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PaulInZurich
07-08-21, 01:20
Nope. Stubbornly incorrect.I really don't get these people. They are proven wrong, they can't bring any new argument or source to support their claims and their reaction is to throw a tantrum like a toddler.

PaulInZurich
07-08-21, 01:30
New Swiss girl who worked only on Saturday, her first day at Globe? When you wrote previously Virginia didn't provide DFK. At least, I don t need to lie, I just write what she told me at Palace and repeated at Globe, and I even survived from so big disappointment, I think I saved from wasting my money. Wait for you for Gran San Bernardino on August or Verbier on early October, for real sport and then you can make your own strava when I should climb topless if not raining. Maybe you will ask your grandmother to climb instead of you? Funny to hear Julian Alaphilippe who is one of the best puncher, telling: I don't understand why they make us climb twice Mont Ventoux, when first climbing from Sault is the easiest, when my final for my tour of pleasure only for passion is to climb twice Mont Ventoux but from Malaucene first which is much more difficult than from Sault, going down to Bedoin and up through legendary forrest. When no wind, a good day, even can't sleep after because moved to much flesh deep inside, but look forward.Responding here, trying to keep the Globe thread less polluted with BS from the land of bullshits. Virginia didn't DFK her first few days in Globe, but a few days later she did. It might be that on that Saturday she would only DFK guys who brushed their teeth.

I told you several times, my grandmother cycles faster than you. I have seen her cycling, while you obviously just make up things in your head.

Remember how you keep saying that weight is everything in cycling? How was it that Wout van Aert (77 kg) dropped Kenny Elissonde (52 kg) on the Ventoux at the head of the race? Did your head explode?

PaulInZurich
07-08-21, 06:11
I'm vaccinated for my own good, but you do realize that vaccinated people can still be carrier of any variant of Covid, just that likely won't be suffering much if gets the virus, right? Other people literally don't have any benefit from someone vaccinated, so why do you care if someone else is vaccinated or not?Yes, others do benefit if you are vaccinated. Even if you get infected, duration of infection as well as your viral load are reduced, both reduce the risk that you infect others.

Banana Boi
07-08-21, 07:01
If you are afraid of covid, my advice is to stay away from FKK land which is a real playfield for virus and now delta.nah, maybe I'll come and breathe down on short guys.

Mursenary
07-08-21, 08:10
I'm vaccinated for my own good, but you do realize that vaccinated people can still be carrier of any variant of Covid, just that likely won't be suffering much if gets the virus, right? Other people literally don't have any benefit from someone vaccinated, so why do you care if someone else is vaccinated or not?Benefit to others: decrease period of transmissibility and decrease viral load. Not zero probability, but much less likely to get from a vaccinated person who would be spreading less viral load and over a shorter period of time.

If a vax person is a small campfire of virus, the unvaxed is a burning furnace with a train of coal to burn.

Mursenary
07-08-21, 12:07
You really didn't impress me for your cleverness, from what you showed and told me when I didn't ask you anything, but you knew I was her regular on her start on end of February 2016 , and you needed to tell me. But after 1 month, when she claimed in the club she was my number 1, I had to choose Megan and I never regretted, keeping on with Megan who is a bit prettier and much less crazy.Bravo for you. In fucked for free.

NiteRiderCal
07-08-21, 15:02
That's straight academia and does not happen in reality. There will be evolutionary pressure both ways, naturally or through vaccination. Gravitation will be towards more infectious and less pathogenic sure, but natural pressure will cause more variants and if left unchecked, odds will be that the same pathogenicity would eventually arise. In the mean time, more mortality due to longer time variable. Vaccination if meeting critical mass, actually gives us a shot of nipping it in the bud and actually stops the pandemic before the death toll is too great.You can nip it in the butt, if it prevent transmission. It does not, it lower the transmission.


The last paragraph is straight boloney and makes a connection without actually connecting the dots. It's an attempt to sound knowledgeable. Vague comment that uses clinical terms but actually doesn't make sense.The dots is the vaccine allow vaccinated people to get infected and transmit it to unvaccinated people. Because it does not prevent infection, therefore, antibody is sub optimal. Thus allow for selection in the body. If you still don't get it at this point, I don't know. Go back and take high school biology. Read the section on evolution by natural selection.


Lastly, explain your theory in regards to Polio and measles. Why does it not apply? Both are faster mutating RNA viruses. Vaccines were / are quite effective for them. No super lethal measle or polio came to be. No vaccines completely stamps out transmission. They reduce transmission at the population level. (That's another clue that you're kinda fluffing your post).Other vaccine prevent transmission. These covid vaccine reduce transmission. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that reduce transmission is all bad. There is a time and place for it. None of the condition have been met to use these vaccine.


Science people spreading science misinformation is worse than layman's nonsensical ramblings. Reader should not credit someone with basic academic knowledge with a working knowledge of epidemiology and population level virology.This is where I agree with you, there is serious misinformation. If you meet me or any of the virologist that I know, we will tell you that the covid vaccine is great! You should take it. No one dare to say anything different. Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next.

Now, all of this is a moot point because it is too late. Too many people have been vaccinate already. Sooner or later the unvaccinated people will suffer the same consequences as the vaccinated people. I hope the consequence will be neutral.

Mursenary
07-08-21, 17:13
You are just embarrassing yourself. You think that you have more disposable cash available, what has that got to do with anything.The money flaunting, that's the kind of thing you expect to hear from a 30 year old financial, investment "Bro", not a seasoned man in his 50's or 60's.

Mursenary
07-08-21, 17:39
You can nip it in the butt, if it prevent transmission. It does not, it lower the transmission.That's true, I agree. And it's nothing to write off, especially in a worldwide state of emergency.


The dots is the vaccine allow vaccinated people to get infected and transmit it to unvaccinated people. Because it does not prevent infection, therefore, antibody is sub optimal. Thus allow for selection in the body. If you still don't get it at this point, I don't know. Go back and take high school biology. Read the section on evolution by natural selection.If recommending others to brush up on textbook "high school" science, I implore you to brush up on graduate level Public Health. These comments seem to be written from the view of someone approaching this in theoretical silo rather than actual practice.

Re: Sub-optimal? I'm not even sure what that is supposed to mean at the tangible level. Stopping transmission at the individual level is never the expectation of vaccination programs. It is always evaluated at the population level. Reduction in pathogen transmission is always evaluated with the goal of reaching herd immunity, not with the practically impossible goal of completely stopping transmission from a single person to another. Again, laboratory / academia versus real world practice.


Other vaccine prevent transmission. These covid vaccine reduce transmission. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that reduce transmission is all bad. There is a time and place for it. None of the condition have been met to use these vaccine.Name one vaccine that stops transmission completely. What conditions? Worldwide state of emergency is not a condition? Again, real world practice was theoretical ideals.


This is where I agree with you, there is serious misinformation. If you meet me or any of the virologist that I know, we will tell you that the covid vaccine is great! You should take it. No one dare to say anything different. Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next.

Now, all of this is a moot point because it is too late. Too many people have been vaccinate already. Sooner or later the unvaccinated people will suffer the same consequences as the vaccinated people. I hope the consequence will be neutral.Again, real world evaluation in necessary. It is the decision between dealing with the immediate effect of perpetual lockdowns and uncontrolled death versus the possible effect of a future super virus. All of your proposed theories of future variants apply to both natural and artificial selection through vaccines. Artificial selection through vaccination does not stop evolutionary drift of the viral mutation moving towards escaping host defenses. The only difference is that mass vaccination would speed up the selection timeline. We would have to deal with future variants one way or another. With the vaccination, we solve the immediate problem rather than just sitting on our hands and feet while society crumbles.

Half the reason I left research science and moved into clinical medicine was because of mindsets like this. Real world usefulness versus theoretical but effectively, impractical near-term use.

NiteRiderCal
07-08-21, 18:49
Theoretical and real world practical?

How about we listen to the people who are right and stop listening to the people who are wrong?

Florida and Texas proof that the "real world public health experts" was wrong, wrong, wrong. There was no reason for the shut down. If anything, I kind of think that they should now shut down because too many people already got the vaccine. But I guess I'm been theoretical.

Who is right, the FLCC doctors are right, right, right. They was the first to give their patient dexamethasone. And the world belittle them for it. Now, well dexamethasone is standard of care. Those guy are real world practical, having to treat sick people everyday and not some dude in the lab or behind the desk.

Sirioja
07-08-21, 19:23
Hi all,

I am a newbie to the NRW region (previously been to the Frankfurt FKKs many times). Which FKKs would you recommend visiting in the region? And where would you base yourself in a hotel for a multi day trip? Cologne? Thanks!For my advice, but at least I visited since reopening, I m not Asian or US coming once a year and who didn't come since 1 year and half, meaning knowing just nothing, highest potential at the moment is Samya Koln on Friday and Saturday evenings with no upselling and for best looks. I could also try Aca Gold where can sometimes find a beauty, PHG for potential at night if You are able to manage without rules. I will return to Oase of course, where usually potential and I don t need rules but I like to play with my talent. Sharks casting on early July was so disappointing for looks, wish will improve. Can sometimes find a beauty at Finca or Bab. Not so bad.

Sirioja
07-08-21, 20:30
Responding here, trying to keep the Globe thread less polluted with BS from the land of bullshits. Virginia didn't DFK her first few days in Globe, but a few days later she did. It might be that on that Saturday she would only DFK guys who brushed their teeth.

I told you several times, my grandmother cycles faster than you. I have seen her cycling, while you obviously just make up things in your head.

Remember how you keep saying that weight is everything in cycling? How was it that Wout van Aert (77 kg) dropped Kenny Elissonde (52 kg) on the Ventoux at the head of the race? Did your head explode?Because you never visited any German club, not even Freubad, nor Cleo, nor Zeus, but you play ghost here since months, when all those who ever saw me, know I'm really not a ghost, so I preferred to answer you on your home club, then everybody can judge there, about your posts proving your lies about Virginia or new Swiss girl when you don't know who she is, but you wrote not your type, not interesting, when I m fully sure you paid 140/30 for Virginia, without kissing, on your single room with her, waiting for CIM to repeat as you wrote, even not so cute, when she told many guys don't ask to kiss. So obvious. At least, when she told me and told about only 80 rate, I didn't insist, I just didn't go, even for 80, when I don't go in Germany for 50 nor even 40 . When I only go to climb highest ranked, when W V AERT was not 77 kgs yesterday, easy to see even tall, rather than believing all data and behaving like a faker here, just learn about Newton whose apple talked. I will be on 2 October at the bottom for Verbier, for US, then you can make your strava, or follow me, when I m never a ghost, but topless to be lighter. Also learn about Colin Chapman for race cars, Newton best student, for light is right. Except if you want to play Sumo of course, but then you are at big risk to die.

Mursenary
07-08-21, 21:43
Theoretical and real world practical?

How about we listen to the people who are right and stop listening to the people who are wrong?

Florida and Texas proof that the "real world public health experts" was wrong, wrong, wrong. There was no reason for the shut down. If anything, I kind of think that they should now shut down because too many people already got the vaccine. But I guess I'm been theoretical.

Who is right, the FLCC doctors are right, right, right. They was the first to give their patient dexamethasone. And the world belittle them for it. Now, well dexamethasone is standard of care. Those guy are real world practical, having to treat sick people everyday and not some dude in the lab or behind the desk.There were literally semi trucks used as morgues in Texas Hospitals. Medical personnel were dispatched in mass along with the National Guard. Tents were erected to treat the sick.

Proof? I don't know what world in which you live but my 2 weeks in Texas was entirely different than the picture you paint.

It would have been much worse if it it wasn't for the fact that Texas and Florida are two of the larger states in the USA with a geographically dispersed population. The cities were a completely different story as Houston, El Paso, and Miami saw ridiculous death tolls with only the large rural population bringing down the average to make numbers look better for the state as whole. If it wasn't for the fact that the heavily populated cities in Texas and Florida enforced restrictions, we would have had NYC type scenarios.

You have no idea what happened in the real world to be telling people about COVID care especially making the statement that Decadron is the standard of care as if it is a single miracle medication. We used steroids like this since one day one just as we would any inflammatory condition. No one was belittling decadron use.

Do you even know how it works? It is only an adjunct symptomatic treatment used in the early stages of care and has no effect once the inflammatory phase is over. The only standard of care was symptomatic treatment, early prevention of viral replication, and then supporting organ function as the person must naturally recover.

So please, take your laboratory science education elsewhere and stop talking about things in which you have no first hand knowledge.

Banana Boi
07-09-21, 00:21
For my advice, but at least I visited since reopening, I m not Asian or US coming once a year and who didn't come since 1 year and half, meaning knowing just nothing,
Because you never visited any German club, not even Freubad, nor Cleo, nor Zeus, but you play ghost here since months, You complain here about guys not being in Germany and not being real yet you make about 30 posts per day in the Thailand forum with your many fake handles when it's obvious from your posts that you've never even been to Thailand!

Also, stop PM'ing me with your fake handles. I know they're all you!

Bit Siri.

Mursenary
07-09-21, 03:35
For my advice, but at least I visited since reopening, I m not Asian or US coming once a year and who didn't come since 1 year and half, meaning knowing just nothing, highest potential at the moment is Samya Koln on Friday and Saturday evenings with no upselling and for best looks. I could also try Aca Gold where can sometimes find a beauty, PHG for potential at night if You are able to manage without rules. I will return to Oase of course, where usually potential and I don t need rules but I like to play with my talent. Sharks casting on early July was so disappointing for looks, wish will improve. Can sometimes find a beauty at Finca or Bab. Not so bad.So thirsty.

Sirioja
07-09-21, 03:48
There were literally semi trucks used as morgues in Texas Hospitals. Medical personnel were dispatched in mass along with the National Guard. Tents were erected to treat the sick.

Proof? I don't know what world in which you live but my 2 weeks in Texas was entirely different than the picture you paint.

It would have been much worse if it it wasn't for the fact that Texas and Florida are two of the larger states in the USA with a geographically dispersed population. The cities were a completely different story as Houston, El Paso, and Miami saw ridiculous death tolls with only the large rural population bringing down the average to make numbers look better for the state as whole. If it wasn't for the fact that the heavily populated cities in Texas and Florida enforced restrictions, we would have had NYC type scenarios.

You have no idea what happened in the real world to be telling people about COVID care especially making the statement that Decadron is the standard of care as if it is a single miracle medication. We used steroids like this since one day one just as we would any inflammatory condition. No one was belittling decadron use.

Do you even know how it works? It is only an adjunct symptomatic treatment used in the early stages of care and has no effect once the inflammatory phase is over. The only standard of care was symptomatic treatment, early prevention of viral replication, and then supporting organ function as the person must naturally recover.

So please, take your laboratory science education elsewhere and stop talking about things in which you have no first hand knowledge.And we saw fridge trucks in streets, not in deep Romania, but in NYC and also pathetic Hart island there, when crazy golfer claimed to drink disinfectant. Amazing disappointing number 1 . When aiming to become new number 1 is land of lies and not respecting human rights. Poor world, let s enjoy our small pleasures, starting my best on 14 July if not raining like on 3. Still warming up in Iseran where Cavendish cried and 9 were out of time and at home, but I don t criticize because it was so cold and wet, not human, even their paid job.

Sirioja
07-09-21, 04:03
You complain here about guys not being in Germany and not being real yet you make about 30 posts per day in the Thailand forum with your many fake handles when it's obvious from your posts that you've never even been to Thailand!

Also, stop PM'ing me with your fake handles. I know they're all you!

Bit Siri.I have only one profile, I think I'm very easy to recognize and you can even ask administration when all my posts are under administration moderation, for proof. I never wrote in Thailand where I don t know anything and I m not interested at all by Asia for sex. I also really don t need to send You PM and administration can also easily control, easy from IP. I'm not a ghost but as I'm super trained for pressure, I'm also super trained to smell fakers.

NiteRiderCal
07-09-21, 04:28
Rrrrrrrrrright,

After Florida and Texas open up, infection rate go up to the sky and people are dropping death like flies as I'm typing this. Just as the public health expert predicted it. When the FLCC doctor testify in the US Senate about how much success they was having in their ICU. No one criticized them. Dexamethasone become standard of care the very next day. Yep, All of that did happen. And 2+2 do equal to 5.

Sorry. I don't trust the public health expert. I trust evolution. I trust the latest recommendation coming from the FLCC, which some people believe could end the pandemic. The last part might be a little optimistic or maybe they are right. Unfortunately most doctor are too lazy and will just follow NIH guideline and will not give you the prescription for the FLCC I-mask protocol. I ordered and received all of these medication from India and Japan. Good luck to all (vaccinated and unvaccinated).

PaulInZurich
07-09-21, 05:24
You think girls are vaccinated? I don't know any club which select only vaccinated. Maybe GT, but he died from vaccine: bad luck. If you are afraid of covid, my advice is to stay away from FKK land which is a real playfield for virus and now delta.Who can read already has an advantage. He doesn't say that he thinks that the girls are vaccinated, but he would prefer if they would be.

PaulInZurich
07-09-21, 05:57
Because you never visited any German club, not even Freubad, nor Cleo, nor Zeus, but you play ghost here since months, when all those who ever saw me, know I'm really not a ghost, so I preferred to answer you on your home club, then everybody can judge there, about your posts proving your lies about Virginia or new Swiss girl when you don't know who she is, but you wrote not your type, not interesting, when I m fully sure you paid 140/30 for Virginia, without kissing, on your single room with her, waiting for CIM to repeat as you wrote, even not so cute, when she told many guys don't ask to kiss. So obvious. At least, when she told me and told about only 80 rate, I didn't insist, I just didn't go, even for 80, when I don't go in Germany for 50 nor even 40 . When I only go to climb highest ranked, when W V AERT was not 77 kgs yesterday, easy to see even tall, rather than believing all data and behaving like a faker here, just learn about Newton whose apple talked. I will be on 2 October at the bottom for Verbier, for US, then you can make your strava, or follow me, when I m never a ghost, but topless to be lighter. Also learn about Colin Chapman for race cars, Newton best student, for light is right. Except if you want to play Sumo of course, but then you are at big risk to die.OK, let's see who writes bullshit here.

Here are 3 different sources for Kenny Elissonde (1.69 m and 52 kg) and Wout van Aert (1. 87 m and 78 kg) stats.

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/kenny-elissonde

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Elissonde

https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/kenny-elissonde_prs256438/person.shtml

https://www.procyclingstats.com/rider/wout-van-aert

https://www.eurosport.com/cycling/wout-van-aert_prs356278/person.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wout_van_Aert

Do you agree that WVA dropped Kenny Elissonde on the Ventoux or are you saying it's not true? Do you agree that WVA is significantly heavier? Oh, I forget, you believe that the earth is flat, nothing will change your mind, you only trust your half blind eyes and your imagination. Please, you should tell the commentators at TV France 2 and Eurosport that you have better information than them.

The fact that you are unwilling to accept easily proven facts, just shows everybody that most of what you write is pure BS.

PaulInZurich
07-09-21, 06:30
If anything, I kind of think that they should now shut down because too many people already got the vaccine...You like to troll? Shutdowns because people get vaccinated, nobody sane would think that.

Prelude141
07-09-21, 07:58
You complain here about guys not being in Germany and not being real yet you make about 30 posts per day in the Thailand forum with your many fake handles when it's obvious from your posts that you've never even been to Thailand!

Also, stop PM'ing me with your fake handles. I know they're all you!

Bit Siri.Few years ago this dude was flooding the French forum the same way he does here. He ended up banned as things turned mad. He came back with other accounts but spotted by the admin, was banned again. He then moved here. Admin, please, before you decide to delete this message and never post it, have a thought.

McAdonis
07-09-21, 20:57
I hope Samya accepts my US-issued CDC Pfizer vaccine card. If test is still needed, then.

https://covid-testzentrum.de

And find the nearest one. 25 euro for antigen test in these places for foreigners, good for 2 days, so damage is 12.5 euro per day.French-based American I know got into Samya with his CDC card. Because it is not as common as the yellow WHO booklet or CovPass app, he was prepared to drive to a test center if necessary. When travel resumes, CDC card should become more recognisable.

Technically, Siri is correct. The receptionist will often only ask:


"you have test?"A simple three word question is much easier than the fully expanded three-part question:


"Do you have a negative test from last 48 hours? Or a vaccine with final dose occurring more than 14 days ago? Or a letter from your doctor certifying recovery between 1-6 months ago?".The short three syllable question has multiple advantages. If the guest looks confused, she will know to immediately switch to a different language or find a translator. The receptionist is making a couple of educated guesses to EXPEDITE the check-in process. If the guest has the test, he will most likely present it and the interaction moves to the next step (payment and filling out paperwork). The receptionist also knows that if the guest has one of the other two requirements, the guest will most likely make an attempt to explain or physically show what he has. If and when the majority of people in EU are fully vaccinated, the new default question might very well switch to:


"you have vaccine?"This is no different than if one were to go to a nightclub in the USA. When the bouncer is asking to see a drivers license, he is also making an educated guess. This is the default question because 89 percent of Americans have one. But if one never learned to drive or is a foreigner only in possession of a passport, that person would probably have the common sense to say "No, but I have this. " In other words, we assume that the people we are speaking with are able read between the lines, and can understand more than the literal words that are coming out of our mouths. Small children and adults with autism being the exception.

DrPoon
07-09-21, 22:08
Who can read already has an advantage. He doesn't say that he thinks that the girls are vaccinated, but he would prefer if they would be.Wait it was reported that the owner of GT died of the vaccine?

HammerTime96
07-09-21, 22:29
The dots is the vaccine allow vaccinated people to get infected and transmit it to unvaccinated people. Because it does not prevent infection, therefore, antibody is sub optimal. Thus allow for selection in the body. If you still don't get it at this point, I don't know. Go back and take high school biology. Read the section on evolution by natural selection.Murse is just someone who once dreamed of being a 'real' doctor, but couldn't make it through medical school, so now 'she' needs a hooker forum to feel validated. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for nurses and all the hard work they do, but let's also be honest: they are NOT doctors, because they are missing a huge chunk of education. What's next: flight attendants telling pilots how to fly? LOL!

Sorry Murse, you're job is to assist doctors and to do as *they* instruct you. Leave the thinking to the *real* doctors please, people with a background of critical thinking without the excess luggage of all sorts of political dogmas and inferiority complexes.


Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next. Yes, this is what Geert vanden Bossche has been warning about for months, and it's already unfolding. Perhaps the "Delta Variant" can still be partially 'defeated' by the so-called "vaccine" (read: gene therapy) to allow the pro-vaxxers to claim so pathetic 'successes,' but once the flu season starts again on the northern hemisphere in a few months, I'm afraid we'll back to Square One of more "cases" and more lockdowns.

Dr. Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity was one of the first ones in the financial media in January 2020 to start warning about 'something going on in Wuhan' and a few weeks ago he had Geert vanden Bossche as a guest on his YT show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY.

Mursenary
07-10-21, 04:19
Rrrrrrrrrright,

After Florida and Texas open up, infection rate go up to the sky and people are dropping death like flies as I'm typing this. Just as the public health expert predicted it. When the FLCC doctor testify in the US Senate about how much success they was having in their ICU. No one criticized them. Dexamethasone become standard of care the very next day. Yep, All of that did happen. And 2+2 do equal to 5.

Sorry. I don't trust the public health expert. I trust evolution. I trust the latest recommendation coming from the FLCC, which some people believe could end the pandemic. The last part might be a little optimistic or maybe they are right. Unfortunately most doctor are too lazy and will just follow NIH guideline and will not give you the prescription for the FLCC I-mask protocol. I ordered and received all of these medication from India and Japan. Good luck to all (vaccinated and unvaccinated).False. Considering that we were using Dexamethasone back in April, giving them credit seems pretty inaccurate. Corticosteroid use for inflammatory diseases has been a staple of western medicine for decades.

This same group did also recommend Ivermectin, a worm pharmaceutical meant to treat large farm animals. The recommended doses that were "effective" against COVID, only to find out that doses large enough to be effective were also large enough to cause cardiac dysrhythmias and cardiac death. Yeah, recommending medications with such a narrow therapeutic index without any testing made them seem really smart. Oh yeah, they had to rescind that recommendation rather quickly.

Yeah, trust those people.

And let me break it to you darlin, my permanent home is in Florida. We were closed for all of one month. Same with most of Texas. Official reopenings didn't result in much societal change. Tell you what did happen, when Miami did release the municipal restrictions, all hell broke loose in March and April and the city was placed back into a state of emergency with curfews reinstated until vaccination numbers caught up, especially within the Latino community.

Seems that you get your COVID news from political sources.

Mursenary
07-10-21, 04:27
If clubs don't ask for negative test, with delta very fast spreading everywhere, then they make big mistake and take big risk to be closed as cluster, when many vaccinated are positive. Negative test is more safe than vaccinated who can still spread. I wait for 2 October, just for pleasure to discover my beloved Verbier climbing I m used to push with car, topless if not raining, impossible to miss me when no other topless, when guys have teams suit, but I'm not paid to wear.1st. All you had to say was, "perhaps I was mistaken," but pride.

2nd. Still avoiding the wager. All talk until you put up. Make the finances work if I am I going waste an FKK weekend destroying the ego of a man with grey pubes.

Mursenary
07-10-21, 06:06
And we saw fridge trucks in streets, not in deep Romania, but in NYC and also pathetic Hart island there, when crazy golfer claimed to drink disinfectant. Amazing disappointing number 1 . When aiming to become new number 1 is land of lies and not respecting human rights.What's with the sour grapes of older French men and their animosity towards America? Is it the bitterness of English replacing French as the official international language because America saved them from the Germans twice in 30 years? To the victor go the spoils as they say. Younger French don't seem to suffer from this much arrogance and insecurity. They seem to be much happier than the miserable old guys.

Here's the great thing about America still being on top right now. No other country will hold that title for any appreciable amount of time since we will all effectively be a global, one-world order way before any other superpower (including China) can exert any cultural, economic, or military influence to the degree in which the reigning world champs has. Get over it.

BTW, population density of Manhattan, NYC is 70 K per square mile. Brooklyn and Bronx sit at 36 K per sq mile. Population density of Bucharest and Paris are around 21 K per sq mile. Figure out why that's relevant. Quite obvious.

Sirioja
07-10-21, 08:12
Few years ago this dude was flooding the French forum the same way he does here. He ended up banned as things turned mad. He came back with other accounts but spotted by the admin, was banned again. He then moved here. Admin, please, before you decide to delete this message and never post it, have a thought.Yes some others, claimed specialists, became so crazy jealous when I wrote my weekly visits, when I had a friend in moderation, so I was reported what happened. Sirioja became Sirio, only this, nothing more, but still jealousy, and here only Sirioja, easy to check with IP, when I don t need more profiles, I m unfortunately too well known and I m really not interested by Thailand paid sex, not my standard. At least, nobody can say I don't visit before writing, and still since reopening.

HammerTime96
07-10-21, 11:33
Privately, everyone is saying that escape of adaptive immunity is a issue. Now what is the consequences, well it is not good. However, is it neutral or a catastrophe, or somewhere in between? This is the part that make me shit in my pant. Humanity already decided to fuck with a system so complex, that a human brain have no way of even guessing what will happen next. Yup, this is what Geert vanden Bossche has been warning about for months, and it's already unfolding. Perhaps the "Delta Variant" can still be partially 'defeated' by the so-called "vaccine" (read: gene therapy) to allow the pro-vaxxers to claim some pathetic 'successes,' but once the flu season starts again on the northern hemisphere in a few months, I'm afraid we'll back to Square One of more "cases," more lockdowns, and more waiting for the next round of 'vaccines' that won't stop the transmission.

Dr. Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity was one of the first ones in the financial media in January 2020 to start warning about 'something going on in Wuhan' and a few weeks ago he had Geert vanden Bossche as a guest on his YT show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY.

In the mean time, Holland I (just like Israel which is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world) is already reintroducing Covid19 measures, as "cases" are spiking again:

https://www.rt.com/news/528843-netherlands-reintroduces-covid-curbs-delta-rise/

It's not even autumn yet, and just like last year, the media and politicians are already talking (read: mentally preparing the sheeple) about more lockdowns.

Turgid
07-10-21, 14:44
Few years ago this dude was flooding the French forum the same way he does here. He ended up banned as things turned mad. He came back with other accounts but spotted by the admin, was banned again. He then moved here. Admin, please, before you decide to delete this message and never post it, have a thought.I hold no brief for Siri but you have all this information from many years back but you have only 41 posts.

Samplerr
07-10-21, 15:15
I hold no brief for Siri but you have all this information from many years back but you have only 41 posts.Maybe he was reading instead of posting. In any case his post was presumably referring to the Youppie forum and not ISG.

ShooBree
07-10-21, 15:27
Wrong. No negative test needed for Sharks. Just show you're not a COVIDIOT and show them you are fully vaccinated.No offense but you're clearly a moron considering that you take for granted that all people on here even had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated. That's not the case, anyways the vaccine you have taken is ineffective and already outdated. Even the fully vaccinated should be required to prove that they are indeed COVID-19 negative since they are carriers and spreaders of disease.

NiteRiderCal
07-10-21, 16:43
This is just an idea, there is actually a way to eradicate covid, the same way we eradicate smallpox. However, it require honesty and unprecedented level of organization and collaboration.

Honesty: the mRNA is basically a fail gene therapy technology. It fail because it was deem too toxic. However, maybe it have application in vaccine but the jury is still out. People have the right know this info. We should focus on other platform like recombination, which work for HBV. In addition, there is other traditional, old school tech, such as inactive and attenuate. Also, the ability of ivermectin to prevent covid is infinitely more superior than any vaccine.

Organization and Collaboration: We encourage but not forces as many people to take the vaccine (whatever platform they choose) as possible. Next, set a date to get as many people to take ivermectin to prevent infection. After a few week, there will be few if any infection case. At this point, covid vaccine can play its role in eradicating covid and the more people take it the better. To be sure that it is eradicated, if any new infection is detected. We go in and give ivermectin to everyone in the city.

Next we enforce border control on country that still have issue and help them eradicate covid.

Anyway, I'm been idealistic that this can be pull off. Especially with so much political BS.

NiteRiderCal
07-10-21, 18:55
And for those who don't care about the political BS. Check out the FLCCC website and look at their data. I personally have find way to get those medication on the I-MASK protocol. With covid, antiviral medication is most effective when it is taken early. If I do get covid, I will want to take it right the way. And not waste time trying to figure how to get it. But that is just me.

NiteRiderCal
07-10-21, 19:08
BTW, the FLCCC did not retract anything. The BIRD group retracted their publication claiming that ivermectin did not work.

Sirioja
07-10-21, 20:50
1st. All you had to say was, "perhaps I was mistaken," but pride.

2nd. Still avoiding the wager. All talk until you put up. Make the finances work if I am I going waste an FKK weekend destroying the ego of a man with grey pubes.You asked, I just answered. Same than at LR when you came and needed to tell me your so pathetic story, or did I come to you and tell you about my girls? I will have to waste my time, drive more than 1200 kms and take risk in dangerous Switzerland for you, so don't forget Sambrancher croosroads on 2 October and if you forget, at least let me know here, not to make me going for nothing, when Verbier is not on my climbing tour, when I didn't even take risk to go to ski on April. Ego is good engine for life.

NiteRiderCal
07-10-21, 20:57
Murse remind me of a article I saw a long time ago.

I hope many of you would consider cancer is not a political topic. As you can see from the link below, 88% of the top science regarding cancer was found to be fake. Done by scientist who just make shit up. These scientist use the same tacit and climb their way to the top. No wonder why we are in this mess. Anyway, stop trusting your scientific bureaucrat. Maybe when people stop trusting scientist, the scientific community might be able to get our house in order.

https://cafehayek.com/2012/04/fake-science-everywhere.html

Ctytek
07-10-21, 21:43
Yes some others, claimed specialists, became so crazy jealous when I wrote my weekly visits, when I had a friend in moderation, so I was reported what happened. Sirioja became Sirio, only this, nothing more, but still jealousy, and here only Sirioja, easy to check with IP, when I don t need more profiles, I m unfortunately too well known and I m really not interested by Thailand paid sex, not my standard. At least, nobody can say I don't visit before writing, and still since reopening.Believe me when I say this. No one is "jealous" about anything you post here. Problem is. You spam every thread with lengthy posts, which are very hard to read and understand. You writing style and grammar are very poor, sometimes to the point where it's difficult to understand what you're trying to say. I know English is not your first language, but nonetheless you decide to come here and post in English forum. As a common courtesy to other posters, you need to improve your grammar and writing style.

I am sure you're going to argue with me and claim I am somehow "jealous" of you. But try to understand what I and others are telling you. Don't spam every forum unless you have some tangible to contribute. Posted less. When you do post, write in shorter sentences and learn how to express yourself clearly and concisely.

Mursenary
07-11-21, 02:26
Bleh. Something happened these past 5 years. Stupid people's voices are being given too much an audience. Keep them in the minority. Facts get ignored and responded by more bullshit. It's a fruitless trap. Glad the normal humans are back on the other threads. Fuckin wierdos.

Mursenary
07-11-21, 02:52
Murse is just someone who once dreamed of being a 'real' doctor, but couldn't make it through medical school, so now 'she' needs a hooker forum to feel validated. Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for nurses and all the hard work they do, but let's also be honest: they are NOT doctors, because they are missing a huge chunk of education. What's next: flight attendants telling pilots how to fly? LOL!

Sorry Murse, you're job is to assist doctors and to do as *they* instruct you. Leave the thinking to the *real* doctors please, people with a background of critical thinking without the excess luggage of all sorts of political dogmas and inferiority complexes.LOL. You do realize that a nursing degree is an undergraduate degree right? You do realize that one must get one of those before going on to complete medical training in the United States right? Pretty consistent with your many other jump to conclusions positions. Good thing you're not in healthcare. Imagine the death toll.

As always, this aged quite poorly:


Keep on hoping against hope that in 2021 FKK clubs will open, because the future is looking increasingly dark.

Guys, if ANY of you want to see the inside of an FKK club again in your lives, you'd better wake up and stop believing the fearmongers, because this is no longer about a virus. It doesn't matter how many "vaccines" you're willing to take, this is about establishing a fascist technocratic regime.

Forget about any FKK visits in 2021 (or 2022) boys, unless you wake up and start resisting the lies and the propaganda! This will be an endless game of lockdowns, travel restrictions, and "vaccines."

Mursenary
07-11-21, 02:57
Also, the ability of ivermectin to prevent covid is infinitely more superior than any vaccine.Yeah, because it kills the human, stopping the vaccine dead in its tracks. Facepalms at Dr WebMD.

JoeZakary
07-11-21, 03:13
Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Our POV is from only a handful of reporters (Lanthano being the best at this practice), the others highly subjectively depicting what they see (what they think they see?). All this to say, ill be in frankfurt at the end of the month, and I will surely make sure I write a report, a real one.

Canary
07-11-21, 07:58
Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Our POV is from only a handful of reporters (Lanthano being the best at this practice), the others highly subjectively depicting what they see (what they think they see?). All this to say, ill be in frankfurt at the end of the month, and I will surely make sure I write a report, a real one.I totally agree with these sentiments. I too will be returning, early next month but sometimes I wonder why I should bother writing up a report when it seems very few bother these days. So much irrelevant drivel written which does little to inform & educate the reader about the girls & their performance which after all is what we are all after. Isn't it?

Sirioja
07-11-21, 10:43
Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Our POV is from only a handful of reporters (Lanthano being the best at this practice), the others highly subjectively depicting what they see (what they think they see?). All this to say, ill be in frankfurt at the end of the month, and I will surely make sure I write a report, a real one.We wait your strong expert very informative report, I will not need, when I don't use translator to read German forums because I don't care about grocers with a Romanian piece of meat. When I saw my first girl finishing a guy in around 10 mn, while he went to lockers for money, I went to her and we laughed about, telling me her room, after our hour and her first O of her day when her third room, with smiles all among after, and her friend also trying to get me. As a so bad hunter, not able to jump on a piece of meat, when it was like German Janine time, guys jumping on her when she was waiting to be paid, after mostly 15/20 mn rooms, but if I was not a so bad hunter, when I missed the fast to leave German, if she was not so exhausted at around 2 am, when I played for 1 hour but didn't want to kill her on her first day, earlier and in better conditions if I was more efficient and better with belly, then I would have extended over 1 hour with the immaculate virgin beauty I could have gotten for her first room in a club, rather than rabbits. She worked in private before. But great pleasure was to look below her when I was behind her walking upstairs and I m too different to be expert and I don t want to be, I just like to play my own game. Enjoy your expert tour. I heard so many experts and when I looked at them, I knew we couldn't experience the same, some became mad about that. Each one own game.

HammerTime96
07-11-21, 12:56
I'm diving back in this October. Thinking positive. Hoping for the best.I hope for you that you have good timing. If all goes well, then line-ups should be back to old standard again by October and the upselling should be back to a normal level. If all goes to shit, then expect more lockdowns starting in September-October. As people might know, I'm expecting the second scenario, but just to be clear: I am not in favour of lockdowns and vaccinations. The best strategy would have been to re-open everything as normal last year and go for herd immunity, as Sweden has done. Perhaps (on paper) more "Covid" deaths in Sweden, but far less deaths due to suicides, untreated diseases like cancer and cardiovascular, a ruined economy, and ruined livelihoods. In the end it all balances out, but without totalitarian measures and closed FKKs.

So far 4 million dead by "Covid" (including the many 'deaths' by falsified statistics), which on a worldwide population of 7,8 billion is a total joke. No significant difference between North Dakota (strict DNC lockdown) and South Dakota (much more liberal).

No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.

HammerTime96
07-11-21, 13:17
Already last day of the weekend and we've got 0 reports across all german fkks, beautiful! Don't forget the time difference, unlike in Asia, Sunday is not over yet in Europe. Maybe more reports to come, or maybe not much good to report? Tripods everywhere, poor line-up, upselling, no food, no-limited wellness, suckers paying 50 Euro entry to watch sausages, etcetera?

IMO, most German FKK clubs are 'open' in theory only. I'm a rational person: when I see great reviews I'll change my mind and I'll get a quickie test and go myself, but so far nothing motivates me to venture out to Darmstadt. I saw a few names (Brenda, Kaira, Helen, Catalina, Ester) that I like, but I don't feel like hovering for hours in front of the door to the ladies changing rooms in order to try to grab a hot girl before another tripod does. I've seen those sausage fests at GT, and that's the main reason why I stopped going to GT.

P.S. The scaremongers here have forgotten one important thing: it takes two to tango. They have forgotten that with all their Geriatric Snowflake scaremongering about a flu virus so that Big Pharma can make more money, they also scared away many ladies. Doh! Now they selfishly think that now that THEY are vaxxed, the whole world should be going back to normal again. The Marxist politicians and the big pharmaceutical corporations have other plans! They just want to "rinse can repeat" the PCR Test Scamdemic so they can milk more money and totalitarian powers from the dumb and brainwashed public.

Turgid
07-11-21, 14:59
Maybe he was reading instead of posting.....My point exactly.

Sirioja
07-11-21, 15:40
Believe me when I say this. No one is "jealous" about anything you post here. Problem is. You spam every thread with lengthy posts, which are very hard to read and understand. You writing style and grammar are very poor, sometimes to the point where it's difficult to understand what you're trying to say. I know English is not your first language, but nonetheless you decide to come here and post in English forum. As a common courtesy to other posters, you need to improve your grammar and writing style.

I am sure you're going to argue with me and claim I am somehow "jealous" of you. But try to understand what I and others are telling you. Don't spam every forum unless you have some tangible to contribute. Posted less. When you do post, write in shorter sentences and learn how to express yourself clearly and concisely.If you experienced so many jealous followers and believe me, they read all of me, before on other forum and since end of 2014 here, even when they don t understand not knowing the place. GT Bruggen superstar told me she never saw any other guy with such jealousy after him, when she used to have more than 50 clients on week end at Velbert, meaning she saw very many guys.

Sirioja
07-11-21, 19:27
Don't forget the time difference, unlike in Asia, Sunday is not over yet in Europe. Maybe more reports to come, or maybe not much good to report? Tripods everywhere, poor line-up, upselling, no food, no-limited wellness, suckers paying 50 Euro entry to watch sausages, etcetera?

IMO, most German FKK clubs are 'open' in theory only. I'm a rational person: when I see great reviews I'll change my mind and I'll get a quickie test and go myself, but so far nothing motivates me to venture out to Darmstadt. I saw a few names (Brenda, Kaira, Helen, Catalina, Ester) that I like, but I don't feel like hovering for hours in front of the door to the ladies changing rooms in order to try to grab a hot girl before another tripod does. I've seen those sausage fests at GT, and that's the main reason why I stopped going to GT.

P.S. The scaremongers here have forgotten one important thing: it takes two to tango. They have forgotten that with all their Geriatric Snowflake scaremongering about a flu virus so that Big Pharma can make more money, they also scared away many ladies. Doh! Now they selfishly think that now that THEY are vaxxed, the whole world should be going back to normal again. The Marxist politicians and the big pharmaceutical corporations have other plans! They just want to "rinse can repeat" the PCR Test Scamdemic so they can milk more money and totalitarian powers from the dumb and brainwashed public.I didn't see Asian hunter Elen from Dubai nor Melissa red hair on 1 and 9 July, but on Friday, I saw Brenda sometimes staying at the bar and Kaira and Ester were not so busy. Only 1 new was full busy. Not even Viorica nor long time Cosmina.

Ararat
07-11-21, 19:36
Sharks's management team probably anticipates that it will soon be over again with the 're-openings,'Too scared to go, too scared to think it will last.

Coward!

Sirioja
07-11-21, 19:50
I totally agree with these sentiments. I too will be returning, early next month but sometimes I wonder why I should bother writing up a report when it seems very few bother these days. So much irrelevant drivel written which does little to inform & educate the reader about the girls & their performance which after all is what we are all after. Isn't it?I can't name my 2 Sharks girls nor my Globe Swiss part timer, I just protect them from being bullshitted about me when they really don't deserve, when I had so many girls who were and I lost some from this, usually not my best girls. I also don't want grocers beggars go to ask them for 50/30 when I play with my talent and don t need help to get from girls. I remember guys going to Raïssa at World on end of June 2015 to ask her to diner for free, really incredible. When You experienced about this business, if You are not so stupid, You learn to protect and protect girls who are good for You, but each one have eyes and brain to choose. I use mine and only trust them. When you know about Globe, when I know Megan is criticized or dirtied because of me, by faker ghost, then I'm only happy she prefers Globe than Sharks she didn't like. All I can say is Sharks worth a visit when Globe is too expensive for more than 90% girls now. My subjective opinion from a very different guy.

Mursenary
07-11-21, 21:47
No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction.

Reposting here to stop the spammers from clogging up the actual mongering threads.

ShooBree
07-11-21, 22:05
Bleh. Something happened these past 5 years. Stupid people's voices are being given too much an audience. Keep them in the minority. Facts get ignored and responded by more bullshit. It's a fruitless trap. Glad the normal humans are back on the other threads. Fuckin wierdos.LMFAO, you're the weirdo. Why can't you just admit it? Just look at how you're spamming this forum with irrelevant BS day after day.

NiteRiderCal
07-11-21, 22:11
Yeah, because it kills the human, stopping the vaccine dead in its tracks. Facepalms at Dr WebMD.I hope people see these deceitful tactics. Water can kill human. Ivermectin toxicity and safety profile is well know since it been used since 1980, with 4 billion dose taken. At the dose that work for covid, it is as toxic as a baby aspirin. Unless you have a parasite, the death of a parasite can cause sickness for a few days. But wouldn't you want to get rid of a parasite anyway.

Adenovirus vector and mRNA, failed at gene therapy due to toxicity and safety concern. The hope is in the next 10, 20 years, people will come up with a formulation that will make mRNA LNP work for gene therapy. In the mean time, working and approved gene therapy is not using these platform. That is part of the reason it cost 2 to 3 million per dose.

ShooBree
07-11-21, 22:11
Too scared to go, too scared to think it will last.

Coward!You're such a pathetic weirdo, you should try to stop acting like a troll and post something relevant for once.

Mursenary
07-12-21, 01:52
In other words, we assume that the people we are speaking with are able read between the lines, and can understand more than the literal words that are coming out of our mouths. Small children and adults with autism being the exception.He knows his assertion is wrong. Now just too proud to admit. Does not rule out Autism spectrum.

BigBuddy69
07-12-21, 02:10
P.S. The scaremongers here have forgotten one important thing: it takes two to tango. They have forgotten that with all their Geriatric Snowflake scaremongering about a flu virus so that Big Pharma can make more money, they also scared away many ladies. Doh! Now they selfishly think that now that THEY are vaxxed, the whole world should be going back to normal again. The Marxist politicians and the big pharmaceutical corporations have other plans! They just want to "rinse can repeat" the PCR Test Scamdemic so they can milk more money and totalitarian powers from the dumb and brainwashed public.No don't worry they're part of your paranoid gang. Some of them think that the vaccine will make them sterile, or magnetic, or whatever.

They just read it on Facebook or Snapchat, along with 'the day of 11 September, people with Jewish origins didn't come to the office' and 'we're not really sur if the gas Chambers existed'.

McAdonis
07-12-21, 03:01
He stopped posting when covid struck in March 2020 and Sirioja has since overtaken him in most posts on ISG.Some people were using this metric before, number of days to reach 100 posts:

Sirioja slightly less than 7 days. Mursenary 18 days, Mr Ho 19 days, Turgid 27 days.

Gino02
07-12-21, 03:33
Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction.

Reposting here to stop the spammers from clogging up the actual mongering threads.You both are correct! No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures). Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction. Proves that restrictions and / or lockdowns did not have any impact (neither increased nor decreased) on mass deaths from Covid-19.

Now let's stop putting any more Covid post on this Sharks thread unless it specifically involves Sharks, we have a Rants thread for Covid-arguments LOL.

Mursenary
07-12-21, 04:24
LMFAO, you're the weirdo. Why can't you just admit it? Just look at how you're spamming this forum with irrelevant BS day after day.The Tourette's bot is back.

Mursenary
07-12-21, 04:53
I hope people see these deceitful tactics. Water can kill human. Ivermectin toxicity and safety profile is well know since it been used since 1980, with 4 billion dose taken. At the dose that work for covid, it is as toxic as a baby aspirin. Unless you have a parasite, the death of a parasite can cause sickness for a few days. But wouldn't you want to get rid of a parasite anyway.

Adenovirus vector and mRNA, failed at gene therapy due to toxicity and safety concern. The hope is in the next 10, 20 years, people will come up with a formulation that will make mRNA LNP work for gene therapy. In the mean time, working and approved gene therapy is not using these platform. That is part of the reason it cost 2 to 3 million per dose.Since you're such an accomplished man of science, try citing your peer reviewed sources for "mRNA toxicity. " Please educate and elaborate on mRNA's "toxic effects."

Meanwhile, here is the covid dosage efficacy and toxicity review for Ivermectin per National Institute of Health, Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, and American Journal of Tropical Medicine. In short, in lieu of actual clinical trials, preliminary in vitro studies show that you would need 100 x the approved dosages approved in human use (12 MG). Worse, that amount only accumulates in the specific target tissue (the lungs) at half the required therapeutic concentration. 100 x more dose leads to half required bioavailability. 12 MG used for parasites wouldn't tickle Sars-Cov-2. Science.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32314704/


Ivermectin has been shown to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in cell cultures.13 However, pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic studies suggest that achieving the plasma concentrations necessary for the antiviral efficacy detected in vitro would require administration of doses up to 100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans.14,15 Even though ivermectin appears to accumulate in the lung tissue, predicted systemic plasma and lung tissue concentrations are much lower than 2 uM, the half-maximal inhibitory concentration (IC50) against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro.16-19 Subcutaneous administration of ivermectin 400 g/kg had no effect on SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in hamsters.
Human studies per the Journal of the American Medical Association showed that dosages double the normal approved dose showed no effect on disease outcome:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389.
In this double-blind, randomized trial of symptomatic adults with mild COVID-19, a 5-day course of ivermectin vs placebo initiated in the first 7 days after evidence of infection failed to significantly improve the time to resolution of symptoms.

Interest in ivermectin in COVID-19 therapy began from an in vitro study that found that bathing SARS-CoV-2infected Vero-hSLAM cells with 5-μM ivermectin led to an approximately 5000-fold reduction in viral RNA.8 However, pharmacokinetic models indicated that the concentrations used in the in vitro study are difficult to achieve in human lungs or plasma,25 and inhibitory concentrations of ivermectin are unlikely to be achieved in humans at clinically safe doses.Scienced again.

Sirioja
07-12-21, 06:47
I hope for you that you have good timing. If all goes well, then line-ups should be back to old standard again by October and the upselling should be back to a normal level. If all goes to shit, then expect more lockdowns starting in September-October. As people might know, I'm expecting the second scenario, but just to be clear: I am not in favour of lockdowns and vaccinations. The best strategy would have been to re-open everything as normal last year and go for herd immunity, as Sweden has done. Perhaps (on paper) more "Covid" deaths in Sweden, but far less deaths due to suicides, untreated diseases like cancer and cardiovascular, a ruined economy, and ruined livelihoods. In the end it all balances out, but without totalitarian measures and closed FKKs.

So far 4 million dead by "Covid" (including the many 'deaths' by falsified statistics), which on a worldwide population of 7,8 billion is a total joke. No significant difference between North Dakota (strict DNC lockdown) and South Dakota (much more liberal).

No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.4 millions deaths from covid are more than enough for me and when fourth wave under delta is arriving in EU, Catalunya and Portugal putting on new restrictions again, rate exploding in NL, wish we can enjoy this Summer, even much more complicated for Europeans than on last Summer.

Ararat
07-12-21, 06:50
You're such a pathetic weirdo, you should try to stop acting like a troll and post something relevant for once.Bror, re-invent yourself. That stuff is just boring, just like you. If you want to be a troll you at least need to try to be funny.

Sirioja
07-12-21, 07:09
He knows his assertion is wrong. Now just too proud to admit. Does not rule out Autism spectrum.I don't care who they accept, I m not so scared by covid, I just wish for a fine belly and no rain to start my Summer tour. I heard for hours from Samya desk: do you have test? If they don't ask for 48 hours negative test, then they make a big mistake when many vaccinated are positive and spreading, why delta is spreading so fast in EU and fourth wave arriving with already some new restrictions in some places. Only my subjective opinion of course, but where tourism, rate explode.

Lefeu
07-12-21, 07:30
Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction...Colombia has no restrictions currently. They recently removed the PCR test requirement.

DrPoon
07-12-21, 12:53
Its happening in Germany now, same as the USA, the rental car rates are through the roof. There is no affordable way to get rental cars and the savings for the girls rates are overruled by the +100 per day rental car charges.

HammerTime96
07-12-21, 16:08
Mexico, Brazil, Russia had hardly any restriction.

Reposting here to stop the spammers from clogging up the actual mongering threads.You don't like the inconvenient facts that prove that lockdowns and masks are useless do you?

Remember: it's the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine madness that kept FKKs closed! In short: it's because of CCP crypto-fascists like you who follow the Chinese Model of Social Credit, lockdowns, fascist state monitoring of it's citizens and experimental vaccines.

HammerTime96
07-12-21, 16:10
No don't worry they're part of your paranoid gang. Some of them think that the vaccine will make them sterile, or magnetic, or whatever.Even bigger paranoid idiots believe that the 'vaccine' will protect them from Covid and that they will get their freedom back! Hahahaha!

"Vaxxing macht Frei!

BigBuddy69
07-12-21, 16:42
The Tourette's bot is back.We have at least two weirdos suffering from autism related troubles here.

BigBuddy69
07-12-21, 17:23
Its happening in Germany now, same as the USA, the rental car rates are through the roof. There is no affordable way to get rental cars and the savings for the girls rates are overruled by the +100 per day rental car charges.I remember renting perfectly fine cars like Ford Focus, Fiesta, even an Austin Mini for less than 20 euros a day. What a disaster.

BigBuddy69
07-12-21, 18:33
You don't like the inconvenient facts that prove that lockdowns and masks are useless do you?

Remember: it's the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine madness that kept FKKs closed! In short: it's because of CCP crypto-fascists like you who follow the Chinese Model of Social Credit, lockdowns, fascist state monitoring of it's citizens and experimental vaccines.And it's because of the no lockdowns no mask no nothing policy that the death rates in India and Brazil are skyrocketing.

Smoke Light
07-12-21, 19:22
Its happening in Germany now, same as the USA, the rental car rates are through the roof. There is no affordable way to get rental cars and the savings for the girls rates are overruled by the +100 per day rental car charges.I reserved my rental for the end of July / August for $67 USD per day via booking dot com. And it was advertised as 20% discount because I also booked a hotel with them. I agree, it is fucking hell with cars right now, but I can no longer stay home in sex prison USA. Too afraid of the 4th or 5th or whatever wave and next lockdown that governments may impose in the fall. I must go now.

DrPoon
07-12-21, 19:30
I remember renting perfectly fine cars like Ford Focus, Fiesta, even an Austin Mini for less than 20 euros a day. What a disaster.My best deal was like 12 euros a day. Cheaper than the train.

NiteRiderCal
07-12-21, 23:40
At Murse,

It is not in the interest of company to public result saying their drug is toxic. Most, if not all of moderna partner for gene therapy was pulling back funding because it fail. Don't get me wrong, mRNA / LNP is a great technology. Let just say I have an interest in finding a company with the formulation that is safe and hopefully specific. Point me to one company and I will treat you to a whole day at a FKK.

Do you know what is the FLCCC recommendation? 0. 2 MG / kg for prevention. 0. 2 to 0. 4 MG / kg for outpatient. 0. 4 to 0. 6 MG / kg for the sickest hospitalized patient. Per your links of publication, well below 2 MG / kg, even 2 MG / kg was still found to be safe. But no one are saying to take that high of a dose.

Have you read the JAMA publication that you posted the link? I look into it. One interpretation is Covid is not more than a flu to people under 65 and no comorbidity. These patient was so healthy that the researchers committed one of clinical trial red flag, changing the primary outcome in the middle of a trial. The original design for primary outcome was time to worsen. In the middle of the trial, they change it to time to resolution. Secondly, the adverse event is the same for both Ivermectin and placebo. I don't know, but it look like the placebo group got ivermectin to me.

But the most important conclusion I get form that study is covid is just a flu for people under 65 and no comorbidity.

Why don't look at the many study, saying that ivermectin work for both prevention and treatment.

Mursenary
07-13-21, 02:50
At Murse,

It is not in the interest of company to public result saying their drug is toxic. Most, if not all of moderna partner for gene therapy was pulling back funding because it fail. Don't get me wrong, mRNA / LNP is a great technology. Let just say I have an interest in finding a company with the formulation that is safe and hopefully specific. Point me to one company and I will treat you to a whole day at a FKK.Considering that the use of mRNA vaccines is not gene therapy on human genetic material, I have no idea why you even discuss that. It's foreign genetic material that is translated without manipulating human dna. You probably know that but in ill-faith connect it to "failed gene therapy" efforts.


Do you know what is the FLCCC recommendation? 0. 2 MG / kg for prevention. 0. 2 to 0. 4 MG / kg for outpatient. 0. 4 to 0. 6 MG / kg for the sickest hospitalized patient. Per your links of publication, well below 2 MG / kg, even 2 MG / kg was still found to be safe. But no one are saying to take that high of a dose.First, looks like you confused 2 MG / kg for 2 micrograms. Who proposed 2 MG / kg to be safe? That's 150 MG for a 75 kg man. You trying to kill people? Geesuz.

I'll leave the door open for Ivermectin as a prophylaxis because that has merit. But that's not exactly something that could have been deployed in large scale until much later in the pandemic year as it took that long to generate studies to support any efficacy.

But as for treatment, find where those FLCCC recommended doses are supported in peer reviewed studies when studies in laboratory results suggests a much higher effective dose. And as always, lab results are always ideal estimates and real world efficacy requires much higher dosages due to decreased efficacy because of lower bioavailability.

I mean, did you even vet your source?


Have you read the JAMA publication that you posted the link? I look into it. One interpretation is Covid is not more than a flu to people under 65 and no comorbidity. ()

But the most important conclusion I get form that study is covid is just a flu for people under 65 and no comorbidity.

Why don't look at the many study, saying that ivermectin work for both prevention and treatment.Considering that I posted an excerpt directly from the JAMA article, I believe yeah, it was read. Not sure why you didn't address the point of the JAMA article, that 0. 3 MG / kg of Ivermectin produced no benefit for COVID treatment, even in just MILD cases.

And then you misdirect and start talking about COVID to flu parallels. Why? Even considering that, your own FLCCC, even talks about post-COVID long haulers.

Furthermore, why does your beloved FLCCC invest so much effort into COVID treatment when you at the same time are belittling COVID severity. Seems quite incongruent. I mean, did YOU even read the JAMA article? Where is this point of under 65 people not having major problems mentioned in the JAMA article? Did you make this part up thinking I wouldn't notice? Makes me further question your integrity.

Per FLCCC website:


Ivermectin in post-COVID-19 syndrome
Increasing reports of persistent, vexing, and even disabling symptoms after recovery from acute COVID-19 have been reported and which many have termed the condition as long Covid and patients as long haulers, estimated to occur in approximately 10% of cases (Callard and Perego, 2020;Rubin, 2020;Siegelman, 2020). Generally considered as a post-viral syndrome consisting of a chronic and sometimes disabling constellation of symptoms which include, in order, fatigue, shortness of breath, joint pains and chest pain. Many patients describe their most disabling symptom as impaired memory and concentration, often with extreme fatigue, described as brain fog, and are highly suggestive of the condition myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome, a condition well- reported to begin after viral infections, in particular with Epstein-Barr virus. Although no specific
www.flccc.net.At the end of the day, the few studies FLCCC use as supporting evidence is at minimum contradicted by other more proven sources such as the cited American Medical Association. The choice to believe in a group with a suspicious reputation and holding political allegiance over the leading physicians authority in the world is a bit questionable and reeks of professional bias.

BigBuddy69
07-13-21, 03:10
According to this article:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01433-3

It sounds really worse than the flu.

People aged 16-30 still having difficulties to breath 6 months after? Doesn't sound good.

PaulInZurich
07-13-21, 10:09
Even bigger paranoid idiots believe that the 'vaccine' will protect them from Covid and that they will get their freedom back! Hahahaha!

"Vaxxing macht Frei!You might want to educate yourself what paranoia means. Get a dictionary.

PaulInZurich
07-13-21, 10:13
when many vaccinated are positive and spreading, why delta is spreading so fast in EU and fourth wave arriving with already some new restrictions in some places. Only my subjective opinion of course, but where tourism, rate explode.Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?

Pistons
07-13-21, 10:47
Let's not forget that the vaccine was purposefully released onto the population. We know this from the Chinese covered it up. And also from certain amino acids on the crown which enhances mutation rates. As well as a vaccine patent in China against the virus even before it had been released.

Mursenary
07-13-21, 12:50
So far 4 million dead by "Covid" (including the many 'deaths' by falsified statistics), which on a worldwide population of 7,8 billion is a total joke. No significant difference between North Dakota (strict DNC lockdown) and South Dakota (much more liberal).

No mass deaths in Nicaragua (no lockdown), Florida, Texas, or Sweden (very soft and un-intrusive measures) as 'predicted' by all the fearmongers.Here's an example of massive misrepresentation of data.

Claim: no lockdown in Nicaragua and no massive deaths.

Reality: Nicaragua does not actively test for covid. However excess death remains high and undercount ratio is 2nd only Tak It's actually ranked 2nd in the world only to Tajikistan, wherever that is. Nicaragua undercounts somewhere in the 50 x vicinity.

https://elifesciences.org/download/aHR0cHM6Ly9jZG4uZWxpZmVzY2llbmNlcy5vcmcvYXJ0aWNsZXMvNjkzMzYvZWxpZmUtNjkzMzYtdjIucGRmP2Nhbm9uaWNhbFVyaT1odHRwczovL2VsaWZlc2NpZW5jZXMub3JnL2FydGljbGVzLzY5MzM2/elife-69336-v2.pdf?_hash=Y7t7DrsfdIrmm%2BIFMaGJg%2Bm1L7xZXlt2UqJcQB2KOYY%3D

https://havanatimes.org/features/nicaragua-underreports-covid-19-deaths-by-90/

As for North Dakota and South Dakota, more false scapegoating. North Dakota's restrictions were governor mandates, a republican. Furthermore, at the time of restriction mandates, both States had some of the highest rates in the nation. However North Dakota declined much faster, starting higher and ended lower in a quicker time span. Not like the restrictions were much of anything anyway.

https://www.postbulletin.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6824462-North-Dakota-got-a-mask-mandate-South-Dakota-didnt.-COVID-19-cases-have-plummeted-in-both

No idea where these people get the no mass casualties in Texas claim. They're just randomly making up shit and seeing what they want to see.

More politically bias bullshit. An insult to data representation.

Mursenary
07-13-21, 12:59
You asked, I just answered. Same than at LR when you came and needed to tell me your so pathetic story, or did I come to you and tell you about my girls? I will have to waste my time, drive more than 1200 kms and take risk in dangerous Switzerland for you, so don't forget Sambrancher croosroads on 2 October and if you forget, at least let me know here, not to make me going for nothing, when Verbier is not on my climbing tour, when I didn't even take risk to go to ski on April. Ego is good engine for life.Awaiting wager. Don't see it.

Mursenary
07-13-21, 13:04
Remember: it's the lockdowns, the masks, the vaccine madness that kept FKKs closed! In short: it's because of CCP crypto-fascists like you who follow the Chinese Model of Social Credit, lockdowns, fascist state monitoring of it's citizens and experimental vaccines.Pretty sure it was the massive amounts of people dying that kept clubs closed. Would have been much more if your kind had their way. FKKs would have been closed maybe forever if your people had won out. Good thing they lost.

DrPoon
07-13-21, 13:32
At Murse,

It is not in the interest of company to public result saying their drug is toxic. Most, if not all of moderna partner for gene therapy was pulling back funding because it fail. Don't get me wrong, mRNA / LNP is a great technology. Let just say I have an interest in finding a company with the formulation that is safe and hopefully specific. Point me to one company and I will treat you to a whole day at a FKK.

Do you know what is the FLCCC recommendation? 0. 2 MG / kg for prevention. 0. 2 to 0. 4 MG / kg for outpatient. 0. 4 to 0. 6 MG / kg for the sickest hospitalized patient. Per your links of publication, well below 2 MG / kg, even 2 MG / kg was still found to be safe. But no one are saying to take that high of a dose.

Have you read the JAMA publication that you posted the link? I look into it. One interpretation is Covid is not more than a flu to people under 65 and no comorbidity. These patient was so healthy that the researchers committed one of clinical trial red flag, changing the primary outcome in the middle of a trial. The original design for primary outcome was time to worsen. In the middle of the trial, they change it to time to resolution. Secondly, the adverse event is the same for both Ivermectin and placebo. I don't know, but it look like the placebo group got ivermectin to me.At the very least all those on the Ivermectin plan will be free of lice, crabs, and skin mites.

Mursenary
07-13-21, 16:21
Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?I believe that it's been made clear that the uptick in UK cases has been largely associated with the young and / or unvaccinated. Same here in the United States in a handful of the most unvaccinated states. These new cases are disproportionately skewed to milder symptoms because they are seen in the relatively young. Hospitalizations have been trending up but less so than during the Christmas wave. But more importantly, as expected, deaths have not correlated to the same degree as the previous waves. My hospital went from 0 ICU cases to 3 in the past week. All 3 are in their 50's and were unvaccinated. Only one required intubation.

JohnEllee
07-13-21, 18:28
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Unfortunately this is the case. Is there any way that we can limit the quantity of posts by 'S'.

I have no intention of causing bad feeling. For those who take this forum as a useful informative tool you will understand where I am coming from.

Even prior to Covid the excessive posts of non informative drivel by 'S' has completely dominated the forum.

I for one would like to see a return to regular updates on daily visits to Sharks and reading about the Good and Bad experiences had.I have to agree with your sentiments.

Although this site continues to add informative posts which help us all in our hobby I do find there are more totally irrelevant posts than before, thus diluting the quality of information that we all use and value. Well I do!I agree with you. I wish we could see more informative posts instead of posts by 'S'.

Pistons
07-13-21, 18:46
Let's not forget that the vaccine was purposefully released onto the population. We know this from the Chinese covered it up. And also from certain amino acids on the crown which enhances mutation rates. As well as a vaccine patent in China against the virus even before it had been released.And by that I meant covid-19 was purposefully released onto the public. Which is not to also say that my initial post here is actually kinda funny given that error.

ShooBree
07-13-21, 19:32
And it's because of the no lockdowns no mask no nothing policy that the death rates in India and Brazil are skyrocketing.That's simply not true. Both countries had lockdowns and restrictions, you really should educate yourself better before you decide to spread fake news. Try Google.

It's also interesting to see how there are other countries with more deaths per capita which you choose to ignore. There are also countries with less restrictions than India and Brazil which fared better. You're nothing but an uneducated demagogue.

You're brainwashed by the media, that's what you're talking about India and Brazil even though more people died per capita in Peru and Hungary.

ShooBree
07-13-21, 19:34
Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?It's a well established fact that many, many fully vaccinated did in fact get infected with COVID-19. But please do show a source which says that fully vaccinated can't get infected.

ShooBree
07-13-21, 19:35
Pretty sure it was the massive amounts of people dying that kept clubs closed. Would have been much more if your kind had their way. FKKs would have been closed maybe forever if your people had won out. Good thing they lost.Haha, nope. You're wrong. Stop it with your lies and uneducated guesses.

ShooBree
07-13-21, 19:40
Bror, re-invent yourself. That stuff is just boring, just like you. If you want to be a troll you at least need to try to be funny.I'm not surprised to see that you're trying to gaslight serious posters as myself. Stop trying to ruin this forum with your BS trolling. You're not being funny, you're just a sad little weirdo.

ShooBree
07-13-21, 19:42
The Tourette's bot is back.It's kinda sad that you don't realize how weird people think you're. You're the type of loser that women have to file a restraining order against. LMFAO! Get a life, a job and some friends.

ShooBree
07-13-21, 19:44
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6%3Famp

Sirioja
07-13-21, 21:25
Wouldn't it be nice if people would educate themselves before coming with strong opinions. Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers. Oh, I forget you only trust what you can see with your own eyes. Well, did you see with your own eyes the virus jumping from a vaccinated person to another person? Or you trust French doctors? How come Macron makes vaccination of all health care personnel mandatory? Does he listen to French doctors or not?Because they are vaccinated, many are not careful, knowing they are quite protected, but they give to others. Would you let enter a vaccinated who is positive? What about both papy at Globe, Sofia won't have anymore geriatric business as past nurse, or at Sharks, then who will win for chess? And many fat? When delta fourth wave is arriving in EU, much faster spreading, Macron tries to protect weakest, when I never wrote not to vaccine, you can read all as you do, but I say this is not enough for covid playfield brothels and I don't say this being scared when I don't care for me, but if cluster, then closed for a while. About French forum you repeat bullshits without even knowing, you can read a claimed Globe specialist telling Megan started at Globe under covid, when she arrived on April 2017 and she wish to return to GT Bruggen when will reopen, but problem is she never worked at Bruggen and don't even know this club. FKK land of bullshits. For sure, not Megan. I would say Melissa ex Tara ex Ashley, long time German prostitute who finished at Globe on Summer 2020 , like whale on the beach. He even hallucinated seeing Linda ex YY NL. Maybe she put silicon to become Sofia ex Artemis?

NiteRiderCal
07-13-21, 22:58
At Murse,

I will assume that you have not read the the JAMA publication that you posted a link to. If have, then you are a lab technician who never design an experiment involving statistics in your life. Technician tend to just read the conclusion due to the lack of understand of the scientific process.

Experimental design 101. A study can only test what it was design to test. To do anything different, you are committing a sin of data mining. While data mining is useful (and I encourage people to do it), however, a conclusion / hypothesis from data mining must be tested again with a new experiment. That new experiment must be powered and designed to test your new hypothesis coming from data mining.

I should get pay for teaching you this shit.

Now, on to the JAMA paper and I will connect the dot for you. The author designed an experiment to test ivermectin vs placebo with primary outcome as time to deterioration. Let look at the result.

Deterioration, 1. 8% in ivermectin, 3. 5% in the placebo.

Deaths, No one die in ivermectin, 1 person die in placebo.

The author incorrectly design the study with the assumption, covid will lead to deterioration in this population. The reality is COVID is just a flu or common cold in this population. It might be deathly in other population. But that is not what they are looking at. Understand.

The author decided that the above data is meaningless. Therefore, they decided to change the primary outcome to time to resolution. Red flag.

Time to resolution, 10 days for ivermectin vs 12 days for placebo.

Once again the above data is meaningless because this population is too healthy. They need to powered it correct with a new study. The rule of thumb is you need a large (N) If you have a healthy population.

In addition, the author made an error and rightfully accounted for that. However, I'm a little surprise that the adverse event is the same for both ivermectin and placebo. Suggesting other error which was not caught. Ivermectin is safe, but even an baby aspirin will have some detectable adverse event. Anyway, I'm less concern about this and more concern about the poor experimental design.

Take away, Covid is a common cold in this population of people under 65, with no comorbidities, living in this geographical area. Other population, covid might be deathly, I don't know. OK.

Mursenary
07-13-21, 23:09
It's kinda sad that you don't realize how weird people think you're. You're the type of loser that women have to file a restraining order against. LMFAO! Get a life, a job and some friends.I got you covered dude:

Mursenary
07-13-21, 23:12
I'm not surprised to see that you're trying to gaslight serious posters as myself. Stop trying to ruin this forum with your BS trolling. You're not being funny, you're just a sad little weirdo.Back to trolling all of us?

Or having another psychotic episode?

Mursenary
07-14-21, 00:57
At Murse,

I will assume that you have not read the the JAMA publication that you posted a link to. If have, then you are a lab technician who never design an experiment involving statistics in your life. Technician tend to just read the conclusion due to the lack of understand of the scientific process.

Experimental design 101. A study can only test what it was design to test. To do anything different, you are committing a sin of data mining. While data mining is useful (and I encourage people to do it), however, a conclusion / hypothesis from data mining must be tested again with a new experiment. That new experiment must be powered and designed to test your new hypothesis coming from data mining.

I should get pay for teaching you this shit.

Now, on to the JAMA paper and I will connect the dot for you. The author designed an experiment to test ivermectin vs placebo with primary outcome as time to deterioration. Let look at the result.

Deterioration, 1. 8% in ivermectin, 3. 5% in the placebo.

Deaths, No one die in ivermectin, 1 person die in placebo.

The author incorrectly design the study with the assumption, covid will lead to deterioration in this population. The reality is COVID is just a flu or common cold in this population. It might be deathly in other population. But that is not what they are looking at. Understand.

The author decided that the above data is meaningless. Therefore, they decided to change the primary outcome to time to resolution. Red flag..And you're a low integrity "researcher" who uses red herrings and misdirection ignoring things to which you have no rebuttal who doesn't know the difference between a milligram and a microgram.

Anyway, Quite a reach of a conclusion with lots of little borderline grab-out-of-your-ass particulars for the cited JAMA study when the FLCCC's main cited study of focus (Egypt) compared Ivermectin to HCQ (suspect?) while all other studies they cited had sample sizes in the teens. It goes both ways.

One thing is clear, the NIH article from the Journal of Pharmacology indisputably showed that just in LAB studies showed that in pure tissue (the molecular level), Ivermectin required much higher doses in order to produce anti-viral effects against SARS-COV-2. And that's without being filtered by the liver or attached to binding proteins in the body, Bioavailability. Do you even understand pharmacodynamics? Apparently not.

ShooBree
07-14-21, 09:57
Back to trolling all of us?

Or having another psychotic episode?Dude,

You live on this site. Do you understand how pathetic that is? It's obvious that you're the one having serious mental problems. Please keep trolling so I can laugh at you and thank God that I'm not you.

PaulInZurich
07-14-21, 15:22
Because they are vaccinated, many are not careful, knowing they are quite protected.Please explain how you are more careful in a brothel, with or without a vaccine. The rest of the post is just meaningless gibberish which has nothing to do with the subject.

PaulInZurich
07-14-21, 15:24
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6%3FampNext time maybe read more than just the title. Here is the key point: "An analysis by UK health officials found that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine were 88% effective against Delta while a single shot was 33% effective. That's compared with 95% efficacy against the original strain, or 52% after one shot. "

Mursenary
07-14-21, 17:33
Dude,

You live on this site. Do you understand how pathetic that is? It's obvious that you're the one having serious mental problems. Please keep trolling so I can laugh at you and thank God that I'm not you.Yawn. Basic trolling. Try harder.

ShooBree
07-14-21, 18:03
Next time maybe read more than just the title. Here is the key point: "An analysis by UK health officials found that two doses of Pfizer's vaccine were 88% effective against Delta while a single shot was 33% effective. That's compared with 95% efficacy against the original strain, or 52% after one shot. "Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending because I squashed your argument into a million pieces? And don't try to change the subject, let me remind you of your own words:

"Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers".

I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.

PaulInZurich
07-14-21, 20:33
Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending because I squashed your argument into a million pieces? And don't try to change the subject, let me remind you of your own words:

"Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers".

I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother."New daily cases reported in Israel have jumped to over 100", out of that maybe half on vaccinated people, with no number how many of those were actually fully vaccinated. So less than 50 is a large number for you?

You can't even troll properly, you have to try harder to make it interesting, this is too easy. You are just as easy to make a fool of like S.

Mursenary
07-14-21, 21:13
I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.When one has to insult another person by labeling them some profession with derogatory intent, it shows that they have no content in their words. It's a reflection that even they have no faith on the merit of their own argument.

Arguments made with ill-faith same to be prevalent from the same cast of characters.

Anyway, fully vaccinated makes up 8% of June's Delta cases in the UK:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998.amp

HammerTime96
07-14-21, 21:26
The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL!

HammerTime96
07-14-21, 22:11
Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending because I squashed your argument into a million pieces? And don't try to change the subject, let me remind you of your own words:

"Please quote a single source that says that vaccinated people are being infected in large numbers".

I'm amazed by how stupid people on this forum are. I feel sorry for your coworkers, or in Nurse case; his mother.Yes, ignorance and stupidity are bliss.

Funny how the narrative changed: first the vaccine was "the only way end the pandemic," but now it has been twisted into "you'll still get infected, but it won't be as bad. " Hahahaha!

In the EUSSR only 50% of people have received their second vaccine shot, but the Pharma Fascists are already talking about a third "booster shot!" That's how well the vaccine 'protects' you from SARS-CoV-2! / sarc.

In the meantime, "thousands of unvaccinated people are getting infected with the Delta Plus Variant" all over Europe, but hospitals are empty! That's how "dangerous" it is!

Guess what: I'll stick to my natural immune system instead of chemical shit from Big Pharma, as 99,85% of people under 70 have no problemo whatsoever with Covid19! If I get a cold or a flu, I'll sick it out! Fuck Big Pharma, fuck the politicians, fuck the Snowflake Crybabies, fuck Klaus Schwab, fuck the Goebbels Mainstream Media, and fuck the CCP!

NiteRiderCal
07-14-21, 22:56
At Murse.

I have to work and don't have time to write a book on every point you bring up.

Once again, when you post a link, did you even read it?


Subjects (n = 68) were assigned to one of four panels (3:1, ivermectin/placebo): 30 or 60 mg (three times a week) or 90 or 120 mg (single dose). The 30 mg panel (range: 34 7-594 microg/kg) also received a single dose with food after a 1-week washout. Safety assessments addressed both known ivermectin CNS effects and general toxicity
Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kgUp to 10 x the highest dose of. That is 200 micrg / kg X 10 equal to 2 MG / kg. Unless my English is wrong here? As I said, no one is recommending this high of a dose, even if your link said that it is safe.

Dude, your just a technician who think you can go from lab bench to bed side. WTF. You can't even go from animal to the bed. That is sooo amateurish.

There are many, many publication supporting ivermectin. Each by itself does not mean shit and I can sit here and rip it apart all day. However, taking together and with metastudy done by FLCCC as well as other, it is a powerful evident. Not gold standard but powerful evident in my book. In addition, doctor all over the world, claiming they see their patient get better the next day. Once again anecdote does mean shit. But taking all together. I will be taking ivermectin if I even get a sneeze.

I trust the FLCCC doctor. I don't trust our scientific bureaucrat. I see to many amateurish technician go in to bureaucrat.

ShooBree
07-14-21, 23:04
"New daily cases reported in Israel have jumped to over 100", out of that maybe half on vaccinated people, with no number how many of those were actually fully vaccinated. So less than 50 is a large number for you?

You can't even troll properly, you have to try harder to make it interesting, this is too easy. You are just as easy to make a fool of like S.So 50 % is not much, it's hilarious how you try to change the narrative time after time.

And then the Dunning-Kruger effect kicks in, you're simply too stupid to realize that you're the stupid one.

You can gaslight and troll all you want, in the end of the day you're still wrong.

ShooBree
07-14-21, 23:07
When one has to insult another person by labeling them some profession with derogatory intent, it shows that they have no content in their words. It's a reflection that even they have no faith on the merit of their own argument.

Arguments made with ill-faith same to be prevalent from the same cast of characters.

Anyway, fully vaccinated makes up 8% of June's Delta cases in the UK:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57610998.ampThis is hilarious, you must be schizophrenic considering how you just the other day called me a troll and psychopathic. Or how you called me a "school shooter".

Yeah, you got some serious mental problems, that's probably why you don't have any job, friends or life. You're a sad little weirdo who spends all his time writing BS on ISG from his mother's basement. You have to understand that you're a loser, get back to me when you have a life.

Thank you for proving my point, 8% is very much a significant number.

The indisputable fact is that vaccinated people are still getting infected with COVID.

ShooBree
07-14-21, 23:11
Yawn. Basic trolling. Try harder.I'm not trolling, just telling how it's. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you're an unemployed loser without any real friends. Just admit that you're a weirdo and that's probably the reason why you spend so much time on this site day after day.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 00:49
I'm not trolling, just telling how it's. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you're an unemployed loser without any real friends. Just admit that you're a weirdo and that's probably the reason why you spend so much time on this site day after day.So young, so angry. Must be the hormones in the chickens.

"That boy ain't right."

Mursenary
07-15-21, 01:31
At Murse.

I have to work and don't have time to write a book on every point you bring up.

Once again, when you post a link, did you even read it?

Up to 10 x the highest dose of. That is 200 micrg / kg X 10 equal to 2 MG / kg. Unless my English is wrong here? As I said, no one is recommending this high of a dose, even if your link said that it is safe.

Dude, your just a technician who think you can go from lab bench to bed side. WTF. You can't even go from animal to the bed. That is sooo amateurish.

There are many, many publication supporting ivermectin. Each by itself does not mean shit and I can sit here and rip it apart all day. However, taking together and with metastudy done by FLCCC as well as other, it is a powerful evident. Not gold standard but powerful evident in my book. In addition, doctor all over the world, claiming they see their patient get better the next day. Once again anecdote does mean shit. But taking all together. I will be taking ivermectin if I even get a sneeze.

I trust the FLCCC doctor. I don't trust our scientific bureaucrat. I see to many amateurish technician go in to bureaucrat.What's with these guys and their tendency to label a person with an occupation with derogatory intent? Lab tech, nurse. Pessimist once called me a researcher. Is it insecurity issues leading them to talk shit on society's blue collar workers? Or is that the natural thing to do when one gets called out on their bullshit, straw-man and ad hominem attacks. Not to mention the slimy and snobby energy of repulsive arrogance that type of thinkinv implies about the poster.

Anyway. English motherfucker, do you speak it? Article clearly states that even at 10 times the recommended dose, it would not be effective. At no point did they say that ten times dose (2 MG) was safe. Geesuz fucking christ. Arrogant and can't read.

If you are going to come at someone with insults of intelligence and qualifications, you might want to get your shit together first. Step one, work on reading comprehension of a scientific paper.
Cumulatively, the findings suggest that ivermectin does not significantly affect the course of early COVID-19, consistent with pharmacokinetic models showing that plasma total and unbound ivermectin levels do not reach the concentration resulting in 50% of viral inhibition even for a dose level 10-times higher than the approved doseDude doesn't trust the American Medical Association. Meanwhile, trusts FLCCC doctors who took information from third world studies with the smallest of sample sizes. Not to mention largest study that compares Ivermectin to hydroxychloroquine rather than placebos.

You're not bedside or clinical, stay in your lane. But then again, your inability to read a simple paper and extract the correct information makes me questions your research credentials.

The other scenario is that you are able to read correctly but doesn't have the integrity to present it truthfully. Maybe it's both.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 01:38
The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL!In all seriousness. We know you have your prerogative of seeing a future club closures and rooting for the current scene to fail.

But stop being a dick and keep that shit over here instead of flooding the club pertinent subforums.

NiteRiderCal
07-15-21, 01:52
Thank you for proving my point, 8% is very much a significant number.

The indisputable fact is that vaccinated people are still getting infected with COVID.That 8% is dangerous. That 8% is the reason covid will escape adaptive immunity, creating a mutation that will fuck humanity up. It is irresponsible for people to get this unproven fail gene therapy vaccine with unknown long term safety.

Unfortunately, scientist and vaccinated people don't believe in evolution.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 05:44
I'm not trolling,Well that's a God damn lie.

Prelude141
07-15-21, 09:19
The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL!That's the issue. It came to my ears from fellow mongers who visited the place recently that the line up is.

Sirioja
07-15-21, 09:53
Please explain how you are more careful in a brothel, with or without a vaccine. The rest of the post is just meaningless gibberish which has nothing to do with the subject.You don't seem to understand the meaning of words, being too obsessed new follower, so once again, 48 hours negative test is more safe for me for brothels than a vaccinated who is positive because he knows he is protected, and will give to his girls of the day, maybe he makes FKK tour, girls giving to 5/10 guys, some old, some fat, some diabetic, one who try to change his mind when he has cancer. My example about a claimed Switzerland and Globe specialist bullshiting about Megan I know a bit, since 6 years, even not anymore being her weekly regular at Globe, when she knows I preferred in Germany than public sex she would not want with me, she didn't even want in Spartacus I like for good light, is to not believe all what is written. But maybe you don't even know long time in business at YY NL, then GT Bruggen, then Globe, German Melissa? Who didn't return on 2021, like Linda also ex YY NL, when Virginia is ex Rotterdam, when I say girls don't start at Globe. Globe don't seem able to attract fresh flesh, when Samya, Velbert before, Sharks, Finca, Bab, are able. Found a virgin look and manners on last week end.

HammerTime96
07-15-21, 10:42
I'm not trolling, just telling how it's. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you're an unemployed loser without any real friends. Just admit that you're a weirdo and that's probably the reason why you spend so much time on this site day after day.Or he gets paid (by the CCP or by Big Pharma) to be here. They like to recruit losers with a lot of time on their hands.

HammerTime96
07-15-21, 10:52
Here we go: official admission by the WHO that the experimental vaccine strategy has failed:

https://www.rt.com/news/529234-coronavirus-who-third-wave/


WHO declares 3rd wave of Covid-19 pandemic, says gains from vaccines have been reversed as Delta variant spreadsIt was all so predictable (Corona viruses mutate faster than Big Pharma can develop 'vaccines. ' but Mursenary, BigBuddy69, PaulInZurich have plunged the P6 world into fear about nothing.

If we had not followed the fascist CCP strategy of lockdowns, this flu wave would have been behind us since summer last year, and we would have been clubbing now without masks, without tests, and enjoying a great line-up!

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

Page 7:


For people < 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with
available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0.05%); the corrected values were similar. P.S. The above quoted paper by Prof. John Ioannidis was already submitted on May 13th 2020, that is last year! LOL!

The Cane
07-15-21, 11:08
The line up at Sharks must be fantastic if people are spending more time talking about salmon than about sexy WGs. LOL!Reminds me of "Beffen" who was always talking about having his side salad versus "tossing salad" on a hot girl LOL!

Kippen
07-15-21, 14:04
Anyone knows where they will be re-opening the Sauna? Any open Saunas in the other FKKs across Germany? (at the end of the day its a "sauna' club isn't?As already said the sauna is open. I can't find any covid rules in hessen which regulates the number of people in a sauna etc. What I can find is is a law that allows a maximum of 250 people in the club. Fully vaccinated people should not be included in this 250 people. That could be a reason there is a lack of girls in the club.

Does anyone know when Hessen is reviewing the rules? When can we expect a new report where they might change the rules? Do they have fixed dates when they present new rules?

ExpatLover
07-15-21, 14:14
As already said the sauna is open. I can't find any covid rules in hessen which regulates the number of people in a sauna etc. What I can find is is a law that allows a maximum of 250 people in the club. Fully vaccinated people should not be included in this 250 people. That could be a reason there is a lack of girls in the club.

Does anyone know when Hessen is reviewing the rules? When can we expect a new report where they might change the rules? Do they have fixed dates when they present new rules?I think that the 4th wave is already popping up in Europe, I wrote many times on this forum that the vaccines have efficiency around 50% at their best, more and more vaccinated people are getting sick. The covid is a virus like the normal flue, we never could get a real efficient vaccine against the flue why should the things change now? The different government are adapting their rules following the spread or not of the pandemic so impossible to answer your question.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 15:25
Or he gets paid (by the CCP or by Big Pharma) to be here. They like to recruit losers with a lot of time on their hands.What? They pay he-nurses? Wow. "When your argument sucks, just throw every ad hominem possible."

Mursenary
07-15-21, 15:27
You don't seem to understand the meaning of words,.You seem to be too much a bullshitter to put up your money to complete the wager.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 15:51
Here we go: official admission by the WHO that the experimental vaccine strategy has failed:

https://www.rt.com/news/529234-coronavirus-who-third-wave/

It was all so predictable (Corona viruses mutate faster than Big Pharma can develop 'vaccines. ' but Mursenary, BigBuddy69, PaulInZurich have plunged the P6 world into fear about nothing.Claim: Vaccines failed:

Reality: Article cites declining vaccination rates in Europe and north America and lack of access to vaccines in third world nations for rising case numbers.

Conclusion: AntiVaxxerd and poverty are the biggest reason we're still dealing with covid.


As increasing vaccination rates in Europe and North America started to take effect, we saw sustained declines in cases and deaths," Ghebreyesus said. "Unfortunately, those trends have now reversed (decrease vaccination rates and increasing cases), and we are in the early stages of a third wave."

Ghebreyesus lamented that lack of access to vaccines has left most of the world's population susceptible to infection and "at the mercy of the virus." While some nations with ample vaccine supplies have lifted social-distancing restrictions and reopened their societies, many countries haven't received any Covid-19 jabs, he added. Most don't have enough.

We continue to see a shocking disparity in the global distribution of vaccines and unequal access to life-saving tools," Ghebreyesus said. "This inequity has created a two-track pandemic."

G7 nations have pledged to donate a combined one billion doses over the next year, but the WHO chief said that "much more is needed, much faster."Forget about seeing the inside of an FKK in 2021" -HammerTime69, January 2021.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 16:00
That 8% is dangerous. That 8% is the reason covid will escape adaptive immunity, creating a mutation that will fuck humanity up. It is irresponsible for people to get this unproven fail gene therapy vaccine with unknown long term safety.

Unfortunately, scientist and vaccinated people don't believe in evolution.But you're a researcher who misinterprets major points of a scientific paper while admonishing others for being unqualified. Given this hit to credibility, who gives a shit about your opinion?

Mursenary
07-15-21, 17:21
That 8% is dangerous. That 8% is the reason covid will escape adaptive immunity, creating a mutation that will fuck humanity up. It is irresponsible for people to get this unproven fail gene therapy vaccine with unknown long term safety.

Unfortunately, scientist and vaccinated people don't believe in evolution.What's your threshold when you deem 8 percent after 2 doses to be too high?

2 doses of polio IPV vaccine is 90% effective (10% escape). The 4 doses recommended later in history (may happen with covid) led to 99% effective.

MMR is 93% effective against measles after one dose, 97% after 2. That's 7% and 3% escape.

MMR is 78% effective against Mumps after one dose, 88% after 2. (22% and 12% escape).

Tetanus Tdap vaccine has a 95% effectiveness against tetanus after 2 doses (5% escape).

Pertussis dTap vaccine has 80-90% effectiveness against Whooping Cough, (10-20% escape).

Varicella vaccine has a 90% effectiveness after 2 doses (10% escape).

At the moment, Pfizer-Moderna-AZ in the UK is collectively 92% effective against Delta after 2 doses. And that's without the benefit of some herd immunity seen in the other pathogens.

Quite parallel numbers, better in some cases. Anyone see any super polio, super measles, super chicken pox outbreaks? Those darn scientists.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 17:27
If we had not followed the fascist CCP strategy of lockdowns, this flu wave would have been behind us since summer last year, and we would have been clubbing now without masks, without tests, and enjoying a great line-up!Definitely the most impressive display of "sore loser" I have ever witnessed short of children "taking my ball and I'm going home. " (At least those kids went home and people stopped having to hear them whine.).

The sour grapes displayed by this one is insufferable.

"You will not see FKKs opening in 2021." -HammerTime69, February 2021.

ShooBree
07-15-21, 18:23
What? They pay he-nurses? Wow. "When your argument sucks, just throw every ad hominem possible."Its hilarious that you're pretending to get upset by ad hominem attacks when you're the one who derailed the conversation by all your lies and personal attacks.

You can either admit that you're an hypocritical asshole or it will be obvious to everyone that you got some serious mental problems.

ShooBree
07-15-21, 18:28
So young, so angry. Must be the hormones in the chickens.

"That boy ain't right."LMFAO, it's hilarious to see how desperate you're. Get a life boomer.

ShooBree
07-15-21, 18:29
Well that's a God damn lie.Another worthless BS post from you, are you really that lonely?

ShooBree
07-15-21, 18:30
Or he gets paid (by the CCP or by Big Pharma) to be here. They like to recruit losers with a lot of time on their hands.They should easily be able to recruit someone better than that clown. It's so obvious that he's weird little loser.

Mursenary
07-15-21, 18:53
Another worthless BS post from you, are you really that lonely?3 responses to me in a row? That's called a Tourette's tic. Or do you just like licking my asshole that much?

Mursenary
07-15-21, 18:59
Another worthless BS post from you, are you really that lonely?I mean. I'm not wrong.

Lanthano
07-15-21, 19:17
Well what a messy comment section. Rants indeed.

Am I to expect dozens of guests shouting at each other and throwing drinks near the bar at Sharks when you guys start returning?

Mursenary
07-15-21, 19:29
Well what a messy comment section. Rants indeed.

Am I to expect dozens of guests shouting at each other and throwing drinks near the bar at Sharks when you guys start returning?I expect them to actually be quite meek people in person, cowering at the sight of any actual in-person confrontation. I've seen 'S' a few times. In person, he gives off the energy of a wet, shivering chihuahua.

BigBuddy69
07-15-21, 21:21
Could you please show some respect to the chihuahuas? They're very decent living beings.

And is it possible that the Swedish troll writes all his insults in a single post? Because he's in my ignore list and I see 4 times the same sentence: 'this user is in your ignore list', 4 times in 7 minutes.

HammerTime96
07-15-21, 21:24
"Forget about seeing the inside of an FKK in 2021" -HammerTime69, January 2021.So what? The essence is still true. You see the inside of an FKK club in July 2021 and what do you see? A shitty line up and hordes of tripods!

Herzlichen Glueckwunsch! / sarc.

P.S. 9 replies in less than 5 hours on one topic? You must be one very bored and one very lonely CCP troll.

NiteRiderCal
07-15-21, 22:11
Murse claim that ivermectin is unsafe, posted a link, but refuse to read what is on that link.


Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kg10 time 200 microg / kg is a lot. I would never imaging anyone use that high of an amount.

Murse also posted a paper that claim ivermectin does not work. While he did not read. Or he did read it but don't understand it. The author admitted to having made an error, giving ivermectin to some of the placebo. How can a drug that Murse claim to kill people have the same side effect as the placebo. Clearly, the the author also make more error. He did understand that the aurthor was borderline data-mining. With data mining, I can prove shit cure cancer is a sub-population.

Mean while he pointed to a lab study as proof doses ivermectin needed to work. Data in the lab does not translate to human for a million of unknown reason, absorption, tissue distribution, on and on. In human, there is an immune system, inhibitory peptide, interferon and on, and on. All of these could work synergistically with ivermectin to treat covid. Who know.

What really matter, is that 48 small trials showing that ivermectin do work. While each one by itself does not mean much. In totality, with a meta analysis, the FLCCC shown that there is very strong evident that it do work.

NiteRiderCal
07-15-21, 22:26
Mean while Chris Matterson show early evident that the vaccine work differently in people under 50 and over 50. It is still early and remain to be proven.

If you are over 50 and taken the vaccine, you are more likely to deteriorate or die from Delta variant than un-vaccinated.

If you are under 50, it is the opposite of the statement above.

Clearly, we don't know much about this vaccine, it long term safety, and the ramification of immune escape. This is a grand experiment. I'm very pro-vaccine and I think it does great thing for human health. I'm just against these fail gene therapy vaccine. Some worry that we will prove the anti-vaxxer right, that covid vaccine is a terrible mistake, while we have an effective treat for covid. As some have pointed out, it would turn the whole public against all vaccine.

ShooBree
07-15-21, 22:27
I expect them to actually be quite meek people in person, cowering at the sight of any actual in-person confrontation. I've seen 'S' a few times. In person, he gives off the energy of a wet, shivering chihuahua.You've never even left your mother's basement.

ShooBree
07-15-21, 22:32
3 responses to me in a row? That's called a Tourette's tic. Or do you just like licking my asshole that much?LMFAO, a minute ago he was crying about "ad hominem", calling other posters "young and angry" and know he's talking about people "licking his asshole".

What kind of weirdo does that? He's obviously schizophrenic.

You're the biggest loser I've ever had the displeasure to come across. Making hundreds of posts on here week after week won't change that. You're a weird little loser and you will always be a weird little loser.

ShooBree
07-15-21, 22:35
I mean. I'm not wrong.I wouldn't want to be you, that's for sure.

DrPoon
07-15-21, 22:39
Mean while Chris Matterson show early evident that the vaccine work differently in people under 50 and over 50. It is still early and remain to be proven.

If you are over 50 and taken the vaccine, you are more likely to deteriorate or die from Delta variant than un-vaccinated.

If you are under 50, it is the opposite of the statement above.

Clearly, we don't know much about this vaccine, it long term safety, and the ramification of immune escape. This is a grand experiment. I'm very pro-vaccine and I think it does great thing for human health. I'm just against these fail gene therapy vaccine. Some worry that we will prove the anti-vaxxer right, that covid vaccine is a terrible mistake, while we have an effective treat for covid. As some have pointed out, it would turn the whole public against all vaccine.Good info. Also if one doesn't smoke and doesn't have excessive weight or diabetes or heart disease, these are also factors.

The government legalizes marijuana in many US states during a respiratory pandemic. There is nothing done to stop smoking in apartments which have shared ventilation. Once the government gets serious then get back to them on taking their experimental vaccine.

If they can just come out with a normal vaccine.

BigBuddy69
07-15-21, 22:50
Your FLCC website is obviously a pro ivermectin website (with a little hint of conspiracy theories), maybe funded by ivermectin producers. It's like using the website of the good Doctor Raoult to support the fact that hydroxychloroquin really works, or quoting Russia Today to prove that the good old Vladimir is a freedom loving president. That's propaganda.

PaulInZurich
07-15-21, 23:54
Mursenary, BigBuddy69, PaulInZurich have plunged the P6 world into fear about nothing.Next step is world domination!

Mursenary
07-16-21, 00:32
Murse claim that ivermectin is unsafe, posted a link, but refuse to read what is on that link.

10 time 200 microg / kg is a lot. I would never imaging anyone use that high of an amount.

Murse also posted a paper that claim ivermectin does not work. While he did not read. Or he did read it but don't understand it. The author admitted to having made an error, giving ivermectin to some of the placebo. How can a drug that Murse claim to kill people have the same side effect as the placebo. Clearly, the the author also make more error. He did understand that the aurthor was borderline data-mining. With data mining, I can prove shit cure cancer is a sub-population.

Mean while he pointed to a lab study as proof doses ivermectin needed to work. Data in the lab does not translate to human for a million of unknown reason, absorption, tissue distribution, on and on. In human, there is an immune system, inhibitory peptide, interferon and on, and on. All of these could work synergistically with ivermectin to treat covid. Who know..I see you ignored your own misreading in asserting that anyone recommended 10 x dosing when they explicitly said 10 x dosing was not enough.

No need to make up scenarios. If your argument held merit, honesty would have been enough.

My point was that ivermectin in dosages required to be effective against covid was unsafe. Low dosages for anti-helminth use is fine.

Obviously I read my own paper since I pointed out that you falsely claimed that they suggested that a 10 x dose was safe when they just said that a 10 x dose would be ineffective. Obviously the no one recommends that high dose, it was a mis reading on your part. Or perhaps an intentional mistelling. Both are equally possible.

So again from JAMA:


Cumulatively, the findings suggest that ivermectin does not significantly affect the course of early COVID-19, consistent with pharmacokinetic models showing that plasma total and unbound ivermectin levels do not reach the concentration resulting in 50% of viral inhibition even for a dose level 10-times higher than the approved doseThe synergistic bit is a whole lot of bullshit meant to distract the lay man by using science words when the poster says nothing about how that works. That claim for this medicine's mechanism of action doesn't even jive. Ivermectin specifically loses bioavailability on first pass through the liver. That's a pharmacokinetic FACT.

When you say 48 studies, you confound prophylaxis studies with treatment studies. Yet in total, sample size would still be in the low thousands. More data manipulation / misrepresentation.

Your dishonesty on matters of science is should give you pause and shame.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 00:36
If they can just come out with a normal vaccine.Johnson and Johnson. Pretty normal, non-mRNA vaccine.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 00:39
So what? The essence is still true. You see the inside of an FKK club in July 2021 and what do you see? A shitty line up and hordes of tripods!

Herzlichen Glueckwunsch! / sarc.

P.S. 9 replies in less than 5 hours on one topic? You must be one very bored and one very lonely CCP troll.Nope and life. You get stuck with me.

No essence. Clubs open. Hookers in them. Many mongers have been enjoying them.

Sore loser. No honor. Just a big whiney mouth rooting for clubs to fail.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 00:41
LMFAO, a minute ago he was crying about "ad hominem", calling other posters "young and angry" and know he's talking about people "licking his asshole".

What kind of weirdo does that? He's obviously schizophrenic.

You're the biggest loser I've ever had the displeasure to come across. Making hundreds of posts on here week after week won't change that. You're a weird little loser and you will always be a weird little loser.3 more in row? Get over me dude. Leave my asshole alone, I'm not into you. I'll fart on you next time.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 00:45
Your FLCC website is obviously a pro ivermectin website (with a little hint of conspiracy theories), maybe funded by ivermectin producers. It's like using the website of the good Doctor Raoult to support the fact that hydroxychloroquin really works, or quoting Russia Today to prove that the good old Vladimir is a freedom loving president. That's propaganda.He ignores the points that directly contradict him. Typical bullshitter.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 00:47
Could you please show some respect to the chihuahuas? They're very decent living beings.

And is it possible that the Swedish troll writes all his insults in a single post? Because he's in my ignore list and I see 4 times the same sentence: 'this user is in your ignore list', 4 times in 7 minutes.True. Girls use chihuahuas as therapy dogs sitting on their lap. Wait, that's like "s" following girls around stalking them in the club. So still very similar.

NiteRiderCal
07-16-21, 02:48
Murse, are you smoking. I want some of whatever you are having. It got to be really good.


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12362927/
Ivermectin was generally well tolerated, with no indication of associated CNS toxicity for doses up to 10 times the highest FDA-approved dose of 200 microg/kgYou posted that link. You did. The above quote does NOT support your claim that ivermectin kill people.

The author of the JAMA paper admitted to an error of giving Ivermectin to the placebo. They rightful accounted for that. It is not misdirection to point out that the side effect is the same for both ivermectin and placebo. Clearly there is more error here. The author changes the primary end point in the middle of the trial. That is data miming when you don't like the result. The whole paper is questionable. Why should I believe them when they claim that 10 x higher dose is needed. That crazy idea originated from a cell culture lab bench study.

Scientist don't just read a paper and accept the conclusion. NO, no, no. They look to see if it was done correctly according to the scientific process.

Again, the FLCCC is not recommending this crazy high dose to anyone. From the FLCCC website.

14 invermectin prohylaxis trial.

26 invermectin early treatment trial.

22 invermectin late treatment trials.

With a total of 22,000 patients.


When you say 48 studies, you confound prophylaxis studies with treatment studies. Yet in total, sample size would still be in the low thousands. More data manipulation / misrepresentation.No, I'm not misrepresent and I'm not confounding anything. You found only one erroneous, poorly designed study, done on a healthy population, where covid is just a common cold in this population. Am I suppose to just read and believe everything from a paper without any critical analysis? Am I not suppose to ask if it was done according to the scientific process? Am I just going to threw all of my training in the trash? Just because some dude name Murse on a hooker website think he is a scientist.

ExpatLover
07-16-21, 04:21
Mean while Chris Matterson show early evident that the vaccine work differently in people under 50 and over 50. It is still early and remain to be proven.

If you are over 50 and taken the vaccine, you are more likely to deteriorate or die from Delta variant than un-vaccinated.

If you are under 50, it is the opposite of the statement above.

Clearly, we don't know much about this vaccine, it long term safety, and the ramification of immune escape. This is a grand experiment. I'm very pro-vaccine and I think it does great thing for human health. I'm just against these fail gene therapy vaccine. Some worry that we will prove the anti-vaxxer right, that covid vaccine is a terrible mistake, while we have an effective treat for covid. As some have pointed out, it would turn the whole public against all vaccine.I am a pro vaccine, got so many shots since I am child. I got the Pfister but I don t think it is efficient, I just do it because the life is so much easier in Europe when you are vaccinated and with the Delta variant the things are getting worse. Probably the 4th wave is on it way and new restrictions will be implement sooner or latter.

ShooBree
07-16-21, 08:33
3 more in row? Get over me dude. Leave my asshole alone, I'm not into you. I'll fart on you next time.LMFAO, now you got 6 posts in a row! Stop spamming the forum with childish personal attacks and I might take it easy on you.

I understand that you might consider yourself to be funny, but you're not, just weird and childish with some serious mental problems. That's probably why you don't have any friends and still live in your mother's basement. Stop being such an angry, hypocritical, pathetic, weird loser.

PaulInZurich
07-16-21, 08:38
At the moment, Pfizer-Moderna-AZ in the UK is collectively 92% effective against Delta after 2 doses. And that's without the benefit of some herd immunity seen in the other pathogens.

Quite parallel numbers, better in some cases. Anyone see any super polio, super measles, super chicken pox outbreaks? Those darn scientists.This is too complicated for morons to understand.

Sirioja
07-16-21, 10:08
You seem to be too much a bullshitter to put up your money to complete the wager.You don t have enough money to go to FKK? Aren t You specialist to get AO for free with crazy? To beg, when I don t need to be paid, I climb just for passion and adrenaline, Italians telling me I m really crazy to drive for nearly 5 hours through Dolomiti passo for only 10,5 kms of hell in Zoncolan, as say professionals and Gentile on other side of valley seem worst, go to see when You won t have enough money at Wellcum, around 1 hour driving. Let s see on the field on 2 October in Sambrancher. Ch. Just don t make me waste my time, when Verbier is not on my tour schedule, driving and spending time and money and taking risk in dangerous Switzerland only for You. I just wish for no rain.

HammerTime96
07-16-21, 10:34
Just a big whiney mouth rooting for clubs to fail.Rooting for clubs to fail? Who's driving clubs into bankruptcy?

The crybabies who want the entire world locked down because of a flu (you, PaulInZurich, BigBuddy69) or me who has been pleading since 1 year for a Swedish modelled approach: protect the vulnerable (and let them be vaccinated if they want to) but allow healthy people to live a normal life and build up herd immunity?

More lies and gaslighting from the CCP troll who is losing face because the Marxist vaccine-lockdown strategy has clearly failed. Look at politically correct Australia: another complete lockdown because of a handful of "cases. " Expect the same in Marxist Europe once autumn starts.

HammerTime96
07-16-21, 10:37
No essence. Clubs open. Hookers in them. Many mongers have been enjoying them.More CCP lies and gaslighting.

From the Sharks thread:


I was there three times within a week. Absolutely overrated and also overpriced (with respect what some girls ask for and "deliver" on the Otter side. I have not much idea about situation in other clubs after Corona, but Sharks disappointed me very much. Also I could find only 1-3 stunners during 15 Hours of stay. Hey, It is Sharks.

Not worth to visit at the moment.

I hope things are getting better soon.

BigBuddy69
07-16-21, 10:55
True. Girls use chihuahuas as therapy dogs sitting on their lap. Wait, that's like "s" following girls around stalking them in the club. So still very similar.There is a big difference. The girls enjoy the presence of the chihuahua.

ShooBree
07-16-21, 14:04
P.S. 9 replies in less than 5 hours on one topic? You must be one very bored and one very lonely CCP troll.So true, but he will never have the balls to admit it.

Gino02
07-16-21, 15:25
So. I'm vaccinated without any side effects, but this meme kinda got me thinking.

If you have a bad or even fatal side effect.

The manufacturer is not responsible.

The vaccine promoting government is not responsible.

The vaccinating doctor or nurse is not responsible.

But if you chose not be vaccinated.

You are responsible?

Let that sink in. Is that even logical or legal?

Mursenary
07-16-21, 17:20
LMFAO, now you got 6 posts in a row! Stop spamming the forum with childish personal attacks and I might take it easy on you.

I understand that you might consider yourself to be funny, but you're not, just weird and childish with some serious mental problems. That's probably why you don't have any friends and still live in your mother's basement. Stop being such an angry, hypocritical, pathetic, weird loser.Oh, people can post all they want. Multiple threads of conversation is not exactly difficult.

It's the multiple posts to the same person in a row that's obsessively embarrassing. I get it though. Autism spectrum leaves one unaware of social nuances.

B_T_Dubs, your insults are pretty cliché, perhaps try to exercise the creative part of the brain a little? Good for people with Asperger's.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 17:22
You don t have enough money to go to FKK? Aren t You specialist to get AO for free with crazy? To beg, when I don t need to be paid, I climb just for passion and adrenaline, Italians telling me I m really crazy to drive for nearly 5 hours through Dolomiti passo for only 10,5 kms of hell in Zoncolan, as say professionals and Gentile on other side of valley seem worst, go to see when You won t have enough money at Wellcum, around 1 hour driving. Let s see on the field on 2 October in Sambrancher. Ch. Just don t make me waste my time, when Verbier is not on my tour schedule, driving and spending time and money and taking risk in dangerous Switzerland only for You. I just wish for no rain.Nah, I'm poor.

Anyway, it's about having the balls to put something of value on the line to back up your words. Apparently you don't have those balls. It's all good, I got my confirmation. You are in fact full of shit.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 17:29
Rooting for clubs to fail? Who's driving clubs into bankruptcy?

The crybabies who want the entire world locked down because of a flu (you, PaulInZurich, BigBuddy69) or me who has been pleading since 1 year for a Swedish modelled approach: protect the vulnerable (and let them be vaccinated if they want to) but allow healthy people to live a normal life and build up herd immunity?

More lies and gaslighting from the CCP troll who is losing face because the Marxist vaccine-lockdown strategy has clearly failed. Look at politically correct Australia: another complete lockdown because of a handful of "cases. " Expect the same in Marxist Europe once autumn starts.So funny? You realized that Australia is poorly vaccinated right? More supporting evidence for Team Get Vaxxed.

If we had it your way, we would have lost tens if not hundreds of millions of senior citizens. But of course that doesn't matter to you. You're unable to think of what's good only for you.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 17:30
So true, but he will never have the balls to admit it.I am quite bored. Bam!

Mursenary
07-16-21, 17:31
There is a big difference. The girls enjoy the presence of the chihuahua.Touche. But I hear stories from the girls about how they feel gross when he licks them all over, from head to toe. So creepy. Sends shivers down my spine.

Pistons
07-16-21, 17:52
So funny? You realized that Australia is poorly vaccinated right? More supporting evidence for Team Get Vaxxed.

If we had it your way, we would have lost tens if not hundreds of millions of senior citizens. But of course that doesn't matter to you. You're unable to think of what's good only for you.https://youtu.be/cjMZvpmuaKY

I prefer to listen to real virology experts. And not wannabes on a sex forum!

Basically the vaccines will greatly enhance the mutation process and extend the entire plandemic. But that is all good for the betterment of humanity in relation to the great reset as it enhances the automation trend and increases the wealth per capita going forward while the vaccinated morons die out.

Then again many would be wannabes who claim to be vaxxed aren't vaccinated. They just got a vial full of saltwater instead. So even morons can be lucky.

HammerTime96
07-16-21, 18:42
I am quite bored. Bam!Then obviously the Delta Plus Mutation is no big deal, but we already knew that. LOL!

If you're so bored, why not book a flight to Germany and write some reports of how great FKK clubs are?

BigBuddy69
07-16-21, 18:46
Touche. But I hear stories from the girls about how they feel gross when he licks them all over, from head to toe. So creepy. Sends shivers down my spine.The sole too? And between the toes? And the ass crack?

Pistons
07-16-21, 19:19
Say hello, to 2022. The world without Covid quarantines and where everything is back to normal with the plandemic being a thing of the past:

https://www.api.org/news-policy-and-issues/blog/2021/02/24/is-the-world-about-to-see-an-oil-shortage

"To keep track, the remaining oil demand growth to be supplied from February through December 2021 is 3.4 mb / the, plus another 3.5 mb / the of growth in 2022, per EIA. That's a total of 6.9 mb / the of new demand through 2022, which combined with the replacement of natural production declines would require total new crude oil production of 14.7 mb / the to 20.5 mb / the by the end of 2022, respectively, with and without investments.

The key question is where this new production will come from. The most immediate source would be to bring oil spare production capacity back on stream. In January, EIA estimated that OPEC had 6. 7 mb / the of crude oil spare production capacity, and the Russia and Caspian region's production was 1. 7 mb / the below its highest output of 15.0 mb / the in December 2018. Consequently, OPEC and Russia and Caspian producers might be able to raise their production by 8.4 mb / the only about half of what's needed.

If we accept this amount which might be optimistic because OPEC historically has not produced 100% of its spare capacity that would require the rest of the world to invest, drill and produce 6.3 mb / the to 12.1 mb / the of new oil by 2022."

P.S. it won't be enough! We can maybe add 5 mb / day globally outside of that region. Maximum if all shale nuts in North America gets back on track. Probably less.

In other words, send me your hard earned money for expensive fuel next year! $$.

Those garbage can floating trash bins will need solar panels!

Did I say an oil price of 250 usd two months ago? LOL. Make that 500 usd!

Or of course trash the initial part of this post and consider new rounds of lockdowns and cars stuck in garages worldwide!

Mursenary
07-16-21, 19:50
Murse, are you smoking. I want some of whatever you are having. It got to be really good.

You posted that link. You did. The above quote does NOT support your claim that ivermectin kill people.

The author of the JAMA paper admitted to an error of giving Ivermectin to the placebo. They rightful accounted for that. It is not misdirection to point out that the side effect is the same for both ivermectin and placebo. Clearly there is more error here. The author changes the primary end point in the middle of the trial. That is data miming when you don't like the result. The whole paper is questionable. Why should I believe them when they claim that 10 x higher dose is needed. That crazy idea originated from a cell culture lab bench study.

Scientist don't just read a paper and accept the conclusion. NO, no, no. They look to see if it was done correctly according to the scientific process.

Again, the FLCCC is not recommending this crazy high dose to anyone. From the FLCCC website.

14 invermectin prohylaxis trial.

26 invermectin early treatment trial.

22 invermectin late treatment trials.

With a total of 22,000 patients.

No, I'm not misrepresent and I'm not confounding anything. You found only one erroneous, poorly designed study, done on a healthy population, where covid is just a common cold in this population. Am I suppose to just read and believe everything from a paper without any critical analysis? Am I not suppose to ask if it was done according to the scientific process? Am I just going to threw all of my training in the trash? Just because some dude name Murse on a hooker website think he is a scientist.Okay, we are getting somewhere. My apologies for saying you missed the 2 MG versus 2 microgram point. I understand now that you were citing the safety abstract and not the JAMA paper. You are correct, the paper shows no Central Nervous System toxicity for doses up to 10 x the recommended dose.

Now, to the misrepresentation point. This is how you use misrepresentation.

1. No one claimed that JAMA proposed 10 x dose as you say. They only said that even 10 x dose would be ineffective in pharmacokinetic models. Hence, Misrepresentation.

2. No one claimed that FLCCC recommended that dose either. Hence, misrepresentation.

3. I did not claim that Ivermectin was an unsafe drug. Again, the claim was that doses required to be effective in COVID treatment would be unsafe. I even left the door open for its use as prophylaxis when I mentioned that at the time of vaccine release, there was insignificant studies supporting Ivermectin use even for prophylactic effect.

Now, as for critical appraisal. You want to talk about critical analysis. It doesn't seem that you critically analyze FLCCC supporting evidence to any rigor. Here is their meta-analysis to which I will critique.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Ivermectin-in-the-prophylaxis-and-treatment-of-COVID-19.pdf

1. Main and largest study for treatment was Elgazaar et all, 2020. This is their flagship study of 380 patients, wohoo. But guess what? It compared Ivermectin to Hydroxychloroquine and not a true placebo. By the way, HCQ was shown to have detrimental cardiac effects when treating covid patients. Is that not an extremely poor study design? Of course it is, and you know it, yet you don't criticize.

2. The next cited study with the best Ivermectin supporting numbers, Hashim et al, 2020. Guess what, a whopping 22 patients per group. And guess what, the Ivermectin group admittingly had only 22 severe patients and 0 critical patients while the control had 11 severe plus 11 critical patients. Of course Ivermectin group would show less mortality. Selection bias, the worst form of experimental design manipulation short of straight lying. Poor design, and you know it, yet you don't criticize.

3. The next study Niaee, 2020 looked at 180 patients in 6 groups, 30 each, wohoo such rigor. This study once again used HCQ as a standard across all arms, confounding. And guess what, results showed marginal improvement to the point that the authors said this:


One of the limitations of ivermectin in clinical utility is its potential to cause toxicity. Studies have shown that this defect can be eliminated by changing the formulation and pharmacokinetic properties. Therefore, a systematic design based on concentration of ivermectin is essential. Schmith et al. showed in a study based on the pharmacokinetic simulations that ivermectin may have limited therapeutic utility on control COVID- 19. The reason is that the concentration of inhibitor required to act on the COVID-19 virus is much higher than the maximum plasma concentration by managing the approved dose Their meta-analysis goes on and on to describe more studies oddly almost entirely from the Middle East and Indian subcontinent. More and more confounding variables of poor design and what looks to be selection bias. Some studies showed that no deaths were found in either groups. Healthy population? Other studies use metrics such as Anosmia to evaluate "clinical improvement. " Really? Sense of smell to justify a drug as the standard of care? Other studies had confounding variables such as only using ivemectin as an adjunct medication. Standard of care really?

All in all, it appears that FLCCC went out of their way to find obscure studies using questionable metrics from countries with poor quality of care to justify Ivermectin as a miracle treatment, when at best it's natural antiinflammatory properties may have some benefit in prophylaxis or as an adjunct in low doses. It does inhibit nuclear transport of viral proteins after all. This is likely why it may see some efficacy as a prophylaxis or very early treatment. But is its wide use for the general population practical? Without further evidence, how could one assume this, especially in lieu of other effective vaccines.

Furthermore, and not due to the lack of trying, it has routinely failed to find use against other viruses in the past. No approved uses for Yellow Fever, Dengue, Zika, HIV, etc. Why is that? Hmmm. What makes you expect differently for covid?

In vitro studies over and over again suggests that Ivermectin would need dosages 100 x higher than approved dosages to be effective. In vivo studies shows that it accumulates in tissues and not plasma where it is needed, thus low bioavailability. So we come back around to my original point, your points and background are academic and doesn't consider clinical realities. Your bias is later revealed in your selective "critical analysis," a point that can be easily seen when appraising the FLCCC studies. Obviously you looked at their colorful infographic and did not dive into their studies yourself to genuinely vet their sources.

NIH statement:

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

Check. Your move.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 19:53
Then obviously the Delta Plus Mutation is no big deal, but we already knew that. LOL!

If you're so bored, why not book a flight to Germany and write some reports of how great FKK clubs are?1. I agree, because of vaccines. If we had vaccinated faster, it would have been all over. Thanks for your people for prolonging it.

2. Already done. Reports coming after trip. Let's meet up.

ShooBree
07-16-21, 20:23
Oh, people can post all they want. Multiple threads of conversation is not exactly difficult.

It's the multiple posts to the same person in a row that's obsessively embarrassing. I get it though. Autism spectrum leaves one unaware of social nuances.

B_T_Dubs, your insults are pretty clich, perhaps try to exercise the creative part of the brain a little? Good for people with Asperger's.You are so fucking clueless, are you five years old? That would explain your childish insults about farting on other people. You do realize that normal people are grossed out by your weird insults?

Let me tell you have it is; you are not funny or smart, but you are a liar, weirdo and a giant loser with some serious mental issues.

You can say whatever you want but in the end of the day I feel sorry for you because you are such a loser.

Mursenary
07-16-21, 21:51
You are so fucking clueless, are you five years old? That would explain your childish insults about farting on other people. You do realize that normal people are grossed out by your weird insults?

Let me tell you have it is; you are not funny or smart, but you are a liar, weirdo and a giant loser with some serious mental issues.

You can say whatever you want but in the end of the day I feel sorry for you because you are such a loser.Thank you so much for your sympathy and feeling sorry for me. It's kinda like a homeless guy giving someone a dollar. I almost feel guilty about it.

Keep working on this creativity thing. Elon Musk overcame his disability and look at him now. You can do this!

Pistons
07-16-21, 22:34
So. I'm vaccinated without any side effects, but this meme kinda got me thinking.

If you have a bad or even fatal side effect.

The manufacturer is not responsible.

The vaccine promoting government is not responsible.

The vaccinating doctor or nurse is not responsible.

But if you chose not be vaccinated.

You are responsible?

Let that sink in. Is that even logical or legal?It only means us non vaccinated people are responsible for carrying on the human legacy past that date when the vaccinated die out. Albeit to a large degree due to vaccine induced infertility. As far as carrying on the human legacy, trial me any day!

NiteRiderCal
07-16-21, 23:10
How am I misrepresenting here? You gave the impression that it is unsafe. The fact is, it is as safe as a baby aspirin at the recommended dose.


Yeah, because it kills the human, stopping the vaccine dead in its tracks. Facepalms at Dr WebMD.Murse-07-10-21 16:57.


Who proposed 2 MG / kg to be safe? That's 150 MG for a 75 kg man. You trying to kill people? Geesuz.Murse-07-12-21 16:50.

I already told you. You found one questionable study against ivermectin. I also told you, with all of the small study supporting ivermectin, I can sit here and rip them apart all day long. However, in totality and with meta study done by flcc and other meta study, and with population evident and anecdotal evident, I find it very convincing. Not gold standard, but very strong convincing evident.

No have done a gold standard study for ivermectin, because there is no money with something that is cheap as candy.

NiteRiderCal
07-16-21, 23:32
It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.

NiteRiderCal
07-17-21, 00:11
Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.

ExpatLover
07-17-21, 04:51
Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.For sure on the long run you will have to take the vaccine or your social life will be very limited, all medicine have placebo effects, and side effects including ivermectin.

Mursenary
07-17-21, 05:25
How am I misrepresenting here? You gave the impression that it is unsafe. The fact is, it is as safe as a baby aspirin at the recommended dose.

Murse-07-10-21 16:57.

Murse-07-12-21 16:50.

I already told you. You found one questionable study against ivermectin. I also told you, with all of the small study supporting ivermectin, I can sit here and rip them apart all day long. However, in totality and with meta study done by flcc and other meta study, and with population evident and anecdotal evident, I find it very convincing. Not gold standard, but very strong convincing evident.

No have done a gold standard study for ivermectin, because there is no money with something that is cheap as candy.That was hyperbole for dramatic effect. Obviously, Ivermectin has historical use at established doses.

Plenty of avenues to scrutinize Ivermectin, yet you did not afford those studies the same scrutiny.

Less clinical information on Ivermectin against covid than vaccines but not the same scrutiny is applied here either.

The term gene therapy was applied to mRNA vaccine. Quite a misleading statement at best, intentionally fraudulent at worst. A sin against anyone in the field of any life science. Abuse of power / knowledge seems apparent.

There is no way that you read the studies mentioned in FLACC publication and walked away satisfied if you actually scrutinized the design qualities. Flaws mentioned in previous post. I suspect that you either only read the infographic or at best, the meta-study, but never looked at the designs of studies that were cited as supporting evidence.

Again, skewed selection bias (0 critical patients), compromised controls, confounding variables (concurrent meds), overstating the clinical improvements (anosmia), yada yada yada.


It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.Maybe I'm wrong but I understand that it is not a 50-50 distribution in clinically symptomatic patients. I have seen no evidence supporting this claim of higher mortality in the over 50 and vaxxed demographic.

I do know this, American Delta hotspots are also amongst the least vaccinated US states. Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, and Missouri are amongst the 10 least vaxxed states and represents the current top 5-8 highest incidence spots. Delta accounts for over 50% of our cases here also.


Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.Evolutionary pressure to escape host defenses is not exclusive to pathogens evolving to escape host adaptive immunity. It is equally affected by other components of host defenses, such as nuclear transport seen in Ivermectin. Focusing on a vaccines effect on host evasion but not ivermectin shows more bias.

Take the ivermectin all you want. Criticizing the vaccine but not your personal regimen to reassure your choice at the expense of absolute truth telling is pretty professionally irresponsible.

HammerTime96
07-17-21, 07:23
1. I agree, because of vaccines. If we had vaccinated faster, it would have been all over. Thanks for your people for prolonging it.

2. Already done. Reports coming after trip. Let's meet up.1) The vaccine roll-out has been incredibly slow due to HUGE government incompetence, or have you already forgotten the debacle of the German government ordering too few vaccines back in January-February? Even if you wanted to, people could not get vaccinated in Germany, and vaccination rate only started to pick up pace in April, when the Delta Plus (Indian!) variant already was in full swing in India. In the meantime, confidence in vaccines has been eroded, again not because of the fault of the public, but because of the fault of Big Pharma and their corrupt politicians who kept on pushing the AstraZeneca #ClotShot crap despite all it's problems. Gino02 summarized it perfectly with a meme he posted:


The manufacturer is not responsible.

The vaccine promoting government is not responsible.

The vaccinating doctor or nurse is not responsible.

But if you chose not be vaccinated.

You are irresponsible.The vaccine is never fully tested, it only has an Emergency Use Authorization, and is promoted by corrupt politicians & corrupt journalists. It's not exactly confidence inspiring, and only dumbest and most easily brainwashed idiots take the #ClotShot as it's now becoming known. / sarc.

2) "Let's meet up?" Why? I go to FKK clubs to fuck sexy women and to have a good time, not to meet sad lonely guys who have no friends and who need a P6 forum and FKK clubs for male bonding and validation. By pure coincidence I ran into Siri once in Sharks, that was more than enough, hahaha! I have male friends that I go drink a beer with in a regular bar (provided CCP lockdown fascists like yourself don't close the regular bars too) so I don't need to meet sad CCP internet trolls in between FKK sessions thank-you-very-much.

Pistons, if you read this: your inbox is full.

PaulInZurich
07-17-21, 08:47
Considering that we are in a pandemic, the option is a vaccine with questionable long term safety. Yet to be determine effectiveness against variant and fuck over your innate antibody and contribute to immune escape.

I have not and will not take the vaccine. I have been taking 5000 IU (sometime 10,000 IU) of vitamin D3 per day since March 2020. Since November, I take 3 MG of ivermectin once every 3 days. All of this time, I have been seeing Cali escort lady 3 or 4 time per month, try to live life as if it is 2019. No covid so far. But that is just me. Cheer.I am 50+ and I took the vaccine. Feeling great, spend a lot of time outside swimming, cycling and running. During work hours at home I do some weight training too. My immune system is perfectly fine, not a single sniffle or any other issue. Since the spring I was seeing girls in apartments once per week. Since Globe opened, I must have been with 25 girls, several of them more than once. Funny enough, probably due to in general much better sleep, in a longer day in Globe I have at least one shot more in me compared to the last 3 years. If more restrictions will be introduced later in the year, it will be only because not enough people got vaccinated in time.

But that's just me.

PaulInZurich
07-17-21, 08:52
If you're so bored, why not book a flight to Germany and write some reports of how great FKK clubs are?Why do you care about FKKs? You are now super happy with all the civilians you are pulling since you have now great game, right?

PaulInZurich
07-17-21, 09:01
I am a pro vaccine, got so many shots since I am child. I got the Pfister but I don t think it is efficient, I just do it because the life is so much easier in Europe when you are vaccinated and with the Delta variant the things are getting worse. Probably the 4th wave is on it way and new restrictions will be implement sooner or latter.Serious question, you say life is much easier in Europe when you are vaccinated. Other than getting on flights, where else did you find restrictions?

France shows its own centralist, etatist tendencies here: https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/french-retailers-puzzle-over-how-keep-non-vaccinated-shoppers-stores-2021-07-13/ but that is going to kick in 21 July.

ShooBree
07-17-21, 11:46
Thank you so much for your sympathy and feeling sorry for me. It's kinda like a homeless guy giving someone a dollar. I almost feel guilty about it.

Keep working on this creativity thing. Elon Musk overcame his disability and look at him now. You can do this!You can write what you want, the truth remains the same. I'm not here to be "creative", I'm here to tell the truth and if you think that you're creative you better think again.

Pistons
07-17-21, 14:07
It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.Yeah I saw that video. It leads me to think the vial has zero rna in it. Just 100% toxins and aerogel. Otherwise it doesn't make sense that the over 50 crowd is the one to get worse from the vaccine and not the under 50.

The other idea is of course that the rna in fact does alter the DNA through proton tunneling at a very high extent. And this DNA alteration is too much to handle for the over 50 crowds.

The third option is that in the UK they are giving the second dosage too soon after the first.

But it may be a combination of two of these factors also.

In any case, what is beyond obvious at this point is that we cannot trust official news reports on covid numbers one single bit. 200% lies all of what we get fed from all sources. Though raw data is perhaps the best we have. But that is sometimes hard to come by. And even that can easily be faked.

Turgid
07-17-21, 15:17
It only means us non vaccinated people are responsible for carrying on the human legacy past that date when the vaccinated die out. Albeit to a large degree due to vaccine induced infertility. As far as carrying on the human legacy, trial me any day!It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.

Turgid
07-17-21, 15:20
Johnson and Johnson. Pretty normal, non-mRNA vaccine.I've read that Sinopharm and Sinovac are non-mRNA.

Sirioja
07-17-21, 15:32
Nah, I'm poor.

Anyway, it's about having the balls to put something of value on the line to back up your words. Apparently you don't have those balls. It's all good, I got my confirmation. You are in fact full of shit.I know you won't come. I don't even worry about. Honor, pride and self esteem and image worth much more than 1000 for me. I climb for passion, I don't need to be paid.

Rocky V
07-17-21, 15:36
It is early, but something doesn't add up. In the UK, the number of new case with delta are almost half vac and half un vac. Chris Martenson point out that delta infected people over 50 is more sick and more likely to die if they are vaccinated compare to un vac over 50.

It might be too early and time will tell.It speaks volumes that you rather trust what an economic researcher has to say about vaccines efficacy and Covid in contrast to a medical doctor. Where do you go to have a dental implant? A plumber?

BigBuddy69
07-17-21, 15:39
It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.He found it on Facebook, along with 'global warming is a joke', 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' and 'no one landed on the moon'.

Rocky V
07-17-21, 15:41
I already told you. You found one questionable study against ivermectin. I also told you, with all of the small study supporting ivermectin, I can sit here and rip them apart all day long. However, in totality and with meta study done by flcc and other meta study, and with population evident and anecdotal evident, I find it very convincing. Not gold standard, but very strong convincing evident.

No have done a gold standard study for ivermectin, because there is no money with something that is cheap as candy.What is gold standard for you? You are happy to take something that has not been properly tested ('gold standard') just because it is cheap? Thank God you are not a doctor!

DrPoon
07-17-21, 16:53
I've read that Sinopharm and Sinovac are non-mRNA.These have their own virus in these vaccines and they splice DNA into the recipient.

Plus they cause neurologic disease and heart failure.

HammerTime96
07-17-21, 18:11
I am 50+ and I took the vaccine. Feeling great, spend a lot of time outside swimming, cycling and running. During work hours at home I do some weight training too. My immune system is perfectly fine, not a single sniffle or any other issue. Guess what: most people achieve the same results without a #ClotShot vaccine. No "Covid," no sniffle, feeling great, like the way our body was designed. / sarc.

HammerTime96
07-17-21, 18:14
It speaks volumes that you rather trust what an economic researcher has to say about vaccines efficacy and Covid in contrast to a medical doctor. Where do you go to have a dental implant? A plumber?More fake news & gaslighting from the CCP troll: Chris Martenson has a PhD in pathology from Duke University.

Beijing4987
07-17-21, 19:21
Guess what: most people achieve the same results without a #ClotShot vaccine. No "Covid," no sniffle, feeling great, like the way our body was designed. / sarc.Parents of children in an ICU will not agree with you. As in opera, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" How does the awesome stud feel about miracle drugs like ivermectin? Stock up now. It's a cheap as candy, and has a shelf life of two years.

Beijing4987
07-17-21, 19:33
Martenson is interesting for his economic ideas. Let's keep a eye on him and see how his predictions pan out. I also like those commodities. I bought gold at $250 per ounce, but not much.

Mursenary
07-17-21, 21:26
1) The vaccine roll-out has been incredibly slow due to HUGE government incompetence, or have you already forgotten the debacle of the German government ordering too few vaccines back in January-February? Even if you wanted to, people could not get vaccinated in Germany, and vaccination rate only started to pick up pace in April, when the Delta Plus (Indian!) variant already was in full swing in India. In the meantime, confidence in vaccines has been eroded, again not because of the fault of the public, but because of the fault of Big Pharma and their corrupt politicians who kept on pushing the AstraZeneca #ClotShot crap despite all it's problems. Gino02 summarized it perfectly with a meme he posted:

The vaccine is never fully tested, it only has an Emergency Use Authorization, and is promoted by corrupt politicians & corrupt journalists. It's not exactly confidence inspiring, and only dumbest and most easily brainwashed idiots take the #ClotShot as it's now becoming known. / sarc.

2) "Let's meet up?" Why? I go to FKK clubs to fuck sexy women and to have a good time, not to meet sad lonely guys who have no friends and who need a P6 forum and FKK clubs for male bonding and validation. By pure coincidence I ran into Siri once in Sharks, that was more than enough, hahaha! I have male friends that I go drink a beer with in a regular bar (provided CCP lockdown fascists like yourself don't close the regular bars too) so I don't need to meet sad CCP internet trolls in between FKK sessions thank-you-very-much.

Pistons, if you read this: your inbox is full.1. I agree with government incompetence.

2. it was really for me to laugh at you. Oh well.

Mursenary
07-17-21, 21:28
It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.Sterile. LOL, very punny.

Pistons
07-17-21, 22:01
It would be nice to get from you a scientific analysis of the vaccines of what is in them that can cause infertility. Without such an explanation your statement is sterile.I gave that explanation here months ago. Maybe it's even closing up on a year now.

Pistons
07-17-21, 22:04
I am 50+ and I took the vaccine. Feeling great, spend a lot of time outside swimming, cycling and running. During work hours at home I do some weight training too. My immune system is perfectly fine, not a single sniffle or any other issue. Since the spring I was seeing girls in apartments once per week. Since Globe opened, I must have been with 25 girls, several of them more than once. Funny enough, probably due to in general much better sleep, in a longer day in Globe I have at least one shot more in me compared to the last 3 years. If more restrictions will be introduced later in the year, it will be only because not enough people got vaccinated in time.

But that's just me.You were probably lucky and got one of these randomly selected saline injections. I don't believe anyone without serious side effects got the shot unless I personally can look at their antibodies.

Pistons
07-17-21, 22:09
He found it on Facebook, along with 'global warming is a joke', 'paracetamol comes from tree bark' and 'no one landed on the moon'.Only [Deleted by Admin] need to add in additional lies when trying to mock someone. I never said no one landed on the moon.

Global warming I don't think I mentioned here either. It is not a joke. It is definitely man made also. But maybe not through the means most people are fooled into believing. Although your farts might just be one of the largest contributors.

BigBuddy69
07-17-21, 23:41
You were probably lucky and got one of these randomly selected saline injections. I don't believe anyone without serious side effects got the shot unless I personally can look at their antibodies.I got diarrhea during 3 days. Some black stream of poo flowing constantly from my poop hole. Does it count?

NiteRiderCal
07-18-21, 00:46
Murse,

I'm very pro-vax. You got no idea how pro-vax I am. I think with good leadship, if we use both vaccine and ivermectin, not only will we end the pandemic, we can eradicate covid. I do have several concern about the current vaccine and this is not hyperbole.

1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.

2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.

3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy. And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.

4 Rush, I hear from the grapevine, that the CMC people at these companies are over worked and of low morale. Which lead to quality issues. Some of them said that they just guess and not really doing their job the way they suppose to. It is understandable with a rush timeline.

5. lack of trust, Mr Facci prove himself un-trust worthy. What a joke. But I don't need this pandemic to know that. There is no reason why we don't have a HIV vaccine and it disgust me that we don't. Thank Facci. You son of a *.

6. the politicization. Team vaccine, team anti-vax, team ivermectin, team ivermect is just HCQ. We have the power we are going to gaslight you and censor your ass. WTF.

7. eradication. If we eradicate it, we don't have to worry about immune escape nor ivermectin drug resistance.

This is all I can think of. But I'm semi buzzzzz. Cheer.

HammerTime96
07-18-21, 07:26
One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccine technology, Robert W. Malone MD, is now warning: "this is worrying me quite a bit."

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=20

This is what Dr. Robert Malone is worried about:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415989536933490688.html


Something really odd is going on:

In Europe we are seeing surges at many places where most of the population has already been vaccinated.

At the same time, the 15 least vaccinated countries don‘t seem to face any problem.

At some point, denying this problem will get painful.You see? Not vaccinated? No problem! LOL!

As real scientists like Prof. John Ioannidis have already proven in 2020, this is nothing more than a normal flu with an Infection Mortality Rate of 0,23%, dressed up as a "Plandemic!" Open our entire society (including the FKK clubs) again without ANY test-vaccine-face rag restrictions and organise a Nuremberg Trial 2. 0 for all the politicians and journalists who participated in this Bill Gates scam!

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

Page 7:


The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0.27% (corrected 0.23%).

Mursenary
07-18-21, 08:31
Murse,

I'm very pro-vax. You got no idea how pro-vax I am. I think with good leadship, if we use both vaccine and ivermectin, not only will we end the pandemic, we can eradicate covid. I do have several concern about the current vaccine and this is not hyperbole.

1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.

2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.

3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy.90% Horseshit with vague generalizations which doesn't address previous bullshittery.

PaulInZurich
07-18-21, 08:49
I'm very pro-vax. You got no idea how pro-vax I am. I think with good leadship, if we use both vaccine and ivermectin, not only will we end the pandemic, we can eradicate covid. I do have several concern about the current vaccine and this is not hyperbole.So which ones are safe and effective?

MRNA: Pfizer, Moderna.

Viral vector: AZ, SputnikV, J&J.

Inactivated whole virus: Sinovac, Sinopharm, Covaxin.

Protein based: Novavax.

Mursenary
07-18-21, 09:19
More fake news & gaslighting from the CCP troll: Chris Martenson has a PhD in pathology from Duke University.Yeah, remember when he told everyone that wearing masks was effective? Probably should have listened.

https://youtu.be/NkN8yCWSGus

Mursenary
07-18-21, 09:34
Here's the real world effect of all of the anti-vaxxers and anti-covid vaxxers. They're Messengers of death really.

In June, 99% of American covid deaths were unvaxxed. 97% of hospitalizations were unvaxxed.

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

Rocky V
07-18-21, 10:30
More fake news & gaslighting from the CCP troll: Chris Martenson has a PhD in pathology from Duke University.Why do you always want to ridicule yourself? He's not a practicing pathologist although he studied the matter in 1990's, when scientific knowledge was aeons away from what we have now. Would you go and get treatment from a doctor that he's not been practicing for 30 years or from a medical doctor who's currently practicing medicine and has current medical knowledge?

Rocky V
07-18-21, 10:32
These have their own virus in these vaccines and they splice DNA into the recipient.

Plus they cause neurologic disease and heart failure.A reference to such a bullshit, please?

Mursenary
07-18-21, 11:49
Parents of children in an ICU will not agree with you. As in opera, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings" How does the awesome stud feel about miracle drugs like ivermectin? Stock up now. It's a cheap as candy, and has a shelf life of two years.I think it would be better to keep it grounded. Dying children in ICUs is not a prevalent covid reality. The other side spreads enough misinformation. Playing that game only deteriorates the situation even more.

Pistons
07-18-21, 11:59
I got diarrhea during 3 days. Some black stream of poo flowing constantly from my poop hole. Does it count?Probably not. I bet you were up to something disgustingly else during the same time period too. LOL.

Pistons
07-18-21, 12:08
And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.I agree with a lot of your points, but DNA alteration is not ridiculous. Quantum physics is also not ridiculous. And medical personnel should start learning about sooner or later. It is a joke that they don't!

PaulInZurich
07-18-21, 16:04
Yeah, remember when he told everyone that wearing masks was effective? Probably should have listened.

https://youtu.be/NkN8yCWSGusLOL, he is a face diaper propagandist (is this the right formulation HT?). Bring out the pitchforks!

Turgid
07-18-21, 16:37
I gave that explanation here months ago. Maybe it's even closing up on a year now.Ok, I'll go look for it.

Mursenary
07-18-21, 17:15
Why do you always want to ridicule yourself? He's not a practicing pathologist although he studied the matter in 1990's, when scientific knowledge was aeons away from what we have now. Would you go and get treatment from a doctor that he's not been practicing for 30 years or from a medical doctor who's currently practicing medicine and has current medical knowledge?The guy (Martenson) is definitely an economist first at this point. But I will say, he's pretty fair in most of his assessments. There is no public figure out there that got it completely right this past year but I think that's to be expected. I'll definitely criticize Fauci, CDC, Merkel, WHO, etc for their mishandling. But most of my criticism is because they are generally to broadbrushed or conservative with their recommendations. I guess that's understandable if responsible for billions of people.

As for Martenson, I like that he sees the nuance in situations. He constantly reframed sensational headlines to put them in perspective. But here's the thing, his best comments are not due to any professional training. Zooming out at numbers when media calls a "bump" a "surge" when the "surge" still puts us at 10% of previous highs is an example of something any rational, scientific minded and most importantly objective person could do. Furthermore, he was a research pathologist (a PhD), not a clinician (MD), and not certainly not a public health specialist (MPH). His training is molecular and theoretical, although again, while he shows the intellectual propensity to speak eloquently and rationally, he doesn't have the clinical or public health background to actually serve as the ultimate source of expertise. But all in all, he's pretty rational, makes fair criticisms, is hardly ever hyperbolic, but is also limited in clinical expertise and is not immune to some subjective personal preferences.

I will say this, I agree with him in entertaining alternative treatments like ivermectin in certain scenarios. But he doesn't go all in and try to portray it as something it is not. He seems to have integrity and changes his views based on new data. To put it more eloquently, he does not display ideological rigidity. That shows restraint and objectivity especially when I notice that he regularly reassesses his positions.

HammerTime96
07-18-21, 17:21
You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!

Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?

Mursenary
07-18-21, 17:37
One of the pioneers of mRNA vaccine technology, Robert W. Malone MD, is now warning: "this is worrying me quite a bit."

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=20

This is what Dr. Robert Malone is worried about:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1415989536933490688.html

You see? Not vaccinated? No problem! LOL!

As real scientists like Prof. John Ioannidis have already proven in 2020, this is nothing more than a normal flu with an Infection Mortality Rate of 0,23%, dressed up as a "Plandemic!" Open our entire society (including the FKK clubs) again without ANY test-vaccine-face rag restrictions and organise a Nuremberg Trial 2. 0 for all the politicians and journalists who participated in this Bill Gates scam!

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

Page 7:LOL, you should change the statement to the foolhardy statement "Don't test, No problem".

Funny how low vaxxed states are also low testing states. Take this Malone's guy's article and put it against testing rates and the numbers are flipped. Basic logic and math.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-05-16..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Tests&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ROU~MDA~UKR~NLD~SVN~MLT~SRB~BGR~HRV

Look at excess mortality to get a more accurate picture and low vaxxed states aren't doing so hot. Funny how UK, De, and NL show the lowest excess mortality. UK and De even show negative excess death compared to previous years!

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2021-05-16..latest&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=Excess+mortality&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=GBR~DEU~ROU~MDA~UKR~NLD~SVN~MLT~SRB~BGR~HRV

BigBuddy69
07-18-21, 18:49
Did not read.He overpaid.

DrPoon
07-18-21, 18:55
A reference to such a bullshit, please?This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.

Mursenary
07-18-21, 19:06
Previous calling out of bullshittery aside, some rational points to be addessed.


(Vaccines)
1 The long term safety is unknown. We should use ivermectin to buy us time and do thing right.Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.


2 we stick to proven platform such as recombinant, attenuated, inactivated, those was already proven. There is no guarantee regarding long term safety. But the platform is proven to be safe.Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.

I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.


3 lack of tropism, it is unpredictable where these thing will go. Lack of controllable expression. This is a problem with gene therapy. And No, the vax will not change your DNA. That is ridiculous. But the vax have the same issues.Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.

Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code.

Where they will go? The only place that matters is the cytoplasm that have translation polymerase to make proteins. Free mRNA is so unstable outside of a shell.


4 Rush, I hear from the grapevine, that the CMC people at these companies are over worked and of low morale. Which lead to quality issues. Some of them said that they just guess and not really doing their job the way they suppose to. It is understandable with a rush timeline.It's a pandemic. Recommending ivermectin without "gold standard" clinical trials to recommend dosages that balance efficacy and toxicity is also rushed.


5. lack of trust, Mr Facci prove himself un-trust worthy. What a joke. But I don't need this pandemic to know that. There is no reason why we don't have a HIV vaccine and it disgust me that we don't. Thank Facci. You son of a *.I'm fairly certain that HIV vaccine development is difficult mostly due to the nature of the virus's target (immune cells), latency within the host, high degree of genetic variation / mutation, and something to do with its tendency to bind or alter the Fc arm of an antibody.

Maybe Fauci's position and power in regards to funding has hampered vaccine development in ways that you don't personally like. In the end, the nature of an STD that can be easily controlled with simple behavior modification has less impetus for research. No one feels sorry for sexually promiscuous people contracted STDs from unprotected sex. Or druggies using contaminated needles. Sucks the babies of HIV mothers. Don't think vaccines can do much for that.


6. the politicization. Team vaccine, team anti-vax, team ivermectin, team ivermect is just HCQ. We have the power we are going to gaslight you and censor your ass. WTF.Politicization goes both ways, obviously.


7. eradication. If we eradicate it, we don't have to worry about immune escape nor ivermectin drug resistance.Pipe dream in 2021. Dense population. Politics. Economics. Pandemics and epidemics will be more and more frequent. That has been predicted for decades. Something like 90% of disease causing pathogens developed when humans settled into permanent dwellings and cities thousands of years ago. It will only get worse.

People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. The educated ones who voluntarily choose to misinform and misdirect are the ones more dangerous to society. Ahem. Cough. Stop choosing the side of evil.

Mursenary
07-18-21, 19:09
You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!

Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?1. Well, considering that I've basically posted full manuscripts, that's a bullshit statement.

2. Possibility of mutiny and violence.

NiteRiderCal
07-18-21, 19:47
I agree with a lot of your points, but DNA alteration is not ridiculous. Quantum physics is also not ridiculous. And medical personnel should start learning about sooner or later. It is a joke that they don't!It is totally possible to change your DNA if the RNA / LNP contain code for enzyme to edit dna. In fact, that is the goals of gene editing. But there is no reason to think they put those code in the the vaccine, it is actually harder.

The problem is that there is no telling where these particles go. Which make it hard to target a specific tissue. I remember when I dip my toe in to the world of gene therapy. Some of the lipids are harmless like cholesterol. However, LNP also contains a cocktail of noval lipid dream up by some very ingenuous chemist. When I ask, anyone know what the immune system will do with this, the reply was. Oh it doesn't matter because the patient will be dose with suppressant anyway. Anyway, I'm kind of glad that LNP did not win as a platform. Maybe in 10 or 20 years, LNP is cheaper for gene therapy and can cure many disease.

In addition to antibody against the original Wuhan spike protein, it reasonable to think people are also getting antibody against these lipid particles. I have no clue as to the long term effect of that. And they are going to boost people with these particle again and again due to variant. But it is all a guess, I have no prove.

BigBuddy69
07-18-21, 19:50
You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.

My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.

NiteRiderCal
07-18-21, 20:41
Murse,

Oh I think is totally possible to reduce the R0 below 1. We need to use every tool we got.

Adeno virus is a new platform from failed (the forbidden word gene something.) WTF. I think gene therapy is fucking awesome. It doesn't just treat a disease, one dose and you cure a disease. Who want to take drug for the rest of their life.

Anyway, I'm concern about the platform itself, not any drug or vaccine in particular. Those other platform have work for HVB, Polio etc.

Even if you are 100% right. We are more likely to reduce the R0 below 1, if we add ivermectin to the mix for people who refuse to take any vaccine. It doesn't matter who is right wouldn't you agree that it will help bring the R0 below one. Wouldn't it be better if people have choices.

Look at what happen to Judith Smentkiewicz. She was in the ICU with on 20% chance of survival. She took ivermectin and recover. They move her to a different wing. The doctor in that wing refuse to give her ivermectin and she deteriorate. Her family have to sue, the court order the hospital to continue with ivermectin treatment immediately. WTF, the anti-ivermectin people want to kill this lady just to prove they are right?

Admit it, it is an aspirin at 200 ug to 600 ug / kg.

Pistons
07-18-21, 20:53
Oil is the reason for the new lockdowns. And there is not enough of it!

Plus a few other reasons. The pro basic income sentiment is going up. And the automation potential is being realized when we lock down the society. Basically during the 4th industrial revolution, work is counterproductive to efficiency and competitiveness. Automation and robotization gives far better yields. So UBI is a no brainer. And thus we need more lockdowns before UBI is fully implemented.

The entire covid debacle is just a waste of focus. A mind trick at most.

NiteRiderCal
07-18-21, 20:54
I will say this the long term safety is unknow, however, the Novavax is better than all the other covid vaccine. But I don't see the point unless we are serious about eradicate covid.

Pistons
07-18-21, 21:16
Here you can find some real numbers of long term serious side effects from medications and vaccines. Officially reported in Europe. Studies have also shown that men don't always report as many side effects as women, and that may be why some numbers are skewed. Some doctors are also more inclined to come up with excuses than others too. So the real numbers are most certainly higher:

https://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html

A second reason for why it seems women have more side effects from the covid vaccine might be related to the female reproductive organs. And infertility.

I added together the measles vaccines for 80 years at this rate (the median expected life in Europe), and it seems like the seriously injured people from the measles vaccine in Europe is comparable to the population of Austria.

When you look at the covid vaccine numbers you find approximately similar numbers. Albeit this is still early on in terms of the registration of side effects. Especially for the 2nd dosage victims. And I am sure even more so now that a 3rd dosage seems to be rolling out soon as well.

Good luck and have fun with your vaccines!

Kartoffel
07-18-21, 21:41
He overpaid.Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs!

NiteRiderCal
07-18-21, 21:50
People are more likely to be conspiratorial because your science bureaucrat are dishonest. Yeah it come from nature and not the lab. There is no pandemic. Oh it is a pandemic. Don't wear mask, it does not work. Oh we need to wear mask. Well wear two mask. Sure just take the vax, that is how we get back to normal.

Yeah, I have a hard time believe thing will go back to normal once everyone take the vax. Poor leadership. The only respond is to censor and shut people down.

Mursenary
07-18-21, 22:04
This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.What constitutes a "real" vaccine? First it was attenuated whole vaccines, "real" vaccines I guess. Then inactivated vaccines came about. Are they real vaccines? Then protein subunit vaccines came to be. Are they "real" vaccines? Then viral vector DNA vaccines came about. Is this where vaccines are no longer considered "real" vaccines? Now mRNA vaccines that don't require a viral vector are being used. I guess that's not considered real.

Is it the nucleic acid part that makes them not "real vaccines"? Is it the genetic material that spooks people? What specifically about the mRNA worries people?

MRNA vaccines are literally just small chains of nucleic acids floating in salts enclosed in a lipid shell. In this case, it encodes a very specific, singular protein. Hell a live-virus vaccine has more components such various glycoproteins, globular proteins, DNA or RNA, maybe a lipid envelope too. They even are accompanied by nuclear enzymes with unknown functions. So we're okay with injecting entire microorganisms known to cause disease with some of their natural pathogenic hardware, defense mechanisms, and genetic code that we don't fully understand but not okay okay with a strand of a genetic domain that we hand-selected ourselves that encodes a very specific protein?

DrPoon
07-18-21, 22:14
Angela M. In the news states that climate change is somehow the cause of the floods. This is complete b. S. The neighborhoods located near a river and / or dams should have a storm drainage system with concrete storm drains with high flow water to a drainage system. The fact that these towns exists so long without flooding is a miracle. Nothing to do with climate, and everything to do with not designing properly.

Due to many of the villages springing up hundreds of years ago prior to running water and cars wherein people relied on river for transportation and water. They needed to be close to it. Now, with concrete and paved roads being close to a river is not a smart living area. They need a complete redesign with correct flood control drainage system and should hire me for consultation so I redesign some of these neighborhoods.

Rocky V
07-18-21, 23:20
This is veterinary technology wherein a lot of animal vaccines use the vector virus thing to deliver the virus to the pet patient since instead of making a real vaccine it is cheaper and easier to use a vector virus to traffic to body of the patient to make the antigen to make antibodies for. So this is basically a sham vaccine and used for pets instead of humans. If they make a real vaccine by killing the covid virus and injecting the dead virus then I would recommend to get a real vaccine such as that kind instead.A reference to this other bullshit, please?

Mursenary
07-18-21, 23:41
Only (Deleted by Admin) need to add in additional lies when trying to mock someone.Quite an ironic statement considering the source.

DrPoon
07-19-21, 01:00
How do we know that the various vaccines with never before used technology aren't prions?


Previous calling out of bullshittery aside, some rational points to be addessed.

Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.

Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.

I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.

Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.

Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code..

NiteRiderCal
07-19-21, 01:53
People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. There you go that is the problem. And I'm the bad guy? Thinking you are sooo smart that you want to control and distract people. I want to take the BS out of it and give people option.

It is reasonable to tell people. If you are old, does the long term safety of the vaccine really matter?

For the younger people, well covid is not that bad, it is a just a little worst than the flu. But we do want to not just end the pandemic but eradicate it. Ivermectin is just an aspirin. So do you part in eradicating the virus. You have a choice of taking vax or ivermectin.

If you are sick with covid, take ivermectin because what is the harm if it does not work. But if it do work, the benefit is huge!

What the hell happen to us, we went to the moon and now we don't have the ability to go back. We eradicated smallpox and now eradicating COVID is a pipe dream. It is the mentality of I want to control people. That is the problem. We have to say shit like ivermectin is soooo dangerous and can kill you. You are not allow to have it.

Mursenary
07-19-21, 02:14
How do we know that the various vaccines with never before used technology aren't prions?How do I know that the bartender didn't stick his chlamydia dick in my beer? Those things live on the same spectrum of possibilities.

NiteRiderCal
07-19-21, 02:45
Pandemic, mass deaths, must pivot. Ivermectin has general anti-microbial properties that should be considered but at current studies doses, it is an adjunct in early treatment at best. Simply using masks would be an even better policy but we can't even do that right without having to fight the conspiracy people at every turn.I disagree. Ivermectin is very effective at prevention.


Then stick to the adenovirus vector vaccines. Or the Novavax protein vax.Adenovirus, no. Another fail gene therapy. There is a small chance that adenovirus will integrate and will change your DNA. Novavax is the best. But I think only old people should take it. Younger people, I don't want to risk their future for my benefit.


I find it a little odd that one is scared about a vaccine made of whole virus which has all of the genetic material more than a vaccine of only the genetic material surrounded by a lipid micelle. Like being scared of a holstered gun but not a murderer with a gun holstered to his hip.There is a lot that you don't know. Whole virus, if manufacture right, there is less risk of immune escape. I think the lipid micelle itself can be toxic.


Thank you for saying that it won't change DNA. But again the use of the term "gene therapy" here is intentionally misleading. You are quite aware that gene therapy refers to alteration of host generic material. You know these vaccines don't do that yet you keep using the term to scare people.It is not misleading, we are using failed gene therapy technology. That is a fact. We should stick to proven technology. The new one, make sure that it is safe to the normal process.


Who cares about controlling expression, we want it expressed 100% because that is the point. There are no other proteins encoded in the mRNA besides spike protein code.What? The spike protein itself is toxic.


Where they will go? The only place that matters is the cytoplasm that have translation polymerase to make proteins. Free mRNA is so unstable outside of a shell.Oh I don't know maybe the ovaries.


It's a pandemic. Recommending ivermectin without "gold standard" clinical trials to recommend dosages that balance efficacy and toxicity is also rushed.Yeah but we know that ivermectin is as safe as an aspirin. Look at the risk / benefit.


Politicization goes both ways, obviously.Yeah but team vaccine won. There will be immune escape and we all are fuck. I just care about eradicating covid.


Pipe dream in 2021. Dense population. Politics. Economics. Pandemics and epidemics will be more and more frequent. That has been predicted for decades. Something like 90% of disease causing pathogens developed when humans settled into permanent dwellings and cities thousands of years ago. It will only get worse.

People are pretty dumb and selfish, but I'm not mad at the dummies. They can be controlled and distracted and kept FR causing further harm. The educated ones who voluntarily choose to misinform and misdirect are the ones more dangerous to society. Ahem. Cough. Stop choosing the side of evil.You are sick dude. I don't want to control or distract anyone. BTW, the virus come from a lab.

Mursenary
07-19-21, 03:44
In addition to antibody against the original Wuhan spike protein, it reasonable to think people are also getting antibody against these lipid particles. I have no clue as to the long term effect of that. And they are going to boost people with these particle again and again due to variant. But it is all a guess, I have no prove.Uh, immune response can be illicit by ANY foreign particle. No reason to think any differently.

Your statements about mRNA localization is either out of ignorance or intentionally mentioned but fails to mention that it would take one hell of bad coincidence for a specific mRNA strand to bind to a very specific protein chaperone that escorts it into the nucleus while also having affinity for DNA, while also altering said DNA.

Yes an apocalyptic sized asteroid can escape the asteroid belt, go completely undetected for months, and hit the earth tomorrow and end all life on this planet. That's about the same probability as your concerns regarding intentionally designed mRNA vaccines coincidentally finding the perfect circumstances to enter the nucleus and exert deleterious effects on the genetic code.


Murse,

Oh I think is totally possible to reduce the R0 below 1. We need to use every tool we got.

Adeno virus is a new platform from failed (the forbidden word gene something.) WTF. I think gene therapy is fucking awesome. It doesn't just treat a disease, one dose and you cure a disease. Who want to take drug for the rest of their life.

Anyway, I'm concern about the platform itself, not any drug or vaccine in particular. Those other platform have work for HVB, Polio etc.

Even if you are 100% right. We are more likely to reduce the R0 below 1, if we add ivermectin to the mix for people who refuse to take any vaccine. It doesn't matter who is right wouldn't you agree that it will help bring the R0 below one. Wouldn't it be better if people have choices.Use of the term gene therapy Forbidden? No. Intentionally misused leading to misinformation by someone whose claimed credentials suggests that he should know better? Shows a lack of professional integrity.

Theoretically of course you can eradicate a single disease. Reality, not in this current socio-political environment.

Ivermectin in recommended doses is safe. Sure, give people the choice. Just don't play it off as an alternative for actual widely clinically tested pharmaceuticals for the purpose of COVID19 treatment. It certainly can't take the place of a vaccine that has clearly shown effectiveness in reducing all metrics, most notably hospitalization and death.


Look at what happen to Judith Smentkiewicz. She was in the ICU with on 20% chance of survival. She took ivermectin and recover. They move her to a different wing. The doctor in that wing refuse to give her ivermectin and she deteriorate. Her family have to sue, the court order the hospital to continue with ivermectin treatment immediately. WTF, the anti-ivermectin people want to kill this lady just to prove they are right?.That's a cute anecdote. But what ICU physician tells a family numerical odds of survival? We don't do that in this field because no one can possibly know. Sounds like someone added something to print in the papers. Maybe a nurse gave her this numerical "chance of survival" but providers DON'T DO THAT. That's been engrained since the proliferation of ambulance chaser lawsuits of the 1990's. At best, we'll give a quality of life prognosis.

Who knows the details of the patient, their comorbidities, or course of disease progression, but giving Ivermectin 10 days after intubation, which likely means minimum 2 weeks post inoculation, likely even longer, likely means that it didn't do shit for this woman unless she was chronically immune compromised. It likely put more unnecessary strain on her liver. At this point however, the virus has done it's damage and viral proliferation has passed. At this stage of COVID19 disease progression, she has likely moved on from the acute stages of organ damage due to viral replication and moved into post-infection organ failure. Antimicrobials wouldn't do shit for a patient that late in disease progression because her illness is not exacerbated by the pathogen replication, the mechanism of action for Ivermectin.

But this quote by the family tells me all I need to know about the nature of the story:


Michael Smentkiewicz said he also believes the power of prayer helped his mother.Praise Jesus!


People are more likely to be conspiratorial because your science bureaucrat are dishonest. Yeah it come from nature and not the lab. There is no pandemic. Oh it is a pandemic. Don't wear mask, it does not work. Oh we need to wear mask. Well wear two mask. Sure just take the vax, that is how we get back to normal.I don't care about the politics. Our best people do not go into politics and the highest levels are more prone to corruption. But I have less faith in "research professionals" who directly and knowingly spread misinformation. I leave the door open for government officials knowing information and strategies to which I am not privy. I even excuse them a bit for not knowing the clinical science. But people like you who purposefully misinforms for shits and giggles, I find a bit more morally bankrupt.

Sirioja
07-19-21, 06:10
Did not read.Who care you didn't read, I really don't. Do you think I write to be read? When I know many read all of me. But I visit and was able to adapt to make my day being good among a very average casting. Spending more than 17 hours, having 2 rooms, 2 hours, with same really fresh beauty and also very fresh in bed, for 365, not much I used to spend at LR 4 years ago. Spent 310 on previous week end.

PaulInZurich
07-19-21, 07:01
Impossible to debate with you, you're a right wing fanatic with a strong anti-communism fetish.

My advice, try not to quote Russia Today because it's the nearly official voice of Uncle Vladimir who was a total commie.Well, HT must like what Daddy Vladdy has to say now: https://tass.com/society/1309539.

Daddy Vladdy says that HT is a nihilist: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/covid-19-cases-hit-an-all-time-daily-high-moscow-2021-06-18/.

PaulInZurich
07-19-21, 07:07
You know when you're right over target when Murze, PiZ, 'Locky' V and BB69 come over to spam the whole thread without actually debating any of the issues. LOL!

Anyway, "cases" are going up and the politicians (more power) and Big Pharma (more money) have tasted blood. Why would they NOT do another lockdown?In a way we are lucky that UK will now experiment what happens in a country with 50% vaccination rate that completely opens up and has a high number of new cases. First they experimented what happens if you focus on as many first doses as possible (seemed to work OK until Delta showed up). The rest of Europe gets to watch for about 2 months what will happen. Thank you BoJo.

Prelude141
07-19-21, 07:57
Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs!He is known as a money pig.

Sirioja
07-19-21, 11:28
Sorry but he has no balls, these upselling girls should go work in apartments, not in our clubs!When some go to play grocery in clubs where not pretty girls, I only pay for beauties and they worth more expensive for me than average looks I don t pay for. 365 € to make my pleasure with 2 enjoyable rooms, second was really interesting and stay for 17 hours at Sharks for breakfast, lunch, diner, jacuzzi and hotel, is not so bad deal for me. I m Ok to repeat and enjoy like this.

BigBuddy69
07-19-21, 16:53
How do I know that the bartender didn't stick his chlamydia dick in my beer? Those things live on the same spectrum of possibilities.What kind of bar do you attend?

McAdonis
07-19-21, 17:28
We have at least two weirdos suffering from autism related troubles here.You may be underestimating that number:


Common symptoms of Aspergers:
(1) Problems making or maintaining friendships
(2) Isolation or minimal interaction in social situations
(3) Poor eye contact or the tendency to stare at others
(4) Trouble interpreting gestures
(5) Inability to recognize humor, irony, and sarcasm
(6) Inappropriate behaviors or odd mannerisms
(7) Problems expressing empathy, controlling emotions, or communicating feelings
(8) Lack of common sense
(9) Tendency to engage in one-sided conversations about oneself
(10) Fascination with certain topics
(11) Interpretation of information as literal
(12) The preference for a strict schedule or routine
(13) Repetitive speech

Some people might interpret a childs symptoms as simply rude behavior. For instance, individuals with Aspergers might talk exclusively about themselves. They may not recognize when someone is uncomfortable, disinterested, or offended. Because they dont always recognize social cues, they may speak loudly at inappropriate times, such as during a church service.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/aspergers/what-are-signs-symptoms-disorder/..

Pistons
07-19-21, 17:56
You may be underestimating that number:Well, the problem with these psychology definitions are that they usually are way to broad. Like that long list you just posted here. I ran them through 10 random people I know just now. Including some here on the forum, and each one of them checks out at a minimum 3 of the points you quoted.