View Full Version : Covid19 and the future of prostitution
AgentOrange
05-05-20, 10:13
If no vaccine is discovered, service providers might refuse DFK and other oral services. I know it is the oldest profession, but what do you think are the effects of this recent pandemic on our hobby?
PedroMorales
05-05-20, 13:12
I see further demarcation between rich and poor, like wen happened when HIV and herpes got going. Older guys have the advantage of fatter wallets. That advantage might be watered down by their greater chance of passing on this bug.
Talk of vaccines is, to say the least, premature. Hard to see aware hookers allowing you to bonk them up close and personal for more than a minute. Ads on escort sites are way down and providers are offering virtual, which they can keep.
It looks to me like the price of plump American beaver is going to go up. Do not take that as a buy recommendation. Maybe all the soap and tissue buying were mongers adopting the old Austrian soldier's approach: Before the war, my wife was my right hand. Now, in the war, my right hand is my wife.
Mongerer88
05-05-20, 13:13
If no vaccine is discovered, service providers might refuse DFK and other oral services. I know it is the oldest profession, but what do you think are the effects of this recent pandemic on our hobby?There would be no logical basis for those restrictions. Breathing each other's air within six feet causes the transmission, so a non-GFE session is as dangerous as GFE.
We will see governments continue to ban and attack venues, mostly physical but also online, where sex workers and customers meet.
There will be limits to how far that can go, so we will see an advantage go to private encounters.
There is logic to a reduction in potential transmissions if a lady sees 5-10 customers regularly over a long period of time, as opposed to 50 over that same long period of time, especially if she interacts in person with 100 potential customers to have sex with those 50. It is just math.
So guys who have escort contacts in their phones / emails will start getting contacted and pressured to be on a favorites list if he gives her enough business, and escorts approached by their existing customers for the same deal will be more receptive to meeting him than she would be for meeting a brand new customer. And sites like Seeking Arrangement will be more popular if she feels a long-term continuous arrangement is possible.
A wild card is hotels. I don't think that hotels in the USA, Canada, or Europe will do greater scrutiny of guests entering the hotel, but you never know. But I doubt it.
Egy Monger New
05-05-20, 17:37
If no vaccine is discovered, service providers might refuse DFK and other oral services. I know it is the oldest profession, but what do you think are the effects of this recent pandemic on our hobby?I am getting DFK and even BBFS in Indonesia.
"This too shall pass"
It's going to take time, how long I don't know but eventually there will be a new balance. It may be that everyone needs to get a certified vaccination or some other solution but it will get sorted out one day.
My opinion is at least 1 year of mulling around different entrance requirements for different countries. Eventually there will be a global effort to have some sort of global initiatives that could result in sanctions if not followed. Perhaps out in public view red light districts will be frowned upon and said country would receive low level grading for travel purposes.
Definitely more discreet Escort / Tinder / SA type encounters will rain supreme in the short term. Availability will be hard to determine since knowledge of where and how will become more and more confined if Govts aggressively go after online sex traffickers.
Then eventually in time all this will fizzle as a decent amount of time goes by without any second thought to Covid-19 or something else more important surfaces.
I am getting DFK and even BBFS in Indonesia.Really? Still now?
"This too shall pass"
Yes, but then a lot of changes will come for sometime.
DownUnderMonger
05-06-20, 10:23
Really? Still now?I reckon post covid-19 BBFS will actually be more available not less.
Was speaking to another monger group which we agreed, a whole bunch of new girls will enter the industry and will be desperate to find regulars. BBFS will be cheaper and more readily available, but services will be terminated if you cough or sneeze during the encounter.
When people are overly scared of something invisible and they can't protect themselves against (they're not going to be wearing masks during a service right?) Everything pales in comparison, especially since it's been a long time since STDs have been a public issue and the Grim Reaper Aids ads of the 1980s.
In a lot of peoples (esp working girls) eyes, kissing is now going to be considered more dangerous than BBFS.
Most will see it as, if they are going to offer kissing, they might as well offer BBFS, especially if it involves additional $$$.
The other thing to consider post lockdown, STD rates are going to be very low. Just like how cases of flu this year will be a record low due to lockdowns, bacterial infections like chlamydia, gonorrhoea etc would have exceeded their contagious periods, and HIV rates are pretty low, and if you were a regular BBFS punter you'd be on something like PreP anyway.
Midwestern
05-06-20, 10:44
I'm an expat in China. MPs reopened a few weeks ago. The gals tell me they are seeing 1-2 customers per day. It used to be that 4 customers was a SLOW day. Most of my contacts are contacting me, asking me to see them. Many of the MP gals have expanded their offerings. Some are now offering BBFS, when previously they only offered a HJ. However, there is now some discrimination against foreigners. They are afraid of us importing the virus. So, I think these gals will be leery of outsiders for a while. Overall, I don't know what the future of mongering will be like. For myself, I am sort of reluctant to go back to mongering as much as I used to. For example, there's an outcall gal that I really like. She loves DFK and does BBFS. I booked a session with her, but I later cancelled. The reason why is because she's desperate for money now. And I don't want to take a chance with someone who is that desperate, as I am sure that she is now willing to do anything with anyone.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/airfares-could-soar-50-with-new-social-distancing-rules-iata/
It will be very dangerous and risk taking with life if we do mongering now. Until unless we get vacancies into Market we can't do mongering without any threats of life. Hope until then we should meet only the trusted ones and we need to convince them for less money and bang it hard.
Kamsutra69
05-08-20, 09:40
The question is what does a working girl have to do to keep her safe from the virus and from infecting others. Whether she is willing to do anything with anyone or offering CBJ, no kissing, sex with cover and seeing only one monger every other day, both present the same risk. It boils down to luck that we all rely on for any other STD infections.
I'm an expat in China. MPs reopened a few weeks ago. The gals tell me they are seeing 1-2 customers per day. It used to be that 4 customers was a SLOW day. Most of my contacts are contacting me, asking me to see them. Many of the MP gals have expanded their offerings. Some are now offering BBFS, when previously they only offered a HJ. However, there is now some discrimination against foreigners. They are afraid of us importing the virus. So, I think these gals will be leery of outsiders for a while. Overall, I don't know what the future of mongering will be like. For myself, I am sort of reluctant to go back to mongering as much as I used to. For example, there's an outcall gal that I really like. She loves DFK and does BBFS. I booked a session with her, but I later cancelled. The reason why is because she's desperate for money now. And I don't want to take a chance with someone who is that desperate, as I am sure that she is now willing to do anything with anyone.
Midwestern
05-09-20, 01:46
In many countries, maintaining the virus spread will take precedent over our right to privacy and other civil liberties. So, if we ever get infected, then don't be surprised if they use technology to figure out every place we've been to or met in the past several days. The last thing we need is for a pro to show up as one of our recent visits. I have decided to put off mongering for a while.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/airfares-could-soar-50-with-new-social-distancing-rules-iata/Thanks for this information but this makes no sense. I don't see how this helps their bottom line unless they know for a fact there is a very large demand for airline travel in the near future.
https://nypost.com/2020/05/07/airfares-could-soar-50-with-new-social-distancing-rules-iata/Thanks for this information but this makes no sense. I don't see how this helps their bottom line unless they know for a fact there is a very large demand for airline travel in the near future.
Anyone using medical masks or full face respirators? I am not in too this level of kink, but wtf better safe than sorry. Easy to explain to the girl: I am wearing this for my and your safety OR is this me being just a little too desperate?
Covid19 is a type of flu so the vaccine will be like for a flu. Different every year due to mutations and not very reliable but bringing a big money for Big Pharma. And the related danger of ID2020 and other Big Bro measures.
Here in CZ I didn't notice significantly less ads in local forums in the past 2 months, only much less punter reports. The offer may be less in the future and the girls may tend to move from clubs to private flats.
Overall restrictions here are getting less and less. Prices of some food are increasing. No foreign travel for at least one more month.
In many countries, maintaining the virus spread will take precedent over our right to privacy and other civil liberties. So, if we ever get infected, then don't be surprised if they use technology to figure out every place we've been to or met in the past several days. The last thing we need is for a pro to show up as one of our recent visits. I have decided to put off mongering for a while.In a sick way I am actually looking forward to seeing what rights and civil liberties Govt's take away because of this. Things could get really whacky.
I know what is going on but I am still in denial in some ways. I live about 30 minutes from Tijuana. I was going to move only 15 minutes away in July but the move has been delayed.
Right now reading posts from experienced mongers like myself is helping me cope. My thoughts are mongering will be on the back burner for a while I guess.
Right now I miss the food and social activities in Mexico more than the chicas. .
Anyone using medical masks or full face respirators? I am not in too this level of kink, but wtf better safe than sorry. Easy to explain to the girl: I am wearing this for my and your safety OR is this me being just a little too desperate?That is a good question but I do believe there is evidence that C19 is also found in semen and vaginal juice but don't quote me on that. There are a few articles circulating the web.
So you are asking if you have your head covered can you still get it? I would assume if the girl had it and you had sex there would be some way to transmit it to you either during or after sex. A girl in your hotel room would cross contaminate almost everything IMO.
NightWhaler
05-13-20, 16:09
That is a good question but I do believe there is evidence that C19 is also found in semen and vaginal juice but don't quote me on that. There are a few articles circulating the web.
So you are asking if you have your head covered can you still get it? I would assume if the girl had it and you had sex there would be some way to transmit it to you either during or after sex. A girl in your hotel room would cross contaminate almost everything IMO.Greetings gentlemen, with all due respect this "virus" in my opinion is nothing more than the catalyst for government inspired intrusion and control of global interests over the rights of all human beings. There is a NWO on the horizon and there is very little we can do as individuals to prevent it. Collectively, maybe, but things will never be the same again as they were 4 months ago. There is so much conflicting information that it leaves one in a state paranoia. The goal is to instill fear among us towards each other and they did one heck of a great job doing what they have to us, globally I might add. Everyone is scared and so full of fear that people simply do what they are told to do without question. This "bug" is nothing to be afraid of. It's here just like all other flu and will be here just like all other flu, forever. There is no cure for a "virus" and vaccines only work about 50% of the time with many unknown side effects. Follow the money, $13,000 for each C19 case paid by Medicare under the CARES Act and $39,000 if you can get that patient on ventilator. Do what you feel is necessary for your health and I can only say that people do not die from this "virus" they die from pneumonia in most cases and other illness' that a person already has. Mostly "old folks". We as a society will build up an immunity to it and it will go on the back burner just like the rest of the flu unless they continue to use it as a tool for social engineering and fear mongering.
Peace,
Elvis 2008
05-13-20, 17:08
Greetings gentlemen, with all due respect this "virus" in my opinion is nothing more than the catalyst for government inspired intrusion and control of global interests over the rights of all human beings. There is a NWO on the horizon and there is very little we can do as individuals to prevent it. Collectively, maybe, but things will never be the same again as they were 4 months ago. There is so much conflicting information that it leaves one in a state paranoia. The goal is to instill fear among us towards each other and they did one heck of a great job doing what they have to us, globally I might add. Everyone is scared and so full of fear that people simply do what they are told to do without question. This "bug" is nothing to be afraid of. It's here just like all other flu and will be here just like all other flu, forever. There is no cure for a "virus" and vaccines only work about 50% of the time with many unknown side effects. Follow the money, $13,000 for each C19 case paid by Medicare under the CARES Act and $39,000 if you can get that patient on ventilator. Do what you feel is necessary for your health and I can only say that people do not die from this "virus" they die from pneumonia in most cases and other illness' that a person already has. Mostly "old folks". We as a society will build up an immunity to it and it will go on the back burner just like the rest of the flu unless they continue to use it as a tool for social engineering and fear mongering.
Peace,Great post, NW. I was wiling to fly a 24 year old to see me on an airplane, and she responded, "Oh no, I might get the virus. " I couldn't believe a healthy 24 year old being scared of getting the virus. It is like heterosexual AIDS all over again. Studies show HIV transmission is somewhere between zero and one in a million but the CDC scared the shit out of everyone to increase their funding and people are still afraid of HIV and AIDS with regular sex to this day.
RandMcNasty
05-13-20, 17:12
That is a good question but I do believe there is evidence that C19 is also found in semen and vaginal juice but don't quote me on that. There are a few articles circulating the web.
So you are asking if you have your head covered can you still get it? I would assume if the girl had it and you had sex there would be some way to transmit it to you either during or after sex. A girl in your hotel room would cross contaminate almost everything IMO.Caught a Dan Savage podcast. I don't listen to many but I guess he earlier reported that C19 wasn't in semen or vaginal juice. He was then contacted by various professionals telling him that it only hadn't been detected because they weren't looking for it.
Subsequent studies were done, one of which saw no evidence and one of which at least DID find evidence, though in only a minority of active C19 cases.
So, it looks like it _can_ be in the semen (no comment on vag). But of course, may be a moot point since you'd probably catch it anyway if you had sex with someone who had it. But to the extent that the odds weren't 100%, this would certainly increase the chances of infection.
Greetings gentlemen, with all due respect this "virus" in my opinion is nothing more than the catalyst for government inspired intrusion and control of global interests over the rights of all human beings. There is a NWO on the horizon and there is very little we can do as individuals to prevent it. Collectively, maybe, but things will never be the same again as they were 4 months ago. There is so much conflicting information that it leaves one in a state paranoia. The goal is to instill fear among us towards each other and they did one heck of a great job doing what they have to us, globally I might add. Everyone is scared and so full of fear that people simply do what they are told to do without question. This "bug" is nothing to be afraid of. It's here just like all other flu and will be here just like all other flu, forever. There is no cure for a "virus" and vaccines only work about 50% of the time with many unknown side effects. Follow the money, $13,000 for each C19 case paid by Medicare under the CARES Act and $39,000 if you can get that patient on ventilator. Do what you feel is necessary for your health and I can only say that people do not die from this "virus" they die from pneumonia in most cases and other illness' that a person already has. Mostly "old folks". We as a society will build up an immunity to it and it will go on the back burner just like the rest of the flu unless they continue to use it as a tool for social engineering and fear mongering.
Peace,I do appreciate reading about these types of conspiracy theories and some are quite interesting. YES there is a lot of money and power at stake during these times to make one suspect as to what the motives truly involve.
So how does something like this begin? The USA secretly plots to unleash a deadly virus or propaganda reporting a deadly virus then the rest of the world follows suit on the "deal" or was there a secret G7 meeting somewhere in Europe that also included rouge nations that were brought into the scheme?
Now that is has developed I can definitely see what you are hinting at and it isn't far off from being correct / wrong BUT how does the entire world get with the scheme?
I know a 50 yr old male with no pre existing conditions that died from it in NYC . This is a real virus.
Lots of saving with SSI payments and many apartments opening up. We have been saying how overpopulated the world is and the lack of resources available to people BINGO.
I have NO DOUBT that this will be used to people's advantage somehow like the 9/11 rules which followed that disaster.
I do appreciate reading about these types of conspiracy theories and some are quite interesting. YES there is a lot of money and power at stake during these times to make one suspect as to what the motives truly involve.
So how does something like this begin? The USA secretly plots to unleash a deadly virus or propaganda reporting a deadly virus then the rest of the world follows suit on the "deal" or was there a secret G7 meeting somewhere in Europe that also included rouge nations that were brought into the scheme?
Now that is has developed I can definitely see what you are hinting at and it isn't far off from being correct / wrong BUT how does the entire world get with the scheme?
I know a 50 yr old male with no pre existing conditions that died from it in NYC . This is a real virus.
Lots of saving with SSI payments and many apartments opening up. We have been saying how overpopulated the world is and the lack of resources available to people BINGO.
I have NO DOUBT that this will be used to people's advantage somehow like the 9/11 rules which followed that disaster.You can be sure, this antics will last 20 years like Bush's war on terror, and for what? For a cold that kills 0.004% of already sick 80-year-olds? Incredible what's happening.
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