Seeking Arrangements

[FastMdSter]

So far I have not used these meds. Are the side effects listed online true?

If yes, what is the most common and how do you work around?

I will be in Europe soon, and have 3 SBs lined up over 3 days. One of those is my regular. Have never done 3 days in a row although in a given day, I do a minimum of 3 sessions.

So, wondering if I need to do something different but don't want to be unprepared for side effects.I think Cialis is the best option but it's person specific what works best.

I'm in the healthcare profession, look at my screen name. You will get your best bang for the $ with 10 MG generic from a quality manufacturer.

The most common aes are usually headache, stuffy nose, red eyes (the vasoconstriction), sometimes syncope.

However, you can adjust dosing, start with 5 MG before an adventure and check how you feel. Do it for 2-3 days. Then you can up to 10 MG or cut in half, but the tab is oblong to prevent this. So should cut longitudinal.

Lumify works great and puts dollars in my pocket.

Just make sure you get a quality generic. Some of my buddies have switched to getting it from Stride, getmystride or something because they give it for free supposedly if you need anything else, but I don't need to go that route.

Like all meds just don't get a bottle and pop on the plane before you land and have no experience.

My buddy did that going to Brazil for first time and passed out in the bathroom (severely lowered his BP, low glucose etc). No major issue but he endured a lot of ribbing from us on that trip LOL.

Have fun!

[Gfefan]

Still says Steve has chosen not to receive messages and / or is not allowed to receive messages. Weird.




P.S. Mailbox clear.

[Foolish]

So far I have not used these meds. Are the side effects listed online true?

If yes, what is the most common and how do you work around?

So, wondering if I need to do something different but don't want to be unprepared for side effects.Much like the others have posted, definitely pick up a few tabs if you can of the different options: Cialis (Tadalafil), Viagra (Sildenafil), etc. I first tried going the doctor route, but usually in South America, can just get OTC. I used to get the side effects with Viagra (bloodshot / headachy type), but when I switched to Cialis, no real issues. Then play with the dosages, hopefully before you get to your trip. Essentially, in the end, it will help you figure out what type of stamina you actually want. In Brazil, they only had 20 MG of Tadalafil at the pharmacy that I went to, so did a pop every 1. 5 days and was good to go and no issues. Although going for a few hours straight may not be what you want LOL.

[Turgid]

A guy I know told me that his friend used Seeking in Bogota and ended up marrying the girl he hooked up with. Anyone heard similar stories?

[Elvis 2008]

Much like the others have posted, definitely pick up a few tabs if you can of the different options: Cialis (Tadalafil), Viagra (Sildenafil), etc. I first tried going the doctor route, but usually in South America, can just get OTC. I used to get the side effects with Viagra (bloodshot / headachy type), but when I switched to Cialis, no real issues. Then play with the dosages, hopefully before you get to your trip. Essentially, in the end, it will help you figure out what type of stamina you actually want. In Brazil, they only had 20 MG of Tadalafil at the pharmacy that I went to, so did a pop every 1. 5 days and was good to go and no issues. Although going for a few hours straight may not be what you want LOL.They say all these generics are the same. They are not. The best viagra brand is Kamagra. There is a place called the kamagra store but I can vouch for all day chemist: https://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kamagra.

I can't vouch for this store but the best generic Cialis is tadalista. I am not sure if this site is reliable but this is what the packet looks like: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/tadalista-20-mg-22992573555.html.

This is not just me saying this but I have vouched for these products and so has anyone I know who has ever tried and used them.

[Elvis 2008]

A guy I know told me that his friend used Seeking in Bogota and ended up marrying the girl he hooked up with. Anyone heard similar stories?I think I know who you are talking about. Yeah, my gal got on the site because a GF of hers in Colombia met a Spanish guy and married him and lives in Spain.

It is funny when you have these knuckleheads who declare that the site has to be filled with hooker types because of the name. For the most part, women do what their friends do. If their friends used it to get johns, get a BF / sugar daddy, or get a husband, that is what they are going to look at doing. Many times I have had to educate women on what the role of a sugar baby is, and I did not ask who or what got them on the site.

I read a book based on a survey of what women really want. It is funny, huh? Everyone is trying to figure that out but no one thought to ask. Anyway, what the researchers found is the mistress of a man is looking for the exact same traits in him as she would be in a husband. So yeah, if you have a hooker type, it is all about money, but when you have a SB, a real one, it is really not just all about the money, and that confused the heck out of me.

After I was divorced, I wrongly thought the SBs I had would never have dated me, but they would have provided I was monogamous with the one I chose.

[Foolish]

I wrongly thought the SBs I had would never have dated me, but they would have provided I was monogamous with the one I chose.My takeaway for people reading this is: it's not impossible for real, amazing relationships to happen with incredible women, but I would caution any expectations of anything "more". That goes for SBs, semi-pros, escorts, massage girls, street girls, etc etc etc. I think that for the most part, the skepticism is strong, because we also see the opposite happen. Scammers, pros who are trying to only milk guys and the simps, hopeless romantics who fall for everything. I don't have a link, but it's some IG / tiktok interview with a massive onlyfans girl who detests all those guys paying her way. It seems crazy, but it's the current reality.

For guys who have 'game'/ personality / money / whatever, these sites / situations are more about getting a chance at the table with model / fantasy / dream girls. Then they can show off their charm, wit, humor or whatever (Or lack of it, but still each gets what they need: $$ for the lady, getting to the bedroom for the guy.

F.

[AmericanPi]

I'm not disagreeing with you or the prior poster. I do believe all of this is possible. Of course.

But I often come on here to make a point about odds and likelihoods.

The reality is a girl joins the site because she wants to trade her youth for money, episodically. That's why she's on the site. Any girl can find older guys on any other dating site, easily, without the backdrop of the kind of impropriety that sugaring connotes.

This means that any relationship that starts here always has that as the context. Always. I'm not saying people don't really dare or even get married off this stuff. I'm saying don't confuse those terms with the way they're used without that context. The likelihood a sugar daddy and baby marriage ends with happily ever after reminiscing about their lives on the porch is slim to none because the foundation is one of a power imbalance and explicit financial exchange. No amount of "we saw past all that over time" changes the fact that you have 2 people who'd never be together were it not for the exchange.

I cringe when I hear guys on here talk about their girlfriends, meaning people they met on a sugar site and still give money to, even if not the way they used to. I often wonder how the same stories would be told from the other side.


My takeaway for people reading this is: it's not impossible for real, amazing relationships to happen with incredible women, but I would caution any expectations of anything "more". That goes for SBs, semi-pros, escorts, massage girls, street girls, etc etc etc. I think that for the most part, the skepticism is strong, because we also see the opposite happen. Scammers, pros who are trying to only milk guys and the simps, hopeless romantics who fall for everything. I don't have a link, but it's some IG / tiktok interview with a massive onlyfans girl who detests all those guys paying her way. It seems crazy, but it's the current reality..

[Gfefan]

Europe. Land of plenty.

MY regular sb is begging to spend more time (aka fuck Me all day) as I am not living in Europe anymore. This is the one that refuses to take $ from me.

Ditching Sharks for her. Difficult choice. Wil try to squeeze in though but looks like Sharks will have to wait.

[YouCantSeeMe]

They say all these generics are the same. They are not. The best viagra brand is Kamagra. There is a place called the kamagra store but I can vouch for all day chemist: https://www.alldaychemist.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=kamagra.

I can't vouch for this store but the best generic Cialis is tadalista. I am not sure if this site is reliable but this is what the packet looks like: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/tadalista-20-mg-22992573555.html.

This is not just me saying this but I have vouched for these products and so has anyone I know who has ever tried and used them.I have firsthand experience using Kamagra and can vouch that it does the job pretty well. I use it during my trips to pattaya where I have to fuck 12 chicks in 3 days. LOL. Off late I have been hearing a lot of duplicate kamagra hitting the market. So administer caution and buy from large chemists and legit stores.

Have you tried horny goat weed? They say it's a natural plant based supplement and is pretty good.

Stay safe!

[Steve 9696]

Not a Seeking adventure but I know we all share interest in the girl scene worldwide. Thought you might enjoy a story from Taiwan. Not your easiest P4 P country! Here's a link.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1024-Taipei&p=2838829#post2838829.

[AmericanPi]

Not a Seeking adventure but I know we all share interest in the girl scene worldwide. Thought you might enjoy a story from Taiwan. Not your easiest P4 P country! Here's a link.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1024-Taipei&p=2838829#post2838829.Fantastic story. Honestly the best part was she handed you the phone and the KTV manager confirmed you had a good time? I would never forget that cherry on top.

[Foolish]

But I often come on here to make a point about odds and likelihoods.

I cringe when I hear guys on here talk about their girlfriends, meaning people they met on a sugar site and still give money to, even if not the way they used to. I often wonder how the same stories would be told from the other side.Totally on the same page. And to be honest, there are a lot of successful SB / SDs who definitely do not want "more". It usually can get awkward / sideways when that balance is lost.


This is the one that refuses to take $ from me.Enjoy. These are some of the best, while they last.


Fantastic story. Honestly the best part was she handed you the phone and the KTV manager confirmed you had a good time? I would never forget that cherry on top.Awesome customer service. I don't understand the restrictive Asian monger culture (like Taiwan, South Korea, etc), but I guess it's about keeping it local or people who ruined it for others? Imagine Colombia, instead of getting worse in service / increase in price, they just don't allow foreigners. Would still like to explore these places for travel, but have low expectations (unless I'm on business like Steve! Ha).

[Elvis 2008]

I'm not disagreeing with you or the prior poster. I do believe all of this is possible. Of course.

But I often come on here to make a point about odds and likelihoods.

The reality is a girl joins the site because she wants to trade her youth for money, episodically. That's why she's on the site. Any girl can find older guys on any other dating site, easily, without the backdrop of the kind of impropriety that sugaring connotes.

This means that any relationship that starts here always has that as the context. Always. I'm not saying people don't really dare or even get married off this stuff. I'm saying don't confuse those terms with the way they're used without that context. The likelihood a sugar daddy and baby marriage ends with happily ever after reminiscing about their lives on the porch is slim to none because the foundation is one of a power imbalance and explicit financial exchange. No amount of "we saw past all that over time" changes the fact that you have 2 people who'd never be together were it not for the exchange.

I cringe when I hear guys on here talk about their girlfriends, meaning people they met on a sugar site and still give money to, even if not the way they used to. I often wonder how the same stories would be told from the other side.AP, you are too definitive. Your always comment is directly contradicted by my gal and the one I was dating before her. In the USA, in my experience, it WAS always about the money. In Mexico and Colombia, it could have been just that they wanted to hang out with a wealthy foreigner.

You are also wrongly making the assumption that all relationships from SA started with an exchange of money. That was true in the USA and not elsewhere. I was with women abroad who many times asked for no money.

And let's flip it around. Yes, we men should always be on the lookout for a woman who pretends to like us but it is just about money, but there should be caution on the other side too, women who care nothing about money and too much about you. Too often that is the borderline woman, the fatal attraction type, "I am not going to be ignored, Dan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKDX-egZjk.

I actually think men's biggest mistake is overconfidence in how their woman is feeling. It is normal for you to want her to think she wants you for you and not your money. I realize that the worst judge of whether a woman was into me was me. That is why you get your friends, especially your female ones, to confirm if she really is into you. They may not always be right, but their track record will be much better than yours.

[GoingDumb]

Are you enjoying the long sessions otherwise? I've realized that I don't mind the long stamina I get from 5-20 MG Taladafil. No performance issues normally but find that I'the rather savor with pills for a long time vs shooting multiple times in a session. Funny enough, like Steve, getting blown is the surefire way of releasing. Not a fan of BLS but some thrusting in BBBJ works for CIM or otherwise usually after 5-10 minutes.

F.I enjoy the long sessions. I've never been able to shoot multiple times in an hour /90 minutes but not sure how long you're counting. I've always been jealous of it LOL but that way round 2 I can go for awhile at least. I started taking Sildenafil 20 MG last year for girls from sa but it doesn't seem as effective anymore. I don't have a problem getting up for round 2 but after a few positions it's like jr loses interest especially feel with the rubber.

Sadly I can only find them in Europe. My experience in the US is more pump and dump / business focuses. Most girls leave after an hour or so which is a bummer and why I've stopped looking. The one good experience I had in the US was the one time I went bb. CIP pretty quick, then she got on CG which was also great.

[Steve 9696]

I enjoy the long sessions. I've never been able to shoot multiple times in an hour /90 minutes but not sure how long you're counting. I've always been jealous of it LOL but that way round 2 I can go for awhile at least. I started taking Sildenafil 20 MG last year for girls from sa but it doesn't seem as effective anymore. I don't have a problem getting up for round 2 but after a few positions it's like jr loses interest especially feel with the rubber.

Sadly I can only find them in Europe. My experience in the US is more pump and dump / business focuses. Most girls leave after an hour or so which is a bummer and why I've stopped looking. The one good experience I had in the US was the one time I went bb. CIP pretty quick, then she got on CG which was also great.Of course go as low as you can and be effective but 20 MG viagra is a super small dose. 50 and 100 are most common.

[MexicanCuban]

AP, you are too definitive. Your always comment is directly contradicted by my gal and the one I was dating before her. In the USA, in my experience, it WAS always about the money. In Mexico and Colombia, it could have been just that they wanted to hang out with a wealthy foreigner.

You are also wrongly making the assumption that all relationships from SA started with an exchange of money. That was true in the USA and not elsewhere. I was with women abroad who many times asked for no money.

And let's flip it around. Yes, we men should always be on the lookout for a woman who pretends to like us but it is just about money, but there should be caution on the other side too, women who care nothing about money and too much about you. Too often that is the borderline woman, the fatal attraction type, "I am not going to be ignored, Dan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKDX-egZjk.

I actually think men's biggest mistake is overconfidence in how their woman is feeling. It is normal for you to want her to think she wants you for you and not your money. I realize that the worst judge of whether a woman was into me was me. That is why you get your friends, especially your female ones, to confirm if she really is into you. They may not always be right, but their track record will be much better than yours.I have to agree with the part when you say that AP wrongly assumes that all relationships in SA started with a exchange of money.

I remember this arts student who I met in SA, went for a cup of coffee and then we fucked. At the end I automatically gave her $$ that I had told her over message I was going to gift her and she really didn't want to take it. We saw each other a few more times and she told me "you gave me money, I never asked for it". In the end I stopped seeing her because she was very clingy and was texting me all day long while I was working. I think she wasnt looking for money in the site, but a relationship with an older guy like me, maybe her goal was to lmove in with me as a couple and get married.

[DramaFree11]

AP, you are too definitive. Your always comment is directly contradicted by my gal and the one I was dating before her. In the USA, in my experience, it WAS always about the money. In Mexico and Colombia, it could have been just that they wanted to hang out with a wealthy foreigner.

You are also wrongly making the assumption that all relationships from SA started with an exchange of money. That was true in the USA and not elsewhere. I was with women abroad who many times asked for no money.

And let's flip it around. Yes, we men should always be on the lookout for a woman who pretends to like us but it is just about money, but there should be caution on the other side too, women who care nothing about money and too much about you. Too often that is the borderline woman, the fatal attraction type, "I am not going to be ignored, Dan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYKDX-egZjk.

I actually think men's biggest mistake is overconfidence in how their woman is feeling. It is normal for you to want her to think she wants you for you and not your money. I realize that the worst judge of whether a woman was into me was me. That is why you get your friends, especially your female ones, to confirm if she really is into you. They may not always be right, but their track record will be much better than yours.I have said this many times, but it is worth repeating. What I get back in return from, SA, far exceeds what money I give the girls. There are 4 girls I see regularly in MTY, this has been going on for almost 3 years now. There is another girl I see in CDMX, for over a year now. I would definitely marry her. So humble and genuine when we are together. She is also a total freak. With these girls I never discuss money and at times I almost feel guilty how little I give them.

Yes, America is tough, but you can also have great.

Times in the states, but this does take more time and money.

Heading back to CDMX tomorrow, how guys can complain about CDMX I will never understand, there are hot girls everywhere, totally amazing. I have at least 2 meetings set-up daily, what more can I ask for. I was there 2 weeks ago and what an amazing trip, Yes, CDMX is expensive, but there is so little competition there and hot girls everywhere.

Also, some girls have lowered there prices, from before.

More good news, airline tickets prices have dropped significantly for San Antonio to CDMX. I will be there every other weekend. At least through the Holidays.

[AmericanPi]

Enough push back that I can see the other side. I take it back.

I guess a number of you are having relationships on SA that truly transcend the financial aspect to the point they'd happen even without the money.

I stand corrected.

[Elvis 2008]

I I think she wasnt looking for money in the site, but a relationship with an older guy like me, maybe her goal was to lmove in with me as a couple and get married.


There is another girl I see in CDMX, for over a year now. I would definitely marry her.So to the OP who asked about this, you can see that yes marriage can happen on SA and sometimes women are looking for it. If you read the women's tabs and what they are looking for, you almost always will see luxury lifestyle, but it is not uncommon to see women list marriage minded, and I think most times that they list that they are seriously looking for a husband.

[GoingDumb]

Of course go as low as you can and be effective but 20 MG viagra is a super small dose. 50 and 100 are most common.I tried 40 MG once and really felt the flushing and heart rate. I feel like 100 might make me pass out like Fast's buddy in the bathroom LOL. I wanted to try cialis but the doc prescribed viagra first.

[DramaFree11]

Good news about Customs in CDMX, they are process of stream lining the immigration process. So much more efficient and faster. Not bad for Mexico.

How guys can complain about CDMX, I will never understand. This is paradise for me. Off to RosaNegra, it will be a soup night and Vodka. I have to cut cost somehow. (Joke).

[MiamiBoy1]

How guys can complain about CDMX, I will never understand. This is paradise for me. Off to RosaNegra, it will be a soup night and Vodka. I have to cut cost somehow. (Joke).How you complain about Colombia, I will never understand. Colombianas, on average, look better than Mexicanas, and charge 50% less. You are biased because you live close to the mexican border, and so are monger living in San Diego, for example. For them Tijuana is a no brainer.

[DramaFree11]

How you complain about Colombia, I will never understand. Colombianas, on average, look better than Mexicanas, and charge 50% less. You are biased because you live close to the mexican border, and so are monger living in San Diego, for example. For them Tijuana is a no brainer.Sorry, again I disagree with you. It is not only looks for me it is there bad attitudes, extreme jealousy and laziness. Not mention there big / fake asses. Again, I have mostly dealt with girls from MDE, and I am not impressed.

For someone that claims to have such high standards and you are slumming in Colombia, this makes no sense to me. Mexico rocks! I am not going argue with you, like you do with guys on other threads. I think you should take the same approach on the other threads you are active on.

[Gfefan]

One SB I met. We had a great M&G. Super pretty. Very fuck worthy.

M&G was so good that we even started dirty talks as we left the restaurant.

Was upping the game using Steve trick of hitting a bar next. Walking through a garden in the city, she starts feeling nauseatic and after a while, throwing up. Had t help her out, and then find a pharmacy nearby, get some meds.

Sent her home by cab. She texts me in the AM that she is better but I had a dry night.

[Nounce]

Enough push back that I can see the other side. I take it back.

I guess a number of you are having relationships on SA that truly transcend the financial aspect to the point they'd happen even without the money.

I stand corrected.The context isn't that clear, is it sex, love, or marriage? I think you are not wrong. I think most relationships talked about here are lopsided in some way. That is not ideal for long term relationship. It also depends on one's environment, and how you define what is "incredible", for example.

[XViking]

...She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus...
you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time...
Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!No doubt, early direct talk spooks nice girls. But indirect talk is often a deadend. For example, I do not need sex with condom. How you do that without spooking nice girls? Should I take them one by one to the hotel room with all the gifts / allowances until I fell on one who agrees? What is the chance the life is long enough?

For another example, I did not talk directly first 40 years and then counted how many morning blowjobs I had so far. I remembered exactly one. Nice girls played like they do not guess what all men love most of all.

There are no nice girls who expect gift / allowance even as bonus. If she left after 3-4 hours including dinner, or if after the first round she took off her necklace and went to sleep, she fucked you.

Anything nice in the mongering world is illusion, though illusion can be important. Removing illusions, this world is a constant struggle when you try to fuck her and she tries to fuck you (metaphorically).

One day, I decided that I talk straight what I want and all the nice girls can explode. And an incredible happened. Some nice girls recovered from the spooking. And then it was a rocking time (see my report on Punta Cana from today).

[AmericanPi]

There really isn't a good way to ask this question so I'm just going to ask it.

I have a date with someone on SA set. She's 19. In California that's not old enough to drink. I like to drink when I eat, and also loosens me up.

Should I be foregoing alcohol on this date so it's not like I'm the old guy who can drink?

I realize how sleazy this sounds.

[Elvis 2008]

Enough push back that I can see the other side. I take it back.

I guess a number of you are having relationships on SA that truly transcend the financial aspect to the point they'd happen even without the money.

I stand corrected.AP, I hope you get it is not about saying you are wrong but being open to the possibility a woman likes you for you and if so, it may lead you to an even richer experience. If you come from the hooker and stripper world, it is natural to be cynical. Ten years ago, I would have said the same thing you did.

[Steve 9696]

There really isn't a good way to ask this question so I'm just going to ask it.

I have a date with someone on SA set. She's 19. In California that's not old enough to drink. I like to drink when I eat, and also loosens me up.

Should I be foregoing alcohol on this date so it's not like I'm the old guy who can drink?

I realize how sleazy this sounds.She's an American young woman. She prob drinks or smokes weed w her friends all the time. Only rude move is to not get a drink for her IMO!

I don't normally date under 21 because I find they flake more often. But I've done it twice. Both times I try to just blow it past the waiter — "Two glasses of Chardonnay please". Once in Philly it just sailed thru and she was so thrilled. Another time in Vegas they carded her and she couldn't produce ID so no dice. But was really no big deal. It's a no harm no foul kinda thing IMO.

[Gfefan]

Drink. Will let ya decide.

I recently had an experience in the US. We moved to chatting on phone. Some questions / answers later she blurted out her full birth date including year.

I did the math and she wasn't old enough to consent. Pulled the plug.

Watch out, please. Play safe.


There really isn't a good way to ask this question so I'm just going to ask it.

I have a date with someone on SA set. She's 19. In California that's not old enough to drink. I like to drink when I eat, and also loosens me up.

Should I be foregoing alcohol on this date so it's not like I'm the old guy who can drink?

I realize how sleazy this sounds.

[AmericanPi]

I normally have a bottle of rose waiting in the room. That's an idea I picked up here on this board. It's a great one for all of you.

But as to your suggestion, and also the bottle of rose, that's a hard pass.

This is 2023. If god forbid she has a crazy streak, too easy for her to say this older gentleman plied this younger girl who is not legally allowed to drink with alcohol so he could take advantage of her. Nope. Maybe in 2003. Not in 2023.


She's an American young woman. She prob drinks or smokes weed w her friends all the time. Only rude move is to not get a drink for her IMO!

I don't normally date under 21 because I find they flake more often. But I've done it twice. Both times I try to just blow it past the waiter "Two glasses of Chardonnay please". Once in Philly it just sailed thru and she was so thrilled. Another time in Vegas they carded her and she couldn't produce ID so no dice. But was really no big deal. It's a no harm no foul kinda thing IMO.

[LshRoomer]

There really isn't a good way to ask this question so I'm just going to ask it.

I have a date with someone on SA set. She's 19. In California that's not old enough to drink. I like to drink when I eat, and also loosens me up.

Should I be foregoing alcohol on this date so it's not like I'm the old guy who can drink?

I realize how sleazy this sounds.I've never come across this situation exactly. I've only had one less than 21 year old, but that was in London where you can drink at 18, so no issue. However, I do think of other times and venues when I usually go and get the drinks from the bar and then bring them back to the table, which in this case would solve your problem if you don't want to risk her being carded.

Besides that I recently starting keeping champagne in the fridge for whenever someone comes to my airbnb / hotel, (escort or SA girl) and I've found that they really appreciate it and usually finish the bottle. LOL.

All in all, have your drinks and make sure to get her some too. .

02.

[Steve 9696]

As some of you enjoyed the Taiwan report out. Here is Bangkok. We'll really only day 1, but as you can see it was epic. You really must go.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports

It’s about midway down the page.

[Steve 9696]

Currently in Athens with a true ten unicorn found on Seeking. Some may know her as Smoke Show from a few months ago.

First to address the question of there is no such thing as a ten. I also used to believe this. Yet when I met her in April I thought she was a ten. Then, as the months passed I said surely she must be a 9. 5 and my mind is romanticizing her. But nope. Sitting across from her at dinner I couldn't help but stare. And I thought, what could be improved? The answer was nothing. Nothing at all. Her lips and eyes are crafted as if to describe the perfect woman. Later in bed I concluded her body is perfect in every respect as well.

And she is a truly lovely person too. On the way home from dinner she asked a homeless man if he'the like the steak leftovers she was carrying. Just out of the blue. She is a sweet soul.

The bad part is the sex was mediocre in Spain and that hadn't changed. Boo. But the optics. Wow. We will of course have more sex maybe we can improve. But mostly I intend to just enjoy life with this amazing unique creature.

I guess I am writing this mostly to say that Seeking rules and it went like this:

Met a girl online on Seeking. One of thousands.

She looked like s model and was asking 1000 and I only had 400 to offer but was very polite about and she accepted, but said no overnight at that price. Ok.

She turns out to be an amazing person.

A few weeks later, Knowing her only s few hours I ask her to travel w me to Athens and she says sure.

We negotiate a very favorable rate and here we are! And she is a full on ten sleeping peacefully beside me.

How in the world?

Keep at it guys. They are out there. (Tho next time I'm taking a 7 that rocks my world in bed!)

[Elvis 2008]

Currently in Athens with a true ten unicorn found on Seeking. Some may know her as Smoke Show from a few months ago.

First to address the question of there is no such thing as a ten. I also used to believe this. Yet when I met her in April I thought she was a ten. Then, as the months passed I said surely she must be a 9. 5 and my mind is romanticizing her. But nope. Sitting across from her at dinner I couldn't help but stare. And I thought, what could be improved? The answer was nothing. Nothing at all. Her lips and eyes are crafted as if to describe the perfect woman. Later in bed I concluded her body is perfect in every respect as well.

And she is a truly lovely person too. On the way home from dinner she asked a homeless man if he'the like the steak leftovers she was carrying. Just out of the blue. She is a sweet soul.

The bad part is the sex was mediocre in Spain and that hadn't changed. Boo. But the optics. Wow. We will of course have more sex maybe we can improve. But mostly I intend to just enjoy life with this amazing unique creature.

Other guys have said 10's are flawless. I am not sure if such a thing exists and if so, what is the point of even talking about it?

The first 10 I ever saw was in a strip club twenty or so years ago. Somehow she got prettier every time I saw her. One time I was at the club, and she just smiled at a guy and said Hi. That guy had a GF working at the club. Later on, the GF got together with a different guy, probably promised him some pussy, and they were going to beat up the 10 for "trying to steal her BF". That is where I got my definition of where a 10 comes from. She is so beautiful that she drives both sexes crazy. The 10 was like, " if I wanted your BF, I would have him. ".

I laughed as I realized I was describing maybe the first known 10 in literature, Helena of Troy. She was the woman who had a face who launched a thousand ships right? Who says you did not learn anything in high school? LOL.

And Steve, yeah, the sex was not that great. Still I remember once when we were done, I just looked at her mesmerized. You know how you can just stare and look at a fire for hours? It was like that.

I was engaged to a woman who was close to a 10, and after we broke up, I just was determined to get as good or better again, and man it was hard. There were so many dead ends, so many crummy dates. I have been accused of saying all my women were 10's but there were maybe four to six women I met after the ex-fianc that were as pretty or prettier than her.

My current gal is the second prettiest woman I met in Colombia. I really did not have any outside interactions with the prettiest one, and truth be told, she was what you would expect from a 10, materialistic and stuck up. What was surprising was that she was slightly above average in bed.

My current gal is a different story. She had an eating disorder in her teens but now it is like when she is unhappy or stressed, she does not eat much, works out more, and looks better. When she is with me, she is happier, eats more, and looks worse. LOL. So when I met her, she looked her best.

I had noticed that with one girl with an eating disorder in college. She got the best looking guys even though she was like a 7 or 8. I think it was because she did not have the ego that other women did and wanted to please others. It seems like all the 10's have a bit of a screw loose: borderline, bipolar, narcissist, histronic, OCD. For me, eating disorder and ADD have been the least toxic of all the mental issues. If you want a 10, you are going to have to put up with some shit.

So yeah, the first time we were together, people went nuts like I described: horns honking, guys screaming, walking into a restaurant and everyone staring. I wanted to say, "Are you seeing this?" What I learned is that she was used to it, and slowly, I got used to it too.

Since we have been together, I think she has drifted down to the 9 or 9. 5 range because she has been happier. I have less angst that someone is going to try to steal her away or stalk her or whatever.

So the really hard part is not just finding a 10 bur finding one who is not stuck up and good in bed. Those are the true unicorns. And I wonder if there is really even a happy 10. Once they found the right guy and are happy, aren't they going to let their looks go a little?

[Steve 9696]

The sex got much better with some adjustments to her BJ. And we introduced her vibrator. We started with just masturbating each other while staring deep into each others eyes. This was so intimate and a whole nuther level.

You guys prob know this but the vibrator is the secret weapon no matter how good you are. We vibed with my dick in her mouth and that got the party started. Then vibed in doggie with her grabbing headboard. She dug that. Best is vibing in the Steve position. Yet another advantage of that position. She was really enjoying that and def got off in a loud face scrunching way she had not before. Oi oi oi OI! 😜.

The whole thing was just more comfortable, better for both. Now I am in def repeat mode, whereas I was on the fence before. And yes as Elvis says like a fire I can just stare at her forever. Amazing.

[Steve 9696]

It used to be that if I bought a girl something in addition to the $ gift I would consider this part of payment and try to minimize it. But somewhere along the way, with girls I've met more than once I transitioned to thinking of her like a GF. That is the $$ cover the age / looks gap but after that she's your GF and I would surely buy shit for my GF all the time.

So like with Smoke Show we did some shopping. She's not high maintenance. Bought a few things at H&M. And some flip flops. A hat. Just stuff here and there. I guess it added up to about $300 and I could t care less. It just feels natural and proper and she was always grateful. Win all around. Def recommend you try thinking this way if you don't roll this way already. It just feels better. And honestly the illusion of BFGF is priceless.

Ps. Although I wasn’t angling for it the comfort level just grew. She gave me her insta. She did BLS tonight without any asking. Just starts to feel more natural. But alas it must end. For now…

[LshRoomer]

This report might be a bit long, as I gave a bit of detail regarding the scene in Lisboa. Without further ado.

My missions as of late have been mainly to Spain, but Portugal has been in my sights for some time, so I've gone twice to explore.

My process is simple - Cover the bases (entire process in itself), buy the tix, reactivate my SA account, and start the search. The search is the most interesting part, as you never know which girl will bite, and further, which one will end up sitting across from you many moons from then, with a drink in her hand while you imagine what her sexual energy is like, in between smiles and amiable conversation. Haha.

The search began in Lisbon, as that was going to be my first stop before going to Madrid. I immediately found that the portuguese girls have a bit of a different approach to SA, and it's more straightforward than other places where I've used SA. There are the "immediate meet" girls, the "after 2 days" girls, and the "not respond for a week" girls (that then want to accelerate the process. LOL). There are many paid date girls, some escorts, and fewer true SBs. I differentiate paid dates from escorts in that paid date girls seem to have normal lives (jobs, school, etc), and don't negotiate time limits or services; in my experience they usually suggest meeting after work, but would happily hang out longer on a Friday or Saturday. I would actually characterize them as SBs that get right to the point.

A few bites in SA morphed into chatting on Telegram / Whatsapp. About 3 reliable girls were pulled out of the pool. I only had one day, so I narrowed it down to 2 girls and put out feelers for the night. The comms were slower than I'the like, so I figured I'the have primary and backup. It was approaching 9 or 10 and the comms were coming in asking where to meet. Primary girl said she was down and asked where I wanted to meet. I told her the place and she went silent for about 2 hours (she fell asleep, we chatted later, but it was too late, tried to make it up to me, but I was out of town by then). In the meantime, I kept the stream alive with backup and she mentioned that she was ready to meet. By this time, I'm at a restaurant, it's about 11 and the food is amazing. My edible is taking effect and I'm chatting with both girls simultaneously. I confused backup with primary and agreed to meet. When I referenced my tracking doc (you will need one if you talk to a lot of chicks and only see numbers in your phone LOL), I realize that I just told backup to meet me, and that it was primary apologizing (work the next day).

During our texting, backup wrote that she is an escort and that she needs me to pay 200 euro as soon as we meet. This was an immediate turn off. Escorts posing as SA girls are not my cup of tea. My response wasn't harsh, but it was direct. It stated simply that she must not understand how this works; the exchange is after, never before and if clocks or timing is involved, then I'm not the right person for you. Now I'm in escort mode. So, tell me if you kiss and do CIF. I figured that was the end of that story. Oh well, grab a few more drinks and either call it a night or call a proper escort. She wrote back apologizing and said she would be happy to meet and yes, kisses of course, and she asked what CIF was. I sent her the google page for it and she laughed and said yes we can try. LOL. LOL. . I almost spit out my beer at the bar when I read that.

Looking at her pics, I wasn't sure what to make of her. In some pics, she looked old, but in others young and attractive. Which one was going to show up? LOL. She paid for her uber and asked if I could reimburse her for the Uber; I agreed. The place where I was having a beer was closing so I decided to take a walk in the neighborhood and find another bar. Found one and she met me there. When she walked up, I beheld a thin, 5'6" brazilian (thought she was portuguese) with blonde highlights and easily a 7 or 8 by my standards. She greeted with smiles, a hug, a kiss on the cheek, and prolonged touching after the hug. We had a drink or two and then started our mission to find something to do. At about midnight on Sunday, many places were closed in this part of the city, so we ubered to my place.

She got comfortable as soon as we walked in. As we shared beer and champagne, easily an hour or two breezed by. By this time, she disclosed that she has 3 jobs (nail salon, maid, and what she calls an escort), has a kid, is from Sao Paulo, and her real name (unsolicited). Very surprised how much info she volunteered. Again, very unescortlike. Vibes were good and strong and sex appeal was oozing out of her.

We shared a prolonged stare after a laugh, which caused me to walk over to her, mount her (of course not putting all my weight on her), and start kissing. The first thing she did was grab me in a bear hug and thrust her torso into mine, like she wanted full body contact. While grabbing a handful of hair, I pulled her head back to kiss her neck and this seemed to really turn her on. She started biting my lip and squeezing her nails into me almost immediately. Pulling her up to her feet by her hair while kissing her, she followed as if we had choreographed this sequence. LOL. We did the backward walk to the bedroom where the makeout session continued. She disrobed during the process. Without prompting, she dropped to her knees for a BBBJ and it was actually quite nice. As I pulled her up to lay her on the bed, I was surprised at what a nice ass she had (during doggy later, the view was even better). Her clothes were loose so I didn't notice at first. I always DATY, if even for 5 sec, just to make sure there are no obvious red flags or telling odors. She was clean as a whistle and dripping wet. While going from kisses to tits, to DATY and back, she was getting more and more turned on; almost rolling over from her back to her stomach as I played with her clit. At one point, she grabbed both my wrists to pull me in, and angled her hips upward to line things up, which caused me to change my angle to avoid penetration. Hahaha It seemed her thought was penetration, while mine was shield and armor hahaha. She actually pouted when I reached for the cover and had a disappointed face. Started in mish and switched a few positions and she was quite audible. I have only banged 3 brazilians but I have noticed that each one I've banged has been quite sensitive and vocal with regard to their pleasure. Just my experience. We stopped for a few and just kissed. She then got on top and rode me like I haven't seen before. She obviously knew what angle she liked because it was more of a slow to fast grind than an up and down, or back and forth motion. She obviously found exactly what works for her. LOL. After she got tired, I rolled her over and finished in modified mish (more like her on her side so I could see and touch that nice ass), followed by more making out. This was one of the more passionate sessions I've had. Definitely worthy of a repeat!

I gave her 200 plus 40 for the Uber (uber was actually about 22 euro). She left around 430 with kisses at the door. I'm not saying that she's not an escort. But most escorts don't give personal info, attempt unprotected sex without previous discussion, or start an outing without a defined time limit. I'll hit her up next time I'm in town, if she is still around.

Over the next few days, there were about 10-20 new messages / texts / telegrams from other Lisbon girls chomping at the bit. If I had more time, I would definitely have more reports. LOL.

Not sure when I'll be in Europe again. My next mission is to explore more of Asia. I literally just read Steve's report on Bangkok and it is perfectly timed, as I just started planning a trip to Singapore / Malaysia / Thailand. Having thoughts of my ex korean GF, I've been having more of a taste for asian lately (of course I still love the slim euro girls. OMG. Do I hahah) Any suggestions are appreciated as always.

02.

[XViking]

But most escorts... attempt unprotected sex without previous discussion...I contacted dozens of escorts looking for unprotected sex and proposing 2000 $ or euro per day. All invariably declined and made clear that no money can buy unprotected sex. The West is totally condomized, not only escorts. Always had to go out of the West to find natural sex.

[Steve 9696]

I contacted dozens of escorts looking for unprotected sex and proposing 2000 $ or euro per day. All invariably declined and made clear that no money can buy unprotected sex. The West is totally condomized, not only escorts. Always had to go out of the West to find natural sex.He said "most escorts don't attempt unprotected sex". Obviously. That's why he was surprised she did — thus bolstering the case that she's not really an escort per se.

To be clear the most likely place to find it in the US is on seeking. I’ve had a least ten girls go for it without a word of discussion. These are non pros that are typically early twenties.

[Clone8884]

I just got back from a 6 week trip through 9 European countries. I had SA premium but I struck out for the most part. The issue was I try to find actual girls and not escorts which takes time and dedication. I was hoping city to city every 4 or 5 days so I wasn't able to build much chemistry with girls. I also wasn't going to pay prices above my budget.

London I tried meeting up with a few girls. I had one who wasn't an escort who I wanted to see but she got cold feet and then blocked me after I left London. I also was talking to a few others but they had escort vibes so I wasn't interested in paying much for them.

Next time I used SA was in Berlin. I met this girl from Poland and went out to get food with her. She was cool but we didn't have chemistry and actually split before sex. I will admit I lowballed her pretty hard but I told her my price before she came so she knew. She tried guilt tripping me into paying more, telling me other guys pay for 500 euro. I had been having sex with escorts and girls I met at the club so I was only offering her 200. After food she left, I didn't pay her anything and we didn't fuck. She was a mid tier girl looks wise.

Istanbul was the only city I met a girl. We had been barely texting each other, I was super busy with my travels that I did not dedicate time to gaming her or other SA girls. She ended up messaging me randomly on my 2nd to last day in Istanbul. I happened to be nearby her apartment in Kadikoy so we started to discuss payment. She wanted 350 but I got her down to 200 for a few hours. I told her I will give her 300 if she stays the night with me but she doesn't want to. I pushed for no condom but she said no. At this point I had been traveling for 3-4 weeks and had struck out on seeking so I just decided to meet her. I went to her place and she played some techno while we got to knew each other. Eventually we fucked on her shitty little twin size bed. We hung out a bit longer and then fucked again. She was cool but it just wasn't as nice of an experience when you spend the whole night together exploring the city.

Seeking is great but you have to dedicate time to find good girls. My trip to CDMX gave me way better seeking results and also cheaper prices with baresex!

[Steve 9696]

I just got back from a 6 week trip through 9 European countries. I had SA premium but I struck out for the most part. The issue was I try to find actual girls and not escorts which takes time and dedication. I was hoping city to city every 4 or 5 days so I wasn't able to build much chemistry with girls. I also wasn't going to pay prices above my budget.

London I tried meeting up with a few girls. I had one who wasn't an escort who I wanted to see but she got cold feet and then blocked me after I left London. I also was talking to a few others but they had escort vibes so I wasn't interested in paying much for them.

Next time I used SA was in Berlin. I met this girl from Poland and went out to get food with her. She was cool but we didn't have chemistry and actually split before sex. I will admit I lowballed her pretty hard but I told her my price before she came so she knew. She tried guilt tripping me into paying more, telling me other guys pay for 500 euro. I had been having sex with escorts and girls I met at the club so I was only offering her 200. After food she left, I didn't pay her anything and we didn't fuck. She was a mid tier girl looks wise.

Istanbul was the only city I met a girl. We had been barely texting each other, I was super busy with my travels that I did not dedicate time to gaming her or other SA girls. She ended up messaging me randomly on my 2nd to last day in Istanbul. I happened to be nearby her apartment in Kadikoy so we started to discuss payment. She wanted 350 but I got her down to 200 for a few hours. I told her I will give her 300 if she stays the night with me but she doesn't want to. I pushed for no condom but she said no. At this point I had been traveling for 3-4 weeks and had struck out on seeking so I just decided to meet her. I went to her place and she played some techno while we got to knew each other. Eventually we fucked on her shitty little twin size bed. We hung out a bit longer and then fucked again. She was cool but it just wasn't as nice of an experience when you spend the whole night together exploring the city.

Seeking is great but you have to dedicate time to find good girls. My trip to CDMX gave me way better seeking results and also cheaper prices with baresex!Glad to see you were persistent but I think budget is the issue. Not going to find too many hotties going to take 200 in the western euro countries. Doing good if you get them at 300 IMO. 200 doesn't get you far.

[MaxLee88]

It used to be that if I bought a girl something in addition to the $ gift I would consider this part of payment and try to minimize it. But somewhere along the way, with girls I've met more than once I transitioned to thinking of her like a GF. That is the $$ cover the age / looks gap but after that she's your GF and I would surely buy shit for my GF all the time.

So like with Smoke Show we did some shopping. She's not high maintenance. Bought a few things at H&M. And some flip flops. A hat. Just stuff here and there. I guess it added up to about $300 and I could t care less. It just feels natural and proper and she was always grateful. Win all around. Def recommend you try thinking this way if you don't roll this way already. It just feels better. And honestly the illusion of BFGF is priceless.

Ps. Although I wasnt angling for it the comfort level just grew. She gave me her insta. She did BLS tonight without any asking. Just starts to feel more natural. But alas it must end. For nowI agree, going shopping with a girl who actually is treating you well, holding hands, kisses, hugs, girlfriendy behavior, taking her shopping is well worth the extra $100-200 you may spend on her. Everyone is happy and that leads to better feelings and experience for both.

[Gfefan]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.

[ManWithMotive]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.Wow, you had a fabulous time, great report. I lost count while reading through report no. Of rounds you, I am sure you must have felt satisfied and spent 😉.

[Neurosynth]

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Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.And what kind of gift was given for this rather full day?

[VikPunter]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.Nice sharing Gfefan. I enjoyed reading it so appreciate your effort both on SA and here to share. For info, which city in Europe was this? Are there specific countries / cities where SA is more popular?

[Steve 9696]

Nice sharing Gfefan. I enjoyed reading it so appreciate your effort both on SA and here to share. For info, which city in Europe was this? Are there specific countries / cities where SA is more popular?I've had good success in both London and Madrid. But Madrid totally rules if you like Latinas. Like say you browse a US city like Chicago. You sort thru dozens of fatties and ugly chicks to find one girl you might want to fuck. Now go to Madrid. Like nearly every girl in the list is fuckable! It's amazing. And of course where I found the legendary smoke show. 😜.

[Gfefan]

All expenses (food, wine, sauna etc. ,) plus 300 EUR left in her purse. That's what was discussed and obliged.

Because she is a keeper, I also gave her a perfume / body lotion pack I bought duty free. I did this whlle dropping her at her apartment.

Let's all work together to avoid inflation, please, if you know what I mean. LOL.

I know this could get debatable but in my eyes, she is a 8+. 5'10", super fit, represents her country in sports, brunette with soulful eyes. BJ was out of the world. Sports person but is submissive on bed. She said she likes it that way. Having a man tell her what he wants and she wants to please.

I had an Honest conversation with her and told her she could demand more. She told me that "It is more important how you treat me. Respect and genuine connection than the money you give me".

Gem of a find especially after being jaded in commercial crass US. I am going to keep her. Natural conversation pointed to she recovering from a sports injury to her knees. I have her apartment address on my GPS. Wil be sending something that would help her.


And what kind of gift was given for this rather full day?

[Gfefan]

Never dipped toe in Madrid but sounds right.

Barcelona is where I found my all time favorite. And, yes, percentage fuckable was higher. I also had one in Tarragona that was amazing. She looked like Alexis Crystal (who I rate 9). Great fuck and high energy but blowjob was bland. For whatever reason, she wouldn't make eye contact (very important for me) and go really fast at it as if the only goal is to cum quick. I would rather take it slow and easy. So, never met her again.


I've had good success in both London and Madrid. But Madrid totally rules if you like Latinas. Like say you browse a US city like Chicago. You sort thru dozens of fatties and ugly chicks to find one girl you might want to fuck. Now go to Madrid. Like nearly every girl in the list is fuckable! It's amazing. And of course where I found the legendary smoke show. 😜.

[Intelligencium]

Hi all,

I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life! I am 40, pretended to be single on seeking and did a lot of reach outs on the app for almost 2 months before going there.

I learned a lot from this forum, so would like to contribute back with my experience. I will start with a summary today and then add more details over the next few days. Please ask me anything specific that you are interested to know more about.

Some stats first:

- Total women fucked: 13.

- Nationalities fucked: 10.

- Ages fucked: 20-38.

- 2 professionals (1 in Tokyo's soapland, 1 in FKK Sharks at Frankfurt).

- 12 women from seeking, fucked 11 of them. 4 in Madrid, 7/8 in Barcelona.

- Repeat dates with 3 of them. Went on a trip with 1 of these 3. Spent multiple days together with 1 in Barcelona.

- Had 2 threesomes (first threesome in my life).

- PPM ranged from 250-500 Euros. Food / drinks 100 Euros per date.

- Overall spent 8-9 k USD.

My plan / strategy with all these seeking dates was always the same: I wasn't interested in them coming directly to the hotel room. I told them specifically that I want to go out and explore the city's restaurants / bars (since I am visiting) and go back to my room AFTER some drinking + getting to know each other.

I also had to say No to many other prospective girls who I was chatting with for a while because I just didn't have the time to meet them all.

Some Learnings:

- I am not into professionals. Those were the two worst fucks I had on this whole trip.

- Treat the seeking girls well and they will reciprocate. I was nice and a gentleman with them over chat, then in person and they were a lot of fun in bed.

- Repeats are usually more fun. The girl becomes comfortable with you and opens up more in the repeat encounters.

- Ask for a video chat before meeting. At least 3 of the 12 women I met looked very different than their pics, mostly because they had put on a lot of weight since the pic, or the angle of the pic had hidden the issues. I cancelled one date when the girl refused to come on video chat.

- In Barcelona, many of these girls live 30-40 minutes away from the city. So planning is important and be prepared for some cancelled dates because the girl may decide not to come (or make excuses).

I am not sure when I will get a chance to do something like this again *sigh*. But I am so glad I did it. Best 20 days of my life! And the cities are amazing too.

[LshRoomer]

Never dipped toe in Madrid but sounds right.

Barcelona is where I found my all time favorite. And, yes, percentage fuckable was higher. I also had one in Tarragona that was amazing. She looked like Alexis Crystal (who I rate 9). Great fuck and high energy but blowjob was bland. For whatever reason, she wouldn't make eye contact (very important for me) and go really fast at it as if the only goal is to cum quick. I would rather take it slow and easy. So, never met her again.Madrid is awesome. I haven't been to Barcelona but I have spend a lot of time recently in Madrid. I had an sb / GF there so I wasn't able to set up much time with the local SBs (maybe 1-2 during the course of a week) due to time commitments. So, in turn I used the local escort scene for outcall and it does not disappoint. Even when in the subways or at a local bar, you can see the talent is literally all around you. I prefer European Spanish over latinas, but whatever your preference is, there's more than enough in SA to easily suit the taste of the pickiest monger.

The feeling of familiarity has come upon me with Madrid; my trips started to be exclusive to Madrid and maybe one other city for a day or so, in order to bang my sb / GF. It started to feel like I was wasting my monger / culture trips, so at this point, the goal is more exploration and Barcelona is definitely on the list.

02.

[Clone8884]

Glad to see you were persistent but I think budget is the issue. Not going to find too many hotties going to take 200 in the western euro countries. Doing good if you get them at 300 IMO. 200 doesn't get you far.Yes I know my budget is low and I am fine with it. I had been sleeping with women at hostels so seeking was kind of on the back burner. I have upped my game big IRL the last few years and have been paying for it less and less.

However I plan on visiting Colombia soon and want to find some nice girls, either on seeking, dating apps or IRL.

[Elvis 2008]

Hi all,

I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life! I am 40, pretended to be single on seeking and did a lot of reach outs on the app for almost 2 months before going there.

I learned a lot from this forum, so would like to contribute back with my experience. I will start with a summary today and then add more details over the next few days. Please ask me anything specific that you are interested to know more about.

Some stats first:

- Total women fucked: 13.

- Nationalities fucked: 10.

- Ages fucked: 20-38.



Some Learnings:

- I am not into professionals. Those were the two worst fucks I had on this whole trip.

- Treat the seeking girls well and they will reciprocate. I was nice and a gentleman with them over chat, then in person and they were a lot of fun in bed.

- Repeats are usually more fun. The girl becomes comfortable with you and opens up more in the repeat encounters.

- Ask for a video chat before meeting. At least 3 of the 12 women I met looked very different than their pics, mostly because they had put on a lot of weight since the pic, or the angle of the pic had hidden the issues. I cancelled one date when the girl refused to come on video chat.

I am not sure when I will get a chance to do something like this again *sigh*. But I am so glad I did it. Best 20 days of my life! And the cities are amazing too.Great report! I keep telling guys this is the way to have the best sex of your life but they scoff at my "knowing" seeking sex is better than typical P4 P sex when everyone who goes that route says it is. They just have the sour grapes because they do not want to put up the $80 to $100 a month fee. But how much does a plane ticket and lodging in Spain cost? What is $100 in comparison?

And if you ever do become single, seeking gets even better. The women will put even more energy into pleasing you.

[Steve 9696]

Yes I know my budget is low and I am fine with it. I had been sleeping with women at hostels so seeking was kind of on the back burner. I have upped my game big IRL the last few years and have been paying for it less and less.

However I plan on visiting Colombia soon and want to find some nice girls, either on seeking, dating apps or IRL.You will be fine in Colombia. You can fuck hotties for 60-70 $ US. No problem.

[Jbob084]

Hi all,

I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life! I am 40, pretended to be single on seeking and did a lot of reach outs on the app for almost 2 months before going there.

I learned a lot from this forum, so would like to contribute back with my experience. I will start with a summary today and then add more details over the next few days. Please ask me anything specific that you are interested to know more about.

Some stats first:

- Total women fucked: 13.

- Nationalities fucked: 10.

- Ages fucked: 20-38.

- 2 professionals (1 in Tokyo's soapland, 1 in FKK Sharks at Frankfurt).

- 12 women from seeking, fucked 11 of them. 4 in Madrid, 7/8 in Barcelona.

- Repeat dates with 3 of them. Went on a trip with 1 of these 3. Spent multiple days together with 1 in Barcelona.

- Had 2 threesomes (first threesome in my life).

- PPM ranged from 250-500 Euros. Food / drinks 100 Euros per date.

- Overall spent 8-9 k USD.

My plan / strategy with all these seeking dates was always the same: I wasn't interested in them coming directly to the hotel room. I told them specifically that I want to go out and explore the city's restaurants / bars (since I am visiting) and go back to my room AFTER some drinking + getting to know each other.

I also had to say No to many other prospective girls who I was chatting with for a while because I just didn't have the time to meet them all.

Some Learnings:

- I am not into professionals. Those were the two worst fucks I had on this whole trip.

- Treat the seeking girls well and they will reciprocate. I was nice and a gentleman with them over chat, then in person and they were a lot of fun in bed.

- Repeats are usually more fun. The girl becomes comfortable with you and opens up more in the repeat encounters.

- Ask for a video chat before meeting. At least 3 of the 12 women I met looked very different than their pics, mostly because they had put on a lot of weight since the pic, or the angle of the pic had hidden the issues. I cancelled one date when the girl refused to come on video chat.

- In Barcelona, many of these girls live 30-40 minutes away from the city. So planning is important and be prepared for some cancelled dates because the girl may decide not to come (or make excuses).

I am not sure when I will get a chance to do something like this again *sigh*. But I am so glad I did it. Best 20 days of my life! And the cities are amazing too.Any tips for opening messages and how to approach it. Do you directly say let's grab dinner / drinks to get to know each other and then take it further? Intel and tips would be greatly appreciated.

Currently in Madrid and not getting that much success.

[Intelligencium]

Any tips for opening messages and how to approach it. Do you directly say let's grab dinner / drinks to get to know each other and then take it further? Intel and tips would be greatly appreciated.

Currently in Madrid and not getting that much success.Of the 4 I met in Madrid, I was in touch with 2 of them for a while. With them, it was easy and just a matter of finding a good day / time. For the other 2, I found them by messaging the day of meet. I must have messaged 30-40 girls I was there (sort by who is online or most recently online) and while 5-6 replied, these two replied the fastest, were engaged and, so, got my business.

You will get better luck on Fridays and Saturdays since most of these girls work Mon-Fri. My opening lines were nothing special. Just "Hello, nice to meet you. I am in Madrid for a couple of days and would love to meet someone local " or sometimes when I was desperate for a date "Hey, are you interested in meeting tonight"?

Apologies in going there, but have you gotten successful before? I wonder if there's something you may need to add to your profile to make them reply back?

[Intelligencium]

Do you directly say let's grab dinner / drinks to get to know each other and then take it further? My ideal setup is described in my profile:

1. Chat on SA.

2. Move to telegram / whatsapp.

3. Meet for dinner or drinks and take it from there.

[GoingDumb]

So, the first girl fell sick and a great built up chemistry went down the drain. But, we are in touch. Next tins I am in Europe, I am pretty sure this one will be on my bed.

The next one is a sports girl. Super fit, super sexy. Since I am into sports, we got along great. Few days before I got into town, I asked her to book a restaurant of her choice and she didn't go too fancy. A normal one with a chic vibe. Indications of a keeper.

I booked a hotel with a spa. We grab dinner, we jibe well. Enough to give me confidence to skip the bar and asked herdirectly if she wanted to get back to my place. She goes "would love to. Can't wait. I am already ready, if you know what I mean" and winked. Game on.

Reached hotel, had a rose and things started heating up. Full on make out.

I suggested we try something naughty aka go to the spa (pretty late in the day). She undressed right in front of me, got into nothing but a towel and says "let's go". I follow suit. We went to shower together and hit the sauna.

Pretty hot and we start sweating. I get turned on by sweaty bodies.

We start playing with each other. I'm fully erect, she is wet. Stroking my dick, she goes "Why don't you fuck me right here? She gets on my lap, kisses me, makes my dick rub her pussy and soon, takes me all the way in. We go at it for who knows how long, with her books in my mouth and ass in my hands.

Then, we switched to her standing against the Sauna door and I enter from behind. Being into sports, she takes it like a champ. I finish on her ass. We wipe and lay there for a while.

Then, returned to room. More rose and this time we both were naked. Seated on the same love seat. She starts playing with junior, then proceeds to give the best BBBJ I have received. Lots of BLS and look into my eyes while working the shaft. Then, she rides me reverse cow girl while I keep sipping wine. Stops, asks me to feed her some wine. Then, goes back to work.

At some point, I lift her up, toss her in bed, and started fucking her like no tomorrow. Pretty hard fuck I must say and finish inside her. She said she loves the warmth of it.

More rose, more fuck, more positions including the work table in the hotel. This time she says she wants to swallow. And asks me to not finish soon. I obliged alerting her when I am close. Diligently gets on knees, looks at my eyes, and starts sucking. I finished in a few minutes, feeling her throat. Swallowed it all like a champ. Showered, drank more and slept.

5 am junior has morning wood. I climbed on her, she wakes up slowly, feels my dick and says "please put it inside. Right now! Session done and we go back to sleep.

Woke up at 9, fucked again. Then, went for a sumptuous breakfast. Came back, took a nap, fucked again at 2 pm. Eventually, dropped her off at her flat at 4 pm. She called me upstairs for a coffee. Introduced me to her friend who is equally hot and dropped a hint of potential threesome.

Fabulous trip. Europe rocks.As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?

[Steve 9696]

Any tips for opening messages and how to approach it. Do you directly say let's grab dinner / drinks to get to know each other and then take it further? Intel and tips would be greatly appreciated.

Currently in Madrid and not getting that much success.As the other poster says you usually want to start a bit in advance and find a girl who will really engage in some banter. Pros don't have time or patience for this so it kinda weeds them out. About two weeks early is best but I've had success starting 2-3 months before beleive it or not.

But since you are there, my go to line is "I'm going out to a nice dinner and drinks tonight. Join me. " Has not failed me yet! I've actually been super surprised at the success rate.

[Steve 9696]

I happened across the most amazing post from 2017 about dating a Colombian girl and how it's completely different from western girls. This is an amazing treatise on the subject and lots of good advise in general if you want more "real world" dates. Worth a read by any girl enthusiast. It's about halfway down this page.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3870-Dating-Colombianas&p=1983593#post1983593.

[Gfefan]

No specific advice. I don't (yet) use any meds. Recently, I asked the seniors about Cialis and looks like there are side effects. Given I am in the US, I would need prescription. Not worth the hassle.

I just follow healthy habits. Quit smoking (was occasional smoker anyway) 10 years ago, eat healthy (no fries, no meat, no high fat food), exercise regularly and intensely (I am a sportsman, anyway), no soda (yes, I have had at most 5 coke cans in last 20 years), minimal alcohol (drinks when with girls).

I guess tht dose the trick but, frankly speaking, I simply thank the stars. Doing above doesn't mean good performance. Just lucky bastard, I guess.

Although, I'm curious about Cialis. Want to try and see what more it does to me. Will try and post someday.


As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?

[Gfefan]

Speaking of side effects of Cialis and others, I am reminded of side effects of SA. In a funny way. Or, is it even funny?

I recently returned after a fabulous SA experience. Wife took me to an event. I spotted a few chicks, checked them out and chuckled "hmm. I would totally fuck this one".

There was this one particular girl, seemingly on a date with another guy, who caught my attention. I couldn't take my eyes off her. Tall, brunette, athletic. Perhaps, 26/28 years. To make matters worse, she was wearing a skirt exposing her long legs. And my brain was running wild.

If only this chick was on SA, I could meet her, let her skirt up and other naught thoughts.

Looks like SA has started to affect my regular life.

Kinda felt bad later that I was not only checking out but also entertaining naughty thoughts with a girl. Who in that day was clearly with someone else. And, my wife was with me.

Not sure what to make out of this. Need to reflect on this and think over.

[Intelligencium]

side effects of SAFunny you said this. I was thinking exactly the same after my recent trip (and during my trip). Whenever I saw a hot girl in Europe and then here back in States, I would wonder if I can find her on SA, what would be her backstory, how I would love to take her on a date and then back to my room.

I wouldn't read too much into it though, nothing to reflect IMO. This is what SA does, it normalizes us having sex with beautiful normal girls.

[Intelligencium]

As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?I used to be a one shot guy too. But I had tremendous stamina in my recent sugar trip. At least for me, it looked like just having sex more frequently gives me more stamina.

[Steve 9696]

No specific advice. I don't (yet) use any meds. Recently, I asked the seniors about Cialis and looks like there are side effects. Given I am in the US, I would need prescription. Not worth the hassle.

I just follow healthy habits. Quit smoking (was occasional smoker anyway) 10 years ago, eat healthy (no fries, no meat, no high fat food), exercise regularly and intensely (I am a sportsman, anyway), no soda (yes, I have had at most 5 coke cans in last 20 years), minimal alcohol (drinks when with girls).

I guess tht dose the trick but, frankly speaking, I simply thank the stars. Doing above doesn't mean good performance. Just lucky bastard, I guess.

Although, I'm curious about Cialis. Want to try and see what more it does to me. Will try and post someday.Yes you need a prescription but super easy to get online. Go to your local Walmart or pharmacy that has a blood pressure device (or buy one they are not expensive) and get your blood pressure. Then do an online consult. I use K Health and like them. You will have a prescription in about 15 minutes and just a few days for it to arrive at your door. It's not even expensive. Only side effect for me is minor flushing and red eyes. I use Lumify for the red eye and it kills it in 2 minutes. Could t be happier with Cialis. Always ready but never get hard for no reason. Only when needed. And hugely helpfu if going two or more rounds.

[Steve 9696]

Funny you said this. I was thinking exactly the same after my recent trip (and during my trip). Whenever I saw a hot girl in Europe and then here back in States, I would wonder if I can find her on SA, what would be her backstory, how I would love to take her on a date and then back to my room.

I wouldn't read too much into it though, nothing to reflect IMO. This is what SA does, it normalizes us having sex with beautiful normal girls.I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!

[GoingDumb]

No specific advice. I don't (yet) use any meds. Recently, I asked the seniors about Cialis and looks like there are side effects. Given I am in the US, I would need prescription. Not worth the hassle.

I just follow healthy habits. Quit smoking (was occasional smoker anyway) 10 years ago, eat healthy (no fries, no meat, no high fat food), exercise regularly and intensely (I am a sportsman, anyway), no soda (yes, I have had at most 5 coke cans in last 20 years), minimal alcohol (drinks when with girls).

I guess tht dose the trick but, frankly speaking, I simply thank the stars. Doing above doesn't mean good performance. Just lucky bastard, I guess.

Although, I'm curious about Cialis. Want to try and see what more it does to me. Will try and post someday.That's pretty clean living hah. I eat a burger a few times a month, a soda maybe a little more. Try to exercise about 3 times a week. It probably helps you were bb and CIP with that girl too. I've only met one that was ok with that. If you don't mind sharing what's your age range? Also where in europe was your experience?

[GoingDumb]

I happened across the most amazing post from 2017 about dating a Colombian girl and how it's completely different from western girls. This is an amazing treatise on the subject and lots of good advise in general if you want more "real world" dates. Worth a read by any girl enthusiast. It's about halfway down this page.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3870-Dating-Colombianas&p=1983593#post1983593.Good share. Any idea if non white americans get as much interest in S America?

[Steve 9696]

Good share. Any idea if non white americans get as much interest in S America?Unfortunately no. My firsthand knowledge is limited to doing 5 Facebook girls in Medellin. It prob also depends on what kind of non-white you are. Asians (like Japanese, Chinese, Korean) are considered interesting and perhaps quite unique tho I think the Nordic grin go type like Routard probably most valued. I would guess that once they know u are American you would be put in the top class system regardless.

But surely someone in that forum knows best.

[Elvis 2008]

Good share. Any idea if non white americans get as much interest in S America?A friend of mine, let's call him Mike, came and stayed with me at my place in Cartagena. My gal made me the breakfast she always done and made some for him too: fresh cut fruit, oatmeal, and something like empanadas. I asked if his wife did something similar and he almost seized he laughed so hard and said, "I don't do this for myself."

My gal and I go out the next morning. She has a friend staying with us too, 31 and gorgeous. Let's call her Kelly. She is college educated and speaks 3 languages. Well, my future step daughter and Kelly step up and make Mike breakfast the next morning. We go out to eat for dinner and he is there talking to her smiling like a Cheshire cat. Mike is 64, dresses kind of dumpy, a tad overweight, but has a good personality and is very smart. Kellie is engaged but she lets it out that her American fianc only comes and sees her like every 6 months. I joke with my gal and say that I will do the same in the future and she almost starts crying.

Mike and I talk, and he is shocked. Kelly has let him know she is interested in him. She even blurts out at dinner, "But he is married", and I said, "yeah, but his wife is really sick. ", and Mike gave me the big shushing.

He and I talk later and he says, "I never thought I would have someone like her offer herself up to me. " he is like I was 20 years ago but he has stuck with his wife despite being miserable with her because he has really good kids. I shared with him this, "I get it. I felt like such a loser when I went out on my wife, but I later realized that I was miserable and seeing women was the only thing that made me happy. I was so ashamed of myself and it was painful when I first cheated, but ten or so years later, when I was caught, I refused to give up the other women. I told my ex that those women make me happy and you do not. " Did she say that she was going to step up and try to quit making me miserable? LOL. Of course not. She wanted a divorce. How dare I want to be with people who want me happy.

Even if Mike stays married, I think he could have had the perfect SB setup with her.

I think Kelly would have gone for a black, Asian, or Latin friend of mine as long as they presented themselves as classy, intelligent, and had enough money to see her often. I just hope Mike comes around and takes up her on her offer.

[Elvis 2008]

I happened across the most amazing post from 2017 about dating a Colombian girl and how it's completely different from western girls. This is an amazing treatise on the subject and lots of good advise in general if you want more "real world" dates. Worth a read by any girl enthusiast. It's about halfway down this page.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3870-Dating-Colombianas&p=1983593#post1983593.Routard should write a book on Colombia, and I have read his posts again and again. It was different dating someone from seeking because we were in bed together a few hours after meeting. The hard part was why someone as hot as her was interested in me, and I later learned why. These lines stood out to me, "From 20 till 30 they are mainly focused on career and trying to get a step higher in the social stratto system. From 30 till 40 she will become obsessed in finding a husband and the father of her future children. I would therefore definitively not recommend this age unless you are looking also for the mother of your future children. I have no experience above 40".

Maybe it is just me but long term if a woman is attractive in her 30's, she is probably going to stay that way unlike an attractive woman in her 20's. Also, if she is a single mom like mine is, she may not be as interested in having kids. The problem with the 20 to 30 types is they are career focused and you may be getting in the way. I was dating someone 25 or so in school, and I felt like her being in school was an impediment. She had her friends giving her shit about seeing someone older. Once she graduated, she pursued me hard even after she knew I was seeing someone else. When she was working, I could see she wanted to work at most part time and have a family. I could just sense it.

And this is totally true. "Don't believe however that Colombianas are dreaming of a gringo to get the Green Card. Colombianas love their country and family, if she needs to move to another country for a man, it would be a great sacrifice instead".

Every woman I met had a friend or family member in the USA, and they heard everything, the good and bad, of the USA.

It is important to focus on the higher classes in Colombia. Guys looking at SBs or GFs in Colombia need to focus on the estrato 5 and 6 women, women in white collar jobs or studying for white collar jobs, and they are harder to meet.

When Dramafree bitches about the women of Colombia, I get it because it is true IMO of the lower classes. They are the fake uber materialistic types that brag about how hot they are and will rip you off blind in seconds. 84% of children born in Colombia are born to single moms and that IMO says a lot about both sexes.

[Gfefan]

Thanks.

I am 40. The girl had specifically asked me for confidentiality given she is a national sports star. So, I will just say one of the founding members of EU.

In any of those countries, there are good collection of girls with great attitude and great experience. Above all, I manage to find them at 300 EUR.


That's pretty clean living hah. I eat a burger a few times a month, a soda maybe a little more. Try to exercise about 3 times a week. It probably helps you were bb and CIP with that girl too. I've only met one that was ok with that. If you don't mind sharing what's your age range? Also where in europe was your experience?

[Intelligencium]

I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!My compilation so far:

- lawyer (s).

- pianist.

- model (s).

- beautician.

- fashion designer.

- waitress.

- air hostess.

- marketing manager.

I was particularly surprised about the lawyers. Apparently the middle of the pack lawyers in Europe don't make much money:

[Intelligencium]

I just came back from a Sugar Dating Tour (20 days) to Spain and it was the most fun I have ever had in my whole life! This is Part 2 of my "Dating Tour" story. Part 1 was here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

I am in my 40's, in a complicated relationship situation, and had a chance to do a solo Europe trip this summer. So I started looking into mongering options and found out about SA / seeking when going through Barcelona ISG forum. After reading some excellent reports (and tips) from Steve and Gfefan here, I decided to take the plunge and paid for seeking account approx 2 months before my trip.

I come from a fairly conservative society and did not get a chance to date many women since dating was not normal there. So my goal was clear: meet, date and fuck as many women as possible in this Europe trip and that's how I approached it. I spent hours (during and after work) on seeking, telegram and WhatsApp chatting with the women I could potentially meet there. The flirty chats added to the fun, to be honest. Made the girls also give me recommendations on where to stay etc. Did not talk about money, although we did talk about what a "sugar relationship" is, so that the nature of our meet was clear to them. At least two of them expressed interest in spending a lot of time with me. Although that was not what I was going for, I didn't discourage it and let it play out. One girl used to send me pics and ideas of places where we can go and random stuff from her daily life. It was cute and helpful since we hit it off immediately when we finally met and fucked thrice the first day.

Also made a spreadsheet, assigned hotness, connection and probability of meeting scores to rank the prospects.

Closer to the trip dates, I had a couple of video or audio calls with prospects to prove to them that I am real + serious and also find out if they are real. Also bought new clothes and learned a bit: about the culture, the language and the fashion. Tip: Even in the hottest of the heat, men don't wear flip-flops in Spain unless they are going to the beach.

Initially I was planning a whirlwind tour of Europe going to Spain, Italy, Germany, Prague and Amsterdam. But going through SA, I decided to start my trip in Spain and keep it flexible to either end up spending all the time there or fly to other places. The number of potentials in Spain is far greater than any other non-UK country in Europe. So stick with Spain.

Few other tid-bits:

- packed light so that I never had to check-in luggage. But had to get clothes washed once after 10 days or so.

- stayed in high-end / 5-star hotels and no-one ever bothered me about taking new girls every day to my room. Added benefit of impressing the girls with rooftop bars (most 5-star hotels would have them). The rooftops close at midnight though, which can be good or bad depending on your plan.

- I took a wad of Euros from US to Europe. In hindsight, it wasn't necessary since ATMs are everywhere and most of my cards had a limit of $500/ day (less than PPM in most cases) if you can stomach the ATM fees ($5-7 per transaction). Always elect to have conversion handled by your bank and not the ATM.

- always met the girls in the hotel lobby or just outside the hotel entrance since most hotels needed key card to operate the elevator.

[AmericanPi]

As a one shot guy I am so jealous reading this LOL. Any advice?This is me too. When I do a new SA girl (basically all since I rarely repeat) my usual schedule is.

- early dinner which I say I like to avoid crowds but really it's so I can maximize bone time.

- first bone by 9 pm.

- second bone which I'm still excited for by like 10,1030.

- wind down, sleep by 1130,12.

- wake them up for sex around 3. They usually don't love that. It's my mid night alcohol wood.

- wake up early, like 6-7 as I always do. Wake them up for sex.

- then they usually leave. I sometimes get a 5th in.

But this all comes at a cost. I can't go 1-2 hours like some of you blokes. My typical session after the first one is like 10 minutes max. The mid night ones can be like 5 min and I have to concentrate to get it to finish line. At that hour it's mostly about getting my moneys worth. There's a sick part of me that loves the fact a girl thinks I'm paying 600 dollars or euros to bang her once before we sleep, but that I'll actually be counting notches all night. There, I said it.

[Manizales911]

I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!I don't think it's always about money for these girls. A friend of mine owns a very large construction business, he's loaded. Both of his young HOT daughters work for him and they are paid quite well and he has bought them both homes and cars etc. ,they are not in need of money for certain. Last year I found one of the daughters on Seeking.

[The Cane]

I don't think it's always about money for these girls. A friend of mine owns a very large construction business, he's loaded. Both of his young HOT daughters work for him and they are paid quite well and he has bought them both homes and cars etc. ,they are not in need of money for certain. Last year I found one of the daughters on Seeking.Some do it for the same reason some guys do it. They're bored and seeking not just an arrangement but a little adventure as well.

[GoingDumb]

I had an eye opening experience recently in Europe. Normal set up and agree to meet for a drink. She asks if we can go to a rooftop bar instead so I suggest the hotel one. When we're at the bar chatting she starts asking about my experience on sa. Usually it's not a great sign and I was right. She tells me she's gone on multiple trips from sa, with guys she hadn't met before. Seems pretty risky to me but w / e. Back to the room and fuck. The sex was not that memorable compared to what happened later but she had a nice ass and doggy was fun. I knew I probably wasn't going to finish since I saw a wg earlier but it's fine. Later at a restaurant she drops a few more nuggets. Tells me she's done SA a few times in the states and complains the money there is a lot better than in Europe. Also says she's on an indy escort site and did both in the US with an sa guy's permission. I'm sure you can guess what I'm thinking here. I don't say anything until she mentions that he helped her out when a guy stiffed her. I ask her about it and she says no but her face tells me otherwise. We stop talking about seeking after that. Go back to the room, fool around more with some fingering but she stops me before sex and leaves. I'm a little surprised after this experience and it's one of the few times I feel bad after meeting a girl. My sense from the other girls I saw before in Europe were they'the walk away if they didn't like a guy but this girl is straight escorting and it sounded like she'the had more negative experiences than them.

Misc thoughts:

-Have you guys given up on sa in the states at this point? I haven't done it in almost a year and just got asked for ppm 7 which is tough lol

-Tried steve's tips and shaved my balls but didn't get much of a reaction from girls. It was pretty scary lol until I got the hang of it.

-Stumbled into a new position I'll call modified steve. Kneeling next to girl's head for bj and put a pillow under since she was a little low. But by pulling the pillow I could turn her head towards me and improved it. Her hands were behind her back so might have been harder for her to move too...

[TConor]

I love the fact that any girl around you could be on SA. Now that I am sensitized to it I am always wondering if that hot hostess or barmaid is on. Likely many are! At one point I compiled a list of occupations of girls I've been with:

College student waitress stripper customer service yoga instructor office manager receptionist care giver Med student maid law student chemist actress model admin.

They are all around you! And that's hot!But what is SA?

[Foolish]

But what is SA?It's the forum thread you are in. Seeking Arrangements or just Seeking. Sugar baby site.

F.

[Steve 9696]

But what is SA?You know. The point of this forum. Www.seeking.com.

[Steve 9696]

I had an eye opening experience recently in Europe. Normal set up and agree to meet for a drink. She asks if we can go to a rooftop bar instead so I suggest the hotel one. When we're at the bar chatting she starts asking about my experience on sa. Usually it's not a great sign and I was right. She tells me she's gone on multiple trips from sa, with guys she hadn't met before. Seems pretty risky to me but w / e. Back to the room and fuck. The sex was not that memorable compared to what happened later but she had a nice ass and doggy was fun. I knew I probably wasn't going to finish since I saw a wg earlier but it's fine. Later at a restaurant she drops a few more nuggets. Tells me she's done SA a few times in the states and complains the money there is a lot better than in Europe. Also says she's on an indy escort site and did both in the US with an sa guy's permission. I'm sure you can guess what I'm thinking here. I don't say anything until she mentions that he helped her out when a guy stiffed her. I ask her about it and she says no but her face tells me otherwise. We stop talking about seeking after that. Go back to the room, fool around more with some fingering but she stops me before sex and leaves. I'm a little surprised after this experience and it's one of the few times I feel bad after meeting a girl. My sense from the other girls I saw before in Europe were they'the walk away if they didn't like a guy but this girl is straight escorting and it sounded like she'the had more negative experiences than them.

Misc thoughts:

-Have you guys given up on sa in the states at this point? I haven't done it in almost a year and just got asked for ppm 7 which is tough lol

-Tried steve's tips and shaved my balls but didn't get much of a reaction from girls. It was pretty scary lol until I got the hang of it.

-Stumbled into a new position I'll call modified steve. Kneeling next to girl's head for bj and put a pillow under since she was a little low. But by pulling the pillow I could turn her head towards me and improved it. Her hands were behind her back so might have been harder for her to move too...Def don't give up on SA in states. Yes it's harder. I have a good friend who I was coaching on SA but now he's the master. Aside from his traveling adventures he has score md two bareback hotties in his US city. I'the say a seven and a 8 maybe. Both are passionate and multiple pops. Great stuff. It's out there!

Ps Yea the pillow seems a good idea.

[SeekingHead]

But what is SA?It's the main sugar baby sight in the US & Around the world.

I have done good lately with sugar daddy meets as well, been back in the states 2 weeks & have hit 4 women between $250-350 off the site.

What is pricing like in Europe?, I'm very seriously thinking about retiring in Southern Spain & will want to have 1 main SB who I see a few times a month.

[Mono Sin Luz]

I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA there.

I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks. If I'm able to dril 10% of them I'll be set for life, LOL.

I'm not looking for pros, and I have had really cool SBs in the past in there places, but that was before the pandemic, so it's been a while.

The question I have is, what's a reasonable amount $ to offer in Medellíand for a 20 yo hottie?

I have been reading here of folks with ranges from 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just today quoted $500 by a 25 yo in TX.

So for Medellin, would $100 be good? $150? Any recent experience, please share.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 3 of my "Dating Tour" story.

Part 1 here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652 .

Part 2 here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638 .

My flight from US landed in Frankfurt and I decided to stay 1 night there to experience a FKK sauna club for the first time. As I said in Part 1, it was OK. It can be cheaper than SA if your goal is to fuck multiple girls in a few hours, but there is no "girlfriend experience" and I hate the upselling.

After Frankfurt, I decided to fly to Madrid the next day. My spreadsheet of potentials had 80% girls from Barcelona, but there were two hotties (think 9 or 10) that showed a lot of interest in me, so I decided to book a 3 night stay combining SA fun + tourism.

Day 1

Before reaching Madrid, I messaged all the Madrid potentials. The girl at the top of my list finally discussed money once I landed in Madrid. I knew she would be expensive, but I started the negotiation with a reasonable starting point of 300 Euros. Interestingly the next message I get from her is:

"Sorry dear, I don't think this is going to work out. I really enjoyed talking to you. Hope you meet some lovely girls here in Madrid. The city is full of them! Kisses".

I am in a bit of shock, but I prod her to tell me why. Apparently she only does long term sugar relationships, but was fine with a short term / PPM for me, but her rate is 1200 Euros per date. Shocked again, I curse the Gods and say bye to her. She was kind enough to send me a long list of "must visit" bars, pubs and restaurants, which I utilized in my later encounters. 10 minutes later I get a message from my #2 girl there. She is excited that I am finally here, but she is going abroad tomorrow for a month! At this point, I start to get worried if I made a huge mistake coming here and pre-paying for 3 nights hotel. Decided that in the worst case, I will do touristy things in the day and go to Vive in the night.

Somehow my #2 girl (let's call her Rachael) and I figure out a plan to meet. She will come to my hotel, meet me at the rooftop bar at 10 pm and we'll go from there. I told her my price (300) and she agreed. Yay, my first ever SA date. Nervous as hell, I get ready. Shave, take shower, wash every part of my body multiple times, put on the best clothes and meet her at 10 pm in the hotel lobby. She is stunning. Same as her pics, but cuter. Having never dated anyone of her caliber, I start to get worried again, but she does the standard spanish greeting (kisses on both cheeks) and my confidence is back. I know I need drinks to feel more comfortable, so I take her to the rooftop bar right away. At the bar, we drink, we talk, we flirt. She shows me pics and videos from her modeling career, which I didn't know about, so at this point I am blessing the Gods. Thank you for landing me a model on my first SA date.

At midnight the rooftop closes, so I suggest we take our drinks to my room. She says yes, so we head to my room. Room is a bit cramped (middle of Madrid), so I awkwardly sit on the bed while she sits on the chair. We talk more while finishing our drinks. I take off my shoes to get comfortable. We keep talking. 5,10,15 minutes pass by, and I am not sure how to proceed at this point. This is my first SA date, and to be honest, my first casual encounter of any kind. I don't know how to convert this nice, friendly chat to something more. So I suddenly change subject to relationships hoping to direct that to sex somehow. She tells me she has only had one boyfriend ever, and they broke up a few months go. I stupidly say "Oh, so I am going to be your 2nd guy ever", while laughing nervously. She smiles, continues talking. I move the subject to SA, apparently I am the first guy she is meeting from the site. I finally get up from bed to stand closer to her. She finally gets the hint, gets up from her chair and gives me a nice long kiss on the lips. And then says, "I think I should go". Fuck! What the actual fuck! I ask her, "are you sure? You don't want to do anything?" She says, "no, sorry I am not in the mood".

Dejected, I wear my shoes again, get her a cab and put some cab money in her purse. On the way to the room, I start researching how to get to Vive, when after a few minutes Rachael messages me "Hey, I thought it was going to 300 Euros". Hahahahahha. I am rolling on the floor laughing. This movie should be called "Noob meets noob". I message her that the "300 is only if the date includes intimacy but you said you were not in the mood", expecting her to reply back with some expletives. She instead messages "oh I didn't know. Do you want me to come back?" I am laughing hysterically at this point. I say, "Yes, if you want" .

Long story short, she asks the cab to turn around and comes back. I meet her in the lobby, take her back to the room. She washes up, takes off all her clothes and I see a goddess body in front of me. And we fuck. Everything is all natural and a solid 9/10 face, body, boobs and booty. Sex must have been good, because even after she left on her trip, she messaged me every day (sending pics, asking me if I will come back to Madrid). I don't remember much about the sex itself because frankly it was the first one on this trip of 30 fucks. I just remember that we were exhausted, and she wanted to stay back the night, but she had to leave because she had an early morning flight.

Day 2

Done with the two girls I was looking to meet in Madrid, I get desperate and start messaging girls left and right on SA. One of the girls I had chatted once from US replies and is ready to meet. I wanted to meet at night to explore the cocktail bars the 1200 Euro girl had recommended. She is sport and is ready to meet late at night (midnight) and continue till whenever. I spend the day roaming the city. At midnight we meet at the entrance to a fancy cocktail bar and I see a 5/10 in front of me. Her face is cute, but the body is thicker than I expected. Looking back, I realized that her pics on SA are from angles that flatter her body and never show the full body. I decide to keep going. I wanted to go to the bar and didn't mind having a company. We talk. She is cuban, a pianist and apparently going to Julliard in a month. And she turns out to be an interesting person overall. The first bar sucked, and she took me to a hole in the wall cocktail bar that made amazing and ingenious cocktails. Drunk, interested in her personality and no longer caring about her looks, I decide to continue. Take her to the room, she showers and then we fuck missionary. After a break, she starts giving me a massage, ending with my cock in her mouth. Little johnny is ready for round 2 and we fuck doggy this time. 300 Euros in her purse and off she goes, while I finally get to sleep at 5 am in the morning.

Day 3

Madrid was too hot for me, so I decide to skip tourism and focused on mongering. A hottie from SA that I had chatted with before replies, I tell her I want to meet in the afternoon and she agrees for 300 Euros. I don't know why I didn't learn my lesson, but when I meet her, I realize her pics on SA are from before she had put on some weight. She turned from a solid 8/10 to a 6/10 now. I dunno why, but I decide to continue. We drink at the rooftop, come back to my room and fuck. Little man gets to CIM for the first time in his life, so he is happy. When leaving, I tell her that she has put on quite a lot of weight, so I can't pay 300 anymore and we settle at 250.

At this point I am determined to find some hottie for the night. Day 2 girl is messaging to meet again, but I am not interested. I start sending messages to girls online on SA to propose a meet tonight. One hottie responds (lets call her Monica), we move to telegram and I ask to do a video call. She passes the check. Monica asks for 400, but I negotiate it down to 300 and we meet at another rooftop bar at 10 pm. She is a solid 8/10, Colombian with small, natural perky breasts, lovely face, luscious lips, big eyes and a nice ass. We talk about our life, I learn that she is a beautician and she reprimands me for not wearing enough sunscreen. Hah! Once the rooftop closes at midnight, we go to a bar with live music. We are quite tipsy at this point, and start flirting and making out in the bar. She is wearing a top with no bra, and I am full on caressing her breasts under her top making full use of the darkness in the bar. She is turned on and we take a cab to the hotel. In the room, she washes up, and then we fuck like bunnies. I usually cum soon, but maybe because I have had 5 fucks in 3 days already, I don't cum easily this time. Which means that we tried multiple positions for a long time and exhaust each other out. This is the best sex I have ever had in my life so far. I finally cum at her favorite position: downward dog. We are tired, but she has family at home so she leaves.

Day 4

I get up before noon and ask the hotel to extend my stay by one more night. I do some tourism in the day time, but at night I miss Monica. We exchange messages, she is ready to meet me again. We both like music, so we go to two different live music bars, talk, sing, flirt, drink a lot, come back to room and fuck like bunnies again. She LOVES downward dog, but this time I can't cum in that position. We try a few more, and I finally find my favorite: edge of the bed / catapult. This time we are done by 3 am, so I am happy I will get enough sleep before the flight tomorrow to Barcelona. I sleep knowing that I again had the best sex of my life and if things don't work out in Barcelona, I can come back to Madrid again and meet her.

[SeekingHead]

I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA there.

I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks. If I'm able to dril 10% of them I'll be set for life, LOL.

I'm not looking for pros, and I have had really cool SBs in the past in there places, but that was before the pandemic, so it's been a while.

The question I have is, what's a reasonable amount $ to offer in Medelland for a 20 yo hottie?

I have been reading here of folks with ranges from 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just today quoted $500 by a 25 yo in TX.

So for Medellin, would $100 be good? $150? Any recent experience, please share.Check the Colombian board for fresh pricing, but with the COP at 4100 the exchange rate is in our favor. $80-$150 is normal for SA girls in Colombia outside of Cartagena.

As for the US, counter the girl as $500 is high in Atlanta. $400 is what spinners are getting here, I hit a 29 year old Latina MILF last night for $250, a very GFE as I nutted 2 x in her.

[Mono Sin Luz]

Check the Colombian board for fresh pricing, but with the COP at 4100 the exchange rate is in our favor. $80-$150 is normal for SA girls in Colombia outside of Cartagena.Thanks, actually I was recently quoted 500 K COP by a hottie, so that's in accordance to what I was thinking and in range to what you said as well. So I will be using that as a starting negotiation. I may go a bit higher if she's just smoking hot. Anyway, thanks again.



As for the US, counter the girl as $500 is high in Atlanta. $400 is what spinners are getting here, I hit a 29 year old Latina MILF last night for $250, a very GFE as I nutted 2 x in her.Yeah, I have the feeling that I could have offer a bit less, and also that she would have been a potential good time. However, with this coming trip to Medellin, just thinking on what I can do with $500 makes me pause.

[Steve 9696]

I think I write some ripping fun reports but ima going to nominate Part 3 below for one of the most fun ever. I LOVE the part where your girl says she's got to go and does. And then you clarify she gets the money for sex and she comes back. I fucking died reading that. What a great report. And love that you are learning the ropes and getting better.

Some suggestions for gettting the party started in the room tho sounds like you are getting the hang!

Have a bottle of rose or sweet white on ice.

Pour a couple drinks and either. Go look at the view together. It's very intimate and you will be close and face to face. Or put on some music and just engage in some sway dancing. You will be making out in no time.

Keep up the good work! And don't hesitate to repeat Madrid. There will be another four hot brand new girls standing in line. The supply there is endless. Trust me.

[Gfefan]

Europe it's mostly 300 EUR. There are some platinum pussies that ask 500/700 but usually they are transactional and ignore them not for the money but for the attitude. Attitude matters to me. I want a friendly, GF like girl on my bed. The kind who wouldn't mind walking naked to my kitchen and get me a drink (my kitchen) in between sessions.

I have had a couple models in Malaga for 300 EUR.


It's the main sugar baby sight in the US & Around the world.

I have done good lately with sugar daddy meets as well, been back in the states 2 weeks & have hit 4 women between $250-350 off the site.

What is pricing like in Europe?, I'm very seriously thinking about retiring in Southern Spain & will want to have 1 main SB who I see a few times a month.

[Gfefan]

US is all about platinum pussies.


I'm heading to Medellin next week. I've been there before but had never used SA there.

I am already in contact with a bunch of really hot chicks. If I'm able to dril 10% of them I'll be set for life, LOL.

I'm not looking for pros, and I have had really cool SBs in the past in there places, but that was before the pandemic, so it's been a while.

The question I have is, what's a reasonable amount $ to offer in Medelland for a 20 yo hottie?

I have been reading here of folks with ranges from 250-400 EUR for Wester Europe and I was just today quoted $500 by a 25 yo in TX.

So for Medellin, would $100 be good? $150? Any recent experience, please share.

[Mono Sin Luz]

US is all about platinum pussies.Not sure if the term is literal or has some other meaning, but in general I find US pussy in SA to be fine, but not spectacular compared with other locations.

The really smoking hot, petite, spinner like kind all will charge a fortune I guess, so more often than not not worth if you can travel IMO.

[Steve 9696]

Obviously you are trying to pay least possible and they are going for max dollars. Let's say offer 300 and she says 400 is as low as she can go. Rather than saying ok say. That would be fine for the first date but if we repeat I need something more manageable like 300. So let's make the first date 400 and if we really like each other we can do 300 after that.

This works really well. She gets her 400 if you are a one hit wonder. And you get your 300 if you hit it off and this is a boatload of cash over time. I've used this very successfully in the past. Also did a 5,4,3. Like 500 first night and 400 second and 300 third and subsequent. This is a real home run. Recommend.

[Intelligencium]

Steve,

Thanks! Your reports are the gold standard in reports! Mine ended up being fun because the story was funny!! Haha. Thanks for the tips. Music was the mood enhancer that I used later on, but it was much easier with other girls since they all knew the drill. This girl was a newbie (clearly), so it ended up being so awkward.

-Ravi.

P.S. : Does anyone know how to change their userid here? I picked this one long back before knowing I will contribute to the forum.


I think I write some ripping fun reports but ima going to nominate Part 3 below for one of the most fun ever. I LOVE the part where your girl says she's got to go and does. And then you clarify she gets the money for sex and she comes back. I fucking died reading that. What a great report. And love that you are learning the ropes and getting better.

Some suggestions for gettting the party started in the room tho sounds like you are getting the hang!

Have a bottle of rose or sweet white on ice.

Pour a couple drinks and either. Go look at the view together. It's very intimate and you will be close and face to face. Or put on some music and just engage in some sway dancing. You will be making out in no time.

Keep up the good work! And don't hesitate to repeat Madrid. There will be another four hot brand new girls standing in line. The supply there is endless. Trust me.

[SeekingHead]

Europe it's mostly 300 EUR. There are some platinum pussies that ask 500/700 but usually they are transactional and ignore them not for the money but for the attitude. Attitude matters to me. I want a friendly, GF like girl on my bed. The kind who wouldn't mind walking naked to my kitchen and get me a drink (my kitchen) in between sessions.

I have had a couple models in Malaga for 300 EUR.Awesome, that's where I'm thinking of cashing in at, the idea of life in a villa with a sea view is the dream at the end of 40 years of hard fucking work. Knowing I'll also be able to have a steady stable of SB's & great golf is about all I can ask for anymore in life.

Ideally I'd like to find a solid 9 girl who would be cool with trips & I could see a couple of times a week. I've had 3 different girls I did monthly arrangements with for $1200 US & I saw them 6 times a month so that's what I'd look for, I'd send them the money on the 1st day of the month all where mid 20's spinners.

[SeekingHead]

Obviously you are trying to pay least possible and they are going for max dollars. Let's say offer 300 and she says 400 is as low as she can go. Rather than saying ok say. That would be fine for the first date but if we repeat I need something more manageable like 300. So let's make the first date 400 and if we really like each other we can do 300 after that.

This works really well. She gets her 400 if you are a one hit wonder. And you get your 300 if you hit it off and this is a boatload of cash over time. I've used this very successfully in the past. Also did a 5,4,3. Like 500 first night and 400 second and 300 third and subsequent. This is a real home run. Recommend.Dude, that's my to go to formula for the US. It gives the girls a bit of comfort in knowing that if you do a hit & run they got more money, but if you come back then they know you'll see them multiple times.

[Mono Sin Luz]

I've used this very successfully in the past. Also did a 5,4,3. Like 500 first night and 400 second and 300 third and subsequent. This is a real home run. Recommend.This is great advice. I'll see if I can use it with one of the spinners here in TX.

[AmericanPi]

I agree with prior poster. Your reports are great.

Can I give one piece of advice? Start earlier. Your dates starting at 10 or midnight don't leave much time for repeat bangs and also to course correct if needed. If things go badly and you end at 1 am the night is done. If you start with dinner at 7 or 8, and you choose your hotel location right, you usually have your dick in her mouth by about 10. Then you're set up for a long night worth the investment.

Also good to hear you're doing 300 in Madrid. When I was there I was offering 500. Didn't know I could do 3.

[Elvis 2008]

At this point I am determined to find some hottie for the night. Day 2 girl is messaging to meet again, but I am not interested. I start sending messages to girls online on SA to propose a meet tonight. One hottie responds (lets call her Monica), we move to telegram and I ask to do a video call. She passes the check. Monica asks for 400, but I negotiate it down to 300 and we meet at another rooftop bar at 10 pm. She is a solid 8/10, Colombian with small, natural perky breasts, lovely face, luscious lips, big eyes and a nice ass. We talk about our life, I learn that she is a beautician and she reprimands me for not wearing enough sunscreen. Hah! Once the rooftop closes at midnight, we go to a bar with live music. She is turned on and we take a cab to the hotel. In the room, she washes up, and then we fuck like bunnies. I usually cum soon, but maybe because I have had 5 fucks in 3 days already, I don't cum easily this time. Which means that we tried multiple positions for a long time and exhaust each other out. This is the best sex I have ever had in my life so far. I finally cum at her favorite position: downward dog. We are tired, but she has family at home so she leaves.

I get up before noon and ask the hotel to extend my stay by one more night. I do some tourism in the day time, but at night I miss Monica. We exchange messages, she is ready to meet me again. We both like music, so we go to two different live music bars, talk, sing, flirt, drink a lot, come back to room and fuck like bunnies again. She LOVES downward dog, but this time I can't cum in that position. We try a few more, and I finally find my favorite: edge of the bed / catapult. This time we are done by 3 am, so I am happy I will get enough sleep before the flight tomorrow to Barcelona. I sleep knowing that I again had the best sex of my life and if things don't work out in Barcelona, I can come back to Madrid again and meet her.That was a great report, Intelligencium, and I like the way you handled the newbie.

I always hate it when guys make comments like you way overpaid because it is your money and if you had a good time and feel like you got good value for it, that is all that matters. That said, if you fell for a Columbiana (and I get why), and are able to go to Bogota, you will find similar women for a 1/3 to 1/2 what you paid on seeking / SA. I am informing not judging.

And if you do not care for the heat, you will like Bogota. Highs are high 60's, low 70's and low in mid 50's year round.

[AmericanPi]

What up all. I've Seeked in most of Western Europe. Great experiences in UK, Madrid, Barcelona, Portugal, France.

I'm looking to go a little further east this time. But when I search SA to see what's on offer the numbers just aren't there. Like when I look for 18-24 year old in London you get like 500 profiles. Do the same in Minsk, Warsaw, Tallinn, Bucharest, etc and you get like 50 hits. Which isn't enough because then only 10 are probably active profiles now.

I want to get past Western Europe. Want to try someplace fun and cheap and where there are plenty of seeking girls. Or maybe there's another way like the SA of some country is some other site.

Anyone got some tips and advice for a longtime contributor?

[Elvis 2008]

Awesome, that's where I'm thinking of cashing in at, the idea of life in a villa with a sea view is the dream at the end of 40 years of hard fucking work. Knowing I'll also be able to have a steady stable of SB's & great golf is about all I can ask for anymore in life.SH, it is a lot cheaper than you can imagine if you rent versus buy. My place in Cartagena is in Manga and runs only $600 to $750 per month and it has a great view of the sea and skyline. I have not played the golf course there though. Getting a steady string of SBs there or from nearby Medellin or Bogota would probably not be hard. I am not sure if you can stay more than six months at a time. I like the beaches fine there but they do not have the white sand the best beaches do. The main thing with Cartagena is to avoid the rainy seasons. Barranquilla is a bigger and cheaper city but there is not as much to do there.

I often meet my gal halfway in Mexico when I do not have that much time. We have been to CDMX dozens of times. Thing is when I looked at beach towns in the summer in Mexico there was always a lot of rain. The exception were the cities like Cabo San Lucas on the Baja peninsula as they are desert like. Thing I did not know about Cabo is that it can actually be cool in the Winter. https://www.caribeez.com/mexico/article/best-time-to-visit-cabo#text=The%20 best%20 time%20 to%20 visit, Pacific%20 coasts%20 of%20 North%20 America.

I have not mongered in Cabo so I am not sure how hard getting a stable of SBs would be but I had a stable in CDMX and Monterrey that I could have imported in. I would probably drive to Cabo. I rented a car and drove all around Baja so that would not worry me. Roads are great and would probably keep a car there. You do not need a car in Cartagena. I have not played golf in Cabo either but I recall there being a lot of courses.

I liked your post because it got me thinking about what ideal living conditions for the life after work would be. I think ideally for me it would be six months in Cartagena in the winter and six months in the Cabo / Baja area in the summer.

[The Cane]

What up all. I've Seeked in most of Western Europe. Great experiences in UK, Madrid, Barcelona, Portugal, France.

I'm looking to go a little further east this time. But when I search SA to see what's on offer the numbers just aren't there. Like when I look for 18-24 year old in London you get like 500 profiles. Do the same in Minsk, Warsaw, Tallinn, Bucharest, etc and you get like 50 hits. Which isn't enough because then only 10 are probably active profiles now.

I want to get past Western Europe. Want to try someplace fun and cheap and where there are plenty of seeking girls. Or maybe there's another way like the SA of some country is some other site.

Anyone got some tips and advice for a longtime contributor?Prague or Vienna? I have not used SA in those cities, but I have mongered there with success. Budapest? I would think that Vienna would be a fertile hunting ground. But again, my experience was 100% limited to the straight up tutes LOL! Curious what experienced Seekers think about Prague, Vienna, and Budapest for SA action.

[Gfefan]

I haven't gone as far that east but Budapest gave me decent success. It wasn't close to GFE experience I had in Spain or Netherlands but good hot chicks. And way cheaper.


What up all. I've Seeked in most of Western Europe. Great experiences in UK, Madrid, Barcelona, Portugal, France.

I'm looking to go a little further east this time. But when I search SA to see what's on offer the numbers just aren't there. Like when I look for 18-24 year old in London you get like 500 profiles. Do the same in Minsk, Warsaw, Tallinn, Bucharest, etc and you get like 50 hits. Which isn't enough because then only 10 are probably active profiles now.

I want to get past Western Europe. Want to try someplace fun and cheap and where there are plenty of seeking girls. Or maybe there's another way like the SA of some country is some other site.

Anyone got some tips and advice for a longtime contributor?

[The Cane]

Anybody ever do this in the Seeking space? I know when I was on there I refused to pay any "allowance" on a first date. I would pick up drinks and dinner, but not expect anything back though if it didn't work out. After all, if I actually met someone despite all the fakes, it was always me who didn't want to hook up again LOL! Except for the one hot blondie I ended up barebacking for several months. Most of the SA girls don't have a lot of money anyway. Why most (but not all) are on there with their hands out and panties down:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/17/he-paid-for-the-first-date-and-he-asked-for-his-money-back.html

[Steve 9696]

I agree with prior poster. Your reports are great.

Can I give one piece of advice? Start earlier. Your dates starting at 10 or midnight don't leave much time for repeat bangs and also to course correct if needed. If things go badly and you end at 1 am the night is done. If you start with dinner at 7 or 8, and you choose your hotel location right, you usually have your dick in her mouth by about 10. Then you're set up for a long night worth the investment.

Also good to hear you're doing 300 in Madrid. When I was there I was offering 500. Didn't know I could do 3.You can def get 300-400 in Madrid. I got smoke show for 400 and she is literally a perfect ten. Most beautiful girl on planet earth. I say this with confidence since I see her wake up no make up and smoke any model or actres you can name. And had another Madrid girl a little thicker at 300. Def shouldn't need to go to 5 Pi as I know you know how to put in the work.

[AmericanPi]

I haven't gone as far that east but Budapest gave me decent success. It wasn't close to GFE experience I had in Spain or Netherlands but good hot chicks. And way cheaper.Meh. When I look at Budapest SA it's slim pickings. I understand from this site, the Buda page, but it's really down for being a place you can bang literal porn stars.

[AmericanPi]

From article: "I was in complete shock," she said. "It made it seem like the only reason he would offer to pay for my drinks was that he expected something from me."

I would never ask a girl to cover a first date. But the pretended naïveté on display in this article, in more than that one quote, is a sight to behold.

Apparently women are just waking up to the fact that men take them and cover the bill hoping one day it leads to sex. Might be cover of the NYT soon.


Anybody ever do this in the Seeking space? I know when I was on there I refused to pay any "allowance" on a first date. I would pick up drinks and dinner, but not expect anything back though if it didn't work out. After all, if I actually met someone despite all the fakes, it was always me who didn't want to hook up again LOL! Except for the one hot blondie I ended up barebacking for several months. Most of the SA girls don't have a lot of money anyway. Why most (but not all) are on there with their hands out and panties down:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/17/he-paid-for-the-first-date-and-he-asked-for-his-money-back.html

[AmericanPi]

Prague or Vienna? I have not used SA in those cities, but I have mongered there with success. Budapest? I would think that Vienna would be a fertile hunting ground. But again, my experience was 100% limited to the straight up tutes LOL! Curious what experienced Seekers think about Prague, Vienna, and Budapest for SA action.I looked up Prague and Vienna also. Limited selection on SA. I just fear I'm going to show up hoping one of the 10 girls actually on there are looking. I like places like London that have 500 active girls and you're 99 pct sure you're going to bag serious hotness.

Maybe there's another platform for this besides SA? In Eastern Europe? Anyone know?

[Steve 9696]

I looked up Prague and Vienna also. Limited selection on SA. I just fear I'm going to show up hoping one of the 10 girls actually on there are looking. I like places like London that have 500 active girls and you're 99 pct sure you're going to bag serious hotness.

Maybe there's another platform for this besides SA? In Eastern Europe? Anyone know?Why the obsession with Eastern Europe. Doubt your going to exceed Madrid or London. Just the thirst for something new? Good news is there is high turnover. Madrid this month is completely new vs three months ago. Just go where they at!

Plus in Madrid u got Vive. I prob gonna see Smoke Show again in October. And despite her being the most beautiful girl ever I kinda wanna go to Vive and bang a random hottie! Geez. Men.

[MiamiBoy1]

Why the obsession with Eastern Europe. Doubt your going to exceed Madrid or London. Just the thirst for something new? Good news is there is high turnover. Madrid this month is completely new vs three months ago. Just go where they at!

Plus in Madrid u got Vive. I prob gonna see Smoke Show again in October. And despite her being the most beautiful girl ever I kinda wanna go to Vive and bang a random hottie! Geez. Men.Because Eastern Europe is paradise if one is into white, tall, slender, blonde girls. Eastern European countries are much cheaper, the food is great, and there is a lot to see and to do. Tinder would probably work much better, in Russia or Ukraine it works wonders. And if one is into Latinas, Colombia or Mexico make much more sense than Madrid.

[AmericanPi]

Why the obsession with Eastern Europe. Doubt your going to exceed Madrid or London. Just the thirst for something new? Good news is there is high turnover. Madrid this month is completely new vs three months ago. Just go where they at!

Plus in Madrid u got Vive. I prob gonna see Smoke Show again in October. And despite her being the most beautiful girl ever I kinda wanna go to Vive and bang a random hottie! Geez. Men.I'm fortunate in that I get to go to Europe often. But always western and Northern Europe. I've been to London, barcelona, Madrid, France, Frankfurt enough times. And I'll be going many more. I'd like to see the other side.

It's like if you come to the US but you only ever see NY Miami Chicago LA, you might get a hankering to see New Orleans or Nashville. Just to mix it up.

[Mono Sin Luz]

Tinder would probably work much better, in Russia or Ukraine it works wonders.So in your experience it would be better to use Tinder than SA in Russia / Ukraine?

Not sure how is it to travel to those destinations these days, but I'm guessing this conflict will end someday in our lifetime.

Anyway, are the Russian's on Tinder pros that charge money, or you just meet random Russians and hook up?

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 4 of my "Dating Tour", or the new name from Part 3: "The tour with 30 fucks".

Part 1 is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 is here (Steve's fav): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

After finishing Madrid on a high, I flew into Barcelona next afternoon. Flying in Spain is interesting. The airports are new and swanky, but the crowd is a bit crazy. So if you are from US, learn to stand in line / queue earlier than usual. And sometimes, be prepared to cut the line.

Days 1-2

I had been talking to a girl in Barcelona for a few months that I really liked, lets call her Naz. Naz is Brazilian, 35, but looked much younger (I would have guessed 27), had a good body, beautiful face, beautiful smile and most importantly spoke very good English! She showed a lot of interest in me. She was eager to meet me, so much so that I got a little annoyed, since she kept asking me when I am coming again and again. But she was my top girl in BCN, so I kept the fire alive on chat and few video chats. She wanted 400 PPM, and I asked for 300, but we didn't discuss it further. We kept on flirting / sexting for a long time, including she sending me my first ever nude. Body was 10/10, overall she was a good 9/10. Side note: I was the first guy she was meeting from SA, and she shut down her account after a while because guys kept making her feel "like a scort".

So when I landed in BCN and checked into my hotel, I asked her to meet me there. We went out for lunch, some romantic touristy spot in the evening and a rooftop bar at night. By the time we got to my hotel room, the suppressed sexual energy was too much to control. Without saying a word, we dimmed the light and got into the bed together. This was a PERFECT girlfriend experience! We made love like long lost lovers, who had been in a long distance relationship and met after many months. I can describe the sex, but frankly the highlight for me was the connection. The way we looked at each other. The way we kissed like we had never kissed before. The way we wanted to keep touching each others naked bodies all night long. We probably did it 2-3 times in an hour or so. Then ordered food to the room, ate, brushed our teeth, got ready to sleep, but ended up doing it again a few more times. Her sex drive was like no other girl I had ever met. In her own words "I have a problem". Oh I remember those words so well, because she said them while moaning because I was fingering her clit / vagina while biting her nipples (she asked me to).

She left early in the morning because she has a cat at home, and we met around noon for brunch. Did one more touristy thing in the afternoon, she went back to her place to pack a bag for staying at my room, then we came back to the room, fucked a bit, then got ready and went for dinner. During dinner, I learned that she has never been to a strip club before. I asked if she wanted to go, she said yes, so we went to a couple to find "the right one", where she felt comfortable. I offered her to get a lap dance, but she was just happy seeing a strip show. I had done a lot of strip clubs back in US, so I was not interested in lap dances, and frankly the US clubs are better anyways. Went back the room around 1 am, fucked till 3-4 am and don't remember when we fell asleep.

These two days have been AMAZING. I think I am falling for her. She and I have a lot to talk given that we are close in age and she speaks English so well. She has been quite open-minded so far and have given me great company, great sex (with my 2nd CIM ever) and so far we've had great chemistry in and out of bed. I came into this "tour" to try dating as many girls as possible (and that's still there somewhere in the back of my mind), but I am rethinking that plan given our great chemistry so far. We started making plans such that she can join me in rest of the travel. I want to go to Amsterdam and try some mushrooms, and she agreed to "babysit" me.

Day 3 - My first threesome

Next day things get more interesting and a bit crazy.

So, while chatting with her over telegram and also in person, she asked me if I had ever had a threesome. I told her no and that I wouldn't mind trying one. She told me she has had some a while back, and she wouldn't mind trying again either (2 girls and 1 guy). So I started pinging some girls in my SA shortlist who I thought may be into it * Few of them said yes, and I showed their pic to her. She teases me (oh, you really want this. Haha), but finally "approves" one girl. Let's call her Laura. Laura wants her photos too, so I get Naz to send me some photos to send Laura. So far so good. I am a bit anxious since I have never done a threesome before, so I ask Naz what to expect (since she has experience). She says, don't worry, everything just flows naturally. I am not happy with the answer, so I ask again in a couple of hours if there is something I should know or do in a specific way. She says don't worry, we will have fun. She did want me to make up a story so that Laura doesn't think Naz is on SA. So we come up with a story that Naz is my ex-GF and we met again recently and are trying something fun. From the very beginning, Naz has been a bit uneasy about SA, so I figured that's OK. She also says? To behave? * I ask her what that means. She says, just don? T make me feel disrespected.

I don't remember what we did for the rest of the day, but Laura couldn't come earlier, so we called her late at night to the rooftop bar. Laura is 20 and an absolute stunner. She is local, from Spain (Andalusia), into Tattoos and gaming, so when the three of us meet, we don't have much to talk about. But we manage a drink, then a tequila shot and decide to go to the room. Laura asked for 350 over chat, and not wanting to ruin the perfect setup so far, I had agreed.

Once in the room, Laura wants the money upfront, which I didn't fuss over. Afterall it is the two of us vs just her. She washes up, I put on some "sensual music" and we all look at each other. Naz is sitting on the bed, I am standing at one edge of the bed and Laura is standing at one of the other edges. I look at Naz, unsure what to do. She doesn't say or signal anything. I am happily drunk, so I make the first move. I go to Laura and start making out with her * After maybe 30 seconds of this, I signal to Naz to come join us. When she comes, I make out with her, then ask them to kiss each other. While they make out, I take out my clothes and start to unbutton theirs. Naz then slides back to the head of the bed. We follow her. Laura and Naz continue making out, while I start licking Naz's pussy (I learned in the last two days that she loves that). Then Naz is sucking on Laura's tits, while I keep sucking on her pussy. After a minute, Naz gently pushes me to lie down on my back, while she starts sucking my dick and Laura comes back to french me on my mouth. I remember that Naz likes to go down on a woman (she had told me that), so after a bit of oral on me, I signal her to come up and signal her to go down on Laura, while I put on a condom. Picture this: Laura sitting at the head of the bed, Naz licking and sucking her pussy with her back to me and then I slowly slide my dick in Naz's pussy. When I start to pound her from the back a lot harder, Laura comes up to me and starts kissing me on my mouth again.

A few more interesting combinations happened and I finally came. So far I had not fucked Laura, so I knew I needed to keep the party going. I ask Laura to go down on Naz, while I go throw the used condom. Watching the girl on girl show, I stroke my dick to get it back to a fuckable hardness level. Watching me try this, Laura signals me to come up to her and then I am standing on the bed, with her mouth on my dick and Naz is again fucking her pussy with her mouth. When the dick is ready, Laura signals me to fuck her, Naz happily steps aside ** and I go missionary on Laura, kissing her yummy lips, sucking her perky breasts while fucking her tight (and I mean TIGHT) pussy. I cum in a few minutes (At this point, I felt like I had had the best 40-50 minutes of my life (I don't remember how long it took). But I don't want the party to end, so I tell the girls let's take a break. Naz gets up and drinks some water. Laura is sitting on the bed and in no hurry to go anywhere. I am lying on the bed a little distance from Laura. After a min or so, I also get up to get some water, offer water to Laura and then get back on the bed closer to her. She still doesn? T seem to be in any hurry to go. So I called Naz, "Naz, come back here". Naz calls me to come to her. I stupidly tease her "come on, see Laura is still up for more, why can? T you be like her *wink* *.

Well, apparently that was a stupid thing to say. All hell breaks loose at this point. Naz say, ?its over?. I walk upto her, and say? What? She says? I think we are done?. I am confused, and thinking that Naz thinks Laura wants to go. So I say, ?No, lets do more?. Then I start to see some anger in her eyes. She (Naz) starts dressing up and says I am leaving. I now understand the seriousness of the situation (looks like I messed up somewhere along the way). I ask her not to leave, lets talk, but she is determined. I finally convince her not to leave completely, she says she will wait in the hotel lobby if I want to talk. And she leaves. At this point, I am alone with a hot naked 20 year old who looks like she is still ready to fuck me (she hasn? T move from her bed yet). I have to make a split second decision. If I ignore Naz and take a few minutes to fuck Laura once more, Naz will likely get madder aaannddddd I don't know what will happen.

I decide to? Do the right thing?, ask Laura to get dressed and leave. I apologize to her about this, she says it's okay and leaves. I get dressed after she leaves and go down to talk to Naz. She is upset about how I?behaved? During this whole time, that I disrespected her. At this point I feel like I am in a relationship and my girlfriend is upset at me. I kinda try to calm her down, say I am sorry etc etc. We finally go to my room. We try to talk about it, then try to ignore it, but then the topic comes back again, she gets angry and finally says? Its best if I leave?. So she leaves and I am finally alone in the room wondering WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK happened. How did my graph of fun go from the THERE to HERE. I am damn tired, so after checking up on Naz to see if she reached home, I doze off.

P.S. : Part 5 and 6 upcoming. If you want hint to what I did wrong, look at the places I have marked * above. Also, maybe guess?

[Intelligencium]

That was a great report, Intelligencium, and I like the way you handled the newbie.

I always hate it when guys make comments like you way overpaid because it is your money and if you had a good time and feel like you got good value for it, that is all that matters. That said, if you fell for a Columbiana (and I get why), and are able to go to Bogota, you will find similar women for a 1/3 to 1/2 what you paid on seeking / SA. I am informing not judging.

And if you do not care for the heat, you will like Bogota. Highs are high 60's, low 70's and low in mid 50's year round.Thanks Elvis! Other than maybe one girl on this trip, I did not feel like I overpaid. I understand that I need to think about my fellow mongers, but this was also a once in a lifetime thing for me, so I did not try to penny pinch.

Thanks for the suggestion about Bogota. May be I will get another opportunity and go to Colombia soon.


I agree with prior poster. Your reports are great.

Can I give one piece of advice? Start earlier. Your dates starting at 10 or midnight don't leave much time for repeat bangs and also to course correct if needed. If things go badly and you end at 1 am the night is done. If you start with dinner at 7 or 8, and you choose your hotel location right, you usually have your dick in her mouth by about 10. Then you're set up for a long night worth the investment.

Also good to hear you're doing 300 in Madrid. When I was there I was offering 500. Didn't know I could do 3.Thanks AmericanPi! I completely agree that I should have started these dates earlier, but unfortunately I was working remotely (from my room) until about 10 pm, so other than Saturday or Sunday nights, I had to setup these dates after 10 pm.

Regarding madrid prices, I got quoted 300-1200, so clearly the spread is high. For Monica and Rachael, I would have been fine paying 400, but luckily they both agreed to 300.

[LshRoomer]

I looked up Prague and Vienna also. Limited selection on SA. I just fear I'm going to show up hoping one of the 10 girls actually on there are looking. I like places like London that have 500 active girls and you're 99 pct sure you're going to bag serious hotness.

Maybe there's another platform for this besides SA? In Eastern Europe? Anyone know?Prague and Vienna are awesome. However, from an SA perspective, I agree that it's slim pickings. There are girls, but nothing compared to Spain and London. Prague has an established monger culture, with the apartment girls, outcall massages, sauna, and Showpark, plus the outcall scene. So, the local culture may require a different approach.

I have snatched up an apartment girl in the past and ended up having multiple SA type outings including overnights (not at her advertised rates either, SA rates). This is also one of the only places where I've found the escorts are a bit more personal (you will def hear the opposite as well, some of the Bohemians are quite cold), meaning invitations to birthday parties, Merry Christmas texts, random "can we hang out tonight" texts. Whenever I responded to those texts, we would go out all night, with drinks and food on me, then banged her at the end of the night, no cash handed over (ukrainian girl; I was having lots of positive experiences with Ukrainian girls. I exclusively sought them out for a time. Hahaha) . She usually didn't stay over. I figured that she wanted to feel like a regular girl on a date sometimes, instead of the standard escort life. IDK.

I experienced the same with an SA girl there. After our initial date, she reached out quite a bit to hang out, sometimes just to netflix and chill. If she initiated coming over / staying in, I might put 50/100 euro in her pocket. (Aussie girl).

It seemed like the sex workers were willing converts, which is interesting because they make less money going the SA route. However, if there is charm and attraction, it can definitely work. Just putting it out there, my experience is limited to 3 converts (1 apt girl (czech), 2 escorts (ukrainian. Would have been nice if they knew each other)), so not sure how widespread this is. I also tried with a stripper, and she was interested. I got her contact, but didn't pull the trigger; she wanted too much money. I ended up just drinking with her and she put me on to the local scene and pretty much corroborated what I had read in the forum.

Give it a shot. And avoid the strip clubs and the street girls!

02.

[MiamiBoy1]

Meh. When I look at Budapest SA it's slim pickings. I understand from this site, the Buda page, but it's really down for being a place you can bang literal porn stars.You guys don't realize that it's not that a particular city or country sucks in terms of the talent. It's just SA is not popular or well known in some places. Take Rio or SP, for example. Both cities have plenty of hot girls, but SA sucks there. MED or BOG have 10 x more pickings on SA. You need to find another way, or another application, to find girls. Any capital city in Eastern Europe has plenty of talent!

[MiamiBoy1]

So in your experience it would be better to use Tinder than SA in Russia / Ukraine?

Not sure how is it to travel to those destinations these days, but I'm guessing this conflict will end someday in our lifetime.

Anyway, are the Russian's on Tinder pros that charge money, or you just meet random Russians and hook up?Russians and Ukrainians have no idea what SA is. Tinder has always been very popular there. I'm not sure if Tinder still works in Russia because of the sanctions, but I think everybody use VPN these days that allows them to use Instagram, FB and all other apps. In the USA, I barely have any matches, while in Russia I could barely handle the amount of matches I had. My inbox was exploding. My buddies also had success with Tinder there. Most of the girls are non-pros and semi-pros. Pros are not common due to privacy issues, they usually advertise on escort websites where faces are blurred. Damn, I miss Russia. Attached is one of my Tinder dates, college girl, 19 yo. I think she was about 150 usd overnight (100 USD with current exchange rate).

[Mono Sin Luz]

Attached is one of my Tinder dates, college girl, 19 yo. I think she was about 150 usd overnight (100 USD with current exchange rate).Lucky bastard.

[Elvis 2008]

Well, apparently that was a stupid thing to say. All hell breaks loose at this point. Naz say, ?its over?. I walk upto her, and say? What? She says? I think we are done?. I am confused, and thinking that Naz thinks Laura wants to go. So I say, ?No, lets do more?. Then I start to see some anger in her eyes. She (Naz) starts dressing up and says I am leaving. I now understand the seriousness of the situation (looks like I messed up somewhere along the way). I ask her not to leave, lets talk, but she is determined. I finally convince her not to leave completely, she says she will wait in the hotel lobby if I want to talk. And she leaves. At this point, I am alone with a hot naked 20 year old who looks like she is still ready to fuck me (she hasn? T move from her bed yet). I have to make a split second decision. If I ignore Naz and take a few minutes to fuck Laura once more, Naz will likely get madder aaannddddd I don't know what will happen.Threesomes are tough sometimes to get but my rule was treat women the same if you meet them at the same time. If your woman initiates the threesome, then you both follow your woman's lead in this case that would be Naz. Laura is the sub and Naz is dominant so whatever Naz wants, she gets. You showed too much interest in Laura.

One of the issues when you see escorts so much or have your ego beaten down by your wife (in my case ex-wife), you actually get it into your head, that women could ONLY like you for money. With my gal, it took me like four months to understand that she really liked me and a bunch of shit tests to prove it.

I think I need to give that ex-pat who owned a restaurant in Brazil a name so let's call him Stan, and Stan said relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than in the USA. That is the rule of Stan. LOL.

So yeah, Naz thinks that she is your GF, and she probably thought so a few hours after meeting you. So in this case, unless she is a psycho, buy her something nice, apologize, say that you had the time of your life with her and that you really like her. After a while with her and making her feel special and secure, that is when you suggest another threesome where you promise to respect her lead and put her #1.

You will have a much better time sexually with her than without her, and the trips I had with two and three woman in Cancun were among the most fun times I had in my life. What you do with that after your trip is up to you, but she does really like you like a GF would.

[FilthyBeaver]

I've had quite a bit of success in Kyiv with SA. Met a gorgeous Dr and couldn't believe it. Didn't ask for and wouldn't accept anything when I asked her. I asked what the hell she's doing on the sight and she told me she meets more interesting people there than any other site. I agree wholeheartedly. Even back home the girls I've met from SA are extremely independent, out of the box thinkers, that just know how to get shit done and will do whatever they need to to do it.

I've had zero luck with tinder at home like not a single message on two separate accounts (at different times). You've just inspired me to try in in Eastern Europe. God I love me some Slav girls.


Russians and Ukrainians have no idea what SA is. Tinder has always been very popular there. I'm not sure if Tinder still works in Russia because of the sanctions, but I think everybody use VPN these days that allows them to use Instagram, FB and all other apps. In the USA, I barely have any matches, while in Russia I could barely handle the amount of matches I had. My inbox was exploding. My buddies also had success with Tinder there. Most of the girls are non-pros and semi-pros. Pros are not common due to privacy issues, they usually advertise on escort websites where faces are blurred. Damn, I miss Russia. Attached is one of my Tinder dates, college girl, 19 yo. I think she was about 150 usd overnight (100 USD with current exchange rate).

[GoingDumb]

Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?

[Projektzer]

Russians and Ukrainians have no idea what SA is. Tinder has always been very popular there. I'm not sure if Tinder still works in Russia because of the sanctions, but I think everybody use VPN these days that allows them to use Instagram, FB and all other apps. In the USA, I barely have any matches, while in Russia I could barely handle the amount of matches I had. My inbox was exploding. My buddies also had success with Tinder there. Most of the girls are non-pros and semi-pros. Pros are not common due to privacy issues, they usually advertise on escort websites where faces are blurred. Damn, I miss Russia. Attached is one of my Tinder dates, college girl, 19 yo. I think she was about 150 usd overnight (100 USD with current exchange rate).Did you record? Was this before the war? I wanted to dip into the 18 scene but now I'm scared to go LOL.

[Mono Sin Luz]

Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?I have done both. It depends on the mood, the girl and convenience.

[Intelligencium]

You guys don't realize that it's not that a particular city or country sucks in terms of the talent. It's just SA is not popular or well known in some places. Take Rio or SP, for example. Both cities have plenty of hot girls, but SA sucks there. MED or BOG have 10 x more pickings on SA. You need to find another way, or another application, to find girls. Any capital city in Eastern Europe has plenty of talent!What do you suggest for Brazil?

[FilthyBeaver]

Unless I'm traveling we always go to my place. I'm divorced and not sneaking around. I have had a couple girls offer to host at their place but that's well into the mutual trust period and not the first handful of dates.


Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?

[AluHut]

I've searched the thread, but couldn't find enough meaningful details about how is SA in Germany? I've signed up without subscription just to check profiles. A lot of plastic trash, but also quite a lot adult, educated and stylish woman. On one hand I would love to meet with them, on another they might be way too expensive for me. Very interested to hear some recent experience in Germany, especially outside of Berlin.

[AmericanPi]

Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?You obviously have not had the delight of meeting a crazy ***** on SA yet.

Have it happen once and you'the never ask this question.

You can't tell they're crazy from their profile. But man when crazy shows up.

I would only do that if I knew the girl.

[Foolish]

Have you guys brought girls back to your house when you're at home? Or do you prefer hotels for anonymity?I don't recall your exact situation, but if you have anything to lose relationship wise, it's risky. Yes, it's comfortable and everything is at your finger tips. But if you're in the states (even without relationship luggage), if / when it goes sideways, I can't imagine a worse situation than agents / officers / goons / etc showing up at your door with claims of xyz / bad stuff with your girl. Or casing / robbing / trashing your place.

Sounds pessimistic, but you could have 99 great experiences and 1 that ruins your homebase. Or you have really good security at your condo (pseudo-sarcasm). Or you rent and can move ha.

F.

P.S. I have had some experience with the negative side of dealing with some women and sketchy people / situations. So not exactly imaginary haha.

[Gfefan]

The one who has been there with you earlier and been kind enough to offer a threesome experience gets preference unless she explicitly states she wants to be a sub.

Brazilians are generally great at sex and chemistry. My favorite from BCN was brazilian too. We discussed threesome and she told me "I will NOT share you with anyone. You want more sex? I'd love to fuck you 24 hours" and we dropped the idea.

So, Naz has been really nice to you.


Threesomes are tough sometimes to get but my rule was treat women the same if you meet them at the same time. If your woman initiates the threesome, then you both follow your woman's lead in this case that would be Naz. Laura is the sub and Naz is dominant so whatever Naz wants, she gets. You showed too much interest in Laura.

One of the issues when you see escorts so much or have your ego beaten down by your wife (in my case ex-wife), you actually get it into your head, that women could ONLY like you for money. With my gal, it took me like four months to understand that she really liked me and a bunch of shit tests to prove it.

I think I need to give that ex-pat who owned a restaurant in Brazil a name so let's call him Stan, and Stan said relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than in the USA. That is the rule of Stan. LOL.

So yeah, Naz thinks that she is your GF, and she probably thought so a few hours after meeting you. So in this case, unless she is a psycho, buy her something nice, apologize, say that you had the time of your life with her and that you really like her. After a while with her and making her feel special and secure, that is when you suggest another threesome where you promise to respect her lead and put her #1.

You will have a much better time sexually with her than without her, and the trips I had with two and three woman in Cancun were among the most fun times I had in my life. What you do with that after your trip is up to you, but she does really like you like a GF would.

[Gfefan]

Germany is good depending on the city. While it is not like Madrid, I have found some keepers in Germany. The kind that refuses to take money but treats me like BF. There has also been some transactional high quotes in Frankfurt so, I did not go. So, bottom line. Wide spectrum but good collection.


I've searched the thread, but couldn't find enough meaningful details about how is SA in Germany? I've signed up without subscription just to check profiles. A lot of plastic trash, but also quite a lot adult, educated and stylish woman. On one hand I would love to meet with them, on another they might be way too expensive for me. Very interested to hear some recent experience in Germany, espeiclaly outside of Berlin.

[MiamiBoy1]

What do you suggest for Brazil?I've heard MeuPatrocinio is basically Brazilian Seeking with plenty of girls (they claim to have 5. 6 million registered sugar babies). But I have not had a chance to use it yet, maybe other posters who actually have tried it, would chime in.

[GoingDumb]

I don't recall your exact situation, but if you have anything to lose relationship wise, it's risky. Yes, it's comfortable and everything is at your finger tips. But if you're in the states (even without relationship luggage), if / when it goes sideways, I can't imagine a worse situation than agents / officers / goons / etc showing up at your door with claims of xyz / bad stuff with your girl. Or casing / robbing / trashing your place.

Sounds pessimistic, but you could have 99 great experiences and 1 that ruins your homebase. Or you have really good security at your condo (pseudo-sarcasm). Or you rent and can move ha.

F.

P.S. I have had some experience with the negative side of dealing with some women and sketchy people / situations. So not exactly imaginary haha.Nothing to lose relationship wise but valid points. Have had a negative experience at a hotel where I paid and the girl took off but obviously at home it'd be even worse. I was excited not to have to find a hotel but better safe than sorry.

[FilthyBeaver]

Met one very expensive girl in Frankfurt. Awesome company, good sex but the most I've ever paid and probably wouldn't do it again. In fact wouldn't because I had the chance. Aside from that very little action and lots of time wasters. That said, I'm not Caucasian, not unattractive but probably not what most girls are thinking about when they sign up. Plus I'm not local. Discussion has been had before but I think most girls want something more long term than a guy on a short business trip unless they're really desperate for money or are attracted to you.

Met a girl in Nuremberg from Spain who just wanted to bang and leave, thank you very much.

Met a girl in Munich for dinner but nothing else but still chat occasionally so who knows later definitely doable.

Probably chatted up 6 others that all ended up being time wasters.


I've searched the thread, but couldn't find enough meaningful details about how is SA in Germany? I've signed up without subscription just to check profiles. A lot of plastic trash, but also quite a lot adult, educated and stylish woman. On one hand I would love to meet with them, on another they might be way too expensive for me. Very interested to hear some recent experience in Germany, espeiclaly outside of Berlin.

[Chola]

Gfefan, you have become de facto #2 after Steve on this forum Is there a place you haven't been LOL? LOVED reading your recent reports especially the sports star o e. Keep it up man. I've started to write some reports but unlike Steve I hate writing haha. Hope to post Madrid, Lisbon and one other destination reports soon.


Germany is good depending on the city. While it is not like Madrid, I have found some keepers in Germany. The kind that refuses to take money but treats me like BF. There has also been some transactional high quotes in Frankfurt so, I did not go. So, bottom line. Wide spectrum but good collection.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 4 of my "Dating Tour"This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.

Part 1 (stats) is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep) is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid) is here (Steve's fav): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. First half) is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741&viewfull=1#post2845741.

Day 4 in Barcelona - the worst day of the tour

The Morning After

Some of you have correctly pointed out my mistakes. In my defense, this was my first threesome and I would say my biggest mistake was going into it without any prep. I should have googled "what to expect in your first threesome" or something along those lines before jumping into it. I tried asking Naz a couple of times but as I mentioned in the last post, she did not really offer anything concrete. So, I am a newbie to: casual sex, to seeking, to sugar relationships, to threesomes and almost a newbie to having a relationship/being with a girlfriend. And I was drunk and horny. Bad combination. I clearly am no Stud in this area. My only hope is that writing this down helps fellow mongers. Good luck!

So back to Barcelona and my state of mind then. I wake up late, text Naz to see how she is doing, and we decide to meet up for Brunch. I am frustrated at the situation, I don't understand what I did wrong and I hate that I am basically in a "relationship" on my so-called Dating / Sugar tour.

Also, at this point, I already owe her a good amount of money. Not just the sugar money / allowance, but money she spent on me for Uber Eats, buying tickets for some touristy things that somehow I couldn't buy etc. So I put the cash I owe her (allowance and the other stuff) in an envelope and take it to brunch. I also write a nice message on the envelope saying how much the time we spent together meant to me. We had discussed the allowance amount at some point yesterday (in the strip club of all places) and I had proposed an amount that she seemed happy about. But that amount (quite large) was assuming she would spend many more days with me.

At brunch, she tries to explain to me what behavior from me made her feel bad. Few things she called: a) I pinged girls for threesome before asking her, b) I made the first move on Laura, c) I fucked Laura without involving her and d) the stupid things I said. I start to understand, but I am still processing. We decided to give each other space for the time being. I tell her I owe her a lot of money, so I want to pay and put the envelope in her purse. She is pleasantly surprised and happy, especially since she is going through a bad time financially.

I spent the afternoon walking around Barcelona streets alone, enjoying the city. Found an erotic massage place nearby (Brahma massage) and got a session there (it was OK. I might have enjoyed it more if I had not experienced what I had experienced in the last 7 days or so. Haha).

Late afternoon, Naz and I are texting each other again. She thanks me again for the envelope and the message. But the situation doesn't seem to be improving. She can't seem to let go of what happened and how I made her feel. In my mind, I think she has developed feelings for me, and continuing this would be bad for both of us. So I gather some courage, and (like a coward) text her that we should be friends but I don't think we should have sex anymore. Few more back and forth texts happen, where she tries to convince me that it's not about sex (which I don't buy), we decide it is indeed best to break this off.

And that's the end of that story. Well, kinda. We still kept in touch over text as friends. Two days later, she gets sick and is hospitalized. I visited her in the hospital the next day, and a few more times until I left Barcelona. On the final day she cries when I am leaving. And we are still in touch as friends (and tease each other) even after I am back in the US (she is out of the hospital and doing well now). We talked about the incident a little and apart from the stupid things I did, she says she also over-reacted at that time.

Dear readers, I don't know if there is a moral to the story. Decide for yourself.

Day 4 night - WTF continues

After "breaking up" With Naz late afternoon, I attended some work meetings over VC from the hotel. Between meetings I restart my search for a post-Naz Barcelona dating tour. I ping Laura again (the threesome girl). She is happy to hear from me, but starts pushing for her "friend" Who lives closer to me. Proposes a threesome with her and her friend. But her friend is a bit chubby for my taste and I stay non-committal and explain to her that I would love to meet her instead. Turns out her friend is someone I was chatting with on SA / telegram (and she is much cuter / thinner in her pics SA) and the friend starts pinging me on telegram. Desperate for a plan, I decide to keep her as a fallback option and tell her that maybe we can meet at 10 pm after my meetings end. I am pinging other prospects on SA, and start getting some worthwhile leads.

At 9:45 pm, I get a ping from Laura's friend that she is outside the hotel! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. (Readers, learn more lessons from my failures / travails). I tell her that she should have pinged me before leaving for my place, how did she know where to come and that I can't meet her. She gets upset and demands 100 euros as cab money. I scoff at her and say bye. And then start getting messages from Laura. She is upset that I stood her friend up, and now is threatening me with "consequences" unless I pay her friend 200. She says will come to the hotel and tell the manager what I have been doing in their hotel. I brush that off. She says she is coming there with 3 guys to teach me a lesson. I get a bit worried, being alone in a strange country and all, but decide to keep my cool. She says she will go to the police and tell them that I paid for sex. I laugh it off. Then she says she will tell the police how I fucked someone underage (her). FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. At this point I start to get worried. She says that she lied about her age and it would have been my responsibility to check her ID before sex. And that I need to pay her friend 200 bucks for all the stress I caused her.

I am a bit scared at this point, but I take a deep breath and try to put two and two together. Clearly she is lying, because she tried many different ways to intimidate me and when nothing worked, she tried to intimidate me with this "underage" BS. I block her and her friend on telegram and SA, and decide to find someone else. And make a note: check the girls' ID next time if they look young!

Unfortunately, the night doesn't get any better. I finally get a date, a good 8/10, through SA and when we meet she turns out to be a 6/10. But she is interesting. Ukrainian and Polish mix, lived in Germany, Switzerland and Netherlands. Was a ballet dancer for 10 years, but broke her ankle badly, and since then tried a couple of professions (including being a stripper) and now works as a waitress in Barcelona.

After drinks and dinner, we decide to go to a strip club. She has a soft spot for strippers, so I am happy to indulge her. I pay the steep entrance fee (50 Euro per person), then a 60 Euro fee to get closer to the pole dance area. So far I have spent 150+ on her already. We are sitting at the strip club, enjoying the show and a hookah, when a stripper comes to chit-chat. She is not my type, so I politely decline her offers. But my date says we should go to the private room. Private room is 200 Euros, so I ask the stripper what happens there. She is vague, you know the usual, "oh honey, it's private, there will be champagne and we can have fun". I have seen this movie before, so I politely decline again. But my date is insistent. She really wants to do it. This time I firmly say No. I tell her I am happy to buy her a lap dance if she wants. But she likes this girl a lot and insists on going private. Keeps bugging me about it. About how I should really spend some money, about how I am being stingy etc. I am pissed. It's my money and she is not even asking for my opinion about the stripper. I tell her NO, and she says that she will go, and I say, please do. And she leaves.

Fuck her.

Fuck this day.

And Fuck this night.

I end the night with a lap dance from a girl who is my type and go to the hotel alone and end this fuckless day.

[IntBond0]

What's going on with the flakes on seeking? I have a bunch of girls that reached out to me agreed to meet me this summer, then when I arrive in their city or arrange their flights to come see me, they go ghost on me or leave me on read.

[AmericanPi]

This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post..That was a great read with my morno coffee.

You're stronger than me. At that underage comment I'd have caved and paid. Good on you for your lucidity.

The way you go about your travels is so much like how I do my European trips. In fact Barcelona was just like that except without the drama and the threesome. Lots of cat and mouse, highs and lows, wins and losses.

Great story.

[MiamiBoy1]

This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.


I end the night with a lap dance from a girl who is my type and go to the hotel alone and end this fuckless day.Good report, brother. Shit happens, but it's good that you have balls to say NO and not let these hoes decide for you. Good call not paying 200 for underage BS.

[VikPunter]

Kudos Intelligencium!!

Thanks for the efforts to share your stories in such detail. It gives mongers like me some inspiration to dive in while learning to avoid the same mistake.

To all,

I am planning a trip to Madrid. Any suggestions on high end hotels centrally located for restaurant meetups and with a worthy rooftop bar?


This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.

Part 1 (stats) is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep) is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid) is here (Steve's fav): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. First half) is here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741&viewfull=1#post2845741.

Day 4 in Barcelona - the worst day of the tour

The Morning After

Some of you have correctly pointed out my mistakes. In my defense, this was my first threesome and I would say my biggest mistake was going into it without any prep. I should have googled "what to expect in your first threesome" or something along those lines before jumping into it. I tried asking Naz a couple of times but as I mentioned in the last post, she did not really offer anything concrete. So, I am a newbie to: casual sex, to seeking, to sugar relationships, to threesomes and almost a newbie to having a relationship/being with a girlfriend. And I was drunk and horny. Bad combination. I clearly am no Stud in this area. My only hope is that writing this down helps fellow mongers. Good luck!

So back to Barcelona and my state of mind then. I wake up late, text Naz to see how she is doing, and we decide to meet up for Brunch. I am frustrated at the situation, I don't understand what I did wrong and I hate that I am basically in a "relationship" on my so-called Dating / Sugar tour.

Also, at this point, I already owe her a good amount of money. Not just the sugar money / allowance, but money she spent on me for Uber Eats, buying tickets for some touristy things that somehow I couldn't buy etc. So I put the cash I owe her (allowance and the other stuff) in an envelope and take it to brunch. I also write a nice message on the envelope saying how much the time we spent together meant to me. We had discussed the allowance amount at some point yesterday (in the strip club of all places) and I had proposed an amount that she seemed happy about. But that amount (quite large) was assuming she would spend many more days with me.

At brunch, she tries to explain to me what behavior from me made her feel bad. Few things she called: a) I pinged girls for threesome before asking her, b) I made the first move on Laura, c) I fucked Laura without involving her and d) the stupid things I said. I start to understand, but I am still processing. We decided to give each other space for the time being. I tell her I owe her a lot of money, so I want to pay and put the envelope in her purse. She is pleasantly surprised and happy, especially since she is going through a bad time financially.

I spent the afternoon walking around Barcelona streets alone, enjoying the city. Found an erotic massage place nearby (Brahma massage) and got a session there (it was OK. I might have enjoyed it more if I had not experienced what I had experienced in the last 7 days or so. Haha).

Late afternoon, Naz and I are texting each other again. She thanks me again for the envelope and the message. But the situation doesn't seem to be improving. She can't seem to let go of what happened and how I made her feel. In my mind, I think she has developed feelings for me, and continuing this would be bad for both of us. So I gather some courage, and (like a coward) text her that we should be friends but I don't think we should have sex anymore. Few more back and forth texts happen, where she tries to convince me that it's not about sex (which I don't buy), we decide it is indeed best to break this off.

And that's the end of that story. Well, kinda. We still kept in touch over text as friends. Two days later, she gets sick and is hospitalized. I visited her in the hospital the next day, and a few more times until I left Barcelona. On the final day she cries when I am leaving. And we are still in touch as friends (and tease each other) even after I am back in the US (she is out of the hospital and doing well now). We talked about the incident a little and apart from the stupid things I did, she says she also over-reacted at that time.

Dear readers, I don't know if there is a moral to the story. Decide for yourself.

Day 4 night - WTF continues

After "breaking up" With Naz late afternoon, I attended some work meetings over VC from the hotel. Between meetings I restart my search for a post-Naz Barcelona dating tour. I ping Laura again (the threesome girl). She is happy to hear from me, but starts pushing for her "friend" Who lives closer to me. Proposes a threesome with her and her friend. But her friend is a bit chubby for my taste and I stay non-committal and explain to her that I would love to meet her instead. Turns out her friend is someone I was chatting with on SA / telegram (and she is much cuter / thinner in her pics SA) and the friend starts pinging me on telegram. Desperate for a plan, I decide to keep her as a fallback option and tell her that maybe we can meet at 10 pm after my meetings end. I am pinging other prospects on SA, and start getting some worthwhile leads.

At 9:45 pm, I get a ping from Laura's friend that she is outside the hotel! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. (Readers, learn more lessons from my failures / travails). I tell her that she should have pinged me before leaving for my place, how did she know where to come and that I can't meet her. She gets upset and demands 100 euros as cab money. I scoff at her and say bye. And then start getting messages from Laura. She is upset that I stood her friend up, and now is threatening me with "consequences" unless I pay her friend 200. She says will come to the hotel and tell the manager what I have been doing in their hotel. I brush that off. She says she is coming there with 3 guys to teach me a lesson. I get a bit worried, being alone in a strange country and all, but decide to keep my cool. She says she will go to the police and tell them that I paid for sex. I laugh it off. Then she says she will tell the police how I fucked someone underage (her). FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. At this point I start to get worried. She says that she lied about her age and it would have been my responsibility to check her ID before sex. And that I need to pay her friend 200 bucks for all the stress I caused her.

I am a bit scared at this point, but I take a deep breath and try to put two and two together. Clearly she is lying, because she tried many different ways to intimidate me and when nothing worked, she tried to intimidate me with this "underage" BS. I block her and her friend on telegram and SA, and decide to find someone else. And make a note: check the girls' ID next time if they look young!

Unfortunately, the night doesn't get any better. I finally get a date, a good 8/10, through SA and when we meet she turns out to be a 6/10. But she is interesting. Ukrainian and Polish mix, lived in Germany, Switzerland and Netherlands. Was a ballet dancer for 10 years, but broke her ankle badly, and since then tried a couple of professions (including being a stripper) and now works as a waitress in Barcelona.

After drinks and dinner, we decide to go to a strip club. She has a soft spot for strippers, so I am happy to indulge her. I pay the steep entrance fee (50 Euro per person), then a 60 Euro fee to get closer to the pole dance area. So far I have spent 150+ on her already. We are sitting at the strip club, enjoying the show and a hookah, when a stripper comes to chit-chat. She is not my type, so I politely decline her offers. But my date says we should go to the private room. Private room is 200 Euros, so I ask the stripper what happens there. She is vague, you know the usual, "oh honey, it's private, there will be champagne and we can have fun". I have seen this movie before, so I politely decline again. But my date is insistent. She really wants to do it. This time I firmly say No. I tell her I am happy to buy her a lap dance if she wants. But she likes this girl a lot and insists on going private. Keeps bugging me about it. About how I should really spend some money, about how I am being stingy etc. I am pissed. It's my money and she is not even asking for my opinion about the stripper. I tell her NO, and she says that she will go, and I say, please do. And she leaves.

Fuck her.

Fuck this day.

And Fuck this night.

I end the night with a lap dance from a girl who is my type and go to the hotel alone and end this fuckless day.

[Intelligencium]

You're stronger than me. At that underage comment I'd have caved and paid. Good on you for your lucidity.I was shitting my pants too. I kept it brief in the report not to bore people, but I still remember that moment when I realized that if she is telling the truth and I don't pay, my life as I know may be over. My heart rate was beating fast and I was picturing cops showing up to the hotel, arresting me and then newspapers covering my case. The threat of goons was also scary because I was planning to leave the hotel to meet with the Ukranian+Polish girl and didn't want to get beaten up outside.

But I have dabbled in meditation and I decided to focus on my breathing and slow down the heart rate. In the worst case I would pay her and the money was not a major factor, but I thought let me think this through with a calm mind. Few things stood out:

1. She and her friend had hinted that they live with their parents. So she and her family would be dragged into this if she was really underage, and I don't think she would have risked all that for her friend getting stood up.

2. She used the underage tactic when nothing else worked, so clearly she was inventing stuff. And she didn't follow through on any of the other threats so far (going to hotel manager, coming with goons etc).

3. The telegram / whatsapp number I had was a burner e-sim. She also didn't have any of my face pics. She didn't know my real name. And although she may have remembered my room number, I doubted that.

I took a gamble. May be I should not have risked it and just paid her. But I get unreasonably annoyed at scam artists and decided to take a stance.

[Intelligencium]

I wish I was posting these reports live. I could have used this advice so much. Unfortunately, my reports are a month+ old, so all I can do is learn from the mistakes and from the advice you all give.

So as you will see in my Part 5 report, you were right. I should have let Naz lead the way.


Threesomes are tough sometimes to get but my rule was treat women the same if you meet them at the same time. If your woman initiates the threesome, then you both follow your woman's lead in this case that would be Naz. Laura is the sub and Naz is dominant so whatever Naz wants, she gets. You showed too much interest in Laura.

One of the issues when you see escorts so much or have your ego beaten down by your wife (in my case ex-wife), you actually get it into your head, that women could ONLY like you for money. With my gal, it took me like four months to understand that she really liked me and a bunch of shit tests to prove it.

I think I need to give that ex-pat who owned a restaurant in Brazil a name so let's call him Stan, and Stan said relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than in the USA. That is the rule of Stan. LOL.

So yeah, Naz thinks that she is your GF, and she probably thought so a few hours after meeting you. So in this case, unless she is a psycho, buy her something nice, apologize, say that you had the time of your life with her and that you really like her. After a while with her and making her feel special and secure, that is when you suggest another threesome where you promise to respect her lead and put her #1.

You will have a much better time sexually with her than without her, and the trips I had with two and three woman in Cancun were among the most fun times I had in my life. What you do with that after your trip is up to you, but she does really like you like a GF would.

[AmericanPi]

You are better than I.

I've shared this before but one time a crazy ***** was so crazy and crying and volatile that I gave her 700 dollars to just leave. No sex. Just to leave. I was scared she was going to accuse me of something just from sheer craziness and as a married guy I can't be getting entwined in that stuff. Just gave her the money to buy my way out of it.


I was shitting my pants too. I kept it brief in the report not to bore people, but I still remember that moment when I realized that if she is telling the truth and I don't pay, my life as I know may be over. My heart rate was beating fast and I was picturing cops showing up to the hotel, arresting me and then newspapers covering my case. The threat of goons was also scary because I was planning to leave the hotel to meet with the Ukranian+Polish girl and didn't want to get beaten up outside.

But I have dabbled in meditation and I decided to focus on my breathing and slow down the heart rate. In the worst case I would pay her and the money was not a major factor, but I thought let me think this through with a calm mind. Few things stood out:

1. She and her friend had hinted that they live with their parents. So she and her family would be dragged into this if she was really underage, and I don't think she would have risked all that for her friend getting stood up.

2. She used the underage tactic when nothing else worked, so clearly she was inventing stuff. And she didn't follow through on any of the other threats so far (going to hotel manager, coming with goons etc)..

[IntBond0]

US is all about platinum pussies.Yea man even the most average girl wants 500 and up.

I just had a Brazilian quote me 1 k for a few hours. She's 37 years old, that same chick would cost me $50 in Brazil.

[IntBond0]

It's the main sugar baby sight in the US & Around the world.

I have done good lately with sugar daddy meets as well, been back in the states 2 weeks & have hit 4 women between $250-350 off the site.

What is pricing like in Europe?, I'm very seriously thinking about retiring in Southern Spain & will want to have 1 main SB who I see a few times a month.What job do you do? I'm finishing an international business degree and want to be able to travel and still earn U. S dollars from the laptop or through on location work.

[Intelligencium]

Thanks! I get unreasonable when I am pissed. Luckily it worked out in this case.


Good report, brother. Shit happens, but it's good that you have balls to say NO and not let these hoes decide for you. Good call not paying 200 for underage BS.

[AluHut]

This is Part 5 of my "Dating Tour". I highly recommend reading at least Part 4 to get the context for this post.
At 9:45 pm, I get a ping from Laura's friend that she is outside the hotel! WHAT THE FUCK. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. (Readers, learn more lessons from my failures / travails). I tell her that she should have pinged me before leaving for my place, how did she know where to come and that I can't meet her. She gets upset and demands 100 euros as cab money. I scoff at her and say bye. And then start getting messages from Laura. She is upset that I stood her friend up, and now is threatening me with "consequences" unless I pay her friend 200. She says will come to the hotel and tell the manager what I have been doing in their hotel. I brush that off. She says she is coming there with 3 guys to teach me a lesson. I get a bit worried, being alone in a strange country and all, but decide to keep my cool. She says she will go to the police and tell them that I paid for sex. I laugh it off. Then she says she will tell the police how I fucked someone underage (her). FUCK. FUCK. FUCK. At this point I start to get worried. She says that she lied about her age and it would have been my responsibility to check her ID before sex. And that I need to pay her friend 200 bucks for all the stress I caused her.Just FYI, age of consent in Spain is 16. Almost entire EU is 16 or even lower. Did she really looked like she could be less than 16 ?

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However, the Age of Consent is irrelevant to the members of this forum.

What you need to focus on is the Age of Majority, which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

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[Elvis 2008]

Late afternoon, Naz and I are texting each other again. She thanks me again for the envelope and the message. But the situation doesn't seem to be improving. She can't seem to let go of what happened and how I made her feel. In my mind, I think she has developed feelings for me, and continuing this would be bad for both of us. So I gather some courage, and (like a coward) text her that we should be friends but I don't think we should have sex anymore. Few more back and forth texts happen, where she tries to convince me that it's not about sex (which I don't buy), we decide it is indeed best to break this off.

And that's the end of that story. Well, kinda. We still kept in touch over text as friends. Two days later, she gets sick and is hospitalized. I visited her in the hospital the next day, and a few more times until I left Barcelona. On the final day she cries when I am leaving. And we are still in touch as friends (and tease each other) even after I am back in the US (she is out of the hospital and doing well now). We talked about the incident a little and apart from the stupid things I did, she says she also over-reacted at that time...First off, pat yourself on the back. You got a super hot chick not just to like you but to totally fall for you. Celebrate that. It is a helluva an accomplishment.

I looked up Spain's law and they are a little more strict than Latin America's but there is a much different attitude in Latin America with rape. Outside of if you are married and your wife finding out, these women really have little power, but American men are so frightened they do not understand how often con men (or in this case women) roam the Latina world.

I was freaked out the first time I got threatened. By the third and fourth time, I blocked them and forgot about them in minutes. Saying I was under age, raped, got pregnant, going to trash you on social media, going to send these men over unless I get money is all extortion. They are the ones breaking the law not you. Kudos to you for not buckling but just know if you continue to play this game, these threats will happen again. What is much more important is really knowing what you want.

I think you might be defensive that a woman who really likes you might fuck up your marriage. I would not let that stand in your way. As you found out, someone who really likes you is less likely to hurt you. The best part of seeking is being with the ones who really like you. I would tread much more carefully in other countries but I was surprised how understanding women were to me when I told them I was married back when I was. Many women prefer a hands off, secure married guy to a needy single guy wanting to date them.

I get the need for finding "new pussy" but that "new pussy" search is typically going to be what you had, a disappointment. What I found is if I had three great SBs and rotated them and kept myself open to possible upgrades, that strong need for "new pussy" was greatly diminished. I loved my SBs but was not in love with them if you know what I mean.

Intelligencium, I do not know where you are at in your life, but the fun I had four wheeling, ziplining, swimming, seeing shows with my women was as much fun as the sex with them was. It can be a lot better going deeper with the good ones than searching for new.

The main thing to having success in the sugar world is really believing you can get hot women to like you for you, and you fucking did that! The world is your oyster now.

[Gfefan]

Yeah, this is step by step escalation tactic. Good you didn't relent.

I don't think paying for sex in Spain is illegal (most European countries are open unlike US).

At that point, I would have told her "try your luck. I will tell the police that you ran away with valuables from my room".


I was shitting my pants too. I kept it brief in the report not to bore people, but I still remember that moment when I realized that if she is telling the truth and I don't pay, my life as I know may be over. My heart rate was beating fast and I was picturing cops showing up to the hotel, arresting me and then newspapers covering my case. The threat of goons was also scary because I was planning to leave the hotel to meet with the Ukranian+Polish girl and didn't want to get beaten up outside.

But I have dabbled in meditation and I decided to focus on my breathing and slow down the heart rate. In the worst case I would pay her and the money was not a major factor, but I thought let me think this through with a calm mind. Few things stood out:

1. She and her friend had hinted that they live with their parents. So she and her family would be dragged into this if she was really underage, and I don't think she would have risked all that for her friend getting stood up.

2. She used the underage tactic when nothing else worked, so clearly she was inventing stuff. And she didn't follow through on any of the other threats so far (going to hotel manager, coming with goons etc).

3. The telegram / whatsapp number I had was a burner e-sim. She also didn't have any of my face pics. She didn't know my real name. And although she may have remembered my room number, I doubted that.

I took a gamble. May be I should not have risked it and just paid her. But I get unreasonably annoyed at scam artists and decided to take a stance.

[Akibono]

I was shitting my pants too. I kept it brief in the report not to bore people, but I still remember that moment when I realized that if she is telling the truth and I don't pay, my life as I know may be over. My heart rate was beating fast and I was picturing cops showing up to the hotel, arresting me and then newspapers covering my case. The threat of goons was also scary because I was planning to leave the hotel to meet with the Ukranian+Polish girl and didn't want to get beaten up outside.

But I have dabbled in meditation and I decided to focus on my breathing and slow down the heart rate. In the worst case I would pay her and the money was not a major factor, but I thought let me think this through with a calm mind. Few things stood out:

1. She and her friend had hinted that they live with their parents. So she and her family would be dragged into this if she was really underage, and I don't think she would have risked all that for her friend getting stood up.

2. She used the underage tactic when nothing else worked, so clearly she was inventing stuff. And she didn't follow through on any of the other threats so far (going to hotel manager, coming with goons etc).

3. The telegram / whatsapp number I had was a burner e-sim. She also didn't have any of my face pics. She didn't know my real name. And although she may have remembered my room number, I doubted that.

I took a gamble. May be I should not have risked it and just paid her. But I get unreasonably annoyed at scam artists and decided to take a stance.If you met these girls on SA, you have a measure of safety since they are supposed to check ages. Remember, this is a dating site, not an escort site. The site has more to fear as they can be shut down. I would have checked out of the hotel.

[Intelligencium]

What's going on with the flakes on seeking? I have a bunch of girls that reached out to me agreed to meet me this summer, then when I arrive in their city or arrange their flights to come see me, they go ghost on me or leave me on read.Did you seriously buy flight tickets for girls you had never met? That's one of the first no-nos that the experts on this forum will tell you. Never sponsor a trip with someone you haven't met before and didn't vibe with before.

Flakes are common. Girls get busy, or they meet someone else, or they change their mind. Scheduling is always a pain in the butt, so the advice has always been to have multiple girls in your shortlist.

[DramaFree11]

Did you seriously buy flight tickets for girls you had never met? That's one of the first no-nos that the experts on this forum will tell you. Never sponsor a trip with someone you haven't met before and didn't vibe with before.

Flakes are common. Girls get busy, or they meet someone else, or they change their mind. Scheduling is always a pain in the butt, so the advice has always been to have multiple girls in your shortlist.If you guys insist on Video Chat's prior to meeting, 90% of your issues will go away.

As far as threesomes, I only do these if I know at least one of the girls. Otherwise you are looking for trouble. Remember safety first and use good judgment in a foreign country.

[BlueMoon22]

SA is amazing. The only problem I've had is I've fallen too hard for 2 girls and then it can get quite expensive. 🤣 It's so easy to find beautiful women with SA though. US isn't as easy as other countries but still not that hard to find good ones. Trying to plan some trips for the next few months and it's amazing how good Madrid and other areas are. Madrid has legit models for 400-500 and they want you and message a lot. Thats where it differs a lot from US. I will say vegas girls on SA are ruthless tho and not really in a good way like Madrid, Paris, Germany, Mexico (yucatan). Was talking to a few different ones when I went last month and as soon as I touched down I had vegas girls calling my phone repeatedly and texting non stop. Found a couple good ones there too though.

[IntBond0]

SA is amazing. The only problem I've had is I've fallen too hard for 2 girls and then it can get quite expensive. 🤣 It's so easy to find beautiful women with SA though. US isn't as easy as other countries but still not that hard to find good ones. Trying to plan some trips for the next few months and it's amazing how good Madrid and other areas are. Madrid has legit models for 400-500 and they want you and message a lot. Thats where it differs a lot from US. I will say vegas girls on SA are ruthless tho and not really in a good way like Madrid, Paris, Germany, Mexico (yucatan). Was talking to a few different ones when I went last month and as soon as I touched down I had vegas girls calling my phone repeatedly and texting non stop. Found a couple good ones there too though.Girls in the you. S leave me on read the most, next to Poland. You. S girls don't make any effort to vibe with you, it's just what can you do for me I want arrangement.

[BlueMoon22]

If you met these girls on SA, you have a measure of safety since they are supposed to check ages. Remember, this is a dating site, not an escort site. The site has more to fear as they can be shut down. I would have checked out of the hotel.I don't think SA checks unless the girl wants to have ID verified checkmark by their name and then they submit ID to SA who has a 3rd party verify it.

[Steve 9696]

This is just a recount of a date earlier this week. I suppose it's only relevance to this forum is that this GF came from SA and I truly do consider her my GF. We've been together going on two years now! We have a bit of BFGF drama from time to time because it's progressed in that direction but I adore her despite her many faults and moods. And I miss her when I am off fucking hotties throughout the world. So the good ones are out there fellas. The other relevance is I've had several folks tell me they love reading stories like this. So consider it OT and skip forward if you like. Or enjoy. Your call. 😋.

My GF is the most amazing sexual partner ever. She's so enthusiastic and real and her BJ is top number one worldwide all time. No lie. Like off the charts good. 11 out of 10. And the "love connection" feels so great that it just pushes it over the top.

We had reunion sex last night, having been apart 2+ weeks and it was epic. It was date night so we knew it was on from minute 1. But we ordered some takeout and just cuddled and light kisses for about an hour while we waited for the food. I didn't want to get into it and have a hard stop when the food arrived.

During dinner I told her I was going to give her a great massage, so after dinner we retired to the bedroom. Having learned that clothes are an unnecessary impediment in the massage to sex transition (a new favorite for us) I stripped to my undies and she took off her shirt. She still had on her cute corduroy bootie shots with little anime animals on them.

I've gotten pretty good at massage and she always has big knots in certain places that I work. She loves this and sighs and groans and it seems only fair when I'm going to be sighing and groaning when I cum in her mouth in a bit!

After some quality massage I pull down her shorts and we get naked so I can grind my cock along her her ass crack while I massage. I do this a bit longer and stroking my dick up and down her crack in rhythm to the massage feels really great. I am hard as a brick now and ready for action.

I come around the side of the bed and she rolls on her side to put dick in mouth. As she does this she says "you didn't have to stop. You could just enter me from behind and keep going". Ah not a bad thought. Let's park that for now and have a lovely BJ.

Her BJ is really unparalleled. She recently incorporated this trick where she grabs your shaft UNDER your balls, which forces your balls up the shaft. And she's able to lick and suck balls and mouth on shaft and who knows what the fuck else all in one symbiotic relationship. It's mind blowing. I mean stunning.

We do this for quite some time and it feels truly epic to be inside her mouth. Several times she deep throat's to the hilt and does a few short in and out strokes. Wow. I'm def feeling some build but don't want to cum any time soon. Got to enjoy my goddess fully.

So I take her up on her idea of back massage while fucking. This is a new one for me! We get a pillow under her tummy else no way to enter while kneeling. We close her legs and put mine outside so I can sink down low and slide in. It is absolutely divine entering her after two weeks. She is always a little tighter and her gasp and sigh as I ease in just heightens the experience.

I start a good rhythm massaging her shoulders as I fuck her. This is kinda cool and fun as it's new, but honestly it's super hard to focus on massage with your dick in ecstasy. So I kinda lose the thread and stop massaging several times. But it was a fun experiment.

We flip her over to mish and she grabs the huge vibrator. It's a plug in, more like a massager size, so it's really not conducive to fucking mish. So really only after a few seconds of fucking but not deep enough I swing her around to the Steve. She likes being manhandled and let's out a little yelp as I drag her by the legs to the edge of the bed.

I ease in in this position, standing, her knees against her chest. Plenty of room for the vibrator on her clit and I can go fully deep. So much so that I put one knee up on the bed and keep one on the floor. This modified Steve position provides amazing depth and leverage.

We must fuck in this position for like 30 minutes I kid you not. She is forever on the edge of orgasm and truly having a wild time. One of the great things about the Steve position is that you can lean over and make out which we do several times. One thing new in particular stands out. I was leaning over and kissing her and she stuck her tongue out for me to suck on. I actually stopped fucking and just drove as deep inside as I could. As I sucked her tongue it was so sexy that I would get that blood rush to my cock and it would expand inside her. Each time I did she could feel it expand and would give out a little squeak. I kept sucking on her tongue and we musta done the expand and squeak thing three of four times. Felt amazing.

After that I got to fucking her really deep and hard and quite fast as I could feel she was starting to get close to the edge and saying don't stop I'm going to cum. So I just kept at it even tho I had sweat dripping off me —- and got the reward of a crashing serious real O. She clamped my hand with hers really hard for nearly a minute and it's funny but I was wondering if it could be fake. But then I realized she's curled her toes so tight against my chest that her toenails are digging in almost drawing blood! This was a serious earth shattering O.

She's of course lazing about in an amazing dick-fog but of course feeling quite happy to reciprocate. So I move to Steve2 - her on her side, dick in her mouth and my hand in her pussy. Her BJ is just sooooo amazing and she has cum so much that she has soaking wet pussy lips, so this combo is to die for.

I last as long as I can but prob less than five minutes. I feel the build and tell her I'm going to cum and she does her patented half and half. Takes some in her mouth but also just drags it across her lips letting it go where it may. I decorate her mouth area with some nice ribbons and she smiles up at me with cum glistening all around her mouth and dripping off her chin. What a girl! Sex with her is just legendary. Going to keep doing it as long as I can!

[The Cane]

I don't think SA checks unless the girl wants to have ID verified checkmark by their name and then they submit ID to SA who has a 3rd party verify it.ID check on SA is a joke, at least for the men it is. Plenty of guys here have fessed up (publicly and privately to me) to lying about their age on SA. And getting away with it. Men are lying (including about how much money they have), and so are the women (about age and other things).

[BlueMoon22]

ID check on SA is a joke, at least for the men it is. Plenty of guys here have fessed up (publicly and privately to me) to lying about their age on SA. And getting away with it. Men are lying (including about how much money they have), and so are the women (about age and other things).It's easy to lie when you sign up but if you want ID verified by your name you send them front and back picture of your license or pic of passport. The reason I know is I asked to change my age as I had it way wrong and they locked my account and said the only way to unlock it was to verify my ID.


I could be wrong but I am pretty sure you can't be ID verified without sending them your ID. Can you sign up and put any age you want? Yes.

[The Cane]

It's easy to lie when you sign up but if you want ID verified by your name you send them front and back picture of your license or pic of passport. The reason I know is I asked to change my age as I had it way wrong and they locked my account and said the only way to unlock it was to verify my ID.
I could be wrong but I am pretty sure you can't be ID verified without sending them your ID. Can you sign up and put any age you want? Yes.You see, when I initially signed up they wouldn't let me keep an active account unless I provided an official ID to verify my age. Out of the blue they locked the account shortly after I signed up (like within a day) and demanded that I provide ID. I really wanted to try SA, so I went ahead and did it and after all of that they still allowed me to use the initial age I provided for the account, which was a lie hahaha! This is how I know that SA ID verification is sloppy and cannot be trusted LOL! From my own personal experience with it. I don't know what the point of their demand was given I wasn't required to change anything (they didn't add "ID verified" to my account either though). Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy, sloppy! A well known poster here told me privately that he had a similar experience with SA.

When I was young, I lied about my age to get into Restricted-rated movies. And now that I'm older, I (like plenty of other men) lie about my age to attract younger women (women probably lie about their age even more than men do). And I get away with it all the time (I easily look up to 15 years younger than I am). So based on personal experience, I wouldn't trust an SA "verification" designation one iota LMAO! Because you see, I provided them with ID and they still allowed me to get one over! I will say it's the only thing I lied about. The rest of it, including income and wealth was the truth. Every single woman I met told me they just assume every profile is a total lie. Makes me wonder why they even choose to meet anyone then. Maybe because they've lying about stuff themselves LOL!

[AmericanPi]

Answer: for the guy who asked about ID verification, no. It's not required. I'm 8 years younger on SA than I am in real life.

Question: does anyone know of sites that are bigger than SA in their respective territories? Like if you want to go to X place, there's another site that's actually the default there?

[Steve 9696]

Answer: for the guy who asked about ID verification, no. It's not required. I'm 8 years younger on SA than I am in real life.

Question: does anyone know of sites that are bigger than SA in their respective territories? Like if you want to go to X place, there's another site that's actually the default there?For Brazil meu patricino is supposed to be good. I tried to sign up but you have to have Brazil IP to get payment page to work. I suppose a VPN would do the trick but I just used seeking and hit a grand slam so never bothered.

[BlueMoon22]

You see, when I initially signed up they wouldn't let me keep an active account unless I provided an official ID to verify my age. Out of the blue they locked the account shortly after I signed up (like within a day) and demanded that I provide ID. I really wanted to try SA, so I went ahead and did it and after all of that they still allowed me to use the initial age I provided for the account, which was a lie hahaha! This is how I know that SA ID verification is sloppy and cannot be trusted LOL! From my own personal experience with it. I don't know what the point of their demand was given I wasn't required to change anything (they didn't add "ID verified" to my account either though). Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy, sloppy! A well known poster here told me privately that he had a similar experience with SA.

When I was young, I lied about my age to get into Restricted-rated movies. And now that I'm older, I (like plenty of other men) lie about my age to attract younger women (women probably lie about their age even more than men do). And I get away with it all the time (I easily look up to 15 years younger than I am). So based on personal experience, I wouldn't trust an SA "verification" designation one iota LMAO! Because you see, I provided them with ID and they still allowed me to get one over! I will say it's the only thing I lied about. The rest of it, including income and wealth was the truth. Every single woman I met told me they just assume every profile is a total lie. Makes me wonder why they even choose to meet anyone then. Maybe because they've lying about stuff themselves LOL!How long ago was that? This was as recently as a couple months ago. Maybe they've tightened up now? All I know is I emailed and asked them to change my age and they locked my account until I provided ID. I submitted it to the 3rd party verification site and they unlocked my account, changed my age and gave me the blue ID verified check.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 6 of my Dating Tour Series.

Part 1 (stats): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. Naz and the threesome): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741#post2845741.

Part 5 (Barcelona. Worst day of the tour): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2846226&viewfull=1#post2846226.

Day 5

After the disaster that was the previous day, I decided to spend this day alone, on my own. I had tickets for Sagrada Familia in the afternoon (hard to get in peak season). Went there and was awed by it, especially the inside. The grandeur of the cathedral compelled me to contemplate, so I sat inside quietly for over an hour. Didn't have any major breakthroughs, but I felt at peace with everything and was happy I went there.

At night, after work, I decided to listen to some live music. And went to the famous Irish bar on La Rambla. Probably spent a good 2-3 hours there drinking and enjoying my own company, watching others dance and have fun. Towards the end, I noticed a hot girl leaving the dance floor after being accosted by many guys. She comes to me and asks if she could sit in the empty chair at my table. I said yes, and we started talking a bit. She is from Guadalajara, Mexico and is visiting a friend who she came with to this bar, and who has disappeared from the bar for a bit. I go to the bar to get her a drink. By the time I come back, her friend is back, and now both of them are getting mobbed by single guys trying to hit on them. I keep talking to her, and while she is replying, she is not fully engaged. Maybe because I told her my age, maybe she is not that interested, or maybe she is playing hard to get. Something inside me says fuck it. After having been with sugar babes who are so into me, I did not want to spend my time and energy trying to pick up a random girl in a bar. Given that she came with a local friend, the chances were slim anyways. I say bye to her, get a nice big hug from her (5 euros well spent on the beer) and go back to my hotel and sleep.

Day 6

I wake up late, visit Casa Mila in the afternoon and work in the evening. Decide to try SA today. Ping a couple of girls who are interested, but none of them can meet tonight. I finally find a 9/10 girl who is interested. Lets call her Patricia. When I offer 300, she scoffs and says "Sorry honey, I don't leave my house for anything less than 500". I am getting a semi-pro vibe at this point, but I was desperate after no fucks for 2 days, so I agree to 500. I have the money. She is hot and ready. So be it. I ask her to meet at a live jazz music bar, but when I get there I don't like the vibe of the place. She is still in her Uber, so I text her that we should probably change the venue. She has "connections" and is able to get us a table at one of the nicer restaurants. We finally meet there. Patricia is a Brazilian, has put on some weight compared to her pics, but she is still a good 8/10.

We talk, eat and drink a whole bottle of wine + one more glass each for a good 1. 5 hours at the restaurant. The restaurant starts turning into a nightclub at midnight, but no one bothers us because she has "connections". I tell her my plans for the rest of the Europe trip, which includes going to Amsterdam to see the red light district and the live-sex shows. She gets excited and says that she wants to see the live-sex shows too one day. I tell her that there is one place in Barcelona (called Bagdad) that does that and we can go if she wants to. She screams with joy and is ready and excited. We get a taxi to the place, on the way she tells me that she is texting a girlfriend who had always wanted to go see a live sex show to see if she wants to come along. Apparently the friend was sitting alone at home drinking wine and so she IS interested. I ask the taxi to take a small detour to her friend's place. At this point, I feel like I am being used (or rather my money is), but I am drunk and so far happy with her company, so I play along. When her friend joins, I get sandwiched between two hot girls in the backseat of a taxi. Her friend, lets call her Dana, is also Brazilian and slimmer and hotter than Patricia. Dana doesn't speak much english, but we are talking, laughing, flirting and there is an air of naughtiness all around.

After I pay a steep entry fee for Bagdad for the three of us, we sit down in the front row on a small stage waiting for the show to start. There are two other guys in the audience, but otherwise the place is empty with only strippers sitting at the bar getting bored. Overall the ambience was sad, but the three of us were excited and enjoying it. The show starts with some stripping and then some girl on girl action, at which point they point at us to participate. Patricia and I pull each other to the stage. One girl gets to work on me and another on Patricia. The girl pulls down my pants and underwear, starts stroking my dick and then puts on a condom and starts giving me a blow job. On a fucking stage. On a fucking rotating stage. On a fucking rotating stage in a dingy strip club for a live sex show. Hahaha. I love it. I have never done something like this before. I must attribute this lack of inhibitions to the wine because any more sober and I would never have done anything like that. Patricia on the stage also flashes her boobs, but she is back off stage soon. I get about a minute long blow job and get back on the seat after the song ends (without coming, LOL).

The next song has a man and woman fucking for 5 minutes in different positions, which is interesting. After that show, Patricia proposes that we leave, so we grab a taxi to my hotel. I am sandwiched again between the two hotties. We get to my hotel, pass the smiling guard to the elevator and then to the room. Dana uses the restroom and Patricia proposes a threesome (anyone surprised?) with some money for Dana. I tell her that I cannot spend another 500 on her, so we agree on 350 for Dana. Dear readers, that's a total of 850 euros + the 300 or so I spent in the strip club + whatever amount I spent on food, drinks and taxis. This threesome better be worth it.

AND. IT. WAS.

Since Patricia and Dana were friends already, this threesome was very different from my first threesome with Naz and Laura (in Part 4). Few major differences:

* I didn't have to worry about any etiquettes about who do I fuck first, when do I make what move etc etc.

* The girls were not kissing or fucking each other. Full focus from both of them was on me. I was ALWAYS kept busy.

* These girls were much more active than either Naz or Laura. They didn't wait for directions, they didn't need me to signal them what to do etc. They just did things the whole time and kept themselves busy.

Dana played some light music and the girls stripped to fully naked. Then they both came for me, Patricia taking my t-shirt off, while Dana taking my pants and underwear off. Then pushing me to the bed, Patricia kissed me while Dana started sucking my dick. Once hard, someone slipped a condom on it and Patricia started riding on it like a cowgirl, while Dana came up to me and I started kissing and then sucking her tits, and then slowly inserting my fingers in her pussy. After a few minutes of this, Dana brought her pussy to my mouth and I happily obliged. I think for the first time in my life I was fucking two pussies at the same time, one with my dick and one with my mouth. I am not sure when, but I came once while this all was going on, but none of the girls realized (because I didn't show). So at this point, they both think that I am such a stud that Patricia has been riding me hard for a while and I haven't come yet. They talk in portuguese a bit, and decide to swap. Patricia gets off my dick while Dana prepares to get on it. The condom is full of cum but it's a bit dark and they haven't noticed yet. I take the condom out the dick, throw it on the side and tell them to put on a new one. Patricia thinks that I am doing it because I am worried about their pussies sharing the same condom. LOL. I play along and say yes.

I am still hard, so it's back to work when the new condom is on. Dana starts riding me like a cowgirl and Patricia sits on my face. I see why they decided to swap. Dana's pussy is much tighter so they probably think I will come soon. Also, they are clearly trying to dominate me. This is all new experience for me, so I am taking it all in. After a little bit of riding me, Dana gets off and starts to try to jerk me off with her hands. Her technique is terrible, she is working my dick like a machine. I tell her to stop. She doesn't listen, so I tell Patricia to tell her to stop, at which point she does. I am a little annoyed, but still hard and horny. So I take charge, get off the bed, pull Patricia at the edge of the bed in doggy and pound her hard from the back. While doing that, I pull Dana towards me and try to kiss her. She kisses, but doesn't use tongue, which annoys me a bit. Patricia is a bit tired, so after a while she gets out of the position to catch a breath. I move Dana to the bed then, put a pillow below her and go hard on her in missionary. She is still not using tongue, so I am angry, but horny and want to keep fucking her even more. We are staring deep into each others eyes while fucking and she has that fuck face that I cannot forget. Then suddenly she slaps me. Damn. Fuck. But it's THAT kind of slap that gets me angrier and hornier, and tells me to go deeper and faster and harder. One more slap. I keep going. Then she moves one of my hands to her hair. So I pull her hair, while pounding her deeper and harder in a missionary position. Fuck that's a lot of hard work and I can't stay up with the support of only one hand. So I signal her to turn around. And I fuck her from back in a downward dog position while pulling her hair. Fucking her while listening to the rhythmic screams from her (ah, ah, ah), I finally come. I collapse on the bed catching my breath and taking it all in.

Clean ups happen. Then they leave with their pussies fucked and their purses stuffed. I fall asleep happy with scenes of another memorable and eventful night flashing before my eyes.

P.S. : Coming up, the end of Barcelona and a trip to Amsterdam.

[GoingDumb]

This is Part 6 of my Dating Tour Series.

Part 1 (stats): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. Naz and the threesome): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741#post2845741.

Part 5 (Barcelona. Worst day of the tour): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2846226&viewfull=1#post2846226.

Day 5

After the disaster that was the previous day, I decided to spend this day alone, on my own. I had tickets for Sagrada Familia in the afternoon (hard to get in peak season). Went there and was awed by it, especially the inside. The grandeur of the cathedral compelled me to contemplate, so I sat inside quietly for over an hour. Didn't have any major breakthroughs, but I felt at peace with everything and was happy I went there.

At night, after work, I decided to listen to some live music. And went to the famous Irish bar on La Rambla. Probably spent a good 2-3 hours there drinking and enjoying my own company, watching others dance and have fun. Towards the end, I noticed a hot girl leaving the dance floor after being accosted by many guys. She comes to me and asks if she could sit in the empty chair at my table. I said yes, and we started talking a bit. She is from Guadalajara, Mexico and is visiting a friend who she came with to this bar, and who has disappeared from the bar for a bit. I go to the bar to get her a drink. By the time I come back, her friend is back, and now both of them are getting mobbed by single guys trying to hit on them. I keep talking to her, and while she is replying, she is not fully engaged. Maybe because I told her my age, maybe she is not that interested, or maybe she is playing hard to get. Something inside me says fuck it. After having been with sugar babes who are so into me, I did not want to spend my time and energy trying to pick up a random girl in a bar. Given that she came with a local friend, the chances were slim anyways. I say bye to her, get a nice big hug from her (5 euros well spent on the beer) and go back to my hotel and sleep.

Day 6

I wake up late, visit Casa Mila in the afternoon and work in the evening. Decide to try SA today. Ping a couple of girls who are interested, but none of them can meet tonight. I finally find a 9/10 girl who is interested. Lets call her Patricia. When I offer 300, she scoffs and says "Sorry honey, I don't leave my house for anything less than 500". I am getting a semi-pro vibe at this point, but I was desperate after no fucks for 2 days, so I agree to 500. I have the money. She is hot and ready. So be it. I ask her to meet at a live jazz music bar, but when I get there I don't like the vibe of the place. She is still in her Uber, so I text her that we should probably change the venue. She has "connections" and is able to get us a table at one of the nicer restaurants. We finally meet there. Patricia is a Brazilian, has put on some weight compared to her pics, but she is still a good 8/10.

We talk, eat and drink a whole bottle of wine + one more glass each for a good 1. 5 hours at the restaurant. The restaurant starts turning into a nightclub at midnight, but no one bothers us because she has "connections". I tell her my plans for the rest of the Europe trip, which includes going to Amsterdam to see the red light district and the live-sex shows. She gets excited and says that she wants to see the live-sex shows too one day. I tell her that there is one place in Barcelona (called Bagdad) that does that and we can go if she wants to. She screams with joy and is ready and excited. We get a taxi to the place, on the way she tells me that she is texting a girlfriend who had always wanted to go see a live sex show to see if she wants to come along. Apparently the friend was sitting alone at home drinking wine and so she IS interested. I ask the taxi to take a small detour to her friend's place. At this point, I feel like I am being used (or rather my money is), but I am drunk and so far happy with her company, so I play along. When her friend joins, I get sandwiched between two hot girls in the backseat of a taxi. Her friend, lets call her Dana, is also Brazilian and slimmer and hotter than Patricia. Dana doesn't speak much english, but we are talking, laughing, flirting and there is an air of naughtiness all around.

After I pay a steep entry fee for Bagdad for the three of us, we sit down in the front row on a small stage waiting for the show to start. There are two other guys in the audience, but otherwise the place is empty with only strippers sitting at the bar getting bored. Overall the ambience was sad, but the three of us were excited and enjoying it. The show starts with some stripping and then some girl on girl action, at which point they point at us to participate. Patricia and I pull each other to the stage. One girl gets to work on me and another on Patricia. The girl pulls down my pants and underwear, starts stroking my dick and then puts on a condom and starts giving me a blow job. On a fucking stage. On a fucking rotating stage. On a fucking rotating stage in a dingy strip club for a live sex show. Hahaha. I love it. I have never done something like this before. I must attribute this lack of inhibitions to the wine because any more sober and I would never have done anything like that. Patricia on the stage also flashes her boobs, but she is back off stage soon. I get about a minute long blow job and get back on the seat after the song ends (without coming, LOL).

The next song has a man and woman fucking for 5 minutes in different positions, which is interesting. After that show, Patricia proposes that we leave, so we grab a taxi to my hotel. I am sandwiched again between the two hotties. We get to my hotel, pass the smiling guard to the elevator and then to the room. Dana uses the restroom and Patricia proposes a threesome (anyone surprised?) with some money for Dana. I tell her that I cannot spend another 500 on her, so we agree on 350 for Dana. Dear readers, that's a total of 850 euros + the 300 or so I spent in the strip club + whatever amount I spent on food, drinks and taxis. This threesome better be worth it.

AND. IT. WAS.

Since Patricia and Dana were friends already, this threesome was very different from my first threesome with Naz and Laura (in Part 4). Few major differences:

* I didn't have to worry about any etiquettes about who do I fuck first, when do I make what move etc etc.

* The girls were not kissing or fucking each other. Full focus from both of them was on me. I was ALWAYS kept busy.

* These girls were much more active than either Naz or Laura. They didn't wait for directions, they didn't need me to signal them what to do etc. They just did things the whole time and kept themselves busy.

Dana played some light music and the girls stripped to fully naked. Then they both came for me, Patricia taking my t-shirt off, while Dana taking my pants and underwear off. Then pushing me to the bed, Patricia kissed me while Dana started sucking my dick. Once hard, someone slipped a condom on it and Patricia started riding on it like a cowgirl, while Dana came up to me and I started kissing and then sucking her tits, and then slowly inserting my fingers in her pussy. After a few minutes of this, Dana brought her pussy to my mouth and I happily obliged. I think for the first time in my life I was fucking two pussies at the same time, one with my dick and one with my mouth. I am not sure when, but I came once while this all was going on, but none of the girls realized (because I didn't show). So at this point, they both think that I am such a stud that Patricia has been riding me hard for a while and I haven't come yet. They talk in portuguese a bit, and decide to swap. Patricia gets off my dick while Dana prepares to get on it. The condom is full of cum but it's a bit dark and they haven't noticed yet. I take the condom out the dick, throw it on the side and tell them to put on a new one. Patricia thinks that I am doing it because I am worried about their pussies sharing the same condom. LOL. I play along and say yes.

I am still hard, so it's back to work when the new condom is on. Dana starts riding me like a cowgirl and Patricia sits on my face. I see why they decided to swap. Dana's pussy is much tighter so they probably think I will come soon. Also, they are clearly trying to dominate me. This is all new experience for me, so I am taking it all in. After a little bit of riding me, Dana gets off and starts to try to jerk me off with her hands. Her technique is terrible, she is working my dick like a machine. I tell her to stop. She doesn't listen, so I tell Patricia to tell her to stop, at which point she does. I am a little annoyed, but still hard and horny. So I take charge, get off the bed, pull Patricia at the edge of the bed in doggy and pound her hard from the back. While doing that, I pull Dana towards me and try to kiss her. She kisses, but doesn't use tongue, which annoys me a bit. Patricia is a bit tired, so after a while she gets out of the position to catch a breath. I move Dana to the bed then, put a pillow below her and go hard on her in missionary. She is still not using tongue, so I am angry, but horny and want to keep fucking her even more. We are staring deep into each others eyes while fucking and she has that fuck face that I cannot forget. Then suddenly she slaps me. Damn. Fuck. But it's THAT kind of slap that gets me angrier and hornier, and tells me to go deeper and faster and harder. One more slap. I keep going. Then she moves one of my hands to her hair. So I pull her hair, while pounding her deeper and harder in a missionary position. Fuck that's a lot of hard work and I can't stay up with the support of only one hand. So I signal her to turn around. And I fuck her from back in a downward dog position while pulling her hair. Fucking her while listening to the rhythmic screams from her (ah, ah, ah), I finally come. I collapse on the bed catching my breath and taking it all in.

Clean ups happen. Then they leave with their pussies fucked and their purses stuffed. I fall asleep happy with scenes of another memorable and eventful night flashing before my eyes.

P.S. : Coming up, the end of Barcelona and a trip to Amsterdam.Good reports man! Were you looking for brazilians specifically?

[GoingDumb]

My sildenafil rx ran out so asked the doc for a tadalafil / cialis one instead. Doc said I could try but I only got 8 pills. Is that because it's just a trial? My sildenafil was 20 or 30 20 MG pills but I guess if you're taking 3 at a time for 60 MG it's about the same (8-10 total).

[AluHut]

My sildenafil rx ran out so asked the doc for a tadalafil / cialis one instead. Doc said I could try but I only got 8 pills. Is that because it's just a trial? My sildenafil was 20 or 30 20 MG pills but I guess if you're taking 3 at a time for 60 MG it's about the same (8-10 total).Don't do that, tadalafil has a lower dosage, start with 10 MG. It also lasts much longer than sildenafil, up to 24 hours.

[Steve 9696]

Don't do that, tadalafil has a lower dosage, start with 10 MG. It also lasts much longer than sildenafil, up to 24 hours.Cialis lasts up to three days. I'the say even longer for me. Tho I usually want peak hardness and dose again after two. And yeah. Don't take more than 10 MG.

[GoingDumb]

Don't do that, tadalafil has a lower dosage, start with 10 MG. It also lasts much longer than sildenafil, up to 24 hours.I was only going to take one 5 MG. But was wondering if the qty I got (8) was normal or not. If I took a few a week I'd need a refill pretty fast.

[Steve 9696]

I was only going to take one 5 MG. But was wondering if the qty I got (8) was normal or not. If I took a few a week I'd need a refill pretty fast.10 MG is standard dosage. I'the consider that and see if it holds you a few days. Or try five and see if it works. And augment if not.

But yeah 8 5 MG pills won't last long depending on your sitch. But 10 MG should last up to three days.

[Intelligencium]

Good reports man! Were you looking for brazilians specifically?Thanks! LOL, no I wasn't looking for Brazilians only, but I guess somehow the two threesomes I had (ever) involved Brazilian girls. What are the odds of that?!

[AluHut]

I was only going to take one 5 MG. But was wondering if the qty I got (8) was normal or not. If I took a few a week I'd need a refill pretty fast.I live in EU, we don't have refills, but rather standard packs of drugs. One drug that I take daily is sold in 100 or even 200 tablet packs. The biggest option I've seen for viagra / cialis is 24 tablets for generic. For original 10-12, and it starts with just 4. So I guess that's sorta the norm, they probably assume that "old guys" fuck once a month or something. And 5mg exists in larger packs because it's used for hypertension treatment and you take it daily, further reaffirming this.

[BlueMoon22]

Well I had a good run of not having any bad experiences on SA other than a chick I fell for and we were kind of a thing for awhile which was more relationship than SA and I still got laid the last time we were together at least.

To start off I found this chick a couple months ago and we chatted a bit on SA and then moved to snap. Absolutely smoking hot. Damn near a dime piece. Only problem is we would talk on snap off and on but she always wanted to sell pics and I was like no I want to meet and she was like sure we can but then would disappear. I had 4 other SA chicks I've seen between when we talked at first and tonight. My college chick has been too busy to meet the last week and said "maybe" next week so decided to pursue this chick again. Same shit last night and today we chatted some and "hey want to buy some pics" I say maybe but I'd rather just see you. So I just cut the BS and say I'm going to be out of town unless you want to meet then I will stay around and she says she is free today or tomorrow. She says 300 to meetup or 500 for intimacy and she specifies 1 hour (I'm usually not cool with this for SA but I'm horny and she's smoking fucking hot early 20's. I know I will probably get scolded for this but she was down for BB / CIP / MSOG (even tho it was strictly 1 hour I knew I could get off two with her BB). She later ups her asking to 600 and I don't really care at this point it's just whatever if I get to BB and CIP with her and my other chicks failing me or that time of the month.

We are about 2. 5 hours apart so we discussed meeting somewhere in the middle and decide on somewhere that's more like me driving 3/4 to her. I tell her tomorrow is probably better but she pushes for today / tonight so I rush around and get some things done to get ready to go and book a room at a casino hotel and tell her (figure I will play some cards after since it's only an hour meet). She confirms the address with me and I tell her I will let her know when I'm an hour out so she can take off and we arrive around the same time. She says ok that is good and asks me if they have a paring garage as her car has been broken into before and its the number 1 most stolen car in her area and I tell her it is fine and they have valet if she would feel more comfortable with that but I'm not messing with and not worried about and my car is worth a lot more than hers (I didn't tell her that of course because I'm not a dick). So a bit into the drive she is like so $500 for 1 hour right?? I say yes as that's what she said earlier before she briefly went to 600 but I find it odd she didn't even remember that.

Then I get even further into the drive and she asks if I want to buy the pink bodysuit she is going to wear for $50 as some guys like to buy what she wears. I tell her I don't know I never really thought about it. Next she messages me as I am about 30-40 min out or so and she says AGAIN "$500 for 1 hour right?" Then she says I want the money as soon as we get in the room and I don't do that. Ever. Never have. She then asks me to send her a picture of me right now as she thinks I am going to scam her? WTF? So I send her a snap video of me talking to her showing her the road and then send a pic of the cash I brought. She says "I thought you wanted to use venmo" and I messaged back I was going to but ran by the ATM as I figured she'd rather have cash. So at this point I am thinking she is either going to A. Take the 500 and walk out the room as soon as I give it to her or be. With LE or something and then I contemplate telling her hey I'll cashapp you 100 and we will just call it off. But my gut tells me she isn't with LE as she's tried selling me nudes for 2 months off and on and has sent me some regular pics. I message her and say hey why don't we grab a drink first and get comfortable with each other and just chat for a few minutes before. She says no I don't drink and I ask if she wants to check in with me or already be checked in. She says she will check in with me. Ok fine. At this point I'm 5-10 min ahead of her and ask if she wants me to wait for her in the parking lot or go in and wait for her to check in. She says go ahead and go in the lobby.

So I arrive and I already know this whole thing is going south at this point but fuck it I'm here. Casino parking lot is well lit. Security at every entrance and not worried about my car in the least. I am walking in and see a black car pull in and see her (99% sure it's her but keep going in as that's what she wanted) so I get in the lobby and tell her I am there. Couple minutes later she walks in and looks beautiful and a nice low cut top and we say Hello, and give a little hug and I kiss her on the forehead and we go and get checked in. At this point I am thinking well maybe it's going to work out after all. We are walking thru the hotel and it has a waterfall in the center and looks decent and she is like wow this is pretty nice. We go up the elevators and get to our floor and she is like no I think we are on the ground floor (at this point I am like wtf is she talking about its on the 4th floor and the guy at the desk told us where the elevator was and I point to the room number on the key thing and show her the numbers on the wall and say it's this way I think and she says oh yeah I guess it is.

Next we get to the room and go in. It's pitch black and cold as fuck. Finally find some lights and she is looking around and is like I always like to look around at rooms and stuff. We chat just a couple minutes but I am thinking about the clock at this point as she told me she picked up a double shift at her job and is going there right after and brought her scrubs along and will be working 16 hours. Not thinking clearly (I guess because I have a smoking hot chick in my room and think everything is cool I go ahead and get out the money and give it to her and tell her I've never done that but I don't want her to worry about and am thinking everything is good anyways). So she sits on the bed and I tell her I need to go pee and I go to pee and we keep talking a bit and I come out and she tells me she is really worried about her car and it getting broken into or stolen (I really believe this as she told me that before worrying about her car but she's obviously got something wrong with her or on drugs) but whatever I lean in and hug her and sit down on the bed with her. She keeps going on and on about her car and not feeling safe in this area (BMWs, range rovers and all kinds of other nice cars in the lot and not even all the way dark yet). At this point I am thinking wow this is really going to happen she's going to walk out the door with me and take my 500 and leave. She proceeds to say something about she's sorry she's just not comfortable and is so scared and worried about her car and it's giving her anxiety and she doesn't think she can do anything and the area is so bad she just can't get comfortable. When she is like that she can't relax or something which was basically saying she isn't having sex.

Sooooo she finally just stands up and says I'm sorry I am just so worried about my car and keeps repeating the same line over and over and I say so you don't want to do anything? She says no I just can't when I am not comfortable I just can't have anything happen to my car. I am seriously about to say if your car is stolen I will buy you another fucking car at this point as I saw what she drove in with but I am not a dick and always treat women with respect and never get mad with them. She wasn't feeling it that's fine.

Plot twist for all of those reading I know everyone is thinking she is walking out with the money and I do too. She says I just am not comfortable this area isn't safe. Do you want your money back? I will give your money back if you want. I just say I really just wanted to have some fun with you is what I wanted and she says I know and repeats the same old shit. She asks me about 5 different times if I want my money back and says she would be glad to give it to me (but not digging it out of purse yet) and we can meet again in another city that I forget the name of. So she finally asks me again and I say yes I want it back. I said I want to help you (needs rent money, car payment just the usual shit you hear). So she gets it out and says she had 92 dollars in her wallet before and she starts trying to count it and kept coming up with 492 and I said no I gave you 500. I got 400 from ATM and counted it when I left there and had another 100 I tossed in with the 20's. She counts it 3 times and I see her fucking it up but don't want her to feel stupid and I say let me count it. I count out 592 and say here is your 92 you kept counting of by 100. So I pocket my money and we both stand up and she says some stuff and starts to leave and I say hey are you going to wait for me so we can walk out together I need to put on my shoes and she waits and we walk out together and I'm like let me walk with you in the parking lot so you are safe (8 pm with security everywhere so my comment was dripping with sarcasm) and we walk to her car. Hug, say glad we got to meet even though it was short and I show her the way out and say we might need our room key to get out so you can follow me out if you want. I point to my car and say that's my car just follow me and I will tell them you are with me. 🤣.

So I get down the road a bit and message her and tell her sorry it didn't work out and I wish I would have picked a nicer area (it was fine for a 1 hour fuck or overnight for that matter it was a casino) and I wanted to help her with that money but didn't know what to do. She tells me of course she wanted the money because she is broke right now but she was uncomfortable. Which is fair I suppose because I was super uncomfortable too because of her sketchiness but after we got to the room and all seemed well I was fine and ready to fuck. Then she asks me if I mind sending the $100 (referring to the 100 I talked about on the way there when I was going to just cancel I guess) and at this point I'm just like whatever she could have walked out of the room with my 500 and I couldn't have done a damn thing and she gave it back. I know she didn't want to give it back as many times as she said I can give you your money back and wanted me to just tell her to keep it. So I tell her sure if she sends me some good nudes I will do it. 🤣129315;129315; She sent me like 5 pics rapid fire before I even sent her money. I sent her 100 and she said thank you and she was sorry. Told her I'd still like to see her again somewhere else if she wanted to another time and she said yes she would. No fucking way I'll go see her again though.

Told her after she sent the pics that I was even more disappointed how it turned out because of how hot she is and she said "thank you! I wanted to do it, I just didn't feel comfortable, I'm broke so I should have done it but I don't know" and her rent is 1500 in a couple days and her car payment too but she didn't feel comfortable. Just BSing with her I said should we try again tomorrow? And she said she is working tomorrow. I said oh yeah you are working a double starting tonight so you will be ready to sleep when you get off tomorrow I am sure (caught her in a lie a bit) and she just said "yeah".

Cliffs notes? Usually go with your gut instinct. Or if you see numerous giant red flags waving just say fuck it and turn around no matter how hot she is and how horny you are. 😂.

Side note I am glad I stopped by the ATM because had I cashapped her the money when we got in the room I guarantee that shit wasn't coming back or most likely not coming back.

TBH I am still a bit shell shocked and bummed about it. I am 99% it wasn't anything to do with me but it hurts my ego some thinking it could have been me. I am a decent looking guy and I think one member here who has seen me would agree I'm a decent looking guy (no gay) and I was nothing but polite to her. The biggest problem with this whole situation was we never really had any dialogue or meaningful convos before this spur of the moment meet. Shouldn't have mattered but the messages after I booked the room and while I was on the drive there should have been discussed beforehand. Thats why I am pretty sure it wasn't me as there was some tension 45 minutes before we met about money (her thinking I was scamming her), her worrying about her car before we ever met and always blowing of me saying I wanted to meet her until today. She admitted in the room meetings always sketch her out (maybe looking in the wrong place for extra money then) and one guy she met had his tags expired on his car for a year and that really was weird to her and made her think he was sketchy.

Wasted about $300 between hotel and what I sent her and was annoyed enough didn't even go to the casino just said fuck it and drove home and ranting to my friends here.

We were in the room prob 15-20 min and in that time explaining worrying about getting her car back she could have gave me a BJ or let me CIP and she could have got back to her car. Oh well. A bit confused and bummed. Sorry for the long post. Oddly enough my two worst experiences are the ones I write the most about for some reason. The good shit I rarely even post about or talk about. Good luck friends.

[BlueMoon22]

My sildenafil rx ran out so asked the doc for a tadalafil / cialis one instead. Doc said I could try but I only got 8 pills. Is that because it's just a trial? My sildenafil was 20 or 30 20 MG pills but I guess if you're taking 3 at a time for 60 MG it's about the same (8-10 total).I prefer viagra. Not sure why. I have both and have used both. If you know when it's going to go down 1000% prefer viagra. If it's going to be a few days and you aren't sure when it might happen then cialis is a better choice. I take 75 MG viagra when I take it. Don't need it but makes second round easy without much rebound time at all. 5 MG cialis doesn't do a lot for me. 7. 5 is ok. Haven't tried 10.

[Bhamsookh1]

Hello brethren, if there are any leads for Valencia and Seville in Spain then kindly DM me, many thanks.

I'd prefer someone who is white and without tan.

[Bhamsookh1]

Hello brethren, if there are any leads for Valencia and Seville in Spain then kindly DM me, many thanks.

I'd prefer someone who is white and without tan.

[Midwestern]

I read every word of your report. Many guys will relate. Something similar has happened to all of us. We will all waste some time and money doing what we do.


Well I had a good run of not having any bad experiences on SA other than a chick I fell for and we were kind of a thing for awhile which was more relationship than SA and I still got laid the last time we were together at least.

To start off I found this chick a couple months ago and

TBH I am still a bit shell shocked and bummed about it.

[AmericanPi]

Well I had a good run of not having any bad experiences on SA other than a chick I fell for and we were kind of a thing for awhile which was more relationship than SA and I still got laid the last time we were together at least…..
Good luck friends.Man that's a crazy time. Uneventful yet somehow riveting story.

You know, you got to have the bad times to contrast the good ones. It makes the good ones worth it. Like you got to have a bad steak to appreciate a good one.

She sounded like she was on drugs from her insistences, repetitiveness, and intense focus on odd things. Fwiw when with a crazy girl, you're better off cutting bait. You don't know what crazy girls are capable of and you don't really want to find out. I fear for baseless accusations, stalking, threats, etc. I have a girl I banged in London who keeps messaging me and I'm afraid to not respond because I think she'll go off the rails. It can be scary.

[BlueMoon22]

Man that's a crazy time. Uneventful yet somehow riveting story.

You know, you got to have the bad times to contrast the good ones. It makes the good ones worth it. Like you got to have a bad steak to appreciate a good one.

She sounded like she was on drugs from her insistences, repetitiveness, and intense focus on odd things. Fwiw when with a crazy girl, you're better off cutting bait. You don't know what crazy girls are capable of and you don't really want to find out. I fear for baseless accusations, stalking, threats, etc. I have a girl I banged in London who keeps messaging me and I'm afraid to not respond because I think she'll go off the rails. It can be scary.I worry about this too now even though we never did anything. She messaged me this morning and asked if I could send her money for groceries today. I am not sure if I should block her on snap and SA or what?

[BlueMoon22]

I read every word of your report. Many guys will relate. Something similar has happened to all of us. We will all waste some time and money doing what we do.

.Yeah I've been lucky I guess and never had a date flake on me like that. And this morning messaging me and asking for money for groceries and says please and sends a heart.

[BlueMoon22]

I didn't answer when she asked for money for groceries but opened the message and 30 or so min later she messaged me again and I let it sit for 20-30 minutes and opened it and she said "Babe?" so I just deleted / blocker her on SA and Snap. Nothing good was going to come from her still contacting me or me stringing it along I don't think. Shitty situation and didn't know what to do other than delete her.

[Steve 9696]

Hello brethren, if there are any leads for Valencia and Seville in Spain then kindly DM me, many thanks.

I'd prefer someone who is white and without tan.I know we all differ culturally and some countries have this practice of passing around girls like they are poker chips or something. They are not. Most of the guys on this Seeking thread are after real girls with connection. And at the very least have done a shit ton of work separating the bad from the good. So of course each to his own but I suggest you do the work like the rest of us and get on Seeking and invest some time.

[Steve 9696]

So I just want to give a shout out to Blue Moon for posting his harrowing epic. It is of course a good warning to all of us that red flags are red for a reason! But I also know about his successes. Which have been legendary. He doesn't post much but he is slaying some serious pussy both locally and abroad on SA. So don't take his post to be indicative of the SA scene. You can't bat 1000 forever!

[BlueMoon22]

So I just want to give a shout out to Blue Moon for posting his harrowing epic. It is of course a good warning to all of us that red flags are red for a reason! But I also know about his successes. Which have been legendary. He doesn't post much but he is slaying some serious pussy both locally and abroad on SA. So don't take his post to be indicative of the SA scene. You can't bat 1000 forever!Thanks for the post man. Yes, for some reason I don't post much or talk in length about my good stories (I guess because they seem normal) but bad ones like this I remember and type every detail. Steve got a longggg message about the other bad one. With the other one it wasn't anything like this. We had met before and met again on a destination vacay and and she was just cold after the first night the next 2 nights and no more sex.

SA is amazing (even more so abroad) and can make some great relationships / arrangements / friendships whether they be ongoing or just once. Just don't ignore red flags. I did and it was dumb. She was just so damn beautiful and I was in a funk and she was waving red flags everywhere and I'm driving to see her like I'm Ray Charles. My only excuse is the biggest red flags didn't come until I was getting close to there. Still should have just turned around and figured it would be a fail.

[Gfefan]

Thanks for the story. Redflags learning.

I had one in France. Pretty similar but definitely not on drugs.

Moroccan and super hot. Gosh, I'd love to fuck her. When we have those super fuckables is when we let our judgement slip. I lost 200 EUR that day but she kept at me. That was a learning experience and since then. I can proudly say "Not a single penny wasted. In fact. I continue to have epic fucks at 300 EUR in Europe".

We all learn and grow in this trade. Thanks for sharing.


Thanks for the post man. Yes, for some reason I don't post much or talk in length about my good stories (I guess because they seem normal) but bad ones like this I remember and type every detail. Steve got a longggg message about the other bad one. With the other one it wasn't anything like this. We had met before and met again on a destination vacay and and she was just cold after the first night the next 2 nights and no more sex.

SA is amazing (even more so abroad) and can make some great relationships / arrangements / friendships whether they be ongoing or just once. Just don't ignore red flags. I did and it was dumb. She was just so damn beautiful and I was in a funk and she was waving red flags everywhere and I'm driving to see her like I'm Ray Charles. My only excuse is the biggest red flags didn't come until I was getting close to there. Still should have just turned around and figured it would be a fail.

[Gfefan]

I couldn't have said this better. Thanks, Steve for holding a high standard.


I know we all differ culturally and some countries have this practice of passing around girls like they are poker chips or something. They are not. Most of the guys on this Seeking thread are after real girls with connection. And at the very least have done a shit ton of work separating the bad from the good. So of course each to his own but I suggest you do the work like the rest of us and get on Seeking and invest some time.

[BlueMoon22]

Thanks for the story. Redflags learning.

I had one in France. Pretty similar but definitely not on drugs.

Moroccan and super hot. Gosh, I'd love to fuck her. When we have those super fuckables is when we let our judgement slip. I lost 200 EUR that day but she kept at me. That was a learning experience and since then. I can proudly say "Not a single penny wasted. In fact. I continue to have epic fucks at 300 EUR in Europe".

We all learn and grow in this trade. Thanks for sharing.She may or may not have been on drugs. I assume so with her behavior but she could also just be crazy. Either way was not a fun time and in the end glad we never did anything in bed. But yes she was super fucking hot.

Did you keep dishing her money after? And met and didn't hook up?

I'm still mind blown she asked for money this morning for groceries and didn't mention anything about last night.

[Gfefan]

No. I did not dish money.

First meet and greet. Went great. And, we had agreed previously that even if we had chemistry, no time to fuck that night because of her work. So we met, we had a great dinner. I picked up tab.

A week later. First mistake. I set up a Saturday Brunch. Wanted a lazy afternoon fuck. Second mistake, at brunch gave into her drama of car tires needing replacement. She was heading to workshop, pick up car and drive to me. Apologizes later that afternoon that she got stuck.

Following week. Starts talking monthly allowance of 2000 EUR. Politely but firmly refused. You first got to let me fuck you. Then, ppm. Cardinal rule.

Then, few weeks of messages, random asks for "hey, I got stuck here. Could you help blah. Blah". I did not budge. Cock in pussy, money in purse.

Then, went out of touch.

This last Europe trip, she messages me from a different profile. She recognizes me and wants to meet again.

I said "sweetie, happy to if we agree to take to bedroom. And, BTW, I will adjust for the damn 200 I paid you 3 years ago". She went quiet.

I met my Sports superstar.


She may or may not have been on drugs. I assume so with her behavior but she could also just be crazy. Either way was not a fun time and in the end glad we never did anything in bed. But yes she was super fucking hot.

Did you keep dishing her money after? And met and didn't hook up?

I'm still mind blown she asked for money this morning for groceries and didn't mention anything about last night.

[GoingDumb]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.

[Intelligencium]

Good luck friends.That sucks man. Especially because you drove so much to meet her, and she even showed up. My guess is that she is new to the game and is a bit spooked. She feels comfortable selling nudes and didn't really want to do something real (not virtual), agreed for some reason, but finally chickened out. Definitely sucks for you, but I also feel for these women. Fucking life.

[Intelligencium]

I know we all differ culturally and some countries have this practice of passing around girls like they are poker chips or something. They are not. Most of the guys on this Seeking thread are after real girls with connection. And at the very least have done a shit ton of work separating the bad from the good. So of course each to his own but I suggest you do the work like the rest of us and get on Seeking and invest some time.Huge +1. Sorry boys, I am not going to share the profiles. Apart from what Steve already said, there are few more selfish aspects: I don't want you to (by mistake) tell them that I talked about them here. Some of them likely know my real name / identity even if they never told me that they know (its easy to find out if you travel together or stay together for multiple days). And some of them I want to meet again.

Cheers,

Ravi.

[BlueMoon22]

No. I did not dish money.

First meet and greet. Went great. And, we had agreed previously that even if we had chemistry, no time to fuck that night because of her work. So we met, we had a great dinner. I picked up tab.

A week later. First mistake. I set up a Saturday Brunch. Wanted a lazy afternoon fuck. Second mistake, at brunch gave into her drama of car tires needing replacement. She was heading to workshop, pick up car and drive to me. Apologizes later that afternoon that she got stuck.

Following week. Starts talking monthly allowance of 2000 EUR. Politely but firmly refused. You first got to let me fuck you. Then, ppm. Cardinal rule.

Then, few weeks of messages, random asks for "hey, I got stuck here. Could you help blah. Blah". I did not budge. Cock in pussy, money in purse.

Then, went out of touch.

This last Europe trip, she messages me from a different profile. She recognizes me and wants to meet again.

I said "sweetie, happy to if we agree to take to bedroom. And, BTW, I will adjust for the damn 200 I paid you 3 years ago". She went quiet.

I met my Sports superstar.So you didn't pay for the tires I hope? I have no room to talk about blowing a lot of money on my other SA fail but at least I did get to fuck her the first time (then fell way too hard for her) met the second time in LOS cabos and first night was good and had a condom issue which resulted in her taking a plan be and she was shitty the rest of the time. I didn't think she needed it but she acted like no big deal until she was weird the whole rest of the trip. Anyways I don't even care to think of the money I spent on her but such is life. I really actually loved that girl more than any GF or SA girl ever.

[BlueMoon22]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.Outside of my last encounter I'd say SA is easy and it was my fault not doing enough ops and having some good talks / chats with her before. 3-4 k that match age and height? What do you set for height? I've never bothered to set a height requirement. 10 k should be super easy as I've had good luck with only 500 matches in some cities. 10 k? Like fish in a barrel and usually get messages first. I'm sitting on about 300 unopened messages. Send me a PM if you want to discuss your profile and how you approach it. I'm not an expert but have learned a lot from Steve and like to pass on any knowledge I can.

[AmericanPi]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.10,000?! What are you filtering for, a pulse?! I've only seen like 5 cities that have that kind of volume. La Ny London and cdmx. And it's not 10 k. It's like 300 after you filter and even then it's like 150 that have been active recently.

I'm struggling to find more cities like those because I am kinda tired of visiting them. I almost emailed Seeking to ask what their biggest membership cities were and then thought nah, getting on their radar isn't a good idea.

[BlueMoon22]

10,000?! What are you filtering for, a pulse?! I've only seen like 5 cities that have that kind of volume. La Ny London and cdmx. And it's not 10 k. It's like 300 after you filter and even then it's like 150 that have been active recently.

I'm struggling to find more cities like those because I am kinda tired of visiting them. I almost emailed Seeking to ask what their biggest membership cities were and then thought nah, getting on their radar isn't a good idea.Lmfao. How much do you filter? I always find it interesting what other guys seek. I don't set any filters other than age 18-40 and then scroll thru pics and see lots of cities with 3 k-10 k.

What age do most of you search for or seek? Early 20's seem to flake more to me. Late 20's early 30's seem the sweet spot for me.

[GoingDumb]

Lmfao. How much do you filter? I always find it interesting what other guys seek. I don't set any filters other than age 18-40 and then scroll thru pics and see lots of cities with 3 k-10 k.

What age do most of you search for or seek? Early 20's seem to flake more to me. Late 20's early 30's seem the sweet spot for me.At home I usually do 18-29,20 miles, max height 5'7, and unviewed so I don't waste time with ones I've messaged.

[Gfefan]

I did pay 200 for her tires.

Thats the fee I paid early on in the game to learn the most important lesson -.

"No feelings on SA". Meet check chemistry, if yes, fuck. If fuck is great, repeat.

My cap is 300 in europe and 400 in US. Other expenses on me.

No more busines of money before fuck.

"Dick in pussy, then cash in purse. " Eventually, I may grow to give $ before deed. Like my best SB ever in Spain. Last month, she got into some trouble on her bills. I sent her money for the whole bill even from the US. She is the one who refuses to take money from me. Those kind of girls, Ingo to help. But, they got to earn my trust first.


So you didn't pay for the tires I hope? I have no room to talk about blowing a lot of money on my other SA fail but at least I did get to fuck her the first time (then fell way too hard for her) met the second time in LOS cabos and first night was good and had a condom issue which resulted in her taking a plan be and she was shitty the rest of the time. I didn't think she needed it but she acted like no big deal until she was weird the whole rest of the trip. Anyways I don't even care to think of the money I spent on her but such is life. I really actually loved that girl more than any GF or SA girl ever.

[Midwestern]

What age do most of you search for or seek? Early 20's seem to flake more to me. Late 20's early 30's seem the sweet spot for me.I had some success with early 20's, but it was very rare. And they do flake a lot. Plus, when I did meet the early 20's gals, we had nothing to talk about because we had nothing in common. And so, if I want a pro and just want to do the deed with a hot chick, then younger is better. But if I want an arrangement with a pretend GF, then late 20's and 30's works for me, as we will have more to talk about when we are not doing the deed. I currently have two arrangments. One is 26 and the other is mid 40's. The lucky thing about the mid 40's gal is that she hit menopause this year. And so I have been able to BB CIP with her.

[Midwestern]

Eventually, I may grow to give $ before deed. Like my best SB ever in Spain. Last month, she got into some trouble on her bills. I sent her money for the whole bill even from the US. She is the one who refuses to take money from me. Those kind of girls, Ingo to help. But, they got to earn my trust first.The less demanding and cajoling for money they are, the more generous I am to them. For the ones that are always asking for more, in the long run, I guess this strategy works out for them, but it won't work on me.

[MiamiBoy1]

Not getting many responses on sa and when I have they've flaked or ghosted meet ups. I'm wondering if I should start saying I'm visiting for a few days and see if I get better results since I've had better luck traveling.

I'm also wondering if anyone else has noticed a sweet spot for sa with the number of profiles. In the two cities I've had success in there are about 3-4 k sa profiles that match my search (age and height). But where I'm based there's over 10 k. Unlike some others I didn't have any luck in London where there was also over 10 k profiles. It would make sense to me that there are more guys in those areas too so girls are shopping for the best offers.What really matters is the response and conversion rates. In some cities you can find 5 k-10 k profiles, which seems like a lot, but what % are doable? And what % will actually respond to your message and provide WhatsApp number? And obviously, the conversion rate, or the number of girls scored, is even lower. What I have noticed is that my response rate is way down from what it was a few years ago. And honestly, I can't think of a possible solution to this issue. There is a lot of competition out there, hot girls are getting tons of messages every day, no wonder my messages are getting lost in the pile. I just renewed my membership a couple of days ago, messaged all the girls that I wanted to message (maybe around 20 or so), 2 days later only 2 replies (1 of which quoted me crazy number). This shit makes me think about quitting, because the app has turned into a tinder, where the quality is trash, plus plenty of scam, thieves, etc. BTW, I only message girls that are online or have been active recently, to increase my odds. But most of my messages either go unread, or read but not replied to. I guess they want to see some crazy amount of $ in my opening message that would spark their interest.

[DramaFree11]

What really matters is the response and conversion rates. In some cities you can find 5 k-10 k profiles, which seems like a lot, but what % are doable? And what % will actually respond to your message and provide WhatsApp number? And obviously, the conversion rate, or the number of girls scored, is even lower. What I have noticed is that my response rate is way down from what it was a few years ago. And honestly, I can't think of a possible solution to this issue. There is a lot of competition out there, hot girls are getting tons of messages every day, no wonder my messages are getting lost in the pile. I just renewed my membership a couple of days ago, messaged all the girls that I wanted to message (maybe around 20 or so), 2 days later only 2 replies (1 of which quoted me crazy number). This shit makes me think about quitting, because the app has turned into a tinder, where the quality is trash, plus plenty of scam, thieves, etc. BTW, I only message girls that are online or have been active recently, to increase my odds. But most of my messages either go unread, or read but not replied to. I guess they want to see some crazy amount of $ in my opening message that would spark their interest.Sorry, I am killing it in both MTY and CDMX. I got back on SA in the states 6 months ago, with decent results, but decided to focus on work and meeting girls in Mxico.

I love the SA, yes it can get expensive and takes some work, but it pays off.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 6 of my Dating Tour Series.
This is Part 7 of my "Dating Tour" Series.

Part 1 (Overview): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid) http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. Naz and the threesome): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741#post2845741.

Part 5 (Barcelona. Worst day of the tour): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741#post2845741.

Part 6 (Barcelona. Continued): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2848081#post2848081.

Day 7 in Barcelona

When I initially arrived in Barcelona, I wasn't sure how long I'll stay and had booked a hotel for only 2 nights. 7 days later, I am still here, now in my 3rd hotel. After yesterday night's awesome and quite interesting threesome, I felt like I am back in the game. I had one girl ready to meet tonight, with a few backups. With nothing interesting to do for the afternoon, I decided to set up a meet with one of the backups, Sophia, for lunch and fun.

Sophia is a 27 year old free-spirited hippie woman who has been courting me for a couple of months (by sending random photos or videos). She is attractive, but not really my type. I had been worried about drugs and diseases due to her hippie vibes, but decided to take a chance. Anyways, she comes to my hotel, we meet outside and go to eat at one of those lively open squares in the Gothic Quarter, where I find out that she is from Argentina (also that "Paella" In Argentinian Spanish is pronounced as "Paesha", TIL). She is chatty, but cute and has some really yummy lips that I wouldn't mind kissing and sucking. She asks if she can smoke and I say I don't mind. Apparently, she is one of those who rolls her own cigarette. Hippie indeed. Other than a few quirks, she looks and feels normal.

After lunch, we walk around the neighborhood and decide to go into the erotic museum on La Rambla. The museum has all sorts of suggestive pictures, movies and a lot of gadgets. Sophia knows a lot more than me about the various sex machines, and even finds one there that's similar to the one she has at her place. To be honest, this all didn't arouse me (or her), but it made the subject easy to talk about. After the museum, we go to my hotel's rooftop bar and have a few drinks, and chat about our sex lives.

Finally in the room, she offers to give me a massage first. I strip down and lay on my stomach, while she strips down and starts giving me a nice slow body rub. After a few minutes of this, I turn around and she kisses me from head to toe and then comes back to kiss me on my lips. The kiss turns quite passionate. I am enjoying it, but now regret letting her smoke before as there is a lingering cigarette smell. I try to ignore it and enjoy the moment. After a few minutes of passionate kissing during which we are exploring each others bodies, she decides to stroke my dick with her hands and then slides down and starts sucking it. She has a nice technique, I especially liked that she licks (and not just sucks) and uses her tongue a lot. I am sure I won't come with a BJ, so I put on a condom and she rides me in cowgirl. Her boobs are natural and bouncy and make for a nice scene. She gets tired after a while (I think), so she lies down next to me, and we go missionary while kissing passionately again. I am annoyed by the cigarette smell, but I compartmentalize my annoyance and shut it out and try to enjoy the moment. A while later, I take her to the edge of the bed and pound her with my feet on the ground. This works and I finally come.

After a while, she starts dressing, I realize and say that we never discussed allowance. She sheepishly says that yes we never talked about it, but she has done 300-400 before. I know I am never going to repeat her, so I offer 250, which she quickly agrees to. Clearly I could have gone lower, but she did spend 4+ hours with me, I didn't get bored the whole afternoon and the sex WAS good (apart from the cigarette smell). So I consider this a good deal overall for both sides.

At night, I have plans to meet with another girl called Lisa. She is 29 and has a nice body, but I wasn't sure about her face from her pics on SA. We meet at 9 pm outside my hotel and decide to walk to a high-end cocktail bar. In person she is prettier than her pics. Overall a 8/10. On the way, I learn that she is Catalan and a Barcelona local. We pass by a Cathedral that looked beautiful at night and she clicks some pictures of me standing in front of it. At the bar I ask the bartender for some custom cocktails made (off the menu) and she is surprised that something like that is even possible. Talking to her, I learn that she is a single mom, her husband died in a car crash when he was drunk, and so she avoids getting too drunk. Later we go downstairs to a club where there's a live music performance. She is enthralled by it. We leave once live music is over to get back to my hotel. Overall, I enjoyed spending time with her. Her face lights up when she sees something she loves (like the Cathedral at night, the fancy cocktails, the live performance etc) or learns something new (like about my culture) and it makes her personality very endearing. There's a little language barrier as her English is not as good, but I already know that I will repeat with her if the sex is any good.

I don't remember much about the sex that night, except that we kissed a lot and we mostly did missionary (I remember her fuck face). In general, I am into girl friend experience. With Lisa, there was unbridled passionate kissing, touching, teasing, looking deep into each other's eyes during missionary and overall we felt very comfortable with each other.

After sex, I put 350 in her purse (our agreed upon rate) and she hangs around a bit as if she wants to stay, but tells me that she needs to go as she has to drive and wants to be with her kid. So we kiss goodbye.

As I try to fall asleep, I realize that I have fucked 4 women in the last 24 hours: Patricia and Dana in the threesome last night, Sophia and Lisa today. Another first for me in my lifetime! Thank you SA and thank you guys in the ISG forum!

Day 8 in Barcelona

Got up late the next day, and decided to visit that Cathedral that I saw at night with Lisa in the afternoon. I seem to have something in me for larger than life buildings, because I loved spending time inside this Cathedral too (even though I am neither Christian, religious or spiritual). Funnily while I am inside, Lisa texts me asking me to send her the pic she took of me yesterday (in front of this Cathedral). Apparently, she wants it to have a memory of me. I tell her that she doesn't need to, since we can meet again tonight if she is interested. She says yes.

At night, we go to the same cocktail bar, try a few new drinks. There was no live music this time, but we spent the time talking about life. Apparently, she has a modeling career on the side and she shows me pictures from it. Her day job is in marketing.

Walking back to the hotel, she says if I want a massage. I say yes, but we start kissing as soon as we enter the room. There was this passion where we just couldn't keep our hands off each other. We make out, her body against the wall, my hands undressing her and then caressing her breasts and ass while she undresses me. After a few minutes of making out naked, we move to the bed. She puts on some light music and we fuck. It's a nice slow, romantic sex with her (like yesterday) and I love it. Again, I don't remember the details, but I remember that after the sex, while lying down on the bed, she is looking at me with that longing look, like she is falling for me. With any other woman, I may have started to get worried, but with her I am not since she has a kid and has been very clear about what SA means to her (a way for her to make extra money on the side). I know that even if she falls for me, it won't result in anything dangerous or crazy.

Day 9 in Barcelona

There were two youngish girls that I had been texting, so today I want to meet at least one of them. With the underage scare on my psyche forever (see "Part 5 - worst day of the tour") I now have a rule of checking their ID in person if they look too young. Maybe that ask is scaring them away. So I also let them know that they are free to hide their real name as long as their face and birthdate is visible. Both of them are busy at night, but one of them (Nat) is open to meeting in the afternoon. We meet outside my new hotel. Nat is just like her pictures. Petite, quite young and beautiful. She claimed to be 22 on SA, but I think she is younger. We go to a breakfast+drinks place, and she eats, but doesn't drink. Turns out that she just had Invisalign installed on her teeth. I get annoyed since this is something she should have told me, but I am a bit smitten by her beauty so I let it go. Nat is Ukrainian, is trying to become an actress, is estranged from her family and works part time in an erotic massage place. (One thing I have learned is that each one of them has an interesting life story).

Once we are back in the hotel room, she asks if she can massage me. I say yes, and strip naked and lay down on my stomach on the bed. She uses her erotic massage techniques to do a soft gentle massage on my body, while slowly arousing me. She did this thing where her hands gently brush off my balls or my shaft even when I am laying on my stomach. I dunno how she did it, but it was quite a sensual experience. After I turn around, she works on my dick with her hands and then puts on a condom to ride it like a cowgirl. Her pussy is quite tight and it almost feels like my dick can feel every single little movement she makes. After a while, she comes down on her back while I try to insert my dick to go missionary. It? S quite a tight fit and she says put it slowly please while I insert it. During missionary, I try to kiss her, but she doesn? T open her mouth, and then I remembered her invisalign. After a bit of missionary, I move to my favorite position (edge of the bed) and finish off there. Total damage: 400, which felt right although I wish we had kissed more. After she dresses, I remember I never asked her for her ID. LOL. I finally do, and she doesn't hide her name either. Turns out her real name is different than her stage name. Who knew. LOL. Looks like the girls also use fake names.

In the evening I text Patricia to get Dana's number (from Part 6's threesome). I remember how the sex with her was quite different, quite rough and I wanted to try that again. Patricia happily shares, and then I text Dana to see if she is interested to meet. She is leaving town the next day and is available. I ask her if she will kiss this time. She says that she is happy to kiss, but does tongue only with people she has been with for a while. At this point, I know I have other options, so I pass. I take it easy for the night, go to the Irish pub again and enjoy the night in solitude.

Day 10 and 11 in Barcelona

In a few days I have my flight back to the US from Amsterdam. I am loving here in Barcelona, but I have never been to Amsterdam and it feels odd not to spend a few days in Amsterdam when I need to fly out from there anyways. So I take it chill for the next 2 days and decide to stick with the known quantity: Lisa.

Day 10 night we meet again and go to the same bar. Have some nice conversation again and walk back to the hotel. This is the 2nd 5 star hotel I have met her in and she is in awe with the hotels, the rooms, the bathrooms and overall feel of the place. Anyways, back in the room, she wants to massage me (what's with the girls and massage? I agree. She gives a slow, okay massage, and then we fuck. This time she did try cowgirl, but we end up finishing in missionary with me staring at her face and she with her eyes closed and her mouth open in her fuck face.

Then, we lay on the bed for a long time. When I look at her, she is looking at me with tears in her eyes. I don't say anything, just kiss and hug her. After a while we get up, get dressed and she goes. This time I gave her all the money in my wallet (about 390) and she texts me later letting me know that I gave her extra. I tell her that it's for her kid and that we should try to meet again tomorrow as it's my last day in Barcelona.

Day 11, I have my flight to Amsterdam in the late afternoon so Lisa and I decide to meet at noon. She has been prodding me to try a local dish since the first time we met, but I didn't get time to try it yet and I was leaving today. So she surprises me and brings it for me. We sit in my hotel room, while I eat and we talk. After I am done eating, I ask if she wants to go out and she prefers to stay in the room. So we talk a bit more, I brush my teeth and then she proposes we shower together. My hotel bathroom has a nice mirror against the bathtub and while showering together, we admire the scene. Fuck, it feels like we are almost a couple with the way we are doing things at this point. After shower, we fuck. This time I tell her I want to go two times. So after the first time, she helps get my dick hard with her hands and mouth and then we go again. I don't come easily, but after I do, we are shit tired.

I give her 400 this time, and before leaving she tells me she will miss me a lot while tearing up a bit. Once she leaves, I pack up and leave for Amsterdam where already have plans to meet someone. More about that in the upcoming post. I also know that I will miss Spain a lot and it's going to be top of my list next time I get to travel alone again to Europe!

[Intelligencium]

I think I need to give that ex-pat who owned a restaurant in Brazil a name so let's call him Stan, and Stan said relationships move 8 X faster in Brazil than in the USA. That is the rule of Stan. LOL.

So yeah, Naz thinks that she is your GF, and she probably thought so a few hours after meeting you.
.You are right. LOL. I was texting and catching up with Naz yesterday and reminiscing about our time together. She is already calling me her ex and says that we were in a 5 day relationship (I thought it was only 3, but she's probably right since she counted off the days of the week).

So, again, you are spot on. The rule of Stan stands.

[AmericanPi]

I am not considering upgrading. I'm honestly just curious. What's the point of the diamond subscription? It seems like very little benefit other than you get to signal you spent more on your subscription than the next guy. It seems like more a signal of stupidity than anything else. Am I missing the point?

[Elvis 2008]

Day 11, I have my flight to Amsterdam in the late afternoon so Lisa and I decide to meet at noon. She has been prodding me to try a local dish since the first time we met, but I didn't get time to try it yet and I was leaving today. So she surprises me and brings it for me. We sit in my hotel room, while I eat and we talk. After I am done eating, I ask if she wants to go out and she prefers to stay in the room. So we talk a bit more, I brush my teeth and then she proposes we shower together. My hotel bathroom has a nice mirror against the bathtub and while showering together, we admire the scene. Fuck, it feels like we are almost a couple with the way we are doing things at this point. After shower, we fuck. This time I tell her I want to go two times. So after the first time, she helps get my dick hard with her hands and mouth and then we go again. I don't come easily, but after I do, we are shit tired.

I give her 400 this time, and before leaving she tells me she will miss me a lot while tearing up a bit. Once she leaves, I pack up and leave for Amsterdam where already have plans to meet someone. More about that in the upcoming post. I also know that I will miss Spain a lot and it's going to be top of my list next time I get to travel alone again to Europe!The first time I went to Latin America was Argentina. I picked up a girl at a club / brothel called Madaho's and this woman didn't do the petty five minute massage an American hooker would but she rubbed my back non-stop for an hour and a half. I got her number but did not call her. I saw someone else the next night who was not nearly as good. When I went back to Madaho's for a third night, she was there and I brought her back to my place again and it was not as passionate. She was pissed I did not call her and knew I had seen someone else. What I learned is once a girl likes you, she will continue to fuck you for nothing, but I wanted to continue to pay because I thought because I was married, I could only have P4 P relationship. I was not emotionally ready myself for anything but that. I wish I would have been.

When you got a girl like Lisa in tears and fucking you like she did, it means she really likes you. With my current woman, it was her tears that told me that she was in love with me. When you are a single mom, it is really tough. Before me, my gal spent every day on her daughter, working out, and at her job, and that was it. She did not have time for anything else. When I came along, she got back to having a life again, and it was not just the sex and fun. There was the adult companionship and having someone to hold at night.

With all this feminist dogma, and my mother grew up at the beginning of the movement, I was shocked to hear my own mother say, "It is great for a woman to have a man to care for. " That was something that was said in the 1950's, but you better not say it today. No, all that is said is what you can do for a woman, but women, even if they do not admit it now, really do like having a man to care for.

I can usually tell if a woman is a mother or not just by how they touch me. The single mom has a much more nurturing loving touch, and it seems like once that nurturing channel is open, it applies not just to children but their man as well.

My point is you didn't have to pay Lisa if you did not want to. For me, payment was to define it being a P4 P relationship that harkens back to that Charlie Sheen line that I am not paying them for sex but paying them to leave. If you want a relationship with this woman where you pay for dinner, travel ETC but not hard cash, it is / was there.

With my current gal, I met her off SA and left money in her purse the first time we met, and a guy on here ragged on me for giving her anything without asking, and he was right to rag on me. So the next time we met, I gave her no money and she still was willing to hang with me. That is why I so often tell guys on here to just try not mentioning money when meeting a SA woman. I was surprised how many women, granted not American women, were willing to meet without an upfront price.

[DramaFree11]

I am not considering upgrading. I'm honestly just curious. What's the point of the diamond subscription? It seems like very little benefit other than you get to signal you spent more on your subscription than the next guy. It seems like more a signal of stupidity than anything else. Am I missing the point?There is no reason to update your subscription, just a way for SA to suck more money out of you.

[Jdweeb]

Anyone with recent experience using SA in BC, Canada. Is it worth the cost?

[AmericanPi]

There is no reason to update your subscription, just a way for SA to suck more money out of you.I just legitimately do not understand it. Like why someone would get it. I get the Upsell and always think who is the guy who's like yeah I drop 3 x for the same thing?

[Intelligencium]

Thanks for the tip. At that time I knew she was looking for money, so I didn't try to negotiate anything. But now she says that she is off SA, but will still meet me if I ever visit Europe (she said she will be happy to fly wherever I am in Europe), so there's definitely a possibility of no payment now.


The first time I went to Latin America was Argentina. I picked up a girl at a club / brothel called Madaho's and this woman didn't do the petty five minute massage an American hooker would but she rubbed my back non-stop for an hour and a half. I got her number but did not call her. I saw someone else the next night who was not nearly as good. When I went back to Madaho's for a third night, she was there and I brought her back to my place again and it was not as passionate. She was pissed I did not call her and knew I had seen someone else. What I learned is once a girl likes you, she will continue to fuck you for nothing, but I wanted to continue to pay because I thought because I was married, I could only have P4 P relationship. I was not emotionally ready myself for anything but that. I wish I would have been.

When you got a girl like Lisa in tears and fucking you like she did, it means she really likes you. With my current woman, it was her tears that told me that she was in love with me. When you are a single mom, it is really tough. Before me, my gal spent every day on her daughter, working out, and at her job, and that was it. She did not have time for anything else. When I came along, she got back to having a life again, and it was not just the sex and fun. There was the adult companionship and having someone to hold at night.

With all this feminist dogma, and my mother grew up at the beginning of the movement, I was shocked to hear my own mother say, "It is great for a woman to have a man to care for. " That was something that was said in the 1950's, but you better not say it today. No, all that is said is what you can do for a woman, but women, even if they do not admit it now, really do like having a man to care for.

I can usually tell if a woman is a mother or not just by how they touch me. The single mom has a much more nurturing loving touch, and it seems like once that nurturing channel is open, it applies not just to children but their man as well.

My point is you didn't have to pay Lisa if you did not want to. For me, payment was to define it being a P4 P relationship that harkens back to that Charlie Sheen line that I am not paying them for sex but paying them to leave. If you want a relationship with this woman where you pay for dinner, travel ETC but not hard cash, it is / was there.

With my current gal, I met her off SA and left money in her purse the first time we met, and a guy on here ragged on me for giving her anything without asking, and he was right to rag on me. So the next time we met, I gave her no money and she still was willing to hang with me. That is why I so often tell guys on here to just try not mentioning money when meeting a SA woman. I was surprised how many women, granted not American women, were willing to meet without an upfront price.

[FilthyBeaver]

Not knocking anyone but my thought is they know I'm serious and not one of the billion scammers on the site. I've said it before, a fast food worker can afford "premium" (at least in my coastal city). But not everyone can shell out close to $300 a mo. I can't say for certain that it works but I am very happy with what I've been able to pull when I'm up for wasting the time on the site. I don't maintain an account, when I find someone I like, I delete and start over when it ends so I probably pay about the same a year as someone who pays for premium monthly. I'm noticing the quality is really down right now which I was not expecting now that unis are back in session. I don't see many co-eds at all. Very disappointing.


I just legitimately do not understand it. Like why someone would get it. I get the Upsell and always think who is the guy who's like yeah I drop 3 x for the same thing?

[AluHut]

I just legitimately do not understand it. Like why someone would get it. I get the Upsell and always think who is the guy who's like yeah I drop 3 x for the same thing?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Rich

[Steve 9696]

So I had a great sex date earlier this week with a regular in a city I visit. Was going to fuck her three nights but she bagged on the second two. I tried some last minute bombs into Seeking girls but no bites. So I started reading my book for entertainment. And I came across this story which was literally the best sex I've ever had and it proves that even the wildest things are possible. Like in of all places. Cincinnati Ohio! And zero Seeking lead up with chat etc — super last minute. Absolute non pro first timers. And it was an amazing duo and duos can sometimes be a bust. But this was amazing since they were lesbian lovers but just want dick from time to time. So it was against all odds and the finest two hours of sex ever and I learned so much! Here's how it went down.

OK I am definitely on a black girls run. Confirmed tonight with a last minute duo score. Of course I was just with Kayla in Florida, but have traveled to Cincinnati. I had researched it before and had some prospects but honestly I was fucked out. Just couldn't muster the energy.

Till night three. LOL. There was a work event and after a couple glasses of wine, I start thinking "why not" and start texting girls randomly from my playlist or brand new prospects from SA. Very aggressive opener — like "I'm going out tonight to a nice dinner and drinks. Want to join me?" I had used this approach in London with some success and generally recommend it.

A few nibbles but really no bites and I am now back in my hotel room half heartedly sending out inquiries, when I get a response from two black girls. "Sure. $500 for us both". They aren't quite my type but marginally cute and I haven't had a duo in a while so I say let's do it. I'm a little wary of course because you rarely get that direct a come on. But I go with the flow — carefully.

Originally, I suggest we meet at a bar, but they remind me they are both only twenty and underage for drinking. LOL. So better to come to the room. Of course my scam radar is on high. Because they are driving 30 miles to see me and coming straight to the room. Not exactly standard offering. We are texting and they say they are on their way. I am certain I am going to get the "oh we are out of gas can you send money" text and resigned to jacking off. But the text never comes and sure enough they show up! WTF?

Amara is a rail thin tall dark black girl and Kayara is a thick light black girl. Couldn't be two more different looking black females. Turns out they are girlfriends and have been dating nine months. This ends up being very important to the vibe and what all we do. Amara is clearly the alpha and Kayara enjoys being a sub.

We chat amiably over some wine and I learn lots of interesting things. They are both freshman in college (skipped a year after HS) so there's that fantasy to check off. They tell me about their relationship. And I also learn that they have tried Seeking twice and were stood up both times! One time they drove two hours and were stood up! Poor things — all they want is a daddy to fuck! So I am their first SD and boy do we make it memorable.

You can tell they are both a little nervous but the wine is helping Amara. Kayara doesn't drink and def seems a bit more shy. We actually have a really good conversation— what are they studying and why, what do I do for work etc. Eventually I excuse myself to go pee and say for them to get more comfortable if they like. They are both just in sweats because this was a last minute deal and they just came on. But in a way it's great because I'm going to be fucking two freshman coeds you might see on the the quad! LOL.

On returning, Amara is under the covers but sweatshirt still on and Kayara is slowly undressing. When Kayara is down to her bra (nice big the Cups) I come over and embrace her and go for the kiss. At first I get a cheek, then two small pecks on the lips. Hmm, this seems like a bad sign but I just go with the flow. Glad I did!

I say "it's really cute that you are both so new to this" and they say why do I say that. And I say just by the way you kissed, I could tell you are really nervous. So Amara, the skinny one — and I mean she must be 5-10 and weigh 80 pounds — really amazing in an odd way — she gestures for me to come to the bed where she rears up and plants a deep and passionate French kiss on me — like this is how it's done baby. I find that even though she is in her sweatshirt she is naked down below. I squeeze that amazing tight ass with both hands and start to grow hard.

Pretty soon I am naked standing at the side of the bed, Kayara has finished undressing revealing a thick but attractive bod and Amara pulls her sweatshirt off over her head. Kayara starts blowing me while I make out with Amara but soon they are both blowing the fuck out of me and I remember why I like duos!

The double BJ is absolutely epic. They seem to be totally in sync. Two mouths on shaft side to side. Kayara on shaft, Amara on balls. Amara on upper shaft, Kayara on lower. After a while I stop paying attention to what's what. There is so much sloppy shit going on down there that it's mind blowing and I can't keep track of all the sensations.

A couple of times I get the urge to fuck, but then think bloody hell why would I stop this? They must blow me easily for 20 minutes before I decide I've got to fuck one or the other. First up is Kayara in doggie style where she can eat Amaras pussy. Of course girls are pros at eating pussy, so she is driving Amara absolutely bat shit crazy as I fuck her from behind. She has a nice thick butt to grab on to and as she gets more and more lost in it (she likes fucking) she's whispering "fuck me daddy. Yes, like that. Harder. " LOL.

After an eternity of this (I had jacked off earlier that day thinking it was going to be a celibate night) I decide to try out Amara and I swap them up. No need to change condoms because they are lovers! Amara is still on her back so Kayara moves up to sit on her face and I plunge into mish with Amara. She's very tight as you might expect given her body type. Some light bites and kisses on Kayara's back since it's right where my face lands. And some great mish pounding of Amara.

I eventually decide I want to cum, hoping to even do a round 2 but that's never guaranteed. So I lose the condom and lie on my back and they go to work. It's spectacular again and a lot of it but not quite cumming. So I move to standing again where they are on the edge of bed and I get a great visual. After quite a bit more I start to cum in Kayaras mouth (she is better on shaft) and she pulls me out of our her mouth. So I start to shoot on Amaras shoulder as she is on ball work. Good girl she is, Amara doesn't want to waste good cum, so she gets me back in her mouth for a few pumps of finish CIM. Damn. Like that girl's swagger!

They start working me and kissing me for round two instantly but I say I need to rest a bit. So we cuddle, but after a minute, Amara starts to finger Kayaras pussy and they are off to the races for the best girl on girl I've ever witnessed. I learned a lot!

Amara is using her two middle fingers inside Kayara and fucking her aggressively and hard while slathering her clit with her tongue. Kayara is off in space somewhere and squealing and moaning. Then Amara switches to fingers side to side on clit. Her hand is moving so fast it's a blur -- I mean literally a blur. And Kayara is going nuts. She has a clenching O but Amara is merciless and drives her for another O right after and then another.

I join the fun as we are just using Kayara like a fuck toy and she is sooooo down with that. So Amara starts finger fucking her again and I simultaneously do the furious clit side to side rubbing so she is getting doubled up. And fuck she goes thru two or three more Os. She's convulsing and shaking and eventually swats both our hands away (literally). It's like she's had electroshock and is just totally wiped out.

I only let her rest a minute or so and bring Kayara to the edge of the bed for mish with me standing. So now Kayara can do Amara for a while when Amara sits on her face. She's a lot more gentle but Amara seems to like it and has some face scrunching Os. The fucking of Kayara goes on a long time- and I love that position. Even though I think Kayara is all fucked out, not so. Her legs are straight up in the air as I fuck her deep and she has a couple Os one right after the other. Her right leg goes stiff and vibrates like a motherfucker and then subsides and then about 10 strokes later she's hit by another wave and the leg goes batshit crazy again. Can't fake that shit!

At some point I get the desire to finger fuck Amara the way she did Kayara. So while Kayara is curled up in a fetal ball resting, LOL, I start making out with Amara and finger fucking her with my middle and ring finger as I learned from her. I am going in and out aggressively but she hand signals to do the same; but not in and out — but instead, aggressive gspot tapping. This is prob what she was doing inside of K — finger fucking and gspot tapping both look similar from outside. So I am tapping her gspot like a madman and she has some crashing Os.

I've had pussys clamp down on me before but hers it like a full pushout. It feels like her pelvic floor is coming down and absolutely drives my fingers out. Then it relaxes and back in I go. And tap tap tap and boom another wave. Normally I would stop but I learned from watching them, that a girl can have a connected string of Os. So I go again and give her a couple more where she totally clamps down and pushes me out with her pussy. It's really something. Wow.

Ok time to fuck Amara again so I fuck her in doggie and she eats Kayaras pussy some more. Eventually we all kinda tire and they slide under the covers and create a little space between them for me. I squeeze in and we doze and snuggle for a while, a girl's head on each shoulder. King of the world.

They are lightly playing with me by hand under the covers and I say I think I have one more shot in me if they are game. So we pull back the covers and down they go. A true labor of love -- they must be at it another ten minutes or more and it is truly great. I think I might have to go to a hand finish but when Kayara is on shaft and Amara on balls. OMG. It's soooo good. Eventually I shoot a load — again Kayara backing off but Amara quickly slurps up the goods! What a team.

So then we just doze and cuddle but eventually they have to go. Amara has class at 10:30 AM but Kayara has a 7:00 AM class. College girls! Def one of my best pure sex experiences ever. Never been with two girls so passionately into each other but still with the right focus on me. It was a two hour blur of nonstop fucking and sucking and fingering. Five stars!

[AmericanPi]

Not knocking anyone but my thought is they know I'm serious and not one of the billion scammers on the site. I've said it before, a fast food worker can afford "premium" (at least in my coastal city). But not everyone can shell out close to $300 a mo. I can't say for certain that it works but I am very happy with what I've been able to pull when I'm up for wasting the time on the site. I don't maintain an account, when I find someone I like, I delete and start over when it ends so I probably pay about the same a year as someone who pays for premium monthly. I'm noticing the quality is really down right now which I was not expecting now that unis are back in session. I don't see many co-eds at all. Very disappointing.OK that explains it at least. Thanks for the response.

Do girls actually know / understand what that membership is? Like do you get the social credit you're paying for?

[Intelligencium]

. Five stars!Great report! Where are you getting 500 for two in US? I just began searching in US (bay area) and quotes are starting at 1000 for a 6/7 girl.

[Steve 9696]

Great report! Where are you getting 500 for two in US? I just began searching in US (bay area) and quotes are starting at 1000 for a 6/7 girl.Well it was kinda the perfect storm. First this was about 18 months ago. Second it's Cincinatti. Third it's black girls right or wrong they often charge less. And lastly they were complete newbies and don't know "market". So yeah it was not only a sex home run but a value home run.

I did have this happen in London also tho with a more experienced Colombiana. She wanted 350 which is a little high but not much. Then like almost when I was to the restaurant she says can her friend come because it's her birthday. And I think Boo! She's trying to double me up and get 700. But nope. She's bringing her friend and it's still 350. The original girl was a full on 9 but her friend a 7. But the friend was super affectionate. We ate dinner and danced for three hours and then room time. As I said in my report at the time Tana brought the optics and Liliana brought the GFE. It was a great combo. And 350 straight up for both!

[Gfefan]

Do not entertain these platinum pussies. I was pretty frustrated (still I am) but managed to find a few at 400 $. These are decent. Not supermodels but are girlfriend like.


Great report! Where are you getting 500 for two in US? I just began searching in US (bay area) and quotes are starting at 1000 for a 6/7 girl.

[Gfefan]

I have my top 5 girls - 4 in EU, 1 in US (yes, the gap is glaring. If I do top 10,it is 9 in Europe and the same 1 in US). Of these top 5, three are already in the "non-transactional" bucket. Meaning they will see me with no expectation of $ and I will send $ or help them otherwise with no expectation of sex. The other two are fast getting there. But not quite yet.

Now, one of the other two has stopped responding to my texts. We were chatting like GF / BF for over a month after we met couple times and had great sex. I would like to meet her a few more times but she went quiet.

How do you handle these? Any tips?

I almost want to call her up but don't want to invade her privacy / regular life. She has not responded to the last 10/12 messages I have sent in last over 30 days. The last one being "Hey, hope all is well. Are you mad at me for some reason? Happy to chat".

No response.

[Gfefan]

I would recommend not doing "No payment" right away. Meet her a few more times. Sometimes, the chemistry fade. Sometimes, they themselves say no to money. The latter is what happened with my 3 "no-pay" girls. Trust me. The sex gets better from that point where they say "no money".

Once they say so, I still comp them in other ways. Some of these girls are so nice that they say no money because they like us but silently go through some pain in their personal life. More often than not, financial. I feel for them and not take advantage of them being nice to me.

For example, my best girl ran into an issue where her insurance refused covering a certain accident she got into. She was short by 1 k EUR. She was trying to borrow from someone else and I accidentally came to know. I simply wired her 1. 5 K. I care for her than the money. She is adamant that she will return it next when I am in Europe but I told her no. I told her when I return to Europe, I just want to have good time with her. Go on a road trip. So, book your holidays. That's all I need.


Thanks for the tip. At that time I knew she was looking for money, so I didn't try to negotiate anything. But now she says that she is off SA, but will still meet me if I ever visit Europe (she said she will be happy to fly wherever I am in Europe), so there's definitely a possibility of no payment now.

[Steve 9696]

I have my top 5 girls - 4 in EU, 1 in US (yes, the gap is glaring. If I do top 10,it is 9 in Europe and the same 1 in US). Of these top 5, three are already in the "non-transactional" bucket. Meaning they will see me with no expectation of $ and I will send $ or help them otherwise with no expectation of sex. The other two are fast getting there. But not quite yet.

Now, one of the other two has stopped responding to my texts. We were chatting like GF / BF for over a month after we met couple times and had great sex. I would like to meet her a few more times but she went quiet.

How do you handle these? Any tips?

I almost want to call her up but don't want to invade her privacy / regular life. She has not responded to the last 10/12 messages I have sent in last over 30 days. The last one being "Hey, hope all is well. Are you mad at me for some reason? Happy to chat".

No response.10-12 with no response? That's beyond a solid ghosting. I'the usually move on. Only saving Grace might be if you have her CashApp and know her birthday — or some other reasonable excuse to CashApp her. I know all my girls birthdays. I usually ask first date and then they forget all about it. They are so amazed when I remember. (because I write it down! Had one or two girls respark after birthday gift but never totally reconnected to date.

[Gfefan]

Yeah, just counted. 10 texts with no response. 45 days since I last received.

"We will meet soon. In fact, I think you will like my dirty idea to spice it up". I ask her "what is it? I'm curious". She went "surprise. Trust me. I have learned a thing or two about what you like".

That was the last I heard from her 45 days ago.

Man, I like this girl. Her body is to die for. And she gets so wet that I enjoy pounding her. That too, she is safe CIP.


10-12 with no response? That's beyond a solid ghosting. I'the usually move on. Only saving Grace might be if you have her CashApp and know her birthday or some other reasonable excuse to CashApp her. I know all my girls birthdays. I usually ask first date and then they forget all about it. They are so amazed when I remember. (because I write it down! Had one or two girls respark after birthday gift but never totally reconnected to date.

[Foolish]

Yeah, just counted. 10 texts with no response. 45 days since I last received.Would celebrate what you had and move on. Had this happen before (phone went offline in my case) and you never know (we chatted briefly and then disappeared for good), but really there's no real point to trying to reconnect after 10 msgs.

F.

[IntBond0]

Said she wants 400 for sex because that's what her friend gets and she doesn't know if we'll have sex because her period might happen LOL.

[Intelligencium]

Yeah, just counted. 10 texts with no response. 45 days since I last received.Maybe something's going on in her personal life? Either something bad or something good like finding a BF. I would stay mum for a while or check to see if you can help in any way.

[Intelligencium]

Do not entertain these platinum pussies. I was pretty frustrated (still I am) but managed to find a few at 400 $. These are decent. Not supermodels but are girlfriend like.Yeah, I told her 1000 is too much and I can do 500. Now she is ok with 800. LOL. I'll go upto 600 but only the day I'm ready to meet so that there is a deadline for her. Learned this from real estate LOL.

[FilthyBeaver]

This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.


OK that explains it at least. Thanks for the response.

Do girls actually know / understand what that membership is? Like do you get the social credit you're paying for?

[AmericanPi]

This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.This is not a critique. It's working well for you. Just a perspective. Unless it leads to noticeably more click throughs at the prospecting stage, there seems to be little point. Once you have a girl showing up to meet you it's all on you anyway regardless of what you paid for the membership.

[Intelligencium]

Every girl I told the money I pay for premium had their pop out of their heads too. Most of them assumed premium would be like 10 per month or so away max.


This is what I know. Their eyes pop out of their heads when they hear what I pay a month, most have no clue. Of course this topic only comes up once we've met and seen each other a handful of timed. In my experience they don't want to talk about the site and frankly neither do I. I also know there's a little icon next to your profile and they also "feature" you or something like that for basically free but only for a short time where I think you need to pay extra with the premium account. Does it work? I can say I get a lot more hits when I'm featured but frankly I'm so picky that I'm not interested in most. But the traffic is definitely there. I also find I get a lot more traffic when I'm not hiding my face but I generally don't do that unless I'm down to my last week or so and aren't finding any keepers.

The hottest / best girls are inundated with messages and they generally aren't the ones that make first contact. It's still up to you to be witty / charming / attractive whatever.

[Intelligencium]

This is Part 8 of my "Dating Tour" series.

Part 1 (Overview): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2842652&viewfull=1#post2842652.

Part 2 (Prep): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844638&viewfull=1#post2844638.

Part 3 (Madrid) http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2844961&viewfull=1#post2844961.

Part 4 (Barcelona. Naz and the threesome): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741#post2845741.

Part 5 (Barcelona. Worst day of the tour): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2845741#post2845741.

Part 6 (Barcelona. Continued): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2848081#post2848081.

Part 7 (Barcelona. The end): http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2849730&viewfull=1#post2849730.

Prep for Amsterdam trip with a sugar babe

As I said in my last post, Even though I was enjoying a lot in Barcelona, I decided to spend a few days in Amsterdam since I had never been there and my flight to the US was from there. I checked SA, but the scene in Amsterdam didn't look as promising as Spain and I also wanted to experience traveling with a sugar babe. I had posted on this forum a couple of times to ask for advice and got the following:

- Never book tickets / hotel for someone you have never met.

- If possible, fly out together from the same city, so that she cannot flake or ditch you at the last moment.

- Given that travel involves a lot more expenses, at most, offer a small daily allowance.

I would have gone with Naz (from Part 4), but we had already broken up. And although we were now patching up a bit (since I visited her a few times in hospital), she was not well and would not be able to travel anyways. By the time I had a few repeat dates with Lisa (from Part 7), I had already made plans with someone else (I wish I had met Lisa earlier! That someone else was Monica, the girl I met last in Madrid (from Part 3) and with whom I had two dates. She seemed fun, liked to drink / party, I vibed with her and she also felt like a safe option in terms of someone who wouldn't flake or wouldn't go crazy on me.

So I proposed this plan to her and she said yes. I wanted to talk over the phone to make sure everything was clear, and it took us a while to finally connect (mainly because I was busy with other girls). Finally we talked and I laid out the plan:

- I will pay for all expenses, including flight tickets, hotel, food and anything else we do there. I wouldn? T even mind buying her tickets to museums etc when I am busy working one weekday evening.

- I would book two rooms for privacy.

- I would like to preserve my privacy, so there will be times when I may ask her to stay away from hotel reception etc. Told her that I had given her a fake name and would continue to do that.

- And since I will be spending a lot during the travel, I cannot give her the PPM amount we talked about. I can do may be 100 euros per day as an allowance.

She was a bit surprised about the privacy aspect (and my fake name) but she laughed it off in a teasing way, but I think the low daily allowance took her really by surprise. I told her if she had some other kind of allowance in mind, she can think and let me know.

Next day I confirmed that the plan was on, and then booked one way tickets for her. For this, she sent me a copy of her ID, email address etc. So interestingly, I had a copy of her ID, knew her DOB, name etc, and she didn't even know my real name! I booked one-way tickets to have leverage in case something didn't work out (round trip would have been cheaper). Also booked my tickets. I would arrive a day earlier than her and booked two rooms in the same hotel, one for a day longer (since I came earlier).

Amsterdam

When I got to the Amsterdam hotel, I tried to explain to the reception that I wanted the two rooms connecting if possible, or at least side by side. This led to a lot of confusion. Overall, 5-star hotel experience in Amsterdam was much worse than in Spain (even though bad service is the stereotype for Spanish people). I was getting rooms on different floors, so in the end, I had to pay a bit extra to get side by side rooms (still not connected).

Night 1 in Amsterdam, I decided to go to a well rated Piano Bar and ended up spending 4+ hours there drinking and singing with fellow music enthusiasts. Drunk people in Piano bars are a lot of fun. Hugs and kisses were flowing like booze. Haha.

Next day I went to the airport to pick up Monica. AMS is a huge mess of an airport since they have only one terminal. To meet each other, I had to share my live location with Monica.

The good: Next 2-3 days we did a lot of touristy things: Heineken tour, Anne Frank tour, canal boat rides etc. We visited the red light district twice, saw two different live sex shows, went to two nightclubs, I tried weed for the third time in my life (it didn't suit me) and visited the Moco (Modern Contemporary) Museum while high. And a lot of drinking along the way. I enjoyed the city and the stay!

The bad: had sex only twice in the three nights we were together and (this may be related) I didn'tt feel the connection I had felt with either Naz or Lisa. I wonder if money was the issue, or because of my privacy concerns, she became a bit aloof and started treating this as a more professional relationship. She didn't open up too much for us to get close. The one time she opened up was when she was a bit drunk. I believe that if we had emotionally connected, the sex would have happened automatically.

I wouldn't go into details of the two times we had sex, but it was good and she was engaged then. I didn't push for more sex. I hate it when the girl feels forced to do it (same reason why I hate going to WGs).

The End

So there you have it folks. My dating tour in full glory. It ended with a dud, but I still enjoyed the trip.

I hope I didn't bore you all with too many details, but I felt that I needed to contribute enough details for a newbie (like me) to understand what goes behind the scenes, apart from the details about sex and the girls.

I will post one final part to summarize and make some general comments / themes and my learnings.

[FilthyBeaver]

There is little point. I posted rough stats a few months ago. I'm happy with the results so why change the sauce? Frankly $280 or whatever it is now is way less than I'd ever give anyone and probably about what I'd spend on a dinner date the second time so whatever. I refuse to think about money when it comes to mongering, it costs what it costs when I get what I want because what I want is very rare and out of my league without money leveling the field. I'll pinch my pennies elsewhere.


This is not a critique. It's working well for you. Just a perspective. Unless it leads to noticeably more click throughs at the prospecting stage, there seems to be little point. Once you have a girl showing up to meet you it's all on you anyway regardless of what you paid for the membership.

[Elvis 2008]

Said she wants 400 for sex because that's what her friend gets and she doesn't know if we'll have sex because her period might happen LOL.Forget about that. You can get a great escort for a $100 in Bogota, women in Santa Fe for $20. $400 is a month's pay in Colombia. That is like giving $4000 here. And honestly, I have had much better. I paid between $80 and $140 in Bogota for 7's to 10's. Those are USA rates that one woman got out of an American guy who did not know better.

[AmericanPi]

There is little point. I posted rough stats a few months ago. I'm happy with the results so why change the sauce? Frankly $280 or whatever it is now is way less than I'd ever give anyone and probably about what I'd spend on a dinner date the second time so whatever. I refuse to think about money when it comes to mongering, it costs what it costs when I get what I want because what I want is very rare and out of my league without money leveling the field. I'll pinch my pennies elsewhere.You and I would get on great. That's how I live too. I really enjoy my seeking. It's the highlight of all my trips. I spend generously because I want the best girls and I want them at my beck and call. I don't negotiate. If a girl wants an exorbitant amount I just pass, and otherwise I try to pay at what I perceive as the 80-90th percentile wherever I go. And like you said, it works so why change it.

[MiamiBoy1]

Forget about that. You can get a great escort for a $100 in Bogota, women in Santa Fe for $20. $400 is a month's pay in Colombia. That is like giving $4000 here. And honestly, I have had much better. I paid between $80 and $140 in Bogota for 7's to 10's. Those are USA rates that one woman got out of an American guy who did not know better.The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.

[DramaFree11]

The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.Wow, I never thought you would say this. Price for girls has not really changed, if you stick with Mexican Chicks, but the Colombian and Euros are very expensive in CDMX, you are just best to avoid them.

Restaurants are very expensive now and Airbnb has also raised prices. I love CDMX, but it can get expensive very quickly if you do not pay attention.

[FilthyBeaver]

I don't understand people trying to negotiate a girl down. Don't you want her in the best mood possible? Consider what you're asking her to do with her body and you. Give it to her, shit, it probably means a whole lot more to her than it does to you.

Now, because I like being thorough, I guess there's a situation where she's unhappy because she thinks she may have been able to get more out of you but for the most part when I've paid what she wanted I got what I wanted. There are no losers.


You and I would get on great. That's how I live too. I really enjoy my seeking. It's the highlight of all my trips. I spend generously because I want the best girls and I want them at my beck and call. I don't negotiate. If a girl wants an exorbitant amount I just pass, and otherwise I try to pay at what I perceive as the 80-90th percentile wherever I go. And like you said, it works so why change it.

[FilthyBeaver]

As I wrote earlier I've been really disappointed with the offerings on the site right now. So disappointed that I've been bored enough to hook scammers and keep them on the line as long as possible just to piss them off. I haven't seen this discussion before and I'd love to hear other constructive input. There are exceptions to every rule but for the most part here are my rules to flush out scams.

Profile:

1 profile pic and no other pics (hidden or not).

No text in the profile.

Nonsense in profile (lazy Asian scammer trying to get away with Google translate).

Black and white pics.

Too many (7/8+) pics.

Pics heavily skewed in high dollar locations.

Professional pics (sometimes pros but not often).

After contact:

Grammar mistakes consistent with a Slavic or Asian language, sorry but every Nigerian scammer I've ever run across has had impeccable English grammar so they have been omitted and not overlooked.

Insisting on taking the convo to a specific texting app.

Country code outside your country unless profile calls it out.

Asking for money (duh) to prove you're real.

Asking what you're "offering" in the first 3 messages (also a sign of a pro so if that's what you're looking for there's nothing wrong with that but they're anything but a sb).

I've got a 99% reliable trick to make them but I won't post it publicly lest I inadvertently give them a leg up. DM me and if you've been constructive posting here I'd be happy to share it.

[BlueMoon22]

After the fiasco with the red flag chick 1. 5 weeks ago or so I got to see my college chick again tonight finally. I was out of town over labor day weekend and the first of the week visiting family and wanted to pull off an SA visit then but just didn't work staying with them and having things planned and staying with them. She's really busy with school, work and of course likes to party so I know she just wants to meet up when she needs some money. So it is what it is. I'd rather it be more regular as I would have avoided the red flag chick. LOL.

Anyways she texts just enough to keep me interested but always says she should be able to see me in the next week or two. Earlier this week she asked when I was free and I just said anytime in the evening or weekend just let me know and she never said a day / time. Friday I finally just said hey lets get together Sunday if you have time instead of asking her when she is free. She said she could probably see me a for a couple hours after work. Ok good enough. I'd rather have more time for dinner / drinks / fun and not feel rushed but I've been putting off / ignoring other opportunities waiting on this chick so I'm happy to see her as I was close to punting and looking harder for a new local.

We set a time and she ends up running a little late but not bad. Chat a bit in the room. Shower together and move to room get the first nut and cuddle and talk and go for second nut. Second one was tough to pull off though in that short of a turn around. Maybe 1 hour between but she worked for it and got it. Needed just a little more recovery time but still pulled it off.

Not sure what I'll do at this point as I like new stuff but after the red flag fiasco I like consistent (which college chick isn't other than knowing she will want to meet again at some point). I passed up meeting the best PSE chick I've ever had by far a few times that I met in July due to taking 3 trips and then seeing this chick and then thinking I'd get to see her weekly or at least every 2 weeks. Tried hitting up PSE chick this weekend before college committed to seeing me and she had plans but said maybe Sunday and then never heard back. Guessing I went too long without seeing her and she found another or figures I'm keeping her as a backup.

Oh well. Fun times were had tonight!

[LshRoomer]

I'm planning a trip to Singapore and Thailand soon and I'm curious about your experience with SA in this part of the world. From what I've read so far, there are plenty of venues to find girls at MPs, or short / long time bar girls, agogos, etc. Basically, the options appear to be endless and cheap, with varying degrees of quality.

Just wondering if any of you have had SA experiences in Asia and if it is generally worth it. "Worth it" being described as the ease of finding a GFE non working girl, with fluent english (regular SA stuff).

I'm planning to sample it all, but I'm curious if SA should be part of the strategy.

TIA.

[Steve 9696]

I'm planning a trip to Singapore and Thailand soon and I'm curious about your experience with SA in this part of the world. From what I've read so far, there are plenty of venues to find girls at MPs, or short / long time bar girls, agogos, etc. Basically, the options appear to be endless and cheap, with varying degrees of quality.

Just wondering if any of you have had SA experiences in Asia and if it is generally worth it. "Worth it" being described as the ease of finding a GFE non working girl, with fluent english (regular SA stuff).

I'm planning to sample it all, but I'm curious if SA should be part of the strategy.

TIA.I know this doesn't answer your question because I didn't do SA there but having just returned from Thailand I can say the gogos at Nana plaza (better than Cowboy except for Crazy House which is full nude) are a blast. Point and click. I'll take number 512 please. Let's roll!

For my money I love SA a lot. But you know what? Sometimes dinner and all is fun. And sometimes ogling 50 half naked girls in stripper heels and deciding which one to fuck is fun also. I enjoy mixing it up. I think you will find that Thailand is great for the latter. Did U read my report in Bangkok thread? It also covers a soapy called Poseidon which can be fun also.

[SeekingHead]

The rates you paid in the past are no longer valid. $100-$125 can get you a 7-7. 5. But stunners 8+ are asking 200 USD. Top shelf girls want $250-$300+. Most importantly, 90% stick to asking rates and won't budge. I think CDMX makes more sense right now, because it is closer to the US, the food is better, and the rates have become more or less the same, so going to Colombia doesn't really make you save.Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.

[MrBuckley]

Has anyone tried SA in Italy before? Or any idea what the rates are?

I kind of thought it would be similar to Spain which seems to be like 250-400.

First 2 responses I got have been 600 and 2 k LOL.

[KilledSoul]

Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.Argentinian women are considered to be the most liberal and beautiful in South America? Can anybody who has had and SD / SB relationship shed some light on how it compares to CDMX and Medellin scene? Asking because general impression is that Argentinian women are haughtier than their South American sisters.

[MiamiBoy1]

Argentina may be the best place currently, the currency is in the literal shitter. The unofficial exchange rate is 2 x what the official rate is, & the recently the government cut the value of the Peso by 13% to really no effect. The government needs to cut the rate by 100% to get in line with the unofficial blue dollar rate.Yeah, but girls charge you dollars, not pesos. $200-$300 is the going rate according to other posters. If you can shell out 300 usd, you can actually go any place south of USA.

[Foolish]

Argentinian women are considered to be the most liberal and beautiful in South America? Can anybody who has had and SD / SB relationship shed some light on how it compares to CDMX and Medellin scene? Asking because general impression is that Argentinian women are haughtier than their South American sisters.

Ted's 2 month experience (he has SBs in MDE and Sao Paulo) http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2767316&viewfull=1#post2767316.

My read from his experience: get a hotel, have low expectations and have backups of backups haha.

[AluHut]

My first experience with SA in Frankfurt was funny and sad at the same time. One girl was nice, we quickly moved to tg, where she asked more of my photos. And then she blocked me both on on SA and tg. Another one literally said "I don't sleep with a man on a first date". WTF, are you sure this isn't just a more expensive Tinder?

[FilthyBeaver]

It's all about their motivation and a small amount of chemistry. I met a girl and we had an amazing connection at dinner. Ended up being tye most I've ever paid and wouldn't do it again but I had a great time. She was supporting herself with no help from her parents (so she said). She needed the money and wasn't repulsed by me. Winners all around.


My first experience with SA in Frankfurt was funny and sad at the same time. One girl was nice, we quickly moved to tg, where she asked more of my photos. And then she blocked me both on on SA and tg. Another one literally said "I don't sleep with a man on a first date". WTF, are you sure this isn't just a more expensive Tinder?

[AmericanPi]

My first experience with SA in Frankfurt was funny and sad at the same time. One girl was nice, we quickly moved to tg, where she asked more of my photos. And then she blocked me both on on SA and tg. Another one literally said "I don't sleep with a man on a first date". WTF, are you sure this isn't just a more expensive Tinder?This is going to come out awful, but I'm still going to say it.

This is why I don't do seeking in high COL countries like the Nordics, Germany, Austria, Belgium, etc.

The social safety net is too good. Not that there aren't girls who need the money. But not enough.

London is an exception because it's such a magnet for people of all stripes and it doesn't have the same social dynamics.

But I don't see the point of seeking where there isn't a true density of girls who really want to be on the other side of the equation. Not that there are none. I'm just talking about quantity and density.

[AluHut]

It's all about their motivation and a small amount of chemistry. I met a girl and we had an amazing connection at dinner. Ended up being tye most I've ever paid and wouldn't do it again but I had a great time. She was supporting herself with no help from her parents (so she said). She needed the money and wasn't repulsed by me. Winners all around.I'm not sure what you were trying to say. Chemistry is important, for me as well. But it's not something you can easily understand from a couple of photos. My point was that the girls don't really know what they are doing, or even what do they want. And to be fully honest - I willing to make an extra effort for someone with potential to be exceptional, but those two were more or less usual young bimbos.

[FilthyBeaver]

There are definitely fewer profiles in high col countries. Admittedly I only use seeking so maybe there's a similar nut to crack in each country but I haven't had much luck finding them. In places where pfp is legal it's just too convenient and dare I say cheap to find it. Genuine GFE from a bonified uni girl will always be the holy grail for me and I sweat that has more to do with luck than anything else, seeking is the best place to score that IMO.


This is going to come out awful, but I'm still going to say it.

This is why I don't do seeking in high COL countries like the Nordics, Germany, Austria, Belgium, etc.

The social safety net is too good. Not that there aren't girls who need the money. But not enough.

London is an exception because it's such a magnet for people of all stripes and it doesn't have the same social dynamics.

But I don't see the point of seeking where there isn't a true density of girls who really want to be on the other side of the equation. Not that there are none. I'm just talking about quantity and density.

[Gfefan]

Figured it's a Google voice number. LOL. Called from a random different number.

No answer. Perhaps, she changed her number. Perhaps, she let her subscription expire. Whatever.

Will stay silent for a while. Give another try. If nothing works, screw it. Plenty of fish in European waters.


Maybe something's going on in her personal life? Either something bad or something good like finding a BF. I would stay mum for a while or check to see if you can help in any way.

[BlueMoon22]

Argentinian women are considered to be the most liberal and beautiful in South America? Can anybody who has had and SD / SB relationship shed some light on how it compares to CDMX and Medellin scene? Asking because general impression is that Argentinian women are haughtier than their South American sisters.I was planning a trip to BA and with what I was finding was they were all wanting fairly steep allowances for a country that is in such bad shape economically.

[Intelligencium]

Hi folks,

I am meeting a SB tomorrow through seeking. We discussed money over whatsapp (with my fake name and a virtual number) and she also talked about what she does (no anal, yes condom etc). Given that paying for sex is illegal in US, do you take any precautions? I guess there is a 0. 001% chance that she will bring along LE. Or a 0. 01% chance that she blackmails later on.

In Spain I wasn't worried since sex for money is legal there.