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I spend quite a bit of time in the Cabo area where it is quite expensive to hobby. I recently decided to try my luck using SA to see what that brought me. I am quite happy with the result. Once you sort out the SB's and find a local non pro the results are amazing. The rate drops from US prices back to Mexican prices, still higher than other parts of Mexico but much more reasonable. Just thought I would pass this along for anybody thinking of travelling to SJD.Thanks for that report! Would be interesting to know how much the typical allowance was and whether knowledge of Spanish is necessary for SA-game in Cabo?
Steve 9696
12-10-20, 02:42
So I am pretty locked up with Sarah now. With Layla I was always looking. Because her kissing and BJ were mediocre. But Sarah is a wildcat and the kissing, BJ, and passion are off the charts. Plus it's super non transactional. She's brand new so I didn't want to give her cash right after or even day after. I waited two days and CashApped her some college cash. We met up twice this week and I didn't pay per session. I mean honestly I know she’d meet me with no $$ at all. Didn’t give her anything after second time. Then after third go, I waited two days again and sent some college money. It feels nice this way - because I don’t really have to give her $$ but I do cuz I want to. Wow. I think it’s supposed to be like this, but rarely is. And in this case more effective than PPM as we have met three times in the last two weeks.
Anyhow that was not the point of this post! Point is you should engage, particularly with new girls. Because they are going to be gone. Sarah had just joined. Actually I asked her if she knew that "curvy is code for overweight on SA" and her face pic did not look overweight. I mean this is not a strong opening! Was really just sayin. I expected her to not even respond. But instead we got into a dialog. Talking to her later she said she did not even respond to ANY of the guys on SA and I was the only one (and she's not just saying that) and now she's gone from SA.
So that tiny engagement and then text and date game and here we are I'm going steady like In High school! So ENGAGE and with NEW girls if you want to snag a real girl. Good luck!
Also why would a girl get premium membership? Does it mean she is pro?
College students get premium membership for free. It also costs much less for SB. I don't remember everything but I posted some detail here before.
So I am pretty locked up with Sarah now. With Layla I was always looking. Because her kissing and BJ were mediocre. But Sarah is a wildcat and the kissing, BJ, and passion are off the charts. Plus it's super non transactional. She's brand new so I didn't want to give her cash right after or even day after. I waited two days and CashApped her some college cash. We met up twice this week and I didn't pay per session. I mean honestly I know shed meet me with no $$ at all. Didnt give her anything after second time. Then after third go, I waited two days again and sent some college money. It feels nice this way - because I dont really have to give her $$ but I do cuz I want to. Wow. I think its supposed to be like this, but rarely is. And in this case more effective than PPM as we have met three times in the last two weeks.
Anyhow that was not the point of this post! Point is you should engage, particularly with new girls. Because they are going to be gone. Sarah had just joined. Actually I asked her if she knew that "curvy is code for overweight on SA" and her face pic did not look overweight. I mean this is not a strong opening! Was really just sayin. I expected her to not even respond. But instead we got into a dialog. Talking to her later she said she did not even respond to ANY of the guys on SA and I was the only one (and she's not just saying that) and now she's gone from SA.
So that tiny engagement and then text and date game and here we are I'm going steady like In High school! So ENGAGE and with NEW girls if you want to snag a real girl. Good luck!Very nice! You are generous and you met the right girl so she is lucky to have met you too.
Thanks for that report! Would be interesting to know how much the typical allowance was and whether knowledge of Spanish is necessary for SA-game in Cabo?I have had good results without being able to speak Spanish, I just use a translator app. The SB's always start off with a higher price because of the area, Cabo being the most expensive area in all of Mexico. I offer about 2500 pesos, (125 USD) which I think is fair and if they argue I politely tell them that I am moving on. You can get WG here through the online paper for about 1500 pesos but the real pros are about 5000 pesos. Just my experience.
......I waited two days and CashApped her some college cash. We met up twice this week and I didn't pay per session. I mean honestly I know shed meet me with no $$ at all. Didnt give her anything after second time. Then after third go, I waited two days again and sent some college money. It feels nice this way - because I dont really have to give her $$ but I do cuz I want to.Hey Steve,
Are you able to CashApp money anonymously? Are there easy ways to set-up an anonymous cashapp account? Thanks.
DramaFree11
12-10-20, 17:01
Hey Steve,
Are you able to CashApp money anonymously? Are there easy ways to set-up an anonymous cashapp account? Thanks.You guys do not want to use CashApp, for 2 reasons. 1. Very trackable 2. It is a huge Red Flag if you get Audited, you will have a lot of explaining to do. So, that income better be accounted for. Small amounts are OK, but large and consistent monthly amounts can lead to big problems, for both you and the girl.
Steve 9696
12-11-20, 00:35
You guys do not want to use CashApp, for 2 reasons. 1. Very trackable 2. It is a huge Red Flag if you get Audited, you will have a lot of explaining to do. So, that income better be accounted for. Small amounts are OK, but large and consistent monthly amounts can lead to big problems, for both you and the girl.There is no way to set up any money transfer that is anonymous to the bank and / or government. But CashApp is anonymous to the girl. You can also use PayPal but have to set up a business acct to remain anonymous to the girl. Again you can't be anonymous to the app / bank because you have to connect to some source of funds.
I have an acct and debit card that is "safe" for me generally but clearly the govt or institutions could connect the Steve breadcrumbs. Chance I've chosen to take.
Midwestern
12-11-20, 06:03
Bay area was my primary SA hunting grounds for almost two years. It is a lot of work. I was on SA about 15 hours a week. I would send out 20 messages per day, and see if I could get a nibble.
It's a numbers game with the Bay Area. Finding the new members is always best, but there are a lot of guys using SA in the Bay Area too. Some of the hot girls that I met told me that they would get a hundred messages every day. They are obviously exaggerating, but it is still telling.
Sure, you can stretch your search to 50 miles. That's what I did. But meet and greets and dates will eat up a lot of travel time. And the flake and cancellation rate was pretty high, which added to the time wasted. The gals are also playing a numbers game too. So, they might agree to meet you, but if something better comes along, then they cancel.
Going rate was 500 for PPM, which is exactly the going rate for a high quality pro in SF.
You can increase your success rate if are willing to date older gals, like over 30 or even over 40. If I were still in SF, I would probably skip SA and just do the FS AMPS.
I am new to SA and I have checked SA after a while. I am seeing lot more girls on SA compared to last year. I am looking into getting into this SA game.
Any suggestions / pointers on bay area SA? What is the rge typical PPM range in bay area? Is there any one area is better than other area in terms of price / attitude etc. Is ir better to look for girls more than 50 miles away from home?
Also why would a girl get premium membership? Does it mean she is pro?
Thanks.
Sam..
CarloRogue
12-11-20, 16:09
I have had good results without being able to speak Spanish, I just use a translator app. The SB's always start off with a higher price because of the area, Cabo being the most expensive area in all of Mexico. I offer about 2500 pesos, (125 USD) which I think is fair and if they argue I politely tell them that I am moving on. You can get WG here through the online paper for about 1500 pesos but the real pros are about 5000 pesos. Just my experience.Good info. Can you provide some details on your logistics and related recommendations, like where to stay, issues bringing girls into your hotel, and vanilla stuff too (restaurants, things to do)? Would love to hear more. I'm also considering the capital for a visit while most of the rest of the world is shut down to Americans. The CDMX board has good reports on the SA scene down there.
CarloRogue
12-11-20, 16:32
Bay area was my primary SA hunting grounds for almost two years. It is a lot of work. I was on SA about 15 hours a week. I would send out 20 messages per day, and see if I could get a nibble.
It's a numbers game with the Bay Area. Finding the new members is always best, but there are a lot of guys using SA in the Bay Area too. Some of the hot girls that I met told me that they would get a hundred messages every day. They are obviously exaggerating, but it is still telling.
Sure, you can stretch your search to 50 miles. That's what I did. But meet and greets and dates will eat up a lot of travel time. And the flake and cancellation rate was pretty high, which added to the time wasted. The gals are also playing a numbers game too. So, they might agree to meet you, but if something better comes along, then they cancel.
Going rate was 500 for PPM, which is exactly the going rate for a high quality pro in SF.
You can increase your success rate if are willing to date older gals, like over 30 or even over 40. If I were still in SF, I would probably skip SA and just do the FS AMPS..Same here. I don't have nearly the extent of experience in San Fran, but traveled there quite a bit over the last few years and tried pretty hard at the SA game. I can confirm it is a numbers game, and due to the size of the city and traffic, you have to account for logistics. To improve your odds, you should lower your expectations (or raise your budget considerably). If she looks like a dimepiece, she'll either have GPS, be an Instagram fake / flake, or just never see your message in her flooded inbox. And just forget the really hot Asians, no matter how tempting. I had a little success by targeting the 6-7's. I found this formula true of most metro areas, but somehow SF is the worst.
I have updated the table with new entries, thank you all for the additions. To all the silent readers: we know you are there. Please consider telling us about your experiences, the setting and how much it set you back.
EUROPE
Austria
Vienna 300 EUR for the Night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Czech Republic
Prague 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 200 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 150 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2445539&viewfull=1#post2445539).
Germany
Berlin 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 500 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Munich 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?683-Munich&p=1828248&viewfull=1#post1828248).
Netherlands
Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Generally 200 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503694&viewfull=1#post2503694).
Poland
Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Portugal
Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?) 100 - 200 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2499125&viewfull=1#post2499125).
Russia
Moscow 150 - 300 USD, Stunners from above 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
Serbia
Belgrade 50 - 300 EUR - the worst looking on the lower end, playmate class on the high end (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?774-Belgrade&p=2135044&viewfull=1#post2135044).
Spain
Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 200 EUR for standard (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503687&viewfull=1#post2503687).
Ukraine
Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2493582&viewfull=1#post2493582) 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH) (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2497541&viewfull=1#post2497541).
United Kingdom
London 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 350 Sterling (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854).
NORTH AMERICA
United States
Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449909&viewfull=1#post2449909).
Austin 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Boston 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2417099&viewfull=1#post2417099).
Chicago Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Denver 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Detroit 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Houston 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Las Vegas 400 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167) 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2450228&viewfull=1#post2450228).
Miami 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
New York City 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Philadelphia 200 - 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2444165&viewfull=1#post2444165).
Portland 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2413337&viewfull=1#post2413337).
San Antonio 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
San Francisco 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448844&viewfull=1#post2448844) 300 USD for exchange student (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448831&viewfull=1#post2448831).
Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Canada
Montreal 300 CAD (now with revised link, member account of source deleted) (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QaWB7CxlZlwJ:www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144.html%3Fs%3D6cb4edc971ca5ed61f0af1cf65f24f75+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de).
Niagara Falls 250 - 300 CAD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503912&viewfull=1#post2503912).
Mexico
Cabo San Lucas 2500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2510393&viewfull=1#post2510393).
Guadalajara 2000 MXN+ (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?420-Guadalajara&p=2488711&viewfull=1#post2488711).
Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2485508&viewfull=1#post2485508).
Monterrey 3000 - 4500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
SOUTH AMERICA
Brazil
Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768).
Colombia
Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768) 100 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2419466&viewfull=1#post2419466) 200 - 500k COP (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2480746&viewfull=1#post2480746).
Peru
Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448824&viewfull=1#post2448824).
Lima 100 - 150 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?597-Lima&p=2194339&viewfull=1#post2194339).
AFRICA
Egypt
Cairo 2000 - 7000 EGP | note: prices for private escorts in CAI (college aged girls) run between a mere 1,5 k to 2 k for 2 hours which they have to share with a madame, a rate above 3k should be unreasonable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?882-Egypt&p=2301374&viewfull=1#post2301374).
ASIA
India
Note that many of the allowances referenced below might not sound like a lot to us but often exceed an entire monthly salary in India. Based on several opinions in the different threads, there is ample reason to assume that this has turned a lot of non-pros in to pro SBs. Scoring a gem in large metropolitan areas will require considerable effort. The low amount of profiles is also puzzling me. New Delhi (Radius 80 km): 1 k. Mumbai (Radius 80 km): 800.
Bangalore 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607).
Delhi 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2490364&viewfull=1#post2490364) 8.000 - 30.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2491116&viewfull=1#post2491116).
Mumbai 10.000 INR + (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=1901903&viewfull=1#post1901903).
Pune 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499115&viewfull=1#post2499115) 40.000 INR for whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499046&viewfull=1#post2499046).
Japan
Tokyo 300 USD - 90 minutes, likely freelancer (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=1900088&viewfull=1#post1900088).
Singapore
Singapore 500 - 1000 SGD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4020-Seeking-Arrangement&p=2219466&viewfull=1#post2219466).
United Arab Emirates
Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3910-Sugar-Life&p=2381783&viewfull=1#post2381783).
OCEANIA
Australia
Sydney 400 - 500 AUD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-840-p-28.html?).
I have updated the table with new entries, thank you all for the additions. To all the silent readers: we know you are there. Please consider telling us about your experiences, the setting and how much it set you back.Many thanks.
Muchas gracia.
Dante.
Midwestern
12-14-20, 14:24
I have updated the table with new entries, thank you all for the additions. To all the silent readers: we know you are there. Please consider telling us about your experiences, the setting and how much it set you back.
In about a year, when CV19 is behind us, your database is going to be a go-to resource for SA and domestic and international travelers. Thanks for doing this. Love the links to the source. I'm not sure everyone realizes that you can click on your data points to go to your source.
DramaFree11
12-14-20, 16:36
In about a year, when CV19 is behind us, your database is going to be a go-to resource for SA and domestic and international travelers. Thanks for doing this. Love the links to the source. I'm not sure everyone realizes that you can click on your data points to go to your source.I hope you are correct, but even with the vaccine, we are looking at least a year, probably 1.5 years. With additional lockdowns and restrictions going into place, the financial damage will be even worse then the Virus. There are just better ways to be handling the lockdowns, but this is not the place for that discussion.
DramaFree11
12-14-20, 22:52
I real have been pretty lucky with girls being on time, but lately I have had a couple girls show up extremely late, for the first meeting. That is the first strike, then I have absolutely zero tolerance if they of not look like there pictures. If they are super hot then no problem.
Yesterday I had to kick one to the curb, she was not bad looking but she was thick and 90 minutes late. What do you guys think?
The funny part she starts complaining about my Spanish, I reached in my wallet and said your pictures do not match here is Taxi money, Good Bye. If she was on time, I met have met with her for a lower price.
I real have been pretty lucky with girls being on time, but lately I have had a couple girls show up extremely late, for the first meeting. That is the first strike, then I have absolutely zero tolerance if they of not look like there pictures. If they are super hot then no problem.
Yesterday I had to kick one to the curb, she was not bad looking but she was thick and 90 minutes late. What do you guys think?
The funny part she starts complaining about my Spanish, I reached in my wallet and said your pictures do not match here is Taxi money, Good Bye. If she was on time, I met have met with her for a lower price.It is a blessing when an ugly girl shows up late. It gives you an easy out.
Steve 9696
12-15-20, 03:26
I real have been pretty lucky with girls being on time, but lately I have had a couple girls show up extremely late, for the first meeting. That is the first strike, then I have absolutely zero tolerance if they of not look like there pictures. If they are super hot then no problem.
Yesterday I had to kick one to the curb, she was not bad looking but she was thick and 90 minutes late. What do you guys think?
The funny part she starts complaining about my Spanish, I reached in my wallet and said your pictures do not match here is Taxi money, Good Bye. If she was on time, I met have met with her for a lower price.DF I think you are in Mexico or somewhere right now? If you are in Brazil an hour late is considered on time. You kick them to the curb you going to be jacking off a lot. LOL. So hard to ask generically. Depends on the venue — where u hanging these days?
DramaFree11
12-15-20, 05:28
DF I think you are in Mexico or somewhere right now? If you are in Brazil an hour late is considered on time. You kick them to the curb you going to be jacking off a lot. LOL. So hard to ask generically. Depends on the venue where u hanging these days?I am hanging in Mexico, 30 minutes I can deal with, but more then that usually does not fly with me, unless they are very hot.
AmorPorFavor
12-15-20, 07:28
I have updated the table with new entries, thank you all for the additions. To all the silent readers: we know you are there. Please consider telling us about your experiences, the setting and how much it set you back.
EUROPE
Austria
Vienna 300 EUR for the Night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Czech Republic
Prague 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 200 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 150 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2445539&viewfull=1#post2445539).
Germany
Berlin 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 500 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Munich 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?683-Munich&p=1828248&viewfull=1#post1828248).
Netherlands
Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Generally 200 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503694&viewfull=1#post2503694).
Poland
Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Portugal
Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?) 100 - 200 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2499125&viewfull=1#post2499125).
Russia
Moscow 150 - 300 USD, Stunners from above 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
Serbia
Belgrade 50 - 300 EUR - the worst looking on the lower end, playmate class on the high end (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?774-Belgrade&p=2135044&viewfull=1#post2135044).
Spain
Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 200 EUR for standard (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503687&viewfull=1#post2503687).
Ukraine
Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2493582&viewfull=1#post2493582) 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH) (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2497541&viewfull=1#post2497541).
United Kingdom
London 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 350 Sterling (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854).
NORTH AMERICA
United States
Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449909&viewfull=1#post2449909).
Austin 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Boston 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2417099&viewfull=1#post2417099).
Chicago Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Denver 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Detroit 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Houston 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Las Vegas 400 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167) 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2450228&viewfull=1#post2450228).
Miami 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
New York City 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Philadelphia 200 - 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2444165&viewfull=1#post2444165).
Portland 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2413337&viewfull=1#post2413337).
San Antonio 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
San Francisco 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448844&viewfull=1#post2448844) 300 USD for exchange student (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448831&viewfull=1#post2448831).
Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Canada
Montreal 300 CAD (now with revised link, member account of source deleted) (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QaWB7CxlZlwJ:www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144.html%3Fs%3D6cb4edc971ca5ed61f0af1cf65f24f75+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de).
Niagara Falls 250 - 300 CAD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503912&viewfull=1#post2503912).
Mexico
Cabo San Lucas 2500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2510393&viewfull=1#post2510393).
Guadalajara 2000 MXN+ (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?420-Guadalajara&p=2488711&viewfull=1#post2488711).
Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2485508&viewfull=1#post2485508).
Monterrey 3000 - 4500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
SOUTH AMERICA
Brazil
Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768).
Colombia
Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768) 100 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2419466&viewfull=1#post2419466) 200 - 500k COP (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2480746&viewfull=1#post2480746).
Peru
Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448824&viewfull=1#post2448824).
Lima 100 - 150 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?597-Lima&p=2194339&viewfull=1#post2194339).
AFRICA
Egypt
Cairo 2000 - 7000 EGP | note: prices for private escorts in CAI (college aged girls) run between a mere 1,5 k to 2 k for 2 hours which they have to share with a madame, a rate above 3k should be unreasonable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?882-Egypt&p=2301374&viewfull=1#post2301374).
ASIA
India
Note that many of the allowances referenced below might not sound like a lot to us but often exceed an entire monthly salary in India. Based on several opinions in the different threads, there is ample reason to assume that this has turned a lot of non-pros in to pro SBs. Scoring a gem in large metropolitan areas will require considerable effort. The low amount of profiles is also puzzling me. New Delhi (Radius 80 km): 1 k. Mumbai (Radius 80 km): 800.
Bangalore 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607).
Delhi 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2490364&viewfull=1#post2490364) 8.000 - 30.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2491116&viewfull=1#post2491116).
Mumbai 10.000 INR + (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=1901903&viewfull=1#post1901903).
Pune 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499115&viewfull=1#post2499115) 40.000 INR for whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499046&viewfull=1#post2499046).
Japan
Tokyo 300 USD - 90 minutes, likely freelancer (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=1900088&viewfull=1#post1900088).
Singapore
Singapore 500 - 1000 SGD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4020-Seeking-Arrangement&p=2219466&viewfull=1#post2219466).
United Arab Emirates
Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3910-Sugar-Life&p=2381783&viewfull=1#post2381783).
OCEANIA
Australia
Sydney 400 - 500 AUD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-840-p-28.html?).OK you caught me. Bought my first subscription last June. Only met with 3 girls but bagged one of them a few times before the covid blow up scared me off. Took her to my house. She was 24 years old, a solid 9, 10 body 8 face, for $400 in San Diego.
Many thanks.
Muchas gracia.
Dante.
In about a year, when CV19 is behind us, your database is going to be a go-to resource for SA and domestic and international travelers. Thanks for doing this. Love the links to the source. I'm not sure everyone realizes that you can click on your data points to go to your source.You are welcome guys!
OK you caught me. Bought my first subscription last June. Only met with 3 girls but bagged one of them a few times before the covid blow up scared me off. Took her to my house. She was 24 years old, a solid 9, 10 body 8 face, for $400 in San Diego.Thank you for that input. 400 Bucks for a solid 9 in San Diego sounds like a good deal.
DF I think you are in Mexico or somewhere right now? If you are in Brazil an hour late is considered on time. You kick them to the curb you going to be jacking off a lot. LOL. So hard to ask generically. Depends on the venue where u hanging these days?Yep Steve. I kind of chuckle when people get irate like they are dealing with mature, business people on the other end. They seem like they are on business trips and like their tight schedules. (I'm not referencing your comment Drama. There have been some members who have gotten very upset.).
Girls in Latin America are going to to do what they going to do with time.
This is a funny anecdote. I met this pretty morena Roberta in Rio. I arranged for her to come over around noon the day I was departing. She shows up almost three hours late after calling me several times to tell me she is on her way. She arrives and I look at my watch as I have a plane to catch. I can squeeze a session in before departing.
Anyways, as I am finishing my buddies are knocking on the door declaring that our driver has arrived. Roberta looks at me and says she thought I was here another week. Change of plans. I gave her cab fare to get home on top of our agreed upon sum. I always tell girls that I am going to be there for two weeks even if I'm leaving in a few days. That was advice someone here on ISG gave in order to ensure good GFE service.
Hi all my Bangalorean brothers.
My previous account got deactivated. This is bengaBoy (used to be known as 'K t y pea'. Spent most of the times banging in Kolkata specially the spas and SG (Sonagachi) and some ultimate bong indies. Its been 2 years in BLR, and I feel it's quite dry in terms of options and also bit costly. After a long thought, I decided to have some expedition in Bangalore. Though I had wonderful fucks in Bang with afros, indies (specially picking up from pubs). I mostly like girls in a very heavier side with thunder thighs and massive 'bums'. Tried MPs' in Kolkata and was quite wild. Hope I will be lucky enough to get help from other senior members in Bangalore during this initial encounters and I will continue to help my other monger brothers too. Going to activate my PM Soon. I would just say, may be it's a new beginning. Back in ISG after a span of 4 years. Thanks to all. Support this brother in banging with bangs!
Great that you shared this. This post is a ready reckoner for global mongers. My two cents about Indian girls:
You're right about the price range, they just jack up once they are on SA platform.
Cheers!
I have updated the table with new entries, thank you all for the additions. To all the silent readers: we know you are there. Please consider telling us about your experiences, the setting and how much it set you back.
EUROPE
Austria
Vienna 300 EUR for the Night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Czech Republic
Prague 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 200 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 150 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2445539&viewfull=1#post2445539).
Germany
Berlin 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 500 EUR for the night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952).
Munich 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?683-Munich&p=1828248&viewfull=1#post1828248).
Netherlands
Amsterdam 200 EUR for a couple of hours. 300 for a whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Generally 200 - 300 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503694&viewfull=1#post2503694).
Poland
Warsaw 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Portugal
Lisbon 150 - 200 EUR for a couple of hours to a whole night, depending on girl (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?) 100 - 200 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2499125&viewfull=1#post2499125).
Russia
Moscow 150 - 300 USD, Stunners from above 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
Serbia
Belgrade 50 - 300 EUR - the worst looking on the lower end, playmate class on the high end (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?774-Belgrade&p=2135044&viewfull=1#post2135044).
Spain
Barcelona Full weekend: 300 EUR. Generally 200 - 500 EUR for a weekend. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449952&viewfull=1#post2449952) 200 EUR for standard (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503687&viewfull=1#post2503687).
Ukraine
Kiev 250 USD, disputed, several data points lower than that (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2493582&viewfull=1#post2493582) 140 - 180 USD (4000-5000 UAH) (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2497541&viewfull=1#post2497541).
United Kingdom
London 300 - 350 EUR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118) 350 Sterling (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2411854&viewfull=1#post2411854).
NORTH AMERICA
United States
Atlanta 200 - 350 USD for a solid 6 to 8 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449909&viewfull=1#post2449909).
Austin 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Boston 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2417099&viewfull=1#post2417099).
Chicago Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Denver 200 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491118&viewfull=1#post2491118).
Detroit 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Houston 400 - 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
Jacksonville (FL) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Las Vegas 400 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
LOS Angeles 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167) 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2450228&viewfull=1#post2450228).
Miami 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Milwaukee Under 300 USD is doable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144-p-5.html?).
Nashville 200 USD second tier. 300 first tier. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
New York City 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 400 USD second tier, 500 USD first tier (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449167&viewfull=1#post2449167).
Philadelphia 200 - 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2444165&viewfull=1#post2444165).
Portland 300 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2413337&viewfull=1#post2413337).
San Antonio 300 - 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2438062&viewfull=1#post2438062).
San Francisco 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2491132&viewfull=1#post2491132) 500 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448844&viewfull=1#post2448844) 300 USD for exchange student (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448831&viewfull=1#post2448831).
Savannah (GA) 150 - 200 USD for a 6/7. 200 - 250 USD for a 7/8 college aged. 400 USD solid 9 (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2449459&viewfull=1#post2449459).
Canada
Montreal 300 CAD (now with revised link, member account of source deleted) (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QaWB7CxlZlwJ:www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-4144.html%3Fs%3D6cb4edc971ca5ed61f0af1cf65f24f75+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=de).
Niagara Falls 250 - 300 CAD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503912&viewfull=1#post2503912).
Mexico
Cabo San Lucas 2500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2510393&viewfull=1#post2510393).
Guadalajara 2000 MXN+ (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?420-Guadalajara&p=2488711&viewfull=1#post2488711).
Mexico City 1500 - 3000 MXN, possibly 4000 MXN for high-end. (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2485508&viewfull=1#post2485508).
Monterrey 3000 - 4500 MXN (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2503849&viewfull=1#post2503849).
SOUTH AMERICA
Brazil
Sao Paulo 800 Rs for model quality (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768).
Colombia
Medellin 7-8 girl 100 USD todo la noche, 8.5 - 9 girl 100 - 200 USD all day (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448768&viewfull=1#post2448768) 100 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2419466&viewfull=1#post2419466) 200 - 500k COP (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2480746&viewfull=1#post2480746).
Peru
Cusco 100 USD for whole weekend (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448824&viewfull=1#post2448824).
Lima 100 - 150 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?597-Lima&p=2194339&viewfull=1#post2194339).
AFRICA
Egypt
Cairo 2000 - 7000 EGP | note: prices for private escorts in CAI (college aged girls) run between a mere 1,5 k to 2 k for 2 hours which they have to share with a madame, a rate above 3k should be unreasonable (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?882-Egypt&p=2301374&viewfull=1#post2301374).
ASIA
India
Note that many of the allowances referenced below might not sound like a lot to us but often exceed an entire monthly salary in India. Based on several opinions in the different threads, there is ample reason to assume that this has turned a lot of non-pros in to pro SBs. Scoring a gem in large metropolitan areas will require considerable effort. The low amount of profiles is also puzzling me. New Delhi (Radius 80 km): 1 k. Mumbai (Radius 80 km): 800.
Bangalore 350 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607).
Delhi 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2490364&viewfull=1#post2490364) 8.000 - 30.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?959-New-Delhi&p=2491116&viewfull=1#post2491116).
Mumbai 10.000 INR + (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=1901903&viewfull=1#post1901903).
Pune 15.000 INR (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499115&viewfull=1#post2499115) 40.000 INR for whole night (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?954-Bombay-Mumbai&p=2499046&viewfull=1#post2499046).
Japan
Tokyo 300 USD - 90 minutes, likely freelancer (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=1900088&viewfull=1#post1900088).
Singapore
Singapore 500 - 1000 SGD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4020-Seeking-Arrangement&p=2219466&viewfull=1#post2219466).
United Arab Emirates
Dubai Depending on Tier: 400 - 800 USD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3910-Sugar-Life&p=2381783&viewfull=1#post2381783).
OCEANIA
Australia
Sydney 400 - 500 AUD (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/archive/index.php/t-840-p-28.html?).
AmorPorFavor
12-15-20, 19:08
You are welcome guys!
Thank you for that input. 400 Bucks for a solid 9 in San Diego sounds like a good deal.It was a good deal considering no travel allowed. I was very happy with her. She had an incredible body but I was scheduled for knee surgery and couldn't risk catching Covid and having it cancelled. It was already delayed 3 months because of the shut down of "elective" surgery. The youngsters in town were running around like nothing was wrong all summer and I couldn't for sure know what she was up to the rest of the time even though she said she wasn't going out much. After I get vaccinated I'm going to get back on SA.
DramaFree11
12-15-20, 19:55
Tuesday I had meeting with new girl from SA after the disaster of Monday. She show up a little short, but very cute and super nice. We go grab coffee, very nice conversation. 20 minutes she goes are you ready to start the arrangement. I say Hell! She looked better with her clothes off. Unbelievable session including 2 sessions of Anal. I am back in the Game!
She will definitely be a regular moving forward. I love MTY and SA. This would never happen in the states, Europe and parts of Latin America possible.
Steve 9696
12-16-20, 00:08
There is a thread called Sugar Life that is mostly UAE I think. Anyhow there is an epic story in there. Starts at post 825 here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3910-Sugar-Life&p=2499590&viewfull=1#post2499590.
It's pretty amazing with two girls, a client, private chef, renting Maserati's and a boat. With a Russian and Ukrainian for sex on demand. Super epic read.
Great that you shared this. This post is a ready reckoner for global mongers. My two cents about Indian girls:
You're right about the price range, they just jack up once they are on SA platform.
Cheers!You have made a quite substantial post some time ago about several of your encounters with SA girls (click (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607). If you still recall the allowances, would be commendable if you could tell a bit more about what you paid (Hyderabad, Delhi, Prague, Barcelona).
As far as India is concerned, I have been only to Delhi so far and utilised the services of an overpriced MP with girls that were 6 at best. It almost drove tears into my eyes seeing what was actually walking around in Delhi when roaming through the malls of Vasant Kunj. I am looking to go back soon and use SA this time, but I am more than unwilling to pay more than 10 k INR there. Lets see how that goes. If the numbers of profiles on SA increase, the situation with the allowances should improve. However, the mongerers' willingness to overpay seems to be a general problem in India with SA. Can't blame the girls who simply make use of that.
It was a good deal considering no travel allowed. I was very happy with her. She had an incredible body but I was scheduled for knee surgery and couldn't risk catching Covid and having it cancelled. It was already delayed 3 months because of the shut down of "elective" surgery. The youngsters in town were running around like nothing was wrong all summer and I couldn't for sure know what she was up to the rest of the time even though she said she wasn't going out much. After I get vaccinated I'm going to get back on SA.Looking around the profiles in the SD area, that city seems to be blessed with solid 8's and 9's.
Tuesday I had meeting with new girl from SA after the disaster of Monday. She show up a little short, but very cute and super nice. We go grab coffee, very nice conversation. 20 minutes she goes are you ready to start the arrangement. I say Hell! She looked better with her clothes off. Unbelievable session including 2 sessions of Anal. I am back in the Game!
She will definitely be a regular moving forward. I love MTY and SA. This would never happen in the states, Europe and parts of Latin America possible.This would definitely not happen outside Latin America, well done! I was looking into the possibility of a small mongering vacation in the Americas, specifically Brazil and Mexico. Based on what you guys are saying, Mexico seems to be an awesome destination for that. Girls' attitudes are great and side-costs low.
I always tell girls that I am going to be there for two weeks even if I'm leaving in a few days. That was advice someone here on ISG gave in order to ensure good GFE service.That is absolutely sound advice. The prospect of repetition not only increases the quality of service, it will decrease the allowance too and improve punctuality.
There is a thread called Sugar Life that is mostly UAE I think. Anyhow there is an epic story in there. Starts at post 825 here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3910-Sugar-Life&p=2499590&viewfull=1#post2499590.
It's pretty amazing with two girls, a client, private chef, renting Maserati's and a boat. With a Russian and Ukrainian for sex on demand. Super epic read.Just read the entire thing. Absolutely hilarious!
DramaFree11
12-16-20, 04:51
You have made a quite substantial post some time ago about several of your encounters with SA girls (click (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607). If you still recall the allowances, would be commendable if you could tell a bit more about what you paid (Hyderabad, Delhi, Prague, Barcelona).
As far as India is concerned, I have been only to Delhi so far and utilised the services of an overpriced MP with girls that were 6 at best. It almost drove tears into my eyes seeing what was actually walking around in Delhi when roaming through the malls of Vasant Kunj. I am looking to go back soon and use SA this time, but I am more than unwilling to pay more than 10 k INR there. Lets see how that goes. If the numbers of profiles on SA increase, the situation with the allowances should improve. However, the mongerers' willingness to overpay seems to be a general problem in India with SA. Can't blame the girls who simply make use of that.
Looking around the profiles in the SD area, that city seems to be blessed with solid 8's and 9's.
This would definitely not happen outside Latin America, well done! I was looking into the possibility of a small mongering vacation in the Americas, specifically Brazil and Mexico. Based on what you guys are saying, Mexico seems to be an awesome destination for that. Girls' attitudes are great and side-costs low.
That is absolutely sound advice. The prospect of repetition not only increases the quality of service, it will decrease the allowance too and improve punctuality.
Just read the entire thing. Absolutely hilarious!Rio is a major let down to me. I do not know about the other cities in Brazil, probably a little better. Brazil made Columbia look good. I think both places are terrible, and way overrated.
Midwestern
12-16-20, 07:14
Y I always tell girls that I am going to be there for two weeks even if I'm leaving in a few days. That was advice someone here on ISG gave in order to ensure good GFE service.Yep, me too. If we are meeting at my hotel, I always tell them that I am staying longer than I really am. But if we are meeting outside, I tell them that I live there, LOL!!
Elvis 2008
12-16-20, 15:11
Rio is a major let down to me. I do not know about the other cities in Brazil, probably a little better. Brazil made Columbia look good. I think both places are terrible, and way overrated.DF,
You have to hang with me in Bogota. It will be the time of your life. Also, Sao Paulo blows Rio away. I was really disappointed with Rio.
DF,
You have to hang with me in Bogota. It will be the time of your life. Also, Sao Paulo blows Rio away. I was really disappointed with Rio.Do you by any chance know whether the allowance mentioned in our table for SP is accurate?
Do you guys think someone who is 25-30 in SA looking for a SB will be seen as weird? LOL.
Steve 9696
12-17-20, 01:15
Do you by any chance know whether the allowance mentioned in our table for SP is accurate?I've found a super strong correlation between escort 1 HR prices and SB evening of fun. In SP pre-Covid I could easily score a top semi-pro girl for 400-500R. And prices have come down since. I'd be amazed if you can't get a great SB in Sao Paulo for 400 R ($USD80!) Of course really the thing to do in SP is the Boate. I just can't do SB in SP because the Boates are so awesome.
I've found a super strong correlation between escort 1 HR prices and SB evening of fun. In SP pre-Covid I could easily score a top semi-pro girl for 400-500R. And prices have come down since. I'd be amazed if you can't get a great SB in Sao Paulo for 400 R ($USD80!) Of course really the thing to do in SP is the Boate. I just can't do SB in SP because the Boates are so awesome.I got quote of 800 R for several hours. I did not make the trip due to the pandemic.
Midwestern
12-17-20, 05:10
Do you guys think someone who is 25-30 in SA looking for a SB will be seen as weird? LOL.If you are under 30, I might add 10 years to your age. These gals go onto SA specifically to meet older rich guys. I've been told by some SBs that the younger guys on the site are aZZholes, and now they screen out younger guys. But this was for the SF market, where a some of the young guys were rich nerds that gotten beaten up in HS and are now taking it out on SBs. Yeah, huge generalization, I know.
BTW, if you are under 30, then why not just use Tinder and get laid for free? If it's an issue with showing your face, well, for most non-pros, they want to see what you look like before the meetup, generally speaking. So, not sure why you'd use SA instead of Tinder. At my age, I cannot easily score a young hottie on Tinder. But I can score them on SA.
I've found a super strong correlation between escort 1 HR prices and SB evening of fun. In SP pre-Covid I could easily score a top semi-pro girl for 400-500R. And prices have come down since. I'd be amazed if you can't get a great SB in Sao Paulo for 400 R ($USD80!) Of course really the thing to do in SP is the Boate. I just can't do SB in SP because the Boates are so awesome.
I got quote of 800 R for several hours. I did not make the trip due to the pandemic.Its good to know that 800 is on the higher end and gives room for negotiation: 400-500 Rs sounds like a dream come true and an invitation to fill two weeks with daily pleasures LOL. I had originally thought that 800 might be on the lower end, but that was likely due to the fact that what is on offer in the SP area, is absolute eye-candy.
If you are under 30, I might add 10 years to your age. These gals go onto SA specifically to meet older rich guys. I've been told by some SBs that the younger guys on the site are aZZholes, and now they screen out younger guys. But this was for the SF market, where a some of the young guys were rich nerds that gotten beaten up in HS and are now taking it out on SBs. Yeah, huge generalization, I know.
BTW, if you are under 30, then why not just use Tinder and get laid for free? If it's an issue with showing your face, well, for most non-pros, they want to see what you look like before the meetup, generally speaking. So, not sure why you'd use SA instead of Tinder. At my age, I cannot easily score a young hottie on Tinder. But I can score them on SA.Tinder? Well they either fat, ugly or real fat in there I won't do it even if she begged me LOL. But I mainly search outside of US like Brazil etc. Some good lookers in Florida though.
Do you guys think someone who is 25-30 in SA looking for a SB will be seen as weird? LOL.That's an interesting question. I'm sure some girls would be skittish that it was too close to hooking. With the SB / SD relationship, there is the veneer of mentoring and taking care of the young woman.
I'm sure other girls would take you up on it. If you are a good digital communicator and fun, it would be no problem for many girls.
I'd advise you to go to Sao Paulo and go to the clubs that cater to men and female escorts. When I was young, many Brazilian escorts were very happy to party and have fun with a guy not much older than them. If you strike a connection, they will stay overnight and hang with you the next day. Of course money is underneath the surface, but these girls will make you feel like a boyfriend and fuck your brains out.
Steve here is very active on the Sao Paulo forum here and he has made some great connections in Brazil. That's why Steve commented that there's no reason to spend time searching for sugar babies in Sao Paulo.
I also know for me traveling overseas when I was young made me more confident with women. I got laid so much on overseas trips. It was like attractive women had no special hold over me.
Steve 9696
12-17-20, 15:39
Tinder? Well they either fat, ugly or real fat in there I won't do it even if she begged me LOL. But I mainly search outside of US like Brazil etc. Some good lookers in Florida though.Have to go with Nuupter on this. 95% of Tinder girls in my area are fat or ugly or both. The 5% good looking are just marketing their insta or snap or onlyfans or looking to scam you. Total ghost town for good looking real girls.
DramaFree11
12-17-20, 15:54
DF,
You have to hang with me in Bogota. It will be the time of your life. Also, Sao Paulo blows Rio away. I was really disappointed with Rio.Sounds like a plan. I did spend a little time in Bogota. I liked it much better the MTE. I also kind of want to go to Sao Paulo. 2021, when the virus is behind us we can plan a trip. Take care.
If you are under 30, I might add 10 years to your age. These gals go onto SA specifically to meet older rich guys. I've been told by some SBs that the younger guys on the site are aZZholes, and now they screen out younger guys. But this was for the SF market, where a some of the young guys were rich nerds that gotten beaten up in HS and are now taking it out on SBs. Yeah, huge generalization, I know.
BTW, if you are under 30, then why not just use Tinder and get laid for free? If it's an issue with showing your face, well, for most non-pros, they want to see what you look like before the meetup, generally speaking. So, not sure why you'd use SA instead of Tinder. At my age, I cannot easily score a young hottie on Tinder. But I can score them on SA.Would be a nice revenge for those nerds that was bullied by these girls they can't get, and now these nerds are richer than them and can afford them LOL. Nice turn of karma right there. Ha.
That's an interesting question. I'm sure some girls would be skittish that it was too close to hooking. With the SB / SD relationship, there is the veneer of mentoring and taking care of the young woman.
I'm sure other girls would take you up on it. If you are a good digital communicator and fun, it would be no problem for many girls.
I'd advise you to go to Sao Paulo and go to the clubs that cater to men and female escorts. When I was young, many Brazilian escorts were very happy to party and have fun with a guy not much older than them. If you strike a connection, they will stay overnight and hang with you the next day. Of course money is underneath the surface, but these girls will make you feel like a boyfriend and fuck your brains out.
Steve here is very active on the Sao Paulo forum here and he has made some great connections in Brazil. That's why Steve commented that there's no reason to spend time searching for sugar babies in Sao Paulo.
I also know for me traveling overseas when I was young made me more confident with women. I got laid so much on overseas trips. It was like attractive women had no special hold over me.Yeah, I might just end up going to clubs, Just wanted to see if I can get to know and befriend some normal girls, as from their descriptions, many just wants to make friends, FWB etc, and make connections.
Elvis 2008
12-18-20, 03:44
Sounds like a plan. I did spend a little time in Bogota. I liked it much better the MTE. I also kind of want to go to Sao Paulo. 2021, when the virus is behind us we can plan a trip. Take care.These are the three that I had seeking dates with when I was in Bogota. I met up with Don Carlos and he had been able to spend more time there than I had and he did even better.
Anyway, two of the three dates were home runs. I might call up the other girl if I return and see if she is up for some BCD fun. I think she wanted me to pursue her harder, and I might just do that.
Elvis 2008
12-18-20, 03:50
MTY and to a lesser degree GDL have gotten crazy good. I am seeing quality like I have not seen in MTY before, and I should be headed there the first week of January.
I met a Mexican lawyer on seeking. IMO she is a 10 and we met in Puerto Vallarta. I had points with a hotel and air fares from where I am were cheap and of course in Mexico is cheap too. You do not have the white sand and blue water of Cancun or Cozumel, but the surrounding scenery was gorgeous and the temperatures were great.
To me the best part of seeking is not having to pay crazy amounts to have a few day vacation with a girl. Even though I am like 30 years older than this woman, she is tall, looks mature, and showed the world she was crazy about me. I do not think she is the prettiest SB I have been with but I think she may be the one who gets the most stares.
DramaFree11
12-18-20, 16:33
MTY and to a lesser degree GDL have gotten crazy good. I am seeing quality like I have not seen in MTY before, and I should be headed there the first week of January.
I met a Mexican lawyer on seeking. IMO she is a 10 and we met in Puerto Vallarta. I had points with a hotel and air fares from where I am were cheap and of course in Mexico is cheap too. You do not have the white sand and blue water of Cancun or Cozumel, but the surrounding scenery was gorgeous and the temperatures were great.
To me the best part of seeking is not having to pay crazy amounts to have a few day vacation with a girl. Even though I am like 30 years older than this woman, she is tall, looks mature, and showed the world she was crazy about me. I do not think she is the prettiest SB I have been with but I think she may be the one who gets the most stares.I liked GDL, but I had trouble meeting High Quality girls, and the food was so good, maybe even better then Tijuana. But the Higher end girls were not available then. I am sure with the lockdowns it is a little better now. I also know a couple of girls that traveled to GDL because the Strip Clubs are open there.
MTY is out of control at the moment. Most girls can speak English, well Educated, Super Cute, and dress appropriately. I am hanging out in San Pedro, I do not want to give the impression that you can go High quality girls in central MTY, I do not think it will happen. I also I am paying between $150-200, but that is for all night or several hours. Time is usually not an issue in Mexico, like the states.
India is the trickiest place for SA mongering. Delhi has the best collection within India. I'm not sure if 10 K INR could get you something nice but it could. May be a 20% chance. 15 k to 25 k inr could definitely get you a decent bird. People who don't know the value of money just throw crazy money on girls. Can't help it. We are discussing this here coz we value our money...
You have made a quite substantial post some time ago about several of your encounters with SA girls (click (http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2448607&viewfull=1#post2448607). If you still recall the allowances, would be commendable if you could tell a bit more about what you paid (Hyderabad, Delhi, Prague, Barcelona).
As far as India is concerned, I have been only to Delhi so far and utilised the services of an overpriced MP with girls that were 6 at best. It almost drove tears into my eyes seeing what was actually walking around in Delhi when roaming through the malls of Vasant Kunj. I am looking to go back soon and use SA this time, but I am more than unwilling to pay more than 10 k INR there. Lets see how that goes. If the numbers of profiles on SA increase, the situation with the allowances should improve. However, the mongerers' willingness to overpay seems to be a general problem in India with SA. Can't blame the girls who simply make use of that.
Looking around the profiles in the SD area, that city seems to be blessed with solid 8's and 9's.
This would definitely not happen outside Latin America, well done! I was looking into the possibility of a small mongering vacation in the Americas, specifically Brazil and Mexico. Based on what you guys are saying, Mexico seems to be an awesome destination for that. Girls' attitudes are great and side-costs low.
That is absolutely sound advice. The prospect of repetition not only increases the quality of service, it will decrease the allowance too and improve punctuality.
Just read the entire thing. Absolutely hilarious!
CarloRogue
12-18-20, 17:34
Anybody have any recommendations for last minute travel over NYE? For Americans, there are not many options, but Mexico is open to flights and has a fairly vibrant SA scene from various posters. Cabo and CDMX seem to be particularly attractive. Would like to hear from the experienced SA travelers out there.
Elvis 2008
12-18-20, 20:06
Anybody have any recommendations for last minute travel over NYE? For Americans, there are not many options, but Mexico is open to flights and has a fairly vibrant SA scene from various posters. Cabo and CDMX seem to be particularly attractive. Would like to hear from the experienced SA travelers out there.Carlo,
Everything I have read about Cabo is that it sucks hobby wise. Cabo has 80,000 people. CDMX metro area has 21 million.
Because IMO of its proximity to the USA sex prison, I found that higher end choices were 50 to 100% more in Monterrey than in CDMX and that was true with seeking and with hookers, but the quality looks and performance wise was better in CDMX than Monterrey. With Guadalajara, I was blown off by seeking girls and had no luck there but that was in a preCovid world. The hooker talent was as good as CDMX but at about half the price.
To me, the big plus with Monterrey is how close it is. You can get there with an easy six to nine hour bus ride from almost every major Texas city or a cheap flight. It is beautiful and modern, however you see USA attitudes with Mexican women.
There are only a handful of American cities I would choose to live in over CDMX. I am stunned not everyone is talking about how great the city is, however you have to be able to stomach the traffic, altitude, and pollution. If you can, it is phenomenal. I did not have the success in CDMX until Covid hit. Then my first trip post Covid netted me four 10's. All but one of these women have been snapped up so the hottest women do not stay on the site for long, so you have to move fast.
If you cannot handle the altitude or pollution, Guadalajara is your best bet. I love the weather there and I saw so many hotties but for some reason these hot women were not seen on the escort sites. Maybe in a Covid world some are now available. Puerto Vallarta is a 4 hour bus ride away so if you do find a hottie, going to the beach with them is an easy ride.
With the Cancun area, do not bother with the hobby. Outside of casas set up for locals, you are looking at US prices for pussy. I always brought a woman from CDMX to go to Cancun.
If you are flexible, check on the Covid status. Mexico seems to shut down entire cities for weeks at a time anytime the Covid numbers go up.
DramaFree11
12-20-20, 00:25
Carlo,
Everything I have read about Cabo is that it sucks hobby wise. Cabo has 80,000 people. CDMX metro area has 21 million.
Because IMO of its proximity to the USA sex prison, I found that higher end choices were 50 to 100% more in Monterrey than in CDMX and that was true with seeking and with hookers, but the quality looks and performance wise was better in CDMX than Monterrey. With Guadalajara, I was blown off by seeking girls and had no luck there but that was in a preCovid world. The hooker talent was as good as CDMX but at about half the price.
To me, the big plus with Monterrey is how close it is. You can get there with an easy six to nine hour bus ride from almost every major Texas city or a cheap flight. It is beautiful and modern, however you see USA attitudes with Mexican women.Awesome report. I agree 100%.
For me here is my list for SA.
1. MTY.
2. Tijuana / CDMC a tie.
3. GDL, I love GDL, but only if I have a girlfriend there or for a weekend. If you are into 5'/6's it is good place. Food and people are great. Strip bars are cool, but very expensive. It was very difficult for me to meet Higher End girls as well. I thought it would have been much easier, but I had problems with finding girls 6's above that wanted to meet. The weird part was at the time I was meeting a lot of hot girls in Tijuana from GDL, but when I lived there it was very different. Also, some of the girls have a lot of same qualities of the girls I met in MDE, (lazy, jealous and uneducated) GDL is much better, for all other aspects of life then MDE. You probably get more 7/8's in MDE honestly.
CarloRogue
12-20-20, 05:26
Carlo,
Everything I have read about Cabo is that it sucks hobby wise. Cabo has 80,000 people. CDMX metro area has 21 million.
Because IMO of its proximity to the USA sex prison, I found that higher end choices were 50 to 100% more in Monterrey than in CDMX and that was true with seeking and with hookers, but the quality looks and performance wise was better in CDMX than Monterrey. With Guadalajara, I was blown off by seeking girls and had no luck there but that was in a preCovid world. The hooker talent was as good as CDMX but at about half the price.
To me, the big plus with Monterrey is how close it is. You can get there with an easy six to nine hour bus ride from almost every major Texas city or a cheap flight. It is beautiful and modern, however you see USA attitudes with Mexican women.
There are only a handful of American cities I would choose to live in over CDMX. I am stunned not everyone is talking about how great the city is, however you have to be able to stomach the traffic, altitude, and pollution. If you can, it is phenomenal. I did not have the success in CDMX until Covid hit. Then my first trip post Covid netted me four 10's. All but one of these women have been snapped up so the hottest women do not stay on the site for long, so you have to move fast..You've got me sold on CDMX. I've been reading the boards here for a while and between the SA scene, albercadas, and Mexican porn stars on twitter, this city is high on my bucket list, and hopefully a repeat destination. Any recommendations for new year's eve, or around that weekend? I'm pretty savvy with SA already, but love the group scene and really want to try some parties. Also, any high-end hotels that are solidly girl friendly? I like to be near the sights and best restaurant districts, and happy to spend for convenience and luxury. Someone mentioned the W hotel presidential suite, which sounds like a fun splurge.
Elvis 2008
12-20-20, 23:05
Awesome report. The weird part was at the time I was meeting a lot of hot girls in Tijuana from GDL, but when I lived there it was very different. LOL. DF, I noticed the same shit. When I went to Tijuana and Hong Kong, I met a 9 there from GDL, best woman I met at HK, and I never saw anyone near her looks wise close to her.
Also, any high-end hotels that are solidly girl friendly? I like to be near the sights and best restaurant districts, and happy to spend for convenience and luxury. Someone mentioned the W hotel presidential suite, which sounds like a fun splurge.The top chic area in CDMX is Polanco. Two and three are Condesa and Roma. FWIW, Roma is probably my favorite. Fourth is probably Reforma. So you should look at Polanco.
With hotels, it used to be that they were all guest friendly but I am not sure you can make any definite plans in a Covid world. Shit, I used to have the concierge deliver the hookers to my room, got to love Mexico!!
There is a sex hotel named Hotel Patriotismo in Polanco, and no woman will refuse to come there, and I doubt you will have any problems with visitors. It is actually a good place to party. I had a nice suite with a stripper pole in it. You can book a room there on booking.com or kayak. I liked it so much that I would stay there as a regular hotel even without the sex.
For food, watch somebody feed Phil on Netflix when he goes to CDMX. Of all the places he went and I did, my favorite was Panderia Rosetta (bakery) in Roma. Do you know how good the fucking baked goods are there? I bought a half dozen items to bring back to the USA and I ate them all myself. I could not resist. I try not to go there every day for breakfast but I cannot help myself. There is a lovely park near by. I bought a baguette, ate that and other things and fed the birds my shared bread, really nice time.
As for hookers, Raven Lawson performs like a 10 and if you look on Twitter, there are two Venezuelan hard bodies that IMO have 10 bodies.
For seeking women, ScorpyK is a Colombian 10 in CDMX but high $$$ and speaks English. I never got a sample with her but if you are willing to pay big $$, she will satisfy you looks wise. https://www.seeking.com/member/71d6e243-e635-4cb2-8296-269025f7dc7c.
Vaneru is as sweet as can be and gives great head. Looks wise, I would call her an 8 but she works out and is really toned: https://www.seeking.com/member/1166a760-5aaa-4699-a775-3d22351bac88.
There was a little one named Fit and Hot Girl on seeking but I do not see her profile. She fucked the shit out of me then blew me off for 2 days when I returned. She is a sexual dynamo when she is in the mood.
I will say though with CDMX always have a plan be because the flake factor is high.
And finally, my favorite hotel in CDMX is Fiesta Americana aeropuerto. It is brand new, food is great, and the bottom elevator opens up into a mall so you will have no problem getting women in and out. The only downside is that you are far from the action.
You are going to have a great time!
DramaFree11
12-21-20, 21:06
LOL. DF, I noticed the same shit. When I went to Tijuana and Hong Kong, I met a 9 there from GDL, best woman I met at HK, and I never saw anyone near her looks wise close to her.
The top chic area in CDMX is Polanco. Two and three are Condesa and Roma. FWIW, Roma is probably my favorite. Fourth is probably Reforma. So you should look at Polanco.
With hotels, it used to be that they were all guest friendly but I am not sure you can make any definite plans in a Covid world. Shit, I used to have the concierge deliver the hookers to my room, got to love Mexico!!
There is a sex hotel named Hotel Patriotismo in Polanco, and no woman will refuse to come there, and I doubt you will have any problems with visitors. It is actually a good place to party. I had a nice suite with a stripper pole in it. You can book a room there on booking.com or kayak. I liked it so much that I would stay there as a regular hotel even without the sex.
For food, watch somebody feed Phil on Netflix when he goes to CDMX. Of all the places he went and I did, my favorite was Panderia Rosetta (bakery) in Roma. Do you know how good the fucking baked goods are there? I bought a half dozen items to bring back to the USA and I ate them all myself. I could not resist. I try not to go there every day for breakfast but I cannot help myself. There is a lovely park near by. I bought a baguette, ate that and other things and fed the birds my shared bread, really nice time.So funny, when Adelitas was still good and I was traveling to Tijuana frequently I swear some of the best looking girls I have ever hooked up in my life where from GDL. Same thing happen to me when I got to GDL nothing even close to the girls I was meeting in Tijuana. I thought there was going to be smoking Hot Girls every where, it just was not the case.
Now MTY / CDMX is a different story, you can see you real stunners. I have more experience in MTY and for me it is much better. I just can not express how good it is here for me. I thought I would have had this experience in Kiev or Colombia, not even close to the quality of girls I am meeting in MTY.
CarloRogue
12-22-20, 16:17
LOL. DF, I noticed the same shit. When I went to Tijuana and Hong Kong, I met a 9 there from GDL, best woman I met at HK, and I never saw anyone near her looks wise close to her.
The top chic area in CDMX is Polanco. Two and three are Condesa and Roma. FWIW, Roma is probably my favorite. Fourth is probably Reforma. So you should look at Polanco.
With hotels, it used to be that they were all guest friendly but I am not sure you can make any definite plans in a Covid world. Shit, I used to have the concierge deliver the hookers to my room, got to love Mexico!!
There is a sex hotel named Hotel Patriotismo in Polanco, and no woman will refuse to come there, and I doubt you will have any problems with visitors. It is actually a good place to party. I had a nice suite with a stripper pole in it. You can book a room there on booking.com or kayak. I liked it so much that I would stay there as a regular hotel even without the sex.
For food, watch somebody feed Phil on Netflix when he goes to CDMX. Of all the places he went and I did, my favorite was Panderia Rosetta (bakery) in Roma. Do you know how good the fucking baked goods are there? I bought a half dozen items to bring back to the USA and I ate them all myself. I could not resist. I try not to go there every day for breakfast but I cannot help myself. There is a lovely park near by. I bought a baguette, ate that and other things and fed the birds my shared bread, really nice time.Elvis, many thanks for the good intel. I've copied it all down. The SA scene looks quite ripe, but I also have to try one of the albercadas, so I'm going to try to plan a trip around one of those. It's getting late to plan a NYE trip to CDMX, but I'll be getting out there in the next few months, and wouldn't mind connecting with any fellow travelers. At any rate, why is Roma your favorite over Polanca?
Unrelated topic: Does anyone have SA experience in Puerto Rico, or know what it's like right now in the covid era? It's just an easier destination for a last-minute trip.
Elvis, many thanks for the good intel. I've copied it all down. The SA scene looks quite ripe, but I also have to try one of the albercadas, so I'm going to try to plan a trip around one of those. It's getting late to plan a NYE trip to CDMX, but I'll be getting out there in the next few months, and wouldn't mind connecting with any fellow travelers. At any rate, why is Roma your favorite over Polanca?
Unrelated topic: Does anyone have SA experience in Puerto Rico, or know what it's like right now in the covid era? It's just an easier destination for a last-minute trip.As far as I know, CDMX right now is back to where it was when the pandemic started. At least for the holidays. Restaurants, cafes (take out / delivery only), clubs, etc closed until further notice. Definitely not the best time to visit.
SA works great in CDMX, I don't understand what's the point of paying 1500-1800 MXN per hour to twitter girls, when you can easily find better looking pros or semi-pros on SA and pay 2500-3500 MXN for multiple hours date or even TLN. SA dates are way better experience vs wham bam thank you ma'am kind of dates.
If you have the funds, stick to Polanco. Very upscale neighborhood with high-end restaurants and shopping. Great parks too. Any hooker would be happy to come over to your place in Polanco, they love it.
My favorite is Reforma though. Right in the middle of the city, close to everything, very similar to Brickell Avenue in Miami.
You've got me sold on CDMX. I've been reading the boards here for a while and between the SA scene, albercadas, and Mexican porn stars on twitter, this city is high on my bucket list, and hopefully a repeat destination. Any recommendations for new year's eve, or around that weekend? I'm pretty savvy with SA already, but love the group scene and really want to try some parties. Also, any high-end hotels that are solidly girl friendly? I like to be near the sights and best restaurant districts, and happy to spend for convenience and luxury. Someone mentioned the W hotel presidential suite, which sounds like a fun splurge.While it has been a couple years traveling to Cabo to hobby the prices were more like big city USA than Mexico due to the transient nature of the tourists. Price savvy people go elsewhere- it's really a tourist trap. That said, I never had trouble with hotels since so many have beach side or street entrances.
Back to Roma. Agree about staying near there. Also the walking is amazing. Food is astounding.
RahulSinghD84
12-22-20, 22:03
India is the trickiest place for SA mongering. Delhi has the best collection within India. I'm not sure if 10 K INR could get you something nice but it could. May be a 20% chance. 15 k to 25 k inr could definitely get you a decent bird. People who don't know the value of money just throw crazy money on girls. Can't help it. We are discussing this here coz we value our money...Have been using SA in Delhi since 3 years. Yes, 10 k would not get something nice, perhaps someone young but not pretty.
15 k seems to be the sweet spot although feels more like 20 k if you really want good quality. There are some that ask 25-30 k INR for a meet and 90 k-100 k INR for a monthly arrangement.
In between all this, one can find gems that can cost around 12 k but can be brought down to 10 k if you are regular.
My preference is young girls on SA, so I do end up paying around the 15 k mark usually.
Also most girls over 30 would be a waste in India. Just going by the rule that their body would be out of shape. Also there are some professionals and some SPs as well so one needs to be aware of them!
Happy to help if someone is visiting the city.
P.S.: Also have tried SA in Dubai, US (Orange County, Austin, NY) and a couple of times in Europe. Keen to explore SA in Mexico, Colombia in 2021 if travel opens up!
Elvis 2008
12-22-20, 23:08
Elvis, At any rate, why is Roma your favorite over Polanca?.I do not know if this is true or not, but IMO Polanco seems like snobby older money and Roma is like new rich fun. I love the streets of Roma and every meal I have had there has been great and not like breaking the bank. I went to a high end steak place in Polanco: very good, very formal, very expensive. Roma just has more of a care free open, fun vibe. It is more of a feeling. Do you know how you can feel the energy of a city? I felt this incredible positive wave much more in Roma than Polanco, but they are both great parts of an amazing city.
CarloRogue
12-23-20, 17:27
I do not know if this is true or not, but IMO Polanco seems like snobby older money and Roma is like new rich fun. I love the streets of Roma and every meal I have had there has been great and not like breaking the bank. I went to a high end steak place in Polanco: very good, very formal, very expensive. Roma just has more of a care free open, fun vibe. It is more of a feeling. Do you know how you can feel the energy of a city? I felt this incredible positive wave much more in Roma than Polanco, but they are both great parts of an amazing city.Now that you describe it that way, Roma sounds exactly like my kind of place. I love the gritty authenticity of old cities with a bit of an underbelly, but also satisfying my first-world indulgences. I prefer a modern gastropub over an expensive old-school steakhouse any day. What are the best hotels in Roma? What about AirBnB?
........The SA scene looks quite ripe, but I also have to try one of the albercadas, so I'm going to try to plan a trip around one of those.................
Unrelated topic: Does anyone have SA experience in Puerto Rico, or know what it's like right now in the covid era? It's just an easier destination for a last-minute trip.What exactly is an "albercada"?
Good question about Puerto Rico. There are many hot Puerto Rican women in the USA San Juan is a great place to hang.
Big Boss Man
12-24-20, 04:46
Tonight I started looking at the Wishlist on the woman's profile. (Bored) If they are asking for lingerie, vibrators and butt plugs, is that considered a healthy sign? I am intrigued. Has anyone had any experience?
Oneminuteboy
12-24-20, 15:15
I usually ask for their Amazon wishlist to get a better understanding.
Usually when I see lingerie, vibrators and butt plugs they are the Pro girls.
CarloRogue
12-24-20, 15:54
What exactly is an "albercada"?
Good question about Puerto Rico. There are many hot Puerto Rican women in the USA San Juan is a great place to hang.Albercada is an organized pool party, periodically held, usually at a motel the promoter rents out. There is lots of info on the CDMX thread if you're interested. I haven't been yet, but I'm a huge fan of FKK's and they sound a bit similar in structure, except for the venue.
Does anyone have hotel or restaurant suggestions for San Juan, PR? Anyone been recently? I've also met some PR girls on SA in the past and they're typically very sexy and passionate.
Anyone searched Seeking Arrangement on Reddit? There are plenty of post from the SB perspective, nice read and into their minds and what are they thinking. But from reading these, I can guess they are mostly American women. That's why I don't prefer American Women and much prefer Latin American or Europeans.
Steve 9696
12-25-20, 02:15
Because I think of my best girls as both friends and lovers I keep track of birthdays and usually send $50 or $100 (depending on the girl). Been sending out a handful of Christmas gifts and it's really satisfying. Responses ranging from:
"I don't have CashApp but just that You'the think to send me something is gift enough. " (She's kinda in love with me) to videos of graphic pussy masturbation (from a semi pro in So Paulo) to "it actually made me cry" to "want to meet up New Year's Eve?
A lot of us have the coin to do it. I highly recommend a little Christmas cash. It does the heart good and pays back many times over.
BroComplex
12-25-20, 15:14
If you are under 30, I might add 10 years to your age. These gals go onto SA specifically to meet older rich guys. I've been told by some SBs that the younger guys on the site are aZZholes, and now they screen out younger guys. But this was for the SF market, where a some of the young guys were rich nerds that gotten beaten up in HS and are now taking it out on SBs. Yeah, huge generalization, I know.
BTW, if you are under 30, then why not just use Tinder and get laid for free? If it's an issue with showing your face, well, for most non-pros, they want to see what you look like before the meetup, generally speaking. So, not sure why you'd use SA instead of Tinder. At my age, I cannot easily score a young hottie on Tinder. But I can score them on SA.What if I'm ugly and the only way I can get sex is by paying for it?
What if I'm ugly and the only way I can get sex is by paying for it?The answer is straightforward. Visit the destinations here on this forum like Canada, South America, Asia and Germany.
I mention Canada because most Americans can get there with a short flight. There are some really good-looking escorts in Canadian cities.
Steve 9696
12-25-20, 17:03
Now is apparently the time to find some new presents to open on Seeking. In my city it is rare to see new girls on the app. Got into a nice chat Christmas Eve. Then, feeling a bit odd went browsing on Christmas day. WTF? Several new hot girls. Maybe the holidays makes them lonely? But suggest you go "shopping" over the holidays. It appears many new presents are under the tree!
I am currently investigating my options around South America and wondered whether any of you guys got an idea how much the standard date would be in Caracas? At least some point of reference?
I asked this question some time ago in the CCS section but never received an answer. Caracas appears to be some kind of paradise for our hobby.
DramaFree11
12-26-20, 18:32
I am currently investigating my options around South America and wondered whether any of you guys got an idea how much the standard date would be in Caracas? At least some point of reference?
I asked this question some time ago in the CCS section but never received an answer. Caracas appears to be some kind of paradise for our hobby.It is even safe to travel there?
CarloRogue
12-26-20, 18:46
What if I'm ugly and the only way I can get sex is by paying for it?Lack of confidence is the ugliest of ugly to girls. We're all dealt less of a hand than we'd want. It's how you play what you have that makes you who you are. If you're out of shape, use your will and make lifestyle changes to improve your fitness. Wear fresh clothes, especially nice shoes (trust me, the women are scrutinizing these) and a high-end cologne (lightly applied). Be clean shaven, with a recent haircut. If you're boring, travel to interesting places and accumulate fun stories. Take some risks. Smile, make eye contact, be charming. Talk about her not you. Go on lots of dates. Analyze what works and do more of that, change what doesn't, but fit congruently within your personality. Practice really does make perfect.
All of the above comes out of the much-maligned pick-up artist community, but it's all rather straightforward and really inoffensive self-improvement if you think about it. You're training yourself to be more attractive to women, which also incidentally makes you more attractive to your friends, family, co-workers, and even yourself. Also worth noting that many girls I talk to on SA are there because they're rather disgusted with how immature and boring boys their age are.
GeneHickman
12-26-20, 20:15
I am currently investigating my options around South America and wondered whether any of you guys got an idea how much the standard date would be in Caracas? At least some point of reference?
I asked this question some time ago in the CCS section but never received an answer. Caracas appears to be some kind of paradise for our hobby.You can't realistically even consider it. Its unsafe, travel is resteicted from many parts, and every mongering risk you can think of is higher. Yes the price maybe great but you have to deal with the rest of it. I've got a couple of chicas I've friended on FB, don't even think pros, they tell me about their daily struggles and its heartbreaking, and either would jump at a chance to travel out of there and meet, but I haven't figured out a way to put that together without getting into trouble. So let me know if you have. And no I will not send anyone I don't know $1 k to buy tickets for themselves.
It is even safe to travel there?
You can't realistically even consider it. Its unsafe, travel is resteicted from many parts, and every mongering risk you can think of is higher. Yes the price maybe great but you have to deal with the rest of it. I've got a couple of chicas I've friended on FB, don't even think pros, they tell me about their daily struggles and its heartbreaking, and either would jump at a chance to travel out of there and meet, but I haven't figured out a way to put that together without getting into trouble. So let me know if you have. And no I will not send anyone I don't know $1 k to buy tickets for themselves.It is absolutely not safe and I am aware of that. Hence, I am looking at SP or CDMX for my first tour. Still, if anyone got any information as to possible expenses, please let me know.
CarloRogue
12-27-20, 18:31
You can't realistically even consider it. Its unsafe, travel is resteicted from many parts, and every mongering risk you can think of is higher. Yes the price maybe great but you have to deal with the rest of it. I've got a couple of chicas I've friended on FB, don't even think pros, they tell me about their daily struggles and its heartbreaking, and either would jump at a chance to travel out of there and meet, but I haven't figured out a way to put that together without getting into trouble. So let me know if you have. And no I will not send anyone I don't know $1 k to buy tickets for themselves.That indeed would be a rather strange definition of "paradise". I admire a bit of risk taking, but in a measured way. There's a difference between traveling like Anthony Bourdain and Warmbier. I'd put Venezuela into the latter category right now.
And if you're into Vennies, why not plan a nice, safe, and rewarding trip to Barranquilla or Cartagena, when travel allows? Word is that many have escaped into Colombia and Panama.
Elvis 2008
12-28-20, 09:29
I am currently investigating my options around South America and wondered whether any of you guys got an idea how much the standard date would be in Caracas? At least some point of reference?
I asked this question some time ago in the CCS section but never received an answer. Caracas appears to be some kind of paradise for our hobby.So unless things have changed, the first part would be getting a visa. The last I checked you had to send your passport to Caracas. I think it is effing crazy to do that. Then you have to get a flight there. There used to be cheap flights to Aruba, but the last I checked the only ways in were via Bogota and Panama City, and flights were ridiculously high. Even when I looked at hotel prices they were double the price of their neighboring countries. Apparently, the hotels would tell you that they close their doors at 8 PM and you are shit out of luck after that. Then you have stories of the hotels running out of paper and this is preCovid. God knows what it is like there now.
In comparison, you can hop on Spirit Airlines and get to Bogota for $300 or so, do not need a visa, stay at the decent Ibis hotel for $30 a night, and can be banging all the hot Vennies you want in the Santa Fe region for 10 to $20 a pop. Caracas is not paradise Ailton. Bogota is. If you do not like the altitude, Medellin is a good alternative.
In the USA sex prison, my attempts at turning a stripper or escort into a sugar baby has been a painful experience. By their very nature, they suck at commitments.
However, when you are dealing with a Venezuelan stripper or street walker in the Bogota area, I am not sure if it is the same because unlike in the sex prison, a lot of women are working women not because they are losers but because they were dealt a bad hand by their country.
I hooked up with my favorite Vennie stripper on my last trip. Unlike a lot of the other working women I was with, she really got into the sex. It is hard to cum in the shitty beds in the strip clubs but this woman sucked and fucked me with such gusto, she got me off. In fact, she was such a nympho she was playing with junior a few minutes after getting me off trying to get me to go a second round.
I have my fun in Santa Fe but for sugar babies, I date the beautiful and educated women that I met on seeking. They work at the nicest malls, are teachers, or women getting degrees in the most high end careers like engineering, law, and medicine.
I was kind of surprised then when the Vennie stripper said, "I really like you and want to cook for you. " The stripper code is all about taking not giving and I would expect a "Why don't you take me to dinner?" The next part that really shocked me was when she said that she was a criminal defense lawyer in Venezuela and had modeled all through out Europe. I was like all right this is not your typical stripper loser. She has been very good about texting me.
So the next time I am in Bogota, I will take her up on her dinner offer and we will see what happens.
There are also abundant Vennies in the city of Cucuta, Colombia which is the most important crossing site into Venezuela now. But I have been told on the hunt for hot Vennies, the women do not stay there. They head to Bogota and Medellin. Cucuta has cheap but not high end pussy. You can get laid there by a decent looking woman for like $5 but you got to stay there and I have been told it is a shithole. LOL.
So unless things have changed, the first part would be getting a visa. The last I checked you had to send your passport to Caracas. I think it is effing crazy to do that. Then you have to get a flight there. There used to be cheap flights to Aruba, but the last I checked the only ways in were via Bogota and Panama City, and flights were ridiculously high. Even when I looked at hotel prices they were double the price of their neighboring countries. Apparently, the hotels would tell you that they close their doors at 8 PM and you are shit out of luck after that. Then you have stories of the hotels running out of paper and this is preCovid. God knows what it is like there now.
In comparison, you can hop on Spirit Airlines and get to Bogota for $300 or so, do not need a visa, stay at the decent Ibis hotel for $30 a night, and can be banging all the hot Vennies you want in the Santa Fe region for 10 to $20 a pop. Caracas is not paradise Ailton. Bogota is. If you do not like the altitude, Medellin is a good alternative.
In the USA sex prison, my attempts at turning a stripper or escort into a sugar baby has been a painful experience. By their very nature, they suck at commitments.
However, when you are dealing with a Venezuelan stripper or street walker in the Bogota area, I am not sure if it is the same because unlike in the sex prison, a lot of women are working women not because they are losers but because they were dealt a bad hand by their country.
I hooked up with my favorite Vennie stripper on my last trip. Unlike a lot of the other working women I was with, she really got into the sex. It is hard to cum in the shitty beds in the strip clubs but this woman sucked and fucked me with such gusto, she got me off. In fact, she was such a nympho she was playing with junior a few minutes after getting me off trying to get me to go a second round.Thanks a lot for your substantial remarks on the situation. As far as the Visa is concerned, I have a 2nd passport of a country that is widely considered "rogue" in the West and whose citizens are extremely welcome in Venezuela without any Visa (up to 15 days). I would assume that this would also constitute a good cover for a potential trip and my looks blend in too. What I was originally looking at, is renting an apartment in a safe area of Caracas and conduct business from there. After other members have again advised me of the precarious situation, I will continue to stick with SP and CDMX. You never know what kind of girl you are communicating with and how desperate she may be, even the most well considered measures can fail where effective policing is absent.
Your descriptions of Venezuelans in Colombia communicate the situation of those who managed to escape very well. The impression I get is also that some consider foreigners as a potential ticket out. I will definitely consider Vennies in Colombia for the next trip.
Wish you best of luck with your stripper-lawyer on your next trip to Bogota.
Steve 9696
12-29-20, 01:44
What's the latest with your regs MW? I want to know how your girl you argued with is working out. Back together still?
Latest for me is saw Sarah a week ago. Continued great BBFS but she's seemed cool of late. Putting off another date. She got a couple calls from her mom when we were together that maybe freaked her out a bit. Or maybe because we don't go out — we only go to the hotel. Maybe that's eating at her. Going to try to figure it out.
Meanwhile I sent Layla $100 for Cmas and sure enough she comes back to life — ready to meetup. So we had a little soirée with Thai food and a nice time in the room. Problem is she wants to please but she doesn't kiss or BJ worth a damn. It's just fucking. Which is OK but not what I really like. Goddamn she has a 9 face so that helps but lack of service keeps her from ever being my go to girl. It's kinda sad because she really want to be that. But you can tell she doesn't have it in her.
And in other news have a date upcoming with a Mongolian girl (yep MW your neck of the woods). Another newbie lonely girl like Sarah. We'll call her Ariana. So it will be fun to see how the seduction goes.
And hopefully Sarah's distancing is just temporary. I'm not pinging her right now since I have the date with Ariana upcoming.
Anyhow still haven't found my perfect fit — tho the sex with Sarah is epic so if she comes back around I'll probably stop wandering.
Só MW. What's the 411?
I am currently investigating my options around South America and wondered whether any of you guys got an idea how much the standard date would be in Caracas? At least some point of reference?
I asked this question some time ago in the CCS section but never received an answer. Caracas appears to be some kind of paradise for our hobby.Paradise? The only similarity is that you will probably be dead. Whether you end up in paradise or not I don't know. Any place that you need an armed guard to go buy groceries, and then there are no groceries, is not paradise.
Paradise? The only similarity is that you will probably be dead. Whether you end up in paradise or not I don't know. Any place that you need an armed guard to go buy groceries, and then there are no groceries, is not paradise.This sub-section of the forum relates specifically to SA, not to wandering around brothels or street game. As such, my statement was evidently referring to the outstanding quality of girls and the likely low cost. I was not referring to the plight of the people or the security situation. For the aforementioned reasons, there is no reason for me whatsoever to retract or reconsider my wording.
Midwestern
12-29-20, 10:03
You might recall that I am renting an apartment to meet girls at. Well, the last time we were there, the security guard stopped us as we were leaving. It gave my SB a fright. Me too, actually. But they just wanted to know if anyone was going to pay the heating bill for the past two months.
Officially, I do not have a formal lease at this place. I just pay the landlady three months rent in advance. So, the security guards and front desk people just give me quizzical and sometimes dirty looks every time I show up with a girl. So, I have not been using the place lately. I am paying rent for nothing. I am probably going to bail on it. The big mistake is that this apartment building is small, with a small lobby, so everyone that works there knows my business. No privacy. On the one hand, I should not give a shit what people think. However, some of my friends told me that any day now, the police might show up at my real residence and ask me what I am doing at the other apartment, which kind of scares me. Fuck. I thought this was a great idea, but obviously it's not.
In the meantime, I am still meeting up with other girls at their places. But as far as my two SBs go, I think I will have to cut bait with them. With both of them, I have now been with them about 10 times already, and it just gets stale after a while. I am beginning to think that monthly arrangements or any LT arrangement is a waste of time. I think I am way more into strange. This idea of having an SB because she gives me semi genuine GFE is a novelty that is starting to wear off. How about for you? BTW, maybe you should feel lucky that Sarah is being a bit cool. I was worried that she would really fall in love with you and that would create a messy situation for you.
Anyway, I haven't seen SB #1 since that last time we met at the apartment. She said she doesn't want to go there again. But like I said, I don't miss her that much now. Weird. For a while, I really thought that I would want her as my SB forever, LOL. She had everything, including looks, body, and personality. Maybe I am spoiled and I am taking these SBs for granted.
What's the latest with your regs MW? I want to know how your girl you argued with is working out. Back together still?
Latest for me is saw Sarah a week ago. Continued great BBFS but she's seemed cool of late. Putting off another date. She got a couple calls from her mom when we were together that maybe freaked her out a bit. Or maybe because we don't go out we only go to the hotel. Maybe that's eating at her. Going to try to figure it out.
Meanwhile I sent Layla $100 for Cmas and sure enough she comes back to life ready to meetup. So we had a little soire with Thai food and a nice time in the room. Problem is she wants to please but she doesn't kiss or BJ worth a damn. It's just fucking. Which is OK but not what I really like. Goddamn she has a 9 face so that helps but lack of service keeps her from ever being my go to girl. It's kinda sad because she really want to be that. But you can tell she doesn't have it in her.
And in other news have a date upcoming with a Mongolian girl (yep MW your neck of the woods). Another newbie lonely girl like Sarah. We'll call her Ariana. So it will be fun to see how the seduction goes.
And hopefully Sarah's distancing is just temporary. I'm not pinging her right now since I have the date with Ariana upcoming.
Anyhow still haven't found my perfect fit tho the sex with Sarah is epic so if she comes back around I'll probably stop wandering.
S MW. What's the 411?
Steve 9696
12-29-20, 13:56
You might recall that I am renting an apartment to meet girls at. Well, the last time we were there, the security guard stopped us as we were leaving. It gave my SB a fright. Me too, actually. But they just wanted to know if anyone was going to pay the heating bill for the past two months.
Officially, I do not have a formal lease at this place. I just pay the landlady three months rent in advance. So, the security guards and front desk people just give me quizzical and sometimes dirty looks every time I show up with a girl. So, I have not been using the place lately. I am paying rent for nothing. I am probably going to bail on it. The big mistake is that this apartment building is small, with a small lobby, so everyone that works there knows my business. No privacy. On the one hand, I should not give a shit what people think. However, some of my friends told me that any day now, the police might show up at my real residence and ask me what I am doing at the other apartment, which kind of scares me. Fuck. I thought this was a great idea, but obviously it's not.
In the meantime, I am still meeting up with other girls at their places. But as far as my two SBs go, I think I will have to cut bait with them. With both of them, I have now been with them about 10 times already, and it just gets stale after a while. I am beginning to think that monthly arrangements or any LT arrangement is a waste of time. I think I am way more into strange. This idea of having an SB because she gives me semi genuine GFE is a novelty that is starting to wear off. How about for you? BTW, maybe you should feel lucky that Sarah is being a bit cool. I was worried that she would really fall in love with you and that would create a messy situation for you.
Anyway, I haven't seen SB #1 since that last time we met at the apartment. She said she doesn't want to go there again. But like I said, I don't miss her that much now. Weird. For a while, I really thought that I would want her as my SB forever, LOL. She had everything, including looks, body, and personality. Maybe I am spoiled and I am taking these SBs for granted.Yeah I think there is definitely something to what you are saying. Yes we clearly want the sex. And yes we clearly want that girlfriendy thing. But we also want to seduce and conquer. So once she's urs and you can have her any time suddenly she is less interesting. I find myself looking forward to dinner with some new girl as much as sex with an existing one. Although I will confess this is partly because I'm not crushing on any of the girls I can have right now. If this was Alexa or Krystal I'the be dying to just have dinner with her because I can just stare all night I am so smitten. LOL. But right now "new" is trumping the bird in the hand.
This partly comes with what the Nanpa guys call and abundance mindset. If I thought Layla or Sarah were the last girl I could have for a long time I'the hold on for dear life. But since it's clear I can continue this journey in many different ways and not have scarcity it makes the pursuit more doable.
P.S. I still have to hold on a bit because it's not target rich where I live. If I was in Miami or somewhere damn I'the be going thru the roster.
CarloRogue
12-29-20, 18:03
You might recall that I am renting an apartment to meet girls at. Well, the last time we were there, the security guard stopped us as we were leaving. It gave my SB a fright. Me too, actually. But they just wanted to know if anyone was going to pay the heating bill for the past two months.
Officially, I do not have a formal lease at this place. I just pay the landlady three months rent in advance. So, the security guards and front desk people just give me quizzical and sometimes dirty looks every time I show up with a girl. So, I have not been using the place lately. I am paying rent for nothing. I am probably going to bail on it. The big mistake is that this apartment building is small, with a small lobby, so everyone that works there knows my business. No privacy. On the one hand, I should not give a shit what people think. However, some of my friends told me that any day now, the police might show up at my real residence and ask me what I am doing at the other apartment, which kind of scares me. Fuck. I thought this was a great idea, but obviously it's not.
In the meantime, I am still meeting up with other girls at their places. But as far as my two SBs go, I think I will have to cut bait with them. With both of them, I have now been with them about 10 times already, and it just gets stale after a while. I am beginning to think that monthly arrangements or any LT arrangement is a waste of time. I think I am way more into strange. This idea of having an SB because she gives me semi genuine GFE is a novelty that is starting to wear off. How about for you? BTW, maybe you should feel lucky that Sarah is being a bit cool..Seems like you have a nice setup and the security guards already know the score. Why would the police investigate? You're not doing anything wrong. Looks like a good opportunity to apply a little game to the situation (it's not just for the ladies). Instead of walking in sheepishly with a guilty look, befriend one of the late-night guards, and chat him up. Find out what he likes and bring a little gift next time like dessert or alcohol. You might even hint and joke around at why you're there (they already know) and find out whether anyone cares. You could even offer to have your date show ID the next time your there, if they had any concerns. Most security people have been in the hospitality business for a long time and have seen a lot, and they know that tenants are what pays their salary. They all talk, so you only need to befriend one or two. This works particularly well overseas at hotels and Airbnb's but worth a shot here too.
Since the FKK is probably the least understood of the venues and every man should have it on his bucket list here is an intro to FKK.
So what is this crazy FKK I speak of?Just stumbled on your posts! Well done! I've been to various consenting adult places in several European countries, including Sharks, and I completely agree. I would just add a couple of additional facts:
1. As you point out, the buffet at Sharks (or less extensive food area in other FKKs) is a great place to relax. Most clubs also make it a "no solicitation zone" and don't allow the girls to pick you up. So, it's an oasis or demilitarized zone of sorts.
2. Some FKKs go beyond that and have a strict no-solicitation policy throughout the club. When you're ready, you have to go to them and get acquainted. This makes the experience all the more relaxing and on your terms.
3. Some FKKs have kinos (movie theaters) showing porn. If you're into public sex, you and your beloved can do the deed right in front of everybody else in the theater.
4. Although the recent German laws requiring condoms (even for blow jobs) have stifled the business somewhat, there are still some flat-rate clubs called Partytreffs. (Check out this forum for the link). You basically pay a flat rate and you can have as much sex as you can handle. The girls aren't as young or as attractive as at an FKK, but they love sex. A spontaneous group session or gangbang can break out at any moment. I mention the German laws because most Partytreffs started out with bareback blowjobs out in the lounge area.
5. In recent years, many clubs sell the generic Viagra gel at the desk.
It's been a month since I promised myself that I would not again see a local Korean hottie that I met on seeking.com. Now it's been Christmas and I want to send her a little greeting. She is very accommodating and hosts me for the day at her house. Great fun.
But her attitude to money annoys me. She is a single mum, 2 kids and not exactly rolling in cash but she will have me take her to an expensive place for dinner. I could just as easily give her the extra cash as I keep a mental note of the total 'cost' of the various girls. Some girls see the payment as the max whereas this little hottie sees it as a starting point to see how much extra I can spend on her. She then has nothing to show for the extra $$ just some escape from her day-to-day life.
I'm looking for experience shares on how to access her sweet pussy charms without feeling like she is raping my credit card. I like to know in advance how much an adventure will cost me.
Midwestern
12-30-20, 08:31
Seems like you have a nice setup and the security guards already know the score. Why would the police investigate? You're not doing anything wrong. Looks like a good opportunity to apply a little game to the situation (it's not just for the ladies). Instead of walking in sheepishly with a guilty look, befriend one of the late-night guards, and chat him up. Find out what he likes and bring a little gift next time like dessert or alcohol. You might even hint and joke around at why you're there (they already know) and find out whether anyone cares. You could even offer to have your date show ID the next time your there, if they had any concerns. Most security people have been in the hospitality business for a long time and have seen a lot, and they know that tenants are what pays their salary. They all talk, so you only need to befriend one or two. This works particularly well overseas at hotels and Airbnb's but worth a shot here too.Thanks for the suggestions, man, but the problem is that I do not speak the language (Chinese). So, I cannot chat up the security guards. I am an American. China does not exactly love Americans. So, here I am, bringing hot girls that are half my age into a very nice apartment for afternoon romps. Everyone is giving me dirty looks.
The other problem is that everyone is pretty much deputized in China. This means that a nosy person who has nothing better to do can call the police on me, and will actually get "social credits" for doing it. Given that I cannot speak Chinese, and my girlfriends cannot speak English, the police will assume it is pay for play, and they do not even need a reason to put me in jail for two weeks while they investigate.
Believe me, I also thought I had a nice setup. During my first week at the apartment, I was boinking almost every day there, sometimes all day long. It was awesome. But now my SB #1 does not even want to go back there because everyone gives us dirty looks, and she too is afraid that someone will call the police.
Oh, and one last thing that I forgot to mention is that China is cracking down hard on pay for play activities. Especially now, during the holiday season. So, this makes me even more nervous, especially for now.
Just stumbled on your posts! Well done! I've been to various consenting adult places in several European countries, including Sharks, and I completely agree. I would just add a couple of additional facts:
1. As you point out, the buffet at Sharks (or less extensive food area in other FKKs) is a great place to relax. Most clubs also make it a "no solicitation zone" and don't allow the girls to pick you up. So, it's an oasis or demilitarized zone of sorts............This question is directed to you and Steve since you have discussed FKKs here. What is the general attitude of the FKK girls towards DFK? Nothing disappoints me more than the tight-lipped LFK. It's also kind of a drag when forum members describe the DFK scene as YMMV.
I just want to thank Steve, Midwestern and others for their valuable and interesting contributions to this thread. The SA scene clearly involves a lot of nuance and finesse. Cheers and Happy New Year!
The value of this thread as only been enhanced by the fact that some localized forums have deleted and banned SA discussions. I presume some local sponsors view SA as a threat. I doubt for men that SA will replace convenient and easy pay for play. Perhaps at the margin, a few SA girls that would have considered escorting never take the leap into the escort world. Conversely, it's possible that a SA girl realizes she can handle being an escort.
This question is directed to you and Steve since you have discussed FKKs here. What is the general attitude of the FKK girls towards DFK? Nothing disappoints me more than the tight-lipped LFK. It's also kind of a drag when forum members describe the DFK scene as YMMV.It really depends upon the girl and the connection you build in your "get acquainted" time in the lounge area. When I've been successful, it's always been in the room right at the beginning when we're standing facing each other. Since she is usually shorter than me, I just gently put my hand under her chin and go for it. I've gotten everything from peck on the cheek to the darting tongue to full-on DFK.
DramaFree11
12-30-20, 19:04
Thanks for the suggestions, man, but the problem is that I do not speak the language (Chinese). So, I cannot chat up the security guards. I am an American. China does not exactly love Americans. So, here I am, bringing hot girls that are half my age into a very nice apartment for afternoon romps. Everyone is giving me dirty looks.
The other problem is that everyone is pretty much deputized in China. This means that a nosy person who has nothing better to do can call the police on me, and will actually get "social credits" for doing it. Given that I cannot speak Chinese, and my girlfriends cannot speak English, the police will assume it is pay for play, and they do not even need a reason to put me in jail for two weeks while they investigate.
Believe me, I also thought I had a nice setup. During my first week at the apartment, I was boinking almost every day there, sometimes all day long. It was awesome. But now my SB #1 does not even want to go back there because everyone gives us dirty looks, and she too is afraid that someone will call the police.
Oh, and one last thing that I forgot to mention is that China is cracking down hard on pay for play activities. Especially now, during the holiday season. So, this makes me even more nervous, especially for now.Wow, I thought you spoke Chinese, my Spanish sucks, I real do not have a good excuse, just lazy I guess.
I have a couple questions: 1. If a girl does not want to use the translator what do you do? I have found most of the girls in MTY that I meet, that are unwilling to use the translator, it is usually is a total waste of time and never works out. Many times if there is a connection they quickly start using the translator. Once money is discuss I start communicating in English, unless they are super hot, then all rules are out the window.
DramaFree11
12-30-20, 19:22
I just want to thank Steve, Midwestern and others for their valuable and interesting contributions to this thread. The SA scene clearly involves a lot of nuance and finesse. Cheers and Happy New Year!
The value of this thread as only been enhanced by the fact that some localized forums have deleted and banned SA discussions. I presume some local sponsors view SA as a threat. I doubt for men that SA will replace convenient and easy pay for play. Perhaps at the margin, a few SA girls that would have considered escorting never take the leap into the escort world. Conversely, it's possible that a SA girl realizes she can handle being an escort.I agree totally. I have learned more from this page, then all others pages combined. You can always learn something, there are some guys that I know are lying or exaggerating, but occasionally I will learn something from them as well. Keep up the good work and great information.
Midwestern
12-31-20, 06:42
Wow, I thought you spoke Chinese, my Spanish sucks, I real do not have a good excuse, just lazy I guess.
I have a couple questions: 1. If a girl does not want to use the translator what do you do? I have found most of the girls in MTY that I meet, that are unwilling to use the translator, it is usually is a total waste of time and never works out. Many times if there is a connection they quickly start using the translator. Once money is discuss I start communicating in English, unless they are super hot, then all rules are out the window.I know enough Chinese that I can pull of a first date, as long as it's all small talk, like, where are you from, do you have kids, what do you like to eat, etc. But then, after that, that's it. So, eventually, these girls all get frustrated with me. And eventually, we either drift apart, or we settle into a pay for play routine.
Midwestern
12-31-20, 06:53
WyattEarp, DramaFree, and to all contributors to this subforum:
Thanks for your appreciation, but more importantly, thanks for your contributions!!
At one time, I had an insane obsession and passion for SA, and I spent around 15 hours a week on SA for almost 20 months. This was a few years ago. But when Steve brought up SA in the Shanghai forum a few months ago, and saying that SA was the best way to get girls in the USA, we just started talking about SA and then we created this subforum to discuss it in here, and for anyone else to join the convo. At first, it felt like Steve and I were just texting each other on here, LOL. We weren't sure if others were using SA. But eventually, you guys all came on board and made this subforum a great resource. Thanks, everyone! I've learned a ton from you guys.
And happy new year!
Steve 9696
12-31-20, 15:45
Happy New Year and thanks to Midwestern for starting this forum. Almost exactly a year ago Jan 9 was first post. And as MW says it was a bit barren at first and then got its sea legs. I have to say it was a timely thing as I had to transition from traveling SD to stay at home SD and learn a completely new set of rules and how to prospect locally. It's been an adventure. Without SA I would be absolutely in a sex desert with no hope in sight.
Speaking of which, my condolences to MW on the scene in Shanghai. What used to be one of my favorite scenes worldwide (Manhattan Bar) has now become a scary wasteland of P4 P. I read with horror in the Shanghai thread how guys are getting handjobs in sleazy back rooms and claiming victory. A really sad and scary (jail time a real possibility) situation. Worse than the US which I thought was the worst.
I've learned a lot this past year and a half about pickup game Nanpa in Japan and how important some basics are to the SA scene. One of the things they talk about is abundance, scarcity, and outcome independence. Basically when pussy is scarce you are trying to preserve it and it changes your actions and makes it scarcer. Conversely, when you have a mindset of "outcome independence" (if this crashes and burns I'll just move to the next girl no big deal) you are more confident. And when more confident it leads to abundance. And when you have abundance you are more outcome independent. It's a virtuous cycle!
I've seen this of late in spades here locally. When Layla was off, I just moved to next. Which was (is) Sarah. And when Sarah was cool I started looking. And since I started looking I became more confident that if Sarah tanked I'the just go to next. So I became more confident with her as well. So.
I just met the Sarah thing head on and said something feels off. We had a good convo about the issue and we are back on. Meanwhile I had a date with my Mongolian girl. She's an odd one and wasn't sure if I should proceed. We had a light peck kiss at her car. Again, feeling confident (because I have Sarah and Layla) I asked her by text later if that was a peck goodbye or she's just shy. She says she's really shy but wants to meet again and show me she's a passionate girl. Meanwhilst I am enamored with a Colombian hottie that I am texting. She's quite a pro (tho only 20) but her confidence bordering on arrogance is somehow really appealing (and she's hot AF) and we're talking about a meetup. And of course as a backup I have Layla (and after talking about how her BJ and Kissing are subpar shes planning to bring a friend next time who supposedly excels at both hmm well see if I wanna do that.)
So now suddenly thanks to abundance and an outcome independent mindset I have more than I can reasonably handle and keep happy. This all in what I thought was a pussy desert just 4 months ago. Start with an outcome independent mindset and the rest will follow.
Just to add some perspective from a part of the world that is not so often mentioned in this thread: some of my encounters via SA in Berlin in 2020.
* an French-Tunisian girl, 25 years old, amazing breasts the most prominent of her features, very interesting personality, and crazy in a slightly submissive way in bed; we meet on a PPM (pay per meet) basis every once in a while, 300-400.
* a Latina, student of politology, more on the petite side, and very cute; she wanted to have non intimate meetings in the beginning, but we quickly became very close to each other, and eventually we had sex for free (she was shy for reasons of gender politics, the sugar world is appealing to her, but she is also conflicted about it); we had to stop after a few meetings, since the only way open for us would have been into a full grown affair / relationship (age difference nearly 30 years), and I didn't want that (we are friends now).
* a young German student who gave me my best evening of sex this year, passionate and tender, completely uninhibited, great kisser, great BBBJ / CIM; second meeting stalling so far for reasons not completely clear to me (I have a feeling she became aware of how much she opened up only after the meeting) age difference 35 years, ppm 300.
* a 19 year old Vietnamese girl, highly attractive face and body, slim, and smart; an absolute delight potentially, but also very cash driven; I made an exception for her and agreed on an introductory meeting, gave her 200 for it, and refrained from making a move, just out of intuition; the next day she already wanted me to paypal her more; we are still texting and I might go for her in the new year, but I feel there is a possibility for disappointment in the encounter (she may show me the transactionality of our encounter too bluntly).
In general Berlin with all the students from everywhere and the hinterland of Eastern Europe is an amazing place to use SA even if nowadays there are a lot of profiles seeking quick profit from online contact; I'd say there is on average one gem per week to be found, which can keep a man busy enough.
Steve 9696
12-31-20, 19:35
Just to add some perspective from a part of the world that is not so often mentioned in this thread: some of my encounters via SA in Berlin in 2020.
* an French-Tunisian girl, 25 years old, amazing breasts the most prominent of her features, very interesting personality, and crazy in a slightly submissive way in bed; we meet on a PPM (pay per meet) basis every once in a while, 300-400.
* a Latina, student of politology, more on the petite side, and very cute; she wanted to have non intimate meetings in the beginning, but we quickly became very close to each other, and eventually we had sex for free (she was shy for reasons of gender politics, the sugar world is appealing to her, but she is also conflicted about it); we had to stop after a few meetings, since the only way open for us would have been into a full grown affair / relationship (age difference nearly 30 years), and I didn't want that (we are friends now).
* a young German student who gave me my best evening of sex this year, passionate and tender, completely uninhibited, great kisser, great BBBJ / CIM; second meeting stalling so far for reasons not completely clear to me (I have a feeling she became aware of how much she opened up only after the meeting) age difference 35 years, ppm 300.
* a 19 year old Vietnamese girl, highly attractive face and body, slim, and smart; an absolute delight potentially, but also very cash driven; I made an exception for her and agreed on an introductory meeting, gave her 200 for it, and refrained from making a move, just out of intuition; the next day she already wanted me to paypal her more; we are still texting and I might go for her in the new year, but I feel there is a possibility for disappointment in the encounter (she may show me the transactionality of our encounter too bluntly).
In general Berlin with all the students from everywhere and the hinterland of Eastern Europe is an amazing place to use SA even if nowadays there are a lot of profiles seeking quick profit from online contact; I'd say there is on average one gem per week to be found, which can keep a man busy enough.Thanks for coming out of lurker status to share that. Great stuff. I've always done Artemis when in Berlin and it's a bit sharky really as FKKS go. Did Agency Liberteur one time and got lucky but doubt it's consistent. Great to know Berlin has a lively SB scene. Assuming I ever travel again. LOL.
Forgotten68
01-01-21, 00:43
Hi you all,
Haven't really posted much here but used SA when I was in Lisbon and here is my report.
Girls quite a lot of them some seem to be scammers or just try and take advantage of you don't send any money before any meeting.
That should be obvious but you never know. Met with 6 girls PPM 2-300 3 of them stayed the night one of them for free.
Some of the girls take way to long to answer repeated with 2 of them only 1 of them I wouldn't have repeated with.
Some girls wanted 300 per hour which is really funny when you can get a good looking escort for 150 per hour.
The girls I met were definitely the girls on the pictures 3 of them looked even better in real life.
Was pleasantly surprised by the success rate on SA.
Told them I wanted minimum 3 hours of intimate time GFE wasn't a problem.
CarloRogue
01-01-21, 01:37
Thanks for coming out of lurker status to share that. Great stuff. I've always done Artemis when in Berlin and it's a bit sharky really as FKKS go. Did Agency Liberteur one time and got lucky but doubt it's consistent. Great to know Berlin has a lively SB scene. Assuming I ever travel again. LOL.Indeed, a great report out of Berlin. I had only just started using SA on my overseas trips before the pandemic shut down all travel, but hope to resume in 2021. I can say that I had very good success in Indonesia. Almost like shooting fish in a barrel. I'd give advice to the board, but frankly, as long as you're nice, polite, and direct, anyone would do well there.
On another note, of late, I have to say that I'm getting a little worried about the future viability of SA. If any of you read the USA boards, just about every major city has a sugar baby sub-forum, and there are regular and recurring flame wars about whether sugar babies are pros or not. As if the complexity of women exist solely in one of two binary states. Frankly to me, the majority in the "pro" camp are so adamant about it, that they come across as misogynistic. It is also unsurprising that these are the same guys that complain about how the site is full of fakes and flakes and how they can't get a real girl from the site (and I talk to many girls on SA who run from these types, given how brutish they come across). Anyway, I'm not trying to reignite the debate here. It is a debate without a purpose, but worse and to the point I wanted to make, I fear it is drawing the wrong attention to SA. On top of that, there are the detailed reviews of services and transactions, and some ugly bully behavior. It's like putting out the catnip for white knights, scorned women, and an uncle named LEO.
So, my wish for 2021: let's all be nice. Spread some good cheer. Be positive. Give a sincere compliment. Move on from a missed connection with a smile and polite thank-you. Recognize that real men don't get easily offended or sweat small stuff. Believe in the law of attraction, or simply be a shrewd practitioner of it. Pick your own favorite good-will quip and put it into action. Maybe karma will reward us, or at least preserve the good in the status quo for a little while longer.
CR.
Midwestern
01-01-21, 02:49
Happy New Year and thanks to Midwestern for starting this forum. Almost exactly a year ago Jan 9 was first post. And as MW says it was a bit barren at first and then got its sea legs. I have to say it was a timely thing as I had to transition from traveling SD to stay at home SD and learn a completely new set of rules and how to prospect locally. It's been an adventure. Without SA I would be absolutely in a sex desert with no hope in sight.Holy shit, didn't realize this subforum started a year ago, just before CV19 took hold of the world. Maybe one reason why this subforum thrived is because it gave us a place to hang out during our respective lockdowns. I'm not ashamed to admit that reading this subforum was sometimes the highlight of my day when I had to stay home 23 hours a day for months. Let's hope there more fucking in 2021 for all.
DramaFree11
01-01-21, 03:08
Holy shit, didn't realize this subforum started a year ago, just before CV19 took hold of the world. Maybe one reason why this subforum thrived is because it gave us a place to hang out during our respective lockdowns. I'm not ashamed to admit that reading this subforum was sometimes the highlight of my day when I had to stay home 23 hours a day for months. Let's hope there more fucking in 2021 for all.Thanks again, this page rocks. Happy New Year.
Mongerer88
01-01-21, 17:48
On another note, of late, I have to say that I'm getting a little worried about the future viability of SA. If any of you read the USA boards, just about every major city has a sugar baby sub-forum, and there are regular and recurring flame wars about whether sugar babies are pros or not. As if the complexity of women exist solely in one of two binary states. Frankly to me, the majority in the "pro" camp are so adamant about it, that they come across as misogynistic. It is also unsurprising that these are the same guys that complain about how the site is full of fakes and flakes and how they can't get a real girl from the site (and I talk to many girls on SA who run from these types, given how brutish they come across). Anyway, I'm not trying to reignite the debate here. It is a debate without a purpose, but worse and to the point I wanted to make, I fear it is drawing the wrong attention to SA. On top of that, there are the detailed reviews of services and transactions, and some ugly bully behavior. It's like putting out the catnip for white knights, scorned women, and an uncle named LEO.
CR.Yes, I have noticed the same thing. I really hope that poor, and / or cheap, guys don't fuck it up like they do everything else in this industry. Like with Backpage and the German flat-rate all you can fuck clubs. There would be some irony to that, since the founder says that love itself is a concept invented for poor people.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3568754/Seeking-Arrangement-founder-Brandon-Wade-claims-love-concept-poor-people.html
The risk isn't that law enforcement starts putting decoys on Seeking Arrangement, like they did with Backpage. The system is too different, and that is simply not going to happen. The risk is that the USA Federal government, and / or numerous State Attorney Generals, bring an action against Seeking for promoting prostitution, and simply seizes its assets while the lawsuit progresses. That won't legally effect the users, other than the damn site would be in limbo. It would be better if the entire operation had been originated outside the United States, but it is too late now. When you read the sub forums you mentioned, there is no denying that the site has attracted more transactional players as it has gotten bigger in the last few years. I am sure that Seeking would prefer that those sub forums not exist. In the USA, the general rule in this industry is the smaller the better, and the quieter the better, in terms of federal and state agencies not going on the attack. Seeking was once the master of setting up discreet one-on-one compensated relationships, which is what most of the guys here use it for. But many discussion sites now have links to specific profiles where her prices and specific sexual services are detailed in the discussion post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeekingArrangement
Hey Mongerer88, Happy New Year!
Since you have a lot of experience in Montreal, I was wondering if you have played in the MTL sugar bowl. It would seem to be a great city for SA. I always found Montreal women to be more libertine compared to other North American women.
In regards to SA being deemed a sexual procurement site, a MTL buddy of ours was banned from SA for sending out messages to the girls asking "how much?" and even maybe "condom required?' Haha. Anyways, I don't think he is poor or cheap. He's just a bit impatient.
Even if the SA site was domiciled in a tolerant country, isn't possible the USA Law enforcement could monkey around with the site through USA Internet providers? There is a Canadian escort ad site mentioned often where I can't see the photos here in the USA However, other sites that were shutdown by USA LE have come right back based in the Netherlands. It's all quite confusing and I don't think USA Law enforcement is sure of what is doing. They play sort of a sporadic whack-a-mole game with the internet sex sites. I'm also sure that international internet governance prevents them from trying to run around censoring the global internet.
Elvis 2008
01-02-21, 23:05
Yes, there has been a lot of great information here and yes sadly I see SA going the way it did in the USA in a lot of other countries with guys using it as a an escort site that will attract the scammers. SA has been gold in Colombia, silver in Mexico, and quite frankly shit now in the USA. In 2009, SA in the USA was gold.
I wrote a long post about my stories, and I think it would bore everyone so I am going to cut to the chase and tell you what I learned in the past year: what I have learned and the advice I will give.
The first and unpleasant truth I will give is that when you are giving women money with the expectation of sex, she is a working girl and you are a john. The lines "No, she really likes me. I am just giving her money. It is monthly so she does not feel like a working girl ETC" are all bullshit.
A pleasant truth was that I found that hot women abroad were willing to fuck me without a promise of money. I got all bogged down into the definition of a working girl, and Mr. Enternational had a much simpler one. Any women you pay money to for sex is a working girl, and he made the stipulation that he liked working girls. Any woman who asks "how much" is a working girl and I promised not to delude yourself.
The second pleasant truth, and this is something Mr. E is wrong about, is that all the women on seeking are working girls. I will make an exception for the USA but I have met women in other countries several times fucked them without offering anything up front. I have even found women who desperately try to show me they are not about money. The funniest experience was I gave one woman money. She later tried to give it back to me and told me that she loved me. With her, I insisted she keep it.
The second unpleasant truth is that Western men have had their egos so beaten up that they do not believe my second pleasant truth. The guys here have made it a mantra that these women really want to hang with men their own age from their own countries. There is this idea that the women are telling us they love us so they can suck us dry or if not that, doing the long con.
Western men are oblivious to the state these women are in. I want to ask the Western men: have you seen the living conditions of these women? Their economic prospects? And the men these supposedly want to date?
I will embellish this point with a story. The breakup with my fiancé had left my ego bruised. I didn't propose to a hot woman I just met, but I mentioned a fiancé visa to her as a way we could get to know each other better. She asked herself what was wrong with me that I proposed to her so fast. She kept me at a distance because she did not want to introduce me to her family. Once she distanced herself, I did likewise and kind of forgot about her.
She asked what was wrong. I said we had no future. She admitted to me that her family would probably not accept me and said that she wanted to be friends. I said that was fine and then she sent me a bunch of nude videos which meant we were going to be friends with benefits.
I wanted to ask her. "So your last boyfriend, the one who cheated on you, gave you a STD, beat you, and you spent all your money on, was your family okay with him but not me?" I realized asking that would get me in trouble. I then asked myself, "So your concession prize is fucking a hot women who is totally in love with you, and you do not have to pay her, make a commitment, or meet her family?" Oh darn.
The third pleasant truth is that I learned the best way to have a woman want to commit to you is to not give her one. The hottest SB I have is a Mexican woman. I knew that we could only have fun together because she would spend every dime I had if we got serious. Here is a woman that 9 out of 10 men would die to have as their wife appearance wise, and I am uninterested. She asked me what our future was and I said, "We continue to have fun and when the relationship is not fun, we go our own ways. " She said I was being mean to her and then she fucked the shit out of me.
The third unpleasant truth is that it took me too long to understand the third pleasant truth.
The fourth unpleasant truth is that men are getting fucked in the relationship game and instead of doing something about it are whining about it. I would spend money about both my ex-wife and ex-fiance and they would turn me down for sex. My ex put me in a horrible position. She quit giving me blowjobs and then would ***** about how I was cheating on her. My ex-fiance was the same way. The more I gave her the less she gave me sexually.
Women have changed the rules. Men hear the marriage vows and say for better or worse and they think it means for better or worse. Women stop listening after better. If they are unhappy in a commitment, they blow off their vows and leave. Now the dumb part is the women I have seen do this in know they are probably making a change for the worst but cannot help themselves. The women are so unhappy and think nothing could be worse than their current state, and God is happy to show them how things can and will be worse. Maybe there are women who upgrade in a breakup or divorce, but that has not been the case with me.
All this crap about men's rights and MGTOW is stupid. Do something about it and quit bitching.
The fourth and final pleasant truth is I know what makes me happy and that is fucking women and getting a great blowjob. For the last 10 years of my marriage, my ex did not give me head. She bitched about me cheating on her and the line that got the most traction with her and everyone else was that she did not give me head for 10 years. She tried to shame me. "I wanted to but it was so dirty down there", and I said, "That is funny. The other women didn't seem to mind. " When my ex started to pull the same shit: no oral sex and one position sex, I asked if the problem was me. My brother admitted the sex life in his marriage had gone to shit and then I remembered Chris Rock saying that every married guy got the same shitty ass blowjob.
In the last year, I have rarely been turned down for sex, and I wondered why, and the reality is that I will no longer have anything long term with any woman not interested in sexual pleasing me. I wish that this was my discovery but the truth is that I just have found great women who want to please me. This New Year's I had four stunning women all tell me they loved me and hoped to see me soon.
I have had people accuse me of bragging on this score but the truth is I mention this because if I can get this, you can too.
Is there any guy who does not like getting a blow job? Then why are you / we accepting not getting them? Call me all the names you want: a cheater, afraid of commitment, a pervert, a sex addict, but I am going to get my blowjobs. If a woman does not want to blow me, she does not want to be with me and on to the next one.
I grant you that maybe these truth and untruths are obvious, however I am not just talking about these things but feel they are right and are acting on them. Warren Buffett admitted the best time to invest and be greedy is when others are fearful. That is being a contrarian. How many people do you know are true contrarians though and when their portfolio goes down by 50% are truly happy and say, "Yeah, I get to buy more of stock X at a discount!" Most of the time I hear that I do not think the person is happy but making excuses for his sagging portfolio. Peter Lynch said of being a contrarian, "I have met a lot of people smart enough to invest but do not have the stomach for it."
So 2020, as bad it was for others, was a good year for me.
Mongerer88
01-03-21, 04:08
Happy New Year to you, too.
I haven't explored the Montreal sugar scene. There are just so many escorts I want to see there in the $200-$300 Canadian dollar range, and so little time when I am there, that it never makes sense. I just emailed an escort there today to say Hello,. I probably wasted her time, but she was nice about it. I just wanted to get her in my contacts for when travel to Montreal is doable again.
I guess Seeking is so firmly entrenched in its position that it is not part of the sex work industry that it does not feel the need to go offshore. A great number of the USA Independent escorts I see now have Netherlands websites, so it certainly is the trend.
There was one USA Escort I follow on Twitter who got irritated at the perceived superiority of one of her Seeking friends and tweeted about showing her the posts she found online with a link to the Seeking profile that detailed the Seeking lady's prices and services. I found it amusing.
Time will tell if the publicity and those types of public posts ever create problems. It is certainly a different system than anything else, so who knows. Seeking doesn't ever seem to cross the line that the USA Government will argue in the Backpage case (if it ever goes to trial) that can't be crossed. Backpage allegedly would tell a customer whose ad was rejected due to solicitation concerns as to how to compose an acceptable ad. Seeking just kicks people off.
Hey Mongerer88, Happy New Year!
Since you have a lot of experience in Montreal, I was wondering if you have played in the MTL sugar bowl. It would seem to be a great city for SA. I always found Montreal women to be more libertine compared to other North American women.
In regards to SA being deemed a sexual procurement site, a MTL buddy of ours was banned from SA for sending out messages to the girls asking "how much?" and even maybe "condom required?' Haha. Anyways, I don't think he is poor or cheap. He's just a bit impatient.
Even if the SA site was domiciled in a tolerant country, isn't possible the USA Law enforcement could monkey around with the site through USA Internet providers? There is a Canadian escort ad site mentioned often where I can't see the photos here in the USA However, other sites that were shutdown by USA LE have come right back based in the Netherlands. It's all quite confusing and I don't think USA Law enforcement is sure of what is doing. They play sort of a sporadic whack-a-mole game with the internet sex sites. I'm also sure that international internet governance prevents them from trying to run around censoring the global internet.
Folks -- Need your opinion. Here is the message I received from a chick on SA.
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.
Steve 9696
01-03-21, 14:29
Folks -- Need your opinion. Here is the message I received from a chick on SA.
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.Well the short answer is run away. She's saying she wants something for nothing. Nope.
Longer answer is why did she even ask this? What did U say that make her think you are offering money for sex because this should never happen. The discussion should never get this explicit. Also is this discussion on SA or have you gone to text? I don't think I've ever had a discussion about a meetup right on SA. We always chat enough and get comfortable and go offline.
Easy thing is just ghost her. I guarantee she is not worth your time with that kind of dialog.
Hi you all,
Haven't really posted much here but used SA when I was in Lisbon and here is my report.
Girls quite a lot of them some seem to be scammers or just try and take advantage of you don't send any money before any meeting.
That should be obvious but you never know. Met with 6 girls PPM 2-300 3 of them stayed the night one of them for free.
Some of the girls take way to long to answer repeated with 2 of them only 1 of them I wouldn't have repeated with.Thank you for your contribution. I will add your results to our table. I had hoped Lisbon would be more like 100 - 200 EUR on average. Happy to see that you havn't been dissapointed as far as their looks are concerned.
Folks -- Need your opinion. Here is the message I received from a chick on SA.
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.Your guts already gave you the soundest advice you could possibly get: A person that genuinely wants to build trust before engaging in more, will not charge for initial meetings. Someone who is testing the boundaries, makes you the hope of "let's see where it goes" and wants you to to pay their bills in return for platonic dates, is highly likely trying to milk you.
Folks -- Need your opinion. Here is the message I received from a chick on SA.
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.Steve9696 hit the nail on the head. She is asking for compensation for coffee. This is a huge red flag in my book. My general rule is not to hand over any cash until after we have sealed our arrangement. It's the fairest way.
Cut bait and pull up some other fish.
02.
CarloRogue
01-03-21, 16:20
Folks -- Need your opinion. Here is the message I received from a chick on SA.
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.As everyone else says, drop her, but here's how I would break it down and why you would fail to get what you want, in bullet form:
- She's establishing the conditions and setting up the coffee date, and you have no frame (that's why you're asking the board what to do). The relationship, should there ever be one, would be lop-sided and inverted. As the pickup community would say, you need to establish your frame.
- Never discuss anything transactional on SA, even if she brings it up first and even if it is indirect. I would delete the thread and block her, so the moderators can't pin it on you in any way. Personally, I don't even exchange such details on a burner phone. Only in person, but that's just me and I know others are less risk averse.
- If you're looking for a genuine GND that likes older men, as I am, these types never bring up compensation in advance of a meeting, and usually let you take the lead.
- Her grammar sucks. She wrote a run-on sentence without punctuation, meaning she spent no time on it and doesn't care how it comes across. In effect, she doesn't value you and she's not trying to prove her worth. Or, her education is lacking. Either way, it's one of my flags. Not a hard & fast one, and if she had other compensating qualities, I can look past it, but in an environment of abundance, it's usually a disqualifier for me.
- On a slightly positive note, I do like coffee dates for a first meet (but uncompensated of course). If a girl asks for a fancy dinner on the first meet, it indicates a bit of sharkiness and materialism. But back to the first bullet, the man needs to set the date.
CR.
DramaFree11
01-03-21, 17:11
Steve9696 hit the nail on the head. She is asking for compensation for coffee. This is a huge red flag in my book. My general rule is not to hand over any cash until after we have sealed our arrangement. It's the fairest way.
Cut bait and pull up some other fish.
Run. I had an issue with this over the weekend. We agreed if there was connection, we would start an arrangement after we had drinks. She was nice, but did not dress up for the meeting and I was just not that attracted to her physically. I agreed to meet a second time, I offered to pay for her Uber. She declined then asked for money, I walked off. She later begged for Uber fair.
Elvis 2008
01-03-21, 17:44
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.Your gut is right. Anytime you sense that she is a scam artist she probably is.
AmericanPi
01-03-21, 21:17
Well the short answer is run away. She's saying she wants something for nothing. Nope.
Longer answer is why did she even ask this? What did U say that make her think you are offering money for sex because this should never happen. The discussion should never get this explicit. Also is this discussion on SA or have you gone to text? I don't think I've ever had a discussion about a meetup right on SA. We always chat enough and get comfortable and go offline.
Easy thing is just ghost her. I guarantee she is not worth your time with that kind of dialog.Steve is, as is usual, totally right.
I personally have not jumped in the SA game yet (waiting to be vaccinated), but I do lurk on SA to see what is out there and fantasize about how I'll play that game. And I'll say I'm actually impressed with how transparent many women are. Many are totally open saying that they are looking for online only relationships, or in person but no sex, or even "no guarantees but let's see where this goes" (IE "I'm maintaining the power in this relationship." To me, that would be a hard and immediate pass, absolutely no interest in engaging, but I do respect how they set their boundaries up front so you can not waste your time.
DramaFree11
01-04-21, 02:38
Steve is, as is usual, totally right.
I personally have not jumped in the SA game yet (waiting to be vaccinated), but I do lurk on SA to see what is out there and fantasize about how I'll play that game. And I'll say I'm actually impressed with how transparent many women are. Many are totally open saying that they are looking for online only relationships, or in person but no sex, or even "no guarantees but let's see where this goes" (IE "I'm maintaining the power in this relationship." To me, that would be a hard and immediate pass, absolutely no interest in engaging, but I do respect how they set their boundaries up front so you can not waste your time.On-line is totally a no go. Big waste of time. They are also going to ask for an allowance, Hell no, get a Life Coach cheaper.
Folks -- Need your opinion. Here is the message I received from a chick on SA.
"I don't have sex for money to meet up have coffee you can help me with my bills and we can see where it goes".
What do you think? Should I invest anything with the hope it may lead to something in the future?
My gut is to pass as it likely is just a carrot being dangled with no intention of sex in the future but wanted to get thoughts of the experienced members on this board.The whole idea of the pay for play scheme is to have as close to a sure thing as possible. If you are back to a traditional dating scheme where you only get sex if she deems you are worthy, you might as well go back to ordinary dating. These gals get hundreds of hits, and there are enough fools to pay in the hopes of success that your chance of success is 1%. As it stands, you are going to have to throw a bit of money out there just to play. No reason or logic in paying for the hopes of getting something. Steve is exactly right. Move on.
Steve 9696
01-06-21, 01:09
Lest you think all my SA dates are fruitful let me share the most interesting fail that happened recently. The moral of the story is if you feel like the chemistry is off a bit youre right. It's just not there and forcing it doesn't help.
So recall I had the closed mouth kiss with Arianna to end the night. But by text she assures me she's a passionate girl just shy at first. We agree to meetup again and I use the same line I used with Sarah "expand on that kiss" and she seems down to do so.
We meet at a little dive bar and have some snacks and drinks. Her drink is not very good and she's not drinking much but I am throwing them back. She's again awkward and shy and I am pretty sure this is going nowhere. Again in direct mode I say "I find you confusing. Your a really nice girl but I'm afraid we have no chemistry. We could do one of two things. Go to your car and make out and see or go to a hotel and make out and see. " She says she's on her period. I say that's ok we can figure fun without that. She says ok let's go to the hotel. I was really surprised.
So I book a last minute booking and we are in the room 10 minutes later. She's got a headache and doesn't want to drink (so her shields remain high). I'll spare the gory details but the kissing is pretty lame but I keep working some game. Eventually it's clear I am down for a BJ but she literally says "I don't give blowjobs". And I tell her that's super odd because I've never been with a girl that didn't. Again Long story short she eventually blows me and it's a very good BBBJ. But like totally without life or passion or chemistry. I bless her with a hot load in her mouth regardless because her technique is excellent. But it's just weird. Like being blown by your sister as a favor or something.
I did CashApp her some $$ which seems only fair but Next day we agree the chemistry is not there and move on. But frankly on very good terms. Like we gave it a go and good luck finding ur thing.
Oh well can't win them all. A few takeaways:
1. Awesome text vibe does not always lead to awesome in person vibe. Tho I still think its a leading indicator.
2. If u think the chemistry is off it probably is. But that doesnt mean I wont get off. Mixed results here recall I bedded Jesse right after she said I cant have sex with a guy I just met and it was passionate. And I managed to eek out a BJ here but mechanical.
3. Sex without passion just aint that great (for me)
4. When something feels off just say It. U can work thru it.
5. A fail doesnt have to be nasty. It can be a friendly fail.
Folks. Thanks for all your insights. This is what makes this forum awesome, learn from collective wisdom of each other.
The whole idea of the pay for play scheme is to have as close to a sure thing as possible. If you are back to a traditional dating scheme where you only get sex if she deems you are worthy, you might as well go back to ordinary dating. These gals get hundreds of hits, and there are enough fools to pay in the hopes of success that your chance of success is 1%. As it stands, you are going to have to throw a bit of money out there just to play. No reason or logic in paying for the hopes of getting something. Steve is exactly right. Move on.
CarloRogue
01-07-21, 05:18
A few takeaways:
1. Awesome text vibe does not always lead to awesome in person vibe. Tho I still think its a leading indicator.
2. If u think the chemistry is off it probably is. But that doesnt mean I wont get off. Mixed results here recall I bedded Jesse right after she said I cant have sex with a guy I just met and it was passionate. And I managed to eek out a BJ here but mechanical.
3. Sex without passion just aint that great (for me)
4. When something feels off just say It. U can work thru it.
5. A fail doesnt have to be nasty. It can be a friendly fail.This is one reason I avoid extended text messaging, and get right to the meet & greet as soon as possible. It's the only way to gauge chemistry, and that's essential to me as well, if you're into real sugar dating. A bit of flirtatious text banter ahead of the meet can help set the right mood for the date (as long as you can do it without sounding like a creep), but real girls want to meet, and there's simply no substitute for the short range exchange of pheromones. Incidentally, the hotter the girl, the quickest your close to in-person date needs to be, from my experience -they're just in too much demand for prolonged courtship, no matter how special you think you are. Where I differ is, if the connection isn't there, and sometimes it just isn't, I don't push it. I prefer things to develop organically. But otherwise, I agree that missed connections are best ended with a polite smile and a genuine thank you. Karma will reward you eventually.
DramaFree11
01-07-21, 15:57
This is one reason I avoid extended text messaging, and get right to the meet & greet as soon as possible. It's the only way to gauge chemistry, and that's essential to me as well, if you're into real sugar dating. A bit of flirtatious text banter ahead of the meet can help set the right mood for the date (as long as you can do it without sounding like a creep), but real girls want to meet, and there's simply no substitute for the short range exchange of pheromones. Incidentally, the hotter the girl, the quickest your close to in-person date needs to be, from my experience -they're just in too much demand for prolonged courtship, no matter how special you think you are. Where I differ is, if the connection isn't there, and sometimes it just isn't, I don't push it. I prefer things to develop organically. But otherwise, I agree that missed connections are best ended with a polite smile and a genuine thank you. Karma will reward you eventually.Yep, I do the same. Since I am primarily dealing with girls in MTY, I convert them to WhatsApp as soon as possible. The girls that are actually interested with switch, the others have many excuse why they will not, those are usually scammers, 85%. Everyone is on WhatsApp in Mexico now.
Midwestern
01-08-21, 08:29
This is one reason I avoid extended text messaging, and get right to the meet & greet as soon as possible. It's the only way to gauge chemistry, and that's essential to me as well,.For a moment there, I thought I wrote this post. I totally agree with this.
Midwestern
01-08-21, 08:47
I am a bit surprised that no one has raised this topic, but have any of you guys met married women on SA?
I met one married person on SA while I was in a small city in the states. She was totally into me based on my pic and profile, but I eventually decided to bail on her because I thought it would be too weird to be with a married chick, and I was also worried that her husband would find out and kill me.
However, I later had a great fling with a woman in San Francisco that I met on SA, and eventually she told me that she was married, but she was in a sexless marriage and that she desperately needed to have NSA sex. She said she tried different websites, but eventually decided that the most successful and the most alpha males were on SA. When it came to payment, she never cared about it too much, and just viewed any gift or cash as a nice bonus, but she didn't need the money. I have to say, the sex was incredible. She really was starving for sex. After that, I started to cruise SA to see if I could find other married women, and I did. I found two others that I hit it off with, and we tried to meet up, but both of them were so busy with their family lives, and so I never ended up meeting either of them.
The other weird thing is that every single one of these married women said that their husbands were okay with them having sex outside of their marriage.
Any of you guys have any experience with married women on SA?
BTW, I bring this up because my SB #2 is a married woman. She's been married for over 20 years. She said that the last time she had sex was over 6 years ago, when she had a previous affair. She too is sex starved. If I wanted to have sex with her for the entire day, she would be totally down for it. There were times when we were at it for several hours, and I wanted to stop or rest, but she would then climb on top of me and she would do all the work. She never wants to stop. I always have to tell her that I have to go to work, just so we can stop having sex. Recently, she told me that we could meet at her home, while her husband was away at work. Man, this sounds like something out of the 1980's. Do people still do this?
Steve 9696
01-08-21, 13:56
I am a bit surprised that no one has raised this topic, but have any of you guys met married women on SA?
I met one married person on SA while I was in a small city in the states. She was totally into me based on my pic and profile, but I eventually decided to bail on her because I thought it would be too weird to be with a married chick, and I was also worried that her husband would find out and kill me.
However, I later had a great fling with a woman in San Francisco that I met on SA, and eventually she told me that she was married, but she was in a sexless marriage and that she desperately needed to have NSA sex. She said she tried different websites, but eventually decided that the most successful and the most alpha males were on SA. When it came to payment, she never cared about it too much, and just viewed any gift or cash as a nice bonus, but she didn't need the money. I have to say, the sex was incredible. She really was starving for sex. After that, I started to cruise SA to see if I could find other married women, and I did. I found two others that I hit it off with, and we tried to meet up, but both of them were so busy with their family lives, and so I never ended up meeting either of them.
The other weird thing is that every single one of these married women said that their husbands were okay with them having sex outside of their marriage.
Any of you guys have any experience with married women on SA?
BTW, I bring this up because my SB #2 is a married woman. She's been married for over 20 years. She said that the last time she had sex was over 6 years ago, when she had a previous affair. She too is sex starved. If I wanted to have sex with her for the entire day, she would be totally down for it. There were times when we were at it for several hours, and I wanted to stop or rest, but she would then climb on top of me and she would do all the work. She never wants to stop. I always have to tell her that I have to go to work, just so we can stop having sex. Recently, she told me that we could meet at her home, while her husband was away at work. Man, this sounds like something out of the 1980's. Do people still do this?Well I think what you found in the married nympho is unusual, but yeh I've come across married women and yes the desire can be passionate. Early in my new city had a lunch date with a girl was married (26). Didn't work out. Turns out she had a six month old baby and suffering post partum depression so that was weird.
Turns out Sarah is married still! She told me she was divorced but later confessed she was still married and just filed. She was the most passionate sex I ever had. I say "was" because I just got the Dear John that she doesn't want to have sex anymore. I think I might have misplayed this a bit because we stopped doing the date part and just straight to hotel. I think her mind started to figure out she was selling sex and it rebelled given her upbringing. I suppose a lot of these girls where it’s their first time can be shortlived anyhow. Think we met five times and it was BBFS mostly so that’s pretty good.
Also my recent fail but get a BJ date was also married. She's only 21 now and got married young. She didn't tell me at first but confessed she is still technically married on date 2.
So both of those are not quite married and cheating. More technically married. But yeah I am surprised there are gals out there who "need it" when lots of us have gals at home that don't want it. LOL.
I am headed to CDMX in a couple weeks. I have started scouting on SA. Any good leads anyone might share?
CarloRogue
01-08-21, 16:15
I am a bit surprised that no one has raised this topic, but have any of you guys met married women on SA?Yes, and they come in different flavors. The type you describe is the older woman in a sexless marriage that is otherwise committed to her marriage. Usually they do this with the husband's consent, as in your case. I have also come across one that admitted she was doing it behind her husband's back, and that I would be her first affair. She had young kids, and I couldn't get past the idea of being a homewrecker, so I passed.
The second type is the swinger hotwife, usually a bit older like the first category, in a very open relationship and looking to post numbers so to speak (usually, although they won't come out and admit that). I've dabbled in the swinger scene for several years and have occasionally run across an SA profile of someone I had previously met at a swing event. Sometimes they're looking for a threesome with hubby, sometimes a partner to take to events and parties. I've always passed on these, since it's not the dynamic I come to SA for, and I can always have them via other means.
The last category is a relatively new phenomenon, which is the married girl (like early 20's) in an open relationship. It seems that many in the younger generation don't put the same traditional value into marriage that our generation does (or did). Perhaps they're trying to satisfy their parents by getting married, but they haven't lived out their single life yet, so they have an open marriage. I'm not sure, but it is a generational difference. I've had short term relationships with a couple of these. I say short term because they were really into it, but then suddenly ghosted me. I take it that their emotional needs are satisfied elsewhere, so it's harder to build any kind of friendship-like connection with them. But, these are really fun, I must confess. I had one young Asian mother a couple years ago, who was still lactating from giving birth just a few months prior. Just a crazy experience (got to check breastfeeding off the bucket list).
Blue Swede
01-09-21, 17:56
I met a girl via SA a couple of years ago, she is living in a city I visit a couple of times per year in my job.
Every time I am in town, we meet. I am 60+ and she is 31. She is slim, classy and very pretty. Sex is perfect. .
This has been ongoing for 3-4 years.
Already on the second date, I by "mistake" noticed a text message popping up on her phone while she was in the shower. A full name of the sender and a couple of hearts in the message. .
She had never told me her full name, but now it was a one minute job to find out all details via social media.
(Also found out that she had a job as a sales executive at a large company.).
She was clearly dating this 40+ guy, they also married and moved in together about two years ago.
All this time, and still (with a covid pause for the moment) she is still seeing me when I am in town.
I cannot understand why in the world she is (still) seeing me!?
She has a very handsome man, she is very pretty, she has a top job and she is problably well payed.
How do I fit in this picture, guy double her age? Help me to understand this! .
DramaFree11
01-09-21, 18:14
I met a girl via SA a couple of years ago, she is living in a city I visit a couple of times per year in my job.
Every time I am in town, we meet. I am 60+ and she is 31. She is slim, classy and very pretty. Sex is perfect. .
This has been ongoing for 3-4 years.
Already on the second date, I by "mistake" noticed a text message popping up on her phone while she was in the shower. A full name of the sender and a couple of hearts in the message. .
She had never told me her full name, but now it was a one minute job to find out all details via social media.
(Also found out that she had a job as a sales executive at a large company.).
She was clearly dating this 40+ guy, they also married and moved in together about two years ago.
All this time, and still (with a covid pause for the moment) she is still seeing me when I am in town.
I cannot understand why in the world she is (still) seeing me!?
She has a very handsome man, she is very pretty, she has a top job and she is problably well payed.
How do I fit in this picture, guy double her age? Help me to understand this! .Enjoy it, why it last, do not question the arrangement, have fun. One of the girls I am with in MTY is model, smoking hot and so nice. I ask myself the same questions, then I think about it. I will Continue to have fun and see what happens. I am 51 and she is 26, too much fun and some of the best sex of my life. Unfortunately I have not seen her for 2 weeks her parents are in town, but they are leaving Monday or Tuesday. I need to go back to Austin for work, but will be back the following week, depending on the lockdown, they are definitely getting stricter in Mexico.
Have fun.
Dickus Maximus
01-10-21, 01:50
...Eventually it's clear I am down for a BJ but she literally says "I don't give blowjobs". And I tell her that's super odd because I've never been with a girl that didn't. Again Long story short she eventually blows me and it's a very good BBBJ. But like totally without life or passion or chemistry. I bless her with a hot load in her mouth regardless because her technique is excellent....Something seems really off here. So she doesn't do blowjobs and then takes a load in her mouth? Did she run screaming to the bathroom or just sucked it down like a champ?
Steve 9696
01-10-21, 02:29
Something seems really off here. So she doesn't do blowjobs and then takes a load in her mouth? Did she run screaming to the bathroom or just sucked it down like a champ?Of course she does blowjobs. She was just putting up resistance that had to be broken thru. It was clear once broken thru that she knew her way around a dick. Actually she did that thing where she deep throat's and then uses her tongue at base of shaft. Only had this with a Vegas hooker before.
I've learned by reading a bit of PUA / Nanpa to be persistent and work thru this kind of resistance. I still think my crowning moment was with Jesse when she said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" only to work thru that resistance and fuck a short time later.
These were different tho. With Jesse it was a matter of kissing passionately and working her tits till she's worked up and then teasing her pussy till she said "OK we can fuck now. Just turn down the lights. " LOL. With Arianna it was more her proving she's not weird or stuck up. I left out a bit of the back and forth. When i said it was weird she said well i mean I used to. Actually I used to be a **** and I give a great blowjob. Of course I said oh interesting and at some point I said something about her showing me those skills.
So she did the BJ as a point of pride. She's a weird pretty damaged chick. And really a nice person under it all. I realize also that Jesse was only 20 and Arianna just turned 21. So younger girls. I notice a huge difference between 21 and 23 year olds. Girls grow up in those two years more than any other. On the other hand Valentina was 20 when she took me to the swingers club LOL. So YMMV.
And oh, she went and spit. But didn't make a big deal about it.
Midwestern
01-10-21, 05:55
Sometimes, once you're in, you're in forever. I've had several ex-GFs that later married, and ex-WGs that later went legit, and they are still DTF with me because, after us having done the deed a dozen plus times already, who cares if we do it a few more times? At least that's how I think their subconscious mind works. I currently have a situation similar to yours. She lives in a city that I visit once or twice per year. When I'm in town, we just meet for sex. No dating or anything. I just go over to her place and we do the deed. Been going on for almost 10 years now. Another FWB told me that she got engaged, but she said we'the still be FWBs. Not lying. Not bragging. I'm sure others have experienced the same. Enjoy it. Don't question it.
I met a girl via SA a couple of years ago, she is living in a city I visit a couple of times per year in my job.
Every time I am in town, we meet. I am 60+ and she is 31. She is slim, classy and very pretty. Sex is perfect. .
This has been ongoing for 3-4 years.
Already on the second date, I by "mistake" noticed a text message popping up on her phone while she was in the shower. A full name of the sender and a couple of hearts in the message. .
She had never told me her full name, but now it was a one minute job to find out all details via social media.
(Also found out that she had a job as a sales executive at a large company.).
She was clearly dating this 40+ guy, they also married and moved in together about two years ago.
All this time, and still (with a covid pause for the moment) she is still seeing me when I am in town.
I cannot understand why in the world she is (still) seeing me!?
She has a very handsome man, she is very pretty, she has a top job and she is problably well payed.
How do I fit in this picture, guy double her age? Help me to understand this! ..
Midwestern
01-10-21, 06:00
Ever tell a girl that "all girls are bad at giving BJs"? Sometimes, they cannot wait to prove you wrong, LOLOL.
Of course she does blowjobs. She was just putting up resistance that had to be broken thru. It was clear once broken thru that she knew her way around a dick. Actually she did that thing where she deep throat's and then uses her tongue at base of shaft. Only had this with a Vegas hooker before.
I've learned by reading a bit of PUA / Nanpa to be persistent and work thru this kind of resistance. I still think my crowning moment was with Jesse when she said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" only to work thru that resistance and fuck a short time later.
These were different tho. With Jesse it was a matter of kissing passionately and working her tits till she's worked up and then teasing her pussy till she said "OK we can fuck now. Just turn down the lights. " LOL. With Arianna it was more her proving she's not weird or stuck up. I left out a bit of the back and forth. When i said it was weird she said well i mean I used to. Actually I used to be a **** and I give a great blowjob. Of course I said oh interesting and at some point I said something about her showing me those skills.
So she did the BJ as a point of pride. She's a weird pretty damaged chick. And really a nice person under it all. I realize also that Jesse was only 20 and Arianna just turned 21. So younger girls. I notice a huge difference between 21 and 23 year olds. Girls grow up in those two years more than any other. On the other hand Valentina was 20 when she took me to the swingers club LOL. So YMMV.
And oh, she went and spit. But didn't make a big deal about it..
Elvis 2008
01-10-21, 07:19
She was clearly dating this 40+ guy, they also married and moved in together about two years ago.
All this time, and still (with a covid pause for the moment) she is still seeing me when I am in town.
I cannot understand why in the world she is (still) seeing me!?
She has a very handsome man, she is very pretty, she has a top job and she is problably well payed.
How do I fit in this picture, guy double her age? Help me to understand this!.It has been 10 years so I may as well brag now. Below are the photos of a married woman I was with. Two of the three photos are her and her fraternal twin sister.
I took the two of them to a business conference and let me tell you I know what it was like to be famous. Everyone wanted to talked to me and know what was up with me and them and I just said that these women worked for me. These two were actually smart enough to pull it off.
I do not know if the photos do her justice. When I saw her, I was like, "Damn, I think that is her. I hope that is her." When I took her on another trip, every minute somebody stopped us and asked of a pic of her. Maybe the pics do not do her justice, but she was a 10.
So why was she with me? Well, I did not know she was married at first. Slowly, the story came out. She had female surgery and her husband claimed to be unable to cum with masturbating and was suffering from blue balls. She fucked him and it was incredibly painful for her. She later found out that he had porn and masturbated all the time, and she was furious about that.
She was a housewife not working and frequently found fault with him and her kids. As hot as she was, I think even he got kind of tired of her. When they had sex, he would finish in less than a minute. She was so unsatisfied that she was like why even bother?
Then one time she came home to find lingerie near her bed that was not hers. I am sure he was handsome, and he was a military guy. When I was not talking to her about his sex life, I could tell she loved him and admired him. Also, he was supporting her and their children. Maybe he was the kind of sexual scum she was talking about but I could see how she drove him to be like that.
A few months after seeing me, she sadly got raped. She was afraid to let any man touch her but me and her husband, and he was not satisfying her. I saw her every three months or so. She would get up and ride me as long as I could stand it. She was so happy fucking me. Man did that woman have endurance. She even confessed to dreaming about my penis one time before we met.
I mentioned being a little more serious one time and was shot down which kind of pissed me off. She also wanted huge $$ and she could get it. If she were an escort, she could make $700 an hour easy, and I was just paying her $500 for a day or several hours. Thing is that I was seeing women who were just in good in bed for half that and I eventually felt a little guilty about the marriage thing. Part of the time when I was seeing her, I went through a divorce, and I have to say I kind of resented her living off her husband while talking shit about him. That hit too close to home for me.
So Blue Swede, to answer your question, why is she with you? Honestly, you are probably a better fuck than you think. A lot of guys do not give a shit about pleasing their wife, and they are off fucking new and strange. I am sick of women that I see for a time that inevitably do not care about how they perform in the bedroom. With my ex, eventually, there was no oral sex, and we only did missionary. She may be a great fuck for you but horrible for him doing the one position no oral shit I endured. I would be shocked if the husband is not playing around too.
I assumed good looking men are great in the bedroom, but I was surprised when a black woman I was with told me that I was better than most black athletes. Hell, she even mentioned football and basketball players by name. These men have chiseled bodies and I assumed were very well hung. I didn't believe her but when you have five or ten women tell you something and they are screaming with an orgasm and telling you how great you are, I did finally think there was something to it. What I have found is that a lot of the "great looking" guys are all roided up and cannot get an erection. Either that or they expect the women to do all the work. She mentioned one basketball player and said, "he is the only guy I have been with who is as good as you." I was like. WTF?
When a 25 year old Colombian fucked me the first time, she said it was the best fuck she ever had, and I finally believed it. I am in my 50's, could stand to lose a few pounds, and do not fit anyone's stereotype of what a good lover looks like. This time I am not bragging. Only reason I am bringing this up is do not concede that you are a worse lover than her husband. You probably care more about pleasing your woman than he does.
So why did the blonde fuck me? I was a nice guy, generous, good in the sack, and she felt safe with me. I wish I would have had the confidence 10 years ago that I have today. I would have been unstoppable, but I had a wife who could shame Mother Theresa, and I stupidly put up with her shit.
Blue Swede
01-10-21, 17:36
Sometimes, once you're in, you're in forever. I've had several ex-GFs that later married, and ex-WGs that later went legit, and they are still DTF with me because, after us having done the deed a dozen plus times already, who cares if we do it a few more times? At least that's how I think their subconscious mind works. I currently have a situation similar to yours. She lives in a city that I visit once or twice per year. When I'm in town, we just meet for sex. No dating or anything. I just go over to her place and we do the deed. Been going on for almost 10 years now. Another FWB told me that she got engaged, but she said we'the still be FWBs. Not lying. Not bragging. I'm sure others have experienced the same. Enjoy it. Don't question it.
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Enjoy it, why it last, do not question the arrangement, have fun. One of the girls I am with in MTY is model, smoking hot and so nice. I ask myself the same questions, then I think about it. I will Continue to have fun and see what happens. I am 51 and she is 26, too much fun and some of the best sex of my life. Unfortunately I have not seen her for 2 weeks her parents are in town, but they are leaving Monday or Tuesday. I need to go back to Austin for work, but will be back the following week, depending on the lockdown, they are definitely getting stricter in Mexico.
Have fun.Thanks for the replies!
I will of course not question this. I have tried to briefly discuss the topic och her "boyfriend", as she mentioned that she had met a guy and didn't know how that will develope in future. (that was about the time they married).
She just change subject and I will not push it.
Interesting is than she lately prefer to meet either early evening (like 5 pm) or mornings, so I guess she does this on her way to or from work. .
Suits me perfect. I can meet another SB in the evening and get a nice "room service" in the morning!
I am just waiting for this pandemic situation to end, as everybody else.
DramaFree11
01-10-21, 17:49
Thanks for the replies!
I will of course not question this. I have tried to briefly discuss the topic och her "boyfriend", as she mentioned that she had met a guy and didn't know how that will develope in future. (that was about the time they married).
She just change subject and I will not push it.
Interesting is than she lately prefer to meet either early evening (like 5 pm) or mornings, so I guess she does this on her way to or from work. .
Suits me perfect. I can meet another SB in the evening and get a nice "room service" in the morning!
I am just waiting for this pandemic situation to end, as everybody else.Have fun, enjoy the ride. I have a couple of girls that can only meet during the day. At first I real did not enjoy meeting during the day, but they understand if work calls, I have to do my job.
The Pandemic and Lockdowns totally suck.
DramaFree11
01-10-21, 19:13
It has been 10 years so I may as well brag now. Below are the photos of a married woman I was with. Two of the three photos are her and her fraternal twin sister.
I took the two of them to a business conference and let me tell you I know what it was like to be famous. Everyone wanted to talked to me and know what was up with me and them and I just said that these women worked for me. These two were actually smart enough to pull it off.
I do not know if the photos do her justice. When I saw her, I was like, "Damn, I think that is her. I hope that is her." When I took her on another trip, every minute somebody stopped us and asked of a pic of her. Maybe the pics do not do her justice, but she was a 10.
So why was she with me? Well, I did not know she was married at first. Slowly, the story came out. She had female surgery and her husband claimed to be unable to cum with masturbating and was suffering from blue balls. She fucked him and it was incredibly painful for her. She later found out that he had porn and masturbated all the time, and she was furious about that.
She was a housewife not working and frequently found fault with him and her kids. As hot as she was, I think even he got kind of tired of her. When they had sex, he would finish in less than a minute. She was so unsatisfied that she was like why even bother?..Awesome, report as usual. We have many things in common. I like Moscow much better the Colombia, but I may have to meet you in Bogota one trip, when al this crap blew over.
Midwestern
01-11-21, 01:03
It has been 10 years so I may as well brag now. Below are the photos of a married woman I was with. Two of the three photos are her and her fraternal twin sister.
t.Excellent report! Thanks for sharing your experiences. A lot of what you said hits the nail on the head.
Elvis 2008
01-11-21, 11:14
Excellent report! Thanks for sharing your experiences. A lot of what you said hits the nail on the head.
Awesome, report as usual. We have many things in common. I like Moscow much better the Colombia, but I may have to meet you in Bogota one trip, when al this crap blew over.Thanks guys, DF, I really liked St. Petersburg much more than Moscow although I was very young when I was there. I recall the woman in St. Pete being better looking too. Have you been there? I definitely want to check Russia out. I am going to be fucking everything in sight after I finish getting my Covid vaccines.
I just wanted the input of you and all the other guys on this. Things have gotten somewhat back to normal in my life. I met a 25 year old girl off seeking that checks all the boxes for a wife. She has plans to marry me and have a kid with me, and I have not agreed to marry her but I have not shut her down either. A lot of guys do not believe me when I say I have gone to Colombia met women off seeking and fucked them for no cash, but I have, and she is one of many. I have paid the usual BF stuff like meals and hotel rooms but that is it. She is determined to show that she is not with me for money. (She has birth control implant and I still pull out BTW).
And then it hit me that I do not want to have a kid, and I am really unsure about being married again. I met a lot of older men chasing young tail, and I thought it looked pathetic but I have so many married friends and both partners are miserable like I used to be before my divorce. And these older guys at least looked happy. Someone here even commented that the pursuit of pussy kept him young, and I could see that being me.
This 25 year old Colombian is not the only one. I have four women constantly texting me telling me they love me. I like rotating them around and keeping things fresh. If one of the women gets bitchy or does not perform, I play it cool with her at best or dump her at worst.
With my ex-wife and fiancé, once I promised to be faithful to them, the desire to please me sexually stopped. I was like. Is this normal? Because for me it was not okay. Getting committed with me meant getting trapped into an unsatisfying sexual relationship. I gave more, and they gave less.
I was looking for answers and came upon this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PTFKLP6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o01?ie=UTF8&psc=1.
The title is analyzing the ROI (return on investment) on the Pursuit of Women. He used eight criteria to disqualify women as not marriage material. One was being a single mom where you raise someone else's kid. 40% of American women between the ages of 18 and 35 are already single moms. 15% have self mutilated, and 25% have herpes. 60% of women are obese. When using all eight criteria, that knocked out close to 98% of all women.
Then there is the issue of whether the women want to date you. That is even worse. Only one in 200 women who are in the eligible pool will agree to date an average guy with an average income. People ask me why I use seeking and go to places like strip clubs to meet women, and I did not want to tell them the truth, but I guess there is no shame in it now. I looked for women in those places because those were the only places I could meet women who were not hideous. I did not know that was to be expected.
He then showed that your odds on you having a happy marriage was 16% but the odds of getting a divorce was 50%.
If you count the average amount a guy spends on wooing, maintaining, and disposing of a woman, that lifetime cost is $260,000. When you factor in emotional costs, he said basically your whole life you are working to pay for a woman.
His answer was to focus on improving yourself which I agree with. He then said not to run out and get a mistress but to date as many women as possible. He said most guys do not date that many women before getting married. But If you date 100 women, you will find two who are potential wife material.
It is this last point where I think the author is being a pussy. If your odds with marriage are 3 to 1 in favor of you going through the hell that is divorce versus a happy marriage, shouldn't we just give up on that idea? Shouldn't we focus on getting mistresses and saving our fucking money?
I am one hell of a lot happier having a bunch of sugar babies I rotate then I did having one woman. Am I missing something? Is society fucked up or are we?
It has been 10 years so I may as well brag now. Below are the photos of a married woman I was with. Two of the three photos are her and her fraternal twin sister.Did you post photos?
Steve 9696
01-11-21, 20:14
Had a nice conversation last night with an SA girl who is had two year long arrangements in the past. She's pretty but nothing th write home about. Start planning a meetup and allowance comes up. I say let's just say what we both did in the past. I say I've done ppm of 200-400. She says we're are far apart and she is sad. I press and say what she has done. She seemed honest when she says 750 and 1000 ppm! Wtf? This is overnight but still OMFG. And this is a second tier city.
Best of luck to her. She's going to be looking a looooong time. Pretty sure I will no longer be fucking due to old age when she finds her daddy!
DramaFree11
01-11-21, 23:20
Had a nice conversation last night with an SA girl who is had two year long arrangements in the past. She's pretty but nothing th write home about. Start planning a meetup and allowance comes up. I say let's just say what we both did in the past. I say I've done ppm of 200-400. She says we're are far apart and she is sad. I press and say what she has done. She seemed honest when she says 750 and 1000 ppm! Wtf? This is overnight but still OMFG. And this is a second tier city.
Best of luck to her. She's going to be looking a looooong time. Pretty sure I will no longer be fucking due to old age when she finds her daddy!I have also noticed an increase in initial demands from girls, in MTY. I respond that there is a global pandemic and magor lockdowns in Mexico. Some agree. If they are not reasonable, I just move on. Many girls are very happy with $ 150-200 per meeting. Most of the girls I am with range from 6-7 with some 8's. I am 51 years old and the oldest girl I am with is 27, she is smoking hot and even a nicer person. I love being around her she never complains. She calls and texts me almost daily. Most of the other girls are between 20-23. Living the dream.
Midwestern
01-12-21, 01:49
Steve, you just reminded me of another type of SB to avoid! Every time I met an SB that was coming off of a LT arrangement, their asking prices were sky high. I did have one exception, but her former SD was about 20 years older than me, and so she was happy to be with me, even though the arrangement was for way lower than what she was used to, simply because I wasn't a senior citizen.
Had a nice conversation last night with an SA girl who is had two year long arrangements in the past. She's pretty but nothing th write home about. Start planning a meetup and allowance comes up. I say let's just say what we both did in the past. I say I've done ppm of 200-400. She says we're are far apart and she is sad. I press and say what she has done. She seemed honest when she says 750 and 1000 ppm! Wtf? This is overnight but still OMFG. And this is a second tier city.
Best of luck to her. She's going to be looking a looooong time. Pretty sure I will no longer be fucking due to old age when she finds her daddy!.
CarloRogue
01-12-21, 02:47
...She seemed honest when she says....Rule #2: Never believe what a sugar baby says. I've heard the 'my former SD gave me XXXX' so many times that they can't all be true. It's a negotiating position. Make a counter, if you like. Or not, and move on. There's just no reason to believe anything they say, which is fine. That's one of the great things about sugar dating, as I see it.
DramaFree11
01-12-21, 03:04
Rule #2: Never believe what a sugar baby says. I've heard the 'my former SD gave me XXXX' so many times that they can't all be true. It's a negotiating position. Make a counter, if you like. Or not, and move on. There's just no reason to believe anything they say, which is fine. That's one of the great things about sugar dating, as I see it.Exactly, not as much of issue in Moscow or Mexico, but in the States, yes. I usually just laughed at the be. S.
DramaFree11
01-12-21, 03:09
Steve,
You just reminded me of another type of SB to avoid! Every time I met an SB that was coming off of a LT arrangement, their asking prices were sky high. I did have one exception, but her former SD was about 20 years older than me, and so she was happy to be with me, even though the arrangement was for way lower than what she was used to, simply because I wasn't a senior citize.
Usually I agree with everything you say, but I slightly disagrees on this one. I think the girls that are actively on-ine SA. Are more likely to ask for more money. The reason why is you got these guys that are on the computer all day and actually never meet with any girls. They promise these girls the world, then they never actually meet with them. Very easy to lie when you are behind a computer and never go out in the real world. Many of you guys and pointed out some of these guys on other pages, as have I.
Elvis 2008
01-13-21, 01:11
Start planning a meetup and allowance comes up. I say let's just say what we both did in the past. I say I've done ppm of 200-400. She says we're are far apart and she is sad. I press and say what she has done. She seemed honest when she says 750 and 1000 ppm! Wtf? This is overnight but still OMFG. And this is a second tier city.
Best of luck to her. She's going to be looking a looooong time. Pretty sure I will no longer be fucking due to old age when she finds her daddy!Like the other guys mentioned, you bail on the one's who have had a previous SB. When you do a search on SA, I think the default is to find most recently active and it is probably a good idea to go to newest member on the search tab at least some of the time.
One of the things I learned is strip clubs was to have a short memory. You see one you like and ask her for a dance and she says yes and for whatever reason blows you off, you just move on to the next. I used to get upset when a woman told me yes and didn't show up. When you befriend the managers, you get insight into how crazy many of those women are.
In your case, Steve, this woman turns you down because she just does not how she would feel accepting "only" 400 dollars. She does not feel like a working girl for 750 but at 400 she does. It is not worth her time like anyone would pay her a $100 an hour for doing anything else.
As far as all those unpaid bills sitting on her desk and all her student loan debt, that is okay. She feels fine not paying those.
Steve 9696
01-13-21, 02:17
Thanks guys, DF, I really liked St. Petersburg much more than Moscow although I was very young when I was there. I recall the woman in St. Pete being better looking too. Have you been there? I definitely want to check Russia out. I am going to be fucking everything in sight after I finish getting my Covid vaccines.
I just wanted the input of you and all the other guys on this. Things have gotten somewhat back to normal in my life. I met a 25 year old girl off seeking that checks all the boxes for a wife. She has plans to marry me and have a kid with me, and I have not agreed to marry her but I have not shut her down either. A lot of guys do not believe me when I say I have gone to Colombia met women off seeking and fucked them for no cash, but I have, and she is one of many. I have paid the usual BF stuff like meals and hotel rooms but that is it. She is determined to show that she is not with me for money. (She has birth control implant and I still pull out BTW).
And then it hit me that I do not want to have a kid, and I am really unsure about being married again. I met a lot of older men chasing young tail, and I thought it looked pathetic but I have so many married friends and both partners are miserable like I used to be before my divorce. And these older guys at least looked happy. Someone here even commented that the pursuit of pussy kept him young, and I could see that being me.
This 25 year old Colombian is not the only one. I have four women constantly texting me telling me they love me. I like rotating them around and keeping things fresh. If one of the women gets bitchy or does not perform, I play it cool with her at best or dump her at worst.
With my ex-wife and fianc, once I promised to be faithful to them, the desire to please me sexually stopped. I was like. Is this normal? Because for me it was not okay. Getting committed with me meant getting trapped into an unsatisfying sexual relationship. I gave more, and they gave less.
I was looking for answers and came upon this book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PTFKLP6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o01?ie=UTF8&psc=1.
The title is analyzing the ROI (return on investment) on the Pursuit of Women. He used eight criteria to disqualify women as not marriage material. One was being a single mom where you raise someone else's kid. 40% of American women between the ages of 18 and 35 are already single moms. 15% have self mutilated, and 25% have herpes. 60% of women are obese. When using all eight criteria, that knocked out close to 98% of all women.
Then there is the issue of whether the women want to date you. That is even worse. Only one in 200 women who are in the eligible pool will agree to date an average guy with an average income. People ask me why I use seeking and go to places like strip clubs to meet women, and I did not want to tell them the truth, but I guess there is no shame in it now. I looked for women in those places because those were the only places I could meet women who were not hideous. I did not know that was to be expected.
He then showed that your odds on you having a happy marriage was 16% but the odds of getting a divorce was 50%.
If you count the average amount a guy spends on wooing, maintaining, and disposing of a woman, that lifetime cost is $260,000. When you factor in emotional costs, he said basically your whole life you are working to pay for a woman.
His answer was to focus on improving yourself which I agree with. He then said not to run out and get a mistress but to date as many women as possible. He said most guys do not date that many women before getting married. But If you date 100 women, you will find two who are potential wife material.
It is this last point where I think the author is being a pussy. If your odds with marriage are 3 to 1 in favor of you going through the hell that is divorce versus a happy marriage, shouldn't we just give up on that idea? Shouldn't we focus on getting mistresses and saving our fucking money?
I am one hell of a lot happier having a bunch of sugar babies I rotate then I did having one woman. Am I missing something? Is society fucked up or are we?Well you are going to get biased advice here clearly. But I think he's right. I think the odds of a long term sexually satisfying marriage is about 1-2%. No one tells us this going in. You have the benefit of experiencing it already. US women (maybe others) land their man and become fat and lazy and privileged. And expect us to just foot the bill. It's just wrong. I've chosen to stay married but I would be fucking insane if I didn't have my girls. I'm a much better husband when I'm fucking hotties. LOL.
Summary is no matter how awesome any of these girls ARE that is not the woman they will be and you are locked in. I'the advise never get locked in again. We all get locked in by buying into a dream that is not real and pay the remainder of our lives. You have gotten out. Don't get back in!
DonCarlos1234
01-13-21, 07:45
WOW took some time but I discovered this sub group! OK, this is going to be fun! Elvis and friends. Do you know anyone that can promise they would be happy with ONE person sexually (in Love) their entire life? Not living on an island, living where there are options! I tried, lasted 10 years. I totally relate to Elvis posts.
So, How many of SA members are also ISG members and how many go to Mexico & Colombia? Above 50? Under 500?
Do we do this for the "game" of mongering / searching for friends with benefits or looking for quickie / hookups?
Before Covid I met the "genius" pick up artist / instructors at Real Social Dynamics. They had guys paying in excess of $5,000 to learn the ropes. Hang out in clubs and get laid. (successfully) Additionally there are (well before Covid) lots of Marriage agency tours for around the same amount. (test the merchandise 1st is one of their suggestions) So here we are somewhere in between pay as you go, not free and we want a 10 but settle for an 8 if necessary (and hope she is a non-pro. Am I getting this right?
I head for Tijuana next weekend (covid restrictions permitting) and am looking at all these options. My SA contact list is 60 days old but I notice the girls are still looking at my profile. I will confess something here (since you all don't know me) My mom married for money! I totally understand why. I make no moral judgement on what the girls do to make a living or survive. I just wonder if it's more realistic to accept that relationships are not always perfect and be content with friends with benefits, with a lot of friends!
I have to reconstruct my last months travel lessons and I will post after next week! Hope I make it to MX.
Elvis 2008
01-13-21, 09:39
US women (maybe others) land their man and become fat and lazy and privileged. And expect us to just foot the bill. It's just wrong. I've chosen to stay married but I would be fucking insane if I didn't have my girls.Yeah, you are right, Steve, I know it, but I am not 100% when it comes to feeling it, and I like confirmation from others so thanks for confirming it. Thing is that when you feel a certain way, and you all have all of society saying marriage is the thing to do, I just wonder if I may have missed something.
One other thing that may not be BS all the time but I found to be true with my divorce was that divorce is hard on the kids. During the proceedings it is hard but afterwards? Once the divorce was over and the ex was no longer around doing things like forcing religion down his throat, my son thrived. My ex could shame Mother Theresa.
I think most male behavior can be explained by the Coolidge Effect:
The term "Coolidge effect" was first suggested by behavioral endocrinologist Frank A. Beach in 1958. He attributed the neologism to:
An old joke about Calvin Coolidge when he was President. The President and Mrs. Coolidge were being shown separately around an experimental government farm. When Mrs. Coolidge came to the chicken yard she noticed that a rooster was mating very frequently. She asked the attendant how often that happened and was told, "Dozens of times each day. " Mrs. Coolidge said, "Tell that to the President when he comes by. " Upon being told, the President asked, "Same hen every time?" The reply was, "Oh, no, Mr. President, a different hen every time. " President: "Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge."
Steve 9696
01-13-21, 13:51
So when we met a couple weeks ago, during pillow talk, I told Layla that it's hard to be completely into her because of her light kissing and BJ. Well she s no fool. She doesn't want to lose her daddy $$ source. So we plan a new meetup and she says she's going to do a lot better on the BJ. And even tho she's pretty much a pro I think I will treat her better and take her out to a nice restaurant.
At dinner, she orders a salad. There's lots of good stuff on the menu so I'm a bit surprised maybe she's watching her weight. Nope. About halfway in during our chat she says "A girls got to eat light if she's going to suck dick. " LOL. I literally laughed out loud. That's my girl.
Sure enough she totally redeemed herself. BBBJ on my back. BBBJ sitting on end of the bed. BLS. The whole buffet. At one point she goes to pee and asks if I'm ready for what's next and I assume she means fucking and get suited up. She comes out and says "huh? Oh I'm not done with you yet!" And lose the condom and move to the chair for more fun. Eventually we fuck but what a nice ton of leadup. Totally redeemed herself.
CatLover123
01-13-21, 15:58
I have recently joining the forum and posts like this are completely changing my perception on how I used to imagine these things as just DFF.
So when we met a couple weeks ago, during pillow talk, I told Layla that it's hard to be completely into her because of her light kissing and BJ. Well she s no fool. She doesn't want to lose her daddy $$ source. So we plan a new meetup and she says she's going to do a lot better on the BJ. And even tho she's pretty much a pro I think I will treat her better and take her out to a nice restaurant.
At dinner, she orders a salad. There's lots of good stuff on the menu so I'm a bit surprised maybe she's watching her weight. Nope. About halfway in during our chat she says "A girls got to eat light if she's going to suck dick. " LOL. I literally laughed out loud. That's my girl.
Sure enough she totally redeemed herself. BBBJ on my back. BBBJ sitting on end of the bed. BLS. The whole buffet. At one point she goes to pee and asks if I'm ready for what's next and I assume she means fucking and get suited up. She comes out and says "huh? Oh I'm not done with you yet!" And lose the condom and move to the chair for more fun. Eventually we fuck but what a nice ton of leadup. Totally redeemed herself.
Steve 9696
01-13-21, 18:41
I have recently joining the forum and posts like this are completely changing my perception on how I used to imagine these things as just DFF.DFF has quite a few slang meanings. What does DFF stand for in above context?
RandomWanderer
01-13-21, 20:16
On this topic I have to agree yes there are a lot of them on SA in Europe where I live.
Had one girl from Helsinki who had everything except sex and intimacy in her marriage. And her husband hated Anal sex so I became the substitution to playing with her butt. Which was her favorite that were not enjoyed for almost 6 years (before I came into the picture.
Another one from London seemed to not be married or in relationship when we talked. But she had kids but were slim and wanted to try Anal sex. So ofc I invited and flew her over for a weekend and turned out she had a ring on her finger and didn't want to talk about it.
Both gave me a bit of a sour after taste because I firmly believe in marriage to stay like a marriage, or be fucking open to your partner what you do.
So nowadays I'm digging harder in their life situation before I offer to fly them to me.
But everyone I met that are married I felt like it's all about recognition for the women. They crave for someone to enjoy their bodies and feel like they are still "in the game" and wanted.
I'm below 50 years of age and look young.
Midwestern
01-14-21, 06:04
I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.
On this topic I have to agree yes there are a lot of them on SA in Europe where I live.
Had one girl from Helsinki who had everything except sex and intimacy in her marriage. And her husband hated Anal sex so I became the substitution to playing with her butt. Which was her favorite that were not enjoyed for almost 6 years (before I came into the picture.
Another one from London seemed to not be married or in relationship when we talked. But she had kids but were slim and wanted to try Anal sex. So ofc I invited and flew her over for a weekend and turned out she had a ring on her finger and didn't want to talk about it.
Both gave me a bit of a sour after taste because I firmly believe in marriage to stay like a marriage, or be fucking open to your partner what you do.
So nowadays I'm digging harder in their life situation before I offer to fly them to me.
But everyone I met that are married I felt like it's all about recognition for the women. They crave for someone to enjoy their bodies and feel like they are still "in the game" and wanted.
I'm below 50 years of age and look young.
Midwestern
01-14-21, 06:24
Do you guys think this is a good idea? In Shanghai, it is quite common for married men to have mistresses, and as part of the deal, the man rents an apartment for their mistress. I am thinking about doing this for my main SB. It's kind of hilarious because I'm an American. So, I might be one of the first Americans to have a kept mistress in China (eh, now that I think of it, I'm sure it's been done thousands of times by foreigners before me).
Here are the financial details: Rent is 6000 RMB (about $900) per month. Her monthly SB allowance is 8000 RMB (about $1200).
I have known her for several months now. She is a super great lay, great body, pretty face, she's about half my age, and she's pretty fun to hang out with too. And I think she genuinely likes me. However, after having been with her for several months now, it is starting to get stale. So, we are proceeding with a 2 month rental for now, to see how it goes.
Right now, my main concerns are that she will meet other men at this apartment, but oh well. And that eventually the neighbors and security guards will know us, and maybe they will call the police. I am an American, and so I will always stand out. We plan on arriving at the apartment separately, but still. And I think she is going to continue living at her regular place, so we are just using this apartment for us to meet, and that too will draw the security guards' and neighbors's attentions, if we are only showing up during the day time.
Any thoughts on any of this? I am also thinking about using this apartment to meet other GFs, SBs, and WGs there, but not sure about this part yet.
BTW, for any of you guys who know my recent history, you will know that I rented an apartment as a place to meet SBs, GFs, and WGs. The amazing part was that there was no lease involved. It was all a cash transaction deal, so there's nothing that officially connects me to this apartment. Even the utility bills are paid for by the landlord. During the first couple of weeks, I was there almost every day shagging someone. But now the security guards, front desk people, and many neighbors know me, and they all give me dirty looks. My main SB refuses to return there, and I am also scared to return there as well, because any of these uptight neighbors could call the police or register a complaint. So, this is why I am thinking about letting my main SB rent a place for us, and in a place that more private.
I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.Same here. It is incredibly dangerous for the girl. Being in a foreign place by yourself to meet a stranger is insane. Either the girl is desperate (not a good reason to meet) or naive (which presents its own problems.) But if it works for you in your venue, who am I to disagree. The risk to you is very minor besides the cost.
Do you guys think this is a good idea? In Shanghai, it is quite common for married men to have mistresses, and as part of the deal, the man rents an apartment for their mistress. I am thinking about doing this for my main SB. It's kind of hilarious because I'm an American. So, I might be one of the first Americans to have a kept mistress in China (eh, now that I think of it, I'm sure it's been done thousands of times by foreigners before me).
Here are the financial details: Rent is 6000 RMB (about $900) per month. Her monthly SB allowance is 8000 RMB (about $1200).
I have known her for several months now. She is a super great lay, great body, pretty face, she's about half my age, and she's pretty fun to hang out with too. And I think she genuinely likes me. However, after having been with her for several months now, it is starting to get stale. So, we are proceeding with a 2 month rental for now, to see how it goes.
Right now, my main concerns are that she will meet other men at this apartment, but oh well. And that eventually the neighbors and security guards will know us, and maybe they will call the police. I am an American, and so I will always stand out. We plan on arriving at the apartment separately, but still. And I think she is going to continue living at her regular place, so we are just using this apartment for us to meet, and that too will draw the security guards' and neighbors's attentions, if we are only showing up during the day time..You are trading off one problem for another. Your system requires trust among the parties where people have an incentive to report. You said your landlord has several places. Can she recommend or suggest a place with more "privacy?" What would be almost ideal is if you can get a "job" working at this place as either security or maintaince. You don't have to get paid. Just gives you an excuse to be there at any time as long as you don't show up with the girl and are seen entering her apt. If you can get the landlord to introduce you to the staff, it almost guarantees that everyone will be quiet. The other alternative is if there is a sublet market. But in some ways, you have a very good problem compared to the rest of us.
You could also do things to reduce your risks. For example, how you dress says a lot. What if you came with tools and a working mans outfit. You can change later. People may be confused enough not to put the pieces together. They might just think you are doing work there. The girl can be the "interior designer. " The fantasy can add some spice to your sex life if you are sharp.
NicFrenchy
01-14-21, 07:43
letting my main SB rent a place for us, and in a place that more private.Is there anything against AirBnB? I think this would fit perfectly for you. You could change places and areas very often, it would amount to about the same monthly fee of 6000 RMB (roughly).
Long term rental is never a good idea because you're pretty easy to find and have a predictable pattern.
Elvis 2008
01-14-21, 08:00
I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.MW,
Let me tell you how that goes. I would do this with women I had met previously. I would buy the ticket and one out of every two times the women would cancel or not come. Three times I had women cancel and claimed to have a sick father (never the mother), and one friend started giving me shit about it. He said every time I bought an airline ticket my state would have a surge of paternal deaths.
So 50% showed up and that was with women I had banged and had a decent relationship with. With a woman you do not know, I cannot see how the percentage would be better.
Midwestern
01-14-21, 10:50
Is there anything against AirBnB? I think this would fit perfectly for you. You could change places and areas very often, it would amount to about the same monthly fee of 6000 RMB (roughly).
Long term rental is never a good idea because you're pretty easy to find and have a predictable pattern.I gave this serious thought. But most places require ID. And also mobile transfer pay. Both can leave a trail too.
In addition, I heard some Chinese apartment owners have hidden cameras in their units, to make sure tenants aren't stealing stuff.
This rental is only for 2 months for now. I'll see how it goes.
I gave this serious thought. But most places require ID. And also mobile transfer pay. Both can leave a trail too.
In addition, I heard some Chinese apartment owners have hidden cameras in their units, to make sure tenants aren't stealing stuff.
This rental is only for 2 months for now. I'll see how it goes.AirBnB does not allow hidden camera. I know host can still use it but not likely if you use a host with many reviews. I wonder how they would track you if you register in US.
I think you are overthinking this because you are married but people who don't know you do not know that.
Steve 9696
01-14-21, 18:44
I met many girls on SA that said they could fly to meet me. Man, does this often go well? Anyone else have any experience with this? Given that chemistry is rare, I do not think this would be a good gamble.Yeah follow your intuition here. It's not going to work. She's going to need money for ticket etc and you don't know her from Adam. With the three I have flown I've gotten pretty lucky that two out of three didn't screw me over and it was fabulous. But Valentina took me for a $3000 ride and I thought I knew her well (21 hours together which is 2-4 X what I spent with Alexa and Thifany when I flew them). So an unknown? No way.
CarloRogue
01-14-21, 20:24
AirBnB does not allow hidden camera. I know host can still use it but not likely if you use a host with many reviews. I wonder how they would track you if you register in US.
I think you are overthinking this because you are married but people who don't know you do not know that.The last time rented an AirBnB, I had to upload ID to AirBnB. The host doesn't get direct access to your ID according to AirBnB, they just receive third party verification from AirBnB that you are who you say you are. At the time, I believe this requirement was optional by property. Some hosts required it, some didn't. Not sure about now (anybody know?) If it's mandatory or just more widespread now, that would make it quite difficult to rent anonymously, just like a hotel room.
And regarding cameras, the villa I rented overseas about a year ago had a camera on the door (with obvious IR capability), so they could see who's entering the property day or night. I would think there are privacy laws in most advanced countries against spying within the premises, so you're probably safe there. But if you're really paranoid, there are some relatively simple techniques you can use to look for hidden cameras. In general, however, the world has entered a surveillance age and there's no going back. HD cameras are everywhere, and wireless transmission metadata is recorded permanently and allows precise position triangulation. And don't get me started about all those free apps we've all downloaded. It's harder and harder to move about anonymously, if you really need to.
CarloRogue
01-14-21, 21:07
MW,
Let me tell you how that goes. I would do this with women I had met previously. I would buy the ticket and one out of every two times the women would cancel or not come. Three times I had women cancel and claimed to have a sick father (never the mother), and one friend started giving me shit about it. He said every time I bought an airline ticket my state would have a surge of paternal deaths.
So 50% showed up and that was with women I had banged and had a decent relationship with. With a woman you do not know, I cannot see how the percentage would be better.This is so funny. I've tried this only twice, and also batted. 500. The first time was great. On my second attempt (a stunning Thai soft-core porn model), I caused such apparent calamity that I felt like a monster for making the invitation (hospitalization inducing migraines, a job firing, and other personal distress just short of death). Despite that, I'm currently coordinating another out-of-state visit. I'm being a little bit more cautious this time, having spoken on the phone and facetimed with the girl to vet her a bit more. All risk can't be fully eliminated, but that's what makes life interesting I think. The other advantage here is that you can pull from locations that have a more favorable SB / SD ratio and have a better chance of pulling a 9 or 10.
Elvis 2008
01-14-21, 23:52
Do you guys think this is a good idea? In Shanghai, it is quite common for married men to have mistresses, and as part of the deal, the man rents an apartment for their mistress. I am thinking about doing this for my main SB. It's kind of hilarious because I'm an American. So, I might be one of the first Americans to have a kept mistress in China (eh, now that I think of it, I'm sure it's been done thousands of times by foreigners before me).What is funny about that is I have no clue how accessible that trail would be to a divorce lawyer because it is China.
Seeing as how your main issue is not leaving a trail. I would set up an account on somewhere like hotels.com and keep it so it cannot be linked to you easily. I would use an encrypted mail service like proton or pay for one. I would use a Visa Vanilla Gift Card to pay for the room. I guess you could do this for Airbnb as well.
Honestly, though, MW, what I learned with my divorce was my cheating was not the big deal I thought it was. I hated that my ex spilled my dirt to the world, but these lawyers have it down. Typically in my state, it is common for an estate to be split 50-50. If the guy has committed fraud against the community, which in my case was spending my own money, then it is not an even split but it goes 55% for the women and 45% for the guy. Now that is before legal expenses. A divorce lawyer told me the goal of lawyers is 6% of the estate so that puts the woman's share down to 52%.
Now my ex said when getting 52% over 50% and dragging me through the mud to get there sounded good to her, and I told her that I had no problem spending all of our assets on lawyers if she pulled that shit and I said 50% of nothing and 52% of nothing are the same damned thing, *****.
My point is that all this running around and hiding was a lot of stress, and it did not matter financially or in court. Once women learn that all their bitching is just going to cost them money, they shut up and settle. I call this divorce method burning down the house and I have had many people thank me for telling them that, and their divorces settled very quickly after they used that technique.
But I would talk to a divorce lawyer about your options and what happens if the wife found out. Society makes it out to be the cheating husband is the most evil SOB on the planet when in fact courts deal with this routinely all the time. What I have found is the wives almost always know you are cheating. They tolerate it because for most getting a divorce would be a step down with life. They just do not want it thrown in their face.
The funniest thing of all time was when a stripper, who knew I was married was giving me head and finished. She and I were talking, and I asked about her boyfriend and she said, "he cheated on me. Can you believe it?" She was oblivious to the hypocrisy. I said, "Oh you poor thing. That is terrible. Can you give me some more head?
DramaFree11
01-15-21, 02:31
Yeah follow your intuition here. It's not going to work. She's going to need money for ticket etc and you don't know her from Adam. With the three I have flown I've gotten pretty lucky that two out of three didn't screw me over and it was fabulous. But Valentina took me for a $3000 ride and I thought I knew her well (21 hours together which is 2-4 X what I spent with Alexa and Thifany when I flew them). So an unknown? No way.I also tried it a couple of times, I would not recommend it. It can get very expensive quickly and yes they will miss there flight or do something stupid, that cost will cost extra money and time. My advice pick a great destination and make it your home base. You can build a nice stable of girls and rotate them, but that does get expensive in the states. Mexico, Europe and Russia much cheaper.
What is funny about that is I have no clue how accessible that trail would be to a divorce lawyer because it is China.Elvis, all payments or transfers can be done electronically by app in China. You can use it to pay for street vendors, prostitutes, tips and everything else. It's universally accepted while credit card is not. I guess you heard about Ant Financial, that is what they do. This is what FB trying to duplicate in US for many years now.
Extra marital affair is illegal in China, P4 P is also illegal. I think those are MW's main concerns, not the divorce. Communist party is integrated into China's society. It is required in large companies so they know each move of these companies. We pay HOA due to HOA in US. My friend told me they pay to a Communist party neighborhood association. MW may get into trouble if someone reports him to the party/police. China may shame you in public if you are caught. China has clamped down hard on P4 P in recent years. That is another reason that makes him worry.
Elvis, all payments or transfers can be done electronically by app in China. You can use it to pay for street vendors, prostitutes, tips and everything else. It's universally accepted while credit card is not. I guess you heard about Ant Financial, that is what they do. This is what FB trying to duplicate in US for many years now.
Extra marital affair is illegal in China, P4 P is also illegal. I think those are MW's main concerns, not the divorce. Communist party is integrated into China's society. It is required in large companies so they know each move of these companies. We pay HOA due to HOA in US. My friend told me they pay to a Communist party neighborhood association. MW may get into trouble if someone reports him to the party/police. China may shame you in public if you are caught. China has clamped down hard on P4 P in recent years. That is another reason that makes him worry.A mistress is not an uncommon thing. How are the men weighing the risk / reward ratio?
Midwestern
01-15-21, 12:43
Extra marital affair is illegal in China, P4 P is also illegal. I think those are MW's main concerns, not the divorce. Communist party is integrated into China's society. It is required in large companies so they know each move of these companies. We pay HOA due to HOA in US. My friend told me they pay to a Communist party neighborhood association. MW may get into trouble if someone reports him to the party/police. China may shame you in public if you are caught. China has clamped down hard on P4 P in recent years. That is another reason that makes him worry.BINGO!! This is so accurate, and this is exactly all the stuff that I am worried about.
To everyone that weighed in on this, I really appreciate it.
Here's an update. Today, my SB found a place. Lo and behold, she did rent the place on a Chinese version of AirBnB. She never met a real estate agent. She just went to a website, found a few places and went to check them out. The different apartment owners gave her the building code and the room code, so that she could check out the rooms by herself. If she takes a pass, then the owner just changes the room code remotely. She found a place, and she went ahead and rented it for two months, and she paid by transferring the rent via mobile pay. I showed up 40 minutes later. Big compound, so I don't think anyone gave me a second look. Security guard was sitting on the curb, smoking a cigarette. I waltz by him, and used the building code to let myself into the building. Each building is at least 30 floors, so hopefully I can remain anonymous in this place. (One other bad thing about my original apartment is that I could not buzz people in, and the building had no entrance keypad, so I always had to go down and walk the girls into the building with me.) With this new place, my SB and I agreed to enter the compound, building, and room, separately.
Anyway, fingers crossed that this will work out. Maybe I am being greedy, but I am hoping that I can use this place to meet other girls. After all, I can share the building code with anyone. Once they reach my floor, I will just open the room door for them.
DramaFree11
01-15-21, 16:09
What is funny about that is I have no clue how accessible that trail would be to a divorce lawyer because it is China.
Seeing as how your main issue is not leaving a trail. I would set up an account on somewhere like hotels.com and keep it so it cannot be linked to you easily. I would use an encrypted mail service like proton or pay for one. I would use a Visa Vanilla Gift Card to pay for the room. I guess you could do this for Airbnb as well.
Honestly, though, MW, what I learned with my divorce was my cheating was not the big deal I thought it was. I hated that my ex spilled my dirt to the world, but these lawyers have it down. Typically in my state, it is common for an estate to be split 50-50. If the guy has committed fraud against the community, which in my case was spending my own money, then it is not an even split but it goes 55% for the women and 45% for the guy. Now that is before legal expenses. A divorce lawyer told me the goal of lawyers is 6% of the estate so that puts the woman's share down to 52%.
Now my ex said when getting 52% over 50% and dragging me through the mud to get there sounded good to her, and I told her that I had no problem spending all of our assets on lawyers if she pulled that shit and I said 50% of nothing and 52% of nothing are the same damned thing, *****.So true, many of my rich clients in Houston, lived 2 separate lives. They were only married on paper. Whatever works, but you are correct about the step down, many are willing to put up with a lot to keep the rich lifestyle.
I have a great business now and small apartment. I am way more happy now then when I had a big House and a bunch or crap. I am banging Hot Chicks in Mexico and Russia, I could not ask for much more. Plus I am out of Houston, makes life even better.
Midwestern
01-16-21, 01:39
A mistress is not an uncommon thing. How are the men weighing the risk / reward ratio?In China, having a mistress is pretty common if you are at least upper middle class. I have been teased, by my Chinese friends, more than once for not having a mistress. They say it means that I'm poor. A few weeks ago, a good female friend of mine also teased me about the same thing! Several women have also told me that they were a mistress, or used to be a mistress. A woman in my complex lived alone with a child. Someone asked her about the husband, and she said she was someone's mistress and they have a love child, and the father is paying for their apartment and living expenses. This is how common it is to have a mistress in China. So, I guess men view the risk to be low. For me, I'm a foreigner and I cannot speak Chinese. So, it makes having a semi-open affair to be both difficult and risky.
In China, having a mistress is pretty common if you are at least upper middle class. I have been teased, by my Chinese friends, more than once for not having a mistress. They say it means that I'm poor. A few weeks ago, a good female friend of mine also teased me about the same thing! Several women have also told me that they were a mistress, or used to be a mistress. A woman in my complex lived alone with a child. Someone asked her about the husband, and she said she was someone's mistress and they have a love child, and the father is paying for their apartment and living expenses. This is how common it is to have a mistress in China. So, I guess men view the risk to be low. For me, I'm a foreigner and I cannot speak Chinese. So, it makes having a semi-open affair to be both difficult and risky.Wasn't it Mao who enacted a one mistress policy?
In China, having a mistress is pretty common if you are at least upper middle class. I have been teased, by my Chinese friends, more than once for not having a mistress. They say it means that I'm poor. A few weeks ago, a good female friend of mine also teased me about the same thing! Several women have also told me that they were a mistress, or used to be a mistress. A woman in my complex lived alone with a child. Someone asked her about the husband, and she said she was someone's mistress and they have a love child, and the father is paying for their apartment and living expenses. This is how common it is to have a mistress in China. So, I guess men view the risk to be low. For me, I'm a foreigner and I cannot speak Chinese. So, it makes having a semi-open affair to be both difficult and risky.
It was a crime in most East Asian countries long ago but several countries have decriminalized it. I don't know China's law so I don't know the legality of it. But in other Chinese countries, many tycoons have multiple wives. It became public when the man died and the children were fighting for inheritance.
Midwestern
01-18-21, 06:15
This is so funny. I've tried this only twice, and also batted. 500. The first time was great. On my second attempt (a stunning Thai soft-core porn model), I caused such apparent calamity that I felt like a monster for making the invitation (hospitalization inducing migraines, a job firing, and other personal distress just short of death). Despite that, I'm currently coordinating another out-of-state visit. I'm being a little bit more cautious this time, having spoken on the phone and facetimed with the girl to vet her a bit more. All risk can't be fully eliminated, but that's what makes life interesting I think. The other advantage here is that you can pull from locations that have a more favorable SB / SD ratio and have a better chance of pulling a 9 or 10.Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.
CarloRogue
01-18-21, 15:45
Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.
There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.
DramaFree11
01-18-21, 17:48
That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.
There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.I kind had the same experience. Houston was crazy with fake profiles, and girls being addicted to Drugs or Alsohol. I finally met up with a real hot one, but very expensive. I though Austin would be much easier, but was much harder and way more expensive. Before the Covid, I was having great luck in San Antonio, who would have thought. Honestly I putting all my efforts into MTY now, maybe I will start back in S. Ant, but too busy at work,(too much driving also, not productive) I will just stick with MTY. Time will tell. Good luck.
Steve 9696
01-18-21, 18:59
That's definitely something I plan to do more of, post-covid era, particularly some non-domestic destinations, where the pickings seem much riper, as I have found and others have reported in this thread. I travel a lot for work, mostly within the states, and have had some success on SA in second-tier cities, but struck out badly in the big cities like LA, San Fran, Denver, and Chicago. In particular, my flake percentage was a perfect 100% in LA despite many many attempts. But I'm an analyst and I think I see my errors and know how to tweak the formula to improve results. I've had the same pattern of results between developed and less developed countries on SA, the latter being much more fruitful, which just seems to make basic sense.
There was a posting a couple years back showing the cities with the highest (and lowest) ratios of SB's to SD's. Not at my fingertips at the moment. I'd love to hear everyone else's favorite sugar destinations, foreign or domestic. I'm also interested in local culture, food, architecture, art, and other travel interests, so a city with both features is ideal for me.Yeah definitely SA can be great if you are flying in. PreCovid that was my only thing and it works great. However make sure you are taking advantage of last minute hookups. Some of these babes don't plan more than a day in advance.
My second experience ever was LA and I lined up weeks in advance this one girl I was smitten with. She was a first timer and we had an AMAZING date including a bunch of making out. But she freaked over me being married. So we didn't seal the deal and day 2 I was left high and dry. I started seeking like mad. Had one girl flake on the way to dinner. Undeterred I hit it hard and got a date for later that night. Straight to room. Same thing next night different girl. Straight to room.
In London when I needed something quickly I used the Nanpa approach "I'm going dancing in Soho tonight. Join me. " And the response rate was off the charts. Ended up snagging one of my faves that way.
So yeah I can do a bunch of planning and have a flake (hasn't happened often to me) but there are girls ready to meet up that night. Especially if you take a strong frame like the "I'm doing this. Join me. " Approach.
It’s funny but still in this day and age girls want to be led with a strong frame. They are waiting for u to ask — better yet TELL them what’s going to happen. Even the pros are this way. I don’t understand why there aren’t girls on SA like “I’m going on a date tonight. Who’s going with me?” Even the pros are waiting for u to ask. LOL.
DramaFree11
01-18-21, 19:10
Instead of flying the SB to you for the first date, why not fly to her? But I would only do this if she lives in a place that I would want to visit and explore. My friend lived in a place where SB supply was limited, and so he checked out cities that he always wanted to visit. The first trip, he hit if off with the SB and he had a blast. The second time, the SB flaked on him. So, he scrambled to find other dates on SA, but wasn't that successful. But at least he got to explore the city and so it wasn't a complete waste of money. He said that he would do this again, but next time he'd set up a bunch of dates first, instead of just zeroing in on one.Agree fly to her and set up some additional meeting with other girls, but I think you are better off focusing on one city, even if it takes a little more work. In the long run the Hard Work will pay off.
Midwestern
01-19-21, 01:33
Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.
LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.
So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.
BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).
Elvis 2008
01-19-21, 02:19
Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.
LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.
So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.MW,
I think it has to deal with how many rich SDs there are, living expenses, and the morals of a given region. Most women only turn to being a SB out of recommendations from their friends or desperation IMO.
In my area, the women from SA want so much I do not even bother.
Steve 9696
01-19-21, 03:34
Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.
LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.
So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.
BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).Just want to say YMMV. Las Vegas 3 for 3. NYC 3 for 4. Miami 1 for 1. All 8's and up. All but one we hooked up on SA weeks in advance. So maybe I just had a lucky 2019. But the big cities been berry berry good to me.
DramaFree11
01-19-21, 03:35
Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.
LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.
So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.
BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).Midwestern you know your shit. Amazing post. You need to organize a trip to the top 3 destinations, we could get a group of guys together and have a blast. Moscow is number one for me, maybe Sau Paulo and one other destination. I can not travel over the summer, because to busy at work, but after Thanksgiving, until Feb, I have a lot of free time.
CarloRogue
01-19-21, 19:04
Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.
LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.
So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.
BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby-university-2021/usa/.
Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.
Elvis 2008
01-19-21, 23:37
I had a little pressure for people telling me to look in the USA and quit going abroad for women. I like making decisions based on facts and numbers, and I really did not have them until I read this book: https://*******.com/y294szrc.
The Book of Numbers: Analyzing the ROI on the Pursuit of Women.
So basically in this book, the first part was looking at wife material so he excluded the obese, single moms, women with herpes, huge debt, financial irresponsible women ETC. He totals it up and he got 2% or one in 50 women.
Then he asked what were the chances that a woman would go out with an average Joe with an average income. Are you ready? It was one in 200 or 0. 5%.
And even if you got that women to go out with you and you were married, your odds are 4 X greater of getting a divorce than being in a happy marriage. Happy marriages are one in 8 but really what we think of as ideal marriages are really closer to 2% or one in 50.
The average guy over his life time will spend $260,000 in the pursuit of, maintenance of, and disposal of women. The author correctly points out had those same guys put the money in the market they would have $10 million.
This is my point: So why is marriage being rammed down our throats? Because it is the most common way by far for women to achieve wealth. In fact, if you look at all the emotional hurt as the author points out, you really are working your whole life for a woman.
The author linked to another book I found interesting called the unplugged Alpha, the no bullshit guide to winning with women. https://*******.com/y49m4p22.
This guy has a you tube channel and much of the same ideas are found there that was in the book: https://www.youtube.com/c/EntrepreneursInCars/featured.
I have learned a lot from his book and the videos. What he says though and it is backed up by studies is that 80% of the women only will swipe right on only the top 20% of guys.
For people going abroad, this video is important, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDx_zJAPshs it shows what hypergamy is, a woman will always look to swing up. It is in their nature. He looks at a hot woman dating an overweight guy and predicts they will break up based on the Instagram page. She is taking more pictures of herself and fewer and fewer of him. The point with us is that if you think that sweet foreigner is going to stay sweet if she is in America for a while, you are kidding yourself.
I am going to expand on this post though. There is a lot to here. I like the phrase "Chase excellence not women" but I do not like the phrase "Do the work. " because it sounds like men have not been doing anything.
There were things I did not like about both books. In book one, the guy says that should men should not get discouraged and seek out a mistress. Instead he should date loads and loads of women and then he ups his chances for a good union. Uh why? Given the horrific failure rate with marriage, why would you want to keep with that model? Maybe men should take a page from women and look at surrogates if they want to have children and a family. You pick a woman's eggs and not all the drama that goes with it. Pay other people to raise your kid. In many cases, it is a shitload cheaper than a wife, and the kids are 100% yours. Hell, I think kids would thrive in a climate where there is no mommy-daddy drama.
In the second book and follow up videos, the author says if a guy is not a 8 in terms of looks or wealth, he should work up to being an 8 because he is going to get hurt. At least he says it is okay to "spin plates" and see multiple women before finding a girlfriend.
For the longest time I have wondered why attractive men think they own attractive women and why the American media studios emphasize it and this is it. The problem with it is that there is nothing about character, personality, and maybe a little about being a provider. I read this and it really is saying that ALL women are shallow working girls.
So sure you should pursue excellence. You should try to get into shape but it is not a zero sum game. Time at the mall picking out clothes is time you could be earning money. So for the guy who says I am going to put money into clothes so I look great, I laugh and say, "And I am going to put money into women and do better than you. " Paying for clothes is an illusion that the woman is with you for you and not your money.
There is a show called the hotter half on Netflix which measures the percentage of women who would date a guy, and I have never seen a guy move from a low score into the top 20%. I have seen a guy move looks wise from a 6 to an 8 or 2 to a 5 but a 2 to a 10? Never.
On the other hand, I think if you do the work money wise it is much more likely to pay off.
I think a much better strategy is for American guys to go to a country where they are at least 8's financially? What do you all think?
For me, I felt like I had to justify being happier with multiple SBs rather than a wife or GF. Now after looking at all this, I realize I am not missing anything.
Midwestern
01-20-21, 02:57
Portland, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City, Nashville, St. Louis,. My experiences in 2nd tier cities ranged from good to great.
LOS Angeles, Chicago, NYC, Boston, Seattle,. These cities were so tough, that I quit quickly. Only exception is SF, which is tough, but that was my home base for many years, so I grinded it out in SF.
So, I agree that 2nd tier cities seem to offer better chances, but why? My guess is that there are not a lot of rich SDs in these cities, and also the market is stale, so if I am the new guy in town, then I am popular while I am in that town. There's probably other reasons for the difference too.
BTW, this is all from a traveler's perspective. I bet if I lived in any of these 2nd tier cities, I would say the local SA market totally sux. For example, whenever I returned to a 2nd tier city and checked out SA, I noticed that is was almost 90% the same old profiles! And in each of these cities, the number of active profiles were usually fewer than a hundred. (To me, "active" means that they last logged into SA within the past week or two.).
MW,
I think it has to deal with how many rich SDs there are, living expenses, and the morals of a given region.Totally agree. For example, not too many rich SDs in Portland, but plenty of hippie chicks.
Just want to say YMMV. Las Vegas 3 for 3. NYC 3 for 4. Miami 1 for 1. All 8's and up. All but one we hooked up on SA weeks in advance. So maybe I just had a lucky 2019. But the big cities been berry berry good to me.I agree that Las Vegas is very good! But I have found that super cheezy touristy cities to be good in general. Niagara Falls is another example where SA is very good. No offense to anyone from these places. I actually like LV.
Midwestern you know your shit. Amazing post. You need to organize a trip to the top 3 destinations, we could get a group of guys together and have a blast. Moscow is number one for me, maybe Sau Paulo and one other destination. I can not travel over the summer, because to busy at work, but after Thanksgiving, until Feb, I have a lot of free time.LOL, I don't know if you're kidding or not. But I think a large part of it is that these small cities have almost no turnover in terms of both SDs and SBs, and so the SBs get excited when a new guy comes to town. This is why I put in the "traveler's point of view" caveat. I am sure that the SA market in small cities suck for locals.
Midwestern
01-20-21, 03:05
Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby-university-2021/usa/.
Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.I met a bunch of Berkeley SBs when I was living and working in SF. Eventually, I just decided that college students were too young for me. (1) We had almost NOTHING in common, so it was always awkward hanging out with them. (2) They are SUPER busy, and so the flake ratio was very high. (3) And they often treated me like a client, which is not surprising given the age difference. Finally, I got some drama from one of them, probably because she was only 21 or 22. So, I finally decided that 24 was the minimum SB age for me.
The funny thing is that one of the reasons why SA began was so SDs could date college students that needed some extra spending money. But do you any of you guys (especially if you are over 50) still date these college girls?
Midwestern
01-20-21, 03:12
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This is my point: So why is marriage being rammed down our throats? Because it is the most common way by far for women to achieve wealth. In fact, if you look at all the emotional hurt as the author points out, you really are working your whole life for a woman.
I think a much better strategy is for American guys to go to a country where they are at least 8's financially? What do you all think?
For me, I felt like I had to justify being happier with multiple SBs rather than a wife or GF. Now after looking at all this, I realize I am not missing anything.Here's my 2 cents.
For a young guy, the main reason to get married is to have a loving and supportive partner, because when men are young, we tend to be immature, and also super stressed out, as we are working on our careers.
For the older guy, the only reason to get married is if you want to have kids and you want your kids to have a mother.
Otherwise, there is no reason to get married. That's just my opinion, of course.
Steve 9696
01-20-21, 03:52
Just found this on SA. Top colleges for SB's: https://www.seeking.com/p/sugar-baby-university-2021/usa/.
Notable that there is not a single California university on the list, while Southern New Hampshire Univ. Somehow makes the top 15. Also reinforces why Phoenix has been my best travel city to date.SNHU pivoted to primarily online before it became fashionable. So that makes sense. They have students all over the US.
Elvis 2008
01-20-21, 04:32
The funny thing is that one of the reasons why SA began was so SDs could date college students that needed some extra spending money. But do you any of you guys (especially if you are over 50) still date these college girls?LOL. Not in the USA. Honestly, it is the feminist crap, women like to say there are more women in college than men, but do you know what their degrees are in? To me, those women are just avoiding the work place. I would not have gone to college if it did not mean more money and with most of these women and especially today, it means just that. They are happy taking out loans, getting into debt, and not having to deal with it in college, but honestly, they would have been better off not going to college at all. Many of the college women today are just flat out nuts.
There was a strip club line in the 90's where women would say when you tipped them, it helped out with their medical school or law school expenses. You would ask these women about what classes they were taking, and they would go blank.
In Colombia, there is some but not as much credit as in the USA, and the women I have met are not in the liberal arts programs but ones where you can actually make an income. When I talked about the subjects they were studying, they all showed me how much they knew about it. An uber drive from NJ told me that Colombian schools are just as hard if not harder than those in the USA.
I may get beat up for saying this but given the rate of obesity in the USA, a woman would do a lot better emphasizing beauty over some if not most types of education.
South Florida isn't bad, but they all want stupid money.
SNHU pivoted to primarily online before it became fashionable. So that makes sense. They have students all over the US.
DramaFree11
01-21-21, 03:24
LOL. Not in the USA. Honestly, it is the feminist crap, women like to say there are more women in college than men, but do you know what their degrees are in? To me, those women are just avoiding the work place. I would not have gone to college if it did not mean more money and with most of these women and especially today, it means just that. They are happy taking out loans, getting into debt, and not having to deal with it in college, but honestly, they would have been better off not going to college at all. Many of the college women today are just flat out nuts.
There was a strip club line in the 90's where women would say when you tipped them, it helped out with their medical school or law school expenses. You would ask these women about what classes they were taking, and they would go blank..Elvis,
Normally I agree with almost everything you say. Yes, American women need to focus more in the there looks and Heath. They are so busy trying to complete with men's they are losing there femininity, especially comparing them to women in Europe, Russia and Latin America. Honestly there is real no comparison any more, I am not attracted to American anymore, usually they just piss me off in life. I tolerate the women In my family and my female clients abs that about all for me.
As far as Colombia, girls. All my experience was in MDE and I was not impressed at all. Very jealous, insecure, lazy, real bad attitudes and dumb. The once I have met in America and Mexico are even worse. I was not using SA when I was in MDE and I was on a budget, so that would obviously change things. Now if a Colombian chick contacts me in MTY I block them immediately.
I know Bogota is much better. The girls seem to be harder working and smarter. From my experience in MDE, I would say schools are much easier then in the states, also 90% of the girls I was meeting in MDE would never make in the states, just to lazy.
Mad respect, You and others Guys on this page have major game. Just got back from MTY great trip and ended with an incredible girl that spent the night last night. The first night she did nit ask for money, but we did not have sex. She met me at the restaurant Tuesday evening and when she walked in all the staff was amazed by her beauty. They were telling me how hot she is. Living the dream, I will post a detailed report tomorrow.
Midwestern
01-22-21, 02:19
Just got back from MTY great trip and ended with an incredible girl that spent the night last night. The first night she did nit ask for money, but we did not have sex. She met me at the restaurant Tuesday evening and when she walked in all the staff was amazed by her beauty. They were telling me how hot she is. Living the dream, I will post a detailed report tomorrow.Awesome! Looking forward to the report!
Elvis 2008
01-22-21, 09:01
Here's my 2 cents.
For a young guy, the main reason to get married is to have a loving and supportive partner, because when men are young, we tend to be immature, and also super stressed out, as we are working on our careers.
For the older guy, the only reason to get married is if you want to have kids and you want your kids to have a mother.
Otherwise, there is no reason to get married. That's just my opinion, of course.MW,
I have a very smart wealthy, and single friend who had the daughter of his ex refuse to want to go stay with her mother. I think she was around 15 at the time. He looked into things and instead of adopting her, he told her to be an emancipated minor who chose to stay with him. He then adopted her when she was an adult and was really happy to do so. It is funny how the state looks so differently at that than as if he adopted her. No CPS and all that shit.
I have been thinking about the idea of surrogate fatherhood as an idea and not for me. Women are now getting pregnant with the sperm of men. I wonder if men should look at doing the same with the over and uterus. I do not know your experience with this but the way women are with their children, I just do not know. I had a father who used me a bit as an accessory to his status, and I did not like it. I think a lot of mothers put pressure on their children as a reflection on them. Do you have any thoughts on the surrogate idea?
During my divorce, my ex was furious at my son. She called me all kind of names and insisted he hate me as much as she did which was pretty much a terrible form of abuse. He would wince like an abused dog waiting to be hit if I mentioned his mother so I said very little about her when we were together during and after the divorce period. I could not believe how happy and better he did when we got divorced. Five years later, he was even valedictorian of his class.
It seems like the two times women are excused for being crazy psycho bitches is when they are going through a divorce and early on raising children. I am just wondering if men would be better off having sugar babies, surrogate mothers, and nannies than wives. It would probably be cheaper.
A family member of mine who just had kids said, "I love my kids, but I hate my wife", and it broke my heart. I wonder how many other guys feel the same way.
I know Bogota is much better. The girls seem to be harder working and smarter. From my experience in MDE, I would say schools are much easier then in the states, also 90% of the girls I was meeting in MDE would never make in the states, just to lazy.
Disappointed with SA in Bogota. Really low response rate, girls are too flaky. Low quality photos, usually only 1 or 2 shitty selfies. Even after we exchange numbers and move to WhatsApp it does not go any further, most of them just vanish. Don't they need my money?) Go figure.
DramaFree11
01-25-21, 04:54
Disappointed with SA in Bogota. Really low response rate, girls are too flaky. Low quality photos, usually only 1 or 2 shitty selfies. Even after we exchange numbers and move to WhatsApp it does not go any further, most of them just vanish. Don't they need my money?) Go figure.Great report, I do not have any experience in Bogota, so no comment. Let's just say I was not impressed with MDE at all. Not a good for me, honestly I did not like anything about MDE, besides natural beauty of the city. Mexico and Russia are so much better for me. Good luck.
CarloRogue
01-25-21, 13:29
Disappointed with SA in Bogota. Really low response rate, girls are too flaky. Low quality photos, usually only 1 or 2 shitty selfies. Even after we exchange numbers and move to WhatsApp it does not go any further, most of them just vanish. Don't they need my money?) Go figure.I wasn't there very long, but had a similar experience. I chalked it up to bad luck at the time, but perhaps not. I have detected a larger pattern in my travels that destinations with a legal P4 P scene tend to have much less quality and quantity on SA. Of course, queue up the anecdotal reports to the contrary, YMMV, and yada yada yada. But for me, SA just isn't as enticing or worth the effort when I'm lounging in an FKK spa in Germany, feasting on Thai in London, or sampling Latin American fare in Spain & Portugal.
NeilGeorge
01-25-21, 15:30
This website is not worth it any more. Several reasons:
Price went up to 99 a month for men starting January 25th.
Many women from Craigslist, who were simply prostitute escorts, have moved in. They want a quick buck at their convenience, their timing, location, etc. They are not willing to meet at a restaurant and explore a LTR.
Many women, especially the younger ones, expect to get money or a gift prior to meeting in person.
Many women use text technology and will not answer a phone to converse prior to expecting to meet. Fewer of these women will show up.
Many are trying to sell videos or photos of themselves. Some argue that because of Covid they want an "online" arrangement. This means you pay them money to see their photos or videos. Not actual meetings.
Many are using fake names, fake photos, face photos which do not reveal their huge butts or other obesity.
Many women use text technology and will not answer a phone to converse prior to expecting to meet. Fewer of these women will show up.
Many are using fake names, fake photos, face photos which do not reveal their huge butts or other obesity.Heck, they don't even text back. Messages marked unread. Or respond few days later, when I no longer care to respond. This is very surprising considering there is a curfew and a weekend lockdown when everything is shut down. I thought online platforms like SA, FB and Tinder would outperform, because many casas, strip clubs, etc are closed.
And yes, if no full body / height pictures are posted, 99% she is fat as fuck.
And those 2%-3% hot ones either won't respond, simply because your message is lost among hundreds and thousands others, or they will quote $300+.
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Great report, I do not have any experience in Bogota, so no comment. Let's just say I was not impressed with MDE at all. Not a good for me, honestly I did not like anything about MDE, besides natural beauty of the city. Mexico and Russia are so much better for me. Good luck.Tinder works great in Russia, especially in 2nd tier cities. I had positive experience with SA in CDMX.
Steve 9696
01-25-21, 22:15
I know Neil is throwing much of SA under the bus below and I can't disagree with the "most" statements. Yep there are 9 scammers or cammers for every one real girl. And by the time you get to a real girl that will meetup and have sex with you, you are 1 in 100 or so I suppose. But the gems are so worth it!
I was fortunate to have a ton of gems in 2019 pre-Covid. But honestly two of my girls this year have been gems. And even tho I've had more in person fails by far working here locally than when traveling, the two have been totally worth it.
Sarah was brief think we met five times. But bareback, most passionate sex of my life. Introducing her to CIM and 69. This shit is priceless. Totally worth the price of admission.
Layla. At the other end of the spectrum is semi-Pro Layla. But it's been such a wild ride with her getting to where we are. To say her life is complex is an understatement. And she was so limited and guarded sexually at first. Now that she is comfortable enough to let herself drink with me (she knows she can get out of control and therefore needs a lot of trust) the sex has been epic. She's asking me if she sucks my balls right or if I want it harder or softer. She suggested we video her sucking my cock (her face in not mine). Her BJ is now fine tuned to what I like. She smiles her dynamite smile when I cum looking into her eyes. It's developed into perhaps the most comfortable bedroom time I've ever had. Can't wait to see her again.
So yeah. Lots of cammers and scammers. But TOTALLY worth it.
DramaFree11
01-25-21, 22:18
Tinder works great in Russia, especially in 2nd tier cities. I had positive experience with SA in CDMX.Yep, I am killing it in MTY. I had some good luck with it in Russia. I miss Moscow so much.
DramaFree11
01-25-21, 22:23
This website is not worth it any more. Several reasons:
Price went up to 99 a month for men starting January 25th.
Many women from Craigslist, who were simply prostitute escorts, have moved in. They want a quick buck at their convenience, their timing, location, etc. They are not willing to meet at a restaurant and explore a LTR.
Many women, especially the younger ones, expect to get money or a gift prior to meeting in person.
Many women use text technology and will not answer a phone to converse prior to expecting to meet. Fewer of these women will show up.
Many are trying to sell videos or photos of themselves. Some argue that because of Covid they want an "online" arrangement. This means you pay them money to see their photos or videos. Not actual meetings.
Many are using fake names, fake photos, face photos which do not reveal their huge butts or other obesity.Sorry, I could not disagree more. I love SA. I am 51 and having the best time of my life and incredible sex. Takes work and yes there are scams, but they are fairly easily detected. I love SA and MTY. Moscow is better, but believe it or not MTY is a gold mine and little money for what I get back in return.
Midwestern
01-26-21, 02:14
My SB for the past 3+ months broke up with me. It was kind of an ugly breakup. She said that I was selfish and only cared about sex. There's truth to both, but that's why I was paying her monthly mortgage.
I am beginning to think that a great WG is better than an SB. If the WG can fake the GFE, then why bother with an SB? The hard part, of course, is finding WGs that provide great GFE. Some of that comes with time. In my life, there were about four or five WGs that I saw pretty regularly that eventually became sort of like a GF.
Steve 9696
01-26-21, 02:59
My SB for the past 3+ months broke up with me. It was kind of an ugly breakup. She said that I was selfish and only cared about sex. There's truth to both, but that's why I was paying her monthly mortgage.
I am beginning to think that a great WG is better than an SB. If the WG can fake the GFE, then why bother with an SB? The hard part, of course, is finding WGs that provide great GFE. Some of that comes with time. In my life, there were about four or five WGs that I saw pretty regularly that eventually became sort of like a GF.I guess if you are just after an hour of fun then a solid GFE hooker is great. If you want to go longer tho — like a four hour dinner and date it's going to be $400*4=$1600. Or god forbid and overnight. But if you can find the right one she'll go off the books. I had a girl in London that I booked thru the agency for £150 an hour. But we agreed £400 for dinner and all night sleepover. I think she woulda taken less. So if you have chemistry with a great GFE escort it can work economically.
CarloRogue
01-26-21, 03:26
Sorry, I could not disagree more. I love SA. I am 51 and having the best time of my life and incredible sex. Takes work and yes there are scams, but they are fairly easily detected. I love SA and MTY. Moscow is better, but believe it or not MTY is a gold mine and little money for what I get back in return.I see a lot of similar complaints on the SA sub-forums in the various US city forums, and well. Not to pile on or brag, but I've had 5 SB's in the last 7 days, 3 regulars and 2 new additions to the roster. I'm wiped out and looking forward to a few nights off. I also have several more in the pipeline and even more that I've just had to drop due to lack of time. It does take a bit of time, effort, and positive energy, so if you're just looking for a quick lay (or straight-up escorts as the front page says) and can't handle some missed connections, use some site other than SA. I confirm what the other posters say about the reward, which for me goes well beyond the physical. I enjoy the drama-less fun, friendship, and vitality I feel from making genuine connections with kindred spirits that are, shall we say, just a tad bit younger than me. It's even a free cultural education for me. If there wasn't an element of challenge, it wouldn't be as rewarding, but I also feel compelled to credit the many men on that site that make it so sooooo easy for me haha (as my SB's would text it).
Steve 9696
01-26-21, 03:30
I guess if you are just after an hour of fun then a solid GFE hooker is great. If you want to go longer tho like a four hour dinner and date it's going to be $400*4=$1600. Or god forbid and overnight. But if you can find the right one she'll go off the books. I had a girl in London that I booked thru the agency for 150 an hour. But we agreed 400 for dinner and all night sleepover. I think she woulda taken less. So if you have chemistry with a great GFE escort it can work economically.Got to say a nice thing about a hooker is they aren't shy. This girl I'm talking about in London was a real naughty minx. She was grabbing my package at the dinner table whenever the waiter wasn't looking. And when we were walking down the street hand In hand she put my free hand inside her bra to keep it warm!
At dinner she said "You should adopt me. Then you could fuck me every day!" Damn I really like her. Going to have to see her next time I am in London. She's quite the firecracker!
DramaFree11
01-26-21, 04:07
I see a lot of similar complaints on the SA sub-forums in the various US city forums, and well. Not to pile on or brag, but I've had 5 SB's in the last 7 days, 3 regulars and 2 new additions to the roster. I'm wiped out and looking forward to a few nights off. I also have several more in the pipeline and even more that I've just had to drop due to lack of time. It does take a bit of time, effort, and positive energy, so if you're just looking for a quick lay (or straight-up escorts as the front page says) and can't handle some missed connections, use some site other than SA. I confirm what the other posters say about the reward, which for me goes well beyond the physical. I enjoy the drama-less fun, friendship, and vitality I feel from making genuine connections with kindred spirits that are, shall we say, just a tad bit younger than me. It's even a free cultural education for me. If there wasn't an element of challenge, it wouldn't be as rewarding, but I also feel compelled to credit the many men on that site that make it so sooooo easy for me haha (as my SB's would text it).Well said, I am living a dream. I will be back in MTY Saturday, I can not wait.
DramaFree11
01-26-21, 04:17
My SB for the past 3+ months broke up with me. It was kind of an ugly breakup. She said that I was selfish and only cared about sex. There's truth to both, but that's why I was paying her monthly mortgage.
I am beginning to think that a great WG is better than an SB. If the WG can fake the GFE, then why bother with an SB? The hard part, of course, is finding WGs that provide great GFE. Some of that comes with time. In my life, there were about four or five WGs that I saw pretty regularly that eventually became sort of like a GF.Sorry about that you will find something better.
My SB for the past 3+ months broke up with me. It was kind of an ugly breakup. She said that I was selfish and only cared about sex. There's truth to both, but that's why I was paying her monthly mortgage.
I am beginning to think that a great WG is better than an SB. If the WG can fake the GFE, then why bother with an SB? The hard part, of course, is finding WGs that provide great GFE. Some of that comes with time. In my life, there were about four or five WGs that I saw pretty regularly that eventually became sort of like a GF.This is the 3rd time. I think maybe the cause is rooted in that she was not seeking a SD from the beginning and you put her into the SB role. Also language barrier, and the fact you are a foreigner makes her think it is not permanent so she feels insecure. Just my wild guesses.
Got to say a nice thing about a hooker is they aren't shy. This girl I'm talking about in London was a real naughty minx. She was grabbing my package at the dinner table whenever the waiter wasn't looking. And when we were walking down the street hand In hand she put my free hand inside her bra to keep it warm!
At dinner she said "You should adopt me. Then you could fuck me every day!" Damn I really like her. Going to have to see her next time I am in London. She's quite the firecracker!I think this is not because she is a hooker. I have met a few hookers that I thought were born for this job. I think these girls will be great even if they are not hookers.
Elvis 2008
01-27-21, 05:56
My SB for the past 3+ months broke up with me. It was kind of an ugly breakup. She said that I was selfish and only cared about sex. There's truth to both, but that's why I was paying her monthly mortgage.
I am beginning to think that a great WG is better than an SB. If the WG can fake the GFE, then why bother with an SB? The hard part, of course, is finding WGs that provide great GFE. Some of that comes with time. In my life, there were about four or five WGs that I saw pretty regularly that eventually became sort of like a GF.MW, for me a SB is fun in and out of the bedroom. A WG is just friend in the bedroom, or that is all I care about it. I think you need to define what you want.
With me, the definition of what I want in any woman is that they make feel better sexually and emotionally. That is what I am paying for. If there is too much shaming or greed, then that woman is done.
What are you saying she is right for that you wanted sex and were selfish? Fuck that. You are paying the bills. She never should have felt comfortable even saying those things to you. You are better off without her.
Midwestern
01-27-21, 14:22
I guess if you are just after an hour of fun then a solid GFE hooker is great. If you want to go longer tho like a four hour dinner and date it's going to be $400*4=$1600. Or god forbid and overnight. But if you can find the right one she'll go off the books. I had a girl in London that I booked thru the agency for 150 an hour. But we agreed 400 for dinner and all night sleepover. I think she woulda taken less. So if you have chemistry with a great GFE escort it can work economically.For me, SBs have been more expensive. Buying them presents, and paying for expensive dinners and trips, all adds up. But I paid for all of this because I like the GFE.
But that said, my current negative opinion of SBs are probably all coming from my very recent SB experience. I paid a monthly allowance when I barely saw her, and she gave me a lot of shit because I mostly cared about sex. In addition, I got tired of the dates. They were becoming tedious and boring.
But I still think SA is the best way to go in the United States.
DramaFree11
01-27-21, 16:41
MW, for me a SB is fun in and out of the bedroom. A WG is just friend in the bedroom, or that is all I care about it. I think you need to define what you want.
With me, the definition of what I want in any woman is that they make feel better sexually and emotionally. That is what I am paying for. If there is too much shaming or greed, then that woman is done.
What are you saying she is right for that you wanted sex and were selfish? Fuck that. You are paying the bills. She never should have felt comfortable even saying those things to you. You are better off without her.Correct, time is money. You can not put a valley on good SD relationship. The phone calls, text messages, spending the night, you can not put a value on any of this. Not to mention you are with a girl half your age, she is not complaining, and she is happy to be around you. I am 51 and hanging out with girls between 20-27 in MTY, it is unbelievable. The girls I am with now are way better then the girls I was dating traditionally when I was in my 20's-30's. With a few exceptions the girls are also way better looking then the girls I was meeting in Kiev and MDE, honestly when you add in there personality it is not even close. Moscow is a different story, if you have the time, money and any game you can write your own ticket, but I know longer have the time, money yes.
DramaFree11
01-30-21, 17:19
I hear a lot of guys complaining about SA, for me I can not say enough good things about it. L Here is just one example. Friday I arrived late, in MTY, because of work issues. One of my regulars meets me at 10 pm at the hotel. I was exhausted so the sex was not the best that was all on me, and I purchased t Viag, and when I arrived at the hotel the box was empty, it happens. Anyway, we spent the night together, we watched a movie and ordered Pizza. All for $200, plus pizaza. What a great night, besides being exhausted from work drama. I have several more dates lined up over the next few days. Loving Life and SA in MTY.
GuyBrusg1957
01-31-21, 02:07
When are referring to SA do we mean seeking com or seekingagreements com?
DramaFree11
02-01-21, 20:34
Sometimes you just have to say no. The girl I met last night is one of the best looking girls I have ever been with in my life. 5'8', 110, just beautiful. Honestly I think she is better looking then my main girl in MTY, that is an actual model, (It Sucks, She is on total lock down, her parents came to visit, now they will not leave and the will not let her leave the house because of Covid. They are crazy about Covid in MTY) She is super nice and loves to party, but just too much. She has a drinking problem, I thought there had been improvement, but I guess I was wrong.
She show up, of course hungover, she asked about money before she came I said $300, which is $100 more than I usually pay, but she is that hot, but that was for the night. 2 hours in she says she is tired and we should go to bed, it was 8 pm, and I said lets wait 20 minutes then we can go. She then tells me she can not spend the night, to my surprise. I thought she was joking, but she had to go home because of her brother. This was total be. S. , because they party all night all the time. I was speechless, she knew I was upset. I said why did you not tell me this before you came. Of course she has all kinds of excuses. I real love being around her, but just too much drama. I suggest we meet Monday, have dinner and she can spend the night. She says no, and end of story. It was not about the money, it had to do more with here being real hungover, and was not up front about not spending the night.
I am flexible, but I have my limits. Time to move on. We had a monthly arrangement at the beginning and obliviously*that did not turn out well, another story for another day.
Midwestern
02-02-21, 04:40
No matter how hot they are, if they are a pain in the ass, OR, if you feel like they are not really into you, then you have to cut them loose. There was a 26 year old, 180 cm, model from Poland that was really into me. But all she wanted to do was smoke weed and watch movies in bed, like almost 24 hours a day. It was boring and annoying. And, for some people, being high makes you not horny, and that was her. We only did the deed twice out of the hundreds of hours that we spent together. So I finally broke it off with her, and she couldn't believe it, because she was so hot. Another SB hottie that I dated for a short while always wanted to take off right away, after the deed, so she could go clubbing with her friends. So I stopped seeing her too. To her, I was just a part-time job.
Sometimes you just have to say no. The girl I met last night is one of the best looking girls I have ever been with in my life. 5'8', 110, just beautiful. Honestly I think she is better looking then my main girl in MTY, that is an actual model, She is super nice and loves to party, but just too much. She has a drinking problem, I thought there had been improvement, but I guess I was wrong.
She show up, of course hungover, she asked about money before she came I said $300, which is $100 more than I usually pay, but she is that hot, but that was for the night. 2 hours in she says she is tired and we should go to bed, it was 8 pm, and I said lets wait 20 minutes then we can go. She then tells me she can not spend the night, to my surprise. I thought she was joking, but she had to go home because of her brother. This was total be. S. , because they party all night all the time. I was speechless, she knew I was upset. I said why did you not tell me this before you came. Of course she has all kinds of excuses. I real love being around her, but just too much drama. I suggest we meet Monday, have dinner and she can spend the night. She says no, and end of story. It was not about the money, it had to do more with here being real hungover, and was not up front about not spending the night.
I am flexible, but I have my limits. Time to move on. We had a monthly arrangement at the beginning and obliviously*that did not turn out well, another story for another day..
DramaFree11
02-02-21, 05:18
No matter how hot they are, if they are a pain in the ass, OR, if you feel like they are not really into you, then you have to cut them loose. There was a 26 year old, 180 cm, model from Poland that was really into me. But all she wanted to do was smoke weed and watch movies in bed, like almost 24 hours a day. It was boring and annoying. And, for some people, being high makes you not horny, and that was her. We only did the deed twice out of the hundreds of hours that we spent together. So I finally broke it off with her, and she couldn't believe it, because she was so hot. Another SB hottie that I dated for a short while always wanted to take off right away, after the deed, so she could go clubbing with her friends. So I stopped seeing her too. To her, I was just a part-time job.
Great advice as always. I wanted it to work, but I have my limits. I tried monthly and PPM, but nothing will ever be enough for her. Love her to death, but it is no win situation.
Elvis 2008
02-02-21, 05:57
She show up, of course hungover, she asked about money before she came I said $300, which is $100 more than I usually pay, but she is that hot, but that was for the night. 2 hours in she says she is tired and we should go to bed, it was 8 pm, and I said lets wait 20 minutes then we can go. She then tells me she can not spend the night, to my surprise. I thought she was joking, but she had to go home because of her brother. This was total be. S. , because they party all night all the time. I was speechless, she knew I was upset. I said why did you not tell me this before you came. Of course she has all kinds of excuses. I real love being around her, but just too much drama. I suggest we meet Monday, have dinner and she can spend the night. She says no, and end of story. It was not about the money, it had to do more with here being real hungover, and was not up front about not spending the night.I got two stories for you on this, DF. I have this lawyer in CDMX, and I know you do not like my saying a girl is a 10 (I thought the pic of the one you sent me was damned close to one BTW), but I think she is: internationally ranked swimmer, smart. Anyway, I am talking my friend about her. She is like "Elvis, that woman has self esteem issues and is borderline." Immediately, I knew she was right. The saying with borderlines is I love you, I hate you, do not leave me. So any time you have a woman freaking out about your abandoning her, and this girl did, she probably is borderline, and it is time to head for the exit. I had a terrible incident with a borderline SB, and I cannot believe I missed it with this one. It sounds like your girl has a mental illness or personality disorder. It sucks that I have to dump mine. She was so hot and great in bed.
The good thing about Monterrey is the hit rate is so high that you can blow one off easily. As I said I was kind of fucked out and my schedule was packed in MTY. I had only 2 out of 8 no shows for first time meetings which in my experience is really good. Anyway, the last day I was supposed to meet a newbie at 10 AM. I hear nothing and do not care. She was an 8 I thought by her photos and I sensed in real life she was not even that.
She texts me at noon and says she overslept. I say, "That is okay. Maybe I can meet you next trip." She says "Well, you know I really need money to go see my parents today. I cannot meet you because I have to be at work by 2 PM. "I really wanted to be a smart ass and tell her off. You really expect money after standing me up *****? I think maybe my silence will send a message. Wrong. She texts me again and says, "Well, you know, if you are not going to give me money, I am just going to block you."
I know from your posts and texts DF you are a rational guy and so am I. I think people like us with common sense sometimes forget it is not that common because when I told my female friend about this girl, she laughed and scolded me. "You know, Elvis, I think you forget how many dumb bitches there are in the universe." I laughed and pleaded guilty to the charge.
I wish everyone here had a friend like her.
Blue Swede
02-02-21, 11:37
When are referring to SA do we mean seeking com or seekingagreements com?Seeking com aka Seekingarrangement.
For me, SBs have been more expensive. Buying them presents, and paying for expensive dinners and trips, all adds up. But I paid for all of this because I like the GFE.
But that said, my current negative opinion of SBs are probably all coming from my very recent SB experience. I paid a monthly allowance when I barely saw her, and she gave me a lot of shit because I mostly cared about sex. In addition, I got tired of the dates. They were becoming tedious and boring.
But I still think SA is the best way to go in the United States.Hey MW. I feel you. I had gotten to this same place with one of my SBs. Dates got boring and I kinda wanted something new. After months of hanging out (when I was in town), she cut comms after one disagreement. This kinda made me intolerant when it comes to SBs. Now I reply in kind. If you are a sweet girl and perform your part of the arrangement, then we will have a great time with dinners, clothes, trips, and great memories. If you are greedy, unfair, or show signs of not being cool (like taking the allowance without making absolute sure to see me), then I'll be unfair before I suddenly cut ties. There are too many girls and too many cites.
Cost. I agree. You spend more money dealing with an SB. However, if you compare time, then I think an escort would usually come out being way more expensive. The exception that I have found is Prague. The escorts normally have 4 hour deals for about 300- 400 euro. I haven't had much success in Prague with SB, but I have knocked it out of the park with escorts for about the same price. In this case, I prefer a GFE escort instead of the czech SBs. I know one escort that will easily blow 6 hours with me and ask for 300 eu at the end (love ukrainian girls) In other cities, I prefer seeking by far!
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DramaFree11
02-03-21, 05:09
I got two stories for you on this, DF. I have this lawyer in CDMX, and I know you do not like my saying a girl is a 10 (I thought the pic of the one you sent me was damned close to one BTW), but I think she is: internationally ranked swimmer, smart. Anyway, I am talking my friend about her. She is like "Elvis, that woman has self esteem issues and is borderline." Immediately, I knew she was right. The saying with borderlines is I love you, I hate you, do not leave me. So any time you have a woman freaking out about your abandoning her, and this girl did, she probably is borderline, and it is time to head for the exit. I had a terrible incident with a borderline SB, and I cannot believe I missed it with this one. It sounds like your girl has a mental illness or personality disorder. It sucks that I have to dump mine. She was so hot and great in bed.
The good thing about Monterrey is the hit rate is so high that you can blow one off easily. As I said I was kind of fucked out and my schedule was packed in MTY. I had only 2 out of 8 no shows for first time meetings which in my experience is really good. Anyway, the last day I was supposed to meet a newbie at 10 AM. I hear nothing and do not care. She was an 8 I thought by her photos and I sensed in real life she was not even that.
She texts me at noon and says she overslept. I say, "That is okay. Maybe I can meet you next trip." She says "Well, you know I really need money to go see my parents today. I cannot meet you because I have to be at work by 2 PM. "I really wanted to be a smart ass and tell her off. You really expect money after standing me up *****? I think maybe my silence will send a message. Wrong. She texts me again and says, "Well, you know, if you are not going to give me money, I am just going to block you.".I am so glad you had fun. My trip definitely turned around after you left. You are so correct about hit rate. Not to mention there are some real stunners, that are professionals and love sex. I hope we can meet soon.
Trip Report.
1. Friday a beautiful 20 year spent the night. Very Exotic and beautiful.
2. Saturday / Sunday sucked but it gets better.
3. Monday starts off bad, cancellations. At 4 pm everything turned around a beautiful 20 year old college student met me, wow very hot and a even nicer person. We spent the 6 hours together and multiple sessions. So much fun.
4. Tuesday morning rocks. Super sweet regular shows up at 8:30 am, everything included. Multiple sessions with Anal.
5. 10:45 2 regular show up, threesome, Anal, bi-sexual experience, and riming. Most guys would rate these girls 6.5-7.5.
Here's the best part, all the girls thank me. I want to me again. Loving life.
Midwestern
02-03-21, 10:13
A girl stood you up for a first date, but still asked you for money, and then she threatened to block you when you ignored her? Jeezus fxxxing Khrist. Is she out of her mind?! Does even one guy out of a hundred fall for this? LOL, man.
The good thing about Monterrey is the hit rate is so high that you can blow one off easily. As I said I was kind of fucked out and my schedule was packed in MTY. I had only 2 out of 8 no shows for first time meetings which in my experience is really good. Anyway, the last day I was supposed to meet a newbie at 10 AM. I hear nothing and do not care. She was an 8 I thought by her photos and I sensed in real life she was not even that.
She texts me at noon and says she overslept. I say, "That is okay. Maybe I can meet you next trip." She says "Well, you know I really need money to go see my parents today. I cannot meet you because I have to be at work by 2 PM. "I really wanted to be a smart ass and tell her off. You really expect money after standing me up *****? I think maybe my silence will send a message. Wrong. She texts me again and says, "Well, you know, if you are not going to give me money, I am just going to block you."..
Steve 9696
02-03-21, 13:50
A girl stood you up for a first date, but still asked you for money, and then she threatened to block you when you ignored her? Jeezus fxxxing Khrist. Is she out of her mind?! Does even one guy out of a hundred fall for this? LOL, man.
.There are great and smart girls on SA and those are the ones I end up with. But I continue to be dumbfounded by the ignorance or arrogance of so many. Girls who post "I want to be spoiled and go on trips and stuff. " And that's it. No discussion of what they bring to the party and why I will want to be with them. Does this really work? Last thing I want is a girl that leads with I want money and have nothing to give in return.
I contacted one girl who was even more direct. Something like "I'm a spoiled little be*tch" and asked her if that really works. She pretty much bitched me out and said it does. OK. Good luck with that.
GeneHickman
02-03-21, 15:28
There are great and smart girls on SA and those are the ones I end up with. But I continue to be dumbfounded by the ignorance or arrogance of so many. Girls who post "I want to be spoiled and go on trips and stuff. " And that's it. No discussion of what they bring to the party and why I will want to be with them. Does this really work? Last thing I want is a girl that leads with I want money and have nothing to give in return.
I contacted one girl who was even more direct. Something like "I'm a spoiled little be*tch" and asked her if that really works. She pretty much bitched me out and said it does. OK. Good luck with that.Simple solution. You want that kind of a woman and treatment? Marry an American feminist. Isn't that what most here are running from! Guess some men are confused masochists. Or these women are in fantasy land.
DramaFree11
02-03-21, 15:37
Simple solution. You want that kind of a woman and treatment? Marry an American feminist. Isn't that what most here are running from! Guess some men are confused masochists. Or these women are in fantasy land.Exactly I am running from the American women. I am not sure I will ever date one again, they just drive me crazy and everyone else around them. Love the post.
Elvis 2008
02-03-21, 16:35
Here's the best part, all the girls thank me. I want to me again. Loving life.Yeah, I was really shocked by how nice the women were. In the past, I thought MTY was so close to the border and some had American attitudes. Not this time. They did everything I wanted: no clock watching, no running out the door. I just could not believe how sweet and accommodating the women were.
There are great and smart girls on SA and those are the ones I end up with. But I continue to be dumbfounded by the ignorance or arrogance of so many. Girls who post "I want to be spoiled and go on trips and stuff. " And that's it. No discussion of what they bring to the party and why I will want to be with them. Does this really work? Last thing I want is a girl that leads with I want money and have nothing to give in return.
I contacted one girl who was even more direct. Something like "I'm a spoiled little be*tch" and asked her if that really works. She pretty much bitched me out and said it does. OK. Good luck with that.Some of these girls live on another planet. One girl in Amsterdam told me that 2000 eu is the norm for her allowance and she doesn't see how a girl can settle for anything less. LOL.
2000 euro / mo with no tax is what some people make as their monthly wage.
So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "
I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.
02.
DramaFree11
02-03-21, 17:01
Some of these girls live on another planet. One girl in Amsterdam told me that 2000 eu is the norm for her allowance and she doesn't see how a girl can settle for anything less. LOL.
2000 euro / mo with no tax is what some people make as their monthly wage.
So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "
I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.
02.Yep, I have had a couple girls quote me $500 in MTY for 2-3 hours of run, lately. I laugh, sometimes they negotiate others try to hold there ground. Things are getting rough in Mexico and I image other places. I think prices might start coming down. I real do not worry about $25-50, but will not go above $200, unless a very rare case and she better be model hot. Good luck, great post.
Elvis 2008
02-03-21, 17:08
A girl stood you up for a first date, but still asked you for money, and then she threatened to block you when you ignored her? Jeezus fxxxing Khrist. Is she out of her mind?! Does even one guy out of a hundred fall for this? LOL, man..As Gene pointed out, I see this kind of crap from American women all the time. I was a little surprised to see it in Mexico. There is so much loneliness in the USA, my friend told me about men paying hundreds just to have women to talk with them. That sounds crazy to me.
One of the things that my friend and I talked about too was the book The Game by Neil Strauss. Here are some of the techniques written about in the book:
Make yourself seem like the most fun and interesting person in the room.
Confuse your target (the woman you're trying to hit on) with negs, which are backhanded compliments or vague insults.
Use gimmicks, such as magic tricks and ESP tests, to impress and intrigue her.
Maintain a push-pull balance, in order to keep her engaged and wanting more. For example, if your conversation with a woman is going well and you show that you're interested in her, then look around the club for a moment, as if you're distracted or looking for someone else.
Never be the aggressor. For example, lead the woman into offering her phone number—but never explicitly ask for it.
So many men think they are so much smarter than women but beautiful women have a lot more interactions with men than vice versa, and the women I know see guys using The Game techniques a mile away. They are laugh at some of these techniques and are annoyed at the negging.
My friend told me that the Game techniques do work on her stupid friends and told me that the women I hang out with just happened to be smart. I honestly had not thought about that, but I realized she was right. It is not that I screen for intelligence as much as just wean out stupid women like this one.
From what I have seen for every legit guy like those on this forum, there are 50 scam artists on seeking trying to rip women off and get free pussy. A woman showed me her messages, and I could pick out the scammers a mile away. In fact, we picked out the same legit guys. The women who say "Don't waste my time" I suspect are usually the ones who cannot screen well.
I suspect that crazy woman would be vulnerable to the Game techniques.
Elvis 2008
02-03-21, 17:27
So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "
I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.
02.In the USA, I do not think you get anywhere without a price. I will say with those women "My range of giving gifts has been from $ to $$ In other countries, where the women usually are not as experienced, I find I do not have to. I say "We have to figure out what our schedules are like and I prefer to talk about these things in person. " Most actually accept that and the women are much less interested in the how much question after we meet. When the women insist on a price, they are often more ho than SB types.
I like your approach Lshroomer and understand what you are saying but I just wonder if that kind of lecturing phrase on goods and services might make a woman think, "I am not going out with this guy, he is not going to give me anything. " My goal is to get the woman to meet me so I appear generous but not to commit myself to a price because so often the women show up not looking like their pics (both better and worse) or just the woman somehow turns me off. I usually know if I want the woman after the first few minutes and usually everything outside of the price is usually forgotten about once the woman and you have a face to face meeting.
DramaFree11
02-03-21, 21:06
Yeah, I was really shocked by how nice the women were. In the past, I thought MTY was so close to the border and some had American attitudes. Not this time. They did everything I wanted: no clock watching, no running out the door. I just could not believe how sweet and accommodating the women were.Yep, we are living the dream. Kind of funny how others call us names and accuse of lying on other pages, it just makes no sense. We are just trying to help guys, but others find fault in everything, it just makes no sense. They are jealous, I try to be careful not to brag and I also try to point out the good and bad, but as you know, it is way better then anyone can imagine.
The guys on this page are great and learn something from all of them, I real appreciate there feedback and candor.
Steve 9696
02-03-21, 23:12
Love it when you guys kick off a dialog. So much good stuff in here.
I read The Game a year or two ago and while some of it is absolute crap the negging and the flamboyance and all, a lot of it is very good. I can't recall if it's that book or the Unchained Man perhaps that talks about how we have allowed ourselves as men to be made second class citizens to entitled women who provide little I return. And oh how that resonates with me!
A lot of the stuff in that book (or the Unchained Male. I have them confused) is the basis for Nanpa street pickup in Japan and man had that shit been helpful have a plan, keep a strong frame, lead the girl, escalate, push and pull. Maybe you guys are all great at that shit but for a guy who hadn't dated in 40 years it's like gold. Especially since I seem to run across more newbies than the average joe. I recommend you go to AttractionJapan and read some of the blogs and then the newsgroup there. It has an interesting format where everyone describes their journey in a single thread. Really interesting. Some guys just slaying it. Others beginning their journey. It's great reading if you are intrigued by the male female dynamic, plus you pick up useful pointers.
On the $$ thing I find that I prefer to sort it early. Again because of Newbie status. Girls have some outrageous ideas from reading blogs. I had a girl in NYC where we had absolutely the best time and I gave her $400 and she ghosted me. I got her to confess why and she said she had an awesome time but thought it would be $1000 based on what she's read. Funny part is she didn't mind the $400 but was beating herself up about how awful she must be in bed for me to discount her to $400. LOL. Poor thing. Nice girl.
And same thing with Sarah. When we started to fade I got her to confess and she said she just thought there'the be a lot more money in it (I was giving her $300-350).
With a new girl I am exploring, we covered it up front very delicately. But even the "what do you consider a complete relationship" discussion (ie are we fucking?) I had to handle carefully. She said she doesn't just give herself away easily and needs to get to know me. I told her I understood but it's the 21st century and most girls are comfortable to get intimate on date 1 or Date 2 and I don't need a prolonged romance. She was cool with that. I took the pressure off her by saying we would only kiss on date 1 no matter how much she begs me. I used this approach with Sarah and was barebacking on date 2. So we will see how it goes but it seems they like the "give" on my part, the humor, and it let's then engage. We will see very soon how it turns out!
Steve 9696
02-03-21, 23:27
I don't know if any of you have condom advice to share but feel free to chime in. Seems like a never ending journey for me. LOL.
Stage 1 Fucking hate condoms. Why bother just stick with blowjob which is so much better.
Stage 2 Discover Japanese condoms. Okamoto 01 and 02. Really dig them but even XL is a bit tight and then I had like three break in a row. That crossed them off my list.
Stage 3 Moved to Trojan Bareskins and really like them. Quite a good feel. But Sarah says the latex gives her a rash and Layla says she's gets a UTI from latex condoms.
Stage 4 Using Skyn Elites. Like these. Non latex. Feel good but don't break. Think the Bareskins might feel a notch better. Might have to do a side by side compare with a girl that doesn't mind latex.
And avoid Durex Real Feel at all costs. They are non latex and the store was out of Skyns. I was fucking Layla the other day with one and might as well have had a condom made of football leather on. Couldn't feel a thing. Fortunately scrounged up a Skyn and finished the deed. LOL.
What's your experience?
Mongerer88
02-03-21, 23:52
Yep, we are living the dream. Kind of funny how others call us names and accuse of lying on other pages, it just makes no sense. We are just trying to help guys, but others find fault in everything, it just makes no sense. They are jealous, I try to be careful not to brag and I also try to point out the good and bad, but as you know, it is way better then anyone can imagine.
The guys on this page are great and learn something from all of them, I real appreciate there feedback and candor.I think a lot of guys on ISG are not familiar with the principles of Who Moved My Cheese?
In this endeavor, the cheese moves all the fucking time. The age, body style, and looks of the women we pursue never changes. But the ladies themselves live in a different environment every generation.
A guy in his 70's might possibly be having sex with the actual granddaughter of a sex worker he saw when he was in his 20's.
But the granddaughter has an entirely different way of doing business than her grandma did when grandma was in her 20's.
Adapting really angers a lot of guys on ISG. A guy jumped on a lot of my posts where I summarized escort reviews and contact information, and said the commercial sex scene belongs on the streets. Yes, the streets. The granddaughter is supposed to walk the same block that her grandma did, I guess. And if granddaughter works at an FKK, I guess she should find an old yearbook with grandma's picture in it from decades ago. The irony is that poster did a link to the locations of the street scene that was inaccurate and from a website designed to get web traffic for pop-up ads. He didn't just lead others through the mouse maze away from the cheese, he was willing to send them into danger by leading the mice to the cat (the street intersections were in bad neighborhoods).
The Sugar scene is a manifestation of technology. It brings ladies into the scene that would otherwise not have participated, and it allows people to meet who otherwise would not have. But it involves payment for time, effort and product such as food that does not directly and immediately involve a penis being in a vagina, mouth or anus. It is disruptive and some view it negatively. They have some valid points, but like the most angry mouse in Who Moved My Cheese, that anger doesn't really accomplish anything. None of us have much control over things, but we have to make decisions constantly based on new facts and the principle that the only thing in life that is certain (and constant) is change. Look how much advantageous one-on-one local commercial sex interactions arranged via technology have been over other methods of obtaining commercial sex during the pandemic. The guys posting here might not have gotten much of any sex recently if it wasn't for the Sugar scene.
Personally, I had a cell phone and email full of escorts that I have seen and was able to contact the past year. Those Seeking contacts may be quite a good source over the years for a lot of guys here. Easier than always hoping a lady returns to a certain street corner, or hoping the FKK reopens. So ignore some of the haters you encounter in other threads.
Elvis 2008
02-04-21, 00:57
I like the gray Trojan brand but I like going bare when I do seeking. I plan on getting a vasectomy soon, but for now, you can buy plan be OTC. I finish outside the woman and give her a pill right when I am done and yes, I watch her swallow it: https://www.insider.com/how-effective-is-plan-b.
Plan be doesn't always work. It has a 95% chance of preventing pregnancy if you take it within 24 hours of having unprotected sex.
It is actually safer for pregnancy prevention than condoms: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/condom/how-effective-are-condoms.
"If you use condoms perfectly every single time you have sex, they're 98% effective at preventing pregnancy. But people aren't perfect, so in real life condoms are about 85% effective — that means about 15 out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year. ".
It is funny you mention the latex thing Steve because that is a huge issue with a lot of people. I have had bumps that scared me that I thought were herpes but were just a latex allergy. There are cases of people putting on latex gloves and having an anaphylactic reaction and dying.
If I saw a girl more often, I try to give her the depoprovera pregnancy shot. Here is a website where you can buy it for $14 and it lasts 3 months: https://www.ivfpharmacy.com/drug/Depo-Provera.aspx.
As the site says as long as you are using the drug for personal use, I. E. Not reselling it, it is actually legal to import it. I like giving the shot myself instead of relying on a woman saying she is taking the pill.
Everybody asks about STDs and condoms, and everyone gets all miffed about this but here is a website story that is in reference to a large government study that was buried. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/life-and-family/sexuality-contraception/surprise-study-finds-condoms-dont-work.
On July 20, a report was issued by the USA Department of Health and Human Services. A scientific panel co-sponsored by the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the USA Agency for International Development (USAID), developed the report. It was based on a yearlong study in which 28 researchers reviewed 138 peer-reviewed, published studies on the heterosexual transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STD).
Their findings were stunning. Basically, it boils down to this: There is no evidence to indicate that condoms prevent the heterosexual transmission of most sexually transmitted diseases. None.
When used "correctly and consistently," condoms were found to reduce heterosexual HIV infection rate by 85 percent. (Which still leaves a 15 percent infection rate – not a good stat for a deadly disease.) They also found that condom use reduced the risk of gonorrhea, but only in men.
For all of the other diseases, zilch. Nothing. There is no evidence that the condom does anything to prevent transmission of these diseases.
And here's the kicker. The two diseases that the condom may offer some protection against constitute only 2 percent of all heterosexual STD cases in America. Two percent. This means that, based on overwhelming evidence, the condom does nothing to protect against 98 percent of all cases of heterosexually transmitted disease in America today.
End of quote.
This meta-analysis changed my opinion about using condoms. I was never worried about HIV. The heterosexual transmission rate is along the risks of getting hit by lightning.
So I go bare and if I have question about the girl, I take a few antibiotics or antivirals as prophylaxis against the more common STDs. Again, people get miffed about this too, so I am not going to list the drugs.
I am not recommending my regimen to anyone. It is just what I do and as long as I have followed this protocol, I have not had any issues.
But going bare is one of the reasons I like using seeking.
Midwestern
02-04-21, 02:40
But going bare is one of the reasons I like using seeking.This topic often gets people worked up, but yeah, I am guilty of bare-backing more than I should. I used to be very strict about using a condom, but one of my long-time ATF WGs begged to go BB and we did and of course it felt great and then I became hooked. So, yes, this is another benefit of Seeking.
Recently, I shaved my entire kok, including the shaft. Bare-backing feels even more amazing, with the smooth glide.
Funny thing is that the SB that recently broke up with me, I knew her menstrual cycle very well. And so, whenever she was about to go on or off her period, I would meet up with her so that I could BB her and CIP, but when she was on her period, I told her that I was busy at work. Eventually, she figured out the pattern, and that was one of her pieces of evidence that I only cared about sex. I have to admit, she was clever to figure this out.
Midwestern
02-04-21, 02:46
So how do you guys respond to the "what do you offer" question that comes up when approaching a new prospect? I usually answer with, "One makes offers for good and services. This is neither. I prefer we consider the question of how can we help each other. "
I'm curious to hear what other guys are saying as some girls cut conversation after my response, while others dig the approach and we end up making something happen.
02.When a girl asks, "what do you offer?" I always say, "Let's meet first to see if there's chemistry. If there's chemistry, then we can discuss an agreement. ".
One would think that my response is reasonable, but many girls then take a pass on me. But I am okay with this, because these are exactly the types of girls that I would not have had chemistry with anyway. And for me chemistry is important in an arrangement. If and when it is not important, then that's when I see a WG.
DramaFree11
02-04-21, 03:10
I think a lot of guys on ISG are not familiar with the principles of Who Moved My Cheese?
In this endeavor, the cheese moves all the fucking time. The age, body style, and looks of the women we pursue never changes. But the ladies themselves live in a different environment every generation.
A guy in his 70's might possibly be having sex with the actual granddaughter of a sex worker he saw when he was in his 20's.
But the granddaughter has an entirely different way of doing business than her grandma did when grandma was in her 20's.
Adapting really angers a lot of guys on ISG. A guy jumped on a lot of my posts where I summarized escort reviews and contact information, and said the commercial sex scene belongs on the streets. Yes, the streets. The granddaughter is supposed to walk the same block that her grandma did, I guess. And if granddaughter works at an FKK, I guess she should find an old yearbook with grandma's picture in it from decades ago. The irony is that poster did a link to the locations of the street scene that was inaccurate and from a website designed to get web traffic for pop-up ads. He didn't just lead others through the mouse maze away from the cheese, he was willing to send them into danger by leading the mice to the cat (the street intersections were in bad neighborhoods).Awesome report, thank you for the feedback.
I don't know if any of you have condom advice to share but feel free to chime in. Seems like a never ending journey for me. LOL.
Stage 1 Fucking hate condoms. Why bother just stick with blowjob which is so much better.
Stage 2 Discover Japanese condoms. Okamoto 01 and 02. Really dig them but even XL is a bit tight and then I had like three break in a row. That crossed them off my list.
Stage 3 Moved to Trojan Bareskins and really like them. Quite a good feel. But Sarah says the latex gives her a rash and Layla says she's gets a UTI from latex condoms.
Stage 4 Using Skyn Elites. Like these. Non latex. Feel good but don't break. Think the Bareskins might feel a notch better. Might have to do a side by side compare with a girl that doesn't mind latex.
And avoid Durex Real Feel at all costs. They are non latex and the store was out of Skyns. I was fucking Layla the other day with one and might as well have had a condom made of football leather on. Couldn't feel a thing. Fortunately scrounged up a Skyn and finished the deed. LOL.
What's your experience?Simple. I use SKYN. Latex condoms give me irritation.
Use or don't use?? I use. I don't diss anyone that goes bareback. It does feel amazing.
Why I use "protection"? I had an SB (19 yr old college girl) in my suite one night and after showing her some BJJ (brazilian jiu jitsu), it got her all turned on due to the closeness of the guards (full guard, half guard. Any of you BJJ guys out there will know what I'm talking about), etc. She initiated. I returned the favor to see that she was already soaking wet. BBBJ was great, and at that moment, I realized that I had no condoms! I didn't think I was going to bang her that nightShe said to me, "I mean, I'm clean, so it's ok". I decided against it and just went with the BBBJ. I banged her a few times over the next month. All with condoms. She called me one day and tells me that I should go get tested bc she is positive for clym. She said that she had to call 2 other guys that both hit it raw to inform them as well. I was all good, but man, that really put it in my head to put on my seatbelt, even when taking a Sunday drive.
02.
In the USA, I do not think you get anywhere without a price. I will say with those women "My range of giving gifts has been from $ to $$ In other countries, where the women usually are not as experienced, I find I do not have to. I say "We have to figure out what our schedules are like and I prefer to talk about these things in person. " Most actually accept that and the women are much less interested in the how much question after we meet. When the women insist on a price, they are often more ho than SB types.
I like your approach Lshroomer and understand what you are saying but I just wonder if that kind of lecturing phrase on goods and services might make a woman think, "I am not going out with this guy, he is not going to give me anything. " My goal is to get the woman to meet me so I appear generous but not to commit myself to a price because so often the women show up not looking like their pics (both better and worse) or just the woman somehow turns me off. I usually know if I want the woman after the first few minutes and usually everything outside of the price is usually forgotten about once the woman and you have a face to face meeting.That's a good point. I'm sure some women have had the thought that I'm cheap. While others use that opportunity to start the compensation conversation and that's my goal, to have a conversation about how we can help each other. I prefer for the girl to spit out a number first and then negotiate from there. This has worked pretty well, especially when mentioning that I don't want anything transactional. I don't try to go cheap (I use regional averages), but I'm not looking to take the place of her employer either. LOL. I also like other approaches that I've heard in the responses, like lets discuss in person and see if we have chemistry. All good info guys. Keep it coming.
02.
I've been meeting a student after talking on SA last year. She wasn't ready for sex but wanted small allowances for just clubbing and stuff. I thought at some point she'd change. She didn’t change but she introduced me to her friend who is fine with sex. Going to meet her day after tomorrow. This is sheer luck.
Cheers!
CarloRogue
02-06-21, 16:26
When a girl asks, "what do you offer?" I always say, "Let's meet first to see if there's chemistry. If there's chemistry, then we can discuss an agreement. ".
One would think that my response is reasonable, but many girls then take a pass on me. But I am okay with this, because these are exactly the types of girls that I would not have had chemistry with anyway. And for me chemistry is important in an arrangement. If and when it is not important, then that's when I see a WG.My approach is precisely the same, and for mostly the same reason (although discretion is another important factor for me, and putting anything into electronic form is permanent). If a girl wants to discuss business before we've met, it usually indicates that we won't be a good personality match, but since I already know I'm attracted and have invested time in her, I will try to get her to meet in person saying the same thing ("I prefer to discuss details in person" This also establishes your frame, which is a key dynamic with women. The pros will emphatically decline, and select themselves out naturally because they really have no interest in you on any level other than your wallet. Either way, I always end it politely. And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".
It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.
Steve 9696
02-06-21, 18:57
So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.
Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.
Midwestern
02-07-21, 14:17
So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.
Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.
And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".
It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.
TonyMontanaaO7
02-07-21, 16:08
About a couple weeks ago I made an account on seeking arrangements and this girl had sent me a message saying we could work something out. She told me I would get a monthly allowance and we had planned trips for him to visit. All of this is sketchy and I shouldn't have done it so please don't lecture me. I gave her my account login info (should have been my first clue) she deposited a check for $3,000 and asked me to go make money transfers for her (another red flag). I did it because the left over money would be mine to keep. The next day we did the same thing, I went and did money transfers for her and just casually talked throughout the day. Today I today up and my account is -$6000 because the checks she deposited into my account weren't cleared. I found out she did sign my name on the checks so that if fraud but I did let her into my account so that was my stupidity. I have contacted my bank but after the transactions they called me so I could confirm the deposits and I did. I also filed a report to the police and they are reviewing it so now I just wait. I know there is a big chance of me being shit out of luck but if there any other solutions I'm open to hear them.
CarloRogue
02-07-21, 17:42
There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.All the more reason why my goal on SA is to get to a face-to-face meet & greet with as little up front effort as possible. And by and large, the real girls are interested in the same. A little light banter back & forth to set the mood is ok, but I find I don't really even need that. I'm funnier and can work kino escalation in the first 30 minutes of a date without much getting-to-know-you texting in advance. There are always exceptions, but if a "girl" is dragging her feet about meeting, you are not likely to ever actually meet her in my experience. Or it's just not worth it, given all the options out there. And I put "girl" in quotes because if she doesn't want to meet you in person, you really have no idea who you are conversing with anyway.
Steve 9696
02-07-21, 18:37
There are time wasters on SA, that's for sure. And yeah, no need to get upset about it. Just move on. I remember this one gal who led me on and flirted with me for a couple of weeks. Finally, she sends me a message saying that she was messing with me and that she wasted my time on purpose, and that she does this to lots of guys on SA, because us SDs are all pigs and so we deserve it. Instead of getting mad, I just said "LOL, you got me. Well done. " And that was it.So yeah I don't mind the time waste. The flirty chat is fine. It's just disappointing when you are looking forward to a date that night and they kill it. There is no doubt the timing of their request because they know you are hot to trot and some guys just might pony up. For me just an annoyance and as Ariana Grande says "thank you. Next!
And just last night I hit the opposite end of the spectrum it appears. The naive babe in the woods. She didn't want to do phone too nervous about her number. And asked me to do Kik. Well red flag there. Mostly hookers on Kik. But I play along. And her Kik has her name. A really distinctive Asian name. And sure enough googling it turns up an old linked in and Facebook with a pic of her son and current Instagram. I point this out thinking it's prob a scam and she will ghost me, but just the opposite. She seems to be legit this girl and really worried about what she's done and changes her name and all.
Anyhow long story short I am 99% convinced she is just a naive girl but we meetup later this week and will find out! Never a dull moment. She's a Cambodian hottie BTW.
AmorPorFavor
02-07-21, 19:51
My approach is precisely the same, and for mostly the same reason (although discretion is another important factor for me, and putting anything into electronic form is permanent). If a girl wants to discuss business before we've met, it usually indicates that we won't be a good personality match, but since I already know I'm attracted and have invested time in her, I will try to get her to meet in person saying the same thing ("I prefer to discuss details in person" This also establishes your frame, which is a key dynamic with women. The pros will emphatically decline, and select themselves out naturally because they really have no interest in you on any level other than your wallet. Either way, I always end it politely. And I really don't understand why so many guys on the boards feel compelled to get into a needless and misogynous spat with the girl, ranting about "GPS", blah blah blah. A few times I've even said things like, "I'm impressed, good luck in your search and don't settle for less".
It's not a perfect approach, as I'm sure I've lost some pretty good ones over the years, but it fits my comfort level and maximizes odds of success with the girl next door types I like. And besides, with the quantity and quality of options on SA, there's just no need to pine over one particular girl.I'm not on SA now because Covid but will be getting back on after vaccinations. Only did 3 months last summer for the first time when my travels to inexpensive pussylands were shut down. I was not interested in hard core hookers either. Wanted that GFE that I often get in Latin America where I like to wife up for a few days on vacations. My first few weeks on SA got hit up by a lot of pros. You could tell because they went right to the pricing and it was always very steep. I then put in my profile "no pros" and it cut down on them quite a bit but not completely. BTW what does GPS mean?
Steve 9696
02-07-21, 21:12
I'm not on SA now because Covid but will be getting back on after vaccinations. Only did 3 months last summer for the first time when my travels to inexpensive pussylands were shut down. I was not interested in hard core hookers either. Wanted that GFE that I often get in Latin America where I like to wife up for a few days on vacations. My first few weeks on SA got hit up by a lot of pros. You could tell because they went right to the pricing and it was always very steep. I then put in my profile "no pros" and it cut down on them quite a bit but not completely. BTW what does GPS mean?GPS = Golden Pussy Syndrome.
LOL sounds like you found a few girls with GPS.
DramaFree11
02-07-21, 21:31
So I don't know if it's just my part of the country but I've hit my third elaborate scam. Ok looking girl. Nothing to write home about but I'm looking for a strong kisser and girlfriend vibe. We hit it off well. Some nice chat. Take it to texting. Exchange some more pics. Chat about Netflix and dogs. You know just really engaged and make a date to meet up. She's excited. Ha.
Day of the event about 3 hrs before she needs help with rent money. We haven't even met. Sigh. Ah no.Steve,
It is a numbers game, as you know. Over the Holidays in MTY, I totally hit the wall. I was having to work so much harder, but some good contacts came out of all my hard work. I was able to add a few girls to the team.
SA is so much more difficult in the states. As I mentioned before I thought SA would have been easy in Austin, it was way harder than Houston and same price or more expensive.
I finally got fed up and put my attention to San Antonio, totally different experience. Way more positive and cheaper. Nothing changed about me, just better location for SA. Then Covid hit and I got it, this was at the beginning so I did not know what to do, so I was out for 2-3 weeks. Out of all that mess, I rediscovered MTY, the rest is History. I am absolutely killing in MTY, totally out of controller. Good luck and keep up the great reports.
Steve 9696
02-08-21, 01:33
Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.
So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.
So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.
I am intending to tip her when we part but after maybe 45 minutes she says she has to pee but takes her drink with her and she's gone for quite a bit and I have to leave. I don't blame her for exiting I mean she wasn't getting anything from me in her mind other than the shot. But I find her talking w her friend and give her a hug goodbye and slip her $100 and thank her for her time.
Ok so now I am set up for the long shot next time I see her. She is totally my dream girl. Amazing eyes. Dynamite smile. Killer tights body. I have a plan but want to hear from I guys first. How would you approach this? What would you say to her in what order to get her out on an SB meetup date?
Only way I would play it is straight up. Tell her you like her, thinks she is amazing. Tell her what you want. Let her respond. If she's interested she will let you know, if not, time to move on. Better to get it out of the way right up front.
Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.
So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.
So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.
I am intending to tip her when we part but after maybe 45 minutes she says she has to pee but takes her drink with her and she's gone for quite a bit and I have to leave. I don't blame her for exiting I mean she wasn't getting anything from me in her mind other than the shot. But I find her talking w her friend and give her a hug goodbye and slip her $100 and thank her for her time.
CarloRogue
02-08-21, 18:21
Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.
So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.
So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.
I am intending to tip her when we part but after maybe 45 minutes she says she has to pee but takes her drink with her and she's gone for quite a bit and I have to leave. I don't blame her for exiting I mean she wasn't getting anything from me in her mind other than the shot. But I find her talking w her friend and give her a hug goodbye and slip her $100 and thank her for her time.
Ok so now I am set up for the long shot next time I see her. She is totally my dream girl. Amazing eyes. Dynamite smile. Killer tights body. I have a plan but want to hear from I guys first. How would you approach this? What would you say to her in what order to get her out on an SB meetup date?I've struck up friendships (with benefits) with a few strippers before, both from SA and directly from the club. The latter is very difficult, as the odds are poor that they have any real interest in you other than getting your money while you're in the club, and you can't take their friendliness as any positive indication. What has worked for me is to have a casual conversation with them like they're a normal girl, as if you're at a coffee shop together. Don't mention anything about stripping and why she does it, avoid creepy sounding jokes, trying to posture like you're some kind of player, etc (cause you'll sound like every other horny, out-of-her-league guy she's ever met in the club). It's also important that you politely decline any offer for a lap dance, tell her your just there for a drink and hang out, but encourage her to find another customer if she brings it up and tell her to come back later to chat (it's her job after all). She needs to see you as different from all her other customers, but that doesn't mean you need to be flashy or over-the-top in any way. Your goal should just be to get her number so you can get her outside the club for a coffee, drink, dinner, whatever. Also, I would not have given her the cash like you did. It just makes you look like an ATM to her. It might be difficult to reframe yourself after that, to be honest.
In my experience, strippers don't conform to all the commonly held stereotypes (eg, daddy issues, drugs, etc), but I have found that a lot of them do feel a bit alienated from regular society because of their employment choice and crave some form of acceptance in "polite" society, so anything that reconnects them to that could appeal to them. This provides the angle you can use to grab her attention, especially as an established, successful older man. But for that reason, I would caution you: if you are indeed successful turning one into a FWB or SB and she's digging you, I highly recommend you wear protection and thoroughly clean up after yourself (hint).
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