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Mursenary
10-24-20, 01:43
Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.

Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.Says the guys who calls people Covidiots and such. Self awareness helps credibility, amongst a half dozen other habits that seem to missing in your "covid-is-fake" posts.

Mursenary
10-24-20, 01:58
As much as I agree with your overall view of this virus catastrophe, sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP. On the other hand, we have some "men" here who are scared to get out of their home and typing strong words on the forums to show their strength from their basements LOL.Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle. Comparing a 25 year old female's "bravery" in risk assessment versus a 50+ year old monger's risk profile is asinine. Women already survive at twice the rate of men and sub 40 year olds are hospitalized at a quarter of the rate.

Pessimist
10-24-20, 02:31
As much as I agree with your overall view of this virus catastrophe, sorry I can't agree with you on this one. Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP. On the other hand, we have some "men" here who are scared to get out of their home and typing strong words on the forums to show their strength from their basements LOL.By your logic, people in India or Brazilian favelas are incredibly brave. The virus is everywhere, there is hardly any distancing, masks are worn perfunctorily if at all, cleaning supplies are rarely available. If you ask them though, they might say it is not bravery but lack of any choices that drives their actions.

Let me see:

1. The "girls" as you pointed out, are young. I think it is fair to say that this virus is impacting older people worse than younger ones. If you went down to Florida or Texas beaches in the summer, when the local governments did not shut them down or curtailed movement and attendance, young people were in throngs over there as well. Throughout the summer we have seen several photos and videos of young people flouting the rules and partying and many of them remained asymptomatic even if infected. They may have infected others. So, the FKK Romie girls are not anymore brave than our own younger people.

2. These girls are poor or at least need the money. In the US, most of the "essential workers" were working through the pandemic. They didn't wfh. They had no choice. They needed the money. People who need the money and don't have much to lose do venture out. Did.

You have a funny definition of bravery, I should say. Did you wfh? Did you wear a mask? Why? Why not be brave and ignore all distancing, ignore the mask, party as if there was never any Covid?

If I have $5 M in my bank and I am 45, I still Have a long life expectation and have a lot to lose. Why would I take the same risk as a broke young girl? I can easily wait this out for another few months. Why do you think everyone in the world needs to abide by your sense of bravery and risk taking? If I tell you that bungee or parachute jumping or deep sea diving are riskless and only scaredy cats are sitting home, would you follow my lead?

P.S. For now, I will ignore that you were so concerned about this virus in Feb, you were advocating a ban on all Asian ethnic men into the clubs to protect the rest of us. Apparently something so deadly in Feb when only a few thousand were infected is now so harmless in your mind that one needs to ignore every protocol and health expert advice to demonstrate their manhood in your view. How did the risk profile of the virus change 180 degrees in 6 months?

Gino02
10-24-20, 02:37
Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle. Comparing a 25 year old female's "bravery" in risk assessment versus a 50+ year old monger's risk profile is asinine. Women already survive at twice the rate of men and sub 40 year olds are hospitalized at a quarter of the rate.My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?

ExpatLover
10-24-20, 04:22
So the figures of Sweden are just terrible compare to Norway, Finland, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and the last days will not improve the situation.

Paulie97
10-24-20, 05:04
Jeesuz. The hyperbole here is typical to what you hear on popular news outlets. There is something called being practical and and measured. One can pay attention to credible sources, understand the most likely science, process worst case and best case scenarios, and then act accordingly. Calling people out for acting out of fear is ridiculous and is definitely stolen from political speak. There is such a thing as being measured and behaving responsibly. It's not a complete social isolation versus complete promotion of super spreader lifestyle.Correct. That's what's called a false dilemma.

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/

ExpatLover
10-24-20, 08:08
Gino 02: What a crazy analysis, being a prostitute is not being brave it is just being stupid and mostly working for a pimp or a BF. This time visiting a FKK is also being stupid and has nothing to see with being brave. Unfortunately the months ahead are looking quite tragic concerning the covid and the number of deaths. Advice you to work in a hospital, or being soldier or a policemen. If you really want to demonstrate how brave you are.

HammerTime96
10-24-20, 08:53
Says the guys who calls people Covidiots and such. Self awareness helps credibility, amongst a half dozen other habits that seem to missing in your "covid-is-fake" posts.Again, you are mixing facts with your own fear-inspired fiction. Show me one post by me, where I say that "covid-is-fake. " Show me one, just one post please, where I said that "it's fake!

I never said it was fake, but I refer to facts (not scaremongering fiction!) that the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu. Is this the level of your education so low, that you can not tell the difference between; 1 the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu, and 2 covid-is-fake?

Despite your 'medical background' I see very few links to facts and science in your reports. Why don't you go deeper into the links that I post? What your reports are full of is fear and personal attacks, and you try to gaslight me by suggesting that I said that "covid-is-fake."

Rocky V
10-24-20, 12:19
Most little girls (eg the FKK girls who are mostly between 18 and 30 years age) seems to be much more brave than most "men" here (who are mostly above 30 years age) who doesn't want to visit an FKK now and scared sitting (and shitting) at home. On the other hand, most of these brave little FKK girls are happily working (kissing an unknown random guy from the street who may or may not have the active virus in his body, then sucking his dick bare to make it hard, then letting him insert that dick in her pussy with or without a condom, then may even take his cum in the mouth and swallow his load for a meager 50-150 euros! And repeat that cycle as many times as possible on any given day!) at any FKK or private places they can find open, without any fear. Can anyone point me to one FKK girl who isn't working now because she's scared of this fucking virus? I would even bet that back in Romania little girls of ages 14-17 are eagerly waiting to be turned 18 to hit the ground running in the FKK land ASAP.Here is a thought. Maybe they don't have any other fuc*ing choice for making money? You seem to forget that most of these girls have a "boyfriend", who needs money, and they most likely are school dropouts, which give them no marketable skills in the job market.

Rocky V
10-24-20, 12:23
Sad that you have to resort to name calling and cheap insults, and of course you bring no new facts to the table.

Talking about facts, here are the facts about Sweden's deaths, compared to a bunch of other countries: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-08-19..latest&country=LUX~FRA~DEU~NLD~SWE~ITA~ESP~GBR~USA~RUS&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc.You seem to forget the first internet rule: you will always find a webpage supporting your idea, no matter how crazy it sounds. Do you know we are ruled by lizards, you don't? Awww, here is your daily dose of crazy facts: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2016/08/exposing-the-lizard-illuminati-an-interview-with-david-icke.html.

Pistons
10-24-20, 15:30
Blood types are also a factor here.

People with blood type A and AB are usually hospitalized for 13 days in average. While people with blood type O and be usually get away with just 9 days of hospitalization. Good for me since I am in the latter category. But it is one thing to also keep an eye on.

Mursenary
10-24-20, 18:10
My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?Right, because your post exudes tolerance. Give me a break.

Pessimist
10-24-20, 18:10
My comment was to HammerTime why I cannot agree with him on his "little girls" statement. Wondering why "practical, measured and responsible" (aka "scared") others are triggered from that. Maybe this is the so called "tolerance" of others' opinions?If your post had simply said "I am comfortable with ignoring distancing and masks, I feel my risk tolerance is such that I am comfortable ignoring this virus", no one would say much. At least I won't.

But your comment went a lot farther than that. You ridiculed the guys taking health precautions and played up "bravery" of young hookers. You don't know who has what sort of health, financial, other personal issues. You think you are able to make judgement on every person's personal life and dictate to them what they should do, and if they don't abide by your dictats, you feel qualified to mock them in public forums.

And then you wonder why you received a harsh response to such a comment.

Look, I am not one of those who is in one camp firmly. I recognize the risks posed by the virus to a large enough number of people and I also understand the real, serious economic consequences to millions of people today. There is no easy choice. I am happily distanced in my own life, making good money and comfortably wfh, w / not even the daily commute to worry about. I realize I am lucky and privileged, and I know that not everyone has the same fortune.

What I will not do is ridicule one camp or the other. Those indulging in such mocking deserve everyone's opprobrium, IMO.

Mursenary
10-24-20, 18:13
Again, you are mixing facts with your own fear-inspired fiction. Show me one post by me, where I say that "covid-is-fake. " Show me one, just one post please, where I said that "it's fake!

I never said it was fake, but I refer to facts (not scaremongering fiction!) that the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu. Is this the level of your education so low, that you can not tell the difference between; 1 the infection mortality rate is very similar to the normal flu, and 2 covid-is-fake?

Despite your 'medical background' I see very few links to facts and science in your reports. Why don't you go deeper into the links that I post? What your reports are full of is fear and personal attacks, and you try to gaslight me by suggesting that I said that "covid-is-fake."What's the point when you clearly don't know what is a fact, bastardizing good data. It would be like Elon Musk talking about battery power to a 5th grader playing with a Duracell battery and a light bulb.

Mursenary
10-24-20, 21:02
Editorials, prevalence data, death data, blah blah blah; none of that really means anything during a period where we all can't even agree on what is a fact. All of this bastardization of data and agenda-driven manipulation of them by people who start with a conclusion and letting the conclusion drive their data search rather than letting the data lead you to an unbiased conclusion is the problem in any worthy discussion of the coronavirus threat, as with most other topics.

I'd like to see what pull-out-your-ass rebuttal we'll get when speaking about hospitalization rates, something you hardly ever hear these skeptics talk about. Probably because it's much harder to repudiate the fact that someone with a confirmed positive test is sick enough to be admitted for medical care.

Hospitalizations, totals and trends, all point to an upcoming resurgence of pandemic severity across the globe. Pretty much every non-Nordic European country not named Germany have seen a significant rise in hospitalizations, particularly in central and eastern Europe. The US has also seen anywhere from 1. 5 to double the hospitalizations since September lows. A more startling number, nearly one-third of all hospitalizations are people under 50 years of age and 60% are under 65. Most of the younger will not die but.

US.

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html

EU:

https://covid19-country-overviews.ecdc.europa.eu

It's not about living in fear, it's about being unbiased with the data and acting responsibly accordingly. I personally have very little to fear as I am under 40, very healthy, and have no immediate family to protect, but it's not all about me. Should the economy be considered when making policy decisions? Yes. Does life go on and do I still attend social functions? Yes. Do I make sure to protect others from my respiratory droplets by wearing a mask and keeping physical contact limited? Yes. Should 50 year olds visit sex clubs? That's a personal risk assessment decisions for each person to make, especially if one were to consider his or her own contribution to community spread. Should people who belittle the significance of a real global threat and propose fringe theories as proof and fact be bludgeoned backed into their lairs of selfishness and irrelevance? Abso-fucking-lutely.

If a 50 year old who poses little risk to community spread (aka socially isolated recluse) considers pertinent facts and data while doing things like wearing a fucking mask when he does interact with humans in public decides that his risk of morbidity is worth the sex club experience, then he should have every right to do so. It's the handful of 30-50 year olds here (I presume) that try to extrapolate their own view of their risk profiles to society at large that needs a reality check. Just because you don't see the threat in your personally limited experience does not make your experience a universal reality.

Paulie97
10-24-20, 21:19
You seem to forget the first internet rule: you will always find a webpage supporting your idea, no matter how crazy it sounds. Do you know we are ruled by lizards, you don't? Awww, here is your daily dose of crazy facts: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2016/08/exposing-the-lizard-illuminati-an-interview-with-david-icke.html.And calling certain claims "facts" doesn't make them "facts," which is a favorite angle of Hammer Hammer.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion

Pahllus Maximus
10-24-20, 22:57
As usual, serious discussion gets lost in arid labels and eristile quasi cult positions than any rational basis. Seems to be the way of the world, where nut jobs become arm chair experts on vaccines that have slayed polio, smallpox, tetnus and others. Newsflash: vaccines work. The problem is that like all good science, it takes a shitload of time, failure and money.

Hospitalization rates are distorted because of financial incentives in the USA for some, and no treatement at all for the poor who are terrorized going to a hospital (assuming they even get seen, having no $ or insurance and a bill for a $100,000 for admission), though more useful in countries where treatment is free. Berlin has the Charit - Universittsmedizin. I'd be interested to see how hospitalization rates compare rather than simply assume admission and attribution of causation, such as mobity "by" or "with" COVID. Suppose an eledery person presents with a constellation of pre-existing issues such as chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension, multiple cardiac related issues, emphysema, weak immune system, smoker and COVID, aka a "crumble" ?

Was the latter really the cause or merely the straw that broke the camels back? If so, is the cause weighted for multi-variables or binary? Can we trust the morbidity data anymore than the testing itself and whether it is representative of the population? And who exactly is dying from the dubious attribution? If ageing baby boomers, we have another problem, namely a population bulge so that old age overlaps COVID ascribed deaths. I suggest people here read Nicholas Taleb on how stats are useless in second and third order effects, assuming there is normal distribution in the first place.

As much as clinicians desreve respect, any doctor knows from 1st year about Semmelweis and washing hands between patients. He was ridiculed at the time. The "gold" standards have a pretty chequered history, recent examples including mass prescription of opioids and other iatrogenic harm such as the treatement of diabetes II will pills rather than fixing the underlying lifestyle causes. And lets not start on the brains trust and their aping physicists with fancy nonsense formalas supposedly managing risk and regular bailouts. Or the ratings agencies. And so on.

Skepticism of preisthoods is healthy and necessary, as is regular checking root assumptions and whether the navigation system is working properly. Mursenary assumes a doubling of hospitalizations in winter one in 500, which if true, means we better buys some stocks in funeral home related companies and that hospitals are facing an imminent emergency as will the death industry.

Hillenbrand, Inc. (HI) controls the manufacture of half the coffins in the USA and is not having a boom time, and the average death rates have not budged.

Mursenary correctly states that the trade off discussion on socio-economic is what is needed. COVID is serious. So is opiod deaths: 24 in a 1000 in Ohio (much higher than hospital admissions) roughly 68,000 annually, about a quarter of COVID deaths to date in 2020.

At the rate things are going, airlines, shopping malls and restaurants will be ghosts by 2022. A lot of beautiful young women wanting to trade themselves for our money are deprived, and so are the participants on this board, and those that indirectly depend on the girls income. BJs are good thing, and so is food and sex bringing people together.

Pahllus Maximus
10-24-20, 23:28
Firstly, yeah, FKKs and P4 P is definitely not sensible at this time given the high risk of spreading.

Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.

That's not to say the world is awash with productivity and not enough real livable wage jobs, or rather income distribution. And so we have currency, money printing and trade war of beggar thy neighbor. Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill.

I wonder if we will ever get Bladerunner type pleasure model replicants, ageless, beautiful, disease free, no need for contraception, jealously free, with strong vaginal and anal muscles, suction and an endless repertoire of entertainment and enhanced emotional IQ like Scheherazade to King Shahryar who was so enchanted he fell in love. That would definitely put human hookers out of work.

Pistons
10-25-20, 00:32
Firstly, yeah, FKKs and P4 P is definitely not sensible at this time given the high risk of spreading.

Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.

That's not to say the world is awash with productivity and not enough real livable wage jobs, or rather income distribution. And so we have currency, money printing and trade war of beggar thy neighbor. Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill.

I wonder if we will ever get Bladerunner type pleasure model replicants, ageless, beautiful, disease free, no need for contraception, jealously free, with strong vaginal and anal muscles, suction and an endless repertoire of entertainment and enhanced emotional IQ like Scheherazade to King Shahryar who was so enchanted he fell in love. That would definitely put human hookers out of work.1. So you are basically saying that you prefer the general public to be lied to, over telling them the truth? You know that Niccolo Machiavelli wrote his book The Prince as a parody. But then suddenly died before he got to publish it right? So the context got distorted. What a joke in the grand scheme of time this really has turned into being.

And the truth is so obvious too regarding covid-19 and how it was constructed in the Wuhan lab. One does not need to be an armchair expert (cheap rhetoric) if you hear the interviews of Li-Meng Yan, or israeli or Australian doctors talking about the chances of the four amino acids composing the FURIN cleavage, appearing naturally on the perfect place on the virus.

2. Calling it a financial / currency crisis is also a subjective idea. And I even described how without nailing the terms. Because the system is rigged in order to have these ups and downs. One can even say a down period is part of the game, and it is all about playing the game. The casino. But one can also use such incidents for all sorts of political reasons too. It is not about the term conspiracy*. It is about deep political strategies where a long range of global political think tanks with professors having years of experience are involved. Not armchair experts.

3. I will quote you "Or maybe they will promote drugs to make people passive aka the Matrix and blue pill. " By your definition of a conspiracy theory, you just came up with this one! I am not saying you are right or wrong. To some extent, Ritalin is just one example of one such pill. Used for people with ADHD. Whatever that is? A gene told to be a disease because the schooling system is not made for everyone's instinctive ways of learning things? And where physical activity is not being focussed on enough? Well, guess how much sports there are at the collages for the super rich?

4. We are most likely already living inside a simulation, and this whole covid 19 training exercise is just that. An exercise. Which is why people shouldn't be scared of death. It just means you get to test out another simulation instead. Perhaps one where you are a pharaoh, or Ghengis Kahn, having 10 000 girls in your harem. From all over the world. Or you can jump into his life, and experience how that was. After all, a simulation is a simulation. In the most deterministic sense of the word. So everything in the simulation has already happened. Present and past. Even quantum physics indicates this. But now I forgot where I read that unfortunately. But there is a deeper axis of time, and the one we are experiencing is apparently just an illusion. Again, perfectly explainable in case it is all just a simulation.

5. And finally, you fall into this pit where you misunderstand the concept of the age of the information society. Please do not look at it like an 18th century luddite just because you fear your own guilds information monopoly is at siege. There is a reason why George Soros Open Society is working hard in order to publically open up all peer review studies to everyone. And it is not because the global leaders are bad people. But like in all these other incidents some people call conspiracy theories, the final outcome is an evolution that needs to be done. But the ways there can be questioned. And the information flow. One thing this age we are living in can be defined by, is the idea through which most people think they are smarter than others. The idea that I can handle this, but given this and that, others cannot. But the information society can change that, and question the roots of Narcissism. And it does, either we want it or not.

Pistons
10-25-20, 02:06
The question regarding the ups and downs of interest rates and the monetary system is also essential here. And the best lecturer and author on this is Paul Mason. Where he describes how innovation and / wars (rebuilding and equipment in large scale) revitalizes the monetary system / interest rates.

So the push for a new renewable innovation age through the global warming agenda, or investments in automation in regards to export (due to covid-19), falls into Paul Masons system like a glove. Not to mention the newfound arms race with China.

This is not a conspiracy theory. This is economic theory. Far more advanced than you learn at university, but still economic theory. And it works.

Pessimist
10-25-20, 04:21
At the rate things are going, airlines, shopping malls and restaurants will be ghosts by 2022. A lot of beautiful young women wanting to trade themselves for our money are deprived, and so are the participants on this board, and those that indirectly depend on the girls income. BJs are good thing, and so is food and sex bringing people together.Shopping malls were already dying a slow death (or fast, depends on the specific region, what type of mall, etc) even prior to Covid due to ecommerce. The virus just accelerated a trend.

Airlines and restaurants. No, they will not be ghosts. Ownership will change hands. In the West, there is a well established bankruptcy process, there are hundreds of extremely well funded private equity and vulture investors. Living, thriving, dying is all a part of a time honored business cycle. The planes themselves will not disappear, the pilots will still be there, and so will the airports. When people feel comfortable flying, they will and then the airlines and airports will be ready and waiting. In the meanwhile if Delta or United go bankrupt, all it means is that equity holders get wiped out, and those companies will get recapitalized, other owners and stockholders will step in.

The same will be true for restaurants.

I said in response to Gino. You can't force the response to Covid. You can't force people who are concerned for their health to go to a restaurant or fly or go to a movie theater. Florida and a few other states are in Phase 3 reopening. There are hardly any restrictions, as I understood they don't even have to wear a mask. But does that mean the people of Florida are rushing into packed bars and restaurants? Hardly. It is a fallacy to think economic activity slowed only due to government imposed restrictions. Activity slowed because the consequences of getting infected are real, and most people understand this an not taking chances. Hence economic activity is anemic. Until we have the virus outbreak in control, economic activity will not be ripping. If in the meanwhile shareholders of Delta and United and Pf Chang's and Ruth's Chris Ge wiped out, so what? At some point in the future, they will have new shareholders. And our current socialist government has given enough handouts to all the business groups anyway.

Paulie97
10-25-20, 05:04
Secondly, given Occams razor alternatives of (a) a dark smoked filled room of super villains creating COVID to cover up the bank and currency crisis versus (b) a random event like a pandemic, asteroid strike etc and panicked reaction and the general idiocy of the population (the very existence of religion / casinos and / or supporting 99% of politicians is proof mass delusion), I'd take the latter everytime.Or "false dilemma," whichever you want to call it as there can also be a (c), (d), and so forth. There are other choices, such as that we have a rather serious pandemic that, though at times has created panic in some quarters, has overall seen a calculated response to ease heavy burdens on over stretched hospital resources while seeking to limit lose of life or protracted illness as effective treatments and vaccines are explored. The fact that this is the angle of virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet further supports such an interpretation.

https://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-false-dilemma/

You also had a non-sequitur going in your prior post. Yes it's true that in the US, Medicare, or the socialized health care for those 65 years of age and older pays a 20% "add on" for Covid patients. This is part of the Cares Act, and is partly to make up for lost revenues as many elective surgeries have had to be postponed. But there's no evidence of any widespread fraud, in spite of false information floating around conservative social media. It also doesn't make any sense, as many other countries are also having a lot of trouble with the virus where no such extra funding exists. Plus cases have waxed and waned in the US, and at times very distinctly, something we wouldn't expect if fraud was the norm. What we shouldn't trust is posts like yours in a monger forum. US Center for Disease Control data is far more reliable.

https://www.wral.com/fact-check-do-hospitals-get-paid-more-to-treat-covid-19-patients/19156357/

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Non-Sequitur

Mursenary
10-25-20, 08:39
Hospitalization rates are distorted because of financial incentives in the USA for some, and no treatement at all for the poor who are terrorized going to a hospital (assuming they even get seen, having no $ or insurance and a bill for a $100,000 for admission), though more useful in countries where treatment is free. Berlin has the Charit - Universittsmedizin.Perhaps you are referring to Medicare payments for treating Covid patients popularized by Trumpian surrogates. Inciting Occam's razor would be appropriate here also. For this to be a plausible scam worthy of consideration or any theory of incentivized foul play, one would have to believe that the tens of thousands of clinicians employed as non-incentivized salary and wage earners and independent (Non-hospital affiliated) emergency department groups that staff most ERs are all in on this repayment scam / exploit with the hospital administrators. I have personally not witnessed this nor has the literature shown anything to even suggest that any exploitation is happening to a statistically relevant degree.

As for the poor not seeking appropriate hospital care due to lack of insurance (and I assume would just all be dying in their homes), it would seem that the hospitalization numbers in the US would thus be an undercount of people who actually need the care. The reality, however, is that people home on their sick beds, scared when looking into the eyes of the reaper, eventually make it to the hospital once the symptoms are severe enough, regardless of consideration of any ability to pay and would thus become a part of the hospitalized census.

As such, I stand behind my assertion that hospitalizations are one of the best live indicators of this pandemic's severity.


I'd be interested to see how hospitalization rates compare rather than simply assume admission and attribution of causation, such as mobity "by" or "with" COVID. Suppose an eledery person presents with a constellation of pre-existing issues such as chronic thromboembolic pulmonary hypertension, multiple cardiac related issues, emphysema, weak immune system, smoker and COVID, aka a "crumble" ? Was the latter really the cause or merely the straw that broke the camels back?

If ageing baby boomers, we have another problem, namely a population bulge so that old age overlaps COVID ascribed deaths.Yes the coronavirus is sometimes the "straw that broke the camel's back" in the ill with numerous comorbidities. First, a side note, the tendency to dismiss the importance of the deaths of the old and ill because "they were going to die soon anyway" is both presumptuous and morally repugnant. Second, while comorbidities and Mortality are heavily tied, the image of the already terminally ill nursing home patient catching covid and dying within a month is anecdotal and is barely statistically relevant in the literature. What is more common is the 65-75 year old who has a few comorbidities who would otherwise have a decade or more life left to live. Meanwhile, many detractors are dismissing the deaths of people with comorbidities as an afterthought as if their years left on earth are somehow unimportant, almost a sentiment of "serves them right for being unhealthy in the first place. ".

But I digress. I'll refer again to hospitalizations as one of the best measures of pandemic severity. While mortality rates are heavily skewed towards the elderly, hospitalization rates are pretty well distributed across the lifespan. Currently, in the United States, nearly a third of those hospitalized are under 50 years of age. During the summer months, their share actually eclipsed that of 65+ year olds. And throughout the pandemic, people under 65 have always made up a larger share of hospitalizations than our 65+ elderly.

Refer to data and link in previous post #1751.


As much as clinicians desreve respect, any doctor knows from 1st year about Semmelweis and washing hands between patients. He was ridiculed at the time. The "gold" standards have a pretty chequered history, recent examples including mass prescription of opioids and other iatrogenic harm such as the treatement of diabetes II will pills rather than fixing the underlying lifestyle causes. And lets not start on the brains trust and their aping physicists with fancy nonsense formalas supposedly managing risk and regular bailouts. Or the ratings agencies. And so on.Neither approaches to therapy listed are "gold standard" first line therapies, just widely practiced due to necessity or circumstance (I. E. Patient behavior). The literature has always recommended using the lowest opioid dosages possible for therapeutic effect and in adjunct to non opioid analgesics even discontinuing them altogether as tolerated by the patient. Same with diabetes treatment, lifestyle change is always the recommended first choice intervention if appropriate. The problem arises when patients are non compliant with first line recommendations while still demanding relief and quick fix therapeutics. A physician's job is to make recommendations and provide education, lead the horse to water, not to shove the horse's head in the lake to drink the water.

Regardless, the mention of "gold standard" in my original critique is secondary to the main point; which is that the molecular scientist who authored your article, while performing accurate arithmetic, clearly does not understand that positive predictive values and false positive numbers are only relevant to assessing initial screening quality, while correlation to clinical picture is what determines diagnosis. I will also add that he made too many assumptions as variables and the epidemiological grave error of using estimated prevalence of a disease in an epidemic while the epidemic is still happening. He quoted the British Office of National Statistics prevalence estimates. What is the reasoning behind using an estimated statistic as fact to calculate the validity of a molecular test? Agenda and Bias that's what.


Skepticism of preisthoods is healthy and necessary, as is regular checking root assumptions and whether the navigation system is working properly. Mursenary assumes a doubling of hospitalizations in winter one in 500, which if true, means we better buys some stocks in funeral home related companies and that hospitals are facing an imminent emergency as will the death industry.I was actually being conservative. Currently 460,000 Americans have been already been hospitalized in a nation of 328 million. So the actual rate of hospitalizations is already 1 in 713 Americans. Only 200,000 more hospitalizations and we're at 1 in 500. At the current rate of 2000 hospitalizations per day (which is all but certain to rise during the winter months), we will be at 1/500 hospitalized in less than 100 days. I would even make a wager that America will hit 660 K hospitalizations (1/500) by Christmas. Save your investment in coffins as I reiterate that my main point is that death is not the best measure of morbidity (key word morbidity not mortality), however, hospitalization gives you a fairly accurate measurement of severity. For example, while one study reported 0 non suicide chainsaw fatalities during a 5 year span, they reported 120,000 chainsaw injuries including lacerations, amputations, and misc injuries. The morbidity number in this case is much more relevant in assessing the dangers of chainsaw use.

https://covidtracking.com/data/national/hospitalization


Mursenary correctly states that the trade off discussion on socio-economic is what is needed. COVID is serious. So is opiod deaths: 24 in a 1000 in Ohio (much higher than hospital admissions) roughly 68,000 annually, about a quarter of COVID deaths to date in 2020.
I have no idea how a chronic problem that, ironically enough, had already been declared a national public health emergency by Donal J Trump himself where legislation has already been passed to address what has been deemed a serious issue, has anything to do with the current infectious disease crisis. This statement serves the same purpose as the assholes who, when talking about the pandemic, say "but one million people die from car accidents a year but we don't lock down for that!

Paulie97
10-25-20, 19:33
I have no idea how a chronic problem that, ironically enough, had already been declared a national public health emergency by Donal J Trump himself where legislation has already been passed to address what has been deemed a serious issue, has anything to do with the current infectious disease crisis. This statement serves the same purpose as the assholes who, when talking about the pandemic, say "but one million people die from car accidents a year but we don't lock down for that!True that. And we take actions to curb traffic fatalities, ie. Drunk driving and seat belt laws, speed limits, road signs, traffic lights, vehicle safety inspections, etc. The stream of lame arguments coming out of fake news sources like Fox and other conservative media seems endless. File this one under false analogy. Also the "lockdown" line is often employed as a straw man as that is only recommended as a temporary measure in extreme circumstances. The typical recommendations of course are social distancing, masks, and hand washing.

https://www.thoughtco.com/false-analogy-fallacy-1690850

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Pessimist
10-26-20, 13:28
Just as a data point, not excusing this behavior, but I've heard WGs say they avoid South Asians for several reasons.

- Body odor and lack of hygiene.

- Sexual inexperience.

- Bargaining, wanting everything for the cheapest price.

I can see this from personal experience, if not from stereotypes: The first, from the cuisine. The second, from the sexually repressive culture. The last from the bargaining / marketplace culture.

I've met South Asians in clubs but they give off vibes that run counter to all these -- they're very white, "coconuts" as the slang goes.

We all have to deal with stereotypes, some work in our favor and some work against us, and it's better to neutralize them and get your way than complain about them and not get your way.

WGs have also told me they will discriminate against Black clients not because of size, but because they will more often have pimping aspirations and try to get a girl into their stable. Black clients who don't give off a thug vibe will probably have an easier time with WGs..Stereotypes can obviously be wrong but when a girl is trying to make a sale to an unknown man, stereotypes are all she has. The guy can overcome the stereotype if he is interested in the girl. For example, if as you say South Asian guys can use a nice cologne and body spray, be clean and pleasant, and not haggle like a shyster. The good news is that all these stereotypes are easily dispelled by how they carry themselves.

Yes, it should be obvious that FKK WGs are not girls seeking sex but sellers seeking buyers for their service. As any merchant looking to sell their service, they want (a) easy customers (b) high prices (c) repeat customers (d) less effort on their part to minimize the wear and tear on their body to preserve it for future sales.

Gino02
10-26-20, 15:42
If your post had simply said "I am comfortable with ignoring distancing and masks, I feel my risk tolerance is such that I am comfortable ignoring this virus", no one would say much. At least I won't.

But your comment went a lot farther than that. You ridiculed the guys taking health precautions and played up "bravery" of young hookers. You don't know who has what sort of health, financial, other personal issues. You think you are able to make judgement on every person's personal life and dictate to them what they should do, and if they don't abide by your dictats, you feel qualified to mock them in public forums.

And then you wonder why you received a harsh response to such a comment.

Look, I am not one of those who is in one camp firmly. I recognize the risks posed by the virus to a large enough number of people and I also understand the real, serious economic consequences to millions of people today. There is no easy choice. I am happily distanced in my own life, making good money and comfortably wfh, w / not even the daily commute to worry about. I realize I am lucky and privileged, and I know that not everyone has the same fortune.

What I will not do is ridicule one camp or the other. Those indulging in such mocking deserve everyone's opprobrium, IMO.Aren't you getting bored working only from home? I'm going stir-crazy sitting home and web conferences all day long.

BTW, I won't ridicule if those folks were just saying that they themselves won't go to FKKs now for their own weaker health conditions or other related situations, and didn't try to lecture others who are going. They were (are) kinda lecturing others to not enlist to military just because they think it's risky. After all it's a fight for the existence of our beloved FKK / P6 system LOL.

ExpatLover
10-26-20, 18:46
I worked 5 years + in India and that is really not a stereotype, just advice some guys on this forum to take as many times that I have done it, INDIGO flights sometimes it is impossible to seat next to some people just the smell is terrible. After some experiences and good connections I always choose to seat next to Indian Muslim because with them you never get any problems, sorry for that but it was my hard reality.

Coming back to FKK, we all know girls who will never go with other man than white Christian over 50, also sorry for that but it is the reality, obviously these girls are the most beautiful and they are not desperate to get 50 euros.

Sirioja
10-26-20, 22:21
More exactly some girls don't want to stay because they don't like for some reasons, a few of girls told me: small place, full service level for 50, beers etc etc.

But many girls want to work there and get refused for any reasons, that's true as well.Main reason is many don't want to work for everything for 50 with some Germans reporting to desk when not everything. NL use to spend more, and also waste of time waiting for room. Yes, many Romanian beauties were refused, even they made come Romanians from LR when they didn't get anymore enough girls. LR on 2016/2017 had higher casting than I most often saw at GT where only very few attractive looks. Not number 1 for beauties. GT Vienna casting is more impressive.

Tuber19
10-26-20, 22:40
Its obvious to me that many people don't know what risk is of having Covid 19.

Media focusing on deaths and cases of Covid is just feeding the fear of the virus for everyone while its known as a fact by data that the risk is very very low for the vast majority of people.

Fact ((150,000 people who die each day across the globe)) almost 55 Million each year, and still Covid is treated like the end of the world with many restricted life for everyone and yet we are talking about going back to normal life with 55 million death! That is nonsense.

I know many are scared, if you want to be safe just stay at your house until you get a vaccine I don't mind.

But I don't get why many scared people just want everyone to follow them! Just as if they will not be safe until everyone is safe!! Again nonsense.

I'm not liking thie overreacting to the virus , and I hope a vaccine will arrive soon and this Pandamec comes to an end.

Good Luck and stay safe.

Pessimist
10-26-20, 22:59
Aren't you getting bored working only from home? I'm going stir-crazy sitting home and web conferences all day long.

BTW, I won't ridicule if those folks were just saying that they themselves won't go to FKKs now for their own weaker health conditions or other related situations, and didn't try to lecture others who are going. They were (are) kinda lecturing others to not enlist to military just because they think it's risky. After all it's a fight for the existence of our beloved FKK / P6 system LOL.Of course. 2020 has been a fucking hell, for everyone.

Sometimes I think about all those girls I fucked and wonder if it really happened to me, LOL. Feels unreal.

You pack nearly 8 billion human beings who increasingly over the decades have been rewarded for being more and more social and suddenly ask them to distance, it is a fucking nightmare.

However, I still know I have a privileged life and so many have died and millions more are struggling in multiple ways. Can't wait to say sayonara to this year.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pandemic-fatigue-is-realand-its-spreading-11603704601

Pandemic Fatigue Is Real—And It's Spreading.

ExpatLover
10-27-20, 00:14
EL: I am more afraid by your comment than by the covid. May be have you noticed that this virus seems to be out of control in many parts of the world.

Probably the things will get worse in the coming weeks and may be we will face another quarantine in Europe just because so many people don't respect social distancing. I am afraid that the economical impact will be terrible in the coming months, the biggest winner seems to be China for the moment.

Mursenary
10-27-20, 07:36
EL: I am more afraid by your comment than by the covid. May be have you noticed that this virus seems to be out of control in many parts of the world.

Probably the things will get worse in the coming weeks and may be we will face another quarantine in Europe just because so many people don't respect social distancing. I am afraid that the economical impact will be terrible in the coming months, the biggest winner seems to be China for the moment.No one ever knows to who you are replying. — "Reply with Quote".

Jmioffe
10-27-20, 14:07
On my few weekly visits since soon 8 years, quite many visits all over FKK land, never heard any WGs: German or Romanian, telling me about black pimping, when telling about Balkanians, Turkish, Afghans for German WGs, but many WGs don't want black size, when they have problem with normal Caucasian size and when Asian size is so much easier. WGs seem to have smaller vagina than women in real life who usually seem to enjoy to feel something inside them.The pimping is more a North American phenomenon. I think sex trafficking by black people is less prevalent in Europe. WGs may have the same qualms when a Romanian guy shows up in the club.

Jmioffe
10-27-20, 14:10
I worked 5 years + in India and that is really not a stereotype, just advice some guys on this forum to take as many times that I have done it, INDIGO flights sometimes it is impossible to seat next to some people just the smell is terrible. After some experiences and good connections I always choose to seat next to Indian Muslim because with them you never get any problems, sorry for that but it was my hard reality.

Coming back to FKK, we all know girls who will never go with other man than white Christian over 50, also sorry for that but it is the reality, obviously these girls are the most beautiful and they are not desperate to get 50 euros.That's interesting to hear about Indian Muslims. I wonder if diet is responsible. Indian Muslims eat meat, while Indian vegetarians have to rely on a lot of alliums (onions, garlic, etc) to make food more palatable.

ExpatLover
10-27-20, 14:35
EL: it is not only a problem of diet, we should never forget that in India, 600 millions people (half of the population) don't have a daily access to toilet, that water supply is also a big concern. On top of that some cultural and religion beliefs, some of my Indian Hindu friends told me many times this joke: Indian bath 2 times in their life, birth and death. To be more serious, it is very difficult to imagine that 60 years back India and China were more or less at the same level of development, today China is probably the number one super power with highways, high speed trains everywhere, when at the same time there is no highway, 0 high speed train (train network is still from the British time) in India, and despite a lot of energy spent the things are moving so slowly in the very conservative Indian society.

Mursenary
10-27-20, 14:56
Its obvious to me that many people don't know what risk is of having Covid 19.

Media focusing on deaths and cases of Covid is just feeding the fear of the virus for everyone while its known as a fact by data that the risk is very very low for the vast majority of people.

Fact ((150,000 people who die each day across the globe)) almost 55 Million each year, and still Covid is treated like the end of the world with many restricted life for everyone and yet we are talking about going back to normal life with 55 million death! That is nonsense.

I know many are scared, if you want to be safe just stay at your house until you get a vaccine I don't mind.

But I don't get why many scared people just want everyone to follow them! Just as if they will not be safe until everyone is safe!! Again nonsense.

I'm not liking thie overreacting to the virus , and I hope a vaccine will arrive soon and this Pandamec comes to an end.

Good Luck and stay safe.Try reframing your idea of risk assessment and expand your perception of why these events unfolded as they have in order to understand why this is such a major public health crisis.

1 in 500 1 in 500 people in the western world's general population at large have been hospitalized. Amongst people under 50 years old, 1 in 750. Those numbers will only rise; that's mathematically guaranteed. Mind you, that statistic is with mitigation efforts in place. What if we had kept society 100% open? What would be the rate of hospitalization if the virus was free to spread before we reach herd immunity? 1 in 250? 1 in 100?

Point is, death is not the only consequence worthy of consideration. While I support making attempts to resume society and also share the same criticism of sensational media outlets, we must first, at the very least, recognize the severity of this pandemic in order to understand how serious of a public health crisis this can really be.

Pessimist
10-27-20, 19:04
I treat them as soliloquies arguing with a straw man that he disagrees with; the straw man changes with the nature and topic of the argument.

An example being this present comment from yours truly.

Jmioffe
10-27-20, 19:15
EL: it is not only a problem of diet, we should never forget that in India, 600 millions people (half of the population) don't have a daily access to toilet, that water supply is also a big concern. On top of that some cultural and religion beliefs, some of my Indian Hindu friends told me many times this joke: Indian bath 2 times in their life, birth and death. To be more serious, it is very difficult to imagine that 60 years back India and China were more or less at the same level of development, today China is probably the number one super power with highways, high speed trains everywhere, when at the same time there is no highway, 0 high speed train (train network is still from the British time) in India, and despite a lot of energy spent the things are moving so slowly in the very conservative Indian society.

Ah yeah, Muslims wash a lot more too. Wudu they call it. Lol @ that joke.

Not to get too philsophical but some might argue that China's success versus India's also suggests the limits of the idea that unfettered democracy is better than limited socialism.

JohnReter335
10-27-20, 20:23
Ah yeah, Muslims wash a lot more too. Wudu they call it. Lol @ that joke.

Not to get too philsophical but some might argue that China's success versus India's also suggests the limits of the idea that unfettered democracy is better than limited socialism.Yeah It's called WAZU.

JohnReter335
10-27-20, 20:30
No one ever knows to who you are replying. "Reply with Quote".That's true LOL xD.

ExpatLover
10-27-20, 20:35
Its obvious to me that many people don't know what risk is of having Covid 19.

Media focusing on deaths and cases of Covid is just feeding the fear of the virus for everyone while its known as a fact by data that the risk is very very low for the vast majority of people.

Fact ((150,000 people who die each day across the globe)) almost 55 Million each year, and still Covid is treated like the end of the world with many restricted life for everyone and yet we are talking about going back to normal life with 55 million death! That is nonsense.

I know many are scared, if you want to be safe just stay at your house until you get a vaccine I don't mind.

But I don't get why many scared people just want everyone to follow them! Just as if they will not be safe until everyone is safe!! Again nonsense.

I'm not liking thie overreacting to the virus , and I hope a vaccine will arrive soon and this Pandamec comes to an end.

Good Luck and stay safe.What is sure this virus is quite aggressive, so many top politicians, mayor. Stars got sick and they have all the means to protects themselves. I never listen any politicians and try to make my own opinion taking info from differents sources in French. , English and German, Contrary to all what was said months before the second wave is already there and nothing have changed in the last 6 months, only solution is to quarantine again millions of people with all the terrible consequences: no treatment, no vaccine nothing the same means like in the middle age.

Sirioja
10-27-20, 21:31
The pimping is more a North American phenomenon. I think sex trafficking by black people is less prevalent in Europe. WGs may have the same qualms when a Romanian guy shows up in the club.Never heard about black guys pimping in FKK land, don't know for US paid sex, but I confirm many Romanian WGs don't want to go with Romanian guys, like many German girls don't want to go with Balkanians, Albanians. They go with Turkish, when many German girls are turkish pimped.

Tuber19
10-27-20, 22:19
Try reframing your idea of risk assessment and expand your perception of why these events unfolded as they have in order to understand why this is such a major public health crisis.

1 in 500 1 in 500 people in the western world's general population at large have been hospitalized. Amongst people under 50 years old, 1 in 750. Those numbers will only rise; that's mathematically guaranteed. Mind you, that statistic is with mitigation efforts in place. What if we had kept society 100% open? What would be the rate of hospitalization if the virus was free to spread before we reach herd immunity? 1 in 250? 1 in 100?

Point is, death is not the only consequence worthy of consideration. While I support making attempts to resume society and also share the same criticism of sensational media outlets, we must first, at the very least, recognize the severity of this pandemic in order to understand how serious of a public health crisis this can really be.I do agree with most of what you said BUT I want to disagree on one point (mitigation).

You assumed -as a fact- That mitigation worked well, you think it really did well as number you post suggest that mitigation reduced hospitalization from (1 in 500) to 1 in 250 or 1 in 100 ! Thats huge affect, so you suggest mitigation saved more than have of the population or it is 50% to 80% effective!! I really doubt that. Even a vaccine might not be as much effective as that, I really think the opposite, I think mitigation has limited affect maybe between 2-10 % at most and that's how I can explain why many countries with tight restriction have more deaths per capita than other countries with soft restrictions. Mitigation is like a very weak treatment. It dosent really work.

That said, I know its not a strong argument but its only my view, what I really think is a good point against mitigation is (myFreedom to decide what's best to my heath) I can value my risks and decide whether I want to travel or not, go to work or not, go to the mall or not, wear a mask or not. Etc. Giving politician the power to decide who to go out and when and why is ridiculous.

Paulie97
10-27-20, 22:38
That said, I know its not a strong argument but its only my view, what I really think is a good point is Freedom to decide what's best to me, I can value my risks and decide whether I want to travel or not, go to work or not, go to the mall or not, wear a mask or not. Etc. Giving politician the power to decide who to go out and when and why is ridiculous.In an ideal world you are 100% correct. But sadly there are a lot of stupid people in the world. Just look at any Trump rally. And though civil liberties are important, it's also important to protect societies from stupid people. That would include people who believe they should be able to drive drunk, or stupid people who believe they should be able to stockpile machine guns and grenade launchers. Also US courts have upheld forced hospitalizations of Tuberculosis patients. There's a place for limiting rights, and it's done all the time.

Mursenary
10-28-20, 00:44
I do agree with most of what you said BUT I want to disagree on one point (mitigation).

You assumed -as a fact- That mitigation worked well, you think it really did well as number you post suggest that mitigation reduced hospitalization from (1 in 500) to 1 in 250 or 1 in 100 ! Thats huge affect, so you suggest mitigation saved more than have of the population or it is 50% to 80% effective!! I really doubt that. Even a vaccine might not be as much effective as that, I really think the opposite, I think mitigation has limited affect maybe between 2-10 % at most and that's how I can explain why many countries with tight restriction have more deaths per capita than other countries with soft restrictions. Mitigation is like a very weak treatment. It dosent really work.

That said, I know its not a strong argument but its only my view, what I really think is a good point against mitigation is (myFreedom to decide what's best to my heath) I can value my risks and decide whether I want to travel or not, go to work or not, go to the mall or not, wear a mask or not. Etc. Giving politician the power to decide who to go out and when and why is ridiculous.How quickly we've forgotten NYC, Milan, and Wuhan where hospitals were overrun leading to double digit death rates. Current death rates are less than 1%. That was the effect with no mitigation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7125421/

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-has-dropped-in-recent-months-11603388389

Pahllus Maximus
10-28-20, 01:57
If n in 1000 is the predicted rate of hospitalization, at what point in in the USA is in an emergency reached, or put differently:

When will ICU be overwhelmed? (n in 1000)

When will casualty be overwhelmed? (see above)

What is the crisis rate, and why does colder weather necessarily portend higher incidence?

COVID is real; FKK is a super spreader environment. On the other hand, the economy and our society is in deep shit, and we need to have a real chat about trade offs, in just the same way that dialysis rationing was once playing god. The folks here are smart enough to see all the implicit moral judgements and bastard type arguments "they are old anyway. "; we all received a death sentence at birth. Beyond that is merely statistical. Many people under 30 see this as a bunch of terrified boomers. It does seem heavily tilted to aged care homes and medical crumbles. Deep economic shit can create wars, civil and otherwise. Lack of beautiful young girls to provide fun is sad. So is lack of travel. A morning BJ and pretty smile cheers a fellow up!

Paulie97
10-28-20, 02:05
Even a vaccine might not be as much effective as that, I really think the opposite, I think mitigation has limited affect maybe between 2-10 % at most and that's how I can explain why many countries with tight restriction have more deaths per capita than other countries with soft restrictions. Mitigation is like a very weak treatment. It dosent really work. This is another fake argument circulating around. "Restrictions" are meaningless without effective enforcement and with widespread non-compliance across populations. This for example has been a huge problem in the Americas, in countries such as Colombia and Peru, and in the US and most notably, in my home state of Florida. This was all hashed out BTW in the Colombia forum on the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread while the Fox News crowd kicked and screamed and ignored the evidence. I'm not posting all the links to sources over again, but you are free to go there and dig up the discussions. Bottom line, those guys and their man Trump have been dead wrong, but it's too late for them to admit it as too much is at stake. Is tough, to say the very least, for someone to admit that their wrong opinions and policies have been responsible for the needless deaths of thousands and thousands of people.

Pahllus Maximus
10-28-20, 02:07
Kris was pretty hot. Tight grip, endless suction, can do any position, walk on ceiling, trained in male anatomy and sex tricks, great kisser, and no diseases, COVID, pregnancy, toilet stops, periods, jealousy etc. Just add the chess, chef, massage therapist, psychologist and <insert module, languages, pre-programmed memory/temprament> and you have the perfect mate. Roy messed it up with consciousness, but was compassionate in the end. Themes of slavery abound in history, this was just another take. Still, maybe it would be good for MANkind.

Mursenary
10-28-20, 03:04
If n in 1000 is the predicted rate of hospitalization, at what point in in the USA is in an emergency reached, or put differently:

When will ICU be overwhelmed? (n in 1000)

When will casualty be overwhelmed? (see above)

What is the crisis rate, and why does colder weather necessarily portend higher incidence?.Cold. Concentration indoors. Respiratory spread.

We in the USA have already been overwhelmed twice, once in April, and again in June / July, and are seeing the beginnings of the third episode.

You and everyone here have the same access to google, cdc, ecdc, and who data that I do if you want to determine length of stay, total beds available, and ICU mortality in order to calculate your estimated critical value for the healthcare system to be overwhelmed. It's beyond my scope of expertise. Perhaps you can crunch the numbers and report back to me this time.

Sirioja
10-28-20, 04:04
EL: it is not only a problem of diet, we should never forget that in India, 600 millions people (half of the population) don't have a daily access to toilet, that water supply is also a big concern. On top of that some cultural and religion beliefs, some of my Indian Hindu friends told me many times this joke: Indian bath 2 times in their life, birth and death. To be more serious, it is very difficult to imagine that 60 years back India and China were more or less at the same level of development, today China is probably the number one super power with highways, high speed trains everywhere, when at the same time there is no highway, 0 high speed train (train network is still from the British time) in India, and despite a lot of energy spent the things are moving so slowly in the very conservative Indian society.For Western world, China is number 1 for human rights and freedom for citizens with many who live afraid, also for truth, level of quality and reliability. I don't plan to buy more a MG than a Tata car and Chinese vaccine would not be allowed in France, after tests reliability. Great quality for us. As I told to German Stella at Palace, I brush my teeth only once a year, still having nearly all my real teeth, over 50, and climbing up Agnel 2744 m high on Sunday with snow on road on last kilometer, it was just a day in Paradise when I drove from Koln to South French Alps for this, my best French test, best quality, after really cleaning German autobahn between south Karlsruhe and north Freiburg, even missing more than 50 horsepower, waiting for new engine, Audi accepted to change after 1 year fight.

ShooBree
10-28-20, 06:50
This is another fake argument circulating around. "Restrictions" are meaningless without effective enforcement and with widespread non-compliance across populations. This for example has been a huge problem in the Americas, in countries such as Colombia and Peru, and in the US and most notably, in my home state of Florida. This was all hashed out BTW in the Colombia forum on the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" thread while the Fox News crowd kicked and screamed and ignored the evidence. I'm not posting all the links to sources over again, but you are free to go there and dig up the discussions. Bottom line, those guys and their man Trump have been dead wrong, but it's too late for them to admit it as too much is at stake. Is tough, to say the very least, for someone to admit that their wrong opinions and policies have been responsible for the needless deaths of thousands and thousands of people.You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.

New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.

If you want to save lives; vote Republican!

ExpatLover
10-28-20, 08:48
The pimping is more a North American phenomenon. I think sex trafficking by black people is less prevalent in Europe. WGs may have the same qualms when a Romanian guy shows up in the club.I don't believe that black or muslim or. Have more criminal activities than the other, it is link with the level of poverty and there unfortunately in the poor levels of the society, black, muslim. Are over represented for various reasons, single mothers, number of children in the family (having many children is a gift from god and a gift to god), this is also true for the Romanian girls, very few are coming from wealthy families, despite what some of you believe very few are graduate. Or even are students. I used to walk a lot around the FKK clubs and I can tell you that many times I saw guys after dropping the girls to the clubs, having a drink in a bar or MD and chatting with other girls on a Ipad while her GF was getting fucked for money in the FKK. Maybe this is a modern form of love.

ExpatLover
10-28-20, 10:13
For all those who still can't stay out of the FKK scene, advice them to visit as fast as fast possible, probably this afternoon the German Government will again close all the brothels and I think for a long time may be until June 2021, now I understand better why I saw 2 days back so many Audi, BMW, Mercedes with Rumanian girls onboard driving around Vienna, they are aware of the closing of the brothels so they return home as fast as possible. Their pussy can rest and they will come back as virgin.

BrahmaPoutre
10-28-20, 11:00
If n in 1000 is the predicted rate of hospitalization, at what point in in the USA is in an emergency reached, or put differently:
COVID is real; FKK is a super spreader environment.I know a guy I often met in FKK, more than 65 years old, he visited Sixsens 2 weeks this last summer, one week I was 4 days with him in Sixsens and he went to the room with girls 2 or 3 times everyday then he went also in Nrw sauna clubs this month in the same way, going to the rooms with girls everyday, and he made covid tests between the visits, always negative!

I also met a lot of girls this summer in clubs and hotels both in Switzerland and Nrw, and I haven't developed any symptoms, nothing, not even a little cough! (I live alone and I work at home, so there's no risks for the others).

This virus is really beyond our belief!

Turgid
10-28-20, 14:47
No one ever knows to who you are replying. "Reply with Quote".I've often wondered why EL does not reply with quotes.

ExpatLover
10-28-20, 14:57
I've often wondered why EL does not reply with quotes.Sorry I had a technical issue that I was able to solve yesterday, hopping now it is fine.

Pessimist
10-28-20, 18:41
You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.

New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.

If you want to save lives; vote Republican!Wow. Now Trump campaign managers are seeking votes on ISG. He must be in desperate trouble, LOL.

The states you mentioned are all urbanized, cosmopolitan states with densely packed cities on the coast which saw runaway infections at a time when no controls were in place, no protocols were in place, PPE and other supplies were in shortage, and physicians were still trying to figure out how to treat the virus, and of course there were no medications like Remdesivir or dexaM or other things not to mention the MAB cocktails which Trump ingested (Lysol was however available, at least for the doses needed for drinking if not cleaning).

I find it curious that Trump takes credit for good things that happen at the country level, even international level (such as the BionTech and Oxford vaccines in development) but delegates blame to states and lower levels for things gone awry. One would think the POTUS is responsible for an important thing like national public health (and national economy which is in deep shit at the moment).

Nooky Ninja
10-28-20, 21:13
Is Berlin being locked down now or?Announced today, everything closing (massage, bordellos, clubs, bars, restaurants, theatres, saunas, pools, tourist hotel visits) 2 Nov through end Nov. Further review in mid Nov. Whip has come down; party is over. See www.thelocal.de. Plenty of time to watch Hell's Angles movies.

Sirioja
10-28-20, 21:45
Higher level or educated Romanians or Germans don't work in brothels and not many as escorts. When you look at girls teeth, you can see from which level of life they come from. I remember my 29 yo Romanian at World who had teeth brace when I discovered her, once she told me so proudly: look at my teeth, no more brace, she was lightning smiling.

Gino02
10-28-20, 22:06
Announced today, everything closing (massage, bordellos, clubs, bars, restaurants, theatres, saunas, pools, tourist hotel visits) 2 Nov through end Nov. Further review in mid Nov. Whip has come down; party is over. See www.thelocal.de. Plenty of time to watch Hell's Angles movies.More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cell like Sweden did (sadly losing weak people as part of that), or (2) have repeatedly lockdowns like this. The longer we wait to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up. Let's hope vaccines and treatments actually will work, but who knows when and to what extent? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?

Pahllus Maximus
10-29-20, 01:06
I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!

It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.

What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.

Mursenary
10-29-20, 05:01
You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.

New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.

If you want to save lives; vote Republican!Ah yes, you basically listed states that were / are the main ports of entry for Europeans back in February and March and before social mitigation and appropriate standards of care were developed. What has happened since the summer as these republican states reopened? Oh yes, states you mentioned controlled the spread with less cases, deaths, and hospitalizations per capita than just about every red southern state (where I happen to live and work). Believe me, the only thing that saved my region despite the stupidity here is the fact that the international community has little to no desire to come here. Meanwhile Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Dakotas, etc have been leading the covid charge for the past 5 months. You have been listening to one too many autocratic orange monkey.

ExpatLover
10-29-20, 06:39
I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!

It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.

What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.Not only in the US, usually the big cities have more diversity and migration, those people are extremely manipulated by the social medias, don't be racist, be vegan, use a electric car, LGBT, if you are a couple of men why not asking a Indian woman to have a baby for you (in 1 word they believe in CNN). They are extremely aggressive to defend this model the only problem is when there is quarantine most of them will leave their beautiful cities to the country. Maybe we can also consider that covid is link with number of people per M2, far more in the big cities, by social categories (more prominent is the poorer one, come back to less QM2 available) , by level of education: for example if you are a white Christian, healthy, graduate in your 40 or 50 the risks to die from Covid are very low, in Europe for example the impact of the quarantine is far different if you live in a 300M2 house with 2000 M2 land or in a apartment of 50 M2 in a Paris suburb with 3 children, no terrace.

Rocky V
10-29-20, 10:27
You are incorrect. And the truth is that the worst affected states in the US been governed by Democrats. Let's talk about the failures of Andrew Cuomo. It's shameful how you are trying to politicize the failures of the Democrats and blame it on Trump.

New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut are the worst affected states in USA and all are governed by the Democrats.

If you want to save lives; vote Republican!Wait but I'm old enough to remember that McDonald Trump said that the virus would disappear by April or at least with the hot weather. McDonald Trump also said that the 15 people who tested positive in the US would soon become 5 and then 2 and then 0. Are you saying he lied about it? I'm also old enough to remember that McDonald Trump squeezed his brain so much to come up with a effective therapy against Covid-19 that he first suggested to use a flu vaccine to vaccinate against Covid-19 (ignoring they are two different viruses) and then an old good injection of bleach for the very sick ones. He also said that the only reason we have cases it is because we test and that if we didn't test, we would have no cases (almost as if testing would give people Covid! I'm also old enough to remember that McDonald Trump is so annoyed that all the news are currently focussed on Covid, which has killed almost 250,000 americans while they were not talking about a fake plane crash that killed 500. You want 4 more years of this? Wow!

Mr Ho
10-29-20, 12:31
I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!

It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.

What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.Why can't Europeans stay home instead of protesting on the street with bunch of people, wear mask and stop or limit socializing? LOL Are they that difficult?

Mr Ho
10-29-20, 13:36
I don't believe that black or muslim or. Have more criminal activities than the other, it is link with the level of poverty and there unfortunately in the poor levels of the society, black, muslim. Are over represented for various reasons, single mothers, number of children in the family (having many children is a gift from god and a gift to god), this is also true for the Romanian girls, very few are coming from wealthy families, despite what some of you believe very few are graduate. Or even are students. I used to walk a lot around the FKK clubs and I can tell you that many times I saw guys after dropping the girls to the clubs, having a drink in a bar or MD and chatting with other girls on a Ipad while her GF was getting fucked for money in the FKK. Maybe this is a modern form of love.Well France just declared religious warfare on all Muslim people and the war began in church and street of France it seems! Crazy thing is going on in that nation France, crazy!

McAdonis
10-29-20, 14:47
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cell like Sweden did (sadly losing weak people as part of that), or (2) have repeatedly lockdowns like this. The longer we wait to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up. Let's hope vaccines and treatments actually will work, but who knows when and to what extent? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?It is too early to declare the Swedish experiment a success or failure. Even Sweden has repeatedly said that this is a marathon and not a sprint. Sweden took a "light approach" with their restrictions. But has that resulted in the virus being exposed to a majority of its 10 million citizens? As of mid-June:


Around 14 percent of people in the Stockholm region, or around one in seven, had antibodies for Covid-19 according to samples provided by private healthcare provider Werlabs.

The company analyzed 50,000 samples between May and mid-June. The samples belong to private individuals and companies who have offered tests to their staff a service Werlabs provides in certain (mostly urban) regions for the price of 750 kronor for private individuals.

https://www.thelocal.se/20200618/one-in-seven-stockholmers-had-coronavirus-antibody-in-private-tests
For reference, London over the same time period was at 13 percent: https://www.imperial.nhs.uk/about-us/news/largest-home-antibody-testing-publishes-results.

In general, restrictions result in less circulation and exposure of the virus. But the data seems to show that less restrictions did not result in increased spread of the virus in Stockholm. One possible explanation: Swedish voluntarily complied with the governments "recommendations" and have done a better job at socially distancing themselves and reducing spread. We can see this compliance versus coercion argument with parenting. For example, with one child you might be able to get away with a gentle recommendation, "Son, it would be great if you didn't play video games and studied". With another child, you wouldn't be able to use such a "light approach". You would literally need to lock them in a room and take away their video game console (and even that is no guarantee that they would study).

I am cheering for Sweden. I would love to see updated studies that show that 80 percent of the Stockholm population had already contracted the virus and 99 percent had already recovered. That would be good news for the world. Hasn't happened yet. Scientists have already said that re-infection is extremely rare (at least being re-infected within a six month timeframe). So if most people in Sweden had contracted the virus in the spring, then Sweden's new infections should not be surging at this moment. Looking at the data, the surge of new infections in Sweden cannot be attributed to increased testing. We are now in week 44 of 2020. Week 36 was the week Sweden vindicated their lockdown strategy and proved the world wrong, conducting 126188 tests with a positivity rating of 1 percent. Week 43, Sweden conducted 164742 tests, with positivity rating over 5 percent. If number of tests are increased, then you would want the positivity rating to go down or at least remain constant. https://opendata.ecdc.europa.eu/covid19/testing/xml/.

BTW, Weeks 35-38, when Sweden's positivity rate was in the 1-2 percent range, coincides with the Swedish summer tradition of going to the family summer home, which 50 percent of the population has access to. So a benefit of being the third largest country in the EU by land mass, and having only a population of 10 million is that you can socially distance with your family: https://sweden.se/culture-traditions/the-swedish-summer-house-a-love-affair/.

ShooBree
10-29-20, 15:07
Wow. Now Trump campaign managers are seeking votes on ISG. He must be in desperate trouble, LOL.

The states you mentioned are all urbanized, cosmopolitan states with densely packed cities on the coast which saw runaway infections at a time when no controls were in place, no protocols were in place, PPE and other supplies were in shortage, and physicians were still trying to figure out how to treat the virus, and of course there were no medications like Remdesivir or dexaM or other things not to mention the MAB cocktails which Trump ingested (Lysol was however available, at least for the doses needed for drinking if not cleaning).

I find it curious that Trump takes credit for good things that happen at the country level, even international level (such as the BionTech and Oxford vaccines in development) but delegates blame to states and lower levels for things gone awry. One would think the POTUS is responsible for an important thing like national public health (and national economy which is in deep shit at the moment).Oh, and you must be Fredo Cuomo trying to campaign for Biden.

How could anyone vote for Biden or the Democratic Party when they so clearly refuse to take any responsibility for their failures?

To paraphrase Biden; "if you don't vote for Trump you're not White".

Gino02
10-29-20, 16:28
I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:

More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?

Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020 when I suggested to block all Asians, mainly people from China, into other countries (and since this is after all an FKK forum, block them from FKKs). They need to understand that if we had blocked Asians back then (not just in FKKs but everywhere outside Asia), we probably could have limit spread of the virus locally in Asia, as opposed to having it as a global pandemic. Since we (countries) didn't do it in time, now the virus has spread every corner of the world, we lost that initial opportunity of isolating it locally. Now we are at a different phase where we need to counter the virus head-on, hiding in our basements will only delay the inevitable but will damage more in the longer run (think this way: In the Swedish way, I may have lost my beloved grandpa, but at least all his kids and grandkids would have had the natural immunity built by now and they would survive, but since we did the lockdowns which reduced the natural immunity (instead of increasing it) of the whole family, now more members of the family are in risk category and we may lose more of them including my beloved grandpa). If (I seriously hope not) there is another new deadly pathogen comes from another country, I still strongly believe that we should ASAP first try to isolate the source country before it gets spread everywhere; and establishments (airlines, clubs, bars, restaurants etc etc) shouldn't wait for the slow-moving governments to act quickly in blocking people from that country, albeit hopefully governments will also act before it is too late. Some people think this approach is racist, I think it is a prudent approach to isolate the people from the source country (any country, be in Germany, France, USA, China whichever) from rest of the world.

I look forward for a civil discussion on this "moving forward" topic, without any name-calling or angry or political comments please. Interestingly, one very nice Asian guy I met last weekend in a party said about the lockdowns: "Dude, it's called natural selection. I am not staying in scared shit waiting to die."

Mongerer88
10-29-20, 17:51
Just genuinely curious.

If everything in and about the USA Is as bad as you continuously post, and everywhere else (especially Germany) is so great, then why don't you immigrate?


I shall check and report back on and in 1000 = kaput!

It is silly to talk about the two corrupt franchises, labelled democrat and republican. They are totally bipartisan on money, power, payoffs and ensuring there is no effective capital gains tax, and expert at getting people to confuse possibility with probability. The key thing is people voting against immediate, likely, economic self interest rather than aspiration. Same reason people go to casinos despite impossible odds. Or people go nuts over sports teams that have no geographic connection and are just commercialized entertainment. This is done by throwing lots of idiotic red-herring moral "issues" about the population seizes upon. Moral issues are best, no clear answers, high emotion, keeps the population divided and fighting against each other rather than thinking about immediate and practical economic and housing security.

What we can say is that the biggest states in population, CA and NY have more brand loyalty to the democrat label (that like the other lot serves up the same distractions). We can also say the the UK and USA is a disgrace in per capita sickness and death by COVID compared to Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Thailand, Australia and Japan. That seems to be a function of greed over monetizing health that both entertainment franchises support. The reasons are more complex than binary X versus Y. Bleating franchise labels misses the point; as a country, we phucked up, and phucked it badly.

Paulie97
10-29-20, 18:46
Ah yes, you basically listed states that were / are the main ports of entry for Europeans back in February and March and before social mitigation and appropriate standards of care were developed. What has happened since the summer as these republican states reopened? Oh yes, states you mentioned controlled the spread with less cases, deaths, and hospitalizations per capita than just about every red southern state (where I happen to live and work). Believe me, the only thing that saved my region despite the stupidity here is the fact that the international community has little to no desire to come here. Meanwhile Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Dakotas, etc have been leading the covid charge for the past 5 months. You have been listening to one too many autocratic orange monkey.It's ironic getting lectured here by Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives of 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate as it's neighbor Norway, in a fool's errand chasing herd immunity. And yes, the Fox News pundits want to talk about NYC while they completely ignore the exemplary job New Yorkers did breaking the curve, and did so using the very public health measures that Fox and the Trump cult claim do not work.

And the politicizing of course has been done by the wannabe dictator Trump, his corrupt inner circle and his followers as they've downplayed the Covid situation in an attempt to stay in power. The result has been the lose of untold 1000's of lives.

Americans go vote. This is not one to sit out.

Pessimist
10-29-20, 19:27
Oh, and you must be Fredo Cuomo trying to campaign for Biden.

How could anyone vote for Biden or the Democratic Party when they so clearly refuse to take any responsibility for their failures?

To paraphrase Biden; "if you don't vote for Trump you're not White".Actually I have voted GOP 80% of my life but based on the "intelligence" you displayed here, you must fit in the dominant demographic that votes for Trump.

Pessimist
10-29-20, 19:38
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cell like Sweden did (sadly losing weak people as part of that), or (2) have repeatedly lockdowns like this. The longer we wait to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up. Let's hope vaccines and treatments actually will work, but who knows when and to what extent? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?You can wish for anything but your wish will not come true in W EU. It might in the US if Trump wins. He is already advocating for a severe reduction of testing and if he does win, testing will be curtailed, true case #s will be unknown, and death tolls, hospitalizations, other health issues will be whatever they will be, until we achieve this so called herd immunity (on its own, with the help of a vaccine, whatever, whenever).

I think US private sector will protect their workers, at least the high paying white collar jobs will be. They will WFH. There is not even any discussion in my company about when workers will be asked to come back to office. If anyone feels uncomfortable and wants to wfh indefinitely, there is no question that request will be granted. Blue collar, manufacturing, essential and other workers can fend for themselves.

I don't know any other Western nation which will follow that path though. Asians like JP / KR / TW have clammed up, and will keep it close. Developing nations such as Brazil, India are already like Sweden and in any case it is almost impossible to truly lock down such countries. I would not at all be surprised if herd immunity will be achieved earlier in those nations (they also tend to be young).

Paulie97
10-29-20, 19:42
Not only in the US, usually the big cities have more diversity and migration, those people are extremely manipulated by the social medias, don't be racist, be vegan, use a electric car, LGBT,.And conservative minded people aren't manipulated by social medias?

Pessimist
10-29-20, 20:27
I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:

More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?.Haha there is a name to the "Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020" and that is me. And back then you specifically advocated people w / Asian look should be banned from FKKs. I then asked if that applied to Asians who were already in Germany for a few weeks, for a few months, even years. Furthermore was it not the logical conclusion then to round up all Asians who were living in DE at that time (and in fact all western nations) and deport them to their fatherlands? You never answered that specific question, as you always dodge the direct question for obvious reasons. But if an Asian guy should be stopped at the FKK door, he is equally dangerous for the rest of the society and should be banned.

I repeatedly said "countries have full freedom to enforce visa / entry policies as they please but once a guy is allowed inside the country it is evil to enforce a differentiated policy". You can keep doing your strawman arguments Gino, but the simple reality is that you cannot have it both ways. If a guy is dangerous to the girls and guys inside a club, he is just as dangerous outside the club. Why don't you have boldness to just proclaim loudly that you wanted all Asians from Western nations to be deported in Jan / Feb, that was your desire at that time? This site allows freedom of expression god bless them, you should state what is on your mind clearly. Why by PC?

Paulie97
10-29-20, 20:59
I am cheering for Sweden. I would love to see updated studies that show that 80 percent of the Stockholm population had already contracted the virus and 99 percent had already recovered.With all the fake news and pseudo-science floating around cyberspace you probably could find something to that effect with minimal effort. That said, cheerleading isn't going to help. Trump proves that beyond all doubt. Following the guidelines encouraged by virtually every contagious disease specialist on the planet is what is going to help.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

ExpatLover
10-29-20, 21:05
And conservative minded people aren't manipulated by social medias?Yes of course but I lived 20 years in many countries including US, China, India, Brazil, so maybe I have a little bit of understanding of really maters, for example what is happening today in France, Spain, Italy, Germany, . Will end very badly and it has already started, now if you consider that safety is not a priority, if you consider that a woman can't wear a short dress in a public bus after 10 PM, like in many big cities in Europe. It is your choice but not my choice.

Pessimist
10-29-20, 21:13
It's ironic getting lectured here by Shoo Bree, a Swede.Jeez, he is a Swede? Fuck!

Wtf is he yapping about Biden and Trump? Next time he talks about US politics, I will show him my middle finger LOL.

Pessimist
10-29-20, 21:22
And conservative minded people aren't manipulated by social medias?You are quite right, Paulie. My observation is that the most manipulated of all the people are the ones who continuously bemoan that others are manipulated?

If one has his own, sensible brain that person can read an opinion, either agree / disagree, reply with a concurrence / disagreement / or ignore it altogether. But some pompous people hold forth that anyone who disagrees with them on any topic is necessarily manipulated. Usually, they also tend to be the ones making the most irrational arguments completely detached from reality.

Sirioja
10-29-20, 22:26
Why can't Europeans stay home instead of protesting on the street with bunch of people, wear mask and stop or limit socializing? LOL Are they that difficult?What do you know about France? We have so many muslims in France and I think most are very happy to live in France, rather than in their own origin. But yes, we are in war against terrorism, integrism, we can't let these barbares cut a 70 yo woman throat or another woman killed kicked many times with a knife today in a Christian church. These guys are not men, just terrorists, at 18 or 21 yo.

Paulie97
10-29-20, 23:42
More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment, these lockdowns are going to be part of life.No one is advocating for "lockdowns," except as a temporary measure in extreme situations. What is advocated is masks, social distancing, testing, and limitations on crowds while we explore effective treatments and vaccines. Also Sweden is not a success.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition

Pessimist
10-30-20, 00:58
It is too early to declare the Swedish experiment a success or failure..I wonder how or who will ever judge whether this experiment is a success or failure.

Every country is different in so many ways. Geography, demographics, pop density, economic conditions, health infrastructure, government spending on healthcare, on and on.

If outcomes are different, how does any one attribute the end result to one specific thing such as the action the government / country took with regards to lockdown, and not other things which make Sweden different from others?

ANd what is success / failure? Economic? Health outcomes? Would that be deaths, absolute # deaths, death / populations, deaths / infection, something else? What about # infected and their long term health conditions? Those will not be known for a long time.

And who makes this judgement and proclaim like Moses on the mountain "behold, I declare Sweden a success / failure" -- this thing is so fucking political. Whatever anyone says, it will be disputed by the other half.

In the end, Sweden is just one more country, a country with half the population of Florida, that is taking up too much of the globe's attention. So, they chose some plan. Good for them. I think they will end up somewhere in the middle, neither the best nor the worst on many of the measurement axis, and nothing will be conclusively proven.

Paulie97
10-30-20, 01:57
And who makes this judgement and proclaim like Moses on the mountain "behold, I declare Sweden a success / failure" -- this thing is so fucking political. Whatever anyone says, it will be disputed by the other half.It's only political, in the US that is, because a petulant, childish sociopath is running for a second term as president. He decided to ignore his own CDC and all contagious disease specialists at his disposal and hire a wholly unqualified herd immunity quack (radiologist) because he felt such an outlook better suited his re-election prospects. And, sadly, there is an abundance of bigoted, poorly educated folks in the US that believe anything he and his preferred media sources tell them. It hasn't been particularly political in Asia because people tended to just follow science and reasonable government protocols, and all often to good ends. As to Sweden, follow the evidence. Yes argument is inevitable. Unreasonable people always yell the loudest and fight to the bitter end. They are a sure bet for the last word in an internet discussion. But all arguments aren't created equally. Comparing Sweden to their Nordic neighbors is especially embarrassing, but there's much more.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

Mr Ho
10-30-20, 02:48
What do you know about France? We have so many muslims in France and I think most are very happy to live in France, rather than in their own origin. But yes, we are in war against terrorism, integrism, we can't let these barbares cut a 70 yo woman throat or another woman killed kicked many times with a knife today in a Christian church. These guys are not men, just terrorists, at 18 or 21 yo.I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.

Mr Ho
10-30-20, 05:49
I wrote this in the Artemis thread, but it really belongs to this thread. So here you go again, with slight modifications:

More and more I seriously think that unless countries follow the successful Swedish experiment (which is kinda a like a successful medical lab experiment, in a smaller size of population compared to most countries), these lockdowns are going to be part of life. Choices are very simple, (1) learn to live with the virus and strengthen your immunity by antibody and T-cells like Sweden did (sadly losing a lot of weak people as part of that, but quickly achieving a low death rate of less than 0.3 deaths per million population which is steady for 3 months now, whereas death rates are creeping up in all countries who had imposed some sort of lockdowns since the beginning of this virus), or (2) have repeated lockdowns like this. The longer we delay to implement (1), more deaths and economic issues will pile up and we will have total deaths more than compared to the proverbial "biting the bullet" in the first time. Let's hope vaccines and treatments will actually work, but who knows when and to what extent (reminds me of the state of vaccines and treatments for AIDS, SERS, MERS etc. Viruses)? Vaccines are a mild variation of (1) anyway, right?Europeans are too selfish to follow lock down procedure or wear masks, which resulted in many death! It is not in their culture and nature to be disciplined, so Swedish method can be considered!

Sirioja
10-30-20, 06:54
If letting half French population getting infected, when nobody is sure about immunity after, some were infected twice, then French doctors plan for about 400000 deaths, when we have around 40000 which is already too many, when Sweden and Stockholm have one of the highest rate, when they kill many old people, when 85% of our dead in France are over 70 yo, when NL prefer to confine now for this second wave when they didn t for first. So, confine in Bavaria, again in France and they should extend to at least 6 weeks for us. Job was more complicated about safety since mid March and will be more and more complicated. Wish can ski for Christmas, when climbed for 5 months and wish for last one tomorrow.

ExpatLover
10-30-20, 07:57
It is too late, the numbers and demography are making all the differences (France has the biggest Muslim population in Europe) it is impossible to solve that problem, it is not to say that all the Muslim are criminals far from that, but al the terrorists today in France are Muslim, for decades Christian, Jude, Hindu, Orthodox never beheaded somebody in France. How many terror attacks in Hungary, Poland, Slovenia. Why? Several years back I decided to sell all my assets in France and to move to a country where the life is like decades back in France, now also here the real-estate is skyrocketing because many French, Italian, Belgium, Dutch, German want also to live here. One of the highest ranking French police officer just bought a house not far from me, I asked him why, he laughed at me and answered for the same reasons than you.

SobeLizard
10-30-20, 08:17
No one is advocating for "lockdowns," except as a temporary measure in extreme situations. What is advocated is masks, social distancing, testing, and limitations on crowds while we explore effective treatments and vaccines. Also Sweden is not a success.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition100% Bullshit talk.

ShooBree
10-30-20, 08:36
It's ironic getting lectured here by Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives of 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate as it's neighbor Norway, in a fool's errand chasing herd immunity. And yes, the Fox News pundits want to talk about NYC while they completely ignore the exemplary job New Yorkers did breaking the curve, and did so using the very public health measures that Fox and the Trump cult claim do not work.

And the politicizing of course has been done by the wannabe dictator Trump, his corrupt inner circle and his followers as they've downplayed the Covid situation in an attempt to stay in power. The result has been the lose of untold 1000's of lives.

Americans go vote. This is not one to sit out.5000 didn't die because of the virus, 5000 who died did test positive for the COVID-19. That's a huge difference, Sweden would have had a lot less deaths if they counted the same way as other countries.

It's a little bit comical how afraid you're of a virus that has no effect on normal people.

Thank you for the laughs, so you're actually praising New York, the Corona Capital of the World. Thanks for the laugh, I'm glad that we in Sweden handled this so much better. New York really has a lot to learn from Sweden and our handling of the Coronavirus. I'm glad that we are doing so much better than the states governed by the Democrats.

No masks, no lockdowns and we're not even close to being the worst affected country. That's a great success. The World should follow our great strategy, instead of doing crazy experiments.

Americans should go vote, vote against the irresponsible and failed Democrats.

ShooBree
10-30-20, 08:46
Actually I have voted GOP 80% of my life but based on the "intelligence" you displayed here, you must fit in the dominant demographic that votes for Trump.I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone like you.

ShooBree
10-30-20, 08:52
No one is advocating for "lockdowns," except as a temporary measure in extreme situations. What is advocated is masks, social distancing, testing, and limitations on crowds while we explore effective treatments and vaccines. Also Sweden is not a success.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

You can repeat lies over and over if you like. This is Trump's MO, and admittedly it's an effective strategy to use with poorly educated people. No one will stop you, but all should know that repeating untruths over and over will never turn them into truths.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-RepetitionIt's hilarious how CNN and the Democrats have manipulated you so easily thanks to your fear, weakness and poor education. You should change your username to Fredo.

Sweden is a lot better off than most other countries in Europe when considering the current trends.

Let's just admit it, the lockdowns failed.

Pahllus Maximus
10-30-20, 09:13
Mongerer88: it's emigrate (leave) rather than immigrate. As a matter of fact, I am thinking of that, joining Peter Theil (PayPal) and Steve Wozniak (co-founder of Apple), one of the founders of Google and several Wall St billionaires who have chosen New Zealand as home, getting a passport and buying housing. The list is long. I'm in good company. And have a look as USD currency pairs while you are at it. Furthermore, the UK and US are a covid disaster. That's just fact. And why we travel the world as pussy hounds is because US women are not up to snuff.

Some rough facts Mursenary queried:

USA: 924 k beds for a population of 328 million, so one bed for every 354 people, and 36.3 m annual admissions. Hospitals hit 100% theoretic capacity at 0. 002817073% of the population getting sick and needing to be hospitalized. Not all beds are the same. ICU beds are much shorter supply, about 80 k beds.

I plucked this from https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals.

Some definitions seem wonky, - the ratios do not make sense. From the looks of it, an admission to a US hospitals costs $30.6 k on average. Median is unknown.

A more detailed report is here:

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-prepared-is-the-us-to-respond-to-covid-19-relative-to-other-countries/#item-hospital-beds-per-1000-population-total-and-by-curative-care-and-rehabilitative-beds-2016.

Putting the usual labels aside, we did phuck it up. Let's start fixing it. Starting with slowing new cases (duh !)

ShooBree
10-30-20, 09:28
Ah yes, you basically listed states that were / are the main ports of entry for Europeans back in February and March and before social mitigation and appropriate standards of care were developed. What has happened since the summer as these republican states reopened? Oh yes, states you mentioned controlled the spread with less cases, deaths, and hospitalizations per capita than just about every red southern state (where I happen to live and work). Believe me, the only thing that saved my region despite the stupidity here is the fact that the international community has little to no desire to come here. Meanwhile Texas, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Dakotas, etc have been leading the covid charge for the past 5 months. You have been listening to one too many autocratic orange monkey.It's funny how you Democrats always have an excuse and never a solution.

The worst affected states are still the blue ones, come back when that has changed.

The point is that the Democrats failed to make it better than the red states.

Mursenary
10-30-20, 15:08
USA: 924 k beds for a population of 328 million, so one bed for every 354 people, and 36.3 m annual admissions. Hospitals hit 100% theoretic capacity at 0. 002817073% of the population getting sick and needing to be hospitalized. Not all beds are the same. ICU beds are much shorter supply, about 80 k beds.

Some definitions seem wonky, - the ratios do not make sense. From the looks of it, an admission to a US hospitals costs $30.6 k on average. Median is unknown.You probably meant 0.28%. Point remains, not a lot of space considering many of those beds are designated for speciality services such as obstetrics and pediatrics. Then you still have to staff those units with physicians, nurses, and ancillary staff needed to care for these patients (Hospitals never retain enough staff to operate at 100% capacity.) There was a reason why, back in June, my hospital needed to construct an auxiliary field hospital in the parking lot staffed by the National Guard and temporary, contract physicians and nurses. My ICU (a major metropolitan hospital) is already over normal census with mostly non-covid patients. As covid hospitalizations rise and flu season sets in, there's a strong possibility that we're screwed if people continue to refuse to take precautions. Let's see what happens when families congregate during American Thanksgiving and then Christmas.

Paulie97
10-30-20, 18:12
100% Bullshit talk.That's a very sophisticated comeback. How was the Trump rally?

Oregon97
10-30-20, 18:27
It's only political, in the US that is, because a petulant, childish sociopath is running for a second term as president. He decided to ignore his own CDC and all contagious disease specialists at his disposal and hire a wholly unqualified herd immunity quack (radiologist) because he felt such an outlook better suited his re-election prospects. And, sadly, there is an abundance of bigoted, poorly educated folks in the US that believe anything he and his preferred media sources tell them. It hasn't been particularly political in Asia because people tended to just follow science and reasonable government protocols, and all often to good ends. As to Sweden, follow the evidence. Yes argument is inevitable. Unreasonable people always yell the loudest and fight to the bitter end. They are a sure bet for the last word in an internet discussion. But all arguments aren't created equally. Comparing Sweden to their Nordic neighbors is especially embarrassing, but there's much more.

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/Interesting that so many people are talking about Sweden, especially those who know nothing about Sweden. I live in Sweden and the health authorities have said masks are useless for ordinary people (in line with scientific evidence until March of this year when suddenly every politician decided they know better than 100 years of medical expertise) so I am grateful for that. The only reason authorities mandate masks is to lower the oxygene flow to the brain so people will stop critical thinking. As for lock-downs the evidence is clear that it does not work, still countries try it a second time. The whole thing is mind-boggling.

Mursenary
10-30-20, 18:41
It's funny how you Democrats always have an excuse and never a solution.

The worst affected states are still the blue ones, come back when that has changed.

The point is that the Democrats failed to make it better than the red states.LOL, it's called critical thinking and living in the present. NY, NJ, and Mass have have controlled the outbreak as well as any Nordic or Asian countries since the initial outbreak. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and all of the Trump midwest took the protected head start and continue to bath in covid infested respiratory droplets at every redneck Trump rally.

Never even voted for a Democrat in my life until just 2 hours ago. People who think the way you are presenting, demigod worship and lack of nuance in data analysis, have killed the Republican brand. Perhaps rational conservatives can fill the void and undo the damage that these anglo-centric nationalists have done.

Mursenary
10-30-20, 18:56
Interesting that so many people are talking about Sweden, especially those who know nothing about Sweden. I live in Sweden and the health authorities have said masks are useless for ordinary people (in line with scientific evidence until March of this year when suddenly every politician decided they know better than 100 years of medical expertise) so I am grateful for that. The only reason authorities mandate masks is to lower the oxygene flow to the brain so people will stop critical thinking. As for lock-downs the evidence is clear that it does not work, still countries try it a second time. The whole thing is mind-boggling.Sure seems to be working in east asian countries and Oceana including Australia and New Zealand.

Pessimist
10-30-20, 19:04
I'll take that as a compliment coming from someone like you.You should, because you will not get too many more. BTW, why the fuck is a Swedish bloke yukking up about a country he knows nothing about? Did you pay a dime of tax in this country? I realize you may find some fraternity with the Proud Boys gang but until you pay you don't get to play. Come back to talk to us when you have a US citizenship and paid some taxes. Until then you are just a foreigner who has an opinion about American politics, which everyone in the world seems to have. Your view counts for something if you have a vote, which you don't. Thank god, because we have already enough idiots in our own country.

McAdonis
10-30-20, 19:21
I wonder how or who will ever judge whether this experiment is a success or failure.

Every country is different in so many ways. Geography, demographics, pop density, economic conditions, health infrastructure, government spending on healthcare, on and on.

If outcomes are different, how does any one attribute the end result to one specific thing such as the action the government / country took with regards to lockdown, and not other things which make Sweden different from others?

ANd what is success / failure? Economic? Health outcomes? Would that be deaths, absolute # deaths, death / populations, deaths / infection, something else? What about # infected and their long term health conditions? Those will not be known for a long time.I suspect if a broad cross section of countries adopted the Swedish model, we would see mixed results tbh. Since mid June, all the Schengen countries moved toward the Swedish model simply by reopening, did they not? Despite implementing a lockdown earlier in the year, I believe Czech Republic is closer to herd immunity than Sweden. If the world wants to know what happens when a large percentage of population has been infected, I say look at Czech Republic, not Sweden.

Pahllus Maximus
10-30-20, 23:24
Mursenary is correct, many of the "beds" are specialized and secondly beds without highly trained people that go with them are useless furniture, and when that is factored in, then it is easy to see why governments around the world clamped down, fearing hospitals being overrun. Whatever may be the case 6 months later with better data / testing and hindsight, when they started this COVID was a big black box, and they rationally made the right call. With winter coming, and clinical realities referred to, yeah, there is a big problem in the USA.

Putting aside useless entertainment franchise labels (known as political parties), the two brands in the USA (and the UK, and some others) screwed it up. Other countries devoid of the major US brands fared much better, in the case of NZ and Taiwan, over a 100 fold LOWER in per capita rates compared to UK / USA. My guess is the reasons are structural. The stats I referred to shows the USA has fewer per capita doctors and a hell of a lot more bureaucrats in hospitals, probably dealing with Byzantine insurance duplication and inefficiencies.

As for the future of the USA, Glenn Greenwald (of Snowden and other highly controversial exposes) just quit a journal, complaining that his articles about Biden family cash-for-access by Russian gangster (putting aside legal niceties) was met by official Biden silence and the mainstream and / or social media did indeed censor it. This is not a political advertisment, but an observation that the media is selective and not some priesthood of impartiality. The schism between say NPR and Fox news merely represents different tribes in their respective echo chambers.

Who ever is in control after next week faces an economic meltdown, and polarized, angry society that needs to be less shrill, more rational and focus on practical issues like liveable wages, economic opportunity, housing, nutrition, health and happiness rather than moral nonsense, idiotic slogans, race and hatred. The administration/congress will be forced to have a huge fiscal expansion, and hopefully go direct to households and bypass the banksters and hustlers.

It is well to blame politicians of all varieties for greed and corruption, but their behavior exists because we tolerate it and vote them in. All of that coupled with a lot of emotion, noise, outright BS and misdirection they exploit. If we as a population taught children critical thinking from pre-school and and became more evidence based and rational, then indeed America could prosper in a generation from now. Unfortunately, I think many power elites would be aghast at the idea they could not sway the cognitively trained and critical thinking natives with BS. Mursenary is spot on. Reductionist labels are the resort of intellectual straw men.
Mursenary is correct, many of the "beds" are specialized and secondly beds without highly trained people that go with them are useless furniture, and when that is factored in, then it is easy to see why governments around the world clamped down, fearing hospitals being overrun. Whatever may be the case 6 months later with better data/testing and hindsight, when they started this COVID was a big black box, and they rationally made the right call. With winter coming, and clinical realities referred to, yeah, there is a big problem in the USA.

Putting aside useless entertainment franchise labels (known as political parties), the two brands in the USA (and the UK, and some others) screwed it up. Other countries devoid of the major US brands fared much better, in the case of NZ and Taiwan, over a 100 fold LOWER in per capita rates compared to UK/USA. My guess is the reasons are structural. The stats I referred to shows the USA has fewer per capita doctors and a hell of a lot more bureaucrats in hospitals, probably dealing with Byzantine insurance duplication and inefficiencies.

As for the future of the USA, Glenn Greenwald (of Snowden and other highly controversial exposes) just quit a journal, complaining that his articles about Biden family cash-for-access by Russian gangster (putting aside legal niceties) was met by official Biden silence and the mainstream and/or social media did indeed censor it. This is not a political advertisment, but an observation that the media is selective and not some priesthood of impartiality. The schism between say NPR and Fox news merely represents different tribes in their respective echo chambers.

Who ever is in control after next week faces an economic meltdown, and polarized, angry society that needs to be less shrill, more rational and focus on practical issues like liveable wages, economic opportunity, housing, nutrition, health and happiness rather than moral nonsense, idiotic slogans, race and hatred. They will be forced to have a huge fiscal expansion, and hopefully go direct and bypass the banksters and hustlers.

It is well to blame politicians of all varieties for greed and corruption, but their behaviour exists because we tolorate it and vote them in. All of that coupled with a lot of emotion, noise, outright BS and misdirection they exploit. If we as a population taught children critical thinking from pre-school and and became more evidence based and rational, then indeed America could prosper. Unfortunately, I think many power elites would be aghast at the idea they could not sway the cognitively trained and critical thinking natives with BS. Mursenary is spot on. Reductionist labels are the resort of intellectual straw men. More signal, less noise.

Gino02
10-30-20, 23:31
Since all the Trump haters keep bringing up his name, with special nicknames for the duly elected leader, for many of the issues that are not really in his control (as opposed to Trump lovers bringing up Biden's name that often), I wanted to throw couple of links (with views opposing to what the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc want us to believe) for some more civic discussions and exchange of views about US politics and it's impact on us the mongers. Maybe we all will learn something from these, or maybe these will simply just generate more rants as this thread is aptly named, let's see. But I suggest anyone to comment on these only after reading thru the articles, please. Thank you all.

Newsweek opinion column: "Why I'm Voting for Donald Trump".

https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-voting-donald-trump-opinion-1542990

The Hill opinion column: "Trump or Biden? On the economy, the choice is clear".

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/523511-trump-or-biden-on-the-economy-the-choice-is-clear

Mursenary
10-31-20, 00:11
5000 didn't die because of the virus, 5000 who died did test positive for the COVID-19. That's a huge difference, Sweden would have had a lot less deaths if they counted the same way as other countries.

Americans should go vote, vote against the irresponsible and failed Democrats.Five bucks says Shoe actually lives in Sweden, Alabama.

McAdonis
10-31-20, 01:12
Sweden set their single day record with 2820 new cases on October 28. If the virus had been circulating freely in Sweden all these months, then shouldn't their single day record have been established sometime between April and September? My belief is that the Swedish have been diligently following the recommendations of their health authorities since the beginning of the pandemic. In other words, even though there was not an "official" lockdown mandate, most Swedish voluntarily limited their social contacts. To put 2820 new cases into perspective: if adjusted to USA's population, it would be the same as the USA logging 90 K new cases in a single day. But USA's single day record to date is only 82K. My prediction is the Swedish will have it under control before the Spanish, French, and Czech, because Swedish authorities just put out new recommendations:


Authorities advised residents to refrain from indoor environments such as shops, malls, museums, libraries and gyms. But necessary visits to grocery stores and pharmacies can be made.

Refrain from participating in, for example, meetings, concerts, performances, sports training, matches and competitions. However, this does not apply to sports training for children and young people born in 2005 or later, officials said in a statement.

If possible, avoid having physical contact with people other than those you live with. This means, among other things, a dissuasion from arranging or participating in a party or similar social gathering.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-reports-its-highest-daily-covid-19-cases/2024003

Pistons
10-31-20, 01:46
Well, sure sounds like Phallus Maximus is another one of Mursenary's clone accounts. Aside from that, it is too much to read. But of course it is a dangerous virus. Not to mention that 10% of the infected get long term problems it seems. But what do you know when it's a biological weapon!

I personally told a few people: 'lock the fuck down' (as I understood immediately that this was a bio weapon), and we got away with it better than the swedes. Not surprisingly in retrospect though, as anything polar opposite to the swedish model in anything is usually the best way to do things.

Pistons
10-31-20, 01:51
Then again, I'd still take my risk in order to meet with hot sweet Romanian and Bulgarian pussy across Europe. You only live once!

Pistons
10-31-20, 01:55
When that is said. The risk is greater for the girls than for us. So if a few of them find their ways to where I live, I'll survive for another year or two with this crap going on. Because it probably will. And just before the vaccine is out next year, it will just mutate away again. And ad nauseum!

Pahllus Maximus
10-31-20, 02:36
I am not a clone account of Mursenary.

We happen to share the concept of scientific method, being driven by evidence and logic, which means regularly admitting error and junking any provisional hypothesis when falsified or a better hypothesis that fits the evolving evidence becomes apparent. Flush and repeat. If it were otherwise we would still be be in the stone age.

This is the opposite of politicians and social sciences that conceal, downplay or deny items that challenge pet views. Or they close down discussion, or remain silent on what bits they do not like.

We also share a love of beautiful young women, a perfectly natural thing and celebration of life. This is why this board exists. God I miss a room of hot, naked women in Germany and Austria parading around and so available. May this blight end. Until then, we must endure USA sex prison.

Mongerer88
10-31-20, 03:23
This chart fits well into one of my pet peeves in life.

All the anti-American Americans in the country.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita

It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.

Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.

Personally, I find tremendous quality of USA Escorts in the $500-$600 an hour range. If a person reviews the Seeking Arrangement thread, there is plenty of quality described there, usually at a lower cost per hour than $500-$600 an hour, but not necessarily a lower total cash outlay given the relatively longer-term arrangements.

Now of course that is ridiculously expensive, and the same exact services can be obtained in any given foreign market for a much lower cost. Of course, the travel cost incurred by the American must be considered, unless a subsidy exists, which is often the case. Although that subsidy is rarely disclosed.

I always ask myself a most basic question. Do I earn twice as much working in the United States than I would in Canada, three or four times as much as I would working in Spain / Portugal, and ten times as much as I would working in Romania. Yes, I probably do. So should I deny the right of an American sex worker to charge that same premium over her foreign counterparts? No, I don't think I can. Of course American sex workers charging very little are skanky, but that isn't a valid comparison.

Just my opinion. But I don't see how so many guys can enjoy the benefits of living in a country with a very high per-capita income and complain about the detriments such as the high cost of living.

Same with Covid-19. If you have a job and freedom of movement, you have a relatively greater risk of catching the virus. Most of us hope that doesn't occur, obviously. But giving up earning a good living and having freedom is a big thing to give up.

You take the good with the bad and don't ***** about it, in my opinion.

ExpatLover
10-31-20, 05:09
When that is said. The risk is greater for the girls than for us. So if a few of them find their ways to where I live, I'll survive for another year or two with this crap going on. Because it probably will. And just before the vaccine is out next year, it will just mutate away again. And ad nauseum!I heard the story of the vaccine also for HIV, and do we have today?

Mursenary
10-31-20, 05:14
I am not a clone account of Mursenary.Don't mind him, he's been obsessed with me since 2016. I fed a stray dog once and he followed me around for 5 city blocks! Remember the movie "Incredibles" when the little weird guy turned into a villain when his hero spurned him? It's kinda like that. A little creepy actually.

On par for the course though. Crazy conspiracy theorists tend to get intimidated when people throw real data at them.

Mr Ho accused me of being McAdonis once too. Maybe they're the same person too!

ExpatLover
10-31-20, 05:14
This chart fits well into one of my pet peeves in life.

All the anti-American Americans in the country.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita

It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.

Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.

Personally, I find tremendous quality of USA Escorts in the $500-$600 an hour range. If a person reviews the Seeking Arrangement thread, there is plenty of quality described there, usually at a lower cost per hour than $500-$600 an hour, but not necessarily a lower total cash outlay given the relatively longer-term arrangements..For you travelling to Europe is costly and time consuming. Time is money, since many years I am saying that they are also nice girls in the US and if you calculate all the costs I am not so sure it is so cheap to go to Germany. I start to meet my first prostitute when I was 50, before I don t need to pay to have great sex, the best sex is not the sex you pay for.

Pessimist
10-31-20, 05:21
Since all the Trump haters keep bringing up his name, with special nicknames for the duly elected leader, for many of the issues that are not really in his control (as opposed to Trump lovers bringing up Biden's name that often), I wanted to throw couple of links (with views opposing to what the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc want us to believe) for some more civic discussions and exchange of views about US politics and it's impact on us the mongers. Maybe we all will learn something from these, or maybe these will simply just generate more rants as this thread is aptly named, let's see. But I suggest anyone to comment on these only after reading thru the articles, please. Thank you all.

Newsweek opinion column: "Why I'm Voting for Donald Trump".

https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-voting-donald-trump-opinion-1542990

The Hill opinion column: "Trump or Biden? On the economy, the choice is clear".

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/523511-trump-or-biden-on-the-economy-the-choice-is-clearWhat is the point of adding 2 media links that support your view on a topic on which one can find a million other links both pro and con? And BTW, your comments are far more civil no doubt than than those from shoeSwede but does not mean they are Any less rant'why. This thread is indeed aptly named.

As far as the economy goes, Trump's claims Of accomplishment are quite bogus and w / o merit. First, no one gets a pass on year 4 of a 4-year term. GWB could not say "please ignore 2008 and judge me 2001-07". Real people are having a really horrible time in 2020, and "but 2020 doesn't count" is nonsense. China grew its GDP 4% most recently. We are in deep negative GDP territory. As is most of W EU.

Secondly, the 2017-19 so called prosperity was juiced with a massive tax cut which was not paid for, and with Fed helping the POTUS with highly accommodative policy stance. The tax cuts were not paid because there was no spending cut offset. None. When it comes to spending, Trump is as bad as any Dem, or worse. On the Fed issue, he badgered Jay Powell non stop, going so far as to compare him to Xi Jinping in a tweet in 2019. Bottom line: we have increased national debt be the highest amount in a single term and Fed has used up so many bullets that if we have a massive 2nd wave and the economy goes into a tail spin, the ability of Fed to help out is hugely limited because they already did way too much. At some point, liquidity trap which normally is an academic subject becomes a real thing.

So, no! Trump's boasts on the economy are hollow. It is actually amazing that he doesn't get more push back from Biden, partly because Biden is too slow and not that smart. If someone like Paul Ryan was running against Trump, or even Romney, they would have pointed out the absurdity of Trump's claims on economic accomplishments.

Gino02
10-31-20, 05:40
I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.

ExpatLover
10-31-20, 05:46
Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.

And what about China? May be they done due international commerce?

The problem is not how much you earn but how much you spend. Most of the American I know have a lot of loans to pay back, they buy so many things on credit, I buy nothing on credit except real estate and if I compare with my friends I have more assets than most of them. I never bought a new car in my life but always preferred to buy a additional apartment or house, restore it and sell it again, or buying shares. Even today I drive my 15 YO Toyota land Cruiser and for sure I could buy a new one. I refuse to pay any fees for any bank, I use pre paid sim card, no company has access to my bank accounts, when I have to pay my electricity or gas. I go the post office to pay it. Last week in one of my a bank a new employee told me that he can give the VIP / Ultimate card for free, I answered that I just need the very basic one.

Gino02
10-31-20, 05:51
Haha there is a name to the "Some people in this forum may bring up my posts back in Jan-Feb 2020" and that is me. And back then you specifically advocated people w / Asian look should be banned from FKKs. I then asked if that applied to Asians who were already in Germany for a few weeks, for a few months, even years. Furthermore was it not the logical conclusion then to round up all Asians who were living in DE at that time (and in fact all western nations) and deport them to their fatherlands? You never answered that specific question, as you always dodge the direct question for obvious reasons. But if an Asian guy should be stopped at the FKK door, he is equally dangerous for the rest of the society and should be banned.

I repeatedly said "countries have full freedom to enforce visa / entry policies as they please but once a guy is allowed inside the country it is evil to enforce a differentiated policy". You can keep doing your strawman arguments Gino, but the simple reality is that you cannot have it both ways. If a guy is dangerous to the girls and guys inside a club, he is just as dangerous outside the club. Why don't you have boldness to just proclaim loudly that you wanted all Asians from Western nations to be deported in Jan / Feb, that was your desire at that time? This site allows freedom of expression god bless them, you should state what is on your mind clearly. Why by PC?Looks like you read only part of my that post you responded to, or you read it in a hurry. You may want to read it again.

Or we are writing in different versions of English that means different to you vs me.

Thanks.

ExpatLover
10-31-20, 05:59
Sweden set their single day record with 2820 new cases on October 28. If the virus had been circulating freely in Sweden all these months, then shouldn't their single day record have been established sometime between April and September? My belief is that the Swedish have been diligently following the recommendations of their health authorities since the beginning of the pandemic. In other words, even though there was not an "official" lockdown mandate, most Swedish voluntarily limited their social contacts. To put 2820 new cases into perspective: if adjusted to USA's population, it would be the same as the USA logging 90 K new cases in a single day. But USA's single day record to date is only 82K. My prediction is the Swedish will have it under control before the Spanish, French, and Czech, because Swedish authorities just put out new recommendations:Sorry I dont believe that Sweden will keep the control of the disease, probably the numbers will skyrocket in the coming weeks, they already have 6000 deaths for 10 M, which is not better than France. We should also be aware that the life expectation for 50% of the people who survived the ventilator is 1 year.

Pahllus Maximus
10-31-20, 06:21
Mongerer88: sex work is still unskilled. The price in USA is illegality=morality tax. Yes I can get some action for $300+ p / h. But there is a lot of search costs, time, cat and mouse games, code words, sneaking around and sleaziness etc that detracts from a room of immediately available naked prime young women that is sort of like what a harem must have been like. Apparently Jeffry Epstein had such a setup for himself and rich "friends" and state leaders. All it takes is a few billion, skill in money laundering/blackmail and a pal as president who can arrange visas same day. Mr Epstein, with his black book, somehow committed suicide in custody. The prison staff wrre miraculously looking elsewhere when needed, a very agreeable outcome. But not for him.

Furthermore, exotic accents, food, adventure, relaxed European notions of nudity as natural, zero hassle with cops or other BS and a change of scene and language adds to the novelty and enjoyment. It is not just a mechanical / plumbing transaction. Your graph shows that income is not a predictorID. I lived in Singapore. Geylang lor 88 offered pussy for SIN80 but I earned as much or more than USA. In a globalized economy, arbitrage is normal. USA hookers need to learn about yield management price / quantity / opportunity cost rather than the princess mindset their pussy is golden. US men need to bring competitive price tensions rather tan being price takers. USA is expensive, a hassle and carries risk. This is the only reason there is not price discovery and choice.

Long live a room of 20+ hot women under 25 parading around, available and very willing.

Mursenary
10-31-20, 06:25
This chart fits well into one of my pet peeves in life.

All the anti-American Americans in the country.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita

It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.

Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.Compelling data graphic. On initial inspection, there seems to be strong correlation. But upon closer inspection, the data was graphed on a base 10 logarithmic scale making it appear as if countries like Romania and Switzerland shared a similar income range as compared to say Laos and Cambodia where Romania should be. Same goes for the vertical axis where countries like Germany and the USA share a similar region in per capita infection. The graph is thus a bit misleading. But it's fair to say that some degree of correlation exist between extremely poor or rich countries and covid spread. What it fails to show is useful correlation when comparing the middle 80%. Why are similar GDP per capita countries such as Japan and the UK so different in infection rates? Why are Poland and so Brazil so different?


Just my opinion. But I don't see how so many guys can enjoy the benefits of living in a country with a very high per-capita income and complain about the detriments such as the high cost of living.

Same with Covid-19. If you have a job and freedom of movement, you have a relatively greater risk of catching the virus. Most of us hope that doesn't occur, obviously. But giving up earning a good living and having freedom is a big thing to give up.

You take the good with the bad and don't ***** about it, in my opinion.I was under the impression that he was arguing against the political system and cultural issues. Where did cost of living come from? Singapore, Qatar, and Norway have some of the highest median incomes in the world but do you want to live under the socially oppressive Singapore government? The culture of Qatar? Or live next to the social weirdos that come out of Norway? Living in the dark half the year makes for poor social development.

Pistons
10-31-20, 07:59
I am not a clone account of Mursenary.

We happen to share the concept of scientific method, being driven by evidence and logic, which means regularly admitting error and junking any provisional hypothesis when falsified or a better hypothesis that fits the evolving evidence becomes apparent. Flush and repeat. If it were otherwise we would still be be in the stone age.

This is the opposite of politicians and social sciences that conceal, downplay or deny items that challenge pet views. Or they close down discussion, or remain silent on what bits they do not like.

We also share a love of beautiful young women, a perfectly natural thing and celebration of life. This is why this board exists. God I miss a room of hot, naked women in Germany and Austria parading around and so available. May this blight end. Until then, we must endure USA sex prison.But you cannot falsify the way your mind thinks by the words you chose. Some may be able to fake those things, but you seem like you are not able to. As opposed to Sacha Baron Cohen and Maria Bakalova for example, who are great actors.

Besides, some of these phrases you wrote there are like standardised 1st year naive university rubbish. Like what master grade students and seminar leaders refer to the youngsters as standard brainwashed ideas, and a way of thinking by the not so intelligent. And I refuse to believe there are two so similar minds here on the forum. While both also claim they are doctors. LOL.

Pistons
10-31-20, 08:08
. I lived in Singapore. Geylang lor 88 offered pussy for SIN80 Yeah OK. So since you know I have lived there, and you have googled the prices (and maybe more info as well), you still fail when it comes to the lor 88. Everything is between lor 4 and lor 36 between Geylang road and Guillermand road. Mainly between lor 8 and lor 20 in fact iirc.

McAdonis
10-31-20, 11:50
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-per-million-people-vs-gdp-per-capita

It would appear that countries with the highest per-capita incomes most often have the highest positive Covid-19 rates.

Maybe if a country has significant commerce, it is difficult for those conducting commerce to socially isolate themselves. And people conducting commerce tend to make relatively more money.That seems to be the case, but of course quite a few outliers as well: Brazil 28000 confirmed cases per million, $16000 GDP per capita. Norway 3000 confirmed cases per million, $64000 GDP per capita.

If a country has significant commerce, they probably have more funding for testing and probably have an older population. Niger is one of the poorest countries captured in the chart you provided. Median age there is 14 years old. How much GDP per capita are you going to have when half of your population is under 14 years old? Because the population is so young, if they catch C19, there is a large likelihood that they would be asymptomatic, and as such would never go to a hospital to get tested. That assumes that the hospital has funding for tests, which of course, they wouldn't.

Within Western countries, you can see a lot of disparity between confirmed cases. In USA, Blacks and Latinos seem to be two to three times more likely of contracting C19 than Whites. If blue-collar, the probability of having the opportunity to work from home is much lower. Blacks and Latinos tend to make less money, have larger families, and are clustered around cities where housing is more expensive, so that means more cramped living conditions. Also USA has less of social safety net, so blue collar workers out of economic necessity or fear of being replaced, may take more chances to report to work, even if they are showing symptoms.

Since you tied your observation to WGs: I would say that none of the WGs received money from the government when the clubs closed. And the WGs are younger. My hope is that they already contracted the virus by working most of the spring and summer and now have antibodies (no longer be spreaders). Otherwise the FKK clubs would be outbreak central.

HammerTime96
10-31-20, 11:51
Well guys, second lockdown is well on it's way!

I hope all the fearmongers here will enjoy it! Thank you very much for ruining it for all of us!

ShooBree
10-31-20, 12:46
You should, because you will not get too many more. BTW, why the fuck is a Swedish bloke yukking up about a country he knows nothing about? Did you pay a dime of tax in this country? I realize you may find some fraternity with the Proud Boys gang but until you pay you don't get to play. Come back to talk to us when you have a US citizenship and paid some taxes. Until then you are just a foreigner who has an opinion about American politics, which everyone in the world seems to have. Your view counts for something if you have a vote, which you don't. Thank god, because we have already enough idiots in our own country.You're a typical Democrat, a ignorant and arrogant know-it-all that knows nothing. Why do you libtards hate free speech so much? Here you are, in the German part of an international forum telling others what they are allowed to write about. If you want me to take you somewhat seriously you should have written your nonsense in usasexguide and stayed away from ISG.

I've lived in Colorado and Silicon Valley, but sure I know nothing about USA. My family and I have contributed more to the American economy than you ever will.

"The ugly American", I've never liked that expression but damn son, you're pretty much the definition of that expression.

I could call you a idiot or a moron, but I'm sure that you've already heard that a thousand times before so I will take the high road.

ShooBree
10-31-20, 13:29
LOL, it's called critical thinking and living in the present. NY, NJ, and Mass have have controlled the outbreak as well as any Nordic or Asian countries since the initial outbreak. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and all of the Trump midwest took the protected head start and continue to bath in covid infested respiratory droplets at every redneck Trump rally.

Never even voted for a Democrat in my life until just 2 hours ago. People who think the way you are presenting, demigod worship and lack of nuance in data analysis, have killed the Republican brand. Perhaps rational conservatives can fill the void and undo the damage that these anglo-centric nationalists have done.Here you are yet again with more excuses. You sure are determined to prove me right. NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Connecticut are still the top 4 with most deaths per capita. Embarrassing for the Democratic Party.

They have it under worse control than Sweden, Sweden, a country whose approach was so heavily criticized and ridiculed! I'm dying of laughter, not only do they have a higher number of deaths per capita, it's also increasing faster!

The moving seven day average of yesterday: Sweden 4 deaths, NY 15, NJ 11, Massachusetts 21 and Connecticut 5.

It's amazing considering the number of deaths that they've already reached. They are the world champions and they ain't stopping, lmfao. Massachusetts are standing out, they are out for the top spot!

Considering the number of old people living in Florida I thought that they would do much worse, but the Blue states obviously can't stand the thought of a red state being number one on the list. Lmfao.

But to be completely honest, who cares? I've fucked a different hooker every week since March / April and I'm still alive. I haven't even needed to stop training because I felt sick. Au contraire, I'm healthier than ever. This virus only kills the weak and extremely unlucky who weren't smart enough to self-isolate.

The Democrats is the perfect party for people who hate White people and approve of radical Islam. Just look at those representing the party, Omar, AOC, Pressley and Tlaib.

ShooBree
10-31-20, 13:32
Five bucks says Shoe actually lives in Sweden, Alabama.I hope you enjoy yourself in your mother's basement.

I hold your medical "expertise" as high as Dr Albans. You should go a course in basic statistics.

Turgid
10-31-20, 15:07
Since all the Trump haters keep bringing up his name, with special nicknames for the duly elected leader, for many of the issues that are not really in his control (as opposed to Trump lovers bringing up Biden's name that often), I wanted to throw couple of links (with views opposing to what the mainstream media like CNN, MSNBC, CBS etc want us to believe) for some more civic discussions and exchange of views about US politics and it's impact on us the mongers. Maybe we all will learn something from these, or maybe these will simply just generate more rants as this thread is aptly named, let's see. But I suggest anyone to comment on these only after reading thru the articles, please. Thank you all.

Newsweek opinion column: "Why I'm Voting for Donald Trump".

https://www.newsweek.com/why-im-voting-donald-trump-opinion-1542990

The Hill opinion column: "Trump or Biden? On the economy, the choice is clear".

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/523511-trump-or-biden-on-the-economy-the-choice-is-clearI support neither the Republicans nor the Democrats but I believe it would be absolutely astonishing if Trump wins the elections. I just cannot see the Republicans winning this one. We will have the Democrats leading the US for the next four years.

ExpatLover
10-31-20, 15:19
I support neither the Republicans nor the Democrats but I believe it would be absolutely astonishing if Trump wins the elections. I just cannot see the Republicans winning this one. We will have the Democrats leading the US for the next four years.Trump has a big part of responsibility if he not re-elected. For me, he was not serious in his duty, saying a lot of lies and stupidity, promising a lot of things that never happen. When you listen to Obama speeches, there is nothing comparable with Trump. For me Trump is looking many times unprepared, I remember when he left the White House during the riots, after he was alone with a bible in front of the church all this is unprofessional, also there are a lot of rumours about taxes, may be coming trials. On the other side Biden is not looking very healthy, both are too old for this very difficult job in very difficult times.

Sirioja
10-31-20, 15:33
I support neither the Republicans nor the Democrats but I believe it would be absolutely astonishing if Trump wins the elections. I just cannot see the Republicans winning this one. We will have the Democrats leading the US for the next four years.For Western Europeans, even we are friend with US, but Trump is dangerous crazy, like Erdogan in different way. Putin is less dangerous for us, even he is killing Ukraine since years. I m not a specialist of US politic, but I was amazed about Ku Klux still being so powerful in Oregon. US forgot Martin Luther King, Tommie Smith and John Carlos. What about Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Tiger Woods, Will Smith, Jay Z, Kayny West, Carl Lewis, all blond white.

ExpatLover
10-31-20, 18:27
For those who had the idea to go to Austria for FKK, second lock down already put on place, how many times I wrote not to go to FKK to keep social distancing now in Europe again everything is closed. For me really a good time just because I will again earn a lot of money with shares, but what to do with my money since I drastically decreased my pay sex activities: my garage is full with classic cars).

Paulie97
10-31-20, 19:04
LOL, it's called critical thinking and living in the present. NY, NJ, and Mass have have controlled the outbreak as well as any Nordic or Asian countries since the initial outbreak. Meanwhile, Texas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and all of the Trump midwest took the protected head start and continue to bath in covid infested respiratory droplets at every redneck Trump rally. To focus on the intital outbreaks in areas of international transfit in the Northeast while ignoring their exemplary jobs at breaking the curve afterwards is an exercise in dishonesty of the lowest order, as these testimonies contain proven strategies for controlling the pandemic. A piece of dog shit like Ted Cruz knows better, but many of the Trump cultists do not as they just swallow hook, line, and sinker whatever Trump and his media sources tell them.


Never even voted for a Democrat in my life until just 2 hours ago. People who think the way you are presenting, demigod worship and lack of nuance in data analysis, have killed the Republican brand. Perhaps rational conservatives can fill the void and undo the damage that these anglo-centric nationalists have done.Yes the Trump cultists want to make it about Democrats and Republicans, but it's actually about removing a corrupt, incompetent, constantly lying conspiracy theory peddler from power. That's the first step for Repubs toward reclaiming their party.

Pessimist
10-31-20, 19:09
Well, sure sounds like Phallus Maximus is another one of Mursenary's clone accounts. Aside from that, it is too much to read. But of course it is a dangerous virus. Not to mention that 10% of the infected get long term problems it seems. But what do you know when it's a biological weapon!

I personally told a few people: 'lock the fuck down' (as I understood immediately that this was a bio weapon), and we got away with it better than the swedes. Not surprisingly in retrospect though, as anything polar opposite to the swedish model in anything is usually the best way to do things.When I began posting here approximately 18 months ago, I was continuously hounded by 3 senior members at that time that I was a fake, sham, clone account; I was accused of being one of the numerous avatars of the same person, others being Gino, Tintin, some others I am forgetting. Gino and I pretty much never agree on anything, and it was a preposterous accusation. Two of those senior members tag-teamed in claiming that I was not even an American but was a Brit in fact because I used "punter" as opposed to "monger" in a comment. First of all, I think being a Brit is a cool thing, but I didn't realize I was in a forum swimming with such linguistic experts who could read my innermost persona and my exterior characteristics with such precision based on stray comments I wrote on a sex forum with less thought than I give to what flavored bagel I should eat for breakfast. In any case, since a verified passport is not required to post here, what fucking difference does it make to them if I was a Brit faking as an American? Thankfully, they ceased their horrendous campaign after a few months and now I don't even see them posting here any longer (except one).

So, I am sensitive to this charge of one member randomly accusing another of being a clone of some other member (s). I don't know how long Mursenary has been posting here, nor do I know the same about Phallus. I began noticing their comments only when I got into modest disagreements with both (funny how that works). But over time, one can see where people stand, their views on life, how they think -- at least somewhat superficially. I am 100% positive Mursenary and Phallus are not the same; if that means you will accuse me of being a clone of one of them, that is fine too but it is very obvious to anyone reading their comments and interests and other views they are very different. Phallus, I view him as being very libertarian. Pardon me if I characterized you wrong. He almost does not seem to have much interest in these political discussions and pandemic topics. He is almost similar to PolyAmorist, except PolyA has a biting sarcastic tongue and a sharp wit (not that Phallus doesn't but PolyA is clearly a talented writer). Mursenary and McAdonis often agree on many topics but most definitely not the same either. I myself am 100% positive I am not Gino. It would be like matter and antimatter coming together haha. I really love reading the views of Mongerer88, Tank Tank, and Bfsie is a very helpful gentleman.

The only ones I can think of as being clones are these Hammer / Shoe / Sobe / other assorted types. Not that I am accusing them of being actual clone accounts but the only thing they post is alt right drivel and that could come from the same bot. Far be it from me to say any such thing about other posters, but there is very little differentiation between any dozens of their posts -- "Covid is a nothingburger, masks are useless, you are all foolish unless you agree with every word I say, Trump is great, Sweden is great, vaccines suck, Fauci sucks, you have no guts, you are all pussies and wussies, blah blah" (I am sure the good people of Sweden are recoiling in horror at being lumped next to Trump in the same basket). I was also very positive that an infrequent poster called Apolloyon (something like that) was a clone account of one of the aforementioned 3 senior members that were always attacking me -- if I am correct in my suspicion it would be so ironic because their entire agenda was to "clean up" the site of any clone accounts while they probably used a clone account in that quest.

Pessimist
10-31-20, 20:51
Looks like you read only part of my that post you responded to, or you read it in a hurry. You may want to read it again.

Or we are writing in different versions of English that means different to you vs me.

Thanks.I did read the full essay but responded to the part of that comment that I cared to respond. Is that OK with you? You responded to my own comment by ignoring everything in there and accused me of not reading your entire response -- whereas you responded to not a single thing in my own comment.

And as usual, you skipped the actual questions in my text. That must have been the 100th time. Why did you not ask for rounding up all Asians in all the Western societies and ship them out if you felt any Asian inside any club was a mortal threat? How was that logical?

Mongerer88
10-31-20, 21:02
Compelling data graphic. On initial inspection, there seems to be strong correlation. But upon closer inspection, the data was graphed on a base 10 logarithmic scale making it appear as if countries like Romania and Switzerland shared a similar income range as compared to say Laos and Cambodia where Romania should be. Same goes for the vertical axis where countries like Germany and the USA share a similar region in per capita infection. The graph is thus a bit misleading. But it's fair to say that some degree of correlation exist between extremely poor or rich countries and covid spread. What it fails to show is useful correlation when comparing the middle 80%. Why are similar GDP per capita countries such as Japan and the UK so different in infection rates? Why are Poland and so Brazil so different?

I was under the impression that he was arguing against the political system and cultural issues. Where did cost of living come from? Singapore, Qatar, and Norway have some of the highest median incomes in the world but do you want to live under the socially oppressive Singapore government? The culture of Qatar? Or live next to the social weirdos that come out of Norway? Living in the dark half the year makes for poor social development.The second part of what I wrote was my continued bewilderment at what Phallus writes.

He started off long ago by proposing that the United States adopt an FKK system.

He has argued that public ownership of brothels would be beneficial.

And that sex workers themselves represent unskilled labor and that there prices in the USA Are artificially high.

And he argues that the political system in the United States is idiotic and a failure in virtually all regards, including with respect to Covid-19, in comparison to the systems of other countries. I believe he has argued also that the economic system in the USA Is a failure and only benefits the Elites.

So I just keep getting more and more confused, although I do believe he has some points with respect to the idiotic political system.

If the political system is idiotic, why involve it in the commercial sex trade at all? It can be argued that the current USA Environment with respect to commercial sex is one of the best examples of a free market ever. A person can contact the seller of sex directly through thousands of independent escort websites, twitter feeds, and Seeking Arrangement ads. The prices are indeed very high, but there are fewer middlemen. I don't know how one argues price distortion in that circumstance. She is selling it and the customer is buying it.

One of the primary reasons that sex is much, much less expensive in Germany, and to a lesser extent in Spain and Portugal, is the influx of Romanian imports into Germany, and from South America into Iberia. The Iberian ladies price match with their South American sisters and live in harmony. The German ladies are less inclined to do so, and when American independent escorts are compared in prices to the German independent escorts, the price difference is not as pronounced.

So the price differences between this horrible United States and Europe is heavily weighted toward importation of low-priced labor and the willingness of the government to allow large facilities where the imported labor, which he considers unskilled, to fuck a lot of guys in a relatively short period of time. When you view it in those terms, the political system in the USA Is less idiotic than he lets on. Germany is unique in its system, and I think the worldwide trend is away from its system of allowing imported sex labor to be performed at fixed location facilities.

I am not trying to disrespect it, so I simply asked him the question. If Germany, Austria and Switzerland is Nirvana, why not move there?

I was confused, and still am, as to why public investment in facilities where this supposedly unskilled labor performs its services would be beneficial. I am also confused as to why the labor is even considered unskilled. We all spend a lot of time discussing and reviewing women who provide commercial sex, so I simply don't view them as unskilled. I truly don't give a shit who picked the tomato on my sandwich, but the last lady who performed oral sex on me is truly meaningful to me. She charged a lot, but I was okay with paying the price she asked.

Personally, I think most political and economic systems work pretty damn well, and represent what the majority of the populace wants. So I don't feel the need to diss the United States in post after post. I accept things. The USA has high commercial sex prices if done in a manner that minimizes the risk of arrest. It also has a relatively high Covid-19 rate, but there is plenty of freedom and that has a price. As to it not having a lot of hospital beds, does it really owe me that?

No, neither the country nor its politicians owe me a damn thing, and neither do the women there owe me inexpensive sex. The market determines this stuff.

I don't spend my life complaining about things I can't control, which includes the price of local sex, the Covid-19 positivity rate, or who the other 330 million people vote for.

We can all try to emigrate / immigrate or whatever the word is if it becomes unbearable. But guess what, it has been my observation that there are more people trying to get into the USA Than get out of it. So I doubt that the grass is really greener on the other side. Most guys in the USA Enjoy the occasional trip to Europe, Canada, Asia, or Mexico / South America and the less expensive sex that comes with it, but when push comes to shove, few of them are looking to really leave.

And one of the reasons why, is that just like the American hookers, they get paid way more to do the same damn job in the USA Than they would outside of it. And there are a lot more everyday luxuries to enjoy in the USA Than outside of it.

So that is my rant. I wish American would quit complaining about the USA.

Pessimist
10-31-20, 21:18
You're a typical Democrat, a ignorant and arrogant know-it-all that knows nothing. Why do you libtards hate free speech so much? Here you are, in the German part of an international forum telling others what they are allowed to write about. If you want me to take you somewhat seriously you should have written your nonsense in usasexguide and stayed away from ISG.

I've lived in Colorado and Silicon Valley, but sure I know nothing about USA. My family and I have contributed more to the American economy than you ever will.

"The ugly American", I've never liked that expression but damn son, you're pretty much the definition of that expression.

I could call you a idiot or a moron, but I'm sure that you've already heard that a thousand times before so I will take the high road.Whatever, bud. As far as I am concerned, you are just another foreigner wannabe American. Perhaps you should go to Mexico, pay some warlord all your money and sneak into the US in one of those trucks. Then you get to talk. When you get here, pay some taxes, then your views on US politics are worth paying attention to. Till then stick to whatever third world nation that you are currently located in.

Mursenary
10-31-20, 22:01
Here you are yet again with more excuses. You sure are determined to prove me right. NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Connecticut are still the top 4 with most deaths per capita. Embarrassing for the Democratic Party.

They have it under worse control than Sweden, Sweden, a country whose approach was so heavily criticized and ridiculed! I'm dying of laughter, not only do they have a higher number of deaths per capita, it's also increasing faster!

The moving seven day average of yesterday: Sweden 4 deaths, NY 15, NJ 11, Massachusetts 21 and Connecticut 5.Speaking of basic statistics. Why confound total seven day average deaths with per capita deaths.

In any case, care to list the 7 day average of Texas, Georgia, Florida for comparison?

Pessimist
10-31-20, 22:04
If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.

I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.

Mursenary
10-31-20, 22:05
Here you are yet again with more excuses. You sure are determined to prove me right. NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Connecticut are still the top 4 with most deaths per capita. Embarrassing for the Democratic Party.

They have it under worse control than Sweden, Sweden, a country whose approach was so heavily criticized and ridiculed! I'm dying of laughter, not only do they have a higher number of deaths per capita, it's also increasing faster!

The moving seven day average of yesterday: Sweden 4 deaths, NY 15, NJ 11, Massachusetts 21 and Connecticut 5.Speaking of basic statistics. Why confound total seven day average deaths with per capita deaths.

In any case, care to list the current 7 day average of Texas, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina for comparison? Oh right, it doesn't fit your narrative.

ShooBree
10-31-20, 22:19
Whatever, bud. As far as I am concerned, you are just another foreigner wannabe American. Perhaps you should go to Mexico, pay some warlord all your money and sneak into the US in one of those trucks. Then you get to talk. When you get here, pay some taxes, then your views on US politics are worth paying attention to. Till then stick to whatever third world nation that you are currently located in..Wow, I'm so sorry. I hope that you get the help that you need. It pains me to see that some people still suffer from serious mental health problems.

Paulie97
10-31-20, 22:21
The only ones I can think of as being clones are these Hammer / Shoe / Sobe / other assorted types. Not that I am accusing them of being actual clone accounts but the only thing they post is alt right drivel and that could come from the same bot.No probably not the same, but there's common denominators in IQs in the lower to mid 70's range and cheerleading for Agent Orange from some far away land.

Mursenary
10-31-20, 23:04
So that is my rant. I wish American would quit complaining about the USA.I pretty much agree with most of your points.

Supply and demand is definitely the major difference in WG pricing. Europe has a much higher supply of WGs, as well as South America and SE Asia. The similarities of pricing in German WGs as compared to the American scene is noted, with the remaining price difference able to be attributed to German girls being limited by the supply of Eastern Europeans, and probably also the legal status.

With regards to comparisons and critique of the US, I know that, economically, the US has provided for a comparatively pretty easy journey. However, I must point out that when non-Trumpy Americans self criticize, we usually make comparisons to similar social-economic countries. Yes there is a net preference for immigration to the US but how much of that is from poor South and Central American populations. I believe the "city upon a hill" image of the US has eroded in the minds of many of our peers in Western and central Europe. I've even heard from the Romanian WGs numerous times, "before I want to go to America, but not anymore."

For those of us on this forum, we have been lucky to have made our lives while the US had been on the rise. What many fear and is the point of criticism and concern, which seems to become more evident every day, is that our nation is on the decline. Entry level earnings versus cost of living today just do not compute. Young Americans have to balance higher cost of living to comparatively lower income ratios in the past with the fact that Americans have to provide for a higher proportion their own healthcare and retirement without the safety net that many of our western European peers enjoy. Add in student loans for white collar and professional occupations and we have a recipe for current and future stagnation. In the past, we have benefited greatly from the immigration of foreign professionals and white collar workers but our current declining standard of living with increasing cost will stifle that. What remains is the blue collar jobs cash grab by immigrants from poor countries. We still have the best university system in the world to attract the best and brightest, but I fear that with the current declining situation, a higher proportion of talent will just complete their training and move right back to their own nations.

Paulie97
10-31-20, 23:23
Whatever, bud. As far as I am concerned, you are just another foreigner wannabe American. Perhaps you should go to Mexico, pay some warlord all your money and sneak into the US in one of those trucks. Then you get to talk. When you get here, pay some taxes, then your views on US politics are worth paying attention to. Till then stick to whatever third world nation that you are currently located in.At least he's got the lingo down, "libtards," etc. So once he jumps the border he can hit the ground running. Plus he can pick up a Maga hat off Ebay for a dollar or two if he doesn't manage to catch one at a rally.

ExpatLover
11-01-20, 00:24
For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.

I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.They went to France to benefit from the number 1 social system in the World. They don't need to work to live in a decent apartment. If France will cut all the social benefits very few migrants will come to France. Same happen in Belgium. There is also the past colonial history of France, for example most of Moroccan have bi nationality. Since 1970 the families have the right to live together that leads to 390000 legal migrants in 2019 + probably illegal migrants around 200000 and all this for decades. Today you must have 10 millions Muslim in France (65 M) the highest ratio in Europe, with less on less integration. But we don t need to worry about all this, it is too late the numbers and the demography are simply making the difference. Most of the French people are extremely concerned about their future in France and 200000 (the richest) are leaving every year. We import poor migrants and export the rich how do you want this to work. With the covid the things are getting worse and worse and when the ECB will start to reduce the quantitative easing (will happen sooner or late) France, Italy, Spain. Will bankrupt, end of the Europe.

Mursenary
11-01-20, 00:32
But over time, one can see where people stand, their views on life, how they think -- at least somewhat superficially. I am 100% positive Mursenary and Phallus are not the same; if that means you will accuse me of being a clone of one of them, that is fine too but it is very obvious to anyone reading their comments and interests and other views they are very different.Thanks. Seems obvious to anyone who approaches with objectivity. Leave it to a conspiracy theorist to only cling to catch words and rely on partial understanding rather than complete comprehension. They lack mental discipline and perhaps even ability to integrate details.


If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive ofDude, those are pretty Hitler / Trumpish words. Barbarians? Round up? Jewish-Germans and Japanese-Americans were also round up. Never heard such hate speech from you before. Pretty disappointing.

ExpatLover
11-01-20, 00:56
A big part of this rise was so easy to achieve by switching the productions facilities to China mostly, by doing that the US created very strong competitors, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi. Were all suppliers for Apple at the beginning, same for the wind industry, for the telecom, for the batteries. Like for other subjects now it is too late for the US probably they will become number 2 very fast if not already done. China have hugely invested in infrastructures (airports, highways, trains) over the last 20 years, in the US the infrastructures like highways, high speed trains. Are terrible, also the school system is a disaster, without speaking about the healthcare, on top of that the new President will be a old guy probably not able to change the things to seriously come back in the race against China.

Mr Ho
11-01-20, 03:01
If letting half French population getting infected, when nobody is sure about immunity after, some were infected twice, then French doctors plan for about 400000 deaths, when we have around 40000 which is already too many, when Sweden and Stockholm have one of the highest rate, when they kill many old people, when 85% of our dead in France are over 70 yo, when NL prefer to confine now for this second wave when they didn t for first. So, confine in Bavaria, again in France and they should extend to at least 6 weeks for us. Job was more complicated about safety since mid March and will be more and more complicated. Wish can ski for Christmas, when climbed for 5 months and wish for last one tomorrow.Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus!

Sirioja
11-01-20, 06:13
At least I enjoyed my GT Vienna discovery. I was happy to find Anita, Daniela twin, and to respect my promise from Bruggen, more than 1 year after. Coralia was fresh look and sweet GFE and had rare, bloody beyond her taboos experience with wow aura on that night Iranian. 3 girls on a day and could go with more, long time didn't happen. Not so impressive on mid August with not same aura for Iranian. Vienna seem a wonderful town to live.

Like do Michael Jordan, Lebron James or Ariana Grande, giving money to pay fines for some US people, then they are allowed to vote for their country, their future, why don't you give your too much money to poor, when billion of poor in China.

ShooBree
11-01-20, 07:42
No probably not the same, but there's common denominators in IQs in the lower to mid 70's range and cheerleading for Agent Orange from some far away land.You're pretty much the poster boy of low IQ.

Pistons
11-01-20, 08:12
The Democrats is the perfect party for people who hate White people and approve of radical Islam. Just look at those representing the party, Omar, AOC, Pressley and Tlaib.Sad but true. The best way to get rid of racism in my views is through sex with other nationals. However, then I have come to realize that a new problem have arisen:

People with extremely tiny penises who feel they are unable to have sex all the time will start not feeling the pussy of the girls. And thus, they resort to racism anyway.

So even if we do try to curve racism through our hobbies, the tiny willy syndrome is perhaps the world's biggest problem.

So instead of China (or Kazakhstan) creating a bio weapon in order to kill more men than women to even out the sex gap so they get more pussy around the world themselves, what if the chinese had instead spent trillions into developing gene drives in order to give themselves larger penises?

You can give me the Nobel peace prize already for this idea by the way.

Pistons
11-01-20, 08:18
Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.

Mursenary
11-01-20, 10:45
Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.So more conspiracy theory slop thrown against the wall. Keep my name off of this board's high school drama.

HammerTime96
11-01-20, 10:49
The US elections are just theatre, just like "bread and games" as they used to say in Rome.

Anyone who thinks that one party will significantly change things is seriously deluded. In the end all those politicians care for is more power, and more money for themselves and their cronies.

What it's really about: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/.

This is not me or some "conspiracy theorist" saying this. This comes straight from the WEF man himself: Klaus Schwab.

Soon the EU-SSR will be a similar sex prison as the USSA. The sheeple will be vaxxed ("for your health") and chipped ("for your own safety") and we'll enter a cashless planned economy. No legal P6 or FKK club will be able to survive in such an environment, because they will not be able to survive on the handful of idiots who want to be vaxxed and have no problem surrendering their privacy by having all financial transactions registered. The only way P6 will "survive" is by barter and on a secret and small scale.

Thank you fearmongers! I hope you will be happy in this combination of Nineteen Eighty-Four and Brave New World.

P.S. Where are the massive number of Covid1984 deaths in this "second wave?" Where are they, in Sweden, or in Africa? They only "exist" in the propaganda minds of the brainwashing mainstream media.

Mr Ho
11-01-20, 12:25
Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.That is what I pointed out that a year ago or so when I was arguing with Takedown that he uses multiple accounts praising one another, but it is him praising himself LOL.

ExpatLover
11-01-20, 13:41
Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus!The national sport for many Latin countries including France is not to see what each individual can do to protect himself and the others but how to bypass the restrictions. For example the people from Annemasse a French city near Switzerland will not respect the curfew just to spend some hours in Switzerland, and so many other example like that. For all those Europeans countries the morning call will be terrible when the ECB will say end of party with the QE, and than the very negative spiral of debts, bankruptcies, unemployment, incapacity to pay back the loans, social riots, will lead to year of problems without any solution as the global degradation in the benefit of mostly Asian countries. All this is already on is way, with the probable decline of the USD, and the increase of the Asian currencies.

Turgid
11-01-20, 14:43
Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.Hey, I remember Takedown. He had some controversial posts. Had some interaction with him concerning FKK activities. Perhaps he'll return when FKKs reopen.

Turgid
11-01-20, 14:47
A big part of this rise was so easy to achieve by switching the productions facilities to China mostly, by doing that the US created very strong competitors, Samsung, Huawei, Xiaomi. Were all suppliers for Apple at the beginning, same for the wind industry, for the telecom, for the batteries. Like for other subjects now it is too late for the US probably they will become number 2 very fast if not already done. China have hugely invested in infrastructures (airports, highways, trains) over the last 20 years, in the US the infrastructures like highways, high speed trains. Are terrible, also the school system is a disaster, without speaking about the healthcare, on top of that the new President will be a old guy probably not able to change the things to seriously come back in the race against China.Yeah, Biden looks somewhat shaky. What were the Democrats thinking?

Pessimist
11-01-20, 15:34
Dude, those are pretty Hitler / Trumpish words. Barbarians? Round up? Jewish-Germans and Japanese-Americans were also round up. Never heard such hate speech from you before. Pretty disappointing.You may be right. I don't deny that I have my own biases. Everyone has them, I have mine- in my case it is the Moslem terrorists and the commie Chinese government. Pretty sure some of my friends in my personal life are turned off by my stances and rhetoric, but it is what it is.

Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration. The reality is that it will not happen. But it is what gives rise to the Trumpian forces too: they see the hypocrisy of these Islamic nations.

Pessimist
11-01-20, 15:39
Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.Thanks. I don't know TakeDown, was before my time or at least I didn't get into any disagreements with him to remember LOL. Yes it is obvious McAdonis and Mursenary are different. For one, McAdonis writes much more authoritatively on social science topics and that is his forte. Mursenary clearly likes health science discussions. Just my observation.

Pessimist
11-01-20, 17:58
Yeah, Biden looks somewhat shaky. What were the Democrats thinking?They needed a milquetoast who would not be offensive to the middle. The thing is that most people always react to past negative outcomes. Dems took Hillary defeat to heart and the lesson they learned is that she was hated by many and was not appealing to the middle. So, they came up with a guy who in their minds would turn off the least numbers in the middle and yet not depress the vote on the left most side. A moderate like Buttigieg would not excite the left and Bernie would turn off the middle. So, Biden was a compromise.

US voting population is a constantly shifting mass. We elect a single guy at the top but we have a thousand mini blocks. Alliances and coalitions are always forming, shifting, breaking up and new ones forming. In the moment, it does not appear that way but seen over decades the patterns are amazing. For example, South used to be very Dem supporting but in the last 60 years it has become almost entirely GOP monopoly. West Coast was not this liberal even 20 to 30 years ago. NY had d'Amato as the senator who was a modest right winger for his day. Georgia had Sam Nunn and Alabama had Howell Heflin, and ofc Bill Clinton was from Arkansas. Now, things are shifting again, and after 2/3 decades of being deep red, GA is almost neutral. On a demographic basis, WHites have been shrinking as percent of population and of voters which drive a lot of anxieties. The prosperity of last 50 years benefited a small sliver disproportionately. Rise of China has depressed wages and net worth for a lot of people. Manufacturing jobs have become scarce. In the 60's /70's even high school grads could expect to become solidly middle class with a house, a car, kids in school and perhaps even college. Now, that is a pipedream. The thing is that free trade supporting Republicans from Northeast and West Coast were anti Union and recited the trickle down mantra but that supposed trickling did not happen, at least not enough. Unions shrank, and with GOP leading the charge against Unions to a large extent. In an ironic way, when the unions splintered (at least for the purpose of voting at national level), the splinters coalesced on ethnic lines. The non college ex Union White is one of the strongest supporting blocks of GOP now, which was the exact opposite situation 30 years ago. Meanwhile, college educated whites became more of a fiscal conservative / social liberal types and are split 50/50 or 55/45 and sometimes support Dems and sometimes support GOP. Not to mention, the gender disparity with women in every group supporting Dems and men supporting GOP. They were always supposed to be mommy and daddy party and that has not changed all that much.

So, this is always a tightrope walk for both parties. When they have a winner, they fall behind even if they have disagreements. People marvel at how strong is Trump's support despite all the things MSM sees negatively in him. But FDR said once of Somoza "he is a SoB but he is our SoB" -- when your guy is in power, you don't question him or backstab him. If Trump loses, I expect there will be a lot of introspection and another round of shifting coalitions. The challenger always has the tougher task of putting together an acceptable candidate that appeals to both the extremes and the middle -- until they win, in which case the other side will do it. I have a thousand friends who hate Trump's personal conduct and even policy positions but will never ever vote Dem. These are very moderate, very family oriented, normal people who do not talk / behave / do anything like Trump in real life and yet will vote for him because they will always vote GOP. Some have flipped, but only a few. On the other hand, I also know blue collar people I knew growing up, from my parents' town who did not do well in life and who used to vote Dem and now are solidly GOP. They love Trump, personally. I can't understand them and for the most part it is an uneasy conversation. In fact, politics has become so poisonous we hardly talk at even dinner tables, especially extended family dinners like Christmas and Thanksgiving.

BigBuddy69
11-01-20, 18:05
For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries.Actually that's not 100 % true. Some of them came because of the former french colonization of North Africa (which was clearly not a good idea), the harkis for example came to France because they were supportive of the french colonization of Algeria and if they had stayed, they would be dead (slit throat and so on).

But I agree with you, if some prick is offended because of funny cartoons, he should move to a place where those cartoons are banned (incidentally these countries are all dictatorships and most of the population live in misery). The problem is that some Muslims in France want to import their lost way of life (oppression of women, glorification of young men) in my country, instead of moving their hairy asses back to their country of origin.

Smoke Light
11-01-20, 18:27
If the political system is idiotic, why involve it in the commercial sex trade at all? It can be argued that the current USA Environment with respect to commercial sex is one of the best examples of a free market ever. A person can contact the seller of sex directly through thousands of independent escort websites, twitter feeds, and Seeking Arrangement ads. The prices are indeed very high, but there are fewer middlemen. I don't know how one argues price distortion in that circumstance. She is selling it and the customer is buying it.We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.

But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?

And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment.


Personally, I think most political and economic systems work pretty damn well, and represent what the majority of the populace wants. So I don't feel the need to diss the United States in post after post. I accept things. The USA has high commercial sex prices if done in a manner that minimizes the risk of arrest. It also has a relatively high Covid-19 rate, but there is plenty of freedom and that has a price. As to it not having a lot of hospital beds, does it really owe me that?Arrest is nothing. You get to see a judge the next day, or a Monday, if you had to spend a weekend at the police station. Not to worry, you sleep on a "bed" without a mattress and they bring you a Big Mac or a cheeseburger from the local McDonalds. You pay your fine and you go home, but your arrest record, your charges, your real name become public. Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state.

Critical assessment of one's country is not unpatriotic. Emigration and immigration are not unpatriotic or patriotic, either. It's an open-minded and basic human right to move to another part of the world. I understand what Pahllus writes. My bewilderment is what freedom you are talking about.

BrahmaPoutre
11-01-20, 19:35
Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus!You are really a funny guy.

So we close everything, restaurant, hairdresser, shops, sports, college, university, travels, factories, dentists, brothels of course! And so on.

I suggest we follow Mr Ho's advice, we just wake up and spend all our time on Internet. LOL!

Sirioja
11-01-20, 19:40
Well if people stopped doing whatever they want during summer holiday travelling to places visiting brothels and mountains and this and that, you could have prevented innocent people from dying by minimize the spread of the virus!I made so many highest quality tests on this Summer on my climbings, last on Sunday 25 October, climbing Col Agnel 2744 meters high, 3 degrees on top, snow on road which was closed but not for me on my bicycle. Anthology day, best test, who could climb this with covid? After so many brothels visits and escorts.

BrahmaPoutre
11-01-20, 19:41
How lucky you are to session no pro students. I remember the time when the girls just arrived by bus from Bucharest and begin few days or hours later in World or Oase. It was the best time for me, unfortunately this job changes very quickly most of the girls even the face. Since 2016 it is very difficult to find fresh, natural beauties in FKK.If you look carefully his profile here, he never shared any experiences with girls here on forum.

Mursenary
11-01-20, 20:11
You may be right. I don't deny that I have my own biases. Everyone has them, I have mine- in my case it is the Moslem terrorists and the commie Chinese government. Pretty sure some of my friends in my personal life are turned off by my stances and rhetoric, but it is what it is.

Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration. The reality is that it will not happen. But it is what gives rise to the Trumpian forces too: they see the hypocrisy of these Islamic nations.You speak of it so lightly, trivializing hate speech. Billions of muslims in the world and most don't even have anything to do with state affairs. How many are peacefully and assimilating in western nations? Hundreds of millions.

Rounding up might not happen but that sort of rhetoric gets repeated and seeps into the minds of people. End result, the majority of everyday muslims who have no violent desires have to deal with the end result of the hate speech you're putting out there. Guys like Dylan Roof become emboldened by speech like yours and end up shooting up an entire church. I'm sure you scoff when black people put the "oppressor" tag on all white people, but here you're doing the same but worse. Labeling an entire group of people as Barbarians and calling for rounding up innocent people. You mock Trump, but you're calling for something worse than anything he's ever proposed, unapologetic and doubling down. Shameful.

Sirioja
11-01-20, 20:26
I mean maybe not in your opinion, but in my opinion I think cutting other people's head off in church is quite a big sign of unhappy immigrant, man French people must respect other people's religion more instead of making fun of their religion with cartoon, this is ture, France declared religious warfare by insulting Muslim people is what happened. Plus France lost the control again with covid 19 as well, very busy country with many chaos.You really should inform yourself before writing. This Tunisian who is from a country which is close for culture to France, arrived in Lampedusa Italian island on September and was refused to stay in Italy, then he entered in France illegally on beginning of October, to kill 2 women and a priest in a church 3 weeks later. Immigrant? Terrorist for sure. Ask Tchetchen who cut a teacher head parents about what they think about their son who asked asylum to France which welcome him, action, do they prefer to return to misery in Tchetcheny? I m pretty sure they don't want, they prefer France. Most of Imans in France support freedom in France, only few integrists want to kill, not even respecting Coran. Muslim Balkanian parents shaved their daughter head because she was in love for a Christian Serbian, poor girl, her parents were sent off France, but what will she become after such traumatism? Many muslims in France and I m pretty sure most prefer to live in France rather than returning to their origins level of life, even when born in France, when so many Germans, UK, NL, Belgium, prefer to live with french quality of life rather than in their own country, Germany can't compete with France for quality of life, except rich Bavaria and south Germany. Better to know a bit, and yes, France is land of freedom, no other country can compete for this, maybe why number 1 for tourism, also because of our rich culture. I m happy to see real artist superstar Stevie Wonder supporting Biden, wish Black won't be shot anymore for nothing.

Mursenary
11-01-20, 20:36
The most pathetic guys during this pathetic are the younger ones who have only felt a female's touch with hookers. Imagine being 35-40 years old and haven't even been on a date in 10 years, if ever. They never actually ever had to earn the opposite sex's admiration either by physical attractiveness or ability to be "not creepy. ". I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."

Sirioja
11-01-20, 21:26
Pessimist: Mursenary is Takedown along with several other more or less used accounts, including the one who sent out those PM's and who accused random people of multiple nicks a few months back.

He is however not McAdonis. McAdonis does not use multiple nicks.And also escape artist? Some guys use several profiles, fakers for me, when only one me.

Mongerer88
11-01-20, 21:29
We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.

But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?

And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment..You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.

A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.

You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.

I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.

One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.

And I don’t understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?

Pessimist
11-01-20, 21:31
You speak of it so lightly, trivializing hate speech. Billions of muslims in the world and most don't even have anything to do with state affairs. How many are peacefully and assimilating in western nations? Hundreds of millions.

Rounding up might not happen but that sort of rhetoric gets repeated and seeps into the minds of people. End result, the majority of everyday muslims who have no violent desires have to deal with the end result of the hate speech you're putting out there. Guys like Dylan Roof become emboldened by speech like yours and end up shooting up an entire church. I'm sure you scoff when black people put the "oppressor" tag on all white people, but here you're doing the same but worse. Labeling an entire group of people as Barbarians and calling for rounding up innocent people. You mock Trump, but you're calling for something worse than anything he's ever proposed, unapologetic and doubling down. Shameful.Oh please, get off your high horse! It seems to me that you have been smarting from a prior debate which you aborted because you had no clue to respond, claimed you were offended by a remark I made about you and McAdonis, and now trying to take potshots at me on the slightest pretext for the supposed slight you suffered then.

It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.

The behavior of millions of Moslems in France and all over the middle East, that of Erdogan and bin Salmon and other Sheikhs over there was nothing short of disgraceful. The boycott of French products at a time like this and which is joined in practice by millions of Moslem shoppers shows that the rank and file Moslem indeed sympathizes with the beheaders and throat slitters. Such people deserve nothing more a absolute condemnation and worse. And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.

I hope you are a bit less pompous in your real life. You would be insufferable if you are actually like you presented yourself above.

ExpatLover
11-01-20, 21:55
Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " égorgés les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.

SinglePro
11-01-20, 21:59
If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most sane peoples' minds. No fair-minded, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated! Sadly, there are many sell out, psychotic, self loathing, and traitorous individuals who would argue otherwise.

Pessimist
11-01-20, 22:00
We have needs. Restrictions, foreign and domestic, travel bans, bar closures, hotel and FKK shutdowns, all those essentials to our monger travel is an awful bitterness and irritation. The longer restrictions last, the stronger will be the resentment.

But how can you suggest that a commercial sex in the US is a free market? P6 is illegal in the US. That's a major force driving the prices up. For europeans, there are a lot more legal P6 options compared to the US. Your post is misleading. Independent escort websites are banned in the US. They can easily be police traps. If you wish to risk your reputation, sure. Sorry, my whole career is ruined if I get caught. So which independent escort websites you are talking about, specifically?

And Pahllus is right: Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that american women love the most. Degenerate code words and anyone's guesses what they mean in which context. This is not a P6, it's a resentment.

Arrest is nothing. You get to see a judge the next day, or a Monday, if you had to spend a weekend at the police station. Not to worry, you sleep on a "bed" without a mattress and they bring you a Big Mac or a cheeseburger from the local McDonalds. You pay your fine and you go home, but your arrest record, your charges, your real name become public. Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state.

Critical assessment of one's country is not unpatriotic. Emigration and immigration are not unpatriotic or patriotic, either. It's an open-minded and basic human right to move to another part of the world. I understand what Pahllus writes. My bewilderment is what freedom you are talking about."Seeking Arrangement is a completely time wasteful, endless cat and mouse game that American women love the most".

You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.

Isn't the point to accept the situation, accept that you are not going to change the world and make everyone see your point of view, but adapt to the surroundings and make use of the resource (which SA is. To me and many others), rather than condemn it? Granted, SA may not work for everyone. But that means there is mismatch between your needs and the resource. Find another resource that suits you instead of condemning the entire society and country.

"Arrest is nothing. . Your employer and your family will be glad to find out delicious details. Oh, freedom, such a simple word to casually toss around. US is a police state."

I assume these are things you imagine would happen, and did not actually happen to you. Or did they?

You know someone personally that went through the above? If not first hand info, please tell me what you wrote above is at least 2nd hand info.

I don't see that M88 has praised America as a paradise. He is saying US has pluses and minuses. He is a pragmatic man, he knows he will not change this world but is making the best life for himself as he sees fit (I guess; I don't know him personally, I never exchanged any PMs with him).

This is a country that provides a high standard of living to many. The P6 you speak of: you are able to afford the money because you are making it here. You could be based in Spain, prostitution is legal, but you might make much less money to actually enjoy it.

To claim US is a police state because your mongering activities are curtailed is absurd. Last I checked, mongering is not a fundamental right enshrined in first amendment.

I Googled and prostitution is legal in Colombia, Equador, many others. Hardly anyone thinks drug infested LatAm countries like those are beacons of liberty and US is a police state. And would you be better off being born in those countries as opposed to here, being located there now?

There are many genuinely oppressive police states; to trivialize them by calling US a police state is an extreme.

ExpatLover
11-01-20, 22:04
If the immigrant is unhappy in France, why not just move to where he is happy? Or go back to his origin country where his religion is not mocked by others? You can't move to a new country and expect them to change their own culture or religion to your liking. France was way too tolerant with immigrants for too long, and this is exactly what happens when you lose control of your own country for too long. Cutting other people's head off is brutal terrorism and should never be condoned. Never. Never ever. Period.Just because they make their living in France, social benefits are the highest in the world, beginning of the months when the French government pays the social benefits so many bank transfers are taking place to Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and a lot of other African countries. Of course no migrant is targeting Poland, or Hungary, or Romania they know they will get 0 social benefits. It is a industry. I left France several years back and I will never come back.

BrahmaPoutre
11-01-20, 22:09
That's the kind of reaction that immediately comes to most people mind. No sane, objective, and reasonable person would argue with your logic. Very well stated!I would have said narrow minded people.

Smoke Light
11-01-20, 22:42
You and Phallus are the ones who do the misleading posts, in my opinion.

A website of an independent escort who has reviews is simply not a trap by the police.

You take Backpage sting operations and invalidly extrapolate that to situations that are not synonymous to fool those who don't educate themselves as to how the system works.

I would never advise someone to book an inexpensive session through a mass advertising site. They do risk arrest that way.

One of the reasons the USA Scene is expensive is that to be left alone by law enforcement, the lady needs to screen and to incur overhead costs of having things like a website and other escort contacts.

And I dont understand the mistrust and negativity toward Seeking Arrangement ladies, especially given the favorable reviews in other threads. You are sitting across from a lady sharing a meal and ultimately discussing sex for money. How is the American SA lady so much more conniving than the Romanian sex worker prowling the FKK? Is it really something more than the price?Absolutely nothing personal. I admit, I write this because I am frustrated. Married and working 100% from home just like Pessimist describes.

But it looks like you defending points without evidence. Let's just say commercial sex for a serial monger is pretty miserable in the US. And, by the way, why US is not on the ISG forum list? And why North Korea isn't on that list, either? Hmmm.

I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.

BigBuddy69
11-01-20, 23:37
I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.

Pistons
11-02-20, 01:56
So more conspiracy theory slop thrown against the wall. Keep my name off of this board's high school drama.Not when you were the one starting the whole multiple nick drama in the first place. Then it is on topic.

Pistons
11-02-20, 02:02
Hey, I remember Takedown. He had some controversial posts. Had some interaction with him concerning FKK activities. Perhaps he'll return when FKKs reopen.Well, he is a would be doctor nurse and believes in everything fed through main stream channels. So as long as us working with communication wants people to be scared of covid-19, he'll stick around in the sex prison known as USA.

Pistons
11-02-20, 02:12
The most pathetic guys during this pathetic are the younger ones who have only felt a female's touch with hookers. Imagine being 35-40 years old and haven't even been on a date in 10 years, if ever. They never actually ever had to earn the opposite sex's admiration either by physical attractiveness or ability to be "not creepy. ". I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."LOL, no high school drama right? And by this very comment you even declare that my last post was 100% spot on. Not even an attempt to hide it.

It is funny though with Evita and you. You seem to hear thing she is not saying, and avoid hearing what she is saying. Like the one time she told us straight up that she hunted Asians only because it was easy money and less work on her pussy.

Or the two different Oase girls who came up to me and told me what a tiny penis this Thai Chinese guy had. Then tried to show me by measuring 4-5 cm with their fingers.

Mr Ho
11-02-20, 02:20
If you look carefully his profile here, he never shared any experiences with girls here on forum.I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.

However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.

BaltiX
11-02-20, 03:33
Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " gorgs les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.600,000 is not correct. It's closer to 300,000 for 2019 according to this Wiki article:https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_en_France . Where is the source for 200,000 educated and wealthy French people leaving France? I looked around and found a figure of 60,000-80,000 people leaving France each year back from a 2014 article:https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20150414.OBS7159/la-france-tu-l-aimes-mais-tu-la-quittes.html.

Pistons
11-02-20, 03:42
And his big goal in life is to try and get back on white people for having had so much sex with all his Thai cousins. So much so that their vaginus has expanded beyond his own willy's capability.

Pistons
11-02-20, 03:47
And I can understand him I suppose given all the wild great memories I have from having sex with Chinese and Thai girls in Macau / Chongping / bkk / Pattaya / Phuket where the girls wanted to marry me without me ever giving them any money. They even wanted to work for me and pay my expenses if they could only have a good sized dick filling them up every night. Expansion beyond what Asian men were able to deliver them.

At 18 sauna I was famous among the girls and even created a conflict between the Viet and Chinese girls because they had never seen a dick longer than 12 cm before, and mine was closer to 20. Just imagine what these stories does to Chinese / SE Asian men.

Pessimist
11-02-20, 03:47
I am ready for "safe and expensive" US websites with escort contacts. Somebody, anybody, send them to me. Please do. You can PM me. So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.Have you ever met a prostitute, offered her money, and she rebuffed you "huh, what do you think I am not a prostitute!

If a girl is a prostitute and she knows she is one, she will say so and take your money. The only discussion you will have is re: details & negotiation. She will not sit there arguing with you that she is not a prostitute, not for days and weeks anyway.

I see this compulsion to label SA girls as prostitutes on the part of mongers here. There must be an arrogance "if I give her money, she better be prepared to be called a prostitute, how dare she!" (I am not at all saying you have it, but I have seen it expressed explicitly in those words by a few guys here).

I don't know why we are stuck up on labels. If you are not prepared to deal with the efforts needed and other work that has to be put in finding good sugar babes, that is fine. It is most definitely an effort. But to disdain the whole thing w / o knowing what it is and dismiss with a false characterization is not logical. I have had several dozens of very satisfying arrangements from that site. But I also had to put in a lot of effort, got turned down by dozens of girls but also accepted by many. And that is the other thing. Girls reject you not because the money is not to their liking but because you are not physically their type. One of the prettiest girls I met from that site rejected me at first, told me I am not attractive enough for her. I took it in my stride, kept chatting to her regularly, she eventually agreed to meet for a lunch date and soon after we had sex and to this day, that arrangement was one of my best ever. Persistence absolutely paid off in that instance. How often do prostitutes reject mongers because they are not attractive enough? When you have a good arrangement, it feels awesome. BTW, I need to gently correct M88: $500-600 is way too high. I have had several arrangements in which I paid 200 to 300, even exactly 200 (and I have seldom paid more than 350 ever) and yet spent a couple of hours on sex alone, not to mention more time in movies, dinner dates etc. On a per hour basis, SA is actually cheaper than FKK especially the recent Artemis rip-off prices; not to mention I don't need to pay flight, no need to take a week off, no need for all the other expenses. I wrote this recently in the SA thread as well. Earlier in the year prior to the pandemic, I spent 3 or 4 dates with a 20 year old Latina girl, one of them in a matinee movie. It had nice reclining chairs, almost like full beds, and we spent more than the half movie making out in the back row. And I still had not given any money to her yet. Later we did have sex and she asked for $150 gift (it was her first arrangement and she had no idea how much to ask). I gave her a bit more and felt lousy afterwards because she deserved at least $250 given the number of hours she spent with me. I was a cheap bastard. I still have her number as I do of several prior arrangements. If and when Covid feels a bit better, I will resume all those relationships. I know many of them are hurting for money and would love to meet and receive some help in return.

There is a thread with lots of detailed reports and info. Not a plug, I am not the owner of that thread. But the freelance sugarbabe type relationship is here to stay in my view. Not Easy for LE to control it because I don't mention sex in any of my communications with the girl, ever. It is understood.

Mursenary
11-02-20, 04:06
Oh please, get off your high horse! It seems to me that you have been smarting from a prior debate which you aborted because you had no clue to respond, claimed you were offended by a remark I made about you and McAdonis, and now trying to take potshots at me on the slightest pretext for the supposed slight you suffered then.

It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.

The behavior of millions of Moslems in France and all over the middle East, that of Erdogan and bin Salmon and other Sheikhs over there was nothing short of disgraceful. The boycott of French products at a time like this and which is joined in practice by millions of Moslem shoppers shows that the rank and file Moslem indeed sympathizes with the beheaders and throat slitters. Such people deserve nothing more a absolute condemnation and worse. And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.

I hope you are a bit less pompous in your real life. You would be insufferable if you are actually like you presented yourself above.
I am* guessing you and Mursenary are friends hence you keep propping each other up. That is fine with me,*shouldn't have butted in. Peace.Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.

You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.

You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east.

If voicing out against the unapologetic bigotry of mass deportation is pompous then well, we've established pretty low bar. My hope and inclination is that you don't actually feel that way towards the majority of Muslims who have no part in this; but rather, this is just an example of poor emotional control. But faced with a real human in front you, my bet is that you wouldn't dare utter those ridiculous words.

But I see you bud. Out here fake intellecting and all.

Mursenary
11-02-20, 04:08
I met a guy like that in LR but he was more like a leprechaun or a kobold.I've met both. Very similar in their delusions of grandeur.

Mursenary
11-02-20, 04:41
So far the only advise I am getting is SA, which is quite useless. I am not going to deal with prostitutes who think they are not prostitutes.LOL. As a 38 year old man out here still trying to score early 20's civilian chicks, I come across that here and there and have the same thoughts. Once I jokingly asked a stripper if she was a prostitute after she suggested that I buy her $500 sneakers and she was actually offended.

Mursenary
11-02-20, 05:49
I would have said narrow minded people.Nativism and nationalism has taken root bro. Crazy bleeding heart, feel good libs asking for too much and threatened, short-sighted, beta male nativists on the other side.

Many references to "acting out of fear" on this and numerous boards. The most prominent fear-fueled reactions that I've seen over the past several years is the fear of traditional folks being uprooted by competition. I saw the intimidation of backwards people acting out of fear when confronted by hard working immigrants or the same people being intimidated by big black cocks fucking "their" women.

Pahllus Maximus
11-02-20, 07:36
Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.

Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.

It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.

SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.

Pahllus Maximus
11-02-20, 07:39
Well put. Hookers pretending to be "regular girls" needing some extra allowance. Waddles, quacks, looks like a duck and I know one when I see it.

If there is a safe, no hassle, no game playing, no up-sell, tips or other lack of transparency, sign me up!

Sirioja
11-02-20, 08:34
I'm not a specialist of Coran, but I know what huge majority of Muslims and most of Imans say, they don't support these murderers, they say: this is not our religion to do this, and I'm pretty sure most prefer to keep on living in France. I was born, studied, always lived and worked in Paris and around, I don't plan to leave my boat, I will just go in my beloved mountains when I can finish to work, but can t yet. For sure, France is land of free mind like me, like Charlie who never criticized the religion. I only know Italy to compete for quality of life, Spain being third. Tourism figures talk when small France is number 1, with Paris number 1 before NYC, LA, Rio. I think Italy number 2 and Spain number 4. Where people like to go to enjoy their free like freedom time. So many Western Europeans prefer to live in small France with rich culture, good foods, best wines, rather than in their sad country, even I love London. Only Saint Petersburg, Roma, Firenze, Barcelona and maybe Vienna can compete with Paris for me. For sure, all the world know about freedom to think in China, when Chinese are scared of their government.

ExpatLover
11-02-20, 08:56
Sorry they are not claiming they are, so for you they act like the Christians 700 hundred back nice progress of the civilization. Advice you to go to Miami, Detroit, Chicago by night to see if really the police, the justice is doing the job by allowing such kind of things. Today how many 10 years old children can not speak or write fluently English, it is the same in France. Such like the justice the education is far too permissive which lead to the poorer getting from far more criminals, the widening of the segregation of the population, and the difficulty for the poor children to access to well paid jobs. The middle and high class always find a way to bring their children to good school and later to get good jobs. The solution is not to fuck a prostitute buck to make yourself attractive enough that girls want to date you. I never paid for sex before I was 45 and I advice every one to do the same.

Pessimist
11-02-20, 12:22
Amusing to see some flame wars, down to childish accusations of micro penis / IQ. Takedown has a fine mind and is a good person, and argues reasonably and is evidence driven. Yay.

Of the many issues here: there have been barbaric acts carried out by persons claiming to be muslim. Christians have done some pretty bad stuff too in the past, breaking on the wheel, burning at the stake etc etc. Most religions are bad. Christopher Hitchens writes better than me and explains how religion phucks up everything. And that includes the USA that has a stupidity infection. Slogans etc.

It does affect P4 P: illegality adds cost, and chills demand. In Germany, sex is like what restaurant to pick. Harmless, efficient, clean, safe and easy at a good price, and the girls are mostly charming and feminine. Compare that to mostly tattooed fat, entitled, foul mouthed American women. I am not comparing US to say Columbia. But as a 1st world western democracy, we have indeed become data prison and police state. I cannot wait for a char grilled steak, a walk down the kurdamm or where ever, and knowing that getting high quality sex is a safe, high choice, zero hassle easy exercise.

SA is backpage pretending not to be straight out hookers in a typical American euphemism.Wow. What a rant indeed! You seem to have a vendetta against SA. Since you bring, is your bitterness against SA "data driven" as you put it or is it uninformed bias as is the rest of your comment? There are many sites and resources that I try out, and if I don't like them or find them useful I move on but I seldom have the type of bitterness about them that you are exhibiting. You almost sound like you want to get back at SA and perhaps even all sugarbabe sites out of resentment.

It is simple: if the site is useless and all the girls are skanks and ripoffs, then there would not be a large number of men paying $80 a month to stay on it presumably? Guys who pay that much have a better idea whether it is worth it or not, far more than a foul mouthed bitter person ranting about it on ISG perhaps?

And what's up with phuck? This is one of the few sites where you can say fuck w / o your comment getting moderated out. Are you trying to come up with an alternative language and spelling because you have had it with America and English language?

Ararat
11-02-20, 14:14
It is rich that I am getting called a bleeding liberal by Shoe Swede and Gino and a hate monger and as being worse than Trump by you. If I am getting pelted with stones from left and right, I must be in the middle.
Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.

BTW,

Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.

Pessimist
11-02-20, 15:16
Such is they way people behave these days. It's not only the stereotypical young feminsts that are crazy these days. It affects 'everyone'.

BTW,

Shoe Swede as you call him is has a user name in ghetto sociolect from Sweden that I have no idea what it means more than I've seen it.Thank you Mr. Ararat! I was not aware of the meaning of his name; we learn something new every day.

On a side note / rant: some guys here (not all, but a few) have the mindset that prostitution is a god given right and every society should provide FKK style access to prostitution at extremely affordable prices with better than adequate services provided by attractive 20 something girls in every city and town or else it deserves to be called a police state.

The reality is that in all of human history, such FKKs have existing for a couple of decades in a single country; and of course some countries have provided access to legalized prostitution for a bit longer albeit not in as attractive settings as FKKs. I am not an expert on Brazil / Thailand, and leave it to The Cane and others who are very knowledgeable there.

But does it mean a society's status as a police state is solely based on access to affordable / legal / widespread / prostitution at every nook and corner? Sweden does not have it, and it is no one's idea of a police state.

This link below has some data. Did not verify their classifications myself. Belize, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Hungary (Orban), Bangladesh, India, yadda yadda all have it legal. I guess our single-axis definers would then define them as free states. US is classified as having limited legal, along with JP, UK, Australia, France. Presumably all of them are also police states? I will leave it to our "data driven master".

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-where-prostitution-is-legal

Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?

I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.

Gino02
11-02-20, 16:23
It's a sad day today!

Europe is pretty much locked down now for the stupid virus, really sad day for us mongers.

And shops are boarding up all over the USA to prevent post-election lootings. Very sad day for Americans, never imagined that USA could go this low.

Pessimist
11-02-20, 20:48
Looks like you got the facts wrong there bud. Seems like you're the one who peace out first, pretty much exactly when presented with data that undermined your point.

You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France / other western nations due to their religious affiliation and later unapologetically doubled downed. Now you're using state sanctioned boycotts to further support condemnation of innocent people. No high horse needed to point out the dangerous bigotry being promoted. You are no better than the Trumpers in your rhetoric.

You don't have to be left or right to be a hate monger. Attaching left versus right dichotomy labels is very revealing of an inability to parse through nuances and reveals a simplistic world view. Furthermore, proposing extremist reaction to extremist actions makes you no better than the war mongers in the middle east..That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).

As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met. As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?

To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.

BrahmaPoutre
11-02-20, 21:48
I get where you are tying to go, but I do sometimes even though I do not see any point doing that, so read back carefully.

However, why do you come on forum to pick a fight or point finger at others? It shows your limited mongering experiences and happiness in your life because I am happy guy with my sex life since age 17 as most mongers with good lives are, so I got nothing to rant or point finger at anybody, what is your purpose in doing this? Please answer as I like to know your mental state behind such a negative attitude.Why do ask again why?

I thought you would get it when I pointed out that you write here every day but I never read any decent reports of a visit in FKK from you.

But OK, no need to insist, I would not bother you again with that because now FKK are closed, so I have no reason to spend more time here (from March to June when FKK were closed, I almost didn't connect because mainly I am only interested by reports here, I am personally not really interested by all the general discussions, not really my cup of tea.)

Ararat
11-02-20, 23:28
Look, to the general public, mongering is hardly on the radar. It is of interest only to some men. I did a Google search and it says 14-20% of American men use prostitution. That is a lower percent than the number of men who admitted they have used marijuana at some point in their life. No one called US a police state because marijuana was illegal. Or perhaps some marijuana forums do call US a police state, I don't know, I am not a member on such forums. I just searched dog fighting also and apparently even that abhorrent "sport" has a sizable following. I don't know what sorta gripes fans of dog fighting have because their "sport" is illegal; perhaps they too call US a police state because their sport is illegal?

I am a monger as is everyone here and have full sympathy for the current predicament many of us are in, but it is an extreme to be calling US (or any other country for that matter) a police state because they do not have ready access to thousands of nubile girls primed to suck and fuck for 50. This country has many legitimate faults and a lot of minorities and others do suffer badly at the hands of police occasionally and the income / wealth disparity has driven millions into despair far worse than any lack of access to prostitution does to men. I have a rolodex of sugar babes who are nice and are hurting for cash in this pandemic and would love to see me, I would love to see them but I am staying put for a number of reasons and staying away from them. I wish I could be in FKKs as well, or meeting my sugar babes but I am able to control myself and I did not die of too much blue ball syndrome. Please let us have some perspective on this.Agreed. I find it very annoying with some people who think it's their right to visit prositutes even during a pandemic. This isn't even on my radar of things to complain about.

We are all here so I'd think we could all expect some common courtesy that nobody's against prostitution on the forum but some of us can see how little it means to the vast majority of people. Besides, I find that it meant a whole lot less to me than I thought. Once my foreign business trips dried up and the opportunity to monger did too I realized I haven't actually missed the clubs the entire summer. It's not until about now I started to think about it. The lack of travel on the other hand or the restrictions (and even then Sweden have virtually none compared to many other countries) or the fact that my employer is in a bad mood right now. These are the things that bother me.

Not that I can't get a BBBJ from a Romanian in Sharks or World.

Smoke Light
11-03-20, 00:29
You tried it? How long did you spend on the site, how many women have you met? Care to share any experiences? I have been on that site for 4+ years, nearing 5. My experiences have been very positive. I have written about them in both German threads and also in the dedicated SA thread on ISG. Many others contribute in the SA thread, and what you said above is not a sentiment shared by those. I pay $80 a month voluntarily to be on the site because it provides something of value; no one put a gun to me to stay on.No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.

It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.

Mursenary
11-03-20, 00:42
That second snippet which you oh so cleverly chopped had a bunch of rebuttals. You had zero clue how to respond because you and McAdonis made up some nonsense about absolute income levels and crime indices which was not supported in your own data tables. Then you used that line about McA and you as an excuse to abort it. At least McA had the decency to keep quiet and I could have called on it back then but I had no interest either. But I guess you could not let go. Do you really feel others are not able to read? I can also cut and paste all that history but it is all pointless and anyone who cares can easily look it up. But it appears to me you have some anger issues and keep dredging things up (and that seems inline with the comments people made about your past).Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you want your weak ass argument refuted, sure. Your rebuttal ignored the overwhelming data cited where average age and crime were directly correlated and picked out data outliers and used them as your argument. That's a basic logical fallacy of debate, the outlier fallacy or is it proof by example? Can't remember, I quit debate team in 10th grade. Data will always have outliers, citing the outliers while ignoring the overwhelming trend is pretty much a cardinal sin of data analysis. Ignoring the majority of data and focusing on the bits that fit your argument and somehow you think you made a strong case? Perhaps if you said, "I see the trend but what is the reasoning behind these outliers," it would have led to a productive discussion but nope, you just wanted to win an argument using flawed logic.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php


As for the rest of the garbage you typed in the middle paragraphs, please spare me. I don't need morality lectures from crazy leftists or right wingers, I am happy in my own skin. It appears you are Chinese or Thai per Pistons, and if so you should take a look at the land of your ancestors how they treat Moslems and African Americans instead of venting against Whites. I personally have no clue what your ethnicity is and I could not care in the slightest but if it is true, it would behoove you to take a look in the mirror once in a while. I have to say you have a lot of nerve making up stuff about people you never met ("I'm sure you scoff when black people" -- in your prior comment for example). I think you said you are young (although not that much younger than me I guess) and it seems your immaturity matches your "youth" based on the liberties you take writing about people you never met. Dafuq? What dafuq does my race have anything to do with anything? And when did I vent against white people? Pretty sure my statement of "oppressor" is one that criticized the crazy lefties who used that word to describe white people.

First, do you attach all humans to a government's actions? How simplistic. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?

Anyway, last time I checked my passport said "United States of America. " But perhaps you are one of those people who ask, "but where are you really from?" and don't accept non-white people as being truly American. Actually, that mindset matches your deportation statement. Yep, checks out. I'll recognize that you have made many knowledgeable points in previous posts but man, after reading your thought process on race, religion, and nationality, it's apparent that your socio-cultural IQ is garbage.

Side note, my recommendation is to not hitch your wagon to Piston's devil tongue as I've learned a bit too late that honesty is not one of his strong suits. But hey, I'll leave the judgement of character to your own devices. Tread carefully.


As for the absurd accusation "You promoted rounding up and deportation of innocent people living in France", if you bother to take a close look, I referred to the barbarians that implicitly cheered the beheadings and I did not say all Moslems in FR should be deported (I even said majority are probably against it) but I guess your anger issues cloud your reading skills. In any case, are you a fucking mind reformer? Have you ever patronized GT which per recent discussion has a discriminating door policy, and what should we say about your willingness to attend a club that you knew actively stops dark people but not you?
For once, I agree with you 100%. France needs to be tougher. All these Muslims went to France because they wanted to, France did not abduct them from the ghettos they lived in their home countries. If they can't put up with their mullah and allah ribbed a little, they should have stayed in their homeland ghettos. The weird thing is that at least a majority of the Muslims in France must be aghast at these atrocities committed by their Islamic brothers, but as usual, they always keep quiet but raise their heads only when their beloved prophet is insulted. France should round these barbarians up and ship them back to their homeland. That is one action I would be fully supportive of.

I thought god is someone that is supposed to take care of you when you are in trouble, but these idiot barbarians get themselves into trouble trying to protect their god and the dignity of god. What a twisted world they live in.I don't see where you delineate the difference between the violent extremists and peaceful Muslims. Actually, the deportation comment came directly after you mentioned the majority lot. Is it your poor writing? Or is it my third grade reading level? I dunno, you look a little closer.

As for GT, I would say that they should change their door policy. I have racist friends and family and recognize their flaws, does not mean they are worthless associations. I'm pretty sure despite your hatemonger statements, you have some good qualities too.


To your last line, more nonsense. I never claimed I was any sort of intellectual but you have made multiple references to your profession in an effort to pull rank. I missed the part where your Nobel prize was verified by ISG that you come strutting around throwing darts at others for being fake intellectuals. Some others have made less charitable remarks about your credentials but I don't need to repeat them.Pretty sure I've just mentioned my profession in relation to coronavirus topics. If that means pulling rank, then yes, I do feel that I know more about that topic than the rest of the posters here. If that makes you or anyone else insecure, I'm not sure how to solve that problem for you guys. Go get a medical degree? Become a nurse? Maybe just paramedic school?

Pessimist
11-03-20, 02:30
Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if you want your weak ass argument refuted, sure. Your rebuttal ignored the overwhelming data cited where average age and crime were directly correlated and picked out data outliers and used them as your argument. That's a basic logical fallacy of debate, the outlier fallacy or is it proof by example? Can't remember, I quit debate team in 10th grade. Data will always have outliers, citing the outliers while ignoring the overwhelming trend is pretty much a cardinal sin of data analysis. Ignoring the majority of data and focusing on the bits that fit your argument and somehow you think you made a strong case? Perhaps if you said, "I see the trend but what is the reasoning behind these outliers," it would have led to a productive discussion but nope, you just wanted to win an argument using flawed logic.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php

Dafuq? What dafuq does my race have anything to do with anything? And when did I vent against white people? Pretty sure my statement of "oppressor" is one that criticized the crazy lefties who used that word to describe white people.

First, do you attach all humans to a government's actions? How simplistic. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?.Oh fuck off. First off all, in my view it is far more likely that you are more of a researcher in health sciences area than being an actual physician. I have enough doctors in my family to know one when I see one. From Pistons comment it appears he actually met you and hence there may be a lot of truth to his comments and observations. As for being insecure. My wife and I have paid 200 grand taxes annually for 10 years and nearer to 250 for the last 5; we pay 60 grand tuition annually for our kids' private schools alone, far more than most people pay here for mongering. My partners and I created some well paying jobs for a handful of people, yes even a couple of minorities; I have done more than my bit for society; the last thing I will ever be in this life anymore is to be financially insecure, especially in the presence of a pompous fool like you.

Now I get what others have said about you that you keep changing your avatars because you are always being nasty and probably get kicked off the site. It appears that being a race warrior is your hobby horse; I have no idea if you got bullied for being Asian when you were in grade school and taking it out on White FKK WGs and anonymous members on ISG, but your accusations are wasted.

For the last 6 months, I have been waging a lone battle against Gino right here about discriminatory admission policies that related too Asians like you. You have no idea who I am, what I have been etc but throw random race accusations because you have anger management issues. *If I were as dense as you* I would have said you are siding with the throat slitters and beheaders and you are an Islamic terrorist sympathizer. Whatever you are will not make the least difference to me because more than anything else you appear to be a resentful, self-righteous, pseudo-PC race warrior who is also a huge hypocrite when it suits him and frequents discriminatory clubs and then comes and lectures the rest of us.

Anyway, I am sure you will come up more asinine kitchen sink accusations, and that is fine with me. Enough time wasted on a troll like you; bye.

Mursenary
11-03-20, 02:38
Dude, is this your first experience in forum posting? There was no need to quote the rest of your post as that wasn't the point. The last part was quoted because it was the part that mattered. As in, you just made a weak argument but concluded with "peace. " You literally "peaced" out after crying about 2 other people disagreeing with you but somehow you took that as making an irrefutable point? That's both a pussy move and also a bit of hedging your bet, no? But if youLittle green light. 5 bucks says Pessimist is writing another emotional diatribe that ignores points that he knows is indefensible.

Pessimist
11-03-20, 02:40
No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.

It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.That is fine, and sorry I didn't mean to have a harsh tone. I thought Phallus' post was unnecessarily combative but I thought you were a bit like me: looking for some pay and play opportunities. You did mention you are open to mongering options in the US. One of the reasons I prefer SA is because you can control the dialog end to end and abort anytime if things don't smell right.

Whether you want to be on SA or not is your choice obviously but perhaps you might want to read up on the ISG thread. Even your comment above ("The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much") has a lot of misconceptions in my view. I have written lengthy notes about how things work on SA in the dedicated thread, others have too, and it is not productive to repeat any of that. A simple reading will suffice and if you have any more questions, we can discuss then. But in my view, SA feels a lot more secure than escort sites, although M88 might not agree. Perhaps it is a question of personal preference.

Mr Ho
11-03-20, 02:41
Covid has me holed up in my home country. Some weeks ago I sessioned an escort who is as beautiful as the average hot FKK girl. Her problem is that she apparently burns the candle at both ends and appears to not take care of her health (probably eats lots of junk food) and does not get enough sleep. She is very much in demand and so far I have had many encounters with her. Unusually for me each session I have had with her has been better than the previous one. The last one I had last week was phenomenal. Is this because of not being able to bang hot FKK girls and getting accustomed to US hookers? I find myself requesting her time and again. I am going to call for her again today.If demand is so high and escort do exist in USA, then I wonder why no supplier supply it properly in business mind nation like USA! I hope there is Larryflynt for prostitution industry soon for the sake and comfort of you guys! Someone need to break the ice as even though law is grey, there is people doing it, so only thing they need is to improve the quality and so many immigrants in USA, so talents are there for sure! Or do it by border on the side of Mexico!

Mr Ho
11-03-20, 03:20
Today, met a Russian escort from Peter, disappointed by her face, I would not have gone with her in brothels, but she kissed me like she was really in love, with sweetness and tenderness, had to stop her but real enjoyment, reminded me Daria at LR who asked me to bring her a photo of me, and now, have no more climbing highest test, but I think I win for pleasure versus China and I won't buy any of their tests nor vaccines in future, their quality is not reliable enough.I agree that Chinese communist party was responsible for the spread of virus by hiding the information even arresting a Chinese doctor who first raised voice about the virus (he later died), but for very high spread in Europe is due to people doing whatever they want during pandemic.

Look, government tell you to wear mask, people gather together and protest! Government tell you to stay home, people gather and protest! Government tell you to stay home, people gather to protest, government declare lock down, people gather together to have a last big party before the lock down LOL! I mean what do you think going to happen? Very high infection rate and high death rates, the death of people who did not need to die if there was some discipline in society!

Also I would say during summer, people in Europe was doing whatever they wanted as if virus is not there, going to places, holiday etc., so again what do you think is the result of this? High infection rate and death of innocent people who did not need to die.

Based on this above fact and it is hard to control people in Europe, I begin to think Swedish model may suit European mentality the best! European people cannot refrain themselves from doing things they want to do, so you might as well install Swedish model of trying to get immune to the virus by paying high price of many deaths.

I also think escort in smaller scale to do not add to virus spread, but more like gathering together in pub, bar, restaurants, discos, FKK main bar or even protesting on street shouting in close range etc are more of a risk to spread virus!

But France now got extra fight on top of the virus, France just declared war on Muslim people, so it maybe good that it is locking down now, less terrorism target as people are not out there on street! But this religious warfare in France and some part of Europe is nothing new, becoming like part of the culture as it never stop!

Mr Ho
11-03-20, 03:29
"I remember Evita at Sharks looking asking me about the a strange nordic guy that kept following me around. She asked, "why is he so strange. He looks like Frankenstein."Why was he following you around in FKK? Is he gay or something or he had some beef against you over some prostitute or something?

I heard of guys who do not get along in FKK because of a girl they both go with LOL They apparently are jealous that FKK girl is going with both of them! What they failed to understand is that FKK is a brothel and girls inside are prostitutes LOL.

This happen with girls in FKK too, I have been asked by my regular girls questions like what does she do to you in room? With my other regular girl as if she does not understand why I do not only go with her, I always use this to my advantage to increase service level as girls even prostitutes like to compete LOL!

Pessimist
11-03-20, 04:22
No, I haven't tried Seeking Arrangements. Each time I open SA thread I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread and I am getting lost in region-specific code words and tactics. Honestly I don't have time or motivation for a concept with an unknown rate of success in the end. The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much.

It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.Here are a few comments I made on ISG's SA thread.

I just listed a couple of my own comments. There are several other comments. The guys in that thread are generally very helpful and nice.

"I struggle because it's so geographically wide spread" -- all it means is that you have girls in practically every location in the world and you have access to them all. In these pandemic times, we are hardly traveling. So, you are likely going to focus on your home city. One caveat: A lot depends on where you live based on my experience. We have had some disagreements in the SA thread on this issue. I use SA extensively when I travel within USA -- it is a nice feeling to have a girl in your hotel room after a day at work on the road. What I have experienced is that prices are high in the expensive locations as can be expected. I am lucky enough to live in a reasonably inexpensive but also large enough city. I have consistently paid 300 to 400 for a couple of hours in Boston whereas in my own home city, prices are much less. I have pretty much given up on trying to find sugarbabes in SF. One girl asked for $200 gift upfront just to meet for dinner and then negotiate what we wanted. I said sayonara and hung up and was content getting a drink in the downstairs bar. BTW, I use SA in Europe a decent amount (not in DE because I am happy to stay with FKKs) and had had fantastic deals in Spain and other countries. It is funny that Romie girls have to fake as being Spanish / Catalan, whereas I had real Catalan girls right in Barcelona for a couple of hundred for awesome sex.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2493410&viewfull=1#post2493410.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2450030&viewfull=1#post2450030.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2439868&viewfull=1#post2439868.

Sirioja
11-03-20, 09:36
Not respecting Coran, are so sure about it? May be you know " gorgs les tous" , do you know what is Ummah? Your vision of France is completely out of the reality, how many places in France you can't visit? The migrants just come to France for the social benefits, they have 0 interest to find job or to integrate. Every year 600000 migrants mostly Muslim enter France, and 200000 French people mostly educated and belonging to the middle or high class quit France. Land of freedom, when girls with short dress can t take the subway or the bus after 10 PM, land of freedom when in Saint Denis you can t sell pork or alcohol, please open your eyes before you are completely ridiculous.When you claim to know so much my country, when I worked for many years mostly repairing but also renovating buildings, with few destructions, in Saint Denis, Pierrefite, Sarcelles, Garges les Gonesses, les Mureaux, but I m sad for Austrians when Austria is a quiet country with wonderful Vienna. Like in France, nothing about immigration and Muslim religion or Coran, but only integrist terrorism, like in NYC, in France, and now small Austria.

Pistons
11-03-20, 09:48
. Second, you don't know if I am Chinese or Thai but yet you attach me to 2020 Chinese government atrocities? So all people of Asian decent are lumped together for you? Should I question you about German Holocausts atrocities? Come on Pessimist, why did your people do those horrible things to all of those innocent Jews and Gypsies? Is any of this getting through?

Anyway, last time I checked my passport said "United States of America. " But perhaps you are one of those people who ask, "but where are you really from?" and don't accept non-white people as being truly American. Actually, that mindset matches your deportation statement. Yep, checks out. I'll recognize that you have made many knowledgeable points in previous posts but man, after reading your thought process on race, religion, and nationality, it's apparent that your socio-cultural IQ is garbage.

Side note, my recommendation is to not hitch your wagon to Piston's devil tongue as I've learned a bit too late that honesty is not one of his strong suits. But hey, I'll leave the judgement of character to your own devices. Tread carefully.1. I am more honest than you ever were.

2. When it comes to dick size, passports are useless. Thai / Chinese is in such a context more appropriate.

As a side-note. American cock size is also a useless term given how few native Americans are left. Unless you are a wannabe native American. Not that I have measured their cock sizes.

3. Native Americans killed their own people en masse in genocides far more brutal than even the holocaust or pol pot in Cambodia. The Aztecs of Mexico have some fascinating stories.

4. I believe Pessimist was referring current day racism in Thailand and China. But given you haven't been there much, I suppose you may be given a pass on this. But it might be something worth reading up on. Or checking out for yourself. It is on a level far above racism in USA.

Pistons
11-03-20, 09:50
And devil-tongue?

Well, I am not a Satanist. I am actually convinced Christians, Muslims and Jews are all Satanists without knowing it themselves. Maybe except for the top leaders. I consider myself more of a Luciferian. Which is anti-devil.

Pahllus Maximus
11-03-20, 19:03
No bitterness at all with SA. If it works for some folks, that's great. Free world. And as to some other comments, this board is dedicated to connoisseurs of prime fillies and discussion about the quality and logistics of that activity, along with related lifestyle choices such as health, fine dining and so on. The readership is mostly affluent and educated. FKK's are not a human right and more than foie gras, concerts or whatever. All of us except a few kook jobs have normal relationships with women outside of the clubs. This should not even need to be said. We seek a luxury lifestyle of beautiful women, just as some seek collecting cars, artworks, etc.

Most of us are fully aware of social / political / economic etc issues and little moral judgments that impact our hobby and freedoms, and in the USA and some Nordic countries and a few other places infected with religious claptrap curtailing sexual freedom (defined as over 18 consenting humans) the consequences are serious.

Mursenary
11-03-20, 19:25
Oh fuck off. First off all, in my view it is far more likely that you are more of a researcher in health sciences area than being an actual physician. I have enough doctors in my family to know one when I see one. From Pistons comment it appears he actually met you and hence there may be a lot of truth to his comments and observations. As for being insecure. My wife and I have paid 200 grand taxes annually for 10 years and nearer to 250 for the last 5; we pay 60 grand tuition annually for our kids' private schools alone, far more than most people pay here for mongering. My partners and I created some well paying jobs for a handful of people, yes even a couple of minorities; I have done more than my bit for society; the last thing I will ever be in this life anymore is to be financially insecure, especially in the presence of a pompous fool like you.

Now I get what others have said about you that you keep changing your avatars because you are always being nasty and probably get kicked off the site. It appears that being a race warrior is your hobby horse; I have no idea if you got bullied for being Asian when you were in grade school and taking it out on White FKK WGs and anonymous members on ISG, but your accusations are wasted..
Little green light. 5 bucks says Pessimist is writing another emotional diatribe that ignores points that he knows is indefensible.Bam, right on cue. Piston's puppet.

So all medical providers act and speak the same? What an illogical assumption. Ever thought that the physicians in your family act the same because they share another similarity? Think real hard. The physicians in your family are likely similar because they are? Hint, it starts with the same letter as Family and ends in -amily.

Yep, smarted off to the admin and got Takedown deactivated so here I am! (No hard feelings admin guys).

Hey Boomer, avatars are graphical representations. I think you are looking for the terms handle, moniker, username, etc.

I'll give you another tip, all Asians in America were bullied as kids. But you wouldn't know that because you seem to not be in touch with the normal person.

Where is the substance in this post? Oh, that's right, hard to do it when defending the indefensible. Instead of providing reasoning to debate fallacies and clarifying ridiculous hatemongering positions, there's just a series of ad hominem arguments. Poor emotional control.

Last time I checked, calling for rounding up of people by cultural grounds and political incorrectness are quite far apart on the spectrum of decency and rationality. You throwing the two in the same basket is very disingenuous. It's pretty transparent too so I don't know who you are fooling.

You lumping all Asians together regardless of actual nation of origin and insisting that an ethnic American must bear responsibility for some random other Asian nation's atrocities is all I need to know about your social IQ. Like I said, consistent with your deportation post. It's okay, we understand your mindset. Just own it and say it out loud, "I see minorities as monolithic groups and not individual people. ".

So you tie insecurity or lack thereof to income? How strange and superficial. I guess there are no other qualities to justify your self worth. How sad. Patting oneself on the back for creating jobs, wow. So you just did that out of altruism? No benefit to yourself? Fuck, I built toilets for Nicaraguans and Haitians on a mission trip and gave them free health care, but as you can see, I am no saint. Point is, your occasional good deeds do not negate general doucheness. But again, I'm pretty sure you didn't give someone a paycheck out of charity. But if that helps you sleep at night. Do your thing.

The more you speak, the more obvious your deficiencies become, but congrats, you just gave Pistons a hard on for being his puppet. I hope you meet him one day so I can hear about whatever ridiculous falling out that should arise as with Every other monger here he has ever met. The thought of little girls PMing each other about another poster, hilarious. A bit flattering, but mostly hilarious. And also a little creepy.

BTW, I'm in NYC next week. Let's rumble.

Mursenary
11-03-20, 19:36
Why was he following you around in FKK? Is he gay or something or he had some beef against you over some prostitute or something?

I heard of guys who do not get along in FKK because of a girl they both go with LOL They apparently are jealous that FKK girl is going with both of them! What they failed to understand is that FKK is a brothel and girls inside are prostitutes LOL.

This happen with girls in FKK too, I have been asked by my regular girls questions like what does she do to you in room? With my other regular girl as if she does not understand why I do not only go with her, I always use this to my advantage to increase service level as girls even prostitutes like to compete LOL!It was a charity case. Like sitting next to the weird kid at lunch when you were in grade school. Let me share another story. The same guy got all butt hurt when after we both sessioned with the same girl several times, he found out that she gave him her work number but she gave me her personal number. The look on his face when he found out, I felt a little bad for making a grown man-child cry. Honestly, I'm a little ashamed. Mother taught me to not pick on people for being born physically unattractive.

Mongerer88
11-03-20, 19:42
That is fine, and sorry I didn't mean to have a harsh tone. I thought Phallus' post was unnecessarily combative but I thought you were a bit like me: looking for some pay and play opportunities. You did mention you are open to mongering options in the US. One of the reasons I prefer SA is because you can control the dialog end to end and abort anytime if things don't smell right.

Whether you want to be on SA or not is your choice obviously but perhaps you might want to read up on the ISG thread. Even your comment above ("The whole idea of dating before sex is a huge turn off for me. I am not a good negotiator, either. What would I tell her? Zimmer? Or baby, let's take you to the nearest men's restroom and bang you there standing facing the wall in the stall? Not sure it would impress her that much") has a lot of misconceptions in my view. I have written lengthy notes about how things work on SA in the dedicated thread, others have too, and it is not productive to repeat any of that. A simple reading will suffice and if you have any more questions, we can discuss then. But in my view, SA feels a lot more secure than escort sites, although M88 might not agree. Perhaps it is a question of personal preference.I think SA is the wave of the future. I have about seven escorts I currently see in a rotation in the USA, and they refer me to their friends, but eventually I will explore SA.

None of the USA Escorts I see are fat, foul-mouthed, or ridiculously tatted, so perhaps I am more fortunate than Phallus.

I did a response to Smoke Light regarding the USA Scene, but it got eaten by an ISG service break and I don't want to retype it all.

But in summary, I noted that the USA Has its own unique scene. The two safest avenues are SA, and choosing an escort who has reviews on one of the three escort review boards in the USA, and giving her the screening information she needs. Preferably she has multiple reviews from experienced reviewers. It keeps the police entirely out of the picture.

USA Arrests, while numerous, occur with respect to the street scene, massage parlors, and most notably from answering fake ads taken out by the police. These fake ads are always on large classified ads where the (supposed) lady has no reviews and no screening is involved.

American guys aren't very good at adapting. The USA Has been at war with anything organized when it comes to prostitution for a long time. So the scene has become one in which it is only safe if you are dealing one-on-one with the sex worker. That isn't difficult to do, and is unlikely to ever be attacked by the police, but a lot of guys won't adapt and manage to get themselves arrested. But those arrests can't be extrapolated to the general population of commercial sex transactions. They are unique to their own set of circumstances. A guy answering a fake sting ad on a Backpage type website has nothing to do with a guy meeting an SA lady over lunch / dinner or a guy booking an escort who has reviews, her own website, a twitter feed, and a screening mechanism.

I like the non-USA Scene, too. I have had plenty of experiences / adventures that could never be replicated in the USA, and certainly not at the same price. But as I have said before, I don't find the need to insult one scene, especially in my home country, when discussing another scene. And most of the criticisms not only aren't valid, but those doing the criticizing do not even participate in the scene they are criticizing. There are plenty of actual reviews on ISG of SA and none of them describe the ladies they meet as having come over as a result of the Backpage closure.

Most people value different experiences and can adapt. Germany has a unique system of FKKs. Great. Enjoy it if in Germany. When elsewhere, learn the alternatives from people who actually utilize the alternatives and pick what best suits your interests. In the USA, the predominant thinking is that the environment generating the best experiences is SA and independent escorts (or escorts who work at one if the few remaining agencies in safe areas) who have reviews, a website / twitter presence, and who screen. No practical risk of arrest or exposure, and you know what you are getting. And yes, it is expensive. I respect people who don't go that route for analytical reasons, but I see no reason to put it down, especially if that person doesn't even try it.

Mursenary
11-03-20, 19:51
1. I am more honest than you ever were.

2. When it comes to dick size, passports are useless. Thai / Chinese is in such a context more appropriate.

As a side-note. American cock size is also a useless term given how few native Americans are left. Unless you are a wannabe native American. Not that I have measured their cock sizes.

3. Native Americans killed their own people en masse in genocides far more brutal than even the holocaust or pol pot in Cambodia. The Aztecs of Mexico have some fascinating stories.

4. I believe Pessimist was referring current day racism in Thailand and China. But given you haven't been there much, I suppose you may be given a pass on this. But it might be something worth reading up on. Or checking out for yourself. It is on a level far above racism in USA.Oh so slow wide-eye. Penis so big. You so handsome, strong, and smart. LOL. Baffoonery.

Gino02
11-03-20, 21:11
Damn! From rants and Coronavirus discussions, this thread now gone full on cat fight? Guys, please try to read what you have written recently, and maybe stop fighting like little girls and grow up a bit?

McAdonis
11-03-20, 21:41
Having said that, we can't deny the barbaric nature of throat slits and beheadings and the utterly disgusting hypocrisy shown by Turkey and the rest of Moslem world that silently gives a pass to Chinese concentration camps in Uighur land but bullying France in their hour of need with these despicable boycotts of French products. How would we feel if after 9/11, all the Moslem nations announced a boycott of American products? Perhaps my use of rounding up and deportation is an extreme rhetoric but it was spoken in frustration.It seems that you were reflective here, acknowledging that you simply lashed out in a moment of frustration. You are not a world leader, so such actions would be forgivable. This is where I believe Mursenary probably should have dropped it. I would point out that the situation with 9/11 was much different. GW Bush did not criticize the Muslim world. In fact, he actually urged his fellow Americans not to engage in anti-Muslim hate crimes. From what I remember, the younger Bush's vitriol was directed solely on the perpetrators of the attack, rather than the religion of Islam.

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McAdonis
11-03-20, 21:59
It may sound strange, but if I had to pick between a beautiful SB with a baggage of texting and dating vs. A cheap erohw on a side walk, I'd choose the latter. Just seeing her on the street is an instant turn on for me. I love real ones since many moons ago when I drove to Boston combat zone and fucked them on the back seat of my dad's car.I believe your fetishes are more unconventional and may not be easily accommodated by a semi-pro. A seasoned pro who who has been with thousands of men has likely received every kind of fetish request possible, and will not be weirded out by MMF which if I recall is a huge turn-on for you.

Paulie97
11-03-20, 22:31
Yep, smarted off to the admin and got Takedown deactivated so here I am! (No hard feelings admin guys).This is quite an admission. I can't help but wonder how many medical doctors are copping bans then re-registering with new names in online forums. And you really have to push it to have that happen here, as they typically just give out infractions which serve as warnings.

McAdonis
11-03-20, 23:45
And their absolute silence about China's concentration camps for Uighurs shows also the vile hypocrisy in their hearts.Your constant mentioning of this forced me to Google.

One theory, Chinese money buys this silence. A second theory is that China frames the concentration camps as strictly a counter-terrorism issue rather than a war that singles out Muslim minorities. Uyghurs are not the only ethnic group in China that practice Islam. The Hui minority also practices Islam and their population is roughly the same size as the Uyghurs. The Hui people however receive little scrutiny. Unlike the Uyghurs, Hui have not been implicated in terrorist attacks nor do they have aspirations to form their own country. Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world, whereas Europe colonized the Middle East, and let's not forget the Crusades. Muslims have co-existed with Han Chinese for 1200 years, virtually all of it in relative peace. So in that sense, China can easily make a case that they are not enemies of Islam, but in fact are united with the Muslim countries against a common enemy: violent Islamic extremism. Third theory, Muslim countries distrust mainstream media in the infidel West.

https://www.dw.com/en/the-hui-chinas-preferred-muslims/a-36699666


Defying growing perceptions in Western countries over Muslims which are often associated with terrorism and extremism, 80% of terror victims globally are Muslims, the head of a French NGO said Thursday.

Muslims are the first to suffer from terrorist attacks. It is important to recall in Europe because it is assumed that the terrorists are Muslims and the victims are non-Muslims. However, this is not true, Guillaume Denoix de Saint Marc, the executive director of the Association Franaise des Victimes du Terrorisme (the French Association of Victims of Terrorism)

https://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/2019/11/21/muslims-become-real-victims-of-global-terror-attacks.

Pistons
11-04-20, 00:06
I mean in the USA, I do not believe in 2020 that any major publication would publish a cartoon that depicts African-Americans as monkeys. I do not believe American publications "censor" themselves out of fear of Black violence or protests. It is simply distasteful, offensive, and honestly too unoriginal to be funny. And it only has the potential to antagonize and divide. And if a magazine did have the audacity to publish such a cartoon, I cannot imagine even Trump would defend that publication's "freedom of expression.".Actually:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/10/29/marblehead-king-kong-halloween/

Pahllus Maximus
11-04-20, 00:27
Listen up: please refrain from dick size / alleged racial disk characteristics, low IQ, mom's basement, popularity and other personality BS / petty insults, much of which is probably made up. It is demeaning to the participants and detracts from the noble millennia old institution of pay-for-pleasure.

Surely we have enough brains and decorum to behave like intelligent hedonists we are, that seek female beauty, good food, company and nice things in general. Alles gut ! This takes place against our careers, relationships, lives, sensible mores of civilization etc. There are some practical COVID / border, legal and political / religious matters that impinge upon our hobby. COVID is very unfortunate.

As to pick up lines, here is 1974 vinyl LP (charming and goofy. Hopefully a few laughs for folks here):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj5AVqyaYJU

Having sex with luscious women, having fun and promoting that goal to fellow hedonists is what this board is all about.

Mr Ho
11-04-20, 01:13
Why do ask again why?

I thought you would get it when I pointed out that you write here every day but I never read any decent reports of a visit in FKK from you.

But OK, no need to insist, I would not bother you again with that because now FKK are closed, so I have no reason to spend more time here (from March to June when FKK were closed, I almost didn't connect because mainly I am only interested by reports here, I am personally not really interested by all the general discussions, not really my cup of tea.)You are same guy with the handle name Takedown! Stop using multiple account with different handle names as Pistons were pointing out in other thread and thank you for letting us know how often you logged in to forum as if we want to know such information how often you logged in, wow LOL!

I am not interested in report as I am not into voyeur and I am not interested in what others do with girls in details in rooms, why would I want to know that?

I do not want to buy fight from you as well, so I and others do appreciate that you do not bothers myself or others again! We are happy mongers!

And admin, please be fair for once and stop letting post one side and block another side, this is fair comment back based on fact and not insulting! Thank you!

Mursenary
11-04-20, 02:28
It seems that you were reflective here, acknowledging that you simply lashed out in a moment of frustration. You are not a world leader, so such actions would be forgivable. This is where I believe Mursenary probably should have dropped it.LOL, yeah. Character flaw of always going hard, often too hard.

But in this case, so glad I pressed. Something was off with his posts. The forced pleasantries and pseudo-intellecting smelled fishy. Finally saw a man with poor emotional control who subscribes to basic left-right dichotomy, justifies self worth with income, and the nativist thought of someone who sees an ethnic American as a foreigner rather than an American.

I mean, I'm not making a moral judgement on infidelity, definitely not especially on a paid sex forum. But one can still make observations in character. Let's say a person capable of hiding making overseas mongering trips and frequent seeking arrangements from his spouse is capable of a lot of bullshiterry.

Mr Ho
11-04-20, 03:29
It was a charity case. Like sitting next to the weird kid at lunch when you were in grade school. Let me share another story. The same guy got all butt hurt when after we both sessioned with the same girl several times, he found out that she gave him her work number but she gave me her personal number. The look on his face when he found out, I felt a little bad for making a grown man-child cry. Honestly, I'm a little ashamed. Mother taught me to not pick on people for being born physically unattractive.Well he should know that girls we meet in FKK are prostitutes and one should go there for sex only even though many girls tell you many nice things, I do not buy it beside their sexual services LOL!

Pistons
11-04-20, 10:00
Actually, there is a clear relevant link between pussies and penises on a sex forum.

Mr Ho
11-04-20, 10:17
And devil-tongue?

Well, I am not a Satanist. I am actually convinced Christians, Muslims and Jews are all Satanists without knowing it themselves. Maybe except for the top leaders. I consider myself more of a Luciferian. Which is anti-devil.I believe in law of nature, but what are you talking about? Devil? Satan? What are you on about? LOL!

Pessimist
11-04-20, 14:27
Your constant mentioning of this forced me to Google.

One theory, Chinese money buys this silence. A second theory is that China frames the concentration camps as strictly a counter-terrorism issue rather than a war that singles out Muslim minorities. Uyghurs are not the only ethnic group in China that practice Islam. The Hui minority also practices Islam and their population is roughly the same size as the Uyghurs. The Hui people however receive little scrutiny. Unlike the Uyghurs, Hui have not been implicated in terrorist attacks nor do they have aspirations to form their own country. Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world, whereas Europe colonized the Middle East, and let's not forget the Crusades. Muslims have co-existed with Han Chinese for 1200 years, virtually all of it in relative peace. So in that sense, China can easily make a case that they are not enemies of Islam, but in fact are united with the Muslim countries against a common enemy: violent Islamic extremism. Third theory, Muslim countries distrust mainstream media in the infidel West.

https://www.dw.com/en/the-hui-chinas-preferred-muslims/a-36699666"Historically, China has not been seen as an enemy to the Muslim world".

Frankly, that is not the relevant issue.

First, if you keep litigating the wrongs of the past, then forget about the future and moving forward. Colonization ended at least 60 years ago for most colonies. Dig up the past, you will remain in the past.

Commie regime of China is like Borg in Star Trek. They absorb, assimilate and destroy. Local customs, languages, religions are wiped out and if they resist they will be defaced. In a couple of generations, Tibetan language, customs, religion, way of life will be forgotten, dead as dodo.

France has not declared war on Islam either, to your point. But the Islamic practitioners living in France are offended if the French society does not live by their sensibilities, including respecting their Allah in cartoons. France did not outlaw practice of Islam which is more than one can say about the Islamic countries which have different rights for Islamic and non Islamic peoples in their countries. In Saudi Arabia, it is illegal to even practice any other religion at least publicly.

Pessimist
11-04-20, 14:46
I think SA is the wave of the future. I have about seven escorts I currently see in a rotation in the USA, and they refer me to their friends, but eventually I will explore SA.

None of the USA Escorts I see are fat, foul-mouthed, or ridiculously tatted, so perhaps I am more fortunate than Phallus.

I did a response to Smoke Light regarding the USA Scene, but it got eaten by an ISG service break and I don't want to retype it all.

But in summary, I noted that the USA Has its own unique scene. The two safest avenues are SA, and choosing an escort who has reviews on one of the three escort review boards in the USA, and giving her the screening information she needs. Preferably she has multiple reviews from experienced reviewers. It keeps the police entirely out of the picture.

USA Arrests, while numerous, occur with respect to the street scene, massage parlors, and most notably from answering fake ads taken out by the police. These fake ads are always on large classified ads where the (supposed) lady has no reviews and no screening is involved.

American guys aren't very good at adapting. The USA Has been at war with anything organized when it comes to prostitution for a long time. So the scene has become one in which it is only safe if you are dealing one-on-one with the sex worker. That isn't difficult to do, and is unlikely to ever be attacked by the police, but a lot of guys won't adapt and manage to get themselves arrested. But those arrests can't be extrapolated to the general population of commercial sex transactions. They are unique to their own set of circumstances. A guy answering a fake sting ad on a Backpage type website has nothing to do with a guy meeting an SA lady over lunch / dinner or a guy booking an escort who has reviews, her own website, a twitter feed, and a screening mechanism.Recently in the SA thread, one poster mentioned that SA blocked his account and even sent him a notice that if ever he tried to resubscribe, he will be reported to LE. The reason being he discussed pay for play in explicit terms with girls on SA. It is not clear if some girls reported him to the admin or if the site has some software monitoring messages. Regardless, I was surprised. My experience and view has been that SA is typically loathe to ban male subscribers because they are the paying customers. I have known plenty of girls who were blocked on the slightest pretext but they obtain a new account with a new handle. They do not pay and losing an account is no big loss for them.

What it shows is that SA is fighting hard to give the impression that it is not a backpage type operation. It is a meeting place. What happens between the parties is up to them but SA just facilitates the meeting.

But unlike Tinder, the reputation of the site and expectation of members are such that sex is on the table, as is some form of allowance. It is up to the two parties to make the connection, come to an understanding and a deal. But if you are smart and careful, you can do so w / o using the word sex, or even implying sex. I have personally blocked girls when they mentioned anything like "I need money, and I am willing to have sex". Some were quite pretty and it pained me to block them but I will not take any risks. Most girls are smart enough to do the dance without being explicit. This is why I feel safer being on SA from an entrapment perspective.

Mursenary
11-04-20, 21:24
You are same guy with the handle name Takedown! Stop using multiple account with different handle names as Pistons were pointing out in other thread and thank you for letting us know how often you logged in to forum as if we want to know such information how often you logged in, wow LOL!Geez, stopped being so obsessed with me. I must be Bigfoot or a unicorn with all of these wild theories.

Takedown is my old deactivated moniker, nothing clandestine, nothing to hide. This dude is certainly not me.

Pistons
11-05-20, 06:48
I believe in law of nature, but what are you talking about? Devil? Satan? What are you on about? LOL!Read up about Luciferianism. We are truthists, while the religions of today is always trying to hide the truth. Just look at the catholic church with the old Latin language. However, I don't believe that these religious names were people or gods. Just archetypes of ideas.

Sirioja
11-05-20, 08:03
To Piston, most of brothels WGs say I'm big when I'm not 20 cm, of course I can see under shower, even compare to guys still hard under Viagra, but when I always thought it is advantage in real life, more impressive for women who seem to prefer to feel something inside them, also never heard from escorts even I feel some are on the limit and I have to enter and start carefully, but really not advantage in brothels where most often need to adapt to girls. I remember Luana starting at LR on September 2016, couldn't really enter inside her small pussy, even she was friendly, fortunately my first girl of the week and I did let go to finish fast because no pleasure to see her like this and never repeated, when I usually enjoy to control with belly muscles, being really sporty help, to stay on the edge and play longer fucking, as long I see not hurting the girl. What is sometimes really enjoyable is when a girl try to control, contracting resisting, so we play and you see her exhausting resisting contracting, at a moment she can t anymore, so she prefers to give up, then usually wide opening and letting go. Real pleasure. Some even say thank you. This is really nothing effort compare to my climbings and much more interesting than boring just emptying balls.

HammerTime96
11-05-20, 10:26
Geez, stopped being so obsessed with me. I must be Bigfoot or a unicorn with all of these wild theories.

Takedown is my old deactivated moniker, nothing clandestine, nothing to hide. This dude is certainly not me.Yes, it's becoming very obvious by now: same aggressive writing style, and 'strangely' enough always in agreement with Mursenary.

Just like Mursenary, none of those usernames supply any new or relevant facts, the only thing they do is aggressively attack other users with a different opinion with more scaremongering.

Pahllus Maximus
11-05-20, 10:33
Lads.

I know covid sucks and creates hard feelings (double pun), but all the claims, counterclaims, flames and petty insults is. Petty. We can do better.

Can we at least reminisce on good times or discuss what we will do post covid on our first post covid FKK visit. Swing from chandeliers? Threesomes? Let's plan for tomorrow, think past the grim election nonsense and talk about a luscious pair of large firm tits. This is why we are here.

ExpatLover
11-05-20, 12:16
Lads.

I know covid sucks and creates hard feelings (double pun), but all the claims, counterclaims, flames and petty insults is. Petty. We can do better.

Can we at least reminisce on good times or discuss what we will do post covid on our first post covid FKK visit. Swing from chandeliers? Threesomes? Let's plan for tomorrow, think past the grim election nonsense and talk about a luscious pair of large firm tits. This is why we are here.No doesn't suck at all, I take this free time to improve my English may be you should do the same.

Turgid
11-05-20, 14:15
Geez, stopped being so obsessed with me. I must be Bigfoot or a unicorn with all of these wild theories.

Takedown is my old deactivated moniker, nothing clandestine, nothing to hide. This dude is certainly not me.Out of curiosity why did you deactivate Takedown?

CenTexCrash
11-05-20, 19:39
I'm going out on a limb and purely assuming this is the closest thread for "hobbying during Covid19 incidents".

Infiltrated South America via Monterrey MX as the airfare is usually 1/2 or 1/4 the cost of flying directly out of Texas. Heard Ecuador was open for US Citizens. With buses, and planes, arrive 11 pm Thursdays night to have myself a 3 day monger getaway in Quito EC.

11 am: border bus arrives in Monterrey. I have 4 hours and know a place to hobby. Pop a 1. 5 pills, 75 MG Silde and ride to a fun house I know of before my 3 pm flight. Girl I wanted wouldn't be ready till closer to 12 pm, but will write up separately on MTY thread. Arrived at airport, temp taken at building entrance, plus fill out affidavit of all places visited in last 14 days, this is being done at all Mexico airports. Felt fine. Nothing unusual at 3 pm flight.

Landed 4:45 pm for connection in Mexico City. Figure blue pill long worn off at this point? Ate a small lunch, and had a non-monger situation come up at last minute in airport to run around looking for an ATM. (in Mex border town requested a custom Halloween costume, and got hit with needing a deposit for tailor materials to be ready before Oct 31)(Asked them to do Paypal or WU as my flight is about to board in 20 minutes) Ran around first 4 ATMs in CDMX terminal either didn't like my card or had a mechanical issue. Gave up, and RAN to the gate. Built up a lite sweat.

Minutes to 6 pm takeoff. Blue pill originally ingested at 11 am. Per requirements of Ecuador entry, show clean test within last 10 days at the departure gate. All clear on that. As I'm walking down sky ramp into AeroMexico craft, I get hit with allergies, and a loogy coughed up in back of throat, I didn't want to swallow, just spit into sink or trashbin and there weren't any. Hindsight: Should've manned up and swallowed.

Unable to talk, and allergies messing with my nose, motion to attendant to let me into the lavatory. Initially she looks thru seat pockets for a puke bag to give me, can't find one, and just lets me in to lavatory. Spit into the sink, and just started sneezing like there was no tomorrow, went thru 5 napkins to purge it all out. Nose cleared, returned to my seat.

The entire cabin crew and some airport agents swarmed me, stating I am the token passenger that is sneezing out of control, I am sweating, and skin is red. I said it was allergies either a passenger has a mink coat or the Mexico City smog, but I am fine. No, they said I am not fine and need to be removed, examined, and rebooked for tomorrow's flight.

I was escorted off the plane, placed in wheelchair, and on site CDMX airport medics ran, literally ran to the call to action like this is the moment they have been rehearsing all year, and here it is finally. I kept telling them dude I'm fine, and the Mex medics were saying Shhhh tranquillo tranquillo (relax relax) and they were poking me and measuring me. Watching the plane back out of the gate and I'm not on it was a punch gut feel.

It's 6:15 pm, 85 MG Silde popped at 11 am. Medics clear me saying temperatures show no signs of fever BUT pointed out elevated blood pressure and forehead a little warmer than normal. Thinking to myself, there's no way the pill is still in effect 7 hours later, there's no way. Asked if I had a history of high blood pressure or took any supplements, just denied that.

Rolled into another on-site airport clinic, spent 2 hours waiting to be seen. Another set of medics asked me the same set of questions, and decided I was fine, and could've been allowed to fly. (Thanks after the fact).

Courtesy of AeroMexico, got a comped room in upscale Holiday Inn, with 3 meal vouchers (albeit the voucher menu was stripped down from full options, jerks) Also nearby the Inn, was a working ATM and Oxxo service to send funds to the costume shop, since I had nothing else going on. Yes I probably could've hobbied in Mexico City on short notice, but I the whole fracas really wore on me, plus if you know Mexico City, the street scene is best done with an experienced guide / fellow ISGer not recommended if first time solo, and the escort route if you agree to 10 pm, plan on them showing up at 12:45 am or not at all. Basically the CDMX scene, the stars have to line up just right with that short of notice.

Next day, thinking I should be in Quito bagging dates left and right, I'm in CDMX with zero itinerary. Went to one street market (Merced) where SWs are known to appear, saw 3 or 4 high mileage GILF examples, but that was it, it was already time to head back to Inn to get ready for airport. Did NOT take any blue pills this go around. Was allowed onto the plane this time, first quickly before reporting to gate, went to a terminal restroom to wipe out my nose one last time to fail safe my appearance. No sweat or elevated blood pumping, and I was off to Ecuador for a 3 day monger getaway slashed to 2 day rushed mongering.

Disputing if if the 85 MG of Silde 7 hours later caused the effects or if I was just born messed up.

Pessimist
11-06-20, 00:39
Now we are finding out he keeps changing his avatars. Someone mentioned TakeDown and I searched this site, and in less than a couple of minutes was able to find out he was accused (by Mr. Ho, The Cane and other members I recognize here) that he was using other avatars even at that time in addition to TakeDown; not to mention the same signature belligerence, a degree of aggression bordering on unhinged. Positively Trumpian. Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is a runway model, that's right. Perhaps the guy wearing spongebob costume at the local park on a hot afternoon) coupled with more mocking (a guy barely 5 years younger than me calling me a boomer, as if he is a 28 yr NZ female parliamentarian). I am fairly certain he is no physician. I have way too many family members and friends from be school who were MDs in prior life; none of them care to spend hours typing on social media; most have had it up to their neck with EMRs, constant pulling down of menus and records and clicks; their speeches are laden with clinical references and not this inane research monologues; and the lack of financial security is a giveaway. I found some references to this even in his TakeDown avatar and others were mocking him 3 years ago. All easily searchable with a few easy clicks. In any case, being a physician impresses no one these days. Unless they are specialists; the internists and pediatricians and family medicine guys and others are toiling at sub-$200 K, absurd amount of paper work, most of them can't run their own practice, forced to work for larger companies that run them ragged; the reason a bunch of them leave medicine altogether and go to be school is because the pay is doubled and work is halved. Being a non specialist grunt MD now in US is being a worker bee with increasing work, declining pay, and increasing stress. But then again, this one is not even that, just a researcher, on that I will stake a bet.

My initial response to his uninvited first reply which itself was quite confrontational was restrained. I explained my rationale but he kept getting more unhinged with absurd personal insults and accusations. Who the fuck does that? Someone with weak upbringing or continued feelings of inadequacy, that's who. Like most American families, I have a multi cultural, multi ethnic family myself, with other races present in my extended family. These days, it is common to have siblings, step siblings, cousins, best friends marry outside own ethnic line; a guy who patronizes clubs with known door policies flinging shit at others, imagine. As if Al Sharpton kept a bunch of business interests in pre-1990 South Africa and lectured the rest of us about race relations. The sheer hypocrisy of this is unreal.

Pistons
11-06-20, 05:40
To Piston, most of brothels WGs say I'm big when I'm not 20 cm, of course I can see under shower, even compare to guys still hard under Viagra, but when I always thought it is advantage in real life, more impressive for women who seem to prefer to feel something inside them, also never heard from escorts even I feel some are on the limit and I have to enter and start carefully, but really not advantage in brothels where most often need to adapt to girls. I remember Luana starting at LR on September 2016, couldn't really enter inside her small pussy, even she was friendly, fortunately my first girl of the week and I did let go to finish fast because no pleasure to see her like this and never repeated, when I usually enjoy to control with belly muscles, being really sporty help, to stay on the edge and play longer fucking, as long I see not hurting the girl. What is sometimes really enjoyable is when a girl try to control, contracting resisting, so we play and you see her exhausting resisting contracting, at a moment she can t anymore, so she prefers to give up, then usually wide opening and letting go. Real pleasure. Some even say thank you. This is really nothing effort compare to my climbings and much more interesting than boring just emptying balls.Well, it depends on how turned on the girl is. If the girl is not turned on at all, a vagina only goes 6-12 cm in or so. But when she is horny enough, it can stretch up to 18-25 cm. Thickness is another thing though, and I suppose horny girls are mainly about volume, and not just length.

Pistons
11-06-20, 05:46
The main problem with discussing girth on a sec forum are those annoying condoms with slim girth.

Mr Ho
11-06-20, 06:42
Read up about Luciferianism. We are truthists, while the religions of today is always trying to hide the truth. Just look at the catholic church with the old Latin language. However, I don't believe that these religious names were people or gods. Just archetypes of ideas.Interesting:

Luciferians generally support the protection of the natural world. Both the arts and sciences are crucial to human development and thus both are cherished. Luciferians think that humans should be focused on this life and how to make the most of it every single day. The ability to recognize both good and evil, to accept that all actions have both positive and negative consequences, and to actively influence one's environment is a key factor.

Mursenary
11-06-20, 08:06
Now we are finding out he keeps changing his avatars. Someone mentioned TakeDown and I searched this site, and in less than a couple of minutes was able to find out he was accused (by Mr. Ho, The Cane and other members I recognize here) that he was using other avatars even at that time in addition to TakeDown; not to mention the same signature belligerence, a degree of aggression bordering on unhinged. Positively Trumpian. Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he isTrumpian eh? But who is the New Yorker who uses salary as a measuring stick for self worth, cheats on his wife, and calling for the deportation of Muslims while manipulating facts due to an inability to handle blunt criticism. Hashtag twinning.

Better to be arrogant and aggressive than deceptive and insecure.

Turgid, basically when you're repeatedly a smart ass to the mods, they rightfully have the right and power to revoke your account. No hard feelings.

Paulie97
11-06-20, 19:30
Out of curiosity why did you deactivate Takedown?He didn't "deactivate" but was banned. But since he felt victimized by the moderators he registered a new account and resumed posting. Such is a very common phenomenon on the internet.

Paulie97
11-06-20, 19:34
Update:

MAGA hats are currently trending on Ebay at 25 to 50 cents. Get them while they're hot.

Clorox Bleach prices are holding steady, no change.

Pessimist
11-06-20, 20:07
Trumpian eh? But who is the New Yorker who uses salary as a measuring stick for self worth, cheats on his wife, and calling for the deportation of Muslims while manipulating facts due to an inability to handle blunt criticism. Hashtag twinning.

Better to be arrogant and aggressive than deceptive and insecure.

Turgid, basically when you're repeatedly a smart ass to the mods, they rightfully have the right and power to revoke your account. No hard feelings.I am in NYC now? OK then. I only brought up any money issues to rebut your highly despicable personal attacks. I have repeatedly acknowledged in this pandemic some people have been privileged and others have suffered and I have a ton of sympathy for the people who are financially distressed in this environment. I am not in the business of mocking, attacking other members (or any person for that matter) but when I looked at your current and your past avatar comments, you descend into mocking, personal attacks very very quickly. Talking of hypocrisy, a few weeks ago you equated all Trump voters (which you yourself may have been, because you claimed you voted only GOP until 2 years ago) to Hitlerite Nazis -- that's right, talk about broad brushing! 50% of the population including nearly 70 mil voters this week are identical to a group of murders that perpetrated holocaust! Perhaps you should ask ADL and Foxman who are no GOP sympathizers if they agree with you in that false, reprehensible equivalence.

BTW, hyper aggression on anonymous boards is highly correlated to deeply entrenched insecurity in my empirical observation although I am no psych major. Although I disagree with McAdonis more often than normal, I will give it to him that he is not at all aggressive and has a very thick skin and sometimes I wish I had that quality but when someone goes out of their way to launch personal attacks I do reply back, that's my weakness. And I will say the last place I will listen to any lectures on morality and fidelity is on a sex forum from other equally depraved mongers. I have disagreed with Phallus or Pistons or Hammer or a ton of other people but you will not find me attacking them personally, mocking them; this particular trait is your signature and no matter how many times you change your avatar you will be found because that mocking tone comes through in a couple of posts. I did not know TakeDown but if I had been active on the forum then, I would have know you were back in a new avatar.

I did not call for deportation of all Moslems and if I had, the logical place would be in my country but even after 9/11 I fervently defended the few Islamic friends I had here. A Moslem co-worker's brother at Cantor perished on 9/11. The crux of my argument with Gino for 6 months is precisely that individuals should be judged on their own individual behavior and not based on a group trait (ethnic look, origin, whatever). But Islamists cheering on beheaders, being sympathetic to them openly or practicing boycotts of French products in a time of need deserve zero sympathy and only absolute condemnation. But your own hypocrisy in this matter is quite obvious. Now, I too have patronized GT and other clubs but I never paid any particular attention to this matter before, and I was not the race warrior pushing my own personal code of morals onto others and worse yet attacking them at the first sign as if I was a paragon of morality and virtue.

Pessimist
11-06-20, 20:57
Update:

MAGA hats are currently trending on Ebay at 25 to 50 cents. Get them while they're hot.

Clorox Bleach prices are holding steady, no change.Mick Mulvaney has said Trump will run in 2024 and I had been thinking the same even before I hard Mick. If we think we have seen the last of Trump, we are mistaken. I voted against Trump because IMP he is fucking incompetent. I think his tough trade stance v China, Hua Wei ban have found broad resonance across political spectrum and even in Europe which are now following the US lead on banning Hua Wei out of their networks. Trump's views on making NATO pay for their own ticket and not free loading, more stringent immigration control, shifting manufacturing back to US also have support across the board. In fact, if he had paid lip service to Fauci, went along with simple things like mask usage, controlled his urges to lash out at every instance even against own party folks such as McCain, etc then he might very well have won. Even now, GOP picked up seats in the House and Senate did not go away as Dems hoped. Even the 8 pt popular vote thrashing never happened. Trump's hold on his party is complete. Look at how quickly Cruz, Lindsey and others jumped when Eric Trump did the whistle. The only question they asked is "how high? Trump is taking credit for the better than expected results in House / Senate, will blame WH loss on fraud (and mind you, his supporters will agree with any lie he makes up) and until Dems find a formula to beat electoral college their advantage in polls and popular vote will mean zilch. In fact, I was surprised to see Trump win in some unexpected places such as Nassau county, NY which is very high end, mostly urban, educated, diversified, well paid population. Dems need to find a way to connect to the populist wing of the country and it is not with $15 minimum wage and offering expanded Obamacare. The other thing I will say is that Dems must be in shock that Trump's loss in popular vote was so narrow and that he also increased his vote count so much. If anything, his fans had a reason to stay home depressed as they must be with Covid, economy, jobs, what not but they turned up in high numbers. Dems came at bigger numbers because they were hugely psyched to defeat Trump but that amount of enthusiasm will not be there in 2024 and the Covid / extended voting / mail in helped Dems: groups such as younger people, minorities who normally vote in smaller percentages voted in higher numbers now because they had more time to vote, could do through mail. Those may not be true in 2024. I do think the demographic shift (both on shrinking White population and growing percent of youth) is helpful to Dems in general but it is also true demographics is not always destiny unless Dems are smart and careful.

Mursenary
11-06-20, 22:08
Even the opening salvo in any exchange with a member starts with a few mocking lines, a reference to personal attributes such as youth and some vague attractiveness (yeah, he is a runway model, that's right. Perhaps the guy wearing spongebob costume at the local park on a hot afternoon) coupled with more mocking (a guy barely 5 years younger than me calling me a boomer, as if he is a 28 yr NZ female parliamentarian).Well I'll be working in Brooklyn / Queens for a month+. Here's an open invitation for a friendly wager to see who can close on more women. You can pick the venue. May I suggest a gym near Jamaica, Queens. Make sure you wear your New Balance shoes or whatever guys with DadBods wear these days Boomer. But if you need liquor to build up some courage, I know some spots that are open to accommodate those special needs. How about a wager of a Sharks 20 entry card. Should be a pretty tiny wager for such a wealthy businessman.


I am fairly certain he is no physician. I have way too many family members and friends from be school who were MDs in prior life; none of them care to spend hours typing on social media; most have had it up to their neck with EMRs, constant pulling down of menus and records and clicks; their speeches are laden with clinical references and not this inane research monologues; and the lack of financial security is a giveaway. I found some references to this even in his TakeDown avatar and others were mocking him 3 years ago. All easily searchable with a few easy clicks. In any case, being a physician impresses no one these days..I choose my words very precisely when speaking about my profession so I suggest you examine a little more closely. (You are creepily very skilled at digital stalking though!) First job out of undergrad was a bench research position. First job after the first master's was a clinical research position. Belittling the valuable role of researchers is quite Trumpian. So is the focus on salary. That's so douchey. I guess that's fitting for such a "successful businessman."

Side note: Opinion on your stalking skills took a bit of a hit as I have no idea why you are referencing the lowest paying primary care providers. I have more faith in your stalking skills so my assumption is that it was intentionally misleading.

Here are the most recent *average* intensivist salaries, including critical care and emergency medicine. Oddly enough, even the internist and primary care salaries are well above 230 K.

https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2020-compensation-intensivist-6012723

Perhaps you are getting confused with mid-level / APP salaries. Up to 200 K, not too shabby:

https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2018-aprn-compensation-report-6010997

As for the trope of paperwork, I love my scribes. $15/ HR and writing an occasional letter of recommendation to never have to chart a damn thing. Whoop whoop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_scribe?wprov=sfti1

It appears that your perception of medical professions is stuck in the 90's. Ok boomer.

Anyway, maybe someone can clarify why someone would assert "you are not an x" just to follow up with a diatribe of why x sucks. That's so incongruent. Here's a tip, if you actually rise to the challenge of the wager; incongruence, I suggest working on that. Because women can sniff that shit out.

BTW, do your family members just randomly drop clinical references in a layman setting? If so, how pompous and socially unaware of them. Are they unable to code switch for when they have to talk to their patients? The holidays must be a bore at the pessimist household.

Mursenary
11-06-20, 22:42
I am in NYC now? OK then. I only brought up any money issues to rebut your highly despicable personal attacks. I have repeatedly acknowledged in this pandemic some people have been privileged and others have suffered and I have a ton of sympathy for the people who are financially distressed in this environment. I am not in the business of mocking, attacking other members (or any person for that matter) but when I looked at your current and your past avatar (clipped for brevity as to not be accused of cherry picking)Isn't New York a state? Didn't realize only residents of New York City were allowed to be called New Yorkers. Seriously, is this a well known fact to which I was not aware?

Reconstructing reality by deliberately misconstruing the facts is a hallmark sign of a lack of substance when defending a case, just my empirical observation. Then again, maybe you just read too fast while in your state of rage and those half dozen instances just all happened to be subconscious / unintentional mistakes. Not sure if this is a case of intentional manipulation or early signs of a developing personality disorder. Psych-mental health knowledge is also a weak point of mine. We're basically samesies!

Avatar, LOL. What a boomer. Welcome to the internet BTW.


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