Seeking Arrangements

[Elvis 2008]

I bought Skittles to pass out on Halloween. Now I'm starting to think that might not be such a good idea.Yeah, do not pass them out to the kids. You will get some angry moms. But if you wait until the adults only Halloween party, you will be up to your eyeballs in MILFs. LOL.

[Pk099]

Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba.

2. $1500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1.

3. $4000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad.

4. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615.

5. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9.

6. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae.

7. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3.

8. $1000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf.

9. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae.

10. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f.

11. $2500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa.

12. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445.

Please, if you have more info with links please share!Met this girl today.

$3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/82c1a002-9a90-47ef-8fe2-99da088f69f6.

Report will follow tomorrow.

BTW, she is ok to share her WhatsApp ISG number with other members.

If any of other girls ok to share their contact info, can you message me their number please?

[The Cane]

Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba.

2. $1500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1.

3. $4000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad.

4. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615.

5. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9.

6. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae.

7. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3.

8. $1000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf.

9. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae.

10. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f.

11. $2500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa.

12. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445.

Please, if you have more info with links please share!I checked these out, and the absolute hottest one based on her pics that I would fuck no questions asked is "Lizy". In fact, she's the only one of the bunch who I find to be a "hottie". She's one of the most expensive ones too. I always did have expensive taste LOL! Oh, and after I checked out her profile she favorited me! Now if only I could get my dick (and ATM card) to Mexico City hehehe.

[AmericanPi]

I have to say, you have impressive range in your tastes.


Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba.

2. $1500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1.

3. $4000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad.

4. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615.

5. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9.

6. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae.

7. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3.

8. $1000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf.

9. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae.

10. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f.

11. $2500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa.

12. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445.

Please, if you have more info with links please share!

[Simplii]

Thanks for Sharing. This is great information and it would be great if more people would contribute information like this. So my question for you, did you actually meet any of these girls or just kind of negotiated with them but have not met them yet? I identified a few of the girls in your list and I will provide some more info as soon as I finish some work presentations.Some girls I meet and some many others only negotiated so far. There's no time enough to meet all of them in one week. LOL.

I hope I come back with some insights this weekend related to the list or maybe some others.

[EuropeanDmv75]

I have to say, you have impressive range in your tastes.I guess, pussy is pussy and sometimes it is all you care about, not a specific type. I would love to hear what % you scored from this list.

[EuropeanDmv75]

Thanks for your feedback. Are you able to share the SA handles?The first two girls, I had already met them during other visits to CDMX. Not sure if they are still active in SA. I will ask them and if they are and cool with sharing their handle, I will let you know. The 3rd one deactivated her handle and she is not responding to WhatsApp. If she responds, I will let you know. But going forward I will try to be more mindful about this. Good luck in your search!

[LshRoomer]

We have all heard the line on SA that chemistry will determine that night's / date's trajectory. I have never taken issue because I have gotten along (didn't bang) with every girl that I've met on Seeking. Some have resulted in multiple bangs or long term arrangements, while others have ended with a single date and maybe some DFK or a BJ.

Maybe my perspective was too externalized, but I never considered that I might be the one not feeling the chemistry.

Last time I was in Spain, one of the girls I found was a Peruvian that spoke perfect english and had a great what'sapp vibe. Instead of heading to a restaurant or bar / lounge, she wanted to head to the park to do some martial arts. . She wanted me to show her some Muay Thai (MT) and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) and I agreed like "hell yeah!, that sounds like fun" Her profile: Thin, perfect height, with small tits and an in-shape ass. She was definitely within the limited sphere of my preferred girl to bang. She showed up in workout gear and she was pretty, with long black hair.

Body, face, smile, smell, teeth. She ticked all the boxes. Upon first inspection, I got a little excited thinking, "I'm going to be banging this girl before the night's out".

We hit the park and we started with MT. Fun. After combos, We did some clench work, which for those who don't know MT, it's grabbing the base of the skull, back of the head, or back of the neck to control your opponent, while pressing in your hips to theirs in order not to catch a knee to the gut or junk (pretty much, it's close AF). When you do this with a girl, there is definitely a sexual component. While doing this, I thought, WTF. Nothing. Where is the "sexiness" that I know accompanies this? "Whatever", I thought. I figured it was nothing. We moved onto BJJ and I showed her a few moves that required her to be in a top position with me on my back (Hip on hip or D on V) I felt nothing again (no blood flow down below, nada) and she didn't show any signs either. No prolonged stares, or hip movement, close to face lingering (nothing). I thought, "This girl has no sexual energy!" Even though I thought this, I still would have smashed (to get another chronicle for self and forum LOL). We had a drink after the park and my thought was that any issue I had at a the park would def go away after a few drinks. During the drinks, she mentions she has a BF at home and they are in an open relationship. She's a swinger and her dude thinks Seeking is a great idea for her. After drinks we end up at the park around the corner from my apt and we hang out there for a while. Dudes, I felt nothing. I even tried to imagine banging her in order to get the juices flowing and nothing. . I have been with girls that are not as pretty and have had to keep myself under control. Not the case with her. There was no chemistry.

It's 11 PM at this point and we have been together for about 7 hours. She mentioned that we should go to my place and order some takeout. I declined and made up an excuse about work. I called her an uber and went home alone. Even when we hugged, there was nothing from my side. Her body was pressed completely against mine and I felt nothing. It wasn't her looks, or her attitude, or any of the normal stuff that kills the mood. She literally had no sexual energy.

So, Shroomer doesn't give up that easily. As I mentioned, she was my type. She hit me up to go to dinner 2 days later. After dinner, we started walking toward my place and it's about a 15 min walk. During that time, I decided to start fresh with testing the waters (touching, being close, etc) while we were walking. She never moved away, but had no energy to respond to. We decided to go back to my place and chill out. Of course, I thought that since we were going to be on my turf that it was a done deal. I was wrong. We arrived and she never put on the brakes, but there was no desire to fuel my action. I contrast this with Maria that looks deep in your eyes while you are talking and nods her head in a way that gets the blood flowing mid-sentence. Her eyes are saying kiss me, while you are trying to finish your thought (report coming on her later). The Peruvian was open, talkative, amiable, and pleasant to be around. But. No sexual energy at all!!

I've met girls from SA that I didn't' want to bang before, but never met a girl that I would bang, but had no chemical reaction for it. It's like your eyes like her, but your body has no interest. Her lack of sexuality actually killed mine.

Chemistry is a thing. . 02.

[EverythingBlue]

We have all heard the line on SA that chemistry will determine that night's / date's trajectory. I have never taken issue because I have gotten along (didn't bang) with every girl that I've met on Seeking. Some have resulted in multiple bangs or long term arrangements, while others have ended with a single date and maybe some DFK or a BJ.

No sexual energy at all!!

I've met girls from SA that I didn't' want to bang before, but never met a girl that I would bang, but had no chemical reaction for it. It's like your eyes like her, but your body has no interest. Her lack of sexuality actually killed mine.

Chemistry is a thing. . 02.Interesting take, I've ran into girls I'm not 100% into, but usually a couple of Viagra pills or Cialis is enough to forget about chemistry LOL.

[Akibono]

We have all heard the line on SA that chemistry will determine that night's / date's trajectory. I have never taken issue because I have gotten along (didn't bang) with every girl that I've met on Seeking. Some have resulted in multiple bangs or long term arrangements, while others have ended with a single date and maybe some DFK or a BJ.

Maybe my perspective was too externalized, but I never considered that I might be the one not feeling the chemistry.

Last time I was in Spain, one of the girls I found was a Peruvian that spoke perfect english and had a great what'sapp vibe. Instead of heading to a restaurant or bar / lounge, she wanted to head to the park to do some martial arts. . She wanted me to show her some Muay Thai (MT) and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ) and I agreed like "hell yeah!, that sounds like fun" Her profile: Thin, perfect height, with small tits and an in-shape ass. She was definitely within the limited sphere of my preferred girl to bang. She showed up in workout gear and she was pretty, with long black hair.

Body, face, smile, smell, teeth. She ticked all the boxes. Upon first inspection, I got a little excited thinking, "I'm going to be banging this girl before the night's out"..If chemistry did not matter, people will be banging their hot sister. Yet, normal people would have no desire regardless of hot she is.

[AmericanPi]

I guess, pussy is pussy and sometimes it is all you care about, not a specific type. I would love to hear what % you scored from this list.Oh while I very much appreciate your list because it tells a better story I won't be hitting any of them. My next trip is not to Mexico. Tho I have seeked in Cdmx multiple times and it's one of my favorite cities. And the benefit of doing it multiples times is you can see who the pros are, because a year or two later they're still on there even if with a "new" profile. That city is so large there is always new talent coming up. And 5000-6000 pesos, which I offer for an long date of about 8 hours, seems to go a long way.

[DramaFree11]

Oh while I very much appreciate your list because it tells a better story I won't be hitting any of them. My next trip is not to Mexico. Tho I have seeked in Cdmx multiple times and it's one of my favorite cities. And the benefit of doing it multiples times is you can see who the pros are, because a year or two later they're still on there even if with a "new" profile. That city is so large there is always new talent coming up. And 5000-6000 pesos, which I offer for an long date of about 8 hours, seems to go a long way.Great, 5000-6000, is the sweet spot in CDMX. You can get some great girls for 4000, but any lower then that, will be a lot of work and time. I just got back from CDMX, another great trip.

[Ggekko2009]

We hit the park and we started with MT. Fun. After combos, We did some clench work, which for those who don't know MT, it's grabbing the base of the skull, back of the head, or back of the neck to control your opponent, while pressing in your hips to theirs in order not to catch a knee to the gut or junk (pretty much, it's close AF). When you do this with a girl, there is definitely a sexual component. While doing this, I thought, WTF. Nothing. Where is the "sexiness" that I know accompanies this? "Whatever", I thought. I figured it was nothing. We moved onto BJJ and I showed her a few moves that required her to be in a top position with me on my back (Hip on hip or D on V) I felt nothing again (no blood flow down below, nada) and she didn't show any signs either. No prolonged stares, or hip movement, close to face lingering (nothing). I thought, "This girl has no sexual energy!" Even though I thought this, I still would have smashed (to get another chronicle for self and forum LOL). We had a drink after the park and my thought was that any issue I had at a the park would def go away after a few drinks. During the drinks, she mentions she has a BF at home and they are in an open relationship. She's a swinger and her dude thinks Seeking is a great idea for her. After drinks we end up at the park around the corner from my apt and we hang out there for a while. Dudes, I felt nothing. I even tried to imagine banging her in order to get the juices flowing and nothing. . I have been with girls that are not as pretty and have had to keep myself under control. Not the case with her. There was no chemistry.

Though not Muay Thai, but it reminded me of the time that I spent with a half Romanian-Turkish girl in a now defunct FKK Living Room several years back in Germany. I would spend a good chunk of my time with her whenever I was there.

Anyway, she said she was a wrestler when she was in school and often wrestle with the boys. I asked her why don't we wrestle to prove that she was not lying, and we got into position, both of us nude. I don't know much about wrestling but I play Judo, so it is almost the same I think LOL. For someone of a smaller size, she sure knows her move. For both of us to wrestle nude, our bodies rubbing against each other all the time, it did generate a lot of sexual stimulation. Is that chemistry? I don't know, but it was a lot of fun. Plus, with the added mirror on the wall and on the ceiling in that room, it was really exciting for me to watch too while doing it.

[Ggekko2009]

Curious to know if anyone has met SB who has really fallen for you (and maybe you having that same feeling), that she actually tears up when you leave, and she really enjoys the time when you are together. I meant more than just spending one night, but spending the week on a trip etc.

[The Cane]

Curious to know if anyone has met SB who has really fallen for you (and maybe you having that same feeling), that she actually tears up when you leave, and she really enjoys the time when you are together. I meant more than just spending one night, but spending the week on a trip etc.The one over-the-top experience I had was / is like this. She developed feelings and recently confessed that she still has them. She moved 6 hours away, but we still stay in touch.

[Steve 9696]

Curious to know if anyone has met SB who has really fallen for you (and maybe you having that same feeling), that she actually tears up when you leave, and she really enjoys the time when you are together. I meant more than just spending one night, but spending the week on a trip etc.Definitely a few of these. Alexa and I def adore each other. Fallen a bit both ways. But still practical that we are long distance and enjoy it when together. We did initial two nights in Vegas, then I flew her to Miami for a weekend. Then three epic nights back in vegas.

Sarah def had fallen a bit for me. Was in daily text contact. Always wanting to figure how to meet up. To be fair I flew her to the Mediterranean after one weekend together. Hard to not love that. LOL. We are a bit sexually incompatible tho and def winding it down. We did the long weekend, a few days in the Mediterranean, and a night here or there.

And Shayla is def a hard fall in both directions. She wants to see me even tho we are non transactional on payment. She always whines a little (in a nice way) if I can only stay a couple hours rather than 4 or 5. When we've been apart she rushes to me and showers me in kisses. We have def transcended the usual sugar baby genre. We in new territory here. And loving it. We’ve seen each other pretty close to weekly since January. And with a new living arrangement we will see each other more. Prob won’t happen every week but saw her three times this week.

[The Cane]

What's the deal with all of these profiles that I see of allegedly "mixed" women whose pictures are of women who are as white as rice? There are a ton of these types of profiles lately, at least in my corner of the universe. Virtually all of these "mixed race" profiles tend to be very recently established on the site and strike me as being as fake as the assertions of mixed blood being claimed.

[AsianPursuits]

SNIP During the drinks, she mentions she has a BF at home and they are in an open relationship. She's a swinger and her dude thinks Seeking is a great idea for her..I had an initial lunch date with a SB prospect. She had lots going for her. She told me she about her marriage, her kids, her interests and that she's allowed to play. Went parking for a while and trying to get things happening. Nothing felt natural at all. I dropped her back to her home and texted her after thanks but no thanks.

Maybe the swingers' game is different to the SB / SD game.

[Steve 9696]

So I wrote more extensive write up but my phone died and it was lost in the ether. Let's try again.

To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress. 😋 We cooked Italian together at our place and it was soooo fun. Followed by epic sex.

I still can't believe what a horny beast this girl is. I have to get her going by kissing, tits, or pussy rub but 15 seconds later she is on fire and we are lit for epic sex. Last night was particularly excellent. Best of my life actually. Yep. We smoked a couple bowls before which. Never hurts. But we literally went at it non stop and I do mean nonstop for one and a half hours. Five times we swapped between sex in various positions and her BJing for an extended period. Amazing combo of both. And two shots. I didn't think the second was possible. But she did. LOL.

A couple highlights. One. We are kinda in between rounds and face to face and she is just kissing and kissing and kissing me. We have literally been kissing for like a half hour nonstop and she's still making out heavy. She says "god I just love to kiss you". Yes ma'am. I got ya!

Two. Again at a lull. I'm thinking maybe we pack it up. She's on her back vibing herself (we got that out about midway) and she says "can you put it inside me just for a few more minutes. Please? Well of course this leads to another half hour of BJ and fucking. Good lord she's a dynamo. I am in love!

P.S. Thete was this big argument in the Medellin thread. Some guys said chemistry doesn't matter. Sex is sex. And others argued chemistry is key to good sex. My POV is it's like cake and ice cream. Both are independently good to most people. Some like cake better. Some like ice cream together. But for a lot of people the combo is best. And so it is with sex. If you have chemistry and the sex bites well that's not great. If you have sex without chemistry yeah it's prob good if she's good at it even without chemistry. But put the two together great sex technique and great chemistry and voila. Magic.

[The Cane]

To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress. We cooked Italian together at our place and it was soooo fun. Followed by epic sex.Steve you're not a monger. At least a hardcore one you're not. I've always felt this way about you. A hardcore monger needs to think not once, not twice, but at least thrice about even repeating, let alone keeping a woman! Nope, you're no hardcore monger. You only play one on ISG LOL!

[DramaFree11]

Steve you're not a monger. At least a hardcore one you're not. I've always felt this way about you. A hardcore monger needs to think not once, not twice, but at least thrice about even repeating, let alone keeping a woman! Nope, you're no hardcore monger. You only play one on ISG LOL!Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.

[Steve 9696]

Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.

Despite being lip locked with Shayla, I've notched 36 other girls this year, some multiple times. And I'm going to up that count by at least 10-15 more before the end of the year.

So yeah. I'm a one woman guy when I'm at home. But on the road? Well I'the say my track record speaks for itself. LOL.

[The Cane]

Sorry, Cane I would have to disagree with your post. Steve is looking for a good experience, plus mongering. I do the same. He also like to meet girls more then once if he has a good experience or there is chemistry.Was said mostly in jest bro. But the fact of the matter is that Steve is far, far more interested in having "relationships" with these girls than most of us here on this site are. Not a criticism. Just the facts. Fact is, most of us mainly just want to fuck. A lot! LOL! Of course, it's obviously a bit different for a higher percentage of the SA users it seems, of which this thread is all about.

[AmericanPi]

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.


What's the deal with all of these profiles that I see of allegedly "mixed" women whose pictures are of women who are as white as rice? There are a ton of these types of profiles lately, at least in my corner of the universe. Virtually all of these "mixed race" profiles tend to be very recently established on the site and strike me as being as fake as the assertions of mixed blood being claimed.

[The Cane]

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.Did you actually read what I wrote? You certainly didn't comprehend it. I said that there are women marking themselves as "mixed" who look white as rice, and that there are a lot of them with that kind of look doing it, raising my suspicions about those profiles as being fakes (along with other things I have come to view as fraud indicators). There's no way in hell anybody would look at them and view them as being "actually black" as you put it, thus subjecting them to being weeded out by guys who don't like black women. So, my question is why? What is going on here with these profiles? Why are they doing this? As for myself, and for your edification, I'm not sexually attracted to most black (or Asian) women. The Latinas and the white girls are the ones who float my boat. It's why I've paid any attention to these profiles in the first place. The women look "actually white" to me LOL! Here is an example of what I'm talking about. Does she look "actually black" to you? And there are plenty of others indicating "mixed" whose skin is as white as feta cheese! What's the deal? Doesn't pass the smell test. Something fishy going on here. Hmmm?

https://members.seeking.com/member/bf7d8858-d876-4179-9449-6cedbd948d26

[Steve 9696]

Let's be politically incorrect for a second.

In my experience, most of the girls who claim to be mixed, are actually black. If I'm being honest I think they mark mixed to not be weeded out by guys who don't dig black chicks so much. But they're clearly black.

I don't need to hear that you yourself love black chicks and the world is a rainbow. Just calling the shots as I see them.Well personally I think they are mixed. To me it's the silliest thing in the world that in the US if you have any black at all you are considered black. What nonsense. If a white guy and a black girl get together and have a kid that kid is mixed! African w N European say. To say they are black is patently silly. We don’t do this with any other ethnicity. Why this exception?

[Ggekko2009]

To start with Shayla is officially my mistress. No more PPM. She's a kept woman. I pay for her place and she is the best girlfriend a guy could ever ask for. Didn't think I'the ever get to this level but 40 Seeking girls later I officially have a mistress.
I think it may just be a matter of semantics. What really makes a SB a mistress? Does a monthly allowance qualify? In Asian culture, guys with financial means usually tend to keep a mistress. They will pay for the girl's apartment plus monthly allowance, and will visit them when they feel like it. It sounds like the arrangement you currently have right now.

By the way, did your mistress made any request that you stay exclusive with her or maybe she's just okay with you meeting other girls?

[Steve 9696]

I think it may just be a matter of semantics. What really makes a SB a mistress? Does a monthly allowance qualify? In Asian culture, guys with financial means usually tend to keep a mistress. They will pay for the girl's apartment plus monthly allowance, and will visit them when they feel like it. It sounds like the arrangement you currently have right now.

By the way, did your mistress made any request that you stay exclusive with her or maybe she's just okay with you meeting other girls?Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity — she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.

[Houston Player]

Well personally I think they are mixed. To me it's the silliest thing in the world that in the US if you have any black at all you are considered black. What nonsense. If a white guy and a black girl get together and have a kid that kid is mixed! African w N European say. To say they are black is patently silly. We dont do this with any other ethnicity. Why this exception?I also think that they are mixed, but why are you guys assuming that the mix is between Black and White? The question they are answering as mixed is ethnicity. There are other ethnicities besides Black and White, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Hispanic or Latino and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.

[The Cane]

I also think that they are mixed, but why are you guys assuming that the mix is between Black and White? The question they are answering as mixed is ethnicity. There are other ethnicities besides Black and White, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, Hispanic or Latino and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.It was AmericanPi who made that faulty assumption. For purposes of replying to his specific post on the matter only, I went with that, but obviously all kinds of "ethnic mix" is possible (and actually is). A broader point I make on it now is that so many of the profile pictures featuring supposedly "mixed" women are of women so white in their appearance that if they were trying to hide or deny something, as AmericanPi suggests, then why not just say they're white / Caucasian then? Because nobody would know any different based on their looks. They could "pass" without being questioned. Seems like I may have stirred up a hornet's nest here, but it was a serious inquiry about a phenomenon I'm seeing on SA. And I mean a lot! If it was like only a few profiles here and there OK. But I'm seeing a hell of a lot of them from women who claim to be living in my metro area (saying they're "mixed" but look like Marilyn Monroe LOL), and I was wondering if anybody else had noticed the same thing and had wondered about it like I have. That's all.

[WyattEarp]

Well I do hate the word monger because it's a complete misuse of the word. Monger means to market / sell. And I'm buying not selling! So yeah def not a monger. But I like the term girl enthusiast and I think that describes me well.I always found the UK term "punter" intriguing. I don't know if it is considered very derogatory when used in the ISG sense.

[LshRoomer]

I had an initial lunch date with a SB prospect. She had lots going for her. She told me she about her marriage, her kids, her interests and that she's allowed to play. Went parking for a while and trying to get things happening. Nothing felt natural at all. I dropped her back to her home and texted her after thanks but no thanks.

Maybe the swingers' game is different to the SB / SD game.I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[LshRoomer]

Yeah I don't really know the definition. Point was we have moved to a new level in our relationship. Completely new territory for me. Including meeting up and just hanging out, because we can have sex some other day that week (once a week is enough for me on a regular basis). To be clear I don't pay her anything beyond her rent. No extra allowance. Tho I do treat her like a girlfriend like the TV broke and I bought a new one.

At some point I had the don't ask don't tell conversation with her. That I don't expect exclusivity she has a life after all. But if she sees other guys I don't want to know about it. The presumption is this goes both ways. Don't ask don't tell.As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

.02

[Steve 9696]

As I wrote in an earlier post, I am also in uncharted waters and I got my camera out taking pictures and making sure not to miss the scenery LOL.

It's all about the experience and the act of exploration. It's awesome that in your travels you have found a girl with an unbelievable sex drive, especially when there are guys out there that have mediocre to bad sex their entire life LOL. That's what amazing about an arrangement / agreement. You define the rules from scratch (nothing pre-existing) and end up with a delightful game to play LOL. LOL. No one is misled, old school definitions can be thrown out the window (GF, mistress, etc) and you can just exist in the new f (x) that you have created.

I know you don't expect exclusivity and you mentioned don't ask don't tell, but are you okay with her having guys over in a place that you foot the bill for (just curious), or is it meaningless as long as you are given supreme priority, leagues above the rest, LOL?

.02Yeah def having guys to her place (our place) is a line she should not cross. I've not said it but she surely knows that's a boundary to not cross. I have a key and usually let myself in if she doesn't answer right away. She's an interesting beast and it feels like she's exclusive because she's always available when I ask and she's says "stop by any time honey". In fact I saw her four times a week ago and then a couple times this week including passionate sex two different times this week. It's become much more organic. Def a great new adventure.

Its interesting what u say about the rules. About two weeks ago she was def lower prioritizing me relative to her friends and it felt weird. We are much more bfgf than SBSD so it didnt feel right to say Im paying so u need to do x. I just told her it made me really unhappy that she was prioritizing her friends above me. Well she damn well changed. Shes been all about me ever since. Im not saying its cuz she cares about me more. Shes a smart cookie and knows Im both a BF and a meal ticket. But it def worked to have a talk. All smiles and fucking ever since. The only complaint she has is when I have to cut our time to a couple hours and she begs me to sleepover all the time. First world problems!

[AmericanPi]

Your first FKK!

It was life changing for me.

The first time. After that it's like your second time to Disneyland. Good but the magic doesn't have as much pixie dust.

Enjoy every minute. It's not often as adults you get true first times of things. And FKK is def a unique experience.


I've thought back on this multiple times and my little head never encouraged me to make the move. There is usually a feeling that propels you forward to touch her, kiss her or pull her to you, either to be welcomed or rejected, but even that didn't happen. I literally had nothing at all. I've only felt this feeling with girls that I didn't find attractive. Perhaps there was something about her that really rubbed me the wrong way subconsciously? IDK.

I'll be in EU in the next few weeks and I intend to get the FKK experience under my belt. It sounds like it's something to try and from what I've read the girls can be sharks, the sex only okay, and the selection underwhelming; YMMV obv; it sounds super interesting, but at the same time I don't have high hopes. I'm a DFK dude that refuses to pay extra for it (hence why I default to SBs) There are only 2 days that can be used for FKK, so the mission will be to Penelope (near Essen) and Artemis (2 for comparison's sake). If you guys know of any FKKs near Essen that are more worth it than Penelope, I'm all ears and willing to travel about an hour.

The bonus is that I'll be starting the trip with a few days with Maria. Texts from her have become almost daily and she seems to be super excited with my return. TBH, I'm not quite sure where we sit? LOL. Great sex, she is ready to ditch the condoms and go on birth control (after a mutual std screening first) and she doesn't want cash and doesn't behave like an SB. It's almost as if she is behaving like a long distance GF that knows better than to outwardly apply the term, but has mentioned that we should be 1 on 1. I'm along for the ride and enjoying the scenery LOL.

The last SB that wanted to take things further wasn't able to handle the terms. I gave it a shot and made her aware that I will come and go as I please without a "need" to inform or involve. It sounds harsh, but that's why SBs are so awesome (and I won't have my moves influenced by an SB); there is a freedom that comes with privacy and she simply wasn't able to handle it. Maria, in this case seems to completely understand the terms and doesn't want anything from it. Like I mentioned, interesting and fun but each step forward is with caution.

[AmericanPi]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).

[Steve 9696]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 £ but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 £ and accepted 400 £. And a much more "college girl type" said 300 £ right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.

[ShadowGuy22]

Looking for advice on where to go next, heading to Medellin in the next 2 weeks and I wanted to go to another country or 2 in Latin America before the year is over.

My criteria is great quality seeking girls, decent weather (not too hot), good food, and decent internet.

Currently considering:

Mexico.

Costa Rica.

Panama.

Peru.

Ecuador.

[EuropeanDmv75]

Want to ask my fellow Seekers something.

My best seeking experiences have been in major cities. Mexico City, Barcelona, New York, etc. Pretty sure this is because the pool is always being filled with new competition.

But I want to go to Eastern Europe.

Anyone themselves been to Eastern European markets with excellent supplies of Seekers?

Is London any good? (I'the assume it's expensive, like nyc, where my 350 dollar donation won't go far).If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

Megija (22) - 150 Euro per encounter (few hours).

https://members.seeking.com/member/10226791-7e33-4c35-a161-a4bcb974d501

We have been sexting and she seems fun. She even has an free Onlyfans if you want to check some of her pictures (she sent me some naughty ones in Whatsapp).

https://onlyfans.com/madlenaxoxo

Chanel (30) - We agreed in 400 Euro for the week (2-3 times).

https://members.seeking.com/member/e6e0d554-7000-418c-935c-b8706f547d7a

We have been chatting a lot. She seems legit.

[AmericanPi]

Riga.

Interesting.

Had not considered there.


If you want to try Eastern Europe, I lived in Warsaw for 2 years (returned one year ago) and had great experiences there. The supply is not as great as London or Mexico City but there are enough girls to have fun. During that time I usually paid anywhere between 400 zl to 800 zl (about 100 to 200 usd). With inflation it may require more now but I would say that you will be able to find some nice girl for 200-250 euro with no problems.

I was actually planning to return to visit some friends and I was thinking of flying from there to Riga and spend a few days there. So I have been doing some research and talked to a couple of girls. Here is what I got.

[AmericanPi]

I'm used to paying on the generous side and getting premium girls. Like 18-23, super cute.

You think 400 quid gets you that in London or at that point are you trading down to 7. 5's?


I've had good experiences in London. You should be able to find something at $350. Or maybe $400.

My last girl wanted 400 but we agreed 400 first time and 300 other times. That's like $330 or something.

Have two girls lined up for visit coming up. A Brazilian asked 600 and accepted 400 . And a much more "college girl type" said 300 right out the gate and implied there was room to move but I didn't try because it's a good deal.

[Steve 9696]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.

[NeilGeorge]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.That's why people get married. You have found the secret of a happy life. Every one else is simply searching.

[DramaFree11]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.

So yeah I still love to go to the clubs and pick from the girl buffet. But damn. I am ruined for life with Shayla sex! 😋.Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.

[Elvis 2008]

I've come to conclude that the sex with Shayla is just too damn good. I've said best of my life and I am not kidding. I am in Europe and have fucked 8 new girls and not one even vaguely compared. Yes. Competent BJs by professionals. And BBBJ. But no one even vaguely close to the astounding GFE BJ that Shayla gives. And of course the sex is decidedly mediocre being all covered. So that is not even a fair comparison.

But there's also the experience. There was that whole chemistry matters or not discussion in Medellin forum. It DEF matters. It's intimate and lustful and lush and two way with Shayla. Plus her mechanics particularly on BJ are just a cut above.Steve, I have been on and off in this hobby for 30 or so years. I have done the Penthouse pet, Playboy bunny, the #1 escort on big doggie, the girls on the restaurant calendars, and been to every sex mecca save for Germany. At first, every time I got laid it was great. Then you start looking for better sex. You think the next one will be better than the last but often it was not so you repeat with a WG who was good looking and good in bed, and often it is better the second time than the first.

If you think about your life and performance, wouldn't you say money is a minimum motivator? That is when men say, "Well, he is going to have pay me a thousand dollars to do that" right? Then there is pride, and the best WGs have pride in their work, but you know when people say family is #1? What do they mean? IMO "Family is everything" transcends money and transcends pride because it is based upon duty and commitment and love for that person or group of people.

At some point, you are going to find a woman who is a top ten type in terms of looks and sexual performance, and the chances of getting better pussy the next time are crazy small. The reality is that if you are interested in better sex, you should try to go deeper with a top ten woman. If you are fucking for an ego / notch count, then you are going to move onto the next one but if you have been at it for a while and looking for great sex, you probably are going to be disappointed by the next one.

So it is a natural transgression for guys interested in better sex to move onto a sugar baby style relationship, and as everyone who has been a sugar daddy will tell you, the sex is usually way better with a SB than with a typical WG.

Thing is you really cannot tell guys about how being a sugar daddy is better. They kind of have to had their fill of the WGs.

But even with the sugar babies, particularly the American ones, the woman's character would finally show it self. The women would get too greedy, want the same for doing less, or just had mental health, drugs, or financial issues. The one SA American woman I met and I thought I would be more serious with was a hottie with a job and two kids. She was cute and great in bed and fun and then we went in her car one time. There would be some kind of alarm and she had to blow into a machine. Yeah, she had so many DUIs, a judge required her to take frequent and random breathalyzers. Sigh. And that was the best one I found in the USA.

So thing about paying for sex and seeing the WG is that it is an emotionally safe way to have sex. You do not need to know about breathalyzer alarms and there seemed to be always something like that (but maybe it was just the sample I was looking at). Whatever the case may be, the women abroad were IMO all in all of much higher quality character.

I guess the thing that is damaging about WG sex though is that you are training yourself to always be thinking to yourself it is sex for money. Always. The mantra with Colombian women here on ISG is the hot women all want young Colombian men their age. Okay, except I had a few calling me every night and had some making themselves sex videos for me. And when we do have sex, they secrete white cum I can see and smell and then they squirt so much they wet the bed.

Any monger who hears this usually says the same thing. Don't believe she likes you. She wants your money and all those orgasms were fake except I was there and whoever else was saying otherwise was not. It kept happening so much and so many women told me that they liked me that I actually started to say "Maybe they really do like me. " It was crazy how much reassurance I needed from women who said they liked me. Crazy. Again, it was easier and safer to just think all they wanted was my money.

And who says women want young guys anyway? I am more mature, wiser, better in bed, and more secure. I have so much more to offer women now than in my 20's so why would the women want these guys in their 20's, these millennial types? Ugh.

That is what is destructive about seeing WG, maybe the most destructive of all: you train yourself to think that all women are the same and only interested in money and you convince yourself that is all you have to offer.

For me, all the marriage stuff and I am a one woman guy was just bullshit fed to men to follow. I am not sure the men really believed it but after getting married they would have kids and it was the love for their kids and not their wives that kept men from straying. It was IMO kind of a dirty trick.

Unlike when I first got married, I know I can fuck women who are as hot on the planet as there are. I am choosing not to now, and the reason like you just said Steve is the sex will not be as good. When you have a top ten girl in terms of looks and performance and you go deeper, you get to the ultimate motivator. She acts like you are family.

I am sure people may have said I was a sex addict or pleasure freak or whatever but I just had a strong desire to have my sexual wants and needs met. In this one area of my life, until now, I really was not that satisfied. I do not want to see other women because the sex probably will not be as good.

For what it is worth, outside of the guys like yourself Steve, I am not sure anyone else has been on this journey. Maybe some rock stars or athletes have been, but they are not going to talk about it.

I have to keep this part of my life hidden but I really wish other guys could really know and understand what I have been through with my sex life and really get IMO what it is like to really be able to have all the different kinds of sex and women you want.

I know I am not missing anything anymore.

[Steve 9696]

Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.Actually you know you are right. I think what I am actually describing is 20% Shayla connection and 80% the difference between a pro vs a seeking girl you really get on with. Now that I think about it, Kayla and Mika were 80% as good. And a few others very very good also. The real comparison is a Seeking girl who you establish comfort with vs a pro. There really is no contest. Tho I can think back to Diva girls who have amazing BBBJ. Much better than what I found in Austria, Germany, or Costa del Sol.

[Steve 9696]

Actually you know you are right. I think what I am actually describing is 20% Shayla connection and 80% the difference between a pro vs a seeking girl you really get on with. Now that I think about it, Kayla and Mika were 80% as good. And a few others very very good also. The real comparison is a Seeking girl who you establish comfort with vs a pro. There really is no contest. Tho I can think back to Diva girls who have amazing BBBJ. Much better than what I found in Austria, Germany, or Costa del Sol.Doh almost forgot my duo with two totally newbie college girls in Cinci who were true lesbian lovers. That was the most epic sex on planet earth. BJ while DFK. Double BJ — one on balls and one on shaft. Fucking one doggie while she two fingers her friend in a frenzy. Learned a ton about female anatomy that night! 😂 That was true epic sex. No emotional connection whatsoever with me. Tons with each other. And of course Seeking for the win once again!

[Chicago85]

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised.

The funny thing is that the Facebook girls have only upped their prices by 50 k or so (good ones for 300 k + propina), the Mileroticos girls are still 200 k or so, and I think short time in the casas is still 80 k to 140 k or so depending on place. It's just very odd that SA is so much more. Unsure if it's the OnlyFans dynamic and some of these girls being flown to Europe and Dubai by rich guys or what!

I appreciate the insight of others!

-Chicago.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised..Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more.

If you want $10 or $20 pussy, sure go to Centro in Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota, but every guy who criticized me for paying $100 for a SA girl had never used the service themselves. We are not in competition with them for their WGs, but those idiots think we are. Fuck them. Do not buy into their penny pitching habits. For us, $25 is nothing. For the women, it is a ton.

[Elvis 2008]

Steve I used to think the same. Now that I am hanging out in CDMX and MTY. Crazy sex is the norm. I mean almost no rules. I am rotating 5 or 6 college girls and they are all total freaks. All love Anal and Rimming, what more can I ask for.

MTY is cool, but I am not sure you would like MTY. I am sure you would love CDMX. I miss Europe, but I am so happy in Mexico, no need to travel overseas any more. I miss Russia, but that is not an option anytime soon, but I had already made the decision that I would not return prior to Covid. Give CDMX a shot.DF, you have an interesting take on the one versus many issue, and I am not advocating for either way. Being with five women versus one sexually is more fun, and it prevents the sex from getting tiresome for sure, and it almost always is exciting.

The hard part is how many women are really worthy of commitment. What I mean is how many women are there really who are not going to let you carry all the weight of the relationship? All this feminine bullshit aside, I am in an industry where the pay is set by third parties including government, and the government sure as hell is not paying men more then women. Still, men make more because they take on the harder jobs and work longer hours. The issue I have found is women do not want to be treated like WGs but often they act just like them if not worse.

So finding someone attractive, good in the sack, and who wants to contribute to a relationship sadly is so rare for most guys it is not an issue. It is best to keep 5 women around and if one acts up, you boot her and move on to another.

What is different with you and Steve is he is married and the benefit of you going deep with one women are really not going to benefit married men. With a married guy, a woman is going to perform possibly really well, but there is a piece of her that she is going to hold back. I know married guys do not want to hear that but it is true. Yeah, you can not tell women you are married or lie to them but if they find out and they do invest their heart in you, they are probably going to move on when they learned you lied to them. What I am getting at though is when an extremely talented and hot woman totally gives herself to you and trusts you that is the best sex there is.

And married guys have a legitimate relationship they can always go to. Single guys do not, and you think it does not wear on you but it does. Even if you try to make it out that the women are not WGs, and you like them, the WG image with your five or so women does bubble up from time to time. And the women know you are seeing other women and may say they are okay with it, but they would all prefer to just be with one guy because of the stigma it puts on them. If they got bills to pay, and you are spending money on other women, that can be hard for them to take.

Also, you have to hide what you are doing from your family and friends to some degree and to customs to some degree. Mr. E says he tells customs when he was in Colombia he went for pussy but I think that is a bad idea. Like with the women thinking they are WGs, I would tell myself, "Eh, it is not that big of a deal", but it adds weight. Men are always saying they can handle stuff and handle the stress, but often, I notice what a weight it is when the pressure and stress are no longer there.

And it has been a relief not to hide what I was doing. Instead of saying I am going to Mexico or Colombia for an unknown reason, I can tell everyone I am seeing my GF. I have not had to hide from family and friends what I have been doing, and there have been connections made between my family and friends and hers. We are driven by sex so you might not think this matters, but it has mattered to me. There is a kind of stress and shame when you going up against societal norms, even though we deny there is, and it has been nice to have that gone.

I am not saying one way is better than the other, and no guy should go the route of one woman only just to do it. There are just too few women especially today worthy of commitment. A guy's happiness is way more important than societal norms. I just wanted to bring up the pluses and minuses as I have seen them of having five women versus one.

[Chicago85]

Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more..Thank you very much Elvis. I appreciate your depth of insight here as well as on the Medelln forum and agree that guys are often comparing apples to oranges (and even bananas sometimes). $100 is not a lot of money for me, but I unfortunately have that ingrained Midwestern trait of wanting to get value for what I pay LOL. Of course doing bareback, multiple pops, and the girl being gorgeous is worth all of that (and up to $140). I'm also here for 3 weeks on this trip so was trying to be thoughtful in feeling 'the goring rate' out first. I was in Panama City a few weeks back and paying $100 to $140 there and felt fine as it was 'the going rate'. Very hot women too.

Since I wrote one girl came back and was fine with 300 k, but still waiting on the others. I think I'll try 400 k with them as you suggest and for a couple of the really hot ones that I haven't discussed price with yet will propose 500 k ($100). There are a few that are older and very into that game that I just know to avoid... one well travelled prepago from Costa Risa suggested that we do a Guatape helicopter tour, mountain top dinner, and I pay for TLN on the first date as an 'exclusive romantic package' (crazy).

Some part of it may also be that it's earlier in the week. I've found girls become much more communicative towards the weekend as they arrange their plans and try to fit in a trick.

[DramaFree11]

Chicago, when you mention COP, I kind of go into a tail spin because 3000 COP used to be close to a $100 and is now $60. When I was there, another monger was paying 200 k which now is $40.

I paid from $80 to $140 and almost all girls were bare, and the average was $100. That $140 sounds outrageous at 700 k but the girl was smoking hot, let me go bare for hours at a time, and she was very skilled.

There was one hot girl in Medellin I paid $75 and went bare with her and later she bitched about how little I paid her. If I gave the women $100, there was no bitching and everyone was willing to repeat.

If you ask this on the Medellin forum where the centro rats live, make sure to cut whatever you paid in half or they will have seizures. But if you just pay $100, whatever the exchange rate, you should not have any trouble.

And I am so sick of the Medellin guys bitching about others "overpaying". You should not be doing SA if $100 is a lot of money to you. It is apples to oranges. The quality of women I was getting in Colombia for $100 was outrageously cheap, and it would be 5 X that in the USA or more.

If you want $10 or $20 pussy, sure go to Centro in Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota, but every guy who criticized me for paying $100 for a SA girl had never used the service themselves. We are not in competition with them for their WGs, but those idiots think we are. Fuck them. Do not buy into their penny pitching habits. For us, $25 is nothing. For the women, it is a ton.Elvis, so true, those guys on the MDE page complain about everything. I think if the sex was free, they would still complain. Good luck in MDE, remember safely first, MDE can be dangerous. You can read my thoughts about MDE, they are not good, I will leave it that.

[MiamiBoy1]

I'm in the process of reading through this forum as I usually post in the city thread. But my question is, what kinds of rates are you guys being quoted these days in Medellin? Over the past couple years I'd typically find girls quoting 350 k to 450 k in Cali and Barranquilla. I could usually talk them down to 300 k + propina and that worked out great, sometimes for TLN after the first trist with BBBJ and covered sex standard.

The rub is that I'm back in Medellin and using SA here after a 2 year hiatus. The women, many of whom are students, are asking 650 k to 700 k and many hinting at covered for everything. I'm countering with 400 k and met with silence. I'm a clean cut athletic guy in his early 40's, so I don't think they're concerned about my appearance or hygiene. Has it really gotten that expensive out there? I know the exchange is 5 k COP: 1 USD, so prices are going up, but have been very surprised.

The funny thing is that the Facebook girls have only upped their prices by 50 k or so (good ones for 300 k + propina), the Mileroticos girls are still 200 k or so, and I think short time in the casas is still 80 k to 140 k or so depending on place. It's just very odd that SA is so much more. Unsure if it's the OnlyFans dynamic and some of these girls being flown to Europe and Dubai by rich guys or what!

I appreciate the insight of others!

-Chicago.I have normally been paying 350 k for 3-4 hour dates, and 400 k to 500 k for TLN. I always try to keep it around $100 or below, this is my comfortable budget and like Elvis said, most girls wouldn't complain. Of course, I also have other costs, like taxis, restaurants, etc but I don't really care about them, since having a great time is my priority, and going out in MDE is really affordable even if you go to a high end venue. I like value too, this is why I prefer MDE over CDMX, because in CDMX similar quality girls are double that rate.

Occasionally, I get quoted 600 k to 1 million COP, but usually pass because I don't like when girls quote me numbers, I'm not interested in hardened pros or spoiled hookers. When it comes down to price negotiation, I give them my comfortable range, take it or leave it. Read my recent post in the Bogota thread about it.

[DramaFree11]

I have normally been paying 350 k for 3-4 hour dates, and 400 k to 500 k for TLN. I always try to keep it around $100 or below, this is my comfortable budget and like Elvis said, most girls wouldn't complain. Of course, I also have other costs, like taxis, restaurants, etc but I don't really care about them, since having a great time is my priority, and going out in MDE is really affordable even if you go to a high end venue. I like value too, this is why I prefer MDE over CDMX, because in CDMX similar quality girls are double that rate.

Occasionally, I get quoted 600 k to 1 million COP, but usually pass because I don't like when girls quote me numbers, I'm not interested in hardened pros or spoiled hookers. When it comes down to price negotiation, I give them my comfortable range, take it or leave it. Read my recent post in the Bogota thread about it.I am not going to argue that MDE is cheaper then CDMX, but for me time is money. The girls I deal with are on time for the most part or at least let me know when they will be late. The girls is CDMX that I am meeting on SA are definitely smarter, less drama and more honest then the Colombian girls.

There is absolutely no issues with Drugs or Violence in CDMX unless you go looking for it. Also, I do not have to deal with all the low end sex tourist in Colombia. Not to mention the shitty music and food in Colombia. Both places have attractive girls.

[Steve 9696]

Had Google Fi for a few trips now. It's magic. Worth every penny of $73/ month. Works everywhere. Unlimited data. So refreshing vs trying to get local SIM or get by from hotspot to hotspot (not recommended! Def check out Google FI if good comms with girls when you travel is important. Couldn't be happier.

[Elvis 2008]

Had Google Fi for a few trips now. It's magic. Worth every penny of $73/ month. Works everywhere. Unlimited data. So refreshing vs trying to get local SIM or get by from hotspot to hotspot (not recommended! Def check out Google FI if good comms with girls when you travel is important. Couldn't be happier.I have a cheap Motorola phone with Google Fi I use as a backup for years, but you do have to activate the SIM card in the USA. And Steve, you are maxing out your data usage. If you use less data, it is even cheaper per month.

When women buy a phone, the #1 thing with them is the camera on the phone. That usually means they want an Iphone, but it is just because the women do not know about the Google Pixel. There is a tech podcast I have been listening to for years and the guy on there is like everyone he knows has a Google Pixel phone because techies know how good and cheap they are in comparison to the Iphone, but Samsung is way more popular to the general population. Like Google Fi, it is just not that advertised, and the Pixel phone really is not sold in third world countries: https://9to5google.com/2022/10/06/pixel-7-countries/.

But even though the phones are not sold there, they work just fine anywhere in the world especially if you have Google Fi.

I bought my gal a Pixel 3 XL on Ebay for $150 and she says it takes better photos than the Iphone. And right now, Amazon is selling a brank new Pixel 6 A, which takes amazing photos, for $299.

I had two women I chatted with on seeking who were on the site and lived in Colombia entirely to get a phone, and they were totally uninterested in anything but an Iphone. In hindsight, I do not think the shopping trips and gift giving amounted to any benefit with the women I was seeing, and I do not recommend doing it, but I would consider giving the women a pixel so they could communicate with me and take nice photos of themselves. Pixels are cheap phones that take amazing photos and not that many people know about them.

[Steve 9696]

So after a string of 8 girls in four days in Austria and Spain at the clubs, I got to squeeze in a single night in London. And I wanted the true GFE that only a real deal Seeking girl can provide. And boy did I find it!

I wound it down with Sarah after our last visit a few weeks ago. I felt kinda bad but we're not so sexually compatible (she's super tight and not so wet and I'm thick so sometimes we fail to have lift off!) and she wanted to Netflix and chill vs go dance. What's up with these girls?

Anyhow I started looking again and had some good prospects. Had been in tight contact with a Brasileira who asked 600 but accepted 400 and with Talita who was more girlfriendy and said it doesn't matter too much but 300 would be nice.

Honestly it wasn't the dollars but the attitude both on that topic and the generally daily girlfriendy chat that Talita kept rolling during the final weeks before meetup. So two days before my visit I let the Brasileira drop and went all in on Talita. I was unsure if choosing chemistry over looks would work out (I adore the brasileira look and Talita was highly variable across a handful of pics) but it was the right call for sure. And she turned out to be a 8.5! Pleasant surprise.

We met up at a small Italian restaurant in a toney part of London. Great food. Great service. And we hit it off from the getgo. Chatting came effortlessly and before we knew it we were alone and the chairs being put up (we ran 20 minutes past closing time). So we went walking in the direction of my favorite Soho dance bar.

I escalated a little with arm around her from time to time. And in the club we sat on the same side of booth which increased the intimacy. After one drink I said "want to catch an Uber" and she was down.

We had a Fuckton of difficulty getting an Uber or a cab. But a helpful pedicab guy said over near picadilly is best and we did finally score one. London cabs are the best. Like being on a couch together. Got much more flirty and friendly and my hand on her leg stroking gently the whole 20 min ride.

Up in the room not too much pretense. I think we had mutual chemistry and she was down to fuck. We put on some tunes and started making out. This is definitely one of the best things about Seeking girls it's like real life. In the club there's either no kissing or you pay for some simulation (I've stopped doing that) whereas with a hot 21 year old (she just turned in June) they want to kiss as much as you do!

I push her on her back on the bed and climb on top on all fours and start making out hard and pushing my dick up against her. I can tell she likes being dominated. She's got on a turtleneck but I push up the bottom and find a lovely black bra and pierced nipples just underneath. Her nipples are VERY sensitive but in a good way. So as I lick and suck them deep she starts moaning and grinding.

I slide a bit lower and start to tease her, licking and kissing her belly and at her belt line. I can tell I have her going. I massage her clit a bit through her pants. And then I rear up and start undoing her button and zipper. It's here I learn that she is not shy flower. She is looking me straight in the eye with unbridled lust as I strip her pants and panties off.

I'm a going to give myself an A+ for pussy work. I was feeling inspired and created a masterpiece. Clit licking and swirling and sucking. One finger in and out. Gspot stroking. Two fingers. Round the world clit massage. Gspot with fingers clit with tongue. You name it. I had her shaking like a leaf.

After letting her recover a bit she went down on me. I won't say her BJ is the best but it's adequate. And I get good and hard. It's amazing to see her tight little body going down on me. she can't be more than 90 pounds.

But I can't stand not feeling that pussy. So I swing her into 69. I am def better than she is LOL. But mutual pleasuring is so satisfying.

At one point she's straddling my stomach facing away from me and OMG her butt looks and feels amazing and she's just playing with my dick. And goddamn I want to fuck her so bad It hurts. So I do!

We suit up (May not have to next time) and I go in mish. She's really tight but not problematically so. And damn we go at it. Kissing deep while fucking mish. A fave. All the usual positions and strong pounding. Maybe 30-40 minutes since we started kissing. Then she mounts up on top. A vision. Hard worker but not feeling the build. In fact I have to pee. Goddamn it!

After short break I am not sure if I can crank her up again. But that's on me. So I do. Kissing. Tits. Pussy worship. And man she gets worked up. She has her hardest orgasm this time while I'm finger fucking her with two fingers. She's indicating harder and faster and frankly I am fucking the life out of her. I saw this with the lesbian duo. Some girls really love a deep hard finger fucking and this girl surely does.

Of course we then replace the fingers with something more suitable and then fuck some more. She says doggie is her fave so I give her s good pounding with her smiling over her shoulder, sometimes beckoning for a kiss which I oblige.

Well after tons of fucking (prob 1. 5 hrs total time?) still don't quite get there but we work it out. I lie on my back and start working my shaft and ask her to get on balls. I can tell she's a little tired honestly but she's a trooper. What she does instead is sit on my feet and start acting ridiculously sexy looking into my eyes. Sucking her finger. Getting it wet and making lazy nipple circles. Leaning forward to drool on my cock or give a few tongue taps under the head. More sexy tits and nipples while slip sliding my soaked balls with her hands and fingers and bam! Liftoff!

Wow. A true night of GFE. Wonderful chatty dinner. Arm around. Physical escalation to a crescendo. Dominance. Deep and meaningful kissing. Pussy work till she can honestly hardly walk. No lie. Great fucking. Doe eyes. Sexy AF. The whole package.

Seeking for the win win win!

[MiamiBoy1]

I am not going to argue that MDE is cheaper then CDMX, but for me time is money. The girls I deal with are on time for the most part or at least let me know when they will be late. The girls is CDMX that I am meeting on SA are definitely smarter, less drama and more honest then the Colombian girls.

There is absolutely no issues with Drugs or Violence in CDMX unless you go looking for it. Also, I do not have to deal with all the low end sex tourist in Colombia. Not to mention the shitty music and food in Colombia. Both places have attractive girls.I'm sure if I bump my budget 2 x-3 x, up to 1 million cop, or more, the girls will be always on time and less drama LOL.

[DramaFree11]

I'm sure if I bump my budget 2 x-3 x, up to 1 million cop, or more, the girls will be always on time and less drama LOL.Time is money. I am glad to pay a little more, to eliminate a lot of the be. S.

[DonCarlos1234]

I unfortunately have that ingrained Midwestern trait of wanting to get value for what I pay LOL. Of course doing bareback, multiple pops, and the girl being gorgeous is worth all of that (and up to $140). I'm also here for 3 weeks on this trip so was trying to be thoughtful in feeling 'the goring rate' out first.

Some part of it may also be that it's earlier in the week. I've found girls become much more communicative towards the weekend as they arrange their plans and try to fit in a trick.I am also (originally) from Chi Town / NW Indiana. And will be in Colombia for 3 weeks (maybe more) starting Thanksgiving. In the past I paid girls (who asked) what they asked for. Way more than anyone on the Medellin board would want to hear about. Now my concern is which girls to see on this next trip. One thinks she is in love. LOL.

SA banned me around 6 months ago. But I ran out of time to contact all the numbers I had saved. I still would like to get back on and see who is available.

[DonCarlos1234]

DF, you have an interesting take on the one versus many issue,
I am not saying one way is better than the other, and no guy should go the route of one woman only just to do it. There are just too few women especially today worthy of commitment. A guy's happiness is way more important than societal norms. I just wanted to bring up the pluses and minuses as I have seen them of having five women versus one.

e.Few if any single guys get to have these choices. Elvis, Drama & few others. Few if any could meet the kind of girls (women) that would be potential "Soul / Sex mates" except for SA. IMHO 6 years ago I discovered ISG & SA about the same time. Then I was living in Baja close to HKTJ and at first I thought these guys are all sicko, perverts and womanizers. Well now here I am. For me (maybe it's an excuse) I figure between my age and my career (I do erotic art sort of) LOL I feel the girls I've met deserve more than I can afford of my time. Attention and feelings. So having fresh horses to carry me to the finish line (pun intended) at this stage seems FANTASTIC! But having just one is still a little scary. Good Luck guys and tell me how things work out in Medellin 4 you Chicago.

[Matthew44]

Had Google Fi for a few trips now. It's magic. Worth every penny of $73/ month. Works everywhere. Unlimited data. So refreshing vs trying to get local SIM or get by from hotspot to hotspot (not recommended! Def check out Google FI if good comms with girls when you travel is important. Couldn't be happier.One thing you do have to watch out for with Google Fi, is that eventually they will disable the data service, if you are outside of the US for too long. Apparently it is in the Terms of Service that although they offer free international data roaming, it is not intended to be done on a regular basis. That is, for vacations or short trips, you should be fine. But for longer stays, they can potentially discontinue your service, and you will still be charged for your plan, but unable to use it.

This year I stayed in Colombia for three months, and the phone worked perfect for the first two months. In the third month I received the following message:

"As a reminder, Fi's Terms of Service require you to use our service primarily in the United States (territories not included), and it looks like you've been predominantly using Fi abroad. In 30 days, we'll need to suspend your international roaming data capabilities unless you start using Fi in the United States again (territories not included). Your calls and texts will not be impacted."

Fortunately, my was trip ending in less than 30 days, so using the phone in the US again was not a problem. But next year I plan on traveling for nine months, so it may be problematic. I plan to use local SIMs to supplement my Fi plan, with the hope that low data usage will lead them to not turn off data while I am traveling. (Note: You can still use data while on WiFi, you just won't be able to use data over mobile networks.).

In any case, just a caveat to keep in mind, for those of you doing prolonged stays. Otherwise, Google Fi has worked great for me.

[Steve 9696]

Was reading in another thread where some guys said that guys don't disclose how much work Seeking is or that there are failures amid the successes. Thought I would catalog my 2022 thus far on Seeking with the following caveats:

1. It is a shit ton of work and I put in the time to search, find, chat up, and groom the hotties.

2. I am very good at the game having played it for three years now.

3. I am above average in height, looks (for my age), and charisma.

4. Once you hook a baby you can go back to her months or years later and it's all good. Just fire it back up!

5. It's expensive in the US. Most girls below were 400-500.

Here is the chronology of my Seeking girls THIS YEAR. The good the bad and the ugly. By far good to great. I always give them fake names in my reports here and I can't always remember what I called them so sometimes I may say Girl 5 or something below.

Shayla First girl of the year and best girl of the year. We started out slow and became more and more regular and passionate. She's now officially my mistress. I pay for her place and see her whenever I want. No PPM. Great girl. The best. Def smitten and a little in love.

Layla First saw her in 2020. She was my regular girl for 6-9 months. Seen her a couple times since. She texts and says want to fuck and who am I to say no. 😂 Solid girl. Worth seeing.

Liz First saw her in 2019. We were quick suck and fuck back then but became real friends and lovers whenever in town. But she has a boyfriend now and moved on. Solid girl. Ton of fun.

Kayla This was my Florida girl that I saw monthly in 2021. Happened to get an overnight on way to Medellin and we enjoyed each other overnight. Really quality girl. 10 body.

Nyla 1 Tried this girl when Kayla was acting like the old ball and chain. Goes to show these girls can be naive and emotionally invested. She cried when she found out I was married. But we fucked an hour later. LOL. Not my finest Seeking hour. This girl was fat. No way to sugar coat it. But damn she likes to fuck and suck.

Lucia. Buenos Aires. Drop dead full on 10. Only one ever for me. Sex was mediocre but still a win. OMG.

Meli Buenos Aires. Wow. Hot girl. Big tits. Enthusiastic and fun. No regrets.

Nyla 2 - Last minute snag with the "I'm going out you coming" approach. Beautiful college girl. Super time.

Lei. Actual model / actress no lie. Bit of a flake. Had a great time but she stung me for $700 (in addition to 700 ppm! So this was def a fail in the end. But soooo fun the one night we had.

Alexa My longest standing SB. From 2019. I've flown her to Miami and seen her in Vegas. Adore this girl. Will see her whenever wherever she wants.

Sarah Fun and smart girl. Flew her to Europe from London. Great time but faded. Have a new London girl now.

Maria Only full on failure this year. Nice dinner but she clearly didn't want to fuck me. Had a quick fuck NOT to completion and got her the fuck out. Yes. Bad experiences do happen even to me.

Malo. Copenhagen- last minute score. Nice enough banter. Heavy girl. Mediocre sex. Not quite a fail but def not a win either.

Talita. New London girl. Subject of recent report. Wowza. Great fun. Great attitude. Great sex. Great price. Will repeat!

So there you have it. With all the caveats. By my tally out of 14 experiences this year, 11 were good to great, 2 were mediocre, and one was an utter fail. As I wrote this down I was surprised how many are repeats. Five girls I had met in 2019-2021! So going to have to say that is another strong point for SA. Once you make a "girlfriend" you can have her off and on again for quite some time. A girl in every port so to speak!

Ps All girls were dinner and straight to room first night (Shayla was in second date for logistical reasons). No coffee dates. All girls were 22-24. Believe Alexa is 25 now and Layla 26.

[Steve 9696]

So thinking about this past year and predominately wins and home runs, I got to thinking it might be useful to the team to examine the losses and could they be avoided. Here are my thoughts:

Nyla1 - Not really a loss because we had a lovely dinner and we fucked bareback that night and next morning and had a lovely sleep together and she's a truly sweet, if immature, girl. But I don't like paying top dollar for fat chicks. So could this have been avoided? Yes and no.

In the lead up I could tell she was thick. But I've thought that before and been totally wrong. I thought Kayla might be thick and damn she has a perfect 10 body. Camera lies in so many ways. So I don't regret going on the date.

Then at dinner it was obvious she was fat. Not thick. Fat. I coulda for sure pulled the plug after dinner and no $$ spent. Maybe I'm too nice a guy but I don't really want to whack her already fragile self esteem so I figure let's ride it out and see how it goes. And honestly it went fine. She can use $400 way more than me and we honestly had a nice time.

My advice? Fuck some fat girls. As long as you take Viagra you are not going to have any problem staying hard. They really do try harder. And they can be very nice girls. It's not so bad once you put a couple behind you. It's not what I seek but it's not half bad once you get used to it.

Malo — Same basic story. A lot fatter in person but not a big as Nyla1. Chemistry was meh at dinner and coulda bailed. I guess I'the rather go fuck and see how it goes than just bail and never know. I mean the Nyla thing was fine in the end. Sex with Malo was very perfunctory and meh so, worth a tumble but not a win.

Lei — This was a success on so many levels but a monetary fail. The vibe and sex and daddy daughter role play (with a legit actress!) was amazing. Fuck I really liked this girl. But the lesson — which we all know and sometimes forget— never send money ahead. No matter what. And when you get gold digger vibes they are probably right. Don't ignore them. Go with girls that are not always asking for money (first sign was she asked for plane ticket money to Coachella before we even met! I said no, but that was big red flag). That said I do not regret meeting and fucking her. I wa smitten and it was amazing while it lasted (5 hrs LOL) and fortunately $$ are not a big issue for me.

Maria — The full on fail. Honestly there was no way to avoid this on the lead up. She was super chatty and girlfriendy for like 6 weeks prior. Chatting all the time. Great girl. Exactly the kinda girl I hit home runs with. So no chance for a save there.

At dinner was my first potential chance to bail. She was gorgeous but something felt off on chemistry. Why was I not dying to fuck her? Clearly a 9 on looks and totally my type. But something about her demeanor was off putting. I realize in retrospect that she was not into me at all and that probably showed thru.

Walking to hotel she says "I'm not going to fuck you" and I say that's OK let's just go up and see what happens. I've had success with seduction before but when she used those exact very explicit words prob red flag should have triggered. But def why not take a 9 to your room and try to fuck her.

Same red flag again in room. I start the seduction and she says she wants to talk money first. She wants $400 and this was in Spain so clearly this is the I don't want to fuck you price. She says no BJ. I shoulda kicked her out. That was last red flag. Fail fail fail Steve. Just kick her out. Instead we fuck for a bit — it's very lame. And I send her packing with a very generous $200. Unlike Nyla where I overspent $400 on a fat chick I felt good about that. Made her happy. Had good sex. All good really. Whereas this just felt cheap dirty and used. Fail.

So I guess the summary of actions I could and should have taken. Never never ever ever send money ahead. Even when you think you know them. And if I girl gives you the "I don't want to fuck you" price and no BJ — it ain't going to be good. Kick her out right then. Cut your losses. Other than that don't guess I'the change a thing.

[NeilGeorge]

My advice? Fuck some fat girls. As long as you take Viagra you are not going to have any problem staying hard. They really do try harder. And they can be very nice girls. It's not so bad once you put a couple behind you. It's not what I seek but it's not half bad once you get used to it.
Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.

[AmericanPi]

Seeking girl I met few weeks ago. In her pics she was thick, but good thick. Pics at the gym and stuff.

Real life she's more like 20 pounds overweight. At five feet tall.

First words she said: "am I like my pictures? Am I what you thought?

Me in my mind: "bich you lied to me and I'll never forgive this. ".


Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.

[LshRoomer]

Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.I've had a few fat girls come onto me pretty strongly, but never took the bait.

Each person has their preferences and their limits they operate within. I personally prefer thin, small to medium tits / ass. The whole body package is what gets me going (sporty; 5'6"; abs not a necessity); That's probably why big fake tits usually do nothing for me because they don't naturally blend in with the girl's body (they look great with clothes on! I've been told more than once to bang a few fat girls and it may not be bad. However, in the SA world. , I'm picky AF because I usually have a flock responding to my advances and I simply go after the ones that are most promising and that never includes the big girls, BUT. Big girls need love too, so I'll send those over to Steve. LOL. LOL.

But seriously, regardless of size, weight, beauty, or personality, it's good to be discerning and willing to cut the rope when the weight gets too heavy (no pun intended). Those red flags and spidy senses are there for a reason. I'm an experience seeker and if it looks like a bad experience is on the horizon, I usually attempt to end those situations sharply and move on to more favorable conditions.

For the guys that only choose to see the positive reviews here, I would stand next to you with a supportive hand on the shoulder and calmly say the words that most of us are screaming in our heads, "RTFF" LOL. Loll. No but seriously, it's not all wins but the wins are so glorious in most cases that they usually fuel more discussion than the negative ones.

IMVHO bad experiences are usually due to:

1. staying in a sinking ship too long (leave during / after dinner / drinks) - Have a backup in case things don't work out. Book them 4 hours apart. Gives you enough tiime to responsibly cancel.

2. letting your small head do the thinking.

3. being inexperienced.

4. not being aggressive when you need to be.

5. Forgetting to guard your loins (take this anyway you like).

6. failing to set the terms of the engagement (we don't pay for coffee dates and we don't send money before meeting) (don't be a pushover. There are far too many girls for that).

8. letting the SB lead (Liz (MAD) told me, "you have to pay for the cake" and I responded, "right, YOU have to pay for the cake". She paused confused and then said, "no, wait, I'm the cake. Haha".

9. Not doing your research into the SA world #duediligence (RTFF).

I still fall at some of these, but they have also helped me to cut the rope when needed in order to avoid prolonged unpleasantness.

02.

[Houndd]

Brother, shed some more light on this magic potion elixir. Of the late V or see isn't giving me much results and I am starting getting complaints from my SB's.


You cannot compare seeking with tinder, its an altogether diff league.

You can find some amazing gems in Travel girls but even that is no comparison to Seeking.

Have heard some other websites more discreet and expensive but never tried that.

Cheers:

With the Magic Potion Elixir: seeking is a different ball game, absolutely sexy. You feel like a 18 year young boy with the libido, tst levels, stiffness and energy is just amazing.

I've left V, see and any kind of medication and its only MP and few of the fellow Dubai ISG'ians are enjoying like crazy. 100% Organic and only Natural herbs.

Your 18-25 year old SB just hangs on to your dick when she sees the power it has, she feels it is her enigma which is making you horny and hard.

Ciao.

Peace.

Disfruta.

[DramaFree11]

Seeking girl I met few weeks ago. In her pics she was thick, but good thick. Pics at the gym and stuff.

Real life she's more like 20 pounds overweight. At five feet tall.

First words she said: "am I like my pictures? Am I what you thought?

Me in my mind: "bich you lied to me and I'll never forgive this. ".Been there and done it. I try to be respectful, but I have gotten really pissed off a couple times and immediately sent them packing. I had a couple of big girls that got through my screening process in CDMX. I had dinner with 3, at the end I tried to be polite and said, I need to work early in the morning. They wanted nothing to do with ending the night, they were bagging me to go home, but I stuck to my guns. Very uncomfortable, but I can not do big girls. A nice body I am in all day long.

[DonCarlos1234]

Those other sites suck big time. Like pay for this pay for that. And even sometimes spam daddies without a girls permission. Generally very disappointing.

When sesta / fosta came on I the US one of my fave sites banned people from the US. So I just set up a VPN app and you can appear from anywhere in the world. So that would solve your IP tracking problem. I'm sure if you search VPN on App Store there will be plenty.Hi Steve. I will be testing this ASAP. Maybe tonight. I want to get back on SA. Will use this or a phone (San Diego #) it seems complicated. Any ideas?

In order to spoof your location, we recommend using a Chromium-based browser (Google Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge.).

Before spoofing your location, connect to one of our servers, go to iplocation.net, copy the green IP address, and paste it to IP Location Finder.

Then, locate the latitude, and longitude of the server's location.

Then do the following:

Press Ctrl + Shift + J (Windows) or CMD + Shift + J (macOS) to access Developer Tools.

Select the three-dot menu icon in the top right of the Developer Tools panel. Scroll to "More Tools" and select "Sensors".

Press on "Manage" next to the Location and press on "Add location".

Enter the location name;.

Copy and paste the latitude and longitude of the IP address into the fields;.

9:52 pm.

You can refer to this website in order to find the Timezone ID for that specific location;.

For Locale, you can refer to this website, however, most of the time, en_US works best.

Once you've filled all of the fields, please try accessing the streaming service and let us know how it goes!

[The Cane]

Life is too short to be with Fat girls. Promptly dismiss at the restaurant and say, "Sorry, you are not my type" and walk away. Unless you want a BJ from a fat girl. And my car will not let fat girls inside, it will scrape on the ground. End of subject.I haven't fucked a fat (or unattractive) girl in 20 years! What's the point of doing that when I don't have to? Never again! I like my THOTS hot only! Will accept nothing less.

[Steve 9696]

Hi Steve. I will be testing this ASAP. Maybe tonight. I want to get back on SA. Will use this or a phone (San Diego #) it seems complicated. Any ideas?

In order to spoof your location, we recommend using a Chromium-based browser (Google Chrome, Brave, Microsoft Edge.).

Before spoofing your location, connect to one of our servers, go to iplocation.net, copy the green IP address, and paste it to IP Location Finder.

Then, locate the latitude, and longitude of the server's location.

Then do the following:

Press Ctrl + Shift + J (Windows) or CMD + Shift + J (macOS) to access Developer Tools.

Select the three-dot menu icon in the top right of the Developer Tools panel. Scroll to "More Tools" and select "Sensors".

Press on "Manage" next to the Location and press on "Add location".

Enter the location name;.

Copy and paste the latitude and longitude of the IP address into the fields;.

9:52 pm.

You can refer to this website in order to find the Timezone ID for that specific location;.

For Locale, you can refer to this website, however, most of the time, en_US works best.

Once you've filled all of the fields, please try accessing the streaming service and let us know how it goes!This sounds like how to do it manually and it sounds complex. I had a NordVPN subscription. It was like $4/ month. You just log into the app and there is a map of servers worldwide. You choose the one you want to log into (outside the US) and login. All your traffic will go thru that server. It will be slower because it's having to go round trip thru that server so don't pick too far away.

Don’t know for sure but guessing u should be on Wi-Fi for this. I don’t know if there is any cell tower triangulation or something that might give away ur location otherwise.

[Steve 9696]

I haven't fucked a fat (or unattractive) girl in 20 years! What's the point of doing that when I don't have to? Never again! I like my THOTS hot only! Will accept nothing less.I look at it this way. The fail was in picking a fat girl. But once you are at dinner with a fat girl your choices are:

1 send her packing. Probably sad and defeated. Go to your hotel and jerk off. Blech.

2 Follow thru. Get at least a good BBBJ and probably some shockingly good fucking. Go home with empty balls.

I def prefer the later. It's a lose lose when you bail. But that's just me.

I am the same way at FKK. I am amazed by guys who can leave with full balls. I can’t do it. I am gonna fuck someone. Preferably a female. LOL.

[TedFerguson]

Tl; dr way more frustrating than it should be, but some gems to be found.

I arrived in BsAs from Sao Paulo about a month ago with a contact list of maybe 6 girls I had contacted on Seeking up to a month prior. I've seen girls use Seeking quite sporadically due to the high amount of noise, so I've started collecting numbers much earlier before arrival.

Of these 6, 2 turned out to be good finds, but both of these were more complicated to meet than normal (a general trend here). The first one wanted to meet at a hotel for safety reasons, which is actually legit because my Airbnb requires a key to exit the building (why? "for safety reasons, so robbers can't get out if they get in" The second one had a problem with her dog the first time we were supposed to meet, felt ashamed about it and I had to talk her into meeting again.

The meet at hotel thing repeated itself a number of times, as did "I don't want to meet in public because my acquaintances could recognize me". I'm in my mid 30's and look ok, but this isn't acceptable for some reason here? Two girls weren't comfortable sharing decent pictures. On a positive note, those two did turn out to be solid options. Both were great conversationalists and were comfortable sticking around for second rounds without prompting. One bought some sex toys we'll try this week.

Besides this initial set, other girls have been hard to come by. One girl had a problem with her aunt dying. Another contact from a previous trip had her shoulder broken and needs weeks to heal. One got super pissed off at some family thing and just went AWOL for a few days. And another one got super pissed off at the idea that if we meet, we may not have chemistry (given she only shared one blurry picture of her face). Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.

[SamPeter71]

I use SA extensively in Mexico city and I liked it so far. I am considering a trip to Brazil and Argentina. How is the pricing for SA girls there. I typically look for girls in 19 to 23 age petite.

Any pointers / tips will be appreciated.

Thanks.


Tl; dr way more frustrating than it should be, but some gems to be found.

I arrived in BsAs from Sao Paulo about a month ago with a contact list of maybe 6 girls I had contacted on Seeking up to a month prior. I've seen girls use Seeking quite sporadically due to the high amount of noise, so I've started collecting numbers much earlier before arrival.

Of these 6, 2 turned out to be good finds, but both of these were more complicated to meet than normal (a general trend here). The first one wanted to meet at a hotel for safety reasons, which is actually legit because my Airbnb requires a key to exit the building (why? "for safety reasons, so robbers can't get out if they get in" The second one had a problem with her dog the first time we were supposed to meet, felt ashamed about it and I had to talk her into meeting again.

The meet at hotel thing repeated itself a number of times, as did "I don't want to meet in public because my acquaintances could recognize me". I'm in my mid 30's and look ok, but this isn't acceptable for some reason here? Two girls weren't comfortable sharing decent pictures. On a positive note, those two did turn out to be solid options. Both were great conversationalists and were comfortable sticking around for second rounds without prompting. One bought some sex toys we'll try this week.

Besides this initial set, other girls have been hard to come by. One girl had a problem with her aunt dying. Another contact from a previous trip had her shoulder broken and needs weeks to heal. One got super pissed off at some family thing and just went AWOL for a few days. And another one got super pissed off at the idea that if we meet, we may not have chemistry (given she only shared one blurry picture of her face). Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.

[Playboy2021]

Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.Damn. I am planning a three month trip to Buenos Aires in January and have been looking through Seeking. There appear to be a fair amount of girls. Hopefully you have better luck over the next couple weeks. Keep us posted!

[NeilGeorge]

I haven't fucked a fat (or unattractive) girl in 20 years! What's the point of doing that when I don't have to? Never again!They look like a bowl of jello when you fuck them. Not normal. Sick. Not the way God made them, to reproduce.

[Steve 9696]

Damn. I am planning a three month trip to Buenos Aires in January and have been looking through Seeking. There appear to be a fair amount of girls. Hopefully you have better luck over the next couple weeks. Keep us posted!Ted has more data points than me. But I had two amazing dates back in March. First was a full on ten and I don't say that lightly. Sex was meh but the optics were sensational and a wonderful chatty girl with perfect English. Amazing time overall. We didn't agree price but had kinda ball parked it. I went to give her $200 and she seemed sad. I gave her $300 and she jumped up and hugged me. So there's one.

Next night tried for same girl but she was incommunicado. So I found another. (First girl finally got in touch mid dinner and I told her I was already out w colleagues). More an 8 face but a damn set of firm DS that were top tier stuff. Not a lick of English and we laughed so hard at her trying to pronounce English words. We had an amazing time. And barebacked w pull out. She was $200. The girls all want USD.

And back in 2019 had another home run in BA. So I wouldn't throw in the towel yet. Just beat in mind Seeking is a fuckton of work to find the gems.

[The Cane]

They look like a bowl of jello when you fuck them. Not normal. Sick. Not the way God made them, to reproduce.You may remember the old joke. How do you fuck a fat girl? You flip through the rolls of fat like a rolodex (remember them) until you smell shit, then you flip back three! LMAO!

[JuliusGeezer]

I use SA extensively in Mexico city and I liked it so far. I am considering a trip to Brazil and Argentina. How is the pricing for SA girls there. I typically look for girls in 19 to 23 age petite.

Any pointers / tips will be appreciated.

Thanks.How was your experience in CDMX? Did you set your expectations firmly up front with them as in if there is chemistry blah blah blah, we will head back to my place? I'm guessing there might have been some that flaked or do they all fully understand the terms? I'm sure there's some who expect $ for just showing up for a coffee or a dinner, sorry for the questions but noob here which is why I ask.

I've been seeing ganar ganar in a lot of profiles, does that just mean win win or is that code for something else? LOL.

[Elvis 2008]

The meet at hotel thing repeated itself a number of times, as did "I don't want to meet in public because my acquaintances could recognize me". I'm in my mid 30's and look ok, but this isn't acceptable for some reason here? Two girls weren't comfortable sharing decent pictures. On a positive note, those two did turn out to be solid options. Both were great conversationalists and were comfortable sticking around for second rounds without prompting. One bought some sex toys we'll try this week.

Besides this initial set, other girls have been hard to come by. One girl had a problem with her aunt dying. Another contact from a previous trip had her shoulder broken and needs weeks to heal. One got super pissed off at some family thing and just went AWOL for a few days. And another one got super pissed off at the idea that if we meet, we may not have chemistry (given she only shared one blurry picture of her face). Just a ton of work compared to Brazilian or Colombian girls.

Now I understand SA girls have problems in their lives, but the level and amount of problems here are exceptional. And they make them worse by being arrogant and irritated. I suspect Argentinian women are at their best outside Argentina, where the overcomplicated, dysfunctional culture is less impactful on their state of minds. Speaking of which, it's impacting my state of mind too! There are 2-3 new girls next week. Hopefully things will improve or I'm heading out in 2 weeks.LOL. I think you unearthed a lot about the Argentine culture. Psychoanalysis is very popular there and it looks like you have found out why. Among the South Americans, Argentines are known for being cocky, and it sounds like it with this, "You cannot begin to understand my problems" schtick.

I have not had Argentine women outside of Argentina but I am not sure they would be any better. Thing is the Brazilians looked better, performed better, and were more down to earth. Colombians are sweeter, and the expats in Argentina swore the best women in Buenos Aires were from Paraguay.

My best Argentine encounter there was my first one. Gal gave me a massage for 2 hours and did anything sexually I wanted. I went back to her club the following day, could not find her, and banged someone else. I went a third time and she was aloof because she heard I was with someone else. Normally, I would call her foolish, a WG who thought we had a relationship, but I knew a woman who performed and looked like she did could snare a guy, and she did. I heard a millionaire from Chile married her.

The Argentine woman has the potential to be all that. I found them to be smart, better dressers, and more sophisticated than the other Latin women. If you could find a hot smart humble one who is great sexually, I think doing better elsewhere would be near impossible. The problem is the hot part may be the easiest to get there. There were just so many hotties who were cocky, distant, or insecure. The Paraguayans were not as intelligent or sophisticated but much more secure and much more interested in pleasing you in bed. That is why looks wise I think Argentina is great but performance wise IMO, it is below Venezuela, Colombia, Paraguay, Peru, and Brazil.

[EuropeanDmv75]

I look at it this way. The fail was in picking a fat girl. But once you are at dinner with a fat girl your choices are:

1 send her packing. Probably sad and defeated. Go to your hotel and jerk off. Blech.

2 Follow thru. Get at least a good BBBJ and probably some shockingly good fucking. Go home with empty balls.

I def prefer the later. It's a lose lose when you bail. But that's just me.

I am the same way at FKK. I am amazed by guys who can leave with full balls. I cant do it. I am gonna fuck someone. Preferably a female. LOL.I have not fucked a truly fat girl but I have been in situations where the girl was chubby (heavier than in her pictures) and applied the same logic that you described. And the few times I have done it, my experience was mostly positive. They were pleasant and enthusiastic to please. They gave me great BBBJs and it was easier to convince them to do bareback (especially after I brought up the topic that their lied with their pictures LOL). I did not repeat with those girls because I would have not chosen them in the first place but when you get lemons, make lemonade.

[Hadez]

I am impressed with SA in CDMX. I changed my location to there and lots of girls been messaging me. Two girls on your list have reached out to me.

When I am finished with my filtering I will share what I am finding. I could probably spend a week in CDMX exploring the options for ladies alone.


Hello Guys!

Let's share to the community my last week findings related to Seeking in Mexico City and Metropolitan Area.

The following girls are willing to have a NSA dates inside an hotel room. You know what I mean.

Not sure if all of them speaks English but you can try to be speak with them and it's ok if you go directly to the point but please: don't be rude. Be gentle and polite. There are most probably not pros.

Price amounts may not be fixed, it will depends on the agreement, how you looks, how you talk to them, if you are foreigner, etc etc.

Please, be caution and Enjoy!

Amount Mexican Peso / Link.

1. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/f9c7db83-ebc2-4caf-a25e-487e0d7c2eba.

2. $1500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/89c92229-7c05-4bf3-a7fe-74e6515fa3b1.

3. $4000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/33fc61de-e87d-4f2a-8c22-729a383ff1ad.

4. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/48fa70aa-3281-4f05-8847-759191619615.

5. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/4d8b8286-a801-40c8-84f3-b64270d37fb9.

6. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/db1e5e4d-1441-4da8-843e-595956399cae.

7. $5000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/43103692-db18-4bba-9432-9402119f97b3.

8. $1000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/3229f9dc-68ab-4568-88b9-a576b03f52bf.

9. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/d15640da-be04-451a-8f47-2ec44494a4ae.

10. $2000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/eb9cc2a0-88b1-4573-9956-01622621a98f.

11. $2500 - https://members.seeking.com/member/9b882ead-e90b-43e3-a200-0f28c785adaa.

12. $3000 - https://members.seeking.com/member/0dad7553-f69b-4ecf-9031-c823a97fa445.

Please, if you have more info with links please share!

[Hadez]

When meeting girls from SA / Online is there any dangers we should look out for?

I am staying in a safe part of town. Any advice will be helpful. I have navigated bad neighborhoods and seedy business in many towns but always looking for any suggestions that may help. This trip is just about getting to know what CDMX offers and some sight seeing. Bringing a friend so not trying to get into any trouble. Trying to keep it fun and in the known places of fun.

A girl I met in Tijuana who lives in CDMX said this kind of stuff is not allowed. Is there any law enforcement involved with the sex work in this city? Her English is not the best so I wonder if there was some misunderstanding.

[Playboy2021]

Ted has more data points than me. But I had two amazing dates back in March. First was a full on ten and I don't say that lightly. Sex was meh but the optics were sensational and a wonderful chatty girl with perfect English. Amazing time overall. We didn't agree price but had kinda ball parked it. I went to give her $200 and she seemed sad. I gave her $300 and she jumped up and hugged me. So there's one.

Next night tried for same girl but she was incommunicado. So I found another. (First girl finally got in touch mid dinner and I told her I was already out w colleagues). More an 8 face but a damn set of firm DS that were top tier stuff. Not a lick of English and we laughed so hard at her trying to pronounce English words. We had an amazing time. And barebacked w pull out. She was $200. The girls all want USD.

And back in 2019 had another home run in BA. So I wouldn't throw in the towel yet. Just beat in mind Seeking is a fuckton of work to find the gems.Steve your reports are why I was exploring a trip to Buenos Aires in the first place! Attractive white Latinas that I can bareback for $200 - $300 sounds good to me. I don't mind mining SA for leads. Weather supposed to be nice in January so should be a good trip regardless.

[ContinentalF]

When meeting girls from SA / Online is there any dangers we should look out for?

I am staying in a safe part of town. Any advice will be helpful. I have navigated bad neighborhoods and seedy business in many towns but always looking for any suggestions that may help. This trip is just about getting to know what CDMX offers and some sight seeing. Bringing a friend so not trying to get into any trouble. Trying to keep it fun and in the known places of fun.

A girl I met in Tijuana who lives in CDMX said this kind of stuff is not allowed. Is there any law enforcement involved with the sex work in this city? Her English is not the best so I wonder if there was some misunderstanding.In Mexico City I would just use common sense and intuition. If you stick around the main touristy areas like Polanco, Reforma, Roma and Condesa and are not acting like a fool, you are not likely to find any trouble. I think there is a language barrier and misunderstanding with your conversation. CDMX police are not setting up sting operations on SA.

[DramaFree11]

In Mexico City I would just use common sense and intuition. If you stick around the main touristy areas like Polanco, Reforma, Roma and Condesa and are not acting like a fool, you are not likely to find any trouble. I think there is a language barrier and misunderstanding with your conversation. CDMX police are not setting up sting operations on SA.I love SA in Mexico City, it just does not get much better. I am truly living a dream.

As others mentioned stay in Polanco or Condessa, you will not have any issues. The only issues I have is some of the apartments are strict about bringing visitors to visit, so make sure you double check the apartment rules.

[WyattEarp]

The Argentine woman has the potential to be all that. I found them to be smart, better dressers, and more sophisticated than the other Latin women. If you could find a hot smart humble one who is great sexually, I think doing better elsewhere would be near impossible. The problem is the hot part may be the easiest to get there. There were just so many hotties who were cocky, distant, or insecure.This sounds like the usual stereotyping of Argentinians, but there are decades of truth behind it. It's not just the aloofness and attitude of the women. This arrogance and drama is endemic in the entire culture. The business culture is affected by the same delusions. History has moved on and left them with a very bad psyche.

The country that was once the wealthy Paris of South America is a long. Long way in time from that gilded age. It's interesting to see this grand past on the streets of Buenos Aires. With per capita GDP income actually close to Brazil's, Argentinians still think of Argentina as an extension of Western Europe.

There's the old joke that floats around between other South Americans.

"Buy an Argentine for what he's worth, then sell him for what he thinks he's worth, and you'll be very rich."

[AmericanPi]

Sht happened to me again.

Was in Texas for work. Not an easy place to Seek. You get spoiled abroad. Here it seems like 20 year old girls don't really flock to this mid-40's guy. Go figure.

Anyways got one 22 yo Asian chick to show up for dinner. Her pic was thin, typical Asian girl.

First thing I noticed in real life is she's like 40 pounds heavier. Hoe lied to me with an old picture. OK AmericanPi, stay calm. The train has left the station, let's see what we can make of this.

Then it becomes clear as day that she's stupid. Like not mentally retarded but below average IQ. Getting through dinner was a chore.

And she'd say stupid things. Like she's working a min wage job but she's saving up for a tattoo. Come on girl get your priorities in order.

I bring her back to the hotel and she starts to undress. When I see the belly rolls I just stop it right there. Told her I feel guilty being a middle aged man with a twenties girl. Paid her half the agreed amount to just end right there.

In fairness I did not at all let on it's because she's a chub. Totally played the cards as though I just found my conscience and she's too sweet a girl and all of that.

But no. It's because she was fat.


Seeking girl I met few weeks ago. In her pics she was thick, but good thick. Pics at the gym and stuff.

Real life she's more like 20 pounds overweight. At five feet tall.

First words she said: "am I like my pictures? Am I what you thought?

Me in my mind: "bich you lied to me and I'll never forgive this..

[Ggekko2009]

I just want to share this news here. A lot of discussions on the Medellin site over this robbery and murder incident that originated from Tinder.

Be extra careful especially drinking from an unknown source or while your drink is left unattended in bar etc. Drugging and then robbing you is more common than one might think. I personally know someone who was drugged and was completely cleaned out and he was an expat living in Medellin. It could be a lot worse.

Here is the link to the recent news of the Medellin Tinder murder.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34k7e/colombia-medellin-paul-nguyen-death-tinder

https://nextshark.com/california-man-found-dead-after-tinder-date-in-colombia/

[Steve 9696]

Thought about this girl the other day. Maybe because we were talking heavy girls. But it's a great story about how some girls are complete non-pros. Not even semi-pro but like total babe in the woods first timers. Tons of persistence and some Nampa and I have her doing things she's never done before. Here's the story. 2020 or early 2021 I think?

So I met Mariah about two weeks ago on SA. Pretty face but clearly a larger girl. Decided what the heck I need a girl who kisses and BJs like her life depends on it and the rest doesn't matter. I try to get her out on a date but honestly she is scared total SA virgin. I finally get her to agree by saying we absolutely won't go to the room. Most we will do is kissing.

This turns out to be a master stroke because:

1. It gets her to agree to the date.

2. It puts kissing squarely on the menu.

So we had dinner at My favorite place. Honestly it was a nice dinner but not the conversational chemistry of some girls. Still a very nice time. I learn that she's Jordanian, very strict upbringing. And lots of other interesting back story. But as I continue to drink I think yeah we could fuck. So I ask her if she wants to go for a walk and she says sure. A bit of Nanpa here:

1 change venue and isolate.

2 lead the girl. If she says yes you are halfway there.

So we walk down the street a few blocks and back. Halfway back I stop her and go for the kiss. A couple light kisses then full on passion. Best kisser since Valentina last fall. And we kiss against her car. I mean full on tongue tangling bliss. Top notch. And I have her her hooked.

So we have a couple failed follow ups due to logistics but tonight is the night. We managed to get sex on the table during the chatting and agree we will have drinks then hit the Hyatt. She texts me her tits one night. I get the feeling this girl (currently separated) needs to be fucked bad. And man was I right.

We have drinks and some amiable conversation but then head to the room where a bottle of Moscato Champagne awaits. A couple glasses and it's on. The kissing is super passionate. I put her hand on my swelling cock and that lights her fire. She starts undoing my belt. And pushes me onto the bed. You can just tell she is like completely lit w passion. She starts a great BJ.

The clothes are getting in the way so we shed them. She's naked and gets on top me and the kisses continue. Next thing I know she is putting me inside her raw! Doh! I tell her "babe I don't think we can do that" so she backs off but damn she was going to bareback me straight out the gate!

Goes down to BJ and it's very very good. All good shaft work and BLS. I've found that girls that love to kiss love to suck cock too and here it is. You can tell she loves sucking cock.

I maneuver her onto her back and start working her pussy with my hand while I get my cock back in her mouth. She LOVES this. She is a sloppy wet mess. I've grown to love this position did it a lot with Alex kneeling by her head, left hand in pussy, and cock in her mouth. Wow. Really love FIV and being blown at same time.

As we progress thru our sexual encounter it becomes clear (and she later confirms) that she has never:

1. Had her gspot worked.

2. Done 69.

3. Taken a load of cum CIM.

She's 26 and I am not lying. Been with four guys lifetime (who obviously did not know wtf they are doing!) I completely rocked her world! It was a blast.

I can't really describe the passion. It was different and off the charts. Like she needed cock so desperately she'the do anything. And sooooo much deep passionate kissing.

I can't remember the exact order but a few highlights:

She's blowing me and I start pulling her around to 69 and she's like "uh, are you sure? Um ok. " (Didn't know then she'the never done it before). She's got a great pussy and dripping wet so it's lots of fun. You can tell she is worked up and having trouble BJing and being eaten at the same time. It's adorable.

Later I have her on her back and go down on her. My tongue is still sore this morning. No joke. I have FIV on gspot and tongue on clit and she is going nuts. I keep feeling pussy clamps as she builds. Wow. The real deal.

I end up cumming when in mish while kissing deeply. Luv that.

When fucking her the second time. She's managed to get her hand down between us in mish and is working her clit. It's a little distracting but she's having g so much fun I don't mind. She starts softly moaning and saying things in a whisper that I can't quite hear. But I do hear her say "you dick feels sooo good". Aw nice to hear that!

So shortly after that she's pretty spent and I pull out and take off the condom and say I want to finish in your mouth. You can see her hesitate and be like "Ummm ok" and I wonder for a second because it's my most common finish.

So we roll me on my back and and she launches some awesome BBBJ. A little too fast but she slows down when I ask. So I build and start shooting my load in her mouth. Around shot three she gags and nearly barfs on me. But quickly gets it together and puts it back in her mouth for a few more pumps.

She strokes and massages me a bit like she's not quite sure how to proceed with a mouthful of cum. But after a minute or so (longer than necessary) she goes and spits. Later she confesses she's never done CIM before. LOL. Love me a virgin mouth.

So two solid rounds of all the trimmings and it was GREAT. There is just something about being with a girl who needs cock soooo bad and who has never been fucked properly. Passionate kissing, great BJ, great attitude, fun Newbie.

[DramaFree11]

I just want to share this news here. A lot of discussions on the Medellin site over this robbery and murder incident that originated from Tinder.

Be extra careful especially drinking from an unknown source or while your drink is left unattended in bar etc. Drugging and then robbing you is more common than one might think. I personally know someone who was drugged and was completely cleaned out and he was an expat living in Medellin. It could be a lot worse.

Here is the link to the recent news of the Medellin Tinder murder.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z34k7e/colombia-medellin-paul-nguyen-death-tinder

https://nextshark.com/california-man-found-dead-after-tinder-date-in-colombia/Thank you. I will never understand why guys like Colombia so much. Too dangerous and way too many drugs for me. Not to mention, I have zero attraction to Colombian Chicks.

[JuliusGeezer]

How was your experience in CDMX? Did you set your expectations firmly up front with them as in if there is chemistry blah blah blah, we will head back to my place? I'm guessing there might have been some that flaked or do they all fully understand the terms? I'm sure there's some who expect $ for just showing up for a coffee or a dinner, sorry for the questions but noob here which is why I ask.

I've been seeing ganar ganar in a lot of profiles, does that just mean win win or is that code for something else? LOL.Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.

[Steve 9696]

Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.Dude just read back some pages. DramaFree talks all the time about how awesome the SA scene is in CDMX. He claims best in world. He seems a credible guy. Give it a whirl!

And oh if a girl is on seeking she PLANS to be intimate. That’s what everyone is there for. The 5% platonic girls are delusional. U can weed them Out easy.

[ContinentalF]

Would anyone else mind sharing their experience too specifically in CDMX? Most interested in if knowing if sb have been willing to be intimate and am I reading too much into this ganar ganar thing? I know it all varies by person and another user had made a great post about how to message but wanted to hear from others on their experiences, thanks.Ganar ganar literally means I'll fuck you for money. You're happy, I'm happy.

[DramaFree11]

Dude just read back some pages. DramaFree talks all the time about how awesome the SA scene is in CDMX. He claims best in world. He seems a credible guy. Give it a whirl!

And oh if a girl is on seeking she PLANS to be intimate. Thats what everyone is there for. The 5% platonic girls are delusional. U can weed them Out easy.Clarification, SA is awesome in CDMX. I am not sure about the best in the world. Also takes, multiple trips, hard work and a decent budget.

[Steve 9696]

Ganar ganar literally means I'll fuck you for money. You're happy, I'm happy.Makes sense now that you say it out loud. Win win. We use that expression in America also. For sex in exchange for money we use the euphemism "mutually beneficial" but it's nearly the same turn of phrase as ganar ganar.

[Elvis 2008]

This sounds like the usual stereotyping of Argentinians, but there are decades of truth behind it. It's not just the aloofness and attitude of the women. This arrogance and drama is endemic in the entire culture. The business culture is affected by the same delusions. History has moved on and left them with a very bad psyche.
Wyatt, I did not do the sugar baby thing until 2009 and was last in Argentina in 2007. One guy said Peru women max out at a 7, and I agree with that. My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. I did see 10's though in Colombia and Brazil and saw 10's from Paraguay and Venezuela in other countries.

I probably bedded 20 women there, and 18 or so were from Argentina and 2 were from Paraguay. I would have repeated with 2 of the 18 Argentines but both of the women from Paraguay. I really was never selling the sugar baby concept there or in Brazil. What I posted was what I saw prior to knowing the Argentine stereotypes.

Maybe if I had approached with the sugar baby concept, things would have been better, but I will probably never know.

Thing is I learned the most about the Latin stereotypes from this youtube channel called Joanna speaks. Here is one on Argentina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHn9VJuTzA.

Thing is you would think I would disagree with DF about Colombia seeing as how I have hit gold there, but I really do not. In the P4 P world, I was totally disappointed with Colombia. The women did not look as good as Brazil or Argentina and IMO were even more full of themselves than the Argentines and wanted even more money.

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

From a P4P POV though, I found the Vennies in Colombia better looking, better performing, and nicer.

When I sent out PMs to women on seeking, I found the Brazilians friendlier and better looking all in all though than the Argentines. Still, why bother? It is a 10 hour flight to both places compared to 2 with Mexico. The flight costs dwarf what you would pay the women.

Colombia is closer but the flights times to everywhere but Bogota are going to run you 8 hours or pretty much all day. Given it takes 2 days to travel then, it is not realistic for many guys to go there and have a sugar baby. Half the time I have had to meet my woman in Mexico or Central America due to my tight schedule.

If you are in the North, Canada may work out for some guys. And much of Central America is doable from a time perspective but I have not seen much I like in Central America woman wise which leaves Mexico.

Thing is there are many Mexican cities with direct connections from the USA off the beaten path. I never followed up on them but I missed out on some real lookers in the mid sized cities. Thing is even if you do not want to go to their city, it is dirt cheap to fly them to say Mexico City or Cancun.

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.

[NapataJohn]

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.Elvis and what was the compensation for a weekend. Flight + lodging and 1000 USD?

[Pk099]

AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3368-D.-F.-Escorts&p=2760845#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.


Wyatt, I did not do the sugar baby thing until 2009 and was last in Argentina in 2007. One guy said Peru women max out at a 7, and I agree with that. My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. I did see 10's though in Colombia and Brazil and saw 10's from Paraguay and Venezuela in other countries.

I probably bedded 20 women there, and 18 or so were from Argentina and 2 were from Paraguay. I would have repeated with 2 of the 18 Argentines but both of the women from Paraguay. I really was never selling the sugar baby concept there or in Brazil. What I posted was what I saw prior to knowing the Argentine stereotypes.

Maybe if I had approached with the sugar baby concept, things would have been better, but I will probably never know.

Thing is I learned the most about the Latin stereotypes from this youtube channel called Joanna speaks. Here is one on Argentina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsHn9VJuTzA.

Thing is you would think I would disagree with DF about Colombia seeing as how I have hit gold there, but I really do not. In the P4 P world, I was totally disappointed with Colombia. The women did not look as good as Brazil or Argentina and IMO were even more full of themselves than the Argentines and wanted even more money.

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.

From a P4P POV though, I found the Vennies in Colombia better looking, better performing, and nicer.

When I sent out PMs to women on seeking, I found the Brazilians friendlier and better looking all in all though than the Argentines. Still, why bother? It is a 10 hour flight to both places compared to 2 with Mexico. The flight costs dwarf what you would pay the women.

Colombia is closer but the flights times to everywhere but Bogota are going to run you 8 hours or pretty much all day. Given it takes 2 days to travel then, it is not realistic for many guys to go there and have a sugar baby. Half the time I have had to meet my woman in Mexico or Central America due to my tight schedule.

If you are in the North, Canada may work out for some guys. And much of Central America is doable from a time perspective but I have not seen much I like in Central America woman wise which leaves Mexico.

Thing is there are many Mexican cities with direct connections from the USA off the beaten path. I never followed up on them but I missed out on some real lookers in the mid sized cities. Thing is even if you do not want to go to their city, it is dirt cheap to fly them to say Mexico City or Cancun.

And the other thing is that it is super easy for Mexican women to get American tourist visas. I had one that I flew back to my place for a weekend. Fun times.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis and what was the compensation for a weekend. Flight + lodging and 1000 USD?I paid her $300 to $500 for a few days and took her shopping twice. Big thing is that you have to watch out for is the Mann Act. Someone could say you are transporting a woman across country lines for sexual purposes, so you have to make sure she refers to herself as your GF or someone you are dating and it is best if you have GF type activity photos on her and your phone with all you and she did in Mexico. Also, I would have her say that you did not meet on seeking. It might even be better if she could mention the reason for her travel is some other reason than to meet you like she is going to a concert, convention ETC and is just staying with you. And absolutely she should not have anything on her phone with regards to you paying her.

Also, this Mexican gal with me dressed up very provocatively, and she got harassed badly the first time she came into the country. Trump was president then and the border agents acted differently with him as president especially with Mexicans. I think she came three times and she flew though customs the second and third time, but the first time she was very upset and in tears because she was harassed so badly.

The Mann Act is also like drugs in the sense that the government can seize anything involved with the transportation of suspected trafficking. So if you picked her up on the border with a car, they could seize the car without a warrant if trafficking is even just suspected.

My gal was a lawyer, spoke English, and knew better than to say to customs, I am here to fuck a guy for money. Of course, that was not true, but you better be damned sure you screen a woman you are flying across and drill them on what to say and how to look. If she is young, attractive, and traveling alone, she meets the profile for being trafficked.

Other thing you could do is just fly her to a border town like Tijuana or Juarez and have her come across by bus or walk across saying she is going to shop for a few days in the USA and then fly her from San Diego or El Paso to wherever after that. That is probably a lot safer way to go. It is more of a hassle but probably worth it.

And I would not do this with any woman who does not have a job or is on any kind of escort site.

[TedFerguson]

My brother said he had no problem finding an 8 in Argentina but never saw a 10, and I agree with that too. .

I guess the thing is when you find a good woman in Colombia the stereotype for fleecing American men is so strong these women go out of their way not to do it. So from a sugaring perspective, the elite women there are and were great. You just have to weed out the gold diggers which are most of them.My job is fully remote, and I can spend 6 months per year in Brazil without worrying about breaking any laws. The challenge is where to spend the other 6, given that Brazilian women are so amazing.

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?

[NeilGeorge]

Big thing is that you have to watch out for is the Mann Act. Someone could say you are transporting a woman across country lines for sexual purposes,
The Mann Act is also like drugs in the sense that the government can seize anything involved with the transportation of suspected trafficking. The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.

[MiamiBoy1]

My job is fully remote, and I can spend 6 months per year in Brazil without worrying about breaking any laws. The challenge is where to spend the other 6, given that Brazilian women are so amazing.

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?I have always said that the best looking girls in Mexico are not Mexicans, but foreigners. An average Mexican girl is less attractive than average Colombiana or Brasileira. But speaking of higher end market, Mexico got an advantage, because there is money to be made and all the hot girls from other countries flock there to work. CDMX got plenty of model agencies. Rich Mexicans love white Eastern European girls and are willing to pay premium. DF says Mexicans have better personality and are more fun, but I think they are not any better than other central or Latin america girls, it all depends on chemistry and varies case by case.

In Mde it is definitely not easy to get 9's and 10's attention. Simply because the supply of hot girls is limited, while you are competing with a ton of gringos who travel there for pussy. Be persistent, make your Seeking profile stand out, and if it doesn't help, move on. If you speak Spanish you would probably be better off approaching hot women in malls, restaurants, etc. Online game in mde is super tough.

Oh, and wishlist is such a BS, don’t even pay attention

[JuliusGeezer]

AS DF says, I agree that CDMX SA scene is awesome if you find English speaking girl (for those who do not speak Spanish).

If you speak Spanish CDMX is gold mine.

As Elvis said proximity to US is very big factor in CDMX (or any city in Mexico).

For some of us from Texas, 2 HR flight and cheap tickets allow to have bigger budget for multiple quick trips.

Also the quality and availability of Love Hotels only adds more fun to the scene. (I never seen love hotels outside of CDMX, this should be everywhere.

I can not comment on any other LATAM county as never been there.

But definitely have a plan for Columbia and Brazil. Just need time as I will loose 2 whole days in travel.

I wanted to go to Medellin with ElPapi last month but logistics just did not work (ticket price and travel time).

I had 2 trips to Mexico in last 2 months.

In the 1st trip I had 2 SA girls and 3 non-SA pro girls. My experience with SA girls is very good if they speak English.

First SA girl did not speak English and for me it was not fun even though she tried her best and was hot looking.

Second SA girl was a blast, spoke good English, really fun to talk, not hot but beautiful with very nice body, enjoyed sex.

She was with me from 7 pm dinner till 7 am in the morning.

Of course her allowance expectations were 40% more than the first girl. But it was totally worth. (I have FRs in DF section).

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3368-D.-F.-Escorts&p=2760845#post2760845.

In my 2nd CDMX trip, I met 3 SA girls and a 3 some with 2 non-SA, Columbians WG on first night as there were no SA girl available for late night (FRs coming soon).

I met the English speaking SA girl from previous trip and this time it was extension to previous night, just got better.

2 other SA girls I met also spoke English and both girls were lot of fun and all 3 girls showed interest in 3 some, so next trip will be multiple 3 somes.Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.

[Elvis 2008]

I initially wrote off Mexico, because many of the women I've found on SA there aren't attractive. But after a closer look weeding through the noise the last few weeks, I've found a couple which looked decent and perhaps even better, found a number of foreign women in Mexico (Argentinians, Russians, Venezuelans). Mexico looks like a good choice for 3 months.

I've been surprised why the 9+ Colombians on SA aren't responding to me (like none of them). Maybe I'm too young? Maybe I don't blow enough smoke up their asses? Would they be more receptive if I bought them something from their wishlist first? I'm tempted to take another 3 months a year in MDE to find out. I did make contact with a few attractive ones who did not live in Medellin, and the plausible explanation is a high volume of gold diggers where it's hard to find the girls with good personalities. Will try to confirm next year.

Where would you guys spend your time?Ted, I was searching in Colombia mostly during the time of Covid, and the selection was better. I was with my gal and her daughter at a cenote (swimming hole) near Cancun and a bunch of Colombians come in making a lot of noises. Her daughter looked at them with disgust and said, "Paisas (people who live in Medellin), I hate Paisas. " She was born in Bogota and her mother was born in Cartagena and I have never heard them talk about anything in Medellin. Our Colombia critic here, Dramafree, had a miserable time in Medellin after spending 3 months there, and it is over run by gringos. The women I met and liked in Medellin were always from somewhere else.

From my POV, I found the Bogota women (Rollos) more sophisticated and the Costenas (coastal) women to be more attractive with a huge sexual appetite. If you like women with big booties, and I do not, Cali may be the best place on the planet.

Truth is going to Colombia after the travel ban was done, I had like 200 phone numbers. I lined them up and rated the women I wanted to see. Probably 80% of them did not respond once I got there. If I had to do it again, I would not even reach out to anyone until one week before my trip.

If I wanted to get ahold of a real beauty, I would front them cash to show them I was real. I do not recommend this and I only would send $40 (probably do $50 now) via Western Union. I met Miss Cartagena and the best looking woman in Medellin I had ever seen in Colombia but both were really stuck up. Again, I would do this only if you see someone you are totally in lust with and only a week or so in advance. The hottest women are slammed with hundreds of requests of pretenders, and I wanted the women to know I was real and a player.

My initial impression of Colombia was not good but so many guys wrote about it I gave it a second chance. I then read Routard's incredible reports on Colombian women and that is when I thought I had missed something and I used seeking and went deeper. Until then, I had seen the worst of Colombian women: frigid, materialistic, shallow, cocky, average performers. Once I used seeking, I learned to hone in on the women who had social media pages where they showed family and not the parties and bling they wore. Those women, the ones family oriented, were fun, sweet, considerate, upbeat, and for whatever reason horny as fuck. I got the Colombian women Routard was talking about, the ones I had not seen before, but they are a minority of the women on seeking. Still, seeking was the only avenue I had to meet said women and without Covid and all the job layoffs, I do not know even how many of those women I would have met.

With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.

Thing with CDMX is that you can find 10's there too but those women often want a lot dollar wise. I would say whatever you pay in Colombia for a 10, double that for Brazil, and double what you pay in Brazil for CDMX.

[Akibono]

The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.Let's not argue about interpretation. The answer is not black and white. If she has paid sex with another person and gets caught, you may fit the definition for prostitution. The risk is low but there is some.

[Pk099]

Been reading your posts, didn't see much mention of the $ for these SA girls. What would you say? And do you just say that yourself upfront or try to negotiate if they quote? Thanks.Allowance is mostly in the range of 3000 to 6000 MXN, plus taxi and dinner / drinks. (for one night we kept drinking in the pool and that cost me almost 2000 MXN.

I do not negotiate on allowance as it may only save me USD 50.

Not negotiating makes the girls happier and I find the girls more willing to provide better service.

[TedFerguson]

With Colombia then and seeking, I would head to Bogota for sophistication and variety and Barranquilla for looks, but if you are looking for 10's, I am not sure I would bother. Sao Paulo had the most 10's per square inch of any city I have ever been to. Stereotypically, thing about the Brazilian women, and we have guys here who can attest to this, though is they cheat. They are friendly, sexually fantastic, open minded, and fun, but they cheat. If that does not bother you, go for it. FWIW, the really good ones in Colombia and Mexico do not have that reputation.I spent about 2 months in Medellin last year, followed by 3 weeks in Bogota. Medellin seems to be a land of cheap 7's (maybe 8's if we're being generous) and I agree the attitude of many of the more attractive girls was atrocious. It was also my experience that my favorites were not from Medellin. Rollos were more sophisticated and better conversationalists, but I didn't meet one who was decent in bed. I actually stopped in the middle of having sex in 3 separate occasions because it was so disappointing. On a positive note, I discovered Viagra which shouldn't be necessary for a healthy man in his 30's.

I didn't really consider the coast until you mentioned it, but looking on Seeking there are solid options in Cartagena. Barranquilla and Cartagena together have a metro area size to Medellin, and maybe less overrun by tourists. Cartagena seems better from a Seeking perspective, but they're close so can probably experience both with a short car ride. Interestingly, the apartments appear to be much better constructed than in Medellin, which was one thing I disliked there (the noise in the apartment), and there appear to be acceptable food options too.

For Mexico, I've found some decent SA options in CDMX and hoping to develop some in Cancun. I don't need a 10, rather would be happy with a reliable 8 or 9. Unfortunately many of the girls in Cancun appear to be Argentinian and my current bias is to avoid the rather mercenary behavior I've experienced in Buenos Aires. As you suggest, Cancun seems best with a Colombian partner and even better if you can fly in one of her friends / family members so she doesn't get bored. Thanks a bunch for helping me think this through.

[Steve 9696]

Great conversation guys. And I like the South American chat we've fallen into. I will return soon and looking forward to it! And will experience the famed CDMX girls scene for the first time.

On Brasileiras I will only add that I don't think they "cheat" or think of it that way. They are so much more open to sex and multiple partners and that's one of the reasons they are so great. Two of the boate girls that I spent time with literally got engaged a month after fucking me. Do I think they stopped fucking after they got married? Unlikely. It's in their DNA and upbringing to share the love. More power to them.

Reminds me when I found the famous Thifany (who I flew to London) was engaged and I wished her best wishes (and implied goodbye) . She said "why should anything be different between us. He knows what I do from time to time and he does the same. Plus he also likes men. " Hahaha. Brasileiras are one of a kind!

[JuliusGeezer]

Anyone run into a fake that had a verified profile? I'm wondering if it's possible, a girl I spoke to said she had to submit additional photos and an ID to get verified, she is legit I know that much and open to video call. But wondering if anyone had such an experience because some of these verified profiles sure seem sketchy to me even when taking the convo offline.

[Elvis 2008]

The Mann Act requires, "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense" Having personal sex with a consenting female is normally not a crime. Unless she is a minor or you pimp her out.

You are off base, my friend.Neil, look at this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act

In 1913, Farley Caminetti and Maury I. Diggs took their mistresses from Sacramento, California to Reno, Nevada. Their wives informed the police, and both men were arrested in Reno. Caminetti v. United States expanded Mann Act prosecutions from prostitution to non-commercial extramarital sex. Caminetti was fond guilty at trial.

In its original form the act made it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". With the 1986 amendments, the Mann Act outlaws interstate or foreign transport of "any person" for purposes of "any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense. " Prior to the Supreme Court ruling in Lawrence v. Texas (2003), sodomy was illegal in many states which left open the possibility of prosecution under the Mann Act of consenting adult couples, especially gay couples, though there is no record of such enforcement actions.

In, Holte v. United States, The Court ruled that it is not impossible for a victim of the Act to be charged with conspiracy under specific circumstances.

And Neil, I want to repeat something I said. The Feds can charge an object like cash or a car with a crime without a warrant.

DEA Steals $16,000 In Cash From Young Black Man, Because he Must Be A Drug Dealer.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dea-asset-forfeiture-joseph-rivers_n_7231744?utm_hp_ref=tw

https://www.techdirt.com/2015/05/11/dea-takes-16000-train-passenger-because-it-can/

When the Feds give something high priority, and human trafficking is a very high priority, they shoot and ask questions later. And you do not want a legal battle with the Feds because IMO they will find something. I think the Feds could scare a seeking girl into saying just about anything.

And this was not my only about with presumed trafficking. Five times, I bought tickets for women from Colombia / Peru to Mexico over the years. Three times, the women were hassled. Two were denied entry to Mexico. The worst was a Colombian put in a form of jail in the Mexico City airport where she got many of her personal items stolen. It was in her words the most horrible and frightening experience of her life.

We are all grown men here who are going to do what we feel legally comfortable with and I am not going to presume to have the answers about what is allowed and what is not because it can vary region to region.

However, I strongly disagree with the notion that if you fly a woman you met on seeking to the USA from a foreign land, it is risk free. I posted it what I did for guys to make an informed decision about that risk and to minimize said risk. If you feel it is risk free, then go for it. And let's just leave it at that.

[Elvis 2008]

I didn't really consider the coast until you mentioned it, but looking on Seeking there are solid options in Cartagena. Barranquilla and Cartagena together have a metro area size to Medellin, and maybe less overrun by tourists. Cartagena seems better from a Seeking perspective, but they're close so can probably experience both with a short car ride. Interestingly, the apartments appear to be much better constructed than in Medellin, which was one thing I disliked there (the noise in the apartment), and there appear to be acceptable food options too.If you try it, I would be curious to know how it goes. The hotels in Barranquilla were 1/3 the price of Cartagena and the women expected much less. I saw a number of 10's just hanging in a hotel lobby in Barranquilla but it is a boring city that tourists typically do not go to. Cartagena has much more to do, and I have an apartment there. I have not seen many beauties there but I was eating at a Crepes and Waffles in the Caribe Plaza mall. The women were dressed in the corporate getups but I noticed that one of the black waitresses had a thin hot body and not with the classic huge booty but a thin one. And I then counted four more like her. One guy here did something smart and had a female friend ask women like these waitresses if they wanted to hang out and for how much. I could see someone cleaning up on this.

There may still be a black or really caramel girl on seeking who goes by Mia in Barranquilla. She is very hot, a great kisser, and when in doggie, slams her butt into your junior with unreal speed. This is how Ginger Lynn in the porno world used to do it. One night, she brought out her hot GF and offered up a 3 some but I was spent. Of course, in hindsight, I am kicking myself for declining it.


For Mexico, I've found some decent SA options in CDMX and hoping to develop some in Cancun. I don't need a 10, rather would be happy with a reliable 8 or 9. Unfortunately many of the girls in Cancun appear to be Argentinian and my current bias is to avoid the rather mercenary behavior I've experienced in Buenos Aires. As you suggest, Cancun seems best with a Colombian partner and even better if you can fly in one of her friends / family members so she doesn't get bored.The women who live in Cancun want USA rates. It is best to fly in Mexican women from CDMX or other Mexican city if you want to play in Cancun so you do not have to deal with customs. If the gal you want to fly in from Colombia is not an experienced travel, and you may want to do this even if she is, I recommend you fly to Colombia and go with her the first time. The Mexicans want people who are going to spend money so if your gal is solo and from Colombia, she better have at least $400 in cash and a hotel reservation. Otherwise, they are going to assume she is a WG and deny her entry.

[Steve 9696]

Anyone run into a fake that had a verified profile? I'm wondering if it's possible, a girl I spoke to said she had to submit additional photos and an ID to get verified, she is legit I know that much and open to video call. But wondering if anyone had such an experience because some of these verified profiles sure seem sketchy to me even when taking the convo offline.Verified means nothing. I ignore it. I guess it means they are a real person and not a guy in his moms basement. But it doesn't mean they won't try to scam you out of $50 or ghost you at meetup or other sins. Just ignore it. It doesn't add value.

[Ggekko2009]

Anyone knows the ppm price range for SB in Manila?

[TedFerguson]

If the gal you want to fly in from Colombia is not an experienced travel, and you may want to do this even if she is, I recommend you fly to Colombia and go with her the first time. The Mexicans want people who are going to spend money so if your gal is solo and from Colombia, she better have at least $400 in cash and a hotel reservation. Otherwise, they are going to assume she is a WG and deny her entry.Great point about bringing a Colombian girl to Mexico alone, I'll make sure to remember that when vacationing with my future Colombian SB.

I'm thinking of 2 weeks in the Cartagena area mid-December to check it out. If I like it, I can base myself in Panama to ensure no issues with income taxation and take frequent trips to Colombia. Panama City seems to be reasonably developed, comfortable and well connected to Colombia proper (as well as other airports). The offerings on Seeking appear to be acceptable, mostly WG types, which I hope to confirm after Cartagena. If other folks have experiences there, I'the be curious.

Since I've made a few contacts in CDMX, I'll give it a week just to try it out since everyone's been raving about it and I've found maybe 2-3 solid 8's there in the last few weeks. And of course to try out the food.

[DramaFree11]

Great point about bringing a Colombian girl to Mexico alone, I'll make sure to remember that when vacationing with my future Colombian SB.

I'm thinking of 2 weeks in the Cartagena area mid-December to check it out. If I like it, I can base myself in Panama to ensure no issues with income taxation and take frequent trips to Colombia. Panama City seems to be reasonably developed, comfortable and well connected to Colombia proper (as well as other airports). The offerings on Seeking appear to be acceptable, mostly WG types, which I hope to confirm after Cartagena. If other folks have experiences there, I'the be curious.

Since I've made a few contacts in CDMX, I'll give it a week just to try it out since everyone's been raving about it and I've found maybe 2-3 solid 8's there in the last few weeks. And of course to try out the food.As much as I try and avoid Colombian Chicks, occasionally a one slips by my extensive screening process. There are a lot Colombian chicks in.

CDMX, so why take sand to the beach.

[MiamiBoy1]

CDMX, so why take sand to the beach.Exactly.

Either fly CDMX SB to Cancun, or Bogota / Medellin SB to Cartagena / Santa Marta. Domestic flights in both countries are dirt cheap and there will be no issues with immigration, plus you will not be paying outrages Cancun or Cartagena rates, both cities are major tourist destinations.

Flying Colombian girl to CDMX makes zero sense to me, unless she is your real GF.

[Ggekko2009]

My initial impression of Seeking experience in Manila had been a big disappointment. From what I see, most of the photos that you get from their profiles are either heavily touched up or they simply had too much Jollibees (their equivalent of McD) over the years. In another word, fat and worse ugly. Anyway not much to report about yet, but my buddy who is currently with me here experienced huge disappointment. I felt bad since I have touted so much of my good experience of using SA in Colombia. So an advice, do a video chat with them before even getting them to come over to see you.

A few pricing intel for the Manila market.

Most SBs would ask for no less than 10 K ppm, but the higher end would only accept for 15 K and above. I had some who are willing to accept 8 K but not for overnight stay but those are usually not as "good" looking. But then again, take those photos on the site with a grain of salt. This seemed to be a prevalent problem at least for Manila. Or maybe I just have a shift in my taste of women these days.

[Goferring]

My initial impression of Seeking experience in Manila had been a big disappointment....For 10 K+ in Manila, I would be on IG. A much wider market and plenty of seriously good looking girls with <10 k subs. "Fame" affects price but there seems to be less simps sending "gifts" with no expectation to meet or reciprocation.

Cheers. G.

[EuropeanDmv75]

I believe that there are definitely a lot of selection and nice girls in Mexico City but once in a while you will run into some scammers. This has been mentioned before but it does not hurt to reiterate that never believe these sad stories from girls. As an example, I was doing some ground work and start chatting with this girl.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1946d870-a776-4ed1-9812-039a9a5ce893

She seemed decent enough and we seemed to have a good connection. And then out of the blue she mentioned that her rent was due and asked me for 2. 5 K and that she would be wiling to do anything I wanted. I told her that was not a problem. I can easily give her the 2. 5 K and that I was free to meet. Then she said she was at school now so she could not meet but that as soon as her classes were over, she would meet with me. I told her I never sent money without meeting. Then she said if I could at least send her 1 K. I offered to send her 1 K but that I wanted to have a video call and to see her INE (ID). It turns out that the "Internet" was very unstable at school so she could not video call. Anyway, you see where this is going.

I did not have any intention to send her money but wanted to see how far she would try. But please, NEVER, NEVER send money. Even if for you it is not a lot of money, 98% of times you are just getting scammed.

Good luck and be safe and smart. Enjoy all the Seeking has to offer in Mexico City!

[The Cane]

I believe that there are definitely a lot of selection and nice girls in Mexico City but once in a while you will run into some scammers. This has been mentioned before but it does not hurt to reiterate that never believe these sad stories from girls. As an example, I was doing some ground work and start chatting with this girl.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1946d870-a776-4ed1-9812-039a9a5ce893

She seemed decent enough and we seemed to have a good connection. And then out of the blue she mentioned that her rent was due and asked me for 2. 5 K and that she would be wiling to do anything I wanted. I told her that was not a problem. I can easily give her the 2. 5 K and that I was free to meet. Then she said she was at school now so she could not meet but that as soon as her classes were over, she would meet with me. I told her I never sent money without meeting. Then she said if I could at least send her 1 K. I offered to send her 1 K but that I wanted to have a video call and to see her INE (ID). It turns out that the "Internet" was very unstable at school so she could not video call. Anyway, you see where this is going.

I did not have any intention to send her money but wanted to see how far she would try. But please, NEVER, NEVER send money. Even if for you it is not a lot of money, 98% of times you are just getting scammed.

Good luck and be safe and smart. Enjoy all the Seeking has to offer in Mexico City!I got to the point where I liked to fuck with the scammers. Play along with their bullshit to see just how far they will try to take it. "Oh, that's all I have to do to set up my wallet so that I can trade in bitcoin"? Haha! Then at some point out of the blue after they think they've been reeling me in I would say something like, "You understand I know you're full of shit right? So fuck off"! LOLOLOL! End of conversation.

[Ggekko2009]

I believe that there are definitely a lot of selection and nice girls in Mexico City but once in a while you will run into some scammers. This has been mentioned before but it does not hurt to reiterate that never believe these sad stories from girls. As an example, I was doing some ground work and start chatting with this girl.

https://members.seeking.com/member/1946d870-a776-4ed1-9812-039a9a5ce893

She seemed decent enough and we seemed to have a good connection. And then out of the blue she mentioned that her rent was due and asked me for 2. 5 K and that she would be wiling to do anything I wanted. I told her that was not a problem. I can easily give her the 2. 5 K and that I was free to meet. Then she said she was at school now so she could not meet but that as soon as her classes were over, she would meet with me. I told her I never sent money without meeting. Then she said if I could at least send her 1 K. I offered to send her 1 K but that I wanted to have a video call and to see her INE (ID). It turns out that the "Internet" was very unstable at school so she could not video call. Anyway, you see where this is going.

I did not have any intention to send her money but wanted to see how far she would try. But please, NEVER, NEVER send money. Even if for you it is not a lot of money, 98% of times you are just getting scammed.

Good luck and be safe and smart. Enjoy all the Seeking has to offer in Mexico City!Yeah, standard MO from scammer. First they make a connection and sometimes they don't even use their real pictures and hijack other girl's IG profiles. Then they claimed problem with cash flows and ask for help with promise of returning the money borrowed. Then they disappear knowing you are the sucker. Anyway, I have just exactly one such girl that is stringing me along, and I am just playing along. I would only say I would help only upon meeting her in person. After that, the communication stopped.

[AmericanPi]

I got to the point where I liked to fuck with the scammers. Play along with their bullshit to see just how far they will try to take it. "Oh, that's all I have to do to set up my wallet so that I can trade in bitcoin"? Haha! Then at some point out of the blue after they think they've been reeling me in I would say something like, "You understand I know you're full of shit right? So fuck off"! LOLOLOL! End of conversation.As a practical matter I always try to end things gracefully with the other side. Even a suspected scammer. Because it's too easy for them to "report you" for some malfeasance out other and get you suspended. Just not worth it.

[Jbj64]

Hi hoping someone could give me advice or previous experience using sa in Buenos Aires what they paid for an engagement or an overnight date yeah.

[The Cane]

As a practical matter I always try to end things gracefully with the other side. Even a suspected scammer. Because it's too easy for them to "report you" for some malfeasance out other and get you suspended. Just not worth it.I never did it on the site itself. I'm smarter than that. No, it was usually by text after moving off of the site, where these cheats prefer to operate, so no chance of any repercussions from being "reported" by them and suspended for something I did on the site (what are they going to do? Say I went off on them for calling out their bullshit schemes). No, to the contrary! What I would actually do is go and report them, and they sir are the ones who got kicked off of the site. I would even cut and paste stuff they wrote by text into messages on the site as proof of what they were doing. The evidence was in my the complainant's favor. Know how to fight back. And then do it! So to the contrary, it's well worth it to get them kicked off versus just turning the other cheek and taking it! I made so many reports on people outright and upfront asking for handout money, running scams, or otherwise using SA for commercial purposes. And poof their fake accounts would vanish! Maybe they found ways to come right back, but at least during my short tenure I put up my part of the fight. No, it was well worth it to turn the tables and fuck with a scammer if you know how to do it right. And get them booted off, which I did. Plenty of them! I know in the end it was a losing battle because the bullshit is plentiful, thick and deep on SA (why I quit it), but it sure felt good taking the scammers on and scoring some wins while it lasted LOL!

[Steve 9696]

Hi hoping someone could give me advice or previous experience using sa in Buenos Aires what they paid for an engagement or an overnight date yeah.Just read back a few pages here. This was just discussed recently.

[The Cane]

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?

[Ggekko2009]

I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.

[TedFerguson]

Tl; dr Not worth it. Flying out to Colombia.

While the optics on the girls here are decent (lots of 8's), the overall experiences have been unsatisfying. There's a peculiar feeling of irritation, disappointment and stress in the culture here. Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

Snazzy dressers, intelligent and more punctual than most Latin girls yes. But I'd prefer reading a book while waiting for a Colombiana than see one of these chicks. I was wondering why I didn't see any Argentines in my time in Spain and I think this experience answers the question. I messaged one (likely Argentine) girl in Cancun asking where she's from and she literally responded "Die". BTW, tons of pro type girls from Argentina in Cancun. And then it dawned on me. They're the Russians of LatAm. Pissed off attitude, superficially nice. Except they don't look as good as the Russians or other Eastern Europeans.

Some specific examples:

- First timer on the site. Unreal body, acceptable face. I was the first foreigner she met (she's never been outside Argentina). Super bitchy over WhatsApp. In person we had a pleasant conversation to start, then she downed one drink, smoked a joint, downed another drink and then another joint (all in 1 hour). Proceeded to lay down and practice for the Oscars before announcing she had to meet a friend for dinner. This to her was a successful meeting, as she texted me the day after and a week after that. Nope.

- Girl who's aunt died. Worked as a "dancer" in Spain and the US. Lives 1 hour outside the city. Messages me that she'll be an hour late but is only coming to the city to see me. Then she says she has to drop off clothes to sell with a friend on the way. Ends up being about 1. 5 h late (but at least announces it). Overall good conversation and good in the bedroom. We make plans for the next week. She cancels due to period, then says she might be able to come, then cancels. But makes plan for the next day (which she then cancels again). I end up seeing her eventually and she's too high to find my apartment.

- Girl who isn't comfortable going to an Airbnb. Cancelled 2 x beforehand, second time due to family issue with appeared legit. Decides to mention she's only comfortable meeting at a hotel a few hours before the 3rd meeting (which of course, was cancelled). I ended up offering to meet her socially and pay for her Uber (nope). Then I offered to give her a gift for just talking, which she happily agreed to, before I realized how stupid that was and that she was just an 8 with a dysfunctional life. I asked her why this hotel requirement was only a thing here, and if people are that bad here. Her answer was yes.

- Girl who spent a bunch of time in Cancun with other Argentines. Good communication up to the meeting, polite. Pictures aren't heavily edited upon seeing her in person. But not comfortable meeting outside the apartment because "she doesn't go out with just anyone". For the record, I'm in my 30's, fit and decent looking. We start with a nice conversation which goes on to the theme of her wanting a French bulldog. She then proceeds to spend the next hour talking on WhatsApp with people selling French bulldogs. I shit you not. We were talking about which one she liked most and what her favorite dog names were.

- Working girl 8 who was decent. One positive result of the interaction is she mentioned Seeking has a lot of weirdos here. Maybe that explains the preconceptions.

None of the girls above looked like they had spent any time at the gym recently, and the excess fat from the poor diet shows. While the asses are big, they're just fat asses. Brazil spoils one in this respect. As was said earlier, lots of 8's, but no higher. Also, more blondes than I like.

The food was also crap. Fruits and vegetables are flavorless unless you go out of your way to shop for organic produce because people here are too cheap to pay for quality. Delivery services often stopped working due to low pay because people are too cheap to pay them to deliver.

Criticism aside, I did have a solid 8 who I saw weekly throughout my time here. She was never more than 15 minutes late and usually left me satisfied. And in the last week I met a smart, young girl from Mendoza who didn't have the agitation of the BsAs girls which suggests the emotional issues are worse in BsAs. Both of these girls however had a palpable negativity.

One positive thing about visiting here. You'll save a lot of money with the economic issues in the country and all the cancellations from the girls. If you do come, stay at a hotel and make sure you get your pesos at a larger western union branch because small ones don't do big withdrawals. And be prepared to put up with a mountain of shit from all the dysfunction in this country.

[The Cane]

While the optics on the girls here are decent (lots of 8's), the overall experiences have been unsatisfying. There's a peculiar feeling of irritation, disappointment and stress in the culture here. Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.

Snazzy dressers, intelligent and more punctual than most Latin girls yes. But I'd prefer reading a book while waiting for a Colombiana than see one of these chicks. I was wondering why I didn't see any Argentines in my time in Spain and I think this experience answers the question. I messaged one (likely Argentine) girl in Cancun asking where she's from and she literally responded "Die". BTW, tons of pro type girls from Argentina in Cancun. And then it dawned on me. They're the Russians of LatAm. Pissed off attitude, superficially nice. Except they don't look as good as the Russians or other Eastern Europeans.I understand what you experienced and can empathize. Venezolanas used to demonstrate a lot of that same "tude" as well. Not anymore after they and their entire country have had their "economic asses" handed to them. Not so arrogant anymore!

[MiamiBoy1]

Tl; dr Not worth it. Flying out to Colombia. Great report, Ted! Thanks! What are the asking rates or the rates that you paid?

[Steve 9696]

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.

[The Cane]

I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.Well now that I think about it, with the one smashing success I had, she was getting slammed by contacts and was almost ready to quit the site. She didn't favorite me until after we started talking. Hmmm. Just thinking of strategies for how to make it better if and when I decide to try it again. I mean some tactics are easy. If a girl tries to tell me she's from my town, but I can see that the last time "she" was on she was coming from Morocco (and she's too stupid to use the site tools to hide her location), then that's an automatic block. I guess I'm trying to come up with a set of rules I feel confident with in order to decide relatively quickly who should be blocked immediately without question. Blocking somebody who favorited me without even looking at my profile seems to be a good one. Was just wondering if you had seen that, and how you handled. You have a lot of experience with SA, and I always appreciate your input and perspectives on it.

[Elvis 2008]

Nearly all of the girls I met had this expectation that I would be some kind of weirdo sexual predator and upon seeing that wasn't the case, immediately switched into "how can I milk this situation to my maximum benefit" mode. There's a lack of anything but superficial warmth that makes Buenos Aires unsuitable for my idea of sugar dating relationship. However, if you're comfortable treating these girls with fake politeness masking the same mercenary behavior they exhibit, you might be happy here.LOL. Good one, Ted. I wonder if you would have had better luck with some of the Paraguayans in BA.

I felt like Venezuelans had much the same attitude. Here you had two countries that were previously rich and then became poor through political management, and there was this like no negative attitude towards stealing / scamming. Thing is unlike Venezuela, Argentina has one of the greatest oil finds in the world AND great agricultural land. They should be rolling in dough but you just know that somehow the country will stay poor while some president puts billions away in some Swiss bank account just like Chavez did.

For what it is worth, I did not find that attitude in Peru or Paraguay. The best looking Paraguayans I saw were in Bolivia, and I heard a lot moved to Chile. I doubt Chile has that scammer attitude of Argentina / Venezuela though I have not been there.

The two great civilizations of Latin America were in Mexico and Peru, and the Peruvian women like the Mexican ones are great in the world of art and in the kitchen. And while they do typically max out at a 7 looks wise, I remember having one who was an 8 in a massage parlor there and a 9 in a strip club. They could have been Colombian women. I did not ask.

Still, you are not going to have that degree of fuckery in Peru. The women in Peru are sweet, very sexual, and talented. They just do not look that good. LOL. Mr. Enternational famously does not really pay much heed to looks and that is why Peru may be his favorite country. The only other caveat is that prices on hotels and food in Peru are more in line with the USA than Mexico or Colombia.

So Ted, if you are willing to sacrifice a little looks wise, Lima, Peru is an interesting place. Thing is the temperature is moderate but there is a lot of fog and not much sun.

I had a Paraguayan SB in the USA whose pic is below and besides her near perfect figure, she was horny as fuck. Santa Cruz, Bolivia has about the same climate as Medellin, but the people in Bolivia are much nicer. There are a few strip clubs there and there were several Paraguyan women I met with figures similar to my sugar baby.

So I go to a strip club and find one with a figure like this and pull her to my place for a few hours. We are in the cab, and I usually can get a feel for a woman by how horny she is in the cab. Well, this gal grabs me by the neck launches her tongue down my throat and with the other hand grabs my hand and forces me to play with her pussy.

We go at it twice in two hours in my hotel and I am beat. I can still remember that tight, tight ass and her screaming while I grabbed her hair and banged her from behind. I missed the read on this on though. She would have stayed and fucked me all day long had I invited her to, and I could have had her bare. Oh well.

The nicest hotel was actually a condo complex called Buganvillas. One of the things I noticed in Colombia with sugar baby prospects is how much more willing they are to hang out if you have a nice hotel. My favorite was the Marriott in Bogota with its great restaurants, indoor pool, great gym, and nice bar. Buganvillas was like that. The gal would have stayed just for the pool and bar.

And the food is fantastic. You can grow anything in Santa Cruz, and the steak I had there was the best I have had in all of South America.

If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.

[Voodoo Jones]

Steve,

What is your view on "women" favoriting your profile without ever having looked at it a single time (I say "women" because you never know, especially unless and until you meet or do a virtual Zoom session or something)? I mean, ordinarily the site will tell you if and when somebody looked at your profile, and the last time when they did so. Sure sign of a fake or no? A red flag at least?I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.

[CarloRogue]

I would probably say my seeking experience in both Manila and Angeles were both duds. So, I would not recommend using it in Philippines.

Manila: The girls are demanding too much in relation to where the values are. Most are asking for 10 to 15 K. Approx USD 200 to USD 300. Thanks but not thanks for this amount in this city. Maybe in European cities but not here. Plus you will never know what you are getting, kind of like a box of chocolates per Gump. If anything, verify your goods with a videochat, always.

Angeles: The pool in itself is small and given the alternatives of large pool of bar girls, it is not even worth the time to look up for one in this city. Bar fine a few girls from the selection of bars and bring them to the Aqua club, and you would suddenly have a pool party atmosphere.For a counterpoint, I did quite well with SA in the Philippines. As anywhere else, if you only pursue the 9's and 10's (and there are some stunners on there), you have to be aware that they already know their worth and are pursued accordingly. I met several sweet young ladies there, more of the GND type, but they can be just as fun (sometimes more so) and usually more down to earth. Now I also can't resist taking a few shots at the dime-pieces, but I keep my expectations low (I did, and minimized the time wasted).

[The Cane]

I may be wrong, but it doesn't count as a profile view if the person doesn't actually go to the full page profile. They can still browse your pics in preview mode (when your profile is like a pop up on top of the browsing page). I don't show my face, but my main pic is me standing in front of a famous monument and I've gotten favorites without them viewing my profile.But I don't have a public picture. Making it all the more reason why I feel I should ignore anyone who favorites me without even looking at my full profile. They're just "speed favoriting" trying to suck in and scam a sucker.

[Voodoo Jones]

So this one Medellin woman favorited me and I messaged her. She asked "what are you willing to offer?" and because I know never to discuss money on the site, I gave her my normal response of "mutual benefits and let's meet to see if we like each other". Now I probably messed up my usual wording because she assumed I just wanted to have a dinner date without going back to my hotel. Again, I watch what I say so I don't get banned and my usual responses have worked. They know what I really mean and we talk specifics after I get her number. But this one had the audacity to ask for 200 K just for dinner to "make sure it's worth her time".

The fact that she listed an amount on the site gives me another reason to not even reply. I could ask for her number and try to clear things up, but she's already fucked things up.

Otherwise, things are going well on the site and I'm getting more results than in Bogota. I only met up with 3 Seeking women in Bogota (didn't want to over schedule, which I now know was a mistake), but they were all great experiences. One of them I saw 6 different days over 2 trips and we still text time to time.

[TedFerguson]

If Colombia does not work out for you, Ted, and I hope it does, then I would do Santa Cruz next and Lima after that. Sad to say, but the fuckery in Colombia is only a shade below Argentina but you will not find it in Peru or Bolivia.Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.

[DramaFree11]

Unfortunately, I have high standards for optics so I'm willing to pay more or put up with more bullshit to meet them. Out of all the pics posted to this forum, only yours pique my interest.

My current thinking is that if Colombia doesn't work out, then my next step is a quick stop in San Jose CR (closer to my preferred timezone but probably too small), and then finally CDMX where I suspect that while the hot women will be much more expensive, at least they'll behave in a civilized way and there'll be enough selection that I don't get bored.

I'm in Cartagena now and the pickings on SA are slim. Medellin seems much better and I've made a number of contacts there, but those appear to be at best acceptable as opposed to exceptional. I hope that by focusing on age 25+ girls this time around they'll be more mature, punctual and communicative than the early 20's kids I experienced in my last trip there.Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.

I am on the plane as we speak, leaving MTY on the way to CDMX.

[AmericanPi]

I completely ignore all favorites. Any girl worth her salt is getting assaulted by tons of guys and has no time to browse for partners. And if she did she would surely not choose you. Or me. LOL. Yes. Ignore all. For sure.Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).

Girls that favorite me I assume are garbage because hot girls have plenty of options on the site. Too many to respond to.

I also learned that girls who don't pay can respond to messages but they just can't initiate. So girls who message you first are honestly probably scammers or pros.

[Voodoo Jones]

Agreed. I have lately taking to asking girls on the first date what it's like on the other side of the app.

Apparently they are inundated with guys messages. I ask how they filter and they filter out guys who do simple messages like what's up, and also guys who show indications they won't pony up (I go for hot girls).All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."

[AmericanPi]

All my opening messages are "hola, como estas" and nearly all of them respond. This is like when women on Tinder complain that men's first message is "hey" but then on Bumble (where women message first), they open every conversation with "hey."Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?

[Steve 9696]

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore. I try to really establish a BF GF vibe. And when it succeeds, man does it deliver. And can last. I've got girls in 8 different cities that I can just drop in on and we will pick up like old lovers. So target rich In fact that next week I'm bringing sand to the beach. LOL.

As I think about it I guess I don’t view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but I’d say I am in some sort of “relationship” with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. I’ve given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (don’t make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. It’s a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.

[Voodoo Jones]

Totally fair point.

That's kinda like saying I like girls who are interesting and sensual and feminine and all of that. But it's BS. I'm looking for a cute face and hot body and no level of written perfection in a girls profile will supersede whether I'the bang her right now.

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.


As I think about it I guess I dont view SA as transactional when u get it right. It may sound weird but Id say I am in some sort of relationship with 3 of the 8 and care about the other 5 in some relatively deep way. Ive given branding and e-commerce advice to two of them. Loaned money (and paid back!) twice to one (dont make a habit) and given more boyfriend/ family advice than I probsbly should. Its a really personal and satisfying part of my life to know these girls and their lives.This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.

[The Cane]

You're probably right. Girls prob spend 2 seconds looking at our profile and deciding whether they like the look, height, age, etc and then respond. Why would I assume they're any less superficial than I am?I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men. [Deleted by Admin]

[DramaFree11]

I do agree with your points about showing them you can pony up and looking better than the average guy on the site. This go around my main picture is of me at a famous location with my back towards the camera. I used this last time too, but it wasn't my main one and it's definitely giving me better results. My other public picture is a closer shot of my body (face still obscured) to show I'm in shape and not just another fat gringo.

This is why I'm back on Seeking: you can find a wider range of women. Of course, you'll find some of the same girls on other sites and pros, but you'll also find normal women with normal jobs. I made an unexpected trip back to Bogota a month after my first visit so I could repeat with some of the women I met. I still text with one and will meet up with her again next year. I paid her nothing when we last saw each other for an entire weekend. I covered the cost of the AirBnB and our daily expenses, but that's to be expected if she's spending 3 days with you.We are searching for the Diamond in the rough! They are out there, it takes time, hard work, a decent budget and some game.

[TedFerguson]

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.

I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet. This girl was Mexican. Alongside her, I met a couple Argentines with their normal predatory behavior, one more Mexican 8, and one Venezuelan who stopped responding to my messages after I asked for her social media. Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.

[LshRoomer]

I guess I look at it differently. I mean they are looking for $$ more than looks but they want someone they won't dread spending time with and vice versa. My experience is if we don't vibe and really chat and "get along" on text then it's not going to work for a date. Girls who just respond with Hey. Yes. No. Ok sounds good. To me these are non starters. Maybe some of these girls would be ok to fuck but dinner would be a real chore.It's an art. If you want a pro sort of experience, you can quickly find a girl on SA that gives you her whatsapp without even looking at your profile. I ignore those girls. When you find that the girl mentions something in your profile, I found that in those cases they are usually hooked. They have found something that piques their interest and it kinda straddles that nice line where they like your look and you seem like a person they would be interested in chilling with.

I have Lili in Madrid that I hit up whenever I'm in town and last time I was there, she told me that I'm the only person that she still talks to from SA. Now, that may not be the truth, but it was unsolicited. Even still, we have great times together, her english is perfect (english teacher) and it's always 200-250 whenever we link up. There's also light conversation during the time between trips. The point is that I am bonus cash that comes around once in a while, but it's a win for her too because she really likes the sex (this was the girl that laid paralyzed on the bed after some rough doggy and the only word she could muster between breaths was "Wow" LOL) and appears to genuinely like to hang out. She also brings me into her life, explaining how she intends to use the money that I'm helping her out with. THese are the types of arrangements that I favor; one where both people are invested. I guess I would describe it as the nether regions of transaction where the influence of humanity blurs the simplistic trade rules of sex for money and money for sex. LOL.

Then there is Maria in Madrid. That's a totally different specimen of complexity and at this point, no cash has been traded and physically she can't get enough. I think I'm starting to see that the medium of exchange is not cash with her; It's more of an exchange of emotional capital.

The gems are out there and a gem for one guy will be coal for another (assuming you are not a coal miner), as personality plays a big part. SBs often write that they want a guy that knows what he wants. When you have experience finding what you want, it becomes easy to dismiss some, while investing in others. I usually avoid most girls that don't speak enough english to converse without a translator. Maria doesn't speak english, but there was something that made me give her a chance. I later (much later) found that she speaks romanian but grew up in Spain, so now we sit there for hours with broken romanian / spanish / english and comms are easy. Find those gems!

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[DramaFree11]

My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here. I see the cheapness as a con, where you trade time for lowered prices. But maybe the right way to do things is to try both. After a week in Cartagena, I'm heading to Medellin for 2 where I will put more effort into girls around 25, and offer more sugar in exchange. Then go to CDMX for 2 weeks afterwards.

SA is pretty dead in Cartagena. I met one girl who said she was 25, but was really 20. Model, stuck up attitude, on her phone a lot and yet when the clothes came off soft body and bad implants. Another girl said she was 27 but really was 29, came from Barranquilla. Overall a good experience but hard to have a decent conversation as most of what I was talking about seemed to go over her head. Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy..I will be interested to hear your take on MDE, but judging from your report, I doubt you will like it. You will run into the same issues you were having in Cartagena, but it will probably be much worse. Good luck.

[LshRoomer]

For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

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[AmericanPi]

Agree this is not the right place for this, but you started it.

FKK is something everybody should try once. It's a mind f. Like you can't wrap your head around it. The ones in Frankfurt are known to be among the best all that there's not much to do in Frankfurt otherwise. I did a few layovers there. You literally walk around with a robe or towel deciding which girl you're going to bang. Like it's just crazy walking around thinking which girl will get your spunk today because they can't possibly all and you need to ration it. It's nuts.

Only downside is once you've done it once, it's not as magical the second or third time. It's still good but the shock and awe is gone.

Everyone at least once must experience the magic.


For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

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[Artvand1]

For starters, I know this is not the right forum. However, I wrote that I would briefly report my FKK experience for those GFE guys, like me, that have curiosities.

I'll keep it brief.

Which FKK did I visit? Artemis. Berlin.

Look of the girls? You can definitely find more than one that you like, either natural or plastic, tall or short, thin or not thin, in all colors (not all. I didn't see any asians).

Overview: You are wearing a robe and the girls walk around wearing nothing or close to nothing and they are spread out around the property. Some will approach you and some won't.

They are down for whatever:

Oh, you want your dick sucked in the movie theater, cool.

Oh, you want a threesome with anal, cool.

Oh you want her to stick her tongue in your ass, cool. LOL. I'm not even joking. Facts.

It feels like a strip club where you are a lot closer to the girls because you are both naked and yes, you can comfortably chill there for hours.

I'll give the same advice that I received before going. Take it for what it is. Don't expect magic and definitely don't expect GFE (I would not pay for anything GFE related). Have fun and treat it like a spa. Meaning take a walk in the pool, then bust a nut. Get a massage. Take a quick nap in the corner, wake up, bust a nut. Eat a light dinner (included). Hop in the sauna, then go home or bust another nut. Think of it as the girls are amenities there for you, the patron. If you look at it like that, you will feel more like a native, fully able to navigate the calm and hostile FKK waters.

Final thoughts: Give it a shot. Check it out. The experience is well worth it. I'm going to go one more time in the frankfurt area for the sake of comparison and I plan to say longer than 3 hours this time.

02.LshRoomer, my recommendation is to check out Bernds and Babylon in the NRW region. These ladies in these two establishments provide nice GFE. Although the quality of Bernds dropped they are still good compared to other FKKs. You won't go wrong, trust me.

[The Cane]

LshRoomer, my recommendation is to check out Bernds and Babylon in the NRW region. These ladies in these two establishments provide nice GFE. Although the quality of Bernds dropped they are still good compared to other FKKs. You won't go wrong, trust me.The NRW region is my least favorite for FKKs in Germany. Much prefer Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, and even the Munich scene where PSE sex is very common, including lots of anal on offer.

[Elvis 2008]

I have met so many women over the years who claim women don't care about looks, and they're totally full of shit. Women can be, and usually are, just as superficial as men are. If a man cares about looks 95% of the time, then a woman cares about looks at least 90% of the time. And as far as I'm concerned, that's a difference that makes no difference! Women are superficial and care about looks, especially with women's lib and their newfound freedoms and independence, and don't let them snow you into believing anything else in an effort to make themselves appear not superficial, and therefore "better" than men.Cane, I have been with a stripper in a club when she was dressed as a civilian. She showed me how a dancer thinks when she asked "What guys in here do you think have the most money?" There was nothing about looks, and I honestly had never looked at a strip club like that before.

I also had a woman show me her seeking account. She had dozens if not hundreds of replies. The number of scammers were staggering. I guess a few of the scammers were attractive, but there were four guys I picked out as legit meaning they could afford to pay her, and she picked the same four.

I am not sure I would say caring for money over looks means women are less superficial. As for looks versus money with women, any decent looking woman can find and fuck a guy who is good looking. Hell, even the not so decent looking women can have that.

[Elvis 2008]

Move on to Mxico. So much better and less bull shit then Colombia. Especially if you have a decent budget you will love it.

The only reason to go to Colombia is if you are into Fake Asses or you are cheap. If you have any standards, you will probably hate Colombia and all the be. S. That comes with it. Sorry Elvis.
LOL. Actually my gal and her daughter both hate paisas and Medellin. Medellin has a Las Vegas type moral attitude and Bogota is more like NYC. There was a big difference in attitude between the two cities with women.

But you go where the gems are and honestly DF pre-covid, I did not do well in CDMX. After Covid hit, it was amazing.

[The Cane]

Cane, I have been with a stripper in a club when she was dressed as a civilian. She showed me how a dancer thinks when she asked "What guys in here do you think have the most money?" There was nothing about looks, and I honestly had never looked at a strip club like that before.

I also had a woman show me her seeking account. She had dozens if not hundreds of replies. The number of scammers were staggering. I guess a few of the scammers were attractive, but there were four guys I picked out as legit meaning they could afford to pay her, and she picked the same four.

I am not sure I would say caring for money over looks means women are less superficial. As for looks versus money with women, any decent looking woman can find and fuck a guy who is good looking. Hell, even the not so decent looking women can have that.You're not just talking about "women". You're talking about a "specific subset of women" (strippers and prostitutes) where money is going to overrule almost everything else. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women who are looking for meaningful, serious relationships. In those circumstances, women can be just as shallow as men in terms of who they give a chance too (physical attraction being the key).

[Artvand1]

The NRW region is my least favorite for FKKs in Germany. Much prefer Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, and even the Munich scene where PSE sex is very common, including lots of anal on offer.Interesting, thanks for your reply! Never knew PSE was common in FKKs LOL. Good to know. Will definitely try out next time I visit. Of course these would be extras that we negotiate with the girl, right?

[DwayneJohnson]

Hi.

Anyone used seeking in Nordic region? I have a job offer that provides option to choose between Finland, norway or sweden and I was wondering what would be best place to meet non-professional or semi-professional girls. I have tried seeking in Estonia and most of the real pretty girls are expecting at least $1 K per meeting which isn't sustainable for me in long term.

Thanks.

[Gfefan]

This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.


For me, this has to be Miss J. She lives about a couple of hours away from me. But never says no. If I feel like having a good fuck, and tell her to get her ass (well, pussy) to me, she does.

Once I told her at 3 PM and she was kissing me at my personal bar at 7 PM. I had not even started to fondle her, but when I slipped my fingers down there after a few kisses, she was soaking wet. Pulled it down, unzipped and I was inside her in like 30 secs. We went on to fuck 3 times just that night. And 3 more next morning before she left at 11 AM.

We would have a 45 min session in bed, I lay on her for few minutes and we go to shower with the idea of washing off. But, while in shower, things heat up and before we know, we are fucking in the shower.

There was another occasion I was visiting her town in work. Had booked this hotel with sauna and pools at the ground floor. We go to sauna (maybe, 10 other people there naked). She sits next to me. I pretend as if I am holding her waist. But soon, she is seated on my palm and my fingers are inside. She is wet again.

We exit sauna, go upstairs to my room and fuck.

She is so horny that she sometimes initiates sex before I do. I love that.

[DramaFree11]

This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.I got the sane message from the model and I kind of had the same feelings as you did. We had become more friends then anything else.

I have to agree with Elvis we probably would have never met if Covid would not have happened. The minute restrictions were eliminated she changed and moved on.

She is hooking up with a guy from Europe. He is half my age and way better looking.

Time to move on and find something better, I never really ever stopped looking and hooking up with other girls, because I knew this day would come sooner or later.

[WyattEarp]

It's not like the FKKs don't have robust discussions in their own threads.

[WyattEarp]

You're not just talking about "women". You're talking about a "specific subset of women" (strippers and prostitutes) where money is going to overrule almost everything else. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about women who are looking for meaningful, serious relationships. In those circumstances, women can be just as shallow as men in terms of who they give a chance too (physical attraction being the key).I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.

[The Cane]

I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.Now that's definitely strippers and prostitutes my friend! And like the darker it is the better they look too LOL!

[Elvis 2008]

I think what The Cane is saying is that with certain women the more money we have the better looking we get. LOL.LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.

[Elvis 2008]

My reasons for going to Colombia is that it's closer to my preferred timezone (CDMX is about 1. 5 h the other direction) and I legitimately think the optics are better here.They are. It is just CDMX has like 3 X as many people as Bogota and 8 X as many as Medellin, so you will see more hotties percentage wise in Colombia, but there are probably more overall in CDMX.


Both girls had this willingness to please which made me very happy and was overall lacking in Argentina. If the girls I'm Barranquilla are like her, meeting a younger one would make me very happy.Willing to please? This reminds of like 30 or 40 years ago when guys wanted the Asian woman who supposedly lived to please and care for their man. Now there are fewer Asian women, and there is this interesting Netflix show called Love is Blind and then did a season in Japan. There was this Japanese hottie who was underwhelmed by the shape her man was in when she first saw him. In order for her to go through with the marriage, she put him through a physical boot camp and to his credit, the guy did as he was told, and they got married. Still, that notion of the docile compliant Asian woman was dead, and we are now in the age of the Asian Dragon ladies.

OTOH, I was talking to my Spanish teacher in Mexico about my GF and all she does, and she nodded her head and said, "Yes, that is what Latin women do. " And I was like, "Well, maybe not all Latin women. ", and I was thinking which one of those countries were the best care takers.

Ted, I agree with you and would put the Argentines on the low end of the caretaker spectrum. Almost every woman I met was almost American like in their desire to have sex in a transactional way. I felt nothing from them in regards to care taking.

Sadly, I never got that close to a Brazilian woman. Yes, they were intimate and open in the bedroom. In fact, I think it would be very much like them to have great sex with you and tell them you are the best lover they have ever had one night and say the same thing to a guy they slept with the night later. Thing is with a Brazilian woman they would really mean it. But I have not seen them in caretaker mode so I do not know where they rate. I would bet they rate high but I do not know.

My second to the bottom would be Venezuela. I had an ex-fiance of this type and saw her friends and family in action. They were not as uppity as the Argentines and sexually they are good, but I never saw anyone of them really do the caretaker thing for their man. Yeah, many are smart and highly educated, and that maybe is the problem. Instead of seeing themselves as someone who supports their man, they see themselves as equals and ask, what care taking are you doing for me?

I think most guys here are missing out if they are not with a Paraguayan. They are often really hot and open sexually. Yeah, they put themselves at a bit of a distance but not like the sterile Argentines, and they are great care takers. If you give a Paraguayan woman an orgasm, she will clean your whole damned house. It is too bad the country is so damned hard to get to.

Peruvians have all the great qualities of the caretaker Latina women. Like I said, the issue with them is looks. There just are not many Peruvian beauties.

With Mexican women, they have what I have described and DF agrees with is the Mexican wall. It is almost like Mexican women have this wall where they do not want to allow you in. I think it is because they so want to love everyone and are afraid of not being loved back or mistreated. I think Mexican women are under rated sexually but the real under rating comes in their care taking role. Once I set the limit of caring at a sugar relationship with its appropriate boundaries, the Mexican women showed me their great care taking roles. With the women I traveled with, they cooked for me without my asking, cleaned our place every day and happily did everything I asked for. I was curious what these women would do for a husband or BF they were in love with. I would bet they spoil them silly.

When I was in the P4 P world in Colombia, the women were just as distant as the Argentines, and I really had no desire to return, but a friend went on and on about it. I then read Routard's reviews of Colombia and wondered if I were missing something. Certainly not all women possess the caretaking gene I have seen, but it is there. Not only with my current gal, but there were two others I got to know and was very intimate with before her. No, the Colombian women are not as sexually skilled as the Brazilians. They are not as sophisticated as the Argentines or Vennies. Looks wise, IMO, they are below Brazil and even with Paraguay and Venezuela. But sexually, I have never had a Colombian woman who cares about me turn me down even if they are asleep at 4 AM. In fact, everyone of them I have really gotten to know has been hornier than me. It is that care taking nature that is what sets them apart. There is no holding back, no wall like the Mexicans. It is almost like the good Colombian women I have met are looking to do things to please you and to me, that is what makes them special. They are typically happy and desperately want you to be.


I suspect there's more cultural overlap with the girls in CDMX, who appear to be more intelligent and refined. The way they talk on WhatsApp suggests they're almost aggressive. I told one girl I didn't know when I was in town, and she replies a few days later with "entonces? She was quite upset I didn't have answer for her yet.Well, yes, CDMX is like NYC in that there is a do not waste my time big city mindset.


Mexico appears to be a place where you sacrifice optics for personality.Nah, in the Latin world, CDMX is second IMO only to Sao Paulo when it comes to number of tens.

[AmericanPi]

That was a pretty funny video. I like Dana.


LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.

[LshRoomer]

LOL. Okay, let's move on to the experts and settle this.

The hot crazy matrix is the absolute truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg

At 6:29, "Once you cross a certain line and have sufficient amounts of money, it is no longer relevant how hot you are. "

And this is all women.

Thing is this line is a helluva lot less is certain countries than others.This was awesome and super funny. If you find a 9 that's at 2 or 3 crazy, it's a tranny. LOL.

Your looks are mostly meaningless to a woman that simply wants to extract cash from you. That's mostly prostitutes and strippers without a doubt.

02.

[ManWithMotive]

I have started using SA for over last one year and since I am based in Doha currently did not have much success. Came across only hookers or scammers and did not really materialize anything except for a below average experience with a Asian woman (as it turned out later) and a nice encounter with Indian girl back in Mumbai while travelling.

So I was in touch with this girl over SA for last five months who travels between Doha and other places over chat who stayed a block away from my office. I was had my doubt to ahead with a meet and she was travelling so it took some time. Long story short finally met this girl last weekend and it turn out yo be best find for me over last 4 years my mongering times.

She is a Argentine, grew up in US and Spain, well conversant in 4 languages and travelled across places. Had a good time chilling out and then the sex was amazing. Never had this in my life so far.

Wondering why I was spending money over hookers and call girls for mechanical, meaningless sex for so long.

She is keeper and this SA does works but requires patience.

Cheers,

Manwithmotive.

[KeviKev68]

It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site. My profile is pretty popular I used a pic of myself dancing in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At first I was surprised at the interest because in the hobby I am labeled as a "AA" so, it's difficult to get any action there.

When I get a girls number I check to see if it's an app number or an iPhone number (can't differentiate Android from app) So. If's it's blue I usually have more success. I either meet at Starbucks or at the mall when I am in San Diego. I like to meet first because it weeds out the the escorts (they don't meet for free) and am able to get a feel of their sexuality. For the most part, the girls I meet are highly intelligent but are somewhat short on funds.

In the early years on the site PPM was not used. It was based on monthly but they have phased that out along with your income. Having mongered for over 20 years It took a lot of hard work to finesse an Arrangement. You guys know how American women are. They conflicted with the money for sex thing. I will not take women on dates like I am actually dating them. I am pretty direct with them I like intimacy. When they say they don't want something transactional, I ask if they would feel better if I didn't pay them. That usually does the trick.

I don't meet at my place always a hotel. I like using UBER or Lyft it's great. My PPM ranges from $150- $500. I rarely pay the $500 it's number they through out. I usually pay $300 for bareback and it's totally GFE. The college girls some white but mostly Latinas like to swallow and MSOG.

When I am in San Diego it's much higher quality there and more women by far. The price structure is the same $300 + or less. The women in San Diego are so hot. Anywhere you go in warm month the women wear short shorts. I just happened to meet a 22 Blasian girl that had the sexiest legs with her butt hanging out. No matter who I meet in SD they almost always come like that. A.

After talking a bit I take them over to Victoria's Secret and they send videos of themselves in outfits. I pick something and we are off to the hotel. It's so awesome there I can't remember the last time I went to Tijuana. It's PSE on steroids. I can post pics if some of you are interested.

For those of you who haven't tried SA, I highly recommend it. I ask these young ladies when I meet them about dating older guys. Almost all of them say they have been dating older guys when they were in high school. A few of them before that. Most of them saying that they dated their teachers. It's not all about looks!

[Luminous]

Great insight. I had given up on SA, everyone in South Florida was asking 400-500 and under 24 was even higher. Maybe it just takes time and patience. Will try it again.


It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

[AsianPursuits]

This girl texted me today that she got married and she can longer fuck me.

Sad but weirdly happy for her. No idea why.

We stay in touch but I got to be very discrete. Sex is off the table and she says money is off the table as well.

Experiencing this phase of sugar dating for first time.Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

[Luminous]

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.


Don't write her off at all. Just keep a friendly tone. She will be back at the second time she feels shunned by her husband. I have three direct experiences.

A) This first girl even invited me to her wedding and I took my then current GF with me. I told GF that this girl was an ex-employee. 6 months later I get a call from the newly married girl, now with new bolt-ONS. Wanted to meet for coffee at my place as didn't want to be seen outside, had coffee then asked ot go to toiles but insisted on using my ensuite toiler so I followed her to the bedroom.

B) This next one got into a marriage and continued seeing me after abiour3 months when she realised the marriage wasn't going to work.

C) Just last Tuesday! I was screwing some sugar from 2018. She got married 2019, had a child 2020. She's screwing me again in 2022.

So for all these girls, they often return.

[Ucgdx]

... However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.
I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site.My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

[AmericanPi]

That is a fine piece of tang.

Good on you my man. Good on you. Living your life to the fullest.


My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.

[AmericanPi]

So true. I have SB in Medellin, few months back she found a boyfriend and told me she would love to have dinner with me but will bring her boyfriend too and no sex. I didn't make it to Medellin any so that never happened. 6 months later when I was texting her a few days back, she still has the boyfriend but is totally game to sleep with me.The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

[Luminous]

Well, sometimes you develop a connection with a person. I was not in love with her but I liked her as a person and I think she did too. I didn't think she was trying to squeeze a dinner out of me. It's like when you go to different city and meet an old friend, you go out for dinner, simple as that.

I am not saying I have not been taken advantage off, this just wasn't one of those.


The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?

[Elvis 2008]

The real story is she wanted to have you take her and her boyfriend to dinner and not have sex? Why would she think anyone would be ok with that?Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.

[Elvis 2008]

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.

I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?

[KeviKev68]

My experience has been the same, in the same geographical area. I'm not overweight, but short, so maybe that all balances out in the looks department.
I find that I have to message 100 girls to get 40 in-app responses, which becomes only 13 off-app contacts. Yep, I also found that a blue bubble (iPhone) means a higher chance of success. From those 13 contacts, only 3 become meets, and about 1 BBFS hookup, usually paid but sometimes free.

I usually end up paying 500-600 / meet. I'm pretty picky about the girls I reach out to, and willing to pay a premium to get what I want. I always check ID for age too.

Arrangements end up lasting anywhere between 1 meet and a year. In my current arrangement, we went CFS for the first two sessions, but they were also unpaid besides some non-cash gifts. In the 4th session, I showed her my recent test results, and she agreed to go BB since then. We also agreed to an allowance with the understanding that it would be more times some weeks, and zero times other weeks. So far so good!

I'm attaching a pic of a previous 19 YO SB, 5'3, 105, sizeBcups, former track athlete, perfect body.My arrangements usually last a year but I have some that are semi-regular that are still on going for the past 3 years. These are a couple of arrangements I've had.

[Ucgdx]

Good job UCG! That is my kind of gal. And you are fishing in California? Is that right?Yep, NorCal, where there's too many rich guys and not enough cute college girls. That's why it takes so many messages to land one good arrangement.

Attaching a pic of another former 2022 SB; she had just immigrated to the US earlier this year, so I picked her up on her first week on SA.

[AmericanPi]

That's so interesting. I have never done SD that way. It's only ever been one night in town, maybe 2.

I'm married so I don't think I could get away with hiding a long term in town SB. But it sounds amazing.


Obviously, because she liked his company and trusted his judgement. I have had SBs where I talked to them about their BFs all the time. Hell, with some, I would expect their wanting me to meet their BF and see if I approved. That is the daddy part of being a sugar daddy.

I was with a married SB and listened to her marital problems. Her husband would cum in < 20 seconds. She was a stunner, and I thought about pursuing more than a sugar relationship with her, but it became obvious to me that she loved him but was not sexually satisfied and so I was cool with just being her SD.

With another, she would hang out with these losers and I would listen to her talk about them. Thing is she was less good in bed when she was with them because she was not as horny, but I chastised her not on that but dating all these losers. She had super model type looks and still gave the best head I have ever gotten. Still, when she found the right guy, I kind of felt guilty seeing her and eventually broke it off. The whole point of being a SD is really doing what is best for your SB and having more than just a sexual relationship with them.

So when Luminous says his gal wanted to meet with him and not have sex, that tells me he is doing it right. He has more than just a P4 P relationship with his gal.

[Steve 9696]

That's so interesting. I have never done SD that way. It's only ever been one night in town, maybe 2.

I'm married so I don't think I could get away with hiding a long term in town SB. But it sounds amazing.It's def challenging but I was able to progress beyond the "couple of meetups". I started with a night or two when traveling in the US. And that was amazing. Then I flew Alexa to Miami (not my home) for a couple days and that was AMAZING. I started doing discreet hometown quickies — like just dinner and room. Maybe 2-2. 5 hours. Then settled in on a hometown girl and did that on and off for a year. Then I met Shayla and we have progressed from that. Now she lives in an apt I own and we are like a real couple. Mind blowing. Recently flew together to Miami. Off the charts. More on that soon.

But yeah it can progress and progress and progress. Always another layer!

[WyattEarp]

It's def challenging but I was able to progress beyond the "couple of meetups". I started with a night or two when traveling in the US. And that was amazing. Then I flew Alexa to Miami (not my home) for a couple days and that was AMAZING. I started doing discreet hometown quickies like just dinner and room. Maybe 2-2. 5 hours. Then settled in on a hometown girl and did that on and off for a year. Then I met Shayla and we have progressed from that. Now she lives in an apt I own and we are like a real couple. Mind blowing. Recently flew together to Miami. Off the charts. More on that soon.Hi Steve, having read your stuff for a long time and conversed with you directly it would seem you have a lot of flexibility in your marriage. Not to get too personal, but based on your posts it seems like don't ask, don't tell.

In any event, your travels are amazing and the envy of most of us here. You have many opportunities to work your SD magic in many USA Cities and several countries.

[Steve 9696]

Hi Steve, having read your stuff for a long time and conversed with you directly it would seem you have a lot of flexibility in your marriage. Not to get too personal, but based on your posts it seems like don't ask, don't tell.

In any event, your travels are amazing and the envy of most of us here. You have many opportunities to work your SD magic in many USA Cities and several countries.You are right. I am living the time of my life right now. But no it's not exactly a flexible don't ask don't tell relationship. A couple things here that other marrieds might cobsider:

1. At first I was paralyzed that she might find out. But the more I thought about it I realized I'the be happier single than married at this stage. I want to keep things together "for the kids" for a couple more years. And she NEEDS me. She's very dependent on me. If things went south she's be waaaaay more fucked than I would. So it's kinda funny. I keep it private for HER sake not for mine. She's a smart girl tho. She prob knows something is up and too smart to push to hard because she knows she needs me more than I need her.

2. I work very hard to ensure all details are covered. If I say I am going out to dinner I make sure that place is open. I know the menu and "what I had". It's all made up. But she asks sometimes. Likewise I recently went in a trip and didn't actually go where she thinks I did. I took Shayla to Miami instead. But I had itinerary and hotel reservations for my pseudo location. Texted take off and landing at appropriate time zone adjusted times etc. It was a fuck load of work and very dicey at times! But totally worth the meticulous planning.

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.

[The Cane]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.Just stay single and free to leave at any time! No way in hell I could have the patience for all of that. No way no how!

[Steve 9696]

Been trying to decide whether to write this up or not because it probably just sounds like gloating and in some ways it is. But I love YOUR stories and live vicariously through them. I read Medellin and So Paulo and a few other forums just because I love this shit. I love reading a good field report. And who else am I going to spill my guts to besides you guys! So here goes.

To put this in context, you guys know I have coin but I got a ridiculous bonus year end so even the frugal side of me was just stomped out of existence which made it twice as fun. Plus some of these activities aren't as unaffordable as you might think. I've included prices. Of course Shayla was just in girlfriend mode so no costs there.

Of course for those just catching up Shayla is my SB from January whos become more like my girlfriend. She lives in an apt I own and the rest is just BFGF. Despite our 35 year age difference we get on like a house on fire. Just adore each other and try to spend as much time together as we can.

We flew into Miami and took an Uber to our beachside hotel because the cars we wanted don't hold luggage. LOL. So our first night we were car free. We got in around noon and had some sushi by the beach. Super good and so nice to be with my girl with no time limits! We did this once before with a mountains vacation and this even topped that.

Honestly tho our first day was def not the best of the lot. We had a fun time kicking around and walking on the beach but spent a fair amount of time figuring where we were going to get weed since it's illegal in Florida. Managed to score some finally. And had a lovely steak dinner at a high end steak house. Wagyu filet and cap ribeye. Wow. And wow on the bill too - $350. Worth it? Yea but just barely.

Oddly despite a couple advances sex never happened. This was a bit disconcerting but part of things being a bit more BFGF and not just someone I'm paying to suck my dick. But we fixed this totally the next day and beyond. Crashed like big dogs and slept in.

Got the car delivered to the hotel at 11 AM. A BMW I8 with suicide doors and all in metallic bright blue. Total head turner and great fun. Had it two days. $560 including delivery to our doorstep. Felt pretty badass. Had a nice lunch but had to keep it brief as we decided to book Parasailing at 1.

If you haven't parasailed you need to. Wow. That is something. We were up 400 feet in a tandem rig and drove right along the beach. It's pretty nerve wracking but amazing st the same time. High recommend. $300. Followed this up with Thai couples massage at 4 PM. Also high recommend on Thai massage. They really work and stretch you. Fixed a couple joint / back problems Shayla had. She was over the moon.

Can't recall exactly when but I brought up the fact that we didn't have sex day one and it was disappointing and I'the tried to initiate twice. Again now we are in BFGF land. She was really nice about it and said she didn't know I was trying to initiate and she is such a nerd she doesn't know how to handle these things but rest assured she always wants to have sex with me and just let her know and it's on.

So I made it a lot more clear when I was initiating after massage and before dinner and wow did we have some great sex. Not as good as nights two and three (stay tuned) but amazing nonetheless. Amazing dinner at an Asian fusion place by the water. $250. And a night in of smoking drinking and cuddling.

Third day we discovered the sixth floor dining and pool area. Duh why didn't we find this before! We ate breakfast at the restaurant there and it was mostly comped because she's a diamond member which was sweet. But the pool area overlooking a panoramic beach was priceless. Went to the beach first and had a glorious time. She loves the beach. Got super sandy but had fun. Then spent the remainder of the day in a poolside cabana now THAT is my style. Def king of the world.

Helicopter ride at 3:30. This was absolutely one of the best experiences of my life. Never done it before. It was epic. Just indescribable. And with my girl. Highlight of the trip. $700. Save your pennies and put this on your bucket list!

Had some amazing sex after the helicopter and I mean best so far particularly for her. She musta cum at leave five times maybe more. She literally couldn't walk after. Just a great time. Went for barbecue and the Casino after that where we lost a tidy pile of cash but she had fun. Not my fave. Great fun driving the I8 tho. Crashed hard again not even late really.

Last day was mostly poolside. Just lounging together and her in that bikini. Fuck she looks good. She pretty much initiated sex at some point when we were back in the room. Musta been morning because we checked out at 1. She straddled me on the chair and started kissing me and of course it was on after that. She dominated me a little bit from on top and I rather liked it. We got those skinny jeans off and I fingered her while we made out. Then Asian cowgirl in the chair. Wowza! After a while we moved to the bed — I literally carried her with dick in pussy and legs wrapped around like a movie or something and it totally worked! Started in mish from there obviously then Steve 2. Steve. Mish. Doggie. Cowgirl. BJ. And a couple rounds of that. Finally finished CIM in Steve 2. Once again she had multiple Os some that were mind bending. She was an absolute floppy wet dishrag after we finished. Just done for. But a smile size of Texas. And then more pool time. LOL.

So it was a packed 3. 5 days but we made it count. Epic car. Parasailing. Helicopter ride. Just a dream really. As I say I wasn't counting pennies this trip but as you see above some of these things are affordable if you save up and only do them once. I would def do both parasailing and heli again in a heartbeat. And oh have epic sex also. 😋. Thanks for tolerating my rambling. Hope some of u enjoyed it!

[Midwestern]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.Totally agree with you. My only small caveat is to be prepared if you do get caught. I have several friends that thought they'd never get caught and when they did get caught, they were totally unprepared for it. For me, I accept it's possible (and maybe even likely) that I'll get caught. But I pretty much know what I will do, and how I will live, in case I am caught.

Many years ago, I had a friend who was mongering all the time. He was happily married and loved his kids. And so I asked him, "What if your wife finds out?" he then just asked me, "What if YOUR wife finds out?" I simply said that I was prepared for that to happen, and that we cannot do the crime unless we can do the time. " he just looked at me in shock and disbelief. He said he could NEVER lose his family, and so his wife finding out would never be a possibility. But he didn't even hide his mongering that well. He was so open about it. Anyway, he got caught. It was a huge scandal because he was always viewed as the perfect loving and caring husband and father. He also somehow lost his job too. I know someone else that lost his job after he got caught. I'm not sure why these guys lost their jobs, but I do know that they were unprepared for getting caught, and that probably played some role.

[DigLicker]

Hows NYC for SA? It seems like competition isn't as high for women as prostitution is illegal so men are willing to pay more, plus people also make a retarded amount of money here in NYC. Also hot profiles but not as hot as other European cities I am glancing at.

[Steve 9696]

Hows NYC for SA? It seems like competition isn't as high for women as prostitution is illegal so men are willing to pay more, plus people also make a retarded amount of money here in NYC. Also hot profiles but not as hot as other European cities I am glancing at.Sorry my experience is pre-COVID there but what I found was mostly hideously expensive girls but a few gems to be found. Tried out things with 4 girls. This was early in my journey.

1 Viet mix. College girl. Unbelievably naive and she loved every minute of it. She's never had real DATY before! It was Amazing. A true crush.

2 Chinese with long blond hair. Super nice time. Dinner drinks and sex. Quality.

3 35 year old first timer. Did not work out. But would have now that I am a experienced. But I was a newbie.

4 Peruvian. Straight up pro. Pretty meh experience.

Honestly going 2. 5 for 4 in my early days was pretty good. And the Viet college girl was a life experience I'the never trade. She was just so smitten with the whole idea of a sugar date and a nice restaurant and wow I still think about her.

So I would think you could find some gems. But lots and lots of work. Good luck!

[Elvis 2008]

Totally agree with you. My only small caveat is to be prepared if you do get caught. I have several friends that thought they'd never get caught and when they did get caught, they were totally unprepared for it. For me, I accept it's possible (and maybe even likely) that I'll get caught. But I pretty much know what I will do, and how I will live, in case I am caught.
Good point, MW. With regards to why guys lose their jobs, my guess is because the emotionally devastating aspect of divorce takes its toll on them in the work place, and they do not perform as well.

After spending the money necessary to take care of the family, I spent money on my sugar babies, but I was shocked to learn that half the money I spent on them was considered stealing from my family. In Texas, they call it fraud against the community. That my wife was sitting on her ass and not working was not considered fraud. Amazingly, she got a job the day she filed for divorce though. I know guys will not do this, but it would have been better to have divorced before seeing other women. For all the belly aching and bitching about cheating though, there is a formula that most judges at least in Texas follow. The formula is 6% goes to the lawyers, and the man and woman split things 50-50 after the lawyers get their cut. If the man is cheating, the split goes 55 to the woman and 45 to the man.

If you are the bread winner, the lawyers try to hoist both lawyer's fees on you. Nope, she pays her lawyer out of her stash not yours, and this is probably the most important fact here for guys to know. After the ex was getting a $1000 bill every time she cried to her lawyer, she was begging to negotiate.

Like everything legal, it is best if you completely take emotions and "justice" out of the equation and just focus on the financial like lawyers do, but that is easier said than done. The court is literally determining your worth as a father and person.

[TedFerguson]

Just finished my first week in Medellin and I'm comfortable to say Colombia can work for sugar dating. I did some things differently from the previous trip:

- Staying in Laureles, closer to the girls, which does indeed improve their punctuality. Laureles is more walkable and fewer of the (often shitty) American tourists who come here, although the buildings are not as well constructed than Poblado (bring earplugs).

- Focusing on quality over quantity. College girls with gym bodies, as opposed to the inexpensive, marginally employed country girls which make up much of the SA (and FB) scene here.

- Doing video calls to weed out the ones which are unsuitable for a longer-term relationship, flaky, boring, or purely interested in money. (Lots of the latter.).

In the first week this yielded a 20 year old 8. 5, part-time model with a great body, solid communication and ambition / intelligence. Brazilian asses spoil you, as I remember from my time in Argentina looking down at girls' asses and thinking "this doesn't look right". Not a problem in Colombia. Everything looks right from the back (albeit faces could improve). I could easily see this girl 3 x / week and live here in the sunshine, eating cheap but excellent food, going to bed early and not feeling an ounce of stress. *.

I find it amazing how easy it is to be happy here living on so little money. If I ever lost my job and lacked sufficient wealth, Medellin would be the top of my list. Start every day with eating out for breakfast, 90 minutes at the gym for both weights and cardio, relaxing a bit before lunch with a SB, back to my place for two rounds, and ending the day reading or video games after she leaves. I can't think of a way to improve on that right now, but open to suggestions.

I don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.

Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian women have superb optics and better compatibility with my personality. The challenge is not staying more than 6 months there, which I've realized I could do by flying to Asuncion, Paraguay every other week for the work week. While a crap ton of flying (4 x2 h flights / month), this means I can spend every weekend in Brazil for 10 months a year (without overstaying visa or running into tax issues). Plus 1 month of travel for work, and 1 month of travel outside Brazil for vacation and that's a whole year. So there's the dilemma, commit to Brazilian booty (with a taste of Paraguayan) or make some time for Colombians and their sexual intensity?

[Ucgdx]

Been trying to decide whether to write this up or not because it probably just sounds like gloating and in some ways it is. But I love YOUR stories and live vicariously through them. I read Medellin and So Paulo and a few other forums just because I love this shit. I love reading a good field report. And who else am I going to spill my guts to besides you guys! So here goes.
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So it was a packed 3. 5 days but we made it count. Epic car. Parasailing. Helicopter ride. Just a dream really. As I say I wasn't counting pennies this trip but as you see above some of these things are affordable if you save up and only do them once. I would def do both parasailing and heli again in a heartbeat. And oh have epic sex also. 😋. Thanks for tolerating my rambling. Hope some of u enjoyed it!Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

[Luminous]

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.

My rule is try to not get into long term commitments, but if you do, assume the worst case scenario and don't be pissed when it happens.

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised. I have been caught without a plan and paid the emotional price and dollars for it.


Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.

[The Cane]

A boxer doesn't get into a fight assuming he will never get punched, in fact he goes in with a plan of how to handle the punches so he is never surprised.But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[Nounce]

...Now the real dilemma. Should I alternate 1 month in Brazil and 1 in Colombia throughout the year, with SBs in both locations, or should I commit to Brazil? Brazilian...I think you are just scratching the surface in Colombia based on my experience. It seems you have positive experience so why not stay longer and see how much better it gets and make your own decision. I started off from SA before FB when there were a lot of students going on SA experimenting. I still keep in touch with two that were students who was planning to become medical doctor when I met them. They eventually get info medical school but are not studying to become doctor, I guess due to competition is hard. Stay longer, at least for the first time, so you have time to see if you can upgrade, and the girls may consider you more permanent. The main drawback with more educated girls is they have a busy schedule which affect their availability.

[Ucgdx]

An option is if she stops paying, terminate the lease and pay the termination fees. Money is temporary and assuming you live in US, basic money is not hard to make.Yeah, my backup plan is:

1) Ask what happened.

2) If no response, tell her I'm assuming she moved out, so I'm scheduling a locksmith to come change the locks.

3) If no response, come over with the locksmith.

4) Terminate the lease with a fee only after she's moved out. I don't want to get the landlord involved in the mess.

Hope I can stick to it if I get punched in the face, financially. It's not a big deal, under 2 k a month, I just don't want to be taken advantage of.

[Luminous]

True. But having a plan is better than no plan.

And the Chinese saying "No war is won by the plan or without a plan".


But remember what Iron Mike Tyson said. Everybody has a plan. Until they get punched in the mouth! LMAO LOLOLOL!

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for the epic report!

The fact that you own a separate apartment where she stays for free, that's amazing! What will happen in the future when you two break up -- will you have to evict her?

I did a dumb thing with a former SB / GF this year; I signed a lease for an apartment, and we agreed that if we broke up, she would pay. But it's my name on the lease, so post-breakup now I pay and send her a bill, and then she pays me back within a week. She's been good about it so far, but I'm afraid it would get ugly if she stops paying.

On a separate note, I love that your SB was so straightforward about not getting hints and straight up telling you that she's always down for sex if you ask directly. And then I also noticed that she was super in the mood and initiated things after a few expensive and thrilling adventures. I've experienced the same -- after a really emotional experience, the girl is horny and ready.Glad to here you have plowed this ground before. Yeah we agreed she's going to be easy if I ask her to leave but who knows. But it's a sweet situation because I own it free and clear. Market price for rent is $2500/ month. So I can look at it one of a few ways. At one end it's paid for so it's completely free to let her stay there. At the other end I am forgoing $2500 a month so that's my cost. I choose to look at it in the middle. The cost of capital of what I actually invested in buying and upgrading. Looking at it this middle ground way she is getting a 2500 value and I am paying 1400 for the privilege of having her my girl. So major win win. If we had a falling out I'the let her stay for $1400 say and she had a good job. But right now we are stronger than ever at a year in!

Haha yeah doubt we were both on cloud nine after helicopter and fucking hit capped the experience. It was def top tier. 😋.

[AsianPursuits]

I guess those are my two key points to other married guys:

1. Consider how bad it would be if it all went south. Is it really that bad? Set your risk tolerance around this.

2. Engineer your opportunities and plan your cover story meticulously.

Or maybe I'm just fucking lucky. LOL.Having been long term married and started this cheating game only 5 years into marriage I've managed to keep up the facade for 20+ years.

I too do the same and to be honest it is so ingrained as habit. I know words to use, how much detail to give without creating problems for later. I have multiple profiels on my travel plans and share 'openly' details.

One technique I always, always use is to invite my life partner on every trip. So if I am planning a SB escape to a city, I will put the dates on the calendar and invite my life partner and kids in parallel to creating the itinerary with the SB. In the 20 years of doing this I've never had anyone take up the offer. The few times where I have had people join me on legitimate business trips I've made sure it wasn't that much fun.

Another habit I have is not keeping condoms after an adventure. I always toss everything and rarely will bring home hotel paraphernalia.

[Elvis 2008]

JI don't think I'll make it to CDMX. I'm having a hard time finding the optics I like there, even girls with acceptable bodies have me going hmm at their faces. Although the escorts from LaBoutique meet that criteria, probably an uphill battle converting those to SBs. The timezone also isn't great for giving me enough time to work out in the morning. I suspect the food will be better, weather sunnier, and perhaps more importantly, the variety of people and overall higher human development of a big city will grow me as a person more than a place like Medellin.Ted, you are in the tourist season in Medellin: https://weatherspark.com/y/22535/Average-Weather-in-Medell%C3%ADn-Colombia-Year-Round.

And it lasts until mid-March so I agree with Nounce you should hang there. Issue with Medellin IMO was not the looks but the character of the women, a lot of gold diggers. But as you saw, there are women who come to Medellin from other places that do not have that attitude. I met a physical therapy student there who was wife material, and yeah, the food was rarely exceptional.

You will paying much more for a sugar baby in CDMX and the rainy season in Medellin and CDMX overlap. It is a tad warmer in Medellin than CDMX but the temps in both are pretty much the same year around. What varies is the rain and cloud cover which are much higher in the fall in both.

Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. Rio is nicer but I never thought of it as safe. Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be. Thing is the better times to visit these Brazilian cities is when the weather in Medellin gets worse.

I thought Cartagena would be sunny year around, and I was wrong. In the fall, it rains so badly in the fall that the flooding locked my gal in for two days. And now the weather is like I always pictured it, hot and dry.

With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.

With Paraguay, I wish I had been more forward. It is a poor country and the women were working for peanuts. I should have been more aggressive about just talking to lay women about being a sugar baby, but I was there before I knew what one was.

You know those beer promotions and you have like a few Bud Light gals or something like that. In Paraguay, the women were so cheap to hire there would be like thirty women hawking stuff. I did not approach said women and like I said, I wish I would have.

[The Cane]

Time and again, people who had been to Brazil told me about Curtiba. There are a lot of German immigrants in Brazil, which means a lot of blondes, and they raved about the city. Unlike the mess of SP and semi-mess in Rio, it is well organized and I was told the trains run on time. I am just not sure if the mongering scene / hot women in Curtiba is big enough there but it could be.I can 100% vouch for what you say about women from Curitiba. One of the most gorgeous girls I ever met in Brazil was from there. I actually met her at Scandallo, and she told me of how her family came to Brazil from Germany a couple of generations ago. She looked like she had just stepped off of the immigrant steamship herself all blonde and blue in her sexy dress. It was a memorable session that I wrote about many moons ago. It always cracks me up when guys who like white chicks balk at going to Brazil because they don't think there are enough of them there. Works for me haha!

Anyway, because of that encounter with her, I started to do some research on Curitiba. Besides, my favorite MMA fighter of all time Anderson Silva is from there LOL! I came away believing that although Curitiba appears to be a great place to live in Brazil, the mongering scene doesn't seem to be that strong compared to other Brazilian cities I have been to (Rio, Sampa, and Porto Alegre). Well, I guess you can't always have it all! Another nice city that I learned about is Vitoria. But again, I don't think the mongering action there is that strong.

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!

[HumbleHal]

Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?

[Elvis 2008]

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!Cane, I guess what I am trying to say is what cities would you go back to or stay in if you were not going to monger. Sao Paulo, Asuncion, and Bogota (which I may have gone to one other time after my initial visit) are cities I never would go back to except for the women.

There are places like CDMX, NYC, the Cancun area, and the Orlando area where you could be there a year and not see and do everything. The women are just a bonus to the fun that can be had.

Then you have the ones in the middle, and I would put Medellin, Rio, Monterrey, and Cartagena in that mix. After a few months unless you get into a routine or have the excitement of new women, those cities will get boring after a few months or a year.

Dramafree told me how great Monterrey was, and I went and quickly accumulated a stable of amazing harem of women from seeking, but I could just go there and pop in and out for three or four days and screw to my heart's content and head to my favorite places to eat and drink.

Bogota was really the first foreign city where I used seeking with success but it was a place I had to stay for a while. Like always, I was wanting to expand and improve my harem, and my plans always included seeing my regulars but looking for fresh meat. You can see all the fun stuff in Bogota IMO in a day or two IMO, so outside of the women, the city got boring to me.

The issue is which one do you go for: the boring, exciting, or semi-exciting cities. With me, I guess I sought out the best values, and those are likely to be found more in the boring cities. In my case, I wound up moving my gal from a boring city to a semi-exciting one and we vacation frequently in the exciting places. That was not my plan, but it just kind of happened that way.

[Nounce]

...Bogota and Sao Paulo are both great cities for women, and I still think as good as SP is for women, it is a shit hole. ....Sao Paulo is probably the most diverse city I have been to. It's a world class city when you consider the infrastructure, the park, the restaurants, night life. I can write a lot about it. But I can see why some will think it is a shit hole which is only part of it. I look at individual areas and each has it's charm.

[WyattEarp]

To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either.That seems to be a fair assessment. In the past, when I have had to work for several weeks in NYC and Sao Paulo. During some of my free daytime hours, I would head to Central Park in NYC and Ibirapuera Park in SP to get myself in a green space away from the urban onslaught.

I bring up NYC because its a good comparison. I believe Manhattan is actually more densely populated than the center of SP. Similar to NYC, Sao Paulo is very cosmopolitan.

Cane, you mentioned the only nice areas in Rio are along the Southern coast (accurate). There was a silly discussion on the Rio thread in the recent past about staying in Centro so one would be close to the mongering. Yikes! If you are in Rio for leisure / mongering and even business if you have a choice of lodging, you stay in the areas you mentioned as well as Copacabana Beach and Leme Beach.

[TedFerguson]

With the great cities for women, in Bogota, the issues are the altitude, pollution, and weather. Sao Paulo is the traffic, pollution, and IMO lack of things to do. Asuncion has a better climate (though it can be very hot), but the main knock on it is it boring, and it is a pain in the ass to get to. The good thing about being hard to get to though is there is not as much competition.I've didn't have decent sex in the 3 weeks I was in Bogota. The women were sophisticated and intelligent yes, but they had no rhythm and I had to do most of the work. Even if I found one who knew how to move eventually, the weather is a nonstarter for me.

For now, I'm sticking to Medellin because it's working and the weather is decent. Even if many of the women are gold diggers, they're less expensive overall than those in Brazil, and like you pointed out, not all of them are purely money oriented. If it doesn't work out, I'll check out Paraguay.

I suspect Paraguay will be less comfortable than Colombia. There will be fewer healthy food options even if the lodging / gyms are decent. If I look around Asuncion on Instagram, I see a lot of the thinner, more European body types I found in Buenos Aires. Nice from the front, but not much posterior development. Cheaper, better attitudes probably, but not ideal for bedroom activities.

Also, besides escorts there's not much of an online game, and I'm very much an online type of guy. Maybe I haven't found the right website for Paraguay. Or maybe now that I know both Spanish and Portuguese, I need to start approaching girls outside the online world to expand the pool of options.

[LshRoomer]

I work very hard to ensure all details are covered. If I say I am going out to dinner I make sure that place is open. I know the menu and "what I had". It's all made up. But she asks sometimes. Likewise I recently went in a trip and didn't actually go where she thinks I did. I took Shayla to Miami instead. But I had itinerary and hotel reservations for my pseudo location. Texted take off and landing at appropriate time zone adjusted times etc. It was a fuck load of work and very dicey at times! But totally worth the meticulous planning.

Good words Steve! This to me seems to be the only way to maneuver. Any other way, you either don't care, or are simply waiting for problems.

If you have chosen to explore many girls for the experience (like me), then meticulous is word of the day, and of the night, and of anytime that you are on the road and want to keep your path private.

I always think of a smooth flow. Everything should match to support your narrative. This comes down to flights, delays, hotels, travel times, checkin texts (time zone specific), take off and layovers checkins, and of course city specific souvenirs (important for when you are in be and are supposed to be in A) and even travel email approvals. It really comes down to the simple thought that if you are going to do it, do it right and don't complicate your life by being sloppy.

Use an encrypted disk image for everything! She found a pic of you banging your Colombian SB. WTF is wrong with you? It's Impossible! She would have needed 22nd century tech to break your encryption (you get the point). Just make sure the door is always closed. 2nd and last entry point is the cell. If you don't have a 2nd cell (situation dependent), then know that with an audible exhale I'm sitting here writing with a silent nod of disapproval. LOL.

But seriously, for anyone that is starting their mission on the girl enthusiast route (trying hard not to steal that saying Steve) or the explorer of girls mission, don't create complication where it doesn't have to exist; cover your bases and keep it simple.

02.

[The Cane]

Cane, I guess what I am trying to say is what cities would you go back to or stay in if you were not going to monger. Sao Paulo, Asuncion, and Bogota (which I may have gone to one other time after my initial visit) are cities I never would go back to except for the women.I wouldn't go back to Asuncion even for the women. So damn boring! And I'm not attracted to most of the women there who have a strong indigenous look. I did fuck a blanca there though. If one is interested in women in Paraguay one be better off in Buenos Aires. A much more dynamic city than Asuncion and full of chicas from Paraguay (I fucked a pretty, indigenous one in BA).

[Ucgdx]

Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?I would guess:

- phone number: most probable.

- credit card: not likely, as families can share credit cards (you and your brother for example). And you sign up for an account before you even add a credit card.

- address: not likely, for the same reason as above.

- name plus above: not likely that sophisticated.

- IP address: not likely because if you're using SA at work (a bad idea), your IP address would be the same as anyone else at work.

So get a free TextFree burner phone number and try making a new account with that and a new email address together.

[AsianPursuits]

Just wondering what others have done to get around their blocking. Have tried using a different email account, no work. Wondering if they keep the block on my phone number? Or my IP address? Or my credit card address, name etc. How would I get back on?Here is something I wrote previously.


Have you been previously suspended? They have their own database of emails, names and addresses which they check against before sending to your credit card for processing. The times I have hit this wall the card operator is not seeing any traffic. So, I think you have a black mark in their database. Here is what I would do:

A) get a different email address (free gmail).

B) get a different card number.

C) Use a different street address but same Town & Postcode as your card.

Last time I had problems signing up I tried changing each of the above individually and was unsuccessful until I had all three changed. You will get very good at signing up gmail accounts.

[WyattEarp]

I wouldn't go back to Asuncion even for the women. So damn boring! And I'm not attracted to most of the women there who have a strong indigenous look. I did fuck a blanca there though. If one is interested in women in Paraguay one be better off in Buenos Aires. A much more dynamic city than Asuncion and full of chicas from Paraguay (I fucked a pretty, indigenous one in BA).While I was in Asunción a long time ago, the few hot, single women seemed to be all be already paired up with the older, affluent men. It doesn't take much for a man to be affluent in Paraguay. Some of my Paraguayan business colleagues had hotties on the side. They really didn't make a huge amount of money.

Perhaps a visitor can crack the sugar baby market, but you're always at a disadvantage to the local men if you are just looking for a one or two night stand. I think it's better to go with the numbers of hotties in larger South American cities.

Note: I believe Brazil and Argentina together invaded Paraguay and occupied Asunción in the mid-1800's. Apparently, neither had any interest in annexing it. LOL.

[Gfefan]

Have never been to Curitiba but the girls are great.

I had a great chemistry with one I met in Spain. She is from Curitiba.

Sad I moved and had to let her go purely because of logistics.


I can 100% vouch for what you say about women from Curitiba. One of the most gorgeous girls I ever met in Brazil was from there. I actually met her at Scandallo, and she told me of how her family came to Brazil from Germany a couple of generations ago. She looked like she had just stepped off of the immigrant steamship herself all blonde and blue in her sexy dress. It was a memorable session that I wrote about many moons ago. It always cracks me up when guys who like white chicks balk at going to Brazil because they don't think there are enough of them there. Works for me haha!

Anyway, because of that encounter with her, I started to do some research on Curitiba. Besides, my favorite MMA fighter of all time Anderson Silva is from there LOL! I came away believing that although Curitiba appears to be a great place to live in Brazil, the mongering scene doesn't seem to be that strong compared to other Brazilian cities I have been to (Rio, Sampa, and Porto Alegre). Well, I guess you can't always have it all! Another nice city that I learned about is Vitoria. But again, I don't think the mongering action there is that strong.

It's funny how you think Sao Paulo is a "shithole" and that Rio is "nice". In my view, almost all of Rio is a shithole with only Ipa, LeBlon, and Barra being parts of it that I think are truly nice enough for me to want to live. Like a Brazilian friend told me once, Rio is crowded, stinky, and dirty. Well, I guess I would consider Botafogo, but I don't consider that neighborhood to be particularly "nice". Very middle of the road. To me most of Sampa is just a giant concrete jungle without much unique character. But not necessarily a dump either. Well everyone has their own tastes right? Let's not go there again!

[Elvis 2008]

While I was in Asuncin a long time ago, the few hot, single women seemed to be all be already paired up with the older, affluent men. It doesn't take much for a man to be affluent in Paraguay. Some of my Paraguayan business colleagues had hotties on the side. They really didn't make a huge amount of money.

Perhaps a visitor can crack the sugar baby market, but you're always at a disadvantage to the local men if you are just looking for a one or two night stand. I think it's better to go with the numbers of hotties in larger South American cities. You are probably right, Wyatt. I just was not doing the SB thing when I was there and wished I had given it a go. FWIW, the best Paraguayans I had were not in Paraguay.


Note: I believe Brazil and Argentina together invaded Paraguay and occupied Asuncin in the mid-1800's. Apparently, neither had any interest in annexing it. LOL.Nah, Paraguay has unreal potential. Their politics are just fucked up. Electricity costs nothing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Paraguay.

Even though it is land locked, it has a good river system for export: https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/paraguay-paraguay-parana-waterway-system.

And they have more fresh water than all the great lakes combined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guarani_Aquifer.

As an American, I have wondered why we are so rich and South America so poor, and I think it is our culture and ability to think long term and reward it.

Someone, maybe it was you Wyatt, made the comment that the sugar babies who always seem to get the most money are the ones who ask for money the least and care the most about the longer term relationship.

With their soil, free water, and virtually free electricity, Paraguayans should be loaded not dirt poor.

[Steve 9696]

Even tho I am pretty good at this game I am AMAZED at where Shayla and I have gotten to. Admittedly She's a horny beast more so than any girl I've ever met. But including our little Miami trip I saw her 6 out of 7 days. And we had mad sex 5 of those six. WTF? I'm getting fucking worn out! I feel like I've been lifting in the gym. My hips and shoulders are sore!

To be fair I've been really lighting her up. I get my one or two orgasms but she's doing 5 or 6. I Am absolutely rocking her world (advantage of being old!) and so I think she's up for it so much as a result. Last couple times have been massage / lotioning her back and legs and butt and that Butt. Oh my. It's something. So I start massaging and I'm getting horny and slip a cheeky finger under to her clit and do a few circles and it's on. Slide the panties to the left. Some intense gspot fingering. Leads to BJ. Leads to unreal sex.

Going to take a bit of a breather for a few days because we've been so full on. In related news, I Even let my Seeking membership lapse. Wtf? Coming up on our year anniversary and its still epic. Never had a gf like her.

[HumbleHal]

I would guess:

- phone number: most probable.

- credit card: not likely, as families can share credit cards (you and your brother for example). And you sign up for an account before you even add a credit card.

- address: not likely, for the same reason as above.

- name plus above: not likely that sophisticated.

- IP address: not likely because if you're using SA at work (a bad idea), your IP address would be the same as anyone else at work.

So get a free TextFree burner phone number and try making a new account with that and a new email address together.Apparently IP address does not matter. I put a different address number but same street, city and zip code for the credit card info and the charge went thru. Used a credit card that was different and put in a different first name on their pay page. Set up a Google Voice with a new, different phone number. And set up a new Google Email address. Worked this time with these changes. Thank you gentlemen!

[HumbleHal]

I would guess:

- phone number: most probable.

- credit card: not likely, as families can share credit cards (you and your brother for example). And you sign up for an account before you even add a credit card.

- address: not likely, for the same reason as above.

- name plus above: not likely that sophisticated.

- IP address: not likely because if you're using SA at work (a bad idea), your IP address would be the same as anyone else at work.

So get a free TextFree burner phone number and try making a new account with that and a new email address together.Yes, I am bad. I even got banned from Match.com and they own alot of other dating websites, so I am banned from all of theirs.

[Steve 9696]

I've started a tradition the last few years that is a win win win. I ask my top five girls what charity they want me to donate to for them and then donate 50-100 each depending on how aligned we are. It's a real win all around. The girls love it. Makes me feel good. And the charity wins too. High recommend — even if you start small with one or two girls and lower amounts. Everyone wins.

[AmericanPi]

I rarely have bad experiences on SA but had one this week. Had to share.

Was in Houston for work. Connected with this Asian chick, 22 and thin and decently cute. It was hard to get one there so I was happy to have a date.

The girl who showed up was not the girl in the photos. I mean she was, but like 40 pounds ago.

I should've guessed when she said she wanted pizza or pasta for dinner.

Figured what the hell. I've got nothing else going on tonight. Had dinner. Tried to drink a lot. Back at the hotel she got undressed and I just was not attracted in any way.

I tend to view each encounter as a risk because there are risks. Risk of disease even though I use condoms. Risk of a crazy stalker. Risk of other stuff. This was just not with the nut.

I told her I realized I'm too old for her and can't do it. She said she has no problem but I took the fictional moral high ground. Gave her half the money we agreed, about 200 dollars, just to part on good terms and because one risk I try to manage is someone complaining to Seeking and I get banned. Walked her to her car, said some nice lies like I think she's a great girl with a great future. Total lies. And then went back and sulked at my bad fortune.

Sometimes you come up snake eyes. Part of the game.

[TedFerguson]

Sometimes you come up snake eyes. Part of the game.I often have mediocre or bad experiences on SA. Comes with having high standards. These days I always do a video call before meeting. I've weeded out so many girls with doctored photos or gold digger attitudes. I don't feel inclined to roll the dice anymore, although I expect some of those who pass my screening will be weak in the bedroom.

[Mush Elvii]

I rarely have bad experiences on SA but had one this week. Had to share.

Was in Houston for work. Connected with this Asian chick, 22 and thin and decently cute. It was hard to get one there so I was happy to have a date.

The girl who showed up was not the girl in the photos. I mean she was, but like 40 pounds ago.

I should've guessed when she said she wanted pizza or pasta for dinner.

Figured what the hell. I've got nothing else going on tonight. Had dinner. Tried to drink a lot. Back at the hotel she got undressed and I just was not attracted in any way.

I tend to view each encounter as a risk because there are risks. Risk of disease even though I use condoms. Risk of a crazy stalker. Risk of other stuff. This was just not with the nut.

I told her I realized I'm too old for her and can't do it. She said she has no problem but I took the fictional moral high ground. Gave her half the money we agreed, about 200 dollars, just to part on good terms and because one risk I try to manage is someone complaining to Seeking and I get banned. Walked her to her car, said some nice lies like I think she's a great girl with a great future. Total lies. And then went back and sulked at my bad fortune.

Sometimes you come up snake eyes. Part of the game.Instances like these firm up my belief that SA in USA is high probability of bust than a good nut.

I never hoooked up via SA in US of A and probably never will as the girls, their shenanigans, amount of time to spend as well as rate they ask for is just not worth the hassle.

Those who are working through this, ............more power to them! Nothin against anyone's game!!

Merry Christmas!

[HumbleHal]

I often have mediocre or bad experiences on SA. Comes with having high standards. These days I always do a video call before meeting. I've weeded out so many girls with doctored photos or gold digger attitudes. I don't feel inclined to roll the dice anymore, although I expect some of those who pass my screening will be weak in the bedroom.If we exchange phone numbers then we exchange a few photos. Then complements. I tell them I will meet them for a meal, no promises. After we meet in person and feel interested I say we can talk about an arrangement. Most of the women then say they want some money up front or upon meeting. I say no. They ask what I am looking for, I say it depends on how we feel when we meet. They want to know what my range is, I say we have to meet first to see if we get that far. Its a game, back and forth. Then they say their time is valuable, I say my time is more valuable if they expect me to have more money to support them. Then one of us cancels. I have met 2 black women so far, first one had very large nose nostrils, second one looks like a street hooker. Neither one is what I am looking for. One White woman who met for a lobster dinner said she wanted $500 per meet, but that is above my limit when massage parlor girls are $200 a session.

So far nothing has landed in my fishing net that is worth keeping.

[DramaFree11]

Instances like these firm up my belief that SA in USA is high probability of bust than a good nut.

I never hoooked up via SA in US of A and probably never will as the girls, their shenanigans, amount of time to spend as well as rate they ask for is just not worth the hassle.

Those who are working through this, ............more power to them! Nothin against anyone's game!!

Merry Christmas!So, I also think SA is very tough in the states, but I have decided to give it another shot. I have accomplished some goals at work and moved downtown, so that makes dating a lot easier and also a little cheaper.

I have been so successful in Mexico, it is time to get back in the wagon in the states. I have had some good results over the years. I am very happy living in San Antonio and I am in Austin a couple of days a week for work, so I have the best of both worlds San Antonio / Austin, there are lots of single available women in both cities. Even if it does not work out and I meet some cool chicks I can still go to Mexico and fuck for a weekend. I will still stay on the every other weekend in Mexico.

I have learned from my mistakes ans I will now require Video Chats, no exceptions,(time is money), this will eliminate most of the scams, maybe not all them, but it will certainly help. Good luck and Happy Holiday's.

[Steve 9696]

If we exchange phone numbers then we exchange a few photos. Then complements. I tell them I will meet them for a meal, no promises. After we meet in person and feel interested I say we can talk about an arrangement. Most of the women then say they want some money up front or upon meeting. I say no. They ask what I am looking for, I say it depends on how we feel when we meet. They want to know what my range is, I say we have to meet first to see if we get that far. Its a game, back and forth. Then they say their time is valuable, I say my time is more valuable if they expect me to have more money to support them. Then one of us cancels. I have met 2 black women so far, first one had very large nose nostrils, second one looks like a street hooker. Neither one is what I am looking for. One White woman who met for a lobster dinner said she wanted $500 per meet, but that is above my limit when massage parlor girls are $200 a session.

So far nothing has landed in my fishing net that is worth keeping.If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

If you bump to $300-400 you could have some luck but your method is handicapping you. You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by. Fortunately for me I don't find most white women attractive. LOL. (And I don’t mean black either though. Latina and south Asian are my sweet spot with black after that and white dead last).

[The Cane]

If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by.Your post reminds me that I truly found a unicorn in Abby. A late 20's, hot, blue eyed blonde white chick who was hooking up with me for just $250 per meet with BBCIP! I mean just damn! We were bareback fucking from the get go for six months before she moved! I only did it because her tubes were tied. Sorry HumbleHal but I already found the needle, at least the one in that particular haystack LOL!

[AmericanPi]

I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner.Totally. This is my tactic too. I phrase it like the risk mitigation is mutual. That if we are both feeling it we can continue but if not I'll still offer a generous arrangement just to meet for drinks. But what I'm really saying is I will part with 25 percent to see her in person and decide there. It's the fee for the trouble to get out to me, dolled up and ready, since most of the time these girls don't live in the city centers I stay in when I travel. It seems fair.

[GileAders]

Where do you suggest staying while sugar dating in town?

Hotels. Any favorites? Or if elsewhere and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[AmericanPi]

Where do you suggest staying while sugar dating in town?

Hotels. Any favorites? Or if elsewhere and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.This is a no brainer. Hotels have reception. Screw that.

Get an Airbnb in condesa Roma Polanco juarez areas. Read the reviews to make sure no doorman.

Done.

[DramaFree11]

This is a no brainer. Hotels have reception. Screw that.

Get an Airbnb in condesa Roma Polanco juarez areas. Read the reviews to make sure no doorman.

Done.Airbnb works great in CDMX, great advice about a doorman. 90% of the time they do not bother you, but make sure you double check the visitor policy. I have had a couple of issues where access was denied for my visitors. Good luck.

[HumbleHal]

If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.

If you bump to $300-400 you could have some luck but your method is handicapping you. You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.

P.S. Yes white women have an inflated sense of their worth and will be much harder to come by. Fortunately for me I don't find most white women attractive. LOL. (And I dont mean black either though. Latina and south Asian are my sweet spot with black after that and white dead last).Yes, I splurged on the $500 pussy and was pleasantly surprised. She is now in my stable for once a week. Have tried one of the black girls with the big nostrils and boobs, but not sure when I will repeat with her if ever, she was a little weird trying to do a little dance in my apartment before and after sex and she was not very talented in the dance. Put off the black street walker looking woman for a few more days.

However there still are remarkable jewels in the $200 massage parlors for days when I want a cheap fuck. I am a value shopper, have more money that I could ever spend, so value is the answer not costs. My budget is what the woman is worth, although I do not tell them that or they will inflate their prices.

Most of the white women are dead fishes that expect us to pleasure them, they want their orgasm and figure we will cum anyway and be happy and all they have to do is lay there and moan a little when we do all the work.

[HumbleHal]

You are basically asking a girl for an extra free date and she doesn't even know what you will pay in the end. This is a HUGE leap of faith most girls won't take. I always put sex and payment (not in those words) on the table first date. That way she knows she has a potential payout and how much. I make it clear we can both walk no harm no foul after dinner. But at that point she's gotten dressed and driven across town etc so if you have some game she's 50% of the way there. My advice would be try swapping to this method if you up the $$.My time is worth a lot more than hers, so I am not afraid to tell them that. Its like a job interview, people do not get paid for the interview. It they don't like it then they lose. Have already met 3 in the past week and fucked 2 of them, one is a keeper. Why should you pay them $400 to meet? Idiotic. My time is worth ten times that much, it really is with my income, especially if they expect to make 400 if I want to get into their pussy, and they need to know that.

I do tell them that if we feel comfortable and some attraction we MAY go back to my place if we worth out the details, I. E. How many times a week, wearing rubber or not, how long they will stay, etc. , but also No Guarantees. I agree, if the photos are not representative of them I will simply say I am not interested and walk out. If they think that is rude, its as rude as posting old photos of when they were slim and wasting my time to dress, shit shower and shave for the meeting, and I do not waste my dick on fat girls, life is too short. And if they ask too many questions then I tell them I am not interested in being interrogated, and bye, they are no fun any more, but a mooch trying to take advantage of some sucker and getting a guaranteed payout.

[HumbleHal]

If your budget is $200 then def stick to MP. You are not going to find a nice SA girl in the US for $200. That is beyond needle in a haystack.I always start with $200 if the woman is not top tier and half the time they accept that amount. The black girl with big tits and nostrils accepted 200 and she was a fairly good fuck.

If the woman is top tier I ask what their last SD gave them and usually then tell me a figure that is $100 more than what he really paid them, so I tell them I am not rich (a lie) and say they should go back to their previous SD or accept $100 less and half the time they accept less. Women usually come up with some lame excuse why they are not able to go back to their previous SD, which is not true, like he moved away to another city. I have heard them all. But really they have the problems or they would be with their past arrangement, women normally do not want to leave a decent guy. Its the men that end it because they are bored with or sick of the girl and want something new.

[HumbleHal]

Just had one who wanted to know "have you ever had an arrangement before?" The woman is trying to scope you out and see if you are easy prey, naive as a first timer, stupid and will overpay, with that question. Do not answer, just go on with Your question or some other subject. These women are established Pros. They will try to get some money before meeting you and then never show up, or try to over price themselves.

Then I had one ask "what is your budget for the night?" and they want to know, before meeting, how much money you have and can give them if they fuck you. You cannot win if you answer this question with an amount. And you could be banned if you respond with a figure. I have been banned before, so I know. The best answer is either to turn the question off or turn it around. Either, "I will not know" "until we meet and see if there is chemistry and we feel good about each other" or to turn it around and answer, "what is your value / price?" which is just as rude as their question.

Every question has an answer inside it, or a trick. They really want to know if you are a cheap Charlie or rich and easy pickings, so you cannot give them a number or you are dumb. You have not met them, its like offering money to buy a car you have not seen in person- that is dumb.

Another trick question women have is, "How long since you been divorced?" This is often asked in person or on the phone to get a spontaneous answer. They really do not care how long, they just ask it to make sure you are not still married, and they get their answer in the back door by asking "how long since". If you hesitate then they say you are a liar, because it took so long for you to answer.

Women are a cunning breed. Us men need to stick together and share all the information on this website to know all the tricks they are conspiring against us all the time! They read women's magazines. They talk among themselves.

[The Cane]

Just had one who wanted to know "have you ever had an arrangement before?" The woman is trying to scope you out and see if you are easy prey, naive as a first timer, stupid and will overpay, with that question. Do not answer, just go on with Your question or some other subject. These women are established Pros. They will try to get some money before meeting you and then never show up, or try to over price themselves.

Then I had one ask "what is your budget for the night?" and they want to know, before meeting, how much money you have and can give them if they fuck you. You cannot win if you answer this question with an amount. And you could be banned if you respond with a figure. I have been banned before, so I know. The best answer is either to turn the question off or turn it around. Either, "I will not know" "until we meet and see if there is chemistry and we feel good about each other" or to turn it around and answer, "what is your value / price?" which is just as rude as their question.

Every question has an answer inside it, or a trick. They really want to know if you are a cheap Charlie or rich and easy pickings, so you cannot give them a number or you are dumb. You have not met them, its like offering money to buy a car you have not seen in person- that is dumb.Yes, never give a number first. What I used to do is turn it around and say, "What would make you happy"? Or, "What are you looking for"? One chick got mad and stopped talking to me. I didn't give a damn! Once you've given a number you've played your hand. You don't want to go first. Make them go first. After all you're not the one asking for money, they are! You already have it. And yes, never buy a car just from looking at it online! LOLOLOL!

[Maha Siddha]

I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?


It's been over 10 years since I've last been on the site. I started nearly 20 years ago when I made my first trip to the DR in 2003. I have been to Philippines (Cebu) , Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Tijuana and Vancouver BC. This site was always a resource for me. However, for the past 10 years I have been on Seeking Arrangement. I am just a 50+ overweight guy and I have had enormous success on that site.

I reside in the Nor Cal area and live a few blocks from a major university. At seems likes every year I meet a 20-22 year old junior or seniors who recently joined the site. My profile is pretty popular I used a pic of myself dancing in Buenos Aires, Argentina. At first I was surprised at the interest because in the hobby I am labeled as a "AA" so, it's difficult to get any action there.

When I get a girls number I check to see if it's an app number or an iPhone number (can't differentiate Android from app) So. If's it's blue I usually have more success. I either meet at Starbucks or at the mall when I am in San Diego. I like to meet first because it weeds out the the escorts (they don't meet for free) and am able to get a feel of their sexuality. For the most part, the girls I meet are highly intelligent but are somewhat short on funds.

In the early years on the site PPM was not used. It was based on monthly but they have phased that out along with your income. Having mongered for over 20 years It took a lot of hard work to finesse an Arrangement. You guys know how American women are. They conflicted with the money for sex thing. I will not take women on dates like I am actually dating them. I am pretty direct with them I like intimacy. When they say they don't want something transactional, I ask if they would feel better if I didn't pay them. That usually does the trick.

I don't meet at my place always a hotel. I like using UBER or Lyft it's great. My PPM ranges from $150- $500. I rarely pay the $500 it's number they through out. I usually pay $300 for bareback and it's totally GFE. The college girls some white but mostly Latinas like to swallow and MSOG.

When I am in San Diego it's much higher quality there and more women by far. The price structure is the same $300 + or less. The women in San Diego are so hot. Anywhere you go in warm month the women wear short shorts. I just happened to meet a 22 Blasian girl that had the sexiest legs with her butt hanging out. No matter who I meet in SD they almost always come like that. A.

After talking a bit I take them over to Victoria's Secret and they send videos of themselves in outfits. I pick something and we are off to the hotel. It's so awesome there I can't remember the last time I went to Tijuana. It's PSE on steroids. I can post pics if some of you are interested.

For those of you who haven't tried SA, I highly recommend it. I ask these young ladies when I meet them about dating older guys. Almost all of them say they have been dating older guys when they were in high school. A few of them before that. Most of them saying that they dated their teachers. It's not all about looks!

[KeviKev68]

I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?I haven't used SA in Tijuana before. There are so many hot women in San Diego there's no time for Tijuana. Before Sa I used to monger in Tijuana almost 20 years ago. Are you familiar with the club scene and zona Roja in Tijuana? My brother moved to San Diego 5 years and is total square. He made a trip across the border and he is a different man now. He knows the clubs and many of the people working in the clubs. Lot's of women from Colombia, Venezuela and other places in Central America.

The border is different now than when I first went there 20 years ago. When you cross into Mexico you have to show your passport and have your bags screened. You have to keep that in mind if you go there it takes a lot of time so you have hit the clubs.

It's a hard decision you might get messages from Tijuana but it wasn't worth the hassle for me. It depends on what you like and how much you want to spend. You can get 20 something Latinas on the US side for $200-$400.

[KeviKev68]

My time is worth a lot more than hers, so I am not afraid to tell them that. Its like a job interview, people do not get paid for the interview. It they don't like it then they lose. Have already met 3 in the past week and fucked 2 of them, one is a keeper. Why should you pay them $400 to meet? Idiotic. My time is worth ten times that much, it really is with my income, especially if they expect to make 400 if I want to get into their pussy, and they need to know that.

I do tell them that if we feel comfortable and some attraction we MAY go back to my place if we worth out the details, I. E. How many times a week, wearing rubber or not, how long they will stay, etc. , but also No Guarantees. I agree, if the photos are not representative of them I will simply say I am not interested and walk out. If they think that is rude, its as rude as posting old photos of when they were slim and wasting my time to dress, shit shower and shave for the meeting, and I do not waste my dick on fat girls, life is too short. And if they ask too many questions then I tell them I am not interested in being interrogated, and bye, they are no fun any more, but a mooch trying to take advantage of some sucker and getting a guaranteed payout.In my experience the girls who are escorts want money for their "time. " I most definately cast those types out. Also, they try to pose as college students because they don't have a real job. Or, they'll ask how long you want to meet for. The girls who are not pro's don't think like that.

[AmericanPi]

Seeking scene in Tijuana is mixed. It's not a huge market. If you do it a while you see it's the same girls over the long haul. They create and recreate accounts. And many of them are escorts on the side. Or I assume they are. Like the 19 year old hottie with fake boobs and thigh tattoos. It's not the same as cdmx. But there are diamonds in the rough there. It's just a smaller market so fewer true options. A city like Cdmx with 20 mm people has endless supply of girls popping up. Tijuana is like 10 percent of that size.


I used SA in CDMX and it had great success.

I am considering relocate to San Diego?

Hows the SA scene in Tijuana?

[AmericanPi]

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[Akibono]

In my experience the girls who are escorts want money for their "time. " I most definately cast those types out. Also, they try to pose as college students because they don't have a real job. Or, they'll ask how long you want to meet for. The girls who are not pro's don't think like that.I agree. Some may be less pros, but if they are watching the clock, they have no interest in a relationship. No sense in using SA to meet a pro. There are easier ways. I agree with Steve. If you find the gems, they are amazing because they trust you to take care of them. Yes, it is expensive compared to the pros, but compare that to a girlfriend you would be willing to marry. It is much cheaper. You are not responsible for caring for them for a very long term. Plus, I rarely find a pro that really likes sex. There are a few, but they have problems and are unstable. Sex is so much better when the girl is really into it, especially when you are taking a long trip with her. You can go again and again with the girl initiating the sessions. The gems are hard to find, but I would pay a lot when I find one. Being cheap does not pay. You have to make the girl feel special, and that takes time and money.

[Luminous]

Agree with everything you are saying. But have to add in the local costs also. If you don't have a place then the cost of the hotel.

Overseas trips do cost but you have to factor in the quality of women, how long they stay with you? Do you like having them stay overnight, travel with them, the adventure of visiting new places, news restaurants. On the other side you have to count for the time it's taking you to travel, missed work and opportunity cost of that.

No perfect answer, I personally prefer to travel.


Yes, but your time is worth something too, with the travel time to the airport, arriving 2 hours early at airport, then you have to pay for a hotel, air fare, etc. So Mexico City is an option, but you are paying one way or another to get a cheaper woman.

I told my barber I had gotten a haircut in the Philippines for only $2. 20. He said, "Well how much did the airfare cost to get that haircut?" Fucker retired during covid, now I use clippers myself and it seems to be a better solution, no waiting in the barber shop and decent haircuts.

[Maha Siddha]

I like to test the water of SA scene. What is the price range and how easy to get BBFS? It will be Phoenix maybe San Diego and Tijuana.

My imagine routine would be a video chat and then meet at a cafe for quick drink and then head to my hotel or Airbnb for the deed.

It is the same routine l used when l was in CDMX.

I would also told them what l expect like BBFS 2+ hours and the price.

Please advise?

FYI.

I had great success with cdmx sa during 6 weeks trip 2022 April.

The cost was $150 to $250 usd per 2+ hours. I had 13 girls all of them except one was BBFS.

[AmericanPi]

I have not had luck in the US. In Houston I got 2 girls for 400 each, but it took a lot of effort. To be fair I'm mid-40's and looking for girls under 25 so.

I have done Tijuana. Many times. It's a lot easier there. Girls need the money more. But the downside. You kinda don't know if the girls are escorts on the side. Many of them are I've found and this is just another advertising channel for them. So you just end up overpaying for taking an escort to dinner. Just look for the signs. A little too willing to show nudes. A little too conversant in the exchange. A little too much silicone. I guess just do your best.


I like to test the water of SA scene. What is the price range and how easy to get BBFS? It will be Phoenix maybe San Diego and Tijuana.

My imagine routine would be a video chat and then meet at a cafe for quick drink and then head to my hotel or Airbnb for the deed.

It is the same routine l used when l was in CDMX.

I would also told them what l expect like BBFS 2+ hours and the price.

Please advise?

FYI.

I had great success with cdmx sa during 6 weeks trip 2022 April.

The cost was $150 to $250 usd per 2+ hours. I had 13 girls all of them except one was BBFS.

[Maha Siddha]

Can you elaborate on a lot of effort?

Do you mean you have to dine and wine them before the $400 session?

If so, you had other girls just went out with you for the free meal and then did not come through?

Did you get BBFS with the two $400 girls?


I have not had luck in the US. In Houston I got 2 girls for 400 each, but it took a lot of effort. To be fair I'm mid-40's and looking for girls under 25 so.

I have done Tijuana. Many times. It's a lot easier there. Girls need the money more. But the downside. You kinda don't know if the girls are escorts on the side. Many of them are I've found and this is just another advertising channel for them. So you just end up overpaying for taking an escort to dinner. Just look for the signs. A little too willing to show nudes. A little too conversant in the exchange. A little too much silicone. I guess just do your best.

[Pk099]

My experience with SA in USA is not so good. Girls have GPS with high expectations and bad service. (I am also in 40's and prefer girls in 25 age range with slim body).

I did get some good vibes with black girls, but these girls are too much drama and not in good shape, but willing to provide BBFS.

Specially had lot of girls available a week before Christmas as they were looking for quick money for holidays.

I thin k Canada may be better option than US. I am talking to some girls in Toronto and Montreal and it looks promising.


Can you elaborate on a lot of effort?

Do you mean you have to dine and wine them before the $400 session?

If so, you had other girls just went out with you for the free meal and then did not come through?

Did you get BBFS with the two $400 girls?

[Steve 9696]

My experience with SA in USA is not so good. Girls have GPS with high expectations and bad service. (I am also in 40's and prefer girls in 25 age range with slim body).

I did get some good vibes with black girls, but these girls are too much drama and not in good shape, but willing to provide BBFS.

Specially had lot of girls available a week before Christmas as they were looking for quick money for holidays.

I thin k Canada may be better option than US. I am talking to some girls in Toronto and Montreal and it looks promising.Yeah the USA scene is going to be nothing like CDMX. Def $400 and up and other than straight up hookers. Yea prob dinner or at least drinks and BBFS is going to be a lot less likely.

I was just talking to a girl in a Midwest city. Black girl. Hottie. Nice chat. I figure let's try to get the $$ discussion behind us (on WhatsApp) and ask her what she's thinking. And she says what are you comfortable with. I normally think 400 min and 500 more likely these days. But I hear some guys get 300 so I figure I'll float that out there. 300. She says "300 is your offer including intimacy?" I guess she must have forgot the incredulous emoji because I texted back and she's ghosted me. 300 was clearly a stone cold insult to her GPS. Oh well. Next!

[Steve 9696]

So I had dinner out with my kids (not exactly kids anymore) recently and we decided to go to the restaurant where Layla (on again off again SB for two years) is the hostess. She requested to be a server that night and serve my table (I agreed) and so my sorta-Ex sorta-not (we fuck from time to time) was our server. She did an amazing job and avoided any spilling of the beans. But it was kinda awesome and naughty to have this girl I've fucked at least 30 times intersect with my family. And oh btw she looked hot AF. Feels amazing to have bedded that hottie!

Only on Seeking baby!

[Ucgdx]

Yeah the USA scene is going to be nothing like CDMX. Def $400 and up and other than straight up hookers. Yea prob dinner or at least drinks and BBFS is going to be a lot less likely.

I was just talking to a girl in a Midwest city. Black girl. Hottie. Nice chat. I figure let's try to get the $$ discussion behind us (on WhatsApp) and ask her what she's thinking. And she says what are you comfortable with. I normally think 400 min and 500 more likely these days. But I hear some guys get 300 so I figure I'll float that out there. 300. She says "300 is your offer including intimacy?" I guess she must have forgot the incredulous emoji because I texted back and she's ghosted me. 300 was clearly a stone cold insult to her GPS. Oh well. Next!300-400 for a black girl in the Midwest sounds right, even if she's under 25 and in great shape.

600+ for a cute white or Asian girl in SF or NYC.

[AmericanPi]

So I had dinner out with my kids (not exactly kids anymore) recently and we decided to go to the restaurant where Layla (on again off again SB for two years) is the hostess. She requested to be a server that night and serve my table (I agreed) and so my sorta-Ex sorta-not (we fuck from time to time) was our server. She did an amazing job and avoided any spilling of the beans. But it was kinda awesome and naughty to have this girl I've fucked at least 30 times intersect with my family. And oh btw she looked hot AF. Feels amazing to have bedded that hottie!

Only on Seeking baby!You got balls dude! That sound exciting but man talk about rolling the dice!