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PaulInZurich
04-24-21, 13:44
Thanks for keeping us updated RE Osterreich. Let us know when the Vienna airport is ready to accept vaccinated Amerikaner and GT is open again.GT is reopening 19 May.

Pistons
04-24-21, 13:48
Currently I am scouring the woods in search of the Agarikon mushroom. I truly believe this mushroom will save me from covid or herpes!

PaulInZurich
04-24-21, 14:20
Take a look at what is happening in India and see what happens when you let the number of cases go up uncontrollably.

McAdonis
04-24-21, 14:43
Gross overhead: <9 K per year.

How do I know those numbers? Those are my mother's expenses.

Many first gen immigrants never experienced first world luxuries when they were your age or mine so they continue to live the lifestyle to which that they have been accustomed.RE: Not having first world habits and ability to delay instant gratification. This type of financial discipline can also be deployed by immigrants to save money for their luxury purchases. Eat nothing but instant noodles and have six roommates, then purchase the latest iPhone, or luxury watch, purse, used-BMW. So it can be both extremes of frugal and frivolous. Although this would usually be immigrants (aged 20-40) who still crave social status. Senior citizen immigrants stop caring at some point. You can find this consumer behavior in many groups that immigrate or migrate for work (Eastern Europeans, Nigerians, Asians). In the aggregate, they are still saving more money than their native-born counterparts and are still able to send money to relatives back home, but they are also rewarding themselves. Point is, immigrants still find a way to "flex" back home. In the old days, that was just building a big house near all the shacks. Now it is via social media.


Pool maintenance? First Gen Immigrant: You have pool? We buy inflatable pool from WalMart.Inflatable pool? The immigrant at the lower-end of the socioeconomic ladder would probably not even buy that inflatable pool in the first place. It would be frivolous to buy something new that one would only use a few days out of the year. Immigrants generally form informal social networks with other people from the same country or they live near extended family. Often, even the non-religious will join a church to accrue the social benefits. As such they can pool resources, barter services, exchange and borrow items, find jobs and cheap living accommodations.

Migrant workers who work in a rich country and send money back home are probably the ultimate money-saving hack. Since they are transient it makes no sense to accumulate material possessions. So they can live in a high-wage city, then share cramped quarters with their countrymen to offset the high-rent. Food can also be purchased in bulk to cut costs. Just make a trip to Frankfurt main station and you can see this immigrant communal mindset at work: old Sprinter vans with Romanian license plates, workers trying to get a ride back home or to their next job location in Western Europe, people picking up sending packages. The difficulty for the migrant is just figuring out how to safely and cheaply get their cash back home.

Turgid
04-24-21, 15:47
It is called the South African variant because it was identified and sequenced in South Africa, but it could have generated anywhere in the world. In the same way, the UK variant is called so because it was first identified and sequenced there, but it could have well be originated in France or anywhere else.And the Brazilian?

Pessimist
04-24-21, 17:48
The Indian guy was not living that frugally. He was just an example of cultural savings norms. The $15 K cost of living, I'm picturing first gen senior citizen immigrants. You had it right when you said "live for your kids. " That's the mindset of many first generation immigrants.

Your views come from a white collar American with kids. HOA, Private school, manicured lawns, etc. Those are not concerns of the poor working class, much less poor immigrants. That's the point of the whole conversation, different standards and habits if you grow up with different expectations.

Pool maintenance? First Gen Immigrant: You have pool? We buy inflatable pool from WalMart.

Fertilize manicured lawns? First Gen Immigrant: Dog shit on yard for free. Why you try to impress neighbor Karen?

Vacation? First Gen Immigrant: We drive 6 hour to cousin house in Florida.

Private school? First Gen Immigrant: Aye yah, so stupid, public school free, study harder.

Example finances of a senior citizen immigrant living in the American south:

No mortgage, no car payments, insurance via Medicaid..Keeping the personal aspect of mother aside; yes, private schools are and can be a wasteful expense, and that costs me a boatload; my wife and I came through public schools. Probably a mistake but we are doing this.

The rest of the items on my list: if someone already had millions, they would not live that frugal lifestyle, unless extremely miserly. Low six figures as unmarried or even $200 K as a married couple with possibly one or two kids living normally will not cut it to become a millionaire. Here millionaire is someone who thinks they are reasonably wealthy, not about strictly having one million which in most urban and semi urban settings in the US no longer qualifies as any real wealth. Yes, making $200 K as a couple, living a frugal life, can accumulate a million by the time they are in 60's if they stay disciplined.

Taxes alone subtract so much. If you did not buy a reasonable sized house and don't have deduction benefit, what else helps? Even w / 2 kids and just the standard deductions, might end up paying a good chunk to the tax man, especially if you also have a high state tax.

BTW, lawn maintenance, fertilizer, pool maintenance etc are not luxuries. If you buy a decent house, they come with it and then unless you maintain them well, your house value degrades fast; if your lawn has weed and spreads to your neighbor's, he will pick a fight. In my neighborhood, we do have a fair number of owners that do their own thing. They may be saving money, have more time, or enjoy doing it. I don't and I pay. But that work has to be done by you or some paid worker. You could live in a condo but that goes back to my point about if you and your spouse make decent money, wanting to live so frugally is not a natural instinct. Even if one of the two is inclined that way, the other has to agree which rarely happens. A woman who is making very nice money on her own will not put up w / that; it is not just keeping up w / Joneses, more a natural evolution of thinking and circumstances. You can't make these statements unless you have experienced the situation. Akin to some old lady that never had much of a sex drive claiming that mongering is unnecessary because no person needs this much sex.

Pessimist
04-24-21, 18:10
Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. Objective for many is to save $1 million or 30 times their yearly expenses, so let's say $33 K depending on desired lifestyle:

I have never been but I imagine places like Bali have sizable population of Caucasian millennials from rich countries trying to retire early. Here is a attractive, late 20's, early 30's, solo Caucasian female embracing a minimalist lifestyle as a van-lifer: https://youtu.be/ryPBLk90xEQ.These examples get played up in the media because they are not common and sound exotic. Many millennials are actually not in a super great situation. Many of them came into working age population in the 2008-12 time frame and did not find proper first jobs and there is a ton of research that shows that if you are unlucky to come into employee pool in a bad year, it does set you back. Of course there will be exceptions but that is the general trend.

Also, millennials chose to rent and not buy because they saw what happened with housing debacle; they also did not have as much trust in stocks as prior generations did. So, they did not benefit from the booming market of last decade, as much as they could have.

"Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. " -Yes, but they are not there yet, are they? When they get to that level and still live frugally, we can have a discussion. Even as they reach half that level, their temptations will kick in and mindset will change. "Ah, I have $500 K in the bank, let me buy this or that" -- it starts with small purchases, feels good, they rationalize it and before you know it new habits are formed.

Sirioja
04-24-21, 19:00
And the Brazilian?UK, south African and Brazilian were not born in continental Europe, when they did spread elsewhere before spreading and killing in our continent. And not sure vaccines are now efficient versus these mutants.

Mursenary
04-24-21, 21:00
Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. Objective for many is to save $1 million or 30 times their yearly expenses, so let's say $33 K depending on desired lifestyle:

I have never been but I imagine places like Bali have sizable population of Caucasian millennials from rich countries trying to retire early. Here is a attractive, late 20's, early 30's, solo Caucasian female embracing a minimalist lifestyle as a van-lifer: https://youtu.be/ryPBLk90xEQ.FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early.

There's a growing movement toward this mindset comprised by many strategies. Obviously you would have to shed expectations of owning a pool, having a lawn guy, a house cleaner, or living in a Karen-operated HOA community. Taking on a mortgage for a 3000 sq foot home would probably be a bad idea. Anything meant to Keep Up with Karen Jones would be prohibited.

Basically the point is to save, save, save, save until you reach a modest threshold principal for long term investing. Say when you reach something very doable like $150-200 K at a younger age, say by your early thirties. At that point, you can leave the "rat race," let your investment grow conservatively over the next two decades or so. Meanwhile, you live a minimalist life, earning only what you need to fund that lifestyle. No more looking to advancing your career, no more working towards raises, but also not taking on debt that traps you into payments which requires a higher income. The point is to avoid higher ticket items and expenses that traps you into the perpetual luxury item-monthly payment cycle. You spend on what truly makes you happy, for me $20 K per year on hookers actually makes me happy. $4 K per month on mortgage / tax payments on a giant home would bring no more happiness than a modest $1500/ mo mortgage on a 1800 sq foot home. That 8 year old luxury sedan still looks and runs great. Purchasing a $100 K AMG does not provide any more happiness. If those high ticket items pull more women, are those the high maintenance women that I want?

End goal is once your first investment reaches an acceptable amount, then you live off of the dividends or growth of your investments. And like McA mentions, retirement does not have to be in an expensive western country. If in 25 years, your now $ 2 million retirement balance pays a 5% dividend of 100 K per year, imagine the live that affords you if spending your golden years in Belize or Indonesia.

ShooBree
04-24-21, 23:22
Take a look at what is happening in India and see what happens when you let the number of cases go up uncontrollably.Take a look at France and see what's happens when you implement lockdowns.

Unemployment up, national debt way up, bankruptcies up, mental health problems up and COVID-19 related deaths way up.

That's what we call an epic failure.

I can't believe that some idiots want the Indians to starve to death.

Pessimist
04-25-21, 01:41
FIRE: Financial Independence, Retire Early.

There's a growing movement toward this mindset comprised by many strategies. Obviously you would have to shed expectations of owning a pool, having a lawn guy, a house cleaner, or living in a Karen-operated HOA community. Taking on a mortgage for a 3000 sq foot home would probably be a bad idea. Anything meant to Keep Up with Karen Jones would be prohibited.

Basically the point is to save, save, save, save until you reach a modest threshold principal for long term investing. Say when you reach something very doable like $150-200 K at a younger age, say by your early thirties. At that point, you can leave the "rat race," let your investment grow conservatively over the next two decades or so. Meanwhile, you live a minimalist life, earning only what you need to fund that lifestyle. No more looking to advancing your career, no more working towards raises, but also not taking on debt that traps you into payments which requires a higher income..Anything is *possible*, especially when talking at the individual level. At the population level stratified by groups, changes are more glacial.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/14/the-net-worth-of-the-average-american-family.html

As CNBC says:

"And here's the median net worth of USA Families based on the age of the head of household:

Age 35 or younger: $11,100.

Age 35-44: $59,800.

Age 45-54: $124,200.

Age 55-64: $187,300.

Age 65-74: $224,100.

Age 75 or older: $264, 800."

Another link:

https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/Files/PDFs/HFS/20160525/papers/Lerman-paper.pdf

This paper is a bit old but the data presented in various tables shows (a) married households and married households w / children tend to be 3 to 5 times richer than households headed by unmarried / singles. Home ownership follows a similar pattern.

All these media stories about FIRE etc feel good. In reality, when observing data accumulated over decades, you will see otherwise.

Anything is *possible*, especially when talking at the individual level. At the population level stratified by groups, changes are more glacial.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/14/the-net-worth-of-the-average-american-family.html

As CNBC says:

"And here's the median net worth of USA Families based on the age of the head of household:

Age 35 or younger: $11,100.

Age 35-44: $59,800.

Age 45-54: $124,200.

Age 55-64: $187,300.

Age 65-74: $224,100.

Age 75 or older: $264, 800."

Another link:

https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/Files/PDFs/HFS/20160525/papers/Lerman-paper.pdf

This paper is a bit old but the data presented in various tables shows (a) married households and married households w / children tend to be 3 to 5 times richer than households headed by unmarried / singles. Home ownership follows a similar pattern.

All these media stories about FIRE etc feel good. In reality, when observing data accumulated over decades, you will see otherwise.

Again, you can present exceptions, say "I am single, never married, I have $10 M" - fine. Good for you. But at a group level, trends are very obvious.

I have not done the research, I am not a social scientist, I can't say why numbers showcase the above trends. Perhaps singles lose motivation to keep making huge amounts of money over time, and seek ways to splurge and have fun. Having a family responsibility is a powerful motivation to cut down on personal fun and splurging and provide for others, and you tend to work more, maximize income and savings? Work longer?

And BTW, a million dollar house may look like splurging to you but it is actually a wealth transfer from the government to the rich through a large tax break. Likewise, 401 K limits keep going up every year another $500 or $1000 and that is a big break to the wealthier strata. Many people in the sub $100 K struggle to maximize their contributions, far from it.

And while you think from the perspective of a single man, which is appropriate for this forum, the average person in the country is more like married, or divorced (with alimony and child payment responsibilities). So, all those #s you present need to account for a higher level of expense.

You can present exceptions, say "I am single, never married, I have $10 M" - fine. Good for you. But at a group level, trends are very obvious.

I am not a social scientist, I can't say why numbers showcase the above trends. Perhaps singles lose motivation to keep making huge amounts of money over time, and seek ways to splurge and have fun. Having a family responsibility is a powerful motivation to cut down on personal spend / splurging and provide for others; you tend to work more, maximize income and savings? Work longer?

And BTW, a million dollar house may look like splurging to you but it is actually a wealth transfer from the government to the wealthy through a tax break for mortgage interest. Likewise, 401 K limits keep going up every year another $500 or $1000 and that is a big break to the wealthier strata. Many people in the sub $100 K struggle to maximize their contributions, far from it. Fidelity publishes median account balances and you can see that. It is also likely the larger company 401 K matches accrue to those who are already wealthy.

And while you think from the perspective of a single man which is appropriate for this forum, the average person in the country is more likely married or divorced (with support and child payment responsibilities). So, all those #s you present need to account for a higher level of expense.

The examples you present sound Utopian: very few work diligently to accumulate $200 K by the age of 32, leave it serenely in an investment account untouched till it grows to $2 M and then retire to a low cost location. In between life happens, unexpected expenses happen, job losses happen, other crap happens and they raid the $200 K piggy bank vowing to put it back as soon as they make the money back.

If it was so easy to accumulate wealth, all the data tables would be saying so and not such sorry net worth numbers at the median for every age group.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 03:32
Keeping the personal aspect of mother aside;

The rest of the items on my list: if someone already had millions, they would not live that frugal lifestyle, unless extremely miserly.

Low six figures as unmarried or even $200 K as a married couple with possibly one or two kids living normally will not cut it to become a millionaire. Here millionaire is someone who thinks they are reasonably wealthy, not about strictly having one million

BTW, lawn maintenance, fertilizer, pool maintenance etc are not luxuries. If you buy a decent house, they come with it and then unless you maintain them well, your house value degrades fast; if your lawn has weed and spreads to your neighbor's, he will pick a fight.

A woman who is making very nice money on her own will not put up w / that; it is not just keeping up w / Joneses, more a natural evolution of thinking and circumstances. You can't make these statements unless you have experienced the situation. .That mother example was not to be personal. It is just an example of numbers I know directly. There are likely hundreds of thousands of second generation immigrants who have first generation parents with much the same expense sheet.

No one is saying 1 million is wealthy. It is just a milestone point. Again, this conversation started with immigrants coming over to the US. And for someone whose family had nothing, $1 million is a big milestone that certainly signals that you are not living in poverty. That's all.

Yes living that frugal sounds miserable to you and I, but that's because we grew up with certain expectations. But we are talking about people who grew up shitting outside where cleaning your ass means spraying it with a garden hose. Hell that's how I cleaned my ass up til the age of 6. Different expectations for people from different backgrounds.

To understand, you have to change the lens in which you view life. Regarding people immigrating here to make 7 figures and old first generation retirees, why are we even talking about dating upper middle class white women and home property values? Pulling upper middle class women is not the top concern for immigrants. Home depreciation is not either. Hell, we had a lawn that was 50/50 dirt and grass. There were no trimming of hedges, just a chain linked fence keeping the neighbor's pit bull from chomping on a kid's neck. First gen immigrants are not exactly dating McKaylas and Britneys with Gucci sunglasses and Patagonia vests. Hell, even if he spent the cash, social class intangibles makes that not likely anyway.

As for 200 K having to live frugal to get to millions, that's not even necessary. Literally, a 30 year old married couple making 200 K annually only needs to save 10% per year invested at a modest 7% annual return, that alone is $2,600,000 by the time they are 65. And that's not factoring any rise in income whatsoever. That's millions by saving only 10%.

Are you saying that 10% savings is too much to ask for the 200 K couple? Does that even require frugality? If you are saying it does, that's quite a truckload of bull-fertilizer.

McAdonis
04-25-21, 03:48
These examples get played up in the media because they are not common and sound exotic. Many millennials are actually not in a super great situation. Many of them came into working age population in the 2008-12 time frame and did not find proper first jobs and there is a ton of research that shows that if you are unlucky to come into employee pool in a bad year, it does set you back. Of course there will be exceptions but that is the general trend.

Yes, but they are not there yet, are they? When they get to that level and still live frugally, we can have a discussion. Even as they reach half that level, their temptations will kick in and mindset will change. "Ah, I have $500 K in the bank, let me buy this or that" -- it starts with small purchases, feels good, they rationalize it and before you know it new habits are formed.Yes, due to the misfortune of being born at the wrong time, many millenials will not have reached their $1 M retirement target But working towards that target trains their "saving" muscle. And gives them an idea of what they can comfortably live on without feeling deprived. I believe the formula is to save at least 50 percent of their pre-tax income per year. So a married couple making a combined $200 K, should aim to save $100 K per year, which means trying to live on $45 K per year. Ultimately, they need to readjust to find a living standard that is sustainable over the long run: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jrose/2019/04/01/heres-how-much-you-make-on-200000-income-after-taxes-in-all-50-states.

It might take them 15-20 years to hit their retirement number. That is 15-20 years of practicing a minimalist lifestyle, and I suspect by that time those money-saving habits will have become second nature, and continuing the minimalist lifestyle even after they hit their retirement number should not be an issue. Ofc, some people will do FIRE for three years, and then return to consumerism. But that will happen with any lifestyle change. To me it is sort of like saying a large portion of obese people who diet, always gain 100 percent of their weight back. It's hard to predict what will change in 15-20 years: salary stagnation, stock market, higher taxes, inflation. Like any financial plan, the couple practicing FIRE would need to continually reassess.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 04:41
"Caucasians at $1 M, I could see living frugally. Seems like there are enough millennial (mostly Caucasians) attempting this for it to be classified as a movement. " -Yes, but they are not there yet, are they? When they get to that level and still live frugally, we can have a discussion. Even as they reach half that level, their temptations will kick in and mindset will change. "Ah, I have $500 K in the bank, let me buy this or that" -- it starts with small purchases, feels good, they rationalize it and before you know it new habits are formed.I'm a millennial. I have that much in the bank (well, not in cash just sitting and depreciating). I still live pretty frugal. Not van-life but a modest sub $200 K house in a blue collar neighborhood in a southern city with a car worth less than $10 K.

Small sample size, but two of the three people involved in this sub-thread meet these conditions yet live very frugal. You know anything about that yourself McA? How much is your rent again? Cheap bastard, LOL.

I think this string of posts where things like lawn maintenance expense is deemed anything more than a luxury just reinforces my opinion regarding the financial priorities of various socio-economic demographics. I'm not even saying that American-born people need to live like frugal immigrants. I'm just saying that the opportunities Americans are afforded makes it pretty easy for people with non-American lifestyle expectations to make a comfortable life for themselves. You don't have to live off of $15 K, that's just an old world mindset of previous generations, but their habits are passed on to their children and some frugality remains instinctual. I suspect that is one reason why many native-born Americans never become financially secure. Without the third world thirst but instilled with first world spending norms and expectations, they spend on things deemed necessities when to the really impoverished populations, those are still luxuries.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 05:17
RE: Not having first world habits and ability to delay instant gratification. This type of financial discipline can also be deployed by immigrants to save money for their luxury purchases. Eat nothing but instant noodles and have six roommates, then purchase the latest iPhone, or luxury watch, purse, used-BMW. So it can be both extremes of frugal and frivolous. Although this would usually be immigrants (aged 20-40) who still crave social status. Senior citizen immigrants stop caring at some point.Good point, some immigrant cultures can be very materialistic also. But just like black American culture, buying $150 Jordans is a drop in the bucket compared the cost of $2000 per month for putting your kid in the fancy day care.


Point is, immigrants still find a way to "flex" back home. In the old days, that was just building a big house near all the shacks. Now it is via social media.Funny how the reverse flex can be seen today with the millennial's minimalist, travel lifestyle Instagram account.


Migrant workers who work in a rich country and send money back home are probably the ultimate money-saving hack. Since they are transient it makes no sense to accumulate material possessions. So they can live in a high-wage city, then share cramped quarters with their countrymen to offset the high-rent. Food can also be purchased in bulk to cut costs. Just make a trip to Frankfurt main station and you can see this immigrant communal mindset at work: old Sprinter vans with Romanian license plates, workers trying to get a ride back home or to their next job location in Western Europe, people picking up sending packages. The difficulty for the migrant is just figuring out how to safely and cheaply get their cash back home.Migrants take that shit to a whole other level. Then again, I've recently spent a week sleeping in a Korean spa with a sleep room for $30 per day rather than opting for a $100/ night hotel room. #ContractWorkerLife.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 05:26
GT is reopening 19 May.So Swiss clubs already open. Austria in May. Are clubs in Spain already open? Czech? We're waiting on you Germany!

Are all you other vaccinated people enjoying that new third testicle? Maybe it's just a blood clot growing in my groin.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 05:33
UK, south African and Brazilian were not born in continental Europe, when they did spread elsewhere before spreading and killing in our continent. And not sure vaccines are now efficient versus these mutants.No one here can know this. Just like Rocky mentioned, the variants are only named after the locale from which they were discovered. Links to adequate efficacy of vaccines to those variants (although perhaps less efficacious) have already been pasted despite the poster's repeated claims suggesting otherwise.

Pistons
04-25-21, 06:04
Take a look at what is happening in India and see what happens when you let the number of cases go up uncontrollably.As was expected?

They tried restrictions in India at the start of this. But result was pretty much that more people died due to the restrictions than from covid. Just have a look at how crowded public transport is in India! People died walking 400 miles back to their village due to starvation because the busses weren't allowed to run. And they needed food because there were no basic income checks.

Pistons
04-25-21, 06:07
And the Brazilian?First analyzed by Mursenary and BigB in their high tech offices on top of the World Trade Center.

Pistons
04-25-21, 06:13
Take a look at France and see what's happens when you implement lockdowns.

Unemployment up, national debt way up, bankruptcies up, mental health problems up and COVID-19 related deaths way up.

That's what we call an epic failure.

I can't believe that some idiots want the Indians to starve to death.Most central banks around the world have already increased the money supply in advance of massive UBI checks in February, March and April. Next week Biden will be the first to usher it in in the USA. Not like that guy is anything more than a puppet. He can't even walk up stairs. I guess in Scandinavia we've had some sort of that for awhile. But it will be different with UBI. Most central banks are hiding their M1, M2 etc figures now. But you can find US and Japanese figures for example. Expect the same in France and India. And then it will calm down. Food production and logistics can easily be automated.

BigBuddy69
04-25-21, 08:20
BTW, lawn maintenance, fertilizer, pool maintenance etc are not luxuries. If you buy a decent house, they come with it and then unless you maintain them well, your house value degrades fast; if your lawn has weed and spreads to your neighbor's, he will pick a fight.That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.

PaulInZurich
04-25-21, 10:01
Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot.

Sirioja
04-25-21, 10:04
GT is reopening 19 May.They tell with FFP2 and negative test, but let s see reality for their reopening, when we can remember for Finca which never reopened or Artemis which did but later than told. They will reopen only when they will be allowed, and I don t think anything is planned yet for brothels in Austria. Massimo is our specialist on Austrian threads. Reopening was only on beginning of July on last Summer with no mutants, when we have 3 now. No mask nor test on enjoyable discovery when I won t drive for hospital atmosphere, when just waking up after operation, I say I want to go home, signing paper and leaving whatever pain I don't care about.

HammerTime96
04-25-21, 13:15
I can't believe that some idiots want the Indians to starve to death.The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!

Look at the National-Socialists and their "science" from the 1930's. Back then it was called "Eugenics," and the Germans referred to it as "Racial Hygiene" and just like in 2021, the Germans firmly believed it! They swallowed this new "science," hook, line and sinker! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics.

They even had real "doctors" and "studies" to support their absurd claims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele.

Then came the DDR and communism, and again "science" replaced common sense, because the "old-fashioned" laws of demand and supply were to be replaced with the "science" which was called "Central Planning. " We all know how good communism was for the world, just look at the bankrupt USSR, DDR, and look at the millions of deaths in Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Mao's concentration camps!

Now we're heading for the next "-ism" and again all the dumb people blindly follow the propaganda and the "science."

So we've had Das Kapital from Karl Marx, we've had Mein Kampf from Adolf-you-know-who, and now we have "Ze fourz Industrial Refoluzion" by Klaus Schwab!

Every time it's those fucking Germans, and every time the not-so-bright blindly follow it "because it's different this time."

Sirioja
04-25-21, 15:31
So Swiss clubs already open. Austria in May. Are clubs in Spain already open? Czech? We're waiting on you Germany!

Are all you other vaccinated people enjoying that new third testicle? Maybe it's just a blood clot growing in my groin.Nobody know yet for Austria, even I m pretty sure on Summer. If You believe what tell brothels. Like nobody know for Germany. 7 clubs are open in Switzerland but not ZH which is main Swiss brothel, some also in Spain. Vaccine won t be enough but also negative test and maybe also quarantine, when You can still spread when vaccined and not even sure efficient versus mutants.

Pistons
04-25-21, 16:04
That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.Depends where you live. Where I live, it's raining 2.5 meters a year in average, so no water shortages at all.

Also, with good desalination everywhere, it wouldn't be much of a problem. However, I do read about chloride supply issues, but I'm sure there are workarounds there too! As in not using such a terribly toxic solution that is. I instantly think of lazers, or lazer raptors!

Sirioja
04-25-21, 16:12
No one here can know this. Just like Rocky mentioned, the variants are only named after the locale from which they were discovered. Links to adequate efficacy of vaccines to those variants (although perhaps less efficacious) have already been pasted despite the poster's repeated claims suggesting otherwise.Even I know not exact science, but how could UK, south african and brazilian start in continental EU but didn t spread, but made UK and Brazil out of control before UK started to spread on continent only after Christmas and new year, when UK and London were out of control before. Never heard Johnson nor Bolzonaro telling they were sent by EU, when You can ask all Western EU citizens about killer gifts received. When You ask about German brothels, You should ask Germans, not few here of course, but all those who think about more than 80 000 deaths and I don t think opening brothels would be the best point to be elected, when Angela is trying, before retiring, to make federal government stronger for laws, versus landers. Why I think, even if we have very warm Summer, even Bavaria bought not allowed by EU sputnik, but doubtful for reopening before elections, and if Bavarian is elected, when he showed his actions to improve his lander safety, I m not sure he will support much this business where most money go abroad or in the dark for washing machine, with not much employment for Germans and bad image for Germany being a big brothel. Why do You come to Germany? For quality of life to spend holidays? I m honest: just for brothels and speed, nothing more and I would not spend my holidays in Germany when I go to Italy or Spain, as I go now to Switzerland also only for brothels, for sure not for speed, only exception being Verbier, only paying around 60 CHF for my 4 valleys ski pass starting at 11 am, enough time for 6 hours, when I can t walk anymore when I finish my extreme runs, just falling in car and leaving.

Rocky V
04-25-21, 16:13
The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!

Look at the National-Socialists and their "science" from the 1930's. Back then it was called "Eugenics," and the Germans referred to it as "Racial Hygiene" and just like in 2021, the Germans firmly believed it! They swallowed this new "science," hook, line and sinker! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics.

They even had real "doctors" and "studies" to support their absurd claims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele.

Then came the DDR and communism, and again "science" replaced common sense, because the "old-fashioned" laws of demand and supply were to be replaced with the "science" which was called "Central Planning. " We all know how good communism was for the world, just look at the bankrupt USSR, DDR, and look at the millions of deaths in Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Mao's concentration camps!

Now we're heading for the next "-ism" and again all the dumb people blindly follow the propaganda and the "science."

So we've had Das Kapital from Karl Marx, we've had Mein Kampf from Adolf-you-know-who, and now we have "Ze fourz Industrial Refoluzion" by Klaus Schwab!

Every time it's those fucking Germans, and every time the not-so-bright blindly follow it "because it's different this time."This must be sarcasm. I refuse to believe someone of adult age can be this whacked!

Rocky V
04-25-21, 16:17
As was expected?

People died walking 400 miles back to their village due to starvation because the busses weren't allowed to run. And they needed food because there were no basic income checks.Yes, this sounds believable. The world is full of people going on 400 miles walking trips back home, without planning to stop somewhere for rest and food.

Turgid
04-25-21, 16:52
The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!

Look at the National-Socialists and their "science" from the 1930's. Back then it was called "Eugenics," and the Germans referred to it as "Racial Hygiene" and just like in 2021, the Germans firmly believed it! They swallowed this new "science," hook, line and sinker! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics.

They even had real "doctors" and "studies" to support their absurd claims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele.

Then came the DDR and communism, and again "science" replaced common sense, because the "old-fashioned" laws of demand and supply were to be replaced with the "science" which was called "Central Planning. " We all know how good communism was for the world, just look at the bankrupt USSR, DDR, and look at the millions of deaths in Stalin's, Pol Pot's and Mao's concentration camps!

Now we're heading for the next "-ism" and again all the dumb people blindly follow the propaganda and the "science."

So we've had Das Kapital from Karl Marx, we've had Mein Kampf from Adolf-you-know-who, and now we have "Ze fourz Industrial Refoluzion" by Klaus Schwab!

Every time it's those fucking Germans, and every time the not-so-bright blindly follow it "because it's different this time."All well and good but have you been to the US recently? Capitalism seems to be going downhill real fast and China seems to be doing ok. A scholarly analysis of this would be appreciated.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 16:57
Anything is *possible*, especially when talking at the individual level. At the population level stratified by groups, changes are moreConversation started with "immigrants, easy to get to 7 figures. "

Data resulting from American bad habits with luxury spending and credit culture does not changed that saving 10-20% of 100 K-200 K is pretty easy for people without bad American spending habits.

Just because the average American doesn't do it, doesn't mean it is hard. The Average American also can't even point to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, or. Vietnam on a map (nations we've spent decades in military conflict). I don't think that means it is a hard task.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6289667/The-U-S-vs-Europeans-interactive-test-shows-Americans-really-ARENT-good-geography.html

Mursenary
04-25-21, 17:01
The Globalist Technocratic Fascists, the INTER-National-Socialists want that! "Impfen macht Frei" is their motto, and just like 80 years ago, it's a big lie!The sky is falling. Everyone to the bomb shelter.

ExpatLover
04-25-21, 17:14
They tell with FFP2 and negative test, but let s see reality for their reopening, when we can remember for Finca which never reopened or Artemis which did but later than told. They will reopen only when they will be allowed, and I don t think anything is planned yet for brothels in Austria. Massimo is our specialist on Austrian threads. Reopening was only on beginning of July on last Summer with no mutants, when we have 3 now. No mask nor test on enjoyable discovery when I won t drive for hospital atmosphere, when just waking up after operation, I say I want to go home, signing paper and leaving whatever pain I don't care about.Even with mask, negative test, vaccine, all this will change what? It is just impossible to stay safe with a prostitute they have too many risky contacts, even the girl is vaccinated, she will be able to transmit the covid, and what about the protection from the new variants? I will not meet a prostitute until the things have cool down strongly, I don t want to get sick and taking the risk of a long covid. One of my daughters friends got the covid 6 months back in Paris, she is 32, no smoking, no drinking, extremely active but still have some minor symptoms like 1 day fever, feeling tired for 1 or 2 days.

ShooBree
04-25-21, 17:19
Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot.Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot by making such childish and stupid ad hominem attacks.

Pessimist
04-25-21, 17:24
That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.There are many who mow their own lawn here too. Not everyone has private pools but many do. And yes, mindsets, lifestyles, safety nets, etc. Are different -- nothing wrong with that. Whatever works for a given individual / family. No reason to pass judgements.

Pessimist
04-25-21, 17:37
That mother example was not to be personal. It is just an example of numbers I know directly. There are likely hundreds of thousands of second generation immigrants who have first generation parents with much the same expense sheet.

No one is saying 1 million is wealthy. It is just a milestone point. Again, this conversation started with immigrants coming over to the US. And for someone whose family had nothing, $1 million is a big milestone that certainly signals that you are not living in poverty. That's all.

Yes living that frugal sounds miserable to you and I, but that's because we grew up with certain expectations. But we are talking about people who grew up shitting outside where cleaning your ass means spraying it with a garden hose. Hell that's how I cleaned my ass up til the age of 6. Different expectations for people from different backgrounds.

To understand, you have to change the lens in which you view life. Regarding people immigrating here to make 7 figures and old first generation retirees, why are we even talking about dating upper middle class white women and home property values? Pulling upper middle class women is not the top concern for immigrants. Home depreciation is not either. Hell, we had a lawn that was 50/50 dirt and grass. There were no trimming of hedges, just a chain linked fence keeping the neighbor's pit bull from chomping on a kid's neck. First gen immigrants are not exactly dating McKaylas and Britneys with Gucci sunglasses and Patagonia vests. Hell, even if he spent the cash, social class intangibles makes that not likely anyway..We are digressing into strange tunnels here.

Your original statement was that it was easy to become wealthy in a generation or half gen. I can't bother to find the exact words but that was the gist of it.

That actually implies that the American dream is alive and well. My claim is that it is not. And even if the dream was alive it was always difficult to move into wealth brackets in a generation and doubly more so these days.

The examples I gave with regards to lawn and fertilizers are just personal examples -- the broader point is that as income and wealth levels move up, normal people spend more. The concept of consumer spend being tied to wealth is well researched and accepted by economists. For a long time, Fed did not take into account stock market levels in setting their policy decisions but of late, they are very cognizant of this. They used to look at unemployment rates, wages / hour, hours worked etc and not as much on wealth levels, but now there is broad recognition that societal wealth impacts spending.

So, my point was that any couple, whether first gen immigrants or those trace to Mayflower, as their wealth increases and their self assessment of their own financial security increases, they begin spending more. You can look down on them as Karens or what have you (again and again, you seem fine with dissing and dispensing your own brand of discrimination and ridicule while still invoking the virtues of woke), but that is just the societal norm. And your personal example of having a million bucks in the bank and still living in frugality is just an outlier. The links I included clearly show that wealth is strongly correlated to marital status in the US.

The increased propensity to spend as their incomes and wealth goes up is a natural phenomenon and that acts as a self imposed break in saving more. Yes, they can sock away 10%, yes, they can get to a million by the age of 65 but they won't even think they are wealthy, far from it.

A lot of educated working professionals (especially if both spouses work and make good money) find themselves in upper brackets of income levels by the age of 40. Here is one link:

https://dqydj.com/top-one-percent-united-states/

$530 K for a couple and $360 K for a single person takes them to the top 1% income wise. But if they get there, they will find that it is much much tougher to accumulate the $11 M to make it to the 1% net worth bracket. I think the churn in the top 1% or top 10% of the income bracket is much higher than the churn in the top 1% net worth bracket, which still has a lot of old money.

You can give all kinds of hypothetical examples but numbers are numbers. If people making 200 grand or 150 grand could easily vault into wealth levels, it would show up in numbers.

BTW, these anecdotal examples of immigrants are misleading, even if you find personal connections there. My observation is that there are vast disparities between them. The Korean, Chinese, Indian immigrant who comes to the US to study Computer Science at Georgia Tech or Austin, goes back to native land to bring an equally qualified spouse will surely do well in life even if that guy legitimately came here with $100 in pocket. That $100 is meaningless because he came equipped with a completed degree in CS which is worth millions in NPV already. The taxi driver in NYC (before Uber) or the stowaway smuggled and doing bonded labor in Chinese restaurants do not find any such upwards mobility regardless of how much they save. And in any case, in a country of 330 million, focusing on just a few million immigrant outliers is not sensible.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 17:41
And BTW, a million dollar house may look like splurging to you but it is actually a wealth transfer from the government to the rich through a large tax break. Likewise, 401 K limits keep going up every year another $500 or $1000 and that is a big break to the wealthier strata. Many people in the sub $100 K struggle to maximize their contributions, far from it.
A mortgage tax break is just a write off for the interest amount you owe isn't it? It just means the interest portion of your debt is untaxed. You're still paying more in interest than the taxes you save, hence net negative. I fail to see how that is a wealth transfer.

Pessimist
04-25-21, 17:46
Yes, due to the misfortune of being born at the wrong time, many millenials will not have reached their $1 M retirement target But working towards that target trains their "saving" muscle. And gives them an idea of what they can comfortably live on without feeling deprived. I believe the formula is to save at least 50 percent of their pre-tax income per year. So a married couple making a combined $200 K, should aim to save $100 K per year, which means trying to live on $45 K per year. Ultimately, they need to readjust to find a living standard that is sustainable over the long run: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jrose/2019/04/01/heres-how-much-you-make-on-200000-income-after-taxes-in-all-50-states.

It might take them 15-20 years to hit their retirement number. That is 15-20 years of practicing a minimalist lifestyle, and I suspect by that time those money-saving habits will have become second nature, and continuing the minimalist lifestyle even after they hit their retirement number should not be an issue. Ofc, some people will do FIRE for three years, and then return to consumerism. But that will happen with any lifestyle change. To me it is sort of like saying a large portion of obese people who diet, always gain 100 percent of their weight back. It's hard to predict what will change in 15-20 years: salary stagnation, stock market, higher taxes, inflation. Like any financial plan, the couple practicing FIRE would need to continually reassess.There is some misfortune in being born at the wrong time but they also had the super great fortune to be born in a booming time when the US stock market had a 40 year bull run and unemployment never went into double figures with the exception of a few months in 2009. Compared to their EU counterparts especially in Spain, Italy and other places, American millennials don't have that much to complain about.

No, the misfortune is that they fixated on the wrong lessons of housing bubble and stock market debacles and reduced their risk tolerance. Loss aversion is normal to many investors particularly after a big blow up but millennials seemed to have it in excess. As a result, they did not benefit as much as they could have had; no one knows the future, but it is probably unlikely that the next 20 to 30 years will be as kind as the last 40 have been.

Pistons
04-25-21, 21:57
All well and good but have you been to the US recently? Capitalism seems to be going downhill real fast and China seems to be doing ok. A scholarly analysis of this would be appreciated.At least capitalism in its old form.

Squeezed between global warming, covid-19 and increased automation due to IT and AI technology, old capitalism is pretty much done with!

It's game over. And there are plenty of good reasons for stealing us that way also.

Oil supply is just the start of a whole bunch of reasons why. Planned obsolescence as an intrinsic part of capitalism in a finite world is perhaps even more of a reason. And then you have wars, inequality (and thus racism), etc etc. All side effects to old capitalism.

Mursenary
04-25-21, 21:59
That's an American way of thinking. In Europe, pools are absolutely not the norm. Lawn maintenance is done by the owner. By the way, private pools everywhere are also a very good way to strain the planet even more.Believe me, that's not universally American. Most Americans don't have pools, lawn guys, and house cleaners. Throwing random guesses but those luxuries are enjoyed by 10% at best.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 00:58
Your original statement was that it was easy to become wealthy in a generation or half gen. I can't bother to find the exact words but that was the gist of it.Actual Statement:


The focus on assets is fine, but that's actually the easiest part which can be built in a single generation; in the US, it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade.
I just said that asset acquisition is still relatively easy in the United States using the example of an immigrant going from $0 to seven figure net worth.

You took it upon yourself to impose the superfluous definitions of wealthy, true wealth, top 1%, dating white women, and the subsequent yada yada yada of assumptions.

Boom.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 01:01
Thank you for confirming that you yourself agree that you are an idiot by making such childish and stupid ad hominem attacks.Is this a case of trolling or lack of self awareness? Either way, boring redundant, and unoriginal.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 01:04
Even I know not exact science, but how could UK, south african and brazilian start in continental EU but didn t spread, but made UK and Brazil out of control before UK started to spread on continent only after Christmas and new year, when UK and London were out of control before. Never heard Johnson nor Bolzonaro telling they were sent by EU, whe\Word of advice, people stop reading your post after 3 lines or so. It's bad writing form, even if written in French. You can help by using correct punctuation or paragraphs. Fix it and maybe I'll respond.

Pessimist
04-26-21, 01:04
A mortgage tax break is just a write off for the interest amount you owe isn't it? It just means the interest portion of your debt is untaxed. You're still paying more in interest than the taxes you save, hence net negative. I fail to see how that is a wealth transfer.Because it lowers your effective borrowing rate. And the higher income bracket people are borrowing larger amounts at below market effective rates. On average, over the long term, housing prices rise in tandem w / nominal GDP rates (real GDP + inflation) and if you are able to buy an asset that appreciates at that rate and pay for it w / below the market borrow rate, it is a wealth transfer especially if that is also your primary residence. The larger the house, the more amount you borrow at a tax advantaged rate.

The catch is to not borrow an amount that you can't keep making the payments on and go into foreclosure. But for the ones who can afford to, there is no question it is a nice little scheme.

Clodius1
04-26-21, 01:29
Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.html

Pistons
04-26-21, 01:45
These examples get played up in the media because they are not common and sound exotic. Of course you are right in your 5 or so latest posts. But discussing with people like the nurse won't get you anywhere. He only reads headlines, and has 0 IQ when it comes to financials and money.

Pistons
04-26-21, 01:49
Yes, this sounds believable. The world is full of people going on 400 miles walking trips back home, without planning to stop somewhere for rest and food.https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/12-year-old-walks-150-km-from-telangana-to-her-chhattisgarh-home-dies-of-exhaustion-1669297-2020-04-21

https://www.news18.com/news/india/the-last-walk-migrant-worker-dies-after-walking-for-miles-to-reach-home-in-tamil-nadu-amid-lockdown-2563719.html

I'm so tired here on ISG sometimes discussing. So many in here are completely lost and have zero clue as to even make a simple Google search. And absolutely no awareness when it comes to analytics given the scales of unregistered data.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 01:55
This must be sarcasm. I refuse to believe someone of adult age can be this whacked!Politically motivated. Straight political. His positions consistently and predictably aligns with the same political leaning, without deviation.

Sirioja
04-26-21, 03:49
Even with mask, negative test, vaccine, all this will change what? It is just impossible to stay safe with a prostitute they have too many risky contacts, even the girl is vaccinated, she will be able to transmit the covid, and what about the protection from the new variants? I will not meet a prostitute until the things have cool down strongly, I don t want to get sick and taking the risk of a long covid. One of my daughters friends got the covid 6 months back in Paris, she is 32, no smoking, no drinking, extremely active but still have some minor symptoms like 1 day fever, feeling tired for 1 or 2 days.Many visits in Austria, Switzerland and Germany on reopening on 2020 and except pleasure with some beauties, I didn't feel anything else. If FFP2 and negative test, I won't drive for hospital atmosphere, but if only my private data to give, then no problem for me to go to work hard to find a beauty for my standards, but I also need foods to enjoy sex, I don't dream good when hungry.

ShooBree
04-26-21, 04:30
Is this a case of trolling or lack of self awareness? Either way, boring redundant, and unoriginal.Hahahah, my little stalker just can't resist the urge to comment every post I make on this site. It's pathetic to see how you got no life, intelligence, humor or self awareness at all. You're 40 years old and still act like a little child.

Anyways, get a friend, a job and stop trolling this site.

Sirioja
04-26-21, 04:36
Vaccine labo business: EU bought AZ 2 € per dose, maybe why we received later, but no rush for it now. Pfizer sold 22 € per dose to Israel, 16 € to US and 15,5 € to EU, maybe why also arrived later in EU. When Pfizer tell now for third dose and yearly after for mutants, they are selling a very good business.

Covid made private swimming pools becoming a good business in France, now number 3 in the world for such small country, kind of standard for level of life.

Sirioja
04-26-21, 04:47
Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.htmlMaybe with negative test and quarantine. Let's wait, when EU situation need to protect, when new Indian mutant now. Vaccined don't mean not spreading.

HammerTime96
04-26-21, 10:00
This must be sarcasm. I refuse to believe someone of adult age can be this whacked!It's hard to debate with the sad facts of history, unless your own brain is whacked! LOL!

Look at the links I posted and do some research of your own.

HammerTime96
04-26-21, 10:06
The sky is falling. Everyone to the bomb shelter.Yes, this is what people should have done when Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Lot came to power. Good to see that you're finally starting to realize the stupidity of your socio-economic engineering ideology!

Now hurry and go get your "Zyklon be vaccine!

HammerTime96
04-26-21, 10:14
Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.htmlMaybe you'll be allowed in the EU, but with the new Lockdown Laws most things in Germany (especially FKK clubs) will be closed.


Even with mask, negative test, vaccine, all this will change what? It is just impossible to stay safe with a prostitute they have too many risky contacts, even the girl is vaccinated, she will be able to transmit the covid, and what about the protection from the new variants?Exactly, and that's why FKK clubs will most probably not be opening in 2021, despite all the lies and misinformation from the CCP trolls on this forum!


One of my daughters friends got the covid 6 months back in Paris, she is 32, no smoking, no drinking, extremely active but still have some minor symptoms like 1 day fever, feeling tired for 1 or 2 days.Fever for 1 whole day! Tired for 1-2 whole days! Wow! She's lucky she didn't die! How did I ever survive a pre-Covd1984 flu when I was feeling miserable for 1 week!? / sarc.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 12:37
Hahahah, my little stalker just can't resist the urge to comment every post I make on this site. It's pathetic to see how you got no life, intelligence, humor or self awareness at all. You're 40 years old and still act like a little child.

Anyways, get a friend, a job and stop trolling this site.Yawn. Zero style points. Boring.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 12:43
Of course you are right in your 5 or so latest posts. But discussing with people like the nurse won't get you anywhere. He only reads headlines, and has 0 IQ when it comes to financials and money.Hey,

Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?

Fag.

ExpatLover
04-26-21, 13:42
Light at the end of the tunnel for Amerikaner mongers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9510375/Vaccinated-American-tourists-allowed-visit-Europe-summer.htmlBetter to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.

Turgid
04-26-21, 13:55
I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.html

BigBuddy69
04-26-21, 14:01
Hey,

Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?

Fag.Wow that's so cute. Do you follow her on Instagram? Will you both wear cat ears?

Mursenary
04-26-21, 14:10
I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.htmlBefore the conspiracy quacks get their moist panties bunched up:

If actually reading the article instead of the controversial headline, not just the vaccinated:

European Union countries agreed this month to launch COVID-19 travel passes that would permit people who have been vaccinated against the disease, recovered from an infection or have tested negative to travel more easily..

Do your part, fight misinformation.

Mursenary
04-26-21, 14:27
Yes, this is what people should have done when Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Lot came to power. Good to see that you're finally starting to realize the stupidity of your socio-economic engineering ideology!

Now hurry and go get your "Zyklon be vaccine!Too late. Got it in December. The vaccine-induced third testicle is now turning 5 months old. Just in time for communist supreme leader to take the throne. Commence the construction of unnvacinnated concentration camps.

Pessimist
04-26-21, 15:00
Conversation started with "immigrants, easy to get to 7 figures. "

Data resulting from American bad habits with luxury spending and credit culture does not changed that saving 10-20% of 100 K-200 K is pretty easy for people without bad American spending habits.

Just because the average American doesn't do it, doesn't mean it is hard. The Average American also can't even point to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, or. Vietnam on a map (nations we've spent decades in military conflict). I don't think that means it is a hard task.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6289667/The-U-S-vs-Europeans-interactive-test-shows-Americans-really-ARENT-good-geography.htmlThe map argument is flawed. Most Americans do not care very much for foreign countries, languages, cultures, etc. Our dominance in the economic sphere post WW2 meant that Americans' indifference to the rest of the world did not hurt them very much in their personal finances. I notice that even Europeans know a ton more about geography, culture, etc of developing countries and of course they had historical colonial ties to them.

On the other hand, almost all Americans would love to have higher net worth if they could. If they could have more self control, more financial discipline, more annual comps, they would but they don't.

A more appropriate analogy* is that most Americans would love to lose weight but can't. You can sit there and argue that losing weight is easy, staying in shape is easy but at the population level, people are getting fatter in the US and probably in most other countries.

I only brought up 1% in the context of how achieving higher annual income for a few years does not translate into higher net worth. One is an income statement issue, the other is a balance sheet issue. Achieving wealth is a marathon game while getting a fast paycheck is more akin to a sprint. The churn in the wealth ranks is slower than in annual salary ranks. For some reason, you can't seem to grasp this.

Your persistent argument that it is "easy" is not shown in any numbers. A million bucks puts a household in the top 6% of the country. You claim something that is achieved by just 6% of the country is "easy". And your timeframe keeps changing; sometimes it is decades (I. E. Accumulate $200 K in 401 K by 30's and watch it grow to a million by 60's), sometimes it is less than a decade. If you have any stats and convincing / genuine research that shows a meaningful percent of population level households are moving from nothing to millionaire status in less than a decade, you should share.

BTW, a million in 401 K is not a million. It is a tax deferred account. If you withdraw it before reaching 59 1/2, there are penalties and of course taxes to be paid in accordance to your tax bracket. When I compute my own net worth, I give a 25% to 30% haircut to my 401 K balance as I assume that will cover any future taxes I will have to pay.

I did not say anything about dating white women but did start the thread by taking a nasty dig w. r. T. Fucking white prostitutes out of anger; I admit it was nasty but you do have a history of having anger attacks against Whites. Even in the last 2 days, we keep seeing this. I took one potshot at European Moslems after a terrorist attack but your anger against whites appears more deep seated and innate.

ExpatLover
04-26-21, 16:02
I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.htmlI think it is too early, if in the coming months even vaccinated people get sick from the mutants specially the Indian one or even not sick but able to transmit the sick to others probably the things will change. Today only few tools are available for the leaders, mass lockdown, severe quarantine, drastic reductions of the travels which are the big driver for the spreading of the covid but all this is not acceptable on a long run or forcing the people to vaccinate even nobody knows today the potential side effects or the efficiency of the vaccines. Make the vaccinated feel they are a kind of VIP, all this will need some time to be really validated.

ShooBree
04-26-21, 16:59
Yawn. Zero style points. Boring.Hahah, you're just a pathetic little troll living in his mother's basement.

Maybe you should try to get a job instead of stalking me all the time?

Pistons
04-26-21, 17:29
Hey,

Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?

Fag.That must have been dream in your head, because she never was here.

Rocky V
04-26-21, 18:55
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/12-year-old-walks-150-km-from-telangana-to-her-chhattisgarh-home-dies-of-exhaustion-1669297-2020-04-21

https://www.news18.com/news/india/the-last-walk-migrant-worker-dies-after-walking-for-miles-to-reach-home-in-tamil-nadu-amid-lockdown-2563719.html

I'm so tired here on ISG sometimes discussing. So many in here are completely lost and have zero clue as to even make a simple Google search. And absolutely no awareness when it comes to analytics given the scales of unregistered data.Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.

Rocky V
04-26-21, 19:03
It's hard to debate with the sad facts of history, unless your own brain is whacked! LOL!

Look at the links I posted and do some research of your own.It's not the links you posted but your parallels with Nazism that is insulting and disrespectful to all those who suffered from those horrible times (including one of my ancestors). It's also confusing as Trump supporters go hand-in-hand with racist fascist groups, which the mushroom-dick-shape-tiny-hands former president even refused to condemn openly: 'Stand back and Stand by'!

Mursenary
04-26-21, 19:42
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2554330&viewfull=1#post2554330

Now, after settling my actual words (see above), I would be happy to tackle your other point of the American Dream.


Your original statement was that it was easy to become wealthy in a generation or half gen. I can't bother to find the exact words but that was the gist of it.

That actually implies that the American dream is alive and well. My claim is that it is not. And even if the dream was alive it was always difficult to move into wealth brackets in a generation and doubly more so these days.

$530 K for a couple and $360 K for a single person takes them to the top 1% income wise. But if they get there, they will find that it is much much tougher to accumulate the $11 M to make it to the 1% net worth bracket. I think the churn in the top 1% or top 10% of the income bracket is much higher than the churn in the top 1% net worth bracket, which still has a lot of old money.

You can give all kinds of hypothetical examples but numbers are numbers. If people making 200 grand or 150 grand could easily vault into wealth levels, it would show up in numbers.Is the American Dream alive? That depends on your definition of American dream. Is the American dream to vault into the top 1%? Or even top 10%? If so, I agree that it is not very easy, native-born, immigrant, indentured servant, whatever. Obtaining elite levels of wealth is pretty hard for anyone.

I however, don't think that is the "American Dream" for most people. While having more wealth and assets than you know what to do with would be nice, most people just want to be comfortable without having to worry much about the future.


So, my point was that any couple, whether first gen immigrants or those trace to Mayflower, as their wealth increases and their self assessment of their own financial security increases, they begin spending more. You can look down on them as Karens or what have you (again and again, you seem fine with dissing and dispensing your own brand of discrimination and ridicule while still invoking the virtues of woke), but that is just the societal norm. And your personal example of having a million bucks in the bank and still living in frugality is just an outlier.


BTW, these anecdotal examples of immigrants are misleading, even if you find personal connections there. My observation is that there are vast disparities between them. The Korean, Chinese, Indian immigrant who comes to the US to study Computer Science at Georgia Tech or Austin, goes back to native land to bring an equally qualified spouse will surely do well in life even if that guy legitimately came here with $100 in pocket. That $100 is meaningless because he came equipped with a completed degree in CS which is worth millions in NPV already. The taxi driver in NYC (before Uber) or the stowaway smuggled and doing bonded labor in Chinese restaurants do not find any such upwards mobility regardless of how much they save. And in any case, in a country of 330 million, focusing on just a few million immigrant outliers is not sensible.Yes I am an outlier, sort of. While I am technically a first generation immigrant, I immigrated pretty early, early enough to enjoy the benefits of American resources and the upward mobility it provides. Many of my second generation peers, who benefited from the sacrifice of their first gen parents, are likely doing the same if not better than me. They might still not make up the majority, but I'd dare say, make up a substantial number more representative than my outlier case. Not that I am even doing all that well compared to many of them.

Some differences exist in culture of origin, say Mexican immigrants coming over to be laborers with less entrepreneurial intent. But how many businesses are opened by Asian immigrants? How much of that is hoarded as cash or sent to their home countries, never even to be reported as net worth? Alternatively, Western European immigrants more often come over with professional backgrounds; however, they seem to retain more old world frugality and credit-aversion than native-born Americans. You can see easily see the trend of various cultures in Table 1 of the following article:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g5rEu5Dzw6kq_OiuZOnve0kyA0xCl4Qt/view?usp=sharing

European immigrants put the native-born American to shame. Chinese, Indian, and Japanese immigrants also outperform. Some cultures however lag behind, say Cubans, Mexicans, Islanders. The Vietnamese presents a whole other set of variables with the shady practices and money laundering practices. But even accounting for those people, how many of them are much better off financially by immigrating to the United States?

While you certainly have a point that becoming part of the elite class of wealth is extremely difficult, I vehemently disagree that the American dream is dead. But perhaps that depends on your definition of the American Dream. Being in the top 1% is certainly not one of mine and I doubt is the realistic goal of most people.

Sirioja
04-26-21, 20:35
Hey,

Remember that time you invited me to go to Bergen, Norway and stay at your place in order to go to a Ariana Grande concert?

Fag.Brothels friends among jealousy leading to bullshits, so laughable, when I prefer so much people I meet in my mountains, because there, only passion, no bullshits because you would be ridiculous, you are able or not.

Sirioja
04-26-21, 21:09
I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.htmlFor sure, EU need tourism, but when EU is not able yet to control about at least 3 mutants and worrying Indian killer now, so EU have to protect better and each country can decide for its own safety, like Bavarian closed borders. Not in EU, but ZH land for everything for money, closed since 6 months, and when famous Globe knows how to deal with money, could be called how to use corruption in Romania, but famous Globe, number 1 in Switzerland, is closed since beginning of December, when only closed for 3 months on first wave, showing now is much more complicated than under original Chinese from pangolins. Negative test and quarantine seem minimum to protect our safety.

Mursenary
04-27-21, 01:17
Playing the game is the most important factor for the middle 80 percent of the world's people. It's pretty damn important for most of the human race; reality, facts. The focus on assets is fine, but that's actually the easiest part which can be built in a single generation; in the US, it's still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to 7 figure net worth in half a lifetime. Hell, you can do it in less than a decade..I see that you prefer to continue on the path of native-born Americans and wealth. Point remains, this started with my original quote stating that it is still relatively easy to go from $0 immigrant to seven figures in support of the opportunities that America provides. Key words immigrants and relatively. Relative to what? Logically, relative to their home countries. Is that fact being contested?

I'll keep posting my original statement as a reminder that all following discussions are not part of my original contested assertion until proven otherwise, so long as this mini thread continues. It's still better than the political tunnel driven and quasi science, superficial knowledge signaling seen by the same weirdo cast.


The map argument is flawed. Most Americans do not care very much for foreign countries, languages, cultures, etc. Our dominance in the economic sphere post WW2 meant that Americans' indifference to the rest of the world did not hurt them very much in their personal finances. I notice that even Europeans know a ton more about geography, culture, etc of developing countries and of course they had historical colonial ties to them.This is a minor side point but I'll bite. Your reasoning sounds like a weak excuse for American ignorance. My original post pointed to the fact that less than 50% of Americans can point to Iran, Afghanistan, and Iraq on a map. The fact that we have been fighting in wars in those countries for the past four decades should bring some geographic familiarity. I'm thinking that the economic powerhouse excuse is a load of shit. But if you're willing to excuse it, go ahead, lower your bar for our countrymen.


On the other hand, almost all Americans would love to have higher net worth if they could. If they could have more self control, more financial discipline, more annual comps, they would but they don't.

A more appropriate analogy* is that most Americans would love to lose weight but can't. You can sit there and argue that losing weight is easy, staying in shape is easy but at the population level, people are getting fatter in the US and probably in most other countries.

Your persistent argument that it is "easy" is not shown in any numbers. A million bucks puts a household in the top 6% of the country. You claim something that is achieved by just 6% of the country is "easy". And your timeframe keeps changing; sometimes it is decades (I. E. Accumulate $200 K in 401 K by 30's and watch it grow to a million by 60's), sometimes it is less than a decade. If you have any stats and convincing / genuine research that shows a meaningful percent of population level households are moving from nothing to millionaire status in less than a decade, you should share.You are certainly correct with your statistics of median net worth. There is no need for me to produce countering numbers as I also believe them to be true. The average American net worth is much less than what they should be if the goal is to acquire seven digits worth of assets.

But is that your measure of easy? That the average person does it?

Point is, easy is subjective. I think it is easy. Apparently you don't. You associate easy to mean average people will do it. I think average people are lazy. Hold yourself to whatever standard you choose for easy.

Whatever your opinion, I assume you would agree that it is easy compared to an immigrant's home country. Please tell me if I assumed wrong.


I only brought up 1% in the context of how achieving higher annual income for a few years does not translate into higher net worth. One is an income statement issue, the other is a balance sheet issue. Achieving wealth is a marathon game while getting a fast paycheck is more akin to a sprint. The churn in the wealth ranks is slower than in annual salary ranks. For some reason, you can't seem to grasp this.
Okay? I get that just fine. Not sure the point of that but sure, wealth and income are different things, agreed.


BTW, a million in 401 K is not a million. It is a tax deferred account. If you withdraw it before reaching 59 1/2, there are penalties and of course taxes to be paid in accordance to your tax bracket. When I compute my own net worth, I give a 25% to 30% haircut to my 401 K balance as I assume that will cover any future taxes I will have to pay.401 Ks just like IRAs come in 2 forms, taxed and taxed deferred, just like traditional and Roth IRAs. With Taxed 401 Ks you pay the income tax for your current year and pay ZERO dollars when you withdraw, minus the employer contribution which is taxed. You come from a higher tax bracket, and similar to your other points, you make your points based on what you know. You are likely making more now than you would withdraw in your retirement, hence your instinct to only consider tax deferred 401 K accounts. To others making less now, they would benefit more from the tax breaks in their golden years, assuming that they withdraw more in retirement then than they are making now.


I did not say anything about dating white women but did start the thread by taking a nasty dig w. r. T.
No Caucasian woman would put up living on $15 K annual total if you have millions in the bank. None that I know of. And as I said, it does not matter if they already own their house -- there are still fixed expenses (Unless they bought a small studio apartment which was paid off and taxes / insurance etc are miniscule).Again, the record shows otherwise. Or did you mean something else when you said "no Caucasian woman would put up living on 15 K. Please please please correct me if I'm wrong. Perhaps you just brought up Caucasian women randomly just for the hell of it.


Fucking white prostitutes out of anger; Considering your recent quoting errors, I'd like to see where I said that? Perhaps you are lumping all Asians together and lumping my quotes in with Mr. Ho's punish-a-ho posts?


I admit it was nasty but you do have a history of having anger attacks against Whites. Even in the last 2 days, we keep seeing this. I took one potshot at European Moslems after a terrorist attack but your anger against whites appears more deep seated and innate.Again, I question the validity of your claim. I cross reference my posts with the word "white" and "Caucasian. " I did not see any blasphemous comments towards white people. Sure I routinely talk shit about backwards rednecks and native-born Americans being lazy. Is that what hit close to home?

I even saw posts that denigrated the liberal media for unfairly calling white people the "oppressor" during last summers riots.

There was that one post that questioned if you were a dorky, old white guy. If that is the source of vitriol, my sincerest apologies.

Mursenary
04-27-21, 01:22
Brothels friends among jealousy leading to bullshits, so laughable, when I prefer so much people I meet in my mountains, because there, only passion, no bullshits because you would be ridiculous, you are able or not.You do realize that there are people on this forum who met in brothels and remain real friends years later right? Wait, what am I thinking, of course you wouldn't know.

Mursenary
04-27-21, 01:42
Hahah, you're just a pathetic little troll living in his mother's basement.

Maybe you should try to get a job instead of stalking me all the time?Yawn. Keep at it big guy.

Try a thesaurus, 5 bucks on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webster-Thesaurus/dp/0877798508

Mursenary
04-27-21, 01:44
I think it is too early, if in the coming months even vaccinated people get sick from the mutants specially the Indian one or even not sick but able to transmit the sick to others probably the things will change. Today only few tools are available for the leaders, mass lockdown, severe quarantine, drastic reductions of the travels which are the big driver for the spreading of the covid but all this is not acceptable on a long run or forcing the people to vaccinate even nobody knows today the potential side effects or the efficiency of the vaccines. Make the vaccinated feel they are a kind of VIP, all this will need some time to be really validated.We're all shocked that is your opinion.

Mursenary
04-27-21, 01:46
Wow that's so cute. Do you follow her on Instagram? Will you both wear cat ears?I know right?

Made a mistake though, he actually wanted me to go see Ellie Goulding with him. Ariana Grande was one of his other gay outings in Oslo a couple of months later.

Pistons
04-27-21, 02:04
Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.Right.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-52086274

This time, hundreds of thousands of migrant workers are desperately trying to return home in their own country. Battling hunger and fatigue, they are bound by a collective will to somehow get back to where they belong. Home in the village ensures food and the comfort of the family, they say.

Others on the road included a five-year-old boy who was on a 700 km (434 miles) journey by foot with his father, a construction worker, from Delhi to their home in Madhya Pradesh state in central India. "When the sun sets we will stop and sleep," the father told journalist Barkha Dutt. Another woman walked with her husband and two-and-a-half year old daughter, her bag stuffed with food, clothes and water. "We had a place to stay but no money to buy food," she said.

Then there was Rajneesh, a 26-year-old automobile worker who walking 250 km (155 miles) to his village in neighbouring Uttar Pradesh. It would take him four days, he reckoned. "We will die walking before coronavirus hits us," the man told Ms Dutt.

He was not exaggerating. Last week, a 39-year-old man on a 300 km (186 miles) trek from Delhi to Madhya Pradesh complained of chest pain and exhaustion and died; and a 62-year-old man, returning from a hospital by foot in Gujarat, collapsed outside his house and died. Four other migrants, turned away at the borders on their way to Rajasthan from Gujarat, were mowed down by a truck on a dark highway.

Google it and you will find maybe a thousand hits mentioning different cases.

Pistons
04-27-21, 02:07
Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.https://scroll.in/latest/957570/covid-19-lockdown-man-collapses-dies-halfway-while-walking-home-300-km-away-from-delhi

Thousands of migrant workers have been trying to get home, with many of them attempting to cross state borders, amid the 21-day lockdown imposed to curb the spread of the novel coronavirus. Many of them have died. While the deaths of at least 22 such migrants are documented, the actual number might be much more.

Pessimist
04-27-21, 03:41
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4160-Rants-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about-and-Coronavirus!&p=2554330&viewfull=1#post2554330

Now, after settling my actual words (see above), I would be happy to tackle your other point of the American Dream.

Is the American Dream alive? That depends on your definition of American dream. Is the American dream to vault into the top 1%? Or even top 10%? If so, I agree that it is not very easy, native-born, immigrant, indentured servant, whatever. Obtaining elite levels of wealth is pretty hard for anyone.

I however, don't think that is the "American Dream" for most people. While having more wealth and assets than you know what to do with would be nice, most people just want to be comfortable without having to worry much about the future.

Yes I am an outlier, sort of. While I am technically a first generation immigrant, I immigrated pretty early, early enough to enjoy the benefits of American resources and the upward mobility it provides. Many of my second generation peers, who benefited from the sacrifice of their first gen parents, are likely doing the same if not better than me. They might still not make up the majority, but I'd dare say, make up a substantial number more representative than my outlier case. Not that I am even doing all that well compared to many of them..Yes, my use of the phrase "American dream" was loosely and poorly used, should not have done that. I do think moving up the wealth ladder is a dream for most Americans; it doesn't have to be about 1% or 10%, more so about upwards mobility. Stagnation and lack of improvement do make many people feel like they are regressing. But yes, most people couldn't care about 1% or 10%, those are just stats for internet arguments.

That said, I think upwards mobility itself has become quite a bit tough. I agree with much of the analysis of Piketty, or what little I read of his work. Due to technology impact and global supply chains which imported deflation into the US, a lot of the labor in this country lost their bargaining power (especially the blue collar labor) and the owners of capital have benefited at their expense (and the lucky employees in knowledge work). I don't subscribe to Piketty's extreme progressive tax recommendations purely out of selfishness as I am already paying an obscene amount but logically he makes a good amount of sense.

I have not studied all these immigrant groups, their cultures and success rates. Being in tech and finance, I see tons of Asian and Indian types and not as much of other immigrants. In my mind, it is less a question of where they came from and more about who is coming. If the immigrant is uneducated and sneaks in illegally, s / he will find it hard to move up; those that come in legally and w / college or postgraduate degree will find good jobs, marry well and give their children good education. For whatever reason, Asian types are more in the latter bucket. Perhaps the oceans prevent them from coming here illegally. I would not attribute the success or failure of various groups to some inherent superiority / inferiority characteristics innately or culturally but the above reasons of legality / education.

Mursenary
04-27-21, 05:12
For sure, EU need tourism, but when EU is not able yet to control about at least 3 mutants and worrying Indian killer now, so EU have to protect better and each country can decide for its own safety, like Bavarian closed borders. Not in EU, but ZH land for everything for money, closed since 6 months, and when famous Globe knows how to deal with money, could be called how to use corruption in Romania, but famous Globe, number 1 in Switzerland, is closed since beginning of December, when only closed for 3 months on first wave, showing now is much more complicated than under original Chinese from pangolins. Negative test and quarantine seem minimum to protect our safety.Anyone else understand that "English"? Ugh. Keep it short. Less room for error.

Pistons
04-27-21, 08:08
The WHO (who created covid, and is responsible for the vaccine efforts) has a logo. A staff with a serpent. Based off of an old Greek legend and a cult who basically worshipped snakes. And as we all know, in most religions the devil is symbolized as the snake.

Moses for example put a bronze serpent on a pole as a sign to heal those bitten because of their sins against God.

And Hezekiah later destroyed it because people started worshipping the snake on the pole as a God.

The meaning of the snake on a pole as a symbol of Satan is clear. Satanic churches knows this. But our wannabe doctors here who have been brainwashed does not.

If you follow religious history way further back you will understand the link religion has to population control, and the swap between the two sides of the story (symbolized as two brothers. Zews and Apollon, Amen and Aten, Thor and Loki, Enki and Enlil), and see the connection it has to either increasing or reducing the population.

But the world health organization is firmly on the side of the coin linked to reducing it.

Happy Tuesday! Live your lies. Move on.

Pistons
04-27-21, 08:30
And for those who were waiting for that 8% side effect source I have. Admin doesn't like it, and is censoring truth. I tried posting it a few days ago, but it's still not up.

BigBuddy69
04-27-21, 15:21
Anyone else understand that "English"? Ugh. Keep it short. Less room for error.The border between Bavaria and India is closed because of the pangolins. Crystal clear no?

BigBuddy69
04-27-21, 15:23
I know right?
Made a mistake though, he actually wanted me to go see Ellie Goulding with him. Ariana Grande was one of his other gay outings in Oslo a couple of months later.If he takes you to see Dua Lipa send me an invitation, she's hot.

PaulInZurich
04-27-21, 16:18
Anyone else understand that "English"? Ugh. Keep it short. Less room for error.This is what happens when people never had to write an essay in school.

BigBuddy69
04-27-21, 16:22
The WHO (who created covid, and is responsible for the vaccine efforts) has a logo. A staff with a serpent. Based off of an old Greek legend and a cult who basically worshipped snakes. And as we all know, in most religions the devil is symbolized as the snake.

Moses for example put a bronze serpent on a pole as a sign to heal those bitten because of their sins against God.

And Hezekiah later destroyed it because people started worshipping the snake on the pole as a God

Happy Tuesday! Live your lies. Move on.Of course.

And don't forget 'snakes on a plane', it's obvious.

And 'Anaconda' with Jon Voight. Who is the father of Angelina Jolie.

Who plays Lara croft. The fall of ancient civilizations. Everything is crystal clear now!

PaulInZurich
04-27-21, 16:28
The WHO (who created covid, and is responsible for the vaccine efforts) has a logo. A staff with a serpent. Based off of an old Greek legend and a cult who basically worshipped snakes. And as we all know, in most religions the devil is symbolized as the snake.

Moses for example put a bronze serpent on a pole as a sign to heal those bitten because of their sins against God.

And Hezekiah later destroyed it because people started worshipping the snake on the pole as a God.

The meaning of the snake on a pole as a symbol of Satan is clear. Satanic churches knows this. But our wannabe doctors here who have been brainwashed does not.

If you follow religious history way further back you will understand the link religion has to population control, and the swap between the two sides of the story (symbolized as two brothers. Zews and Apollon, Amen and Aten, Thor and Loki, Enki and Enlil), and see the connection it has to either increasing or reducing the population.

But the world health organization is firmly on the side of the coin linked to reducing it.

Happy Tuesday! Live your lies. Move on.There is so much trolling in here it's amusing. On Greek mythology related points, maybe read up about snakes in Greek mythology and Asklepios. And Apollo is the son of Zeus. This is so lazy.

Sirioja
04-27-21, 17:20
You do realize that there are people on this forum who met in brothels and remain real friends years later right? Wait, what am I thinking, of course you wouldn't know.Who came to the other at LR? Did I? And even when I discover, I'm able to decide on my own. When I started in Germany, some claimed specialists told me: we will explain you, but when I looked at them, I thought: no interest because we can't live same experience. When I feel really different in brothels, I don t need friends there, when unfortunately for me, many guys need to come to speak to me, some even made me miss some girls, when I don t need to speak with guys, when I go to dream with beauties. Only them worth my attention. I prefer my sports friends, speaking and sharing about our passion, so much more interesting. Do you think you could be interesting level for me, from your so pathetic Sharks story? When I was just amazed from a medical. Whatever bullshits about me, but no girl will never tell you such story, nor like your French bald friend here, about me. But each one own level of course.

Clodius1
04-27-21, 18:06
Better to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.Good points. It will be interesting to see if the Indien variant is unable to spread into EU and US because it is "crowded out" by UK variant. I'm not a STIM guy, obviously. Incidentally, it's not just the Pfizer / Indien at play here. There is also the J&J and AZ in the mix. Thanks China.

Pistons
04-27-21, 18:14
I know right?

Made a mistake though, he actually wanted me to go see Ellie Goulding with him. Ariana Grande was one of his other gay outings in Oslo a couple of months later.Really weird again. I watched Ellie Goulding here, but that was before I ever met you. I am certain, and maybe 2 years or so before Ariana Grande. Who is hot as fuck by the way, and she did have the ears on LOL. I never talked to anyone about Ellie Goulding before that concert because I didn't expect much, but she did really impressed on stage!

Pistons
04-27-21, 18:18
Maybe in hindsight I told you about Ellie Goulding, and due to you expressing some 'left out' impulses I invited you to the following year's festival. As a token to be nice, and given the context.

Pistons
04-27-21, 18:31
It started raining heavily as you can see here:

https://youtu.be/Ksq4YikRxwE

So for the last 4 or 5 songs she just pulled off most of her clothes and started jiggling her boobs, running down to the audience and twerking.

Pistons
04-27-21, 18:37
That 2017 lineup was the strongest ever though. And I don't think they'll ever get a lineup as strong in the future ever again too!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergenfest

Mursenary
04-27-21, 19:45
Wow, you must be the king of extrapolations if you base your apocalyptic claims on two cases.Compare all those deaths to the 2500+ daily COVID deaths in India. At least 10.000 per day according to his covid undercount estimates.

Beijing4987
04-27-21, 19:56
Thanks Trump (everyone can get a test) thanks Rush (just a cold) Thanks Tuckkker, Thanks Info Wars, Thanks “don’t cry for me” Bolsanaro, Thanks Michigan, Thanks Great Barrington (a declaration) Thanks US soldiers in WW 1 for the pandemic first reported by Spanish media, censored in US press. Never mentioned by Woodrow Wilson. Thanks "America's Frontline Doctors". Thanks (Boy Wonder) Jared.

Sirioja
04-27-21, 20:01
Better to wait a little bit to see what will happen with the Indian variant, which in fact has 4 mutations and not 2, probably the vaccines will be challenged and the efficiency will strongly decrease. Israel is aware of that the reason they bought a lot of new Pfister vaccines with the new formulation.If a 1,3 billion people country like India is down under covid like now, when belonging to Commonwealth, then covid will always be around, whatever vaccines. Quite same risk from Brazil which is working close to Portugal and our French district Guyane. Guadeloupe with quite same weather than Miami, returned to lockdown when warm weather now, but exploding new cases. If EU don't ask for negative test made on arrival, whatever vaccine, and also quarantine for some countries, then we will have same bad Autumn from tourism than on 2020, when vaccine is to be protected, but can still spread, furthermore with mutants.

ShooBree
04-27-21, 20:51
Yawn. Keep at it big guy.

Try a thesaurus, 5 bucks on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webster-Thesaurus/dp/0877798508LMFAO, it's sad to see how you have no job, no friends and spend all your time trolling on ISG.

Too bad you can't find a life for sale on Amazon.

You're a creepy little stalker.

Pistons
04-27-21, 21:49
Thanks kids (who hasn't lived over 5 lives in the past)!

Mursenary
04-27-21, 22:05
Thanks Trump (everyone can get a test) thanks Rush (just a cold) Thanks Tuckkker, Thanks Info Wars, Thanks dont cry for me Bolsanaro, Thanks Michigan, Thanks Great Barrington (a declaration) Thanks US soldiers in WW 1 for the pandemic first reported by Spanish media, censored in US press. Never mentioned by Woodrow Wilson. Thanks "America's Frontline Doctors". Thanks (Boy Wonder) Jared.I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations.

https://www.dw.com/en/china-an-unpopular-winner-in-the-year-of-the-coronavirus/a-55413717

Knowing that assholes like Gino and the others will not differentiate between Asian nationalities, I cringe when I hear comments like Clodius' blasting the Chinese. Ignorant people will be emboldened and will indiscriminately discriminate.

You can blame people like Trump for his inaction, misinformation, and contribution to racist behavior by the common folk (see Gino's support of banning all Asians regardless of nationality, or random assholes attacking Asian senior citizens in western nations), but China can't escape blame that it started in their country and then preceded to silence Chinese medical professionals in January. Even as the WHO was preparing to address the outbreak, China fostered a culture of secrecy that likely meant that they withheld information from international health organizations. Transparency would have at least created a sense of urgency and bought more time for contact tracing. Perhaps mass casualties in Italy and New York would not have occurred. Perhaps abrupt lockdowns could have been avoided. Perhaps this could have gone the way of MERS or SARS-1.

But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.

Pessimist
04-28-21, 02:13
But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.

Especially considering China is not averse to copy / stealing global IP and this virus originated in China, it is puzzling that China's vaccine is so lackluster. Is it being substandard due to lack of competence or lack of intent?

If you accept the premise China bears some / large portion of the responsibility for this debacle, being to asked to supply free vaccines (of dubious value) is not a slap on pinky toe. The amount of damage caused is beyond immense. Lives alone are in millions (official) and dozens of millions (if proper accounting / attribution were done). If a Chinese factory located in the west had poison leak and killed a thousand people, the punitive damages would exceed billions. Here, nearly 600,000 (officially) died in the US alone. Then the lost output runs into trillions. Global GDP which was expected to be say 3% or 4% per trend line instead came at negative amounts (say -4% to -7%) in major developed nations. That is a swing of nearly 8% to 10% which for a combined GDP of $50+ trillions means nearly $4 to 5 trillion output was lost.

There is no half pregnancy. If China is culpable, even to a modest degree, the damages and penalties to be paid would / should run into trillions. But the divided, toothless West will never have the cojones to stand up to China and demand a full and genuine investigation and apportionment of the blame. There is blame for sure. When millions of people die and trillions get destroyed, it did not happen because a comet hit the planet. There were very real people that led to this sorry state, in China or West, but none of them have any true intent to get to the root of this.

Mursenary
04-28-21, 03:40
LMFAO, it's sad to see how you have no job, no friends and spend all your time trolling on ISG.

Too bad you can't find a life for sale on Amazon.

You're a creepy little stalker.We have life! First sliver of creativity we've seen from you yet. Good job little Shoe! You'll get there!

Mursenary
04-28-21, 03:55
I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.Their vaccine is apparently pretty weak, not that I keep up with it all that closely. Poor efficacy is likely due to their choice of vaccine vector, inactivated viral vectors. China's Bio sector is anything but innovative so mRNA was not even an option for them unless they partnered with a western company. Why they chose to use an inactivated virus as the vector rather than live viral vectors such as JnJ, AZ, and Sputnik, I have no idea.

They seemed to talk pretty tough during the Alaska summit with the US a couple of months ago so you're probably right that they have zero intent for any reparations of any sort.

Mursenary
04-28-21, 04:24
Who came to the other at LR? Did I? And even when I discover, I'm able to decide on my own. When I started in Germany, some claimed specialists told me: we will explain you, but when I looked at them, I thought: no interest because we can't live same experience. When I feel really different in brothels, I don t need friends there, when unfortunately for me, many guys need to come to speak to me, some even made me miss some girls, when I don t need to speak with guys, when I go to dream with beauties. Only them worth my attention. I prefer my sports friends, speaking and sharing about our passion, so much more interesting. Do you think you could be interesting level for me, from your so pathetic Sharks story? When I was just amazed from a medical. Whatever bullshits about me, but no girl will never tell you such story, nor like your French bald friend here, about me. But each one own level of course.Aw, you think that when someone speaks to you and acts polite, that they are your friend? How cute. And sad. Mostly sad. Glad my little small talk with you about hookers in a hooker club was so memorable for you.

Mursenary
04-28-21, 07:48
There is so much trolling in here it's amusing. On Greek mythology related points, maybe read up about snakes in Greek mythology and Asklepios. And Apollo is the son of Zeus. This is so lazy.Lazy and full of error. Typical conspiracy theorist.

Yep, Zews (sic) is the father of Apollo. But maybe some weird Norwegian incestuous practice lead to Zews (sic) boning his mother and out came Brother-Son Apollo sporting a Viking horned helmet, the mark of incest.

And since when did the snake represent the devil in most religions? Is he aware of the world outside of Europe where most religions viewed snakes as symbols of fertility, rebirth, transformation, healing, and eternity.

With Greek mythology predating the Old Testament, I'm pretty sure the Greeks revered the rebirth symbolism before they apparently started worshiping Satan.

Who's surprised. The same guy still thinks that France is a Catholic country.

ExpatLover
04-28-21, 07:49
I thought the Chinese vaccine was discredited? I am the not a vaccine specialist, far from it, will leave it to the local cognoscenti. What I find it puzzling or strange is that China has major aspirations in healthcare, as it does in tech, finance, other sectors (not just to be self sufficient but to become world class) and yet their vaccine is seemingly worse than Sputnik from Russia, a nation which is a has been on the world stage in any economic matter and does not have any serious player / company on the world stage. The only Russian companies global investors care about are a handful of energy / mining companies, Yandex, Sberbank, and a couple.

Especially considering China is not averse to copy / stealing global IP and this virus originated in China, it is puzzling that China's vaccine is so lackluster. Is it being substandard due to lack of competence or lack of intent?

If you accept the premise China bears some / large portion of the responsibility for this debacle, being to asked to supply free vaccines (of dubious value) is not a slap on pinky toe. The amount of damage caused is beyond immense. Lives alone are in millions (official) and dozens of millions (if proper accounting / attribution were done). If a Chinese factory located in the west had poison leak and killed a thousand people, the punitive damages would exceed billions. Here, nearly 600,000 (officially) died in the US alone. Then the lost output runs into trillions. Global GDP which was expected to be say 3% or 4% per trend line instead came at negative amounts (say -4% to -7%) in major developed nations. That is a swing of nearly 8% to 10% which for a combined GDP of $50+ trillions means nearly $4 to 5 trillion output was lost.

There is no half pregnancy. If China is culpable, even to a modest degree, the damages and penalties to be paid would / should run into trillions. But the divided, toothless West will never have the cojones to stand up to China and demand a full and genuine investigation and apportionment of the blame. There is blame for sure. When millions of people die and trillions get destroyed, it did not happen because a comet hit the planet. There were very real people that led to this sorry state, in China or West, but none of them have any true intent to get to the root of this.100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.

HammerTime96
04-28-21, 13:42
I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations. I find it funny that the only favourable opinions about the Chinese response (lockdowns & a fascist police state) come from CCP trolls and born-again-Green-neo-communists. LOL!

HammerTime96
04-28-21, 13:50
https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/


The tender strongly implies what ministers have so far been unwilling to concede – the global pandemic isn’t anywhere near over yet, resultant lockdowns are likely, and citizens’ lives will continue to be adversely affected far beyond the foreseeable future.Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!

Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!

To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.

PaulInZurich
04-28-21, 16:51
https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/

Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!

Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!

To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.I like that you often quote RT, it says a lot about you. Putins megaphone can always be relied on to spread disinformation.

It will not happen in the next few weeks, but over the summer as vaccination picks up speed, numbers will go down, like in UK or Israel. And then things will open up. Slowly people with a corona pass will get to live a more normal life. The antivaxxers will need to provid PCR tests whenever they wish to travel by plane, go to a concert or a football game. Let's see how dedicated you remain for how long.

At some point the virus will become endemic. As more people are vaccinated or recover from an infection, the less dangerous new variants will become. We will get probably yearly booster shots, similar to the flu shots.

Unfortunately for Asian or African countries travel restrictions will remain until vaccinations pick up in those areas, that I agree could take years.

Pessimist
04-28-21, 18:17
Their vaccine is apparently pretty weak, not that I keep up with it all that closely. Poor efficacy is likely due to their choice of vaccine vector, inactivated viral vectors. China's Bio sector is anything but innovative so mRNA was not even an option for them unless they partnered with a western company. Why they chose to use an inactivated virus as the vector rather than live viral vectors such as JnJ, AZ, and Sputnik, I have no idea.

They seemed to talk pretty tough during the Alaska summit with the US a couple of months ago so you're probably right that they have zero intent for any reparations of any sort.There is a biologics firm called Wuxi Bio in China that has a market value of $60 B. For reference, Biontech's value is $42 B.

Sinopharm is at $10 B value. Innovent Bio has $17 B value. Innocare, Livzon are valued between $5 to $10 B. Jiangsu Hengrui is valued at nearly $70 B but I don't think they are pureplay drug development or how much of their sales come from original molecules.

There are at least another 10 to 15 firms in China which are valued in the billions of dollars by the market.

Yes, Chinese vaccines were not expected to be competitive against PFE / Biontech or Moderna but that they are worse than Sputnik is what surprises me. From what I little I know, it is made by some research institute in Russia, I. E. Not even a private sector company but by Soviet style labs. I have no idea what quality of research is done in these labs; I suppose at some point they might have been good. I can't imagine they pay their researchers that well and anyone smart enough would migrate or seek something better. Yet, they seem to be besting the Chinese vaccine considering the amount of money that is thrown at Chinese bio tech firms by investors.

BTW, Biontech is worth $42 B NOW. After their product has proven to be the very best. At the time they embarked on this research a year ago, it was valued at less than $10 B and primarily for their cancer work as I understood. In contrast, the Chinese firms were highly valued even a year ago, were richly funded and money was no object if they wanted to develop a functioning vaccine.

Again, I doubt very much that China ever wanted to truly develop a functioning vaccine. Their urgency might have been much higher if they were looking at a nationwide calamity as most countries have been facing for a year.

Pessimist
04-28-21, 18:18
100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.I have been investing in Chinese (HK and also A shares) for several years. But I thank you for bringing us the CCP talking points.

Pessimist
04-28-21, 19:14
I think this is the future of travel. Get vaccinated and you may visit, if you don't you have to stay home. Will that be extended to FKKs also?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/european-union-let-vaccinated-americans-215851504.htmlDid you get your CDC card laminated yet? I wonder how many countries will accept it as an acceptable Covid passport. I did not hear if the US has any plans of actually issuing a real Covid passport. Probably unlikely. That requires a nationwide effort, a separate bureaucracy, yadda yadda not to mention this vaccine officially has an expiration of a year. Most likely, the CDC card is it (which does not have even your picture on it and hence is not much of an ID, but it is something).

Anyway, even if US travelers are accepted in DE, not sure how many will be rushing. Their situation is now worse than here. All the travel related businesses (airlines, Visa / Mastercard, etc) are saying regional travel is opening up -- intra Europe, US to LatAM corridor, etc. Speaking for myself, I will go only if the FKKs are functioning, normal, and girls quality / service is reasonably near pre covid levels. Otherwise, I have no interest in visiting Europe for tourism purpose on my own or w / family (and speaking of FKK visits, the big problem for me is still how to come up with believable stories to leave home for extended periods).

Pistons
04-28-21, 19:32
https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/

Folks, this "plandemic" is far from over!

Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again!

To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.You and me have known this for a long time m8! But true, it is fun to finally rub it into the heads of our brainwashed audience full of wannabes here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-on-when-he-thinks-the-world-will-be-back-to-normal.html

I just hope that our beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls will be fine throughout all of this.

Pistons
04-28-21, 19:33
On tiktok ericryanericryan has some funny videos on this just now.

Pistons
04-28-21, 20:03
Our little cute Thai American nurse travels 400 kilometers for work, living in a single male bohemian cave watching porn all day long while smoking pot. Every time we met a white guy, he always told me afterwards how he hated the guy. Including 5+ white guys here on the forum. Since he grew up in savanna where his Thai mom got stuffed full by an Italian dude all throughout his youth. I can imagine certain psychological traits were acquired after that pointed at Europeans.

Sad emotional story. Reminded me of that story in Altered Carbon of the main character when he was young. Hiding in a closet with his sister.

That is perhaps also why he never really grew a cock. Because he was afraid of really going inside someone.

Or perhaps he really was ment to be born as a girl, but at the end, a tiny penis grew a few cm. As if mother nature was in a limbo until the very end. And FKK girls tell stories about this and of what an easy room with him really means.

He doesn't attend FKKs to be with girls, because sex for him is terrible. He has this hobby to make friends. A real loner. I felt sorry for him and tried to invite him that one time I suppose.

Clodius1
04-28-21, 20:26
I find it funny that the least favorable opinions of China's COVID response comes from Japan and South Korea rather than Western nations.

https://www.dw.com/en/china-an-unpopular-winner-in-the-year-of-the-coronavirus/a-55413717

Knowing that assholes like Gino and the others will not differentiate between Asian nationalities, I cringe when I hear comments like Clodius' blasting the Chinese. Ignorant people will be emboldened and will indiscriminately discriminate.

You can blame people like Trump for his inaction, misinformation, and contribution to racist behavior by the common folk (see Gino's support of banning all Asians regardless of nationality, or random assholes attacking Asian senior citizens in western nations), but China can't escape blame that it started in their country and then preceded to silence Chinese medical professionals in January. Even as the WHO was preparing to address the outbreak, China fostered a culture of secrecy that likely meant that they withheld information from international health organizations. Transparency would have at least created a sense of urgency and bought more time for contact tracing. Perhaps mass casualties in Italy and New York would not have occurred. Perhaps abrupt lockdowns could have been avoided. Perhaps this could have gone the way of MERS or SARS-1.

But facts are facts and the Chinese government made things worse than it could have been. Instead of being assholes about it, it would behoove the nation to accept responsibility. And since their economy is the only major power to not substantially suffer, I would say some financial repercussion would be in order. At the very least, they could supply vaccines for free to every nation that needs it and wants it.Not racist amigo. I live in a predominantly Asian community. We have Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Burmese, and Chinese from Taipei and Hong Kong here. My reference to China has nothing to do with race. Maybe I will call them the ChiComs hereon out for clarity's sake.

Pistons
04-28-21, 20:30
Lazy and full of error. Typical conspiracy theorist.

Yep, Zews (sic) is the father of Apollo. But maybe some weird Norwegian incestuous practice lead to Zews (sic) boning his mother and out came Brother-Son Apollo sporting a Viking horned helmet, the mark of incest.

And since when did the snake represent the devil in most religions? Is he aware of the world outside of Europe where most religions viewed snakes as symbols of fertility, rebirth, transformation, healing, and eternity.

With Greek mythology predating the Old Testament, I'm pretty sure the Greeks revered the rebirth symbolism before they apparently started worshiping Satan.

Who's surprised. The same guy still thinks that France is a Catholic country.Ok, Apollon and Artemis. It was not even key to my post, thus the parenthesis.

As I also wrote in my post, the question weather or not the snake is evil, is flipped around like a coin. To control population numbers. In China for example the emperor is born off a dragon (serpent), probably referring to a penis. That's the story, I know all of that. But it just means they wanted to control the population.

The rebirth and transformation link fits 100% well to my population control story. But you are not wise enough to understand this. I know.

The old testament is probably older than Greek mythology. The old testament is based on sumerian religion, or was written alongside, or even before akadian and sumerian, and Greek is based on egyptian mythology. The only reason I mentioned Greek is because of Asklepios (or how it was spelled) and the symbol. But the sekt he was part of, and of course they have a narrative to advocate it, took inspirations from old times past. Older religions. And it was one of the false God's as referred to in the Genesis.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholar.csl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1068%26context%3Dmdiv&ved=2ahUKEwjlnJjf16HwAhWRlIsKHaPiA_EQFjALegQIChAC&usg=AOvVaw08tEm5PpFgza7UPrUAEdSY

ShooBree
04-28-21, 20:49
We have life! First sliver of creativity we've seen from you yet. Good job little Shoe! You'll get there!Ehrm, aren't you the guy who make gay "jokes"? Well, you're not funny nor "creative" and I couldn't care less about the opinion of a friendless, jobless little troll like you.

You're an immature little loser.

BigBuddy69
04-28-21, 20:56
https://www.rt.com/uk/522300-british-tenders-marshals-long-covid/.Really funny from someone who is so obsessed by commies to use sources from Russia Today. Russia, land of the freedom of the press, where medias are not controlled by the government.

Sirioja
04-28-21, 20:57
Aw, you think that when someone speaks to you and acts polite, that they are your friend? How cute. And sad. Mostly sad. Glad my little small talk with you about hookers in a hooker club was so memorable for you.You came to ask, because you were just not able on your own and needed advice to choose a girl. I remember one here telling me on Summer 2015 at Sharks, Karin was Spanish, what she told him, so I went to her and she was Romanian for me after 1 minute. If I believed what he told me, I would not have gone to such wow beauty and missed pleasure when we repeated, as usual. Even in Spain, I don't go with Spanish girls. In brothels I heard from many guys about girls, but never such story than yours, and you really didn't impress me, knowing quite well the girl and her behavior, going daily out of Sharks, she might need to go for something. I mean else than going to sleep.

Pistons
04-28-21, 20:59
The narrative about Asklepios is that they killed the snakes and hung up the snakeskin. Then they prayed to God for forgiveness for the sins they had committed. As if having sex is sinfull. The snake being the penis (of course). So this serpent sekt really was anti-sex, anti-life and thus for population control / reduction.

As I already wrote: Greek mythology came from old Egyptian mythology. And in old Egypt they used to cut the cocks off of their enemies after battle, and they used the penises as symbols of how many they had killed. Just like the dead snake on the pole by Asklepios.

The idea that having sex is sinful, and needs God's forgiveness is also found in old sumerian. Where Enki, who made mankind was sent to a tribunal infant of An along with the first human able to reproduce: Adama. Who of course had received the first penis. And they lost the tribunal. An and his court sentenced Enki and Adama to eternal life on earth along with Enki's fellow criminals who helped giving humans the ability to reproduce. The fallen angels of the scriptures.

So it really is a symbol of the dead snake on the stick, or on the pole. So they want to reduce the human population in front of An (or YHWH or whatever you call him). I think YHWH or the use of An is usually just a title, or the name of the extraterrestrial court that sentenced Enki and his helpers alongside Adama and humanity.

PaulinZurich: how is that for research? Took me 3 minutes to write down, since I know this for a long time. And much more.

Pistons
04-28-21, 21:51
Compare all those deaths to the 2500+ daily COVID deaths in India. At least 10.000 per day according to his covid undercount estimates.I never wrote that it was worse than covid. But all you manage to do it lying and taking everything out of context.

But those deaths, in addition to stories of how they didn't always have food for them back in the villages was something I linked to the resistance in India regarding the most advanced lockdown measures. It was part of what lies behind the political choices made.

But I never expected much brainpower from you in understanding this anyway.

McAdonis
04-28-21, 22:03
I have not studied all these immigrant groups, their cultures and success rates. Being in tech and finance, I see tons of Asian and Indian types and not as much of other immigrants. In my mind, it is less a question of where they came from and more about who is coming. If the immigrant is uneducated and sneaks in illegally, s / he will find it hard to move up; those that come in legally and w / college or postgraduate degree will find good jobs, marry well and give their children good education. For whatever reason, Asian types are more in the latter bucket. Indian households earn more than ethnic group in the USA. But that is partly due to the fact the immigration process is extremely selective, so only the most talented are being selected to leave India. But if India becomes the next China, then your next Satya Nadella (Microsoft) or Sundar Pichai (Google) will have less reason to leave India. For same reasons, Nigerian diaspora live in Western countries is also extremely successful.


Increasingly, whether or not Nigerians are successful in the west depends on their ability to meet tough visa requirements, and afford the fees and living costs to travel abroad to work and study. That creates a hyper-selective population of high achievers, who pass their ambition on to their children, says Onoso Imoagene, associate professor at New York University and author of Beyond Expectations: Second-Generation Nigerians in the United States and Britain. Those who are poorly-skilled are more likely to take illegal routes out of the country. Often they are unable to get beyond Africa or if they do make it to Europe, they work in unskilled jobs.

https://www.ft.com/content/ca39b445-442a-4845-a07c-0f5dae5f3460.


Perhaps the oceans prevent them from coming here illegally. I would not attribute the success or failure of various groups to some inherent superiority / inferiority characteristics innately or culturally but the above reasons of legality / education.Low-skilled Mexican laborers illegally cross the border to enter the USA, but these same immigrants wouldn't be able to "sneak" into Spain. In fact, most Mexicans in Spain are white-collar. Venezuelans and Colombians are more numerous in Spain but are lower on the socio-economic ladder than the Mexicans: https://www.statista.com/statistics/446225/number-of-immigrants-into-spain-by-nationality/.

In both USA and France, 60-65 percent of legal immigration falls under "family reunification". Meaning each immigrant usually sponsors 3-4 family members. If the immigrant is highly-skilled and educated, chances are his children will also be high-achievers. Young immigrant children are able to easily to pick up the language, whereas teenagers and adult immigrants will struggle with language and may fall between the cracks.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-family-based-immigration/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/961541/reasons-for-migration-france/

ShooBree
04-29-21, 00:21
Really funny from someone who is so obsessed by commies to use sources from Russia Today. Russia, land of the freedom of the press, where medias are not controlled by the government.In Russia the tax rate is 15% for incomes over 5 million rubles, oh the Russian "commies"! LMFAO!

Pistons
04-29-21, 04:53
Indian households earn more than ethnic group in the USA. But that is partly due to the fact the immigration process is extremely selective, so only the most talented are being selected to leave India. But if India becomes the next China, then your next Satya Nadella (Microsoft) or Sundar Pichai (Google) will have less reason to leave India. For same reasons, Nigerian diaspora live in Western countries is also extremely successful.Well, not sure I agree on your quote regarding Indian diaspora in western countries. Mainly usa probably. Indian and Pakistani diaspora in much of Europe came as textile workers in the 1970's, and are thus hardly very wealthy. Only the recent wave of Indian IT personnel hired to work for 1/3 of the salary given to professional locals. And that is the main reason we see this immigration from certain countries today's aside from immigrant crisis. They ask for lower wages, and its a way for the employers to fool the labor system and pay less in wages. Unfortunately then also creating prejudice related to immigrants taking local jobs.

When it comes to Nigerians and Somali for example in Europe, they seem to high skilled when in usa, but in Europe they are extremely high on the criminal statistics. Especially related to drug crimes. Probably because they can reach Europe by land. Much like Mexicans in USA. And then because some of the criminals arrive in Europe, the more educated don't want to feel that baggage, so they opt to travel to USA instead.

And as you say, Latinos in europe are usually well educated and mix in very well. And probably the group in Europe aside from NA and Oceania with the least amount of prejudice against them.

PaulInZurich
04-29-21, 05:02
In Russia the tax rate is 15% for incomes over 5 million rubles, oh the Russian "commies"! LMFAO!Russia might not be a communist country but sure as hell is not a free country. You guys are all about shouting "the government is taking away our freedom" but then you admire Putin. What is it with all these "freedom" people that they need to have a big daddy to worship?

Sirioja
04-29-21, 05:06
Our little cute Thai American nurse travels 400 kilometers for work, living in a single male bohemian cave watching porn all day long while smoking pot. Every time we met a white guy, he always told me afterwards how he hated the guy. Including 5+ white guys here on the forum. Since he grew up in savanna where his Thai mom got stuffed full by an Italian dude all throughout his youth. I can imagine certain psychological traits were acquired after that pointed at Europeans.

Sad emotional story. Reminded me of that story in Altered Carbon of the main character when he was young. Hiding in a closet with his sister.

That is perhaps also why he never really grew a cock. Because he was afraid of really going inside someone.

Or perhaps he really was ment to be born as a girl, but at the end, a tiny penis grew a few cm. As if mother nature was in a limbo until the very end. And FKK girls tell stories about this and of what an easy room with him really means.

He doesn't attend FKKs to be with girls, because sex for him is terrible. He has this hobby to make friends. A real loner. I felt sorry for him and tried to invite him that one time I suppose.Sad story for past brothels friends, just confirming me really not places to make friends, but only worth for me to enjoy girls on our own standards if we are able to find, then should be easy, fast and with no consequences game, but few need consequences with a prostitute, and many are more interested by other guys than by women, even they are at work, when the woman part is the most attractive for my desire. Really bullshit and jealousy land.

PaulInZurich
04-29-21, 05:07
PaulinZurich: how is that for research? Took me 3 minutes to write down, since I know this for a long time. And much more.Bravo, you learned yesterday that Zeus is not Artemis. After all, Zeus was only the most powerful god. That is progress for you, well done.

PaulInZurich
04-29-21, 05:23
In Russia the tax rate is 15% for incomes over 5 million rubles, oh the Russian "commies"! LMFAO!So you define "freedom" based on how low the taxes are? Do you even know what freedom means?

Mursenary
04-29-21, 06:04
There is a biologics firm called Wuxi Bio in China that has a market value of $60 B. For reference, Biontech's value is $42 B.

Sinopharm is at $10 B value. Innovent Bio has $17 B value. Innocare, Livzon are valued between $5 to $10 B. Jiangsu Hengrui is valued at nearly $70 B but I don't think they are pureplay drug development or how much of their sales come from original molecules.

There are at least another 10 to 15 firms in China which are valued in the billions of dollars by the market.

Again, I doubt very much that China ever wanted to truly develop a functioning vaccine. Their urgency might have been much higher if they were looking at a nationwide calamity as most countries have been facing for a year.Definitely agree that there's a strong likelihood that the CCP has less vested interest in providing the best possible product to help their people. They do have "alternate methods" that is effective for their culture. I mean, "zero" COVID deaths in North Korea!

Just speaking off the cuff as I'm not well versed in Chinese Biotech companies, but my first instinct is that these companies are not the world's leading innovative companies. What I mean is that there are tons of profitable biotech companies, profitable companies in general for the matter. My first job out of undergrad was with a small 30 employee company that churned out over $50 million in revenue. But that company was hardly innovative, as in, they didn't push current tech to higher stratospheres. Want to know how they generated most of their revenue? By taking other well known approaches and making it more cost effective. The largest contract was with the a subsidiary of the Costa Rican Ministry of Health. All we did was take already proven, establish germ lines and produced cheap antibodies that were effective enough for mass use. These third world governments could have paid 5 x the price for a Johnson and Johnson product, but our company found a niche for profit taking.

Another analogy could be Wal-Mart. They don't innovate much of anything. They hardly provide revolutionary products. But they're gangbusters at generating profit. Even as Amazon takes over the world, Walmart will continue to command an enviable position in the profit-now market.

Maybe those companies you listed have some sector-changing products down their RnD pipelines, but a quick google search of a couple of them steered me into thinking that they are profit-taking companies whose primary goal is to take current technologies and provide products and services that maximize efficiency, minimize cost, while filling logistical / supply chain voids. Who believes that China isn't a capitalist economy! Anyway, I would like to see what shares of those companies' revenue goes back into Research and Development. And by that I mean the pure idea of RnD, not the industrial engineering variety.

I will preemptively admit that my hunch is influenced by my opinion of stereotypical Chinese culture: practical and risk averse.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 06:21
100 years ago, during the so called Spanish flu pandemic Spanish people were killed but nobody can tell you today that the flue originated from Spain, now you again want to blacklist China. Advise you to get some better knowledge about copy in China, if you want to sell your product in China you need to pass the CCC and to do so you need to provide all the technical data from your product including raw materials.Ironic that you bring up the Spanish Flu. While a definite site of origin remains a mystery with epidemiologist ruling out a Spanish origin with near certainty, the two leading culprits for the origin of that H1 N1 lineage were China and the United States. China has been a hot bed for influenza variants for over a century while the US theory points to poor farming and livestock practices in the American Midwest, which were often filled with Chinese migrant workers.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 06:28
I find it funny that the only favourable opinions about the Chinese response (lockdowns & a fascist police state) come from CCP trolls and born-again-Green-neo-communists. LOL!Funny you say that to an independent contract worker who has avoided having an employer for the better part of my adult life. Have fun with your Monday through Friday life of payroll slavery. Sally from accounting says that you will not be reimbursed for your QAnon membership dues.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 07:07
Anyway, even if US travelers are accepted in DE, not sure how many will be rushing. Their situation is now worse than here. All the travel related businesses (airlines, Visa / Mastercard, etc) are saying regional travel is opening up -- intra Europe, US to LatAM corridor, etc. Speaking for myself, I will go only if the FKKs are functioning, normal, and girls quality / service is reasonably near pre covid levels. Otherwise, I have no interest in visiting Europe for tourism purpose on my own or w / family (and speaking of FKK visits, the big problem for me is still how to come up with believable stories to leave home for extended periods).At some point, the German (and other Western European governments) will have to take off their "proceed with caution" hats and recognize that while their "3rd wave" is viewed through the lens of higher infection numbers, it has not produced a corresponding number of fatalities and hospitalizations.

If they actually make that revelation, the cost benefit analysis may lead to a faster than currently expected reopening. Someone with actual credentials will sooner than later crunch the numbers and perhaps propose that the declining case fatality / infection fatality rates may be due to the larger proportion of at-risk populations being vaccinated. With UK and Israel still opening up rather slowly and methodically, the reasonably controlled situation in the practically wide open but decently vaccinated United States may serve as the model that factors vaccine efficacy with the benefits of a speedy reopening.

On this last day of my work contract, my fairly large ICU admitted our first critical COVID case in about a month. And I am currently working in one of the most restriction-free states. We've practically been open since last summer! Here's to cautious optimism. Everyone should assess their own risk profiles and those of their close loved ones, but I'm taking my vaccination card, avoid any at risk seniors, and going to wild out in Florida and Mexico next week!

Mursenary
04-29-21, 07:09
Ehrm, aren't you the guy who make gay "jokes"? Well, you're not funny nor "creative" and I couldn't care less about the opinion of a friendless, jobless little troll like you.

You're an immature little loser.Damn, ya took a step back. Talk to you tomorrow!

Mursenary
04-29-21, 07:33
I never wrote that it was worse than covid. But all you manage to do it lying and taking everything out of context.

But those deaths, in addition to stories of how they didn't always have food for them back in the villages was something I linked to the resistance in India regarding the most advanced lockdown measures. It was part of what lies behind the political choices made.

But I never expected much brainpower from you in understanding this anyway.Never said you did. The underlying point is whether restriction-related deaths outweigh COVID deaths in India. I don't have those numbers. Perhaps your secret network with insider information does.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 07:36
You came to ask, because you were just not able on your own and needed advice to choose a girl. I remember one here telling me on Summer 2015 at Sharks, Karin was Spanish, what she told him, so I went to her and she was Romanian for me after 1 minute. If I believed what he told me, I would not have gone to such wow beauty and missed pleasure when we repeated, as usual. Even in Spain, I don't go with Spanish girls. In brothels I heard from many guys about girls, but never such story than yours, and you really didn't impress me, knowing quite well the girl and her behavior, going daily out of Sharks, she might need to go for something. I mean else than going to sleep.Glad you got an ego boast from mere small talk. Cool beans.

PaulInZurich
04-29-21, 07:38
You and me have known this for a long time m8! But true, it is fun to finally rub it into the heads of our brainwashed audience full of wannabes here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/bill-gates-on-when-he-thinks-the-world-will-be-back-to-normal.html

I just hope that our beautiful Romanian and Bulgarian girls will be fine throughout all of this.You have a habit of quoting articles that go against what you are arguing. Do you do that on purpose? In that case nice reverse psychology job.

So yet another article that says the opposite of what HT and you are saying. He says that there will be an end for the pandemic and the end will be due to vaccines. As US reaches high vaccinations levels more doses will be available for the rest of the world.

So US and EU will get closer to normal, the rest of the world will follow in time. He might be too optimistic how soon that will happen for the rest of the world in 2022.

*BillGates* Thank you for the transfer, that will cover my services for the next month. Thank you for the documentation how to mine bitcoins using the chips from the vaccinated people in my area.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 11:17
Ok, Apollon and Artemis. It was not even key to my post, thus the parenthesis.

As I also wrote in my post, the question weather or not the snake is evil, is flipped around like a coin. To control population numbers. In China for example the emperor is born off a dragon (serpent), probably referring to a penis. That's the story, I know all of that. But it just means they wanted to control the population.

The rebirth and transformation link fits 100% well to my population control story. But you are not wise enough to understand this. I know.

The old testament is probably older than Greek mythology. The old testament is based on sumerian religion, or was written alongside, or even before akadian and sumerian, and Greek is based on egyptian mythology. The only reason I mentioned Greek is because of Asklepios (or how it was spelled) and the symbol. But the sekt he was part of, and of course they have a narrative to advocate it, took inspirations from old times past. Older religions. And it was one of the false God's as referred to in the Genesis.The mistake is double embarrassing when you also spell Zeus as Zews. 'Hooked On Phonics' didn't work this time.

Lots of religions have shared mythologies but there's hardly a strong case to say that monotheistic Abrahamic religions are based on Polytheistic Mesopotamian religions. You might want to fast forward a thousand years to Zoroastrianism where monotheism and the idea of Satan first took off. You would have a better case if you said Judaism was based on Egyptian Atenism. If sharing fairy tales means "based on," you might as well say that Egyptian mythology is based on Sumerian religion. Most religions share a common flood myth. Maybe Hopi Native Americans are based on Sumer.

And let's see, if serpents represent penises, but they also represent fertility. I'm guessing they're thinking of fucking and procreating, not population control. And with the many references to snakes and fertility in nomadic native American peoples, I'm guessing population control was not a prerogative in sparsely populated North America when American Natives where out there hunting buffalo and mammoths in their loin cloths.

The timeline of Satan and snakes barely makes a dent in the history of serpent myths. It makes no chronological sense as satanic figures didn't even appear until Zoroaster not even a thousand years before Christ. Serpent mythology was around way before then. Hell Snake myths even predate Osirus, Egypt's god of the underworld.

Hell Australian Aborigines literally worshipped the Rainbow Serpent as their creator god 8000 years ago.

Maybe you're just scared of snakes, perhaps due to Norse fairy tales about Jormungandr and Ragnarok.

I'll give it to you though, the persistent inability to admit fault or ignorance despite several people calling you out on your bullshit is indicative of some pretty durable psychological armor. You must have forged it through decades of social rejection. It serves you well in protecting that broken inner child. Might be more beneficial in the long run to address your core issues and work on them.

Watch, I'll start, "I'm an arrogant asshole who wastes too much time arguing with people on a hooker forum. I should eat better. I need to stop skipping leg day. I should call my mother more."

Now you try it.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 12:19
Not racist amigo. I live in a predominantly Asian community. We have Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Burmese, and Chinese from Taipei and Hong Kong here. My reference to China has nothing to do with race. Maybe I will call them the ChiComs hereon out for clarity's sake.Oh, no dig on you dude. I was genuinely referring to the boneheads who get emboldened by hot words and phrases. They're pack animals who are easily influenced to take it as a green light to thrash on some make-believe common enemy. Hell, I agree that CCP bears significant blame for this mess. I just cringe, knowing that there are people who can't be bothered to differentiate a person from their government's actions. Or people who can't be bothered to even differentiate different nationalities. Not that I think Chinese people should be harassed, but it's even more baffonery when they harass their own countrymen of Vietnamese, Thai, Korean, Filipino, etc origin.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 12:30
Our little cute Thai American nurse travels 400 kilometers for work, living in a single male bohemian cave watching porn all day long while smoking pot. Every time we met a white guy, he always told me afterwards how he hated the guy. Including 5+ white guys here on the forum. Since he grew up in savanna where his Thai mom got stuffed full by an Italian dude all throughout his youth. I can imagine certain psychological traits were acquired after that pointed at Europeans.

Sad emotional story. Reminded me of that story in Altered Carbon of the main character when he was young. Hiding in a closet with his sister.

That is perhaps also why he never really grew a cock. Because he was afraid of really going inside someone.

Or perhaps he really was ment to be born as a girl, but at the end, a tiny penis grew a few cm. As if mother nature was in a limbo until the very end. And FKK girls tell stories about this and of what an easy room with him really means.

He doesn't attend FKKs to be with girls, because sex for him is terrible. He has this hobby to make friends. A real loner. I felt sorry for him and tried to invite him that one time I suppose.LOL, I know I hurt you pretty bad when you literally just grab random shit out of thin air. All out of material eh?

Your tears of frustration taste so sweet. But get over me dude. You're starting to sound like a psycho ex-girlfriend.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 13:58
Why do you think the German government passed a new lockdown law last week? Because there is light at the end of the tunnel and they are confident that this "vaccine" will successful against a fast-mutating Corona virus? WRONG, think again! Sorry, I'll have to keep reminding that mutations are slowest in SARS CoV-2 and faster in the Measles vaccine that you took as a child. Also, help lower transmission, get your annual flu shot.

Mutation rates expressed in 10 (-3) nucleotide substitution per site per year:

2. 38 SARS CoV-2.

7. 8 Measles.

10+ Polio.

11.62 Flu A.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC446188/

https://jvi.asm.org/content/89/21/10993

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2818276/

https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/6/2/veaa040/5841225




To all the brave (and not so bright) vaxxxed Guinea Pigs out there: enjoy you "vaccine" and enjoy your "new freedoms" (old pre-2020 civil liberties), because by autumn your new "new freedoms" will be declared "NUL and void" again due to the next batch of mutations and we'll be in another lockdown.I dunno man, put down the political partisan hat for a short while and maybe you can enjoy a couple club visits, even if it ends up short lived. Perhaps a week in Spain can scratch that itch. Booster shots if needed won't be as big an ordeal. If it all goes to shit, I'm sure you'll get the resistance you've been calling for. It would take martial law to force people through this for a third straight year. Hell, I'll support you if it plays out that way. Not for the same reasons as you, but rather to protest pure government incompetence. I've got 1500 rounds of ammo in my bug out bag. Burn the Reichstag! Storm the Bastille!

Vive La aresistance!

P.S. I think Pistons has a crush on you.

Turgid
04-29-21, 15:22
Did you get your CDC card laminated yet? I wonder how many countries will accept it as an acceptable Covid passport. I did not hear if the US has any plans of actually issuing a real Covid passport. Probably unlikely. That requires a nationwide effort, a separate bureaucracy, yadda yadda not to mention this vaccine officially has an expiration of a year. Most likely, the CDC card is it (which does not have even your picture on it and hence is not much of an ID, but it is something).

Anyway, even if US travelers are accepted in DE, not sure how many will be rushing. Their situation is now worse than here. All the travel related businesses (airlines, Visa / Mastercard, etc) are saying regional travel is opening up -- intra Europe, US to LatAM corridor, etc. Speaking for myself, I will go only if the FKKs are functioning, normal, and girls quality / service is reasonably near pre covid levels. Otherwise, I have no interest in visiting Europe for tourism purpose on my own or w / family (and speaking of FKK visits, the big problem for me is still how to come up with believable stories to leave home for extended periods).Fortunately for me I do not have the problem with coming up with believable stories for travelling to De. For me the problem is how do I stay home if in October I read on the forum of lots of girls in Sharks and Oase.

Mursenary
04-29-21, 18:16
Indian households earn more than ethnic group in the USA. But that is partly due to the fact the immigration process is extremely selective, so only the most talented are being selected to leave India. But if India becomes the next China, then your next Satya Nadella (Microsoft) or Sundar Pichai (Google) will have less reason to leave India. For same reasons, Nigerian diaspora live in Western countries is also extremely successful.Guessing it will take India quite some time to reach China's level. Do they have the infrastructure to support rapid growth and do they have the type of government / society to coordinate that growth efficiently? As they grow more distant from the UK, will that hurt their growth prospects?

Was browsing articles regarding Nigerian international students and saw a statistic that Nigeria was only able to accommodate 600 K university students per year. However, they graduate about 2 million eligible high school students. Hence the propensity to export individuals more likely to succeed. Student visas are the the quickest way to bypass tight immigration standards. Further inspection showed that the top five destinations for Nigerian students were UK, US, Canada, Australia, and Germany. Four of those are English speaking nations. There's a high likelihood that plays a significant role in the type of Nigerians immigrants those nation receive. Germany gains a favorable position because they provide a path to free university education for international students.

Apparently there's a big push from countries like Poland and Malaysia to recruit Nigerian students because the cost of education in Anglo nations is getting too expensive. Nigerian enrollment in UK unis fell 41% from 2015 when they almost broke even with Indians to become UK's second largest international student group. Now they are UK's 6th largest group. Coincidentally that drop aligned with Brexit. Anyway, point is, interconnected with education, natural language destinations likely play a significant role in why we see differing social class of SubSaharan Africans in various nations. Ghana piggybacks on Nigerian trends regarding exporting their students.

Switching gears, China was UK's top student group. Apparently China is the largest international student group in just about every nation. Another purposeful strategy in China's world domination strategy? Pretty genius if so.

While the last four years saw the United States looking more inward, same for EU?, China continued their low key March to building their global network, starting from the nitty gritty. First with their vital role in supply chains, then with financial lending, and the ensuing infrastructure investment in foreign nations, meanwhile sending their people literally all over the world for education. It's pretty scary actually.

I think one of the more consequential but least discussed goofs during the last US presidential administration was the withdrawal from the Trans Pacific Partnership. Looking at only short term losses in margin, we essentially kept the door open for China to fill that void in the long run. Here was an opportunity to firewall China's economic March, and we punted the ball at 4 and short, probably from their 40 yard line to boot.

Pardon my random flow of ideas. Hopefully it remained a logical one. First day of being technically unemployed girls!

Mursenary
04-29-21, 19:24
Russia might not be a communist country but sure as hell is not a free country. You guys are all about shouting "the government is taking away our freedom" but then you admire Putin. What is it with all these "freedom" people that they need to have a big daddy to worship?Familiar situation in my American Deep South. Lots of talk about individual liberties and freedom but when you get to know them, more often than not are more like sheep finding comfort under the watch of a Shepard. Religious associations intended. It's a strange mix of personal independence with gravitation toward Fascist rule of law. I feel a little bad saying it because most are truly good people who mean no one any harm. But there is a bit of hypocrisy and irony to that reality.

To be fair, I had analogous thoughts during my years in California, the western pillar of American Liberalism. I always sensed an air of demeaning judgement when I expressed any conservative opinions. They were not very liberal at all in my experience, not in the literal sense of the word. Certainly most were not free thinkers. Rather, I detected an air of conformist attitudes. The mark of many West Coast Liberals was the stench of social shaming for non socio-political Liberal ideologies. Even non dichotomous third party ideas were scoffed.

They didn't celebrate diversity as much as they claimed. While there was a definite visible ethnic diversity, outside of cultural differences, I never sense much diversity of thought. Yet, social cohesion was somehow also missing. It was a buffet of separate groups that hardly interacted with each other, not in a meaningful level anyway. It was like a society of every group being "special" but noticeably separate. Worse, genuine personalities were hard to come by. Any divergence from the scripted platform and you were deemed closed minded and backward. Yet eccentric weirdness was celebrated. Perhaps it has changed since 15 years ago. I'm just not sure for the better.

I much prefer the brash northeastern liberal culture, a bit more authentic. Or even the far northeast, basically Canadians. The American Midwest and Great Plains conservatives are also admirable in their authenticity. They might be the world's last cowboys. Shoot from the hip, but true to their ideologies.

Whoops, rambled again.

Ararat
04-29-21, 19:27
At some point, the German (and other Western European governments) will have to take off their "proceed with caution" hats and recognize that while their "3rd wave" is viewed through the lens of higher infection numbers, it has not produced a corresponding number of fatalities and hospitalizations.

Angela Merkel isn't exactly popular among certain people but they don't understand what she's bad at. They think she's an evil decision maker but the reality is that Merkel is hesitant and afraid to decide. This was visible during the refugee crisis too.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is the very last country to get rid of restrictions.

Ararat
04-29-21, 19:29
On tiktok ericryanericryan has some funny videos on this just now.Tiktok?

WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?

BigBuddy69
04-29-21, 19:39
Tiktok?

WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?Ariana forever XOXOXOXO!

Rocky V
04-29-21, 19:55
Angela Merkel isn't exactly popular among certain people but they don't understand what she's bad at. They think she's an evil decision maker but the reality is that Merkel is hesitant and afraid to decide. This was visible during the refugee crisis too.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is the very last country to get rid of restrictions.Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope!

Mursenary
04-29-21, 21:23
Angela Merkel isn't exactly popular among certain people but they don't understand what she's bad at. They think she's an evil decision maker but the reality is that Merkel is hesitant and afraid to decide. This was visible during the refugee crisis too.

This is why I wouldn't be surprised if Germany is the very last country to get rid of restrictions.She's a scientist by professional training. So with the lack of concrete data and so many variables, she's probably naturally going to be conservative in her executive decisions regarding easing restrictions. As a politician, she's probably also empowered to keep strict regulations, perhaps due to her authoritarian communist upbringing. Throw in her German-ness and I can see why someone with her collective background would tend toward these strict and ultra conservative policies.

Sharing a similar undergraduate education, professionally, I can personally relate to the way she thinks. But personally, I tend to be a little bit of a cowboy in my decisions. Not a big fan of across-the-board, blanketed rules either so I know I would have already begun easing these restrictions considering the fair amount of recent data and developments, albeit there's not enough concrete data. But that's why I avoid executive positions and organizational power trees. Considering her position as the de facto leader of the free world, I think she did great for most of this Pandemic, especially early on. But she's remaining gun shy a little longer than necessary, in my opinion.

BTW, is she still planning on stepping down this year?

Sirioja
04-29-21, 21:29
Glad you got an ego boast from mere small talk. Cool beans.You were just one more confirming me what I think about 95% guys in brothels = bad level to avoid.

Sirioja
04-29-21, 21:33
So you define "freedom" based on how low the taxes are? Do you even know what freedom means?I can only agree, I love Russia, but not what I call freedom under Putin. Just ask Navalny if he will survive for second time. I often argued with my Russian escorts about Putin ex KGB. China is also not land of freedom.

ShooBree
04-29-21, 22:07
Damn, ya took a step back. Talk to you tomorrow!LMFAO, you should spend more time with a professional psychiatrist and less time writing your delusional BS.

You will always be inferior to the rest of us.

ShooBree
04-29-21, 22:10
Tiktok?

WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?You have 239 posts and all of them are argumentative and irrelevant to the topic of this website. You're a pathetic weirdo, get a hobby.

ShooBree
04-29-21, 22:13
So you define "freedom" based on how low the taxes are? Do you even know what freedom means?Please show where I mentioned anything about freedom? You do know how to read?

ShooBree
04-29-21, 22:36
Russia might not be a communist country but sure as hell is not a free country. You guys are all about shouting "the government is taking away our freedom" but then you admire Putin. What is it with all these "freedom" people that they need to have a big daddy to worship?LOL, where in my post did I mention anything about Putin or "freedom"?

I never knew that the Russian tax system was such a sensitive topic.

Too many feels and no room for facts, LMFAO!

Pessimist
04-29-21, 22:39
Fortunately for me I do not have the problem with coming up with believable stories for travelling to De. For me the problem is how do I stay home if in October I read on the forum of lots of girls in Sharks and Oase.Slowly, companies are indicating they will bring back people to the office. T Rowe Price said today they will be in office by September, Jamie Dimon said the same at JP Morgan. My guess would be that barring a second catastrophe on the scale of India, US will be bringing back more employees to office through summer and more or less pre Covid levels by the fall. If that happens and if by then the German clubs are back to some semblance of normal services, I will make my excuses and go. I am almost forgetting what it is to monger, LOL. Sometimes the past attendance at these clubs feels like an out of body experience.

Mursenary
04-30-21, 01:09
Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope!That's the equivalent of 4 million per day in the US. We never even even got that high. 3. 3 mil max I think. Among nations with substantial population size, only Israel has had a faster vax rate. At 1 million a day, that projects a 75% first dose vaccinated. By June 10th.

One road block however, and even Israel is seeing this: As nations approach 50 percent, rates go down substantially due to the the vaccine apprehension crowd, young adults who will just not make the effort, and others where vaccination is not recommended. Israel is stalling in the low 60's right now and Euro nations will surely meet resistance earlier.

Mursenary
04-30-21, 01:11
You were just one more confirming me what I think about 95% guys in brothels = bad level to avoid.I'm the new bad guy? Yes! Thanks for handing over the title!

Mursenary
04-30-21, 01:15
LMFAO, you should spend more time with a professional psychiatrist and less time writing your delusional BS.

You will always be inferior to the rest of us.Working on it. My life coach encourages writing down my thoughts and here I am! Good advice.


You have 239 posts and all of them are argumentative and irrelevant to the topic of this website. You're a pathetic weirdo, get a hobby.Ah man, 2 days in a row. Where is that sliver of creativity from 2 days ago? Bring back the better you. I believe in you!

Mursenary
04-30-21, 01:20
Slowly, companies are indicating they will bring back people to the office. T Rowe Price said today they will be in office by September, Jamie Dimon said the same at JP Morgan. My guess would be that barring a second catastrophe on the scale of India, US will be bringing back more employees to office through summer and more or less pre Covid levels by the fall. If that happens and if by then the German clubs are back to some semblance of normal services, I will make my excuses and go. I am almost forgetting what it is to monger, LOL. Sometimes the past attendance at these clubs feels like an out of body experience.Some companies such as Delta Airlines Headquarters have switched to an office rotation system. Office employees will switch to a hybrid in situ-WFH schedule, more cost effective. Already, some of my friends are complaining about not having their own dedicated workspace, basically just the high maintenance females.

Mursenary
04-30-21, 02:07
Please show where I mentioned anything about freedom? You do know how to read?
Barely anyone's dying and much of the old people have been vaccinated, it's time for the EU open up the businesses and the internal borders, people can't be oppressed much longer.Found it.

Level II of Reading Comprehension: Inferential reading.

Burn.

Pistons
04-30-21, 02:09
Tiktok?

WTF? Are you a fourteen year old girl?Young and fertile!

It's the diet and absense of toxic medications!

Pistons
04-30-21, 02:21
The mistake is double embarrassing when you also spell Zeus as Zews. 'Hooked On Phonics' didn't work this time.

Lots of religions have shared mythologies but there's hardly a strong case to say that monotheistic Abrahamic religions are based on Polytheistic Mesopotamian religions. You might want to fast forward a thousand years to Zoroastrianism where monotheism and the idea of Satan first took off. You would have a better case if you said Judaism was based on Egyptian Atenism. If sharing fairy tales means "based on," you might as well say that Egyptian mythology is based on Sumerian religion. Most religions share a common flood myth. Maybe Hopi Native Americans are based on Sumer.

And let's see, if serpents represent penises, but they also represent fertility. I'm guessing they're thinking of fucking and procreating, not population control. And with the many references to snakes and fertility in nomadic native American peoples, I'm guessing population control was not a prerogative in sparsely populated North America when American Natives where out there hunting buffalo and mammoths in their loin cloths.

The timeline of Satan and snakes barely makes a dent in the history of serpent myths. It makes no chronological sense as satanic figures didn't even appear until Zoroaster not even a thousand years before Christ. Serpent mythology was around way before then. Hell Snake myths even predate Osirus, Egypt's god of the underworld..1. In Scandinavian languages we write Zews.

2. I am 100% sure the priesthood of Marduk was the first monotheistic religion using some form of Satan figure. Way before Zorastrianism.

3. Egyptian mythology according to the legends came from Atlantis. But since this is legends, I didn't mention it. There was probably something before everything in recorded history.

Pistons
04-30-21, 02:49
LOL, I know I hurt you pretty bad when you literally just grab random shit out of thin air. All out of material eh?

Your tears of frustration taste so sweet. But get over me dude. You're starting to sound like a psycho ex-girlfriend.Ok, my bad! I seem to make one big mistake there. But only one!

You are not a complete loner. From my 100% credible sources (my own eyes), you seem to have a very intimate relationship to a dog!

PaulInZurich
04-30-21, 04:42
Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope!The Hausärzte are now part of the effort, it seems that Germany now has sufficient doses. In Switzerland several cantons now offer vaccines to 50+, a few even to 18+.

Mursenary
04-30-21, 06:37
Ok, my bad! I seem to make one big mistake there. But only one!

You are not a complete loner. From my 100% credible sources (my own eyes), you seem to have a very intimate relationship to a dog!1. Love my alone time, people can wear you out. Difference is that mine is a choice. I actually do real work for a living, around real people, actually interacting with normal human beings who actually have a full spectrum of functioning human emotions, fluid thought process, and logical flow of ideas.

2. Says the boy who can't tell the difference between a 22 year old hooker with a natural body and a 30 year old hooker with pancake when she's leaning 10 feet away.

3. You like my Purebred Siberian Husky? You can't have him! That's my perfect ball of fluff and we love your licky kisses right on the lips. Dogs are quite intuitive of the differences between good and bad energy in humans. He wouldn't enjoy your energy.


1. In Scandinavian languages we write Zews.

2. I am 100% sure the priesthood of Marduk was the first monotheistic religion using some form of Satan figure. Way before Zorastrianism.

3. Egyptian mythology according to the legends came from Atlantis. But since this is legends, I didn't mention it. There was probably something before everything in recorded history.1. On ISG we write in English.

Given the Native speakers tendency of "fact" fabrication and general "bullshittery", I had to verify for myself.

Maybe the Norwegians do some weird shit with their V's but I trust Google in the hands of someone who uses it correctly. Google even gave me a human verified check mark. Very Comforting.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=en&tl=no&text=zeus&op=translate

https://translate.yandex.com/?lang=en-no&text=zeus

https://mymemory.translated.net/en/English/Norwegian/zeus

Final Verdict Z-E-V-S.

How embarrassing. 4 letter word, in their own language. How does someone fuck that up.

2. Monotheism. Mono means one / solo / single right? Like the number that comes after 0 and before 2 correct? Theos means God right? And -ism, as in belief? So Belief in One Single God right?

Well look at this Bullshittery:


Marduk took on increasing significance for the city of Babylon (and later the Assyrian and Neo-Assyrian Empire) becoming finally the most important and powerful god of the Babylonian and wider Mesopotamian pantheon and attaining a level of worship bordering on monotheism. He was regarded as the creator of the heavens and earth, co-creator with Enki of human beings, and originator of divine order following his victory over the forces of chaos led by the goddess Tiamat. Once he legitimized his rule, he conferred upon the other gods their various duties and responsibilities and organized both the world and the netherworld.

The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, tells the story of Marduk's rise to power. In the beginning of time, the universe was undifferentiated swirling chaos which separated into sweet fresh water, known as Apsu (the male principle) and salty bitter water known as Tiamat (the female principle). These two deities then gave birth to the other gods.

https://www.worldhistory.org/Marduk/#:~:text=From%20a%20regional%20agricultural%20deity%2C%20Marduk%20became%20the%20most%20important,his%20work%20during%20the%20day
3. Irrelevant Bullshittery.

For someone who lectures people about google and knowing shit, you sure do suck at it and obviously don't now anything to an acceptable level of competence or depth. Get of off Youtube read a god damn book that's longer than 20 fucking pages, 2 illustrations max, no crayons.

All this from some bullshitterry about ancient medicine, Satanic cults, impaled snake cocks, and population control.

ShooBree
04-30-21, 07:14
Working on it. My life coach encourages writing down my thoughts and here I am! Good advice.

Ah man, 2 days in a row. Where is that sliver of creativity from 2 days ago? Bring back the better you. I believe in you!You're obviously a deranged weirdo, at this point it's not even an insult, it's just a fact.

Sirioja
04-30-21, 07:40
Maybe so but Germany has administered 1.1 million vaccine doses over the last 24 h. At this rate, they will lift restrictions by the summer (I really really hope!After UK, Brazilian, South African, we have now Indian mutant arriving in Western Europe, nevertheless France and I think Germany should be on same time for less restrictions in June, but still no discotheques, so should also remain no brothels for a while, when German elections to come. When Zurich kanton is the place for everything for money, a real drugs market, so they must have a really good reason to keep close brothels: Globe, Aphrodisia, Amesia, Rouge, Swiss Dietikon, big brothel of Switzerland, since December and I m surprised for so long when was only for 3 months on covid arrival, when Angela has to manage for more than 80.000 deaths and even some riots from covid, not so easy job since 16 years she is the woman of Germany. In about 5 months, she may rest a bit, when covid and mutants should still work to kill.

Sirioja
04-30-21, 12:38
When real catastrophe in crowded India, 80% cases there are UK mutant spreading, after in whole Europe, even some Indian mutant already in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium and in France. When India produce our medicines, but UK devil is killing them. Sad Commonwealth with 2 different mutants.

Ararat
04-30-21, 13:06
You have 239 posts and all of them are argumentative and irrelevant to the topic of this website. You're a pathetic weirdo, get a hobby.Not everything is about you. You have three times as many posts.

BigBuddy69
04-30-21, 14:54
Not everything is about you. You have three times as many posts.And 100 % of them are insults and / or fake news.

PaulInZurich
04-30-21, 15:50
After UK, Brazilian, South African, we have now Indian mutant arriving in Western Europe, nevertheless France and I think Germany should be on same time for less restrictions in June, but still no discotheques, so should also remain no brothels for a while, when German elections to come. When Zurich kanton is the place for everything for money, a real drugs market, so they must have a really good reason to keep close brothels: Globe, Aphrodisia, Amesia, Rouge, Swiss Dietikon, big brothel of Switzerland, since December and I m surprised for so long when was only for 3 months on covid arrival, when Angela has to manage for more than 80.000 deaths and even some riots from covid, not so easy job since 16 years she is the woman of Germany. In about 5 months, she may rest a bit, when covid and mutants should still work to kill.You really like to post BS when you have no clue. The only reason ZH canton didn't allow prostitution yet is because the head of the local health department (a woman) is against the opening so far. The only cantons that didn't open up prostitution are ZH and TI, so it's only a matter of time now. Money from brothels is completely irrelevant one way or another in a canton that is the base of many global financial institutions plus other global companies. Brothel money wouldn't even cover coffee costs for the administration.

So far at worst the vaccines have a lower efficacy against existing variants, but they still push the numbers down. Look at UK what happens when mass vaccinations are done, "mutants" or not.

Just for once, don't just post your petty opinions, post something after you have informed yourself and back it up with facts.

Sirioja
04-30-21, 16:58
You really like to post BS when you have no clue. The only reason ZH canton didn't allow prostitution yet is because the head of the local health department (a woman) is against the opening so far. The only cantons that didn't open up prostitution are ZH and TI, so it's only a matter of time now. Money from brothels is completely irrelevant one way or another in a canton that is the base of many global financial institutions plus other global companies. Brothel money wouldn't even cover coffee costs for the administration.

So far at worst the vaccines have a lower efficacy against existing variants, but they still push the numbers down. Look at UK what happens when mass vaccinations are done, "mutants" or not.

Just for once, don't just post your petty opinions, post something after you have informed yourself and back it up with facts.But UK still have restrictions, like ZH which have most of Swiss brothels, but we will believe you for sure: just because of a Swiss woman who doesn't like brothels. I'm sure you can find better explanation, when I m pretty sure Zurich drugs market is working.

Canary
04-30-21, 17:14
Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.

Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.

Should we start to get optimistic?

As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.

I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?

Ararat
04-30-21, 17:21
The only reason ZH canton didn't allow prostitution yet is because the head of the local health department (a woman) is against the opening so far. The only cantons that didn't open up prostitution are ZH and TI, so it's only a matter of time now. Is this something that this person can delay indefinitely or 'too long'? AFAIK, the federal level can't overrule, right?

Ararat
04-30-21, 17:26
Already, some of my friends are complaining about not having their own dedicated workspace, basically just the high maintenance females.This trend was happening before Covid. I just don't understand why it continues because if we've learnt anything it's that office jobs can be done from home so what is the reason to travel to the office? It feels much more likely office days will be to meet people.

I understand that having a dedicated desk may be unnecessary in such environment but the current flexible offices often means you can sit 'anywhere' in the office. Doesn't make much sense but having eg. 5 seats for 7 people in a group could possibly work.

PaulInZurich
04-30-21, 17:53
Is this something that this person can delay indefinitely or 'too long'? AFAIK, the federal level can't overrule, right?She can delay, but not for ever. For now the argument is that if restaurants can't offer dining inside, why should brothels be allowed. The position of the federal government was that they defer the decision to cantons, but if prostitution goes underground it just hides what is happening since no contact tracing is possible. Canton ZH will review the situation end of May.

Pessimist
04-30-21, 18:22
Around here it is fashionable to strut and chest thump in macho bullshit but not all females are high maintenance. At least in the Western nations (or perhaps I should say US with which I am most familiar), there are millions of women making great money and more than their partners. I personally know many. One of my best friends was a managing director at Goldman who retired by mid 40's and is now taking care of kids at home while his Physician wife is making good money. One of the partners at my firm is a female and is a self made millionaire. My own spouse makes several times the national average income. I hate the feminist BS about putting restrictions on mongers as much as anyone else but that is besides the point when it comes to respecting women as equally capable persons in today's society. Perhaps the guys here like to revel in the past.

ExpatLover
04-30-21, 18:30
After UK, Brazilian, South African, we have now Indian mutant arriving in Western Europe, nevertheless France and I think Germany should be on same time for less restrictions in June, but still no discotheques, so should also remain no brothels for a while, when German elections to come. When Zurich kanton is the place for everything for money, a real drugs market, so they must have a really good reason to keep close brothels: Globe, Aphrodisia, Amesia, Rouge, Swiss Dietikon, big brothel of Switzerland, since December and I m surprised for so long when was only for 3 months on covid arrival, when Angela has to manage for more than 80.000 deaths and even some riots from covid, not so easy job since 16 years she is the woman of Germany. In about 5 months, she may rest a bit, when covid and mutants should still work to kill.I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.

Sirioja
04-30-21, 18:32
This trend was happening before Covid. I just don't understand why it continues because if we've learnt anything it's that office jobs can be done from home so what is the reason to travel to the office? It feels much more likely office days will be to meet people.

I understand that having a dedicated desk may be unnecessary in such environment but the current flexible offices often means you can sit 'anywhere' in the office. Doesn't make much sense but having eg. 5 seats for 7 people in a group could possibly work.When your job is to produce, not only working on computer from your bed, then, even under virus, You have to go on the field, and virus complicated a lot about safety conditions, furthermore when You are responsible in front of law for this. I didn't wait Chinese or UK killers, to make my office in my car which is also my fast sleeping bed, multi functions driver seat, for working, eating, sleeping I love with my friends bicycle or ski, I will take both on this Summer, driving sometimes but much less since covid, just not for toilets, but easier for guys.

Mursenary
04-30-21, 19:05
You're obviously a deranged weirdo, at this point it's not even an insult, it's just a fact.Uh oh, Day 3 in a roll, not a good sign. You have to put your heart into it buddy. Try warming up with word storms and mind mapping. Use that thesaurus. You can do this!

ShooBree
04-30-21, 19:36
Not everything is about you. You have three times as many posts.You have zero posts about mongering, and 242 posts containing nothing but insults and irrelevant BS.

You're a pathetic little troll.

ShooBree
04-30-21, 19:42
And 100 % of them are insults and / or fake news.It's hilarious to see the big troll lie in post after post. He's a mentally unstable troll.

Mursenary
05-01-21, 01:04
Around here it is fashionable to strut and chest thump in macho bullshit but not all females are high maintenance. At least in the Western nations (or perhaps I should say US with which I am most familiar), there are millions of women making great money and more than their partners. I personally know many. One of my best friends was a managing director at Goldman who retired by mid 40's and is now taking care of kids at home while his Physician wife is making good money. One of the partners at my firm is a female and is a self made millionaire. My own spouse makes several times the national average income. I hate the feminist BS about putting restrictions on mongers as much as anyone else but that is besides the point when it comes to respecting women as equally capable persons in today's society. Perhaps the guys here like to revel in the past.Dude,

I literally said "the high maintenance females". In no way does that mean "all females are high maintenance. " I was thinking of one person in particular. Did someone else say something more chauvinistic?

If not, and unless you think that no females at all are high maintenance, I think your sermon was due to you reading the post wrong.

Mursenary
05-01-21, 02:03
I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.Good point. I suspect many people here probably already saw the Bill Gates TedTalk from 2015 where he discussed (predicted / warn) about this coming problem, 5 years before it happened. Sadly, instead of giving him credit for putting facts and trends together in order to make a solid prediction, it led to many conspiracy theorists claiming that he purposefully caused this pandemic.

https://youtu.be/6Af6b_wyiwI

Pahllus Maximus
05-01-21, 02:16
The German govt and the entire world has it wrong. If everyone wore Gypsy tears as I do, there would be no COVID and no disease, even democrat voters would be cured.

I'm sure this simple, traditional medicine is a victim of UFO / CIA / fake moon landing / cover up / conspiracy and general intrigue.

Luckily I can go home to Kazakhstan where several donkeys await my attentions until FKK re opens. Any they understand me when I explain my theories and read Mursenary and Shoo Bree posts. They think its funny "HEE HAW".

Mursenary
05-01-21, 03:23
The German govt and the entire world has it wrong. If everyone wore Gypsy tears as I do, there would be no COVID and no disease, even democrat voters would be cured.

I'm sure this simple, traditional medicine is a victim of UFO / CIA / fake moon landing / cover up / conspiracy and general intrigue.

Luckily I can go home to Kazakhstan where several donkeys await my attentions until FKK re opens. Any they understand me when I explain my theories and read Mursenary and Shoo Bree posts. They think its funny "HEE HAW".Want to rephrase that for us laymen? Too abstract of a thought flow for me to comprehend. Anyone else care to explain this prose / poetry for me?

PaulInZurich
05-01-21, 05:43
But UK still have restrictions, like ZH which have most of Swiss brothels, but we will believe you for sure: just because of a Swiss woman who doesn't like brothels. I'm sure you can find better explanation, when I m pretty sure Zurich drugs market is working.I fail to follow the logic in these 2 sentences above. Yes, UK still has restrictions and they have a plan about lifting restrictions, nobody said that there are no restrictions in the UK right now. Look where UK was with regards number of hospitalizations and restrictions in January and look where they are now. What happened? Hard lockdown followed by mass vaccinations, "mutants" and all.

Canton ZH restrictions are based on federal restrictions plus additional canton ZH measures, because that is how a federal system works. Yes, health related decisions in canton ZH are made by Natalie Rickli, head of the cantonal health department. She has to follow federal health guidelines, but has some room for additional decisions at cantonal level. What is so difficult to understand about that? Most important current measures at federal level are that home office is mandatory wherever possible, restaurants, bars etc can only serve outside, masks mandatory in public transit and for people who have to work indoors. A review of the cantonal decisions will be made end of May, they might or might not decide to lift the prostitution ban, because the criteria when to rescind the prostitution ban are not defined. If however, hospitalizations keep going down and vaccination progress is good, it will be hard to continue to argue that everything should stay closed.

Yes, there are drugs in Zurich, just like everywhere else. How does that have anything to do with the level of lockdowns?

The federal government has presented a plan not so long ago. The Buenzli bureaucrats in Bern finally came up with something.

Phase 1- current phase: first vaccinate vulnerable population, measures stay as is.

Phase 2 - stabilization: vaccines are available for everybody. They stop looking at number of cases, but keep watching number of hospitalizations and ICU capacity. Current view is that by end of June willing population will have received at least one dose, by end of July the second dose. Situation will be evaluated again before 26 May, some restrictions might be lifted depending on the epidemiological situation. They cite as possibilities: home office no longer mandatory, on site learning for universities, allowing restaurants to serve inside. They mention as possible reducing restrictions with regards bars, discotheques. Once vaccination rate is 40 - 50%, something like a corona pass will allow some privileges for vaccinated people, people recovered from Covid, people with a valid test. Vaccination or recovery from covid, pass is valid long term, valid PCR test, pass is valid for a few days.

Phase 3 - normalization: remaining restrictions will be lifted gradually , including those for mass gatherings (sports events, concerts, etc).

PaulInZurich
05-01-21, 06:05
This trend was happening before Covid. I just don't understand why it continues because if we've learnt anything it's that office jobs can be done from home so what is the reason to travel to the office? It feels much more likely office days will be to meet people.

I understand that having a dedicated desk may be unnecessary in such environment but the current flexible offices often means you can sit 'anywhere' in the office. Doesn't make much sense but having eg. 5 seats for 7 people in a group could possibly work.Most new or renovated office space is built with flexible seating for a while now. The argument was that in a larger company you will always have people on vacation, at client or supplier site, travelling, taking courses, sick days etc, so why have a guaranteed desk for every single person. The last year and a bit accelerated this and hopefully opened the eyes of bosses who believe that productivity is related to the number of hours spent in the office.

There are downsides as well, with remote work it's difficult to have a productive session with 5-7 people working together around a whiteboard. Communication via video calls is less efficient than face to face meetings and tools are clunky.

From the people I know at work most would prefer to continue with home office most days unless there is a ZH only meeting. We have to work with people in US and APAC all the time, so there is no difference if I call them from home or from the office. Personally I want to call them from the Globe terrace while I am getting a BJ.

Sirioja
05-01-21, 08:10
I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.For sure, China and India with 40% population are big risk for our world and not only for virus, but also for pollution killing our planet with also so many deaths, or sick or handicaped people. I m very sad to see so beautiful real white bears losing their ice home, having to go to find to eat in humans dustbins, like beggars. Maybe why UK also sent to India their killer gift, after our brexit gift, when 80% UK cases in Indian catastrophe. I just wish EU will learn from this crisis to protect much better, when vaccine is not enough to stop spreading, furthermore about mutants. But unfortunately, people forget so fast.

Sirioja
05-01-21, 08:25
Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.

Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.

Should we start to get optimistic?

As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.

I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?Hessen didn't reopen on 2020 when some Saarland or NRW brothels did on last September. I m not sure brothels are good point for safety to be elected for after Angela, when more washing machines than employment for Germans. But I m pretty sure Sharks will reopen one day, then maybe meeting again my German friend, one of my very rare in this business full of jealousy.

Downandup
05-01-21, 08:41
Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.

...

As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.There is hope and eventually Europe (not just Germany) will be able to vaccinate the population but it won't be that soon. But assuming that these vaccinations do continue at this pace then it will take longer for the effects to be realised. I'd expect that you will see infection rates decline to the levels that the UK currently has in three months and then at least two more months of staged lowering of restrictions very much like the UK. September may be the earliest but it might be November before the FKK's will be open as they will be last to exit restrictions.

ExpatLover
05-01-21, 09:28
There is hope and eventually Europe (not just Germany) will be able to vaccinate the population but it won't be that soon. But assuming that these vaccinations do continue at this pace then it will take longer for the effects to be realised. I'd expect that you will see infection rates decline to the levels that the UK currently has in three months and then at least two more months of staged lowering of restrictions very much like the UK. September may be the earliest but it might be November before the FKK's will be open as they will be last to exit restrictions.UK has 1 of the worst results in fighting the pandemy, nobody knows how efficient the vaccines will be against the new variants specially the Indian one knowing the strong interactions between UK and India the risks are high to see them spreading all over UK. The coming months will tell us if the vaccines are able to successfully fight against the mutants and will confirm that UK made the right decisions.

Pistons
05-01-21, 10:01
Well look at this Bullshittery:You really are a waste of bandwidth. Nothing in your post is relevant at all. And you even quoted that the Maeduk priesthood bordered on monotheism! LOL!

Even Christianity has some indications of more than one God.

Just read the start of Genesis, and you will find the word Elohim (plural unbound form) several times!

It even says that they (the elohim) made humans in their image!

Christian theologians claim this is referring to the father, son and the holy spirit. But no. It cannot, because in Hebrew, Elohe is the word that both describes single form and plural bound form. And the combination of the father, son and the holy spirit is of course plural bound form (which is by the way why the Jewish and Muslims are 100% correct in trashing this trivinity). The plural bound form, as well as singular form are both called Elohe in Hebrew. Any Hebrew scholar knows this. As clear as day! And both of these referrals are always translated at God, or The Lord in the western Bible, either in singular or plural bound form (trivinity). So Elohim must be plural unbound form: meaning several gods, or as the Jewish claims: messengers plus God. But that is of course just another term lesser gods, as there is only one ruler at a time. And thus Christianity cannot be a pure monotheistic religion either!. Same with Islam and Judaism. They all lie about it. In Judaism for example, Asherah is the wife of YHWH. P.S. Asherah is also the wife of An (Sumerian).

The trivinity (or what you want to call it). God, son and the holy spirit is a concept taken from Egyptian religion where Pteh (the father), Amen (the son) and Ra (the holy spirit, or the sun god) was fused into one: Amen-Ra. But this also came after the Marduk priesthood, but before Zorastrianism. It is also a clear link between Christianity and this version of Egyptian beliefs on Amen-Ra, that we end all prayers by calling on Amen.

Of course one can always discuss what lies in the word monotheism. It is probably a slow change throughout several religions. In the strictest sense we don't have any monotheistic religions even today as I described. And in the weakest sense the priesthood of Marduk was the first.

But one can argue that YHWH is not a person, but a title. And the same can be said about the original An. In which case the Jewish are pretty close to the original story. At least the closest.

Pistons
05-01-21, 10:10
The alien declassification (or lie) by the world governments would make a lot of sense on many levels right before the end of this pandemic. Or even now this summer.

Even more so if the story regarding aliens would be a complete hoax in order to shift blame, unite, or shift focus. Either or more of which.

A lot of things are leading up to this. Among others that Israeli general who talked about the galactic federation a few months ago. And before the decade is over, we might have so many people chipped in one particular city that it will be able to manipulate them into seeing fake alien holograms.

For one, the theological scam won't work without aliens going forward either, as any smart person will know about religious history. And so it leads back to the Sumerians and Egyptians or even the Hindu legends where there were no gods. They all talked about some sort of alien beings coming down in space ships pretty much.

In either case, the brainwashed will continue being brainwashed also after covid-19. And especially the wannabes here on ISG.

Pistons
05-01-21, 12:34
I was waiting desperately a long time before someone will put this topic in the light, so I am taking the risk. When I was young many many years back, demography was a important concern and many specialists were emphasizing that 5 billions is the maximum before the problems will start. Today we are 7, 8 may be 9 billions but nobody is taking the risk to speak about it just because when we look where and from which religion, which skin color. The increase is coming immediately the word racism is popping up, but for sure not from the white Christan.Exactly!

Not to mention that we don't really have to age.

https://youtu.be/9nXop2lLDa4

Imagine the overpopulation if everyone were helped by real doctors to live forever?

ShooBree
05-01-21, 12:54
Uh oh, Day 3 in a roll, not a good sign. You have to put your heart into it buddy. Try warming up with word storms and mind mapping. Use that thesaurus. You can do this!Unlike you I don't live my life on this website.

You need help.

ShooBree
05-01-21, 12:55
The German govt and the entire world has it wrong. If everyone wore Gypsy tears as I do, there would be no COVID and no disease, even democrat voters would be cured.

I'm sure this simple, traditional medicine is a victim of UFO / CIA / fake moon landing / cover up / conspiracy and general intrigue.

Luckily I can go home to Kazakhstan where several donkeys await my attentions until FKK re opens. Any they understand me when I explain my theories and read Mursenary and Shoo Bree posts. They think its funny "HEE HAW".Get well soon.

BigBuddy69
05-01-21, 16:16
Just read the start of Genesis, and you will find the word Elohim (plural unbound form) several times!

It even says that they (the elohim) made humans in their image!.That's what Rael says in France. He is the guru from a famous cult in France, maybe I should tell him to come here to hire new recruits. I think it's really time for you to stop LSD or cocaine. Maybe some binge listening of Ariana Grande will help.

Mursenary
05-01-21, 17:37
Get well soon.Better. Sharp, to the point. Bravo.

Sirioja
05-01-21, 19:10
Most new or renovated office space is built with flexible seating for a while now. The argument was that in a larger company you will always have people on vacation, at client or supplier site, travelling, taking courses, sick days etc, so why have a guaranteed desk for every single person. The last year and a bit accelerated this and hopefully opened the eyes of bosses who believe that productivity is related to the number of hours spent in the office.

There are downsides as well, with remote work it's difficult to have a productive session with 5-7 people working together around a whiteboard. Communication via video calls is less efficient than face to face meetings and tools are clunky.

From the people I know at work most would prefer to continue with home office most days unless there is a ZH only meeting. We have to work with people in US and APAC all the time, so there is no difference if I call them from home or from the office. Personally I want to call them from the Globe terrace while I am getting a BJ.Don't make dream guys here, when forbidden on roof, but only little room between showers and lift, or You can impress your WG calling from room the other side of the world. Some like to show what we write to girls in room, paying time with girls for this, or maybe 30 mn are too long for sex for them. I may be as slow for sex as I try to be fast driving.

Ararat
05-01-21, 19:27
You have zero posts about mongering, and 242 posts containing nothing but insults and irrelevant BS.

You're a pathetic little troll.Bror,

No need to lie about such easily falsifiable things.

I understand it could be ok in your culture to do such things but this isn't a bazaar or the Blocket car sales section.

Sirioja
05-01-21, 19:33
I fail to follow the logic in these 2 sentences above. Yes, UK still has restrictions and they have a plan about lifting restrictions, nobody said that there are no restrictions in the UK right now. Look where UK was with regards number of hospitalizations and restrictions in January and look where they are now. What happened? Hard lockdown followed by mass vaccinations, "mutants" and all.

Canton ZH restrictions are based on federal restrictions plus additional canton ZH measures, because that is how a federal system works. Yes, health related decisions in canton ZH are made by Natalie Rickli, head of the cantonal health department. She has to follow federal health guidelines, but has some room for additional decisions at cantonal level. What is so difficult to understand about that? Most important current measures at federal level are that home office is mandatory wherever possible, restaurants, bars etc can only serve outside, masks mandatory in public transit and for people who have to work indoors. A review of the cantonal decisions will be made end of May, they might or might not decide to lift the prostitution ban, because the criteria when to rescind the prostitution ban are not defined. If however, hospitalizations keep going down and vaccination progress is good, it will be hard to continue to argue that everything should stay closed..I'm sure ZH brothels like Globe or Aphrodisia or Swiss will reopen, no doubt for me, but my meaning was when only closed for 3 months under first wave which was unknown situation with new virus, but closed for much longer under second and third wave, maybe because mutants are more dangerous since end of last year than original Chinese? Was not same Swiss woman to take decision 1 year ago? But longer lockdown now in ZH, when Germany also suffered much more since end of last year, under strict lockdown with schools closed since Christmas. Your ZH woman must have real reasons for longer lockdown and I m fully sure much more important reasons than caring about Romanian WGs who are most of the prostitution business, even in ZH.

Sirioja
05-01-21, 19:37
I fail to follow the logic in these 2 sentences above. Yes, UK still has restrictions and they have a plan about lifting restrictions, nobody said that there are no restrictions in the UK right now. Look where UK was with regards number of hospitalizations and restrictions in January and look where they are now. What happened? Hard lockdown followed by mass vaccinations, "mutants" and all.

Canton ZH restrictions are based on federal restrictions plus additional canton ZH measures, because that is how a federal system works. Yes, health related decisions in canton ZH are made by Natalie Rickli, head of the cantonal health department. She has to follow federal health guidelines, but has some room for additional decisions at cantonal level. What is so difficult to understand about that? Most important current measures at federal level are that home office is mandatory wherever possible, restaurants, bars etc can only serve outside, masks mandatory in public transit and for people who have to work indoors. A review of the cantonal decisions will be made end of May, they might or might not decide to lift the prostitution ban, because the criteria when to rescind the prostitution ban are not defined. If however, hospitalizations keep going down and vaccination progress is good, it will be hard to continue to argue that everything should stay closed.

Yes, there are drugs in Zurich, just like everywhere else. How does that have anything to do with the level of lockdowns?I'm sure ZH brothels like Globe or Aphrodisia or Swiss will reopen, no doubt for me, but my meaning was when only closed for 3 months under first wave which was unknown situation with new virus, but closed for much longer under second and third wave, maybe because mutants are more dangerous since end of last year than original Chinese? Was not same Swiss woman to take decision 1 year ago? But longer lockdown now in ZH, when Germany also suffered much more since end of last year, under strict lockdown with schools closed since Christmas. Your ZH woman must have real reasons for longer lockdown and I'm fully sure much more important reasons than caring about Romanian WGs who are most of the prostitution business, even in ZH. I won't blame her nor Angela to try to protect their citizens. Only guys who become mad from addiction or painful balls can blame them.

Sirioja
05-01-21, 20:43
UK has 1 of the worst results in fighting the pandemy, nobody knows how efficient the vaccines will be against the new variants specially the Indian one knowing the strong interactions between UK and India the risks are high to see them spreading all over UK. The coming months will tell us if the vaccines are able to successfully fight against the mutants and will confirm that UK made the right decisions.After spreading in EU and India where 80% cases are UK, not Indian mutant, UK seem better now than 4 months ago and can only be happy for them, but wait and see after Summer when vaccine don t last forever. Indian mutant may be not so strong than UK and Brazilian, when Indian is already in EU and UK. I give my turn for vaccine to those who need or want, I wait to test my lungs and heart on June, would be impossible to make so intense effort being infected by covid, like I did my numerous tests on last Summer. Look forward, but I wish for no rain, not like on Swiss Romandie tour on this week, real nightmare for poor guys, maybe why I didn't see too heavy Sagan performing in front on Thyon 2000 climbing which would be quite easy for me compare to my Summer usual climbings. Weight is enemy in front of Newton, and unfortunately in front of covid for obese = IMC 30,40% US being obese, maybe why they are still number 1 for deaths, even Bolsonaro works hard to become new number 1 , and more and more children in Europe, thanks to MacDo and Cola to kill our children health and won t help for their sexual performances after learning from porn but with smaller size, even not all harders are impressive size, when sport help to be hard, not needing viagra, even after 50 yo, girls saying: You are big and really hard, really red full of blood pressure.

Pistons
05-01-21, 21:14
Get well soon.Not really. The case here we are dealing with is a population reduction polt where maybe about 2,5-3 billion people will perish. In that case, do we really need PhallusMaximus going forward? Or should we give the survival ticket to some hot Bulgarian or Romanian girl instead?

The vaccine is the most dangerous bioweapon. More dangerous than covid itself. So just let Phallus get a shot!

Pistons
05-01-21, 21:16
According to some spiritism I did two or three years ago, we will end up with a global population of about 4 5 billion when this depopulation plot is over.

Pistons
05-01-21, 21:38
By the way, who in here, especially among our wannabe group (mursenary, phallus, bigb and paulinzurich) are vaccinated?

(I am ready with the toast Hammertime! Got some great gin here!

Pessimist
05-01-21, 21:46
Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.

Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.

Should we start to get optimistic?

As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.

I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?Anyone know how these club owners are making out through this pandemic? Did they have any have rescue / stimulus plans as we did here in the US for small businesses? Loan forgiveness? Other help?

If some owners are in distress and forced to sell their partial or full stakes, any guess how that might impact club openings and other services?

We keep thinking only from our pov and think clubs could open as soon as infections are under control which may be true; but a ton of work needs to happen behind the scenes for clubs to open, especially from owners and managers who are financially strapped in all likelihood.

Kuni042
05-02-21, 00:04
Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.

Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.

Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 00:13
Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.

Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.

Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.Strategy to win elections? When I thought Trump and Bolsonaro were the craziest.

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 02:07
... maybe why I didn't see too heavy Sagan performing..From the Tour de Romandie official website, Peter Sagan Taille 184 cm Poids 73 kg. Is your eye based scale wrong or since you said you are 25 kg lighter you must be 48 kg. Need any help opening the ketchup bottle?

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 02:23
Don't make dream guys here, when forbidden on roof, but only little room between showers and lift, or You can impress your WG calling from room the other side of the world. Some like to show what we write to girls in room, paying time with girls for this, or maybe 30 mn are too long for sex for them. I may be as slow for sex as I try to be fast driving.Sorry to disappoint you, I have no need to impress the WGs. I never tell them I write in a forum and based on what I write no WG could ever recognize me. I am sure they would recognize you based on your writing immediately, you are truly "special."

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 02:34
I give my turn for vaccine to those who need or want, I wait to test my lungs and heart on June, would be impossible to make so intense effort being infected by covid, like I did my numerous tests on last Summer...How can you still not understand after all this time? Regardless of how low risk the disease is for the individual person, everybody can get infected. There are enough cases of professional sport people who got infected who are 20+ years younger and orders of magnitude fitter than you. While you have it, even with zero symptoms, you can transmit it to other people. Maybe you are protected if people with low IQ can't catch the virus. The studies for this are still outstanding.

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 02:42
Your ZH woman must have real reasons for longer lockdown and I'm fully sure much more important reasons than caring about Romanian WGs who are most of the prostitution business, even in ZH.Interesting expectation you have here that politicians make only logical decisions based on facts. Strange expectation coming from somebody who doesn't understand logic or facts.

Rocky V
05-02-21, 10:32
Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.

Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.

Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.That's great news and I think they may open in July / August if they keep up the vaccination rate. I also got my first shot last week, the second one will be in July and then I will be ready to play!

Rocky V
05-02-21, 10:37
Anyone know how these club owners are making out through this pandemic? Did they have any have rescue / stimulus plans as we did here in the US for small businesses? Loan forgiveness? Other help?

If some owners are in distress and forced to sell their partial or full stakes, any guess how that might impact club openings and other services?

We keep thinking only from our pov and think clubs could open as soon as infections are under control which may be true; but a ton of work needs to happen behind the scenes for clubs to open, especially from owners and managers who are financially strapped in all likelihood.I believe they have received support as any other business, but Germany-based mongers may be able to confirm this. I only know that some clubs are actually using this time to make some improvements and renovations (like FKK Sharks) and some have changed hands (FKK Acapulco Velbert is re-launching as FKK Prime https://fkk-prime.de). I've also heard that GT Bruggen owner died and so it may change management soon.

Rocky V
05-02-21, 10:42
Not really. The case here we are dealing with is a population reduction polt where maybe about 2,5-3 billion people will perish. In that case, do we really need PhallusMaximus going forward? Or should we give the survival ticket to some hot Bulgarian or Romanian girl instead?

The vaccine is the most dangerous bioweapon. More dangerous than covid itself. So just let Phallus get a shot!You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.

Rocky V
05-02-21, 10:48
Just read in a German newspaper that the infection rates have dropped for three consecutive days and vaccinations are starting to rapidly increase with over a million people (1% of the population) vaccinated in just a day.

Very early days I appreciate but this data followed the same trend that occurred in the UK during the early days where now the levels are down to minimum figures.

Should we start to get optimistic?

As I said if it continues to follow the UK trend Germany could be 2/3 months away from fully reopening.

I'm feeling a little more optimistic that just maybe I will see the sun in the Sharks garden late summer?Yes, Germany has had a 15% reduction in new cases and 10% reduction in deaths this week compared to the previous one. 28.8 million doses given by 29 April. Fingers crossed this keeps going in the right direction.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 14:24
Anyone know how these club owners are making out through this pandemic? Did they have any have rescue / stimulus plans as we did here in the US for small businesses? Loan forgiveness? Other help?

If some owners are in distress and forced to sell their partial or full stakes, any guess how that might impact club openings and other services?

We keep thinking only from our pov and think clubs could open as soon as infections are under control which may be true; but a ton of work needs to happen behind the scenes for clubs to open, especially from owners and managers who are financially strapped in all likelihood.Do you worry about brothels owners or staff? I worry much more about so many people all over the world who lost their job. Many brothels are kind of washing machines with Hells around. GT and LR real owner put women in front of him for responsibility, but he should not have anymore problems, as it was written, but same like for Vertigo 2.0, don't know if true. I don t worry much about brothels, nor WGs, because not serious business for me. Not real job for girls, just fast big money.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 14:42
From the Tour de Romandie official website, Peter Sagan Taille 184 cm Poids 73 kg. Is your eye based scale wrong or since you said you are 25 kg lighter you must be 48 kg. Need any help opening the ketchup bottle?If real, then he should climb faster than on last week, when no Zoncolan nor French Loze steep. You have really no knowledge about body shape and weight, just to repeat such internet figures. I don t believe all data on internet, I m able to think by myself and for sure he is not improving on not so steep climbings when cold and rain should have helped him, lowering average level.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 15:16
Interesting expectation you have here that politicians make only logical decisions based on facts. Strange expectation coming from somebody who doesn't understand logic or facts.I just don't agree with you and I'm fully sure not only 1 Swiss woman decision, when she might also decide 1 year ago for ZH. When ZH is big brothel for Switzerland, maybe a risk for citizens safety at the moment. Isn't ZH still under lockdown since many months and for more than only brothels? Which may not be the most important point for decision about lockdown, except for few who seem to suffer from painful balls here. Much less brothels in other kantons. Just be patient, Globe will reopen one day. You can go to others if you are in hurry.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 15:49
How can you still not understand after all this time? Regardless of how low risk the disease is for the individual person, everybody can get infected. There are enough cases of professional sport people who got infected who are 20+ years younger and orders of magnitude fitter than you. While you have it, even with zero symptoms, you can transmit it to other people. Maybe you are protected if people with low IQ can't catch the virus. The studies for this are still outstanding.I don't know what tell You Swiss doctors, not what is written on internet, but French doctors tell us vaccine don t prevent from catching and still giving spreading, but protect You not to be heavily sick, not sure about mutants and for how long. I trust more French doctors than internet data, when they tell more safe to keep on mask even after vaccine. From my experience since covid arrival more than 1 year ago and many girls, knowing a bit my body from my sport, my only tests were my climbings performances, when unfortunately no ski on 2 last Winters for first time since I was not 3 yet, so I let my turn to many obese, asthmatic, diabetic, heart and lungs problems who should not have anymore risk after my vaccine dose. Do you think girls in brothels are vaccinated? When Zeus and Cleo say they are tested, how often? I look forward making my own tests in my mountains, no lies there under effort. Lungs and heart will tell, same like on last Summer. But I advice to all those who need or want, to vaccine, of course. Better not to follow me when we are all different as say girls.

Pessimist
05-02-21, 16:02
Do you worry about brothels owners or staff? I worry much more about so many people all over the world who lost their job. Many brothels are kind of washing machines with Hells around. GT and LR real owner put women in front of him for responsibility, but he should not have anymore problems, as it was written, but same like for Vertigo 2.0, don't know if true. I don t worry much about brothels, nor WGs, because not serious business for me. Not real job for girls, just fast big money.I worry about many people but I try to express each worry in a relevant place. What good would it do if I express my concern for local autistic children in an international monger forum and concern for international mongers and Romanian WGs in a local autistic children's forum?

You do have a point about some owners being extra legal; hence their inability to withstand business losses may not be the same as those of legitimate businesses. That said, not even crime is immune to a pandemic driven lock down.

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 16:07
If real, then he should climb faster than on last week, when no Zoncolan nor French Loze steep. You have really no knowledge about body shape and weight, just to repeat such internet figures. I don t believe all data on internet, I m able to think by myself and for sure he is not improving on not so steep climbings when cold and rain should have helped him, lowering average level.So the official website of the competition knows less than your eye based scale looking at the TV. You won't accept reality even if Sagan would weigh himself in front of you on a calibrated scale. You don't even realize that since you can't accept so easily proven facts, nothing you say, in whatever topic is believable .

This is the equivalent of a toddler putting two fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting "la la la la".

BigBuddy69
05-02-21, 16:52
You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.Here you go!

https://youtu.be/vm4JJWIhQXo?t=41

Sirioja
05-02-21, 16:54
Sorry to disappoint you, I have no need to impress the WGs. I never tell them I write in a forum and based on what I write no WG could ever recognize me. I am sure they would recognize you based on your writing immediately, you are truly "special."Do you think I claim to girls I write here? Do you know many guys are better to tell girls, to send whatsapp to Megan or others about my writings, rather than performing for sex. But you wrote you saw my experience at Globe, so you should know around my weight to be able to open ananas bottles or to press oranges on Sunday brunch, when ketchup is not good to be fit, I ask for tomatoes at Globe, with my pastas. If I saw you, I could tell you if you have a climber body or not, even under robe. I don't understand why girls need to read us, when some at Globe do. I meant you can't call from the roof being sucked by your girl, but you can from a room, to impress her as a businessman calling US. I only try to impress WGs with my manners to treat them when we are together and usually they return to me, like busy Kate or Joana. De did on all my visits and not only them, my test when I would not be able to run again, after discovery, and pretty same everywhere in Switzerland, Germany, Austria. I need girls decide to come to me, waking up my desire.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 17:06
I worry about many people but I try to express each worry in a relevant place. What good would it do if I express my concern for local autistic children in an international monger forum and concern for international mongers and Romanian WGs in a local autistic children's forum?

You do have a point about some owners being extra legal; hence their inability to withstand business losses may not be the same as those of legitimate businesses. That said, not even crime is immune to a pandemic driven lock down.Maybe not all, but I'm pretty sure many German brothels will reopen as soon allowed by law, even GT didn't reopen on September 2020. I don't know when about elections to come which won t help, but don t worry about this. As long business is good, will also have many WGs when peste will need a new Mercedes. Business don t seem so good on reopening on 2020. I wonder if girls who moved to Switzerland will return for German rate.

Sirioja
05-02-21, 17:36
So the official website of the competition knows less than your eye based scale looking at the TV. You won't accept reality even if Sagan would weigh himself in front of you on a calibrated scale. You don't even realize that since you can't accept so easily proven facts, nothing you say, in whatever topic is believable .

This is the equivalent of a toddler putting two fingers in his ears, closing his eyes and shouting "la la la la".You seem kind of guy who believe all what is written on internet. I don t, I prefer to listen to doctors and sports specialists. If You knew a bit about sports, You would know round muscles are heavy, long muscles are less and more performing for long time intense effort. Yes Sagan is a puncher, sprinter, even seems less fast now, but I think Gerent Thomas is closer to 73 kgs than him and I didn't see him following Thomas who is not a real climber like Bernal or Quintana or Pinot when not sick. I remember Davide Formolo was Bora leader in mountains, not Sagan. You can check on internet, I don t need, I know from Stelvio, land of climbers, reality there, not internet.

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 17:37
You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.Or a link to an article that says the opposite of what his claim is.

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 17:44
I just don't agree with you and I'm fully sure not only 1 Swiss woman decision, when she might also decide 1 year ago for ZH. When ZH is big brothel for Switzerland, maybe a risk for citizens safety at the moment. Isn't ZH still under lockdown since many months and for more than only brothels? Which may not be the most important point for decision about lockdown, except for few who seem to suffer from painful balls here. Much less brothels in other kantons. Just be patient, Globe will reopen one day. You can go to others if you are in hurry.You really like to get a regular spanking, don't you? Here is the "lockdown" in Zürich, like in the rest of Switzerland. Restaurants and bars are open outside, gyms are open, including inside. Schools are open, from primary to universities. Parks are full of people, there is no curfew.

PaulInZurich
05-02-21, 17:51
I don't know what tell You Swiss doctors, not what is written on internet, but French doctors tell us vaccine don t prevent from catching and still giving spreading, but protect You not to be heavily sick, not sure about mutants and for how long. I trust more French doctors than internet data, when they tell more safe to keep on mask even after vaccine. From my experience since covid arrival more than 1 year ago and many girls, knowing a bit my body from my sport, my only tests were my climbings performances, when unfortunately no ski on 2 last Winters for first time since I was not 3 yet, so I let my turn to many obese, asthmatic, diabetic, heart and lungs problems who should not have anymore risk after my vaccine dose. Do you think girls in brothels are vaccinated? When Zeus and Cleo say they are tested, how often? I look forward making my own tests in my mountains, no lies there under effort. Lungs and heart will tell, same like on last Summer. But I advice to all those who need or want, to vaccine, of course. Better not to follow me when we are all different as say girls.Is it the French doctor who brought up the hydroxychloroquine BS? I am not going to bother to post links to studies on Lancet or NEJM since they are not written for toddlers. Do you see how open Israel is, even events with mass participation? Why do you think that is happening? If you say it's the warm weather, please explain what is happening in India and Brazil.

Give it another couple of months when the corona pass shows up and you will see how WGs get vaccinated.

Pistons
05-02-21, 18:24
You forgot to add a YouTube link in support of these claims.I don't need youtube links. This is simple logic and truth among the well informed.

Beijing4987
05-02-21, 18:27
I know that some here like to spar against those who spout jibberish, but if you continue to quote them it only offers encouragement. Can we simply state our point, and hopefully, after a while only argue about mongering topics, but Covid certainly will affect mongering for a good while longer. There is the old standby, ignore button, which allows one to avoid BS and long boring posts. I'the like to see a "do not quote" button.

HammerTime96
05-02-21, 18:34
Given current speed, but also pretty sound predictions (https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Durchimpfung-bis-Ende-Juli-ist-moeglich-article22526205.html), a realistic scenario is that by Aug the majority of Germans are fully vaccinated.

Consequentially Sep would be a good timeframe for reopening. Optimists like me, might even hope for July / Aug. But I guess folks will only be granted access if immunized. I have just got my first shot last week.

Pessimists dream up all kinds of other possibilities (new sars-cov2-variants, etc), and then everything is of course unclear.September 1st? Great! Just in time for the autumn flu season and the next round of lockdowns! LOL!

Spoiler alert: why do you think Merkel changed the law to allow her to unilaterally impose lockdowns upon all the individual federal states?


Yes, Germany has had a 15% reduction in new cases and 10% reduction in deaths this week compared to the previous one. 28.8 million doses given by 29 April. Fingers crossed this keeps going in the right direction.Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!

It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns!

HammerTime96
05-02-21, 18:45
By the way, who in here, especially among our wannabe group (mursenary, phallus, bigb and paulinzurich) are vaccinated?

(I am ready with the toast Hammertime! Got some great gin here!Yes, there will be a massiveDarwinian selection taking place in the next few years!

All the naive and brainwashed idiots getting an experimental RNA "vaccine" because of a little Flu, thinking that 'they will get their freedoms back. '

Merkel already changed the law so that she can trigger a national lockdown any time she wants, so the vax-idiots here better enjoy their temporary freedoms quick, because I'm afraid it will be very short lived! (hint: "mutations" + massive testing campaigns will trigger the next lockdowns in autumn).

Pahllus Maximus
05-02-21, 21:52
All I know is that wearing Gypsy Tears in an amulet are a sure fire way to counter disease. A Romanian WG saw this and immediately crossed herself and muttered an obscure Latin speech about maximus flagrante delicto (as I recall, but I was distracted at the time) if any scholars like Mursenary can translate this utterance.

PaulInZurich
05-03-21, 00:50
You seem kind of guy who believe all what is written on internet. I don t, I prefer to listen to doctors and sports specialists. If You knew a bit about sports, You would know round muscles are heavy, long muscles are less and more performing for long time intense effort. Yes Sagan is a puncher, sprinter, even seems less fast now, but I think Gerent Thomas is closer to 73 kgs than him and I didn't see him following Thomas who is not a real climber like Bernal or Quintana or Pinot when not sick. I remember Davide Formolo was Bora leader in mountains, not Sagan. You can check on internet, I don t need, I know from Stelvio, land of climbers, reality there, not internet.So if Thomas is close to 73 kg, you must be faster than him too, right? After all there is a guy on the internet who says that weight is all that matters in cycling. I mean at your weight of 48 kgs surely you climb faster than a Tour de France winner.

PaulInZurich
05-03-21, 00:55
It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns!Current weather in Mumbai 30 see plus and sunny. Too bad nobody told people in India that warm weather is all they need to get rid of Covid.

PaulInZurich
05-03-21, 01:02
I remember Davide Formolo was Bora leader in mountains, not Sagan.Nice try, I never said Sagan climbs faster than Formolo. I remember you claiming that you climb faster than Sagan. Just as realistic as a 3 year old claiming that they can fly.

PaulInZurich
05-03-21, 01:09
I meant you can't call from the roof being sucked by your girl, but you can from a room...I made before phone calls from the terrace, even if not while with a WG. Phone in the pocket and bluetooth headset. How do manage to tie your shoe laces alone?

Sirioja
05-03-21, 05:51
Like China, Russia closed borders but they had 450 000 more deaths on last year, compare to previously. I wonder how many more in China? Bad point about Russia closing borders, is no great Russian escorts now in Paris, but average Ukrainians who are not on same level for charm and body care.

Rocky V
05-03-21, 10:30
September 1st? Great! Just in time for the autumn flu season and the next round of lockdowns! LOL!

Spoiler alert: why do you think Merkel changed the law to allow her to unilaterally impose lockdowns upon all the individual federal states?

Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!

It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns!Oh yes, of course, that's why New Delhi and Bangalore with 39 degrees. Hot weather they are not experiencing any new cases right now! LOL! Duh!

Turgid
05-03-21, 14:08
Yes, there will be a massiveDarwinian selection taking place in the next few years!

All the naive and brainwashed idiots getting an experimental RNA "vaccine" because of a little Flu, thinking that 'they will get their freedoms back. '....Someone told me that the vaccines will have no physical effect on you but contains a secretly created chemical that goes to the brain and makes a person more compliant and less inclined to get angry or upset at circumstances. Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.

Mursenary
05-03-21, 14:34
Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!

It's been very nice weather in Germany for many weeks now: sunny, a few splashes of spring rain but nothing to get you drenched, temperatures above 15 C, so many people are going outside getting fresh air and vitamin the through sunshine. In case you didn't know, all those things are good for the immune system, much better than fascist lockdowns!The high temperatures in these cities this week:

32 C Mumbai, India.

39 C New Dehli, India.

30 C Rio, Brasil.

28 C Sao Paolo, Brasil.

26 C Istanbul, Turkey.

BigBuddy69
05-03-21, 14:35
Yes, it's a phenomenon called SPRING and it seems to happen every year when Corona viruses are retreating with the advent of warmer weather! LOL! Duh! And you think you are the "scientist" and the "expert" here? Hahahaha!Makes total sense as usual.

In Rio de Janeiro on average the temperatures are increasing from July to February. Everyone here agrees that it's a little bit warmer than in Germany.

Now go on Google, search 'conass. Org. Br obitos causas naturais', scroll down, select sudeste for the region and look at RJ from week 27 (beginning of July) to week 52. Funny but the excess mortality is not decreasing at all. Actually it reaches a peak of +65 % in December when the average temperature is 28,6 celsius degree according to Wikipedia.

But I'm sure that this conass website and Wikipedia are sold to big pharma, Bill Gates, Klaus schwab and the elders of Zion.

BigBuddy69
05-03-21, 15:22
So if Thomas is close to 73 kg, you must be faster than him too, right? After all there is a guy on the internet who says that weight is all that matters in cycling. I mean at your weight of 48 kgs surely you climb faster than a Tour de France winner.New alternate reality.

Years of training 30+ h / week are useless, all you need is 1000 km a year during 4 months and some kind of crappy Taiwanese made mountain bike mounted with slick tires to compete with champions.

HammerTime96
05-03-21, 15:26
Sounds like conspiracy theory to me.https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/oktoberfest-2021-in-muenchen-absage-immer-wahrscheinlicher, SVlhH91.

This is how 'effective' all those "vaccines" are! / sarc.

Think about this guys: when they are seriously contemplating to cancel an event where people meet for a beer, do you really think that in September they will allow hundreds of horny men to walk around inside a steamy, smokey, poorly ventilated FKK club and so that they can have close physical contact with women?

Many people here are thinking with the wrong 'head. ' LOL!


Zuvor hatte die Bild-Zeitung OB Reiter mit den Worten zitiert: "Die Hoffnung wird von Woche zu Woche schwächer." Bereits vor wenigen Wochen hatte sich Reiter zurückhaltend zu den Chancen einer Wiesn in diesem Jahr geäußert. Bayerns Ministerpräsident Markus Söder (CSU) hatte sich ebenfalls skeptisch gezeigt.My amateur translation: 'The Bild newspaper quotes OB Reiter with the words: "hope is getting weaker from week to week. " Already a few weeks ago, Reiter has expressed reluctance regarding the chances of a "Wiesn" in this year. Bavaria's minister president, Markus Soeder (CSU), has also shown scepticism.'

For all the "lockdowns-work" fanatics here: have a look at this graph: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-01..latest&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_deaths_per_million&Metric=Confirmed+deaths&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=DEU SWE CHE.

Here is North Dakota versus South Dakota: https://www.postbulletin.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6824462-North-Dakota-got-a-mask-mandate-South-Dakota-didnt.-COVID-19-cases-have-plummeted-in-both.


With COVID-19 cases running out of control in North Dakota in mid-November, Gov. Doug Burgum intervened, installing a statewide mask mandate. A month and a half later, the state's pandemic status is nearly unrecognizable: Active virus cases have descended from more than 10,000 at the time of the mandate to fewer than 2,000 today.

But neighboring South Dakota, which had vied with North Dakota for the worst-in-the-nation per capita metrics for much of October and November, has experienced a similarly remarkable turnaround, and without any significant state-level intervention.Go ahead guys, keep on destroying our hobby and our freedom for the virus with roughly the same mortality as the seasonal flu!

BigBuddy69
05-03-21, 16:08
Go ahead guys, keep on destroying our hobby and our freedom for the virus with roughly the same mortality as the seasonal flu!According to cdc. Gov / flu.

Since the 2010-2011 season, the estimated number of deaths from flu in United States has varied from 12,000 a year to 61,000 a year.

One year after the outbreak, March 1 2021, there were 530,000 deaths in USA (source worldometers). Maybe the USA population increased very fast but I have some doubts.

You have some issues with proportionality don't you?

No 'mathematics lessons for 12 years old' in your conspiracy theorists summer camps?

Beijing4987
05-03-21, 17:23
Take a ride to India, Brazil, Michigan state, Oregon State, Washington state USA, then tells us that it's only the seasonal flu.

BigBuddy69
05-03-21, 17:39
Go ahead guys, keep on destroying our hobby and our freedom for the virus with roughly the same mortality as the seasonal flu!Even better than USA, the world.

Influenza: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/influenza-(seasonal).

From 290,000 to 650,000 deaths every year.

Covid 19 : https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.

Around 2 M deaths on January the 1st of 2021.

Define 'roughly' please. In your conspiracy thesaurus it's 'from factor x3 to factor x7', or something like that?