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Elvis 2008
02-08-21, 21:29
Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.
I want to distinguish between American strippers and foreign ones. I am not sure whether or not foreign strippers can be good sugar babies or not. With American ones, yes, I have a ton of experience.

Thing is with American strippers, you pay them to perform. Period. If you take them to a nice restaurant or on a shopping trip, you are not buying good will. THEY earned it. Even if you saved their kid from a burning building, there is no goodwill. They earned it. They let you hang out with them.

As long as you get that Steve and do not go beyond that border, and strippers are really good at making you think she likes you and not your money, then they are great. I have had some of the best sex of my life with strippers. It is when I went beyond that boundary that I got into trouble. No allowance and pay as you go.

As far as how to get them, you just ask if they are interested in being a sugar baby. Most are. If they have not been on SA, they have heard of it. Also you do not wait for sex with them. They are strippers and are dry humping guys all day for money. Some strippers have fallen into the moral code that lap dances are okay but sex for money is not. Do not waste your time on them. You have a whole club full of other women to choose from and in my experience like 70% will fuck you as a sugar baby.

Steve, you seem to be a little enamored with this one. She is this. She is that. Maybe I should you the pics of all the stunning strippers I have banged. Your jaw would drop. Truth is after a time you are going to be sick of her. That is the thing with strippers. Eventually their bullshit will hurt more than the pleasure of their sex. That ALWAYS happens.

When all was said and done, there were two women I really missed once the SB SD thing did not work out, and they were not strippers. I have no regrets about breaking things off with any stripper. The American ones were all crazy in one way or another.

Midwestern
02-09-21, 02:53
Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.


How would you approach this? What would you say to her in what order to get her out on an SB meetup date?I've dated about a half dozen WGs and MP HJ gals. So, this is obviously not the same as dating a stripper. So, you can take this advice for what it's worth. But I think the key is to just become a familar face to them. For example, if there is a WG or HJ gal that I like, I will become a repeat customer, and every time, I am very nice to them. For WGs, maybe a drink after the deed, or have breakfast together the next day. Maybe even give them a present after a few dates. For MP HJ gals, sometimes I just cuddle with them and we have a friendly chat during our one hour together, with no HJ. . . I kid you not. Once you become a famililar to them, it can develop into a relationship naturally. But even when we are in a relationship, I gift them with money to let them know that it is a halfway real relationship but also halfway a transactional one too. WGs, strippers, HJ gals,. . . they all need affection, I think.

But if you just want to bang her outside of the club, then just be up front with her the next time you see her.

My 2 cents. Good luck, man.

Steve 9696
02-09-21, 02:57
Carlos and Elvis (hey isn't that a 70's sitcom or something?) and Midwestern thanks a bunch. Some great advice in there!

Maybe I won't need it. Next night I met a Cambodian hottie on SA. And it started really odd. She's new and so careful and odd baby steps of us jointly confirming we are not a scam or catfish. Now super comfortable and hoping for meetup later in the week. Feeling very confident we are on a good vector so hopefully not confessing I've been duped later. LOL.

So my stripper is on hold till I see if this ones going to fly. Stay tuned!

Midwestern
02-09-21, 11:45
What a coincidence, I actually went to an MP today and had a young stunner with an amazing firm little body, and we hit if off pretty well! I got her WeChat. I texted her a few hours later, and we started chatting already. I am going to zero in on this one as a potential SB. Luckily, I know the market price of being a SD to an HJ MP gal. In Shanghai, a lot of HJ MP gals have SDs. In fact, they often compare notes to see who has the better SD, LOLOL. So, I will see her a couple of more times at her shop, and once we know each other better, then I will ask her if she has her own place where we can meet. Wish me luck, bros.


I've dated about a half dozen WGs and MP HJ gals. So, this is obviously not the same as dating a stripper. So, you can take this advice for what it's worth. But I think the key is to just become a familar face to them. For example, if there is a WG or HJ gal that I like, I will become a repeat customer, and every time, I am very nice to them. For WGs, maybe a drink after the deed, or have breakfast together the next day. Maybe even give them a present after a few dates. For MP HJ gals, sometimes I just cuddle with them and we have a friendly chat during our one hour together, with no HJ. . . I kid you not. Once you become a famililar to them, it can develop into a relationship naturally. But even when we are in a relationship, I gift them with money to let them know that it is a halfway real relationship but also halfway a transactional one too. WGs, strippers, HJ gals,. . . they all need affection, I think.

But if you just want to bang her outside of the club, then just be up front with her the next time you see her.

My 2 cents. Good luck, man.

Adam Miller
02-11-21, 03:56
The whole point is meeting her in person. If what she gets in person doesn't match what you packaged up online, you probably won't even get the chance to kiss her goodnight.

Akibono
02-11-21, 05:02
Ok men. Got a puzzler for you. Need the advice on closing this girl as an SB. She's an experienced stripper so the odds are low. But we had great chemistry and I feel there is a small chance with your help. In my last city I had a great stripper SB so I know it can be done but my luck has been tough locally.

So far I've struck out with several. I think it's a tough gig because they are married or have boyfriends and really just want to take you to the champagne room which is $200 for 15 minutes and no extras offered. Boo. The approach I've used was pretty direct but I don't think the right way. I asked if they knew about SB and probably acted too experienced and tried to get them out. Maybe too rushed and too direct and too player.

So this girl is different. First of all an amazing Latina spinner. Unlike others she is not just trying to drive me to the room. Very friendly. Very handsy. We order shots and enjoy those for a while. We chat really amicably. I tell her I don't really think the rooms are worth it and she agrees! I am not shy because I totally dig her and ask if she has a husband or boyfriend. She says neither. But she talks about her three year old boy.I believe in the scarcity factor. In other words, things you do not find often are valued more than what is commonly available. As a stripper, she is surrounded by players with no money or jerks that think they can use their money to buy her. Plus, she knows how to use her sexuality to manipulate and to get "easy" money. What is scarce is normal people who are gentlemen. Your generous tip shows your intention and potential. There is obviously something she like about you since she spent time with you. Why not pretend that she is not a stripper and ask if she would be interested in a normal date? You can come into the club and tip her well so that a is separate from be even though you are really paying her to spend time with you. Then you can explore if a sexual relationship is possible. If she is receptive, then a SB relationship will naturally develop. I think if she likes you enough that should be easy since it is much nicer to be treated well and to have a regular source of funds. Working in a club is a hit and miss proposition. Sometime you make a lot of money and other days you take home very little. My two cents.

TonyMontanaaO7
02-12-21, 16:10
Seeking Arrangements advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.

ManicGuy
02-12-21, 23:04
Seeking Arrangements advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.All of sugar baby dating sites actually advertise fake or unreal ratio just for marketing purposes.

Elvis 2008
02-13-21, 00:21
Seeking Arrangements advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.It depends on where TM. I agree that around me SA is a waste of time and money. However in Mexico and Colombia the story is much different though I suspect some day it will turn like it did in the USA. The days of finding an American super model type as a SB on SA like I did in 2009 are IMO over.

CarloRogue
02-13-21, 01:48
Seeking Arrangements advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.Excellent post, you're so right. SA is a complete wasteland. No one should be on there. None of the women are real. I mean exactly zero. I'm having such a horrible time on SA that I have to make up success stories and post them here to feel better about myself. That cute Viet coed I went out with two nights ago was a complete fabrication. Just a figment of my lurid imagination. All these SB's I'm texting all day long are hackers from Serbia wanting my bank account info, but I'm still happy for the attention because I'm that lonely and it beats talking to my pet parakeet. It's a scam. Stay off the site and leave it to deluded dreamers like me. And just like Yogi said: no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded.

Blue Swede
02-13-21, 10:50
Excellent post, you're so right. SA is a complete wasteland. No one should be on there. None of the women are real. I mean exactly zero. I'm having such a horrible time on SA that I have to make up success stories and post them here to feel better about myself. That cute Viet coed I went out with two nights ago was a complete fabrication. Just a figment of my lurid imagination. All these SB's I'm texting all day long are hackers from Serbia wanting my bank account info, but I'm still happy for the attention because I'm that lonely and it beats talking to my pet parakeet. It's a scam. Stay off the site and leave it to deluded dreamers like me. And just like Yogi said: no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded.I beg to differ! .

Of course YMMV and it depends on where you are, who you are and what you are looking for.

I am 60+ and have during the last 6 years found more lovely SBs than I have time to handle. There is, as discussed here, an effort to weed out the "trash" for sure. I can admit there is a lot of non interesting girls, but to say there is nothing to find on the site, is in my opinion not true.

I live in Sweden, where legislation forbids paying for sex. Sugardating is a way passing under the LE radar mostly, maybe making it more interesting for me compared to persons living in other countries?

I have also used SA in Norway, Spain, Germany (God know why?) and Greece and always found pretty, entertaining (in all different ways) and very nice girls. Backside is the general cost, which is a lot hisgher compared to regular escorts.

Elvis 2008
02-13-21, 23:11
I beg to differ!.Blue, I am not sure how good your English is or if it translates easily but Carlo was being sarcastic.

DramaFree11
02-14-21, 19:37
Excellent post, you're so right. SA is a complete wasteland. No one should be on there. None of the women are real. I mean exactly zero. I'm having such a horrible time on SA that I have to make up success stories and post them here to feel better about myself. That cute Viet coed I went out with two nights ago was a complete fabrication. Just a figment of my lurid imagination. All these SB's I'm texting all day long are hackers from Serbia wanting my bank account info, but I'm still happy for the attention because I'm that lonely and it beats talking to my pet parakeet. It's a scam. Stay off the site and leave it to deluded dreamers like me. And just like Yogi said: no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded.Too funny. I am making up my stories as well. I love SA, more stories to come. Some of these guys are same guys that go to HK with $50 and complain that they did not have a good time. SA takes hard work, money, a little luck and some game, but as I have said and many others much tougher in the states.

Vedrtu
02-14-21, 20:26
I am trying to upgrade my subscription on SA. Butt every time I try to pay, they suspend my acct. Tried it with multiple IDs.

Geographically I'm in India and trying to pay with US card, which works internationally. Hope that should not be the problem as I checked with the bank.

Any one faced this issue? Any suggestions / workaround.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

DramaFree11
02-14-21, 22:24
Too funny. I am making up my stories as well. I love SA, more stories to come. Some of these guys are same guys that go to HK with $50 and complain that they did not have a good time. SA takes hard work, money, a little luck and some game, but as I have said and many others much tougher in the states.The other funny part is many of these guys claim we are making up our stories. If they really knew how good it is, and many times in real life the experience is much better then we could ever explain on a post. Life is good.

NeilGeorge
02-15-21, 16:00
SA has gotten to where the women think they can get money (compensated for their time) at the initial meeting.

NeilGeorge
02-15-21, 16:39
I have noticed the price per month has increased, was $89 and is now $99. However if you do not auto-renew, you can get a cheaper rate of $69 if you register a new, with a different email account and use up your free messages. A pop up will then appear with the cheaper price after a couple of days of a new registration.

Blue Swede
02-15-21, 20:33
Blue, I am not sure how good your English is or if it translates easily but Carlo was being sarcastic.Oopps, missed that! Didn't read carefully enough! Sorry for that!

Steve 9696
02-15-21, 23:23
SA has gotten to where the women think they can get money (compensated for their time) at the initial meeting.There are surely some. Clear sign they are not going to fuck you for a couple hundred. They are doing you a favor of self opt out!

Elvis 2008
02-16-21, 05:44
I have given up trying to explain the appeal of SA to what seems like the majority of guys on this site. I have swapped tales and been told time and again the women only want you for one thing, money. And the women have been told we want one thing, sex. Going on SA means you are getting sex AND. For women, you are getting money AND. It is that part that makes SA or SB SD relationships so much better than just paying a working girl for a fuck.

I remember my ex fiance lecturing me on the subject. Why don't you not give a woman any money and see if she really likes you, she asked. I responded, Why don't you gain 50 pounds and see if a man really likes you? So I am tired of explaining why the SB SD / SA route works to people, because anyone who tries it knows the best experiences happen when it is not JUST money for sex.

On Dramafree's advice, I went to Monterrey, Mexico two weeks ago. This time was a repeat, and there was one woman named Nancy who just made my dick hard thinking about her. She is 20, thin, a former stripper, and has porn start talent and loves sex. When I saw her last time, she did not even ask for money. I just gave her a gift.

I started off seeing her first. She came around 11 AM. At 11:05 my cock was in her mouth. She was deep throating me, giving me the eye contact, and showing me her porno like BJ skills. She then started riding me. She is tight, perfect skin, incredible speed in the cowgirl position and then one orgasm and then another. I go into missionary with her. She is screaming, nails into my back, smacking my ass "mas rapido" she says, and we finish at the same time. After the post coital cuddle, I need some caffeine, and we head to Starbucks.

We talk some more and she shows me a video of the cartoon cat Garfield set to a James Brown song, and Nancy says with the song, "So good, so good", and it turns out that is her second favorite song.

We return to the hotel. Now I do not think I have ever met a woman hornier than me. I really do not. I was content to watch Netflix, recover, cuddle. Maybe we have sex you know another time before she goes at 5 or so.

As soon as we get back, she starts kissing me and I now learn the part of her favorite song. She looks at me, smiles, and then asks, "One more time?" Thank God to Eli Lilly for discovering Cialis because I still was all I could be. We start making out, and I get more aggressive playing with the hole other than her vagina. She moans and yells, "so good, so good". Multiple positions, multiple orgasms for her, but I hold my cum. It is now 2 PM.

I suggest we watch the Neflix show Big Mouth, highly recommended for intercoital relaxation BTW. I set the audio on English and put on Spanish subtitles. She watches. Big laughs. This is the funniest show ever per her. We get halfway through the second show and she grabs my cock and gives me this sheepish grin and asks, "One more time?

We do the "one more time", "so good so good", Netflix routine twice more. She says that she has to go and orders an Uber. I give her the money gift (she never asked for anything). She looks down at her Uber which is 15 minutes away and says, "One more time?" I use the Spanish phrase for my poor heart, tell her I am only one man, but we go at it again, and I lose it this time and cum.

And that was just the first half of my day.

I think Mary Cruz is my favorite looks wise of my three Monterrey keepers. She is a family doctor and very reserved. She has a great smile, flawless skin, and like a perfect body. When I first saw her, she had on a blazer, tube top, and gym shorts, and I proclaimed her a 10. This is the third time I see her, and the second time she is wearing a dress, and I cannot believe it. Somehow her dress shows her to have a big ass and a gut. I do not get it. Here is the rare woman who looks better out of clothes than in them.

So I try to get Mary to open up. Instead she opens up my pants. She is horny as fuck and wastes no time going down on me and dragging me to bed. Nancy is lithe, ballerina like, strong but in a slim girl kind of way. Mary is solid everywhere. She is slim but not skinny like Nancy and has obvious muscles in her back, arms, and legs. Everything about her strong: the force of her blowjob, the way she gets on top of me, even the way she orgasms, but it is a quiet strength. This is work out type fucking, and I love it. I get on top of her, and she grabs my ass and forces me in deeper with greater force, and we cum together.

She then goes from animal Mary to cute, quiet happy little Dr. Cruz. A sweet smile, head on my pecs, stroking my chest hairs. I try talking to her more. Ask questions, get one word answers and am content to leave her and me in the oxytocin fog. Ms. Mary Cruz woman of mystery.

Now I have had sex seven times?, shot my load three times, and I think there is no way I can get hard again, but Mary looks so cute and I start kissing her and Mary grabs junior and then "Boing! WTF? And Mary Cruz shows she does not want to let a load of good wood go to waste.

When Mary leaves, I am beat but smile and think to myself this is the best day of sex I have EVER had. That record lasts one day. Stay tuned for part 2.

Midwestern
02-16-21, 06:25
SA has gotten to where the women think they can get money (compensated for their time) at the initial meeting.Totally agree with Steve. Just avoid them. They will also say it's partly a test to see if we are really rich. After all, if we really are rich, then giving them a hundred bucks should be no big deal. But rich people don't just give out $100 bucks for a first date.

CarloRogue
02-17-21, 05:00
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Elvis 2008
02-17-21, 06:20
In hindsight, I have to laugh at the difference between Maria Cruz and Nancy. Nancy would wear tight pants, walk in heels, and give off the stripper vibe. When I was out with her, men would leer and give off this "I would fuck the shit out of you if I got a chance" vibe. She would turn men into savage beasts.

Both Maria Cruz and Nancy suck cock like their getting a scuba license. Their goal in life is to fuck so hard they break a bed frame and create a hole to China but of the bed room, they are so different. Men do not leer at Maria Cruz. She reminds of my ex-wife in the sense that men come up to her like dogs, panting, and asking for a pat on the head with the question, "Am I good boy?" Men are turned into boys at Sunday school class and if Maria Cruz gives them a pat on the head and says, "You are a good boy" they would smile and run away with glee.

Maybe it is because I have seen the devil in my ex this kind of response bugs me. When men do this with Maria Cruz, I so want to say, "I just paid this 'angel' for sex, and that means you are stupid, and you are NOT a good boy" but I do not think that would even work. They would still want her approval. Maria Cruz, angel during the day and devil at night, if the men only knew.

I am glad I met these women on seeking because had I not, I am not sure I would not be intimidated. It is amazing the power they have over men and then there is Elma.

Elma was my afternoon date. She is a personal trainer and looks the part. She is like the fitness chick at your local gym: powerful, confident, feminine, and seemingly unobtainable.

I had seen Elma before and have not put her in my 3 keeper category. One could make a case she had the best body of anyone. She was not as slim as Maria Cruz but even more muscular but still in a feminine way. Unlike Maria, she had great fashion sense. She dressed to the nines and elicited her fair share of stares when walking through the hotel lobby.

We caught up on things, and we started kissing. Now I was questioning why I had not elevated her to keeper status. Eventually we went to the bed, and her BJ was just not as good as the other women: a little too much teeth. I probably should have said something but I was afraid it would dampen the mood. For sex, she insisted on a condom again. Sigh. The sex was good not great. She got on top, got off. We then did doggie, and I got off in missionary.

We played the part of SB SD and did the I missed you Te extrano part, but the truth is when I was done with her, I was ready for her to go. I think she would have gone another round. It speaks volumes to me about how great Monterrey is in that that this woman would probably be a top 100 escort in the USA and I was less than thrilled with her because my three keepers are that much better.

The other turnoff with her was that she set a price, and it was higher than the gifts I gave the other women. I felt like she was not a gift but a wage. With the other women, it was sex and with her it was just sex.

I think she was a little upset I did not see her again. I was there two more days and did not text her and she checked out my profile again.

Thing is she really got into the sex. There was passion there that does not exist in a pure P4 P situation, and I could and probably should have corrected the BJ thing.

But the SB thing is something else. Every time I have tried to correct that and say, "I feel like we have more of a hooker relationship than a SD SB one", the women react the same way: they want more money. In this case, I am sure she could find a guy who would give her more. A lot of men would die to have her on her arm. I am just not one of them.

Later that night, I got to meet Dramafree. We met at the Sonora Grill, and he was well known there. I cannot believe anyone would turn down a chance to meet him there. The waiters gave him and us VIP treatment. We compared notes, women, places, and had a great time.

Of my three keepers, the only one available was Nancy, and it turned out DF knew her. First, DF's date came and she was very pretty and classy. Nancy was supposed to arrive at 7 PM, and she got there at around 8:15 which is early by Mexican standards.

Nancy dominated my attention and soon we were swaying to the tunes that Sonora had going. I had the excellent beef tacos as did DF but Nancy had whiskey and then Tequila, a liquid dinner. It was time to go and Nancy patted her tequila glass and said to me, "One more time". So yes, she had one more shot.

My phone was dead, and Nancy got the Uber, and it was a good thing. A few minutes into the ride, she started playing with junior and then unzipped him to let him breathe. I swear she would have been given me head had I let her.

My third keeper is Florence, and she was due at 10 PM so Nancy and I went at it. She was even more wild and even more orgasmic when she was drunk which I did not think was possible.

So Florence is now in the lobby. Nancy was game to meet her and down for a threesome. I had showed Florence Nancy's picture and she liked her, but I did not know how she would react as I had not told her we would be meeting. Florence actually jumped and clapped when I mentioned a threesome or trio in espanol.

I have had awkward threesomes before but this was not like that. Hell, Nancy got me hard with a super BJ and told Florence it was her turn to take a ride. Flo got off on top and then we moved to missionary with Nancy pushing on my ass so I could go deeper into Flo with more force. I had never seen that before, and Flo was moaning with delight. I then went back to Nancy and held my cum again. I had a lot more fucking to do that night.

I mentioned to both of them going to Cancun. I asked about a time, and they were both excited to go. So I went online and booked tickets. Eventually, it came to the part where we had to put in their names. It was funny. I told Nancy to put in her name and then I went and fucked Flo. Then they switched places.

Dramafree mentioned that he could only take Nancy in doses and I knew what he meant. Thing is that I learned how to give the shiny women their objects. I put in filters for our Airbnb in Cancun and told the women to pick their place. I was surprised but they did it in less than an hour.

There was more fucking and then we did the other shiny object game of letting Flo pick out her bikini and lingerie. BTW, guys, you may want to check out shein.com. One of my SBs showed it to me, and you can get high quality goods for $10 to $20 an item.

Flo is 32, and Nancy is 20 but she looks younger, so we decided to go with the notion that Flo is my date and Nancy is my step daughter. The girls took their parts very well. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

So we are in bed, and one girl is on one arm, and one girl is on the other. I just was thinking to myself, "How many guys ever get this in their life?" I was truly living the dream.

Still, I was not satisfied that I got enough Flo. Flo speaks okay English, and I start kissing her. I ask, "Did you think about how I fucked you last time?" She giggled and said yes. Now I start stroking her breasts. "Did you get wet thinking about meeting this time?" She said yes. I told her that I had a fantasy about her working for me in a short skirt and my flirting with her all day and then asking her to come into my office close the door, and give me dictation. She started stroking my cock. She then says in Spanish "Muy duro (very hard)". I tell her I want to fuck her again. She says "but Nancy will wake up. " I somehow wiggle my arm and chest away from Nancy and get on time of Flo. Maybe it is the forbidden nature of fucking with someone supposedly asleep but the fucking was amazing. Flo let it flow and I could hear her go off time and again.

I then look up and see Nancy playing with her pussy, and of course, she says to me, "One more time", and I lift myself off of Flo and onto Nancy. I pound away at Nancy and then we switch to Cowgirl. Nancy is riding me so hard and fast and I lose it, barely pulling out in time.

I then go back to my position of both girls with one hand on my chest and head on shoulder, and this time I go to sleep. For once, I have had enough fucking for one day.

Now you may say, "Well, Elvis, I have had a threesome before. What was so great about this?" I guess it would say it was because it was a threesome among friends. Before I went to bed with either woman, I had talked to them over coffee about their life, dreams, and values.

Sexually, that trust made it so I could go bare from one to the other which enhanced the experience. I also saw how these women respected my money and opted for an Airbnb that was not too expensive. Neither woman ever set a price or asked for money but I have been generous with my gifts. Still, Flo left that morning without asking for a dime.

So, yeah, I think it is that trust that made all the difference, and the other was the fun. That is the other part. I talked about our fun trip to Cancun, and all we were going to do and the women were so excited.

It is hard finding a good looking woman on seeking that is pleasant and great in the sack. I found two women like that, who were both bi, who both liked each other, and who both trusted me. That is a very rare occurrence. And the end result was the best night of sex I ever had in my life.

Thanks Dramafree! And thanks Seeking!

The picture below is of Elma.

Midwestern
02-18-21, 04:31
Man, those were great full reports. I especially enjoyed reading about your times with Nancy.

I actually think most of us on this thread are fans of Seeking. It's just a lot of work in the states, but overall it is worth it in my honest opinion.

Frank Lucas
02-18-21, 05:00
I am glad that I found this thread about seeking. I have chatted with DF in the past about seeking in Houston. So, I tried a few here recently but got a few flakes and gave up. But, the first time I tried seeking 2 years ago it was great, got a hot 20-year-old Latina who said she needed car payment money and she BBFS me for 2 hours at $200. I thought that was a lot at the time but looking back I see that I got a pretty good deal. You guys are right about it taking time to cultivate the playing field that is seeking. But, reading reports like the one Elvis posted gets me motivated to try again and give it more time and energy. I used to visit MTY all the time years ago and hope to return again as I love MTY beauties. Cheers fellas.

HelloIm
02-19-21, 21:53
I have given up trying to explain the appeal of SA to what seems like the majority of guys on this site. I have swapped tales and been told time and again the women only want you for one thing, money. And the women have been told we want one thing, sex. Going on SA means you are getting sex AND. For women, you are getting money AND. It is that part that makes SA or SB SD relationships so much better than just paying a working girl for a fuck.

I remember my ex fiance lecturing me on the subject. Why don't you not give a woman any money and see if she really likes you, she asked. I responded, Why don't you gain 50 pounds and see if a man really likes you? So I am tired of explaining why the SB SD / SA route works to people, because anyone who tries it knows the best experiences happen when it is not JUST money for sex.

On Dramafree's advice, I went to Monterrey, Mexico two weeks ago. This time was a repeat, and there was one woman named Nancy who just made my dick hard thinking about her. She is 20, thin, a former stripper, and has porn start talent and loves sex. When I saw her last time, she did not even ask for money. I just gave her a gift.

I started off seeing her first. She came around 11 AM. At 11:05 my cock was in her mouth. She was deep throating me, giving me the eye contact, and showing me her porno like BJ skills. She then started riding me. She is tight, perfect skin, incredible speed in the cowgirl position and then one orgasm and then another. I go into missionary with her. She is screaming, nails into my back, smacking my ass "mas rapido" she says, and we finish at the same time. After the post coital cuddle, I need some caffeine, and we head to Starbucks.

We talk some more and she shows me a video of the cartoon cat Garfield set to a James Brown song, and Nancy says with the song, "So good, so good", and it turns out that is her second favorite song.

We return to the hotel. Now I do not think I have ever met a woman hornier than me. I really do not. I was content to watch Netflix, recover, cuddle. Maybe we have sex you know another time before she goes at 5 or so.

As soon as we get back, she starts kissing me and I now learn the part of her favorite song. She looks at me, smiles, and then asks, "One more time?" Thank God to Eli Lilly for discovering Cialis because I still was all I could be. We start making out, and I get more aggressive playing with the hole other than her vagina. She moans and yells, "so good, so good". Multiple positions, multiple orgasms for her, but I hold my cum. It is now 2 PM.

I suggest we watch the Neflix show Big Mouth, highly recommended for intercoital relaxation BTW. I set the audio on English and put on Spanish subtitles. She watches. Big laughs. This is the funniest show ever per her. We get halfway through the second show and she grabs my cock and gives me this sheepish grin and asks, "One more time?

We do the "one more time", "so good so good", Netflix routine twice more. She says that she has to go and orders an Uber. I give her the money gift (she never asked for anything). She looks down at her Uber which is 15 minutes away and says, "One more time?" I use the Spanish phrase for my poor heart, tell her I am only one man, but we go at it again, and I lose it this time and cum.

And that was just the first half of my day.

I think Mary Cruz is my favorite looks wise of my three Monterrey keepers. She is a family doctor and very reserved. She has a great smile, flawless skin, and like a perfect body. When I first saw her, she had on a blazer, tube top, and gym shorts, and I proclaimed her a 10. This is the third time I see her, and the second time she is wearing a dress, and I cannot believe it. Somehow her dress shows her to have a big ass and a gut. I do not get it. Here is the rare woman who looks better out of clothes than in them.

So I try to get Mary to open up. Instead she opens up my pants. She is horny as fuck and wastes no time going down on me and dragging me to bed. Nancy is lithe, ballerina like, strong but in a slim girl kind of way. Mary is solid everywhere. She is slim but not skinny like Nancy and has obvious muscles in her back, arms, and legs. Everything about her strong: the force of her blowjob, the way she gets on top of me, even the way she orgasms, but it is a quiet strength. This is work out type fucking, and I love it. I get on top of her, and she grabs my ass and forces me in deeper with greater force, and we cum together.

She then goes from animal Mary to cute, quiet happy little Dr. Cruz. A sweet smile, head on my pecs, stroking my chest hairs. I try talking to her more. Ask questions, get one word answers and am content to leave her and me in the oxytocin fog. Ms. Mary Cruz woman of mystery.

Now I have had sex seven times?, shot my load three times, and I think there is no way I can get hard again, but Mary looks so cute and I start kissing her and Mary grabs junior and then "Boing! WTF? And Mary Cruz shows she does not want to let a load of good wood go to waste.

When Mary leaves, I am beat but smile and think to myself this is the best day of sex I have EVER had. That record lasts one day. Stay tuned for part 2.Hi Elvis, I am new to SA. I see a few forum mentions of not discussing prices before meeting up and people even mention fucking or getting BBFS before even any mentions of prices. Then they give the woman a gift as they are about to leave.

Is this a normal scenario that should be cultivated, or should I just go into every initial SA meet up expecting nothing but to get to know them and have fun?

Thanks for your guidance.

Helloim.

Steve 9696
02-20-21, 05:03
Hi Elvis, I am new to SA. I see a few forum mentions of not discussing prices before meeting up and people even mention fucking or getting BBFS before even any mentions of prices. Then they give the woman a gift as they are about to leave.

Is this a normal scenario that should be cultivated, or should I just go into every initial SA meet up expecting nothing but to get to know them and have fun?

Thanks for your guidance.

Helloim.My experience is predominantly US based and I prefer to discuss pricing beforehand and close in a single night if possible. It depends a bit on the girl but I've had several Seeking virgins where we haven't discussed money but they were disappointed with $300-400 on the backend. I guess they read about girls getting $1000 or something and have unrealistic expectations. I don't like that feeling of them not being satisfied with the outcome so I try to always discuss price first. This has to be done delicately. I wrote about that here but it's prob 10-20 pages back. I can repost if you like.

As far as when to close the date with sex I think that first night is always best. You have a good time and momentum. And they could get cold feet by date 2 if they are new. If your not going to close night one I try to at least have a kiss. Preferably a passionate one. Girls where I haven't closed with a passionate kiss I've not had a successful date 2. But that may be self fulfilling. If they kiss you passionately they want date 2 and if not maybe they don't. That said the current girl I'm courting we had a peck kiss close on date 1 and I thought that was it. But no she swears she wants to get it on next date. We talked extensively about what we like in bed tonight and closed the night with a video of her doing the vibrator so things look promising.

So I try to discuss money before date and close the deal first night. I know other guys are different. I think Midwestern is a platonic coffee date first date guy for example. I suppose in the end if you win her over it doesn't matter.

Elvis 2008
02-20-21, 19:40
Hi Elvis, I am new to SA. I see a few forum mentions of not discussing prices before meeting up and people even mention fucking or getting BBFS before even any mentions of prices. Then they give the woman a gift as they are about to leave.

Is this a normal scenario that should be cultivated, or should I just go into every initial SA meet up expecting nothing but to get to know them and have fun?

HelloIm,

Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.

HelloIm
02-21-21, 07:21
HelloIm,

Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry. Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?

Midwestern
02-21-21, 11:32
Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?If you're doing this in the USA, then I would follow Steve's advice.

Steve 9696
02-21-21, 14:30
Since we have new folks joining the group here, thought my newbie guide might help. This is primarily in the USA, though I did Argentina and UK with similar approach. And this was written for fly-in and may need adjustment for hometown game. Others who have done more pro / liberal destinations like MDE or MTY may want to augment.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you chave to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

So start with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative -- the conversation will just die. You have to drive it -- and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself -- what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person -- It doesn't really matter-- just something that will get her to engage a bit.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

Once over to text, you can discuss allowance / gifts (never "her price" or "how much you charge") though some guys leave that for in person dates. Because I am a fly-in guy and want to close the deal -- I. E. Go to the room and have sex the very first night, I prefer to get this elephant out of the room before the date if possible. But again, you can't go straight here. Start first with how you see the date going.

I usually say something about going out and having an epic time and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX! And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often they will be down with this description -- I mean we are all on SA for a reason.

This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. As of this writing, with A LOT of searching and false starts I'the say most big cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more) with SF and NYC more like $500. $300 is more like it for second tier cities, and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category).

Once you have established "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

Mongerer88
02-21-21, 14:31
HelloIm,

Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.I angered a guy in a post many years ago in the Barcelona thread, and he never came back, and I feel bad when that happens. There was once a cottage industry here on ISG of guys who would spend time at shopping malls in various Latin American countries and in the Philippines, meet women, and they would hang out for a few days, the guys would buy them gifts, and make a cash payment at the end. Some guys tried to pay very little at the end, and the debatable issue is whether they hurt the market for others. From the female perspective in a poor country, she is often willing to take a small change of making a large profit, including the possibility of marriage with a move to a wealthier country. You do not seem to see this same activity in Thailand, perhaps due to the difficulty of a lady who has worked in the sex industry getting a marriage visa. I think I have read that before. I agree with Elvis that "not feeling like a prostitute" can contribute to the above-described behavior. I always thought is was from early childhood trauma caused directly by the Catholic Church, but the idea of a lady wanting to immediately differentiating herself from the hordes of available low-priced sex workers in the country may be more accurate.

I patiently explained these basic economic concepts to the guy who wanted to know the best mall in Barcelona to continue his exploits, but he called me condescending when I told him he would strike out. I explained to him the best places to buy sex in Barcelona, but he was not appreciative.

Now Seeking Arrangement exists in Latin America, Barcelona, and the United States. And its online shopping aspect has replaced the cute girl working at, or roaming, the big shopping malls in Latin America who would be amenable to an arrangement. But one part of economics hasn't changed. The wealthier the country, the smaller the chance of finding a lady who will take a small chance of making a large profit, with a small chance of getting completely burned at the end. Of course the guys who would burn her at the end are not really friends to the guys who pay the supposed market price.

I just continue to disagree with anyone who thinks there are cultural differences between breeds of women. There are American women who are just as attractive as Mexican women and who will do the same things sexually. They just cost a fuck of a lot more. If Mexico were allowed to freely produce drugs and sell them worldwide, and the wealth were divided in a manner that made women in Mexico have the same income\wealth as American women, the sugar baby scene would not be as good in Mexico, nor would a connection to the United States be as attractive a characteristic for the potential Sugar Daddy.

TonyMontanaaO7
02-21-21, 16:26
Over the past 1.5 years, my experiences with SE have been mostly positive. It's been far more useful than any of the other 6 or so sites I've used. I've had to weed through a lot of time wasters who will likely never meet anyone and more than a few scammers, but that's not unusual and in fact much worse on other sites I've been on.

I had a very bad experience with a scammer over a year ago. I reported her, giving great detail about her actions but I never received any reply and I know she remained very active for the following year, probably scamming many other guys. It would have been nice to at least received some reply indicating why no action would be taken. Seeking claimed to take such matters seriously, yet as I said, I didn't even receive a response to my report.

Elvis 2008
02-21-21, 20:29
Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?HelloIM,

You need to get out of the price mentality. A gift is just that. If the woman is truly a sugar baby, I focus my gift on their needs. Being a sugar daddy, a real one, means you are investing in the woman. With a working girl, I do not care if she spends all her money on drugs. Not my problem. With a SB, I care and give like I have a daughter. I am going to be far more liberal with money for education and health than for the latest fashions. What you will find is women will respond to this by not wanting you to give them anything, to show they are not hookers.

You often do have to wade through a sea of hookers to get a real sugar baby, but that is the fun of the hunt.

Elvis 2008
02-21-21, 20:41
Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.Great guide Steve! I was so tired of guys saying all the women on SA are hookers and who have never used it. Now I think it is just more for us. You do not send photos to escorts, have to have game to pick up hookers, and not talk sex to street walkers.

Yes, we are paying for it, but maybe that criticism will grow teeth when I see a beauty queen with an average looking unemployed guy with no money.

HelloIm
02-22-21, 02:47
Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.

Midwestern
02-22-21, 03:10
Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.Generalizations are always just that, but IMHO, BBFS is more likely with non-pros than with pros. So, yes, there are more BBFS opportunities on SA. And, and in my experience, if they are DTF, then they are down for BBFS on the first date. For pros on SA, they will likely only go for covered action.

Midwestern
02-22-21, 03:20
Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.

Steve 9696
02-22-21, 03:25
Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

Thank you all.So U can surely get great SA girls in South America. But it's really not necessary. What I mean is the pro and semi pro scene in Brasil and Colombia is to die for. And cheap! Whereas in the US it's hideously expensive and really the girls are nothing to write home about compared to South America (at least not for under $500+ an hour. So in the USA, Seeking is the only game in town IMO. I mean for $400 you get an 8+ for four hours or overnight. You can't touch that with hookers.

But in South American you can already get hotties for extended time very reasonably. So you don't need SA in SA! LOL. Of course it works. It's just not nearly as needed as in the USA.

GuyBrusg1957
02-22-21, 03:53
Seeking com aka Seekingarrangement.I am confused.

Should I be going to.

Seeking.com

Seeking Arrangements takes me to sugardaddymeet.com.

Steve 9696
02-22-21, 04:09
Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.Yea MW is right. Since I wrote the guide I've run into a girl or two where the text chemistry was great but the in person chemistry wasn't there and that's a bummer of course. And with Lucy Miami her text game was basically nonexistent. But in person she’s a Colombian wildcat and our 5 hours dancing and fucking were pretty spectacular! So yeah getting on a date is the only way to know.

And alcohol is KEY with newbies. I guarantee several of the deals I closed were socially lubricated. No regrets either way we both knew what we were doing but it all flows so much easier just like in real life. Actually my most recent date we had good text but mostly she's beautiful so we met up. In person she was really shy and awkward looking away, not knowing how to act. But after a good solid drink (followed by more) she lost her guard and we really had a blast. By the end she was feeding me from her plate off her fork and ended up putting her foot up on my knee to massage her calf. Clearly if we had more time this woulda been a done deal (long story) but we parted with a kiss (which she later apologized for being awkward and lame) and will hopefully seal the deal later this week.

Blue Swede
02-22-21, 08:55
I am confused.

Should I be going to.

Seeking.com

Seeking Arrangements takes me to sugardaddymeet.com.Seeking.

Seekingarrangement.

Seekingarrangements.

With dot com ending, all takes me to seeking dot com, which is the site discussed as SA.

Elvis 2008
02-22-21, 14:27
Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?Yes, Steve is right. You do not seed SA in South America to get laid however you are more likely to meet a higher quality of woman with SA than a hooker.

In Monterrey, Mexico, I used SA and got six women, five were BBFS. In Colombia, there was one hooker that allowed semi bare back. She would dip it in and then out, but I could not tip enough to get hookers to do BBFS. With SA in Colombia, I eventually went bare with all the women.

The Colombian government scares the women not going bare. By the way, the plan be birth control, one pill after sex is better protection against pregnancy than condoms, is over the counter and cheap in Colombia. It is a good place to load up. That drug is levonorgestrel and you give the woman 1500 MG one time after sex. It officially lasts 3 days but unofficially lasts 5 days.


And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?Most of the time but some a few women like to take their time.

Steve 9696
03-01-21, 18:18
So I am hopefully traveling soon and have embarked on a search. A few thoughts and or advice as I start here on a new city.

Hun and Love. I've noticed a few girls I am in contact with calling me hun or hunny or love. In the past I've associated those terms with hookers. Just based on prior experience. And maybe it doesn't even matter. But what's your experience there. Are these code words for I am a pro? Or am I reading too much into it.

Directness. Recently when I was engaging with girls and getting offers of $700 and $1000 - not kidding — I was pretty bummed. I just started casting a wider net with a pre canned message of "I'm coming to xxx on yyy and going to have dinner and drinks and more, depending on chemistry with some awesome girl. Maybe that's you? Let's chat" And got a lot of responses from very good prospects. It cut thru a bunch of the BS back and forth. I was surprised at how easy that was for an opener.

Directness 2. I had recently analyzed what my favorite SBs all have in common. So once I started texting a girl I just said it outright. That the girls I really like are all Xxx yyy zzz and love to kiss. That last one rather sexualizes the interaction and frankly it's true — if she doesn't love to kiss then she's not for me. And again surprised at how this directness works. Like pretty much everyone I had engaged to that level was like "yep that's me".

So I am continually learning!

Elvis 2008
03-02-21, 03:27
So I am hopefully traveling soon and have embarked on a search. A few thoughts and or advice as I start here on a new city.

Directness. Recently when I was engaging with girls and getting offers of $700 and $1000 - not kidding I was pretty bummed. I just started casting a wider net with a pre canned message of "I'm coming to xxx on yyy and going to have dinner and drinks and more, depending on chemistry with some awesome girl. Maybe that's you? Let's chat" And got a lot of responses from very good prospects. It cut thru a bunch of the BS back and forth. I was surprised at how easy that was for an opener.Steve,

That breaks my heart. You have to come meet me and Dramafree in Monterrey and I will introduce you to women who will blow your socks off for 20% of that amount. I have two very nice women I can hand off to you, and Steve, they are beautiful and they are not your typical American screwups. Monterrey is an hour and a half flight from Dallas or Houston, so I think you can hit it in almost four hours from anywhere in the USA.

I have guys I am going to meet going to Colombia in a few weeks and others wanting to go to Brazil in the summer. I hope you consider saving up and going with us.

I have a trip planned with Flo and Nancy for four days, and it is going to cost a little above that $700 to $1000 mark, and it is with two women for four days. $1000 for a meet? Fuck that place, dude.

Steve 9696
03-02-21, 18:19
Steve,

That breaks my heart. You have to come meet me and Dramafree in Monterrey and I will introduce you to women who will blow your socks off for 20% of that amount. I have two very nice women I can hand off to you, and Steve, they are beautiful and they are not your typical American screwups. Monterrey is an hour and a half flight from Dallas or Houston, so I think you can hit it in almost four hours from anywhere in the USA.

I have guys I am going to meet going to Colombia in a few weeks and others wanting to go to Brazil in the summer. I hope you consider saving up and going with us.

I have a trip planned with Flo and Nancy for four days, and it is going to cost a little above that $700 to $1000 mark, and it is with two women for four days. $1000 for a meet? Fuck that place, dude.Yeah kinda breaks my heart too. My buddy is in Medellin and Snapchatting me the duos he's having for $70 total. And they are HOT. Sigh. The US sucks. At least we have seeking.

I'm kinda fixated on one girl now who is super hot Colombiana bar tender and super sweet as well. For allowance she just said "we can start with something small and increase as our relationship grows. Whatever you are comfortable with I wouldn't want to impose".

Is that cool? Or is there a hammer about to fall on me? Most girls just state their price. Two have given me that sort of line. Any advice. Push on it or just deal in person after sex?

Elvis 2008
03-02-21, 19:37
Yeah kinda breaks my heart too. My buddy is in Medellin and Snapchatting me the duos he's having for $70 total. And they are HOT. Sigh. The US sucks. At least we have seeking.

I'm kinda fixated on one girl now who is super hot Colombiana bar tender and super sweet as well. For allowance she just said "we can start with something small and increase as our relationship grows. Whatever you are comfortable with I wouldn't want to impose".

Is that cool? Or is there a hammer about to fall on me? Most girls just state their price. Two have given me that sort of line. Any advice. Push on it or just deal in person after sex?I tried the monthly allowance thing. I think there have been three or four times in my life a woman's beauty just left me speechless. The last time I did monthly was with one of these girls. She was a mixed girl and a great lover. This was back 10 years ago, and I did something I would not today, $2000 a month.

Every second after she got that money, she was angling for more. Halfway into the month, there was just a straw that broke the camel's back, and I was like "Fuck it, I am out. " She called me back a few years later, I saw her and fucked her at her place which was very nice. She claimed to have a job and then I realized she did not. She hooked up with a guy, sucked him dry, and he put up with her longer than I did. I think they lived together, and she bought him tons of things, and then when she turned him down, he lost it and hit her, and she got him kicked out of their place. Seeing what she did with him sealed it for me, and I never saw her again. The notion that she is a victim in today's society just makes me sick. She is and was a blood sucker.

So when I told women that is why I never paid monthly, they never pushed it. People have said that paying by the month makes women feel more like working girls, and my response to that is I do not care. I am not going to be suckered like that again. Paying in advance is almost always a bad idea.

As for her offering you a lower bargain rate, that goes against the natural order as well. For women, there is less fear factor with the known and so I saw they would take less as I got to know them better. Also, usually with men, the pleasure goes down after the first and second meeting with a woman so the value is less as well. I would usually start higher and then go lower especially if the women were not performing as well.

As for a bartender, I am assuming she works here and is from Colombia. Maybe there is a female bartender that is not a flake or drunk, but I cannot recall meeting and getting to know one that is not.

My last SB found herself in that field. She is stunning but more than that she is a health nut and gives off this healthy woman, therapist vibe. So we go out to eat at some sub shop like Subway, and she is asked by staff how she is doing and she says, "Fine, how are you?" Time and again, people would go over all their problems with her for like 15 minutes even if it meant holding up the line. It was bizarre.

The real irony and one of the reasons she liked me so much is that I knew she was bipolar and I really got what that entailed. So often after one of these therapy sessions, we would head back to my place, and she would say, "Elvis, I want to kill myself. I am thinking about slashing my wrists", and I would have to soothe her and talk her out of it.

I am not sure that is what a typical female bartender is. Great listening, problem solving, sweet, chaste woman at the bar and wrist slashing sugar baby in private, but I do not think that is really so much of an exception for bartenders.

CarloRogue
03-03-21, 02:33
I tried the monthly allowance thing. I think there have been three or four times in my life a woman's beauty just left me speechless. The last time I did monthly was with one of these girls. She was a mixed girl and a great lover. This was back 10 years ago, and I did something I would not today, $2000 a month.

Every second after she got that money, she was angling for more. Halfway into the month, there was just a straw that broke the camel's back, and I was like "Fuck it, I am out. " She called me back a few years later, I saw her and fucked her at her place which was very nice. She claimed to have a job and then I realized she did not. She hooked up with a guy, sucked him dry, and he put up with her longer than I did. I think they lived together, and she bought him tons of things, and then when she turned him down, he lost it and hit her, and she got him kicked out of their place. Seeing what she did with him sealed it for me, and I never saw her again. The notion that she is a victim in today's society just makes me sick. She is and was a blood sucker..Lots of good observations in the last few threads, which I'll confirm from my experience. Of course, stereotypes are only held by bigots, monsters, and misanthropes in general, blah blah blah. But patterns exist nonetheless.

"Luv", "Hon": it's been observed many times that these terms are not typically used by your girl next door on the first message with a stranger.

Regular and / or advanced payments: yep, just don't do it, unless you like being taken for granted.

Bartenders: they're fun, they're social, everybody loves them, their cell phone is blowing up all day / all night. It's hard for them to keep up with all the attention, so don't take it personally when they don't get back to you right away. Or ever again.

Now of course, YMMV. But it probably won't.

DramaFree11
03-03-21, 12:57
I tried the monthly allowance thing. I think there have been three or four times in my life a woman's beauty just left me speechless. The last time I did monthly was with one of these girls. She was a mixed girl and a great lover. This was back 10 years ago, and I did something I would not today, $2000 a month.

Every second after she got that money, she was angling for more. Halfway into the month, there was just a straw that broke the camel's back, and I was like "Fuck it, I am out. " She called me back a few years later, I saw her and fucked her at her place which was very nice. She claimed to have a job and then I realized she did not. She hooked up with a guy, sucked him dry, and he put up with her longer than I did. I think they lived together, and she bought him tons of things, and then when she turned him down, he lost it and hit her, and she got him kicked out of their place. Seeing what she did with him sealed it for me, and I never saw her again. The notion that she is a victim in today's society just makes me sick. She is and was a blood sucker.

So when I told women that is why I never paid monthly, they never pushed it. People have said that paying by the month makes women feel more like working girls, and my response to that is I do not care. I am not going to be suckered like that again. Paying in advance is almost always a bad idea.I have also had issues with monthly allowances. Not sure I would do it again, unless I have known the girl for several months, even then probably not.

DramaFree11
03-03-21, 13:01
Steve,

That breaks my heart. You have to come meet me and Dramafree in Monterrey and I will introduce you to women who will blow your socks off for 20% of that amount. I have two very nice women I can hand off to you, and Steve, they are beautiful and they are not your typical American screwups. Monterrey is an hour and a half flight from Dallas or Houston, so I think you can hit it in almost four hours from anywhere in the USA.

I have guys I am going to meet going to Colombia in a few weeks and others wanting to go to Brazil in the summer. I hope you consider saving up and going with us.

I have a trip planned with Flo and Nancy for four days, and it is going to cost a little above that $700 to $1000 mark, and it is with two women for four days. $1000 for a meet? Fuck that place, dude.Yep, it would be a great time, Steve. MTY is so much fun and there are some extremely hot girls there. I am banging way better girls then I was meeting in Kiev and Colombia, not even close, but I am close to MTY and I am focusing all my resources there. The plan and the hard work is definitely working.

Elvis I hope your trip goes well.

Steve 9696
03-03-21, 15:55
Lots of good observations in the last few threads, which I'll confirm from my experience. Of course, stereotypes are only held by bigots, monsters, and misanthropes in general, blah blah blah. But patterns exist nonetheless.

"Luv", "Hon": it's been observed many times that these terms are not typically used by your girl next door on the first message with a stranger.

Regular and / or advanced payments: yep, just don't do it, unless you like being taken for granted.

Bartenders: they're fun, they're social, everybody loves them, their cell phone is blowing up all day / all night. It's hard for them to keep up with all the attention, so don't take it personally when they don't get back to you right away. Or ever again.

Now of course, YMMV. But it probably won't.MMIV — My Mileage is Varying!

We are chatting nightly and she is plenty fiirty and open. She is clearly a bar tender at where she says she is because she knows things about that you wouldn't normally know. She's not a catfish for sure. Really open with dropping a current no makeup selfie if it's relevant to the chat. And fuck she looks great even no makeup.

She seems a bit too good to be true so keeping eyes and options open. But so far just a bundle of fun (very quick witted) and very optimistic. I've found some real gems so hoping she is one.

Elvis 2008
03-03-21, 18:21
Elvis I hope your trip goes well.Thanks, brother. If it works out, I will have to do it one more time.

AddisDude
03-05-21, 02:03
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LivingFossil
03-05-21, 20:26
Mongers,

I have never used SA but would like to give it a chance, however I see a problem. I do not want to put my real name into this site to get premium and they only take CC it seems. Any suggestions?

AshleyMadison and other sites have been hacked and your information can be leaked. Yea I am the nervous type. Thanks.

CarloRogue
03-06-21, 00:41
Mongers,

I have never used SA but would like to give it a chance, however I see a problem. I do not want to put my real name into this site to get premium and they only take CC it seems. Any suggestions?

AshleyMadison and other sites have been hacked and your information can be leaked. Yea I am the nervous type. Thanks.One Vanilla pre-paid VISA debit card (non-reloadable). Whatever address you use on the payment form, remember and reuse it for whenever you renew.

NeilGeorge
03-06-21, 02:51
Hun and Love. I've noticed a few girls I am in contact with calling me hun or hunny or love. In the past I've associated those terms with hookers. Just based on prior experience. And maybe it doesn't even matter. But what's your experience there. Are these code words for I am a pro? Or am I reading too much into it.
Usually the waitresses at the BBQ places call me Sweetheart, Hun or Love because they are trying to get more tip money out of me. I tell them, in the South we call strangers "Sir or Madam. " Sometimes I ask them if they know my name, if they are calling me their "Hun. " They usually say they call everyone that name.

AmericanPi
03-08-21, 15:16
For those who have been successful and happy with SA, do you put your real photo on your profile? How do you guard against people who know you seeing you?

Nounce
03-08-21, 19:31
For those who have been successful and happy with SA, do you put your real photo on your profile? How do you guard against people who know you seeing you?I don't have photos. It has not been an issue for me but I don't know if it will be better with photos. I do send photo via chat apps early on in the chat apps.

Steve 9696
03-08-21, 20:43
For those who have been successful and happy with SA, do you put your real photo on your profile? How do you guard against people who know you seeing you?Same as Nounce. No photo and never a problem. I mention in my profile that I will send by text or email. Seriously only ever had one or two girls out of thousands mention it. Guess it's pretty common w daddies.

P.S. Tip. If you do send a photo and are paranoid make sure it can't be reverse searched. One way to do this is take a pic of your photo on the computer screen. The pixels will be all different.

NapataJohn
03-08-21, 20:59
I tell them I will do Meet and Greet in daylight as Starbucks and if she likes me we proceed else I pay her Uber and drinks and bid Bye to her. Not sending any pics at all, either by chat or phone. About 3 out of 10 girls say they have to have a pic to meet me and I go on to the next girl.

Bdb013
03-08-21, 21:04
I have been planning an upcoming trip to Puebla Mexico for next week. I have used SA exclusively. I have contacts for myself and 2 other buddies that we will never be able to see all of them. Each one is lovely, between the ages of 19 and 26. All will do anything we want at our hotel. I have singles set up and a couple of 3 sums set up.

I use SA here at home and abroad. Its a little expensive and requires a little work but the results are amazing.

Bdb013
03-08-21, 21:07
I don't have photos. It has not been an issue for me but I don't know if it will be better with photos. I do send photo via chat apps early on in the chat apps.I only have private photos, never post a public photo.

Butch145
03-09-21, 02:13
I put a pic with a hat and dark glasses so that way its hard to ID me and its close up. That way no one really can tell who it is. Never asked a question and works everytime.

Cuba Tourist
03-09-21, 03:00
Is there a way to manipulate a photo so it still looks more or less like you but not exactly so if a friend sees it, there is plausible deniability?

AmericanPi
03-09-21, 03:35
Steve, Nounce. Thank you gentlemen.


Same as Nounce. No photo and never a problem. I mention in my profile that I will send by text or email. Seriously only ever had one or two girls out of thousands mention it. Guess it's pretty common w daddies.

P.S. Tip. If you do send a photo and are paranoid make sure it can't be reverse searched. One way to do this is take a pic of your photo on the computer screen. The pixels will be all different.

Steve 9696
03-09-21, 17:24
I have been planning an upcoming trip to Puebla Mexico for next week. I have used SA exclusively. I have contacts for myself and 2 other buddies that we will never be able to see all of them. Each one is lovely, between the ages of 19 and 26. All will do anything we want at our hotel. I have singles set up and a couple of 3 sums set up.

I use SA here at home and abroad. Its a little expensive and requires a little work but the results are amazing.Similar to my problem. I don't have enough days or dicks to cover them all. Planning my upcoming trip I have one girl I am totally down for and hoping we hit it off and she occupies all my nights. Nevertheless I have a hottie booked for night two just in case. And three more in the wings. I am not one of those guys to double book and then flake on a girl so I am managing expectations carefully.

And even with this abundance I see 4-5 new chicks I like come on SA daily. I chat them up and see if any displace my current roster. It's really kinda amazing how many great girls are in the big cities.

CenTexCrash
03-14-21, 04:42
Created a free profile over 6 months ago, seldom log in. Thinking of taking the plunge.

1.) Can you pay using a pre-paid Visa gift card?

2.) Are there any introductory promo / promo codes / referral codes that might shave off just a little bit?

3.) Following local dating sites in East Asia, does SA have algorithms / flags that frown on you if you're immediately messaging girl to continue contact outside of SA onto WhatsApp / FB / tg / etc?

AmorPorFavor
03-14-21, 05:24
Created a free profile over 6 months ago, seldom log in. Thinking of taking the plunge.

1.) Can you pay using a pre-paid Visa gift card?

2.) Are there any introductory promo / promo codes / referral codes that might shave off just a little bit?

3.) Following local dating sites in East Asia, does SA have algorithms / flags that frown on you if you're immediately messaging girl to continue contact outside of SA onto WhatsApp / FB / tg / etc?I was logging in a lot with a free account and they offered me an introductory deal of 25% off in a pop up window. I took it and got 3 months for $180 but the price has gone up now. I'm off SA for now until I get vaccinated. Who knows what those crazy young girls have been up to.

Elvis 2008
03-14-21, 05:30
Created a free profile over 6 months ago, seldom log in. Thinking of taking the plunge.

1.) Can you pay using a pre-paid Visa gift card?

2.) Are there any introductory promo / promo codes / referral codes that might shave off just a little bit?

3.) Following local dating sites in East Asia, does SA have algorithms / flags that frown on you if you're immediately messaging girl to continue contact outside of SA onto WhatsApp / FB / tg / etc?Yes, I have used the Vanilla One Gift card before.

I am not aware of any promotions.

No, there is no method to flag you for making contact outside of SA. I do it all the time.

Jimmy Boy 99
03-14-21, 19:30
Created a free profile over 6 months ago, seldom log in. Thinking of taking the plunge.

1.) Can you pay using a pre-paid Visa gift card?

2.) Are there any introductory promo / promo codes / referral codes that might shave off just a little bit?

3.) Following local dating sites in East Asia, does SA have algorithms / flags that frown on you if you're immediately messaging girl to continue contact outside of SA onto WhatsApp / FB / tg / etc?From E-mail sent to me:

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CenTexCrash
03-15-21, 06:07
4.) Do the girls have to have paid subscriptions to reply to direct messages?

Steve 9696
03-15-21, 12:53
4.) Do the girls have to have paid subscriptions to reply to direct messages?Nope. They can buy some premium features but all girls can list and chat for free.

Steve 9696
03-15-21, 23:01
Well SA remains as usual like a box of chocolates. I have been super fortunate to consistently pull the truffle creams. But recently the nut clusters have been invading, lowering my batting average significantly.

My crowning disappointment of my trip was Vanessa. I found her two weeks ago. We chatted nightly. So smart. So sexy. And we agree to meetup for $500. (Big city lots of girls asking 700 and up. Yikes.) we have absolutely the most epic dinner. And she is a legit 9. 5 for me. We are so on the same page. Laugh soooo much. As we both come back from the restroom after dinner we are face to face getting ready to go and she kisses me full on the lips. A nice meaningful kiss. Literally first time ever a girl has made the first move. We go for a pedicab ride that is so fun. I pull her face to me and we kiss some more. She has her hand on my thigh. All the classic IOI tells.

So we get dropped at the hotel as prearranged with the driver. But at the elevator she balks and says she has to get up early. I am really surprised at this because we confirmed before she had cleared her night for me. Thinking quickly I say just one drink and she agrees. But in the room after two kisses of reasonable engagement and passion she says she has to go. I guess I coulda pushed harder but even after a bit more imploring she is insistent.

Long story short she thought the $500 was dinner only and never agreed to sex. Obviously this is super naive but is what it is. I dropped her a little for her trouble but we are done. I am so bummed. I was totally smitten and thought it was on and crashed And burned. Just goes to show SA is never a completely sure thing. Boo.

So the next day I grab a hooker on P411 and release the hounds. Totally lame and quick and no GFE but it took the edge off. Good to know you can still use P411 on short notice to pull a pro.

Next two nights it's a different girl (9 face 7 body) and with her it's clear sex is on the table right away. No hesitation and starts turning down the sheets and getting undressed when we hit the room. LOL. So we have sex 3 times over the next two days and you would think that was great. And the sex itself was very good. But she is soo boring and meek at the dinner table, in contrast to being quite the spicy Colombiana in bed. An she is super late both times which just puts me in a bad mood.

Anyhow the point there is I come to SA for the WHOLE girl. Not just sex. So in one case the best girl on the planet. But no sex. And the other a real meh personality but good sex. I want the whole girl dammit! Want those truffle creams. Not the nut clusters!

Beats nothing but my trip was subpar. Boo. Makes me appreciate Layla tho for all her faults it's comfortable and easy with her.

AmericanPi
03-17-21, 06:15
That's a great metaphor. I like that. But the real jam is when a box of Sees candies is broken out at grandma's and offered to you, do you say "oh grandma, I sure hope I pick a highly conversational girl who's a **** under the sheets"? Will grandma know you mean the truffle creams? Only one way to find out Steve.


Well SA remains as usual like a box of chocolates. I have been super fortunate to consistently pull the truffle creams. But recently the nut clusters have been invading, lowering my batting average significantly.

My crowning disappointment of my trip was Vanessa. I found her two weeks ago. We chatted nightly. So smart. So sexy. And we agree to meetup for $500. (Big city lots of girls asking 700 and up. Yikes.) we have absolutely the most epic dinner. And she is a legit 9. 5 for me. We are so on the same page. Laugh soooo much. As we both come back from the restroom after dinner we are face to face getting ready to go and she kisses me full on the lips. A nice meaningful kiss. Literally first time ever a girl has made the first move. We go for a pedicab ride that is so fun. I pull her face to me and we kiss some more. She has her hand on my thigh. All the classic IOI tells.

So we get dropped at the hotel as prearranged with the driver. But at the elevator she balks and says she has to get up early. I am really surprised at this because we confirmed before she had cleared her night for me. Thinking quickly I say just one drink and she agrees. But in the room after two kisses of reasonable engagement and passion she says she has to go. I guess I coulda pushed harder but even after a bit more imploring she is insistent.

Steve 9696
03-17-21, 23:15
That's a great metaphor. I like that. But the real jam is when a box of Sees candies is broken out at grandma's and offered to you, do you say "oh grandma, I sure hope I pick a highly conversational girl who's a **** under the sheets"? Will grandma know you mean the truffle creams? Only one way to find out Steve.Well if gramma wasn't on the wrong side of the grass, I would surely do just that! LOL.

So while I did have good sex with Melany I did consider my trip generally disappointing. The fail with Vanessa and Melany's flakiness just kinda put me in a sour mood. This is when having a bit of a harem, both platonic and sexual helps. Next night I just start pinging lots of girls I know.

I have three platonic SA girls that we never met but have become penpals. I lay out my girl troubles to them and they are highly sympathetic. (I listen to the ups and downs in their lives also). Really felt nice just to have some company in my down state. And I hit up Alexa (who I took to Miami last time and should have this time). She's been a little cool towards me of late; not engaging in chat. Well she dives right in and we catch up on things (I don't share girl stories with her obviously) and she says she's totally down to travel with me again any time anywhere. Was a huge ego boost and she is hot AF — legit 9 and a super fine person to boot.

Anyhow just felt so good to have a support system amongst my SA girls. Highly recommend both keeping in touch for future sex and for platonic as well — having girlfriends of any stripe is really nice.

Drogo420
03-18-21, 13:43
Hey folks,

Please provide insight if anyone has subscribed using credit / debit cards issued in India. I have tried couple of times and the payment is getting declined. I have done international transactions using the same card recently. Thanks!

CenTexCrash
03-18-21, 18:20
Almost on a whim, did a 90 day subscription with the promo sale.

Set sights on Monterrey MX, but also wrote in profile "based in Dallas but travels to Latin America, Southeast Asia, Middle East, India, Philippines. ".

I hope I'm doimg this right to have guaranteed ST dates upon arrival to each far away place.

DramaFree11
03-18-21, 20:02
Almost on a whim, did a 90 day subscription with the promo sale.

Set sights on Monterrey MX, but also wrote in profile "based in Dallas but travels to Latin America, Southeast Asia, Middle East, India, Philippines. ".

I hope I'm doimg this right to have guaranteed ST dates upon arrival to each far away place.Not a problem at all. I do it all the time, so does Elvis. I just got back from a very successful trip to MTY.

NapataJohn
03-19-21, 02:48
A few days back someone here posted that they used vanilla gift cards. Best to use them.

This is from SA officially.

How can I pay without using my personal credit card?

We understand that some of our customers prefer payments by mail either because they desire discretion or aren't comfortable using a personal credit card online, however, there are still other options available:

Prepaid Visa or Mastercard: These function like gift cards and can be purchased at most major retailers with cash or credit cards.

Google Play payments via our Android app: We have an Android app that allows you to pay via Google Play. Additionally, there are usually Google Play gift cards available in most grocery stores that you can load your account with.


Hey folks,

Please provide insight if anyone has subscribed using credit / debit cards issued in India. I have tried couple of times and the payment is getting declined. I have done international transactions using the same card recently. Thanks!

CenTexCrash
03-19-21, 04:01
This is probably me over thinking but what if mini travel bulletins backfires on me?

Say I land one girl for upcoming weekend trip to Puerto Vallarta. And I have 39 other applicants that didn't make the cut. Are those 39 runner ups going to blacklist me as that ahole that didn't take them to PV that one time?

Or nah?

CarloRogue
03-19-21, 14:26
This is probably me over thinking but what if mini travel bulletins backfires on me?

Say I land one girl for upcoming weekend trip to Puerto Vallarta. And I have 39 other applicants that didn't make the cut. Are those 39 runner ups going to blacklist me as that ahole that didn't take them to PV that one time?

Or nah?Nah. Overthinking it. The minute you disengage on a girl in the sugar bowl, she forgets you. The hard part is keeping them engaged until you get them to show up. If they're even moderately attractive, they'll have an overflowing inbox of offers. That said, most of my experience is in major US cities, where SD's way outnumber SB's. Things might be a bit different south of the border, but I still think the flake factor of hot girls is pretty much a global characteristic. BTW, you haven't landed your PV girl until the plane lands and she's there with you. Having backup options, especially on short term travel, is a very good idea.

Elvis 2008
03-19-21, 17:04
This is probably me over thinking but what if mini travel bulletins backfires on me?

Say I land one girl for upcoming weekend trip to Puerto Vallarta. And I have 39 other applicants that didn't make the cut. Are those 39 runner ups going to blacklist me as that ahole that didn't take them to PV that one time?

Or nah?Let me put this in perspective. You have 40 women and have preferences 1 through 40. #1 agrees and then blows you off. Then she is not #1 because no #1 woman would tell you something and back out. She is not on the list.

My father told me the best way to get to know someone is to take a trip with them, and he was right. Because if I am extending my time and money to you in order for us to have fun, and you make some sorry ass excuse to not come, you are selfish, and I do not think selfish people do well in life. I know of NO sugar baby prospect I have blown off who has done well in life.

As for the other women, it sounds egotistical to think of yourself as the prize, but that really is how we should think of it. What you are saying CTC in a round about way is that the women feel degraded by being thought of as #3 or #10. Well, that is an excuse for the ones who are losers. A winner is going to prove to you that she should have been the #1 woman and not #3 or #10.

I get what you are saying. We men have been trained to think all women are special and numbering them is degrading, but you want a SB who steps up to the plate and delivers versus one who feels sorry for herself and becomes the victim.

So yeah, if #1 blows you off, then you say "Next" and #2 becomes #1. As for being offended, should you be offended at getting into Harvard after being on the wait list? Getting a scholarship to a school that has you as the last person to get one? No, you should be grateful, and that is the way the women should be. If they are not like that, they are losers, and you are better off without them.

DramaFree11
03-20-21, 00:27
This is probably me over thinking but what if mini travel bulletins backfires on me?

Say I land one girl for upcoming weekend trip to Puerto Vallarta. And I have 39 other applicants that didn't make the cut. Are those 39 runner ups going to blacklist me as that ahole that didn't take them to PV that one time?

Or nah?Be careful not to over promise and not be able to deliver. Be as honest as you can. No need to lie too much on SA, it will eventually backfire. That is the great thing about SA you can be way more honest then normal dating.

CenTexCrash
03-20-21, 17:38
Got a handful of girls in MTY / GDL / CDMX all asking the same question "What are you seeking on this app?"

How to be on my best behavior when saying.

I just put down $180 for 90 days on SA to seek Sugar. I am based in Texas, BUT travel to MTY (or replace with "GDL / CDMX") often. I want to make my short visits to MTY more memorable / enjoyable with a cool local gal. Instead of an allowance I do per visit. Like Tinder but girl gets propina. Cut to the chase with me and she can worry about her monthly allowance demands with some other dud.

Also do city hop trips like MTY-GDL-CDMX-Quito-Guayaquil-Lima-Buenos Aires and want dates lined up at each destination OR if going direct to Puerto Vallarta, can fly a MTY/GDL girl to hang with me at PV.

Surely these girls get DM'd by the traveling businessman / monger types for short time all the time (?)

EDIT: I feel like I just untangled myself typing this

LivingFossil
03-24-21, 00:58
Created a profile.

I used a green dot visa prepaid card and I never registered it.

I entered in a fake name and address.

As soon as I hit enter to submit to charge the card it said account suspended.

So where did I mess up?

I wonder if they too my money?

I don't want any of my personal information on their site.

LivingFossil
03-24-21, 03:28
I just needed to register the prepaid visa, prob to get the address matched up. I had to open a new SA account. I don't like that Visa asked for my real name and SS number which I had to give. Well now I have premium SA for the first time:).

CarloRogue
03-24-21, 04:06
Created a profile.

I used a green dot visa prepaid card and I never registered it.

I entered in a fake name and address.

As soon as I hit enter to submit to charge the card it said account suspended.

So where did I mess up?

I wonder if they too my money?

I don't want any of my personal information on their site.Presuming you never had a profile banned before (IE, no lingering electronic trail from getting previously suspended, which takes quite a bit of effort to completely erase), this is likely just an automated response from the security algorithm. It's happened to me before when using a VPN. Contact their customer support directly and explain what happened, with your card info. They should be able to process your payment manually.

Steve 9696
03-24-21, 20:59
After my recent fail with Vanessa where we got all the way to the room and she walked recall she thought it was a platonic date and I did not I decided to update my profile to be more explicit. Not saying money for sex but saying "I want a complete relationship not something platonic. I don't need arm candy or a buddy. " Presumably this weeds out the platonic girls? I haven't had any drop in interest and in fact am engaged with a couple girls who have the platonic tag. Jury is still out but seems promising.

Also another interesting development. I like certain eye colors and not others and the photos are hard to tell sometimes. It's become a standard opener for many girls just to ask "what color are your eyes?" And here's the shocker. 100% response rate. I have no other opener that leads to this response rate. All girls answer this question and then I may be able to engage further. I just found it very surprising that this gets guaranteed response.

Keep doing ur SA magic fellas! And hey Midwestern what’s the 411 on u and ur harem?

DramaFree11
03-25-21, 00:49
After my recent fail with Vanessa where we got all the way to the room and she walked recall she thought it was a platonic date and I did not I decided to update my profile to be more explicit. Not saying money for sex but saying "I want a complete relationship not something platonic. I don't need arm candy or a buddy. " Presumably this weeds out the platonic girls? I haven't had any drop in interest and in fact am engaged with a couple girls who have the platonic tag. Jury is still out but seems promising.

Also another interesting development. I like certain eye colors and not others and the photos are hard to tell sometimes. It's become a standard opener for many girls just to ask "what color are your eyes?" And here's the shocker. 100% response rate. I have no other opener that leads to this response rate. All girls answer this question and then I may be able to engage further. I just found it very surprising that this gets guaranteed response.

Keep doing ur SA magic fellas! And hey Midwestern whats the 411 on u and ur harem?Yep, I always pre-qualify. Most of the time this screens out the girls that do not want to have sex, but occasionally it back fires, and I could miss out on some diamond in the rough, but I have multiple girls in MTY, that are all willing participants, without very few rules when it comes to sex. Since my time is limited, I am real not interested in dating without sex, especially if money is involved.

I had a couple of girl claiming that they were paid $250 for dinner and drinks in MTY. Maybe pre-covid, but now I real doubt it, but who knows.

LivingFossil
03-25-21, 04:14
So what words or verbage do you guys use to communicate that you want the date to end in sex?

I don't want to put off girls by being explicit since they are not all working girls but I would hate to go on a date an then be denied sex.

Do any of you get sex without going on a full dinner drinks date?

I mean I know how use euphemisms but.

DramaFree11
03-25-21, 16:18
So what words or verbage do you guys use to communicate that you want the date to end in sex?

I don't want to put off girls by being explicit since they are not all working girls but I would hate to go on a date an then be denied sex.

Do any of you get sex without going on a full dinner drinks date?

I mean I know how use euphemisms but.It is SA, Honesty is the best policy. The girls know, what is up. They may pretend that they do not know, but maybe 5-10%, and most of those girls are looking for a rich older dude, so it is pretty much the same.

Steve 9696
03-25-21, 17:43
It is SA, Honesty is the best policy. The girls know, what is up. They may pretend that they do not know, but maybe 5-10%, and most of those girls are looking for a rich older dude, so it is pretty much the same.I think maybe you can be more explicit with a girl from Monterrey than from US. For stupid long-standing puritanical reasons many US girls try to distance themselves from sex for money. So it is best to not say it out loud and use euphemisms instead. Intimate time? Room time? Private time? These mostly seem to work.

I think Vanessa was a bit unusual not taking the hints. In fact in our post mortem she said "just because we'the didn't have sex doesn't make it platonic". LOL. Get out a dictionary girl because that is EXACTLY what platonic means.

I think most girls get it when you talk about "spending private time if there is chemistry". Tho recall Jesse in Vegas who in the room said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" but we were fucking 20 minutes later. So I guess I am one for two in seducing the naive ones. LOL.

Anyhow my main point is I am putting it in my profile now to save the trouble of waiting to bring it up in chat and be shot down.

DramaFree11
03-26-21, 00:39
I think maybe you can be more explicit with a girl from Monterrey than from US. For stupid long-standing puritanical reasons many US girls try to distance themselves from sex for money. So it is best to not say it out loud and use euphemisms instead. Intimate time? Room time? Private time? These mostly seem to work.

I think Vanessa was a bit unusual not taking the hints. In fact in our post mortem she said "just because we'd didn't have sex doesn't make it platonic". LOL. Get out a dictionary girl because that is exactly what platonic means.

I think most girls get it when you talk about "spending private time if there is chemistry". Tho recall Jesse in Vegas who in the room said "I can't have sex with a guy I just met" but we were fucking 20 minutes later. So I guess I am one for two in seducing the naive ones. LOL.

Anyhow my main point is I am putting it in my profile now to save the trouble of waiting to bring it up in chat and be shot down.You are correct you definitely need to be more careful in the states. I definitely do not discuss money on SA or terms of an arrangement.

I try to get the girls to communicate via WhatsApp. Then I bring it up. I am no longer messing with American Chicks.

Midwestern
03-27-21, 12:02
And hey Midwestern whats the 411 on u and ur harem?Been busy as hell with work since February 1. I saw a couple of MP gals at their homes this past month, and that was it.

As for my two SBs, one dumped me, and I am no longer into the other one.

I no longer have the secret apartment, and so my options are now limited.

Once work lets up, I'll start visiting MPs to see if I can find a SB / GF. Many MP gals have BFs or SDs. I'm trying to find one that is genuinely into me and will let me bareback her. Not easy to find, especially because I can only speak a couple of hundred words in Mandarin.

I did start seeing someone casually a couple of months ago. She used to be a pro, and then she went legit over a year ago and got a cosmetologist license. But, I have a feeling that she is hooking again.

Do you ever expect an SB or a mistress to be loyal to you? I guess it's stupid to expect this, but I like to be ignorant.

TonyMontanaaO7
03-27-21, 12:30
The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.

CenTexCrash
03-27-21, 15:28
When girls go AWOL for a 2-3 days that's normal.

When I go AWOL wtf.

I have a normal life, I'm not glued to this app around the clock. I even added a small blurb "my day life gets hectic I may go afk for hours, I'll get back to each and every hot girl inbox anywhere from 5 minutes to 2 days. ".

Some of the hot ones from MTY and GDL not good enough, I even told this hottie from GDL I was boarding a flight can we continue talkimg in morning? She said sure cuidate.

Log in just now she already blocked me. Again, I'm not on this site 24/7 and I was preparing to strike an offer.

If you've made it this far, anyone with active SA accounts, there's a few nominees I was wondering if you could holler at them ask them to unblock me "hey girl I were talking to my buddy but he went AWOL for 2 hours and you blocked him, he really really wants to talk to you when his hectic day clears up".

Nounce
03-27-21, 18:51
The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.It depends on the city. Some cites are much better than the other. That research is useless if it only has a number for the whole site. It needs to have a number for each city at least. Most members here don't care about the successes that end with marriage.

Nounce
03-27-21, 19:00
If you've made it this far, anyone with active SA accounts, there's a few nominees I was wondering if you could holler at them ask them to unblock me

I think it is not possible to unblock


I rarely chat on SA anymore. I move them to wpp right away. If they hesitate and want to continue to chat on SA. I say OK and leave it at that to move on to the next.

Occasionally, there are new ones that are very timid and I just chat with them without the intention of getting their numbers, these would volunteer their numbers without asking when they feel they can trust you.

CarloRogue
03-27-21, 19:35
When girls go AWOL for a 2-3 days that's normal.

When I go AWOL wtf.

I have a normal life, I'm not glued to this app around the clock. I even added a small blurb "my day life gets hectic I may go afk for hours, I'll get back to each and every hot girl inbox anywhere from 5 minutes to 2 days. ".

Some of the hot ones from MTY and GDL not good enough, I even told this hottie from GDL I was boarding a flight can we continue talkimg in morning? She said sure cuidate.

Log in just now she already blocked me. Again, I'm not on this site 24/7 and I was preparing to strike an offer.

If you've made it this far, anyone with active SA accounts, there's a few nominees I was wondering if you could holler at them ask them to unblock me "hey girl I were talking to my buddy but he went AWOL for 2 hours and you blocked him, he really really wants to talk to you when his hectic day clears up".Firstly, you don't know for sure if she blocked you. She just might've deactivated her profile for a hundred different reasons, or someone else might have gotten her banned. Or maybe she did block you, for any random reason. So what. If she did, no one's going to talk her out of it, especially a stranger acting on your behalf (that's getting into the creepy realm). You shouldn't obsess over any one girl, especially if you have a full and normal life, as you say. The flake risk is very high in the sugar bowl. The hotter they are, the more unpredictable. Be positive, have thick skin, enjoy the good as it comes and goes.

DramaFree11
03-27-21, 22:11
I think it is not possible to unblock

I rarely chat on SA anymore. I move them to wpp right away. If they hesitate and want to continue to chat on SA. I say OK and leave it at that to move on to the next.

Occasionally, there are new ones that are very timid and I just chat with them without the intention of getting their numbers, these would volunteer their numbers without asking when they feel they can trust you.I do the same. A lot of the girls that want to Chat, on SA, have no interest in meeting in person, for whatever reason. Just move on.

Anaggie
03-28-21, 15:28
Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

I have found two girls who have agreed to go to Cancun with me. I pay for their flights, food and drinks and 10000 pesos extra for 7 days. I feel that is a pretty fair deal since I usually pay a bit more in Brazil. One girl asked for 60-70000 and I just laughed.

I am still sending messages and interacting just to see who else I can keep in the lineup. I know that a few will flake out and then I don't want to be rushed into finding someone else as the days get closer.

Would appreciate any advice from the experts on here. Will keep posting as I get.

Closer to the trip.

Steve 9696
03-28-21, 16:05
Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.

I have found two girls who have agreed to go to Cancun with me. I pay for their flights, food and drinks and 10000 pesos extra for 7 days. I feel that is a pretty fair deal since I usually pay a bit more in Brazil. One girl asked for 60-70000 and I just laughed.

I am still sending messages and interacting just to see who else I can keep in the lineup. I know that a few will flake out and then I don't want to be rushed into finding someone else as the days get closer.

Would appreciate any advice from the experts on here. Will keep posting as I get.

Closer to the trip.Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldn’t be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!

DramaFree11
03-28-21, 16:27
Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldnt be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!Great advice. Never send money to someone you have not known for a long period of time. Also, flying someone that you have not met, is just train wreck waiting to happen.

Anaggie
03-28-21, 18:29
Not sure I fully understand the logistics which are truly important. Are you going to meet up with a girl and make sure it's all good before you fly her? I have flown girls before but always girls I've at least slept with and have a small degree of relationship. What if she's a beatch in person or CBJ and no kissing. I mean it's really risky to fly a girl you don't know if that is the plan.

Also how will you get the tickets. If you send an unknown girl money she will likely never show. But if you book her tickets you will need her real name and such that matches her ID. Maybe she is cool giving that. Maybe not. And of course now there is a paper trail that you booked tickets for Maria Sanchez or whatever if that matters to you.

I guess I'd just be wary to make sure you have thought thru the logistics carefully. And even if u think u know the girl it can be dicey. Thifany was a total home run as was Alexa. But Valentina was a fucking disaster and I thought I knew her best. We had spent 21 hours together over 3 days in Buenos Aires. Nonetheless she dumped me on arrival in London, had her new SD pay for her room so she wouldnt be tempted to fuck me, and proceeded to fuck random guys on our dime!

I would absolutely dive in again with both feet cuz the high is just so high. But make sure u have good odds of success and have the logistics down. Best of luck!The two that I am currently chatting with on WhatsApp. We discussed all the expectations and agreed before we settled in a price. I have done this with girls in Brazil so I kinda have a feeling when the girl isn't going to work out. Plus. I expect them to continue chatting every few days before the trip so I can keep feeling them out. It could all go to shit even then.

Not too worried about the paper trail and I will get their info so I can book their tickets. If they aren't willing to provide their info and a picture of their passport page. I will drop them like a hot potato🤣.

Thanks for the advice.

WyattEarp
03-29-21, 14:51
The short answer is for most people, no. The website's advertising is false. Seeking Arrangements claim a ratio of 5 to 1 in favor of sugar daddies. A female college of mine researched this and found that in fact men's profiles on Seeking Arrangements actually outnumbered women by about 1.5 to 2.5 times depending on which country she looked at. These businesses work by advertising a few success stories while the majority of people who join waste their time and money.The numbers above are likely all true. It's also true it only takes one willing girl (or two or three). Everyone's just playing the numbers game. It's kind of like dating life. 90-95% of the attractive girls won't have interest in you, but you hit up that one girl with the right approach at the right time. Bam! You're a winner.

From what I have heard, many of the guys on SA are lurkers or they just want to chat up young girls on-line. So lots of men and women on SA wasting each other's time.

I have no reason to build-up Steve, MW, DF and others providing valuable advice here. I've been following them during this COVID period. They seem to be able to greatly improve their odds. Simple guidance like SA is far better outside the USA And Steve painstakingly takes you through his methods of screening, seduction and persuasion.

It's clear SA is not just about offering money to the girls. A good fellow I have conversed with over the years on another ISG thread irritated young women on SA asking questions about how much and for what acts. SA is not overtly a P4P site. Like anything on-line, you need to use common sense and be aware of hustles.

Full disclosure: I'm not an expert. I'm just learning.

Big Boss Man
03-29-21, 16:57
Most guys post that in LOS Angeles the prices are $500 or lower. For me the hottest women are over $500.

The first example is an actress with over 20 IMDB credits. Her mother is actually quite famous in another country. When production shut down, she was offering to do massage on SA. The massage was $250 including UBER. She did not have a car. At the end of the massage, we began to do french kisses and intimate caresses. She said that she was not prepared to do sex on this date. Her price for sex was $600. She recently posted on Instagram that she was pregnant. If you follow the timeline, she was already with this guy when she was still on Seeking.

The second example is a divorcee. She also advertised herself as a masseuse. For sex, she wanted $600. I asked if she could role play being submissive. She replied that she could be very obedient for $1200.

The third example is a model. She was a Brazilian playmate in 2016. She also does not have a car. I offered her $300 plus expenses. She replied that she can't have sex for $300. "It's my job". So I don't know what she actually charges. I asked her if she was on birth control and she said "No".

These women are all 26 and older. I think that they would know their way around a bedroom.

CarloRogue
03-29-21, 17:19
The two that I am currently chatting with on WhatsApp. We discussed all the expectations and agreed before we settled in a price. I have done this with girls in Brazil so I kinda have a feeling when the girl isn't going to work out. Plus. I expect them to continue chatting every few days before the trip so I can keep feeling them out. It could all go to shit even then.

Not too worried about the paper trail and I will get their info so I can book their tickets. If they aren't willing to provide their info and a picture of their passport page. I will drop them like a hot potato🤣.

Thanks for the advice.Then it sounds like you're aware of the risks and have a plan. Not sure what you need from the forum. Good luck, and report back with what worked / what didn't. The only thing I'll point out is that, by most accounts on various SB travel forums, you're starting way too early for a trip in June. 2 weeks out seems to be about the right horizon to establish rapport and reach peak momentum. Any longer and the most desirable ones get distracted by other opportunities. It's hard to keep bait on the line. I've found the perishability is down to days for some of the most enticing local prospects. Of course there's always the obligatory: YMMV. You might actually complete that cross-country road trip without any breakdowns in a 1973 MGB.

I wouldn't risk an entire week on someone I've never met in person, but I've done weekend trips in the blind 5 times now, batting 600. One flaked and took the travel advance, and one sorta catfished me. The other three were fantastic. The jeopardy can add to the excitement, so I don't discourage anyone from trying it. But again, probably not a full week, without some bailout options.

Mongerer88
03-29-21, 17:55
Yes, great thoughts.

I have the same frustration with the many ISG guys who diss all independent and agency escorts because once in 2015 the person who showed up at the door in a random country wasn't exactly as depicted in the pictures. There are thousands of SA ads and experiences. Why would someone believe the entire SA scene should be dismissed because there may be a different guy / girl ratio than advertised?


The numbers above are likely all true. It's also true it only takes one willing girl (or two or three). Everyone's just playing the numbers game. It's kind of like dating life. 90-95% of the attractive girls won't have interest in you, but you hit up that one girl with the right approach at the right time. Bam! You're a winner.

From what I have heard, many of the guys on SA are lurkers or they just want to chat up young girls on-line. So lots of men and women on SA wasting each other's time.

I have no reason to build-up Steve, MW, DF and others providing valuable advice here. I've been following them during this COVID period. They seem to be able to greatly improve their odds. Simple guidance like SA is far better outside the USA And Steve painstakingly takes you through his methods of screening, seduction and persuasion..

Steve 9696
03-29-21, 21:05
Most guys post that in LOS Angeles the prices are $500 or lower. For me the hottest women are over $500.

The first example is an actress with over 20 IMDB credits. Her mother is actually quite famous in another country. When production shut down, she was offering to do massage on SA. The massage was $250 including UBER. She did not have a car. At the end of the massage, we began to do french kisses and intimate caresses. She said that she was not prepared to do sex on this date. Her price for sex was $600. She recently posted on Instagram that she was pregnant. If you follow the timeline, she was already with this guy when she was still on Seeking.

The second example is a divorcee. She also advertised herself as a masseuse. For sex, she wanted $600. I asked if she could role play being submissive. She replied that she could be very obedient for $1200.

The third example is a model. She was a Brazilian playmate in 2016. She also does not have a car. I offered her $300 plus expenses. She replied that she can't have sex for $300. "It's my job". So I don't know what she actually charges. I asked her if she was on birth control and she said "No".

These women are all 26 and older. I think that they would know their way around a bedroom.These numbers don't really surprise me. First, there are girls that will ask $800 or $1000 regardless and I guess there are guys that pay that. But also I think prices have gone up substantially over the last year or so in the US. Other than Newbies I've been hard pressed to find a local girl who will take less than $400. And in Miami I def struggled to find hot girls for less than $500 which was a surprise to me. And even at $500 you have to compromise a bit — hard to get the full face body personality package for $500 in Miami. Crazy I know!

Anyhow I think prices have gone up. It's tough to save a buck in the US right now.

ItsMark
03-29-21, 21:20
Created a profile.

I used a green dot visa prepaid card and I never registered it.

I entered in a fake name and address.

As soon as I hit enter to submit to charge the card it said account suspended.

So where did I mess up?

I wonder if they too my money?

I don't want any of my personal information on their site.Last year, I went through the same issue, 2-3 times. Each time my account got suspended, I emailed the support team to reinstate the account, which they promptly did.

They asked me to try some other payment options / modes, but I did not want to share my personal info either. So gave up trying to upgrade.

A month ago, I tried again with the same credit card and was able to upgrade my membership without any hassle. So not really sure why it blocked me last year, but I guess you could wait for a few weeks and try again.

Elvis 2008
03-29-21, 22:05
Planned a trip in June to Cancun so I thought I would try out my luck on SA. Set up a profile, paid for three months and put Leon as my city amd surrounding areas so I could find some girls from around the area. So far, I have probably sent over 200 "holas" and have received a pretty good amount of replies. After that, it either goes on or it dies out. I don't waste time chatting them up. I ask directly what they are looking for and I explain to them what I am looking for. If it moves forward, we chat on WhatsApp and hammer out the deal.Okay, here is what has happened with me. I added this up and have done close to over a dozen trips with various women and still think I have only seen half of all the things in the Cancun area I have wanted to see. At first it was a good run, then a lull and lately it has been a great run once I figured things out. The first thing is just getting the women to come and with that, the most important thing is Mexican customs which does not apply to you. For other guys, if you are bringing in a South American woman, it is best if you come with them from their country. If not, make sure they have $500 in cash, a return plane ticket, and a hotel reservation otherwise you are risking them not getting in. If you cannot trust your South American woman with $500, then you had best go to S. America yourself and bring her with you. Also stay the hell away from CDMX. Do not fly foreign women into that city!

The second thing is that you have to know the women well. Granted, you have a much better shot with Mexican women than American anaggie, but why take the chance? Go to Monterrey or Mexico City and meet the women first. Why Leon? If I was doing Cancun and had to pick a place in Mexico to shop, it would be CDMX first and MTY second and CDMX just because of quantity over quality. Maybe if you are married, it is not an option but if not, I would do two days in one of those cities and then take a woman to Cancun rather than just starting in Cancun. Twice, I have been stranded in Cancun without women, and it is not fun. There are casas there that are reasonably priced but you are talking women who are at best a 5 or 6. The top talent in the Cancun area is at USA Prices.

Third I way recommend Playa Del Carmen over Tulum and Cancun. Look, maybe you want to do some shitty snorkeling in the Cancun area (way better in other places) and rent a jet ski, but for the most part, the best times I had in Cancun was clubbing. To me, Cancun is about drinking, eating, dancing (maybe), and fucking, and that gets old in a hurry. I have not written up my report with Flo and Nancy in Cancun. The three of us already had crazy chemistry but what pushed it up a notch was going to Xplor. The X parks (Xcaret, Xenses, Xel-Ha ETC) have not been written about enough. Toss in the dolphin parks, the cenotes, Cirque du Soleil, and the various Mayan ruins, and now you have Cancun beat x 10. All the fun stuff starts in Puerto Morales and gets better as you go South. Cancun just has the beach, clubs, and hotels. PDC is in the center of the action, and you have everything in walking distance to you. I love how easy PDC is in comparison to Cancun or Tulum and I love Quinta Avenida.

The fourth thing is rent a car. Uber is in Cancun but getting a ride is rough. You might be paying $60 to ride back and forth to your hotel and can rent a car for $120. I have used Avis and yes rent a car. Get the full insurance and drive. If you get a traffic ticket, you can bribe a cop. Just be really careful where you park. Mexican cops there like to fleece the tourists and not just American ones. The freedom you get with a car is great, and you get to blast whatever music the chicks like. Now traveling is fun versus a chore.

After I got stood up once, I called two Colombian women I knew in CDMX. They did not know each other, and it was a shitty trip. They were too focused on money.

Every other time I have gone the women had so much fun they did not ask for anything. The last trip with Flo and Nancy, I gave Flo 2000 pesos at the end and she said, "You do not have to do that. " Nancy is younger and does not have a job so she did not say that when I gave her a gift, but if I had not given her anything, she would have come again.

I met a Colombian woman and have mentioned that she would be our 4th in Cancun, and Flo and Nancy are like the more the merrier. I will get an AirBnb for $70 or so a night. Go to Sam's and buy most of our food there and then it is just paying for the times we eat and drink when we go out and park tickets and other entertainment costs.

When you add up the zip lining at Xplor, the 4 X 4 ride there, the mud river at Xenses, the cenotes, it was the most fun week I had in decades and that is not including the amazing sex at the end of the nights. When Nancy was teaching Flo the art of strip dancing one night, if a guy did not get hard watching that, he was impotent. Nancy made a whatsapp group she called Modern Family, and we text each other twice a week. The fun we had even more than the sex is what has kept us close.

With Laura from Colombia, I had been with her twice before. She is in bad shape money wise, but it was not the money that sold her on coming to Cancun. Her eyes were hurting, her knees were too, and her feet were killing her because of bad shoes. I got her new shoes, eye drops, and arthritis medicine, and she went from being the 45 year old woman she was feeling like to her normal 25 years of age. When she got in a pool, she was bopping around like an eight year old, splashing and diving like being a kid. Hell, she bragged about me to her mom and her mom is telling her, "Do not lose this guy!

She was kind of lukewarm about going but she started to feel better and then she was psyched about going. I showed her pics and videos from Cancun and she was off the chain excited.

What am I selling with these women on Cancun (or PDC) anaggie, is a great time. Only places in the world I have been to that compare fun wise with the Cancun area are Orlando and Singapore (Yes, Singapore is a ball). What are you offering them? Money, and that is not what you want to do not with Cancun.

I keep telling guys to quit with the john-hooker attitude especially in the sugar daddy arena. The money for sex thing is transactional and safe but it is also sterile. The emphasis should be about improving the woman's life and not just throwing money at them. What I tell the sugar baby prospects is when we are together, we are together and when we are apart, we apart. I cannot control if you see other men and you cannot control if I see other women so let's not worry about that. My goal for you is to make me feel better in the moment and my goal with you is to give you a better life. I am going to do what you need but maybe not what you want.

My advice to you anaggie is you are taking these women to Cancun. With that trip, it is time for you to stop being a john looking to score some hookers and be a fun sugar daddy instead. I know your trip will be better if you make that your emphasis.

Elvis 2008
03-29-21, 22:28
These numbers don't really surprise me. First, there are girls that will ask $800 or $1000 regardless and I guess there are guys that pay that. But also I think prices have gone up substantially over the last year or so in the US. Other than Newbies I've been hard pressed to find a local girl who will take less than $400. And in Miami I def struggled to find hot girls for less than $500 which was a surprise to me. And even at $500 you have to compromise a bit hard to get the full face body personality package for $500 in Miami. Crazy I know!

Anyhow I think prices have gone up. It's tough to save a buck in the US right now.IMO guys in LA should flog the log during the week, hop on the train to Tijuana on the weekends, and have a ball there. $500 can score you 5 (or more) different women on the weekend.

I was just reading about the Deshaun Watson case, and we are talking about hand jobs and women being "forced into it". I am so sick of the media playing this shit up right? These women are not going after justice but his money. Lawyer files a civil suit and says "it is not about money", and the feminazi media reports this as if it is fact.

What kills me is the white knight types that will defend the media and the women and spew trash about DW. How many times have I put a woman's hand on my cock or she has made that move without asking? I bet it is three digits by now.

One thing I can say with DW is you are stupid to pull that shit in the USA sex prison. Why not Tijuana? Why not Monterrey? Shit if you go to Hong Kong in Tijuana and pay $100 and a woman does not put her hand on your cock, she is fired. That is an expensive lesson for that man. Get a passport and the hell out of the sex prison DW!

You could not pay me $500 to have sex in California with a woman there. No fucking way!

Anaggie
03-29-21, 22:56
Then it sounds like you're aware of the risks and have a plan. Not sure what you need from the forum. Good luck, and report back with what worked / what didn't. The only thing I'll point out is that, by most accounts on various SB travel forums, you're starting way too early for a trip in June. 2 weeks out seems to be about the right horizon to establish rapport and reach peak momentum. Any longer and the most desirable ones get distracted by other opportunities. It's hard to keep bait on the line. I've found the perishability is down to days for some of the most enticing local prospects. Of course there's always the obligatory: YMMV. You might actually complete that cross-country road trip without any breakdowns in a 1973 MGB.

I wouldn't risk an entire week on someone I've never met in person, but I've done weekend trips in the blind 5 times now, batting 600. One flaked and took the travel advance, and one sorta catfished me. The other three were fantastic. The jeopardy can add to the excitement, so I don't discourage anyone from trying it. But again, probably not a full week, without some bailout options.Very true. I was thinking that I might be starting too early. Well. Now it is a bit too late to stop. Let's see how them his first batch does and if they flake. I will restart again with a few weeks before the trip like you suggest.

I ask a lot of questions to the girls about different topics and see their reactions to see how they would be like while together. After a while, people usually tend to show their true colors.

Steve 9696
03-30-21, 00:07
Very true. I was thinking that I might be starting too early. Well. Now it is a bit too late to stop. Let's see how them his first batch does and if they flake. I will restart again with a few weeks before the trip like you suggest.

I ask a lot of questions to the girls about different topics and see their reactions to see how they would be like while together. After a while, people usually tend to show their true colors.So I agree. Two months early is too early. I do it anyhow because I get bored. I may as well try to snag one and keep her. She's prob not going to be around in two months. And Valentina, Alexa, and Jesse were all long term snags of one or two months before. And two of the three are all time faves.

That said don't underestimate the last minute snag. Cristal and Megan were both snags at the last minute with less than a week before meetup and both are faves. And the Colombiana duo was less than 24 hrs! Record was definitely Andrea where I snagged her at 7, got in the car drove a couple hours and met her at 10! (Fucking by midnight).

So work it early, mid, and late. It's all good!

Steve 9696
03-30-21, 00:42
Seems like we could use a good FR so here's a blast from the past. I mentioned my shortest time from contact to sex on SA ever. This was earlier in my journey and a very unusual experience to say the least. I almost always go with the flow glass half full and its 95% on the money. This is one of those.

Well my wife is out of town. So what better time to do the hands on research than the present! So I started working Seeking Arrangement a couple weeks back. I had the Korean college fantasy girl all locked up like time and date and restaurant and then boom total ghosting. So I'the been scrambling to find someone new and hitting the lame local strip club in the interim.

Well the going on SA was very very tough. The south just sucks for pussy, period. So it gets to be 5 PM on a Saturday and I start just working the numbers. Any girl that is marginally acceptable I start hitting up. So I get a hook on Andrea. Definitely kind of a 6 face but clearly an interesting girl she looks like a different girl in each picture (and some look 7 or 7. 5 ish). Quite the Chameleon.

So we get to chatting she's 27 and been on SA for Five years which is unusual so she knows the drill and we cut to the chase. We plan to meetup with "the possibility" of private time if the chemistry is right. You know I am bit desperate because it's a two hour drive to meetup. But it's that or jerk off so why the fuck not.

We plan to meet at a little wine bar in a small town. On the way I realize my wife's aunt lives in that town and I don't want to run into her. So I call Andrea and explain and we switch to meeting at Twin Peaks (like Hooters) where we won't see any relatives. LOL.

So this is where it gets weird or interesting depending on your POV. I am waiting for her at a table with a jack and coke and realized she texted a picture of "this is what I am wearing" and it's a boxy formless suit jacket and dark goth lipstick. Not attractive. Fuck.

So she shows and sure enough. She is in flats, pants and the horrific jacket. She is wearing big glasses also. I can tell ZERO about her body in the bulky jacket and pants. So I am really unsure where this is going. She settles in and takes off the glasses. That is surely better. She's pretty but her nose a bit large / pointy for my taste. Mouth a little small. Pretty eyes tho. And nice smile. So I think let's try to make this work. I know the beer goggles will start kicking in so I start slamming my Jack and Coke. LOL.

So we have two drinks over an hour and a half and a pleasant enough conversation but the body language is very offputting. She sits pretty far away and no light touching or signs of affection. I am thinking this is a dud and considering whether I try to force it or drive two hours home empty handed. At this point she excuses herself to the bathroom.

Still unsure but figuring at worst I drive home and jack off. Hahaha. So when she comes back I lay it on the line and tell her I am having trouble figuring her out. It seems like she has no chemistry towards me or am I reading that wrong?

Well to my surprise she says: Oh no I really like you and damn you're handsome. It's just that you said your aunt lives here so I was being really cautious so I wore this and was making sure to not be too close or affectionate!

WTF? OK that was really sweet of her but almost led to a complete misread and a date with Mr. Hand.

So I say: Oh no. No chance she'the be here. We can sit close. She says "well good. Can I kiss you now?" And sure enough we have a nice light soft kiss. And then she says do I want to come back to her place which is about a half hour drive. Well you know me. I love a slice of life. So sure enough I follow her to her apartment. I get the feeling she must need a good fuck because she's going 85!

When we get out of our cars she has taken the jacket off and the frumpy schoolmarm is gone. The chameleon has it going on! She has on a tank top showing off a bunch of badass tattoos including a demon skull on her upper arm. Fortunately I kinda dig this and her body looks damn good as I follow her to her front door.

It's a nice clean little residential apartment and we set up shop on the bed. Nice kissing her on top of me in her bra and panties, me fully clothed. I love to be undressed and she does a nice job licking and sucking her way around as she gets me naked.

She gives a really gentle BBBJ almost being to the point of not feeling it (this can be improved) but it's pleasant and she's taking good care of me. Somehow we managed to get her fully undressed and I am surprised she has a neatly trimmed Bush. Haven't seen that except with the Viets in China.

So I flip her on her back and start some DATY. I punt pretty quickly to FIV and clit work with my fingers. It just seems to work better with her anatomy and I am not such a Bush fan. And man does she get sloppy wet and buck and moan we do this a good twenty minutes maybe more. She really likes strong gspot work and when you kinda finger fuck her but with your thumb on her clit. Kinda like holding her gspot and clit between thumb and index finger and sliding in and out and around. Just a sloppy mess.

Honestly I think she would have me do it forever but at a lull I move up and kiss her strongly. She has her hand on my dick and it's about an inch away from her pussy and she says "I really want you". This seemed a clear bareback invitation to me and that's on my bucket list but my big head prevailed and I reached for the condom.

Ooooooh the mish fucking was really good. I am using the Durex purple now thanks to my Aurora girl and they feel really good. We switch to CG and RCG and the bed is squeaking like hell and the headboard banging against the wall (1 Am). Neighbor must have loved us.

Then we switch to doggie and I pound out a nice shot in the condom. Even tho the doggie didn't feel as good, that animal pounding from behind just gets it done sometimes!

Then we snuggle with her head in the crook of my shoulder, completely naked and her thigh thrown over me. I had a five hour energy so I don't sleep but it's very relaxing. And she conks out. She's twitching from time to time like dogs do I their sleep so I know she is out. It's very sweet.

After about 20 minutes of rest I extricate myself get a kiss and start the 2 hour drive home, hitting the home door at straight up 3 AM. So I drove almost 5 hours in total! Fuck. What we won't do for pussy. It was totally worth it.

Morale of the story: Don't judge a book by its cover. That book might actually have a tight little body, badass tattoos, and fuck the hell out of you! LOL. 😂 When in doubt, always take the chance.

Elvis 2008
03-30-21, 01:26
You would think that with this site actually allowing guys to talk about SA that people who belong to SA would not be demonized. Unfortunately, that is not the case. This is what an Admin, Admin 2 has posted about SBs and SDs and SA in the past.


There is covert and overt prostitution. If a woman won't fuck you unless she's getting some kind of remuneration IMHO she's a prostitute, end of brother. She may be a low volume prostitute she may have a selective clientele but she's a hooker. Like I said, I like hookers, I don't hold that against them.

If you're the only one she's fucking and you're "helping her" or she wouldn't fuck you that's still prostitution.

If she's whatever age and she fucks you so good that you want to give her shit, you're in big fucking trouble, good trouble mind you, but trouble none the less and she would keep fucking you if you gave her nothing, she's not a hooker.

It's about their expectation of getting paid. If it's a condition of fucking you, regardless of what or how much it is, she's a hooker.

This isn't a ruling, it's my opinion.

And again, I really like hookers.
Thanks for clearing that up, when I read your original post I was thinking, fuck, got to start looking for the next place because Medellin just died.

There are no real SB's on SA. Real SB's don't have ads, they don't need them, they have guys who pay their bills. They might, and I stress might, be low volume prostitutes but they are not sugar babies.You know I do not care much if people dish SA. What really bugs me is the censorship and what happens is that whenever this one Admin, Juan Carter, or this guy LuvMexicans show up, censorship and points follow. I am going to put these guys on ignore from now on.

Anaggie
03-30-21, 13:56
Stumbled across a "madam" on SA yesterday while replying to messages. I had messaged her and she told me that she is dedicated to these type of arrangements and gave me her WhatsApp. Texted her amd she told me her price. 100 k for 7 days😲.

She then offers other girls in Cancun and in DF. And then she proceeded to blow up my phone with pictures. I figured these girls would be your normal girls but I was fucking dead wrong! Every single picture was a 9 or 10 with some 11's thrown in for good measure. There was also a Miss Venezuela who was just drop dead gorgeous.

So I found one that I thought was a "girl next door" amd asked for her rate. This girl had legs for days, spinner, long black hair and a 10 on most guys scales. Her daily rate 90k 😲😲

I told her thanks. And ended the conversation before I made a stupid decision.

Anyways. Her SA profile is “ angeliqueg” in Mexico City if anyone is interested. I have heard of these types of girls before and knew they existed but never thought I would run across them.

DramaFree11
03-30-21, 16:00
You would think that with this site actually allowing guys to talk about SA that people who belong to SA would not be demonized. Unfortunately, that is not the case. This is what an Admin, Admin 2 has posted about SBs and SDs and SA in the past.

You know I do not care much if people dish SA. What really bugs me is the censorship and what happens is that whenever this one Admin, Juan Carter, or this guy LuvMexicans show up, censorship and points follow. I am going to put these guys on ignore from now on.Trust me, I can relate. They have been flagging my reports lately. This Totally not fair. They are able to call me names accuse me of lying, and there is nothing I can do. I finally put them in the ignore list last night. My life is great, I should not go to there level. Those guys are total losers and just cause problems. Definitely, the Admin. Are in in the act they are friends.

DramaFree11
03-30-21, 16:10
You would think that with this site actually allowing guys to talk about SA that people who belong to SA would not be demonized. Unfortunately, that is not the case. This is what an Admin, Admin 2 has posted about SBs and SDs and SA in the past.

You know I do not care much if people dish SA. What really bugs me is the censorship and what happens is that whenever this one Admin, Juan Carter, or this guy LuvMexicans show up, censorship and points follow. I am going to put these guys on ignore from now on.I did last night, before I read you post. Yes, Censorship is going on big time!

Steve 9696
03-30-21, 19:45
Stumbled across a "madam" on SA yesterday while replying to messages. I had messaged her and she told me that she is dedicated to these type of arrangements and gave me her WhatsApp. Texted her amd she told me her price. 100 k for 7 days😲.

She then offers other girls in Cancun and in DF. And then she proceeded to blow up my phone with pictures. I figured these girls would be your normal girls but I was fucking dead wrong! Every single picture was a 9 or 10 with some 11's thrown in for good measure. There was also a Miss Venezuela who was just drop dead gorgeous.

So I found one that I thought was a "girl next door" amd asked for her rate. This girl had legs for days, spinner, long black hair and a 10 on most guys scales. Her daily rate 90k 😲😲

I told her thanks. And ended the conversation before I made a stupid decision.

Anyways. Her SA profile is angeliqueg in Mexico City if anyone is interested. I have heard of these types of girls before and knew they existed but never thought I would run across them.Yeah 99.994% sure this is a scam. When you choose a girl she will simply need "a small fee upfront to secure the booking" and that's the last you will see that money. Prob doesn't have any of those girls in her stable. Just pictures collected from the internet. Classic catfish scam.

Big Boss Man
03-30-21, 20:01
This is what I have found in LOS Angeles for what could be under $500. At least ones that might be available to a guy nearing 70.

The first woman is a student athlete. I think that she is mostly a tease. I am trying to groom her to engage in intimacy. I buy $10 lingerie over Amazon and have her model. Each selection is getting more and more risque and she is getting comfortable showing her body. I told her that she will become intimate with me and she answered "Ha Ha. Okay. " Another time she answered "I am down for anything you want to do". She quickly pulled back. I am about $280 into this one. She is my most intriguing prospect and I think she isn't screwing every guy in town. I will have to decide when it is time to cut and run.

The second woman is very pretty but she is also very controlling. I think she would have too many rules to enjoy anything. She wants $400 for a 2-hour session. She has been on the site awhile so I think she is a pro. I spent 70 on her to model some lingerie.

The third woman is a butter face but has a banging body. She wants $300 but then is asking for gifts every other day. "Honey, can you give me $80 to my nails. " "Honey, can you buy me a vibrator. " I bought her some lingerie but she never modeled it so I think she is scammer. I decided not to see her. She did send me several nude potos and two videos of her masturbating.

The fourth woman is another butter face. She sent me all kinds of photos when I sent her money for lingerie. But then she left for Puerto Rico if she wasn't there already. She wrote me, "Oh I know better than to thinks it's free, you can always tell me what you want from me <3". So if she comes back to LA, I think she would be very submissive. I would like to find out. She is 20 years old like the first woman.

All in all, I hope to stop playing in LA and start traveling again.

DramaFree11
03-30-21, 20:41
This is what I have found in LOS Angeles for what could be under $500. At least ones that might be available to a guy nearing 70.

The first woman is a student athlete. I think that she is mostly a tease. I am trying to groom her to engage in intimacy. I buy $10 lingerie over Amazon and have her model. Each selection is getting more and more risque and she is getting comfortable showing her body. I told her that she will become intimate with me and she answered "Ha Ha. Okay. " Another time she answered "I am down for anything you want to do". She quickly pulled back. I am about $280 into this one. She is my most intriguing prospect and I think she isn't screwing every guy in town. I will have to decide when it is time to cut and run.

The second woman is very pretty but she is also very controlling. I think she would have too many rules to enjoy anything. She wants $400 for a 2-hour session. She has been on the site awhile so I think she is a pro. I spent 70 on her to model some lingerie.

The third woman is a butter face but has a banging body. She wants $300 but then is asking for gifts every other day. "Honey, can you give me $80 to my nails. " "Honey, can you buy me a vibrator. " I bought her some lingerie but she never modeled it so I think she is scammer. I decided not to see her. She did send me several nude potos and two videos of her masturbating..Screw that head to Tijuana. It is a short trip. I gave up on Austin and San Antonio, the best discussion I ever made.

DramaFree11
03-30-21, 22:25
My trip started off in Laredo. A girl took the bus from MTY to meet up. She is a solid 7, but a freak in bed. No rules, crazy sex.

I have been averaging 2. 5 meetings a day. Sunday was slow. Had a couple of cancellations and no-shows. I did have to kick one girl to curb. She was 30 pounds bigger, then her pictures. I had Anal 3 times, and rimming by several other girls.

2 girls spent the night and 2 trips to S. Prime. Tuesday I had 2 meetings before lunch both included Anal, one was a new girl. Total rock star, we had Anal 3 different times. I was also to got 3-4 more phone numbers from new SA girls.

Did a little work now waiting for the Gonzaga Basketball game.

, a win is a trip to the final 4 and one of my regulars is coming over. Traditional Sex, but she is so beautiful. If she was taller she would be a 10 and I never use those words. It was hell of trip, now time to get my ass back to Austin to make some money, I should be home between 2-3 am.

There are a lot of haters now, we must ignore them. It all boils down to jealousy, so let's make more money, be a better person work harder and bang more girls. I put several guys on my ignore list and I will continue. It is real sad when we are a few that are traveling, actually meeting with girls, but for whatever reason we are called names and accused of lying, so strange.

Steve 9696
03-30-21, 23:38
This is what I have found in LOS Angeles for what could be under $500. At least ones that might be available to a guy nearing 70.

The first woman is a student athlete. I think that she is mostly a tease. I am trying to groom her to engage in intimacy. I buy $10 lingerie over Amazon and have her model. Each selection is getting more and more risque and she is getting comfortable showing her body. I told her that she will become intimate with me and she answered "Ha Ha. Okay. " Another time she answered "I am down for anything you want to do". She quickly pulled back. I am about $280 into this one. She is my most intriguing prospect and I think she isn't screwing every guy in town. I will have to decide when it is time to cut and run.

The second woman is very pretty but she is also very controlling. I think she would have too many rules to enjoy anything. She wants $400 for a 2-hour session. She has been on the site awhile so I think she is a pro. I spent 70 on her to model some lingerie.

The third woman is a butter face but has a banging body. She wants $300 but then is asking for gifts every other day. "Honey, can you give me $80 to my nails. " "Honey, can you buy me a vibrator. " I bought her some lingerie but she never modeled it so I think she is scammer. I decided not to see her. She did send me several nude potos and two videos of her masturbating.

The fourth woman is another butter face. She sent me all kinds of photos when I sent her money for lingerie. But then she left for Puerto Rico if she wasn't there already. She wrote me, "Oh I know better than to thinks it's free, you can always tell me what you want from me <3". So if she comes back to LA, I think she would be very submissive. I would like to find out. She is 20 years old like the first woman.

All in all, I hope to stop playing in LA and start traveling again.So I've never done this "gifts ahead" type of approach. Obviously you are enjoying it in its own right and there is something sexy and submissive about a girl posing in something you bought. But does this lead to sex? Have you successfully pre-gifted and it led to sex later? I kinda never thought that would work. What's your experience?

Anaggie
03-31-21, 00:22
Yeah 99.994% sure this is a scam. When you choose a girl she will simply need "a small fee upfront to secure the booking" and that's the last you will see that money. Prob doesn't have any of those girls in her stable. Just pictures collected from the internet. Classic catfish scam.You are spot on. I deleted her number from my phone as her story on WhatsApp showed a bunch of models I think she just downloaded from the internet.

Big Boss Man
03-31-21, 02:17
So I've never done this "gifts ahead" type of approach. Obviously you are enjoying it in its own right and there is something sexy and submissive about a girl posing in something you bought. But does this lead to sex? Have you successfully pre-gifted and it led to sex later? I kinda never thought that would work. What's your experience?It is not the smart way to go. It does allow me to get a feel for who these woman are. Some women just outright refuse to model. That leads me to think that the pictures that they put on Seeking were not accurate or old. The last two I am in contact with are college girls. I am having interesting conversations with them. It is kind of a turn on to have these women get more daring with every new outfit. I am not sure either one of these will lead to sex. Maybe I am not up for paying $400 to $700 for a sex encounter that I could have in Medellin for $50 to $100. The athlete's next outfit comes Saturday and it is totally mesh see-through so I am interested in seeing what she does with it. The other college girl gets in a new outfit today. If I like what I see, I am going to see if she might want to get together this weekend. The second one seems lonelier. I did not put her picture up in the previous post. Otherwise it might just end up being an amusing experiment. I have spent about $600 to winnow down a list of about fifteen woman who I have exchanged texts with to the final two. Maybe three if count the woman in Puerto Rico.

BTW, Seeking strongly advises not to send money before you meet these women. Two have outright ripped me off without a return of even a picture. I doubt they bought the clothes or even intended to follow through on it. So if it is going to bother you to lose $500 to $1000, I would not even think taking this approach. In fact, you should be following the methods of the all-stars like Steve9696 and others more successful than I.

Midwestern
03-31-21, 11:45
There was a hot MP girl that I was banging couple of years ago. We always met at her place. But then she moved. However, her younger sister moved here, and she set me up with her sister. Her younger sister isn't as hot, and so after a few times of banging her, I stopped seeing her. After a few months of being ignored by me, that younger sister sent me a text asking if I wanted to do a threesome with her friend. I agreed. Ever since then, she is always finding new girls for us to have threesomes with. She actually contacted me today because she found another new girl. I will try to meet them next week. I think this is a pretty cool arrangement. And, I have to commend this younger sister. She knows she has become stale to me, but she has found a way to keep me coming back.

Any of you guys have girls pimping you out? It's a first for me.

Steve 9696
03-31-21, 12:29
There was a hot MP girl that I was banging couple of years ago. We always met at her place. But then she moved. However, her younger sister moved here, and she set me up with her sister. Her younger sister isn't as hot, and so after a few times of banging her, I stopped seeing her. After a few months of being ignored by me, that younger sister sent me a text asking if I wanted to do a threesome with her friend. I agreed. Ever since then, she is always finding new girls for us to have threesomes with. She actually contacted me today because she found another new girl. I will try to meet them next week. I think this is a pretty cool arrangement. And, I have to commend this younger sister. She knows she has become stale to me, but she has found a way to keep me coming back.

Any of you guys have girls pimping you out? It's a first for me.Dude you are living the dream there. Bangable girl uses you as fuck toy for her hot friends. Even when they are only semi-hot this is a home run. And I have to admit when a girl says I'm handsome or charming or something and seems to mean it I enjoy the ego stroke. Mega ego stroke to be pimped out. LOL. Jealous. And no, never happened to me!

There are lows and highs in this game. And maybe more lows than highs this past year with Covid. But damn the highs make it totally worth it. I feel rather sorry for those guys that haven’t discovered their second life yet. I can’t imagine life without my girls.

Midwestern
03-31-21, 14:52
Dude you are living the dream there. Bangable girl uses you as fuck toy for her hot friends. Even when they are only semi-hot this is a home run. And I have to admit when a girl says I'm handsome or charming or something and seems to mean it I enjoy the ego stroke. Mega ego stroke to be pimped out. LOL. Jealous. And no, never happened to me!

There are lows and highs in this game. And maybe more lows than highs this past year with Covid. But damn the highs make it totally worth it. I feel rather sorry for those guys that havent discovered their second life yet. I cant imagine life without my girls.They still expect a "gift" of course. I give them each $150. And I give the bangable girl an extra $30 as a finder's fee, LOL. My best guess is that none of them are pros, but just girls needing some extra cash. The bangable girl works in a coffee shop. But ain't that the ideal SB? But yeah, $330 for threesomes with 20-somethings is not something I should take for granted. And she contacts me pretty regularly. I never contact her. She usually contacts me whenever she and her friends want to have a big fun party night out (which is about every couple of weeks) and so they need some extra cash. Works for me.

Elvis 2008
03-31-21, 15:49
They still expect a "gift" of course. I give them each $150. And I give the bangable girl an extra $30 as a finder's fee, LOL. My best guess is that none of them are pros, but just girls needing some extra cash. The bangable girl works in a coffee shop. But ain't that the ideal SB? But yeah, $330 for threesomes with 20-somethings is not something I should take for granted. And she contacts me pretty regularly. I never contact her. She usually contacts me whenever she and her friends want to have a big fun party night out (which is about every couple of weeks) and so they need some extra cash. Works for me.Yeah, I have had that with stripper type SBs three times. They like to pay back their friends. Usually though the friends are better looking and better in the sack than the SB because they want to impress.

I will say with women whenever one of them says it is okay, they all follow.

Big Boss Man
03-31-21, 17:12
She sent her modeling photos last night. I was slightly disappointed that she is already heavily tattooed. I am not really a tattoo person. She could easily lose 10 to 15 pounds. She is willing to do more modeling. I sent her a text this morning to see if she would want to meet up. I am trying for 300.

Elvis 2008
03-31-21, 22:45
All in all, I hope to stop playing in LA and start traveling again.BBM, outside of the first one, I see much better at Hong Kong in Tijuana. I really did not try to play sugar daddy with any of the women there because Tijuana is so far from where I live, but I think some would be receptive to it. Women fly in from all over Mexico to Tijuana. I met one from Puerto Vallarta for example who was hot. I do not think she would have been down for an arrangement in Tijuana but in PV, I think I could have gotten her (even bare) for not too much. We had good chemistry.

Is the reason you are not traveling because of Covid? If you are nearing 70, you can get the vaccine and two weeks after your second dose, you are good to go.

I am not judging or telling you what to do. I just hate to see a guy paying what you are paying and not getting the value for it.

Big Boss Man
04-01-21, 16:28
BBM, outside of the first one, I see much better at Hong Kong in Tijuana. I really did not try to play sugar daddy with any of the women there because Tijuana is so far from where I live, but I think some would be receptive to it. Women fly in from all over Mexico to Tijuana. I met one from Puerto Vallarta for example who was hot. I do not think she would have been down for an arrangement in Tijuana but in PV, I think I could have gotten her (even bare) for not too much. We had good chemistry.

Is the reason you are not traveling because of Covid? If you are nearing 70, you can get the vaccine and two weeks after your second dose, you are good to go.

I am not judging or telling you what to do. I just hate to see a guy paying what you are paying and not getting the value for it.Five hours round trip travel time for two 30 minute relations does not seem worth it to me either. I am trying to cultivate a regular who relatively low mileage. Today is two weeks after my final covid shot so I ready to wade into the pool again. Except for I have a consulting assignment for three months so I won't be traveling until June or July.

I let my seeking subscription lapse. So if I can't hook up with these last two I will try other avenues. There are plenty of latina casas in LA County so I don't see why you have to drive to Tijuana.

Big Boss Man
04-01-21, 16:32
She sent her modeling photos last night. I was slightly disappointed that she is already heavily tattooed. I am not really a tattoo person. She could easily lose 10 to 15 pounds. She is willing to do more modeling. I sent her a text this morning to see if she would want to meet up. I am trying for 300.She asked for $100 for a meetup so I don't know what she has in mind. Probably not sex. $100 means she is not that experienced. The others have hit me up for a much higher number. Now she appears to have ghosted me as she is not returning texts as I hint at more. Maybe she is thinking about it.

Midwestern
04-02-21, 02:19
Yeah, I have had that with stripper type SBs three times. They like to pay back their friends. Usually though the friends are better looking and better in the sack than the SB because they want to impress.

I will say with women whenever one of them says it is okay, they all follow.Yes, exactly, the new gal in the threesome always tries to impress. And yes, when the SB vouches for you to her friends, her friends will be fully on board.

I actually got done with work early yesterday and decided to go for the threesome. But her friend wasn't that cute and her body wasn't that good.

Afterwards, I sent a message to my gal, asking if I could use her place to bang pros. But she said no way.

One of the best situations that I've ever been in was a couple of years ago, I was pretty good friends with a pro, and she let me use her apartment whenever I wanted, to bang other outcall pros. I just gave her $30 or $45 for letting me use the apartment every time. Man, that was great.

Steve 9696
04-02-21, 02:58
She asked for $100 for a meetup so I don't know what she has in mind. Probably not sex. $100 means she is not that experienced. The others have hit me up for a much higher number. Now she appears to have ghosted me as she is not returning texts as I hint at more. Maybe she is thinking about it.She is asking for $100 for a non-sex meetup. Guaranteed. Run away. Hard and fast. That's the problem with upfront gifts. If they can get stuff for free essentially doing nothing they aren't going to fuck you for $300.

Had a girl lay it out for me the other night. We had a nice chat. Planned a meetup. Finally get around to cost and I say $350. She says she only does $900. That she can make way more in the club. And there it is. She's a dancer. They make tons of money grinding on guys and giving blue balls. Why they going to fuck you for $300? They can get that in a half hour grinding at the club. Sigh. So entitled.

Latina casas in LA? Do tell (u can PM me or WhatsApp me as I assume this needs to stay on the downlow).

AmorPorFavor
04-02-21, 03:04
Five hours round trip travel time for two 30 minute relations does not seem worth it to me either. I am trying to cultivate a regular who relatively low mileage. Today is two weeks after my final covid shot so I ready to wade into the pool again. Except for I have a consulting assignment for three months so I won't be traveling until June or July.

I let my seeking subscription lapse. So if I can't hook up with these last two I will try other avenues. There are plenty of latina casas in LA County so I don't see why you have to drive to Tijuana.Yeah what about those Latina casas in LA?

Big Boss Man
04-02-21, 04:12
Yeah what about those Latina casas in LA?I used to go to them all the time in the 1990's. You can read El Classificado. There used to be a few around Firestone and Atlantic in South Gate. Look for the one's in East LOS Angeles.

The Cane
04-02-21, 13:20
It would appear that Mr. Gaetz and colleague are caught up in a Seeking Arrangement type of scandal. I say "type" since it isn't clear that SA was the medium used. But so far, the facts scream "sugar babies"!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.amp.html

Big Boss Man
04-02-21, 15:23
She is asking for $100 for a non-sex meetup. Guaranteed. Run away. Hard and fast. That's the problem with upfront gifts. If they can get stuff for free essentially doing nothing they aren't going to fuck you for $300.

Had a girl lay it out for me the other night. We had a nice chat. Planned a meetup. Finally get around to cost and I say $350. She says she only does $900. That she can make way more in the club. And there it is. She's a dancer. They make tons of money grinding on guys and giving blue balls. Why they going to fuck you for $300? They can get that in a half hour grinding at the club. Sigh. So entitled.

Latina casas in LA? Do tell (u can PM me or WhatsApp me as I assume this needs to stay on the downlow).I countered asking her for a massage. No reply. Another one lost in the cloud.

Elvis 2008
04-02-21, 23:24
There are plenty of latina casas in LA County so I don't see why you have to drive to Tijuana.Well, I was thinking about having a sugar baby for a weekend and getting one from a club not just banging someone there. That would be 48 hours of pleasure.

Also, I have driven LA to SD and it sucked. Maybe traffic is down post Covid but I have never seen highways become parking lots like California. But there was one time I took a train from LA to Tijuana, and it was great. There was beautiful scenery, and the time flew. I would do that again in a second but driving? Bleech! Forget it.

Midwestern
04-03-21, 03:14
It would appear that Mr. Gaetz and colleague are caught up in a Seeking Arrangement type of scandal. I say "type" since it isn't clear that SA was the medium used. But so far, the facts scream "sugar babies"!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/01/us/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department.amp.htmlThanks for posting this, Cane. This is a good reminder that everyone needs to be careful when bringing up money or sex with an SB. For example, you should never mention money or sex on any text messages.

Quotes from the NY Times article:

One of the sites the men met women through was called Seeking Arrangement, which describes itself as a place where wealthy people find attractive companions and pamper them "with fine dinners, exotic trips and allowances. " The site's founder has said it has 20 million members worldwide. The F. Be. I. Mentioned the website in a conversation with at least one potential witness, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

It is not illegal to provide adults with free hotel stays, meals and other gifts, but if prosecutors think they can prove that the payments to the women were for sex, they could accuse Mr. Gaetz of trafficking the women under "force, fraud or coercion. ".

The Cane
04-03-21, 12:31
Thanks for posting this, Cane. This is a good reminder that everyone needs to be careful when bringing up money or sex with an SB. For example, you should never mention money or sex on any text messages.

Quotes from the NY Times article:

One of the sites the men met women through was called Seeking Arrangement, which describes itself as a place where wealthy people find attractive companions and pamper them "with fine dinners, exotic trips and allowances. " The site's founder has said it has 20 million members worldwide. The F. Be. I. Mentioned the website in a conversation with at least one potential witness, according to a person familiar with the conversation.

It is not illegal to provide adults with free hotel stays, meals and other gifts, but if prosecutors think they can prove that the payments to the women were for sex, they could accuse Mr. Gaetz of trafficking the women under "force, fraud or coercion. ".Thanks for the clarification. I read the article really fast, and clearly skipped over the specific mention of Seeking Arrangement. This guy was also stupid in that he was openly sharing his "conquests" and entrusted somebody else who ultimately got busted, which led to him. I had a wingman one time who turned out to be a drunk and a fuck up. Never again!

WyattEarp
04-03-21, 13:59
Had a girl lay it out for me the other night. We had a nice chat. Planned a meetup. Finally get around to cost and I say $350. She says she only does $900. That she can make way more in the club. And there it is. She's a dancer. They make tons of money grinding on guys and giving blue balls. Why they going to fuck you for $300? They can get that in a half hour grinding at the club. Sigh. So entitled.Steve,

I'm not sure you literally meant strippers make $300 in a half hour. Sure, top strippers in top clubs can pull down huge cash. For many, there's less money and a lot of downtime.

My opinion strippers can rationalize grinding on strange guy's dicks, but many cannot actually rationalize fucking someone in a transactional nature. We also all know the mindset "I won't fuck a guy for money" when offered $300. How about $1,000? "Well, that's different."

With your skills, you can probably befriend a stripper and promise to wine and dine her with some cash at the end. Of course, SA is probably easier and more efficient than trying to screen strippers.

AsianMarkCuban
04-06-21, 13:40
Since we have new folks joining the group here, thought my newbie guide might help. This is primarily in the USA, though I did Argentina and UK with similar approach. And this was written for fly-in and may need adjustment for hometown game. Others who have done more pro / liberal destinations like MDE or MTY may want to augment.

So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you chave to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.Love the fact that you are sharing # $$$ here. I would use this as a reference in Dubai as well. Talked to a MILF and she is like pay me 400 bucks for a lunch meet. I'm like. I'm famous too! Haha JK.

Thanks buddy!

CenTexCrash
04-10-21, 23:03
Had a beachy outing to PVallarta via Monterrey. Just wanted to do something different for a change of scenery. And as a revenge trip from that time I went to MTY for 4 days and everything was closed.

Initially put out feelers to MTY, GDL, and CDMX to see if any SBs wanted to tag along to a beach outing. One curvy girl from CDMX seemed pretty serious about tagging on board but I got distracted by other DMs and should probably dig to find her she seems promising.

Prior to trip had two promising SBs in PVR and several more in MTY. One of 2 PVR nominees once I touched down in PVR finally said "well I'm on my period" but I got her WhatsApp info for future trips. Other PVR girl I forgot about didn't resurface until after my flight leaving PVR had a connection in GDL.

Flight was delayed, arrived in MTY, no SBs answering DMs. Went straight to bed. Next day, with trip cut short, one promising girl I had been chatting for 2 weeks "woke up with the flu" and couldn't meet, other just went AWOL until after I already boarded a Monday night bus back to Laredo.

That was almost 10 days ago and I haven't bothered logging into SA since. Maybe should give it another try.

Steve 9696
04-10-21, 23:49
So generally my SB relationships have been in passing. Not because I love it that way but because if I see a girl in a city when I travel it's only a night or two. And I hope to see them next visit, but who knows when that is. It's only with Covid I've really developed long term SB on the home front. With Layla.

For a variety of reasons we couldn't meet up for six weeks. And so when we did finally meet up it was great to see her. I guess we've been seeing each other off and on for 7 months now so we are really comfortable. She has sort of a boyfriend now but we are comfortable enough that's not a problem for either of us (or him actually). We had a nice lunch because I wanted to enjoy her beyond the room. And I went out of my way to bring a special drink for her.

After settling in and drinking some more I am sitting on the edge of the bed naked and she is on her knees blowing me. She's settled in as well and at some point announces "I thought we'the just do this for maybe an hour" WTF? Have I died and gone to heaven? Sure enough we do almost an hour of relaxed BJ. I'the done this with Alexa also recently and it's soo fun. I meant just casual. We're chatting and she's blowing me. We might take a break and drink some more wine and take a pee and then settle in again and get me worked up from scratch again. OMG it was great.

And so much laughter. Like she goes to spit on my dick and misses and hits me on the stomach. We both busted a gut. And later she goes to drool some spit in her cleavage as we tittie fuck some (nice!) and she misses and drools it on her tummy. LOL. She's pretty drunk but we both love her that way.

When we finally do fuck we use this new position that we discovered and we both love. Her on her back pussy at edge of bed legs in air. Me standing and spread my legs enough to get a nice line up with her pussy and wow. It's great. I can fuck forever like this because it's not tiring. And for her since I am an upcurve it really strokes her gspot. After a TON of fucking I let er rip in that position. Nice!

Later she's texts that she adores me. Like that too. Regulars are different than new girls but in a nice way.

DramaFree11
04-11-21, 00:48
So generally my SB relationships have been in passing. Not because I love it that way but because if I see a girl in a city when I travel it's only a night or two. And I hope to see them next visit, but who knows when that is. It's only with Covid I've really developed long term SB on the home front. With Layla.

For a variety of reasons we couldn't meet up for six weeks. And so when we did finally meet up it was great to see her. I guess we've been seeing each other off and on for 7 months now so we are really comfortable. She has sort of a boyfriend now but we are comfortable enough that's not a problem for either of us (or him actually). We had a nice lunch because I wanted to enjoy her beyond the room. And I went out of my way to bring a special drink for her.

After settling in and drinking some more I am sitting on the edge of the bed naked and she is on her knees blowing me. She's settled in as well and at some point announces "I thought we'the just do this for maybe an hour" WTF? Have I died and gone to heaven? Sure enough we do almost an hour of relaxed BJ. I'the done this with Alexa also recently and it's soo fun. I meant just casual. We're chatting and she's blowing me. We might take a break and drink some more wine and take a pee and then settle in again and get me worked up from scratch again. OMG it was great.Agree, Regulars are great. They text every couple days, some give me rides home from restaurants instead of taking cabs, it is the little things that makes arrangements better then straight up Escorts. Some guys get upset at what we pay girls, not me as I have said many times I get way back in return. Well worth the investment.

Another example that you can not put a value on. In the last 2 weeks, 3 girls have agreed to meet me in Laredo. They ride the bus for 3 hours to meet, 3 hour drive for me, plus the border, usually not an issue in the evenings, so it does not add significant time. What more can I ask for, we spend the night together and fun. Back to work the next day. You will never find and escort that will do that, without major compensation. The haters can keep complaining, while I and others perfect the game. Life is good! Off to my favorite restaurant in MTY to meet a stunning and exotic girl. 4th meeting of the day.

Midwestern
04-11-21, 13:34
Over the past few months, I had to shift from SBs / regulars to WGs. I will say, I have saved a lot of time and money. However, I miss the text messages. My SBs / regulars used to text me about a dozen times a day, and now I miss it. These SBs / regulars really make me feel like that I am their BF, while the WGs just make me feel like a customer, even though their service may be great. At some point, I will start looking for new SBs / regulars soon. Especially as the weather gets better. I love having a GF when the weather is nice. Or maybe I just get hornier when girls start showing more skin when they start wearing their shorts and summer dresses.


Agree, Regulars are great. They text every couple days, some give me rides home from restaurants instead of taking cabs, it is the little things that makes arrangements better then straight up Escorts. Some guys get upset at what we pay girls, not me as I have said many times I get way back in return. Well worth the investment.

Another example that you can not put a value on. In the last 2 weeks, 3 girls have agreed to meet me in Laredo. They ride the bus for 3 hours to meet, 3 hour drive for me, plus the border, usually not an issue in the evenings, so it does not add significant time. What more can I ask for, we spend the night together and fun. Back to work the next day. You will never find and escort that will do that, without major compensation. The haters can keep complaining, while I and others perfect the game. Life is good! Off to my favorite restaurant in MTY to meet a stunning and exotic girl. 4th meeting of the day.

MiamiBoy1
04-11-21, 23:18
Hey gents,

What city or cities are the best in terms of SA girls quality and selection and affordability / price? Top-3 based on your experience.

In Central and Latin America only.

Thanks!

SeekingHead
04-12-21, 03:49
Over the past few months, I had to shift from SBs / regulars to WGs. I will say, I have saved a lot of time and money. However, I miss the text messages. My SBs / regulars used to text me about a dozen times a day, and now I miss it. These SBs / regulars really make me feel like that I am their BF, while the WGs just make me feel like a customer, even though their service may be great. At some point, I will start looking for new SBs / regulars soon. Especially as the weather gets better. I love having a GF when the weather is nice. Or maybe I just get hornier when girls start showing more skin when they start wearing their shorts and summer dresses.Same here, I call them sugar girlfriends. I've had a few where it was boyfriend / girlfriend type of stuff.

TonyMontanaaO7
04-12-21, 14:46
Same here, I call them sugar girlfriends. I've had a few where it was boyfriend / girlfriend type of stuff.Getting Catfished is really very common in SA.

DramaFree11
04-12-21, 23:29
Hey gents,

What city or cities are the best in terms of SA girls quality and selection and affordability / price? Top-3 based on your experience.

In Central and Latin America only.

Thanks!1. MTY 2. Mexico City 3. GDL 4. If you can get a cheap flight Colombia, (Some likeit there others do not).

Midwestern
04-13-21, 12:33
Other than chemistry and physical appearance, probably my next most important criteria for an SB is if she can host. I often brought this up at the meet and greet. But eventually, it was one of the first questions that I asked when we started texting. Man, when an SB cannot host, it racks up the costs and the inconvenience.

I was thinking about this today when I visited my favorite pro at her apartment. As an aside, she has a new roommate, and so we had her join the fun. Just nice being able to show up and then leave.

Gfefan
04-14-21, 12:16
I'm thinking of entering the seeking.com scene. Some of my questions below are therefore novice. Please bear with me.

1. How is the scene in Europe? I live in Luxembourg. So, neighboring border areas of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands are easy.

2. What are some tips you pros would recommend?

3. Are there any specific pitfalls I should be aware of? Particularly, how do you spot time wasters / baiters?

4. Lastly, if I do find a good fit (let's say a Girl next door type who is not a WG), what are your thoughts on considering engaging without protection?

Many thanks for your guidance / help.

Midwestern
04-15-21, 01:49
Most of your questions have been answered in depth and in detail in this thread. You might start from the very beginning to get some basic answers, and then look for Steve's excellent guide for noobs. After that, you should skim the rest of the thread, as lots of posters from all over the world have provided excellent suggestions. Lots of Europeans on here too. Spending a few hours reading this thread will definitely pay off. Good luck!


I'm thinking of entering the seeking.com scene. Some of my questions below are therefore novice. Please bear with me.

1. How is the scene in Europe? I live in Luxembourg. So, neighboring border areas of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands are easy.

2. What are some tips you pros would recommend?

3. Are there any specific pitfalls I should be aware of? Particularly, how do you spot time wasters / baiters?

4. Lastly, if I do find a good fit (let's say a Girl next door type who is not a WG), what are your thoughts on considering engaging without protection?

Many thanks for your guidance / help.

WyattEarp
04-16-21, 21:17
Other than chemistry and physical appearance, probably my next most important criteria for an SB is if she can host. I often brought this up at the meet and greet. But eventually, it was one of the first questions that I asked when we started texting. Man, when an SB cannot host, it racks up the costs and the inconvenience.

I was thinking about this today when I visited my favorite pro at her apartment. As an aside, she has a new roommate, and so we had her join the fun. Just nice being able to show up and then leave.Midwestern, I believe you have been in China for awhile. I don't think I would recommend going to the apartment of a Latin American girl you barely know with cash. Even if you throw out the concern of theft, there are jealous boyfriends or the frumpy roommate in the next room.

Now I have been to the apartments of Brazilian escorts. However, they have been well-reviewed and live in nice neighborhoods.

Midwestern
04-17-21, 02:13
Midwestern, I believe you have been in China for awhile. I don't think I would recommend going to the apartment of a Latin American girl you barely know with cash. Even if you throw out the concern of theft, there are jealous boyfriends or the frumpy roommate in the next room.

Now I have been to the apartments of Brazilian escorts. However, they have been well-reviewed and live in nice neighborhoods.Hiya Wyatt:

Actually, I was referring the United States. When I was active on SA, I ended up going to over a dozen girls' homes. And I will tell you something, it was scary as shit, LOL. Of course, I wouldn't just go to their homes the first time straightaway. We would meet in a bar or restaurant, and then later we would go back to her place. However, every time that I did this, before I entered her apartment, I would jot down her apartment number and address and text it to someone (or pretend to text it to someone). I would tell the girl that I am doing this in case I disappear, and she would either chuckle, or say that she understood and that it was a good idea.

This reminds me of one time when the girl invited me over to her place on our 2nd date. She actually had a nice home, which was something that she got in a divorce. Anyway, that night, it was snowing. As I walked up to her front door, I noticed huge boot prints that were very fresh. I panicked, because maybe there was a huge guy waiting to rob me. But this girl had such great big tits, that I decided it was worth the risk. How stupid was that? But I got rewarded for my risk taking.

But I agree with you that it is risky and that everyone needs to exercise caution. As for Latin Americans, I don't have a thing for them. Every person that I dated on SA were white Americans. I have boring tastes.

DonCarlos1234
04-17-21, 07:25
IMO guys in LA should flog the log during the week, hop on the train to Tijuana on the weekends, and have a ball there. $500 can score you 5 (or more) different women on the weekend.

You could not pay me $500 to have sex in California with a woman there. No fucking way!In the 60"s there was "free love" ? Today If that other Elvis was alive, imagine the lawsuits. Probably over 1,000. And Frank Sinatra LOL Yes Tijuana is a bargain. So crowded last few days, like wild animals let out of their cages. (sex prison).

DonCarlos1234
04-17-21, 07:39
What am I selling with these women on Cancun (or PDC) anaggie, is a great time. Only places in the world I have been to that compare fun wise with the Cancun area are Orlando and Singapore (Yes, Singapore is a ball). What are you offering them? Money, and that is not what you want to do not with Cancun.

I keep telling guys to quit with the john-hooker attitude especially in the sugar daddy arena. The money for sex thing is transactional and safe but it is also sterile. The emphasis should be about improving the woman's life and not just throwing money at them. What I tell the sugar baby prospects is when we are together, we are together and when we are apart, we apart. I cannot control if you see other men and you cannot control if I see other women so let's not worry about that. My goal for you is to make me feel better in the moment and my goal with you is to give you a better life. I am going to do what you need but maybe not what you want.
I totally agree! And I am not far behind you. It may be a little warm in June, Is there a 2nd best MX travel option?

Pessimist
04-18-21, 20:53
I'm thinking of entering the seeking.com scene. Some of my questions below are therefore novice. Please bear with me.

1. How is the scene in Europe? I live in Luxembourg. So, neighboring border areas of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands are easy.

2. What are some tips you pros would recommend?

3. Are there any specific pitfalls I should be aware of? Particularly, how do you spot time wasters / baiters?

4. Lastly, if I do find a good fit (let's say a Girl next door type who is not a WG), what are your thoughts on considering engaging without protection?

Many thanks for your guidance / help.1. I think prices are pretty decent in Europe and quality is good. I don't have specific experience in Luxembourg or all the countries you mentioned, but that is my general experience in EU.

I would suggest however that you should browse seeking re: how many girls are present in each place and city you are targeting.

Seeking is not the only sugar site. It is great in US and many other countries but depending on city, there may be other sugar sites with better, more diverse selections.

2 and 3 - too many to list, and change from girl to girl. If you have your wits about you and are experienced in life, you will figure them out quickly.

4. How can anyone answer this question? When you fuck a girl w / o a condom you run some risks, no need to list them here. No one can tell you if those risks are worth taking. Only you would know your risk tolerance (unless you are coming here for reassurance from people you don't even know).

General tips: Don't send money to any person you never met, even if that girl looks ravishing in photos and promises all kinds of goodies. Don't discuss sex and money in seeking or in texts. If the girl is willing to have sex, you will sense that quickly and if the girl is not willing to have sex, she will say so as well. Finally, keep your expectations grounded, don't think you will have copious amounts of sex with supermodel type girls for a hundred bucks etc. , and be prepared for catfishing, no-shows, frauds and cheats, other nasty surprises; it is a long slog and you will need a lot of patience.

Midwestern
04-19-21, 01:20
Totally spot on advice and comments! Agree with everything that you wrote.


1. I think prices are pretty decent in Europe and quality is good. I don't have specific experience in Luxembourg or all the countries you mentioned, but that is my general experience in EU.

I would suggest however that you should browse seeking re: how many girls are present in each place and city you are targeting.

Seeking is not the only sugar site. It is great in US and many other countries but depending on city, there may be other sugar sites with better, more diverse selections.

2 and 3 - too many to list, and change from girl to girl. If you have your wits about you and are experienced in life, you will figure them out quickly.

4. How can anyone answer this question? When you fuck a girl w / o a condom you run some risks, no need to list them here. No one can tell you if those risks are worth taking. Only you would know your risk tolerance (unless you are coming here for reassurance from people you don't even know).

General tips: Don't send money to any person you never met, even if that girl looks ravishing in photos and promises all kinds of goodies. Don't discuss sex and money in seeking or in texts. If the girl is willing to have sex, you will sense that quickly and if the girl is not willing to have sex, she will say so as well. Finally, keep your expectations grounded, don't think you will have copious amounts of sex with supermodel type girls for a hundred bucks etc. , and be prepared for catfishing, no-shows, frauds and cheats, other nasty surprises; it is a long slog and you will need a lot of patience..

Gfefan
04-23-21, 13:15
Totally spot on advice and comments! Agree with everything that you wrote..Thank you all. I spent the last two weeks reading through all the pages here and now I think I have a good handle of do's and don'ts.

Taking the plunge now. Will keep posted how it goes.

P. S: As soon as I made the payment, my account was suspended. Has reached out to their customer service. Wonder if anyone else faced similar issue.

AmericanPi
04-23-21, 15:47
ISG Wise Men: my normal jam is the escort scene. Thinking to take plunge on SA, honestly just to have a less transactional experience. Been on this thread a while. A few questions I'd love some sage input on.

1. I'm not looking for a commitment (monthly stipend to girl). I am looking to show a girl a good time for a day (nice restaurants and such) and bang end of night. And then move on. Will that be received badly? Like are SA girls more just looking for a stipend?

2. Looking in Tijuana. Maybe San Diego. Anyone know the scene there?

3. Is the right way to do this to pick a few and message, or do a blast-out spray and' pray?

4. How much risk, in your experience, girl says after dinner but before hotel "thanks for the great night. I'm out." Is it crass to say you're looking for some hotel time in your chat before?

Steve 9696
04-24-21, 01:44
ISG Wise Men: my normal jam is the escort scene. Thinking to take plunge on SA, honestly just to have a less transactional experience. Been on this thread a while. A few questions I'd love some sage input on.

1. I'm not looking for a commitment (monthly stipend to girl). I am looking to show a girl a good time for a day (nice restaurants and such) and bang end of night. And then move on. Will that be received badly? Like are SA girls more just looking for a stipend?

2. Looking in Tijuana. Maybe San Diego. Anyone know the scene there?

3. Is the right way to do this to pick a few and message, or do a blast-out spray and' pray?

4. How much risk, in your experience, girl says after dinner but before hotel "thanks for the great night. I'm out." Is it crass to say you're looking for some hotel time in your chat before?Go back a few pages here and you will find my Newbie guide. Pretty much covers how to do it. In regards to your first question the monthly thing is really for the movies and what the press talks about. Nearly 100% of girls will do short time single night or two visits. Even girls who say "seeking long term only" if I dig their look I say "Hey I know you are looking for long term and I respect that. But if you would entertain a couple nights of awesomeness I am coming to town week xxx". I've had almost 100% success with those "long term only" girls responding that they'the like to talk more and maybe meetup.

Oneminuteboy
04-24-21, 23:48
Bear with me. My last experience is 6 months ago.


1. How is the scene in Europe? I live in Luxembourg. So, neighboring border areas of Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands are easy.I found it pretty good in Europe, price wise.

There are definitely some countries where they are more upfront about sex (Portugal, Spain) than others (Netherlands).

My experience with the Netherlands was that they were hesitant when I mentioned "some fun". And wanted a fee just for a first meeting.

Prague also had some lovely ladies who made it clear some compensation would always be required.


2. What are some tips you pros would recommend?Go with a pay per meet at start. Other this, check the thread.


3. Are there any specific pitfalls I should be aware of? Particularly, how do you spot time wasters / baiters?Try to move the conversation to a chat app and be clear to her what you want. And what you are willing to spend. Avoid those that want payment ahead of time. Or those that want payment for just a introduction meet.

For other pitfalls, read the thread.


4. Lastly, if I do find a good fit (let's say a Girl next door type who is not a WG), what are your thoughts on considering engaging without protection?I personally don't go further than BBBJ. Though some went a step further with bareback. Again, read the thread what people did.

Midwestern
04-25-21, 01:50
Thank you all. I spent the last two weeks reading through all the pages here and now I think I have a good handle of do's and don'ts.

Taking the plunge now. Will keep posted how it goes.

P. S: As soon as I made the payment, my account was suspended. Has reached out to their customer service. Wonder if anyone else faced similar issue.My account is also suspended. I was using a VPN when I tried to reactivate my account. I wonder if using a VPN has something to do with it. Where are you, and did you use VPN?

NapataJohn
04-25-21, 02:16
I use SA off an on before trips and it works great. Need to move PPM talk to whatsapp else you will be reported / blocked etc if the the lady is in a bad mood.

Elvis 2008
04-25-21, 15:28
Would 3 be better than 2? Last month, I took Nancy and Flo to Cancun and had the time of my life. I had gone to Colombia and dealt with the lockdowns and had two women, Maria and the woman of my dreams, I would shuttle back and forth to Cancun.

I thought maybe having 3 would be better than 2 so I added Maria from Bogota who was giddy about going to Cancun. She got her passport the day before the trip and I met her in Bogota and was worried that we would have trouble with customs but even though there were ten total check points in Colombia and Mexico, she was amazing, and we sailed through.

At this point, it is just Maria and me, and we drive down to a beach in Cancun. She runs to the beach: loud squeals, huge smile, a clothed woman running into the seaweed drenched beach without a care in the world. Pure joy. After a bit, I tell Maria we now have to pick up Nancy at the airport.

I go to pick up Nancy, and look everywhere and cannot see her. She taps me on the back and I turn around and smile at her. There she is, the hyperactive, insatiable sex addict who eats twice her 100 lb body weight daily with long heels, an umbrella, and quaint hat. She smiles at me and says in her wonderful Mexican accent, "I am Mary Poppins. " I give her a big hug and kiss and say with a laugh, "No, honey, you LOOK like Mary Poppins. " Then I wonder, "Has anyone done a Mary Poppins porn ripoff?

She gets in the car and I introduce her to Maria. They start talking Spanish and it is so fast I cannot pick it up. Big laughs. Instant chemistry. Nancy formed a whatsapp group with me, her, and Flo and called it Modern Family, and Nancy quickly added Maria. Of course, I wonder what they are laughing about. Could it be me and my sexual inadequacies? Yeah, probably.

We decide to go to a cenote, the wonderful swimming holes throughout the Yucutan, and Nancy screams I am hungry. They have a food stand at the cenote and Nancy gets cheese quesadillas and peppers them with hot sauce. Colombian cuisine does not have spicy food, and Maria takes a bite and even though she is half negra, her face turns red, and she begs for some water and drinks damned near a gallon of it. Nancy then asks, "Mas quesadillas?

We get in the water and it is wonderful. There is a big cliff probably 8 or 10 feet high to jump into the water. Nancy is dying to jump on it, and I tell her we will do the smaller cliff first and work our way up. Maria is quiet. She says that she will take our photo and not jump. So we get up to the big cliff, and Nancy says, "Tu primero!" Me first? I take satisfaction knowing that if I die at least she will starve to death.

I do a cannonball, and because I hit the water right, the dive is pain free. Nancy is right behind. Big laughs as she comes to the surface, and she starts splashing me. We get to the other side of the cenote, and Maria shows us our picture and then tells us she cannot swim. Nancy then gets all serious and says "I am teacher. " Nancy is the oldest in her family and has two brothers, and she is a great teacher. The cenote is mostly shallow and only deep in spots and it is a perfect place to learn. 30 minutes later, Nancy has Maria diving under the water and floating on her back. An hour later, Maria is jumping off the taller cliff.

There is one secluded cavern in Cenote Azul. Maria is the first to follow me there and we start kissing and she grabs junior under the water. The usual dick shrinkage now becomes extension. We call Nancy over. Nancy sees what we are doing and gives a devilish grin and dives under the water to give me head. It only lasts 15 seconds, but I had my first underwater blowjob!

We get out of the water and now go to pick up Flo. Nancy jumps out of the car and gives Flo a big hug, and I was hoping I would see some French kissing between them but it was not meant to be.

There are three rooms in the Airbnb apartment and Nancy quickly picks out the king sized bed and wants to sleep with me. Sigh. Is this going to be a problem I wonder? Will I get any sleep?

We go to dinner at Don Sirloin as I read they have some of the best tacos al pastor in the Cancun area. Maria is hesitant but I insist on ordering for her and she screams with delight with the tacos. Flo and I order four tacos apiece and Nancy does six and finishes off all the spares. The alcohol flows and there is mescal, margaritas, and tequila to burn.

We go back to the apartment, and Nancy and Maria scream to show me the bed. They are both twerking on it and laughing. Stereo twerking? However, I am tired. I soon lay down and fall to sleep. After what seems like hours, Nancy wakes me up. "One more time?" she asks and proceeds to fuck and suck the hell out of me. Thoughtfully, she left me on my back and did all the work. It is good being the daddy.

We were supposed to head to Xcaret on Sunday, but it was closed so we went to the ruins of Coba. The large temple that I had previously climbed is shut down because of Covid I guess. I silently was thankful as I thought the women could have easily lapped me.

That morning, I attempted Nancy's workout and it nearly killed me. You think you can do what you did at 21 like Nancy until you actually try it. Then I tried Flo's more "mellow" yoga routine and I laughed as joints and parts of my spine popped that I did not know could pop.

It was hot at Coba and when we were done with our tour, we decided to go to a different cenote and cool off with a swim. Flo picked one where we could dive from cliffs into the water. In the beginning, the cenote was packed due to a tour bus, but the bus left and slowly the crowd thinned until just the four of us remained. Flo was getting up the courage to do a jump when Maria swam over to me. I had my back in the water and my feet up on the rocks and Maria says "So you do not like me anymore?" She then pulled junior out of my swimsuit and started blowing me. Nancy giggled and indicated she wanted to play and now I had Nancy on the right and Maria licking on the left. I wondered. Has anyone done a porn movie in a cenote?

We get back to the airBNB and talk about dinner, and Maria has never had lobster. We go to a swanky place, and the three girls get the lobster, and I get pizza con langosta, pizza with lobster. I was not in the mood to work for my food by cutting open a lobster but OMG was that pizza good! There is a combination of sausage, olives, and lobster that just flows. Every bite is pure heaven. I give the girls a taste, and they confess to me that I got the best dish.

At dinner, all the girls ordered wine, but I got a Coke, and it was the best kind: sugar instead of HFCS and in the bottle. When the girls went to do a toast, I poured my Coke into the glass, sniffed it, twirled it, inspected it, and then did the toast. I sipped it then. Very nice, I thought. I looked at the bottle and saw it was stamped April 2021, an excellent vintage.

We go back to the apartment and Maria insists on sleeping with me. She gives me the great head I love from her, and she rides me. I then get on top of her and finish in missionary where we cum together. She then tells me, "You know daddy, I really like it up the ass. I have a very tight ass. " Uh, good to know, I tell her.

The next day we went to Xcaret and we snorkel which is again something Maria has not done, and she loves it. We are in the water for about two hours snorkeling and Maria screams, "I am hungry. " We then go to the all you can eat buffet included with our tickets. I had planned for us to do the river swim but it is too late now. One of the girls comes back and says that the sea trek, a way to go 6 feet deep down in the water and walk with a scuba type device is still available. The salt water had drained me, but I paid for the girls to go, and they loved it.

The Xcaret Mexican Spectacular show really is amazing, and that was our last stop. I had seen it before but was eager to see it again. The show lasted 2 hours but this time it flew by. At first there was a history of Mexico and then there was the song and dance of each region of Mexico. Despite the narrow seating area, Flo and Nancy got into the performance and sang and danced along with the Mexican performances in the stands. It was nearing the end of the show and I told the women to get their cameras ready and shoot video. The ending has a string of parrots flying around the stadium and has to be seen to be believed. The women were in tears at the beauty (that or they were thinking that they had to sex with me later). It could have been either.

Maria gave me a huge kiss and told me that this trip had changed her life. Nancy and Flo told me that this was one of the best days of their lives and when we got back to the apartment, they decided they were going to show their appreciation.

They spent an hour getting all dolled up: Nancy in Red, Maria in white, and Flo in black, and they did a dance routine. They teased me and asked, "Can you handle three beautiful women?" I wanted to say, "Of course not. Didn't you see me try to do yoga? But I was fortified by the blue pill and took them on one at a time. Nancy had confessed wanting a threesome with Maria so I instructed all of them to kiss and go down on one another. Flo, being the oldest, started first, and even though she is 32, she rode me hard. I asked her if she got off and she said she did, but I was not sure.

Maria was next, the second oldest, and she was riding junior hard and bucking like a stallion. There was no doubt she got off as she squirted. Nancy was next, and she went at it as hard as Maria. I think there may have been a competition as Nancy fucked me as hard as Maria did and even though she had only squirted with me once before, Nancy let out a gusher, and the couch was soaked.

I thought to myself, "Oh fuck, there goes the Airbnb deposit."

I had another round with each, finished inside of Nancy and snuck off to bed. I suspect the women played with themselves later into the evening.

We went to Isla Mujeres our last day. The ferry from Cancun got us there in 15 minutes. We rented a golf cart and got around the whole island in around 3 hours. We settled on playa norte and ordered food. The beach may have been my favorite in Cancun: white sand, not much seaweed, and a great view of the city. We ate and drank, jumped and rode waves, splashed each other, and laughed and laughed. I doubt anyone in the world was having more fun than we were that day.

It was the last night, and I really had not spent as much time with Flo. In Modern Family terms, Flo was the mom and Nancy and Maria were the daughters so I decided to fuck the wife really good the last night of the trip.

Flo had been through a lot. Unlike the other women, she had gotten through school and had a job, but she quit it and wanted to stay in the Cancun area. She said the rents were too high in Monterrey and the dog-eat-dog world of Monterrey she described reminded me of the USA. Monterrey is really the most American of all the big cities in Mexico, and she thought moving to the laid back Cancun region would be best for her. The good part is that there were a lot of help wanted signs up in the Cancun area.

So she was stressed, and I started massaging her arms and back. We kissed, and Flo had told me she was not interested in having a boyfriend. I got the impression that Flo had not been sexually active for a while and after kissing her, it was very hard to get junior inside of her. With the help of lube, I got in and she was tight. I was not going to last long and asked between her moans, "Is it okay if I cum now?" and she said in a very serious tone, "No!" So I held my cum for another 10 or 15 minutes and now I got the sound, smell, and shaking of a woman really having multiple orgasms. I finally finished and she hugged the stuffing out of me and said in the sweetest voice she could, "I love you, baby", and I knew she meant it.

Thing is that I had told Flo and Nancy the night before that Modern Family may have come to an end. I had met the woman of my dreams from Colombia the week before, and I had told them that this might be our last adventure. Flo and Nancy understood and wished me well. They said if I had found love, I had to give it my all.

With Maria, it was tougher to take. She had flown into Mexico and had seen all that it had to offer. She had gotten to calling Flo and Nancy her sisters and my finding the woman of my dreams may have cut her off from her new friends and freedom.

Flo asked for help with an apartment, and I paid for an Airbnb for her for a week. Nancy said she would stay for the week as well, and Maria, who was supposed to leave the same day I did, changed her ticket and snuck in to stay with them as well. Given Colombia is in lockdown, I cannot say I blame her. As of now, they are still down there and I am sure having a ball. I wonder if they are taking applications now for a new daddy to lead the family.

I thought that three would be better than two as two seemed to always be better than one. The truth is that the right one was best of all. As for three being better than two, outside of meals, we were usually split up anyway. Maria and Nancy became such good friends they often separated from me and Flo. When it was just me with Nancy and Flo, the three of us were always together.

And then there were the expenses. When you compare feeding, housing, and entertaining three versus two, the fun does not go up with the expenses so in that sense it was not worth it.

There were a few times that treating them equally also got to be a bit of an expense. Maria needed a new suitcase and somehow I had to buy three versus the one I intended to.

Still, when you consider we were together four days together, I gave them very little money directly. For the guys who ask me "how much? I always say do not mention price. You define the woman as a ho and yourself as a john.

Almost every single woman I know in their 20's wants to travel, have fun, and party, and if you can be a good party planner and director, you can have these women eating out of your hand. I did not plan the foursome the night after Xcaret, the women did, and they did out of friendship, appreciation, and love and not for money. I would be shocked if these women did not have dozens of friends asking if they could come along if we had a new adventure.

So while the answer to my question of 3 being better than 2 was not yes, I can say the experiment in answering that question was a helluva lot of fun.

Maybe if things do not work out between myself and the woman of my dreams, I will have a new question to answer. Is 4 better than 3? It has to be. Right?

Elvis 2008
04-25-21, 15:37
Here they are.

CarloRogue
04-25-21, 18:06
My account is also suspended. I was using a VPN when I tried to reactivate my account. I wonder if using a VPN has something to do with it. Where are you, and did you use VPN?Yes, most likely it's your VPN. Happened to me multiple times. It's their security algorithm flagging anything outside the ordinary (eg, foreign IP address). They have a great business model: high-paying customers that won't complain about poor service and low overhead, but it operates on a knife edge. It's simple for them to enforce stringent access policies and ban customers for the slightest perceived offense, than track down innocent errors. Then they can claim good corporate citizenship if and when the authorities come a-calling (which seems inevitable. Ref: Craigslist personals). Same reason they're quick to accept a SB's complaint about an SD and ban him with zero due process, but not vice versa. Anyway, I digress. Just contact their customer service to explain what happened, and they should be willing to reinstate your account. They're pretty helpful, though it is not a 24/7 operation. They also used to manually process payment info, but not sure if they still do.

DramaFree11
04-26-21, 01:59
Would 3 be better than 2? Last month, I took Nancy and Flo to Cancun and had the time of my life. I had gone to Colombia and dealt with the lockdowns and had two women, Maria and the woman of my dreams, I would shuttle back and forth to Cancun.

I thought maybe having 3 would be better than 2 so I added Maria from Bogota who was giddy about going to Cancun. She got her passport the day before the trip and I met her in Bogota and was worried that we would have trouble with customs but even though there were ten total check points in Colombia and Mexico, she was amazing, and we sailed through.

At this point, it is just Maria and me, and we drive down to a beach in Cancun. She runs to the beach: loud squeals, huge smile, a clothed woman running into the seaweed drenched beach without a care in the world. Pure joy. After a bit, I tell Maria we now have to pick up Nancy at the airport.

I go to pick up Nancy, and look everywhere and cannot see her. She taps me on the back and I turn around and smile at her. There she is, the hyperactive, insatiable sex addict who eats twice her 100 lb body weight daily with long heels, an umbrella, and quaint hat. She smiles at me and says in her wonderful Mexican accent, "I am Mary Poppins. " I give her a big hug and kiss and say with a laugh, "No, honey, you LOOK like Mary Poppins. " Then I wonder, "Has anyone done a Mary Poppins porn ripoff?

She gets in the car and I introduce her to Maria. They start talking Spanish and it is so fast I cannot pick it up. Big laughs. Instant chemistry. Nancy formed a whatsapp group with me, her, and Flo and called it Modern Family, and Nancy quickly added Maria. Of course, I wonder what they are laughing about. Could it be me and my sexual inadequacies? Yeah, probably.

We decide to go to a cenote, the wonderful swimming holes throughout the Yucutan, and Nancy screams I am hungry. They have a food stand at the cenote and Nancy gets cheese quesadillas and peppers them with hot sauce. Colombian cuisine does not have spicy food, and Maria takes a bite and even though she is half negra, her face turns red, and she begs for some water and drinks damned near a gallon of it. Nancy then asks, "Mas quesadillas?Awesome, so happy for you. The haters are real going to be jealous about this one. I am MTY now on my 4th meeting. I am at S. Prime. Life is good.

Elvis 2008
04-26-21, 16:42
Awesome, so happy for you. The haters are real going to be jealous about this one. I am MTY now on my 4th meeting. I am at S. Prime. Life is good.Thanks, DF. It is hard to believe one can be better than 3 but she was. I hope you have a great time in MTY. MTY girls are the best.

Steve 9696
04-26-21, 20:59
Love that story Elvis. It's absolutely spectacular when the girls are real humans as well as sexual dynamos. The part about one of the girls and the beach is just priceless. I had this same experience with Alexa. She'd never seen the ocean before much less swam In it. She was absolutely giddy. She'd get knocked down by waves and pop up laughing. It was intoxicating to see life thru her young eyes.

More power to you man. Just keep finding those gems and holding them as long as you can!

DramaFree11
04-26-21, 22:56
Love that story Elvis. It's absolutely spectacular when the girls are real humans as well as sexual dynamos. The part about one of the girls and the beach is just priceless. I had this same experience with Alexa. She'd never seen the ocean before much less swam In it. She was absolutely giddy. She'd get knocked down by waves and pop up laughing. It was intoxicating to see life thru her young eyes.

More power to you man. Just keep finding those gems and holding them as long as you can!Yes, he is definitely the man. My Sunday in MTY was pretty amazing as well. Drove in from Laredo. I met 2 girls at the Love Motel in MTY. This place is really cool, you guys need to check is out. (Love Hotel MTY) They have suites with swimming pools, saunas, and pool tables. Finish up there, one of my regulars meets me at my regular hotel. 2 hours of fun. I tell her I have a business meeting. I take off to S. Prime. I meet the Model there. We had a lot of fun, but she was on her period, so no sex. She wanted to, but I was too tired. She spent the night and hung out until 12 pm. 3:30 another regular shows up, great experience, she is so fun and beautiful. Final girl is coming over at 8:30 pm. 5'8', 105 pounds, humble and sweat. She is spending the night. Tuesday is booked up a couple new girls, and the model. Unfortunately a quick trip, then off to Houston, for a couple big projects.

DramaFree11
04-27-21, 00:05
Thanks, DF. It is hard to believe one can be better than 3 but she was. I hope you have a great time in MTY. MTY girls are the best.Yep, we talked about that. I warned you, but it all worked out. "One More Time", She is beautiful girl, but I can only handle about 90 minutes with her.

Steve 9696
04-27-21, 21:08
Well I'm not killing it like Elvis and DF. But I am carrying the torch as best I can and thrilled to report I had a successful SA date — just how it's supposed to go — here at home finally!

As you know, in my new hometown I have struggled with SA and the girls here. Of course I have Layla, but other than her, I have been faced with a lot of challenges:

1. Girls who get you all chatted up and even agree a PPM, but when you go to meet they say they need gas money or whatever before the meetup. Bye.

2. Girls who meet for dinner but have not really done this before and get cold feet on the rest of the deal. (this is kinda depressing, because you feel like you weren't able to seal the deal, but I do think it's mostly just reality sinking in and nothing personal).

I guess Farah was a nice surprise, because she'd never done it, I seduced her and we had great sex for a few weeks till she felt guilty. But there has really been no "the normal SB date including sex" girl until last night.

I found Mina about three weeks ago. Other than her "Friends with Benefits" tag her profile sounded a bit more like she wants to find a mentor, etc. So I wasn't sure. But when I pinged her she said she was "down for an arrangement". We went quickly to text and chatted a bit more and worked out the details. She asked if I could do 400 and I said yes, but I would need something more comfortable if we started meeting weekly and she said that's fine. (I think this is a good line that sets the expectation that we won't be "full price" when on a regular cadence).

Really she was very attentive and nice to talk to by text -- thought it might be a scam. We set a date and time for a dinner date. I sent subtle signals like "you can park on XXX, its right across from the Hilton" -- but you just never know. Then, about an hour before we meet, she says she has to do a house clean at 6 that she forgot about and can we meet an hour later. Oh geez, here we go.

But sure enough she shows up at the new meet time. Both restaurants I tried though, were booked with a 45 minute wait so we went to a very chill bar nearby. She was cool with this. So we settled in and had two drinks each and had a really nice and chill conversation. She is quite good looking (tho her long hair turns out to be a wig) and slim. Best looking girl so far via local SA scene by far.

I suppose I am often fairly drunk and "making a move" comes easy, but I was more in my head -- probably after all the recent fails. I touched her lightly during the course of conversation and at one point deliberately took her wrist to look at a tattoo she has there. Seemed fine. Good sign.

After I finished my second drink and she was mostly done she says "so what are you thinking"? And I say "I'm thinking about you! Want to get out of here?" to which she says sure. I mean that's kinda code but not completely a done deal. She picks up her phone and says "Shit I am missing a Zoom meeting -- I totally forgot" and I am resigned to the fact that she has this all planned out and is leaving and I am going home alone.

But she says well, I already missed it, so nothing I can do, let's go. Whew. As we emerge from the bar and are a hundred feet down the street. She says "where did you park" and I say across from the Hilton indicating right. She says "oh I am over this way" indicating left. For some reason I am not flowing but she picks up the ball and says "So what do you want to do?" and my dick fortunately tells my brain the right answer and I say "Well, I want to go to the Hilton!" and she says "OK, let's go" -- WTF? That's just how it's supposed to go. She says she'll meet me there.

So I walk the couple blocks to the Hilton, taking viagra on the way (a little late it turns out!) and booking via HotWire as I walk. I manage to just get it booked as I cross the street, but I guess computers work fast these days, because the clerk has my reservation and I check in, with Mina joining me at the elevators a few minutes later.

In the room, the undressing and sex is a bit perfunctory. She asks for a condom for the BJ, but let's me wave it off rather easily. But still, its just a few porn star in and outs and then she's ready to suit up. The sex is pretty good, but the kissing light. She does let me kiss a bit though, and even though its not DFK its nice to have that aspect.

We try a couple positions, and probably go for 15-20 minutes but I am a bit floppy having not hit the Viagra timing right and with her under performing on BJ. Even so, she is a nice girl and feels bad that I am not rock hard for her. She get's back on the BJ (uncovered) but it feels just OK. Something about her technique is just not what I am used to.

Trooper that she is, she keeps at it a very long time -- like maybe 15 minutes? I finally move her to more licking and hand action and we eventually get a shot, but it was a labor of love from both parties.

Got to say that even though the sex was distinctly mediocre, she is a very pretty girl and a very nice person and frankly pretty nice to be with outside the room. And I am totally thrilled to execute a basic SA meet and fuck! It shouldn't be that hard -- but its satisfying to finally get one done locally.

I am hoping that we can have some discussions about what I like in bed and turn her into a regular at 300. We will see over coming weeks.

DramaFree11
04-27-21, 21:21
Well I'm not killing it like Elvis and DF. But I am carrying the torch as best I can and thrilled to report I had a successful SA date just how it's supposed to go here at home finally!

As you know, in my new hometown I have struggled with SA and the girls here. Of course I have Layla, but other than her, I have been faced with a lot of challenges:

1. Girls who get you all chatted up and even agree a PPM, but when you go to meet they say they need gas money or whatever before the meetup. Bye.

2. Girls who meet for dinner but have not really done this before and get cold feet on the rest of the deal. (this is kinda depressing, because you feel like you weren't able to seal the deal, but I do think it's mostly just reality sinking in and nothing personal)..Good news. A win is a win! I am looking at a new business opportunity and might be moving to SA, (San Antonio). I had good luck on SA in San Antonio, before Covid. I might try it again since I will have a house there now and will be making great money. Before I was driving in from Austin, for the night, but it was still cheaper then the girls in Austin and way better experience. SA was real fun in San Antonio. We will see, but for now Austin, for work and MTY for the girls. The girls were much more realistic in San Antonio, with both price and time. I thought Austin would be a gold mind, and better then Houston, but I was wrong. Keep up the great reports. I am leaving SA tonight and heading to Houston for work.

Elvis 2008
04-28-21, 00:45
Yep, we talked about that. I warned you, but it all worked out. "One More Time", She is beautiful girl, but I can only handle about 90 minutes with her.Nancy is a trip: so pretty, so great in bed, but immature and somewhat selfish. She is the stripper that I see most American women as: talented but maybe just not as greedy and not as fucked up. Before we went down into one cenote, she struck a model pose and damned every guy not just stared at her but had their jaw drop.

Then Flo texts me today. Nancy has moved out of the Airbnb. Why? I have no clue. Apparently, she snagged most of the food I left them in the apartment and took two towels with her. Flo making a ploy for money? Maybe. Thing is Nancy was the one doing most of the cooking and cleaning. This was the kind of drama and cat fighting I was afraid of with the three that did not happen when I was there.

Nancy and Maria got along the best when I was there and now it looks like Flo and Maria are buddies.

I have to tell you that I do not think most guys could handle Nancy. She is so talented, so horny, and such a good fuck that a lot of guys, especially young guys, would fall hard for her. Apparently, there is a brain surgeon in MTY courting her hard.

Thing is she confessed being a sex addict to me, and I am not sure one guy will ever keep her happy.

Elvis 2008
04-28-21, 00:47
Well I'm not killing it like Elvis and DF. But I am carrying the torch as best I can and thrilled to report I had a successful SA date just how it's supposed to go here at home finally!
Steve, MTY and Bogota are like fishing in a stocked pond. You are fishing in the open water. Kudos to you for catching one!

DramaFree11
04-28-21, 04:11
Nancy is a trip: so pretty, so great in bed, but immature and somewhat selfish. She is the stripper that I see most American women as: talented but maybe just not as greedy and not as fucked up. Before we went down into one cenote, she struck a model pose and damned every guy not just stared at her but had their jaw drop.

Then Flo texts me today. Nancy has moved out of the Airbnb. Why? I have no clue. Apparently, she snagged most of the food I left them in the apartment and took two towels with her. Flo making a ploy for money? Maybe. Thing is Nancy was the one doing most of the cooking and cleaning. This was the kind of drama and cat fighting I was afraid of with the three that did not happen when I was there.

Nancy and Maria got along the best when I was there and now it looks like Flo and Maria are buddies.

I have to tell you that I do not think most guys could handle Nancy. She is so talented, so horny, and such a good fuck that a lot of guys, especially young guys, would fall hard for her. Apparently, there is a brain surgeon in MTY courting her hard.

Thing is she confessed being a sex addict to me, and I am not sure one guy will ever keep her happy.I think 75% of the girls we are with in MTY and Bogota,(For you) are sex addicts. As you said, I am having the best sex of my life with some or the prettiest and humble girls of my life's. Living the dream!

LivingFossil
04-28-21, 15:43
Nancy is a trip: so pretty, so great in bed, but immature and somewhat selfish. She is the stripper that I see most American women as: talented but maybe just not as greedy and not as fucked up. Before we went down into one cenote, she struck a model pose and damned every guy not just stared at her but had their jaw drop.

Then Flo texts me today. Nancy has moved out of the Airbnb. Why? I have no clue. Apparently, she snagged most of the food I left them in the apartment and took two towels with her. Flo making a ploy for money? Maybe. Thing is Nancy was the one doing most of the cooking and cleaning. This was the kind of drama and cat fighting I was afraid of with the three that did not happen when I was there.

Nancy and Maria got along the best when I was there and now it looks like Flo and Maria are buddies.

I have to tell you that I do not think most guys could handle Nancy. She is so talented, so horny, and such a good fuck that a lot of guys, especially young guys, would fall hard for her. Apparently, there is a brain surgeon in MTY courting her hard.

Thing is she confessed being a sex addict to me, and I am not sure one guy will ever keep her happy.Wow small world! I was with one of your girls in MTY just before she went to see you. She was telling about her trip, we both had to go to the airport the same day. I met her on SA.

She gave me a different name than what you posted, her IG pics are the exact same ones you posted LOL. Wow you had an amazing time. I want to be like you one day, but I don't think I could ever handle 3 girls on a vacation. I didn't read older posts but I assume you had good experiences with all three before? I had such a good time with my first trip to MTY and first time using SA. Now I am wondering in it can work here in the USA. The problem is I don't think I can afford $500 per session. Keep posting!

Steve 9696
04-28-21, 21:06
Got my first travel coming up and going to take my standard "hedging my bets" approach. Have one girl set for dinner night one and another for night two. Then I will take the winner on night three and four. This has worked pretty well in the past although in Vegas I took three girls three different nights and repeated with two.

Funny thing is both girls are tall slim black girls. One 5-9 and one 5-10. One has a super cute face. The other less so but has a banging body and very frisky by text. We will see — that's half the fun!

Midwestern
04-29-21, 01:22
You guys are just killing it on SA! So happy for you guys. And I love reading the reports. Keep them coming!

As for me, I am back to MPs, and incalls with WGs. I have not had an SB since February. There is one girl that I am hoping will become an SB. She's a young gal that waitresses at a bar. I hooked up with her over a year ago. Amazing tight little body. But we lost touch during the pandemic, but we are suddenly texting again. She understands what I want, but she now has a roommate, and so we have no place to meet. I'm willing to pay for her to get her own apartment, but I want to see if the chemistry is still there first. She used to genuinely like me. I'm trying to figure out how to meet up. Hotels are pretty strict in Shanghai nowadays. I prefer to do things anonymously, but this is almost impossible now in China. I told her that I'd give her roommate $30 to get lost for a few hours. She said she would talk to her roommate. We shall see.

WyattEarp
04-29-21, 15:27
As for me, I am back to MPs, and incalls with WGs. I have not had an SB since February. There is one girl that I am hoping will become an SB. She's a young gal that waitresses at a bar. I hooked up with her over a year ago. Amazing tight little body. But we lost touch during the pandemic, but we are suddenly texting again. She understands what I want, but she now has a roommate, and so we have no place to meet. I'm willing to pay for her to get her own apartment, but I want to see if the chemistry is still there first. She used to genuinely like me. I'm trying to figure out how to meet up. Hotels are pretty strict in Shanghai nowadays. I prefer to do things anonymously, but this is almost impossible now in China. I told her that I'd give her roommate $30 to get lost for a few hours. She said she would talk to her roommate. We shall see.I'm guessing the roommate is a guy or not very attractive. I once met a very pretty, slim Viet girl and her chubby friend in a bar in Vietnam. They wanted to go karaoke which was very cheap for drinking and singing at that time. A comfortable room with a karaoke machine, large TV screen and a faux leather sofa. Servers would bring you cheap drinks and snacks. (Ahhh, those days when a few bucks bought booze, entertainment and a hot chick.).

Anyways, the chubby Viet girl is rubbing my crotch and she's got that giddy look like "I'm going to get fucked. I'm going to get fucked. " I kiss the pretty one to make sure my intentions are clear. No worries they're both all over me. So time to go back to my GF friendly hotel. I wasn't sure if you could instruct the servers to leave you own and get down on the sofa. I didn't think so. I think kissing and groping is the extent of it. Of course, some Viet karaoke joints have a stable of pretty girls who will sing and drink with you. Kind of odd for we Americans, but fun in it's own way.

The pretty one indicates that it's a package deal. The price was just about the going rate for one pick-up girl in town which I think was about $25-$30 at that time. You figure the pretty one brings the chubby one along for moral support and / or to help her get some action. I have to honestly say the action was incredible. The chubby one is sucking me off like a kid with her first popsicle. The same time I'm kissing the pretty one who really was a bit lethargic. When I fucked the pretty one, the chubby one was just kind of on the side touching and licking the two of us. When it came to fuck the chubby girl, I let her get on top and do her rodeo while I kept the pretty Viet's lips close to mine. The chubby one's energy and enthusiasm combined with the beauty of the pretty one somehow made it all come together.

All in all, it was much better than expected. I was happy. The two girls were very, very happy. They slept over and proceeded to start working on me in the morning. When I brought the two girls back that night, the desk clerk said I could have one girl with double room, but government law required a second perfunctory room for the second girl. No big deal. It was $15. I don't know if they were just trying to make an extra buck, but in a quasi-communist country it's very possible that was the regulation.

We ended our chance encounter with a nice breakfast. The girls were appreciative and liked being treated like royal concubines. We all exchanged hugs, kisses and emails, but I never made a return trip. You kind of wonder if they are still friends, mothers, etc. And do they talk about that night they tag-teamed the American guy and fondly laugh. Or perhaps, they can't remember exactly how many foreign guys they shagged together. We are all a blur in their memory.

Elvis 2008
04-29-21, 20:34
I want to be like you one day, but I don't think I could ever handle 3 girls on a vacation. I didn't read older posts but I assume you had good experiences with all three before?I had seen them all before and at least twice before. One guy on here tried to get a woman to take a trip with him to Puerto Vallarta and had no luck. I have had so many women flake before or even the day they are supposed to get on the plane. I read a guy on another form call that a Lucy. The woman like Lucy of Charlie Brown tells you that she is looking forward to the trip so much and then like Lucy pulls the football away at the last minute, these women cancel at the last second, and you cannot get someone else. I fucking hate Lucy types.

I compensated once by inviting two women once after a different one cancelled and both showed up and competed to see who could suck the most money out of me. That was awful. You have to meet the women before the trip and ideally have them know one another before the trip as well. Having three hot women on a trip without drama was a minor miracle. It helped that Flo was in her early 30's and kept the younger women in line.


I had such a good time with my first trip to MTY and first time using SA. Now I am wondering in it can work here in the USA. The problem is I don't think I can afford $500 per session. Keep posting!I have seen what LE is doing in the USA and I would not sleep with an American woman now unless I paid for a criminal background check which is not that expensive. I think you can get them done for like $20. Prostitution seemed to be the one area women were treated worse in the legal system than men. No longer. I can see hookers being used too easily as confidential informants to get men. CIS can do or say almost anything and get away with it. You get a record of a woman arrested but with no charges listed and it is run Forrest run!

I see Deshaun Watson going through hell. Apparently, he would be getting a massage and put a woman's hand on his dick. I have done that at strip clubs and massage parlors (where I thought that kind of thing happened) dozens of times. I think there was a time or two I may have done that in a massage parlor and the women said they did not play like this or told me they wished they could have but they would get in trouble. At strip clubs, I have had women get offended at that act. Hell, I have been offended when women grabbed my dick when I did not want them to.

Thing is that never was a criminal matter and now it may be. Other guys will make up stories in their mind where what happened to DW could not happen to them, but in my mind, I see if people are going after DW, they would have no problem going after me. I am different than most guys here because of that. I also have not gotten in trouble in the USA either because of that concern that some have called paranoia.

In the USA, no matter how stupid a charge of rape is, the police feel pressure to investigate. In Mexico, I have been told the police mostly will not investigate rape no matter how serious it is.

I am not rendering moral judgments here but how I feel with regards to safety from LE in the mongering world, and overall I feel way safer mongering in Mexico / Latin America than the USA. Everybody has to assess risk and benefit in their own lives. For me, the cost and risk of most mongering in the USA sex prison is not worth the benefit at least for now. LE used to leave mongers alone because we were involved in a victimless crime, but IMO they are not doing that now.

Steve 9696
04-30-21, 01:42
I'm guessing the roommate is a guy or not very attractive. I once met a very pretty, slim Viet girl and her chubby friend in a bar in Vietnam. They wanted to go karaoke which was very cheap for drinking and singing at that time. A comfortable room with a karaoke machine, large TV screen and a faux leather sofa. Servers would bring you cheap drinks and snacks. (Ahhh, those days when a few bucks bought booze, entertainment and a hot chick.).

Anyways, the chubby Viet girl is rubbing my crotch and she's got that giddy look like "I'm going to get fucked. I'm going to get fucked. " I kiss the pretty one to make sure my intentions are clear. No worries they're both all over me. So time to go back to my GF friendly hotel. I wasn't sure if you could instruct the servers to leave you own and get down on the sofa. I didn't think so. I think kissing and groping is the extent of it. Of course, some Viet karaoke joints have a stable of pretty girls who will sing and drink with you. Kind of odd for we Americans, but fun in it's own way.

The pretty one indicates that it's a package deal. The price was just about the going rate for one pick-up girl in town which I think was about $25-$30 at that time. You figure the pretty one brings the chubby one along for moral support and / or to help her get some action. I have to honestly say the action was incredible. The chubby one is sucking me off like a kid with her first popsicle. The same time I'm kissing the pretty one who really was a bit lethargic. When I fucked the pretty one, the chubby one was just kind of on the side touching and licking the two of us. When it came to fuck the chubby girl, I let her get on top and do her rodeo while I kept the pretty Viet's lips close to mine. The chubby one's energy and enthusiasm combined with the beauty of the pretty one somehow made it all come together.

All in all, it was much better than expected. I was happy. The two girls were very, very happy. They slept over and proceeded to start working on me in the morning. When I brought the two girls back that night, the desk clerk said I could have one girl with double room, but government law required a second perfunctory room for the second girl. No big deal. It was $15. I don't know if they were just trying to make an extra buck, but in a quasi-communist country it's very possible that was the regulation.

We ended our chance encounter with a nice breakfast. The girls were appreciative and liked being treated like royal concubines. We all exchanged hugs, kisses and emails, but I never made a return trip. You kind of wonder if they are still friends, mothers, etc. And do they talk about that night they tag-teamed the American guy and fondly laugh. Or perhaps, they can't remember exactly how many foreign guys they shagged together. We are all a blur in their memory.Great story and reminds me of one. Before we go there let me just say fat girls really do try harder! My first Seeking Date ever turned out to be a fat girl. But I just put on my big boy pants and went with the flow. And man. That girl could kiss and suck like a mother fucker. Great time. And such a sweetheart. She decorated my room with rose petals and candles the second night!

But back to Duos. This story is from after Valentina dumped me and I fucked ten girls to drown my sorrows. These were the final two. A last minute score.

For my final night I've decided even tho I love going dancing with Pam and having sex with an escort before or after, I really want the full package where the dancing LEADS TO the bedroom. So I start hitting Seeking Arrangement hard, actually starting in the Uber after I leave Pam. Right after I arrive at my hotel that night I hit upon a Colombian hottie but I don't hear back till she texts me back around 3 am.

I know this is a super risky move going to SA since it's hit or miss, compared to Diva Escorts, and it could be a fail at the dinner table or in the room but I want to take the risk to have the reward of a blowout final night. And (spoiler alert!) a blowout it is.

So I explore all the options (limited) but manage to engage Tana (the Colombiana) in a dialogue that leads to pay dirt. She agrees to see me for 350£ for 4-5 hrs of unrushed fun. Dinner dancing and room time. This seems high based on my SA experience to date, but my alternative had been Noleta at straight up Diva pricing of 450 for what would have to be a rushed 3 hours (or 600 for 4 hours yikes!) so I am Ok with her price.

Well the price turns out to be 1/2 off because she says it's her friends birthday and can she come too? At first I think she is trying to upsell me to 700 but she confirms no price change. A two for one deal. Two girls for four hours for 350 . Now THATS a deal (in London) OK baby, it's on!

And I would say we have a top 5 "full experience" kind of night. They both show up at VietFood (where I am repeating) and Tana is clearly a solid 9+. She's a little slim for me, but her face and hair are boner-producing perfection. OMG way prettier than her pics. And Liliana not as much. A 7 without her glasses and a six with them. But what a lovely sweet girl and she loves to dance. And way more affectionate than Tana holding hands and snuggling up against me at various points. They are a great team Tana brings the optics and Liliana brings the GFE. LOL.

We have a nice intro dinner where I teach them how to use chopsticks and they do quite well. I am a pretty good dinner companion and we fall into it effortlessly. Just three old friends having dinner. Great fun and great food. Honestly the best I've eaten in ten years.

We have a grand time at Bar Soho and GAY but we are now 2. 5 hours in and Tana suggests we go to the room, which is a good idea because we'll be 3 hours in by the time we reach the hotel. Possibly the highlight of the whole thing is the pedal cab ride home! (They have these bicycle powered rickshaws throughout Soho). We have cracked a bottle of wine and are drinking it from the bottle and they are cranking the Colombian tunes and singing along. Me as the creamy filling between the two hotties. OMG the funnest thing.

The sex is great but in a funny way. We're cuddling on the bed, Tana in just her thong (wow!) and Liliana fully clothed. I don't think much about this till later but that was odd for Liliana to stay clothed. She's got a slight baby pooch so she may not want to be naked with Tana the slim goddess right beside her. Who knows?

Well Tana starts to head for the BJ with condom in hand and I say no no no. She's kinda like indicating she must. But then she starts talking to Liliana in Spanish. Well maybe Tana is not down for BBBJ but Liliana the GFE Queen is! And she dives right in and She is the BBBJ specialist (fully clothed LOL) as Tana is the optics dancing now fully naked above me.

Eventually Tana fully engages for the sex part and it's quite great. She is soooo fucking beautiful and if you like slim, her body is a perfect ten. Looking at her eyes and smile while you fuck her in mish is legendary. And rare excellent pussy feel in all three positions did lazy dog rather than traditional. Oh and she added in some RCG and ACG for variety. In the end a BJHJ combo finish with Liliana strong on BLS (first of the week!) and Tana alternately kissing me deeply and just looking at me super sexy, enjoying me enjoying Lilianas excellent BBBJ (OWO). OMG did I say Tana was beautiful? That girl is dynamite.

A good 20 minute cuddle in a Liliana, Steve, Tana sandwich after climax. Sweet girls and 4 hours in total. I was completely and deeply satisfied.

Midwestern
05-03-21, 11:50
One of my former SBs texted me a few days ago.

Backstory: We started off as an affair two years ago. I will refer to her as the Skinny MILF. She's been married for over 20 years, and so she was very hungry for affection and sex. I obliged. We would meet regularly, sometimes twice a week, for hours of sex. Then we did not see each other for a year due to the pandemic, and during that time she and her husband were not able to work for over a year, and so now they are struggling financially. When she and I started seeing each other again last year, I told her that I would pay her family's rent every month, which was only $500 per month. I also gave her some extra money occasionally. However, I stopped seeing her in November, when I started getting serious with a new young hot SB, Maya. However, Maya dumped me in February, and for a variety of reasons, I was not able to meet up with the Skinny MILF.

So then, a few days ago, Skinny MILF texts me out of the blue and says that her husband is out of town. So the next day, I went to her place and banged her for two hours in her bedroom. She wanted to have lunch after we were done, but I had other stuff to do. She loves fucking the same way that I do, which is that I stick it in, and then we DFK nonstop. Even after two hours of nonstop fucking, she didn't want to stop fucking.

It's great fucking a girl that never wants to stop fucking. It's actually pretty rare in my experience.

Anyway, any of you guys bang a wife at her home when the husband was away?

DramaFree11
05-03-21, 13:08
One of my former SBs texted me a few days ago.

Backstory: We started off as an affair two years ago. I will refer to her as the Skinny MILF. She's been married for over 20 years, and so she was very hungry for affection and sex. I obliged. We would meet regularly, sometimes twice a week, for hours of sex. Then we did not see each other for a year due to the pandemic, and during that time she and her husband were not able to work for over a year, and so now they are struggling financially. When she and I started seeing each other again last year, I told her that I would pay her family's rent every month, which was only $500 per month. I also gave her some extra money occasionally. However, I stopped seeing her in November, when I started getting serious with a new young hot SB, Maya. However, Maya dumped me in February, and for a variety of reasons, I was not able to meet up with the Skinny MILF.

So then, a few days ago, Skinny MILF texts me out of the blue and says that her husband is out of town. So the next day, I went to her place and banged her for two hours in her bedroom. She wanted to have lunch after we were done, but I had other stuff to do. She loves fucking the same way that I do, which is that I stick it in, and then we DFK nonstop. Even after two hours of nonstop fucking, she didn't want to stop fucking.

It's great fucking a girl that never wants to stop fucking. It's actually pretty rare in my experience.

Anyway, any of you guys bang a wife at her home when the husband was away?Great job, I am glad you are joining the party.

AmericanPi
05-05-21, 05:53
Have a question that might seem kind of weird.

I signing up for my SA premium account. Is there a way to do this where I don't need to use my real phone number? Because I definitely want to verify the girls via video chat before I meet, but I don't want them having my real number. I considered using a burner number but then I don't want to turn off my WhatsApp and have it linked to a separate burner number just for SA. How you all doing this?

Also, you guys show your pics on the site or no? Problem not to?

SfoCowboy
05-05-21, 18:33
I maintain a separate burner phone. Just switch it on when I want to communicate. You need not post your real pics. You can hide the face.


Have a question that might seem kind of weird.

I signing up for my SA premium account. Is there a way to do this where I don't need to use my real phone number? Because I definitely want to verify the girls via video chat before I meet, but I don't want them having my real number. I considered using a burner number but then I don't want to turn off my WhatsApp and have it linked to a separate burner number just for SA. How you all doing this?

Also, you guys show your pics on the site or no? Problem not to?

AmericanPi
05-06-21, 02:36
Thanks for the reply. Can I ask, though, what app do you use? I have WhatsApp but if a girl wants to communicate on WhatsApp it's not like I can uninstall, re-install with a new burner number, and do that over and over. Do you just communicate in the burner app text messaging feature? What do you do for video call then?


I maintain a separate burner phone. Just switch it on when I want to communicate. You need not post your real pics. You can hide the face.

Midwestern
05-06-21, 05:40
Have a question that might seem kind of weird.

I signing up for my SA premium account. Is there a way to do this where I don't need to use my real phone number? Because I definitely want to verify the girls via video chat before I meet, but I don't want them having my real number. I considered using a burner number but then I don't want to turn off my WhatsApp and have it linked to a separate burner number just for SA. How you all doing this?

Also, you guys show your pics on the site or no? Problem not to?I use the Hushed app to call and text SA gals. I do not post my pics on the SA site. If a girl insists on seeing my face, I propose a quick meet and greet, and I let them pick the place, like a coffee shop within walking distance of their home, so it's easy for them. If they insist on a pic or they do not want to do a quick and easy meet and greet, then just move on to the next gal.

Midwestern
05-06-21, 12:56
For a while, using the Hushed app on my cell phone was working out well, but then I later downloaded another messenger app, I think it was WhatsApp, and suddenly I got these messages saying that my contact Susie, Wendy, Claire, etc. (names of SBs) are using WhatsApp. They got a similar message, saying "your contact Midwestern joined WhatsApp. " Eventually, several of my SBs found out my real name this way, and a few also found my LinkedIn page.

I have said this before, if an SB of average smarts wants to find out your true identity, then she can figure it out. Either you will mess up, or she will figure it out, or something else will give you away. One gal, after our brief meet and greet, where I used a fake name, found my LinkedIn page later that same night. I later asked her how she did it, and she said, "I am not dumb. It is easy to find people's real identities. ".

On a lot of hotels, your name appears on the TV screen!

But I too hunted down true identities of SBs, and I was able to find it every single time.

What's the moral of this story? Try your best to hide your identity, but be prepared if it is found out. And, do not lie. I lied to my SBs, and that came back to haunt me. So, for example, if you are married, then just admit it to the SBs.


I use the Hushed app to call and text SA gals. I do not post my pics on the SA site. If a girl insists on seeing my face, I propose a quick meet and greet, and I let them pick the place, like a coffee shop within walking distance of their home, so it's easy for them. If they insist on a pic or they do not want to do a quick and easy meet and greet, then just move on to the next gal.

DramaFree11
05-06-21, 13:31
For a while, using the Hushed app on my cell phone was working out well, but then I later downloaded another messenger app, I think it was WhatsApp, and suddenly I got these messages saying that my contact Susie, Wendy, Claire, etc. (names of SBs) are using WhatsApp. They got a similar message, saying "your contact Midwestern joined WhatsApp. " Eventually, several of my SBs found out my real name this way, and a few also found my LinkedIn page.

I have said this before, if an SB of average smarts wants to find out your true identity, then she can figure it out. Either you will mess up, or she will figure it out, or something else will give you away. One gal, after our brief meet and greet, where I used a fake name, found my LinkedIn page later that same night. I later asked her how she did it, and she said, "I am not dumb. It is easy to find people's real identities. ".

On a lot of hotels, your name appears on the TV screen!

But I too hunted down true identities of SBs, and I was able to find it every single time.

What's the moral of this story? Try your best to hide your identity, but be prepared if it is found out. And, do not lie. I lied to my SBs, and that came back to haunt me. So, for example, if you are married, then just admit it to the SBs.Usually, I agree with all your posts. I think on SA you should try and be as honest as possible, to prevent issues down the line. Most of the girls will research your identity regardless, so you will also miss out on a lot of girls. I am not married, so that is not an issue for me. You are totally correct, they can find out your identity very easily.

Steve 9696
05-06-21, 14:15
I use the Hushed app to call and text SA gals. I do not post my pics on the SA site. If a girl insists on seeing my face, I propose a quick meet and greet, and I let them pick the place, like a coffee shop within walking distance of their home, so it's easy for them. If they insist on a pic or they do not want to do a quick and easy meet and greet, then just move on to the next gal.I have no pics and have never had a problem. My profile explains that I am an exec and need to be very discreet and happy to provide by text. So if a girl asks I just reiterate I can text it and give my number. If she doesn't want to go offline then next. And of course I have a burner phone as any good girl-enthusiast should.

P.S. Midwestern is right — worst identity give away ever is the TV screen in your hotel room. I've never had a problem but very hard to avoid that (and I've several times left a girl sleeping in my room or left before she did — not saying that's a good idea!

DramaFree11
05-06-21, 15:09
I have no pics and have never had a problem. My profile explains that I am an exec and need to be very discreet and happy to provide by text. So if a girl asks I just reiterate I can text it and give my number. If she doesn't want to go offline then next. And of course I have a burner phone as any good girl-enthusiast should.

P.S. Midwestern is right worst identity give away ever is the TV screen in your hotel room. I've never had a problem but very hard to avoid that (and I've several times left a girl sleeping in my room or left before she did not saying that's a good idea!Great advice, this will prevent major issues down the road.

AmericanPi
05-06-21, 15:40
That's scary AF. That you could have an alternate temporary identity and it could be so easily pierced.

Just googled and found out its easy to stop this on WhatsApp. Just go into settings and stop contact sync on WhatsApp and it won't look for contacts and import them anymore.


For a while, using the Hushed app on my cell phone was working out well, but then I later downloaded another messenger app, I think it was WhatsApp, and suddenly I got these messages saying that my contact Susie, Wendy, Claire, etc. (names of SBs) are using WhatsApp. They got a similar message, saying "your contact Midwestern joined WhatsApp. " Eventually, several of my SBs found out my real name this way, and a few also found my LinkedIn page.

I have said this before, if an SB of average smarts wants to find out your true identity, then she can figure it out. Either you will mess up, or she will figure it out, or something else will give you away. One gal, after our brief meet and greet, where I used a fake name, found my LinkedIn page later that same night. I later asked her how she did it, and she said, "I am not dumb. It is easy to find people's real identities. ".

On a lot of hotels, your name appears on the TV screen!

But I too hunted down true identities of SBs, and I was able to find it every single time.

What's the moral of this story? Try your best to hide your identity, but be prepared if it is found out. And, do not lie. I lied to my SBs, and that came back to haunt me. So, for example, if you are married, then just admit it to the SBs.

SfoCowboy
05-06-21, 17:13
I use WhatsApp and telegram. I have a different sim and handset for the burner number. Never had to worry about other things.


Thanks for the reply. Can I ask, though, what app do you use? I have WhatsApp but if a girl wants to communicate on WhatsApp it's not like I can uninstall, re-install with a new burner number, and do that over and over. Do you just communicate in the burner app text messaging feature? What do you do for video call then?

Nounce
05-07-21, 00:18
Just googled and found out its easy to stop this on WhatsApp. Just go into settings and stop contact sync on WhatsApp and it won't look for contacts and import them anymore.That will be already too late. One needs to not allow it in the first place. The problem now is all you get are phone numbers in the chat. One needs a burner phone to solve the issue.

Midwestern
05-07-21, 02:33
This may be a stupid question, but what are the main reasons for using a burner phone? To avoid the police and getting busted? Or, to hide your identity from the gals? Or, something else?

I only have one phone. In the states, I use the Hushed app, which gives me an unregistered telephone number. In China, I use a "second" WeChat account, which is affiliated with an old unregistered telephone number. I use these apps exclusively to communicate with SBs, WGs, MP gals, agencies, and pimps.

As I mentioned earlier, I realize that apps can "talk" to each other, and so that would be one reason to use a burner phone, but are there other major reasons? To me, just having a second phone is already suspicious. I would have no good explanation for it. Thanks!

Nounce
05-07-21, 03:14
This may be a stupid question, but what are the main reasons for using a burner phone?Burner phone allows you to put your address book in a sandbox so to speak. You only have mongering contacts on this phone and you allow whatsapp to access it. You can disallow whatsapp to access your contact. The result is your chat sessions will be identified by phone numbers only, not names.

I think there are two things discussed here. One is to allow adding contact automatically, the other is to allow contacts access. I think the critical time is during install, one must read every question carefully before proceeding to not allow adding contact automatically.

I have multiple phones with me when I travel. It is more for backup purpose than anything else. I only carry the one I need and the one that I can lose going out. All my phones have US numbers so it does not makes much difference for a few hours.

Big Boss Man
05-07-21, 15:50
I saw in a gossip column that Matthew Perry got exposed by a nineteen year old publicity seeker model type. It looks as if it is not on android so I can't try it for myself.

Midwestern
05-08-21, 14:54
I saw in a gossip column that Matthew Perry got exposed by a nineteen year old publicity seeker model type. It looks as if it is not on android so I can't try it for myself.From what I understand, you have to be a big somebody to get on it. They only accept 8% of people trying to register. Plus, I do not think it is anonymous.

AmericanPi
05-08-21, 15:45
That will be already too late. One needs to not allow it in the first place. The problem now is all you get are phone numbers in the chat. One needs a burner phone to solve the issue.Very interesting. I was looking up this morning prepaid phones to keep a burner. Any prefs you have to quickly and cheaply have a phone on hand?

I also read it might be a possibility to just buy a second Sim card for your phone.

Midwestern
05-09-21, 01:45
Burner phone allows you to put your address book in a sandbox so to speak. You only have mongering contacts on this phone and you allow whatsapp to access it. You can disallow whatsapp to access your contact. The result is your chat sessions will be identified by phone numbers only, not names.

I think there are two things discussed here. One is to allow adding contact automatically, the other is to allow contacts access. I think the critical time is during install, one must read every question carefully before proceeding to not allow adding contact automatically.
Thanks, Nounce. Is this the only reason for a burner?

Midwestern
05-09-21, 01:51
Very interesting. I was looking up this morning prepaid phones to keep a burner. Any prefs you have to quickly and cheaply have a phone on hand?

I also read it might be a possibility to just buy a second Sim card for your phone.In many countries, you have to register SIM cards with your ID. I personally wouldn't engage in this hobby with a registered phone number. This is why I use Hushed which gives me a number without having to register it and why I use a WeChat that uses an old unregistered number. Of course, I realize this is not bullet proof. I'm pretty sure that Big Brother knows what I'm up too.

Steve 9696
05-09-21, 12:14
So putting the final details together for an upcoming trip and reflecting on the timing of the search and also the stark contrast in how some girls are really good at this versus the others.

Someone has suggested that starting your search 1-2 weeks ahead is about right. I can agree with that. But I can never abide by it — when I'm bored in the evening l, what do I do but search for girls at my upcoming visit city. Whether that is six weeks out or more. I started prob 6 weeks out this time and that is not optimal but at 4 weeks out I snagged two keepers. One of them flaked eventually and was replaced. And now in the last couple weeks I have the problem of over abundance.

What I mean by that is that the girlfriendy part of this is super important to me. And some girls are really good at it. And some just horrible. I am amazed at the girls that just give one word answers and don't converse. These girls get kicked straight to the curb no matter what they look like. And others are REALLY good at the girlfriend game — once engaged they check on me daily, how's my day, did I do anything fun, looking forward to seeing me. It's really great when it's ON.

This however makes it difficult to replace them with someone "better" who may arrive later in the game. Ultimately I've settled the first night on V who is top girlfriend material even though she is a shade off my type. But I had a 20 year old Brasileira come swooping in and replace R for night two. I felt bad kicking R to the curb after she’d been so nice. But had to do it. Just told her that work intervened and maybe next time. She was great about it (notice I didn't say my trip was cancelled because I want to leave the door open if someone flakes).

And now yet another cute Latina hottie has come in the scene. She was super quite to get down to $$ and pretty reasonable. She's not going to replace V or A that I am very invested in but a nice wildcard to have.

So the good and bad of starting very early is that provides great girlfriendy interactions on an ongoing basis but at the same time makes it harder to choose and harder to pop girls off the stack. First world problems!

SfoCowboy
05-09-21, 17:16
Having a second phone as a burner phone has its advantages -.

You can switch off whenever you want.

You can keep it in DND or silent mode.

You can download true caller with a different name and use it regularly.

You will always know who is calling or messaging you. Work or sugar baby.

Of course the cons are always there and it's up-to ones comfort.

Cheers!


This may be a stupid question, but what are the main reasons for using a burner phone? To avoid the police and getting busted? Or, to hide your identity from the gals? Or, something else?

I only have one phone. In the states, I use the Hushed app, which gives me an unregistered telephone number. In China, I use a "second" WeChat account, which is affiliated with an old unregistered telephone number. I use these apps exclusively to communicate with SBs, WGs, MP gals, agencies, and pimps.

As I mentioned earlier, I realize that apps can "talk" to each other, and so that would be one reason to use a burner phone, but are there other major reasons? To me, just having a second phone is already suspicious. I would have no good explanation for it. Thanks!

Nounce
05-09-21, 20:21
Thanks, Nounce. Is this the only reason for a burner?That is basically it, and maybe to keep the girls' pictures. I think for married man, it is probably a good idea too.

I can make it work without burner, but it is tedious to switch between contact accounts.

Nounce
05-09-21, 20:23
Very interesting. I was looking up this morning prepaid phones to keep a burner. Any prefs you have to quickly and cheaply have a phone on hand?

I also read it might be a possibility to just buy a second Sim card for your phone.I would just get a cheap phone from Amazon. The sim card is only for creating account. You don't need it once the account is created, and it does not even have to be on the same phone.

WyattEarp
05-10-21, 16:28
I also read it might be a possibility to just buy a second Sim card for your phone.I was also interested in whether anyone has experience with using dual sim card phones (eSIM, etc.) on the newer phones.

WyattEarp
05-10-21, 16:37
This however makes it difficult to replace them with someone "better" who may arrive later in the game...............

..........So the good and bad of starting very early is that provides great girlfriendy interactions on an ongoing basis but at the same time makes it harder to choose and harder to pop girls off the stack. First world problems!Seems like the same problem in a Brazilian boate except the boate (club) experience is condensed in time. You have a vibe going with the girl you are sitting with and having a conversation. A girl more your type (and hotter) walks by and smiles. You kind of have to make a snap judgement and convince yourself that the girl you are currently with will be a great experience.

And there's always next time. And always another girl!

Elvis 2008
05-10-21, 21:12
I was also interested in whether anyone has experience with using dual sim card phones (eSIM, etc.) on the newer phones.I tried it with two phones: Asus Zenfone, and it was a pain in the ass. Then I had a Huawei where it worked better but I did not have a slot for microSD.

All in all, you are better off using two phones. When I do video calls with my chicas, I have my primary phone and then a cheap Motorola G8 which has a great speaker. I use that to do translating. I think that phone cost me like $125. The Motorola has a google fi sim card in it, and google fi lets you have like an infinite amount of countries where you can use their plan like 200+. They only charge for what you use and the base is like $20 per month. You can buy a google fi SIM card at Best Buy or online.

Mexico is free of charge with T-mobile and that is what is in my other phone. I have a Google Pixel 4 A. Every chick wants an iphone but they quickly get that the Pixel shoots photos as good or better than most iphones and then they are asking to use my phone or asking me to take photos. My 4 A has 128 GB of memory and is a steal at $349.

When I go to Colombia, I pay for the international travel pack ahead of time. I think it is $30 for 10 days and $50 for 30 days. I have not used up that bandwidth with all my trips there. It is probably cheaper to get a SIM locally and activate it, but it also is a pain in the ass too. I have not done esims but I think the Pixel can do it.

I am not married and do not care as much about hiding, but as I am serious with the woman of my dreams now, I will block my other girls from texting me when I am with her. As soon as we commit to each other, which may be soon, I will be deleting many of my contacts.

I think I may be tearing up a little at the sight of my burning my virtual black book. LOL.

Nounce
05-11-21, 01:06
As soon as we commit to each other, which may be soon, I will be deleting many of my contacts.
Don't do that Sell it with your phone for more. LOL.

Gunners1
05-13-21, 10:57
Hello.

Need a bit of help guys.

I have been lucky to have hooked up with a Ukrainian SB for almost 2 years. I helped her get a proper job and now she is stable. Though she never really asked my any financial help once she got a job, she feels obliged she needs to help me and every opportunity. I now have a stable of 4 SB. One is a hot 22 yeard old Colombian laywer (fresh grad) , a Spanish teacher 24 y, a 23 y old pinay fitness and zumba trainer, and finally a 24 y old hair stylist.

Now I want to kick the Ukrainian to touch as I feel no chemistry with her and she has also aged considerably.

I tried a few times to tell her I am too tired to meet etc. But she doesn't seem to get it. How do I end it with her. So I can focus more on the next generation of SB.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards.

G.

Midwestern
05-13-21, 12:44
After two years, breaking up with her will be like breaking up with a GF, which can often be ugly, as you probably already know. Does she live in the same city as you? If not, then just start slowly ignoring her. If she lives in the same city as you, well, then I have nothing. You could tell her you have a new GF and so you can't see her anymore because you're not a cheater. This has worked best for me, but only with mistresses, SBs, and WGs.

But kudos to you on your stable! Can I ask your age? I am currently pursuing two gals that are both 21, and I'm getting nowhere with them. I'm mid 50's.


Hello.

Need a bit of help guys.

I have been lucky to have hooked up with a Ukrainian SB for almost 2 years. I helped her get a proper job and now she is stable. Though she never really asked my any financial help once she got a job, she feels obliged she needs to help me and every opportunity. I now have a stable of 4 SB. One is a hot 22 yeard old Colombian laywer (fresh grad) , a Spanish teacher 24 y, a 23 y old pinay fitness and zumba trainer, and finally a 24 y old hair stylist.

Now I want to kick the Ukrainian to touch as I feel no chemistry with her and she has also aged considerably.

I tried a few times to tell her I am too tired to meet etc. But she doesn't seem to get it. How do I end it with her. So I can focus more on the next generation of SB.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards.

G.

Gunners1
05-13-21, 15:05
She lives in the same city. That is an ouch feeling. To tell you the truth, I haven't paid her much. May be about 300 US in the 2 years. She was a bank customer service staff in Western Ukraine. She arrived in my country working for a social media marketing company doing corporate sales. And I met her and told her the deal. As she was desperate to get back into banking. She tried getting a bank job for more tnN 6 months and I got her a job at a leading bank in 1 week since meeting her. She was willing to do anything to pay me back. So it was always considered a free one for me. When ever I need to offload I just give her a buzz and she would come over and service me. Now I am bored of how easy I can do her that I want to move one. We men like to hunt. We don't like food served on a plate. We get bored often. She is off to Kiev to do a bit of work on her butt, lip and cheek. So I have time ow to switch off from her. That is the plan.

Well you ask about my age. I am 46. I wouldn't consider my self a hunk, but I treat them very well. I rarely pay them an allowance. I usually help them into them by getting them work. Or helping them with studies so they can get a proper job.

Example the fitness instructor. I paid for her course on nutrition and physical fitness. She got a huge pay hike and is now a sr. At the gym. The lawyer. I got her an intern job and one of my clients place. She will do anything for me. Especially during covid its so hard to get work.

That is my modus operandi.

It works.

G.


After two years, breaking up with her will be like breaking up with a GF, which can often be ugly, as you probably already know. Does she live in the same city as you? If not, then just start slowly ignoring her. If she lives in the same city as you, well, then I have nothing. You could tell her you have a new GF and so you can't see her anymore because you're not a cheater. This has worked best for me, but only with mistresses, SBs, and WGs.

But kudos to you on your stable! Can I ask your age? I am currently pursuing two gals that are both 21, and I'm getting nowhere with them. I'm mid 50's.

Akibono
05-13-21, 20:07
She lives in the same city. That is an ouch feeling. To tell you the truth, I haven't paid her much. May be about 300 US in the 2 years. She was a bank customer service staff in Western Ukraine. She arrived in my country working for a social media marketing company doing corporate sales. And I met her and told her the deal. As she was desperate to get back into banking. She tried getting a bank job for more tnN 6 months and I got her a job at a leading bank in 1 week since meeting her. She was willing to do anything to pay me back. So it was always considered a free one for me. When ever I need to offload I just give her a buzz and she would come over and service me. Now I am bored of how easy I can do her that I want to move one. We men like to hunt. We don't like food served on a plate. We get bored often. She is off to Kiev to do a bit of work on her butt, lip and cheek. So I have time ow to switch off from her. That is the plan.

Well you ask about my age. I am 46. I wouldn't consider my self a hunk, but I treat them very well. I rarely pay them an allowance. I usually help them into them by getting them work. Or helping them with studies so they can get a proper job.

Example the fitness instructor. I paid for her course on nutrition and physical fitness. She got a huge pay hike and is now a sr. At the gym. The lawyer. I got her an intern job and one of my clients place. She will do anything for me. Especially during covid its so hard to get work.Lying is so easy if you don't have a conscience. Just tell her your job forced you to move. That works unless your paths tend to cross.

Midwestern
05-15-21, 01:21
Last year, I got tired of one of my GF / SB. However, I never broke up with her. She would text me sometimes, and I would just say that I was busy.

Last month, while I was in a bit of a dry spell, she texted me out of the blue, and so we met up and had great sex. Since it had been a few months since the last time that I saw her, it felt like I was having sex with a new person, LOL.

So, why bother breaking up with anyone? Just do not see them when you do not feel like it, and if she ever finds out that you have other GFs and SBs, or if she gets tired of being ignored, then let her break up with you! Problem solved.

My philosophy is, never take an easy lay for granted, even if you get bored of it. Come to think of it, I probably have over a dozen GFs and SBs that I never broke up with. Many of these gals will still have sex with me, even if a year has lapsed since the last time I saw them. But if I broke up with them, then it may have been an ugly breakup and just as important I would also be eliminating an easy lay forever.


She lives in the same city. That is an ouch feeling. To tell you the truth, I haven't paid her much. May be about 300 US in the 2 years. She was a bank customer service staff in Western Ukraine. She arrived in my country working for a social media marketing company doing corporate sales. And I met her and told her the deal. As she was desperate to get back into banking. She tried getting a bank job for more tnN 6 months and I got her a job at a leading bank in 1 week since meeting her. She was willing to do anything to pay me back. So it was always considered a free one for me. When ever I need to offload I just give her a buzz and she would come over and service me. Now I am bored of how easy I can do her that I want to move one. We men like to hunt. We don't like food served on a plate. We get bored often. She is off to Kiev to do a bit of work on her butt, lip and cheek. So I have time ow to switch off from her. That is the plan.



G.

Elvis 2008
05-15-21, 02:15
Last year, I got tired of one of my GF / SB. However, I never broke up with her. She would text me sometimes, and I would just say that I was busy.

Last month, while I was in a bit of a dry spell, she texted me out of the blue, and so we met up and had great sex. Since it had been a few months since the last time that I saw her, it felt like I was having sex with a new person, LOL.

So, why bother breaking up with anyone? Just do not see them when you do not feel like it, and if she ever finds out that you have other GFs and SBs, or if she gets tired of being ignored, then let her break up with you! Problem solved.

My philosophy is, never take an easy lay for granted, even if you get bored of it. Come to think of it, I probably have over a dozen GFs and SBs that I never broke up with. Many of these gals will still have sex with me, even if a year has lapsed since the last time I saw them. But if I broke up with them, then it may have been an ugly breakup and just as important I would also be eliminating an easy lay forever.LOL. MW, it is fine if you do not want to break up with them. Thing is that getting back with a SB for anything more than sex is a disaster. Twice, I got back with two girls not just one time but twice. First girl was stunning. Great voice, great skin, great head, very vocal in bed, smart, and a lying ***** of a thief. I got back with her after she swore that she did not steal from me. So I got back with her, and the ***** stole me from me again!! Hell of a fuck though. It was almost worth it.

Other one entered a Facebook contest or something like that and won. She was hot too, charming, cheerleader kind of way, and tight, shit was she tight. She really liked me. We were out at this expensive resort and it was abandoned and we had a hot make out and grind session outside in the pool. Whew! She was really into it. Thing with her is that she was relentless when it came to getting money. There was no fucking off switch, and time after time, I would give in until I got pissed off and broke it off. When I got back with her the last time, I was like, "She is so pretty and nice, I was stupid to break up with her. " After that third time, I was like, "Now you remember? Elvis, you dumb ass."

So yeah, you do not have to break it off, and it is fine just banging an old flame, but giving a girl a second chance beyond casual sex has never worked for me.

Pessimist
05-15-21, 03:37
Last year, I got tired of one of my GF / SB. However, I never broke up with her. She would text me sometimes, and I would just say that I was busy.

Last month, while I was in a bit of a dry spell, she texted me out of the blue, and so we met up and had great sex. Since it had been a few months since the last time that I saw her, it felt like I was having sex with a new person, LOL.

So, why bother breaking up with anyone? Just do not see them when you do not feel like it, and if she ever finds out that you have other GFs and SBs, or if she gets tired of being ignored, then let her break up with you! Problem solved.

My philosophy is, never take an easy lay for granted, even if you get bored of it. Come to think of it, I probably have over a dozen GFs and SBs that I never broke up with. Many of these gals will still have sex with me, even if a year has lapsed since the last time I saw them. But if I broke up with them, then it may have been an ugly breakup and just as important I would also be eliminating an easy lay forever.Agree. For god's sake, it is a quasi business deal at best. You can't break up business relationship. What does that even mean? Unless the guy and girl fool themselves into believing they are in a real relationship; however, if such a thing happens, you are no longer paying for it and you know it is no longer a SD / SB deal. If some sort of financial compensation is exchanged and expected, it is a SD / SB deal and it is a deal which can broken at any time by one of the two parties, just as at will employment can be terminated by either the employer or employee with minimal notice.

Gunners1
05-15-21, 03:53
Great advice.

As there is hardly any cash transaction I will not formally break up. Will just go a bit slow on her.

Thanks a lot.

G.


Last year, I got tired of one of my GF / SB. However, I never broke up with her. She would text me sometimes, and I would just say that I was busy.

Last month, while I was in a bit of a dry spell, she texted me out of the blue, and so we met up and had great sex. Since it had been a few months since the last time that I saw her, it felt like I was having sex with a new person, LOL.

So, why bother breaking up with anyone? Just do not see them when you do not feel like it, and if she ever finds out that you have other GFs and SBs, or if she gets tired of being ignored, then let her break up with you! Problem solved.

My philosophy is, never take an easy lay for granted, even if you get bored of it. Come to think of it, I probably have over a dozen GFs and SBs that I never broke up with. Many of these gals will still have sex with me, even if a year has lapsed since the last time I saw them. But if I broke up with them, then it may have been an ugly breakup and just as important I would also be eliminating an easy lay forever.

MiamiBoy1
05-15-21, 06:51
How popular is SA in Rio? Or Tinder? Where do you find semi-pros or non-pros?

Population of Rio is almost 7 million, however pickings on SA are extra slim, no stunners. Most girls have not been active / online for days, does not make sense to even message them.

Not interested in hardcore pros or brothels / strip clubs, etc because I prefer regular dates that end at my apartment rather than "wham bam thank you ma'am" type of sessions.

Gfefan
05-15-21, 10:48
Since my last post here, I have spent the last 3 weeks on SA. Have shortlisted 3 in Belgium and 3 in Germany. Based on the advice here, I kind of focused on college verified and younger ones. While I'm yet to meet any of them (kind of taking it slow due to pandemic and other personal situations), one lady in particular has been exchanging lot of messages with me. She is 34 but is looking for some sort of arrangement. Does not seem like she is expecting financial support but she seems to be a nice person. Will see when I meet her and check chemistry. If there is chemistry, I would love to fuck her. However, she seems to be very curious and asks a lot of questions (most if which I dodge, currently).

Any thoughts on getting into something like that with a 34 Y. O? I'm sure if I take it further she will poke around even more and I intend to keep myself as insulated as possible.

Retgilpo
05-15-21, 18:35
So finally was able to do the SA week in Lisbon and it was a pretty successful one after all the very helpful pointers from the experienced guys in this thread. FR posted in the Lisbon thread if anyone is interested.Are there bars to meet hookers or street hookers. In Lisbon or any other place in Portugal.

I don't want to waste my time on dating cause I am old.

Just looking around to hot girls is already good for me.

Member #4703
05-16-21, 06:24
Are there bars to meet hookers or street hookers. In Lisbon or any other place in Portugal.

I don't want to waste my time on dating cause I am old.

Just looking around to hot girls is already good for me.Elifanto is the biggest strip club in Lisbon.

Midwestern
05-16-21, 08:13
I had a great time with gals in their 30's, 40's, and even in their 50's, yes, 50's, on SA. These older gals loved to fuck. And they were genuinely into me.

I met some college gals on SA, and after a while, I decided that I was not into that. And so eventually, I never talked to anyone under 24 on SA. But everyone is different, and everyone is looking for different things. But I really enjoyed the older gals on SA. And, for me at least, they were better for dating too, outside of the bedroom. Yes, these older gals do want to get to know you, so there is that. But I did not mind it.


Since my last post here, I have spent the last 3 weeks on SA. Have shortlisted 3 in Belgium and 3 in Germany. Based on the advice here, I kind of focused on college verified and younger ones. While I'm yet to meet any of them (kind of taking it slow due to pandemic and other personal situations), one lady in particular has been exchanging lot of messages with me. She is 34 but is looking for some sort of arrangement. Does not seem like she is expecting financial support but she seems to be a nice person. Will see when I meet her and check chemistry. If there is chemistry, I would love to fuck her. However, she seems to be very curious and asks a lot of questions (most if which I dodge, currently).

Any thoughts on getting into something like that with a 34 Y. O? I'm sure if I take it further she will poke around even more and I intend to keep myself as insulated as possible.

Gunners1
05-16-21, 10:05
I have had some very memorable experiences from older women. This was before SA. Her husband used to be a pilot and was hardly at home. She used to call me over when she needed to get off. I was in college those days and it was so much fun. She used to make some of the best burritos I have had. The best thing about older women is that they badly need the sex and are unable to find it from their partners.

The young ones at times come with heaps of attitude and excess baggage.

G.


I had a great time with gals in their 30's, 40's, and even in their 50's, yes, 50's, on SA. These older gals loved to fuck. And they were genuinely into me.

I met some college gals on SA, and after a while, I decided that I was not into that. And so eventually, I never talked to anyone under 24 on SA. But everyone is different, and everyone is looking for different things. But I really enjoyed the older gals on SA. And, for me at least, they were better for dating too, outside of the bedroom. Yes, these older gals do want to get to know you, so there is that. But I did not mind it.

DramaFree11
05-16-21, 20:54
So I think I will be moving to San Antonio next week, for a new business opportunity. Back on SA in San Antonio, what a difference from MTY. I have met 3 girls so far, one I sent packing. The other was nice but was completely tat. Up, from head to toe. I have no problem with the Tat. , but she was 20 pounds bigger then her pictures and had body odor. 3rd was ok, but I do not think she is interested. All 3 had serious baggage and substance abuse issue. Another issue these girls totally try and hide there bodies, in there pictures. Video Chat is a must in America, or you will be wasting you time. 3 days is in week, is not bad, it would have been more, but there was bad weather and this caused some cancelations and issues with my work as well. I will keep trying. I am in MTY now, life is good. 3 girls Saturday, the model girlfriend spent the night. Yes, Elvis this one might be better then all the other combined. As I have been saying I would totally commit to her. I need to see what happens in SA, the decision will be made Wednesday if I buy the new business.

San Antonio will be great, professionally, socially and even closer to MTY. Life is good. I love MTY, Tijuana and Moscow. Kiev / MDE suck.

Elvis 2008
05-16-21, 22:12
Any thoughts on getting into something like that with a 34 Y. O? I'm sure if I take it further she will poke around even more and I intend to keep myself as insulated as possible.This is unscientific but usually at that age if a woman is attractive, IMO she is going to stay attractive. For that reason, there are a lot more hot 20 somethings than 30 somethings but the women in their 30's IMO have a bigger sexual appetite.

The woman of my dreams is 32, and I have to add that my first year in the "real world" was 30. I had worked and had jobs but never run my own business, and that was a hell of an education to see how some people really are. I grew up more that year than any of my life.

Thing is that I do not like to go through that maturity phase with women. Women in their 20's typically do not respect the work it takes for us to have money whereas women in their 30's generally do. As such, the older women appreciate our generosity more in general.

The exception, and this is weird, but I am just going to say it, has been women who have been involved in the drug world. I am not advocating drug use by any means but women who have been in that world in their 20's do not have to be introduced to reality. They have lived it.

All in all, I prefer women in their 30's but the problem is that more often than not, age or having children has hurt them looks wise. But if you get a hottie at 34, you are in for a great ride. Honestly, the women in their 30's are better in bed and more passionate than those in their 20's in my experience.

Also, I am in my mid50's, and I have had so many women tell me that age is not important to them, but the women in their 20's do get shit from their friends if they are dating an older man. With women in their 30's, there is none of that from people she knows or from strangers.

WyattEarp
05-16-21, 23:42
This is unscientific but usually at that age if a woman is attractive, IMO she is going to stay attractive. For that reason, there are a lot more hot 20 somethings than 30 somethings but the women in their 30's IMO have a bigger sexual appetite.

All in all, I prefer women in their 30's but the problem is that more often than not, age or having children has hurt them looks wise. But if you get a hottie at 34, you are in for a great ride. Honestly, the women in their 30's are better in bed and more passionate than those in their 20's in my experience.Yes Elvis, a lot of sexy women under 25 can't carry that sex appeal into their 30's. Weight gain and child bearing stressing the body. I think you'll agree, shorter women generally suffer more physical decline. There's also cutie looks that don't really age well.

You're also right that thirtysomething women really get into bed with the idea of pleasuring their partners and enjoying themselves. I won't digress on why here. Too many young hotties take sex and their sexual partners for granted.

Drbombay
05-17-21, 07:42
I had a great time with gals in their 30's, 40's, and even in their 50's, yes, 50's, on SA. These older gals loved to fuck. And they were genuinely into me.

I met some college gals on SA, and after a while, I decided that I was not into that. And so eventually, I never talked to anyone under 24 on SA. But everyone is different, and everyone is looking for different things. But I really enjoyed the older gals on SA. And, for me at least, they were better for dating too, outside of the bedroom. Yes, these older gals do want to get to know you, so there is that. But I did not mind it.The thing about older women on SA is that they understand their "glory days" have passed and are looking at more for their long term stability. So they are less likely to just "trip out" and understand a man's got to do what a man does more easily than some younger ones. I've also found that some older women do really enjoy sex more, especially if they aren't worried about starting a family.

DramaFree11
05-17-21, 17:30
Back in the MTY and killing. I did have a couple of new girls scheduled, but they went dark. No problem, called one of the regulars and amazing sessions. Just got done with a session, Anal, Rimming, and everything else. She is a total Porno Star. Never says no. The model is scheduled for this afternoon. Meeting another hot girl at S. Prime this evening. Life is good.

San Antonio is much harder, but I am making slow progress, I knew it would be tough and lot of work, but Holly Shit some of the crap these girls try and pull with there fake pictures, it is just incredible. Video Chat or no go for me. I can afford to take my time, because I always have MTY. I imagine I will give on SA in San Antonio, but who knows, it is a challenge.

Steve 9696
05-17-21, 18:09
K ima just going to have to disagree on the age thing. I totally vibe with girls under 25, with 23 being almost the magic age over and over. And here's yet another 23 year old home run! BTW virtually all my early 20s home runs have nose rings fwiw. I consider it a tell now!

Been so excited about my first post Covid trip to a larger US city. Started surfing for SA girls about 6-8 weeks ago, just to have something to do and managed to snag one almost a month ago and another about two weeks out. Both were really nice about being girlfriendy and staying in touch, so I kicked others to the curb and set up M for night 1 and A for night two. The idea is to then repeat with the best on night 3 and possibly 4. I had a third Latina girl in backup in case of a fail and she was really sweet to agree I could be a last minute hookup, but I did not need her after all and let her down gently once I had sampled the other two.

M (23) is a 5-10 black girl, super slim with a very cute face. And wow what a body but I didn't know this going in, from her nondescript pics. Then there is A (20), who is a Brasileira with traditional Moreno look that I love, with the classic silky black hair. Both girls were great. But M was awesome and kinda just blew the doors off A and most other girls I've been with honestly.

M had been super girlfriendy by text -- literally checking in daily on how things were going and just light chit chat. I was really thinking she might be the one, so I scheduled her for night 1. We had agreed terms by text. She'the said she got 500 with her last Daddy and I didn't try to push her off that. But Instead said OK I'll do 500 date 1 but then 900 for two dates and 1200 if we have three dates. (500+400+300) She was good with this. (Later during pillow talk she let something slip that she mighta gone for 300 but damn she is worth every penny of four or five.).

We met up just two hours after I landed, at a pub with some great food. We ate in a circular booth, not quite side by side but more adjacent than across the table. The vibe at dinner was really good. Slightly awkward at first because she is so good at this game. She would just stare straight at me with intent interest! I am so used to girls being a bit shy or looking away, but not M! So it threw me off my game a bit. But we got to vibing and chatting and it got really easy quickly.

As we finished up dinner, I said want to get out of here and she said sure. OK. So far so good. As we walked towards the parking lot she asked where I was parked and she said she was over there. This was not my finest moment as I walked her to her car I didn't have a good flow going. We got there and turned face to face she's my height in heels and I just said "uhh, so do you want to continue?" Kinda awkward! But she says YES and plants a big kiss on me! And we rock on to the hotel, her following me.

In the room things go super easy. I don't have any wine but it doesn't seem to matter after we each have a bathroom break she is sitting legs sidewise on the bed looking expectant. So I oblige and join her and we start making out. She is a GREAT kisser and clearly loves to kiss. We shed her dress and her bra and I start to work her magnificent tits.

And they are MAGNIFICENT. Prior to M, Kendall in London held the sole crown of having the finest firm D cups on planet earth. And yet, here was M right before me, with truly world class tits -- I'd say a dead tie with Kendall and everyone else paling in comparison. Her Victoria's Secret bra says 32 DD, but they are notorious for making a girl feel good by overstating her assets. She later told me she's usually a 34 D. Super slim. Huge, amazing and firm rack.

And she loves to have them sucked hard and nipples licked. I was in heaven. Between that and the kissing she is a sloppy wet mess downstairs when I get there. Turns out she's a full Bush girl, which I haven't seen since Vietnamese girls but it's neatly trimmed enough. I do some DATY and she's ok with it but not going to orgasm. She has a beautiful pink pussy inside and the fingering is awesome, which she seems into.

After a while, I maneuver to my fave position. Her on her back or partially on her side. Me kneeling near her head. Fingers in her pussy. Dick in her mouth. OMG I looooove that. And she can suck dick. So long and slow with her thick lips. And with the wet pussy I am about to burst several times and have to stop her.

Eventually we suit up and a do a few different things but the mish is legendary. She's tall so we are face to face. We just make out non stop while I fuck her. So good. Deep, passionate kissing while fucking in mish is my top activity aside from a great BJ and I could do it almost forever. But finally I drop a load inside her and collapse.

During the break it's really nice pillow talk. She's a smart girl with a quick wit and it's just effortless to hang together. We prob chat for 30-40 minutes. After a quick bathroom break we start kissing again and it's on!

Round two I am always a bit floppy and she goes down to get me worked up. Well she's a magician and gets me going in no time. Back on my knees with wet pussy fingers and soft and slow BJ and I have to stop her several times again which is amazing because I'm never ready to cum in the first five minutes on round 2 . But I finally let her proceed fully and let loose a hot load in her mouth which she SWALLOWS without a word. Smiles and kisses me. Wow. What a girl! (as I've said before, SA rocks here -- no negotiation, no upsell -- I often get CIM with swallow and a smile. Sooooo awesome.).

So after this experience, I am sure that M is the repeat girl. One of the top girls I've found on Seeking. She's the whole package. Tall, lithe, and beautiful, with amazing firm the cups and a sopping wet pussy. Great in bed but most importantly a passionate full time kisser who truly enjoys herself. And finally she is smart, witty and a great girlfriend but totally knows the score.

But my Brasileira, A, is really nice too. And we had invested in a lot of chat and had a fixed dinner date and reservation and I really didn't want to let her down, so I proceeded with A for night two. Plus never hurts to have more girls in the harem.

When we had talked allowance A said we'the just figure it out when we meet. I have usually found this awkward but it worked OK. And I was thrilled to meet a Brasileira stateside who was not a mega gold digger. I figure if she hits me with a big figure at dinner, I will just part afterwards. But it didn't go that way thank goodness.

I sent an Uber for her as she does not drive. I met her just outside the restaurant as she was coming down the sidewalk from the Uber. Uau! To linda! (Wow so beautiful). Tight, short LBD and strappy white stripper heels. Really hot.

At dinner it was a little less of a flow as she is young, plus not a native English speaker and needs me to carry the conversation. She turns 21 the next day (and couldn't meet up on her birthday) but I manage to order wine for both of us without missing a beat. She squeals with delight when she takes her first sip. This kinda thing is so great about SA also -- introducing these young ladies to the world and its delights.

So pretty quickly two slightly awkward topics come up. One, she has a one year old kid at home, who she is checking on. And two she thinks I live local and we are here to set up something regular. The kid isn't a big deal but the second was a BIG disconnect. She clearly thought she was headed to setting up a regular income stream and instead finds a dude who just wants to bang her once or twice. Damn I felt horrible I got her out with the wrong expectations and we are just a one night thing. But it really was just a misunderstanding and frankly more her fault than mine.

Well after a few minutes of her seeming flustered and confused about what to do and me apologizing but saying I thought it was clear I am only there a day or two, she finally says it's ok and no problem. And sure enough, she compartmentalizes this and we never talk of it again. Great job on her part pivoting to the moment.

We have a nice enough dinner but it's a bit more FWB than sexy lovers. We talk about how she had to pay some guy $20 K to get her into the US. And shortly thereafter, another guy got her pregnant and ditched her. We talked about some of her prior SBs including a 70 year old guy, who was super sweet and I guy she sees who is loaded but fat and ugly and treats her like a doormat.

In general I get the feel that she's been treated badly by men and I feel really bad for her. She yearns for some true affection. She comments how much she loves that I check in on her daily. She's a sweet soul and deserves better than the lot in life she's been given (she cleans houses as her day job).

Not much pretense here as we wrap dinner and head to my car. She hops right in and off we go to the hotel.

The in room experience is just a bit off maybe too friendly and not romantic enough but I can't really complain -- she's kinda goofy, fun and beautiful. She gets her clothes off and hops under the covers saying it's cold (later I realize this was likely to hide her baby damage). I get naked and under as well. But rather than initiating sex she seems to want to cuddle. Again I feel a bit bad for her because she needs affection. So I play along nuzzling and stroking not knowing if this is somehow going sideways or not.

But after maybe 15 minutes of cuddling and nuzzling she swings her leg over and gets up in cowgirl naked junk and lady parts pressed against one another and starts grinding. She too has great tits and is super pretty so this gets the act started. Feeling her pussy, she is much wetter than I expected. She is ready to rumble! She asks if I have a condom and how I want to start. I say mish, but what no BJ? She giggles "oops I forgot!" she's a bit drunk on a glass and half of wine. And she goes down on me raw like one would hope. Pretty good BJ but we suit up pretty quickly after.

She's a good kisser and when we talk later about how I have had SBs who don't kiss she is mystified. Like how can you have sex without kissing? And I have to agree!

She is super loud and over the top with her moans. She is in fact a sloppy mess but I am not sure I believe her verbal histrionics. Nonetheless we try various things and end with her on her back at edge of bed and me standing and driving with her legs over shoulders. I do this a lot with Layla and it's quite good. So I drop a load inside her there. There is a bunch more cuddling and we both almost fall asleep -- but I know she needs to get back to her daughter. I feel like I gave her what she needed and vice versa.

Uber home is going to be $70 so I drove her and got to see what a dicey neighborhood she lives in. I would not feel safe there at night. On the way it was fun though, because I said let me practice my Portuguese and we had a conversation like I might with a girl I just met. She was very complimentary and said it was perfect, which made me feel good.

As she exited my car at her place, I gave her 400 in a card. Since we are chatting still by text, guess she was good with that. Honestly she mighta taken less but damn she has a rough life compared to me. I felt I definitely left her better than I found her. And I wouldn't mind seeing her again I had a lot of fun. But she can't compare to M.

Next up is night two with M which was truly epic. We went to a restaurant of her choosing which was really good. When she arrived in an LBD with black spikes. OMG statuesque does not even capture it. She looks amazing even in clothes!

Nice dinner but the main event is back in the room. We are now so comfy together. Flirty and fun. The kissing is epic. The pussy wet and wild. Those tits absolutely to die for. We get to joking how I don't enjoy cowgirl that much from a feel standpoint but the view of her with her the cups bouncing up and down and a big smile and perfect thin waist is so epic. She says that I get this "kid in a candy store" look. And she loves making me do it!

We do some 69 for the first time and it's super nice. I guess because she's 90% legs her torso isn't so long. So her pussy falls a bit short of my face. But this is great because I can lean forward and dive in with tongue or I can finger her and watch as my finger sinks inside. Wow. And of course the BJ is great also. Duh.

Lots of fucking and BJ and everything in between. After some great mish kissing I get close to the edge but we stop and let her finish bare by mouth. CIM and swallow of course. Yummy.

We have a TON of pillow talk and round 2 which is again BJ only and CIM swallow. Which is great because I'm beat. The cuddling and talk is amazing, even talking about our craziest sexual experience (me sex club, her being spit roasted which she loved. LOL) We spent a full 5 hours on this date, although she did decide to go home around midnight and we'the meet up again the next day.

Next day we met up for brunch and had some out of this world stuff at a place she knew (great having a local tour guide) and we spent some good time just hanging out and having a coffee in the park before going to the room. She looked hot AF again -- I mean she dressed in a form fitting peach dress and matching peach spikes for BRUNCH! What a girl. And come to find out she doesn't even have a bra on! What girl can rock the D cups without a bra? Those are some firm and perky tits man!

Much more of the same (two rounds and CIM swallow to finish both times) and a total of four hours on our last day! Wow. M is the total package. I definitely want to see her again and likely fly her with me somewhere so we can really hang out.

As you guys know SA is sifting thru large piles of bullshit to find the gems. And I found a sapphire in A and a diamond in M. Makes it totally worth all the rest. Totally.

DramaFree11
05-17-21, 19:53
K ima just going to have to disagree on the age thing. I totally vibe with girls under 25, with 23 being almost the magic age over and over. And here's yet another 23 year old home run! BTW virtually all my early 20s home runs have nose rings fwiw. I consider it a tell now!

Been so excited about my first post Covid trip to a larger US city. Started surfing for SA girls about 6-8 weeks ago, just to have something to do and managed to snag one almost a month ago and another about two weeks out. Both were really nice about being girlfriendy and staying in touch, so I kicked others to the curb and set up M for night 1 and A for night two. The idea is to then repeat with the best on night 3 and possibly 4. I had a third Latina girl in backup in case of a fail and she was really sweet to agree I could be a last minute hookup, but I did not need her after all and let her down gently once I had sampled the other two.

M (23) is a 5-10 black girl, super slim with a very cute face. And wow what a body but I didn't know this going in, from her nondescript pics. Then there is A (20), who is a Brasileira with traditional Moreno look that I love, with the classic silky black hair. Both girls were great. But M was awesome and kinda just blew the doors off A and most other girls I've been with honestly..I am so glad you are back in the game. You are so correct, about the b. S, but I am making slow progress with the girls in San Antonio. I find the Black girls, are the most dishonest when it comes to there pictures and profiles, but it is pretty bad in general compared to Moscow and Mexico. I just need to keep working.

Steve 9696
05-17-21, 23:39
I am so glad you are back in the game. You are so correct, about the b. S, but I am making slow progress with the girls in San Antonio. I find the Black girls, are the most dishonest when it comes to there pictures and profiles, but it is pretty bad in general compared to Moscow and Mexico. I just need to keep working.Dude you will surely find a winner. I set my search on 20-25 year old Latinas in San Antonio with a friends with benefits tag and got 10 cuties on line right now! OMG. That is target rich. I would die to have that selection. But you do have to be on every night. Some logon and grab a few contacts and it's a new crop next day.

Elvis 2008
05-18-21, 00:25
San Antonio is much harder, but I am making slow progress, I knew it would be tough and lot of work, but Holly Shit some of the crap these girls try and pull with there fake pictures, it is just incredible. Video Chat or no go for me. I can afford to take my time, because I always have MTY. I imagine I will give on SA in San Antonio, but who knows, it is a challenge.Oh, I know what is going to happen. LOL. I will never forget (I looked up the year) 2014 and the remark Charles Barkley made. San Antonio was playing Oklahoma City and you could tell CB wanted OKC for the NBA finals because the women are hotter in OKC than SA. CB worked for weight watchers then and he said after SA won the series, "Well, it is all right. Weight Watchers is going to make a ton of money in San Antonio. " It was funny watching E. Johnson and Kenny Smith doing all they could to hold in their laughter.

SA was better than I thought but more like a 2 than a 1 out of 10. Nah. JK. No, I would rate SA a 4 out of 10 for women. And MTY is an 8 or 9. Only cities I have been to that are better are Bogota, Sao Paulo. I think MTY is tied with CDMX and Buenos Aires.

Elvis 2008
05-18-21, 00:32
K ima just going to have to disagree on the age thing. I totally vibe with girls under 25, with 23 being almost the magic age over and over. And here's yet another 23 year old home run! BTW virtually all my early 20s home runs have nose rings fwiw. I consider it a tell now!.Great report Steve! I am glad you are catching a few.

Economically because of Covid, things are so fucked up now that I am not sure how women are going to be doing. On the one hand, hotel rooms are $300 in Abilene and yes a buddy of mine paid $600 for a room at La Quinta in Amarillo. On one hand, we have a housing shortage and people are having a hard time finding a good place to buy or rent. On the other, people cannot get evicted for not paying their rent so they are not paying but when they do have to, there is going to be a ton of homes on the market once the dead beat renters are tossed.

I would imagine that a lot of these non-paying women will have to find a source of money and soon. Maybe the reason Mexico has been so much better than the USA is they do not have government programs that allow people not to pay rent. I went to CDMX before Covid and did not have near the success I did later.

DramaFree11
05-18-21, 00:53
Dude you will surely find a winner. I set my search on 20-25 year old Latinas in San Antonio with a friends with benefits tag and got 10 cuties on line right now! OMG. That is target rich. I would die to have that selection. But you do have to be on every night. Some logon and grab a few contacts and it's a new crop next day.Yep, it is working slowly. The combination of San Antonio and MTY, is perfect. 2 days to closing on the new business. Hopefully everything goes smoothly, but the seller attorney is killing me. I need to stay calm and the opportunity is too good to pass up.

Midwestern
05-18-21, 10:19
I read every word and it was worth it. Congrats bro. M sounds like a keeper. You might have to return, just to see her.

DramaFree11
05-18-21, 17:14
Oh, I know what is going to happen. LOL. I will never forget (I looked up the year) 2014 and the remark Charles Barkley made. San Antonio was playing Oklahoma City and you could tell CB wanted OKC for the NBA finals because the women are hotter in OKC than SA. CB worked for weight watchers then and he said after SA won the series, "Well, it is all right. Weight Watchers is going to make a ton of money in San Antonio. " It was funny watching E. Johnson and Kenny Smith doing all they could to hold in their laughter.

SA was better than I thought but more like a 2 than a 1 out of 10. Nah. JK. No, I would rate SA a 4 out of 10 for women. And MTY is an 8 or 9. Only cities I have been to that are better are Bogota, Sao Paulo. I think MTY is tied with CDMX and Buenos Aires.Yep, I know I have to lower my standards in SA, compared to MTY,(banging models in MTY. Hopefully I can get a reliable 6 or 7 in SA), but I can hold out. As you know killing in MTY.

You are so correct about lodging, I could not believe how crazy expensive it has gotten the states. I was wrong, I thought prices would go down, but it totally going the other way. You forgot to mention car rentals, they have doubled is price or more, totally insane.

WyattEarp
05-18-21, 17:33
Economically because of Covid, things are so fucked up now that I am not sure how women are going to be doing. On the one hand, hotel rooms are $300 in Abilene and yes a buddy of mine paid $600 for a room at La Quinta in Amarillo. On one hand, we have a housing shortage and people are having a hard time finding a good place to buy or rent. On the other, people cannot get evicted for not paying their rent so they are not paying but when they do have to, there is going to be a ton of homes on the market once the dead beat renters are tossed.

I would imagine that a lot of these non-paying women will have to find a source of money and soon. Maybe the reason Mexico has been so much better than the USA is they do not have government programs that allow people not to pay rent. I went to CDMX before Covid and did not have near the success I did later.Yes Elvis, the USA Housing market is fucked up. The Fed's pumping in cheap money available to qualified borrowers who drive up prices. There are supposedly a load of foreclosures and evictions being forestalled. I'm not trying to make this a political point, but I would say it's a K shaped recovery so far. I don't know how it will all shake out, but I am optimistic we get through this quickly.

WyattEarp
05-18-21, 17:54
K ima just going to have to disagree on the age thing. I totally vibe with girls under 25, with 23 being almost the magic age over and over. And here's yet another 23 year old home run! BTW virtually all my early 20s home runs have nose rings fwiw. I consider it a tell now!I wonder if the 20 somethings versus 30 somethings might shake out differently when comparing "civilian dating" (for lack of a better term). I've generally found 30 somethings more sexual. 20 somethings would give me the "I've been told I give great blowjobs". Actually many were terrible. Who's going to tell some hot, girl who's sucking their cock "you're not doing a good job". Anyway, it could be dangerous to criticize a girl who had your cock in her mouth. LOL.

Of course, this is all anecdotal. When I was still able to civilian date twentysomethings, I would come across young women who was a free spirit sexually. Later in my life, the fact that I was twenty years older seemed to excite some of these young free spirits.

Steve, I am very impressed with your post about the tall, black girl. It's possible SA girls are more free spirited than the random girl. You also put in a clever incentive structure out front for this girl. More SA dates if things go well the first night. Every girl should understand that, but you put it out there in detail.

Steve 9696
05-18-21, 20:49
Yep, I know I have to lower my standards in SA, compared to MTY,(banging models in MTY. Hopefully I can get a reliable 6 or 7 in SA), but I can hold out. As you know killing in MTY.

You are so correct about lodging, I could not believe how crazy expensive it has gotten the states. I was wrong, I thought prices would go down, but it totally going the other way. You forgot to mention car rentals, they have doubled is price or more, totally insane.I musta saved $1000 this year with this little known back door. You go on Hotwire and look at the deals. Note closely how many stars including half stars. Note the rating — like 4. 3 or 4. 4 or whatever. Note also the distance from location.

These things are like a little digital finger print. Then scan down the page and find the hotel that matches that digital fingerprint. You may have to limit your search to a smaller area using the map to ensure uniqueness. But I've saved a ton off high end props like Westin Hilton and Hyatt using this little trick. I 100% get the hotel I expected and save between $40 and $100 a night.

LeoBawBaw
05-18-21, 21:37
I musta saved $1000 this year with this little known back door. You go on Hotwire and look at the deals. Note closely how many stars including half stars. Note the rating like 4. 3 or 4. 4 or whatever. Note also the distance from location.+1 I too vouch for Hotwire, its super neat. They'll provide you with the 'potential hotel' you'll get once you pay (they are classified by the number of starts like Steve wrote), once you do no matter which hotel you got the payment is not refundable- keep that in mind. Overall great way of saving money.

Steve 9696
05-19-21, 01:02
+1 I too vouch for Hotwire, its super neat. They'll provide you with the 'potential hotel' you'll get once you pay (they are classified by the number of starts like Steve wrote), once you do no matter which hotel you got the payment is not refundable- keep that in mind. Overall great way of saving money.I just want to be clear. I'm not talking about getting one of a few potential hotels like traditional Hotwire. I'm talking about getting an exact SPECIFIC hotel at a high discount using the method I gave below. For example give me a city and I will tell you exactly WHICH 3 star hotel you will get for $149 for example. It's worked every time and in different cities. I think they know this loophole exists but don't talk about it.

WyattEarp
05-19-21, 15:59
I musta saved $1000 this year with this little known back door. You go on Hotwire and look at the deals. Note closely how many stars including half stars. Note the rating like 4. 3 or 4. 4 or whatever. Note also the distance from location.

These things are like a little digital finger print. Then scan down the page and find the hotel that matches that digital fingerprint. You may have to limit your search to a smaller area using the map to ensure uniqueness. But I've saved a ton off high end props like Westin Hilton and Hyatt using this little trick. I 100% get the hotel I expected and save between $40 and $100 a night.I'm not sure I follow. How do you shrink the map area to ensure uniqueness?. I thought Hotwire has designated zones in cities. I also find that in tourist or downtown areas there are a lot of similar hotels.

I apply other tricks. I usually get what I want by reading betterbidding.com and other sites. It takes a few minutes of studying the rating and the amenities. Based on this, Betterbidding has an idea which hotels are actively filling rooms via Hotwire. If you are lucky, someone will have posted that they got this incredible deal this morning and they will describe the Hotwire listing. These can be deals when a hotel is trying to fill up closer to the date. They might only last a morning or afternoon.

Car rentals will be a pain in the ass until car rental companies build back their pre-COVID inventories.

Steve 9696
05-19-21, 18:35
I'm not sure I follow. How do you shrink the map area to ensure uniqueness?. I thought Hotwire has designated zones in cities. I also find that in tourist or downtown areas there are a lot of similar hotels.

I apply other tricks. I usually get what I want by reading betterbidding.com and other sites. It takes a few minutes of studying the rating and the amenities. Based on this, Betterbidding has an idea which hotels are actively filling rooms via Hotwire. If you are lucky, someone will have posted that they got this incredible deal this morning and they will describe the Hotwire listing. These can be deals when a hotel is trying to fill up closer to the date. They might only last a morning or afternoon.

Car rentals will be a pain in the ass until car rental companies build back their pre-COVID inventories.Yes I mean using the zone to reduce the candidates. But then star rating, traveler rating, and distance from search (not always shown) give the fingerprint. Usually the first two are sufficient. Give me any city and I will do an example.

Luminous
05-20-21, 09:55
Do it for Atlanta. I am curious how it works.


Yes I mean using the zone to reduce the candidates. But then star rating, traveler rating, and distance from search (not always shown) give the fingerprint. Usually the first two are sufficient. Give me any city and I will do an example.