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Scott
05-14-02, 01:55
Does anyone plan on going here that knows the place? I plan on goiung around the 22-27 of this month. Have been down a couple times had good times at la Conga but not at the strip clubs. Will say that the last time at la conga the girls were 2-3 range and I ran out of there ,while at the strip clubs there was a couple of 8-9's that I saw and would love someone to explain or show me the details of the ticket plus girl thing. Seen people go up and come back down absolutely pissed. While others liked every minute of it. And really what should tickets plus the girl, bj, sex cost ? Never seen the price combined for less than $82 USD. $22 for ticket plus 60 the girl wants. This being three songs lasting about 14-18 minutes at most. But when at la Conga when there is a decent girl 7-8 range 50 -65USD with about a 20minute limit. But had the girl tell them go away when they knocked.

Adventurous1
05-16-02, 08:58
I have seen the time last substantially shorter than the 14-18 minutes you quoted. I think the standard is about 12 minutes actually. Lord Blacks was $22 for a private room ticket, Lipsticks was $20 with 2 for 1 on Tuesday nights. Lipsticks has a $3 cover charge most of the time that includes a brew. Very intimate laps can be had for $6 at Lipsticks and the selection and quality can be great at times, so-so at other times.

The cost for the girl as anywhere is negotiable and depends on the girl and service requested. You will find a lot of good information on the OLD forum section of this site both under Mexico>Nogales and United States>Arizona>Nogales.

I have never gone to the Conga due to the many bad and mediocre reports on this site from many posters...

Kdog
05-17-02, 02:08
I will be in Tucson Sunday May 19 through Friday May 24. Which are the best days to visit Nogales? Are the clubs open Sunday night and if so, are there decent women working those nights? Are the clubs cheaper on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, than Friday and Saturday?

I've been to Nogales several times on Friday and Saturday nights. I'd have to agree with most posts that Lord Black is overpriced and somewhat of a rip-off. I like Rio the best, although, I somehow always end up spending well over $100 there. I could get some action in some parts of the US for that.

Twice I negotiated with one of the guys outside Rio that offers to call a girl to meet you at a local hotel. The first time, it was awesome. A really nice girl (looks and personality) came by. The price was $60 as I recall and she was great. She even wanted to go to some clubs afterwards. The second time, the girl never showed. The guy was having a hard time finding an available girl.

Kdog
05-17-02, 02:19
Scott, I can share what I've learned about the Nogales strip club scene. I can meet you on the 22nd, 23rd, or 24th (I'll be in Tucson that week). You pick the day, time (after 7:00pm is best for me), and club.

Borderguy
05-17-02, 20:11
I always thought Rio's was a rip-off and avoided it. But I checked it out a couple of weeks ago, and found it was a better deal than the other clubs ($5 lap,$10 private--Or is this just on Tuesdays?) Girls not as pretty on average as the other clubs but a pretty wide selection. i went to Lipsticks earlier expecting "two for one Tuesdays", but found regular prices and ended up spending too much $.
Why do Mexican strip clubs have you put your feet up on a chair during lap dances?
I've made a vow in the name of frugality to avoid the whole strip club trap. I can get better/cheaper lap dances in Tucson. Plus $50 is way too much for a covered BJ($20 room,$20-30 tip)
I've had MANY great experiences at the Conga. $60 for full unrushed sex ain't a bad deal.The key has always been to hang around , send away the more aggressive hags, and wait for the cuter girls to show up. They are less visible, often hanging out in the back rooms
But I'm going to give la Conga a rest while I explore the hotel scene. I had a good experience a couple of weeks ago(see Arizona posts) with model perfect girl. There is much greater chance of getting ripped off, accomodations out of some horror movie, greater physical danger--but I'm still intrigued. Someday I'll figure out this crazy Mexican underground sex scene, or not.

Scott
05-18-02, 09:04
Kdog can be down there 22nd or 23rd where would you like to meet up? 8:00-9:00 would be fine never been before 10:00 maybe that is my mistake. Borderguy your report on la Conga is 100% accurate.

Adventurous1
05-20-02, 17:35
Borderguy - Sorry you didn't find the Lipstick's 2 for 1. They must have changed that policy for I was there just 3 weeks ago and they definitely had that policy.

You asked "Why do Mexican strip clubs have you put your feet up on a chair during lap dances?

I have found they like to do it because they can sit on your lap without having to worry about whether or not you can hold onto them. I prefer to hold them and they don't insist on the chair at least as far as my experiences.
Your statement " I can get better and cheaper lap dances in Tucson."
Wow, at what club? If you can get laps in Tucson cheaper than $5-7 and get more mileage (geez they will do just about everything short of coming only because they want to get you into the private rooms) than Nogales, then I have been going to the wrong clubs there. Seriously I would love to know where. Please tell me because it is closer and more convenient for me.

Kdog
05-20-02, 23:44
I visited two strip clubs on Sunday night, Cherries and Rio. Surprisingly, both had decent women working. The only down side was Rio closed at 10:00pm and I believe Cherries closed at 9:00pm. Also surprising was the prices are the same as Friday and Saturday night. I guess they figure Sunday night is still the weekend. Most clubs seem to be closed on Monday nights and Tuesday-Thursday they should all be open and most have discounts on beer and/or dances. This seems like the best time to go. I'll check it out on Tuesday and give a report.

I have a warning, this guy tried to rip me off outside Rio. He was more middle eastern looking than mexican looking, with a mustache and he spoke perfect English. While waiting in line for tacos near the Rio (which, by the way, are excellent), he was very friendly with me. He took me around the corner to meet a girl. After working out a deal with the girl ($50 full service) he asked for $30 commission! I handed him $10 which is pretty good for 10 minutes of work. He then tried to grab all the money. I didn't let go and he eventually gave up. Unless your outnumbered, I suggest fighting off these criminals. If we make it easy for them to steal, it only encourages them.

Scott, let's meet the 23rd at 9:00pm in the Rio at the bar. I'll probably be the only white guy at the bar. If you're not familiar with the location of the Rio, we can meet at McDonalds on the US side.

Borderguy
05-21-02, 02:16
Adventurous1-My favorite club at the moment is Raider's Reef, esp . in the early afternoon,weekdays. Lots of personal attention, probably because the club is nearly deserted. Lap dances are $5 and can be intense--lots of kissing, ear nibbling, Bj through pants.
The lap dances I've gotten in Nogales have been, on average, more mechanical, more expensive, rushed and impersonal. But thats just my experience.

Scott
05-21-02, 09:06
Kdog I don't know the place by name but might have been there I will find the place and meet you . I'm going to be there on the 22nd. It looks like late now but find Rio's during the day Thur and see you at 9:00 Thanks for the help in advance.

SpermFactory
05-23-02, 06:03
Hey fellas, I think you guys are missing out on the SW scene in Nogie. I have had similar experiences as other posters in Lipsticks and La Conga, but my best experiences by far have all come at the hands of SWs.

If you go across the border, follow the road as it bears right, and then take your first right (going parallel to the border), you should be able to find some action after dark. You will go past the Fray Marcos hotel (the tallest thing in Nogales) on your left, and then turn left down the 'major' street - I think it is called Obregon. The first two blocks after you turn left (going away from the border) are usually stocked with hotties. If these directions are confusing, just ask one of the locals where 'El Tecolote' is. El Tecolote is about fifty yards to the west off Obregon down a tiny side street, and is a dive/strip/talent show bar located near the epicenter of Ho-ville. It is also, incidentally, where Morgan Loew tried to get into in his Channel 13 investigative report on child prostitution a month or so ago, if any of you saw that. I have never seen any child prostitution down there and thought he tried to manufacture a story. He did, however, get approached by several of-age SWs when he was doing his story.

The only tricky part to this thing is figuring out which are the SWs, since most of the 18-25 Nogales girls dress like SWs. My general rule of thumb is to circle the block a couple times, and if the same girl is standing in the same spot, she is probably working. I think there is also something going on with the solid black dress that a lot of SWs wear. Anyway, all you have to do is ask if they are working ('esta trabajando?'), negotiate a price, and most of them have a hotel room or apartment nearby. I am as gringo as they come, and I have been able to pull several 8-9s without any problems for $40-60. They inevitably will start off with $100 as their first bid, so never take that.

Mystic Pimp
05-25-02, 21:19
Borderguy, I've been to Raider's Reef (the "Boat") recently on a weekday afternoon...I don't recall the "BJ through pants" happening on a $5 lap dance...maybe you were in a VIP room or something.

cjv
05-26-02, 03:36
ok, i checked out Cherry's for the first time tonite. Not bad at all. But i gotta say, those little closets are a waste of time for $20.
Where can you get a bed inside a strip club? La conga? Please point me in the right direction where you can actually get a decent size room/bed...
Also, how much should a taxi cost to conga?
cj

Scott
05-26-02, 05:33
cjv a cab to la conga the last time I was there was $7 but does flacuate can be $10. After Kdog didn't show up I stolled a couple clubs and found out from one of the ticket guys at lord blacks they do have a room with a bed but don't faint people he said it was a non-rushed one hour with no early knocking for $210. The guy has been pretty good to me in the past always gives me specials with tickets. Don't know if this price can be reduced though maybe. oh!cjv la conga has beds and extra time can be had. Nego. with the girl. Eevery now and then a real cutie shows up there. I've been there 6 times and had a cutie at least 5. If none are there when you walk in sit down and have a couple drinks before leaving. I did run out early the last time I was there. Enjoy.

Borderguy
05-26-02, 08:55
Originally posted by NotoriousPoppa
Borderguy, I've been to Raider's Reef (the "Boat") recently on a weekday afternoon...I don't recall the "BJ through pants" happening on a $5 lap dance...maybe you were in a VIP room or something.
I was there Tues afternoon and yes on a $5 lapdance. Head in lap they put dick((covered by pants) in mouth. Just for 10-15 seconds, not the entire dance. And only a few girls do it. It's always a treat, but when i want to bust a nut I head south to Nogales.

cjv
05-27-02, 00:45
Spermfactory,
re: the SG, is there a hotel that i could choose other than goign to where the girls are working out of?? seems safer that way. Who knows what all is waiting back there? What do u think?
Also, whats the best time to catch the streetaction? I am thinking of going tonite (Sunday)
cjv

SpermFactory
05-27-02, 07:24
cjv:
Of all the Hotels I have stayed at (now 3 total), I think the nicest was the Fray Marcos. It's a little more upscale than the other slum rentals, so there doesn't seem to be many girls actually working out of there. I would get a room there, since it is right near the action - and I don't think a room costs more than $35-40.

I think if you walk around the block any time after about 10:00 you can be shopping.

cjv
05-27-02, 10:07
went to Nogie again tonite...just an hour';s drive from where in live in tucson. Rios was already closing down when i got there so i checked out Obregon street hoping for some SG, didnt see any,. at least i dont think i did. There were SOME very young looking girls walking around (mostly in pairs)> whats the deal? Am i dumber than a rock or were they not SG's??

Went to lipsticks after that and had a private session with Tanya. wow what a body!! near perfect. She didn;t seem too enthusiastic so it took forever for me to cum! But all ended well.A little pricey but worth it.
Hiope to get a hotel thing with her next time.

Any ideas on that??

cjv

DavePhx
05-28-02, 06:50
Dave's Guide to Nogales especially for first timers.

To start off I only know about two Mexican words..casa and no espanual sp?.. But that wasn't a major problem at least with the handlers or others. They understand English better than in Thailand where I got along fine. The girls are sometimes another story. Many speak no English others a little. Tony was the only dancer quite fluent in English.

Follow the Interstate all the way to "International Border Crossing" don't get off on the truck route or other streets. At first I was concerned I would wide up in the border crossing line with no escape since I wanted to park on the U.S. side and walk across (avoid having to have Mexican insurance and car is much safer on U.S. side). But after a series of sort of S curves you will see a huge McDonalds in the distance and look to your left and you will find a $4 UETA parking lot which is to the rear of the Greyhound bus station. This lot has been recommended in many reviews. If you go beyond McDonalds you have one last right turn to get out of the International border crossing line. The "$4 UETA parking lot back side takes you out to almost in front of the pedestrian crossing thing... to walk into Mexico.

Besides having to have Mexican insurance for a car, someone reported, " you DEFINITELY don't want to drive into Mexico... ...all the time I was there, it was like being at a demolition derby waiting to happen... ...the vehicles I saw there all indicate that this isn't unusual... ...so unless you've got an old junker, if I were you I'd DEFINITELY keep my vehicle on the US side of the border."

I suggest having lots of smaller denomination bills $1's, 5's and 10's. Some postings have suggested if you have larger bills often the handlers/arrangers don't have change so you get shorted. I did not find that a problem. All the handlers in the bars/clubs were honest and provided correct change. (If someone knows a better word for the "handlers" let me know... other than pimps!

To get more small bills I asked the nice fat Mexican guy at the parking lot entrance if had change for $20, which he did with no problem. You park your own car and lock it. The lot is open 24 hours.

When you get across the border you realize you are in a very poor country. Everything is dingy and dirty with tons of cabs and hawkers lined up to take you, get you drugs, girls, or girls. Actually other than the Rio hawkers, I experienced fewer maggots trying to have me buy something than I expected based on other reports. I was there on a Thursday night May 23rd arrived about 8PM and left a bit after midnight.

At this point it is fairly easy to get confused where to go if its your first trip. I had a map, but hard to follow where you are at the pedestrian entrance, but helped me once I got my bearings..and found those railroad tracks. I highly recommend you take MrBill's Nogales Map at http://nogales.**********.com/mrbill/nogiemap-clubs.html.

Club ****** http://www.**********.com and World Sex Guide at http://www.wsgforum.com has some of the most useful accurate information on their discussion boards, for most of the world, including lots of Nogales discussions. You have to register but the information is very useful (similar to TSM I found so helpful in Thailand but it is also a pay site). Club ****** seems to be a better alternative to TSM.

I easily found the Obsessions/Rio block but as I approached Rio the swam of maggots (hawkers) pounced trying to get me to let them take me in so they could get a fee to feed their children or something. I was so turned off by it I walked in the street to go around them and bypassed the club, continued around the block and found Obsessions. After Obsession, I tried approaching Rio from the other direction but was met by more hawkers, so I never made it to the club (you couldn't even get in the door without pushing through all the hawkers trying to let them take you in!). In Thailand you have all the Welcome Girls with the constant harrang of "Hi sexy guy" but you get use to it and they aren't nearly as aggressive. Rio was the only club I experienced this at. Some other clubs had "doormen" usually nicely dressed, outside encouraging you to come in but they were far more polite and less desperate than all the hounds around Rio which looked more like street urchins.!

The Game
The game is the same at all the clubs I visited. Most had no cover charge but Obsessions charges $3 but that includes your first drink. The routine differs from what we are used to on the American side. Girls do not generally approach customers for dances. Instead, male handlers, who often speak far better English than the dancers themselves, sell tickets for either table dances or private shows.

The game is the nice handler/arranger guys after they seat you try and sell you lap dance tickets ($7-10) or private room tickets ($20-22). The idea is either the handler will introduce you to a girl, you tell the handler what girl you want, or at a few clubs the girl may come sit with you and wine till you buy her a lap dance or private dance.

The goal of the lap dance is to get you to buy a private room session with the girl. I was only in one private room (Lipsticks) but from what I've read they are all the same. Very tiny closet like with a chair and nothing else. You pay $20-22 for the room for about 6-10 minutes and you tip the room guard $1 or so. For $30-50 for the girl you get a blowjob or for $40-$100 get a fast fuck. All rates negotiable except the fee for the room. The rooms besides being tiny are mostly very dirty and dingy. Since that wasn't my interest I never did any private rooms except with Tony at Lipsticks but she liked me so much from the dance my only cost was the room fee.

The Environment
Why don't they have these places where you can SEE the girls on stage? Most had very dark stages, some had strobe lights blinding you but no light on the stage so very hard to see the girl, unless old Dave is just going blind! As expected the music was loud and blaring so any attempt at any conversation even without the different language problem was almost impossible. But that is typical of most all strip clubs including in the U.S.

Drinks
If you have read my other trip reports you know I don't like beer...or any "drink". I just don't like the taste,I never have. In Thailand, Philippines, Canada and Calf clubs always order diet Coke or Pepsi. In Nogales they didn't seem to understand "diet" so at first too clubs at regular Cokes and a Sprite. But then I was a bit worried about the ice cubes in the glasses they brought. In Philippines and Thailand you were warned not to use ice but soft drinks fine even if from a dispenser machine. And of course no problem if in a can. Knowing I was definitely not used to foreign bacteria and how many folks get sick from Mexican water, I switched to bottled water which to my surprise the clubs had.

Specific Club Overview

Obsessions
More modern than some. Long dance stage in 2 sections. "Girls in waiting" sit in elevated area and can order them by number. Better lighting than some clubs but still not enough on stage. I always have a hard time trying to select girls just by looks. I much prefer when they come over to you and introduce themselves so you can judge their attitude, etc better. Or, I figure if the girl comes over at least she isn't totally turned off by older men like Old Dave. Obsessions was not very busy and girls were not circulating so finally wanting to experience my first lap dances in Mexico I selected two taller slender gals.

Both were very mechanical non-intimate lots of covered crotch in your face and didn't even take their tops off (were in bikinis). Lots more contact and my allowable touch than in the U.S. but very mechanical non-responders. Both tried to get me to private room but I had zero interest since I am turned on more by physical intimacy during dance than just nice body. As in all clubs dances were very hard fast grind - not my type. Tony was the only great responder (later report from Lipstick which other than Tony was probably worst club).

Find Those Railroad Tracks
After Obsessions walked around the block again to try Rios, but the hawkers again were just too aggressive for me. And I was getting dizzy walking around the block :) Now...where are those famous railroad tracks that get you to the other clubs. Some reports will say you can't miss these clubs since they are immediately to your left as you enter Mexico. But this must be if your driving. They aren't "immediate" if you using the walk in entrance which confused old Dave.

I at least knew I had to go Left to find and sure enough after you carefully cross the oncoming auto traffic leaving the border crossing, you stumble on to the railroad tracks (very rough walk across at least where I crossed). Now you are on the main strip club area with Placers, Lord Black and Cherry's (closes at 9pm so I was too late), on first street and on next street over you have Lipstick and Ferni's.

Placers
Larger a bit more modern but very dark. Wanted to try a lap so bought ticket from handler and said surprise me with someone since I hadn't really seen anyone of particular interest but most were OK. Did usual mechanical lap and was disappointed I wasn't interested in private room. Kept asking why in limited English, hard to explain I just wasn't into hot fast mechanical sucks or fucks in a closet.

It was so dark it was very hard to see the girls especially on stage. They had a 2 for 1 private dance special and had all the girls come on the stage and the handlers running around selling private dance tickets. But it was so dark all you could see is their outline! Flashing strobes were in my eyes, but not on the girls so you can see them well. I would have been willing to do a 2-1 private if that is all but not the expensive fast extras that as I understand are usually expected if you do a private room gig. But if I can't talk to them first, I would at least like to see them in the light to make such a decision!

Lord Blacks
Big gray building with pink neon. A bit more modern and nice, more like U.S. "Gentleman Clubs", good seating for a girl to come sit in your lap and talk and for much of the times more light but only when no girls on stage. But at least enough like you could see the girls on the floor. When did stage dancing dimmed lights to dark. I had two lap dances from quite attractive gals, neither spoke any English. They take your hand and lead you to a more private area. In both cases, they unbuttoned by shirt licked my nipples (sorry not sensitive), and unzipped my pants getting access to and stroking you know what. That was OK, I am not shy! They had me rub them all over and got in various fucking positions and simulated fast hard thrusting - not for me. Of course their main goal was to get me to private room. But was very mechanical not the sweat Asian or Canadian type interaction so I passed. They were disappointed but nice about it. 2nd gal took me to the upstairs area which was nice and a bit more private...actually we were only ones up there!

Lipsticks
Worst of the clubs for seating and lighting. I was 10 feet from stage and couldn't even see face of dancer so dark. Like to see if they smile at least! Seated on elevated area on edge of drop off, table, cheap chairs. The "available girls" were in elevated area but was so silly. Background area about 4 feet high had red lights to you could see the their legs, but absolutely impossible to see faces or most of top half of their bodies it was so dark. From what little I could see, seemed to have the least attractive girls..maybe that is why such bad lighting!

Not seeing anyone that interested me (actually hardly seeing fully any gals in the dark) I was just about to leave when out of nowhere Tony sits on the chair next to me. She says something like I hope you don't kick my ass for sitting next to you... I really have a nice ass...feel it (as she takes my hand to her rear). She spoke very good English and we started talking. She was first to cuddle up next to me like I like. She is from Baja California and was quite sweet as well as good salesmanship and nice body.

I did a lap dance with her, as she led me by the hand up the stairs to more private area. As some others did, she took my hand and placed it on bare vagina, breasts etc. About half way into lap, doing as I usually do, including the nice breast massage I enjoy giving, she started responding wonderfully to my more slow gentle caressing touch as many dancers do in Canada etc. I sort of "tamed" her from the wild sexy fast ride, to enjoying a much more intimate connecting experience. She said as most "responders" do, "gee you have nice touch...and such smooth hands". She said how much she wanted to give me a hj with lotion she carries if I would do a private room with her. But than she took me totally by surprise and said she enjoyed me so much I wouldn't have to pay her anything just the $20 room fee and $1 for the room guard.

Well, that was an offer I couldn't refuse and was interested in seeing what these closet rooms I'd read about were like. So off we went. The room was small and dingy with only a chair. She got naked quickly and kneeled on floor doing a fairly decent hj with lotion she had. After the allotted maybe 10 minutes the light flashed, she said ignore it and soon someone was pounding on the door. The hj was OK but actually I preferred the more full contact intimacy of the lap dance. Very nice hug at end and to my surprise she told me when she worked, but would be off for a week, but looked me in the eye and said how she wanted to see me again if I was in town. Obviously she was sincere in her appreciation for the type of intimate touch I enjoy sharing, but didn't find from my brief experiences at other clubs.

After that good ending and having been to all the open clubs other than Rio with the hawkers or Ferni's which has been reviewed as a "dive" next to Lipstick I decided to head back to Phoenix. As soon as started towards the track this little guy started yelling at me... "Going back so soon...how come?... I have really nice girls for you...I take you to Rio....you enjoy....ever been to Rio?" Sigh...another Rio hawker and we are about two blocks away. He kept hounding me about how he had another beautiful girls he could take me to, as I try to ignore him and walk fast (almost tumbling over the rough ground getting across the railroad tracks). I finally escape him and Mexico.

The street pimps for private girls
In other reports some say these pimps for girls actually do have nice girls they can set you up with privately. But I wasn't that brave. One report said he was approached by a guy outside of ... where else...Rio who worked out a deal for $50 for a girl and then mentioned he expected a $30 commission on top of the $50 for full service. The guy offered him $10 and he tried to steal the guys wallet. Before going to Nogales I read many reviews. It seems if you stay close to the border, you are usually quite safe, much more safe than in TJ. Other guys report they have had very good experience with these arranged dates by the pimps on the street.

Another public report:
I have been going to Nogales to sample the "mexican fare" for over several years now.. over 100 visits and have never been assaulted, mugged or otherwise hurt or put in trouble in any way. And this includes day and night. But it does happen. and I've heard 1st hand accounts and they all begin with a "middleman" taking some horny bastard to a house/apt/room for a chica. There are plenty of places like this, make no mistake, but in more than one occasion are tourists mugged or robbed and are too embarrassed to report it.

There is not as much street action in Nogales as , lets say TJ, but any girl you pickup there is concerned with her safety as well, even with gringoes. She might bring you back to her room, but will have someone look out for her. If you are concerned with safety there are a few chica-freindly motels in Nogales, that are safe and clean and if they are a legit provider they will be more than happy to go to a motel room.

By the way, the strip club scene has really cranked it up down there with school started. All thos UofA students (and their money) have attracted a lot more chicas. The unfortunate side effect is that they generally don't bargain well and seem to jack up the price for everyone. You always get your best deal if you negotiate before you go for your "privado".

Rio's - Based on other reports
Not the best looking place, and during the summer they sometimes didn't turn on the AC until late. Opens in the afternoon, closes about 3:00am. Some reports are great selection and attitude others say terrible. One says never had to pay more than $40 for FS in the closet.

Brothels vs Strip Clubs.
As in most mexican cities, especially border towns, there is a red light district where prostitution is legal. In Nogales there is an old, red light district a few miles from the border. The brothels are small bars with a few back rooms for sex. The largest of these is the Congo (La Conga Club). Some reports are very favorable and others say the girls are much less attractive in general than in the strip clubs.

The strip clubs are in the tourist district and not the red light district so prostitution may not technically be legal but its just accepted since it brings in lots of $US. Unlike in the legal brothels you don't have back rooms for sex or upstairs hotels like you do in TJ etc. Instead you have locked tiny cubicles in the strip clubs.

La Conga Club
I didn't visit but reports are this is a bit more laid back brothel in the Hills about a mile from the border. Cab is $5. It reportedly is more friendly and the prices are more reasonable, you're getting more for your money-no rushing or filthy closet rooms. You can walk it without any problems, but it's a bit of a walk; you have to know where you're going. Someone reported "For those who like some cuddling and a bed and more time at $65.00 there is La Conga. A true Mexican brothel."

Copa
Another bar/brothel is Copa. Someone reports, "I usually take a cab from the border to a bar called The Copa, I have only been there in daylight but usually there about 6 women to choose from who range from a 4 to 8, there has always been that one 8 there whenever I have showed up. Prices are good at around $40-60 depending on the girl and the service requested. In my opinion the area isn't the safest and that is why I always go during the day, the cab will cost about 5-10$ but is worth it, all the taxi drivers know the place so just tell them "Copa" if you don't know Spanish and they will get you there.

Leaving Mexico
You leave via a walkway closer to the "left side across the railroad tracks" bars. There are signs in English. The customs/border patrol guy just asked my citizenship and after saying U.S. I easily got back into the U.S.

There was a much more extensive checkpoint on I-19 heading back to Tucson. About the first exit N of Nogales the Interstate is totally blocked and all traffic has to exit and go through a check point with heavily armed military looking agents. They asked my citizenship, look in the car...asked what was under my jacket in the back seat (a Wall Street Journal) and wished me a safe trip. Old Dave hardly looks like a terrorist or smuggler. I do like the idea of the check points at least one attempt to keep America secure!

I might return to Nogales since I may go to Tucson more often but hope to find more gals like Tony or nicer places to have more intimate sex.

Best wishes
Dave in Phoenix
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Bad Ass Charlie
05-31-02, 23:01
DavePhx said he wasnt sure if he was going blind, having trbl seeing the girls at obsessions. You're not going blind, but I was there last night (a thursday). When you enter Obsessions, sit at the first table on the right, that way you can see the girls faces when they enter and leave their dressing room, which is well lit.

I told the male handler at Obsessions NOT to get me a lapdance, until I was ready. This gave me the opportunity to see the dozen or so dancer, all of whom were 8's, 9's, &10's. Most only went topless, some went totally nude.

I was able to learn how to know which ones were just going to be topless and which would go "total nude" by looking to see if they have a garter. If they do, that means they're going totally "Bare Ass Neked!" The garter is told hol $1 bills. No garter means they plan to keep their panties on, to hold the bills.

I was the only guy feeding bills to the girls. The other guys were deadbeats just drinking the beer that came with the admission price at OBSESSIONS.

When you give the girl a dollar, you can get a really good "feel up" of her ass, pussy and tits. She will also bend over and kiss your neck. The girls are on stage and you're feeling them up for about 45 seconds per dollar given.

Table dances were $8 at OBSESSIONS and the dance I got was from a beautiful blonde with a short sexy haircut and big tits. She definitely wasn't mechanical at all. She was the best dancer there and the table dance was better than the "VIP ROOM" (Closet).

At 1st she wasn't topless, but she did end up taking it off. Her bikini bottom was so small I was able to get my hands into her crotch and all over her ass with no trouble. She did say I can't touch, so I stopped for a few seconds and then resumed. She started rubbing her bare tits all over my face and grabbing my crotch and nibbling my nipples and ear lobe. If I had pulled my dick out, she probably would have given a handjob (not sure though).

She wanted $300 for fuck or $125 for blow job. I told the handler I wanted both and wanted to take pictures of her all for $100.

She agreed $100 for fuck and suck but no pictures. We went to the "VIP ROOM" which was just a closet with a chair. The chair had arms on it so it was hard for her to sit on my lap. Other positions were just as hard. She provided a non-lubricated rubber, which I hate. Should have brought a lubricated one. They allow for more sensitivity.

I ended up standing in the closet with her nibbling on my earlobe and running her hands all over me. I ripped the rubber off and jerked a load all over her tits and stomach. She was shocked that I did that. She then laughed with me about it as she was wiping herself off.

Not worth the $100. I should have just paid $8 to each of the 12 girls, that would have given me a close "Feel-Up" table dance with all 12 girls for under $100.

Bad Ass Charlie
06-01-02, 00:05
Last night (a thursday) I stayed at a real nice motel 5 miles south of the border. As you cross the border stay on the road you're on. 3 miles south you'll see a Burger King and Mcdonald's and a 24 hr supermarket. Exactly 2 more miles, staying on the same road, You'll see a huge TECATE sign. That's the Tecate distributor for the area. Across the street is a PFP police station (hard to see though) and you'll see a lit up square white sign with pink trim and black letters for the Hacienda del Real motel.

Turn right at the sign, go up the hill maybe 500 ft and turn right again. The place has a 24 hr gate guard and this place is clean!

Each room has its own garage with an electric door. The tv and A/C are operated by remote control from your king size bed. The lights can also be operated from you bed. The rooms are well lit, modern and very clean!

I use to work in the hotel industry, so I was looking with a fine toothed comb to find dirt. The sheets were clean and crisp. The toilet was modern and looked like it belonged in a new home, not a motel.

The tv got all 5 network channels (WB's a network) from PHOENIX! Not Tucson. WGN of chicago and a few other of the 59 channels were english, but CNN and most were en espanol.

Hair dryer and coffee maker were in the room. Very nice decor. They charged me $59 US. They spoke no english, but the guard who showed me the room ( I always look at a hotel/motel room before renting it) smiled and said Muchachas?? So I don't think they care if you bring women there, but even if they did, so what, you can hide them in the trunk or floor of back seat, since you've got your own private garage.

$59 was for a thursday night, not sure if they do what american hotels do and lower the rates for fri., sat., and sun.??

In america this room would easily go for $90 bucks. Not real fancy, but real modern and clean. Employees spoke no english so bring your spanish/english dictionary.

Know the difference between a hotel and a motel?? A hotel has a restaurant, although some motels will have the word Hotel in it's name, if it ain't got a restaurant, it's a motel.

The only street walkers I saw, I found out were very small guys who were good with their make-up. The 1st one had a rough sounding voice and a twisted up bra under its sure to look like tits.

WHEN IN DOUBT, THROW IT OUT! oUT THE DOOR IT WENT.

The next one was prettier and just as petite. I said: doe horas en mi motel vente dolares. ($20 for 2 hours in my motel?) It wanted to know where the hotel was so I produced a business card from the hotel. It agreed, but $80.

I then noticed it had a funky looking chest, just like the other one. I stuck my hand under its shirt and it totally flat and had hair on its nipples. I then looked at its panties, and it just didn't seem right either.

What's the rule? WHEN IN DOUBT, THROW IT OUT!! Out the door that one went too. I didn't see much else in terms of street walkers, maybe cause it was a thursday night??

So I returned to the Hacienda del Real empty handed, with just the memory of the girls at OBSESSIONS.

Bad Ass Charlie
06-01-02, 00:36
Hope you don't mind a 3rd report from same guy about 1 visit, but it occured to me that there's been talk about not taking your car into mexico.

I took mine and parked it at several locations throughout the evening with no trouble. Although I did pick the Hacienda del Real motel which has a private garage for each motel room.

When parked on the streets checking things out, I felt embarrassed that I had used the club to lock my steering wheel.

The insurance you can get at exit 4, just north of Nogales for $16 does cover you for the tehft of your car. There was only 1 intersection that looked bad,(as far as traffic recklessness) it was right at the border and all you had to do is be careful.

The further south you drive the cleaner mexico gets. I got a little carried away and went about 10 miles south before I saw a military check point and remembered you need a permit to go much further. I went past the checkpoint, pulled into a driveway and turned around to head back north. They were only checking northbound traffic. They just waved me through.

There were also soldiers riding through nogales in the back of stake trucks, occassionally they would get out and set up roadblocks in the city, but always just waved me though.

There were also policemen riding around in pickups. 2 guys in the cab and 2 guys in the bed, standing up holding onto hand rails. 1 of the guys would always have an M-4 Colt machinegun, which is a stubby version of the M-16, as used by U.S. Air Force Air Commandos, Army Green Berets, and Navy Seals.

There were actually more military and law enforcement personnel at U.S. checkpoints than mexican checkpoints.

By not driving, you're missing out on a lot.

P.S. The mexican soldiers were young, uninterested and and appeared to be poorly disciplined and seemed to lack initiative. They appeared to be doing as little as possible to still get their checks.

Adventurous1
06-01-02, 13:13
Geez Charlie, I admire your spirit of exploration, but why wander around in areas that you don't seem to know anything about when there is so much delight to be had in the border area? If your hotel was fairly close to the border as you described, why not just cruise Obregon and pick up the real thing? You apparently stumbled on the Mexican version of West Hollywood out there!

Maybe another of our brethren here can make some suggestions for "out of border experiences".

Your description of the military there is identical to what is seen in the Tijuana area. Since there are many violent occurences in Tijuana, I wasn't surprised by their presence, but in Nogales? That is surprising...

Adventurous1
06-01-02, 13:19
Dave in Phoenix - You describe you goals as being quality intimicacy as opposed to hard and fast sex. Not asking for a "Penthouse Forum" version here, but am interested in precisely what form of contact that this entails. Could you describe what you are talking about?

Thanks...

Adventurous1
06-01-02, 13:24
Spermfactory - You describe the SW action on Obregon after dark. What is the safety factor like in that area?

I have found that the short walk from the border station to the Lipsticks/Lord Black's/Ferni's area can occaisonally require ducking the panhandler element (that sometimes I wonder could turn into a mugging type of thing). Walking much deeper in this town after dark would seem like it could be a definite risk.

What do you think? Any others that opinions on this too?

Dinghy
06-01-02, 15:17
Obregon is relatively safe to maybe 3 blocks past tecalote and up to maybe midnite down to the canal cut-off for conga (never walked farther and there's a lot more of Nogales) but there are a couple of semi-deserted stretches in that kilometer. Since dinghy is no small boy, I have no problem with crossing the tracks directly after entering mexico, but one night a couple of years ago I was walking Obregon between tecalote and canal when a car stopped and 3 mex got out - 2 walked a few stepa ahead of me and the other went the other direction but after 5 or 6 steps wound up 15 or 20' behind me (which I realised) in artillery terms, I was "bracketed" and not being willing to "fired upon for effect", I took the logical out - I walked out into the street and walked down the middle of the street back towards the border for about 1/2 a block and then back to the sidewalk. Adios chingaderos. Trouble is that they seem to roll up the sidewalks in Nogales after 11pm or so and gets downright deserted (too many OPPORTUNITIES FOR PROBLEMS). At least TJ (revolucion, anyway) seems to have some presense til about 3am. (I may be big but I'm not el stupido)

SpermFactory
06-01-02, 19:12
I agree with dinghy that Obregon is relatively safe on the stretch of road where the snatch roams. I have never had any problems or even any edgy situations, but maybe I'm just lucky. I usually check Obregon out on Friday and Saturday nights, and it's usually crowded enough with partiers that muggers get scared away (or maybe turn to pickpocketing instead). In the less crowded stretches, I think if you walk with a purpose like your pissed off about something, you won't be exposing yourself as a gringo and nobody will mess with you.

Regarding cjv's earlier post, I can't say for sure whether the girls he saw were working or not. I can say, though, that about a year ago I was walking down Obregon and saw the same types of things, young pairs of girls walking together. One total hottie, maybe 18 or 19, walked by and caught me checking out her tight backyard after she passed. I kept walking, but she called me out and asked something to the effect of if I wanted to hit that thing. I ended up taking her to my hotel - I mean motel, and banging the hell out of it. I had no idea she was even working, and I still have trouble figuring out who is working and who is not, but this led me to think that a large number of these hot young muchachas are down with it.

Adventurous1
06-05-02, 07:57
A Monday evening adventure revealed the following. Street action on Obregon was non-existent at about 10:00 pm.

Lipstick's, Cherries, and Fernie's were closed on Mondays evidently. Tried Placers for the first time.

Laps are $9 and Privates $22 which is a bit pricier than I am used to at other clubs. Mostly 5's and 6's there but had a couple of laps from Angel (blonde hair 5'6" 120 lbs-about a 7 on looks but a 10 on action). After she got through with me on the dance floor, I would have worried about getting pregnant if I was female. Whipped up my shirt and started tounging and sucking my chest, playing with my package and sticking her tounge in my ears.

She was a bit older so I opted for Private with a 19 year old cutie
named Adriana. 5'1" 95 lbs and cuter than hell. Pefect bod. $50 for my pleasure in the mini-room upstairs. The ticket broker doubled my time to 12 minutes after I whined to him about the high prices and short times.

They also offer a room with a bed for $170 for 30 minutes all inclusive but passed on that. Have a feeling I could have gotten much longer than that with the girls if I had negotiated for an outside option...

Borderguy
06-06-02, 08:29
Walked up Obregon tonight but didn't see any obvious action. So I kept walking to La Conga to see who was working. I wasn't planning on sticking around too long unless I saw someone unusually nice. But Naomi kept pestering me,rubbing my crotch-petite 95 pound spinner-who's been working there a year or two. Very nice BBBJ then FS. I swear she trys and suceeds in shredding the condom whenever I fuck her, because it always vanishes and I always end up cumming inside her. I walked back down Obregon and stopped off at Rio's for the hell of it. Noone caught my eye -and private dances are a pricey ripoff so left after one drink. Is Tuesday the only 2 for 1 nite there? Looked around the side street for action, but nothing going on, unlike last trip.

WorldTraveller
06-07-02, 00:42
Interested in La Conga.....Please post more about it.....how far down? taxi/walking? I am not a real big fan of Mexico and would really prefer to get some people to go down for a good time....safety in Numbers ya know? Borderguy, what are you paying for Naomi?

Looking forward to more posts......anything helps!

Borderguy
06-07-02, 05:45
La Conga is a couple of miles from the border, so I would recomend a taxi. Fare is 5-7 dollars, all cabbies know where to go. All the girls ask for $65, I always pay it though I hear some guys negotiate a lower price. Hell, a rushed blowjob in one of the strip clubs is gonna run a min. of $40-50. Quality of girls varies, but I almost always walk away happy. You can also request a girl by name. I'm more interested in SW scene, but La Conga is a safe,sure bet
Has anyone else seen the remodelling done at La Conga? New furniture in the bar. Rooms have a fold out couch and big plastic plants.

zipper
06-07-02, 06:07
I've heard a bunch of bad things about Ferni's. It's the only place I've been to in Nogales. Every time I go there I get a "privado" in the little closet with a chair and a curtain. Lasts a good while and I always get an HJ without having to pay any more than the price of the "privado" itself. Usually a little fingering and sucking on her nipples too. For a little under $20 it's a decent bang for the buck.
My experience with the quality of girls down there is pretty nice too. Usually when I went there I was the only gringo and the girls were looking for me as much as I was looking for them.
Would like to go to la conga or somewhere else for fun in the near future, but I agree with other posts that safety in numbers is the best bet. anyone interested?

zipper
06-07-02, 06:15
what is the opinion of the LE in Nogales? Do they give a fuck about busting up what happens at la conga or any of the strip clubs? Has anyone been harassed by po po down there and if so what's the deal?

Borderguy
06-07-02, 07:49
I've always avoided Ferni's after reading a post a while back that it was filled with transexuals. Maybe a bad rap,but ...........
La Conga is SAFE.As safe as any bar in the US. Don't worry about the police (prostitution is legal in Mexico as far as I can tell). This isn't the US!! Concentrate on enjoying yourself. Take a cab to and from the area if you are paranoid. I often walk and have never been bothered.
Same deal with the area around the strip clubs. Cops are my least concern. Watch your wallet! I'm always wary of those aggressive street hustlers/pimps/drunks. But a couple of times they have steered me to some sweet street pussy, for a small tip.

Borderguy
06-07-02, 08:53
"Safety in numbers" = wimpy nonsense. I love introducing friends to Mexico but a group=competition for pussy at hand.

WorldTraveller
06-08-02, 00:03
Borderguy....

No offense taken by the comment......I have had several very bad experiences in Mexico, none in Nogales, but am not looking forward to my first there. Yes, I got into several situations that had I not been drunk, they prolly wouldn't have happened. I am much more aware of my surroundings, etc now. I will be happy to show anyone the knife wound that took 160 stitches to close up, if they wanna look, well.....it is on my face, so you don't have to look too hard, I was set-up by a SW to be attacked by "her jealous boyfriend" and I was robbed after I was slashed. Thank god for plastic surgery I am not deformed, just scarred.

I didn't mean for an entire group of people to go down and compete for a limited supply of pussy, I am just saying if I am with 1 or 2 other guys, I feel a whole lot better, and if a place don't have enough pussy for 3 guys, its the wrong place...lol

I have no problem taking a Taxi down there by myself, but probably wouldn't walk it. Just don't like mexico....

Borderguy
06-08-02, 01:42
Worldtraveller
I am probably naive in my approach to border towns. Thanks for your story, there are predators out there. I've never been physically threatened but I should be more aware of the danger that exists. Maybe its the danger I'm attracted to
In any case, La Conga is a friendly safe place. A taxi ride to and from should ensure a good time.

WorldTraveller
06-08-02, 03:19
Borderguy,

Well.......I must admit, there is a certain attraction to the danger element. I guess because I experienced it firsthand in Mexico, that is why I hate Mexico so much.....But, as you can see, I am asking about specifics, which means I obviously am planning on going back....lol...Danger? Stupidity?? I am not sure which. My only words of warning are to be aware of your surroundings, thats all......Do I look like a victim? No, I am 6', 250, solid build, walk with confidence, I am not a "typical" victim or what you would think one would be.....When you are buck naked, drunk and screwing a hooker and the door gets kicked open by a scumbag with a blade, it does catch you off guard.....I just thank god that it ended up on my face instead of my throat, as I saw this piece of shit lunging at me with this blade, I bent my head down and kinda shrugged my shoulders at the same time....had I not bent my head and shrugged the knife would have slashed my throat........I don't think the guy really wanted to kill me, but rather to cut me and stun me....afterall, he did grab my clothes and head out after "making a scene" with the hooker, like I said....jealous boyfriend....I played dead until he left.......a set up is what it was.....anyway, they found my clothes out in the street, no wallet, no id, no credit cards, no cash....just clothes with blood on them......

I know you will probably laugh at this, but ever since that day I can only screw facing the door....LOL....even at home LOL I have to laugh about it myself....

I am not going to live like a victim.....I still get excitement from the danger of things.....

Sooooooo.......when are we going to Nogales??? LOL

Tell me about hours at La Conga, I would hate to make the trip there to find they are closed....

zipper
06-08-02, 03:57
That's what I was talking about. Not 11 guys rollin up to draw staws to see who goes first for the only 3 good looking ladies in the place.
I've been in a couple of predicament's myself south of the border. Never involving mexicans, but with other drunk americans, but the mexican LE is always looking for a reason to grab you, and bust your balls until you give up most of your cash.
There's plenty of pussy to go around in small groups and nobody tries to fuck with 3 guys rollin up to the titty bar.

Dinghy
06-09-02, 18:24
Traveller - Conga seems to be open when the other bars in town are open. As to when there are women there, though, probably best after 6 maybe 7 (I was in at 3 or so and found 1 (yes ONE) girl, somewhat hungry looking asked me how much I was willing to spend, declined (spoke Inglais). I remember a couple of years ago when the range was from 2 to 7 with 6 maybe 7 girls (available, not "engaged") and a standard $60 charge (but I happened to find one before she went to work (I found out later that she worked Conga) for $20 (her room, elsewhere) The Zona in Nogales is there, just hard to find except for the strip bars (the place I went a couple of years ago isn't a bordello any longer, I guess - I found a couple of bordellos close to Conga but the description of locations is cryptic at best, and I'm not even sure they exist anymore) Except that I go to Nogales (for med's) when I'm in PHX, I much prefer TJ.

Borderguy
06-10-02, 09:30
I've had several very good afternoon experiences at La Conga.My favorite was a few years ago when I met local gal in the bar who was not professional hooker but willing to give it up for the going price. You never know who is going to be there.Luck of the draw you might say. I've also walked out on weekend evenings for lack of attractive choices,
I was once robbed at gunpoint in an elevator within the projects of a major US city. A streetwalker set me up to be robbed,at least she blew me before she fucked me over. Luckily I had tipped her $5, because she told her hoodlum friends to go easy on me.
This can be a dangerous hobby,wherever you go

WorldTraveller
06-12-02, 01:32
Hey Borderguy....

I agree.....and I am not bitter about what happened to me.....I assure you, I am much more cautious as a result of it. Because of the nature of the whole scenario, it does make "us" easy prey, especially in the USA where things are not legal in all places. I mean, it is like any illegal act, if you get screwed in the deal, what are you gonna do, go to the police??? Yeah, Right!

I too like to come across the ones that are just short of money, or not so jaded by working in it for a long time.....maybe just hooking part time.....can be sooo much more fun that way.....

Well......I will try to get down to La Conga and sample it....

I am just trying to get clear on hours.....I remember some of the places I tried to go to in mexico, didn't open til late.....so La Conga is open during the day??

Be Safe...Have fun!

Scott
06-13-02, 02:54
WorldTraveller last time I was there the owner told me he opened at 11:00am. This was during the week though not the weekend but maybe the same time. Iwas going back the next morning to retry a fox he had and she was as cute then as the previous nite imaginge that. WOW 7.5 with an 8 attitude. Tight and small bbbj reverse cowgirl....... 60 total

WorldTraveller
06-13-02, 22:12
Thanks Scott.......that sounds great.........please let us know...

WorldTraveller
06-18-02, 15:01
Nothing going on in Nogales???? I have a co-worker who's brother was down there this past weekend at one of the bars....he got a bit out of hand and ended up in jail in Mexico....will see how this plays out and may post more details as I get them. Apparently there was a dipute over the price of a girl and the time.....they ended up dragging him out with his pants around his ankles....Ahhhhhhh, booze, *****s, mexico and Federales.....:) He is still in jail as of today and this happened saturday.

Jwny72
06-19-02, 18:09
I was in Nogales yesterday (Tuesday, 6/19/02). I went down around noon and walked down Obregon looking for the street action that allegedly (sp?) exists there. I found none, probably because the time of day was wrong. I expect that SW's are more of a night-time phenomenon. I stopped at Cherries for a few beers and a gander at the the gals on stage. Had a private dance there, and for $20 beyond the cost of the dance (which was also $20) I had a nice 10-12 minute make out and grope session with the "dancer". She was way hot (great body), fun to grope at, and she gave me a nice handjob while I was licking her pussy and ass. Fun, but not very cost effective, which is why I look for alternatives to the strip-clubs.

I went to La Conga after and had a terrific session with mi chica favorita. It was supposed to be a half hour, but the gal likes me (I'm one of her regulars), and I must have tipped the bartender enough because there was no knock on the door. I was in the room for at least 45 minutes, and paid $60. I got bbbj, daty, dfk, and cfs in all the positions I could want. It was great. The gal is Carla, she's petite, cute as can be, and provides a real GFE. I recommend her, but treat her nicely. She's a real sweetie.

Easy Rider
06-21-02, 20:28
Too bad you hate Mexico so much.

But blaming your bad experience on everyone in a country of 100 million is like saying I had a car wreck once, so I'll never drive again.

Maybe your attitude gets you in trouble. I've been whorin around Mexico for 30 years, and never, ever, had a problem. However I always behave like a guest in "their" country, am always respectful, and make a point to show respect.

And I show respect to a *****, or avoid her. But I never give her any shit.....They have too many big friends.

And I never, ever, act macho. That is their deal, and like all virile young macho bullies, they love a challenge. Don't try to proove anything when there. Especially in a ***** house. Just chill out, be polite, and enjoy all their great pussy.

Another tip is to not go to clubs with inadequate security. Here in Matamoros, the good clubs always frisk you when you enter. That is a good sign. And watch the big sholder guys who don't act like waiters. They are the bouncers. If you don't see any, then get the fuck out of there. Two or three big bouncers should always be present. They are paid to be there for two reasons. First to protect the girls from you, (in a good club), and second, to protect you the good customer, from other rowdy customers.

Most all the problems I've seen in mexico, were caused by gringos fighting gringos, or arrogant gringos insulting *****s or waiters. One drunk idiot actually was stupid enough to slap a ***** in a joint in Reynosa last month. What the mexican bouncers did to that big shot wasn't pretty...

But you don't have to let a dishonest waiter rip you off either. If he's short changing you, or whatever, just ask for the gerente, (manager). Don't argue too much over a few bucks. Just explain the problem to the manager, and if he does'nt solve it, get up and leave. Then post it on this board, and we will all boycott the fuckin place. And if someone happens to know the owner, or manager, then chances are that little fuckin waiter is going to be reported, and he will get the kick shitted out of him. (That's how the owners deal with corrupt waiters).

The girls are there to suck your dick and fuck you, for only a few dollars. And most know what's expected of them, and are ready, willing, and able to do their job.

Mexico is not a dangerous country. Just remember your a guest in their country, show a little respect, and enjoy all their beautiful young cheap pussy.

NO PROBLEMA MAN.....

Desert Rat
06-22-02, 16:54
I realize this a board for Nogales, Sonora. However, I was looking for information on the AMP in Nogales, Arizona. They used to advertise in the Tucson Weekly. Does anyone have any information? TIA

WorldTraveller
06-23-02, 01:13
Well Easyrider,

I never said I hated Mexico, it is just not one of my favorite places. I think overall the people are very nice there. I got set-up once, I am more careful now. I have been robbed in the states as well. I have not blamed ALL of the citizens of Mexico, nor would I ever........I just try to be more aware of my surroundings, thats all.

I have a wonderful attitude, I am not macho, I am not pushy, I am not loud, am always respectful and I always act as a guest when in ANY country I visit.

I had a very unfortunate incident in Mexico that scarred my face for life (160 stitches), I have been back since then, I will go back again, but there are alot of other countries that I have visited since then that I would prefer over Mexico any day. That is my personal opinion.

I commend you on not having to go through what I have and I hope you never have to. Like I said, I had a few too many drinks, became a target and I am sure it was an isolated event.

Oh well.....anyway......I will be back to sample some of what Mexico has to offer, just gathering some info before going.....

WorldTraveller
06-23-02, 01:29
Update on co-worker's brother's nogales adventure......

Even though he is Mexican-American, it seems that he is one of those macho, noisy, asshole visitors that can't handle his liquor. The story gets deeper........he had a backpack with a pound of weed in it when they dragged his sorry ass out of the bar with his pants around his ankles. Oh well......tough luck.....too bad....so sad....I guess it is people like him that make things more difficult for fun-loving guys that just wanna pay for some pussy and have a good time.

zipper
06-23-02, 07:53
what's the latest on ease of crossing the border? I haven't been down to mexico in about a year. If I cross some time at night (walking) and head to the strip bars, or la conga and then head back by myself is anyone going to give me a hard time?
I don't fit the profile of who they are looking for, but don't want to be harassed either.

Borderguy
06-23-02, 11:26
Zipper asks:
"what's the latest on ease of crossing the border? I haven't been down to mexico in about a year. If I cross some time at night (walking) and head to the strip bars, or la conga and then head back by myself is anyone going to give me a hard time?
I don't fit the profile of who they are looking for, but don't want to be harassed either"

Upon crossing the border you will be approached by Mexican terrorist operatives who will try to slip you a briefcase size nuclear device to smuggle back into the states.
Beware of the taco venders, turn your back and they are likely to slit your throat. Life has no meaning in this country.
Be especially careful of the mariachi musicians, inside their guitars they typically conceal razor wire and will decapitate gringos without hesitation.
Good luck

Adventurous1
06-23-02, 15:29
Desert Rat -

There have been numerous posts about this MP in Nogales here on this board in the past.

To boil it down from my memory, unless you are into middle-aged Asian women and want to depart minus 100-150, you should travel the extra 500 feet across the border into Mexico...

Zipper -

As to the safety factor when crossing the border to the Lipstick's, Fernie's, Lord Black's, Placer's area, I would say that it is pretty safe. If you are totally paranoid then just take a $5 cab ride over there. If not, just walk toward the cab stand, take a left and go up about a block or so and take the first crosswalk left toward the railroad tracks completely across the U.S. entrance traffic lanes coming to the border. Then walk back toward the U.S. border to the last right hand gap after the buildings and you will see them over about 50 feet in front of you. Lord Blacks and Placers will be to the right, and Lipsticks and Ferni's will be one block straight ahead and then to the right.

To orient yourself propertly, if this is your first time, I would go during the daytime so that you can see everything plainly. Only Cherry's will be open after about 2pm, but at least you will know the lay of the land (no pun intended). Good luck and good hunting, there are many fine young ladies there for your safe and unharrassed entertainment...

Easy Rider
06-26-02, 03:06
Upon crossing the border you will be approached by Mexican terrorist operatives who will try to slip you a briefcase size nuclear device to smuggle back into the states.
Beware of the taco venders, turn your back and they are likely to slit your throat. Life has no meaning in this country.
Be especially careful of the mariachi musicians, inside their guitars they typically conceal razor wire and will decapitate gringos without hesitation.
Good luck [/i][/QUOTE]

Those are the kind of guys who shouldn't go. They will be so damn uptight with their illogical fear of the unknown, or anything different, that they will probably end up starting some shit.

Everybody, stay out of Mexico. Its too dangerous. Just stay the hell out and leave all that pussy to me and borderguy.....hehe.

Adventurous1
06-26-02, 05:47
Easyrider - Your quote
" Those are the kind of guys who shouldn't go. They will be so damn uptight with their illogical fear of the unknown, or anything different, that they will probably end up starting some shit. "


who are you talking about? Zipper asked a perfectly rational question so it sure as hell couldn't have been him.

zipper
06-27-02, 00:23
Allow me to clarify somewhat since my orginal question was not properly understood. I have not been south of the border in about a year. Prior to that I used to frequent the bars and strip clubs in nogales, and I am quite familiar with the town.
my question was about the border and crossing back to the US, and whether it's a hassle or whether it's as laid back as it has always been for a pasty white guy like myself who fits none of the "profiles" of who the border securitiy people are looking for.

Scott
06-27-02, 05:54
Zipper no promblem at the border. It's the stupid Questions upon return that will frighten you, 85% nice and the other 15%. Whew! Be as smart as they are. The last time I was there a girl asked me If I was bringing anythink back. I looked at my crotch and said I hope not and was waved through with a laugh.

Adventurous1
06-27-02, 09:07
Hell yeah. No problem. I cross all the time and just carry my driver's license. All i have been asked is my citizenship and that's it. I did notice that sometimes they will enter the number of the license...

Joe Blow
06-28-02, 20:14
Easyrider -

I'm down with you and Border Guy! Everyone else stay out! I LOVE Cherry's!! I know other people have said better things about other places, but to me, Cherry's is the best! It also helps that it's open during the day, and the other's aren't.

DreamingEagle
07-01-02, 04:55
The part of this thread about being a good guest and about the guy who got dragged out of the bar with his pants down was amusing and brought out some good points...

I have been living in the "oh so dangerous" city of Ciudad Juarez now for two years and never had a problem, although I have seen plenty of big mouthed Americans headed straight for BIG problems because of their attitudes.

You just cannot assume everyone is out to get you in every encounter with the Mexicans, something I know having been on foot in the city for a solid year before I got up the gumption to start driving there. 99.9% of the people are very friendly and helpful.

I will admit, though, that.1% is as bad as they come, anywhere.

But if you have good instincts and don't attract the wrong kind of people here at home you probably can rely on your instincts in Mexico, and, as been pointed out millions of times, even if you sound like an idiot trying to speak Spanish the Mexicans really appreciate it and will just be amused when you make a mistake.

That all said, you do have to watch your ass there...

Muffdiver21
07-01-02, 05:48
I went to Nogales last Thursday afternoon. After smoking a Cuban cigar and drinking some Cervesa. I headed over to Rios around 2:00 pm. There were 4 girls there. Only 1 was sort of interesting to me. But I decided I didn't want to try and fuck her in one of those small closets. So I headed over to LA Conga. I was met as soon as I walked in and sat down by a girl named Gloria. She started feeling my cock for about five minutes, so I agreed to rent a room with her for $65 dollars for 40 minutes instead of only 30 minutes. Gloria was a blacked haired 7 around 30 years old with a nice bush for a busy. She sucked my cock without a rubber, I then ate and fucked her. My only mistake was I should of gotten off before I went to see her, because I blew my load way to quickly. It was much better than trying to fuck one of those girls in a closet. But I will go back to the clubs next time in hopes of finding some younger super hot pussy to screw...

Borderguy
07-03-02, 09:34
i should have followed muffdivers lead and stayed the hell out of rio's. i rolled into nogales about 7pm and walked up obregon. i sat in the park with the statues for awhile. a girl sat down next to me and started chatting me up-"can i have a cigarette?", "what are you looking for?", etc etc. young, very cute,dressed very sluttily. however i didn't really pursue it because she appeared borderline ****, late teens for sure but a possible problem. i don't even know what the age of consent is in mexico. walked over to the park again about 10pm but 2 motorcycle police were parked there and no apparent action. so i walked backtowards the border, i let one of those obnoxious street hustlers steer me to some hotel pussy. "70 dollars for 2 hours". he took me to the same flophouse hotel, the hotel plaza, where i had prior date (posted in tucson/nogales section) a couple of months ago. it is on the very first street you come to when you cross the border--the street with taxis lined up. he offered me one girl who was hanging out in front of the building---pretty decent looking but thought i could do better. another girl was busy with a date but i didn't feel like hanging around the lobby forever with that obnoxious guy.( cut out the middle man. anytime someone wants to show you some girls at a hotel, thats where he will take you) i want to explore that hotel more, there is some crazy shit going on back there. maybe i'll rent a room sometime, when i'm feeling suicidal. last time i was there half-naked people were popping in and out of rooms, total insanity. the janitor is an american guy. anyone else have any experiences here?
so thought i would go around the corner to rio's for a little while. two-for-one night-on tues--private dances are $10/laps $5. but few of the girls appealed to me and i had already bought 2 private dance tickets when i sat down. most of the girls requested $40-45 for a cbj, $60-70 for full sex (which i refuse to pay) finally i settled on big breasted blond girl who was a real pain in the ass. demanded $5 for a condom after giving her $20 for bj. kept complaining $20 was "nothing" and repeatedly asked to look in my wallet. also had nice $10 private dance with a girl who let me probe every cavity without pestering me for more $.
i considered going over to la conga afterwards, but that blond chick gave me headache.

Muffdiver21
07-05-02, 09:15
I just got back from spending the 4th of July in Nogi. I actually saw some fireworks in Mexico. I went to every TD club I could find. The best 3 on this night were Lord Blacks, Placer's, and Obsessions. With Placers having the most girls and Lord Blacks having an upscale atmosphere. I only bought 2 girls;one at Lord Blacks and one @ obsession's. They were both about 8.8 on the rictor scale. With the one @ LB's having bigger tits. and the one at obsessions having a prettier face and better personality. I got 2 table dances from the girl at LB's. She let me feel her tits. They were really nice,big and real. But other than that she did not get much into her dance, and quit dancing after the first minute of the second song. Boy am I glad she was a *****. Because with money to burn I headed over to Obsessions near the border and had the best time I have ever had with a dancer.
Dancer being diffrent than call girl. Any way. I bought 2 table dances and did everything possiable with this blonde haired beuty
that could only of been 18 or 19. She wanted $110.00 FOR 25 minutes with full service. I had to run back across the border to Bank of America because I only had $86.00 on me. But when I got back she was waiting. She took my clothes off right away and then took her own clothes off. I got down on my knees and started to eat that owe so young pussy. She then sat down in my chair and I ate some more. About 5 minutes worth. all the while fingering her. I am almost certain she came becouse of the noises she made and extra water coming out. I then fucked her. As I stumbled back across the border, sweaty and off balace from my eat & fuck athon. I told the Border guards, "thank god for Mexico". They all want to go get some Mexican pussy after seeing me stumble across the border with a smile on my face. I really connected with that girl, so I think I will go back and re visit. That is why I am not giving you guy's her name. I don't want every one in Phoenix anfd Tucson going down there to fuck that tight pussy before I can go back and get some more.....

Jwny72
07-06-02, 02:12
Muffdiver21, I'm glad you had a good time, but you paid way too much. Negotiate in the future as opposed to agreeing to the first price they ask for.

LvLatinas
07-06-02, 21:19
I'm going to Nogales tomorrow with the hopes of meeting Carla, Gloria or Naomi from Conga. Does anyone know what time Conga opens, if at all, on Sunday? Would one of these three ladies be working that day?

Borderguy
07-07-02, 04:32
I don't know exactly what time la Conga opens,but yes its open on Sunday. I've been there mid afternoon on Sundays.Selection may vary,probably fewer women available earlier in the day,more towards the evening. Its open til 2 or 3 AM. Don't let yourself get pressured into something by the homlier,more aggressive women that hang around the bar. Have a beer and wait til cuter girls come around. Or ask for a girl by name,chances are they are back in their rooms and will come out when requested. Enjoy!

Muffdiver21
07-16-02, 21:52
Looks like I will be going to get a fur burger tonight, It being two for Tuesday and all..

Muffdiver21
07-17-02, 08:36
I just got back from Two four Tuesday's In Nogi! Placers was by far the best tonight. You got two for 1 beers and two for one private dances. I spent alott of time with a girl named Sarah. She had a great ASS. I mean a great ass. She sat with me for over an hour because it was not busy,and felt my dick the whole time...
I then when too Lord Blacks and got a condom Blow Job for $20 dollars plus $22.00 for the room. But the guy made me pay $10.00 extra because we stayed in for 3 songs. He threatend to call the police if I didn't pay for the extra song.....

Adventurous1
07-17-02, 11:17
I also went to Placers for the first time recently and liked it a lot too.

Enjoyed a 19 year old cutie
named Adriana. 5'1" 95 lbs and cuter than hell, girl next door type. Pefect bod. $50 for my pleasure in the mini-room upstairs and also got 2-1 on the room.

Managers and ticket brokers were cool too. Not pushy as you encountered at Lord Blacks. Not surprised with that place, and don't like the atmosphere and attitiude there anyway...

Joe Blow
07-19-02, 14:00
Me and the boys will be heading down this Thursday to Cherries in the afternoon. Anyone else gonna be there? I will give a full report! If it's anything lke last time, it will be good! Last time my friend was getting a private sloppy seconds from this HOT blonde girl that I had earlier. Apparently he was having trouble finishing, so she did what any self-respecting girl would do, gave him a BBBJ along with a prostrate massage! No extra charge - That's why you gotta love Mexico!

Borderguy
07-28-02, 09:43
Started things off at Placers. I bought 2 lapdance tickets, 9 bucks apiece and had 1 so-so and one lame lapdance.
Nine bucks is way overpriced. I had better lapdances for $5 earlier in the day at Raiders Reef (Tucson).
Next, I checked out the Hotel Plaza. Two girls were in the lobby, one kinda cute, one bad-tempered. But I walked out
because the guy at the desk wanted to charge me the full $20 room fee. As I was walking out, "Joe"-street hustler--said he would
take me to some other hotel/brothels in the area. Joe is English speaking guy who grew up in California. We checked out 3 other hotels, looked for girls hanging
around the hot dog stand. The last hotel we went to was on the lower end of Obregon next to a dance club.There was one girl upstairs, English speaking 19yo named "America"who
lives in Tucson, travels back and forth. Cute girl, slender build, nice body. I haggled with Joe about the cost. He wanted $80, settled for $60. Who knows how much he actually gave to the girl.
I also gave him $10 tip, mostly because of the tour of the area. He said he would "stand guard" outside the door to keep people away. Of course when I gave him the money he bolted out the door. America insisted on "lights out", which sucked. Pitch black in sweatbox of a room. I also found out she had the grand canyon between her legs, loosest pussy I've ever come across.
And she kept looking out the window nervously, checkung the door lock, complaining I had to hurry up and finsih because someone was coming. All in all not a very pleasant experience. Afterwards she told me she is 3 months pregnant and has another 2 yo kid. I think I prefer la Conga for no hassles, worry-free booty banging

Jwny72
07-29-02, 05:35
I just got back from an afternoon trip to Nogales. I went down with very little money, not even enough to drink. I accepted an offer from a gent named Joseph to go look at a girl working out of a nearby hotel. He spoke perfect English and was very polite. He said "come take a look, no obligation of any kind", so I took him up on it (other hawkers have been quite pushy, demanding a tip even when I passed on the girl). Anyway, the girl he took me to was named Hera, like the Greek Goddess (one of Zues's wives). She was young (probably 20 or so), good looking with a nice bod. She had brown curly hair with blond highlights (she was a light-skinned Mexican). She was also bilingual (fairly, her English was MUCH better than my Spanish). She wanted $50 and for me to pay for the room, which would be $8.00. I had $80.00, so I said OK.

She and Joseph escorted me to the hotel, which was a pretty run down dump. The first room I was given smelled awful and there were no sheets on the bed. There was a good chunk of time during which another room was being located and made ready, and Joseph was getting change for a bottle of water I'd purchased that gave me that awful "oh no, am I being scammed?" feeling. Especially because Hera dissappeared into the bathroom for what seemed like very long time. At any rate, everything turned out to be on the level and I had possibly the best time I've ever had in Mexico.

When the new room was finally ready and Hera was finally out of the bathroom, she starting things off by getting herself and me undressed in a sexy, teasing way (while bending over to pull down her own pants, she thrust her ass into my crotch and just held it there for a few seconds, for example). Then she asked me if I liked "games". Not knowing what she meant, I said "sure" (I was feeling adventurous, and she was hot). She then proceeded to blindfold me. I had mental images of being beaten and robbed while blindfolded and balked at first, but she talked me into it. I'm glad I listened.

She had me face the wall with my hands on the wall, the way a cop would, and proceeded to rub her body up and down my back while nibbling at my skin. It was an erotic massage sort of thing, with her using her body more than her hands. Very sexy. She then turned me around so my back was to the wall, all the while insisting that my hands stay on the wall. She physically moved me whenever possible as opposed to giving verbal commands. Once I was in the "back to the wall" position, she started to lick my balls and the underside of my cock (By now I was no longer anxious about being robbed while blindfolded as she definately seemed to be legit). She did that thing where they put on the condom using the mouth (very expertly, I don't know exactly at what point it happened). Next, she guided my leg so that one foot was on the bed, and the other on the floor. She continued to lick and suck my cock and balls and began to finger my asshole. She would lick the underside of my balls, spit on my asshole, then finger it while she went back to licking my genitalia. All this was done in a way to prolong my sensual experience, not to make me come quick (it was done almost teasingly). After maybe 10-12 minutes of this I was crawling out of my skin. All of a sudden she wasn't touching me for a few seconds. I waited in anticipation, then felt an orifice engulfing my cock, very, very slowly. She took most of a minute to impale herself on me until her buttocks were pressed against my belly (she backed herself up onto me). Then she started to ride me, very slowly. When I started to thrust forward to meet her, she told me to stop and let her do the work. This went on for a couple more minutes. It was incredible. I was going out of my mind. Then, she took my arms, one at a time and placed my hands on her hips. Lastly, she removed the blindfold and told me to fuck her like crazy. I did. After being blindfolded the whole time, the visual element really took hold in a big way. She had a GREAT ass, and the sight of it going up and down on my cock, with the cute little bunghole winking at me, was too much. I came in about 2 minutes after the blindfold was removed (the only regretable thing about the whole experience).

Afterwards, while we were dressing she explained that she worked at one of the clubs (Rio's, I think) and that her act was sort of a bondage and S&M thing. She also mentioned that she does full bondage stuff if you want to pay more. I've never been interested in bondage or any of that stuff, but I must say the experience of being blindfolded, asked to remain passive, and made love to the way she did it, was absolutely amazing. By the time I'd tipped Joseph, and assented to her request for a tip, I'd spent $75 of my $80.00, but you know what, it was completely worth it in my opinion.

So go down there and ask around for Hera. Pay no mind to the seediness of where you're taken, just go with the flow and you'll have a mindblowing experience. She gave me her e-mail address, and I'll be seeing her again for sure.

Borderguy
07-29-02, 07:26
Hera,yes I coudn't remember her name. I met her at the Hotel Plaza (a horror show of a hotel), 2 or 3 months ago. Absolute doll, full pouty lips, yummy. She asked me the same "Do you want to play a game,Put on this blindfold".I refused,thinking she or someone outside was going to grab my wallet. My fears were unfounded as she fucked like a minx

Niblet
07-30-02, 04:56
I am planning a trip to Nogales in September(13th-15th). How will the Mexican holiday on the 16th affect the stripclub scene? I am flying in from the midwest and would hate to show up on a dud weekend. I can move this trip to a later date if needed.

Thanks in advance.

LvLatinas
07-31-02, 02:52
Hera sounds like a lot of fun!! If I go to Nogales how do I find her? This sounds like one of those "right place at the right time" situations.

Rick the Dick
07-31-02, 20:36
So i think im going to try and go down to Nogales on a Sunday afternoon. does anyone have any advice on the best places to go? I would like to try and stay away from the the strip clubs, their nice however 15 min in a crapped room does suck. I've went to La Conga once and didnt see anythin impressive although the price and time was alot better than at the strip clubs. I was thinking of picking up maybe a SW and taking her back to a motel/hotel i just dont know where one is and where to look for a good looking girl. I would like to stay near the border if at all possible. Also is their any action on the streets at 1:00 to 5:00 in the afternoon and how much is a good looking SW?

Any advice?

Thanks----Rick

Jwny72
08-01-02, 02:39
Originally posted by lvlatinas
Hera sounds like a lot of fun!! If I go to Nogales how do I find her? This sounds like one of those "right place at the right time" situations.

It's my immpression that if you talk to one of the pimps/procurers who hang out by the border and ask for Hera, you could find her that way. She also works at Rio's (I believe) and one could ask for her there.

Rich_AZ
08-03-02, 00:36
Rick I have been to Nogales on Sunday, not much going on until after sundown.

SuperD
08-04-02, 13:32
Went to Cherries the other day from 5pm to 7pm on a Tuesday. $8 lap dances and 20/20 for the room and CBJ. $3 beers and no cover. The girl was 19, tender, and best of all did not speak english!

Scott
08-04-02, 21:34
A little off topic but I'm going to try heard there was and wonder if it still exist a good eat place called the Cave. Nothing better than good food an good sex. thanks for info.

Azrobert
08-06-02, 00:20
The "cave" is called La Roca and the food is excelent !

Have been there several times. It is moderately priced. I still prefer the taco stands, can't beat those tacos !!!!

La Roca is on the same street as Lipsticks.

Scott
08-06-02, 21:03
azrobert Thanks for the reply.

Azrobert
08-07-02, 07:01
No Problem,

I go down there at least 2 - 4 times a month. Most of the people in the bars know me by name now. It really beats the scene in Phx and Tucson all to *&))

Mike Hock
08-08-02, 22:47
Hey all you....I'm guessing that Nogales is pretty close to Tucson. Can someone give me some pointers as far as time/distance from Tucson to Nogales...where to park at the border and how to get to Nogales from the border....thanks.

Azrobert
08-09-02, 07:53
Sure..... Nogales is about 45 min to an hour from tucson south on 19 (stay on 19 till it ends) I always stop for gas and restroom at exit 12 (Pilot gas station) I drive into Mexico but do not recomend it unless you are very famaliar with the area. You can park at the Ueta parking lot, costs $4.00 (more if you spend the night and come back the following morning as I often do) if you walk through the Ueta lot you are at the border crossing.... Once you cross ignore all the people that will offer to assist you in finding anything you want and cross the main street to the left and you will find Lipsticks, Lord Blacks, and Placers. Fernies is also there but have never enjoyed my time there.
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That should give you a good start.

Mike Hock
08-09-02, 14:57
azrob....thanks for the info....so it sounds like some of the clubs are just like one block from the border crossing? That sounds pretty good...In TJ there are streewalkers lined up around the block...no kidding...like every three or four feet. Is this the same in Nogales, or is it just the club scene?

Azrobert
08-09-02, 21:34
Yes... Most of the clubs are within a few blocks of the crossing. There are a few SW's but it would be difficult without driving in to Mexico and like I said that is something I would strongly reccomend aganst until you are very comfortable with the town and have Mexican insurance. The driving and insurance laws are very different in Mexico. You can go to jail for a minor traffic accident unless you have specific Mexican insurance. In Mexico you are required to settle damages on the spot. if someone is hurt in an accident it is a whole different game! I have been approached by SW's walking around, and there are a few hotels that are friendly towards this but you would have to speak Spanish to negotiate this with the girls and the hotel. The quality of the SW's I have seen leaves a lot to be desired. The girls in the clubs on the other hand are absolutely beautiful ! your best bet is to find a girl in one of the clubs and try to work something out with them.

Borderguy
08-12-02, 23:19
Stopped in Nogales Sunday afternoon. First went to Cherries, because its open days and I haven't been in awhile. Maybe 7-8 girls there, only one or two I was interested in. Got a $9 lapdance with a girl who was fairly affectionate and let me finger and play with her pussy. Then I took a walk back towards the border. "California Joe" wouldn't stop following me around, trying to sell me pharmaceuticals.I asked if Herra was around,he said he could take me to her hotel but instead took me to a pharmacy pushing prescriptions. He got real ugly when I tried to shake him off, I'm steering clear of that guy from now on. To escape Joe I hopped in a cab to go check out La Conga. We get to the club and he demands $20 fare.Bullshit!. But he won't let me out til I pay,I finally gave him $15 and vowed never to take a cab again. Friggin pirates everywhere in Nogales. I get to la Conga about 6:30, there are 6-7 girls hanging around the bar. The bartender suggests I try out a new girl, Marie, 18yo slender,cute,under 5 feet tall. $65 usual fee. She undresses and lays on the bed very passive. Wouldn't do BJ until I offered another $20, but it was worth it cause she is so cute. She has no bambinos so her pussy is very tight and clean. I would see her again. I walked back to the border,once again had to dodge Joe on the way out.

drnick
08-13-02, 01:58
Some of those cabies can be real ripoffs usualy they dont charge much to get to the conga but the return trip they will deffinatly mug ya.

lord blacks by the border has an upstairs bedroom and depending on the girl i got in thier for only 70 bucks for 40 min but others will charge you 70 just for room and another 60 or so for the girl. Depends on the bouncer as well, as what girl you take.

Metal_Mickey
08-13-02, 06:51
Nogales Amigos:

My experiences have been limited to Tijuana so let me see if I got this straight:

re: Nogales

The only place that works like Adelitas or Chicago Club (where there are hotel rooms attached to the bars) is this place called La Conga? The idea of grinding it out in a locked closet doesn't sound so appealing to me, regardless of how hot the girl might be.

Also, in Tijuana, there is a HUGE selection of street girls on any given night all located on the same exact alley/street. For the record, is this street called 'Obregon' the place to go for SG action in Nogales? And do the girls all work out of a local nearby hotel as they do in TJ? How safe/clean are they (the hotels...)?

THX

Azrobert
08-13-02, 08:18
drnick


Where is the room upstairs at Lord Blacks ? same place the "closets" are ? I have spent too many nights at Lord Blacks to count and know a lot of the people there very well and have only heard rumors about this room !!! I am surprised Luis hasn't tried to get me to spend $$ for the room. I usually never even have to pay the girls, other than a private room fee for FS

Borderguy
08-13-02, 08:40
"the only place that works like adelitas or chicago club (where there are hotel rooms attached to the bars) is this place called la conga? "

correct

"the idea of grinding it out in a locked closet doesn't sound so appealing to me, regardless of how hot the girl might be. "

i agree. plus, the closet is not locked. in some places there is no door, simply a curtain. and the bouncers often times peek in. plus, you are expected to finish your business within 2 songs in near total darkness. and its pricey.

"also, in tijuana, there is a huge selection of street girls on any given night all located on the same exact alley/street. for the record, is this street called 'obregon' the place to go for sg action in nogales?"

there are very few obvious streetwalkers to be seen. some of the girls you see on the street will go with you to a hotel, but this is mediated by obnoxious street hustlers who will introduce you to available girls for a fee. i've read about street action on obregon but i've never seen any, and i've walked it many nights.

"and do the girls all work out of a local nearby hotel as they do in tj? how safe/clean are they (the hotels...)?"

there are a few girls in the 3-4 hotels on the 2 blocks adjacent to the border but its hit or miss. i've never been shown more than 2 girls at any of the hotels, usually one or none present. the two hotels i've been in are little more than flophouses with sagging cots, no fans, and sketchy people lurking in the hallways.
tj it ain't.

Italiancritic
09-11-02, 19:54
Niblet

I will be in Nogales Sept 14 and 15. You won't be disappointed.
Lord Black is the best club to go to. Some say Lipstick but I've been to both, and I like Lord Black better. Ask for the private room if you can get. On the week end it is very busy. The small rooms have only curtains. Not much privacy. Good Luck

Jwny72
09-12-02, 00:50
Originally posted by Italiancritic
Niblet

I will be in Nogales Sept 14 and 15. You won't be disappointed.
Lord Black is the best club to go to. Some say Lipstick but I've been to both, and I like Lord Black better. Ask for the private room if you can get. On the week end it is very busy. The small rooms have only curtains. Not much privacy. Good Luck

I agree with you about Lord Black being more enjoyable than Lipsticks. I'd like to know more about the private room at Lord Black. Having only used the small rooms with curtains, the private room sounds fantastic. What's the cost? On the little menus that have on the tables there $200 (for an hour I assume) is quoted. Is that the real deal, or can one have the experience while paying less? If that's the actual cost, it's too steep for me.

Adventurous1
09-12-02, 03:21
Other private room options there in Nogie are at Placers and Ferni's (in the same neighborhood as Lord Black and Lipsticks). The rate that I paid at Ferni's was $140/hour and the rate that I was quoted at Placers (but haven't partaken of yet) was $145 for 45 minutes. Yes Ferni's is a dump with mostly locals there but my private room experience was exquisite with a 18 yr old petite beauty with major chest action (probably fake).

Surprising if your tastes run towards younger petite types, these two clubs have their fair share of talent and seem to be more reasonable for the private room...

Italiancritic
09-12-02, 15:47
JW

Everything is negotiable, except in season. Usually Jan to about the end of March.

You can arrange to take the girls to a hotel room also.

The girls are on their own after closing and you can deal directly with them without paying the house fee.

I've done this more than once.

Jwny72
09-12-02, 22:04
Thanks for the input, everyone.

oso41
09-22-02, 03:31
Anyone have directions to la conga (walking & driving). Been there once and I want to aviod using the taxi again. Thanks.

Oso

SuperD
09-24-02, 03:25
Yes please - walking directions to the "Congo"

I enjoy all the other places - just looking for something different - and that is what it is about!

Borderguy
09-24-02, 06:03
I don't remember the street names but I did find a simple map of Nogales with some of the clubs highlighted:
http://nogales.**********.com/mrbill/nogiemap-clubs.html
Also another Nogales guide:
http://www.sexwork.com/nogales/may2002.html
To get to la Conga you go down Obregon for about a mile then turn right on ?---somebody help me out here. La Conga is maybe two blocks further on the right hand side of the road. I've walked it quite a few times, mostly in the daytime. I've walked it at night but don't know how safe it is to do that.
You might take a cab there and walk back. Most of the cabbies will ask for $5-7
Dave's Guide mentions a "Copa Club" brothel.Is that place still in existence?

Borderguy
09-24-02, 07:22
OK,I think the street you turn right on is called Calle 5 de Febrero.
Found it described in this article:
http://www.azstarnet.com/health/illness/hiv/20317-mexicohiv2.html
There is a clinic near LaConga as they describe.
Also, "Copa" is probably just mangling of the word "Conga".

malaka68
09-25-02, 04:47
Hello all,

This is my first post. I am looking to have some fun! I want to take a weekend and head down south. I live in San Antonio, and i was hoping mabe someone could give me some insight on were to go. What options are out there and how far away they are from me? If anyone could help, i would appreciate it. If anyone is taking any trips between now till OCT 07, drop me a line.

Happy hunting!!

Borderguy
09-27-02, 09:03
I am so tired of ameican-side bars. I've tried to frequent these places and meet local women. It's a losing proposition, what fewwomen are around already have partners.While I'm invisible on this side of the border, I can drive a few miles and become a chick magnet. All I'm looking for is a little female attention. Where are the American women?On that note I'm thinking of heading south tomorrow and find some loving.
Do American women suck or WHAT?

Knowledge=Power
09-27-02, 18:31
Several questions/clarifications for the group from someone whose never been to Nogales. Many thanks in advance for your responses.

I am considering packing a small (two AA battery) Mag-Lite (brushed aluminum body) flashlight in order to lighten the private room activities. You can unscrew the lens end of the flashlight and place it under the opposite end of the flashlight, thus creating a pedestal for a mini-torch of undiffused light. I tried this out in a darkened bathroom and it seemed to throw off a reasonable amount of light. I thought placing a “torch” flashlight in a corner of the room might be advantageous to those who wish to see their girl, as many of the posts describe the private rooms as darkened closets!

Before I do, can anyone offer their thoughts on: a) whether a bouncer or Federale might consider the item a weapon, b) do you expect a girl would object to the light, or c) is there enough ambient light in the private rooms that this is a waste of time?


Does anyone know if Cherries offers 2-for-1 deals (table dances and/or private rooms) on Tuesdays?


Can someone clarify the length of a standard table and private dance? I’ve read you can negotiate additional time for each, but please help me understand the starting point of the negotiation. Is it the length of one or two songs (as with U.S. strip clubs), or is it a timed activity (i.e. 6 minutes for a table or private dance)?


Thanks all!

drnick
09-28-02, 09:32
ive been in lord black private room twice its pretty nice. real bed and bathroom. first time girl got me deal for only 110 total for 40 min. second time i spend about 145 i think usualy 70 for room 70 for her 5 for bouncer.

some guy that i see most of the time when im already broke but never find him when i got the money has a bunch of girls on the same street as all the big clubs and says its 50 to 80 an hr. (depening on girl )in the hotel near thier. but i never seem to catch him. i think name is joe. but not sure. i saw a couple of his women too and the 80hr one was damn fine!! too bad i already wasted my money in one of the closets.

da_hunter
09-30-02, 17:52
I've been to the "little closets" at Cherry's and the problem isn't the light. It isn't dark, I could see everything just fine. The problem is that it's small and the time goes by quick. For the price it's not to bad though. I've been there about 5 times and it's always been $20 for the room and 20 for CBJ or $40 for FS. These are the same prices I've paid for SW in Tucson and I prefer the "little closets" to the car. I also most definitely prefer the girls in Nogales to what you find on the streets of Tucson. Once, a street hawker set me up with a girl that looks a lot like Selma Hayek(sp?), for , if I remember right, $80. I later found out she is a dancer at cherry's and another club, I think Placers. There's a hotel around the corner from Cherry's where a lot of the dancers stay. That's where I met this girl. I've since just gone up to the woman at the window on the second floor and asked to see the "bailarinas". There are normally one or two around.

Niblet
10-01-02, 02:49
K=P

I snuck off to Nogales three weeks ago, while visiting relatives. The women were better looking than I imagined they would be. I had a good time and have decided I need to visit my relatives more often :)

Got lappers at Rio, Cherry’s, Lipstick, Placers, and Lord Black. Got privates at Rio, Cherry’s, and Lord Black. Also went to Ferni’s. I also carried a small mag-lite after reading about the closets. I never used it, the closets are small and not well lit, but I could easily see everything that was occurring. Nobody considered my mag-lite a weapon, but my “weapon” got a lot of consideration :)

The standard private dance appeared to be six minutes timed. I was there on Friday night and Saturday afternoon and the only place I was offered a 2-for-1 was at Lord Black by Ruben (one of the waiter/pimp/translator guys). At Rio and Cherry’s I bought two privates each time and tipped the timekeeper $2 before the dance. The person you need to negotiate with is the waiter/pimp/translator guy. If you are unhappy with his answer ask another w/p/t guy, they seem to have different levels of authority for giving discounts? On Tuesday I believe you will find several clubs offering deals.

Get Mr. Bills map, it is great (see Borderguys 9-24 post for the URL). You will need to go to the block Rio’s is on to cross the tracks, there is a fence separating the border crossing traffic. Bring condoms (I have been told the clubs charge $5 per). Also check out ladiesofnogalesdotcom for more info and pics of a few dancers.

Later

Theumced
10-02-02, 10:23
I finally feel like a real world traveler now. I took my first trip across the border to Nogales(10/01/02). I've been reading ya'lls posts and just couldn't wait any longer. I live in Phoenix, so I knew it would be an all day trip. I left about 11:00 am and arrived within 3 hours or so. Felt totally unprepared. I knew I wanted to go to La Conga, based on all that I had read here, but didn't know how to approach the taxi driver about it, so I walked around the main streets for a good hour, lost as hell..... no map...... real good planning on my part. I finally went up to a tax driver(I now know where all the 1980's Chevy Caprices got to), and told him I wanted to go to La Conga. He just grinned real big and said, "Ahhh, muchachas!" This made me feel at ease. I don't know much Spanish, but I know some basics. I could tell this dude knew exactly what I was looking for. We agreed on $5 for cab fare.

I arrived at the club not knowing what to expect. A big fella was waiting outside the door. I guess he doubled as the bartender/proprieter for the girls. He invited me in and handed me a beer for $1.50. Then immediately, an older skinny woman sat down beside me and started rubbing my leg and my crotch. Of course, we went through that whole crap about buying the lady a $5 drink, which is about 2oz. of orange juice and a straw. I didn't want this woman, but I didn't want to tell her to bug off. So I bought her a drink w/o bitching. I just didn't return any of the affection she was giving me. I could tell the bartender/manager was getting impatient. He was wanting his money quick, I guess.

I noticed several nice looking girls. None were 9's or 10's, but most were about what I expected. I noticed a pretty woman, about 25 or 30, in tight black clothes w/ her hair up walking in and out of the door. She walked by me, and I reached out and put my arm around her and pulled her to me. I told the bartender, "get this pretty girl a drink." I didn't mind paying $5 for this glass of cheap juice. By this time, the older gal got the hint.... I could tell she was a little hurt, which wasn't my intention. She smiled, thanked me for the drink, and got up.

I asked the manager how much it would cost for me to spend some alone time w/ the girl I picked. He said $65, which made me trust the place, given the fact that I had seen this price quoted as their rate on this board before. I handed him $70 and told him to keep the change as a tip. He was very happy now.

The girl said her name was B-something. She didn't speak English at all, and I could never understand her pronounciation of her name, though I asked her 3 times. She led me around back through the gate and into a small, well-lighted bedroom. She couldn't find a condom, but being the genius I am(j/k), I had brought along 2 condoms in my pocket. We stripped down, and she worked on me awhile w/o a condom until I was fully erect, at which point she placed the condom on me. We spent about 30 minutes together, in which time she let me kiss her and touch any part of her body I wished. All the time she was smiling very nicely. We finished up and she french-kissed me and thanked me. I was so impressed with her service and attitude, I tipped her $10. She asked if she could keep the extra condom, lol. I said, "sure."

I hope I get to see this girl again. I plan on visiting Nogales again shortly. She wasn't the hottest girl I had ever seen. She had kind of a saggy belly/stretch marks. I figured she must have had a child not to long ago. But I'll tell you this.... I'm willing to sacrifice a point or two on looks for a great attitude and willingness to be playful along with the customer. I've had my fill of un-affectionate/cold/hurried SW's in the states. From now on, I'll stick w/ women who are affectionate, take their time, and who seem to enjoy it. It makes the experience so much more pleasurable and memorable.

After I was finished, I wandered around the central part of town for awhile, listening to a few bands in the little park. Very relaxing, esp. w/ the nice breeze blowing. I started walking around town trying to find a place to sit down and have a few beers. I then passed Rio, and all the hounds came after me, bugging me to death. When I refused another woman(was about out of money), they offered everything from drugs to jewelry. I said, all I want is a beer. "Come in here, senior. Get beer and watch naked ladies. I said, "No! I just want a BEER. No ladies right now." I gave him a dollar and he took me to a bar called, "Reggies." Very nice bar. All locals and cheap $1 draft Coronas. Had 5 drinks then left.

When I left Reggie's, a hound from Cherry's found me and started in on me.... following me around like black death. By now I was lost, and knew I needed to be heading for Phoenix, so I told him to show me the way back to the border crossing, and I'd give him a tip. He was a very nice guy. Just annoying as hell. He took me to the gate, and I gave him a buck, and promised I'd check out his goods next time.

I plan on going back in another week or so. I think I'll go down on a Thursday or Friday afternoon, grab some action that night. Stay in a nearby U.S. hotel, and then go back around lunch the next day for another round or two, before heading back to Phoenix. If you're gonna drive that far, might as well do what you're there for, right?

Once again, thanks for all the info guys. Sorry this post is so long. I just wanted to share my first experience w/ somebody, since I can't tell my father, lol. Maybe someday I'll run into some of you guys down in Nogales.

Todd

Borderguy
10-02-02, 19:10
Nice report Todd.God bless La Conga,I love that place.Everybody is always so friendly.I've been with the girl with the distinctive stretch marks.She is pretty otherwise,nice friendly attitude,but her stomach was a turn-off.The older skinny woman I'm guessing was Mariella.Not bad looking but missing alot of her teeth.She is always hanging out at the bar,nice girl really.I fucked her once a long time ago.She gave a nice toothless BBBJ gum-job but once is enough.
There are some real cuties there on occasion.There are always new girls I've never seen before too.Next time I'm going to haggle for a full hour.

Theumced
10-02-02, 23:19
Border,

Where do think I should try next time.... a place that isn't a rip-off or a joint they rush you out in 10 mins? I'm gonna go back to La Conga, but I want to try a new joint to.... some place w/ some hot women. Any imput is appreciated.

TMackDo

Borderguy
10-03-02, 07:24
actually i took a trip to nogales today.bought some viagra at the pharmacy($14.50--boner insurance policy) then went to cherries for a beer.there were 12-15 women milling around,i bought one $9 lap dance.girl let me finger her pussy,suck on her tits.
then i walked over to la conga.not many girls working this afternoon,only 3 hanging out at the bar,not bad looking but nothing outstanding.the bartender knows me pretty well,she says "i know you like skinny girls,young and skinny.the only skinny girl working is sonya,do you want me to get her for you?"she goes out back and brings sonya with her.i recognize her, i fucked her a few months ago. 35 year old with nice body,but face starting to age.very friendly,good attitude.i buy her a drink-$5.she starts rubbing my crotch.bartender says she will give me 40 minutes with her for the usual $65.she starts with bbbj,nut sucking,kisses all over my body,then extended fs.very eager to please,well worth $65
tmackdo,
la conga is unfortunately the only brothel in town.your other options are the strip clubs(where you will be rushed big time),hotel girls(there are a few hotels rep001tered around that have girls,some quite hot, but i've been rushed by them too) or you could try getting a hotel room and bringing girls there.forty minutes is the longest i've ever been offered.

UfaMe
10-04-02, 20:01
Can anyone tell me where is La Conga

Borderguy
10-04-02, 20:32
Its on Calle 5 de Febrero a mile or two from the border.Take the main drag away from the border,heading towards Hermosillo.Take a right on Calle 5 de Febrero.Its several hundred yards down on the right.Big sign,can't miss it.

locker
10-08-02, 06:11
I live in Phoenix but have never tried the MP's in Nogales. I have a simple question: Is prostitution legal in Nogales and/or Mexico as a whole? I was in Cabo a few months ago and SW were everywhere in town. If I go to Nogales do I need to worry about LE?

Theumced
10-08-02, 07:15
Prostitution is legal in many places in Mexico. If you go to the places in these Mexico's guides, you'll not need to worry about LE.

UfaMe
10-11-02, 09:34
Everytime I go there I only go to Placers. This seems like the best place and the safest. I know one Tony, who is one of the I guess pimps in that place. He always points out the best girls to us. My friends and I feel like VIPs there.
Are there any other clubs with better girls, service, and cheap. Please let me know because I plan to go there in the next couple of weeks.

Italiancritic
10-11-02, 19:38
ufame

Lord Black is owned by the same group as placer. They are classy but very expensive. Lipstick has some good looking girls from time to time. If you want longer time and more room than a closet try LaConga. I've never been there but Obsession is said to be good and Rios doen't have the best reputation.

Metal_Mickey
10-12-02, 10:56
I agree with the comment that Placers is the best strip joint in Nogales at the present time--they have several girls working there that could easily be stars at any major club in the states. The table/lap dances there are fun and you can usually always let your hands do some roaming. However, I think their private VIP dances are a total scam--had one and haven't attempted another one: girl got me up there (the tallish, thin, flat chested one with the medium length jet black hair and the milky white skin...), agreed to full service for $50, then, after all of say 5 minutes, and maybe 7-8 thrusts in her pussy, the curtain man says times up and would I care for more time? Dumbfounded, I just tell the girl that I'm out of money and (this is precious) she says (in her limited english mind you) do you have a credit card? Pissed, but not wanting to cause a scene, I just said adios and was out the door--live and learn. I don't know--maybe after you get to know the girls they won't be such vultures--some of you Nogales veterans ought to know. Anyway, took previous advice and went to La Conga--if you want unrushed sex at a reasonable price ($65) this is a safe bet--the girls there aren't what you would necessarily call strip joint material though...

Jwny72
10-14-02, 01:11
Has anyone had any luck getting a girl to do greek in Nogales, be she a club girl, a hotel girl, or a girl from La Conga? If so, is it expensive? Just wondering if anyone who's had the experience would care to share details. Thanks in advance for any replies.

bear21
10-18-02, 18:10
This is my first post, I'm a forum virgin. Went to Cherry's yesterday (Thurs. 17th). They have a special going on, VIP up stairs. $100.00 for a girl, 6-8 beers for 30 minutes. I think this is an on going special, because they also had it on Fri. the 11th. Can someone let me know what SP,SW,FS,LE & SG etc. mean. I'm a local (Nogales), and just getting back into the Strip Club scene.

da_hunter
10-18-02, 23:37
Most of those abbreviations are explained under "Terms & Abbreviations" in the upper left hand corner of this screen.

bear21
10-19-02, 01:08
Thanks da_hunter. Over sight on my part, like I said I'm a virgin to this forum. Sooner or later I'll get the hang of this. Thanks again.

Azanluver
10-19-02, 21:31
I'm going to Nogales next week. I would like to go to a strip club where I can get full service too. I'm going with some friends who would be up for strip clubs but not FS. I would like a place where I can pick a girl, go to a VIP room and get FS. Any suggestions on places? How much$$? Thanks for any help.

SpermFactory
10-21-02, 01:05
Sad to report that La Conga has remodeled for the worse. The doorway that used to lead back to the rooms is now a stucco wall, and they are apparently limited to two narrow stalls towards the front of the building in that open area to your left when you walk in. Certainly didn't affect Carla's performance, however... gold every time. The rooms at least have a sofa in them though, and you can take as long as you want, so it still beats the hell out of the other five-minute closet quickies being offered elsewhere in town.

UfaMe
10-22-02, 08:55
I forgot the directions to La Conga. Can anyone tell me what the directions are to this place. Please include the street names.

Italiancritic
10-22-02, 19:01
Originally posted by azanluver
I'm going to Nogales next week. I would like to go to a strip club where I can get full service too. I'm going with some friends who would be up for strip clubs but not FS. I would like a place where I can pick a girl, go to a VIP room and get FS. Any suggestions on places? How much$$? Thanks for any help.

Stay out of Lord Black. Very expensive. Try Placers, lipstick or Obsession. Cherrys closes early They don't make good money in the daytime so you don't get the best girls. Rios has a bad reputation. Prices 20 for the room 20 to 30 for cbj 40 to 60 for FS. be aware $20.00 for the room is only for about 5 minutes. you will be charges $20.00 for each five minutes.

Azanluver
10-23-02, 05:50
ItalianCritic

Thanks for the info. What time do most of these places close down in Nogales?

Thanks again

Italiancritic
10-23-02, 15:52
Originally posted by azanluver
ItalianCritic

Thanks for the info. What time do most of these places close down in Nogales?

Thanks again

Cherrys closes at 9:00 the rest stay open until 2:00 or 3:00.
I'm not sure I don't normally stay until closing.

Dbacksfan
10-27-02, 18:11
I went to La Conga for the first time Saturday. I have read many mixed reviews about this place, so I was a little wary about going there. Let me tell you, it was GREAT! I took a cab for $5. It seemed like about 1-2 miles to get there. I walked in and there was no customers at all. There was 4 girls sitting up at the bar. Most were 6's and 7's. There was one 5 I saw when I was finished. They asked me to sit down and offered me a drink. I had to decline the drink but was asked to buy a lady a drink for $5. I saw this really cute latina named Carla. I would rate her an 8. She was about 5 ft and weighed maybe 100 lbs. She had a very pretty face and nice hoots (about a B cup). I paid the $65 and she finished her drink. As I read on a previous post, they take you into a small room with a loveseat type couch. It's a little small but much better than the closets you get at the strip clubs. We made small talk for a little bit. She spoke fairly good broken English. That help consdering I know absolutly no Spanish. Being 5ft. tall, she stood on the couch and we began kissing. She than began to give a bbbj. She then put the condom on and we did our thing. Overall, I am very pleased with La Conga. I was not rushed at all. Carla was definatly the best GFE I have experienced in Mexico. I want to hook up with her the next time I'm there. I will definately go there again and pass on the strip clubs. Also, she told me that they generally open at 11am and close at 3am. La Conga is definatly a thumbs up!

bear21
10-29-02, 21:16
Went to Cherry's yesterday (28th), not much happening, kind of slow. Left about 6:00 p.m., and noticed that Placer's had a sign out front saying they are opening @ 5:00 p.m., don't know if this is an everyday thing or not ,I'll try to find out and post. Or if someone else goes, try to find out.

Daddy
10-31-02, 01:02
Placers is open at 5:00 but dont expect much that early.
It rocked untill 4:00am today!

Daddy
11-03-02, 21:23
Checked out the Conga, Dangerous from most all aspects. would not recomend any American go alone to the Conga. some one attempted to jack-up my buddy in the bathroom. If you want to go take a body guard, they are available for $20.00 for a few hours. Tip the waiter heavy he may be your only savior if things get rough!

Borderguy
11-03-02, 23:04
Daddy
What time of the day or night did this happen?I have always felt totally safe there,never been hassled,never seen any kind of aggression.A bodyguard for La Conga seems a bit much unless you are an especially drunk or unruly person.Its a small, friendly bar in my experience. I've never been there after midnight though,so maybe a rougher crowd?Or maybe you were just there at an unlucky time.

bear21
11-04-02, 17:55
Went to Rio's Sat.(2nd), Monserat was @ her finest. Had laps with Cindi & Suzi, worst laps I've ever had. Totally sucked. Then went over to Placer's, too loud & crowded, girls didn't seem too eager. The quality of the girls was decent, left after 2 beers. Then went to Lord Black's, had a great time. The quality of the girls is coming up here. I got a private with Kimberly, she also works @ Cherry's. Made a deal with the ticket seller, bought 2 privates ($40) for 20 min., and got FS ($40). She started off with a BJ, for about 5 min., then straddled me. Good pussy, she can really work it. Got up after a few min. and did it doggy style, I hate those damn chairs. She finished me off with a BJ. It was well worth it. Kimberly's about 22 yrs. old, black curly hair, pretty face, decent body, not much up stairs breast wise, but good anyway. Has anyone else out there had any dealing with her?

Dbacksfan
11-05-02, 05:29
Originally posted by Borderguy
Daddy
What time of the day or night did this happen?I have always felt totally safe there,never been hassled,never seen any kind of aggression.A bodyguard for La Conga seems a bit much unless you are an especially drunk or unruly person.Its a small, friendly bar in my experience. I've never been there after midnight though,so maybe a rougher crowd?Or maybe you were just there at an unlucky time.

I agree. I was there last weekend and I found it to be a very comfortable place to hang out. As far as tipping the bartender for protection; I'm not sure how much protection I would have received from her. She appeared to be in her mid 50's. I have not been there at night. I would be interested in knowing if this occured after dark. That would be enough to keep me on my toes next time.

Dave7427
11-07-02, 22:29
Hey Borderguy, I have not been to La Conga but it sounds okay. Are their cabs readily available there to take you back to border like in Aqua Prieta? I would like to try that place next time instead of the closets.

Anyway, after my experience in AP, I was ready for some Nogie action(not sure why?) So I got there about 6 pm and headed for Cherries. Wanted to see the new upstairs but that did not open till 9 pm. So I saw a couple of chicas I liked in there but wanted to do some more exploring so over to Placers I went. The doorman said 3 dollar cover which I had never heard of there before. No way I was going to pay but before I could say anything he said, "I like your face so you can go for free just give me a tip when you leave." Sounds like a scam to me. I sit down and in walks a tall statuesque beauty from Mazatlan. The ticket guy call her over and she plops on my lap. Her name in Placers is Pussy (yeah) but her real name is Suet or something like that. She had big breasts and a sweet body which she claimed were real (I am skeptical.) She said she had only worked there one week. She was not shy about exposing her breasts as she sat on my lap. She also worked her hand under my shorts and "Mr. Johnson" was very happy about that. So we got around to price and she said $50 for FS. I was ready to go so I agreed to that.

She wanted to keep the light off on the closet so I said okay. She got into doggie postion and we went at it hard. I have a hard time cumming in these closets and time was up. I told her I did not finish (I think she was dissapointed) so she immediately tries to remedy that with a hand job. But it did not work but I did appreciate her efforts. I probably should have bought more time with her but I wanted to move on to LB.

Well, never made it to LB because Cynthia locked on to me in Placers. Her big thing was ploppin hard in my lap. Since I was still in the locked and upright position, Mr. Johnson took a beating! My Johnson actually had a little bruise on his head the next day. She liked to grind on top of me and put my hands on her now bare breasts. So I after she worked so hard on me, I felt I had to get something with her. So I got a BJ from her which was not that great, but she was fun downstairs in the free area. She was okay looking but probably would not repeat. I was getting tired and had to drive back to Phoenix so never made it to LB. There is always a next time...

Borderguy
11-08-02, 09:11
Yes cabs are always around.Usually the bartender or the girl I was just with will stand in the street and hail one down for you.Nice people.
I think on my next Nogales adventure I'm going to rent a room in one of those hellish "hotel" flophouses that double as brothels and wait for a knock on the door from some girl staying there.

Daddy
11-12-02, 01:15
As far as the Conga, it was about 2-3 am, and I have a place in Nogales so I have some clue. Been down here about 12 years.

Just ask a local about the Conga?

Daddy
11-12-02, 09:22
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dave7427
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so over to Placers I went. The doorman said 3 dollar cover which I had never heard of there before. No way I was going to pay but before I could say anything he said, "I like your face so you can go for free just give me a tip when you leave." Sounds like a scam to me.

It's not really a scam, as the season has changed the bars are filling up and as that happens and seats become worth $3.00
The big guy at the door is just doing his job, he is told to charge.
But since he makes less than $8.00 per day, he could let 20% in with out any problem if he thinks he could make a few bucks.
If you were too stand out side for a moment you would see that he has a boss that is making eye movement to let you in or let you leave, but even though the big guy cant send you away on his own, He can let anyone he wants in the door? Strange but true. Just say Hey Joe how are you doing?, to the big guy with a tatoo of a tear drop below his eye. He will let you in for free and you can give him a tip on the way out.

If you go early you get in for free, but the Hot girls come in around 9-10pm thats just how it is, beauty has it's priviliage!


I can assure you of one thing, 2 bucks on the way out is really worth it! It is not about the cover. You need to remember that is not our country and we do not have any rights! When some punk is bothering you or if the soldiers come in with machine guns and mistake you for some Americal drug dealer, or some drug dealer drops his white powder at your table just as the lights go on for a drug search by the State police you bet that guy at the door that speaks perfect english could be your only help.

If you have not had the pleasure of being searched by 17 year old soldiers with a machine gun, wait you will see it!

You need to make a few friends, three will do it. tip the biggest guard, look for the sharpest waiter not waitress and tip for your drinks and tickets and these three will always be watching your American butt.

da_hunter
11-27-02, 17:38
Haven't seen any posts in here lately. Maybe Daddy's post made everyone too scared to go down. To be honest, I've never felt threaten down there. Maybe because I don't get drunk and keep pretty much to myself (with the exception of my transactions with the lovely ladies of Nogales) I've been to most of the clubs across the tracks and up to La Conga. I normally walk where ever I go and have only been bothered by the hawkers trying to get me to go to "their" club or date " their" women. I think for the most part we are appreciated down there (at least for our money) and you almost have to go out of your way (or be unaware or obnoxious) to get into serious trouble. I do tip however but not so much for protection as for what might be called special consideration. :-)

Adventurous1
11-29-02, 13:13
Any talk of needing to be protected by the doormen at the strip clubs in Nogie and powder being dumped on your table is just pure horses**t. I have been down there many times without any problems.

As long as you use some common sense and keep aware of your surroundings it is about the same as navigating any big city downtown atmosphere at night. '' Stay in lighted areas and walk with confidence, just as you would do if you were walking to your parked car 10 blocks south of Bank One Ballpark after a D-Backs game at night.

Most of the clubs are almost directly in the border area. Just walk across and then head to the left to cross the lines of traffic waiting to come into the U.S. from Mexico and across the railroad tracks and you will see Lord Blacks, Placers, Cherries, and the next street over is Lipsticks and Fernie's.

The doormen work for the clubs involved and their motivation is the pay they get from the owners to keep the club atmosphere's safe so us American Gringoes can spend our cash in their clubs. Just like any U.S. business, they want to keep things orderly and safe so the money keeps flowing.

Azrobert
11-29-02, 20:34
I agree.... I have been going to Nogales for many years now and have never had a problem other than leaving car unlocked and having things stolen (happens more in my driveway in north Phx!)
and drinking a little too much and having to pay an "escort" fee to the border from a concerned oficer (beats teh H#$% out of a DUI)

I have gotten to know many of the girls in the clubs and even had a few stay with me in Phx when they visit.

Bottom line is if you go and respect the fact that you are not in your country, act respectful towards others, and use common sence you will probably never have a problem past the street hawkers that usually just want to walk with you and collect the dollar they get from the club they "took" you to....

Jwny72
11-30-02, 04:49
Just returned to Tucson from Nogie. I went to Cherries, and after having a few beers and a few tequilas watching the stage show, I chose Leslie for a table dance. She's a petite, dark brown little thing with MASSIVE, all natural mams. Her table dance was so intimate and sexy that I decided I had to have a private dance. I had two ($22 a piece), and paid Leslie an additional $40, so it wasn't cheap. But it was great. She's a doll, and gave good, even enthusiastic service (some ball licking, then tit fucking, followed by covered BJ, then sex on the chair). I'd love to get her in a hotel room for an hour or more. The waiter/host who sold me my private dance tickets quoted me $100 for an hour in a hotel room, but it wasn't clear if that was an all inclusive charge or just the house fee. The language barrier prevented me from getting clarity, so I chose the private dances. Has anyone gone the route of paying the house for an hours hotel time with a dancer? Does one have to pay the girl as well? Thanks in advance for any info.

Jwny72
11-30-02, 05:07
I just wanted to add my two cents about the safety of Nogales. I believe it's as safe as any major US city, which isn't to say that there aren't dangers there. Just be smart. Don't flash big rolls of money. Be courteous, walk in well lit areas...just like you would anywhere else. Additional note: do be wary of the street hawkers who say they can get you girls, pills, whatever. I've had good luck being hooked up with "escorts", but I've also had it turn nasty when I didn't want anything a guy was offering. He seemed to think he was entitled to a tip even though I chose to pass on the woman he showed to me. I ended up having to give him $5 to avoid a fight.

Dinghy
11-30-02, 19:46
jwny - dropped $5 just to avoid a fight? were you inside or outside? Of course my sheer size tends to win arguments (6-2, 280) but I NEVER give anything to a tout because I didn't want their help in the first place. It's like if you are expected to tip if you walk into a club and don't see anything you like so you leave. Why should I tip for something I didn't get?

Nogie is pretty safe but can be a problem at certain times of the night in certain areas.

BTW - anyone who does drugs in Mexico will get just what they deserve in a mexican prison. Remember, you are guilty until proven innocent under their law.

Jwny72
12-02-02, 22:57
Originally posted by dinghy
jwny - dropped $5 just to avoid a fight? were you inside or outside? Of course my sheer size tends to win arguments (6-2, 280).

I was alone in the street outside a hotel. The same hotel he'd taken me to so I could check out "his" girls. It was a quiet weekday night and there wasn't anybody around at all. I tried to simply walk away several times, but he would place himself inbetween me and the direction I chose. I considered my options--1) slug him, 2) call for help, 3) give the fucker a measly $5 so he'd go away. I didn't get the sense he was after all my money. Since I didn't want to give the federales a reason to lock me up (ie, starting a fight), I gave the guy $5.

I'm 5'4", 160, pretty meek and mild really. I haven't been in a fight since I was in the 7th grade or something. Certain types can sense in me what they perceive to be weakness (in actuality it's an unwillingness to fight) and will prey on it. It happens rarely as I can usually talk my way out of misunderstandings.

That evening, I put myself in a position to be exploited by this character, and that's the only reason anything unseemly occurred. I wasn't cautious enough and followed him into questionable surroundings. I actually gave some serious consideration to punching the fucker in the mouth and then making a break for it. But $5 just didn't stack up against the possible negative outcomes from that choice (getting a knife pulled on me, or getting arrested in Mexico...). If I had the sense he wanted to take all of my money though, it would have been a different story.

da_hunter
12-03-02, 01:50
I've only used the street hawkers twice, once the guy took me around to different hotels and showed me women, none of whom I wanted to have anything to do with. After the third hotel, I said, "Let's just forget about it. Here's $5.00 for you trouble." It was no big deal. What's $5.00? The guy tried, it wasn't like he was ripping me off or anything. It's the same as when I call an escort and she shows up and doesn't look like anyone I would want to fuck even for free. I'll slide them a $20 for gas. No hard feelings, see ya later.
Incidentally, the other time I used a street hawker, it was at the hotel right around the corner from Cherry's. It paid off well. There is a dancer at Cherry's (She also works at another bar) who looks an awful lot like Selma Hayek. $65 for an hour and I gave him (the hawker) $10. Well worth it. I've seen a lot of dancers in and out of that hotel and the little place beside it. I started negotiating with a young and slender dancer at Cherry's and the manager (or someone who seemed in charge) said that for $100.00 she could leave for an hour and the room was included, but any charge the girl required wasn't included. I was really tempted (She was really tempting) but passed. About 15 minutes later, she left the bar, whether it was for me or for her break I don't know. But I went with her back to the little place next to the hotel around the corner ( I think it's like a dorm for dancers) bad thing was she couldn't find her key (She was really loaded) Both of us tried to pick the lock to know avail. Oh well, some days are like that. I've since gone back to the same hotel and asked the lady behind the glass on the 2nd floor, "¿Hay baillarenas aqui?" (Are there dancer's here) Everytime she has brought someone out. I've paid as little as $65 and was quoted as high as $100 for an hour ( I turned that one down, not because I didn't want to but because I was going to have to wait an hour and a half for her to get back from a club).

Borderguy
12-03-02, 03:15
da_hunter---
I've heard you mention this hotel by Cherry's before and have looked around for it once or twice,Is it on the street that Placer's and Lord Black's is on or is it on the parallel street where Lipstick's is? Thanks
I've also used the street leeches to show me different little hotels in the area.They have also introduced me to girls on the street who were available.Always tipped them a few bucks. Now I try my best to avoid those guys.

da_hunter
12-04-02, 07:12
The hotel is on the street where lipsticks is located. Right around the corner from Cherry's and directly across the street from an upstairs pool hall which (I think) is also called cherry's. In the front doors are steps leading upstairs. Dancers stay there and in the little place to the right of it. Sometimes you can find some real cuties (the same you'll find in the strip clubs) and have an hour in a room with a bed (not 10 minutes in a closet with a chair).

TucsonChief
12-06-02, 12:47
I've been to Nogales 4-5 times over the last year or so. From what I remember, Conga was way too far to walk.

I once got handcuffed and put in the backseat of a police car for carrying a bottle with me - which was stupid on my part - and had to pay the cops $50 on the spot to let me go. Sure beats spending the night in a Mexican jail (although that would be something to tell the grandkids about).

Another time I got in an alley brawl when 3 guys tried to jump 2 of us cornered in an alley while taking a leak at about 3 am. Anyone familiar with the main road that goes to Obsessions from the border might know the alley I'm talking about, it has buildings on 2 sides and a gate closing the throughway. My suggestion is to not take a leak in there late at night. I was lucky to escape with only one kick to the head and they cleaned the blood from my head at Rios (I think). I'm just glad the sonofabitch didn't have a knife.

From reading everyone's suggestions it seems the best plan is to enjoy a few beers/cheap dances at the clubs and then get a hotel room. You'll probably end up spending a little more but it beats getting beat in one of those closets for 10 minutes until some dude tells you you're time is up.

Daddy
12-09-02, 12:03
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adventurous1
[i]Any talk of needing to be protected by the doormen at the strip clubs in Nogie and powder being dumped on your table is just pure horses**t. I have been down there many times without any problems.

Wake up pal? they dont put anything on your table! Under the table, obviously you have never been in the clubs when the Military shakes EVERYONE in the Bar down with loaded Machine guns Believe what you want, the advise was free

Daddy
12-09-02, 12:18
Tomarow is the wake for "Yessy" or as we would say Jessy. Actualy his name was Jose. Jessy was 26 years old, Probably the most famous "Street Hawker" if you will, in Nogales.

I have known Yessy for 8 years, he was a good guy deep down inside. He is survived by his wife and two small children. Yessy never stole or took advantage of any American that wandered the streets looking for girls. For those that new Yessy, I dont really know how he died and we wont know for a while.

Nogales Mexico will not be the same without Yessy! God bless you my dear friend.

da_hunter
12-09-02, 20:20
I would say that La Conga is about 5 miles from the border which, depending on how much you're used to walking, may or may not be too far. I've taken cabs to and from there and I always ask before I get in if they can take me for $5.00. I've heard that other people have been charged more, but I think most drivers and riders would say $5.00 is fair. From reading the posts, I would say La Conga is the place to go but to be honest, I've never done anything there. I think it is because I go in the afternoon or early evening that there are usually only one or two girls and no one I would pay to sleep with. It sounds like the place only starts jumping later on. I'll let you know that I've struck out at the little hotels around Cherry's as well. The lady behind the glass has brought a girls, but I didn't see anyone I wanted. Anytime I've gone to Cherry's, I've always found a woman I wanted, I'm just not into the closets, but somehow those cute little chicas always seem to persuade me. :-) I sometimes stay away from there just because I know I'll be blowing my cash and my load too damn quick.

Borderguy
12-14-02, 08:41
Went to Nogales today early evening, 6:30-7:00. Stopped in Placer's first, place was pretty dead.I stupidly agreed to a private dance with 22yo girl after she curled up in my lap.Smoking young body.$22/2 songs, full nudity. But it was not even close to 2 songs. Plus she disfigured her perfect body by adding fake boobs, it was like fondling a mannequin.And she had a personality to match her wooden tits.She wanted $50 for a friggin BJ, don't think so.
Then took $5 cab to La Conga.Four girls were there, 2 gorditas who are always sitting at the bar and 2 very hot looking young girls sitting together at a far table playing Gameboy.I felt bad refusing the company of the older fat chicks,how can they make money competing with real cuties? Cute as any girl you'll find in Placers/Lord Blacks. The 2 young ones ignored me until one of the gorditas brought one of the girls over to my table. She said her name was Paula,or Mexican equivalent and she was 20 yo.Slender build,very cute face(but too much make-up).Very affectionate,smiles alot.She's only been in Nogales 15 days, she's from Hermosillo.One kid. Her friend was even hotter looking,full pouty lips,long curly hair.So I buy the girl a drink $5,then agree to 1/2 hour,$65 session.This is the first I've seen of the remodelling of the bar.The "rooms",actually 5 by 8 closets with just enough room for a small fold out couch, are right in the bar area.I'm sure everybody in the bar heard everything.I don't think they could have found a worse "bed",very uncomfortable. But she was very sweet, nice attitude, deep kisses, covered but nice BJ, switching around different positions,moaning loudly the whole time,whispering things in my ear that I couldn't understand. Soft real titties I feasted on.When I came she peppered me with kisses,held me tight,moaned convincingly.Her only physical flaw is some minor stretch marks on her stomach.
Next time I want to try her friend.

Adventurous1
12-15-02, 14:14
Originally posted by Daddy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adventurous1
[i]Any talk of needing to be protected by the doormen at the strip clubs in Nogie and powder being dumped on your table is just pure horses**t. I have been down there many times without any problems.

Wake up pal? they dont put anything on your table! Under the table, obviously you have never been in the clubs when the Military shakes EVERYONE in the Bar down with loaded Machine guns Believe what you want, the advise was free

---Well I can assure you that I am aware and have been going across the border the Nogales for 10 years now and have never encountered anything as you have described with machine guns and powder under the table. And when you refer to "shakes everyone" are you saying that everyone is robbed at gunpoint?



One thing about the internet is that anyone with a keyboard can type anything they want on any subject. I for one find it suspicous that this board or any of the others that track Nogie have ever mentioned anything as you have described. And I am sure that if any hobbyists here would have lived an experience similar to your description would have made it a point to expose it. You have only been posting here for a short period, made 9 posts and all of them are centered around your advice to tip the waiters and doormen for protection, hire bodyguards, and the like. When you were shaken down as I am assuming you were, did you post your experience here or on some other site?

But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to educate us here. Perhaps there is something here on the net that describes such behavior by the locals and evidently (the police or army?). A news site, a posting or postings by others, or some other description perhaps...

Borderguy
12-15-02, 14:59
I've never experienced the police swarming a bar in Nogales but I have seen it happen twice this year in nearby Agua Prieta.Four or five police came in with large guns visible,patted some people down then left.They didn't bother me,the only gringo in the bar,not sure what their motive was.Never seen this happen in Nogales where the clubs are far more"upscale", but I can believe it happens.I've always felt safe in Nogales but I make a point of minding my own business,limiting alcohol consumption.

Borderguy
12-15-02, 16:37
Adventurous1, the girl with the wooden tits I mentioned in previous post was Adrianna who you've also written about.We should hook up some time in Nogales and share war stories.I also live in Tucson.

El_Otro_Hijo
12-15-02, 23:16
Seems like there has been much information being posted on this forum and I thought I would add my two cents aswell. I have been going to Nogales for about 6 years and have never seen these shake downs. But have seen the police/operativo come into bars and search certain people down in Guaymas and Empalme, they have never bothered me, seems like they are always looking for something/someone specific. And also in a bar in Mexicali the police came in asking to see all the girls medical cards, I guess they have to get weekly exams to work.

I have had other experiences with police but they were more my stupidity, but have always been able to negotiate and get out of spending the night in jail. Negotiate means paying fines on site: drinking and driving $20 US, running red light 100pesos, wrongway on a one way street 30pesos and my latest last night for urination in public 200pesos + $20 US + $20 more that I can't be sure but suspect the cop stole from me. This last incident was the first time they actually frisked me and I had two 20 dollar bills and 200 pesos in my pocket but when they put everything on the hood of the police car there was only one twenty and the 200pesos. I know the cop (3 of them) pocketed a twenty before putting it on the hood. I was almost tempted to say something but it was 2am and I just wanted to come back across. Plus I had drank a bit to much to be a lawyer at that moment, but thinking back I should have asked them to just write me the ticket and I would go pay it myself, they don't do that though, the police pray on your ignorance of the law and fear. Also I don't really know what the fine for this is, maybe it would have cost more down at the commandancia in front of the judge.
This all occured outside of a bar called "Cordobes" which is about 6 or 7 miles from the border on Obregon ave. First time I had been in this bar and the two next to it, it is full of gorditas y transvestis. Some of them it is hard to tell the difference but they tell you right away because many get beat up by guys who didn't know what they were getting into. The lowest offer was150 pesos for mamada (bj) but this is not my cup of tea, I only posted it for others who may choose this lifestyle or are curious.

Daddy
12-17-02, 08:16
One thing about the internet is that anyone with a keyboard can type anything they want on any subject. I for one find it suspicous that this board or any of the others that track Nogie have ever mentioned anything as you have described.

If you dont like the advise do not read it! You dont even know what it means to "shake" someone down? you of all people should be careful. Ignorance can be just as deadly as stupidity!

Just because you have not seen somthing does not mean it does not happen??? You sound like Sean Penn (High school drop out) going to See Iraq for him self to see if our Comander and Cheif is telling the truth!

I was just at Placers last week when the State Police escorted by the Mexican Military entered with Locked and cocked HK's, (Sorry thats an automatic machine gun with a bullet in the chamber ready to fire) they turned off the music and turned on the lights. All girls were serched by female state police. Then everyone was serched and three American kids were lead out to be serched outside, I wondered if you were one of them? I guess not!

If you don't like the heat, dont play with matches? I find it more suspicious that you don't want to beleive my post. Almost if you did not want to alarm anyone to the truth for some reason? Or possibly this is your way of justifing to your self that you are completely safe in a third world country in ***** house's where you have absolutly no rights and a resonable chance of free unprotected sex if you get stay over night in one of the luxury cells in Nogales? It is nice of you to keep a count of my number of post's and my topics that is something I would never have thought of, actualy I dont know why someone would do that, but it is kind of you to do so.

m38
12-17-02, 13:19
Was in Noggie on a Sat PM. Went to Lord Black's, and outside the place, I was recommended this place about 2 blocks S of LB. It is next to a bar called "El Cubano", or something like that....
Met 24 yo Gabriela (?): about 5'7", nice figure, real nice personality, good conversation. 40 for 2h, no limit on level of activity, gave 20 tip after wonderful 2h of GFE w/her. To date, I still remember her, and will be going back.
I also tried the sw scene on Obregon around 7-10 pm, next 2 the school, to no avail for gd lkg mat'l.
Gd luck 2 every1 goin' 2 Noggie.

Saint
12-19-02, 06:46
I should first point out I have never read any posts in this section. I am just posting my observations of a very quick trip through Nogales. I was in Mexico visiting a girlfriend that I just broke up with. :(

I drove back to the USA. I was going to stop in Nogales for some action but I felt shitty and bad for breaking up and hurting her feelings. Any dude would jump at a chance to date a girl like this. Smart (graduate degree), pretty (even with no make up..and with make up looks a little like Daisy Fuentes). The whole package. So I tell myself I’m gonna hit a Casino instead. I’m in the mood for some Blackjack. Sometimes I crave playing BJ. I was determined to get some “BJ”.

I pass Nogales and of course as always it takes FOREVER going through the border. Traffic in Nogales is killer. A stretch of less than 5 miles takes almost 45 minutes to go through. I hate driving through that town! I pass the border and think about stopping. Especially after seeing the Rio’s sign (a strip club). I drive towards Tucson and hit the first Casino. I’m determined to win big at BJ. No dice. I get there and there is NO BJ tables!!!! I ask a lady if there are any more casinos. She tells me near Tucson there is. I head that way anyway to check into my hotel. I stop at Casino #2 (Casino del Sol). NO BJ Tables!!! I go to my hotel and pass a sign for another Casino near the airport. I drive by and ask a worker in the parking lot. NO BJ tables!!!! Crap!! Now I’m bummed. I reason that I’m gonna get a “BJ” if I can’t play BJ.

I check into my hotel and shower and change. I’m headed to Nogales!!! So I head to the border. It’s probably an hour ride but only takes me 40 minutes usually. I drive about 95 MPH. I hate driving slow. From the airport take Highway 19 South towards Nogales. It’s about 60 miles. It’s funny because all the signs that close to the border are in Kilometers. All the highway placards are in KM’s. Once you get to the border you’ll see a McDonalds on your left and a parking lot on the right. You can park in that parking lot. $4 US. They will give you a receipt. I arrived about 6 PM. Parked then walked into Mexico. I saw Rio’s first so I went there. It was a $3 US cover and it included the first drink. I was surprised because no one was hassling me on the street for “girls”. In fact, the first time I walked by the guy didn’t even stop me. I had to turn around when I realized I passed it.

I get upstairs and I’m disappointed by the talent. Most of the girls are too big for me and too old for me. Immediately an employee that spoke English asked me my type. I told him none of the girls here. He just laughed. Nice guy. I forget his name. There are NO Americans anywhere. Just locals drinking beer and watching the action. I only see one girl with a hot body but her face looks a little jacked up. MrBill who is a Nogales regular emailed me and told me to check out two girls. Here is what he wrote:

"1) Esthar or Estrella at Placer's. Motherfucking knockout!! Top five all time Nogie lookers, and I should know... Also very sweet. About the nicest all around natural bodies you'll find. Unless you don't like perfect, natural B/C-cups.

2) Morelia at Rio's (open daytime, too). Tightest body I've ever seen - anywhere or any time, no shit... About 5' tall, blonde, 24 y/o, TIGHT hardbody ass, all over TIGHT, toned body w/o being too muscular. 19" waist and about 5% body fat, no shit. Oh, unless you don't like perfect (no, I mean perfect) natural, beautiful A/B-cups.

Have fun, dude.

MrBill "

I made the notes and wrote it on a piece of paper. Well the girl with the hot body at Rio’s jumps on my lap. Her body is indeed hot. Her face is ok but it looks like she had bad acne or something when she was younger and had some scarring. Her body was tight though. When I asked her name she said, “Morelia”. Wait a second I thought to myself. That is the girl that MrBill told me about! I told her my friend recommended her. She didn’t believe me. Then I whip out the paper with her name on it that simply said, “Morelia – Rio’s *****”. She laughed so hard and was flattered! She kissed me right there on the spot. It was funny. So I get a private dance from her. $20 US for 2 songs.

We go back in the booth and it is TINY. Holy crap. Two chairs facing eachother and a door. I didn’t like this room. Too small and it smelled bad in it. She starts dancing. She takes off my shirt and unbuttons my jeans. She asks if I want anything else. I inquire if the BJ is covered or uncovered. She tells me covered. Damn. I tell her that I doubt I could finish in 2 songs with covered as I hate covered BJ’s. I ask the price and she quotes $30 US for a BJ. I do it. She is talented but my lack of interest in her face, the bad smell of the room, along with the uncomfortable chair and the hurried pace was not good. I didn’t finish and she wanted to do more time. I just told her I was fine. Her body was tight but I’m a big sucker for a pretty face and her face wasn’t all that great. Also, she was not clean shaved like I like. The other funny thing is that she dyes her hair blonde but she also dyes her pubic hair blonde!!! It was funny. It looks strange because it looked almost green because of a bad dye job.

The other girls sucked there so I move on to the next club. So far I am severely so NOT impressed with Nogales. Even TJ is a heaven compared to this place. I know it was Sunday but just didn’t like the set up of the rooms. I need a bed.

I encounter a dude on the street and asked him where Lord Black’s was. He takes me there. He spoke perfect English and told me he lived in California for 6 years. Told me he got deported. I asked how he got caught and he told me he got caught selling drugs and served 2 years in San Quinton. Yikes. Nice guy though. (Hang on..UWPhoto is calling my cellphone)..

Ok. Anyway, I get to Lord Black’s. Pay a $3 US cover that includes drink. Man..it’s dead! Girls that are there suck. I tell myself I’ll have one drink then leave. This American dude comes over to my table. It’s his first time in Nogi too. He spoke ZERO Spanish so was feeling a bit out of place he said. He was in Tucson on business and decided to drive down. He was bummed about Nogi too. We left and tried some other clubs.

We went next door to Placer’s. This had more action. Some of the girls were pretty. Still, more were bigger girls. Not fat but just bigger than I prefer. We saw a few hotties though. I can’t remember their names but my American friend got a dance downstairs with some girl that had a hot face. It was her first night. He didn’t want to pay the $23 US here for a private dance upstairs so he opted to pay the $9 US for downstairs. Meanwhile I made friends with 3 Mexican’s at the table next to mine. They were cracking up and surprised I spoke Spanish. They spoke ZERO English. My Spanish isn’t that great but I can understand a lot and communicate what I want to say now. I bought them a round of drinks because I noticed there weren’t drinking anymore beer. (I think they ran out of money). They kept pointing out girls but I kept telling them they were too fat.

Finally I see a hottie with a good body and petite. I forget her name but she was 18 years old. The staff at Placer’s was very nice. The manager was very nice and polite. I paid him the $23 + a $1 tip for the ticket. I asked ahead of time and the girl told me 15 minutes for me. The guys were telling me that is longer than normal and that she must like me. We get upstairs and this girl is HOT. She strips and starts sucking on my chest. I start sucking on her nipples and she is going crazy. We start deep French kissing and go non-stop. She was a great kisser. She takes off her top and bottom and I start playing with her. In Spanish I ask her “que quieres” (what do you want). She kept saying….”mas mas”. She started giving me a handjob and never brought up other services or tried selling me on things. I ask her how much for a blowjob and she starts throwing out prices I know is more than they normally charge. I think she thought I had tons of money since she saw me buying those Mexican dudes drinks. She wanted $50 US for a blow job and $80 US for sex. But there was no way I could have sex in that small uncomfortable little room. I settled for my 15 minutes of making out, sucking on her perfect chest and playing with her. We got downstairs and I regretted not doing it all with her. She was a hottie. We kept blowing kisses at one another downstairs.

The American dude wanted to leave. I think he was frustrated because he couldn’t understand anything. Even basic things like “como estas” (how are you). One girl was telling him how much she liked him and that she thought he was cute and that she might even dance downstairs for free but he just smiled and didn’t know what she was saying…ha, ha.

We tried going to many different places but many were closed because it was Sunday. The Mexican dudes asked if they could join us. I told them sure. We went to a few places and they all sucked. We decided to go back to Rio’s (the first place I was at). They remembered my name and welcomed me back. They didn’t charge me or my American friend a cover this time but I think they made the Mexicans pay.

There were a few cuties. Morelia was still there. The American dude got a few dances but he didn’t get anything besides dances. I told him about this site and told him to join up. He said he would. Everywhere I go I tell people about this site so hopefully they are joining up.

I walked across the border with my new American amigo and we said our good byes. I drove back to Tucson.

My impressions of Nogales is that it is disappointing compared to other places. I try not to compare it to other places would I will compare it to TJ which is another border town. TJ has a ton of girls and beds!!! The rooms are decent. Nogales prices seem more expensive than TJ. And in fact several girls told me they worked in TJ but came here for more money. Morelia said she makes much more in Nogi. I guess if I lived in Tucson I might hop over but no way in hell this place is worth visiting unless you are there for business. I still had fun but then again..i always do.

Adventurous1
12-19-02, 23:00
1)"You sound like Sean Penn (High school drop out) going to See Iraq for him self to see if our Comander and Cheif is telling the truth!"
---You might want to learn how to spell and speak fluent English before you attempt to label others here as sounding like high school dropouts. Your posts are on elementary grade level filled with numerous spelling and grammar errors and irrational arguments.
2) "It is nice of you to keep a count of my number of post's and my topics that is something I would never have thought of, actualy I dont know why someone would do that, but it is kind of you to do so"

--Of course the number of posts is listed directly below your name. If you ever DO think of it now you won’t have to count them all up either.

3) "If you dont like the advise do not read it! "

--- How would I know if I don't like the "advise" (I am assuming you mean "advice" here) if I didn't read it first? Here’s your chance to prove your intelligence level and actually provide us with an answer to my question.

---Okay enough about us. Let’s get back to your agenda. Which of course is that we, as American hobbyists should be worried about being framed for drug possession and jailed by the Mexican military and police in Nogales when we go to the clubs there to have a beer and enjoy the company of a beautiful woman. And your proposed solution for this is to tip the doormen and ticket sellers $2.

So this presumably would be a general description of the action as you have proposed:

Ranking Mexican military office: “OKAY, ATTENTION EVERYONE! ALL OF THE GRINGOES THAT TIPPED THE DOORMAN $2, STEP UP TO THE BAR AND HAVE A DRINK ON ME! THE REST OF YOU CHEAP AMERICAN %$#@& ers GET UP AGAINST THE WALL AND SPREAD ‘EM!!----Yeah right. Your assertion that IF these shakedowns do in fact exist, that you would be spared if you tipped the doorman is laughable.

But wait. You couldn’t even come up with any documentation of these shakedowns occurring in Nogales at all. Do you remember this from my last post? ----“I will give you the benefit of the doubt and ask you to educate us here. Perhaps there is something here on the net that describes such behavior by the locals and evidently (the police or army?). A news site, a posting or postings by others, or some other description perhaps...” ---

Nope. You could point to nothing. Also no one else has come forward either. Don’t you think that if these did in fact occur that there would be frequent descriptions of them in the posts on this and the other sites? Yet you can follow the posts for Nogie on this site and in the archives here way, way, back and no one has ever mentioned anything as you have described.

I will ask you again to give us some documentation other than your word to make us aware of this apparent danger. Let’s see if you can keep your eye on the ball this time…

Adventurous1
12-19-02, 23:29
Originally posted by Borderguy
Adventurous1, the girl with the wooden tits I mentioned in previous post was Adrianna who you've also written about.We should hook up some time in Nogales and share war stories.I also live in Tucson.

Sounds good. Should be down there again in mid to late January. I'll let you know as it gets closer. I had pretty good luck with Adrianna and enjoyed her but know what you mean about her "cons".

There was another dancer at Fernie's that had even bigger hoots and was the same approximate age and petite body type that had a better attitude. I visited her on and off for over a year before she apparently moved on.

Also wanted to say again for the record that Fernies and Lord Blacks and I'll bet others DO have rooms with BEDS that they rent by the hour for between $85 and $150 depending on the girl and the day of the week.

You don't have to do it in the closet if you don't want. Also there are a lot of dark corners in Lipsticks and other clubs that give a lot of privacy for very up close and personal laps with plenty of mileage for those between paycheck days...

Guero
12-23-02, 16:35
Greetings, all.

Not a lot of posts recently from you Nogales guys. This is my first post... I have been lurking here as an anonymous reader for quite some time, but recently had an experience I thought I'd share.

First off, I'm young, and had never been with a working girl before this weekend. I've been with a few girls, and had several long-term relationships...but nothing I'd describe as fulfilling. It is very obvious to me that even in a normal relationship, you must "pay to play". Whether it be your time or gifts that you must provide, experience is slowly teaching me that there is less of a difference between your average girl and a prostitute than I'd like. I don't want to get into the morality of prostitution, my real point is that I've personally reached a stage in my life where sexual matters are turning into shades of grey.

Saturday night, three of my friends and I decided that we'd hit Nogales for a bit of action. I agreed to go because I was chompin' at the bit to try something new, and hadn't been to Nogales before even though I went to college in S AZ. Two of the friends intended on partying, and we brought the other as a designated driver for the three of us that would be drinking. All of us are roughly college-age, so we intended to drink a lot.

We parked at the McDonalds in Nogales USA (I believe it is a 4 dollar parking fee...and the parking lot seems pretty damn safe) and walked across the border. When a street guy stopped us and suggested we follow him to Placers, nobody argued (particularly because I've read that it is good in this very forum).

So we get to Placers, pay the 12 dollars (3 dollars each for 4 of us...no free beer) and are directed to some nice seats in front of the stage (a round table, not seats right up against the stage in a row). It soon became obvious that we were the only white people at Placers, but that didn't bother me... I was more annoyed at the guy w/ the microphone...he insisted on getting into long conversations/jokes with the Mexican patrons. Although I took 5 years of Spanish in high school/college, I have retained very little of it, so everything the man said was gibberish. My point is that instead of constantly having girls on stage/dancing, they wasted an awful lot of time on other forms of entertainment, specifically stuff that wasn't interesting to us whiteys. While I was working on my third beer, one of the dancers came up and whispered in my ear that I should get a dance with her. Without even looking at her, I said no thanks and brushed away her resulting protest.

One of the girls at Placers was particularly striking. She had long brown hair, a gorgeous face, and very large and sumptuous natural breasts. She walked around w/ them hanging out, even when not dancing. Not all of the dancers at Placers got naked even when dancing, so that seemed unusual. One of my friends decided to get one of the other friends a dance w/ her. They disappeared into a corner, and she proceeded to seduce/rub her breasts all over him. By the time she suggested a private dance in the back room, he readily agreed. They disappeared into a back room, and she took his clothes off. He put his hands on the wall as if he was being frisked, and she kissed every part of his backside. She contorted herself so that she could kiss and play with his balls while he stood there, enjoying himself thoroughly. Eventually she began giving him a CBJ, which is all that he had wanted to begin with. Soon after this act started taking place, another dancer burst into the room. He could see that she had a customer waiting outside the room, trying not to be seen looking in. The two working girls said some things in spanish to each other, and then they both began to give him a CBJ, taking turns massaging, licking, and sucking his member. They did this for my friend for a few minutes, and then the intruder disappeared. Soon after, my friend came...the remaining dancer said nuts to the CBJ, took off his condom and licked his penis clean. (If she was gonna do that, why go covered in the first place?) I cannot remember that dancers name, but I think that he told me she was from Hermasillo. She's the gorgeous one that walks around with breasts hanging out at Placers, anyway ;) The whole episode cost him 84 dollars. This was for the initial dance (waste of time?) as well as double normal time in a back room, and a very interesting CBJ that he won't soon forget. He was definitely veryvery happy afterward. Anyway, I've seen others post that Placers is a bit pricey, and I'd have to agree.

We drank a bit more, watched some dancing... but I was eager to check out some of the other places...particularly Lord Black's. I've seen a lot of things posted about about that place in this forum, so I told my friends that we'd have to visit it. On the way, another street guy stopped us and happened to have some tickets to Lord Black's. I wasn't completely wasted yet and knew enough Spanish to talk with him a bit & get the tickets for LB's. We didn't pay cover, walked into LBs, and sat down in seats lined up against the stage. This place seemed much more Americanized. There were several whiteys in this place, and I believe they played Guns & Roses songs for as long as we were there. The girl that was dancing when we arrived was amazing. If I had a sack of nuts & had a few more beers in me, I might have asked my friends to approach her on my behalf (how pathetic does that sound? haha). Anyway, one of my other friends felt the same about that particular girl and decided that he'd get a dance. He went upstairs, and paid 44 dollars for a dance. She wouldn't do anything w/ him except grind and play with him a bit, and that wasn't what he had in mind. In his only past experience, he was able to get FS from a dancer at Lipstick while sitting at his table, and paid nothing. This LB's girl wanted something like 30 or 40 more to give him a CBJ (in addition to the 44 he'd already paid), so he wasn't going for it. He rushed downstairs, determined to make a big deal of his exit. He stopped by our chairs and demanded out loud that we leave now..."This place is bullshit!". I refused, saying that I had to finish my fifth beer. I asked him if he was going to be pissed for the rest of the night...but he said he was still enjoying himself...I think the problem is that his expectations are/were too high because of a fluke that he experienced in the past. He didn't get off that night, and didn't try again. We left as soon as I downed my beer...he was eager to go to another club, and was still pretty angry.

We left LB's and went to Lipstick. This is the place that the two friends I've spoken about so far have had great experiences w/ in the past. We each paid the 3 dollar cover, but at least this place came with a free beer. Not that I needed another beer =p We walked up and sat in seats lining the portion of the stage closest to the entrance, and scoped it out. This place was darker, and the bar is in an elevated position. Working girls sit up at the bar, waiting for customers. After finishing my sixth beer, my friends asked if they could have 40 bucks. I didn't bother asking "what for?" because I knew what was coming and thought it was pretty cool. Shortly thereafter, they returned with a dancer who took my hand and started leading me to one of the back rooms. My friends had chosed a good one. This girl was named "Estacia" (Stacey?) and had medium length brown hair w/ blonde highlights. She was between 18 and 22 years old (I'm still young enough to be able to narrow it down this far ;). She was somewhat petite (which is what I generally like) and had B/C size natural breasts. The breasts were nothing special as far as size/appearence goes...standard breasts you'd expect on a thin girl. She had a very fair complexion. Unfortunately, she spoke absolutely no english. We walked up the stairs and there was some confusion as to what room we were going to, so I stood rather awkwardly against the wall until I saw her beckoning from the proper portal a few moments later. I entered the room and sat down in what was apparantly a standard restaurant-type chair.

The room was perhaps 7x10, I really have no idea. Immediately upon sitting down, she had my belt unbuckled and was pulling little Guero out. She started giving me a BBBJ. She did that for about 5 minutes, and it was good...but it was clear that we weren't really getting anywhere in my drunken state. Her purpose was to just get me excited so that she could offer her other services...but even that took a long time because to my intoxication. In spanish, she started asking me what I wanted. I told her (as well as I could) in Spanish that I didn't know, whatever she felt like. So she started telling me the prices for various acts...I remember that she suggested 30 dollars for FS. I told her "lo siento, mis amigos pagan para mi, y no tengo dinero". Thats my bastardization of "I'm sorry, my friends paid for me, and I have no money". She went back to the BBBJ for a bit, then stood up. Before I knew it she had grabbed a condom that one of my friends gave her (a Trojan: Her Pleasure, just in case) and tore it open with her teeth. She placed the condom on my member w/ her mouth, and sucked a bit. She then grabbed my shoulders and impaled herself on me before I even knew what was going on. She started humping very rapidly while I caressed her body w/ my hands. She started french kissing me, but I didn't let her do that for too long. After a few more minutes I somehow managed to cum...which was actually quite strange because I wasn't very hard and didn't figure I'd be able to do so. It definitely wasn't a rocket-fueled cum, but welcome enough as it did serve to clean out the pipes.

She kept rubbing for an extra few minutes after I came, until she moaned a bit and stopped. Whether she kept going because she wanted to get off and managed to cum w/ my very deflated member inside her or whether she decided to fake an orgasm veryvery late in the game, I'll never know. She stood up and whipped the condom off and wrapped it up in some toilet paper from a toilet paper roll on the counter. In my drunkenness, I repeatedly apologized for my performance, stating that I had downed far too much beer. She poo-pooed the apology, so I felt better. We cleaned off, I whipped my pants back on, and she gave me a kiss before departing to who-knows-where. I joined my friends back in the seats at the stage, and downed my seventh beer. My friends told me that they had spent 52 bucks on that whole deal (40 of that 52 coming from what I gave them). When they chose her for me, they had only mentioned a BJ to her. Considering that it ended up being BBBJ/FS, I guess it worked out pretty well ;)

My third friend (the designated driver...haven't mentioned him at all) got a dance w/ one of the girls working there while I was in the backroom...but didn't get off and didn't seem all that excited. Then again, he was probably already hating himself for coming after realizing that he had to put up with our drunk asses all night.

We had arrived at about 10, and now it was 2:30 AM. We spent another 30 minutes walking around; two of my friends wanting to sample some tacos. The taco stands were closed, so they settled for some bacon-wrapped hotdogs. We walked back across the border w/ absolutely no hassle, and started the hour drive back to our hometown in S AZ.

As I said, this was my first time in Nogales, so I have a few lessons learned.

1) Do the dancer, THEN drink. The other way around don't work so well =p
2) Even though you naturally want to avoid the guys on the street, many of them have tickets that pay for cover at these establishments, so it is worth talking to them.
3) It seemed that it was a better idea to approach a dancer when she wasn't dancing, as opposed to asking for her right after her dance. They seem less inclined to let you bring the price down when they know that you are interested in them specifically.
4) Nogales doesn't seem all that dangerous. In fact, I felt pretty damn secure there.
5) If it's 2 AM and the Pharmacist is standing there talking to yunguns through a pulled-down protective gate w/ the lights off in the Pharmacy, it might be a good time to inquire about some choice medication =p


Placers was cool, but I liked the atmosphere at Lord Black's more and LB's seemed to have better/prettier dancers. Both Placers and LB's seemed to be more expensive than Lipstick. Of the three, Lipstick definitely impressed me the most. As I said, it treated my friends well in the past, and treated me well this Saturday. There didn't seem to be quite as many pretty girls as w/ the other two, but everybody still loved it. What I'll likely do next time is go to Lipstick and do my thing, and then hit Lord Blacks for some post-booty drinkin'(and maybe some other stuff should I not drink too much ;) Obviously I did overdo las cervezas this time. However, as you can see I do remember everything - including lots of detail...so the memories are safe.

I hope that some of you enjoyed my post, and that nobody was offended somehow. Feedback/patronizing BS/insults/advice are all welcome....

If anybody's down to hit Nogales sometime, lemme know ;)

-Guero

Adventurous1
12-25-02, 03:05
Guero - Good and informative post. Thanks...

Daddy
12-25-02, 12:47
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Adventurous1
“Your posts are on elementary grade level filled with numerous spelling and grammar errors and irrational arguments.” “Here’s your chance to prove your intelligence level and actually provide us with an answer to my question.” “ Hobbyists should be worried about being framed for drug possession and jailed by the Mexican military and police in Nogales” “ And your proposed solution for this is to tip the doormen and ticket sellers $2.”

Invidious 1, sorry Adventurous 1, You know my spelling? Looks as if I really got you
Heated??? Ha Ha! You want me to provide proof that it is not safe to go to ***** houses in third world countries? You are an ignorant fool my friend! You have a big mouth and big ball’s so I think you will eventually get your proof first hand big man!

I see by your posts your own intelligence or lack of? I also see a bafflement in your financial world, and some real sexual and general character issues that I am sure you are continually battling. I noticed your last post ???

“You don't have to do it in the closet if you don't want. Also there are a lot of dark corners in Lipsticks and other clubs that give a lot of privacy for very up close and personal laps with plenty of mileage for those between paycheck days...”

I don’t know if you can afford therapy or not, I suppose you don’t have Medical coverage since you can not afford $2.00 to tip the doorman or even pay a cover charge?

You are a fool to belittle a man for giving his opinion and advise, your ignorance is overwhelming! I am sorry that I don’t have more time to spend in your little world, I would be so interested to know more about you? That would really be interesting! Maybe you are a rocket scientist? And have girls standing in line to ride in your corvette!

I will probably see you in a dark corner in or out of the “closet” with a “high” mileage ***** getting your “personal laps” maybe I will buy you a drink between your “paycheck days”

Merry Christmas Adventurous One!

Flashman
12-25-02, 21:44
Hey Guero,

Great post, especially for your first one. Sounds like you and your buddies had a good time.

I heard that there is a mp on the usa side of the border in nogales. Any one out there with a report?

Daddy
12-26-02, 11:25
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guero
[i]Greetings, all.

Very informative post with excellent detail. I got flamed pretty good on my first post trying to give advise, so I will just make some comments that you can ponder or forget.
First off the ticket game should be over soon, this is only to off set the poor economy and the guys that just want to sip a beer all night. You are the type of customer they want! If you tell the doorman you and your buddies are going to lay out some cash (and you did!) and you will tip him on the way out if the club is good, you and your pals will walk right in! If not I will meet you there the next time and pay your cover. Generally you should go directly to the club without the street boy. Here is the deal, the boy get $1.00 for every Gringo he brings?? So in general you will pay a cover to get in…. You were the exception. Also when you tip a doorman a buck it is a big deal and he remembers you!

Your comment about the guy with the microphone was very important, so important that I relayed that comment to the General Manager and to the guy that was talking! Your input was greatly appreciated buy the management. Even though I understand the jokes, I also don’t like the interruptions. Please remember they want you and I in there clubs.

“took off his condom and licked his penis clean. (If she was gonna do that, why go covered in the first place?)”

Good question! Ask your pal? Aylen was the girl and she remembers him! She thinks your buddy started to fantasize when she started his cbj or he just likes to exaggerate! Security does not allow anyone to be standing around and Aylen say’s even if she did like the taste she would never take the risk???

LB and PL are owned by the same dude, prices should be the same…. Look out for these discrepancies, someone may be trying to get an extra buck!

As far as the problem in LB, it is best to pick one “Boletero” or ticket salesman that speaks English and inquire. Tipping the Boletero will do several things for you:
1. He will tell you if she is on the rag? Very important fact that you don’t know.
2. He will defend you in any problem that can and does arise.
3. He will often give you two for one prices.
4. He can negotiate everything before you go back w/girl.

I am truly impressed with your detail in you posts outside of your pal’s story of the double team bbbj your posts are extremely accurate right down to the fine details of how Estacia wraps the condom!!! Very Good Detail, Try Fernnies next time, it is right next to Lipstick and one step up without the prices of PL/LB
Good luck!

Daddy
12-26-02, 11:27
Originally posted by flashman
Hey Guero,

I heard that there is a mp on the usa side of the border in nogales. Any one out there with a report?

Changed personel, only by appointment and closes at 10:30
I will check the newbie out and advise

Guero
12-26-02, 20:29
Flashman/Adventurous1:

Thanks for your responses, I do appreciate it.

Daddy:

Thanks for your lengthy post.... also, thanks for the less hostile tone. Your recent correspondence w/ Adventurous1 hasn't been very exciting to read, I hope the two of you get over your spat soon, you both seem cool enough ;)

I was distressed that you refuted my pals claims! Looking back, I should have not gone into such detail w/ what he told me happened. I was looking to do an accurate report; he may have been looking to impress me rather than provide accurate info. I thought the report would be as "whole" as possible if I interviewed him about his experience....but in the future, I won't post anything tooooo specific about the experiences of my friends, because the accuracy can be questioned. Prices and basics for the friends experiences only ;)

I just called my friend....he didn't remember if the girl's name was Aylen, but he did tell me that she was from Ciudad Obregon....so if Aylen is from there, it is possible that we are talking about the same girl. He didn't want to discuss it at the moment, so I still don't know if he was exaggerating/lying to me, or if Aylen was lying to you (perhaps because she doesn't want to get in trouble/regrets it/doesn't want to do the same for you) ;) Anyway, I will see him later tonight and ask him about it (confront him w/ your accusations!) I'll let you know if you're right and if he changes his tune. If he maintains that it did happen, I'd definitely have to trust him, though....

Thanks for the advice that you also offered, and in the future I think that I'll try Fernnies if my friends are cooperating.

-Guero

PS - According to my understanding of what happened, it was a double team CBJ (not BBBJ as per your note below)...the BBBJ wasn't until after he came & after the other dancer left.


Originally posted by Daddy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guero
[i]Greetings, all.

Very informative post with excellent detail. I got flamed pretty good on my first post trying to give advise, so I will just make some comments that you can ponder or forget.
First off the ticket game should be over soon, this is only to off set the poor economy and the guys that just want to sip a beer all night. You are the type of customer they want! If you tell the doorman you and your buddies are going to lay out some cash (and you did!) and you will tip him on the way out if the club is good, you and your pals will walk right in! If not I will meet you there the next time and pay your cover. Generally you should go directly to the club without the street boy. Here is the deal, the boy get $1.00 for every Gringo he brings?? So in general you will pay a cover to get in…. You were the exception. Also when you tip a doorman a buck it is a big deal and he remembers you!

Your comment about the guy with the microphone was very important, so important that I relayed that comment to the General Manager and to the guy that was talking! Your input was greatly appreciated buy the management. Even though I understand the jokes, I also don’t like the interruptions. Please remember they want you and I in there clubs.

“took off his condom and licked his penis clean. (If she was gonna do that, why go covered in the first place?)”

Good question! Ask your pal? Aylen was the girl and she remembers him! She thinks your buddy started to fantasize when she started his cbj or he just likes to exaggerate! Security does not allow anyone to be standing around and Aylen say’s even if she did like the taste she would never take the risk???

LB and PL are owned by the same dude, prices should be the same…. Look out for these discrepancies, someone may be trying to get an extra buck!

As far as the problem in LB, it is best to pick one “Boletero” or ticket salesman that speaks English and inquire. Tipping the Boletero will do several things for you:
1. He will tell you if she is on the rag? Very important fact that you don’t know.
2. He will defend you in any problem that can and does arise.
3. He will often give you two for one prices.
4. He can negotiate everything before you go back w/girl.

I am truly impressed with your detail in you posts outside of your pal’s story of the double team bbbj your posts are extremely accurate right down to the fine details of how Estacia wraps the condom!!! Very Good Detail, Try Fernnies next time, it is right next to Lipstick and one step up without the prices of PL/LB
Good luck!

Mystic Pimp
12-27-02, 00:26
Hello out there...to "Guero" ... your comment on "sexual matters are turning into shades of grey" I think is pretty good and at least for me helps me justify my pursuit in this "hobby" thing.

As far as Nogales goes, I would like to visit La Conga at some point in 2003 (assuming I can't get lucky w/ the pussy in the USA). I like going down to the strip clubs there, but if I was looking to get some FS down in Nogales, I don't want it to be 5 minutes or less in a booth. If there are any other brothels down there, that's what I'd be interested in, and I would use one of the strip clubs as a warmup.

My experiences in Nogales strip clubs have been limited...I remember the last time I was there I was at Lord Black (I think? I can't remember) and I ended up in a booth w/ this chick who didn't give me ANY extras. It sucked. Granted, my friend paid for me to get in there, and I didn't have much $$$ on me, but I got more hanky panky just on the floor from other girls. Well, that's about all I regret about the last time I was there (not having enough $$$ for more fun) but I will try to go back this coming year.

One of my friends says I need to find a way to go to Juarez sometime, cuz I would have more fun there than in Nogales. He says it's mostly *****houses there anyway in Juarez...if that's what I really want. Well, that's about all I have to say about Mexico for now.

Guero
12-27-02, 07:43
Thank you for your words, NotoriousPoppa.

Well Daddy, I talked to my friend. He swears up and down that what he said was true.... as I said in my last post (if it ever goes through and appears in the forum) I suspect that either you've got the wrong girl or that she's not telling you the truth for one reason or another. As I said, he is young, strong, fresh... I could easily envision the dancers going beyond the call of duty for him...

Either way, you've changed my mind....in the future I won't post a friend's specific experiences (beyond price/basics), just because I can't know for sure and would definitely like to be as objective/accurate as possible ;)

I hope to convince a few friends to accompany me again within the next few weeks... another long and detailed report will surely be forthcoming should that happen.

Thx again,

-Guero

da_hunter
12-27-02, 19:20
Originally posted by Guero
I suspect that either you've got the wrong girl or that she's not telling you the truth for one reason or another.



Guero, I wouldn't worry about Daddy. looking at the responses to his posts, I think of the people who post in this forum, there are many more than just me and Adventurous One who think he's full of shit.

Guero
12-28-02, 13:57
well guys, i managed to collect some friends and hit nogi again this friday night.

a friend and i downed a bottle of absinth (don't ask, don't tell...i leave off the tailing 'e' because it wasn't french) and i convinced him to accompany me to nogales. we also picked up a designated driver (wooohooo, two in a row). some of the herbs in absinth are aphrodisiacs, so we definitely didn't have "beer dick" this time, even though absinth is also quite alcoholic ;)

i took daddy's advice and went to ferni's first... we arrived (paid no cover) and sat in the southeast portion of the bar. they seemed to play a lot of spanish music, although there was some american music also. there weren't many (any?) white people there. there were several very good dancers, and i was quite turned on by a few of them (which is unusual...usually the dancing itself doesn't do it for me). my friends suddenly turned to me and said that they had gotten me a table dance. i was not pleased, saying that the only thing i wanted was a private dance (i am inexperienced and as such don't want to waste time with table dances...yet...i can see how they would be good in determining what a dancer might do for you later and for how much....in the future, i believe i will go with a table dance first). because of my unhappiness at being signed up for something i didn't want, my friend was a sport and took the table dance for himself (fell on his blade for me!). it was the cutest girl there - a very young brunette with tons of energy...however, i was very concerned that a young energetic vixen like that would take me for everything that i was worth should i request a private dance w/ her. looking back, i should have taken the opportunity...even if she did take me for everything i had, it would have been better than what i ended up with, and maybe even cheaper (we'll get to that). i was definitely unimpressed with the private rooms at fernis - they appeared to be protected only by drapes, rather than locked doors. i like some privacy, or at least the illusion of it.

after about 30 minutes, my friend and i both agreed we'd hit lipstick again. when we got there, we took a seat about halfway up the northern part of the room, at a table rather than at the bar. we had to pay a 3 dollar cover, but received 3 gratuitous drinks. i wasn't eager to drink too much (the absinth was enough for me) so the beers sat unsipped on our table for quite some time. my friends started asking me what i wanted to do, so i semi-jokingly asked if "estacia" was in. they immediately asked a waitress before i changed my mind, but the waitress had no idea who we were inquiring about. she quickly left, and came back w/ estacia. estacia is of course the first mexican prositute i was with (see my first post from a week/few days ago) and here i was with her again....well, i did have a great time with her the first time, i figured this time would be better, maybe even cheaper!

my friend gave her 21 bucks for the room, and 35 bucks for a bj. estacia started right out with the bbbj and went at it for quite some time. to be honest, i most definitely could have cum right then and given her a little present across her face before she knew what was going on...i don't make a scene when i cum, nor is it very obvious when i am about to do so. i wasn't ready yet, though... i made yet another stupid mistake and asked her what it would cost for "todos". she said that she wanted 100 dollars for fs. (in my last post - i got fs w/ estacia for 52 dollars, *including* the cost of the room). i was surprised, but still wanted to get it over with, so i indicated that i only had 60 dollars (i don't even want to know what my mistake count is up to right now). she had given me a bbbj for a long time, so as soon as she got the condom on for the 60 dollar fs, our time was up (blarrghghghghghghgh).

i indicated that i didn't have any money for another stretch of time, but my friends still had money, so they paid another 21 dollars. she mounted me and had at it...this time it was much better than the last, since i didn't have "beer dick". absinth did not curtail my hardness at all, and as a result this time i noticed that estacia has extremely large, hard nipples. it is quite probable that she was not turned on at all the first time i was with her, considering how drunk and flaccid i was at the time. anyway, she went at it for awhile, and i came. again, she kept going after i came (see last post...i didn't know why she did that then...but i believe i do now). i am almost certain that estacia is either so loose that she cannot feel when a guy comes inside her, or that i really am a meek son-of-a-*****, and she really had no idea that i came at all. i know that this sounds like i must be a real 2 inch mofo for her not to know, but i do have 7 inches, and as i said before, i make no noise/no scene when i cum. anyway, i won't defend myself, i know all you older guys would trade your shlongs and age for mine in a second ;) back to the point...she kept going even after i came. in fact, she stood up to change positions and the condom came off inside her! she stood up, pulled it out, threw it in the trash, and put another one on me (luckily i had brought two). i am still a young man, so i was hard again by the time she put the second condom on. she put the second one on and started riding me backward (with her butt toward me). a few minutes into that, the lights came on, and i heard the dreaded knock at the door. at that point i was ready to go (even though i could have cum within another few minutes, for sure), and decided to leave.

anyway, my past experience w/ estacia had been 52 dollars for fs, and this experience ended up being 130-140 dollars for fs....which i know is crazy! i am not much of a haggler, and am very much an idiot, i know. i'm sorry to all those who are affected by morons like me dropping cash like that (this means all of you).

we left lipstick and hit the street. one of my friends started talking to a local, inquiring about percaset (sorry if i mispell this). the fellow said "sure, follow me", and led us south along the street that lipstick/ferni's is on. after a few hundred meters we started to walk east up a hill, and la policia pulled up beside us. they talked to him a bit, he talked to them. he said to us "they need 20 dollars, or they will take us all to jail". i wasn't very happy to hear that, to say the least. one of my friends said "oh no, in that case we will go back to our house", in english. i told them in spanish that i was sorry and didn't have 20 dollars - i had spent it all at the clubs (which unfortunately was true!). the police drove off, yet for some reason my friend still stuck with this guy. we followed him to a pharmacy very near the border, where he disappeared into a building while i chilled outside. he came back after nearly 30 minutes (he had to wait a very long time for change, and got screwed out of 20 dollars during the transaction, of course). we made it across the border w/o any problem, even stopping to talk to the border guards, go up the elevator and walk along the structure on the border in order to find a bathroom and take a leak.

as i am typing this, i can hear my friend throwing up in the bathroom. he took two of the so-called percasets (he didn't recognize the shape, so is unsure of what they actually are). i think it is pretty clear that they aren't legit...the absinth has worn off, and he didn't drink any alcohol across the border, and isn't looking so great right now. anyway, my point is that my friend is paying for it now.... i suspect he'll throw the rest of the pills away ;)

although i did enjoy myself, this experience was vastly inferior to my last one. i missed opportunities (i.e. the girls i really dug at ferni's), and was an extraordinary idiot and overpaid for the service i received at lipstick.



lessons learned:

1) if you're going to let your friends set you up, don't let them pay for anything except for the private dance/room. negotiate all "extras" yourself with the dancer. at the least, that would have saved me ~40 dollars. i already knew this from reading this group's posts, but my friends didn't, and i wasn't bright enough to inform them of this in advance.

2) don't be an idiot like me and never tell the dancer exactly how much money you have / be more agressive in negotiating a price. i wimped it out...i know, i know.

3) don't do the same dancer twice. what's the point? you've already had her ;)

4) i'm an idiot, and probably shouldn't post any reports that reflect badly upon myself in the future =p

5) make sure you know what the prescription drug you want looks like before you buy it, haha



as of right now, i don't plan on going to nogi again for a veryvery long time... the majority of my curiosity has been satisfied (also the friends of mine who are interested in this sort of thing were only visiting for the holidays anyway) ;)

although i doubt i'll be posting another report for a long time, i will still be lurking on this board (and responding to messages directed at me).

take care, and enjoy your pursuits!

-guero

Adventurous1
12-28-02, 17:43
Daddy - Well I'm sure that others here are tired of hearing about our lack of respect for each other so let's just boil it down again to the subject about which we disagree.

I will give you a 3rd chance to provide some documentation other than your own word on why we all should worry about being shaken down, framed, and jailed for drug possession by the local police and Mexican military if we don't tip the doorman $2.

Let's see if you can do it this time...

Borderguy
12-28-02, 20:10
Daddy knows best,
He's clearly far more familiar with the clubs and the local scene than most of us here.This is a corrupt border city where I am watchful of both the police and potential thugs.Guero,below,mentions some sort of $20 police shakedown.I've seen the police sweep into clubs,guns drawn in other border towns.I've been shaken down by corrupt cabbies.I say heed Daddy's advice, always watch your back,be respectful,tip when treated well.A little common sense is all you need ,no reason for fear hysteria though.
I've never seen anything really nasty go down but I don't doubt it occurs.Most of my prowling is in the late afternoon/early evenings.I've never tipped the doorman at the clubs but I always tip the waiter a buck. But these clubs are rip-off joints anyway for the most part.How about some reports of non-club mongering in Nogales?
Peace and more pussy for all in 2003!

da_hunter
12-28-02, 21:00
When he first mentioned needing a bodyguard at La Conga (something I have never read anyone else post in here and never felt myself), I thought maybe he was just someone who was more nervous than most. But when he started going on about tipping the waiters to protect you when the police plant drugs on you or how he has told the management at the clubs of the comments he has read here, I started assuming that either he is totally full of shit, or that he has an interest in one of the clubs of Nogales (or maybe more than one, I've been told a lot are owned by one man). Keeping alert, treating people well, not getting too loaded, I would say is all a matter of common sense. The fact that there is corruption in Mexican Law Enforcement is common knowledge. He seems to know a lot about a lot of the people who work in and around the clubs, that coupled with his strange sentence syntax and poor english (no offense) , lead me to believe that he is someone posing as a hobbyist but is actually trying to steer people away from La Conga and to certain clubs. I may be wrong. I'm not trying to put him down personally. But when someone posts something that no one else has experienced, (and people in here have gone to La Conga enough to have a worthy opinion), there has to be a reason behind it.

Guero
12-29-02, 03:03
An update to my last post/report....I found out what kind of prescription drug it is that my friend ended up with. Glyburide. I discovered this by noting that the pill had "BM/EU" on it, rather than the "Percoset/DuPont" that exists on legitamite pills. Some Mexican diabetic must have made quite a bit of money pawning off his medication on my friend ;)

My friend has tried Percoset before, and knew after ingesting them that something was wrong.... unfortunately he is the kind of guy who would say "Oh, you have Percoset?" and pop it in his mouth at a party without even thinking to inspect the pill. It's probably pretty evident to you guys that my friends make even me look good ;)

Also, as far as the 20 dollar police Shakedown that I went through last night (Borderguy referts to this in his last post), you must remember that I did get away w/o paying 20 dollars or spending a night in jail, so I'm inclined to agree that there is no need for fear or hysteria.... we never got unruly with the police and I was very polite in my refusal to pay the fine, so we got away w/o incident. I maintain that Nogales is pretty safe....and I don't intend on ever hiring any bodyguards (though admittedly I probably wouldn't go mongering/clubbing without a few pals).

For now, my friends and I are stupid kids goin' around gettin' ripped off in Nogales. In the future, we'll be wiser. You live, you learn!

-Guero

Borderguy
12-29-02, 08:12
Listen,I would let my 90 year old grandfather hobble into Nogales (before nightfall).i see elderly Americn people walking around all the time. Nogales is a safe place in my experience
I've walked to and from La Conga after sunset,never been bothered.Would'nt suggest it to everyone, becauuse there is risk in every activity, whatever side of the border. If someone posts fear-mongering messages on this board,accept the warning and don't discontinue your adventures because of somebody elses bad experiences.
However I still meet Americans who expect Mexican LE to bail them out of their bad behavior. WRONG!

Mystic Pimp
12-30-02, 21:24
I think in general people should have common sense, don't go talking shit or starting trouble with the locals, and you should be fine.

Daddy
01-01-03, 09:54
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Borderguy
[i]Daddy knows best,
He's clearly far more familiar with the clubs and the local scene than most of us here.This is a corrupt border city where I am watchful of both the police and potential thugs. How about some reports of non-club mongering in Nogales?

It is good to hear from someone that actualy spends time in Mexico. For the boys that think I am full of shit, I can only smile.

I would be happy to meet you in Mexico most any day, I am in the bars most every day 6 out 7. I can give you phone#s and names of private girls or I can call them to the bar and you can check them out. I dont profit from any of this, I don't need an extra buck. I am lucky enough and worked my ass off long enough that I can afford this expensive hobby with out needing to profit from it.

Good luck!

Daddy
01-01-03, 10:49
[QUOTE]Originally posted by da_hunter
I started assuming that either he is totally full of shit, or that he has an interest in one of the clubs of Nogales (or maybe more than one, I've been told a lot are owned by one man).

I have no financial interest in the clubs in Mexico. My company does have an office in Nogales Mexico but it is in no way related.
Rio's and Cherry's up stares are owned by one guy, and his father ownes Lipsticks and Cherry's down stairs. They also own several other bars in Nogales. They are good hard working people always eager to please the Customer. Fernnies is owned by a very powerfull man that I dont know and will not comment on other that he closes his bars when he wants, not when the Law wants. If you think you have the ball's I will take you to one that starts to fill up at 4:00am and does not close. You enter through a 4 foot tall steel door and must pass through the guards. Placers and Blacks are owned by a Hard working young Business man from Spain that started his career by selling bed sheets door to door. He also owns many more through out the state of Sonora. Actually Blacks has several Partners for the Nogales opperation. So according to you I am full of shit! No problem, life is to short to sweat the small things.

As far as my english sorry.... Cant help it. I have a BSBA and a MBA. My secretary does most all typing with out errors and she has no formal education? There is a disorders that make spelling dificulct, actually I dont see the connection in poor spelling and owning a bar? As far as the Conga, knock your self out! actually if you go there enough someone will knock you out! I dont need to prove this, someone will post or you will find out on your own.

Possibly the problem here is that I am not a Hobbyist. I work hard in the day and Play hard in the night, its more of a lifestyle that a Hobby?

Good Luck.

Daddy
01-01-03, 10:54
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NotoriousPoppa
[i]I think in general people should have common sense, don't go talking shit or starting trouble with the locals, and you should be fine

Well put Papa, I think you may be savvy! I see you said "You should be fine" not "You will be fine" I will agree with your statement in the general text.

Good Luck!

Daddy
01-01-03, 11:07
Originally posted by Borderguy
Listen,I would let my 90 year old grandfather hobble into Nogales (before nightfall).i see elderly Americn people walking around all the time. Nogales is a safe place in my experience
I've walked to and from La Conga after sunset,never been bothered.Would'nt suggest it to everyone, becauuse there is risk in every activity, whatever side of the border. If someone posts fear-mongering messages on this board,accept the warning and don't discontinue your adventures because of somebody elses bad experiences.
However I still meet Americans who expect Mexican LE to bail them out of their bad behavior. WRONG!

Good post, I have taken my 90 year old Grand mother (actually 89 at the time) to Nogales (Before Nightfall) Further more I agree all of your post. I share my knowledge and dont want to damper any adventure. To those that insist on denial and do not want to Heed the warnings??? Extra good luck

Daddy
01-01-03, 11:18
Originally posted by Guero
[For now, my friends and I are stupid kids goin' around gettin' ripped off in Nogales. In the future, we'll be wiser. You live, you learn!

-Guero [/i]

You seem like a good kid, I just got a 23 year old guy out of Mexican Jail 6 months ago for Having that very perscription drug W/O a perscription! MEXICO IS NOT FOR DRUGS! it is for Pussy!

Nogales DOES have undercover police just for that crap all around the bars. And NO! I will not prove it Adventurious One, if you dont believe me...... Live and let learn

Good Luck

Daddy
01-01-03, 11:21
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Daddy
01-01-03, 11:31
Originally posted by da_hunter
Guero, I wouldn't worry about Daddy. looking at the responses to his posts, I think of the people who post in this forum, there are many more than just me and Adventurous One who think he's full of shit.

Actually I dont give a shit if see takes it up the ass! She is the one pissed off, not me! Three of the girls that work at Placers read and write english, and two of them are American? They all live in the same apartment complex and read the post themselves? These girls are not shy at all. Why dont you just come over to her apt with me and she can tell you directly. hell bring the Adventurious one as well, it will be interesting.

Daddy
01-01-03, 11:41
Originally posted by Guero
Thank you for your words, NotoriousPoppa.

Well Daddy, I talked to my friend. He swears up and down that what he said was true.... as I said in my last post (if it ever goes through and appears in the forum) I suspect that either you've got the wrong girl or that she's not telling you the truth for one reason or another. As I said, he is young, strong, fresh... I could easily envision the dancers going beyond the call of duty for him...

Either way, you've changed my mind....in the future I won't post a friend's specific experiences (beyond price/basics), just because I can't know for sure and would definitely like to be as objective/accurate as possible ;)

I hope to convince a few friends to accompany me again within the next few weeks... another long and detailed report will surely be forthcoming should that happen.

Thx again,


No, she said your post decribes her very well. She would like to see your friend again. She will buy lunch! She will be back at work on 01/07/03

Thanks

-Guero

Daddy
01-01-03, 11:50
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Guero
[i]Flashman/Adventurous1:

Thanks for your responses, I do appreciate it.

I was distressed that you refuted my pals claims! Looking back, I should have not gone into such detail w/ what he told me happened.

Actually the girls got a kick out of your post, they could not believe the detail. They think you are a writer? Are you?

True or not it was very good reading material, and written like a pro. A few of the girls would like to meet you out side the club.
Most of these girls are very isavvy. They know if you have a good time with them your posts will bring them $$$$$$$$

Let me know

Guero
01-01-03, 20:51
haha, unfortunately my friend is now in the Dominican Republic for a few months....in fact, he might not come back ;)

I hope he samples some of the locals (even though his girlfriend is with him) so he can tell me what they're like....

-Guero



Originally posted by Daddy
No, she said your post decribes her very well. She would like to see your friend again. She will buy lunch! She will be back at work on 01/07/03

Guero
01-01-03, 21:14
Daddy:

Isn't it very easy to get a prescription, though? Given a bit more time, couldn't somebody just visit a Mexican doctor and get one almost immediately? I don't know, I've never tried it...I don't need viagra yet, and I don't take pills ;) My friend (the one who was interested in the pills to begin with) might be interested in knowing about a more legitamite way to obtain his poison, though....

I am not a writer... I do enjoy writing, though. If I went down more often, you'd better believe I'd have a novel posted on this board in no time ;)

Although I would love to hang out with the girls down there, I don't see myself going down again anytime soon... I need to find more people to accompany me... I'm not the type to go it alone (yet). The friends who are willing to go down were just visiting for the holidays....

-Guero

PS - Did anybody get laid in Nogales for New Years? Post it!


Originally posted by Daddy
You seem like a good kid, I just got a 23 year old guy out of Mexican Jail 6 months ago for Having that very perscription drug W/O a perscription! MEXICO IS NOT FOR DRUGS! it is for Pussy!

Nogales DOES have undercover police just for that crap all around the bars. And NO! I will not prove it Adventurious One, if you dont believe me...... Live and let learn


Actually the girls got a kick out of your post, they could not believe the detail. They think you are a writer? Are you?

True or not it was very good reading material, and written like a pro. A few of the girls would like to meet you out side the club.
Most of these girls are very isavvy. They know if you have a good time with them your posts will bring them $$$$$$$$

Let me know

da_hunter
01-01-03, 21:21
Originally posted by Daddy
actually I dont see the connection in poor spelling and owning a bar?[/i]The connection is that I am assuming that English is your second language and you are a citizen of Mexico. But, that aside, our main disagreement is the question of how safe Nogales and La Conga are. Hopefully I won't find out that your are correct in this matter. I don't think I will since, as I have said before, I normally go down in late afternoon, don't get drunk and pretty much keep to myself. I acknowledge the fact that you seem to have a thorough knowledge of the border scene in Nogales, and it would be a shame to waste such a resource on a disagreement that I don't think will concern me anyhow (As for La Conga, I go down too early and have never seen any women I wanted to be with there) So I will just pose the problem as I see it. La Conga is out for me because of the reason I just stated. The clubs have very attractive women in them (although when I go down it is so early normally only Cherry's is swinging), but the accomadations (the little closets) leave much to be desired. As I have posted in the past, across from upstairs Cherry's is a hotel where I've found many of the dancers staying. I've gone there and had an hour with dancers in a comfortable room with a bed and no bouncer telling me my time was up after 15 minutes. It's not consistent that I find good looking women there, and I only normally get to check out one woman. It would be nice to have a selection as in the clubs. So in your opinion, where is the best place a guy can go, have a selection of attractive women, a nice room with a bed (or something better than 2 chairs) and spend an hour with her enjoying what she has to offer all for a relatively reasonable price and in a relatively safe environment?

BorderJumper
01-01-03, 22:22
Okay guys...here's the shit on the supposed shakedowns and raids in the bars in Mexico. You're both haf right and both way off base.

Qualifying this, I live in Mexico and have for over 10 years. The last 5 in Juarez and Nuevo Laredo. I've also driven my POV all over Mexico without any hassles whatsoever. And my spanish sucks!

In Juarez, raids of the clubs occur several times a year depending on the mood of the politicos. I've been in Clubs in Juarez when these have happened and they're nothing. Nada! For a gingo. Generally, they pay no attention to the gringos instead focusing on the girls. They look for proper ID, evidence of drugs or useage. The same with the meseros and meseras. The only time I've seen a gringo hassled was when he challenged the policia about their authority to be in the bar. He was drunk and 3 years later is probably still a guest of the city of Juarz. In general though, gringos are not hassled or any attention paid to them unless reason presents itself. (ouline of knife or weapon in pocket, evidence of drugs etc.)

These raids, inspections, whatever you want to call them are generally carried out by the PFP or Federales. they also assit the local cops and the Policisa Estatal, the state cops. Military are rarely seen in the bars. In Juarez, they do patrol the streets in trucks in groups especially while the search is on for the serial killer of all those women in Juarez.

Over here in Nuevo Laredo where I live now, we have a large Police presence on the streets as we hve a small drug war going on right now. PFP in battle dress with H&K's on pretty much every corner in Centro. It is safe here. Our cathouses are housed in a compunbd known as Boystown which has a substation of the Policia Municipal complete with his and hers jail cells. Here you rarely see police raids of the clubs in BT. The place is pretty well self policing, a policy that works well for all. Occasionally, you'll see officials going around checking health certificates but as far as raids go, they're non existant unless there is a really good reason.

Tipping or not tipping the doorman, mesero, mesera etc. will not get you busted or set up. Period. Bad service yeah...that's about it though.

You know, the Mexico a lot of you see is limited to your forays to the zonas on the border. That's not the real Mexico or representative of the people of this great Republic. They're iving back to you some of the shit we've given them for over a 100 years. Nothing more.

One last thing about the cops here in Mexico. They're not all on the take. Less than 2% I would estimate. President Fox has made the elimination of merdido and other corruption his number one priority. But they're still out there.

Military.....virtually no corruption
Camiones Federal (Highway Patrol) Highest Paid in Mexico....Few Problems
PFP (Federal Judiciary Police) Few problems here either, unless you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) them off
Policia Estatal (State Police) More corruption at this level although decreasing
Policia Municipal (City Police) Keep your nose clean few problems
Transito or Vialidad (Traffic Cops) This is where most of your corruption is and most merdido paid.

Daddy
01-02-03, 00:30
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Daddy
01-02-03, 00:34
[QUOTE]Originally posted by da_hunter
, our main disagreement is the question of how safe Nogales and La Conga are. Hopefully I won't find out that your are correct in this matter. I don't think I will since, as I have said before, I normally go down in late afternoon, don't get drunk and pretty much keep to myself. I acknowledge the fact that you seem to have a thorough knowledge of the border scene in Nogales, and it would be a shame to waste such a resource on a disagreement

Good deal, I agree late afternoon should be a walk in the park.
Happy Hunting

WorldTraveller
01-02-03, 03:24
God I hope all this crap is over.........would be nice to read some posts about action rather than watch a pissing contest. Someone had told me that La Conga was improving their rooms/closets.....any truth to this?

BorderJumper
01-02-03, 03:37
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

BorderJumper
01-02-03, 03:41
Originally posted by WorldTraveller
God I hope all this crap is over.........would be nice to read some posts about action rather than watch a pissing contest.

I is over for my part Worldtraveller. I was only trying to impart information from first hand on going experience in Mexico and this idiot takes offense. ya'll get over NL way, let me know and the first round is on me, or beavis or Dear Hunter or other of us real timers here in NL

Vaya con Dios Amigo!

Borderguy
01-02-03, 04:24
Originally posted by WorldTraveller
[ Someone had told me that La Conga was improving their rooms/closets.....any truth to this? [/i]I was there a couple of weeks ago,experienced one of the little mini-rooms in the bar area for the first time.I much preferred the old system of going to the girl's living quarters in the back.Often you would see family photos on the wall, much more personal encounter.The new rooms/closets are big enough only for a small,very uncomfortable bed and they are situated right in the bar area where everyone in the bar can listen in.

Daddy
01-02-03, 10:09
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Daddy
01-02-03, 10:21
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Daddy
01-02-03, 10:21
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Daddy
01-02-03, 10:21
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Daddy
01-02-03, 10:46
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

da_hunter
01-02-03, 19:50
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

BorderJumper
01-02-03, 21:17
Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Scott
01-03-03, 13:50
jumpin' in for a second been down there several times and visited most bars never seen a shake down.. go there a couple times and you don't have to tip the doorman they welcome you in.. As far as street guy escourting you, may or maynot be a good idea. trust your feelings.. I personally am thru with nogie except for la conga and then when in dire need. way too many phoenicians have destroyed this place. If anybody has a problem down there don't go....tj and nl are the best places by far..... had good times there in nogie.. butt it's just too damn wierd for me.. getting setup or being setup in nogie will only happen to an ass. while many of these people will not like you they want you to come back... with more money...the women in the clubs in nogie will give any girl in tj and nl a run for the money but a bed and time will when the race.you aint getting niether here as compared.... my bottum down line is let nogales heal itself stay away and closets will become beds club personel will not harrass you for tickets and the girls will still be there money speaks volumes in any country if people stopped going things will change. But as we know Tucson and pheonix as deprived as they are will keep the current conditions as they are. So in conclusion the only bust on the tables there are the guys laying down the green for fun in a closet you can't though beat the lap dances or the private dances have fun and don't be an ass. By the way I got a blow job,complete sex and a message in n. larado for $40 and talked with the girl for another 10 minutes in bed and she was breath taking.

Mr. Bing
01-06-03, 23:02
Da hunter:
regarding your post from 1/1/03, how do you engage with those dancers that you see at the hotel?
Are they hanging out?
Do you wait in the lobby?
Do you go around knocking on doors? ;)
Do you need to get a room?

Planing a trip to Nogie pretty soon, and want to make the best of it...
Thanx

da_hunter
01-07-03, 00:28
originally posted by mr. bing
da hunter:
regarding your post from 1/1/03, how do you engage with those dancers that you see at the hotel?
are they hanging out?
do you wait in the lobby?
do you go around knocking on doors? ;)
do you need to get a room?

the first time, a street hawker took me up. i have also went to the lady behind the glass on the 2nd floor and asked, "¿hay bailirenas aqui?" (are there dancers here) more than once, she has brought out someone i didn't wanted to be with though and i had to turn them down. i have also sat on a metal bench on the other side of the street from the hotel and waited for someone i thought looked good. and i have met a dancer at a club and walked "home" with her. i suppose knowing spanish is a big help. also, i will let you know that later in the evening the hotel has a bouncer or two. i don't know if they are there to keep the girls inline or for the guys who may want to follow them home, but i stood and talked to them for a few hours learning a little about the clubs and some of the phrases of speech that they don't teach you in spanish 202. they didn't have a problem with me going upstairs looking for a girl though. although i have seen other hotels in the area that have signs which say something like "no admittance without a solicitor" or something like that. i never paid directly for a room, but the girls have said it's part of the price. so maybe if i had a room it would've been cheaper? i don't know.

LoveLOS
01-07-03, 06:54
Arriving Tucson Late evening, Tues, Feb 4. After getting rental and Checking into hotel, I am planning a sprint to Nogales.

I figure it will be 1-2am before I get there. I know limited spanish, but am teachable.

Since this is my first time here I have some questions to fill in the gaps from reading this forum in its entirety:

1. Any place open to pick up a little vitamim V for the rest of the night and week?

2. What are the recommedations for the best sex at these hours?

3. From the posts here, I am sold on LaConga. When does it close and is the session over when load is blown, even if the time is not?

4. Here is my game plan: Assuming I have Vita V, I thought a quick BJ in a bar would be nice before grabbing a cab to La Conga, where the earlier BJ would pay dividends for extending the FS action. ...or should I just go straight to La Conga and get two sessions?

5. Are the two shots (either method) above doable for US$150.

6. I assume border is open 24/7 or somebody would have noted it on this board, but I have seen some border crossings closed late.

7. I assume BYO condoms is the best policy. Is Nogi like Thailand, where you need two types--Lubed for FS and plain for CBJ?

Thanks for the info!
LoveLOS

LoveLOS
01-07-03, 06:57
I have read on a newsgroup posting that was two years old about a MP on the Mexico side that gives reasonable service.

Any info available on that?

Thanks,
LoveLOS

WorldTraveller
01-07-03, 19:47
Not sure about the Mexico side, but on the Arizona side the VIP Oriental Spa used to be okay. Long ago a lady named Jade ran it. F/S was $120 in addition to the hourly house charge. Included body shampoo, jacuzzi soak, sauna and massage. Used to be that you had to call in advance to make a reservation, they did not take walk-ins. It is in a shopping center, the door is kept locked, you ring the bell, they let you in (or not) they used to make the appointments because they only wanted 1 customer at a time. I have not been there for years, but had been there after Jade left and still got F/S at the quoted price.

LoveLOS
01-08-03, 05:24
WorldTraveller,

Thanks for the info. Any comment on my earlier questions?

Thanks
LoveLOS

Daddy
01-08-03, 07:58
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LoveLOS
[i]Arriving Tucson Late evening, Tues, Feb 4. After getting rental and Checking into hotel, I am planning a sprint to Nogales.

I figure it will be 1-2am before I get there. I know limited spanish, but am teachable.
1. You need to move quick Feb 4th is not a late night, things start to shut down at 3:00am. You won't learn much Spanish in one hour?


2. What are the recommedations for the best sex at these hours?
2. Pacers Bar and Fernies


3. From the posts here, I am sold on LaConga. When does it close and is the session over when load is blown, even if the time is not?
3. I assure you that Laconga at 2:00am is stupid, even if you are Tyson. Dont be fooled by the ingorant, and those elderly 30-40 year old women are not Health checked at La Conga.

4. Here is my game plan: Assuming I have Vita V,
4. Honestly I dont know what Vita V is? If its illegal drugs I can not help you. If It is Viagra, it is sold next to the Fry Marcos hotel at the Con Vida Pharmacy and it is very legal $13.00 ea.

5. Are the two shots (either method) above doable for US$150.
5. Yes! Conga should be doable for about $75.00 total, and Placers $100.00 to $120.00

6. I assume border is open 24/7
6. Yes!


7. I assume BYO condoms is the best policy.
7. BYO because they charge $5.00 in the bars. If you have a flavored one they will like it more, but not nesesary. You may not need the condom at LaConga?

I would be more than happy to show you around Nogales at 2:00am on the 4th, I would like to meet someone from this post just so they can report back to this post to explain a few things.

Daddy
01-08-03, 08:03
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LoveLOS
[i]I have read on a newsgroup posting that was two years old about a MP on the Mexico side that gives reasonable service.

Any info available on that?

As of last month it was really bad. The last Korean girl Kiki has
left. The new one is about 50 yrs old. I just could not bring myself up to do it with her. Price was $150.00 and she does not give a good Rub.

Azrobert
01-08-03, 09:25
Hello all,

Haven't been to Nogales in a while (3 Months) Planing on going down on the 11th of this month with a few friends if any one else will be there.....

What are the prices most pay ? would be interesting to see what the differences are......

I usually pay around 30 for bj and 50 for fs at most clubs, more if I am really drunk and she is really cute

LoveLOS
01-11-03, 11:12
Originally posted by Daddy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LoveLOS
[i]Arriving Tucson Late evening, Tues, Feb 4. After getting rental and Checking into hotel, I am planning a sprint to Nogales.

I figure it will be 1-2 am before I get there.
...
4. Honestly I dont know what Vita V is? If its illegal drugs I can not help you. If It is Viagra, it is sold next to the Fry Marcos hotel at the Con Vida Pharmacy and it is very legal $13.00 ea.
...
I would be more than happy to show you around Nogales at 2:00am on the 4th, I would like to meet someone from this post just so they can report back to this post to explain a few things.

Daddy,

You are the MAN! I realize you have had disagreements with others before I joined this forum, and I hope nobody takes offense, but I am truly impressed when a fellow punter takes the time to answer a newbie's questions and offers his time to boot!

I believe I owe you a beer, or any other beverage of choice, which I would love to repay 2:00am on the 4th! Send me an email on how to recognize you! Placers?

dirtbag667@hotmail.com

LoveLOS

WorldTraveller
01-12-03, 01:34
Is there any interest in a group of no more than 4-5 guys to go on a trip to Nogales? If so, lets figure a date and a bar to meet in down in Nogales, then go hunting as a group. I see that some of the guys going to Nuevo Laredo have done it successfully, their resulting posts have provided some great reading material.

There has been a bit of interest in the Tucson board about this, so I thought I would throw it out there and see if there is any interest.

Guero
01-12-03, 05:35
WorldTraveller:

I have some interest....as I noted in an earlier post, most of my friends have no interest in going down to Nogales, and I won't go alone.

-Guero



Originally posted by WorldTraveller
Is there any interest in a group of no more than 4-5 guys to go on a trip to Nogales? If so, lets figure a date and a bar to meet in down in Nogales, then go hunting as a group. I see that some of the guys going to Nuevo Laredo have done it successfully, their resulting posts have provided some great reading material.

There has been a bit of interest in the Tucson board about this, so I thought I would throw it out there and see if there is any interest.

LoveLOS
01-12-03, 08:35
Originally posted by WorldTraveller
Is there any interest in a group of no more than 4-5 guys to go on a trip to Nogales? If so, lets figure a date and a bar to meet in down in Nogales, then go hunting as a group. I see that some of the guys going to Nuevo Laredo have done it successfully, their resulting posts have provided some great reading material.


I am hoping to meet Daddy on the 4th, but I am in Tucson thru the 9th... Since I am new to Nogi, I am game...

LoveLOS

LoveLOS
01-18-03, 01:45
Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in the Tucson section to get excited about, so I thought this board would be happinin'...

LoveLOS

Mystic Pimp
01-18-03, 05:07
I agree that the Tucson section has been up and down recently... a little money and a ride and I may make a future visit to Nogales.


Originally posted by LoveLOS
Anybody out there? I haven't seen anything in the Tucson section to get excited about, so I thought this board would be happinin'...

LoveLOS

BeaverMich
01-18-03, 18:05
Will be heading to Puerto Penasco (Rocky Point) first week of May. Does anyone have info on the scene there? Have seen a little info on the Crystal Palace bar/brothel but not much detailed information. Any help appreciated!

mmd
01-19-03, 07:54
I went 2 times to Lord Blacks with much pleasure and succsess... both times at night, by myself, and a lil bit tipsy, but the last time I tried was on a Sunday afternoon, sober. I thought the daytimewould be safer, I was wrong, I made the mistake of not having any small bills for the vultures. One guy kept wanting me to buy his jewelry box for $.75, I kept saying sorry... well he followed me and was being cool and just talking to me, but I tried crossing the street to head to Lord Blacks, he went a different way and cut me off.... he then said, alright mother F***er, your gona give me some money, even if we have to box! I think I could hold my own against this fool, but I didn't fell like takin a blade, or gettin thrown into the Mexican jail (I am a gringo who speaks no spanish) Anyway, I just turned around to get to a more tourist part, he kept following me and talking spanish to a bunch of scary looking thugs, trying to get them to jump me, I just kept trying to get the hell out of there, he tried tripping me, and said "keep runnin" I got close to the us side and was safe.... he said, I will remember you next time, I put my arms up and told him to come across and we will settle things!!! Anyway, I never hear to many bad stories about mexico, but things do happen, I have learned a) not to go alone and b) take small bills for the vultures!

Stay safe guys, and maybe I could join in a group of fellow hobbiest going soon! Saftey in numbers!

DayGo
01-20-03, 17:04
I travel to Tucson once a month on business. I always arrive on Saturday and drive down to Nogales and stay until Monday morning. I have been all over Nogales to all the clubs. I have a regular girl. I have even spent the night at her home several times. I have never been hassled. Never been approched by "vultures" never been cheated by a taxi driver. I have never seen cops come in to a bar and give any a hard time. I'm not saying that what has been posted is not true, but after more than two year and haveing been to areas of Nogales you would never dream of going into, I have never seen anything like what is being discribed.

Chukie
01-20-03, 19:27
greetings from Phoenix

I am wondering if anyone from the Phoenix area wants to go down to Nogales. I've been there once. I can speak spanish fluently.
I am quite familiar with Juarez having lived in El Paso last year. I know the MP scene and the downtown area. If anyone is interested in driving over to Juarez on a weekend let me know and I'll accompany you.
Also quite familiar with Nuevo Laredo.
On a side note, I have been downrange to Costa Rica, Colombia, Bolivia, Honduras... Anyone interested in a trip down to Costa Rica or Colombia in March let me know.

DrDetroit
01-21-03, 08:28
I'm also looking for info for Rockey Point (Puerto Penasco). Heard storys about amateur girls $80-120 a night. Also any info on brothels will help,prices,time and what goes? and whats the best way to get rid of clingon's with out hurting feelings or causing a seen especially if youve been talking to 1 but see something nicer? Thanks I'll be in R.P. late Feb.

LoveLOS
01-21-03, 14:22
Originally posted by chukie
greetings from Phoenix

I am wondering if anyone from the Phoenix area wants to go down to Nogales. I've been there once. I can speak spanish fluently.


I will be in Tucson in early Feb. If there is interest in hooking up, let me know... dirtbag667 at hotmail dot com

LoveLOS

mcgeorge40
01-22-03, 13:25
I've been reading these posts for several years now... Been to a lot of places for our little hobby- Brazil, Mexico, Costa Rica, etc., etc. (Obviously, I prefer the latin cuties.)

This is my first post.

I've been to Nogales many, many times. I have gone at all times of the day and every day of the week. Not only have I never encountered a problem there, but I would honestly describe the citizens of Nogales as especially polite.

Am I naive? Nope. Like I said, I've been many places in this world, many times.

I do not doubt anything that anybody says on these boards. I always beleive in giving people the benefit of the doubt. I have no reason to think anyone would lie about police shakedowns and the so-called vultures... So why does it happen to some and not others?

You guys that are getting hassled and forced to hand over money or whatever it is that is happening: You must be doing something wrong. Maybe you look like an idiot. Maybe you look scared. Maybe you are of slight build- so much so that a Mexican (no doubt 5'6" at max) feels like he can fuck with you.

I grew up in Detroit- and not a suburb either- the GHETTO. If some guy followed me and was demanding money and all that other crap, he would realize VERY QUICKLY that he made a mistake... But then again, maybe he can tell that from looking at me to begin with.

To those of you that get hassled: Take a self-evaluation. Figure out what you are doing wrong. Then don't go to Nogales alone anymore.

Peace and happy *****-mongering.

mcgeorge40
01-22-03, 13:35
to dr. detroit:

You'll be in Rocky Point late February? Can't you wait a week or two and go during ASU spring break? Man, you won't even have to pay for it then...

As far as the action goes in Rocky Point: There are strip clubs with back rooms just like Nogales. Girls are more expensive in R.P.-- a reflection of the shit-loads of touristas that go down and drop mad cash. Especially if you go during busy season- which you are.

Occasionally-- VERY occasionally-- you will see a streetwalker in R.P. I've seen several on one vacation, and zero on the following three visits (and believe me, I look). All in all, I've been to Rocky Point about 8 times.

There is a *****house is R.P. called "Crystal Palace." Any cabbie can take you there. I went one time. I was the only customer. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I told the cab to wait, and I walked in and right back out again. Old, fat, ugly, toothless... You get the picture. Anybody who says different... Well, let's just say I wouldn't have fucked any of them under any circumstances. I speak a little Spanish, and even the cab driver laughed and agreed with me that the place is full of pigs.

Go to the Pink Cadillac at night and pick up an American girl partying. The come in all ages and many are down there to get laid- just like you.

If you live in AZ and you want *****s-- Nogales is the place.

DrDetroit
01-23-03, 00:48
to mcgeorge40:

Thanks for the info. The feb. date is already set in stone, but will keep in mind the spring break dates for next time as I'll soon be moving to AZ. Could'nt agree more with what you said about those getting hassled I think it's a matter of self-assurance and just plain street smarts. Be aware of your surrounding. Predators look for the week, confused, lame and dumb asses to prey on! don't get sloppy drunk, be a dumb ass or be a punk and youll be OK its worked for me and I to have been to a bunch of shitty places.

Dinghy
01-23-03, 03:56
mcgeorge - generally Noggie is safe but I DID get bracketed once a few years ago at about 2am on obregon a bit (maybe 1 click) south toward the canal. 3 got out of a car; 2 went 30' in front, 1 went 15' behind me... so I did what I thought was the best thing under the circumstance - I walked out into the street and calmly walked back north in the middle of the street (not much trafic) Even as big as I am, I'm not willing to take on 3 at once. Never had a problem crossing the tracks, though (except for the TRAFFIC - I swear every driver has a gunsight for a hood ornament)

mcgeorge40
01-23-03, 09:13
Wow! Like I said, I totally believe it when people say that they have these kinds of experiences... It just puzzles me why-- as many times as I've been down there-- I haven't seen hide nor hair of such people... Lucky, I guess.

(I'm knocking on wood this very second.)

I mean, I know that Nogales is full of old ladies going down to buy their medication, not to mention TONS of suburban white families shopping for junk trinkets... If it were really bad, you'd think these people wouldn't go at all!

I guess I will just keep my fingers crossed and hope I never run into 3 guys wanting to jump me. (But as far as the guy who posted a while back...the one who took a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in a dark alley...let's use some common sense people!)

Dinghy
01-24-03, 02:26
McG - thing was I was out of the "downtown" area it the "wee hours". I think it was lucky that I don't hardly drink or I might have been rolled (or worse, if I stood my ground)

as to the little old ladies - they tend to stay pretty much right in the first 3-5 blocks of Obregon or so

TucsonChief
01-24-03, 05:07
i was the one who pissed in the alley and escaped by the hairs on my chin. it sounds crazy but i wasn't about to take a leak on the street and end up the only gringo in the slammer.

actually, the alley i was in isn't even that bad, walking across the railroad tracks is about as dangerous.

i'd say your chances are better for avoiding trouble if you're sober, if anything goes down they probably target idiot drunks (like yours truly).

mcgeorge40
01-25-03, 14:08
now this is all making more sense... i generally don't drink TOO much. I usually get to Nogales around 5 or 6ish, make a quick left to the titty bars, have three or four before I get warmed up, and usually finish up and leave by 9ish... Then it's straight back to the border and across.

speaking of which: has anyone ever been searched or hassled by border guards? it always amazes me that they just wave me through.

Acaris
01-26-03, 01:42
I was in Nogales last weekend for Sunday afternoon. I never met 1 single bad person. Went to Cherry's. Had a blast for $71 total(21 for the room, 50 to the lady). Drank some Tecate's while I watched the Raiders kick ass. Picked some good bargains at the pharmacies. Walked through the border with zero hassles. The border patrol is profiling. They would not stop an old lady at all, but ask me if I am a US citizen. I have seen Latinos go through with no stops either. This border is 100 times better than TJ.


Acaris

LoveLOS
01-30-03, 08:22
Originally posted by Acaris
I was in Nogales last weekend for Sunday afternoon. I never met 1 single bad person. Went to Cherry's. Had a blast for $71 total(21 for the room, 50 to the lady)...
Acaris

Just Curious, the $50, what level of service did that get you?

Thanks,
LoveLOS

LoveLOS
01-30-03, 08:24
...6 days 'til Nogi, but whose counting?

LoveLOS

LoveLOS
01-31-03, 11:19
Daddy,

We still on for Tuesday nite?

LoveLOS

LoveLOS
02-01-03, 07:43
...4 days 'til Nogi, but whose counting?

LoveLOS

LoveLOS
02-03-03, 09:34
Thinking of going to NOGI on the weekend (2/8 or 2/9) for a full day of mongering. I figure we are safer in numbers and I am new to that scene, armed primarily with knowledge from this forum. Is there anybody in the mood for company? (if so post here / Tucson or backchannel dirtbag 667 at hot mail dot com)

...2 days 'til Nogi, and your &@#^ right I'M COUNTING!

LoveLOS

Guero
02-04-03, 04:00
Hi all,

Hit Nogi Saturday night...was with some friends who wanted to go drinking. We went to one of the bars down there, the type that costs 15-20 to get in, but offers unlimited free drinks. There were a whole bunch of high school/younger college people there...it might have been fun in high school, but now it ain't my thing. I told my friends that I'd like to cross the tracks and go to another type of establishment.

As we were walking, I was telling them about the various strip clubs. I wanted to go to Lord Blacks, but was telling them about other places....such as Placers. They were unable to make a decision based on my descriptions....so when a street guy approached and offered to lead the way (I told him we didn't need any help - I knew where everything was; but he explained he would get a commission, so he wanted to accompany us anyway) So, we just went to the first place that we saw....Placers.

I've been to Placers before, of course... and it wasn't tooooo bad the last time I was there (perhaps a month ago). However, it was my least favorite strip club (I've been to Lord Black, Lipstick, Fernis, and Placers).

It was about 1 AM when we got there, and we got some pretty shitty seats - the place was packed. Even though the place was full and there were plenty of customers, there seemed to be a shortage of girls. We changed seats after a few minutes, so I was right in the lane where people walk from the bar to the back rooms. We stayed for about an hour, so I saw about 5 or 6 dancers on stage. NOT ONE of them showed their poontang, and only half of them exposed their breasts (briefly). NONE of them completely removed their shirts. Frankly, it was pathetic. I've seen a hundred times better here in Tucson, and I couldn't believe how much it was sucking. I was embaressed that I had brought my friends there (with the promise of a riotous Mexican strip club in their minds)... now, they probably think that I'm a real square.

I'm very young, I'm clearly American, I'm good looking, and I sure ain't broke. I was approached only ONCE by a girl working there....she walked up to me, and mechanically placed her hand on my crotch as she asked me whether I wanted a private dance. She had done this only 15 seconds earlier to another patron in my field of vision. Not very arousing, to say the least. Although some people might be happy as long as a dancer approaches them, I'd like to see them put a bit more effort into it. Obviously, I never did get my rocks off at Placers.....luckily the dancing sucked so much that I never got aroused enough to ever develop any kind of blue balls ;)

We ended up leaving Nogi when we left Placers...my friends hadn't been to any of the clubs before, and didn't believe me when I said that it is usually better than this, and that the other places were bound to be better. Argh.

Some of you may remember some of my posts a few weeks ago, and I had some very good fun in Nogi during those trips.
Comparatively, this post probably isnt very interesting, but I wanted to post this story, so that you can consider my experience the next time you are in town. Personally, Lipstick is still my fave, followed by Lord Black's. These faves are of course derived from my own personal experience, but what more can I offer?

Anyway, Placers was very disappointing on Saturday night, and I've got to say that it would take some convincing before I'd give the place another shot. Next time, hopefully I'll be there w/ people who will hop from club to club, should one place suck.

Good luck in all of your pursuits!

------>Guero

El_Otro_Hijo
02-04-03, 05:33
Guero,

I also was in nogi this saturday with some friends that wanted to pick up prescriptions. We only had money for the medicines so sex was out of the question this trip. Anyway, we cruised by placers about 11pm and the police and army had the entrance to the place blocked off. Some of the girls were standing outside waving at cars as they went by. Maybe this is why you found the place so dead later on, I would give it one more chance.

Happy Hunting.

Nogi_hunta
02-04-03, 06:21
To all,

I'm very disapointed having to post this message, but I have to tell all fellows hunters out there about how bad Nogales have gone. I've been living in Tucson for a little over two years now and have to say the quality of Nogales has gone downhill drastically since I've been here. Back then I was able to get a really good service from any super gorgeous looking girl for just around $40, (+~$15 for double time room). The last time I was there, about 6 months ago, the girls looked like crap, and would not go lower than $60, and the room was now $22. Not that I complain about the money was too much, but for the quality of the girls now, I sure would not want to pay that much. Also, during that last trip, a friend of mine got his keys stolen from him, when he left them on the table to go get his private dance, and was demanded $20 to get them back. I was sitting at the table the whole time, but was not paying attention for what was on the table. BTW, this incident happened at Lipstick. I think we all should just abandon Nogales, until the scene gets better...

DayGo
02-04-03, 18:44
Nogi_Hunta

I don't know what girls you are see in Nogales. I've been going for two years and Yes the prices have gone up just like anything else, but I can't agree with you the the girls. Sure you are going to see a few that are 4/5 but 8 to 10 are commonm place.

Mystic Pimp
02-04-03, 19:54
Originally posted by nogi_hunta
To all,

I'm very disapointed having to post this message, but I have to tell all fellows hunters out there about how bad Nogales have gone. I've been living in Tucson for a little over two years now and have to say the quality of Nogales has gone downhill drastically since I've been here. Back then I was able to get a really good service from any super gorgeous looking girl for just around $40, (+~$15 for double time room). The last time I was there, about 6 months ago, the girls looked like crap, and would not go lower than $60, and the room was now $22. Not that I complain about the money was too much, but for the quality of the girls now, I sure would not want to pay that much. Also, during that last trip, a friend of mine got his keys stolen from him, when he left them on the table to go get his private dance, and was demanded $20 to get them back. I was sitting at the table the whole time, but was not paying attention for what was on the table. BTW, this incident happened at Lipstick. I think we all should just abandon Nogales, until the scene gets better...

If we abandon Nogales, where do you suggest we Americans go? (At least, the ones that reside in Arizona.)

Ed...
02-04-03, 20:44
Stole his keys and held a ransom?

Pretty Rare. Ive recieved nothing but help from the people there to make a living. Your friend may try smiling, thanking the waitor in your language or his, and tipping.
Also - I also cant see how things havent gotton a whole lot better in the last several years.

A short time ago, there where only a couple strip clubs. Prices have risen everywhere, but we are seeing a good trend towards "room service" as in TJ. Hopefully, with continued support, more places will offer this and perhaps the price for the rooms will get more in line with other areas of Mexico. BTW, the low prices and wild variences of services are still available in Nogi on the street.

Ed...

SlimShady2K
02-05-03, 03:50
This may sound like a stupid question, but here goes:

How important do you guys think the sex trade is to the economy of Nogales, Sonora...and the border towns in general?

That said, it seems half of the posts from people in Arizona (Tucson and Phoenix) and other border states praise Mexico as far as sex goes. Do they still do sex tours like I used to hear about a long time ago? Just curious. I would live to visit one of the strip clubs at some point, or visit the Conga down there.