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HammerTime96
09-29-20, 09:31
According to French forums, at the Living Room raid on September 17th, the authorities also controlled the male guests. The authorities photographed the identity documents of the male guests, ostensibly, to verify that their contact details matched the registration paperwork they filled out when paying entry at front desk. I assume that any Dutch, Belgian, and French guests from risk areas are probably going to have some explaining to do, if they are caught in a control.Of course, it's all about controlling the sheeple.
Just wait for the "Bill Gates vaccine" to come available, which you then need to "update" every 6 months because it loses effectiveness against Corona viruses, just like the yearly flu shot needs to constantly be adapted to new virus strains.
The only way to make a "vaccine" work is by mass surveillance and tracking apps, spelling the end of FKKs.
It's the big masses that make FKKs financially work and when the big masses stay away, then the handful of die-hard mongers who don't care about privacy and will take any fake "vaccine" with possibly severe side-effects just to keep on fucking hookers, will have nowhere to go anymore.
Be very suspicious of the foolish self-destructing agenda of all those fear mongers and pro-vaxxers here on ISG.
I hope scientists come up with an effective vaccine.
ExpatLover
09-30-20, 06:48
EL: I am old enough to remember the story of vaccine for the HIV, exactly the same as for the covid19, but still no vaccine for HIV.
Of course, it's all about controlling the sheeple.
Just wait for the "Bill Gates vaccine" to come available, which you then need to "update" every 6 months because it loses effectiveness against Corona viruses, just like the yearly flu shot needs to constantly be adapted to new virus strains.
The only way to make a "vaccine" work is by mass surveillance and tracking apps, spelling the end of FKKs.
It's the big masses that make FKKs financially work and when the big masses stay away, then the handful of die-hard mongers who don't care about privacy and will take any fake "vaccine" with possibly severe side-effects just to keep on fucking hookers, will have nowhere to go anymore.
Be very suspicious of the foolish self-destructing agenda of all those fear mongers and pro-vaxxers here on ISG.Isn't your post in and of itself fear mongering. You reference the Bill Gates vaccine and tracking of people. To me, this alludes to the conspiracy theories that Bill Gates, Dr Fauci, etc. Are all linked through business dealings and university, which of course is disproven by facts, including birth years compared to referenced dates of university or becoming millionaire businessmen at age 8. It also alludes to some sort of NANO tracker being in the vaccine. Say there is a NANO tracker. Why not put it into our food supply. Perhaps Col Sanders is in on it, or the Brazilian brothers who control a majority of poultry processing in the western hemisphere plus Europe. Even better, I'm blaming the Belge. I'm sure they are putting NANO trackers into their drinks. That is why they have bought into every drinks market in the world. Don't you know that the real Pinky and The Brain are Belge CEO and CFO of Inbev. Oh my goodness.
EL: I am old enough to remember the story of vaccine for the HIV, exactly the same as for the covid19, but still no vaccine for HIV.I'd imagine that you are also old enough to remember the story of vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, Hepatitis b, etc. What's your point?
HammerTime96
10-01-20, 11:02
Isn't your post in and of itself fear mongering. I prefer to rely on myself and my common senses, but most sheeple here prefer to rely on a big government and big corporations. Ask the Russians (Stalin! Chinese (Mao) and Germans (Hitler and the DDR) how that worked out!
Anyway, you fools are like turkeys voting for Thanksgiving. Sure, get your tracking app, get the "vaccine" and wear your face diaper, "because the government and 'experts' tells you," and then cry in 1-2 years when all FKKs are bankrupt and closed, because the masses that make these big clubs financially viable will stay away.
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. " - Benjamin Franklin.
Smoke Light
10-01-20, 12:30
Since yesterday, the list of risk areas (from a German perspective) is further expanded: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html.
So people from all of Belgium and almost all of France can no longer stay in German clubs anymore.
Strangely RP is slowly opening up for mongers: https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/bordelle-in-rp-oeffnen-wieder-100.html.
But appointment only and max 2 people in any (room (so no open bar or club as it seems).Maxime, good links with useful info. I am deciding to reply here in the Corona thread.
Since summer reopening, I am noticing some world countries with legal P6 are absent from RKI high risk list for corona. Austria, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, many European and Schengen Area countries. I wonder if there is a correlation between societies with legal P6 and low corona levels. Smarter, respectful, educated, more liberal, more freedom loving, caring more for each other communities?
With all the resources in the world today shouldn't there have been found a cure for the influenza virus? Much better than spending trillions of dollars on military equipment.
ExpatLover
10-01-20, 18:18
World without war is impossible, a men full with testosterone and a weapon is usually not very clever, but what to think about mongers fucking prostitutes without condom, about men fucking prostitutes when they have a GF or spouse at home, about men still fucking prostitutes despite covid, about men driving at 250 when they are far from being Schumacher or Loeb. In my long professional career (too long for some), I met so many guys always believing they are stronger, better. Than the others, so many of them are no more on earth, the people who are getting old are the one who live a balanced life and are able to protect themselves when the risks are there.
I hope scientists come up with an effective vaccine.France will start soon to test some vaccines on 25000 people who will be paid, but not Russian nor Chinese vaccines who won't be used in France.
World without war is impossible, a men full with testosterone and a weapon is usually not very clever, but what to think about mongers fucking prostitutes without condom, about men fucking prostitutes when they have a GF or spouse at home, about men still fucking prostitutes despite covid, about men driving at 250 when they are far from being Schumacher or Loeb. In my long professional career (too long for some), I met so many guys always believing they are stronger, better. Than the others, so many of them are no more on earth, the people who are getting old are the one who live a balanced life and are able to protect themselves when the risks are there.Taking quite often real risks, I control and manage not so bad, feed by adrenaline. Way of life. When I go downhill 60/70 km / h on bicycle narrow tires, more sensations than full speed on German autobahn. For most of cars limited to 250 km / h, with manual gear box, stay on fifth, with automatic, put sequential on highest gear minus one and push maximum, then electronic should limit less, many cars able to go much over.
ExpatLover
10-02-20, 07:14
Yes car can speed more than 250 but what about the driver, what about the other users of the roads. People who are not able to control their behaviour should not drive on open road, so many possibilities to race on nurburgring or other places where for me you can even drive 400 if you can and compete with other guys for sure you will not be number 1.
World without war is impossible, a men full with testosterone and a weapon is usually not very clever, but what to think about mongers fucking prostitutes without condom, about men fucking prostitutes when they have a GF or spouse at home, about men still fucking prostitutes despite covid, about men driving at 250 when they are far from being Schumacher or Loeb. In my long professional career (too long for some), I met so many guys always believing they are stronger, better. Than the others, so many of them are no more on earth, the people who are getting old are the one who live a balanced life and are able to protect themselves when the risks are there.Schumacher was good for politics in his team and played dangerous for others on track, refusing to lose versus faster than him. He was very lucky not to have more big crashes than Silverstone with just a broken leg, but he was very unlucky in Meribel where he fell somewhere really not dangerous, having helmet, when I don t put for real free ride through rocks or crevaces, he was not performing when falling, nor when going downhill 70 km / h on bicycle, with wind in face and hair, so good after effort to climb, when no insect kicking my face, very painful when insect crash in my eyes. For sport fair play, even also making politics in his team, but I would be happy, even not my favorite pilot, Hamilton erase Schumacher figures.
Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.
Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.Having travelled extensively in all the continents, based on my personal experiences, I absolutely 1000% agree with you.
BrahmaPoutre
10-02-20, 21:08
Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.Bonobos are ruled by females and they fuck every time in order to maintain "peace and love" for the group. Chimpanze are ruled by males and they fight every time in order to get the females. Only a river separates and isolated Bonobos on one side and Chimpanze on the other side of the river. And they did belong to the same family long years ago!
Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1.
In 2018, men aged 18-24 had much less sex than their counterparts did back in 2000. This seems counter-intuitive because the younger generation has "hookup" apps like Tinder, whereas two decades ago, this app did not exist.
Recent research found that sexual activity among young Americans has been on the decline since at least the dawn of the new millennium, with researchers from Indiana University and Swedens Karolinska Institute finding a significant increase in sexual inactivity between 2000 and 2018. According to the new study, published Friday in the medical journal JAMA Network Open, the percentage of sexually inactive 18- to 24 year-old men increased from 18.9-percent between 2000 and 2002 to 30.9-percent between 2016 and 2018 well before the coronavirus pandemic had a chance to put a damper on our sex lives.
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sex-and-dating/young-people-are-having-less-sex-than-ever
On the flip side, my immediate thoughts went to Warring cultures like the Romans, Persians, and Vikings where sex was rampant. Or Brazil being one of the most violent countries in the world yet attitudes on sex being one of the most liberal in the world.
Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1.
Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1.
In 2018, men aged 18-24 had much less sex than their counterparts did back in 2000. This seems counter-intuitive because the younger generation has "hookup" apps like Tinder, whereas two decades ago, this app did not exist.Other than the fact that this is an article in a publication, it is not very clear to me that it has any more accurate authenticity than if I made up stuff on this site for example. Did they explain their methodology? How wide spread is their sample? Did they do the survey in all the 200 odd countries in the world, whatever that number is? Including Moslem countries, inaccessible African countries, etc? Did they poll men and women both in all the countries? To accurately get info of such detail, they really do need to poll big enough samples in each country, in all the 200 countries. And good luck making women confess (or even men for that matter) how many times they have sex in most countries, barring a few countries in the west. In fact, if some random dude called me at work and asked me these questions, I will hang up. So, the sample might be people volunteering to give such info, which skews the sample to people who want to brag about it.
I personally don't believe most of those numbers. The average person is not having sex 80 or 90 times a year if you take all the people of population, from young to middle age to old, from married to unmarried to shy to no GF / BF for long stretches, unattractive people, people averse to sex, shy people, homeless people, drug addicts, frigid women, so on so forth. Even well off middle aged couples in marriage who work 40 hrs a week with children have so little energy during a week to have sex. May be once or twice is a great week. And when they have no steady relationship, there is no sex for many months at a stretch.
Frankly that whole article is BS in my view.
Here are the ten countries having the least sex. Not a single one would be characterized as warlike. Not a single one would be characterized as a religious country. So their lack of sex is not attributed to religion, but perhaps being older, having more stressful work lives, or being less socially connected societies: https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-least-sexually-active-countries-in-the-world-530019/?singlepage=1.
In 2018, men aged 18-24 had much less sex than their counterparts did back in 2000. This seems counter-intuitive because the younger generation has "hookup" apps like Tinder, whereas two decades ago, this app did not exist.The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.
Did they do the survey in all the 200 odd countries in the world, whatever that number is? Including Moslem countries, inaccessible African countries, etc? Did they poll men and women both in all the countries? To accurately get info of such detail, they really do need to poll big enough samples in each country, in all the 200 countries. And good luck making women confess (or even men for that matter) how many times they have sex in most countries, barring a few countries in the west. In fact, if some random dude called me at work and asked me these questions, I will hang up. So, the sample might be people volunteering to give such info, which skews the sample to people who want to brag about it.
I personally don't believe most of those numbers. The average person is not having sex 80 or 90 times a year if you take all the people of population, from young to middle age to old, from married to unmarried to shy to no GF / BF for long stretches, unattractive people, people averse to sex, shy people, homeless people, drug addicts, frigid women, so on so forth. Even well off middle aged couples in marriage who work 40 hrs a week with children have so little energy during a week to have sex. May be once or twice is a great week. And when they have no steady relationship, there is no sex for many months at a stretch.
Frankly that whole article is BS in my view.The 80-120 times per year range amongst developed nations is a number that I've seen quoted quite often; but like you, I have always been skeptical. It does seem like a lot as a median average but perhaps more believable as a mean average. When I was 18, I had a live-in girlfriend and we definitely had sex 300+ days in that year with many two or three a-days that brought the number to well over 365 in one year. At 25, my fiancι and I were at 3-4 times per week, again with multiple 2 and 3-a-days. If the average couple has sex once per week (about 50-60 per year,) perhaps the average numbers of 18-30 year old childless couples having sex 4-5 times per week bring up the mean to 2-3 times per week? That would make the 80-90 times per year average a little more believable.
Also, remember you are looking from your point of view, some one who appears to be educated and might have spent a large part of your youth getting your education and career building. That population generally spends more time in a stressed state and makes less time for sex. Carefree young couples generally spend more time in the sack than the high achieving, career-driven pair.
But you are right, polling for questions like these has to be taken with a great degree of doubt. It reminds me of polling for penis size. I imagine guys inflate their numbers. And as far as I can tell, women are terrible at gauging measurement of penis size. From their point of view (hopefully waist height) and to great benefit to our ego's, I think it looks bigger to them than it really is. A girl once quoted 18 cm for me and I had to grab her 20 cm heels for comparison to show her that I fell several cm short of that mark, hah!
Bonobos are ruled by females and they fuck every time in order to maintain "peace and love" for the group. Chimpanze are ruled by males and they fight every time in order to get the females. Only a river separates and isolated Bonobos on one side and Chimpanze on the other side of the river. And they did belong to the same family long years ago!Very interesting, like sending a ball to a little girl or a little boy, with usually very different reaction.
The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.I can agree with that: sexual release whether it be with a woman or streaming porn contributes to peace. However, I believe your original post mentioned something about a man and woman. In addition to porn consumption, two common predictors for being a peaceful nation might be (1) older age population and (2) wealth and probably GINI (too lazy to look up).
Cross-referencing "most religious nations" against Global Peace Index: The most "warlike" as measured by GPI would be Afghanistan. Not surprisingly, Afghanistan's population has a median age of 19 and is near the bottom in terms of GDP (PPP) per capita. Citizens of UAE and Qatar consider themselves religious (91 and 95 percent respectively). However, both rank relatively high on Global Peace Index. I think we can attribute this to their high GDP (PPP) per capita: Qatar's is highest in the world. UAE is 7th highest.
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Importance_of_religion_by_country
http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/06/GPI-2019-web003.pdf
On the flip side, my immediate thoughts went to Warring cultures like the Romans, Persians, and Vikings where sex was rampant. Or Brazil being one of the most violent countries in the world yet attitudes on sex being one of the most liberal in the world.Good point. I would add Colombia to this list. Prostitution is legal in both Brazil and Colombia, yet both are top twenty when it comes to murder rate: https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5/rankings.
The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.Ah, so "having sex" included masturbation in that article from McAdonis? Got it.
The ten countries that are having the least sex are the ten countries that are watching the most porn. That plus the absence of religion have contributed to their most peaceful outlook. Therefore pornhub is doing its part to contribute to world peace.While those countries are indeed rather secular, the top 8 seem to also be very socially stuffy. Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan are easily the most socially rigid and judgmental Asian societies. The Nordic countries and and the Swiss seem to be the most socially rigid of the Europeans. It seems to me that the top countries are all socially repressed, supporting the fact religion is hardly the only oppressive institution.
I don't know what the reason for sexual repression levels are in certain countries, but I have a strong feeling that these things could change with the right social programming through media channels and schooling system.
Actually it seems my country has some PR companies working on improving these things. And I bet more countries might be looking at the same thing.
I also lived in one of the Asian countries, and discussed the topic with a lot of people there. Male and female. And I got a sense that the reasons were a bit different in Asia. At least seemingly it seemed to be highly work related to long working days. But one may also argue that is part of the reason also in some European countries.
If people are more at home, they will generally fuck more.
Interestingly the legalization of P6 has been voiced as a a positive in regards to reducing sex repression. I haven't read studies regarding this, but the idea is floating around. So there is something moving in regards to our hobby.
We just have to tackle the feminists main argument first: abusive pimps. And this can be hard to track. But this is also why I am a supporter of blockchain money. It would be over and out for pimps. And also for the feminists main argument. Thus opening up for p6 in a lot more countries.
And Amnesty International is an avid supporter of p6 too as it even can empower poor women.
The 80-120 times per year range amongst developed nations is a number that I've seen quoted quite often; but like you, I have always been skeptical. It does seem like a lot as a median average but perhaps more believable as a mean average. When I was 18, I had a live-in girlfriend and we definitely had sex 300+ days in that year with many two or three a-days that brought the number to well over 365 in one year. At 25, my fianc and I were at 3-4 times per week, again with multiple 2 and 3-a-days. If the average couple has sex once per week (about 50-60 per year,) perhaps the average numbers of 18-30 year old childless couples having sex 4-5 times per week bring up the mean to 2-3 times per week? That would make the 80-90 times per year average a little more believable.
Also, remember you are looking from your point of view, some one who appears to be educated and might have spent a large part of your youth getting your education and career building. That population generally spends more time in a stressed state and makes less time for sex. Carefree young couples generally spend more time in the sack than the high achieving, career-driven pair.
But you are right, polling for questions like these has to be taken with a great degree of doubt. It reminds me of polling for penis size. I imagine guys inflate their numbers. And as far as I can tell, women are terrible at gauging measurement of penis size. From their point of view (hopefully waist height) and to great benefit to our ego's, I think it looks bigger to them than it really is. A girl once quoted 18 cm for me and I had to grab her 20 cm heels for comparison to show her that I fell several cm short of that mark, hah!My first objection wit that article is that it claims to be ranking nations across the world re: sexual activity. To rank 200 countries, one would need to have data about all 200 nations; also, the data is to be collected consistently, using comparable methods / comparable ways of sampling / standard error etc. What is the chance that this article's authors and their data was truly worldwide in that sense? Is it even possible to collect such data in a huge number of countries where these questions are taboo?
At best, these types of ranks can be done for a few western countries. I regard these articles as being more for fun. I of course enjoy reading them. But they should never be treated as any sort of definitive reference points on sexual activity.
Secondly, look at a few other links. These are from quick Google searches, I am not vouching for any of their authenticity.
https://www.healthline.com/health/baby/how-often-do-normal-couples-have-sex#The-Average.
The link above says "According to David Schnarch, PhD, through a study conducted with more than 20,000 couples, he found that only 26% of couples are hitting the once-a-week mark, with the majority of the respondents reporting sex only once or twice a month, or less!
Mind you, these are couples. It may be even less (or more; I don't know) for singles. For example, a single person w / o a partner may not have sex for several months or even years. I would not be shocked if many middle aged or older single women are totally inactive sexually. Some single men may be playing the field or seeing pros, but many single men may also be quite inactive. I had roommates in college and grad school who were quite shy and had almost no sex for many months or years. None. I know these people exist, and these were actually educated guys who were pleasant and nice, just shy or had no game.
To be measuring this across the population, it has to be a true sample: 18 years to 85 years, across all types of health conditions, ethnicity, income levels, etc. (healthy young people to older, obese, handicapped, ailing, homeless to what not). Limiting such a study to just couples in the 30-55 age bracket for example gives bogus interpretation.
https://flowingdata.com/2017/07/03/married-people-sex/
This above link says 25% of all adults have sex 2 or more times a week. So, 75% are at less than twice a week. 18% did not have sex even once in prior 12 months, 10% had sex just once or twice in the past 12 M, 13% had sex once per month. That is, 41% of all adults had sex in the range of 0 to 12 times a year.
If you look at the age groups, 64% of the 55 and older are in that 0 to 12 times a year range. If you look at the same stats by marital status, 48% of separated people, 50% of divorced people, 86% of widowed people have sex anywhere from 0 to 12 times a year. The most sexually active people are the married people and never married people. The last chart in the article shows sexually activity is higher if a person is married vs never married in each age group.
It is obvious from those numbers in the above link that sexual activity decreases with age. So, as western societies age, it would make sense that people are sexually less active than they were 40 or 50 years ago.
I think the data for this link above is US survey; I have no idea if this applies to other countries.
When I google for sexual activity in third world countries, the amount of data that can be pulled up is scant. Which was my original point.
Here is one link:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1442-2042.2009.02283.x
"Global Better Sex Survey sexual aspirations and unmet needs of men and women from Hong Kong, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan, and Thailand.
Methods:8195; To qualify, respondents must have had sexual intercourse at least once in the past 12 months. Women must have had heterosexual intercourse. Data were weighted by population size between countries.
Results:8195; Of 3538 Asian respondents (1776 men and 1762 women), 52% were aged <40 years, 40% were aged 4059 years, and 8% were aged ≥60 years. The majority were married or in a relationship. Men and women reported having sexual intercourse 5. 1 and 4. 0 times monthly, respectively. ".
So, it seems this survey was (in multiple Asian countries, but developed Asian countries in fact) limited the survey to people who had sex at least once in the last year. Of those, the average activity is 5. 1 times a month for men and 4 times for women. That is 61 times for men, 48 for women. Neither one comes to the 100 number, and remember this is of those people who had sex at least once. In the flowing data study, nearly a fifth of adults did not have sex even once in the last 12 M. Plus, I don't know how honestly this link above in the Asian study balanced the population to include all the other factors (people with bad health, low income, etc).
India has a billion people and China has a billion (actually, more like 1. 35 to 1. 4 B each). Together, they make 36% of world population. I could not find any good links on how often people have sex in those nations, across all sections of population. You can find some specific sub-sections of population but not the entire population.
So, I come back to my original question: How can any publication claim to rank countries by sexual activity when there is no accurate data available about incidence of sex across the entire population in even the advanced countries let alone all 200 odd countries in the world?
ExpatLover
10-04-20, 02:37
EL: including the new promising virus covid 19 which seems to be a very good offer.
Smoke Light
10-04-20, 03:36
I feel somewhat uneasy reading posts about such low level statistics of people having sex per year. I need sex every day. Except maybe bad days when I am under the weather or someone is sick in the family. I would self describe as a workaholic, yet regardless if I work 12 or 14 hours or more, I want sex. Do it before bedtime, in the morning, before or after lunch, doesn't matter, I want it once a day. Like eating, breathing, exercising, laughing, sleeping, whatever you do as a living organism. And I am not trivializing sex, I view it as a soulful, healthy, and always respectful connection between me and my delightful girl du jour. If I can afford to pay her, isn't it wonderful for both of us? Do I need to report statistics how many times I sleep or eat per year? I just don't get it why it's so popular to alienate sex from a common daily experience.
Yes, porn helps, but it cannot substitute a warm, hot body of a beautiful girl, the smell of her hair, perfume, her hand on my balls, do I need to go on? Occasionally watching porn is fine, but not as adequate replacement of a normal intercourse. I think it's a dangerous misconception which, regrettably, has already made itself firmly into mainstream of today's life. Watching porn together with a partner is, of course, a completely different story. Once I had great time watching Tinto Brass's Paprika with a lovely girl in my hotel room in Bonn, ordering pizza, drinking wine, convincing her to stay overnight and eating her pussy at 4 o'clock in the morning while she watched lesbian porn on her phone, then making her cum hard, pushing me away from her sweet juicy fuckhole. When am I alone, I prefer genuine, unscripted amateur porn, capturing glimpses of sincere lust between the partners.
Staying in touch and chatting with FKK girls helps me to cope with my basic needs in these horrible times. They are my angels, my lovely fuck mates, my buddies and friends. I love them. My last FKK visit was New Years Eve in January. I had 5 rooms and filled the rubber each and every time, all 5 standard 30-minute rooms! These ugly stats on sex per year per month per country per men per women sicken me. I wish all people loved sex as a healthy gift from nature without prejudice and poison of fictitious societal "norms".
So, I come back to my original question: How can any publication claim to rank countries by sexual activity when there is no accurate data available about incidence of sex across the entire population in even the advanced countries let alone all 200 odd countries in the world?Basically, it's not to be taken as a point of scientific reference. No need to scrutinize in such depth.
On the flip side, my immediate thoughts went to Warring cultures like the Romans, Persians, and Vikings where sex was rampant. Or Brazil being one of the most violent countries in the world yet attitudes on sex being one of the most liberal in the world.The Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Vikings and Romans were very warlike. Early in their civilizations they were very constrained and rigid towards sex; however, with growing wealth from their military conquests they then became very liberal towards sex with orgies, etc. thus becoming more peaceful resulting in vulnerability to outside attack ending in declining empires. Middle ages England and Europe e. g. Spain during the inquisition were very strict religious societies with much sexual repression resulting in numerous military conquests that led to world domination. With the decline of religion in those countries and sexual liberation England and Europe's place in the world has declined significantly. The US was once a very religious and sexually repressed country and rose to dominate the world militarily. The powers that be in the US are seeking to continue sexual repression in order to have a military edge over its enemies. Is the influence of porn defeating their goal? Masturbation to porn releases sexual tension to a much greater extent than masturbation prior to porn. I have done a survey on ISG and many responders prefer to masturbate to pornhub or chaturbate, etc. rather than fuck an ordinary woman.
Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.In FKK land, some guys develop such frustration and jealousy from their visits, becoming really mad. Some guys paying time with girls to bullshit rather than fucking. One of my very regular for years telling me: easy finishing in 5 mn, but boring me obsessed by you for rest of time. She decided to refuse to repeat.
HammerTime96
10-04-20, 16:17
Here is what the WHO has to say about face masks: (download the. Pdf file on the lefthand side).
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov) -outbreak.
Quote from page 6: "Results from cluster randomized controlled trials on the use of masks among young adults living in university residences in the United States of America indicate that face masks may reduce the rate of influenza-like illness, but showed no impact on risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza. (62,63) At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID- 19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. ".
So with "no direct evidence" on 'the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people," the politicians and media continue to act like dictators and keep in insisting everybody wears a face diaper with all possible negative side effects, which include self-contamination!
Quote from page 8:
"Potential harms / disadvantages.
The likely disadvantages of the use of mask by healthy people in the general public include:
potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands;(48,49).
potential self-contamination that can occur if non- medical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify;.
potential headache and / or breathing difficulties, depending on type of mask used;.
potential development of facial skin lesions, irritant dermatitis or worsening acne, when used frequently for long hours;(50).
difficulty with communicating clearly;.
potential discomfort;(41,51).
a false sense of security, leading to potentially lower.
Adherence to other critical preventive measures such as.
Physical distancing and hand hygiene;.
poor compliance with mask wearing, in particular by.
Young children;.
waste management issues; improper mask disposal.
Leading to increased litter in public places, risk of.
Contamination to street cleaners and environment hazard;.
difficulty communicating for deaf persons who rely on.
Lip reading;.
disadvantages for or difficulty wearing them, especially.
For children, developmentally challenged persons, those with mental illness, elderly persons with cognitive impairment, those with asthma or chronic respiratory or breathing problems, those who have had facial trauma or recent oral maxillofacial surgery, and those living in hot and humid environments.
The Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Vikings and Romans were very warlike. Early in their civilizations they were very constrained and rigid towards sex; however, with growing wealth from their military conquests they then became very liberal towards sex with orgies, etc. thus becoming more peaceful resulting in vulnerability to outside attack ending in declining empires. While it fits your narrative, there is nothing in historic literature that backs your claims that those societies were sexually constrained and rigid early in their histories. Feel free to provide source so I can educate myself.
Middle ages England and Europe e. g. Spain during the inquisition were very strict religious societies with much sexual repression resulting in numerous military conquests that led to world domination. With the decline of religion in those countries and sexual liberation England and Europe's place in the world has declined significantly. The US was once a very religious and sexually repressed country and rose to dominate the world militarily. The powers that be in the US are seeking to continue sexual repression in order to have a military edge over its enemies.Decline and rise more easily explained by events of War War 2. Besides, the American attitude towards sex has always been and still is relatively repressed and the loosening of that attitude from the 20's through the 90's only correlated to a rise to power, not a decline. From Puritan America to the Great Depression, America was not a superpower and was even more sexually repressed. European collapse due to tens of millions of lost lives, infrastructure destruction, and political musical chairs better explained Europe's decline rather than, "sexual liberation equals less war. "
Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries.Kings and the oligarchy class have the power to start wars, not the masses, and those powerful people are hardly ever the sexually repressed. Kings, emperors, sultans, senators, etc have their balls drained on a regular basis so built up sexual tension is ever hardly their reasoning for starting wars.
If anything sexual (although it is more likely to due to poverty and education), a better measuring stick for your thesis is internal violence within societies as that reflects the mental state of the masses. Upon inspecting that, societies like Japan, Sweden, Singapore, etc are pretty sexually repressed but also very peaceful. Most muslim states have low incidence of violent crime but are obviously very sexually repressed.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/groups/Muslim-countries/Crime
As previously stated, numerous countries with open sex attitudes have pretty high violent crime rates, Brazil, Colombia, basically nearly all south and central American countries.
I feel somewhat uneasy reading posts about such low level statistics of people having sex per year. I need sex every day. Except maybe bad days when I am under the weather or someone is sick in the family. I would self describe as a workaholic, yet regardless if I work 12 or 14 hours or more, I want sex. Do it before bedtime, in the morning, before or after lunch, doesn't matter, I want it once a day. Like eating, breathing, exercising, laughing, sleeping, whatever you do as a living organism. And I am not trivializing sex, I view it as a soulful, healthy, and always respectful connection between me and my delightful girl du jour. If I can afford to pay her, isn't it wonderful for both of us? Do I need to report statistics how many times I sleep or eat per year? I just don't get it why it's so popular to alienate sex from a common daily experience.
Yes, porn helps, but it cannot substitute a warm, hot body of a beautiful girl, the smell of her hair, perfume, her hand on my balls, do I need to go on? Occasionally watching porn is fine, but not as adequate replacement of a normal intercourse. I think it's a dangerous misconception which, regrettably, has already made itself firmly into mainstream of today's life. Watching porn together with a partner is, of course, a completely different story.I am w / you on the porn substitution. A real woman and her touch and smell simply cannot be substituted by masturbation coupled w / porn. That does not mean I have not used masturbation or porn, but it is a poor, poor substitution and highly unsatisfactory.
As for frequency of sexual activity, I would also wish healthy, frequent sexual activity for everyone but I doubt that reality matches that wish.
1. For a large number of people, sex is simply not that important. First, I think for women it is clearly a lot less important than for men. Everything else being equal (age / health / worries about making money etc), a man would want good sex but also frequent sex and may want to keep having it many times but a woman is likely to be satisfied with quality sex that is less frequent. Perhaps women place a lot more importance on quality while men want both and are willing to compromise on quality to make up in quantity. Many rich men become playboys but there are very few stories of rich women being playgirls and fucking dozens of new young studs weekly.
If there was a FKK catering to women where women can go and fuck naked men parading around in the club as we do w / girls, it is very doubtful that there are sufficient # of women in the world to support dozens of such clubs as currently exist. Assume for a minute there is no social taboo, women are free and have enough money, etc. Even with all those, the chance that women would fly from around the world, drive from France every weekend as our friend does, to fuck 5 guys a day for 6 days in a row is close to zero. And in fact, money permitting, it is easy for women to do it. We men can't finish so many times a day but women have no such issues. But my firm belief is that there will be no demand for such clubs from women.
2. There is a mismatch between people needing / wanting sex and those able to have sex. For example, there may be many horny men who can physically have sex, willing to compromise on looks and other things, and would have sex twice a day 365 days a year, but don't have a willing partner, but the guy does not have skills and game / partner / money / other things to make that sex happen. On the other hand, there will be many people who have money and have the means, have a sexual partner / relationship but don't have sexual drive to have sex frequently. If one partner is interested in sex then that partner would be sexually frustrated, and if the partner is also equally disinterested then it will be a sexless marriage / relationship.
3. With age / health / job stress / other reasons / sexual desire simply dies / wanes for many people.
People, especially mongers here, compute mental averages with the thinking they are in the middle. That is a huge mistake when it comes to sex and ISG members. We take weeks off, fly across the world, spend several grand a year, just for sex. We are probably 0. 00001% of world's men in that regard. To us sex is very important. To think our situation is representative of an average adult in the world on the topic of sex is the biggest mistake we can make, just as Bill Gates thinking everyone in the world is as secure about money as he is.
Upon inspecting that, societies like Japan, Sweden, Singapore, etc are pretty sexually repressed but also very peaceful. Most muslim states have low incidence of violent crime but are obviously very sexually repressed.
Notwithstanding the Nordic model and some of their pc stuff, the Swedes are far from repressed when it comes to sex. I've spent enough time with Swedish students to know that.
Notwithstanding the Nordic model and some of their pc stuff, the Swedes are far from repressed when it comes to sex. I've spent enough time with Swedish students to know that.Yeah, somehow in conversation, social rigidness turned into sexual repression, didn't mean that. I just meant that the culture and customs as a whole doesn't breed an environment of sexual expression.
Here is what the WHO has to say about face masks: (download the. Pdf file on the lefthand side).
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov) -outbreak.
Quote from page 6: "Results from cluster randomized controlled trials on the use of masks among young adults living in university residences in the United States of America indicate that face masks may reduce the rate of influenza-like illness, but showed no impact on risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza. (62,63) At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID- 19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. ".
So with "no direct evidence" on 'the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people," the politicians and media continue to act like dictators and keep in insisting everybody wears a face diaper with all possible negative side effects, which include self-contamination!
Quote from page 8:
"Potential harms / disadvantages.
The likely disadvantages of the use of mask by healthy people in the general public include:
potential increased risk of self-contamination due to the manipulation of a face mask and subsequently touching eyes with contaminated hands;(48,49).
potential self-contamination that can occur if non- medical masks are not changed when wet or soiled. This can create favourable conditions for microorganism to amplify;..So clever and good example and image Trump experience about his crazy talks. I wish Slovenian Ivana will feel good.
The Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Vikings and Romans were very warlike. Early in their civilizations they were very constrained and rigid towards sex; however, with growing wealth from their military conquests they then became very liberal towards sex with orgies, etc. thus becoming more peaceful resulting in vulnerability to outside attack ending in declining empires.Romans in Pompei invented the first brothels with five types of sex for sale: intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio, active anal sex, and passive anal sex. Then the volcano erupted! https://theconversation.com/the-grim-reality-of-the-brothels-of-pompeii-88853 and http://www.pompeii.org.uk/s.php/pompei-proibita-en-214-s1.htm.
............. Upon inspecting that, societies like Japan, Sweden, Singapore, etc are pretty sexually repressed but also very peaceful. Most muslim states have low incidence of violent crime but are obviously very sexually repressed.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/groups/Muslim-countries/Crime
As previously stated, numerous countries with open sex attitudes have pretty high violent crime rates, Brazil, Colombia, basically nearly all south and central American countries.Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.
Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.You avoided his point about Muslim states. And, as always, the best points are the ones that are ignored. Also Latin America is widely seen as "the left wing" of the Catholic Church. In Medellin vendors often sell sex toys in Parque Bolivar in front of Catedral Basνlica Metropolitana. Sex in the minds of the average person is of the minor sins that might warrant a few extra seconds in purgatory, if it's viewed as a sin at all.
Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.And yet it's all over the fucking place in Latin America LOL! That's where I learned how to be a monger.
Sebastiane
10-05-20, 17:15
We all love Romanian girls and many of them tell us they are Bucharest or Constanza (but we know not all of them will be from these two places!
So I'd like us to list all the places girls have told you they come from in Romania.
Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.LOL at Roman Catholic trope. Have you ever been to a Latin American Carnival? A Latin American night club? Or ever met an Italian man? "Pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence", yeah okay.
I admittingly incorrectly applied the term sexually repressed in regards to Sweden as Nordic countries are pretty sexually liberal in practice, their cultures just don't exude sexuality. But even though they are liberal minded to it, do they actually have much sex?
But Singapore? Japan?
Lack of Sex in Singapore.
http://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Singapore/sub5_7d/entry-3745.html
In 2005, condom-maker Durex ranked Singapore for three straight years near the bottom of its list of sexually active nations. among 34 nations in the frequency Peter Edidin wrote in the New York Times, Singaporeans do not appear especially, or even adequately, eager to have sex. In an annual global sex survey conducted by Durex, a condom manufacturer, Singapore ranked last, for the second year in a row, among 34 nations in the frequency with which men and women reported having sex. (Hungary is No. 1.) According to another study, of 1000 Singaporeans younger than 40, conducted by professor Victor Goh of the National University of Singapore, only 25 percent of men and 10 percent of women wanted sex more than six times a month.Japanese youth don't even have sex anymore and for God's sake, their porn is even pixelated!
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demographic-time-bomb-birth-rates-sex-robots-fertility-crisis-virgins-romance-porn-tokyo-a7831041.html%3Famp
Nearly a third of Japanese people are entering their 30s without any sexual experience, according to research.
The country is facing a steep population decline as a growing number of youngsters abstain from sex and avoid romantic relationships.
I admittingly incorrectly applied the term sexually repressed in regards to Sweden as Nordic countries are pretty sexually liberal in practice, their cultures just don't exude sexuality. But even though they are liberal minded to it, do they actually have much sex?Some do. Some don't. But in general, a colder climate makes people more introvert in the Nordics. And I do believe a colder climate may be the reason for less sex than say in Spain or Brazil. A colder climate has all sorts of problems with it. Ranging from higher levels of depression and lack of vitamin the, to people getting sleepier during the winter. Leading to less sex. Once the spring and the sun arrives again, people get instantly horny.
But there are many factors in this, and I do think the entire schooling system in Europe and America is based on religion. And population control. Thus leading to less sex. But that is just part of the picture.
Some do. Some don't. But in general, a colder climate makes people more introvert in the Nordics. And I do believe a colder climate may be the reason for less sex than say in Spain or Brazil. A colder climate has all sorts of problems with it. Ranging from higher levels of depression and lack of vitamin the, to people getting sleepier during the winter. Leading to less sex. Once the spring and the sun arrives again, people get instantly horny.
But there are many factors in this, and I do think the entire schooling system in Europe and America is based on religion. And population control. Thus leading to less sex. But that is just part of the picture.They should rub to warm up.
HammerTime96
10-05-20, 23:17
Japanese youth don't even have sex anymore and for God's sake, their porn is even pixelated!
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-sex-problem-demographic-time-bomb-birth-rates-sex-robots-fertility-crisis-virgins-romance-porn-tokyo-a7831041.html%3FampWhat do you think it the whole point of those silly face diapers and "social distancing?" To stop people from reproducing.
What long term psychological effect do you think this has on the current teenagers? It's all part of the George Soros "Open Societies" plan to socially engineer the world. This website is probably on his pay roll, hahaha!
Some do. Some don't. But in general, a colder climate makes people more introvert in the Nordics. And I do believe a colder climate may be the reason for less sex than say in Spain or Brazil. A colder climate has all sorts of problems with it. Ranging from higher levels of depression and lack of vitamin the, to people getting sleepier during the winter. Leading to less sex. Once the spring and the sun arrives again, people get instantly horny.
But there are many factors in this, and I do think the entire schooling system in Europe and America is based on religion. And population control. Thus leading to less sex. But that is just part of the picture.Seriously? Do you guys hibernate like bears, LOL. I have lived in NYC, Boston and Chicago at various parts of my life and was just as horny during the winter months.
However, we in the US tend to work just as long hours in winter as in summer. I remember feeling as sleep deprived in winter as in summer.
Sexual repression in a country is where sex is frowned upon and regarded as a sin which means that Japan, Sweden and Singapore are not sexually repressed countries hence their peaceful outlook. Brazil, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, etc. are highly religious societies with pervasive teachings about sexual abstinence. Do not confuse the existence of prostitution in a country with open sex attitudes. Prostitution is hugely frowned upon in Roman Catholic societies which Latin American countries are.Wikipedia highlights a study on ethnic differences of American college-aged women towards pre-marital sex. Amongst Euro-American and Asian-American women, religiosity and religious fundamentalism strongly predicted conservative sexual attitudes. With Hispanic-American women it did not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_sex.
Roman Catholicism appears to play a role in Latin America's anti-abortion stance. As a region, Latin America has teenage pregnancy rates that are second only to Sub-Suharan Africa. And although teenage pregnancy is dropping across all ethnicities in the USA, the Hispanic-American population continues to have the highest teen birth rate: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/us-teenage-birth-rates-fall-again.
Also Brazilians appear to lose their virginity earlier than Germans and Dutch. So while their faith preaches sexual abstinence, I do not find that it represses their sexual urges: https://www.her.ie/life/heres-the-average-age-people-lose-their-virginity-around-the-world-316576.
I would rephrase your statement as follows: "Japan, Sweden, and Singapore are rich, developed countries with older populations hence their peaceful outlook".
We all love Romanian girls and many of them tell us they are Bucharest or Constanza (but we know not all of them will be from these two places!
So I'd like us to list all the places girls have told you they come from in Romania.The usual ones. Timiosora, Brasov, Cluj, Craiova etc.
The funnier thing is about the ones from Moldavia. When I ask, "so, you from Romania?" They act all haughty and offended and say "NO, Moldavia" LOL.
Seriously is Moldavia that much higher in bragging hierarchy than Romania? Or is it national pride talking? LOL.
Wikipedia highlights a study on ethnic differences of American college-aged women towards pre-marital sex. Amongst Euro-American and Asian-American women, religiosity and religious fundamentalism strongly predicted conservative sexual attitudes. With Hispanic-American women it did not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarital_sex.
Roman Catholicism appears to play a role in Latin America's anti-abortion stance. As a region, Latin America has teenage pregnancy rates that are second only to Sub-Suharan Africa. And although teenage pregnancy is dropping across all ethnicities in the USA, the Hispanic-American population continues to have the highest teen birth rate: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/us-teenage-birth-rates-fall-again.
Also Brazilians appear to lose their virginity earlier than Germans and Dutch. So while their faith preaches sexual abstinence, I do not find that it represses their sexual urges: https://www.her.ie/life/heres-the-average-age-people-lose-their-virginity-around-the-world-316576.
I would rephrase your statement as follows: "Japan, Sweden, and Singapore are rich, developed countries with older populations hence their peaceful outlook".I think it is silly and equally fallacious to point to age or income level as the differentiating axis to explain crime and I don't think it is any more valid than easy availability of sex.
I was not following this thread. But first of all, equating peace and lack of crime is just plain wrong. Pre WW2 Japan was extremely war mongering but I don't know that they had much crime in their society in those days. On the other hand, Brazil or Mexico haven't attacked anyone of late that I know of but I would not be too confident to be tourist in their countries.
So, peace in my mind is just a wrong choice of word here.
If it is crime you are talking of, there must be tons of real in-depth research on this topic. This being a sex forum, people come converging onto sex as an axis. I am not a huge fan of such simplistic views. But it is equally wrong to say "Japan is old, rich blah blah" to explain crime. I use GDP per capita as my metric / proxy of a country's income levels. That has sharply fallen for Japan. We went through these arguments before, a few months ago. I had presented tons of data. But I don't believe Japan's crime index has commensurately risen with fall in GDP per capita. US is much higher than almost all the larger countries on that metric but our cities do have high crime. And age is even worse axis to explain crime. Seriously! Instead of pointing to one or two anecdotal examples, if you really want to argue that the average age of a country bears a relation to the amount of crime in that country, you should index these numbers for multiple countries and see if there is any real relationship that is significant.
Perhaps this is your area of expertise and you know more. It most definitely is not my area of expertise. But it strikes me that crime in a society is an extremely complex subject and to condense it to one or two simplistic factors is naive, and I am very suspicious of arguments that include one or two links, a couple of anecdotal examples and claim "voila, argument provided, relationship established".
You avoided his point about Muslim states. And, as always, the best points are the ones that are ignored.............Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.
This post really baffles me. I cannot speak about age, but there is a plethora of data to support the correlation between crime (specifically violent crime) and poverty. How is that observation so vehemently argued? Look at this ranking of crime index by country. Ukraine is the only European country in the top 50, and it is one of the poorest per capita in Europe. The US barely checks in right at 50.
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.js
Furthermore, I think correlating GDP with real average income has been proven to be hugely misleading as high GDP does not correlate to the wealth of the citizenry. What often happens is that with high GDP, income inequality rears it's head, and income inequality is strongly correlated with crime, especially violent crime.
https://wp.nyu.edu/dispatch/2018/05/23/how-big-is-income-inequality-as-a-determinant-of-crime-rates/
On the flip side, look at the most recent Global Peace Index report regarding safety. Iceland, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, and Japan top the list of safest countries. To boot, those countries also have much lower rates of income inequality.
http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/06/GPI-2019-web003.pdf
As for the example of Japan, your assertion of crime in relation to per capita GDP is undoubtedly wrong. The story of Japan's economic decline is an outdated perception. Japan's economy really only declined from the 1991 crash to the early 2000's, referred to as Japan's "Lost Decade. " During that time, crime did increase in Japan. Since then, as their economy rebuilds, their crime rates has also declined. The health of their economy showed a heavy correlation between their peak crime rates in 2002 and a sharp decline since then as their economy also strengthened. After all, they remain the 3rd largest economy in the world.
Japanese Per capita GDP:
https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/gdp-per-capita
Japanese crime:
https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00068/
Lastly, perhaps the fact that Mexico and Brazil have never been warmongering countries is simply a reflection of the fact that they just never had the economic capability to wage expansion warfare?
I think it is silly and equally fallacious to point to age or income level as the differentiating axis to explain crime and I don't think it is any more valid than easy availability of sex.
I was not following this thread. But first of all, equating peace and lack of crime is just plain wrong. Pre WW2 Japan was extremely war mongering but I don't know that they had much crime in their society in those days. On the other hand, Brazil or Mexico haven't attacked anyone of late that I know of but I would not be too confident to be tourist in their countries.
So, peace in my mind is just a wrong choice of word here.
If it is crime you are talking of, there must be tons of real in-depth research on this topic. This being a sex forum, people come converging onto sex as an axis. I am not a huge fan of such simplistic views. But it is equally wrong to say "Japan is old, rich blah blah" to explain crime. I use GDP per capita as my metric / proxy of a country's income levels. That has sharply fallen for Japan. We went through these arguments before, a few months ago. I had presented tons of data. But I don't believe Japan's crime index has commensurately risen with fall in GDP per capita. US is much higher than almost all the larger countries on that metric but our cities do have high crime. And age is even worse axis to explain crime. Seriously! Instead of pointing to one or two anecdotal examples, if you really want to argue that the average age of a country bears a relation to the amount of crime in that country, you should index these numbers for multiple countries and see if there is any real relationship that is significant..
Seriously? Do you guys hibernate like bears, LOL. I have lived in NYC, Boston and Chicago at various parts of my life and was just as horny during the winter months.
However, we in the US tend to work just as long hours in winter as in summer. I remember feeling as sleep deprived in winter as in summer.I do believe we are both humans and not bears. Immigrants I talk to from Africa say the same. Actually studies show what I am talking about is even worse for them given they need even more sun on their bodies than white people do. So fertility rates among black people in the far north should thus fall more than among whites as they get even less sexually active due to lack of vitamin the and sun on their bodies.
So not underestimate old powerful Ra.
The usual ones. Timiosora, Brasov, Cluj, Craiova etc.
The funnier thing is about the ones from Moldavia. When I ask, "so, you from Romania?" They act all haughty and offended and say "NO, Moldavia" LOL.
Seriously is Moldavia that much higher in bragging hierarchy than Romania? Or is it national pride talking? LOL.People from historic Moldavia or Moldova does not like the partition of their historic country into 2 separate parts. Like the basques of Spain perhaps. Half is now a separate country, and half constitutes a third of what is now Romania.
The only thing the two parts of historic Moldova disagrees on is if they should be a country of their own, or a part of Romania since the language is in fact Romanian. A census done in the Romanian part shows they prefer to be a part of Romania (I bet because of EU). But a census in the country of Moldova shows they want their own independence (because no city likes to be ruled by another city in any country?
However, citizens of the country of Moldova can very easily get a Romanian passport if they want in a public office in Chisinau. Thus we get to see girls from both parts in FKK's.
I personally don't recall any girls from Craiova. Just the poster here on ISG.
But I may add Timisoara / Arad, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Constanca, Iasi, Braila / Galati. I seem to have a high proportion of my top picks from Braila / Galati or Cluj (or on the north, maybe north east side of Cluj in smaller cities or towns there). Timisoara / Arad girls can seem more western, and some girls from there always lie about being Hungarian. But it seems to be less and less of them as Timisoara has a good economy. And some of the girls I have been with claim they have a mother from Iasi. I get a feeling there is this idea among Romanians that Iasi has the most beautiful girls. While others say Brasov perhaps due to Dracula or the culture there. But it seems Brasov has hot girls also. Like on I just was with last week. Exceptional girl.
This post really baffles me. I cannot speak about age, but there is a plethora of data to support the correlation between crime (specifically violent crime) and poverty. How is that observation so vehemently argued? Look at this ranking of crime index by country. Ukraine is the only European country in the top 50, and it is one of the poorest per capita in Europe. The US barely checks in right at 50.
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.js
Furthermore, I think correlating GDP with real average income has been proven to be hugely misleading as high GDP does not correlate to the wealth of the citizenry. What often happens is that with high GDP, income inequality rears it's head, and income inequality is strongly correlated with crime, especially violent crime.
https://wp.nyu.edu/dispatch/2018/05/23/how-big-is-income-inequality-as-a-determinant-of-crime-rates/
On the flip side, look at the most recent Global Peace Index report regarding safety. Iceland, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, and Japan top the list of safest countries. To boot, those countries also have much lower rates of income inequality.
http://visionofhumanity.org/app/uploads/2019/06/GPI-2019-web003.pdf
As for the example of Japan, your assertion of crime in relation to per capita GDP is undoubtedly wrong. The story of Japan's economic decline is an outdated perception. Japan's economy really only declined from the 1991 crash to the early 2000's, referred to as Japan's "Lost Decade. " During that time, crime did increase in Japan. Since then, as their economy rebuilds, their crime rates has also declined. The health of their economy showed a heavy correlation between their peak crime rates in 2002 and a sharp decline since then as their economy also strengthened. After all, they remain the 3rd largest economy in the world.
Japanese Per capita GDP:Even in the Numbeo link you provided and I have no idea about the accuracy of their data, there are so many instances which break the income and crime index links.
South Africa, one of the richer countries in Africa with $6 K per capita GDP is 3rd most dangerous in the world. Bahamas has per capita of $32 K and is 18th most dangerous. Puerto Rico around the same per capita is 15th most dangerous. Brazil and Argentina with $9 K and 10 K per capita are in bottom 20 safest. Then on the safer side, Rwanda with $800 per capita is supposedly 11th safest in the world. Oman with $15 K is 5th safest but Kuwait with $32 K and in the same neighborhood is 41st safest.
I never said income is not a factor. I objected to a simplistic analysis of crime in a society using one variable I. E. National income amount and worse yet, claiming that one variable explains most of the crime. If Mcadonis had said there is some correlation between income and crime, I would not have a problem.
As for Japan having only a lost decade, fine you can keep you views but if see this link below, in current US $, Japan's per capita was $43 K in 1995 and is $40 K in 2019. Currency swings had a big impact, but by no means they have been booming in the last 2 decades.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=JP&name_desc=false
You brought up income inequality. That may have an even greater explanatory power than absolute level of income. But that was my point. In the comment from Mc Adonis, his sole variables were income and age and that is what I objected to. Income level is different from income inequality. And even more. Income and wealth inequality at a local level matter. The average firefighter in Mountain View has a sucky life if he was not lucky enough to own a house, as he can't afford the rent and has to commute from 20 miles south of Gilroy. His life would not be impacted by whether Japan's per capita GDP was higher or lower than that of USA.
And there would be a zillion other factors. Social net, government policies, racial and other differences in the country, and on and on. And that is the other thing I said. Crime in a society is extremely well researched. There is tons of literature which one can pull up with a single search word. I don't know that I need to rehash it, and certainly none of those researchers are using a single variable I. E. Income level of a country to explain it. To the extent crime is local, to use a variable such as absolute amount of national income as a huge explanatory variable (or median age of population) does not make any sense.
ExpatLover
10-06-20, 21:26
Covid situation is worsening day by day in Europe, it is irresponsible to keep FKK and brothels open. Today Japanese experts released a report saying that the virus can survive up to 9 hours on human skin and still being able to infect people.
I really don t know which kind of information the people need to get to start to understand that it is the time to keep social distancing, and therefor not to visit prostitutes.
And age is even worse axis to explain crime. Seriously! Instead of pointing to one or two anecdotal examples, if you really want to argue that the average age of a country bears a relation to the amount of crime in that country, you should index these numbers for multiple countries and see if there is any real relationship that is significant.Man,
Well that was pretty easy to research. McA, no need to index it yourself as a picture is worth a thousand words, LOL.
Sources:
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp
https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php
*Correlation does not mean causation but whether there is a direct or indirect relationship, a connection is pretty strongly indicated.
Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.You shifted the goalposts, at least as to the point made by other member, the same one I was commenting on. The criteria was violent crime, not acts of wars in select Muslim countries. And your Latin America thesis was blown to bits by myself and others. Maybe you'll make a go at that one as well.
Man,
Well that was pretty easy to research. McA, no need to index it yourself as a picture is worth a thousand words, LOL.
Sources:
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp
https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php
*Correlation does not mean causation but whether there is a direct or indirect relationship, a connection is pretty strongly indicated.Germany and Nepal have a crime index of 35. Nepal avg age is 22, Germany is 45. Germany per capita GDP $46 K, Nepal $1070.
Italy, Belgium Nicaragua, UK, India, Pakistan are shown at crime index of 44 to 45. Square in the middle of the index range of 11 to 85.
Pakistan: $1284,22. 5 years.
India: $2100; 26.4 years.
Nicaragua $1910; no age in that link you sent.
UK: 40 years; $42,300.
Italy: 44 years; 33 grand.
Belgium 41 years; 46 grand.
Lebanon: $7800,no age info.
Perhaps you are able to spot some pattern, but I don't.
I do believe we are both humans and not bears. Immigrants I talk to from Africa say the same. Actually studies show what I am talking about is even worse for them given they need even more sun on their bodies than white people do. So fertility rates among black people in the far north should thus fall more than among whites as they get even less sexually active due to lack of vitamin the and sun on their bodies.
So not underestimate old powerful Ra.Perhaps it has to do with sunlight more than exterior temperatures. I would come out to grab coffee around 4 PM and it would be already semi or quite dark in Boston in winter months. Feels totally depressing although around Christmas the lights are beautiful. But it didn't matter because I would get back up the elevator to toil till 9 PM and sometimes past midnight. Luckily the company would pay for car service beyond a certain time and we could order dinner upstairs after 6 PM. Thankfully I am out of that work style now.
I can imagine it gets darker even earlier in Norway if I remember in your case; I have no idea what type of work hours you guys have there but not many places are as lousy as NYC (except Asian guys, who generally are much worse than us even).
Nevertheless, it mattered not one whit to how horny I felt regardless of the season or length of sunlight hours.
Covid situation is worsening day by day in Europe, it is irresponsible to keep FKK and brothels open. Today Japanese experts released a report saying that the virus can survive up to 9 hours on human skin and still being able to infect people.
I really don t know which kind of information the people need to get to start to understand that it is the time to keep social distancing, and therefor not to visit prostitutes.And I honestly do not know Sir why you bother to visit these forums. It is only to tell people what not to do. It is for people to make their own minds up about what to do with their lives. Those who want to protect themselves will all stay indoors. If you don't go out you won't get it. Others take a different view which is to take calculated risks. I think you will find that for every time there is a lockdown or restrictions the numbers will drop. Society will then start to ease and go back to normal and the numbers will increase. We have to learn to live with it. Otherwise everyone will stay indoors for the rest of their lives. This virus is not going away until there is a 100% killer vaccine (which might be never). So unless you want life as we know it to end until the end of your own life, you will need to start to accept that there is something out there which badly hurts and kills humans. Influenza kills far more. I 100% guarantee we will all have been in an FKK when a girl or other punter had influenza. You don't stop going because someone might have that. And it is a greater killer.
South Africa, one of the richer countries in Africa with $6 K per capita GDP is 3rd most dangerous in the world.
You brought up income inequality. That may have an even greater explanatory power than absolute level of income. But that was my point. In the comment from Mc Adonis, his sole variables were income and age and that is what I objected to. Income level is different from income inequality. And even more. Income and wealth inequality at a local level matter. The average firefighter in Mountain View has a sucky life if he was not lucky enough to own a house, as he can't afford the rent and has to commute from 20 miles south of Gilroy. His life would not be impacted by whether Japan's per capita GDP was higher or lower than that of USA.See my post #1522, I mentioned GINI as an aside, along with low median age and GDP per capita. But given Mursenary's commentary, I suppose all three should be equally weighted with regards to being predictors for violence and civil unrest. South Africa's GINI is 66, well beyond the 40 threshold. USA's GINI has been hovering around 40 for a few decades, but given USA's wealth, not a single person is starving to death. Afghanistan is a completely different story. While it does not appear to have a GINI above 40, the median age is 19 years old, and the average woman there gives birth to seven children. This ensures a never-ending cycle of poverty. In these poorer parts of the world, a child reportedly dies of starvation every eleven seconds. This unchecked population growth means bleak opportunities for the ones that survive into adulthood, and creates young men that are easier to radicalize. Demographics imbalances and economic disparity are two ways that global security experts use to predict civil unrest, but you are correct they are not the only ones.
https://www.latimes.com/world/population/la-fg-population-matters2-20120724-html-htmlstory.html
About 80% of the worlds civil conflicts since the 1970s have occurred in countries with young, rapidly growing populations.
A large youth population does not automatically result in violence. Religious and ethnic friction, political rivalries, economic disparities or food shortages can provide the spark. Mobs of unemployed young men provide the kindling.
A youth boom contributed to the rise of the Nazis in 1930s Germany and to Japans military ambitions in the Pacific.
More recently, demonstrators crushed in the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests in China were part of a generational bulge, as were young activists and rioters in the U.S. in the 1960s and 70s.
In 1974, U.S. national security advisor Henry Kissinger warned in a then-classified memo that the growing numbers of young people in the developing world were likely to be more volatile, unstable, prone to extremes, alienation and violence than older populations.
It is urgent that measures to reduce fertility be started, he wrote.
In planning documents, the Pentagon and the National Intelligence Council warn of a looming demographic crisis in parts of Africa and Asia, where rapid population growth and climate-related disasters could help trigger famines, wars and revolutions.
Implied in the security assessments is that curbing population growth could help reduce instability in such countries. But top U.S. officials tiptoe around this sensitive topic.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, for instance, does not speak directly about reducing population pressure. Instead, she says it is in Americas national security interest to pay attention to the special needs of women and girls by improving access to family planning, among other steps.The above is part of a five-part series. There is an even part that somewhat supports Turgid's original point.
Afghanistan is a stark example. Since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001, the population has swelled from 23 million to 33 million. Nearly three-fourths of Afghans are under 30. The median age is 16.6, compared with 37 in the United States.
In a sluggish agrarian economy, few young men can find legitimate employment. Their lack of a steady income essentially closes the door to marriage in a society where sex outside of wedlock is forbidden. Tradition requires paying a dowry and staging a wedding celebration, which together cost as much as $5,000 three times the average annual household income.
See my post #1522, I mentioned GINI as an aside, along with low median age and GDP per capita. But given Mursenary's commentary, I suppose all three should be equally weighted with regards to being predictors for violence and civil unrest. South Africa's GINI is 66, well beyond the 40 threshold. USA's GINI has been hovering around 40 for a few decades, but given USA's wealth, not a single person is starving to death. Afghanistan is a completely different story. While it does not appear to have a GINI above 40, the median age is 19 years old, and the average woman there gives birth to seven children. This ensures a never-ending cycle of poverty. In these poorer parts of the world, a child reportedly dies of starvation every eleven seconds. This unchecked population growth means bleak opportunities for the ones that survive into adulthood, and creates young men that are easier to radicalize. Demographics imbalances and economic disparity are two ways that global security experts use to predict civil unrest, but you are correct they are not the only ones.
The above is part of a five-part series. There is an even part that somewhat supports Turgid's original point.The crime index table he provided has a mean of 44 with a stdev of 15. There are 40 countries with index value in the 40 to 50 range. Pretty tightly bunched close to the mean. You are welcome to combine age, income and if you prefer GINI to see if they could somehow predict the crime index. These countries range from Sri Lanka, Russia to Tunisia, Lebanon, Bosnia, Indonesia, India, Botswana, Ethiopia, Morocco, France, Myanmar, Ireland and on and on. Our POTUS who wants to bomb Iran would be pleased to know Iran is at 48.9, Iraqis at 48 but we got the better of them with 47.7 although those damned Swedes beat us with 47.4. Reagan would be crying in his grave because both Panama and Nicaragua beat us with 45.5 and 46.2. I have no clue whether they have better*GINI or something else to have bested us. *.
Even with a few basic key word searches using crime, societies, social factors, race, wealth disparity, social nets, government policies, drug use, heterogeneous society, etc I am able to pull up dozens of scholarly articles. I never read them, this is not my area of expertise (I have very few, if any) nor my field of interest. But my point is that if this was such a simple thing as "age, income, Gini explains crime variances between societies and nations" or somehow those 3 variables have enough predictive power, I doubt that all these scholarly dudes are spending years of research looking at the crime issue in such depth. Perhaps they are all clueless bozos. But no one said use those 3 factors and weigh them equally to explain crime variances. At least I did not see it.
I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.
Perhaps it has to do with sunlight more than exterior temperatures. I would come out to grab coffee around 4 PM and it would be already semi or quite dark in Boston in winter months. Feels totally depressing although around Christmas the lights are beautiful. But it didn't matter because I would get back up the elevator to toil till 9 PM and sometimes past midnight. Luckily the company would pay for car service beyond a certain time and we could order dinner upstairs after 6 PM. Thankfully I am out of that work style now.
I can imagine it gets darker even earlier in Norway if I remember in your case; I have no idea what type of work hours you guys have there but not many places are as lousy as NYC (except Asian guys, who generally are much worse than us even).
Nevertheless, it mattered not one whit to how horny I felt regardless of the season or length of sunlight hours.Well, we are all mammals. I tried to find the English word for 'vεryr', but there doesn't seem to be any. It would mean something like 'spring horny'. This Wisconsin deer seems to know all about it at least. Maybe you need to make up a new term in English too now: (translate it with Chrome to read).
https://www.abcnyheter.no/sedenne/v/195450329/varyr-hjort-fant-kjaerligheten-med-hagepynt
Vεare= spring.
Yr= wild or crazy out of passion.
And it is all due to the sunlight reappearing.
This horny effect due to sunlight is of course related to testosterone production.
And on the bright side, the lack thereof might actually make us smarter:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/25/men-blame-hormones-testosterone-trouble-aggression-decision-making
So the link towards planning the repercussions of cumming inside a fertile woman is quite apparent. Thus we can also extrapolate why different countries have different birth rates at young age where they are unable to care for their children.
So entrance 90 and 30 minute basic session is 70 which sums up to 160 . Quite expensive for a rushed quick session with condom blow job and probably not the best performance by the girl either.Management decided to make clients pay for the loss of covid 19 closure period LOL!
ExpatLover
10-07-20, 05:58
EL: I wish for you that you will not catch the covid in a FKK or brothels and transmit it one of your relative, may be in that case you will be able to make the difference in what is important and vital and what is not. Sorry visiting prostitutes is not vital. I already told why I am on this forum, it is to practice my English.
The usual ones. Timiosora, Brasov, Cluj, Craiova etc.
The funnier thing is about the ones from Moldavia. When I ask, "so, you from Romania?" They act all haughty and offended and say "NO, Moldavia" LOL.
Seriously is Moldavia that much higher in bragging hierarchy than Romania? Or is it national pride talking? LOL.Moldavia mean more often Iasie than Chisinau. I like when girls tell me they come from deep Romania, rather than all from Bucharest city or Constanza.
And I honestly do not know Sir why you bother to visit these forums. It is only to tell people what not to do. It is for people to make their own minds up about what to do with their lives. Those who want to protect themselves will all stay indoors. If you don't go out you won't get it. Others take a different view which is to take calculated risks. I think you will find that for every time there is a lockdown or restrictions the numbers will drop. Society will then start to ease and go back to normal and the numbers will increase. We have to learn to live with it. Otherwise everyone will stay indoors for the rest of their lives. This virus is not going away until there is a 100% killer vaccine (which might be never). So unless you want life as we know it to end until the end of your own life, you will need to start to accept that there is something out there which badly hurts and kills humans. Influenza kills far more. I 100% guarantee we will all have been in an FKK when a girl or other punter had influenza. You don't stop going because someone might have that. And it is a greater killer.Those who tell about others addiction, without even knowing this word meaning, they should ask their doctor to explain them what is this disease, or not to go or not to do, are mostly those who are frustrated because they can t go, but as soon they can go, then they just run, like some here. Such jealousy in this business, when my thinking is: we can build our way for life, not always because of others.
ExpatLover
10-07-20, 06:19
The problem is not the crime index but who is committing the crimes in each country, for example one of my family member is holding a high position in France minister de la Justice and he is always saying that 80%+ people in jail in France are none white Christian with a big part of them being Muslim. It is not that Muslim are more criminals than the others it is just that they belong to the poorest of the country, which means a lot of mothers alone to educate the children, which means more children per family, which means no heritage, which means even their incomes are low they need to send money to their home country, which means your incomes are mostly coming from social benefits which is just enough to survive, which means spending hours looking TV learning nothing and being under the negative influence of the advertising industry, which means bad sleeping just because your neighbours are in the same situation than you. At the end of the end the young men have no education, no job opportunities and will start to deal drug and the girls to prostitute. In France you will find extremely few Jude or Asian people in jail just because even they go a wrong way their families will push them hard to go back to the right path, also those families will push the children to educate, and therefor to find a good paid job, which means a better living environment. But all this is also true in the US.
Nooky Ninja
10-07-20, 08:50
And I honestly do not know Sir why you bother to visit these forums. It is only to tell people what not to do. It is for people to make their own minds up about what to do with their lives. Those who want to protect themselves will all stay indoors. ...I 100% guarantee we will all have been in an FKK when a girl or other punter had influenza. You don't stop going because someone might have that. And it is a greater killer.EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.
But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.
Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.
Here is another deer getting a little frisky:
https://youtu.be/6NTFRAOoxnI
Total loss of a sense of awareness when he gets horny.
EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.
But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.
Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.You are correct that we are all entitled to our views. But this is not the place for a debate about Covid. There is even a forum for it on ISG (which is sad in itself). So in the same way as it would not be right for me to now debate mongering in Thailand, or Dubai, or elsewhere in the Artemis thread, it is not appropriate for long sermons on the virus in the Artemis thread.
You are quite wrong about influenza. It DOES kill far more than covid. See only one of many examples. In August. So 8 weeks ago, influenza was killing FIVE TIMES the amount of people in the UK than covid. And the UK is badly hit by covid. See https://www.theweek.co.uk/107790/flu-killing-more-people-than-covid-19.
So you are correct about the need to gather the facts. They are that influenza is a big killer. But we don't stop going to FKKs because we might catch it.
I do not say for one moment that continuing this hobby is without risks. It is. I respect that Covid is a big risk. But so is influenza and for many so are STIs. But we didn't historically avoid FKKs to avoid either.
I have massive concern and respect for the health of others. When I had the virus I completely isolated for 3 weeks (to make sure I didn't infect a single other person).
But the truth is that this virus is NOT going away. We are in the second wave. After many government panics around the world we will have more lockdowns. The numbers will drop. We will ease lockdowns and the numbers will swell into Wave 3, then 4 and so on. I am afraid we have to come to the final conclusion that life now includes a risk of dying from covid. As well as the more deadly influenza. Your doctor would tell you not to go to any FKK, not to go swimming, not to go to a gym, don't have a professional massage. They all carry risks of transmission of (various) infections (including but not limited to coronavirus).
Even when a vaccine comes it will not give 100% protection. https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/22/the-world-needs-covid-19-vaccines-it-may-also-be-overestimating-their-power/.
Which therefore brings you to this choice: don't ever go into an FKK again, or decide you will do so. You say you are "missing it". That implies you think that you'll be ok to go next year. You won't my friend. Nothing will have changed. The virus is not going to disappear. In the history of mankind, we have only ever totally eradicated one human virus / disease. Smallpox - and it took over 2000 years. https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox-is-the-only-human-disease-to-be-eradicated-heres-how-the-world-achieved-it.
So if you seriously think you will be going to FKKs in the next 10 years because Covid-19 has been eradicated, you are seriously mistaken. It will be a fact of life for the world in the years that every member of this forum has left.
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom in this respect but it is just a fact that we won't beat this in any of our lifetimes. We will get vaccines which help reduce. But not eradicate the risk.
So back to the choice. Give up on FKKs entirely or not. That IS a choice for each person not for others. For me, I've made the decision that I want to enjoy my life to the full, as much as I possibly can, for however long I have left. That includes taking in the risk of attending FKKS whilst they exist. Who knows? Maybe they will all close in the next 12 months because of government rules, or lack of attendance and money. If everyone follows your advice, and that of Expat lover, nobody will go and they will close for good. That will mean you are not "missing them" but will have to be happy just with your memories and no more.
This is another reason for me to decide to still attend. I don't know how long they can last at all. Whilst they do, I want to enjoy them.
Having started this response with a comment that this thread should NOT be used for expression of opinions about the virus, I apologise for such a long post on just that topic! If this is something folks want to debate it should be in the relevant FKK Coronavirus thread. In the meantime, I hope Artemis stays open, and I greatly look forward to reading reports of members who do decide to attend.
Stay safe, stay positive, but balance it all with enjoying however much life you have my friends. We cannot just all lock ourselves away forever. There is a risk of going on a plane, a bus, a train, driving, swimming in the sea, sunbathing, and going to gyms, shops and FKKs. I intend to do all of them for as long as I can!
You shifted the goalposts, at least as to the point made by other member, the same one I was commenting on. The criteria was violent crime, not acts of wars in select Muslim countries. And your Latin America thesis was blown to bits by myself and others. Maybe you'll make a go at that one as well.Nice try. You shifted the goalposts so I brought things back to perspective. For your information the following is my first post that started the discussion:
"Sex gives peace of mind while lack of sex makes men irritable, edgy and aggressive. Men who have regular sex want peace. Men with high testosterone and full balls who do not enjoy coitus initiate wars. Very religious countries where intimate physical interaction between men and women is disapproved of are the most warlike countries. ".
Remember that post? Try again.
EL can write what he wants and is very right to sound alarm. Otherwise people read thread think all "sort of" normal, with good experiences. Makes people miss good old days. Ninja miss them too.
But nothing is close to normal. It was more normal in June but has gotten much worse. Berlin going through very worrying period with very high "R" factor, and about 300 daily cases now 30 times higher than June average and is one of worst cities in Germany. And to say Corona like influenza, or that it kills more, either on fatality rate, total deaths per year, or rate of spread, or its other long term effects, simply not true. It not right time for FKK. Visit puts many others at risk. This is why argument "you decide on your life" is also wrong -you are also deciding for others, especially if you asymptomatic. Testing is only a little effective. City government debating much tighter regulations. Berlin has 3 indicator system with color code - this week R factor and rate per 100,000 went over "red" limits for first time together since May This big deal.
Say again, anyone thinking about FKK visit, make doctor test first. Explain exactly what you plan to do to private, describe inside situation with showers and rooms, number of men and girls, and ask private doctor if they think FKK visit ok. If you want to make decision, gather facts. Take politics out, take ISG views out. Just talk with doctor.I laugh at you scaremongers, you're more likely to die in a traffic accident in Berlin than of COVID-19. Less than 10 persons dies per week in Berlin. COVID-19 is only dangerous to a few, many of them have already died and the others are in quarantine so there's no chance that Artemis visitors will infect them. Stop the scaremongering.
People from historic Moldavia or Moldova does not like the partition of their historic country into 2 separate parts. Like the basques of Spain perhaps. Half is now a separate country, and half constitutes a third of what is now Romania.
The only thing the two parts of historic Moldova disagrees on is if they should be a country of their own, or a part of Romania since the language is in fact Romanian. A census done in the Romanian part shows they prefer to be a part of Romania (I bet because of EU). But a census in the country of Moldova shows they want their own independence (because no city likes to be ruled by another city in any country?
However, citizens of the country of Moldova can very easily get a Romanian passport if they want in a public office in Chisinau. Thus we get to see girls from both parts in FKK's.
I personally don't recall any girls from Craiova. Just the poster here on ISG.
But I may add Timisoara / Arad, Cluj Napoca, Brasov, Constanca, Iasi, Braila / Galati. I seem to have a high proportion of my top picks from Braila / Galati or Cluj (or on the north, maybe north east side of Cluj in smaller cities or towns there). Timisoara / Arad girls can seem more western, and some girls from there always lie about being Hungarian. But it seems to be less and less of them as Timisoara has a good economy. And some of the girls I have been with claim they have a mother from Iasi. I get a feeling there is this idea among Romanians that Iasi has the most beautiful girls. While others say Brasov perhaps due to Dracula or the culture there. But it seems Brasov has hot girls also. Like on I just was with last week. Exceptional girl.Wow, you know your Romanian geography well. You also seem to pay attention to what they say. I ask where they are from in a perfunctory way but tbh I have no interest and am already forgetting what they said before they finish their sentence LOL. I can only remember girls' names if I have been with them several times and even then I am just as likely to confuse and mix up their names and after this long hiatus my memory for names is worse than ever LOL.
Seriously you think some Romanian cities send prettier girls in larger numbers than others do to FKKs? That is the first time I heard that theory.
BrahmaPoutre
10-07-20, 17:30
I agree with PayforIt and thanks for your useful reports here.
I wonder why all this drama here about this virus. Only less than 1 or 2 % of people die with this virus.
Of course, if we visit FKK then we have to be careful with the others, I will never visit old friends and if I go out then I wear mask to protect the others. So where is the problem!? I met a lot of girls since July every weekend, in Switzerland and in hotels in NRW and I work at home and I do not expose any risks to anybody I meet, so why should I stop visiting FKK? And all the others are also well informed that they have to be careful if they decide to take risks in FKK or with girls, and even old people have to be careful and should not accept any risky visits, so where is the problem.
Nooky Ninja
10-07-20, 18:50
You are correct that we are all entitled to our views. But this is not the place for a debate about Covid. There is even a forum for it on ISG (which is sad in itself). So in the same way as it would not be right for me to now debate mongering in Thailand, or Dubai, or elsewhere in the Artemis thread, it is not appropriate for long sermons on the virus in the Artemis thread...Which therefore brings you to this choice: don't ever go into an FKK again, or decide you will do so. You say you are "missing it". That implies you think that you'll be ok to go next year...So back to the choice. Give up on FKKs entirely or not. That IS a choice for each person not for others. For me, I've made the decision that I want to enjoy my life to the full, as much as I possibly can, for however long I have left. That includes taking in the risk of attending FKKS whilst they exist. Who knows? This is another reason for me to decide to still attend. I don't know how long they can last at all. Whilst they do, I want to enjoy them...Having started this response with a comment that this thread should NOT be used for expression of opinions about the virus, I apologise for such a long post on just that topic!
Right. So no "sermons". But look at any "excess death" charts for many countries (over months not just one country over short summer month time), and you see Covid is much worse than influenza, and these excess projections still undercount. And you have no idea what is Ninja thinking -that "missing" means ok next year? Not even close. But biggest logical leap is one person only choose to live and be free for themselves. Nature of airborne pandemic: you are choosing for others, not just self. You may be immune but still spread it. Your "freedom" puts others at risk. Enough-will not explain concept of solidarity here.
People who read here and just see a few reports of fun in fucktown may miss big picture. Yesterday Berlin had almost 400 new cases-very big jump for us who live here and worry about many foreigners coming from high Covid countries or locals partying way too much because it is Berlin and they must be free to rave. Other German states now banning overnight stays for people coming from Berlin (including Westkreuz) -unclear how all to be enforced but seems if you come from certain Berlin districts, you now have to show test result to stay in other big German city. Situation is very fluid since yesterday. Wish we had different world, but "it is what it is". Things will tighten a lot more. Not going on and on about Covid ideas. Yes there is thread for this. Just that visitors must understand situation in Berlin. It is deteriorating. Last words, apart from ask doctor.
ExpatLover
10-07-20, 19:01
In life, you have several type of people, the one who always needs law, regulations, measures to act, as long the possibility exist I do, why you don't smoke 10 box every day, don t drink 5 bottles of whisky every day and so on, the same just follow their most basic instincts, I want to enjoy as long I am alive and such kind of stupidity, and than you have another kind of people who try to make their own opinion, to balance plus and minuses who will not listen the government without criticism, who will not do even it is allowed who have a sense of responsibility. Sorry if you are not happy, knowing what I know today I don t believe it is the right time for me to visit prostitutes for many reasons but the most important is that I don t want to be a spreader of covid.
Moldavia mean more often Iasie than Chisinau. I like when girls tell me they come from deep Romania, rather than all from Bucharest city or Constanza.You agree with Pistons that Girls from some specific cities like Iasi are prettier? Or do you prefer rural girls because they are less sophisticated and give better service than the ones from Bucharest? I admit I am not that good at observing such nuances.
There was that one girl a couple of years ago at Sharks who said she was Albanian but I found out she was Romanian after all. I should have been suspicious because she was chatting up with all the Romie girls LOL. Still she fooled me for a few days. Pretty girl, slim, dark hair, had a tattoo on shoulder back if I remember correctly. Good service.
I don't know why she needed to say she was Albanian rather than Romanian. Probably for the sake of those Mongers collecting wG nationalities. As far as I know, I haven't seen any bragging or pecking order that places Albania above Romania LOL.
BrahmaPoutre
10-07-20, 20:07
In life, you have several type of people, the one who always needs law, regulations, measures to act, as long the possibility exist I do, why you don't smoke 10 box every day, don t drink 5 bottles of whisky every day and so on, the same just follow their most basic instincts, I want to enjoy as long I am alive and such kind of stupidity, and than you have another kind of people who try to make their own opinion, to balance plus and minuses who will not listen the government without criticism, who will not do even it is allowed who have a sense of responsibility. Sorry if you are not happy, knowing what I know today I don t believe it is the right time for me to visit prostitutes for many reasons but the most important is that I don t want to be a spreader of covid.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2w9X_tHU7k
There was that one girl a couple of years ago at Sharks who said she was Albanian but I found out she was Romanian after all. I should have been suspicious because she was chatting up with all the Romie girls LOL. Still she fooled me for a few days. Pretty girl, slim, dark hair, had a tattoo on shoulder back if I remember correctly. Good service.
I don't know why she needed to say she was Albanian rather than Romanian. Probably for the sake of those Mongers collecting wG nationalities. As far as I know, I haven't seen any bragging or pecking order that places Albania above Romania LOL.Maybe you are referring to Anja with the Albanian eagle tat on her back? She was a crazy girl, but a lot of fun. Every time I think of her brings me a big smile.
I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.Well this made me lose interest in the conversation and some respect for the debater as this low-blow comment reflects poor emotional and ego control. Sad as you've actually consistently made some pretty fair and logical posts in the past.
Yes, I do know McA but have disagreed with numerous of his assertions on a regular basis. On the flip, I also know Pistons and disagree with at least 50% of the things that he spews out.
I have been as careful as anyone, distancing carefully, hardly going out and wfh and all that; even eschewing sugarbabes despite the fact that they are available in easy distance and it takes all my strength to control the temptation. However, I don't understand what comes from criticizing Mr. Pay For It. Surely, a man has a choice what he wants to with his life. He is incredibly polite and is not asking anyone to follow his lead. There are other people (QHammerAnon8 ChanTime) who feel entitled and qualified to lecture the whole board and tell us that we should all hug and give CPR to proven covid infected current patients and dump all the covid vaccines into Boston harbor but that has not been Mr. Pay For It. For god's sake, this man is the epitome of rationality and courtesy. Frankly I am amazed at his grace in answering these pointed barbs patiently. I am working on my meditative techniques so that I can achieve his level of equanimity but so far I have just reached the level of John McEnroe.
Muslim states are very religious countries. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc. You think these are peaceful countries? Well, go and live there.Qatar and UAE are Muslim and are peaceful countries with low crime. On the Global Peace Index, Qatar ranks 31st, so more peaceful than many countries we typically characterize as peaceful (Spain, France, Italy, UK). Malaysia, which is majority Muslim, is even more peaceful occupying the 16th position.
For many of the poorest countries, over-population is sabotaging economic development. When the average girl has seven children, then things like safety nets or economic opportunities do not exist, and young boys fall through the cracks. These are not favorable demographics and what sociologists call "youth bulge". The people having the most children are often the poorest. This is true even in many ethnic ghettos in rich, developed countries. And the poorest are often the most religious. https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx.
Vietnam was war-like in the 1970's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/444584/average-age-of-the-population-in-vietnam/.
Korea was war-like in the 1950's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/604689/median-age-of-the-population-in-south-korea/.
Maybe you are referring to Anja with the Albanian eagle tat on her back? She was a crazy girl, but a lot of fun. Every time I think of her brings me a big smile.Could well be. I'm terrible with names but the girl I had in mind was in Sharks 2015 to 18, as I remember. I vaguely recall seeing her in some other club also but my mind could be playing tricks. In addition to forgetting names I sometimes also can't accurately place them unless I am standing real close and the lights are bright. A small change in hairstyle and other things throws me off. Oh well, who said they are all the same in the sack LOL.
Seriously you think some Romanian cities send prettier girls in larger numbers than others do to FKKs? That is the first time I heard that theory.Only because you are from USA, you have this idea. In all of Europe, we know that genetics differs greatly from city to city, or from area to area. But USA is a young melting pot of people from all over. Capitals in European countries are more and more melting pots too of course. That is why I never pay attention to anyone saying they are from Bucharest for example.
Only because you are from USA, you have this idea. In all of Europe, we know that genetics differs greatly from city to city, or from area to area. But USA is a young melting pot of people from all over. Capitals in European countries are more and more melting pots too of course. That is why I never pay attention to anyone saying they are from Bucharest for example.Well, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your theory. If genetic pools are so distinct from city to city, town to town, it is plausible. I am not sure they are. Frankly, I can't even tell the difference between all of them by the country although we all know a vast majority are Romies these days. And the girls must feel that way also because they blatantly lie and claim to be from Italy or Spain or Greece or wherever. So, a Romanian girl feels that at least some guys believe she is equally likely to be from Spain or Italy or Romania based in her looks and demeanor and she thinks she can get away with the lie because guys will be unable to tell her true origin.
I am more curious if the rural girls give better service because "they are more pristine, less sophisticated or polluted by corruption" as Mr. Sirioja thinks. At the end of the day, looks are something you can observe with your eyes and it does not matter if Iasi girls are supposed to be prettier in case the Iasi girl standing in front of me does not appeal to my eyes and senses.
HammerTime96
10-08-20, 05:08
I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.It wouldn't surprise me that certain people block users with the "wrong" opinion, and create different usernames or people that "agree" with them. They like to live in their echo chamber where they only hear their own opinion.
It's the same trick the mainstream media does, it's called astroturfing.
So far I've posted many links to serious websites here (like the WHO, New York Times, BBC, Statista) about statistics and cases versus deaths, but all you hear from the "experts" like Mursenary is crickets. If something doesn't fit their narrative then the cry "fake news," put you on a "block list" and sticking their fingers in their ears, singing "lalalalalala."
What these people do on a hooker forum, and why they don't freak out about rimming, DFK and CIM as well is anyone's guess.
ExpatLover
10-08-20, 06:02
The only problem for Payforit, his behavior doesn't only involve himself but he can spread the virus. Just have a small look on the White House, well educated people, world class medical staff 24/24 7 days around and still 32+ infected. Do you really believe the risks are higher to get sick by visiting the WH than a FKK or any brothels? This is the world from today, my small egoistic pleasure is far more important than the community. The virus can survive 9 Hours on the human skin and still be active, for sure the skin of the prostitutes are not the same.
ExpatLover
10-08-20, 06:33
Genetic is not different from one city to another. I am quite sure that if I show you a girl from France, Italy, Spain, Rumania and Hungary you are not able to tell me where they are coming from. 10 years back in the FKK you had girls from Poland, Hungary, some from Italy but today the vast majority is from Rumania just because it is the poorest country with few job opportunities. Also the government was always weaker than in the other countries so less education. Even Hungary was also poor, being part of the Austro Hungarian empire for centuries make them having a far stronger government and administration. In the last 10 year under Vikor Orban the things have positively improved, full employment. So less girls in the FKK. Things are also improving in Rumania probably there will be less girls in the coming years which has already started in the last years by having almost always the same veteran around switching from one club to another or from escort in London or Zurich to FKK.
You agree with Pistons that Girls from some specific cities like Iasi are prettier? Or do you prefer rural girls because they are less sophisticated and give better service than the ones from Bucharest? I admit I am not that good at observing such nuances.I'm attracted by sophisticated natural looks with perfect body care, some girls telling me: You inspect me? I found some Moldavian Romanian have Slavian sweetness, when some Romanians are great for love in bed like at home, even few telling: too much love with you, I can't work after you. But only in clubs, I never answered when proposed about outside or visiting Romania, I'm not interested. Only for pleasure, not to find a GF. I buy dreams, not more.
One German monger reported on a German board that he got Coronavirus from a WG (not a FKK WG) he visited last Saturday. So still have to be careful if you don't want to get it.
Pessimist,
You quickly became one of the regular and very good posters on FKK threads:) I wish and think you would wish that you knew here 4 years ago when there were many more interesting characters and posters and the threads were much livelier and busier...
Nooky Ninja
10-08-20, 13:52
But look at any "excess death" charts for many countries (over months not just one country over short summer month time), and you see Covid is much worse than influenza, and these excess projections still undercount. Today, UK gov released formal statistics about influenza vs. Covid-19. Through end Aug. Covid deaths are triple those of influenza and pneumonia, and that surely undercounts it. See here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsduetocoronaviruscovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumoniaenglandandwales/deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020.
US influenza deaths around 40,000 per year; the Covid-19 count is now 211,000 and at 500-1000 per day, will likely exceed 300,000 by end of year - 7 times normal. Of course every country different.
MaxSquatter
10-08-20, 14:12
Artemis may be able to get away with staying open if they close the bar and the food at those time slots. What a ridiculous bunch on nonsense.
Always curious by the restrictions thought some of the people limit would apply too. But what will be interesting is people coming from Romania will now have to quarantine pending a negative coronavirus test, don't know how well that's enforced and if girls can quarantine at the club.
HammerTime96
10-08-20, 14:47
Today, UK gov released formal statistics about influenza vs. Covid-19. Through end Aug. Covid deaths are triple those of influenza and pneumonia, and that surely undercounts it."Undercounts?" Hahahaha! Please give us examples of how they are undercounting! LOL! Another brainwashed person who is scared into exaggerating the threat of SARS-COV2, and who is here scaremongering the rest of us! You want to see the end of FKKs: keep on doing what you're doing!
I'll give you some facts from established media about how the UK has been systematically overcounting;.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-uk-overestimates-coronavirus-death-toll.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-deaths-overcounting_uk_5f342168c5b6fc009a60a4f6?guccounter=1
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711
https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fworld%2fbritain-says-it-overcounted-coronavirus-death-toll-by-5377%2f2020%2f08%2f13%2ff6f171a6-dce0-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html
I have been as careful as anyone, distancing carefully, hardly going out and wfh and all that; even eschewing sugarbabes despite the fact that they are available in easy distance and it takes all my strength to control the temptation.............I believe I interacted with you on this before and you said you have a wife and family. Married men have an advantage in this age of covid.
Qatar and UAE are Muslim and are peaceful countries with low crime. On the Global Peace Index, Qatar ranks 31st, so more peaceful than many countries we typically characterize as peaceful (Spain, France, Italy, UK). Malaysia, which is majority Muslim, is even more peaceful occupying the 16th position.
For many of the poorest countries, over-population is sabotaging economic development. When the average girl has seven children, then things like safety nets or economic opportunities do not exist, and young boys fall through the cracks. These are not favorable demographics and what sociologists call "youth bulge". The people having the most children are often the poorest. This is true even in many ethnic ghettos in rich, developed countries. And the poorest are often the most religious. https://news.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx.
Vietnam was war-like in the 1970's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/444584/average-age-of-the-population-in-vietnam/.
Korea was war-like in the 1950's and peaceful now, let's look at their demographics over time: https://www.statista.com/statistics/604689/median-age-of-the-population-in-south-korea/.Poverty does play a role in crime within a country as deprived and hungry people will resort to violence to satisfy their needs. However, there are many poor countries that have a low crime rate so its generally a mix of factors. Extremely religious countries tend to be aggressive militarily. Sexually repressed peoples are prone to violence and are easily misled by exploitative leaders.
Alessandro527
10-08-20, 16:51
Artemis may be able to get away with staying open if they close the bar and the food at those time slots. What a ridiculous bunch on nonsense.Correct.
You can get the virus if you drink beer from the bar after 11 pm but there is no danger if you go to room with a girl and exchange your saliva, with whom she did already with 15 other guys before you!!
So nonsense and ridiculous indeed.
One German monger reported on a German board that he got Coronavirus from a WG (not a FKK WG) he visited last Saturday. So still have to be careful if you don't want to get it.
Pessimist,
You quickly became one of the regular and very good posters on FKK threads:) I wish and think you would wish that you knew here 4 years ago when there were many more interesting characters and posters and the threads were much livelier and busier...Hello Sir,
Thank you for those extremely kind words. Sounds like you had great discussions then. I think my own participation ticked up in the last 6 months as we are all forced to be home. Easy to keep one window opened into ISG on my PC, while I am working in other windows and screens.
Extremely religious countries tend to be aggressive militarily. Sexually repressed peoples are prone to violence and are easily misled by exploitative leaders.It's easy to assert and repeat something again and again. To back it up is something entirely different. All sorts of peoples have been duped by exploitive leaders. A number of very religious countries have been shown as not especially violent. Then you had the complete swing and a miss with Latin America which is often violent, but not especially religious beyond half-assed formalities, plus is far from sexually repressed ta boot. So why not just give up on the circle jerk? Amazes me how many mongers see a need to validate their practices among their peers when such is far from necessary. Just go have fun!
.......... Amazes me how many mongers see a need to validate their practices among their peers when such is far from necessary. ..............Look in the mirror.
Well, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with your theory. If genetic pools are so distinct from city to city, town to town, it is plausible. I am not sure they are. Frankly, I can't even tell the difference between all of them by the country although we all know a vast majority are Romies these days. And the girls must feel that way also because they blatantly lie and claim to be from Italy or Spain or Greece or wherever. So, a Romanian girl feels that at least some guys believe she is equally likely to be from Spain or Italy or Romania based in her looks and demeanor and she thinks she can get away with the lie because guys will be unable to tell her true origin.
I am more curious if the rural girls give better service because "they are more pristine, less sophisticated or polluted by corruption" as Mr. Sirioja thinks. At the end of the day, looks are something you can observe with your eyes and it does not matter if Iasi girls are supposed to be prettier in case the Iasi girl standing in front of me does not appeal to my eyes and senses.Interesting topic Pessimist! I would say the reason you have differences is to stand out. You go into a FKK with 30 girls, 'most' brown hair slim what's the difference between girl 7 and 23 if they BOTH say they are Romanian? But if one says she's from SPain you think. HMMMM different. Might try her. I have NO PROOF, but sometimes advertising just makes the same ol' stuff look better (NEW AND IMPROVED)?! Is it NEW or IMPROVED? HA.
As to rural vs urban, I think we have fantasies that have been shown in magazines for years that the farm girl is truly GND, not jaded. In the late 90's I spent a lot of time in South Africa. The 'farm girls' were supposedly the Mt Everest of experiences. They were always pitched as less polished, less jaded, more into just letting the sex drive them wild. I would see lots of girls tell guys they had just arrived from the outer regions (when I knew I had seen them a couple months before).
I go to an FKK not just to fuck a girl, but to buy (rent?) dreams.
Interesting topic Pessimist! I would say the reason you have differences is to stand out. You go into a FKK with 30 girls, 'most' brown hair slim what's the difference between girl 7 and 23 if they BOTH say they are Romanian? But if one says she's from SPain you think. HMMMM different. Might try her. I have NO PROOF, but sometimes advertising just makes the same ol' stuff look better (NEW AND IMPROVED)?! Is it NEW or IMPROVED? HA.
As to rural vs urban, I think we have fantasies that have been shown in magazines for years that the farm girl is truly GND, not jaded. In the late 90's I spent a lot of time in South Africa. The 'farm girls' were supposedly the Mt Everest of experiences. They were always pitched as less polished, less jaded, more into just letting the sex drive them wild. I would see lots of girls tell guys they had just arrived from the outer regions (when I knew I had seen them a couple months before).
I go to an FKK not just to fuck a girl, but to buy (rent?) dreams.Yes I get that; I can understand guys wanting variety. Heck, the reason I am wandering across the world like a fucking sex tourist is because home cooked meals are not always enough. But I looked for different tit shapes, faces, butt and body shapes, ways of speaking, shy v extrovert and other characteristics. Nationality is not a prime criterion for me nor does it to the variety. In any case, it is not verifiable as we all know.
With regards to the rural farm girls, I hope you got to do them in their home environments in SA. The thing with FKKs is that girls become wiser and get jaded very quickly. Even a relatively innocent rural girl learns the lay of the land in the club and in a few short months could become tough as nails. If you are lucky enough to catch the girl in her first week or two, you may have a great time. But as far as giving her the big O in the club because she happens to be a rural farm girl, that is a pipe dream in my view. First, I don't believe their fake O's. Some girls are expert enough to not only moan convincingly but also twitch their respective muscles in a believable way. I also don't think girls have too many real orgasms in these clubs after being fucked all day by so many guys and it really does not depend on whether she was from a rural or urban setting in the past.
But Mr. Sirioja claimed that rural Romies gave better service and I was curious what his reasoning or evidence was in making that claim.
ExpatLover
10-10-20, 07:21
Faking O, is a strong weapon to make the guys come back, the guys are proud to bring a girl to O even it is a prostitute. I don t care if the girl have a O or not, and I always ask the girl to stop playing the porn actress with me. I never pay to rim a prostitute, even she ask me I will refuse. I never kiss a prostitute even some of them tried to kiss me I just turned my head, they were surprised. I prostitute is a prostitute, only beauty matters, for the rest I can get it for free in the normal life.
ExpatLover
10-10-20, 07:28
Pessimist,
I was several time with girls in their family in Romania, sorry but they are coming from farmers family, in Europe farmers earn good money their daughters don't have to prostitute. All of them were living in middle size towns, in poor apartments build during soviet union time and bought at a very cheap price after the fall of the wall. Each time, despite the poor apartment most of them had a Mercedes, Audi, or BMW or at least a VW, those people are still under the big influence of advertisement.
ExpatLover
10-11-20, 20:30
What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid) I try to make my own opinion by listening to all kind of medical experts around the world and after that I try to do what I consider the best for me. I still believe it is not safe to visit bars, restaurants, public toilets, FKK, gym. I don't want to support all those industries, therefore I will not visit a prostitute or a FKK or a bar or a restaurant I can live without. It is not the most important in the difficult time we are facing in Europe.
What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid) I try to make my own opinion by listening to all kind of medical experts around the world and after that I try to do what I consider the best for me. I still believe it is not safe to visit bars, restaurants, public toilets, FKK, gym. I don't want to support all those industries, therefore I will not visit a prostitute or a FKK or a bar or a restaurant I can live without. It is not the most important in the difficult time we are facing in Europe.I think we learnt that since long time LOL!
ExpatLover
10-12-20, 07:20
For those who still believe that there is no risk, a Australian study just came out, saying that the virus can survive 25+ days on plastic or metallic surfaces (door handle, toilets, windows, tables.) and still being active. It is exactly what I was writing weeks back and it is why I am keeping strong social distancing.
Nooky Ninja
10-12-20, 15:00
What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid) I try to make my own opinion by listening to all kind of medical experts around the world and after that I try to do what I consider the best for me. I still believe it is not safe to visit bars, restaurants, public toilets, FKK, gym. I don't want to support all those industries, therefore I will not visit a prostitute or a FKK or a bar or a restaurant I can live without. It is not the most important in the difficult time we are facing in Europe.Admin moved some related comments to Covid thread. Ninja understand why but it is also important that this thread not only have views that all fine and fun. So EL comment welcome IMHO.
On current Berlin situation. Last week Berlin was near 500 new confirmed cases per day. Government now shutting restaurants and bars at 2300 hours. Artemis stays open without serving food or booze after 2300. But travelers should be aware Berlin now on both German internal quarantine lists, and several countries also like Switzerland. So if you travel from Berlin to example Munich you have to show recent negative test and still cannot stay over night in hotel if from Berlin. Other states allow travel but you must quarantine and show test result minimum of 5 days after arriving to stay.
All this varies from each German state. Happened last Thursday and many aspects still unclear and confusing. Governments can make big fines if not reporting correctly but not clear really how they can enforce all this. Still situation is serious and it changes every day. Some info here https://www.thelocal.de/20201006/why-are-there-so-many-differences-in-travel-restrictions-within-germany So those thinking about coming to Arts should factor this into planning. Not good situation and of course affects mood of all.
True, is kind of crazy. But still, I think it's amazing that the club can continue to operate normally. In my region the clubs never re-opened since March. People who govern Berlin seem to be really reasonable. Prostitution will happen anyway, it would just be illegal and much more unsafe. I hope nothing changes this week, because my trip to Berlin is already planned. Again, kind of crazy. But these are crazy times.I hope you get there and enjoy your trip. The messages of doom from Expat Lover and Nooky Ninja are not wrong, and these guys are entitled to their opinions and to stay well away to keep themselves and others safe. Those who decide to attend (if they are now still able) know they are taking risks. The girls know this too. Each person there is deciding to take a risk. It is also true that they are deciding to take a risk of infecting others if they get the virus, are asymptomatic and give it to others. But this is no more the risk than sitting close to someone in a cafe. They touch a surface, then you do and get it.
Truth is that this is going to be with us for a long time. SARS happened 20 years ago. There is no vaccine against it yet. We have to just get on with it and enjoy life to the full.
I hope Admin again moves these comments to the appropriate thread regarding FKKs and Coronavirus. If not, every thread on ISG will be dominated by C19 comments. I still don't really know why anyone NOT intending to go to an FKK until this is all over (possibly meaning for the rest of their lives) are continuing to visit forums for people who are intending to go. Entirely their prerogative of course, but a bit like deciding to go to an Italian restaurant even though you don't eat Italian food! Really quite odd!
I hope you get there and enjoy your trip. The messages of doom from Expat Lover and Nooky Ninja are not wrong, and these guys are entitled to their opinions and to stay well away to keep themselves and others safe. Those who decide to attend (if they are now still able) know they are taking risks. The girls know this too. Each person there is deciding to take a risk. It is also true that they are deciding to take a risk of infecting others if they get the virus, are asymptomatic and give it to others. But this is no more the risk than sitting close to someone in a cafe. They touch a surface, then you do and get it.
Truth is that this is going to be with us for a long time. SARS happened 20 years ago. There is no vaccine against it yet. We have to just get on with it and enjoy life to the full.
I hope Admin again moves these comments to the appropriate thread regarding FKKs and Coronavirus. If not, every thread on ISG will be dominated by C19 comments. I still don't really know why anyone NOT intending to go to an FKK until this is all over (possibly meaning for the rest of their lives) are continuing to visit forums for people who are intending to go. Entirely their prerogative of course, but a bit like deciding to go to an Italian restaurant even though you don't eat Italian food! Really quite odd!Yeah agree with you, it's odd. It's like someone commenting on a peanut review saying everyone should stop eating peanuts because he just found out he now has peanut allergy. Very odd.
Smoke Light
10-12-20, 20:13
For those who still believe that there is no risk, a Australian study just came out, saying that the virus can survive 25+ days on plastic or metallic surfaces (door handle, toilets, windows, tables.) and still being active. It is exactly what I was writing weeks back and it is why I am keeping strong social distancing.When girls are off from work for a day and I call to chat and I ask what are you doing? The answer is the same all the time: cleaning the house, cooking or watching tv. These creatures are women, the are designed to protect life and care about things. They don't engage much in anything outside the FKK or brothel. Social life, drinking and partying don't exist for them. They keep social distance, wear masks and follow the rules. My point, let them work! Don't take away their job from them, it's not going to stop, you only forcing P6 underground to benefit pimps and LE. Prostitution never stops being it a third world war or pandemic. Let them work, openly and safely, support their trade and efforts. Safety rules are fine, they follow them as much as they can. Closing a safe workplace for sex workers is the worst thing you can do, regardless of the reasons.
I am more curious if the rural girls give better service because "they are more pristine, less sophisticated or polluted by corruption" as Mr. Sirioja thinks. At the end of the day, looks are something you can observe with your eyes and it does not matter if Iasi girls are supposed to be prettier in case the Iasi girl standing in front of me does not appeal to my eyes and senses.And the simple answer to this is a resounding no!
We do not live in the 1980's. This is 2020. We have internet!
So don't be even more naive.
And the simple answer to this is a resounding no!
We do not live in the 1980's. This is 2020. We have internet!
So don't be even more naive.I never said rural girls give better services, but I always said most of Romanians don't really come from Bucharest city or Constanza or Cluj as they lie, but from deep Romania, many from Moldovian part around Iasie, and as I find lies are so boring in land of lies, I find much more attractive when a girl tells me she is from Buzau, Timisoara, Pitesti or Craiova than always same lies coming from capital. I always find little part of truth much more interesting and attractive than always same lies, reason why I m so interested by their orgasmus, but only when you can't touch them because they are too sensitive now, because truth from inside a woman. Of course no interest for fake porn moanings, I even stop when they play this. I was really happy when Daniela LR who needed to tell me about my ex, confirmed me what she had told me when she started, before learning to lie and losing interest for me. Beauty, elegance, charm and truth are rare in FKK land of lies, why they worth much more for me, when so many lies are so boring, like just emptying balls, when little spark is so much more enjoyable. But you just have to be able to experience.
HammerTime96
10-13-20, 15:11
As I said in reply to Turgid, health concern is only one aspect of it for me; many other things need to fall into place before I can visit these clubs. In the meanwhile, chatting with likeminded people keeps whetting my appetite. Not that I need that much whetting; as it is I feel like I am famished LOL.Keep on whetting your appetite, thanks to the scaremongers they will rather close the clubs, instead of reopening them.
What we learnt since mid of February is that many politicians are liars, taking wrong decisions even for themselves (trump, Johson, Trudeau. All got the covid).And how many of those politicians died? Fact is that they all recovered within roughly 10 days or even quicker, just like a normal flu. So what's your point? They: they "lied" because they got a flu virus? Are you suggesting it's possible to stay free of viruses and bacteria for your entire life? Well, here's a pro-tip for you: stay away from hookers, FKKs or even sex and kissing or DATY a girl in general if you're scared of bacteria, STDs, or viruses. Perhaps join a church and live life as a monk without sex, locked up in a monastery for the rest of your life? That way you'll stay free of germs, viruses and bacteria, but it probably won't be much fun, LOL!
Even German state-owned media ARD Extra is now saying that all the scaremongering about "cases" is incorrect and that people should come to their senses. Oh, and these are not journalists or politicians saying this (they keep on spreading lies about the "dangers of SARC CoV2), but these are medical professors and virologists trying to stop the madness.
German state-owned ARD Extra mini-documentary about Covid19, in German: https://youtu.be/NV7BWpvpK7o.
Of course the scaremongers won't react to this video because 1, it doesn't suit their narrative, 2 they can't counter it with facts, and 3 they block all users who back up a different opinion with hard facts and links to official website, like the WHO website about the ineffectiveness of wearing masks.
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/advice-on-the-use-of-masks-in-the-community-during-home-care-and-in-healthcare-settings-in-the-context-of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov) -outbreak.
Quote: "At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID- 19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. ".
"No direct evidence on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people," but the fools here keep on destroying the FKK business!
The WHO is also now reversing on the effectiveness of lockdowns, but all the dumb sheep will run after the politicians and "authorities" who are locking down everything again: https://twitter.com/spectator/status/1314573157827858434?s=20.
"Look what's happening to the tourism industry." "Lockdowns are making poor people a lot poorer."
The only point he was missing is "look what's happening to those poor Rumanian FKK girls!
If some people here are easily scared, fine, lock yourself into your home and wear 3 face masks in the supermarket, but stop everybody else from enjoying life!
HammerTime96
10-13-20, 15:35
This below was posted in the GT thread, but since it's relevant to all of Germany and all clubs, I'll answer here in this thread.
I have seen this "24 hour rule" floated around the various forums, but I never saw a link posted to news article or RKI website. Admittedly, I just scanned very quickly. Is the 24 hour guideline only applicable for transit through Germany? In other words, a guest worker driving from Belgium back to his home in Romania, which allows him to stay overnight at a hotel en route?So much bullshit written on this forum, mostly by people who blindly subscribe to the scaremongering view of the mainstream media, and are unable to think even one millimeter outside the box or consider other facts.
Here is the link (in English) from the RKI: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Anordnung_BMG_2020-09-29_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile.
I sort of remember previously there was a 72 hour rule, but I'd have to go back in the archives to find that, but I'm too busy now to delve into that. What's important and relevant is the latest information in the above link, and there is nothing written about 24 or 72 hours in there.
Here is an RKI list (pdf in English) of all countries affected: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_07102020_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile.
And here is the main page where the updated lists are published: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html.
You can avoid self-quarantine by providing a negative PCR test, not older than 48 hours: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Tests/Test_07102020_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile.
The main page for the above link is here, where you'll be able to find updates if anything changes: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Tests.html.
When the few clubs that managed to open will close again: thank the scaremongers here!
When girls are off from work for a day and I call to chat and I ask what are you doing? The answer is the same all the time: cleaning the house, cooking or watching tv. These creatures are women, the are designed to protect life and care about things. They don't engage much in anything outside the FKK or brothel. Social life, drinking and partying don't exist for them..Not expressing my opinion on the main thrust of your comment but don't you think the explanation for the first part of your comment is because most of those girls are Romanian, in a foreign country, don't have own car / may not know how to drive, live on prem in the club, may not have much social skills / friends outside the club? I suspect the German local girls would definitely have more life" as you put it. For that matter, many guys may not have much life besides work and home.
When you ask the Romie girls about their vacations, they light up. They do spend time on the beach, hit up the night spots in their home cities in Romania, whatnot.
So much bullshit written on this forum, mostly by people who blindly subscribe to the scaremongering view of the mainstream media,!Would you please stop whining. You are going against virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet. It's not just about "the media," far from it. We need to do some masks and social distancing for a while. A vaccine should be available to the general public around spring, summer next year. Jack off in the meantime. Also get a life outside of reading kooky websites and ranting here.
ExpatLover
10-13-20, 19:36
Always the same story when the reality doesn't fit what you want the reality does not exists. I am 60+ and I never saw such a terrific situation. Everyone knows that wearing a mask brings the people to be globally more careful. The situation that you describe for Germany is wrong, I am half German and I can tell you that the situation is deteriorating quickly there same in France and Spain. Britain is thinking about a new lock down. I have no solutions, I just believe that by restricting as much as possible all my social activities I protect myself and also the others.
It is stupid to underestimate the power of the covid by saying Trump got sick but after 10 days he is fit again, are you so sure about it? Do you believe you will can the same treatment? You have the right to play with your life but not with the life of the others, just imagine that after a FKK visit you infect one of your family member who needs to be hospitalized despite he / she is in good health and 42 YO, but unfortunately because of the behaviour of so many people who are not taking enough care, the hospital is fully booked, there is no bed free. May be you will change a little bit the way you think.
The politicians are so anxious just because they know that the medical capacities are limited and that very quickly the things can get out of control, the worst is to come concerning the covid at least in Europe.
Figures are more than 1 million deaths from covid. US have nearly as many as Western Europe. Nobody know for China. Much too many deaths, around 40 thousands, for my country, in my opinion, and even less than from cigaret or pollution. Now also grippe arriving.
HammerTime96
10-13-20, 19:44
Would you please stop whining. You are going against virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet. It's not just about "the media," far from it. We need to do some masks and social distancing for a while. A vaccine should be available to the general public around spring, summer next year. Jack off in the meantime. Also get a life outside of reading kooky websites and ranting here.If you're such a 'genius' then tell us what the mortality rate is! It's barely higher than the normal flu, 99% make a full recovery, and most people don't even realise that they are "positive" unless they take a test.
Would you please stop whining. You are going against virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet. It's not just about "the media," far from it. We need to do some masks and social distancing for a while. A vaccine should be available to the general public around spring, summer next year. Jack off in the meantime. Also get a life outside of reading kooky websites and ranting here.One girl told me this yesterday: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!"
ExpatLover
10-13-20, 20:44
EL: sorry but never in peace times the medical system from many developed countries, US, France, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain. Had to face such a dangerous situation, surgery acts for many patients with cancer, heart disease. Have to be postponed just because there are too many cases of covid 19, the situation is again getting critical in many places, the deaths toll is far higher only for the US they speak about 75000 more, all the politicians, doctors are not stupid they have 0 interest to make the situation worst than the reality. You should not only look about the deaths (already very high) but also about the people who recovered some needed months to be at 100% like before some never fully recovered.
For all those posters who keep looking just at the mortality rate of Covid-19, which is still much higher than that of the flu, you are failing to consider the long term, or even permanent, consequences of many that recover from this new infection. We also simply don't know what long-term effects the virus will have on pregnant women, on their fetus development, young people etc. So stop looking only at the mortality rate and start looking at the potential long-term damages, which will affect quality of life for many people.
One girl told me this yesterday: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!"To each his own. Girls are desperate for money and men are desperate for their pussy they know the risks. They live w / the consequences should something happen but some of the men I've seen in the clubs look like they can die any day anyways so let them do what they want. We'll see what new restrictions comes out tomorrow anyways.
JohnReter335
10-13-20, 22:07
To each his own. Girls are desperate for money and men are desperate for their pussy they know the risks. They live w / the consequences should something happen but some of the men I've seen in the clubs look like they can die any day anyways so let them do what they want. We'll see what new restrictions comes out tomorrow anyways.Hehe LOL xD you are right, everyone's know there risk in front of there reward.
7,818,322,117 Current World Population.
Covid 19 death = 1,089,038.
Average death age is with Covid 19 > 80.
One girl told me this yesterday: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!"She is not dead but others have died. So what's the takeaway if a guy says "I have been smoking from the age of 15; if this tobacco was so dead, I should have been dead by now!
P.S. Anyway, didn't you argue with me in Jan and Feb that every single Asian, regardless of whether he had Chinese passport or any other passport, regardless of whether the Asian was already inside DE, should not be let inside the clubs? Now, when there are thousand times more infections in DE and all over the world, your view is that we should ignore the virus and pretend it is nothing?
For all those posters who keep looking just at the mortality rate of Covid-19, which is still much higher than that of the flu, you are failing to consider the long term, or even permanent, consequences of many that recover from this new infection. We also simply don't know what long-term effects the virus will have on pregnant women, on their fetus development, young people etc. So stop looking only at the mortality rate and start looking at the potential long-term damages, which will affect quality of life for many people.I totally agree here. Can also add that reports suggest that people are getting micro scars in their lungs from this virus. And that due to this, each consecutive time you get infected and get ill from it, can make the repercussions to your lungs worse and worse. Even if you survive the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time around.
When it comes to vaccines, we should all consider what the Belgian doctors were saying: flu vaccines are pretty much useless! Because of the mutation rate. And they are not even effective at all with the 60+ generation! Pluss the dangers of serious side effects!
AstraZeneca vaccine side effect: myelitis (= no cock nerve contact).
Johnson & Johnson vaccine side effect: so terrible that they are hiding it from the public!
And this is just the start of a horror show of vaccine side effects that will ravage the world in years to come!
And who can we blame for this?
Well, the lab who made the virus was a cooperation lab between France and China. And funded by the US deep state. I will let the smart guys figure out the rest. Although I suspect the dumb guys will be the ones responding.
So stop looking only at the mortality rate and start looking at the potential long-term damages, which will affect quality of life for many people.I absolutely agree with this part. It's very similar to obesity (smoking or drug addictions) and it's potential long-term damages, which affects quality of life for many people.
Nooky Ninja
10-14-20, 09:02
It's like someone commenting on a peanut review saying everyone should stop eating peanuts because he just found out he now has peanut allergy. Very odd.Not odd if you live in Berlin. We very worried as daily new cases broke through 700 yesterday. Highest ever. Plus new internal German travel restrictions changing every day. We are not doom sayers we are data sayers. Forum seems now very skewed by quasi-libertarian science doubters. Fine, you can of course say what you want. All place individual risk taking and "freedom" judgement over any social cost. You are not just deciding for yourselves. Nature of pandemic. Important to state the consensus alternative, especially for those who plan trip to Berlin. We are full on in 2nd wave and situation is very fluid and uncertain. Numbers jumping much higher everywhere and wishing them away will not make it so. What is odd is how this become so political. People cannot politely disagree, occasional mask wearing set back human freedom, etc.
Why would e. g. Berlin city government (or Federal) really want to shoot economy for "no" reason. Because it will make them popular and get re-elected? Defies all logic. Same in Netherlands, UK, Switz, Austria, Spain, France. This is simply not time for FKK Travel.
Must say this to also protect Berlin. ICU beds starting to also get stressed in certain hospitals and these things have lag of 1-3 weeks. Ninja know several Berlin city gov. Staff who love FKK. Had long talks in Artemis about sector importance to economy, image of Berlin as free wild place, etc. They are freaking out now because they see what is coming.
Will hear usual complaints this but numbers everywhere are now so large that sex travel just unwise. You make own decision and of course just like in Russian roulette, you can get lucky. FKK will eventually bounce back, maybe next summer if vaccines work at scale. Hope so. Am done with this, last comment for months now. You all know what to do. Good luck, stay informed, stay safe, keep eye on Berlin city website and overall travel news. No idea where all this is going. Finis.
ExpatLover
10-14-20, 11:20
Today at 2 PM a important meeting in Berlin between Merkel and the regions, on the able the lock down of the FKK. In the most infected areas.
Not odd if you live in Berlin. We very worried as daily new cases broke through 700 yesterday. Highest ever. Plus new internal German travel restrictions changing every day. We are not doom sayers we are data sayers. Forum seems now very skewed by quasi-libertarian science doubters. Fine, you can of course say what you want. All place individual risk taking and "freedom" judgement over any social cost. You are not just deciding for yourselves. Nature of pandemic. Important to state the consensus alternative, especially for those who plan trip to Berlin. We are full on in 2nd wave and situation is very fluid and uncertain. Numbers jumping much higher everywhere and wishing them away will not make it so. What is odd is how this become so political. People cannot politely disagree, occasional mask wearing set back human freedom, etc.
Why would e. g. Berlin city government (or Federal) really want to shoot economy for "no" reason. Because it will make them popular and get re-elected? Defies all logic. Same in Netherlands, UK, Switz, Austria, Spain, France. This is simply not time for FKK Travel.
Must say this to also protect Berlin. ICU beds starting to also get stressed in certain hospitals and these things have lag of 1-3 weeks. Ninja know several Berlin city gov. Staff who love FKK. Had long talks in Artemis about sector importance to economy, image of Berlin as free wild place, etc. They are freaking out now because they see what is coming.
Will hear usual complaints this but numbers everywhere are now so large that sex travel just unwise. You make own decision and of course just like in Russian roulette, you can get lucky. FKK will eventually bounce back, maybe next summer if vaccines work at scale. Hope so. Am done with this, last comment for months now. You all know what to do. Good luck, stay informed, stay safe, keep eye on Berlin city website and overall travel news. No idea where all this is going. Finis.I hear your concerns about the virus, but why on a sex forum? Wouldn't a science or medical or health forum, or even a general forum like Facebook be a more appropriate place to discuss our virus concerns? I agree that there's some connections with a sex forum, eg specific information about which clubs are open / close during this pandemic or which girls are working now or not, etc etc specific information. But general discussions about the good / bad status of any city or country under the pandemic is still odd in a sex forum. In a sex forum though, I would love to read how my fellow mongers are getting their sex or sexual fetishes during this pandemic. For everything else, I would try to use relevant appropriate forums.
Not odd if you live in Berlin. We very worried as daily new cases broke through 700 yesterday. Highest ever. Plus new internal German travel restrictions changing every day. We are not doom sayers we are data sayers. Forum seems now very skewed by quasi-libertarian science doubters. Fine, you can of course say what you want. All place individual risk taking and "freedom" judgement over any social cost. You are not just deciding for yourselves. Nature of pandemic. Important to state the consensus alternative, especially for those who plan trip to Berlin. We are full on in 2nd wave and situation is very fluid and uncertain. Numbers jumping much higher everywhere and wishing them away will not make it so. What is odd is how this become so political. People cannot politely disagree, occasional mask wearing set back human freedom, etc.
I believe an increase in cases is expected because of seasonality and that is what we are seeing now. In most countries in Europe there hasn't been any excess mortality since June which then effectively is when the pandemic ended in Europe. Of course, with the level of testing now, there will be a sharp increase in number of cases but the relevant measurement should be number of deaths and number of Intensive Care cases compared to earlier years. I live in Sweden, we never had a lock-down, we don't use masks and we have accelerating under-mortality compared to the latest five years. Remember that one of the principal strategies for politicans is scare mongering because it gives them more power.
ExpatLover
10-14-20, 17:27
Oregon96 : The results of Sweden are not good at all, 10 M people, 6000 deaths, it is even worse than France and far from Germany good results. The politicians don't care about mongering it is so marginal in the global GDP.
I believe an increase in cases is expected because of seasonality and that is what we are seeing now. In most countries in Europe there hasn't been any excess mortality since June which then effectively is when the pandemic ended in Europe. Of course, with the level of testing now, there will be a sharp increase in number of cases but the relevant measurement should be number of deaths and number of Intensive Care cases compared to earlier years. I live in Sweden, we never had a lock-down, we don't use masks and we have accelerating under-mortality compared to the latest five years. Remember that one of the principal strategies for politicans is scare mongering because it gives them more power.Sweden has 11 times the per capita death rate with Covid as their neighbor Norway, thus needlessly sacrificing the lives of 5000+ of their citizens chasing herd immunity. There's also more at stake with Covid than life and death as many experience protracted symptoms and internal damage. And conspiracy theories trying to blame politicians and the media are of course a joke as this is a pandemic that has reached the entire world.
The pandemic is over in Europe? All I can do is suggest that you get your head out of your ass.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
Famous last words as the cold weather months approach.
Sweden has 11 times the per capita death rate with Covid as their neighbor Norway, thus needlessly sacrificing the lives of 5000+ of their citizens chasing herd immunity. There's also more at stake with Covid than life and death as many experience protracted symptoms and internal damage. And conspiracy theories trying to blame politicians and the media are of course a joke as this is a pandemic that has reached the entire world.
The pandemic is over in Europe? All I can do is suggest that you get your head out of your ass.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
Famous last words as the cold weather months approach.True, Sweden lost a lot of people early on in this pandemic, very likely older people with various underlying conditions and lower natural immunity. But, isn't Sweden's daily death rates (both 7 days and 3 days moving averages) are 0.1 or less per million residents for a while now (started declining in July), and it is pretty steady, whereas almost every other European countries are seeing increases (and many much higher than 0.1, even Germany is seeing double the death rates per million people now compared to Sweden) in that same daily deaths per million residents? What does that tell us about the long term strength or weakness of Sweden's Covid strategy?
Average death age is with Covid 19 > 80.Would like to know where you found this data. I have never been able to find anything to back up this claim.
You may have heard it. But sixsense is closed down and all other clubs as well in netherlands.
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.
HammerTime96
10-15-20, 11:27
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.1) How many people did you see in clubs without masks?
2) What did you do about it? Did you confront those people? Did you tell club management?
HammerTime96
10-15-20, 11:32
You may have heard it. But sixsense is closed down and all other clubs as well in netherlands.
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.I already predicted in July that any reopening of clubs brothels would be short-lived, and fools like yourself are now believing the hype that "we are part of this."
Well, I'm very much afraid that the authorities are deliberately setting prostitutes / customers / brothels up for permanent closures or totalitarian tracking apps on smartphones in case CV19 starts spreading again in autumn.
It will be easy to be point fingers at brothels, prostitutes, and their customers for not providing / checking contact data, or accepting / providing false contact data.
The end conclusion is simple and foreseeable as authorities will say: "you see, people can not be trusted, so now we need to shut down brothels and force everybody to install totalitarian CV19 tracking apps on phones to monitor everybody 24/7. "
There is already a lot of media hype about every new case of CV19, and the stage for a second wave (real or imagined) is set. Furthermore, for ideological reasons, any successful treatment of CV19 is deliberately blocked by most western governments and the WHO because this was endorsed by Trump. In my country, doctors who successfully treated many patients with hydroxychloroquine + vitamine see, the + zinc are being silenced by the health authorities and shamed in the media for being quacks.
Is it still open as normal, or are there restrictions in Berlin now?
Sweden has 11 times the per capita death rate with Covid as their neighbor Norway, thus needlessly sacrificing the lives of 5000+ of their citizens chasing herd immunity. There's also more at stake with Covid than life and death as many experience protracted symptoms and internal damage. And conspiracy theories trying to blame politicians and the media are of course a joke as this is a pandemic that has reached the entire world.
The pandemic is over in Europe? All I can do is suggest that you get your head out of your ass.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries.
Famous last words as the cold weather months approach.Fully understand people living in countries with constant scare mongering are afraid. I believe in science, which is clear that the situation in most of Europe is not worse than any of the latest five years. In respect of comparing Scandinavian countries, fully understand people believe they are very similar but in reality there are huge differences in population, health status, social structures, living locations, CV19 categorisation, earlier flu season fatalities, elderly care regulations, etc, all of which surely has contributed to the higher death rates in Sweden than say Norway. So not necessarily dependent on CV19 strategies. Sweden is really the only country with a science based CV19 strategy and fully in line with the WHO recommendations from Nov 2019.
Member #4733
10-15-20, 20:39
You may have heard it. But sixsense is closed down and all other clubs as well in netherlands.
We were part of this. Running around in sex clubs without masks on. Shame on you.I think you mean well but the closure has nothing to do with sex. The Dutch government would allow the wellness and the rooms to stay open. But it is the bar and restaurant that need to close down like all restaurants and bars in Holland. That is simply not a manageable situation. But in general you do have a good point. Closed areas with a lot of people with a lot of interaction are the perfect situation for super spreaders. So, just plain luck that no massive outbreak occurred in SS. What are the odds. SS just was lucky. My guess now is that the new measures will not improve the situation in Holland. The spreading started to increase dramatically in Amsterdam in July and has gone too far now. It won't be stopped without a total lockdown. Probably in two or four weeks. Lasting till Christmas. I hope I will be wrong but I was right the last few months.
Polyamorist
10-16-20, 04:35
For those who still believe that there is no risk, a Australian study just came out, saying that the virus can survive 25+ days on plastic or metallic surfaces (door handle, toilets, windows, tables.) and still being active. It is exactly what I was writing weeks back and it is why I am keeping strong social distancing.Salaam Expat. I am also following this policy, at least half way. Ever since the pandemic began I have taken care to maintain strict social distancing from people I don't like. Recently, in compliance with recommendations on mental health, I extended my policy to include Internet activity.
Door handles. If we had only done the sensible thing and stayed in the forests like the Amazonian Indians there would be no door handles. I'm starting to think civilization was a mistake. The evidence is piling up like an overflowing garbage tip, just teetering and teetering. We should have figured this out already in 2019 but hindsight is 2020.
As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
That includes also hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is found in especially high amounts in lime and citrus fruits. And evidence shows clearly that this has the best effect against covid-19. So if you get covid-19, just press one or two limes a day and drink it with a glass of water, and you should be good to go. Maybe even take half a lime a day already even if you don't have covid.
Just the share abundance of lime and citrus fruits are a good reason to why I am not worried at all when it comes to covid.
A much better solution than scary vaccines!
ExpatLover
10-16-20, 05:29
EL: it is because that so many people don't take seriously the covid that we are facing a big second wave in Europe with a lot of new terrible restrictions. I don t know which kind of information do you need to start to act. Internet is a tool to get informed and to act. I also don't like people who don't care about the others who just think about their little pleasure, who are acting like the covid does not exist, but what I dislike the most are married or man in fix relation visiting prostitutes without telling it to their partners.
ExpatLover
10-16-20, 05:43
Dear PayForIt,
FKK is not a normal business, the owners are not normal business men, recommend you to check a little who they are, which kind of activities they are controlling, how many times a lot of them have to deal with the police or had to go to court and were sentenced. Yes for the luckiest guys this stuff times will push them out of their sex addiction (fortunately took place for me in 2018) and after that you see the things from a very different point of view just because you are no more addicted and you don t try to find stupid excuses to justify your behaviour.
Salaam Expat. I am also following this policy, at least half way. Ever since the pandemic began I have taken care to maintain strict social distancing from people I don't like. Recently, in compliance with recommendations on mental health, I extended my policy to include Internet activity.
Door handles. If we had only done the sensible thing and stayed in the forests like the Amazonian Indians there would be no door handles. I'm starting to think civilization was a mistake. The evidence is piling up like an overflowing garbage tip, just teetering and teetering. We should have figured this out already in 2019 but hindsight is 2020.Imma follow your steps Poly. One girl told me this few days ago: "I've been working in a grocery store since day one of this crap. If this virus is so deadly, I should have been dead by now!" Given my handling of public door handles, windows, tables and using public toilets in last 6 months in FKKs, bars and clubs, how come I'm not dead yet? Or maybe I'm actually dead but this is just my 2019 persona writing in 2020? I'm also trying to find how many FKK girls died from this virus so far (RIP their souls, it's sad), given such a high percentage of deaths reported by all the reputed news media.
1) How many people did you see in clubs without masks?
2) What did you do about it? Did you confront those people? Did you tell club management?I was in a few clubs (in Austria). Everyone had masks on. All the time.
Door handles. If we had only done the sensible thing and stayed in the forests like the Amazonian Indians there would be no door handles. I'm starting to think civilization was a mistake. The evidence is piling up like an overflowing garbage tip, just teetering and teetering. We should have figured this out already in 2019 but hindsight is 2020.In addition, primitive tropical tribes were living in a constant FKK environment! LOL.
I think you mean well but the closure has nothing to do with sex. The Dutch government would allow the wellness and the rooms to stay open. But it is the bar and restaurant that need to close down like all restaurants and bars in Holland. That is simply not a manageable situation. But in general you do have a good point. Closed areas with a lot of people with a lot of interaction are the perfect situation for super spreaders. So, just plain luck that no massive outbreak occurred in SS. What are the odds. SS just was lucky. My guess now is that the new measures will not improve the situation in Holland. The spreading started to increase dramatically in Amsterdam in July and has gone too far now. It won't be stopped without a total lockdown. Probably in two or four weeks. Lasting till Christmas. I hope I will be wrong but I was right the last few months.I really admire the authorities in Europe with the opening of sex establishments. If they were backward they could have used this pandemic to completely shut down the brothels and FKKs for all time. However, they are civilized and are aware of the need for sex relief so allowed sex clubs to reopen even though covid 19 was not eliminated. This augurs well for the future of our hobby and the well being of men and women in such countries as the Netherlands, Germany, Austria and Switzerland.
I was in a few clubs (in Austria). Everyone had masks on. All the time.No mask on July and August in Austria: at GT and Wellcum. No mask in Switzerland until yesterday. No mask when sitting and chatting with girls in Germany.
No mask on July and August in Austria: at GT and Wellcum. No mask in Switzerland until yesterday. No mask when sitting and chatting with girls in Germany.Yes, my bad. We could take them off while sitting.
HammerTime96
10-16-20, 21:51
New revelations on Covid death count: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0y6M-N8wOE.
Polyamorist
10-16-20, 21:56
As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
So very true. The plants were the original chemists. Animals used motion to flee danger and reproduce, but plants didn't have that: all they had was chemistry and that was how they survived. When animals arrived on the scene, plants used them to spread their seed, and co-evolved with them / us over millions of years. But in modern industrial civilization we are increasingly cut off from our botanical mentors and trillions of dollars are spent suppressing simple weeds -- part of it, as you suggest, is so that pharmaceutical companies can have their patents.
Even more greatly ignored: the fungi. They are a separate Kingdom, preceding the plants and the animals. It was they who helped the plants crawl out of the seas and onto land. Today the fungi form an immense hidden network underground sharing nutrients and providing them to the forests above: the Internet of Nature. And they have even more to teach us humans directly, as shown in many clinical trials -- the ones that weren't suppressed by the powers-that-be.
But if all the flora and fauna of the world were destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, the mushrooms would get to work rebuilding everything. Sure, at a superficial level it would set things back a few hundred million years; but a lot would have been learnt in the process. Next time: no Trump, no Coronavirus, no CBJs, none of that.
"The garden of the world has no limits, except in your mind. " -- Jalāl ad-Din Muhammad Rumī
So very true. The plants were the original chemists. Animals used motion to flee danger and reproduce, but plants didn't have that: all they had was chemistry and that was how they survived. When animals arrived on the scene, plants used them to spread their seed, and co-evolved with them / us over millions of years. But in modern industrial civilization we are increasingly cut off from our botanical mentors and trillions of dollars are spent suppressing simple weeds -- part of it, as you suggest, is so that pharmaceutical companies can have their patents.
Even more greatly ignored: the fungi. They are a separate Kingdom, preceding the plants and the animals. It was they who helped the plants crawl out of the seas and onto land. Today the fungi form an immense hidden network underground sharing nutrients and providing them to the forests above: the Internet of Nature. And they have even more to teach us humans directly, as shown in many clinical trials -- the ones that weren't suppressed by the powers-that-be.
But if all the flora and fauna of the world were destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, the mushrooms would get to work rebuilding everything. Sure, at a superficial level it would set things back a few hundred million years; but a lot would have been learnt in the process. Next time: no Trump, no Coronavirus, no CBJs, none of that.
"The garden of the world has no limits, except in your mind. " -- Jalāl ad-Din Muhammad RumīAs long as I don't have to deal with CBJs and fuck a condom in that new world, I am down.
Dear PayForIt,
this stuff times will push them out of their sex addiction (fortunately took place for me in 2018)For a guy who has kicked his sex addiction 2 years ago you appear in these forums a lot. Forums where guys (you claim who are all addicted) discuss sexual exploits and opportunities. You have over 3000 posts. That is a lot of time spent on sex / mongering forums for someone who has kicked an addition. I hope for your sake if you have kicked it you are happy.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.Unless you're a washing machine for the underworld. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/hells-angels-brothel-raided-by-900-officers-say-german-police.
For a guy who has kicked his sex addiction 2 years ago you appear in these forums a lot. Forums where guys (you claim who are all addicted) discuss sexual exploits and opportunities. You have over 3000 posts. That is a lot of time spent on sex / mongering forums for someone who has kicked an addition. I hope for your sake if you have kicked it you are happy.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.Sound more like frustration than to really switch off, then would be no need to write many posts daily, always about better not to go.
Yes, my bad. We could take them off while sitting.No mask at all on my 6 Austrian visits on this Summer and no mask on my many visits in Switzerland. I wonder how will be Globe now with mask. I will go only for my German orgasmic machine beauty.
For a guy who has kicked his sex addiction 2 years ago you appear in these forums a lot. Forums where guys (you claim who are all addicted) discuss sexual exploits and opportunities. You have over 3000 posts. That is a lot of time spent on sex / mongering forums for someone who has kicked an addition. I hope for your sake if you have kicked it you are happy.
I have no idea who owns these clubs. But I know that basic economics does not pass anyone by. When overheads far exceed income and customers, that business ain't going to last long.With in legal frame, I am addicted to sex, I always will be addicted to sex!
But one thing for real is that I lived among the best sex life in the world from the standpoint of beauty level of the stunner girls I had sex with and I am proud and grateful for my addiction to sex with young stunner beauties and my willingness to make all this come true into reality!
Nooky Ninja
10-17-20, 08:41
Unless you're a washing machine for the underworld. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/hells-angels-brothel-raided-by-900-officers-say-german-police.This article, and raid itself, was complete nonsense. Was thrown out by German courts and led to 0 convictions, all concerned were released and whole thing disturbing use of state power. Was discussed a lot in thread over past few years. Situation more complex at other clubs but anyone who knows Berlin and A can confirm. It is fact. As are new daily cases breaching 600-700 per day in Berlin this week. Court overturned (but on appeal) ban on closing restaurants at 2300. Will not change things at Artms. For the moment. Travelers must stay informed as all very fluid. Suggest we all move off personal attacks.
ExpatLover
10-17-20, 09:52
EL: Yes very good idea, if 1 day you will catch the covid may be you will start to think it it is nit too late.
HammerTime96
10-17-20, 10:01
A new study, published on the WHO website and written by one of the world's leading epidemiologists, Paul Ioannidis:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
Page 7: "The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0. 27% (corrected 0.23%".
Page 7: "For people 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0. 05% the corrected values were similar."
In other words, for an average 99,77% (and even 99,95% if under 70) of the population, this "deadly" virus will not lead to death.
So this is what we are shutting down the economy for? This is why FKK clubs are closed? This is why we are surrendering our civil liberties?
This isn't just "fake news. " This comes from the WHO, just like the WHO link about the lack of effectiveness of masks that I posted a few weeks ago.
Paul Ioannidis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ioannidis.
More facts that the usual scaremongers on this forum who put me on the ignore-list can chose to ignore. The silence and ignorance to new facts and studies here is deafening, but I guess most people (especially men) are ashamed to admit that they have been scared without reason and have been fooled.
You think FKK clubs or the economy as a whole can financially survive another 3-6 months (until next spring) if a new closure order comes from the government? Keep on ignoring me, and soon FKKs will be closed forever, and even if they reopen, the economy and pension system will be so devastated after new lockdowns that you won't be able to afford traveling for Germany anymore.
Alessandro527
10-17-20, 10:30
This article, and raid itself, was complete nonsense. Was thrown out by German courts and led to 0 convictions, all concerned were released and whole thing disturbing use of state power. Was discussed a lot in thread over past few years. Situation more complex at other clubs but anyone who knows Berlin and A can confirm. It is fact. As are new daily cases breaching 600-700 per day in Berlin this week. Court overturned (but on appeal) ban on closing restaurants at 2300. Will not change things at Artms. For the moment. Travelers must stay informed as all very fluid. Suggest we all move off personal attacks.Tax evasion and FKK clubs go together. Where is the surprise? Can't you see that they don't have electronic cash register on entry? Even Artemis accepted card payments only after it was raided.
Suggest we all move off personal attacks.Lest it be considered otherwise. I had no intention of "attacking" EL when he comments about beating his sex addiction. I think you'll find I said I'm happy for him. But I expressed an opinion that it is therefore odd that he makes so many contributions to sex forums. This is not an attack. It is an expression of opinion tantamount to a query that he may wish to consider if he has really beaten the addiction. Maybe he is able not to frequent prostitutes but just likes reading about them. Bit like Pessimist saying he likes reading the thoughts of like minded people. What was my response - "fair comment". A long way from any attacks.
Stay safe, keep well. Good wishes to all.
As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
That includes also hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is found in especially high amounts in lime and citrus fruits. And evidence shows clearly that this has the best effect against covid-19. So if you get covid-19, just press one or two limes a day and drink it with a glass of water, and you should be good to go. Maybe even take half a lime a day already even if you don't have covid.
Just the share abundance of lime and citrus fruits are a good reason to why I am not worried at all when it comes to covid.
A much better solution than scary vaccines!Apparently it needs to be mixed with something else. Hydroxychloroquine itself is not enough. But I am sure you can find the other ingredients in nature as well if you look well enough! And try to rid yourself of the medical establishment draconic narcissistic propaganda.
As mentioned before on this forum, all medicines are basically stolen from nature. Repackaged and tried to be sold for a premium!
That includes also hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is found in especially high amounts in lime and citrus fruits. And evidence shows clearly that this has the best effect against covid-19. So if you get covid-19, just press one or two limes a day and drink it with a glass of water, and you should be good to go. Maybe even take half a lime a day already even if you don't have covid.
Just the share abundance of lime and citrus fruits are a good reason to why I am not worried at all when it comes to covid.
A much better solution than scary vaccines!Tell me again how paracetamol was made?
What plant naturally forms ethyl ether, the original inhalation general anesthetic used for surgery? Or halothane, the precursor to modern anesthesia.
And by repackaged, I guess you mean using principles of organic and biochemistry to alter a molecule to remove toxic properties found in nature in order to harvest the therapeutic properties. No big deal, medicine is stupid. Let's revert back to pre vaccine days when we die at 30 from polio and smallpox.
HammerTime96
10-17-20, 14:11
Lest it be considered otherwise. I had no intention of "attacking" EL when he comments about beating his sex addiction. I think you'll find I said I'm happy for him. But I expressed an opinion that it is therefore odd that he makes so many contributions to sex forums. This is not an attack. It is an expression of opinion tantamount to a query that he may wish to consider if he has really beaten the addiction. Maybe he is able not to frequent prostitutes but just likes reading about them. Bit like Pessimist saying he likes reading the thoughts of like minded people. What was my response - "fair comment". A long way from any attacks.
Stay safe, keep well. Good wishes to all.Welcome to the Totalitarian Snowflake World where any form of disagreement is a 'personal attack,' and where people put other users on the ignore-list when they say something or think different.
Nooky Ninja
10-17-20, 15:06
It is an expression of opinion tantamount to a query that he may wish to consider if he has really beaten the addiction. Maybe he is able not to frequent prostitutes but just likes reading about them.Point is all this very wide of mark re situation in Artemis and Berlin which is purpose of thread.
Point is all this very wide of mark re situation in Artemis and Berlin which is purpose of thread.PayForIt didn't raise that topic he merely responded to someone else's post.
This article, and raid itself, was complete nonsense. Was thrown out by German courts and led to 0 convictions, all concerned were released and whole thing disturbing use of state power. Was discussed a lot in thread over past few years. Situation more complex at other clubs but anyone who knows Berlin and A can confirm. It is fact. As are new daily cases breaching 600-700 per day in Berlin this week. Court overturned (but on appeal) ban on closing restaurants at 2300. Will not change things at Artms. For the moment. Travelers must stay informed as all very fluid. Suggest we all move off personal attacks.That was meant to be example of where basic economics doesn't apply. Maybe you should educate yourself about the Hells Angels.
A new study, published on the WHO website and written by one of the world's leading epidemiologists, Paul Ioannidis:
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
Page 7: "The median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0. 27% (corrected 0.23%".
Page 7: "For people 70 years old, the infection fatality rate of COVId-19 across 40 locations with available data ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% (median 0. 05% the corrected values were similar."
In other words, for an average 99,77% (and even 99,95% if under 70) of the population, this "deadly" virus will not lead to death.
So this is what we are shutting down the economy for? This is why FKK clubs are closed? This is why we are surrendering our civil liberties?
This isn't just "fake news. " This comes from the WHO, just like the W.For the tenth time there's more at stake with Covid than life and death. There's plenty of evidence to that effect, for any honest person that knows how to use Google. And 215,000+ Americans have died from Covid in nine months, approaching eight times that of a normal flu season. So, we want to social distance (6 ft) and wear masks when such is difficult or impossible. There's also plenty of evidence that masks help a lot, both from controlled laboratory stories and from the successes of many countries, especially Asian ones that diligently implemented these strategies. Not to mention that we do not want our hospital systems overwhelmed again, so we must stay the course for a bit longer until a vaccine is widely available. Until then you can either jack off or go with girls willing to take chances. Crying day after day in a monger forum isn't going to change that. And you aren't worth blocking. If I read something silly I may or may not respond, depends on how much time I have on my hands. And yes, the Fox News crowd is growing more and more desperate by the day, so there's a whole lot of silliness in internet forums these days.
https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/efficacy-facemasks-coronavirus.php
"Chicago (WLS) -- A COVID-19 study conducted by Northwestern Medicine shows 82 percent of patients hospitalized with coronavirus experience neurological symptoms during the course of the disease.
The study looked at 509 COVID-19 patients at Northwestern Medicine hospitals in the Chicago area.
The most frequent neurological symptoms were muscle pain, headaches, and encephalopathy or altered brain functions, which range from mild confusion to being in a coma.
'This is the first study of its kind in the United States,' says Igor Koralnik, MD, chief of neuro-infectious diseases and global neurology in the Ken & Ruth Davee Department of Neurology at Northwestern Medicine, who also oversees the Neuro COVID-19 Clinic at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. 'There are only two other published papers describing the prevalence of neurological manifestations in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China and Europe. Our research group spent the summer performing chart reviews on the first 509 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 within the Northwestern Medicine health system, and our findings show neurological manifestations are very common in these patients.'
The study also shows more than two thirds of the patients who experienced altered brain function were unable to take care of themselves in the days after being discharged from the hospital.
'We are now looking to characterize the long-term neurologic effects of COVID-19 and the cognitive outcomes in patients with COVID-19-associated encephalopathy," says Dr. Koralnik. "We're studying this in patients who are discharged from the hospital, as well as in COVID-19 'long-haulers,' who have never been hospitalized but also suffer from a similar range of neurological problems, including brain fog.'
https://abc7chicago.com/covid-19-sym...virus/6785487/
EL: Yes very good idea, if 1 day you will catch the covid may be you will start to think it it is nit too late.When my Globe charming beauty is off, the only girl to drive to at the moment for me, so today, I made a real test about covid, after visiting Switzerland, Austria and Germany since 4 months, climbing legendary Mont Ventoux from Malaucene, topless up to chalet Liotard at 1450 m high and 5 degrees, putting on something up to top, but then losing performance, maybe also because stressed on wet with few ice road. If I m still alive, tomorrow again from Bedoin through forest, and I dream of col Agnel 2744 m high where snow, but still open. My good tests about covid, being topless under 5 degrees, when unfortunately, legendary Galibier and Bonette are closed.
Is Berlin being locked down now or?
For those that have been to the clubs, have you noticed any additi o names cleaning? Are they running into the rooms when people leave, wiping down all surfaces with disinfecting cloths, are they misting with electrostatic misters? Etc.
For those that have been to the clubs, have you noticed any additi o names cleaning? Are they running into the rooms when people leave, wiping down all surfaces with disinfecting cloths, are they misting with electrostatic misters? Etc.
HammerTime96
10-18-20, 07:51
For the tenth time there's more at stake with Covid than life and death. There's plenty of evidence to that effect, for any honest person that knows how to use Google. And 215,000+ Americans have died from Covid in nine months, approaching eight times that of a normal flu season.Do you blindly believe all the scary headlines in the mainstream media, then what are you doing on a P6 forum? What are you doing in FKK clubs? You believe the mainstream feminist propaganda about how "all prostitutes are victims" as well? Or are you picking your favourite "scary headlines" while ignoring the rest?
For the millionth time, those "deaths" are massively over-counted. Look beyond the mainstream "panic" headlines.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-uk-overestimates-coronavirus-death-toll.html
https://theconversation.com/died-from-or-died-with-covid-19-we-need-a-transparent-approach-to-counting-coronavirus-deaths-145438
Even some idiot who wrapped his motorbike around a tree and tested "positive" in the autopsy afterwards, was marked as a "Covid19 death" in Florida. We only know about it because that guy Dr. Raul Pino in the video fucked up and said something he wasn't supposed to say at 0:50.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvOdlE985vw
https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report
Belgium is also massively over-counting it's Covid19 deaths: https://www.dw.com/en/belgiums-coronavirus-overcounting-controversy/a-53660975.
Despite mandatory masks almost everywhere, "cases" are still rising: https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/facemask/.
I live in Belgium and everybody obeys the rules about mask wearing. Every shop, business or building I go into, people are wearing masks, and yet "cases" still climb: https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/news/.
What does that tell you about wearing masks? Maybe you should wear 3 masks at the same time! Or 4?! Or buy one of those military gas masks?! And also buy some earplugs and a blindfold, because people are stupid and want to be brainwashed! LOL!
Oh yes, and regarding all those "positive tests," have a listen to the inventor of the PCR himself, about "diagnosing" viruses or even sickness using his PCR test: Covid19: https://www.bitchute.com/video/u7Jznw9jJ9Nf/.
"And with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything in anybody."
Even some dead piece of virus can make you test "positive" for SARC-CoV2, even though your immune system has effectively combated it and you had no symptoms.
HammerTime96
10-18-20, 08:05
For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8
Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.
An interesting article today in London's The Sunday Times newspaper.
The UK's Deputy Chief Medical officer is optimistic that the Oxford / Astra Zeneca vaccine will be available to commence vaccinate for the "vulnerable & old people" in the UK in January.
Updated reports on the third & final stage of the trial are expected at the end of this month & next.
So it could be the beginning of the end.
Just wanted to share a bit of good news to you all and maybe like me give hope to the probability of ALL FKK Clubs opening next year sometime.
ExpatLover
10-18-20, 18:35
For those who still believe the virus is only dangerous for the old and sick people.
"Dmitriy Stuzhuk, a 33-year-old fitness coach with three children, caught the virus during a trip to Turkey. The man did not believe in the existence of the coronavirus, he articulated it several times, until he, too, experienced up close the effects of the virus on the human body", he was a well know influencer and died from Covid.
I realize DonTrump and HammerHammer want to reopen everything like yesterday and that we should all hig and blow into each other's mouth, but it seems Europe is going in the other direction. See the snippet from FT below. I wonder how long will they keep these clubs open? I guess the ones like Mr PFI that made the most of the few weeks of open clubs are the smart and lucky ones.
https://www.ft.com/content/700355e2-362c-4f9f-a24e-ddc9f6ea9cb0
""Europe's economy is sliding towards a double-dip recession, with economists warning that rising coronavirus infections and fresh government restrictions on people's movement are likely to cut short the region's recent recovery.
Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have all announced measures in the past week to contain the second wave of Covid-19 infections, with more expected in the coming days.
On Sunday, Belgium announced the closure of all bars and cafιs for four weeks, while Switzerland widened its mandate for mask-wearing. France put into effect a night curfew in Paris and other cities from Saturday.
The measures follow a sharp rise in case numbers, with a number of European countries reporting record new daily infection figures over the weekend.
"I can't believe how fast the second wave has hit," said Katharina Utermφhl, senior economist at Allianz. "We now see growth turning negative in several countries in the fourth quarter another recession is absolutely possible. ".
A recent FT analysis of Google community mobile data found that after rising for months, footfall in cafιs, restaurants, retail and leisure venues started in early October to decline again in many European cities, including Paris, London, Amsterdam, Berlin and Madrid. ".
For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8
Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.I don't like humour, didn t even read, when more than 1 million deaths and much too many in my country, even tested for second day my lungs and heart, and wish to return, when couldn't climb above chalet Raynard because car race on closed road with some Ferrari, Porsche 911 GT3's, Lamborghini, Nissan GTR, Corvette, Camaro, some Lotus with 1 real race car, RS8 V10. What the fuck, couldn t climb 6 last kilometers after the forest which is the most climby and when road was closed, they drove on right line turning in curves, didn t even see one going straight in curves and they even braked when climbing, when driving cars with more than 600 power, few with more than 700 , and breaking in climbing opened curves.
HammerTime96
10-18-20, 20:16
For those who still believe the virus is only dangerous for the old and sick people.
"Dmitriy Stuzhuk, a 33-year-old fitness coach with three children, caught the virus during a trip to Turkey. The man did not believe in the existence of the coronavirus, he articulated it several times, until he, too, experienced up close the effects of the virus on the human body", he was a well know influencer and died from Covid.Congratulations! 7 billion people in the world, and you find one person of 33 who died. Next time, please post a link so people can verify your claims.
Let's look at some facts;.
https://www.health.gov.au/resources/covid-19-deaths-by-age-group-and-sex
"Deaths have been reported in those aged in their 30's to their 100's. The majority of deaths have been reported in people aged 70 years and over. " You need a magnifying glass to see the number in the 30-39 age group on that chart.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex.
Have a look at the 25-34 age group, and compare that to that of people 65 years old. Again: crystal clear that SARC CoV2 (just like the regular flu) affects older people much more.
Same for Germany: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1104173/umfrage/todesfaelle-aufgrund-des-coronavirus-in-deutschland-nach-geschlecht/.
Again, look at the charts and look at the numbers. In 2020, eighteen people died of Covid 19 in Germany. And were these healthy people? And were these people with severe obesity, hearth problems, immune system problems, or other serious health issues?
"Der Altersmedian der Sterbefδlle lag bei 82 Jahren. " Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!
I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.
For those who still believe the virus is only dangerous for the old and sick people.
"Dmitriy Stuzhuk, a 33-year-old fitness coach with three children, caught the virus during a trip to Turkey. The man did not believe in the existence of the coronavirus, he articulated it several times, until he, too, experienced up close the effects of the virus on the human body", he was a well know influencer and died from Covid.
Congratulations! 7 billion people in the world, and you find one person of 33 who died. Next time, please post a link so people can verify your claims.Was not too difficult to Google: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/dmitriy-stuzhuk-death-coronavirus-fitness-influencer-ukraine-sofia-b1130533.html.
His widow's Instagram. She has 5 million followers: https://www.instagram.com/sofia_stuzhuk.
This 33 yo had 1 million followers. Three beautiful kids and a wife.
Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!
I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.If people only look for the data they will get this conclusion (( Covid 19 is not scary as it thought to be back in March when lacking data)) BUT I think many don't understand these data and dont compare them to other risks in life! because The News only focusing on Covid 19 and thats make a huge impact on most people, that's sucks and I hope it ends very soon.
Bradford Boy
10-19-20, 00:25
If people only look for the data they will get this conclusion (( Covid 19 is not scary as it thought to be back in March when lacking data)) BUT I think many don't understand these data and dont compare them to other risks in life! because The News only focusing on Covid 19 and thats make a huge impact on most people, that's sucks and I hope it ends very soon.In other news from turkey:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8852535/Ukrainian-fitness-Instagram-influencer-33-thought-Covid-didnt-exist-dies-coronavirus.html
I realize DonTrump and HammerHammer want to reopen everything like yesterday and that we should all hig and blow into each other's mouth, but it seems Europe is going in the other direction. See the snippet from FT below. I wonder how long will they keep these clubs open? I guess the ones like Mr PFI that made the most of the few weeks of open clubs are the smart and lucky ones.
https://www.ft.com/content/700355e2-362c-4f9f-a24e-ddc9f6ea9cb0
""Europe's economy is sliding towards a double-dip recession, with economists warning that rising coronavirus infections and fresh government restrictions on people's movement are likely to cut short the region's recent recovery.
Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain and the Netherlands have all announced measures in the past week to contain the second wave of Covid-19 infections, with more expected in the coming days.
On Sunday, Belgium announced the closure of all bars and cafs for four weeks, while Switzerland widened its mandate for mask-wearing. France put into effect a night curfew in Paris and other cities from Saturday.
The measures follow a sharp rise in case numbers, with a number of European countries reporting record new daily infection figures over the weekend..All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.
All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.All Sweden did was sacrifice the lives of 5000+ of their citizens, with 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway. That's a lot of needless carnage chasing herd immunity, a strategy virtually every contagious disease specialist opposes. As to the present, medical communities have improved at treating Covid, plus more vulnerable populations are doing more to protect themselves. We need to wait on the vaccines, will not be much longer. In the meantime you and Hammer Time can jack off or find independent sex workers that are willing to take chances.
P.S. There's more on the table with this than death rates, as protracted health complications are common. Google is your friend, or if you like check my last post. I provided links.
All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.
Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.
For all the Covid1984 scared people on this forum, here's a guy with some great tips on how to stay safe during 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEc0wy_mEA8
Warning, do not click on the above link if you're easily triggered or "hurt" by some humour and sarcasm.Don't click this video off guys. It gets better and better throughout. I started laughing at the lightning part.
"Der Altersmedian der Sterbeflle lag bei 82 Jahren. " Average age for Covid19 deaths was 82 years old!
I present hard data from three big rich industrialised countries, but you come with one unverified story from Turkey.The mean age for deaths is much lower than that in the USA, according to the Center for Disease Control (CDC). And of course there's more at stake with Covid than life and death, but also protracted and at times debilitating health problems. You can talk about car accidents though such doesn't involve contagious diseases. You can talk about "the flu" even though in the USA Covid has already killed almost eight times as many people as a normal flu season. Your arguments are only fit for dumb morons at Trump rallies, which sadly make up about 40% of the US population, so very embarrassing for my country.
But yea there's going to be a lot of social distancing and masks for another six months or so until a vaccine is widely available. So you likely won't be able to congregate in FKKs, but you can still see hookers, the ones willing to take chances. 6 more months. Why not man up and accept it? Or are you going to cry yourself to sleep every night for 6 months?
ExpatLover
10-19-20, 08:59
EL: Always the same story, when the reality doesn't match your expectations the reality doesn't exist, I repeat it again I don t listen to politics, influencers. I try to get as many diverse sources of information, try to make my own opinion and after I act. I still believe it is useful for me and all the others to restrict to the maximum all social activities including mongering which is not vital to live, unless you are addicted and they are would rather advice you to visit a psychiatric to help you than any prostitute. Yes it is very seldom than young and healthy people die but it exists, and I can tell you that even some young people need some time to fully recover from covid.
All true, except for no mention of Sweden where even though cases are going up, daily death rates keep staying same at below 2 for last couple of months. Agreed it's a small country with only 10 million population, but looks like their approach really worked in the long term? I wonder when the big countries will start acknowledging (and following as appropriate) the brilliant and commendable efforts by the small country where also the Nobel Prizes (except for the Nobel Peace Prize) comes from.Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?
HammerTime96
10-19-20, 10:42
Something 'very strange' is going on with Europe's second wave infections: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJmni3LVK3k.
Lets look at it like this:
We have all heard the interviews by the Chinese insider Li-Meng Yang who tells us how they have made the virus in 6 months in the Wuhan lab.
So if say China, France and the USA are cooperating against all the people of the world in an Agenda 21 depopulation plot, and we now see that this version of covid is not effective enough at killing people. What would you do?
- make an even more effective covid-mutation.
- move onto ebola instead. Especially as we can see Africa seems to be largely immune for some reason. Either due to large scale drugs being used against other infectious diseases, or just the higher sun intake people there get. Or the average younger age of people in Africa.
Right now we are hearing about the mink farms in Denmark, and possible new corona strains. So lets see how many people dies from this.
And next year, expect ebola.
BrahmaPoutre
10-19-20, 18:43
Was not too difficult to Google: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/dmitriy-stuzhuk-death-coronavirus-fitness-influencer-ukraine-sofia-b1130533.html.
His widow's Instagram. She has 5 million followers: https://www.instagram.com/sofia_stuzhuk.
This 33 yo had 1 million followers. Three beautiful kids and a wife.And how many 33 yo guys died of Covid compared to old people (60+) ?
Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?Are you talking about total deaths since the beginning of Covid-19 or the current 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths, for last few months? I'm talking about 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths for last 3 months, which tells us how good or bad any country handled it.
Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.
Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.I referred Nobel Prizes to simply point that Sweden has been pioneer in that area before others, then others followed and some are better, same like in your example of Olympics. Hopefully people will also learn from and follow them in their unique way of handling Covid-19 with better successful long-term results. I personally think Sweden is a pioneer in handing Covid-19 in longer term most effectively.
Sweden testing is much lower than other countries of similar size and if you want to compare Sweden death rates with countries of similar size, here you go: Sweden: 585 deaths /1 M people; Czech Rep:133/1 M people; Switzerland: 245/1 M people; Austria: 99/1 M people; Serbia: 89/1 M people; Greece: 49/1 M. You cannot compare with Belgium, because they only look at excess deaths (all cause mortality). Still think Sweden is in a good place?If you ignore the last six months, Sweden seems to be in a better place than the rest of Europe as of the third week of October. I am not sure if it has anything to do with their decision to stay "open". But perhaps more about their geography, lack of inbound travel, low population density, and the percentage of people that live alone. Swedes have lower levels of "social contact" and some have remarked that they have been practicing social distancing their entire lives. Remote, low population density countries like Australia or New Zealand could probably aggressively open right now. Australia, New Zealand have the lowest positivity rates in the world at a fraction of a percent. Contrast to most of Europe (other than Germany) which has of late had positivity rate of 10-20 percent.
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=SWE~USA~ESP~DNK~DEU~ITA®ion=World&testsMetric=true&interval=total&aligned=true&hideControls=true&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/positive-rate-daily-smoothed
Well, I am not debating what they *should do*. I was asking will the clubs shut again due to the rising loads. There is already a healthy debate going on with regards to the former, so I will let that continue w / o my involvement for now.
Although, I don't get your reference to Sweden and origination of Nobels in this context (unless you included that snippet for rhetorical flourish). Because Nobels come from Sweden does not make that country more advanced in science and scientific thinking, not anymore than Olympics having originated in Greece make Greece the most gifted country in worldwide sports. Sweden may or may not have advanced science but that has no relation to Nobel academy being physically located there. If for some reason, the Nobel academy decides to change their office to London or NYC (I am not expecting it however), it will not have much impact on the development and influence of science on the Swedish society either.In addition to what I already said about why I mentioned Sweden, one thing I forgot. If we believe that the Nobel Prizes from Sweden awarded for various scientific achievements worldwide are mostly correct, we should also at least start looking into and try as appropriate their (Sweden's) so far successful scientific approach in managing this virus. We shouldn't think Sweden knows shit about science when it comes to this virus, but when they award scientists with Nobel Prizes they know how to pick a winner.
In addition to what I already said about why I mentioned Sweden, one thing I forgot. If we believe that the Nobel Prizes from Sweden awarded for various scientific achievements worldwide are mostly correct, we should also at least start looking into and try as appropriate their (Sweden's) so far successful scientific approach in managing this virus. We shouldn't think Sweden knows shit about science when it comes to this virus, but when they award scientists with Nobel Prizes they know how to pick a winner.TBH, this is a totally flawed argument. The Nobel prize is effectively a private prize, awarded by a private foundation. It is not even given out by Sweden so to speak. To the extent a government / country is involved, it is Riksbank which gives out the Economics prize. The science and Lit prizes are from the Nobel foundation. The very notion that a country becomes a role model because a private person long dead and his foundation are awarding prizes is just laughable. Such an idea is not scientific or rational so to speak. Furthermore, the prestige of Nobel is mainly due to tradition, longevity. It is like Wimbledon of prizes. If Nobel survives for another 100 years which it very well could, the prize would be 200+ years old by then and even more prestigious because it is that much older. According to your logic, the scientific advancement and culture in Sweden is guaranteed to be strong in the future simply because the most prestigious prize happened to be awarded by a foundation based in their country.
Personally, I think Sweden is a fine country and have come up with some fine tech firms (Ericsson, Spotify, iZettle, etc.) but to ascribe any of these successes to existence of Nobel foundation or to claim that Sweden should be a role model because of this foundation's base in Sweden is not a credible idea. If you had simply said "Swedes are a rational and sensible bunch, very well educated, have a progressive and caring government that takes the best actions for its people" I would be far more inclined to agree with such a statement.
TBH, this is a totally flawed argument. The Nobel prize is effectively a private prize, awarded by a private foundation. It is not even given out by Sweden so to speak. To the extent a government / country is involved, it is Riksbank which gives out the Economics prize. The science and Lit prizes are from the Nobel foundation. The very notion that a country becomes a role model because a private person long dead and his foundation are awarding prizes is just laughable. Such an idea is not scientific or rational so to speak. Furthermore, the prestige of Nobel is mainly due to tradition, longevity. It is like Wimbledon of prizes. If Nobel survives for another 100 years which it very well could, the prize would be 200+ years old by then and even more prestigious because it is that much older. According to your logic, the scientific advancement and culture in Sweden is guaranteed to be strong in the future simply because the most prestigious prize happened to be awarded by a foundation based in their country.
Personally, I think Sweden is a fine country and have come up with some fine tech firms (Ericsson, Spotify, iZettle, etc.) but to ascribe any of these successes to existence of Nobel foundation or to claim that Sweden should be a role model because of this foundation's base in Sweden is not a credible idea. If you had simply said "Swedes are a rational and sensible bunch, very well educated, have a progressive and caring government that takes the best actions for its people" I would be far more inclined to agree with such a statement.You basically agreed with me by the end of your post, thank you. We just came to the same conclusion "Sweden has handled the Coronavirus quite successfully for the longer term" via two different paths. If they weren't, the Swedes (including the scientists there who determine who gets the annual Nobel Prizes for various scientific fields) would have published against their government's chosen path. I haven't seen any, yet. These are pretty smart scientists compared to most of us arguing here LOL.
Pahllus Maximus
10-21-20, 03:18
They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.
They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.Well your USA made German extremely liberal country in year 1945, without that incident Germany would have went opposite way and no foreigner to fuck German girls in Germany that is for sure LOL!
You will be paroled out of your sex prison USA sometime next year, so till then I would stay away from shower room LOL! Why mingle with ugly girls if young stunner beauties are waiting for you across the ocean for 50 euro per 30 min LOL! Until then, make good use of your imagination and your right hand LOL!
Good masturbation hole and a gel is more recommended, be sure to warm up the gel for coming winter season or you can train yourself with cold get LOL!
ExpatLover
10-21-20, 05:06
EL: the only problem is that the reality make them lie, only yesterday in France 170 people died from covid in 24 Hours, and probably the number is underestimate like in many countries. No government is telling the truth, life must go on, the people must stay optimistic so they still will consume, buy useless things on credit, going to the bars, restaurants, prostitutes. FKK. In 2 years we will probably laugh about the second wave, when we will be in the 6th or even more. It is the responsibility of the governments, of all the people in charge of healthcare, to create a safe environment so I am willing to spend my money, today we are far from that, so I reduce all my spending to the minimum and only if many people will act like me, the leaders will start to think about our life. Sorry but before a effective vaccine exists the life will not return to normal, it is just impossible.
Nooky Ninja
10-21-20, 09:32
Berlin on Tues reported 800+ new cases in one day, highest yet. Age distribution all over the place. Travelers thinking of Berlin should keep eye on this as good chance soon things will tighten up: https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/.
Also CDC US study out shows excess deaths almost 50% above official Covid death count, and among highest excess increase is in 25-44 year old group. Shows also knock on effects of indirect causes and causes from delayed / deferred care of other diseases.
US is inept but data problems exist everywhere. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w Of course it is CDC, they cherry pick data based on vibrations from blades RPMs on black helicopters en route to satanic child rituals, etc. Or maybe not.
Berlin on Tues reported 800+ new cases in one day, highest yet. Age distribution all over the place. Travelers thinking of Berlin should keep eye on this as good chance soon things will tighten up: https://www.berlin.de/en/news/coronavirus/.
Also CDC US study out shows excess deaths almost 50% above official Covid death count, and among highest excess increase is in 25-44 year old group. Shows also knock on effects of indirect causes and causes from delayed / deferred care of other diseases.
US is inept but data problems exist everywhere. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w Of course it is CDC, they cherry pick data based on vibrations from blades RPMs on black helicopters en route to satanic child rituals, etc. Or maybe not.Thanks for the update. Can you please update us on how Sweden is doing now?
You basically agreed with me by the end of your post, thank you. We just came to the same conclusion "Sweden has handled the Coronavirus quite successfully for the longer term" via two different paths. If they weren't, the Swedes (including the scientists there who determine who gets the annual Nobel Prizes for various scientific fields) would have published against their government's chosen path. I haven't seen any, yet. These are pretty smart scientists compared to most of us arguing here LOL.So, given that you now approve of Sweden's approach I assume you have changed your view on FKK door policies in February? Just to recap: back then, you repeatedly advocated that FKKs should deny admission to people with Asian look at the door. My view at that time was that a country should make its own policy on who to let in and who to deny visa stamp into the country, but once someone is inside the country and was free to visit shops, movie theaters, restaurants, concerts and grocery stores and bars, it was racist to deny them admission only to FKKs.
It is all in the past now, and of no consequence. But I find it curious that your view is now 180 deg turn from then: "no admission to a specific ethnic look demographic at the FKK doors" to "a country is absolutely right to never have done any restrictive admissions in any part of their economy from the very beginning".
Obviously, we all change and evolve our views and opinions but I am curious to see this change.
As for Swedes, they are nice people, I wish them the best. As I wish the best for all nations (even to commie China and its thug government that may have played a vile and evil role in the proliferation of this virus).
Smoke Light
10-21-20, 16:56
They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.Cheers, Pahllus! Great to know there are like-minded people. It's getting harder to find positive thoughts here and in other forums nowadays. Yours is an optimistic exception. Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall. It kept me upbeat and I worked hard all summer hoping to relax my fall schedule and stack up 2 or 3 October-November trips to the FKK land. Yet September situation deteriorated gradually in US and everywhere in Europe. I now read news from Germany that vaccines, if approved early next year, will be widely available only much later, like summer or fall. I can only hope we get them sooner. I no longer read seriously USA media (headlines are enough) about vaccines altogether, they keep saying "in a couple of months" all the time, which I find useless.
My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.
You basically agreed with me by the end of your post.No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity. Only a moron would argue for Sweden, but if you must, carry on. Wink.
No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity.Based on confirmed cases, Sweden does not seem close to herd immunity. For reference, both Sweden and Czech Republic have populations of 10 million. In the next day or two, Czech Republic will probably have double the number of infections as Sweden.
Czech Rep 203 K infections since start of pandemic. Sweden 107 K infections since start of pandemic.
Meanwhile, a Brazilian in "the control group" (LOL? Right.) of the AstraZeneca vaccine final testing stage, just died.
So, given that you now approve of Sweden's approach I assume you have changed your view on FKK door policies in February? Just to recap: back then, you repeatedly advocated that FKKs should deny admission to people with Asian look at the door. My view at that time was that a country should make its own policy on who to let in and who to deny visa stamp into the country, but once someone is inside the country and was free to visit shops, movie theaters, restaurants, concerts and grocery stores and bars, it was racist to deny them admission only to FKKs.
It is all in the past now, and of no consequence. But I find it curious that your view is now 180 deg turn from then: "no admission to a specific ethnic look demographic at the FKK doors" to "a country is absolutely right to never have done any restrictive admissions in any part of their economy from the very beginning".
Obviously, we all change and evolve our views and opinions but I am curious to see this change.
As for Swedes, they are nice people, I wish them the best. As I wish the best for all nations (even to commie China and its thug government that may have played a vile and evil role in the proliferation of this virus).Yeah, I don't think we need to stop Asians at the FKK doors for Covid-19 any more. There was a window of time early on when Asians, particularly people from China, should have been stopped to spread the virus, but that window of opportunity has long gone as most countries and establishments didn't do that fast enough and thus we all ended up in this global pandemic (as opposed to having it a localized issue). Now even Europeans cannot freely travel within Europe! But again, if any country or continent starts another new pathogen like Covid-19 or Ebola, all other countries and their establishments should immediately stop people coming from those areas to reduce the spread, it's a basic common sense and very simple to understand, I don't know why anyone would argue against that. Also then, every establishment (eg FKKs) should use their best judgment on who to stop (legally) for their business to survive, as opposed to simply waiting for Governments to dictate what to do; we all know that most Governments are full of red tapes and slow to act or react.
No he doesn't "agree" with you. Sweden has been a disaster, killed 5000+ of it's citizens needlessly, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity. Only a moron would argue for Sweden, but if you must, carry on. Wink.Check Sweden's daily death rates for last 3 months, and compare that with rest of the Europe's per million population. Hopefully you will learn something new without name calling. Wink back at you.
Cheers, Pahllus! Great to know there are like-minded people. It's getting harder to find positive thoughts here and in other forums nowadays. Yours is an optimistic exception. Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall. It kept me upbeat and I worked hard all summer hoping to relax my fall schedule and stack up 2 or 3 October-November trips to the FKK land. Yet September situation deteriorated gradually in US and everywhere in Europe. I now read news from Germany that vaccines, if approved early next year, will be widely available only much later, like summer or fall. I can only hope we get them sooner. I no longer read seriously USA media (headlines are enough) about vaccines altogether, they keep saying "in a couple of months" all the time, which I find useless.
My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.I am no virus expert, far from it, but the people I respect such as Dr Fauci, Bill Gates, some others that I read have always said from the beginning that a good vaccine is at least a year away if not longer.
"Back in spring 2020 they had predictions that vaccines will be ready by fall" -- whoever said that have never been credible. Of course I am not knowledgeable enough to know who is credible and who is not credible, as one needs to have even a modest knowledge to know who is an expert. But I fall back on the household names I know and have been believable, say Dr Sanjay Gupta, and I see who he respects, and say if that is Dr Fauci, then I go by what Dr Fauci thinks is a realistic expectation for vaccines. I simply respect Bill Gates, so that may be my personal problem but I respect him and he has invested billions of money in this area with purely an altruistic motive. All of those people never said a safe, effective vaccine is ready in 7 billion doses in 4 to 6 months.
Oh, there are certain politicians who have said vaccines will be ready before November 3. I personally think those politicians are even more clueless than I am, so there is that.
HammerTime96
10-21-20, 21:40
My secret hope is virus miraculously mutates away, but that is probably a 0.001% chance, like winning a lottery. I constantly search for ways to stay in a better mood, which, in my case, translates to my sex life. I wonder how everybody else is coping with the current conditions as well as a long term perspective into the next year.Good news for all the idiots hoping for a largely untested vaccine, some guy in Brazil just died after taking the vaccine: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-10-21/volunteer-in-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trial-has-died-brazil-health-authority-says.
"A source familiar with the matter told Reuters that the trial would have been suspended if the volunteer who died had received the COVID-19 vaccine, suggesting the person was part of the control group that was given a meningitis vaccine. ".
So this is what can happen when you give perfectly healthy people a completely unnecessary (in this case, meningitis) vaccine. Just wait until all the big pharma companies, their lobbyists, and corrupt health regulators, and incompetent politicians will unleash some barely tested CV19 "vaccine" onto the world.
More good news for the pro-vaxxers: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-southkorea-flushots/five-south-koreans-die-after-getting-flu-shots-sparking-vaccine-fears-idUSL4N2HC0QA.
Unless you're really old, very fat and have sever underlying illnesses, a better bet would be to hope for herd immunity.
Sweden has already almost achieved this. A stable amount of "cases" but very few deaths and hospitalisations. Hence: life is almost back to normal in Sweden, and if people in Germany hadn't panicked, things would have been back to normal here as well by now. FKKs would be running as usual, girls would not be unemployed and us men would be getting laid.
"Cases" are rising, case fatality rates are declining: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&cfrMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.
Look at the number of Swedish "cases" which has been more or less stable for months, despite having a colder climate and an earlier start of the regular flu season than the rest of Europe: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&casesMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.
German numbers: https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/covid-19/covid-19-mobile.html#global-overview-tab.
During the last 14 days; cases 74676, deaths 313, cases per 100 k people: 89,95 and deaths per 100 k people: hold onto your seats, a spectacular 0,38!
Based on confirmed cases, Sweden does not seem close to herd immunity. For reference, both Sweden and Czech Republic have populations of 10 million. In the next day or two, Czech Republic will probably have double the number of infections as Sweden.
Czech Rep 203 K infections since start of pandemic. Sweden 107 K infections since start of pandemic.Again, life sciences is not my area of expertise, far from it. But just using "common sense" (FWIW), herd immunity is an unclear subject with Covid-19. For example, the normally bandied about number is 60-70% population infection at which point it is expected that herd immunity has been achieved. At least based on what I read so far. But I don't know if that is the same % for every new virus outbreak?
Also, I read that a few people who had confirmed infections earlier tested positive again. I don't know if that has any impact on the likelihood of this herd immunity at that 60-70% cumulative infection. If a guy who has been infected previously can be infected again, where was the immunity? Granted, he may be one of the very few. I know people who took flu shots still can catch a mild flu. Will Covid-19 be like that? Experts can chime in. Not my subject.
Also, I don't know if herd immunity is a concept that you will only know has been achieved looking backwards. For example, while 8 M+ confirmed infections have been reported in US, I read that the actual is several times higher, perhaps 5 to 10 times higher. But that 5 to 10 times is an estimation, not a precise number. So, do we have 40 million silently infected or is it 80 million at this moment? If herd immunity is achieved at 2/3 of population, say 220 M; does it mean when the confirmed positives are 1/10 of it, ie. 22 M then we have achieved herd immunity? Or is it achieved when we are at 44 M confirmed positives?
I don't believe anyone is going to ring a bell and announce "we achieved herd immunity, it is all clear now". In any case, it won't matter. The sign that most people will look for is declining daily and weekly positives. When those decline to very small numbers, people gain confidence and roam around, go on vacation and even FKKs, as they did in Europe. And if herd immunity is not truly reached and infections rise again, there will be hand wringing, a lot of back and forth mutual recriminations, and some amount of restrictions on mobility will happen; some of those restrictions may be imposed by higher ups, some are are voluntary. Some will be like HammerHammer "ignore the virus you fools, it is a nothingburger" types, and others will be "stay home and watch porn, print a hundred messages on ISG types."
Yeah, I don't think we need to stop Asians at the FKK doors for Covid-19 any more. There was a window of time early on when Asians, particularly people from China, should have been stopped to spread the virus, but that window of opportunity has long gone as most countries and establishments didn't do that fast enough and thus we all ended up in this global pandemic (as opposed to having it a localized issue). Now even Europeans cannot freely travel within Europe! But again, if any country or continent starts another new pathogen like Covid-19 or Ebola, all other countries and their establishments should immediately stop people coming from those areas to reduce the spread, it's a basic common sense and very simple to understand, I don't know why anyone would argue against that. Also then, every establishment (eg FKKs) should use their best judgment on who to stop (legally) for their business to survive, as opposed to simply waiting for Governments to dictate what to do; we all know that most Governments are full of red tapes and slow to act or react.You were advocating stopping people at the FKK gates, even those Asians who may have been living in Germany for a while; in any case, if that Asian was already let loose in German society and assuming he is infected, he is already passing it along at the eateries, movies, bars etc but you specifically advocated stopping them at the FKK doors. I asked back then "why not stop all Chinese from coming over to western countries" but your sole interest was stopping them at FKKs and stopping all people with Asian look, not just Chinese citizens.
As far as establishments looking out for their own interest, that is just code speak for discrimination. Even if they stopped Asian looking people, some non Asian male could come inside, infect the girls and other gents. Italy was already well infected for example. Your red tape issue does not fly because if the government is indeed corrupt and letting in infected people from abroad, it is only a matter of time before locals get infected, come inside the clubs and pass the infection. So, your discriminatory recommendation was not truly a solution to protect the club at any time.
With Sweden, you are saying they were right to not have done distancing from the very beginning. As far as I know, they never put any restrictions in place now or earlier. You seem to approve it. You even cited Nobel's as proof. So, I am wondering how you square this admiration for having zero restrictions from the very beginning and your prior advocation for stopping Asian looking people specifically at FKKs.
I don't believe anyone is going to ring a bell and announce "we achieved herd immunity, it is all clear now". In any case, it won't matter. The sign that most people will look for is declining daily and weekly positives. When those decline to very small numbers, people gain confidence and roam around, go on vacation and even FKKs, as they did in Europe. And if herd immunity is not truly reached and infections rise again, there will be hand wringing, a lot of back and forth mutual recriminations, and some amount of restrictions on mobility will happen; some of those restrictions may be imposed by higher ups, some are are voluntary. Some will be like HammerHammer "ignore the virus you fools, it is a nothingburger" types, and others will be "stay home and watch porn, print a hundred messages on ISG types."We'll have "herd immunity" when there's a vaccine, and the wait for widespread access will not be much longer. Encouraging people to go out and get infected seeking herd immunity is a fool's errand that will lead to great numbers of unnecessary deaths and more instances where hospital systems are overwhelmed. Though popular in monger forums and at Trump rallies, no credible contagious disease specialists advocate for such nonsense. One of Trump's personal quacks does, but he's a radiologist and way outside his expertise.
As to your "Hammer Hammer" example, well, there's always going to be plenty of dumb people in the world. History testifies to that fact more than any other. Just look who managed to get elected president of the US in 2016, and I rest my case.
P.S. Reported cases of reinfection at this point are few and far between. It's possible that the vaccines will require a booster, like once a year or so.
Big, powerful, rich Bavaria is starting confining. Berlin, Koln, Frankfurt are closing on evening and night, LR is closing earlier. NL now prefer to confine for second wave, like Ireland, Wales, Liverpool, Catalunya after Madrid. Virus spreading everywhere at the moment and killing more than on Summer, with grippe also arriving. Facts and figures.
You were advocating stopping people at the FKK gates, even those Asians who may have been living in Germany for a while; in any case, if that Asian was already let loose in German society and assuming he is infected, he is already passing it along at the eateries, movies, bars etc but you specifically advocated stopping them at the FKK doors. I asked back then "why not stop all Chinese from coming over to western countries" but your sole interest was stopping them at FKKs and stopping all people with Asian look, not just Chinese citizens.
As far as establishments looking out for their own interest, that is just code speak for discrimination. Even if they stopped Asian looking people, some non Asian male could come inside, infect the girls and other gents. Italy was already well infected for example. Your red tape issue does not fly because if the government is indeed corrupt and letting in infected people from abroad, it is only a matter of time before locals get infected, come inside the clubs and pass the infection. So, your discriminatory recommendation was not truly a solution to protect the club at any time.
With Sweden, you are saying they were right to not have done distancing from the very beginning. As far as I know, they never put any restrictions in place now or earlier. You seem to approve it. You even cited Nobel's as proof. So, I am wondering how you square this admiration for having zero restrictions from the very beginning and your prior advocation for stopping Asian looking people specifically at FKKs.Do you think countries are right to restrict people's movement now? Your own answer to it will give you answers (that you want to hear, not necessarily the correct answer) to all your questions above. Good luck.
Are you talking about total deaths since the beginning of Covid-19 or the current 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths, for last few months? I'm talking about 7 or 3 days moving averages of deaths for last 3 months, which tells us how good or bad any country handled it.Sweden's mistakes are now clear even to their chief epidemiologist Tegnell. I love Sweden and Swedish people and I think it is a great place to live, but they have got it wrong in the case of Covid-19. They have got it so wrong that they are now slowly and gradually changing their policy to align with their neighbouring countries. Here is a fine article that explains everything that has happened in Sweden from the beginning of the pandemic https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10/it-s-been-so-so-surreal-critics-sweden-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash.
We'll have "herd immunity" when there's a vaccine, and the wait for widespread access will not be much longer. Encouraging people to go out and get infected seeking herd immunity is a fool's errand that will lead to great numbers of unnecessary deaths and more instances where hospital systems are overwhelmed. Though popular in monger forums and at Trump rallies, no credible contagious disease specialists advocate for such nonsense. One of Trump's personal quacks does, but he's a radiologist and way outside his expertise.
As to your "Hammer Hammer" example, well, there's always going to be plenty of dumb people in the world. History testifies to that fact more than any other. Just look who managed to get elected president of the US in 2016, and I rest my case.
P.S. Reported cases of reinfection at this point are few and far between. It's possible that the vaccines will require a booster, like once a year or so.Fauci and Gates are sounding reasonably confident about a vaccine by year end, with 5 candidates in Phase 3. Fauci's focus is on US and Gates cares more about worldwide availability and especially poor nations in 3rd world. A large enough percent may refuse to take the vaccine, we are seeing it right here, and I have no idea how effective any of those candidates will be if / when they are approved.
Are people expected to choose which one they want to take, or will they have not that much choice due to general availability? Given that a sizeable section of population are such anti vaxxers, their confusion will only grow if they are asked at the pharma counter "do you want the Pfizer or Astra or Moderna or JNJ vaccine". (I am leaving out the Chinese and Russian ones out for now).
Most companies I know in the US are working on the assumption that we will be with this Covid till at least Spring. Very few companies are making plans for bringing employees back to offices and many jobs may simply never come back to offices. Given how badly this has been mismanaged and how political it has become and how things have generally turned out to be worse than initially expected, I will wait for widespread vaccination to have happened and cases plummeting to extremely small numbers before celebrating we have beaten this. Perhaps that reflects my handle on this site.
Wondering how many of the handful of people on the "covid is no big deal" and "anti vaccine" camps actually have any type of science background or education. The way they select and process information definitely suggests a lack of ability or mental discipline to analyze data and integrate observations into their worldview with an objective, logical, and reasonable mind. It seems evident that there are a bunch of business and social science types talking about hard science and epidemiology. Nothing wrong with not being a person with a STEM background, society needs people of all backgrounds. But the fact that the poorly trained and misinformed are often the loudest seems about right as society is full of frauds who only work towards self-gain by riding on the backs of more capable and altruistic men.
HammerTime96
10-22-20, 14:15
Life almost normal in Sweden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap28egc5wGI.
Herd immunity without chemicals from Big Pharma.
Where are the masses of dead people in Sweden? Where are they, CovIdiots and VaxxIdiots?
Pity that Sweden is run by hardcore feminists who don't allow FKK clubs. LOL!
They getting healthy people to get infected to test the vaccines efficacy. Please <insert deity may it work.
COVID has really reminded me just how short life is and just how lucky we are to travel the world and bang and huge choice of beautiful young women at an affordable price (compared to say marriage). Here I am stuck in USA sex prison of fat, expensive, tatoo plastered hos' with their princess attitudes and sleazy scene. Berlin has some awesome old school brothels with lovely rooms, a proper latte or cognac, and attentive staff, naturally spotlessly clean and for about EUR60 for 30 minutes. Feels more like a small boutique restaurant, but with hot women who will disrobe and blow your mind.
May the airlines survive; that there is a radical economic reconstruction period; that COVID ends and a room full of smiling, beautiful women may return.
Airlines and travel make for a much bigger set set of color crayons to enjoy life with.Pfizer save mankind for strong erection at older age and now Pfizer save mankind by saving FKK via finding the cure for the virus that is the cause of the closure or limited operation of many FKK!
I hear nothing from Hessen? NRW opened, artemins opened, Globe Zurich opened, but what about Hessen region? I hope palace and Oase will be able to operate again before it is too late for them to sustain the closure fee!
HammerTime96
10-22-20, 14:32
Cure (vaccine) is worse than the disease?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20) 32156-5/ fulltext.
"Cure worse than disease? Some Covid-19 vaccines may increase HIV risk, scientists warn".
https://www.rt.com/news/504224-covid19-vaccine-candidates-hiv/
A Covid1984 "vaccine" + people running around in FKK clubs fucking hookers! What a perfect combination!! LOL!
As I've stated before the Oxford & Astra Zeneca vaccine is looking on target to produce results, further good news today.
Regards the Brazilian man who sadly died, he was on a placebo so it has no connection with the vaccine.
This trial is looking like the worlds best hope & unlike dodgy Chinese & Russian vaccines, this is going through all the safety checks.
The big question is how quickly will the vaccine be made available to the public so that we can once again return to FKK World with a reasonable level of safety?
https://apple.news/APazsU-bfTUG7u6JNv6aGVA
BrahmaPoutre
10-22-20, 17:48
If Sweden deal with the covid like they did with prostitution, I understand very well the fiasco in that country because of stupid politicians.
I hear nothing from Hessen? NRW opened, artemins opened, Globe Zurich opened, but what about Hessen region? I hope palace and Oase will be able to operate again before it is too late for them to sustain the closure fee!Yeah very weird. Almost feels like the Hesse government is fucking with the tourist mongers who go to the Hesse FKKs most?
Do you think countries are right to restrict people's movement now? Your own answer to it will give you answers (that you want to hear, not necessarily the correct answer) to all your questions above. Good luck.Gino,
You repeatedly dodge the question. From the beginning I said countries have a right to monitor and protect their borders. Do governments have right to curtail and restrict movements of people inside their countries? Yes, the Soviets needed permission to go from place to place inside their own borders, so did the Chinese. People forced into concentration camps could not move around, and people in prisons are not allowed to move around. I guess you are advocating something along those lines, at least for the people with Asian look?
And you still have not explained why it is great in your view that Sweden has implemented zero restrictions and yet you think it is right for certain people to be blocked at the FKK doors.
Anyway, non answers are answers and I will let this go. Thank you.
Pahllus Maximus
10-23-20, 06:54
https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/
Annualized mortaility rates, even when arranged by age cohort on a histogram, also speaks to bad data that drives bad policy. The author of this is no light weight sociological fad BS artist.
Pfizer save mankind for strong erection at older age and now Pfizer save mankind by saving FKK via finding the cure for the virus that is the cause of the closure or limited operation of many FKK!
I hear nothing from Hessen? NRW opened, artemins opened, Globe Zurich opened, but what about Hessen region? I hope palace and Oase will be able to operate again before it is too late for them to sustain the closure fee!Hessen still closed, GT NRW also, LR have to close earlier, Samya Koln and Artemis have limitations. 6 ens NL had to close. And covid is growing again. Hard times to come, many countries confining.
HammerTime96
10-23-20, 09:40
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true." - Sψren Kierkegaard.
Most people are still shell shocked and 'frozen' after the initial panic in March-April, and refuse to accept new facts and statistics.
In the meantime, the virus is not as deadly as previously thought, infection mortality rates (a median 0,23% on page 7 on the WHO link below, and even 0,05% for people 70) are comparable to the normal flu, Sweden has proved that lockdowns and mask wearing is not necessary, the PCR test is seriously flawed to identify "cases" as already pointed out (see link below) by the PCR test inventor himself, and the hope for a quick "vaccine" is shattered by setbacks. (a vaccine takes 5-10 years to properly weed out the potentially deadly side effects).
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vsKaBsWhC3CQ/
Most 'men' here are acting like little girls, frozen in fear by the initial reporting in March.
P.S. A German trial lawyer is preparing a class action case against the German RKI and Christian Drosten for their fraudulent use of the PCR test. Link in English: https://www.bitchute.com/video/mcyXyT3D5QFi/.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/
Annualized mortality rates, even when arranged by age cohort on a histogram, also speaks to bad data that drives bad policy. The author of this is no light weight sociological fad BS artist.Definitely not a stakeholder. Just here to call out the bullshit here and there. Bad policy perhaps and perhaps poor use of decent data but the data itself isn't bad. Author discussed flaws in testing and perhaps there are, but he is quoting numbers in regards to test specificity and positive predicted values that are well within range of most gold standard diagnosing purposes. This is where his background as a molecular scientist and not a clinician becomes evident. That and his false equivalence discussion of Flu / SARS / MERS are glaring weaknesses in his case.
Point is, the number of concern is not the questionably useful positivity rates and definitely not the short-sighted mortality rate discussions. The real time data that gives the most insight into how serious you should take the coronavirus threat is hospitalization rates. Numbers are reliable and pertinent to assessing threat regardless of flaws in testing, cause of death arguments, blah blah blah. If it makes you sick enough to be hospitalized, we should probably take it seriously. As it stands, covid is 4-20 times more likely to put a person in the hospital versus the flu. In populations under 50, hospitalization rates are roughly 1/1000. That's a pretty significant risk for such a young age group.
That being said, no one knows where the scales will tilt when comparing morbidity costs versus socio-economic cost. Discussions of mortality and prevalence data have been bastardized, but hospitalization rates are harder to manipulate. Running data in the USA, 443,000 people have been hospitalized in the states. That's more than 1/1000 Americans who were sick enough to be hospitalized regardless of death. By the end of the winter, that number will climb to at least 1 in 500.
ExpatLover
10-23-20, 11:04
EL: but this is a joke, when I was much younger (white Christian) many many times I was blocked to enter discos, and I was never thinking about discrimination, racism. Today the people don t accept any selection immediately they speak about racism, discrimination but in fact all our life we are facing selections, for a job, for the beautiful girls (some guys don t need to pay for prostitutes), for our heath, for our sex (M or F), more the people react about racism, discrimination more in fact the people who financially can afford it will do everything not to live in poor areas, put their children in the best schools, now they will sell their apartments in the city centres to move to a house in the country to have a better live during corona time. And the poor people will still stay where they are and I can also predict that the city centres will get poorer and poorer with more and more criminality, with more and more people with immigration background having no other choice.
https://lockdownsceptics.org/lies-damned-lies-and-health-statistics-the-deadly-danger-of-false-positives/
Annualized mortaility rates, even when arranged by age cohort on a histogram, also speaks to bad data that drives bad policy. The author of this is no light weight sociological fad BS artist.I read half of it now (and will read the rest later).
But this one is of key importance:
"We now know that lockdown made no difference at all to the spread of the virus. We can tell this because the interval between catching the virus and, in those who don't make it, their death is longer than the interval between lockdown and peak daily deaths. ".
He also says that he does not look at politics. Clearly!
Because as I have said here several times already, this whole covid-19 thing is one massive coverup trying to take the blunt of the financial crisis. As seen in the repo loan payouts starting September 2019, and was covered up massively by the MSM.
Wallstreetonparade has written hundreds of articles about this for a more in debt look.
The thing is, like Trump says: China, China, China.
And what the Chinese economic model and size delivers as consequences to the rest of the world, and to USA in particular. Coupled that with the fake fiat monetary system we are using today, and you have a recipe for a great coverup: Machiavellian style.
Here is a good video interview with Gerald Celente:
https://youtu.be/43xrrFW5L3Q
He is of curse one of these gold and silver guys. And that is the historical way to get through these fiat collapses we have seen dousins of times through history since ancient times. But nowadays, due to information technology and blockchain, I believe the central banks have another way out of it. But it will take some time for them realise it and get their butts moving. And it will mean massive changes to alot of people. Especially perhaps in banking.
Oh, and the CO2 bullshit with Greta Thunberg and all of that is all just a part of the same thing. Which is also why we get a lockdown.
Basically, we need a great leap in innovation and new technology. The country that leads the world in technology, will lead the world. And USA is scared of loosing the world hegemony to China.
China on their part is also scared of being left in the dirt for another century. So possibly the Chinese let the virus out without telling the US financial backers, or the French.
Another option is of course the Orwellian theory that the powers all conspire against the dumb people, and are creating an artificial conflict.
But in either cases, this covid-19, and the global warming co2 bullshit is both part of an economic war between China (and its allies), and the west and its allies.
We know for example that the introduction of new technologies mainly happens in great leaps, at times of economic problems. Even if we have had the option to start using new technologies for a long time already, there have been interests withholding them from being realized at its potential. For example outsourcing to poor countries instead of automation. Or the luddite idea that people are afraid of loosing their jobs due to automation. All perfectly lined up to be changed now with covid-19!
We also know that the countries who first adopt new technologies on a large scale will be the financial leaders of the world in trade for decades to come.
A recent study has found out that just in the USA, 47% of all jobs can already be fully automated away. And the percentages are higher than that in the vast majority of countries around the world.
But in order to later export this new automation, it is essential to first get it domestically.
And next time you hear Trump comes out and says 'America first'. Think about it! Is it really Trump who came up with that? I don't think so! It is all about automation and technological superiority. Trump is not smart enough. He was put there as a puppet for a reason.
ExpatLover
10-23-20, 18:44
Hamertime. You are a funny guy, sad to see that your psychiatric is still sick or he could take care of you. Sweden how many people, how many deaths? Just try to answer this very simple question and may be you can change your mind.
HammerTime96
10-23-20, 19:16
Hamertime. You are a funny guy, sad to see that your psychiatric is still sick or he could take care of you. Sweden how many people, how many deaths? Just try to answer this very simple question and may be you can change your mind.Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.
Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.
Most 'men' here are acting like little girls, frozen in fear by the initial reporting in March.As much as I agree with your overall view of this virus catastrophe, sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP. On the other hand, we have some "men" here who are scared to get out of their home and typing strong words on the forums to show their strength from their basements LOL.
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