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Ararat
02-25-21, 21:00
Lots of UK citizens on the internet are harping about Germany and its vaccine rollout. It's clear that this is about Brexit and, partly, English nationalism. The British people don't seem to realize they are part of a large scale trial of the AZ vaccine. It looks like it could turn out just fine but the data on efficacy among elderly just wasn't there. Otherwise it would have been used by the EU.

That being said: vaccine rollout shows that plenty of Germans are crazy and irrational like hell. I haven't heard anything from where I am but wouldn't have been surprised to hear the same thing. It looks like we dodged a bullet but maybe it's just not reported.


Having looked closely at the controversy about AZ vaccine, the issue seems to be related to the fact that AZ didn't include enough over 65 people in their clinical trials and so various governments are only recommending this vaccine only for younger people. This is simply because the AZ vaccine wasn't tested enough in elderly people and they need to wait and see more evidence that it works in such a frail population. US is also likely to reject permission to use AZ vaccine in US, so here is another big country having the SAME concerns as the EU.

I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, which twisted the MHRA arm to speed up approval of AZ vaccine. In the end MHRA was forced to approve the vaccine, but with reservations and subject to continued monitoring. Also the UK strategy to give only one dose of the vaccine instead of two, so that the vaccination numbers look good, may be a gamble the government is taking on people's lives. We all know the Tories don't care about people, in fact, among the few people (below 500,000 to date) that have received the two doses of the vaccine there are the Boris Johnson's parents and few other relatives of Tory MPs.

Rock.

Kuni042
02-26-21, 00:49
There are also "plenty of non-Germany crazy and irrational like hell" - BTW. Stop picking on one nation. The swiss for example are planning to not use but sell their AZ vaccines.


Lots of UK citizens on the internet are harping about Germany and its vaccine rollout. It's clear that this is about Brexit and, partly, English nationalism. The British people don't seem to realize they are part of a large scale trial of the AZ vaccine. It looks like it could turn out just fine but the data on efficacy among elderly just wasn't there. Otherwise it would have been used by the EU.

That being said: vaccine rollout shows that plenty of Germans are crazy and irrational like hell. I haven't heard anything from where I am but wouldn't have been surprised to hear the same thing. It looks like we dodged a bullet but maybe it's just not reported.

Kuni042
02-26-21, 00:52
This is an important milestone.

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html

I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.

Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.

Clodius1
02-26-21, 01:32
Countries with a federal system like Germany or Switzerland have their own challenges, you get friction between federal and local governments. Right now, the main issue is that not enough vaccine is available, but at least in Switzerland they would need to severely ramp up vaccination capabilities to keep the promise that everybody who wants to be vaccinated will have the opportunity by June / July.Federal systems like USA and Germany are total failures in a pandemic. China knew this very well, when they unleashed this plague on the Western democracies. Oh no, I'm going to get "cancelled" for speaking truth, aren't I? LOL.

Paulie97
02-26-21, 02:03
Federal systems like USA and Germany are total failures in a pandemic. China knew this very well, when they unleashed this plague on the Western democracies. Oh no, I'm going to get "cancelled" for speaking truth, aren't I? LOL.No one wants to "cancel" you. We just want to see proof of your diabolical conspiracies, which will include solid evidence from reliable sources. Stating a claim and calling it truth doesn't ever make it truth. Unsubstantiated claims in the age of the internet are dime a dozen, and frankly boring. And the burden here is all on you as the one making the claim. It's no one's job to disprove it.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 03:22
Federal systems like USA and Germany are total failures in a pandemic. China knew this very well, when they unleashed this plague on the Western democracies. Oh no, I'm going to get "cancelled" for speaking truth, aren't I? LOL.Maybe you're right. China's coming out of this barely economically scathed, although their international reputation is certainly taking a hit. But you did have one confusing typo. I think the correct spelling is "speculation", not "truth". It was probably just the autocorrect feature.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 04:14
AZ is not forbidden in France, but many and medical don't trust so much. Only given to less than 65 yo in France. When lack of vaccine, when need to vaccine old, weak, at risk, to protect them, for less deaths, but virus still spreading, mostly now UK one.Cautious optimism with variants seems to be prudent. And you're right that the UK variant is spreading quickly. In the UK, the variant makes up the supermajority of cases, over 90%.

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/lessons-from-the-u-k-about-a-more-contagious-covid-19-variant-11614253429

Interestingly enough, when overlaid with the total incidence curve, the curve for variant case incidence in the UK shows inverse correlation. Their death data also shows a nice inverse correlation.

https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gb

Good for Britain for being bold with their vaccination play and showing one effective way. What I like even more is that their decision was data-driven. The FDA report showed that after only one dose, the vaccine was 52.4% effective. Supporting that case is that 0 of the severe cases were found in people who only received one dose. However, the sample size of the latter was quite small due to so few people getting severe illness with the vaccine in general.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

I think Johnson and Johnson will be the difference maker in the rest of the world. One dose vaccination with no extreme cold storage requirements. The fact that it is not an mRNA vaccine may also be easier for people to accept.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 04:30
This is an important milestone.

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html

I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.

Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.Man, this is going to piss a lot of people off if they actually do this. I hope they do it, just so I can laugh when I see the AntiVaxxers in a club.

Ararat
02-26-21, 06:30
There are also "plenty of non-Germany crazy and irrational like hell" - BTW. Stop picking on one nation. The swiss for example are planning to not use but sell their AZ vaccines.This is the Germany forum. I know British people often have a hang up about Germany but I'm not British so I only single it out because the vaccination is going slowly in Germany and partly because Germans don't seem too interested in being vaccinated.

Ararat
02-26-21, 06:32
This is an important milestone.

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html

I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.

Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 06:51
Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.And when they have a record of your visit then what is the concern?

Sirioja
02-26-21, 07:42
This is the Germany forum. I know British people often have a hang up about Germany but I'm not British so I only single it out because the vaccination is going slowly in Germany and partly because Germans don't seem too interested in being vaccinated.Vaccination go slowly in Germany and also France because not enough vaccine and AZ was not tested for more than 65 yo who need the most to be protected. Germany even thought about sputnik but not approved yet in EU. And we are now under UK mutant for more than 50% new cases in France, Germany forbidding UK. When people can't get vaccined, when young won't get vaccined in EU, no passport planned at the moment in EU.

BigBuddy69
02-26-21, 08:11
Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.They ask for it at the entrance and if you don't have one, you have to show a recent test.

Canary
02-26-21, 09:36
Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.I think you have a valid point, I can see these establishments specifically FKK's having to use such a system otherwise they won't be allowed to reopen.

I also understand that many will have security fears.

Unfortunately I would have another issue, my iPhone is too old to accept App updates so it might be update my phone or stay away!

I've already had a first dose of the vaccine and received a small card with details of the vaccine, batch number etc but it would be so easy to counterfeit.

PaulInZurich
02-26-21, 09:54
Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.I would not be surprised if you would need to scan the QR code when you go to a concert, football game, board a flight, etc. As long as these businesses can not make the link from the QR code to my personal data. EU personal data laws should prohibit that. I would expect that whoever scans the QR code, just sees "OK. Vaccinated" or not.

If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.

Pistons
02-26-21, 10:22
Britain maybe because they need to hide the effects of Brexit. Other countries not so much.All countries, and all currencies. It is a mathematical long term effect of having interest on loans. And due to how money is created through the fractional reserve system while running parallel to the stock exchange, and the total savings money supply held up in global savings accounts increasing over time. This mechanism forces through competition, which in turn also leads to automation. And as the global real economy, adjusted for inflation can not grow by 4% per year, but by maybe only 2%, due to the circulation losses caused as mentioned by the savings accounts (which is needed for the fractional reserves), the doom clock will inevitably run out.

Automation means job losses. Otherwise it is failed automation, and useless investments that will loose in a competitive market. So here we are with an automation potential of over 50% of the workforce in 2019. While studies are showing how a global pandemic, or similar economic slowdowns (like the 1920's depression) causes massive realization of the automation potential in society.

The only way out is total basic income. Free money for everyone. And how do you control that from getting out of hand if not by controlling everyone with QR codes, or maybe even tracable implants? Not that I believe there will be nanobots in the actual vaccines. But soon people will sign up for elon musks Neurallink.

Pistons
02-26-21, 10:29
The 50% automation potential was in the USA a few years ago. Reports from China is talking about a much higher automation potential, as the populace is more geared for robots and technology. Upwards to 70%. While in less developed countries as a whole where R&D makes up less of the workforce, the automation potential as a percentage of all jobs will also be that much higher than the 50% in the states. A number I expect will increase dramatically as AI is expected to get 5000 times faster in only the next 4-5 years. And that is even before we take into account all the new science seen at Darpas ongoing ERI projects.

Rocky V
02-26-21, 13:04
Lots of UK citizens on the internet are harping about Germany and its vaccine rollout. It's clear that this is about Brexit and, partly, English nationalism. The British people don't seem to realize they are part of a large scale trial of the AZ vaccine. It looks like it could turn out just fine but the data on efficacy among elderly just wasn't there. Otherwise it would have been used by the EU.

That being said: vaccine rollout shows that plenty of Germans are crazy and irrational like hell. I haven't heard anything from where I am but wouldn't have been surprised to hear the same thing. It looks like we dodged a bullet but maybe it's just not reported.Yes, I totally agree. Brexit has become a new religion / cult in UK and the pathetic followers of this cult are always desperate to find positive sides about their Brexit god and they pathetically love blaming Germany! However, please, keep in mind that at least half of UK hate Brexit and everything it represents! Ok end of my rant!

Rocky V
02-26-21, 13:13
I totally agree with your comments regarding Johnson & the Conservatives, they have completely mismanaged the epidemic with horrendously poor communication and a general lack of intellect in the Cabinet.

However I think you're maybe giving a disservice to some of the medical & scientific team like Jonathan Van Tam who have guided the country out of the mess along with the marvellous NHS. It was them who pushed the Government to do the one dose strategy in 12 weeks ignoring the advise of the WHO and everyone else as their data & info was pointing them in this direction.

It won't be the UK politicians that gets us through this pandemic but the scientists & NHS.

Hopefully I will be able to raise a glass to them in the Sharks garden later this summer?Absolutely, UK frontline staff and scientific teams have been amazing throughout the pandemic so far. I will raise my glass to them as well in Sharks (God, how I miss it!) and to the JVT hero! I'm not sure the single-vaccination dose was fully supported by the scientists or that was just a forced policy by the government (remember the mixed advice on face masks at the start of the pandemic? But I really hope it will work out well. If we look at the number of fully vaccinated people, Germany, Spain and Italy are ahead of UK at the moment!

Rocky V
02-26-21, 13:19
Hahaha, it's laughable to see what kind of left wing weirdos with tinfoil hats this forum attracts.I love your insightful comments and contributions to this forum! Always on topic and full of valid arguments. My grandma would say you are special and God loves you!

Pistons
02-26-21, 15:36
And when they have a record of your visit then what is the concern?Ask Edward Snowden.

HammerTime96
02-26-21, 16:35
This is an important milestone.

https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu/eu-gipfel-corona-121.html

I expect the vaccine passport to become key in the reopening of all the "high-risk" establishments, eg. Discos, clubs, saunas, massage parlors, FKK, amusement parks.

Most likely also indoor-dining, and so much more.Next up: sewing Yellow Stars on your clothing, and "Unvaccinated not allowed" painted on shop windows?

What 'great' news! / sarc.

I's truly amazing to see how the politically correct young and 'green' generation is blindly making the same mistakes as their grandparents. Adolf 'proved' with 'science' that Jews were 'inferior beings,' and Angela 'proves' with 'science' like the fraudulent PCR test from Dr Christian Drosten, that a simple flu wave is now a 'worldwide pandemic.'

For those of you who speak and understand German, here is a brilliant 3,5 minute long video in which Hans-Georg Maassen (former lawyer, former civil servant, former president of the Federal Office for the protection of the Constitution, and former head of the German spy agency) explains how "scientists" are on the German government's payroll and will help prove that the earth is flat, should the German Chancellor or a German minister want want to 'prove' this for political reasons: https://youtu.be/jqe-QifgVZU.

It's simple and crude 'opinion shopping 'financed with tax money, and this also explains why you never hear any dissident scientists in the German state-controlled media and why no dissident scientists are allowed to join the small group of scientists who 'advise' Angela Merkel.

The MSM is one big brainwashing session, with the end result: a good old fashioned Police State, just how the Germans (WW1, WW2, DDR) like it!

HammerTime96
02-26-21, 16:39
If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.You could leave your cell phone at home, pay with cash and enjoy complete privacy, but I guess that seeing the unfolding of a police state is way above your IQ.

"Just following orders" and "I've got nothing to hide," right? Bravo for such a heroic stance, ask the citizens of China and North Korea how that works out for them! / sarc.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 17:08
I would not be surprised if you would need to scan the QR code when you go to a concert, football game, board a flight, etc. As long as these businesses can not make the link from the QR code to my personal data. EU personal data laws should prohibit that. I would expect that whoever scans the QR code, just sees "OK. Vaccinated" or not.

If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.Right. To what effect does an extra vaccination record compromise any more privacy? Those cellular phones in your pockets already compromise so much more. 80% of my financial transactions are performed using a smart device. All websites visited, locations visited, personal contacts, professional contacts, porn genre watched, etc.

Regardless, if the the tracking is so insidious, would the "watchers" ever expose themselves by using that information to out Joe Schmoe's employer or reveal his infidelity to his spouse?

Ararat
02-26-21, 17:52
And when they have a record of your visit then what is the concern?That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.

Rocky V
02-26-21, 17:56
Ask Edward Snowden.Exactly! Everyone knows that having a few shags in a legal brothel is the same as revealing military intelligence that uncovers torture practices on war prisoners.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 18:12
That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.But you've already been giving up that information if you've ever a carried your mobile phone into the doors of a club.

Chongmal
02-26-21, 18:23
I also live in the UK and we all know we are now under a sort of Tory dictatorship, Amazing how people in the internet age toss around words like Fascist and Dictatorship. The UK you is a few years removed from truly brutal rule on their own soil. Please travel to places like Iran, North Korea, some African nations and then post something like this about their government to get refamiliarized with what a dictatorship truly is. Just because the ruling party is different from your own does not make them a dictatorship.

McAdonis
02-26-21, 19:12
Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.I would imagine that a vaccine passport would be used in the same manner as travel passports issued by the government. My normal passport has a barcode but I cannot recall scanning it anywhere else except at an airport. Once when I was on a bus between Croatia and Bosnia, they made us all get off the bus and handover our passport (it was probably scanned in the twenty minutes they had it in their possession). Any other time, I believe it is visual inspection. Police officer, train conductor, hotel receptionist, FKK thekefrau.

Here is how I hope it would work if an immunity passport is required to enter an establishment: business owners would be legally obligated to ensure that all customers meet entry requirements by visually inspecting their documents. At any time, the authorities could conduct a raid. And if not in compliance, the authorities can levy large fines or shut down the business. This is no different than FKK operators that are supposed to ensure that all WGs meet age requirements to work there.


That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.Authorities already have the technology to do this (or will shortly). AI technology can recognize faces and license plates. The self-driving car revolution will probably coincide with the wide-scale deployment of IoT. This would mean sensors everywhere emitting data. It is just a matter of whether companies or authorities see value in storing that data, interconnecting with other systems, and correlating that data. If you are really paranoid, never login to a device, take a photo, or carry a device that connects to a network again, and then move to a remote village. The point is, and this was what Snowden warned against, is that authorities may be monitoring us without our knowledge.

ShooBree
02-26-21, 19:17
I love your insightful comments and contributions to this forum! Always on topic and full of valid arguments. My grandma would say you are special and God loves you!Aren't you the weirdo who called the UK a "Tory dictatorship"?

God knows that you're really special, maybe you want to join Corbyn to host a fundraiser for Hezbollah and Maduro?

The other European countries are looking at the UK with envy and admiration after their extremely successful vaccination campaign.

ShooBree
02-26-21, 19:20
Yes, I totally agree. Brexit has become a new religion / cult in UK and the pathetic followers of this cult are always desperate to find positive sides about their Brexit god and they pathetically love blaming Germany! However, please, keep in mind that at least half of UK hate Brexit and everything it represents! Ok end of my rant!What amazes me the most is how the EU managed to scare away one of their biggest cash-cows.

Who wouldn't love the EU with all their corruption, bureaucracy, centralization and obscene waste of taxpayer money.

I don't understand how people can ignore that there are big pros&cons being a member of the EU. To me it's a sign of ignorance / radicalization.

Sirioja
02-26-21, 19:44
My grandma would say you are special and God loves you!I'm sure my ex girlfriend is the queen for angels, when her charming prince should now be loved by the devil, even I don't see him when I yearly go for the hell of Zoncolan, Mortirolo, Gentile and now la Lauze since last Summer.

ExpatLover
02-26-21, 20:01
That the info is shared with people I don't want to know I went to a club. Such as the Swedish authorities.You just have to assume your responsibilities and choices, I am not married and no GF, the authorities can share all my data with whom they want, I don t care.

Sirioja
02-26-21, 20:04
The 50% automation potential was in the USA a few years ago. Reports from China is talking about a much higher automation potential, as the populace is more geared for robots and technology. Upwards to 70%. While in less developed countries as a whole where R&D makes up less of the workforce, the automation potential as a percentage of all jobs will also be that much higher than the 50% in the states. A number I expect will increase dramatically as AI is expected to get 5000 times faster in only the next 4-5 years. And that is even before we take into account all the new science seen at Darpas ongoing ERI projects.Did you see China and Chinese trying ski? So funny, just 1 year before Olympics, maybe we will see first star level competing with Austrians. Austrians laughed about Dubai Globe and Cheïkh Al Makhtoum, they should really laugh when seeing new fashion sport in China, I really can't understand to make Winter Olympics in countries which know nothing about ski, same like football Worldcup under Qatar heat where 6500 immigrants died when building stadiums, or Olympics under Japanese wet heat to kill athletes, just decided by people who never really made sports.

BigBuddy69
02-26-21, 20:23
I love your insightful comments and contributions to this forum! Always on topic and full of valid arguments. My grandma would say you are special and God loves you!If you want to point out every stupidity he tells you're in for a long time.

Sirioja
02-26-21, 20:36
Scan your QR-code everytime you enter Sharks. The information is stored in the Bundespolizei database for 10 years.

Whilst I agree in principle with the idea of a vaccine passport I'm a little bit concerned how it will be used.Isn't it legal in Germany or Switzerland? Then, no problem about police. I was controlled on many times when leaving a brothel, never had any problem, only alcohol test and I always tell them: if not 0 , then change your machine because not working, always 0 for me, when only drinking tits and cyprine, no beer which make fat and bad breathe, nor alcohol, nor drug of course, my only drug being adrenaline and I need, getting when pushing to the limit, often over grip, on German autobahns where found amazing new right curve when coming from Aachen going to Neuss NRW, when will return, have to try to reach not far from 250 with new race karting for 100 limited, when already used to pass over 200/210 , when radar can't measure in curve. When in France, we build Bugatti, we have a 515 km / h record train and 2 Sebastien Loeb and Ogier, I only use my brakes in Switzerland when was always only flashed under 120 on Swiss autobahns for snails driving ugly Panamera turbo S, or RS Q7 truck.

Ararat
02-26-21, 20:58
But you've already been giving up that information if you've ever a carried your mobile phone into the doors of a club.Yes and no. IMO, it's worse if there's a record of me actually entering the club. Once something like that is in one of the databases then it's trivial to extract it. To be clear: I don't care if it's in a German or Swiss database per se. However, since that by default is available to the Swedish authorities that would be really bad.

The phone company obviously know I've been near one of the clubs but on the other hand there's no record of me actually entering and the phone company may not necessarily know what's there. I'm also confident it would be worse for locals.

Visiting the clubs is a calculated risk if one is worried about getting ones cover blown or get in trouble. No need to make it worse.

Ararat
02-26-21, 21:02
It's called having principles. I know that it's strange to you but that's how it works. Nobody in their right mind would compromise on things the English wanted so then the English didn't want to be in anymore and they voted to leave and brought the Northern Irish and the Scots with them. Let's see for how long there will be a UK because of this.

Their choice just like it was the choice of the American people to elect Joseph Biden instead of that other guy.


What amazes me the most is how the EU managed to scare away one of their biggest cash-cows.

Who wouldn't love the EU with all their corruption, bureaucracy, centralization and obscene waste of taxpayer money.

I don't understand how people can ignore that there are big pros&cons being a member of the EU. To me it's a sign of ignorance / radicalization.

Rocky V
02-26-21, 21:16
Next up: sewing Yellow Stars on your clothing, and "Unvaccinated not allowed" painted on shop windows?

What 'great' news! / sarc.

I's truly amazing to see how the politically correct young and 'green' generation is blindly making the same mistakes as their grandparents. Adolf 'proved' with 'science' that Jews were 'inferior beings,' and Angela 'proves' with 'science' like the fraudulent PCR test from Dr Christian Drosten, that a simple flu wave is now a 'worldwide pandemic.'

For those of you who speak and understand German, here is a brilliant 3,5 minute long video in which Hans-Georg Maassen (former lawyer, former civil servant, former president of the Federal Office for the protection of the Constitution, and former head of the German spy agency) explains how "scientists" are on the German government's payroll and will help prove that the earth is flat, should the German Chancellor or a German minister want want to 'prove' this for political reasons: https://youtu.be/jqe-QifgVZU.The comparison with the Holocaust is appropriate here. After all, we all know that people are being taken from their homes and shops and loaded onto cattle trains headed to refurbished concentration camps. Torture tactics to convince people to get vaccinated in these camps vary a lot and are different from those used during the '40's. Some prisoners are forced to use a dial-up connection at 128 bit / min to go online, others to listen to Cliff Richards songs 24/7 or try texting with T9 in their phones or binge-watching all the Dawson's creek episodes.

It's also clear that this is just a flu and it is all a clear conspiracy, where 99.99% of the medics, scientists and governments are involved and only a few special people like you know the truth. You are too smart to fall for these attempts to enslave the population and, while we are here, I would also question the use of seat belts in cars, smoking at petrol stations, the use of smoke alarms in houses and the use of any medicine when we all know our bodies can heal themselves (I've seen a video of a guy saying that, so it's true)!

You too are a special boy and God loves you!

Sirioja
02-26-21, 21:24
UK is island, not continental Europe, but Scotland disagree with Brexit and so many UK prefer France or Spain than England and were afraid not to get allowance to stay living in France, but of course they are welcome in France, I love their accent.

Rocky V
02-26-21, 21:27
The other European countries are looking at the UK with envy and admiration after their extremely successful vaccination campaign.Yes, who wouldn't envy a double-dip recession, worst economic outlook of the G7, and seeing the financial sector to mostly relocating to the EU and forced to follow EU standards to avoid more trade barriers? Oh dear, you are so naive and pure that is almost cute! That's why God loves you with all your cute delusions and false facts.

Rocky V
02-26-21, 21:41
What amazes me the most is how the EU managed to scare away one of their biggest cash-cows.

Who wouldn't love the EU with all their corruption, bureaucracy, centralization and obscene waste of taxpayer money.

I don't understand how people can ignore that there are big pros&cons being a member of the EU. To me it's a sign of ignorance / radicalization.I know dear, it's incredible that a great country like the UK has managed to fall for the brexit lies. It wasn't the EU to scare anyone, the brexit leaders did with all those lies about immigration and the entry of Turkey in the EU with the unavoidable Turkish immigrant invasion. They used to go and tell unemployed and uneducated people that the reason why their life sucked was because of the Polish doctor working at their local hospital, or tell factory workers that they should vote leave to oppose tax evasions EU laws because one day they may also become wealthy. Brexit was a battle won on people's most primordial fears and was underestimated by the government at the time. The brexit dream ended on January 1st, when even brexiteers realised that trading freely with the largest single market in the world is actually important and cannot be replaced by trade agreements with Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands and Switzerland. Particularly now when a trade deal with US is unlikely, the one with China impossible due to diplomatic issues, the one with India unlikely as they are very protectionists and would ask for free movement of people. I hope it is a lesson learned!

Paulie97
02-26-21, 22:21
Maybe you're right. China's coming out of this barely economically scathed, although their international reputation is certainly taking a hit. But you did have one confusing typo. I think the correct spelling is "speculation", not "truth". It was probably just the autocorrect feature.Well said. I should have given the benefit of the doubt. It had to be that damn autocorrect feature that distorted his intent. Wink.

Kuni042
02-26-21, 22:46
Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.

There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.

A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.

B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?

It would be unfair to shops, business, society. Just because say 30% -40% are refusing to get vaccinated?

So instead of forcing them to get vaccinated, you simply tell them. Ok don't. But please stay home. Keep masks on. And don't go into pubs, clubs, let alone FKK.


I would not be surprised if you would need to scan the QR code when you go to a concert, football game, board a flight, etc. As long as these businesses can not make the link from the QR code to my personal data. EU personal data laws should prohibit that. I would expect that whoever scans the QR code, just sees "OK. Vaccinated" or not.

If the police wants to know who is going to FKKs, they could do this a long time ago, they can just look at cellphone locations.

PaulInZurich
02-26-21, 23:11
You could leave your cell phone at home, pay with cash and enjoy complete privacy, but I guess that seeing the unfolding of a police state is way above your IQ.
So you always left your cell phone at home when you went to a FKK mr super intelligent?

Mursenary
02-26-21, 23:15
Yes and no. IMO, it's worse if there's a record of me actually entering the club. Once something like that is in one of the databases then it's trivial to extract it. To be clear: I don't care if it's in a German or Swiss database per se. However, since that by default is available to the Swedish authorities that would be really bad.

The phone company obviously know I've been near one of the clubs but on the other hand there's no record of me actually entering and the phone company may not necessarily know what's there. I'm also confident it would be worse for locals.

Visiting the clubs is a calculated risk if one is worried about getting ones cover blown or get in trouble. No need to make it worse.Very valid to have apprehensions regarding this topic. It's not ideal by any means. I guess I'm just reinforcing the bigger picture of it all. Ideally we could live in society where you have full control over all aspects of your personal information and ability to exercise complete freedom without restraint from outside parties but reality suggests that it would be futile as the mass populace will move us in a way where we will gradually give up small pieces of autonomy in order to benefit from collective progress.

But rational opinions such as yours that show healthy skepticism can serve to check the loss of autonomy, freedom, and privacy. Such opinions I think are beneficial as they are not rooted in bastardized extremist "facts" and paranoid conspiracy theories.

Mursenary
02-26-21, 23:53
Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.

There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.

A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.

B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?

It would be unfair to shops, business, society. Just because say 30% -40% are refusing to get vaccinated?

So instead of forcing them to get vaccinated, you simply tell them. Ok don't. But please stay home. Keep masks on. And don't go into pubs, clubs, let alone FKK.Just keep in mind that even without herd immunity, the pandemic can reach a point where restrictions are not needed. We really just need the most severe cases to be curbed as to reduce healthcare system burden which means vaccinating high numbers of high risk people. Also keep in mind that previous infections most likely offers a good deal of protection and also helps to soften the herd immunity threshold. Just throwing a guestimate out there, I think 50% vaccinated with most being in the high risk population in combination with naturally acquired immunity from prior infection should be practical enough to warrant a good bit of normal societal operation.

It appears that the hospitalized cases in the US and UK are pretty close to warrant complete reopening and we are still operating at very low vaccination numbers. Perhaps I am too optimistic but it's just my educated guess.

Paulie97
02-27-21, 06:04
You could leave your cell phone at home, pay with cash and enjoy complete privacy, but I guess that seeing the unfolding of a police state is way above your IQ.

"Just following orders" and "I've got nothing to hide," right? Bravo for such a heroic stance, ask the citizens of China and North Korea how that works out for them! / sarc.Yet another tin foil hat, slippery slope, the sky is falling perspective from the one so well know for such. But wait a moment. Aren't you the guy that used to whine about personal attacks? Wink. Be aware that chronic use of logical fallacies is not reflective of an impressive IQ.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tinfoil%20hat

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

BigBuddy69
02-27-21, 07:09
Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.
It would be unfair to shops, business, society. Just because say 30% -40% are refusing to get vaccinated?

So instead of forcing them to get vaccinated, you simply tell them. Ok don't. But please stay home. Keep masks on. And don't go into pubs, clubs, let alone FKK.You can do like Sweden which defeated the virus last summer!

No it's a joke.

Every time you enter a place with people where it's impossible to keep social distancing, you have to show your pass or a recent negative covid test.

I feel that more people will get vaccinated.

Sirioja
02-27-21, 08:09
You just have to assume your responsibilities and choices, I am not married and no GF, the authorities can share all my data with whom they want, I don t care.When most of girls ask why I'm not married, many not believing, looking at fingers, when many married go to spend in brothels when wife don't want to have boring emptying balls sex, when most of women ask to repeat when they get pleasure. From my weekly 5 days in brothels on golden years, or my every week end visits in my huge datcha, only 2 meetings with really charming Ukrainian on this year, when I should already have more than 20 days in FKK, but no big problem, easily adapting as always, laughing about the meaning of addiction word, most here just don t know, when I look on 6 annonce with 350 escorts in Paris, most here would become crazy, but can t find only 1 wow for my desire, when knowing about many fakes and highering my standard for image when I don t go for FKK weekly routine which can be really enjoyable to meet weekly a good girl. I remember how was difficult to return on mid June after 3 months break only meeting charming Russian Olga, driving to Swiss Dietikon for a Globe target, with her smile when I arrived, but if car made easily the more than 600 kms trip, my mind didn't and was not ready, I was not able to go to her when I drove for her. Then I returned to Paris, I understood was not ready yet to go to prostitutes. I know how will be difficult to find a desirable woman image when returning, compare to normal life standards, at least mine, from my life, but I succeeded to find at Amesia first, then GT Vienna, then only 1 German at Globe, I was not so bad after training a bit.

Pistons
02-27-21, 08:16
Did you see China and Chinese trying ski? So funny, just 1 year before Olympics, maybe we will see first star level competing with Austrians. Austrians laughed about Dubai Globe and Chekh Al Makhtoum, they should really laugh when seeing new fashion sport in China, I really can't understand to make Winter Olympics in countries which know nothing about ski, same like football Worldcup under Qatar heat where 6500 immigrants died when building stadiums, or Olympics under Japanese wet heat to kill athletes, just decided by people who never really made sports.Yeah, I've followed that ski hype in China a bit. The funniest thing was the downhill run they proposed to build for the 2022 Olympics. You have to search that one up on youtube! LOL!

So far it is mainly kindergarten ski resorts. But the Himalayas should have great potentials one day. But it takes time for them to build it out and find the best locations I suppose. Plus the locals needs to improve in avalanche safety measures. It is not the same as hiking.

Pistons
02-27-21, 08:29
The one they ended up with looks fairly good. But one of the proposals for the downhill run would have killed you LOL.

ShooBree
02-27-21, 10:41
I know dear, it's incredible that a great country like the UK has managed to fall for the brexit lies. It wasn't the EU to scare anyone, the brexit leaders did with all those lies about immigration and the entry of Turkey in the EU with the unavoidable Turkish immigrant invasion. They used to go and tell unemployed and uneducated people that the reason why their life sucked was because of the Polish doctor working at their local hospital, or tell factory workers that they should vote leave to oppose tax evasions EU laws because one day they may also become wealthy. Brexit was a battle won on people's most primordial fears and was underestimated by the government at the time. The brexit dream ended on January 1st, when even brexiteers realised that trading freely with the largest single market in the world is actually important and cannot be replaced by trade agreements with Liechtenstein, Faroe Islands and Switzerland. Particularly now when a trade deal with US is unlikely, the one with China impossible due to diplomatic issues, the one with India unlikely as they are very protectionists and would ask for free movement of people. I hope it is a lesson learned!No lies are needed to vote for Brexit. Many voted to remain out of ignorance and lies.

The EU went from peace, free trade and free movement to become a copy of Soviet. People don't want to be lectured by corrupt bureaucrats in Bruxelles, nor did they want to send billions to other EU countries.

ShooBree
02-27-21, 10:44
Yes, who wouldn't envy a double-dip recession, worst economic outlook of the G7, and seeing the financial sector to mostly relocating to the EU and forced to follow EU standards to avoid more trade barriers? Oh dear, you are so naive and pure that is almost cute! That's why God loves you with all your cute delusions and false facts.You must have missed that the entire EU is going through a major recession, but maybe facts are of no interest for you. The severity of the recession was caused by the coronavirus and the lockdowns. So it's most certainly not primarily about Brexit.

As you can see in the link below no other European country have administered close to as many doses as the UK. So yeah, people in other countries are envious of the UK.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

ShooBree
02-27-21, 10:49
It's called having principles. I know that it's strange to you but that's how it works. Nobody in their right mind would compromise on things the English wanted so then the English didn't want to be in anymore and they voted to leave and brought the Northern Irish and the Scots with them. Let's see for how long there will be a UK because of this.

Their choice just like it was the choice of the American people to elect Joseph Biden instead of that other guy.You clearly don't know anything about having principles. If they got "principles" why are they sending billions to Erdogan to do their dirty work? Why are they viciously attacking the independence of democracies like Poland and Hungary while they are silent about Spain taking political prisoners and violently suppressing the Catalonian people right to vote?

The EU is a mafia and a fraud and stupid little people like you fall for it.

While at it about having "principles", what about the principle of being an independent nation and not sending billions to irresponsible EU countries. Not to mention the principle of political decisions being taken as close to the people affected as possible, decentralization.

ShooBree
02-27-21, 12:04
Luckily it was just a non-binding resolution otherwise it would be another example of the EU trying to impose itself over the members national laws.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20140221IPR36644/punish-the-client-not-the-prostitute

ExpatLover
02-27-21, 13:14
Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.

There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.

A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.

B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?.Advice you to have a look at the latest presentation of John P. A. Ioannidis from Standfort, he clearly explains who is dying from covid, what we are doing wrongly and how the lockdown are useless.

Pistons
02-27-21, 13:23
Exactly! Everyone knows that having a few shags in a legal brothel is the same as revealing military intelligence that uncovers torture practices on war prisoners.Yepp, indeed! Everyone who listens to the political correctness crowd knows this for a fact already!

Pistons
02-27-21, 13:24
But you've already been giving up that information if you've ever a carried your mobile phone into the doors of a club.Not really. Your phone could have been stolen.

McAdonis
02-27-21, 13:24
It's also clear that this is just a flu and it is all a clear conspiracy, where 99.99% of the medics, scientists and governments are involved and only a few special people like you know the truth. You are too smart to fall for these attempts to enslave the population and, while we are here, I would also question the use of seat belts in carsDo not have anything quite as humorous to add.

It is not a politicized issue like facemasks, but seatbelt usage is not that universal. Although it would seem to be universal if one lives in USA, Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Scandinavia. Here are some compliance figures for people sitting in the driver's seat: China 36 percent, India 14 - 40 percent, Turkey 50 percent, https://apps.who.int/gho/data/view.main.51416.


According to the report, the percent of Italians using seatbelts plummeted to 46% in southern Italy, while drivers in the north were the most disciplined, with 82% buckling up. The ISS has calculated that if 95% of Italians used seatbelts the national health system would save 1.3 billion euros.

https://www.italymagazine.com/italy/crime/fewer-italians-wearing-seatbelts.For those who miss the sight of Romanian breasts, a "propaganda" video promoting the use of seatbelts in Romania: https://youtu.be/JJzJD1iVci4.


Given the mechanics of the campaign, it obviously targets men specifically, but theres a reason for this according to Romanian statistics, an average of three times more men than women lose their lives in car crashes because of reasons like not wearing seatbelts.

https://paultan.org/2014/09/04/seatbeltb00bing/.Just thought it would be interesting to share. For those of us who do not socialize much outside of brothels or interact with other cultures (despite half of us being world travelers). I can be guilty of both at times, staying in my social comfort zone or lone-wolfing.

Pistons
02-27-21, 14:01
Exactly. Well said. BTW: to all those naysayers: this electronic pass idea has been pioneered in Israel. It can be done completely anonymous.

There are two major motivation why this will come. No matter what: BTW: The passes will come for almost all the world (imo). Even US, Uk, almost everywhere.

A) to reach herd immunity you need 85-90% of the people to get vaccinated. Because vaccination is only 80-95% effective. Otherwise you can not get 70-80% of the people immunized. And the new mutants are infectious. So herd immunity is becoming tougher.

B) if you don't have herd immunity, we may face a 3rd, 4th or 5th lockdown. Why should we risk putting all commercial establishement into bankruptcy? Why should all those that got the shot, force to stay home in yet another lock-down?.I wrote a post here about the realization of the automation potential during historical crisis such as the 1920's, and now during the covid pandemic. And that is the entire point of shutting down everything in the first place. Hell, just look at Auckland. 1 person in the entire Auckland metro has covid. Only 1! And they just went into lockdown.

And the reason for realizing the automation potential is not just one. But several.

1. It works as a coverup for the entire financial systems impending interest doom (meaning lower and lower interest rates cannot go on forever).

2. Geopolitically it forces through higher competition between China and the west when it comes to automation, robotics, AI etc.

3. It helps in saving the environment by keeping people at home, as current politics has proven useless due to people's love for fiat paper currency (some loves to call it actual money although it isn't).

3. 1. The end goal is transhumanism and deep dive VR in order to save the environment from all sorts of problems. Mainly industrial toxins and not the CO2.

Adindas
02-27-21, 14:17
I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt

A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.

Her puss* of course not the tighest one.

Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzwkIVuneA

I believe she has not retied yet.

ExpatLover
02-27-21, 14:48
I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt

A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.

Her puss* of course not the tighest one.

Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe..Everyone has is own taste, both a real no go for me and even more after what they are telling, she is also doing some gang bang parties so easy for those who are interested to fuck her.

Turgid
02-27-21, 14:50
I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt

A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.

Her puss* of course not the tighest one.

Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzwkIVuneA

I believe she has not retied yet.I am not too much a fan of her face but her body (what I can see of it) looks smooth, silky and delicate which I like.

Turgid
02-27-21, 14:58
Vaccination go slowly in Germany and also France because not enough vaccine and AZ was not tested for more than 65 yo who need the most to be protected. Germany even thought about sputnik but not approved yet in EU. And we are now under UK mutant for more than 50% new cases in France, Germany forbidding UK. When people can't get vaccined, when young won't get vaccined in EU, no passport planned at the moment in EU.I read that 34% of Germans say that they do not want to be vaccinated. German leader Angel Merkel refused to take the Oxford vaccine when she was offered.

Adindas
02-27-21, 15:30
This is Sienna Day one of the UK well known pornstar. Compare it how she looks like when she was young and now.

She is still available for booking as an escort based on internationalsugarbabes.com.

https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/sienna-day/

Her rate is 800 an hour but with her current looks you do not even want to book her for 100.

Compare her look a few years ago and now.

She destroys her own beauty with Excessive Botox injection and mutilation under the knives. Sad.

BigBuddy69
02-27-21, 15:45
The two first photos of the first column are a disaster. She looks she had an accident and the surgeon who remade her face was drunk.

She looked good a few years ago, even with the boob job.

Adindas
02-27-21, 16:02
I am not too much a fan of her face but her body (what I can see of it) looks smooth, silky and delicate which I like.

She has a nice tight body. But she has a lot of tattoos. This is another video of her on YouTube. Watch that nice tight arse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njaMod7Nr9Y

She has done the extreme scenes with John Thompson (GGG).

You could find some of her hardcore movies on PornHub, Spankbang or other pornsites.

Samplerr
02-27-21, 16:07
I read that 34% of Germans say that they do not want to be vaccinated. German leader Angel Merkel refused to take the Oxford vaccine when she was offered.She didn't refuse that vaccine.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/02/26/angela-merkel-did-not-refuse-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-despite-this-being-reported

Sirioja
02-27-21, 17:10
I read that 34% of Germans say that they do not want to be vaccinated. German leader Angel Merkel refused to take the Oxford vaccine when she was offered.I was not proposed but I would prefer to make my own little soldiers, maybe already did after meeting many WGs, but I wish those who need will be protected, because too many deaths kill my mood, like if we were at world war. When I write about more than 500000 in US, of course those here at not clever enough to understand, but just unfair when kill mostly black, Latinas who are poor. Unfortunately, crazy Trump didn't die.

Pistons
02-27-21, 20:48
She has a nice tight body. But she has a lot of tattoos. This is another video of her on YouTube. Watch that nice tight arse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njaMod7Nr9Y

She has done the extreme scenes with John Thompson (GGG).

You could find some of her hardcore movies on PornHub, Spankbang or other pornsites.Can't say she looked any better in the past. Not in that picture at least. Her body looks fine in some pictures I googled when she was slim though. But fat looks really bad on her.

Pistons
02-27-21, 20:50
I have met her this German Pornstar Paula Rowe a few times. The girl with tattoo wearing stripe T-Shirt

A girl with a nice personality. A reasonably good looking, blond german girl, quite tall with a nice athletic body.

Her puss* of course not the tighest one.

Here is her interview on YouTube. You could find her other youtube videos by searching Paula Rowe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXzwkIVuneA

I believe she has not retied yet.The blondie there surely looks cuter and better. You don't agree?

Pistons
02-27-21, 20:52
Never mind about the blondie. She is way too tall. 1.75. Yeah, I am picky. Been with too many girls much hotter than these.

Mursenary
02-28-21, 00:30
When I write about more than 500000 in US, of course those here at not clever enough to understand, but just unfair when kill mostly black, Latinas who are poor. Unfortunately, crazy Trump didn't die.Funny you use the word clever. Clever would also apply to people who can look beyond headlines and gain real understanding rather than regurgitating superficial data.

It's pretty easy to determine that while race is a factor in covid outcomes, it in itself is not the primary determinant of outcome (IEcorrelation is not causation). Rather, the most direct metric is income. It is no surprise that low income leads to worse health incomes and ethnic minorities generally have lower income. This leads to higher levels of ethnic minorities with poor health education, worse exercise habits, less healthy diets, less access to grocery stores, and thus living with more chronic health conditions. That directly leads to poor covid outcome.

Www.prospect.org/api/amp/coronavirus/covid-19-class-war-death-rates-income/

As such, black people in the US die at 1. 9 x the rate of white people:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html

Apparently stratifying covid data by race is taboo in much of Europe but France's aversion to collecting racial data regarding covid has been brought to attention:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-france-race-data/2020/06/25/e5b4d0a6-b58d-11ea-9a1d-d3db1cbe07ce_story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp

But it's apparent that France has the same problem regarding racial disparities as other Anglo-Western nations. :

Www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/07/french-coronavirus-study-finds-black-immigrant-deaths-doubled-at-peak

The disparity is clearly evident in the African dense Parisian suburb of Seine-Saint-Denis:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/25/paris-banlieue-virus-amplifies-inequality-seine-saint-denis?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

The WHO did publish some French specific covid data regarding ethnic immigrant groups. With those that were French born, covid lead to an additional 22% more death. However for North African born, that number is 55% higher. For Sub-Saharan African born, it is 114% higher. This data may lead one to conclude that regarding covid outcomes in France, the more fair your skin, the better you will fare (pun intended).

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/documents/social-determinants-of-health/health-inequalities-covid-19---the-situation-in-france-(michelle-kelly-irving).pdf

The true reality is that Africans and other racial minorities face worse health outcomes in numerous western nations due to their position in the lower levels of income and also due to lack of cultural integration. The United Nations Humans Rights Commissioner reported double death rates for black people in USA, UK, and France. Similar 2 x to 3 x death disparities can be found in Sweden, Finland, and Norway and I suspect all over the Western world.

https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=25916

https://su.figshare.com/articles/preprint/Disparities_in_covid-19_deaths_by_country_of_birth_in_Stockholm_Sweden_A_total_population_based_cohort_study/12852854

Www.abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/coronavirus-takes-toll-swedens-immigrant-community-70593594

Basically, while our French Casanova's criticisms show an obvious bias and disdain for all things American, it seems that the situation is no better in his own country or the other countries in his own back yard. The difference in perception is that we actually collect the data in order to make use of it rather than practicing Europe's tendency to sweep its own inequalities under the rug.

Similar disparities can probably be seen everywhere but apparently it is taboo to report racial data in Europe:

Www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27Z0M3

Lastly, it's odd to me how the blowhards are so passionate about the what ifs and maybes regarding insidious government control, antivaxxing, and planned population control conspiracies theories but never look at massive population level problems where the data is right in front of them. Maybe it's a massive racist conspiracy to reduce the population of poor black and brown people. But I guess that topic doesn't appeal to their sense of fairness, justice, and "truth".

QED. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk.

BigBuddy69
02-28-21, 09:33
Funny you use the word clever. Clever would also apply to people who can look beyond headlines and gain real understanding rather than regurgitating superficial data.It also applies to people able to speak and write foreign languages correctly (especially after 15 000 posts of some kind of Middle Earth dwarven dialect).

Speaking of ethnic or religious statistics, they're forbidden in France since the end of WWII and I think everybody here understands why. As you pointed it, you only have access to the country of birth of immigrants, but for a son or grandson of immigrants you have no information. But as you said, it's rather easy to realize that the main factor is the income. Statistics about the job, the amount of paid taxes are available. But some guys here display terrible signs of xenophobia, against basically everyone: Albanians, Turks, Swiss, Americans, and so on. If you've been living as an outcast for so long constantly wondering why no one recognizes your greatness and vast superiority, eventually you begin to think that it's the world's fault, not yours.

Adindas
02-28-21, 09:55
The blondie there surely looks cuter and better. You don't agree?

Not, in my personal preference, I would not pay for it. So again, this is evidence that people have different preference and It is quite subjective. Beauty, sexual attractiveness lies on the eye of their beholders.

HammerTime96
02-28-21, 10:20
So you always left your cell phone at home when you went to a FKK mr super intelligent?You don't want to understand it, or are you lacking some IQ points?

I said that someone (in this case you) *could* leave his cell phone at home, if he *wants* to so do.

What's so difficult to understand about that? I never said that I leave my phone at home, but the big difference is that, unlike a Covid1984 Vaccination Passport & tracking app installed on your phone and those apps being required for entry into an FKK club, in the past nobody was never forced to bring his phone to an FKK club.

If someone wants total privacy, that person can leave his phone at home, pay with cash only and have total anonymity. Is that really so difficult to understand?

Always the same dumb trolling and gas lighting behaviour by the same group of people pushing the government's agenda (lockdowns, vaccinating, tracking apps), by either not fully reading someone's reply, taking it out of context, or deliberately putting words into someone's mouth. It's becoming quite obvious now.

Are you perhaps related to Mursenary?

Adindas
02-28-21, 15:04
Not, in my personal preference, I would not pay for it. So again, this is evidence that people have different preference and It is quite subjective. Beauty, sexual attractiveness lies on the eye of their beholders.

In the past I also posted the pictures of Aisha Angel, a well-known Hungarian pornstar who is also doing escort.
https://www.internationalsugarbabes.com/gallery/porn-star-aisha-angel/

This is one of her porn scene on spankbang.
https://spankbang.com/25hsv/video/aisha+b+hardcore+interracial

One person said he would not pay for her. But to me she is good looking, porn-communities also consider her as a one of the good looking pornstar. Unfortunately, she has retired. So again Beauty, sexual attractiveness lies on the eye of their beholders.
You could find some more using search Aicha Angel, Aisha Lark to find her other videos.

What do you think of her ? To me I would not mind to pay EUR 350 for an hour if I could lick and creampie that nice puss* and stick my c*ck in that nice small butthole. For a scene in Europe she is already very lucky if she could get paid EUR1,000 per scene. For this money it will involve a few hours of work. Also she will be watched and her face will be seen by public getting indefenitely. The porn scene will be available indefinitely so her family member, friends, relatives could watch her geeting fu*k hard anytime.

Sailor501
02-28-21, 15:33
One person said he would not pay for her. But to me she is good looking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKLszDYQWg

Chongmal
02-28-21, 16:13
Funny you use the word clever..I think that was enough said. If we are to say more it really dilutes the statement.

Concerning COVID, some people get the infection and never know. I had it and had quite the opposite experience. I was lucky not to require hospitalization. I'm one of those unfortunate people without health insurance. Anyway, my experience was one of complete pain. Everything in my body hurt. It hurt so bad I couldn't even watch porn out of fear I would need to master bate and couldn't. I was in this total pain for over 30 days. I struggled to walk 25 meters because I was completely out of breath. I wish that nobody has to experience this. Unfortunately, my uncle is currently under treatment.

McAdonis
02-28-21, 18:17
Germany tightens border with France: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants.

Mursenary
02-28-21, 18:41
Germany tightens border with France: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants.My thoughts are that this is a reasonable intervention that errs on the side of caution. Numbers in Germany have been brought under control compared to the deep winter numbers. However, progress has seen stagnant due to the build up of cases on the Eastern border. A previously posted a map showed that the increase in cases were concentrated in Bavaria and Saxony with most of the rest of Germany being spared. If the Western borders begin showing a bump, it will only delay the German mongering scene even longer.

Oddly enough though, despite the rants about the British spreading their variant through Switzerland during the holiday ski season, the hot zones are not on the Southern border with Switzerland.

Sirioja
02-28-21, 19:17
My thoughts are that this is a reasonable intervention that errs on the side of caution. Numbers in Germany have been brought under control compared to the deep winter numbers. However, progress has seen stagnant due to the build up of cases on the Eastern border. A previously posted a map showed that the increase in cases were concentrated in Bavaria and Saxony with most of the rest of Germany being spared. If the Western borders begin showing a bump, it will only delay the German mongering scene even longer.

Oddly enough though, despite the rants about the British spreading their variant through Switzerland during the holiday ski season, the hot zones are not on the Southern border with Switzerland.Ask Italians or Germans what they think about opened Swiss ski resorts attracting many UK, look what happened in Wengen on mid January when they had to cancel their legendary Lauberhorn, and now in Saint Moritz and Davos, but you seem to think you know better than Europeans? Germany is under very strict second lockdown since Christmas, even schools are closed there, also not essential stores, when not in France. Many immigrant children can't manage in Germany when they can't go to school, when they don't speak German at home.

Sirioja
02-28-21, 19:35
Germany tightens border with France: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants.Not France, but just 1 district out of our 97 , but I don't blame Germany to try to protect, even I can still easily go, but nothing to do there out of brothels. This district being under mutants, when no French mutant, where do come these mutants? When more than half new cases are from mutants.

Mursenary
02-28-21, 20:14
Ask Italians or Germans what they think about opened Swiss ski resorts attracting many UK, look what happened in Wengen on mid January when they had to cancel their legendary Lauberhorn, and now in Saint Moritz and Davos, but you seem to think you know better than Europeans? Germany is under very strict second lockdown since Christmas, even schools are closed there, also not essential stores, when not in France. Many immigrant children can't manage in Germany when they can't go to school, when they don't speak German at home.Know better than Europeans? No, not all Europeans, just Europeans who don't understand how to track data. But it's fortunate that mathematics doesn't care where you're from. Obviously cases are not spreading out of Switzerland but rather Czechia and Western Austria hence the border closures.

How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.

PaulInZurich
02-28-21, 21:09
Ask Italians or Germans what they think about opened Swiss ski resorts attracting many UK, look what happened in Wengen on mid January when they had to cancel their legendary Lauberhorn, and now in Saint Moritz and Davos, but you seem to think you know better than Europeans?.Number of new cases continuously dropping in Switzerland since mid December (7 day average went from 4300 to 1000). Sorry to disappoint you, but the current situation in Europe can't be blamed on the Swiss.

BigBuddy69
02-28-21, 21:37
Germany tightens border with France: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210228-germany-tightens-covid-controls-at-french-border-over-variants.They tighten the border between Germany and Moselle but it's still easy to enter Germany from Meurthe-et-Moselle, bas Rhin.

Haut Rhin (neighbouring departments) so someone who really wants to enter Germany by car without a test just has to drive a little more.

PaulInZurich
02-28-21, 21:55
Always the same dumb trolling and gas lighting behaviour by the same group of people pushing the government's agenda (lockdowns, vaccinating, tracking apps), by either not fully reading someone's reply, taking it out of context, or deliberately putting words into someone's mouth. It's becoming quite obvious now.Regardless how much you troll you will have to face reality. Lockdowns will end only if enough people are vaccinated. Vaccination passes (app or on paper) will help with reopening.

The fact that you can't write a single post without insulting people who don't agree with you says a lot about you.

Bless your heart.

PaulInZurich
02-28-21, 22:02
If someone wants total privacy, that person can leave his phone at home, pay with cash only and have total anonymity.I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?

Mursenary
03-01-21, 02:44
Bless your heart.Where did you learn this phrase? It's a southern derogatory colloquialism, the language of my people. Explain yourself! LOL.

ExpatLover
03-01-21, 08:11
Regardless how much you troll you will have to face reality. Lockdowns will end only if enough people are vaccinated. Vaccination passes (app or on paper) will help with reopening.

The fact that you can't write a single post without insulting people who don't agree with you says a lot about you.

Bless your heart.I hope you are right, I just have a point of concern, how efficient the vaccine will be and why in China there is no mass vaccination? It seems also that 50% of the dead have obesity problems and than the majority of the remaining 50% have serious health issues with most of the time poor life expectation less than 1 year. Concerning obesity sorry but it is the people responsibility, they just need to buy a 20 USD watch put the step counter at 10000 per day, stop drinking any soft drink, eating ice cream, no sugar, no French fries, no industrial cooked food and for sure within 3 month they will drastically reduce their weight and be far more healthy.

HammerTime96
03-01-21, 08:18
Doesn't look too good from way over here.Doesn't look too good? Really? / sarc You might want to look back at you "time capsule" about my predictions again.


Saving post and prediction for time capsule safekeeping.

Along similar lines, cases in Germany down to October levels and deaths down to Pre-Christmas levels despite vaccine naysayers reaching with scary mutant talks.Proves once again what kind of *expert* Mursenary (and his other troll usernames) really is.


I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?Guess what Paul, other people *do* care about their privacy, and will not go to FKK clubs in the same massive numbers if they lose their privacy because the EU wants a European wide vaccination & tracking app. Big FKK clubs with big expenses, rely on big volume of visitors, or how do you think they will stay afloat financially if a large percentage of potential (EU resident) visitors will no longer go? Of course there are always a handful of idiots who don't care about privacy, but most normal people actually *do* care because they have a life, a career, a family, friends etc.

Have you ever been to Sharks on a busy weekend? How many of those visitors do you think have an account here on ISG or on a German FKK forum? Probably not many, because to them it's not a lifestyle. For most of them it's a 'fun night out' but they will probably not risk their privacy, their career, their family, their reputation for an FKK visit. Have a look on German forums, and see how people there think about privacy. You might be surprised and disappointed.

European-wide vaccination app: https://www.dw.com/en/eu-coronavirus-summit-vaccine-certificates-expected-by-summer/a-56701869.

People will be vaxxed and tagged like a cow, or in your case, like a sheep. LOL!

BigBuddy69
03-01-21, 09:43
Number of new cases continuously dropping in Switzerland since mid December (7 day average went from 4300 to 1000). Sorry to disappoint you, but the current situation in Europe can't be blamed on the Swiss.Maybe we can blame the situation on the guys who broke the hard lockdown last spring to go fuck some escorts and left the country when it was forbidden in may to go fuck in Switzerland? Maybe they helped to spread the virus.

HammerTime96
03-01-21, 13:00
I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?P.S. In all your brilliance, have you ever considered that fact that, just like in real life, also in the P6 scene "it takes TWO to tango?

Perhaps many WGs are also concerned about privacy, just they are also concerned about their health? Perhaps the brief reopening in the summer last year is a sign of the future, as we saw the quality and quantity of the line-ups take a nosedive? With additional privacy concerns, perhaps many WGs will consider twice before ever working in an FKK club again?

Not every WG is a naive girl "fresh off the bus" from Romania who's 'boyfriend' convinced her to work in an FKK club, and over the years I've fucked plenty of nice and friendly WGs (usually the better fucks!) who try to lead normal lives, or even are raising a child. For these girls, P6 is a relatively easy and relatively anonymous way to make a lot of money. These girls do not want to be flagged as WGs in any (hackable) EU-wide government Covid1984 database that might be traced back to Romania, Moldavia, Estonia, Poland etc. Where their families live.

Chongmal
03-01-21, 14:17
Know better than Europeans? No, not all Europeans, just Europeans who don't understand how to track data. But it's fortunate that mathematics doesn't care where you're from. Obviously cases are not spreading out of Switzerland but rather Czechia and Western Austria hence the border closures.

How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.The Ironic Mutant. Yep. I find the "Clever" use of blaming mutants for destroying business and risking the lives of others while bragging about circumventing travel restrictions to be ironic. The self appointed superiority, the entitled attitude.

Ugh!

Mursenary
03-01-21, 16:05
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.

Mursenary
03-01-21, 16:09
Sucks that WGs in Germany have had to register with the local government to work as one for the past 3 years. What a travesty and invasion of privacy.

PaulInZurich
03-01-21, 16:16
P.S. In all your brilliance, have you ever considered that fact that, just like in real life, also in the P6 scene "it takes TWO to tango?
Perhaps many WGs are also concerned about privacy, just they are also concerned about their health? Perhaps the brief reopening in the summer last year is a sign of the future, as we saw the quality and quantity of the line-ups take a nosedive? With additional privacy concerns, perhaps many WGs will consider twice before ever working in an FKK club again?I am sure you know that at least in Germany, Austria and Switzerland prostitutes are registered with the local administration. Any FKK who doesn't want to be shut down by the police checks the papers. Not sure how vaccination papers would be the reason why a WG would decide against prostitution because of privacy concerns. I am looking forward to your explanation.

PaulInZurich
03-01-21, 16:25
The Ironic Mutant. Yep. I find the "Clever" use of blaming mutants for destroying business and risking the lives of others while bragging about circumventing travel restrictions to be ironic. The self appointed superiority, the entitled attitude.

Ugh!You don't understand, his lungs are "clean" because of cycling or skiing.

Paulie97
03-01-21, 16:49
In Reply to Hammer Time.


I mentioned before that I don't care if the government knows about me visiting a FKK and sorry to disappoint you, towards governments total privacy is long gone. You would have to abandon using computers too, but then how can you troll?Post of the Year.

PaulInZurich
03-01-21, 16:49
Guess what Paul, other people *do* care about their privacy Sweetheart, I'll try again to explain my position. Anybody can have a different view.

I do care about privacy to a certain level. However, with regards governments, privacy is long gone. That horse has fled the barn since the internet and cell phones. Having a vaccine pass won't make a difference how much government knows about you.

There are companies that know a lot about me as well. To name a few, Google, Amazon, my ISP, my cell phone provider. Maybe you don't use any of those or equivalents. Take a look in the address bar of your browser and you see that your ISP sees everything you type on ISG. If you use a VPN to get to ISG, then the VPN provider sees everything you type.

What I do care is that FKKs don't have my data. I could live with just giving them my phone number, because a regular Joe can't find me online just by my phone number. This is why I stopped going to Globe last year when canton Zurich made ID checks mandatory.

PaulInZurich
03-01-21, 17:01
People will be vaxxed and tagged like a cow, or in your case, like a sheep. LOL!How is the tagging going to work? Is it the chips from Bill Gates? Will he use all those billions of chips to mine bitcoin?

BigBuddy69
03-01-21, 17:19
The Ironic Mutant. Yep. I find the "Clever" use of blaming mutants for destroying business and risking the lives of others while bragging about circumventing travel restrictions to be ironic. The self appointed superiority, the entitled attitude.You forgot 'driving like you're in a video-game with infinite continues and the people around on the road as NPC'.

PaulInZurich
03-01-21, 17:54
I hope you are right, I just have a point of concern, how efficient the vaccine will be and why in China there is no mass vaccination? It seems also that 50% of the dead have obesity problems and than the majority of the remaining 50% have serious health issues with most of the time poor life expectation less than 1 year. Concerning obesity sorry but it is the people responsibility, they just need to buy a 20 USD watch put the step counter at 10000 per day, stop drinking any soft drink, eating ice cream, no sugar, no French fries, no industrial cooked food and for sure within 3 month they will drastically reduce their weight and be far more healthy.First round of studies from Israel confirm the effectiveness claimed by Biontech / Pfizer for their vaccine. I expect that soon we will get similar studies using the current vaccination campaigns in US, UK for other vaccines.

Vaccination started slowly in China, but I am not following what happens there.

Eradicating obesity on a global level is a worthy cause, however less practical. Let's just shoot all the people over a certain BMI or over a certain age and we have solved the pandemic.

McAdonis
03-01-21, 18:59
Maybe we can blame the situation on the guys who broke the hard lockdown last spring to go fuck some escorts and left the country when it was forbidden in may to go fuck in Switzerland? Maybe they helped to spread the virus.
Have you ever been to Sharks on a busy weekend? How many of those visitors do you think have an account here on ISG or on a German FKK forum? Probably not many, because to them it's not a lifestyle. For most of them it's a 'fun night out' but they will probably not risk their privacy, their career, their family, their reputation for an FKK visit. Have a look on German forums, and see how people there think about privacy. You might be surprised and disappointed.I can agree with the prediction that "casual monger" attendance will decrease if the tracking of presence becomes permanent. For the mongers who make this a lifestyle (most people on this board), they will not be deterred. Laws will not deter them. Threats to health will not deter them. Financial distress will not deter them. Threats to privacy will not deter them. Travelling thousands of kilometers will not deter them. The apocalypse will not deter them. The WGs can spot these mongers easily. But like you said, these hardcore mongers are the minority of club-goers.

I couldn't find anything here that says they will scan your digital vaccination certificate everywhere you go. I am not sure that would be accepted by Germans (or Europeans), who take Datenschutz seriously. Scanning at the border when passing customs is one thing, scanning in at every business establishment you enter, I cannot envision that. If it happens, it happens. Complaining on a sex board won't change that matter. Even if you were able to convince all ten of us to join your cause, it will not matter.

European-wide vaccination app: https://www.dw.com/en/eu-coronavirus-summit-vaccine-certificates-expected-by-summer/a-56701869.

Pistons
03-01-21, 21:38
Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.You forgot to switch account?

Pistons
03-01-21, 21:44
I hope you are right, I just have a point of concern, how efficient the vaccine will be and why in China there is no mass vaccination? It seems also that 50% of the dead have obesity problems and than the majority of the remaining 50% have serious health issues with most of the time poor life expectation less than 1 year. Concerning obesity sorry but it is the people responsibility, they just need to buy a 20 USD watch put the step counter at 10000 per day, stop drinking any soft drink, eating ice cream, no sugar, no French fries, no industrial cooked food and for sure within 3 month they will drastically reduce their weight and be far more healthy.Vitamin the defiency. Or simply just not high enough levels of it.

But people will just say vitamin the is a hoax, since if everyone took more supplements of vitamin the then not enough people would die.

Sirioja
03-01-21, 21:48
Number of new cases continuously dropping in Switzerland since mid December (7 day average went from 4300 to 1000). Sorry to disappoint you, but the current situation in Europe can't be blamed on the Swiss.Didn't you have a cluster in Wengen on mid January, when Bern decided to cancel so famous Lauberhorn. Did you know about tourists from all over the world, Asians, north Americans, in Saint Moritz or Davos. Many UK went to Switzerland for ski for Christmas and on January, and they made a cluster in Vallorcine on border la Forclaz close to Verbier. When all those who know a bit about Switzerland brothels, know clubs only reopened on June, but closing in ZH is longer now than under first wave. France asked us for Christmas and still not to go to Switzerland. I don't think Germany and Italy are very happy about Swiss ski resorts attracting tourists and not only jealousy about business, but risk when tourists return at home and spreading.

Kuni042
03-01-21, 22:48
I don't have to read it. No-covid is the only way. See NZ and AUS, but also SG, TW, China, Korea, etc.

That worked.

Everything else did not. All we others suffer from a social nightmare, a economic nightmare, and a health crises, because our shitty politicians only follow a low-covid strategy. Whereas no-covid already have proven to be much better.

INSTEAD we are fucking risking that this covid goes on forever, as we are breeding mutants. And mutants of mutants. THIS MAY FRIGGING never stop.


Advice you to have a look at the latest presentation of John P. A. Ioannidis from Standfort, he clearly explains who is dying from covid, what we are doing wrongly and how the lockdown are useless.

Mursenary
03-02-21, 02:40
Didn't you have a cluster in Wengen on mid January, when Bern decided to cancel so famous Lauberhorn. Did you know about tourists from all over the world, Asians, north Americans, in Saint Moritz or Davos. Many UK went to Switzerland for ski for Christmas and on January, and they made a cluster in Vallorcine on border la Forclaz close to Verbier. When all those who know a bit about Switzerland brothels, know clubs only reopened on June, but closing in ZH is longer now than under first wave. France asked us for Christmas and still not to go to Switzerland. I don't think Germany and Italy are very happy about Swiss ski resorts attracting tourists and not only jealousy about business, but risk when tourists return at home and spreading.If Switzerland were ground zero, one would think that the most affected would be the local Swiss and the southern border of Germany. Apparently not.

BigBuddy69
03-02-21, 06:02
You don't understand, his lungs are "clean" because of cycling or skiing.Cycling three weeks in a year and skiing every two years? That's a very intensive training, only real sports fanatics can engage in this, the kind of guys with world class athlete abilities!

This is my friend, how you recognize them. Fit and sharp because of this massive amount of training. They dedicate their life to Olympic level sports, not sneaking around in some kind of dirty slums every weekend.

PaulInZurich
03-02-21, 09:42
Vitamin the defiency. Or simply just not high enough levels of it.

But people will just say vitamin the is a hoax, since if everyone took more supplements of vitamin the then not enough people would die.Well, if you are high enough north, many people have a vitaminD defficiency over the winter because people don't spend enough time outside. It's relatively difficult to overdose on vitaminD (although doable), so why not, people can supplement. The supplement industry needs to make a buck too. At least we are not talking about hydroxychloroquine.

ShooBree
03-02-21, 13:09
You forgot to switch account?Nice burn, but not surprising.

BigBuddy69
03-02-21, 14:53
If Switzerland were ground zero, one would think that the most affected would be the local Swiss and the southern border of Germany. Apparently not.Stop being so stubborn.

Swiss are evil watchmakers and UK are breeding mutants from fish and chips and jelly pudding to make us pay for all the money the EU stole from them.

PaulInZurich
03-02-21, 16:46
Cycling three weeks in a year and skiing every two years? That's a very intensive training, only real sports fanatics can engage in this, the kind of guys with world class athlete abilities!
Mark of a unique talent. Climbing as fast as Tour de France riders without doing many years of regular training. I would like to see some Strava files.

ExpatLover
03-02-21, 17:51
First round of studies from Israel confirm the effectiveness claimed by Biontech / Pfizer for their vaccine. I expect that soon we will get similar studies using the current vaccination campaigns in US, UK for other vaccines.

Vaccination started slowly in China, but I am not following what happens there.

Eradicating obesity on a global level is a worthy cause, however less practical. Let's just shoot all the people over a certain BMI or over a certain age and we have solved the pandemic.May be you can have some look about the New York variant, for which it seems all the vaccines are showing low efficiency and those variant already represents 25% of the cases in NY. Dr Fauci made a conf. Yesterday about it.

Mursenary
03-02-21, 19:24
Nice burn, but not surprising.So no one had ever quoted themselves before to reiterate a point? Interesting.

Turgid
03-02-21, 19:55
Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.¨Mursenary Mursenary is offline
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Quote Originally Posted by Mursenary [View Original Post]
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.
Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.¨

You forgot to use your other account. Hahahahaha.

Sirioja
03-02-21, 20:07
If Switzerland were ground zero, one would think that the most affected would be the local Swiss and the southern border of Germany. Apparently not.Germans, like us, were asked not to go to Switzerland and everybody can control my information about what happened in famous Wengen on mid January from Christmas tourism when they had to cancel event of the year there, or Saint Moritz and Davos welcoming all over the world tourists, when EU close borders. If only one here is able to prove these information's are wrong, let me know. I don't think so many Swiss to go work in south Germany.

Sirioja
03-02-21, 20:37
You don't understand, his lungs are "clean" because of cycling or skiing.From my sports, I didn't care about virus for me since 1 year, still meeting WGs, still working at risk rather than staying in my bed waiting to be paid by French government but I would have lost much money, testing my lungs on my climbing's all along last Summer, and if one here wants to come to climb with me, or if you want we go through forbidden lines on the right when going out of Klein Matterhorn tunnel, and even better below after crevaces, to ski below the big rock on the right, what adrenaline there, in Switzerland, then just let me know. If Italy open, I will go from Breuil Cervinia and of course I will return to improve in col de Loze on my Summer tour, now I know about gruppetto speed. I m sure my sports help my health, stamina in life and power for sex, more efficient than Viagra.

Mursenary
03-02-21, 20:39
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here



Originally Posted by Mursenary
Doesn't look too good from way over here.

Doesn't look too good? Really? / sarc You might want to look back at you "time capsule" about my predictions again.
Proves once again what kind of *expert* Mursenary (and his other troll usernames) really is.





Originally Posted by Mursenary
How's the COVID racial disparity going over in Europe by the way. Doesn't look too good from way over here.

Yep. Doesn't look too good from way over here.



You forgot to use your other account. Hahahahaha.Oh children. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you.

Can't make a valid point? Just cut off the person's post. I can see why these same people are the same ones who fall into the conspiracy theorist camp. Deficiencies in reading comprehension and thoroughness.

I know you hyenas are thirsty to take down the lion but do better.

Sirioja
03-02-21, 20:40
Sucks that WGs in Germany have had to register with the local government to work as one for the past 3 years. What a travesty and invasion of privacy.Despite 1 January 2018 registration, girls kept on for money. Only Mio. De didn't.

Sirioja
03-02-21, 20:49
Not France, but just 1 district out of our 97 , but I don't blame Germany to try to protect, even I can still easily go, but nothing to do there out of brothels. This district being under mutants, when no French mutant, where do come these mutants? When more than half new cases are from mutants.Funny, Saarland giving tests for French who will have to test every 48 hours, because they say they need their 16.000 French workers to make their business. Everybody can control this information of course. This French district having more than 50% new cases from mutants, mostly UK and some south African which were not born in France. Heard about Californian, Brazilian, new Nigerian, but never about French mutant.

Sirioja
03-02-21, 21:34
Mark of a unique talent. Climbing as fast as Tour de France riders without doing many years of regular training. I would like to see some Strava files.Before covid which don't help me, I used to ski about 4 weeks per year since nearly 50 years, now very often above 3000 meters high for my more and more extreme spots like Mont Gelé on Verbier side where I had 5 runs for more than 3 hours on 2019 , lift staff looking at me with round eyes, I didn't see any other for so long. Ask doctor about pushing for more than 2 hours to cross 3500 meters high Girose glacier between 2 Alps and la Grave la Meije, or sleeping on top of Stelvio 2752 meters high for 3/4 nights and staying about 70 hours there, or climbing from Bormio, or Prato, or Gavia from Ponte di Legno, my Summer paradise, ask doctor what this make to your lungs, heart and blood, and you can go very often to gym to get the same. Then, easy with girls and no big problem to go up to 180 pulse and more to fuck. Passion help for performance and as say professionals: mind make the difference, making what you never thought you would be able.

BigBuddy69
03-02-21, 21:34
I don't have to read it. No-covid is the only way. See NZ and AUS, but also SG, TW, China, Korea, etc.Actually it's very controversial and full of biases. And for one study like this you can find 5 other ones which will tell the exact opposites. But yes you can read it as long as you don't only read this one.

Kuni042
03-02-21, 23:29
LOL -- that one I loved.


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Swiss are evil watchmakers and UK are breeding mutants from fish and chips and jelly pudding to make us pay for all the money the EU stole from them.

Pistons
03-02-21, 23:38
The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.

It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death. So it is a bit retarded that adult people are acting as if nothing. And immature people are putting this alongside hydroxychloroquine.

Clodius1
03-03-21, 00:01
I cannot say what is going to happen in Deutschland this year and next. Actually, I cannot say what's going to happen anywhere for that matter. BUT. My guess is that American mongers will be ready to board das flugzeug to hop across the pond by das Oktoberfest. What is my reasoning? A convergence of vaccines and herd immunity. The American schools are finally starting to send their kids back into the classrooms, vaccine or not. What do you think is going to happen to all those parents? They are going to get the virus and not bother to get tested or report anything. Meanwhile, 65+ grandma and grandpa are all getting the vaccine. Mongers are dripping in geld here and itching to spend it in FKK. So das ist mein prediction: probably not even worth two cents LOL. Prost!So, it looks like the USA will have herd immunity / full vaxx by the end of May. https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/03/official-merck-to-help-produce-rival-jjs-covid-19-vaccine/.

Now the USA mongers will be chaffing at the bit, waiting to see what DE does moving forward. When will Merkel let the American horde back into the NRW and Hesse?

Mursenary
03-03-21, 04:52
From my sports, I didn't care about virus for me since 1 year, still meeting WGs, still working at risk rather than staying in my bed waiting to be paid by French government but I would have lost much money, testing my lungs on my climbing's all along last Summer, and if one here wants to come to climb with me, or if you want we go through forbidden lines on the right when going out of Klein Matterhorn tunnel, and even better below after crevaces, to ski below the big rock on the right, what adrenaline there, in Switzerland, then just let me know. If Italy open, I will go from Breuil Cervinia and of course I will return to improve in col de Loze on my Summer tour, now I know about gruppetto speed. I m sure my sports help my health, stamina in life and power for sex, more efficient than Viagra.Guessing the majority of the people on the slopes were Swiss yet Switzerland never saw a Christmas ski bump.

Anecdotes versus data. Educated men make conclusions using data. The data discredits your assumptions.

BigBuddy69
03-03-21, 06:41
The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.

It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death. So it is a bit retarded that adult people are acting as if nothing. And immature people are putting this alongside hydroxychloroquine.It has been studied to death and as always your conclusions are not correct or at best very controversial.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894250/

You can go straight to the end of the paper.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 07:36
May be you can have some look about the New York variant, for which it seems all the vaccines are showing low efficiency and those variant already represents 25% of the cases in NY. Dr Fauci made a conf. Yesterday about it.The more people are infected and the longer they are infected, the more chance the viruses have to change. I still don't see another solution. Less efficient vaccines are still better than nothing and they can be updated too.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 07:50
welcoming all over the world tourists, when EU close borders. There were not people from all over the world, it was brits and others from within EU. People from high risk locations were supposed to quarantine. When more data about the UK variant came out they panicked and wanted to quarantine the brits but a lot of them just went back home.

The quarantining for people from high risk locations applies to some regions in France too, but I hear some were ignoring that. They were traveling to Switzerland anyway claiming that covid can't possibly infect them since they cycle. Sagan must be really weak if he caught covid.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 07:53
... testing my lungs on my climbing's all along last Summer..Please inspire us, post some Strava files.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 10:05
Despite 1 January 2018 registration, girls kept on for money. Only Mio. De didn't.She registered in Switzerland instead of Germany.

HammerTime96
03-03-21, 11:19
You forgot to switch account?Hahaha, nice catch and no surprise of course. Wil Bill Gates and the WEF lockdown fanatics dock his trolling-for-hire bonus for this? LOL!

Meanwhile, the German lockdown will probably continue beyond Easter which this year will be on April 4th, as suggested by StaSi Agent Merkel: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-merkel-idUSKBN21L1CY.

So how about reopening FKK clubs on June 1st, as some optimists here were dreaming about? Or August 1st? Or how about *never, because by autumn the next 'vaccine-resistant mutations' will more or less guarantee the next series of lockdowns?

HammerTime96
03-03-21, 11:31
I mistakenly copy-pasted a link to a Reuters article from last year.

Here is the article from yesterday: https://www.reuters.com/article/healthcoronavirus-germany-draft-idUSL5N2L02PY.

In the German media, there is plenty of rumours about a lockdown up till and perhaps even beyond Easter which falls on April 4th this year;.

https://www.augsburger-allgemeine.de/politik/Lockdown-bis-Ostern-Die-Plaene-von-Merkel-und-Soeder-vor-dem-Gipfel-id59225181.html

https://www.grazia-magazin.de/hot-stories/lockdown-bis-nach-ostern-laesst-merkel-dann-erst-lockerungen-zu-48766.html

The good news is that, slowly, there are a few (soft) critical voices in the German media:

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/merkel-beugt-sich-druck-vor-corona-gipfel-lockerungen-schon-ab-100er-inzidenz-moeglich/26965860.html

Kuni042
03-03-21, 14:04
Business trips are to 95% cancelled. If not more. So since almost no american will have any business here. We should be fine to let those 2 us folks in starting after Biden has fulfilled his prophecy. Say June or July? You know how slow we are in europe. It may even take til Aug. Or September.


So, it looks like the USA will have herd immunity / full vaxx by the end of May. https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/03/official-merck-to-help-produce-rival-jjs-covid-19-vaccine/.

Now the USA mongers will be chaffing at the bit, waiting to see what DE does moving forward. When will Merkel let the American horde back into the NRW and Hesse?

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 16:27
The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.

It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death. So it is a bit retarded that adult people are acting as if nothing. And immature people are putting this alongside hydroxychloroquine.Bold statement you make there.

I have no problem with people taking vitamin_D supplements. You would need to chug quite a few to overdose. But I don't think it can solve the current issue.

Pistons
03-03-21, 16:55
It has been studied to death and as always your conclusions are not correct or at best very controversial.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894250/

You can go straight to the end of the paper.Straight to the end of the paper huh?

I guess that's what you always do.

Typical sheep attitude. That way there will be less criticism towards the paid propaganda fake research papers.

Pistons
03-03-21, 16:58
I posted a link here to studied showing how covid is related to vitaminD deficiency. But I got censored.

I guess I can try one more time:

https://youtu.be/ha2mLz-Xdpg

Watch it all. Do not skip to the last 10 seconds for maximum IQ increase.

HammerTime96
03-03-21, 17:35
Documentary from RT.com about prostitution in Germany during Covid lockdowns.

https://youtu.be/A71NrNtzxb0

Although it was uploaded on the 16th of February 2021, some footage appears to be a bit older and from September-October as there is some mentioning of "November" and "December."

Nevertheless IMHO the outlook is still dire: bankrupt brothels and FKK clubs, and WGs and customers forced into illegality.

Technocrats like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and Angela Merkel (all childless by the way) will love it: no more small and independent businesses, not more independent WGs, no more reproducing 'evil' humans ("save the planet" and "build back better" and all this bla bla), and only digital sex via the internet only. https://youtu.be/YkcaeaD45MY.

Welcome to Agenda 2030, where "you'll own nothing and will be happy." It's not a 'tin-foil hat' conspiracy theory, it's right on their own WEF website while the billionaires travel the world in their fuel-guzzling private jets and limousines and rent out the thing they now own and that you need: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/.

Hitler, Stalin and Marx would have been proud of Merkel, Schwab, Blair, Gates, and all those fascist globalists!

BigBuddy69
03-03-21, 18:13
Please inspire us, post some Strava files.There are so many nice cycling events in France: la Marmotte, l'etape du tour, la Corima drome provencale, la time megeve mont blanc and so on.

I'm sure that a great climber with iron lungs could take part in all of these events and win every one!

I took part in la Marmotte some years ago, finished it (and clearly got my ass kicked) but I don't have the supernatural abilities of the best of us.

ExpatLover
03-03-21, 18:47
So, it looks like the USA will have herd immunity / full vaxx by the end of May. https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2021/03/official-merck-to-help-produce-rival-jjs-covid-19-vaccine/.

Now the USA mongers will be chaffing at the bit, waiting to see what DE does moving forward. When will Merkel let the American horde back into the NRW and Hesse?Of course you will get herd immunity but against which variant, probably not against the new one, like all the viruses covid 19 is mutating a lot like for the normal flue the vaccines are always late. The WHO told yesterday life will not return to normal in 2021 may be even 22. All those debates remain me about the story of HIV, we were promised vaccines, treatments. In fact it took many years to get some solutions like tri therapies.

HammerTime96
03-03-21, 20:04
Business trips are to 95% cancelled. If not more. So since almost no american will have any business here. We should be fine to let those 2 us folks in starting after Biden has fulfilled his prophecy. Say June or July? You know how slow we are in europe. It may even take til Aug. Or September.I'm afraid that FKK clubs will not reopen in 2021. Yes, go ahead and call me a "pessimist," but the current political atmosphere is simply not favourable.

FKK clubs will be at the bottom of the list in case of any reopening of the economy as it's seen as "seedy and dirty" (not exactly helpful during a 'pandemic') and because it's also regarded as entertainment, it simply has a very low priority.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong but I don't see any real chance, unless there is a sudden "Deus Ex Machina" plot twist to this Covid1984 police state. The 'vaccine?' Meh, most people already have immunity anyway, because 99% of "cases" are with either no symptoms, or just light flu-like symptoms. Besides, as you said, the vaccinating campaigns in most of the EU states are a big mess and are hopelessly behind schedule.


It may even take til Aug. Or September.Just in time for the regular autumn flu season and the "mutations" and the 3rd (or 4th) "wave."

Sirioja
03-03-21, 20:32
She registered in Switzerland instead of Germany.If you knew her better, you would know she works less than 90 days in Switzerland, when I had only 2 rooms with her on her arrival day at Bruggen on a end of May 2015 Sunday, and she was always welcoming really lovely after, even I couldn't anymore.

Sirioja
03-03-21, 20:43
There were not people from all over the world, it was brits and others from within EU. People from high risk locations were supposed to quarantine. When more data about the UK variant came out they panicked and wanted to quarantine the brits but a lot of them just went back home.

The quarantining for people from high risk locations applies to some regions in France too, but I hear some were ignoring that. They were traveling to Switzerland anyway claiming that covid can't possibly infect them since they cycle. Sagan must be really weak if he caught covid.Check much better, not only Europeans or UK in Saint Moritz and Davos, and I doubt others stayed in quarantine, from how they seemed to enjoy free life there. I was just on transit to brothels, never met any Swiss out of brothels, on 2020, and no visit on this year, when I would have felt really very guilty if amazing Wengen Lauberhorn was cancelled because of me, when cluster there after Christmas, more than 1 month after my last time entering Switzerland.

Palcon
03-03-21, 20:49
Documentary from RT.com about prostitution in Germany during Covid lockdowns.

https://youtu.be/A71NrNtzxb0

Although it was uploaded on the 16th of February 2021, some footage appears to be a bit older and from September-October as there is some mentioning of "November" and "December."

Nevertheless IMHO the outlook is still dire: bankrupt brothels and FKK clubs, and WGs and customers forced into illegality.

Technocrats like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and Angela Merkel (all childless by the way) will love it: no more small and independent businesses, not more independent WGs, no more reproducing 'evil' humans ("save the planet" and "build back better" and all this bla bla), and only digital sex via the internet only. https://youtu.be/YkcaeaD45MY.

Welcome to Agenda 2030, where "you'll own nothing and will be happy." It's not a 'tin-foil hat' conspiracy theory, it's right on their own WEF website while the billionaires travel the world in their fuel-guzzling private jets and limousines and rent out the thing they now own and that you need: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/.

Hitler, Stalin and Marx would have been proud of Merkel, Schwab, Blair, Gates, and all those fascist globalists!Don't forget about the Gates vaccine that turns everyone into sexless robots! Yes the outlook is quite dire for those bankrupt brothels and FKK clubs, and WGs and customers forced into illegality. How will the brothel survive when they were making more in a month than any small and independent business can dream of making in a year.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 20:51
Technocrats like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates and Angela Merkel (all childless by the way) Klaus Schwab has 2 children, Bill Gates has 3. Even you could find this if you would care just a little bit about facts instead of trolling.

Even you can do better, little troll.

Sirioja
03-03-21, 20:55
Guessing the majority of the people on the slopes were Swiss yet Switzerland never saw a Christmas ski bump.

Anecdotes versus data. Educated men make conclusions using data. The data discredits your assumptions.Look at data for famous Wengen in Bern kanton on mid January and ask them why they cancelled their main event of the year. Why many Swiss kantons are under strict lockdown since months? Because everything is fine in Switzerland? Real facts which happened, but you don't know anything about Switzerland more than your data which are only average, but Germany forbade their citizens to go to ski in Switzerland, same for France, must be a reason, same like WGs choosing me first in brothels. Why do you think Germany and Spain are forbidding UK? Because of Brexit? Because they don't like pasta with orange jam? Because this is better for business, when Germany pay tests for French workers working in Germany, to make their business keep going.

Sirioja
03-03-21, 21:05
Please inspire us, post some Strava files.Ask your doctor if being fit sporty don't help for strong health and I invite you above Martigny up to Gran San Bernardino, best part being after tunnel, with 9% average for 4 last kilometers which are above 2000 meters high, this really clean lungs and no virus there. Not changing my way of life, even job is much more complicated about safety and administration, kissed so many girls but didn't feel anything bad.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 21:43
Of course you will get herd immunity but against which variant, probably not against the new one, like all the viruses covid 19 is mutating a lot like for the normal flue the vaccines are always late. The WHO told yesterday life will not return to normal in 2021 may be even 22. All those debates remain me about the story of HIV, we were promised vaccines, treatments. In fact it took many years to get some solutions like tri therapies.Biontech, Moderna, AZ, J&J are all effective against UK variant.

Biontech, Moderna and J&J are effective against SA variant. AZ is less effective against SA variant, but still protects against severe illness.

The CEO of Biontech said that they can develop a vaccine for a new variant in six weeks. Then you need the time for trials and approvals, but it won't take many years. If a new mutant spreads globally you might need a booster shot next year.

Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.

With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 22:02
I'm afraid that FKK clubs will not reopen in 2021.A few are open in Switzerland even now. When the number of cases go low enough they will open in Austria and Germany too.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 22:09
the vaccinating campaigns in most of the EU states are a big mess and are hopelessly behind schedule. There are 55 000 Hausärzte in Germany. Early Easter the Hausärzte start with vaccinations too, not just the Impfzentren. As long as enough vaccine is delivered from the producers they can vaccinate most people by September.

Now stop squirming and I'll jab that needle in your arm.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 22:36
If you knew her better, you would know she works less than 90 days in Switzerland, when I had only 2 rooms with her on her arrival day at Bruggen on a end of May 2015 Sunday, and she was always welcoming really lovely after, even I couldn't anymore.See, this is why people don't believe you. Whenever you post something that can be verified you fall on your very long nose, Pinocchio.

Have you seen the paperwork that WGs need to file before starting to work? Because I have. They need to register before working the first day.

If they work more than 90 days they need to apply for a work permit.

If they are from EU they can work without a work permit for up to 90 days, but they still need to register.

Please read FZA; SR 0. 142.112. 681.

I guess it's easier if you just make things up.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 22:57
I took part in la Marmotte some years ago, finished it.Marmotte is fucking insane.

Glandon, Telegraph, Galibier and Alpe the'Huez in one day? Too much for me.

PaulInZurich
03-03-21, 23:17
FKK clubs will be at the bottom of the list in case of any reopening of the economy as it's seen as "seedy and dirty" (not exactly helpful during a 'pandemic') and because it's also regarded as entertainment, it simply has a very low priority.People, look, a valid paragraph. Maybe there is hope.

Clodius1
03-04-21, 01:43
Biontech, Moderna, AZ, J&J are all effective against UK variant.

Biontech, Moderna and J&J are effective against SA variant. AZ is less effective against SA variant, but still protects against severe illness.

The CEO of Biontech said that they can develop a vaccine for a new variant in six weeks. Then you need the time for trials and approvals, but it won't take many years. If a new mutant spreads globally you might need a booster shot next year.

Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.

With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.I agree with everything you say here. But here's the rub: the USA is going to open up, balls to the walls, with the Pfizer Moderna J&J trifecta. Mutant strains be damned. Like you said, the T cells will save the day, not the antibodies. People are going to get the J&J and they are going to get sick with CoronaVirus anyway. And then it's going to be over here. Remember, so far it least, J&J protects you from dying. That's all the lockdown-weary Americans are asking for at this point. Shooting out of my ass a bit here but we'll soon find out one way or the other.

Mursenary
03-04-21, 02:06
Bold statement you make there.

I have no problem with people taking vitamin_D supplements. You would need to chug quite a few to overdose. But I don't think it can solve the current issue.VitaminD helps immunity by promoting immune cell binding to various mediators of the immune response, nothing new here. The primary determinants of COVID outcome however are chronic comorbities such as diabetes, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, and renal disease. Those have very little to do with VitaminD deficiency. So while VitaminD does help with ward of some infections from overwhelming the immune response, it is by far the most important determinant of COVID outcomes.

Mursenary
03-04-21, 02:20
Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.

With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.Just a little input, Tcells and Bcells work together as part the antibody response. Primary job of Memory Bcells is to quickly mount the antibody response. TCells work to help stimulate the BCells and also as effector cells. The most effective objective of both are to eventually produce an antibody response. TCells in themselves are very inefficient without antibodies to target the microbe or infected cells.

Mursenary
03-04-21, 03:16
Look at data for famous Wengen in Bern kanton on mid January and ask them why they cancelled their main event of the year. Why many Swiss kantons are under strict lockdown since months? Because everything is fine in Switzerland? Real facts which happened, but you don't know anything about Switzerland more than your data which are only average, but Germany forbade their citizens to go to ski in Switzerland, same for France, must be a reason, same like WGs choosing me first in brothels. Why do you think Germany and Spain are forbidding UK? Because of Brexit? Because they don't like pasta with orange jam? Because this is better for business, when Germany pay tests for French workers working in Germany, to make their business keep going.Wengen events happened around January 10th. No uptick in Western European cases (except France's steady incline since December) until mid to late February. Math doesn't add up.

Eastern Europe began to see uptick in cases in late January. Math still does not add up. But if we are extremely generous with incubation periods, the British variant would have been brought to Switzerland at the beginning of January, brought to Eastern Europe with an unusually long incubation period, then spread back to Western Europe. What are the chances that richer residents of France, Germany, Italy, Netherland going skiing in expensive Switzerland and not bringing back the virus variant but the poorer residents of Eastern Europe going to rich ski resorts in Switzerland and bringing it back to Eastern Europe, only to spread it back to Western Europe.

Quite statistically unlikely and would be case against Occam's Razor. But think as you wish.

ExpatLover
03-04-21, 03:33
Biontech, Moderna, AZ, J&J are all effective against UK variant.

Biontech, Moderna and J&J are effective against SA variant. AZ is less effective against SA variant, but still protects against severe illness.

The CEO of Biontech said that they can develop a vaccine for a new variant in six weeks. Then you need the time for trials and approvals, but it won't take many years. If a new mutant spreads globally you might need a booster shot next year.

Plus, keep in mind that neutralizing antibodies is just one component of the immune response, there are also T cells, memory be cells.

With regards HIV, there was much less money invested compared to Covid, maybe because for a long time it was believed that HIV affects only junkies and gays and it was the 80's. Number of deaths in US peaked around 40 000 early 90's and went in a few years under 10 000 per year. Much smaller problem.All this looks very promising and signs more or less the end of the covid 10 pandemic and crisis. I don t understand why the WHO and Anthony Fauci were so negative just few days back.

PaulInZurich
03-04-21, 04:12
Look at data for famous Wengen in Bern kanton on mid January.Please, show the data. Show the data how Wengen or Davos spread Covid in Europe.

You were told that data contradicts your opinions. And you post more opinions.

Mursenary
03-04-21, 04:24
It has been studied to death and as always your conclusions are not correct or at best very controversial.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894250/

You can go straight to the end of the paper.More supporting evidence from the USA:

Latinos die at at 2.3 x death rate of white Americans. Black Americans 1.9 x.

Who has lower average VitaminD levels? Black people.

Who are more socioeconomically disconnected? Latinos.

COVID death rates: Latinos = worse than black Americans ( 20% worse):

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-race-ethnicity.html

VitaminD Deficiency: Black Americans = worse than Latino Americans (33% worse).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6075634/#sec1 title.

PaulInZurich
03-04-21, 05:09
I agree with everything you say here. But here's the rub: the USA is going to open up, balls to the walls, with the Pfizer Moderna J&J trifecta. Mutant strains be damned. Like you said, the T cells will save the day, not the antibodies. People are going to get the J&J and they are going to get sick with CoronaVirus anyway. And then it's going to be over here. Remember, so far it least, J&J protects you from dying. That's all the lockdown-weary Americans are asking for at this point. Shooting out of my ass a bit here but we'll soon find out one way or the other.Lockdowns are a very blunt instrument, the only thing they do is buy some time. A lot makes no sense. I can understand that you don't want an Irish pub to be bursting at the seams on an early Saturday afternoon when there are two 6 Nations games that day. But I don't understand why the flower shop down the street where I have never, ever seen more than one customer inside had to be closed too. People couldn't play tennis even outdoors until 1 March here, but ski was fine even if people have to cram in gondolas to get up the mountain. There are so many Tüpflischiissers in the bureaucracy here and they can't come up with something better after almost one year.

About the US, at least Switzerland keeps US on the list of high risk countries, that means they need to quarantine when they arrive. I think the EU regulations are similar. Traveling from countries / regions with high incidents of mutants is verboten. If a US variant becomes dominant it would apply to them too.

PaulInZurich
03-04-21, 05:30
There are 55 000 Hausärzte in Germany. Early Easter the Hausärzte start with vaccinations too, not just the Impfzentren. As long as enough vaccine is delivered from the producers they can vaccinate most people by September.

Now stop squirming and I'll jab that needle in your arm.To be fair, you said "most EU countries". Yes, I know Switzerland is not EU, but I only looked at Switzerland and Germany. I think in DE and CH they say that they will offer vaccines to everybody who wants it by June / July, they will get all needed shots in arms to everybody who wants it by September / October. Might be important for the supply of WGs, Romania is ahead of Germany with vaccinations. I still think that currently the main issue is not enough vaccines, that should improve significantly in Q2.

PaulInZurich
03-04-21, 07:44
Check much better, not only Europeans or UK in Saint Moritz and Davos, and I doubt others stayed in quarantine, from how they seemed to enjoy free life there. I was just on transit to brothels, never met any Swiss out of brothels, on 2020, and no visit on this year, when I would have felt really very guilty if amazing Wengen Lauberhorn was cancelled because of me, when cluster there after Christmas, more than 1 month after my last time entering Switzerland.I checked much better, the same rules applied with people arriving from whatever were the countries on the high risk list at the time. The issue with the brits was that they were put on high risk list after they already arrived in Switzerland. If people decided not to respect the rules, it's on them.

And I know that you know that the transit regulation is meant to allow people to drive let's say from France to Austria. You decided to claim that going to brothels somehow is transit. Even when Paris region was on the high risk list, you decided to ignore because there were no checks at the borders. You didn't meet Swiss people out of brothels, but you met Swiss people in brothels, how can that not count? You moan about brits going skiing like that is higher risk than you going to brothels. Just say that you don't care as long as you can get away with it and spare me the fake "I would have felt really very guilty" , spare me your self-righteousness and virtue signalling.

Ararat
03-04-21, 08:55
the vaccinating campaigns in most of the EU states are a big mess and are hopelessly behind schedule.
That's a good thing for you! You can't both be against vaccination and complain about slow vaccination.

Pistons
03-04-21, 10:48
I heard about the 6 week development comment by the Biontech Ceo. But that is only the development. Who says cdc in USA or EU will automatically approve each new version? And what if the virus changes so much that it leads to new effects on the body?

In any case, I'll just keep boosting my vitD levels.

PaulInZurich
03-04-21, 15:18
All this looks very promising and signs more or less the end of the covid 10 pandemic and crisis. I don t understand why the WHO and Anthony Fauci were so negative just few days back.I don't really follow what is happening in the US. I would guess Fauci wants that reopening doesn't happen too fast, first get people shots in arms, then lift restriction. I can understand that there is big pressure from a social and economic point of view to lift the restrictions, it's a tricky balance.

WHO probably thinks at global level. While EU, US might have enough, there are plenty of poorer countries that have to wait their turn. At global level this will not be finished this year.

BigBuddy69
03-04-21, 15:32
Wengen events happened around January 10th. No uptick in Western European cases (except France's steady incline since December) until mid to late February. Math doesn't add up..https://labs.letemps.ch/interactive/2020/carte-coronavirus-monde/?ref=desktopbanner#cantons-anchor.

Switzerland: the number cases for 100 k inhabitants is globally decreasing in every canton since Christmas. Now the most affected Canton is Vaud (130-150 cases for 100 k habitants). Berne is under 100 new cases.

https://covidtracker.fr/covidexplorer/

France: it has been globally slowly increasing since the beginning of December.

Now the three most affected regions are:

Ile de France: 330.

Hauts de France: 350.

Provence Alpes Cote the'Azur: 360.

Mid January: Berne 240 / Ile de France 200.

What a terrible situation in Switzerland!

Sirioja
03-04-21, 16:12
Please, show the data. Show the data how Wengen or Davos spread Covid in Europe.

You were told that data contradicts your opinions. And you post more opinions.Wengen was a cluster and not me but Bern kanton decided to cancel most important event, Lauberhorn, is it not true? With Worldcup moving to Kitzbühel earlier, must be a real reason Swiss administration decided to lose money, not so usual for them. What made this cluster? Not me for sure, when I always gave my real name and phone on my visits at Globe, Amesia, Freubad where they checked, Zeus, I m not a Donald, and was never contacted about a cluster there. I think less controls in very rich Saint Moritz and Davos, I doubt they control rich foreign tourists in 5 stars, when was reported on international news, compare to borders. When Germans don t seem to like much Swiss, even I think Swiss administration are robbery, but I love Wallis and people there, some speaking German like in Saas Grund, Saas Fe and Zermatt. Why a so strict lockdown since a while in Switzerland if everything is so fine? Why Germany and France forbid us to go? Must be reasons, maybe not on data, but real facts.

Ararat
03-04-21, 16:44
I don't really follow what is happening in the US. I would guess Fauci wants that reopening doesn't happen too fast, first get people shots in arms, then lift restriction. I can understand that there is big pressure from a social and economic point of view to lift the restrictions, it's a tricky balance.

WHO probably thinks at global level. While EU, US might have enough, there are plenty of poorer countries that have to wait their turn. At global level this will not be finished this year.A certain clientele wants Thailand to open. I don't see it happening until Christmas or so but would concede I'm no expert on that country. They have barely started and I have even less confidence in them than the Swedish authorities. Hope I'm wrong for more than one reason.

Sirioja
03-04-21, 17:23
Wengen events happened around January 10th. No uptick in Western European cases (except France's steady incline since December) until mid to late February. Math doesn't add up.

Eastern Europe began to see uptick in cases in late January. Math still does not add up. But if we are extremely generous with incubation periods, the British variant would have been brought to Switzerland at the beginning of January, brought to Eastern Europe with an unusually long incubation period, then spread back to Western Europe. What are the chances that richer residents of France, Germany, Italy, Netherland going skiing in expensive Switzerland and not bringing back the virus variant but the poorer residents of Eastern Europe going to rich ski resorts in Switzerland and bringing it back to Eastern Europe, only to spread it back to Western Europe.

Quite statistically unlikely and would be case against Occam's Razor. But think as you wish.I don't know for Eastern Europe but I know more than 50% new cases in France are mutants, mainly the one born in UK on end of last year, spreading faster and killing more, reason why UK are forbidden in Germany and Spain, not for pleasure. UK are not forbidden in France, they even made a cluster in Vallorcine on Swiss border. Belgium closed borders, Germany closed with Czech and wanted with Austrian Tirol, ski paradise, also under UK mutant. Western EU is afraid and try to protect versus mutants and mainly UK. I'm pretty sure as long mutants in EU, no way for brothels, when no Western continental European mutant exist.

BigBuddy69
03-04-21, 18:05
In any case, I'll just keep boosting my vitD levels.How? With an oral solution?

Don't you know that Covid-19 was created by the evil big pharma corporation (Sanofi and other pedophile pizzeria cult companies) to sell to sheeples their disgusting vitamin the solution? I just read on the internet that there is a nano chip inside, they will track you! Beware!

Mursenary
03-05-21, 02:56
I don't know for Eastern Europe but I know more than 50% new cases in France are mutants, mainly the one born in UK on end of last year, spreading faster and killing more, reason why UK are forbidden in Germany and Spain, not for pleasure. UK are not forbidden in France, they even made a cluster in Vallorcine on Swiss border. Belgium closed borders, Germany closed with Czech and wanted with Austrian Tirol, ski paradise, also under UK mutant. Western EU is afraid and try to protect versus mutants and mainly UK. I'm pretty sure as long mutants in EU, no way for brothels, when no Western continental European mutant exist.That's nice. Still does not support claim that UK variant spread to Western Europe through Switzerland.

Mursenary
03-05-21, 03:45
Wengen was a cluster and not me but Bern kanton decided to cancel most important event, Lauberhorn, is it not true?

Why a so strict lockdown since a while in Switzerland if everything is so fine? Why Germany and France forbid us to go? Must be reasons, maybe not on data, but real facts.New Zealand has been on strick lockdowns with very few cases. Recently they implemented a lock down when one 1 untraceable case was found. Lockdowns do not mean high numbers.

So I'll ask again, where's the data? Or are you on the same level as the conspiracy goons? I pegged you with psych issues, not issues of intellect. Was I wrong? I'd rather be proven wrong here.

Mursenary
03-05-21, 03:48
How? With an oral solution?LOL, yeah some dudes love the_D. Hey it's 2021, let's keep an open mind and accept people from alternative walks of life.

Sirioja
03-05-21, 06:02
That's nice. Still does not support claim that UK variant spread to Western Europe through Switzerland.No, not only from Switzerland and I never wrote this, when I wrote also in Austrian Tirol with ski tourism and under mutant, Bavaria wanted to close border with, also in France where UK mutant cluster in Vallorcine close to Verbier where UK couldn't stay, so they stayed in France. In Moselle 57 on German border, 50% new cases are mutant, so I find normal Germany try to protect, but German companies need 16.000 French workers and are buying tests for them to keep them working to make business and all these people needing to keep their job to feed their family. UK made clusters in Western continental Europe, mostly around ski spots they visited and then spreading with other people returning at home, with Belgium which was out of control and closed borders, not helping for their economy, Germany and Spain forbidding them and still right now, also not the best for their economy, but to protect versus mutants. When your data are only average figures, as we say in sport, details make performance. Same when I write about Swiss administration, but I never wrote Swiss people are robbers, even in brothels where I found really flexible staff at Freubad, Amesia and even number 2 Fritz at Globe. But I find covid is a real mirror for what is US society which prefer to play blind, far from American dream for so many millions, as told Texans with no water under cold: we feel to live in a third world country, at least for social, really not number 1 on this point. And yes, of course also too many deaths in France, but I find very good children could go to school and if I want I can go to buy new ski, but no others on Scott Neo 66 level for free ride and sharp curve to cut the ice between rocks, or can buy a less than 9 KGs new bicycle but I built mine with 34/32 and 36, for extreme, more than 20% steep climbing, when no interest for me to climb long Lautaret on 54/24, even I love Lautaret under snow, but to make my car rallye there, even I was not so convinced by quattro.

PaulInZurich
03-05-21, 07:55
... UK are not forbidden in France ... Well, there you go. Maybe that is the reason why you have so much UK variant in France. Occam's razor.

PaulInZurich
03-05-21, 08:06
I pegged you with psych issues, not issues of intellect. Was I wrong? I'd rather be proven wrong here.My bet is on both.

Funny how he doesn't let this one go. He drops other claims when confronted, of course not accepting "hey, I was wrong there, stand corrected" just dropping the issue, like the one with WGs not needing to register in Switzerland.

Mursenary
03-05-21, 17:47
No, not only from Switzerland and I never wrote this, when I wrote also in Austrian Tirol with ski tourism and under mutant, Bavaria wanted to close border with, also in France where UK mutant cluster in Vallorcine close to Verbier where UK couldn't stay, so they stayed in France.Well let's see what you did write:


But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border
UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one.

Mursenary
03-05-21, 20:35
Apparently stratifying covid data by race is taboo in much of Europe but France's aversion to collecting racial data regarding covid has been brought to attention:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/coronavirus-france-race-data/2020/06/25/e5b4d0a6-b58d-11ea-9a1d-d3db1cbe07ce_story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp

Similar disparities can probably be seen everywhere but apparently it is taboo to report racial data in Europe:

Www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN27Z0M3.
But I find covid is a real mirror for what is US society which prefer to play blind, far from American dream for so many millions, as told Texans with no water under cold: we feel to live in a third world country, at least for social, really not number 1 on this point.The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.

If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.

Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 00:15
Many French medical don t run to get AZ vaccine, I also won t run for any, I prefer to test my lungs on my climbing, most up to higher than 2000 meters high, but wish those who need will be protected and warmer weather will help to be stronger to fight.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 00:27
The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.

If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.

Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China. Like in brothels, I prefer real facts.

Paulie97
03-06-21, 04:17
How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China.
I prefer real facts.But like so many on this thread you bandy about the word "facts" but don't have any. For one thing the uninsured including illegals can go to US hospitals and get service. A bill may come in the mail later, but's it's meaningless with no ability to pay. I'm sure Mercenary will cover the rest.

Mursenary
03-06-21, 04:19
How can US have really reliable for your data among 11 millions illegals and more than 50 millions without insurance, 20% population who are sick and die hidden in the dark, when they are weakest about virus because poorest, but unknown when can t pay hospital. In France, everybody and even foreigners can go to our hospitals. I thought quite independent Texas with independent water was rich from petrol, before the fall. Data don t mean so reliable, for example in China. Like in brothels, I prefer real facts.For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.

Also,


But do you know UK brought their mutant in Switzerland when they went to ski for Christmas and Sylvester, meeting other nationalities and then UK mutant spread now in Switzerland neighbours. Now also south African in south Tirol Austria or France close to German border and even new Nigerian one now arriving, when EU medical is waiting for mutants high peak on March, when our second vaccine AZ is not efficient versus mutants. Do all your figures posted here know about this when EU medical worry and they should know better than you about EU. Wish at least you know a bit about US. 4 mutants are now in western Europe.
When one here claims everything going better, but Biden cried yesterday for now more than 500000 deaths and not finished, when not really knowing for illegals nor millions without insurance, when rich Texas fell under cold with no water. Compare to optimistic statistics put here, real figures are just sad for me. UK is far over 100000 deaths, they spread mutant all over Western Europe, helped by everything for money Switzerland cluster in the middle of EU, so now we have more UK mutant new cases than the original one. Of course, can t blame Germany to try to protect, forbidding UK like Spain, or thinking to close inside EU borders, or thinking about sputnik when not enough vaccine. Like for everything and in brothels, I always prefer real facts and figures, rather than beautiful draws, when I think Biden told only about 400000 on superbowl not long ago, meaning 100 000 more deaths very fast, when 4000 on some days. But of course, can only wish for less deaths, and maybe a bit of ski if Italy open on April.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 11:18
Many French medical don t run to get AZ vaccine, I also won t run for any, I prefer to test my lungs on my climbing, most up to higher than 2000 meters high, but wish those who need will be protected and warmer weather will help to be stronger to fight.Nearly 70% French medical don't want to vaccine with AZ, when they really fought to cure and save French, and French have really to thank them. AZ seem considered as low level vaccine in France and Germany, and not given to older than 75. Moderna with French boss, only start to arrive. Hungary is already using sputnik Vladimir.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 12:04
Well, there you go. Maybe that is the reason why you have so much UK variant in France. Occam's razor.Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France, when Belgium decided to close borders. When France decided to keep schools and many stores open and I fully agree with this, but I don't take economic decisions for France, when my meaning was clusters in ski spots visited by UK, in Wengen, Tirol and Vallorcine. FR close to Verbier. UK spread all around Western Europe, reason why Germany and Spain forbidden them and still now. Many UK living in France returned to their family for Christmas / new year and brought back mutant gift with them when returning to their new home in France, reason why we have 50% mutant for new cases, mutant spreading faster and killing more, unfortunately for us.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 12:22
I checked much better, the same rules applied with people arriving from whatever were the countries on the high risk list at the time. The issue with the brits was that they were put on high risk list after they already arrived in Switzerland. If people decided not to respect the rules, it's on them.

And I know that you know that the transit regulation is meant to allow people to drive let's say from France to Austria. You decided to claim that going to brothels somehow is transit. Even when Paris region was on the high risk list, you decided to ignore because there were no checks at the borders. You didn't meet Swiss people out of brothels, but you met Swiss people in brothels, how can that not count? You moan about brits going skiing like that is higher risk than you going to brothels. Just say that you don't care as long as you can get away with it and spare me the fake "I would have felt really very guilty" , spare me your self-righteousness and virtue signalling.When I'm not a Donald like many, and always gave my true private data at Freubad where they even checked ID, Amesia, Globe where Fritz knows I'm French and asking to call a number, or Zeus, but was never contacted about a cluster after my many visits, when I gave my real data to be contacted if problem, not to give to people around me. I'm fully sure I'm much more safe for others in brothels than most. Never caught anything bad and none of my girls never told me about.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 12:42
See, this is why people don't believe you. Whenever you post something that can be verified you fall on your very long nose, Pinocchio.

Have you seen the paperwork that WGs need to file before starting to work? Because I have. They need to register before working the first day.

If they work more than 90 days they need to apply for a work permit.

If they are from EU they can work without a work permit for up to 90 days, but they still need to register.

Please read FZA; SR 0. 142.112. 681.

I guess it's easier if you just make things up.I never asked her details but lovely Mio. De always told me easier for her to work for less than 90 days in Switzerland than registrating in Germany, even she prefers GT for 50/30 than Globe. But I invite you for Swiss side Gran San Bernardino which is more difficult than Alpe Huez. I will be on my Summer tour, entering from Aosta because I like to see Scott skis factory.

ExpatLover
03-06-21, 13:01
The US is not the only western nation guilty of playing blind. But at least we collect data rather than hiding it such as the policy in Europe.

If criticizing the US's lower income areas such as Texas or the rest of the South, perhaps try visiting the poor nations of Europe for comparison. I'm guessing the American South is doing much better than Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania, not to mention the Balkan nations.

Remove the emotion and ego in debate. Come back with data.You can live in a poor area or country and be happy. I prefer 1000 times to live in a small house in Romania or Bulgaria than in a luxurious apartment in NY or Frankfurt. Living in a apartment is just a nightmare for me. All our western world is sick, we just have to look about the obesity rates, human are animals and lucky animals starting by cats and dogs are not obese, when they are obese means something is wrong. Addictions of all kinds are skyrocketing, starting by alcohol which is just a terrible drug killing 3 million people per year and you still have people believing that a Chateau lafitte or Moet Chandon. Are something else than a drug and poison. If you get a liver problem the surgeon will not tell you that he can save you because you only druck famous and expensive French wines or champagne and on the contrary he can do nothing if you drunk cheap wine from I don t no where. You will get the same cancer or cirrhosis.

Mursenary
03-06-21, 18:13
Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France, when Belgium decided to close borders.Yep, more likely through France, not Switzerland as you previously tried to blame.

BigBuddy69
03-06-21, 18:41
For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.
Also,USA GDP per capita in 2019 (in chained 2012 US dollars) : 58 055. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/248133/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp/.

Texas GDP per capita in 2019 (in chained 2012 us dollars) : 61 682. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/248063/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state/.

Not so bad for a third world country.

Sirioja
03-06-21, 21:47
For the same reason you're okay with quoting data such as 11 million illegals. As if Europe does not also have millions of unauthorize residents.

Also,Are you sure your data include cases and deaths among so many, around 20% of population illegals and with no insurance who won t go to hospital when they know they can t pay the bill, and when I m sure we should agree virus kill more poor than rich, so should be higher rate among these 20% not going to hospital. What about Chinese or Russian data? Are they reliable? I trust more US but I think US just can t know with millions of hidden ghosts afraid of administration. I would also not trust so much about Switzerland when administration is ready for anything for money, from dark banks in the past, and different behind curtain, our little China in Europe. Now new mutant in Amazonie killing about 2000 people per day, when not cold weather. When Germany ask their citizens not to go abroad, not sure they will welcome not EU, when forbidding UK who are also forbidden in Spain and Italy now. If Bavarian goes after Angela, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant, to protect, not so sure Germany will welcome mutants from everywhere.

Mursenary
03-07-21, 03:30
Are you sure your data include cases and deaths among so many, around 20% of population illegals and with no insurance who won t go to hospital when they know they can t pay the bill, and when I m sure we should agree virus kill more poor than rich, so should be higher rate among these 20% not going to hospital. What about Chinese or Russian data? Are they reliable? I trust more US but I think US just can t know with millions of hidden ghosts afraid of administration. I would also not trust so much about Switzerland when administration is ready for anything for money, from dark banks in the past, and different behind curtain, our little China in Europe. Now new mutant in Amazonie killing about 2000 people per day, when not cold weather. When Germany ask their citizens not to go abroad, not sure they will welcome not EU, when forbidding UK who are also forbidden in Spain and Italy now. If Bavarian goes after Angela, when he wanted to close border with Tirol under mutant, to protect, not so sure Germany will welcome mutants from everywhere.Facts: United States law states that emergent medical services cannot be denied regardless of payment / insurance status. This includes hospitalizations due to COVID. While primary, general practice is restricted due lack of insurance, medical care due to COVID hospitalization and thus death is not heavily affected by lack of insurance.

As such, racial mortality data in the United States is more informative than the lack of such data in Europe due to Europe's reluctance to publish racial statistics.

PaulInZurich
03-07-21, 06:26
Don't you know about Channel tunnel? UK mostly entering continental Europe through France...You are making my point here, and you don't even realize it.

PaulInZurich
03-07-21, 06:47
Are you sure your data ... bla bla bla.So where is your data? You just post your usual rambling jumping through 5 subjects without any connection.

You never learned about logical reasoning?

Mursenary
03-07-21, 18:09
Funny how he doesn't let this one go. He drops other claims when confronted, of course not accepting "hey, I was wrong there, stand corrected" just dropping the issue,Admit error? Will never happen.

Sirioja
03-07-21, 20:31
Admit error? Will never happen.To give you big pleasure, I can tell you France also have too many deaths and poor in district 93 are also more at risk than rich. France will probably go to 100000, this killing my mood, so had only 2 escort meeting on this year, repeating with charming Ukrainian. I thank guys and girls on Worldcup, even no Wengen Lauberhorn, and on free ride tour, to give me a bit of dream watching them. I'm happy to see children happy to go to school, to see their friends, when schools stayed open since May, I can go to stores, I can work even much more complicated about safety, and I have no lack about brothels, not what I call addiction, when I always knew and as say girls, some thinking I m in love due to my manners treating them: I control everything.

Pistons
03-07-21, 21:11
You can live in a poor area or country and be happy. I prefer 1000 times to live in a small house in Romania or Bulgaria than in a luxurious apartment in NY or Frankfurt. Living in a apartment is just a nightmare for me. All our western world is sick, we just have to look about the obesity rates, human are animals and lucky animals starting by cats and dogs are not obese, when they are obese means something is wrong. Addictions of all kinds are skyrocketing, starting by alcohol which is just a terrible drug killing 3 million people per year and you still have people believing that a Chateau lafitte or Moet Chandon. Are something else than a drug and poison. If you get a liver problem the surgeon will not tell you that he can save you because you only druck famous and expensive French wines or champagne and on the contrary he can do nothing if you drunk cheap wine from I don t no where. You will get the same cancer or cirrhosis.There are over 300 different toxins found in the average western European person. From the air, the food we eat, the drinks we buy and even the stuff we buy on amazon, ikea or any random shop.

Fact is that these poisons kill. And they are the only reason for every disease we have in the whole world. Including why people get sick from covid.

But don't listen to Nursenaries. They don't even know that Bulgaria and Romania are both located on the balkans. You need intelligence and awareness to know such things. And when that is lacking in one area, well just guess where else it may be lacking also?

Pistons
03-07-21, 21:14
As such, racial mortality data in the United States is more informative than the lack of such data in Europe due to Europe's reluctance to publish racial statistics.Indeed. Because then people. Ordinary people. Might just realize that vitaminD is the key to reducing the risk of covid. But even Americans are lying about this fact.

BigBuddy69
03-08-21, 05:59
Indeed. Because then people. Ordinary people. Might just realize that vitaminD is the key to reducing the risk of covid. But even Americans are lying about this fact.Actually it's been made public some time ago (but like a long time) that vitamin the was very likely to decrease the number of severe cases of covid. I knew you were some kind of PR agent for oceans, are you also involved with some pharmaceutical company?

Mursenary
03-08-21, 08:09
To give you big pleasure, I can tell you France also have too many deaths and poor in district 93 are also more at risk than rich. France will probably go to 100000, this killing my mood, so had only 2 escort meeting on this year, repeating with charming Ukrainian. I thank guys and girls on Worldcup, even no Wengen Lauberhorn, and on free ride tour, to give me a bit of dream watching them. I'm happy to see children happy to go to school, to see their friends, when schools stayed open since May, I can go to stores, I can work even much more complicated about safety, and I have no lack about brothels, not what I call addiction, when I always knew and as say girls, some thinking I m in love due to my manners treating them: I control everything.Maintaining an alternate reality sounds really exhausting. So much easier to live in the real world.

BigBuddy69
03-08-21, 16:19
Maintaining an alternate reality sounds really exhausting. So much easier to live in the real world.Well, for some people the feedback from the real world can be terribly hurtful.

Pistons
03-08-21, 20:00
Actually it's been made public some time ago (but like a long time) that vitamin the was very likely to decrease the number of severe cases of covid. I knew you were some kind of PR agent for oceans, are you also involved with some pharmaceutical company?Not for Oceans. And not for the pharma industry.

But you are learning when it comes to how widespread this is. However, you shoot yourself in the foot given how much you act like you love the vaccine companies. It is like arguing against yourself. And suddenly out of nowhere you also claim to have heard about vitaminD a long long time ago. So I take it you did some research now after my posts, and act like you knew something before. Yet it is very obvious that you didn't.

How does it feel to be found out as an unknowledgeable wannabe?

BigBuddy69
03-08-21, 20:37
I think you don't get it (as usual). VitaminD is one of the factors that decrease the risks of developing a severe form, like blood type O, having no comorbidities and so on. But the only way to avoid getting sick (with something like a 90 % chance) is the vaccine. Got it?

I know you like shortcuts especially when they match your conspiracy theories. What will you say next time, that the planet earth is flat? And did you read the article I showed you, especially the part where they explained that despite the fact that black people have a lower vitaminD level in their blood, the available part for the organism is about the same, that's why they don't develop sickness usually associated with a deficiency in vitaminD, like bone fragility?

Sirioja
03-08-21, 23:57
So where is your data? You just post your usual rambling jumping through 5 subjects without any connection.

You never learned about logical reasoning?Still about 1400 deaths per day in US for more than 525 000 = 1,5% even with vaccine, they keep on competing with Brazil with crazy Bolzonaro for daily rate. I didn't think so many 72 000 deaths in Germany, they really suffered on second wave and I won't blame them to protect, when also elections for after Angela soon, not time to take risk, but to make safety to be elected. Rich Switzerland already have 9300 = 1,1% . After UK few months ago, I m very sad for Italy which reached 100 000 , when France is not far from 90 000 = 1,28% . My bad but real data, even I prefer to understand how virus move, when tourists go to a place and bringing back with them, spreading in their country. I never received any brothel message after my visits.

For my data about bicycle, when some I know their look, just make me laugh, when I never saw a expensive bicycle, even with electric gears or disc brakes or less than 7,5 kgs, climbing alone, when most often with 39/28 , sometimes 34/28 , to climb Furkapass higher than 2400 meters high on 39/28 or 34/30 , same for telegraphe, most of 17 kms of Galibier except 4 kms after plan Lachat and last kilometer above tunnel, but when you ever tried steeper than 20% , if you are able, then my 1000 € bicycle I prepared with 34/32 and 36 and all guys who really climb a bit look at it, because race technique and much more performing than expensive Pinarello or Cannondale, and legs, heart, mind and passion are more efficient than expensive beautiful bicycle. When I read only written since 2 years at the bottom of Mortirolo in Mazzo Valtellina: follow your passion, I feel they wrote for me. Look at Mortirolo and Zocolan profiles and welcome to real climbing to clean lungs when they burn so much, best technique being to be able to forget pain everywhere, in muscles, lungs, head and to keep on for passion. When you arrive on top of Zoncolan, after the 3 tunnels, Italians support you as a heroe, when I climbed 5 times, a bit same than free ride runs under lift, between rocks down Mont Gelé on Verbier side, a real fall then die. My real pleasure for both extreme.

Sirioja
03-09-21, 00:21
I heard medical about vitamin De making stronger, why most are stronger under sun and heat, because making more vitamin De, but if blood O and being sporty fit also help, then I understand better when I didn't change my way of life, except can't ski, but still kissing girls. When vaccined can still catch and give, healthy type O may be as efficient as low level AZ as say French medical who don't want it.

PaulInZurich
03-09-21, 03:14
There are over 300 different toxins found in the average western European person. From the air, the food we eat, the drinks we buy and even the stuff we buy on amazon, ikea or any random shop.

Fact is that these poisons kill. And they are the only reason for every disease we have in the whole world. Including why people get sick from covid.The only reason for every disease, really? Another bold statement.

PaulInZurich
03-09-21, 03:31
I heard medical about vitamin De making stronger, why most are stronger under sun and heat, because making more vitamin De, but if blood O and being sporty fit also help, then I understand better when I didn't change my way of life, except can't ski, but still kissing girls. When vaccined can still catch and give, healthy type O may be as efficient as low level AZ as say French medical who don't want it.Ah yes, people with type O blood type transmit covid less than vaccinated people. Famous double blind study published in the famous "I pulled something out of my ass quarterly" medical journal.

Mursenary
03-09-21, 04:27
Still about 1400 deaths per day in US for more than 525 000 = 1,5% even with vaccine, they keep on competing with Brazil with crazy Bolzonaro for daily rate. I didn't think so many 72 000 deaths in Germany, they really suffered on second wave and I won't blame them to protect, when also elections for after Angela soon, not time to take risk, but to make safety to be elected. Rich Switzerland already have 9300 = 1,1% . After UK few months ago, I m very sad for Italy which reached 100 000 , when France is not far from 90 000 = 1,28% . My bad but real data, even I prefer to understand how virus move, when tourists go to a place and bringing back with them, spreading in their country. I never received any brothel message after my visits.So what does that have to do with claims of the British coming to Switzerland and causing the spread there. None the numbers you quoted has anything to do with that. What exactly is your main thesis? .

Any claim of Swiss ski resorts being a hub of spread is purely anecdotal with no data to support this claim. When there are no surge in Swiss cases, are we to believe that only tourists are spreading to other tourists? No Swiss go to ski in those resorts? Locals are immune to tourist variants?

It's been determined a long time ago that most transmissions have been through loved ones and close acquaintances in small indoor social gatherings rather than mass transmission in public areas. Being outdoors on skis, likely with some neck gaiter or other face covering just to protect from the cold, produces a low incidence of mass spread. Viral load determines if people become symptomatic or carriers and being outside while zipping down a hill at 80 km / HR does not create the easiest transmission scenario.

BTW Current incidence rates for 8th March, 2021:

Cases /100 K people / Day.

United Kingdom 8.

Germany 10.

Switzerland 12.

US 20.

Sweden 21.

Austria 26.

France 30.

Brazil 32.

Italy 33.

Czechia 112!

Mursenary
03-09-21, 05:01
I think you don't get it (as usual). VitaminD is one of the factors that decrease the risks of developing a severe form, like blood type O, having no comorbidities and so on. But the only way to avoid getting sick (with something like a 90 % chance) is the vaccine. Got it?

I know you like shortcuts especially when they match your conspiracy theories. What will you say next time, that the planet earth is flat? And did you read the article I showed you, especially the part where they explained that despite the fact that black people have a lower vitaminD level in their blood, the available part for the organism is about the same, that's why they don't develop sickness usually associated with a deficiency in vitaminD, like bone fragility?You hit the nail on the head. It's not new information that VitaminD plays a significant role in immune function. Specifically, it aids in immune cell signaling / communication. It's overall effect on COVID susceptibility is about on the same level as the protection a condom provides against a hooker with genital crabs. Significant? A bit. Is it it effective? Somewhat. Would you trust it to prevent you from having itchy pubes? Not a smart move.

Pistons
03-09-21, 13:02
I think you don't get it (as usual). VitaminD is one of the factors that decrease the risks of developing a severe form, like blood type O, having no comorbidities and so on. But the only way to avoid getting sick (with something like a 90 % chance) is the vaccine. Got it?

I know you like shortcuts especially when they match your conspiracy theories. What will you say next time, that the planet earth is flat? And did you read the article I showed you, especially the part where they explained that despite the fact that black people have a lower vitaminD level in their blood, the available part for the organism is about the same, that's why they don't develop sickness usually associated with a deficiency in vitaminD, like bone fragility?No, you don't get it. My post was in response to Nursenaries talk about how different groups in society were hit on various levels. And my response was the skin tone. And due to the skin tone, the uptake on vitD differs.

You are also wrong regarding vaccines. As they also, more so with the AZ vaccine do not avoid you from getting sick. But as with vitD, the risk of developing a severe form is reduced. And the reduction is less and less the more fun (corona) mutations we get. Like the ones found on the SA and Brazilian versions. Such as the E484 K, K417 N, N501 Y (Brazilian only) mutations.

I already wrote here twice about flat earth. If you didn't read that, that is your problem. But it is made as a joke by a PR company in order to make fun of people who argue against their other projects. Just like the covid pandemic coverup on the capitalistic system. And exactly in order to use the argument just like you did here. In fact, you take this so easily out of the book that I described a month or two ago that I am starting to believe that you are not really a scentient being. But an AI bot. People might have seen you and spoken to you, but in fact you are just a hologram with a simple AI algorithm behind you. And that is why you also keep arguing in loops against yourself.

The last part related to bone fragility is irrelevant in our discussion here. Because then we could also drag in the recent massive jumps in deaths in southern Africa related to the new be. 1.351. And there are indications that the death numbers there are extreme at the moment. In Mozambique, Malawi, and even in South Africa itself the total excess death rates are several (double in SA's case) times that of the reported covid deaths.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55674139

Pistons
03-09-21, 15:47
You hit the nail on the head. It's not new information that VitaminD plays a significant role in immune function. Specifically, it aids in immune cell signaling / communication. It's overall effect on COVID susceptibility is about on the same level as the protection a condom provides against a hooker with genital crabs. Significant? A bit. Is it it effective? Somewhat. Would you trust it to prevent you from having itchy pubes? Not a smart move.Of course it is not new information. But both you and the big guy did not know about it before you just started googling it.

Pistons
03-09-21, 15:51
And susceptibility or not, that is not the question. If you don't get any worrisome symptoms out of it, you won't be testing yourself. Same goes for the girl or guy spreading genitalia warts.

BigBuddy69
03-09-21, 15:56
Ah yes, people with type O blood type transmit covid less than vaccinated people. Famous double blind study published in the famous "I pulled something out of my ass quarterly" medical journal.The real studies said that some blood groups where less likely to get covid. (slightly lower risk so that's not a miracle cure).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2872LH

If you're very good at nonsense and have the foreign language skills of a 12 yo schoolboy, you can conclude that O group is as effective as a vaccine.

I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?

Mursenary
03-09-21, 17:25
The only reason for every disease, really? Another bold statement.LOL, you haven't put him on the ignore list yet? Reading his posts is as productive as watching Reality television.

Pistons
03-09-21, 17:53
I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?Ever heard of religion? Are you religious?

I mean, it has been clear for a long time how unaware you are regarding most things in life. But come on!

Pistons
03-09-21, 18:04
I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?1. what do you think Gallileo Gallilei did before figuring out that the Earth was not the center of the universe?

I will answer it for you: he made a theory. At the time: an absurd theory some religious nuts would say.

2. What do you think the police do every time there is a murder?

I will answer this one for you too: They come up with theories regarding possible subjects.

Internet is just a democratization of who gets to have a say in the daily agenda. And it removes some of the top down facist power of the state as an institution in this regard.

Pistons
03-09-21, 18:19
I knew you were some kind of PR agent for oceans, are you also involved with some pharmaceutical company?In essense, you are nothing but a conspiracy theorist yourself. The difference between you and me are just that all of your conspiracy theories are wrong, while mine are correct.

SO ask yourself, where did you hide before the internet arrived?

Pistons
03-09-21, 18:22
And there we are yet again. Back to where BigB is arguing against himself in an eternal loop, reminiscent of some simple AI network trained through low quality input data.

Sirioja
03-09-21, 20:52
Ah yes, people with type O blood type transmit covid less than vaccinated people. Famous double blind study published in the famous "I pulled something out of my ass quarterly" medical journal.Vaccinated can still catch and give, they are only protected not to fall too sick, I think quite the same for a healthy blood O, but I will never say and I never wrote not to vaccine, and wish all those who need will get, when already too many deaths. As I always told my too many followers: don't do like me, I m not a good example, I just know and control what I do.

Sirioja
03-09-21, 21:33
LOL, you haven't put him on the ignore list yet? Reading his posts is as productive as watching Reality television.Can open mind to read other opinions, when we are so different and no real friends in brothels. Are you able to check reliability for all your data? Wish you don't believe too much Russian or Chinese ones, when I m fully sure about UK mutant in Portugal, Italy, France, Tirol. At and cluster in Wengen on mid January after ski for Christmas and new year. I always prefer real facts, like in brothels.

BigBuddy69
03-09-21, 22:47
I'm going to spend one last time answering you and then I'll call it a day.


The racial disparity has nothing to do with social income imbalance. That is just a total lie made by some emo kids and the woke crowds.
It is solely attributed to vitaminD defiency. Basically, there is a reason why it is necessary to know whether vitamin D supplementation could be useful in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 in the AA population.people up north have white skin. And that is we need less sunlight to absorb vitaminD. So when darker skinned people move up north, they will need that much more sunlight. Thus they also have much higher levels of vitaminD deficiency. This has been studied to death.Do you remember what you wrote? As I said it's very controversial. I found one paper which was partially backing up your claim:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41371-020-00398-z


There are many health disparities in AA like high incidence rates of obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular and renal diseases, among others. The usual explanation for these differences is the low socioeconomic status and educational levels, the social environment, lifestyle habits, and less access to health care services. However, there are pieces of evidence that these non-favorable conditions are not enough, and there are other influential factors that may help to a better approach to the real problem, like some genetic polymorphism and epigenetic-driven changesYou don't see the slight difference between 'solely' and 'other influential factors that may help'?

Here is a part of the conclusion:


it is necessary to know whether vitamin D supplementation could be useful in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 in the AA population.And finally this paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1871402120301156?via%3Dihub#tbl3


Conclusions
Our findings do not support a potential link between vitamin D concentrations and risk of COVID-19 infection, nor that vitamin D concentration may explain ethnic differences in COVID-19 infection.This is really not what I call 'studied to death'.

If you want an history about the pro-VitD studies and the we-are-really-not-sure read this: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2775003.

As for your ramblings about me being an AI and / or googling VitaminD after you decided to enlighten us with your knowledge, I had my first prescription of VitD in October, maybe you want me to scan the paper? I also ate some cod liver a few months ago, sorry I threw the box and the receipt in the thrashbin.

As for Galileo, he was rather good at logical reasoning, not the kind of guy to pick one explanation and ignore all the others.

Mursenary
03-09-21, 23:48
The real studies said that some blood groups where less likely to get covid. (slightly lower risk so that's not a miracle cure).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idUSKBN2872LH

If you're very good at nonsense and have the foreign language skills of a 12 yo schoolboy, you can conclude that O group is as effective as a vaccine.

I wonder what the absurd theories artists were doing before the internet age? They were part of some cult, believing you can cure cancer by sodomy or something like that?Thanks to you, Paul, and a few other for displaying science literacy. It's been lacking on this board for at least during this pandemic. Blood type and VitaminD have some significance but are hardly the primary determinants of outcome.

The O-blood Type observation has been around for a host of other infectious diseases. Studies however vary greatly in their statistical significance. What that suggests is that while O type is correlated, it may not be the cause of positive outcomes. In statistical analysis, when the variability is so great across multiple studies, it suggests that the variable under investigation has a secondary relationship to another more determinant, underlying factor.

Similarly, VitaminD level's role in immune health is hardly the primary determinant in immune health outcome. What actually is of clinical significance is VitaminD deficiency. And as you alluded to earlier, black people generally have higher thresholds for VitaminD deficiency. Furthermore, vitaminD levels vary greatly amongst different groups of black people. Equatorial Africans actually have a much higher level of activated VitaminD than even Caucasians. On the other hand, black Americans and Hispanics have the lowest levels in the world. Dark skin does not directly determine VitaminD levels, rather dark skin merely means you need more UV light to activate VitaminD.

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:818ac6fd-3b10-4315-975b-218d56607403

These are the little nuances that suggests that perhaps information should be restricted. Arrogant people who are too lazy to actually learn the subject think that they know more than those who actually spent the time to learn and more importantly, understand. When they speak on such subjects, they disseminate faulty conclusions because they cherry pick convenient data and repeat article headlines. That is why you don't see them posting primary sources. I don't think they are able to understand. The end effect, they spread detrimental half truths causing misinformation in society. Before open internet, they were restricted to their poorly educated circles. Now, they are free to spread falsehoods to a larger audience and thus recruiting other crazies at a significantly faster rate.

The battle for truth, or at least effective truths, lies between the due diligence of knowledge seekers versus the lazy self-servitude of the scourges of the world.

Mursenary
03-10-21, 04:28
Vaccinated can still catch and give, they are only protected not to fall too sick, I think quite the same for a healthy blood O, but I will never say and I never wrote not to vaccine, and wish all those who need will get, when already too many deaths. As I always told my too many followers: don't do like me, I m not a good example, I just know and control what I do.No. Being vaccinated also decreases the amount of time in which you may be contagious.

Mursenary
03-10-21, 04:31
Can open mind to read other opinions, when we are so different and no real friends in brothels. Are you able to check reliability for all your data? Wish you don't believe too much Russian or Chinese ones, when I m fully sure about UK mutant in Portugal, Italy, France, Tirol. At and cluster in Wengen on mid January after ski for Christmas and new year. I always prefer real facts, like in brothels.Do what you want. Reading Tabloids and conspiracy, poorly educated writings hurt my brain.

Mursenary
03-10-21, 04:32
I always prefer real facts, like in brothels.Most erroneous statement of the year.

Mursenary
03-10-21, 04:40
I'm going to spend one last time answering you and then I'll call it a day.

Do you remember what you wrote? As I said it's very controversial. I found one paper which was partially backing up your claim:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41371-020-00398-z

You don't see the slight difference between 'solely' and 'other influential factors that may help'?

Here is a part of the conclusion:

And finally this paper:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1871402120301156?via%3Dihub#tbl3

This is really not what I call 'studied to death'..Just stop quoting him. I know him personally. Dude is a "media communications" guy speaking about matters of science. His kind is incapable of empirical, scientific, multifactorial thinking. Seriously, just let him write and the internet will ensure that his writings will be a caricature against objective and logical thought.

BigBuddy69
03-10-21, 06:02
This is very funny but I just checked 'LeMonde' which is one of the three major newspapers in France and probably the most independent and the first headline was (translated) : 'the renewal of cult phenomenons in the shadow of the pandemic'.

https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2021/03/10/le-renouveau-des-phenomenes-sectaires-a-l-ombre-de-la-pandemie_6072543_3224.html

On the cartoon the lobotomized guy reads on the internet that 'covid is a conspiracy to implant 5 g chips through vaccination, we offer you a natural diet to counter 5 g, subscribe'.

HammerTime96
03-10-21, 19:37
This is the 'transparent' and 'virus-free' world that paid trolls like Mursenary-BigBuddy69 (and all his other usernames) are striving for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsn0bj_P6o

I think most Israelis know a thing or two about what it's like to live in a fascist police state and to have a tattoo on your arm to identify you. The tattoo is simply replaced with a digital one on your smartphone. P.S. No surprise that a fascist zionist like 'Nutanyuhu' (related to Mursanary perhaps? LOL) is coming up with this, and I hope the Israeli people will resist and protest!

Here's another 'succes' story from the vaccinating lobby;.

A 91 year old German woman is vaccinated: https://www.suedkurier.de/region/bodenseekreis/bodenseekreis/corona-impfungen-im-bodenseekreis-die-91-jaehrige-waltraut-roemer-ist-eine-der-ersten-die-sich-piksen-laesst;art410936, 10702270.

And then 2 weeks later she is dead: https://www.suedkurier.de/region/bodenseekreis/bodenseekreis/ich-konnte-mich-nicht-verabschieden-zwei-angehoerige-erzaehlen-wie-sie-die-corona-infektionen-ihrer-eltern-erlebt-haben;art410936, 10720741.

She clearly 'survived' the flu wave 'Scamdemic' so far, and yet she dies a few weeks after she is 'vaccinated. ' And the biggest irony? Her death is registered as "covid19" and not as "murdered-by-the-vaccine-lobby-and-the-fascist-politicians."

Sirioja
03-10-21, 22:50
Do what you want. Reading Tabloids and conspiracy, poorly educated writings hurt my brain.But you still read everything like your French forum friend reading all my writings since I started on another forum on end of 2012 , really obsessed, writing like being Rudy Gobert, when more as large as tall, when I keep on my way to make my pleasure, in brothels like in my mountains.

Mursenary
03-11-21, 01:21
For some random reason I got curious about the population of Israel. Less than 5% of the population is over 75 years of age. The last concentration camp in Germany was liberated in 1945, making the youngest person to have lived under Hitler's rule around 76. I guess most Israeli's wouldn't actually "know" what it was like to live under a fascist regime.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/israel/2019/

Mursenary
03-11-21, 02:04
But you still read everything like your French forum friend reading all my writingsI know, add it to the list of my character flaws. But full disclosure, I start skipping sentences and even paragraphs every there are ramblings of "super fit" bicycle man.

Pistons
03-11-21, 02:36
BigB: most of your links are handpicked selective nonsense science. Anyone can write a study, and by political reasons get it published. Think for yourself for just one minute, and you will realize how obvious it is. Either way, it is not my problem, I am as white as we get.

BigBuddy69
03-11-21, 08:15
This is the 'transparent' and 'virus-free' world that paid trolls like Mursenary-BigBuddy69 (and all his other usernames) are striving for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMsn0bj_P6oHere is an answer to your youTube video made by a self proclaimed health advisor:

http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2021/01/guest-post-why-you-should-take-vaccine.html

As for Netanhayu, he's a corrupt "all guns blazing" politician but he has been part of Israel's political scene for decades and he has been re-elected again and again, you really think Israelis would vote for him if he was a Nazi wannabe given the history of the country? Actually they have no problem voting for him when he wants to send settlers in occupied territories. Maybe this passport will be the only thing he has done right. But don't worry I have a solution for you: you don't want the vaccine no problem? Just make a fucking test every two or three days so you can have your green passport.

And for the German elder woman, you and your bunch of paranoid friends were constantly crying out some months ago that most of the covid deaths were probably not covid deaths because the victims were old and sick and they probably died because of their condition. So maybe this woman is dead because of her age and her condition no? And even though she died because of the vaccine (and it could be the case), there is a benefit-cost ratio associated to every medicine so unfortunately there will be deaths associated to the vaccine. But there is a 99,9 % chance that more people will live.

With men like you, a dog bite could still be deadly and Pasteur would have been imprisoned: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/rabies-vaccine-used-human.

BigBuddy69
03-11-21, 08:19
Just stop quoting him. I know him personally. Dude is a "media communications" guy speaking about matters of science.You really have strange acquaintances. You did a dick contest under the shower with him too? Have you some kind of fetish of hanging around with guys suffering of severe personality disorder?

I got it! You do it to look greater in the eyes of the girls! Like "hey babe, he's my weirdo friend but don't worry I'm absolutely not like him."

Paulie97
03-11-21, 09:03
Arrogant people who are too lazy to actually learn the subject think that they know more than those who actually spent the time to learn and more importantly, understand. When they speak on such subjects, they disseminate faulty conclusions because they cherry pick convenient data and repeat article headlines. That is why you don't see them posting primary sources. I don't think they are able to understand. The end effect, they spread detrimental half truths causing misinformation in society. Before open internet, they were restricted to their poorly educated circles. Now, they are free to spread falsehoods to a larger audience and thus recruiting other crazies at a significantly faster rate.

The battle for truth, or at least effective truths, lies between the due diligence of knowledge seekers versus the lazy self-servitude of the scourges of the world.This well articulates the issues at hand. It's also worth noting that there's often a lot of $ to be made spreading fake science, conspiracy theories and the like. Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.

BigBuddy69
03-11-21, 09:26
Do what you want. Reading Tabloids and conspiracy, poorly educated writings hurt my brain.The thing is, I don't have to read tabloids and conspiracy sites. I have no problem with sickos writing blogs about their delusions of grandeur since I won't read them and they won't be quoted on another websites that I read. I also have no problems about all the nutcases on the social networks because I always stayed clear of them, I have no interest in people staging their life to make them feel better about themselves. But when a public internet board becomes the home of a guy suffering from severe NPD among other things and the guy floods every threads of the board with nearly 15,000 posts of total nonsense written in botched English (just repeating what he did before in another place), the other writers tend to react, and the board kind of loses his point because the useful information disappears or is diluted in all those ramblongs.

Canary
03-11-21, 11:34
After having had my Covid vaccine nearly three weeks ago I'm beginning to feel more confident about reaching some sort of normality even if it won't be the same as before for a long time.

This thread doesn't always report good or improving news so those that need a boost I thought I would share the latest UK news.

Death rates have plummeted (35% in the last week) and the infection rate is dropping drastically week on week to around 5,000 a day. Nearly 23 million citizens have had the first jab.

Schools reopened on Monday, from March 29th people will not be restricted to their local area & bars / restaurants (only outside) should open in April. If all goes well nearly everything opens up in May with possibly flights resuming to "safe" countries followed by a complete reopening in June.

Yes things could get delayed, there could be obstacles ahead but how refreshing it is to have a positive timetable even if we have an idiot as Prime Minister who can't be trusted.

Does anyone have an update as to what is happening in Germany as its nearly a year since I was last in Sharks?

If the UK is starting to make a positive impact into this ghastly virus I assume things are starting to move in Germany too?

I miss Sharks so much LOL!

BigBuddy69
03-11-21, 16:46
I know, add it to the list of my character flaws. But full disclosure, I start skipping sentences and even paragraphs every there are ramblings of "super fit" bicycle man.If you know something about bicycle or even endurance sports, they're the most funny.

Pistons
03-11-21, 16:49
You really have strange acquaintances. You did a dick contest under the shower with him too? Have you some kind of fetish of hanging around with guys suffering of severe personality disorder?

I got it! You do it to look greater in the eyes of the girls! Like "hey babe, he's my weirdo friend but don't worry I'm absolutely not like him."LOL! You are talking about the nurse with the micro penis here. And you make the same kind of joke as I did awhile back. Again with the circular arguments. Zero originality. Geez!

OK, that settles it, you really are just another Nursenary handle after all. I had a hunsh for awhile.

Pistons
03-11-21, 16:59
This well articulates the issues at hand. It's also worth noting that there's often a lot of $ to be made spreading fake science, conspiracy theories and the like. Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.Alex Jones is a pretty smart guy that way. But he is unfortunately for him too much of a boomer. He is not very modern in his way of thinking. And that hurts him. The boomer generation he is brought up in. American boomer generation and what comes with that mainly for bad reasons.

The nurse is not very well articulate at all (he might in fact be your other handle given the history of handles who quoted each other saying they were right). He is just an ad nauseum copy paster of things we read day in and day out in a million newspapers. And then he thinks he is wise by being a sheep. Beææææh. So boring and dull.

Why do you think there are wars, covid and famine anyway?

Answer: Because the gods are bored of sheeps.

P.S: Neither you nor the nurse nor the BigB are able to find the studies saying darker skinned people need more sun in order to attain vitD from the sun. That in itself says a whole lot regarding your 'scientific' approach. Nonsense is what I call it. And paid science is part of communication strategies. In all fields of studies. Especially when it comes to handpicking science taught in school. And especially in USA.

Pistons
03-11-21, 17:03
Enjoy your vaccines:

Utah mom Kassidi Kurill dies four days after second dose of Moderna vaccine.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/utah-mom-kassidi-kurill-dies-days-after-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/

Too bad really, as we'd all probably have boned her. How many more MILFs needs to die due to wannabe nurses and would-be unscientific sheeples?

Mursenary
03-11-21, 17:14
You really have strange acquaintances. You did a dick contest under the shower with him too? Have you some kind of fetish of hanging around with guys suffering of severe personality disorder?

I got it! You do it to look greater in the eyes of the girls! Like "hey babe, he's my weirdo friend but don't worry I'm absolutely not like him."Ah, there's something to that. Ever notice how some girls keep fat friends around? I think it's something like that.

Mursenary
03-11-21, 17:55
The thing is, I don't have to read tabloids and conspiracy sites. I have no problem with sickos writing blogs about their delusions of grandeur since I won't read them and they won't be quoted on another websites that I read. I also have no problems about all the nutcases on the social networks because I always stayed clear of them, I have no interest in people staging their life to make them feel better about themselves. But when a public internet board becomes the home of a guy suffering from severe NPD among other things and the guy floods every threads of the board with nearly 15,000 posts of total nonsense written in botched English (just repeating what he did before in another place), the other writers tend to react, and the board kind of loses his point because the useful information disappears or is diluted in all those ramblongs.Well, I do offer some forgiveness. You and McA have both alluded to Narcissistic Personality Disorder and observations here do check many boxes. There are displays of "Narcissistic defenses" for sure, but making a diagnosis would require more direct questioning with other diagnostic assessment tools. The reason I offer some forgiveness is that whatever condition, it is something that the person has been living with for decades. As such, I don't think he is even aware anymore. At a certain point, when someone's survival tool has been to reconstruct reality to something more palatable, you just pity them because the constructed reality is their defense against a world that has hurt them.

The saving grace however, is that he does not seem to be one of the ones who push moronic ideas on others. Mostly, it's just the ramblings of a senile Grandpa. He is often wrong in matters of science, but it's usually errors of ignorance and not delusion or arrogance. Others however seem to knowingly perpetuate falsehoods and half-truths. I think some do it to feed their egos while others do it to win a game. None of them seem to have any real stake in the game which is why I judge them even more harsh. While one's actions mostly affects only himself while perhaps merely annoying others, the other parties are active threats to truth and reason.

Mursenary
03-11-21, 18:23
This well articulates the issues at hand. It's also worth noting that there's often a lot of $ to be made spreading fake science, conspiracy theories and the like. Just look at Alex Jones, a guy with no higher education who references any far out source indiscriminately along with his own imaginations. He probably doesn't even know what a primary source is. But he's seen a lot of personal financial success selling hocus pocus vitamin supplements, gold and silver investments and survival gear. The misinformation draws a crowd for the sales pitch.I see those guys in the same light the emo and goth kids. It's a subculture in the sense that people who don't do well with the norms set by society strive to find other ways of coping. They find comfort in the smaller collective of other lesser players of the game. Hence the development of a fringe group. I'm not really saying that subcultures are inherently detrimental, not at all; I'm just merely proposing one theory as how such personalities have come to be. The "freaks and geeks" crowd have actually produced numerous productive contributors to society such as Musk, Zuckerberg, various innovators; however, the same phenomenon has produced the Timothy McVeighs, Adam Lanza's, and James Holmes.

Mursenary
03-11-21, 21:28
Does anyone have an update as to what is happening in Germany as its nearly a year since I was last in Sharks?

If the UK is starting to make a positive impact into this ghastly virus I assume things are starting to move in Germany too?

I miss Sharks so much LOL!I have no first hand info on Germany but tracking the regional data and the surrounding areas, Germany seems to be at a watershed point. They border Czechia which is seeing the worst surge in Europe. The regional border closure a few weeks ago seems to be keeping the cases contained. But with rising cases in their eastern neighbors (Austria and Poland) probably keeps the politicians up at night hoping to be able to keep their prediction of easing restrictions by April.

I think the few optimistic hopes for May club openings should be put aside.

Paulie97
03-11-21, 21:36
I see those guys in the same light the emo and goth kids. It's a subculture in the sense that people who don't do well with the norms set by society strive to find other ways of coping. They find comfort in the smaller collective of other lesser players of the game. Hence the development of a fringe group. I'm not really saying that subcultures are inherently detrimental, not at all; I'm just merely proposing one theory as how such personalities have come to be. The "freaks and geeks" crowd have actually produced numerous productive contributors to society such as Musk, Zuckerberg, various innovators; however, the same phenomenon has produced the Timothy McVeighs, Adam Lanza's, and James Holmes.That's an excellent point in that these sub-cultures often offer a sense of community to outcasts and the anti-social. It also may explain why such individuals are so common in monger forums, as many who seek out P4P have had little success with traditional relationships.

Such communities are also hot beds of "group think," ironic indeed while they call those who agree with mainstream science "sheeple."

Paulie97
03-11-21, 21:48
Enjoy your vaccines:

Utah mom Kassidi Kurill dies four days after second dose of Moderna vaccine.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/utah-mom-kassidi-kurill-dies-days-after-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/

Too bad really, as we'd all probably have boned her. How many more MILFs needs to die due to wannabe nurses and would-be unscientific sheeples?Well, first of all, you aren't going to bone anyone bro without paying for it. Wink.

Second, you're logical fallacy is non-sequitur.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/non-sequitur

Because a tiny percentage have an adverse reaction to a vaccine it doesn't follow that the entire world should give up on it. And that's precisely why your views / faulty logic is consigned to the fringes where it belongs, among the followers / sheeple that lack even the most basic critical thinking skills.