Seeking Arrangements

[Luminous]

Yes, the housing is on fire but I don't see evidence of large amount of foreclosures happening. Foreclosures happen all the time at a normal rate, but I don't see data that supports anything close to 2008. The banks have been very tight with their lending standards so most of the people that own houses will not end up in foreclosure. Some will, most won't. Recessions always come from places you don't expect them too.

And if the housing prices do go down. There are millions of investors waiting on the sidelines with billions of dollars to pounce on these deals so I don't see a significant price correction from current levels.

Even if you believe housing prices are crazy. Just remember this. Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.


Yes Elvis, the USA Housing market is fucked up. The Fed's pumping in cheap money available to qualified borrowers who drive up prices. There are supposedly a load of foreclosures and evictions being forestalled. I'm not trying to make this a political point, but I would say it's a K shaped recovery so far. I don't know how it will all shake out, but I am optimistic we get through this quickly.

[Luminous]

I have been trying SA in US for the past few weeks and I have to say it's a nightmare so far. I saw a report from Steve where he had great luck. But my experience so far has not been good.

Chicks that look terrible somehow feel they are worth 400-500 because one time someone payed them that much. I have had some of them ask for 800. Can have a date with them once or twice at 400-500 but seems too high for a regular basis. I feel most of the chicks ready some BS article online about how much SB's are getting paid and expect the same amount forgetting you have to factor in how you look and other variables.

Had this one chick who wanted money just for talking because apparently she has a friend with a SD in upstate New York that has never seen her but sends her money week. So not this one is trying to find one like that too.

Then there are ones that are just trying to get a feel but haven't made up their mind. Waste of time.

Any tips / tricks you guys can share to make the experience better?

[WyattEarp]

Yes, the housing is on fire but I don't see evidence of large amount of foreclosures happening. Foreclosures happen all the time at a normal rate, but I don't see data that supports anything close to 2008. The banks have been very tight with their lending standards so most of the people that own houses will not end up in foreclosure. Some will, most won't. Recessions always come from places you don't expect them too.

And if the housing prices do go down. There are millions of investors waiting on the sidelines with billions of dollars to pounce on these deals so I don't see a significant price correction from current levels.

Even if you believe housing prices are crazy. Just remember this. Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent.It's hard to say where we are at with foreclosures. Many homeowners were able to use COVID hardship forbearance plans to pause payments during the COVID crisis. There are more nonpaying mortgages than anytime since the Great Crash. Of course, that would be expected.

I agree markets can stay irrational a long time. As they say in stock investing, "Don't fight the Fed. " The Feds prop up the housing market as the USA Financial system is to a large degree dependent on the housing market.

[Elvis 2008]

Any tips / tricks you guys can share to make the experience better?Yeah, grab a passport and get the hell out of the USA sex prison.

Sorry, if that is obvious, but I cannot support these selfish American wenches.

I went to a strip club in my area for the first time in forever. This past year, I was in Tijuana at Hong Kong doing a 10 on a bed for $100. At La Isla in Medellin, it was $80 again in a decent room with a bed. These Cuban wenches, maybe a 7 and a 8, wanted $400 a piece to have sex on a crummy fake leather covered stall, and they would not go down which told me guys are paying it. I passed.

[Elvis 2008]

Luminous. The biggest pain in traveling was coming back through American customs. I hated that and being questioned up and down.

Best thing I did was get a Global Entry card which is a $100 and includes TSA precheck. Typically now, I rush through customs, half the time it is less than a minute and all the time is less than five minutes, and all that 3rd degree bullshit is now gone.

I am in Cancun now with my novia, and I got through customs here in one minute. So flying abroad which was such a big deal is not now. You may want to go with a wingman if you are nervous a first time but with google translate on your phone and global entry, hunting for pussy in the Latin America is easier now than it has ever been.

Everyone is afraid of crime but if you stay in the US based hotel chains, it feels the same as the USA and you are 100 X more likely to get ripped off by an American wench that robbed here.

[Dick Milhous]

I have been trying SA in US for the past few weeks and I have to say it's a nightmare so far.

Chicks that look terrible somehow feel they are worth 400-500 because one time someone payed them that much. I have had some of them ask for 800.

Any tips / tricks you guys can share to make the experience better?I got memberships for both SA and AfroIntroductions about 3 months ago, around the same time. My residence is in the midwest. I started looking at prospects in my area compared to funding a few trips to Tanzania (TZ) where covid restrictions are / were light and ebony squeeze could be had for a song. I'm wrapping up my 2nd trip to TZ presently and what a joy it has been. Dating in America? Lmao, agreed, a bad nightmare.

[Akibono]

It's hard to say where we are at with foreclosures. Many homeowners were able to use COVID hardship forbearance plans to pause payments during the COVID crisis. There are more nonpaying mortgages than anytime since the Great Crash. Of course, that would be expected.

I agree markets can stay irrational a long time. As they say in stock investing, "Don't fight the Fed. " The Feds prop up the housing market as the USA Financial system is to a large degree dependent on the housing market.Just like in 2005, foreclosures are not an issue because we have a booming market. Anyone who can't afford a mortgage can just sell their homes for a profit. The people who overpaid a decade ago have already been washes out.

[Akibono]

Luminous. The biggest pain in traveling was coming back through American customs. I hated that and being questioned up and down.

Best thing I did was get a Global Entry card which is a $100 and includes TSA precheck. Typically now, I rush through customs, half the time it is less than a minute and all the time is less than five minutes, and all that 3rd degree bullshit is now gone.

I am in Cancun now with my novia, and I got through customs here in one minute. So flying abroad which was such a big deal is not now. You may want to go with a wingman if you are nervous a first time but with google translate on your phone and global entry, hunting for pussy in the Latin America is easier now than it has ever been.

Everyone is afraid of crime but if you stay in the US based hotel chains, it feels the same as the USA and you are 100 X more likely to get ripped off by an American wench that robbed here.How big is language an issue? I can probable work around hotels and restaurants, but what about the girls.

[Steve 9696]

Atlanta is tougher than other cities because there are fewer non HOT DEALs listed. But here is an example where the stats of the deal exactly match the Omni. You can take the deal and get the Omni for sure.

Often it will show miles from search and number of Expedia reviews which is even more exact match.Once it said here is a pic of the actual hotel room. Usually u can't tell one from the other. In the pic tho the TV had a Hilton welcome screen. Duh and sure enough I got the Hilton. LOL.

[AmericanPi]

How big is language an issue? I can probable work around hotels and restaurants, but what about the girls.Language is in a way a negotiation of power. I mean it's obv better if you can get around in the local language but if you don't speak it you don't speak it. Beyond that, it's a matter who needs / wants the other more.

If a girls wants and needs your attention and money, she will put up with the discomfort of just hammering through those awkward Google translate conversations. A middle class hot girl with other options probably won't, but the one who really needs your 300 bucks probably will. And you'll deal with it for a girl out of your league otherwise, but it'll just be a means to an end. A girl 2 points lower on the looks scale would be preferable if you needed to spend time with her if she spoke your language.

[Elvis 2008]

How big is language an issue? I can probable work around hotels and restaurants, but what about the girls.Most Mexican girls speak some English. However, I have been using google translate and as long as you have a good signal on your phone and are in a quiet place, you can converse with it quite normally. Google Translate has opened up a whole new world to me. They say the internet grew due to demand for porn. I wonder if the pursuit of pussy will change the way we communicate with each other. I have been so excited getting pussy I did not realize how revolutionary what I was doing truly was.

Microsoft has a free translator program too but it is not as good.

But it changed everything with me and pursuit of Latina pussy.

[Midwestern]

When I was active on SA in the USA, I spent around 20 hours per week on it. You cannot zero in on only a few that you like. It is a numbers game. Every day, I would reach out to about two or three dozen gals, and then wait to see if I get any positive responses, and then follow up on those. Over an 18 month period, I hooked up with about 23-25 gals. So, on average, each month, I spent around 100 hours on the SA site, and I would hook up with 1 or 2 gals. Was it worth it? Well, I enjoyed the game. For the most part, I thought it was pretty exciting and fun. If being on the site by itself is a chore and a grind, then it may not be worth it. And I hooked up with some great gals. So, I would say that it was worth it for me. But it is a lot of time! That's for sure. Even Steve will say that SA in the USA takes a lot of time. BTW, the rates depends on where you are. There's been a lot of good intel on this forum about pricing in different places. Good luck!


I have been trying SA in US for the past few weeks and I have to say it's a nightmare so far. I saw a report from Steve where he had great luck. But my experience so far has not been good.

Chicks that look terrible somehow feel they are worth 400-500 because one time someone payed them that much. I have had some of them ask for 800. Can have a date with them once or twice at 400-500 but seems too high for a regular basis. I feel most of the chicks ready some BS article online about how much SB's are getting paid and expect the same amount forgetting you have to factor in how you look and other variables.

Had this one chick who wanted money just for talking because apparently she has a friend with a SD in upstate New York that has never seen her but sends her money week. So not this one is trying to find one like that too.

Then there are ones that are just trying to get a feel but haven't made up their mind. Waste of time.

Any tips / tricks you guys can share to make the experience better?

[DonCarlos1234]

Yeah, grab a passport and get the hell out of the USA sex prison.

Sorry, if that is obvious, but I cannot support these selfish American wenches.

I went to a strip club in my area for the first time in forever. This past year, I was in Tijuana at Hong Kong doing a 10 on a bed for $100. At La Isla in Medellin, it was $80 again in a decent room with a bed. These Cuban wenches, maybe a 7 and a 8, wanted $400 a piece to have sex on a crummy fake leather covered stall, and they would not go down which told me guys are paying it. I passed./ quote].

You know we are so lucky. I will PM you the details after this weekend. Going to HKTJ out of boredom. Because it will be July 10 before I land in Medellin. In my stupidity I asked a SA girlfriend in Bogota what other girls are charging currently. She says, WHAT! No, I don't care what other girls charge. And silence till I asked, what about You & I have dinner then 4-5 hours in the room with benefits. She replied 600,000 COP She's a 10. BBBJ doesn't even need to ask. Gorgeous. I can hardly wait to leave Medellin. And she also said there have been NO customers for her. Only trolls. This makes no sense to me.

[Pessimist]

I have been trying SA in US for the past few weeks and I have to say it's a nightmare so far. I saw a report from Steve where he had great luck. But my experience so far has not been good.

Chicks that look terrible somehow feel they are worth 400-500 because one time someone payed them that much. I have had some of them ask for 800. Can have a date with them once or twice at 400-500 but seems too high for a regular basis. I feel most of the chicks ready some BS article online about how much SB's are getting paid and expect the same amount forgetting you have to factor in how you look and other variables.

Had this one chick who wanted money just for talking because apparently she has a friend with a SD in upstate New York that has never seen her but sends her money week. So not this one is trying to find one like that too.

Then there are ones that are just trying to get a feel but haven't made up their mind. Waste of time.

Any tips / tricks you guys can share to make the experience better?Depends on the location. I have been on SA since early 2016 I think. Since Covid struck, I'm staying away but I was active for 4 years. 400+ is high for most cities, except a few on the coasts. I can't say if attitudes have changed in the past year. These days our government is giving away a lot of easy money and many employees are staying home. Perhaps that same thinking has seeped into SA girls. But otherwise, no, you should have plenty of success for less than 400 in normal times in a vast majority of this country. That said, if you think you will flash your see notes and girls will open their legs, well think again. Around here, it takes time and patience. This message has been drilled into these pages many times and is fairly intuitive but for some reason, guys keep forgetting the time factor.

[Luminous]

That was very helpful, now I understand what you meant.


Atlanta is tougher than other cities because there are fewer non HOT DEALs listed. But here is an example where the stats of the deal exactly match the Omni. You can take the deal and get the Omni for sure.

Often it will show miles from search and number of Expedia reviews which is even more exact match.Once it said here is a pic of the actual hotel room. Usually u can't tell one from the other. In the pic tho the TV had a Hilton welcome screen. Duh and sure enough I got the Hilton. LOL.

[BrizLad]

I kicked off a paid membership again here on Australia. Last time was about 6 months ago. Paid my money on a Thursday afternoon and was fucking a former beauty queen the following day. Pretty happy with that.

The experience was a lot different from my previous times. Currently, Australia has strong border controls which is limiting the traditional intake of foreign students and for the local girls they cannot take their overseas holidays. Unemployment has stayed under control here but there are many hospitality workers feeling the pinch. All of these factors are feeding a good supply of girls to the site.

The first week of my activity was the busiest. Whether SA optimize the experience or the girls reply to the new blood guy on the site.

Of course there are the dreamers and unrealistic offers. But in amongst the noise there are some very nice girls.

My beauty queen.

She has gained a little weight for her catwalk days. But she has deportment, preparation and of course looks good in heels. She can host me each week so a very good option.

Marketing manager.

A local medium sized business where she has a professional job. Met her for a breakfast before work. Nice corporate outfit. Called me about 10 pm that same night and invited me over for a hug. Turned into a freebie CIM BBBJ. A keeper but can only host at night.

Bisexual wife.

A lady in a same sex marriage hunting for her share of cock. Supper nice attractive woman but a bit the setup is too complex for me.

Recently separate Filipina.

Alone form her family and recently separated from her partner. Nice girl. I've offered to host. I've accepted her asking price at the higher end of my budget range. She seems to be active on the site. Not sure if she's just happy playing and not getting the money shots. I don't know.

Assistant manager.

This one works night and is free in the day. A vibrant overachiever. Got along so well over coffee meeting. We have both agreed to move into an arrangement. Just taking time to schedule with her job.

Single mum.

Of course most of the site here is single mums. This one is a little different. Doesn't seem to be jaded by men. Starting with a coffee date soon but she is hard to get commitment. Has cancelled once already. Will now for sure next Monday.

Overall there are many opportunities that are ready to start.

From the girls point of view they say there are lots of creeps, fuck wits and time wasters.

Seems life flies on.

Brizlad.

[WyattEarp]

I kicked off a paid membership again here on Australia. Last time was about 6 months ago. Paid my money on a Thursday afternoon and was fucking a former beauty queen the following day. Pretty happy with that..............
Brizlad.Brizlad,

Are you in Brisbane? Besides the mongering scene, what is it like to live in Brisbane relative to Sydney and Melbourne?

[AmorPorFavor]

Has anybody used the Pinger app with an iphone for setting up a separate phone number to communicate with SB's?

[Midwestern]

Excellent report and it is awesome that you have been successful on SA so far. And yes, the girls also told me that there are a lot of creeps, fuck wits, and time wasters on SA. If a guy is none of these things, and patiently spends some time on SA, then he will get rewared on a regular basis.



From the girls point of view they say there are lots of creeps, fuck wits and time wasters.

Seems life flies on.

Brizlad.

[BrizLad]

Brizlad,

Are you in Brisbane? Besides the mongering scene, what is it like to live in Brisbane relative to Sydney and Melbourne?At this point in time.

Melbourne has been plagued by rolling lockdowns. The legal situation on parlours is not as flexible.

Sydney the P4 P scene is vibrant with a tolerate RNT scene that extends into FS. I had some great experiences when traveling to Syd on business before Covid. I will be there again I expect in the next few months.

Brisbane I have to do what I can. My aCNNctivities are a mix of SA and RNT. My local venues that I frequent will offer naked BBBJ with CIM for $150 on top of the shop fee. So AUD $210 gives a nice one hour. Girls that offer FS will ask $200 tip.

After I wrote my report last night I had a great offer of one girl $350 overnight. She had no other offers and I guess she is the example of the ones that reward the patience. She knows she will go hone richer and have been a professionally fucked for the night.

Local Brisbane Mongers with a current membership are welcome to message me and swap notes on SA opportunities.

Cheers.

Brizlad.

[Elvis 2008]

I just want to be clear. I'm not talking about getting one of a few potential hotels like traditional Hotwire. I'm talking about getting an exact SPECIFIC hotel at a high discount using the method I gave below. For example give me a city and I will tell you exactly WHICH 3 star hotel you will get for $149 for example. It's worked every time and in different cities. I think they know this loophole exists but don't talk about it.Yeah, Steve, I have used the hotwire tip. Ironically, on a computer, hotwire says that you will get one of these three hotels and with the mobile app, they narrow it to two choices.

I will go to hotels.com and use the clues in hotwire (distance to certain sites) to determine which hotel I will get and as you said, Steve, it is easy to find which hotel hotwire refers to. I also like hotwire for rental cars. Well, I did before rental car prices went crazy. There is some kind of car share program, kind of like Airbnb but with cars not homes. I wonder if any one here has tried that and if the prices are sane.

Other tips include going to Tripadvisor.com once you find the hotel you want. Trip advisor will list like a dozen or so hotel sites on its page and sometimes you will have one hotel website that reduces the price up to 30 to 50%. So I will often use hotels.com to find the hotel I want then go to Trip Advisor and see if it is offered cheaper on another website and often it is. The savings has been huge. I booked the Cancun Intercontinental for $100 a night on Trip Advisor versus the $150 a night on IC's own website and even got free breakfast included.

I am a Marriott platinum member and am shooting for Ambassador status next year. Hopefully, once Covid is done, the service will be back up to what it was. A friend of mine warns me that Marriott supports the Mormon church big time (if that bothers you, do not use their hotels) but all I know is every time I am at a Marriott the beds are comfortable (and great for fucking), there is always hot water, and the food is always excellent. Once we see Covid in the rear view mirror, the hotel lounges open up and those with Marriott Platinum and above eat in their VIP lounges for free. These VIP perks really do impress the ladies. I use my Marriott Visa a lot. I think the hotel credit cards offer up better perks than the airline ones do.

If you go to Colombia, you would be hard pressed to find hotels more impressive to women than the Medellin Marriott and the Bogota Marriott. The Medellin Marriott is more of a stickler for guests though. In Bogota, you just have to register the women. Well, I am headed to Bogota, and my points were used up, and I looked at the Bogota Marriott and it was $250 a night. I then saw a prepaid option, and it was only $97 a night so I booked it. Make sure with all hotels now you check out the prepaid option as there can be huge savings.

Another trick I used was on miles. There are not that many airlines that fly to Colombia or have that many flights, but one that does is American Airlines, and they fly direct from Dallas, but I got tired of their fees and restrictions. I used my American Express card points and signed up for British Airways. A one way ticket to Colombia that would have been $80 and 18,000 points on American was $20 and 13,000 points on British Airways, and it is on the same American flight! So I transferred my American Express points to British Airways and booked the ticket. I wonder if this trick could be used with Delta and United partners. I have not checked into that yet.

For my flight back, I looked at flying United to Houston direct. The price was $1500 one way, but it was only $500 if I went through Houston to Dallas. So I plan to "miss" the flight to Dallas. I have noticed this is often the case with Delta in Atlanta and American in Dallas too: a flight with a connection is cheaper than one to the main hub.

With Mexico, I do not recommend this unless it is last minute. In general, flights from American cities do not vary much to Mexico if planned in advance, but with last minute fares, it is best to fly or drive and walk across to a border city (Juarez, Reynosa, or Tijuana) and fly within Mexico. Flights within Mexico, even last minute ones, rarely exceed $200 or $300 whereas last minute flights from the USA can easily cost you $1000. With Mexican airlines, best to worst is Aeromexico, Interjet, Volaris, and then Viva.

And with all Latin America flights, make sure to check what flights cost from Miami or Fort Lauderdale. A lot of the time the airline fare calculators miss a cheap combination like SW air to Fort Lauderdale and say Jetblue to the Latin city of your choice. When I looked at flying to Brazil, connecting in Florida halved the price of the ticket.

And finally for you Colombia aficionados, make sure to check out Wingo Airlines. It is a low cost carrier in Colombia, and I actually liked their planes and service. International flights with Wingo are often half of what Latam or Avianca charges. If you plan it right, you can fly your favorite Colombian chica to Cancun for $250 or so. I do not recommend flying them to Mexico City for the first time though. Customs in CDMX with Colombianas is brutal. After they have been to Mexico once or twice, then I would consider flying them to CDMX.

The women in Cancun on seeking and the escorts charge USA prices so it is cost effective to bring in a Colombiana or Mexican chica to Cancun. If you fly a Latina into Monterrey, Guadalajara, Mexico City, or Tijuana, if someone accused you of bringing sand to the beach, you may have to plead guilty.

[Elvis 2008]

Thanks for the Australia update. It is very interesting and good to know SA works there.

I have heard that Canada, the UK, and even Australia have become variations of the USA sex prison. Can you confirm that? What stunned me in Colombia was how many Australians seemed to be headed there to hunt the chicas. I have heard Aussie men love Thailand, but was the Aussie mongering community talking about Colombia pre-Covid?

[Cons68]

Maybe this has been asked, and answered, before but I really do nto get what is the point of paying premium for the girls. Do they get any special benefit?

I could not find an explanation on the site, I suspect they get pushed more often to potential daddies, is that it?

[Fun Luvr]

Seeking Arrangements has a 33% discount for premium membership until midnight May 31.

[DramaFree11]

Seeking Arrangements has a 33% discount for premium membership until midnight May 31.I do not see it. Is this for only new memberships?

[DramaFree11]

Thanks for the Australia update. It is very interesting and good to know SA works there.

I have heard that Canada, the UK, and even Australia have become variations of the USA sex prison. Can you confirm that? What stunned me in Colombia was how many Australians seemed to be headed there to hunt the chicas. I have heard Aussie men love Thailand, but was the Aussie mongering community talking about Colombia pre-Covid?I can only imagine how bad it is in the UK. It must real suck to be a dude their. I am in MTY for the weekend. Things are returning to normal here, minus the mask. Clubs are open and they are talking about students returning to campus, so some good news.

[DramaFree11]

Are you guys getting requests to use Telegram? I just started telling girls no, it is for scammers. I tried it a few times, with zero success. Whatsapp is great love it, I with we used more in the states.

[BrizLad]

Thanks for the Australia update. It is very interesting and good to know SA works there.

I have heard that Canada, the UK, and even Australia have become variations of the USA sex prison. Can you confirm that? What stunned me in Colombia was how many Australians seemed to be headed there to hunt the chicas. I have heard Aussie men love Thailand, but was the Aussie mongering community talking about Colombia pre-Covid?I can only speak for myself. Colombia is on my radar 'one day'.

For me Asia is a direct flight from here to happiness. An 8 hour single leg flight gets me from Brisbane to Manila and the Filipina happiness. I was spending 2-3 months per year in Asia so our travel policy changes has had a dramatic impact on my mongering. I was happy for a time in the last 6 months with the local AMP scene but I then started to ask myself just how many cocks these girls were sucking.

My current solution is to finalize a list of SA girls. I have a story that will put 80% of the list on backburner and let me call them off as best I can.

As many people know, SA girls know that there is a reason that we don't meet them immediately. It's the same for us. If a girl delays us for a few days or weeks, we know they are in another arrangement or trading us off on another monger.

[AmorPorFavor]

Seeking Arrangements has a 33% discount for premium membership until midnight May 31.They are only offering me a 25% discount. Maybe because I had previously had a premium account but let it lapse because covid. I'm going to take it for 3 months and see how it goes now that I am vaxxed.

[Steve 9696]

I can only imagine how bad it is in the UK. It must real suck to be a dude their. I am in MTY for the weekend. Things are returning to normal here, minus the mask. Clubs are open and they are talking about students returning to campus, so some good news.Dudes UK is totally NOT sex prison. The agency escort scene is alive and well and one of my worldwide faves. Diva (Ro-girls) and Olina (Thai) are still stocked with hotties. Just go read the reviews on Diva. There are five or six daily which is same pace as precovid. And many of my favorite girls are working Fortune. Mermaid. Cambria. At Diva and Anna at Olina. Absolutely dying to go.

Ps I was super unimpressed with the Sydney brothel scene when I was there pre-Covid. One good experience by hitting a hottie in an otherwise thin lineup and one very bad experience where no girl that looked above a 7 would BBBJ. Period. Boo u can keep Australia.

[Steve 9696]

Today was an exemplary day in the good and bad of seeking. I went on a second date with Mina (from a month ago). This time she made no effort to look hot. No makeup. No eyelashes. No sexy wig (she has that untamable black hair so she wears it short). And in the room she wants pay up front (no) and sticks to a covered BJ.

Boo. Ok that's our last date. I was nice about it but damn that's just a shame.

Then out of the blue M from Philly texts me happy Memorial Day pics like a real girlfriend would! She totally didn't have to do that. But she's a smart girl and playing the long game here. No hooker is texting u pics on Memorial Day cuz they’re thinking about u. LOL. Yeah I love seeking and my long distance girlfriends. Keep it coming babe!

[DramaFree11]

Today was an exemplary day in the good and bad of seeking. I went on a second date with Mina (from a month ago). This time she made no effort to look hot. No makeup. No eyelashes. No sexy wig (she has that untamable black hair so she wears it short). And in the room she wants pay up front (no) and sticks to a covered BJ.

Boo. Ok that's our last date. I was nice about it but damn that's just a shame.

Then out of the blue M from Philly texts me happy Memorial Day pics like a real girlfriend would! She totally didn't have to do that. But she's a smart girl and playing the long game here. No hooker is texting u pics on Memorial Day cuz theyre thinking about u. LOL. Yeah I love seeking and my long distance girlfriends. Keep it coming babe!Been there and done that. It always ends badly, with black chicks. They can look hot for one night, but when they're in a bad mood watch out. Also, they're just so much drama and they so much chaos in their lives, Best thing is just to avoid them.

[DramaFree11]

Dudes UK is totally NOT sex prison. The agency escort scene is alive and well and one of my worldwide faves. Diva (Ro-girls) and Olina (Thai) are still stocked with hotties. Just go read the reviews on Diva. There are five or six daily which is same pace as precovid. And many of my favorite girls are working Fortune. Mermaid. Cambria. At Diva and Anna at Olina. Absolutely dying to go.

Ps I was super unimpressed with the Sydney brothel scene when I was there pre-Covid. One good experience by hitting a hottie in an otherwise thin lineup and one very bad experience where no girl that looked above a 7 would BBBJ. Period. Boo u can keep Australia.You are correct, but I was talking about the normal guys, with normal budgets. They have to deal with the UK witches and that can not be fun. Yes, that is definitely Sex Prison!

[Mongerer88]

Dudes UK is totally NOT sex prison ... Ps I was super unimpressed with the Sydney brothel scene when I was there pre-Covid. One good experience by hitting a hottie in an otherwise thin lineup and one very bad experience where no girl that looked above a 7 would BBBJ. Period. Boo u can keep Australia.The fully legal, licensed brothels are rarely a good indicator of the quality of a nation's sex scene.

Any American John knows that independent escorts (albeit the expensive ones) give far better service (and actually at a lower price in the USA) than the worthless and clinical Nevada brothels.

For Australia, most of the good reviews, and certainly all of the liberal service offerings that most of us want, are from independent escorts who advertise on Scarlet Blue. Those expensive escorts are not mentioned favorably here on ISG by the local contributors, presumably because of the cost. The Canadian reviewer who saw several Scarlet Blue ladies was happy with them. Australia has a review board that cannot be linked to as a result of ISG rules.

I think your impression of Spain is based on your experiences with the fully legal, licensed places like Felinas. There are much better (and less expensive) alternatives in Spain such as Vecinitas and Teensbcn and the Eden places, which are independents who share an incall place. A person who doesn't read your great Diva contributions for the United Kingdom and uses a random agency might be left with a bad impression of the United Kingdom, and I feel that the same often happens for guys whose only experience in Spain is with Felinas, Top Damas, Maison Rouge, etc.

The fully legal and licensed places in any country seem to draw many CBJ-only ladies. Presumably because they can't be dismissed for that, and because the customers are often naive tourists (and even locals) who won't research on sites like ISG to find the better options.

It will be interesting over time to see if Seeking Arrangement becomes a viable alternative to Scarlet Blue in Australia for wild-child local Australian ladies who provide real sex, including BBBJTCIM.

[BrizLad]

It will be interesting over time to see if Seeking Arrangement becomes a viable alternative to Scarlet Blue in Australia for wild-child local Australian ladies who provide real sex, including BBBJTCIM.I've seen SA likened to Uber or AirBnb in the way that SA opens up under-utlised pussy into the gig economy.

My local SA is littered with divorcees who were giving it out for free on Tinder and realize that they could be getting $$ for the same experience vis SA.

But I still think that for many females giving over their pussy without commitment is a step too far. They would be the ones asking crazy $$ on seeking or simply not even considering it. They are out of our decision pool.

The problem I see for SA is the number of male freeloaders and fuckwits that are fucking up the site.

[Steve 9696]

I've seen SA likened to Uber or AirBnb in the way that SA opens up under-utlised pussy into the gig economy.

My local SA is littered with divorcees who were giving it out for free on Tinder and realise that they could be getting $$ for the same experience vis SA.

But I still think that for many females giving over their pussy without commitment is a step too far. They would be the ones asking crazy $$ on seeking or simply not even considering it. They are out of our decision pool.

The problem I see for SA is the number of male freeloaders and fuckwits that are fucking up the site.I know different members have different experiences. But mine is that early twenties is where it's at. Since discovering SA in 2019 and being decimated by Covid my "wins" by age are as follows:

23 23 22 25 28 21 22 23 26 23 25 23 20 23 22 23 24 23 24 24 23 26 23 23 20

Other guys may play in the thirties divorcee bin but that just never seems to work for me. So hard to find an attractive gal and then some drama because she has kids or thinks she's all that. Early twenties is magic age. Free with their sexuality and few personal commitments. My filter is permanently set to 25 and under. I may troll high twenties if it's slim pickings. YMMV.

[Stinky Squid]

Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?

[WyattEarp]

I have heard that Canada, the UK, and even Australia have become variations of the USA sex prison. Can you confirm that?I'm not sure on what qualifies a country as a sex prison like the USA. Canada has a very active, basically legal mongering scene. COVID has pushed prices up, but we'll see if that sticks long-term. Montreal has several large agencies and prices are generally a bit lower than Toronto.

Seeking Arrangements might be as much work in Canada as the USA It's never going to challenge Mexico and Colombia on that front.

My very generalized experience is wherever pay for play is legal the overall attitudes toward sex are more easy-going. The increased competition from pay for play kind of puts young women in a different frame of mind.

[CarloRogue]

Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?The fact that this thread exists should be indication enough to you that at least some of us think it is worth it. You can find plenty of naysayers on other boards if you'd prefer to be convinced otherwise. The experience is what you make of it. My recommendation is that you spend a couple days reading the various boards like this one (and the Richmond VA thread) to get a feel for the scene, then jump in and invest some time with it. You can really only learn by doing, and tweaking your approach to improve results. And not being a the-bag helps. Regarding membership fees, you can occasionally find some discount offers (33% but their business model is based on what their clientele is willing to pay, so I don't understand the complainers (it's a free market. If you don't like it, start a competing business). If you're a penny pincher, then the sugar bowl isn't a good fit for you.

[Steve 9696]

Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?Dude. I just listed 25 girls under thirty I have fucked via SA in the last two years — during a fucking pandemic. If that doesn't say "it works" then I don't know what to say. If you can't afford $400-500/ night then don't play SA in the USA. At least not for hot 23 year olds. It's the only game in town for that.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm not sure on what qualifies a country as a sex prison like the USA. Canada has a very active, basically legal mongering scene. COVID has pushed prices up, but we'll see if that sticks long-term.Yeah, good point, Wyatt. I should have clarified. With those countries, I was thinking more about divorce laws, marriage, sexual harassment lawsuits, ETC that I was referring to more so than being sex prisons. All those other countries are much more progressive on sex than the USA.

[Akibono]

Hi guys, coming late into your conversation. Some posts here pointed me to S. A. For making pre-travel appointments and on the ground connections. So I tried it out. And it seems like I am getting some leads with relative ease. I am surprised actually. But since I just sighed up, I have not yet paid for subscription. Now they really make you do it because you can't even see the replies of the messages you sent unless you pay. It's pretty steep price (given how folks on this site sometimes wind themselves for years before they pay their one-time activation fee for PM, haha), like they want USD 90 per freaking month! That sure is a rip-off, but I wonder if that also means the girls are mostly just in their to get a shot at a 500 USD per night date. I saw some mainstream news and blog articles which tout this as an option for women to make big bucks.

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?As many have already stated, SA is not a brothel. You have to have money and game. Patience is also required. There are no guarantees. You have to judge for yourself if the price is worth it for you. Making gross generalizations is neither true nor helpful. You might find the membership fees high, but they are no different than cover charges at clubs. They are designed to weed out the cheap Charlies that cannot afford the women and are there to harass the women. That is what the premium tiers are for. They signal to the women that you have bank or coin. If you can afford the fees, you can afford to play and will generally not be a jerk because that is for losers. There are a certain number of girls looking for high rollers and there are girls that are just one step above a street walker. Choose wisely. If you don't want to work, just go to a brothel. Escort services are generally higher with higher quality women. They have a reputation to keep and kick off the scam artists and losers. On the other hand, it is expensive for the women. They have to spend time and money to look nice and there are a certain number of guys that are no shows. Plus, the hosting company takes a cut. This is not a cheap hobby. You have to be financially successful and put in the time.

[Pessimist]

who won't research on sites like ISG to find the better options.

It will be interesting over time to see if Seeking Arrangement becomes a viable alternative to Scarlet Blue in Australia for wild-child local Australian ladies who provide real sex, including BBBJTCIM.I agree with you for the most part but don't believe Seeking will morph radically in the direction you suggest, Mongerer88.

Seeking has a very good thing going. They claim they have millions of subscribers. We do not know how many of them are actual paying subscribers.

Match.com has approximately 10.5 million paying subscribers and a revenue of $2.4 billion for 2020. Average subscription fee comes to slightly less than $20 monthly. Slightly more than half are international subscribers; even assuming international subscription fee is a bit lower, their US fee is not gargantuan. I think they have 3 tiers, Plus / Gold / Platinum, and none exceed $40 as far as I know. Note, the 10+ million includes not just Tinder but all their assets including Bumble, OKCupid, Hinge, etc.

We know SA fees are much higher at $90/ month and nearly $80+ if buying a 3 month package; even the recently discounted price was $67/ month for a short window last week and they run such promotions only a few times a year.

I don't expect SA has 10 mil paying subs, although their total members may be as many. For one, women seeking men are not paying. Also, the majority of the men are freeloaders just looking at the pics. But even if they have a million paying men, at nearly 3 times the monthly fee of Match.com, we can assume SA may have 30% rev of match.com.

Match.com is a publicly listed stock with a current value of nearly $40 billion. On a comparison basis, SA could be worth 30% of that? That would be $12 B. Even if SA is worth only half of that or even a quarter of that, it is still worth a very large amount.

The owner (s) of SA would be foolish to jeopardize that amount. They will take every precaution to give it an appearance of cleanliness, and be very diligent in removing all sorts of references to pay per meet, pay for sex, etc, let alone the explicit activities you mentioned.

I would, if I were the owner of SA.

Even from 5 years ago, SA has changed. It was a bit more wild then, and never heard of guys' accounts being suspended etc. Now, it is more commonplace.

That does not mean very explicit, perverted sex acts do not happen between parties that hooked up on SA but SA will not be the medium on which any of those are discussed. SA will pretend it is a high end meeting place where wealthy sugar daddies are helping out very pretty 20 something blondes. But most of the members are not wealthy and most of the women are also not 20-25 aged slim blonde cuties.

To me, SA is just a site where both parties know sex is on the table as a topic. It is upto them to make it happen, but that's about it.

SA might be a bit more lax in international locations for now but I wonder how long that would last. In the longer run, their best bet is to stay clean. Again, money rules and they would do anything to preserve the great thing they have going.

[BrizLad]

What I see is a mixed basket. I actually see girls saying the want long time relationships. More often than not even. But not sure if all of that cuteness and the attention you're apparently getting there is just a bait to make us guys pay through our nose for the membership fees to then end up with some entitled drama queen who demands a Gucci handbag on first date in a shopping mall?I have only ever had to pay for a one month subscription. I rarely see out the full month before I need to cancel the account because it is so fucking awesome. My work productivity drops as I am off meeting hotties instead of billing clients. Consequently I have had 4-5 different accounts and each time I signup I start with a new join date.

From your description you say you have 'leads' yet you have not paid a subscription. Pay the one month subscription and just see the difference.

Of course there will be girls that ask for extreme in the same way there is Lobster on every high restaurant menu. Just look over those ones and have some meet ups with your local girls that suit you.

Living the life.

Brizlad.

[Elvis 2008]

SA might be a bit more lax in international locations for now but I wonder how long that would last. In the longer run, their best bet is to stay clean. Again, money rules and they would do anything to preserve the great thing they have going.It is more lax abroad Pessimist. I have never been banned on SA and I think that is because I have danced around the how much question. I say that I do not pay a wage but a gift. When asked how much, I say in the past I have given the women a gift in this range. If my past average gift was $300 per session, I will say I have given them on average between $150 and $300 as a gift per meet. I was surprised at how crude some women were on the issue, and I am not sure in the USA they were on the website for long.

In countries where prostitution is legal, the women flat out ask how much. I may try my saying that "if you do not want me and just my money, forget about it" but I can usually get a working girl vibe from some women and I usually blow them off. If their photos show them to be really fine and I want them, I will just throw out a price. I will say though that the best fucks I have had abroad have been from women who do not give me a price.

I don't like it when people say all the women on SA are working girls because while probably the majority are, I have been with a dozen or more women who never set a price or would be offended if I gave them money for sex. I think guys lose out on the highest quality ladies if they treat all the women on seeking as working girls.

[Stinky Squid]

OK I jumped into that SA thing by paying their membership $$$ so I could read some of the response messages I got. But I became a bit concerned about what the girls can see about us on the other side. And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. They need to pay their fee for being able to filter by ethnicity, body type, net worth, and income. They pay $20 per month for that. We pay $100 per month. Ah well. OK. I guess $20 per month is a lot if you're a girl living in Venezuela. I suppose this whole $$ is the reason why SA works pretty well to get attention. So far so good.

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

Seeing the other guys in the search is also interesting. How they market themselves. One guy posted > 100 million $$$ net worth and 1 million income, and declared himself a business man. Credible. But would you go out with that target on your back??? Another dude posted no pic of himself but only his arm with Rolex in front of his BMW steering wheel. Pathetic!

[SavePros321]

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.
You are thinking about this correctly. Which is why I do not use Seeking outside of the USA. Even if you are lying about your net worth, criminals don't know that you are lying. Even someone with a net worth of $200 K is a millionaire to a desperate ladron in a 3rd world country who has partnered with that cutie who is telling you she is just an innocent school girl looking for some fun.

This probably happens more often than guys here want to admit (out of fear of embarrassment).

[WyattEarp]

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.This is a very smart point for SA travelers.

[CarloRogue]

OK I jumped into that SA thing by paying their membership $$$ so I could read some of the response messages I got. But I became a bit concerned about what the girls can see about us on the other side. And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. They need to pay their fee for being able to filter by ethnicity, body type, net worth, and income. They pay $20 per month for that. We pay $100 per month. Ah well. OK. I guess $20 per month is a lot if you're a girl living in Venezuela. I suppose this whole $$ is the reason why SA works pretty well to get attention. So far so good.

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

Seeing the other guys in the search is also interesting. How they market themselves. One guy posted > 100 million $$$ net worth and 1 million income, and declared himself a business man. Credible. But would you go out with that target on your back??? Another dude posted no pic of himself but only his arm with Rolex in front of his BMW steering wheel. Pathetic!Regarding net worth and income, I know there are different schools of thought, but a wise man once said that these figures have the same effect on women that photos of T&A have on us men. It is almost direct evidence of our collective evolutionary biology on display. So, with that as your guide, I personally think it is a good idea to input numbers that are roughly in line with your actual status (perhaps not exact, but neither wildly higher or lower). I could write up the argument, but if you think it all the way through and how your desired interactions with SB's will play out, I think you'd probably come to a similar conclusion.

Now as for travelling to a small town in Colombia as an American, regardless of net worth, doesn't sound like a good idea. My research lead me to conclude you should only visit the major cities, along the major highways, but preferably via air. But we have some Latin American experts here that can provide better advice. And also, another thing you'll learn is that, given how large the pool is, you shouldn't fixate on any one given SB anyway, especially one requiring complex logistics and travel.

[BrizLad]

And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. I had no idea that anyone paid any attention to the net worth and annual income features. Most girls learn very quickly that those two fields are full of BS. I am sure the Colombian cartel also do not place much emphasis on those fields.

[Stinky Squid]

This is cool, we get opinions over the entire spectrum:


I had no idea that anyone paid any attention to the net worth and annual income features. Most girls learn very quickly that those two fields are full of BS. I am sure the colombian cartel also do not place much emphasis on those fields.Well, I think it's definitely a featured data point on their site, so I think there is some meaning to it to the girls.


Regarding net worth and income, I know there are different schools of thought, but a wise man once said that these figures have the same effect on women that photos of T&A have on us men. It is almost direct evidence of our collective evolutionary biology on display. So, with that as your guide, I personally think it is a good idea to input numbers that are roughly in line with your actual status (perhaps not exact, but neither wildly higher or lower). I could write up the argument, but if you think it all the way through and how your desired interactions with SB's will play out, I think you'd probably come to a similar conclusion.I'm with you on that. This will never go away. There is no love just purely without this eye on our resources just like there is no love from us without that eye on the female sex features. But this is good. This is life. The key is what to make of it. I had a super pretty girl friend and more, man a 10 all around. She would swear and really believe she wasn't in it for the resources, and I believe her that on the surface that was true (I am a master of understatement in my dress and lifestyle). But it turned out she had hang-ups about this and it seems to me that she would have liked to be in charge by taking me down a few notches and uplifting her own value by being more a financial contributor, when she was not. Lots of problems ensued over time, and she never got over her resentments about me. So, in the end, accepting this biological reality is necessary. There has to be a win-win. They key question is: what about LTR and how can that work? But I supposed that's outside the scope of this forum to contemplate.


Now as for travelling to a small town in Colombia as an American, regardless of net worth, doesn't sound like a good idea. My research lead me to conclude you should only visit the major cities, along the major highways, but preferably via air. But we have some Latin American experts here that can provide better advice. And also, another thing you'll learn is that, given how large the pool is, you shouldn't fixate on any one given SB anyway, especially one requiring complex logistics and travel.Yes, that's what we have the Colombia group for. I have been around the block in Latin America in general. I think there is a certain overrating of the dangers. But there is also a false sense of security until it is too late.


You are thinking about this correctly. Which is why I do not use Seeking outside of the USA. Even if you are lying about your net worth, criminals don't know that you are lying. Even someone with a net worth of $200 K is a millionaire to a desperate ladron in a 3rd world country who has partnered with that cutie who is telling you she is just an innocent school girl looking for some fun.

This probably happens more often than guys here want to admit (out of fear of embarrassment).It would certainly be nice of our brothers to tell us all about it without any embarrassment. What has me wondering more is how many mongers ended up unable to warn us of what happened to them? If after some year (s) of detox I would want to go into an LTR again, I would scout the countryside of Colombia, Venezuela or most probably Brazil for a young girl with the dream of being a dedicated wife and having children and living a tranquil life. And that, I think, is best found in the countryside. Big city girls are probably rather spoiled or have certain other problems or downsides which have held them in limbo in the city. But for mongering, certainly the bigger the city the better. This is why I am zeroing in on taking a longer time in Bogotá.

[Stinky Squid]

This is quite amazing that I find myself not responding to some contacts and deleting messages. It is what most guys get offended by when it happens to us on the usual dating sites. Of course it's not all real either. You get favorited by a real hottie and then when I message her, no answer. But anyway, it's fun.

[AmorPorFavor]

OK I jumped into that SA thing by paying their membership $$$ so I could read some of the response messages I got. But I became a bit concerned about what the girls can see about us on the other side. And so I made a throwaway account as a girl, and it's quite interesting just how the "net worth" and "annual income" features in their search and list views. They need to pay their fee for being able to filter by ethnicity, body type, net worth, and income. They pay $20 per month for that. We pay $100 per month. Ah well. OK. I guess $20 per month is a lot if you're a girl living in Venezuela. I suppose this whole $$ is the reason why SA works pretty well to get attention. So far so good.

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

Seeing the other guys in the search is also interesting. How they market themselves. One guy posted > 100 million $$$ net worth and 1 million income, and declared himself a business man. Credible. But would you go out with that target on your back??? Another dude posted no pic of himself but only his arm with Rolex in front of his BMW steering wheel. Pathetic!That is some good info about what the girls see. Thanks Stinky. Day 4 of my post covid renewed subscription and I have 2 dates set up and lots of messaging going on. Some of these bitches are crazy.

[DramaFree11]

That is some good info about what the girls see. Thanks Stinky. Day 4 of my post covid renewed subscription and I have 2 dates set up and lots of messaging going on. Some of these bitches are crazy.Crazy is an under statement. I just got back on in San Antonio page after just doing Mexico for the last year and half. Most are just crazy, with there stupid pictures trying to cover up there fat asses, or they just have ridiculous demands. I am so tired of seeing girls in pictures with there dogs or in yoga pants. Most of the pictures I get are with no make up, there stupid dog in the picture,(they probably can not afford the dog / part of the reason they are on SA, and in yoga pants. When the girls send pictures from Mexico and Moscow, complete opposite. Usually appropriately dressed and with make-up, no baseball hats, there is occasional small dog, but that does not bother me.

I am about ready to give up on the American girls again, time will tell. I have been so busy with the new business, plus the flooding in Texas is making work much more difficult and traveling to MTY, I usually just give up on SA in America. In San Antonio, I maybe be get hits on about 15% of my messages and maybe half I get phone numbers, that is when the drama usually begins in text message. Examples, no car, only can meet during the day, wanting a $1000 a meeting, no sex, and many other excuses. On the MTY page, I am probably at 40% closure rate, girls are much more beautiful and realistic with there demands. What a difference a 5 hour drive makes.

Also Prices have went up. I do not think I can get anything under $400 now, pre-covid I could not.

[Elvis 2008]

I frankly am a little concerned to play this $$$ worth and income game. Found a cutie in a small town in Colombia (I have a thing for the idea of small town girls) but my big head plays through some scenarios. So you announce some amount of $$$X net worth, and you go to the Colombian country side, where then you are being kidnapped and extorted for a good share of your net worth to walk free again. This is making me apprehensive. So I might totally overstate the amount or just declare "I don't want to say". Do you have any research how that affects the hits? With the gold diggers you got to be careful.

You are thinking about this correctly. Which is why I do not use Seeking outside of the USA. Even if you are lying about your net worth, criminals don't know that you are lying. Even someone with a net worth of $200 K is a millionaire to a desperate ladron in a 3rd world country who has partnered with that cutie who is telling you she is just an innocent school girl looking for some fun.

This probably happens more often than guys here want to admit (out of fear of embarrassment).And the paranoia about the third world continues. I remember taking women to Mexico for dental work or medicines and having their relatives scream up and down that it was so dangerous to go. Time and again, we would hit the border and we were see the elderly walking across with a walker or cane and I would say, "If they are not scared, why should you be?" All that paranoia would go away once they hit the border. The paranoia was ridiculous.

I was in Brazil with two other guys who got mugged so I do not take criminal threats lightly. Rio was a place I could not enjoy because I perceived that there were muggers all around.

In comparison, the hotels in Colombia are much more strict about visitors than any here. The women need IDs to enter, and my favorite hotel in Bogota has a bomb sniffing dog. The notion that a hotel is less safe there than here is crazy.

As for small towns in Colombia, they are much like the small towns here. In general, they are safe. Everyone knows each other and for the most part the people lack ambition. I do not think the people there even believe that the wealth of Americans is real. If most who lived there were interested in money, they would be in the big city.

I like this summary much better.


I had no idea that anyone paid any attention to the net worth and annual income features. Most girls learn very quickly that those two fields are full of BS. I am sure the colombian cartel also do not place much emphasis on those fields.I have found the average Colombian girl to be more ethical than the average American one and certainly less materialistic. I think getting ripped off by an American is far more likely than being taken by a Colombian.

Thing that I have noticed is that the Colombian women are Catholic, often religious, and they have a wonderful positivity about them. Yeah, sure some are interested in money for the latest thing by Gucci, but I have seen time again the Colombian women on seeking to help their families which is in stark contrast to so many wenches in America. I think it would surprise a lot of guys here how often the Colombian women really do not care about your money.

The strippers and hookers are a different story as are the clubs in Colombia. For certain, you will see the predatory behavior there but I have not seen much of it on seeking. Not at all.

In fact, it is pretty routine for me to leave my wallet out. Out of the dozens of women I have seen in Colombia from seeking, there has never been a problem. Is that better or worse than the USA?

[Elvis 2008]

It would certainly be nice of our brothers to tell us all about it without any embarrassment. What has me wondering more is how many mongers ended up unable to warn us of what happened to them? If after some year (s) of detox I would want to go into an LTR again, I would scout the countryside of Colombia, Venezuela or most probably Brazil for a young girl with the dream of being a dedicated wife and having children and living a tranquil life. And that, I think, is best found in the countryside. Big city girls are probably rather spoiled or have certain other problems or downsides which have held them in limbo in the city. But for mongering, certainly the bigger the city the better. This is why I am zeroing in on taking a longer time in Bogot.I would not go to Venezuela. First off, getting a visa is near impossible. SS, the women there have seen time and again the dangers of long term planning. On top of that, I do not trust the environment there with regards to mental health. An American guy was dating a smoking hot Venezuelan here and she started to hear voices which is a sign of schizophrenia, and I think environment is just as important if not more so than genes with schizophrenia. Here is a study that shows heavy metal toxins lead to schizophrenia: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3082825/.

You have people eating out of the trash there, and what is even more bothersome is that things we do not even think about like drinkable water are an issue IMO. You got a country with huge issues and the toxic world of petrochemistry. I am certain environmental safety controls are nonexistent. I would not want to have a child with a Venezuelan woman due to the health risks. Seriously.

I have been serious with three Colombian women, and I cannot say a bad word about any of them. They all were / are upbeat, not materialistic, and would make great mothers. Thing that happens in the USA sex prison is there has been such concerns about safety in the USA that child care prices and health care are through the roof. With CPS and ultra competitive mothers, there are such huge and unrealistic expectations put on American mothers, it is common for guys to lose their wives to their children.

In Brazil and Argentina, most homes in the affluent areas have a servant's quarters. You pay a live in maid a ridiculously small amount like $200 a month and they take of everything including cooking, cleaning, and child care. Colombia is way better than the USA but it is not as good as those countries. I talked to an Argentine woman who had four children. She was skiing two days after delivering her last child, and she had lived in Canada. She said she would have had one child in Canada due to the lack of help there and said one child in Canada would have been more work for her than four in Argentina. It was an amazing to see a mother of four children who was attractive, in good shape, and not stressed to the gills like so many are in the USA sex prison.

My novia now is in Bogota, and she grew up on the Colombian coast. I am not even going to curse it now but talking about her or showing photos of her. What I have said is that is if you are not envious of what I have now, you do not have a pulse.

American wenches do not know how to treat a man. I think of American women as minors, sexually untouchable. Brazilian women may be better looking and better in bed than their Colombian counterparts, but the Colombian women are the sweetest I have ever met. Once you start dating them, you will not look at American women again. And from what I have seen, you do not need to look in the smaller cities. You just need to be weary of women with designer everything and look for the humble ones who care about their families more than anything.

[SavePros321]

And the paranoia about the third world continues. I remember taking women to Mexico for dental work or medicines and having their relatives scream up and down that it was so dangerous to go. Time and again, we would hit the border and we were see the elderly walking across with a walker or cane and I would say, "If they are not scared, why should you be?" All that paranoia would go away once they hit the border. The paranoia was ridiculous.Such a Pollyanna take on such a limited encounter.

Any thought that the elderly person could not afford change their current circumstances? So what if the area is controlled by dangerous criminal gangs: if you need food and your meds to keep living and cannot afford to get out, then you are going to grab your walker or cane and scoot your ass out of the door to wherever you need to go regardless of the situation.

With this advice about "just paranoia" we should tell all of the board members to just go skipping through the Favelas down in Rio without a care in the world.

And apologies to all of our "not US Citizens" brethren here on the board. This failure to look past one's own nose is common amongst the walled-garden variety of most North Americans.

[Elvis 2008]

Such a Pollyanna take on such a limited encounter.More like a dozen encounters.


Any thought that the elderly person could not afford change their current circumstances?LOL. The older people cross the border frequently. I think if you are 20 something and young and seeing 80 somethings using canes visiting a neighborhood, you can take this as a sign you are safe. I should have said these were Americans visiting. The older Americans would hang out in the shops and go to the dentist and buy medication.

The point was the paranoia about some Mexican border towns was not justified.

W


With this advice about "just paranoia" we should tell all of the board members to just go skipping through the Favelas down in Rio without a care in the world.

And apologies to all of our "not US Citizens" brethren here on the board. This failure to look past one's own nose is common amongst the walled-garden variety of most North Americans.Seriously? Muggings in Rio are so common that the citizens there brag about not being mugged. It is a dangerous place like I said 2 out of 3 people on one of my trips got mugged there.

Usually the locals will be straight with you about the danger. I do not get your point. Why are you apologizing to them? They know their country better than anyone, and people should listen to them and not what is on the news.

[Stinky Squid]

Gentlemen, I agree with you that USA women are currently hopeless, but I believe this is a treatable disease, though I don't want to be the doctor or nurse on that disease. Men have to toughen up and stop being simps and have to bring the women to heel again. Now as for Colombianas vs. Brasileiras vs. Venezolanas being crazy or greedy or not, I hear mixed messages. I think all three can be good choices, but you have to be very aware of baggage issues and the economical benefits are appreciated only for so long to make up until she feels she is being short changed by being with you. Resentment sets in and I heard many stories where the hot relationships blew up and it was hard to see it coming at first.

AAAanyway, if we could come back to the subject, here is a question and my current approach and I ask the SA daters in CO for advice. These girls talk clearly about "mutual benefits" and make it clear they don't want guys to beat around the Bush too much. It doesn't seem to require much game with those, and instead a solid offer. But what should our offer for compensation be?

I posted this same question.


here in the Colombia boardBut perhaps its better to ask here in the SA board.

If I take the same calculation I had applied (and explained) in the other post, I would say 250,000 COP x 4 = 1,000,000 COP for 24 hours.

But if I don't even want 24 hours it gets more interesting. 500,000 COP for the night? Would that seem too cheap?

I checked average monthly income in CO is under 450 USD, so 3 such nights and she'd have that average monthly income. Is that fair? Too much?

Should we negotiate lower than the rate of the straight up working girl? Amanecidas can be expensive, I have seen quotes of 400 to 800 COP, but I myself had negotiated 300 COP before, I think. So YMMV. What, then, shall we say?

[DramaFree11]

More like a dozen encounters.

LOL. The older people cross the border frequently. I think if you are 20 something and young and seeing 80 somethings using canes visiting a neighborhood, you can take this as a sign you are safe. I should have said these were Americans visiting. The older Americans would hang out in the shops and go to the dentist and buy medication.

The point was the paranoia about some Mexican border towns was not justified.

W

Seriously? Muggings in Rio are so common that the citizens there brag about not being mugged. It is a dangerous place like I said 2 out of 3 people on one of my trips got mugged there.

Usually the locals will be straight with you about the danger. I do not get your point. Why are you apologizing to them? They know their country better than anyone, and people should listen to them and not what is on the news.Yep, Rio is a total Shit Hole now. I was scared shirtless there. Rio made me appreciate MDE and Kiev. I am sure Rio was good 10-15 years ago, but now no way. Way to dangerous.

[Mongerer88]

Gentlemen, I agree with you that USA women are currently hopeless, but I believe this is a treatable disease, though I don't want to be the doctor or nurse on that disease. Men have to toughen up and stop being simps and have to bring the women to heel again. Now as for Colombianas vs. Brasileiras vs. Venezolanas being crazy or greedy ... ?Jesus Christ, where do some of you guys come up with this stuff?

It is all economics.

American women, especially the younger ones, simply have economic and wealth equality with men. There is no making them heel.

Many of them do still sell sex, directly or indirectly, but they charge a small fortune for it. And they don't tend to sell it in large continuous blocks of time, like months and years, making a relationship built on money for sex unrealistic.

The solution for a great number of guys on ISG is simply to purchase that sex in a foreign venue where the income / wealth disparity between an American man and a foreign woman is very significant. She will indeed heel and shake hands and even fetch.

The foreign woman still likes to be petted on the head and called a good dog, particularly if she was raised in a fucked-up environment dictated by The Pope, who told her that sex was wrong. Hence the popularity of Seeking Arrangement and its mixing of relationships and commercial sex and the ability for the participants to emphasize relationships. This has always been the case in Latin America and the Philippines, where meeting ladies at malls and buying them things and going to dinner was part of the commercial sex scene long before the smartphone and the internet replaced the mall scene.

If you suddenly gave women in South America and Mexico tremendous income and wealth without creating inflation, they would almost immediately behave like young American women currently do. This is observed when an American man brings back to the USA A poor lady and marries her.

The debatable point in the last few posts is to what extent an American man seeking commercial sex should change his lifestyle to spend large amounts of time in Mexico and South America to enjoy the abundant sex scene that exists in those places for a wealthy man. Most guys would be forced to give up things they value and enjoy in the United States in order to do so. We are all different in that respect. And certainly life is more dangerous in those places than in a wealthy USA Suburb. Different things work for different people.

[WyattEarp]

Jesus Christ, where do some of you guys come up with this stuff?

It is all economics.

American women, especially the younger ones, simply have economic and wealth equality with men. There is no making them heel.Yes, yes, income disparity is what drives SA and other forms of commercial sex around the world. In North America, many attractive women come from relatively comfortable families. If they do not establish a successful career path when they are young, they can venture out of this familial environment seeking fun or a partner with means. As a young woman ages a few years, the drive for a partner with some means starts to supplant simply having fun. Even attractive women from poor families figure out they might have something of value to a man with means.

I always laugh when some bloke says something to the effect that Brazilian women or another country's women are genetically wired to fuck a lot of men. That is not how women are wired.

[Stinky Squid]

I always laugh when some bloke says something to the effect that Brazilian women or another country's women are genetically wired to fuck a lot of men. That is not how women are wired.It is economics, but it goes way deeper. If you use the word "equality" in a discussion like this, you are naive and busy at work messing up your own life and the lives of men in general and chipping away on our civilization.

There is no equality.

Men and women aren't equal.

Everything that defines our prosperous civilization has been created by men. Men do over 90% of the productive and essential work in our society. This entire idea of "equality for women" is a great big rip-off scam, and it hurts our civilization as we are being replaced by people from cultures that maintain a higher fertility index, I. E. , children per women.

Also, these fucked up women in America are digging their own hole. There is a lot of unhappiness among the older women in America and Europe. Feminism has trashed it all. The false victim narrative, the half truths of "inequality" and "oppression", it's all toxic bullshit that has destroyed the vitality of our formerly so superior civilization, all built by men, and all destroyed now again by men who are weak-minded simps parroting propaganda about equality.

I believe there are market corrections happening right now in the sexual market place. But of course that is driven by men walking away from the fucked up deal and stop cutting themselves down by agreeing to and pushing anti-male propaganda.

Women still want kids, and ultimately it is in their best interest to marry young, be attached to one man and enjoy being taken care of. As soon as a woman starts to want to be in the driver seat and having a leg up over her man, that is when she loses passion and destroys her own home. The issue is that men let them get away with it. The solution is young men should NOT marry until they have built their career, and with 30 onward, marry a good just about virgin of 18-20 years, 40 year old men go for 20-25 years. With prenup. But those women over 25 should be avoided like the plague, generally speaking. Women need to learn the hard way that they are messing up their lives by rendering themselves worthless and unable to hold a marriage by cashing in early on their sex value and telling themselves the lie of "equality" and all the other feminist bullshit.

Men need to stop paying taxes for all this welfare shit and the entire cushy airconditioned HR apparatus and other bureaucratic fake jobs which give the women the false sense of them being economically equal. It's mostly bullshit jobs that they do. Jobs that don't matter. Jobs that are subsidized by the tax money and foregone earnings of productive men.

And it's happening. It's happening already. The only question is what type of men will enjoy the women newly put into their place ordained by nature? Will it be emasculated and spineless Western metrosexual atheist simps or will it be Muslim invaders? I think it's pretty clear who will.

[Cocr Brotheler]

"Also Prices have went up. I do not think I can get anything under $400 now, pre-covid I could not. ".

Thank you for the current SAT USA Market rate D|F.

I need to get some sexo soon and considering SA since I do not feel comfortable traveling on plane outside USA Even a false positive CV19 could cost my job with having to Q-tine for 2 weeks. And I'm not scared of crossing into MEX. I luv Tijuana especially HK but is hard to get a room there on weekends. Weekdays are not good as I have to take time off work.

So maybe as soon as next weekend flying out to El Paso for the day and cross Zaragosa bridge where there are several MPs close by.

[Mongerer88]

Some guys worry about not having enough to talk about with a Sugar Baby over dinner.

You certainly don't have to worry about that.


It is economics, but it goes way deeper. If you use the word "equality" in a discussion like this, you are naive and busy at work messing up your own life and the lives of men in general and chipping away on our civilization.

There is no equality.

Men and women aren't equal.

Everything that defines our prosperous civilization has been created by men. Men do over 90% of the productive and essential work in our society. This entire idea of "equality for women" is a great big rip-off scam, and it hurts our civilization as we are being replaced by people from cultures that maintain a higher fertility index, I. E. , children per women.

Also, these fucked up women in America are digging their own hole. There is a lot of unhappiness among the older women in America and Europe. Feminism has trashed it all. The false victim narrative, the half truths of "inequality" and "oppression", it's all toxic bullshit that has destroyed the vitality of our formerly so superior civilization, all built by men, and all destroyed now again by men who are weak-minded simps parroting propaganda about equality.

I believe there are market corrections happening right now in the sexual market place. But of course that is driven by men walking away from the fucked up deal and stop cutting themselves down by agreeing to and pushing anti-male propaganda..

[Elvis 2008]

Jesus Christ, where do some of you guys come up with this stuff?

It is all economics.

American women, especially the younger ones, simply have economic and wealth equality with men. There is no making them heel.

Many of them do still sell sex, directly or indirectly, but they charge a small fortune for it. And they don't tend to sell it in large continuous blocks of time, like months and years, making a relationship built on money for sex unrealistic.

The solution for a great number of guys on ISG is simply to purchase that sex in a foreign venue where the income / wealth disparity between an American man and a foreign woman is very significant. She will indeed heel and shake hands and even fetch.

The foreign woman still likes to be petted on the head and called a good dog, particularly if she was raised in a fucked-up environment dictated by The Pope, who told her that sex was wrong. Hence the popularity of Seeking Arrangement and its mixing of relationships and commercial sex and the ability for the participants to emphasize relationships. This has always been the case in Latin America and the Philippines, where meeting ladies at malls and buying them things and going to dinner was part of the commercial sex scene long before the smartphone and the internet replaced the mall scene.

If you suddenly gave women in South America and Mexico tremendous income and wealth without creating inflation, they would almost immediately behave like young American women currently do. This is observed when an American man brings back to the USA A poor lady and marries her.

The debatable point in the last few posts is to what extent an American man seeking commercial sex should change his lifestyle to spend large amounts of time in Mexico and South America to enjoy the abundant sex scene that exists in those places for a wealthy man. Most guys would be forced to give up things they value and enjoy in the United States in order to do so. We are all different in that respect. And certainly life is more dangerous in those places than in a wealthy USA Suburb. Different things work for different people.I like the post Mongerer I do. Your view is fine if you look at sex as a commodity. I used to, but the thing is that money only motivates people so much. And that is the flaw in what you are saying. Again, I totally would agree with what you said years ago, and you are a smart guy but I can tell you that money alone does not get you the best sex. You are being too rational and neglecting the emotional.

I met my current novia on seeking. She never asked for a price. In fact, she fucked me so good and is so hot, my response was "What is wrong with you? You are too good to be true. " On her second date, I asked why. She said that I understood how she thought. She has been through an abusive relationship and she just wanted to be with a guy who got her and would not hurt her.

A lot of other guys would try to control her, tell her she is stupid for feeling the way you do because of her empathy, and use her as a trophy object. One of the things with women is that they are hard wired to feel empathy even when they do not want to. In the past, when a woman would see or hear something she did not like about someone else, I would mock them. I do not now. I understand when they see someone else being stabbed with a knife they feel it even if they do not want to. Unlike in the manosphere world, where it is all about building game with confusing compliments or negging, building muscles, and getting bucks, in the female world, there was a poll that showed women value kindness most of all in men. The next two most desired qualities were intelligence and emotional support. I think a smart guy looks at both worlds and picks the best from both.

And whereas men may be rational about money, we can become emotional too. I pay $1500 to $2000 every time I see my girl in travel and lodging expenses, and the truth is I do not care if it were double that. Why? Well, She came to see me at 2 AM when I got in last night. How many other women would have said I am tired? When I saw her, she ran to me, jumped into my arms, and DFKed me for 2 minutes in public. I have said before my gal could be a model on price is right. Does that have value to you? It does to me. If a woman that hot is that crazy about me, it tells others, "There is something with that guy, and it is not just money. ".

I bought her a Pixel 3 XL because of the great pictures it takes and showed it to her. She could have given a shit. She wanted my dick in her mouth and then in her pussy. The first thing she said to me was, "I missed you so much". The second was "I want to be with you every day".

We have had already had sex 5 X in 12 hours and she is asleep now. Technically speaking, I could pay for sex with a hottie in the USA, but the other part you are leaving out is the quality. The best sex is not just money for sex. There has to be an emotional component to it. I went the SB route because I wanted better sex, and I got it because there was an emotional component. Most times it was more fondness than what I would call love. I loved the women I was with as friends but I was not in love with them if you know what I mean. They were more like flawed friends whose company I enjoyed.

This sex is at a different level. The woman is sucking my dick out of love not for a buck, and it is the best of all. So any analysis that says you can get a blowjob from a woman for a lesser amount is meaningless to me. It is like comparing hamburger to Kobe beef. I gave up other woman partly because I did not want to lose her but also because the sex is so much better.

She modeled for a decade and draws more stares and honks than any woman I have ever been with. Could she find a richer guy, a more buffed guy, a more handsome one than me? Sure, but she will never find someone who gets her and cares about her like I do, and that has value. It varies from woman to woman as to how much but for her, that is all that mattered.

I see a lot of manosphere comments here, and I like the manosphere, but the problem with is that they think all women are the same and they are not, and they neglect the emotional.

The reason I have had the success I have is that I have fished in stocked ponds. In the USA, it is not just the money. There is a fucked up feminist culture to boot. I also have had confidence because I have gotten hot women before and have no issue talking with them unlike when I was younger. I also know what I like. And finally, I have had taken risks. If I did not have all the bad experiences and learned from them, I would not be where I am now. Each sugar baby relationship I had was a growing experience.

To get the best sex, you have to look at building the best relationships. The Hollywood types make it so money is not important at all. The mongers make it to be all about money. Again, take the best of both and form bonds.

[Stinky Squid]

I met my current novia on seeking. She never asked for a price. In fact, she fucked me so good and is so hot, my response was "What is wrong with you? You are too good to be true. " On her second date, I asked why. She said that I understood how she thought. She has been through an abusive relationship and she just wanted to be with a guy who got her and would not hurt her.

... in the female world, there was a poll that showed women value kindness most of all in men. The next two most desired qualities were intelligence and emotional support. I think a smart guy looks at both worlds and picks the best from both.

... She came to see me at 2 AM when I got in last night. How many other women would have said I am tired? When I saw her, she ran to me, jumped into my arms, and DFKed me for 2 minutes in public. I have said before my gal could be a model on price is right. Does that have value to you? It does to me. If a woman that hot is that crazy about me, it tells others, "There is something with that guy, and it is not just money. ".
...
This sex is at a different level. The woman is sucking my dick out of love not for a buck, and it is the best of all. So any analysis that says you can get a blowjob from a woman for a lesser amount is meaningless to me. It is like comparing hamburger to Kobe beef. I gave up other woman partly because I did not want to lose her but also because the sex is so much better.

She modeled for a decade and draws more stares and honks than any woman I have ever been with. Could she find a richer guy, a more buffed guy, a more handsome one than me? Sure, but she will never find someone who gets her and cares about her like I do, and that has value. It varies from woman to woman as to how much but for her, that is all that mattered.

I see a lot of manosphere comments here, and I like the manosphere, but the problem with is that they think all women are the same and they are not, and they neglect the emotional.

The reason I have had the success I have is that I have fished in stocked ponds. In the USA, it is not just the money. There is a fucked up feminist culture to boot. I also have had confidence because I have gotten hot women before and have no issue talking with them unlike when I was younger. I also know what I like. And finally, I have had taken risks. If I did not have all the bad experiences and learned from them, I would not be where I am now. Each sugar baby relationship I had was a growing experience.

To get the best sex, you have to look at building the best relationships. The Hollywood types make it so money is not important at all. The mongers make it to be all about money. Again, take the best of both and form bonds.I totally agree that the emotional connection is so good and you hit the jackpot right now. I have been where you are and it's definitely not the money. However, when you spoke about that thing about her having been hurt in that other relationship, my alarm bells went up. I predict you the following: you're going to be a very happy man for a year or two. Once you actually stay together on a LTR basis you will see problems come up, and then the sex will go down, and then it may fall apart. Sad as it is. Enjoy why you have it. How to make anything like this long time workable is the secret that nobody knows really how to do.

[WyattEarp]

Men need to stop paying taxes for all this welfare shit and the entire cushy airconditioned HR apparatus and other bureaucratic fake jobs which give the women the false sense of them being economically equal. It's mostly bullshit jobs that they do. Jobs that don't matter. Jobs that are subsidized by the tax money and foregone earnings of productive men.Some of this rings true, but I try to be more philosophical about it. Sometimes we only see what we want to see without perspective.

These bureaucratic fake jobs are more likely to exist in large, bureaucratic organizations. Smaller and less profitable organizations don't have time or money for this. These jobs always existed except thirty-forty years ago they were filled with members of the "boys club". You know those guys everyone likes to hang out with on the golf course or at the bar. Or he was a good friend of someone in the see-suite. However, no one could figure out what they did except fill up an office and a chair at meetings.

I find there are many competent women in various fields. Perhaps not as much in hardcore engineering. I've worked with many successful females in sales. There were always men in the group putting them down. At the end of the day, I don't care if she flirts with customers, talks about pregnancies with female customers as long as she delivers her targets. There are other areas of our organization where females bring education, challenging certifications, etc. And succeed. The more goal-oriented the job in a large organization, the more likely women (and minorities) will prove themselves.

Do large organizations (incl. Government) create bullshit jobs where some monkey college degree and dressing appropriately are the only prerequisites? Hell yes, but this has always been going on. Most of us don't work in pure meritocracies. Does this new dynamic challenge traditional male-female roles? Hell yes.

[Steve 9696]

If you want the short version and condensed tips:

1. It pays to stay in touch with your girls. You never know when you will return. One might flake and ghost you. But another might be up for it. Just like when Krystal (fave from Vegas) kinda ghosted me so I flew Alexa to Miami. And now she's my new fave! Keep that Rolodex full. (Rolodex. LOL.).

2. Fat girls really do try harder. I know some guys are body only and face doesn't matter. And some need the whole package. And some are face guys. I am such that I MUST have the face but have stooped pretty low on body a few times and never been disappointed. I've never had a lame BJ from a fat girl. In fact I've had some of my best BJs in my life from fat girls. Kissing also. Super passionate. I'the say don't knock it till you have tried it. P.S. I am Viagra enhanced so I don't have to worry about the optics not lighting up mr Happy.

Full report follows.

So I was back in my old stomping grounds and started a couple weeks back to see what action I could find. I previously had a regular but she ghosted me. I tried out SA but blech. So bad in this town. So I pinged a girl I'the seen about a year ago and she was down to meet. I’d met her on SA but she is no longer on. And she’s the rare girl that had me to her apt on the first date, but really not a pro — just young and trusting. It pays to stay in touch with the harem.

Camilla is Mexican, has a gorgeous face and dynamite smile but unfortunately is heavy. But I knew this going in. And I also knew she's a pleaser that kisses great and gives a top ten BJ so I am happy to have her despite her weight. And what a sweet girl.

When I arrive at her place she's wearing a short thing that could be PJs? Not exactly lingerie but surely not street clothes. She had Regaetton playing in the bedroom which she remembered I like for this activity again a sweet and attentive girl.

We spend ten or so minutes catching up and I am just loving her smile and bubbly nature so I ask her to dance this is how we got the party started last time. We sway a bit and look into each others eyes but it's not long before we are making out and I am all hands all over.

She leads me to the bedroom where we continue to make out. We probably kiss for ten plus minutes. During this time we lose her clothes. I pull her down on top of me and we continue to make out. I massage her tits and suck her nipples some. We both like that.

But then roll her on her back and go to town. She's had her clit pieced since we were last together which she shows me with a girlish giggle. She went with a friend and then decided what the heck. Anyhow it makes it easy to find!

So I work her clit and have my index finger inside working her gspot and all around. It's a sloppy wet mess in there! Eventually I start doing more thumb on clit and finger inside and give my tongue a rest. She never has a crashing O but seems to enjoy it immmensely we go for prob 20 minutes of this.

When she's satisfied enough she says, Let me do you and we get going on that. Very sexy undressing me and getting my cock in her mouth. She starts with just the basic in and out BJ but slow and sexy like I like. I ask her to do my balls and that must jog her memory because she starts doing an amazing BJ with ball work.

She starts at my balls and sucks and licks them throroughly. And then puts her tongue flat at the base and takes it slow up the shaft. At the top she puts me in her mouth and goes deep. Several nice slides up and down. Then she reverses tongue down the shaft and starts on the balls again. OMG this is so good. You can tell by the look on her face that she LOVES sucking cock. Slow and sloppy and sensual.

This goes on forever. I get near the edge several times but this style she is doing with only a couple pumps then back to ball work, right when I feel the build, she is back on balls and I back off from the edge. This goes on and on! Normally the girls want to move on and I am wishing for more BJ. But in this case we do it for so long and she had me soooo worked up I am dying to fuck her.

So we grab our friend and suit up. Got back to my stash of Okamoto 01's and fuck they are tight. But felt good. Just stayed with mish the whole time my fave. Making out while fucking is just the best. As I feel the build I press up arms extended where I can really jam. Her face is so pretty. She looks me right in the eyes while I build and blow inside her. Sweetheart!

We cuddle and chat for 20 minutes or more when I get up to pee. And she gets me a water (sweetheart! I sip and we chat a bit more, her nestled in the crook of my arm. She's lightly stoking my side with her nails and as she goes lower I can feel some rise and ready for round two. She lifts her face to me and we engage tongues again and it's on.

We kiss again for a while and the rise is on. She starts stroking me and I feel her pussy and it's only a minute or so before I am hard and ready to go again. She heads down to the BJ and it's more of the awesome same technique. I push her hair aside so I can watch and she's really beautiful sucking cock.

She's down there a long time and it feels great but I am not near the edge. I am thinking maybe fucking will be needed to get to the final shot. But then she gets her hand involved. She gently cradles and starts massaging my balls. Fuck I LOVE BJ with ball massage. It's always the ticket and let her know by moaning some. She gets the message and switches hands but keeps on some amazing ball and shaft work. I am beginning to writhe and moan as I near the edge and bam! I start shooting in her mouth.

Some girls stop for some reason when you start cumming which I always find distracting and a bit unsatisfactory. But not Camilla. She keeps pumping and stroking as I unload in her mouth. She swallows with an amazing dynamite smile like I have given her an amazing gift and comes up the sheets for kiss and cuddle.

Wow that girl can BJ and is such a sweet girl. I truly enjoy my time with her. Def repeat.

[Midwestern]

Been reading the economics debate on here. Look, I think it's safe to say that many women are looking for BOTH love and money. However, some girls are foolishly idealistic and think that love is all that matters. And some girls have gotten so jaded that only money matters. On SA, you will occasionally find one or the other.

But with many gals, it's NOT one or another. Yeah, many need the cash, but many also need the love. These are the gals that I looked for, and was successful in finding (a little over two dozen gals in about 20 months).

In addition, some girls are on SA to have a good and fun time. They might need money too, but maybe don't need the love. They were great for one-off dates. But I only sought these when I was on the road. In my home turf, I didn't seek them.

For the ones that was only about the economics, I tried to avoid them altogether. But sometimes they faked the love pretty well and it took me a few dates before I realized that I was just a client.

[Midwestern]

Great report Steve. Another reminder that there's no point in explicitly breaking up with an SA gal. And, another reminder that once you fucked a girl, she's often DTF again in the future. I've had exes that got married or got a real BF, but still hooked up with me later. In their minds, it wasn't cheating since we had already fucked before. LOL. In fact, Steve, it's possible that your recent hookup now has a BF.

[HelloIm]

I am trying to message you. Thanks 😀.

[BrizLad]

Great report Steve. Another reminder that there's no point in explicitly breaking up with an SA gal.I have had some arrangement 'terminations' when I was thinking I wanted to be specific. In hindsight, I could probably have just been vague.

Two girls that I closed out last week I just left with a vague "I'm on a project for three weeks, will message you after. " I used three weeks which is more than enough time for them to know they need to and to find a replacement.

[DramaFree11]

Great report Steve. Another reminder that there's no point in explicitly breaking up with an SA gal. And, another reminder that once you fucked a girl, she's often DTF again in the future. I've had exes that got married or got a real BF, but still hooked up with me later. In their minds, it wasn't cheating since we had already fucked before. LOL. In fact, Steve, it's possible that your recent hookup now has a BF.Great advice. I usually just say I am taking a break or you can say you are having some financial issues.

[Steve 9696]

I am trying to message you. Thanks 😀.My box is clear.

[Elvis 2008]

However, when you spoke about that thing about her having been hurt in that other relationship, my alarm bells went up. I predict you the following: you're going to be a very happy man for a year or two. Once you actually stay together on a LTR basis you will see problems come up, and then the sex will go down, and then it may fall apart. Sad as it is. Enjoy why you have it. How to make anything like this long time workable is the secret that nobody knows really how to do.SS,

They have done studies on desire in relationship, and your time frame is about right. Apparently, the drive goes down more for women than for men. It was one reason I thought I would never commit to anyone.

Thing is if her desire was cut in half it would still be higher than most women, so we will see. I have a feeling she may be the exception but I know how lame that sounds.

As for being hurt, I talked to someone about this, and they said that the guy she was previously with did not feel worthy of her. He threatened her with all kinds of crazy things. I can see why. In some ways, she is too good to be true. Imagine a woman who draws stares from all kinds of guys, who has a sex drive where she wants to fuck all the time (hell, she was giving me a handjob in the cab tonight), but is kind and giving. She cooks for me and is good at it, likes to clean, has not asked for anything material, and whose favorite activity is cuddling with me in bed.

You would think with that high of a sex drive she has been with many men, but I am only her 4th guy. It sounds like BS right, but there really was not much point in saying now. Some people just get no desire having sex with any one but their chose partner. I am not like that, but her personality type is.

So yeah, you are right. That is the course of a typical relationship, but she is anything but typical. Usually the hottest women are the most crazy but so far I have not seen that at all.

[ShadowJ]

Since I haven't been able to get back to the Philippines, I've been traveling to Bogota and Tijuana every other month. I can only stay for the work week since travel for work is my cover story. Anyway, I've got a couple of cuties in Tijuana and Bogota is an amazing hunting grounds on SA. But flights to both locations are ridiculously expensive on the next week I can get away. So, I was thinking of trying a new location preferably within a 5 hour flight of the east coast and where there are plentiful hotties on SA. Any recommendations?

[Steve 9696]

So traveling again soon and going to a big city. Pretty fair number of girls there and I am sure I could find something. But M (see recent FR) is itching to see me and DAMN was she a find. So even tho she will fly in on Friday night and out again Sunday night it seems worth it. Have to get hotel anyhow so it's just airfare all other costs are the same. So it seems like $400 is a small price to pay when your getting a hottie who you know you have chemistry with and will enjoy all your time together.

Plus. I gotta say I kinda like the “real SD” feel of flying girls and putting them up at a nice hotel I can go shag them at any time I like. It’s just kinda mega cool. Going to pull the trigger on this quite soon.

[Elvis 2008]

Since I haven't been able to get back to the Philippines, I've been traveling to Bogota and Tijuana every other month. I can only stay for the work week since travel for work is my cover story. Anyway, I've got a couple of cuties in Tijuana and Bogota is an amazing hunting grounds on SA. But flights to both locations are ridiculously expensive on the next week I can get away. So, I was thinking of trying a new location preferably within a 5 hour flight of the east coast and where there are plentiful hotties on SA. Any recommendations?Top three choices would be Monterrey, Mexico City, and Guadalajara in that order.

[Steve 9696]

So traveling again soon and going to a big city. Pretty fair number of girls there and I am sure I could find something. But M (see recent FR) is itching to see me and DAMN was she a find. So even tho she will fly in on Friday night and out again Sunday night it seems worth it. Have to get hotel anyhow so it's just airfare all other costs are the same. So it seems like $400 is a small price to pay when your getting a hottie who you know you have chemistry with and will enjoy all your time together.

Plus. I gotta say I kinda like the real SD feel of flying girls and putting them up at a nice hotel I can go shag them at any time I like. Its just kinda mega cool. Going to pull the trigger on this quite soon.Flights and hotels all booked. Super excited. Had her book everything in her name and cashapped her. She sent back confirmation pics. Looks all good. Excited. SA at its finest! 🙏.

[Stinky Squid]

Thing is if her desire was cut in half it would still be higher than most women, so we will see. I have a feeling she may be the exception but I know how lame that sounds.

As for being hurt, I talked to someone about this, and they said that the guy she was previously with did not feel worthy of her. He threatened her with all kinds of crazy things. I can see why. In some ways, she is too good to be true. Imagine a woman who draws stares from all kinds of guys, who has a sex drive where she wants to fuck all the time (hell, she was giving me a handjob in the cab tonight), but is kind and giving. She cooks for me and is good at it, likes to clean, has not asked for anything material, and whose favorite activity is cuddling with me in bed.

You would think with that high of a sex drive she has been with many men, but I am only her 4th guy. It sounds like BS right, but there really was not much point in saying now. Some people just get no desire having sex with any one but their chose partner. I am not like that, but her personality type is.

So yeah, you are right. That is the course of a typical relationship, but she is anything but typical. Usually the hottest women are the most crazy but so far I have not seen that at all.Elvis, take my advice: go for it and enjoy! Do not fear the potential of it falling apart. The only thing you have to lose is opportunity costs to not find someone else. But if you are not needy and you can live with the fact that this may end, you will never forget it and it just becomes good memories of your life, even if there are some tears involved in the end.

I have made complete peace with "illusions" that are "not real". If it feels real at the moment that is what matters! Then it IS real at the moment. If two years later it feels no longer good, that doesn't mean it wasn't real.

The only reason to really angle for a stable LTR that lasts decades is for the purpose of raising your offspring. That is a good goal to have. And that is where you really need to watch all the factors, your own needs and failings included.

Be aware about borderline personality disorder. The hyper-sexed behavior can be a way to reel you in. Watch for her controlling and manipulating you. Isolating you. Wanting you all for herself is cute and feels good. But if your issues are being ironed over by her steamrolling whims of the moment, that is a long term problem. But like I said above, enjoy. I have a special taste for BPD girls for this hyper-emotion which I love and savor. You must, however, never become dependent on one of them and never end up in a situation where a BPD girl has the upper hand over you, or has you by the balls.

Having children together is the big problem. The big trap. You can't have children with an insane woman. That's why they say "don't stick your dick in crazy". I guess be aware of this risk and deal with it. Also, you cannot really deny a woman children. Biology matters. Just like a woman cannot really deny a man sex. It will blow up.

[Il Drago]

It does, in Serbia & in Hungary for sure. I knew it even before I paid for the subscription, but this has only confirmed it. The only reason I have subscribed for a month was a bet which I won, so I actuall made money out if this. I monger in Belgrade & in Budapest & working girls are the only real thing. Seeking is all about scam & wasting time. There are working girls there too, but uglier & more expensive. So many scammers & cheaters with stolen photos, so many fake profiles. Such a shitty website. I am amazed someone did not take legal actions against them yet. But, I'm sure it is just a matter of time.

[Steve 9696]

So quiet in here. Surely someone somewhere in the world is smashing some SA girls. Do tell!

My personal situation is that:

A. Layla is kinda gone cool. Can't get her out on a date. I guess ti be expected. We've lasted a long time by SA standards - 9 months. Going to keep pinging her for a date till I find something better.

B. Mina (not Mika) was the CBJ Queen and a quick fuck and go on our second date so not a repeat. Boo.

My thing with Mika is awesome. But that's sporadic because she's remote and I have to fly her wherever.

So bit of a draught for me locally. How's about you guys?

[DramaFree11]

It does, in Serbia & in Hungary for sure. I knew it even before I paid for the subscription, but this has only confirmed it. The only reason I have subscribed for a month was a bet which I won, so I actuall made money out if this. I monger in Belgrade & in Budapest & working girls are the only real thing. Seeking is all about scam & wasting time. There are working girls there too, but uglier & more expensive. So many scammers & cheaters with stolen photos, so many fake profiles. Such a shitty website. I am amazed someone did not take legal actions against them yet. But, I'm sure it is just a matter of time.SA works great for me. You are the one with the shitty attitude. You should not be able sell your crappy service. Yes, I asked you a question. You replied with a bad attitude.

[DramaFree11]

So quiet in here. Surely someone somewhere in the world is smashing some SA girls. Do tell!

My personal situation is that:

A. Layla is kinda gone cool. Can't get her out on a date. I guess ti be expected. We've lasted a long time by SA standards - 9 months. Going to keep pinging her for a date till I find something better.

B. Mina (not Mika) was the CBJ Queen and a quick fuck and go on our second date so not a repeat. Boo.

My thing with Mika is awesome. But that's sporadic because she's remote and I have to fly her wherever.

So bit of a draught for me locally. How's about you guys?I am still killing in MTY, but working my ass off on the new business in San Antonio, so not that much time for fun. Moving to SA full time this weekend. I have tried SA in San Antonio, I usually get fed up with the girls and blocked them. I have it so good in MYY, not sure the girls in San Antonio will ever measure up. I am so close to MTY now, I can make under 5 hour drive so I real am not even trying in San Antonio. Also, I am making fitness a priority after work, so just not enough time at the moment.

Next week I have two trips to MTY, I have a birthday bash. I do not want to jinx it, but more details to follow. It could be really good. Steve, I love your reports, you have a lot of patience to deal with the American ladies. They drive me crazy and not in a good way.

I do want to try and give SA a chance in San Antonio, when things settle down. I had a lot of problems with the guy I bought the business from, he has been terminated and my lawyer is on his ass. My lawyer is amazing and a great role model. We never lose. This jack ass will get what is coming to him. The business is great and we already killing it. Life is great both professionally and socially. I absolutely love San Antonio. 2 years ago I was in Houston miserable. A lot has changed, I bought the business in Austin, we will triple revenue in 2 years, (During the Pandemic) and now I am in SA on the new venture.

Next report will be all girls. Elvis, Steve, Midwestern and others I just wanted to say thank you, I have learned a lot from all of you guys. SA is by far the best page and have so much valuable information.

[Elvis 2008]

Next report will be all girls. Elvis, Steve, Midwestern and others I just wanted to say thank you, I have learned a lot from all of you guys. SA is by far the best page and have so much valuable information.Thanks, DF, I am at a friend's place now with some buddies. He was showing me a picture of Rebecca Ramos and we have a mutual friend who knows her: https://www.google.com/search?q=rebecca+ramos&rlz=1 C1 CHBF_enMX893 MX893&sxsrf=ALeKk00 MgEt0 csKquOrsynYHWIt89 jg-dg:1623517861584&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2 ahUKEwiH-LOry5 LxAhVWV80 KHSL9 DK8 Q_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=966&bih=494#imgrc=L1 BnIAhZF2 pWQM.

I countered that I think our friend "one more time" Nancy is better looking and they all were giving me a hard time.

[Steve 9696]

Wow. I just had the most amazing SA date. I found this girl a couple weeks ago. Black girl. Beautiful face. Maybe heavy downstairs she hides it all in the pics. We agree to meetup. She asks if I do PPM so I take her for a pro but I was sooooo wrong.

We are supposed to meet at 530 and she texts around 1 saying some dude sideswiped her car and she has to take an Uber but wanted me to know In case she's late. Yeah right. Nonetheless I play along and offer to send her one. She pushes things out an hour to get a pet sitter. Yeah right. Strangely this will all turn out to be true not some pro story.

Well getting her an Uber is hard as fuck. She lives in east bumblefuck and I try Lyft and Uber and no dice. I tell her we have to cancel. Then I try Uber and get a bite. It's getting late now and I ask if she still wants to come and she says yes. But the Uber guy bails. I try again for 20 or so minutes and eventually get a quality guy but our date starts 2 hrs late so fucking time is going to be a problem.

She does finally get there and sure enough her face is pretty but very bulky clothes. Hard to tell on the bod. The great news is she loves to drink and downs a maitai pretty quick. We share some apps and she gets a margarita. Drinks that fast too. Initial nerves are fading fast.

At some point she says "I know you said you look better than your pictures and that's usually BS but damn you do look better than your pictures. You are really cute. " Nice! We have some great chat and I have her laughing hard. At some point there is this long pause where we are just looking into each others eyes for a long time. It's clearly a moment.

So I say "want to get out of here" clearly code for let's go fuck and she says sure. (Turns out this babe in the woods doesn't know the code. More on that soon!) So I book a hotel while she is in the can. When we walk out she says where we going and I say to my car. She apparently thought we were walking to another bar but complies and hops in.

So we drive to the hotel. I grab a bottle of plum wine I've been storing and we go checkin. In a few moments we will discover she had no idea we were going to a hotel so she is being quite the compliant newbie like I read about on Japanese Nanpa forums. LOL.

In the room she is standing a bit at a distance and I strike a similar pose and she laughs and says is uthat what I look like and I say yes. She moves to the couch but clearly some distance from me. I join her and say "you seem really nervous. Did you not know we were coming to a hotel?" And she says no. She had no idea. So I say ok well that's cool I don't want you to do anything your uncomfortable with. And I truly mean this. I always want my SB date happy and comfortable. The rest follows.

She says "did you think we were going to have sex?" And I say yes but I am comfortable with her pace. I don't want to do anything she is uncomfortable with. Most girls are sex on the first date but some are not. That's fine. Maybe we'll just drink some wine and make out. She says sounds good.

So we start making out and DAMN that girl can kiss. Top five and that is rarified air! I start feeling her tits some and she seems a bit nervous with this but you can tell the kissing is getting her hot. At some point her hands are near my dick and I encourage a little rub. She seems hesitant.

After a bit we get up to go wipe off her copious lipstick. I am covered. And on our way back to the couch I engage her in standing kissing and it's very very good. I get her rubbing my dick over my jeans but when I go to unbuckle she balks and says I know what you want! And I say I do but how about this. Have you ever watched a guy jerk off? She says sure all the time on pornhub it's super sexy.

I say ok we can do that. And somehow I manage to get my pants down some and she goes all hands on dick. We are making out and she is stroking and rubbing. You can tell she is dying for the dick but trying to be a good girl. At some point she says it's pretty dry and I say you can help with that. LOL.

She hesitates and you can tell she's considering. She says how do I know your clean and I say "because I am". More thought and giggle and next thing you know she is on her knees with my dick in her mouth. She's not very experienced but her lips are magical and it feels great.

After a bit we retire back to the couch and drink a bit more. I get out her tits and start suckling and damn she likes that. Moaning and cooing. More nice soft BJ. She gags a couple times and I say babe you don't have to go so deep and she seems relieved. I am looking forward to giving this babe blowjob lessons!

She is on her knees on the couch and says "smack my ass" so I do smack it a few times as she continues BJ. At some point I go to feel her pussy and she tenses up and closes her legs. She mumbles something about being wet and she embarrassed. Later in the car I say being wet is awesome and nothing to be embarrassed about. She says she just didn't want me to know how turned on she was getting! OMG I love how she's trying to be good and proper and I am making her cream down her thighs. What a turn on!

Eventually with some nice mouth work and me on hand work we get er done. She has asked that I don't CIM in her mouth and I respect that, so I finish by hand as she watches me spurt from a few inches away. She loved that. She says damn that's sexy! Ok girl I'll cum for you any time baby!

I drive her back to the bar because she forgot her phone and I tell her she can keep the room all night. She is stoked about this. So she's going to party a bit more and sleep in. Pussy juice still wet on her thighs.

Had a great time. Will repeat! And she is clearly dying to get that dick inside her on date 2. Date 2 here we cum!

[Member #4703]

A question for the mongers that have experienced both FKKs and the SB scenes. I am planning to take a 2 week mongering vacation in July or August. Unfortunately, budget is a bit more limited than I hoped (fuck you, Elon).

First option is to drive all over Germany / Austria visiting 4 or 5 of the best FKKs. This is something I have wanted to do for a long time, and FKKs have also been mentioned as a must-do-in-a-lifetime-thing on these forums time and time again. There is a possibility that this will be my last mongering trip for a while, so I want to make the most of it. The problem with this option is that I am normally totally fine with just one shot a day, and spending 300 euros in a day at a FKK when probably I wouldn't enjoy the second girl doesn't sound that appealing to me. The advantage is that I can just drive to Germany in my car, and if I am bored somewhere, I can go somewhere else on a whim. I also have one or two girls from SA that I would love to meet, but of course it is a lot of work to find the right ones, so FKKs would be my main mongering target.

Second option is to take a flight to a major city in the south (I am thinking Madrid, have already done Barcelona once and been to Lisbon multiple times). I did a pure Sugar trip last year to Lisbon meeting 4/5 SBs during a week. The advantage is that Madrid seems more culturally rich and there are more activities to fill up my non-mongering time. On top of that, I really love the southern people and nothing beats the vivaciousness of the southern girls, thus chances of GFE experiences are better in the south in my opinion. Madrid also has a good brothel scene which means that if I get stood up by a Sugar Baby, there is always the backup to visit a brothel. The disadvantages are that it takes an awful lot of time to arrange sugar dates, and they have a high chance of the flaking at the last minute, which is not a risk with FKKs. Also Madrid will be freaking hot in July and August. Another disadvantage is that I would not have my car, so I will be dependent on public transportation to get out of Madrid, thus not so mobile. I would also ideally like a SB to stay with me for a longer time, which is very difficult with local SBs since they have to get home at night etc. Probably it is an option to fly over someone from Lisbon or take someone along from my home country so they will be me for a longer time period. Madrid also has the club scene, but I have been to similar clubs in Lisbon / Barcelona, but didn't really like them.

If it matters, I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive.

What do you think I should do?

[Pessimist]

A question for the mongers that have experienced both FKKs and the SB scenes. I am planning to take a 2 week mongering vacation in July or August. Unfortunately, budget is a bit more limited than I hoped (fuck you, Elon).

First option is to drive all over Germany / Austria visiting 4 or 5 of the best FKKs. This is something I have wanted to do for a long time, and FKKs have also been mentioned as a must-do-in-a-lifetime-thing on these forums time and time again. There is a possibility that this will be my last mongering trip for a while, so I want to make the most of it. The problem with this option is that I am normally totally fine with just one shot a day, and spending 300 euros in a day at a FKK when probably I wouldn't enjoy the second girl doesn't sound that appealing to me. The advantage is that I can just drive to Germany in my car, and if I am bored somewhere, I can go somewhere else on a whim. I also have one or two girls from SA that I would love to meet, but of course it is a lot of work to find the right ones, so FKKs would be my main mongering target.

Second option is to take a flight to a major city in the south (I am thinking Madrid, have already done Barcelona once and been to Lisbon multiple times). I did a pure Sugar trip last year to Lisbon meeting 4/5 SBs during a week. The advantage is that Madrid seems more culturally rich and there are more activities to fill up my non-mongering time."I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.

Flying to EU just for sugarbabes does not make sense to me. Not sure where you are flying from. Unless your local girls are not appealing to you, why not do your SD / SB'ing locally?

FKKs and SB scene are totally different. Also, FKKs and typical brothels are different in my view. I visit FKKs to spend all day, relax, eat or drink, ogle the 100+ naked chicks, flirt, and enjoy multiple fucks a day.

To me, FKK and SB are not either / or. They each have their place.

Personally, I love German cities as much as I do Spanish cities. But if you like Spain more, so be it.

I have used seeking for sugarbabes when visiting Spain. Sessions lasted a couple of hours or more; I did not ask them to stay overnight.

Make sure the FKKs you plan to visit are open in July, if that's when you go. Otherwise, you will be frustrated enormously. It will be early days, no idea if the quality of girls and their service will be any good. Check this site for reports on pricing and session quality.

[Steve 9696]

"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.

Flying to EU just for sugarbabes does not make sense to me. Not sure where you are flying from. Unless your local girls are not appealing to you, why not do your SD / SB'ing locally?

FKKs and SB scene are totally different. Also, FKKs and typical brothels are different in my view. I visit FKKs to spend all day, relax, eat or drink, ogle the 100+ naked chicks, flirt, and enjoy multiple fucks a day.

To me, FKK and SB are not either / or. They each have their place.

Personally, I love German cities as much as I do Spanish cities. But if you like Spain more, so be it.

I have used seeking for sugarbabes when visiting Spain. Sessions lasted a couple of hours or more; I did not ask them to stay overnight.

Make sure the FKKs you plan to visit are open in July, if that's when you go. Otherwise, you will be frustrated enormously. It will be early days, no idea if the quality of girls and their service will be any good. Check this site for reports on pricing and session quality.Yeah I suppose as Pessimist says if you don't care for the multiple girls and sauna type thing FKK mya not be for you. If you didn't like the club scene then I am guessing you won't like FKK much. I like both.

If you are setting up a "try for sugar baby but with failover" you might consider UK. As I have written many times Diva Escorts has amazing Romanian babes and so reliable. So spend time surfing SA. And pick out a couple girls. Try to get that end to end dating experience that only SA provides. But if you have a date fail, just book a last minute Diva girl and get your rocks off at her place.

I once had a civvy date fail at 11:45 and I was fucking Flory at her place by 12:15! It's a great escape hatch.

[Oneminuteboy]

"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.

I have to disagree but that is a discussion for another topic.

[Member #4703]

Yeah I suppose as Pessimist says if you don't care for the multiple girls and sauna type thing FKK mya not be for you. If you didn't like the club scene then I am guessing you won't like FKK much. I like both.

If you are setting up a "try for sugar baby but with failover" you might consider UK. As I have written many times Diva Escorts has amazing Romanian babes and so reliable. So spend time surfing SA. And pick out a couple girls. Try to get that end to end dating experience that only SA provides. But if you have a date fail, just book a last minute Diva girl and get your rocks off at her place.

I once had a civvy date fail at 11:45 and I was fucking Flory at her place by 12:15! It's a great escape hatch.Thanks Steve, indeed I hadn't thought about London as an option, that's a great place to consider. I will research a bit on what are the general expectations of SA girls in London.

[Steve 9696]

I have to disagree but that is a discussion for another topic.Hey we are not narrow minded here. We love a good debate! What's your POV? Spill your guts on this.

[Member #4703]

"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.
he FKKs you plan to visit are open in July, if that's when you go. Otherwise, you will be frustrated enormously. It will be early days, no idea if the quality of girls and their service will be any good. Check this site for reports on pricing and session quality.I am in the EU already, within driving distance of Germany, that's why I mentioned I can just drive to Germany but would have to fly to Madrid. About mentioning the brown non-EU part, the reason is that I have always felt a certain coolness from WGs in the north and Russians. Maybe Russians are a bit cold to everyone, I don't know and I am probably unfairly generalizing them. I know the FKKs are full of Romanian WGs, thus I am a bit skeptic about the GFE part which is quite important to me I never felt that in the south, thus I mentioned that as a possible positive point in favour of the south.

You are absolutely right, both are totally different experiences, and its pretty hard to choose one when I have not experienced FKKs already. I am sure I will experience everything in due date, but just wanted to ask exp mongers what would they go for if they were in the same situation (and kind of the same mindset as me).

[Pessimist]

I am in the EU already, within driving distance of Germany, that's why I mentioned I can just drive to Germany but would have to fly to Madrid. About mentioning the brown non-EU part, the reason is that I have always felt a certain coolness from WGs in the north and Russians. Maybe Russians are a bit cold to everyone, I don't know and I am probably unfairly generalizing them. I know the FKKs are full of Romanian WGs, thus I am a bit skeptic about the GFE part which is quite important to me I never felt that in the south, thus I mentioned that as a possible positive point in favour of the south.

You are absolutely right, both are totally different experiences, and its pretty hard to choose one when I have not experienced FKKs already. I am sure I will experience everything in due date, but just wanted to ask exp mongers what would they go for if they were in the same situation (and kind of the same mindset as me).Well, I am not brown, so I can't say for sure. But then again, I have received indifferent service from WGs, and perhaps they gave good service to some others. Who knows why that could be? I have received good service and indifferent service from the same girls depending on the day.

I see brown, black, yellow and white dudes in these fuck clubs all the time and by and large they all seem to be happy to just be there. I would not overthink it. Just go, give it a try, and form your own opinion based on your own experience. If anything, you need multiple, repeat experiences to form a reasonably accurate view. And circumstances keep changing, so the reality itself could change over time. So, again, I come back to "just visit the FKKs and decide if they are for you or not" mantra.

BTW, if I read Steve correctly, he is saying he uses a service called Diva / others in London. I know he has written more than a report on this, just search these threads. He is here, can elaborate. I am not so sure if London is a great place to visit just to hook up with new sugarbabes. It is a super expensive city and the simple rule of thumb is that the expectations of girls with regards to allowance etc in such cities are quite high. When I paid for SBs in the expensive cities in the US, it was always higher or significantly higher than it is in heartland or the South / SE. Makes ample sense too.

If you are already in EU, why are you not trying to look up seeking in your vicinity for girls? Why come here and waste time? Pretty much most places in W Eu are fertile grounds for finding sugarbabes. Instead of going somewhere else, find what is available where you are at the moment.

[Elvis 2008]

What do you think I should do?Europe is one of the few places in the world I think having a car is kind of unnecessary.

I know FKKs are unique but if you are a one shot guy.

Average temps in Madrid in summer are highs in the high 80's and lows in the high 60's. Barcelona highs are mid 80's and you are 5 X less likely to have rain in those places than Frankfurt. Frankfurt has average highs in the high 70's and lows in the high 50's. For me, that means Spain over Germany in a landslide, but that is your call.

There is a vibrant escort scene in Madrid and Barcelona, and I saw many women in the 100 to 200 Euro range who were very doable. I think there are brothels in Spain where 50 Euros buys you a beauty. For a one shot guy, the women issue is a toss up.

You said there is more to do in Spain and liked Spanish women better.

Unlike in the USA where sex for money is forbidden and shamed, in countries where women are allowed to be working girls and not shamed as much, the sexual quality of working girls often beats those of sugar babies. I have not found that to be true in the USA. Not at all. Sugar baby sex in the USA blew working girl sex away by a mile.

All that is left then is the sugaring. I think we have covered the Latin v. German stereotype here so we will not go over it. So really it comes down to that for me and what your goals are.

European women do not have the reputation of being trafficked and do not need a visa. For you then is sugaring about having better sex or finding a long term partner? If it is not to find partner, then I would not even bother with sugaring. That is a huge reason to sugar in Mexico versus other Latin countries, the visa. Mexican women can get visas far easier than others, and I had one Mexican hottie I would fly in and fuck the hell out of. I wish I could do that with my current girl.

Spain has easy immigration for women from Latin America, and you can find the best of Colombia and Brazil there. Unless you really like German / Romanian women, to me, it is Spain in a landslide.

[Pessimist]

BTW, I love Russian girls. Can't think of any bad experience with a Russian girl, ever. Ditto re: Ukrainians. I wish I had more of those near me. If you have a shot at Russian girls, go for it and ignore their initial coolness if there is any. Sex is physical; ignore the vibe and have fun. They will come around.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks Steve, indeed I hadn't thought about London as an option, that's a great place to consider. I will research a bit on what are the general expectations of SA girls in London.Ok. So I admit to a bit of a disability. I am somewhat price insensitive! I forget the pound sterling is worth 1. 5 X the dollar. I tend to treat them the same. LOL. So a 200 Diva girl is $300. I suppose not exactly cheap but totally worth it. It's great fun to browse if nothing else because they list all the girls services and you can read reviews and it's all just above board because it's legal. Go to divaescort.com and go to the reviews page to find popular girls who were fucked today and read up on services etc.

I've only done Seeking twice in London and both were epic. One was a Viet 9 she wouldn't back off 250 and was worth every penny. And 350 for a Colombiana when I was desperate. But she brought her friend because it was her birthday. So we had a five hour Colombiana duo extravaganza (dinner and dancing included) for that 350 .

But yeah with SA there's dinner and drinks and all that too. So you are prob at $600/ night in London. I think Elvis had it right and Spain might be your best bet. But if you do go straight up incall escort then London is a top destination.

[Midwestern]

I was crushing on a few super hot 21-24 year-old MP HJ providers, but they all went nowhere. So, I stopped mongering for a while.

One day recently, I had some free time, so I checked out a new MP. I had very low expectations. Place was a dive, but my provider was pretty decent looking with a decent bod. However, she is totally uninterested, and goes through the motions, and eventually starts giving me a mechanical HJ. I decided to take some initiative, and started kissing her everywhere. She totally resists. But then I start to go south on her, and start kissing her on her pussy area. She resists, but I can tell she is kind of confused and surprised, and kind of starting to enjoy it. I keep at it. Eventually, I pull her skirt and panties off, but not without major resistance. I had to really work hard to get them off. And then I start to DATY. She instantly changes her attitude, gives up resistance, and she is loving it, moaning like crazy. I go at it for a few minutes, and she's totally wet. I take off my paper shorts and start rubbing my cock on the outside of her vagina. She is going crazy. And then, I slipped it in. And for the next 30 minutes, we are having the most passionate sex ever. She does not want to stop. Her hands are all over me. She is DFK-ing me passionately. Eventually, the phone in the room rings, and she tells the manager that we will extend the time. And then we go back to having more passionate sex. I tried to take it out, to rest for a bit, but she does not want to stop. She is all over me, her hands are all over me, she is holding me tightly and will not let go, and she is kissing me passionately, and I can tell from her breathing that she is just loving the passionate sex. We keep telling each other that we love each other so much. I love you. I love you too. I love you so much. Etc. LOL.

Eventually, after almost 2 hours of this, I have to leave, but she doesn't want to stop. It was just super passionate. Eventually, I said that I had to go, because I really had to go meet someone. After I shower, I give her $75, and she refuses it. She calls the front desk to say that we are done, and the manager is saying that we went for 3 hours, and she argues with him saying that it was only 2 hours, and saying that I should not be charged for 3 hours. And then I got her contact info and we hugged and I left.

I've been texting her ever since. We keep telling each other how crazy we are about each other. I asked her if she has sex with other customers, and she swears that she does not, and that no one is allowed to, and that it is illegal. She says that she is crazy about me.

What do you guys think? I know this is off topic, but if this is the real deal, then I will make her my SB, and so it is kind of on topic.

[Il Drago]

SA works great for me. You are the one with the shitty attitude. You should not be able sell your crappy service. Yes, I asked you a question. You replied with a bad attitude.Many guys contacted me & I helped them. They do not to waste time with scammers / cheaters on seeking. I did not want to help you as your attitude was shitty. You are crappy liar too. How do you know the quality of my service wen you never used it? Try seeking in Belgrade & Budapest & than you will know what I am talking about. They are eagerly waiting for suckers like you.

[Steve 9696]

I was crushing on a few super hot 21-24 year-old MP HJ providers, but they all went nowhere. So, I stopped mongering for a while.

One day recently, I had some free time, so I checked out a new MP. I had very low expectations. Place was a dive, but my provider was pretty decent looking with a decent bod. However, she is totally uninterested, and goes through the motions, and eventually starts giving me a mechanical HJ. I decided to take some initiative, and started kissing her everywhere. She totally resists. But then I start to go south on her, and start kissing her on her pussy area. She resists, but I can tell she is kind of confused and surprised, and kind of starting to enjoy it. I keep at it. Eventually, I pull her skirt and panties off, but not without major resistance. I had to really work hard to get them off. And then I start to DATY. She instantly changes her attitude, gives up resistance, and she is loving it, moaning like crazy. I go at it for a few minutes, and she's totally wet. I take off my paper shorts and start rubbing my cock on the outside of her vagina. She is going crazy. And then, I slipped it in. And for the next 30 minutes, we are having the most passionate sex ever. She does not want to stop. Her hands are all over me. She is DFK-ing me passionately. Eventually, the phone in the room rings, and she tells the manager that we will extend the time. And then we go back to having more passionate sex. I tried to take it out, to rest for a bit, but she does not want to stop. She is all over me, her hands are all over me, she is holding me tightly and will not let go, and she is kissing me passionately, and I can tell from her breathing that she is just loving the passionate sex. We keep telling each other that we love each other so much. I love you. I love you too. I love you so much. Etc. LOL.

Eventually, after almost 2 hours of this, I have to leave, but she doesn't want to stop. It was just super passionate. Eventually, I said that I had to go, because I really had to go meet someone. After I shower, I give her $75, and she refuses it. She calls the front desk to say that we are done, and the manager is saying that we went for 3 hours, and she argues with him saying that it was only 2 hours, and saying that I should not be charged for 3 hours. And then I got her contact info and we hugged and I left.

I've been texting her ever since. We keep telling each other how crazy we are about each other. I asked her if she has sex with other customers, and she swears that she does not, and that no one is allowed to, and that it is illegal. She says that she is crazy about me.

What do you guys think? I know this is off topic, but if this is the real deal, then I will make her my SB, and so it is kind of on topic.OMG. This is a great story. I think we often underestimate girl horniness. You were bold enough to get her worked up and her horniness and emotion was like a pent up tidal wave. So awesome. And bedding girls for free is never off topic. LOL.

To me the key play here is to not treat her like a hooker but don't let her believe you are going to get married either. A fine line. You are as good at this as any of us but I think one time you scared a girl off with too much money and it being transactional. You will have to play by ear. Prob keep money off the table at first. But she's going to be in love with you and your going to have to have a frank conversation before long that you love being WITH her but can never be more than BFGF. Best of luck and keep us posted.

[SfoCowboy]

Barcelona or Madrid; both cities give you great options. Flying within Euro is cheap.


I am in the EU already, within driving distance of Germany, that's why I mentioned I can just drive to Germany but would have to fly to Madrid. About mentioning the brown non-EU part, the reason is that I have always felt a certain coolness from WGs in the north and Russians. Maybe Russians are a bit cold to everyone, I don't know and I am probably unfairly generalizing them. I know the FKKs are full of Romanian WGs, thus I am a bit skeptic about the GFE part which is quite important to me I never felt that in the south, thus I mentioned that as a possible positive point in favour of the south.

You are absolutely right, both are totally different experiences, and its pretty hard to choose one when I have not experienced FKKs already. I am sure I will experience everything in due date, but just wanted to ask exp mongers what would they go for if they were in the same situation (and kind of the same mindset as me).

[Steve 9696]

Thank you for all the responses Guys, Madrid it is for this trip, with London being a very very close second. Only reason for not choosing London is that I will end up there on business anyways once travel reopens. Will report after my trip!Know you are thinking using SA but if you do the clubs The Cane and Payforit seem to have good intel tho maybe not updated for Covid. Good luck.

[Elvis 2008]

And then I start to DATY. She instantly changes her attitude, gives up resistance, and she is loving it, moaning like crazy. I go at it for a few minutes, and she's totally wet. I take off my paper shorts and start rubbing my cock on the outside of her vagina. She is going crazy. And then, I slipped it in. And for the next 30 minutes, we are having the most passionate sex ever. She does not want to stop. Her hands are all over me. She is DFK-ing me passionately. Eventually, the phone in the room rings, and she tells the manager that we will extend the time. And then we go back to having more passionate sex. I tried to take it out, to rest for a bit, but she does not want to stop. She is all over me, her hands are all over me, she is holding me tightly and will not let go, and she is kissing me passionately, and I can tell from her breathing that she is just loving the passionate sex. We keep telling each other that we love each other so much. I love you. I love you too. I love you so much. Etc. LOL. Nope, it cannot be true. You are too old. Women only want to fuck the young good looking types and she only wants you for your money. The fact that you have not paid her means nothing. She is clearly playing the long game.


I've been texting her ever since. We keep telling each other how crazy we are about each other. I asked her if she has sex with other customers, and she swears that she does not, and that no one is allowed to, and that it is illegal. She says that she is crazy about me.Oh, please, she is a working girl, and you are too naïve to see it.

Sorry, I had to get all that bullshit spewed at me out of my system. I have heard that BS for my encounters that are similar to yours, MW.

This kind of encounter has happened to me at least a dozen times. I had these stunning women not ask for anything, tell me how great a lover I was and I did not believe them. I was so conditioned in being a john and believing that women wanted the young studs and my money, and I was not secure. I had to not just believe I was a good lover, had to believe that I was not like the young ones who cum in 2 minutes, have no money, and are boring, insensitive, and insecure as shit. I had to not just know it but really feel it was true, and that took time. I have so much more to offer a woman now than I did 20 years ago, and I have grown so much as a person. I am not the type you show off to your girlfriends but I would want me as a boyfriend.

Mr. E, a poster on here, has the simplest definition of what a working girl is. He gives money to working girls and he does not to women who are not working girls. If you give her no money, she is not a working girl. Period.

One of the things I learned from my SBs is all these hot women with their supposedly glamourous lives and thousands of Instagram followers have close to zero in the bank which means we have a lot more power and control then we think. The thing about looks or money or whatever has to do with the attractant phase of a relationship. That matters only until you have sex. One thing in the manosphere that they are constantly bringing up is that 80% of women click on 20% of men and are constantly looking to trade up, and that is true in the attractant phase, but you are past that.

If women are content where they are, I do not see them looking to swing up. You are in the maintenance phase already and this is where the second study came in about what women valued in a relationship: 1. Kindness then 2. Support then 3. Intelligence. I think #4 is fun / having a sense of humor, but that was not in the poll. And very few people talk about the maintenance phase. It is all about the attractant phase.

I have a female friend who is so hot that she could get any guy for a night. When I asked if she could date a rich guys, she said she could but then she said, "I do not date rich guys. Rich guys are assholes. " Ever hear that from a woman before?

And I had a sugar baby I was dating back in the Dallas area for years. She was SI swim suit model material, and she started dating a guy who was so handsome he had fucked 3 of the top 10 best looking women in Dallas listed in what is called the magazine. Now I am married and fucking her as my SB all this time, so I do not care about the BF, but I got a front row seat on their relationship. She told me one time he picked her up in a Ferrari, and they got out, and everyone stared, and she loved that. That was the good part.

In addition to being an Adonis, he was really smart, talented, and unprincipled as fuck. He ripped off a bunch of people and went to prison. She married him so she could stay in touch. When in prison, he was selling nudes of her, and she got people telling her what went on when they were together. It turns out he was fucking other women the whole time as she worried constantly that was going on and had to do all she could to keep other women at bay. She got the marriage annulled and finally said to me, "I will never go out with a man who is better looking than me. " Ever hear that before from a woman?

IMO MW, guys who are good at the attractant phase but horrible at the maintenance phase are always trying to put the guys not good at the attractant phase down. They want to shake your confidence. Do not let them do it. Have your fun, MW. For you, the hard part is over with and let the good times roll.

[WyattEarp]

I've been texting her ever since. We keep telling each other how crazy we are about each other. I asked her if she has sex with other customers, and she swears that she does not, and that no one is allowed to, and that it is illegal. She says that she is crazy about me.

What do you guys think? I know this is off topic, but if this is the real deal, then I will make her my SB, and so it is kind of on topic.Sounds like making her a SB would be a fine thing. Perhaps you can have a nice, long-term SD / SB relationship. I'm sure you will keep in mind that you still met in a commercial arrangement. If not for intercourse for touchy-feely.

[Steve 9696]

So I guess you saw my post a couple days back on the new girl, where we went to the hotel and she balked but was super sweet and we worked it out with a BJ for the first date. Well we are on for our next date and that should seal the deal.

But what is great is she's playing the girlfriend game so well. Every morning since we met she says good morning and wishes me a great day. Or at night we chat about how the day was. I just love this part of feeling cared for.

Anyone else like just having a girlfriend with light text affection like this?

[SfoCowboy]

Pearls of wisdom.


Nope, it cannot be true. You are too old. Women only want to fuck the young good looking types and she only wants you for your money. The fact that you have not paid her means nothing. She is clearly playing the long game.

Oh, please, she is a working girl, and you are too nave to see it.

Sorry, I had to get all that bullshit spewed at me out of my system. I have heard that BS for my encounters that are similar to yours, MW.

This kind of encounter has happened to me at least a dozen times. I had these stunning women not ask for anything, tell me how great a lover I was and I did not believe them. I was so conditioned in being a john and believing that women wanted the young studs and my money, and I was not secure. I had to not just believe I was a good lover, had to believe that I was not like the young ones who cum in 2 minutes, have no money, and are boring, insensitive, and insecure as shit. I had to not just know it but really feel it was true, and that took time. I have so much more to offer a woman now than I did 20 years ago, and I have grown so much as a person. I am not the type you show off to your girlfriends but I would want me as a boyfriend.

Mr. E, a poster on here, has the simplest definition of what a working girl is. He gives money to working girls and he does not to women who are not working girls. If you give her no money, she is not a working girl. Period.

One of the things I learned from my SBs is all these hot women with their supposedly glamourous lives and thousands of Instagram followers have close to zero in the bank which means we have a lot more power and control then we think. The thing about looks or money or whatever has to do with the attractant phase of a relationship. That matters only until you have sex. One thing in the manosphere that they are constantly bringing up is that 80% of women click on 20% of men and are constantly looking to trade up, and that is true in the attractant phase, but you are past that.

If women are content where they are, I do not see them looking to swing up. You are in the maintenance phase already and this is where the second study came in about what women valued in a relationship: 1. Kindness then 2. Support then 3. Intelligence. I think #4 is fun / having a sense of humor, but that was not in the poll. And very few people talk about the maintenance phase. It is all about the attractant phase.

I have a female friend who is so hot that she could get any guy for a night. When I asked if she could date a rich guys, she said she could but then she said, "I do not date rich guys. Rich guys are assholes. " Ever hear that from a woman before?

And I had a sugar baby I was dating back in the Dallas area for years. She was SI swim suit model material, and she started dating a guy who was so handsome he had fucked 3 of the top 10 best looking women in Dallas listed in what is called the magazine. Now I am married and fucking her as my SB all this time, so I do not care about the BF, but I got a front row seat on their relationship. She told me one time he picked her up in a Ferrari, and they got out, and everyone stared, and she loved that. That was the good part.

In addition to being an Adonis, he was really smart, talented, and unprincipled as fuck. He ripped off a bunch of people and went to prison. She married him so she could stay in touch. When in prison, he was selling nudes of her, and she got people telling her what went on when they were together. It turns out he was fucking other women the whole time as she worried constantly that was going on and had to do all she could to keep other women at bay. She got the marriage annulled and finally said to me, "I will never go out with a man who is better looking than me. " Ever hear that before from a woman?

IMO MW, guys who are good at the attractant phase but horrible at the maintenance phase are always trying to put the guys not good at the attractant phase down. They want to shake your confidence. Do not let them do it. Have your fun, MW. For you, the hard part is over with and let the good times roll.

[Midwestern]

Just following up on my last post. I still cannot believe I had two hours of passionate sex in an MP. And it was bareback (yeah, I know that part was stupid). This never happens.

We kept texting yesterday, and she started asking me all kinds of questions, like how long I plan to stay in China, and about my family situation. She then asked me to set her up with a boyfriend, and I said that I wanted to be her boyfriend, and then she said I'm married, and then I said that I wasn't (yeah, I know this was stupid too).

Her story is that she just arrived to Shanghai. And so this probably explains why she was puzzled that I offered her a tip, because she's not aware that foreigners tip at these places, especially after what we just did. She also recently broke up with her boyfriend before she moved to Shanghai, and so maybe she's both horny and lonely. And she said she was thinking about leaving Shanghai because she was homesick.

She lives in a dorm with 5 roommates. I told her to get an appointment and I'll pay for it. She said it'll coast $450-$600 per month, and I said that's fine. So she said she'the look around, but she didn't seem gun-ho about it. Maybe she knows our initial attraction is all temporary.

Anyway, I'm just dumbfounded. Just cannot believe how fast and easy this is all happening. So, I know it's too good to be true. But I'm really hoping I can SB her. The sex was amazing, as if it was with a real GF and as if she was genuinely crazy about me.

Is she playing me? Probably. But it's not like I'm going to marry her. We will see where this goes. But it was great to break my four month dry spell. I plan on seeing her again later this week.

[Midwestern]

Your post a couple of days back was awesome. And yeah, I like the texting. Even when it's with a WG, I love it when we text regularly. To me, the texting makes it feel like they either really like me, or they are good at faking it, and I'm fine either way. But this is why I seek SBs.


So I guess you saw my post a couple days back on the new girl, where we went to the hotel and she balked but was super sweet and we worked it out with a BJ for the first date. Well we are on for our next date and that should seal the deal.

But what is great is she's playing the girlfriend game so well. Every morning since we met she says good morning and wishes me a great day. Or at night we chat about how the day was. I just love this part of feeling cared for.

Anyone else like just having a girlfriend with light text affection like this?.

[Steve 9696]

Wow. I almost totally stuck my big old man foot in my new SB relationship!

We are supposed to meet up and as you know I don't know that she is comfortable with the whole idea.

She texts me and says "I can't believe I'm calling out so we can have fun. Feel kinda guilty. ".

And me knowing the words "out call" and knowing she is a bit uncomfortable almost launch into the "it's not really sex for money" logic — not in so many words but you know.

Well fortunately I looked up "calling out" as a slang and it said it was a phrase for skipping work!

Só she was saying she feels guilty for skipping work to have sex with me. LOL. Ok babe. Get that. Damn glad I didn't step in it! Good reminder that we have to watch these text interactions very carefully. It's two diffferent generations talking here!

[Elvis 2008]

Wow. I almost totally stuck my big old man foot in my new SB relationship!

It's two diffferent generations talking here!You should try Spanish to English. I was with a former gal and was buying her canned food in a store and the food was marked in English. We came across canned crab and I told her to buy some. When she asked what is was, I spoke into my phone the phrase a can of crab and the translation came up una lata de mierda. I am not sure if the translation was totally wrong; crab is good shit after all.

[Steve 9696]

Yes, I see Payforit replied to me in the Madrid forum. Thank you Steve, and looking forward to reading more about your latest conquest!Very timely. Saw My girl from Sunday who I surprised with the hotel and eeked out a blowjob. We met again and did dinner and hotel and are officially on now. Solid BJ, sex in multiple positions, her def getting off a couple times. Two solid rounds. She's fun because she's just young and free and very transparent. Been with five guys lifetime. I think she's surprised by my old guy sex stamina and equally surprised that I can go two rounds.

Round two was kinda fun because it was seduction and challenge. She said I'the never cum a second time. I kept her on BJ and got her to do doe eyes etc. She would stop and say I'm not going to cum. And I'the say yes I am. Just a bit more. And she was probably down there off and on for twenty minutes where upon I built to a nice shot on my tummy. She was surprised.

The other fun thing is she's never let a guy cum in her mouth. Almost did it today but she's going to save it for next time. It's just kinda fun to be the guy bringing her out of her sexual shell a bit. I truly think she enjoys the company of an older experienced man and we are going to have a lot more fun together.

[Gunners1]

Remember I had posted recently about my lists and sough help in ending my long relationship with a SB.

Well on my list was a super super hot 22 y Colombian lawyer. I got her a pretty decent job and helped her out to settle into the new city.

I made a mistake on not pre agreeing the arrangement. And she was flirty and talking with me till she got all her things sorted.

We were to meet for a few hours and she also suggested to book a room for the night. She brought all her lingerie and bikini to hang out by the pool. I got in the hotel after work as she checked in before me and sent me hot videos and pics of her in the room waiting.

Once I reached. And I showered and got under the sheets, she was like. What. " are you planning on making love with me? This is not what she had in mind.

It all crumbled and I just checked out of the room and called it a hopeless case of being used.

These things do happen. I have to move on.

Just wanted to let you guys know.

G.

[Midwestern]

Hey Gunners, I am confused. You helped her get a job before you had any intimate time with her? So, your MO was to help her, and then expect her to show her appreciation in bed? Man, that's a risky play. My guess is that she knows your real name now too. Correct? You going to be okay with this?

In any event, sorry it did not go as planned. Weird that she was willing to spend the night with you in a hotel room. Maybe you could have wined and dined her and that may have led to some night fun? But cutting bait early is also a smart play.


Remember I had posted recently about my lists and sough help in ending my long relationship with a SB.

Well on my list was a super super hot 22 y Colombian lawyer. I got her a pretty decent job and helped her out to settle into the new city.

I made a mistake on not pre agreeing the arrangement. And she was flirty and talking with me till she got all her things sorted.

We were to meet for a few hours and she also suggested to book a room for the night. She brought all her lingerie and bikini to hang out by the pool. I got in the hotel after work as she checked in before me and sent me hot videos and pics of her in the room waiting.

Once I reached. And I showered and got under the sheets, she was like. What. " are you planning on making love with me? This is not what she had in mind.

It all crumbled and I just checked out of the room and called it a hopeless case of being used.

These things do happen. I have to move on.

Just wanted to let you guys know.

G.

[Midwestern]

Congrats, man. Happy for you!


Very timely. Saw My girl from Sunday who I surprised with the hotel and eeked out a blowjob. We met again and did dinner and hotel and are officially on now. Solid BJ, sex in multiple positions, her def getting off a couple times. Two solid rounds. She's fun because she's just young and free and very transparent. Been with five guys lifetime. I think she's surprised by my old guy sex stamina and equally surprised that I can go two rounds.

Round two was kinda fun because it was seduction and challenge. She said I'the never cum a second time. I kept her on BJ and got her to do doe eyes etc. She would stop and say I'm not going to cum. And I'the say yes I am. Just a bit more. And she was probably down there off and on for twenty minutes where upon I built to a nice shot on my tummy. She was surprised.

The other fun thing is she's never let a guy cum in her mouth. Almost did it today but she's going to save it for next time. It's just kinda fun to be the guy bringing her out of her sexual shell a bit. I truly think she enjoys the company of an older experienced man and we are going to have a lot more fun together..

[Midwestern]

I saw her again today. At the MP. We just started barebacking almost immediately. And we went at it for 3 hours! Multiple positions, several times each. She shags superbly, especially when she is on top. She just did not want to stop. Kept begging me to keep going. She kept saying that she loved me, that she wants to be my girlfriend, that she wants to be my wife, etc. Passionate GFE and DFK.

Guys, this simply does not happen. And so, I am just dumbfounded.

Anyway, eventually, I had to go. I again offered a tip, but she just looked at it with disdain and did not want to take it. This time, I insisted. I said that as her boyfriend, I should take care of her.

I also ended up paying for three one-hour massages. The two guys at the front desk were also dumbfounded when I paid. After all, who the hell goes into a happy ending MP before 1 pm and comes out after 4 pm?

Anyway, she started looking around for apartments. I will pay her rent. That's the plan for now. Not sure if she expects a monthly allowance. Maybe she is eyeing the long game. But I cannot even speak Chinese, so not sure why she thinks the long game is doable.

Before I left, she asked if we could go bar hopping sometime. Maybe she is really into me. She also asked about my sleeping situation, to confirm that I sleep alone.

I asked her if she has kids and I asked her age. She just kept changing the topic or made jokes. She could have easily lied about both, but decided to just dodge the questions. Maybe this is a good sign.

By the way, an hour later, I looked at myself in the bathroom and to my shock and horror, my mouth was covered in lipstick!! OMG, I wonder how many people saw that? Man, I need to be more careful (says the guy who barebacks women that work in HJ MPs).


Just following up on my last post. I still cannot believe I had two hours of passionate sex in an MP. And it was bareback (yeah, I know that part was stupid). This never happens.

We kept texting yesterday, and she started asking me all kinds of questions, like how long I plan to stay in China, and about my family situation. She then asked me to set her up with a boyfriend, and I said that I wanted to be her boyfriend, and then she said I'm married, and then I said that I wasn't (yeah, I know this was stupid too).

Her story is that she just arrived to Shanghai. And so this probably explains why she was puzzled that I offered her a tip, because she's not aware that foreigners tip at these places, especially after what we just did. She also recently broke up with her boyfriend before she moved to Shanghai, and so maybe she's both horny and lonely. And she said she was thinking about leaving Shanghai because she was homesick.

She lives in a dorm with 5 roommates. I told her to get an appointment and I'll pay for it. She said it'll coast $450-$600 per month, and I said that's fine. So she said she'the look around, but she didn't seem gun-ho about it. Maybe she knows our initial attraction is all temporary.

Anyway, I'm just dumbfounded. Just cannot believe how fast and easy this is all happening. So, I know it's too good to be true. But I'm really hoping I can SB her. The sex was amazing, as if it was with a real GF and as if she was genuinely crazy about me.

Is she playing me? Probably. But it's not like I'm going to marry her. We will see where this goes. But it was great to break my four month dry spell. I plan on seeing her again later this week.

[Steve 9696]

This is awesome! I know it's confusing in these situations and you always want to protect urself. But she is not playing the long game as In trying to fleece you. She may be playing the long game that she hopes to marry you. At least thats what I think. Course I was fleeced once. LOL.

A few reasons I don't think she's trying to scam you in some long con. Three hours of fucking is excessive especially when she could actually lose her job over it. The lipstick thing. Look pros are really sensitive to "blowing it" because they've dealt with this situation a lot and she is not. Of course she doesn't think you are married either. Surely the desk guys saw the lipstick tho and didn't care. LOL. Watch for makeup and perfume too. You know this but sometimes we get so good at the game we get sloppy.

Most importantly don't overdo the cash. Paying her apt is plenty. Don't make her feel like a ho. Because that could kill the whole thing.

Congrats dude. You pushed the boundaries and they gave way. Enjoy it.

[Gunners1]

She doesn't know my real name and she doesn't know my real phone number.

It's a long story. I sent her cv to a friend of mine and he sent it to the HR dept. So during the interview she was never asked if she knew me, because the HR guy doesn't know me.

Yes, I should have wined and dines, but with the pics, videos and texts she was exchanging, it looks like it was all set for the return favor.

Anyway. We learn.

G.


Hey Gunners, I am confused. You helped her get a job before you had any intimate time with her? So, your MO was to help her, and then expect her to show her appreciation in bed? Man, that's a risky play. My guess is that she knows your real name now too. Correct? You going to be okay with this?

In any event, sorry it did not go as planned. Weird that she was willing to spend the night with you in a hotel room. Maybe you could have wined and dined her and that may have led to some night fun? But cutting bait early is also a smart play.

[Steve 9696]

So I have executed the Hotwire "get the exact hotel at steep discount" scheme several times since I mentioned in this thread. And when you book on Hotwire (other sites too I am sure) they only ask name and email and phone. All of which are Ok.

But when you checkin the hotel clerk ask for ID and start keying in your address! Fuck no I don't want that in there. Like they might send a survey or something. I've asked them to not put it in but that's a bit awkward and they usually insist.

Instead what I do now is when they start to key in my DL address I say "oh I don't live there anymore" and they ask my current address. Which of course you can just make up. This seems an easy way to get around this. Hope this tip helps.

[Pessimist]

Remember I had posted recently about my lists and sough help in ending my long relationship with a SB.

Well on my list was a super super hot 22 y Colombian lawyer. I got her a pretty decent job and helped her out to settle into the new city.

I made a mistake on not pre agreeing the arrangement. And she was flirty and talking with me till she got all her things sorted.

We were to meet for a few hours and she also suggested to book a room for the night. She brought all her lingerie and bikini to hang out by the pool. I got in the hotel after work as she checked in before me and sent me hot videos and pics of her in the room waiting.

Once I reached. And I showered and got under the sheets, she was like. What. " are you planning on making love with me? This is not what she had in mind.

It all crumbled and I just checked out of the room and called it a hopeless case of being used.

These things do happen. I have to move on.

Just wanted to let you guys know.

G.She had completed her law degree by the age of 22? Impressive. This is in the US?

I don't believe she used you. Did she make an explicit promise? You had built up hopes when perhaps none were warranted. Sounds like she may led you on though. Or changed her mind. She is entitled to do so, if she wants.

How did you help her land a job? Is it in your firm? In the US, that could be dangerous, helping someone get hired and then trying to sleep with them. Oh boy! In fact, if it is in your company, this situation is fraught with risks, dangers, compromised situations and conflicts of interest in pretty much any country.

[Gunners1]

Neither a law firm not at my work place.

Moving on. For now.

G.


She had completed her law degree by the age of 22? Impressive. This is in the US?

I don't believe she used you. Did she make an explicit promise? You had built up hopes when perhaps none were warranted. Sounds like she may led you on though. Or changed her mind. She is entitled to do so, if she wants.

How did you help her land a job? Is it in your firm? In the US, that could be dangerous, helping someone get hired and then trying to sleep with them. Oh boy! In fact, if it is in your company, this situation is fraught with risks, dangers, compromised situations and conflicts of interest in pretty much any country.

[Midwestern]

(1) What if your SB wants to go your place? What should you say? (This is likely to happen if you lied about your home situation.).

(2) What if your SB wants to meet in the evening? (I can only meet her during the day. In the evening, I'm usually home. I can duck out on occasion, but it'll become suspicious if I do it often.).

(3) What if your SB wants you to spend the night at her place? What should you say? (I definitely cannot do this given my home situation.).

Yeah, I know, we shouldn't lie about home situation, but my current SB target will not be with me if I am not single. In fact, given that I plan on only paying her rent and nothing else, she may view herself as more of a GF then an SB.

Thanks for any suggestions.

[DramaFree11]

(1) What if your SB wants to go your place? What should you say? (This is likely to happen if you lied about your home situation.).

(2) What if your SB wants to meet in the evening? (I can only meet her during the day. In the evening, I'm usually home. I can duck out on occasion, but it'll become suspicious if I do it often.).

(3) What if your SB wants you to spend the night at her place? What should you say? (I definitely cannot do this given my home situation.).

Yeah, I know, we shouldn't lie about home situation, but my current SB target will not be with me if I am not single. In fact, given that I plan on only paying her rent and nothing else, she may view herself as more of a GF then an SB.

Thanks for any suggestions.Funny, I have nixed the day game. My phone or her phone will be ringing the whole time. I say 20% of the girls I have met in the states can only meet during the day, I decline.

I do meet girls during the day in Mexico. , but my time is limited. Nothing wrong with a girl spending the night, probably best to have a couple meetings first.

[BrizLad]

(1) What if your SB wants to go your place? What should you say? (This is likely to happen if you lied about your home situation.).
I'm in a similar situation. For me I say that I have a older daughter at home. Oh you want to come now? Let me see if she's home. Sorry can't come now.



(2) What if your SB wants to meet in the evening? (I can only meet her during the day. In the evening, I'm usually home. I can duck out on occasion, but it'll become suspicious if I do it often.).Yes, I can meet you next Tuesday / Wednesday evening. No worries. In the mean time let's meet today at your place. Then cancel on the Tuesday eveinng plan.




(3) What if your SB wants you to spend the night at her place? What should you say? (I definitely cannot do this given my home situation.).
That's a great idea to stay over. Next Tuesday night? Great. Let's meet today at your place anyway. Later in the week, Oh wait, I have early work on Wednesday. Let's try another time. Maybe you can do it on an out of town visit while home office thinks you are away.



Yeah, I know, we shouldn't lie about home situation, but my current SB target will not be with me if I am not single. In fact, given that I plan on only paying her rent and nothing else, she may view herself as more of a GF then an SB.

Thanks for any suggestions.My impression is that with this one it's not going to be a long term solution. The best arrangements happen for us when we can be open and less covering of our tracks. Do a couple of PPM and move on I think or open up.

[Midwestern]

BL,

All excellent suggestions. I used the daughter one, and I'm hoping it can be a long run solution. But I agree with you 100% that being honest way more likely leads to a longer SB SD relationship.


I'm in a similar situation. For me I say that I have a older daughter at home. Oh you want to come now? Let me see if she's home. Sorry can't come now.

Yes, I can meet you next Tuesday / Wednesday evening. No worries. In the mean time let's meet today at your place. Then cancel on the Tuesday eveinng plan.

That's a great idea to stay over. Next Tuesday night? Great. Let's meet today at your place anyway. Later in the week, Oh wait, I have early work on Wednesday. Let's try another time. Maybe you can do it on an out of town visit while home office thinks you are away.

My impression is that with this one it's not going to be a long term solution. The best arrangements happen for us when we can be open and less covering of our tracks. Do a couple of PPM and move on I think or open up.

[Midwestern]

I saw her again, and we had passionate bareback sex for 2. 5 hours in the MP. The weird thing was that she kept calling me her husband, about 30-50 times. She kept saying I love you husband. That was really weird.

While we cuddled, I gave her money for the apartment. And then she asked me if I was going to live there or at least spend the night there. I said I cannot. She was speechless and suddenly all the happiness was sucked out of the room. She asked me why I couldn't sleep there, and I used Brizlad's great suggestion and said my daughter lives with me. She then asked me again if I was single and I said I was. Then she asked if she could come to my place sometime, and I had to think quickly and I said I live in service apartment and my colleagues live there too. However, I over-explained this, so it came across as a lie, I am sure.

She then asked me if I ever wanted another kid, and I said no. Then she said she wants a kid. But I said that I didn't. Her mood was totally somber. She was so happy while we were fucking. But suddenly she was getting the picture.

I'm still confused about what's going on. She works in HJ MP. So far, our entire relationship is we met three times, and we spent almost all of it barebacking. Almost from the beginning. Why did she bareback me right from the beginning, and for no tip? And did she really think we were going to end up together?


I saw her again today. At the MP. We just started barebacking almost immediately. And we went at it for 3 hours! Multiple positions, several times each. She shags superbly, especially when she is on top. She just did not want to stop. Kept begging me to keep going. She kept saying that she loved me, that she wants to be my girlfriend, that she wants to be my wife, etc. Passionate GFE and DFK.

Guys, this simply does not happen. And so, I am just dumbfounded.

Anyway, eventually, I had to go. I again offered a tip, but she just looked at it with disdain and did not want to take it. This time, I insisted. I said that as her boyfriend, I should take care of her.

I also ended up paying for three one-hour massages. The two guys at the front desk were also dumbfounded when I paid. After all, who the hell goes into a happy ending MP before 1 pm and comes out after 4 pm?

Anyway, she started looking around for apartments. I will pay her rent. That's the plan for now. Not sure if she expects a monthly allowance. Maybe she is eyeing the long game. But I cannot even speak Chinese, so not sure why she thinks the long game is doable.

Before I left, she asked if we could go bar hopping sometime. Maybe she is really into me. She also asked about my sleeping situation, to confirm that I sleep alone.

I asked her if she has kids and I asked her age. She just kept changing the topic or made jokes. She could have easily lied about both, but decided to just dodge the questions. Maybe this is a good sign.

By the way, an hour later, I looked at myself in the bathroom and to my shock and horror, my mouth was covered in lipstick!! OMG, I wonder how many people saw that? Man, I need to be more careful (says the guy who barebacks women that work in HJ MPs).

[Steve 9696]

I saw her again, and we had passionate bareback sex for 2. 5 hours in the MP. The weird thing was that she kept calling me her husband, about 30-50 times. She kept saying I love you husband. That was really weird.

While we cuddled, I gave her money for the apartment. And then she asked me if I was going to live there or at least spend the night there. I said I cannot. She was speechless and suddenly all the happiness was sucked out of the room. She asked me why I couldn't sleep there, and I used Brizlad's great suggestion and said my daughter lives with me. She then asked me again if I was single and I said I was. Then she asked if she could come to my place sometime, and I had to think quickly and I said I live in service apartment and my colleagues live there too. However, I over-explained this, so it came across as a lie, I am sure.

She then asked me if I ever wanted another kid, and I said no. Then she said she wants a kid. But I said that I didn't. Her mood was totally somber. She was so happy while we were fucking. But suddenly she was getting the picture.

I'm still confused about what's going on. She works in HJ MP. So far, our entire relationship is we met three times, and we spent almost all of it barebacking. Almost from the beginning. Why did she bareback me right from the beginning, and for no tip? And did she really think we were going to end up together?Dude. Much as I envy you fucking this hottie bareback I think you are entering dangerous territory. She sounds a bit more than a little whacked and it would not surprise me if she is TRYING to have your baby right now and hopes to rope you in. (Are you snipped?

Fun as it may be sounds like it could go all Fatal Attraction in a heartbeat. I'the be real careful.

[Steve 9696]

Of course I have no idea what is really going on but here are some further ideas.

You said she is new there and homesick. Is she young also? Maybe she is just started in this MP thing and not yet jaded. She views sex in a very romantic way. Like we see in the movies. That sex and love and marriage all go together. The big lie. But maybe she believes it. So to her passionate sex Means love and that leads to marriage. There is no question when you are new to sex that you develop powerful (and probably false) attraction and caring for the other person ie love.

I think you should have a sit down talk like the following:

I like you very much but I can never be your husband. I have been married before and come to learn that I don't believe in marriage and one person with another forever. So I will never marry again. We should enjoy each other as long as we can but we can never be more than boyfriend and girlfriend. Some day U will find a husband and that is good. I will be very happy for you.

On the coming to your place thing I'the use the daughter saying your daughter is home most all the time. Plus I have lived alone so long I do not enjoy being overnight with someone else. I am sorry.

Of course this could kill it all but I think it's better to manage expectations than be fucking her where she believes she's working towards an LTR. That's just uncool IMO.

[Nounce]

Of course this could kill it all but I think it's better to manage expectations than be fucking her where she believes she's working towards an LTR. That's just uncool IMO.My friend Tom met a girl who wanted to visit his place and stayed overnight on the first date. Tom is single so they met at his home. Tom told me the girl has a child with a married man when she was working a normal job in another country several years ago. The man lied to her and she found out the man was married after she was pregnant. The married man wanted to give her money but she wouldn't take it and went back to her own country to have the child.

[GeneHickman]

Gentlemen,

I wanted to alert you all that I am seeing quite a few underage girls misrepresenting their age on SA in Colombia. I know many punters have started using it, but it's obviously an issue that is getting more common. The first time it happened I thought it was a one off, but it's happened 3 times. Not a single time in Feb when I last hunted for contacts. Of the 3, they listed their ages as 18, 19 and 21. My screener is set to 18-26. They all said they were attending university, and went along with the banter, which I quickly took to a messaging app. Even we did discuss our expectations of our time together and economic help I could provide, Luckily I never asked for nor did I get any nudes, just regular pictures(though in one case I was offered them for money which I fortunately declined). The key question before any others is, do you have your cedula. Now legitimately Covid has messed up the just turned 18 this past year crowd, as between the covid closures, the economic malaise and the riots, it was not normal processing. Also what usually takes a month is apparently now closer 2-3 months. Either way the economic desperation is causing some to enlist and if you aren't super careful the risks are enormous for obvious reasons. Even extortion plots are not out of the question.
After calling things off, one even had the temerity to say it was OK because her mom had given authorization. I couldn't delete that number quick enough.
Be careful out there fellas.

[DramaFree11]

Gentlemen,

I wanted to alert you all that I am seeing quite a few underage girls misrepresenting their age on SA in Colombia. I know many punters have started using it, but it's obviously an issue that is getting more common. The first time it happened I thought it was a one off, but it's happened 3 times. Not a single time in Feb when I last hunted for contacts. Of the 3, they listed their ages as 18, 19 and 21. My screener is set to 18-26. They all said they were attending university, and went along with the banter, which I quickly took to a messaging app. Even we did discuss our expectations of our time together and economic help I could provide, Luckily I never asked for nor did I get any nudes, just regular pictures(though in one case I was offered them for money which I fortunately declined). The key question before any others is, do you have your cedula. Now legitimately Covid has messed up the just turned 18 this past year crowd, as between the covid closures, the economic malaise and the riots, it was not normal processing. Also what usually takes a month is apparently now closer 2-3 months. Either way the economic desperation is causing some to enlist and if you aren't super careful the risks are enormous for obvious reasons. Even extortion plots are not out of the question.
After calling things off, one even had the temerity to say it was OK because her mom had given authorization. I couldn't delete that number quick enough.
Be careful out there fellas.This is just one of the many issues with Colombia. Guys talk about it a little, but yes it is a problem there. I will never go back. For me Mexico is a 1000 times better. The girls, food, service and weather all so much better. Not to mention the girls shitty attitudes in Colombia, is one of the biggest turn off for me. I just blocked a girl from Colombia that was In MTY, the minute she mentioned MDE I was turned off. I never recall a Mexican girl, telling me how hot they are. Colombia girls are the opposite, they always tell me how hot they are. Honestly I do not find there fake tits and big asses attractive at all. I prefer the tall and slender girls I am meeting in MTY much better. I do like fake tits if, there not to big.

Not mention I feel much safer in Mexico, then I did in MDE.

[MiamiBoy1]

Hey gents,

How do you transition from covered FS to bareback? I have met a good number of SA girls in Mexico and Colombia, but never had a bareback experience (only once actually, but we were drunk and got back to covered FS on the next date, so it does not count). Is it something that usually happens a few weeks / months deep into the relationship after you build enough trust / chemistry? Yes, I have had many GFE sessions, DFK and BBBJ are the norm, but when it comes to bareback FS girls are very resistant and scared AF. Even those with whom I had, in my opinion, a great chemistry (or maybe not so great? LOL) refused to fuck bare.

I'm reading multiple reports here where you guys manage to bareback on the very first date. How is it even possible?

P.S.: Yes, I assume all the risks, there is no need to discuss possible consequences.

[Pessimist]

Hey gents,

How do you transition from covered FS to bareback? I have met a good number of SA girls in Mexico and Colombia, but never had a bareback experience (only once actually, but we were drunk and got back to covered FS on the next date, so it does not count). Is it something that usually happens a few weeks / months deep into the relationship after you build enough trust / chemistry? Yes, I have had many GFE sessions, DFK and BBBJ are the norm, but when it comes to bareback FS girls are very resistant and scared AF. Even those with whom I had, in my opinion, a great chemistry (or maybe not so great? LOL) refused to fuck bare.

I'm reading multiple reports here where you guys manage to bareback on the very first date. How is it even possible?

P.S.: Yes, I assume all the risks, there is no need to discuss possible consequences.I had a few BB girls. It is not something I actively seek. When they happened, they happened naturally and initiated by the girl. Only one girl provided in the first session, another on the second time we had sex. I always made sure to mention I have protection handy. In fact, unless I know the girl well I actually prefer covered sex and quite often I prefer covered sex with even girls I have known for a while. But that one who I had bareback fuck on the first sex date, she was superhot and I was going to meet her only a few times (she was in town for a temporary visit) and I yielded to the temptation.

Bottomline, I don't ask for it, I don't force it. Perhaps if I am seeing someone for months I might go there but then again if she has multiple other relationships that I know of, I might stay with covered sex. It all depends. I can live w / o bareback sex with sugarbabes, that is for sure.

Anal sex is the same way; it is typically not a high priority for me. Again, I don't ask for it. But a few girls offered, I accepted a few times. Unlike in FKKs and WGs, the good thing about sugarbabes is that nothing is ever an extra. She either grants it or not, but I go w / the flow.

[Elvis 2008]

Gentlemen,

I wanted to alert you all that I am seeing quite a few underage girls misrepresenting their age on SA in Colombia. I know many punters have started using it, but it's obviously an issue that is getting more common. The first time it happened I thought it was a one off, but it's happened 3 times. Not a single time in Feb when I last hunted for contacts. Of the 3, they listed their ages as 18, 19 and 21. My screener is set to 18-26. They all said they were attending university, and went along with the banter, which I quickly took to a messaging app. Even we did discuss our expectations of our time together and economic help I could provide, Luckily I never asked for nor did I get any nudes, just regular pictures(though in one case I was offered them for money which I fortunately declined). The key question before any others is, do you have your cedula. Now legitimately Covid has messed up the just turned 18 this past year crowd, as between the covid closures, the economic malaise and the riots, it was not normal processing. Also what usually takes a month is apparently now closer 2-3 months. Either way the economic desperation is causing some to enlist and if you aren't super careful the risks are enormous for obvious reasons. Even extortion plots are not out of the question.
After calling things off, one even had the temerity to say it was OK because her mom had given authorization. I couldn't delete that number quick enough.
Be careful out there fellas.GH, I asked one for her birthday when I wanted to meet her. She could not give it to me. She said I will pay for it myself. Six months later, I saw her on her Instagram page celebrating her 18th birthday.

It is a reason to be weary but the feds take a very grim view of extortion.

It really speaks volumes about how stupid and sexist our country is. A guy tried to follow the law, the girl lies, and the man is at fault? I had someone try to pull that extortion stunt with me in Mexico. After seeing a gal, a Mexican man texted me and pretended he was the woman's GF and said she was under age. He said he could make it all go away if I paid him. The woman had her ID on file at the hotel, and it showed she was 22. I looked at the local laws and talked to a local woman. In Mexico, what I learned is that if a woman lies about her age or has a fake ID, the police rarely do anything. Imagine that.

Anyway, if there is any doubt about a woman, tell her you will buy her a plane ticket where she has to show ID. If she refuses, move on.

[Elvis 2008]

Hey gents,

How do you transition from covered FS to bareback?I ask: what the woman is afraid of doing bareback? If it is getting pregnant, I buy Plan be pills. If it is diseases, I offer to pay for testing for both of us.

However, you are already wrong about how you go about it. I hide my condoms deep in my suitcase instead of leaving them out. I get bare probably 3 out of 4 times and expect to get it. Out of that, I would say 3 out of 4 women put it in voluntarily. One in 4 times I do it. I pull out when I cum. When done, I clean up my mess and give them Plan be pills afterwards if they are not on birth control. You can buy plan be in Mexico and Colombia for like a buck or two a pill. I make sure I see the women swallow the pills after we are done.

Now here is the controversial part where we will have the CDC nazis chime in. With Covid, the CDC said stay home and stay safe, but studies showed 75% of the time Covid was transmitted at home. The one phrase that early on the crisis that was repeated was some millennial stoner saying, "Man, I am going to party on the beach, if I get Covid, I get Covid. " This guy had to apologize but of all the places in the world, the best place to not catch Covid was the beach. The CDC nazis were wrong.

Those wanting to get their CDC application for safe mongering badge approved, and we have dozens here, will tell you bareback is dangerous.

Condoms were designed for pregnancy prevention not STD prevention, and outside of pregnancy prevention, I think the Covid analogy is apt. Outside of pregnancy prevention, I liken using a condom to staying home with Covid; like staying at home was more dangerous than being at the beach, IMO I think using condoms is more dangerous than not using them due to latex allergies, but again that is just my opinion.

So I just proceed like I am going to bareback and expect that and I am going to get it and make the women stop and bring up condom use. Women are amazing about this though. So many will pick up on the fact that if I do not get my way, I am done with them. They just somehow know that I want bareback and give it to me.

But if one stops and says, "Do you have a condom? I go into being a dick mode. I will often stop the passion (if the chick is really hot, I might just put on the condom and proceed) sigh and say, "Why do you need a condom?" like she is the dumbest person on the planet. She gives the explanation. If it is pregnancy, I say I have plan be. About one in three women will let me fuck them bare after I tell them that. But two out of three times, she does not give me an explanation but says she is just more comfortable. I then say to her, "Well, look sex is not as good for me when I wear a condom. Also I have had a latex allergy (I actually had some penile bumps with condom use once or twice with an off brand which is the most common latex reaction) and there is a chance I could die from the latex. Do you know how many people die of latex allergies per year?" Of course, she does not know about how many die nor about latex allergies which makes her feel even more stupid.

When we finish up, I will then ask her "What is it going to take for us to have sex without a condom?" If it is fear of STDs, I will agree to get tested which is cheaper abroad than in the USA sex prison and pay for her testing.

The key here is that I am letting the women know I am going to see them less and give lower gifts if we use a condom because my pleasure is less. Chances are really good if she is not a 9 in looks and in the sack, I am done with her. I get bareback that often.

Thing that changed my mind about bareback sex was a massive study in 2002 that showed condoms did not work for most STDs and seeing how high the rate of latex allergies were. The CDC nazis will say that study was debunked. It was not.

I have always been amazed how people worry about the wrong thing. With Covid, the biggest risk was the family dinner not social distancing at Walmart. With sex with women, it is very common that they get bladder infections after sex and that infection can ascend into the kidney and cause sepsis and possible death. And you know how many women have mentioned to me this very real risk? Zero. But they are all worried about AIDS even though they know no other women who got AIDS through sex.

With guys, it is not AIDS but the contact things. Herpes, crabs, warts. Condoms probably help a little for that, but the studies show that their help is not statistically significant. But the biggest issue is really not a STD type of bacteria. When you fuck a woman, you get her good bacteria on your dick and then you go to another woman and introduce that foreign bacteria into her. The good bacteria become bad as this woman not used to it. That can cause an infection in her called bacterial vaginosis (BV) and is again incredibly common. So for that, I always wash up afterwards.

Thing is that BV smells. So if after washing my dick if it is not smelling Irish Spring clean, then I will take the medication for BV. I am not going to mention what that is here. If a woman smells of BV, then I will take the medication afterwards as well even if I use a condom.

There was an old rap song in the 80's with the line, "If it don't smell, it ain't no good. " and it probably has some truth to it. More experienced women, who are likely better in bed and have had multiple partners, are more apt to smell.

Anyway, that is my patient pending method to getting bareback in seeking women.

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[BrizLad]

I ask: what the woman is afraid of doing bareback?My personal research in the period 2015-2019 when I was busy barebacking filipinas I was a regular attendee at the local STI clinic.

Since, committing to use condoms I have not had any problems.

[Elvis 2008]

My personal research in the period 2015-2019 when I was busy barebacking filipinas I was a regular attendee at the local STI clinic.I prefer a quote like that 100 X more than someone freaked out by what they are reading on government health websites. If you go back on my posts, I have two entries on what I do to prevent getting STDs while barebacking (what antibiotics, antivirals to use), and I have been barebacking for a decade and had no problem when sticking to my regimen. I am not sure if antibiotics or antivirals are available OTC where you were, but I always keep some on hand.

Thing is using antibiotics and antivirals for prophylaxis is no big deal.

[Midwestern]

She moved into her new place on Tuesday. This is one week after I first met her. I am renting this apartment for her. How crazy and dumb is that? LOL. But my plan is to also use the apartment to meet outcall girls when she is at work or when she is out of town visiting her parents. That is, I am hoping to get good mileage from the apartment.

Anyway, I met her up with her when she moved in, and she gave me an extra set of keys for the apartment. Then we went shopping together for beddings and other household items. We get back to the apartment at 2 pm, and she was running late for her shift at the MP, but I told her to call in late and go to work at 4 pm, and she said okay. And then I fucked her for 90 minutes and then left. Later that day, she keeps asking me to live with her in her new apartment, and I say no.

I saw her again on Thursday, but she just got her period, so we just fooled around at her place before she had to go to work. I plan on not seeing her again until after her period is over, so probably next Tuesday.

We text every day. She keeps telling me that she loves me. She is as crazy as I am, I guess. I keep wondering how it is possible that I am able to bareback her the first time I met her. And for no tip! Is she just easy? One part of the mystery has been revealed: Her younger sister got married only a few weeks ago. After her sister's wedding, she just suddenly moved to Shanghai and started working in a HJ MP. Her entire family is asking her to return home. Not sure if you guys know this, but in Asian culture when a younger sibling gets married before an older sibling, the older sibling loses face. So, I am now thinking that she is majorly depressed and just moved to Shanghai on a whim, and I was simply at the right place at the right time.

Anyway, I have a feeling that this is not going to end well for either of us, but for now, I just want to fuck her as much as possible.


I saw her again, and we had passionate bareback sex for 2. 5 hours in the MP. The weird thing was that she kept calling me her husband, about 30-50 times. She kept saying I love you husband. That was really weird.

While we cuddled, I gave her money for the apartment. And then she asked me if I was going to live there or at least spend the night there. I said I cannot. She was speechless and suddenly all the happiness was sucked out of the room. She asked me why I couldn't sleep there, and I used Brizlad's great suggestion and said my daughter lives with me. She then asked me again if I was single and I said I was. Then she asked if she could come to my place sometime, and I had to think quickly and I said I live in service apartment and my colleagues live there too. However, I over-explained this, so it came across as a lie, I am sure.

She then asked me if I ever wanted another kid, and I said no. Then she said she wants a kid. But I said that I didn't. Her mood was totally somber. She was so happy while we were fucking. But suddenly she was getting the picture.

I'm still confused about what's going on. She works in HJ MP. So far, our entire relationship is we met three times, and we spent almost all of it barebacking. Almost from the beginning. Why did she bareback me right from the beginning, and for no tip? And did she really think we were going to end up together?

[Steve 9696]

Anyway, I have a feeling that this is not going to end well for either of us, but for now, I just want to fuck her as much as possible.Hahaha. I laughed so hard. Dude you need no advice. You have this figured out 100%. This is it exactly!

I don't know if you guys have heard the Arriana Grande song "Thank you. Next" uncensored but she puts into words exactly how I feel and how we should do this:

"I'm so fucking grateful for my ex. Thank you. Next!" LOL it's my theme song!

[Elvis 2008]

When I wrote about my foursome trip to Cancun, Maria was the novice. She said the trip was life changing and longed to get back.

Thing is prior to the trip I was disappointed with her. The first time we met she was stunning in a long black dress. We were making out on the hotel couch. Clothes were about to come off, and she made me stop and asked "How much?" She has previously been an escort so I guess that is to be expected, but she did not like how she felt doing that and quit. I think you can make an escort into a SB if she quits on her own. Otherwise, it is a bad idea.

Still, she was really hot and gave great head, so I invited her to my hotel months later, and it was lecture time. How to be a SB 101. The first rule of being a SB is that you do not mention price. The second rule is you let me know what your needs are. I am not going to fulfill them all at once I said, but I will make a list and as we get to know each other better, I will do my best to fulfill reasonable requests. The third rule is that we forget about all the stresses in our life and have fun. The fourth is I like that you trust me and part of that is letting me go bare.

That night, I banged her bare. She asked, "Well, daddy, can I at least have some money for tonight? I am broke. " She was learning.

So we go on our trip, and she loves Cancun. It is paradise on earth for her. I know how much a plane ticket is and how much that is for a Colombian. I think it is going to be a while for her to return to Cancun.

So I meet the woman of my dreams and meeting her and her two SB sisters is not in the cards, but she texted me today.

"Elvis, I met a 40 year old American guy off seeking and he is flying me to Cancun. He is kind of my boyfriend now. What do I need to do to get through Mexican Customs?

It is pretty clear to me she took my teachings well. Now I know she *****d around in Cancun after I left, but I think my lecture did not go to waste. I mean why fly her to Mexico unless the guy thought she was special? Shit you could bang 10 hotties in Bogota for the price of that ticket.

She even wrote, "I love being with older men. " So I took a little joy with my professor skills. She got back to Cancun in 3 short months. Maybe I did need to be more patient and explain the rules of the game to the women instead of dumping them or going for the more broken in models. In the end, it all worked out.

But like I said, she was fine, tight, gave great head, and now someone else is enjoying that fineness. Yeah, I know. She is not yours just your turn but still shouldn't I be allowed to put her on layaway for a year? LOL. Isn't that fair?

[BrizLad]

The first rule of being a SB is that you do not mention price. The second rule is you let me know what your needs are. I am not going to fulfill them all at once I said, but I will make a list and as we get to know each other better, I will do my best to fulfill reasonable requests. The third rule is that we forget about all the stresses in our life and have fun. The fourth is I like that you trust me and part of that is letting me go bare.We have all experienced the benefit of inheriting a SB that ahs been trained / guided by an experienced hand. We all have a bit of a responsibility to train the girls also.

[AmorPorFavor]

Has anybody on here tried using SA in Tijuana. I'm actually trying to give it a go right now. I live 25 minutes from the border. Met the first one outside of the Quartz hotel where I was staying. Its a nice new hotel. Even though I tried very hard to find out what she actually looked like it couldn't be done. She sent me several deceptive photos that made her look to be a 9. She shows up and is maybe a 6, not looking sexy at all. Said sorry baby and gave her $10 for Uber. Adios. She then of course blocked me on SA LOL. Messaging on phone with another one who looks hot. Set up a meet and agreed on $200 plus taxi. Then let her know that I would need a bbj. She said no. Adios strike 2. Messaging with a third one and first thing she asks is how much. I said $200 with a tip. She laughed and said how hot she was and blocked me. Strike 3. Didn't even give me a chance to counter. Sorry bb but I'm not paying SD prices in Tijuana. She looked hot but still pictures somewhat deceptive as to her figure. I mean how hard is it to figure out what these bitches actually look like? Any advice as to pricing and quality in Tijuana would be appreciated. Got a room booked at the Ticuan for Wednesday and sending out messages to some I've been chatting with. Can always head to Hong Kong if it comes to that.

[MikeCct]

Hi all,

I'm rather new to SA and recently purchased a premium membership for an upcoming trip to Colombia. My question is, this is a very beginner question, but what is the expected order of operations / etiquette on SA, contact girl on SA, ask if they're interested in a date, is the usual expectation that we meet up go for drinks / dinner, come back to my apartment, and go from there? Do you tend to agree on money before hand or after?

Curious what more seasoned guys have down as general etiquette for everyone getting what they want and leaving content.

Thanks.

[Elvis 2008]

Has anybody on here tried using SA in Tijuana. Two words for SA in Tijuana: It sucks. For high quality pussy in Tijuana, go to Hong Kong. If you want a sugar daddy type relationship, work a deal with a HK girl for P4P in her home town. Hottest Mexican women come into HK from all over the country. I could have and would have built a huge high quality rotation from there if I had the time.

You pay the same amount to get laid there as you do to take an American girl to dinner.

[Elvis 2008]

Hi all,

I'm rather new to SA and recently purchased a premium membership for an upcoming trip to Colombia. My question is, this is a very beginner question, but what is the expected order of operations / etiquette on SA, contact girl on SA, ask if they're interested in a date, is the usual expectation that we meet up go for drinks / dinner, come back to my apartment, and go from there? Do you tend to agree on money before hand or after?

Curious what more seasoned guys have down as general etiquette for everyone getting what they want and leaving content.

Thanks.Jesus Christ, what have I done with Colombia? LOL. Maybe I should get the obligatory finger wagging out of the way first, you know, to keep the tradition alive. You are paying $100 a month to score Colombian pussy? Do you know how much pussy that buys in Colombia? Man, you are fucking stupid. Okay, sorry. Just kidding. I have to let you who follow in my trail know the crap I had to put up with.

You will get a ton more hits in Colombia than here. I had 2 dates a day in Bogota and 3 in Medellin. The flake rate and tardy rate is high. If you are all fucked out and someone no shows, that may be a relief. If you are really horny and counting on a girl, have a Plan be handy which could be a see, the, E, and F in Colombia honestly.

I do not know what you are looking for on a date, but really I just wanted to see if they looked like their photos and I was good to go and DTF. The second date rule in the USA does not apply. Last date I had from seeking there I wasted two hours for dinner when the girl was clearly DTF when we just met. The women there in general do not have the anti-prostitution mindset of women here.

So coffee for first meet. In the 40 or so dates I had, there was only one girl who wanted to wait for a second date. In half the cases, I stupidly brought up price. Finally, I quit doing that and would meet women who were DTF without a price, and they were always better in bed. If the woman insists on a price, she is a working girl. I fucked plenty of working girls from SA and had fun but really that is a waste of time. You are better off being with women who admit to being working girls versus ones playing they are not. There are hot women there on seeking who want to fuck American men and do not want to be paid for it. The best ones will be out to prove that they want to fuck you and not get paid.

I always would meet them in my hotel and at the hotel cafe or restaurant. Use the excuse you do not know your way around. Again, you only have so much time so make sure they come to you to save time. You will be swamped with responses. The good ones will find you.

Get whatsapp. Get their numbers. Keep in mind that getting their number does not mean a date. Chances are one in 2 or 3 after that you will meet. A great trick is a lot of the woman who use WA make videos that you can see. With the videos, you can see what they really look like, and my reaction to that was all the way from "Damn, she is hotter than her pics" to "My god she is fat. " so that is a neat trick to use.

One last piece of advice is to repeat with the best you find. There was a guy here named Stinky Squid who found one and cut himself off from all the others. I do not recommend that. I would not have that degree of oneitis. However, if you find a good one do not think the next one is going to better. My second visit with a great Columbiana would usually trump a new one. My goal and I think the goal of guys is to find yourself a stable of keepers. Eventually, as in my case, one will probably become queen.

So meet at your hotel, coffee not a meal unless it is a quick one, no price if possible, if price say yea or nea but she is a working girl and remind yourself of that, repeat with the great ones. There are plenty there that will fuck you without being paid.

[Steve 9696]

MW. What's the 411? You barebacking your balls off? Stop fucking for five minutes and let us know! Spill the tea man!

[Midwestern]

LOL. Steve, your post literally cracked me up. Okay, here's another update.

She went to see her parents this past Friday and returned on Saturday. We agreed to meet Sunday morning. However, starting from around 6 pm Saturday, she does not reply to any of my texts.

Well, Sunday arrives, and I go to our apartment, and it does not looked lived in. I sent her a text asking where she was, and no reply after 30 minutes and so I decided to bail and decided to catch up on some work.

While I am at the office, I get a text from her saying that she is at the apartment. I asked her why she ignored my texts since 6 pm yesterday, and I asked her where she was last night, since the apartment does not looked lived in. I was pretty pissed off.

She replied angrily that she went to work last night, because she had nothing else to do because I can never see her in the evenings, and she said she continues to sleep at the dorm because she does not want to sleep by herself at the apartment.

So I then I told her that I was at work and I will see her another day. And man, that pissed her off. She said she work up early to meet me, and all she gets is my scolding. She said if I do not see her now, then she will never see me again. So, I decided to see her.

When I arrive at the apartment, she is crying pretty hard. I apologized. We then cuddled, but I was not thinking about fucking her since she only recently got on her period, but she begged me to fuck her, because she said her period was already done. I did not have a Viagra on me, but her body is so hot that I was able to manage a semi and stick it in. Wasn't my best performance, but we went at it for about 30 minutes. Again, during the entire time we are fucking, she keeps calling me her husband. I love you husband. You are my husband. Husband. Husband. Husband. Yeah, she sometimes just says husband while I am fucking her. And then she went to work.

On Monday, we are texting as usual, and then she mentions that she ran out of perfume and asked me if we can go buy some. I said sure. Then she said that if I am able to get it on my own then that is fine too. She sends me a picture of the brand, and it costs $250. No problem. I bought it for her.

I saw her yesterday (Wednesday). She has the day off yesterday and today due to the communist party's 100 year anniversary. So, we met at the apartment at 10:30 am, and we remained in bed until 4:00 pm. This time, I was Viagra enhanced. And I also took about 5 sips of beer to numb my dick so that I can last longer (pro-tip). So, during 5. 5 hours, we fucked for about 4 hours of it. Again, she kept calling me her husband. As an aside, she is insatiable. She would not let me take a break. Just wanted to keep fucking. You would think that someone that jerks guys off all day for a living would be bored of physical intimacy. But maybe her job makes her hornier.

Oh, and Steve, I tried out your favorite position. It's like a scissors position with one of her legs up against your chest? It is an awesome position, because you can easily grab both her tits and ass. I was literally thinking about you for a few minutes while I was fucking her. Thanks for the idea. She also loved the position.

But here's the interesting part. We all know that pros know how to make us cum. Well, while I was barebacking her, she was totally trying to get me to cum inside of her. She tried about a half dozen times. But luckily, my dick was numb from the beer, so I am pretty sure that none of my baby batter went into her.

Oh, and one other interesting thing is that she kept asking me to spend the night with her at the apartment. I just ignored her. She asked me a bunch of times, and I ignored her every time. I already told her that I could not a few days earlier, so I do not know why she kept asking again.

I am supposed to see her again tomorrow morning before her shift.

So far, other than the perfume, she has asked for nothing from me. I am sure there is a big ask coming though.

[Steve 9696]

It's funny how streaky SA and the harem is. I'm currently in a major American city awaiting Mika who is flying in. I saw Sue earlier this week and she's checking in on me. Earlier this week I found a Miami hottie and she's soooo my type and just loves to shoot the shit about anything. She's really growing on me and we chat often. Then out of the blue Layla who had gone ice cold says her work schedule changed and let's start meeting up in the weekends.

It's just so odd because I've got Mika coming and I should be 100% focused on that. But I've got three other girls I'm actively chatting with and feel distracted! And other times I can't find a girl to save my life. It's just odd how it's so streaky.

Too many hotties to chat up. But I’m sure my persistent boner tomorrow as I await Mika will focus me. LOL.

[MiamiBoy1]

Jesus Christ, what have I done with Colombia? LOL. Maybe I should get the obligatory finger wagging out of the way first, you know, to keep the tradition alive. You are paying $100 a month to score Colombian pussy? Do you know how much pussy that buys in Colombia? Man, you are fucking stupid. Okay, sorry. Just kidding. I have to let you who follow in my trail know the crap I had to put up with.

You will get a ton more hits in Colombia than here. I had 2 dates a day in Bogota and 3 in Medellin. The flake rate and tardy rate is high. If you are all fucked out and someone no shows, that may be a relief. If you are really horny and counting on a girl, have a Plan be handy which could be a see, the, E, and F in Colombia honestly.

I do not know what you are looking for on a date, but really I just wanted to see if they looked like their photos and I was good to go and DTF. The second date rule in the USA does not apply. Last date I had from seeking there I wasted two hours for dinner when the girl was clearly DTF when we just met. The women there in general do not have the anti-prostitution mindset of women here.

So coffee for first meet. In the 40 or so dates I had, there was only one girl who wanted to wait for a second date. In half the cases, I stupidly brought up price. Finally, I quit doing that and would meet women who were DTF without a price, and they were always better in bed. If the woman insists on a price, she is a working girl. I fucked plenty of working girls from SA and had fun but really that is a waste of time. You are better off being with women who admit to being working girls versus ones playing they are not. There are hot women there on seeking who want to fuck American men and do not want to be paid for it. The best ones will be out to prove that they want to fuck you and not get paid.

I always would meet them in my hotel and at the hotel cafe or restaurant. Use the excuse you do not know your way around. Again, you only have so much time so make sure they come to you to save time. You will be swamped with responses. The good ones will find you.

Get whatsapp. Get their numbers. Keep in mind that getting their number does not mean a date. Chances are one in 2 or 3 after that you will meet. A great trick is a lot of the woman who use WA make videos that you can see. With the videos, you can see what they really look like, and my reaction to that was all the way from "Damn, she is hotter than her pics" to "My god she is fat. " so that is a neat trick to use.

One last piece of advice is to repeat with the best you find. There was a guy here named Stinky Squid who found one and cut himself off from all the others. I do not recommend that. I would not have that degree of oneitis. However, if you find a good one do not think the next one is going to better. My second visit with a great Columbiana would usually trump a new one. My goal and I think the goal of guys is to find yourself a stable of keepers. Eventually, as in my case, one will probably become queen.

So meet at your hotel, coffee not a meal unless it is a quick one, no price if possible, if price say yea or nea but she is a working girl and remind yourself of that, repeat with the great ones. There are plenty there that will fuck you without being paid.First of all, I have to admit that the quality of SA girls in Bogota has gone downhill. Yes, the quantity is still there, and Bogota probably beats any other city in Latin America. However, the quality is not there. Just doing a simple search with only 2 parameters (18-27 yo range, with photos) brings 10000+ results. Most of them registered long time ago and have not been active for weeks or months. Around 200-300 or so are more or less active. Out of those couple of hundred only a few are 8 or above, others are average looking, in 5-6. 5 range. Want to find a spinner? Good luck with that! Most girls are fat, especially those who post 1-2 photos, or selfies only. I can almost guarantee that if a girl does not post a full body photo, she is fat. Even if you happen to find a very attractive girl, she either won't respond to your messages or will quote unrealistic price. One girl quoted me $5000, yes, USD, LOL.

95% of all the girls that I have recently contacted at some point just flake. They simply stop responding, delete profiles, change phone numbers or block you for no reason. Even if you have agreed on everything and decided to see each other. Very very few speak English, if they text in English, it does not mean anything, most likely they are using google translate, and if you don't speak Spanish I can guarantee your date will be awkward because of the language barrier and communication issues.

Current going rate is about 350-400 mil COP and up, depending on how hot she is. 8's and above will most likely quote higher numbers and won't budge, because the demand is there and there is a fewer competition.

As to the suggestion of not discussing a price, good luck with that! 99% won't be interested in seeing you. Yeah, there is a slim chance of meeting a college student who is looking to practice her English, or some woman in her 30's with kids looking for a husband, but do you really want that? Just because you are gringo does not mean she will fuck you for free, especially if you are older and below average looking. SA is all about the arrangement. They expect and want you to pay. The truth is, most of them are working girls. Some are pros, others are semi pros. Some are high volume, others are low volume. But they all know what we are looking for.

Elvis, if I followed your suggestion of not setting a price, I would probably get zero dates, because they would not be interested. I have read a bunch of reports here, where guys fuck 10's for free. I'm not saying this is impossible, especially if you are fit / good looking, speak their language and got your game, but for an average monger Joe chances to score an 8 for free are close to zero, I'm not even talking about 9's and 10's. If she is hot and in high demand, why would she fuck you for free? Doesn't make any sense.

Some of you will say I'm being too pessimistic, but this is my recent experience. I understand that my standards are high, and I'm not traveling to another continent to fuck average women. If you are not as picky as I am and willing to put time and effort, your chance of success will be much higher.

[LatinaLover#1]

First of all, I have to admit that the quality of SA girls in Bogota has gone downhill. Yes, the quantity is still there, and Bogota probably beats any other city in Latin America. However, the quality is not there. Just doing a simple search with only 2 parameters (18-27 yo range, with photos) brings 10000+ results. Most of them registered long time ago and have not been active for weeks or months. Around 200-300 or so are more or less active. Out of those couple of hundred only a few are 8 or above, others are average looking, in 5-6. 5 range. Want to find a spinner? Good luck with that! Most girls are fat, especially those who post 1-2 photos, or selfies only. I can almost guarantee that if a girl does not post a full body photo, she is fat. Even if you happen to find a very attractive girl, she either won't respond to your messages or will quote unrealistic price. One girl quoted me $5000, yes, USD, LOL.

95% of all the girls that I have recently contacted at some point just flake. They simply stop responding, delete profiles, change phone numbers or block you for no reason. Even if you have agreed on everything and decided to see each other. Very very few speak English, if they text in English, it does not mean anything, most likely they are using google translate, and if you don't speak Spanish I can guarantee your date will be awkward because of the language barrier and communication issues.

Current going rate is about 350-400 mil COP and up, depending on how hot she is. 8's and above will most likely quote higher numbers and won't budge, because the demand is there and there is a fewer competition..But over the years of more scams and fake profiles, tons of hard core prepagos and bots has ruined the site. The lack of attention by the admin has made the site even worse. They do no policing of the site on their own and only react when Someone reports an obvious scam. Plus soo many of the real girls that actually exist are using covid as an excuse not to meet up and full of pic sellers. Add in the constant price increases, now up to $100 a month and it's a lot of money to pay for perpagos, fake profiles and bots masquerading as real women trying to set you up for a scam and I no longer pay to contact any of them. SA has a great premise but the admin needs to clean it up and lower the price and I think it could become a viable resource again.

[Mr Enternational]

So I then I told her that I was at work and I will see her another day. And man, that pissed her off. She said she work up early to meet me, and all she gets is my scolding. She said if I do not see her now, then she will never see me again. So, I decided to see her.

When I arrive at the apartment, she is crying pretty hard. I apologized.

On Monday, we are texting as usual, and then she mentions that she ran out of perfume and asked me if we can go buy some. I said sure. Then she said that if I am able to get it on my own then that is fine too. She sends me a picture of the brand, and it costs $250. No problem. I bought it for her.Jesus you guys are pushovers. Woke up early to see you, but did not give a shit about your messages all night? She probably always has her phone in hand when you are together, yet when you are not together your messages to her go unanswered. Care for a clue?

Chick ghosts or goes dark on you then when you mention it she turns the tables and makes you apologize and buy her expensive shit for bringing it up? She found a real one.

Chicks find out quick that I do not respond how they expect from threats. Mention not seeing me again and it's bye bich, not rush right over to say I am sorry and here take some money. The reason she was crying hard was because she did not want to lose her breaded up cake daddy that is putty in her hands; had nothing to do with you scolding her.

[Mr Enternational]

Then out of the blue Layla who had gone ice cold says her work schedule changed and let's start meeting up in the weekends.Seems like it was not the work schedule that changed. More like she got dumped by another dude and now has time. Are you guys really blind to this shit.


But I've got three other girls I'm actively chatting with and feel distracted! And other times I can't find a girl to save my life. It's just odd how it's so streaky.You are overwhelmed by chatting to 4? LOL. I literally have at least 50 that I am not only chatting to, but meeting with.

Not odd at all. That is Murphy's Second Law at work: Feast or Famine. The feast comes when you have other shit on your plate or other situations that prevent you from partaking. The famine comes when you don't have shit going on. Tons of chicks are ready to hook up at the drop of a hat when you are not in town; but when you are in town it's crickets. The party does not get started until 11:30 when you have to be in at 11, but ain't no party whenever you can stay out past 11:30.

[Mr Enternational]

If she is hot and in high demand, why would she fuck you for free? Doesn't make any sense.Because you may come with a personality that she has not seen before and really likes. You can't view these females as only machines where money goes into and fucking comes out. There are other things they find attractive and are willing to act on in other than a P4P capacity. They don't just exist on the planet to get money for fucking. They can actually find or develop interest in a guy. They are human.

Does it make sense that a person who works in a restaurant would want to go to a restaurant when they are off work? They aren't like I am not stepping into a restaurant unless I am getting paid for it. They can work in a restaurant as well as go to a restaurant for leisure. The same chick that fucks for work can also fuck for leisure.

[Elvis 2008]

Elvis, if I followed your suggestion of not setting a price, I would probably get zero dates, because they would not be interested. I have read a bunch of reports here, where guys fuck 10's for free. I'm not saying this is impossible, especially if you are fit / good looking, speak their language and got your game, but for an average monger Joe chances to score an 8 for free are close to zero, I'm not even talking about 9's and 10's. If she is hot and in high demand, why would she fuck you for free? Doesn't make any sense.

Some of you will say I'm being too pessimistic, but this is my recent experience. I understand that my standards are high, and I'm not traveling to another continent to fuck average women. If you are not as picky as I am and willing to put time and effort, your chance of success will be much higher.I am glad Mr. E chimed in because some if not most guys here really need to wake up and get there are two worlds of women: working girls and not working girls, and there are guys here in the john lifestyle who have forgotten that all women are not working girls.

Look at this question. Why would she fuck you free? BECAUSE EVERY WOMAN WANTS TO FUCK FOR FREE. Even the working girls do. For the most part, women only fuck for money when they have to.

You are paying $100 a month and $100 to $150 to see one of these women? Why bother? You can get fucked for a fraction of that by a hooker on Santa Fe, a spa girl, or even an escort. There are thousands of women in Bogota who will fuck you for less than that.

Yeah, I had bad meet and greets. I had a fat lawyer meet me and ask for $300 and cry when I told her no.

I had a really hot woman who had been to the USA and spoke English. We met, and she said that we would met again if I met her price. She texted me the number, $800. I laughed and told her I was with someone earlier that day for less than 10% of that amount. She said, "Yes, but you really do not understand all I can offer. " Poor me. I never learned what that was.

But you cannot let that get you down. I have showed photos of the three women I had a foursome with. And I am headed to meet my dream girl in a few days.

And Stinkysquid found someone too. Thing is that it is not easy. You have to deal with the crazies, the no-shows, the dogs that think $300 a session is reasonable.

You have to kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your princess and if that is not for you, then you should stick with the pros.

[Mr Enternational]

You have to kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your princess and if that is not for you, then you should stick with the pros.Man I have a merit badge in frog kissing at this point. Thing is that when you meet someone that is worth a shit, she turns out to be crazy. My buddy met a lawyer chick in Bogota the other day. He said they went out and she spent all kinds of money. She stayed with him a couple of nights. He also has a place in Thailand and has a kid there. So when he gets back to the States the girl hits him up saying how he is a liar and she did some lawyer investigating and in order to have bought a condo in Thailand he has to be married to his son's mom. Wrong as fuck. Foreigner's can not own land, but they can own condos. But she just refused to admit to being wrong so he had to block her.

[DramaFree11]

What a trip. I rented a an apartment and hotel. I did not want to push my luck.

1. I had dinner at S. Prime with the model. So much fun. We had Sex on the balcony. We also had morning se.

2. The next day I met 2 of my regulars. We had a threesome. I had Anal with one of the girls, both girls did rimming, kissing and uncovered blow job. Great Experience.

3. I met the model for a couple of hours on Saturday. Fun and nice sex.

4. Saturday evening I met another girl for late afternoon session. We had a couple of drinks, then had another had a nice session.

5. I head back to the new S. Prime location meet another girl. At this point I am exhausted, and the girl was too. We had a lot of fun, but honestly I was ready to pass out. Hungover, drunk and tired. The staff came over and wished me happy birthday, totally cool. We go back to the room. Bad session, she apologize for bein tired, but it was me.

6. Sunday as usual a couple of cancelations. I usually have at least one cancelation on Sundays, I am not sure the reason. I meet another new girls, super sweet and real cool, She is keeper. She texts me daily now. Great session.

7. End the trip with an anal session with the model.

Great trip, so much fun! Moscow / Mexico Rock. MDE, Rio, and Kiev Suck. Keep up all the great reports. I am working a lot now, so I am not on the site as much, but I always try to read the reports.

[DramaFree11]

First off most American girls are just F. Crazy. The are just crazy with there requests. Many can only meet during the day and I just do not have the time for that and I real do not enjoy that with mine and her phone going crazy. One girl wanted to meet me and expensive steakhouse in gym clothes, I said no. I have my limits. Some cancel at the at minute or do not show up. Some do not have cars, some are addicted to drugs or alcohol, and the first couple of meetings they were not even close to there pictures. There are too many stories to mention. To be honest I am so busy and I have Mexico as back up, so I have a short fuse. Not to mention the weather has been terrible in Texas, real bad rains and as a results several meetings have been canceled as a result. There was also a bad flu going around, this also caused some cancelations.

Good news, I met a real great girl. Middle Eastern girls from Houston, living in San Antonio, very beautiful, and nice. She is on time, for the most part and fun. We are meeting, regularly now $400, no clock watching. She is a little reserved in bed, but the freak with come out. She texts me regularly. She wants to be exclusive. Maybe in San Antonio, but she does not need to know about MTY. I might have to adopt some of you guys CIA tactics. Great girl, so yes hard work pays off.

The only bad news is I live in mall, that has some apartments connected to the complex. So cool, I can walk to restaurants and shopping, but she manages a store there, so I can definitely can not be meeting other girls there, but I real do not have time and she is real cool. Not to mention skinny, hot and fun. Yes, a little crazy, but in the margin of error. No need to screw it up.

I am sticking to my plan working my ass off and exercising daily. Lite is great.

[Midwestern]

Your description of SA in SA is identical to my SA experience in San Francisco. After 20 months and hundreds of hours on SA, I only hooked up with two dozen gals, but almost all of them were great and worth it (and that also includes a middle Eastern gal).


First off most American girls are just F. Crazy. The are just crazy with there requests. Many can only meet during the day and I just do not have the time for that and I real do not enjoy that with mine and her phone going crazy. One girl wanted to meet me and expensive steakhouse in gym clothes, I said no. I have my limits. Some cancel at the at minute or do not show up. Some do not have cars, some are addicted to drugs or alcohol, and the first couple of meetings they were not even close to there pictures. There are too many stories to mention. To be honest I am so busy and I have Mexico as back up, so I have a short fuse. Not to mention the weather has been terrible in Texas, real bad rains and as a results several meetings have been canceled as a result. There was also a bad flu going around, this also caused some cancelations.

Good news, I met a real great girl. Middle Eastern girls from Houston, living in San Antonio, very beautiful, and nice. She is on time, for the most part and fun. We are meeting, regularly now $400, no clock watching. She is a little reserved in bed, but the freak with come out. She texts me regularly. She wants to be exclusive. Maybe in San Antonio, but she does not need to know about MTY. I might have to adopt some of you guys CIA tactics. Great girl, so yes hard work pays off.

The only bad news is I live in mall, that has some apartments connected to the complex. So cool, I can walk to restaurants and shopping, but she manages a store there, so I can definitely can not be meeting other girls there, but I real do not have time and she is real cool. Not to mention skinny, hot and fun. Yes, a little crazy, but in the margin of error. No need to screw it up.

I am sticking to my plan working my ass off and exercising daily. Lite is great..

[DramaFree11]

Your description of SA in SA is identical to my SA experience in San Francisco. After 20 months and hundreds of hours on SA, I only hooked up with two dozen gals, but almost all of them were great and worth it (and that also includes a middle Eastern gal).

I can walk to a Steakhouse where I live, so I tell the girls that I can meet them there around 8 pm, for a couple of drinks. This way SA is not interfering in my daily routine. Most have agreed others want to only meet during the day or have some crazy ass idea and I politely decline, I just do not have the time for that. I do not want to put too much into SA, I am trying to stay balanced when I am in San Antonio, but I honestly have a keeper, and no need to screw up. I always have MTY. MTY is a different story I live it up here. I am here for the holiday and what a trip. It might even be better then the Birthday weekend. More details to come.

[Steve 9696]

Saw this quote today from author H L Mencken and after busting a gut laughing thought of you guys!

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ".

Hahaha. Just roflmao. Great motto for pussy prison USA!

[Elvis 2008]

Saw this quote today from author H L Mencken and after busting a gut laughing thought of you guys!

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ".

Hahaha. Just roflmao. Great motto for pussy prison USA!Yeah, HL Mencken has some great one liners. "Immorality: the morality of those who are having a better time. "

It is funny Steve. I actually brought someone new into our world or rather someone in to replace me. I texted five of my best women if they wanted to meet him, and they all responded. The two I gave him from Colombia were the highest class, and I had to remind myself why I did not work out with either. And then I did. LOL.

I warned him that I had gone through a lot of no shows, flakes, and women with GPS to find these two. He was getting the best of my portfolio that took me two years to assemble. One girl I put at a 10 and the other a 9. 5.

He was amazed. He chatted away and was stunned that the women did not think they were better than him. They were really nice he said. He asked me when I started to do South / Latin America. I realized the first time I went was 2004. I went to Argentina, got a woman out of the club Madaho's (the hobby is way down now in Argentina. Not gone but way down) and took her back to my place. She was close to the best I ever had but what I will not forget is the massage. She massaged me for an hour and a half.

Of all the stories I tell about my current novia, one of my favorites was asking her to massage my neck while driving. It was a 2 hour trip and she massaged my neck the whole time. The best I could get from an American woman ever was 45 minutes and the typical massage was like 10 minutes max.

I went to Colombia, Bolivia, Paraguay, and Peru as well, but the trip to Brazil was memorable. At the end of it, I literally was sick of having sex. The women, particularly the women in Sao Paulo, were at a different level.

In 2009, I had some luck with SA and the great Recession and got on it from time to time. I finally met some quality American women who could compete with the foreign women sexually. At one point, ten of my top ten were foreign and thankfully that changed. Thing is that they could not compete with the foreign women character wise.

[Steve 9696]

So a quick update on the few girls I am seeing.

Layla, who was my main squeeze for the last nine months off and on has gone rogue. Last time we had sex was theee months ago and it's been nothing but failed meetups and excuses since then. I really tried to make it work because I've developed a bit of an attachment over the last nine months. But enough is enough. I sent her a pointed note last night and she's ghosted me. So we are done done.

Mika is the girl I saw two months back and was smitten with. Flew her to a large US city and unfortunately it was not entirely satisfactory. The initial meetup was great. Went back to the hotel — two rounds of passionate sex and sleepover. All that you could want, including morning sex and breakfast together. Had to leave during the day but rejoined for dinner. Had a nice dinner then found an Asian speakeasy which was super cool — you had to go thru the restaurant and then thru the kitchen to a secret club in the back. This was awesome and we chatted for over an hour.

But then the crushing news. She started her period and was cramping. So our dancing plans were cancelled. And after buying lady products and applying had to settle for a quick BJ. Boo. Next day I cancelled because it didn't seem worth the drive and some personal drama to get a BJ. So boo.

I do love being with her and the sex is great. But damn it was super expensive for one good night and a BJ! Def have to get more value next time.

And then at home there is Sue. She's the girl who was totally not DTF the first date but I managed to Nanpa up a BJ. Since then we've had sex once and a similar aborted sex period BJ episode. Our last date was really great. She's just so young and goofy and fun — exploring the big grown up world. Forum guys can all tell me how she's pretending and it's fake but frankly she isn't capable of that deception. She truly has a great time and seems to be a bit smitten with "the older man". Did her first 69 ever (second 69 virgin I've had this year!) and damn did she like that! Can't complain myself.

Her face is great but the rest of the optics poor. But she's damn fun to be with when drinking and fucking. Just a ton of fun. So going to keep her.

[Midwestern]

For regular SBs, I try to maintain a p calendar on them. Every time they have their period, I make a note of it in my Google calendar, and then I eventually know their menstrual cycles better than they do. With Maya, every time her period was about to arrive, I told her that I was going to be out of town.

I also try to get my SBs to do anal, so we can still have fun during their periods. Speaking of anal, my current SB wants me to get her pregnant, so she can have a kid before her recently married younger sister. And so, I am definitely going to start butting her if I am going to continue raw dogging her.


So a quick update on the few girls I am seeing.



But then the crushing news. She started her period and was cramping. So our dancing plans were cancelled. And after buying lady products and applying had to settle for a quick BJ. Boo. Next day I cancelled because it didn't seem worth the drive and some personal drama to get a BJ. So boo.

[Akibono]

For regular SBs, I try to maintain a p calendar on them. Every time they have their period, I make a note of it in my Google calendar, and then I eventually know their menstrual cycles better than they do. With Maya, every time her period was about to arrive, I told her that I was going to be out of town..There is so much wisdom on this thread. But remember, there are a few very smart women too.

[Solstrum]

I have never used SA and I am planning to go to Thailand (Bangkok) or Vietnam (Hanoi) as soon as possible, how much is normal in those places as a monthly allowance or as ppm?

[Midwestern]

There is so much wisdom on this thread. But remember, there are a few very smart women too.Your are absolutely correct. Maya eventually figured out what I was doing. At first, she was surprised when I knew it was pretty safe to CIP. But then there were days when she said she was feeling tired, and I said that her period was coming, and I was always right. Eventually, she knew what I was up to. She cited this as one of her reasons for breaking up with me.

[Midwestern]

I have never used SA and I am planning to go to Thailand (Bangkok) or Vietnam (Hanoi) as soon as possible, how much is normal in those places as a monthly allowance or as ppm?I'm assuming you've never been to Thailand before. It's very easy to find a short term GF in Thailand. You don't need SA. Once you get there, you'll see what I mean. Just do some research on the Thai forums on where to go to find them. It's similar in Vietnam. However, if it were me, I'the prefer banging as many gals as possible in Thailand and Vietnam, instead of having a short term SB.

[Solstrum]

I'm assuming you've never been to Thailand before. It's very easy to find a short term GF in Thailand. You don't need SA. Once you get there, you'll see what I mean. Just do some research on the Thai forums on where to go to find them. It's similar in Vietnam. However, if it were me, I'the prefer banging as many gals as possible in Thailand and Vietnam, instead of having a short term SB.Correct, I have never been in Thailand but I already went to Vietnam back in 2020 before the pandemic hit. I didn't like the dating scene there (lots to choose from, but they were too high maintenance for my liking) and I didn't get a GFE while paying, so I was looking for maybe an alternative with SA.

[Steve 9696]

Traveling again soon and chatting up the hotties in a major American city. Honestly for so many girls it's hard to find any good ones. They are look so plastic and experienced. Narrowed it down to a few who are all down to meet:

Andrea. Columbiana. 29. Really beautiful. Nice but not very chatty. A bit worried she's too pro. Didn't want to discuss money till the date. See how we vibe. Interesting.

Monica. Mexicana. 22. Really pretty. Pretty engaging. Def on the shortlist.

Monic. Latina. Vene? 32. Pretty enough. Nice bod. Quick to meetup.

Michelle. White girl w green eyes. Wtf? 25. Super pretty tho. More girl next door. Def not a pro. Like her sweet vibe but she's been a bit quiet last couple days.

And then there is Cat. Chilean. 21. Just that bubbly cute pixie Latina. Not all fake like some of the others and just has a great profile and chat. Thought she was a long shot but I am really into her. So I just vomited out my heart about how I am choosing a girl and I really just want her and why. Long silence all day. But then YES let's meetup. We are working the details tonight so it could crash and burn but damn she slays me. Crossing fingers and more. Wish me luck!

[Steve 9696]

Traveling again soon and chatting up the hotties in a major American city. Honestly for so many girls it's hard to find any good ones. They are look so plastic and experienced. Narrowed it down to a few who are all down to meet:

Andrea. Columbiana. 29. Really beautiful. Nice but not very chatty. A bit worried she's too pro. Didn't want to discuss money till the date. See how we vibe. Interesting.

Monica. Mexicana. 22. Really pretty. Pretty engaging. Def on the shortlist.

Monic. Latina. Vene? 32. Pretty enough. Nice bod. Quick to meetup.

Michelle. White girl w green eyes. Wtf? 25. Super pretty tho. More girl next door. Def not a pro. Like her sweet vibe but she's been a bit quiet last couple days.

And then there is Cat. Chilean. 21. Just that bubbly cute pixie Latina. Not all fake like some of the others and just has a great profile and chat. Thought she was a long shot but I am really into her. So I just vomited out my heart about how I am choosing a girl and I really just want her and why. Long silence all day. But then YES let's meetup. We are working the details tonight so it could crash and burn but damn she slays me. Crossing fingers and more. Wish me luck!Hahaha just when I think Cat is a shoe in she goes quiet all night. And then Michelle who's been quiet hits me on WhatsApp and we have the very best conversation and great vibe. I splain how I see the date going (implying but not saying sex) and she's down. I broach allowance and long silence then "Maybe 300?" Fuck this girl is a real girl not a pro. I've struggled to get under $500 of late and here she is at "trying for" 300. So sweet.

So now if Cat comes back I am in a real quandary. Michelle is so sweet and relatable but Cat sparks my desire in some unfathomable way. First world problems men! I'll keep you posted.

[Gunners1]

For Thailand and Vietnam you don't need SA. There are several choices for you. Use your charm at the malls, coffee shops, use as that have search nearby features like We. Or use Thai cupid or Vietnam cupid. All those apps are direct short time GFE.

Enjoyg.


I have never used SA and I am planning to go to Thailand (Bangkok) or Vietnam (Hanoi) as soon as possible, how much is normal in those places as a monthly allowance or as ppm?

[LshRoomer]

Greetings Fellow Mongers.

I'm about to head to Madrid and I started to look at the profiles in Seeking. Most are written in Spanish (my spanish is horrible).

You guys that have had SBs in Spain, did you find that language was an issue?

Have any of you been there since it opened back up?

If I remember correctly from a previous post, 200 - 300 seems to be the going rate. Has this changed post COVID (2021)?

Thanks.

[Akibono]

Does anyone have any experience with girls that present themselves as a two girl package? They usually want to travel. Are these real or a scam?

[SfoCowboy]

Most of them use translate app to chat. Also, filter your options using the language filter. I didn't have any issue in finding English speaking chicks in Spain. You'the get very good girls in the price range you quoted. Have a great time, Spain is amazing for SA.

Cheers!


Greetings Fellow Mongers.

I'm about to head to Madrid and I started to look at the profiles in Seeking. Most are written in Spanish (my spanish is horrible).

You guys that have had SBs in Spain, did you find that language was an issue?

Have any of you been there since it opened back up?

If I remember correctly from a previous post, 200 - 300 seems to be the going rate. Has this changed post COVID (2021)?

Thanks.

[Pessimist]

Does anyone have any experience with girls that present themselves as a two girl package? They usually want to travel. Are these real or a scam?As a rule, I am against 2 for 1 deals. If something goes wrong, it is 2 girls against one; in any normal situation it is your word against hers. I don't have any particular fetish for doing 2 girls at once; in any case, I have done a few of those in FKKs, so that has been scratched. Even in FKKs where the extra cost is just 50 or 100 if you take for 30 min or an hour, I found it difficult to focus on 2 girls and typically one of them is wasting time and I am paying them. I wonder why. With American sugarbabes seeking 2 for 1 deals, you have to wonder what their motivation is. DO they not feel secure, do they have some ulterior motive or do they want to waste time? Whatever their motivation, it is not appealing to me. When I see 2 for 1, I typically gloss over their profiles.

[Pessimist]

Greetings Fellow Mongers.

I'm about to head to Madrid and I started to look at the profiles in Seeking. Most are written in Spanish (my spanish is horrible).

You guys that have had SBs in Spain, did you find that language was an issue?

Have any of you been there since it opened back up?

If I remember correctly from a previous post, 200 - 300 seems to be the going rate. Has this changed post COVID (2021)?

Thanks.Spain is awesome for sugarbabes, language has not been an issue for me either in Madrid or Barcelona, and yes that amount is more than sufficient; even for 200 Euro, I spent multiple hours with girls and nothing off the menu (one offered BBFS).

Good luck.

[Midwestern]

Does anyone have any experience with girls that present themselves as a two girl package? They usually want to travel. Are these real or a scam?I totally agree with Pessimist. I would take a pass on it.

[Steve 9696]

This girl is truly dedicated! Love it!

[NeilGeorge]

Does anyone have any experience with girls that present themselves as a two girl package?Beware. One will try to grab your attention while the other is going thru your wallet and taking your money. Or going thru your kitchen cabinet drawers or looking for something to steal. Also, you will most certainly be more attracted to one than the other, any 3 some turns into a 2 some sooner or later and the 3 d wheel gets angry. You do not know these girls and they are working as a team for a reason, and its not your pleasure!

[Pessimist]

BTW, is anyone else annoyed with this "gift wishlist" in SA. "Have you seen my wishlist? View Here" link is attached to every girl's profile below About Me section. WTF! Does SA count this as an innovation? Like a feature Facebook or Twitter adding new features, such as Stories or Marketplace or Memories?

Seriously, as if some of these sugarbabes / gold-diggers were not pestering the men enough to send gifts before ever meeting or saying Hello, in person, now SA itself sprinkled holy water on this abominable practice and made it official.

If I want to give a gift to a girl after I met her, I would do so in person. Only the stupidest person would ever gift some unknown person w / o sight seen.

Obviously, SA has become super greedy and wants to make money from this absurd thing. I guess they would take their haircut from every gift sent. I have never used the Chinese sites (MW knows, I am sure) but the likes of Momo / Tantan facilitate gift giving between the male patron to the female talent, from my understanding and the platform / site takes a hefty cut. As if SA's $90 to $100 a month was not enough, they launched this "feature". A total disgrace in my view. Now every girl is thinking she should be showered with expensive gifts delivered home daily from a bunch of guys just because she put up some stolen, fake photos on SA.

Guys are the ones paying subscription money to SA; girls are there for free. It is strange that SA would add this annoying little button that would piss off the paying men to make the freeloading women happier. Yes, I can easily ignore it but it makes the experience and the hassle that much worse.

[WyattEarp]

Traveling again soon and chatting up the hotties in a major American city. Honestly for so many girls it's hard to find any good ones. They are look so plastic and experienced. Narrowed it down to a few who are all down to meet:

Andrea. Columbiana. 29. Really beautiful. Nice but not very chatty. A bit worried she's too pro. Didn't want to discuss money till the date. See how we vibe. Interesting.

Monica. Mexicana. 22. Really pretty. Pretty engaging. Def on the shortlist.

Monic. Latina. Vene? 32. Pretty enough. Nice bod. Quick to meetup.......Steve. Steve,

What happened to your age range? Aren't Andrea and Monic at an age where you feel they are too interested in getting married?

I feel this is like Guide for the married man where Robert Morse the prolific cheater trains Walter Matthau on the ins and outs. In the end, Morse gets caught cheating when he doesn't follow his own rules. LOL.

[WyattEarp]

For Thailand and Vietnam you don't need SA. There are several choices for you. Use your charm at the malls, coffee shops, use as that have search nearby features like We. Or use Thai cupid or Vietnam cupid. All those apps are direct short time GFE.Very good advice for Solstrum. Things just kind of happen in Thailand and Vietnam. Thai and Vietnamese "civilian" girls are very friendly towards foreigners particularly Western men. As a general rule, I try to be charming, but discreet. Discreet as in I don't make my interest to obvious in front of friends or coworkers. Some SEA girls won't engage as much in front of their peers.

If something doesn't pan out quickly with a civilian in Thailand, many of the young go-go girls are very sweet. Some who speak some English are very good at being tour guides during the day and sexual partners at night. They are usually not very expensive if they know you will take them out and about and they have a sure thing for the night. They might have to pay the bar a small fee for their absence.

I met a hardcore freelancer in a Bangkok bar who was a 9 in any world. She seriously looked like Tia Carrere and fucked like a pornstar. When we first hooked up, I thought she was going to want to run out the hotel when we were done. She slept over and was very eager to show me around. We worked out an arrangement where for her typical nightly fee we would hang out, tour the Bangkok environs, fuck once during the day and again at night.

I haven't been to Vietnam in awhile. I don't know if they still have the barbershop hand job girls. They were very sweet and pretty girls as well. Language was more of an issue in Vietnam though. I did spend time with a very sexy and horny girl who worked at the tourist market. Clearly, her English was better if not perfect.

[Steve 9696]

Steve. Steve,

What happened to your age range? Aren't Andrea and Monic at an age where you feel they are too interested in getting married?

I feel this is like Guide for the married man where Robert Morse the prolific cheater trains Walter Matthau on the ins and outs. In the end, Morse gets caught cheating when he doesn't follow his own rules. LOL.You are so right. I was letting my dick wander in the wilderness. Shame on me! I had in fact come to my senses and was down to only Cat 21 and Michelle 25 with Monica 22 as backup. Cat couldn't meet up and didn't keep my attention in the end so Michelle it is. She's just so amazingly girlfriendy — we chat nightly — and she's still in school (graduate school) so that's a plus. Feel pretty good about her. Fingers crossed.

Meanwhilst I'the like to reiterate how keeping in touch with girls long term can work if you have a connection. Alexa awesome weekend date was a full 10 months after we hooked up. And just yesterday I pinged a girl in London who I fucked last February 2020 and she engaged in convo. No way you bother with that when you look like her unless there's a future hookup on both our minds. Fingers crossed for a few months hence.

[Akibono]

BTW, is anyone else annoyed with this "gift wishlist" in SA. "Have you seen my wishlist? View Here" link is attached to every girl's profile below About Me section. WTF! Does SA count this as an innovation? Like a feature Facebook or Twitter adding new features, such as Stories or Marketplace or Memories?

Seriously, as if some of these sugarbabes / gold-diggers were not pestering the men enough to send gifts before ever meeting or saying Hello, in person, now SA itself sprinkled holy water on this abominable practice and made it official.

If I want to give a gift to a girl after I met her, I would do so in person. Only the stupidest person would ever gift some unknown person w / o sight seen.

Obviously, SA has become super greedy and wants to make money from this absurd thing. I guess they would take their haircut from every gift sent. I have never used the Chinese sites (MW knows, I am sure) but the likes of Momo / Tantan facilitate gift giving between the male patron to the female talent, from my understanding and the platform / site takes a hefty cut. As if SA's $90 to $100 a month was not enough, they launched this "feature". A total disgrace in my view. Now every girl is thinking she should be showered with expensive gifts delivered home daily from a bunch of guys just because she put up some stolen, fake photos on SA..It is definitely a profit center for SA. I ignore it. Most of the gifts are overpriced trashy stuff. If I wanted to give a girl a gift it would be in person and not overpriced junk. There are always a few guys with more money than sense.

[DramaFree11]

It is definitely a profit center for SA. I ignore it. Most of the gifts are overpriced trashy stuff. If I wanted to give a girl a gift it would be in person and not overpriced junk. There are always a few guys with more money than sense.I looked at briefly and laughed.

[Steve 9696]

So before we get to the report out, a word for those drop in haters who say every girl who takes money for an evening together is a pro, please don't drop in anymore! Michelle is soooo not a pro. In fact she's pretty awkward! Both on the date and during sex. She's an inexperienced real girl trying to figure it all out. You can absolutely tell by spending time with her. And what pro (who is quite pretty) is going to take $300 and spend the night and eat breakfast and let you drop her back at her place? This girl is the best of SA girlfriends — yes I'the enjoy her more if she drank like a fish and was wild and fun; but it's nice to just connect with someone and know she's having as much fun as you are. Read on for the full detail.

If you have been following my pregame here, after some research I settled on Michelle. Very girlfriendy and much more real girl than pro. We chat nearly every day including day of the event.

About midday on meetup day she asks if she can ask me a question and I say sure. She asks when I last got tested (for STD). Surprised, I say it was about a year ago but not to worry. And she says it's been two years since she's "been intimate". Was not sure this was true at the time but think it is now. Anyhow she's just said, quite clearly that sex is on the table. So it's on!

We meet up for dinner at an Italian place and frankly it's not the best. Food is mediocre and service rushed. Plus Michelle doesn't drink so it doesn't flow or get very romantic. I do take her hands at one point to look at her nails (recommended pro SD move) and she shows no resistance.

After a super short (20 minutes?) dinner it feels odd to just go to the room and I want a bit of romantic lead up so we go for a walk. Arm around her a couple times and holding hands a lot. No question she is down.

When we walk back and are close to the hotel she says it feels so good to get out on the town. She hasn't done it in so long. You guys know I am a super nice guy and honestly I don't want to just pump and dump so I Ask if she wants to go out somewhere fun and we agree to go to a rooftop bar.

I rented a hot little convertible, which we are soon rocking down the boulevard with the top down. We agreed on some Regaetton and have that on as we cruise. Unfortunately the club has a line of cars round the block just waiting to park. No go. I say you want to just hang at the hotel and she is down. So we spent about 20-30 minutes cruising and just returned. But it was a fun time. She was really thrilled to be the hot girl in the drop top sports car (she told me at dinner she was the ugly duckling growing up and late bloomer) So I am glad we did that.

In room we are pretty quick to making out. She has an odd style of kissing but it's not bad — just different. And before long we shed her LBD and my clothes She has an amazing set of CEE cups which I enjoy though she's not too responsive.

I work my way down and damn does she have a tiny pussy. Like maybe 2. 5 inches top to bottom. You would think my thick dick would later struggle but she's plenty wet and a good solid tightness without being too tight. But before that I give her some raging DATY.

She starts out so slow — like not making a sound. Total starfish. But then a minor moan and leg twitch. Ok. I keep at it. And it builds. Eventually she is having full on totally into it hip grindin and moaning. Lots of clit work and she gasps when I put a finger inside. Eventually end up finger fucking her and her gspot with two fingers and man she is out there in heaven somewhere.

Surprisingly she never fully orgasms but she has a helluva a ride. She's very direct and comfortable with sex talk and later during pillow talk says "You're really good with that cunnilingus thing. That's what you call it right?" Haha babe yes that's what doctors call it but whatever — I'll take the pat on the back.

We swap it up and she does a credible blowjob. She starts too fast but when I slow her down she is really great. Lots of deep throat. Some nice tongue work around the head while she has it in her mouth.

Eventually I've got to fuck her and do. She starts on top and rides for a very long time. Making scrunchy faces that only real girls do when working up an O. Finally after a super long ride, which does little for me, she says she's tired so I offer to switch to mish.

The mish is very very good. Sopping wet and a nice fit. Some great hungry passionate kissing. I pump for maybe ten more minutes and shoot a nice load inside her.

Afterwards we cuddle naked on the bed. And she comments how much she misses cuddling and that she hasn't done it in a long time. I want to do this for her so we cuddle for quite some time — even doze off a bit.

Maybe 45 minutes later we start to stroke and light kiss and it's on again. I finger her a ton — still sloppy as hell — and she blows me again. It's a little tough to finish me but I ask I she can do my balls which she dutifully does (well!) as I finish by hand. A nice solid shot. She gets a wet towel. Nice girl.

We go back to cuddling and I ask if she wants to stay over and have breakfast in the morning. She quickly checks and says she only has yoga at 930 so sure! The overnight is really nice with lots of cuddling and spooning to start but eventually sleeping apart and getting some quality sleep.

In the morning we cuddle more (she loves this) but eventually engage mouths where the kissing passion grows and we are eventually onto morning "cunnilingus" LOL, BJ and fucking. I end up not being Viagra enhanced and can't quite finish things up. She's good but not great in the sack and can't quite coach a shot but she works hard and I enjoy myself.

She skips yoga and we have a nice breakfast together where she openly jokes about the walk of shame and her in her little black dress at breakfast. But like a champ she says who cares and we rock on. After, we hop in the drop top and I drive her to her place, only a small drive away.

As she exits I think I will get a peck even if she's slightly embarrassed middle of the street with the top down. So I say give me a kiss baby and pull her face to me. I surely read the "just a peck" wrong. She engages in a full passionate DFK for about a minute that left me thinking. Damn kinda like this girl.

So even tho she's a bit awkward and the sex not top notch, she is a quality human that I enjoy spending time with. Will very likely repeat though Mika is pinging me about our next adventure and on pure sex appeal and bedroom time she wins hands down. Have a few weeks to decide and can't go wrong. Still got my first world problems man!

[Midwestern]

Read on for the full detail.

Steve, I sometimes get jealous reading your FRs, but I recently had some good pussies on a recent business trip, and so I was able to enjoy reading your FR without being jealous, LOL. Anyway, I will provide a FR of my own shortly. Right now, I am swamped with work.

[Luminous]

Hi -- Wanted to check if anyone has experience with SA in Budapest. Please share easy it was to connect and how the experience was.

Thanks!

[LshRoomer]

Nice report sir. Keep them coming. I'm about to go on a trip and I'm excited to get SA back up and running. I'll report here if things go well in Madrid.

[DramaFree11]

Friday evening I met my regular Sugar Baby from San Antonio. We met for drinks and some fun. She is a little crazy, but reliable and fun to be around. She is a solid 7, sex is ok, but nothing like the girls from MTY. She leaves around 1 am. I wake up early and drive to MTY and the craziness begins.

1. I get to hotel around 11:45 am. The hotel will not let me check in early. The manager shows up and that is taken care of, off to my suite. I meet the first girl, we had met before, about 1.5 years ago, but she says she does not remember me. This meeting was much better, she is very worried about Covid, but we had a great session.

2. Next meeting is with the Model. We had not seen each other for about 4 weeks, her crazy add parents are in town and they are very strict, even though she is 28. Great everything, but Anal.

3. I meet another girl around 7 pm, she offers to spend the night, but I declined, I was exhausted and Sunday was gong to be wild.

4. Sunday, First regular shows up at 9 am. Anal and everything else included. I faked and orgasm.

5. A new girl shows up at 11 am. So cute and nice. Holly shit we have 90 minutes of great sex totally amazing. No Anal, but everything else.

6. Model show up, great sex and companionship. Faked the Orgasm.

7. Next regular show up, everything, with Anal and Rimming.

9. Another regular shows up at 6:15 Great Sex and Rimming.

I run into the hotel GM, we have became friends. This was around 8;15, he asked how everything was going, I said great. Then I told him I was driving back to SA that night. He said I was crazy, kind of. I told I had one more meeting, he just laughed. The last girl shows up. She is the one I met from one of the Agency. She is great, perfect English and great sex. We hit for about an hour. I grab my shit and take off. I get to the border around 12:30 am. I am exhausted. I drive about 45 minutes I pull over and go to sleep. I sleep 2 hours drive to work. I worked all day outside. I get home and pass out. What a great trip. A little too much, but my time is very limited now, working a lot with the new business Not bad for 51 hours.

[MiamiBoy1]

Any luck with SA girls in MDE, guys?

I used it in Bogota recently and it was a disaster. The response rate was way too low, and the flake rate was through the roof. I barely scored any dates. It was way better the last time I was in Bogota back in February.

Now I'm in MDE, and was wondering if SA here is any better (or worse? Since most girls seem to be pros) and I'm debating if I should renew my membership or not bother. Trying to work Tinder, but no luck so far.

If you have good SA contacts to share, please PM me.

[Butch145]

I renewed my SA for a trip to turkey and got a bunch of numbers of girls for prep up work before I get into Turkey in a few weeks. Figure line up a 1 dozen to have as I wish and go from there.

[DramaFree11]

Any luck with SA girls in MDE, guys?

I used it in Bogota recently and it was a disaster. The response rate was way too low, and the flake rate was through the roof. I barely scored any dates. It was way better the last time I was in Bogota back in February.

Now I'm in MDE, and was wondering if SA here is any better (or worse? Since most girls seem to be pros) and I'm debating if I should renew my membership or not bother. Trying to work Tinder, but no luck so far.

If you have good SA contacts to share, please PM me.There are much better destinations then MDE. Very over rated destinations. Way too many sex tourists and the food sucks. If you like fake and big asses maybe.

[Steve 9696]

Just going to throw this out there. One should never be so busy at work to not have time to write sex reports for your buddies. It's just morally wrong. Just sayin. 😜.

[Steve 9696]

Friday evening I met my regular Sugar Baby from San Antonio. We met for drinks and some fun. She is a little crazy, but reliable and fun to be around. She is a solid 7, sex is ok, but nothing like the girls from MTY. She leaves around 1 am. I wake up early and drive to MTY and the craziness begins.

1. I get to hotel around 11:45 am. The hotel will not let me check in early. The manager shows up and that is taken care of, off to my suite. I meet the first girl, we had met before, about 1.5 years ago, but she says she does not remember me. This meeting was much better, she is very worried about Covid, but we had a great session.

2. Next meeting is with the Model. We had not seen each other for about 4 weeks, her crazy add parents are in town and they are very strict, even though she is 28. Great everything, but Anal.

3. I meet another girl around 7 pm, she offers to spend the night, but I declined, I was exhausted and Sunday was gong to be wild.

4. Sunday, First regular shows up at 9 am. Anal and everything else included. I faked and orgasm.

5. A new girl shows up at 11 am. So cute and nice. Holly shit we have 90 minutes of great sex totally amazing. No Anal, but everything else.

6. Model show up, great sex and companionship. Faked the Orgasm.

7. Next regular show up, everything, with Anal and Rimming.

9. Another regular shows up at 6:15 Great Sex and Rimming.

I run into the hotel GM, we have became friends. This was around 8;15, he asked how everything was going, I said great. Then I told him I was driving back to SA that night. He said I was crazy, kind of. I told I had one more meeting, he just laughed. The last girl shows up. She is the one I met from one of the Agency. She is great, perfect English and great sex. We hit for about an hour. I grab my shit and take off. I get to the border around 12:30 am. I am exhausted. I drive about 45 minutes I pull over and go to sleep. I sleep 2 hours drive to work. I worked all day outside. I get home and pass out. What a great trip. A little too much, but my time is very limited now, working a lot with the new business Not bad for 51 hours.Wow. Didn't know you could just bop over to Mexico, fuck a handful or chicks and drive back. That is amazingly cool. Well more than a handful really I lost count. I think you may have set some sort of record. Certainly most chicks in 24 hours outside an FKK. I am amazed all the logistics lined up especially given this is SA (or some are Facebook chicks? I guess it helps that many are repeats.

Anyhow great job. Truly amazing in terms of hitting it hard and heavy. I thought I was the king but.

Funny but I think we met in the Moscow thread. Amazing to be discussing the SA scene. Never thought I'the fuck on American soil yet here we are!! Thank you SA!

[Midwestern]

Lately, I have been having success getting bareback after DATY. I have two theories about this. First, DATY turns the girl on so much that she is down to bareback. Second, the girl will let you bareback her to show her appreciation for DATY.

What do you guys think? I used to hate DATY on pros, but lately it has been leading to bareback sex. It happened for the first time a couple of months ago. I tried it out recently on a couple of new pros (one that I knew before and one who was new), and it worked out both times.

[Steve 9696]

Lately, I have been having success getting bareback after DATY. I have two theories about this. First, DATY turns the girl on so much that she is down to bareback. Second, the girl will let you bareback her to show her appreciation for DATY.

What do you guys think? I used to hate DATY on pros, but lately it has been leading to bareback sex. It happened for the first time a couple of months ago. I tried it out recently on a couple of new pros (one that I knew before and one who was new), and it worked out both times.So I don't bareback a lot but I think the answer to your question is that is more the second thing — you get them off they want to please you back. There is some post orgasm euphoria that works different for guys and girls. Guys just want to be left alone and sleep. Girls want to give back in kind.

I will never forget Andressa at Scandallo — the way she looked at me after surprising her with a real orgasm from DATY (was 100% real with a ton of mega pussy clamps on my finger). It was amazement and gratefulness and genuine Fondness if I can use that word. And then she serviced me like no other! DATY is def the way to their heart.

[DramaFree11]

Wow. Didn't know you could just bop over to Mexico, fuck a handful or chicks and drive back. That is amazingly cool. Well more than a handful really I lost count. I think you may have set some sort of record. Certainly most chicks in 24 hours outside an FKK. I am amazed all the logistics lined up especially given this is SA (or some are Facebook chicks? I guess it helps that many are repeats.

Anyhow great job. Truly amazing in terms of hitting it hard and heavy. I thought I was the king but.

Funny but I think we met in the Moscow thread. Amazing to be discussing the SA scene. Never thought I'the fuck on American soil yet here we are!! Thank you SA!Yes, American women drive me crazy. I miss Moscow, I was hoping to return for Christmas, but I am not sure now. I doubt there will be much of a Nightlife left in Moscow, if the Virus continues, so sad.

[Akibono]

So I don't bareback a lot but I think the answer to your question is that is more the second thing you get them off they want to please you back. There is some post orgasm euphoria that works different for guys and girls. Guys just want to be left alone and sleep. Girls want to give back in kind.

I will never forget Andressa at Scandallo the way she looked at me after surprising her with a real orgasm from DATY (was 100% real with a ton of mega pussy clamps on my finger). It was amazement and gratefulness and genuine Fondness if I can use that word. And then she serviced me like no other! DATY is def the way to their heart.In general, you are much more likely to get bb service if a girl trusts you and likes you. That starts by good hygiene. But you know this already. So, yes, if she enjoys sex with you she is unlikely to focus on safety. The downside is her trapping you because she likes you too much. That is more drama to deal with.

[Steve 9696]

So as I considered whether to repeat with slightly awkward but pretty Michelle or fly in a more dynamic girl, the question was answered for me. Some personal plans changed and suddenly I am going to be with my girl for 2 days and 3 nights pretty much non stop. Given that, I need a girl I can spend 24 x7 with and not get bored. And that's not Michelle unfortunately.

My first thought was my crush Alexa who I have traveled before and it was awesome. We'the always said we'the repeat but she'the been a bit cool of late. Nonetheless I thought what the heck and reached out. She was totally down for it but couldn't get a day off work with her new job. Still it was good that I asked and she was down. Says she's def down after her 90 day Newbie period at work is done.

So then I pinged Mika and she was totally down to go. Yes would have loved Alexa. But Mika is going to be dynamite. Need to make up for the "lady issues" last visit. And yes we have both counted the days and are in safe territory! Should be awesome.

[WyattEarp]

Friday evening I met my regular Sugar Baby from San Antonio. We met for drinks and some fun. She is a little crazy, but reliable and fun to be around. She is a solid 7, sex is ok, but nothing like the girls from MTY. She leaves around 1 am. I wake up early and drive to MTY and the craziness begins.DF, can you provide info on the drive from Laredo to MTY? I presume you think it's safe. Do you stay on the main thoroughfare? Do you avoid making stops? Is there anything else to consider?

I've thought about driving through Mexico, perhaps down the Baja coast.

[Midwestern]

Took a 6-day business trip to Beijing. Here's long and boring full report.

Day 1: Arranged to spend the first night with a former outcall girl. I will call her LL. I was not sure what the hotel situation was going to be like, so I asked her to book a room for us on AirBnB. That night, I meet my friends for drinks and we get totally wasted. Then I get a car to meet LL at our room, but to my disappointment, she was still on her period. I was kind of mad, but we still fooled around and she gave me lots of nice long blowjobs, and since I was super drunk, I eventually do not care about not getting laid and I pass out.

Here is some boring backstory on LL, which you can skip. I met her 10 years ago. She was the prettiest girl that I met from this escort agency that I used regularly, and she had a great little body with some nice fake tits. We met regularly for over a year, but then I stopped seeing her because I thought she stole money from me, but then I later found the lost money on the day that I moved out of Beijing. So that was tragic. Anyway, I rekindled with her on a business trip to Beijing later. She had stopped being a WG, she now owned a condo in her hometown, and she was now a part owner of several small businesses (one is a small bubble tea shop). She was also engaged to be married to her longtime boyfriend. However, she never forgot me, and we met up and we had bareback sex. I was shocked that we had bareback sex. She said that she only has sex with her fianc now, and so she was safe and clean. She was the first person that I had barebacked in a while who I was not having a real relationship with. Anyway, we meet up and have sex every time I come to Beijing on business. I still pay her. She always insist that I do not pay her, but she still accepts the money.

Day 2: I wake up hungover, so I am not up for fooling around with LL. I leave, but promise to see her the next day, after her period was over. That night, I was going to see a girl that had a crush me from 9 years ago. I will call her JJ. We only went out once 9 years ago, and we made out, but I was not that into her, so I never asked her out again. However, during the pandemic, she suddenly contacted me, and we became chat buddies. So, I told her that I would be in Beijing and we should meet for a drink. I was planning on fucking her that night, because she looked good in her recent WeChat pictures. But just in case I could not fuck her, I arranged an incall with a new person. The incall was fantastic. Really surprised how great her body was. Very slim. And her English was very good. As soon as we finished, I walked to the bar from her place to meet JJ. We get pretty drunk, and we are touching each all over, but she drinks too much and she suddenly said she had to go home. So I walked her to a taxi. I then stayed out and tried to find a sleazy MP to get laid in, but no success and ended up with a real massage and then went to my hotel room and I slept alone.

Day 3: During the last two days, I notice that many escorts were coming to the hotel. I know they were escorts because most hot girls do not just wait at the elevators for a guy to bring them up, unless they are escorts. So, I told LL to come to my hotel to spend the night. Just in case she was still on her period, I contacted someone that I knew from many years ago. I will call her KY. She was never a real escort, but she fucked my friend for money on a regular basis, and this friend would let his friends fuck her too, including me. She had huge tits and gave amazing blowjobs. Anyway, I had not seen her in over five years. When I contacted her, she had no idea who I was, and I told her that we had fucked a few times, and she said it was impossible she could not remember me. But after exchanging about 30 fucking texts that lasted a few hours, she finally agreed to come over. She arrived in the afternoon, and she remembered me when she saw me, and we started fooling around. Eventually, we are barebacking passionately. We went at it for almost two hours. I wanted to stop, because I was getting exhausted, but she wanted to keep going. Eventually, I told her that I had to go to work. I gave her some money and she left. A few minutes later, she sends me a text, saying that she had not been laid in over three years, and that this was the best and happiest day that she has had since the pandemic. Indeed, the sex was amazing and passionate. She was into it. But I decided I would not see her again on this trip because she had put on over 10 pounds since I last saw her, and when I last saw her, she was already 10 pounds overweight. Anyway, that night, LL comes over. We are drinking together, and then we start fooling around. We start barebacking, but she is squirming around, which was really annoying. She said that she had just shaved her pussy smooth for me, to make the night a special occasion, but I had shaved my entire cock a week earlier and so my slight stubble was irritating her cleanly, smoothly, freshly shaven vagina. This was super annoying. Every time I tried to fuck her, she complained that my cock stubble was irritating her freshly shaven and thus sensitive vagina. So, I just fucked her until she came, and then I kept drinking while she fell asleep.

Day 4: I get breakfast with LL and then we part ways. Normally, I fuck girls the day after spending the night together, but I was just annoyed with LL. I was hoping that LL was going to be my sleeping mate most of my nights in Beijing, but I decided to bail on that plan. So, I texted an ex-SB of mine, who was always willing to meet me when I was on business trips. She is tall and thin, and loved DATY and bareback sex. So, I asked her to come to Beijing that day, and spend the next couple of nights with me, but she said she could not on such short notice. I was pretty bummed. I should have planned better. Anyway, that night, I met a former GF of mine from 10 years ago. I will call her WT. We met at her apartment, and I bareback fucked her for a few hours, and then as I was resting, she told me to go back to my hotel. She always does this, so I was fine with it.

Here is some boring backstory about WT. She is a celebrity. We met at an event about 10 years ago, and we hit it off, and so we then went for a drink afterwards and we kissed. A week later, we went out on a date to dinner, but she was always being recognized by so many people. That night, she spent the night at my place and we had passionate sex. Since that night, we just met for sex on a regular basis. We never went out in public ever again. And then, after I moved from Beijing, any time I returned to Beijing, we would meet up and have passionate sex. That is all that we did. The kind of weird thing is that she prefers to sleep alone. So, she always bolted after sex at my place, or she always asked me to leave after sex at her place. I actually kind of like this.

Day 5: I was going to get drunk with my buddies again that night, but I decided to get laid first. I made an incall appointment with a new girl. When I arrived, I was shocked at how young and great her body was. She had the firm body of a 23 year old, because she was 23 years old, haha. Anyway, she gave great service, and so I asked her if I could return to spend the night that night, and she said okay. That night, I get hammered, and when I am done, I texted her, but she said she was busy, and so I went to sleep alone at my hotel.

Day 6: This was my last day in Beijing before leaving early the next day. So, I decided to fuck 4 or 5 girls that day. First, I made an appointment with the 23 year old again. It was great. I asked if I could bareback her, and she said it would cost $750. I balked, and then she said $600. I still balked. Then she said we could bareback next time, when she knew for sure she was not in risk of getting pregnant. Then I contacted an MP manager that I knew, and I asked her if she had any girls available for sex. She said she had two girls available for sex that day. So, I made an appointment with one of them. I arrive, we have pretty good sex. After I leave, I contact the MP manager and tell her I was going to return in 30 minutes to fuck the other girl. She said okay. When I return, the girl asks me what I want and I said sex, and she was surprised and said no. So I contacted the MP manager and told her the girl does not offer FS and the manager apologizes and I leave. I get back to the hotel at 4 pm. I think I am still able to fuck more two more girls that day, before I meet a friend for drinks at 9 pm. So, I contact an outcall escort agency. Unfortunately, the girl is late, due to traffic. But she was worth the wait. When she finally arrives, I am a little surprised at how very cute she is. And, I am surprised by her enthusiasm. She says she cannot believe how handsome I am and what a great body I have. I know this is just bullshit, but it makes me feel good. Anyway, we get naked, and she is so hot and yet very tiny. I ask her about her height and weight, and she is under 5 feet tall, and weights 70 pounds. I feel like a fucking humongous giant. I feel like I am fucking an elf or a fairy. It was super passionate. Eventually, I notice that it is after 8 pm, and I had to meet a friend for drinks. So, I tell her that I had to leave. Before she left, the front desk calls me. He says that someone complained about the loud sex noises. She was quite the screamer. But I said I did not understand Chinese, because I do not, and so he hung up and she left. Then my friend came over and we got drunk on wine. After he left, I went out and got a bunch of KFC to bring back to the hotel. I ate it and passed out. Next morning, I left Beijing.

So, I got laid 9 times with 7 different women in 6 days. There is no moral of this story, except maybe this: One should always keep old contacts. When a girl has fucked you once before, she is usually okay to fuck you again.

The end.

[DramaFree11]

Took a 6-day business trip to Beijing. Here's long and boring full report.

Day 1: Arranged to spend the first night with a former outcall girl. I will call her LL. I was not sure what the hotel situation was going to be like, so I asked her to book a room for us on AirBnB. That night, I meet my friends for drinks and we get totally wasted. Then I get a car to meet LL at our room, but to my disappointment, she was still on her period. I was kind of mad, but we still fooled around and she gave me lots of nice long blowjobs, and since I was super drunk, I eventually do not care about not getting laid and I pass out.

Here is some boring backstory on LL, which you can skip. I met her 10 years ago. She was the prettiest girl that I met from this escort agency that I used regularly, and she had a great little body with some nice fake tits. We met regularly for over a year, but then I stopped seeing her because I thought she stole money from me, but then I later found the lost money on the day that I moved out of Beijing. So that was tragic. Anyway, I rekindled with her on a business trip to Beijing later.Sounds a lot of fun and a great trip.

[DramaFree11]

DF, can you provide info on the drive from Laredo to MTY? I presume you think it's safe. Do you stay on the main thoroughfare? Do you avoid making stops? Is there anything else to consider?

I've thought about driving through Mexico, perhaps down the Baja coast.There are a lot of reports on the MTY and Laredo reports. I encourage you to read them, there is some great information. I do feel the toll road from Laredo to MTY is safe. I do not feel Laredo is safe after 10 pm. I do drive in Laredo occasionally, but it is straight to the hotel. Laredo is dangerous, but if you are not doing drugs or hanging out in the bars, you will be fine.

There is always danger driving in Mexico, you do need to be careful, but I do feel for Americans it is safe, as long as you are not selling or seeking drugs.

[Nounce]

Took a 6-day business trip to Beijing. Here's long and boring full report.Where can I get this type of job? I will work for free. LOL.

[Lois Sanborn]

Hey all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've just started dipping my toes in the SA pool, and the first case I've set up seems to be some type of scam? I don't see the point though. So I've been browsing the Colombia threads and this thread on how to set something up. I find a girl whose profile mentions wanting mutual benefits multiple times, so I ask about setting up a date. She asks me "in exchange for what?" So I tell her let's take things to whatsapp, where we discuss the concept of mutual benefits and what exactly it is that I want. I tell her I'm looking for sex, at which point she tells me that I've seen her photos, but she hasn't seen my photos. I figure, that's fair, so I upload a selfie (I realize someone in the thread mentioning to tell them to wait for a face to face, but I forgot in the heat of the moment), at which point she stops responding and blocks me. My most paranoid thought is it's a scam to get my photo and try to find me through social media to extort me. My other thought is I'm an uggo and she instinctively hit block, LOL. Anyone familiar with this?

[Steve 9696]

Doh. I was thinking about my fave girls recently and Valentina came to mind. Even tho she broke my heart and wallet in the end, the initial experience was so awesome it was worth it. I realized I only posted Part 1 in here. Part 2 was mostly gratuitous sex so we will skip that. But Part 3 was a highlight in my rather extensive career!

Recall that Valentina is a 20 year old Peruvian girl living in Buenos Aires who speaks impeccable English And is very very sexual open and really just fun to be with. This was Sunday night after having fucked after lunch and then napping.

She has selected Italian again (we ate pasta almost every meal) and she has selected a really nice and romantic place called Aldo. It is really just to die for how romantic we are becoming as a couple. And so fast. We get a nice corner table and order a bottle of Chardonnay. We were originally going to just order glasses, but it's so cheap ($10 for a nice bottle! WTF?) we just order the bottle, thinking we'll just leave the leftover. And of course we order the same dish -- a truly spectacular ravioli with walnuts and gorgonzola in oil. Wow, was it good. And again, what are the chances she'd like that? Unbelievable.

Lovely romantic dinner with lots of laughter. She is such a dichotomy; because she's kind of shy about her beauty but a vixen in bed. I tend to want to stare into her liquid brown eyes but she shies away. We do manage to hold a gaze for about five seconds and it just melts me.

Dinner is so comfortable, I decide to ask her to London. I had dropped a hint on this back during our prior texting so it shouldn't come as a total surprise. I say, "You don't have to answer now but I want you to consider it. " But she says absolutely -- she'd love to (later she confesses she joined Seeking for just this type of thing but hadn't expected it to really happen! Yeah me too!

So I am on cloud nine for the rest of dessert and of course we finished the bottle of wine so we are both feeling super happy. This goddess is headed to London with me. But as we wrap up dinner she says she has something to tell me and some bad news and I think "FUCK here goes London".

We call a cab but are in a quiet part of town so we have at least ten minutes to wait. There is an adjacent vacant lobby courtyard so we move out there to wait -- our own private little world. So what she wanted to tell me was there was a group of guys at dinner staring at her and they'd said Hi when she went to the restroom. She is quite uncomfortable in the role of sex symbol. But fuck she is a head turner.

But now the bad news. She just started her period! She is so sweet when she breaks this news to me that I almost don't care. And she quickly assures me not to worry she will still take care of me. And her being the Goddess of Head, I don't really see a problem with this.

So she is seated at a little table and I am standing holding hands with her. Making conversation, she asks me if I've ever been to a swingers club. And I say no -- seems like older or fat people hooking up. She says no, she's been before with a friend and they just watch and it's lots of fun. <pregnant pause. And then says."Do you want to go?" Of course me being me, I say sure! She gets up and hugs me and we just slow dance and make out till the cab has arrived.

So we go to the first place and it is closed on Sundays. There is only one other but, jackpot, it's open. When we come in they offer Tequila shots and we both decline because of course neither of us likes Tequila. We go to the bar and she orders a Caipirinnia and of course I love those and have one too.

After we kill our drinks she takes me upstairs to where the action is. I am imagining a glass window where we watch or something but we push through some curtains and we are in a very dark room with a big round leather bed, another leather queen in the corner and probably five or six leather benches spread around the perimeter of the room. There is no one there but us.

So we flop down on the round bed and start DFKing and dry fucking like two kids in love. I mean WOW; we have our clothes on but it is totally mind blowing. She says let's see if they sell tampons because she can take hers out and we can fuck and it's dark and no one will know she's on her period. Ok baby. Whatever Baby wants. And if Baby wants my cock inside her, who am I to refuse?

So we go buy a tampon at the coat check. Valentina complains because it's fifty cents (these girls and their economics are so different from mine!) -- and back we go to the leather bed after a bathroom stop. And we pick up where we left off. Before long, I am on my back and she has my pants around my ankles and she is blowing the fuck out of me. As we are both into it, we are sort of oblivious. But as we take a break we notice a guy fucking the hell out of a girl in mish over on the bed. Real hip slapping stuff! And another guy on the bench getting a handjob. It is incredibly sexy to be right here with other people fucking and just watch or be watched.

We are back at it for a while and I notice a couple watching us, as my cock slams in and out of her mouth, timed with her squeak moans. It's kinda fun and naughty to have people watch. As we take another break, we notice handjob-guy is getting cowgirl on the bench from his gal. So we move to the other bench to do the same. In doing so, we realize keeping track of our clothes and shoes in the dark is very hard! At one point I am chasing her (not yet unwrapped) tampon as it rolls across the floor and at the end I have to look high and low for her dress, only to find it under some girl who is getting DATY on our bed. LOL.

Anyhow, we cowgirl away for a while as the room fills up. Not the cast of the bachelorette but no really fat old bald dudes either. Probably ten couples in total. We move to doggie and I start pumping away. There is this couple on the same bench just next to us. He is feeling up her pussy and she is face to face with Valentina. She says something in Spanish and Valentina asks me, "is it ok if I kiss her?" Sweet of her to ask, and what baby wants.

As I look up from fucking my hot little twenty year old, I notice three couples standing no more than a foot away, watching me bang my girl. I guess we've become the feature attraction. (she is the best looking girl in any situation by a mile). And it feels ok to be watched. Even sort of exhilarating. (One guy politely asks if he can touch my girl but I say he has to ask her and she declines. Everything feels very consensual, polite and safe.).

So yes, here I am being watched fucking my hottie in doggie, as she makes out with another chick and I survey the rest of the room. Blowjobs, mish, and cowgirl all around me. This is clearly the highlight of my highly accomplished sexual career! This cannot be equalled.

After a while, I tell her I want some mish and of course she obliges (I can fuck forever, this being my eighth fuck in four days, including just a few hours ago). The round bed is half occupied with a girl sitting on a guy's face so we join adjacent and do some great mish. Eventually, always the sweetheart, she says "what can I do to make you cum baby?" And we lose the condom for a nice BBBJ close out. The couple on the bed with us has moved to 69 and I alternate between watching him eat pussy and her swallowing his cock. This is kind of a mind-blowing experience, while being blown yourself! Eventually the goddess gets the goods. CIM and swallow of course.

I mean what girl invites you to swingers club, blows and fucks you for over an hour, and swallows like a champ? And she is goddamn beautiful and a ton of fun outside the bedroom to boot. What a fucking goddess!

So after all this, there is a drag queen show which is apparently fucking hilarious in Spanish. Even though I don't understand, watching her belly laugh for another hour is just great fun. There is also a very sexy show where a male and female stripper get the crowd going then get back on stage and, I shit you not, she gets out his rock hard cock and they get totally naked and simulate some doggie fucking. It's super sexy but both of us are pretty shocked when it escalated from stripping to fucking!

We finally pack it in around 2 AM and she heads back to her Mom's house. It is just too funny -- I am fucking a girl that lives with her mom! And I can't get enough of her! (Actually, now that I think about it, about half my non-pro girls live with their Mom! Too funny.).

[Steve 9696]

Hey all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've just started dipping my toes in the SA pool, and the first case I've set up seems to be some type of scam? I don't see the point though. So I've been browsing the Colombia threads and this thread on how to set something up. I find a girl whose profile mentions wanting mutual benefits multiple times, so I ask about setting up a date. She asks me "in exchange for what?" So I tell her let's take things to whatsapp, where we discuss the concept of mutual benefits and what exactly it is that I want. I tell her I'm looking for sex, at which point she tells me that I've seen her photos, but she hasn't seen my photos. I figure, that's fair, so I upload a selfie (I realize someone in the thread mentioning to tell them to wait for a face to face, but I forgot in the heat of the moment), at which point she stops responding and blocks me. My most paranoid thought is it's a scam to get my photo and try to find me through social media to extort me. My other thought is I'm an uggo and she instinctively hit block, LOL. Anyone familiar with this?I have an unsearchable photo so I always assume it's a rejection but I suppose it could be the other. I'm not half bad looking for an old dude but I still get ghosted by maybe 20% of the girls I send a pic to. So more than likely it's just a rejection. That said make sure your photo is not searchable!

Here's what I do — bring the photo up on the computer and take a pic of it. That guarantees it's going to be super hard to match up even with the best algorithms out there.

P.S. Unless you are in Colombia where seeking is straight up P4 P it's best to never talk about sex with a girl. Keep it vague like room time, private time, intimate time. I usually use the phrase "take things private if there's chemistry" personally.

[Oneminuteboy]

Bumped into this old thread on Reddit. Has probably been shared before. Some interesting info on pricing about 4 years ago.

hxxps://xxx.reddit.xxx/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/76stil/allowance_master_thread/ (replace xxx)

[Akibono]

I'm back at the SA scene after staying away due to covid risks. My impression is that the quality is definitely down from 15 months ago. A lot more dregs and potential scams. Still, things are looking a bit better these few days since it appears that since school is about to start, the students are in need of money. That is always a motivating factor. Got a few prospects and one high potential. She's been in an arrangement before. So, she knows the drill. The price is a bit high, but it's manageable. I'm not going to quibble too much because I find you generally get what you pay for. If you underprice, a girl will be looking for a better daddy and will be less responsive. Always give them something to lose, but don't give too much. Looking for a M & G is the next week.

It is interesting how I would divide the classes: 1) hookers in need to money; 2) people testing the waters and will probably flake; 3) people who are pissed by the fake daddies; 4) people who think there are fools who will shower them with money for nothing; 5) girls thinking it is a high end dating site; and 6) realistic girls who are looking for the right relationship. Hard weeding out the good from the bad. Thanks to all for sharing. It has certainly cut my learning curve. It is pretty clear you have to take some risks and throw out some goodies without reciprocity. But this is not a sure thing and as I said before, you have to have enough resources to play the game.

[CenTexCrash]

Google's sweeping changes Android / Play Store to stomp out sugar dating apps.

Used SA for 3 months, didn't download app, many reviews says app was glitchy and on good day it was no different than browsing on an actual browser.

[Elvis 2008]

Hey all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I've just started dipping my toes in the SA pool, and the first case I've set up seems to be some type of scam? I don't see the point though. So I've been browsing the Colombia threads and this thread on how to set something up. I find a girl whose profile mentions wanting mutual benefits multiple times, so I ask about setting up a date. She asks me "in exchange for what?" So I tell her let's take things to whatsapp, where we discuss the concept of mutual benefits and what exactly it is that I want. I tell her I'm looking for sex, at which point she tells me that I've seen her photos, but she hasn't seen my photos. I figure, that's fair, so I upload a selfie (I realize someone in the thread mentioning to tell them to wait for a face to face, but I forgot in the heat of the moment), at which point she stops responding and blocks me. My most paranoid thought is it's a scam to get my photo and try to find me through social media to extort me. My other thought is I'm an uggo and she instinctively hit block, LOL. Anyone familiar with this?When you sort the women, set the heading in the upper left corner in order such that women who are new to the site show up first. Chances are you are searching out the women who ravage the site looking for johns.

I found my GF on seeking in Bogota. She had been out with no one but me and has not asked me for a dime, and I had four others like her. Chance your searching technique and you will have better luck.

[LshRoomer]

I'm already pulling fish out of the water in Madrid in prep for next week's travel. Seems good so far. Thanks for the advice.

I'm prepping for another trip coming in the next few months and it looks like Phoenix may be my destination.

2 questions for the guys that have been to Phoenix:

Do I need a car? (simple stuff, getting to restaurants, bars, shopping, etc).

Is Seeking worth it (cost? I remember reading a thread that about 200-300 is the expected) in Phoenix (I have choices and don't necessary have to go to Phoenix)?

[MikeCct]

One last piece of advice is to repeat with the best you find. There was a guy here named Stinky Squid who found one and cut himself off from all the others. I do not recommend that. I would not have that degree of oneitis. However, if you find a good one do not think the next one is going to better. My second visit with a great Columbiana would usually trump a new one. My goal and I think the goal of guys is to find yourself a stable of keepers. Eventually, as in my case, one will probably become queen.

So meet at your hotel, coffee not a meal unless it is a quick one, no price if possible, if price say yea or nea but she is a working girl and remind yourself of that, repeat with the great ones. There are plenty there that will fuck you without being paid.Wow Elvis! Thank you so much for such a detailed post, your advice has been so helpful navigating the SA landscape in Colombia. One thing I'm curious about and would greatly appreciate your input on is going market price or avg price for the date. The girls who quote their rate upfront before negotiating seems to vary greatly from 200 k COP - 600 k COP. It seems that most will settle for 150 k - 200 k, however, I'm trying to figure out the normal going rate for a Colombian chica on Seeking and I'd really appreciate knowing your thoughts and experience on this, what have you paid / been quoted in the past, what is your take on current avg price a Colombian chica on seeking will take, and how would you recommend navigating the negotiations. Thanks again for helping out me as a beginner with all this. Any additional input or insight from others on the forum is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[WyattEarp]

2 questions for the guys that have been to Phoenix:

Do I need a car? (simple stuff, getting to restaurants, bars, shopping, etc).Phoenix is better with a car. Everything is quite spread out. You could base yourself near the Scottsdale nightlife and Uber around. I suppose you can make the SBs pick you up. This is all predicated by the ridiculous car rental prices that currently exist.

This is not specifically SA advice, but Scottsdale and the area around it have a solid nightlife scene. Girls seem to be competing with more mature women for action. The mature women are up for anything and the young girls know they can't be coy.

[Midwestern]

There used to be a time when I could fuck the same hot girl almost every day for a year. Now, I lose interest after about one month.

About you bros? Can you do long term arrangements?

I am currently in an arrangement with a girl with great tits and she seems to genuinely like me. She never wants to stop fucking when we fuck. But after two months of her, I have already starting looking elsewhere and fucking other girls, even girls that are not as hot.

Is there something wrong with me? Am I just spoiled? Is active mongering with WGs making me jaded and bored easily?

[Bdb013]

There used to be a time when I could fuck the same hot girl almost every day for a year. Now, I lose interest after about one month.

About you bros? Can you do long term arrangements?

I am currently in an arrangement with a girl with great tits and she seems to genuinely like me. She never wants to stop fucking when we fuck. But after two months of her, I have already starting looking elsewhere and fucking other girls, even girls that are not as hot.

Is there something wrong with me? Am I just spoiled? Is active mongering with WGs making me jaded and bored easily?I've got one I have been seeing for about 2 years now. She's hot, but most importantly, she is very accommodating. That being said, I still have to have new SB's often. I will typically see one a few times and move on to something new. I think it's the excitement of discovering something new and that experience. I would have probably moved on from the one I have had for two years except, she is hot, very accommodating, no drama and not high maintenance. I typically text her when I'm ready, we meet have a little fun and we are on our way again. Still I can't turn down the new stuff.

[Akibono]

There used to be a time when I could fuck the same hot girl almost every day for a year. Now, I lose interest after about one month.

About you bros? Can you do long term arrangements?

I am currently in an arrangement with a girl with great tits and she seems to genuinely like me. She never wants to stop fucking when we fuck. But after two months of her, I have already starting looking elsewhere and fucking other girls, even girls that are not as hot.

Is there something wrong with me? Am I just spoiled? Is active mongering with WGs making me jaded and bored easily?Variety is nice but so is familiarity. The analogy is visiting a new city. You struggle at first, but discovering new things is the charm. After you are familiar, it is easy but not so exciting. It all depends on what you are looking for. Some guys like the challenge and the uncertainty. I find that sex can have very many dimensions and if a girl is creative and adaptive you can have a LT relationship that is as hot as the first time. Some ways to spice things up. 1) role playing 2) dominant and submissive roles 3) anything that gets you or her out of your comfort zones 5) different locations (sex in public or on the beach).

I find a lot of time the gal feels she does not have to show appreciation or expect you to accommodate her with the passage of time. Sometimes familiarity is a plus since the gal becomes less inhibited. For example, I had an LT gal do a strip tease. Half way through I took the dominant role and stripped her naked and fondled her body like a police officer. Witty banter ensured while I pretended to be a cop and made her submit to my desires. Having control or the lack thereof can be a real turn on. The uncertainty and anticipation can be a game changer. You can also play games. Drinking games and truth or dare is always fun with the right girl. For your insatiable girl, I would start and stop the action at my whim. Have her get you hard, but you determine the fucking. If she is horny, you will be surprised at how far you can press her buttons. Threaten no more sex unless she blows you a certain way or have her describe her fantasy. Sometime filming can be a game changer even if you delete the scene after the act. The limit is creativity.

[Steve 9696]

There used to be a time when I could fuck the same hot girl almost every day for a year. Now, I lose interest after about one month.

About you bros? Can you do long term arrangements?

I am currently in an arrangement with a girl with great tits and she seems to genuinely like me. She never wants to stop fucking when we fuck. But after two months of her, I have already starting looking elsewhere and fucking other girls, even girls that are not as hot.

Is there something wrong with me? Am I just spoiled? Is active mongering with WGs making me jaded and bored easily?I'the be willing to bet that most guys on this board have figured out monogamy is a sham foisted on us by culture that has nothing to do with human nature. Man was definitely built to fuck far and wide and spread his seed and propagate our awesomeness. So it really should come as no surprise you want something new. We are wired to find new nubile girls who are young and fertile and move on to them and then repeat this repeatedly. It's basically how we are wired from birth IMO.

And yes I absolutely share your predilection for new girls regardless of how awesome the current one is. Take Mika. Nothing but awesome all around. But I still want to find my next "slightly better" girl. In no small part because I am used to her and comfortable and that's awesome but it also makes me want something new.

And conquest is another part. I think that's why some of us prefer seeking to pure hookers. There is something in the dating and seduction process that is inately appealing. And in the past few years I've had a handful or girls balk at the room. I've turned that into one fuck that night, one BJ that ended up as best friends, and one BJ that led to a full on longer term SB after date 1. Somehow knowing these girls were not down to fuck but I got past that resistance and in their pants (or mine) is just somehow exhilarating. That challenge only comes up once per girl.

[Lois Sanborn]

Thanks for the tips, Elvis and Steve. Elvis, I'm assuming you're using the desktop site? As I'm using the android app and don't see anything. I have noticed that it seems like I'm not seeing everything available whenever I browse the women. Also, how "fresh" would you say is still good? I'm not getting to Colombia until October (yes, I know I'm starting my search way too early, but it's my first time to Colombia and on sugaring sites and I'm like a dog with a new bone. I can't help myself.) But I'm looking at girls who've joined around January. May this year. Are you guys typically catching girls that are only a month or two in? Do you guys have a typical "best by" date, or do you meet up with them first and play it by ear to discern their intentions?

[Elvis 2008]

Wow Elvis! Thank you so much for such a detailed post, your advice has been so helpful navigating the SA landscape in Colombia. One thing I'm curious about and would greatly appreciate your input on is going market price or avg price for the date. The girls who quote their rate upfront before negotiating seems to vary greatly from 200 k COP - 600 k COP. It seems that most will settle for 150 k - 200 k, however, I'm trying to figure out the normal going rate for a Colombian chica on Seeking and I'd really appreciate knowing your thoughts and experience on this, what have you paid / been quoted in the past, what is your take on current avg price a Colombian chica on seeking will take, and how would you recommend navigating the negotiations. Thanks again for helping out me as a beginner with all this. Any additional input or insight from others on the forum is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!I do not like to haggle over $25 which is the difference between what 200 K and 300 k is. I would give the women 300 K and be done with it, and I had no complaints. Any woman asking for 600 k is full of themselves, and I would not say another word to them. They are throwing out a crazy number to see if you are dumb enough to pay it or have no fucking clue to as to the value of a dollar (or Peso).

$75 or 300,000 k is like a weeks' work in Colombia.

I had a chocolate bunny in Santa Fe who I would pay 100 k COP or $30 or so for an hour, and she was better looking, more toned, and a better fuck and masseuse that most anyone I met from seeking. She was GFE with me, and I liked her, but she was not really GF or wife material.

I went on seeking to find wife material even if you do not want to get married if you know what I mean. Any woman asking for 600 k up front is done with me. There are too many other options to fuck around with that.

[Elvis 2008]

Thanks for the tips, Elvis and Steve. Elvis, I'm assuming you're using the desktop site? As I'm using the android app and don't see anything. I have noticed that it seems like I'm not seeing everything available whenever I browse the women. Also, how "fresh" would you say is still good? I'm not getting to Colombia until October (yes, I know I'm starting my search way too early, but it's my first time to Colombia and on sugaring sites and I'm like a dog with a new bone. I can't help myself.) But I'm looking at girls who've joined around January. May this year. Are you guys typically catching girls that are only a month or two in? Do you guys have a typical "best by" date, or do you meet up with them first and play it by ear to discern their intentions?Lois,

I am just giving out advice now and not playing the game. I found the woman of my dreams.

I read google has banned the Seeking app I read from the play store. I cannot say I am surprised. It is the sex prison after all. But I always used the desktop version.

What is important is not so much how long that the woman has been on the site as much as she has been on other dates. Most of the women I met my first time there in 2019 were on their first date. Since I have been and had success and others followed, then the site got more popular and the johns and working girls invaded. So if they have been on the site a while, ask them how many dates they have been on.

So yeah, talk all you want. I get it. You are excited. Just do not be surprised when you get there and the women you have been super excited to meet flake out on you.

My first trip there I fell in lust with the pic of a woman in Barranquilla. So I fly out to see her and she knows I am there to see her and she flakes on me. I had a back up girl, a Morena that agreed to meet me that night, and she blew me away. She was one of the top three or five fucks I had in Colombia.

The next morning, about an hour before I left, the woman I was in lust with shows up. She is as stunning as I thought but everything was covered, but she was stuck up and a completely forgettable fuck. She asked for a crazy amount to fly to Bogota and meet me and I passed. I had Santa Fe bitches I paid $10 to who were better in bed than she was.

Point is you never know what is going to happen. I have had so many hotties that flaked and had so many women who I thought were not that great who looked awesome in person and fucked the shit out of me without asking for a dime. Just go with the flow. Enjoy your talks but do not build up expectations with any one girl.

I will say that once you actually meet a girl and are seen to be real, rescheduling is not an issue at least it was not for me. So if you have a great session, maybe go a second time with that one versus trying to score with new strange.

[Elvis 2008]

There used to be a time when I could fuck the same hot girl almost every day for a year. Now, I lose interest after about one month.

About you bros? Can you do long term arrangements?

I am currently in an arrangement with a girl with great tits and she seems to genuinely like me. She never wants to stop fucking when we fuck. But after two months of her, I have already starting looking elsewhere and fucking other girls, even girls that are not as hot.

Is there something wrong with me? Am I just spoiled? Is active mongering with WGs making me jaded and bored easily?No, chemically speaking, you are going to always get a bigger rush of dopamine, testosterone, and endorphins with a new girl. The problem is that it gets harder and harder to get those highs the more you play. I would rotate my girls to once every 2 weeks to keep things fresh when I was married.

But that is the problem with being married. You are limited on what you can get. When married, I got the best women physically had to offer but not the best emotionally. One is pleasure, and the other is happiness.

MW, it is pretty obvious to me that you and Steve are not happy in your marriages. I went through the usual litany of reasons not to divorce but the truth is I just did not want to give up the money and was afraid of the change. The divorce process totally sucked balls. But even though it was hell to go through, I cannot believe I stayed married to the ***** as long as I did.

It is funny in the sense that one reason that I fought divorce was how much it would cost me, but if today someone offered me a billion dollars to get back with that *****, I would tell them no. Seriously.

So I know why you and Steve monger, escapism. My ex could tell I went to a strip club because she said it was the only time I came home happy, but that was just a temporary fix.

When my ex was mentally beating the shit out of me, I would escape to a woman who would boost my ego. I did not care if the woman I paid was lying, I needed any boost I could get.

Hell, even my ex's divorce lawyer fired her when she made a run on his ego. The woman could make the Pope feel inadequate. I think women push men to cheat much of the time so they can claim to be the victim. Women know when they are sapping men's egos.

The irony is not how bad my ex was but how typical she was. I know guys whose wives were even worse than mine was.

So yeah, I was like you in the sense that I thought why is it that I cannot commit to one woman, but the truth is MW, what woman is going to give all of herself emotionally to you if you are married?

Yes, I found my dream girl, and no, it is not like the thrill of a new date and the unknown excitement. I can tell you that my foursome adventure was more fun than hanging out with my gal, but there is a different chemical high I get with her, something you probably do not even realize is missing in your life.

And that is peace.

I do not have to worry about what is on my phone any more because I am just with her. There is peace with that. There is also peace in the sense that I know no other woman is going to fuck me like mine is. I have said she is a 10 with regards to looks, sex, and character, but a woman that good has options. Why is she going to fuck a married guy? She would rather earn her own money than deal with those negative feelings. You do not want to admit that is there but women do not want to be fucking married men even if they say otherwise.

I get the treadmill you and Steve are on because I was on it. Shame, get with another woman, feel better, be shamed again. The stress is unreal. I did not even get how much there was until I was out of the marriage.

So yeah, a woman is always going to be inadequate if she is just there for pleasure. Long term is built not on pleasure but on your being happy and the only way you have that is with a woman who lowers your stress levels not adds to them.

[Elvis 2008]

I'the be willing to bet that most guys on this board have figured out monogamy is a sham foisted on us by culture that has nothing to do with human nature. Man was definitely built to fuck far and wide and spread his seed and propagate our awesomeness. So it really should come as no surprise you want something new. We are wired to find new nubile girls who are young and fertile and move on to them and then repeat this repeatedly. It's basically how we are wired from birth IMO.The reason for monogamy is not what you think. The Catholic Church ran brothels for centuries, but there was one guy who changed all that, and you may have heard of him. His name is Christopher Columbus.

Yeah, actually the crews who went from the old world to the new came back to the old world with something new, syphilis. Syphilis ravaged Europe and in 1550 the Anglican Church was the first to put in the phrase "Forsaking all others" in the marriage vows.

So monogamy was emphasized in the places where syphilis was an issue but not so much in places where it was not a problem. I think God was not happy with man and enslavement and when Colonialism ended after WW2 that is when the cure of syphilis, penicillin, was made widely available.

It is funny how monogamy though has been sold by the church as being righteous. I remember first reading the Bible and how it was common practice in Biblical times for a man to fuck his slave if his wife could not bear children. Adultery was not meant that a married man fucked a woman other than his wife. It was actually him fucking a woman he did not own. It had to be that. But the Biblical meaning was altered when syphilis hit.

[Akibono]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.

[Akibono]

No, chemically speaking, you are going to always get a bigger rush of dopamine, testosterone, and endorphins with a new girl. The problem is that it gets harder and harder to get those highs the more you play. I would rotate my girls to once every 2 weeks to keep things fresh when I was married.

But that is the problem with being married. You are limited on what you can get. When married, I got the best women physically had to offer but not the best emotionally. One is pleasure, and the other is happiness.


Yes, I found my dream girl, and no, it is not like the thrill of a new date and the unknown excitement. I can tell you that my foursome adventure was more fun than hanging out with my gal, but there is a different chemical high I get with her, something you probably do not even realize is missing in your life.

And that is peace.

I do not have to worry about what is on my phone any more because I am just with her. There is peace with that. There is also peace in the sense that I know no other woman is going to fuck me like mine is. I have said she is a 10 with regards to looks, sex, and character, but a woman that good has options. Why is she going to fuck a married guy? She would rather earn her own money than deal with those negative feelings. You do not want to admit that is there but women do not want to be fucking married men even if they say otherwise..Yes, I agree with much of that. But I can also count just a very, very few girls that were exceptional. I would never get tired of them no matter how many times I have been with them. They just have a certain emotional set that is unique if you pick it up. You always regret not having one more session before they go away. And that is why we do it. We are always looking for that 380000 carat sapphire.

[Steve 9696]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.It is true that some girls will represent as coeds when they are not. But I've never had a blatant bait and switch on SA so as Kong as you don't fall for some "pay my gas upfront" or BS like that. As long as she has more than one pic the likelihood is she is the girl in the pics. You will only know for sure when you meet face to face. I've had a couple scams where I live (never elsewhere) where you set the date and get going there or show and They want money before they show. Nope. Not happening. But other than that which is annoying but not expensive I've always met the girl in the pics. Usually better in person.

P.S. Happy to take a quick peek and render an expert opinion (haha) if you want to message me her city and screen name.

[Pessimist]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.Have you met her in person? Until you do, every letter you read online / phone is just electrons rearranged in ether to amuse you.

Whether she is a coed or not is not truly relevant, is it? We are paying for looks, personality, quality of time spent, perhaps sex or whatever floats your boat. Arguably, if she is an educated, enlightened coed the conversations will be interesting, etc. But first things first, until you meet her in person everything s / he may have typed in any message through SA or private chats on mobile are to be treated with a large degree of skepticism.

If you have met her, you know who or what she is; then, not a single "expert" from this forum can help that much more because you have met her and we have not.

[Blue Swede]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.Expert or not. .

In situations where I am in doubt that the girl in te picture (s) is the girl I am going to meet, I send her a selfie, where I am holding a handwritten piece of paper saying "Hi *girl name* from *BlueSwede*" and asking her to do the same back.

If she refuses = case closed. Most girls think this simple gesture is a bright idea. .

[Midwestern]

Hi Elvis:

First, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. Yep, a lot of what you say is true in general. However, for me, I am very, very happy in my marriage. My wife is beautiful, smart, funny, reasonable, and gives me a lot of freedom. I absolutely love her. It is just that I have fucked her over 1,000 times already. We still fuck, but we have more fun eating out, watching movies, going on trips, etc.

I simply like fucking as many women as possible. And if the women I am fucking likes fucking me too, then it's even cooler, as it is more passionate.

I might be totally wrong, but I think a lot of mongers are happily married and love their wives.




MW, it is pretty obvious to me that you and Steve are not happy in your marriages.

So I know why you and Steve monger, escapism.

I get the treadmill you and Steve are on because I was on it. Shame, get with another woman, feel better, be shamed again.

[Midwestern]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.I met a lot of girls claiming to be undergraduate or graduate students on SA. I am a pretty smart person all around, and so I would ask them what they are studying, and based on their answer I would then ask them a few easy questions. If they are telling the truth about being a student, then answering the questions is both easy and fun for them. If they tell ignore you, then they were probably lying. Of course, a phony could look up answers on the internet, but liars on SA are too lazy to do that.

[TjBrazil]

Can guys with experience using SA in the states give me a quick rundown on what I can expect if I use it in LA San Diego and Vegas. I have used it in Mexico and Colombia but that's a different world than the states. I started to use it in LA and was talking to this girl but the pandemic hit so I just canceled the account since sunset strip was closed.

I'm considering trying it again. I'm not looking to pay a girl.

Monthly fee. I just want to pay per meet. Do most of the American girls agree to this or are there really a lot of guys that buy the girls cars and jewelry pay for their college. I can't compete with that. What do you guys think.

[Steve 9696]

Can guys with experience using SA in the states give me a quick rundown on what I can expect if I use it in LA San Diego and Vegas. I have used it in Mexico and Colombia but that's a different world than the states. I started to use it in LA and was talking to this girl but the pandemic hit so I just canceled the account since sunset strip was closed.

I'm considering trying it again. I'm not looking to pay a girl.

Monthly fee. I just want to pay per meet. Do most of the American girls agree to this or are there really a lot of guys that buy the girls cars and jewelry pay for their college. I can't compete with that. What do you guys think.Most all that monthly stuff and big ticket items is the exception not the rule. PPM is common but don't call it that if she's a newbie. Need to be sensitive to her not feeling like a hooker. See my newbie guide on this topic — tho it's buried quite some pages back now. Be prepared to pay minimum $400 and more likely $500 these days in either of those cities. Maybe more than 500 in LA. Someone on the ground may comment.

[Steve 9696]

Hi Elvis:

First, I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. Yep, a lot of what you say is true in general. However, for me, I am very, very happy in my marriage. My wife is beautiful, smart, funny, reasonable, and gives me a lot of freedom. I absolutely love her. It is just that I have fucked her over 1,000 times already. We still fuck, but we have more fun eating out, watching movies, going on trips, etc.

I simply like fucking as many women as possible. And if the women I am fucking likes fucking me too, then it's even cooler, as it is more passionate.

I might be totally wrong, but I think a lot of mongers are happily married and love their wives.Yeah we definitely in different situations. My wife and I are like brother / sister — I do love her — but like a sister. Someone you care for but are not romantically inclined with. She's a really nice person so not quite the drama Elvis was experiencing. But I did take steps a couple years back to not allow certain life control she had put on me. Nonetheless not a free and clear man. We will see once the kids are out of high school where this goes.

[TjBrazil]

Most all that monthly stuff and big ticket items is the exception not the rule. PPM is common but don't call it that if she's a newbie. Need to be sensitive to her not feeling like a hooker. See my newbie guide on this topic tho it's buried quite some pages back now. Be prepared to pay minimum $400 and more likely $500 these days in either of those cities. Maybe more than 500 in LA. Someone on the ground may comment.500 is a lot. Not looking to spend that. More like 200.

[Midwestern]

Can guys with experience using SA in the states give me a quick rundown on what I can expect if I use it in LA San Diego and Vegas. I have used it in Mexico and Colombia but that's a different world than the states. I started to use it in LA and was talking to this girl but the pandemic hit so I just canceled the account since sunset strip was closed.

I'm considering trying it again. I'm not looking to pay a girl.

Monthly fee. I just want to pay per meet. Do most of the American girls agree to this or are there really a lot of guys that buy the girls cars and jewelry pay for their college. I can't compete with that. What do you guys think.I was a semi-regular user of SA in Vegas a few years ago. But given Covid lockdowns and now post-lockdowns, my info may no longer be valid. But here's my info for what it is worth.

SA is very good in Vegas. Lots of gals are up for PPM. I thought there would be a lot of pros on SA, given that there are a lot of pros in Vegas, but to my surprise, there were almost no pros on SA in Vegas. Maybe this is because pros do not need to use SA. Almost all of the gals that I met on SA in Vegas worked in casinos or hotels or cheesy entertainment industry, and they were card dealers, waitresses, cheesy street entertainers, etc. And they were pretty hard up for money.

One thing that I learned about tourist cities is that many people that live and work there are often poor (a lot of them seem to be white trash) and desperate to make money (another good example of this is Niagara Falls on the Canadian side).

Prices are also reasonable, especially if you like black girls. Many black girls will be happy with $200 PPM.

Incidentally, many AMPS in Vegas provide FS for a very reasonable price. Something to also consider.

[Akibono]

I was a semi-regular user of SA in Vegas a few years ago. But given Covid lockdowns and now post-lockdowns, my info may no longer be valid. But here's my info for what it is worth.

SA is very good in Vegas. Lots of gals are up for PPM. I thought there would be a lot of pros on SA, given that there are a lot of pros in Vegas, but to my surprise, there were almost no pros on SA in Vegas. Maybe this is because pros do not need to use SA. Almost all of the gals that I met on SA in Vegas worked in casinos or hotels or cheesy entertainment industry, and they were card dealers, waitresses, cheesy street entertainers, etc. And they were pretty hard up for money.

One thing that I learned about tourist cities is that many people that live and work there are often poor (a lot of them seem to be white trash) and desperate to make money (another good example of this is Niagara Falls on the Canadian side)..I would agree. It is the tourists that are buying and the locals that are selling. I know for some it may be heaven. Something exciting about a woman out of control. But for me, I try to avoid these types. I learned over the years the problems them bring requires you to be on your toes constantly. The USA is either expensive or risky.

[Elvis 2008]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.Tell you are buying and expensive piece of software and it is 50% off if you have an email address that ends in. Edu. Say you want to use her email to buy it. If she is in school, she will have an email with that ending and offer to help you out. If she cannot give you an email address that ends in. Edu, she is full of shit.

[Elvis 2008]

I might be totally wrong, but I think a lot of mongers are happily married and love their wives.I think a lot of mongers are unhappy and convincing themselves that they are happy. I have never met a happily married man who cheats, but I have met a lot who say they are. I am not trying to show you up MW. I could not be more happy to be wrong about your marriage and if you are happy, then God bless you.

[Elvis 2008]

Can guys with experience using SA in the states give me a quick rundown on what I can expect if I use it in LA San Diego and Vegas. I have used it in Mexico and Colombia but that's a different world than the states. I started to use it in LA and was talking to this girl but the pandemic hit so I just canceled the account since sunset strip was closed.

I'm considering trying it again. I'm not looking to pay a girl.

Monthly fee. I just want to pay per meet. Do most of the American girls agree to this or are there really a lot of guys that buy the girls cars and jewelry pay for their college. I can't compete with that. What do you guys think.The cars and jewelry stuff is mostly BS. The hard part is finding a good one. You are going to always have to give out a price and if you are fishing in Vegas but LA in particular you are looking at crazy money compared to Tijuana.

Someone went through prices on here a while back. My guess is a 8 or 9 in Tijuana that goes for $100 would go for $800 a session in LA and be much, much harder to find. There are going to be a ton more scam artists in the USA than Mexico or Colombia. In Colombia, I got three dates a day. In Mexico, I would get two a day. In the USA sex prison, one a month was the average.

[TjBrazil]

I was a semi-regular user of SA in Vegas a few years ago. But given Covid lockdowns and now post-lockdowns, my info may no longer be valid. But here's my info for what it is worth.

SA is very good in Vegas. Lots of gals are up for PPM. I thought there would be a lot of pros on SA, given that there are a lot of pros in Vegas, but to my surprise, there were almost no pros on SA in Vegas. Maybe this is because pros do not need to use SA. Almost all of the gals that I met on SA in Vegas worked in casinos or hotels or cheesy entertainment industry, and they were card dealers, waitresses, cheesy street entertainers, etc. And they were pretty hard up for money.

One thing that I learned about tourist cities is that many people that live and work there are often poor (a lot of them seem to be white trash) and desperate to make money (another good example of this is Niagara Falls on the Canadian side).

Prices are also reasonable, especially if you like black girls. Many black girls will be happy with $200 PPM.

Incidentally, many AMPS in Vegas provide FS for a very reasonable price. Something to also consider.I'm not into Asian girls or black girls. Not looking for the room experience. I can do that anytime in Tijuana with pretty hot chicks in my hotel room. Looking to branch out and try SA in the triangle of Vegas San Diego and LA. If you don't mention ppm how do you tell them you want to meet for dinner at a nice restaurant and then bring up money and not make it look like prostitution. Don't these girls know what's up anyway. Why would they care. Some of the girls are really attractive on the site. I imagine they want a lot. Especially in LA.

[TjBrazil]

I was a semi-regular user of SA in Vegas a few years ago. But given Covid lockdowns and now post-lockdowns, my info may no longer be valid. But here's my info for what it is worth.

SA is very good in Vegas. Lots of gals are up for PPM. I thought there would be a lot of pros on SA, given that there are a lot of pros in Vegas, but to my surprise, there were almost no pros on SA in Vegas. Maybe this is because pros do not need to use SA. Almost all of the gals that I met on SA in Vegas worked in casinos or hotels or cheesy entertainment industry, and they were card dealers, waitresses, cheesy street entertainers, etc. And they were pretty hard up for money.

One thing that I learned about tourist cities is that many people that live and work there are often poor (a lot of them seem to be white trash) and desperate to make money (another good example of this is Niagara Falls on the Canadian side).

Prices are also reasonable, especially if you like black girls. Many black girls will be happy with $200 PPM.

Incidentally, many AMPS in Vegas provide FS for a very reasonable price. Something to also consider.Also you say a lot of them aren't rich but I'm seeing a lot of girls posting. They have nursing degrees and engineering degrees. Why are they on the site if the have all this schooling. Especially nursing. They need nurses like crazy.

[TjBrazil]

The cars and jewelry stuff is mostly BS. The hard part is finding a good one. You are going to always have to give out a price and if you are fishing in Vegas but LA in particular you are looking at crazy money compared to Tijuana.

Someone went through prices on here a while back. My guess is a 8 or 9 in Tijuana that goes for $100 would go for $800 a session in LA and be much, much harder to find. There are going to be a ton more scam artists in the USA than Mexico or Colombia. In Colombia, I got three dates a day. In Mexico, I would get two a day. In the USA sex prison, one a month was the average.To get three dates a day does your profile show your face or do you keep that covered.

[Pessimist]

Also you say a lot of them aren't rich but I'm seeing a lot of girls posting. They have nursing degrees and engineering degrees. Why are they on the site if the have all this schooling. Especially nursing. They need nurses like crazy.The simple answer is, they are lying. I see tons of "future doctors, lawyers, etc." So many "investors". Lot of girls wanting to start a business, and needing "mentors." A bunch of girls into crypto trading, the smarter ones into trading options.

What's going on? Well, they want to stroke the guy's ego. If money was not involved, most girls would not give the time of the day to a guy from SA, let alone "wanting to be mentored". They are writing stuff on the site in their profile sections which they think appeals to the guys because they think that is the profile of the guys coming after them.

I give them props for trying. But what they write in those sections is for entertainment only. The idea is always to get to meet them for a drink or dinner (no gifts or cash upfront; I will pay for the drink or dinner of course), assess (a) she is real and not a ghost (b) understand what she wants and is she even moderately reliable (c) discuss the exchange of allowance and services w / o using the word sex; go from there.

[RedWaters44]

See my newbie guide on this topic tho it's buried quite some pages back now. Be prepared to pay minimum $400 and more likely $500 these days in either of those cities. Maybe more than 500 in LA. Someone on the ground may comment.Guide is Post #1542 currently on Page 31/32 titled "Seeking for Newbies". Hope that helps anyone searching for the write up save a bit of time -- and the digging was certainly worth it. Thanks again for the great write up.

[Elvis 2008]

If you don't mention ppm how do you tell them you want to meet for dinner at a nice restaurant and then bring up money and not make it look like prostitution.When it comes to price in the USA sex prison, I say I do not pay for sex but give gifts to women I like. I then give a range of what my gifts were like in the past. That satisfies the women. They get that saying $500 for 2 hours of sex gets everyone banned.

But when negotiating in countries where prostitution is legal / tolerated, Peru, Mexico, Colombia, you can be totally blunt.

[Elvis 2008]

To get three dates a day does your profile show your face or do you keep that covered.No photo but I did upload one and I will send it if a woman requests it. Probably only a third do.

[BrizLad]

I think I have a find. She's a coed that is going to univ for a better degree. Claims she had a daddy before. Numbers seems to check out. Price a bit high. This is the problem. If she is a real student, then this is a fine and the price is well worth it. On the other hand, this could be an old hag that is selling herself as a student for much higher rates. Sort of like the story in the bible of marrying off the ugly older daughter first. Which scenario is more likely? Any way to sus it out discreetly? I trust nothing on the Internet.The signs for me is a class schedule. Are there regular times when she is out of contact. What's a schedule for meeting? If she is always available then that doesn't make sense for a student.

Similar words often appear on escort adverts "new to town, lonely student, single mum' etc.

As others have said, the words are just for entertainment.

[Elvis 2008]

They are writing stuff on the site in their profile sections which they think appeals to the guys because they think that is the profile of the guys coming after them.You are right Pessimist although there may be a few American gals telling the truth given the massive amount of debt they are in. For the most part, just a few questions about what classes they are talking and I could tell they are full of shit.

OTOH, in Colombia, second girl I met was a civil engineer, and she was only making $600 a month and I believed her. I met all kinds of professionals in Colombia on seeking with real jobs that paid shit.

[Pessimist]

You are right Pessimist although there may be a few American gals telling the truth given the massive amount of debt they are in. For the most part, just a few questions about what classes they are talking and I could tell they are full of shit.

OTOH, in Colombia, second girl I met was a civil engineer, and she was only making $600 a month and I believed her. I met all kinds of professionals in Colombia on seeking with real jobs that paid shit.Yes true, there are always some truth tellers but by and large what a girl represents herself as is somewhat irrelevant to me. Anyway, claims about being aspiring physicians and lawyers may be true who knows! They are just aspirations. At some point in my childhood, I aspired to be MLB player then in my late teens an aspiring porn stud LOL.

I typically go along with whatever she says; if she is not what she is in the photo I would have a huge problem. But if she claimed to be a neuroscience grad and turned out to be a high school dropout waitress, wouldn't bother me if her looks are still hot.

I once did meet a cute blonde who was a physics and engineering student, as she represented. It was during a travel away from my home city. I have a lot of background in those areas and we met for dinners on 3 straight evenings and talked for hours about those fields; she was extremely bright. I never got the courage to ask her to my room or make a move for sex; seemed too disrespectful somehow. I gave her a couple of hundred dollars as gift on the last evening. She refused to take it at first but I insisted and she was happy. To this day, I don't know why she was on the site. I sometimes wonder if I should have made a move on her, she was quite cute and I had more bonding with her in those 3 dinners than with girls I had sex multiple times, but it kinda remains as a regret now. At that time, I didn't want to spoil it; strange because I had not been that tongue tied when it comes to sex since I was a gawky teen.