Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

Not all women care about age. Most of them looking for good life and easy money.

Came across this video, where a 63 yr old guy found a 23 year old SB on Tinder and they are together for 3 months. The SB ID so hot and still she is very down to earth and have no issues with age of her SD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoznXCSpgY&t=267sThat is totally not unusual at all. I am nearly that age and my home SB / mistress was 24 when we met and now 25. She doesn't see age at all that I can tell. She unabashedly introduces me to her friends as "my boyfriend Steve" and I hang out and play pool and smoke / drink with them from time to time. She's of course a gem but I don't think it's that uncommon.

I read an article in Wired a couple years ago that said about 50% of women want to date their own age (+10) and 35% don't really care too much about age and 15% strongly prefer a much older / wiser (and richer no doubt) man. No question most good SBs either look past or don't see the 35 year age gap as an issue.

[Steve 9696]

Two of my current SBs are Maya and Tea Gal.

Maya is someone I met several years ago. Long story short, we flirted, we hooked up, and then I became her BF / SD. Gave her a monthly allowance of $1200 per month. I was in heaven. She was super hot, great bod, and very, very GFE both in and out of the bedroom. But one day she got mad at me about something silly and dumped me. A little over two years later, she starts texting me suddenly, saying how she remembers our good times together. But I know she is desperate for money because she's been in and out of a job for the past two years due to China's zero Covid policies. And right now, she is only working part time, doing nails and eye lashes at a beauty salon. Well, surprise, surprise, we are now back together. Gee, I wonder why. And every time we meet (and this time I am going with PPM, as I now think montly allowance is a horrible idea), the sessions are great, can last for as long as I want them too, and it is very, very GFE, like old times.

Tea Gal serves tea in a tea house, and I met her about three or four years ago. She giggled at all my jokes, and so I got her contact and chatted her up for a week or two and then asked her to be my GF. She asked me what that entailed, and I explicitly told her it is a PPM arrangement. Well, she absolutely scoffed at that. I kept begging, and eventually she deleted my contact. I keep sending her friend requests to re-add my contact, but she ignores them. About a year goes by, and one day she suddenly accepts my friend invitation and we are chat buddies again, but I soon start asking her to my GF again and and keeps scoffing at it. But then, she too is in and out of work during China's zero Covid policies. Then a few days ago, she texts me and asks me why I have not texted her lately. I simply asked if we can meet at my apartment (I am currently renting an apartment to take gals to), and, as usual, she says no, but after some back and forth, she finally agrees as long as I am gentle, nice, and kind. I said sure. Next day, we meet, and wow, it was worth the wait gentlemen. Mid-20's, pretty face, fun personality, and an amazing bod. And it was very, very GFE.

And now, I text back and forth with them all day, every day, just talking about stuff. I am planning / hoping that I can meet them about 3 times per month, each. That should be enough for me.

Am I lucky to have Maya and Tea Gal? Yes. But are they my GF / SB because I can provide for them? Yes to that too.MW you and I been at this game a while. Warms my heart that the forum originator (u!) is still killing it with the ladies. I love that you have two regs and they completely meet your needs. They get what they want and you get what you want. And haters can hate all they want but those of us here know is it's about more than the money. These girls have a huge selection of men to choose from. And they chose you! It's not just dollars and cents. Or Yuan. You da man. And these ladies know it!

Actually come to think of it my London SB who I had ghosted got in touch via CashApp (sent me 1£ clever girl) and said she wanted to reconnect if only platonically. Said she missed chatting with me. So we are back to chatting daily and may hookup when I am next in London (I explained why I ghosted her and we cleared the air). Anyhow that def seems living proof that it’s about more than $£€¥.

[Elvis 2008]

Not all women care about age. Most of them looking for good life and easy money.

Came across this video, where a 63 yr old guy found a 23 year old SB on Tinder and they are together for 3 months. The SB ID so hot and still she is very down to earth and have no issues with age of her SD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CoznXCSpgY&t=267sHere is the two without the often nauseating commentary https://www.tiktok.com/discover/Cowboy-and-Angel?lang=en.

I have more to say about the commentator Paige Jennings than the couple, and she is a little better looking than I thought. LOL. She is here, https://twitter.com/rhrpaige.

This chick is narcissist like, and she is sticking out her ass everywhere, and it looks she has butt implants. It reminds me of an ex.

Any guy shelling out the kind of money for that gal Paige does not know what the hell they are doing. What is dumb about her is that she is pedaling these videos. She is an ex-stripper, and she is bringing a stripper attitude to the SB-SD game that is such a turn off. Every woman I have had that says they are good at something is at best average at it. I want the women who perform well and are humble about it.

I would make a comment about her going on too much about this couple's materialism but the couple's videos are promoting it.

Paige says, "I don't judge" when all she is doing is judging. The irony with Paige is when she gets away from herself she has some interesting things to say. All the guys who says we are too old should go to the 5 minute mark in the video. Yes, that is very often what dating guys her own age is like, and that is what having sex with them so often is.

Paige says the couple is not going to work out because of the hateful commentary. Maybe that is true, but the couple invites it. Their videos are not about sharing their life but rubbing in your face how much better they are than you. It is the social media equivalent of "look at me". They are inviting criticism.

The reason I do not think they are going to make it is because of the lack of respect they have for each other. With him, it is all about how hot she is and with her, it is all about the money and the fun. That is going to wear out after another few months and then it is if you really like spending time with the person. Maybe there is more there but I do not see it.

With the closet, this girl Willow takes up 90% of it and IMO she shows how selfish she is. My gal gave me half and I didn't say anything. My gal does not care if she flies first class, private jet, or middle row because her primary concern is being with me. Steve mentions that his gal loves doing the Netflix and chill thing and so does mine. That is what I want, and I think what most guys want, a woman who really likes being with you for you and not just what you can do for them. With this girl Paige, and I suspect this girl Willow, it seems like it is all you can do for them that is important.

[DramaFree11]

MW you and I been at this game a while. Warms my heart that the forum originator (u!) is still killing it with the ladies. I love that you have two regs and they completely meet your needs. They get what they want and you get what you want. And haters can hate all they want but those of us here know is it's about more than the money. These girls have a huge selection of men to choose from. And they chose you! It's not just dollars and cents. Or Yuan. You da man. And these ladies know it!

Actually come to think of it my London SB who I had ghosted got in touch via CashApp (sent me 1 clever girl) and said she wanted to reconnect if only platonically. Said she missed chatting with me. So we are back to chatting daily and may hookup when I am next in London (I explained why I ghosted her and we cleared the air). Anyhow that def seems living proof that its about more than $.Guys, well said. What we get back in return, from the girls on SA, you can not put a price tag on. Banging hot young girls, in my fifties is a dream come true. I read these guys complaining about our lives, I just shake my head, they really do not know what they are missing. I use to argue with them, but no more just a big waste of time.

SA is an amazing experience especially in foreign countries.

[Intelligencium]

Hello folks,

Thanks to this thread and all the recommendations, I recently signed up for SA. I will be going to Barcelona in summer, so started reaching out to some SBs. Since I'm very new to this, can someone experienced help me figure out the normal going rate for SBs in Barcelona? A ballpark amount is good enough. Any other tips? I'll be staying in a hotel, likely in the touristy area in BCN. Any specific hotels you recommend for both SB and WG visits?

Thank you so much!

[Gfefan]

Navarro has good hotels. But you will be fine with most hotels in BCN.

I did 200 for few hours and 300 for full evening / night. Girls were super happy with it. These are girls that value quality if time and how we treat them (respectfully).

There were girls demanding 100 to meet or 1000 for the night. I usually block them. So, you do have a broad spectrum out there. Pick what suits you.

If you speak local language, your options are higher.


Hello folks,

Thanks to this thread and all the recommendations, I recently signed up for SA. I will be going to Barcelona in summer, so started reaching out to some SBs. Since I'm very new to this, can someone experienced help me figure out the normal going rate for SBs in Barcelona? A ballpark amount is good enough. Any other tips? I'll be staying in a hotel, likely in the touristy area in BCN. Any specific hotels you recommend for both SB and WG visits?

Thank you so much!

[Intelligencium]

Thanks Gfefan. I'm starting to chat with a few (and they sound interested). When do you initiate price discussion? And when do you usually pay? After the deed? Or before, but once you are in the room?


Navarro has good hotels. But you will be fine with most hotels in BCN.

I did 200 for few hours and 300 for full evening / night. Girls were super happy with it. These are girls that value quality if time and how we treat them (respectfully).

There were girls demanding 100 to meet or 1000 for the night. I usually block them. So, you do have a broad spectrum out there. Pick what suits you.

If you speak local language, your options are higher.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks Gfefan. I'm starting to chat with a few (and they sound interested). When do you initiate price discussion? And when do you usually pay? After the deed? Or before, but once you are in the room?First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.This can get u banned for life cuz it smacks of prostitution which is illegal in many geographies and Seeking would get shut down. Always suggest talking on WhatsApp and discuss there. And try not to make it so transactional this is less important internationally but key in states. Like don't say we will have sex. Or I'll pay you $400. Be more indirect. Like "if we go out and have a great time and spend private time together, I'the want to give you a gift / allowance". That kind of thing.

Never ever pay up front. Actually what I do (learned this from briefly playing the pro scene in US) is put the $$ in an envelope and put it in plain sight under the ice bucket or lamp or something. Afterwards I slip it in their purse where they can see it or put it with their purse. Girls seem to really appreciate that you are not just handing them cash. Occasionally a girl will ask to pay up front. You should stick to your guns here and say I always pay after. Don't worry it's right there and point to the envelope. This is usually sufficient. Insistence on up front is a bad sign that the in room experience is about to suck. LOL.

[The Cane]

One nice touch is not to just hand over cash in an envelope. Include a nice card to go along with the money. This will allow your SB to feel less like a prostitute. This is important when dealing with non-pros.

[HumbleHal]

First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.This can get u banned for life cuz it smacks of prostitution which is illegal in many geographies and Seeking would get shut down. They "suspended my account" for life because I responded to a woman who talked about price and she turned me in. Now I have to get a new credit card and make a new fake email account, and get a new google phone number to get back on.

[Intelligencium]

First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.I guess that's why most girls move to WhatsApp as soon as they see potential.

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? How does that work? Is she expecting allowance along with flight, hotel, food expenses (that I will of course cover for both of us)? I prefer not to send money for her to travel to me, and rather meet at a common place and then go together. Haven't started discussing details yet, just doing homework here.

[Steve 9696]

I guess that's why most girls move to WhatsApp as soon as they see potential.

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? How does that work? Is she expecting allowance along with flight, hotel, food expenses (that I will of course cover for both of us)? I prefer not to send money for her to travel to me, and rather meet at a common place and then go together. Haven't started discussing details yet, just doing homework here.This won't end well. Trust me. She's not going to buy her own ticket. And you don't know her from fuckall. This can only end with your money in her pocket. Only travel a girl you know well! And even then it can backfire. I'm 5 for 6 but yeah one was a bad bust heartbroken mess and I thought I knew her well. But never travel a girl you don't know. Never.

P.S. Surely there are good girls wherever you are going?

[Rosebud1]

They "suspended my account" for life because I responded to a woman who talked about price and she turned me in. Now I have to get a new credit card and make a new fake email account, and get a new google phone number to get back on.You can download the seeking android app from the play store and pay with your old credit card or PayPal. I used my phone number from my blocked account. Downside is you cannot use the easily found, by searching on google, 20% off coupon.

www.privacy.com is another option if you do not want to get another credit card.

[AmericanPi]

I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?

[CarloRogue]

You can download the seeking android app from the play store and pay with your old credit card or PayPal. I used my phone number from my blocked account. Downside is you cannot use the easily found, by searching on google, 20% off coupon.

www.privacy.com is another option if you do not want to get another credit card.So I've recently tried to renew my SA account with a Secure Spend Prepaid VISA card (used to be called One Vanilla). It isn't working now and the help line hasn't been helpful. The only thing I'm trying to do is not connect my real name with the SA account (fears of an Ashley Madison breakdown), not trying to out-sleuth first-world state surveillance powers. The privacy.com option sounds intriguing. How does that work? TIA, CR.

[Intelligencium]

This won't end well. Trust me. ......

P.S. Surely there are good girls wherever you are going?Thanks for the advice! I am not going to proceed then. Yes, there are good girls where I am going (mostly). I was also hoping to step outside of major cities and visit some Alps destinations. Was thinking of getting company for that part of the trip. But I think I am getting greedy. Will be good to be alone for that part of the trip.

[CarloRogue]

I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?I have had multiple accounts in the past, one paid, one unpaid (for browsing purposes), without issue. But SA's algorithms and tracking methods are quite sophisticated from what I've read, so I don't doubt they know the two accounts are the same owner. There are more detailed explanations on the various city forums (Richmond, VA's especially) and I'm no IT expert, but if you're banned, it takes quite a bit more effort than just using a VPN, scrubbing cookries, and new photos to outwit the security measures. Best thing is to avoid the problem in the first place of course, by taking conversations off site as soon as possible. I also delete / block messages I receive that cross the line. SA doesn't give a damn about any individual paying user. They seem to default to permanent instant banning on any complaint, with no chance of stating your case. I think their number one concern is keeping the gravy train running as long as possible before it inevitably is rolled up. On a related note, I had a burner phone app ban me with no explanation or recourse. Lost years of messages and contacts. I presume it was over a complaint from a jilted POT I didn't pursue.

[Steve 9696]

I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?I actually set up a girl account just to see what they see. It's a bit too spooky tho trolling thru the desperate hoards of men. Didn't stay on very long. It freaked me out a bit. LOL.

[Pessimist]

First. Never ever discuss price on Seeking.This can get u banned for life cuz it smacks of prostitution which is illegal in many geographies and Seeking would get shut down. Always suggest talking on WhatsApp and discuss there. And try not to make it so transactional this is less important internationally but key in states. Like don't say we will have sex. Or I'll pay you $400. Be more indirect. Like "if we go out and have a great time and spend private time together, I'the want to give you a gift / allowance". That kind of thing.

Never ever pay up front. Actually what I do (learned this from briefly playing the pro scene in US) is put the $$ in an envelope and put it in plain sight under the ice bucket or lamp or something. Afterwards I slip it in their purse where they can see it or put it with their purse. Girls seem to really appreciate that you are not just handing them cash. Occasionally a girl will ask to pay up front. You should stick to your guns here and say I always pay after. Don't worry it's right there and point to the envelope. This is usually sufficient. Insistence on up front is a bad sign that the in room experience is about to suck. LOL.+1.

Good suggestions, all of them.

[Pessimist]

They "suspended my account" for life because I responded to a woman who talked about price and she turned me in. Now I have to get a new credit card and make a new fake email account, and get a new google phone number to get back on.For some reason, SA is tougher on new accounts. My account is over 6+ years old. I don't discuss price as a rule but I slipped and have discussed to some extent occasionally in the past such as "I do give allowance" or "my allowance is typically a few hundred a week ". They never banned me. Perhaps no girl ever reported me on that issue, which helps. I did have problems with a few girls here and there, they blocked me or I blocked them, some harsh words were said but was not a problem. But that said, it is absolutely a good rule to not discuss pricing on the forum especially not as a transactional price for something in return.

[Pessimist]

I've been on Seeking for over a year. Friggin love it. My account is probably getting stale now that it is over a year old. Frankly I don't even reach out to girls whose accounts are that old because they look like escorts and I'm sure I look like a john. I mean I guess I am but that's a different story.

I think I heard that Seeking can tell if you've created another account and they ban you for life. Like they can tell from your browser or facial recognition or something. I use a VPN, private browser, and prepaid card. But every once in a while I search without my VPN just because I forget to turn it on.

Also I want to lower my age on my profile.

Anyone find issues setting up and using multiple accounts? I see girls do it at times so I kind of think it must be ok?More than tunes, it is the fakers who get to me in a bad way. I hate having to wade through hundreds of fake profiles to find a few genuine girls. 6 years ago SA was not this well known and guys and gals were mostly genuine. Now, I think the fake profile percent is very high. Kinda sad but not unexpected for any popular site.

[HumbleHal]

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that? How does that work? Is she expecting allowance along with flight, hotel, food expenses (that I will of course cover for both of us)? I prefer not to send money for her to travel to me, and rather meet at a common place and then go together. Haven't started discussing details yet, just doing homework here.I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. I was twice her age, she was 27 and I was 65 m ok, I was about 3 times her age. Immediately the airline stewardess started looking at us funny, like I was trafficking her. The girl got an attitude and clammed up. Trip was hostile for all 3 days. I do not recommend travel with these hoors. They will turn on you if you don't spend enough money on them, and its all in their mind how much you must give them or spend on them. My advice, don't do it.

[Gfefan]

My advice. Definitely do not do it in the US. In or out or within.

Can't speak for Latin America but in Europe, I did. But, Steve's point is spot on. Do not ever send money. I never did that.

My girl from BCN. We met, we had amazing chemistry when I traveled to BCN. We did that few times and then, I booked her a flight (but borrowed Credit card from a friend to put distance on record). Then, for the safety of my friend, we complained "I don't recognize this transaction".

Bottomline: too many things to take care of. But, I did that only because I knew the girl really well and we had epic time (sex and otherwise) for the 4 days she was with me.

And, no. I did not pay for time. I paid for her food, travel and all together activity expenses. She went for a music event while I was at work and she paid herself. Super nice girl. She refused to take that money when I gave her.


I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. I was twice her age, she was 27 and I was 65 m ok, I was about 3 times her age. Immediately the airline stewardess started looking at us funny, like I was trafficking her. The girl got an attitude and clammed up. Trip was hostile for all 3 days. I do not recommend travel with these hoors. They will turn on you if you don't spend enough money on them, and its all in their mind how much you must give them or spend on them. My advice, don't do it.

[Steve 9696]

I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. I was twice her age, she was 27 and I was 65 m ok, I was about 3 times her age. Immediately the airline stewardess started looking at us funny, like I was trafficking her. The girl got an attitude and clammed up. Trip was hostile for all 3 days. I do not recommend travel with these hoors. They will turn on you if you don't spend enough money on them, and its all in their mind how much you must give them or spend on them. My advice, don't do it.I wouldn't go to this other extreme either. Traveling a girl can be awesome. Like I said I am five out of six and damn those five were totally worth it:

Thifany to London for a week. Honestly this was nuts. Met her at a Boate and fucked her and then her and her friend. Knew her a total of five hours. Flew her to London her first international trip. She is the IT girl. We had such a blast. We were getting sent thru the VIP rope and our entry comped on nights 2+. It was simply epic. I can post this story again if anyone wants. It's the best SA read ever (tho it wasn't strictly seeking).

Alexa to Miami. Epic. Pedicab with drinking wine from the bottle, cigars and Led Zeppelin. And off the charts sex.

Mika to Dallas. Moderately good. She had her period which was suboptimal.

Shayla to Miami. Helicopter ride and parasailing and amazing dinners and sex.

Sue to Croatia. Sex was just ok but what a great girl. Had a blast.

I highly recommend traveling a girl you know. Yes sometimes it's sand to the beach. But it's very good sand! 😜.

[Pessimist]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.

[Foolish]

There's a girl who is willing to travel with me. Anyone done anything like that?


I took a girl from seeking to Vegas a couple years ago. While new to the Seeking game (working on report), I got to ask some questions here. Thanks for sharing some of the failures / issues, but would like to see more details. I would like to travel with the great ones as well.

Intelligencium: is this a girl you've never met, IE just SK? I believe just in terms of process, there are universal rules that apply, from broad to more specific in terms of "escalation" in hobbying, not just SK / SBs.

1. Never ever pay up front.

2. Don't do overnights with girls you don't know (this might be better applied in Col vs Thailand, etc).

3. Never do threesomes with girls you don't know.

4. Don't travel with girls you don't know.

5. More escalation.

I know from Seeking / Sao Paulo threads, seems like overnights are pretty normal and safe (and some great value), but usually there's a lot of vibe checking in the club / dinner / facetime etc. Travel is just another escalation & more time to suffer if the relationship is already sour / poor. Start with a date, and then see what happens.

HumbleHal, how was the girl before the trip? Did you jive well on many occasions? I think from your experience and what Elvis has shared previously, there are some reality check conversations that might be helpful before travelling, IE the conversation with border / customs agents, flying together vs meeting there, how we met, purpose, etc.

From all the great reports here, for SK this is progression that I'm tweaking in my own process:

1. Online, you're just weeding out the real girls, ones you want to meet within a week or 2. As soon as you get a good vibe, go offline to WA or other medium to discuss details (arrangement, likes / dislikes, etc) for your first date. Then verify details / video chat, etc before wasting more time. Most guys seem to being aiming at dinner / drinks and approx up to 3/4 hrs (generally wouldn't be too strict on time, only the WG think like that, some will just stay over).

2. Date goes well / great, repeat or escalate. Date doesn't go great, rinse. Ha. Really I guess this applies to all women, regardless of where you met.

3. My first report will be a 24 HR date. Didn't start that way. But the next time I visit SP, will "consider" travel with this girl. She is demanding price-wise, but during our date was fabulous (can't think too much with GFE brain despite the great experience). Travel seems to be an interesting one in terms of dealmaking. GFEFAN, did you discuss like a daily allowance beforehand (and she just refused), or just went with the flow? I think I am like Steve, where I'd like to know ahead of time rather than have stickershock afterwards.

F.

P.S. This is a fantastic thread, please keep reporting the good & the bad. Cheers!

[DramaFree11]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.I have been flying girls in from CDMX to MTY, it works great. They stay 2-3 days, then I meet my regulars in MTY or meet new girls. I have the best of both worlds.

[MiamiBoy1]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily? In fact, when I tell SBs on seeking that I am in the city for just a couple of days, at least a subset of them are more eager to meet right away. Whereas if I message a SB in my home city and suggest a meet, she usually responds I am busy tomorrow etc and gives a runaround. When I'm in a city for just a couple of days, both the SB and I know it is transactional. Meet, have a nice time, sayonara. No complications, as it should be. Shortness of time in a new city brings clarity and focus to both parties.

Given that a key reason for using seeking or FKKs is the thrill of novelty, sex with new girls, I'd much rather have a new SB or multiple SBs in the cities I'm traveling to, rather than fly one from where I was.

However, I am not looking for any feel good emotional stuff out of these arrangements. Perhaps if you are looking for such, then traveling together, staying in hotels for multiple days etc perhaps adds some extra oomph. I'm not looking for it. When the deed is done, I want to sleep alone usually, don't want her to be there anymore as I might make phone calls, call family, do work, and she'd be absolutely a nuisance. Not to say I never had someone stay over in my room ever, but extremely rare and not something I seek or want. And I absolutely will not pay extra for staying over. And if there is no extra money for the staying over part, the girl too wants to beat it as soon as the sex is finished.Traveling with girls is another level of mongering. And this is not only about sex, I do enjoy doing tourist things with a girl, exploring places, going on tours, dining out, etc. There is no rush whatsoever. Unlimited sex, usually bareback. To me personally, the whole point of it is memorable experience. I might not remember most of my «transactional" SBs / pros, but I certainly do and always will, remember those I traveled with. Spending a few days with a girl you truly like, exploring new places together is unforgettable experience. Fuck the costs, we all live once LOL.

[Dj Tan]

Traveling with girls is another level of mongering. And this is not only about sex, I do enjoy doing tourist things with a girl, exploring places, going on tours, dining out, etc. There is no rush whatsoever. Unlimited sex, usually bareback. To me personally, the whole point of it is memorable experience. I might not remember most of my transactional" SBs / pros, but I certainly do and always will, remember those I traveled with. Spending a few days with a girl you truly like, exploring new places together is unforgettable experience. Fuck the costs, we all live once LOL."F the cost", you only live once.

I am in relation with a SB due to business trip in SE Asia. We did romantic getaway travel a lot like long weekend, school break etc, she is 2nd year law student. We have chemistry more than anything I had before with an SB. We chat almost everyday, though we are 8000-mile away right now. I am going back for yet another tenure in 2-months, can't wait.

Yes, the sex is unbelievable, we can do it 3-4 times a day, early morning, after bfast, after we come back from sight-seeing then another before bed. I think I had blue-ball syndrome right after 5-night trip once, not fun, but what the heck.

I've known her for 8-mo now, she even put IUD 4-mo ago, so I can come inside if I desire, but so far I don't dare.

BTW, funny story, I told her right after she has the IUD, I felt something in there, so the next week she went back to her OB and was told: "oh yes we forgot to tuck and hide that IUD tail, tell your BF sorry", LOL.

Sometimes, I am actually worried what happen if we have to say goodbye once of these days.

[Midwestern]

Traveling with an SB that I have already been with and that I trust, then. We can travel to a place together or meet there.

"Business trip" versus vacation. With a "business trip," I can do whatever I want during the day, and then drink with and sleep with my SB during the nights. Most of my business trips with an SB are fake business trips. I just want to bang other women during the day, or sightsee or do other things during the day. But there have been SBs that I enjoyed spending time with where I took them on short vacations, and this can be fun too, but it is rare for me to find an SB that I can spend all day and all night with.

One thing that I learned from traveling with an SB. I ask them to book their own room. I get my own room too. But I stay overnight in their room. I know this is fucking expensive, to pay for two hotel rooms, but there is a lot of benefits to this, which I do not think I need to explain, but if you do not see the benefits to this, then you can ask and I will explain.

I usually ask the SB to pay for the flight or train, and to pay for their hotel room, and I will reimburse them. I have also booked their flights myself. I try to avoid fronting them money to pay for travel and hotel, unless I know them really well. The hard part for me is to figure out how much additional money to give them. It is usually double their PPM amount, times the number of days.

But yeah, if I find a SB that I think is very fun and I think genuinely likes me, then traveling with an SB can be very fun, especially if I can spend some time away from her during the day.

[Elvis 2008]

What's the point of traveling with a girl? I do not get it. Look, for me SBs are strictly transactional. I am prudent in my spending and negotiate hard and look at the total cost inclusive of all the ancillary spend such as dinners, hotel rooms, gifts if included, and so on. Why fly SB x from place A to place be if I can use seeking to find new SBs in place be just as easily?I gave women $200 to $300 to hang with me for three of four days in Cancun. Getting a woman in Cancun costs that for an hour.

And if your visits are strictly transactional, you are missing out on the best sex there is. I have always said money is a minimum motivator. I don't want a woman who wants to suck my dick and say, "Well, I am not going to do that for you for less than $300. " I want one whom I have shown such a good time want to please me back.

I took three women to Xcaret in Cancun and they had so much fun they decided to pay me back and put on a show for me when we got back to our apartment and fucked and sucked the hell out of me. You could pay three women for a foursome but I guarantee you it would not be as good.

You really get to know someone when you take a trip. Many times I have dumped women after them, and many times the trips have made it us way closer.

I can see if you are married and had time issues why not to do it, but traveling has been when I have had the best sex and some of the most fun ever. Having a SB IMO is having fun with the women both in and out of the bedroom.

[Steve 9696]

Traveling with an SB that I have already been with and that I trust, then. We can travel to a place together or meet there.

"Business trip" versus vacation. With a "business trip," I can do whatever I want during the day, and then drink with and sleep with my SB during the nights. Most of my business trips with an SB are fake business trips. I just want to bang other women during the day, or sightsee or do other things during the day. But there have been SBs that I enjoyed spending time with where I took them on short vacations, and this can be fun too, but it is rare for me to find an SB that I can spend all day and all night with.

One thing that I learned from traveling with an SB. I ask them to book their own room. I get my own room too. But I stay overnight in their room. I know this is fucking expensive, to pay for two hotel rooms, but there is a lot of benefits to this, which I do not think I need to explain, but if you do not see the benefits to this, then you can ask and I will explain.

I usually ask the SB to pay for the flight or train, and to pay for their hotel room, and I will reimburse them. I have also booked their flights myself. I try to avoid fronting them money to pay for travel and hotel, unless I know them really well. The hard part for me is to figure out how much additional money to give them. It is usually double their PPM amount, times the number of days.

But yeah, if I find a SB that I think is very fun and I think genuinely likes me, then traveling with an SB can be very fun, especially if I can spend some time away from her during the day.I think we are all aligned that a trip w your lady is awesome. I remember a couple years ago when we started all this that MW you and I discussed what would be right for allowance in this situation. I've got a couple more visits under my belt and got to say the double PPM surprises me. The girls seem to understand the trip is expensive and adjust expectations accordingly. I've paid close to full PPM (but per day) in some cases but also done half PPM or with Shayla who is pretty much my mistress there was no PPM at all. For those of you embarking on this I kinda keep the lingo away from PPM and also lower expectations due to trip cost. I say something like "Obviously the trip is a bit expensive but I'the want to give you some daily spending money, like $200/ day. " This has worked in the past because I think the trip is exciting for them.

About to try this with Smoke Show who is a legit model but we've only spent a few hours together. She's already said she'the travel with me. Recall she wanted 1000€ our first date but said 400 was ok with no overnight. Of course she hadn’t met me yet (!) and We will be going to a pretty awesome destination. I doubt she'the take less than 400/ day (if she even takes that) but we shall see.

MW. Totally mystified by the two rooms thing. I adore cuddling my girl all night and think she would be shocked and insulted if I suggested separate rooms. Maybe this is a cultural thing? Do tell us more. I am quite puzzled.

[Dj Tan]

I am not him, but I guess he tries to not get emotional attachment to his SB. Not a bad idea actually, to keep a little distance and keep it like business transaction. Cause at the end we have to say goodbye, it could be easier than with what I am doing right now.

[Foolish]

Funny enough, I used to be against the whole overnight thing, because I value sleep more than the ladies! Haha. I guess I am fairly fragile when it comes to rest, so the "numb arm" isn't my favorite, even if I love cuddling while awake. With my first Seeking (that happened to go overnight), I wasn't thinking snuggle, I was just trying to get some sleep, even though she was totally up for "hugging" all night. The thought of having sex and possibly going to my own room afterwards is a bit strange sounding, curious as well (I'm definitely cool with overnights if I can sleep ok now).

That being said, in chatting with a bunch of boate / Scandallo regulars, I'm trying to figure out a similar / complementary "daytime" program, which is probably more SB territory?? I like the idea of the club set ups, but after travelling overnight and then staying up looking for the ladies, and then having bedroom action, it feels like I'm on the graveyard shift. Am I the only one? I used to go clubbing all the time, but mainly because I knew so many people socially and I enjoyed the music. Now, I would be going in spite of the late nights and loud music to meet the fine ladies. Mind you, it's also because of some mandatory morning meetings I have that really don't help. I guess once you have contacts, some might be into going for lunch and afternoon action or dinner / early evening or doing touristy things.

Back to travelling: I could see needing a break from my companion if I wasn't 100% into her or I was super introverted / need tons of variety. Why not threesomes, ha? I have found that if the bedroom action / pillow talk and dinner / drinks works well, hanging out all the time usually isn't a problem until an issue arises.

Good points on the non-transactional approach to giving "spending money" and hopefully the good bedroom results. Interesting how a short trip is also the next-stage interview, ha!

[Midwestern]

Topic 1. Why I get two rooms when traveling with an SB.

This is when I tell the SB that I am going on a business trip and invite her to come with me (but half the time it is a fake business trip). And so she understands that I need to have my own room. But why do I get two rooms? Here is why.

First, I just cannot spend 24 hours a day with anyone, including a fun young hottie. Eventually, I need to catch my breath and have some alone time. I guess I can make an excuse and go out on my own, but most of the time I just want to chill in the room, catch up on work on my laptop, reply to emails, call someone, watch tv, take a nap. I want my own room to do this. And so, when I get tired of her, or want to be alone, I tell her that I have to go to work, but really I just go to my own room. So I get two rooms. She gets her own room.

Second, I definitely do this if I am trying to hide my true identity. If we book one room for the two of us, then there is almost no way to hide my identity from her, especially for several days in a row.

Third, I just do not want to worry about something unforseen. Maybe someone like my family calls my room and I am out while my SB is in the room and she picks up the phone. Or maybe she leaves her panties in the room and when I return home the hotel mails the panties to my home. Or maybe she just destroys the room, LOL, I do not know. I just do not want to worry about any of this shit.

Fourth, if it is a real business trip, then of course I cannot have her staying in my room. Too many times, my colleauges will say, "let's discuss this in your room" or "let's have a drink in your room before we go out for dinner' etc.

BUT, I crash in her room every night, that's for damn sure. Sleeping with her is one of main reasons for traveling with her. And ideally we did some partying before going to bed. Not just because I love having a good time with a gal, but one of my favorite things is drunk sex.

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

I agree with everything that Steve said. We should not have to gift them a ton of "spending money" because we are paying for their travel, accomodations, meals, and fun times. Off the top of my head, I can recall four SBs that I took short vacations with. This was when I was at the home office in the states. I did not give them much spending money because they were all stoked to take a vacation and have a fun time. But there were some exceptions. For example, what if they have a job and then they have to take time off from work? What if they are an hourly worker? Then reimbursement for lost wages becomes a factor.

However, for me NOW, when I travel with an SB, they are mostly fake business trips (see my comments on topic 1 above). And so, to caculate the gift money on top of reimbursing travel and hotel room, I think about their possible lost wages, AND I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do, and how they are essentially on call for my needs. As Steve mentioned, he and I discussed this topic in some details a couple of years ago. I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?

[AmericanPi]

Actually that's totally logical.

I have done all day sessions with girls before. Afternoon through following morning. And what you're describing is exactly what happens. These are not worldly girls. Let's be honest. For the most part they're simple people. And so you have to really carry the conversation if it's going to be any good. Last date I had the only thing that animated this girl was when she was talking about this crappy reality tv show she watches. If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.


Topic 1. Why I get two rooms when traveling with an SB.

This is when I tell the SB that I am going on a business trip and invite her to come with me (but half the time it is a fake business trip). And so she understands that I need to have my own room. But why do I get two rooms? Here is why.

First, I just cannot spend 24 hours a day with anyone, including a fun young hottie. Eventually, I need to catch my breath and have some alone time. I guess I can make an excuse and go out on my own, but most of the time I just want to chill in the room, catch up on work on my laptop, reply to emails, call someone, watch tv, take a nap. I want my own room to do this. And so, when I get tired of her, or want to be alone, I tell her that I have to go to work, but really I just go to my own room. So I get two rooms. She gets her own room.

Second, I definitely do this if I am trying to hide my true identity. If we book one room for the two of us, then there is almost no way to hide my identity from her, especially for several days in a row.

Third, I just do not want to worry about something unforseen. Maybe someone like my family calls my room and I am out while my SB is in the room and she picks up the phone. Or maybe she leaves her panties in the room and when I return home the hotel mails the panties to my home. Or maybe she just destroys the room, LOL, I do not know. I just do not want to worry about any of this shit.

Fourth, if it is a real business trip, then of course I cannot have her staying in my room. Too many times, my colleauges will say, "let's discuss this in your room" or "let's have a drink in your room before we go out for dinner' etc.

BUT, I crash in her room every night, that's for damn sure. Sleeping with her is one of main reasons for traveling with her. And ideally we did some partying before going to bed. Not just because I love having a good time with a gal, but one of my favorite things is drunk sex.

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

I agree with everything that Steve said. We should not have to gift them a ton of "spending money" because we are paying for their travel, accomodations, meals, and fun times. Off the top of my head, I can recall four SBs that I took short vacations with. This was when I was at the home office in the states. I did not give them much spending money because they were all stoked to take a vacation and have a fun time. But there were some exceptions. For example, what if they have a job and then they have to take time off from work? What if they are an hourly worker? Then reimbursement for lost wages becomes a factor.

However, for me NOW, when I travel with an SB, they are mostly fake business trips (see my comments on topic 1 above). And so, to caculate the gift money on top of reimbursing travel and hotel room, I think about their possible lost wages, AND I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do, and how they are essentially on call for my needs. As Steve mentioned, he and I discussed this topic in some details a couple of years ago. I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?

[Steve 9696]

Actually that's totally logical.

I have done all day sessions with girls before. Afternoon through following morning. And what you're describing is exactly what happens. These are not worldly girls. Let's be honest. For the most part they're simple people. And so you have to really carry the conversation if it's going to be any good. Last date I had the only thing that animated this girl was when she was talking about this crappy reality tv show she watches. If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.Ah MW. I get the two rooms now. It's not two bedrooms. It's one bedroom and an office / hideout. That def works if you can afford it (which apparently you can!

On the $$/ day I just don't see paying that much. I guess it depends on geography tho. Like I paid Thifany $1000 for the week. Which isn't bad coin for a brasileira. But if I have a US girl at 500/ night I can't see paying her $1000/ day for 4 days or even $500/ day. Maybe 1200 for 4 days or something. I guess it just depends on the sitch. But 1. 5-2 x is out of the realm of possibilities for me.

[Midwestern]

If I could have shelved her till sex time I would have.LOL. Yep, that's how I feel with many SBs. However, I have found some that I can actually hang out with though, but that's because they are either funny and fun, and / or it is because they love to drink.


On the $$/ day I just don't see paying that much. I guess it depends on geography tho. Like I paid Thifany $1000 for the week. Which isn't bad coin for a brasileira. But if I have a US girl at 500/ night I can't see paying her $1000/ day for 4 days or even $500/ day. Maybe 1200 for 4 days or something. I guess it just depends on the sitch. But 1. 5-2 x is out of the realm of possibilities for me.Upon some reflection, you are totally right. One of my favorite SBs in the states was 400 PPM, but she came out to meet me on a business trip and I gave her 1000 total for 4 days, so only 250 per day, even though her PPM was 400. I did similarly with other SBs in the states. This logic works out because my SBs were not meeting SDs every day, and so gettting 250 for 4 days in a row was a good deal for them.

I now figured out my error on how I landed on 1. 5 to 2 times PPM when traveling with a gal in China. The first gal that I traveled with was someone who had recently retired from being a WG. She had worked for an outcall agency and was used to meeting two johns per day, three weeks per month (the other week was time off due to aunt flo visit). After she retired from being a WG, she moved back to her hometown, bought a condo, and got engaged. But she and I always hit it off and when I asked her to meet me, she said yes, and that is when I started struggling with how much to give her. It was at that time when you (Steve) offered your ideas on what to pay. Somehow, I came up with 1. 5 times her PPM rate times number of days. I thought this was fair given what she used to make as a WG. Anyway, since then, I have traveled with other gals in China, and now that I think of it, they did seem pleasantly surprised by how much I gave them, and so I guess I have been overpaying while in China. I wish I can travel with the SBs that I currently have (both young with rocking bods) to see what they would accept. Neither is a WG. The are both PPM arrangments. I bet they would take about half of the PPM rate per day times the number of days. But given that both do not drink, I have no desire to travel with them.

BTW, one problem with traveling with SBs, to play devil's advocate, is that quite often we have very incompatiple sleeping schedules. Many SBs stay up late until 2 am or 3 am or even 4 am, looking at their phones, and wake up at around 10 am or later. But for me, I go to bed usually at around 11 pm and wake up at 6 am or 7 am.

[Midwestern]

I am not him, but I guess he tries to not get emotional attachment to his SB. Not a bad idea actually, to keep a little distance and keep it like business transaction. Cause at the end we have to say goodbye, it could be easier than with what I am doing right now.After I read your last sentence, I re-read some of your earlier posts. Seems like you are totally into your SB. I think most of us have fallen in love with a WG or SB. I know I have. I remember one time when I was working in SE Asia, I took a short vacation and took one of my favorite WGs with me. While we were laying on the beach, I noticed a lot of thin scabs on her legs. I immediately recognized what they were, she was a cutter, someone who cuts themselves. I asked her about the scars, and she said that she hates her life and so she cuts herself. Man, I immediately fell in love with her as soon as she told me that. At the end of our trip, I gave her an extra 3 grand USD. She could not believe it. I stopped seeing her, but I did not feel guilty about it becuase I gifted her so much cash. But one day I ran into her, and she begged me to marry her. She said she wanted to make a family with me. She had a ring on her finger, it was made up of two rings that snapped together. She took one ring off and gave it to me. She said these two rings will find a way to be together again. For the next several years, she would text me every once in a while, but I ignored her. This all happened over ten years ago. Guess what? About a month ago, I somehow came across her ring. Made me feel a bit sad.

But now I am totally jaded. I might sometimes feel sorry for some gals, but that is the most that I will feel for a gal these days.

[AmericanPi]

Your post speaks to a dynamic we don't talk about it because it's not comfortable.

The reality is, if you're on the male side of this equation, you probably have a career and resources and a future.

On the other side, maybe some are just paying for their university studies, but most are living the kind of lives they will still be living in 15 years. Doing nails or hair, retail, etc. Every once in a while, you realize you're being looked at as a potential off ramp. Not always but sometimes.

A year ago in Mexico a girl started to try to BB me. I know some of you are into it, but that's not my jam. It immediately set off alarm bells, like "oh she wants be pregnant."


After I read your last sentence, I re-read some of your earlier posts. Seems like you are totally into your SB. I think most of us have fallen in love with a WG or SB. I know I have. I remember one time when I was working in SE Asia, I took a short vacation and took one of my favorite WGs with me. While we were laying on the beach, I noticed a lot of thin scabs on her legs. I immediately recognized what they were, she was a cutter, someone who cuts themselves. I asked her about the scars, and she said that she hates her life and so she cuts herself. Man, I immediately fell in love with her as soon as she told me that. At the end of our trip, I gave her an extra 3 grand USD. She could not believe it. I stopped seeing her, but I did not feel guilty about it becuase I gifted her so much cash. But one day I ran into her, and she begged me to marry her. She said she wanted to make a family with me. She had a ring on her finger, it was made up of two rings that snapped together. She took one ring off and gave it to me. She said these two rings will find a way to be together again. For the next several years, she would text me every once in a while, but I ignored her. This all happened over ten years ago..

[HumbleHal]

Now the girls are asking for 500 or more. One told me she wanted 1500 bi-weekly for 2 get togethers (sex). I told her she was had "over valued herself".

The other girl thinks she are worth 500 so I countered at 400 with one and she accepted last night, she was chubby without clothes on and required me to use a condom for the pussy hole, so I could tell she was a pro. I am going to ghost her.

Another said she was worth 500 and I met her at a restaurant briefly, she looked ok. In the bedroom she was very fat, turned out she was 7 months pregnant, and I could not keep an erection because of that and her comments every 2 minutes that I could not keep an erection. I dropped her the next day, texted her and her response was "why?" I said it was obvious my body did not respond to her pregnant body and pecks on the lips, no passion.

The girls are becoming more like prostituties and no longer students, young professionals or normal young women. They all start at 500 for a sad fuck, no passion, just dead fish in the bedroom. Sad.

[Midwestern]

A year ago in Mexico a girl started to try to BB me. I know some of you are into it, but that's not my jam. It immediately set off alarm bells, like "oh she wants be pregnant."A couple of years ago, I had an SB that was so into me, loved sex, and was hot with a great bod. The super weird thing was how easy it was to get her to be my SB and how she was totally happy to BB. I kept thinking that this was too good to be true. Well, I eventually found out that she was trying to get pregnant. Why she wanted to get pregnant is another story altogether.

About 9 years ago, when I first started using SA, I had an SB tell me that she discovered SA from a friend of hers that used SA. She said to me that her friend's SD accidentally got her friend pregnant, and that she decided to have the kid, and now the SD has to give her friend money every month and so her friend doesn't have to work, and how lucky that was for her friend. I fucking freaked out and decided to stop seeing her soon thereafter.

[Chicago85]

Topic 2. What to pay an SB when traveling with her.

....... I MOSTLY think about how they are going to spend many hours every day on their own in a strange city without any friends and without anything to do ........ I eventually landed on paying them 1. 5 to 2 times what I give them for PPM. How did I come to this figure? Well, the market rate in China for overnight with a WG is 3 times their PPM rate. But my SBs are not WGs, and so they do not expect 3 times. But I figured that if I am giving them X amount for a couple of hours, then I should give them 1. 5 to 2 times that amount for 24 hours. Especially since I abandon them for much of the day. In addition, a couple of my SBs have to get up early and then travel all day to meet me at our destination, and so I kind of feel bad about that.

What do you guys think?In Colombia it has depended on what else I was paying for. I haven't done it a ton, but scenarios below.

1) Had a favorita from Barranquilla meet me at a resort near Santa Marta ( 1 HR away) by bus. Before travelling I asked her, her rate for that period, and she said she had never done the travel thing before and didn't know, so I actually proposed 1 x PPM for the weekend which was essentially 2 days. She went for it and we were together 24 x7. I think sex only 3 x (Friday night, Saturday 2 x, and Sunday left early). I ended up giving her approximately 1. 25 x PPM for the entire time and she seemed disappointed. She stopped responding to me shortly thereafter lol.

2) Flew a favorita from Medellin to Punta Cana for 4 days at resort. I paid for her flight and everything else. It was her first time leaving Colombia and we agreed to no cost and I spoiled her when she was with me. Lots of GFE sex the entire time. She got a large number if IG photos which she liked, a dress, and we had some incredible dinners and a boat ride. We are still in touch although she has a regular guy.

In Brazil, just one experience.

3) Had a favorita that I'd know for only a week in Copacabana, Rio join me at a Hyatt resort for the 3-day weekend that was about 45 minutes away. We agreed that I'd pay her 1. 5 x PPM per day. I think she enjoyed being able to take IG post pictures more than anything. I paid for all food, drink, a swimsuit, and a massage. This was Thursday afternoon through Sunday noon and paid her 4.5 PPM for ~6 sessions over those ~3 days. She was very happy.

In each scenario the girl was 21-26, no kids, with me 24x7 and very GFE. Most were working and studying a bit on the side so no complications or cost with kids.

[AmericanPi]

A couple of years ago, I had an SB that was so into me, loved sex, and was hot with a great bod. The super weird thing was how easy it was to get her to be my SB and how she was totally happy to BB. I kept thinking that this was too good to be true. Well, I eventually found out that she was trying to get pregnant. Why she wanted to get pregnant is another story altogether.

About 9 years ago, when I first started using SA, I had an SB tell me that she discovered SA from a friend of hers that used SA. She said to me that her friend's SD accidentally got her friend pregnant, and that she decided to have the kid, and now the SD has to give her friend money every month and so her friend doesn't have to work, and how lucky that was for her friend. I fucking freaked out and decided to stop seeing her soon thereafter.I sometimes see posts on here that sound like "that's not my girl. My girl is different. We have something special. " And I enjoy the read but still roll my eyes a little.

Most of these girls, not all, know their lot in life. And it's not good. If your job consists of showing up to the swap meet 4 days a week and selling fake jewelry, chances are you wake up at 50 still doing that. And they know it. Because they do it with their mom. And there are few off ramps. And you might just be one. Because you show up with your nice shoes and passport and nice hotel room and it's clear you have a connection to a better place. Ain't nobody want to marry you but it's like wanting that first job and meeting an exec at a big company. You don't know how but that guy can enter you into the world.

Any guy who doesn't recognize that power differential in this relationship and thinks they're just 2 equals on a relationship journey together is willfully ignorant. Not saying do anything different. Just saying recognize what's happening in front of your eyes.

[Dj Tan]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-lawyer-s-license-was-suspended-after-he-tried-to-sue-his-sugar-baby-for-166-million/ar-AA1axTyf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=5aa549fe263c4910882e67936ca6a780&ei=40

[Gfefan]

I did not intend to but it worked that way.

This is a real sweetie I met a few times while traveling. Great chemistry, great sex. And, best part. I enjoyed having her around even after finishing.

A few months in, I was telling her on phone that I am traveling and it would be fun if she joined. She said "Give me at least two weeks heads up. I need to get time off from my manager".

It was rheroric from me but she thought I was being serious. Then, I also said rhetoric "Hmmm. I am not sure I can pay your ppm as well as your expenses".

She went "Babe, forget it. I love spending time with you. On top of it you AR taking me somewhere. Money is not needed".

Thats how it went. I never intended to ask but I got lucky.

Mind you, this is a super sweet girl never asks me for money. And I never ask her for sex. We just give each other.

There was this trip where we went out in sun, back in room. I went to shower. Left door open (hint). She walks in few minutes later, undresses right outside the shower glass, walks in and hugs me from behind. I feel her whole body behind me and I am already hard. She plays with my dick for a while, and then, I grabbed her, put her against the wall, and entered her pussy from behind slamming her cute ass. Finished on her ass in the shower.

We step out, jump on bed and. Round 2. Epic sex with CIP. (She has IUD).

It is these memories (like Steve says) I will take to my grave.

Sadly, I don't enjoy sex at home anymore. Side effect, though.


While new to the Seeking game (working on report), I got to ask some questions here. Thanks for sharing some of the failures / issues, but would like to see more details. I would like to travel with the great ones as well.

Intelligencium: is this a girl you've never met, IE just SK? I believe just in terms of process, there are universal rules that apply, from broad to more specific in terms of "escalation" in hobbying, not just SK / SBs.

1. Never ever pay up front.

2. Don't do overnights with girls you don't know (this might be better applied in Col vs Thailand, etc).

3. Never do threesomes with girls you don't know.

4. Don't travel with girls you don't know.

5. More escalation.

I know from Seeking / Sao Paulo threads, seems like overnights are pretty normal and safe (and some great value), but usually there's a lot of vibe checking in the club / dinner / facetime etc. Travel is just another escalation & more time to suffer if the relationship is already sour / poor. Start with a date, and then see what happens.

HumbleHal, how was the girl before the trip? Did you jive well on many occasions? I think from your experience and what Elvis has shared previously, there are some reality check conversations that might be helpful before travelling, IE the conversation with border / customs agents, flying together vs meeting there, how we met, purpose, etc.

From all the great reports here, for SK this is progression that I'm tweaking in my own process:

1. Online, you're just weeding out the real girls, ones you want to meet within a week or 2. As soon as you get a good vibe, go offline to WA or other medium to discuss details (arrangement, likes / dislikes, etc) for your first date. Then verify details / video chat, etc before wasting more time. Most guys seem to being aiming at dinner / drinks and approx up to 3/4 hrs (generally wouldn't be too strict on time, only the WG think like that, some will just stay over).

2. Date goes well / great, repeat or escalate. Date doesn't go great, rinse. Ha. Really I guess this applies to all women, regardless of where you met.

3. My first report will be a 24 HR date. Didn't start that way. But the next time I visit SP, will "consider" travel with this girl. She is demanding price-wise, but during our date was fabulous (can't think too much with GFE brain despite the great experience). Travel seems to be an interesting one in terms of dealmaking. GFEFAN, did you discuss like a daily allowance beforehand (and she just refused), or just went with the flow? I think I am like Steve, where I'd like to know ahead of time rather than have stickershock afterwards.

F.

P.S. This is a fantastic thread, please keep reporting the good & the bad. Cheers!

[BlueEyesFun]

Has anyone had problems paying for SA using a privacy.com or other private credit card? Don't want to use my real credit card for obvious reasons. Any suggestions?

[Clone8884]

Flew a girl from CDMX to Tijuana. I live near the border so it was easy for me to drive there. Got us an oceanfront Airbnb. My Spanish is garbage and it really made me realize I need to spend more time practicing. I had a good 3 days with her but I am not sure I will meet her again. I have met non English speakers before but have only spent the night with them. Spending 3 days with them is an entirely different thing. We had lots of sex which was great but ended up just spending a lot of time at the Airbnb watching anime with dubbed English and Spanish subtitles (she loves anime). While we were checking out of the Airbnb she asked me to pay her cash directly which was something we never agreed upon before. It threw a big wrench in the experience and made me a bit disappointed. Of course I did not pay her because that was never agreed upon before but it made me feel she was ungrateful. I spent around $1100 for the 3 days which included the Airbnb, her flight, food, drinks, gas, uber and some clothes shopping for her at the mall.

I had a good time but the language barrier really made it difficult. I am willing to meet someone with a language barrier but not more than 1 night. In the future that will be one of my criteria for flying girls out for a multiday trip.

[Intelligencium]

Hi Folks,

I will be coming to Europe for about 12 days (14 days incl transit) in June. Landing and flying back from Frankfurt. I have been reaching out to girls on SA and have been getting a decent amount of positive response so far. Positive here means they are adding me to their favorites, quite a few are chatting with me (on SA, telegram and WA) and expressed interest in meeting up when I visit their city.

Here's the dilemma: given the limited number of days, should I dedicate most of the days to visit cities with good SA potential, or should I also reserve some days to go visit FKK Clubs in Frankfurt, Cologne and Zurich?

I have never done either before. I am turned on by GFE, especially DFK. I am not into tall girls, since I am myself not very tall. I will visit FKK Sharks once for sure (the day I land). I may visit it once more the day I am leaving Europe.

Pros / Cons:

FKK Clubs sound like heaven. Surrounded by naked, hot girls IS heaven. But, these girls are probably not going to give GFE, and likely to be a hit or miss. Also likely to be tall?

SA potentials are really hot, and will likely give GFE. I can also have a connection with them over dinner, drinks etc, and may be some of them can accompany me to their local tourist spots (so that I am not alone), which sounds exciting to me. Almost like having new GFs every day. But they will be more expensive than FKK visits (not a significant concern) AND (the big one) they may or may not show up. They may or may not be good at sex. They may smell. They may be crazies. Hahaha.

Really confused. What do folks here think?

[AmericanPi]

You should definitely go to Frankfurt for a few days and experience an FKK. The best are Sharks and Oase. Don't read too much about them in advance. Save the surprise. I'm more of a seeker but trust me you don't want to miss the FKK experience in your life and Frankfurt has the biggest.

PM me if you want details since this isn't a FKK board.


Hi Folks,

I will be coming to Europe for about 12 days (14 days incl transit) in June. Landing and flying back from Frankfurt. I have been reaching out to girls on SA and have been getting a decent amount of positive response so far. Positive here means they are adding me to their favorites, quite a few are chatting with me (on SA, telegram and WA) and expressed interest in meeting up when I visit their city.

Here's the dilemma: given the limited number of days, should I dedicate most of the days to visit cities with good SA potential, or should I also reserve some days to go visit FKK Clubs in Frankfurt, Cologne and Zurich?

I have never done either before. I am turned on by GFE, especially DFK. I am not into tall girls, since I am myself not very tall. I will visit FKK Sharks once for sure (the day I land). I may visit it once more the day I am leaving Europe.

[LshRoomer]

Hi Folks,

I will be coming to Europe for about 12 days (14 days incl transit) in June. Landing and flying back from Frankfurt. I have been reaching out to girls on SA and have been getting a decent amount of positive response so far. Positive here means they are adding me to their favorites, quite a few are chatting with me (on SA, telegram and WA) and expressed interest in meeting up when I visit their city.

Here's the dilemma: given the limited number of days, should I dedicate most of the days to visit cities with good SA potential, or should I also reserve some days to go visit FKK Clubs in Frankfurt, Cologne and Zurich?

I have never done either before. I am turned on by GFE, especially DFK. I am not into tall girls, since I am myself not very tall. I will visit FKK Sharks once for sure (the day I land). I may visit it once more the day I am leaving Europe.

Pros / Cons:

FKK Clubs sound like heaven. Surrounded by naked, hot girls IS heaven. But, these girls are probably not going to give GFE, and likely to be a hit or miss. Also likely to be tall?

SA potentials are really hot, and will likely give GFE. I can also have a connection with them over dinner, drinks etc, and may be some of them can accompany me to their local tourist spots (so that I am not alone), which sounds exciting to me. Almost like having new GFs every day. But they will be more expensive than FKK visits (not a significant concern) AND (the big one) they may or may not show up. They may or may not be good at sex. They may smell. They may be crazies. Hahaha.

Really confused. What do folks here think?You have a decent amount of time in EU and TBH, I'm jealous! I recently traveled to Orlando for work and though there were many SA responses, the area is dead. Average girls wanted anywhere from 400-1000 to link up and every date I set flaked. Also, the escort scene is horrible. It's so bad that the guys in the Orlando forum hoard access to the UTR (under the radar) (their term, not mine) girls and actually have a gatekeeper (again, their term) system where you have to PM some dude for her digits, and then you find that she is old, a candy user, or not attractive. And if you want GFE, just forget about it. It's bait and switch 90% of the time. This is not an isolated experience. It has been my experience every time in Orlando.

Why the rant shroomer? Because you are about to go to a place where none of what I just mentioned will plague you. The escorts are good and reliable (still do your homework), FKKs are awesome if you don't make noob mistakes. SA is wonderful with pretty EU spinners that are ready to meet (some countries are more willing than others. Cultural differences / norms). When I'm in Europe I have to juggle meetups so much that I end up not being able to sample all the ice cream that I set up for tasting. At this point in my mongering, I juggle the other meets around my main SB, that's more like a GF than an sb.

GFE. Yes. That's why you are here. With SA, RTFF and don't fall into some of the pits that the girls will lure you into. A quick 1, 2, don't do: 1. Don't ever ever ever give an allowance for coffee dates. You f it up for the rest of us and disturb the standard. 2. Don't pay for time. Some girls will say 300 euro for 3 hours. That's more than likely an escort trying to cut her losses. SA. Expect GFE. If you are not getting it, something is wrong. You should not even be at her / your place if you haven't had GF / BF moments with kisses and gropes or at least suggestive behavior.

Doing touristy stuff. SBs usually love this kind of stuff. I have done all kinds of stuff with SBs to absorb my time. From doing Muay thai in the park, to chilling in the Beer Spa in Prague. Just remember. Eggs. Baskets. You get it.

Where should you dedicate you time? Create potential. Set up SBs wherever you intend to go, ready to meet, chomping at the bit so you have options. For example, set them up in Frankfurt, Cologne, and Zurich and go to those cities. Enjoy their FKKs and their SBs. Remember dates will fall through. I haven't had a girl that smells, but I've heard the stories. Also, it's not an escort, so she might be inexperienced with sex. Teach her and tell her what to do, she will listen. On the flakiness, a good backup can save a night. I had an SB in Prague one time that seemed like a flake because her phone died (yes these girls are ditsy). Thinking she got nervous and ghosted me, I ate at the restaurant where we were supposed to meet having some beer and rabbit and just called it a loss, thought about what should I do with my night. She finally charged her phone at a nearby bar, then met me an hour later and I ended up taking some edibles with her and banging her out that night (I put on a cover, but she def didn't ask me to. Just saying). Point is you never know how the night will go. And that's what's so F*#ki at g EXCITING!

Go to the FKKs and you will quickly see if you want more FKK or more SA. Personally, I have only been to an FKK once, but I enjoyed it and it's either a starter or a finisher in my eyes. Finish the day with FKK or start the day with it, then go on a SA date. When you bang the SA girl, you will be nice and relaxed from the FKK. Just an option.

GFE in FKK?. It's available for a price. I never pay more for kissing / GFE, etc. The girls come in all shapes and sizes. You will find girls there that fit your height requirements. Think of strippers. They wear these huge heels even though they are not very tall, but will seem like a giant. I'm 5'10" and some of the girls are eye level with me, but when they take the heels off, they drop to my chin. LOL. Just tell her to take her heels off. She won't hesitate to please, believe me.

Hope this helps.

Just my. 02.

[Steve 9696]

Hi Folks,

I will be coming to Europe for about 12 days (14 days incl transit) in June. Landing and flying back from Frankfurt. I have been reaching out to girls on SA and have been getting a decent amount of positive response so far. Positive here means they are adding me to their favorites, quite a few are chatting with me (on SA, telegram and WA) and expressed interest in meeting up when I visit their city.

Here's the dilemma: given the limited number of days, should I dedicate most of the days to visit cities with good SA potential, or should I also reserve some days to go visit FKK Clubs in Frankfurt, Cologne and Zurich?

I have never done either before. I am turned on by GFE, especially DFK. I am not into tall girls, since I am myself not very tall. I will visit FKK Sharks once for sure (the day I land). I may visit it once more the day I am leaving Europe.

Pros / Cons:

FKK Clubs sound like heaven. Surrounded by naked, hot girls IS heaven. But, these girls are probably not going to give GFE, and likely to be a hit or miss. Also likely to be tall?

SA potentials are really hot, and will likely give GFE. I can also have a connection with them over dinner, drinks etc, and may be some of them can accompany me to their local tourist spots (so that I am not alone), which sounds exciting to me. Almost like having new GFs every day. But they will be more expensive than FKK visits (not a significant concern) AND (the big one) they may or may not show up. They may or may not be good at sex. They may smell. They may be crazies. Hahaha.

Really confused. What do folks here think?Agree with all that Shroomer said but would add I've never had an SA girl flake on me (except 4 years ago when I fell for a meetup scam). Once you get good at vetting the girls and really develop a chat relationship she is highly invested and will show. At least that is my experience.

I think your concerns about smell and crazies and the like are unfounded, again IF you DO IT RIGHT. You will get clean and pretty normal girls who are happy to be going out on a real date with a real guy with money and not some loser their age. That is why it's so magical. Do the work. Find the right girls and it all flows from that.

As far as setting things up I cover my bases. I never book more than one girl for same time or day. Some guys do but to me that's as bad as girls flaking. It's just the guy equivalent and not cool. But what I DO do is book my fave for night one and second fave for night two and third fave for night three. And if night one girl is all that and there is no better then just cancel the others. It’s ok (tho obv not awesome) to cancel a day in advance. Just say your plans changed and work intervened. But more often I try girl two and girl three and then repeat with my favorite.

The above strategy is really helpful because you are not always 100% right. My first Vegas week my fave who I booked for night one was a shade less pretty than I thought and def quite a bit younger and more reticent. And night two girl was really solid. And night three girl was AMAZING. So I repeated with night two and night three girls. But even then you might be surprised. My night three queen ended up fading out and night two girl Alexa turned out to evolve into one of my all time faves and I still see her when I am in town 4 YEARS LATER! And shes still hot as fuck at 26 and the bareback sex (started later) off the charts. So yeah use those multiple days to gather up the eggs and pick your faves.

[Intelligencium]

Go to the FKKs and you will quickly see if you want more FKK or more SA. Personally, I have only been to an FKK once, but I enjoyed it and it's either a starter or a finisher in my eyes. Finish the day with FKK or start the day with it, then go on a SA date. When you bang the SA girl, you will be nice and relaxed from the FKK. Just an option.

Hope this helps.Super helpful response. Thanks!


For example, set them up in Frankfurt, Cologne, and Zurich and go to those cities. Enjoy their FKKs and their SBs.Unfortunately, the cities with good SA potential are not the cities with FKKs. So if I lean more towards SA, I will skip Cologne, Zurich and even Amsterdam. But if I plan for more FKK visits + Amsterdam experience, that will eat up 4-5 days in the trip and I might miss meeting some good SA potentials. Hence the dilemma.

Luckily since I am landing / leaving from Frankfurt, I will at least be able to have an FKK experience the first day I land and then may be change my plans if needed. At this point, based on both of your responses, I am leaning towards spending more time in cities with higher SA potential and doing 1-2 FKKs in Frankfurt. Also, the cities where I have higher SA potential also have other mongering opportunities with hot WGs.

[Bhamsookh1]

Hello,

Apologies in advance as this may not be right Group but couldn't find better option and didn't seek help elsewhere.

I will be staying for a few weeks in Brussels this summer, so I will appreciate a few contacts of independent girls that I can bring to hotel. I do not like escorts too much as they are overworked and I am failure on tinder and bumble. I am look to get in my hotel girls who are not professional prostitutes. Girls who do it as a side for few days or nights a month. Please PM me, thanks.

Also is Marie active?

The ginger colour hair girl who travelled between Antwerp, Brussels and Amsterdam.

Please share her contact if available!

Thanks.

[Mush Elvii]

I'm going to be in Taiwan in next couple of weeks for some business- never used SA in that side of world before and when browsing thru SA profiles, don't see as much Volume as I experienced in South American or European continent, plus language is a definite barrier (I spoke several languages but none of them are Asian).

Given there's not much data to look thru for TW, any input or insight on how much is base or reference PPM for few hours of date in Taiwan?

Comments or thoughts appreciated.

[Steve 9696]

Super helpful response. Thanks!

Unfortunately, the cities with good SA potential are not the cities with FKKs. So if I lean more towards SA, I will skip Cologne, Zurich and even Amsterdam. But if I plan for more FKK visits + Amsterdam experience, that will eat up 4-5 days in the trip and I might miss meeting some good SA potentials. Hence the dilemma.

Luckily since I am landing / leaving from Frankfurt, I will at least be able to have an FKK experience the first day I land and then may be change my plans if needed. At this point, based on both of your responses, I am leaning towards spending more time in cities with higher SA potential and doing 1-2 FKKs in Frankfurt. Also, the cities where I have higher SA potential also have other mongering opportunities with hot WGs.Are you limited to Germany? SA in Spain would be more promising — if you like Latinas. Just search Madrid and you will be blown away on selection. And if you go and SA doesn't pan out there is always Vive to see the hotties face to face and fuck on-site.

[Steve 9696]

I'm going to be in Taiwan in next couple of weeks for some business- never used SA in that side of world before and when browsing thru SA profiles, don't see as much Volume as I experienced in South American or European continent, plus language is a definite barrier (I spoke several languages but none of them are Asian).

Given there's not much data to look thru for TW, any input or insight on how much is base or reference PPM for few hours of date in Taiwan?

Comments or thoughts appreciated.Taiwan is one of the toughest venues in the world imo. Because prostitution is very illegal and foreigners are generally kept out of the game there. I've never done SA there but bet it's dicey. You will need a Line broker to hook you up. (Line is like Whatapp). You can hookup thru them. Go to Taipei thread to learn more. There is a guy on there named Windrunner or something that was able to point me right direction.

[Intelligencium]

Are you limited to Germany? SA in Spain would be more promising if you like Latinas. Just search Madrid and you will be blown away on selection. And if you go and SA doesn't pan out there is always Vive to see the hotties face to face and fuck on-site.It's like you can read my mind Steve.

The cities I mentioned with high SA potential are BCN and Madrid! Which is why FKKs are a bit out of the way.

So here's my new plan:

1. Frankfurt day 1 to visit FKK Sharks.

2. Spain for next 10 days, likely equally split between BCN and Madrid. Sight-seeing, SA dating and some regular old-fashioned mongering.

3. Frankfurt last day to either revisit FKK Sharks or try Oase.

[Clone8884]

Anyone have experience in London? Also, how much.

[LshRoomer]

Are you limited to Germany? SA in Spain would be more promising if you like Latinas. Just search Madrid and you will be blown away on selection. And if you go and SA doesn't pan out there is always Vive to see the hotties face to face and fuck on-site.Spain. Damn. Didn't mention it because you sounded like you were going to be Germany. I stayed away from Spain for years and finally when I decided to go, I was hit with a tidal wave of smoking hot Spanish girls (latina and european), eastern euros; an entire buffet (I even had a french morrocan SB in Madrid). My current SB / GF is in Spain as well as 2 of my favorite GFE escorts. I'll be there twice this summer! You can't go wrong. I've even stopped girls on the street and talked to them. It's awesome.

One thing that could be considered a con depending on your comfort and skill level is language. It is very helpful to know some spanish. Not as much the case in Deutschland, you can get by rather well with english. My SB doesn't really speak english, but we get by really well with a romanian, spanish, english combination. But then again, the french SB that I met spoke english perfect with a french accent, so I guess it depends on who you come across.

Good luck and report back.

02.

[Steve 9696]

Anyone have experience in London? Also, how much.I've done SA four times in London and all were great. Bear in mind I'm very good at the weed and feed process and finding the gems. You can get a non pro hottie for 300-400 but it takes work just like SA always does.

[Midwestern]

If any of you guys have had long-run success with a local SB (I. E. , an SB that lives in the same city as you), then I'd like to hear about it. What made it work out or is making it work out?

One of my SBs is getting annoyed at the PPM arrangment and occassionally wants to hang out with me (such as occassional lunches, going to the movies, and going out at night, all without sex) like a real GF. In the past, this might have been okay, but I am now not into this for the following reasons: (1) I am simply too busy with my professional and personal life. (2) I do not want to be seen with a GF or SB for professional and personal reasons.

I did have many local SBs that were just PPM and they did not need any other maintenance, but for them, this eventually got old and they did not like the feeling that they were pros. There must be a right balance between a real GF and PPM SB, but I am not finding it.

I would like to hear from people with actual experience only.

TIA.

[Intelligencium]

Hey guys,

I am going to in Europe (posted about it a few times) on a SA focused mongering trip. I am married, but wife won't know about this hobby.

Do you guys tell your SA potential about your relationship status in real life? I am chatting with a cute girl from SA and we have a really good chemistry. I may want to spend a lot of time with her when in Europe and may be even go on trips with her. But I haven't told her yet that I am married. My SA profile also says that I am "Single". I didn't think too much back then, mostly just assuming that SA girls wouldn't want to talk to me if I told them I am married.

So question for you folks: what would you do in this situation? Should I tell her the truth? There is a good chance that she will not be as warm towards me if she finds out that I am married. If she decides to bail, it will be a loss. But I guess I can find other girls who will be more PPM oriented. There are no dearth of girls willing to talk and meet, but she was a bit special w. Are. T. Our chemistry so far.

But if I don't tell her and then go on trips with her (or spend significant time with her), I will have to figure out how to be really discrete about my real life. E. g. If wifey calls, I will have to make up some story about who is calling me.

Anyone gone through an experience like this? What did you do? What would you do in my situation?

[Steve 9696]

Hey guys,

I am going to in Europe (posted about it a few times) on a SA focused mongering trip. I am married, but wife won't know about this hobby.

Do you guys tell your SA potential about your relationship status in real life? I am chatting with a cute girl from SA and we have a really good chemistry. I may want to spend a lot of time with her when in Europe and may be even go on trips with her. But I haven't told her yet that I am married. My SA profile also says that I am "Single". I didn't think too much back then, mostly just assuming that SA girls wouldn't want to talk to me if I told them I am married.

So question for you folks: what would you do in this situation? Should I tell her the truth? There is a good chance that she will not be as warm towards me if she finds out that I am married. If she decides to bail, it will be a loss. But I guess I can find other girls who will be more PPM oriented. There are no dearth of girls willing to talk and meet, but she was a bit special w. Are. T. Our chemistry so far.

But if I don't tell her and then go on trips with her (or spend significant time with her), I will have to figure out how to be really discrete about my real life. E. g. If wifey calls, I will have to make up some story about who is calling me.

Anyone gone through an experience like this? What did you do? What would you do in my situation?My status on Seeking is Open Relationship even tho I am married like you. Perhaps that's a better status than single but up to you. It is rare for the girls to care (a girl who is on SA prob has more advanced views on monogamy than your average girl) and I think even more rare with nonUS girls since they don't have puritanical bullshit in their head. Regardless worldwide it's only been an issue twice with a newbies in the US. Otherwise I make no pretense. I wear my wedding ring when we fuck. More than 50 girls with that wedding ring in plain view 24/7. So doubt you have a problem. Don't wear your ring if you are super nervous but I think it's also better to just be transparent. I'm 99% she won't care.

[Steve 9696]

If any of you guys have had long-run success with a local SB (I. E. , an SB that lives in the same city as you), then I'd like to hear about it. What made it work out or is making it work out?

One of my SBs is getting annoyed at the PPM arrangment and occassionally wants to hang out with me (such as occassional lunches, going to the movies, and going out at night, all without sex) like a real GF. In the past, this might have been okay, but I am now not into this for the following reasons: (1) I am simply too busy with my professional and personal life. (2) I do not want to be seen with a GF or SB for professional and personal reasons.

I did have many local SBs that were just PPM and they did not need any other maintenance, but for them, this eventually got old and they did not like the feeling that they were pros. There must be a right balance between a real GF and PPM SB, but I am not finding it.

I would like to hear from people with actual experience only.

TIA.So I have a certain amount of experience with this. First with a girl that was very OK but I could take or leave her. She was very new to the game. After our first three dates we were having dinner and she said "we aren't going to have sex every date are we". And I said yep we are. I simply said that it's really important to me and a part of a complete relationship. I think she was shocked. But we never failed to have sex.

Second of course is with Shayla. She totally understands the game tho. Before I got her the apartment we were def sex every time. But then once we got the apt I might see her a couple times a week and only have sex one of those times. But sometimes she might deflect sex or we were just partying with her friends. And frankly it's not worth lying to my wife for that. I kinda said that to her once and that didn't go so well. Maybe too honest. But I did come pretty straight on when she deflected sex and the few times it happened she clarified that I just need to let her know and it's ok to fuck with her friends in the living room!

I'm sure your sitch is a bit different, but I tend to go with the confront it route. Tell her sex is a super important part of your relationship and it makes you sad when you skip. And see what she says. Does she want to make you sad?

[Midwestern]

Do not lie about being single. I do not know how many times I have lied to an SB about being single, but there were two occasions where it ended horribly, to the extent that I was even scared. Both of these times, the SBs said that if I had told the truth about being married, then the relationship would have been great, but that I blew it by lying. For whatever reason, pretty much all gals hate being lied to by men, probably because we lie all the time to bed women.

And no, you cannot lie about being single forever. They will find out the truth. It is just a matter of time.

I just started a new relationship with a new SB. Long story short, I met her three years ago and got her contact. After some back and forth texting, I asked her to be my GF. She asked me what that implied. I said it would be a PPM arrangement. She told me to fuck off. I kept pursuing it, she kept balking and even deleted my contact a couple of times, but recently she finally agreed, after I reassured her that I was not a monster. The first session went well. A few days later, she asked me if I was married. I decided to try a new response. I told her it was a secret. She scoffed, but then said that it did not matter. Maybe you can try this. She probably thinks there is a 99% chance that I am married, but maybe that 1% makes a difference in her mind.


Hey guys,

I am going to in Europe (posted about it a few times) on a SA focused mongering trip. I am married, but wife won't know about this hobby.

Do you guys tell your SA potential about your relationship status in real life? I am chatting with a cute girl from SA and we have a really good chemistry. I may want to spend a lot of time with her when in Europe and may be even go on trips with her. But I haven't told her yet that I am married. My SA profile also says that I am "Single". I didn't think too much back then, mostly just assuming that SA girls wouldn't want to talk to me if I told them I am married.

So question for you folks: what would you do in this situation? Should I tell her the truth? There is a good chance that she will not be as warm towards me if she finds out that I am married. If she decides to bail, it will be a loss. But I guess I can find other girls who will be more PPM oriented. There are no dearth of girls willing to talk and meet, but she was a bit special w. Are. T. Our chemistry so far.

But if I don't tell her and then go on trips with her (or spend significant time with her), I will have to figure out how to be really discrete about my real life. E. g. If wifey calls, I will have to make up some story about who is calling me.

Anyone gone through an experience like this? What did you do? What would you do in my situation?.

[Intelligencium]

Thanks for the advice! I already lied to her in chat. She suddenly asked if I'm single and / or have kids, and I panicked and said no. I guess I'll have to figure out a way to find clean. Maybe say I lied on chat because it was hard to explain over chat, and wanted to talk on person / over call: thatthings are a bit complicated


Do not lie about being single. I do not know how many times I have lied to an SB about being single, but there were two occasions where it ended horribly, to the extent that I was even scared. Both of these times, the SBs said that if I had told the truth about being married, then the relationship would have been great, but that I blew it by lying. For whatever reason, pretty much all gals hate being lied to by men, probably because we lie all the time to bed women.

And no, you cannot lie about being single forever. They will find out the truth. It is just a matter of time.

I just started a new relationship with a new SB. Long story short, I met her three years ago and got her contact. After some back and forth texting, I asked her to be my GF. She asked me what that implied. I said it would be a PPM arrangement. She told me to fuck off. I kept pursuing it, she kept balking and even deleted my contact a couple of times, but recently she finally agreed, after I reassured her that I was not a monster. The first session went well. A few days later, she asked me if I was married. I decided to try a new response. I told her it was a secret. She scoffed, but then said that it did not matter. Maybe you can try this. She probably thinks there is a 99% chance that I am married, but maybe that 1% makes a difference in her mind.

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[DramaFree11]

Thanks for the advice! I already lied to her in chat. She suddenly asked if I'm single and / or have kids, and I panicked and said no. I guess I'll have to figure out a way to find clean. Maybe say I lied on chat because it was hard to explain over chat, and wanted to talk on person / over call: thatthings are a bit complicated.That is the great benefit about SA, no reason to lie in an arrangement.

[AmericanPi]

Respectfully disagree with some of the other posters.

If you're getting into a relationship with a sugars, fine don't lie. They'll be around you enough and there are signs. Phone calls, name tags, hotel check in sheets, etc.

But for the short term thing you're describing, absolutely say you're single. I always do. Because the last thing you want is a girl who has personal info on you and can blackmail you. I lie about basically everything that can identify me.


Hey guys,

I am going to in Europe (posted about it a few times) on a SA focused mongering trip. I am married, but wife won't know about this hobby.

Do you guys tell your SA potential about your relationship status in real life? I am chatting with a cute girl from SA and we have a really good chemistry. I may want to spend a lot of time with her when in Europe and may be even go on trips with her. But I haven't told her yet that I am married. My SA profile also says that I am "Single". I didn't think too much back then, mostly just assuming that SA girls wouldn't want to talk to me if I told them I am married.

So question for you folks: what would you do in this situation? Should I tell her the truth? There is a good chance that she will not be as warm towards me if she finds out that I am married. If she decides to bail, it will be a loss. But I guess I can find other girls who will be more PPM oriented. There are no dearth of girls willing to talk and meet, but she was a bit special w. Are. T. Our chemistry so far.

[Steve 9696]

Respectfully disagree with some of the other posters.

If you're getting into a relationship with a sugars, fine don't lie. They'll be around you enough and there are signs. Phone calls, name tags, hotel check in sheets, etc.

But for the short term thing you're describing, absolutely say you're single. I always do. Because the last thing you want is a girl who has personal info on you and can blackmail you. I lie about basically everything that can identify me.I think the point was specifically about marriage status, which is something that "matters" to girls. Def obfuscate everything else. False name. Burner phone. Occupation and whatever. These are just white lies. If you want something that might develop past the first date then the marriage thing is a tough on to reneg on IMO.

Although also as MW said it's tough to obscure your identity forever with a girl you spend lots of time with. Hardest is hotel TV screen. It's going to have your real name and if you leave her alone in the room she could see it. Just an FYI for everyone — that's tough to conceal.

[Intelligencium]

Although also as MW said it's tough to obscure your identity forever with a girl you spend lots of time with. Hardest is hotel TV screen. It's going to have your real name and if you leave her alone in the room she could see it. Just an FYI for everyone that's tough to conceal.Well, didn't think of that. I guess that's another reason to have separate rooms (as someone suggested a while back). I am sure I am not thinking of a lot more. E. g. , if we are traveling, then I will have to take my name and show my ID when checking into the hotel. So need her away at that time.

What else comes to your mind?

[Intelligencium]

Happy to hear a different perspective. Do you have a rule of thumb on when do you switch?

I will be there 10 days. I may end up spending a good chunk of that time with one girl, traveling with her etc, but it will be a one-and-done time relationship. I plan to be careful about not revealing my true identity, e. G. , by booking separate rooms when traveling, not checking into hotels, car rentals etc (where I have to show my ID) in front of her. But I don't understand why she would care that I am single or married, when both of us know there is no future.


Respectfully disagree with some of the other posters.

If you're getting into a relationship with a sugars, fine don't lie. They'll be around you enough and there are signs. Phone calls, name tags, hotel check in sheets, etc.

But for the short term thing you're describing, absolutely say you're single. I always do. Because the last thing you want is a girl who has personal info on you and can blackmail you. I lie about basically everything that can identify me.

[Steve 9696]

Well, didn't think of that. I guess that's another reason to have separate rooms (as someone suggested a while back). I am sure I am not thinking of a lot more. E. g. , if we are traveling, then I will have to take my name and show my ID when checking into the hotel. So need her away at that time.

What else comes to your mind?You want a full first and last name to go by. All my girls know me as Steve. It's my alter ego. And I have a pseudonym last name also. This is very important for things like dinner reservations. The hostess will greet you — right this way mr smith. Got to have a fake last name.

When I pay for dinner make sure the side of the card with your name is face down. Nonetheless high brow places may say "enjoy your evening Mr Smith" which sucks. But again if she doesn't know your first name she can't really Google you. So the fake first name is equally important.

If you go to a swingers club together you both register and she's prob going to learn your name. But if you are going to a swingers club you are probably past trust issues. LOL.

[Rextor]

Is anyone else getting some absolutely eyewatering quoted in CDMX for SA girls? Multiple girls have quoted 7000 MXN (400 USD right now). To be fair, these are absolute smoke shows / models, but still I'm caught off guard. I have been able to find a few girls for 2000 but they aren't the prettiest I would say.

[Steve 9696]

Is anyone else getting some absolutely eyewatering quoted in CDMX for SA girls? Multiple girls have quoted 7000 MXN (400 USD right now). To be fair, these are absolute smoke shows / models, but still I'm caught off guard. I have been able to find a few girls for 2000 but they aren't the prettiest I would say.DramaFree is the CdMx expert. I believe he said going rate for him was 150-250 USD. I think prob towards the high end of that. My girl was 220 usd and I'the say an 8.

[DramaFree11]

Is anyone else getting some absolutely eyewatering quoted in CDMX for SA girls? Multiple girls have quoted 7000 MXN (400 USD right now). To be fair, these are absolute smoke shows / models, but still I'm caught off guard. I have been able to find a few girls for 2000 but they aren't the prettiest I would say.I am traveling to MTY now, but I am also getting some crazy high prices as well, I just laugh. Some of these girls are just average girls, no way I would be anymore $175-200, I can see guys paying $300, in CDMX, but in MTY anything above $250 is way too much. Especially in CDMX there are tons available of available chicks, MTY, not so much. Some will say no, but most will say yes, $200-250. It takes some work, but you will find some amazing girls in CDMX. I love the city and girls.

[Gfefan]

I have a self-given pet name that only I know (not even my friends). This is the name girls know me by. I pay cash (well, mostly). When not possible, I use my card discretely. I don't truly reveal where I work.

Also, during our first date (which happens only if M&G go well), I set ground rules. No photos / videos of us together. I set rules on when and how we can text or call each other. I respct their privacy and don't ask them the same questions I will not answer them.

All said and done, if my SB is smart, she can reverse image search my private photos and find me. So far, I haven't yet come across that "smart" SB or they are much smarter than that. Not revealing to me that they found who I am.

I generally reveal private pic and remove access immediately after they text me "lets proceed". I simply tell them that I have been scammed before (not true) and this is nothing personally against them. I encourage them to remove my access to their private pics as well. I kinda make it look like I am taking care of her as well. It works everytime.


You want a full first and last name to go by. All my girls know me as Steve. It's my alter ego. And I have a pseudonym last name also. This is very important for things like dinner reservations. The hostess will greet you right this way mr smith. Got to have a fake last name.

When I pay for dinner make sure the side of the card with your name is face down. Nonetheless high brow places may say "enjoy your evening Mr Smith" which sucks. But again if she doesn't know your first name she can't really Google you. So the fake first name is equally important.

If you go to a swingers club together you both register and she's prob going to learn your name. But if you are going to a swingers club you are probably past trust issues. LOL.

[Rextor]

I am traveling to MTY now, but I am also getting some crazy high prices as well, I just laugh. Some of these girls are just average girls, no way I would be anymore $175-200, I can see guys paying $300, in CDMX, but in MTY anything above $250 is way too much. Especially in CDMX there are tons available of available chicks, MTY, not so much. Some will say no, but most will say yes, $200-250. It takes some work, but you will find some amazing girls in CDMX. I love the city and girls.Thanks for the insight, yes most girls seem to be in the 200 - 300 range.

Also, what's typically the vibe with SA dates in cdmx? Generally my plan is, if I sense that these are not SA newbies then I am going to go for drinks, and if things flow well will plan on being physical that very night. If I get a sense of nervousness then I plan on just meeting for drinks / coffee first, and just cover their uber / small gift and start setting up the physical date.

[LshRoomer]

Europe is my preference when it comes to SA, but once in a while a domestic US trip comes up. In the most recent case, I hit SA, renewed my sub, and went to work. The whole process just felt like I had to put in a bit more work, in comparison to EU SBs.

Whatever the case, after my trip, my membership was still active. Orlando completely failed and maintained its reputation in my head as one of the worst places to monger, I usually don't engage on my own turf, but figured I would see if I could find a cute spinner that I could call when the mood strikes. Wasn't looking for my "normal SB" where we go out to party, drink, smoke shisha and explore the city. Instead I pretty much wanted a local flexible girl, that wasn't a pro, but that I could have "escort level" access to. Hahaha.

Stumbled across a slim chick, 29, with a pretty face, and tits that I can't wait to see. Haha. Our coffee date fell though, so we agreed to have another coffee date at her place, but I have to bring pastries. LOL She's a single mom and I'm curious to see how things are going to pan out. Good, bad, or indifferent, you have to report on the mission. Haha.

02.

[Gfefan]

I am tired of US as well. Have a trip coming up to SF. Will give it a shot.

But already planning my trip to Europe in summer. Trying to identify stories to tell at home for solo EU trip Europe rocks.


Europe is my preference when it comes to SA, but once in a while a domestic US trip comes up. In the most recent case, I hit SA, renewed my sub, and went to work. The whole process just felt like I had to put in a bit more work, in comparison to EU SBs.

Whatever the case, after my trip, my membership was still active. Orlando completely failed and maintained its reputation in my head as one of the worst places to monger, I usually don't engage on my own turf, but figured I would see if I could find a cute spinner that I could call when the mood strikes. Wasn't looking for my "normal SB" where we go out to party, drink, smoke shisha and explore the city. Instead I pretty much wanted a local flexible girl, that wasn't a pro, but that I could have "escort level" access to. Hahaha.

Stumbled across a slim chick, 29, with a pretty face, and tits that I can't wait to see. Haha. Our coffee date fell though, so we agreed to have another coffee date at her place, but I have to bring pastries. LOL She's a single mom and I'm curious to see how things are going to pan out. Good, bad, or indifferent, you have to report on the mission. Haha.

02.

[Steve 9696]

I am tired of US as well. Have a trip coming up to SF. Will give it a shot.

But already planning my trip to Europe in summer. Trying to identify stories to tell at home for solo EU trip Europe rocks.So I stay in touch w another ISG member who had good luck w SA in Mexico. I've been coaching up his US game and by god with a lot of persistence he hit pay dirt in a major western US city. Scored a 19 year old who WANTED to go bareback (not negotiated ahead) and took a full load of CIM and swallow. I've seen her pics and she's legit hot and naughty. And only 400 beans. It CAN be done. With game and persistence. Good luck out there!

[LshRoomer]

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.

After buying some coffee for us, I pulled up to her house and saw a Pest control truck there. This was strange because she has complained multiple times that she doesn't have a car and has to use Uber as her main mode of transport. Already the Spidy senses were tingling. I drove around the block looking for somewhere to park so I could walk to her house instead of parking in her driveway. No luck. The neighborhood was residential and there were no guest parking spots. After pulling into her driveway and arming myself (you never know what you will encounter), I approached and knocked on the door.

There is a preconceived notion that must be mentioned here. After everything she told me, I was absolutely under the impression that she probably lived alone (with her 3 kids) and her place was that of a single mom that doesn't have a high earning salary. Ok, now you know what was deep in my head as I approached the front door. After ringing the bell, she answered and let me in. We all have varying degrees of experience with price tag women (SBs, escorts, etc) and that usually serves as a guide for the first moments of a new encounter. Here are some things that I noticed within the first 30 seconds of meeting / greeting.

1. She didn't smile; Her hair was just like the pictures. She was the attractive girl in the pictures a long time ago. She had become something else once the smoking, possibly drugs, and bad lifestyle habits caught up to her.

2. Bad teeth. Her grill was bad with brown teeth. I wouldn't even let her give me a BJ. No way.

3. Her house was nice. Like very nice, with a pool in the back, etc. Way too nice for a struggling mom of three.

4. An obvious gut. I'm not being picky, but her pics showed no resemblance of a gut or anything close. She is thin, with a weird gut. Wasn't into it. Damnit, I'm in my forties with a six pack, I can expect my SB to not have a belly. This was one of those bellies that I couldn't just overlook.

5. She didn't give me a hug or anything warm. It's amazing how so much happens in the first 30 seconds of meeting.

6. She took me right to her room. I had visions of chilling on the couch, talking, building up, kinda regular SB stuff. No.

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallback. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?

Be safe out there.

02.

[Steve 9696]

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.

After buying some coffee for us, I pulled up to her house and saw a Pest control truck there. This was strange because she has complained multiple times that she doesn't have a car and has to use Uber as her main mode of transport. Already the Spidy senses were tingling. I drove around the block looking for somewhere to park so I could walk to her house instead of parking in her driveway. No luck. The neighborhood was residential and there were no guest parking spots. After pulling into her driveway and arming myself (you never know what you will encounter), I approached and knocked on the door.

There is a preconceived notion that must be mentioned here. After everything she told me, I was absolutely under the impression that she probably lived alone (with her 3 kids) and her place was that of a single mom that doesn't have a high earning salary. Ok, now you know what was deep in my head as I approached the front door. After ringing the bell, she answered and let me in. We all have varying degrees of experience with price tag women (SBs, escorts, etc) and that usually serves as a guide for the first moments of a new encounter. Here are some things that I noticed within the first 30 seconds of meeting / greeting.

1. She didn't smile; Her hair was just like the pictures. She was the attractive girl in the pictures a long time ago. She had become something else once the smoking, possibly drugs, and bad lifestyle habits caught up to her.

2. Bad teeth. Her grill was bad with brown teeth. I wouldn't even let her give me a BJ. No way.

3. Her house was nice. Like very nice, with a pool in the back, etc. Way too nice for a struggling mom of three.

4. An obvious gut. I'm not being picky, but her pics showed no resemblance of a gut or anything close. She is thin, with a weird gut. Wasn't into it. Damnit, I'm in my forties with a six pack, I can expect my SB to not have a belly. This was one of those bellies that I couldn't just overlook.

5. She didn't give me a hug or anything warm. It's amazing how so much happens in the first 30 seconds of meeting.

6. She took me right to her room. I had visions of chilling on the couch, talking, building up, kinda regular SB stuff. No.

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallback. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?

Be safe out there.

02.Ouch but surely your not too surprised. I didn't want to pipe up and burst your bubble before the date but late 20's mom (in the US) is a nonstarter for me. When she invited you to her house you had to know things are off somehow. No quality girl is going to invite a stranger to where her kids stay. I stick to 21-24 in the US with no kids (that I know about). Any time I violate the rule I pay the price. Best bet 22-24 with nose ring and tatts. 😋. Ps I acknowledge ur experience was waaaay worse than even I expected. Yikes. I feel ur pain!

[Akibono]

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallbac
k. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?
Be safe out there.

02.First, there are a lot of flakes here in the US. That is why a girl asks to be paid for her time. I would not pay since they can be scamming you. Second, lots of drug usage and bad circumstances here. In the EU the social safety net means that decent people will never live like the poor in the US. We are really a shit hole country except for those who are rich.

[AmericanPi]

That's a crazy story.

I think you were more generous overlooking more massive waving red flags than many would be. That just sounded like she was a tired prostitute meeting her next back alley John. It sounded trashy as F.

I imagine you took a shower when you got home.


Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.

After buying some coffee for us, I pulled up to her house and saw a Pest control truck there. This was strange because she has complained multiple times that she doesn't have a car and has to use Uber as her main mode of transport. Already the Spidy senses were tingling. I drove around the block looking for somewhere to park so I could walk to her house instead of parking in her driveway. No luck. The neighborhood was residential and there were no guest parking spots. After pulling into her driveway and arming myself (you never know what you will encounter), I approached and knocked on the door.

There is a preconceived notion that must be mentioned here. After everything she told me, I was absolutely under the impression that she probably lived alone (with her 3 kids) and her place was that of a single mom that doesn't have a high earning salary. Ok, now you know what was deep in my head as I approached the front door. After ringing the bell, she answered and let me in. We all have varying degrees of experience with price tag women (SBs, escorts, etc) and that usually serves as a guide for the first moments of a new encounter. Here are some things that I noticed within the first 30 seconds of meeting / greeting.

1. She didn't smile; Her hair was just like the pictures. She was the attractive girl in the pictures a long time ago. She had become something else once the smoking, possibly drugs, and bad lifestyle habits caught up to her.

2. Bad teeth. Her grill was bad with brown teeth. I wouldn't even let her give me a BJ. No way.

3. Her house was nice. Like very nice, with a pool in the back, etc. Way too nice for a struggling mom of three.

4. An obvious gut. I'm not being picky, but her pics showed no resemblance of a gut or anything close. She is thin, with a weird gut. Wasn't into it. Damnit, I'm in my forties with a six pack, I can expect my SB to not have a belly. This was one of those bellies that I couldn't just overlook.

5. She didn't give me a hug or anything warm. It's amazing how so much happens in the first 30 seconds of meeting.

6. She took me right to her room. I had visions of chilling on the couch, talking, building up, kinda regular SB stuff. No.

So, as I'm standing in her room, she started to take the pillows off the bed while we were chatting. She seemed really tired (it was about 11 am) and I couldn't get over how brown her teeth were and how bad they looked. She was definitely the girl in the pics, but a more degraded, beat up version. She told me that she lives with other people, so I said, "oh, you have roommates?" She responded that no they own the house and she has her room and her kids have another room. They have a deal that any company has to go right to her room and not chill in the main area. That was enough for me. I left and said F it. I'll be in Spain and Portugal in 3 weeks. I'm just going to chill til then. I may give another local a try, but my gosh if they are anything like this, it's truly not worth my time.

Oh. I had a fallback in case things didn't work out. I hit up the fallback. That was a bust too. She said that she wanted a deposit for the 400 for taking time out of her day. We all make more money than these girls. If we put an hourly number to our income, it is leagues above theirs in 97% of the cases. It kills me when they talk about how precious their time is, without recognizing they are talking to execs and professionals that have heavy demands on their time and that we are carving time out for them. Some girls get that, like my SB in london, my sb in Spain, my sb in Prague. WTF is wrong with these american girls (obviously not all, I've had wins in the US)?

Be safe out there.

02.

[DramaFree11]

So I stay in touch w another ISG member who had good luck w SA in Mexico. I've been coaching up his US game and by god with a lot of persistence he hit pay dirt in a major western US city. Scored a 19 year old who WANTED to go bareback (not negotiated ahead) and took a full load of CIM and swallow. I've seen her pics and she's legit hot and naughty. And only 400 beans. It CAN be done. With game and persistence. Good luck out there!Your new nickname is the, "Coach" Thanks for all the great reports and advice. I am back in MTY for another wild weekend. The trip is off to a great start, minus all the rain.

[Chola]

Home runs definitely do exist. I'm in talks with a few girls now that seem promising. This morning, I headed out to see the 29 year old single mom knowing that the story I was going to write tonight was going to be awesome and intriguing. LOL. I was wrong.
02.Sorry to hear man. Yeah US is a lot of work. No doubt they are out there if you are willing to put in the work but not easy. Just wanted to message because you talked about Spain and Portugal. I just returned from there and OMG both places are an SA paradise! Haven't had a chance to report yet but think under 23, genuine, hot and willing. So much fun and true essence of what SA is. I got a tad too lucky with no gifts exchanged with a couple of them. Will report soon hopefully. Enjoy there. I can't wait to go back.

[LshRoomer]

Sorry to hear man. Yeah US is a lot of work. No doubt they are out there if you are willing to put in the work but not easy. Just wanted to message because you talked about Spain and Portugal. I just returned from there and OMG both places are an SA paradise! Haven't had a chance to report yet but think under 23, genuine, hot and willing. So much fun and true essence of what SA is. I got a tad too lucky with no gifts exchanged with a couple of them. Will report soon hopefully. Enjoy there. I can't wait to go back.This was an experience unlike any that I've had with SA and it's wasn't too surprising. There were definitely red flags that I probably ignored for the sake of exploration, thinking that maybe we could strike up a deal and it would be a new mountain to climb in my SB experience pool. LOL. Yeah. Failed experiment. 29 is the oldest that I've ever dealt with, with the average range being 20-24. Already adjusted my age filter in SA. Hahaha. The older girls are a bit more work and I'm not willing to output more effort just because. Note to self: experiment unsuccessful, continue to use what works.

The positive part of SA far outweighs the negative, so for me, it's lessons learned and time to prep for Spain / Portugal. Super excited to check out Lisbon, never been, but the SA scene already looks similar to Spain. Fingers crossed.

I still have some conversations going, so we'll see if any yield fruit. I had a coffee date with Francesca last week and she kinda went silent for a few days. I assumed she didn't feel the right vibe in person, but then she start writing more conversation worthy texts starting yesterday and this morning. Gymnast and definitely bangable, but a bit quirky. We'll see what happens.

02.

[Midwestern]

Quite often, an SB will take a picture of us together, especially when we are dressed up or out on the town having a fun time. You guys think there's any downsides to her having a picture of us together? Some of the pictures give away that we are cozy together. Keep in mind that I try to stay anonymous as much as possible. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Steve 9696]

Your new nickname is the, "Coach" Thanks for all the great reports and advice. I am back in MTY for another wild weekend. The trip is off to a great start, minus all the rain.Thanks. The guy I am coaching put me in his phone as "pussy slayer". Haha. I'll answer to either one. 😂.

[Steve 9696]

This was an experience unlike any that I've had with SA and it's wasn't too surprising. There were definitely red flags that I probably ignored for the sake of exploration, thinking that maybe we could strike up a deal and it would be a new mountain to climb in my SB experience pool. LOL. Yeah. Failed experiment. 29 is the oldest that I've ever dealt with, with the average range being 20-24. Already adjusted my age filter in SA. Hahaha. The older girls are a bit more work and I'm not willing to output more effort just because. Note to self: experiment unsuccessful, continue to use what works.

The positive part of SA far outweighs the negative, so for me, it's lessons learned and time to prep for Spain / Portugal. Super excited to check out Lisbon, never been, but the SA scene already looks similar to Spain. Fingers crossed.

I still have some conversations going, so we'll see if any yield fruit. I had a coffee date with Francesca last week and she kinda went silent for a few days. I assumed she didn't feel the right vibe in person, but then she start writing more conversation worthy texts starting yesterday and this morning. Gymnast and definitely bangable, but a bit quirky. We'll see what happens.

02.I'the def avoid the coffee dates. My experience is it doesn't work well — maybe it did for some guys or in the past but not for me. Allows a girl to get in her head. How much does she like you. Is it really worth it. You know his fingernails were a little dirty. Whatever. Rather with dinner and drinks you are both a little drunk. Laughing and having fun and it naturally flows to the bedroom. Neither one is considering the nuances of the relationship or the state of their fingernails. Dinner. Drinks. Bedroom. That's the formula IMO.

[LshRoomer]

I'the def avoid the coffee dates. My experience is it doesn't work well maybe it did for some guys or in the past but not for me. Allows a girl to get in her head. How much does she like you. Is it really worth it. You know his fingernails were a little dirty. Whatever. Rather with dinner and drinks you are both a little drunk. Laughing and having fun and it naturally flows to the bedroom. Neither one is considering the nuances of the relationship or the state of their fingernails. Dinner. Drinks. Bedroom. That's the formula IMO.Agreed. Almost identical to my normal formula. Drinks and / or dinner, more drinks, shisha, back to the spot.

In my current experiment, I was looking for someone to link up with during the day, so my normal flow was quite interrupted and coffee dates and brunches become drinks / dinner daytime equivalent. I much prefer the relaxed environment of a hookah lounge or chill bar and the ambiance that the night time brings with it. Surprisingly, there are quite a few responses for daytime availability, but my effort has severely decreased in regards to the daytime experiment. On the flip side, my focus is totally renewed with new prospects in Lisbon and Madrid (1st time in Portugal). Put out some feelers and already the responses have been quite favorable. Love the rollercoaster.

02.

[Turgid]

Have any of you guys ever met downright 100% pros on Seeking?

[DramaFree11]

Agreed. Almost identical to my normal formula. Drinks and / or dinner, more drinks, shisha, back to the spot.

In my current experiment, I was looking for someone to link up with during the day, so my normal flow was quite interrupted and coffee dates and brunches become drinks / dinner daytime equivalent. I much prefer the relaxed environment of a hookah lounge or chill bar and the ambiance that the night time brings with it. Surprisingly, there are quite a few responses for daytime availability, but my effort has severely decreased in regards to the daytime experiment. On the flip side, my focus is totally renewed with new prospects in Lisbon and Madrid (1st time in Portugal). Put out some feelers and already the responses have been quite favorable. Love the rollercoaster..Totally agree, but in Mexico, lunch dates are fine. 9 out 10 times the girl are planning on having sex, if there is any chemistry at all. In America lunch dates are big waste of time, normally. Not to mention my phone is blowing up from work. In the evening I can turn the phone off and relax.

[LshRoomer]

Have any of you guys ever met downright 100% pros on Seeking?I've come across them, but never engaged. When you write your regular Hello, and they respond with a number. LOL. It can't be more obvious.

Also, during conversation you can tell by how they attempt to limit their losses or they want to come directly to your hotel or to their place, etc. The more professional the SB, the more I'm turned off.

02.

[Steve 9696]

Have any of you guys ever met downright 100% pros on Seeking?As shroomer said picking the pros out early is easy. Early in my career I did proceed with one pro. She was an hour late and in bed said she was too tired to cowgirl. LOL. Boo. But that's 1/50 and I knew going in. Proper screening will avoid it.

P.S. Straight to room strangely is not always a tell. I've had three straight-to-room girls who were semi pros if pro at all. They were worried about being seen on the town by their friends of whatever. Seemed absolutely legit. Nice girls. In all cases we talked for over an hour over wine in the room before getting down.

Funny aside, one of these girls had her 23rd birthday in my room! You might think she was BSing but she took the Happy Birthday call from her mom about two hours into our wine laden conversation. While she was distracted talking to her mom I took off her spike fuck-me boots and it was on when she got off the phone! LOL. Can't make this shit up!

[Gfefan]

If things go south with SB, and you have exposure, yes.

Don't want to scare you but, for example, I am married and happily so. Don't want an SB, if and when she is miffed with me, ruin my personal life with evidence. Some smart SB's might sfill find some but why leave something known on the table?!

P. S: I am super happy in my mariage and don't want to lose it. Sex shucks though. I am struggling to answer whether I got in to SA because of poor sex at home or SA got me to realize sex is poor at home. Shucks.


Quite often, an SB will take a picture of us together, especially when we are dressed up or out on the town having a fun time. You guys think there's any downsides to her having a picture of us together? Some of the pictures give away that we are cozy together. Keep in mind that I try to stay anonymous as much as possible. Thanks for your thoughts.

[Elvis 2008]

I'the def avoid the coffee dates. My experience is it doesn't work well maybe it did for some guys or in the past but not for me. Allows a girl to get in her head. How much does she like you. Is it really worth it. You know his fingernails were a little dirty. Whatever. Rather with dinner and drinks you are both a little drunk. Laughing and having fun and it naturally flows to the bedroom. Neither one is considering the nuances of the relationship or the state of their fingernails. Dinner. Drinks. Bedroom. That's the formula IMO.Steve, the issue with dinner for me was getting stuck with a woman whose pics and attitude I did not like. I can tell within 5 minutes if I am interested or not. If I am not, I want to bail. Maybe you screened better than I did, but I thought a quick coffee was the way to go. In the USA, it was always sex on the second meet save for once or twice. Abroad, it was usually same day.

There were many times I met the woman and was just not interested in her at all.

[Elvis 2008]

Quite often, an SB will take a picture of us together, especially when we are dressed up or out on the town having a fun time. You guys think there's any downsides to her having a picture of us together? Some of the pictures give away that we are cozy together. Keep in mind that I try to stay anonymous as much as possible. Thanks for your thoughts.
If things go south with SB, and you have exposure, yes.

Don't want to scare you but, for example, I am married and happily so. Don't want an SB, if and when she is miffed with me, ruin my personal life with evidence. Some smart SB's might sfill find some but why leave something known on the table?!

P. S: I am super happy in my mariage and don't want to lose it. Sex shucks though. I am struggling to answer whether I got in to SA because of poor sex at home or SA got me to realize sex is poor at home. Shucks.MW, how many photos do you think there are of the two of you together otherwise? Hotel cameras? Traffic cams? You can ping locations on your cell phone and see she is with you. So the only issue is the SB has the photo.

GFE Fan shares similar concerns that I did, but I have been through this. First off, I think every wife knows if a guy is messing around. They just shut it out of their mind. Really, the wife should only get concerned if you catch feelings. Women know how men are. The main thing is you just do not throw your infidelity in her face IMO.

I do not know why men are worried about blackmail but not worried about the woman stealing. They are both illegal, and a woman who tried to extort money from basketball coach Rick Pitino was put away in federal lockup for 7 years: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/430729-rick-pitino-woman-found-guilty-of-extorting-kentucky-coach-after-sex.

The way a woman could legally extort money out of you IMO is via pregnancy but a pic makes no difference there. Even with that though, there are so many guys throwing money at the hotties in the USA that if things did not work out, the woman could find another guy easily especially if the woman was hot.

So what happens if somehow the wife gets the pic? You lie about it. When I was caught by my ex, I could have lied again and nothing would have happened, but I was tired of lying, and I did not deny it. Furthermore, I said I have more than one SB and the SBs make me happy and you do not. I think I too would have said at some point during this time when I was cheating, I was happily married too. Now that I am out of my marriage, and it is just my opinion, but any guy who says they are "happily married" while seeing other women really isn't.

So add it all up. Blackmail is very unlikely. The wife probably already knows, but the supposed worst, your wife finding out and wanting to leave you in my case was not the worst that happened. Yeah, divorce sucked, and you do not want to go there, but when it ends, then you really get to see how your marriage was, and in my case, ending the marriage was a huge relief. The stress of hiding, the unhappiness, the lack of freedom were weighing me down where more than I though. Guys are constantly saying they can handle the stress, but it wears on you.

And you know what they say about women's quality of life going way downhill after divorce? Yeah, that was way true with my ex.

So really outside of any hurt feelings, I do not see much downside to being in a pic with your SB then. Just make sure she does not put it up on social media.

[DramaFree11]

Steve, the issue with dinner for me was getting stuck with a woman whose pics and attitude I did not like. I can tell within 5 minutes if I am interested or not. If I am not, I want to bail. Maybe you screened better than I did, but I thought a quick coffee was the way to go. In the USA, it was always sex on the second meet save for once or twice. Abroad, it was usually same day.

There were many times I met the woman and was just not interested in her at all.I always meet them in the Bar of a decent restaurant, for drinks and appetizers. This gives you options, you can stay at the bar, go have dinner if she is hotter in person, or end the date quickly, if there is no chemistry or fake pictures.

[Midwestern]

If things go south with SB, and you have exposure, yes.

Don't want to scare you but, for example, I am married and happily so. Don't want an SB, if and when she is miffed with me, ruin my personal life with evidence. Some smart SB's might sfill find some but why leave something known on the table?!

P. S: I am super happy in my mariage and don't want to lose it. Sex shucks though. I am struggling to answer whether I got in to SA because of poor sex at home or SA got me to realize sex is poor at home. Shucks.I am especially worried about two things. She may post the picture on social media, to either find my identity by asking if anyone knows me by my picture, or she does it innocently and someone I know sees it. Or, she uses the pic to do a reverse image search on Google. Since we can all afford to be SDs, most of us probably have a LinkedIn profile. Several of my SBs have found my identity with a little bit of sleuthing which led to my LinkedIn profile.

[Midwestern]

I'm in the middle of a business trip, and of course it includes play time with gals. A FR is coming soon, but I thought I'd share some quick tidbits.

1. I invited one of my former SBs to meet me. But becasue Steve pointed out that I may be overpaying them on trips, I realized he was right and so I told her that I couldn't afford givng her the usual shopping money amount, and she said that it was fine. However, during our time together, I could tell she was a little unhappy about the lower shopping money.

What did I realize from this? Precedent is everything. Once you establish a precedent, then deviating from it, especially in a negative way for the gal, is going to be a downer for the relationshp and the time together. That is, once I give X amount, I am setting a precendent and it will be hard to give less than X in the future. So I have to think carefully if I ever want to be excessively generous. And as an aside, I now do realize that I have been too generous in the past.

2. I also inivted my new SB to meet me. She didn't want to come at first, but I talked her into it. She was going to arrive after the my former SB was leaving. But before my new SB was to arrive, she was asking me about picking her up at the train station, about what we were going to do on this trip, etc. This is all okay, but I was getting exhausted from my trip, and so I told her not to come. Luckily, she was able to get refunds for her booked train and booked hotel.

What did realize from this? If an SB is not excited about going on a trip, then do not oversell it. She needs to contribute to the fun, and I also feel that she has to be low maintenance, for me to enjoy being on a trip with an SB.

3. With my new found free time, since my new SB was not coming, I hit up an old GF who is often DTF whenever I am in town on business. Well, luckily, she agreed to come to my room. It had been a couple of years since the last time I saw her. She does not drink. In the room, it is a little awkward. Usually, alcohol kills any awkwardness, as you guys (including Steve) are all aware, and so at first it was just so awkward, trying to go from chit chat to the bed. Then suddenly I remembered one of my modes of operating when I was a young womanizer. I always had music on. And so I quickly turned on some music (old school rap). This eliminated the awkward silence, and everything flowed smoothly thereafter.

What did I realize from this? Having music on in the room helps a lot with setting the mood. No akward silence.

[Midwestern]

I have mentioned this a few times over the past few years on this forum. I just do not like dinner dates as a first date with an SB. Two reasons. First, like Elvis says, I can usually tell right away if I am going to have chemistry with a gal, and if I sense that I will not, then I hate being stuck with her for dinner. Second, usually after dinner, with our bellies full, neither she nor I am totally in the mood for play time. But I agree that Steve does a great job at screening, and so this is probably why dinner dates work for him. I am horrible at screening. Many times we had chemistry on text or on calls, but in person the chemistry was not there.

Yeah, I have encountered pros on SA. Pretty easy to pick out. If they don't not do some back and forth on text before the first meet, they are likely to be a pro from my experience.

Yeah, I have encountered mega losers (like the one LshRoomer described) on SA. Not only the kind that he described, but there are a lot of drug addicts and other kinds of losers on SA. This is to be expected. Before I joined SA, I always thought my secretary was a loser for being just a secretary. But after meeting many, many, many gals on SA, I realized that my secretary was a total winner and that she had her shit totally together. She works hard, she owns a home, she raised a kid, she takes vacations every year. So yeah, maybe avoiding the older gals on the site is a good idea. But that said, I am not into the ones that are in college or just graduated. I met a lot of them. We just had nothing in common. And so my favorite age range was from 24 to 26. She has some exposure to the real world, but she is still young enough that she may not be a loser.

[Midwestern]

MW, how many photos do you think there are of the two of you together otherwise? Hotel cameras? Traffic cams? You can ping locations on your cell phone and see she is with you. So the only issue is the SB has the photo.

GFE Fan shares similar concerns that I did, but I have been through this. First off, I think every wife knows if a guy is messing around. They just shut it out of their mind. Really, the wife should only get concerned if you catch feelings. Women know how men are. The main thing is you just do not throw your infidelity in her face IMO.

I do not know why men are worried about blackmail but not worried about the woman stealing. They are both illegal, and a woman who tried to extort money from basketball coach Rick Pitino was put away in federal lockup for 7 years: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/430729-rick-pitino-woman-found-guilty-of-extorting-kentucky-coach-after-sex.

The way a woman could legally extort money out of you IMO is via pregnancy but a pic makes no difference there. Even with that though, there are so many guys throwing money at the hotties in the USA that if things did not work out, the woman could find another guy easily especially if the woman was hot.

So what happens if somehow the wife gets the pic? You lie about it. When I was caught by my ex, I could have lied again and nothing would have happened, but I was tired of lying, and I did not deny it. Furthermore, I said I have more than one SB and the SBs make me happy and you do not. I think I too would have said at some point during this time when I was cheating, I was happily married too. Now that I am out of my marriage, and it is just my opinion, but any guy who says they are "happily married" while seeing other women really isn't.

So add it all up. Blackmail is very unlikely. The wife probably already knows, but the supposed worst, your wife finding out and wanting to leave you in my case was not the worst that happened. Yeah, divorce sucked, and you do not want to go there, but when it ends, then you really get to see how your marriage was, and in my case, ending the marriage was a huge relief. The stress of hiding, the unhappiness, the lack of freedom were weighing me down where more than I though. Guys are constantly saying they can handle the stress, but it wears on you.

And you know what they say about women's quality of life going way downhill after divorce? Yeah, that was way true with my ex.

So really outside of any hurt feelings, I do not see much downside to being in a pic with your SB then. Just make sure she does not put it up on social media.All good points. At the end of the day, there's no way we can cover our asses. I have told every SD, every monger, and every cheater that I know, that we should only do this if we are ready to face the consequences, both the forseen and unforseen, and be okay with having to deal with them. Sure enogh, my friends that I tell this too just scoff or brush it off, but two cheaters that I know eventually got caught, and because their cheating was borderline of the illegal variety and excessive, they both lost their jobs, not just their families.

[Turgid]

The more I read about Seeking the more I am liking it. I may not wait until my Mexico City trip to try it for the first time. I have been to every type of pro establishment there is under the sun and I have done escorts; I have also met genuine non-pros on dating sites. The only approach left for me now is Seeking.

[The Cane]

The more I read about Seeking the more I am liking it. I may not wait until my Mexico City trip to try it for the first time. I have been to every type of pro establishment there is under the sun and I have done escorts; I have also met genuine non-pros on dating sites. The only approach left for me now is Seeking.That's exactly how I felt about it too. Did it for 90 days and experienced from the absolute high to the lows. Just be forewarned that if you try it in the States then you're going to find yourself slogging through knee-deep bullshit, and will probably end up having many, many less than stellar experiences overall. The site is full of fakes, flakes, scammers, and con games making it not worth my time. You might find otherwise, but I doubt it, especially if you're using it to meet women in the States. If you do go there good luck (and report back)!

[Foolish]

Took me forever to actually sit down write this out, just too many thoughts. You can skip the preamble, but this is more me documenting the journey.

I share a similar experience with many of you, IE western relationship, then starting out at massage, then "safe" GFE, then escorts / fkks, etc. My appreciation for GFE (the experience, not the acronyms) was developed not only with civvie girls, but also after spending many sessions with escorts and having the rollercoaster of good & bad experiences (and some jading on my part). In our local scene, privacy and safety are tilted to the max: IE talking about unsafe practices (BBFS), or trying to ask escorts out (or find out about their personal lives) is a big nono. People get banned / blacklisted / blasted by forums / agencies / girls / white knights on forums, etc.

When Twitter took off in this space, things changed a bit. You could start chatting directly (although many stated not to waste time in DMs, etc) and I started to get to know a few well known / regarded ladies. Agencies and Indy escorts started having these private (you had to use your alias at the door / guestlist only) meet and greet events during the holidays, boat cruises around the harbor or even parties in other cities.

There was one lady that I started talking to that we hit it off in chat and she was super nice and a shy type from overseas. Even though I had grown up admiring the supermodels (Karen Mulder, Cindy see, Naomi see etc), I had met very few women remotely of that body type or had been in the bedroom with them. She definitely fit in that camp bodywise, 5'10", 110 lb, 34-22-34. Some people don't believe in chemistry (Colombia forums ha), but we hit it off (I tried to extend our first session, but she had another appt). I was slightly disappointed, but she told me to visit her off the books when she wasn't seeing other clients. Too good to be true? It definitely wasn't something kosher in our scene (using agency hotels during "off times", etc), but went with the flow. Shyly asked her out to dinners / etc not knowing that she was into me. Even though she definitely needed the money, she would never let me pay for anything, ever. Went on short trips to other city industry events and dinners and lots of bedroom time. She was so new to everything, she clung to me at these meet and greets. Long story short, I pre-empted any relationship journey by telling her I wasn't looking for anything. At that point, I was also hanging out with another popular lady off the books. I guess I wanted the dream to go on forever ha.

Long story short, times with her set the standard of what GFE is to me. Long, passionate sessions that just kept going and going organically and just felt right without too much discussion. After about 6-7 months, she sort of disappeared and I found out later, that she found a BF. I didn't expect her to just drop off the scene, but I definitely understand the whole thing a bit more now. I definitely have some regrets, but not sure I would have done things differently (not ready to blow up the home situ or string her along). It wasn't a perfect relationship by any means, she was definitely stubborn about me helping her out financially (9 months later, she still needed money, showed up back in the escort scene and wouldn't even let her BF help) and then changed her # after they broke up. Ever since then, haven't really done the P4 P thing in years.

Seeking.

With my first trip to Brazil a while back, decided to also check out Seeking. I had joined many years before, but never coughed up the fee (got one of those 30% offers for about $88 usd). I had started favoriting girls in Brazil about a month out. Two weeks before landing in SP, I used the JokerCard (actually MC not VISA that I previously reported) and started messaging about 20 SP & a bunch of Rio profiles. Thanks Steve for posting your guide again, followed a lot of your suggestions (along with everyone else). Here for any new readers:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2782507&viewfull=1#post2782507

For context, I wanted to try a few of the different venues / styles of the hobby in SP, so didn't spend crazy amounts of time focusing on SK. Wanted to check out clinicas, boates, etc.

As part of my SP review, wrote a section up on the one Seeking experience I had in SP:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2809404&viewfull=1#post2809404

I don't really speak Porto at all, but it was a fairly seamless experience messaging girls for a bit and eventually transitioning offsite. Hard to say whether they had basic English or were seamlessly translating. My "gathering profile" experience was delayed as I waited until I arrived before getting another SIM for Whatsapp. I focussed on about 5 ladies, 1 which ended up being a dominatrix (which isn't really my thing, but she was a model type and very fashionable). 1 pretty MILF with fake T&A wanted 2 k BRL, which I ghosted. A couple of young spinners seemed up for drinks & action, but didn't really speak English (they were asking 900 BRL), so let those sort of die off (one offered another friend spinner / school girl style which I declined). I was left with a branca gamer / anime girl and a ruiva MILF. The MILF was busy during the weekend (we also had a slight misunderstanding about her posting "sugaring only" If I was only doing Seeking or in a place with less clubs / venues, would have definitely gathered a bigger funnel. I was hanging out with another BM / wingman and the gamer girl ended up responding pretty quickly asking if I prefer chatting in Porto or in English. So I went along with the process. She was looking also for 900 BRL, but was looking for an additional gift (ridiculous ask, but she does this naturally ha). Was mulling it over, but it was a Sunday and not too many night time options as I had already gone to Casarao and wasn't looking for a club atmosphere that night. Parted ways with wingman, headed back to the hotel for a quick nap. She has expensive tastes, so asked her to find an alternative gift. Almost didn't work out, wasn't too pressured either way.

Interlude: I know this doesn't seem to happen too often on Seeking, but I realized that another BM had been with her previously and had a good experience (later would find yet another BM who posts a lot got her referral and saw her as well). I tried to reach out to the first BM, but didn't get a response in time get a better idea of the deal that was made. All I read was that she was out of the city and would take a long time but the experience was good.

So in the meantime (with Steve's guidance in my head), we discussed the date: grabbing dinner / drinks and then back to my place for a few hours, which she was cool with. Also any likes / dislikes in the bedroom (I don't have any crazy fetishes. Yet ha). So we basically agreed for allowance to be what I mentioned previously and a gift (approx 3-400 brl, but had to figure out the "how" a bit). She definitely has a bit of the shell game about her being broke / needing stuff. Her phone was having issues (trying to move the target / deal), more on this later.

We Whatsapp video chat to verify and while she didn't have her glam look on, she could definitely communicate in English, was pretty and had good vibes, so all good there. Now for the timing shenanigans as I would come to expect. It took her 2 hours to get ready and then almost 2 hours to get to me. So we're messaging to keep track of timing, etc and she can't get off the phone repair thing (she does some sort of camming or live chat stuff so needs it). I'm sure most of you are saying, WTF is this fixing phone stuff, get to dinner & bedroom damn it!? She eventually arrived at the hotel, I jumped in the Uber and we tried to go to a phone store at the mall (at 9:45 pm) to get a quote. I knew this would sort of happen, but the mall was quiet and most stores were closed. Seeing as we missed dinner, etc, I change gears (part of my moving parts plan), check guiademoteis (can see discount offers with map feature) and see if she wanted to explore a love hotel with me (and basically get an overnight out of it). She quickly agreed. WIN, get to check off a few boxes, seeking, overnight & love hotel.

More on the anime girl: approx 5'6", 90 lbs, dark brunette / black hair (she changes her style a lot and had white-ish tails). Asked her to dress conservatively and she came in a school-girl-esque long shirt, skirt, stockings and loafers w / makeup to match and straight bangs. Funny that I'm sensitive to smokers, but couldn't detect it at all while kissing. Almost perfect natural body to me except for maybe that "divot" I encounter sometimes with spinners above their coochie that is missing a bit of cushioning. No worries though, no problems hitting from behind, ha.

So we settled into our room with "hidro", etc and were getting comfy. So in general, she was pretty demure and low key, cutesy and calm. But once we got undressed, she had a quiet intensity about her. Had some make out in the hot tub, but generally just chatting and getting to know each other more. Really good kissing (not surprising that all the ladies I met in Brazil can kiss). Beautiful soft BJ, but had to get her pseudo death grip hands off. Really nice "be" cups and going down on her was nice. Did various positions over the long love making session, but the highlight definitely was her riding ability. Once she got on top of me, she rode for a long time. I didn't time it LOL. But definitely had the most stamina I've encountered, probably 30 min+ in cowgirl alone. I know there was some discussion on the Rio forum about some guys having problems lasting too long or shooting too fast (can't have it all), but if I'm having a good time, definitely want it to last a lot longer than if the experience isn't great. Seeing her ride with different rhythms alongside w / soft moans will be cemented as one of my favorite bedroom memories. I asked if I could finish in her mouth, she said "no problem, are you close?" Ended up having a gentle facesmashing action and she swallowed every drop. It was probably 3 am at that point and getting sleepy tired, we finished and called it a night.

In the morning, while getting ready to head out, she asked if I had the cash on me as she has been scammed before. So for those keeping track, I still owe her a gift (but already been with her for 12 hours, so no issues there. Ended up grabbing breakfast at a cafe, went to the mall again to check phone repair cost. Was pretty pricy, wasn't going to commit to so much extra. Decided on trying to figure out the other gift portion, so we did some local shopping. So found a suitable gift but was more expensive than her estimate (she wanted me to order something on her account earlier w / my own payment method, definite no). Anyway, I realize at that point, I can either just top up some cash and call it a day. I decided to counter with fixing her phone and this gift for basically another day (maybe could have gotten her to stay night too, but was pretty tired from the previous night).

Long story short, we hung out all day, running around checking out some places I wanted to eat & drink. Finished with another great session at the hotel.

After this experience, I realized why so many guys don't the shopping or actual "gift" girls. Too many moving targets, definitely would not try to replicate this experience with someone else.

That being said, I had a really good time. Her "struggle to survive" vs "I want pricy stuff" game gave me some good chuckles but I made sure that I clearly defined what I'm committing to or not. We enjoy the same music, have great chemistry in bed and feels like a low key GF (as opposed to too flamboyant in public) while we're together. Would probably take her on a trip to a beach or other destination where there is little action to be had. But have to firm up the deal way beforehand. I saw how imports are pretty heavily taxed first hand in Brazil from other places.

Turgid, if you have the $ and the patience / time for sorting through girls online, Seeking is worth a shot, especially since I believe you like slim, pretty types and GFE experiences (clear your PMs ha). I definitely am a believer. Way less time constraints / paying for time, hopefully good chemistry (need to filter like Steve) and potentially high level of illusion (while turfing the immediate pros).

Midwestern, I have only broken the no photo rule with one girl, but I usually avoid any media (photos or vids) with the ladies.

Everyone else, good points on dinner being a slog if you don't get along w / in 5 minutes. I really enjoy good company at dinner, whether civvie or pro, but that usually comes later. I like DF's suggestion of good hotel bar where you can pivot pretty easily to room or dinner depending on the situ.

Anyone have experience with Meu Patrocinio? There seems to be tons of pretty / tall model types on there for Sao Paulo. Been favoriting like SK but can't message without the monthly fee.

Will probably stick to arrangements while travelling for now. Random #s: I filtered in SP for slim 20-27 year olds. About 700. I favorited about 5% to my taste. In my local home area, there are 2400!! Results with these specs of every color of the spectrum. Definitely lots of options, but not ready for that at the moment. Will have to live vicariously through you all. Thanks all for sharing your thoughts and experiences.

Cheers,

F.

[Steve 9696]

Great report Foolish and glad I could help. Regarding Meu Patricinio — only works if you are in Brazil (or fake it via vpn). Otherwise the buy button never enables. I verified this with customer support. Those who have used it say it's good.

[Intelligencium]

Folks,

I have been chatting with a girl from Spain for an upcoming trip there. We really hit it off and I've got a lot of joy pay few weeks just chatting with her. Lot of good connection, good chemistry etc. I'll meet her when I get there, but I wanted to do something small and nice for her while we keep chatting until then. Any suggestions for a food delivery gift card (or something like that) that I can buy from US which she can use in Spain? Also, I don't want my real name associated with the gift in any way, so something preferably that cannot be tied back to me.

[AmericanPi]

The more I read about Seeking the more I am liking it. I may not wait until my Mexico City trip to try it for the first time. I have been to every type of pro establishment there is under the sun and I have done escorts; I have also met genuine non-pros on dating sites. The only approach left for me now is Seeking.Cdmx was my first too.

It's hard to replicate how good it is. It's such a large city, and the dollar is so strong relative to the peso, that you simply have options.

Enjoy.

[Steve 9696]

Folks,

I have been chatting with a girl from Spain for an upcoming trip there. We really hit it off and I've got a lot of joy pay few weeks just chatting with her. Lot of good connection, good chemistry etc. I'll meet her when I get there, but I wanted to do something small and nice for her while we keep chatting until then. Any suggestions for a food delivery gift card (or something like that) that I can buy from US which she can use in Spain? Also, I don't want my real name associated with the gift in any way, so something preferably that cannot be tied back to me.Sorry I know is it's not what you asked but this is a super BAD idea in two ways. First it sets a precedent that you are an easy mark. Once you set a bar that your going to send her gifts for basically doing nothing, she will expect this in the future and when you stop she will be disappointed. Second it is a DISincentive to meeting up. If she can get free money from you for doing nothing why in the world would she get all dressed up and fuck you?

Super super bad idea. Sorry.

[Foolish]

Regarding Meu Patricinio only works if you are in Brazil (or fake it via vpn). Otherwise the buy button never enables. I verified this with customer support. Those who have used it say it's good.Thanks, glad to know there's reports of some success on MP. I just checked out the upgrades for fun, looks like they've added a "card issued abroad" option. I have a CPF, so not sure if it will work as is (reminds me of buying flight tickets, Azul=easy, Latam=tricky). Will definitely try the VPN options if it doesn't work as is. Worst case, focus on seeking earlier and MP while I'm down there.


but I wanted to do something small and nice for her while we keep chatting until thenHey IC. I definitely understand the excitement, but this is the first rule of this hobby (in whatever style): never pay before meeting. In some brothel or streetwalker situs, they demand $ upfront and it's normal for a given locale; Or an established escort who is known to take small deposits electronically (even this goes south eventually w / some providers, so beware). But in this sugar / seeking space, I would agree w / Steve: terrible idea. Let's say you have video chat / verified with whatever method. This means the girl is probably real, but could be a scammer or working w / a guy, etc. Even if you decided to bring gifts / etc (some guys like buying little sample perfumes or generic things), I would reserve that for after you have consummated in the bedroom. But remember, this always sets precedence (as below) and don't be surprised if later on the girl gets disappointed with no gifts, it's just human nature. These considerations tell me that the "gift" side of these relationships can be pretty random and I'm sure there are folks who it works for, but probably not for early on. This is the same as buying a gift from the seeking "gift wishlist". Don't do it.

F.

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[Turgid]

That's exactly how I felt about it too. Did it for 90 days and experienced from the absolute high to the lows. Just be forewarned that if you try it in the States then you're going to find yourself slogging through knee-deep bullshit, and will probably end up having many, many less than stellar experiences overall. The site is full of fakes, flakes, scammers, and con games making it not worth my time. You might find otherwise, but I doubt it, especially if you're using it to meet women in the States. If you do go there good luck (and report back)!Some time ago you were posting about a hot blonde you met on Seeking in the States and the great times you had with her. That is one of the incentives for trying it here. I have been warned. Nevertheless, I do plan to try it in whatever destination is my next.

[The Cane]

Some time ago you were posting about a hot blonde you met on Seeking in the States and the great times you had with her. That is one of the incentives for trying it here. I have been warned. Nevertheless, I do plan to try it in whatever destination is my next.Yeah, that experience with "Abby" was the absolute highest of the high. I mean I think that had to be as good as it gets. You meet somebody within the first few weeks of trying out the site who's for real who looks just like what you like to "yank off" to in every way LMAO! You're bareback fucking her and "nutting" inside of her for six months. All for only $250 per meet in a Tier 1 metro market (her inexperienced quote) with some lunches, dinners, relatively inexpensive gifts, and outings thrown in here and there. My God! When I think back on it sometimes I wish it hadn't happened. That I had such a smashing success in the very beginning. Because of what came after meeting her. I mean you know a monger can't settle on just one. A monger wants to fuck another one and another one and another one!

All of the worst aspects of being on the site with people wasting my time and / or trying to scam me came out in the subsequent weeks and months, turning me off to the site. I mean I admit I'm not a patient man. If I want something, then I want it now. I'm busy and don't have time for bullshit! I figure that if I hadn't met her and been fucking her for six months before she moved then I could just say that SA sucks and that's that! But because I had that superlative success. Because I hit that "walk off grand slam home run", I have that nagging thought in the back of my mind. That I can do it again. I have that nagging and persistent "feeling" within me. That I should go for it again. If only! I still look at profiles every single day. But I have not gone that route again. Good luck my friend! Whether you swat your own grand slam or strike out every single time, we want to hear all of the gory details. Yes sir we do!

[Turgid]

That's exactly how I felt about it too. Did it for 90 days and experienced from the absolute high to the lows. Just be forewarned that if you try it in the States then you're going to find yourself slogging through knee-deep bullshit, and will probably end up having many, many less than stellar experiences overall. The site is full of fakes, flakes, scammers, and con games making it not worth my time. You might find otherwise, but I doubt it, especially if you're using it to meet women in the States. If you do go there good luck (and report back)!Some time ago you were posting about this stunner blonde you met on Seeking and the great times you had with her. That is one of the incentives for trying it here. I have been warned. Nevertheless, I do plan to try it in whatever destination is my next.

[Steve 9696]

I am coaching this guy a bit and he has a trip coming and trying to plan what girl to see. I realized my advice to him might be useful to others. When I visit a city for several days this is my tried and true approach.

You're going to be chatting up a lot of hotties. And a few will emerge. And one will emerge as your favorite. You may be inclined to lock her up and focus on her and start talking about seeing her for several days. Don't do it. You have to sample the buffet before you fill your plate. So do this. Put your fave girl on day 1 and second fave on day 2 and third fave on day 3. Prob stop there. Now proceed with those dates and pick you fave and repeat with her days 4+. Now it can happen that you are smitten with day 1 girl. Ok you can cancel the others no harm no foul (work plans changes). But unless she's just your queen, proceed with dates 2 and three and come back to her.

This totally works and optimizes. Look you got to see hopefully three great girls and then pick the best! Don't lock in on one girl via chat. Create a small buffet and sample it. Then load up the plate.

If any of you remember my epic first Vegas trip girl 3 ended up being my fave. But I repeated with girls 1 and 3. And ended up long term with Girl 1 (Alexa) who I am going to see soon 3. 5 years after our first date.

[FastMdSter]

It's coming up on 1 year since I joined SA because of the posts in this forum. So I wanted to give back. Have not had a any FR in along time.

SA was an unbelievable success. I had used tinder in the past and much better on SA.

Locations: USA-NYC / NJ (homebase), PA, FL, Chicago, Seattle, CA-SFO / Sonoma.

Europe-Paris, Berlin, Frankfurt, Munich, Vienna, London, Warsaw, Madrid, Barcelona, Lisbon, London, Zurich.

CDMX.

Canada-Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto.

Best areas for me in order: Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, CDMX, Frankfurt, Berlin, Madrid, Barcelona-USA dead last.

Time spent: a lot more than escorts.

Money:

I don't provide any gifts, gift cards etc. I will provide dinners at the best restaurants, bottles etc because that's what I would do for myself.

CDMX is the best value. Canada is my favorite. Then Germany, Warsaw, Spain, Lisbon, Paris, London is a different fish.

I had a 65/35 ratio.

65% of the time it cost me a night / day out, which could be anywhere from $300-$1500 depending on where I chose to eat and how much we drank.

Most expensive night was in London, Dinner at Nobu and then partying at Novakov with 2 stunners, started with 1, and she called her friend, that was 5 figure night, which led to a unforgettable weekend.

35% of the time it averaged $400-$500 full night.

Type: I go for only 8+ (for reference- Gal Gadot, Margot Robbie, Ana Darmas, Emily Ratakovski are who I consider 8+ Sofia Vegara / shakira / Charlie Theron-older lady types).

Blonde / Brunette, slim / athletic / fit mostly caucasian / european or latin. I'm not attracted to asian women.

What I look for: I am a PSE guy, after I achieve that, full GFE. Anal is preferred, but not required. BBBJ necessary and BBFS is what I go for.

Age: 18-30 for longer engagements, 25-35 when just need to nut, 35-40 easiest for quick release.

Summary:

I was fortunate that after my 2nd month I found a unicorn that was on SA for 1 week and fit my ideal woman (let's call her Saturn) for me 5'9' Blonde, Blue eyes, rock solid athletic body, normal with a great personality, incredible sex (more on this later).

But, was not going to settle down again. So I continued looking.

What I learned, it's numbers, confidence, and luck-the same as life. We absolutely have the upper hand. Most of the guys are extremely desperate and if you are solid in your game, presentable, confident, and don't come off like a freak, you will get far.

But, you need to keep your guard up until you feel comfortable with your gut. Follow your instinct.

I believe you need to transition them off the SA platform within the first 48 hrs of messaging. WhatsApp or text.

Once you have done that, determine if she would be a longer engagement or emergency release. You need both. Because, you will be in a city and a meeting will run over, last minute board call etc and your target may genuinely not be able to make it. That's when the emergency release comes into play.

Play your game accordingly. Vary it by the target, region, age etc. I never bring up numbers, unless they ask specifically. Then I throw it back to them-"I want you to be comfortable, because I think we vibe and blah blah".

Facetime / Videocall-no video, I don't go.

You set the place. So you feel in control. Then in person, decide quickly to play the rest of the game or forfeit.

Hope some of this helps those who are starting now.

What I will say is this: there are way more pros on the site right now, be very aware. It's ok if that's what your after.

Back to Saturn, I started to fly her wherever I was going, got very expensive (good thing for United's business class companion fare-helps if you are Global Services). She has never asked for any money at any time. But we were / are vibing hard. We have been to Europe many times now, Tokyo, Seoul, and a lot of cities in the US. She had told me she was in love so I went with it.

So we can became exclusive. She is currently moving across Canada to be closer to me in NYC at her cost.

But as we are all mongers, the force is to strong and continue to dabble here and there.

Good luck and be carefull.

[Ruch888]

Hi All,

Avid reader of this forum!!

My SA base is India mostly however I dabble in Dubai, Germany and London as well!!

Have an American Solo Vacation coming up so will be in LA, SF and surrounding areas for 10 days.

Can some of the seniors guide me on the way forward here. From what I read USA is overall hard to crack. I obviously don't want to spend money on WG's would prefer the SA vibe. Plus it is my birthday on the trip as well.

My plan is to get Nice fancy AirBnB's where I stay. I ocassionaly stone as well so hence planning it that way. Will also probably rent out a car for road trips and so on.

All help will be appreciated and reciprocated and if any of you fine gents are ever in India and need some inputs or connects will surely be able to help.

TIA.

[NapataJohn]

Hi All,.See the Vegas forum as Vegas is near and its very easy to pickup there. Or you can go to Tijuana very easily to Hong Kong Strip Club.

Hotels are better as here no one cares if someone comes to see you whereas Airbnb may have issues.

[FastMdSter]

Hi All,

Avid reader of this forum!!

My SA base is India mostly however I dabble in Dubai, Germany and London as well!!

Have an American Solo Vacation coming up so will be in LA, SF and surrounding areas for 10 days.

Can some of the seniors guide me on the way forward here. From what I read USA is overall hard to crack. I obviously don't want to spend money on WG's would prefer the SA vibe. Plus it is my birthday on the trip as well.

My plan is to get Nice fancy AirBnB's where I stay. I ocassionaly stone as well so hence planning it that way. Will also probably rent out a car for road trips and so on.

All help will be appreciated and reciprocated and if any of you fine gents are ever in India and need some inputs or connects will surely be able to help.

TIA.I would go with a hotel. Vegas has a mix of pro, semi-pro (waitresses / bottle girls etc). However, it's easy to score in bars / clubs there so I wouldn't bother.

LA has it all.

Happy birthday.

[Pk099]

Sorry to be a bad news bear, but IMO, SA in America sux.

You need lot of time and patience to score good SBs.

In 10 day trip, I would suggest, you shud stick to WGs. (Most of SA girls in LA / SF wud be WGs anyway).

Or try Mexico or Canada, you will have better chance of finding real SBs with great vibe.


Hi All,

Avid reader of this forum!!

My SA base is India mostly however I dabble in Dubai, Germany and London as well!!

Have an American Solo Vacation coming up so will be in LA, SF and surrounding areas for 10 days.

Can some of the seniors guide me on the way forward here. From what I read USA is overall hard to crack. I obviously don't want to spend money on WG's would prefer the SA vibe. Plus it is my birthday on the trip as well.

My plan is to get Nice fancy AirBnB's where I stay. I ocassionaly stone as well so hence planning it that way. Will also probably rent out a car for road trips and so on.

All help will be appreciated and reciprocated and if any of you fine gents are ever in India and need some inputs or connects will surely be able to help.

TIA.

[NapataJohn]

Best areas for me in order: Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto
By any chance did you get to bring a Canadian SB into Plattsburgh NY and spend 2 days there? I was thinking of doing that for a Canadian SB until I feel I can trust her better.

[Midwestern]

Sorry to be a bad news bear, but IMO, SA in America sux.

You need lot of time and patience to score good SBs.

In 10 day trip, I would suggest, you shud stick to WGs. (Most of SA girls in LA / SF wud be WGs anyway).

Or try Mexico or Canada, you will have better chance of finding real SBs with great vibe.Another suggestion for LA / SF are the AMPS. Maybe check out rub maps for intel. Some of the hottest gals that I have ever had the pleasure do the deed with were in West Coast AMPS.

[Gfefan]

+1. The sense of entitlement and attitude of girls in US SA has made me retreat. They are not worth my time or $. Plus, you will see that world starts at Atlantic coast and ends at the Pacific coast for many of them. Hardly can hold a conversation (but call themaelves "educated" "Well traveled" = having visited LA from SFO, or Vegas from San Diego, knows "history" = since they were born 20 odd years ago, cultured means what "Hollywood" says is true about rest of world. "Smart" means an ability to talk you into spending $500 for a boring coffee chat and lame sex after.

I just can't wait to head back to Europe.


Sorry to be a bad news bear, but IMO, SA in America sux.

You need lot of time and patience to score good SBs.

In 10 day trip, I would suggest, you shud stick to WGs. (Most of SA girls in LA / SF wud be WGs anyway).

Or try Mexico or Canada, you will have better chance of finding real SBs with great vibe.

[The Cane]

+1. The sense of entitlement and attitude of girls in US SA has made me retreat. They are not worth my time or $. Plus, you will see that world starts at Atlantic coast and ends at the Pacific coast for many of them. Hardly can hold a conversation (but call themaelves "educated" "Well traveled" = having visited LA from SFO, or Vegas from San Diego, knows "history" = since they were born 20 odd years ago, cultured means what "Hollywood" says is true about rest of world. "Smart" means an ability to talk you into spending $500 for a boring coffee chat and lame sex after. I just can't wait to head back to Europe.What about the ones whose headlines say, "Read my profile first". But then when you scroll down you find that they haven't told you a damn thing about themselves (rolling eyes)! Maybe girls from other countries do the same thing. I don't know since I've only used SA in the States. I just find it to be pretty annoying. To tell people to read your profile, but then you haven't actually said jack shit about yourself, let alone taken the time to read my profile! What am I looking for? RTFF! LOLOLOL!

[Intelligencium]

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You have to sample the buffet before you fill your plate. So do this. Put your fave girl on day 1 and second fave on day 2 and third fave on day 3. Prob stop there. I have a shortlist of about 10 girls for my upcoming trip and 5-10 more who agreed to meet during chats. What the fuck do I do now? I only have a 10 day trip 😔.

[Gfefan]

Also profiles that have selfies and selfies only. That too from bathroom mirror. I straightaway block those. Pros masquerading. Nothing against pros. If you are a pro, just say that and we will work our interactions accordingly. I have a favorite pro I meet frequently. No nonsense. Gives me a BBBJCIM whenever I need a release. She doesn't masquerade as SB. Sometimes she even borrowed money from me (few 100's) and that sweet one paid me back (yes, she gave me the cash) next meeting but I politely refused.

The other nonsense with American girls is "My love language is receiving gifts". Idiots. What makes you think I am here to speak "love language" to you? Even if I did, my love language is shoving my dick up in your pussy. That is it. Happy to give gifts in exchange of that but "send me something from my wishlist so that I know you are serious". Yes, *****, I am serious about putting my dick inside. That can happen only when you spread your legs. So, ge your ass up to meet me or I am happy to block you. You want your love language? You first speak my love language.


What about the ones whose headlines say, "Read my profile first". But then when you scroll down you find that they haven't told you a damn thing about themselves (rolling eyes)! Maybe girls from other countries do the same thing. I don't know since I've only used SA in the States. I just find it to be pretty annoying. To tell people to read your profile, but then you haven't actually said jack shit about yourself, let alone taken the time to read my profile! What am I looking for? RTFF! LOLOLOL!

[NapataJohn]

I have a shortlist of about 10 girls for my upcoming trip and 5-10 more who agreed to meet during chats. What the fuck do I do now? I only have a 10 day trip.Many of them will flake so it is okay.

[CitizenX1]

Hey, I'll be traveling to Madrid this week and been talking to few gills before hand on seeking arragments.

My impression is that its more a escort site than a dating site.

I have a date no sex for 200 $.

And if I want more I need to pay.

Is it me or more than 90% are just profesional escort?

I've been trying for 2 days only and I am an ok looking guy.

Also please let me know if I am paying to much.

Although its always relative.

[Steve 9696]

Hey, I'll be traveling to Madrid this week and been talking to few gills before hand on seeking arragments.

My impression is that its more a escort site than a dating site.

I have a date no sex for 200 $.

And if I want more I need to pay.

Is it me or more than 90% are just profesional escort?

I've been trying for 2 days only and I am an ok looking guy.

Also please let me know if I am paying to much.

Although its always relative.Never ever pay for a no sex date. Ever.

Yes many pros. It takes time to find the non and semi pros. 2 days is not enough time to find quality. Because some girls only come on one a week. It's the pros who are on constantly.

$250-400 is prob going rate. Others chime in.

And of course Seeking isn’t ur only option. Vive is worth going to. Nightclub w girls for hire to onsite rooms. Search for Vive and u will find my and other reports.

[FastMdSter]

Hey, I'll be traveling to Madrid this week and been talking to few gills before hand on seeking arragments.

My impression is that its more a escort site than a dating site.

I have a date no sex for 200 $.

And if I want more I need to pay.

Is it me or more than 90% are just profesional escort?

I've been trying for 2 days only and I am an ok looking guy.

Also please let me know if I am paying to much.

Although its always relative.I concur with Steve. No payment for a plutonic date. Just say no.

In addition to Vive, I also like Pigmillion. Have had some good nights taking women back. There are some fast houses also.

SA is a grind. You need to grind it out. If not, just hit the pros.

[DramaFree11]

I concur with Steve. No payment for a plutonic date. Just say no.

In addition to Vive, I also like Pigmillion. Have had some good nights taking women back. There are some fast houses also.

SA is a grind. You need to grind it out. If not, just hit the pros.Hell no! No sex, no money. I think there is a very small percentage of guys that just pay for companionship, and of those guys many may have issues why they do not want to have sex.

[CitizenX1]

I concur with Steve. No payment for a plutonic date. Just say no.

In addition to Vive, I also like Pigmillion. Have had some good nights taking women back. There are some fast houses also.

SA is a grind. You need to grind it out. If not, just hit the pros.Thanks. Felt wrong when I talk to her.

Got another date with no money involved.

I imagine it will come up as we meet but will see how it goes.

The girl seems semi pro.

And said let's meet and we'll feel the vibe if we want more.

[RumblePirate]

Hey, I'll be traveling to Madrid this week and been talking to few gills before hand on seeking arragments.

My impression is that its more a escort site than a dating site.

I have a date no sex for 200 $.

And if I want more I need to pay.

Is it me or more than 90% are just profesional escort?

I've been trying for 2 days only and I am an ok looking guy.

Also please let me know if I am paying to much.

Although its always relative.You are not just paying them extra already, you are paying them for a non-intimate encounter. It's just beats logic, I mean you don't want an arm candy to accompany you on business meetings or anything like that. So why are you even paying them at all.

With your budget, you can look for better professional services. Other wise what you are doing, you will never get, literally, get the bang for your bucks.

[Foolish]

I have a shortlist of about 10 girls for my upcoming trip and 5-10 more who agreed to meet during chats. Have you done your verification / video chats yet? If anything, after chatting with them live, you may get better vibes from some and be able to whittle down your list. Pick your top 3/4, have a couple of backups (in case of flakes / last minute changes / etc) - IE be excited to meet, but not sure of availability "due to work". Then work the list as Steve suggests.

[Intelligencium]

Have you done your verification / video chats yet? If anything, after chatting with them live, you may get better vibes from some and be able to whittle down your list. Pick your top 3/4, have a couple of backups (in case of flakes / last minute changes / etc) - IE be excited to meet, but not sure of availability "due to work". Then work the list as Steve suggests.Great advice. I'm guessing some still flake out at the last minute, and video chat will trim down the list a bit (E. G. Photos not matching reality, or not speaking English well as they write). If even then, the list is long enough, I'll probably have to just make one more visit soon!!

[Elvis 2008]

I have a shortlist of about 10 girls for my upcoming trip and 5-10 more who agreed to meet during chats. What the fuck do I do now? I only have a 10 day trip.I started two months before I went to Colombia on SA and racked up 175 numbers. Thing is the flake rate was pretty high, and when the women were called or texted, they did not respond. Even with that many numbers, I had some down time in Bogota. I typically could get two dates a day in Bogota and three in Medellin, and I am picky. That compares to one a day in Mexico and like one a month in the USA. That is why I think SA is almost worthless in the USA.

[SfoCowboy]

Guys, seeking Bcn has about a dozen or so girls who are operated by someone and keep talking between them or may be it's the same person who texts / operates these accounts. My standard test is to do a video call and talk to the girl before meeting and that saved me. I was talking to a few girls and all of them were talking on per hour basis and no one actually was willing to do a video call which was a red flag for me. I avoided meeting one girl last time because of this red flag. This was a couple of months ago.

Now, there is one such girl who said that I never came to Bcn and I'm just wasting their time etc. I just didn't want to tell her that I suspect that she was a working girl / handler was talking. She warned me that I pissed off many girls because I texted them but never met them. This sounded like a cartel and I said that I can choose whom to meet and whom not to based on my comfort. I told that I never kept anyone waiting after confirming a date but I just didn't progress beyond a few texts in the conversation. This is typical of working girls who don't waste their time with people like us. So I just avoided. This girl went super aggressive and told me that she had me covered by her friends and I should leave Bcn. I was like wtf. This is like a cartel. I said ok and blocked that girl and a few others on all apps. If you're okay to meet working girls on seeking then it is fine but the idea of being on sa is to meet normal girls. Be cautious about who you are meeting and do a video call for confirmation. Let me know your thoughts guys.

Cheers!

[Dykenberx]

Guys, well said. What we get back in return, from the girls on SA, you can not put a price tag on. Banging hot young girls, in my fifties is a dream come true. I read these guys complaining about our lives, I just shake my head, they really do not know what they are missing. I use to argue with them, but no more just a big waste of time.

SA is an amazing experience especially in foreign countries.I absolutely agree DramaFree!! I'm in my 40's and I hope to be doing trips like this for the next 20 years.

[Pessimist]

Sorry to be a bad news bear, but IMO, SA in America sux.

You need lot of time and patience to score good SBs.

In 10 day trip, I would suggest, you shud stick to WGs. (Most of SA girls in LA / SF wud be WGs anyway).

Or try Mexico or Canada, you will have better chance of finding real SBs with great vibe.Seeking US in relation to other avenues in the US?

I wouldn't call that sux.

It's not as if US is swimming in sex clubs and as if everything was legal.

Seeking in the US works best if you live in a reasonably large sized city, preferably not on the coasts, and take your time to build a rolodex over time patiently.

It also can work when you are on the road but is a hit and miss. The fact that you are in a city for only a few days means you will have less chances to talk to enough girls and convert them to face to face meets and eventually sex. Of course if you are willing to pay up, chances of conversion are higher but even then largely dependent on luck and timing.

If you live in Europe, it would make no sense to be visiting the US for sex of any kind.

I think Seeking in Europe works, I have used it several times. But it is also true that legalized sex options are available in many European cities. I think Seeking has fewer girls per say, million population in European cities than in the US. Seeking is after all a US site. But my impressions from past European travels is that they had fewer scammers as a percentage. That said I haven't used Seeking in Europe in a couple of years now.

If I was a permanent European resident, would I use seeking for local girls? Not sure. If I lived in a large German city with good FKks I would not bother with Seeking. If I was in Hungary or Sofia or some other place for a couple of months however, Seeking could be well worth it.

[DramaFree11]

Great advice. I'm guessing some still flake out at the last minute, and video chat will trim down the list a bit (E. G. Photos not matching reality, or not speaking English well as they write). If even then, the list is long enough, I'll probably have to just make one more visit soon!!Video Chat is a must in the states, for verification and security purposes. I do not Video Chat in MTY, due to my poor Latin. Also, the girls get embarrassed because of their poor English skills. I would lose a lot of opportunities if I required this in MTY.

However I did require Video Chat sessions in CDMX, but most of the girls in CDMX are way more educated then the MTY girls. I hope this helps.

[The Cane]

Have any of you guys suspected that somebody may be running a "mill" on Seeking. What I'm talking about is seeing profile after profile after profile of hot girls from the same small town (populations anywhere from 15,000 to 50,000 roughly). All relatively recent profiles too, and not saying all that much, sometimes virtually nothing. It just seems unlikely that so many pretty girls from one town of that size would have all of these profiles on Seeking at the same time, and initially put up around the same period of time as well. There's enough fraud that goes on that it makes me believe that somebody up to no good is behind all of those profiles, creating one after another hoping that some horny sucker will take the bait and bite. Anybody else noticed what I call the "mill phenomenon"?

[LshRoomer]

Video Chat is a must in the states, for verification and security purposes. I do not Video Chat in MTY, due to my poor Latin. Also, the girls get embarrassed because of their poor English skills. I would lose a lot of opportunities if I required this in MTY.

However I did require Video Chat sessions in CDMX, but most of the girls in CDMX are way more educated then the MTY girls. I hope this helps.Videochat would have helped me recently.

I had a recent experience in ATL. I was in town for a few days, so I decided to check out the local SA talent. It was a pain in the ass, with lots of energy / texts input for less than desirable output. I lined up two dates. One was with a girl that was a 7.5 or 8 in the pics. She sent quite a few and she was bangable, without a doubt. Set up the meet at a bar, even though she was willing ot meet at my place (red flag. I want sb, not escort). Still I'm an experience seeker, so I wondered where the road would take me. As soon as I walked into the bar and saw her, her 7. 5 dropped to a 3. 5. Her neck almost looked like it disappeared (high shoulders, strange posture) and her face was really bad. Even as I sat there drinking my beer, I wasn't too happy with her body either, skinny (I love em thin) but not alluring. And the icing on the cake was that her conversation left much to be desired, like she had a mental deficiency or something. She even told me that her ex BF said that she wasn't smart enough to become a flight attendant. LOL I left and called it a night and she was not happy. On top of all that, she wanted 4 bills and told me that she usually get 5, but was willing to work with me. Which one of you bastards is paying this girl 5 bills? Hahahaha. I should have video chatted, but up until this point, it hasn't been a necessity.

Girl #2 was a success, but still had some American stuff going on. Putting that one in a separate thread.

[DramaFree11]

Videochat would have helped me recently.

I had a recent experience in ATL. I was in town for a few days, so I decided to check out the local SA talent. It was a pain in the ass, with lots of energy / texts input for less than desirable output. I lined up two dates. One was with a girl that was a 7.5 or 8 in the pics. She sent quite a few and she was bangable, without a doubt. Set up the meet at a bar, even though she was willing ot meet at my place (red flag. I want sb, not escort). Still I'm an experience seeker, so I wondered where the road would take me. As soon as I walked into the bar and saw her, her 7. 5 dropped to a 3. 5. Her neck almost looked like it disappeared (high shoulders, strange posture) and her face was really bad. Even as I sat there drinking my beer, I wasn't too happy with her body either, skinny (I love em thin) but not alluring. And the icing on the cake was that her conversation left much to be desired, like she had a mental deficiency or something. She even told me that her ex BF said that she wasn't smart enough to become a flight attendant. LOL I left and called it a night and she was not happy. On top of all that, she wanted 4 bills and told me that she usually get 5, but was willing to work with me. Which one of you bastards is paying this girl 5 bills? Hahahaha. I should have video chatted, but up until this point, it hasn't been a necessity.

Girl #2 was a success, but still had some American stuff going on. Putting that one in a separate thread.Yep, I had many similar situations. They all say they are getting $500, maybe $300. Video Chats are a must in the states or you will waste way too much time.

Also, you must meet in a public place for the first meeting, way too dangerous now.

[LshRoomer]

You guys might get a kick out of this one.

Pulled her from SA. Her pics were sexy, she was pretty and the conversation was engaging. Also there were no signs of escort. Possibly hobby working girl, but not full on escort (100% income from the trade). I used my cookie cutter line that it's important to me to make sure that my sb leaves with at least x (region specific amount $$) dollars, often more. It takes the edges off of the business side of things just slightly, ever so slightly as it sets a floor but no ceiling, but it is clear that the amount above the floor is up to my discretion. I've found this to work very well with EU Sbs. Our number was 350. She happily accepted before moving over texts. I told her my idea of the sb / sd dynamic and she was happy with my perception. I kept the oven warm with texts before I arrived to town but was sure not to spam her.

Set the date and we had scheduling conflicts because of her work. Finally nailed down a time. She texted me and said something like, "hey baby, we need to talk about how you are going to take care of me". We had already talked about this in detail and it's clear to see in the text history, so I responded with that exactly. Her response was apologetic and we moved on. She seemed quite aloof during most of our interactions, kinda like she was high or something, kinda forgetful with obvious things. This further gave me red flag vibes, but she was cute and I wanted to extract some measure of success from ATL, especially after the failure from the night before. She mentioned that she had work at night, so she couldn't stay out too late; My offer was to go out to get food / drink early around 5 or just have champagne at my place. She opted for the champagne. At this point, my red flags are validated, but I still wanted to bang her.

She called an Uber and came over. When I laid eyes on her at the gate, waiting for me to let her in, I noticed a few things in those first 15 seconds. Her tits looks amazing and bigger than I thought, she was short (good size), she had an awesome ass, she hugged and was warm, her body was hot (like a stacked slim girl with a long curly hair and a pretty face), she had braces, and she didn't recognize me as I approached the gate (sent her clear pics). I got comfortable as soon as we entered the apartment by taking off my shoes and she followed suit. She took off her shoes and started checking the place out; she was impressed (I usually rent nice Apartment when I don't do hotels). She mentioned that she was 19 and didn't know why her profile said 21, then followed up asking if I'm a fan of banging young girls. I actually get along with girls that have a bit more life experience, so starting at around 22/23 is usually my sweet spot. Poured the champagne, put on some music and got the conversation going. We were sitting at the bar chatting and I slowly moved over to the ottoman. She followed again and stood in front of me putting her hands on my shoulders, so replied by grabbing her ass and it was soft and round; a very nice ass. While still standing there with my hands on her ass and rubbing her back, she told me that she wants to get a neck tattoo. At the time it seemed like a strange conversation shift and topic. I was curious as to where she was going to get the tattoo, so I asked if she was thinking a side of the neck tat or front. LOL. She pulled down her turtleneck (sleeveless, belly showing shirt with a turtleneck) and showed me about 5 or 6 slashes across the front of her neck and explained that she recently tried to kill herself in Vegas about 2-3 months ago. WTF! She mentioned that she was sober at the time and just decided to end it by taking a knife and slashing at her throat. In the hospital, they asked if she was on drugs and found none. I did not dig deeper into that. There are some questions you don't ask.

She sat down in front of me and started rubbing her feet on mine and her leg on mine, all while I start rubbing her thighs. She stood up in front of me again and said that she was hot and asked if it was okay for her to take her pants off. Who is going to say no to that?? She started to undo her pants and as she pulled them down I saw a bunch of unshaven pubs with a beautiful thong. Cupped her ass again and stood up to embrace her energy. She said a few things trying to be sexy and it just didn't' do it for me. I especially don't like being called Daddy. However, I don't mind Papi the least bit (I know it means the same). She kept up with the sexy talk and I'm just not a sexy talk guy. I prefer physical energy than verbal energy. To each his own. I took off her shirt and was excited to see those big tits. When I finally removed the bra, her tits were nice, but probably a be, while her bra makes them look like a the cup. The overall shape was great, so my disappointed was assuaged pretty quickly. She asked if we should have sex in the living room or the bedroom, I replied by picking her up by her thighs and walked into the next room.

The bed was the perfect height for the drilling that was about to come. She sat on the bed grinding her V against me as I stood in front of her stroking her hair and kissing her neck. I threw her legs in the air in order to dine at the why. This was going to be a short meal, as the major purpose was to check things out and see if I need to abort. All fresh and clean so I tasted it and she seemed to respond quite well. Put on the bag and went in it slow. It's wasn't tight, but you could feel walls around you. I started slow using a odd deep thrust count (Deep, shallow shallow deep, and so on making each odd number a deep thrust). She must have really dug this, as with each deep thrust, she would squeeze my wrist or bit my arm, all while I have a fist of her hair behind her head controlling her posture and supporting it (you got to be supportive, hahaha). I love then girl squeeze their own tits. As she is squeezing them, we go forehead to forehead just pounding away. She started with the Daddy talk again so I just grabbed her jaw and kissed her face. It was a bit sensual but more kept her from her sext Daddy talk that wasn't sexy. Moved over to doggy and she starts asking me ot finish. She was wet as a fish and tried to limit my depth. After about 5 minutes doggy, I pulled out and bust in the bag. While doing this, she put one leg on the bed and started shaking her ass like a stripper. Again, I can see how some guys might have really enjoyed that, but for me, it was meh.

While she was in the shower, I put 360 under her phone, assuming that she, like most people, would check her phone after getting dressed. I didn't need her to stay as I had already put in my mind that she wasn't an SB, as evidence by the fact that we never kissed once. I've had escorts that will go for a kiss if you get too close to their face. Tested the same with her and got nothing. Didn't complain, just continued. She entered the living room after showering came over to the couch, saying that's exactly what she needed. She then asked in a trying-to-be-sexy voice for the $500. $500? At this point, she is leaning over in front, face to face, supporting her weight with her hands on my thighs. My response was that we agreed to 350, multiple times, and this is fully verifiable in the text history. She started to say that if it was 350 that she wouldn't have. Then she stopped herself. She took the 350 and asked if I had cashapp. I responded that I do, but an agreement must be honored or we crumble as a society. Hahahaha. There was a hug as she left and that was it. One and done. Very nice and I don't intend on ever repeating. Too fake and she's probably used to switching at the last minute and using guilt as a tactic.

02.

[Gfefan]

I remember vaguely reading about Green dot somewhere.

Looks like it needs SSN and verification? Thoughts?

Heading to SFO. Thinking of giving SA one last shot in the US before calling it quits. Any intel?

[Steve 9696]

I was just thinking how dead it is in here and boom. Here comes Shroomer with a tale to tell. Decidedly odd and interesting. But hey you banged a hot chick in the US major city for $360. Not so easy these days! Thanks for carrying on the good work out there!

Meanwhilst I am tied up with GF Shayla pretty tight but going to bang Alexa for three days soon so that's nice but no new conquests to report. May repeat w Smoke Show in July but have to come to terms on $$ and that might break the deal because she's high roller money. We will see how much she likes me! At least she's stayed in touch and willing to travel with me. We will see. Lots of other options if this busts. Life is good.

[WhoMadeWho]

I am traveling to MTY now, but I am also getting some crazy high prices as well, I just laugh. Some of these girls are just average girls, no way I would be anymore $175-200, I can see guys paying $300, in CDMX, but in MTY anything above $250 is way too much. Especially in CDMX there are tons available of available chicks, MTY, not so much. Some will say no, but most will say yes, $200-250. It takes some work, but you will find some amazing girls in CDMX. I love the city and girls.Which do you prefer (MTY vs CDMX) and why?

Other than chicas, any good hiking around MTY?

[YoungWolf994]

Long time lurker so thought I'd make an account and write a mini-report of the SA scene in London.

It seems that price has gone up lately and quality down compared to what I've been reading in this thread. Most girls I seek are asking for 500 ppm+ and not willing to budge. If I try to negotiate down, most of them simply block you. Here are some of my latest scores:

24, English, IG gym girl type 8/10. Great pair of naturals. She works an office job in a small town outside of London. Likes money and sex and she's a great girl to be around, very down to earth. She is very submissive and likes to please. She told me she likes to suck cock and she is very good at it. She gets wet very fast and it only took me a few pumps for her to reach orgasm. She likes being chocked and called a good girl. In fact, she was always asking me to call her a good girl. She is now my regular. I give her 500 per meet.

22, English rose, University student 8/10. Petite, blonde blue eyed girl. Very pretty face, little PAWG thing going on as well. Quite innocent but been in the game for a while. She's a nice girl to be around. The best moment is when her mascara runs down her face while sucking cock. She takes it deep and is very determined. Beautiful and pink pussy and it tastes great when doing RO. She is my semi regular now. I give her 500 per meet.

22, French University student 9/10. Petite, brunette and very pretty face. Great pair of naturals and tight body. She is fun to be around, we have lots in common and she likes to dress up for me. Sex is great and passionate. I gave her 500 per meet. She's now back to France for the summer break.

22, English University girl. Quite plain looking girl, your average English girl 7/10 but good body. She makes up for it in bed though. Absolute anal * and just wants to please you and likes taking cock in all of her holes. I gave her 350 per meet. Not seeing her at the moment.

This is my first year on Seeking and I'm still trying to learn how to do better at it. London has a great scene, but it's pricy compared to other countries. I don't mind paying as long as I meet an 8/10 and above. Life is short and I don't want mediocre sex with average looking women, as bad as that sounds. I have harvested over 30 phone numbers and I'm going to go through the best of them this summer.

[DramaFree11]

Which do you prefer (MTY vs CDMX) and why?

Other than chicas, any good hiking around MTY?Both cites are great, but are more long term destinations. If you are able to travel often they both are great. If you are just going one time and going strictly for girls then stick with Tijuana or GDL.

CDMX is better for girls and Restaurants, but very expensive now, especially with the current exchange rate.

MTY is cheaper, not as many girls available, but still great. Restaurant are okay, but in comparison to other cities in Mexico, they are not that great. Service is definitely inferior to other destinations. Lots of places to go in MTY for hiking, but be prepared during the summer the weather can get very hot.

I am here now and killing it. The great thing about both destinations there just is not a lot of competition from other sex tourist. MTY is very expensive to travel to, but Hotels and Restaurants are cheaper, then CDMX. This helps keep the guys out a lot of the low end sex tourists.

[Midwestern]

I'm kinda jealous. At my peak, I had a collection similar to yours, but plus a few years, because I prefer mid to late 20's instead of early 20's. And this was in the states, where it's tough. 500 sterling or usd?


Long time lurker so thought I'd make an account and write a mini-report of the SA scene in London.

It seems that price has gone up lately and quality down compared to what I've been reading in this thread. Most girls I seek are asking for 500 ppm+ and not willing to budge. If I try to negotiate down, most of them simply block you. Here are some of my latest scores:

24, English, IG gym girl type 8/10. Great pair of naturals. She works an office job in a small town outside of London. Likes money and sex and she's a great girl to be around, very down to earth. She is very submissive and likes to please. She told me she likes to suck cock and she is very good at it. She gets wet very fast and it only took me a few pumps for her to reach orgasm. She likes being chocked and called a good girl. In fact, she was always asking me to call her a good girl. She is now my regular. I give her 500 per meet.

22, English rose, University student 8/10. Petite, blonde blue eyed girl. Very pretty face, little PAWG thing going on as well. Quite innocent but been in the game for a while. She's a nice girl to be around. The best moment is when her mascara runs down her face while sucking cock. She takes it deep and is very determined. Beautiful and pink pussy and it tastes great when doing RO. She is my semi regular now. I give her 500 per meet.

22, French University student 9/10. Petite, brunette and very pretty face. Great pair of naturals and tight body. She is fun to be around, we have lots in common and she likes to dress up for me. Sex is great and passionate. I gave her 500 per meet. She's now back to France for the summer break.

22, English University girl. Quite plain looking girl, your average English girl 7/10 but good body. She makes up for it in bed though. Absolute anal * and just wants to please you and likes taking cock in all of her holes. I gave her 350 per meet. Not seeing her at the moment.

This is my first year on Seeking and I'm still trying to learn how to do better at it. London has a great scene, but it's pricy compared to other countries. I don't mind paying as long as I meet an 8/10 and above. Life is short and I don't want mediocre sex with average looking women, as bad as that sounds. I have harvested over 30 phone numbers and I'm going to go through the best of them this summer..

[GoingDumb]

Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb? A sb is willing to meet me in her country when I'm there next month. I will be in 2 other cities than the one she's in and haven't had a sb travel with me. I was hoping to get away with covering travel expenses but she asked for 2 k for a few days. I'd probably try and get it down a little but it doesn't seem crazy. I've been scammed before though and feel like I'd be paranoid leaving her alone in the room with my stuff at least for the first day or two. The obvious scam is if she wants pay up front and then disappears. Bad idea?

[Sloninger]

Depends on the country in my opinion. Maybe meet her first and see what vibe you feel.


Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb? A sb is willing to meet me in her country when I'm there next month. I will be in 2 other cities than the one she's in and haven't had a sb travel with me. I was hoping to get away with covering travel expenses but she asked for 2 k for a few days. I'd probably try and get it down a little but it doesn't seem crazy. I've been scammed before though and feel like I'd be paranoid leaving her alone in the room with my stuff at least for the first day or two. The obvious scam is if she wants pay up front and then disappears. Bad idea?

[Midwestern]

Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb? A sb is willing to meet me in her country when I'm there next month. I will be in 2 other cities than the one she's in and haven't had a sb travel with me. I was hoping to get away with covering travel expenses but she asked for 2 k for a few days. I'd probably try and get it down a little but it doesn't seem crazy. I've been scammed before though and feel like I'd be paranoid leaving her alone in the room with my stuff at least for the first day or two. The obvious scam is if she wants pay up front and then disappears. Bad idea?If you've been with her before, then you know her a lot better than we do, so none of us can you you useful advice. But if you've never been with her before, then I would definitely take a pass. The risk-return just ain't worth it.

[HumbleHal]

Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb? A sb is willing to meet me in her country when I'm there next month. I will be in 2 other cities than the one she's in and haven't had a sb travel with me. I was hoping to get away with covering travel expenses but she asked for 2 k for a few days. I'd probably try and get it down a little but it doesn't seem crazy. I've been scammed before though and feel like I'd be paranoid leaving her alone in the room with my stuff at least for the first day or two. The obvious scam is if she wants pay up front and then disappears. Bad idea?Can be lousy, or OK. I have travelled with 2 SBs. The last one got a bad attitude and was mean to me after 3 hours of a weekend trip to Vegas. The one before was more mellow. You find out a lot about them, whether they would make good marriage material or not, and of course they are checking you out too- if you are generous, buy them clothes or not, give them spending cash. Its a no-win no-man's land and chances are you or her will not have a good time and someone's expectations will be shattered.

[GoingDumb]

If you've been with her before, then you know her a lot better than we do, so none of us can you you useful advice. But if you've never been with her before, then I would definitely take a pass. The risk-return just ain't worth it.Haven't met before. Was thinking video call to gauge it. This is my issue with seeking. I'll be in a place with good options so no need for seeking but I'm still looking LOL even though there's more risk.

[Elvis 2008]

Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb? A sb is willing to meet me in her country when I'm there next month. I will be in 2 other cities than the one she's in and haven't had a sb travel with me. I was hoping to get away with covering travel expenses but she asked for 2 k for a few days. I'd probably try and get it down a little but it doesn't seem crazy. I've been scammed before though and feel like I'd be paranoid leaving her alone in the room with my stuff at least for the first day or two. The obvious scam is if she wants pay up front and then disappears. Bad idea?Yeah, I would not do it. I had SBs I had known well cancel on me at the last minute. In general, it was 50-50 if they would show up. The funny thing is the women would always say the same thing, a sick or dead father. My friends started giving me shit about it. They said I needed to stop asking women on trips because the death rate of fathers was skyrocketing.

[Akibono]

Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb? A sb is willing to meet me in her country when I'm there next month. I will be in 2 other cities than the one she's in and haven't had a sb travel with me. I was hoping to get away with covering travel expenses but she asked for 2 k for a few days. I'd probably try and get it down a little but it doesn't seem crazy. I've been scammed before though and feel like I'd be paranoid leaving her alone in the room with my stuff at least for the first day or two. The obvious scam is if she wants pay up front and then disappears. Bad idea?I am always careful. Everyone hides something. What I find important is whether she values the money or the experience. It can be a bit of both. If she values money, then a trip is wasting her time because she is paid less. However, if she values the experience, it can create a better SD relationship. The experience must be something really out of this world. First class travel, 5 star restaurants and hotels. This can be more expensive, but worth it.

[Elvis 2008]

Haven't met before. Was thinking video call to gauge it. This is my issue with seeking. I'll be in a place with good options so no need for seeking but I'm still looking LOL even though there's more risk.And GD, you reminded me of a gal I flew into San Antonio. She was a medical student and personal trainer. She was tall, thin, smart, ambitious, and had a sexy CEO type voice. She was going to cure cancer and obesity because one was not enough. She was such a smart energetic person I was thinking maybe she could. So we are walking around the riverwalk, and there are sparks of love in the air. For real.

It is time to go to the hotel, and she wanted a lot at the time for our day but I thought it was worth it. Well, that changed.

When I went to kiss her, she was like, "No, I don't do that. " Then she put two condoms on me (safer that way) and gave me a BJ where I could hardly feel anything and when we went to the main event, she went into trainer mode. I am fucking her from behind and she is like, "Yes, you can do it, 1,2,3,4, keep going. " I have had worse sex, but I do not think I have been more disappointed with the sex ever in my life.

If she was as good in bed as she was outside of it, I may have married her.

[GoingDumb]

And GD, you reminded me of a gal I flew into San Antonio. She was a medical student and personal trainer. She was tall, thin, smart, ambitious, and had a sexy CEO type voice. She was going to cure cancer and obesity because one was not enough. She was such a smart energetic person I was thinking maybe she could. So we are walking around the riverwalk, and there are sparks of love in the air. For real.

It is time to go to the hotel, and she wanted a lot at the time for our day but I thought it was worth it. Well, that changed.

When I went to kiss her, she was like, "No, I don't do that. " Then she put two condoms on me (safer that way) and gave me a BJ where I could hardly feel anything and when we went to the main event, she went into trainer mode. I am fucking her from behind and she is like, "Yes, you can do it, 1,2,3,4, keep going. " I have had worse sex, but I do not think I have been more disappointed with the sex ever in my life.

If she was as good in bed as she was outside of it, I may have married her.Hahah that's a real bummer but a great story. Seems like the consensus is too risky and hard to pull off. Another redish flag is her profile lists her location in the US, but profile text says she's in a European city. Profile doesn't seem like a scam and I'd have to imagine there's easier scams than going after guys who want to meet in Europe. I think it's more likely the meet is like Elvis' though, expensive and not worth it. I guess there's always an angle on seeking.

[FastMdSter]

Hahah that's a real bummer but a great story. Seems like the consensus is too risky and hard to pull off. Another redish flag is her profile lists her location in the US, but profile text says she's in a European city. Profile doesn't seem like a scam and I'd have to imagine there's easier scams than going after guys who want to meet in Europe. I think it's more likely the meet is like Elvis' though, expensive and not worth it. I guess there's always an angle on seeking.There is no way I would take her on a trip or fly her to me if we have not spent time together in person. I would need to have spent both time outside of sex in a public setting / restaurants / shopping / tourist to observe her demeanor. If she checked the girlfriend / sex boxes then I would do that. Otherwise, are you sure you want to commit the money, time, and possibly worse outcome?

[Foolish]

Does anyone have experience or advice for traveling with a sb?Agree with other posters. Have a few thoughts: did you end up trying to do the sb thing in bcn earlier this year?

If not, I would try to go practice the methodology of the messaging / transfer over to text-whatsapp / video / first date chemistry+bedroom (IE the filter process). Have your backup p4 p options ready.

Do Steve's best-3 recruits / dates set up and you never know. My travel experience comes also with civvie girls or escorts off the book. You need to just have your instincts sharp and escalate as you go, rather than trying to go straight for extensive travel with someone you've never met.

If anything, book travel on the fly after you meet a few of them (or book somewhere less $ intensive / easy to book last minute). Having booked for 2 adults in hotels (as a default) it's easy usually to add another flight / train / etc to the mix if you have already booked everything.

Hope this makes sense, the short of it is, don't give up on the idea of SBs+travel, just get your horse before your cart. You never know, the first SB encounter may go really well and you can figure out a destination together!

F.

P.S. Elvis, that is a nightmare scenario of meeting an amazing women outside the bedroom and having a super subpar experience in the bedroom. Always a risk, regardless.

[The Cane]

Elvis, that is a nightmare scenario of meeting an amazing women outside the bedroom and having a super subpar experience in the bedroom. Always a risk, regardless.This is why I believe people must definitely engage in pre-marital sex before tying the knot. You need to be sure that you're sexually compatible as well as compatible in other important ways as well. Forget about all of the morality bullshit and keep it practical and for real! You already have only a 50/50 chance of the marriage succeeding. Don't make the odds worse by not being sure you're sexually compatible before you say, "I do". So, here's to pre-marital sex! Ha!

[GoingDumb]

Agree with other posters. Have a few thoughts: did you end up trying to do the sb thing in bcn earlier this year?

If not, I would try to go practice the methodology of the messaging / transfer over to text-whatsapp / video / first date chemistry+bedroom (IE the filter process). Have your backup p4 p options ready.

Do Steve's best-3 recruits / dates set up and you never know. My travel experience comes also with civvie girls or escorts off the book. You need to just have your instincts sharp and escalate as you go, rather than trying to go straight for extensive travel with someone you've never met.

If anything, book travel on the fly after you meet a few of them (or book somewhere less $ intensive / easy to book last minute). Having booked for 2 adults in hotels (as a default) it's easy usually to add another flight / train / etc to the mix if you have already booked everything.

Hope this makes sense, the short of it is, don't give up on the idea of SBs+travel, just get your horse before your cart. You never know, the first SB encounter may go really well and you can figure out a destination together!

F.

P.S. Elvis, that is a nightmare scenario of meeting an amazing women outside the bedroom and having a super subpar experience in the bedroom. Always a risk, regardless.I did try seeking in bcn. I had one flake but one good one as well. I also had a good experience in Paris where the girl came to meet me in Paris and then stayed over. My travel plans are unfortunately already set with hotels but it would be easy to add a flight.

[Gfefan]

SA has a feature to check history. Last logged in from country.

If a girl location says BCN but she has logged in from France or Italy, I am ok.

But, if she has logged in from US, I usually scratch and move on.

Unless I have good reasons to believe she is traveling.


Hahah that's a real bummer but a great story. Seems like the consensus is too risky and hard to pull off. Another redish flag is her profile lists her location in the US, but profile text says she's in a European city. Profile doesn't seem like a scam and I'd have to imagine there's easier scams than going after guys who want to meet in Europe. I think it's more likely the meet is like Elvis' though, expensive and not worth it. I guess there's always an angle on seeking.

[Foolish]

I also had a good experience in Paris where the girl came to meet me in Paris and then stayed over. My travel plans are unfortunately already set with hotels but it would be easy to add a flight.Awesome. Definitely try escalating with someone like the Paris girl and try a girl #2/#3. If Paris girl is great a second time / overnight /24 hrs after girls #2/#3, definitely try the travel. Also, it doesn't have to be the whole trip. Best of luck and let us know how it goes!

F.

[GoingDumb]

Awesome. Definitely try escalating with someone like the Paris girl and try a girl #2/#3. If Paris girl is great a second time / overnight /24 hrs after girls #2/#3, definitely try the travel. Also, it doesn't have to be the whole trip. Best of luck and let us know how it goes!

F.Unfortunately she hasn't kept in touch on what's app and deleted her sa. The girl from bcn last time has also gone silent. The paris one was an interesting experience. She told me she was a sw when we met but it was more of a seeking vibe than a pro vibe.

[GoingDumb]

SA has a feature to check history. Last logged in from country.

If a girl location says BCN but she has logged in from France or Italy, I am ok.

But, if she has logged in from US, I usually scratch and move on.

Unless I have good reasons to believe she is traveling.Her location is listed as CA but says she's in spain. Log in shows Spain as well. We were discussing meeting in another city in spain.

[Elvis 2008]

This is why I believe people must definitely engage in pre-marital sex before tying the knot. You need to be sure that you're sexually compatible as well as compatible in other important ways as well. Forget about all of the morality bullshit and keep it practical and for real! You already have only a 50/50 chance of the marriage succeeding. Don't make the odds worse by not being sure you're sexually compatible before you say, "I do". So, here's to pre-marital sex! Ha!Yeah, I had a friend who caught the Christian bug about no premarital sex after fucking everything that walked. His woman had slept around too but they decided for some reason not to have sex before marriage. So they are married and go at it, and I ask him how it was, and he said, "Well, we are still trying to get to know each other. " So of course that meant it was horrible. Needless to say, that marriage fell apart.

I also have a friend who I introduced to SA and even set him up with a hottie I thought he would like. Thing is he focuses totally one one girl. I do not think he gets that for every keeper I have found I had to go on so many crummy dates like the one I described. On average, how many dates do you guys have to go on before you find a woman you want to repeat with?

I was thinking it is like for every keeper, there are 2 dates but now that I think about, it is more like 5 or even 10.

So if the goal is to find a keeper, which was always my goal, you fuck them as soon as you can because if they are lousy in the sack, you can move on from them.

[Midwestern]

And GD, you reminded me of a gal I flew into San Antonio. She was a medical student and personal trainer. She was tall, thin, smart, ambitious, and had a sexy CEO type voice. She was going to cure cancer and obesity because one was not enough. She was such a smart energetic person I was thinking maybe she could. So we are walking around the riverwalk, and there are sparks of love in the air. For real.

It is time to go to the hotel, and she wanted a lot at the time for our day but I thought it was worth it. Well, that changed.

When I went to kiss her, she was like, "No, I don't do that. " Then she put two condoms on me (safer that way) and gave me a BJ where I could hardly feel anything and when we went to the main event, she went into trainer mode. I am fucking her from behind and she is like, "Yes, you can do it, 1,2,3,4, keep going. " I have had worse sex, but I do not think I have been more disappointed with the sex ever in my life.

If she was as good in bed as she was outside of it, I may have married her.Great story, I LOLed, but sorry for the bad experience.


On average, how many dates do you guys have to go on before you find a woman you want to repeat with?

I was thinking it is like for every keeper, there are 2 dates but now that I think about, it is more like 5 or even 10.

This sounds about right. When I was very active on SA for about 20 months, I probably met at least 100 gals in person, had relations with two dozen of them, and repeated with most of those that I had relations with.

[JonnySutton]

Yeah London is pricey. Like you I've seen the quality go down recently and I've stopped looking in London. My experience was that girls were mostly asking 400-600 GBP per meet but they'd normally accept 400 when I came back with my offer. In fact one girl didn't ask for anything and she was the best looking girl I've met there (a solid 9/10,28 yo). Sadly she ghosted after a few meets and I haven't found anyone as good since. I just got lucky I suppose. I think what they ask for will depend partly on whether or not they like you, for some it's not a job but rather 'dating up' as the site itself talks of. So if they find you attractive and if you're not too old then their requirements on the financial front come down a bit. But Europe offers better value I think, though there're a lot less options. You can add up all the Seeking girls in France, Spain, Italy and Germany and London would still give more options!


Long time lurker so thought I'd make an account and write a mini-report of the SA scene in London.

It seems that price has gone up lately and quality down compared to what I've been reading in this thread. Most girls I seek are asking for 500 ppm+ and not willing to budge. If I try to negotiate down, most of them simply block you. Here are some of my latest scores:

24, English, IG gym girl type 8/10. Great pair of naturals. She works an office job in a small town outside of London. Likes money and sex and she's a great girl to be around, very down to earth. She is very submissive and likes to please. She told me she likes to suck cock and she is very good at it. She gets wet very fast and it only took me a few pumps for her to reach orgasm. She likes being chocked and called a good girl. In fact, she was always asking me to call her a good girl. She is now my regular. I give her 500 per meet.

22, English rose, University student 8/10. Petite, blonde blue eyed girl. Very pretty face, little PAWG thing going on as well. Quite innocent but been in the game for a while. She's a nice girl to be around. The best moment is when her mascara runs down her face while sucking cock. She takes it deep and is very determined. Beautiful and pink pussy and it tastes great when doing RO. She is my semi regular now. I give her 500 per meet.

22, French University student 9/10. Petite, brunette and very pretty face. Great pair of naturals and tight body. She is fun to be around, we have lots in common and she likes to dress up for me. Sex is great and passionate. I gave her 500 per meet. She's now back to France for the summer break.

22, English University girl. Quite plain looking girl, your average English girl 7/10 but good body. She makes up for it in bed though. Absolute anal * and just wants to please you and likes taking cock in all of her holes. I gave her 350 per meet. Not seeing her at the moment.

This is my first year on Seeking and I'm still trying to learn how to do better at it. London has a great scene, but it's pricy compared to other countries. I don't mind paying as long as I meet an 8/10 and above. Life is short and I don't want mediocre sex with average looking women, as bad as that sounds. I have harvested over 30 phone numbers and I'm going to go through the best of them this summer.

[MiamiBoy1]

I also have a friend who I introduced to SA and even set him up with a hottie I thought he would like. Thing is he focuses totally one one girl. I do not think he gets that for every keeper I have found I had to go on so many crummy dates like the one I described. On average, how many dates do you guys have to go on before you find a woman you want to repeat with?

I was thinking it is like for every keeper, there are 2 dates but now that I think about, it is more like 5 or even 10.

So if the goal is to find a keeper, which was always my goal, you fuck them as soon as you can because if they are lousy in the sack, you can move on from them.I have been using SA for 3 years now, and have found 5 keepers / GF material, 1 in CDMX, 1 in Rio, 2 in MDE and 1 in Bogota. Basically, about 2 keepers per year. I never counted how many dates I have been on, but what I learned is that weeding them out prior to meeting is key. I don't want to be spending my time on the girls that are not up to my standards or the girls I don't have connection with. I try to minimize the risk by interviewing them prior (via WhatsApp), requesting photos, social media, etc. Of course, if I just want a quick fuck, or I understand she is a pro, no extensive interview is necessary, good photos / videos and a quick chat would suffice. But when searching for some short term or longer term arrangement, chemistry is crucial. Unfortunately, my stable of keepers doesn't last long, because all the good girls are snatched up quickly, I can't be physically present in all of those cities year round, and this is something that is out of my control.

[AmericanPi]

Howdy all. I'm a longtime Seeker. Usually in Latin America. Got a trip coming up to Eastern Europe. But I'm flexible on where in Eastern Europe. I'the love to go where seeking is bangin. But all of the cities I poke around in have very limited options. Like when I look at Estonian or Romanian cities, girls 18-24, there are only a small handful, which means maybe a few are actually active and available. I know from a lot of experience that the best cities are the ones where there are tons of options and you can pick and choose.

Anyone know which Eastern European cities are hopping for this activity?

[DramaFree11]

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[BobisTheGuy]

I was in MAD March and GRU early May (will share later), and just finished my 8 days MEX trip and it was disappointing this time.

Been to CDMX since 2020 and the experiences were very good before until this trip.

- 2020 H2, 1 trip and surprised to see the good SA scene and ROI.

- 2021,5 trips and felt that I was enjoying the best part of my life. Saw several 9/10's with <$200 budget PPM.

- 2022,4 trips, things get slightly worse in H2, price higher and girls (8/9/10's) are more picky but still very good.

- 2023, only 1 trip so far due to RTO and more work, this trip make me rank BRU, BCN, why MAD higher than CDMX now.

Unsuccessful (SAname / WTname / IDcardname if avlbl).

- Babyly0/ Daniela, 20 yo and a 7 based on picture and asked for 4000. She ghosted me in the last min. Fortunately I double booked with Fernanda for 2 hours later.

- Enixos / Fernanda, 27 yo musician and a 7/8 base on picture. Asked for 6000. The moment that we met, I realized that she is too thick for me (pictures lie) and I decided to let her go. I gave her 200 to uber back home and told her that I have a urgent work.

- SweetBabe / Daniela, 25 yo and a 8 from the picture, asked for 10 k and I ghosted her and didn't reply.

- Mar29/ Ingrid, 25 yo and a 8/9. She didn't share her expectations and we met in restaurant directly. She is pretty but slightly wider than I normally date, we had a good conv in dinner, but she wants mensual of 60 k and has rule of not having intimacy on 1st date. So I let her go. I re-read her profile and realized that if girl is asking mensual / semanal, it will not a good idea to meet if both parties not agree on PPM first. Lessons learned.

Successful.

- Amy / Emma / Sofia (name on her INE), a 6/7 and 5,000 mxn ppm. She is 23 (INE) however she listed as 26 on SA and her face looks more like 26/27.

First time to see her in this trip. She is wider in person than picture which I almost decided to let her go when we met.

However she dress well with cute baby fat face, and her English is good. We had good conv during dinner and I brought her back to room. I decided to let her go after 1 pop because my little brother didn't like heavy gal.

- Diamond / Paloma, a 8, visiting CDMX, the best new gal in this trip, beside Sofia. Petite and thin, know how to provide good service (the downside is she definitely has more mileages, more like a pro). $6000 for 2 pops.

- Mika, 21 yo student. Petite and slim on picture and in person, however she has a lot of tattoos which turned me off. 8/9 by picture, but 7 in real life. She told me that she decide to see me is bcoz I am reletively young (41 yo) and without bigotes, otherwise she won't even reply to me. Anyway, bed activities are good, BBBJ CIM etc, 2 pops for 6000 mxn. She could be a keeper if the cost can be lower, but not for $350 USD.

Sofia, a 9 and 22 yo student, who I started to see her since 2020 with 3,000 mxn PPM. I saw her on my 1st and last day during this trip because I was ghosted on my last day. She speaks decent ingles, however she is no longer on SA now. I always have good vibes with her and she has a certain trust in me thus talk a lot, she let me read whatsapp messages on her burner phone. Some interesting things -.

- She is willing to see me is because that she know me well and love to enjoy nice dinner and fxxk together with me.

- She has a mensual SD from TX, who sent her $500 USD every month, but the guy has never seen her 2023. She is happy to keep receiving money without the needs of meeting her SD. Did someone on this forum forgot to turn off the autopayment?

- There are a lot of Asian guys in Mexico and they pay much higher, she met a Chinese guy who offer 10 K PPM and saw her many times when the guy was visiting CDMX. This remind me that sex in Shanghai was ridiculous expensive.

- There are much more guys on SA than before, mostly are foreigners and are offering much higher PPM. Because of this, her asking price was $8 K PPM when she was still on SA early this year, which I believe is true by whatsapping with those 9/10's recently.

Viri, 24 yo, an 8 with very thin body and a Bee. I met her twice last year. She has a full time job now and she is no longer on SA. 3500 for 6 hours together, very exhausted. The only downside is that she didn't let me finish inside because she has a novio now.

Thoughts after trip.

CDMX became much worse sugar destination.

1. the quantity of SBs is significantly lower than 2021 and 2022.

2. the 9/10 gals almost disappeared from SA. I can easily find many 9/10's before, but today it is hard to find a single one after scrolling many pages. I was in GRU 6 weeks ago, my feeling is the average Brasilia is 7, while Mexicana is 4. Huge disappointing.

3. the cost is significantly higher. In 2021/2022, oftentimes I can find 8/9/10 girls with 200 USD or even less. Today on average asking price for 8+ gals is $400 USD+ (remember MXN is very strong this year). I think this is a supply and demand issue, supply side given covid is gone and things are getting back to normal, fewer girls are on SA. On demand side, tons of Asian companies are building companies in Mexico, so there are a lot of Asians in CDMX now and they pay eastern Asian sex price, which are notoriously high. In contrast, in GRU or BCN, on average I offered $150 USD and $250 EUR where I get much better quality gals speaking ingles.

4. the ghost rate is higher (supply-demand could be the cause) and traffic is worse than before (gals are even worse punctual than before).

5. the air ticket price to CDMX is no more cheap, as expense as to some EU cities.

Things still OK.

1. the SA response rate and funnel conversion rate is still good, much higher than the state.

2. CDMX is still the most convenient city for many US folks to do foreign SA.

I had good experience in BCN, MAD, and GRU. High quality gals with reasonable cost. The downside is travel distance is longer.

BTW. Medellin is also getting much worse than 2 years ago, do you guys have similar experiences?


Which do you prefer (MTY vs CDMX) and why?

Other than chicas, any good hiking around MTY?

[Pk099]

Great report. I have similar experience when I visited Cdmx in Feb this year.

But I guess mongering is expensive everywhere now a days and as you said MXN is stronger now.

I was planning another trip to Cdmx this summer but decided to do MiddleEast / Asia trip (Istanbul, Dubai, India and Thailand).

All these places are now 30% more expensive than last 2 years. The same girls, I met from last year now asked more.

Only good part is they stay all nights and enjoy bed time, where in US I will pay same money for 1 HR. For shitty service.


I was in MAD March and GRU early May (will share later), and just finished my 8 days MEX trip and it was disappointing this time.

Been to CDMX since 2020 and the experiences were very good before until this trip.

- 2020 H2, 1 trip and surprised to see the good SA scene and ROI.

- 2021,5 trips and felt that I was enjoying the best part of my life. Saw several 9/10's with <$200 budget PPM.

- 2022,4 trips, things get slightly worse in H2, price higher and girls (8/9/10's) are more picky but still very good.

- 2023, only 1 trip so far due to RTO and more work, this trip make me rank BRU, BCN, why MAD higher than CDMX now.

Unsuccessful (SAname / WTname / IDcardname if avlbl).

- Babyly0/ Daniela, 20 yo and a 7 based on picture and asked for 4000. She ghosted me in the last min. Fortunately I double booked with Fernanda for 2 hours later.

- Enixos / Fernanda, 27 yo musician and a 7/8 base on picture. Asked for 6000. The moment that we met, I realized that she is too thick for me (pictures lie) and I decided to let her go. I gave her 200 to uber back home and told her that I have a urgent work.

- SweetBabe / Daniela, 25 yo and a 8 from the picture, asked for 10 k and I ghosted her and didn't reply.

- Mar29/ Ingrid, 25 yo and a 8/9. She didn't share her expectations and we met in restaurant directly. She is pretty but slightly wider than I normally date, we had a good conv in dinner, but she wants mensual of 60 k and has rule of not having intimacy on 1st date. So I let her go. I re-read her profile and realized that if girl is asking mensual / semanal, it will not a good idea to meet if both parties not agree on PPM first. Lessons learned.

Successful.

- Amy / Emma / Sofia (name on her INE), a 6/7 and 5,000 mxn ppm. She is 23 (INE) however she listed as 26 on SA and her face looks more like 26/27.

First time to see her in this trip. She is wider in person than picture which I almost decided to let her go when we met.

However she dress well with cute baby fat face, and her English is good. We had good conv during dinner and I brought her back to room. I decided to let her go after 1 pop because my little brother didn't like heavy gal.

- Diamond / Paloma, a 8, visiting CDMX, the best new gal in this trip, beside Sofia. Petite and thin, know how to provide good service (the downside is she definitely has more mileages, more like a pro). $6000 for 2 pops.

- Mika, 21 yo student. Petite and slim on picture and in person, however she has a lot of tattoos which turned me off. 8/9 by picture, but 7 in real life. She told me that she decide to see me is bcoz I am reletively young (41 yo) and without bigotes, otherwise she won't even reply to me. Anyway, bed activities are good, BBBJ CIM etc, 2 pops for 6000 mxn. She could be a keeper if the cost can be lower, but not for $350 USD.

Sofia, a 9 and 22 yo student, who I started to see her since 2020 with 3,000 mxn PPM. I saw her on my 1st and last day during this trip because I was ghosted on my last day. She speaks decent ingles, however she is no longer on SA now. I always have good vibes with her and she has a certain trust in me thus talk a lot, she let me read whatsapp messages on her burner phone. Some interesting things -.

- She is willing to see me is because that she know me well and love to enjoy nice dinner and fxxk together with me.

- She has a mensual SD from TX, who sent her $500 USD every month, but the guy has never seen her 2023. She is happy to keep receiving money without the needs of meeting her SD. Did someone on this forum forgot to turn off the autopayment?

- There are a lot of Asian guys in Mexico and they pay much higher, she met a Chinese guy who offer 10 K PPM and saw her many times when the guy was visiting CDMX. This remind me that sex in Shanghai was ridiculous expensive.

- There are much more guys on SA than before, mostly are foreigners and are offering much higher PPM. Because of this, her asking price was $8 K PPM when she was still on SA early this year, which I believe is true by whatsapping with those 9/10's recently.

Viri, 24 yo, an 8 with very thin body and a Bee. I met her twice last year. She has a full time job now and she is no longer on SA. 3500 for 6 hours together, very exhausted. The only downside is that she didn't let me finish inside because she has a novio now.

Thoughts after trip.

CDMX became much worse sugar destination.

1. the quantity of SBs is significantly lower than 2021 and 2022.

2. the 9/10 gals almost disappeared from SA. I can easily find many 9/10's before, but today it is hard to find a single one after scrolling many pages. I was in GRU 6 weeks ago, my feeling is the average Brasilia is 7, while Mexicana is 4. Huge disappointing.

3. the cost is significantly higher. In 2021/2022, oftentimes I can find 8/9/10 girls with 200 USD or even less. Today on average asking price for 8+ gals is $400 USD+ (remember MXN is very strong this year). I think this is a supply and demand issue, supply side given covid is gone and things are getting back to normal, fewer girls are on SA. On demand side, tons of Asian companies are building companies in Mexico, so there are a lot of Asians in CDMX now and they pay eastern Asian sex price, which are notoriously high. In contrast, in GRU or BCN, on average I offered $150 USD and $250 EUR where I get much better quality gals speaking ingles.

4. the ghost rate is higher (supply-demand could be the cause) and traffic is worse than before (gals are even worse punctual than before).

5. the air ticket price to CDMX is no more cheap, as expense as to some EU cities.

Things still OK.

1. the SA response rate and funnel conversion rate is still good, much higher than the state.

2. CDMX is still the most convenient city for many US folks to do foreign SA.

I had good experience in BCN, MAD, and GRU. High quality gals with reasonable cost. The downside is travel distance is longer.

BTW. Medellin is also getting much worse than 2 years ago, do you guys have similar experiences?

[Don Julio 70]

You have got mail.


Great report. I have similar experience when I visited Cdmx in Feb this year.

But I guess mongering is expensive everywhere now a days and as you said MXN is stronger now.

I was planning another trip to Cdmx this summer but decided to do MiddleEast / Asia trip (Istanbul, Dubai, India and Thailand).

All these places are now 30% more expensive than last 2 years. The same girls, I met from last year now asked more.

Only good part is they stay all nights and enjoy bed time, where in US I will pay same money for 1 HR. For shitty service.

[DramaFree11]

I was in MAD March and GRU early May (will share later), and just finished my 8 days MEX trip and it was disappointing this time.

Been to CDMX since 2020 and the experiences were very good before until this trip.

- 2020 H2, 1 trip and surprised to see the good SA scene and ROI.

- 2021,5 trips and felt that I was enjoying the best part of my life. Saw several 9/10's with <$200 budget PPM.

- 2022,4 trips, things get slightly worse in H2, price higher and girls (8/9/10's) are more picky but still very good.

- 2023, only 1 trip so far due to RTO and more work, this trip make me rank BRU, BCN, why MAD higher than CDMX now.

Unsuccessful (SAname / WTname / IDcardname if avlbl).

- Babyly0/ Daniela, 20 yo and a 7 based on picture and asked for 4000. She ghosted me in the last min. Fortunately I double booked with Fernanda for 2 hours later.

- Enixos / Fernanda, 27 yo musician and a 7/8 base on picture. Asked for 6000. The moment that we met, I realized that she is too thick for me (pictures lie) and I decided to let her go. I gave her 200 to uber back home and told her that I have a urgent work.

- SweetBabe / Daniela, 25 yo and a 8 from the picture, asked for 10 k and I ghosted her and didn't reply.

- Mar29/ Ingrid, 25 yo and a 8/9. She didn't share her expectations and we met in restaurant directly. She is pretty but slightly wider than I normally date, we had a good conv in dinner, but she wants mensual of 60 k and has rule of not having intimacy on 1st date. So I let her go. I re-read her profile and realized that if girl is asking mensual / semanal, it will not a good idea to meet if both parties not agree on PPM first. Lessons learned.

Successful.

- Amy / Emma / Sofia (name on her INE), a 6/7 and 5,000 mxn ppm. She is 23 (INE) however she listed as 26 on SA and her face looks more like 26/27.

First time to see her in this trip. She is wider in person than picture which I almost decided to let her go when we met.

However she dress well with cute baby fat face, and her English is good. We had good conv during dinner and I brought her back to room. I decided to let her go after 1 pop because my little brother didn't like heavy gal.

- Diamond / Paloma, a 8, visiting CDMX, the best new gal in this trip, beside Sofia. Petite and thin, know how to provide good service (the downside is she definitely has more mileages, more like a pro). $6000 for 2 pops.

- Mika, 21 yo student. Petite and slim on picture and in person, however she has a lot of tattoos which turned me off. 8/9 by picture, but 7 in real life. She told me that she decide to see me is bcoz I am reletively young (41 yo) and without bigotes, otherwise she won't even reply to me. Anyway, bed activities are good, BBBJ CIM etc, 2 pops for 6000 mxn. She could be a keeper if the cost can be lower, but not for $350 USD.

Sofia, a 9 and 22 yo student, who I started to see her since 2020 with 3,000 mxn PPM. I saw her on my 1st and last day during this trip because I was ghosted on my last day. She speaks decent ingles, however she is no longer on SA now. I always have good vibes with her and she has a certain trust in me thus talk a lot, she let me read whatsapp messages on her burner phone. Some interesting things -.

- She is willing to see me is because that she know me well and love to enjoy nice dinner and fxxk together with me.

- She has a mensual SD from TX, who sent her $500 USD every month, but the guy has never seen her 2023. She is happy to keep receiving money without the needs of meeting her SD. Did someone on this forum forgot to turn off the autopayment?

- There are a lot of Asian guys in Mexico and they pay much higher, she met a Chinese guy who offer 10 K PPM and saw her many times when the guy was visiting CDMX. This remind me that sex in Shanghai was ridiculous expensive.

- There are much more guys on SA than before, mostly are foreigners and are offering much higher PPM. Because of this, her asking price was $8 K PPM when she was still on SA early this year, which I believe is true by whatsapping with those 9/10's recently.

Viri, 24 yo, an 8 with very thin body and a Bee. I met her twice last year. She has a full time job now and she is no longer on SA. 3500 for 6 hours together, very exhausted. The only downside is that she didn't let me finish inside because she has a novio now.

Thoughts after trip.

CDMX became much worse sugar destination.

1. the quantity of SBs is significantly lower than 2021 and 2022.

2. the 9/10 gals almost disappeared from SA. I can easily find many 9/10's before, but today it is hard to find a single one after scrolling many pages. I was in GRU 6 weeks ago, my feeling is the average Brasilia is 7, while Mexicana is 4. Huge disappointing.

3. the cost is significantly higher. In 2021/2022, oftentimes I can find 8/9/10 girls with 200 USD or even less. Today on average asking price for 8+ gals is $400 USD+ (remember MXN is very strong this year). I think this is a supply and demand issue, supply side given covid is gone and things are getting back to normal, fewer girls are on SA. On demand side, tons of Asian companies are building companies in Mexico, so there are a lot of Asians in CDMX now and they pay eastern Asian sex price, which are notoriously high. In contrast, in GRU or BCN, on average I offered $150 USD and $250 EUR where I get much better quality gals speaking ingles.

4. the ghost rate is higher (supply-demand could be the cause) and traffic is worse than before (gals are even worse punctual than before).

5. the air ticket price to CDMX is no more cheap, as expense as to some EU cities.

Things still OK.

1. the SA response rate and funnel conversion rate is still good, much higher than the state.

2. CDMX is still the most convenient city for many US folks to do foreign SA.

I had good experience in BCN, MAD, and GRU. High quality gals with reasonable cost. The downside is travel distance is longer.

BTW. Medellin is also getting much worse than 2 years ago, do you guys have similar experiences?Good report, but I disagree with most of it with exception, CDMX is expensive and High end girls are not available.

1. Asian dudes are not an issue, yes, they may pay more, but for the most part the girls do not like to date Asia. (Sorry Asia Guys, no disrespect) Also, there are lot's of Asian chicks in CDMX, they usually date other Asians.

2. There is very little competition in CDMX and lots of eligible girls. I had no issue getting girls from $175-250 (6. 5-8).

3. High end girls are difficult to find in any location now, unless you have local knowledge, high budget and some game.

As I said in my previous posts and today, CDMX is amazing if you have time, some game and a decent budget.

[Chola]

Thanks for sharing. Could you please post the experience in Madrid? Especially prices paid. Thanks!


I was in MAD March and GRU early May (will share later), and just finished my 8 days MEX trip and it was disappointing this time.

[FastMdSter]

Just left London today and I'm currently in Vienna.

Started the sorting process about 3 weeks prior to trip. Basically, to sort out all the pros. A lot of pros, so if was going that rout prefer Diva, Babylon etc.

Narrowed the list down to 5. Did VC / FaceTime etc with them to check vibe and seriousness. 4 out of the 5 were in constant contact, I. E. Multiple texts / pics during the day.

3 of the 4 seemed really excited about meeting. So was going through the mental brain damage of narrowing it down to 1-2 because my trip got shortened. Would have only an evening, next morning / early afternoon before leaving.

My type: 8. 5+.

Blonde / Brunette.

5'3".

Super fit.

White / European.

Under 30.

The day before my trip one of them asked what time the next day I was leaving so she can plan her work schedule. Which I knew she was coming to pound town and staying over. She was lives in Manchester and works as an aesthetician.

Then she asked if I would pay for her train ticket. Started to think she was trying to pull a low key scam, but told her to send me the link. She chose the economy ticket and it was only 120 £ round trip, so even if she flaked no big loss.

I having been staying at the Mandrake lately in London and it's a great 5* boutique hotel near Mayfair etc. Has a great bar / lounge, the vibe is very nightclub like, rooms are great. Turns into a club lounge in evenings. Has only 35 rooms. But has large lounge right in the middle of the hotel. A little pricey about 700 £ a night for a king room with terrace etc but the vibe is worth it. They have vibrators, gels, silk ropes, blindfolds etc in your room if you want them (but have to pay). The key holder for your room is one of those whip things.

Paula shows up to the bar where I was waiting for her in casual attire but looking crazy attire. First thing she said was don't worry my heels and dress are in my bag. She has 2 drinks, I'm deep into Michters bottle. We go up she goes into the bathroom, does her makeup, comes out in an incredible dress and we head out.

Dinner: Koyn-Mayfair, a favorite sushi / Japanese restaurant of mine. Great dinner, drinks, we are vibing. She's polish, I speak fluent polish so she is now in an even better happier place.

Head back to hotel. Bar closed. MGR says you can drink whatever you want as long as it comes out of a bottle, he doesn't make cocktails LOL.

Have a few more drinks head up. From elevator to room action starts. One in room she gives whatever I want except anal, asks me not cip because she is not on bc. I give her oral first she has a screaming orgasm. Then gives me an incredible BBBJ. Then I pound her out in every position, we take water breaks and I bust in her mouth.

Wash up. Go to bed. Wake up. Go down for breakfast. Come back. Fuck again. Shower, call her an Uber. Slip 300 £ in her bag, she has never asked for any money and she goes to the train and I head to airport.

Total damage:

120 £ train.

Dinner:400 £.

Bar:80 £.

Uber:15 £.

Voluntary donation:300 £.

I don't count dinner and drinks as cost of fun because I would go to such places anyway.

Great experience. She has texted me all day.

Vienna right now is looking like a bust on SA. Flakey.

Turned my tinder Profile on. Let's see.

Otherwise, plenty of pros.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks for sharing. Could you please post the experience in Madrid? Especially prices paid. Thanks!I've had three girls there. $300-400 seems the going rate. There will be higher asks. But you should find a 7-8 girl in this range. And of course Vive is fun if u prefer in person nightclub selection. 250/hr.

[Alex7J]

Howdy all. I'm a longtime Seeker. Usually in Latin America. Got a trip coming up to Eastern Europe. But I'm flexible on where in Eastern Europe. I'the love to go where seeking is bangin. But all of the cities I poke around in have very limited options. Like when I look at Estonian or Romanian cities, girls 18-24, there are only a small handful, which means maybe a few are actually active and available. I know from a lot of experience that the best cities are the ones where there are tons of options and you can pick and choose.

Anyone know which Eastern European cities are hopping for this activity?Belgrade in Serbia.

And you will go crazy with the SA women.

Or Istanbul in Turkey.

I know it's not EE but you will get everything on SA.

Peace.

[Gfefan]

Will be in SFO soon. Started SA reluctantly because I know US socks.

1. Setup time for meet and greet. Sends pics, chats. Wr agree on time and bar.

Two hours before. Hey, I need to find caretakers for my grampys. Could you send $? Here is my cashapp. I say anything possible but we first meet. No $ before meet. She goes "you think I will come for free? My time is valuable".

I didn't tell her my time is valuable too. But simply blocked her.

2. Claims to be a student. That too a PhD. I ask what field etc. She claims a field on which I did Masters. I poke further. Loses steam and goes "I was scared and deenrolled".

3. 2nd message goes "I need $800 for meet and greet. I don't waste time".

This is such a large amount of weeds.

Talking to my employer about transferring back to Europe in 2024. Shithole.

[Steve 9696]

Will be in SFO soon. Started SA reluctantly because I know US socks.

1. Setup time for meet and greet. Sends pics, chats. Wr agree on time and bar.

Two hours before. Hey, I need to find caretakers for my grampys. Could you send $? Here is my cashapp. I say anything possible but we first meet. No $ before meet. She goes "you think I will come for free? My time is valuable".

I didn't tell her my time is valuable too. But simply blocked her.

2. Claims to be a student. That too a PhD. I ask what field etc. She claims a field on which I did Masters. I poke further. Loses steam and goes "I was scared and deenrolled".

3. 2nd message goes "I need $800 for meet and greet. I don't waste time".

This is such a large amount of weeds.

Talking to my employer about transferring back to Europe in 2024. Shithole.USA sucks in soooo many ways these days. Not just girls. Def move back to Europe if you can imo.

Ouch on the scam 2 hrs before. I've hit this twice in maybe 50 dates and it was years ago. But damn it's the worst because you are all primed and ready and May have even driven to the date. Total biatches in this one. Boo.

[The Cane]

Will be in SFO soon. Started SA reluctantly because I know US socks.

1. Setup time for meet and greet. Sends pics, chats. Wr agree on time and bar.

Two hours before. Hey, I need to find caretakers for my grampys. Could you send $? Here is my cashapp. I say anything possible but we first meet. No $ before meet. She goes "you think I will come for free? My time is valuable".

I didn't tell her my time is valuable too. But simply blocked her.

2. Claims to be a student. That too a PhD. I ask what field etc. She claims a field on which I did Masters. I poke further. Loses steam and goes "I was scared and deenrolled".

3. 2nd message goes "I need $800 for meet and greet. I don't waste time".

This is such a large amount of weeds.

Talking to my employer about transferring back to Europe in 2024. Shithole.Welcome to America LOLOLOL! I got hit with scam number 1. In fact, I had already driven to the restaurant and got a table. I just told the obvious fraudster "good try", blocked whoever it was and laughed it off, and then enjoyed a nice meal out. At least I didn't have to drive far at all. But now maybe you have seen in short order exactly what I'm talking about all the time. Welcome LMAO! Not laughing at you but at the BS that is Seeking in America (the only place I have ever used it). We can either laugh or stay mad. I choose the former (as well as not giving Seeking anymore of my hard earned money)!

[Gfefan]

Not intending to make this beautiful forum political. So, looking for a one line high level answer, Steve.

Why do you say leave US? Political climate or economical climate or something else?

I definitely am not liking US after living in Europe. Want to move back not just because SA sucks (seriously. That is a minor part of larger life) but because overall it seems "blah". Money is great but that's about it.

So, curious why you said what you said.


USA sucks in soooo many ways these days. Not just girls. Def move back to Europe if you can imo.

Ouch on the scam 2 hrs before. I've hit this twice in maybe 50 dates and it was years ago. But damn it's the worst because you are all primed and ready and May have even driven to the date. Total biatches in this one. Boo.

[Gfefan]

I am definitely laughing it off. One last chance to SA in US.

These bitches are not worth synthesizing stress hormones.

I am visiting Germany, Spain, Belgium in July. Back to my old SBs. They make me release dopamine.


Welcome to America LOLOLOL! I got hit with scam number 1. In fact, I had already driven to the restaurant and got a table. I just told the obvious fraudster "good try", blocked whoever it was and laughed it off, and then enjoyed a nice meal out. At least I didn't have to drive far at all. But now maybe you have seen in short order exactly what I'm talking about all the time. Welcome LMAO! Not laughing at you but at the BS that is Seeking in America (the only place I have ever used it). We can either laugh or stay mad. I choose the former (as well as not giving Seeking anymore of my hard earned money)!

[Steve 9696]

Not intending to make this beautiful forum political. So, looking for a one line high level answer, Steve.

Why do you say leave US? Political climate or economical climate or something else?

I definitely am not liking US after living in Europe. Want to move back not just because SA sucks (seriously. That is a minor part of larger life) but because overall it seems "blah". Money is great but that's about it.

So, curious why you said what you said.Yeah don't want to go too political here either and caveat is I've only visited. But I would say I would say in nice European towns and villages there is a more old world feel. Classier. More respectful. Charming might be the word? The US feels like one big crass commercial these days in so many ways. Maybe I'm getting old but I like something a bit more classic and traditional (in my relationships too! Where women are women, not men. LOL).

[Ggekko2009]

Yeah don't want to go too political here either and caveat is I've only visited. But I would say I would say in nice European towns and villages there is a more old world feel. Classier. More respectful. Charming might be the word? The US feels like one big crass commercial these days in so many ways. Maybe I'm getting old but I like something a bit more classic and traditional (in my relationships too! Where women are women, not men. LOL).Same here. In a decade or two, I will definitely be retiring anywhere else other than the US. Although I am not so much into Europe. Good to visit as a tourist but can't see myself living there. Just visited Lisbon and Madrid. Don't see the hype of these two cities or countries. Panama is still my preferred destination.

[Elvis 2008]

Not intending to make this beautiful forum political. So, looking for a one line high level answer, Steve.

Why do you say leave US? Political climate or economical climate or something else?Is it just me or do you feel like our votes do not matter anymore? It seems like all the decisions are being made behind the scenes by bureaucrats and we do not know who they are. I was shocked when some Democrats on the political forum here actually said they would find Hiliary Clinton and Joe Biden guilty of the same law Trump has broken if they were indicted. Okay, if what Trump has done is worse than what the others did, then his punishment should be more severe, but if Pence, Hiliary, and Joe Biden broke the law, why did they skate? And who made that call? Will we ever really know?

Covid policies were run by the private company that is the CDC. We did not vote on Covid policies or even have our representatives vote on that. The only bipartisan thing being done now is spending money on wars. How much money do we need to spend on defense really? I don't know what you put the odds at of nuclear war with Russia, but one thing I was thinking about when I was in Colombia was, wouldn't it be nice not to have nuclear missiles aimed at the country you live in?

I saw this graph and today and it blew me away. https://mishtalk.com/economics/the-great-debate-are-americans-better-off-today-than-in-the-1980s/.

I shake my head because I did feel wealthier and more optimistic in the mid 1980's than now.

My grandparents bought a lot on a lake in Michigan in the 1950's for $300. My parents sold it for $500,000 a few years ago. We used to swim, fish, build rafts, and water ski on that lake. It was open to everyone. Now it seems like it is just the elites. My cousins own a business up there and they have to import workers from Eastern Europe and the Caribbean to work for them. Doesn't it cost too much for people to have kids now? What is up with that?

I have made fun of the food in Colombia forever to the great offense of my gal but when we went up North of Bogota into the mountains, I had to apologize and eat crow. Beautiful country. You go like 30 MPH most of the time, behind slow moving trucks, occasionally you get a cow, dog, or chicken in the middle of the road. We stopped and got an arepa at a local joint not the typical corporate crap like you see in the USA. Simple. Delicious. Fresh squeezed OJ that was amazing. Do you know when you can just tell if you are eating good and fresh versus filled with preservatives and other crap?

So I meet my gal's family, and they are wonderful people. Family grows its own vegetables on a garden on their farm. Cows, horses, sheep, and goats have abundant fresh grass to eat. They also have a few places in the small town they rent out and one they live in. Housing is very affordable, and yes, I was told you can leave your front door unlocked.

I loaded in my gal, her daughter, and two of their cousins into our mini SUV and headed out for a day excursion. Sure, the gals have their phones and tik tok and IG and the like, but they are drawing, playing like I did when I was a kid, working real jobs, smart as whips, and happier and more talented than any other young Americans I have met.

So we go to a dinosaur museum, and it is really nice. Then we head to a chocolate museum. The town square is big, gorgeous, and the sun is setting over the mountains, a stunning view. The museum is a gem of elegance in a city that is quaint, and the chocolate, OMG the chocolate, I do not know if I have had better.

We then have dinner, and I saw a place with rotisserie chicken. Again, it is nothing fancy. I pay like $10 for five people to eat. It is simple. It is just chicken, arepas, and potatoes, but it was so fucking good and again your body is thanking you for eating it.

I look at the people and the women. Obesity is there but it is a fraction of what it is in the USA. The women have one kind of look to them but they were some amazing looking women in these country towns, and everyone was nice. I wonder to myself why the people are so thin and happy. Is it really because the people in the USA are so undisciplined or is it just because we have so much unhealthy and addictive shit put in our food? How happy can you be if you are morbidly overweight or obese?

When I was in Colombia, for sure there were the hooker types out for a buck but in no other country did I meet women who were really interested in me and not money. I even had one woman try to give me the money we agreed on back to me. Why were so many people in this country so much less materialistic than richer ones? And yeah, DF, I get Medellin is as materialistic as anyone in the world, but that is Medellin.

Yeah, the roads sucked. The internet sucked. The latest and greatest tech gizmos were not around, but does that really matter?

I agree that the USA is the best place to make a living, so I am not going to check out of the USA just yet, but something is fucked up when a nation as poor as Colombia seems to have people way more happy and healthy than we do.

[GoingDumb]

I've been messaging girls on sa ahead of a trip. I have a few leads but sa is starting to feel like work when I know there are good options where I'm going. And I don't have to worry about my stuff in the hotel room. I had decent conversations with two different girls but both fizzled out when financial details came up. I know steve suggests not bringing it up directly but I feel like I wasted my time. The first one expected 3500 eur and said her only other arrangement had a 20 k monthly allowance.

The second gave me the "I'm not an escort and just because we're meeting I won't have sex but we can see how chemistry is" but asked for an allowance. I was tempted to offer her 100 eur even though I've never paid for meets before. I countered and said we could meet for a drink first and a date later in the week if the chemistry was good but she declined saying I was expecting sex. I told her yes, for an allowance that was my expectation but I was happy to meet for drinks without expectations. I asked her about previous arrangements and she expects allowance for the meet and then more if there's intimacy. Probably dodged one here.

I know I probably messed the second one up but what could I have done differently? Offered the 100 eur? The chemistry on text seemed good so I mightve had a shot but she could equally have been a rinser.

The two good experiences I've had on seeking abroad have been with girls who were basically using seeking for sw. One told me straight up when we met and the second made it clear in her messages. She still had a regular job/intern but loved sex.

[Steve 9696]

I've been messaging girls on sa ahead of a trip. I have a few leads but sa is starting to feel like work when I know there are good options where I'm going. And I don't have to worry about my stuff in the hotel room. I had decent conversations with two different girls but both fizzled out when financial details came up. I know steve suggests not bringing it up directly but I feel like I wasted my time. The first one expected 3500 eur and said her only other arrangement had a 20 k monthly allowance.

The second gave me the "I'm not an escort and just because we're meeting I won't have sex but we can see how chemistry is" but asked for an allowance. I was tempted to offer her 100 eur even though I've never paid for meets before. I countered and said we could meet for a drink first and a date later in the week if the chemistry was good but she declined saying I was expecting sex. I told her yes, for an allowance that was my expectation but I was happy to meet for drinks without expectations. I asked her about previous arrangements and she expects allowance for the meet and then more if there's intimacy. Probably dodged one here.

I know I probably messed the second one up but what could I have done differently? Offered the 100 eur? The chemistry on text seemed good so I mightve had a shot but she could equally have been a rinser.

The two good experiences I've had on seeking abroad have been with girls who were basically using seeking for sw. One told me straight up when we met and the second made it clear in her messages. She still had a regular job/intern but loved sex.Remind me where you are traveling to? That will give some context to help.

Regarding the $$ discussion it depends where you are going. I hope I never said don't bring it up. I always do. But it's not presented as sex for money. My patter is basically after some chat and moving to WhatsApp:

"I see our date going something like this. Have a nice dinner. Prob drink a bit too much. Laugh till it hurts. And if we vibe like I think we will, spend some private time together. Allowance of course. On the off chance we don't vibe we can part after dinner no harm no foul. How's that match what you are looking for? ".

She will usually say sure if you get to this point. Then you can discuss price. You don't need to be any more explicit than what is said above. You would just say "Did you have something in mind for gift/ allowance?" And she will either say or ask you to go first. If you go first say "what I have done in the past is 400. I hope that works for you because I think we will really have a great time. " Notice no $ sign. Outside US you can be more explicit.

Hope this helps.

[Steve 9696]

Was recently chatting with Sylvia and came across this report from our first date. May have posted. Don't recall. But it's a fun read and got me to reflecting longer term SA relationship s and how they grow more complex and more real and therefore have ups and downs. I'the guess I'the say I have three ongoing relationships and they aren't without their intrigue and drama.

Shayla — My home girl. My mistress. We've been dating weekly and more for 18 months. Have flown her on vacation and work with me three times. The highs are very high. But then there's the complexity. She has some emotional issues and if you hit her up before 2 pM you would swear she hates you. LOL. And then at night she's fun. Birth control is totally whacking out her sex drive and that's made things harder. There is drama now where there was none 12 months in.

Alexa — My Vegas girl. Just saw her again for a couple days. First met her in 2019 and I guess our rate of speed is a few days together once a year! We do fall back into it pretty effortlessly. But FUCK that girl can talk a blue streak. I mean nonstop 24 hours! I've even coined the term "conversational blowjob" where she will chat, suck dick, say a few more sentences, suck dick, and so on. Good news is this leads to 45 minute blowjobs and it's sorta kind fun. But damn can't say it's very românticos intimate. Our sex is just a bit more mechanical now.

Sylvia — Met Sylvia in London a bit over a year ago. As you Will see in the adventure below, there is a razors margin between walking away and having a long term girlfriend. After the great time below I flew her on Vacay to the Mediterranean and we had the best time. Only downside is she's so tight and not so wet and I am thick, so we've had our struggles. After that vacay we met for a night in London and my party girl had disappeared and was replaced by a girl who wants to order take out and watch Netflix (this happened with Kayla my FL girl also! So I just let it run cold. She even deleted her Telegram acct because she felt dissed. Well what do you know a month ago she cashapps me a dollar (only way she could contact me. Clever girl) and says she wants to reconnect if only as friends. Weve been chatting ever since and now she's asking when we can travel together again. I really do like this girl but damn I got to have good sex so I'm in a quandary. Right now I'm putting her off but damn I miss her. When she sends voice messages in that London accent. Damn.

Anyhow I guess I'm just rambling but perhaps the point is that it's wonderful to have long term girls and I wouldn't trade them. But they develop complications as all relationships do. So beware!

Good luck out there! The gems exist! Get your miners hat on!

P.S. Going to have to post the story separate due to character limits.

[Steve 9696]

[Read post below this first for context]

First, the good, the bad and the ugly of Seeking. Good -- great actually is Sylvia -- what a gem. But I also had to sift through piles of dead leads and one beautiful girl who strung me on with great text game and a meetup plan and hit me up for travel funds a few days before (thank her for not being last minute). But this let me go to my number 2, Sylvia, who, having met up, I am 100% confident is better than the other girl.

I met Sylvia two weeks ago on Seeking. And what a wonderful case study of how razor thin fate and decisions are. We had lovely chat, but at one point we couldn't agree price and we both walked away. Fortunately she messaged a few moments later saying she changed her mind. I proposed a compromise and we continued onward. This AMAZING experience might not have happened but for that minor little change of heart. And she is over the moon that we met -- I was her first SA and a total home run it was in both directions.

The other great thing about this date is that its living proof its not all a bunch of pros. Sylvia just finished law school and is fucking smart and articulate as fuck. She could run circles around most of us talking politics, anthropology or whatever else you might want to talk about.

As a result of being brand new to the game and having a bright future ahead, she was super paranoid about sending photos and stuff. She'd send expiring photos on a short timeline. At first I thought she might be a scammer and didn't' want to be documented but she is absolutely 100% the professional girl early in her career looking for some fun and cash is a side benefit. And fun we had.

We met up for dinner as per the usual playbook but man did it evolve to the amazing party evening after that. I know some guys just want to go back to the sack ASAP but I LOVE having a girlfriend out on the town and a really full evening (we spent 8 hrs this first night before crashing together in my room). After dinner we walked hand in hand through Hyde Park. It was getting dark and when we got to the other side, it was chained up and we had to jump the fence. What a trooper in a dress and heels!

I had to pee like the end of the world so we found the closest bar / club we could and it was in a toney part of town. Really amazing place, with hookah / shisha and a wonderful young high end vibe. There was a belly dancer and Sylvia was sorta dancing in her seat -- so I knew she was my kinda high energy girl and asked her if she wanted to go dancing. Damn, yes she did!

Well it turns out she is a wild party girl at the club and rivals the famous Thifany for being a true life spirit of energy. And I love her moxie. When we enter the club its packed body to body but she wants to get a table. I've been here before and know there are only like 2 booths and there is no way. Undeterred she takes me by the hand and wends her way to the back of the club. Theres a corner booth but it has glasses and bottle of champagne on it, but she plunks herself down anyhow. I join her and not much later someone comes and says they had poached the booth and hope it was OK and we admitted to being poachers also and all shared it. Tho we were 99% on the floor anyhow. She was just so confident poaching that booth. What attitude!

So we dance ourselves silly for a couple hours and it really brought me back to my time with Thifany. Thifany was a 9+ and Silvia is clearly an 8 but the same energy and sexy dancing vibe. We were mixing it up with others in the club. One big party.

Back in the room the sex was hot and heavy. She totally got off on DATY and fingering, with two fingers upping the intensity level significantly. As usual I was a beast to get off when mega drunk but with BJ and several rounds of fucking I finally came in mish, which I love.

I was worried because goddamn London and their tiny rooms with a single twin bed but we crashed at 3 AM as spoons and just spooned the whole night as the only practical method of sharing a twin. And it was nice. We both slept the sleep of the dead.

Breakfast the next morning was fun and comfortable but day two was even more interesting with the introduction of a work friend to the mix. (Never sexual). I thought after all the cloak and dagger she'the want to keep things private but when my friend checked in she was fine with meeting him.

This led to an amazing night of the three of us with no one feeling like a third wheel as she was equally engaging with both of us. I lost my jealousy hangup with Thifany because I woulda gone nuts otherwise but it served well here. Happy to share her all you like but I know who's fucking her tonight!

So we had an amazing dinner with vibrant conversation, some amazing drinks and then searched high and low for a club open past 11 on Sunday WTF. Literally wandered about for an hour before a pedi-cab guy said he could take us to a place open till 3 and I pay him what I feel. Sounds like a scam. But my glass half full personality paid off and he dropped us at a club and I gave him 20 which he was happy with.

This club far exceeded expectations and turned our plans completely 180. We planned to sit and talk in another quiet pub like atmosphere. But here there were no tables and the music way too loud to talk. So we adapted!

Sylvia and I joined a small handful on the dance floor and got the party started! As time went on the club filled and we were pulling wallflowers into the game, including my shy friend. Sylvia was so great. She would dance with him, even doing back grinding totally bringing him to the party. And I just loved that she's so open and free.

She was definitely the IT girl and several guys were engaging her to dance. I don't really mind but when they got too handsy I had to back them off a bit. I don't think they believed me when I said she was my girl. LOL. We kissed a couple times which I hope sent a message. On balance it was fine and non threatening tho one dude was pretty stalker like and I had to tell him to back off more than once. All in all It was another amazing night.

We left shortly after a small fight broke out at 2 AM and made our way home. Of course we were too pooped to fuck but fortunately had a BJ before dinner and didn't feel the need. Next morning we had lovely morning sex before I had to leave for the airport.

We spent less than 48 hours together but it felt like a week and was just one off the hook party. So smart. So sexy. So 24. So free. Only on Seeking baby!

[GoingDumb]

Remind me where you are traveling to? That will give some context to help.

Regarding the $$ discussion it depends where you are going. I hope I never said don't bring it up. I always do. But it's not presented as sex for money. My patter is basically after some chat and moving to WhatsApp:

"I see our date going something like this. Have a nice dinner. Prob drink a bit too much. Laugh till it hurts. And if we vibe like I think we will, spend some private time together. Allowance of course. On the off chance we don't vibe we can part after dinner no harm no foul. How's that match what you are looking for? ".

She will usually say sure if you get to this point. Then you can discuss price. You don't need to be any more explicit than what is said above. You would just say "Did you have something in mind for gift/ allowance?" And she will either say or ask you to go first. If you go first say "what I have done in the past is 400. I hope that works for you because I think we will really have a great time. " Notice no $ sign. Outside US you can be more explicit.

Hope this helps.Spain. When I used "the what did you have in mind for a gift" line before I've had girls tell me gifts other guys got them, not a price LOL. I've found it easier to be direct and ask about ppm but none have lasted more than a few meets so maybe that's why.

[Steve 9696]

Spain. When I used "the what did you have in mind for a gift" line before I've had girls tell me gifts other guys got them, not a price LOL. I've found it easier to be direct and ask about ppm but none have lasted more than a few meets so maybe that's why.Spain is full of SA hotties. Just keep at it. You will crack the nut. Smoke show wanted 1000 but settled for 400. And now she's going to travel w me (fingers crossed) so just keep at it. If you are ok with a full bodied girl I can point to one in Madrid who is a nice girl and a ton of fun in the bedroom.

Ps if u dont wanna use gift, allowance is a bit nicer word than ppm. Tho in Spain it prob doesnt matter.

[FilthyBeaver]

But I'll say it again, never give money for a meet and greet! The only ones that ask for that are the pros who make a living off it and never see you again or the girls who have convinced themselves they aren't prostitutes but are in every other sense of the word. My greatest finds have never asked for anything for a meet. If someone does, I straight up tell them no. I'm (potentially) wasting my time as much as they're wasting theirs and I'm about 99.98% sure my time is more valuable than theirs. Any girl that asks me what I'm offering before we even meet is another red flag. Why would I know what I'd offer before I knew I if I even wanted to see her again? I do not gift the same for every girl, really depends on the girl and the situation.

I don't think you did anything wrong. The first girl was delusional and the second was a pro who has convinced herself she's not. That's not what most of us are looking for on SA.

FWIW, I've had very little luck with SA in Europe, I won't name the countries (DM me if you want to know) and none of them were Spain so I'm not going to contradict the posters of success there. But I did meet a Spanish girl in one of the countries for l straight sex, no date, no pretend anything so I believe the success stories.

I've found most of the desirable girls are looking for a long term / consistent thing which stacks the deck against you as a traveller.


I've been messaging girls on sa ahead of a trip. I have a few leads but sa is starting to feel like work when I know there are good options where I'm going. And I don't have to worry about my stuff in the hotel room. I had decent conversations with two different girls but both fizzled out when financial details came up. I know steve suggests not bringing it up directly but I feel like I wasted my time. The first one expected 3500 eur and said her only other arrangement had a 20 k monthly allowance.

The second gave me the "I'm not an escort and just because we're meeting I won't have sex but we can see how chemistry is" but asked for an allowance. I was tempted to offer her 100 eur even though I've never paid for meets before. I countered and said we could meet for a drink first and a date later in the week if the chemistry was good but she declined saying I was expecting sex. I told her yes, for an allowance that was my expectation but I was happy to meet for drinks without expectations. I asked her about previous arrangements and she expects allowance for the meet and then more if there's intimacy. Probably dodged one here.

[Steve 9696]

I've found most of the desirable girls are looking for a long term / consistent thing which stacks the deck against you as a traveller.Agree 100% with most of what you said but we differ on this point. I find pretty much ALL girls on SA are open to traveling daddy's. Even the ones saying they are looking for long term. I always acknowledge it up front like "I know you are looking for long term and totally respect that. But if you want a few nights of awesomeness in the meantime let's chat. " I'the say 90% of the time they bite. Or more correctly I see no difference in response rate and engagement between those that state long term only or even no PPM explicitly and those that don't.

[EuropeanDmv75]

Belgrade in Serbia.

And you will go crazy with the SA women.

Or Istanbul in Turkey.

I know it's not EE but you will get everything on SA.

Peace.I spent some time in Warsaw and I found some very decent girls and reasonable agreements.

[FilthyBeaver]

Been thinking about this, I'm really picky, like really picky. That's probably the biggest reason I'm not having much luck. Even here at home, with hundreds of girls in a tier one coastal city there may be 20-30 I'm interested in, half that respond and half of that I might actually have a meaningful conversation with and still half of that I actually meet. So of the 2-3 girls I meet one or two I want to see again. I met 4 on my last account, two were duds (one was a scam artist that got past my radar), two I'm still seeing.

The places in Europe I've tried to use SA really didn't have that many girls but my ratios were about the same. Met exactly 1 girl in 4 of the 5 cities I was looking. Out of maybe 10 profiles in each city I was interested in.


Agree 100% with most of what you said but we differ on this point. I find pretty much ALL girls on SA are open to traveling daddy's. Even the ones saying they are looking for long term. I always acknowledge it up front like "I know you are looking for long term and totally respect that. But if you want a few nights of awesomeness in the meantime let's chat. " I'the say 90% of the time they bite. Or more correctly I see no difference in response rate and engagement between those that state long term only or even no PPM explicitly and those that don't.

[DonCarlos1234]

My grandparents bought a lot on a lake in Michigan in the 1950's for $300. ----- :-)

We then have dinner, and I saw a place with rotisserie chicken. Again, it is nothing fancy. I pay like $10 for five people to eat. It is simple. It is just chicken, arepas, and potatoes, but it was so fucking good and again your body is thanking you for eating it.

I look at the people and the women. Obesity is there but it is a fraction of what it is in the USA. The women have one kind of look to them but they were some amazing looking women in these country towns, and everyone was nice. I wonder to myself why the people are so thin and happy. Is it really because the people in the USA are so undisciplined or is it just because we have so much unhealthy and addictive shit put in our food? How happy can you be if you are morbidly overweight or obese?

When I was in Colombia, for sure there were the hooker types out for a buck but in no other country did I meet women who were really interested in me and not money. I even had one woman try to give me the money we agreed on back to me. Why were so many people in this country so much less materialistic than richer ones? And yeah, DF, I get Medellin is as materialistic as anyone in the world, but that is Medellin.

Yeah, the roads sucked. The internet sucked. The latest and greatest tech gizmos were not around, but does that really matter?

I agree that the USA is the best place to make a living, so I am not going to check out of the USA just yet, but something is fucked up when a nation as poor as Colombia seems to have people way more happy and healthy than we do.EXACTLY! I wish I was still living in Michigan on the beach where I grew up. NOW it's all mega mansions overlooking the Lake with Chi town elites all settled in for the summer. I refuse to go back to see the paradise I lived in. Don't want to ruin the memories. Ahh but I still love Colombia and those crazy winding and dangerous mountainous back roads with awesome blackberry & leche shakes overlooking Medellin with live music and yes roasted on the stick chickens.

But I digress the world seems too much hype and not enough reality. I head for Brazil this September and wonder. Steve, Elvis? I am thinking Rio and exploring the coastline. I land in Sampa but have no SA connections there (are there any?) and P4 P, local clinics Scandallo are not my style. The girls could be Gisele bendchen look a likes but will they be like the girls I know in Bogota, Medellin? Nada. I don't think there will be anything more than great sex at a certain cost. So I will enjoy Rio instead. I might turn on SA before the trip. SA / Colombia gave me a different perspective. Making Love has got to mean something these days. I know some of you have already been to Sao. Done SA in Brazil. Are there some real.

GFE quality girls there to hang out with besides fuck? Am I crazy? I keep asking myself if I shouldn't revisit the people / places I already know? LOL.

[Steve 9696]

EXACTLY! I wish I was still living in Michigan on the beach where I grew up. NOW it's all mega mansions overlooking the Lake with Chi town elites all settled in for the summer. I refuse to go back to see the paradise I lived in. Don't want to ruin the memories. Ahh but I still love Colombia and those crazy winding and dangerous mountainous back roads with awesome blackberry & leche shakes overlooking Medellin with live music and yes roasted on the stick chickens.

But I digress the world seems too much hype and not enough reality. I head for Brazil this September and wonder. Steve, Elvis? I am thinking Rio and exploring the coastline. I land in Sampa but have no SA connections there (are there any?) and P4 P, local clinics Scandallo are not my style. The girls could be Gisele bendchen look a likes but will they be like the girls I know in Bogota, Medellin? Nada. I don't think there will be anything more than great sex at a certain cost. So I will enjoy Rio instead. I might turn on SA before the trip. SA / Colombia gave me a different perspective. Making Love has got to mean something these days. I know some of you have already been to Sao. Done SA in Brazil. Are there some real.

GFE quality girls there to hang out with besides fuck? Am I crazy? I keep asking myself if I shouldn't revisit the people / places I already know? LOL.So I think your Rio plan is good given your predilections. More a vacation with girls involved than just straight up fuck every night. I've only done SA once in Rio. But I had five or so girls in the candidate list and closed the deal last minute with Manuella. This girl was off the charts. Total package 9. 5 in all aspects. Was I a bit lucky? Yes but I am sure you coulda had some pretty great 8's also. I would say learn some Portuguese if you don't have it. I've worked on mine over a couple years and we did our date 100% in Português. I'm not conversational but I know the date was waaaay more fun than having google translate out all the time. Start now if you haven't already and you will be glad you did.

On SA in general I've not tried to be on and off. It's just not worth the hassle. I just count the $1000/ year as part of my girls costs and like that I can browse anywhere any time.

I wouldn't rule out the Terma as a place to meet girls. I had two super great girls at Monte Carlo both ready to date outside the club. Valeska who is a hot little number was definitely on for a date but I had to let her down when Manuella came thru. She was a good sport. Point is these Terma girls def want a bit of the girlfriend experience also and you can def connect in the club and get their number and take them out later. I would have been happy with either of the MC girls as my Rio GF.

[Gfefan]

So, given I got a month subscription, even as SA is full of scam and platinum pussies in the US, I am messaging some and collecting numbers before subscription ends.

A girl, looks decent, chats well, good vibes, we move to text. Good convo continues. She asks for photos. I send private pics on SA. She asks for specifically she wants on phone. I don't budge. Eventually, sent screenshots of the same pics on SA.

Continue chatting, she says she is a nurse and hesitates to. Meet and greet. I play along. At some point she talks about astrology and quotes her birthday to be 2007.

I was like "Fuck. This is weird". I tell. Her that I could be many things but I don't engage with underage girls. She goes she doesn't mind and that age gap is not a problem. I said listen "the problem is not age gap. It is the absolute age".

Later, I felt this could be a LE thing and wrote "For the record, your profile quotes you as 25 yo and you told me you are WORKING as a nurse. Otherwise I would never have entertained you".

She sent a few messages mad "you are so judgemental. This that. What, do you want a letter of consent from my parents?

At this point, I block her from my phone as well as SA.

The more I wade, the more I believe US is a shitshow for SA.

[HumbleHal]

When I used "the what did you have in mind for a gift" line before I've had girls tell me gifts other guys got themThey usually want to brag and see if you will up the ante and give them more. I always ask, "why don't you go back to that guy, he sounds so good!" Then they shake their head and offer some excuse, well he had to relocate because of his job, etc.

[Elvis 2008]

But I digress the world seems too much hype and not enough reality. I head for Brazil this September and wonder. Steve, Elvis? I am thinking Rio and exploring the coastline. I land in Sampa but have no SA connections there (are there any?) and P4 P, local clinics Scandallo are not my style. The girls could be Gisele bendchen look a likes but will they be like the girls I know in Bogota, Medellin? Nada. I don't think there will be anything more than great sex at a certain cost. So I will enjoy Rio instead. I might turn on SA before the trip. SA / Colombia gave me a different perspective. Making Love has got to mean something these days. I know some of you have already been to Sao. Done SA in Brazil. Are there some real.

GFE quality girls there to hang out with besides fuck? Am I crazy? I keep asking myself if I shouldn't revisit the people / places I already know? LOL.Don, I got a buddy in Brazil right now. He went to Colombia with me and said it is better than Brazil. That shocked me. I didn't think Colombia was all that the first time I went. I was going to go to SP to meet SA women and never made it. There were some intriguing prospects for sure. There was a woman in finance that was shy but quite the looker and I was dying to go see her but there was Covid and I could not just leave Colombia.

And when I was there, the women in the clubs / boates were different. Sure some are just out for bucks, but they seemed to be open to relationships. One drove me to our hotel in her car, and she saw me again. We texted a while after that. I paid her the first night but not the second. Cool chick. Spoke English.

An American in Brazil told me that relationships go 8 X faster in Brazil than the USA, not sure where 8 came from but that is what he said. He ran a restaurant, did not make much money, but took home a different waitress every night. Maybe it has changed but I guess sexual harassment was not a thing there.

For all the Brazil beach life, I was unimpressed with the beaches in Brazil. The big beach tourist spot outside of Rio is Florianopolis. It is okay. Views are good, but the sand is not white and the water is not crystal blue but brown. There are some places with some interesting plant life. Given how long the coast is, I am sure there are some good spots, but from Argentina up to Northern Brazil, all I saw was brown water. The beaches are nowhere near the beauty of Cancun, Venezuela, or even the Colombian islands near Cartagena.

Sexually speaking, Brazilians are unrivaled IMO but what Routard said hit home with me. In general, Brazilians are just not as sweet as Colombians. In fact, I found the Rio women lazy when it came to pleasing their men. SP was better as was Florianopolis.

You know when you go to Hong Kong and see babes in Mexico but there really are not that many outside the club? Brazil is better than that, but it is not Colombia where the beauties abound.

When I was there Brazil was paying like 20% interest in a checking account and the Real was undervalued, and I desperately wanted to open a bank account. It took 9 months to figure it out and it was too late then but I finally found out how to do it, but the whole finance system was such a fucking mess. I could not get a straight answer. I went to the stock exchange and it was a joke. You do not need a visa now, but I went to the embassy in Houston and paid for a visa and got nothing. I sent my passport to some guy in DC and paid him a couple hundred bucks and I got it finally. Thing is I got a 5 year visa. Some other guy got one for 6 months. Why? Who the fuck knows? It is Brazil, and their bureaucracy is a fucking nightmare. Stay there long enough, and you will see what I mean.

All that said, it is worth checking out. Only countries in South America I saw 10's were Brazil and Colombia, and Brazil had more. It is just too far to have anything long term and way more expensive to meet in the middle than Colombia.

I still think Paraguay is the diamond in the rough. The women are hot and cheap there and I could have seen myself rotating seven SBs and having one over every day of the week. Granted, Asuncion is boring, hard to get to, and getting the women is not as easy as Brazil, but I was super impressed with how Paraguayans were in bed and how much they did to please their man outside of it. I would not even use seeking. I would literally go up to the hottest women and be direct as shit with them. I am still kicking myself for being too timid there.

[Chacal60]

Well played. Whether LE or actual desperate teen, that's no-go land.


So, given I got a month subscription, even as SA is full of scam and platinum pussies in the US, I am messaging some and collecting numbers before subscription ends.

A girl, looks decent, chats well, good vibes, we move to text. Good convo continues. She asks for photos. I send private pics on SA. She asks for specifically she wants on phone. I don't budge. Eventually, sent screenshots of the same pics on SA.

Continue chatting, she says she is a nurse and hesitates to. Meet and greet. I play along. At some point she talks about astrology and quotes her birthday to be 2007.

I was like "Fuck. This is weird". I tell. Her that I could be many things but I don't engage with underage girls. She goes she doesn't mind and that age gap is not a problem. I said listen "the problem is not age gap. It is the absolute age".

Later, I felt this could be a LE thing and wrote "For the record, your profile quotes you as 25 yo and you told me you are WORKING as a nurse. Otherwise I would never have entertained you".

She sent a few messages mad "you are so judgemental. This that. What, do you want a letter of consent from my parents?

At this point, I block her from my phone as well as SA.

The more I wade, the more I believe US is a shitshow for SA.

[AmericanPi]

I actually had a girl posted as 18 tell me in text chat she was actually almost 18.

Images of Chris Matthews running through my head.

Hell no.

I screen shotted the texts and reported her to SA through the website.


So, given I got a month subscription, even as SA is full of scam and platinum pussies in the US, I am messaging some and collecting numbers before subscription ends.

A girl, looks decent, chats well, good vibes, we move to text. Good convo continues. She asks for photos. I send private pics on SA. She asks for specifically she wants on phone. I don't budge. Eventually, sent screenshots of the same pics on SA.

Continue chatting, she says she is a nurse and hesitates to. Meet and greet. I play along. At some point she talks about astrology and quotes her birthday to be 2007.

I was like "Fuck. This is weird". I tell. Her that I could be many things but I don't engage with underage girls. She goes she doesn't mind and that age gap is not a problem. I said listen "the problem is not age gap. It is the absolute age".

Later, I felt this could be a LE thing and wrote "For the record, your profile quotes you as 25 yo and you told me you are WORKING as a nurse. Otherwise I would never have entertained you".

She sent a few messages mad "you are so judgemental. This that. What, do you want a letter of consent from my parents?

At this point, I block her from my phone as well as SA.

The more I wade, the more I believe US is a shitshow for SA.

[DramaFree11]

Don, I got a buddy in Brazil right now. He went to Colombia with me and said it is better than Brazil. That shocked me. I didn't think Colombia was all that the first time I went. I was going to go to SP to meet SA women and never made it. There were some intriguing prospects for sure. There was a woman in finance that was shy but quite the looker and I was dying to go see her but there was Covid and I could not just leave Colombia.

And when I was there, the women in the clubs / boates were different. Sure some are just out for bucks, but they seemed to be open to relationships. One drove me to our hotel in her car, and she saw me again. We texted a while after that. I paid her the first night but not the second. Cool chick. Spoke English.

An American in Brazil told me that relationships go 8 X faster in Brazil than the USA, not sure where 8 came from but that is what he said. He ran a restaurant, did not make much money, but took home a different waitress every night. Maybe it has changed but I guess sexual harassment was not a thing there.

For all the Brazil beach life, I was unimpressed with the beaches in Brazil. The big beach tourist spot outside of Rio is Florianopolis. It is okay. Views are good, but the sand is not white and the water is not crystal blue but brown. There are some places with some interesting plant life. Given how long the coast is, I am sure there are some good spots, but from Argentina up to Northern Brazil, all I saw was brown water. The beaches are nowhere near the beauty of Cancun, Venezuela, or even the Colombian islands near Cartagena.

Sexually speaking, Brazilians are unrivaled IMO but what Routard said hit home with me. In general, Brazilians are just not as sweet as Colombians. In fact, I found the Rio women lazy when it came to pleasing their men. SP was better as was Florianopolis.

You know when you go to Hong Kong and see babes in Mexico but there really are not that many outside the club? Brazil is better than that, but it is not Colombia where the beauties abound.

When I was there Brazil was paying like 20% interest in a checking account and the Real was undervalued, and I desperately wanted to open a bank account. It took 9 months to figure it out and it was too late then but I finally found out how to do it, but the whole finance system was such a fucking mess. I could not get a straight answer. I went to the stock exchange and it was a joke. You do not need a visa now, but I went to the embassy in Houston and paid for a visa and got nothing. I sent my passport to some guy in DC and paid him a couple hundred bucks and I got it finally. Thing is I got a 5 year visa. Some other guy got one for 6 months. Why? Who the fuck knows? It is Brazil, and their bureaucracy is a fucking nightmare. Stay there long enough, and you will see what I mean.

All that said, it is worth checking out. Only countries in South America I saw 10's were Brazil and Colombia, and Brazil had more. It is just too far to have anything long term and way more expensive to meet in the middle than Colombia.

I still think Paraguay is the diamond in the rough. The women are hot and cheap there and I could have seen myself rotating seven SBs and having one over every day of the week. Granted, Asuncion is boring, hard to get to, and getting the women is not as easy as Brazil, but I was super impressed with how Paraguayans were in bed and how much they did to please their man outside of it. I would not even use seeking. I would literally go up to the hottest women and be direct as shit with them. I am still kicking myself for being too timid there.Elvis, I have to agree with your buddy. Rio was fun, but I think that ship had sailed. As much as I hated MDE, Colombia is definitely better then Rio for girls, the rest of MDE totally sucks. Sao Palo, sounds much better then Rio, probably similar to Bogota is better then MDE.

If you subtract the crime and homeless people RIo would be really cool, but for girls nope and also way more expensive than Colombia. I finally found something positive to say about Colombia. I have rich client that love both places, but he is on an unlimited expense account.

[DramaFree11]

Don, I got a buddy in Brazil right now. He went to Colombia with me and said it is better than Brazil. That shocked me. I didn't think Colombia was all that the first time I went. I was going to go to SP to meet SA women and never made it. There were some intriguing prospects for sure. There was a woman in finance that was shy but quite the looker and I was dying to go see her but there was Covid and I could not just leave Colombia.

And when I was there, the women in the clubs / boates were different. Sure some are just out for bucks, but they seemed to be open to relationships. One drove me to our hotel in her car, and she saw me again. We texted a while after that. I paid her the first night but not the second. Cool chick. Spoke English.

An American in Brazil told me that relationships go 8 X faster in Brazil than the USA, not sure where 8 came from but that is what he said. He ran a restaurant, did not make much money, but took home a different waitress every night. Maybe it has changed but I guess sexual harassment was not a thing there.

For all the Brazil beach life, I was unimpressed with the beaches in Brazil. The big beach tourist spot outside of Rio is Florianopolis. It is okay. Views are good, but the sand is not white and the water is not crystal blue but brown. There are some places with some interesting plant life. Given how long the coast is, I am sure there are some good spots, but from Argentina up to Northern Brazil, all I saw was brown water. The beaches are nowhere near the beauty of Cancun, Venezuela, or even the Colombian islands near Cartagena.

Sexually speaking, Brazilians are unrivaled IMO but what Routard said hit home with me. In general, Brazilians are just not as sweet as Colombians. In fact, I found the Rio women lazy when it came to pleasing their men. SP was better as was Florianopolis.

You know when you go to Hong Kong and see babes in Mexico but there really are not that many outside the club? Brazil is better than that, but it is not Colombia where the beauties abound.

When I was there Brazil was paying like 20% interest in a checking account and the Real was undervalued, and I desperately wanted to open a bank account. It took 9 months to figure it out and it was too late then but I finally found out how to do it, but the whole finance system was such a fucking mess. I could not get a straight answer. I went to the stock exchange and it was a joke. You do not need a visa now, but I went to the embassy in Houston and paid for a visa and got nothing. I sent my passport to some guy in DC and paid him a couple hundred bucks and I got it finally. Thing is I got a 5 year visa. Some other guy got one for 6 months. Why? Who the fuck knows? It is Brazil, and their bureaucracy is a fucking nightmare. Stay there long enough, and you will see what I mean.

All that said, it is worth checking out. Only countries in South America I saw 10's were Brazil and Colombia, and Brazil had more. It is just too far to have anything long term and way more expensive to meet in the middle than Colombia.

I still think Paraguay is the diamond in the rough. The women are hot and cheap there and I could have seen myself rotating seven SBs and having one over every day of the week. Granted, Asuncion is boring, hard to get to, and getting the women is not as easy as Brazil, but I was super impressed with how Paraguayans were in bed and how much they did to please their man outside of it. I would not even use seeking. I would literally go up to the hottest women and be direct as shit with them. I am still kicking myself for being too timid there.DC. CDMX is way better then both places and much safer. If you want Hot Girls stick with Bogota and CDNX.

I am taking my game back to CDMX in 2 weeks and will be there every other weekend. I have been bagging the model in MTY, she is off to see her cheap ass Euro, boyfriend. She said it, not me. Texas and MTY are way too hot now. I am outside 80% of the time supervising or helping my guys. I need a break from 110 days, not too mention AC sucks in Mexico. I love MTY, but it gets boring. Tomorrow will be my last trip until, they drop the flight again or the model returns.

I was bored with MTY, great news, what do you know, the afternoon flight is back available to CDMX, from SA, I am out. No turning back, I hit the jackpot. Now I can work Saturday morning, jump on the plane. Arrive in CDMX late afternoon and miss most of the traffic and issues at the airports.

I killed in MTY, but something is missing for me. Mainly the energy and food in CDMX. In my opinion some of the best girls in the world are in CDMX, if you are looking for the complete package. If you are a bottom feeder then CDMX is not the place.

I will adjust my budget and work a little harder. Game on and too the haters, game, decent budget and hard work pays off.

[DonCarlos1234]

Don, I got a buddy in Brazil right now. He went to Colombia with me and said it is better than Brazil. That shocked me. I didn't think Colombia was all that the first time I went. I was going to go to SP to meet SA women and never made it. There were some intriguing prospects for sure. There was a woman in finance that was shy but quite the looker and I was dying to go see her but there was Covid and I could not just leave Colombia.

And when I was there, the women in the clubs / boates were different. Sure some are just out for bucks, but they seemed to be open to relationships. One drove me to our hotel in her car, and she saw me again. We texted a while after that. I paid her the first night but not the second. Cool chick. Spoke English.

An American in Brazil told me that relationships go 8 X faster in Brazil than the USA, not sure where 8 came from but that is what he said. He ran a restaurant, did not make much money, but took home a different waitress every night. Maybe it has changed but I guess sexual harassment was not a thing there.

For all the Brazil beach life, I was unimpressed with the beaches in Brazil. The big beach tourist spot outside of Rio is Florianopolis. It is okay. Views are good, but the sand is not white and the water is not crystal blue but brown. There are some places with some interesting plant life. Given how long the coast is, I am sure there are some good spots, but from Argentina up to Northern Brazil, all I saw was brown water. The beaches are nowhere near the beauty of Cancun, Venezuela, or even the Colombian islands near Cartagena.

Sexually speaking, Brazilians are unrivaled IMO but what Routard said hit home with me. In general, Brazilians are just not as sweet as Colombians. In fact, I found the Rio women lazy when it came to pleasing their men. SP was better as was Florianopolis.

You know when you go to Hong Kong and see babes in Mexico but there really are not that many outside the club? Brazil is better than that, but it is not Colombia where the beauties abound.

When I was there Brazil was paying like 20% interest in a checking account and the Real was undervalued, and I desperately wanted to open a bank account. It took 9 months to figure it out and it was too late then but I finally found out how to do it, but the whole finance system was such a fucking mess. I could not get a straight answer. I went to the stock exchange and it was a joke. You do not need a visa now, but I went to the embassy in Houston and paid for a visa and got nothing. I sent my passport to some guy in DC and paid him a couple hundred bucks and I got it finally. Thing is I got a 5 year visa. Some other guy got one for 6 months. Why? Who the fuck knows? It is Brazil, and their bureaucracy is a fucking nightmare. Stay there long enough, and you will see what I mean.

All that said, it is worth checking out. Only countries in South America I saw 10's were Brazil and Colombia, and Brazil had more. It is just too far to have anything long term and way more expensive to meet in the middle than Colombia.

I still think Paraguay is the diamond in the rough. The women are hot and cheap there and I could have seen myself rotating seven SBs and having one over every day of the week. Granted, Asuncion is boring, hard to get to, and getting the women is not as easy as Brazil, but I was super impressed with how Paraguayans were in bed and how much they did to please their man outside of it. I would not even use seeking. I would literally go up to the hottest women and be direct as shit with them. I am still kicking myself for being too timid there.Elvis & Steve.

Thanks guys. My ticket is non-refundable but I'll take those 8 X odds. "Life is not measured by the breathes you take, but by the moments that take your breathe away. " George Carlin.

The method of meeting girls in Rio, Sao is quite different from Colombia. Gringos can go to most nightclubs in Medellin and may even get lucky. See girls on the streets, everywhere. Yes strip clubs also. In Brazil you have to go to some type of prive / terme club. Kind of like a strip club but no striping only go upstairs LOL. Into some provided rooms for whoopee. Not to romantic. Still worth the effort.

There are a few places like MAB's and Classico Beach club that are different. I would still research the clubs etc. Like Steve says you can get numbers, see what they look like in person and similar to SA there will be girls that will want to hang out, travel etc.

Beaches in Rio (city of 6 million) probably a little dirty, maybe some dangers at night. It's the hype, the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVdaFQhS86E that makes it sound so romantic.

100 miles away there is paradise: https://www.instagram.com/p/CsgfxxhMbsR/ plenty of places to take a date. So if I go I will make the most of the tourist thing. See Christ, beaches and girls. The order is actually backwards. , sorry JC.

Thanks again Steve and Elvis.

[DonCarlos1234]

Elvis, I have to agree with your buddy. Rio was fun, but I think that ship had sailed. As much as I hated MDE, Colombia is definitely better then Rio for girls, the rest of MDE totally sucks. Sao Palo, sounds much better then Rio, probably similar to Bogota is better then MDE.

If you subtract the crime and homeless people RIo would be really cool, but for girls nope and also way more expensive than Colombia. I finally found something positive to say about Colombia. I have rich client that love both places, but he is on an unlimited expense account.What fun it will be when all 3 of us hang out together. It was 112 today here today in Vegas. Summer begins. . I wish I was in Bogota's mountains with one of the SA girls I know. Cold rain would be nice to. I hear the beaches in Barra are nice. I will try to schedule a blonde- IF she is real - https://espacoterapias.com.br/terapeutas/barra-talita/.

[MiamiBoy1]

DC. CDMX is way better then both places and much safer. If you want Hot Girls stick with Bogota and CDNX.

I am taking my game back to CDMX in 2 weeks and will be there every other weekend. I have been bagging the model in MTY, she is off to see her cheap ass Euro, boyfriend. She said it, not me. Texas and MTY are way too hot now. I am outside 80% of the time supervising or helping my guys. I need a break from 110 days, not too mention AC sucks in Mexico. I love MTY, but it gets boring. Tomorrow will be my last trip until, they drop the flight again or the model returns.

I was bored with MTY, great news, what do you know, the afternoon flight is back available to CDMX, from SA, I am out. No turning back, I hit the jackpot. Now I can work Saturday morning, jump on the plane. Arrive in CDMX late afternoon and miss most of the traffic and issues at the airports.

I killed in MTY, but something is missing for me. Mainly the energy and food in CDMX. In my opinion some of the best girls in the world are in CDMX, if you are looking for the complete package. If you are a bottom feeder then CDMX is not the place.

I will adjust my budget and work a little harder. Game on and too the haters, game, decent budget and hard work pays off.DF, I don't think CDMX is a viable option anymore, at least for me. The peso is very strong right now, the strongest since 2016-2017. Expats ruined the housing affordability. The best looking girls are not locals, they are imported from other countries, and cater to wealthy clientele. One has to either have an unlimited budget, or live close to the border with cheap short direct flights to CDMX to make it feasible. Colombian market has gone downhill too, but both MDE and BOG still beat the shit out of CDMX, maybe with the exception of food / restaurants. Brazil is a different animal and probably fits better for someone who can travel for extended periods of time (because of higher flight costs, duration of the flight, etc). More expensive than Colombia, but not by a lot, and less expensive than Mexico. The talent is probably the best in Latin America, and for sure is the most diverse.

[Pk099]

Agree with MiamiBoy1 here on Cdmx. I had 3 trips in last year and 1 trip this year to Cdmx. Every trip costed me 15 to 20% more (Peso is strong and girls want more).

Luckily I still have ton of miles and hotel points to use, so Cdmx may be still viable for me if Peso does not get stronger in next months.

I have not visited Colombia or Brazil so can not comment on quality of girls in Cdmx as compare to other places, but girls I found on Cdmx SA are between 5 to 7 out of 10 looks wise.

I did meet one 9+ in a Love motel, but she is from Colombia.

Cdmx is still very convenient and reasonable priced for someone like me living in Texas with 2. 5 hrs direct flight as compared to USA or Canada.

(Canada would be my first choice if I have 3 x income than my current income.


DF, I don't think CDMX is a viable option anymore, at least for me. The peso is very strong right now, the strongest since 2016-2017. Expats ruined the housing affordability. The best looking girls are not locals, they are imported from other countries, and cater to wealthy clientele. One has to either have an unlimited budget, or live close to the border with cheap short direct flights to CDMX to make it feasible. Colombian market has gone downhill too, but both MDE and BOG still beat the shit out of CDMX, maybe with the exception of food / restaurants. Brazil is a different animal and probably fits better for someone who can travel for extended periods of time (because of higher flight costs, duration of the flight, etc). More expensive than Colombia, but not by a lot, and less expensive than Mexico. The talent is probably the best in Latin America, and for sure is the most diverse.

[DramaFree11]

DF, I don't think CDMX is a viable option anymore, at least for me. The peso is very strong right now, the strongest since 2016-2017. Expats ruined the housing affordability. The best looking girls are not locals, they are imported from other countries, and cater to wealthy clientele. One has to either have an unlimited budget, or live close to the border with cheap short direct flights to CDMX to make it feasible. Colombian market has gone downhill too, but both MDE and BOG still beat the shit out of CDMX, maybe with the exception of food / restaurants. Brazil is a different animal and probably fits better for someone who can travel for extended periods of time (because of higher flight costs, duration of the flight, etc). More expensive than Colombia, but not by a lot, and less expensive than Mexico. The talent is probably the best in Latin America, and for sure is the most diverse.Not disagreeing at all, but there will be little to no competition now. I have about 8 girls lined up. $200-300.

I will be eating soup at the restaurants and bringing my own alcohol. Have to cut cost somehow.

[Steve 9696]

Not disagreeing at all, but there will be little to no competition now. I have about 8 girls lined up. $200-300.

I will be eating soup at the restaurants and bringing my own alcohol. Have to cut cost somehow.Haha I love that. Right priority. You need a little cardboard sign that says "Will eat soup for pussy!" 😂.

[DramaFree11]

Haha I love that. Right priority. You need a little cardboard sign that says "Will eat soup for pussy!".Exactly! I always take a water bottle with me, 1/2 full of alcohol in MTY and CDMX. If prices go up maybe 3/4 full. I love going to nice restaurants in Polanco, have a great soup and dessert, with a hot chick. Who say's I am not cheap. Priorities!!

I am in MTY the model just left another girl is on the way and one of my favorites is flying in from CDMX. Life is great.

[BobisTheGuy]

Largely aligned -.

1. however the price increase in CDMX is probably more due to supply-demand other than inflation. CMDX price went up 100-150% in the last 3 years (Medellin probably 100% Other places like Madrid, SP probably only increased 50% or even less.

2. Totally agree with this "girls from $175-250 (6. 5-8)". But in 2020/2021, you can get 9/10 in CDMX with the same money. Now it almost impossible to find 9/10 in CDMX.

3. CDMX was amazing in the past, now it is still amazingly convenient for the people from the state. But Uy gals.


Good report, but I disagree with most of it with exception, CDMX is expensive and High end girls are not available.

1. Asian dudes are not an issue, yes, they may pay more, but for the most part the girls do not like to date Asia. (Sorry Asia Guys, no disrespect) Also, there are lot's of Asian chicks in CDMX, they usually date other Asians.

2. There is very little competition in CDMX and lots of eligible girls. I had no issue getting girls from $175-250 (6. 5-8).

3. High end girls are difficult to find in any location now, unless you have local knowledge, high budget and some game.

As I said in my previous posts and today, CDMX is amazing if you have time, some game and a decent budget.

[BobisTheGuy]

I was in SP for biz trip early this year for a week, met 3 gals from SA and 1 from Scandallo. I could do more if I don't have to work. Here is a quick recap -.

NandaAngel, 24 yo, a 9, 5'4 and a spinner with great English skills. I met her in a coffee place and we had a lot of great conv. Brought her to JW Marriott and had the 1st pop, fantastic exp. Took her out for a nice dinner, then we got back to my room to continue the biz. I had 2 more pops before I sent her go at 1 am. All damage is 800 RL ( 160 USD). We had the plan to see each other again later that week, but my client required my attention on that day and I regret a lot of not being able to see her. Plan to fly her to the Baja when time allows.

Melisa, 21 yo, a 8 for my taste. Student 4'10, 80 lbs or less? Super petite, very very playful. I whatsapp her when my flight landed GRU and scheduled to meet 3 days later after my day work. Brazilians are usually colder and take longer time to open up, but Melissa is very warm and we get along well in 5 min. Her english is ok but not fluent, but it added some fun flavor to the conv due to her extrovert personality. We went back to my room at 10 pm and I tried a lot of interesting and unbelievable positions with her since she is tiny and light, unforgettable exp. However my day work definitely impact my performance, I only finished 2 pops before sending her go in mid night. 500 Rls 1 CIM + 1 BBFS.

Helena at Scandallo, maybe 23 yo? A 9 or 10, amazing body and unbelievable face. I met her in the afternoon (my friend paid everything). She is supposed to be a new batch at Scandallo that week. I did 1 round inside Scandallo, very surprised by her english level so I got her number. I asked to see her again for 600 Rls and she happily accepted (inside Scandallo it was 1000 Rls). We had dinner and learned that she is studying marketing, and her family can only support her for basic things and for anything fancier she had to fight for herself. She had a couple of tinder experiences and I am the 2nd client that she saw in Scandallo (could be a lie but I don't care). Took her back to the hotel and I feel extremely tired after 1 round, also she is Brasilia style cold, so I didn't keep her for more conv and let her go. But her face and body are really amazing.

Julia, 23 yo, a 8 from picture, but probably 6-7 in real person. 500 Rls. The easist conv that I ever had, and I thought she could ghost me, but she showed up as promised and on time (rare). She is wider in person than in the pictures, but her skin is really white, soft, and silk smooth, with a pink pussy. I spent most time in playing, DATY, fingering etc. Though I enjoy the sex with her, but I was extremely tired plus her english sucks and we couldn't communicate effectively, so I let her go after 1 pop.

I went to CDMX quite often in the past, so let me do a comparison between SP v. S CDMX.

- SP gal quality is visibly better. The median quality of CDMX SA gal maybe 3-4 (Mexican girls are generally fat), while the the median of SP is 6. All these make it much easier to find 8/9/10 gals in SP.

- SP cost is much lower than CDMX. With 100-200 USD, you can have 8/9/10 girls. In CDMX, it is almost impossible to find 9/10, maybe some 6 -8 can be had for $200-300.

- SP is really far from the state, which make it very inconvenient.

- CDMX gals oftentimes are warmer personality, GFE.

- CDMX gals are easier to get. My SA response rate is almost 2 times in CDMX than SP.

FYI, I will try to find opportunities to travel to SP in future, I just can't resist the quality of the gals there. CDMX is really convenient which is unbeatable, but the quality is really not there. CDMX is still a fuckable place as long as you can accept the fact majority of girls that you will fuck are 5-8 (anything below this grade you won't event want to message at all).


Great report. I have similar experience when I visited Cdmx in Feb this year.

But I guess mongering is expensive everywhere now a days and as you said MXN is stronger now.

I was planning another trip to Cdmx this summer but decided to do MiddleEast / Asia trip (Istanbul, Dubai, India and Thailand).

All these places are now 30% more expensive than last 2 years. The same girls, I met from last year now asked more.

Only good part is they stay all nights and enjoy bed time, where in US I will pay same money for 1 HR. For shitty service.

[MexicanCuban]

Hello everyone.

I have been working girl mongering and Sugar baby mongering for the last 10 years or so and I think I could tell some experiences and help someone with their questions and doubts in 3 places that I have lot of experience: Mexico (Cdmx, Guadalajara, Cancun mayan riviera, Cabos, etc), Spain (barcelona and madrid) and London. Those are the places that I usually get Sugar Babies and Escorts. Also Cuba and Panama, but I only get Escorts there in panama city, not sugar babies. (locals are not pretty for my taste).

Its great to hear your reviews of places like Sao Paulo and Medellin which for some reason I haven't visited yet. , but definitely will in the near future. Thank you for the advice.

Anyway, ill start with one story here in Cdmx:

I read in a guy in a recent post that Cdmx girls are usuallly 4's and he is right. Local cdmx girls are not pretty at all, its a shame.

The nice ones youll find there are either foreign (venezuelan colombian etc) or from other towns of Mexico (the north specially).

The best places to find pretty mexican girls are Guadalajara, Sinaloa and Monterrey. At least 7, 8 and 9's you can find there, unlike Cdmx girls who are in the ugly ranking in Mexico (the south of Mexico girls are ugly, the north ones are pretty).

Also in SA, some of the cute Cdmx girls are fake profiles who want you to deposit some money upfront before meeting, so beware of scamming.

My first review is this one:

Elena 28 yo, short, brunette, paid 200 usd, I saw her in SA, contacted her and agreed to meet at my hotel Barcelo Reforma, she is a gym regular so her body was fit, shy at first but after a while she is more relaxed and a nice overall GF experience. She told me that she and some of her friends use SA to meet guys but they are also escorts on the side (a whatsapp group with a catalogue and everything, I have the phone number if your interested). Some of the girls speak english, a little at least. Most of them are from venezuela and Colombia an Brazil, but there are also mexicans and a couple of eastern europeans.

Ill buy a membership tomorrow in order to attach pictures and have open Dms. See you later fellas.

[Gfefan]

I have a trip coming up to Europe. Belgium, NL, Germany.

Have a couple girls lined up. Top choice is in Antwerp. Any suggestions on something fun to do with her?

I have a feeling one of those two will end up in my bed. Good vibes.

If that fails, of course, my regular SB in NL is not far away. She literally told me she is just waiting for my dick. And, of course, FKKs will be packed in the trip.

Sadly though, will be in SFO next week and none lined up. There was one who jived well on chat and moved to text but she went quiet in last few days. So, looks like a dry trip upcoming but excited for Europe later.

[DramaFree11]

Hello everyone.

I have been working girl mongering and Sugar baby mongering for the last 10 years or so and I think I could tell some experiences and help someone with their questions and doubts in 3 places that I have lot of experience: Mexico (Cdmx, Guadalajara, Cancun mayan riviera, Cabos, etc), Spain (barcelona and madrid) and London. Those are the places that I usually get Sugar Babies and Escorts. Also Cuba and Panama, but I only get Escorts there in panama city, not sugar babies. (locals are not pretty for my taste).

Its great to hear your reviews of places like Sao Paulo and Medellin which for some reason I haven't visited yet. , but definitely will in the near future. Thank you for the advice.

Anyway, ill start with one story here in Cdmx:

I read in a guy in a recent post that Cdmx girls are usuallly 4's and he is right. Local cdmx girls are not pretty at all, its a shame.

The nice ones youll find there are either foreign (venezuelan colombian etc) or from other towns of Mexico (the north specially).

The best places to find pretty mexican girls are Guadalajara, Sinaloa and Monterrey. At least 7, 8 and 9's you can find there, unlike Cdmx girls who are in the ugly ranking in Mexico (the south of Mexico girls are ugly, the north ones are pretty).

Also in SA, some of the cute Cdmx girls are fake profiles who want you to deposit some money upfront before meeting, so beware of scamming.

My first review is this one:

Elena 28 yo, short, brunette, paid 200 usd, I saw her in SA, contacted her and agreed to meet at my hotel Barcelo Reforma, she is a gym regular so her body was fit, shy at first but after a while she is more relaxed and a nice overall GF experience. She told me that she and some of her friends use SA to meet guys but they are also escorts on the side (a whatsapp group with a catalogue and everything, I have the phone number if your interested). Some of the girls speak english, a little at least. Most of them are from venezuela and Colombia an Brazil, but there are also mexicans and a couple of eastern europeans.

Ill buy a membership tomorrow in order to attach pictures and have open Dms. See you later fellas.Sorry guys, I have no problem finding hot women in CDMX and no the girls from Colombia.

Or Venz. , are not better looking, unless you are into fat asses, extremely lazy girls.

Extremely jealous or you are into fake tits. Most of the locals just laugh at Colombian / Venz. Girls and there surgical enhanced bodies.

As far as hot girls in MTY and GDL, a lot the hot ones are not accessible to foreign guys for a variety of reasons. As far the Sin. , they remind way too much of Col. / Venz. Chicks and they are usually super lazy, which reminds me too much Col. / Venz. Chicks.

CDMX is the best if you have some game, decent budget and willing to work.

I do not needs 9's or 10's. 7/8's work great. If that was my focus in life I am sure I could find 10's, but that takes a lot of time and money. I have the money, but very little time now, plus I love fucking different girls.

Life is great, killing at work and socially.

[Gfefan]

I recommend SA renames itself as Seeking Investors in the US.

The amount of crypto "investors" and startup "owners" among girls. Sounds like most of them come to SA than going to VFs.

I am in SFO this week. After chatting about 30,texting 2, I have none to meet and greet. Let alone take to bed.

Platinum pussies.

[DramaFree11]

I recommend SA renames itself as Seeking Investors in the US.

The amount of crypto "investors" and startup "owners" among girls. Sounds like most of them come to SA than going to VFs.

I am in SFO this week. After chatting about 30,texting 2, I have none to meet and greet. Let alone take to bed.

Platinum pussies.SA is not that bad. If you require Video Chats, 90% of the scams will go away.

[Steve 9696]

I recommend SA renames itself as Seeking Investors in the US.

The amount of crypto "investors" and startup "owners" among girls. Sounds like most of them come to SA than going to VFs.

I am in SFO this week. After chatting about 30,texting 2, I have none to meet and greet. Let alone take to bed.

Platinum pussies.You know, now that I think about it even tho I've had some great successful SAs this year they have been international. Amazing scores in London, Rio, Cdmx, and Spain. My last US triumph was Shayla which is now 18 months ago. I've just been repeating with old flames in the US. So I dont really have a good read on the state of affairs and will def take your word!

[Alex7J]

I do not needs 9's or 10's. 7/8's work.

I have the money, but very little time now, plus I love fucking different girls.

Life is great, killing at work and socially.This is the PERFECT QUOTE and summary of seeking.

Cheers Mate.

Keep going.

[GoingDumb]

Spain is full of SA hotties. Just keep at it. You will crack the nut. Smoke show wanted 1000 but settled for 400. And now she's going to travel w me (fingers crossed) so just keep at it. If you are ok with a full bodied girl I can point to one in Madrid who is a nice girl and a ton of fun in the bedroom.

Ps if u dont wanna use gift, allowance is a bit nicer word than ppm. Tho in Spain it prob doesnt matter.I should've had more faith. Both my sa dates last week in Spain were grand slams. Unfortunately I couldn't finish with either, might need some advice on that part.

The first one was a day date where we went out and then had lunch. Back at the hotel and ended up having close to 3 hours of sex. Lots of DFK and in all kinds of positions. The highlight was when she said she liked anal and I had one finger up to the knuckle in her ass and two more in her pussy with her in doggy. I'the never done anal stuff before so was a little iffy but what an experience. Jr wasn't fully cooperating when we tried to do anal sex but it was basically 3 hours non stop. Her pussy was pretty wet the whole time and she may have come a few times. I've had issues finishing before when girls use lube and wondering if ribbed condoms would help.

The second was even better because we had a better connection. Her english was better and she caught me a little off guard with her curiosity and just vibe overall. I wasn't sure what to expect because she has dyed hair and more of an alt look and I wasn't sure if I'the be into it. But when she showed up she was super cute and I was game. After dinner we went to the rooftop bar at the hotel and had a drink and chatted. Some good flirting and physical contact sitting next to each other and I was already having a good time. Back in the room she was an excellent kisser and lots of DFK as well. She really liked doing p2 p slides but wouldn't go bb. She really liked being on top and kept biting my neck which I like. The best part was letting her do some light dom on me. She also said she was into kinks and I told her I wished I lived in Spain so I could experiment with her. I think we were at it for over 2 hours but again I couldn't finish. Before she left I fingered her to finish so at least one of us came.

I didn't mind not finishing because I enjoyed spending time with both girls. The most frustrating part for me is I've had 3 excellent experiences in spain but haven't found anything like it here. Maybe I'll have to find a way to move there LOL.

I haven't usually had performance issues but the day before my dates I saw wg and finished there. Usually once a day isn't an issue though. Last weekend I saw Noleta at Diva who Steve has recommended in London and she immediately said too much wanking LOL when I couldn't finish. She was right on the money too. The times I was able to finish the girl wanked me or I wanked myself before she sucked the last bit. I just didn't expect the sa dates to be home runs so I didn't want to save it in case they were busts. I know I wanked too much the week before the trip but I thought a few days would be enough to recover. Has anyone else had this death grip issue and has it gone away? I've never had it this bad before. When I went earlier this year but hadn't wanked in a week or more I finished with 4/6 girls in 3 days.

My other question for everyone is do any of you feel bad seeing wgs and sa girls back to back? I'm not doing bb like some of you but still don't feel great about it. One of the pleasures of seeking is the girl feels like a GF vs an escort, and especially when I like them I worry about spreading something.

[AmericanPi]

On your performance issue I got nothing. Last time I was able to come the first time but the second time I just could not. And I don't go for 2 hours. I go for like 10 minutes so it's a bummer when that happens. Tho other times I can go 4 firms in a date, twice at night and twice in the morning. So who knows.

On the spreading. Yeah. I think about that. I always use a condom. But they are not fool proof and really not not for HSV and HPV. Truth is I spend the week after an SA binge looking at my dick for anything.


I should've had more faith. Both my sa dates last week in Spain were grand slams. Unfortunately I couldn't finish with either, might need some advice on that part.

The first one was a day date where we went out and then had lunch. Back at the hotel and ended up having close to 3 hours of sex. Lots of DFK and in all kinds of positions. The highlight was when she said she liked anal and I had one finger up to the knuckle in her ass and two more in her pussy with her in doggy. I'the never done anal stuff before so was a little iffy but what an experience. Jr wasn't fully cooperating when we tried to do anal sex but it was basically 3 hours non stop. Her pussy was pretty wet the whole time and she may have come a few times. I've had issues finishing before when girls use lube and wondering if ribbed condoms would help.

The second was even better because we had a better connection. Her english was better and she caught me a little off guard with her curiosity and just vibe overall. I wasn't sure what to expect because she has dyed hair and more of an alt look and I wasn't sure if I'the be into it. But when she showed up she was super cute and I was game. After dinner we went to the rooftop bar at the hotel and had a drink and chatted. Some good flirting and physical contact sitting next to each other and I was already having a good time. Back in the room she was an excellent kisser and lots of DFK as well. She really liked doing p2 p slides but wouldn't go bb. She really liked being on top and kept biting my neck which I like. The best part was letting her do some light dom on me. She also said she was into kinks and I told her I wished I lived in Spain so I could experiment with her. I think we were at it for over 2 hours but again I couldn't finish. Before she left I fingered her to finish so at least one of us came.

I didn't mind not finishing because I enjoyed spending time with both girls. The most frustrating part for me is I've had 3 excellent experiences in spain but haven't found anything like it here. Maybe I'll have to find a way to move there LOL.

I haven't usually had performance issues but the day before my dates I saw wg and finished there. Usually once a day isn't an issue though. Last weekend I saw Noleta at Diva who Steve has recommended in London and she immediately said too much wanking LOL when I couldn't finish. She was right on the money too. The times I was able to finish the girl wanked me or I wanked myself before she sucked the last bit. I just didn't expect the sa dates to be home runs so I didn't want to save it in case they were busts. I know I wanked too much the week before the trip but I thought a few days would be enough to recover. Has anyone else had this death grip issue and has it gone away? I've never had it this bad before. When I went earlier this year but hadn't wanked in a week or more I finished with 4/6 girls in 3 days.

My other question for everyone is do any of you feel bad seeing wgs and sa girls back to back? I'm not doing bb like some of you but still don't feel great about it. One of the pleasures of seeking is the girl feels like a GF vs an escort, and especially when I like them I worry about spreading something.

[Steve 9696]

I should've had more faith. Both my sa dates last week in Spain were grand slams. Unfortunately I couldn't finish with either, might need some advice on that part.

The first one was a day date where we went out and then had lunch. Back at the hotel and ended up having close to 3 hours of sex. Lots of DFK and in all kinds of positions. The highlight was when she said she liked anal and I had one finger up to the knuckle in her ass and two more in her pussy with her in doggy. I'the never done anal stuff before so was a little iffy but what an experience. Jr wasn't fully cooperating when we tried to do anal sex but it was basically 3 hours non stop. Her pussy was pretty wet the whole time and she may have come a few times. I've had issues finishing before when girls use lube and wondering if ribbed condoms would help.

The second was even better because we had a better connection. Her english was better and she caught me a little off guard with her curiosity and just vibe overall. I wasn't sure what to expect because she has dyed hair and more of an alt look and I wasn't sure if I'the be into it. But when she showed up she was super cute and I was game. After dinner we went to the rooftop bar at the hotel and had a drink and chatted. Some good flirting and physical contact sitting next to each other and I was already having a good time. Back in the room she was an excellent kisser and lots of DFK as well. She really liked doing p2 p slides but wouldn't go bb. She really liked being on top and kept biting my neck which I like. The best part was letting her do some light dom on me. She also said she was into kinks and I told her I wished I lived in Spain so I could experiment with her. I think we were at it for over 2 hours but again I couldn't finish. Before she left I fingered her to finish so at least one of us came.

I didn't mind not finishing because I enjoyed spending time with both girls. The most frustrating part for me is I've had 3 excellent experiences in spain but haven't found anything like it here. Maybe I'll have to find a way to move there LOL.

I haven't usually had performance issues but the day before my dates I saw wg and finished there. Usually once a day isn't an issue though. Last weekend I saw Noleta at Diva who Steve has recommended in London and she immediately said too much wanking LOL when I couldn't finish. She was right on the money too. The times I was able to finish the girl wanked me or I wanked myself before she sucked the last bit. I just didn't expect the sa dates to be home runs so I didn't want to save it in case they were busts. I know I wanked too much the week before the trip but I thought a few days would be enough to recover. Has anyone else had this death grip issue and has it gone away? I've never had it this bad before. When I went earlier this year but hadn't wanked in a week or more I finished with 4/6 girls in 3 days.

My other question for everyone is do any of you feel bad seeing wgs and sa girls back to back? I'm not doing bb like some of you but still don't feel great about it. One of the pleasures of seeking is the girl feels like a GF vs an escort, and especially when I like them I worry about spreading something.First. Congrats. I knew you could find the gems. Now as to your questions.

A lot of your ability to finish prob has to do with the condom. Ribbed won't help. That's for the girl not for you. What are you using now? Of US brands I recommend Skyn as thinnest and most responsive. But the Japanese ones are even better if they fit you. The Okamoto 01 and 02 are amazing. But unfortunately even the large are tight if you are a thick guy. If you aren't as thick then high recommend. Worth every penny.

Even with good condoms it can be a struggle to finish that way. Definitely let her finish you with a BBBJ. It may take a while. Like after fucking a long time go to BBBJ to finish. She may have to put in 15 minutes or more. Make sure she does plenty of BLS as this is key to getting there. As a worst case scenario put her on BLS and get your shaft super sloppy. Her on BLS and you on hand work is pretty much a guarantee. (At least for me. I can still cum after a ten girl week w this method).

Finally on STD if you are not doing bareback fucking I wouldn't sweat it. You are not going to catch anything of consequence with a condom on and your unlikely to catch anything thru BBBJ. Many of us have been BBBJ for 20 years and nada. It's not impossible but if you are not trolling the bottom (and SA you are def not) then you have little to worry about. Get a home STD test and check every few months just to be sure. Least that's my opinion.

[GoingDumb]

First. Congrats. I knew you could find the gems. Now as to your questions.

A lot of your ability to finish prob has to do with the condom. Ribbed won't help. That's for the girl not for you. What are you using now? Of US brands I recommend Skyn as thinnest and most responsive. But the Japanese ones are even better if they fit you. The Okamoto 01 and 02 are amazing. But unfortunately even the large are tight if you are a thick guy. If you aren't as thick then high recommend. Worth every penny.

Even with good condoms it can be a struggle to finish that way. Definitely let her finish you with a BBBJ. It may take a while. Like after fucking a long time go to BBBJ to finish. She may have to put in 15 minutes or more. Make sure she does plenty of BLS as this is key to getting there. As a worst case scenario put her on BLS and get your shaft super sloppy. Her on BLS and you on hand work is pretty much a guarantee. (At least for me. I can still cum after a ten girl week w this method).

Finally on STD if you are not doing bareback fucking I wouldn't sweat it. You are not going to catch anything of consequence with a condom on and your unlikely to catch anything thru BBBJ. Many of us have been BBBJ for 20 years and nada. It's not impossible but if you are not trolling the bottom (and SA you are def not) then you have little to worry about. Get a home STD test and check every few months just to be sure. Least that's my opinion.I used skyn regular ones. I've used okamoto 004 before but I had one break last year with an sa girl. I'll go back to trying those.

Thanks for the tip. That's basically what I did with the first diva girl I saw in London.

I'm not that worried about STDs, more concerned / guilty about seeing wgs and civvy / sa girls back to back. Especially since I'm starting to date again at home. How do you guys handle dating regular and sa?

[Gfefan]

Recap: Traveling in US and out of 30 odd messaged, two moved text and both fizzled. Prepared for a dry tour.

Day of: Had a few 5/6's shortlisted but never reached out. Day of travel, while at airport, shot out a few messages and boarded plane. Landed. Response back from one. Seemed legit. Quickly moved to chat. No BS, no baits. Fixed dinner for evening. Back of mind, "wow. This one agreed so soon. There must be a catch". Mentally prepared to sleep alone.

Head to dinner. What looked 5/6 on pics turned out 6/7 in person. Small win.

We chat, we order food. Convo flows. She works office admin. Along the way I drop few questions and cross verify mentally what was told on text. Consistency. Check.

Finish dinner and decide to hit a bar (Steve, this idea of yours always. Always work). On the way, gently grab her waist. Feeling the vibe, went for a kiss. Nice engagement back. Game on.

We go to a bar but they were closing shortly. Grabbed a quick drink and we discuss arrangement. Then, we go to next bar, couple more drinks. Now, the hands are intertwining. Seated same side. Feel her thigh. All heating up.

We grab a bottle of wine, snacks and go to my room. On the way, my hands around her waist. Now, I let it slightly wander to the under of her breast and soon, found her nipples while in elevator.

We get in to the room. As soon as we got in, she was all over me. Within minutes, we both were down to bare minimum. And gosh. She was already soaking wet. I was surprised and she goes "I got wet the moment you plucked my nipples".

Can't wait. Slid the junior in. We went at it in multiple positions. More than an hour. She begged for me to CIP. I could feel her IUD while inside and made a split second decision to do it (worried a bit next AM but not much).

We cuddle for a while and later we go to shower. Things got frisky in shower again and we had another round right there.

Then, we slept like logs.

Next AM another 45 min session before she had to go to work.

Home run in US! It finally worked.

[Steve 9696]

Damn guys. It's a regular fuck fest in here. Great job! I am glad to see living proof that it's out there and you just have to find it. Even in SF!

Could you share the price you got in SF without any other specifics on the girl?

On condoms. Don't bother with the 04. May as well use Skyn. You simply must try the 01 tho. Nothing else comes close if it fits. Get the large. I wouldn't trust Amazon or EBay for this seems like there could be counterfeits and this is not a place to mess around. Www.allfromjapan.com that ships real Japanese products straight from Japan. Worth the extra cost for this item.

Finally on the civvies vs SA chicks thing. You have to deprogram a bit. First. Know that man was not made to be monogamous. Not in our DNA. Period. We can stereotype polyamorous folks as odd somehow. But that is flat out wrong. Other way around. Man was built to be polyamorous so don't let someone convince you otherwise.

Second. Don't treat civvies and SA girls differently. They all deserve respect and quality time w you. But there is nothing wrong with dating (fucking) two civvies. See point one. And this nothing wrong with dating an SA girl and a civvy back to back. They are both girls and you are a polyamorous guy (as all basically are). Don't fight it. Don't worry about it. Just go forward with respect for both parties and rock on.

[AmericanPi]

Finish dinner and decide to hit a bar (Steve, this idea of yours always. Always work). On the way, gently grab her waist. Feeling the vibe, went for a kiss. Nice engagement back. Game on.
.What's this idea. Do share.

By the way, someone on this thread once mentioned having a bottle of rose in the room. I tried it once and it worked like a charm. Now I do it every time. It does a number of things. It shows hospitality and foresight. It keeps the alcohol party going. And it gives you something to do.

[Steve 9696]

What's this idea. Do share.

By the way, someone on this thread once mentioned having a bottle of rose in the room. I tried it once and it worked like a charm. Now I do it every time. It does a number of things. It shows hospitality and foresight. It keeps the alcohol party going. And it gives you something to do.Haha yeah rose in the room is my go to. Easiest way to start the party — a couple glasses of wine. Plus it makes a nice break between rounds.

As far as the other idea it's certainly not original to me. But I often "bounce" girls from dinner to another more personal venue like a rooftop bar or something. This not only extends the date (which I like) but allows you to get closer (rather than opposite sides of the table) and do some minor escalation — touching / kissing to cement the vibe. I find it very effective.

P.S. Everything I know about dating and closing the deal I learned from the Nanpa (Japanese street pickup) forum at Attraction Japan. LMR, ASD, persistence, strong frame. Etc.

[Gfefan]

I think the idea of 5/6 or 10 nis subjective. For me Jennifer Lawrence is a 10 but someone else might find her a 8.

But anyway, things have been so rough in the US that I thought there is a 95% Chance that she will as me for $, about 30 minutes before dinner. I didn't.

Expect her to show up.

Frankly speaking, a 10 with bad attitude. I would walk away. A 6 with good attitude, my junior would respond.


Dude, why bother with 5/6's? You got lucky she turned 6/7, but if she didn't would you still fuck and pay her? Easier to just rub one out, free of charge. I know, it is tough to play in the US, let alone SF, but damn, I must be really desperate to fuck a 5.

[Gfefan]

All the platinum pussies quoted on the very second response.

$1000 for 2 hrs,$1500 for overnight.

One decent girl quoted $700 because she thought I am a nice guy (LOL. Discount). But, she wanted $200 on table if I decided not to take her back to room. Frankly speaking, I did not like any of those talking $ even before we met.

This one, after we met, and had a heating up kiss on the road, while at the next bar quoted $500. Boom. Agreed.




Could you share the price you got in SF without any other specifics on the girl.

[The Cane]

Really Cane and MiamiBoy? Youre going to come in here and shit on some guys good experience? He had a great time. That's all that matters. We are here to support and help each other (IMO). I mean free speech and all that but why even spend the time to criticize someone else's choices? Let's focus on the positives. Someone in our little group here just got laid. That's awesome!Hold your high horses bro! I wasn't "shitting" on anybody. I was talking about me and how I do and cast no aspersions upon anyone else. If someone fucks a fugly according to even his own optics scale but is happy with the outcome nevertheless then more power to him! My only point was that my own personal "constitution" if you will won't allow me to do that (I can't even get hard unless I feel she's a 7). So Stevie don't preach!

[DramaFree11]

Really Cane and MiamiBoy? Youre going to come in here and shit on some guys good experience? He had a great time. That's all that matters. We are here to support and help each other (IMO). I mean free speech and all that but why even spend the time to criticize someone else's choices? Let's focus on the positives. Someone in our little group here just got laid. That's awesome!Yep, these guys are way to caught up on 9/10's. I been some of these places where they claim they are meet 10's, I sure as hell never saw any 10's, when I was there, running the streets. Also some guys are now claiming to have multiple 10's at one time this almost impossible.

If this was my whole goal in life, I guess I could make it happen. 6. 5-8's are fine for me. Heading back to CDMX this weekend, life is good. I am having the best time of my life. I have about 8-10 girls lined up after to weeks back on the search in CDMX.

[Gfefan]

Thanks, Steve / Magicsheep and others who jumped in on my defense. Really appreciate it.

Cane and others who referred to fuglies. Its ok. No offense taken. Beauty lies in the eyes of beholder (or beerholder). I have learned to take opinions on any forums not personally because people behind keyboard don't know me. So, I don't generally get offended.

Having said that, this is a happy forum. At least I am here "escaping" from real life for happy moments. I'd strive to keep it that way and help fellow members where I can.

No offense taken with your comments. No hard feelings.

Cheers everyone. Let's move on. Someone please post a successful fuck story. Will ya.


Cane, you said it yourself! (I was talking about me and my own personnel ' constitution).

Hey Dude, nobody gives a flying f. K. You're just one of these guys that logs on every day and spreads your opinions around the world. Over the last few years, none with any valve.

The guy had a good time, end of story. Stick with banging fat-ass Brazilian up the poop shoot.

[MagicSheep74]

Thanks, Steve / Magicsheep and others who jumped in on my defense. Really appreciate it.

No offense taken with your comments. No hard feelings.

Cheers everyone. Let's move on. Someone please post a successful fuck story. Will ya.If you are ever in Prague, or fancy a sugar babe for a European trip, I could not recommend this lady highly enough. Met her in Prague a year ago and was blown away with the overall package. Beauty / Brain / and Personality. Looks 9/10 for sure.

Just back from a 3 days trip to Geneva with her, and it was an amazing experience.

https://www.alitgroup.com/companion/Playmate%20Noemi

Best European cities for seeking in my opinion. London and Madrid. Don't commit to dinner at a fancy restaurant for the first meeting. Meet for a drink, be prepared to leave in a hurry and also be prepared to CIM.

London Seeking Recommended. Search on. Thebest - 9/10 Brazlian - 450 a night GDP.

Madrid Seeking Recommended. Seach for. Samantha - 9/10 Venezuelan - 400 Euros' - 6 hrs meet. Filthy.

Enjoy.

[The Cane]

Yep, these guys are way to caught up on 9/10's. I been some of these places where they claim they are meet 10's, I sure as hell never saw any 10's, when I was there, running the streets. Also some guys are now claiming to have multiple 10's at one time this almost impossible.That would not include me. I've always said that a 7 (on my) scale will do!

[The Cane]

The guy had a good time, end of story.When you think about it neither I nor MiamiBoy raised the issue. He did. He thought she was going to be like a 4 or 5 or something. Instead she was like a 5 or 6. So, if someone raises a matter in their message then it's wrong for others to comment on same? I think you're better off staying in line with your post count and doing more looking than talking. And that's spelled poop chute! LMAO LOL!

[EuropeanDmv75]

Yep, these guys are way to caught up on 9/10's. I been some of these places where they claim they are meet 10's, I sure as hell never saw any 10's, when I was there, running the streets. Also some guys are now claiming to have multiple 10's at one time this almost impossible.

If this was my whole goal in life, I guess I could make it happen. 6. 5-8's are fine for me. Heading back to CDMX this weekend, life is good. I am having the best time of my life. I have about 8-10 girls lined up after to weeks back on the search in CDMX.Yes, those comments sound ridiculous. There are 10 k+ girls in a 20 mile radius from CDMX Center and many of them are solid 7/8's. There is a lot of quality and value in Mexico (CDMX, MTY, GDL). If you are not going there you are definitely missing out.

[MiamiBoy1]

When you think about it neither I nor MiamiBoy raised the issue. He did. He thought she was going to be like a 4 or 5 or something. Instead she was like a 5 or 6. So, if someone raises a matter in their message then it's wrong for others to comment on same? I think you're better off staying in line with your post count and doing more looking than talking. And that's spelled poop chute! LMAO LOL!Exactly. It is funny that Gfefan was not offended by our comments, but other posters were and tried to "defend" him. And the issue has nothing to do with my scale or your scale, or subjectivity. He rated the girl according to his personal scale and standards (and rated her low), and got lucky that she looked better in person. What if she looked like her pics, or even worse? Would she be worth spending $500? The issue that was brought up by Gfefan is that SA in the US, and SF specifically, sucks. He had to work with what was available to him, and went with her simply out of desperation, because other options were not feasible. Again, he was lucky she looked better in person and quoted a reasonable (for SF) rate, but it could be just a waste of time.

DramaFree.

I never had multiple 10's. Heck, I never even had a single 10. And I have no idea what places where all 10's are congregated you were talking about. Please enlighten me, and I will be happy to visit those places. Speaking of standards, I'm trying to get the best looking girls I can, but I will rarely go below 7/10 these days, simply because I don't feel like paying for something I can get for free (albeit, with some time and effort invested). And this is not the question of affordability or money per se. I want my experiences to be as less transactional as possible, and If I think I can get laid for free, obviously not counting some dinner / taxi expenses, I will try it. Why would I want to pay for sex with a 5 or 6? She probably needs sex as much as I do, if not more. Sure, I could fuck a 4, if I just got out of prison or something. But in reality, I'm not that desperate and would rather jerk off than pay some ugly or below average looking girl.

Steve,

Nobody is shitting on the guy. I'm glad it worked out for him. His report is a reminder for other guys to avoid SF, and USA altogether.

[Elvis 2008]

On the spreading. Yeah. I think about that. I always use a condom. But they are not fool proof and really not not for HSV and HPV. Truth is I spend the week after an SA binge looking at my dick for anything.Not wanting to get into a debate on STDs but there are studies that show condoms do nothing for HPV and HSV. What has been proven to work with HSV prevention is the drug Valtrex. You can get a doctor's prescription, buy it all day chemist or get it abroad. Study showed that 740 or so married couples where one person had HSV had 16 transmissions per year without Valtrex and those taking Valtrex daily only had 4 out of 740 transmissions per year studied. So it is not perfect but it is a lot better than condoms. Prevention dose is 500 MG per day. Generic Valtrex is valacyclovir.

Some argue that taking such drugs causes resistance rates to rise. So your taking this drug to prevent HSV may be hurting society long term. I am not going to debate on this subject. Just want to inform.

With HPV, you want to get vaccinated with Gardasil. Now they are using a 2 instead of 3 dose regimen. Not sure how accurate this is, https://www.acog.org/womens-health/experts-and-stories/the-latest/what-i-tell-every-patient-about-the-hpv-vaccine#text=The%20 vaccine%20 is%20 very%2 see%20 very, in%20 preventing%20 external%20 genital%20 warts.

If you are vaccinated before being exposed to the virus, the HPV vaccine is 97 percent effective in preventing cervical cancer and cell changes that could lead to cancer. Plus, it's almost 100 percent effective in preventing external genital warts.

Of all the things you can do to be considerate to women, getting this vaccine is probably the most. Penile cancer in males due to HPV is not that common but cervical cancer due to HPV is common in women. It is why they get PAP smears.

I hate recommending vaccines after the whole Covid fiasco and I have read horrible reports of side effects with the vaccine but I know a lot of guys who have gotten the vaccine and not had any issues. I had issues with the Covid vax but not this one. I think for most mongers getting the vaccine has more benefit than risk and guys should do so but do your own research and talk to your own doctor.

[Elvis 2008]

Yep, these guys are way to caught up on 9/10's. I been some of these places where they claim they are meet 10's, I sure as hell never saw any 10's, when I was there, running the streets. Also some guys are now claiming to have multiple 10's at one time this almost impossible.

If this was my whole goal in life, I guess I could make it happen. 6. 5-8's are fine for me. Heading back to CDMX this weekend, life is good. I am having the best time of my life. I have about 8-10 girls lined up after to weeks back on the search in CDMX.DF, I posted this in the Medellin forum but I should post it here. When I first started using SA in 2009, it was new, and those were the best of times. I got a 9-10 type off the site in the USA, and I think that I got two others and quit in 2018. My last best SA gal in the USA was from 2016, and she was a 7 and great in the sack. 2009 to 2013 or so were the golden years for SA in the USA.

In 2019, I focused abroad. Prepandemic I met four women who were 9's in Colombia looks wise. We hung out some and I did two of them bare, but it was mostly transactional with these women. Thing is I remember posting about SA on the Colombia forums and guys were hostile. Paying $80 a month to meet top women was unheard of and I got roasted. Best woman I met then was like an 8 type. With her, there was no hooker feel but back then, I had SA almost to myself. LOL.

Before talking to you and giving Monterrey another try, I struck out there with SA. The best I had in CDMX was a 7, and she was great.

Point is I forgot what a big deal the pandemic was. Once it started, I met two 9-10 types in Monterrey and four in CDMX. I met six or so throughout Colombia as well. All of a sudden all these amazing women who were working and on the sidelines were desperate for cash. Still, my number 2 girl in Colombia was a 7 as well.

A buddy of mine was telling me I could never find what I have in Colombia in the USA. He was like just based on her height and weight dimensions, she is in the top 0. 1% of American women, and I looked it up and he is right. I had told other guys if they play the game like I did, they could do as well as I have. And now, I am like, no I got really lucky. If there was no pandemic, I never would have met her.

Still as great as she is, I had more fun on my trip with three women, a 7, 8, and 8.5 then I did with her. I have given up fun and variety for intimacy and stability, but a lot of guys do not want intimacy and stability.

And half the 9-10 types in Mexico wanted $500 to meet. I did bang all of them save one. As great looking as they were, honestly, I was banging a tall thin goth hooker for $50 an hour then who was better than almost all of them.

There was one whom I did not bang, and she was a Colombian in CDMX. She was a 9-10 type who was thin, classy, and like 6 foot. She even spoke English. I get that women like her get all these men coming onto them and they have to screen all the losers, but she came right out and said I am looking for a guy who can afford my lifestyle which is $2000 a month. Thing is you have just told me you are looking for "a guy" and not me in particular.

Funny thing is a 9-10 type and I did get along and while she was really nice, but the chemistry was not there. Still, she was nice and positive and she met a guy who treated her like gold and better than I ever could have.

So long story short, I think what you are doing and focusing on the above average attractive women who are fun instead of the finest is best. The best looking women are typically rattled by a mental disorder like borderline, bipolar, OCD, narcissism, or ADD / ADHD, and of all of those, the only one I can take is ADD / ADHD which I think my gal has. Dealing with the 9-10 types usually really is not worth the trouble and expense. Give me a sweet 7 or 8 over a hot and crazy 9-10 type any day.

[Foolish]

I haven't usually had performance issues but the day before Are you enjoying the long sessions otherwise? I've realized that I don't mind the long stamina I get from 5-20 MG Taladafil. No performance issues normally but find that I'the rather savor with pills for a long time vs shooting multiple times in a session. Funny enough, like Steve, getting blown is the surefire way of releasing. Not a fan of BLS but some thrusting in BBBJ works for CIM or otherwise usually after 5-10 minutes.

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[Gfefan]

Steve.

I think your mailbox is full.

Unable to reach you.

[Gfefan]

So far I have not used these meds. Are the side effects listed online true?

If yes, what is the most common and how do you work around?

I will be in Europe soon, and have 3 SBs lined up over 3 days. One of those is my regular. Have never done 3 days in a row although in a given day, I do a minimum of 3 sessions.

So, wondering if I need to do something different but don't want to be unprepared for side effects.


Are you enjoying the long sessions otherwise? I've realized that I don't mind the long stamina I get from 5-20 MG Taladafil. No performance issues normally but find that I'the rather savor with pills for a long time vs shooting multiple times in a session. Funny enough, like Steve, getting blown is the surefire way of releasing. Not a fan of BLS but some thrusting in BBBJ works for CIM or otherwise usually after 5-10 minutes.

F.

[Steve 9696]

So far I have not used these meds. Are the side effects listed online true?

If yes, what is the most common and how do you work around?

I will be in Europe soon, and have 3 SBs lined up over 3 days. One of those is my regular. Have never done 3 days in a row although in a given day, I do a minimum of 3 sessions.

So, wondering if I need to do something different but don't want to be unprepared for side effects.Obviously do the dr consult and all and leave time to get the meds. The main thing they check for is your blood pressure. Apparently low BP is not good for this. If you are in Europe much easier OTC I suppose. I use Khealth online here in US and have been happy.

I use the 10 MG Cialis and love it. Of course it lasts 3 ish days tho I might boost a day or two in depending. For me primary side effect is some flushing and massive bloodshot eyes. The key to bloodshot eyes is Lumify. This shit is amazing. Don't use any substitute. It's expensive for that teeny bottle but worth every penny. Actually having used Cialis a couple years I see less of this anyhow. And yes I believe it takes me longer to cum but that could also be cause I have no business fucking as much as I do on a binge. Def love the hardness and fucking forever. It really is a miracle drug.

P.S. Mailbox clear.