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FunToosh6045
02-22-24, 17:19
Hello brothers,
From your experience can you help to have a ballpark idea of allowances PPM of girls in following places.
Vienna.
Prague.
Budapest.
Madrid.
London.
North london. Mostly university cities.
Smaller cities in south of France.
AmericanPi
02-23-24, 03:03
Don't worry, this "pickiness" (choose your own word) is pretty normal. I used to do the FKKs and I did enjoy my Romanian girls for a while, but that was 10+ years ago, so I don't have that itch in general (and when I heard of how locally it's not a great scene, it ended that thread for me). I generally don't have a type in terms of racial background, but if you like GFE, Brazil probably has the broadest spectrum of looks diversity PLUS GFE / Illusion of Passion (or whatever you want to call it). Costa Rica, DR, Colombia, Panama. They have been run through (like many places) and pretty much ruined from visitors (Brazil has it's own changes over the years, but more isolated it seems).
Interesting on the escort part, I used to partake a lot until I started haning out with a few, off the books. Have never returned to that scene (at least locally).
Unless I've missed my guess, most of us in this thread like natural spinner / GND / model types with the least augmentation / fillers / makeup and good conversation / vibes while hanging out / travelling. But I'm sure we probably won't like the same girls. Picky? Ha. So other than enjoying Brazil, Montreal is another great place for food / drink / spinners & French Canadian uninhibited attitudes. I personally enjoy checking out different places, to "crack the code" of the local (or imported) hotties, even if I tend towards the bigger cities.
F.I think you and I are the same person. I could've written this post almost verbatim. Everything except hanging out with escorts.
BTW, regarding FKK, I tell people it's something you have to do once in your life. And it's amazing and awe inspiring. But it's like Vegas. The first time is amazing. After that it goes downhill fast.
FilthyBeaver
02-23-24, 04:16
I love Canadians, they are so annoyingly friendly. Used to pick a city there every year with a college friend and go just to go. Without fail, every trip we took, some random girl (s) would chat us up as we were minding our own business. What planet does this happen on? I don't think either of us would consider ourselves above average in the looks department and we weren't drinking 1 k bottles of champagne but it would always shock me that we'd seem to end at least one night of the trip chatting up a friendly girl. In Montreal, had a McGill student chat us up, ended up swapping numbers and invited us to play poker with her and her her friends the next day (unfortunately our last in town so had to pass). Also in Montreal had an absolutely gorgeous college girl from BC working in a bar invite me to Calgary when she goes back to school, even told me the bar she'd be working in if I had trouble finding her. This stuff doesn't happen anywhere else that I know of. I was married at the time and trying to be good so I never took a trip to Calgary but I do regret it.
We ended up spending way too much time in strip clubs in Montreal which was a complete waste of time and money.
I've been kicking around opening a new paid account to do some shopping in Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal for a long weekend but I'm happy enough with my current SB it's not more than a thought. I don't recall many posts about Canada on this thread. I wonder if anyone is cashing in on the great Canadian national personality.
Unless I've missed my guess, most of us in this thread like natural spinner / GND / model types with the least augmentation / fillers / makeup and good conversation / vibes while hanging out / travelling. But I'm sure we probably won't like the same girls. Picky? Ha. So other than enjoying Brazil, Montreal is another great place for food / drink / spinners & French Canadian uninhibited attitudes. I personally enjoy checking out different places, to "crack the code" of the local (or imported) hotties, even if I tend towards the bigger cities.
F.
FilthyBeaver
02-23-24, 04:58
The first thought that came to mind when I walked into Sharks first time was Vegas. Gaudy neon, huge open space, all sizes and shapes of human being (naked or mostly naked) which, by the way, is not a positive comment. Even had a few gambling machines thrown in for good measure. Aside from the size of the buffet I could have easily convinced myself I was in a casino.
Can't beat it for convenience but the scene gets old really quick.
BTW, regarding FKK, I tell people it's something you have to do once in your life. And it's amazing and awe inspiring. But it's like Vegas. The first time is amazing. After that it goes downhill fast.
Steve 9696
02-24-24, 02:42
Had some odd timing with my São Paulo visit where I was going to be here for a few days, then away for a few days, and then back again. There is this amazing girl Manuella with whom I had an awesome Seeking date in Rio. A true 9. 5 and ton of fun. So I am considering taking sand to the beach (Rio to SP) because she's been staying in touch over the last year (and saying when can we meet again.
I'm a bit torn because SP is so target rich but damn we had chemistry. I finally settle on the plan to spend the first four days in SP at the Boates (6 girls it turns out) and then fly Manu from Rio to SP for a few days when we return. I think she prob won't be down for such a short visit but she gets someone to cover her shift and we plan the trip. She had given me an amazing price for our date in Rio and same here. Let's just say I had her for 2. 5 days for the price of an hour or two with a Scandallo girl. (And she is equally hot. She would slay at Scandallo.
A week or so prior to the date she asks me to send the money and scam alert goes on high. I tell her I never do that and she backs off. But now every time we communicate I am wondering in the back of my mind. And in fact day before the trip she asks if I can send Uber money. Again red flag, but I decide to do it. If I'm out $40 then there are tons of chicks I can see including Mia the TEN, so not sweating it.
Turns out to be legit and she actually shows! We have a fuck of a time finding each other but soon I see this tanned goddess approaching and I know it's her. She throws her arms around me and kisses me and says I missed you so much baby. It's so amazing and affectionate and I'm like how the fuck could we have one three hour date and just fall back into it. But here she is!
To recap, Manu is a super slim girl with an amazing ass and well done fake tits that look perfect on her frame. Her face is spectacular and her long wavy hair past her ass absolutely to die for. Add a thousand watt smile and you have Manu. Best of all, however is she is sooooo affectionate. More on that soon.
She's very confident and somewhat dominant, which is kinda a refreshing change. She grabs my hand and we walk hand in hand to the Uber. She holds my hand in her lap all the way to the hotel. Ok baby. I am all yours!
At the hotel we lose no time and are making out on the bed instantly. She kisses passionately like Brasileiras do and tongue fucks me as I grow hard. She is on top grinding and there is no question we are a couple of horny bunnies and it's on from the get go.
I won't recap the whole thing because we fucked five times in two days and honestly it's all a bit of a blur so I will just hit some highlights.
I think the first round highlight is that I gave her a massive DATY orgasm. If you followed my São Paulo antics you know my buddy Mark has been coaching up my DATY game and I brought it down on Manu. Spending a good 20 minutes and some gspot magic also (she likes circles) she has a very physical O. The only way to describe it is like a paint roller coming down from inside and squeezing your finger out. LOL. Most girls clamp around your finger at orgasm but I had the paint roller thing happen with a girl in Cinci and it's the most remarkable thing. Anyhow, mission accomplished.
That night we have the most spectacular sushi dinner at a restaurant only a block away and have a lovely bottle of wine as well. We eat till we are stuffed and it's it USD $70 including the wine. I love Brazil! And then of course we fuck again! Eight hours in and two shots in the rearview. This girl is a tiger.
As I write this I am reminded of the things I love most about this girl. And one is affection. At dinner that first night we must have kissed at least ten times. She just gets this look of lust in her eyes and purses her lips and we meet halfway across the table for a lovely kiss. Right there in the restaurant. At lunch she's saying how much she loves my eyes. And she just wants to look into them, which we do for long periods. Hers a lovely liquid chocolate. She will softly kiss or stroke my arm or tongue fuck me or grab my ass in public when the mood strikes her. She's a hot as fuck vixen.
The other thing I love about her is the way she interacted with my friend Mark. We were going down for a drink and I asked if she minded if my friend Mark joined and she was like "why would I mind? Of course. " And throughout the couple days, yes we had lots of private time, but we also hung out the three of us together and laughed and drank and just had a blast. She's just a free spirit. When Mark left for the airport he came by our room to say bye. She sprang from the bed and gave him a huge hug and bom voyage. Her affection could light up the world.
Second day I have work and she stays behind and goes to the pool. Hard to keep a straight face when she sends me a bikini shot in the middle of a meeting. Fuck she has a rockin body.
Don't quite recall the afternoon sex but that's not because it wasnt good. Just not AS good. But important ground work was laid. I am dying to fuck her bare (I am smitten with her!) but know that's a tough nut to crack. Nonetheless in the heat of the moment I make a half hearted attempt which she rebuffs sweetly. As I grab the condom I say "maybe later" and she says yes maybe later. Hmmm interesting.
And I def recall that she strips off her dress in one fluid motion and has no panties nor did she wear any the entire trip!
Later that night, we have some superb Italian and a wonderful Malbec which we both adore. Many cross table kisses and I'm getting a chub knowing she has no panties on just inches away. Back in the room it is just the most lovely chemistry. I had given her a back massage on our first date which she adores so I reprise that. It's kinda a secret weapon and gets girls horny as fuck.
Stripping off her dress, she's buck naked and I get to my undies for the massage. I grind her ass crack with my dick as I give a legit back massage. Then I get my undies off and start on her ass. I am licking the backs of her legs and massaging her ass and dropping my tongue into her sweet juices from behind from time to time.
I straddle her again and start massage, working my way down to her ass. As I grind her ass crack with my dick I push it down to her pussy opening and say I will just touch it. But soon she is grinding in a circle and starting to inch my dick inside her. Before long I am fully inserted bareback and it's on! Love that SHE did it not me. I just had to make the opportunity!
OMG. No words for bareback with this goddess. Just absolutely epic. We are drunk as fuck and so despite the ecstatic feel, we go forever, eventually collapsing from pure sweaty exhaustion. But what a fuckton of fun.
Third day is our last day and I have to work again. But when I come "home" she showers me in kisses, like the best girlfriend you could imagine. We decide to bop to the bar and split a Caipirinha so I can perform well —- she seems excited by this. And strategic guy I am, I sit next to her rather than across so she can access my mouth more easily. She says several times how much she will miss me and tongue fucks me heartily in front of everyone. Like five times. Love this girl.
Back in the room we cuddle briefly and we are making out like teenagers. She's one of those girls whose pussy is connected directly to her mouth because when she pulls off her dress she already has pussy juice dripping down her butt! From kissing! Love that.
I do her tits well with my mouth which she loves then some DATY and she tastes like a million bucks. I take off my undies and there is no hesitation this time. She pulls me towards her urgently and inserts my rock hard dick right inside her and gasps.
OMG. So amazing. We fuck in every position we can think of but the Steve is the ticket. I'the been teaching her English so she is yelling out "Fuck me teacher!" As I pound away. The sex is just too fucking good. I want to do more but I feel the build and pullout and shoot a shattering load that hits just below her tits. Wow.
The next couple hours are kiss and spoon and cuddle. She gives me an amazing fairwell kiss at my Uber and turns away with tears in her eyes. Me too! It was awesome. I hope to fly her somewhere soon.
In January, I posted a few observations about my initial contacts with same ladies on Seeking in the Paris thread of the France forum here on ISG. I noted that I was cautiously optimistic about my chances during my upcoming visit. I came back from my one week trip to Paris earlier this month and here is my brief report.
I met three desirable ladies in person (I will call them Femme 1, Femme 2 and Femme 3), had dinner with all three and sex with two of the three. I didn't pay anything beyond the cost of dinner for the social time that I spent with all three and I paid 300 Euros each to the two that I had sex with.
Femme 1 was the first one that I met on my second night in Paris. She is a 30 ish, pretty, fit, blond, well educated and interesting single woman who is employed fulltime at a financial institution. It was easy to set up a date with her and she never mentioned money even once during our messaging on WhatsApp. In fact, since we never did consummate our relationship, she never mentioned money when I was with her in person either. She was the most attractive of the three women that I met. In the USA a woman with her looks could easily command $500+ on a PPM basis on Seeking.
We started off with a drink at a cafe close to my hotel and she seemed interested in spending more time with me so I suggested dinner at a nearby nice but modest restaurant and she agreed. Though she spoke some English, my French was much better than her English and so we conversed in French. The conversation flowed pretty easily and I found myself feeling that it was hard to believe that things could go so well, especially compared to how challenging it can be to find desirable women where I live in the USA (mid size city in the southeast USA). Dinner and wine were good and we walked back to my hotel. I invited her to come up to my room to "listen to some music" since we had talked about our tastes in music (I always travel with a Sony mini speaker for such occasions). I was surprised when she accepted because it was late and she had to work the next day but when good fortune smiles on me, I don't don't question it.
So we went up to my room and sitting close to each other, we listened to and talked about music. In the back of mind, I kept thinking that she would give me a clear signal to discuss sex and a price that would please her and me but she never ventured there. Strangely, I got the feeling that she viewed Seeking as more or less a normal dating site and that sex on a first date was just not something that she did. She mentioned that a friend of hers had met a guy on Seeking and gotten married to him.
Since she was not giving me the green light, I didn't want to offend her by making an explicit proposition so I didn't, but I was hoping that maybe a second date the next day would lead to sex. We did hold hands and we kissed lightly a couple times. Nevertheless, I was puzzled. Why would she pick me, old enough to be her father to go on a normal date with? I was well-qualified to be her client in a mutually satisfying business deal, but I couldn't understand why she would spend her time with me--a foreigner, in town for only a week and significantly older than her-- on a normal date. But I enjoyed spending time with her and I wasn't bothered by the fact that we clearly were not going to have sex that night.
We eventually called it a night and she said she would like to see me again while I was in town, maybe to do something during the day on her day off or to have another dinner. I said I would love that and she left. Since it has been a while since I had had a dinner companion of her beauty and charm, I was happy with my evening and hopeful for a different end to a second meeting.
I think you and I are the same person. I could've written this post almost verbatim. Everything except hanging out with escorts.
Ha, most interesting, I think we (in this thread) generally have similar / broad goals of good times (LT) with various women.
The escorts part was unexpected and pretty interesting. The 2 most memorable were: an angel as my GFE super sweetheart, who pretty much set my standard and a seemingly sweet devil who tricked many guys (I didn't know it at the time, got out unscathed luckily). Definitely an eventful year, many moons ago. This showed me even more of what is possible, but to be always cautious.
And yes, FKKs or any other "legendary" scenes definitely need to be checked out for ones' self. May or may not be a repeat, but I definitely look forward to finally visiting Scandallo in SP as my trip got cut short.
I was happy with my evening and hopeful for a different end to a second meeting.Interesting. Curious to see where this goes!
I love Canadians, they are so annoyingly friendly... I've been kicking around opening a new paid account to do some shopping in Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal for a long weekend but I'm happy enough with my current SB it's not more than a thought. I don't recall many posts about Canada on this thread. I wonder if anyone is cashing in on the great Canadian national personality.I have yet to partake in the CAD SB scene, but I believe FastMdSter has had great results.
F.
FilthyBeaver
02-26-24, 00:47
But if she's sitting the bed, she's open for business especially if she agreed to come upstairs for some cheesy line like "listening to music. ".
Made that mistake a couple times very early on. I realize the fact that she's even there is mind-boggling (it gets me every time). But you missed an opportunity. Next time bang her.
In January, I posted a few observations about my initial contacts with same ladies on Seeking in the Paris thread of the France forum here on ISG. I noted that I was cautiously optimistic about my chances during my upcoming visit. I came back from my one week trip to Paris earlier this month and here is my brief report.
I met three desirable ladies in person (I will call them Femme 1, Femme 2 and Femme 3), had dinner with all three and sex with two of the three. I didn't pay anything beyond the cost of dinner for the social time that I spent with all three and I paid 300 Euros each to the two that I had sex with.
Femme 1 was the first one that I met on my second night in Paris. She is a 30 ish, pretty, fit, blond, well educated and interesting single woman who is employed fulltime at a financial institution. It was easy to set up a date with her and she never mentioned money even once during our messaging on WhatsApp. In fact, since we never did consummate our relationship, she never mentioned money when I was with her in person either. She was the most attractive of the three women that I met. In the USA a woman with her looks could easily command $500+ on a PPM basis on Seeking.
We started off with a drink at a cafe close to my hotel and she seemed interested in spending more time with me so I suggested dinner at a nearby nice but modest restaurant and she agreed. Though she spoke some English, my French was much better than her English and so we conversed in French. The conversation flowed pretty easily and I found myself feeling that it was hard to believe that things could go so well, especially compared to how challenging it can be to find desirable women where I live in the USA (mid size city in the southeast USA). Dinner and wine were good and we walked back to my hotel. I invited her to come up to my room to "listen to some music" since we had talked about our tastes in music (I always travel with a Sony mini speaker for such occasions). I was surprised when she accepted because it was late and she had to work the next day but when good fortune smiles on me, I don't don't question it.
So we went up to my room and sitting close to each other, we listened to and talked about music. In the back of mind, I kept thinking that she would give me a clear signal to discuss sex and a price that would please her and me but she never ventured there. Strangely, I got the feeling that she viewed Seeking as more or less a normal dating site and that sex on a first date was just not something that she did. She mentioned that a friend of hers had met a guy on Seeking and gotten married to him.
Since she was not giving me the green light, I didn't want to offend her by making an explicit proposition so I didn't, but I was hoping that maybe a second date the next day would lead to sex. We did hold hands and we kissed lightly a couple times. Nevertheless, I was puzzled. Why would she pick me, old enough to be her father to go on a normal date with? I was well-qualified to be her client in a mutually satisfying business deal, but I couldn't understand why she would spend her time with me--a foreigner, in town for only a week and significantly older than her-- on a normal date. But I enjoyed spending time with her and I wasn't bothered by the fact that we clearly were not going to have sex that night.
We eventually called it a night and she said she would like to see me again while I was in town, maybe to do something during the day on her day off or to have another dinner. I said I would love that and she left. Since it has been a while since I had had a dinner companion of her beauty and charm, I was happy with my evening and hopeful for a different end to a second meeting.
Femme 1 followed up with me the next day, but only to say that she was too tired and too busy at work to meet me that evening. I replied that I understood and let her know that I would really like to meet her again but I decided not to invest any more time and energy in her, since I would be in Paris only for several more days. If I had been sticking around longer, then I think there would have been a decent chance to turn the relationship into something worthwhile (including sex for $) but I just didn't have time, especially considering that I had other contacts to explore.
So I moved on to Femme 2. Her photos were very nice-she had a French girl next door innocence look that was very appealing but also a couple sexy bathing suit shots that were even more appealing. Also, reading between the lines of her profile, she seemed much more open to playing ball right from the start. I messaged her on WhatsApp the next day, following up on a few exchanges that we had had while I was still in the USA. She was eager and available that same night. I was somewhat relieved when she turned the back and forth on WhatsApp to the topic of compensation and specifics of a meeting. I proposed dinner and then "intimacy" back at my room for that night. She said that her rate was 400 Euros for such a PPM encounter and I replied that I was "used to" paying 200. Without hesitation she countered with 300 and I accepted.
She arrived at my hotel on time and upon meeting her in person, I liked her look but she didn't really measure up to Femme 1 in looks and charm. It was clear to me that she had done this more than a few times and maybe I wasn't catching her on her best night. Like Femme 1, she worked in finance and maybe found her job less than fulfilling and kind of boring. She had a good education and had spent a year in northern California at an American university business school. Interestingly, it was during that year that one of her classmates and friends had turned her on to Seeking. She must have been much in demand in her role as the French college girl sugar baby in America.
Dinner was fine and she was interesting to talk to. Her English was excellent and we conversed back and forth in both languages. I didn't like the restaurant where we wound up and I didn't find her as charming and appealing as Femme 1. But she was cute, young, had a pretty nice body and there were no doubts about what we would do back in my room.
So we returned to my room and got down to business. She performed well but I didn't feel any real passion during the encounter. Maybe she was thinking that I would not be around for repeat business so she didn't have to put on her best performance. I liked her, I enjoyed her company and the sex was pretty good (especially after the previous letdown with Femme 1), but if I had been staying in Paris for a while, I would not have wanted to meet her again. It seemed like there were lots more possibilities out there.
So the next day, I messaged on WhatsApp a couple more ladies with whom I had already made contact. Both responded positively to me and I got the feeling that both would be fun dates who would also provide what a man wants, though neither one brought up the subject of money. I actually like that because it made it feel like more of a challenge to reach a satisfying deal. Neither one could meet that night but both could meet the following night. I liked the looks of both-one was a more mature, MILFy and very attractive North African woman and the other was a younger (25) Eurasian cutie. I love women with a look that is a bit exotic so they both appealed to me. It was a tough choice but I picked the younger Eurasian.
So I set up a dinner date with Femme 3, the Eurasian, for the following night. We consulted about the restaurant and she recommended a traditional French place that would be convenient for both of us to reach.
She even made a reservation.
The next evening I found her waiting outside the restaurant at the appointed hour. Her photos are very nice and she lived up to them. She is a mix of southeast Asian and European and the result is very appealing. She carries a little extra weight but in a nice way with womanly curves and nice boobs. Her face is model pretty with perfect skin and a pretty smile.
She was a very charming and fun dinner companion and the meal was very good. We shared a bottle of wine and the dinner passed enjoyably. We walked back to my hotel and I invited her up to "listen to music", but I don't think I even needed to use that line again. She was happy to come back to my room.
Once in the room, she was very coy. I knew she was willing to have sex but she allowed me to move things along. After a while we wound up lounging on the bed and I initiated some physical contact including some light kisses. Wow! It was like I lit a fire inside her. She kissed back enthusiastically. With tongues. This girl was a kisser extraordinaire. She loved to kiss and allowed free roaming of my hands.
However, I wasn't sure that I was ready to take her on that night. I was tired from a long day of activity and the wine and the food didn't put me in my best form for sex. Also we still hadn't discussed her compensation. I proposed that we meet again the next night and do the bedroom activities first and then go to another dinner. I mentioned a number (300 Euros) and she said that would be good. So after more kissing and cuddling she left and I looked forward to the next night.
She returned to my hotel early the next evening and we proceeded directly to where we had left off the night before. As she undressed, she revealed that she was wearing some nice lingerie including matching white bra, panties, garter belt and stockings. I had not asked for that, but what a nice, thoughtful gesture on her part. She looked fabulous and the whole package got my motor running. The sex was great, especially in doggie position facing the full length mirror on the bathroom door (located very close to the bed in my tiny hotel room).
We finished up and went out for another nice dinner at an Italian place that she also had recommended.
So I feel like I had a successful Seeking experience in Paris. I had never used it before outside of my home area and I didn't know what to expect. But all in all, it was far better and easier to find, meet and and enjoy the intimate companionship of desirable women than in my home area. And still reasonably priced, considering that Paris is an expensive city. Quite apart from the three women that I met, I had a great time in Paris. But adding in those three interesting encounters made my week in Paris that much more enjoyable.
But if she's sitting the bed, she's open for business especially if she agreed to come upstairs for some cheesy line like "listening to music. ".
Made that mistake a couple times very early on. I realize the fact that she's even there is mind-boggling (it gets me every time). But you missed an opportunity. Next time bang her.Well, even though it was a tiny room, she wasn't sitting on the bed. I was sitting on the bed and she was in a chair next to me. I did initiate physical contact, but I didn't get the response I was hoping for (enthusiastic kissing in return).
Since it was my first foray into a Seeking encounter in a foreign land, I didn't want to put myself in a awkward situation. She had already given me some "go slow" signals, so I decided on a strategy of tactical retreat and a possible renewed offensive on Day 2 of the battle. But that never happened.
Heading to Singapore and Hong Kong for a few days each. How is the SA scene in those cities? Any advice would be appreciated.
Heading to Singapore and Hong Kong for a few days each. How is the SA scene in those cities? Any advice would be appreciated.Though I didn't meet her on Seeking, I had a great experience in Hong Kong in 2016.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?951-General-Reports&p=2028738&viewfull=1#post2028738.
Elvis 2008
02-27-24, 05:51
Though I didn't meet her on Seeking, I had a great experience in Hong Kong in 2016.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?951-General-Reports&p=2028738&viewfull=1#post2028738.Great report CR! Yeah, you did not use seeking but you had a seeking like experience. You write very well. That was like a romance novel.
Though I didn't meet her on Seeking, I had a great experience in Hong Kong in 2016.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?951-General-Reports&p=2028738&viewfull=1#post2028738.My last trip to Hong Kong was back in 2019 and I was in the city once a year. Wan Chai bars were my pick up joints and I would hook up with a Colombian or Venezuelan but I have heard the pandemic killed the business in wan chai so I am looking at other options.
My last trip to Hong Kong was back in 2019 and I was in the city once a year. Wan Chai bars were my pick up joints...but I have heard the pandemic killed the business in wan chai so I am looking at other options.During the same trip that I met Bee in a HK bar, I also spent time in Singapore. Before leaving the US, I created a profile on "Date In Asia" (https://www.dateinasia.com/). I got some good responses and contact info, including a Filipina nanny / maid and, after exchanging several messages on the site and on WhatsApp with her, we set up a "date. " Such women usually have one day off (it's usually Saturday evening until Monday morning, I think) and some are looking for a good time on their day off.
So she came to my hotel late Saturday afternoon and then spent the next 24 hours with me. I took her to dinner and then we had sex and she slept over. We had sex again in the morning--she took me bareback that time and it was nice. That day I took her to Universal Studios park in Singapore (something she had asked to do on our date) and I bought her a few small things. She never asked for payment in return for the sex. She was happy just to have a day away from work, some sex, good meals and a fun time at Universal.
So that's another approach to try. It might work as well as or better than Seeking.
Steve 9696
02-29-24, 00:56
Well, even though it was a tiny room, she wasn't sitting on the bed. I was sitting on the bed and she was in a chair next to me. I did initiate physical contact, but I didn't get the response I was hoping for (enthusiastic kissing in return).
Since it was my first foray into a Seeking encounter in a foreign land, I didn't want to put myself in a awkward situation. She had already given me some "go slow" signals, so I decided on a strategy of tactical retreat and a possible renewed offensive on Day 2 of the battle. But that never happened.You probably did the right thing. But don't sell urself short. You have it in you to seduce her that first night. A few thoughts on this:
1. As said before if she's in the bedroom you are halfway there.
2. She's prob DTF but nervous or uncomfortable.
3. I've had several dates like this. And I always start by addressing it rather than assuming. I say something like "you seem kinda nervous" or "it seems like maybe you don't have chemistry towards me. That's ok it happens some times. " And see what she says.
4. Always reassure her that you don't want to do anything she doesn't want to do.
5. And then try to move to something intimate but not threatening. Like let's just have a glass of wine and check out the view.
Recently I suggested a massage and that was the ticket. I've also twice had success say ok let's just make out but we can stop short or doing anything too intimate. And damn if we don't end up fucking!
My fave was a girl in Vegas who literally said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met". But after making out and working her tits and her pussy through her jeans 20 minutes later she says "ok we can fuck now". LOL. And she was texting her mom while we fucked that she'the be home soon. LOL.
Ps I think it was important in all of these cases I didn’t expect to end in sex. I was just doing something fun we were both comfortable with. I think the sex happened because it wasn’t the goal. It’s surprising how women can pick up on a vibe like this.
A Pretty Seductress 24 wanted 2 k USD for a short arrangement in DXB.
I said I will be back after printing my benjmans LOL.
Not sure what she likes for a longterm arrangement, couple of kidneys I guess.
You probably did the right thing. But don't sell urself short. You have it in you to seduce her that first night. A few thoughts on this.
...I think it was important in all of these cases I didnt expect to end in sex. I was just doing something fun we were both comfortable with. I think the sex happened because it wasnt the goal. Its surprising how women can pick up on a vibe like this.Thanks, Steve. That's excellent advice and I can see how I might have used it with Femme 1 in Paris. When I look back on that night, I do think that she wanted to have sex but I didn't succeed in putting her fully at ease, so I blame myself as much as her. I will put your advice to good use next time I find myself in a similar situation. Thanks!
Midwestern
03-01-24, 02:01
Ps I think it was important in all of these cases I didnt expect to end in sex. I was just doing something fun we were both comfortable with. I think the sex happened because it wasnt the goal. It’s surprising how women can pick up on a vibe like this.Good advice. Sometimes just being chill also leads to no sex, but coming on strong in these situations wasn't going to be a winning strategy anyway.
Hi all,
Just like title says: Mexican (living in cdmx, not only visiting) do exist.
We understand local culture, but your input is much appreciated.
Yes, we might increase prices for you all (not that it'll make any difference to your finances, but it helps avoid exploitation).
It's great here (MX in general, cdmx in particular), just give back what's fair.
Where is the report?
Hi all,
Just like title says: Mexican (living in cdmx, not only visiting) do exist.
We understand local culture, but your input is much appreciated.
Yes, we might increase prices for you all (not that it'll make any difference to your finances, but it helps avoid exploitation).
It's great here (MX in general, cdmx in particular), just give back what's fair.
DramaFree11
03-01-24, 23:57
Where is the report?Exactly, everyone wants free advice, then they are the first to complain, when the he trip does not go as planned. SA takes Hard work, Time, Money, luck and some game.
Absolutely. I'm with you.
Can't wait to arrange. Right now I'm busy, but hope soon.
Exactly, everyone wants free advice, then they are the first to complain, when the he trip does not go as planned. SA takes Hard work, Time, Money, luck and some game.
Happy for your experience. Thanks for sharing.
This seems to be the norm for most European cities. A good dinner + 300 EUR gets great sex. Lets not let it inflate.
Femme 1 followed up with me the next day, but only to say that she was too tired and too busy at work to meet me that evening. I replied that I understood and let her know that I would really like to meet her again but I decided not to invest any more time and energy in her, since I would be in Paris only for several more days. If I had been sticking around longer, then I think there would have been a decent chance to turn the relationship into something worthwhile (including sex for $) but I just didn't have time, especially considering that I had other contacts to explore.
So I moved on to Femme 2. Her photos were very nice-she had a French girl next door innocence look that was very appealing but also a couple sexy bathing suit shots that were even more appealing. Also, reading between the lines of her profile, she seemed much more open to playing ball right from the start. I messaged her on WhatsApp the next day, following up on a few exchanges that we had had while I was still in the USA. She was eager and available that same night. I was somewhat relieved when she turned the back and forth on WhatsApp to the topic of compensation and specifics of a meeting. I proposed dinner and then "intimacy" back at my room for that night. She said that her rate was 400 Euros for such a PPM encounter and I replied that I was "used to" paying 200. Without hesitation she countered with 300 and I accepted.
She arrived at my hotel on time and upon meeting her in person, I liked her look but she didn't really measure up to Femme 1 in looks and charm. It was clear to me that she had done this more than a few times and maybe I wasn't catching her on her best night. Like Femme 1, she worked in finance and maybe found her job less than fulfilling and kind of boring. She had a good education and had spent a year in northern California at an American university business school. Interestingly, it was during that year that one of her classmates and friends had turned her on to Seeking. She must have been much in demand in her role as the French college girl sugar baby in America.
Dinner was fine and she was interesting to talk to. Her English was excellent and we conversed back and forth in both languages. I didn't like the restaurant where we wound up and I didn't find her as charming and appealing as Femme 1. But she was cute, young, had a pretty nice body and there were no doubts about what we would do back in my room.
So we returned to my room and got down to business. She performed well but I didn't feel any real passion during the encounter. Maybe she was thinking that I would not be around for repeat business so she didn't have to put on her best performance. I liked her, I enjoyed her company and the sex was pretty good (especially after the previous letdown with Femme 1), but if I had been staying in Paris for a while, I would not have wanted to meet her again. It seemed like there were lots more possibilities out there.
So the next day, I messaged on WhatsApp a couple more ladies with whom I had already made contact. Both responded positively to me and I got the feeling that both would be fun dates who would also provide what a man wants, though neither one brought up the subject of money. I actually like that because it made it feel like more of a challenge to reach a satisfying deal. Neither one could meet that night but both could meet the following night. I liked the looks of both-one was a more mature, MILFy and very attractive North African woman and the other was a younger (25) Eurasian cutie. I love women with a look that is a bit exotic so they both appealed to me. It was a tough choice but I picked the younger Eurasian.
So I set up a dinner date with Femme 3, the Eurasian, for the following night. We consulted about the restaurant and she recommended a traditional French place that would be convenient for both of us to reach.
She even made a reservation.
The next evening I found her waiting outside the restaurant at the appointed hour. Her photos are very nice and she lived up to them. She is a mix of southeast Asian and European and the result is very appealing. She carries a little extra weight but in a nice way with womanly curves and nice boobs. Her face is model pretty with perfect skin and a pretty smile.
She was a very charming and fun dinner companion and the meal was very good. We shared a bottle of wine and the dinner passed enjoyably. We walked back to my hotel and I invited her up to "listen to music", but I don't think I even needed to use that line again. She was happy to come back to my room.
Once in the room, she was very coy. I knew she was willing to have sex but she allowed me to move things along. After a while we wound up lounging on the bed and I initiated some physical contact including some light kisses. Wow! It was like I lit a fire inside her. She kissed back enthusiastically. With tongues. This girl was a kisser extraordinaire. She loved to kiss and allowed free roaming of my hands.
However, I wasn't sure that I was ready to take her on that night. I was tired from a long day of activity and the wine and the food didn't put me in my best form for sex. Also we still hadn't discussed her compensation. I proposed that we meet again the next night and do the bedroom activities first and then go to another dinner. I mentioned a number (300 Euros) and she said that would be good. So after more kissing and cuddling she left and I looked forward to the next night.
She returned to my hotel early the next evening and we proceeded directly to where we had left off the night before. As she undressed, she revealed that she was wearing some nice lingerie including matching white bra, panties, garter belt and stockings. I had not asked for that, but what a nice, thoughtful gesture on her part. She looked fabulous and the whole package got my motor running. The sex was great, especially in doggie position facing the full length mirror on the bathroom door (located very close to the bed in my tiny hotel room).
We finished up and went out for another nice dinner at an Italian place that she also had recommended.
So I feel like I had a successful Seeking experience in Paris. I had never used it before outside of my home area and I didn't know what to expect. But all in all, it was far better and easier to find, meet and and enjoy the intimate companionship of desirable women than in my home area. And still reasonably priced, considering that Paris is an expensive city. Quite apart from the three women that I met, I had a great time in Paris. But adding in those three interesting encounters made my week in Paris that much more enjoyable.
Do you ever invest time in chatting with girls "platonic" and try to convert them? Or is it a waste of time?
Of late, I see some profiles on west coast. Interesting, GND, my type girls.
But they are looking for "platonic". I know US has golden pussy syndrome. It seems to be going towards only gold. No pussy now.
Steve 9696
03-07-24, 00:10
Do you ever invest time in chatting with girls "platonic" and try to convert them? Or is it a waste of time?
Of late, I see some profiles on west coast. Interesting, GND, my type girls.
But they are looking for "platonic". I know US has golden pussy syndrome. It seems to be going towards only gold. No pussy now.Usually a platonic tag means platonic only. I've had girls say "oh I put that to say I am open to it, not that is the only thing I'the do". I of course counsel that if she wants some action she should remove it because guys screen it out. So yeah there can be girls who out of ignorance put it.
I usually addres it in the chat if they are worth pursuing. But if she's like on only platonic or only online then next next.
FilthyBeaver
03-07-24, 15:38
But I love these profiles. I play a little game with myself because one if two things happens. They delete their accounts when they find out they're wasting their time or they remove it and keep the account hoping to land a guy. I like to guess how long it takes for either to happen based on the way they write in their profile.
Do you ever invest time in chatting with girls "platonic" and try to convert them? Or is it a waste of time?
Of late, I see some profiles on west coast. Interesting, GND, my type girls.
But they are looking for "platonic". I know US has golden pussy syndrome. It seems to be going towards only gold. No pussy now.
AmericanPi
03-07-24, 15:46
Do you ever invest time in chatting with girls "platonic" and try to convert them? Or is it a waste of time?
Of late, I see some profiles on west coast. Interesting, GND, my type girls.
But they are looking for "platonic". I know US has golden pussy syndrome. It seems to be going towards only gold. No pussy now.It seems a bit like going to a lesbian bar because hey you never know maybe that cute girl is straight and is just accompanying her friends right?
I'd say you're better off fishing where the fish are. Platonic = red flag to me.
Well, how do you guys feel about having your profiles favorited by people who never even looked at them? When I was very active on the site, I found a high correlation between that and the person being a fake, flake, fraudster, or scammer. Has that been your experience as well?
FilthyBeaver
03-08-24, 03:21
I tried to start a convo about how to spot catfishers and fakes a while back but it never got off the ground. A single picture is also a red flag for me as is any pics in Dubai or model / magazine quality pics.
I'm fairly liberal about giving out my number early on when I get someone on the hook but I'd say once every 6 mo or so someone trues to text me under the auspices of having the wrong number only to try to flip the conversation and befriend me. It's harmless and sometimes I choose to screw with them but fir the uninitiated any person who sends you their pic after 2 two texts under the auspices of a wrong number is scamming you! There. My PSA for the day.
Well, how do you guys feel about having your profiles favorited by people who never even looked at them? When I was very active on the site, I found a high correlation between that and the person being a fake, flake, fraudster, or scammer. Has that been your experience as well?
Well, how do you guys feel about having your profiles favorited by people who never even looked at them? When I was very active on the site, I found a high correlation between that and the person being a fake, flake, fraudster, or scammer. Has that been your experience as well?Common, I don't have picture and I woke up this morning to have 6, only one read my profile.
It's like Tinder, many just blindly swipe everyone to increase matches.
And this from time to time, has not asked me to send money yet. haha
Steve 9696
03-08-24, 15:33
I honestly completely ignore the favorites section. I don't really care who favorites me because if I'm interested ima going to find you before you find me.
I really manage my whole seeking world thru search and chat. Favorites meh. I do sometimes look at who read my profile but only if I am in a chat and think "did she even read my profile because it seems like not".
But yeah. I browse and I chat. That's it.
DwayneJohnson
03-08-24, 17:28
This maybe a weird question. How do you breakup with long-term sugar baby? I am in a situation that I have more girls than I could handle simultaneously. Should I do it the way normally done for a girlfriend or straight forward without any beating around the Bush?
FilthyBeaver
03-08-24, 18:33
I've been the one dumped for all my LT SBs but I guess it depends on if she's on a monthly allowance or ppm. If it's an allowance you can tell her it doesn't work for you anymore (honest) or your brother lost his job and you need to help him out (less than honest) or cut her off and ghost her with no explanation (douche move and very dicey if she knows anything about you). If she's ppm you have a third choice which would be to stop calling. Don't be a douche and ghost her but stop calling, she'll get the hint. Return her texts / calls and just tell her you're not available. Keep in mind they have way more options than we do, she'll find a date the day she's over you.
This maybe a weird question. How do you breakup with long-term sugar baby? I am in a situation that I have more girls than I could handle simultaneously. Should I do it the way normally done for a girlfriend or straight forward without any beating around the Bush?
Steve 9696
03-08-24, 18:36
This maybe a weird question. How do you breakup with long-term sugar baby? I am in a situation that I have more girls than I could handle simultaneously. Should I do it the way normally done for a girlfriend or straight forward without any beating around the Bush?Depends. Are these multiple LOCAL sugar babies? Because yeah that's a bit problematic. If they are girls in other cities I never break up. Just go quiet or say you aren't visiting soon. Basically just keep them warm.
DwayneJohnson
03-08-24, 21:23
Depends. Are these multiple LOCAL sugar babies? Because yeah that's a bit problematic. If they are girls in other cities I never break up. Just go quiet or say you aren't visiting soon. Basically just keep them warm.Thanks, they are all local, monthly payments and know my apartment entry codes (need to change that too). I will try FilthyBeaver's idea of helping out broke brother excuse.
Elvis 2008
03-08-24, 21:32
This maybe a weird question. How do you breakup with long-term sugar baby? I am in a situation that I have more girls than I could handle simultaneously. Should I do it the way normally done for a girlfriend or straight forward without any beating around the Bush?I would tell them you are having financial issues and cannot afford to pay them. Maybe one will offer to keep seeing you for nothing.
AmericanPi
03-09-24, 17:35
This maybe a weird question. How do you breakup with long-term sugar baby? I am in a situation that I have more girls than I could handle simultaneously. Should I do it the way normally done for a girlfriend or straight forward without any beating around the Bush?I've never had to terminate a relationship like this. Because I tend to do PPM. Sometimes multiple times, but never long-term arrangement.
Let me tell you something. I run a company. Lots of employees. I've learned over and over and over again that direct honest communication is the key. People always think they have to beat around the Bush, or tell a different interpretation of the truth. When somebody sits in front of another person, and just tells the unvarnished truth, it's disarming. Of course, there is some art involved. There's a difference between bluntness and candor. You have to have some finesse and empathy. But the truth wins every time.
I say this knowing full well the irony of posting such a thing on this board.
I am going to try a combo of this approach and FB's.
She is too good to resist. There is tinge of newness in the way she talks / interacts. If things go well, I might have found my keeper.
Worst case, I burn a few hours chatting, few $ hosting a dinner.
But the upside seems too good. Let's see.
Usually a platonic tag means platonic only. I've had girls say "oh I put that to say I am open to it, not that is the only thing I'the do". I of course counsel that if she wants some action she should remove it because guys screen it out. So yeah there can be girls who out of ignorance put it.
I usually addres it in the chat if they are worth pursuing. But if she's like on only platonic or only online then next next.
FilthyBeaver
03-09-24, 19:35
Poker is a metaphor for most parts of life. If you want to be in the game you need to ante. Someone goes first. It makes sense to me that it's the monger as the girls have been promised all kinds of shit that has never come to fruition. Also since we're the ones with the money they make the sales pitch and we decide to pay or not. Money talks as the saying goes, abd bullshit walks. Go to Walmart and ask them if you can load your toilet paper into your car and come back and pay them once you're done. What do you think the answer will be?
This is not a cheap hobby if anyone is uncomfortable with it go to your run of the mill AMP. If you can't afford that, run down the nearest street with pimps and hookers. You are not going to get a 20 something reasonably intelligent college girl or young professional for $100. You can easy get an over weight Korean or 50 year old Chinese lady for that price in my tier 1 coastal city.
I am going to try a combo of this approach and FB's.
She is too good to resist. There is tinge of newness in the way she talks / interacts. If things go well, I might have found my keeper.
Worst case, I burn a few hours chatting, few $ hosting a dinner.
But the upside seems too good. Let's see.
Any advice for making photo's unsearchable and more private?
I remember a member saying they use a face blending merging app or tool that combines your face with a celebrity, but I don't remember exactly how they said they did it.
For those experienced in Brazil, are your profile bios in English or Portuguese? Mine is English written, with US location.
I messaged two girls not exactly this but along the lines of, "I'm using Google Translate and will be in Rio in a few weeks. Interested in mutually beneficial arrangement and I always help out with cash". One blocked me, other ignored. Usually when they ignore me, I'll throw out a number in this case, are $1,000. That's a high number in Sao Paulo but still ignored.
My pictures are slightly blurred with me standing against a backdrop of city or outdoor nature views. My bio is a paragraph of my interests and a few sentences. I wrote I'm negotiatiable, open minded, looking for NSA also. Maybe it's the age? I'm almost 30, but since my profile is expiring, remaking it at 31 is possible. Both Income at 100,000.
I don't really mind having my face shown overseas if it helps. My trips would be for 2 week visits, not long term stays. For those with success in these countries, what's your profile bio like, pics, and how do you open with the women?
Steve 9696
03-11-24, 17:01
For those experienced in Brazil, are your profile bios in English or Portuguese? Mine is English written, with US location.
I messaged two girls not exactly this but along the lines of, "I'm using Google Translate and will be in Rio in a few weeks. Interested in mutually beneficial arrangement and I always help out with cash". One blocked me, other ignored. Usually when they ignore me, I'll throw out a number in this case, are $1,000. That's a high number in Sao Paulo but still ignored.
My pictures are slightly blurred with me standing against a backdrop of city or outdoor nature views. My bio is a paragraph of my interests and a few sentences. I wrote I'm negotiatiable, open minded, looking for NSA also. Maybe it's the age? I'm almost 30, but since my profile is expiring, remaking it at 31 is possible. Both Income at 100,000.
I don't really mind having my face shown overseas if it helps. My trips would be for 2 week visits, not long term stays. For those with success in these countries, what's your profile bio like, pics, and how do you open with the women?You don't need to be in anything other than English. You don't need pics. Girls will ask for them once you move over to WhatsApp.
Main thing is to not be so direct. Unless you are just looking for hookers. In which case there are other places. I wrote a guide on how to chat up SA girls and while written primarily for USA it largely applies to South America also. The girls you are looking for on Seeking want to rationalize that they are good girls. So you try to stay away from money for sex. Less true outside the US but still. Actually two hotties I scored in Mexico (see reports three weeks back) would have run for the hills if there was a hint of money for sex.
I will repost the guide here. Perhaps other seniors want to respond with where it's off base or could use some international spin.
I will note however that in addition to the long texting game, I have had very good success with spontaneous dates. When I am in town I say "Going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" I have scored some serious hottie s this way including a Rio 9. 5.
Steve 9696
03-11-24, 17:05
Here is my guide from a few years back. I need to update it a bit so any and all feedback welcome!
Seeking Arrangement Saves the Day -- Release from Pussy Prison.
Good as it was to discover P411 and get out of complete pussy drought, Seeking Arrangement opened a whole new world for me -- Sugar Baby. Sugar Daddy dating. I had gotten a taste of this with Thifany. I mean that is really what we were doing when I flew her to London. I paid her a very reasonable allowance for the week and we just played boyfriend and girlfriend. What fun.
I came to realize through the Thifany experience that I like more than just paid sex. And in fact I love having a girlfriend. I enjoy texting each other. I enjoy that someone cares about me (even if she's pretending -- just never tell me so!) and of course I love the complete experience of dinners and dancing and just acting like real lovers. Not transactional sex partners. And SB / SD is all about this same experience. When done properly.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second.
Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive), there is a set of rules you have to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl in a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some texting game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.
The most important rule when vibing with a girl and getting a meeting set up is: never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on the Seeking Arrangements platform and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat. Plus, it can get you booted from SA for life if you are reported. Don't worry, there are ways to have this conversation properly, explained below.
Start your engagement with a girl with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative and the conversation will just die. You have to drive it; and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself: what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person. It doesn't really matter what you discuss; just something that will get her to engage a bit.
At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably well and one or the other will suggest taking the conversation off of SA and over to text. If tries to take you offline right away, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text. But don't do it too early – this spooks the nice girls. Have a conversation over a few days and then take it off SA to texting.
Once you are texting, pick up the thread you had going and continue a little friendly chat. At some point, you will suggest that you think you vibe well and should meet up. Most often she will agree and now its time to establish that you will have sex (without saying it!) and how much is the agreed price (without saying it's a price! Some guys cover the price discussion in person, but I find that awkward and always set it ahead of time.
Once she's said "yeah, lets meetup" I say I want to describe our date to her (this is how I introduce the sex topic without getting explicit.) I usually say something about going out for dinner or drinks and having an epic time, laughing a lot and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX!) or on the off chance we don't vibe, we can part after dinner no harm no foul. And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often, if they are the kind of girl you are after, they will be down with this description and say, sure that sounds good.
This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift / allowance. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway.
Never ever say "what's your price" or "how much do you charge for PPM". Always use the approach above, that you want to give them something. Sometimes, she will say she doesn't know and get you to give the first figure (good negotiating tactic on her part, but often they are in fact new). I am OK with this and say "well, what I've done before is 300. I hope that works for you. " (note no $ sign).
As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more – I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.
Once you have said "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.
Having done this alot (more than 50 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date – it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead – even if that lead is to the hotel room.
Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!
Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.
DramaFree11
03-11-24, 17:21
Here is my guide from a few years back. I need to update it a bit so any and all feedback welcome!
Seeking Arrangement Saves the Day -- Release from Pussy Prison.
Good as it was to discover P411 and get out of complete pussy drought, Seeking Arrangement opened a whole new world for me -- Sugar Baby. Sugar Daddy dating. I had gotten a taste of this with Thifany. I mean that is really what we were doing when I flew her to London. I paid her a very reasonable allowance for the week and we just played boyfriend and girlfriend. What fun.
I came to realize through the Thifany experience that I like more than just paid sex. And in fact I love having a girlfriend. I enjoy texting each other. I enjoy that someone cares about me (even if she's pretending -- just never tell me so!) and of course I love the complete experience of dinners and dancing and just acting like real lovers. Not transactional sex partners. And SB / SD is all about this same experience. When done properly.
So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and any "benefits" come second..Amazing report as always, thank you for your wisdom. SA has changed my life for the better, In so many positive ways. For me to complain about SA would be completely ridiculous, yes, bad things happen, but that is life. Yes SA, can be hard and expensive, but that is how you succeed in life.
For those experienced in Brazil, are your profile bios in English or Portuguese? Mine is English written, with US location.
I messaged two girls not exactly this but along the lines of, "I'm using Google Translate and will be in Rio in a few weeks. Interested in mutually beneficial arrangement and I always help out with cash". One blocked me, other ignored. Usually when they ignore me, I'll throw out a number in this case, are $1,000. That's a high number in Sao Paulo but still ignored.
My pictures are slightly blurred with me standing against a backdrop of city or outdoor nature views. My bio is a paragraph of my interests and a few sentences. I wrote I'm negotiatiable, open minded, looking for NSA also. Maybe it's the age? I'm almost 30, but since my profile is expiring, remaking it at 31 is possible. Both Income at 100,000.
I don't really mind having my face shown overseas if it helps. My trips would be for 2 week visits, not long term stays. For those with success in these countries, what's your profile bio like, pics, and how do you open with the women?Robotron--just wanted to clarify with using SA in Brazil, do you also need to pay-in to the seeking arrangement subscription before messaging the ladies?
What is the website for seeking arrangement Brazil?
...Main thing is to not be so direct. Unless you are just looking for hookers. In which case there are other places. ....For me, I think it depends on the city. I just came from another city in Brazil where I did like you described. I often have to make some type of offer based on what the girl was looking for to get their attention if they are non-pro. I also know the city almost as well as local. I stayed longer so I can make longer term offer without lying to them. After I bought my flight out, I don't talk to any new ones at all even if I still have 2 or more weeks left. But in Sao Paulo, I have decided to be direct to filter out hookers. If I don't I ended up spending a lot of time chatting and eventually found out she is a pro, and unfortunately most of them that will talk to you quickly are *-pro. A few basic keywords to look for are casual (casuais) which basically mean they will accept PPM. Fixo / fixto / fixta means long term but the reality is it will always start with casual. These will give you an idea what she is looking for. They would use some words that don't always translate well so one has to learn about them.
Another thing I want to add is that the price can't be generalized. It depends on the look of the girl. When someone just asks what the price is, that is too general a question to reply. Because the replied price is still depending on one's preference. It can go from 500 to 5000. I may say it is 500, and you may think wow! 500 can get me a runway model type of girl. LOL
Steve 9696
03-11-24, 20:37
Robotron--just wanted to clarify with using SA in Brazil, do you also need to pay-in to the seeking arrangement subscription before messaging the ladies?
What is the website for seeking arrangement Brazil?There is no Seeking for Brazil. At least not quite same thing. There is meu Patricinio which is similar but you have to be in Brazil to use it (checks your IP). My Rio SB says it's gone downhill just like seeking has since it's prime. Still great if you put in the work. Yes you need to pay to message and just use Seeking.com as usual.
Here is my guide from a few years back. I need to update it a bit so any and all feedback welcome!
As far as what you should pay, I've found a strong correlation between what a pretty hooker charges for an hour (in a given city) to be what an SA girl will take for an evening. I'the say (pre-pandemic) most big US cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more I just kick them to the curb) with SF and NYC more like $500. In second tier cities, $300 should do it and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category). During the pandemic, I've found a lot of these girls are struggling, so if they ask 500, when 400 is more correct, I usually don't push them on it and just go with what they asked.
Once you have said "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.
Having done this alot (more than 50 times in many different cities), I've found that having sex on the first date is super important. The few times I've had a platonic date (especially a non-alcoholic one) to be followed by sex on the second date it never happens. You have to take the momentum on that first date and take it all the way to the bedroom. Remember girls are submissive and will largely follow your lead even if that lead is to the hotel room.
Finally, I should note that how much time you spend with her is largely up to her and how well you vibe. It's not something you negotiate, like you would with a hooker. Most times it will probably be 3-4 hours including dinner and sex, after which she might say she needs to get home. But, in my experience, about 50% of girls sleep over. It's not something you discuss. It just happens. You cuddle after sex and next thing you know she's taking off her necklace to the bedside table. Bingo!
Seeking is absolutely the best, if you take the time to find the gems amongst the bullshit and follow the above guide.Very informative and I'm already adjusting how my online game! When messaging the girls in Brazil or elsewhere, are you translating your message and pasting it in their native language? I notice some girls profiles are in English, and I'd message in portuguese regardless.
And for the allowance, if you usually do 400 USD, are you messaging Brazilians 2,000 or R2,0000 assuming they know you mean BRL or in Colombia for example, 2 mil pesos? I don't want to be that guy overspending and driving up the market.
In my own experience in the US, I tend to be direct off the bat. I've had some dates where we flirt all week, meet up, and the chick wants me to pay her 250 for dinner alone. I figure messaging this way saves time to filter the BS, but at the same time it's likely cost me real experiences and actually hooking up as you describe.
BallsDeep1980
03-12-24, 11:18
I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.
For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.
The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?
Steve 9696
03-12-24, 14:38
Very informative and I'm already adjusting how my online game! When messaging the girls in Brazil or elsewhere, are you translating your message and pasting it in their native language? I notice some girls profiles are in English, and I'd message in portuguese regardless.
And for the allowance, if you usually do 400 USD, are you messaging Brazilians 2,000 or R2,0000 assuming they know you mean BRL or in Colombia for example, 2 mil pesos? I don't want to be that guy overspending and driving up the market.
In my own experience in the US, I tend to be direct off the bat. I've had some dates where we flirt all week, meet up, and the chick wants me to pay her 250 for dinner alone. I figure messaging this way saves time to filter the BS, but at the same time it's likely cost me real experiences and actually hooking up as you describe.The 400 USD I mentioned was a US price. That would be waaay overpaying in Brazil. I find that in a given country a hot seeking girl will take for an evening what a pro does for an hour or so. So if a Scandallo girl is say 1000 R / HR then a seeking girl might take that for an evening. This is a generalization worldwide. Others may have played Seeeking more in Brazil than me. I mostly do the club experience there.
That said I had an amazing Seeking girl in Rio for 500 R. So clearly the gems exist. And Mia from Casarao who is a ten only wanted 1200 R for overnight. So I'm sure she would have taken that or less if she was on seeking. So I'the say between 500-1200 R seems like it should work?
AmericanPi
03-12-24, 15:07
I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.
For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.
The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?It might be totally fine. But you are right to trust your instincts. Nobody ever regretted exercising caution and prudence.
Why not try this. Tell her listen, we are both meeting someone we met online that we know nothing about. You're a woman and you should have security concerns meeting men off the internet and you want her to feel secure. And you try to use best practices too because you don't meet many girls online and are selective about who you meet with. So you'd like to do a video call first and then make plans to meet in a public place. See how you can vet her more thoroughly but make it all about your concern for her and her safety?
If she makes this anything but easy for you she's a scammer.
FilthyBeaver
03-12-24, 15:32
Anyone notice that seeking offered 1 HR premium service for free yesterday? I was able to utilize it 4 times and got a total hottie from SP over to whatsapp. She asked me what I gave my regular sb but wouldn't tell me what she got in the last or what she wanted. She said she'd tell me when my trip gets closer. I'm thinking 1-1.5 k without seeing her in person to be adjusted up or down depending on how the meet and greet goes.
The 400 USD I mentioned was a US price. That would be waaay overpaying in Brazil. I find that in a given country a hot seeking girl will take for an evening what a pro does for an hour or so. So if a Scandallo girl is say 1000 R / HR then a seeking girl might take that for an evening. This is a generalization worldwide. Others may have played Seeeking more in Brazil than me. I mostly do the club experience there.
That said I had an amazing Seeking girl in Rio for 500 R. So clearly the gems exist. And Mia from Casarao who is a ten only wanted 1200 R for overnight. So I'm sure she would have taken that or less if she was on seeking. So I'the say between 500-1200 R seems like it should work?
I've been seeing a girl from sa for about 2 months now. PPM / allowance didn't come up until we were in bed the second time and when I asked what she expected she said she wasn't looking for money, just casual sex. She is ok going bare as well which is nice. Since then we go out once or twice a week and she stays over. Taken her to some nicer places she wanted to try and sent her money for a dress.
When she was over last week we were talking about dating / sa and I said something she took as an insult about her getting hit on in public. She also asked what I was looking for on sa and if I'the done allowances before. This past weekend she's active on sa again and I'm worried I messed it up by insulting her or if she's feeling shorted about the allowance. We both agreed that if we saw other people we'the use protection but I don't want to bring it up and look possessive.
I like her company but don't want a relationship. She doesn't either and ended her first experience on sa when the guy wanted one. I was thinking about taking her on a trip but now I'm not sure. I'the like to know how you guys handle or decide how much to put into this kind of relationship. I know it's not really sugar and more like a fwb but don't know where else to post.
Also, for guys like Steve that sound like their game has gotten pretty good, have you tried picking up regular girls? The one good thing about seeking is I've gotten a lot more practice dates that way.
I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.
For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.
The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?How long have you been in contact? Most common scam would be go to hotel, she asks for money and bolts. If she asks for money upfront, I bail. If you meet and she's trying to rush, bail.
You don't need to be in anything other than English. You don't need pics. Girls will ask for them once you move over to WhatsApp.
Main thing is to not be so direct. Unless you are just looking for hookers. In which case there are other places. I wrote a guide on how to chat up SA girls and while written primarily for USA it largely applies to South America also. The girls you are looking for on Seeking want to rationalize that they are good girls. So you try to stay away from money for sex. Less true outside the US but still. Actually two hotties I scored in Mexico (see reports three weeks back) would have run for the hills if there was a hint of money for sex.
I will repost the guide here. Perhaps other seniors want to respond with where it's off base or could use some international spin.
I will note however that in addition to the long texting game, I have had very good success with spontaneous dates. When I am in town I say "Going out to a nice dinner tonight. Join me?" I have scored some serious hottie s this way including a Rio 9. 5.I think Steve's guide is missing his intl advice which I found worked. I start browsing 2-3 weeks before and sending messages. I usually do do you speak english in english or their language. See who writes back and later tell them "I say I'm going to be in X on why, love to meet for a drink or go out" or something like that. If they're down, move to telegram / what's app and share photos. I know steve is smoother bringing up business part but I usually like to know ahead of time so I ask what kind of allowance they expect because I don't want to insult them since I haven't done sa in x before. Sometimes it ends here if she wants something really high and it's a bummer if the chat has gone well. Once that's settled and you're there, plan a meet up and hope it goes well.
FilthyBeaver
03-13-24, 02:50
So why not ask her? I'd never hesitate to ask someone if I insulted them especially if I didn't mean to. I can't think of a more honest question and it can't possibly make things any worse than you perceive them.
I wouldn't put too much thought in on her activity. Every sb I ever had was still active somewhat if nothing more than to clean their inboxes. I've been lucky enough to have some really desirable girls and they tell me their inboxes are unmanageable. They just delete everything and start with the newest messages when they're back on the market. I've been seeing my current for about 10 months now and she logs in occasionally to do exactly what I just said. I doesn't make me jealous or worried that I'll lose her but I'm probably the least jealous person on the planet. At the end of the day, she gets what she wants and I get what I want plus we're both reliable and still enjoy the sex so everybody wins.
I've been seeing a girl from sa for about 2 months now. PPM / allowance didn't come up until we were in bed the second time and when I asked what she expected she said she wasn't looking for money, just casual sex. She is ok going bare as well which is nice. Since then we go out once or twice a week and she stays over. Taken her to some nicer places she wanted to try and sent her money for a dress.
When she was over last week we were talking about dating / sa and I said something she took as an insult about her getting hit on in public. She also asked what I was looking for on sa and if I'the done allowances before. This past weekend she's active on sa again and I'm worried I messed it up by insulting her or if she's feeling shorted about the allowance. We both agreed that if we saw other people we'the use protection but I don't want to bring it up and look possessive.
I like her company but don't want a relationship. She doesn't either and ended her first experience on sa when the guy wanted one. I was thinking about taking her on a trip but now I'm not sure. I'the like to know how you guys handle or decide how much to put into this kind of relationship. I know it's not really sugar and more like a fwb but don't know where else to post.
Also, for guys like Steve that sound like their game has gotten pretty good, have you tried picking up regular girls? The one good thing about seeking is I've gotten a lot more practice dates that way.
BallsDeep1980
03-13-24, 03:27
How long have you been in contact? Most common scam would be go to hotel, she asks for money and bolts. If she asks for money upfront, I bail. If you meet and she's trying to rush, bail.Been in contact for about a month. I am on her instagram, she has sent me Voice Messages, etc, also she said she wants me to take her shopping and spend about 2 k reais on her which I think is reasonable. I might just be being paranoid here.
Steve 9696
03-13-24, 20:50
Been in contact for about a month. I am on her instagram, she has sent me Voice Messages, etc, also she said she wants me to take her shopping and spend about 2 k reais on her which I think is reasonable. I might just be being paranoid here.Somewhere I misse the part where this is a Brasilian girl. 2000 R is a crapload of money in Brasil. How much time are you spending together for this 2000 R?
P.S. Doesn't seem like a scam but not necessarily cheap either. Only suss thing is most girls want cash.
Roller1929
03-14-24, 00:07
What's the going rate / monthly allowance for a mid 20's girl in Sydney Australia? I was in an arrangement with a uni girl in 2021 with $2000 per month arrangement with once a week meetups for lunch + fun at a hotel (3 hours total). Just got back on Seeking and hearing allowance in the range of $1000 to $2000 per week. What's going on honestly?
NoBuglyFitches
03-14-24, 11:38
Also, for guys like Steve that sound like their game has gotten pretty good, have you tried picking up regular girls? The one good thing about seeking is I've gotten a lot more practice dates that way.There is no 'game' if we are paying LOL! PU is a lot of work. You got to go where the girls are, max out your looks and profile, be on the top of your game, and still contend with a lot of failed approaches and "I-like-you-but" dates with girls who are quite average by sugar standards. If you got a big dick, there are specialized apps for women / couples looking for that, but it's a buyer's market even there and same story -- girls are not the hottest (but they ARE horny for you).
DramaFree11
03-14-24, 17:29
There is no 'game' if we are paying LOL! PU is a lot of work. You got to go where the girls are, max out your looks and profile, be on the top of your game, and still contend with a lot of failed approaches and "I-like-you-but" dates with girls who are quite average by sugar standards. If you got a big dick, there are specialized apps for women / couples looking for that, but it's a buyer's market even there and same story -- girls are not the hottest (but they ARE horny for you).Sorry, game is definitely involved. The hot girls are being contacted by hundreds of guys on weekly basis maybe more, they have options.
Yes, everybody pays for pussy one way or another, some pay directly some pay in-directly.
Being a the top perform is also, called "Game".
I have been seeing some girls for over 3 years now, we choose to see each other, and we have become friends. 2 of the girls I am seeing in MTY have boyfriends in Europe, they can write there own ticket. One was a model and the other is even better looking, she is close to a 10 as I have ever had and I never use those words.
As I have always said, SA takes money, time, hard work, some luck and game.
BallsDeep1980
03-15-24, 08:08
Somewhere I misse the part where this is a Brasilian girl. 2000 R is a crapload of money in Brasil. How much time are you spending together for this 2000 R?
P.S. Doesn't seem like a scam but not necessarily cheap either. Only suss thing is most girls want cash.I was right about something being off. She was basically trying to play me. She asked me to buy her an iphone before we even meet. I said I would do it when I meet her and she insisted and then said she has no reason to be with someone who can't trust her etc blah blah and said bye and removed me as a contact. I video chatted her and she was definitely real, so 90% chance if I had bought it for her I doubt I would have ever met her, but who really knows.
AmericanPi
03-15-24, 15:10
I'm heading to Mexico for a conference next week. I have done seeking many times in Cdmx and I love it.
I've never been to Monterrey before. Considering going. It's not that I don't love Cdmx. I've just been so many times. But I wonder if Monterey is worth going to along 2 axes. One is the Seeking game. Is it a strong pool? The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.
Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).
DramaFree11
03-15-24, 17:18
I'm heading to Mexico for a conference next week. I have done seeking many times in Cdmx and I love it.
I've never been to Monterrey before. Considering going. It's not that I don't love Cdmx. I've just been so many times. But I wonder if Monterey is worth going to along 2 axes. One is the Seeking game. Is it a strong pool? The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.
Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).I rotate between the 2 cities. MTY is good but CDMX is way better. MTY takes much more work and time.
Steve 9696
03-15-24, 18:44
I was right about something being off. She was basically trying to play me. She asked me to buy her an iphone before we even meet. I said I would do it when I meet her and she insisted and then said she has no reason to be with someone who can't trust her etc blah blah and said bye and removed me as a contact. I video chatted her and she was definitely real, so 90% chance if I had bought it for her I doubt I would have ever met her, but who really knows.Yeah it's surprising but some girls will invest in the "deep scam". I believe Blue Moon got in quite deep with a girl texting and then got the "my phone broke" message. I am a little shocked but yeah seem some girls will go to this level.
Steve 9696
03-15-24, 18:56
I'm heading to Mexico for a conference next week. I have done seeking many times in Cdmx and I love it.
I've never been to Monterrey before. Considering going. It's not that I don't love Cdmx. I've just been so many times. But I wonder if Monterey is worth going to along 2 axes. One is the Seeking game. Is it a strong pool? The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.
Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).Drama Free is the king of Monterrey Seeking. I will poke him and ask him to chime in.
FilthyBeaver
03-15-24, 19:29
Not that I don't believe you but ask yourself; why would someone I've ever met ask me to take them shopping the first time we meet? The answer is because she thinks she can get more from you than if she just gave you a price. She's betting on the fact that when she bats her eyes and flips her hair you won't say no to some overpriced crap so what should have been a $500 arrangement (or whatever the price is) would turn into a $2-3 k price is right episode.
The fact that she tried to guilt you into think you insulted her because you didn't trust her tells you everything you need to know about her. Move on and be glad you got the experience.
I was right about something being off. She was basically trying to play me. She asked me to buy her an iphone before we even meet. I said I would do it when I meet her and she insisted and then said she has no reason to be with someone who can't trust her etc blah blah and said bye and removed me as a contact. I video chatted her and she was definitely real, so 90% chance if I had bought it for her I doubt I would have ever met her, but who really knows.
AmericanPi
03-15-24, 23:29
Drama Free is the king of Monterrey Seeking. I will poke him and ask him to chime in.Chime in Drama Free!
Elvis 2008
03-16-24, 01:57
I like her company but don't want a relationship.What you mean is you do not want a relationship WITH HER.
She doesn't either and ended her first experience on sa when the guy wanted one.She did not want a relationship WITH HIM. And my understanding is that you think because she did not want a relationship with him, you think that she does not want with you.
I've been seeing a girl from sa for about 2 months now. PPM / allowance didn't come up until we were in bed the second time and when I asked what she expected she said she wasn't looking for money, just casual sex. She is ok going bare as well which is nice.I don't think women do that unless they like a guy.
We both agreed that if we saw other people we'the use protection but I don't want to bring it up and look possessive.I just want to recount. She is fucking you twice a week. You are not paying her. You are paying for things like a BF, going bare, and only seeing each other, and you think you are not in a relationship?
When she was over last week we were talking about dating / sa and I said something she took as an insult about her getting hit on in public. She also asked what I was looking for on sa and if I'the done allowances before. This past weekend she's active on sa again and I'm worried I messed it up by insulting her or if she's feeling shorted about the allowance.I was thinking about taking her on a trip but now I'm not sure. I'the like to know how you guys handle or decide how much to put into this kind of relationship. I know it's not really sugar and more like a fwb but don't know where else to post. have you tried picking up regular girls?Do you think that she may be mad because you are not treating her like a "regular girl"? Honestly, you have me confused.
If I am paying a woman, and guys who think they are getting it for free do not get this, that is an insult to the woman. I am telling the woman that I am ONLY interested in them for sex and fun. You can debate the amount but I am telling them I am not interested in them. I am paying them for sex, decent companionship, and to leave right? The reason I am with women is that they make me feel good, and if I feel like you are only going to do that with a leash of money attached to you, it means I do not trust you.
Rarely, I met a woman where I felt comfortable not paying them. IOW, I think you can make me feel good without a money leash attached. I am actually giving a woman a chance to earn my monogamy. Are you going to keep putting out? Are you going to burden me with all your problems of you, your friends, and family? Are you going to be depressed all the time or be upbeat when we are together? Are you going to be perpetually offended? What I am saying when I am here is I am willing to explore a relationship with you but not commit to just you.
The one thing I think that needs to be absolutely clear to women is that they have to EARN a guy's monogamy. Just because she fucked me does not mean I am just with her. Women expect this to be like a default position when they know it goes against man's very nature. IMO giving a woman your monogamy is the most precious gift you can give a woman. And you are giving that away just for bareback sex? While she is on seeking looking for other men? Why? This is where you have painted yourself in the corner. You want bareback sex but really are with a woman you do not want to be monogamous with. You need to wrap it up or accept the risks of going bare and continue to look for other women. That is what you really want.
As far as a "regular woman" goes, there were 10,000+ women within 5 miles of my house that were on seeking, so I don't buy that seeking women are all hookers. I have heard too many "regular women" talk openly about having a SD.
NoBuglyFitches
03-16-24, 02:05
Sorry, game is definitely involved. Not the same "game" -- he was asking about picking up regular girls, with no money involved.
Yes, everybody pays for pussy one way or another, some pay directly some pay in-directly. If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?
Elvis 2008
03-16-24, 02:35
The other is I've always had this belief Monterey is just a boring business city. So I'm not sure whether worth visiting.
Anyone know or know another Mexican city really worth its salt (not Tijuana).Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.
But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.
CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does.
I don't know why it is not being more reported but companies are moving away from China as an industrial base and moving it to the Southern USA and Northern Mexico in droves. This is such a huge ordeal that the only city I can compare Monterrey growth wise to is Austin, and that has caused rents to swell. When I looked at apartment prices three years ago, an apartment in Monterrey was double the price of similar ones in CDMX.
The Cancun region is like Mexico's Orlando. That is where you can spend a month and not do all the touristy things. The women in that area are at USA prices and given how many women from CDMX and Monterrey are willing to go, I think it is best to import them there. The big news there is Tulum has opened its own airport and there is now a train connecting all of the Yucutan peninsula.
DramaFree11
03-16-24, 03:25
Not the same "game" -- he was asking about picking up regular girls, with no money involved.
If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?Everybody pays, one way or another. You can be in denial all you want. Time is money.
FilthyBeaver
03-16-24, 13:41
I've never been to Barnes and Noble, met someone I wanted to fuck (let alone her wanting to fuck me), dropped everything and went to my place, her place or a hotel, done the deed and said goodbye with no strings attached. Money is coming out of my pocket somewhere between a and be even if it's a mocha from Starbucks.
I'm with DF on this one. But I'm not with him on the "some luck" comment it takes a lot of fuckin luck. The chances of a really desirable girl (in my eyes) replying, let alone meeting me without expecting some amount of compensation because "her time is valuable," which always makes me lmfao.
If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?
NoBuglyFitches
03-16-24, 13:42
Everybody pays, one way or another. You can be in denial all you want. Time is money.I just don't understand what you mean.
The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.
Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".
Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.
FilthyBeaver
03-16-24, 14:01
But I doubt this thread has many people expecting on getting it for free. The SB / SD dynamic involves a much older guy giving something tangible to a much younger woman. Sure there are girls with daddy issues and outliers any time your talking about any subject but they are not "normal".
I think the OP was talking about how to pick up non-pros without using seeking, not necessarily getting it for free. IMO you'd have to be mad to walk into a bar and start chatting up a girl 20-30 yrs younger than you with the intention of eventually having sex without knowing she's at least open to the idea. In which case you're out your precious time, probably a drink, and some food. Trivial expenses for sure but not free.
I just don't understand what you mean.
The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.
Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".
Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.
Maybe there are some people who do not pay, the 1 percent of men who get all the female attention on the dating apps. Kudos to you if you are one of them. But for the majority of men. They pay in some form. Some say that the freebies are in fact the most expensive girls. Rather than something transactional where everything is agreed on, sex for money. You end up spending many many hours on dates, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dates and gifts just for a chance at sex.
Yes, I agree with you that if you want a relationship that may lead to marriage, family kids, paying for sex is not the way to do it. But very few people here on this board want that or rather they don't have that in mind when coming to this board. They just want sex.
I just don't understand what you mean.
The OP was asking about picking up regular girls, implying that no money payment would be involved. I shared my limited experience on how that worked. I believe it's the way to go if you are looking for a real relationship possibly leading to a family. It's also the way to go if you love the pickup "game. " If you simply like sex, this is not worth it.
Perhaps some guys never had the experience of a horny girl they've never met grabbing them out of the party just to fuck or hooking up from Tinder, so they go around believing that "everybody pays. ".
Many people do not pay for sex. Casual hookups and "vanilla" relationships do not involve money. Guys do get laid off of looks / attractiveness, big dicks, and charisma / game -- this is personal experience not denial.
NoBuglyFitches
03-16-24, 14:45
But very few people here on this board want that or rather they don't have that in mind when coming to this board. They just want sex.Agreed. But still, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular girls. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that his interest was in the game rather than in saving money on sex. So I said this wasn't the right forum for discussing pickup art. Sugar dating is probably good training wheels for a newbie to get comfortable with women and develop his style with an easy audience, but it's not the real thing.
Maybe there are some people who do not pay, the 1 percent of men who get all the female attention on the dating apps ... You end up spending many many hours on dates, and hundreds if not thousands of dollars on dates and gifts just for a chance at sex. Actually it's more like 20% of men on the apps not 1%, but yes it's a buyer's market. You need to find your niche. Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work. Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.
Implying that 99% of men pay for sex (and hence 99% of women get paid for sex) would be at odds with how most people see it outside p4 p world.
AmericanPi
03-16-24, 16:38
Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.
But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.
CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does.
I don't know why it is not being more reported but companies are moving away from China as an industrial base and moving it to the Southern USA and Northern Mexico in droves. This is such a huge ordeal that the only city I can compare Monterrey growth wise to is Austin, and that has caused rents to swell. When I looked at apartment prices three years ago, an apartment in Monterrey was double the price of similar ones in CDMX..I guess what I'm asking is, is Monterrey a cool city to visit?
For example Cdmx has so much to offer. Shopping in Polanco, great restaurants everywhere, amazing bars, so many museums. You could spend a lot of time doing great tourist stuff.
Is Monterrey a good city to visit if you wanted to do more than bang girls?
Actually it's more like 20% of men on the apps not 1%, but yes it's a buyer's market. You need to find your niche. Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work. Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.Because anyone who knows anything about money understands that time is money. That's one of the basic tenets of "dollars and cents" when it comes to money (and having it). Time is inextricably tied to money. Besides, you contradict your own words talking in circles. You say time isn't money, but then you say people willingly spend money and time on dates, as if the two are unrelated. So which is it? I'll answer my own question by saying it's unquestionably the latter (time and money go hand-in-hand together), even if you go dutch with both paying their own way. And talking about fishing is a poor analogy. Maybe spending all day at the river and catching nothing isn't work. But nobody said all time = work. No, it's time = money, whether you spent that time actually working or not. All time can be monetized and linked back to money, or a lack thereof. I'm not saying that one should always be concerned about making money with their time, but that doesn't change the fact that one's time = one's money. So, spending all day and catching nothing not only fails to yield any fish, but you didn't earn any money from doing that over that time frame either. Especially if you're a fisherman!
Now, even if a guy can go on date after date after date and manage to not spend any cash whatsoever (very unlikely), he still spent money (inextricably bound to time) on things like paying for the transportation to get to those dates (gas, Uber, subway, etc.). Plus on other things too. Maybe he bought a new shirt or some good smelling cologne. Whatever it was. On the transportation tip let's say he finds a way to walk to every single date and still spends no cash (again unlikely) and repeatedly walks away with a boner but no pussy. That would be all that time spent (add it up) with no payoff in the form of either some valuable goods in exchange (a pretty girl's puss and ass) or some cash earned (money). It's easy to see how going on continual dates that end like that yields realized losses (not to mention opportunity cost losses) in the form of a huge waste of time and money (each being "married" to the other with no possibility of divorce). Rather than do that, I'd rather ante up for panty down! LMAO LOLOLOL! Besides, I'm an impatient man. When I want something, I want it now! No time for wading around in knee-deep bullshit!
DramaFree11
03-16-24, 17:20
Outside of a few cities like Orlando, NYC, or DC, how many things are there for a tourist to do? I remember going to KC and we hit all the tourist spots in a weekend, and a buddy of mine was like, "Well that just about does it. ", and you could say the same of Monterrey. But KC is a great city with good people, great restaurants, and some good looking women just like Monterrey.
But Monterrey is way more modern with younger people, and it is surrounded by green mountains which allows for some great hikes. So there is a natural beauty that KC does not have. It also does not have the cold KC does but it can easily get into the 30's in the winter and 100's in the summer.
CDMX has a better climate but unlike CDMX, you do not have to deal with the pollution and altitude issues. I have a helluva time sleeping in CDMX because of the altitude. From a monger POV, Monterrey has a much bigger strip club, casa, and escort agency scene than CDMX does..Sorry, I have been crazy busy at work. I will add a a few things to my previous reports and Elvis summary. MTY is cool, but most of the girls I am still in contact I met during Covid. After Covid MTY got a lot harder and way more expensive. The girls prices are still reasonable, but everything else is way more expensive. For a short trip, I will definitely stick with CDMX or Tijuana.
MTY is all about the long game and multiple trips, but it is just not that great anymore, hot new girls are hard to come by now. As Elvis said there is a lot of big local money in MTY now. Also, many girls parents are super strict and controlling, so many can only meet during the days and early evening, sounds crazy, but many families in MTY are old school Catholics. Both cities are very safe for foreigners.
There are some super hot girls in San Pedro, but many of those girls are not available to foreigners, for a variety of reasons. Also, lodging is up 40-60 percent now, so if you are careful in CDMX and do not blow a bunch or money at the restaurant / bars CDMX is cheaper. CDMX has so many opportunities for hot chicks, plus the city is great for walking, and food is way better in CDMX.
For me long term stick with CDMX, for a short trip go to Tijuana. Tijuana is so much for a weekend, they also have great food.
If you have a lot of free time, I think Cancun might be great for SA, as long as your apartment that allows visitors. There are a lot of Mexican girls that travel to Cancun with just a few bucks, so they have to make money some how.
Elvis 2008
03-16-24, 18:18
Spending hours on dates and text game did not count as payment, that's what game is. By analogy, people who enjoy fishing don't count time on the water as work.LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? Like DF, I was with a girl who was telling me about her boyfriends, and she is telling me that she will cut her BF's dick off if he sees other women. Meanwhile, she just fucked me and I was fucking other women. When guys like you said I was paying for sex, was I or was I paying to not have to deal with comments like getting my dick cut off?
Many members of this forum willingly spend time and money on dinners and maybe small gifts and enjoy the romantic experience. But there is no need to give gifts and spend much on dates for a chance at sex. Sorry to say, but that's what guys do if they have no game.What I do not think you get is the women who have affairs with married men pick out the same qualities in the married man that they want in a BF. Early on, in my seeking life, I thought, "Oh, I can be a SD for these women but never their BF. They just like me for money", and it was not true. I finally understood that most if not all would have gladly accepted me as a BF with the condition I stop seeing all the other women. And until the very end, there was not one woman I said who was worth my monogamy. I would rather have been a SD playing the field who is paying then a BF seeing one woman who gets it for "free". When I want to fuck a woman and not pay them, that is the ultimate compliment to the woman from me.
Implying that 99% of men pay for sex (and hence 99% of women get paid for sex) would be at odds with how most people see it outside p4 p world.Sorry, but for me, it is easier and more cost effective to work and make money then get the latest suits and buy $100,000 cars, and the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life. Is she quality if she is banging a bunch of different guys and doing one night stands? I would say no. So you have poor quality women who fuck anyone, high quality women who want you to commit, potentially high quality women who are SBs who do not insist on monogamy, or hookers. Those are you realistic choices.
The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are. That is more time you are saying does not count right?
So don't play games with us with like the fishing thing. Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.
Elvis 2008
03-17-24, 00:49
I guess what I'm asking is, is Monterrey a cool city to visit?
For example Cdmx has so much to offer. Shopping in Polanco, great restaurants everywhere, amazing bars, so many museums. You could spend a lot of time doing great tourist stuff.
Is Monterrey a good city to visit if you wanted to do more than bang girls?Yes, but you will run out of touristy things to do after a few days.
Shopping? Yes. I think the Fashion drive mall is nicer than any CDMX mall. Restaurants? Fuck yes. Museums? A few not even close to CDMX. The most touristy things are the river walk, fundidora park, and hiking in the mountains. DF drives to MTY and so stays in the more ritzy San Pedro area. I usually fly and stay downtown where there is a square closed off to cars and is walkable. There is a Fiesta Americana (nicest), Sheraton Ambassador, and Krystal hotel right near the more walkable downtown area.
But yeah, it is cool. You should check it out. It is not a dive like Tijuana is.
FilthyBeaver
03-17-24, 01:17
This topic is very entertaining. I love the business I built and.
Do not consider it work therefore what I give the girls is a big fat grin; oh and $300-$1500 depending on where I am in the world and how hot they are! Lmfao.
I've had sbs bring up marriage and cry when we've broken up. The dynamic is anything but transactional if you do it right.
LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? Like DF, I was with a girl who was telling me about her boyfriends, and she is telling me that she will cut her BF's dick off if he sees other women. Meanwhile, she just fucked me and I was fucking other women. When guys like you said I was paying for sex, was I or was I paying to not have to deal with comments like getting my dick cut off?
What I do not think you get is the women who have affairs with married men pick out the same qualities in the married man that they want in a BF. Early on, in my seeking life, I thought, "Oh, I can be a SD for these women but never their BF. They just like me for money", and it was not true. I finally understood that most if not all would have gladly accepted me as a BF with the condition I stop seeing all the other women. And until the very end, there was not one woman I said who was worth my monogamy. I would rather have been a SD playing the field who is paying then a BF seeing one woman who gets it for "free". When I want to fuck a woman and not pay them, that is the ultimate compliment to the woman from me.
Sorry, but for me, it is easier and more cost effective to work and make money then get the latest suits and buy $100,000 cars, and the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life. Is she quality if she is banging a bunch of different guys and doing one night stands? I would say no. So you have poor quality women who fuck anyone, high quality women who want you to commit, potentially high quality women who are SBs who do not insist on monogamy, or hookers. Those are you realistic choices.
The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are. That is more time you are saying does not count right?
So don't play games with us with like the fishing thing. Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.
NoBuglyFitches
03-17-24, 03:35
Because anyone who knows anything about money understands that time is money. Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.
No time for wading around in knee-deep bullshit!Yes, I said the same thing. If you can afford to pay, and what you want is sex, purchasing it is the way to go.
LOL. The $2,000 suits, the $100,000 car, the $20 drinks do not count? Since when? .I said time on texts and dates didn't count; that's what game is that was the OP's question. Didn't say anything about expenses.
the pool of women I met on seeking blew away any I met in real life... picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more Yes, I said the same thing, word for word. To repeat, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular women.
Given your accounting method and saying the hours fishing do not count, I would counter and say if I like my job and make money at it, then the money I gave the woman does not count either.The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.
Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.
Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.And that's exactly why some people have lots of money and others don't (and never will), among other reasons. And please remember the totality of what I said. I said that although time is money, all time spent isn't meant to be focused on making money. But you can still monetize your time nevertheless. And I can assure you I've spent plenty of time making money bro. I been fucking these tutes all around the world! So go fishing. Sit there all day long without even a hook on the line! I had an old friend who used to do that that. Because even though time is money, that doesn't mean one ought to be consumed with making money all of the time.
FilthyBeaver
03-17-24, 04:41
I've been turned down in a *****house three times. I am particularly proud of all three occasions.
BTW, does a 200 k car make up for the fact I only wear 1 k suits? This is the most fun I've had here in a while lmao.
The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.
DramaFree11
03-17-24, 05:33
Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG? It'll take me 5 minutes to write this post; I could not translate those 5 minutes into money.
Yes, I said the same thing. If you can afford to pay, and what you want is sex, purchasing it is the way to go.
I said time on texts and dates didn't count; that's what game is that was the OP's question. Didn't say anything about expenses.
Yes, I said the same thing, word for word. To repeat, the OP was asking about game for picking up regular women.
The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.
Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.Nobodt. You are a clown, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by arguing with everyone. If you do not understand that time is equal to money, then you have a lot to learn.
Elvis 2008
03-17-24, 14:44
Time is not money. If it were, how much dollar value would you assign to your thousands of posts on this forum; did you donate this time-money to ISG?Have you ever had a job? Do you work every second of it or do you have free time where you are getting paid and you can post here for fun?
The difference is that everyone can purchase sex with money, but not everyone can "purchase" sex with just their time, game, charisma etc. Put differently, you may feel that "the money I gave the woman does not count either," but there is no game here; there is nothing you can share with another guy, like OP, asking about using game to meet regular girls.
Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. That's what I meant by saying there is no game when you are paying.Yeah, I do not think you have a job or been on a seeking date. This is just the tired old game of all the seeking women are hookers. When you are saying anyone can "purchase" sex, you are under the assumption that every woman off seeking will take a buck for sex. You would know that is not true if you had been on meet and greets. It takes game to close the deal with a lot of the women off the site. DF is right. You are a pretender.
Elvis 2008
03-17-24, 15:09
There is no 'game' if we are paying LOL! PU is a lot of work. You got to go where the girls are, max out your looks and profile, be on the top of your game, and still contend with a lot of failed approaches and "I-like-you-but" dates with girls who are quite average by sugar standards. If you got a big dick, there are specialized apps for women / couples looking for that, but it's a buyer's market even there and same story -- girls are not the hottest (but they ARE horny for you).I take it back. Maybe you do have a little experience on seeking. Thing is you are going for average to ugly women with a very low yield on time spent. I was never interested in being with average looking women and I do not think a lot of guys on here are.
Not the same "game" -- he was asking about picking up regular girls, with no money involved.
If I meet a woman at a club (or beach, or bookstore, or tinder, or feeld or whatever), we meet, fuck and never see each other again, how did I pay "indirectly"?If you are at a club, you are buying them drinks or they are likely drunk right? That is the other part of the story about guys who do not pay for it. They do not mention the pills or powder in their pockets that they give to the women. Yeah, you can get some lookers that way but it is just another form of payment.
NoBuglyFitches
03-17-24, 15:37
Nobodt. You are a clown, I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish by arguing with everyone. .In this case, I don't argue -- I educate. Some fragile egos with thousands of posts take don't take it well; I hope they add me to their ignore list.
How many women have you been with (with no money involved, obviously)? Is it more than 50 -- is it even more than 5? How many of those involved pickup and game: met a girl you didn't know in a public place, created attraction based on saying and doing the right things at the right time, and closed the deal preferably the same day? I suspect the answer is zero for you and many others who replied. You are not a PUA (pickup artist) and never were and that's ok.
You and others don't need to feel embarrassed about paying for it and cover it up by saying that everybody pays for it, or that it's better to pay, or that the girl would have dated you for free etc. We all purchase sex; that's what this forum is for.
Just got to understand that if you also have game, you can meet many more women, have many more options and have many different experiences. I wanted to tell the OP that time spent on learning "game / pickup" is time well spent and enjoyable, especially for a younger man, but this is obviously the wrong forum for it. I said that no one here, including me, had any relevant and current experience, and your replies proved me right.
NoBuglyFitches
03-17-24, 15:48
I've been turned down in a *****house three times. ... You can't always buy services of a particular woman or place, but you can always buy sex elsewhere.
I've had sbs bring up marriage and cry when we've broken up. The dynamic is anything but transactional if you do it right. I didn't say it was transactional; it just isn't game. Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).
Glad you were entertained. My posts may come off as arrogant, so I don't post much.
You can't always buy services of a particular woman or place, but you can always buy sex elsewhere.
I didn't say it was transactional; it just isn't game. Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).
Why pay for a taxi? It just isn't game. Game is how you ride a camel for the first time without spending money.
Why pay for eating at a 5-star restaurant? It just isn't game. Game is how you travel to different parts of the world and collect all the ingredients so you can cook for yourself.
Why pay for watching the best movies in the cinemas? It just isn't game. Game is how you download movies illegally and watch them on your laptop without spending money.
Why pay for buying nice clothes? It just isn't game. Game is how you kill sheep to make wool and tailor your own clothes without spending money.
Why pay for buying a phone? It just isn't game. Game is how you use pigeons to send and receive messages without spending money.
Sorry, I have been crazy busy at work. I will add a a few things to my previous reports and Elvis summary. MTY is cool, but most of the girls I am still in contact I met during Covid. After Covid MTY got a lot harder and way more expensive. The girls prices are still reasonable, but everything else is way more expensive. For a short trip, I will definitely stick with CDMX or Tijuana.
MTY is all about the long game and multiple trips, but it is just not that great anymore, hot new girls are hard to come by now. As Elvis said there is a lot of big local money in MTY now. Also, many girls parents are super strict and controlling, so many can only meet during the days and early evening, sounds crazy, but many families in MTY are old school Catholics. Both cities are very safe for foreigners.
There are some super hot girls in San Pedro, but many of those girls are not available to foreigners, for a variety of reasons. Also, lodging is up 40-60 percent now, so if you are careful in CDMX and do not blow a bunch or money at the restaurant / bars CDMX is cheaper. CDMX has so many opportunities for hot chicks, plus the city is great for walking, and food is way better in CDMX.
For me long term stick with CDMX, for a short trip go to Tijuana. Tijuana is so much for a weekend, they also have great food..I am going to CDMX in two weeks and have been chatting with some girls on SA. What would you recommend the $$$ to pay? Do I pay in Pesos or USD?
NoBuglyFitches
03-18-24, 15:43
Sit there all day long without even a hook on the line! Why do you assume the OP has no hook on his line (ie not attractive -- is that what you meant to imply)? He may well be successful. Besides, game and p4 p are not mutually exclusive.
I was never interested in being with average looking women and I do not think a lot of guys on here are.OP asked about "regular girls. " I assume he meant girls who are not on Seeking and who don't do it for money. So I tried to answer the OP's question as best I could, and using my particular limited experience. DIDN'T SAY A THING TO THROW SHADE ON SUGAR OR P4 P. Kinda surprised how many folks jumped on this topic, that is properly outside the scope of this forum and their own interests.
On the other hand if your primary focus is looks, then a few top EU agencies, especially their off-the-books talent, is imo a more efficient albeit pricey way to that end.
Maybe you do have a little experience on seeking. Yes, of course.
It takes game to close the deal with a lot of the women off the site. I answered this already: "Even if you believe you needed or used game on your sugar date, you have no way of knowing if your game was any good. " If the OP wants to learn about game for regular girls, it makes sense to start by talking to guys who focus on that.
Yeah, you can get some lookers that way but it is just another form of payment. Maybe his goal isn't to save money. It's to meet "regular girls," who don't sell it for money. And perhaps to have the ego boost of a hookup that didn't involve money. (And let's pretend you didn't say the bit about the pills.).
that's exactly why some people have lots of money and others don't
I don't think you have jobI respect the hard work of the time equals money crowd, but some guys here have a different reality.
Some already make more than enough money via passive investment income. Time really isn't money then -- on the contrary, the challenge is to fill all of their free time. At the opposite end of the spectrum, other guys can't realistically hope to work their way to being rich in the foreseeable future.
Why pay for eating at a 5-star restaurant? It just isn't game. Game is how you travel to different parts of the world and collect all the ingredients so you can cook for yourself. All of your comparisons assume, incorrectly imo, that the OP's goal was to save money on sex. Stretching it, one make the analogy that game is hunting your own meat -- actually called "game"! -- instead of going to restaurants or supermarkets. To try and follow this analogy, the OP asked about hunting and many posters are out to prove that their steak house is better.
Why do you assume the OP has no hook on his line (ie not attractive -- is that what you meant to imply)? I respect the hard work of the time equals money crowd, but some guys here have a different reality. Some already make more than enough money via passive investment income.Do you? Why do you assume that I was trying to imply something? Because I wasn't trying to imply anything. As I said, I had an old friend (God rest his soul) who used to do that. That's what made me think about that. For him, actually catching a fish wasn't important. It was the calm solitude in deep thought that mattered most. Oh, and I'm about to become one of those guys who makes more than enough money from my passive investments that I'll no longer need to spend my time chasing dollars either. That's about to become my reality too after spending years (time) making and investing money for my clients, my firm, and myself. Hallelujah!
Steve 9696
03-18-24, 16:27
Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.
Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently? 😜.
Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!
Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!I don't miss that BS at all! Can't wait for my next trip. Different set of questions. Like how much? OK, sounds good let's go! LOLOLOLOLOL!
DramaFree11
03-18-24, 19:35
Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.
Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently?
Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!Yep, I am in CDMX having a great time and also being productive at work. I have 3-4 meetings today and the same tomorrow. I love SA.
Traveling back Texas 5 am Wednesday go directly to work. Work through the weekend then back to MTY.
Life is very good!!
Yes. Let's keep the forum fun and informative. No judgements.
I found a keeper in the US. Finally. Have met her quite a few times now. Both if us tested clean, ditched condoms, and are into barebacking. She is brilliant in BJ. She has BC (the thing that goes in arm) but I'm not doing CIP yet. Perhaps, paranoid.
She is able to host and 300 ppm. I think I give her more (like she gifts in addition to ppm precisely because she doesn't ask for more).
I also had more fun "fucking" around a scammer. More on it as a separate post. But gosh, what fun it was to mess with those low life!
Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.
Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently? 😜.
Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!
I don't miss that BS at all! Can't wait for my next trip. Different set of questions. Like how much? OK, sounds good let's go! LOLOLOLOLOL!Like this, done deal in 30 minutes. To provide more context, I looked at myself, why would this hot girl give me her WhatsApp considering our age gap and everything else. Give me another explanation than the one I already have. I confirm with them about certain thing so when they gave me their number, I already know they care only about money.
I am giving you a reason why I did it this way, not trying to argue other approaches because others have their own reason.
FilthyBeaver
03-18-24, 20:47
As someone who's admittedly very picky I've noticed quality has gone down and expectations have gone up. Wanting to get paid for an initial meet & greet. Want this or that, etc. There's an entitlement I'm seeing with this generation, I see it on my employees or prospective emoloyees less than 25. I guess their parents don't teach them that the world owes them nothing and the only (reliable) way to get what you want is hard work. And, to kill a dead horse, time and effort are definitely currencies when it comes to getting what you want. It takes money to make money is another good one my parents taught me. If she thinks of her time as money she's going to need to invest a little before she gets a winner. Same goes for us.
I bang a hottie regularly but I've been seeing her for almost a year now. Long slim waist, 5'10, girl next door face. Going back to the trough when this one ends is going to be rough as she's definitely a keeper. I keep my mongering in other countries as I'm fairly certain I can't do much better at home and therefore don't even try.
Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right.
Anyone actually fuck a hottie recently?
Been struggling w SA of late to score a hottie in a large central US city. Chat chat chat. Can u send me $50 for books? Can u send me $75 for a flat tire? Fucking exhausting. Gonna keep at it till I score one!!
Spent whole day chatting with the first one, same result, she asked for it at the last minute, read the message to get a feel of her playbook. The second one is the direct approach that I brought up the compensation subject right away and I got similar answer as the first one.
I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.
So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).
Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).
Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.
I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.
A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).
Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.
We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.
Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.
Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.
We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.
At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.
A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.
Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.
She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?
Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.
Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".
It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.
Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.
Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.
DramaFree11
03-18-24, 22:40
I am going to CDMX in two weeks and have been chatting with some girls on SA. What would you recommend the $$$ to pay? Do I pay in Pesos or USD?You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.
There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.
Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.
I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.
FilthyBeaver
03-18-24, 22:41
Anyone dumb enough to send nudes to someone they've never met before probably doesn't have the money to be looking for an arrangement. I never understood where the excitement lies with nudes. It's all over the internet for free so why even bother asking someone for them?
I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.
So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).
Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).
Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.
I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.
A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).
Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.
We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.
Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.
Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.
We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.
At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.
A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.
Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.
She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?
Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.
Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".
It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.
Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.
Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.
Steve 9696
03-19-24, 00:19
Spent whole day chatting with the first one, same result, she asked for it at the last minute, read the message to get a feel of her playbook. The second one is the direct approach that I brought up the compensation subject right away and I got similar answer as the first one.If only the US were as easy as Brasil. Been a bit since I fished the US pond because I have go to gals in most cities. I see why everyone is bitching. Man it's tough in US. But will eventually succeed. I always do!
Steve 9696
03-19-24, 00:21
I was nearing the end of monthly SA subscription. So, was on a bit of "gathering numbers" mode. This story is no rocket science but some basics that will give us levers to escape unhurt. And, if possible, even mess with those low life scammers.
So, found this profile. Joined 4 days ago. Good sign to net them early but opens us up to scammers (one need to be cautious here. I do reach out to newcomers by default as it gives me best scoring rate but I always have my guard up. Read on).
Relatively quick response (not necessarily a redflag but observe these things).
Quick chat on SA and moved to whatsapp. Again, not something I normally do but it is so convenient to chat off of SA.
I have a burner phone. Thanks to early advice from seniors here. Always, always use burner phone. If they can Google your number, they can find the real you.
A few chats and soon became sexy exchanges. The "girl" never spoke about money. Some interest in knowing me but relatively quick move to sex discussions (my favorite girls have teased me a little bit but didn't get explicit until we met and fucked once. So, this was a redflag).
Later, "she" turned around and spoke some random stuff including her work bla. Bla. Seemed legit and was able to answer some of my follow up questions very specific to her work field.
We keep chatting and it circles back to sexy topics. Sends me some nudes and I was expecting a $ ask. Nope. She didn't ask. At some point, she asks me for my pics.
Listen carefully here. I side step the convo first. Later it comes back to. It. Now, I send a self-destructing pic. A pic if reverse image searched will lead to me but I have a plausible explanation to my family as any one can find me through that pic. That's my story. Says she couldn't see it. Pushes me to send again. I play along. Sent normal, non-destructing one. My antenna up.
Then, she eggs me on for some nudes. I oblige but cleverly sent some dick pics from online (not mine). Never ever send a full nude that shows your face as well. If you feel the urge to or coaxed to. Send dick pic, yours or random dick but don't show face.
We continue chatting, planning meeting, she swings back to work and few other things. I ask some locality specific questions. Answers match.
At this point, I'm a little confused but leaning towards legit profile. Sex hungry. But, did not LT my guard down. Glad I didn't.
A week of chatting, chat moving from work to locality to sex to food. The whole array. Finally, sends me my face pic and the dick pic, with screenshots of our sex convo. Demands $$ Boom. I did not panic. Because, these are the situations I prepare for.
Face pic. I have plausible story. Dick pic. Not my dick. Workplace quoted by her. Not my work place. I don't reveal my true workplace even to my most favorite SB. Forget one I haven't even met. She threatens me that if I don't pay, she will make it public. I decide to have fun. Play along. Beg her to stop. Ask her what else she has on me. OMG. You are so smart. Just with my name, you found me. You got my workplace. I'm so sorry. I will give money blah. Blah.
She goes time running out. I wasted her time for a while and then, sent back her nudes, her workplace yada. Yada. And turned the threat on her. She responds "you think I am an idiot? I had been cheating you all along. You think it's my real name, workplace?
Truth is, I knew she would say that because I have googled her thoroughly. The name she had given was that of a 75 year old widow. The workplace she gave has no one by that name.
Now, I turned around "so, what makes you think you have my true photo and dick and workplace? Go ahead. Make it public. I don't give a shit".
It was so fun to make her believe she had me and then break that bubble.
Two days later, I sent her "I am still waiting. No one knocking at my door with all those nudes you have on me". I also sent her screenshot of where her last login was from. It wasso much fun.
Bottomline: do not let your guard down. Do not reveal your identity unless you have already met in person.Damn. That's horrifying that someone would go to those lengths. Of course no chick has ever asked for a dick pic in the history of mankind so I guess that's a tell. 😂 But damn I am used to the pizza flat tire and phone scams. This is next level!
Elvis 2008
03-19-24, 01:03
Glad you were entertained. My posts may come off as arrogant, so I don't post much.No, I do not think you represent your POV well.
Game is how you have sex with a woman for the first time without giving her money (and with a woman who doesn't have sex for money).Under that definition, a guy drugging or using violence has game and one who pays for it does not, and I do not think you meant that.
IMO there is playing the game and winning and losing. Winning is getting a woman into bed under terms you accept and when the sex is over, you feel satisfied with the result.
So if you meet a woman off seeking and she is motivated by greed, you are right. It is not winning getting her into bed. Maybe those are the only types you have met off seeking.
I met a lot of seeking women motivated more by fear than greed and needed some persuasion. Among things they are worried about is their safety, how they feel about themselves, how they are going to be seen after having sex with you ETC. Soothing those fears and getting them into bed on acceptable terms to you is absolutely winning the game.
As for the women and their motivations, I was engaged to a Venezuelan 30 years younger than me and I was seeing her in Peru. My time was up, and I was kissing her goodbye and got into a cab. The Peruvian cabbie said to me en route, "You have a pretty GF". Later, I thought why did he think GF and not hooker? And I realized it was how she looked at me and kissed me.
I know women who met men through non sugar sites that are just after a guy's money, and I am sure you have too. I just don't think you have met a couple who has met on seeking that are really into each other, and I can assure you that they exist. It is just something they are not going to come out and admit.
I get being skeptical on line, but in real life, if you saw such a couple, you could tell it was real just as easily as that Peruvian cabbie.
NoBuglyFitches
03-19-24, 11:12
Of course no chick has ever asked for a dick pic in the history of mankind so I guess that's a tell. Two out of my approx fifty sugars last year asked for dick picks. Both were legit. One didn't want large, the other didn't want small. (Well, the latter was actually an opportunistic scammer and used fake pics too, but she was also a fantastic fuck.) This is sugars only. On the specialized apps for bwc / bbc, nearly every woman asks.
Jesus could you guys just leave it be? There is some core disagreement here. Not everyone needs to be right. Disagreement is useful. It advances knowledge, importantly of oneself. Being wrong is actually more valuable.
I picked up on this question because my "goal" last year was to sugar date girls who were similar to my vanilla pickups from a while back.
NoBuglyFitches
03-20-24, 11:50
A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.
1. Meet-and-greet from Seeking means you already got a "first date," which is 1/3 of the task in vanilla. In vanilla, you need to approach, open (start a conversation), create attraction, get her digits / socials (or Tinder match), maintain her interest, and get her to come and meet you.
2. At the M&G you are on a date with a woman who is in principle open to having sex, either that day or at the next date. In vanilla terms, you are already one-on-one with an "easy girl. " Heck, simply identifying girls who will fuck that day is a viable pick-up technique in itself.
3. You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.
4. You don't need to sweep her off her feet. She may not even want that -- or she risks a broken heart. You just need to be a normal, average-looking nice guy who's financially capable. Every vanilla date that ends with a kiss and a thank-you-I-had-a-great-time -- or worse, LJBF (let's just be friends) -- becomes a lay in sugarland.
A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.
1. Meet-and-greet from Seeking means you already got a "first date," which is 1/3 of the task in vanilla. In vanilla, you need to approach, open (start a conversation), create attraction, get her digits / socials (or Tinder match), maintain her interest, and get her to come and meet you.
2. At the M&G you are on a date with a woman who is in principle open to having sex, either that day or at the next date. In vanilla terms, you are already one-on-one with an "easy girl. " Heck, simply identifying girls who will fuck that day is a viable pick-up technique in itself.
3. You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.
4. You don't need to sweep her off her feet. She may not even want that -- or she risks a broken heart. You just need to be a normal, average-looking nice guy who's financially capable. Every vanilla date that ends with a kiss and a thank-you-I-had-a-great-time -- or worse, LJBF (let's just be friends) -- becomes a lay in sugarland.I agree with you, however, in very competitive markets (very few hot girls and many dudes you are competing with) it is not that easy to get a girl's attention and make her meet you in person. Your profile has to stand out, your opening message needs to stand out, etc. Yes, it is easy to score an average looking girl who is down for p4 p. Good luck with the really hot ones. Me personally, I focus on top 5%-7% regardless of the platform and I find it very challenging to even get to the point of negotiating an arrangement. The number of dudes we are competing with is so high in some markets that most of the time I got left on read.
You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.
There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.
Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.
I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.Wow you are right. I've been successful in lining up a number of potential dates with some hot young adult girls in CDMX. Thanks for your tips. It appears to be (so far in my dealing on SA) so much easier than in the US.
Elvis 2008
03-21-24, 19:04
A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.
Two out of my approx fifty sugars last year asked for dick picks. Both were legit. This is sugars only.
You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.When Dramafree was talking about the "game", he was talking about winning over a top shelf woman / women longer term. You are talking about game in the sense of picking up women.
And I do not know why you think we would not know about that book. The fans of that book think the guy Mystery is great and a hero / stud because he could pick up women, but they are missing that he could not get a GF and was horribly depressed. He was literally an addict using women instead of drugs and no matter how high of a quality the last woman was, he would go for the new chasing a bigger high.
He is literally bullshitting and using women. No woman I know would think a guy like this is high value. That is why he has to put on the "show" of value.
What started this conversation was a guy looking to pick up "regular women" as if the women on seeking were all hookers. Some on the site most certainly are, but many if not most are on the site to avoid guys like mystery. They want high value guys not bullshit artists.
When you said you can be an "average" looking guy and score on seeking, I was like wait a second. I have seen the number of PMs hot women get. You are probably top 5% if you even have a date with a hot seeking woman. You just think you are average because you have not seen all her other PMs.
The other seeking advantage is that you know the women are seeking men. You go to a bar and you do know if the woman is really looking for men or not.
The good looking guys who women bang and have no money are not taken seriously by most women long term. And it is those guys and guys like Mystery who are telling you that when you score women on seeking the women just like you for money. Why would I listen to broke ass guys? Or guys getting a woman in bed by bullshitting her rather than paying her? I think that is sick.
I had a woman who was feeling bad about taking money for sex. I was like look at football players. Those are people being paid for using their bodies. Why is that okay and you not selling yours? I guess I did too good of a job because she went from being my SB to being an escort. It was funny to see her become literally the hottest woman in the escort world in my area for years, and she was not the best looking or performing SB I had.
If you think the seeking women are all about money, you HAVE to think what she did was smart because she was killing it financially. Thing is when you work a job you hate, you tend to spend all that extra money on stupid shit that makes you feel better, and she definitely did that. The worst part was her baby daddy sued for child custody saying she was a hooker and he won. So when someone says these sugar baby prospects only care about money, they are saying that these women do not care about their children or their happiness which is pretty stupid when you think about it.
I don't know what it means to have 50 sugars, and I am not sure I want to know. If I am sleeping with 50 women from seeking, and I think I can speak for Dramafree, winning the game / the goal is to get to the highest quality women. It is not to bang as much strange as you can, and that is what the website was designed for. I would not be surprised if one of his SBs turned escort, she was crazy popular too. I have personally seen the quality he gets.
If guys use the site to just get laid and promote the image that all the women on it are hookers, there is a chance the site could be shut down. If it exists so women can use it to weed out the bullshit artists and to allow men to know which women are available, I think it stays strong. And to the OP, I can assure you that seeking women go to bars and other places and guys try to pick them up. You are just making up in your head this false notion that seeking women and "regular" women are in two different camps. They are not. The guys saying that are broke ass losers and bullshit artists.
You will love the city!! I pay between $2 O0-300. Do not bother paying in Pesos, just tell them no. If you say yes, they will just make additional demands.
There just is not that many sex tourists running around here, so do not afraid to negotiate a little bit. Be fair and strive for a win-win deal.
Things are definitely getting worse economically in Mexico, just like in America. The girls do not have as many options as a couple of years ago.
I am here now, smoking hot girls everywhere. No wonder I get bored in MTY.This is interesting to hear, I heard alot of folks complaining that since the peso is inflated to the dollar and the amount of digital nomads coming in that prices are up for girls. But wouldn't be surprised, Mexico doesn't really seem like a hotspot for mongering compared to Colombia. This is a good thing and lets hope to keep it this way.
Maybe his goal isn't to save money. It's to meet "regular girls," who don't sell it for money. And perhaps to have the ego boost of a hookup that didn't involve money.
A couple of posters implied that the two are comparable, so for the guys who might be new to both endeavors, let me talk about the differences as I see them. For the meaning of the word "game" in this context -- which some posters apparently don't know -- see, for example, the eponymous book by Neill Strauss.
1. Meet-and-greet from Seeking means you already got a "first date," which is 1/3 of the task in vanilla. In vanilla, you need to approach, open (start a conversation), create attraction, get her digits / socials (or Tinder match), maintain her interest, and get her to come and meet you.
2. At the M&G you are on a date with a woman who is in principle open to having sex, either that day or at the next date. In vanilla terms, you are already one-on-one with an "easy girl. " Heck, simply identifying girls who will fuck that day is a viable pick-up technique in itself.
3. You are going into the M&G with built-in DHV (demonstration of higher value), because she believes / hopes you're a potential rich SD.
4. You don't need to sweep her off her feet. She may not even want that -- or she risks a broken heart. You just need to be a normal, average-looking nice guy who's financially capable. Every vanilla date that ends with a kiss and a thank-you-I-had-a-great-time -- or worse, LJBF (let's just be friends) -- becomes a lay in sugarland.I did not intend to stir up this much controversy with my question hah. What I meant by regular girls were girls met somewhere other than seeking. Dating apps, coffee shop, etc. I was curious if experience from seeking had helped at all since I also go on vanilla dates, but not very successfully. I think sa has been helpful for just being more comfortable on dates, knowing which topics have worked before and also escalating physically. But I also agree with NBF's comparison post, especially point 4, and that sa is like training wheels.
NoBuglyFitches
03-23-24, 03:16
You are talking about game in the sense of picking up women. Precisely. That was the OP's question and that's what the word means to most people.
When Dramafree was talking about the "game", he was talking about winning over a top shelf woman / women longer term. I'd say "renting" rather than winning: if he stops paying / supporting / helping them, they stop fucking. And vice versa. Contrary to what FB said, it is indeed transactional.
I don't know what you mean by a "top shelf woman. " I just look for a someone that I'm personally happy with, sexually and otherwise.
You are just making up in your head this false notion that seeking women and "regular" women are in two different camps. They are not. Of course, they are! Seeking women have sex for money, on the first or 2nd date, with the much older men to whom they are not particularly attracted. This is why seeking is being discussed on ISG in the first place. "Regular" women emphatically don't do that.
The fans of that book think the guy Mystery is great and a hero / stud because he could pick up women ... And it is those guys and guys like Mystery who are telling you that when you score women on seeking the women just like you for money. Why would I listen to broke ass guys? Or guys getting a woman in bed by bullshitting her rather than paying her? I think that is sick
It's not about him as a person or his skills or method. He was 20 years ago anyway. It's about developing your own approach. It's also not bullshitting. For myself, I've come to see it as essentially a way to signal intelligence. In evolutionary terms, intelligence is a desirable trait; hence, it's sexually attractive like height or a chiseled jawline. But unlike the latter, it doesn't advertise itself. You need to demonstrate it effectively, to be your most attractive self, which feels great. At the same time you arouse her by stimulating her mind. An extra benefit is you learn to understand women a bit and get some idea of how they really feel about you.
No one can argue if you say that the "game" is not for you personally, but unless you tried it and succeeded, you can't really give advice to others.
Elvis 2008
03-23-24, 23:41
Of course, they are! Seeking women have sex for money, on the first or 2nd date, with the much older men to whom they are not particularly attracted. This is why seeking is being discussed on ISG in the first place. "Regular" women emphatically don't do that.One of my favorite escorts made her lawyer BF wait two months before having sex. And as far as what other women want, there was an escort booked up for months, and she told me she was going to a bar. I referred to the same thing you are referring to, her wanting a young stud, and she said, "No, when I go out, I hope that I meet a man much like you. ", and she said it with such conviction I believed her to my benefit. And I can assure you that when she did go to that bar, there was no neon sign saying escort on her.
As for the men women want, I had a sugar baby who had a BF of that type, 6 pack abs and 10 inch cock, the kind of guy every woman wants right? Well, after a while, she got tired of all that female attention and she later found out, he was fucking other women on the side. She said she would never date someone more attractive than her ever again.
And there was the time that a stripper had a squirting, shake the wall kind of orgasm when giving a lap dance to me. She refused to dance for me again. Finally, she tried once and got turned on and quit and said, "I do not trust myself with you. " I was so confused and a friend of hers explained to me that she had not had that kind of orgasm with her husband and that feeling scared her. You never really know how the men who look like they are the types women want perform in bed.
In the USA with seeking, I never had a woman not set a price but when I did not mention price in Mexico and Colombia, there were times I got fucked without a promise of cash. I never had an escort go bareback with me in Mexico or Colombia, but I got BB more often than not from the women I met on seeking. Even if I offered escorts more, they would not do it.
For myself, I've come to see it as essentially a way to signal intelligence. In evolutionary terms, intelligence is a desirable trait; hence, it's sexually attractive like height or a chiseled jawline. But unlike the latter, it doesn't advertise itself. You need to demonstrate it effectively, to be your most attractive self, which feels great. At the same time you arouse her by stimulating her mind. An extra benefit is you learn to understand women a bit and get some idea of how they really feel about you.So you mean you don't care about how a seeking woman views you? LOL. I have a novel idea. Why don't you meet a woman off seeking and not mention price, dazzle her with your inellect, and see if you can get her into bed and to orgasm, and not give her any money.
No one can argue if you say that the "game" is not for you personally, but unless you tried it and succeeded, you can't really give advice to others.To the contrary, I have actually challenged other guys to do what I have done, and they have succeeded like I have. You are trapped in a prison of your own making. You do not think the women on seeking really want to go out with you. It is good that you are going outside of the hooker concept, but it is pretty clear you are wrestling with an inferiority complex.
NoBuglyFitches
03-25-24, 01:38
Why would I listen to broke ass guys? Because they understand women and see through their BS. Not every post on this forum can say the same.
no matter how high of a quality the last woman was, he (Mystery) would go for the new chasing a bigger high. Isn't that your goal too: to win "top shelf women" long-term, as you put it (and tell us about it LOL!) But unlike him, you need some mental gymnastics to obscure the fact that you are paying money for it. Personally, I just enjoy the sex and the moment and don't base my self-esteem on what I think they think of me.
Also, "top shelf women" know the score and skillfully monetize their pretty privilege. If you are sugar dating such a woman / women, you're generally overpaying for sex in terms of frequency, duration, condoms, threesomes and so on.
You do not think the women on seeking really want to go out with you. True, seeking girls won't give me booty calls for free. Most wouldn't go on an unpaid trip with me. Do you have a different experience?
Even if she likes me and has sex without payment on the 2nd date, after we have dinner and a night out clubbing, she'll still be back on seeking selling pussy to some other old guy. I get it, she's got bills to pay but it's not "regular girl" behavior.
Back to the question I asked earlier: did you actually have sex without paying money for it? And with a girl who doesn't expect or accept money? That's what the OP was asking about. (And by the way, FilthyBeaver just reported $300-1500 per date; that's $100-200 K a year to have sex every day!
This debate is starting to feel a tad less cordial, so it's time for me to leave this topic. Thanks for your posts; they helped me clear up my own thinking on all this. I look forward to your parting thoughts if any.
GoingDumb: I will post my $02 on using sugar to get better at vanilla.
FilthyBeaver
03-25-24, 02:33
At my age I have neither the constitution or drive to date everyday, platonic, sexual, or otherwise. Some of you would consider me young and some, old. Seeing my SB at home once a week, maybe 3 x / mo works for me. When I'm mongering elsewhere on the planet, some strange every 2/3 days is about right, maybe slightly less (or more if I find someone I want to see more than once or have good chemistry with).
(And by the way, FilthyBeaver just reported $300-1500 per date; that's $100-200 K a year to have sex every day!
This debate is starting to feel a tad less cordial, so it's time for me to leave this topic. Thanks for your posts; they helped me clear up my own thinking on all this. I look forward to your parting thoughts if any.
GoingDumb: I will post my $02 on using sugar to get better at vanilla.
Elvis 2008
03-25-24, 08:26
Isn't that your goal too: to win "top shelf women" long-term, as you put it (and tell us about it LOL!) But unlike him, you need some mental gymnastics to obscure the fact that you are paying money for it.You need to get out of doing the mental masturbation thing and see the world as it is not who you imagine it to be. Let's go to the facts.
https://www.knowledgeformen.com/undercover-sugar-daddy-on-seekingarrangement/
According to the USA Census, there are roughly 113 million people in the United States between the ages of 18 and 44. And roughly 51% of this population is female.
So now, we have an estimated 60,180,000 women between the ages of 18 and 44. And of those women, roughly 6,700,000 are on Seeking Arrangement. And that number is only growing.
Take out the married woman, the women in relationships, lesbians, trans women, women who have a SD who are off the site, and add in the women who are using other sugar sites and the women doing sugar things not on line, and I think you are at one in two women looking for a SD. And based on what I have seen, most guys will take the SB half of women over the other half all day every day.
Another quote, What surprised me most about my time on Seeking Arrangement was how seemingly "normal" most of the women were. It wasn't like I was talking with uneducated women, amateur porn stars or drug addled strippers trying to earn money in between performances. Some of these women I even had mutual friends with on social media.
In fact, most of the women I met seemed like your typical "girl next door" mostly worried about their tuition, student loans, making rent or just wanted extra cash to fuel a better lifestyle. Many of them were college educated, some of them graduates from top tier universities and, in several cases, held graduate degrees.
And that is EXACTLY my experience. Here is more:
After several months of this experiment, I found that nearly 80% of the women with whom I went out would eventually bring up money between the first and third encounter, expressing their desire for a specific dollar amount or monthly allowance and they would not lower their price.
As for the other 20% of women, as long as I paid for a fun night out, the conversation of money never surfaced. Perhaps this was because I was already spending money on the date, just not directly handing it over to them.
That was my percentage in Mexico. It was a little higher in Colombia and 0% in the USA. Here is more:
But to be honest, the main reason I experienced as much (unpaid) success as I did was that I've spent the better part of a decade refining and honing my dating and social skills. Learning how to hook a woman's interest, be non-needy, pass tests, physically escalate, sexualize interactions, and create the emotionally high adventurous times that few women experienced.
Without these skills, I have no doubt that all of my interactions would have resulted in women shamelessly trying to convert me into their loyal sugar daddy and requesting a "sugar baby allowance" at the end of each date.
The bragging is nauseating, but the point holds: a man can score on seeking with game and not just money.
Back to the article:
On Tinder, Bumble or Hinge, where the dating market is skewed heavily in women's favor as the selector, most men, even successful men, are something of a disposable item on those traditional dating apps. Responses go unread for months, matches go cold in a matter of days, and, on the rare occasion you do strike up a conversation with someone whom you're attracted to, the odds of it turning into a date hover around 15% (and that's good!
Oh yeah, sign me up for that.
I want to quote this because I think it is so funny.
If you want to learn how to develop these skills and successfully date high-quality women without giving up your hard-earned income to pay a sugar baby's monthly allowance and all the expensive dinner dates then grab a copy of The Dating Playbook for Men on amazon which is the best book on the subject.
If relationships increasingly revolve around a man's wealth and his ability to provide lavish experiences, it is unlikely that men will feel motivated to engage in the necessary internal work required to sustain a meaningful relationship with a quality woman.
At that point, it is just more mental masturbation about how terrible sugar dating is. Yes, it is so much purer to give this guy your money than the women. LOL.
As for those wonderful meaningful relationships, take a look at the 8 minute mark on this video, and you have the prize at the end of the "real" relationship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJnBM9g9SA.
Keep in mind that her marriage is in the the top half of marriages as she still is technically married, and at her age, this woman is easily in the top half with looks. She even admits to being a sugar momma where she pays for sex. And the woman before this one on the video openly says the more flowers she gets from her BF, the more blowjobs she gives him. To me, this shows that most American women are hookerish, and this author of the article is trying to sucker men into courting these hookerish women.
With seeking, you can meet loads of women and in essence are starting at third base. With "regular" dating, you are most likely to be in the dugout and you are lucky if you even get up to bat and have a swing. You can't work on your game if you do not get practice.
If you want my history, I got suckered into marriage. I was covering all the household expenses and my crazy wife was making me feel badly. I would pay women on the outside to feel good. I took my financial lumps and thought marriage was crazy and devoted myself to the sugar world, and I was very happy in that world.
I think the biggest issue with the book the game is that the goal is the one night stand and most one night stands suck. Usually one party feels horribly afterwards. Guys tend to recall their great escorts experiences too but most are bad or average. Guys think a newer woman will be better but she rarely is. You need to know what you want not just go for new.
With SBs, I got to learn what kind of woman made me happy longer term and what were my no gos and my red flags, and I said "okay if I am going to be monogamous, here is a list of qualities I would need". The list was so high that I never thought any woman could match them. There was a lot of fun and bumps along the way. That woman I thought I would never meet? Yeah, I met her.
As for what happens next with you, for a few weeks, you will sulk as you hang onto your version of reality. And then you will realize you cannot counter one thing I said factually. Not one. Then you will say eh, what is the harm in trying to get a seeking woman in bed without money? And it will take time and many dates, but you will learn what works and does not work for you, and you will eventually succeed.
And you know what you will tell yourself? I am glad I thought of the idea of getting a seeking woman in bed without paying. This is not my first rodeo with this topic.
NoBuglyFitches
03-25-24, 19:00
I did not intend to stir up this much controversy with my question hah. What I meant by regular girls were girls met somewhere other than seeking. Dating apps, coffee shop, etc. I was curious if experience from seeking had helped at all since I also go on vanilla dates, but not very successfully. I think sa has been helpful for just being more comfortable on dates, knowing which topics have worked before and also escalating physically. But I also agree with NBF's comparison post, especially point 4, and that sa is like training wheels."Training wheels" was the first comparison that came to my mind, too, but on second thought, it's not. More like driving a car instead of learning to ride a bicycle. You can go on a 100 sugar dates and your success rate in vanilla won't get any better. Meanwhile, seeking takes time and energy away from vanilla.
Sure, you're not needy, creepy or worried about the outcome in vanilla if you got your p4 p backup. But on the flip side, you're less motivated, less persistent, and she can probably sense that you're not that interested in her.
Going on seeking dates let's you practice for vanilla dates but isn't it better to just go on more vanilla dates? And if you are only getting a few vanillas a year then it'd be more productive to focus your efforts on improving that; seeking won't help you to get more vanilla dates.
Frankly, I have lost track of this "debate".
Here is my simple approach:
Want a relationship, lasting as long into the future that I cannot predict? I will go to regular dating.
Want a fuck that doesn't feel like a whole girl (although technically it is), and allows me to live a fantasy life for however long it lasts. I go to SA.
I simply don't see the point in comparing and trying to draw parallels (or opposites) between the two worlds. One is real life other is fantasy life. Call it I have MPD. Who cares?
Now, anyone had a good bang off seeking of late? Please post.
"Training wheels" was the first comparison that came to my mind, too, but on second thought, it's not. More like driving a car instead of learning to ride a bicycle. You can go on a 100 sugar dates and your success rate in vanilla won't get any better. Meanwhile, seeking takes time and energy away from vanilla.
Sure, you're not needy, creepy or worried about the outcome in vanilla if you got your p4 p backup. But on the flip side, you're less motivated, less persistent, and she can probably sense that you're not that interested in her.
Going on seeking dates let's you practice for vanilla dates but isn't it better to just go on more vanilla dates? And if you are only getting a few vanillas a year then it'd be more productive to focus your efforts on improving that; seeking won't help you to get more vanilla dates.
DramaFree11
03-26-24, 01:47
You need to get out of doing the mental masturbation thing and see the world as it is not who you imagine it to be. Let's go to the facts.
https://www.knowledgeformen.com/undercover-sugar-daddy-on-seekingarrangement/
According to the USA Census, there are roughly 113 million people in the United States between the ages of 18 and 44. And roughly 51% of this population is female.
So now, we have an estimated 60,180,000 women between the ages of 18 and 44. And of those women, roughly 6,700,000 are on Seeking Arrangement. And that number is only growing.
Take out the married woman, the women in relationships, lesbians, trans women, women who have a SD who are off the site, and add in the women who are using other sugar sites and the women doing sugar things not on line, and I think you are at one in two women looking for a SD. And based on what I have seen, most guys will take the SB half of women over the other half all day every day.
Another quote, What surprised me most about my time on Seeking Arrangement was how seemingly "normal" most of the women were. It wasn't like I was talking with uneducated women, amateur porn stars or drug addled strippers trying to earn money in between performances. Some of these women I even had mutual friends with on social media.
In fact, most of the women I met seemed like your typical "girl next door" mostly worried about their tuition, student loans, making rent or just wanted extra cash to fuel a better lifestyle. Many of them were college educated, some of them graduates from top tier universities and, in several cases, held graduate degrees.
And that is EXACTLY my experience. Here is more:
After several months of this experiment, I found that nearly 80% of the women with whom I went out would eventually bring up money between the first and third encounter, expressing their desire for a specific dollar amount or monthly allowance and they would not lower their price.
As for the other 20% of women, as long as I paid for a fun night out, the conversation of money never surfaced. Perhaps this was because I was already spending money on the date, just not directly handing it over to them.
That was my percentage in Mexico. It was a little higher in Colombia and 0% in the USA. Here is more:
But to be honest, the main reason I experienced as much (unpaid) success as I did was that I've spent the better part of a decade refining and honing my dating and social skills. Learning how to hook a woman's interest, be non-needy, pass tests, physically escalate, sexualize interactions, and create the emotionally high adventurous times that few women experienced.
Without these skills, I have no doubt that all of my interactions would have resulted in women shamelessly trying to convert me into their loyal sugar daddy and requesting a "sugar baby allowance" at the end of each date.
The bragging is nauseating, but the point holds: a man can score on seeking with game and not just money.
Back to the article:
On Tinder, Bumble or Hinge, where the dating market is skewed heavily in women's favor as the selector, most men, even successful men, are something of a disposable item on those traditional dating apps. Responses go unread for months, matches go cold in a matter of days, and, on the rare occasion you do strike up a conversation with someone whom you're attracted to, the odds of it turning into a date hover around 15% (and that's good!
Oh yeah, sign me up for that.
I want to quote this because I think it is so funny.
If you want to learn how to develop these skills and successfully date high-quality women without giving up your hard-earned income to pay a sugar baby's monthly allowance and all the expensive dinner dates then grab a copy of The Dating Playbook for Men on amazon which is the best book on the subject.
If relationships increasingly revolve around a man's wealth and his ability to provide lavish experiences, it is unlikely that men will feel motivated to engage in the necessary internal work required to sustain a meaningful relationship with a quality woman.
At that point, it is just more mental masturbation about how terrible sugar dating is. Yes, it is so much purer to give this guy your money than the women. LOL.
As for those wonderful meaningful relationships, take a look at the 8 minute mark on this video, and you have the prize at the end of the "real" relationship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcJnBM9g9SA.
Keep in mind that her marriage is in the the top half of marriages as she still is technically married, and at her age, this woman is easily in the top half with looks. She even admits to being a sugar momma where she pays for sex. And the woman before this one on the video openly says the more flowers she gets from her BF, the more blowjobs she gives him. To me, this shows that most American women are hookerish, and this author of the article is trying to sucker men into courting these hookerish women.
With seeking, you can meet loads of women and in essence are starting at third base. With "regular" dating, you are most likely to be in the dugout and you are lucky if you even get up to bat and have a swing. You can't work on your game if you do not get practice.
If you want my history, I got suckered into marriage. I was covering all the household expenses and my crazy wife was making me feel badly. I would pay women on the outside to feel good. I took my financial lumps and thought marriage was crazy and devoted myself to the sugar world, and I was very happy in that world.
I think the biggest issue with the book the game is that the goal is the one night stand and most one night stands suck. Usually one party feels horribly afterwards. Guys tend to recall their great escorts experiences too but most are bad or average. Guys think a newer woman will be better but she rarely is. You need to know what you want not just go for new.
With SBs, I got to learn what kind of woman made me happy longer term and what were my no gos and my red flags, and I said "okay if I am going to be monogamous, here is a list of qualities I would need". The list was so high that I never thought any woman could match them. There was a lot of fun and bumps along the way. That woman I thought I would never meet? Yeah, I met her.
As for what happens next with you, for a few weeks, you will sulk as you hang onto your version of reality. And then you will realize you cannot counter one thing I said factually. Not one. Then you will say eh, what is the harm in trying to get a seeking woman in bed without money? And it will take time and many dates, but you will learn what works and does not work for you, and you will eventually succeed.
And you know what you will tell yourself? I am glad I thought of the idea of getting a seeking woman in bed without paying. This is not my first rodeo with this topic.Elvis, you are wasting your time. He will just keep arguing. Let it go, Be a better person. Nobody is learning anything from.
Him.
AmericanPi
03-27-24, 04:00
Most of us were thinking it. Somebody had to say it. Thank you.
Frankly, I have lost track of this "debate".
Here is my simple approach:
Want a relationship, lasting as long into the future that I cannot predict? I will go to regular dating.
Want a fuck that doesn't feel like a whole girl (although technically it is), and allows me to live a fantasy life for however long it lasts. I go to SA.
I simply don't see the point in comparing and trying to draw parallels (or opposites) between the two worlds. One is real life other is fantasy life. Call it I have MPD. Who cares?
Now, anyone had a good bang off seeking of late? Please post.
The truth is the more socially acceptable the pussy is the more it costs. Wives cost the most, and street walkers cost the least and picking up "regular women" at bars is more emotionally and financially costly than having a SB. You are going to strike out a helluva lot more at a bar than with a SB no matter who you are.This part hit me the most. Rich men will marry a 6 or 7 that's presentable, intelligent, loyal. Then rendezvous with 8-10's on the side. Yet the 6-7 you courted is the most expensive liability. They get the houses, cars, 100 k+ wedding, and in some countries alimony. Seeking is quite cheap; all things considered, both in time and money.
CCRider1008
03-29-24, 15:17
I am in contact with a drop dead gorgeous 21 year old and she says she can't wait to be with me etc, I did do a good job of flirting with her for sure, but I can't help just thinking this seems a little too easy and wondering if I'm being setup.
For the record, she has sent me selifes, voice messages, and I'm on her instagram, and everything there looks solid.
The other thing is I messaged her once on SA and she gave me her whatsapp. I then tried to talk to her again a couple weeks later, and her whatsapp number had changed. Could that be a red flag?Highly probable. Like Steve has articulated using SA like sites requires some work, experience navigating the bullshit and tactful yet clear communication. SA used to be a gold mine for GFE experiences with little scamming. Now it's a mix of scammers, time wasters and a few girls who are down and understand what the site if for from a man's perspective. Many girls at least in US buy into the naivety that men on the site will pay for conversation and company only. While that's part of it, I mean come -- WTF. Personally, I don't use it anymore. Don't find it be worth the time or time or reliability.
AmericanPi
03-29-24, 16:29
This part hit me the most. Rich men will marry a 6 or 7 that's presentable, intelligent, loyal. Then rendezvous with 8-10's on the side. Yet the 6-7 you courted is the most expensive liability. They get the houses, cars, 100 k+ wedding, and in some countries alimony. Seeking is quite cheap; all things considered, both in time and money.I think about this a lot. I'm married to a 5. I know I could divorce and find an 8 to bang.
But I also know my wife is an intellectual equal. I might not find her super attractive but we have long engaging conversations and she is well read and highly educated.
I am just barely mature enough to know that is hard to replace. It makes her a high value woman.
I ama also just immature enough to always need young fresh women in bed with me. The kind I stare at at the mall and then want to peel the clothes off of. And do through seeking.
And so here I am in the cycle. Just like that.
DramaFree11
03-30-24, 19:15
Elvis, I read your recent post on Bogota. I never understand why the guys that like the street girls get, so upset about SA. I do not remember any of us not telling guys not to hook up with street girls, unless they provoke us or make fun us. Honestly, I think it is the opposite we say you should you all the resources. (On-line, Escorts, Dating Apps, Day Game, Friends, hell whatever works use it).
Honestly, I think it is the opposite we suggested guys to hand out cards, and meet girls on the street. I also, talked about how my Italian Friends in Ukraine and Russia were all about the day game. They would spend hours trying to meet girls on the street, at restaurants and gyms. It was amazing to watch, and many had success, but in the end most ended up paying one way or another.
I do not care how much someone pays or how they get girls. As long as they give decent information, I would l will never say a word. Now, there are guys in Colombia and Ukraine that blatantly lie. Both places you can get hurt if you make a bad decision.
FilthyBeaver
03-31-24, 12:53
I've seen quite a few in Sao Paolo that say they are either marriage minded or even go so far as to say if you're not looking for a monogamous marriage then don't bother contacting them.
I'm old enough to know that anything can happen but I've got to be really skeptical of someone overtly requesting this on a sugaring site. So what do you guys do? Some of their pics show that they are really desirable and I'm inclined to throw a bunch of money and time their way just to get them in the sack bit I can't help but think it may be futile. Thoughts? Experiences?
Steve 9696
03-31-24, 19:30
I've seen quite a few in Sao Paolo that say they are either marriage minded or even go so far as to say if you're not looking for a monogamous marriage then don't bother contacting them.
I'm old enough to know that anything can happen but I've got to be really skeptical of someone overtly requesting this on a sugaring site. So what do you guys do? Some of their pics show that they are really desirable and I'm inclined to throw a bunch of money and time their way just to get them in the sack bit I can't help but think it may be futile. Thoughts? Experiences?Don't have direct experience but two thoughts.
Monogamous and Brasileira don't go in the same sentence. Brasileiras esp the pretty ones are going to have multiple lovers. Two girls I "dated" got engaged a month or two after we fucked. So that should tell you something.
I'the go at it honestly. And say "I know you are looking for long term and I respect that. But in the meantime I think we might have a lot of fun. " Something like that. I've def had some convos this way.
Elvis 2008
03-31-24, 23:40
Honestly, I think it is the opposite we say you should you all the resources. (On-line, Escorts, Dating Apps, Day Game, Friends, hell whatever works use it).Yeah, if you are serious and want quality, you use it all. I think you also need to go where the women are, and you can do that by looking at population data. My brother was messing around in Dallas eternally frustrated. He literally witnessed the massive transformation of the social scene fifteen years ago when seeking came out. Instead of a 10:1 male to female ratio in bars, overnight, it was closer to 1:1 but he was seeing these older geekier guys with young beautiful women. That was just when seeking hit it big.
He was questioning if he was the problem and went to Russia, and he was just destroying it out there and really got the importance of playing in target rich environments. When he came back to the USA, there was not the desperation he felt before, and he told the women flat out if they were not as good as he had in Russia.
My brother had this friend who was really into the Game as well. The book is okay, but it is like the Ayn Rand books where they have spawned this set of weirdos devoted to it. When I was married, I just cared about getting strange. I was having a great time with seeking fucking my brains out while they were obsessed with this dumb game shit. The amount of time and money they wasted on trying not to pay for it was staggering. The friend was a guy like a Mr. E type more interested in getting a great deal than getting laid.
Maybe I am a little sensitive to it because I heard this bullshit for years. My seeking women did not count. They were sluts. The friend wound up with a stripper and then after that an unattractive woman whose gift to the world was name dropping. My brother ended up with a woman who was a lot like my ex-wife, attractive and accomplished on the surface but bat shit crazy underneath. He was telling me his woman would never go on seeking and neither would my ex-wife but that does not mean they were quality companions. These types routinely put their men down in public, engaged in emasculating behavior, were physically violent, and would call the police when there was an argument. And while maybe at first these type of women like you for you, when it comes to divorce court, they are ALL about the money.
You tell people this and they are like oh it did not work out for you. The guys blink away the 50% divorce rate and a huge percent of the other guys are miserable. They do not get my ex was a smart professional with natural DD breasts and a 24 inch waist, and my brother's gal has this sky high IQ and is a triathlete. The chances of guys doing better than these two are really slim.
I watch the dating shows and with the women, I constantly hear you deserve better. There is no limit to what the women think they are owed, and I think that is the issue. All the women think they have to do is show up.
For me, I realized a good sex life was critical to my life and I noticed the only couples who were really happy were the ones still banging each other. Those guys did not cheat because they really had something to lose. There is all this other bullshit but if a couple is not actively having a great time in the bedroom, I know it is not going to work out.
Far from being illegitimate, I think in some ways it is better to have a seeking woman because a seeking women knows if they do not put out, the sugar relationship is done. It is like a training area in how to please a man.
It is not that hard to find quality women to fuck but a quality companion is something else. So yeah, you use everything you have at your disposal to get one because it is really tough. I think it is disgusting how other men will try to tell you the woman you have is a hooker is or out for money or some other way it does not count and their woman, even if she is inferior to yours, is legit. What guys here need to get is what those jealous assholes say does not matter. A woman will reflect how she feels. If she really cares about you or if she is all about the money her behavior will reflect that.
This shit has happened a few times in a row recently. You message a girl on SA, she replies, you exchange a few words, then move the conversation to WhatsApp. You chit chat a little bit more on WA, everything moves smoothly, looks like she is interested in meeting in person. Then, a day or two later, all of a sudden you realize she blocked you for no apparent reason. The profile pic is no longer visible, and your messages can't be delivered (1 check mark). WTF? No date and the time is wasted. Anybody had the same issue recently?
DramaFree11
04-01-24, 01:54
This shit has happened a few times in a row recently. You message a girl on SA, she replies, you exchange a few words, then move the conversation to WhatsApp. You chit chat a little bit more on WA, everything moves smoothly, looks like she is interested in meeting in person. Then, a day or two later, all of a sudden you realize she blocked you for no apparent reason. The profile pic is no longer visible, and your messages can't be delivered (1 check mark). WTF? No date and the time is wasted. Anybody had the same issue recently?It happens, that is part of the game. I no longer deal with girls that have no pictures or use the disappearing messages. They usually just waste of time.
...Monogamous and Brasileira don't go in the same sentence. Brasileiras esp the pretty ones are going to have multiple lovers. Two girls I "dated" got engaged a month or two after we fucked. So that should tell you something....My experience with non-working girls is different so I won't generalize it. I had two young Brazlilian language tutors and they both are very conservative. One is actually a model traveling with her agency. I have attended wedding, go to their homes, went on multi-day trip with Brazilians in Brazil so I know some pretty well. My own observation tells me the higher social status ones are more conservative than the equivalent of Colombians.
There was a girl who likes me. She used her friend to probe me with questions like she does not want Brazilian man, she wants a boyfriend who is a foreigner, do you know anyone? I was the only foreigner so who could that be? After I left, she sent me a message saying she missed me so much and other stuff. I thought she did not know I left, so I asked her if she knew I left. She said she did. I think she was waiting for me to make a move but I did not. She expressed her feeling for me until she found out it was too late. I would not make a move anyway because we have many common friends and I don't want to be tight down.
Elvis 2008
04-01-24, 15:45
This shit has happened a few times in a row recently. You message a girl on SA, she replies, you exchange a few words, then move the conversation to WhatsApp. You chit chat a little bit more on WA, everything moves smoothly, looks like she is interested in meeting in person. Then, a day or two later, all of a sudden you realize she blocked you for no apparent reason. The profile pic is no longer visible, and your messages can't be delivered (1 check mark). WTF? No date and the time is wasted. Anybody had the same issue recently?With younger generation, going through GF's phone is standard. My guess is jealous BF or girl freaked out. Whatever it is, just move on.
Elvis 2008
04-01-24, 16:31
I'm old enough to know that anything can happen but I've got to be really skeptical of someone overtly requesting this on a sugaring site. So what do you guys do? Some of their pics show that they are really desirable and I'm inclined to throw a bunch of money and time their way just to get them in the sack bit I can't help but think it may be futile. Thoughts? Experiences?If they say they are marriage minded, why not treat them like you would a woman on a regular date and court them like you would a woman not on seeking? Would you throw bunch of money at someone like that? I would not. I would mention you are marriage minded too, take them on dates, and pay for the things a BF would. And change your profile and make it out to be you are good husband material versus rich monger material. That would mean photos of animals, going to charity events ETC.
I was looking for long term on seeking not the hooker types so I actually liked it when women put that down.
Steve 9696
04-01-24, 18:25
If they say they are marriage minded, why not treat them like you would a woman on a regular date and court them like you would a woman not on seeking? Would you throw bunch of money at someone like that? I would not. I would mention you are marriage minded too, take them on dates, and pay for the things a BF would. And change your profile and make it out to be you are good husband material versus rich monger material. That would mean photos of animals, going to charity events ETC.
I was looking for long term on seeking not the hooker types so I actually liked it when women put that down.We all have our approaches but I don't see any need to set an expectation that's likely not reality. This was a timely post because I just had this exact thing. Well not exactly marriage minded. But wants a long term weekly SD. Here's what I said. Likely date next week.
Yep totally get you are looking for regular. I'm not in xxxx and can't be that guy. But I am coming to xxxx later this week and would love to entertain you in the meantime. Allowance of course.
I travel a lot for work and have def flown girls I super vibe with to be with me so that's def in the cards. But requires a special vibe beyond the usual obviously.
So if you are interested in an amazing time while you find your local man I may be just the thing. Whatcha drinking? Espresso martini?
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For those newer at this, In the Seeking game dept notice it ends in a question. Always end with a question.
And she came back right away interested in exploring same. I also think most girls on SA are comfortable with some amount of polyamory. My profile clearly says Im gonna fly in and well have an awesome time. And any girl with the slightest spark will realize ima gonna fly somewhere else and fuck someone else. But it doesnt seem to cause them pause at all.
With younger generation, going through GF's phone is standard. My guess is jealous BF or girl freaked out. Whatever it is, just move on.If that's the case, it makes sense to delete SA profile as well. But no, they are still online and active on SA. I agree, got to move on. But when you have let's say, 5 contacts, and you lose 2 in 1 day, that hurts.
FilthyBeaver
04-02-24, 03:33
To each his own and I'm not saying one way is better than another but if anybody ever wants to know what I'm thinking, they're going to get an honest, mostly unfiltered (with a little tact), answer.
I am not, will not, ever be in the market for a wife. I made that mistake once, was the exact same person I am today when we got married 20 yrs ago and at some point that was no longer good enough. Nevermind the trophy house, cars, number of zeros in the accounts and magazine worthy vacations.
I won't tell a woman who is looking for a husband that I am looking for a wife. There's absolutely nothing wrong with anything you wrote, it's just not something I would do. With that said, I am convinced that the cast majority of non-pros and even semi pros would delete their accounts tomorrow if one were to convince them they intend to go further than the bedroom. It's human nature. Who wouldn't want to walk away from a shit job with a shit boss and shit wages and would enable them to stop hustling and being hustled by some random prick a few times a month?
Don't get me wrong, I like seeking for what it is and what I've been able to pull. But it is a slog by any definition, especially in the US for both sides. I've never been dishonest as far as what I wanted, in fact I cut it off with someone who talked about marriage because I didn't want to hurt her.
So is the general consensus to play along with the goal in mind? Not judging just curious.
FYI what drew me ro seeking years ago was the fact that I was reading a news article that talked about it. I was so dumbfounded by the fact people were doing this I signed up just to have platonic meetings so I could hear their stories and experiences. It wasn't until the 3rd or 4th girl I realized that the whole sugar thing might actually work for me. After the ex moved out my life changed forever and can't ever see being married again. It makes no financial or emotional sense at my age.
If they say they are marriage minded, why not treat them like you would a woman on a regular date and court them like you would a woman not on seeking? Would you throw bunch of money at someone like that? I would not. I would mention you are marriage minded too, take them on dates, and pay for the things a BF would. And change your profile and make it out to be you are good husband material versus rich monger material. That would mean photos of animals, going to charity events ETC.
I was looking for long term on seeking not the hooker types so I actually liked it when women put that down.
LivingFossil
04-04-24, 02:48
Whatsup Perverts,
Anyone know range of rate for BA seeking? It peso is down like crazy.
I might be in BA later this year, but there's not much info here on Argentina.
I am wondering if I should spend a week mongering in BA make the extra trip to go to Sao Palo or Rio?
I will already be in BA so the trip to Brazil would have to mean its way way better than BA.
Thanks!
FilthyBeaver
04-04-24, 07:01
Long term they want a wallet. Short term they want to pay bills and maybe have some fun. Be straight up and I'm guessing most are takers. Sometimes I spend some extra money if I'm not getting the right vibe (e. G. Expensive scarf, dress, whatever) on top of the agreed upon price but I never meet someone with the intent to hop in the sack immediately. I try to meet them prior to a meal and gauge the chemistry / interest during the meal and then let them be my "tour guide" before dinner or heading back to my hotel. Has worked well for me so far but the girls flat out stating they want on commitment on a sugaring site makes no sense to me. At best there are a bunch of players they need to wade through at worst they get a bunch of socially awkward weirdos that couldn't nab a girl on their own without the money aspect.
I use seeking to find open doors that would otherwise be closed without a lot of effort, and dare I say it, rejection. What happens after that is up to my wallet, my game, and some luck but I honestly think the order is the exact opposite of what I just wrote. The smart or hot ones have tons of options, why they're with me still baffles me to this second.
We all have our approaches but I don't see any need to set an expectation that's likely not reality. This was a timely post because I just had this exact thing. Well not exactly marriage minded. But wants a long term weekly SD. Here's what I said. Likely date next week.
Yep totally get you are looking for regular. I'm not in xxxx and can't be that guy. But I am coming to xxxx later this week and would love to entertain you in the meantime. Allowance of course.
I travel a lot for work and have def flown girls I super vibe with to be with me so that's def in the cards. But requires a special vibe beyond the usual obviously.
So if you are interested in an amazing time while you find your local man I may be just the thing. Whatcha drinking? Espresso martini?
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For those newer at this, In the Seeking game dept notice it ends in a question. Always end with a question.
And she came back right away interested in exploring same. I also think most girls on SA are comfortable with some amount of polyamory. My profile clearly says Im gonna fly in and well have an awesome time. And any girl with the slightest spark will realize ima gonna fly somewhere else and fuck someone else. But it doesnt seem to cause them pause at all.
Steve 9696
04-04-24, 14:12
Whatsup Perverts,
Anyone know range of rate for BA seeking? It peso is down like crazy.
I might be in BA later this year, but there's not much info here on Argentina.
I am wondering if I should spend a week mongering in BA make the extra trip to go to Sao Palo or Rio?
I will already be in BA so the trip to Brazil would have to mean its way way better than BA.
Thanks!BA is a lovely city and you can find great seeking girls there. I've had three amazing experiences in recent years. It is not cheap — $200-300 USD but lovely "real" dates and girls.
That said the remainder of the scene bites. And São Paulo has the best girls scene in the world IMO. Scandallo in particular needs to be every man's life goal. And other great spots like Bomboa and Casarao. I would highly recommend you spend max girl time in SP.
FWIW, I don't lie at all. In fact, I'm outright Honest during M&G that I'm not looking for a relationship. I'm looking for fun both ways. I also make it clear that I'm married and I need to be absolutely discrete.
Most girls love the fact that I am open and Honest. Some girls have walked out. And no regrets. Those that stayed back have given me the best and I give them the best.
To each his own and I'm not saying one way is better than another but if anybody ever wants to know what I'm thinking, they're going to get an honest, mostly unfiltered (with a little tact), answer.
I am not, will not, ever be in the market for a wife. I made that mistake once, was the exact same person I am today when we got married 20 yrs ago and at some point that was no longer good enough. Nevermind the trophy house, cars, number of zeros in the accounts and magazine worthy vacations.
I won't tell a woman who is looking for a husband that I am looking for a wife. There's absolutely nothing wrong with anything you wrote, it's just not something I would do. With that said, I am convinced that the cast majority of non-pros and even semi pros would delete their accounts tomorrow if one were to convince them they intend to go further than the bedroom. It's human nature. Who wouldn't want to walk away from a shit job with a shit boss and shit wages and would enable them to stop hustling and being hustled by some random prick a few times a month?
Don't get me wrong, I like seeking for what it is and what I've been able to pull. But it is a slog by any definition, especially in the US for both sides. I've never been dishonest as far as what I wanted, in fact I cut it off with someone who talked about marriage because I didn't want to hurt her.
So is the general consensus to play along with the goal in mind? Not judging just curious.
FYI what drew me ro seeking years ago was the fact that I was reading a news article that talked about it. I was so dumbfounded by the fact people were doing this I signed up just to have platonic meetings so I could hear their stories and experiences. It wasn't until the 3rd or 4th girl I realized that the whole sugar thing might actually work for me. After the ex moved out my life changed forever and can't ever see being married again. It makes no financial or emotional sense at my age.
BA is a lovely city and you can find great seeking girls there. I've had three amazing experiences in recent years. It is not cheap $200-300 USD but lovely "real" dates and girls.
That said the remainder of the scene bites. And So Paulo has the best girls scene in the world IMO. Scandallo in particular needs to be every man's life goal. And other great spots like Bomboa and Casarao. I would highly recommend you spend max girl time in SP.Very curious about how you go about negogiating rates, Do you negogiate at all? Or is 200 - 300 usd just what they ask for and you take it or leave it. Or is that what you just end up giving and you don't talk about money before the deed. You seem very experienced in seeking, would me mind divulging how much you've paid on average in other countries? Colombia, Mexico, etc. The reason I ask is that $200 to $300 usd seems a bit high for Argentina. When I was exploring seeking in Colombia, I was getting girls asking for for 400 k to 500 k pesos which at the time was probably a bit more than $120 usd. Why would it be so much higher in Argentina? Expecially when "normal" prepagos on argentinian websites can be had for prices similar to Colombia. I've heard this $200 to $300 dollars rate repeated several times in this forum. I'm interested in how accurate this really is. There isn't much info out there on Buenos Aires.
Steve 9696
04-04-24, 22:28
Very curious about how you go about negogiating rates, Do you negogiate at all? Or is 200 - 300 usd just what they ask for and you take it or leave it. Or is that what you just end up giving and you don't talk about money before the deed. You seem very experienced in seeking, would me mind divulging how much you've paid on average in other countries? Colombia, Mexico, etc. The reason I ask is that $200 to $300 usd seems a bit high for Argentina. When I was exploring seeking in Colombia, I was getting girls asking for for 400 k to 500 k pesos which at the time was probably a bit more than $120 usd. Why would it be so much higher in Argentina? Expecially when "normal" prepagos on argentinian websites can be had for prices similar to Colombia. I've heard this $200 to $300 dollars rate repeated several times in this forum. I'm interested in how accurate this really is. There isn't much info out there on Buenos Aires.It varies and depends a lot on how much prostitution is frowned on in a given country. In Medellin it's totally legal and everywhere which drives the price down. I was fucking hotties there for 200 k cop. Like $70. So yeah you can totally get a seeking girl in Medellin for 400 k cop. Buenos Aires frowns badly on prostitution and that drives prices up. I think it would not be hard to get a date for $200 in BA. I didn't try to negotiate much. I don't usually internationally because it's so reasonable but try to in the US tho girls are sticking hard on 500 $ usd and hard to even find that.
There is a a strong correlation between hooker and SA prices. SA girl is approx same price but hooker is an hour and SA girl several hours to all night for same price.
When in BA I found Geisha Girls looked legit but did not use them. Did use them as a price proxy. They have affiliates in different cities so you can see Medellin vs BA pricing and that kinda correlates w my thinking.
Ps Im kinda a softie. My first night girl we didnt discuss price. We had an amazing time and shes a legit 9.5 with perfect English. I went to give her $200 usd and she seemed very sad. I gave her another hundred so $300 total and she seemed very happy. So 200-300 covers the sad to happy scale. 😋 Other girl same week was $200 straight up and fine with that. She was an 8.5 with large naturals and ended up bareback in heat of the moment.
Oh and Mexico is not nearly as cheap as u would think. Mexico City and surrounding area is like $220-260. And Cancun is off the charts nearly US prices (per a friend. Never been). If u are looking to keep price down Brazil and Colombia are the leaders.
Thanks for the detailed response Steve. Very informative. I think I would feel uncomfortable going into something without knowing how much it was going to cost me. What if the girl you gave $300 usd to still looked sad. Would you have given her another $100? But once you start negogiating it kills the illusion doesn't it? I had one seeking girl come up to my apartment in Bogota, and if I remember correctly she wanted 400 k, she was a bit full of herself, but personally she wasn't worth 400 k to me, I had countered with 200 k and we settled on 300 k, but in retrospect I should have let her walk, nice enough but not really my type, that's what happens when you try to negotiate with a naked girl on top of you.
It varies and depends a lot on how much prostitution is frowned on in a given country. In Medellin it's totally legal and everywhere which drives the price down. I was fucking hotties there for 200 k cop. Like $70. So yeah you can totally get a seeking girl in Medellin for 400 k cop. Buenos Aires frowns badly on prostitution and that drives prices up. I think it would not be hard to get a date for $200 in BA. I didn't try to negotiate much. I don't usually internationally because it's so reasonable but try to in the US tho girls are sticking hard on 500 $ usd and hard to even find that.
There is a a strong correlation between hooker and SA prices. SA girl is approx same price but hooker is an hour and SA girl several hours to all night for same price.
When in BA I found Geisha Girls looked legit but did not use them. Did use them as a price proxy. They have affiliates in different cities so you can see Medellin vs BA pricing and that kinda correlates w my thinking.
Ps Im kinda a softie. My first night girl we didnt discuss price. We had an amazing time and shes a legit 9.5 with perfect English. I went to give her $200 usd and she seemed very sad. I gave her another hundred so $300 total and she seemed very happy. So 200-300 covers the sad to happy scale. 😋 Other girl same week was $200 straight up and fine with that. She was an 8.5 with large naturals and ended up bareback in heat of the moment.
Oh and Mexico is not nearly as cheap as u would think. Mexico City and surrounding area is like $220-260. And Cancun is off the charts nearly US prices (per a friend. Never been). If u are looking to keep price down Brazil and Colombia are the leaders.
Steve 9696
04-05-24, 16:06
Thanks for the detailed response Steve. Very informative. I think I would feel uncomfortable going into something without knowing how much it was going to cost me. What if the girl you gave $300 usd to still looked sad. Would you have given her another $100? But once you start negogiating it kills the illusion doesn't it? I had one seeking girl come up to my apartment in Bogota, and if I remember correctly she wanted 400 k, she was a bit full of herself, but personally she wasn't worth 400 k to me, I had countered with 200 k and we settled on 300 k, but in retrospect I should have let her walk, nice enough but not really my type, that's what happens when you try to negotiate with a naked girl on top of you.Although I have done it a few times with a nebulous figure I agree with you and now virtually always negotiate ahead of time.
Steve 9696
04-05-24, 17:47
I know I post a lot here about marvelous wins. And I do feel I am quite lucky with prob 95% success in last few years where success is that I generally like the girl and we have good sex. And of course a fair share of home runs where there is more than just like. And the sex is more than just good.
But I recently had prob the worst sex of my life. At least it was amusing.
We met up and had some nice Italian. She was def not as pretty as her pics but def fuckable. A bit shy, she dove into her menu and I had to kinda draw her out. After sharing a bottle of wine and finding out she is a genuinely nice person I bounced her to another bar because I was still not sure if she was comfortable. After that extra drink she asks what I want to do and it's on.
But in the room, soooo weird. She pops onto the bed and asks me what I like. I say I like kissing and blowjob. Not sure why she asks because we really did neither. We exchange a few pecks. Meh. And then her blowjob was horrible. She didn't want to without condom and she kept her hand firmly planted where it barely went in her mouth. We try a little fucking but she wants me to fuck her in the ass not her pussy. I'm soft. She tries more BJ and I get a little licking without condom. Convince her to lick balls but she's very tentative. The whole thing was fucking weird. I love almost all slices of life and so I rolled with it, smiling at her various oddities and trying to push her towards something pleasurable.
I'm the end, she's blowing me without condom but her head is between me and the action. It feels pretty good but I assume it's mostly a handy given her prior reticence. Strangely I feel the build and have a mild orgasm. I guess she really did have it in her mouth after all because she says I got cum in her mouth and I can see some on her lips and chin. She doesn't protest much which is surprising since for the first half hour she treated my dick like some scary foreign object.
So all in all a nice date and the strangest worst sex of my life. I will do better next time.
FilthyBeaver
04-05-24, 18:01
I see nothing wrong with this. CIM without condom with someone you just met is pretty f'in good in my book.
I know I post a lot here about marvelous wins. And I do feel I am quite lucky with prob 95% success in last few years where success is that I generally like the girl and we have good sex. And of course a fair share of home runs where there is more than just like. And the sex is more than just good.
But I recently had prob the worst sex of my life. At least it was amusing.
We met up and had some nice Italian. She was def not as pretty as her pics but def fuckable. A bit shy, she dove into her menu and I had to kinda draw her out. After sharing a bottle of wine and finding out she is a genuinely nice person I bounced her to another bar because I was still not sure if she was comfortable. After that extra drink she asks what I want to do and it's on.
But in the room, soooo weird. She pops onto the bed and asks me what I like. I say I like kissing and blowjob. Not sure why she asks because we really did neither. We exchange a few pecks. Meh. And then her blowjob was horrible. She didn't want to without condom and she kept her hand firmly planted where it barely went in her mouth. We try a little fucking but she wants me to fuck her in the ass not her pussy. I'm soft. She tries more BJ and I get a little licking without condom. Convince her to lick balls but she's very tentative. The whole thing was fucking weird. I love almost all slices of life and so I rolled with it, smiling at her various oddities and trying to push her towards something pleasurable.
FilthyBeaver
04-05-24, 18:27
I'm a little less money concerned than most. I don't haggle except once in Prague and once in Tijuana. I find about half seeking girls make sure you're not wasting their time by asking for a number before the first meet, which I get and oblige but I don't bring it up I let her. Some bring it up in person and I respect them looking me in the eye and giving me a number. I don't like it I say no thanks and meeting adjourned unless they're flexible in which case they'll ask me what I'm conformable with. Once had a seeking girl naked on first date, making out and she stops and asks how much, lmao. I told her $500 and she asked if I can do that every time, pmsl, and I say yes and we continue.
Also depends on how horny I am at the time and whether I see this as a short term or long term thing. Was with a hot German girl in Frankfurt that I was never going to see again and aside from being really attractive she had a brain to match. After 4/5 hours we went to my room and I have her 1500 to spend the night and the number didn't come up until we were in the room. Didn't regret a thing. If I'm looking for a LT SB I'll generally agree to 500 with no resistance at all I start to weigh things put around 800 and 1 k makes me uncomfortable. Once had a girl ask me for 1 k and I didn't commit even though she checked every box for me and then some. She ghosted me but we connected again about 8 months later and I ended up giving her 700 after we had sex and she was fine with it until we broke up about 9 mo later.
So in summary, it depends.
Thanks for the detailed response Steve. Very informative. I think I would feel uncomfortable going into something without knowing how much it was going to cost me. What if the girl you gave $300 usd to still looked sad. Would you have given her another $100? But once you start negogiating it kills the illusion doesn't it? I had one seeking girl come up to my apartment in Bogota, and if I remember correctly she wanted 400 k, she was a bit full of herself, but personally she wasn't worth 400 k to me, I had countered with 200 k and we settled on 300 k, but in retrospect I should have let her walk, nice enough but not really my type, that's what happens when you try to negotiate with a naked girl on top of you.
We try a little fucking but she wants me to fuck her in the ass not her pussy.Well that sounds like it was the best opportunity of the night bruh! LMAO! Wish I could have been there to help you out. It's a dirty job but somebody got to do it LOLOLOLOL! Shy, fuckable girl walking around with dirty thoughts in her head about getting cornholed by a stranger! Who knows? I mean if you had run up in that butt hole then maybe she would have gone ape shit nuts and turned into a nympho vixen! But then again, maybe she was just petrified of getting pregnant heeheehee! Either way, her anus definitely would have felt The Cane! Hahahahaha!
If they ask you for a number before meeting, lets say they ask you for 500 usd and you agree. But when you meet her, she doesn't look nearly as good as her pictures. Do you just call it off or do you tell her how it is and say she's only worth 300?
Yes, it sounds like you are much more price insensitive than I. If I had your money, I think I would just stay stateside and work seeking there.
I'm a little less money concerned than most. I don't haggle except once in Prague and once in Tijuana. I find about half seeking girls make sure you're not wasting their time by asking for a number before the first meet, which I get and oblige but I don't bring it up I let her. Some bring it up in person and I respect them looking me in the eye and giving me a number. I don't like it I say no thanks and meeting adjourned unless they're flexible in which case they'll ask me what I'm conformable with. Once had a seeking girl naked on first date, making out and she stops and asks how much, lmao. I told her $500 and she asked if I can do that every time, pmsl, and I say yes and we continue.
Also depends on how horny I am at the time and whether I see this as a short term or long term thing. Was with a hot German girl in Frankfurt that I was never going to see again and aside from being really attractive she had a brain to match. After 4/5 hours we went to my room and I have her 1500 to spend the night and the number didn't come up until we were in the room. Didn't regret a thing. If I'm looking for a LT SB I'll generally agree to 500 with no resistance at all I start to weigh things put around 800 and 1 k makes me uncomfortable. Once had a girl ask me for 1 k and I didn't commit even though she checked every box for me and then some. She ghosted me but we connected again about 8 months later and I ended up giving her 700 after we had sex and she was fine with it until we broke up about 9 mo later.
So in summary, it depends.
If they ask you for a number before meeting, lets say they ask you for 500 usd and you agree. But when you meet her, she doesn't look nearly as good as her pictures. Do you just call it off or do you tell her how it is and say she's only worth 300?
Yes, it sounds like you are much more price insensitive than I. If I had your money, I think I would just stay stateside and work seeking there.If a girl does not meet expectations, I would cut my losses. In your case, I would offer her 100 and say we are not that compatible. Nego a lower amount usually does not work. The girl had an expectation and there is no good way out. You would probably get a crappy session that would not be worth 300 even if you agree to that price. There are more fish to catch.
I negotiate at M&G.
I have a range for each city. A cap max I will agree if the girl checks all the boxes. Meet and greet, dinner / drinks, various topics, ease in to sexual conversations, understand go / no-go (careful how you do it. You don't want it to sound like $ for sex but essentially that is what it is), calibrate for $.
Let her pitch first. No matter where they pitch, I make a lower counter offer (they go higher than their previous. So, my goal is to get them back to what they normally get).
Give or take a 100, and set. Also, I never heaitate to walk away.
I made the mistake of negotating with a hot naked girl, with a bulge in my pants. Like you said. Bad idea. Learned from my mistake. Never again.
Always M&G to settle on $. Not before, not after.
If they ask you for a number before meeting, lets say they ask you for 500 usd and you agree. But when you meet her, she doesn't look nearly as good as her pictures. Do you just call it off or do you tell her how it is and say she's only worth 300?
Yes, it sounds like you are much more price insensitive than I. If I had your money, I think I would just stay stateside and work seeking there.
AmericanPi
04-06-24, 15:07
I know I post a lot here about marvelous wins. And I do feel I am quite lucky with prob 95% success in last few years where success is that I generally like the girl and we have good sex. And of course a fair share of home runs where there is more than just like. And the sex is more than just good.
But I recently had prob the worst sex of my life. At least it was amusing..Just got off off of a minor loss two nights ago.
Met a Latina chick and her pics were amazing. This is a girl that any man would notice walking into a restaurant. Light skinned, very large breasts disproportionate to her body, small skinny frame, just beautiful.
Then we meet at the restaurant. I mean, it's definitely her, but one thing is 100% certain. She was using filters on all of her photos. Like the kind that basically bump you up 2 full points. She wasn't ugly. She just was not the flawless queen she pretended to be. Darker, less radiant, skin not quite as flawless. I felt duped.
Then when she was naked, it turns out her big beautiful tits were a poorly done boob job. Like they had no natural appeal to them, huge scars under the boobs.
Just felt bait and switched.
Steve 9696
04-06-24, 20:01
Just got off off of a minor loss two nights ago.
Met a Latina chick and her pics were amazing. This is a girl that any man would notice walking into a restaurant. Light skinned, very large breasts disproportionate to her body, small skinny frame, just beautiful.
Then we meet at the restaurant. I mean, it's definitely her, but one thing is 100% certain. She was using filters on all of her photos. Like the kind that basically bump you up 2 full points. She wasn't ugly. She just was not the flawless queen she pretended to be. Darker, less radiant, skin not quite as flawless. I felt duped.
Then when she was naked, it turns out her big beautiful tits were a poorly done boob job. Like they had no natural appeal to them, huge scars under the boobs.
Just felt bait and switched.Yeah filters have gotten waaay too good. My girl def got at least 2 points maybe three. Like a six seven to a nine. Boo! It is so hard to tell these days.
My bait and switch was on the sex tho. Her bod was great. Tho the rare full Bush. But the sex was the fail part. Oh well we are generally killing it so not sweating it.
That said I do filter myself a bit. My abs shots are real - good lighting! But I softly face filter. Not much. But maybe 1 point. FaceApp is absolutely amazing and will show u what is possible.
Did you do a video call check before agreeing to the date? Did you pay the agreed on amount even though she was a full 2 point below what you thought she was?
Even video calls these days have some sort of filter on them.
Just got off off of a minor loss two nights ago.
Met a Latina chick and her pics were amazing. This is a girl that any man would notice walking into a restaurant. Light skinned, very large breasts disproportionate to her body, small skinny frame, just beautiful.
Then we meet at the restaurant. I mean, it's definitely her, but one thing is 100% certain. She was using filters on all of her photos. Like the kind that basically bump you up 2 full points. She wasn't ugly. She just was not the flawless queen she pretended to be. Darker, less radiant, skin not quite as flawless. I felt duped.
Then when she was naked, it turns out her big beautiful tits were a poorly done boob job. Like they had no natural appeal to them, huge scars under the boobs.
Just felt bait and switched.
AmericanPi
04-07-24, 01:38
Did you do a video call check before agreeing to the date? Did you pay the agreed on amount even though she was a full 2 point below what you thought she was?
Even video calls these days have some sort of filter on them.I didn't. I never do. The reason is I don't want my face screen captured and put into a face finder. Anonymity. So I take my chances. It's the Russian roulette of life. It makes it interesting. Sometimes you draw 21 and sometimes you get snake eyes.
FilthyBeaver
04-07-24, 18:22
If they catfish me I'm done. Believe it or not, it's only happened once. Every girl I've ever actually met was as good or better looking in person. I once had a girl setup for meet and greet at a local restaurant. Her pics were at least 5 years younger than her. I was really turned off. On top of that she asked to be compensated for our initial meeting to which I said no. I sat through dinner with her because I'm open to giving up a little standard on my looks if they have a brain or are interesting and she wasn't. Wasted evening, wasted dinner.
Along with the other thread I find most sites unreliable which is why I like to shop in person if looking for a pro. The only defense against older pics and filters is a video call or actual meeting and I'm not a fan of video calls. On seeking it just adds to the slog.
If they ask you for a number before meeting, lets say they ask you for 500 usd and you agree. But when you meet her, she doesn't look nearly as good as her pictures. Do you just call it off or do you tell her how it is and say she's only worth 300?
Yes, it sounds like you are much more price insensitive than I. If I had your money, I think I would just stay stateside and work seeking there.
Any thoughts, ideas on handling shy girls?
I am chatting one up, we moved to text. She stays about 150 kms away from me making it a little challenge to schedule. Pics are pretty (of course, in person might turn out to be a dud), seems like a decent girl. No chat about money yet. Neither have I spoken about sex. I know though that she has had one arrangement before with intimacy.
The challenge is her respones are usually one word / line. A bit difficult to keep the conversation going.
So, why am I investing time? Pics look solid 8. A previous experience of such one line responder turned out to be a cracker in bed once we met. Advantage there was she was hardly 25 kms away. We met within a week of moving to text. Here it has been 3 weeks of texting so far.
Note that she is not jumping on a call either.
Steve 9696
04-07-24, 21:28
Any thoughts, ideas on handling shy girls?
I am chatting one up, we moved to text. She stays about 150 kms away from me making it a little challenge to schedule. Pics are pretty (of course, in person might turn out to be a dud), seems like a decent girl. No chat about money yet. Neither have I spoken about sex. I know though that she has had one arrangement before with intimacy.
The challenge is her respones are usually one word / line. A bit difficult to keep the conversation going.
So, why am I investing time? Pics look solid 8. A previous experience of such one line responder turned out to be a cracker in bed once we met. Advantage there was she was hardly 25 kms away. We met within a week of moving to text. Here it has been 3 weeks of texting so far.
Note that she is not jumping on a call either.Sounds like you have as much experience as anyone here, having bedded a one liner. I don't have time for them. I even say in my bio if you reply with one word reply's and don't engage in conversation then we aren't a match.
AmericanPi
04-08-24, 01:19
Any thoughts, ideas on handling shy girls?
I am chatting one up, we moved to text. She stays about 150 kms away from me making it a little challenge to schedule. Pics are pretty (of course, in person might turn out to be a dud), seems like a decent girl. No chat about money yet. Neither have I spoken about sex. I know though that she has had one arrangement before with intimacy.
The challenge is her respones are usually one word / line. A bit difficult to keep the conversation going.
So, why am I investing time? Pics look solid 8. A previous experience of such one line responder turned out to be a cracker in bed once we met. Advantage there was she was hardly 25 kms away. We met within a week of moving to text. Here it has been 3 weeks of texting so far.
Note that she is not jumping on a call either.It's not shyness.
That said I have found little correlation between this sort of text discourse and how a girl "performs" when she shows up.
I think most super hot seeking girls field so many inquiries that it's just fatiguing to give every guy the honor of more detailed responses. I'm sure most inquiries end up in cheapskates and girls think they wasted their time and don't want to do the first act performance until they know they're speaking to an actually well capitalized guy.
I try to get to the point I'm quoting an arrangement as soon as practical so it's clear I'm serious and need them at attention.
Steve 9696
04-08-24, 04:21
It's not shyness.
That said I have found little correlation between this sort of text discourse and how a girl "performs" when she shows up.
I think most super hot seeking girls field so many inquiries that it's just fatiguing to give every guy the honor of more detailed responses. I'm sure most inquiries end up in cheapskates and girls think they wasted their time and don't want to do the first act performance until they know they're speaking to an actually well capitalized guy.
I try to get to the point I'm quoting an arrangement as soon as practical so it's clear I'm serious and need them at attention.Yeah even tho I love long distance courting, this week I've been saying I'm going out later this week and do they want to come. And very quick and direct hits. I do think they tired of spending lots of time. So quick payback is attractive.
What were the best cities for SA in your experience? So far London and Medellin treated me well, wondering if there are other cities you guys recommend.
Steve 9696
04-08-24, 14:44
What were the best cities for SA in your experience? So far London and Medellin treated me well, wondering if there are other cities you guys recommend.Madrid is amazing if you like Latinas. Pretty much every girl is worth chatting up. LOL. Also where I found my legit 10. Mexico City has a pile of hot girls as well. Not as inexpensive as you might think tho be.
Madrid is amazing if you like Latinas. Pretty much every girl is worth chatting up. LOL. Also where I found my legit 10. Mexico City has a pile of hot girls as well. Not as inexpensive as you might think tho be.Yeah just came back from CDMX (see small report in my profile). I ended up finding an amazing civie there before I could really explore Seeking.
I will thinking about Madrid and Barcelona, Spain should have some real talent.
AmericanPi
04-08-24, 15:42
What were the best cities for SA in your experience? So far London and Medellin treated me well, wondering if there are other cities you guys recommend.Honestly I've seen that city size is the most important factor. The largest cities simply have the biggest pools plain and simple. So you'll always see London Madrid Cdmx Berlin LA NY Bogota etc show up when you ask. It's nothing more than the pools are so large. When you ge to cities in the hundreds of thousands there just isn't critical mass enough of this sort of thing.
DramaFree11
04-08-24, 16:19
Yeah just came back from CDMX (see small report in my profile). I ended up finding an amazing civie there before I could really explore Seeking.
I will thinking about Madrid and Barcelona, Spain should have some real talent.I also just got back from CDMX, so much fun, great food and the women. Definitely not Moscow, which is my favorite, but pretty close. Way better weather, but the Night Life is no comparison to Russia, Food and girls are similar.
Be very cautious at the Restaurants and Bars it can get expensive quickly. Always check the prices and order, do not let the girls order, or you might be in for a Huge Bill.
LivingFossil
04-10-24, 01:27
I have had amazing experiences on SA in Mexico, Peru, and Colombia but am now looking to expand in South America.
I like to session 1 or 2 times per day at my Airbnb for a week or so, so I got to keep it under $150 to curtail my addiction.
The girls I like are 18-23, no plastic, non pros, feminine, I don't care if they are dark or light, and they don't have to be models, I am cool with 7's and 8's LOL.
BA and SP seem too expensive for me, maybe the 2nd tier cities in either country or anyone ever been to Asuncion Paraguay look off the beaten path?
What new city should I try?
DramaFree11
04-10-24, 03:11
I have had amazing experiences on SA in Mexico, Peru, and Colombia but am now looking to expand in South America.
I like to session 1 or 2 times per day at my Airbnb for a week or so, so I got to keep it under $150 to curtail my addiction.
The girls I like are 18-23, no plastic, non pros, feminine, I don't care if they are dark or light, and they don't have to be models, I am cool with 7's and 8's LOL.
BA and SP seem too expensive for me, maybe the 2nd tier cities in either country or anyone ever been to Asuncion Paraguay look off the beaten path?
What new city should I try?Good luck with that. I think the days of $150, are long gone. It can happen, but I'll take a lot of work and some luck. I do not think you'll be able to get anything High End at that price point but.
FilthyBeaver
04-10-24, 06:42
Huh? Food and girls are similar? Aside from the odd Sinaloan, I doubt I could ever mistake a Mexican as a Russian. I've said a billion times that I have a slav fetish and I am fully aware of the fact the the best looking girls in Mexico are from Sinaloa but similar they are not. Aside from looks, most slavs are very hard nuts to crack whereas most Mexican girls take you as you are and are easier to talk to. And the food is night and day different (love both BTW). Unless you were talking about prices and I missed that but I doubt it. I haven't need to Moscow in more time than I care to admit but unless prices have come down a lot they've got to be an order of magnitude different.
I also just got back from CDMX, so much fun, great food and the women. Definitely not Moscow, which is my favorite, but pretty close. Way better weather, but the Night Life is no comparison to Russia, Food and girls are similar.
Be very cautious at the Restaurants and Bars it can get expensive quickly. Always check the prices and order, do not let the girls order, or you might be in for a Huge Bill.
Huh? Food and girls are similar? Aside from the odd Sinaloan, I doubt I could ever mistake a Mexican as a Russian. I've said a billion times that I have a slav fetish and I am fully aware of the fact the the best looking girls in Mexico are from Sinaloa but similar they are not. Aside from looks, most slavs are very hard nuts to crack whereas most Mexican girls take you as you are and are easier to talk to. And the food is night and day different (love both BTW). Unless you were talking about prices and I missed that but I doubt it. I haven't need to Moscow in more time than I care to admit but unless prices have come down a lot they've got to be an order of magnitude different.He might be referring to the fact that Mexico City is flooded with Russian agencies. During my trip I tried a Russian escort and she was as pretty as the Russians I banged in Europe.
Steve 9696
04-10-24, 20:35
First let me preface this by saying that I've grown to appreciate fat girls a bit more in recent years. They are not my standard diet. But when forced to go that route I am always pleasantly surprised. They do tend to try harder and so I've found amazing DFK and BBBJ from all the fat girls I've had. This was no exception.
So my story starts with a mega fail. I'the found a definite hottie and we had good chat. There were a couple little like orange flags but I decided to proceed thinking — What's the worst that could happen? She could not show up. And indeed I received the elaborate last minute money scam, which I had not seen in several years.
We had planned the meetup and she had said she was coming from her moms. She had previously established that she's been sick for a while (orange flag). But I am literally at the restaurant when she texts that she needs money for her moms medicine and she can't leave until she takes it. Biatch! Fortunately I had kinda seen it coming and confirmed my favorite strip club in the US is about five minutes away so I just sighed a deep sigh and blocked her. I remain shocked that women will do something so shitty as to engage that deeply and then run the scam. I'm sure fools fall for it daily. This is the suckass part of Seeking.
So going to eat and head to the strip club when I think — hmmm. There was that heavy girl, Sky, who I back burnered. Super long shot but I text her "Hey you up for some last minute fun" and ten seconds later I get a "let's do it" message back.
Some texting back and forth and agreed price and an hour later we are at dinner. She's def a fat girl. No two ways about it. But she has a pretty face and is really pleasant company. So we bop to the hotel.
In room she is everything you want in a girl (other than her size). Great DFK. Sliding to her knees to submissively unbuckle and undress you. Soft wet BBBJ with doe eyes and slobbery BLS. Just top notch. Once she's blown me a good long time we move to Steve 2 where she continues to blow me as I finger her. She def enjoys this so much so that she has to pause sucking me from time to time as she has some waves of pleasure. We must do this for another 15-20 minutes. Heavenly.
Eventually it's time for some fucking and we do mish and the Steve. It's really quite good. For the finish I put her back on BJ and she does some amazing full service BJ — meaning an amazing integration of sloppy ball licking, shaft licking, and slow and sensual doe eyes shaft work. Really really good and she gets the goods.
Super nice girl and great in the bedroom. And so nice to score that last minute after the biatch scam.
Fatties are def not my first choice because I always seek (and often find!) the unicorn. But for DFK and BBBJ and no real chance of bait and switch they can be a solid choice. At least for me. Proven once again.
FilthyBeaver
04-10-24, 21:04
Fat is in the eye of the beholder but she met my definition of fat, had a really pretty face, huge, unmanageable cans, and was pleasant company although there wasn't much substance. A friend mine was in love with her.
She went out of her way to please, CIM, cip, etc. She talked about marriage and I broke it off, didn't want to hurt her. But I'm confident she'd jump into a relationship and delete her account with any stable guy who treated her nice.
First let me preface this by saying that I've grown to appreciate fat girls a bit more in recent years. They are not my standard diet. But when forced to go that route I am always pleasantly surprised. They do tend to try harder and so I've found amazing DFK and BBBJ from all the fat girls I've had. This was no exception.
So my story starts with a mega fail. I'the found a definite hottie and we had good chat. There were a couple little like orange flags but I decided to proceed thinking What's the worst that could happen? She could not show up. And indeed I received the elaborate last minute money scam, which I had not seen in several years.
We had planned the meetup and she had said she was coming from her moms. She had previously established that she's been sick for a while (orange flag). But I am literally at the restaurant when she texts that she needs money for her moms medicine and she can't leave until she takes it. Biatch! Fortunately I had kinda seen it coming and confirmed my favorite strip club in the US is about five minutes away so I just sighed a deep sigh and blocked her. I remain shocked that women will do something so shitty as to engage that deeply and then run the scam. I'm sure fools fall for it daily. This is the suckass part of Seeking.
So going to eat and head to the strip club when I think hmmm. There was that heavy girl, Sky, who I back burnered. Super long shot but I text her "Hey you up for some last minute fun" and ten seconds later I get a "let's do it" message back.
Some texting back and forth and agreed price and an hour later we are at dinner. She's def a fat girl. No two ways about it. But she has a pretty face and is really pleasant company. So we bop to the hotel.
In room she is everything you want in a girl (other than her size). Great DFK. Sliding to her knees to submissively unbuckle and undress you. Soft wet BBBJ with doe eyes and slobbery BLS. Just top notch. Once she's blown me a good long time we move to Steve 2 where she continues to blow me as I finger her. She def enjoys this so much so that she has to pause sucking me from time to time as she has some waves of pleasure. We must do this for another 15-20 minutes. Heavenly.
Eventually it's time for some fucking and we do mish and the Steve. It's really quite good. For the finish I put her back on BJ and she does some amazing full service BJ meaning an amazing integration of sloppy ball licking, shaft licking, and slow and sensual doe eyes shaft work. Really really good and she gets the goods.
Super nice girl and great in the bedroom. And so nice to score that last minute after the biatch scam.
Fatties are def not my first choice because I always seek (and often find!) the unicorn. But for DFK and BBBJ and no real chance of bait and switch they can be a solid choice. At least for me. Proven once again.
DramaFree11
04-11-24, 01:26
First let me preface this by saying that I've grown to appreciate fat girls a bit more in recent years. They are not my standard diet. But when forced to go that route I am always pleasantly surprised. They do tend to try harder and so I've found amazing DFK and BBBJ from all the fat girls I've had. This was no exception.
So my story starts with a mega fail. I'the found a definite hottie and we had good chat. There were a couple little like orange flags but I decided to proceed thinking What's the worst that could happen? She could not show up. And indeed I received the elaborate last minute money scam, which I had not seen in several years.
We had planned the meetup and she had said she was coming from her moms. She had previously established that she's been sick for a while (orange flag). But I am literally at the restaurant when she texts that she needs money for her moms medicine and she can't leave until she takes it. Biatch! Fortunately I had kinda seen it coming and confirmed my favorite strip club in the US is about five minutes away so I just sighed a deep sigh and blocked her. I remain shocked that women will do something so shitty as to engage that deeply and then run the scam. I'm sure fools fall for it daily. This is the suckass part of Seeking.
So going to eat and head to the strip club when I think hmmm. There was that heavy girl, Sky, who I back burnered. Super long shot but I text her "Hey you up for some last minute fun" and ten seconds later I get a "let's do it" message back.
Some texting back and forth and agreed price and an hour later we are at dinner. She's def a fat girl. No two ways about it. But she has a pretty face and is really pleasant company. So we bop to the hotel.
In room she is everything you want in a girl (other than her size). Great DFK. Sliding to her knees to submissively unbuckle and undress you. Soft wet BBBJ with doe eyes and slobbery BLS. Just top notch. Once she's blown me a good long time we move to Steve 2 where she continues to blow me as I finger her. She def enjoys this so much so that she has to pause sucking me from time to time as she has some waves of pleasure. We must do this for another 15-20 minutes. Heavenly.
Eventually it's time for some fucking and we do mish and the Steve. It's really quite good. For the finish I put her back on BJ and she does some amazing full service BJ meaning an amazing integration of sloppy ball licking, shaft licking, and slow and sensual doe eyes shaft work. Really really good and she gets the goods.
Super nice girl and great in the bedroom. And so nice to score that last minute after the biatch scam.
Fatties are def not my first choice because I always seek (and often find!) the unicorn. But for DFK and BBBJ and no real chance of bait and switch they can be a solid choice. At least for me. Proven once again.Too funny! I would rather go ugly, than fat. You have to take the good with the bad. You have been on a good run!
Steve 9696
04-11-24, 04:37
Too funny! I would rather go ugly, than fat. You have to take the good with the bad. You have been on a good run!Yeah it's funny how we are all a little different. I cannot do ugly but built. I got to have the face first and foremost. Nordic chicks? May as well shoot me in the ballsack. Not for me LOL. Love me my Latinas and Asians.
Yeah. We all have very different tastes.
I have seen myself naturally drawn to the following variables. Tall, athletic, strong legs, flat tummy. Prefer brunettes but blondes are equally ok if they have the body. Have a thing for redhead but no luck so far.
Of late, I'm discovering that I like Latinas too but not the ones with big ass.
All said and done, a wet BBBJ with lots of eye contact- nothing beats it no matter the size, color and shape of the girl.
Yeah it's funny how we are all a little different. I cannot do ugly but built. I got to have the face first and foremost. Nordic chicks? May as well shoot me in the ballsack. Not for me LOL. Love me my Latinas and Asians.
Steve 9696
04-11-24, 23:13
Yeah. We all have very different tastes.
I have seen myself naturally drawn to the following variables. Tall, athletic, strong legs, flat tummy. Prefer brunettes but blondes are equally ok if they have the body. Have a thing for redhead but no luck so far.
Of late, I'm discovering that I like Latinas too but not the ones with big ass.
All said and done, a wet BBBJ with lots of eye contact- nothing beats it no matter the size, color and shape of the girl.Well my friend if you are binging Latinas you got to get to Brazil. Best girl scene on the planet. Plus I'm flying an affectionate hot as fuck 9 to Barcelona and Mya the ten (yep) is looking to hang out also. It's paradise. And cheap as fuck compared to US (and Euro if you find the right girl).
Steve 9696
04-11-24, 23:33
Crosss fingers for me fellas. Hope to be dropping a report tonight or tomorrow on a real gem. And that they still exist in the US. Cross fingers for me and stay tuned!
Steve 9696
04-12-24, 04:31
So after my last two experiences I was getting ready to throw in the towel and admit US Seeking bites and there are no gems. Hold on. Not so fast! Connected with a hottie earlier this week and we agreed 300 which is unheard of in big cities and she a smoking hot Mexicana. A little worried about a scam at that price but the vibe was quite different like she asked if she had to drive far to me and we don't vibe could I cover her gas. And when we changed day she asked if she could change the time. Little details that scammers likely don't do.
Anyhow it wasn't a scam and it was absolutely epic. We met for lunch and had some awesome sushi. The vibe was electric. Just a bubbly chatty fun girl. Just my type. Unfortunately when I went for the "let's get out of here" she said she had to take her grandmother to the doctors and was going to be tied up till 6. I know this sounds scammy but I could just tell she wasn't going to stiff me. Vibe was too good. And she's a real girl with a real job. The perfect Seeking girl.
So sure enough it's legit and we keep in touch right up to when she shows at the hotel. I was able to get the Renaissance for $89 on Hotwire so that was sweet. We get some drinks at the bar and after a few sips take them up to the room. Things start a little slow but eventually there is some tentative kissing. Then she asks to shower and I join her a few minutes later. Kissing still a bit light but once I get her going she starts to eat my face ravenously.
The sex was absolutely mind blowing. She had a strong O during the fingering in Steve 2 she loooved that and again later during sex and round 2 DATY. She has more of what I call the paint roller orgasm (see prior posts) rather than clamping but it's real and visceral. The Steve 2 was epic and very long. But eventually we fucked. Primarily in mish and I ended up cumming hard on her tummy.
We had a nice break and drank our drinks and chatted. On returning from the bathroom she started kissing me and round 2 was on. This round consisted mostly of a 20+ minute blowjob. I'the never had one like it before. After regular BJ I put her on BLS which was great but then I asked her to just lick my shaft. Most girls lick a bit and then return to BJ. Instead she kept doing s long lick from balls to tip. Lingering with her mouth on the tip for just a second then repeated this. She did this over and over and over again for at least 15 minutes. It was kinda like edging. Because it felt soooo good but every time I wanted to but it in her mouth. But she just repeated and repeated. It was like s pleasurable torture.
Eventually she went for the goods but didn't get them tho I was close. I was a little soft but went to fuck her in the Steve position. Damn she felt fine. In only about ten strokes I was hard as a brick again. We fucked absolutely forever (oi oi oi!) but couldnt quite get er done and packed it in.
Nearly 2. 5 hours in the bedroom. Holy fuck. What a girl. Proof once again that gems do exist if you slog thru the BS. Going to def fly her with me. I'm smitten.
Brazil has been on the radar for a while.
Wife says she wants to go if I go to Brazil. Sad!
Well my friend if you are binging Latinas you got to get to Brazil. Best girl scene on the planet. Plus I'm flying an affectionate hot as fuck 9 to Barcelona and Mya the ten (yep) is looking to hang out also. It's paradise. And cheap as fuck compared to US (and Euro if you find the right girl).
AmericanPi
04-14-24, 17:33
Brazil has been on the radar for a while.
Wife says she wants to go if I go to Brazil. Sad!Words I live in fear of: Oh, that sounds like a great business trip. Since you already have the hotel paid for and I've always wanted to go, we should totally make it a family trip!
Any advice on how to give a girl BJ tips? I've had good ones before but not sure how to tell a girl to do it. One, like steve's report, was super soft but I have no idea how she did it haha. Girl I've been seeing does a decent BJ but I feel some teeth, maybe because she has a small mouth? I love it when she sucks her juices off my fingers but hasn't translated to bjs.
FilthyBeaver
04-17-24, 03:43
She obviously wants to make you happy so tell her you feel teeth. If she can help it I'm guessing she would. My ex had a really small mouth and I could feel teeth all the time but I was never really a BJ guy anyway so she didn't and I was fine with it.
Any advice on how to give a girl BJ tips? I've had good ones before but not sure how to tell a girl to do it. One, like steve's report, was super soft but I have no idea how she did it haha. Girl I've been seeing does a decent BJ but I feel some teeth, maybe because she has a small mouth? I love it when she sucks her juices off my fingers but hasn't translated to bjs.
Elvis 2008
04-17-24, 18:10
I have had amazing experiences on SA in Mexico, Peru, and Colombia but am now looking to expand in South America.
The girls I like are 18-23, no plastic, non pros, feminine, I don't care if they are dark or light, and they don't have to be models, I am cool with 7's and 8's LOL.
BA and SP seem too expensive for me, maybe the 2nd tier cities in either country or anyone ever been to Asuncion Paraguay look off the beaten path?
What new city should I try?Paraguay is part of the Mercosur group and so Paraguayans are free to work in any of the Mercosur nations like Brazil and Argentina. Thing is Asuncion is inexpensive and a lot of the younger girls are not gong to venture out to greener pastures right away. So it and Colombia are probably the cheapest two places in the Western world to get laid, but Asuncion is small and boring.
Unlike Colombia though, Paraguay is not easy to get to. You had to have a yellow fever vaccine, pay for a visa, and would pay more for flights, so you are talking about probably a $1000 more to get there than Colombia. If you are willing to camp out there for months, you can get your money back. For a nonstop fuckathon, it would be decent, but the women are not going to be too sophisticated as they probably have never left their home nation. If you find the woman of your dreams there, and you can find the 9-10's there as many Paraguayan women are stunning, what are you going to do? Fly twelve hours to see them? A six hour flight where you meet in the middle?
That said, given how small the population is, I would not rely on seeking. I wish I had been much more forward there than I was. Still, back then, that would have been a sex not sugar daddy desire.
The other place that intrigued me was not Sao Paulo or Rio but Curitiba Brazil. I have been told it is the nicest city in Brazil, well run, founded by European settlers with a lot of blondes. But while the city itself is cheaper, it is hard to get to and you have to pay for a visa so you are looking at hundreds more in expenses. And because you have a smaller population, you are going to have dig deeper and harder than just relying on seeking. And the sex to be had in Sao Paulo is so good I am not sure why you would go to Curitiba. Again, if you find your dream sugar baby, the costs of flights and time to meet are going to be insane.
The same could be said about the Igauzu falls region where there are a lot of beauties. The woman in the Mancora region of Peru IMO were way prettier than the ones in Lima but there are not many of them.
As someone who has ventured into the Colombian country side, I can tell you that there is gold in them thar hills. The cost is not prohibitive but it is the time. Add on three or four hours to whatever your flight time is. Also, the people in the places I am thinking of look are beauties but they look much the same, so an American is going to stick out. It is not going to take long for people to figure out why you are there, and they may not approve. It is much easier to blend in in Bogota than even places like Cartagena or Medellin where there is already a huge backlash against sex tourism.
Practically speaking then, if you looking to hunt for sugar baby diamonds in the rough, Mexican cities off the beaten path like Leon, Puebla, Toluca, and Hermosillo are realistically better. Flying to secondary Mexican cities is cheap financially and time wise in comparison to these other places. Realistically speaking, you can find a SB in those places, but it is going to be a harder hunt than CDMX.
She obviously wants to make you happy so tell her you feel teeth. If she can help it I'm guessing she would. My ex had a really small mouth and I could feel teeth all the time but I was never really a BJ guy anyway so she didn't and I was fine with it.Sorry, I meant more technique wise haha.
So, several weeks ago I showed you guys a Seeking girl who put up a pic with spermatozoa on her nose! And now this from a different one! LMAO!
VanessasClient
04-20-24, 02:21
If they ask you for a number before meeting, lets say they ask you for 500 usd and you agree. But when you meet her, she doesn't look nearly as good as her pictures. Do you just call it off or do you tell her how it is and say she's only worth 300?
Yes, it sounds like you are much more price insensitive than I. If I had your money, I think I would just stay stateside and work seeking there.I've had bad experiences with girls both using bogus pictures, but also lying about their age. Then of course there is bad hygiene; yuck! These days I usually won't meet unless I video chat first, or if not, agree ahead of time on a cancellation fee if "we are not a match. " I don't think losing 100 USD is worth the risk of her running to the hotel desk crying rape, telling her friend or pimp that you robbed her, or anything else along these lines that could lead to way more trouble than it's worth. Even in the end if you make it out unscathed, do you really want to spend the next 5 hours talking to the cops when they might not even speak your language? There's all kinds of shady figures in this lifestyle, and paying a small cancellation fee is nothing compared to full scale blackmail.
I've been surprised both ways. Sometimes they look better in person. One thing you can almost never tell for sure is if they have acne scars. Because even without airbrushing their photos, they can put so much makeup on that it's almost impossible to tell from a picture if they have extensive pockmarks. Then in person you will know, and it gets worse as makeup rubs off during the session.
I think the best thing is to have an "acceptable" threshold. So the bare minimum can be "this isn't what I was hoping for, but it will work. " Anything below that I would just offer a small cancellation fee and get out of there, or get her out of there, as quickly as possible. Because next time they might look better than their pictures. I don't normally do this, but I've taken chances on blurred out faces a couple of times, and been pleasantly surprised. Navigating this world will never be 100% perfect, but try to plan for the best haul possible.
AmericanPi
04-20-24, 17:14
if not, agree ahead of time on a cancellation fee if "we are not a match. " I don't think losing 100 USD is worth the risk of her running to the hotel desk crying rape, telling her friend or pimp that you robbed her, or anything else along these lines that could lead to way more trouble than it's worth. Even in the end if you make it out unscathed, do you really want to spend the next 5 hours talking to the cops when they might not even speak your language? There's all kinds of shady figures in this lifestyle, and paying a small cancellation fee is nothing compared to full scale blackmail.I can be a broken record on this point, but I totally agree. I have paid girls the entire amount just to part ways peacefully. If you get the sense that a girl is a loose cannon, and could do something drastic (Eg accuse you of rape because she got pissed off about something you said) your best bet is to just do what you need to do to part ways peacefully. It's like in my martial arts training, they drill into you that if you ever have to use this stuff you'd have been way better off just running away. Same thing. Don't get penny wise over 500 bucks or something. One phone call from the police and it's no longer worth it.
One girl got upset after we had sex. She was new and I think it make her feel like a working girl. She left in a huff. I ended up writing a series of painfully nice text messages (" I'm so sorry things didn't work out." " It was clear we weren't feeling it and I'm glad you were so kind in how we parted ways") just to create an evidence log of how we walked away without drama.
This is why on first meet, I never meet at my home base, whether it be an airbnb or a hotel. And never give my real name. These days it has become absolutely ridiculous the amount of "airbrushing" and filters that the girls use. They use the filters to slim their waists, increase their breast size and remove all imperfections. None of the pictures are real. I blame the downfall of online sites on filters. I used to be able to select a decent looking girl from online sites and have a decent hit rate, these days, my hit rate is like 1 in 100. No more online site unseen girls for me.
I've had bad experiences with girls both using bogus pictures, but also lying about their age. Then of course there is bad hygiene; yuck! These days I usually won't meet unless I video chat first, or if not, agree ahead of time on a cancellation fee if "we are not a match. " I don't think losing 100 USD is worth the risk of her running to the hotel desk crying rape, telling her friend or pimp that you robbed her, or anything else along these lines that could lead to way more trouble than it's worth. Even in the end if you make it out unscathed, do you really want to spend the next 5 hours talking to the cops when they might not even speak your language? There's all kinds of shady figures in this lifestyle, and paying a small cancellation fee is nothing compared to full scale blackmail.
I've been surprised both ways. Sometimes they look better in person. One thing you can almost never tell for sure is if they have acne scars. Because even without airbrushing their photos, they can put so much makeup on that it's almost impossible to tell from a picture if they have extensive pockmarks. Then in person you will know, and it gets worse as makeup rubs off during the session.
I think the best thing is to have an "acceptable" threshold. So the bare minimum can be "this isn't what I was hoping for, but it will work. " Anything below that I would just offer a small cancellation fee and get out of there, or get her out of there, as quickly as possible. Because next time they might look better than their pictures. I don't normally do this, but I've taken chances on blurred out faces a couple of times, and been pleasantly surprised. Navigating this world will never be 100% perfect, but try to plan for the best haul possible.
AmericanPi
04-21-24, 16:29
Time for the occasional inventory of red flags for the new and also fully initiated. If you encounter these, just run away.
Girls with model photos.
Girls who say what they offer is to be a great listener and phone / text exchanges.
Girls who have been on multiple years (they're basically sex workers at that point).
Girls who have multiple profiles.
Girls who send nudes or similar right away.
Girls who call you baby, honey, sugar, or similar.
Girls who say "I know my worth".
Girls whose profiles include photos in front of expensive stores or cars.
Girls who have obvious face fillers when they're under 25.
Girls who say they are in some city now, like their profile is phoenix but they say "currently in Miami". These are escorts.
AmericanPi
04-22-24, 14:05
Hi all,
I have a weekend to kill the first weekend of June. I'm from CA but heading east. I can spend the weekend anywhere before I head home. Would love some recommendations on which cities have the most abundant seeking supply.
I have done NYC and it's great. Might do change of pace. Thought Chicago might be good that something is going on that weekend and hotels are north of $800 a night.
What are some amazing Seeking cities in America? Don't want to stop at Cdmx this time.
Mono Sin Luz
04-22-24, 20:53
Hi all,
What are some amazing Seeking cities in America? Don't want to stop at Cdmx this time.I have never done it, just browse from time to time, but maybe check Miami. Depending on your type / taste you may find luck there.
Steve 9696
04-23-24, 19:10
I know we all vary in our ability to engage other strangers. But let me encourage you to do it. This is how I discovered sex in Moscow. Chatted up a guy at a strip club. He took me under his wing, bought hookah, brought girls over and we all piled in his Landrover to go to the club with on-site fucking. Another time when a club shut down late I chatted up a guy who was a professional soccer play and joined his crew to go to the undocumented after party club in a business park. LOL.
Well last night was another one of those times. Be friendly. Break the ice. Go with the flow. Here's how it went down at Globe Club Zurich.
Had an epic night last night. One hottie hit on me right away and off we went to a dark couch area (same couch as Tina). She gave me a 10 minute preview blowjob and then we fucked on a semi curtained bed nearby. Good fun.
But the highlight of the evening was making a new friend. As I was recharging, this 70 year old dude had three girls in his booth. All loving on him and twerking fully naked. Lots of drinks.
So I hit him up when he went to the lockers and asked how he does that. He's says he's a regular and takes A handful of his favorite girls. He says join me up in the Bombay room later.
So I go back to the adjacent booth and ogle his girls when another slim hottie hits me up. She joins me and it's not long before she is blowing me right there on the couch in full view as I drink my Heineken. King of the world.
So Klaus disappears with his girls and I continue to get a great BJ. I figure he's gone to the Bombay room so after a bit I ask my girl if she wants to go and she says sure.
Well old Klaus knows how to bring it. He's lying on his back fully naked (but soft) with the three girls all dancing and twerking, sitting on his face etc. He's delighted I joined and so am I.
My girl gets to BJing again as we watch the girls work on Klaus. They are trying every trick in the book on his dick and I think it's never happening. But sure enough ten minutes later he has a raging boner and gets chick 1 to mount up.
So sexy to watch her fuck him while my girl blows me and strokes my balls. It feels wonderful and the scene is epic. Pussy and tits everywhere. As the night goes on I find that I can grope his girls or get their pussy in my face while I fuck or get sucked by my girl.
Maybe two hours in a third guy arrives. He's also 70+. And he has a favorite in the group who spends a lot of time sucking his dick with her tanned ass and pussy in the air. Nice.
He likes to be caned and whipped so that adds some spice. One girl is the whip girl and the rest of us call out the intensity level and number of strokes. Like 8. Three times. I try it a bit and it's not bad. Does kinda wake up the bod.
Klaus is in his element. He's got coke but not doing it till done fucking. Which is a good call. He fucks all three of his girls at various times. Well really they fuck him. He never leaves his back. But then it's time for coke and shots.
We are sending one of the girls down for shots. I pay a couple rounds. But the coke is all his. He has a glass pane that they put on his belly to cut and snort the lines. I have three lines over the next couple hours a feel absolutely tremendous.
Now of course coke kills your dick. And mine starts going soft in hour 3. My girl is undeterred tho and giving me lovely oily HJ and balls work over the remaining couple hours. Every once in a while I get her to BJ. In retrospect wish I hadn't done the coke but even with a chub the handy and BJ feels great.
We do a lot of dancing and hands on tits and pussy gazing and she's pretty much working my cock softly the whole four hours. What a trooper! LOL.
In the end I can't pull off a shot and we shut er down at 2 AM. But man I had fun. Spent $1600 but don't regret it. Klaus musta easily spent $6 K. Going to reprise tonight but maybe not four hours in the room. LOL.
EuropeanDmv75
04-23-24, 21:17
I matched with a girl recently in Seeking, and it turned out that it was a matchmaking service called UtopiaDate run by a lady named Anna. She sends you a list of Ukrainian girls near your geographical area. You choose the Top 3 girls, and then ask you questions about your sexual preferences, logistics, hobbies, etc. She sends that to the top girls, and they can decide whether to meet with you. I went through the process, and she mentioned that one of the girls was interested and provided more pictures and details. The girls look decent, and their allowance ranges from 250 to 400, which seems good for what you pay in big cities. If you agree to meet, you pay a matchmaking fee (300), and Anna sends all the contact information.
Has anyone had the same experience? I am tempted to give it a chance, but I am worried it is some sort of scam.
Steve 9696 I know we all vary in our ability to engage other strangers. But let me encourage you to do it. This is how I discovered sex in Moscow. Chatted up a guy at a strip club. He took me under his wing, bought hookah, brought girls over and we all piled in his Landrover to go to the club with on-site fucking. Another time when a club shut down late I chatted up a guy who was a professional soccer play and joined his crew to go to the undocumented after party club in a business park. LOL.
Well last night was another one of those times. Be friendly. Break the ice. Go with the flow. Here's how it went down at Globe Club Zurich.
Had an epic night last night. One hottie hit on me right away and off we went to a dark couch area (same couch as Tina). She gave me a 10 minute preview blowjob and then we fucked on a semi curtained bed nearby. Good fun.
Another EPIC field report Steve. Love it.
EuropeanDmv75
04-23-24, 22:59
Paraguay is part of the Mercosur group and so Paraguayans are free to work in any of the Mercosur nations like Brazil and Argentina. Thing is Asuncion is inexpensive and a lot of the younger girls are not gong to venture out to greener pastures right away. So it and Colombia are probably the cheapest two places in the Western world to get laid, but Asuncion is small and boring.
Unlike Colombia though, Paraguay is not easy to get to. You had to have a yellow fever vaccine, pay for a visa, and would pay more for flights, so you are talking about probably a $1000 more to get there than Colombia. If you are willing to camp out there for months, you can get your money back. For a nonstop fuckathon, it would be decent, but the women are not going to be too sophisticated as they probably have never left their home nation. If you find the woman of your dreams there, and you can find the 9-10's there as many Paraguayan women are stunning, what are you going to do? Fly twelve hours to see them? A six hour flight where you meet in the middle?
That said, given how small the population is, I would not rely on seeking. I wish I had been much more forward there than I was. Still, back then, that would have been a sex not sugar daddy desire.
The other place that intrigued me was not Sao Paulo or Rio but Curitiba Brazil. I have been told it is the nicest city in Brazil, well run, founded by European settlers with a lot of blondes. But while the city itself is cheaper, it is hard to get to and you have to pay for a visa so you are looking at hundreds more in expenses. And because you have a smaller population, you are going to have dig deeper and harder than just relying on seeking. And the sex to be had in Sao Paulo is so good I am not sure why you would go to Curitiba. Again, if you find your dream sugar baby, the costs of flights and time to meet are going to be insane.
The same could be said about the Igauzu falls region where there are a lot of beauties. The woman in the Mancora region of Peru IMO were way prettier than the ones in Lima but there are not many of them.
As someone who has ventured into the Colombian country side, I can tell you that there is gold in them thar hills. The cost is not prohibitive but it is the time. Add on three or four hours to whatever your flight time is. Also, the people in the places I am thinking of look are beauties but they look much the same, so an American is going to stick out. It is not going to take long for people to figure out why you are there, and they may not approve. It is much easier to blend in in Bogota than even places like Cartagena or Medellin where there is already a huge backlash against sex tourism.
Practically speaking then, if you looking to hunt for sugar baby diamonds in the rough, Mexican cities off the beaten path like Leon, Puebla, Toluca, and Hermosillo are realistically better. Flying to secondary Mexican cities is cheap financially and time wise in comparison to these other places. Realistically speaking, you can find a SB in those places, but it is going to be a harder hunt than CDMX.I would recommend Buenos Aires in South America. Most of the population is of Spanish, Italian, and German descent, so you have a lot of European-looking girls. You can find good-looking girls for 100-150 USD for the night. And because of the economic situation there, everything is pretty cheap. The only downside is the time it takes to get there and also flights are much more expensive. But if you plan to stay there for a week or longer, it may be worth it. I definitely had a great time.
As for Mexico, if you go to Guadalajara or Monterrey, you will have plenty of girls to choose from and you can definitely score some very nice beauties. Just be careful in Guadalajara because there are a lot of trans women, too (if you are into that, it is fine then). I would also add Queretaro to the list. It is not far from Mexico City and there is a decent number of girls in Seeking there.
FilthyBeaver
04-24-24, 04:07
I was approached by her but didn't partake. The site is good about shutting them down quick. I don't need help finding what I'm looking for on that site, especially not a Slavic, jaded, pro / semi-pro, ice queen.
I would count on the fact it's a scam depending on what your definition of scam is.
I matched with a girl recently in Seeking, and it turned out that it was a matchmaking service called UtopiaDate run by a lady named Anna. She sends you a list of Ukrainian girls near your geographical area. You choose the Top 3 girls, and then ask you questions about your sexual preferences, logistics, hobbies, etc. She sends that to the top girls, and they can decide whether to meet with you. I went through the process, and she mentioned that one of the girls was interested and provided more pictures and details. The girls look decent, and their allowance ranges from 250 to 400, which seems good for what you pay in big cities. If you agree to meet, you pay a matchmaking fee (300), and Anna sends all the contact information.
Has anyone had the same experience? I am tempted to give it a chance, but I am worried it is some sort of scam.
FilthyBeaver
04-24-24, 04:10
Unbelievable. Totally believe you but unbelievable nonetheless.
We do a lot of dancing and hands on tits and pussy gazing and she's pretty much working my cock softly the whole four hours. What a trooper! LOL.
In the end I can't pull off a shot and we shut er down at 2 AM. But man I had fun. Spent $1600 but don't regret it. Klaus musta easily spent $6 K. Going to reprise tonight but maybe not four hours in the room. LOL.
Steve 9696
04-24-24, 08:46
I matched with a girl recently in Seeking, and it turned out that it was a matchmaking service called UtopiaDate run by a lady named Anna. She sends you a list of Ukrainian girls near your geographical area. You choose the Top 3 girls, and then ask you questions about your sexual preferences, logistics, hobbies, etc. She sends that to the top girls, and they can decide whether to meet with you. I went through the process, and she mentioned that one of the girls was interested and provided more pictures and details. The girls look decent, and their allowance ranges from 250 to 400, which seems good for what you pay in big cities. If you agree to meet, you pay a matchmaking fee (300), and Anna sends all the contact information.
Has anyone had the same experience? I am tempted to give it a chance, but I am worried it is some sort of scam.99.9% chance it's a scam. Never money ahead. ESP something sleazy like this misuse of Seeking. You should report the account. It's defnin violation of Seeking policy and a dangerous money suck.
Steve 9696
04-24-24, 11:40
I know it's OT but you guys are my buds so happy to post here. Day two was even more epic with watersports and a banana. Let me know if you want me to drop it here.
AmericanPi
04-24-24, 14:14
I know it's OT but you guys are my buds so happy to post here. Day two was even more epic with watersports and a banana. Let me know if you want me to drop it here.Post! Never listen to the minority of haters who forgot they have the ability to scroll past messages.
John Gault
04-24-24, 14:36
I know it's OT but you guys are my buds so happy to post here. Day two was even more epic with watersports and a banana. Let me know if you want me to drop it here.You are one of the few fellows I that always check out your posts. I would love to hear about the banana and the water sports.
Steve 9696
04-24-24, 16:21
Thanks for the kind words fellas. Glad you enjoy my antics. This is one for the books. Def a top all time experience.
I suppose before I start some background on Globe. Globe is in my opinion the best FKK in the world for a blissful sexual experience. Unlike German FKKs where the girls are independent contractors by law and therefore mega YMMV, girls at Globe are strictly policed. There are no fat girls or grannies. If you put on a few pounds you are booted. Get some bad feedback booted. So the girls are pretty and very service oriented.
Now I am a little spoiled because there are surely plenty of fake tits etc. But Klaus has hand picked his girls and they are fucking fine. And without exception free, open minded and just a fuckton of fun to be around. So here's how last night went down.
So for my second day at Globe I planned to just do a room or two and cap out at $600. Well. The best laid plans dont count for shit. $2500 later I have a big smile on my face. Here's how it went down.
I got there 9 ish I suppose and had forgotten it's public sex day at Globe. Not that you can't have sex publicly any day at Globe but tonight there is a lucky audience member fucking a hottie doggie style on the main circular stage at the center. They went on to BJ and more fucking but at that point I was distracted.
Before I go farther let me note that public BJ is really a feature only in Swiss (non German) clubs. Since 2017 it's illegal to pay for BBBJ in Germany so it has to be all behind closed doors (mostly). But in Globe you can let it all hang out. And I did.
As I arrive I see Klaus with three girls in his booth and a bottle and some killed drinks. I go to say Hi and he pulls me into the fray and says to join him. Not much later, my girl B shows up. Apparently she had just finished the prior sex show. Ah well she still looks amazing.
We snuggle and kiss some as Klaus and his girls party on adjacent. It seems he has some rule about no serious dick work for him in the booth because then the clock starts. So he partied a couple hours pregame with just the naked girls and drinks. He sends them off a few times where they go do some lines and come back happy!
I'm getting a bit of a chub on and throw open my towel for my girl to get hands on. Once again hard dick out and at the ready and B gets hands on. She asks if I want her to suck me and I say sure. She gets her bag and that I think is the clock starting signal, which is fine.
It's so wonderful getting a BJ right there in the club. The girls are all watching appreciatively and giving me doe eyes and distant air kisses as my girl head bobs like a champ.
Klaus timing is a little off as he missed the remainder of Bs and my little show. She has got me hard as a brick and I can feel some build. We get out my Sagami 2. 0 and start fucking first in doggie and then in mish right there on the leather couch with all the girls cooing appreciatively. I think I might pull out and go BJ for the finish, but it's so good I shoot a hot load inside her. Ah. Great way to start the evening.
We clean up a bit and Klaus returns to take the entourage to the Bombay room. He's got his fave girl but the other two are new to our little party. Both very hot. M is new to the club, with amazing natural tits and a wet pussy too, we will soon find out.
Setup is pretty much like last night. Klaus laid out on his back and the girls all adoring him. And me and my girl sucking and fucking right at the end of the bed or adjacent to Klaus. I avoid the coke for a very long time, despite being offered several times, as I am determined to get a second shot tonight. I've taken another Cialis and hopes are high.
I am staying nice and hard and able to fuck be more tonight. We go through two more condoms alternating sucking and fucking. And lots of oily HJ which always feels great. We must go at this 2 ish hours I suppose, in addition to our little couch horizontal dance.
At some point we send B for a round of shots and I suppose I got a little selfish. I'm just dick in hand and Klaus says that M, the new girl, should help me out. She's a real beauty and comes on her knees to me. We are both kneeling but reared up and start making out. She's a great real kisser and better than B or C (upcoming!) in this dept. I feel her pussy w my right hand and it's wet and slippery. Oooh love that.
Shortly, M starts sucking my dick and damn she is good. Much better than be I must say. It feels amazing. I am on my knees buried balls deep in Ms mouth when B returns with the shots! I get a brief death stare, but consummate professional she is, it quickly is replaced by a smile and we rock on.
There is a brief side discussion with Klaus about adding M to my side of the party but he puts it to her to choose and she says she will stay w Klaus. Ok there is more than one way to skin a cat! (Where the fuck did that expression come from and more importantly is there more than one way??)
So B has returned to servicing me 24 x7 and I decide the coke might add to the fun. So we both do a couple lines, knowing it will kill my dick but despair not and read on!
At some point Klaus friend shows. He's the one that likes caning and whips. And apparently more than that! At one point I am being blown and Helmut is on his back on the floor with towels under him and one of the new girls straddled over him. I suddenly realize it's watersports time as she starts peeing on him! He loves it and moves her up to pee in his mouth. OMG what a freak. (But it doesn't stop there.).
I've come to the realization that with coke dick I'm going to need two girls. Either double BJ or BJ and kissing. These are def home runs in the past and so I tell B to find a friend. C shows up a few moments later. She is a very experienced girl used to be Klaus number 1 - but still hot as fuck and with great skills.
I've positioned next to Klaus and my girls are alternating each other BJ and kissing. And while C is BJing I am also working Bs pussy. its wet and fun and I am finally growing a chub again (cocaine is so weird because you can't get hard but it still feels amazing). Cs BJ is amazing and I feel some build but every time that happens Klaus starts talking to her and I lose it. LOL. Ok. His party.
Now it's time for Helmut to get his freak on again. He's ordered two bananas from downstairs. D (Klaus main squeeze) starts suiting the banana up with a condom and new girl 2 (can't recall her name) positions doggie style for insertion. She's got her pussy full facing me and Klaus and goddamn it's a view!
D starts slowly inserting and is very careful but she's only got like 2 inches in and out. Watching that banana slowly disappear inside her wet pussy is a sight to behold! Helmut, you are the man! The receiving girl is saying more more and so D gets 4-5 inches in and fucks her slowly. What a sight. At some point Helmut puts the end of the banana in his mouth and fucks her with his face. Damn that's creative!
Well my two girls keep going on me. When B Bjs I get softer (she doesn't suck hard enough to outdo the cocaine) but when we swap to C on cock I get harder and harder. She's amazing. Twice they think I am going to blow and switch to HJ but it fades then. That's ok. We just need another round. Or two.
Finally at some point we find the magic ticket. Kissing C deeply. B hand on shaft. C hand on balls. This is amazing and I get harder and harder. The build is super slow and I get to the edge twice but lose it and then I feel this super slow final build. I am squirming and squeezing their asses and they know it's coming.
It feels so good I start a bit of cum leaking out but haven't orgasmed fully yet. They say "you are cumming?"and I say yes don't stop. So they keep going and OMG I finally hit full orgasm squirt out a couple nice writhing shots to surprised screams and giggles. Good job girls!
Wow. Didn't think I had it in me esp after the coke. Two girls and Cs great BJ were the trick. So satisfied to get shot two. And it was one of the most epic ever. What a time. I mean it just flew by. Turns out 4. 5 hrs with B (9:30-2) and 1. 5 with C, a couple rounds of shots and credit card markup and here we are at $2500. Oh well. It's only money and I'm not pulling off 4 hours and two shots when I'm eighty!
Good thing I'm leaving Zurich or I'the have to take out a second mortgage! But what a couple nights. Perhaps best ever. And that's saying something. So many thanks to Klaus for sharing his party. It truly would not have been the same without him and Helmut. My two best buds that I didn't know two days ago. LOL.
FilthyBeaver
04-24-24, 16:44
You got off cheap for that experience. I'm way too inhibited to do that but it's nice to know there're major perverts still running around.
Thanks for the kind words fellas. Glad you enjoy my antics. This is one for the books. Def a top all time experience.
I've been thinking about pay for play with American girls on SA but have learned that catfishing is a big problem. Also, after browsing the girls on SA, I realized a lot of girls are not hot. What do you guys think is the best city in America to find reliable and attractive girls?
Thanks for the kind words fellas. Glad you enjoy my antics. This is one for the books. Def a top all time experience. This gentleman is HOW YOU FUCKING PARTY!!
No need to calculate a CPF. Fucking rock out with your cock out. Literally!!
Love it. And one of these days, we need to meet up in Scandello!!
Steve 9696
04-27-24, 16:19
Change of venue. Just dropped a post in the Barcelona thread on Felina. And Luisa. Wow. That girl!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?784-Barcelona&p=2911313#post2911313.
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