoid people who are coughing, you're going to get an explosion of sick folks in the population, so that's coming. " Italy, which after China has the most confirmed COVID-19 cases and deaths to date, has 340 hospital beds per 100,000 people, which has proved woefully insufficient. Mexico, by comparison, has only 150 hospital beds per 100,000 people, less than half.
Around 5 percent of coronavirus cases become critical, meaning they result in respiratory failure, septic shock, and organ dysfunction. These cases require intensive care to keep the patients alive, which is limited and more expensive. Doctors in Italy, which has an above-average number of intensive care unit beds for European standards (12.5 per 100,000 people), are being forced to decide which patients to keep alive and which ones to let die because there are not enough respirators available for all critical cases. Mexico's public health care system has 3,000 ICU beds in the entire country. That's 2. 3 beds per 100,000 people.
According to a prominent Mexican epidemiologist, who asked to remain anonymous because of possible hostility from government authorities, Mexico will see a spike in coronavirus cases in the next couple of weeks, and within a month the death toll will begin to rise significantly. "It's not that Mexico isn't taking the problem seriously enough. It's that it did not take it seriously when it should have, and now we are starting to see community spread," the doctor said. "From my perspective, we have all the conditions for this to turn into a tragedy, similar to Italy, if not worse."
The government's nonchalance may be the result of previous experience. In 2009, the Mexican government took severe measures to contain the spread of a new strain of swine flu. Public life was virtually shut down in the capital for several weeks, which took its toll on an already struggling economy in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis. Mexico suffered its first recession since 2009 last year, and government officials have indicated they do not want to overreact to the situation out of concern for the country's economy. In a press conference last week, Hugo López-Gatell, Mexico's deputy health minister, told reporters that "the 2009 economic loss was directly related, in the most part, to the disruption of tourism, trade and services. . It is so important, with very careful precision, not to take preemptive actions that do not correspond to the magnitude of the risk. ".
It is unclear how López-Gatell is assessing the magnitude of the current risk when no significant amount of testing has been done on the population. At the end of last week, the government had tested only around 500 patients. By comparison, South Korea, which has had some of the best results controlling the COVID-19 outbreak, has tested 270,000 people. "I'm sympathetic to the desire of the government not to pull the trigger too early while the number of cases are small," said McCord. "But if you're going to do a multiphased approach, there's one thing you absolutely need if you're going to get the timing right, and that's data. Data means mass testing of the population so that you know in real time what's going on in terms of the epidemiology of this disease."
López-Gatell announced this week that the government will spend 3. 5 billion pesos (roughly $147 million) on tests, protective gear, and other equipment to address the pandemic, and that widespread testing will begin next week. The government's equipment purchases are based on an estimate of 250,000 cases of the coronavirus over the course of the pandemic and 10,528 people requiring intensive care. That number seems absurdly low, considering that epidemiologists predict around half of the world's population could get the virus and that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's worst-case scenario estimate for the USA, Mexico's next-door neighbor, is 65 percent of the population getting infected. Based on the CDC's projections, Mexico, which has a population of 130 million, should be planning for a worst-case scenario of 84.5 million infections and 4. 2 million cases that require intensive care.
Some new measures to curb the spread of the virus will be implemented in the next few days—public schools are going on spring break ahead of schedule at the end of the week, most colleges are switching to online classes, and the country's biggest concert promoter canceled all of its shows until mid-April—but the government still insists on delaying more significant measures, like travel restrictions and social distancing. "If one begins these measures too early, one extinguishes the will of society to keep them up," said López-Gatell in a recent press conference. "And although some of those measures might be useful now, they may be even more useful in the future. "
That is simply not true. The more time and opportunity the virus has to spread in the population, the worse the situation is going to be later on. "The more you refrain from the social distancing message now, the longer people feel 'Let's go to the restaurants, bars, beaches one last time'—then the higher the spike will be in two or three weeks when this really hits the health system," said McCord. "And I think everybody senses Mexico is going to be overrun. "
How easy to get this combo Rxs at Tijuana Costco or others0? Cure in 6 days. French Rx based on small study published, and = 40 .
As happened in Europe and Iran, Mexico will have a spike in CoVid19 infections and deaths in 2 to 3 weeks, scientifically unavoidable, regardless what AMLO said.
The costs in health care, death and economic losses will be horrendous and long lasting. Mexican government officials are irrational and are burying their heads in the proverbial sand in the face of danger. Mexicans will have to pay for this pandemic with their lives, health and earnings, and will have good reasons to hate their government leaders.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/mexico-is-frighteningly-unprepared-for-the-coronavirus.html
Mexico Is Frighteningly Unprepared for the Coronavirus.
As the virus spreads, the government is still downplaying the danger.
By JORDI OLIVERES.
March 19,20203:42 PM.
A crowd of concertgoers, some wearing face masks with skull imagery, outside on a sunny day.
Image: The "Vive Latino" music festival at Foro Sol in Mexico City on Saturday. Alejandro Melendez / Getty Images..
Captain Solo
03-21-20, 19:30
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?emc=edit_na_20200321&ref=cta&nl=breaking-news&campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=22518&user_id=0a233880530bbdf528594e1bf1f8295e®i_id=82224936
Italy, Pandemic's New Epicenter, Has Lessons for the World.
By Jason Horowitz, Emma Bubola and Elisabetta Povoledo March 21,2020 Updated 2:23 pm ET.
As Italy's coronavirus infections ticked above 400 cases and deaths hit the double digits, the leader of the governing Democratic Party posted a picture of himself clinking glasses for "an aperitivo in Milan," urging people "not to change our habits."
That was on Feb. 27. Not 10 days later, as the toll hit 5,883 infections and 233 dead, the party boss, Nicola Zingaretti, posted a new video, this time informing Italy that he, too, had the virus.
Italy now has more than 53,000 recorded infections and more than 4,800 dead, and the rate of increase keeps growing, with more than half the cases and fatalities coming in the past week. On Saturday, officials reported 793 additional deaths, by far the largest single-day increase so far. Italy has surpassed China as the country with the highest death toll, becoming the epicenter of a shifting pandemic.
ScatManDoo
03-21-20, 20:04
NYC now 'epicenter' of coronavirus crisis, mayor says; 258 dead in US.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-china-exonerates-whistleblower-doctor-warned/story?id=69702910&cid=clicksource_4380645_2_heads_hero_live_hero_related
The Cor19 attacks the lungs. Normally a breathing respirator helps the patient not choke to death. But with so many patients, access to a respirator is going to be limited. So a patient is fucked if they run out of respirators. NYC now have 10 x the amount of Cor19 patients since 7 days ago. You're going to see some terrible shit in the next couple of weeks.
DramaFree11
03-21-20, 23:07
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?emc=edit_na_20200321&ref=cta&nl=breaking-news&campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=22518&user_id=0a233880530bbdf528594e1bf1f8295e®i_id=82224936
Italy, Pandemic's New Epicenter, Has Lessons for the World.
By Jason Horowitz, Emma Bubola and Elisabetta Povoledo March 21,2020 Updated 2:23 pm ET.
As Italy's coronavirus infections ticked above 400 cases and deaths hit the double digits, the leader of the governing Democratic Party posted a picture of himself clinking glasses for "an aperitivo in Milan," urging people "not to change our habits."
That was on Feb. 27. Not 10 days later, as the toll hit 5,883 infections and 233 dead, the party boss, Nicola Zingaretti, posted a new video, this time informing Italy that he, too, had the virus.
Italy now has more than 53,000 recorded infections and more than 4,800 dead, and the rate of increase keeps growing, with more than half the cases and fatalities coming in the past week. On Saturday, officials reported 793 additional deaths, by far the largest single-day increase so far. Italy has surpassed China as the country with the highest death toll, becoming the epicenter of a shifting pandemic.Sad, but true. Makes no sense, Guys are still going to HK, even after reading all this. This is no joke, I probably got the Virus from HK or traveling, I am lucky, I did not have to go to the hospital, but this knocked me on my ass.
Chinese med team dispatched to Italy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?emc=edit_na_20200321&ref=cta&nl=breaking-news&campaign_id=60&instance_id=0&segment_id=22518&user_id=0a233880530bbdf528594e1bf1f8295e®i_id=82224936
Italy, Pandemic's New Epicenter, Has Lessons for the World.
By Jason Horowitz, Emma Bubola and Elisabetta Povoledo March 21,2020 Updated 2:23 pm ET.
As Italy's coronavirus infections ticked above 400 cases and deaths hit the double digits, the leader of the governing Democratic Party posted a picture of himself clinking glasses for "an aperitivo in Milan," urging people "not to change our habits."
That was on Feb. 27. Not 10 days later, as the toll hit 5,883 infections and 233 dead, the party boss, Nicola Zingaretti, posted a new video, this time informing Italy that he, too, had the virus.
Italy now has more than 53,000 recorded infections and more than 4,800 dead, and the rate of increase keeps growing, with more than half the cases and fatalities coming in the past week. On Saturday, officials reported 793 additional deaths, by far the largest single-day increase so far. Italy has surpassed China as the country with the highest death toll, becoming the epicenter of a shifting pandemic.
Captain Solo
03-22-20, 20:27
Trump has made no offer to help any country but North Korea.
Meanwhile China is making overtures to countries in Europe, potentially getting better trade terms and expanding their exports.
Chinese med team dispatched to Italy.Want to know why Italy is so fucked? Their doctors died off. Yeah Italian doctors under 65 mistakenly believed that the Cor19 was just a bad flu disregarded protection while treating their patients. Once the Italian doctors died off, no one was left to treat their sick. Italy is now pulling medical students out of school to help save their population.
Trump has made no offer to help any country but North Korea.
Meanwhile China is making overtures to countries in Europe, potentially getting better trade terms and expanding their exports.Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.
Early warning ignored by world leaders, CDC, WHO.
Interest case. Negligence China / Xi. Trump / Obama / CDC / WHO / Italian, USA.
Dr Li.
Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.
Captain Solo
03-23-20, 09:40
Drama,
Where you think you picked up the flu or CoronaViris from?
How are you and your parents doing?
Did you take the test?
Did you lose your taste and smell?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-york-surgeon-warns-coronavirus-015200406.html
A person with the common flu will on average pass it to 1.4 people, Professor Hugh Montgomery told Channel 4's "Dispatches" on Sunday. If there are 10 cycles of that interaction, there will be 14 cases of the flu, he calculated.
But the coronavirus is three times as infectious as the flu. So if one person with the coronavirus passes it onto three people, and those three people pass onto three more people for ten cycles, there will be 59,000 infections, he said.
"If you are irresponsible enough to think that you don't mind if you get the flu, remember it's not about you, it's about everybody else," Montgomery said.
ScatManDoo
03-23-20, 14:56
R,
Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.Contrast that with Donald Trump, who for weeks denied the severity & seriousness of the pandemic ("It will blow through once the weather get warmer""Everyone who wants a test can get a test".).
He currently is running daily dog & pony shows he calls daily updates, where the rule of thumb is concealment, not disclosing of how his inaction have left our nation's medical system more vulnerable with predictable shortages that he could have prevented.
DramaFree11
03-23-20, 17:54
Drama,
Where you think you picked up the flu or CoronaViris from?
How are you and your parents doing?
Did you take the test?
Did you lose your taste and smell?Thanks, I am getting better, probably 60%. Parents are still sick, but improving. Spreads quickly, I speak from experience.
Maybe the worst cough of my life. My parents as well, but no fever luckily. All the other symptoms. Yes, lost sense of taste and smell, but was too sick to realize. Working a little so I can not complain, I was lucky. I drive by places of work of my friends work and they no longer have jobs or if lucky working from home.
Thanks, I am getting better, probably 60%. Parents are still sick, but improving. Spreads quickly, I speak from experience.
Maybe the worst cough of my life. My parents as well, but no fever luckily. All the other symptoms. Yes, lost sense of taste and smell, but was too sick to realize. Working a little so I can not complain, I was lucky. I drive by places of work of my friends work and they no longer have jobs or if lucky working from home.The three highest way to get the virus is by family, friends or co-workers. Gov is doing a research on the why right now to pinpoint the root cause why his virus is super-contageous.
Captain Solo
03-23-20, 18:21
Drama,
You have most of CoVid19 symptoms.
It spreads quickly to your parents, and others too.
I suspect Tijuana bars will all shut down soon.
Corona virus my 2 cents. I have Chinese friends and I like Chinese food but c`mon this Chinese communist government is too crazy! They hid this epidemic for several weeks. A group of idiots in Wuhan disturbs life all over the planet. The governments of the US, Italy, the European Union, airlines, cruise ships companies etc. Should start a lawsuit in the world court in The Hague, the Netherlands against the Chinese government for trillions of dollars in damages and terminate all business contracts. We have one planet and we have to be responsible what we do.Probably. But calling it the Chinese virus or putting the blame in the middle of the crisis is resulting in a great rise in racism against Asian Americans such as myself who is neither Chinese nor want to do anything with China. So much so that I've dusted off my 9 mm peashooter just in case I am unable to reach the trunk of my car to access my diplomacy kit.
Captain Solo
03-23-20, 23:48
Jackie has a good beef here. A Chinese female student in Washington reported being verbally abused and spit on by a stranger on the street. She was assaulted but went to a quiet corner and cried to herself. This is why American women became a lot tougher, having to fight off rude, stupid, offensive. They would have kicked this asshole's balls in.
I would suggest anyone abused and assaulted to fight back, grab hold of the offenders, kick them in their balls and scream for help. That would put them in prison to get a few doses of personal CoVid19 every day.
But the chicas told me Jackie looks more like tough guy Kim Jong Un, who's still trying to hide the millions North Koreans infected, sick and dead from the rest of the word. Jackie would be feared anywhere he goes in the world.
DramaFree11
03-24-20, 02:54
Drama,
You have most of CoVid19 symptoms.
It spreads quickly to your parents, and others too.
I suspect Tijuana bars will all shut down soon.I am amazed HK is still open, but hopefully Mexico will be spared the same fate as parts of Europe. Interesting observations, whether I got sick from my parents or the opposite. We had not seen each other in 8 months, after meeting we were all sick within 24 hours. My guys that work with me that are all Hispanic and I am around much more then my parents, including when I was sick. None of them or there families are sick. The girls I know from MTY and other places in Mexico none of them are sick. 2 of them I had sex with a few days prior to getting sick, so maybe some good news.
Dickus Maximus
03-24-20, 20:46
Probably. But calling it the Chinese virus or putting the blame in the middle of the crisis is resulting in a great rise in racism against Asian Americans such as myself who is neither Chinese nor want to do anything with China. So much so that I've dusted off my 9 mm peashooter just in case I am unable to reach the trunk of my car to access my diplomacy kit.Let's call it the CCP virus. Its not the Chinese people's fault, its their government that hid it and let it get out of control.
As far as the news reports, they always try to AMP up the hostility. One racist asshole doesn't doesn't stand for all, most or even many of us. I feel bad for the girl, but the news probably wouldn't report if someone slapped that asshole down. I know I wouldn't have tolerated someone doing that if I was standing by.
Let's call it the CCP virus. Its not the Chinese people's fault, its their government that hid it and let it get out of control.
As far as the news reports, they always try to AMP up the hostility. One racist asshole doesn't doesn't stand for all, most or even many of us. I feel bad for the girl, but the news probably wouldn't report if someone slapped that asshole down. I know I wouldn't have tolerated someone doing that if I was standing by.What ever anyone wants to call it, I'm conceal carrying again. Fuck this shit. My warning shots are to the kneecaps because I am such a nice guy.
Recent article on attacks on Asians. . .
The New York Times just ran a 2,000-word story about East Asians being "Spit on, yelled at, attacked" by persons who blame them for the coronavirus. But who are those persons?
For deeper insights into the matter I refer readers to Ying Ma's 2011 book Chinese Girl in the Ghetto, mentioned by us here (2006), here (2010), here (2011), and here (2017) . . . Ma's new book, Chinese Girl in the Ghetto, is partly about how a girl growing up in post-Mao China took advantage of the freedom and opportunity she found in the United States. But it is also about the daily racism and harassment she. And many other Asians. Experience in the (ghetto of Oakland).
https://vdare.com/posts/east-asian-americans-under-attack-but-who-are-the-attackers
Jackie has a good beef here. A Chinese female student in Washington reported being verbally abused and spit on by a stranger on the street. She was assaulted but went to a quiet corner and cried to herself. This is why American women became a lot tougher, having to fight off rude, stupid, offensive. They would have kicked this asshole's balls in.
I would suggest anyone abused and assaulted to fight back, grab hold of the offenders, kick them in their balls and scream for help. That would put them in prison to get a few doses of personal CoVid19 every day.
But the chicas told me Jackie looks more like tough guy Kim Jong Un, who's still trying to hide the millions North Koreans infected, sick and dead from the rest of the word. Jackie would be feared anywhere he goes in the world.
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ScatManDoo
03-29-20, 21:50
If there is anything good to report about the Corona virus:
It seems to be killing off a lot of "C-list" and "D-list" actors and celebrities.
While treating the A-list celebrities better (example: Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson).
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-birx-predicts-200-000-115800421.html
Best case scenario is 100,000-200,000 Americans killed. This is coming from Trump's team. In the USA, the richest and best medical care country in the entire fucking world.
Want to know what will happen to the people of Tijuana when we import the Covid-19 to them? Oh yeah, the Mexicans are a tough race. That went pretty well for the Incas too.
Stay at home. Do your fucking part.
KC Questor
03-30-20, 21:10
best medical care country in the entire fucking world."Best medical care" if you are among those who can afford it. In much of the developed world, the United States is considered a backwards country medically. A few weeks ago (before the quarantine was in place everywhere), the Norway Ministry of Foreign Affairs advised students outside the country to return home if they were in "a country with poorly developed health services and infrastructure and / or collective infrastructure, for example the USA. ".
https://twitter.com/JeremyKlemin/status/1239218272521859073
Yeah, if you can afford the Mayo Clinic or Johns Hopkins you are in the best hands in the world. But most of us are in for a world of hurt because the average medical care in the US is at third world level. It's why I and millions of other Americans regularly travel to MEXICO (and Canada) for health care.
Captain Solo
03-30-20, 21:29
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-el-chapo-mother-mexico
Andrés Manuel López Obrador.
Mexican president ignores coronavirus restrictions to greet El Chapo's mother.
Andrés Manuel López Obrador provokes perplexity and scorn with visit to drug lord's home town in Sinaloa.
Tom Phillips, Latin America correspondent Mon 30 Mar 2020 10.21 EDTLast modified on Mon 30 Mar 2020 15.57 EDT.
President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, according to one Mexican journalist, 'failed to keep a healthy distance – in more than one sense'. Photograph: Henry Romero / Reuters.
Mexico's president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, has sparked perplexity and scorn by visiting the home town of his country's most infamous drug lord and greeting the gangster's mother – despite a plea from his own government for Mexicans to stay indoors.
Mexico's deputy health minister on Saturday implored the country's 130 million citizens not to leave home in an "urgent" bid to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Coronavirus advice from Mexico's president: 'Live life as usual'.
But less than 24 hours later López Obrador ignored that advice and journeyed to Badiraguato – the birthplace and former stomping ground of Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmáand, the world-famous narco boss who was last year jailed for life in the United States.
Located in the northern state of Sinaloa, Badiraguato is part of Mexico's so-called Golden Triangle, a poor and mountainous marijuana- and poppy-growing region long at the heart of the country's drug trade.
The controversy did not end there. Video footage that went viral on Sunday evening showed the leftwing populist – who most call Amlo – shaking the hand of El Chapo's elderly mother, María Consuelo Loera Pérez, as she sat in her car.
"Don't get out," Amlo can be heard telling the 92-year-old woman, before adding: "I got your letter. ".
Also visible in the footage, putting his arm around Mexico's president, is a man identified as José Luis González Meza, a Guzmáand family representative.
Amlo has been widely criticised for his lackadaisical response to coronavirus, and his outing sparked further anger – with many noting that the visit had coincided with the 30th birthday of El Chapo's son, Ovidio Guzmáand López.
Last October heavily armed cartel gunmen brought Sinaloa's capital, Culiacáand, to a standstill in order to secure Ovidio's release after his home was raided by the army.
"It is very hard to understand what the president did today in Badiraguato," tweeted the Mexican journalist Pascal Beltráand del areío. Amlo had "failed to keep a healthy distance – in more than one sense", he added.
Marko Cortés, an opposition leader from the National Action party (Pan), described the meeting as an insult to victims of Mexico's cartels and members of the armed forces who were risking their lives to tackle them. "You must urgently explain your connection to this family," Cortés tweeted.
Ioan Grillo, the author of the book El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, said Amlo's visit was a mistake.
"he needs to be 100% leading the country in the fight against the pandemic. This is a terrible way to distract from it. None of this helps Amlo or the country," Grillo added.
Amlo, who was making his second visit to Badiraguato since taking power in 2018, has pledged to lift the long-neglected drug-producing region out of poverty.
Writing on Twitter, Mexico's leader said he visited the Sierra Madre region "to connect with marginalized communities and villages".
Amlo defended his actions at a press conference in Mexico City on Monday morning dismissing the "scandal" he claimed only Mexican conservatives were making over his encounter with El Chapo's mother.
"They told me she was there and wanted to greet me so I got out of my truck and greeted her. She's a 92-year-old woman," Mexico's president said.
Corruption was Mexico's "plague", Amlo insisted, "not a pensioner who deserves my full respect. Whoever her son might be".
"Sometimes, because it's my job, I have to give my hand to white-collar criminals" Amlo added. "So how could I not give it to an old lady?
Mexico's presidency later published the letter El Chapo's mother had sent to Amlo on March 20.
In it she lamented being denied a visa to see her son in the United States and pleaded with Amlo – who she called her "brother in Christ" –- to help her visit. "It's been more than five years since I've seen him," she wrote.
Additional reporting David Agren.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-el-chapo-mother-mexico
Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador.
Mexican president ignores coronavirus restrictions to greet El Chapo's mother.
Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador provokes perplexity and scorn with visit to drug lord's home town in Sinaloa.
Tom Phillips, Latin America correspondent Mon 30 Mar 2020 10.21 EDTLast modified on Mon 30 Mar 2020 15.57 EDT.
President Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador, according to one Mexican journalist, 'failed to keep a healthy distance in more than one sense'. Photograph: Henry Romero / Reuters.
Mexico's president, Andrs Manuel Lpez Obrador, has sparked perplexity and scorn by visiting the home town of his country's most infamous drug lord and greeting the gangster's mother despite a plea from his own government for Mexicans to stay indoors.
Mexico's deputy health minister on Saturday implored the country's 130 million citizens not to leave home in an "urgent" bid to stop the spread of coronavirus.
Coronavirus advice from Mexico's president: 'Live life as usual'.
But less than 24 hours later Lpez Obrador ignored that advice and journeyed to Badiraguato the birthplace and former stomping ground of Joaqun "El Chapo" Guzmand, the world-famous narco boss who was last year jailed for life in the United States.
Located in the northern state of Sinaloa, Badiraguato is part of Mexico's so-called Golden Triangle, a poor and mountainous marijuana- and poppy-growing region long at the heart of the country's drug trade.
The controversy did not end there. Video footage that went viral on Sunday evening showed the leftwing populist who most call Amlo shaking the hand of El Chapo's elderly mother, Mara Consuelo Loera Prez, as she sat in her car.
"Don't get out," Amlo can be heard telling the 92-year-old woman, before adding: "I got your letter. ".
Also visible in the footage, putting his arm around Mexico's president, is a man identified as Jos Luis Gonzlez Meza, a Guzmand family representative.
Amlo has been widely criticised for his lackadaisical response to coronavirus, and his outing sparked further anger with many noting that the visit had coincided with the 30th birthday of El Chapo's son, Ovidio Guzmand Lpez.
Last October heavily armed cartel gunmen brought Sinaloa's capital, Culiacand, to a standstill in order to secure Ovidio's release after his home was raided by the army.
"It is very hard to understand what the president did today in Badiraguato," tweeted the Mexican journalist Pascal Beltrand del areo. Amlo had "failed to keep a healthy distance in more than one sense", he added.
Marko Corts, an opposition leader from the National Action party (Pan), described the meeting as an insult to victims of Mexico's cartels and members of the armed forces who were risking their lives to tackle them. "You must urgently explain your connection to this family," Corts tweeted.
Ioan Grillo, the author of the book El Narco: Inside Mexico's Criminal Insurgency, said Amlo's visit was a mistake.
"he needs to be 100% leading the country in the fight against the pandemic. This is a terrible way to distract from it. None of this helps Amlo or the country," Grillo added.
Amlo, who was making his second visit to Badiraguato since taking power in 2018, has pledged to lift the long-neglected drug-producing region out of poverty.
Writing on Twitter, Mexico's leader said he visited the Sierra Madre region "to connect with marginalized communities and villages".
Amlo defended his actions at a press conference in Mexico City on Monday morning dismissing the "scandal" he claimed only Mexican conservatives were making over his encounter with El Chapo's mother.
"They told me she was there and wanted to greet me so I got out of my truck and greeted her. She's a 92-year-old woman," Mexico's president said.
Corruption was Mexico's "plague", Amlo insisted, "not a pensioner who deserves my full respect. Whoever her son might be".
"Sometimes, because it's my job, I have to give my hand to white-collar criminals" Amlo added. "So how could I not give it to an old lady?
Mexico's presidency later published the letter El Chapo's mother had sent to Amlo on March 20.
In it she lamented being denied a visa to see her son in the United States and pleaded with Amlo who she called her "brother in Christ" - to help her visit. "It's been more than five years since I've seen him," she wrote.
Additional reporting David Agren.This is absolutely disgusting. I just lost all faith and respect for amlo. He basically just endorsed narco cartel hyper extreme violence and murder rate. All the Mexican cops who risk their necks every day fighting the cartels and this bastard has the nerve to pay a friendly visit to El chapo's mother of all people?! That's just a big slap in the face to all the people who've suffered due to cartel violence.
It's like the dirty filthy cops who sit across the street watching out for the drug pushers in the Zona. That drug money goes to the cartels to buy more guns and bullets that will eventually be used to kill. Cops. Just a few weeks ago in TJ some hitmen ambushed like four cops eating at a taco stand. I think even the taco stand worker got shot.
Captain Solo
03-31-20, 23:40
Jinxx.
You got it right.
El Presidente publicly hangs out with top drugs cartel bosses, allegedly celebrating El Chapo's oldest son Olivio's 30th birthday, helps El Chapo's mother visit him in US prison. He's in effect saying it's OK for the cartels to corrupt Mexicans with drugs addiction, traffic drugs to the US and commit extreme violence and evils against the population.
None of his socio-economic reforms, promised in his election campaign, was ever started. Mexico will be hit hard by CoVid19 with his BS faith-based solutions and will slide further backward. He's flushing Mexico down the toilet faster than previous corrupt presidentes.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/new-cdc-report-finds-covid-19-can-be-spread-13-days-before-onset-of-symptoms-174344709.html
New CDC report finds COVID-19 can be spread 1-3 days before onset of symptoms.
'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says.
"Malaria drug hydroxychloroquine continues to dominate the headlines after many success stories from doctors in the front line. This evening, a renowned infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith, said he and his team have treated over the 50 patients with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Smith is the founder of the Smith Center for Infectious Diseases in New Jersey.
Tonight, Dr. Smith shared his findings among COVID-19 patients in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. Dr. Smith pointed out that not a single patient, COVID-19 patient, that has been under hydroxychloroquine regimen has had to to be intubated. Dr. Smith said that they had 20 intubations that all occurred within two days and more importantly, no person who received hydroxychloroquine for 5 days or more had been intubated.
Dr. Smith added that the chance of intubation happening, based on the stat done by his son, is a ridiculously low number of about 0.000 something percent. Dr. Smith said his team's data support the data from French study led by the famous French researcher Dr. Didier Raoult.
In closing, Dr. Smith said: "Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and 'the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic. " Dr. Stephen Smith is an infectious disease specialist in Roseland, New Jersey and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area. He has been in practice for more than 20 years.
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/01/hydroxychloroquine-game-changer-beginning-end-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-disease-specialist-dr-stephen-smith-says/
'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says.This article from some website I've never heard of, sounds like quack science to me. The New York Times, however is reporting that "A group of moderately ill people were given hydroxychloroquine, which appeared to ease their symptoms quickly, but more research is needed. ".
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-malaria.html
ClamSlammer
04-02-20, 10:40
'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says...100% Fox News propaganda. This Smith guy is a fucking idiot. You don't go around touting you found the cure to one of the greatest pandemics in modern history when you've had 2 months to study the virus. And his sample size was what 50? What were the results of the control group? And the placebo group? You didn't hear him mentioning any of that did you? Probably didn't even have them. The whole "study" is nothing but a propaganda piece designed to give Trump cover for his reckless statements about this drug. A Fox News viewer in AZ actually took Doctor Trump's advice and ingested fish tank cleaner and wound up killing himself.
As of Thursday April 2, the Covid 19 is killing about 1,000 Americans each day. And increasing.
Re the Hydrochloroquinne, it can put a hole in some of your organs and kill some people too. Doctors have to monitor you very closely to ensure your stomach isn't bleeding when you take it. Will it work? The jury is still out. Maybe. If you don't die from the side effects.
We probably want to try the least invasive treatment first, like staying home and jacking off to porn. Hairy palms and temporary blindness is temporary I hear.
'Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic,' Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Stephen Smith says.
"Malaria drug hydroxychloroquine continues to dominate the headlines after many success stories from doctors in the front line. This evening, a renowned infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith, said he and his team have treated over the 50 patients with hydroxychloroquine. Dr. Smith is the founder of the Smith Center for Infectious Diseases in New Jersey.
Tonight, Dr. Smith shared his findings among COVID-19 patients in an interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham. Dr. Smith pointed out that not a single patient, COVID-19 patient, that has been under hydroxychloroquine regimen has had to to be intubated. Dr. Smith said that they had 20 intubations that all occurred within two days and more importantly, no person who received hydroxychloroquine for 5 days or more had been intubated.
Dr. Smith added that the chance of intubation happening, based on the stat done by his son, is a ridiculously low number of about 0.000 something percent. Dr. Smith said his team's data support the data from French study led by the famous French researcher Dr. Didier Raoult.
In closing, Dr. Smith said: "Hydroxychloroquine is a game changer and 'the beginning of the end coronavirus pandemic. " Dr. Stephen Smith is an infectious disease specialist in Roseland, New Jersey and is affiliated with multiple hospitals in the area. He has been in practice for more than 20 years.
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/01/hydroxychloroquine-game-changer-beginning-end-coronavirus-pandemic-infectious-disease-specialist-dr-stephen-smith-says/First I, and the rest of the world, would love this to be true! However if it was on FOX news you can throw it in the trash! When it starts to be reported and verified by reputable News sources then we can start to believe it. FOX is a TRUMP mouthpiece and the only reason it could have been reported by them is that TRUMP said it in a briefing and they have to support it.
Dcrist0527
04-02-20, 15:13
First I, and the rest of the world, would love this to be true! However if it was on FOX news you can throw it in the trash! When it starts to be reported and verified by reputable News sources then we can start to believe it. FOX is a TRUMP mouthpiece and the only reason it could have been reported by them is that TRUMP said it in a briefing and they have to support it.While I don't disagree with your premise, my hope is that everyone evaluates facts on their merit, not on the reporting outlet. Fox's biased pro-Trump agenda is matched by MSNBC and CNN's anti-Trump bias. This phenomenon goes far beyond Coronavirus. As for the actual point, hydroxychloroquine's benefits are documented beyond the reach of Fox, CNN and others. The results are promising. Admittedly, these are not fully scientific tests. Frankly, we don't have 2 years to research the benefits. So the very promising results must be tempered. But, this is not a new drug. So I personally believe these applications of this drug is wise.
Is this a game changer? It's not a vaccine, it is a treatment. So while it may not end the outbreak, if it limits the death and extreme impact, I'm all for it.
Lastly, to your point about Fox, and I would include ALL media. They are hyping up this hysteria. At this point, I think their focus has been warranted. But your reaction makes me wonder how responsible the media will be if and when we can end this.
First I, and the rest of the world, would love this to be true! However if it was on FOX news you can throw it in the trash! When it starts to be reported and verified by reputable News sources then we can start to believe it. FOX is a TRUMP mouthpiece and the only reason it could have been reported by them is that TRUMP said it in a briefing and they have to support it.Wow, that's some serious TDS man. This was in the NYT yesterday. Better now?
Got to set aside the partisan instincts right now and look for quality info regardless of the source. Which is not a license to set aside the scientific method or relax critical thinking.
Captain Solo
04-02-20, 22:07
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-28-texas-spring-breakers-test-positive-covid-19-after-n1173231
28 University of Texas spring breakers test positive for COVID-19 after group trip to Mexico.
The group traveled together on a chartered plane to Mexico about a week and a half ago.
March 31,2020, 11:02 AM PDT / Updated March 31,2020, 12:23 PM PDT By Ben Kesslen.
More than two dozen University of Texas at Austin spring breakers tested positive for COVID-19 following a spring break trip to Mexico, university and Austin public health officials said Tuesday.
About 70 young adults traveled together on a chartered plane to Cabo San Lucas about a week and a half ago, the Austin Public Health Department said in a statement. Since their return, 28 students have tested positive for COVID-19, while "dozens more are under public health investigation. " City officials said that four of the confirmed patients showed no symptoms and that they have launched an investigation into the entire cluster.
UT Austin said that all 28 who tested positive are students at the school but that it could not confirm whether the entire group was made up of students. The city and the university contacted every spring breaker who went on the chartered plane after receiving the flight manifest from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and are closely monitoring them. UT Austin, which has moved classes online amid the pandemic, told NBC News in a statement that the incident is a "reminder of the vital importance" of heeding public health warnings.
Those in the cluster with confirmed cases are self-isolating, while many others are being tested and are under quarantine, the city said. Mexico was not under a federal travel advisory when the spring breakers left, but the city said residents should follow CDC guidelines that make it clear that people should travel only for "essential purposes."
The news comes as spring breakers have faced intense backlash for continuing to vacation despite the pandemic, and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has been criticized for allowing spring break to continue by failing to close the state's beaches.
Texas has 3,403 reported cases of the coronavirus, including 54 deaths, as of Tuesday.
ClamSlammer
04-02-20, 22:41
While I don't disagree with your premise, my hope is that everyone evaluates facts on their merit, not on the reporting outlet. Fox's biased pro-Trump agenda is matched by MSNBC and CNN's anti-Trump bias. This phenomenon goes far beyond Coronavirus. As for the actual point, hydroxychloroquine's benefits are documented beyond the reach of Fox, CNN and others. The results are promising. Admittedly, these are not fully scientific tests. Frankly, we don't have 2 years to research the benefits. So the very promising results must be tempered. But, this is not a new drug. So I personally believe these applications of this drug is wise.
Is this a game changer? It's not a vaccine, it is a treatment. So while it may not end the outbreak, if it limits the death and extreme impact, I'm all for it.
Lastly, to your point about Fox, and I would include ALL media. They are hyping up this hysteria. At this point, I think their focus has been warranted. But your reaction makes me wonder how responsible the media will be if and when we can end this.While I agree that all most media outlets may be biased at times, your comparison of Fox vs CNN / MSNBC is hopelessly uneducated. There's a difference between opinion pieces and actual news. CNN / MSNBC report actual news. Unbiased based on the highest journalistic standards. Fox's news is tremendously biased and omits a tremendous amount of pertinent factual information. Not omitting important facts would countermand their purpose of being a Trump / RNC propaganda outlet. Now as far as opinion pieces, CNN / MSNBC have an anti-Trump sentiment, yes. But any reputable opinion piece on Trump would have to be anti-Trump due to the exorbitant amount of lies and corruption of the current administration. But they're opinion pieces are still based on 100% facts and not lies. Fox, in their opinion pieces, lie for the President and omit many facts that would cast light on Trump's constant lies. Sean Hannity is a prime example. After years of Hannity crying about political bias influencing FISA warrants, IG Horowitz released the results of his investigation, stating that:
"We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions".
So that proved Hannity wrong, dead wrong. So what was Hannity's reaction?
"Everything we have been reporting for years was dead on accurate. We were right every step of the way. ".
This is a typical example of the modus operandi of Fox News. Ignore truth. Spin lies that can't be spun.
Let me include another example. The other day, the Trump administration flat out lied to the American people which will result in a tremendous amount of deaths. Trump's hand-picked Surgeon General flat-out lied to the American people putting them at tremendous risk for contracting Covid and said that N95 masks do not protect normal people from getting infected. Yet in the same breath he said that medical staff desperately need those masks. So he's essentially saying the Covid virus can determine a person's occupation and only chooses to try and infect doctors. Only a Fox News viewer can believe such a ridiculously obvious lie. You see, when you have someone at the top who lies like a rug, the staffers below see that and think it is normal and acceptable behavior. The evidence is undisputed-masks tremendously aid in preventing the transmission of coronavirus and just about every other pathogen out there. Yet Trump directs his Surgeon General to do what he himself does best-lie to the American people.
Fox's piece on the fish tank cleaner being a "game changer" is an obvious propaganda piece. No medical professional is ignorant enough to make such an ignorant claim after only 2 months of study. It could hold promise but to proclaim that it is a "game changer" and the "end of the pandemic" is just so ridiculously a political cover story propaganda piece obviously coordinated with the White House that it should just be laughed at and not taken seriously.
Captain Solo
04-02-20, 23:04
Lots of guys are showing symptoms of severe withdrawal from the sexy companies of Tijuana chicas.
They cannot deny that regular visits with Tijuana chicas are essential for their physical, mental health and overall well being.
I know a few MDs who prescribe therapy regimes of weekly visits with Tijuana chicas to cure ills, improve and maintain health. These MDs also prescribe the same regime for themselves hehe.
Jinxx.
You got it right.
El Presidente publicly hangs out with top drugs cartel bosses, allegedly celebrating El Chapo's oldest son Olivio's 30th birthday, helps El Chapo's mother visit him in US prison. He's in effect saying it's OK for the cartels to corrupt Mexicans with drugs addiction, traffic drugs to the US and commit extreme violence and evils against the population.
None of his socio-economic reforms, promised in his election campaign, was ever started. Mexico will be hit hard by CoVid19 with his BS faith-based solutions and will slide further backward. He's flushing Mexico down the toilet faster than previous corrupt presidentes.While disturbing to hear, one way to look at Mexico's president is, his job is to do what's best for all of mexico. Therefore he needs to have open communication and show respect, to mexicos other government which is the cartel. It's not going away, it's more powerful than the federal government in some ways, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. Trump has to meet and play nice with and Korea's leader. Alot work goes into trying to keep some sense of peace in any country.
Dcrist0527
04-03-20, 03:49
While disturbing to hear, one way to look at Mexico's president is, his job is to do what's best for all of mexico. Therefore he needs to have open communication and show respect, to mexicos other government which is the cartel. It's not going away, it's more powerful than the federal government in some ways, like the Taliban in Afghanistan. Trump has to meet and play nice with and Korea's leader. Alot work goes into trying to keep some sense of peace in any country.So what exactly did AMLO gain by this? The cartels are going to slaughter fewer rivals? No. AMLO already brags about hugs, not bullets for the traffickers. AMLO has only hurt his credibility even more in a country ravaged by inter-cartel violence.
CNN / MSNBC report actual news. Unbiased based on the highest journalistic standards.
TL; DR: TDS.
We need to get back to screwing or we'll be at each other's throats.
Dcrist0527
04-03-20, 13:30
While I agree that all most media outlets may be biased at times, your comparison of Fox vs CNN / MSNBC is hopelessly uneducated. There's a difference between opinion pieces and actual news. CNN / MSNBC report actual news. Unbiased based on the highest journalistic standards.We're getting way too close to a political argument. But if you think CNN, MSNBC have the highest journalistic standards, you need to raise your standards. They do the same thing Fox does in reverse. They bury good news stories and focus on the bad. Fox ignores anything derogatory about Trump and focuses on the good. It's not just how they report it. It is what they report. For every Hannity, there is a Brian Williams.
You are not going to hear me sing the praises of Fox, Hannity and that group. But I won't fool myself into believing the others "have the highest journalistic standards. " That's laughable.
I watch Fox when I want to know about my portfolio. That is about it.
Watch Fox on the Covid-19, and you are going to die from their fuckhead opinions on their fake flu.
Captain Solo
04-03-20, 23:56
Jackie 's going to have a fake death by his fake flu with Fox's fake news while his puta has her fake orgasm.
I watch Fox when I want to know about my portfolio. That is about it.
Captain Solo
04-04-20, 06:30
44 now. This proves you can quickly get infected with this CoVid in Mexico.
https://www.kut.org/post/44-70-austinites-who-flew-mexico-spring-break-have-now-tested-positive-covid-19
See the attached image if it comes through. A little news bias chart that's good to check out from time to time. One could argue whoever put it together was "bias" but there is probably more truth in it's perspective than fake news is my guess.
As they say. You are what you eat.
https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28
Goyo.
The coronavirus entered Milwaukee from a white, affluent suburb. Then it took root in the city's black community and erupted. As public health officials watched cases rise in March, too many in the community shrugged off the warnings. Rumors and conspiracy theories proliferated on social media, pushing the bogus idea that black people are somehow immune to the disease.
As of Friday morning, African Americans made up almost half of Milwaukee County's 945 cases and 81% of its deaths in a county whose population is 26% black.
In Michigan, where the state's population is 14% black, African Americans made up 35% of cases and 40% of deaths. In New Orleans, 40% of the state's deaths have happened in Orleans Parish, where the majority of residents are black. The Connecticut Mirror.
Commenters: 40% of African American males and females have high blood pressure.
African Americans are 60% more likely to have Type II Diabetes.
40% of African American men and women over 30 are obese.
Just remember, one out of twenty AAs in DC are HIV+, and that's just the ones who bothered to get tested. No telling what the real infection rate is.
If you are obese, have diabetes or high blood pressure. Shelter in quarantine and wear a mask and gloves.
I have family working in health care. They told me to avoid people the next two weeks. The reason is it will be peak of the incubation period for the people that has the Covid-19. People in the ICU will start dying in mass. And people who are carrying the virus but are not that sick will be at their peak contagion.
Eurekalert .
04/06/2020.
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS.
Both surgical and cotton masks were found to be ineffective for preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19. A study conducted at two hospitals in Seoul, South Korea, found that when COVID-19 patients coughed into either type of mask, droplets of virus were released to the environment and external mask surface. A brief research report is published in Annals of Internal Medicine.
During respiratory viral infection, face masks are thought to prevent transmission, leading health care experts to recommend their use during the COVID-19 pandemic. With a shortage of both N95 and surgical masks, which have been shown to prevent the spread of influenza virus, cotton masks have gained interest as a substitute. However, it is not known if surgical or cotton masks worn by patients with COVID-19 prevent contamination of the environment.
Researchers from Asan Medical Center, University of Ulsan College of Medicine, Seoul, South Korea instructed 4 patients with COVID-19 to cough 5 times each onto a petri dish while wearing the following sequence of masks: no mask, surgical mask, cotton mask, and again with no mask. Mask surfaces were swabbed with aseptic Dacron swabs in the following sequence: outer surface of surgical mask, inner surface of surgical mask, outer surface of cotton mask, and inner surface of cotton mask. The researchers found SARS COV-2 on all surfaces. These findings suggest that recommendations to wear face masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19 may not be effective. . . ".
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-04/acop-nsn040620.php
Contra: Masks help you to not touch your mouth or nose.
As long as you handle the mask properly (don't touch the inside of the mask when doffing, it can be an effective tool as part of a tool box to minimize potential infection.
And it is better than nothing.
"3 Weeks Ago Newsom Said 25.5 Million People in California Would be Infected with Coronavirus Over 8-Week Period. Actual Number Today? 15,247.
Three weeks ago Governor Gavin Newsom projected that 56% of California's population — or 25.5 million people will be infected with the Wuhan Coronavirus over an 8-week period.
Since we are nearly at the halfway point of Newsom's prediction, we thought we would check in.
As of Monday morning, California has 15,247 confirmed COVID-19 infections and 350 deaths — OUT OF about 40 million people!
California is one of the largest economies in the world, yet the entire state has been virtually shut down because 0.04%. Of the population has confirmed infections and 0. 0009%. Of the population has died from the virus. . . "
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/3-weeks-ago-newsom-said-25-5-million-people-california-infected-coronavirus-8-week-period-actual-number-today-15247/
Eurekalert .
04/06/2020.
AMERICAN COLLEGE OF PHYSICIANS.
Both surgical and cotton masks were found to be ineffective for preventing the dissemination of SARS-CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19. A study conducted at two hospitals in Seoul, South Korea, found that when COVID-19 patients coughed into either type of mask, droplets of virus were released to the environment and external mask surface. A brief research report is published in Annals of Internal Medicine.
During respiratory viral infection, face masks are thought to prevent transmission, leading health care experts to recommend their use during the COVID-19 pandemic. With a shortage of both N95 and surgical masks, which have been shown to prevent the spread of influenza virus, cotton masks have gained interest as a substitute. However, it is not known if surgical or cotton masks worn by patients with COVID-19 prevent contamination of the environment.."May not" is either a cover your ass disclaimer, or they are uncertain. If I don't have an N19, I would wear anything including a cotton or surgical or even a scarf, plus glasses to protect my eyes. That should protect me from an accidental sneeze. I can always remove the mask immediately after getting sneezed on.
But right now we are approaching the peak of the contagion, I would just stay inside.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-144532120.html
A majority of people infected with the Covid-19 show no symptoms or little symptoms. And for the deniers, the Covid-19 is now killing more than 1,200 Americans each day. Well sort of because we don't test dead people that died in their homes since we are short on test kits.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-bmj-study-suggests-78-144532120.html
A majority of people infected with the Covid-19 show no symptoms or little symptoms. And for the deniers, the Covid-19 is now killing more than 1,200 Americans each day. Well sort of because we don't test dead people that died in their homes since we are short on test kits.The majority of infections result in mild or maybe no symptoms. Yet it's killing everybody. People are dying in their houses, untreated, from the virus. Yet those people aren't tested because we don't test dead people. Yet we know they died of the virus.
Am I the only one having difficulty following the logic here?
Vendors in Soroti Main Market have deployed bouncers to enforce safety measures against the spread of coronavirus. The bouncers are tasked to deny customers who refuse to wash hands access to the market.
Mr George William Eriebat, the chairperson of Soroti Market Vendors Association, said the initiative was taken following concerns that some customers were rushing past handwashing facilities.
"You will not know who is infected with the virus. The best is to observe hygiene by frequently washing hands but some people have been ignoring that," Mr Eriebat said.
"If you do not want to wash your hands, you go back to your home other than spreading the coronavirus," Mr Enangu said. The vendors have placed handwashing facilities in different spots of the market. They have also barricaded their lockups as a measure for social distancing to prevent customers from getting into contact with them and their commodities.
Mr Peter Okoth, one of the bouncers, said their purpose is basically to counter indisciplined customers who try to defy the order. "Those who try to defy the regulations at the entrance will be denied any entry to the market," he said. . . "
Seems clubs and restaurants in Tijuana should be enforcing hand washing and IR thermometer forehead fever checks at the door so the customers can come back without worries. . .
I was in a San Diego store that had hand disinfectant at the door so customers could do this. . .
Under reporting the COVID 19 death, lack of tested individuals. Home death would not be considered COVID 19 death, unless a person tested positive for COVID 19. Symptoms of COVID 19 with no positive test. Cause of death. Influenza + other underlined conditions. Most cases in one minority group in USA, 60 percent. Not sure why we are not addressing the death issue directly. Poverty and lack of medical access mentioned by various Public Health Departments. Dragging our feet, sure want to be PC, really at this time? Corona virus does not care about race or nationality at this stage. COVID 19 killed thousands starting in Wuhan / China and now the whole world.
Sanitation standards and Social Distance. Tx.
Tijuana. Would be greatly modified in the near future.
The majority of infections result in mild or maybe no symptoms. Yet it's killing everybody. People are dying in their houses, untreated, from the virus. Yet those people aren't tested because we don't test dead people. Yet we know they died of the virus.
Am I the only one having difficulty following the logic here?
Captain Solo
04-11-20, 18:04
CoVid-19 takes hold in Tijuana with 150 cases confirmed, many more untested or unreported.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2x5XlrEw3U
Tijuana's Already Strained Hospitals Feel Even More Pressure As Pandemic Takes Hold.
KPBS.
While Mexico has lagged behind the United States in Coronavirus cases, the pandemic has begun to take hold south of the border.
The largest hospital in Baja, California, Tijuana's General Hospital, is straining under the pressure. KPBS reporter Max Rivlin-Nadler and video journalist Matt Bowler show us more.
I know a few years ago, the farmacias started requiring prescriptions to get antibiotics like the Z-Pack. With what's been going on, I'the like to try to stock up for myself and family next time I go down there. Are there any of the 50 peso consult places that will just write my script without wasting my time with having to say I have an infection?
Captain Solo
04-12-20, 12:51
Mexican medicines seem a lot harsher than the US' equivalents. Not sure how much you could save.
There is a doctor in an alley off Calle 2 near Revo, but each script will cost $10-15 plus a long wait.
International Farmacia, on Calle 2 at the trinket alley next to McDonald, will sell without script. Their prices are slightly higher.
"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.
DramaFree11
04-13-20, 20:57
"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.M.
They will cave in 7-10 days. Texas is opening up soon, so I would imagine around the same time they will open up.
"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.130 K jobs in March alone. Contrast that with fewer about 4,600 total cases and fewer than 300 deaths in the whole country at this point.
ScatManDoo
04-14-20, 07:11
Punta Cana wedding.
On 14 March, a high-profile wedding in Cap Cana seemed to be the COVID-19 infection source for a number of its attendees, which included many foreign residents. The wedding received a lot of public criticism for having had a "crazy hour" theme mocking the coronavirus concerns. The chancellor of the Dominican Republic, Miguel Vargas Maldonado would have contracted the virus from his son, who attended the said wedding and also contracted COVID-19.
ScatManDoo
04-16-20, 18:11
South Korea's success has been largely down to its testing, according to Dr. EOM Joong Sik from the Gil Medical Center near Seoul. EOM is treating coronavirus patients in hospital and sits on a committee that advises the government in its response.
"Early diagnosis, early quarantine and early treatment are key," he told CNN.
"Since the first patient was confirmed, by installing more than 500 screening clinics all over the country, we sorted suspected cases and conducted tests, and we have worked hard to develop and maintain a system to conduct many tests with a small workforce over a short period of time," he said. (On March 13, Trump said his administration was partnering with national retailers to set up drive-thru COVID-19 testing sites in their parking lots, so people could "be swabbed without having to leave your car. " As of April 9, Walgreens had one drive-thru testing site running and 15 preparing to open; CVS had three; Walmart had two; Rite Aid had one; Target had none.).
The country, with it's estimated population of 50.7 million people in 2019, has also been innovative in how it tests. EOM's advisory team had hundreds of drive-through booths, just like at a McDonald's, set up across the country to offer tests that were largely free, quick and done by staff at a safe distance. The US has since replicated that model in some states.
On March 16, the WHO called on governments of the world to "test, test, test. " South Korea had already been doing that for weeks, and has to date tested more than 500,000 people, among the highest number in the world per capita.
Many countries are struggling to carry out thousands of tests each day. It's so difficult to get tested in the UK, for example, that people have been turning to mail-order kits, in an industry that hasn't yet been regulated by the government.
South Korea was also quick to move, implementing quarantining and screening measures for people arriving from Wuhan on January 3, more than two weeks before the country's first infection was even confirmed. Authorities rolled out a series of travel restrictions over the weeks after.
South Korea has also been rigorous in its contact tracing, though it was able to do that easily when it realized a large number of cases could be traced to one religious group in the city of Daegu, making contact tracing easier and giving authorities a specific area to carry out intensive testing.
"By carrying out tests on all members of the congregation and diagnosing even infected people without symptoms, the government carried out quarantine and treatment side by side," EOM said.
Once Daegu was established as the epicenter, authorities were ready with the ability and political will to test broadly, to trace contacts of people infected, and to quarantine them to try and contain the virus before it became a case of mitigating widescale death, as is now the case in much of Europe and the US.
Dickus Maximus
04-17-20, 01:00
"In a speech posted on YouTube Sunday afternoon, Lopez Obrador suggested May 10 as a possible date to begin lifting lockdown measures in the country, but would make the decision after meeting with scientists and experts. "
Data on Sunday showed Mexico has lost more than 130,500 jobs in March and some economists see the country sinking into an even deeper recession than a devastating crisis in the mid-1990's.
Google: Mexico President Faces Threats of Tax Revolts in Some States.
For more info.Mexico has moved to their Level 3 response in a number of municipalities including Tijuana.
Stay at home orders extended to May 30 except some areas with no cases where the order currently ends May 17.
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/463-municipalities-identified-for-application-of-phase-three/
Captain Solo
04-17-20, 11:10
https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/el-chapos-daughter-and-mexican-cartels-distribute-coronavirus-relief/
El Chapo's daughter, Mexican cartels distribute coronavirus aid packages.
By Vincent Barone April 17,2020.
12:24 am.
Employees of the clothing brand "El Chapo 701", fill boxes with products to be handed out to elderly people as part of a campaign to help cash-strapped elderly people.
"Chapo's provisions" to the rescue.
A daughter of the notorious drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman and Mexican cartels are distributing coronavirus aid packages as the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases begin to soar in the country.
Alejandrina Guzman is using her company, El Chapo 701, to pack and deliver care boxes full of food, masks, hand soaps and other supplies, dubbed Chapo's provisions, around Guadalajara.
The parcels are labeled with El Chapo's image — and so are the medical-style facemasks the company's employees wear as they pack and deliver the goods.
The company, which Guzman uses to legally sell clothing and liquor bearing the drug lord's likeness, has been posting photo and video updates on production and deliveries on its Facebook page.
"We are working and contributing. A great pleasure to visit your homes and give you these Chapo handouts," said a post on the company's Facebook page showing Alejandrina, wearing a black facemask with Chapo's face, handing out parcels.
The inspiration for the brand name El Chapo 701 stems from a 2009 Forbes listing that ranked him the 701st richest person in the world with an estimated net worth of $1 billion.
Mexico his heading into a difficult, deep recession with 486 coronavirus deaths reported along with 6,300 confirmed cases — up from roughly 1,200 cases at the beginning of the month.
As cases mount, infamously violent Mexican cartels have joined in the aid efforts, posting their own photos to social media showing gang members distributing relief. The cartels are known to work to ingratiate themselves with the poor residents living where they base their bloody operations.
Guzman is serving time in a Colorado 'Supermax' prison.
Captain Solo
04-17-20, 22:30
CoVid-19 threatens the health and upsets normal life of billions people, causes hundred billions dollars in economic damages worldwide with still unknown long-term negative impacts. Did not look like WHO had the right people on scene to investigate before the start the outbreak. We need much stronger international organizations and mechanism to detect and contain pandemics.
The virus could have been contained and damages minimized but bungled by stupid low-level party cadres in Wuhan, China. Those responsible must be properly prosecuted to prevent recurrence, may be making the source country pay economic damages.
Individuals and countries should be held accountable for the damages by intention or negligence in front of the International Court. Countries must have incentives to clean up their acts. If not, we will see countries breeding other virus, causing more severe pandemics a few years down the road.
I am just extremely pissed off that I have no life, no food, no fun, cannot go anywhere, cannot party, have fun and have hot sex with pretty chicas.
I am just extremely pissed off that I have no life, no food, no fun, cannot go anywhere, cannot party, have fun and have hot sex with pretty chicas.I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.
But the sad reality is that China will not pay a dime for this. There's no negligence lawsuit between countries. China has sovereign immunity. The only way to get China to pay up is war, and I don't think that'll happen over a 2-week cover-up. It's not like China created the virus. Nature produced the virus. It was a lab screw-up exponentially magnified by a cover-up. Chernobyl multiplied by a million.
I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.
But the sad reality is that China will not pay a dime for this. There's no negligence lawsuit between countries. China has sovereign immunity. The only way to get China to pay up is war, and I don't think that'll happen over a 2-week cover-up. It's not like China created the virus. Nature produced the virus. It was a lab screw-up exponentially magnified by a cover-up. Chernobyl multiplied by a million.I think China may pay economically. American politicians are owned by Chinese business interests, so doubt the US will do anything. But other countries are already trying to move production out of China. Japan has earmarked 2.2 billion dollars to help companies relocate production out of China and I'm sure others will do the same. There's talk of Good and Microsoft looking towards Vietnam / Thailand as alternates to China as well (easier said than done).
Who knows. Hope this deals a blow to their economy more than it does the rest of the world.
Captain Solo
04-20-20, 00:09
SenorTJ.
If we all ***** loudly and stroke our government, Commander in Chief Trump will find creative ways to make China pay for all damages.
I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.
ScatManDoo
04-20-20, 04:42
SenorTJ.
If we all ***** loudly and stroke our government, Commander in Chief Trump will find creative ways to make China pay for all damages.
I share your outrage and frustration. This is horrible for everyone. And to think that the Communist Party cover-up cost the world crucial weeks, and that it might have been contained but for the cover-up.You really think shuckster Trump will get the Chinese government to pay for damages.
When he has not (after four years) manged to get Mexico to pay one peso for the wall?
You are dreaming.
Now defaulting on a crap load of USA Treasury notes currently held by the Chinese government.
That is not a remote possibility, and the biggest F / you we could send abroad.
And possibly necessary to help reduce the hyper-inflation that's likely to come.
ScatManDoo
04-20-20, 05:44
The first death attributed to COVID-19 of a minor under 25 is reported in Tabasco on April 16, a two-year-old girl with Down syndrome and congenital heart disease. The government announced on April 16 that it will restrict transportation between areas of the country that are infected with COVID-19 (mostly large cities) and areas that are not infected, without specifying what areas are included or how it will be enforced. President Lpez Obrador also said that based upon current projections, the 979 municipalities that have not had reported cases of coronavirus will be able to reopen schools and workplaces on May 17; the date is June 1 for the 463 municipalities that have. The elderly and other vulnerable groups will still be requested to stay home, and physical distancing should remain in place until May 30. It is expected that the pandemic will end in the metropolitan area on June 25th.
CoVid-19 threatens the health and upsets normal life of billions people, causes hundred billions dollars in economic damages worldwide with still unknown long-term negative impacts. Did not look like WHO had the right people on scene to investigate before the start the outbreak. We need much stronger international organizations and mechanism to detect and contain pandemics.
The virus could have been contained and damages minimized but bungled by stupid low-level party cadres in Wuhan, China. Those responsible must be properly prosecuted to prevent recurrence, may be making the source country pay economic damages.
Individuals and countries should be held accountable for the damages by intention or negligence in front of the International Court. Countries must have incentives to clean up their acts. If not, we will see countries breeding other virus, causing more severe pandemics a few years down the road.
I am just extremely pissed off that I have no life, no food, no fun, cannot go anywhere, cannot party, have fun and have hot sex with pretty chicas.There is already a court case, here is the link "Lawsuit sues China for six trillion dollars in coronavirus reparations.
60 Minutes Australia" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ-tCc3S8V8.
Captain Solo
04-20-20, 16:34
StRobert.
Very good info.
The Berman Law Group in Florida has started a class-action law suit, claiming $6 trillion damages for individuals and businesses.
US courts may not have jurisdiction to trial China. It would have to be an internationals court. If won there are many ways to collect the judgement, seizing China-owned US Treasure bonds, ships, airplanes, government-owned properties ect.
Banks have won judgement against the government of Argentina and seized her ships for payment.
Captain Solo
04-20-20, 18:59
Causing $6 trillion of damages is the equivalent of seizing territories and enslaving the entire populations of America an Europe. It's a very serious offense.
The US government could default on trillion $ of treasury bonds owned by China's government. Debt collectors could seize all assets owned by China.
China has to learn to be honest and responsible with the rest of the word.
You really think shuckster Trump will get the Chinese government to pay for damages.
When he has not (after four years) manged to get Mexico to pay one peso for the wall?
You are dreaming.
Now defaulting on a crap load of USA Treasury notes currently held by the Chinese government.
That is not a remote possibility, and the biggest F / you we could send abroad.
And possibly necessary to help reduce the hyper-inflation that's likely to come.
BodyAnybody
04-20-20, 22:35
Causing $6 trillion of damages is the equivalent of seizing territories and enslaving the entire populations of America an Europe. It's a very serious offense.
The US government could default on trillion $ of treasury bonds owned by China's government. Debt collectors could seize all assets owned by China.
China has to learn to be honest and responsible with the rest of the word.
You really think shuckster Trump will get the Chinese government to pay for damages.
When he has not (after four years) manged to get Mexico to pay one peso for the wall?
You are dreaming.
Now defaulting on a crap load of USA Treasury notes currently held by the Chinese government.
That is not a remote possibility, and the biggest F / you we could send abroad.
And possibly necessary to help reduce the hyper-inflation that's likely to come.People who think Chona will suffer any consequences for their lies and incompetence just don't seem to be paying attention.
The greedy corporations that suck ccp dick will do everything they can to protect Chinese interests, and the lying politicians who work for these corporations will continue to toe the line.
LuvMexicanas
04-21-20, 01:09
People who think Chona will suffer any consequences for their lies and incompetence just don't seem to be paying attention.
The greedy corporations that suck ccp dick will do everything they can to protect Chinese interests, and the lying politicians who work for these corporations will continue to toe the line.La Chona challenge!
Chinas a horrible country which I've spent at least a 100 hours learning about from a utuber named serpentenza. Both before and since coronavirus. Once he left China 8 months ago he was able to really chew them to pieces. China, is Donald Trump, if he truly was a dictator and everyone had to just follow his orders. Trump even admits jealousy over its leader. If you know China, you know that it would be 100% impossible for it to admit fault. It's not in its customs to ever admit fault. So any government that expected or depended on China for ahead up would be a fool. With that being said, 90% countries would act like China did. Keep quiet, don't admit something terrible is going on. It took trump 5 weeks to close the border from 1st notification, as countries move slow in these things due to the ramifications economically and China is embarrassed. With all of that also being said, even if trump closed borders as soon as he found out, this disease, was here already, and if it wasnt it would be, no matter what anyone dis in any country, even China, once even 10 people had it, it was going to spread to the planet. I believe most people will get coronavirus before a vaccine is around. The media hype if vaccine is a fairy tale to keep the sheep indoors and quiet. It ain't comming for few years at best maybe never.
Captain Solo
04-21-20, 06:41
Many doctors and nurses are infected, cannot work. Many days there are no doctors on the Covid19 ward.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-20/tijuana-hospitals-understaffed-coronavirus
'Like a time bomb': Tijuana's hospitals under pressure and understaffed as coronavirus spreads.
By SANDRA DIBBLE, Wendy FRY April 20,20201:36 PM.
Tijuana — As Mexico faces rising numbers of coronavirus cases, Tijuana's Clinica 20 is just one more public hospital fighting on the front lines. The five-story facility in central Tijuana has too few doctors, limited equipment and the expectation that the patient load will only grow.
"From the time we got our first patient until we were full, it took only 10 days," said a doctor at Clinica 20. On the coronavirus ward, "many of the doctors and nurses are sick or on leave, and we have only about half the staff. Those who are there are working extremely hard, because there are few doctors and many patients with COVID-19."
Three doctors at Clinica 20 agreed to talk anonymously about their working conditions in the busy hospital. They said they had been forbidden from speaking publicly and risked losing their jobs if they were identified.
Each day, seven to nine suspected coronavirus patients at Clinica 20 are dying, with a similar number recovering enough to be sent home, one doctor said. By the time test results are returned, the patients often are already gone. "We weren't ready at the hospital for the situation to turn so serious in such little time," he said.
Clinica 20, officially called Regional General Hospital No. 20, is part of a network of hospitals funded through Mexico's social security institute, known as IMSS. Both of Tijuana's social security hospitals have been designated to treat coronavirus patients. A third public hospital — Tijuana's Hospital General — is also treating patients. It is operated by the state but supported with federal funds.
About 55 coronavirus patients were hospitalized at Clinica 20 last week. They have barely enough ventilators but have been able to cope, mainly because of the quick turnover of patients. Staff members who interact with coronavirus patients are getting protective equipment as stipulated by the World Health Organization. "The goggles are not the most adequate and the robes and gowns are not very high quality," a doctor said.
A few miles away, the staff at Hospital General is also dealing with the sudden onslaught of coronavirus patients. Dr. Pablo Villlaseñor, whose training is in rheumatology, said he turned to YouTube for guidance on how to safely put on and remove his disposable personal protective equipment when the first patients arrived in mid-March.
Federal health ministry figures show Baja California as one of the states with the highest number of confirmed cases. By Friday, Tijuana had counted 42 deaths, out of 72 statewide, according to the state's health ministry.
A woman is pre screened for COVID-19 by medical staff outside Hospital General Numero 1. (Alejandro Tamayo / The San Diego Union Tribune).
"This is not the worst it's going to get," said Dr. Clemente Zúñiga, an internist at Hospital General.
Zúñiga became infected three weeks ago after treating some of the hospital's first coronavirus patients and had to be hospitalized for seven days. He is now at home, preparing to return to work.
"It is very tense to work in the ward right now; we have a great team, and that's why we have survived," he said. "We know in two weeks we are going to have our hands full."
Tijuana's public hospitals are part of the complex and fragmented system that provides healthcare to a majority of Mexicans. The system has long suffered limitations, but the coronavirus pandemic has made its weaknesses increasingly apparent.
Over the years, it's a situation that's become "just like a time bomb," said Arturo Vargas Bustamante, a UCLA professor who has studied Mexico's healthcare system. "This pandemic revealed chronic under-investment in the public health system."
Some of those most vulnerable to the pandemic are the urban poor. Rodolfo de la Torre, an analyst at the Mexico City-based think tank Centro de Estudios Espinosa Yglesias said that, at some hospitals, the families of patients often have to supply medicine, bandages and other materials.
The system's underfunding "is an inherited problem, but it's a problem that this administration has not responded to," De la Torre said.
Clinica 20 has been in the spotlight across Mexico since a popular film and TV star, Eugenio Derbez, took to social media last week to call attention to the plight of the hospital's doctors. The actor's claim that medical staff lacked personal protection equipment such as goggles and N95 face masks generated a fierce social media rebuttal from a high-ranking administrator. But Baja California's governor, Jaime Bonilla, sided with Derbez and said that doctors in the state's social security hospitals were "dropping like flies."
Top officials with IMSS flew from Mexico City to Tijuana last week to conduct an inspection. They reported that 23 workers at the hospital had been infected with the virus, according to Reforma newspaper — including four in administrative positions. Epidemiologists reported that the contagion came both from inside and outside the hospital.
But it's unclear if those numbers were confirmed with testing. Due to a shortage of tests, only hospitalized patients are being tested, according to one doctor. Meanwhile, doctors with symptoms aren't being routinely tested and instead are sent home for 14 days of quarantine. "In my opinion, it's a way of hiding information, because the hospital does not want it known that many physicians are getting infected in this very hospital."
Clinica 20 is a 200-bed regional hospital that has served working and middle-class Tijuana residents for more than five decades. It sits off the Cinco why Diez intersection, a busy transportation hub for all corners of this city of 1. 8 million residents.
A block from the hospital on Friday morning, many people wore face masks as they rushed to and from bus stops and in and out of stores despite the city's stay-at-home recommendations.
Directly outside the facility, paramedics dressed in full hazmat suits disinfected an ambulance. Heavily protected staff directed lines of people outside the walk-in clinic, some of those waiting were coughing and wearing face masks.
Inside the hospital, anxiety has been mounting among many staff members, who complain they are not receiving N95 face masks and other protective equipment unless they are interacting directly with the suspected COVID-19 patients. Doctors say the IMSS is adhering to World Health Organization guidelines on personal protection equipment, but that is small comfort to other staff members.
"You never know if it's going to be your turn," a doctor said. "Someone who comes in with non-respiratory symptoms can be finally diagnosed with pneumonia."
A rush to buy protective equipment brought crowds of medical workers last week to a supply company in eastern Tijuana. Some two dozen people joined a queue, waiting for the opening of the warehouse — only to learn that supplies were sold out.
Public hospital workers said they were prepared to spend their own money for items such as face shields, goggles and coveralls. One nurse who is receiving protective gear when she is assigned to the coronavirus ward says one suit of gear isn't enough for an eight-hour shift. "Once you put it on, you cannot get a drink of water, you cannot go to the bathroom," the nurse said.
Growing numbers of Tijuana residents have been stepping forward to raise funds and gather donations for the beleaguered medical staffs. There have been cross-border efforts as well. The key will be coordinating among the different donors and hospitals, said Anne McEnany, president and CEO of the National City, Calif. -based International Community Foundation.
"We want to make sure that philanthropy is filling gaps that government is not covering, as opposed to trying to do everything," McEnany said.
Doctors say they are grateful for the donations. But they say the public can't fill their most pressing need: having enough staff to work with the growing numbers of COVID-19 patients.
At Hospital General, 12 doctors have so far tested positive for the coronavirus, said Dr. Villaseñor.
The staff shortage has meant that, on some shifts, no doctors are present on the coronavirus floor. The "patients are extremely ill, a great proportion of them are on ventilators, and under the effects of sedation," Villaseñor said. "This means they are extremely vulnerable.
Sandra Dibble and Wendy Fry are writers for the San Diego Union-Tribune. San Diego Union-Tribune staff writer Alexandra Mendoza contributed to this report.
Yea. And the democrats were shunning and complaining when he closed the border.
Chinas a horrible country which I've spent at least a 100 hours learning about from a utuber named serpentenza. Both before and since coronavirus. Once he left China 8 months ago he was able to really chew them to pieces. China, is Donald Trump, if he truly was a dictator and everyone had to just follow his orders. Trump even admits jealousy over its leader. If you know China, you know that it would be 100% impossible for it to admit fault. It's not in its customs to ever admit fault. So any government that expected or depended on China for ahead up would be a fool. With that being said, 90% countries would act like China did. Keep quiet, don't admit something terrible is going on. It took trump 5 weeks to close the border from 1st notification, as countries move slow in these things due to the ramifications economically and China is embarrassed. With all of that also being said, even if trump closed borders as soon as he found out, this disease, was here already, and if it wasnt it would be, no matter what anyone dis in any country, even China, once even 10 people had it, it was going to spread to the planet. I believe most people will get coronavirus before a vaccine is around. The media hype if vaccine is a fairy tale to keep the sheep indoors and quiet. It ain't comming for few years at best maybe never.
China is embarrassed. Losing Face.
NOTHING good comes from China.
Captain Solo
04-22-20, 11:10
Missouri is suing China over coronavirus impacts saying the country did 'little to stop the spread of the disease'.
By Christina Maxouris and Joe Sutton, CNN.
Updated 3:25 AM ET, Wed April 22,2020.
(CNN) Missouri is suing the Chinese government and other top institutions for the role they played in the coronavirus pandemic and the effects it has had on the state, accusing the country of covering up information, silencing whistleblowers and doing little to stop the spread of the disease, Missouri Attorney General Eric Schmitt announced Tuesday.
At least 6,105 people have been confirmed to have the virus in Missouri and at least 229 have died, according to numbers from Johns Hopkins University.
Schmitt, in his official role as attorney general of Missouri, filed the civil lawsuit in federal court in the eastern district of Missouri.
The lawsuit, the first of its kind, claims "Chinese authorities deceived the public, suppressed crucial information, arrested whistleblowers, denied human-to-human transmission in the face of mounting evidence, destroyed critical medical research, permitted millions of people to be exposed to the virus, and even hoarded personal protective equipment—thus causing a global pandemic that was unnecessary and preventable."
Legal experts have said the lawsuit faces an uphill battle because China is protected by sovereign immunity. CNN is reaching out to the Chinese government for comment.
Missouri's lawsuit alleges that while the Chinese medical community had indications of human-to-human transmission of the virus, they did not inform the World Health Organization when they first reported the outbreak.
It also alleges Chinese leaders did little to curb spread of the virus, still allowing thousands of people to travel to and out of Wuhan.
"In mid-January, on or around January 16, despite knowing the risks of doing so, Wuhan leaders hosted a potluck dinner for 40,000 residents, increasing the potential spread of the virus," it says. "Defendants allowed these massive public gatherings and massive exodus from Wuhan despite knowing the risks of COVID-19, including the risk of human-to-human transmission."
The filing also outlines how officials initially cracked down on medical professionals who posted information about the virus, including Dr. Li Wenliang, who was accused of rumor-mongering by the Wuhan police after sharing information about a new illness with his medical school alumni group. Wenliang later died of the virus.
The state also alleges China hoarded PPE while concealing the outbreak and that the small amounts they have released have been "faulty."
Those, among other actions taken by Chinese officials had a massive toll on human life and health and has led to "enormous" economic disruptions across the world, according to the lawsuit.
"Before the pandemic, Missouri had one of its lowest unemployment rates of the past decade, but on information and belief, Missouri's unemployment rate is now the highest it has been since the Great Depression," the suit claims. "Responding to the pandemic has required shutting down businesses, disrupting ordinary production and trade, and dislocating workers."
CNN's Chris Boyette and Hira Humayun contributed to this report.
Captain Solo
04-23-20, 00:11
https://www.borderreport.com/regions/california/covid-19-more-lethal-in-tijuana-than-sister-city-san-diego/
COVID-19 more lethal in Tijuana than sister city San Diego California by: Salvador Rivera.
Posted: Apr 22,2020 / 04:48 PM GMT-0600 / Updated: Apr 22,2020 / 04:48 PM GMT-0600.
SAN DIEGO (Border Report) — Despite having 76 percent fewer coronavirus cases, the Mexican city of Tijuana has almost the same number of COVID-19 deaths as San Diego County.
According to stats provided by Baja California's Secretary of Health, there have been 557 people infected with the virus in Tijuana, 86 of whom have died.
In San Diego County, 2,434 cases have been confirmed with 87 fatalities.
The results indicate that in Tijuana, 15 percent of those who get the virus will die, while in San Diego, the number is 3.5 percent.
Though the amount of testing being conducted can also result in a higher death rate, one of the primary reasons given for the disparity in numbers is that Tijuana significantly fewer respirators than San Diego.
And if the trend continues with escalating cases in Tijuana, they will run out of respirators by Saturday according to Alonso Perez, the state's Secretary of Health.
"We have 10 ventilators at our disposal in all the hospitals in Tijuana, we're trying to bring as many as we can get from neighboring communities such as Mexicali and Ensenada," Perez said.
He added that for every 12 people who test positive for COVID-19, one of them will require a respirator in Tijuana.
Perez said they are trying to acquire 60 ventilators from other public and private sources.
Visit the BorderReport.com homepage for the latest exclusive stories.
Captain Solo
04-23-20, 19:01
Mexico is a wild and lawless country with lot of very rough an stupid people. That's why they need policia patrolling every street.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/whats-wrong-mexico-health-workers-100011741.html
'What's wrong with you Mexico?' Health workers attacked amid Covid-19 fears.
Analy Nuño in Guadalajara The Guardian April 23,2020, 3:00 AM PDT.
Jovanna was walking home after a morning of hospital consultations when she heard a shout behind her. As she turned to look, she felt something wet in her face. Within seconds, her vision went cloudy and she smelled bleach.
"They picked me out because I was wearing scrubs," said the ear, nose and throat doctor from the Mexican city of Guadalajara, as she described the attack which left her with conjunctivitis and burns on her skin. "I didn't see anything – I don't know who it was, but I know they attacked another doctor on the same day. ".
In most of the world, medical staff have been lauded as heroes for their response to the coronavirus pandemic. But in Mexico, the growing number of Covid-19 cases has brought with it a wave of violence against nurses and doctors who have wrongly been accused of spreading the disease.
At least 21 medical workers have been attacked in 12 states across the country, according to Fabiana Zepeda, the head of nursing for the Mexican Social Security Institute.
Her voice breaking with emotion, Zepeda told reporters this week that many health workers had started to change out of their uniforms when they travelled to and from work, to avoid being targeted.
"I have worn my nurse's uniform for 27 years with great pride – as do doctors. But today we are taking off our uniforms because we don't want to be injured," she said.
So far, Mexico has seen 9,501 confirmed coronavirus cases, and 857 deaths, but health officials admit that the true infection level is at least eight times higher as the country has limited testing capacity.
On Tuesday, the health undersecretary Hugo López-Gatell who has led Mexico's response to the pandemic, announced that the virus had reached the stage of rapid spread, and warned that "a large number of infections and hospitalisations" were imminent.
The country's president, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, drew criticism for initially downplaying the need for social distancing measures, and doctors and nurses have held protests and strikes over the lack of personnel and safety equipment.
Meanwhile, health workers have themselves been stigmatised and blamed for spreading the disease.
On social media, health workers have been targeted by trolls, but doctors and nurses have also been barred from their homes, denied service in restaurants and supermarkets, forced out of buses and metro carriages – and even attacked in the streets.
Sandra, a nurse in the city of San Luis Potosí described in a Facebook post how she was attacked by a woman and her two children as she left a coffee shop on her way to the hospital.
"She hit me in the face, and I had no choice but to defend myself. We ended up on the pavement, me trying to defend myself because I was proudly wearing my white uniform. I fractured two fingers on my right hand," she wrote.
"What's wrong with you, Mexico? We're just trying to go to work. I care for you – but you don't care for me. No more attacks on health workers!
Some health workers have been forced from their homes.
After an eight-hour shift attending to suspected coronavirus patients at the hospital in the northern tourist resort of San Francisco, Melody found that the road into her home village had been blockaded.
Angry residents had closed the village, Lo de Marcos, to tourists and health workers. Melody was eventually allowed in under police escort – but only to collect her belongings and leave the village.
"It was really painful. I was scared for my safety – and I even ended up wondering if I really was spreading the virus. Now I'm staying with colleagues from the hospital because I have nowhere else to go. It's not fair," she said.
Zepeda, the chief nurse, called on Mexicans to remember the sacrifices that medical workers are making in their response to the epidemic. So far 150 health workers have contracted Covid-19 and six have died. "We beg those people who have attacked doctors and nurses to reconsider," she said. "We could end up saving your lives. ".
Captain Solo
04-23-20, 20:09
A student detained without charges for 2 months came out praising the police. Of course he would praise the police after being threatened and tortures.
There are lots of evidences and witnesses to prove criminal intent of a China's government's abuses of its citizen and cover up of CoVid-19 break out in Wuhan. The rest of the world should make China pay $6 trillion damage.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral#fang-was-arrested-on-February-10-14.
At least 5 people in China have disappeared, gotten arrested, or been silenced after speaking out about the coronavirus — here's what we know about them.
Aylin Woodward Feb 20,2020, 8:06 AM.
Whistleblowers and citizen journalists in China are speaking out against the Chinese Communist Party and President Xi Jinping's handling of the coronavirus outbreak that originated in Wuhan.
Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang contracted the coronavirus after being silenced by local police. He died on February 7.
Other citizen journalists and critics in China have been censored or arrested after sharing information about the outbreak. Some have disappeared or are under surveillance.
More 75,000 people have gotten the coronavirus since December. (For the latest case total and death toll, see Business Insider's live updates here.).
Chinese law professor Xu Zhangrun recently posted a scathing review of the way president Xi Jinping and the Chinese Communist Party have handled the coronavirus outbreak.
"They all blithely stood by as the crucial window of opportunity to deal with the outbreak of the infection snapped shut in their faces," he wrote, suggesting that government censorship of information about the coronavirus hampered China's ability to control its spread.
Xu, who teaches at Beijing's Tsinghua University, added: "The cause of all of this lies with The Axlerod that is, Xi Jinping and the cabal that surrounds him."
The essay, published online February 10, was immediately taken down. Xu was placed under house arrest, cut off from the internet, and scrubbed from all social media sites, The Guardian reported.
His critique came three days after Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang died of the coronavirus. Li had sent a message to a group of medical school alumni, warning them about a mysterious new illness. But local police reprimanded and silenced him.
In addition to Li and Xu, at least three citizen journalists have disappeared or were arrested after sharing information about the outbreak on social media.
Here's what we know about all five of them.
A friend of Xu told The Guardian that the professor was placed under house arrest after he returned to Beijing following the Lunar New Year celebration.
"They confined him at home under the pretext that he had to be quarantined after the trip," the friend said. "he was in fact under de facto house arrest and his movements were restricted. ".
I understand that Professor #XuZhangrun is effectively under house arrest and barred from social media & internet. I am sharing his essay 'Viral Alarm: When Fury Overcomes Fear' to help keep his message alive. Pleases share if you can. http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/viewpoint/viral-alarm-when-fury-overcomes-fear .
The Guardian reported that guards were patrolling outside Xu's home last week, though they have since left. Xu remains incommunicado.
The law professor's name is notably absent from China's Weibo social network.
Xu's access to the internet has been cut off, and his social media account on China's WeChat messaging platform was shut down.
Logos of Chinese instant messaging apps WeChat and Bullet Messenger as seen in September 2018. Florence Lo / Illustration / Reuters.
According to The Guardian, many of Xu's friends have been unable to get in touch with him for days. One of the professor's friends anonymously reported that they had managed to text him but feared Xu was under surveillance.
"he has not directly responded (to my queries) but just told me not to worry," the friend told The Guardian.
Xu's essay ended with an ominous acknowledgement: "I can now all too easily predict that I will be subjected to new punishments; indeed, this may well even be the last piece I write. ".
This isn't the first time Xu has been punished for "speech crimes," according to his essay.
In 2018, he was placed under investigation by Tsinghua University after publishing another essay criticizing Xi Jinping.
"I was suspended from my job as a university lecturer and cashiered as a professor, reduced to a minor academic rank," he wrote, adding, "my freedoms have been curtailed ever since. ".
Another activist, Xu Zhiyong, published an article on social media this month urging Xi Jinping to step down.
The recent post from Xu, a civil-rights lawyer and public intellectual, called out the Chinese president for his "inability to handle major crises," according to the South China Morning Post.
Xu previously served four years in prison for his legal activism. He was arrested again on February 15 after being on run for two months following a police crackdown on a meeting of human-rights lawyers and activists that he attended in Xiamen.
The WeChat message Li sent to his medical-school contacts on December 30 told them about seven patients with an unknown virus. They had all worked at or visited the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market.
The same day, the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission published a notice warning that some people had contracted a type of pneumonia, possibly at the market. But the commission said "organizations or individuals are not allowed to release treatment information to the public without authorization," CNN reported.
Screenshots of Li's message had already gone viral, though.
"When I saw them circulating online, I realized that it was out of my control and I would probably be punished," Li told CNN.
A screenshot of the letter Li signed on January 3. Weibo.
Four days after sharing the message, Li was summoned to a police station. Authorities told him that his warning was illegal and had "severely disturbed the social order," the BBC reported.
According to the BBC, the letter he was told to sign read: "We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice — is that understood?
Beneath that, Li wrote, "Yes, I do. ".
Li was not detained, and he returned to work.
After his release, Li unknowingly treated a woman infected with the coronavirus. Two days later, he checked himself into the hospital after showing symptoms. He died less than a month later.
While sick in the intensive care unit, Li continued to post on his Weibo account.
"I was wondering why the government's official notices were still saying there was no human-to-human transmission, and there were no healthcare workers infected," Li wrote on January 31 from his hospital bed, according to CNN.
Days before his death, he told the New York Times that officials could have done better at sharing information about the coronavirus at the beginning of the outbreak.
"I think it would have been a lot better. There should be more openness and transparency," he said.
Following Li's death, Chinese lawyer and citizen journalist Chen Qiushi went missing.
Chen traveled to Wuhan in late January and uploaded more than 100 posts from Wuhan to his Twitter and Youtube accounts over two weeks. His videos showed overwhelmed hospitals and medical wards.
Chen's friends and family have been unable to reach him since February 6, according to posts on his Twitter account. They say he was forcibly quarantined by Wuhan police. Chen's Weibo account — which had more than 740,000 followers — was shut down on the day of his disappearance, according to his friends and family.
On January 30, Chen uploaded a video to his YouTube channel in which he said police had called him wanting to know where he was and had questioned his parents, according to the Associated Press.
"In front of me is the virus, and behind me is the legal and administrative power of China," he said in the video. "Even death doesn't scare me! Do you think I'm scared of the Communist Party?
Chen's mother uploaded a video onto Chen's Twitter account after his disappearance, begging for help to find her son.
The Wuhan and Qingdao city police said they had no information about Chen's whereabouts when contacted by CNN.
This wasn't the first time Chen has been silenced by Chinese officials.
In this image from video taken Feb. 4, 2020 and released by Chen Qiushi, Chinese citizen journalist Chen Qiushi speaks in front of a convention center-turned makeshift hospital amid a viral epidemic in Wuhan in central China's Hubei province. Armed with smart phones and social media accounts, Chen and other citizen journalists in China are telling stories from the deadly epidemic in their own words, defying the ruling Communist Party's monopoly on information. Chen disappeared last week after garnering millions of views online. (Courtesy of Chen Qiushi via AP).
Chinese citizen journalist Chen Qiushi speaks in front of a convention center turned into a makeshift hospital in Wuhan. This image is from video taken February 4, 2020. Chen Qiushi via AP.
Chen traveled to Hong Kong in August to report on the protests there. After his trip, all of his social media accounts were deleted, he told Quartz in early February.
So this time, he added, "I gave my overseas friends all the passwords to my social media accounts like YouTube, and if I don't contact them for 12 hours they will change the passwords. ".
One of Chen's friends, Xu Xiaodong, posted an update on YouTube February 9 saying Chen had been "detained in the name of quarantine" for two weeks, despite showing no symptoms of the virus. According to the AP, Xu also said on Twitter that day that no one had been able to get in touch with Chen in quarantine.
"I risked my life to post the videos," Chen told Quartz, and added: "If I get arrested they could force me to delete all my videos on YouTube and Twitter, and that would be a great blow to me. ".
Blogger Fang Bin also got a call from the police in Wuhan. Authorities confiscated his laptop from his home on February 1 and brought him in for questioning. Fang filmed the encounter.
Fang told The LOS Angeles Times that authorities ordered him to stop posting "rumors" that would "spread panic" online.
The police released him the next morning. Fang posted a video suggesting that he was released because of the outpouring of support for his freedom on social media.
A video Fang posted on February 1 showed a hospital in Wuhan where eight body bags were being loaded onto the back of a truck. The footage also showed an overwhelmed medical clinic. It went viral.
After his release, Fang continued posting videos from hospitals across Wuhan.
"This pneumonia we see today, this Wuhan flu, it's both a natural disaster and a man-made problem," he said in one of his videos. "That's because they've covered up the facts. They muffled Li Wenliang for telling the truth. ".
Fang was arrested on February 10.
He refused to leave his home, according to Vice, so firefighters broke down the door after police surrounded the apartment.
The last video Fang posted to his YouTube channel came on February 9. In it, he repeated again and again: "All citizens resist, hand power back to the people!
ScatManDoo
04-24-20, 19:28
The Los Angeles Times published an article on April 19,2020 entitled "California lessons from the 1918 pandemic: San Francisco dithered; LOS Angeles acted and saved lives".
Here's my summary:
In the current COVID-19 pandemic, San Francisco was about a week ahead of LOS Angeles in responding. This is the exact opposite of what happened in 1918 in response to the Spanish Flu.
LOS Angeles had the first signs of a second peak mid-September 1918 when Sailors on a Navy ship in San Pedro Naval Base fell ill. By Oct 11, LOS Angeles moved to close down bars, pool halls, movie theaters, sporting event, church services and included an order to stop filming mob scenes for movies under production. LOS Angeles did not require masks except for those in contact with the sick. Civic group were successful in getting hotel rooms set aside for the poor and infirm. LOS Angeles lifted it's social distancing restrictions on Dec 2.
The first influenza case appeared in San Francisco about the same time. They did not shut down "All Places of Public Amusement" until Oct 18, but did not include churches. In San Francisco they went big on gauze masks ordering everyone to wear a mask on Oct 25. Those who did not were fined $5. San Franciscan lifted Social Distancing on Nov 16. On Nov 21 at noon the requirement to wear masks were lifted.
In all, LOS Angeles was practicing social distancing 23 days longer than San Francisco. However, a quick surge in LOS Angeles led to a re-closing of schools which remained closed until February 1919. San Francisco also had a quick surge and ordered masks back in place Jan 10 which would remain in place until February.
Results:
LOS Angeles experienced an excess death rate (The number of deaths above yearly expectations) of 494 per 100,000 residents. San Francisco experienced 673 excess deaths per 100,000.
In the current COVID-19 pandemic San Francisco started mandatory social distancing on March 11. LOS Angeles followed on March 15. Governor Gavin Newsom made staying at home statewide at midnight, March 19th. Gavin Newsom was first to marry gay men & the first governor to take effective action in fighting COVID-19, & in teaching new generations a 102 year-old lesson.
Seems the main thing LA could have done better 102 years ago, was to require more mask usage, which seems to be helping a lot in cities that are opening up now. Wuhan was shut down for 76 days, beginning January 22nd. Wuhan requires wearing masks in public, ever since re-opening on April 4th. (One of these dates must be wrong, since I only count 73 days, including 1/22 & 4/4). If you believe China's statistics (& other cities) that new infections are at or close to 0 with everyone in masks, then a clear path for opening up countries and areas can be seen.
Just the fact that this smarmy weasel got elected shows how far down the rabbit hole California has gone. CA is doomed.Thank god that Gavin Newsom was here when California needed him.
Plasma treatment in Tijuana?
Stay at Home Order.
New York 14 percent and= 3000.
California:
Northern 2 to 4 percent Stanford Study and=3000.
Southern 5 percent USC / LA and= 1000.
Captain Solo
04-27-20, 04:20
One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases. He seems to have a good grasp of medical issues.
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus. He argues that eventually every one in the world will be infected sooner or later. There are no cures for the virus, only treating symptoms and assisting them with ventilators.
He said government social distance enforcement only aim to flatten out the infection and death curves, pushing infection and death incidents out to the future, may be indefinitely, just so that hospitals don't run out of beds and doctors. US death rate is 55.383 over 330 mil population or about 1 in 6,000 to date. There will be more death in May and death rate will be higher.
China claims 4,642 death to date with a population of 1.52 bil or 1 death per 327,000, 50 times lower than US, and much much lower than Italy, Spain, France, WTF? This figure is not credible, even ridiculous, unless China is full of supermen and superwomen hehe.
I have been going to stores, food, markets, banks ect a few times every week since the lock down. Have not got infected yet. Even if I get infected I belong to the 5,999 population who will not die. So if La Zona opens back up, a few trips to party with the chicas won't infect or kill anyone. The chicas may even have anti bodies they can donate via DFKs.
Probability of contracting and dying with this virus is very low. Perhaps we should not be so scared. My wingman is a very careful guy. So I will wait for him.
One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases...
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus.And my wingman is the janitor at a liquor store next door to a hospital, and he says I should listen to actual experts, not your attorney friend.
Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu, but even there, there's the annual flu vaccine.
Dcrist0527
05-01-20, 00:13
And my wingman is the janitor at a liquor store next door to a hospital, and he says I should listen to actual experts, not your attorney friend.
Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu, but even there, there's the annual flu vaccine.The annual flu vaccine is only moderately effective, due to the mutations that occur, which is exactly Captain's point. And with that "vaccine", we still have 60,000 per year die. I think the science, when it is allowed to be heard, instead of being distorted by politicians, will show exactly what the Captain believes. Your chances of dying from this virus are very minuscule. Obviously, it depends on your age and overall health.
But Captain, your wingman is exactly right. This lockdown solved absolutely nothing. It did slow the inevitable outcome. It did protect our healthcare system from being completely overrun. But as restrictions ease, we will undoubtedly experience an uptick. Many will point to the easing of restrictions as the cause. But they need to consider exactly what you said. The outcome was just delayed.
I read about Sweden and others, and about how herd immunity doesn't work. That's a false argument. What are we comparing it to? Because I haven't seen an alternative, other than stay at home. That is not a solution, nor is it viable any longer.
You don't have to be an epidemiologist to use common sense and think for yourself.
LuvMexicanas
05-01-20, 06:46
The annual flu vaccine is only moderately effective, due to the mutations that occur, which is exactly Captain's point. And with that "vaccine", we still have 60,000 per year die. I think the science, when it is allowed to be heard, instead of being distorted by politicians, will show exactly what the Captain believes. Your chances of dying from this virus are very minuscule. Obviously, it depends on your age and overall health.
But Captain, your wingman is exactly right. This lockdown solved absolutely nothing. It did slow the inevitable outcome. It did protect our healthcare system from being completely overrun. But as restrictions ease, we will undoubtedly experience an uptick. Many will point to the easing of restrictions as the cause. But they need to consider exactly what you said. The outcome was just delayed.
I read about Sweden and others, and about how herd immunity doesn't work. That's a false argument. What are we comparing it to? Because I haven't seen an alternative, other than stay at home. That is not a solution, nor is it viable any longer.
You don't have to be an epidemiologist to use common sense and think for yourself.ED has nothing better to do than pepper the Tijuana threads with his doom and gloom rhetoric.
Immunity to Ro = 30+, South Korea was able to contain the spread.
California at peak 3 to 4 SNF, NYC. Ro Max at SNF and assisted living.
One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases. He seems to have a good grasp of medical issues.
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus. He argues that eventually every one in the world will be infected sooner or later. There are no cures for the virus, only treating symptoms and assisting them with ventilators.
He said government social distance enforcement only aim to flatten out the infection and death curves, pushing infection and death incidents out to the future, may be indefinitely, just so that hospitals don't run out of beds and doctors. US death rate is 55.383 over 330 mil population or about 1 in 6,000 to date. There will be more death in May and death rate will be higher.
China claims 4,642 death to date with a population of 1.52 bil or 1 death per 327,000, 50 times lower than US, and much much lower than Italy, Spain, France, WTF? This figure is not credible, even ridiculous, unless China is full of supermen and superwomen hehe..
And my wingman is the janitor at a liquor store next door to a hospital, and he says I should listen to actual experts, not your attorney friend.
Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu, but even there, there's the annual flu vaccine.Covid does mutate. Already they believe theres different versions of it. If you want acurate info you. Eed to use Google but find articles from other countries. Everything the usa government says today, and acts like its breaking. Eqs, was reported months ago. All of it. The very low death rate was reported the 1st week in Italy. The doctors knew if they were able to test all people not just those on deaths door the death rate would by decreased alot. Pretty much this disease is on par with the flue it's just that it's new. If the news covered home invasion robberies in every city, the way they cover covid nobody would want to go home at night. I'm a Democrat too but I can see this for what it is since I read all news sources not just liberal ones.
Even if I get infected I belong to the 5,999 population who will not die. How do you figure that?
John Clayton
05-01-20, 18:38
...Kidding aside, nobody in the news media is reporting this "hundreds of mutations" theory. It's true of the flu...Doesn't matter what the news media is reporting. In fact, there are millions of random mutations, the vast majority of which are not significant. This is what enables them to track the spread of the different strains. CV is a RNA virus, which typically are more mutable than DNA viruses. RNA viruses have high mutation rates that result in several slightly different versions of the genome being made each time it is replicated. This creates a viral population with diverse genomes, which caused me to erroneously predict earlier that there would never be an effective vaccine. However, for some reason which I obviously don't understand, there are four conserved structural proteins among the different strains, notably the "spike" protein. Apparently, somehow, these key proteins are very stable across the known mutations. I guess, you can sort of see why from an evolutionary POV.
ScatManDoo
05-01-20, 18:52
How do you figure that?Insects & other pests will be the last to survive.
ED has nothing better to do than pepper the Tijuana threads with his doom and gloom rhetoric.64,603 is not rhetoric. I'm just outing you because you post as if it's OK for you to contribute to those deaths.
Many people die from car accidents and medical malpractice every year. Should we ban driving if it saves one life? Peddling FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) and doom porn to those not at risk of serious consequences is getting lame. Those who are obese, over 70, diabetic or with lung problems should quarantine themselves as the nursing homes are being heavily struck as they are filled with old and sick people. Those who are not at risk should take advantage of the travel and hotel deals if they take appropriate precautions, such as taking HCQ or tonic aka Quinine water with zinc. I have posted several articles on this blog detailing that out of 65000 users of HCQ, only 20 contracted the China flu with no mortality with a followup article from the NIH, run by Dr. Fauci, in 2005 stating that HCQ had preventative and curative effects on the SARS Coronavirus. Take basic precautions and enjoy the summer!
ED has nothing better to do than pepper the Tijuana threads with his doom and gloom rhetoric.
LuvMexicanas
05-02-20, 07:34
64,603 is not rhetoric. I'm just outing you because you post as if it's OK for you to contribute to those deaths.You're pretty off the rails man and completely oblivious to what me and several others are calling out in your posts but hey I can't stop you from believing everything you see and hear on the news. You consistently twist my posts and make petty attacks on me even though I haven't been in Tijuana for weeks. Many on this board have visited Tijuana and posted on the ground reports this week, last week and the week before that. Where is your venom for them? I haven't even been down there in well over a month yet you demonize me. I really don't get it, but I do sense that you have anger management issues and should consider seeking help for that.
Dcrist0527
05-03-20, 01:14
You're pretty off the rails man and completely oblivious to what me and several others are calling out in your posts but hey I can't stop you from believing everything you see and hear on the news. You consistently twist my posts and make petty attacks on me even though I haven't been in Tijuana for weeks. Many on this board have visited Tijuana and posted on the ground reports this week, last week and the week before that. Where is your venom for them? I haven't even been down there in well over a month yet you demonize me. I really don't get it, but I do sense that you have anger management issues and should consider seeking help for that.I'll say this, not knowing either of you. But one of the real tragedies of this whole mess is how fear has overtaken many rational minds. Those that preach follow the data can't appreciate how the data has been manipulated. They accept the doom and gloom because, well, who wants to die? We'll do everything we can to stay alive, won't we? But they never realize that this shutdown has not solved a thing. Yet somehow, it's the only answer. But for some, fear has taken the ability to think.
I truly am not calling you out, Ed. I don't even mean it as a criticism. I just ask that you look at all of the evidence and not consume only the bad.
I'll say this, not knowing either of you. But one of the real tragedies of this whole mess is how fear has overtaken many rational minds. Those that preach follow the data can't appreciate how the data has been manipulated. They accept the doom and gloom because, well, who wants to die? We'll do everything we can to stay alive, won't we? But they never realize that this shutdown has not solved a thing. Yet somehow, it's the only answer. But for some, fear has taken the ability to think.
I truly am not calling you out, Ed. I don't even mean it as a criticism. I just ask that you look at all of the evidence and not consume only the bad.Well said.
I will say that it seems those who scream the loudest about not discontinuing the shutdown are the most privileged. Most don't have to worry about a paycheck, or where their next meal is coming from. They claim we're all in this together, yet act so extremely selfish and self-righteous. Why can't we all have some empathy for the barber who is "non-essential" and can't earn a living or pay his shop rent? How about the poor Mexican laborer who is, literally, starving? The fabrica worker who lives day to day and now can't feed her kids? The waitress walking the streets looking for work where there is none? The small business owner who is now watching his life's work slowly die, killed by overreaching, dictatorial politicians? Does nobody give a shit anymore? I, personally, know people in every one of those above examples, and more besides. And nobody gives a fart in a windstorm. All I hear is "Everybody has to have their lives destroyed so that *I* will be safe. " After two or three months of no income, it will take the average family years to recover. Imagine having to catch up on two or three back mortgage payments, plus the same number of credit card bills, plus utilities, and on and on, while keeping current with the new bills. Does anybody give a shit? No! Fuck 'them. It's for their own good.
JackFlash4
05-03-20, 11:50
Well said.
I will say that it seems those who scream the loudest about not discontinuing the shutdown are the most privileged. Most don't have to worry about a paycheck, or where their next meal is coming from. They claim we're all in this together, yet act so extremely selfish and self-righteous. Why can't we all have some empathy for the barber who is "non-essential" and can't earn a living or pay his shop rent? How about the poor Mexican laborer who is, literally, starving? The fabrica worker who lives day to day and now can't feed her kids? The waitress walking the streets looking for work where there is none? The small business owner who is now watching his life's work slowly die, killed by overreaching, dictatorial politicians? Does nobody give a shit anymore? I, personally, know people in every one of those above examples, and more besides. And nobody gives a fart in a windstorm. All I hear is "Everybody has to have their lives destroyed so that *I* will be safe. " After two or three months of no income, it will take the average family years to recover. Imagine having to catch up on two or three back mortgage payments, plus the same number of credit card bills, plus utilities, and on and on, while keeping current with the new bills. Does anybody give a shit? No! Fuck 'them. It's for their own good.You are equating hardship with death. The fact that the sacrifice is not equally shared is an excuse you use to justify your false equivalency.
Captain Solo
05-03-20, 17:50
What happens if a coronavirus vaccine is never developed? It has happened before.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html
By Rob Picheta, CNN Updated 9:39 AM ET, Sun May 3, 2020.
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern speaks at a briefing on the coronavirus pandemic at Parliament on April 27,2020 in Wellington, New Zealand. New Zealand will drop to Alert Level 3 of lockdown at 11:59 pm on April 27. New Zealand has been in in full lockdown since March 26 in an effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 across the country. Under the current COVID-19 Alert Level 4 measures, all non-essential businesses have been closed, including bars, restaurants, cinemas and playgrounds. All indoor and outdoor events are banned, while schools have switched to online learning. Essential services remain open, including supermarkets and pharmacies.
What went wrong with UK's initial Covid-19 response?
London (CNN) As countries lie frozen in lockdown and billions of people lose their livelihoods, public figures are teasing a breakthrough that would mark the end of the crippling coronavirus pandemic: a vaccine.
But there is another, worst-case possibility: that no vaccine is ever developed. In this outcome, the public's hopes are repeatedly raised and then dashed, as various proposed solutions fall before the final hurdle.
Instead of wiping out Covid-19, societies may instead learn to live with it. Cities would slowly open and some freedoms will be returned, but on a short leash, if experts' recommendations are followed. Testing and physical tracing will become part of our lives in the short term, but in many countries, an abrupt instruction to self-isolate could come at any time. Treatments may be developed -- but outbreaks of the disease could still occur each year, and the global death toll would continue to tick upwards.
It's a path rarely publicly countenanced by politicians, who are speaking optimistically about human trials already underway to find a vaccine. But the possibility is taken very seriously by many experts -- because it's happened before. Several times.
"There are some viruses that we still do not have vaccines against," says Dr. David Nabarro, a professor of global health at Imperial College London, who also serves as a special envoy to the World Health Organization on Covid-19. "We can't make an absolute assumption that a vaccine will appear at all, or if it does appear, whether it will pass all the tests of efficacy and safety.
"It's absolutely essential that all societies everywhere get themselves into a position where they are able to defend against the coronavirus as a constant threat, and to be able to go about social life and economic activity with the virus in our midst," Nabarro tells CNN.
Most experts remain confident that a Covid-19 vaccine will eventually be developed; in part because, unlike previous diseases like HIV and malaria, the coronavirus does not mutate rapidly.
Many, including National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anthony Fauci, suggest it could happen in a year to 18 months. Other figures, like England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty, have veered towards the more distant end of the spectrum, suggesting that a year may be too soon.
But even if a vaccine is developed, bringing it to fruition in any of those time frames would be a feat never achieved before.
"We've never accelerated a vaccine in a year to 18 months," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, tells CNN. "It doesn't mean it's impossible, but it will be quite a heroic achievement.
"We need plan A, and a plan be," he says.
When vaccines don't work.
In 1984, the US Secretary of Health and Human Services Margaret Heckler announced at a press conference in Washington, DC, that scientists had successfully identified the virus that later became known as HIV -- and predicted that a preventative vaccine would be ready for testing in two years.
Nearly four decades and 32 million deaths later, the world is still waiting for an HIV vaccine.
Instead of a breakthrough, Heckler's claim was followed by the loss of much of a generation of gay men and the painful shunning of their community in Western countries. For many years, a positive diagnosis was not only a death sentence; it ensured a person would spend their final months abandoned by their communities, while doctors debated in medical journals whether HIV patients were even worth saving.
The search didn't end in the 1980's. In 1997, President Bill Clinton challenged the US to come up with a vaccine within a decade. Fourteen years ago, scientists said we were still about 10 years away.
The difficulties in finding a vaccine began with the very nature of HIV / AIDS itself. "Influenza is able to change itself from one year to the next so the natural infection or immunization the previous year doesn't infect you the following year. HIV does that during a single infection," explains Paul Offit, a pediatrician and infectious disease specialist who co-invented the rotavirus vaccine.
"It continues to mutate in you, so it's like you're infected with a thousand different HIV strands," Offit tells CNN. "(And) while it is mutating, it's also crippling your immune system. ".
HIV poses very unique difficulties and Covid-19 does not possess its level of elusiveness, making experts generally more optimistic about finding a vaccine.
But there have been other diseases that have confounded both scientists and the human body. An effective vaccine for dengue fever, which infects as many as 400,000 people a year according to the WHO, has eluded doctors for decades. In 2017, a large-scale effort to find one was suspended after it was found to worsen the symptoms of the disease.
Similarly, it's been very difficult to develop vaccines for the common rhinoviruses and adenoviruses -- which, like coronaviruses, can cause cold symptoms. There's just one vaccine to prevent two strains of adenovirus, and it's not commercially available.
"You have high hopes, and then your hopes are dashed," says Nabarro, describing the slow and painful process of developing a vaccine. "We're dealing with biological systems, we're not dealing with mechanical systems. It really depends so much on how the body reacts."
Human trials are already underway at Oxford University in England for a coronavirus vaccine made from a chimpanzee virus, and in the US for a different vaccine, produced by Moderna.
However, it is the testing process -- not the development -- that holds up and often scuppers the production of vaccines, adds Hotez, who worked on a vaccine to protect against SARS. "The hard part is showing you can prove that it works and it's safe."
Plan b.
If the same fate befalls a Covid-19 vaccine, the virus could remain with us for many years. But the medical response to HIV / AIDS still provides a framework for living with a disease we can't stamp out.
"In HIV, we've been able to make that a chronic disease with antivirals. We've done what we've always hoped to do with cancer," Offit says. "It's not the death sentence it was in the 1980's."
The groundbreaking development of a daily preventative pill -- pre-exposure prophylaxis, or PrEP -- has since led to hundreds of thousands of people at risk of contracting HIV being protected from the disease.
A number of treatments are likewise being tested for Covid-19, as scientists hunt for a Plan be in parallel to the ongoing vaccine trials, but all of those trials are in very early stages. Scientists are looking at experimental anti-Ebola drug remdesivir, while blood plasma treatments are also being explored. Hydroxychloroquine, touted as a potential "game changer" by US President Donald Trump, has so found been found not to work on very sick patients.
"The drugs they've chosen are the best candidates," says Keith Neal, Emeritus Professor in the Epidemiology of Infectious Diseases at the University of Nottingham. The problem, he says, has been the "piecemeal approach" to testing them.
"We have to do randomized controlled trials. It's ridiculous that only recently have we managed to get that off the ground," Neal, who reviews such tests for inclusion in medical journals, tells CNN. "The papers that I'm getting to look at -- I'm just rejecting them on the grounds that they're not properly done. ".
Now those fuller trials are off the ground, and if one of those drugs works for Covid-19 the signs should emerge "within weeks," says Neal. The first may already have arrived; the US Food and Drug Administration told CNN it is in talks to make remdesivir available to patients after positive signs it could speed up recovery from the coronavirus.
The knock-on effects of a successful treatment would be felt widely; if a drug can decrease a patient's average time spent in ICU even by by a few days, it would free up hospital capacity and could therefore greatly increase the willingness of governments to open up society.
But how effective a treatment is would depend on which one works -- remdesivir is not in high supply internationally and scaling up its production would cause problems.
And crucially, any treatment won't prevent infections occurring in society -- meaning the coronavirus would be easier to manage and the pandemic would subside, but the disease could be with us many years into the future.
If a vaccine can't be produced, life will not remain as it is now. It just might not go back to normal quickly.
"The lockdown is not sustainable economically, and possibly not politically," says Neal. "So we need other things to control it."
That means that, as countries start to creep out of their paralyses, experts would push governments to implement an awkward new way of living and interacting to buy the world time in the months, years or decades until Covid-19 can be eliminated by a vaccine.
"It is absolutely essential to work on being Covid-ready," Nabarro says. He calls for a new "social contract" in which citizens in every country, while starting to go about their normal lives, take personal responsibility to self-isolate if they show symptoms or come into contact with a potential Covid-19 case.
It means the culture of shrugging off a cough or light cold symptoms and trudging into work should be over. Experts also predict a permanent change in attitudes towards remote working, with working from home, at least on some days, becoming a standard way of life for white collar employees. Companies would be expected to shift their rotas so that offices are never full unnecessarily.
"It (must) become a way of behaving that we all ascribe to personal responsibility. Treating those who are isolated as heroes rather than pariahs," says Nabarro. "A collective pact for survival and well-being in the face of the threat of the virus.
"It's going to be difficult to do in poorer nations," he adds, so finding ways to support developing countries will become "particularly politically tricky, but also very important. " he cites tightly packed refugee and migrant settlements as areas of especially high concern.
In the short term, Nabarro says a vast program of testing and contact tracing would need to be implemented to allow life to function alongside Covid-19 -- one which dwarfs any such program ever established to fight an outbreak, and which remains some time away in major countries like the US and the UK.
"Absolutely critical is going to be having a public health system in place that includes contact tracing, diagnosis in the workplace, monitoring for syndromic surveillance, early communication on whether we have to re-implement social distancing," adds Hotez. "It's doable, but it's complicated and we really haven't done it before."
America's 'new normal' will be anything but ordinary.
America's 'new normal' will be anything but ordinary.
Those systems could allow for some social interactions to return. "If there's minimal transmission, it may indeed be possible to open things up for sporting events" and other large gatherings, says Hotez -- but such a move would not be permanent and would continually be assessed by governments and public health bodies.
That means the the Premier League, NFL and other mass events could go ahead with their schedules as long as athletes are getting regularly tested, and welcome in fans for weeks at a time -- perhaps separated within the stands -- before quickly shutting stadiums if the threat rises.
"Bars and pubs are probably last on the list as well, because they are overcrowded," suggests Neal. "They could reopen as restaurants, with social distancing. " Some European countries have signaled they will start allowing restaurants to serve customers at vastly reduced capacity.
Restrictions are most likely to come back over the winter, with Hotez suggesting that Covid-19 peaks could occur every winter until a vaccine is introduced.
And lockdowns, many of which are in the process of gradually being lifted, could return at any moment. "From time to time there will be outbreaks, movement will be restricted -- and that may apply to parts of a country, or it may even apply to a whole country," Nabarro says.
Wuhan shows the world that normal is still some time away.
The more time passes, the more imposing becomes the hotly debated prospect of herd immunity -- reached when the majority of a given population, around 70% to 90%, becomes immune to an infectious disease. "That does to some extent limit spread," Offit says -- "although population immunity caused by natural infection is not the best way to provide population immunity. The best way is with a vaccine. ".
Measles is the "perfect example," says Offit -- before vaccines became widespread, "every year 2 to 3 million people would get measles, and that would be true here too. " In other words, the amount of death and suffering from Covid-19 would be vast even if a large portion of the population is not susceptible.
All of these predictions are tempered by a general belief that a vaccine will, eventually, be developed. "I do think there'll be vaccine -- there's plenty of money, there's plenty of interest and the target is clear," Offit says.
But if previous outbreaks have proven anything, it's that hunts for vaccines are unpredictable. "I don't think any vaccine has been developed quickly," Offit cautions. "I'd be really amazed if we had something in 18 months."
ScatManDoo
05-03-20, 19:45
In Mexico, per Wikipedia:
According to the Secretariat of Health, there are three phases before the disease (COVID-19) can be considered as an epidemic in the country:
Phase 1 Viral Import Start February 28, 2020 End March 23, 2020.
People with the virus caught the disease outside Mexico and there are no cases of local transmission.
A limited number of people are infected with the virus.
There are no restrictions on greetings between people.
Public events remain permitted in all settings.
Phase 2 Community Transmission Start March 24, 2020 End April 20, 2020.
Community transmission: cases are reported between people who have not had contact with foreigners.
The number of confirmed cases has increased rapidly.
Large public events are no longer permitted.
Classes are suspended and people are encouraged to work from home.
Phase 3 Epidemic Start April 21, 2020 End TBA.
Widespread transmission: thousands of cases would have been reported in multiple locations across the country.
Schools and workplaces with active outbreaks would be shuttered.
Implementation of stricter health protocols would occur.
A general quarantine of the population may become necessary.
You are equating hardship with death. The fact that the sacrifice is not equally shared is an excuse you use to justify your false equivalency.The "haves" are imposing their will on the "have nots. " Sound familiar?
Equating hardship with death? WTF are you talking about? As thing shake out it appears the death rate will come in around 0. 1% to 0. 2%. THIS is sure death? Where exactly do you get that notion? Weigh that against sure financial death for people who can no longer pursue their livelihood or even feed their families. WTF do you know about going hungry at night? WTF do you know about being unemployed and not being able to feed your family? You're saying that's preferable to taking a chance on catching a disease where 99.8% of the victims survive?
You should be thankful you have such privilege.
The "haves" are imposing their will on the "have nots. " Sound familiar?
Equating hardship with death? WTF are you talking about? As thing shake out it appears the death rate will come in around 0. 1% to 0. 2%. THIS is sure death? Where exactly do you get that notion? Weigh that against sure financial death for people who can no longer pursue their livelihood or even feed their families. WTF do you know about going hungry at night? WTF do you know about being unemployed and not being able to feed your family? You're saying that's preferable to taking a chance on catching a disease where 99.8% of the victims survive?
You should be thankful you have such privilege.You bring up valid points Phordphan. People from different economic classes are definitely feeling the pinch differently than those who are financially stable. It is totally understandable why many people want and NEED to get back to work. The states are listening and in return they are willing to accept the consequences. This is democracy in action. Unfortunately I fear the outcome will be anything but democratic. Those who can will just watch until they feel safe to venture out.
Everyone is going to be responsible for themselves during this. Too many unknowns and it is clear that the Govt cannot protect you from everything nor is 100% of the information valid.
Working together in trusted communities to share valuable information is key to not getting too emotionally involved to where your thinking is more reactive than strategic.
In Short:
Things will open back up within the next two weeks. My advice would be to let them and stay BACK if you can or at the very least monitor your social distancing for another 2 weeks to see where the openings take us.
ScatManDoo
05-03-20, 23:02
One of my wingmen is an attorney who litigates medical malpractice and personal injuries cases. He seems to have a good grasp of medical issues.
He said CoVid-19 has mutated into more than 30 mutations so far, and will mutate into a very large number. It's impossible to vaccinate against all hundreds or thousands of mutations of this virus.
Most experts remain confident that a Covid-19 vaccine will eventually be developed; in part because, unlike previous diseases like HIV and malaria, the coronavirus does not mutate rapidly.
I have been going to stores, food, markets, banks ect a few times every week since the lock down. Have not got infected yet. Even if I get infected I belong to the 5,999 population who will not die. So if La Zona opens back up, a few trips to party with the chicas won't infect or kill anyone. The chicas may even have anti bodies they can donate via DFKs.
Probability of contracting and dying with this virus is very low. Perhaps we should not be so scared. My wingman is a very careful guy. So I will wait for him.Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.
Why would you want to come out from shelter when infection rates haven't sufficiently declined? Or not declined at all?
In many states the rate has not declined, only its rate of increase has declined.
I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.
Coronavirus is much more deadly, like around 11% or 12% in Italy of their confirmed cases. Similar for Spain. We might be experiencing a lower death rate in the United States than the rate in Italy. But our death rate in the United States health "system" is only around half or a third of of that of Italy, NOT 110 times lower.
JackFlash4
05-04-20, 11:43
The "haves" are imposing their will on the "have nots. " Sound familiar?
Equating hardship with death? WTF are you talking about? As thing shake out it appears the death rate will come in around 0. 1% to 0. 2%. THIS is sure death? Where exactly do you get that notion? Weigh that against sure financial death for people who can no longer pursue their livelihood or even feed their families. WTF do you know about going hungry at night? WTF do you know about being unemployed and not being able to feed your family? You're saying that's preferable to taking a chance on catching a disease where 99.8% of the victims survive?
You should be thankful you have such privilege.The 'have nots" are those 60,000 that have died in the past month. People like you remind me that half the country has less than average intelligence.
Captain Solo
05-04-20, 19:37
The death rate per confirmed cases is inaccurate, and may be skewed way too high, due to the fact that infection is wide spread with large population of infected people show no symptoms and are untested. A more accurate figure would be death rate over the entire population.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Belgium is the worst hit with 68 deaths per 10 K population, 3 x US' rate 21 per 10 K.
US 21 dead per 10 K and growing is still very scary, especially for older folks with poor health. As cities start to open, I suspect May and June will bring out many more deaths at higher rates.
I am not going to La Zona yet. Still looking for a safe signal. I will wait for my brave, smart and sexy attorney wingman to lead the charge. He has close personal relationships with lots of girls and business owners in La Zona and feels really bad not seeing them every week.
Lots of guys have their entire social / sexual lives revolve around La Zona. This CoVid-19 pandemic really cause huge damages to their physical, sexual and emotional health.
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BodyAnybody
05-04-20, 22:46
Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.
Dcrist0527
05-05-20, 00:35
Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.So just to be clear, you like those federal guidelines more? Gotcha. Your president appreciates the validation.
I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.
Coronavirus is much more deadly, like around 11% or 12% in Italy of their confirmed cases.You do realize that not everything is political, right? Simple mathematics would be one of those things. You just tried to compare a mortality rate for the population of the US vs a mortality rate of an infected population. Just as bad, you chose to use the Italy rate, when everyone knows their rate was inflated by having an epically unprepared health care system. You do remember, right? The mass hysteria over the lack of ventilators. The need for 40,000 ventilators in NYC. Yeah, that was as incorrect as your math.
Facts matter. Throwing misleading numbers out like that only scares the people that can't think for themselves.
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05-05-20, 01:48
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ScatManDoo
05-05-20, 05:20
Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.I'm sure you can find some medical waste disposal site that you could jog through in order to demonstrate to all of us your invincibility.
LuvMexicanas
05-05-20, 05:54
Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.Amen. Phordphan said it best "Everybody has to have their lives destroyed so that (whining babies in the ivory towers) will be safe." And please before another one of those babies holds me in contempt, just spare us the virtue signalling.
BodyAnybody
05-05-20, 20:02
I'm sure you can find some medical waste disposal site that you could jog through in order to demonstrate to all of us your invincibility.And you can choose to not accompany me in my jog. What you should not do is demand that I not take my job just so you can feel a bit safer while you gleefully recap fatality numbers and froth at the mouth every time Trump blinks.
ScatManDoo
05-05-20, 20:38
So just to be clear, you like those federal guidelines more? Gotcha. Your president appreciates the validation.I didn't necessarily like or dislike the earlier federal guidelines, nor did I make a judgement about them.
But I did read the guidelines. I believe I understood them as well. And I could easily see how quickly Trump discarded the guideline written by his federally assembled team of doctors when they were no longer helpful in the Trumpster's desire to open up the economy despite all costs.
You do realize that not everything is political, right? Simple mathematics would be one of those things. You just tried to compare a mortality rate for the population of the US vs a mortality rate of an infected population. I believe the comparisons I've made were forthright and correctly used to fight deceptions other posters are making, like PP who purposely mislabeled "confirm case" as "all cases" to disingenuously assert an invalid claim.
Just as bad, you chose to use the Italy rate, when everyone knows their rate was inflated by having an epically unprepared health care system.Italy's death rate was 11% The far right & your assertion seems to be the death rate is only 0.1%, like ordinary flu. I stated when I made the comparison that the actual death rate in the United States will likely be better than the Death Rate in Italy, with only 1/2 or 1/3 of the high death rate that Italy experienced. You apparently believe our death rate will be 110 time better than Italy's. Real numbers simply are not bearing that out.
The White House is now projecting that their encouraged opening up of economic activity in numerous states in May will change the amount of new virus contamination in our nation from its current level of 25,000 new cases per day (being held down by current mitigation) to instead rise to 200,000 new infection cases each day when the current mitigation efforts are eased.
With our current lack of vaccines or even the lack of adequate testing levels, turning the spigot back on right now seems like a poor move we all will regret later.
ScatManDoo
05-05-20, 21:41
The 'have nots" are those 60,000 that have died in the past month. People like you remind me that half the country has less than average intelligence.Amen Jack.
ScatManDoo
05-06-20, 02:04
And you can choose to not accompany me in my jog. What you should not do is demand that I not take my job just so you can feel a bit safer while you gleefully recap fatality numbers and froth at the mouth every time Trump blinks.BodyAnybodyNobody: You go right ahead and take your jog through the medical waste of your desires.
I'll be right with you.
Cheering you on.
Probably remotely.
Penetrador
05-06-20, 14:31
The death rate per confirmed cases is inaccurate, and may be skewed way too high, due to the fact that infection is wide spread with large population of infected people show no symptoms and are untested. A more accurate figure would be death rate over the entire population.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Belgium is the worst hit with 68 deaths per 10 K population, 3 x US' rate 21 per 10 K.
US 21 dead per 10 K and growing is still very scary, especially for older folks with poor health. As cities start to open, I suspect May and June will bring out many more deaths at higher rates.
I am not going to La Zona yet. Still looking for a safe signal. I will wait for my brave, smart and sexy attorney wingman to lead the charge. He has close personal relationships with lots of girls and business owners in La Zona and feels really bad not seeing them every week.
Lots of guys have their entire social / sexual lives revolve around La Zona. This CoVid-19 pandemic really cause huge damages to their physical, sexual and emotional health.Cry me a river bro, what are you going to do when the whole world goes to shit? I don't rely on La zona, go to the street and find some hookers here!
Penetrador
05-06-20, 14:33
Why is it that you rabid lockdown proponents don't self quarantine and stop demanding that the entire world remain shut down so you feel safer?
Lock yourself in your house, have your food delivered and don't let anyone in or out. Problem solved. You will not be in danger of infection.
You can stay locked down until zero cases remain, shaking in you slippers instead of screeching that we all owe it to you to to lose our jobs, out cars etc. So you can feel safe.
The vast majority of deaths from covid 19 have been people who were already dying of another condition, or had conditions that made the problem worse.
I'm fit, don't smoke or drink to excess and have taken care of my body all my life. All of the obese, chain smoking, hard drinking diabetics put there should self isolate, have their Newport's and deep fried food delivered too.
Let the rest of us love our lives.The Government control your lives, they say Lockdown and shutdown all economy all of you do it!
Captain Solo
05-06-20, 19:13
Penetrador,
Street girls are ugly and skanky, lots of crimes and LE stings not worth prowling. Streets are empty anyway.
Did find a few escorts and masseuses still working. They are not scared of CoVid-19, don't give a shit about social distancing, and have to make their living. They fuck 10 to 12 guys a day, may be a lot more recently with the lock down. They would be exposed to infection easily and can spread it quickly.
This is the time to go back to the bible, come to Jesus and stick with your alleged monogamous wifey or an intensive relationship with Ms. Rosey Palmer.
BodyAnybody
05-06-20, 21:19
BodyAnybodyNobody: You go right ahead and take your jog through the medical waste of your desires.
I'll be right with you.
Cheering you on.
Probably remotely.Thanks buddy.
Captain Solo
05-06-20, 23:59
BodyAnyBody.
Would be ten times safer than standing downwind of Scab's pus-dripping GFs.
Thanks buddy.
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05-07-20, 07:46
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Captain Solo
05-07-20, 17:32
Perhaps Scab is smart enough to start a Tijuana Putas' non profit in exchange for free, unlimited BBBJs and BBFSs in 5-star hotel Monito.
Jaime Montejo fought to protect sex workers from COVID-19 and much more. Then the virus came for him.
Mexico city. On a cloudy afternoon this week, a few dozen sex workers gathered outside a subway station in downtown Mexico City to remember their longtime leader.
Wearing surgical masks to protect against the coronavirus, the women prayed and sang and lighted candles around a photo of Jaime Montejo, who had devoted his life to giving these women a measure of dignity.
https://enewspaper.latimes.com/desktop/latimes/default.aspx?edid=2111a8e2-4584-488f-898c-1cf40f61a5bb
Captain Solo
05-07-20, 18:01
Looks like it's impossible to avoid CoVid-19 infection.
When the damages and the pains hit home, Commander-in-Chief Donald Trump will figure out creative ways to squeezed compensation out of the guilty parties.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/politics/trump-valet-tests-positive-covid-19/index.html
One of Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus.
By Kaitlan Collins and Peter Morris, CNN Updated 12:37 PM ET, Thu May 7, 2020.
(CNN) A member of the US Navy who serves as one of President Donald Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus, CNN learned Thursday, raising concerns about the President's possible exposure to the virus.
The valets are members of an elite military unit dedicated to the White House and often work very close to the President and first family. Trump was upset when he was informed Wednesday that the valet had tested positive, a source told CNN, and the President was subsequently tested again by the White House physician.
In a statement, the White House confirmed CNN's reporting that one of the President's staffers had tested positive.
"We were recently notified by the White House Medical Unit that a member of the United States Military, who works on the White House campus, has tested positive for Coronavirus," deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley said in a statement. "The President and the Vice President have since tested negative for the virus and they remain in great health."
Valets assist the President and first family with a variety of personal tasks. They are responsible for the President's food and beverage not only in the West Wing but also travel with him when he's on the road or out of the country. Past presidents have relied on them not only for these matters, but also as confidants. The valets have an inside view to a president's personal life like few others.
A White House source said the valet, a man who has not been identified, exhibited "symptoms" Wednesday morning, and said the news that someone close to Trump had tested positive for coronavirus was "hitting the fan" in the West Wing.
Trump, who is a self-described germophobe, has chastised aides before who coughed or sneezed in his presence. He has claimed to rarely get sick himself.
Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and the senior staffers who regularly interact with them are still being tested weekly for coronavirus, two people familiar told CNN.
The White House is continuing to use the rapid Abbott Labs test, which provide results in about 15 minutes. Several officials who have received the test said it's often administered in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, next door to the West Wing on the White House grounds. A medical official swabs the staffer's nostrils and informs them that they'll be notified within the next several minutes if it's positive.
Still, the White House has not enforced strict social distancing guidelines for staffers and few people inside the building wear masks during the day, including valets.
Trump said before traveling aboard Air Force One earlier this week that he was not concerned about being in close quarters with other people since those around him are regularly tested.
"The test result comes back in five minutes, and we have great testing. Or they wouldn't be allowed to travel with me," Trump said. "It's not my choice; it's a very strong group of people that want to make sure they are tested, including Secret Service."
Still, a negative test and lack of symptoms isn't a sure sign that someone can't spread the virus.
Doctors say the incubation period for the coronavirus varies. The incubation period is the time that it takes from when you are exposed to the virus to developing symptoms. It ranges anywhere from 2-14 days. The average incubation period is estimated to be five days, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
People can be infectious, meaning they can transmit the virus to somebody else, up to two days before they start showing symptoms. Like any other virus, this can vary from person to person.
The coronavirus is spread between people mainly through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes. These droplets can then spread to the nose or mouth of people nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs, according to the CDC. This type of spread is more likely when people are in close contact with each other, within about six feet.
The CDC says that people who feel healthy but recently had close contact with a person with Covid-19 should stay home and monitor their health. They should quarantine by staying home until 14 days after their last exposure and should check their temperature twice a day and watch for symptoms. The CDC also recommends they stay away from people who are at higher risk for becoming very ill.
The White House did not say whether Trump would adhere to those guidelines after his valet tested positive.
CNN's Kevin Liptak, Jacqueline Howard, Maggie Fox and Jamie Gumbrecht contributed to this report.
Very sad. I didn't know who he was until now. I feel the say way he did. I have a lot of compassion for the girls in the Mexico sex industry etc.
Thanks for sharing.
Perhaps Scab is smart enough to start a Tijuana Putas' non profit in exchange for free, unlimited BBBJs and BBFSs in 5-star hotel Monito.
Jaime Montejo fought to protect sex workers from COVID-19 and much more. Then the virus came for him.
Mexico city. On a cloudy afternoon this week, a few dozen sex workers gathered outside a subway station in downtown Mexico City to remember their longtime leader.
Wearing surgical masks to protect against the coronavirus, the women prayed and sang and lighted candles around a photo of Jaime Montejo, who had devoted his life to giving these women a measure of dignity.
https://enewspaper.latimes.com/desktop/latimes/default.aspx?edid=2111a8e2-4584-488f-898c-1cf40f61a5bb
Captain Solo
05-10-20, 17:05
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/health/coronavirus-plague-pandemic-history.html
How pandemics end.
An infectious outbreak can conclude in more ways than one, historians say. But for whom does it end, and who gets to decide?
By Gina Kolata May 10,2020 Updated 9:43 am ET.
When will the Covid-19 pandemic end? And how?
According to historians, pandemics typically have two types of endings: the medical, which occurs when the incidence and death rates plummet, and the social, when the epidemic of fear about the disease wanes.
"When people ask, 'When will this end? They are asking about the social ending," said Dr. Jeremy Greene, a historian of medicine at Johns Hopkins.
In other words, an end can occur not because a disease has been vanquished but because people grow tired of panic mode and learn to live with a disease. Allan Brandt, a Harvard historian, said something similar was happening with Covid-19: "As we have seen in the debate about opening the economy, many questions about the so-called end are determined not by medical and public health data but by sociopolitical processes. ".
Endings "are very, very messy," said Dora Vargha, a historian at the University of Exeter. "Looking back, we have a weak narrative. For whom does the epidemic end, and who gets to say?
In the path of fear.
An epidemic of fear can occur even without an epidemic of illness. Dr. Susan Murray, of the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin, saw that firsthand in 2014 when she was a fellow at a rural hospital in Ireland.
In the preceding months, more than 11,000 people in West Africa had died from Ebola, a terrifying viral disease that was highly infectious and often fatal. The epidemic seemed to be waning, and no cases had occurred in Ireland, but the public fear was palpable.
"On the street and on the wards, people are anxious," Dr. Murray recalled recently in an article in The New England Journal of Medicine. "Having the wrong color skin is enough to earn you the side-eye from your fellow passengers on the bus or train. Cough once, and you will find them shuffling away from you. ".
The Dublin hospital workers were warned to prepare for the worst. They were terrified, and worried that they lacked protective equipment. When a young man arrived in the emergency room from a country with Ebola patients, no one wanted to go near him; nurses hid, and doctors threatened to leave the hospital.
Dr. Murray alone dared treat him, she wrote, but his cancer was so advanced that all she could offer was comfort care. A few days later, tests confirmed that the man did not have Ebola; he died an hour later. Three days afterward, the World Health Organization declared the Ebola epidemic over.
Dr. Murray wrote: "If we are not prepared to fight fear and ignorance as actively and as thoughtfully as we fight any other virus, it is possible that fear can do terrible harm to vulnerable people, even in places that never see a single case of infection during an outbreak. And a fear epidemic can have far worse consequences when complicated by issues of race, privilege, and language. ".
Black Death and dark memories.
Image Disinfecting an autopsy table at a plague hospital in Mukden, China, in 1910, during a wave of pneumonic plague, also caused by the bacteria Yersinia pestis. Credit. Library of Congress / Corbis / VCG, via Getty Images.
Bubonic plague has struck several times in the past 2,000 years, killing millions of people and altering the course of history. Each epidemic amplified the fear that came with the next outbreak.
The disease is caused by a strain of bacteria, Yersinia pestis, that lives on fleas that live on rats. But bubonic plague, which became known as the Black Death, also can be passed from infected person to infected person through respiratory droplets, so it cannot be eradicated simply by killing rats.
Historians describe three great waves of plague, said Mary Fissell, a historian at Johns Hopkins: the Plague of Justinian, in the sixth century; the medieval epidemic, in the 14th century; and a pandemic that struck in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
The medieval pandemic began in 1331 in China. The illness, along with a civil war that was raging at the time, killed half the population of China. From there, the plague moved along trade routes to Europe, North Africa and the Middle East. In the years between 1347 and 1351, it killed at least a third of the European population. Half of the population of Siena, Italy, died.
"It is impossible for the human tongue to recount the awful truth," wrote the 14th-century chronicler Agnolo di Tura. "Indeed, one who did not see such horribleness can be called blessed. " The infected, he wrote, "swell beneath the armpits and in their groins, and fall over while talking. " The dead were buried in pits, in piles.
In Florence, wrote Giovanni Boccaccio, "No more respect was accorded to dead people than would nowadays be accorded to dead goats. " Some hid in their homes. Others refused to accept the threat. Their way of coping, Boccaccio wrote, was to "drink heavily, enjoy life to the full, go round singing and merrymaking, and gratify all of one's cravings when the opportunity emerged, and shrug the whole thing off as one enormous joke."
That pandemic ended, but the plague recurred. One of the worst outbreaks began in China in 1855 and spread worldwide, killing more than 12 million in India alone. Health authorities in Bombay burned whole neighborhoods trying to rid them of the plague. "Nobody knew if it made a difference," the Yale historian Frank Snowden said.
Image Dissecting rats in New Orleans in 1914 for signs that they might be carrying bubonic plague. Credit. Corbis, via Getty Images.
It is not clear what made the bubonic plague die down. Some scholars have argued that cold weather killed the disease-carrying fleas, but that would not have interrupted the spread by the respiratory route, Dr. Snowden noted.
Or perhaps it was a change in the rats. By the 19th century, the plague was being carried not by black rats but by brown rats, which are stronger and more vicious and more likely to live apart from humans.
"You certainly wouldn't want one for a pet," Dr. Snowden said.
Another hypothesis is that the bacterium evolved to be less deadly. Or maybe actions by humans, such as the burning of villages, helped quell the epidemic.
The plague never really went away. In the United States, infections are endemic among prairie dogs in the Southwest and can be transmitted to people. Dr. Snowden said that one of his friends became infected after a stay at a hotel in New Mexico. The previous occupant of his room had a dog, which had fleas that carried the microbe.
Such cases are rare, and can now be successfully treated with antibiotics, but any report of a case of the plague stirs up fear.
One disease that actually ended.
Image Edward Jenner, one of the early developers of the smallpox vaccine, inoculating a child from the disease in 1796. Credit. Hulton Archive / Getty Images.
Among the diseases to have achieved a medical end is smallpox. But it is exceptional for several reasons: There is an effective vaccine, which gives lifelong protection; the virus, Variola minor, has no animal host, so eliminating the disease in humans meant total elimination; and its symptoms are so unusual that infection is obvious, allowing for effective quarantines and contact tracing.
But while it still raged, smallpox was horrific. Epidemic after epidemic swept the world, for at least 3,000 years. Individuals infected with the virus developed a fever, then a rash that turned into pus-filled spots, which became encrusted and fell off, leaving scars. The disease killed three out of 10 of its victims, often after immense suffering.
In 1633, an epidemic among Native Americans "disrupted all the native communities in the northeast and certainly facilitated English settlement in Massachusetts," said Harvard historian Dr. David S. Jones. William Bradford, leader of the Plymouth colony, wrote an account of the disease in Native Americans, saying the broken pustules would effectively glue a patient's skin to the mat he lay on, only to be torn off. Bradford wrote: "When they turn them, a whole side will flay off at once as it were, and they will be all of a gore blood, most fearful to behold."
The last person to contract smallpox naturally was Ali Maow Maalin, a hospital cook in Somalia, in 1977. He recovered, only to die of malaria in 2013.
Forgotten influenzas.
The 1918 flu is held up today as the example of the ravages of a pandemic and the value of quarantines and social distancing. Before it ended, the flu killed 50 million to 100 million people worldwide. It preyed on young to middle-aged adults — orphaning children, depriving families of breadwinners, killing troops in the midst of World War I.
In the autumn of 1918, William Vaughan, a prominent doctor, was dispatched to Camp Devens near Boston to report on a flu that was raging there. He saw "hundreds of stalwart young men in the uniform of their country, coming into the wards of the hospital in groups of ten or more," he wrote. "They are placed on the cots until every bed is full, yet others crowd in. Their faces soon wear a bluish cast, a distressing cough brings up blood stained sputum. In the morning the dead bodies are stacked up in the morgue like cord wood. ".
The virus, he wrote, "demonstrated the inferiority of human inventions in the destruction of human life. ".
After sweeping through the world, that flu faded away, evolving into a variant of the more benign flu that comes around every year.
"Maybe it was like a fire that, having burned the available and easily accessible wood, burns down," Dr. Snowden said.
It ended socially, too. World War I was over; people were ready for a fresh start, a new era, and eager to put the nightmare of disease and war behind them. Until recently, the 1918 flu was largely forgotten.
Other flu pandemics followed, none so bad but all nonetheless sobering. In the Hong Kong flu of 1968, one million people died worldwide, including 100,000 in the United States, mostly people older than 65. That virus still circulates as a seasonal flu, and its initial path of destruction — and the fear that went with it — is rarely recalled.
How will Covid-19 end?
Will that happen with Covid-19?
One possibility, historians say, is that the coronavirus pandemic could end socially before it ends medically. People may grow so tired of the restrictions that they declare the pandemic over, even as the virus continues to smolder in the population and before a vaccine or effective treatment is found.
"I think there is this sort of social psychological issue of exhaustion and frustration," the Yale historian Naomi Rogers said. "We may be in a moment when people are just saying: 'That's enough. I deserve to be able to return to my regular life.'
It is happening already; in some states, governors have lifted restrictions, allowing hair salons, nail salons and gyms to reopen, in defiance of warnings by public health officials that such steps are premature. As the economic catastrophe wreaked by the lockdowns grows, more and more people may be ready to say "enough."
"There is this sort of conflict now," Dr. Rogers said. Public health officials have a medical end in sight, but some members of the public see a social end.
"Who gets to claim the end?" Dr. Rogers said. "If you push back against the notion of its ending, what are you pushing back against? What are you claiming when you say, 'No, it is not ending.'
The challenge, Dr. Brandt said, is that there will be no sudden victory. Trying to define the end of the epidemic "will be a long and difficult process."
Captain Solo
05-11-20, 18:12
A good article in LA Times today.
CoVid-19 is causing widespread famine all over the world, including Mexico. Millions people are facing death by starvation.
A lot of bar and street girls in Tijuana live hand to mouth with large families to support. They are definitely going hungry. Perhaps you pervs can think of ways to help at least a few girls whom you know in this horrible human-caused global disaster, started by a dishonest and brutal political regime.
http://origin.misc.pagesuite.com/pdfdownload/31f321d6-f214-41a7-b47c-dc591d4464cb.pdf
Should be a Headline: German Autopsy Study Finds every Coronavirus Victim had Previous Illness — All Had Cancer, Lung Disease, Were Heavy Smokers or Morbidly Obese.
Gateway Pundit .
05/11/2020.
Jim Hoft.
The WHO Director, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, estimated on March 3, 2020 that the coronavirus mortality rate was 3. 4% This was a completely inaccurate number that caused a global panic. Via Dr. Andrew Bostom.
Head of Forensic Pathology in Hamburg on covid19 autopsy findings: "not a single person w / out previous illness has died of the virus in Hamburg. All had cancer, chronic lung dis, were heavy smokers or heavily obese, or had diabetes or cardiovasc dis" 1/3 https://t.co/u4Pi9ntRT0 pic. twitter.com/ PaSdh2 UnF5.
— Andrew Bostom (at andrewbostom) May 11,2020.
3/3 "By focusing strongly on the rather few negative processes, fears are created that are very burdensome. Covid-19 is a deadly disease only in exceptional cases, but in most cases it is a mostly harmless virus infection".
Add it to the pile:
New York City: 99% of fatalities of all age groups had underlying conditions.
Italy: 98%.
Britain: 95%https://t.co/uAhgn5I9anhttps://t.co/sxqTq51mvkhttps://t.co/TUNgUyFcJf.
— Karl Dierenbach (at Dierenbach) May 11,2020.
The data provided by NHS England shows that, as of 5 pm on 26 April, 18,749 people had died in hospital with the virus.
In a small number of cases, it was not possible to confirm if a patient did or did not have an underlying health condition.
But for those where it was, 95% were found to have serious pre-existing issues. . ."
Commenter: Instead of mandated sheltering and protection of the institutionalized elderly, and strongly recommending supporting the most vulnerable, the main USA Approach was trying to shelter all the healthy from all the healthy but doing not much to insure the most vulnerable most of all were sheltered. What a waste.
Captain Solo
05-11-20, 21:34
Just as suspected, AMLO government is reporting only about 30% of CoVid-9 deaths.
Mexico is trying to keep its economy going at the same time killing off the marginal population.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/world/americas/mexico-coronavirus-count.html?searchResultPosition=3
Hidden toll: Mexico ignores Waves of Coronavirus deaths in Capital.
By Azam AhmedPhotographs by Daniel Berehulak May 8, 2020.
MEXICO CITY — The Mexican government is not reporting hundreds, possibly thousands, of deaths from the coronavirus in Mexico City, dismissing anxious officials who have tallied more than three times as many fatalities in the capital than the government publicly acknowledges, according to officials and confidential data.
The tensions have come to a head in recent weeks, with Mexico City alerting the government to the deaths repeatedly, hoping it will come clean to the public about the true toll of the virus on the nation's biggest city and, by extension, the country at large.
But that has not happened. Doctors in overwhelmed hospitals in Mexico City say the reality of the epidemic is being hidden from the country. In some hospitals, patients lie on the floor, splayed on mattresses. Elderly people are propped up on metal chairs because there are not enough beds, while patients are turned away to search for space in less-prepared hospitals. Many die while searching, several doctors said.
"It's like we doctors are living in two different worlds," said Dr. Giovanna Avila, who works at Hospital de Especialidades Belisario Domínguez. "One is inside of the hospital with patients dying all the time. And the other is when we walk out onto the streets and see people walking around, clueless of what is going on and how bad the situation really is. ".
Mexico City officials have tabulated more than 2,500 deaths from the virus and from serious respiratory illnesses that doctors suspect were related to Covid-19, according to the data, which was reviewed by The New York Times. Yet the federal government is reporting about 700 in the area, which includes Mexico City and the municipalities on its outskirts.
Nationwide, the federal government has reported about 3,000 confirmed deaths from the virus, plus nearly 250 suspected of being related, in a country of more than 120 million people. But experts say Mexico has only a minimal sense of the real scale of the epidemic because it is testing so few people.
Far fewer than one in 1,000 people in Mexico are tested for the virus — by far the lowest of the dozens of nations in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which average about 23 tests for every 1,000 people.
The government says Mexico has been faring better than many of the world's largest countries, and on Monday its Covid-19 czar estimated that the final death toll would be around 6,000 people.
"We have flattened the curve," Hugo López-Gatell, the health ministry official who has become the face of the country's response, said this week.
But the government did not respond to questions about the deaths in Mexico City. It also denied repeated requests by The Times over the course of three weeks to identify all deaths related to respiratory illnesses since January, saying the data was incomplete.
One former health secretary, José Narro Robles, has accused Mr. López-Gatell of lying to the people of Mexico. And some state governments are beginning to draw similar conclusions: that, much like Mexico City found, the data presented by the government does not reflect reality.
Official counts in many countries have understated the number of deaths during the pandemic, especially where limited testing has prevented the virus from being diagnosed, a Times review of mortality data has found. In Ecuador, six times more people have died than official figures reflect, the data show. In Italy, the overall increase in deaths in March was nearly twice official counts.
In Mexico City, the doubts started a month ago, when the city's mayor, Claudia Sheinbaum, began to suspect that federal data and modeling on the epidemic were flawed, according to three people with knowledge of the matter.
She had already instructed her staff to call every public hospital in the Mexico City area to ask about all confirmed and suspected Covid-19 deaths, the people said. In the last week, that effort found that the deaths were more than three times what the federal government reported.
The disagreements have taken place largely behind the scenes, as Ms. Sheinbaum, who declined to comment for this article, has been loath to publicly embarrass President Andrés Manuel López Obrador, her close political ally. The city and the federal government continue to work together on a number of fronts, including getting ventilators.
But the data from Mexico City calls into question the federal government's grasp of the crisis in the country.
With such limited testing and doubts about the government's models, experts say federal estimates for when the nation will reach its peak, how long the epidemic will last and how bad the damage will be may not be reliable.
That disconnect has left cities and states across the country scrambling to meet the demand for protective equipment and ventilators. It also underplays the severity of the epidemic for millions of Mexicans, making it hard for them to determine how bad the situation is — and how seriously to take it.
Image Coffins of Covid-19 victims were stacked behind the crematorium at a cemetery in Xochimilco on Thursday.
"That is shocking," said Fernando Alarid-Escudero, who has a Ph. The. In health decision sciences and who developed an independent model in collaboration with scientists at Stanford University to chart the curve of the epidemic in Mexico. "If that is case, and we are not really capturing all those people who eventually die, we are not getting a sense of the picture."
"We are way underestimating the magnitude of the epidemic," he added.
In Tijuana, hospitals are already overwhelmed. Doctors and nurses across the country have held public protests against the lack of protective gear, and several hospitals along the border have suffered outbreaks of the virus among medical personnel. Federal officials have been scrambling to buy respirators, long after seeing the outbreaks grip China, Europe and the United States.
One big reason for the competing death tolls in Mexico has to do with the way the federal government is testing, vetting and reporting the data. The official results include a two-week lag, people familiar with the process say, which means timely information is not available publicly.
More worrisome, they say, are the many deaths absent from the data altogether, as suggested by the figures from Mexico City, where the virus has struck hardest of all. Some people die from acute respiratory illness and are cremated without ever getting tested, officials say. Others are dying at home without being admitted to a hospital — and are not even counted under Mexico City's statistics.
Beyond that, Mexico appears to be vastly underreporting suspected deaths from coronavirus. Data published by the federal government on May 7 show only 245 suspicious deaths nationwide.
The gap in information has left many Mexicans with a sense that their country has avoided the harrowing outbreaks afflicting nations like the United States, where nearly 1. 2 million people have been infected and more than 70,000 people have died, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
Publicly, Mr. López-Gatell, the health ministry official, has become something of a celebrity, steering nightly news conferences in which he assures the public that things are moving according to plan.
But there have been problems with the government's assumptions from the very beginning, according to three people familiar with its preparations. As early as February, they said, the government was using Wuhan, China — the city where the pandemic originated — to model the potential needs and response in Mexico.
But those calculations quickly went awry, the people said, as officials realized the dynamic in China was entirely different from the one in Mexico. As the outbreak spread in Wuhan, Chinese officials locked down the city and the surrounding province, prohibiting tens of millions of people from traveling.
In Mexico, by contrast, the lockdown measures have been optional, with officials simply urging people to go to hospitals or stay at home, depending on symptoms. There are no travel restrictions in or out of Mexico City.
In the last month, the government has added experts to review the data and analysis, after urging from the country's foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, and other officials. But even those newer models make assumptions that experts feel are inadequate.
The main model the country is believed to now be using assumes only 5 percent of the infected population show symptoms, and that only 5 percent of those patients will go to the hospital, according to modeling documents obtained by The Times.
"Their model is wrong" said Laurie Ann Ximénez-Fyvie, a Harvard-trained Ph. The. At the National Autonomous University of Mexico, adding that symptomatic and severe cases could be significantly higher. "There is very good consensus on that."
Several experts also questioned Mexico's assumptions of how quickly the epidemic will pass. Its model shows a sharp rise in infections, followed by a sharp decline. But in almost no other country in the world has there been a rapid decline after a peak.
"There is a long tail for the curve, and the number of deaths does not drop to zero anytime in the near future," said Nilanjan Chatterjee, a professor in the department of biostatistics at the Bloomberg School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins University. "The graph they are using is inconsistent with the shapes of the curve in other countries.
Would require more Southern California counties robust roll out to Phase II Stay at Home Order modification to visit Tijuana. CBP warning are crystal clear in the Phase I period, "Stay at Home."
As of May 13, 2020.
Phase I.
All other counties.
LosAngeles County Mid July Phase II? Dr. Ferrer May 12.
Phase II Rollout.
Amador County.
Butte County.
El Dorado County.
Lessen County.
Neveda County.
Placer County.
Shasta County.
Cdph. Ca. Gov / Programs.
Captain Solo
05-14-20, 09:56
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21255012/coronavirus-covid-19-mexico-death-count-cases
Mexico is severely — and maybe purposely — undercounting its coronavirus deaths.
By some estimates, Mexico's coronavirus cases are 17 times higher than officially reported.
By Alex Ward@AlexWardVoxalex.warthe at vox.com May 13,2020, 1:40 pm EDT.
The coronavirus has killed thousands of people in Mexico. But suspicions swirl that President Andrés Manuel López Obrador's administration is severely — and perhaps purposely — undercounting Mexico's Covid-19 deaths.
As of May 13, Mexico reported more than 38,000 infections and nearly 4,000 deaths. Those are by no means small numbers (even if they're leaps and bounds less than America's). But the problem, experts say, is that the real totals are likely orders of magnitude higher. How high, though, is anyone's guess.
"The numbers do not appear to reflect the death toll for certain," Donna Patterson, an expert on Mexico's health care system at Delaware State University, told me. "At the federal level, the numbers aren't being reported accurately."
Indeed, Mexican mayors, doctors, funeral home directors, and even former officials have said in recent weeks that they have reported death toll numbers only not to see them reflected in official federal government counts.
While the Mexican government itself has effectively acknowledged an undercount — saying it assumes the number of actual coronavirus cases is eight times higher than the numbers it has — its estimate is still far below what other experts contend.
A woman wears a mask while washing her hands in Mexico City on May 12. Ricardo Castelan Cruz / Eyepix Group / Barcroft Media via Getty Images.
It's not clear if the case-counting disparity comes from inefficiency, incompetence, or deliberate obfuscation, but it's a damning state of affairs. Some experts, like Dr. Laurie Ann Ximénez-Fyvie, the molecular genetics lab chief at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM), think the undercount might be a deliberate decision by the federal government.
"If Mexico is good at anything, it's hiding numbers," she told me.
Recent media investigations, including by the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and Spain's El País, appear to support those claims. In fact, El País says that Mexico likely has between 620,000 and 730,000 coronavirus cases — about 17 times higher than the official count.
On top of that, Mexico also has one of the lowest testing rates among developed countries, and it doesn't appear that it'll increase anytime soon. Combined with the undercount, some experts say, the nation is flying blind as to the extent of its true coronavirus woes.
"The numbers are really not the problem," Ximénez-Fyvie said. The issue is that "we don't even know who the sick people are, and we don't know where they are," meaning Mexican health officials can't identify clusters of infection that may overwhelm the nation's health care system.
It's also not good news for North America in general. The US has a major crisis of its own, with roughly 1. 3 million cases and more than 80,000 deaths as of May 13. Having a southern neighbor with similar issues will only make the disease in both countries — and throughout Central America — harder to quash.
For those and other reasons, experts want Mexico not only to ratchet up its coronavirus response but also to come clean with its statistics. Otherwise, former Mexican Health Minister José Narro Robles tweeted last month, the government will further foment "distrust and uncertainty. ".
"We can't keep up".
It's important to note that most countries are likely missing (and therefore undercounting) pandemic-caused deaths. But all it takes to realize that Mexico has a bigger problem on its hands is to listen to what local leaders are telling the media.
Jesús Roman, the mayor of Chimalhuacáand, a city near the nation's capital, told Al Jazeera on Sunday that the federal government "counted us as having 24 dead, but we had 87 — more than three times more than that."
Mayor Maricela Serrano of the central city of Ixtapaluca also told the outlet that "up until Saturday night, we had 54 people die of Covid-19. . And in the daily roundups from the state and federal government, they've only registered 16 deaths."
Those dealing with the bodies have been overwhelmed in recent weeks. "We are working triple what we usually do. We can't keep up," José Jardines, a crematorium official near Mexico City, told Al Jazeera. "Before, we cremated one to three bodies a day. Now, it's up to 15 or 20. " Cremation centers are so overworked that staff sometimes leave bodies at hospitals for an extra day because they don't have the space.
Even the president's allies are aware of the problem.
Mexico City's mayor, Claudia Sheinbaum, suspected the federal government's data was wrong and had staff call public hospitals in the capital to get their death counts, the New York Times reported. They found that the hospitals' numbers were about three times higher than the federal government's. However, she has yet to lambaste President López Obrador because of their close political ties.
Despite what local political and medical leaders say, the federal government isn't listening. And that's only likely to make Mexico's coronavirus recovery efforts much, much harder. "Maybe Mexico will be the textbook case of what happens when the government just did nothing," UNAM's Ximénez-Fyvie told me.
The major problems in Mexico's coronavirus response.
To understand how Mexico got into this mess, you need to understand two things: how slowly the government responded, and its current, controversial strategy.
Even as the coronavirus made its way into the country, Mexico's president — who goes by AMLO — made repeated statements to assure the country that everything was fine.
"Live life as usual," he said in a video posted to Facebook on March 22, six days after US President Donald Trump first debuted his "15 days to slow the spread" plan. "If you're able and have the means to do so, continue taking your family out to eat. Because that strengthens the economy," he said in the video, seated outside at a restaurant.
In fact, he proceeded to hold political rallies, kiss supporters, and request that Mexicans go out shopping to keep the nation's businesses humming. Only 250 cases had been reported by the end of March.
AMLO's dithering delayed Mexico's reaction to the growing crisis, and gave thousands of Mexicans a false sense of security. Recent Google mobility reports, which track how often people in a country roam around outside, showed that Mexicans observed social distancing measures less seriously than nations in Europe or even the US.
However, an important caveat is that nearly 60 percent of Mexicans work in the "informal economy" as street chefs, artists, construction workers, and the like. Their livelihoods depend on working outside to sell their goods and services. Without doing so, their ability to purchase food and necessities for themselves and their families becomes near impossible.
Without a major intervention from AMLO and his government, then, a major coronavirus spread was going to be the likely outcome.
The government did, eventually, start to counter the disease in March. But as Ximénez-Fyvie told me, the three phases of Mexico's initially promising coronavirus strategy quickly faltered.
The government's "Phase 1" plan, she said, was to test imported cases of coronavirus and track their contacts. That made sense as a start, she said, as the only way the disease was likely to get into the country was from abroad. In her mind, Mexico's government responded appropriately and well.
But the strategy broke down in "Phase 2. " Using the Sentinel surveillance program at more than 250 labs around Mexico, the government could track local transmissions of Covid-19. This system, which is also used in the US and Canada, allowed health officials to estimate the number of coronavirus cases in the country.
That's all well and good, but the problem is the government had no idea who, exactly, these people were, if they were symptomatic, or if they were isolating. The only way to do that would be not just to estimate the number of cases, but to confirm them with a widespread testing and tracing program. But since Mexico had (and still has) the lowest testing rate per 1,000 people among developed nations, its ability to figure any of that out was next to impossible.
World Economic Forum.
So the government started to guess what the scope of the outbreak really was. On April 8, Hugo López-Gatell Ramírez, Mexico's Covid-19 response chief, told CNN he and his team would multiply the total of confirmed, tested coronavirus cases by eight. He said he arrived at that number because the estimates from the Sentinel program were eight times higher than the confirmed infections total.
Such a back-of-the-envelope calculation, experts say, isn't typical for governments, though all countries must do some educated guesswork during a pandemic. What's more, Ximénez-Fyvie told me, López-Gatell's own numbers from March and April show that Sentinel estimates were about 24 to 31 times higher than the tested, confirmed cases.
López-Gatell has yet to amend his government's estimation plan. In fact, he's defended the unknown spread in Mexico because he claims it will lead the country toward a herd immunity against the disease faster.
"How many cases are there? A lot, a lot. Hundreds of thousands," he said during a May 7 press conference. "If only it were millions, because that's what would stop the epidemic: to have a lot of infected people. ".
Importantly, however, the science is still not clear if a country can achieve herd immunity from the coronavirus, and any attempts to achieve such a status puts the most vulnerable people in danger.
López-Gatell 7-may: "en la medida en que hay enfermedad, infecciones, contagios. Siempre puede regresar a un país. Excepto que alcancemos un elemento que técnicamente se llama «inmunidad de rebaño»."
The situation is likely to get worse now that Mexico has been in "Phase 3" of its coronavirus plan since late April. The goal is to prevent hospitals from getting overrun with sick patients and no longer emphasize tracking the estimated number of cases through the Sentinel program.
There's a good reason for this focus: Mexico's health care system is in poor shape. It has about 1. 4 hospital beds per 1,000 people, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, just over 2,000 ventilators in the entire country, and few coronavirus tests.
But on its own, boosting health care would be a major undertaking for Mexico. AMLO has severely cut the health care sector in an effort to control government spending. In 2019, for example, around 10,000 health professionals were laid off due to a 44 percent cut to a public health and welfare agency. That's led to delays in surgeries for children, reductions in staff, and cancellations of many forms of treatments for patients.
The bigger issue, though, is that prioritizing hospital capacity won't do anything to stop the spread of infection, which has been poorly tracked and may end up overwhelming medical facilities in the long term.
"It's like your house was flooded because you left your faucet on, and you decided to solve the problem by grabbing a bucket to scoop the water out. The house will continue to flood until you turn the faucet off," said Ximénez-Fyvie.
Will Tijuana transmission rate drop for HK to reopen?
Just a new normal.
https://www.welikela.com/how-safer-at-home-allows-l-a-county-to-reopen/
Would require more Southern California counties robust roll out to Phase II Stay at Home Order modification to visit Tijuana. CBP warning are crystal clear in the Phase I period, "Stay at Home."
As of May 13, 2020.
Phase I.
All other counties.
LosAngeles County Mid July Phase II? Dr. Ferrer May 12.
Phase II Rollout.
Amador County.
Butte County.
El Dorado County.
Lessen County.
Neveda County.
Placer County.
Shasta County.
Cdph. Ca. Gov / Programs.
Alameda County has about 141 cases and 5 deaths for every 100,000 residents, although that varies significantly by race. *Black Alameda County residents had disproportionally high death rates, with 9.6 deaths for every 100,000 residents compared to death rates of 5.3 for Latinos, 5.1 for white residents and 2.7 for Asian residents.
Will Tijuana transmission rate drop for HK to reopen?
Just a new normal.
https://www.welikela.com/how-safer-at-home-allows-l-a-county-to-reopen/
Captain Solo
05-19-20, 16:20
To date US has 1.54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
The confirmed infected had obvious symptoms and were tested by healthcare. The infected population with no or mild symptoms who went untested are unknown. The infected rate may be 10 times or 5,000 per 100 K pop and going higher. It's unknown that if even recovered they still carry the virus and can infect others. The probability for US population to get infected is conservatively estimated 1 in 20 presently and going higher. For guys who are going to La Zona to hump chicas, the probability is much higher due to mingling in close proximity to a high risk population, may be 10 times higher, or 1 in 2.
A strong and healthy bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then returned to normal. He said he may have contracted it in La Zona or at his health club. He's going in for antibodies test this week. I urged him to post his infos but he was reluctant, probably does not want to be avoided by his favoritas or ridiculed by the bullies in this forum.
A few bros have decades of experiences with lots of local contacts and good intelligence in La Zona that would be very helpful, but are reluctant to post primarily to avoid being roughed up. I urge the bros to go easy on other posters. If disputing someone, make sure you do your homework, providing solid facts, reliable data or credible witnesses.
Captain Solo
05-19-20, 16:36
More than one million people infected with covid-19 in Mexico.
By Yucatan Times on May 15,2020.
https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2020/05/more-than-one-million-people-infected-with-covid-19-in-mexico/
For every confirmed case, there can be 25 more Covid-19 infections; carriers of the virus can make thousands sick, specialists warn.
MEXICO (El Universal) – Mexican scientists specializing in mathematics, statistics, and infectious diseases warned that there could be up to 25 times more cases of Covid-19 in the country than those confirmed by laboratory tests. This would mean between 881,000 and 1. 27 million people infected, many without symptoms but with the capacity to infect.
The data come from estimates made by scientists consulted by EL UNIVERSAL. Alejandro Macias, considered the expert on the H1 N1 epidemic in 2009, when he was the National Commissioner for the Prevention and Control of the SSA, explained that until laboratory tests are carried out to look for antibodies in people's blood, as was done in New York, it will not be known precisely how many people were infected with Covid-19.
However, he believed that because of the size of the disease and its spread, there are currently more than 1 million people in the country infected with Covid-19.
"In Mexico, we are unlikely to have less than 1% of people infected with coronavirus of the national population. I don't think it will be less and hopefully many more so that many will have antibodies. If we are 127 million people, at least 1. 27 million could have already been infected in Mexico. That figure may cause some commotion, but if I say that 1 percent of the population is already infected, no one is surprised. It is the same," the specialist added.
Arturo Erdely Ruiz, an academic from the Acatláand School of Higher Studies (FES), with level 1 membership in the National System of Researchers and a Ph. The. In Mathematics, calculated that the disease might be 23 times larger than what we know from the most recent estimate data published by the SSA on May 3.
The data is obtained by applying an expansion factor of 23 times, which means how many patients there may be for each case confirmed through laboratory testing. The estimated cases positive to Covid-19 are divided by the accumulated number of confirmed cases up to the moment this estimate was made.
By applying this expansion factor, also called the multiplication factor, to the 38,324 cases of Covid-19 reported by the Health Secretariat on Tuesday, the estimate is that 881,452 infected people in the country. Most may be carriers of the virus but may not have developed symptoms, which does not prevent them from being infected.
"That factor was initially at 31.3 times as of April 8 but had been dropping. The last time I estimated it with the information they gave until May 3, it is estimated to be around 23 times. That's the ratio we can have between confirmed and estimated cases. Of the expected cases, the majority are mild, the minority are the serious ones that arrive at the hospitals," the expert explained to EL UNIVERSAL.
On May 3, the SSA said 104,562 people in the country tested positive for Covid-19, according to information obtained from the Sentinel epidemiological surveillance model. This system is a kind of survey applied by the federal government to identify cases of coronavirus in 475 health monitoring units of respiratory disease. Its objective is to collect useful quality data instead of large amounts of information but of poor quality.
By dividing the 104,562 estimated cases by 4,524 confirmed instances at that time, Erdely's multiplication factor was 23 Covid-19 estimates for each positive.
"For Mexico, I estimate as of Tuesday, with the factor I have been proposing, that we will have about 900,000 people infected, estimated total cases. There's no need to panic. These are mild cases, some have already been cured. We are talking about the total number of infected people in Mexico that will close the year with 1. 8 million," said the mathematician.
The expansion factor can vary according to the evolution of the epidemic. Still, the SSA removed from its daily reports the data that allowed scientists to make these estimates with greater precision.
Gustavo Cruz, a member of the Institute of Applied Mathematics and Systems Research (IIMAS), explained to EL UNIVERSAL there is a sub-accounting in the number of cases, but this is a reality that occurs worldwide, where the expansion or multiplication factor of cases has reached up to 50%, which can also occur in Mexico.
"We calculate the expansion factor for the number of infected people between 50 and 80, but I insist that the number is vast because it includes people who are infected and who will never have symptoms, never realizing they had the disease," he said. "The numbers that governments get are only from the people who come to health services. For every one of these, there are about 50 who never make it to the health service and are still infecting. This is an estimate we made at the beginning of the epidemic in China and other Asian countries," he explained.
Since April 8, the SSA announced that more people in the country are infected than can be confirmed by PCR laboratory tests. Applying a multiplication factor of 8. 4 times, it estimated the existence of 26,519 cases, even though only 3,181 had been established with tests.
Went by Farmacia Similares to buy more HCQ this morning but the clerk checked her computer and said they were all sold out. She said that Costco would have it in stock. Stopped by Piri's to get some eye drops and asked if they had any HCQ in stock and they did. Piri's Farmacia has a box of HCQ for around 650 pesos for those who want a backup box if they feel like they are coming down with the Wuflu. . . Remember to buy some zinc picolinate as it may not work to reduce the Wuflu severity without the zinc. Read up on the recommended protocols from the Indian Ministry of Health Council or the Eastern Virgina Medical School protocol for HCQ. . .
Captain Solo
05-21-20, 19:17
The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.
Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.
Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/
1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.
2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.
3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.
4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.
5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.
To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.
Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.
Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/
1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.
2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.
3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.
4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.
5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.
To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.I don't worry about coronavirus. I took a day trip into Manhattan to see if it could get me. It felt like tijuana, one false move, touch a park bench without a glove, stand to close to someone, maybe it spreads on the subway in the air and you never see it comming, reminds me alot of the dangers of tijuana if you go wandering more than 6 feet from Hong kongs front door.
Captain Solo
05-22-20, 18:51
Tijauna 's official deaths is 392 to date, but they have not been counting people who died with same symptoms at homes or in ambulances.
By using data from emergency calls, the Red Cross estimated true death count is about 12 x officials count, or 4,702 to date and rising, among 2. 14 mil population. That's 220 deaths per 100 K or 1 death in 455 residents, about 7 x death rate in US, about 1 in 3,500.
There is a little bit of good news: the death count has gone down this week per Red Cross. We don't know how much it went down, but it shows Tijuana has gone over the peak infection last week.
BodyAnybody
05-22-20, 22:48
The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.
Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.
Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/
1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.
2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.
3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.
4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.
5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.
To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.
That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.And meanwhile, infection rates are probably much much higher, and hospitals are over reporting covid deaths. In retrospect, I believe that we are going to find that the shutdown was an overreaction.
I know it won't happen, but some politicians should be locked up for civil rights violations.
Captain Solo
05-23-20, 17:22
Baja has 3,000 confirmed cases with 518 deaths and rising. The infection is not pealing yet.
Due to lack of monitoring and shoddy accounting, the numbers are estimated 10 x official figures.
Baja California Covid-19 Confirmed 3,040 Recovered 2,118 Deaths 518.
https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=3UzJXs7RNYXB-wTNvJCQBA&q=tijuana+covid+19+cases&oq=tijuana+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3 ktYWIQARgAMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoOCAAQ6 gIQtAIQmgEQ5 QJQ8 EpYzmNg_XloAnAAeACAAUWIAdsGkgECMTOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3 Mtd2 l6 sAEG&sclient=psy-ab.
Wonder if the Paraditas would charge extra if you wanted them to wear a mask.
They would look very cute wearing one.
Goyo.
BodyAnybody
05-26-20, 10:07
Admin2 posted this link in another thread.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html
The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
ScatManDoo
05-27-20, 04:23
Admin2 posted this link in another thread.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html
The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.Your link does not support your assertion of a fatality rate of 0.004%.
Instead the most prominent text displayed by your link is a big boldfaced "OOPS- Page not found".
Here is a useful link to Oxford Martin on mortality rates:https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-compared-to-other-diseases.
Mortality risk of COVID-19.
The mortality risk of COVID-19 is the likelihood that someone who catches the disease will die from it.
10.5% of people with a cardiovascular disease who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.
7.3% of people with diabetes who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.
6% of people with Hypertension (high blood pressure) who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.
0. 9% of people with no health conditions died. (I believe these are global / worldwide figures).
So if you were looking at one million otherwise healthy people that contacted COVID-19, it would be expected that 9,000 of them would die.
If the mortality rate was only 0. 004% (I wish) instead the more correct 0. 9% mortality rate, then in one million healthy people that contacted COVID-19, only 40 of them would die.
Captain Solo
05-28-20, 15:44
'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.
Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.
By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.
The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.
In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.
Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations.
Now, the pandemic is making matters much worse, sickening more than 11,000 Mexican health workers — one of the highest rates in the world — and depleting the already thin ranks in hospitals. Some hospitals have lost half their staff to illness and absenteeism. Others are running low on basic equipment, like heart monitors.
The shortages have had devastating consequences for patients, according to interviews with health workers across the country. Several doctors and nurses recounted dozens of preventable deaths in hospitals — the result of neglect or mistakes that never should have happened.
"We have had many of what we call 'dumb deaths, said Pablo Villaseñor, a doctor at the General Hospital in Tijuana, the center of an outbreak. "It's not the virus that is killing them. It's the lack of proper care."
Patients die because they're given the wrong medications, or the wrong dose, health workers say. The protective gloves at some hospitals are so old that they crack the moment they're slipped on, nurses say. People are often not sedated properly, then wake up and yank out their own breathing tubes, hospital employees say.
Adriana de la Cruz, a nurse at Dr. Belisario Domínguez hospital in the southeast corner of Mexico City, said the overstretched and often undertrained work force has made glaring errors — at great cost.
"People have died because of a lack of medical attention and because of negligence," said Ms. De la Cruz. "These patients would have a better chance of surviving if we could offer better care."
The Mexican government spends less on health care as a percent of its economy than most countries in the Western Hemisphere, according to the World Bank, and President Andrés Manuel López Obrador presided over spending cuts even after acknowledging his country had 200,000 fewer health care workers than it needed.
When the epidemic hit Mexico in March, many hospitals sent front-line workers to confront the deluge of cases without any protective equipment or training. Some nurses say they were told not to wear masks to avoid causing panic. Many say they were forced to buy face shields and goggles themselves.
The fallout has been severe. About one in five confirmed cases in Mexico are health workers — a greater share than in the United States, Italy or China.
Mexico's outbreak is growing quickly and shows no signs of slowing. Reported cases and deaths have risen every week for the last couple of months, hitting Mexico City and Baja California, which includes Tijuana, particularly hard.
After a Times analysis found evidence that federal authorities were underreporting fatalities, a top federal health official publicly conceded that the government does not have an accurate count of deaths caused by the virus.
At Dr. Villaseñor's hospital, there are so few doctors left that during some shifts, critically-ill patients are going eight hours without anyone checking on them, he said.
"You hear of one patient dying because he didn't get the proper care — and then another one and another one — and you try not to become paralyzed," added Dr. Villaseñor, a rheumatologist who said he had to learn how to suit up to treat coronavirus patients by watching a video on YouTube.
As Mexico's population grew during the last decade, the government kept hospital funding low, devoting less than 3 percent of its national output to health care. World Bank data shows that by 2017, well before Mr. López Obrador took office, only two countries in Central and South America spent less on health than Mexico as a share of their economies: Guatemala and Venezuela.
"Administration after administration gave lip service to the issue of health, but it never showed up as a priority in the budget," Judith Méndez, an analyst at the Economic and Budgetary Research Center, said of Mexico's successive governments.
The Mexican government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Local health ministers in Baja California and Mexico City also declined to comment.
Patients have filed thousands of complaints with the country's human rights commission about negligence in hospitals in recent years. And the quality of care only diminished further after hospital workers in Mexico endured some of the nation's first coronavirus outbreaks.
Many countries have struggled with doctors and nurses falling ill, but in Mexico the problem is particularly bad. The government's data suggests around one in five confirmed coronavirus cases in the country are health workers.
"If health workers are getting sick at this rate, bottom line is you risk not having a health work force to look after people," said Howard Catton, the chief executive of the International Council of Nurses. Ms. De la Cruz, the nurse in Mexico City, said that her hospital initially instructed employees not to wear masks around a patient until the person tested positive for coronavirus.
"You waited three or four days to see if the patient tested positive, and in the meantime you got infected," said Ms. De la Cruz, who noted that 80 of her colleagues have gotten sick.
Some hospitals did prepare early for the virus, which swept the United States and Europe before outbreaks flared in Mexico. In Monterrey, doctors said protocols to shield workers were put in place months ago. Rodolfo Ruiz, an infectious disease specialist, says he feels protected at his public hospital in Mexicali, even as hospital beds fill up.
But the missteps in some of the hardest hit cities have brought overrun hospitals to a breaking point, workers say. Doctors and nurses have staged protests outside their hospitals in at least a dozen states, according to local news reports. Some doctors and nurses have refused to treat coronavirus patients.
Rosario Luna, a nurse at the José María Morelos and Pavón hospital in Mexico City, described treating Covid-19 patients with broken heart monitors and faulty suction machines.
At Dr. Carlos Mac Gregor hospital in Mexico City, Berenice Andrade, a doctor, said that one internist quit because of the lack of personnel and that only one doctor watched over 54 patients during the weekends.
"It makes the care we offer very deficient," said Dr. Andrade. "The patient's health is of course affected. ".
Five health workers have died at La Raza Medical Center, a public hospital complex in Mexico City, according to a spokesman for the federal health system. This month, one of the hospitals started offering psychological support to workers.
"It's not easy knowing that one day you were working with someone and the next, they aren't there anymore," said Ivette theíaz, an intensive care nurse, who is 37 and lives with her elderly parents. "I'm scared every day. My alarm goes off and I don't want to go to work. ".
The hospital has never had enough supplies, she said. Bandages don't stick to patients because they've lost their adhesive. But after her colleagues blocked roads leading into the hospital last month, executives began providing more protective equipment. Still, the masks that they gave out were perforated, because of a manufacturing flaw, Ms. Theíaz said.
"If here in Mexico they invested in the health sector, if we had adequate materials, things would look very different," she said.
She spent her day off recently scouring the streets of her neighborhood until she found a local vendor to sell her a batch of masks. She paid $7 for each, a small price for a mask free of holes, she decided.
ScatManDoo
05-28-20, 19:19
Admin2 posted this link in another thread.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html
The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.BodyAnyBody: Did you even read the material from the thread you provided / posted?
Where exactly from the CDC website did you get the 0.004% rate that you assert?
Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.
"You know how reading the news sometimes makes you wish you were illiterate? Yeah, this is one of those days. Last week, a Nevada woman died while undergoing treatment in a Las Vegas hospital. While her cause of death was officially ruled as a bacterial infection, some medical professionals are calling the woman's death a potential warning shot in the upcoming war against unstoppable superbugs. The bacteria responsible for the woman's death belongs to a class of potentially deadly drug-resistant bacteria known as CREs — carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae. Carbapenem are a type of antibiotics typically given to treat infections of drug-resistant bacteria; the fact that a new class of superbugs are resistant to even these drugs is worrying many in the medical industry.
Bill Hanage, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at Harvard, told medical news blog STAT that according to these latest data, we might have already lost the war against superbugs. . . " Also, in Mexico, the hospital staff are very old fashioned. They expect their patients to pay their bills. Which means you do not get to leave until payment is made and hospital security will lock you down until you or your family pays up. . . A number of Americans make this discovery on their vacations after an accident and discuss their nightmare experiences on the Mexico Vacation Awareness blog. . .
'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.
Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.
By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.
The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.
In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.
Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations..
Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.Several years ago, when I had some back surgery, the surgeon told me that as soon as I was able to get up and walk around, I. E. The day of the surgery, or the next day, I was to get out and go home. He said the worst place for a sick person to be is the hospital.
Captain Solo
05-29-20, 17:24
CDC now suspects a much larger US population has been infected with CoVid-19 but showed no or mild symptoms, therefore undetected, untested, untreated.
One of the bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then recovered. He went to LabCorp for an antibody test and tested positive. That means he is immune and can go to La Zona and have sexy fun with pretty chicas.
He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.
Any bros and chicas tested positive for CoVid-19 antibodies should have immunity and can fun with immunity. I am waiting for my appointment.
https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19
ScatManDoo
05-29-20, 18:39
He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.
https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19Over two weeks ago the FDA put out an announcement stating their concerns about the accuracy of the Abbot test.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-informs-public-about-possible-accuracy-concerns-abbott-id-now-point
Captain Solo
05-29-20, 18:49
Travv,
Surprisingly hospitals, especially those in poor countries like Mexico and Asia, carry high risks in spreading diseases. Even in the US, look at doctors and nurses who have been infected with CoVid-19 and died. If you feel healthy, it's wise to stay away from hospitals. But if you are infected and feel sick, you will need to get in line for one of those ventilators.
Americans are over-medicated, take a lot of medicines, sometimes unnecessarily. There are super-bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. When they really need the medications, their bodies may have already been immune to treatments. Damn. I would take as little medicines as possible.
In So Cal a few hospitals are known as death traps. Their staff are unprofessional, incompetent, unreliable, make lots of lethal mistakes, causing permanent injuries or deaths. Nurses and doctors deal with people in pain, dying or dead. They are highly stressed, angry, sad and depressed. Their lifestyles are not fun and happy.
Tourists hospitalized in Cancun and other places in Mexico have been known to have to pay in advance with cash or credit cards. Some bills were in the hundreds thousands.
Captain Solo
05-31-20, 00:32
$840 K for 2-week treatment of a CoVid-19 patient. The medicines alone costed over $250 K. Damn. This is way more expensive than living full time all year with 50 hottest HK girls in Cascada's penthouse suite with all food and booze catered by Azul's.
The CoVid doctors are ecstatic of their exceptionally high income this year and already started shopping for new MBZ AMGs for themselves and the wives.
The bros should send their CoVid-19 bills to Chairman Xi JinPing for payment. Have the nastiest collection agencies call him everyday until he pays all bills in full. If not, just seize all US Treasury bonds owned by China's government.
COVID survivor receives $840,000 statement for treatment, with more on the way.
By: Jason GruenauerPosted at 4:48 PM, May 29,2020 and last updated 3:48 PM, May 29,2020.
CENTENNIAL, Colo. — Robert Dennis spent weeks in the hospital, fighting and beating the coronavirus. He's now back at home, working his way through recovery, but he's not done with the virus entirely just yet. The high school teacher just received his first itemized statement for the cost of his care: $840,386. 94.
"Seeing that number yesterday for the first bill it kind of took your breath away again," Robert's wife Suzanne, who also beat the virus, told Denver7.
The statement covers Robert's time at Sky Ridge Medical Center, where he was in the intensive care unit and intubated for two weeks.
"His meds just at the hospital are a quarter million dollars," Suzanne said.
What is not included is Robert's three weeks at Spalding Rehabilitation Hospital, or his wife's trips to the emergency room when she was fighting the virus. The couple estimates their total bills to top one and a half million dollars.
"It's scary. I don't care how much you have covered. It's scary to see that kind of number and not really know," Suzanne said.
The couple has insurance. They plan on calling to make sure that they are covered early next week.
The Colorado Division of Insurance tells Denver7 that if their department regulates the insurance, that patient will be protected by a state emergency regulation. Also, if the hospital that treated a patient received CARES Act funding, they are not required to send bills for COVID-19 treatment.
On March 10th, Vice President Mike Pence told reporters, "All of our major health insurance companies have now joined with Medicare and Medicaid and agreed to waive all copays, cover the cost of all treatment for those who contract the coronavirus, they've committed to no surprise billing, and they've committed to encourage telemedicine."
"I would have probably sat down and cried yesterday if didn't know we had insurance and that was pretty good, but if you don't have that comfort of knowing something is there, I don't know how you make that ok with yourself," Suzanne said.
Denver7 is committed to helping you navigate the healthcare system, save money and get the care you need, through a new initiative called Contact7 Cost of Care.
Captain Solo
05-31-20, 21:23
These doctors made anecdotal observations in clinical setting.
Unless the original virus stops spreading and they have RNA proof CoVid-19 has mutated into less deadly strains, they are only talking out of their Italian asses.
The epidemiologists are far more qualified to make this determination.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-184358113.html
New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says, Reuters May 31,2020, 11:43 AM PDT.
ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.
"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy's coronavirus contagion.
"The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.
Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.
However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.
Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.
"We've got to get back to being a normal country," he said. "Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country. ".
The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.
"Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared. I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, an undersecretary at the health ministry, said in a statement.
"We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks. ".
A second doctor from northern Italy told the national ANSA news agency that he was also seeing the coronavirus weaken.
"The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today," said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.
"It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different. ".
Google for full article: Yale Epidemiologist: Hydroxychloroquine Should Be 'Widely Available And Promoted Immediately' As Standard Treatment.
Hydroxychloroqine. A cheap, widely-prescribed anti-malaria drug which was deemed safe for decades until it showed efficacy treating coronavirus. Needs to be made "widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe," according to Yale epidemiologist Dr. Harvey Risch.
In a Wedensday manuscript detailing how high-risk COVID-19 patients should be treated, Risch notes that the combination of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and the antibiotic azithromycin (AZ) "has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reportsand public media," and that "Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. " Risch recommends the combination of HCQ+AZ "preferably with zinc" as a "standard outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better, whether that could be remdesivir or something else."
"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," said LOS Angeles doctor Dr. Anthony Cardillo, adding "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."
Piri's is selling HCQ for around 650 pesos if you want peace of mind about the CCP flu. . . Possibly zinc sulfate pills also, but you'll need to ask the pharmacist about those. . .
Captain Solo
06-02-20, 20:04
https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/china-delayed-releasing-critical-coronavirus-data-to-who-report/
China reportedly delayed releasing critical coronavirus data to WHO.
By Mark Moore June 2, 2020.
10:09 am.
Chinese President Xi Jinping learns about progress on a vaccine and antibodies during a visit to the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing. Getty Images.
China delayed releasing critical information about the coronavirus in the weeks after the outbreak was first reported — even as the World Health Organization publicly lauded the Communist country for its quick response to the pandemic, according to a report Tuesday.
The WHO in January praised China for "immediately" releasing a genetic map of the coronavirus and said its efforts to be transparent were "very impressive, and beyond words," the Associated Press reported.
At the same time, WHO officials behind the scenes were frustrated that China was slow-walking their ability to get information to combat the spread of the virus, which had first been reported in late December in Wuhan, China, because they were losing valuable time, according to the report.
"We're going on very minimal information," said American epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove, now the WHO's technical lead for COVID-19, in one internal meeting during the week of Jan. 6. "It's clearly not enough for you to do proper planning."
"We're currently at the stage where, yes, they're giving it to us 15 minutes before it appears on CCTV," the WHO's top official in China, Dr. Gauden Galea, referring to the state-owned China Central Television, said in another meeting, the AP reported.
The Chinese Communist Party did not release the genetic map of the virus for more than a week after three government labs had decoded the information, the report said, because of tight controls on releasing data.
The genetic map was finally released after another lab published it on a virologist website on Jan. 11.
It took the Chinese Communist Party another two weeks to provide the WHO with full data on patients and cases, according to recordings of internal meetings by the United Nations health agency.
The delay in releasing the genetic data slowed the development of a vaccine and the absence of detailed information about patients made it difficult to determine how quickly the coronavirus was spreading around the world.
Between the time a Chinese lab decoded the info on Jan. 2 and Jan. 30, when the WHO declared a global emergency, the virus spread by a factor of 100 to 200 times, the AP reported, citing infection data from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
"It's obvious that we could have saved more lives and avoided many, many deaths if China and the WHO had acted faster," Ali Mokdad, a professor at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, told the wire service.
There are now more than 6 million cases worldwide, and the death toll has surpassed 370,000.
President Trump, who has accused the WHO of colluding with China to hold back data on the coronavirus, last Friday cut ties with the UN agency.
"China has total control over the World Health Organization," Trump said at the White House, noting that the US contributed $450 million to the WHO each year compared to China's $40 million.
Captain Solo
06-04-20, 07:48
Mexico's death is hitting new high:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/china-accused-hiding-coronavirus-data-live-updates-200603232724685.html
Wed June 3 2020,01:33 GMT. Mexico reports new one-day high of 1,092 coronavirus deaths.
The coronavirus toll in Mexico has soared to a new daily high, with the health department reporting 1,092 test-confirmed deaths. More than double the previous one-day record and in line with numbers in the United States and Brazil, according to AP news agency.
The announcement was an embarrassment for officials, who have consistently predicted that cases in Mexico were about to start leveling off. The country began a gradual reopening of industrial and business activity on Monday.
Mexico has at least 101,000 cases and more than 11,000 deaths.
Captain Solo
06-04-20, 20:38
But words on the streets said people are crossing over to Tijuana in cars and on foot, no checking or restriction whatsoever.
https://www.bajabound.com/travelupdates/borderupdate.php
Tijuana.
On March 26th, the mayor of Tijuana signed the Emergency Declaration of Sanitary Risks in which the city outlined steps to take in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19. All residents are encouraged to stay home and to avoid going out in public. Essential businesses are open, which include: hospitals, pharmacies, medical clinics, financial services, markets, supermarkets, restaurants (take-out or delivery only), among others.
Rosarito.
Inspection points have been set up in the entrances to Playas de Rosarito to ensure drivers are obeying the stay at home order. If they are found to be out for non-essential reasons, they are being directed to return home. The inspection points are in Ejido Plan Libertador, Popotla and the corredor 2000.
All beaches are closed in Playas de Rosarito and are being patrolled by authorities to ensure the closures are being respected.
Ensenada.
On April 20th, the municipal government of Ensenada announced their initiative "Vamos Juntos" in which the city outlined measures to be taken in order to try to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
As one of the measures, Ensenada's mayor announced the city would block access in order to protect its citizens. Checkpoints have been set up across the city verifying that people have a reason to be entering. The only permissible reasons to enter Ensenada are for emergencies, medical appointments, transportation to essential workplaces, and to supply food and medicine.
People entering Ensenada may be asked to provide proof of domicile, such as a utility bill. The checkpoints are are set up in the following areas: El Sauzal de Rodríguez, Real del Castillo (Ojos Negros), Punta Colonet and San Quintíand, as well as in la Ruta del Vino.
A curfew from 9:00 pm to 6:00 am has also been implemented.
The measures were initially going to last until April 30th, however, they have been extended through the month of June.
Mexicali Municipality.
Mexicali is following the guidelines set forth by the state and Mexican Federal Government.
Dickus Maximus
06-07-20, 22:02
But words on the streets said people are crossing over to Tijuana in cars and on foot, no checking or restriction whatsoever.
I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.).
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.
Captain Solo
06-08-20, 04:32
Dickus,
We were in Tijuana Saturday afternoon. Car and foot traffic were probably 5% before lock down. Hotels are open but all bars were closed. Restaurants and food carts only the take out. You don't even have a place to sit down to eat or drink. It was boring and tiring hanging out in La Zona.
HK had a clandestine lounge with a small bar next top Cascada's North lobby. There were no clients, only 4 older and unattractive girls were sitting around with half dozen meseros moping around looking glum and worried. Guys reported 40 girls at night but that makeshift lounge is big enough to cram in no more than 10 girls, not even counting clients and meseros.
About 30 to 40 girls were in the alley and the surround streets, some of the hottest and most popular, Camilla, Edith, Samantha etc. There were no mongers and very few people on the streets while we were there. Quite a few street girls were actually hot and attractive, far more than the 4 HK girls. Guys can hang out in the alley doing street girls and eat take out food. My wingman contacted a few escorts but they were either busy or not working.
Plan on doing street girls or get a hotel room and book your favorite escorts. Without nice places to sit to eat, drink and be entertained it's boring to hang out in La Zona.
I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.)
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.
I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.).
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.
LuvMexicanas
06-10-20, 02:05
Dickus,
We were in Tijuana Saturday afternoon. Car and foot traffic were probably 5% before lock down. Hotels are open but all bars were closed. Restaurants and food carts only the take out. You don't even have a place to sit down to eat or drink. It was boring and tiring hanging out in La Zona.
HK had a clandestine lounge with a small bar next top Cascada's North lobby. There were no clients, only 4 older and unattractive girls were sitting around with half dozen meseros moping around looking glum and worried. Guys reported 40 girls at night but that makeshift lounge is big enough to cram in no more than 10 girls, not even counting clients and meseros.
About 30 to 40 girls were in the alley and the surround streets, some of the hottest and most popular, Camilla, Edith, Samantha etc. There were no mongers and very few people on the streets while we were there. Quite a few street girls were actually hot and attractive, far more than the 4 HK girls. Guys can hang out in the alley doing street girls and eat take out food. My wingman contacted a few escorts but they were either busy or not working.
Plan on doing street girls or get a hotel room and book your favorite escorts. Without nice places to sit to eat, drink and be entertained it's boring to hang out in La Zona.
I have been down three times by car in the last month. Twice to visit someone there and once to travel elsewhere in Mexico. Never a problem crossing or returning. If asked I will tell them I'm going for a medical consultation (usually a doctor next to most major pharmacies for a cost of about 100 pesos.)
You had better have a plan however. Nothing is really open. You can take out food from a restaurant and go to a motel or shop at Costco. That's about it.Hotel room and a revolving door of escorts is all the plan I need. I just need to get out there and execute the plan.
Wearing a face mask during sex can reduce COVID-19 transmission, say doctors.
Elise Solé.
Kissing is a 'high risk behavior' for COVID-19, warns a new study.
In the wake of conflicting studies on whether or not COVID-19 is present in semen, researchers from three Boston hospitals have released sexual health guidelines describing the riskiest behavior, and offering some unusual advice about when to wear masks.
The guidelines, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, note that any type of in-person sexual activity is a COVID-19 risk factor given the limited data on sexual transmission, and the knowledge that SARS-CoV-2 can spread through saliva, mucus, aerosolized particles or, although less common, by touching the eyes, nose and mouth after touching an infected surface.
The sex-positive study ranks habits from the safest to the riskiest through the CDC's social distancing model. Sexual abstinence and masturbation are the safest moves, followed by phone or video sex (which comes with its own risks, the authors warn) and sleeping with a live-in partner, if neither has been exposed or is asymptomatic. Sexual activity with a person other than those with whom you're quarantining is considered the riskiest behavior — and the researchers recommend wearing a face mask in that case.
"We recognize that it may come as an unusual recommendation, but wearing a mask during intercourse with someone from outside the home may reduce risk, as may a range of other strategies, including showering, hand-washing and cleaning surfaces where the virus may reside following sex," Dr. Jack Turban, lead author and resident physician in psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital and McLean Hospital tells Yahoo Life. "Unfortunately, the virus is easily spread via respiratory particles, making kissing a higher-risk behavior than other intimate acts," Turban adds.
Despite the risk associated with this type of intimacy, the study encourages doctors to be nonjudgmental when asking patients about their sex lives. Luckily, public health experts are starting to pay attention to the fact that abstinence-only recommendations are unlikely to be successful and may lead to worse outcomes. Turban tells Yahoo Life.
Major health organizations recommend the use of face masks to prevent passing on respiratory droplets that could spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. But while face masks may help mitigate risks for non-live-in sexual partners, experts say it's not a perfect solution — and note that anyone engaging in sexual activity may be putting themself at risk.
"We're not saying, Wear a mask and don't worry, Dr. Kenneth Mayer, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and one of the authors of the study, tells Yahoo Life, More that if you wear one, you'll decrease risk. The study notes that research is mixed on whether or not COVID-19 is present in semen, with one study from China finding virtually zero evidence that it is and another finding the opposite. Until this is better understood, it would be prudent to consider semen potentially infectious," the authors write.
Dr. Alex Keuroghlian, director of both the National LGBT Health Education Center at the Fenway Institute and the Massachusetts General Hospital Psychiatry Gender Identity Program, tells Yahoo Life that sex may be a hazard for the foreseeable future. "The risks of physical contact among persons not in quarantine with one another will remain very real in the absence of adequate vaccination across the population," says Keuroghlian.
The report results, of course, are not meant as a prescriptive list of sexual do's and don'ts; rather it provides recommendations for how to slow the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The researchers say couples will have to decide what they're comfortable doing behind closed doors. "The major takeaway from this paper is that risk lies on a spectrum," says Turban. "Abstinence is the safest recommendation to prevent the spread of the virus, but for many people this will not be attainable. Sex with those from outside the home is higher risk than sex with those residing in the home, and is one way to decrease risk. ".
https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/nyc-health-department-advises-masks-kinky-zoom-parties/
I was at a Sharp clinic up here for something not related to the virus and it was dead! Amazing how few people were in the Sharp clinic. Bare-bones crew. The media and politicians can go back and forth about the danger level but the hospitals really give you a clue to how this virus is not the flu at any level.
Goyo.
Travv,
Surprisingly hospitals, especially those in poor countries like Mexico and Asia, carry high risks in spreading diseases. Even in the US, look at doctors and nurses who have been infected with CoVid-19 and died. If you feel healthy, it's wise to stay away from hospitals. But if you are infected and feel sick, you will need to get in line for one of those ventilators.
Americans are over-medicated, take a lot of medicines, sometimes unnecessarily. There are super-bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. When they really need the medications, their bodies may have already been immune to treatments. Damn. I would take as little medicines as possible.
In So Cal a few hospitals are known as death traps. Their staff are unprofessional, incompetent, unreliable, make lots of lethal mistakes, causing permanent injuries or deaths. Nurses and doctors deal with people in pain, dying or dead. They are highly stressed, angry, sad and depressed. Their lifestyles are not fun and happy.
Tourists hospitalized in Cancun and other places in Mexico have been known to have to pay in advance with cash or credit cards. Some bills were in the hundreds thousands.
Captain Solo
06-11-20, 17:03
Goyo.
Have no idea where this Sharp hospital is.
Looks like a lot of hospitals were ordered to delay all elective treatments to reserve room for Covid-19 patients, so they stay empty. There were news doctors and nurses got furloughed or hours reduced. People also vastly cancel or delay visiting their doctors so revenues are down. Healthcare workers are mad.
Even before CoVid-19 I know a few hospitals in SoCal that ran on empty most of the time. Their nursing staff are mostly temporary, careless types. Their doctors are known to make a lot of serious mistakes, some even fatal. They are known as death-trap hospitals. Rich doctors pool their money to build medical and surgeries centers that had very few patients, running on empty. A few were foreclosed.
Sharp Rees-Stealy Medical Group. Near Camino Ruiz and Mira Mesa blvd. Nice new building. Been going there for years for little stuff now and then.
Will see how they reopen over the next month etc.
Several people at my work have their health insurance in Tijuana at Simnsa just over the boarder and drive back and forth all the time.
Goyo.
Have no idea where this Sharp hospital is.
Looks like a lot of hospitals were ordered to delay all elective treatments to reserve room for Covid-19 patients, so they stay empty. There were news doctors and nurses got furloughed or hours reduced. People also vastly cancel or delay visiting their doctors so revenues are down. Healthcare workers are mad.
Even before CoVid-19 I know a few hospitals in SoCal that ran on empty most of the time. Their nursing staff are mostly temporary, careless types. Their doctors are known to make a lot of serious mistakes, some even fatal. They are known as death-trap hospitals. Rich doctors pool their money to build medical and surgeries centers that had very few patients, running on empty. A few were foreclosed.
COVID Senior Death Rate in Los Angeles County and cities is extremely high as 90%+ of reported death in some cities and certain SNF.
First SNF in Pasadena closed yesterday, patients transfers (69) to other SNF.
I was at a Sharp clinic up here for something not related to the virus and it was dead! Amazing how few people were in the Sharp clinic. Bare-bones crew. The media and politicians can go back and forth about the danger level but the hospitals really give you a clue to how this virus is not the flu at any level.
Goyo.
Captain Solo
06-15-20, 18:18
Comrade Sound7 has an excellent idea.
Hong Kong should reopen as a a skilled nursing home so the nurses can take care of the pervs and keep them very happy.
Death in Skilled Nursing Homes.
FEMA Reimburse:
COVID including ventilator treatment $39,000.
Standard COVID. $19,000.
Typical Skilled Nursing Facility average daily rate $1,000.
Hospital average daily stay $10,000.
Comrade Sound7 has an excellent idea.
Hong Kong should reopen as a a skilled nursing home so the nurses can take care of the pervs and keep them very happy.
Death in Skilled Nursing Homes.
Captain Solo
06-18-20, 23:10
With this $39 K FEMA's reimbursement, I volunteer for 3 months of CoVid treatment in the New Hong Kong Nursing Home with 100 hot chicas doing mouth-to-mouth ventilation and penile resuscitation therapies.
Would be far happier than being molested, violated and sexually abused by old, fat, ugly nurses in the US.
HK model very affordable for cash payment.
ScatManDoo
06-29-20, 16:02
Seems to me that we are coming out of earlier "Stay at home" orders too soon. The federal suggested guidelines, which ended 5/1/20, called for us peeps going out more when the infection rates were on the decline for at least 14 days. None of the 20-some states moving towards letting down their guards have reached that 14 day goal.
Why would you want to come out from shelter when infection rates haven't sufficiently declined? Or not declined at all?
In many states the rate has not declined, only its rate of increase has declined.
I don't accept this false right-wing argument that coronavirus has a low death rate, like similar to the regular flu at. 1%.
Coronavirus is much more deadly, like around 11% or 12% in Italy of their confirmed cases. Similar for Spain. We might be experiencing a lower death rate in the United States than the rate in Italy. But our death rate in the United States health "system" is only around half or a third of of that of Italy, NOT 110 times lower.Eight weeks ago I wrote that we seemed to jumping to fast into "reopening" in the United States.
The required guidelines for reopening were not being met, but instead ignored.
It brings me no joy to have been correct.
Eight weeks ago I wrote that we seemed to jumping to fast into "reopening" in the United States.
The required guidelines for reopening were not being met, but instead ignored.
It brings me no joy to have been correct.Most everyone is going to get COVID sooner or later, the infection rates are up due to increased testing, the virus has been here since late November, my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.
DramaFree11
07-05-20, 00:22
Most everyone is going to get COVID sooner or later, the infection rates are up due to increased testing, the virus has been here since late November, my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.So true, this why we should not be shutting down and returning to normal. I would say much higher then 35%. The world needs to get to normal, especially Mexico, but they continue to tighten up. This is going to be way worse financially then any of us could have ever imagined. What a mess.
ScatManDoo
07-05-20, 04:47
Most everyone is going to get COVID sooner or later,That is not being asserted in countries that have managed the pandemic well, like New Zealand, Taiwan, Denmark, Norway & Canada, probably because it is not true.
the virus has been here since late November,According to Wikipedia: The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic was confirmed to have reached the United States in January 2020. The first confirmed case of local transmission was recorded in January, while the first known deaths happened in February. What source can you cite Scbb1?
my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.You seem to be making a piss poor guess. San Diego County so far has reported 15,696 confirmed Covid-19 infections. If the real rate of infection was 10 times greater, then it would still be less than 1/2 of 1% of San Diego County residents (infected today). Remember, more than 3 million people live in San Diego County! Where (other than your ass) do you get your 35% infection rate?
ScatManDoo
07-05-20, 05:43
, my guess would be that 35% of San Diego's population has already had it. Some had no idea they had anything at all. The CDC announced based on antibody testing that the infection rate is 10 times more than what is reported.Correcting my math in my prior post. With between 15 K and 16 K of confirmed Covid-19 infections in San Diego county, that is a infection rate of around 1/2 of 1% for the 3.1 million residents of San Diego County. If the real rate of infection is ten times greater, as CDC recently speculated, that's still only 5% of residents, not the 35% in your guess.
Why do you think that around 1 million of San Diego County residents are infected? If that were the case, San Diego hospitals would look worse than Tijuana & have most of their patients overflowing into hospital parking lots.
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