View Full Version : Havana
Vedado Fun
04-04-11, 01:18
A casa is legally entitled to rent out 2 rooms. You many find other than that BUT it will not be in Vieja, centro or Vedado as the owner will be taking a risk. The best you will be able to do is get 3 casas close to each other.I know of at least two casas in Vedado near Hotel Colina that rent out 3 rooms. I'm not sure if legally they are allowed to do it or not but I did line up one of them for 3 friends. They all stayed there together and they all had to fill out individual forms for the government. I also know of several casas that rent out 2 rooms but only one is legal but this is quite common in Havana as I'm sure you know. I think renting out 2 rooms legally is probably the limit like you said. I'll check this out next time I'm in Havana.
BeersTerry
04-04-11, 16:06
The legal limit is two (for foreigners) , of that I am absolutely sure. Es Cuba and if you have made an accomodation with the casa inspector you could be doing it, but it still isn't legal.
Hi, I've been looking for it for a while now, but can't find it. Someone had a list of nightclubs in Havana, their price, and how their chica count is.
Does anyone know where I can find this?
Sammytheman
04-06-11, 07:16
Hey fellas I will be on a solo trip from 8th to 15th. I have pretty good experience with Cuba. Read my reports. If anyone wants to hook up feel free to PM me. Happy hunting.
Hey fellas I will be on a solo trip from 8th to 15th. I have pretty good experience with Cuba. Read my reports. If anyone wants to hook up feel free to PM me. Happy hunting.Man that sucks dude! I've read almost all your reports, and based on that, it woulda been pretty sweet to hang.
I might be there on the 25th.
I'm planning a Havana Cuba trip this month (April 2011). Would love team up with other fellow terbites if possible. Maybe share some good times, memories and car rental expense. PM me. I've only been once and had a great time.
I'm planning a Havana Cuba trip this month (April 2011). Would love team up with other fellow terbites if possible. Maybe share some good times, memories and car rental expense. I've been there once and had a good time. Better email me [Email address deleted by Admin]
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove email addresses in the text. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!
So I messaged several casa owners and they said that they are allowed 2 rooms, but some of these casa's are apartments, so they said that other rooms on different floors can be possible so 4 of us would have separate rooms. Any comments?
Vedado Fun
04-29-11, 18:05
The legal limit is two (for foreigners) , of that I am absolutely sure. Es Cuba and if you have made an accomodation with the casa inspector you could be doing it, but it still isn't legal.When is the last time you were in Havana?
I just got back from Havana and I was told that the laws have changed and that Casa owners can now rent out as many rooms in their Casas as they like but they have to pay a monthly fee per room for the licence to do that. I stayed in one of my regular Casas which legally rents out 3 rooms. I was in one room and there were two European girls in each of the other two rooms. It was a little crowded since the owner of the Casa and her son and sister also live there. Not so bad for me though since my room has an independant entrance. It was nice to share breakfast and chat with these 4 pretty girls too. Just up the street at another one of my regular Casas there were six more girls from the same group sharing the 3 legal rooms available there.
BeersTerry
04-29-11, 21:42
I was there late last year. My friend told me that the laws were changing in January but that he thought only more taxes for him to pay.
Under the old system, you did not want to overextend yourself because once you lost your licence, you could not get it back. You committed to one room if you feel you could afford the tax the entire year. My friend has four rooms that he could rent out but rents out two.
Just got back from Havana. For anyone who has doubts, the scene is bumping!
However, saw mainly pro's. However, some of the hottest chick's I've seen!
Just got back from Havana. For anyone who has doubts, the scene is bumping!
However, saw mainly pro's. However, some of the hottest chick's I've seen! I'll be there in a couple of weeks. Do tell us more.
As a rule, I've always broke my buddy's balls over keeping the same girl for an entire mongering trip. But I guess I'll have to add myself to that list.
I was waiting on a Thursday for my buddy Safado to arrive and got a call that his connecting flight into Costa Rica was delayed. So I scrambled around to get everything switched over for a Friday arrival. We got a lucky bounce with housing, as my favorite casa particular was available on our arrival dates, as it was booked on the Thursday night, but opened up on Friday.
Casa Alejandro.
http://*************.com/f353/casa-a...ro-vedado-239/
The flight over went well, we were upgraded through a friend with Taca. I saw a hot flight attendant on the flight and asked my friend about her, he introduced me. I invited them over for dinner at Alejandro's, as they had said the common complaint about Havana was the food.
As we arrived, everything went smoothly, as it usually does with Alejandro.
I made dinner arrangements for the casa for the Taca crew, before heading out to handle the business of the trip. Upon returning, I needed a nap. So we grabbed some sleep before our evening's festivities.
As I woke up, our friends from the flight crew had arrived for dinner. We had a great dinner and conversation. While we were eating, a pretty friend of Alejandro's daughters arrived and was talking to Alejandro and his daughter in the other room.
As we getting ready to leave, I asked Alejandro who that was, and he introduced me. The flight crew was still hanging around, more importantly, the hot flight attendant, so I said goodbye and Safado and I headed out to La Cecelia to find our entertainment for the evening.
La Cecelia was hopping. I've never been to Brazil, but La Cecilia is how I imagine Help would have been, had I made it there during it's hay-day.
We did a few laps and interviewed what appeared to be some pretty qualified candidates. A cute mulatta had approached Safado with a sincere offer for company for the evening. He didn't seem that interested, but she assured him he would enjoy her company, among other things. I think he wanted to find out how sincere she was, so he explained to her he was looking to violate her culo, she didn't flinch.
As the culo negotiations were taking place, the girl from Alejandro's apartment walked up and introduced herself. Her name was Irina. She had a perfect body, and a pretty face. We discussed our options and came to the conclusion 80cuc would be a good idea for her to share her culture with me. So Irina, Safado, and his little culita were in a taxi back to casa Alejandro. I called Alejandro to make sure the flight crew had left and the coast was clear.
Irina was everything I had imagined, and more. She blew me with amazing skill, making sure the bottom of my sack was thoroughly clean before putting the bag on and mounting up. Every time I'm with a Cuban girl, I'm reminded just how amazing these ladies are in bed. They must teach this in the university. But Irina brought a little extra. After the first round, she told me I had about an hour before we would go again. So we laid in bed and chatted for a while before I was ready to go again.
The second round was better than the first. It took me forever to get off, so I was sweating profusely, which she told me she loved. She explained afterward that she loved being sweat on, as it implied effort.
When we were done with the second round, I opened the safe to get her money and paid her. After putting the money in her pocket, she jumped in the shower, after coming out, I expected her to get dressed and leave, but she got back in bed with me. After falling into a deep, well earned slumber, she cuddled up and fell asleep as well. Somewhere around 4-5am, I was awakened by the sensation only felatio brings. I struggled to focus, both from the darkness in the room, and my exhaustion. She was blowing me alright. I laid back and enjoyed it until I realized I probably wouldn't be able to blow this way, and brought her up to ride me. Thankfully, I was able to cum a little easier than the second round. After rinsing off, I went back to sleep and woke up around 11am. Irina woke up as I was laying in bed and went down on my again. This eventually turned into great morning sex. Afterward, she got dressed and left.
I forget to mention, I had told the hot flight attendant I'd show her around Havana the next afternoon around 1pm. So Safado and I ate breakfast and headed over to meet her at the hotel.
I showed Safado and the flight attendant around old Havana and had lunch at La Roca before heading back to the casa. After dropping her off, we had a smoke and I hit the sack for a well needed nap.
When I woke up, I went out to the living room and Safado was talking to Alejandro. Alejandro told me Irina had called. Normally, I don't call over a girl a second night, mongering protocol and all. But this girl rocked me so well the night before, I just had to have another taste. Safado and I went to dinner with every intention of going to La Cecelia afterward, but then Irina called and I asked her to bring a hot friend over to the restaurant for Safado.
Safado ordered shots of tequila for the girls and himself, as I don't drink. After a couple of beers and shots, we were all headed back to the apartment.
Irina pretty much repeated the performance from the night before. Hitting me again in the morning to lay me out for a few more hours.
I had now shot 7 loads in less than 48 hours, and was in danger of going into a coma. But I mustered the strength to venture out again with Safado for a few tourist errands before heading back to the house.
The urge to head out to look for a new girl was overcome with the desire for the same smoking body of Irina I'd had the two nights before. So Irina came over and we all went to Dos Gardenias to find Safado a suitable companion.
While we were at Dos Gardinias, a really hot morena joined us at the table and negotiations began anew for Safado. This girl was gorgeous. At some point, Safado had terms with his lovely new friend and we were headed back to the casa. I wasn't sure how Safado's girl would work out, but I knew how my arrangement would turn out. Another 2 rounds of amazing sex. Followed by a desperate attempt to recover some well needed sleep.
Morning came, and I began to pack and get ready for the early flight back to Costa Rica. As I knocked on Safado's door, his girl answered and he was up and packing as well. Seems his arrangement went well too.
Maybe I could have found a variety of beauties over the course of the weekend that would have expanded and diversified my experience, but the girl I had chosen to spend my weekend with was everything I could have hoped for and more. Setting me back 80cuc a night in the process.
Irina.
150742
150743
150744
A few of Safado's girl on the last night.
150745
150746
150747
150748
Primusduvel
05-08-11, 04:12
You may want to check this website it has lots of options, is spanish though but if you contact them they speak english:
http://www.livingcuba.com/
Everything in Havana vieja and Vedado should enter your requirements, I stated in both and is walking distance of a lot of things, take care!
So I finally booked my trip to Cuba for the last week of April. I know there is information for casa particular's here, but much of it is outdated. I need someone's opinion on casa particular's in Havana.
1. It should have about 4-5 rooms for my friends.
2. It should be close to action (ie. Clubs, restuarants, etc).
3. Girl friendly.
I'd be grateful for your help. I'll only be staying there a couple of days, but I will definitely post a review upon my return.
Thanks in advance
Sammytheman
05-10-11, 05:49
Just got back from Havana. For anyone who has doubts, the scene is bumping!
However, saw mainly pro's. However, some of the hottest chick's I've seen! Come on Rafzuh! You can do better than that. I think everyone here would greatly appreciate trip report. Thanks.
80 CUC at the manipulated exchange rate, along with the USD penalty is about 100 USD.
For / in Cuba?
That's a sick joke, unless the girl is a legitimate cabaret model / dancer.
The Dirty Pirate
05-10-11, 17:44
80 CUC at the manipulated exchange rate, along with the USD penalty is about 100 USD.
For / in Cuba?
That's a sick joke, unless the girl is a legitimate cabaret model / dancer.Seems normal to me, when was the last time you were in la Habana? 1992?
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
I'm in Havana every 6 weeks, $80-$100 per night is very common, especially for hot girls out of the Capri or La Cecillia. Havana is not the place for budget mongering unless you want the poor girls off the street. You get what you pay for.
Here's my opinion why prices are so high. Andúmero UNO, prostitution is illegal in CUBA, and the police are cracking down harder every year. What this means is that less and less girls in the industry willing to risk the chance of jail time to earn a buck. The second reason is the lack of alternative mongering facilities in Cuba. No daytime casas, no strip clubs, no Internet adds, no newspaper adds. Basically your options are night clubs or walk the streets. Unfortunately the hot girls in the clubs know this, as well as there Chulo boyfriends standing 20 feet behind them.
If it's 2:45 and the clubs closing in 15 minutes you need to cut a deal or your sleeping solo. There's no going back to your room and working the Internet or heading off to a late night casa. Thirdly, most of the hot girls have boyfriend (chulos) that make and try to control pricing. These guys are suppose to be there protection from the police and basically control the girls. Now there are many independent girls out trying to make a buck but most are of lesser qaulity
I'm in Havana every 6 weeks, $80-$100 per night is very common, especially for hot girls out of the Capri or La Cecillia. Havana is not the place for budget mongering unless you want the poor girls off the street. You get what you pay for.I can only confirm this. Bargains can be made if you have time. But hardly in the clubs.
However, most of us would prefer to experience what Jonesie got for 80 CUC and how he spent his time. In just a week-end! Rather than flying home with some cash left. Or mongering around in the streets alone.
Please consider many visitors do not arrive with USD but with Euro in their pockets. 56 Euro are 80 CUC today. (1:1. 47). It used to be 1:1. 15 a year ago.
Just my 2 cents.
However, the results of the revolution will be meticulously documented in my reports.
Ahhhh Havana.
Introduction:
This trip was extended courtesy of Taca airlines. But turned out ok.
Many Thanks to my man Blazers for making the trip with me. And our sidekick Charlie who joined the trip at the last minute. Good times.
First Night. Casa Shuffle
Blazers and I met in San Jose the night before the trip to hang and catch up. Blazers pulled, but I called it the night in anticipation of a busy day before the trip. We did most of what we needed to do and headed to the airport to meet up with Charlie.
We arrived and made our way through immigration and customs with the usual "why are you in Cuba" business. I wonder if anyone ever told them "I'm here to spy on your government and undermind the revolution". Otherwise, the line of questioning would seem meaningless to me.
We arrived the Casa Nenita more or less on time to find she was ocupado. She quickly found us other arrangements in the building, so we were able to get the festivities underway. Always an adventure.
Casa Nenita.
First Night. Model Toss, the Sequel
We all headed out to Salon Rojo on this Thursday night. We were all able to find lovely companions for our naughty intentions.
I took a girl who's name escapes me. Back at the casa, she insisted on being paid first. I insisted I would pay her afterward. Back and forth until she said she was leaving. I said ok. Then she continued stating that she needed to be paid first. I said "I thought you were leaving". She got dressed and I walked her to the elevator. She asked me to accompany her downstairs to find a taxi, and I walked back into the apartment. Some of you would say that were rude, but I'm over being polite to this situation.
She was cute though.
Second Day. Little Miss Naughty
After waking up unfulfilled, I had to find us suitable casa arrangements. I was able to find us a nearby apartment in about 30 minutes and we were soon settled into a cozy place nearby with a great view.
Casa Isabela.
I then called over a girl I'd met on my last trip at La Cecelia.
Claudia arrived on time and looked lovely. She had a hard body and a naughty look about her. She came in and showed me the naughty look wasn't just a look.
Claudia set me back 60CUC. She was quite fun and allowed me to get my first leche of the trip.
Claudia.
150988
150989
150990
150991
Second Night. Looks can be deceiving.
La Cecelia was closed the weekend we were in town, so we went to Salon Rojo on Friday Night. It wasn't as busy as the previous night, but everyone was able to make suitable arrangements. Everyone, that is, but me. I had a few options that I planned on waiting out. The club was slow and I thought waiting until the last moment would render me a better price. To my bad luck, all three of my potential companions got pulled at the last minute. Leaving me with 20 minutes to make a decent pull. I found a lovely girl and made logistical arrangements.
Back at the casa, the police were out front questioning people and my girl arrived and wouldn't exit her taxi until they left. Which they didn't. So after a few minutes, her taxi pulled away and that was the last I saw of her.
I called my Librarian friend from my last report. She arrived at 4am and did not disappoint. Excellent service as before, and she left me spent as the sun began to come up.
Librarian.
150996
150995
150994
150993
150992
150997
Third Day. Keeping with Tradition
Some of you may be familiar with my hobby of pulling random girls off the street and fucking them in shitty apartments. A cheap thrill, I know, but I don't know many places where this is possible.
On Day Three, Blazers, Charly, and I went on a walk of Old Havana. About an hour into the walk, I spotted this hot little morena walking along Obispo. I motioned her over into a stairway and began negotiating. We agreed on 35cuc, plus 10cuc for the room.
Iliana delivered and delivered well. She's from Santiago and was worth more than I gave her.
Iliana.
Third Night. Model Toss, Part III
On the Third night, we had dinner at La Fontana in Miramar before the evening's festivities.
After dinner, we decided to mix it up and hit Casa de la Musica. The line outside suggested the talent inside would be quite good. It was.
Once we got inside, I interviewed a couple of candidates and landed a pretty girl with a nice body. Once at the house, the "pay me first" monster reared it's ugly head again. After a brief back and forth, she suggested I put the money on the dresser, I told her ok, but understand that until my leche, it's my money, not hers. To which she said no problem. Once I put the money on the dresser and walked over to the bed, she got up, walked over the dresser, and picked up the money. I got up, grabbed her hand, took my money, and told her to get dressed. She started to argue, to which I grabbed her clothes and told her that her clothes would be downstairs in 5 minutes with or without her. She grabbed them and put them on. I walked her downstairs as she lobbied for taxi money to no avail.
Don't remember her name.
Day Four. VIP Lounge
After breakfast on Day 4, we began making logistical arrangements to head to the airport later. I called over Yoli from a few of my previous reports to get me ready for my journey back to Costa Rica.
Yoli came over dressed in a silly outfit which quickly needed to be shed. Yoli's skills are unmatched outside the Cuban Island, save for maybe Rio de Janiero.
I had an amazing session with Yoli, as I was planning to take a shower, she jumped me again and had her way with me. Yoli is among the best I've had, even amongst Cubans.
Fourth Night. Bumped, Delayed, and Bumped again. .
As we arrived at the airport, we were informed that we would not be flying back to Costa Rica today, but we would be put up in the Habana Libre and given a voucher for $200 towards a future Taca flight. So it was off to the Habana Libre.
We arrived at the Habana Libre and were less than impressed with the state of this hotel. It resembled a very large rent by the hour place. With a little better view.
We met for dinner and decided to make the most of our evening. We met up at midnight and took a walk down La Rampa. As we reached Sofia's, I spotted this Mulatta with a ridiculous body who I insisted one of us were going to fuck. Blazers pussed out, so I decided I would have to take one for the team and fuck this girl.
We got into a taxi and headed to a casa a ways away. Decent for 15cuc. My agreement with my new friend was 40CUC. It was dark, and I only had my phone to take pictures, but this girls tits were what plastic surgeons are going for, and her performance is what porn directors hope to get.
Leyanet, I hope you can make out even a fraction of how perfect her body was.
BeersTerry
05-13-11, 15:14
My best bargain was free, it only took me two years of trips to work her.
Other than that, you get what you pay for in Cuba. And sometimes less.
BeersTerry
05-13-11, 21:30
Jonesie, that Librarian is hot.
I am thinking of going for a visit in June but it is too hot for me at that time.
Hummer Bird
05-13-11, 22:05
.................., but this girls tits were what plastic surgeons are going for, and her performance is what porn directors hope to get. Leyanet, I hope you can make out even a fraction of how perfect her body was.Lets see some pics of this 4th night!
Cheers.
HB
Preview:
A buddy and I had birthdays a day apart in mid-March. So we agreed to head to Havana for a weekend of celebration.
We flew into Havana and had a relatively painless time going through immigration and Aduana.
I had booked our casa with an old and trusted friend, so there were no surprises upon arrival. The casa we booked was a newly remodeled independent apartment in Vedado in a building I usually stay in.
Casa Alberto.
Originally, there were three of us, but my other buddy from LA got a pilot picked up, so he had to back out at the last minute. My friend and I paid his share to avoid having to share with another tourist. Total for our 3 bedroom penthouse was 100cuc per night.
We also got a lucky bounce with the Cuban currency devaluing the week of our trip by 8. It was like we got a coupon for our vacation. Even the pussy would be a little cheaper.
First Night: All work and no play makes Jonesie a fuckin' grump.
I had to take care of the business before we got started, so I told my buddy I'd be gone for about an hour, then we'd go to Salon Rojo and get some ass. Unfortunately, business took too long and by the time I got back, it was 2am and my friend was asleep. I woke him up and asked if he wanted to go out, he passed.
I tried to make a couple of calls to get some ass over, but all my girls were either out of minutes, or under another tourist when I called.
Second Day: Making up for Lost Time.
We woke up on Friday morning and ate breakfast. We laid out our day so that I could show my friend around Havana a little, get some ass, and have a smoke.
While we were walking back from our stroll in Old Havana, we spotted a hottie walking down the Prado. My buddy told me to let him try his game and his shitty Spanish before getting involved. So he asked her several times a question that resembled "where is the mop museum"? When I saw she was ready to walk off, I stepped in and told her that my friend thought she was super cute and wanted to take her to his apartment. She told me "Ay coño, Your friend needs to work on his Spanish".
Upon closer inspection, he noticed she had a piercing under one side of her lip. And changed his mind about taking her. After I had worked her terms out to 40cuc.
Realizing I had just wasted her time, and being the humanitarian I am, I offered to take her myself.
Eilyn joined us for a taxi home and
On the way, I called over Lisandra from my list of honeys to help him with his Spanish.
Eilyn was a sweetheart. I think Cuban universities must teach tea bagging to their female students. Great blow job, amazing sex, and a perfect body to look at the whole time. A very well spent 40cuc. I gave her another 10cuc for her enthusiasm and her taxi.
Eilyn:
151288
151289
151290
Second Night: Aunt Jemima.
After a well deserved nap and dinner at my friend Alejandro's house, Alejandro asked if I'd take his Italian guests out on the town with us. So we were off to La Cecelia.
La Cecelia was it's usual, happiest place on earth self. After a broad interview process, the guys were getting a little drunk, and the Italians couldn't help but be Italians and ask me where they could find some Coke. So I took it as my que to make my pick and bail. I was in the mood for a mulatta Friday night, so I pulled this pretty mulatta with beautiful eyes and grabbed a taxi home.
I can't remember her hard to pronounce name, but she had an amazing body and did a wonderful job of getting a couple leches (and 70cuc) out of me before disapearing into the night with my gratitude. These pictures exagerate her features a bit. She was nothing short of stunning.
Aunt Jemima.
151291
151292
151293
While Aunt Jemima was leaving, my now drunk friend was arriving with a butt-ugly girl. I struggled with what to do. As I knew he probably wouldn't remember how ugly the girl was in the morning. So I decided to let it be. Until I heard them arguing. I knocked on the door to ask what the problem was, and she told me that he needed to pay her 100cuc first. He said he'd agreed to the 70cuc limit I suggested. And mentioned he'd already paid 30cuc for the taxi (which is never more than 10). Being ugly wasn't my business, but taking advantage of my buddy was the excuse I needed to toss her. I told her she needed to leave. She asked me why, so I explained the whole taxi-scam thing, and mentioned that with her looks, she's lucky to get 20cuc, so trying to squeeze my friend out of 100cuc up front made her unwelcome. She stormed out and I called over Dayana to take care of my drunk friend.
Third Day: Lunch, a stogey, a nap, and a not so quickie.
Saturday, we slept in, I took my friend to the Nacional for coffee, a few other places, and home to call over some talent.
I called Yayi and Lily over to help us with our afternoon boredom. Yayi came over and rocked me, like she always does. Hanging out with us long after the deed with her spunky and pleasant personality. When I saw Lily calling from the door, I went out to see a total stranger standing there. She was somewhat cute, with a decent body, so I asked my friend if she was ok. He liked her, so she stayed.
Yayi:
151294
151295
Third Night: La Cecelia.
After a nap and dinner at La Cocina de Lilliam, we headed over to La Cecelia to see what we could find on our last night in town. La Cecelia was it's usual heavenly place. There were no shortage of ultra talented options to choose from. We ended up grabbing our picks and heading home.
La Cocina de Lilliam.
I picked Dinelsis. A strange name, but she was everything I'd hoped she would be. There were no condoms to be found, so she called a taxi over to deliver some. I told her she'd have to blow me until they arrived, so she gave me what I'd estimate to be a 20 minute blow job with the standard tea bagging she learned at school. Once the condoms arrived, I set out to get my money's worth. I did Dinelsis twice. The second leche, combined with the condom, made it very difficult to finish. But finish I did eventually.
Dinelsis was absolutely beautiful. Her body was absolutely perfect, with natural perky tits and a great curvy ass to finish off her long legs. A nice way to finish off the trip.
Dinelsis:
151296
151297
Seems normal to me, when was the last time you were in la Habana? 1992?Actually 2002, and for quite some time and I never paid more than 30.
Of course, I realize and understand that people were paying 100 USD plus going back to the Comodoro days of 1998, etc.
It's simply an option I wasn't interested in.
Personally I'm simply not going to pay 100 for pussy, especially so if it's a short time encounter. Girls the world over excel at taking 100 a pop from gringos who consider that "good value".
Then she spends the next 2 nights with me, all night long for small pennies on those dollars.
Of course, I'm fairly fluent in Spanish, (was) considered handsome by the chicas and since I lived a lo cubano, became a camajan in short order and they respected that.
Jonesie, that wasn't meant as a personal slam, I'm enjoying your report. It looks like Cuba isn't quite dead yet and one can negotiate a more "equitable" price structure.
Member #4250
05-19-11, 14:06
Actually 2002, and for quite some time and I never paid more than 30.
Of course, I realize and understand that people were paying 100 USD plus going back to the Comodoro days of 1998, etc.
It's simply an option I wasn't interested in.
Personally I'm simply not going to pay 100 for pussy, especially so if it's a short time encounter. Girls the world over excel at taking 100 a pop from gringos who consider that "good value".
Then she spends the next 2 nights with me, all night long for small pennies on those dollars.
Of course, I'm fairly fluent in Spanish, (was) considered handsome by the chicas and since I lived a lo cubano, became a camajan in short order and they respected that.
Jonesie, that wasn't meant as a personal slam, I'm enjoying your report. It looks like Cuba isn't quite dead yet and one can negotiate a more "equitable" price structure. Not slamming or criticizing in any way either, but just to set cost expectations. Paying 100 is 4x more than necessary. I go every year including this year, and 30 CUC is tops. Problem is the word gets around that yumas pay 100 and in reality most regulars do not. Cubans pay even less. Beautiful sexy chica, hot sex, GFE, in Cuba. 20 CUC. 30 if you are generous.
Hi Guys,
I plan to go to Cuba by the end of next week. I'm looking for some contacts to be introduced to girls. Some ways to really enjoy the trip as I'm going there alone. SO do you know someone (native, drivers etc.) who can help?
Thanks
Chagga.
Contact my friend Jorge when you arrive in Havana and tell him you are friends with Ken from New York.
Buy him a few beers and pay entrance fees to some clubs. He can arrange for drivers and chicas.
Keep me posted.
Jorge contact info.
[Telephone Number deleted by Admin]
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited or deleted to remove personal telephone numbers. Please do not post personal telephone numbers in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you for this information directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!
Chagga,
PM me and Ill send you my guides name and info.
Hedonist69
05-26-11, 14:41
I can only confirm this. Bargains can be made if you have time. But hardly in the clubs.
However, most of us would prefer to experience what Jonesie got for 80 CUC and how he spent his time. In just a week-end! Rather than flying home with some cash left. Or mongering around in the streets alone.
Please consider many visitors do not arrive with USD but with Euro in their pockets. 56 Euro are 80 CUC today. (1:1. 47). It used to be 1:1. 15 a year ago.
Just my 2 cents. I am new into this site but I am having fun reading the commentaries because I am realizing that things are as they used to be even in 1998! .
I have been in 96-97 and 98, for a month every time. , all around Cuba.
It was correctly written here above : "Bargains can be made if you have time".
It is damn true andit has always beeen like this for ages.
NO TIME = NO GOOD PRICE! As simple as that. (you need also to speak some Spanish as well)
BUT THE BEST WAY TO FIND GENUIN G. F CHICAS WAS PICKING HIJACKING GIRLS AFTER WORK.
I guess, still is.
Just get around with your car at around 17. 00 and stop by every good looking girl looking for a ride.
ANOTHER TIP : TAKE A WALK INTO THE UNIVERSITY and start talking to them.
If you want to have an easy fuck with a differnent girl every night, at that moment you have to appeal to the club pros and pay them for that.
But if you prefer more natural and genuine situtions, lut follow my advise.
For that you jst need a bit patient, speak a bit of Spanish an, finally, have available time.
in a few years, havana will gradually have become more mainstream, and while i think the women will still possess that same pizazz, the cuba i know will be gone forever.
i love havana, it's a city with style. even with all the financial and political stuff going on, in every apartment building and on every block, you'll see people getting ready for a saturday night. political and economic struggles in mind, it's still saturday night. and saturday night must be taken advantage of.
first night: making due.
our trip started of with the normal / abnormal glitch. our flight from san jose into havana was cancelled. by the time i found out, infanticide was already in the air from ny. so i had to get things in motion in his absence. i called havana to let them know we'd be coming a day late. by the time infanticide arrived, i was in the taca office changing our tickets. little did i know, the crafty bastard was at the airport adding a day to our trip to make up for our lost evening in havana.
so i get the tickets and head home to be available when infanticide calls. he finally calls from a hotel they stuck him at and i gave him directions to my place. so now we have an evening to kill in san jose before we head off to havana. we hit the del rey, but it's dead. so i take him to the latest spot, the pirate club.
the pirate club is becoming the new spot in san jose. it's stocked with talent, reasonably priced, and gringo owned, which means a straight up transaction. when we arrived, there were some lovely girls available, and we both pulled. i picked karen. karen delivered strongly. bbbj, lots of passion, and an enthusiasm that leads me to believe she likes her work.
karen.
151729
after we were done, we went back to infanticide's hotel and had a bite before i headed home.
second first night: lopsided luck.
when we arrived in havana, we went through the usual,"this dog food is counter-revolutionary and needs to be confirep001ed" stuff in cuban customs. other than that, more or less painless.
we arrived at casa alberto to be greeted by an old friend. medellin bob was on the caribbean leg of his world tour and had been in havana for a week when we arrived.
casa alberto.
medellin bob owns a bed & breakfast for perverts in medellin. it's become an institution of colombian mongering over the years.
medellin mansion / casa blanca.
http://www.medellinmansion.com/
anyway.
we got settled in and caught up. we had decided on dinner and la cecelia. for dinner, we hit la cocina de lilliam. it's a gourmet restaurant in miramar, excellent.
once we arrived at cecelia, we secured a table and the festivities began. on this particular night, the ratio was severely lopsided in our favor. there were at least 5 working girls to every tourist. seriously. we interviewed many candidates, and eventually, infanticide and i headed home with our girls while medellin bob continued his research.
i picked a cute little mullata named sandra. she was thin, had perky little tits, and a cute smile. our agreement was for 60cuc for 2 rounds. she gave me two spirited rounds. but the second round, i couldn't reach the finish line, so i threw in the towel and gave sandra 70cuc for a solid effort.
sandra:
151730
151731
151732
third day: affirmative action.
we woke up very late on saturday and had breakfast. we did some simple stuff during the day and took naps in the late afternoon to recover from our late night.
for dinner, pac one had recommended a nice little italian place in miramar. pom apetite. it's a nice little spot that serves oven baked pizza, pasta, and a few other simple italian dishes. all for a pretty reasonable price.
once we got to cecelia, we decided to avoid the table mafia and grab a table in the very back. the back part of cecelia had no view of the stage. but it does have a view of the ladies' bathroom. where all the young ladies do laps and walk by to the ladies' room. it's also well lit, to avoid the "club lights" disappointment when you get her home.
after a somewhat lengthy interview process, i decided on an old favorite, to infanticide's dismay. we had a philosophical debate about pulling girls you had daytime access to, versus pulling new ass. but in the end, i pulled dyanna. dyanna is a hot mulatta with an excellent body. she is nothing short of amazing in the sack, and while there were plenty of suitable ladies to pull that evening, i simply wanted to stick my dick in dyanna.
dyanna.
151734
151735
151736
when dyanna left, i lit a victory cigar and waited for infanticide to finish with his lovely racist before comparing notes and calling it a night.
fourth day: delayed gratification.
the fourth day didn't start any earlier than the rest, breakfast at around noon, followed by camaraderie with infanticide and medellin bob.
at some point in the afternoon, we were sitting by the window and i saw in the distance two young ladies walking towards the building. we were on the 15th floor, but they looked good from afar. as they got closer, i got their attention and made a come-on-over waving motion and yelled "piso quince" (15th floor). i was shocked and tickled when i saw them enter the building. shortly afterward, they arrived. one was somewhat attractive with great tits, the other was ugly. we had some errands to run, so i made arrangements to meet them a little later.
after running some errands and paying a visit to pac one at his place in miramar, pac one's driver gave me a lift home. he stopped to get gas in front of my building and i saw the same two girls again. i asked her to come up in 15 minutes.
when deanna arrived, there was no mention of money. we got started, and while she was not my normal type of pull, i found her attractive and enthusiastic in bed. i finished the first round and we laid in bed and chatted for a while. i didn't think i'd be up for another round, as i had gone two rounds with dyanna the night before. but while we were talking, she mentioned she lived in the building with her grandmother. i asked her where, and she said the floor of a lady i'd rented an apartment from on previous visits. intrigued, i asked her who her grandmother was, she said her grandmother's name was gloria. gloria's a slightly odd lady who i'd rented an apartment from over the years. there was always a hassle with gloria for no good reason. my friends and i would arrive in the middle of the night to have her say she'd rented our rooms out to a walk in that day, often leaving us to scramble around for housing in the middle of the night with luggage in tow.
when i realized i'd just fucked gloria's granddaughter, some deviant streak came over me and i was able to gather my strength and go for a long, gratifying round of hot sex.
deanna may never find out that the second round was fueled by my desire to get even for the many slights gloria had caused me.
a night at gloria's apartment: 35cuc per room.
tip given to deanna after 2 rounds of bareback sex: 60cuc.
fucking gloria's granddaughter: priceless.
deanna:
151737
fourth night: hurt so good.
after a nap and dinner at the hotel nacional, we all hit salon rojo.
i had said i wouldn't be pulling, as i'd gone a couple rounds with dyanna, then another couple of rounds with deanna. but the guys were calling me a pussy and demanding i go along for our last night in town together. so i dragged my tired ass along. once we got to salon rojo, we were early and grabbed a table in the back to interview new friends.
we were having a good time, and i wasn't sure i could muster the libido to finish strong on our last night. i saw a girl who had a sweet, girl next door look and wanted to talk to her, regardless of my depleted condition. ale (short for a strange cuban name) sat down with us and i was charmed by her personality and struck by her modest beauty. ale works at the cuban museum of art during the day. she had a thin body with a great be cup in a nice sun dress. after talking to her for a while, i decided i'd give her a try and pay her regardless of my ability to perform.
once we got back to the apartment, ale's nice girl appearance gave way to a raunchy, give it to me attack mode. she was nothing short of amazing and surprisingly, i went not one, but two rounds with her. she was the star of the trip.
after she left, besides my absolutely agonizing beat up pelvic bones, and sore fuck muscles, i had "carpet burn" above my pelvic region from pounding out 6 leches in less than 24 hours.
ale.
151738
151739
overview and conclusions: urban renewal.
i'm amazed at the constant flow of new and amazing talent havana continues to deliver. it's a never ending factory of beautiful, carnally gifted women. someday, the secret will be out, and havana will be flooded with border town douchebags. but until that day comes, i'll continue to enjoy this magical place.
Rock Harders
06-09-11, 03:14
Mongers-
I was in Havana May 3rd- 8th as part of a month long traveling bit so now that I'm settled back in Buenos Aires it's time for the report. The first time I was in Cuba, back in November 2007, I rented a room in Centro Havana (see report) and let the casa owner find me girls and did the entire trip on the lower end of the economic scale. This time I am doing much better financially so I decided to rent an entire three bedroom in Siboney with a pool (details available via PM). I also rented a nice Audi from REX and also a 24 hour on-call driver (details available via PM) so I didn't have to worry about getting lost or drunk driving issues. The first time I was in Havana I was not impressed AT ALL by the quality of the ladies. This time was a completely different story as I was literally blown away at the quality and quantity of ladies available.
The first night (Wednesday, May 4th) my buddies and I had our driver take us to Salon Rojo, located in Vedado adjacent to the now closed Capri Hotel (as seen in The Godfather Part II, BTW). We arrived early, about 11pm and there were few men but about 100 or more chicas in attendance. I would rate the quality as very, very high; almost all light skin girls (my personal preference, generally) , all 18-25 years with, with generally lean, lithe figures. The girls were constantly coming up to the table asking if we wanted company and it was hard to resist but it was early so I told them we were going to drink a bit and then make our decision. The three of us managed to drinking 2 bottles of Havana Club 7 Anos so we were quite lit. After a few hours I was so drunk and pleasantly surprised at the quality and quantity that I agreed to take two girls home, just for me. The girls were close family friends (one blonde one brunette) , one about 25 and the other 19, from Holguin. The sex that transpired was truly amazing: bareback everything, the girls eating each other out while I took turns fucking which ever one I wanted, so good I was almost outside myself. We managed to do three sessions in a two hours. I paid the girls 100 Cuc each (80 agreed upon price plus 20 cuc tip for BBFS).
The next night we were tired and planned on going to Varadero for a day trip the next day so I just had to blonde come over for a few hours of great BBFS. She was trying very hard to get me to have her younger friend come over again but I was only up for one girl.
On Friday, May 6th we had our driver take us to La Cecilia, located in Miramar (I think) not very far at all from our house in Siboney. All I can say is WOW. There are very few meatmarkets in the world still standing that had the quality and quantity on display on this night. There must have been 300 girls working, with so many young hot girls on offer that it was very hard to choose. The show at La Cecilia was also quite entertaining as there was several live music acts and a fashion show. I ended up choosing a Beyonce Knowles look alike, a 20 year old stunner from Las Tunas. Price negotiated was again 80 Cuc. Back at the house, this girls was a really sweet and fun lover with BBFS no problem as we had sex like long lost novios. After the sex, she gave me a LONG caressing massage that had me wanting more.
Overall, I was extremely impressed with Havana. In my opinion, right now, Havana is the number one mongering destination in Latin America for those who want young, beautiful girls for relatively cheap who will do whatever you want and are amazing in the sack. I understand it is not what it was in the 90's, but believe me, after recent experience in Rio de Janeiro, Medellin, Cali, Buenos Aires, Asuncion, Santa Cruz de la Sierra etc Havana is the best experience I have had in a long, long time. The fact that it is not overrun with Wal-Mart gringos is probably a big factor in this. In some selfish way, I want the embargo to stay in place and for Havana to stay EXACTLY as it is so I can enjoy it.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Never pay the ask price especially in Cuba.
The girls probably had the nerve to ask you for cab fare too
Salon Rojo and la Cecilia are way tooooo expensive, these girls have a very bad attitude, when you are paying 80 cuc ore more, you are the sucker in their eyes, it's ok for a fuck, but nothing more. For instance 3 weeks Cuba, one day fuck. 80 x 21 days= 1680 cuc.
Mongers-
I was in Havana May 3rd- 8th as part of a month long traveling bit so now that I'm settled back in Buenos Aires it's time for the report. The first time I was in Cuba, back in November 2007, I rented a room in Centro Havana (see report) and let the casa owner find me girls and did the entire trip on the lower end of the economic scale. This time I am doing much better financially so I decided to rent an entire three bedroom in Siboney with a pool (details available via PM). I also rented a nice Audi from REX and also a 24 hour on-call driver (details available via PM) so I didn't have to worry about getting lost or drunk driving issues. The first time I was in Havana I was not impressed AT ALL by the quality of the ladies. This time was a completely different story as I was literally blown away at the quality and quantity of ladies available.
The first night (Wednesday, May 4th) my buddies and I had our driver take us to Salon Rojo, located in Vedado adjacent to the now closed Capri Hotel (as seen in The Godfather Part II, BTW). We arrived early, about 11pm and there were few men but about 100 or more chicas in attendance. I would rate the quality as very, very high; almost all light skin girls (my personal preference, generally) , all 18-25 years with, with generally lean, lithe figures. The girls were constantly coming up to the table asking if we wanted company and it was hard to resist but it was early so I told them we were going to drink a bit and then make our decision. The three of us managed to drinking 2 bottles of Havana Club 7 Anos so we were quite lit. After a few hours I was so drunk and pleasantly surprised at the quality and quantity that I agreed to take two girls home, just for me. The girls were close family friends (one blonde one brunette) , one about 25 and the other 19, from Holguin. The sex that transpired was truly amazing: bareback everything, the girls eating each other out while I took turns fucking which ever one I wanted, so good I was almost outside myself. We managed to do three sessions in a two hours. I paid the girls 100 Cuc each (80 agreed upon price plus 20 cuc tip for BBFS).
The next night we were tired and planned on going to Varadero for a day trip the next day so I just had to blonde come over for a few hours of great BBFS. She was trying very hard to get me to have her younger friend come over again but I was only up for one girl.
On Friday, May 6th we had our driver take us to La Cecilia, located in Miramar (I think) not very far at all from our house in Siboney. All I can say is WOW. There are very few meatmarkets in the world still standing that had the quality and quantity on display on this night. There must have been 300 girls working, with so many young hot girls on offer that it was very hard to choose. The show at La Cecilia was also quite entertaining as there was several live music acts and a fashion show. I ended up choosing a Beyonce Knowles look alike, a 20 year old stunner from Las Tunas. Price negotiated was again 80 Cuc. Back at the house, this girls was a really sweet and fun lover with BBFS no problem as we had sex like long lost novios. After the sex, she gave me a LONG caressing massage that had me wanting more.
Overall, I was extremely impressed with Havana. In my opinion, right now, Havana is the number one mongering destination in Latin America for those who want young, beautiful girls for relatively cheap who will do whatever you want and are amazing in the sack. I understand it is not what it was in the 90's, but believe me, after recent experience in Rio de Janeiro, Medellin, Cali, Buenos Aires, Asuncion, Santa Cruz de la Sierra etc Havana is the best experience I have had in a long, long time. The fact that it is not overrun with Wal-Mart gringos is probably a big factor in this. In some selfish way, I want the embargo to stay in place and for Havana to stay EXACTLY as it is so I can enjoy it.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
In Cuba the most you should pay a girl is 40cuc and that's to a really hot girl you guys should keep in mind that a DOCTOR in Cuba makes about 25cuc a month and when it comes to the taxi fare never never! Give them more than 5cuc. Taxis for Cubans are really cheap (for tourist 2) I am always reading reports of people paying up to 20cuc for a 3-4 mile ride that's no more than 4-5cuc. Some here said that you should never go for the first offer forget that never go for the first 5 offers what you have to do is set a price and stay at it (don't make it more than 40cuc) like this report said there were 100+ girls in this clubs and I bet you anything no more than 10-15 tourist you might see a lot of guys there but almost all of them are the girls pimp. So at the end of the day their choice is simple make 40cuc or try and get one of the 15 suckers paying up to 3 times the going rate because they don't know any better.
N yes I know what I am talking about I m Cuban I reside in the states but do travel to Cuba ones in a while. And if you guys haven't notice by now here is a little secret (not really a secret) EVERY single Person in Cuba is out to get you (tourist) if they see any weakens in you they won't hesitate to take advantage of you and get as mush $$$ as they can out of you and my people are great at this.
So yes Cuba can get expensive in a hurry but only if you are a sucker and allow it to happen. Showing off in Cuba is not a smart thing to that only confirms that you are a sucker and they will probably rob you. But even after all this and all the other bullshit that you have to put up with in Cuba, with a little of common sense, caution and knowledge Cuba is a GREAT vacation / mongering spot they Cuban woman love to party and really enjoy fucking (practice makes the master and that all they do in Cuba).
I have a trip coming up in July I will make a report and post prof of some of the stuff I try to explain here I will take some video / pic of it)
Take care and Happy Hunting.
Salon Rojo and la Cecilia are way tooooo expensive, these girls have a very bad attitude, when you are paying 80 cuc ore more, you are the sucker in their eyes, it's ok for a fuck, but nothing more. For instance 3 weeks Cuba, one day fuck. 80 x 21 days= 1680 cuc.
In Cuba the most you should pay a girl is 40cuc and that's to a really hot girl you guys should keep in mind that a DOCTOR in Cuba makes about 25cuc a month and when it comes to the taxi fare never never! Give them more than 5cuc. Taxis for Cubans are really cheap (for tourist 2) I am always reading reports of people paying up to 20cuc for a 3-4 mile ride that's no more than 4-5cuc. Some here said that you should never go for the first offer forget that never go for the first 5 offers what you have to do is set a price and stay at it (don't make it more than 40cuc) like this report said there were 100+ girls in this clubs and I bet you anything no more than 10-15 tourist you might see a lot of guys there but almost all of them are the girls pimp. So at the end of the day their choice is simple make 40cuc or try and get one of the 15 suckers paying up to 3 times the going rate because they don't know any better.
N yes I know what I am talking about I m Cuban I reside in the states but do travel to Cuba ones in a while. And if you guys haven't notice by now here is a little secret (not really a secret) EVERY single Person in Cuba is out to get you (tourist) if they see any weakens in you they won't hesitate to take advantage of you and get as mush $$$ as they can out of you and my people are great at this.
So yes Cuba can get expensive in a hurry but only if you are a sucker and allow it to happen. Showing off in Cuba is not a smart thing to that only confirms that you are a sucker and they will probably rob you. But even after all this and all the other bullshit that you have to put up with in Cuba, with a little of common sense, caution and knowledge Cuba is a GREAT vacation / mongering spot they Cuban woman love to party and really enjoy fucking (practice makes the master and that all they do in Cuba).
I have a trip coming up in July I will make a report and post prof of some of the stuff I try to explain here I will take some video / pic of it)
Take care and Happy Hunting.
Salon Rojo and la Cecilia are way tooooo expensive, these girls have a very bad attitude, when you are paying 80 cuc ore more, you are the sucker in their eyes, it's ok for a fuck, but nothing more. For instance 3 weeks Cuba, one day fuck. 80 x 21 days= 1680 cuc.
Rock Harders
06-10-11, 23:08
Mongers-
Looks like the Wal-Mart Gringo "price police" is at it again in full force. Guess what? $80 means nothing to me and I am not the type of guy who gets a thrill out of beating a girl down out of $20 or $30. What I want is bareback full service sex from the hottest and most willing girls on offer, and with my looks combined with my willingness to pay for it, I get it 99. 9% of the time whether I am in Brasil, Colombia, Argentina, Paraguay, Cuba or wherever. Lo and behold, the attitudes of the girls I found in Salon Rojo and La Cecilia were excellent and they were willing to do absolutely anything I wanted.
There is a high end to Cuba mongering that few on this board experience or at least do not post about; this includes renting luxury cars with driver, renting large expensive private houses with pools, and going to Salon Rojo / La Cecilia / etc, picking the girl / girls you want and not worrying about the money. I'd appreciate it if the peanut gallery did not complain because they are not willing and / or able to shell out the cash to enjoy this type of experience.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Sammytheman
06-11-11, 04:56
Mongers-
Looks like the Wal-Mart Gringo "price police" is at it again in full force. Guess what? $80 means nothing to me and I am not the type of guy who gets a thrill out of beating a girl down out of $20 or $30. What I want is bareback full service sex from the hottest and most willing girls on offer, and with my looks combined with my willingness to pay for it, I get it 99. 9% of the time whether I am in Brasil, Colombia, Argentina, Paraguay, Cuba or wherever. Lo and behold, the attitudes of the girls I found in Salon Rojo and La Cecilia were excellent and they were willing to do absolutely anything I wanted.
There is a high end to Cuba mongering that few on this board experience or at least do not post about; this includes renting luxury cars with driver, renting large expensive private houses with pools, and going to Salon Rojo / La Cecilia / etc, picking the girl / girls you want and not worrying about the money. I'd appreciate it if the peanut gallery did not complain because they are not willing and / or able to shell out the cash to enjoy this type of experience.
Suerte,
Rock HardersI have to say I kinda agree with you there Mr. Harders. When I was in Vedado, me and my pal rented a whole floor (see report) and the girls were amazed at our beautiful home. However if you play it smart you CAN get girls for cheap. Yes the club chicas charge a premium BUT they have to pay cover and bribe cops so at the end they might not make 80CUCs like people here assume. One girl was so sweet, she offered me sex for money in Salon Rojo but when I said "Tyo cayro la chica normal" or "I want a normal chick", she got the hint and money was not discussed further except a few beers and the entrance to an afterhours club. This one gorgeous chick in Casa de la Musica in Miramar would not go below $100CUC and she was being approached by men constantly. But then again if you have the money, I don't see why you shouldn't spend $100CUCs. Afterall you are on a fuckin vacation and want to be happy!
By the way, you had UNPROTECTED sex with random chicas???????
Hey, Rock Harders Thanks for the great honest report. Somehow it reminded me Sinatra's:
When I was thirty-five.
It was a very good year.
It was a very good year for blue-blooded girls.
Of independent means.
We'd ride in limousines.
Their chauffeurs would drive.
When I was thirty-five.
Some may feel envious of other BM dropping $600 a day or just pissed but hey, it keeps those gorgeous creatures in business.
And I can only concur, I have never seen such beautiful women.
Sex is the great obsession of my life. I'm on a mission to bed the world's most beautiful, most passionate women for as fair a price as I can get. But I don't owe anyone on this board, or any other for that matter, the quality of my vacation to stick my dick in a hound to save 20cuc when I just spent $1, 500 getting to Cuba.
I've seen some of the hideous pictures you hard negotiators post. So before you criticize, you should show us what you got for your 30cuc.
I've enjoyed beautiful. 25cuc pussy in a shitty apartment without running water, with a dog under one of the beds. Ok, that was fun. But I'm not going to settle for what's left in a primary club just to beat a girl out of a few bucks.
It'd be one thing if Rock posted pictures of ugly girls he paid premium prices for. But I'm very familiar with the places he went, and he paid going rate or slightly more. Slightly being 10cuc.
It's all relative. I don't drink, to me it's silly to pay an 80cuc bar tab and then haggle with a really hot girl over 20cuc.
I'm standing with Mr. Harders on this one. You're welcome to hang with me anytime.
Mongers-
Looks like the Wal-Mart Gringo "price police" is at it again in full force. Guess what? $80 means nothing to me and I am not the type of guy who gets a thrill out of beating a girl down out of $20 or $30. What I want is bareback full service sex from the hottest and most willing girls on offer, and with my looks combined with my willingness to pay for it, I get it 99. 9% of the time whether I am in Brasil, Colombia, Argentina, Paraguay, Cuba or wherever. Lo and behold, the attitudes of the girls I found in Salon Rojo and La Cecilia were excellent and they were willing to do absolutely anything I wanted.
There is a high end to Cuba mongering that few on this board experience or at least do not post about; this includes renting luxury cars with driver, renting large expensive private houses with pools, and going to Salon Rojo / La Cecilia / etc, picking the girl / girls you want and not worrying about the money. I'd appreciate it if the peanut gallery did not complain because they are not willing and / or able to shell out the cash to enjoy this type of experience.
Suerte,
Rock Harders
Hello, fellows.
I go every year to Cuba thus I know little.
Without ambage I pay the girls with whom I take out 100 cuc all inclusive. I have never paid the girls 25 or 30 cuc because I like helping them and I do not conceive the girls as a product but as a girlfriend which I can call back next year or 3 years later. I am considered as somebody generous and the girls comply in 4 to please me. Thus when I arrive to Cuba I have all that I want because my ex girlfriend always has friends. I thus have a well supplied address book!
All right a doctor gains 25 cuc but one working girl of jeans (fashion) is worth 40 cuc an entrance limps with it 10 or 15 cuc and the best restaurants are paid by cuc.
The girls who make a good living from 1500 till 2500 cuc a month are considered as yumas! Then they have to pay others cubans.
I'm not very rich, but we are on vacation and considering this, I don't have to much time to waste,
I don't have time to go to the sales, but if I meet a girl several times then I am going to ask to lower the prices otherwise I stop the relation. It is simple, I oblige nobody I leave her the choice and I win in authenticity because if the girl doesn't carry me of interest then she is going to ask for the maximum and I throw her (yo la boto) , and if she begins to feel good with me then she is going to lower the price sometimes to 40 cuc a day and there, we spend good holidays.
Member #4250
06-11-11, 15:03
But no, you are selling a false argument when you say you pay more for high end quality. Totally false. The fact is in Cuba you can easily get that quality at normal prices. They have just found a way to rip you off and appeal to any show off tendencies you may have. In fact your 'high end' may be worse because it is more business and less GFE. Do normal and you get the real Cuba experience. The point some are making is that you can get a great apartment for 35 CUC and have GFE girls for 25-30 CUC, no need to paying more unless it appeals to some inner need you have IMHO. The suggestion you pay more and get beautiful girls while paying less gets un-beautiful girls and hence no pics is FALSE.
You are right in every way, these girls are sooooo "mechanical", I like so much the "real" cuban way, going to the provinces, walking on the "campo", talking to a woman who is cleaning "the patio" and 5 minutes later having the most incredible sex, when the marido is working in the fields. Jajajajaja. Going to Cuba since 1997, 2 times a year, I know what I am talking about. This has nothing to do with money, I also rented sometimes a house with swimmingpool in Miramar, went to all the restaurants in Melia Cohiba or Melia Habana. Every time I come to Havana entering the same clubs and discos, it never attracted me because these girls can not compare with the ones I know in the provinces, they are plastic dolls but in a cuban way, ai papiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.
But no, you are selling a false argument when you say you pay more for high end quality. Totally false. The fact is in Cuba you can easily get that quality at normal prices. They have just found a way to rip you off and appeal to any show off tendencies you may have. In fact your 'high end' may be worse because it is more business and less GFE. Do normal and you get the real Cuba experience. The point some are making is that you can get a great apartment for 35 CUC and have GFE girls for 25-30 CUC, no need to paying more unless it appeals to some inner need you have IMHO. The suggestion you pay more and get beautiful girls while paying less gets un-beautiful girls and hence no pics is FALSE.
But no, you are selling a false argument when you say you pay more for high end quality. Totally false. The fact is in Cuba you can easily get that quality at normal prices. They have just found a way to rip you off and appeal to any show off tendencies you may have. In fact your 'high end' may be worse because it is more business and less GFE. Do normal and you get the real Cuba experience. The point some are making is that you can get a great apartment for 35 CUC and have GFE girls for 25-30 CUC, no need to paying more unless it appeals to some inner need you have IMHO. The suggestion you pay more and get beautiful girls while paying less gets un-beautiful girls and hence no pics is FALSE.Hi boys! Hi Lildick.
No I have never said that I paid more to have more attractive girls.
I pay more to have attractive girls more quickly and to be able to change with ease if necessary.
I already went out with girls not pros but even if they are attractive they are too much as ours namely:
They make us share the problems of their family, we have to accompany them to go shopping, wait for them when they go to the hairdresser, to visit their friend, to take the public guagua or the transport to visit the grandmother. In brief it is interesting but when we make (it) 2 or 3 times we are fed up.
I am new on this site I come from the another site wsa where I put photos since 2005. I'm a member of a congregation called "Sacred Fraternity of the Mons Veneris Habanerae" whose honorary president is Claudius JB a veteran of the 1998s.
It is true that I put fewer maintaining photos to protect our Cubanas because one of my Cuban girlfriends set 5 years of prison and I felt a little bit guilty because I had put her photo on wsa.
I went out with these both cubanas the same time: 100 cuc each. It was amazing.
152143
Always thank you for the pic, but I would like other members to quote these girls from 1 to 10.
I went out with these both cubanas the same time: 100 cuc each. It was amazing.
152143
Sammytheman
06-11-11, 19:11
Here is my little contribution.
Here is my little contribution.Ok fellow mongers let's go.
Ok fellow mongers let's go.Some cubanas
Member #4250
06-11-11, 22:31
I posted some pics recently too but on the photos thread of this forum, won't replicate here, but check it out if interested
My vote goes to LionPitch.
But I do believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Hummer Bird
06-12-11, 03:27
Some cubanasWOW!
Please tell us more about 805757.
She is stunning. How much what kind of service etc.
Thanks for all the fish!
Cheers.
HB
Sammytheman
06-12-11, 04:57
All 30 cucsN1616577212_88765_8762. Jpg.
Where did you meet this meaty beauty?
Member #4250
06-12-11, 05:30
My vote goes to LionPitch.Wow, can't believe you'd say that. Well, this loser is not now in any way motivated to post any more pics to the board.
My vote goes to LionPitch.
But I do believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hello, my friends!
Thank you for your support the lads, Lusifer69, Jonesie, Hummerbird, and the amateurs of Cubanas.
Well I would say that there is no winner. It is just my choice and my tastes and I respect all the grips, because we can go out with an average girl physically with a charm of hell, the main thing for us it is to go hunting, to drink, to eat, to have fun and to fuck while everybody has fun and I shall soon post photos of my last Trip in March. 2011.
Hello, to everybody!
152207
152208
WOW!
Please tell us more about 805757.
She is stunning. How much what kind of service etc.
Thanks for all the fish!
Cheers.
HBYou can meet her in the Cecilia, she is magnificent but too much professionelle. 80 cuc, she lives in Marianao.
152207
152208
You can meet her in the Cecilia, she is magnificent but too much professionelle. 80 cuc, she lives in Marianao. I have to say to you that both photos frame by a black frame, I owe them to a Canadian friend to whom I had presented this girl. As for other photo where I am with both girls my friend CLAUDIUS JB and there we were dining with these two girls in a magnificent restaurant of Havana.
Thanks to you Presidente
152216
Well a last small photo of a girl which I estimated (appreciated) a lot but which (who) had the bad idea to leave to Mexico three months ago.
Santa Clara, but she is like a hard drug, very intelligent, you fall in love with her in a second, these are the ones you must be carefull with.
N1616577212_88765_8762. Jpg.
Where did you meet this meaty beauty?
Look the GOLD chains, definitely one in the category " fuck her an then throw her away",
152207
152208
You can meet her in the Cecilia, she is magnificent but too much professionelle. 80 cuc, she lives in Marianao.
Look the GOLD chains, definitely one in the category " fuck her an then throw her away",You're right socio, but a real good fuck; every year one fuck with her but a real amazing good one. After sex, you can throw her. That is why I always book her towards 6pm having spent the afternoon with a GFE and before inviting a piece of new chica for the coming evening to the restaurant. Jajajajaja!
Santa Clara, but she is like a hard drug, very intelligent, you fall in love with her in a second, these are the ones you must be carefull with.Yep she's pretty but her boobs are false and I like only the nature and not the silicone.
They are real, trust me.
Yep she's pretty but her boobs are false and I like only the nature and not the silicone.
MiamiHeatLuver
06-12-11, 14:55
Unbelievable! Great job guys, please keep going! Flat stomachs, thin legs, fair, big natural boobs, pretty faces, You have single handedly made my decision to come to Cuba very soon, Its amazing how something so close can feel so far far away!
One of the hottest P4P I have ever seen period! N1616577212_88765_8762. Jpg.
Some more. Cim, owo, a-levels.
Unbelievable! Great job guys, please keep going! Flat stomachs, thin legs, fair, big natural boobs, pretty faces, You have single handedly made my decision to come to Cuba very soon, Its amazing how something so close can feel so far far away!
One of the hottest P4P I have ever seen period! N1616577212_88765_8762. Jpg.
They are real, trust me.No, sorry I don't believe in you! But well I can make a mistake.
You saw the ankles? Her wrists? Her constitution? I think that any girls' hunter would say to you what I say to you. And I bet that her boobs were firm.
Well we can ask to the other members for what they think of the boobs of this girl.
Member #4250
06-12-11, 15:55
Me too, I enjoy Lionpitch photos, they are great, thanks. But it is in no way a competition, but rather a sharing among mongers, but apparently my photos don't measure up, my apologies, won't happen again.
Lionpitch, any pics without the clothes?
Me too, I enjoy Lionpitch photos, they are great, thanks. But it is in no way a competition, but rather a sharing among mongers, but apparently my photos don't measure up, my apologies, won't happen again.
Lionpitch, any pics without the clothes? No sorry Golds I don't have any nude photos! Nunca! Never! Because on the other site I have 2 or three mongers who have lost their women, and their marriage is done. I am married and I can have on no account compromising photos. There what I put, these photos can have several interpretations if ever my wife falls above, I can always say that they are friends. The nudes are on my mind nowhere else.
Cheers
No sorry Golds I don't have any nude photos! Nunca! Never! Because on the other site I have 2 or three mongers who have lost their women, and their marriage is done. I am married and I can have on no account compromising photos. There what I put, these photos can have several interpretations if ever my wife falls above, I can always say that they are friends. The nudes are on my mind nowhere else.
CheersThis post is to Lildlick. (I'm a newbie here.)
This post is to Lildlick. (I'm a newbie here.)Sorry LILDICK
Lionpitch please check your privat messages.
Sorry LILDICK
CUC has an equal value of USD right? 1 CUC = 1 USD? I also noticed CUP which has a lot less value ie 30 CUP = 1. 15 USD.
Please clarify?
Sammytheman
06-12-11, 17:18
No, sorry I don't believe in you!I don't think Cubans can afford a silicone implant. Even if they could, they have WAY more needs than wants.
I don't think Cubans can afford a silicone implant. Even if they could, they have WAY more needs than wants.And you'll see chicas with butts and boobs with silicone; one night I asked one of them how did she pay for that; it's not very expensive around 200 cucs, she told me. For big boobs! Entonces dos dias de trabajo jajaja!
1cuc =.87usd at the current rate it use to be. 78. 80usd a few moths ago. You get a better rate if you do it in the streets but there are alot of fake bill going around so you better of doing it at a government place.
CUC has an equal value of USD right? 1 CUC = 1 USD? I also noticed CUP which has a lot less value ie 30 CUP = 1. 15 USD.
Please clarify?
The CUP is useless as a tourist.
CUC has an equal value of USD right? 1 CUC = 1 USD? I also noticed CUP which has a lot less value ie 30 CUP = 1. 15 USD.
Please clarify?
Here is a video of a club call Guanimar is located in Guanabo, I was there last year with a group of friends the club is not always this way but 95% of the girls in there are p4p at all times. They have a 3CUC cover charge and the beer are 1cuc a bottle of rum with 3 cans of soda limes and ice will cost you 12cuc, the girl like in Salon Rojo as soon as they see you are a tourist they will ask for 100cuc but the 2 girls that I toke home the first night cost me 20cuc the one I toke the last night cost me 30cuc. I didn't do mush that trip I was visiting family so I only had the first and last night to my self and my friends.
Ps the video is not mine. I found it because right after I came back to the states News here in Miami made a big deal out of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zezoGCphMUg
Here is a video of a club call Guanimar is located in Guanabo, I was there last year with a group of friends the club is not always this way but 95% of the girls in there are p4p at all times. They have a 3CUC cover charge and the beer are 1cuc a bottle of rum with 3 cans of soda limes and ice will cost you 12cuc, the girl like in Salon Rojo as soon as they see you are a tourist they will ask for 100cuc but the 2 girls that I toke home the first night cost me 20cuc the one I toke the last night cost me 30cuc. I didn't do mush that trip I was visiting family so I only had the first and last night to my self and my friends.
Ps the video is not mine. I found it because right after I came back to the states News here in Miami made a big deal out of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zezoGCphMUgWOW! That place looked hot! I'm going to Havana in August. If I wanted to party there, what night should I go and do I need to get a casa in Guanabo for the night?
WOW! That place looked hot! I'm going to Havana in August. If I wanted to party there, what night should I go and do I need to get a casa in Guanabo for the night?Well like all clubs The best nights will be Friday and Saturday. N yes if you get a casa there will be better Guanabo is a short 20 min ride from Havana but I don't think the girls would feel k commuting to Havana and back in the morning you should be able to get a 1room casa for 30cuc a day just go to the bars and ask the bartender for help finding a casa. I m going back to Havana / Guanabo at the beginning of July and we were able to find a 3room house for 45cuc a day (not per room for the hole thing) I will post pics of it when I get back on the 6th of July. I will alse get some business cards from the casas and post them. I almost forgot like I said in the other post what you see on the video doesn't happen all the time it is actuly rare. But the club it is always full of working girls. Let me know if you need any info on the place I will try to help you as best as I can.
BeersTerry
06-15-11, 19:11
Good luck.
Not only will it be fucking hot.
The Cubans will be holidaying and occupying alot of the housed in Guanabo, which means you will have to look hard for a casa. The good news is that the Cubans will be off and partying
I was there last August and yes it is hot but all the casas that are up for rent have ac and you have the beaches (and I am from Miami so the temperature is the same here we been having 96F-97F days this week) about finding a casa it is true a lot of Cubans take vacations during this time and they all like going to the beach but most of the good casas with ac charge 30cuc a day per room and 99% of the Cubans can't afford that. So like I said before and I did this my self last year because I went there with no casa reservation. If you get there and you decide that you want to spend more than a day, just go to the bars (there is one every other block) and ask the bartender for help getting a casa they will find one for you. They get a commission of your stay something like 5cuc per day you stay and if you want you just give him like 5-10cuc for the help.
Now if you are going to go to Guanabo stay close to. La Rotonda de Guanabo. The club is 2 blocks from it and there are dozens+++ of casa for rent all around that area.
Good luck.
Not only will it be fucking hot.
The Cubans will be holidaying and occupying alot of the housed in Guanabo, which means you will have to look hard for a casa. The good news is that the Cubans will be off and partying
Lucifer, did the casas allow girl visits or overnight stays?
What was the general vibe like, ie relaxed chicas not too scared of cops? Price ranges?
I'm thinking of returning to the island late July or August. A large amount of cubanas willing to make some spending money sounds like fun.
Huev.
Finding a nice chica friendly casa in Cuba is difficult.
Once you overcome this obstacle your vacation will greatly improve but its not easy. Many seasoned Cuba veterans will tell you that Cuba is not reccomended for the for first time traveler and this one of the main reasons.
Most casas in Havana will be occupied by the owner and tenants so " total" privacy is difficult.
95% of all casas posted on the internet fall into this category.
Chicochulo
06-19-11, 07:05
cuc has an equal value of usd right? 1 cuc = 1 usd? i also noticed cup which has a lot less value ie 30 cup = 1. 15 usd.
please clarify? cuc is the convertible peso and the exchange rate is posted at the airport or any of the government exchange booths rep001tered around havana. the cup is the currency cubans us. it's basically worthless so be careful when getting your change after a purchase. most of the time, you'll be short changed anyway but still examine the bills closely. the official exchange rate is 25 cup for 1 cuc.
Most of the casas are girl friendly just ask before you seal the deal. 99% of them will tell you that as long as the girls are 18+ there is no problem some of them even have a security guard that will check the girls I'd when you bring her to the casa. As far as the cops go Guanabo is really small most girl will party with you in the clubs and ones you come to an agree price and time they will ask you for the address and then they will meet you there or walk half a block behind you. But that's only at night time and when you are getting out of the clubs during the day they will hang out with you anywhere and the cops won't say anything. Is not like in Havana the cops here are really ez going we had one drinking beer with us last year ar beach he would do his little round true the beach and then come to our tent and drink a beer while talking to us he did that all day long.
Lucifer, did the casas allow girl visits or overnight stays?
What was the general vibe like, ie relaxed chicas not too scared of cops? Price ranges?
I'm thinking of returning to the island late July or August. A large amount of cubanas willing to make some spending money sounds like fun.
Thanks, I hope I can swing this trip.
I did a tour in January. 2 weeks and yes getting chica friendly casas was difficult, but mostly because of the circumsatnces of my trip.
CubanBorn87
06-24-11, 11:19
Hello everyone,
I am new to this board and had a couple of questions.
Where is the best place to pick up jineteras?
What is the rate? Per hour?
I am going to be staying at my dad's house and I am not sure if I want to bring jineteras to his house, what are my other options? Is there places where you can rent a room for a few hours?
As a newbie, any important information I need to be aware of?
It's been a while so I can't remember well, but how dificult would be to drive from 10 de octubre to malecon per example all on my own. Is it easy to get there? Do I need a map since I heard you can't use a gps?
I don't want to bring anyone with me that I know to pick up jineteras, is it safe going alone? What measures do I need to take?
Thanks so much guys, it is my first time so sorry for the stupid questions.
The Dirty Pirate
06-24-11, 23:00
Hello, everyone,
I am new to this board and had a couple of questions.
Where is the best place to pick up jineteras?
What is the rate? Per hour?
I am going to be staying at my dad's house and I am not sure if I want to bring jineteras to his house, what are my other options? Is there places where you can rent a room for a few hours?
As a newbie, any important information I need to be aware of?
It's been a while so I can't remember well, but how dificult would be to drive from 10 de octubre to malecon per example all on my own. Is it easy to get there? Do I need a map since I heard you can't use a gps?
I don't want to bring anyone with me that I know to pick up jineteras, is it safe going alone? What measures do I need to take?
Thanks so much guys, it is my first time so sorry for the stupid questions. In Havana:
Chicas from the street. 20. 40 CUC max.
Chicas from a disco, anything under 100 CUC and you're good, LOL, most will go for 60 in my experience.
I have noticed with Cubanas the whole hour thing is crap, if you can entertain them a bit at least they will hang out for a while. Of course things are different if you're going to be using some cama in a casa for a few CUCs.
Any chica you find should know a short term casa they can take you to for 5. 10 CUC if not a taxi will for sure.
I have never driven in Cuba so I can't help you on that, Havana is very easy to navigate on foot though.
CubanBorn87
06-25-11, 11:10
In Havana:
Chicas from the street. 20. 40 CUC max.
Chicas from a disco, anything under 100 CUC and you're good, LOL, most will go for 60 in my experience.
I have noticed with Cubanas the whole hour thing is crap, if you can entertain them a bit at least they will hang out for a while. Of course things are different if you're going to be using some cama in a casa for a few CUCs.
Any chica you find should know a short term casa they can take you to for 5. 10 CUC if not a taxi will for sure.
I have never driven in Cuba so I can't help you on that, Havana is very easy to navigate on foot though. Thanks for the info
CubanBorn87
06-27-11, 14:08
Quick question guys, I was amazed to see how many girls there are on badoo from havana. Are most of this profiles real?
Chicochulo
06-28-11, 09:29
From my experience, the cuban girls on Badoo are mostly IT students. They are called informaticas. They are the fortunate few that have some limited access to the internet thru yahoo espana (Spain) I have chatted with a few but none spoke any real english. Fortunately, I have intermidiate level spanish so, I was able to communicate well enough to carry on a conversation. It might be possible to pull one of these girls but I've never had any luck. Badoo is very slow and I found it a big waste of time trying to develop any real connection with the girls I did chat with. Good luck!
CC
CubanBorn87
06-28-11, 11:58
From my experience, the cuban girls on Badoo are mostly IT students. They are called informaticas. They are the fortunate few that have some limited access to the internet thru yahoo espana (Spain) I have chatted with a few but none spoke any real english. Fortunately, I have intermidiate level spanish so, I was able to communicate well enough to carry on a conversation. It might be possible to pull one of these girls but I've never had any luck. Badoo is very slow and I found it a big waste of time trying to develop any real connection with the girls I did chat with. Good luck!
CCLOL yeah I haven't had any luck either, so I think you are right
CubanBorn87
06-29-11, 03:08
Anyone with any girl's contact info that you recommend please pm me, from what I have heard is rough in havana right now LOL
PudongPete
07-05-11, 15:51
Guys,
Some great posts on here, and I am looking for some good mongering advice. It seems I may be at a disadvantage considering I am staying in a hotel (Melia Cohiba) on business for 5 days from the 9th until the 15th July. I have made a note of places like the cecilia from here, but any heads up on how to go about getting laid by a gorgeous chica considering I am staying in a hotel. Are there any girls hang out in this hotel, will I get chance to take one to my room considering the tourist police, is there a disco in the hotel. Finally anyone out there at the same time. Your thoughts and ideas would be apreciated. Thanks in advance, Pudong Pete. Sweating it out in Shanghai.
Guys,
Some great posts on here, and I am looking for some good mongering advice. It seems I may be at a disadvantage considering I am staying in a hotel (Melia Cohiba) on business for 5 days from the 9th until the 15th July. I have made a note of places like the cecilia from here, but any heads up on how to go about getting laid by a gorgeous chica considering I am staying in a hotel. Are there any girls hang out in this hotel, will I get chance to take one to my room considering the tourist police, is there a disco in the hotel. Finally anyone out there at the same time. Your thoughts and ideas would be apreciated. Thanks in advance, Pudong Pete. Sweating it out in Shanghai.It will cost you bring a girl to your room. Likely 50 CUC, I don't know if this a true number there, at least I asked girls and that what was told to me. You may see a girl or two inside this hotel in a lobby opposite the restaurant. At night go to a plaza across from the hotel. There are usually girls there but be nimble as there are cameras and it is easy for cops to spot you. There is Jazz Cafe
opposite at the mall and girls usually hide in dark corners off the staircase on the 2nd floor. Also try your luck at Copa Room on the
ground floor of the hotel.
BeersTerry
07-11-11, 00:47
Since you are in the Melia, you can hang at the Habana Cafe or even the Jazz Cafe across the street. Walk down along the malecon to the snack shack about 100 yards (or so) east of the Jazz Cafe. It is where alot of people / chicas hang at night.
every once in a while, i talk to guys about going to cuba, and they say "i'd really like to go before it changes".
90% of these guys will never see cuba, even after it changes.
i'd been talking to my buddy lucky13 about cuba, comparing it to costa rica and whatnot, and he said "i'd really like to go before it changes".
he called me one day and told me that he'd talked it over with his buddies, and they're in. so i walked him through the process of getting airline tickets, booking the house, and such. they insisted i go along, i explained that it was really hot in cuba in july and i didn't need to go yet for business. they bought my ticket and told me to find the nicest house in havana that would accommodate the three of them and me. well, i'd like to say i can't be bribed, but.
the flight was it's usual few minutes late, followed by the usual "why are you really here"? stuff with cuban aduana.
153946
first day: arrival and the bat phone.
for the trip, i reserved casa magda.
casa magda is a pre-revolution mansion in siboney. the owner magda, has restored the house to very pristine, almost neurotic splendor. she is just a little obsessive about the cleanliness of the place. but i suppose i prefer that to indifference.
being as i was staying on the arm, i picked the smallest room that was positioned between the south wing and the pool, as to give access to all the guys who would need help while we were there.
after settling in, the guys were asking me to call over some talent. so i called a few friends over for a cultural exchange with my buddies.
one by one, the girls arrived and they were making fast friends with the fellas. as the guys retired to their rooms to study cuban culture, ali arrived a little later than the others and promised she could polish my spanish up to where it needed to be.
ali is a really sweet girl with a fantastic thin body, with great b cup natural tits. her skills are beyond her years. two pops. 70cuc, and a few ounces of sweat later, she thanked me and went to catch her taxi home.
ali.
153949
153948
153947
153950
153951
there was one girl i had in my phone that i couldn't remember what she looked like. but i trust myself enough to know if she's in my phone, she's cute. she showed up and showed one of the guys a good time.
153952
153953
153955
once we got all the ladies on their way, we headed to dinner at la fontana.
what i haven't mentioned, is that aside from lucky13, the guys were both over 60. so as i was giving the guys their option as to where to seek love on this particular night, one of the guys suggested bed as an option. so our first night came to an early end.
second day: obispo patrol.
we got up and had breakfast, then started plotting our day. first, we got a cab to obispo for a walk through old havana. about halfway through the walk, i ran into a girl i'd seen a couple years back, dayana. i got her number and told her i'd call her later. the older guys were struggling with the walk, so we rented bicycle taxis back to the capitolio and headed home to call some more talent over.
i called a few girls over to entertain the guys while i took a nap. when i woke up, i called dayana over. she brought an ugly friend, why do they do that?
my buddy lucky13 volunteered to fall on that grenade (without me asking).
dayana reminded me why i had deleted her number. mediocre, non-cuban like sex, and instead of asking for a taxi, she asked for a pullover to sleep in. i banged her again in the morning and sent her on her way.
dayana.
153956
third day: old favorite.
we woke up on the third day and decided to take a tour of the cigar factory. a tour i've taken all too many times.
afterward, the old guys wanted to go home and take a nap.
after they woke up, i called a few more girls over to keep the guys entertained. i explained to the guys that a huge part of why havana was so much fun was the nightlife. it was day three, and friday night, and i was beginning to feel like i was in a convalescent home with hookers. so one of the guys decided to tag along to salon rojo, as the rain had forced closure of la cecelia.
we arrived at salon rojo to find it hopping. tons of beautiful girls and few tourists. i walked my friend a few laps and helped translate the ladies' sincere overtures, then settled into a corner near the entrance. i spotted an old favorite that i hadn't seen in a long time. we caught up and i decided i'd pull her. i asked my friend if he'd seen anything that had his interest, he said he was tired and wanted to call it a night.
mary has been on my rotation for a couple years. hot body, pretty face, naughty skills, and a sweet disposition. she came over and reminded me why she was on my rotation.
mary.
day four: late arrival.
it was saturday, after breakfast, i called over a few ladies for the guys. the old guys were slowing down and there was one girl that arrived a few minutes later than the others while the guys were in their rooms.
maria antonia has been a fan favorite for a few months for my buddies, so i figured i'd see what all the hype was about. she's a naughty girl and loves being rode hard. her number stays in my phone.
maria antonia.
third night: me tarzan, you jane.
after an afternoon nap and dinner prepared by the house, we discussed night time options. i repeatedly recommended la cecelia, but was outvoted in favor of salon rojo. i knew with la cecelia open, salon rojo would be a shadow of the previous night. ahhh democracy.
as we were waiting for our taxis, the two old guys got inpatient and took sleeping pills and decided to call it a night. about a minute later, the taxis arrived. we grabbed them and threw them in taxis and took them to salon rojo. we set up at a table and immediately, about 25 girls encircled our table. apparently, the rules at salon rojo forbid them from sitting down with us unless invited. it reminded me of all the vampire shows where the vampires can't enter the home without permission.
about a half hour into our evening, the sleeping pills started to kick in and the old guys were fading fast. apparently, their vision was badly impaired, judging by the girls they were talking to. one of the guys was so dosed, he seemed to be moving in slow motion. he bought pretty much every girl near us a rose, pretty, ugly, and pretty ugly, all received roses tonight.
it occurred to me that i hadn't pulled a mulatta yet on this trip. being the equal opportunity monger that i am, i settled on a pretty mulatta named dyana.
i needed to get the guys out of there before they collapsed, so it was time to go, now.
once we were back at our place, dyana was an animal in the sack. we agreed to 2 pops for 70cuc. the first round, she did this thing at the very bottom of my nut sack that drove me crazy. followed by a vigorous riding before switching positions. while i had her in missionary, she kept telling me to speed up. while i was driving her like a jack hammer, she slapped the shit out of me. breaking my concentration momentarily. i decided i needed to get my leche before someone (me) got hurt.
after the first round, she rinsed of and took a shower, came out and started getting dressed. i reminded her of our 2 pop deal. she pulled off her panties and told me "you can have it, if you can come take it". oh shit.
part of me was tempted to hand her some money and be done with it. on the other hand.
i grabbed dyana, picked her up, and slammed her on the bed. did something that would resemble a wrestling move, and pinned her against the bed while propping one of her legs over my shoulder. i finally managed to penetrate her and have a round of somewhat wild and painful (to me) sex with her biting and pulling my hair.
alas, i was able to blow a nut inside her while she grabbed me and gave me a tight hug and kiss while i drained in her.
this is not the kind of sex you can have very often. things will get broken, bruises will be distributed, etc. but it's fun on rare occasion. afterward, a few pictures were taken. bear in mind, these pictures were taken after a couple rounds of rough sex, and do not do her justice.
dyana.
overview and conclusions:
this was an unusual trip. i had a few guys with mewho's dynamic changed the way i would normally do a trip. the limited nightlife, the location of the house, my obligation to their enjoyment, and other things all factored into the experience.
casa magda is a phenominal house. more so being in cuba. it's expensive, and it's location in siboney almost dictates you will need to either rent a car, or have a driver. the staff in the house was new, so things like breakfast and lunch involved more time than would normally be involved.
the guys live in a mansion in costa rica that's located walking distance to the sportsmen's lodge. meaning they have a unique situation in san jose. bringing the expectations they've come to expect from their situation in costa rica to cuba could only invite frustration. not that it wasn't warranted at times.
also, it rained heavily much of the time, minimizing the value of a house with a pool.
despite all the twists and turns of playing tour guide and logistical snares, i still had a pretty good time. but i think it would be important to have an agenda / game plan ready, rather than letting cuba newbies lead you around.
Hello, Mr. Jonesie. I'm going to visit with in days any advise or can you give me some tips. Give me the run down.
Jonsie,
How would you describe the current environment outside of the clubs.
I'm considering a vacation but not interested if streets are packed with tourists and police.
Thanks
But my email is [Email address deleted by Admin]
EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove email addresses in the text. Please do not post email addresses in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!
CubanBorn87
07-13-11, 12:54
Jonesie check your pm chief
Hey jonesie,
Can you give me the heads up on Cuba threw here because I'm not a full member.
FoxesHunter
07-14-11, 13:11
Hi, I don't know the Caribbean at all.
I'd like to know your suggestions if you know both Cuba and Dominican Republic.
I inform you I will have 10-12 free dys and I speak fluent spanish.
I'd like to know:
1) Where is it easier to fuck regular or semi-pro beautiful girls?
2) I'd like to stay at my room many hours every day, is Cuba or DR my goal?
3) Is Cuba less expensive than DR for mongering and living (10 days)?
4) I like very much to know happy girls. Where can I get more happy girls (Cuba or DR)?
5) Where is it easier to take pictures to naked girls?
6) Where is it easier to book a furnished flat?
Thanks for your precious news.
Fox
Hi, I don't know the Caribbean at all.
I'd like to know your suggestions if you know both Cuba and Dominican Republic.
I inform you I will have 10-12 free dys and I speak fluent spanish.
I'd like to know:
1) Where is it easier to fuck regular or semi-pro beautiful girls?
2) I'd like to stay at my room many hours every day, is Cuba or DR my goal?
3) Is Cuba less expensive than DR for mongering and living (10 days)?
4) I like very much to know happy girls. Where can I get more happy girls (Cuba or DR)?
5) Where is it easier to take pictures to naked girls?
6) Where is it easier to book a furnished flat?
Thanks for your precious news.
FoxJust got back from 2 weeks in Havana-here's my thoughts:
1) Cuba has hotter girls but most are professional although they will try to fool you. Remember, regular girls that fuck for money are Pros.
2) Cuba has energy concerns-its hot as hell all summer so expect to lose your AC once in a while. Restricted Television in Cuba outside of hotels-only state ran TV.
3) Cuba is way more expensive-probably double (cabs girls, food, airport fees etc.
4) Thats all up to you-happy is very subjective and can change quickly.
5) Prostitution is illegal in Cuba-taking naked pictures is very dangerous for the girls. Going to jail is a real possibility for the girls.
6) Both places are easy with contacts.
Good Luck
FoxesHunter
07-14-11, 22:48
Sabalo,
Thanks for your interesting reply.
Where would you go again? Do you like more Cuba or Dominican Republic?
Sabalo,
Thanks for your interesting reply.
Where would you go again? Do you like more Cuba or Dominican Republic?Based on your listings of criteria I would choose DR over Cuba. However if you speak fluent Spanish you can't beat Medellin. It has everything your looking for
Intro:
The summer heat has set in upon Havana. Many tourist scrapped their plans and there are far less tourists to chicas.
First, I'll say that I'm a very poor photographer. If I had better enthusiasm with a camera, my photos would bring much higher ratings than they do. The women I rent deserve better representation than they get from my shots.
Every time I think I want to slow down my Cuba travel, I go and am reminded how amazing Cuban pussy really is. The amazing all natural bodies, sexual appetite and outright enthusiasm in bed of the Cuban women make Cuba a habit too hard to break. I've been told by friends Brazil is even better. I'll have to test that theory out soon.
This trip, I went with a friend who looks like a thug. Truth be told, he kinda' is. So we got jammed up in customs for a couple hours while they thoroughly checked him over. They meaning aduana, dogs, machines, etc. Which meant we didn't get into Havana until about 2:30am. We swung by a couple of places, but things seemed to be winding down by the time we got there.
The last couple of trips, I went with people who insisted on doing things first class, which is neither easy or cheap in Cuba. This time, I was back at the 35CUC a room penthouse in El Vedado. More or less my comfort zone. Not only is it easier on the budget, it's more centrally located and allows for better movement around in taxis and such. As an American, I have little access to money beyond the wad of cash I bring with me. So I'm forced to monitor my funds more closely as to not get into a jam or cut my fun short. Last trip, I screwed up and spent too much money and had to borrow money from a Cuban friend of mine. Whether it be by poor planning or bad negotiating, it's pretty embarrassing to ask a Cuban for money.
Casa Alejandro.
First Night. Late Night Delivery.
After checking in at the Casa, we went out on a desperate search at 3am to salvage what was left of the night. We swung by Salon Rojo, a few girls were still there, but nothing meeting approval, so we went home.
I got on the phone and started calling old favorites. After a few calls, I got a hold of Mary, she was in a cab on her way home from not being picked at Johnnie's and was able to come by and put out the first night fire.
Mary was / is great in bed. Enthusiastic and creative. I simply love the Cuban version of Cowgirl. I did her on a couple pieces of furniture and in a few different positions. Always an excellent choice.
Mary.
154223
154224
154225
Second Day: Lazy Days.
We woke up the second day kind of worn out. I had to wait around for a while to do the cigar business before I was free to go eat. Afterward, we headed to La Roca for lunch. Fairly reasonable, decent food, good location.
La Roca.
After lunch, we headed back to the apartment for a nap. When I woke up, I called Mary back over and told her to bring a friend for my buddy.
Second Night. Tough Negotiations.
We had dinner before going out at Los Nardos in Old Havana.
Afterward, we went to Salon Rojo, I should have known that the 30CUC cover would keep all the ho's out. Went in, there was a little talent, but the place was still not what I remembered it to be, so we left and went to the Casa de la Musica instead.
By the time we arrived, it was after 2am and the place was only half full. Still a nice stock of honeys, and barely any guys for them to prey on.
At first, Maybel wouldn't go below 100CUC. She then walked a few laps with little interest, as there were at least 100 chicas still in the club and about 15 tourists. I stood at the bar as she did several revolutions and offered her 60CUC. Thinking she would counter with 70CUC. She got insulted and walked away, refusing to talk to me further. By this time. 5 of the 15 remaining gringos had left with chicas.
Apparently, socialized education doesn't include math.
As I was working out terms with another chica, she said 60CUC would be fine.
I gave Maybel 5CUC for a taxi to my place, but she arrived in a pirate' taxi and tried to tell me her fare was 15CUC. On the meter, the ride costs just under 3CUC. I told her to have a good night and walked towards the elevator. I figured I'd just call a few numbers and get some more delivery going.
As I got to the elevator, she told me it was fine and not to worry about it. I responded that I didn't want her anymore and she asked me for 10CUC more to get back into the disco. After laughing, I hit the elevator door and she told me we could do whatever I wanted, I told her the new price was 50CUC, she agreed.
Maybel is much prettier than these pictures, and her body is much nicer. She speaks decent english and is actually amazing in bed. However fucked up, dishonest, and downright scizoprenic these chics are, Cuban girls bring their "A Game" to the party.
After being a pain in my ass, I figured I'd be a pain in hers. She was resistant at first to the idea of anal sex, I reminded her that she said we could do ANYTHING I wanted. Her reply was "suavisito". After gently working my way in, I built up rythem and was corn-holing her with a vengeance. After a while, she seemed to be enjoying herself. I finally busted my nut and we cleaned off in the shower together. She washed my package and dried me off. When we went back into the bedroom, she asked me if I wanted to go again. As I had been a round a couple hours before her, I passed. I gave her a well earned 60CUC, plus 5CUC for her taxi and she was in the elevator.
Maybel.
154226
154227
154228
154229
I had told my friend about my adventure, and he told me he wouldn't mind going a round or two with her. As luck would have it, she called the next day and asked if I wanted her to come over. I said sure, and had her come by.
When she arrived, I pointed her to my friend and he was off to have an adventure with her of his own.
Day 3: Switcheroo.
We woke up and had breakfast in the casa on day 3. Breakfast is always a challenge in Havana. Havana is a late night town, and breakfast options are somewhat limited. Afterward, I called a few numbers, I told the girl to bring a friend for my friend. When they arrived, I went down to let them in. I noticed that the girl my girl brought was cuter than her, so I assigned my girl to my friend, and took the flaca for myself. A dirty trick, I know, but sometimes it pays to be first. Jennifer was a fun girl. After a little of the usual pay first / pay after nonsense, she settled in and delivered a pretty nice session.
Jennifer.
154231
154230
154232
After Jennifer left, I took a shower and began packing. When my friend finished, we headed to the airport for our trip back to Costa Rica. Another fine adventure.
Havana vs. Medellin.
One of the things I've been thinking about alot lately is whether I like Havana or Medellin better.
Both places are amazing places to find gorgeous ass. But there are sharp differences between the two and contrasting qualities.
The ease of Medellin and makes it a more convenient option. The food is better in general, and Americans have an easier time getting there.
BUT. As a general rule, the Cubanas bring their "A Game" every single time out. While your likely to get an A+ novia type in MDE, your not going to get that type of consistency. Add to that just about every single girl in Cuba you see is an option, The absolute lack of any type of violent crime, and it's guarantee to be the ultimate change of scenery.
Yes, your going to have a tough time finding a big mac or a starbucks, but I'm happy to steer you towards some great restaurants.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Medellin. It's a great city with great nightlife, great restaurants, and a fertile P4P scene. Not to mention the paisas are some of the planet's most beautiful ladies. But while your Paisa novia is less likely to cheat on you, she most likely won't rock your cama like a Cubana will every single time out.
I'm sure all you old Veradero guys make a great argument about how amazing it used to be when you could get a girl for all night for $15, but that was the special period. The price was dictated by the times.
There is an argument to be made that Medellin has everything laid out for you. You can get money in the ATMs, and you can get there using miles. But having two girls french kissing at the head of your dick isn't a bad consolation prize.
BeersTerry
07-19-11, 19:14
Always a great read Jonesie, we will have to hook up sometime in Havana.
I had foresaken Havana for Medellin for about a half dozen trips and agree with everything you say. Though now I go west when in Colombia. Sex is a business transaction, period in Medellin whereas in Cuba it is life.
Don't know who's thread it was that I read long ago but I am tempted to rent a RV and do a mobile stabbin' cabin type trip through Cuba one of these days.
Next trip will have to be December/January as it is too fcuking hot in Cuba right now.
Prelude:
On a Tuesday afternoon, my buddy, who also happens to be my best cigar client, called and asked for 12 boxes of Cohiba Behike 56. For those of you non-aficianados, this cigar is the most expensive and sought after cigar on the planet. Hard to locate in that quantity, inside or outside of Havana.
First, I had to call around Havana, Partagas, El Laguito. 5th Avenue. A box here, two boxes there. But they can't be put on hold, I'the need to go to Havana, and quick.
No flights before Friday, none returning before Tuesday. Housing was equally as tricky. Alejandro was out of town, Alberto had a room for 2 nights, Isabella the other two.
Casa Alberto:
Casa Isabella:
August is not the best month to go to Cuba. Besides being miserably hot, The island is overrun with Mosquitos and Italians. When I say Italians, I don't mean the Roman Empire or anyone who may have been associated with John Gotti, I mean swarms of closet-case metrosexuals, descending like locusts on Havana. Crowding restaurants and discos with their tacky, uneducated chicas.
Arrival and First Night:
The flight out of San Jose was delayed about an hour. Arriving over an hour late to Havana, as we were landing, the announcement came over the in-flight speaker 'This has been another flight operated safely and on-time by Taca airlines'. Awesome. At least customs was gentle this trip.
I finally arrive in Havana to casa Alberto. I turned on the A / C and unpacked. I took a shower and called over a girl I'the met on a previous trip that I'the been meaning to session with.
Libia arrived looking lovely. She delivered a great session, taking my mind off of the Havana heat for at least a little while.
Libia.
156032
156033
156034
After Libia left, I took a shower and a nap. After I woke up, I met a friend for dinner and headed over to La Cecelia. While in line, Carla arrived and stood behind me. I'the been meaning to do Carla for some time. I realized I'the probably pull her at some point, so I decided to save us both the entrance fee and grab her and head home.
La Cecelia.
Carla has a ridiculous body. Thin waste, great ass, and unbelievable natural tits. As an added bonus, she's a freak in the sack. She gave me a fantastic blow job, and amazing sex. Once she left, I took another shower and went to sleep in the air conditioned comfort of Casa Alberto. As I drifted off, I thought about how much I absolutely loved Havana.
Carla.
156035
156036
156037
Second Day: Striking out.
I woke up and had breakfast in the casa. I ran around Havana and began gathering cigars to assemble the order I'the been sent for. After a while, I was so sweaty I headed back to the casa for a shower and a nap. I woke up and started calling numbers to get some entertainment to come over. A couple of old favorites were in the campo at their respective homes. A few more didn't have phone credit. I called one girl over that I'the had on a prior trip, but when I opened the door, a different, unattractive girl was standing there. Which I promptly sent away. I called another, who came over, but then asked for 20cuc for her taxi from Centro Havana (2km away). Another one sent away.
Finally, I gave up, as it was now early evening and almost time to go out. I grabbed dinner at La Fontana and headed to La Cecelia. La Cecelia was it's usual, incredible self. Lots of options. I finally settled on a 19 year old from Holguin.
La Cecelia.
Maria and I headed to my casa. Once we got into the casa, things started up nicely. Until she got undressed. Maria was in full flow of her period. She insisted it wouldn't be a problem. Really? For who?
Maria was sent into the night with 5cuc and my disdain.
I went to bed on the second night thinking how much I hated Havana and all it's bullshit.
Maria.
156038
Third Day: Back to Basics.
I woke up on day three and had breakfast in the casa. I thought of my options, then decided I needed to get my mojo back with some trusted and reliable companionship. So I called over Yayi. Yayi has a perfect body, a great personality, and is always fantastic in bed.
Yayi came over, delivered her predictable fantastic performance, and left me to take a shower and a nap. I woke up thinking, 'Havana ain't so bad. '
Yayi.
156039
156040
Third Night: Cause the boyz in the hood are always hard.
After dinner at Bom Apetite, I went to Salon Rojo.
Bom Apetite.
Salon Rojo.
I arrived early at 11:30, the chicas were still trickling in. I did a few laps and surveyed the more than ample talent. The talent only got better as the evening went on. A couple of Russians provided the entertainment of the evening. Trying to smoke pot in the men's room. The smell permeated throughout the disco. They came out to security insisting they stay put while police entered the disco and escorted them back into the bathroom. I'm guessing for a search and / or bribe discussions. Maybe they didn't have sufficient funds, as they were let out in handcuffs.
I did quite a few laps and discussed options with several more than qualified candidates. Finally settling on a tall blonde from Avila named Lisandra. I got Lisandra home and immediately she insisted on being paid first. I told her that wouldn't happen. We went back and forth, both of us insisting we never relent. Eventually, I told her she could leave. As she walked to the door, she relented. Insisting this was the absolute first time ever.
As the clothes came off, she asked for the condom, I told her it would be on the night stand when she finished the blowjob. She insisted she NEVER gives blowjobs without a condom. I again offered her the door. She started putting on her clothes, then relented. Saying how lucky I was to be the first to get an uncovered blowjob. But blow me uncovered she did.
Once the sex started, she started with the 'hurry up, I have to leave', so I pounded her viciously for the next 40 minutes until I finally came and my sweat was making her make-up run.
While getting dressed, she insisted I owed her more for the uncovered blow job, and for fucking her so long and hard. I told her she should be getting less for the non-stop chatter and being a general pain in the ass. I took a well needed shower and went to sleep.
Lisandra.
156041
Day 4: Mighty Mouse.
When I woke up on day four, I had completed everything I'the come to Havana to do. So I lounged around a while. I had a smoke and a nap after breakfast. I called Lily's number, only to hear an unfamiliar voice on the other end. At first, I thought it was the wrong number, until she asked if I'the like company. Thinking I had nothing to lose, I told her to come over, I was careful to call her Lily, just in case it really was her, or in case the girl arriving was ugly, I could send her off.
Yerlin arrived and looked good. But she looked very short as she walked up. As she got into the elevator, she couldn't be more than 4'9. 4'10. That, and the very young looking face compelled me to ask her for her carnet. She was almost 20. I looked closely to see if anything had been altered on her carnet, but she was legit. I would put her weight about 85lbs.
Once we got undressed, her body was proportionate to her frame. Ample tits, although small. Cute face, very aggressive sexually. Actually, she was the most aggressive of the trip. She did every naughty thing I could think of, and a few I couldn't. I gave her 50cuc and she seemed happy about it.
Yerlin.
Fourth Night: Again with the Neighbors?
A couple trips prior, I had done one of the neighbor's granddaughters. As I was getting home from dinner, I had planned to change clothes and go back to the Salon Rojo. A neighbor from across the hall was in the elevator. This neighbor was reasonably attractive and had a decent body. She had seen me on several occasions with one of my girls going up in the elevator. She asked where my chicas was, I told her I was going out, and would have one shortly. I asked her if she was jealous, she said a little. She said she knew all of those girls left with money, and she was broke. So like a dumbass, I invited her over. She accepted my invitation. To be fair, Rosaria isn't a girl I would pull from the Salon Rojo, but she was attractive, and she was convenient.
Rosaria delivered two sessions worthy of respect. When we were finished, she asked if 30cuc would be reasonable. I said it would be more than fair.
Rosaria.
Overview and Conclusions:
If August is your only option for going to Havana, make the best of it. There is plenty of talent to be had with less competition than usual. Italians tend to like their women on the darker side, leaving most of the light skin or white girls unmolested. If you can pick when you go, wait until October through April when the climate is pleasant.
My mood and attitude towards Havana seemed to be directly connected to how much I got laid. Maybe I'm getting cranky in my old age, but I either love or hate Cuba depending on my luck with the ladies.
I tend to enjoy myself more when I have a good wingman. But there were none available this trip, so I made the best of it.
I'll no doubt be back fairly soon, but I'm hoping my clients can wait until October.
BeersTerry
08-15-11, 01:31
The last guy I know of that got caught with pot spent a couple of months in jail and eventually got out for about $12, 000.
HINT: Jamaica is a couple of islands over, no one will bother you. Unless you try to bring it back.
Very funny with Lisandra.
The Dirty Pirate
08-15-11, 02:30
Nice report Jonesie, I banged Libia on my last trip, she still looks good. I am hoping to get back soon, my humidor is half empty.
Loved your reviews and writing style. I m going to be in havana for a week (sept 15. 22). I can't wait. .
Prelude:
On a Tuesday afternoon, my buddy, who also happens to be my best cigar client, called and asked for 12 boxes of Cohiba Behike 56. For those of you non-aficianados, this cigar is the most expensive and sought after cigar on the planet. Hard to locate in that quantity, inside or outside of Havana.
First, I had to call around Havana, Partagas, El Laguito. 5th Avenue. A box here, two boxes there. But they can't be put on hold, I'the need to go to Havana, and quick.
No flights before Friday, none returning before Tuesday. Housing was equally as tricky. Alejandro was out of town, Alberto had a room for 2 nights, Isabella the other two.
Casa Alberto:
http://*************.com/f353/casa-alberto-454/
Casa Isabella:
http://*************.com/f353/casa-isabella-248/
August is not the best month to go to Cuba. Besides being miserably hot, The island is overrun with Mosquitos and Italians. When I say Italians, I don't mean the Roman Empire or anyone who may have been associated with John Gotti, I mean swarms of closet-case metrosexuals, descending like locusts on Havana. Crowding restaurants and discos with their tacky, uneducated chicas.
Arrival and First Night:
The flight out of San Jose was delayed about an hour. Arriving over an hour late to Havana, as we were landing, the announcement came over the in-flight speaker 'This has been another flight operated safely and on-time by Taca airlines'. Awesome. At least customs was gentle this trip.
I finally arrive in Havana to casa Alberto. I turned on the A / C and unpacked. I took a shower and called over a girl I'the met on a previous trip that I'the been meaning to session with.
Libia arrived looking lovely. She delivered a great session, taking my mind off of the Havana heat for at least a little while.
Libia.
156032
156033
156034
After Libia left, I took a shower and a nap. After I woke up, I met a friend for dinner and headed over to La Cecelia. While in line, Carla arrived and stood behind me. I'the been meaning to do Carla for some time. I realized I'the probably pull her at some point, so I decided to save us both the entrance fee and grab her and head home.
La Cecelia.
http://*************.com/f352/la-cecilia-196/
Carla has a ridiculous body. Thin waste, great ass, and unbelievable natural tits. As an added bonus, she's a freak in the sack. She gave me a fantastic blow job, and amazing sex. Once she left, I took another shower and went to sleep in the air conditioned comfort of Casa Alberto. As I drifted off, I thought about how much I absolutely loved Havana.
Carla.
156035
156036
156037
Second Day: Striking out.
I woke up and had breakfast in the casa. I ran around Havana and began gathering cigars to assemble the order I'the been sent for. After a while, I was so sweaty I headed back to the casa for a shower and a nap. I woke up and started calling numbers to get some entertainment to come over. A couple of old favorites were in the campo at their respective homes. A few more didn't have phone credit. I called one girl over that I'the had on a prior trip, but when I opened the door, a different, unattractive girl was standing there. Which I promptly sent away. I called another, who came over, but then asked for 20cuc for her taxi from Centro Havana (2km away). Another one sent away.
Finally, I gave up, as it was now early evening and almost time to go out. I grabbed dinner at La Fontana and headed to La Cecelia. La Cecelia was it's usual, incredible self. Lots of options. I finally settled on a 19 year old from Holguin.
La Cecelia.
http://*************.com/f352/la-cecilia-196/
Maria and I headed to my casa. Once we got into the casa, things started up nicely. Until she got undressed. Maria was in full flow of her period. She insisted it wouldn't be a problem. Really? For who?
Maria was sent into the night with 5cuc and my disdain.
I went to bed on the second night thinking how much I hated Havana and all it's bullshit.
Maria.
156038
Third Day: Back to Basics.
I woke up on day three and had breakfast in the casa. I thought of my options, then decided I needed to get my mojo back with some trusted and reliable companionship. So I called over Yayi. Yayi has a perfect body, a great personality, and is always fantastic in bed.
Yayi came over, delivered her predictable fantastic performance, and left me to take a shower and a nap. I woke up thinking, 'Havana ain't so bad. '
Yayi.
156039
156040
Third Night: Cause the boyz in the hood are always hard.
After dinner at Bom Apetite, I went to Salon Rojo.
Bom Apetite.
http://*************.com/f354/bom-apetite-miramar-255/
Salon Rojo.
http://*************.com/f352/salon-rojo-194/
I arrived early at 11:30, the chicas were still trickling in. I did a few laps and surveyed the more than ample talent. The talent only got better as the evening went on. A couple of Russians provided the entertainment of the evening. Trying to smoke pot in the men's room. The smell permeated throughout the disco. They came out to security insisting they stay put while police entered the disco and escorted them back into the bathroom. I'm guessing for a search and / or bribe discussions. Maybe they didn't have sufficient funds, as they were let out in handcuffs.
I did quite a few laps and discussed options with several more than qualified candidates. Finally settling on a tall blonde from Avila named Lisandra. I got Lisandra home and immediately she insisted on being paid first. I told her that wouldn't happen. We went back and forth, both of us insisting we never relent. Eventually, I told her she could leave. As she walked to the door, she relented. Insisting this was the absolute first time ever.
As the clothes came off, she asked for the condom, I told her it would be on the night stand when she finished the blowjob. She insisted she NEVER gives blowjobs without a condom. I again offered her the door. She started putting on her clothes, then relented. Saying how lucky I was to be the first to get an uncovered blowjob. But blow me uncovered she did.
Once the sex started, she started with the 'hurry up, I have to leave', so I pounded her viciously for the next 40 minutes until I finally came and my sweat was making her make-up run.
While getting dressed, she insisted I owed her more for the uncovered blow job, and for fucking her so long and hard. I told her she should be getting less for the non-stop chatter and being a general pain in the ass. I took a well needed shower and went to sleep.
Lisandra.
156041
Day 4: Mighty Mouse.
When I woke up on day four, I had completed everything I'the come to Havana to do. So I lounged around a while. I had a smoke and a nap after breakfast. I called Lily's number, only to hear an unfamiliar voice on the other end. At first, I thought it was the wrong number, until she asked if I'the like company. Thinking I had nothing to lose, I told her to come over, I was careful to call her Lily, just in case it really was her, or in case the girl arriving was ugly, I could send her off.
Yerlin arrived and looked good. But she looked very short as she walked up. As she got into the elevator, she couldn't be more than 4'9. 4'10. That, and the very young looking face compelled me to ask her for her carnet. She was almost 20. I looked closely to see if anything had been altered on her carnet, but she was legit. I would put her weight about 85lbs.
Once we got undressed, her body was proportionate to her frame. Ample tits, although small. Cute face, very aggressive sexually. Actually, she was the most aggressive of the trip. She did every naughty thing I could think of, and a few I couldn't. I gave her 50cuc and she seemed happy about it.
Yerlin.
Fourth Night: Again with the Neighbors?
A couple trips prior, I had done one of the neighbor's granddaughters. As I was getting home from dinner, I had planned to change clothes and go back to the Salon Rojo. A neighbor from across the hall was in the elevator. This neighbor was reasonably attractive and had a decent body. She had seen me on several occasions with one of my girls going up in the elevator. She asked where my chicas was, I told her I was going out, and would have one shortly. I asked her if she was jealous, she said a little. She said she knew all of those girls left with money, and she was broke. So like a dumbass, I invited her over. She accepted my invitation. To be fair, Rosaria isn't a girl I would pull from the Salon Rojo, but she was attractive, and she was convenient.
Rosaria delivered two sessions worthy of respect. When we were finished, she asked if 30cuc would be reasonable. I said it would be more than fair.
Rosaria.
Overview and Conclusions:
If August is your only option for going to Havana, make the best of it. There is plenty of talent to be had with less competition than usual. Italians tend to like their women on the darker side, leaving most of the light skin or white girls unmolested. If you can pick when you go, wait until October through April when the climate is pleasant.
My mood and attitude towards Havana seemed to be directly connected to how much I got laid. Maybe I'm getting cranky in my old age, but I either love or hate Cuba depending on my luck with the ladies.
I tend to enjoy myself more when I have a good wingman. But there were none available this trip, so I made the best of it.
I'll no doubt be back fairly soon, but I'm hoping my clients can wait until October.
So I have spent about an hour reading and looking at various post. VERY interesting stuff.
I have never been to Cuba but it has been on my list for the past few years.
Many beautiful ladies.
Prices seem to range from 60 to 100. But for how long of a time period. Some seem to be overnights, some seem to be a few hours. I also ready a few post about BB sex and BB anal. That is "interesting."
I guess the question (s) is what does $100USD buy? Classic sex, BBBJ, CIM, Anal, BB sex?
I am not one to aggressively debut a ladies price. If the lady is hot and I want her, I'll give the $100 for all night fucking.
Also, I speak almost no Spanish but my traveling partner, Ben Franklin speaks fluent Spanish.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Sammytheman
08-22-11, 03:46
So I have spent about an hour reading and looking at various post. VERY interesting stuff.
I have never been to Cuba but it has been on my list for the past few years.
Many beautiful ladies.
Prices seem to range from 60 to 100. But for how long of a time period. Some seem to be overnights, some seem to be a few hours. I also ready a few post about BB sex and BB anal. That is "interesting."
I guess the question (s) is what does $100USD buy? Classic sex, BBBJ, CIM, Anal, BB sex?
I am not one to aggressively debut a ladies price. If the lady is hot and I want her, I'll give the $100 for all night fucking.
Also, I speak almost no Spanish but my traveling partner, Ben Franklin speaks fluent Spanish.
Your help is greatly appreciated.FCUK Havana! Why people flock to Havana instead of going to the provinces is beyond me. Well the good thing is, when I go to the smaller towns, I am like the only tourist! Hehehe.
Jokes aside, if you want cleaner, cheaper, and prettier women, go anywhere BUT Havana. Bitches ask for $100 in Havana but I have been to Cienfuegos, Las Tunas, and Holguin and the MAX I paid was $40. Normally they would accept $20. With a smile.
Kalifornication
08-22-11, 04:08
FCUK Havana! Why people flock to Havana instead of going to the provinces is beyond me. Well the good thing is, when I go to the smaller towns, I am like the only tourist! Hehehe.
Jokes aside, if you want cleaner, cheaper, and prettier women, go anywhere BUT Havana. Bitches ask for $100 in Havana but I have been to Cienfuegos, Las Tunas, and Holguin and the MAX I paid was $40. Normally they would accept $20. With a smile.Thanks Sam the man, if you keep this up, your quaint little provinces will begin to resemble La Habana faster than you can say J I N I T E R A. Then where will you go?
Dekuil2012
08-23-11, 04:48
I'll be in Havana this weekend Aug 26-28, 3rd visit overall. Could anyone recommend a casa and owner that they have had a good experience with? Or a local contact that speaks English that is worth their commission? If that is TMI for a thread please PM me to discuss.
Many thanks.
Havana is were the quick pussy is but the city can get boring after a while.
I would also suggest checking out Santiago, Holquin, and Camaquey if you can afford to rent a car.
Primusduvel
09-13-11, 20:32
i haven't been in havana for around 5 years, nothing changed much except the prices and the new camilo cienfuegos monument in plaza de la revolucion, i arrived at the airport around 5 and made a speed costums passage i was out 25 minutes later, i changed some euros and mexican pesos to cuc, is also good to get cuc at the atm in the airport if you have a non american visa card.
i arranged a driver to pick me up and get to me to vedado for 25 cuc the taxis at the airport charged around 35 cuc so is not bad, the appartment was decent good location near linea and hotel cohiba 35 cuc daily with a / c and tv, i went to downtown to get some cigars and have some mojitos, went back took a quick shower then head to jazz cafe you pay 10 cuc but you can consume the same amount, the place is ok music nice but not action at all, mainly local cubans with some money to expend, i am not a big fan of cuban food for me is quite tasteless, after that i went to a place called el meson, is small place with a patio not a lot of space to maneuver and that night they had a cuban comedian so if you don't understand spanish no point to go there, so i end up at diablito tun tun, that place is good 5 cuc to get in, it was around 2:30 am still plenty of game to go, i got a really nice 19 year old girl blond form me a good 9, nice attitude, some dance and off we went, nice performance, she stayed over night 50 cuc plus a little gift i will definetely repeat!
then took a shower again bodeguita trying to break the record of 37 mojitos but only could drank 15, then again took a shower, went to a really nice paladar around salon rojo called cafe laurent ok dinner, good service and the view is really nice is on a 5th floor, then head to salon rojo, not really nice crowd and girls were asking 100 cuc and they were a 7 or so, so went to la cecilia there was a really famous cuban group called "los 4" so the place was packed, lots of girls but not a lot of space to sit and have a drink, i met here a lot of 10's definitely worth it but it closes at 3 i met this girl niruka! omg she was amazing, got her number she works in the state company that makes the cigars i will follow up defenitely, she was busy so was a shame, then again to diablito tun tun got a nice mulata again 21 years old probably a 8 nice girl. 50 cuc and a gift good perfomance but didn't stayed over night.
next day flight back went to paladar "los amigos" around salon rojo it was ok again. 25 cuc to get back to airport that's it! some pointers, you won't get a taxi for less than 4 cuc to anywhere if you are a foreigner i speak spanish and even i could get like 3 cuc cubans payed around. 35 cuc for the same trip but these people won't charge less! be sure to gets 5 and 10 cuc bills but nobody and i said again nobody has change and that can be annoyed some times, get ready to very slow and sometimes rude service that's the way it is most of cases.
any advise pm me and i will be glad to help! take care mates!
i spent the last 2 weeks of august in havana.
observations.
1) very few tourists. the hotels were dead. i cleared customs in 5 minutes which was a
first for me. i am assuming this is because of poor global economy.
2) part time girls are available but are very scared. average price 35. 45cuc.
3) no more beggars on the streets.
4) discos. clubs are now closing earlier.
5) seems like more cubanos are pimping their girlfriends. plenty of jineteras in the
clubs with average asking price around 65 cuc.
6) exchange rate has improved slightly. ($100 us = 87 cuc)
7) some of the hard core girls are now spiking tourists drinks with sleeping pills and
robbing them once they're unconscious. i heard this from multiple sources.
8) food still terrible.
9) cubans constantly trying to hustle tourists. usually all conversations end in a
request for money, cigarettes, or a beer.
10) more female sex tourists most of which are italian women. they love the younger black
guys who can dance and romance them.
11) police are everywhere especially in the la rampa area. alot of requests for carnes
visible on street.
12) internet still dial up speed with cost of 5 cuc for 30 minutes. hotels.
i realize that most of these observations are nothing new to experienced cuba travelers.
not much has changed.
hope the info helps.
Sammytheman
09-14-11, 19:39
i spent the last 2 weeks of august in havana.
observations.
1) very few tourists. the hotels were dead. i cleared customs in 5 minutes which was a
first for me. i am assuming this is because of poor global economy.
2) part time girls are available but are very scared. average price 35. 45cuc.
3) no more beggars on the streets.
4) discos. clubs are now closing earlier.
5) seems like more cubanos are pimping their girlfriends. plenty of jineteras in the
clubs with average asking price around 65 cuc.
6) exchange rate has improved slightly. ($100 us = 87 cuc)
7) some of the hard core girls are now spiking tourists drinks with sleeping pills and
robbing them once they're unconscious. i heard this from multiple sources.
8) food still terrible.
9) cubans constantly trying to hustle tourists. usually all conversations end in a
request for money, cigarettes, or a beer.
10) more female sex tourists most of which are italian women. they love the younger black
guys who can dance and romance them.
11) police are everywhere especially in the la rampa area. alot of requests for carnes
visible on street.
12) internet still dial up speed with cost of 5 cuc for 30 minutes. hotels.
i realize that most of these observations are nothing new to experienced cuba travelers.
not much has changed.
hope the info helps.looks like you had a terrible time in havana; (
BeersTerry
09-14-11, 21:20
I always find the tricks / scams in Cuba like spiking drinks funny in that, they were doing that shit in Hungary and the Czech Republic 20 years ago. Cuba is childs' play when it comes to that stuff, and hence fairly safe compared to most of the world. There are those out there who just beg to be relieved of their money and possessions.
$35 for a taxi to Vedado is outrageous, ask the cabbie to use the meter.
What I notice is that normally there are alot of long term Japanese tourists that hang out in Havana. They have all but disappeared since the tsunami.
I also used to bump into alot of Scandanavians.
I paid 17 cuc for Taxi. From Jose Marti airport to Cohiba Hotel, Vedado. The driver originally asked for 25.
Cheapest taxis in Havana are the Cubano taxis which run on Linea. These are usually the old American cars from the 50s or the beat up Yadas.
1 cuc from Cohiba Hotel to el Capitolio, however you usually have to share the car with other passengers.
Crime is very low.
For my trip end of this year I am looking for a comfortable casa in Vedado. For about 2 weeks.
Looking for:
- independent casa.
- sleeping room, private bathroom, sitting room, balcony.
- owner not having problems with inviting guests.
- neighboorhood Vedado between Malecon, Linea, La Rampa and calle L.
Please do PM me. Thank you in advance.
I am loosing my "posting" virginity in the Havana section. What a way to do it! I am headed to havana in the first week of October with 2 other friends, all first timers. I am impressed with so much information that's available on this forum and am certainly thankful to those who shared and continue to share. I was hoping I can contact some of the gurus and seek some specific advice but I won't be able to get my full membership in time by paying it in cash. A bummer, but I can live with that. The purpose of the trip is to explore the culture, enjoy the music, cigars and rum, and spice the trip with some mongering. So far I can share this with you guys: round trip ticket from Tijuana with connection in la cuidad de mexico at $570, paid in pesos and received the entry and departure card plus the insurance from the la agencia de viajes at the standard rate. They got that for us in an hour, or less. We have one casa particular in mind but we certainly appreciate any suggestions. 3 rooms, shared bath ok, and in convenient area.
Cheers!
Primusduvel.
What was the name of your casa particular in Vedado?
I just got back from my trip to Havana. Here is the short report to the extend I can remember things, since I didn't take notes. Bear in mind that the purpose of our trip wasn't just for mongering.
We got our Mexican visitor visa at TIJ airport (260 pesos) and they took the visa card from us at the time of departure at MEX. So we had to get a new one on our way back to MEX. This time at no cost. Once we arrived at HAV a plain cloths guy approached us and we went thru some questioning. The questioning was routine and the guy was very polite. Then a supervisor showed up and asked some of the same questions, again very polite and welcoming. We didn't have a hotel reservation and told them we were going to stay at a casa particular. For some reason that we didn't ask they asked us to make a hotel reservation at the airport and stay our first night at a hotel. And we complied, $40 a night for Hotel Vedado. More review later on the hotel. Then on the way out the costume agent stopped us and asked a few questions, some of them same questions, again very polite and welcoming. They didn't search out luggage and we got out. I would say the whole process took us about 1. 5 hours. We took a minivan cab to Vedado for $20. But before that we exchanged some money (Euro) at the airport kiosk.
The Vedado hotel is nothing special. I would say probably a 2 star hotel with American standard. But the location is good, very close to a few bars, specifically La Zorra why el Cuervo which we like a lot because of its music, almost no muchachas there, mostly tourist and some locals that can afford these kind of things. On another night I noticed a few guys that came with their "dates" though. The entrance fee is 10 CUC but you can spend that towards the stuff you eat / drink at the bar. I recommend this place for listening to some nice jazz in a cozzy atmosphere.
We decided to head to Capri, which we later realized was closed due to the renovation of the building. On our way there my buddy started asking this guy directions and not knowing the game fell in his trap, so we are following this guy to a "cool" bar "full" of chick. It turned out to be a Spanish bar with Barcelona and Real Madrid stuff hanging from its wall (can't remember the name). The place was as empty as it gets but kinda cool. So the bartender took our drink orders and the "guy" took our girl orders. Hahaha. I should give it to him for bringing the girls sooner that we thought and being kinda funny and not bugging. The girls were 7-8s. So my overexcited friends decided to settle for what they got and not go anywhere else. I had no objection since I was no less tired than them after a full day of traveling, specially with a red-eye fllight to MEX. We bought a round of drinks for the girls and negotiated the price to 40 CUC plus taxi. Then headed to a house in Havana Vieja in separate taxis to finish the business. I am not sure but I think we paid $30 for 3 rooms. The service was great so I decided to get the girl's number for keep it as my emergency contact. Haha. And yes, I used my the emergency contact the next day before heading out for partying.
2nd day: We found a casa in Vedado for $70 a night. 2 rooms w A / C. 2 showers, kitchen and independent on the 6th floor with a nice large balcony. He also converted the living by adding a bed and a fan, so we each had our own room. No extra charge. I called my chica from last night and had a round with her before we headed out to Casa de la Musica. 40 CUC including taxi plus some gifts. In the line to get into Casa de la Musica we were behind these two hot girls that looked like typical club goers. Later in the club one of them politely and non-aggressively asked me if we wanted accompany. Huh! I felt being at the bottom of the learning curve. So I answered no since we hadn't scanned the place yet. Later we invited them over to our table and we hung out for some time. Turned out my chica was a 23 year old nurse from Camaguey, in Havana for two weeks to make some extra cash. She was fun but hard on the price (80 CUC). She didn't take my 40 CUC offer, so I told her I understood she had to make money and I didn't want to waste her time. And told her my offer still stands if she can't find anyone else. She left and came back in 10 minutes. LOL We left later on to out casa and all had a great time there.
I will write more about other places in a separate post. But overall, I liked Havana a lot and will definitely go back. It is not the easiest trip but really loved the country. Plus the quality of the girls is very high. That said, from what I have read in this forum there are probably better places to go if the purpose of the trip is solely mongering.
Hit me up if you have any questions.
The girls from Camaguey are beautiful and lots of fun for the most part.
I've been told its a beautiful place to visit.
Sammytheman
10-25-11, 03:56
I just got back from my trip to Havana. Here is the short report to the extend I can remember things, since I didn't take notes. Bear in mind that the purpose of our trip wasn't just for mongering.
We got our Mexican visitor visa at TIJ airport (260 pesos) and they took the visa card from us at the time of departure at MEX. So we had to get a new one on our way back to MEX. This time at no cost. Once we arrived at HAV a plain cloths guy approached us and we went thru some questioning. The questioning was routine and the guy was very polite. Then a supervisor showed up and asked some of the same questions, again very polite and welcoming. We didn't have a hotel reservation and told them we were going to stay at a casa particular. For some reason that we didn't ask they asked us to make a hotel reservation at the airport and stay our first night at a hotel. And we complied, $40 a night for Hotel Vedado. More review later on the hotel. Then on the way out the costume agent stopped us and asked a few questions, some of them same questions, again very polite and welcoming. They didn't search out luggage and we got out. I would say the whole process took us about 1. 5 hours. We took a minivan cab to Vedado for $20. But before that we exchanged some money (Euro) at the airport kiosk.
The Vedado hotel is nothing special. I would say probably a 2 star hotel with American standard. But the location is good, very close to a few bars, specifically La Zorra why el Cuervo which we like a lot because of its music, almost no muchachas there, mostly tourist and some locals that can afford these kind of things. On another night I noticed a few guys that came with their "dates" though. The entrance fee is 10 CUC but you can spend that towards the stuff you eat / drink at the bar. I recommend this place for listening to some nice jazz in a cozzy atmosphere.
We decided to head to Capri, which we later realized was closed due to the renovation of the building. On our way there my buddy started asking this guy directions and not knowing the game fell in his trap, so we are following this guy to a "cool" bar "full" of chick. It turned out to be a Spanish bar with Barcelona and Real Madrid stuff hanging from its wall (can't remember the name). The place was as empty as it gets but kinda cool. So the bartender took our drink orders and the "guy" took our girl orders. Hahaha. I should give it to him for bringing the girls sooner that we thought and being kinda funny and not bugging. The girls were 7-8s. So my overexcited friends decided to settle for what they got and not go anywhere else. I had no objection since I was no less tired than them after a full day of traveling, specially with a red-eye fllight to MEX. We bought a round of drinks for the girls and negotiated the price to 40 CUC plus taxi. Then headed to a house in Havana Vieja in separate taxis to finish the business. I am not sure but I think we paid $30 for 3 rooms. The service was great so I decided to get the girl's number for keep it as my emergency contact. Haha. And yes, I used my the emergency contact the next day before heading out for partying.
2nd day: We found a casa in Vedado for $70 a night. 2 rooms w A / C. 2 showers, kitchen and independent on the 6th floor with a nice large balcony. He also converted the living by adding a bed and a fan, so we each had our own room. No extra charge. I called my chica from last night and had a round with her before we headed out to Casa de la Musica. 40 CUC including taxi plus some gifts. In the line to get into Casa de la Musica we were behind these two hot girls that looked like typical club goers. Later in the club one of them politely and non-aggressively asked me if we wanted accompany. Huh! I felt being at the bottom of the learning curve. So I answered no since we hadn't scanned the place yet. Later we invited them over to our table and we hung out for some time. Turned out my chica was a 23 year old nurse from Camaguey, in Havana for two weeks to make some extra cash. She was fun but hard on the price (80 CUC). She didn't take my 40 CUC offer, so I told her I understood she had to make money and I didn't want to waste her time. And told her my offer still stands if she can't find anyone else. She left and came back in 10 minutes. LOL We left later on to out casa and all had a great time there.
I will write more about other places in a separate post. But overall, I liked Havana a lot and will definitely go back. It is not the easiest trip but really loved the country. Plus the quality of the girls is very high. That said, from what I have read in this forum there are probably better places to go if the purpose of the trip is solely mongering.
Hit me up if you have any questions.Only 2 posts and one fine trip report! Much appreciated. Thanks.
Do you recall the details of the vedado casa?
I just got back from my trip to Havana. Here is the short report to the extend I can remember things, since I didn't take notes. Bear in mind that the purpose of our trip wasn't just for mongering.
We got our Mexican visitor visa...
Do you recall the details of the vedado casa?Of course I do. I am in my late 30s so my alzheimer attacks happen rarely and usually don't last long. LOL Let me know what info you need, my full membership is not in full force yet, so I can't send PMs.
Only 2 posts and one fine trip report! Much appreciated. Thanks.Thanks Sammytheman. I am impressed also. 2 posts and I already made a friend here.
Now, more on the trip. (with less typos this time, so help me god LOL)
I need to clarify that my Spanish is very basic and is limited to asking and answering some questions, making some comments and a little more. I certainly can't tell my life story. With that said, I believe while knowing the language will take me a long way, not knowing the language can't be a show stopper. A little bit of charm sometimes works just as well if not better.
Club Rio in Miramar:
We took a cab ride from Vedado to Rio on a Monday or Tuesday night. Arrived around 10pm and the place was packed with girls and not so many guys. Some tables are reserved but you can get them if you order bottle service. We were not much into drinking that night so we got a table in the back. The girls were mostly 7s and 8s, some 9s and a few 10s. They are very aggressive and some won't even stop bugging you while you are sitting and having a conversation. It is more entertaining than annoying if you take it with a grain of salt. You will be the star of the moment till the next group of guys show up, so take advantage of that. The place gets really packed around midnight and it becomes more like a dance club from that point on, but you still can pick up working girls. We ended up inviting three girls to our table and negotiated the price while chatting about other stuff. We started from 80 cuc and settled at 45 cuc plus taxi. Now when it comes to negotiating I tend to keep it short, sweet and respectful. I don't think anyone wants to wear himself out and spoil the fun by tying to squeeze the heck out of the deal. I personally take the +- $10 approach. More or less like gambling, except that with the hobby there is always a happy ending (for the most part). So I ended up with a 19-year old fake blonde pro with tight tanned body and cute face, I would say an 8 or with more beer 9. My other two friends got two semi-pros at the same rate. Overall good experience with the club and the girls but we didn't go back since my friends thought it was a bit too crazy. LOL I think everyone should go RIO at least once. I would have gone back if we had more time and my friends were game. The girl that I had was fun, crazy in bed and quite a performer.
One thing I noticed in our encounter was that if you are hanging out in groups and have few girls at the table, the less pro girls usually leave the negotiation to the pros. I heard this quite often 'whatever the other girls agree to, I will be ok with. ' Just make sure you don't end up in an endless circle. We always paid our girls the same and it kept the encounter drama free. We almost ran to a drama situation at the casa when one friend treated his girl with more gifts but it was nothing outrageous and we managed it out.
To be continued.
On a side note, I highly recommend the 1-day tour of Vinales for 55 cuc. They pick you up around 8am from a major hotel and drop you off around 7pm. The details are more appropriate for another forum.
This forum has been a great source of information to me and I hope I can pay my dues by my contribution.
Cheers!
The address, dimensions, shared vs independent.
Of course I do. I am in my late 30s so my alzheimer attacks happen rarely and usually don't last long. LOL Let me know what info you need, my full membership is not in full force yet, so I can't send PMs.
The address, dimensions, shared vs independent.Calle H, #318, Apt. 12. 2br, one large one medium size. 2 bathroom, one large one small. Small dining area, mini fridge in both rooms stocked with beer and soda at a cost, a large fridge in dining room. Medium size living room with 20" TV. Galley kitchen with all kind of dishes and pots. The apartment is independent but a little strange for bringing over chicas. The entrance to the building opens with a key so you have to be down there to open the door for your guests. Then you take the elevator up to the last floor (6th) and once you walk out of the elevator you pass by the owner's apartment. So your coming and going won't go unnoticed. The owner lives with his family, meaning he may object to heavy partying and going overboard.
Sorry, you are out of luck on dimensions. Let me know if there is anything else.
One other place that was fun enough that was worth visiting again was Yas Club (Jas Club, Jazz Club?). This place is in Vedado and right across from Melia Cohiba hotel. It is in shopping center (Galerias de Paseo). Ask any cap driver and they'll take you there. The entrance is 10 CUC and like most places you use that as credit towards buying food or drinks. You may run to two or three girls in the stairs or where the shops are. Don't settle for them just yet, unless you are a gambler. Once inside you will not see so many girls and the ones that you see are fairly discrete, meaning they are no arss chewing like the muchachas in Club Rio or Casa de la Musica. This is a quite upscale bar with fascinating music. Definitely not a mongering paradise. If you see a girl there take is as the icing on the cake but I certainly wouldn't go there to find a muchacha. Also a nice place to take your "date."
Few lessons that I learned:
- If you need to ask someone for information, your best bet is asking mid-age or older folks. The young guys will most likely have a hidden agenda. Which I don't blame them for but simply don't welcome. Now if it was a girl I would definitely be anxious to put that agenda to action. LOL.
- If you are mongering by yourself, avoid the 1-hour casas in Habana Vieja late at nights. I was told by a casa owner that jumping is not uncommon late at night and we were lucky because it was 3 of us.
- Always always always, like any other country, carry good amount of change. You will save a lot specially on cab rides.
- We never tried picking up on Malecon. You see quite a crowd there at nights and it becomes a scene, also very tempting to go and melt in. I was told by one of the locals that the chances are very low. Foreigners will stand out like sore thumb and this is a risky place for locals to socialize with foreigners. (it seems to be ok anywhere else though!)
- The Playa del Este is a nice beach and has a great vibe over the weekend. It is very fun, specially if you can melt in with the young folks. There are also beaches in the same area for family and even gays. Watch our for the later. LOL.
- If you see a HOT girl with a guy don't let that push you back. I would start a respectful conversation and see where it would take me. Sometimes the girl is up for an offer, and if not, you just made two friends. With that said, I think people that hit on the other guy's girl are out of class, regardless of where in the world they are. But having a chat to discover the relationship is understandable, I hope.
I leave the crossing the border to San Diego story for some other time.
Havana review is 5 words or less: I will definitely go back.
Will be in Vedado, beginning Novemebr 9 for a week. Anybody else on these dates?
One other place that was fun enough that was worth visiting again was Yas Club (Jas Club, Jazz Club?). This place is in Vedado and right across from Melia Cohiba hotel. It is in shopping center (Galerias de Paseo). Ask any cap driver and they'll take you there. The entrance is 10 CUC and like most places you use that as credit towards buying food or drinks. You may run to two or three girls in the stairs or where the shops are. Don't settle for them just yet, unless you are a gambler. Once inside you will not see so many girls and the ones that you see are fairly discrete, meaning they are no arss chewing like the muchachas in Club Rio or Casa de la Musica. This is a quite upscale bar with fascinating music. Definitely not a mongering paradise. If you see a girl there take is as the icing on the cake but I certainly wouldn't go there to find a muchacha. Also a nice place to take your "date."
Few lessons that I learned:
- If you need to ask someone for information, your best bet is asking mid-age or older folks. The young guys will most likely have a hidden agenda. Which I don't blame them for but simply don't welcome. Now if it was a girl I would definitely be anxious to put that agenda to action. LOL.
- If you are mongering by yourself, avoid the 1-hour casas in Habana Vieja late at nights. I was told by a casa owner that jumping is not uncommon late at night and we were lucky because it was 3 of us.
- Always always always, like any other country, carry good amount of change. You will save a lot specially on cab rides.
- We never tried picking up on Malecon. You see quite a crowd there at nights and it becomes a scene, also very tempting to go and melt in. I was told by one of the locals that the chances are very low. Foreigners will stand out like sore thumb and this is a risky place for locals to socialize with foreigners. (it seems to be ok anywhere else though!)
- The Playa del Este is a nice beach and has a great vibe over the weekend. It is very fun, specially if you can melt in with the young folks. There are also beaches in the same area for family and even gays. Watch our for the later. LOL.
- If you see a HOT girl with a guy don't let that push you back. I would start a respectful conversation and see where it would take me. Sometimes the girl is up for an offer, and if not, you just made two friends. With that said, I think people that hit on the other guy's girl are out of class, regardless of where in the world they are. But having a chat to discover the relationship is understandable, I hope.
I leave the crossing the border to San Diego story for some other time.
Havana review is 5 words or less: I will definitely go back.Obviously you crossed to Tijuana from San Diego. How was that experience? What about coming back? What charter did you use to fly? I am going same way for the first time? Did they shake you off at the border coming back? I want to bring some cigs back too! L.
Few lessons that I learned:
- If you need to ask someone for information, your best bet is asking mid-age or older folks. The young guys will most likely have a hidden agenda. Which I don't blame them for but simply don't welcome. Now if it was a girl I would definitely be anxious to put that agenda to action. LOL.
- Always always always, like any other country, carry good amount of change. You will save a lot specially on cab rides.
- We never tried picking up on Malecon. You see quite a crowd there at nights and it becomes a scene, also very tempting to go and melt in. I was told by one of the locals that the chances are very low. Foreigners will stand out like sore thumb and this is a risky place for locals to socialize with foreigners. (it seems to be ok anywhere else though!)
- If you see a HOT girl with a guy don't let that push you back. I would start a respectful conversation and see where it would take me. Sometimes the girl is up for an offer, and if not, you just made two friends. With that said, I think people that hit on the other guy's girl are out of class, regardless of where in the world they are. But having a chat to discover the relationship is understandable, I hope.Good bits of advice. I always avoid younger people too when asking someone for information, especially males.
There are apparently several areas of the Malecon where there are security cameras, so Cubans are hesitant because big brother is watching, and you know in Cuba they are.
As far as the HOT chick with a guy thing is concerned, your advice is spot on. I once met a chick in Holguin who was with this guy. The three of us hung out together for a while, and then he just faded away and the chica and I hooked up. I looked back on the evening later and it seemed that the chica was definitely in charge, and they guy was there to deflect any potential attention from cops, I guess a couple attracts less attention than a young single woman. All I did was buy him a beer when the 3 of us sat down, and I don't even recall saying goodbye to him, he just disappeared. However, tact is very important here, and I would not try this outside of the big cities / heavily touristed areas.
Sammytheman
11-01-11, 04:08
Good bits of advice. I always avoid younger people tooHahaha! I remember this old white man in shorts that I asked for direction to a restaurant. He ran away so fast, he was about to get hit by a passing car! LOL! Was it you? Jokes. I guess it all depends. I try to avoid people who approach me because I find the odds much better if I approach them, regardless of age. All Cubans are out there to make cash off tourists. As a matter of fact, my old casa owner tried to charge us $1. 25 for each can of beer that he bought for $1 downstairs at the gas station. Asked him why? He says because it is convenient for us LOL!
Obviously you crossed to Tijuana from San Diego. How was that experience? What about coming back? What charter did you use to fly? I am going same way for the first time? Did they shake you off at the border coming back? I want to bring some cigs back too! L.Crossing from San Diego to Tijuana is just a walk thru. I did use Otay Mesa crossing since it is closer to the airport. There is an Immigration Office to your right once you get to the Mexican side. You can get your tourist card here but they will tell you it is easier to get it at the airport. And that is what I did. I was told that there is a charter flight to Havana from Tijuana but I chose not to use it. I don't like charter flight. They limit your travel a great deal, specially with cancellations, delays and limitation of one flight per day, or in this case per week, if I am not mistaken. I took AeroMexico with connection in Mexico City and it worked out nice.
Coming back is another story by itself. Keep in mind when you get to Mexico City on your way back they put a entry stamp on your passport. So when you cross the border is a bit of luck. I have a Sentri Card that came with my Global Entry so I didn't have to show them my passport book. I suggest you get a passport card which will do the same thing, you just can't skip the line with it. I had a rolled painting in my hand that drew the officer's attention and then a series of questions. He even ask me if I left Mexico during my trip and followed by asking if I went to Cuba. (WTF!) But I was finally let go with no secondary and luggage inspection. My other friend with a passport book just zipped thru. But they got my third friend on the hook, opened his luggage and he brought back was from Havana and not a single thing from Cuba. So they force him to go back to the Mexico side and give them to someone, which he does. Lucky that old lady with all those Cuban cigars, rum and more. Then they ask him about the passport stamp and he made a mistake today by going thru immigration when he got to the airport. (an obvious bullshit story) At this point they know what is going on but let him off the hook and he is out, without most of the stuff that he bought.
So if I have one piece of advice it is to get a passport card. It doesn't cost much and comes very handy even in other situations. We also used Otay crossing and now I think maybe San Ysidro was better since it is usually more crowded. The other thing that I may do is when I get to Tijuana leave my Cuban stuff there and cross the border with my luggage. Then go back and get my stuff. This way I draw less attention and if they inspect my luggage I am not caught red-handed. LOL.
Don't let this stop you for going to Cuba. The experience is well worth it. And so are the girls.
Szympans28
11-04-11, 21:25
Hi,
Could you give me an adress of any chicka friendly casa near vedeado or havana vieja?
Does anyone know how the mongering will be during new years? I have been to Cuba 2 times, but this time want to stay in apartment or casa. I am going with 2 friends, so does anyone know any specific 3 bedroom, chica friendly, luxury apart or casa? I am pretty open as to where to stay. Thanks.
Viper10
Does anyone know how the mongering will be during new years? I have been to Cuba 2 times, but this time want to stay in apartment or casa. I am going with 2 friends, so does anyone know any specific 3 bedroom, chica friendly, luxury apart or casa? I am pretty open as to where to stay. Thanks.
Viper10Viper, when I was there we spend more than half a day trying to find an independent casa / apartment with 3 rooms in Vedado or Habana Vieja. Nada. I remember someone told us that by law casa particulars cannot have more than 2 guests, thus the shortage. I never verified this, but I remember some casa owners won't even consider letting one of us sleep in the living room, just as much as they needed the money. I would still say it is possible to find something, it just takes more time. And having a few casas lined up (like you are doing now) will save you a lot of time on the ground.
Best of luck.
Tank Not Mt
11-12-11, 19:10
Been to Havana maybe 20 times over the past 8 years; there are many casas in Miramar, which is by the ocean; some that have 3 rooms-some have 4 or 5. Problem is they may not be typically 'legal'. But if they know the cops and pay them off everything is legal.
If you want to pm me I will give you a name of a friend of mine in Havana who can set you up. Problem is there is no such thing as a reservation in a casa-its first come first served. I am going down again begining of Decemeber so I can arrange for you. Let me know.
Good hunting!
Viper, when I was there we spend more than half a day trying to find an independent casa / apartment with 3 rooms in Vedado or Habana Vieja. Nada. I remember someone told us that by law casa particulars cannot have more than 2 guests, thus the shortage. I never verified this, but I remember some casa owners won't even consider letting one of us sleep in the living room, just as much as they needed the money. I would still say it is possible to find something, it just takes more time. And having a few casas lined up (like you are doing now) will save you a lot of time on the ground.
Best of luck.
BeersTerry
11-14-11, 23:26
Just because you bribed a cop does not make it legal. It only makes that cop turn a blind eye to it. The owner might also have to take care of the inspector. Any way you slice it, it is the owner's problem and not yours. As a tourist, there are no repercussions other than maybe having to move if the owner gets caught.
Been to Havana maybe 20 times over the past 8 years; there are many casas in Miramar, which is by the ocean; some that have 3 rooms-some have 4 or 5. Problem is they may not be typically 'legal'. But if they know the cops and pay them off everything is legal.
If you want to pm me I will give you a name of a friend of mine in Havana who can set you up. Problem is there is no such thing as a reservation in a casa-its first come first served. I am going down again begining of Decemeber so I can arrange for you. Let me know.
Good hunting!I will be with 2 friends in Havana from 22nd of November and we will stay in Miramsr H 10 Panorama but we want AlSo a casa particular. How can I can have Your contact in Havana?
Tank Not Mt
11-21-11, 19:29
I cannot leave this info on the site as others who may be monitouring the site from within may find out and he'll get in trouble.
If you give Jackson your membership which is really inexpensive you can message me and I'll be happy to provide you his contact info-he knows many casa's and places to eat etc!
Tanks.
I will be with 2 friends in Havana from 22nd of November and we will stay in Miramsr H 10 Panorama but we want AlSo a casa particular. How can I can have Your contact in Havana?
This is your second reference to the Bahamas or Bahamians, what exactly is your issue with Bahamians as it pertains to Cuba?
Mr Soulo
You made out nice.
I'm a cheap son of a * who has traveled to Cuba many times but it would be impossible to live in Havana on your figures.
What city did you got to?
I've only stayed in Havana and prices are alot higher than those you posted.
For example:
Casa was 30 cuc per night x 14 days = 420 cuc.
Chicas want between 40. 60 cuc per night x 14 days = 700 cuc (appx)
Taxis will run you about 20 per day x 14 days = 280 cuc.
Food will run 15 cuc per day X 14 days = 210 cuc.
Drinks wil run about 15 cuc per day x 14days = 210 cuc.
Clubs = 100 cuc total.
Airport depart fee = 25 cuc.
Total = 1945 CUC
1945 cuc x 1. 20 (exchange rate) = $ 2335 US.
Airfare = $700
Total = $3035.
Mr Soulo I applaude those numbers. I'm assuming you are not from the US possibly the Bahamas
Primusduvel
11-25-11, 23:11
Does anyone know how the mongering will be during new years? I have been to Cuba 2 times, but this time want to stay in apartment or casa. I am going with 2 friends, so does anyone know any specific 3 bedroom, chica friendly, luxury apart or casa? I am pretty open as to where to stay. Thanks.
Viper10Go to livingcuba. Com and check all the options that are available I have personally stayed here before several times and they have nice private, girl friendly private homes and appartments when you write ask for Lily, good luck!
Kalifornication
11-26-11, 23:26
Just got back from Cuba. Very brief trip. Left Central Cuba Monday night at 10PM, I had a car. Plan was that if I saw something on the autopista, go for it, but nothing to be found. Got to Havana in 2 hours, not bad ey?
When I arrived in La Habana, put gas in the car and off to Salon Rojo, shit! When I finally arrived, I was told it closes in 15 minutes! Mas o menos 2:00 AM. I Ask the door man what else is available, he says El Diablo Bla Bla or Gardinia 2, was informed by a source that Gardinia 2 was the better spot this Monday night / Tuesday morning. Got directions and off I go. Arrived at about 2:30 AM. There were a few good looking chicks, but I was interested in a quite timid brunette, but before I could make my move, I was approached by two rubias, . Not really my type but I chatted then up was asked if I wanted company and they put out their price, I told them,"with all due respect, too much", they came down in price. Here is why I went with them, they were cool and we had a good vibe after hanging out for 1 hr, and they were certified sisters! (confirmed by the identification). I could not pass up bragging rights to having bedded two sisters. Overall they were good in the sack. Well worth the adventure for the bragging rights.
Sammytheman
11-27-11, 02:44
Just got back from Cuba. Very brief trip. Left Central Cuba Monday night at 10PM, I had a car. Plan was that if I saw something on the autopista, go for it, but nothing to be found. Got to Havana in 2 hours, not bad ey?
When I arrived in La Habana, put gas in the car and off to Salon Rojo, shit! When I finally arrived, I was told it closes in 15 minutes! Mas o menos 2:00 AM. I Ask the door man what else is available, he says El Diablo Bla Bla or Gardinia 2, was informed by a source that Gardinia 2 was the better spot this Monday night / Tuesday morning. Got directions and off I go. Arrived at about 2:30 AM. There were a few good looking chicks, but I was interested in a quite timid brunette, but before I could make my move, I was approached by two rubias, . Not really my type but I chatted then up was asked if I wanted company and they put out their price, I told them,"with all due respect, too much", they came down in price. Here is why I went with them, they were cool and we had a good vibe after hanging out for 1 hr, and they were certified sisters! (confirmed by the identification). I could not pass up bragging rights to having bedded two sisters. Overall they were good in the sack. Well worth the adventure for the bragging rights.Great report buddy! I like the sister sitting down, even though I see half her face.
Kalifornication
11-27-11, 03:01
Great report buddy! I like the sister sitting down, even though I see half her face.The two sisters, were really not my type, . Sold me on the sister act. In terms of looks, they were ok. In fact the one standing looked better than the one sitting. I would rate them, in terms of looks. 6.5-7.
Before I start on the report, I have to thank Sammytheman for helping me out as I was getting close to leave.
I flew out of tijuana again with a stop in Mexico city. I missed my direct flight to havana and was put on the flight with connection in Cancun. I got to havana around 1:00am and zipped thru the immigration. My luggage had arrived with the earlier flight and was sent to lost and found in terminal 1. I took a cab to terminal 1, woke up the staff and got my carry on. The aduana lady just signed some paper work and I was out in a few minutes. I had the cab waiting and headed straight to vedado. The total cab cost including the wait at terminal 1 was 25 cuc.
The casa that I stayed at was not available but the owner had made arrangements for another casa in vedado. Nothing very special but clean and independent. $35 a night. I chatted with the owner till 3am and went straight to bed. The next morning I called one of the girls that I met last time and she came over. An 18-year old from holguin (but still in havana) with perky racks and good fuck. $40 including taxi. My buddy that decided to join me last minute arrived thru the same route and we ate, took a nap and headed out for a walk. At night, I thought I take my friend to a place to make his head spin. So we headed to club Rio. As usual the place was full of girls and tourist, with a good ratio at the beginning of the night and quite a few 8s and 9s. The starting price is typically 80 cuc and even as high as 100 cuc. If you like to play the game you can talk the price down to 50 cuc including taxi. If you are attracted to more girls that you can fuck in one night, you should take the girl's number (and they happily give it to you) and call her the next day and have her over at your casa quicker and at a much lower rate. Or at least at 50 cuc without having to go thru the back and forth offer and counteroffer game.
The next night we went to jazz club in vedado. Listened to the awesome music and had a few drinks. Entrance 10 cuc and you can spend that inside on anything. Then we headed to casa de la musica around midnight. So many girls and quite a lot of options. And a few 8s and some 9s. I settled with a cutie and started drinking and dancing while my buddy was interviewing literally all the girls in the house. It is around 3am and I am so ready to go home but my buddy still can't decide. As funny as it sounds he ends up with the first girl that he talked to that night. So we head out and at the door the girls ask for the taxi money. Now, I don't usually do that, but I really wanted to get the fuck out and go home. So we paid and went outside. I had never seen so many cops outside casa de la musica, and they were checking inside the cars to make sure there are no girls in them (that's what our cab driver told us). We hesitantly got in a taxi particular and when I asked the driver if it is ok to get in the cab in front of the cops he said "get in, they are here for the girls not the illegal private taxis" we got home, one of the girls showed up with and older guy on a motorcycle but the other girl never showed up. I'd like to believe she got scared of the cops and just couldn't make it. I thought next time I would also get the girls phone number just in case. A pussyless nite, which I was ok with since it wouldn't have been a quality fuck anyways.
The next day we headed to trinidad on viazul to spend a few days there. I will write a report on trinidad in the "other area" section. We spend 2 more days in la habana before we left and I report on that in another post.
Tank Not Mt
12-07-11, 00:40
Fellow Mongers.
Just got back from a great weekend in Havana. Got to report on a special night at the 'Party' at Cecllia's Friday night.
Got there about 11 pm. It was just starting to fill in. About 30- 40 guys and at least 5 times as many chicas dressed to the gills. Parading and making the moves; some grabin your balls. Met a couple of guys and sat down with drinks and let the fun begin. For about 3 hours we had girl after girl come by and flirt with us-dance with us and drink with us. Felt like a kid at a candy shop. Started negotiating with one then another. When there's so much supply and less demand it was awsome. Didn't have a casa but after finding a cute little chica for 60P (about an 8) went to the front door where I hooked up with one of the many Taxis drivers who got me a room at a casa for 20P for a couple of hours-really nice place-clean and roomy-not far away. Met the girl there as she had her own driver. Had an amazing hour session with her. Passion was incredible. She was moaning so loud I had to put my hand over her mouth so she wouldn't wake up the neighbors. I think she must of not had a guy in some time-maybe a day or so? LOL. But the club, the music the chicas and the atmosphere was electric, got to recommend it to all the guys who like to party as well as monger. Sorry she wouldn't let me take her picture as she was afraid it would end up here. (BTW-it would)
Great review Zebel. I'm planning to go to Havana in February and possibly visit Cienfuegos & Trinidad for 3 or 4 days. Looking forward to your report about Trinidad. Sammytheman isanother big contributor in this forum. Keep up the great work guys. I'll write a report when I come back.
Before I start on the report, I have to thank Sammytheman for helping me out as I was getting close to leave.
I flew out of tijuana again with a stop in Mexico city. I missed my direct flight to havana and was put on the flight with connection in Cancun. I got to havana around 1:00am and zipped thru the immigration. My luggage had arrived with the earlier flight and was sent to lost and found in terminal 1. I took a cab to terminal 1, woke up the staff and got my carry on. The aduana lady just signed some paper work and I was out in a few minutes. I had the cab waiting and headed straight to vedado. The total cab cost including the wait at terminal 1 was 25 cuc.
The casa that I stayed at was not available but the owner had made arrangements for another casa in vedado. Nothing very special but clean and independent. $35 a night. I chatted with the owner till 3am and went straight to bed. The next morning I called one of the girls that I met last time and she came over. An 18-year old from holguin (but still in havana) with perky racks and good fuck. $40 including taxi. My buddy that decided to join me last minute arrived thru the same route and we ate, took a nap and headed out for a walk. At night, I thought I take my friend to a place to make his head spin. So we headed to club Rio. As usual the place was full of girls and tourist, with a good ratio at the beginning of the night and quite a few 8s and 9s. The starting price is typically 80 cuc and even as high as 100 cuc. If you like to play the game you can talk the price down to 50 cuc including taxi. If you are attracted to more girls that you can fuck in one night, you should take the girl's number (and they happily give it to you) and call her the next day and have her over at your casa quicker and at a much lower rate. Or at least at 50 cuc without having to go thru the back and forth offer and counteroffer game.
The next night we went to jazz club in vedado. Listened to the awesome music and had a few drinks. Entrance 10 cuc and you can spend that inside on anything. Then we headed to casa de la musica around midnight. So many girls and quite a lot of options. And a few 8s and some 9s. I settled with a cutie and started drinking and dancing while my buddy was interviewing literally all the girls in the house. It is around 3am and I am so ready to go home but my buddy still can't decide. As funny as it sounds he ends up with the first girl that he talked to that night. So we head out and at the door the girls ask for the taxi money. Now, I don't usually do that, but I really wanted to get the fuck out and go home. So we paid and went outside. I had never seen so many cops outside casa de la musica, and they were checking inside the cars to make sure there are no girls in them (that's what our cab driver told us). We hesitantly got in a taxi particular and when I asked the driver if it is ok to get in the cab in front of the cops he said "get in, they are here for the girls not the illegal private taxis" we got home, one of the girls showed up with and older guy on a motorcycle but the other girl never showed up. I'd like to believe she got scared of the cops and just couldn't make it. I thought next time I would also get the girls phone number just in case. A pussyless nite, which I was ok with since it wouldn't have been a quality fuck anyways.
The next day we headed to trinidad on viazul to spend a few days there. I will write a report on trinidad in the "other area" section. We spend 2 more days in la habana before we left and I report on that in another post.
http://vimeo.com/33851895
Never seen a better video of the "Havanna Feeling". Hope it's okay to post this. Includes Salon Rojo section and Habana Vieja mongering.
http://vimeo.com/33851895
Never seen a better video of the "Havanna Feeling". Hope it's okay to post this. Includes Salon Rojo section and Habana Vieja mongering.That was an excellent video. My question is how did they get permission in CUBA of all places to shoot the police man with Video. Have video in the clubs et. Also, werent these girls afraid of the repercussions by discussing openly there hatred for Cuba.
The star of the documentary picked up a smoking hot girl on the street. (non pro a sweetheart as he called it) I am sure there was a lot of editing but how realistic is that for the average tourist.
That was an excellent video. My question is how did they get permission in CUBA of all places to shoot the police man with Video. Have video in the clubs et. Also, werent these girls afraid of the repercussions by discussing openly there hatred for Cuba.
The star of the documentary picked up a smoking hot girl on the street. (non pro a sweetheart as he called it) I am sure there was a lot of editing but how realistic is that for the average tourist.I think it's clear it was a hidden camera or he said it wasn't turned on. Many scenes you can see both his hands, so it looks like he put it in a hat or something.
I think it's clear it was a hidden camera or he said it wasn't turned on. Many scenes you can see both his hands, so it looks like he put it in a hat or something.I agree in some of the scenes but others the gilrs knew they were being filmed. The quality of the hidden camera too is excellent.
How realistic is it to meet girls (hot ones non pros) on the street like that there and end up banging them that night or the next?
Of all the places I have been to I have never seen it that easy. At least not with that kind of quality.
Please note that this is a good young looking guy. This also makes it easy, a fat, old man like me has to talk about money. 60 or 70 cuc at least.
I agree in some of the scenes but others the gilrs knew they were being filmed. The quality of the hidden camera too is excellent.
How realistic is it to meet girls (hot ones non pros) on the street like that there and end up banging them that night or the next?
Of all the places I have been to I have never seen it that easy. At least not with that kind of quality.Contrary to what a lot of guys will tell you, it does depend on your age and appearance. It's true just about any guy can get a hot looking pro (who might pretend she's not) , but regular Cuban girls. Although promiscuous. Do have some standards. I've heard stories from lots of girls that they pass off old men to their friends that are willing to be with them. It's also pretty hard to tell, especially if you are new to Cuba, when a girl is a semi pro. If she's hanging out on Opisbo, where that guy was, wearing a nice dress and takes a liking to you that quick, she's most likely at least a semi-pro. I've met a many regular girls that won't do anything with you the first time you meet, but typically will by the second or third time and don't ask for money. But in reality they are hoping you will at least help them out. I've only met a small number that actually refuse to take any money and these have all been girls with a real job.
Contrary to what a lot of guys will tell you, it does depend on your age and appearance. It's true just about any guy can get a hot looking pro (who might pretend she's not) , but regular Cuban girls. Although promiscuous. Do have some standards. I've heard stories from lots of girls that they pass off old men to their friends that are willing to be with them. It's also pretty hard to tell, especially if you are new to Cuba, when a girl is a semi pro. If she's hanging out on Opisbo, where that guy was, wearing a nice dress and takes a liking to you that quick, she's most likely at least a semi-pro. I've met a many regular girls that won't do anything with you the first time you meet, but typically will by the second or third time and don't ask for money. But in reality they are hoping you will at least help them out. I've only met a small number that actually refuse to take any money and these have all been girls with a real job.Thanks Chico, Yeah in the Documentary he makes it seem like she was an innocent sweetheart normal girl. In reality she probably isn't a pro or even a semi pro but is definately willing to give it up for the chance to be something more than she is (she wants to be a model) or maybe even some $ which the Film maker may have given her to do that modeling strip thing at the end. Also we don't know how many girls he approached before finally getting a willing participant. I guess we won't really know the actuall truth. Don't get me wrong, (I am 38 in good shape and think I am good looking) if I ended up with that girl in the Video I would consider my Cuba trip a roaring success.
Chico, Do the girls down there really envision making a life with a gringo. I consider my self a world traveler and in most countries the gringo card works well but not to the extent I see in the video. That girl seemed downright enamored and desperate. It seems in CUBA it would be next to impossible to actually get her out of there. Any way thats my impression and would like your opinion thanks.
Thanks Chico, Yeah in the Documentary he makes it seem like she was an innocent sweetheart normal girl. In reality she probably isn't a pro or even a semi pro but is definately willing to give it up for the chance to be something more than she is (she wants to be a model) or maybe even some $ which the Film maker may have given her to do that modeling strip thing at the end. Also we don't know how many girls he approached before finally getting a willing participant. I guess we won't really know the actuall truth. Don't get me wrong, (I am 38 in good shape and think I am good looking) if I ended up with that girl in the Video I would consider my Cuba trip a roaring success.
Chico, Do the girls down there really envision making a life with a gringo. I consider my self a world traveler and in most countries the gringo card works well but not to the extent I see in the video. That girl seemed downright enamored and desperate. It seems in CUBA it would be next to impossible to actually get her out of there. Any way thats my impression and would like your opinion thanks.I'm sure everyone has a different point of view, but I take a more cynical approach. It's only natural that young girls want what comes from having a foreign boyfriend (financial security, etc) and it is a dream for many, but the more common experience (I have seen literally a hundred times) is a foreign tourist comes to Cuba and falls for a beautiful young girl who tells him everything he wants to hear. Then he sends money monthly, but the entire time she either has a Cuban boyfriend or is still hooking up with foreigners or both. I even know more than a few examples of foreigners paying to renovate or buy (permutar) a house for a girl and she lives there with her boyfriend / husband who moves out during the time the foreigner visits. I hate to say it (but it's true) when it comes to a long distance relationship with a Cuban girl, you can't trust them. And I mean none.
If someone was thinking of meeting a girl and taking her out of Cuba, I highly recommend against it. Culturally it wouldn't work unless she is really educated and mature. Cubans are so close to their family and friends, to take her away with little contact to a 1st world country where she may not speak the language and doesn't know anyone is a recipe for disaster. I honestly can not see that working more than 1 in a 100 times.
It was not fair to put this video on line as those girls may have been sent to jail by this time. We must respect other human beings wherever they live for their security.
Thanks for the video. Great camera work. Filmed in Hotel Ambos Mundos (Calle Obispo) in 2011. The protagonista has lost her innocence in my eyes when she asked for Red Bull.
I'm sure everyone has a different point of view, but I take a more cynical approach. It's only natural that young girls want what comes from having a foreign boyfriend (financial security, etc) and it is a dream for many, but the more common experience (I have seen literally a hundred times) is a foreign tourist comes to Cuba and falls for a beautiful young girl who tells him everything he wants to hear. Then he sends money monthly, but the entire time she either has a Cuban boyfriend or is still hooking up with foreigners or both. I even know more than a few examples of foreigners paying to renovate or buy (permutar) a house for a girl and she lives there with her boyfriend / husband who moves out during the time the foreigner visits. I hate to say it (but it's true) when it comes to a long distance relationship with a Cuban girl, you can't trust them. And I mean none.
If someone was thinking of meeting a girl and taking her out of Cuba, I highly recommend against it. Culturally it wouldn't work unless she is really educated and mature. Cubans are so close to their family and friends, to take her away with little contact to a 1st world country where she may not speak the language and doesn't know anyone is a recipe for disaster. I honestly can not see that working more than 1 in a 100 times.I second that, amor de lejos, es amor de pendejo.
I am wondering why the girl drinking a red bull makes her lose her innocence.
i am wondering why the girl drinking a red bull makes her lose her innocence.i know what he means, if i understand his point correctly. red bull is more expense than beer or rum at a disco and regular cubans would never drink it. for her to casually ask for the most expensive drink they have basically gives her away as a jinetera who is use to going to discos and hitting up foreigners for drinks.
regarding the video, if the cuban authorities come across it (and they do search the internet for such things) you can almost guarantee the guy has basically condemned the workers at the ambos mundos to 15 years in prison. that guy should never return to cuba because if they ever find out his name he will be off to prison as well. a spanish reporter did a report on prostitution in cuba once and when he went back he was arrested and put in prison for sleeping with ****d girls (as evidenced by him talking to them in his video).
Sammytheman
12-25-11, 01:42
That guy should never return to Cuba because if they ever find out his name he will be off to prison as well.Why would the guy go to prison? The girls seemed over 18, unless I am missing something.
LittleTruths
12-25-11, 02:06
I hate to say it (but it's true) when it comes to a long distance relationship with a Cuban girl, you can't trust them. And I mean none.
If someone was thinking of meeting a girl and taking her out of Cuba, I highly recommend against it. Culturally it wouldn't work unless she is really educated and mature. Cubans are so close to their family and friends, to take her away with little contact to a 1st world country where she may not speak the language and doesn't know anyone is a recipe for disaster. I honestly can not see that working more than 1 in a 100 times.Not only Cuban gals, but all of them. Long distance relationships don't work, period.
I have to say tho, that in Cuba it gets to a really ridiculous extent and they do act that way even between themselves. Meaning that if the partner isn't on the spot right at that time, it's like there isn't any partner at all.
That's how most of them see it.
Concerning taking a Cuban gal away from there to your home country; it could work if you happen to share the same interests and thoroughly enjoy the same things they enjoy; dancing, drinking, clubbing (and fucking which I won't put in the list because we all know we do). Cubans don't really seem to be up for anything else, all they know how to enjoy themselves is clubbing and dancing and drinking, period. Living with a Cuban partner anywhere means either dedicating a hell of a lot of time to those activities or having her depressed.
I have personally never met a Cuban anywhere outside Cuba that wasn't either selling sex and / or giving dancing classes or at the most working in latin clubs as bartender.
That's pretty much as far as they get.
i know what he means, if i understand his point correctly. red bull is more expense than beer or rum at a disco and regular cubans would never drink it. for her to casually ask for the most expensive drink they have basically gives her away as a jinetera who is use to going to discos and hitting up foreigners for drinks.
regarding the video, if the cuban authorities come across it (and they do search the internet for such things) you can almost guarantee the guy has basically condemned the workers at the ambos mundos to 15 years in prison. that guy should never return to cuba because if they ever find out his name he will be off to prison as well. a spanish reporter did a report on prostitution in cuba once and when he went back he was arrested and put in prison for sleeping with ****d girls (as evidenced by him talking to them in his video).yes chico you are absolutely right about the red bull thing. i am trying to read behind the lines of the documentary and although it is very good there has to be some serious editing that was done. yeah that girl isn't quite as innocent as he made her out to be. anyway, i haven't been to cuba but am already booking a trip in january because the quality of the girls in that video convinced me.
can i change mexican pesos there without paying the penalty fee or is it better to go with euros or canadian dollars.
The guy had to request a filming permit and apply for a visa as a film producer. Next time he likely has a chance to be detained at the immigration and / or denied entry.
Also, the girl in question answered 'I'm learning English' when asked about her occupation. Simply put, an answer 'I am a medical student' or 'I study English' means 'I'm hooking'.
Mexican pesos are OK. There is no need in double exchange.
As for soft drinks, they may cost 0. 5 to 1 CUC and Red Bull likely double that price.
The guy had to request a filming permit and apply for a visa as a film producer. Next time he likely has a chance to be detained at the immigration and / or denied entry.
Also, the girl in question answered 'I'm learning English' when asked about her occupation. Simply put, an answer 'I am a medical student' or 'I study English' means 'I'm hooking'.
Mexican pesos are OK. There is no need in double exchange.
As for soft drinks, they may cost 0. 5 to 1 CUC and Red Bull likely double that price.Well I will be flying in through Cancun so I will change my US Dollars to Mex Pesos then change Mex Pesos in to Cuban Pesos.
If that girl is hooking I certainly hope I run into her.
Any Fishing charters down there For Marlin, Sails, Dolphin et. I hear its an untouched deep sea fishing spot. Also Any casinos maybe black market. Thanks again!
Well I will be flying in through Cancun so I will change my US Dollars to Mex Pesos then change Mex Pesos in to Cuban Pesos.
If that girl is hooking I certainly hope I run into her.
Any Fishing charters down there For Marlin, Sails, Dolphin et. I hear its an untouched deep sea fishing spot. Also Any casinos maybe black market. Thanks again!Forget that girl. Seas are plenty of fish. Obispo is a hunting strait. You have to be discreet there and fast to pull a girl which has swallowed a bait. Boats are available through major tour operators. Visit Marina Hemingway. I have no interest in casinos and most Cubans won't like the idea either.
el chico you are wright about this, this type of guys are discusting, his attitude is over the top.
i know what he means, if i understand his point correctly. red bull is more expense than beer or rum at a disco and regular cubans would never drink it. for her to casually ask for the most expensive drink they have basically gives her away as a jinetera who is use to going to discos and hitting up foreigners for drinks.
regarding the video, if the cuban authorities come across it (and they do search the internet for such things) you can almost guarantee the guy has basically condemned the workers at the ambos mundos to 15 years in prison. that guy should never return to cuba because if they ever find out his name he will be off to prison as well. a spanish reporter did a report on prostitution in cuba once and when he went back he was arrested and put in prison for sleeping with ****d girls (as evidenced by him talking to them in his video).
AlexisLatino
12-25-11, 19:12
Hello, guys, might you tell me what video you are talking about?
Maybe you can send me a link; I'd like to see those images.
Thanks fellas!
Alexis
Kalifornication
12-25-11, 20:30
The fella that made this video and then posted it online for the world to view (including the Cuban authorities, no doubt by now they have seen it) , has, to be sure, destroyed the lives of more than a few Cubans. What an ass. In terms of the video, and his attempt at a documentary, the Center for Social Media published "Honest Truths: Documentary Filmmakers on Ethical Challenges in Their Work" and assert, in part:
SUBJECTS: DO NO HARM, PROTECT THE VULNERABLE.
In thinking about their subjects, filmmakers typically described a relationship in which the filmmaker had more social and sometimes economic power than the subject. In this case, they worked for a good-faith relationship that would not put their subjects at risk or cause them to be worse off than they were before the relationship began. They widely shared the notions of 'Do no harm' and 'Protect the vulnerable. '
See http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/making-your-media-matter/documents/best-practices/honest-truths-documentary-filmmakers-ethical-challenges
I just can't get over the fact that this guy made no attempt to protect the identity of these folks.
El chico you are wright about this, this type of guys are discusting, his attitude is over the top.
In his defense to some extent, many of the people in the video knew they were being filmed and knew he was going to make a movie. Some others probably not.
Questner Thanks for the tips on where to find a charter boat.
What are gas prices like there. Just out of curiosity. I know the Castros are in bed with Chavez so maybe Fuel is subsidized
Kalifornication
12-25-11, 21:07
his name is andrew lindy. andrew lindy has his own website wherein he posts this doc as well as other videos he has attempted. not too difficult to discover this data about andrew. hence, i suspect he'll not return to cuba. my god, was he this stupid or was it just all about andrew, and just fuck these poor cubans?
quote=el chico; 1229877]i know what he means, if i understand his point correctly. red bull is more expense than beer or rum at a disco and regular cubans would never drink it. for her to casually ask for the most expensive drink they have basically gives her away as a jinetera who is use to going to discos and hitting up foreigners for drinks.
regarding the video, if the cuban authorities come across it (and they do search the internet for such things) you can almost guarantee the guy has basically condemned the workers at the ambos mundos to 15 years in prison. that guy should never return to cuba because if they ever find out his name he will be off to prison as well. a spanish reporter did a report on prostitution in cuba once and when he went back he was arrested and put in prison for sleeping with ****d girls (as evidenced by him talking to them in his video).[/quote]
Kalifornication
12-25-11, 21:09
Not suggesting you are asserting a non-truth, but how do you know they knew they were being taped? Got the waiver / release? Further, do you think they had any idea this would go to the WORLD WIDE WEB? Did ANDREW LINDY convey this information as well? Are you Andrew's agent?
In his defense to some extent, many of the people in the video knew they were being filmed and knew he was going to make a movie. Some others probably not.
Questner Thanks for the tips on where to find a charter boat.
What are gas prices like there. Just out of curiosity. I know the Castros are in bed with Chavez so maybe Fuel is subsidized
Kalifornication
12-25-11, 21:14
MFINS, ... are you ANDREW LINDY?
Not suggesting you are asserting a non-truth, but how do you know they knew they were being taped? Got the waiver / release? Further, do you think they had any idea this would go to the WORLD WIDE WEB? Did ANDREW LINDY convey this information as well? Are you Andrew's agent?
I am not andrew or his agent. Just a video that I watched and found very interesting. If you watch the video the girl in it says are you filming now. She is very aware she is being filmed for a movie or Documentary.
The cop in the video, the door men at the hotel et probably were filmed with an undercover camera and they surely didn't know they were being filmed or that a video would be made.
I have no idea whether the girls who modeled for him, the sweetheart girl or the girl who took him back to her poor house knew it would be posted on the Web but, they knew they were getting filmed and knew the risks. I am sure he paid the poor girl and the sweetheart one said she wanted to be a model so surely she had some grand idea that if she posed and did a photo shoot for him that she may get noticed, exposure et.
.you can almost guarantee the guy has basically condemned the workers at the Ambos Mundos to 15 years in prison.And why tehrse workers should not go for 15 years in prison? If you have a half-normal girl you can oficially pay in hotel and bring her in your room, pool, etc. The guy wants "break" on official fee and the hotel guard is literary stealing money from his employer. It's freeking breach of trust and theft. It is the same as a carpeta employee would steel money from cashier's box. Huh, yeah, and don't start the crap "they are working for 15CUC a month etc" it does not jutifies stealing in position of trust from your employer. They should be prosecuted to maximum extent of law. That's one of the reasons why the state can not pay normal salaries be / see everybody who has opportunity is stealing and then they wondern why the state has no $ to pay decent wages (or half-decent).
In his defense to some extent, many of the people in the video knew they were being filmed and knew he was going to make a movie. Some others probably not.
Questner Thanks for the tips on where to find a charter boat.
What are gas prices like there. Just out of curiosity. I know the Castros are in bed with Chavez so maybe Fuel is subsidizedCuban taxis buy gas at subsidized prices. That's why it is always a good idea to consider hiring a Cuban driver and using his car. This way he takes on the third part liability and likely pays less for gas.
Cuban taxis buy gas at subsidized prices. That's why it is always a good idea to consider hiring a Cuban driver and using his car. This way he takes on the third part liability and likely pays less for gas.Thanks- ya I would never rent a car. I like to drink too much. I was more just wondering for the charter boats. Cheap gas equals cheap rates.
Kalifornication
12-26-11, 05:18
Look, I have this impression of Cuba, perhaps I am not entirely correct, but my view is that they do not all appreciate the impact of the internet and where a mere photo or video, as they see it, might -in fact- take them. They DO NOT have the sort of acess to the internet as do we, and therefore are far too naive in this regard. I would argue that given the risk they are now exposed to, they did not know where this was going.
It is sad really, mainly because were this any other country, say Austin, Texas USA, the door man and the hotel manager would be fired and they would then move on with their mundane lives. However this is Cuba. And these folks hold valuable government jobs and access to tourist dinero, and used that access to supplement their income. Is this a crime deserving of jail time, No! But that is likely what they will get.
You say " ... If you watch the video the girl in it says are you filming now. She is very aware she is being filmed for a movie or Documentary." Perhaps she is aware she is being filmed, I grant you that. But what she knew in terms of where this video was going is in question. I am speaking of informed consent.
Oh well.
I am not andrew or his agent. Just a video that I watched and found very interesting. If you watch the video the girl in it says are you filming now. She is very aware she is being filmed for a movie or Documentary.
The cop in the video, the door men at the hotel et probably were filmed with an undercover camera and they surely didn't know they were being filmed or that a video would be made.
I have no idea whether the girls who modeled for him, the sweetheart girl or the girl who took him back to her poor house knew it would be posted on the Web but, they knew they were getting filmed and knew the risks. I am sure he paid the poor girl and the sweetheart one said she wanted to be a model so surely she had some grand idea that if she posed and did a photo shoot for him that she may get noticed, exposure et.
Szympans28
12-26-11, 21:18
Hi guys.
Do anyone no any places with good action around Cojimar / Havana del este?
Cheers
Look, I have this impression of Cuba, perhaps I am not entirely correct, but my view is that they do not all appreciate the impact of the internet and where a mere photo or video, as they see it, might.in fact- take them. They DO NOT have the sort of acess to the internet as do we, and therefore are far too naive in this regard. I would argue that given the risk they are now exposed to, they did not know where this was going.
It is sad really, mainly because were this any other country, say Austin, Texas USA, the door man and the hotel manager would be fired and they would then move on with their mundane lives. However this is Cuba. And these folks hold valuable government jobs and access to tourist dinero, and used that access to supplement their income. Is this a crime deserving of jail time, No! But that is likely what they will get.
You say ". If you watch the video the girl in it says are you filming now. She is very aware she is being filmed for a movie or Documentary." Perhaps she is aware she is being filmed, I grant you that. But what she knew in terms of where this video was going is in question. I am speaking of informed consent.
Oh well.Yes Everything you say is possible but, She was studying english and spoke it. (her sister spoke it perfectly) She knew that Models in Cuba go no where and models in the USA or other parts can be famous. She knew there is gain elsewhere in the world and knew that in Cuba people go nowhere. Only live to eat and survive like animals as she put it. I just don't think she was that Naive. She knew he was making a film and was going to use her in it. I am quite sure of that. She was probably hoping it would get out and she might get noticed. Probably a risk she was willing to take. She had knowledge of the outside world. I think she also understands clearly what could happen to her if a Video like that got out and the repercusions involved. What I don't know is this, Is the cuban govt still this repressive on there own citiens. What I mean is I can understand in Cuba the govt. Jailing someone for publishing a paper or radio show damning Castro or talking bad about Cuba but, are they going to really search the internet to find a video and go after that girl for what she said. Will they really go after the Doorman for taking money or leading the Film maker to a room where there are prostitutes. I don't know as I have yet to visit there. I tend to doubt it but I will defer to the Cuba experts.
my opinion.
A cuban girl wanting a red bull, mojito or anything expensive makes me think she wants money from me.
Dont put information on the internet pointing directly to cubans in combination with hustling. how to be sure it wont harm them.
Finding a 'normal, reel cuban girlfriend' in the street, in daytime is not that easy.
Falling in love with a cuban girl an wanting to take her home is a tempting idea, but leave the idea and the girl in cuba.
I don't think what she said wasn't something any Cuban could tell you about life in Cuba. She didn't motherfuck the government on film. She described a situation that is obvious for anyone with eyes to see.
Prostitutes are not prosecuted in Cuba because prostitution is against the law. They are pressed because they have access to hard currency and cops want some of it. Lacra cops have an active campaign to shake down prostitutes. They shake down the girls and put the paperwork aside, pending payment of amounts of 500cuc or more. An ugly business, for sure.
Good people don't make bad people do bad things. Doc workers in Havana steal from containers, Cigar factory workers sell cigars, restaurant workers steal the inventory. Cops use their position to extort money from whoever they can. Communism, and the necessity it's corruption creates brings this about.
THe gov't isn't stupid. They know the only things worth going to Cuba for is the cigars and the pussy. This is their way of 'taxing' the underground industry.
To be clear, I hate that it happens. But I'm not so naive to think it's a secret.
http://vimeo.com/33851895
Never seen a better video of the "Havanna Feeling". Hope it's okay to post this. Includes Salon Rojo section and Habana Vieja mongering.I am really having a difficult time playing this video. It will play for a second or two, then pause for 10-15 seconds. Then play for another second or two, then pause. It is driving me f-ing crazy. I have gone on Andrew Lindy's website and tried to play the video directly from there. And the exact same problem. Any advice from you IT geeks out there? How can I play this? Is it a problem with my computer? Other videos seem to run fine.
A little help guys.
John Dough
12-30-11, 06:29
I am really having a difficult time playing this video. It will play for a second or two, then pause for 10-15 seconds. Then play for another second or two, then pause. It is driving me f-ing crazy. I have gone on Andrew Lindy's website and tried to play the video directly from there. And the exact same problem. Any advice from you IT geeks out there? How can I play this? Is it a problem with my computer? Other videos seem to run fine.
A little help guys.That video has higher resolution (better picture quality) than most. You need a faster internet connection. You can also just click the pause button after it starts. Wait ten or fifteen minutes for the data to load on your computer before clicking the play button. If it starts to pause again, click the pause button and wait again.
That video has higher resolution (better picture quality) than most. You need a faster internet connection. You can also just click the pause button after it starts. Wait ten or fifteen minutes for the data to load on your computer before clicking the play button. If it starts to pause again, click the pause button and wait again.Thanks so much. I will give your suggestions a try.
Nog
That video has higher resolution (better picture quality) than most. You need a faster internet connection. You can also just click the pause button after it starts. Wait ten or fifteen minutes for the data to load on your computer before clicking the play button. If it starts to pause again, click the pause button and wait again.Senor Dough.
Hey. That advice worked like a charm. Perfect. Thanks so much. The video was really insightful and the two main women. Wow. Now I have to figure out a way to get to Cuba.
Nog
Hey guys, I'm interested if anyone heared that pope Benedict 16 is coming to Cuba in 2012? Is there going to be a problem with partying in Cuba once he is going to leave or before he comes to Cuba, same question for mongering? Because I'm planing to visit Cuba in 2012, and I want to have a good time there. Thanks to everyone who helps me with my question.
CubanBorn87
01-02-12, 12:54
Hey guys, I'm interested if anyone heared that pope Benedict 16 is coming to Cuba in 2012? Is there going to be a problem with partying in Cuba once he is going to leave or before he comes to Cuba, same question for mongering? Because I'm planing to visit Cuba in 2012, and I want to have a good time there. Thanks to everyone who helps me with my question.Great question I wonder the same, I am going to Cuba in April so I hope that doesn't spoil things.
[QUOTE=CubanBorn87; 1232653]Great question I wonder the same, I am going to Cuba in April so I hope that doesn't spoil things. [/QUOT.
If I was you I changed my trip to MAY 2012, it is going to be zero tolerance a few weeks before and a few weeks after HIS visit. But zero tolerance in a Cuban way. By that I mean very, very bad for mongering.
BeersTerry
01-03-12, 02:02
You guys are fucking retarded. Where the pope is, is where the police are which means there are no police anywhere else.
You guys are fucking retarded. Where the pope is, is where the police are which means there are no police anywhere else.Yeah.
He plans to be only one day in El Cobre on March 27 (26 in Santiago and on 28 out).
He will arrive March 26 in Santiago and depart 27 afternoon to La Habana. There will be a program on Plaza de la Revolucion on Wednesday. 28.
It is possible the Cuban government could clean up as they did in 1998. Which makes mongering a bit more difficult, but not impossible at all.
BTW: No need to say somebody is fucking retarded for asking.
BeersTerry
01-04-12, 22:53
Okay then, for the politically correct and the incredibly sensitive.
Have you ever thought that the police will be massed to guard the pope and the route he will be travellling instead of being in (name a town) protecting young Cuban women from overly ambitious gringos?
Beersterry- People are talking about the 2 weeks before he shows. Cops will be there cleaning up, enforcing laws, encouraging (forecefully with arrest or otherwise) to stay home for the next month.
I don't think people are too worried about the 2 or 3 days the Pope is actually there.
CubanBorn87
01-06-12, 03:41
Great question I wonder the same, I am going to Cuba in April so I hope that doesn't spoil things. If I was you I changed my trip to MAY 2012, it is going to be zero tolerance a few weeks before and a few weeks after HIS visit. But zero tolerance in a Cuban way. By that I mean very, very bad for mongering.I am going to be there April 6th and stay for 2 weeks, damn!
Kalifornication
01-07-12, 05:10
Look, If you have not been to Cuba, then temper your assumptions.
I happen to support the Cuban government when taking into account -on balance-the quality of life provided to the Cuban population in relation to like islands (I. E, DR and / or Hati). The average Cuban is far better off than the average Hatian or Dominican.
Regarding the video, did anyone notice that when Andrew Lindy approached the alleged sweetheart, she waves off two Cuban fellas that seem very interested in her or the transaction. I smell chulos and a jinitera, not the sweet innocent girl she is assumed to be. And the manner and coolness in which she shed these unwanted chulos was done with such ease that I have no doubt she is a jinitera.
Yes Everything you say is possible but, She was studying english and spoke it. (her sister spoke it perfectly) She knew that Models in Cuba go no where and models in the USA or other parts can be famous. She knew there is gain elsewhere in the world and knew that in Cuba people go nowhere. Only live to eat and survive like animals as she put it. I just don't think she was that Naive. She knew he was making a film and was going to use her in it. I am quite sure of that. She was probably hoping it would get out and she might get noticed. Probably a risk she was willing to take. She had knowledge of the outside world. I think she also understands clearly what could happen to her if a Video like that got out and the repercusions involved. What I don't know is this, Is the cuban govt still this repressive on there own citiens. What I mean is I can understand in Cuba the govt. Jailing someone for publishing a paper or radio show damning Castro or talking bad about Cuba but, are they going to really search the internet to find a video and go after that girl for what she said. Will they really go after the Doorman for taking money or leading the Film maker to a room where there are prostitutes. I don't know as I have yet to visit there. I tend to doubt it but I will defer to the Cuba experts.
Look, If you have not been to Cuba, then temper your assumptions.
I happen to support the Cuban government when taking into account.on balance-the quality of life provided to the Cuban population in relation to like islands (I. E, DR and / or Hati). The average Cuban is far better off than the average Hatian or Dominican.
Regarding the video, did anyone notice that when Andrew Lindy approached the alleged sweetheart, she waves off two Cuban fellas that seem very interested in her or the transaction. I smell chulos and a jinitera, not the sweet innocent girl she is assumed to be. And the manner and coolness in which she shed these unwanted chulos was done with such ease that I have no doubt she is a jinitera.Kalifornication, you are absolutely wright, she is definitely a jinetera, after 15 years Cuba, I can see it at the girl's faces.
Kalifornication, you are absolutely wright, she is definitely a jinetera, after 15 years Cuba, I can see it at the girl's faces.I agree with you on one point. She is not the innocent sort MR lindy makes her out to be which proves my other point.
She knows what she's doing how she's doing it and knows its going on the internet, film et.
She knows the risks and I do not think the Cuban Govt will go after her or the others in that film.
Kalifornication
01-08-12, 02:33
You say you have not been to Cuba, . Fine. As for going after girls, the Cuban government does it all the time. They send them away to "camp" for a few months or perhaps years. I know this to be a fact. You take quite a leap to reach the conclusion that she was aware of the final destination of this video, jinitera or not. But hey, . Man, its your opinion.
I agree with you on one point. She is not the innocent sort MR lindy makes her out to be which proves my other point.
She knows what she's doing how she's doing it and knows its going on the internet, film et.
She knows the risks and I do not think the Cuban Govt will go after her or the others in that film.
The chick was posing in front of a Video Camera doing a dance being interviewed. She knew he was filming a movie or Documentary. Seems fairly obvious she knew what was going to happen to the video. Its communism down there but people arent stupid. They have phones, et. They know about the world.
I have been to Cuba actually. Went in 1996 but was detained because I went with an expired passport and was put on a flight two days latter back to Nassau. So I guess that really doesn't count as going but my experience in those two days gained me a wealth of knowledge about the cuban police govt et.
The officers in the jail, the immigration police, et. Knew more about the US et than I could have ever imagined.
Kalifornication
01-09-12, 02:58
That is interesting, my initial trip to Cuba was in 1996 as well, . But I went as a licensed researcher conducting a comparative law study. No offense brother, but two days in detention does not make you a scholar on the issues of Cuba. How long have they had cell telephones? How many Cubans actually have access to the internet. Do you know many of the Cubans I meet actually believe that life in America is exactly as it is depicted in the media, I. E, film? Further, Havana is not the "real" Cuba. My god no!
They are not stupid, but they are clueless in many respects, . Like, for example, thinking that all tourists are filthy rich. If we here are the boards were filthy rich, there would be no need to travel to Cuba for the hobby, . Right?
I'd bet she had no idea. But here let me squash this right now, . I have communicated with Andrew and he has confirmed that although she knew she was being filmed, she did not know the works final destination.
The chick was posing in front of a Video Camera doing a dance being interviewed. She knew he was filming a movie or Documentary. Seems fairly obvious she knew what was going to happen to the video. Its communism down there but people arent stupid. They have phones, et. They know about the world.
I have been to Cuba actually. Went in 1996 but was detained because I went with an expired passport and was put on a flight two days latter back to Nassau. So I guess that really doesn't count as going but my experience in those two days gained me a wealth of knowledge about the cuban police govt et.
The officers in the jail, the immigration police, et. Knew more about the US et than I could have ever imagined.
Sorry but as a Cuban my self that lives in South Florida and interacts with many other Cubans many of them lived there most of their lives or just got to the states. I can tell you with absolute certainty that nothing will happen to the girls or the guy that made the video if he ever goes back. About them believing that all tourists are filthy rich is not true but they know that you have money to spend and they know exactly how 2 work you so that you start spending it. The rest about cell phones, internet and Havana not been the real Cuba that true. But go to Cuba and try 2 find one of the girls or pimps in Salon Rojo or la Cecilia or any of the other popular clubs or the cab drivers that doesn't own a cell phone. In other words till you live in that 3rd world sh*t hole of a country you have no clue whats really going on in it. Next time you go to Cuba ask a few cab drivers the one that use their own car how mush they paid for the car you will be surprise.
FYI it a sh*t hole but damn is it fun sh*t hole if you are a tourist.
That is interesting, my initial trip to Cuba was in 1996 as well, . But I went as a licensed researcher conducting a comparative law study. No offense brother, but two days in detention does not make you a scholar on the issues of Cuba. How long have they had cell telephones? How many Cubans actually have access to the internet. Do you know many of the Cubans I meet actually believe that life in America is exactly as it is depicted in the media, I. E, film? Further, Havana is not the "real" Cuba. My god no!
They are not stupid, but they are clueless in many respects, . Like, for example, thinking that all tourists are filthy rich. If we here are the boards were filthy rich, there would be no need to travel to Cuba for the hobby, . Right?
I'd bet she had no idea. But here let me squash this right now, . I have communicated with Andrew and he has confirmed that although she knew she was being filmed, she did not know the works final destination.
Kalifornication
01-09-12, 14:54
Lusifer69,
No disrespect but, . You live in South Florida, so for me. 99. 9% of what you have to offer in terms of Cuba is suspect (of course I could be wrong about you?). Sorry, that is just the rule I apply to Cuban Americans. Yes it is wrong to generalize, but 99. 9% of the time I attempt an intelligent conversation with Cuban Americans regarding the Island, it tends to unfold into insults.
Further:
1. You live in South Florida, I live on the east Coast but am in Cuba at least once a month.
2. I do not go to Havana unless I choose to, . I stay with family in Central Cuba.
3. I can tell you with absolute certainty that I have witnesses girls that I have known taken to jail and sent off for months at a time.
4. And more interesting, I am amazed that you can assert that you can tell me with absolute certainty that "nothing will happen to the girls or the guy that made the video if he ever goes back." Your are either connected to persons within the Cuban government that have already viewed the tape and have assured you that nothing will happen to these people, or, like most Cuban Americans, you are making a bold statement that is unsupported. Care to share your absolute certainty? I bet not.
5. I disagree with you on the filthy rich point. What I do find interesting when I am in Cuba, however, is the degree to which Cubans from America flaunt their "new found wealth" in the face of "poor" Cubans in an effort to instill a sense of envy. I find this behavior childish.
6. As for the cars and their prices, I am very well aware of the fact that a Lada can sale for thousands of CUC. Its cheaper to purchase a house or trade a house in Cuba than to purchase a car. Wiser too. Hence, I would not be the least bit surprised about the cost of a vehicle in Cuba.
Lastly, only a Cuban American would call Cuba, the land from which he/she came, a shit whole. Man, this is your motherland! Cuban Americans never stop to amaze me. But, on that note, I must share this letter that a Cuban living in Florida sent Andrew, this letter is written by what I deem a real Cuban and a real human being, . She has forced me to challenge my own assumptions about Cuban Americans and Cubans in America:
"Letter From A Proud Cuban Women.
Hi Andrew.
I'm totally disappointed!
How is it possible a famous, remarkable and outstanding photographer like you travelled to my country in order to look for 'prostitutes', and then try to sell the false image that most of the Cuban young women are 'devoted' to the same activity? How much were you paid for that? Dirty money [here she is surely speaking of the Miami Mafia]. Shame on you!
You are wrong, and I wonder if I'm being naive thinking you didn't have a hidden bad intention filming such a documentary.
That a small group in society that neither work nor study tries to live as parasites selling their body doesn't mean most of our youth are such worthless individuals.
Thank God, most of our young women are decent, workers and / or students with high moral codes, so you better keep on taking pictures without harming the image of the Cuban women, to which I proudly belong.
Thanks.
Gaby"
Sorry but as a Cuban my self that lives in South Florida and interacts with many other Cubans many of them lived there most of their lives or just got to the states. I can tell you with absolute certainty that nothing will happen to the girls or the guy that made the video if he ever goes back. About them believing that all tourists are filthy rich is not true but they know that you have money to spend and they know exactly how 2 work you so that you start spending it. The rest about cell phones, internet and Havana not been the real Cuba that true. But go to Cuba and try 2 find one of the girls or pimps in Salon Rojo or la Cecilia or any of the other popular clubs or the cab drivers that doesn't own a cell phone. In other words till you live in that 3rd world sh*t hole of a country you have no clue whats really going on in it. Next time you go to Cuba ask a few cab drivers the one that use their own car how mush they paid for the car you will be surprise.
FYI it a sh*t hole but damn is it fun sh*t hole if you are a tourist.
Sammytheman
01-09-12, 18:21
in Cuba at least once a month.And I thought I was the one who goes there a lot. Rollseyes S:O.
Guys we should put an end to the topic of this dude filming this pussymentary.
Lets write reports and tips so we can help each other, like the good old days!
Kalifornication
01-09-12, 22:02
Sam, you know this to be true,.smile- I just returned and will see you in camaguey on jan 31, I hope. Topic is over!
And I thought I was the one who goes there a lot. Rollseyes S:O.
Guys we should put an end to the topic of this dude filming this pussymentary.
Lets write reports and tips so we can help each other, like the good old days!
Sam, you know this to be true,.smile- I just returned and will see you in camaguey on jan 31, I hope. Topic is over!Kalifornication, Sometimes in writing emails, texts et there is something lost in the translation. I bet if we sat down and talked we would both understand each others points better. I think there is something being overlooked by both of us in these posts. As far as what will happen to the poor people who were filmed (knowing or not) (understanding or not) We won't know and no one will know for a fact. We can only speculate.
People seem to imply that most cuban working girls (in Cuba) are jaded, liers, and scammers. There is no real GFE and that they have a decepitveness to them much more than other latinas. I have been to almost every spanish speaking country in the world. Most putas definately have a business side to them and most have an angle, but are cuban chicas that much worse. Do they put the other latin putas to shame, or do they compare about evenly.
Sammytheman
01-10-12, 00:38
I have been to almost every spanish speaking country in the world. Most putas definately have a business side to them and most have an angle, but are cuban chicas that much worse. Do they put the other latin putas to shame, or do they compare about evenly.I have been to Cuba many times and mostly out of Havana and to be honest, very few girls discussed money and if they did, it was after the deed.
You know the old saying,"Girls just want to have fun", and showing them a good time and spending some money on them will get you good rewards. And that's what I do.
Whether they are putas or wifey material is none of my concern because I go to Cuba to have fun, not get a girlfriend. If you are looking for a good girl who will treat you like her boyfriend in a matter of days, then let me tell you it is very hard. You would have to speak fluent Spanish!
I have never met a Cuban chica who blew / fucked me for nothing and that goes for pretty much everywhere else in the world.
Thanks Sammy, Your right if you appear to have fun joke show them a good time you can usually crack the hard exterior when Mongering however sometimes it just doesn't work. Some countries are easier than others to get the GFE. Some countries are more hard core.
Just wondering I guess if Cuba is better than others, worse than others or about the same.
Many people on this forum really love the cuban beauty et but seem to take these girls for what its worth as the deem them for lack of a better word thieves.
The shit hole part didn't come out right Cuba is a beautiful place for the most part. But you have to agree that a good 90%+ of the infrastructure of the country looks like is been abandon for decades and is sad 2 say but the lvl of education of the new generation is very low most leave school on the 9-10 grade add to that the teachers are not really teachers. (last year when I was in Cuba in our group we had a beautiful 18 year old triguena that was a teacher at a middle school I ask her how is that possible if she is just 18 she explain that she drop out of school at 10th grade and took a some sort of trade school to be a teacher. I ask her is she truly consider her self to be a teacher and she told me no) you get the picture. FYI there are good educated honest people but they are dying breed at least in the big Cities. Add to that all the other bullshit. And it is a shit hole.
About the video I have friends that are police officers in Cuba and they tell me the stories the only time the girls go to jail is if they can't pay what the cop is asking for.
Haven said all this I respect your points of view believes. But there most be something wrong with Cuba when even you that love it to the point of going there every month and you have family there (and if I recall from one of your post you agree with the government) but you won't stay there to live in it.
Like I said before Cuba is a great place if you are a tourist. I know I love it every time I go.
Lusifer69,
No disrespect but, . You live in South Florida, so for me. 99. 9% of what you have to offer in terms of Cuba is suspect (of course I could be wrong about you?). Sorry, that is just the rule I apply to Cuban Americans. Yes it is wrong to generalize, but 99. 9% of the time I attempt an intelligent conversation with Cuban Americans regarding the Island, it tends to unfold into insults.
Further:
1. You live in South Florida, I live on the east Coast but am in Cuba at least once a month.
2. I do not go to Havana unless I choose to, . I stay with family in Central Cuba.
3. I can tell you with absolute certainty that I have witnesses girls that I have known taken to jail and sent off for months at a time.
4. And more interesting, I am amazed that you can assert that you can tell me with absolute certainty that "nothing will happen to the girls or the guy that made the video if he ever goes back." Your are either connected to persons within the Cuban government that have already viewed the tape and have assured you that nothing will happen to these people, or, like most Cuban Americans, you are making a bold statement that is unsupported. Care to share your absolute certainty? I bet not.
5. I disagree with you on the filthy rich point. What I do find interesting when I am in Cuba, however, is the degree to which Cubans from America flaunt their "new found wealth" in the face of "poor" Cubans in an effort to instill a sense of envy. I find this behavior childish.
6. As for the cars and their prices, I am very well aware of the fact that a Lada can sale for thousands of CUC. Its cheaper to purchase a house or trade a house in Cuba than to purchase a car. Wiser too. Hence, I would not be the least bit surprised about the cost of a vehicle in Cuba.
Lastly, only a Cuban American would call Cuba, the land from which he / she came, a shit whole. Man, this is your motherland! Cuban Americans never stop to amaze me. But, on that note, I must share this letter that a Cuban living in Florida sent Andrew, this letter is written by what I deem a real Cuban and a real human being, . She has forced me to challenge my own assumptions about Cuban Americans and Cubans in America:
"Letter From A Proud Cuban Women.
Hi Andrew.
I'm totally disappointed!
How is it possible a famous, remarkable and outstanding photographer like you travelled to my country in order to look for 'prostitutes', and then try to sell the false image that most of the Cuban young women are 'devoted' to the same activity? How much were you paid for that? Dirty money [here she is surely speaking of the Miami Mafia]. Shame on you!
You are wrong, and I wonder if I'm being naive thinking you didn't have a hidden bad intention filming such a documentary.
That a small group in society that neither work nor study tries to live as parasites selling their body doesn't mean most of our youth are such worthless individuals.
Thank God, most of our young women are decent, workers and / or students with high moral codes, so you better keep on taking pictures without harming the image of the Cuban women, to which I proudly belong.
Thanks.
Gaby"
Kalifornication
01-11-12, 03:32
Fact is I am American, and I happen to love my country, even with all its faults. I am certain too, most Cubans have a similar love for their country, even with all its faults. I respect your opinion and I think we can both agree that not one country can claim perfection, and Cuba, for such a poor country with just over 11, 000, 000 people, roughly the size of NYC has done quite a good job when you compare it to its neighbors. As for education, my impression from speaking with the average Cuban is that they are quite educated. My impression speaking with the average American, well, we are not doing so well if you know what I mean.
Look lets move on from this topic, I wish you well brother.
The shit hole part didn't come out right Cuba is a beautiful place for the most part. But you have to agree that a good 90%+ of the infrastructure of the country looks like is been abandon for decades and is sad 2 say but the lvl of education of the new generation is very low most leave school on the 9-10 grade add to that the teachers are not really teachers. (last year when I was in Cuba in our group we had a beautiful 18 year old triguena that was a teacher at a middle school I ask her how is that possible if she is just 18 she explain that she drop out of school at 10th grade and took a some sort of trade school to be a teacher. I ask her is she truly consider her self to be a teacher and she told me no) you get the picture. FYI there are good educated honest people but they are dying breed at least in the big Cities. Add to that all the other bullshit. And it is a shit hole.
About the video I have friends that are police officers in Cuba and they tell me the stories the only time the girls go to jail is if they can't pay what the cop is asking for.
Haven said all this I respect your points of view believes. But there most be something wrong with Cuba when even you that love it to the point of going there every month and you have family there (and if I recall from one of your post you agree with the government) but you won't stay there to live in it.
Like I said before Cuba is a great place if you are a tourist. I know I love it every time I go.
I am going to Cuba for the first time end of Jan. My plan is to stay in Havana.
I'm looking for an upscale hotel where bringing "guests" is not a problem.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
TIA
Kalifornication
01-16-12, 01:42
If your guest is Cuban and she is staying with you (is she a "good girl"?) she should register with you at the hotel. No problem. If you are talking about pros, . You may have to provide a tip to the hotel staff to get her in for a few hours.
I am going to Cuba for the first time end of Jan. My plan is to stay in Havana.
I'm looking for an upscale hotel where bringing "guests" is not a problem.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
TIA
I am going to Cuba for the first time end of Jan. My plan is to stay in Havana.
I'm looking for an upscale hotel where bringing "guests" is not a problem.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
TIANo such thing as upscale in Cuba. My suggestions are Havana Libre or Melia Cohiba. Up to 50 CUC per visit per girl guest fee.
Iguana Six
01-16-12, 05:56
Fact is I am American, and I happen to love my country, even with all its faults. I am certain too, most Cubans have a similar love for their country, even with all its faults. I respect your opinion and I think we can both agree that not one country can claim perfection, and Cuba, for such a poor country with just over 11, 000, 000 people, roughly the size of NYC has done quite a good job when you compare it to its neighbors. As for education, my impression from speaking with the average Cuban is that they are quite educated. My impression speaking with the average American, well, we are not doing so well if you know what I mean.
Look lets move on from this topic, I wish you well brother.Yes, that is why Cuba is reknown for putting a man on the moon, its many patents, the many life-saving medications and treatments it has developed, its many inventions, the novels its writers have written that have sold all over the world, the movies it has made that have been translated into dozens of languages and have entertained half the world, producing an economy that is so abundant that even our poor people are fat / have flat screen TVs / cell phones / cars/$200 sneakers, and an open society that allows people to go from homeless to Harvard.
You are limited in your assessment by the very terms of your argument. Did you really speak to many "average Cubans?" So, the average Cuban has a 10th grade education and the average Cuban 'doctor' has as much education and training as one of our physicians assistants or nurse practitioner and can parrot Marxist dogma on command? Big deal. That is not education and even they know it. Build a land bridge between Cuba and Key West and the country would empty out by the next day. Build a land bridge between Cuba and one of its neighboring islands and the country would empty out in a few days.
Iguana Six
01-16-12, 06:45
lusifer69,
5. i disagree with you on the filthy rich point. what i do find interesting when i am in cuba, however, is the degree to which cubans from america flaunt their "new found wealth" in the face of "poor" cubans in an effort to instill a sense of envy. i find this behavior childish.
"i think that what you see as boorish or "childish" behavior is the just the clash of civilizations. the cubans in south florida can indeed be boorish (every group becomes boorish once they become a majority, and one reason i chose not live there) , but their wealth is not new nor was it "found" the way someone "finds" a shiny coin on the street or a parking spot close to the entrance of the store in the shopping mall. it is the result of working in a way that the average island cuban cannot comprehend. island cubans live by the motto: "we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." florida cubans have money, but no time. they work, and when they are not working, they have no time for self pity, no time for envy. that is just a waste of perfectly good "off" time. island cubans have no work, but plenty of time for self pity and being envious of those who have things. they have no concept of what working really means. they think that people in florida have the same shitty work ethic that they do, but get paid much better.
thirty years ago, the marielito refugees arrived. the first week of their arrival was full of family re-unions and feasting. then, it came time for them to work. their relatives found them jobs and they were eager to earning real american dollars. until they realized that 50 hour work weeks was the norm, you cannot bring your island work ethics to the rough and tumble arena of business in south florida, and everything costs so much and taxes are so high. they had thought that the lifestyle of ranch style homes, air conditioners, vcrs, two cars in the garage, and a fridge full of steaks would be theirs for just working for a few hours and pretending to work the rest of the day!
"but, but. i was an engineer / doctor / pharmacist / attorney / university professor in cuba!" "yeah, well, until you can pass the the local certification exam here, you are a gas station attendant / mechanic / store clerk here." often, they never did make the transition to their old profession. seems that the old regime just churned out "professionals" and degrees and titles the way we give out trophies to all the kids who play little league baseball or soccer. just for participating. engineers who do not design things, doctors cranked out of diploma mills because it is more prestigious than graduating nurses, attorneys who would be as helpless in a real adverserial court system as [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-wee herman, professors who prattle the same old tired party-approved pablum semester after semester. dropped on their shores, they were like pandas who were told they were grizzlies all their lives. and believed it. until they had to leave the comfort of the zoo and survive in the wild. emotionally, they would retreat into themselves, and would tell anyone who would listen about how, in cuba, they had free health care, and rent was just $3 a month, and riding the bus only cost pennies.
and this is not a new phenomena. ask the west germans how hard it was to integrate the east germans into an economy based on individual initiative, long work weeks, and meritocracy.
Kalifornication
01-17-12, 00:48
ahh, i knew it was just a matter of time, and absurd reply (smile).
just a few comments:
1. build a land bridge between any poor country and the usa or any other wealthy nation and the poor county will empty out in a few days. you only state the obvious. it is economic fool.
2. cuba is a country of 11, 000, 000 (size of new york city) , got it! not a state, a damn city. what have they accomplished, to wit,
saul landau asks: what did cuba ever do to us?
what did cuba ever do to us?
by saul landau and nelson p. valdes.
'. they cannot forgive us that we are just so close to them, that we have made a socialist revolution under the very nose of the united states! '
– fidel castro, april 16, 1961.
'and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us. '
– english book of common prayer. 1662.
after 53 years, we ask. did the cuban revolution accomplish its goals? likewise, what happened to the us, which has relentlessly tried to block cuba's revolutionary path?
after the january 1959 revolutionary victory washington's elite understood that in fidel castro they might face serious rebelliousness to the accepted and enforced notion: washington rules this hemisphere.
in 1954, washington punished president jacobo arbenz for nationalizing united fruit company property in guatemala (a us-backed coup the'etat) , to again dramatize how the us treated disobedience.
despite the long history of us punishment of insubordinate latin american leaders, castro and compañeros remained focused on goals emerging in the 1860s' revolt against spain: independence; sovereignty; social justice.
when faced with washington's intransigent opposition cuba's leaders accepted the consequences of a kind of insurance policy written for their revolution in moscow. they had no other protectors.
they knew that latin american leaders who failed to toe the us line faced: assassination or military coups.
unlike us influence, the soviets would not own cuban property. the us held the best land in cuba, the biggest sugar mills, mines, telephone and utility companies, banks, politicians, casinos and much more. the soviets never possessed an acre of cuban land. they did, however, expect reciprocal ideological compliance.
from 1959 through the mid 1970s, cubans became more literate and healthier. their social services expanded along with a basically honest government. cuba became an integrated nation state with a sense of purpose. but us policy directors understood: an external threat would compel revolutionaries to organize their defense.
they grasped alexander hamilton's federalist #8: 'safety from external danger is the most powerful director of national conduct. even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to its dictates. '
in cuba, batista had not permitted free speech or politics; so no dramatic change took place. unlike batista, the revolutionaries had more than personal power to defend. and they understood the possible consequences.
us military forces killed up to 4 million vietnamese (mostly civilians) and lost 58 thousand us troops as cuba's revolution developed. few people today – or then – could explain the purpose of that war.
while engaged in vietnam, cambodia and laos, the cia also backed a string of military coups against democratically elected governments of brazil (1964) , chile (1973) and interfering in political processes of other client states: invading the dominican republic and plotting in argentina and uruguay.
cuban doctors and teachers went abroad to aid others, cuban artists — painting and sculpture, poetry and literature, film, music and dance – made world-wide names for themselves. the cia in africa assassinated congolese liberation leader patrice lumumba and backed merciless dictators. cuban troops helped maintain angolan independence despite serious threats from south african and cia-backed troops invading from the south and east.
in 1994, at his inauguration as south africa's president nelson mandela acknowledged to fidel castro: 'you made this possible. ' he referred to the role of cuban troops in 1987-88 in helping the angolan army administer heavy losses to the south african forces who had invaded southern angola, forcing the apartheid regime to change its strategy from military to political.
during the 1980s, washington backed murderous regimes throughout the world, like those in el salvador, honduras and guatemala; same old policy, but justified by cold war rhetoric.
after the soviets disappeared in 1991, the jubilation in miami exile circles and washington office parties ran at fever pitch: would the cuban revolution collapse in a year – or less?
now. 21 plus years later and still alive, cuba's revolution begins to change its economic and administrative orders. the us media routinely describes cuba as poor, needy, miserable. but in 2012 on cuba's non-violent streets there aren't vast numbers of homeless like those in us cities; and no hungry children (1 of 2 american kids experienced hunger last year).
in 'free and democratic' mexico and central america thousands of gang-drug related murders occur annually. cuba has no drug cartels or children frightened of a drive-by bullet. as us wars killed tens of thousands of iraqi and afghans and thousands of its own troops, cuban doctors repaired the sightless vision of thousands of third world people around the world.
the us holds more political prisoners in cuba — in gitmo — than cuba does, and now has laws allowing the president to assas. oops, execute us citizens he deems 'terrorist' (without court procedures). us citizens can get jailed indefinitely with no recourse to constitutional protections. but washington blithely accuses cuba of human rights violations.
cuba does face a broken economy, a bloated bureaucracy and other serious problems – like no free press. its leaders have begun a reform process, and a broad dialogue has emerged amongst the population.
in washington denial prevails. presidential aspirants on both sides ignore the trillions wasted on destructive wars, rotting infrastructure, spread of poverty, and drop in the standard of living.
cuba policy remains inflexible. hard liners demand ever more time for the policy to work! it's only been 53 years since washington's elite decided to force regime change in havana.
no one asks: what did cuba do to us again?
saul landau, an institute for policy studies fellow, produced will the real terrorist please stand up (cinema libre studio). counterpunch published his bush and botox world.
nelson p. valdés is professor emeritus, u. of new mexico and director of the cuba-l project.
yes, that is why cuba is reknown for putting a man on the moon, its many patents, the many life-saving medications and treatments it has developed, its many inventions, the novels its writers have written that have sold all over the world, the movies it has made that have been translated into dozens of languages and have entertained half the world, producing an economy that is so abundant that even our poor people are fat / have flat screen tvs / cell phones / cars/$200 sneakers, and an open society that allows people to go from homeless to harvard.
you are limited in your assessment by the very terms of your argument. did you really speak to many "average cubans?" so, the average cuban has a 10th grade education and the average cuban 'doctor' has as much education and training as one of our physicians assistants or nurse practitioner and can parrot marxist dogma on command? big deal. that is not education and even they know it. build a land bridge between cuba and key west and the country would empty out by the next day. build a land bridge between cuba and one of its neighboring islands and the country would empty out in a few days.
Kalifornication
01-17-12, 01:28
i find it painful to read your revisionist history. i bet when you were writing this bullshit about the hard working miami mafia you did this with a most serious face. forgot about the wealth they built on the on the backs of poor cubans before their arrival / escape to the usa?
have you ever wondered how fidel castro has stayed in power for so long?
no one, other than the king of jordan, has been in the top spot for a greater period of time. the man has outlasted eight usa presidents, ten olympic games, and the return of halley's comet. and no matter what the united states government does to try to dethrone him, he's got more lives than cher has comebacks.
it's not that our american leaders haven't given it their best effort. ever since castro liberated his country from the corrupt usa- and mafia-backed batista regime, washington has tried a variety of methods to unseat him. these have included taxpayer-funded assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, embargoes, threats of nuclear annihilation, internal disruption, and biological warfare (the cia dropped a bunch of african swine fever germs over the country in 1971, forcing the cubans to destroy 500, 000 pigs).
and, something that has always seemed strange to me, there is an actual usa naval base on the island of cuba! imagine if we after defeating the british in our revolution, we then let them keep a few thousand troops and a bunch of battleships in new york harbor. weird.
president kennedy, who followed through with president eisenhower's plan to invade cuba at the bay of pigs, ordered the cia to kill castro, trying everything from a pen filled with poison ink to an exploding cigar. (no i do not get my information from maxwell smart; it's all in the church committee report from the usa congress. 1975.)
of course nothing worked. castro became stronger and the usa continued to go nuts. cuba was seen as 'the one that got away. ' it became an embarrassment to us. here we had every nation in this hemisphere in our back pocket—except those damn cubans. it looked bad. like when the whole family goes out to dinner and the one bad seed, little billy, just won't sit still and do what he is told. everyone in the place is looking at the parents and wondering just what kind of job they're doing. the appearance that they have no discipline or control is the worst humiliation. so they start whacking little billy, but forget about it—he ain't ever going to finish his peas.
that's how silly we look to the rest of the world. like we've been driven insane over this little island ninety miles from our shores. we don't feel that way about a real threat to humanity, like the one posed by the chinese government. talk about a bunch of thugs! yet we can't move fast enough to hop in bed with them. washington spent twenty-three years getting usa all worked up against the chinese—and then, suddenly, one day they're our friends. it turned out that the republicans and their corporate buddies weren't really against communist dictators—just those who wouldn't let them come in and make a buck.
and that, of course, has been castro's fatal mistake. once he took over and nationalized all the american businesses and booted the mob out of havana, he might as well have taken a seat on the san andreas fault, because the wrath of uncle sam came down on him hard, and it hasn't let up for over thirty-seven years. yet castro has survived. for that accomplishment alone, despite all his flaws (political repression, four-hour speeches, and a literacy rate of 100 percent) , you got to admire the guy.
so why do we continue to fight this leftover turkey leg from the cold war? the answer can be found by looking no further than a town called miami. it is there that a nutty bunch of cuban exiles have controlled usa foreign policy regarding this insignificant island nation. these cubans, many of whom were batista supporters and lived high on the hog while that crook ran the country, seem not to have slept a wink since they grabbed their assets and headed to florida.
and since 1960, they have insisted on pulling us into their madness. why is it that every incident of national torment that has deflated our country for the past three decades—the kennedy assassination, watergate, iran-contra, our drug abuse epidemic-the list goes on and on-we find that the cuban exiles are always present and involved? first it was lee harvey oswald's connection to the cubans in new orleans. (or was it the cuban exiles acting alone to kill kennedy, or castro ordering the assassination 'cause he just got bored with kennedy trying to bump him off? whichever theory you subscribe to, the cubans are lurking in the neighborhood.)
then on the night of june 17, 1972, three cubans—bernard barker, eugenio martinez, and virgilio gonzalez (plus americans frank sturgis and james mccord jr.) —were caught breaking into the watergate offices of the chairman of the democratic party. this covert operation eventually brought down richard nixon, so i guess there is a silver lining to that particular cuban-exile operation.
today, barker and gonzalez are considered heroes in miami's cuban community. martinez, later pardoned by ronald reagan, is the only one who feels bad. 'i did not want myself to be involved in the downfall of the president of the united states. ' oh, well, how nice of you!
when ollie north needed a cover group to run arms into nicaragua to help overthrow the government, who else could he turn to but the miami cubans? bay of pigs veterans ramon medina and rafael quintero were key managers of the air-transport company that supplied weapons to the contras. the usa-backed contra war was responsible for the deaths of thirty thousand nicarguans.
one of the big bonuses to come out of our funding of these cuban exiles was the help they gave us in bringing illegal drugs into the states, destroying families and whole sections of our cities. beginning in the early sixties, a number of cubans (who also participated in the bay of pigs invasion) began running major narcotics rings in this country. the dea found little support within the federal government to go after these cuban exiles, because they had organized themselves under the phony banner of 'freedom groups. ' in fact, most were nothing more than fronts for massive drug-smuggling operations. these same drug runners later helped to run arms to the contras.
usa based cuban terrorist organizations have been responsible for more than two hundred bombings and at least a hundred murders since castro's revolution. they have got everyone so afraid to stand up to them that i probably shouldn't even be writing this chapter. i am, after all, one of the few unarmed americans.
so why am i not worried? because these cuban exiles, for all their chest thumping and terrorism, are really a bunch of wimps. that's right. wimps.
need proof? for starters, when you don't like the oppressor in your country, you stay there and try to overthrow him. this can be done by force (american revolution, french revolution) or through peaceful means (gandhi in india or mandela in south africa). but you don't just turn tail and run like these cubans.
imagine if all the american colonists had all run to canada—and then insisted the canadians had a responsibility to overthrow the british down in the states. the sandinistas never would have freed their country from somoza if they had all been sitting on the beach in costa rica, drinking margaritas and getting rich. mandela went to prison, not to libya or london.
but the wealthy cubans scooted off to miami—and got wealthier. ninety percent of these exiles are white, while the majority of cubans. 62 percent, are black or of mixed race. the whites knew they couldn't stay in cuba because they had no support from the people. so they came here, expecting us to fight their fight for them. and, like morons, we have.
it's not that these cuban crybabies haven't tried to help themselves. but a quick look at their efforts resembles an old keystone kops movie. the bay of pigs is their best-known fiasco. it had all the elements of a great farce—wrong boats, wrong beach, no ammo for the guns, no one shows up to meet them, and, finally, they are left for dead, wandering around a part of their island completely unfamiliar to them (their limo drivers, i guess, had never taken them there in the good old days).
this embarrassment was so monumental the world still hasn't stopped laughing—and the miami cubans have never forgotten or forgiven this. say 'bay of pigs' to any of them, and you might as well be a dentist with a drill on raw, decaying nerve.
you would think that the bay of pigs defeat would have taught them a lesson, but then you would probably be projecting. you would have given up. not this crowd. since 1962, numerous cuban exile groups have attempted even more raids to 'liberate' their homeland.
let's go to the highlights reel:
in 1981, a group of miami cuban exiles landed on providenciales island in the caribbean on their way to invading cuba. their boat, the only one of four exile boats to make it out of the miami river (the other three were turned back by the coast guard due to foul weather, engine trouble, or too few life jackets) , ran aground on a reef near providenciales. stuck there on the island with no food or shelter, the miami cubans started fighting among themselves. they begged the people of miami to rescue them off the island, and after three weeks they were airlifted back to florida. the only one of their group to make it to cuban waters, geraldo fuentes, suffered an appendicitis attack while at sea and had to be helicoptered by the coast guard to guantanamo for treatment.
in 1968, a group of miami cubans learned that a polish ship was docked in the port of miami and that a cuban delegation might be aboard the freighter. from the macarthur causeway, according to the st. petersburg times, the cuban exiles fired a homemade bazooka and hit the ship's hull. it only put a nick in the ship, and the group's leader, orlando bosch, was sentenced to ten years of prison, but was released in 1972. bosch explained that they had hoped to cause more damage, but, he pleaded, 'it was a big ship! ' bosch had earlier been arrested for towing a tor**** through downtown miami during rush hour, and another time he was caught with six hundred aerial bombs loaded with dynamite in the trunk of his cadillac. in 1990, the bush administration released him from prison, where he was serving time for parole violations.
according to washington monthly, 'during the summer and early fall of 1963, five commando raids were launched against cuba in the hopes of destabilizing the regime. the negligible cuban underground was instructed to leave faucets running and light bulbs burning to waste energy. '
in 1962, according to the san francisco chronicle, cuban exile, jose basulto, on a cia-sponsored mission, fired a 20-mm cannon from a speedboat at the incan hotel next to havana bay, hoping to kill fidel castro. the shell missed, and basulto, seeing gasoline spilling all over his boat, high-tailed it back to florida. 'one of our gas tanks, made of plastic, began to leak, ' basulto explained later. 'gas ran all over the deck. we didn't know what to do. '
years later, basulto would go on to form 'brothers to the rescue, ' an exile group that for the past few years has been flying missions over cuba, buzzing cuban sites, dropping leaflets, and generally trying to intimidate the cuban government. in february 1996, castro was apparently fed up with this harassment, and after the twenty-fifth incident in the past twenty months of the brothers violating cuban air-space, he ordered that two of their planes be shot down.
even though brothers to the rescue was violating usa law by flying into cuban airspace (a fact the faa acknowledges) , the clinton administration again went to the exile trough and instantly got a bill passed to tighten the embargo against cuba. this embargo has brought the wrath of the rest of the world against us—the un general assembly voted 117 to 3 to 'condemn' the united states for its economic violence against cuba (as it has in every vote since the embargo was imposed).
the week after the planes were shot down, the exiles tried to force the hand of the usa, hoping to get the military to engage in some kind of action against castro. they announced that on the following saturday they would take a flotilla of boats from florida to just off the cuban coast, to protest the loss of the two planes. clinton decided to stage the greatest show of force against cuba since the missile crisis, and sent a squadron of f-15 fighters, eleven coast guard cutters, two navy missile cruisers, one navy frigate, two c-130 planes, and a bevy of choppers, awacs, and six hundred coast guardsmen to support the flotilla.
all he forgot to send was the dramamine—which, it turned out, was what the miami cubans really needed. just forty miles out of key west, the cubans on the boats started getting seasick, heaving up big chunks and begging their skippers to turn the damn yachts around. with the whole world watching, the cubans once again turned tail and ran. when they got back to port, they held a press conference to explain their retreat. one spokesman was still a little woozy, and you could see the journalists backing away from him, expecting any moment to be covered with a linda blair special.
'a horrible storm arose out of the sea, ' said the rapidly paling cuban exit leader. 'the waves were over ten feet high, and we had to turn back or lose our ships! ' as he spoke some creative genius working the weekend shift at cnn ran footage of the flotilla taken from the air as it headed towards cuba. the sun was shining, the sea was as smooth as glass, and the wind blew gently, if at all. reporters out at sea did say that after the cnn cameras left, the waters became 'rather rough. ' i'm sure they did.
castro has to be laughing his ass off.
— published by michael moore, april 13, 2004.
i think that what you see as boorish or "childish" behavior is the just the clash of civilizations. the cubans in south florida can indeed be boorish (every group becomes boorish once they become a majority, and one reason i chose not live there) , but their wealth is not new nor was it "found" the way someone "finds" a shiny coin on the street or a parking spot close to the entrance of the store in the shopping mall. it is the result of working in a way that the average island cuban cannot comprehend. island cubans live by the motto: "we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." florida cubans have money, but no time. they work, and when they are not working, they have no time for self pity, no time for envy. that is just a waste of perfectly good "off" time. island cubans have no work, but plenty of time for self pity and being envious of those who have things. they have no concept of what working really means. they think that people in florida have the same shitty work ethic that they do, but get paid much better.
thirty years ago, the marielito refugees arrived. the first week of their arrival was full of family re-unions and feasting. then, it came time for them to work. their relatives found them jobs and they were eager to earning real american dollars. until they realized that 50 hour work weeks was the norm, you cannot bring your island work ethics to the rough and tumble arena of business in south florida, and everything costs so much and taxes are so high. they had thought that the lifestyle of ranch style homes, air conditioners, vcrs, two cars in the garage, and a fridge full of steaks would be theirs for just working for a few hours and pretending to work the rest of the day!
"but, but. i was an engineer / doctor / pharmacist / attorney / university professor in cuba!" "yeah, well, until you can pass the the local certification exam here, you are a gas station attendant / mechanic / store clerk here." often, they never did make the transition to their old profession. seems that the old regime just churned out "professionals" and degrees and titles the way we give out trophies to all the kids who play little league baseball or soccer. just for participating. engineers who do not design things, doctors cranked out of diploma mills because it is more prestigious than graduating nurses, attorneys who would be as helpless in a real adverserial court system as [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-wee herman, professors who prattle the same old tired party-approved pablum semester after semester. dropped on their shores, they were like pandas who were told they were grizzlies all their lives. and believed it. until they had to leave the comfort of the zoo and survive in the wild. emotionally, they would retreat into themselves, and would tell anyone who would listen about how, in cuba, they had free health care, and rent was just $3 a month, and riding the bus only cost pennies.
and this is not a new phenomena. ask the west germans how hard it was to integrate the east germans into an economy based on individual initiative, long work weeks, and meritocracy.
Kalifornication
01-17-12, 01:32
further, what world do you live in, you really think that we are that bright and hard working?
cnn investigation targets radiology board exam cheating, see: http://www.diagnosticimaging.com/news/display/article/113619/2018250
i think that what you see as boorish or "childish" behavior is the just the clash of civilizations. the cubans in south florida can indeed be boorish (every group becomes boorish once they become a majority, and one reason i chose not live there) , but their wealth is not new nor was it "found" the way someone "finds" a shiny coin on the street or a parking spot close to the entrance of the store in the shopping mall. it is the result of working in a way that the average island cuban cannot comprehend. island cubans live by the motto: "we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." florida cubans have money, but no time. they work, and when they are not working, they have no time for self pity, no time for envy. that is just a waste of perfectly good "off" time. island cubans have no work, but plenty of time for self pity and being envious of those who have things. they have no concept of what working really means. they think that people in florida have the same shitty work ethic that they do, but get paid much better.
thirty years ago, the marielito refugees arrived. the first week of their arrival was full of family re-unions and feasting. then, it came time for them to work. their relatives found them jobs and they were eager to earning real american dollars. until they realized that 50 hour work weeks was the norm, you cannot bring your island work ethics to the rough and tumble arena of business in south florida, and everything costs so much and taxes are so high. they had thought that the lifestyle of ranch style homes, air conditioners, vcrs, two cars in the garage, and a fridge full of steaks would be theirs for just working for a few hours and pretending to work the rest of the day!
"but, but. i was an engineer / doctor / pharmacist / attorney / university professor in cuba!" "yeah, well, until you can pass the the local certification exam here, you are a gas station attendant / mechanic / store clerk here." often, they never did make the transition to their old profession. seems that the old regime just churned out "professionals" and degrees and titles the way we give out trophies to all the kids who play little league baseball or soccer. just for participating. engineers who do not design things, doctors cranked out of diploma mills because it is more prestigious than graduating nurses, attorneys who would be as helpless in a real adverserial court system as [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-wee herman, professors who prattle the same old tired party-approved pablum semester after semester. dropped on their shores, they were like pandas who were told they were grizzlies all their lives. and believed it. until they had to leave the comfort of the zoo and survive in the wild. emotionally, they would retreat into themselves, and would tell anyone who would listen about how, in cuba, they had free health care, and rent was just $3 a month, and riding the bus only cost pennies.
and this is not a new phenomena. ask the west germans how hard it was to integrate the east germans into an economy based on individual initiative, long work weeks, and meritocracy.
well said.
many cubans in cuba think that they would be paid well for the same work ethic, or none at all. because you know all of us americans have money trees in our yards.
by the way, did you know there are shops in miami where cuban american dishwashers can rent gold watches and expensive clothing for their trip home? funniest shit i ever saw.
i think that what you see as boorish or "childish" behavior is the just the clash of civilizations. the cubans in south florida can indeed be boorish (every group becomes boorish once they become a majority, and one reason i chose not live there) , but their wealth is not new nor was it "found" the way someone "finds" a shiny coin on the street or a parking spot close to the entrance of the store in the shopping mall. it is the result of working in a way that the average island cuban cannot comprehend. island cubans live by the motto: "we pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us." florida cubans have money, but no time. they work, and when they are not working, they have no time for self pity, no time for envy. that is just a waste of perfectly good "off" time. island cubans have no work, but plenty of time for self pity and being envious of those who have things. they have no concept of what working really means. they think that people in florida have the same shitty work ethic that they do, but get paid much better.
thirty years ago, the marielito refugees arrived. the first week of their arrival was full of family re-unions and feasting. then, it came time for them to work. their relatives found them jobs and they were eager to earning real american dollars. until they realized that 50 hour work weeks was the norm, you cannot bring your island work ethics to the rough and tumble arena of business in south florida, and everything costs so much and taxes are so high. they had thought that the lifestyle of ranch style homes, air conditioners, vcrs, two cars in the garage, and a fridge full of steaks would be theirs for just working for a few hours and pretending to work the rest of the day!
"but, but. i was an engineer / doctor / pharmacist / attorney / university professor in cuba!" "yeah, well, until you can pass the the local certification exam here, you are a gas station attendant / mechanic / store clerk here." often, they never did make the transition to their old profession. seems that the old regime just churned out "professionals" and degrees and titles the way we give out trophies to all the kids who play little league baseball or soccer. just for participating. engineers who do not design things, doctors cranked out of diploma mills because it is more prestigious than graduating nurses, attorneys who would be as helpless in a real adverserial court system as [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)-wee herman, professors who prattle the same old tired party-approved pablum semester after semester. dropped on their shores, they were like pandas who were told they were grizzlies all their lives. and believed it. until they had to leave the comfort of the zoo and survive in the wild. emotionally, they would retreat into themselves, and would tell anyone who would listen about how, in cuba, they had free health care, and rent was just $3 a month, and riding the bus only cost pennies.
and this is not a new phenomena. ask the west germans how hard it was to integrate the east germans into an economy based on individual initiative, long work weeks, and meritocracy.
I won't take sides. Cuba will remain a land of passionate and beautiful women.
At the same time, today Cubans have no choice to opt out, improve their lot or leave the homeland.
Here is an Article VII of Helsinki Final Act of 1975 which played it's role in the end of Cold war.
VII. Respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief.
The participating States will respect human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion.
They will promote and encourage the effective exercise of civil, political, economic, social, cultural and other rights and freedoms all of which derive from the inherent dignity of the human person and are essential for his free and full development.
Within this framework the participating States will recognize and respect the freedom of the individual to profess and practice, alone or in community with others, religion or belief acting in accordance with the dictates of his own conscience.
The participating States on whose territory national minorities exist will respect the right of persons belonging to such minorities to equality before the law, will afford them the full opportunity for the actual enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms and will, in this manner, protect their legitimate interests in this sphere.
The participating States recognize the universal significance of human rights and fundamental freedoms, respect for which is an essential factor for the peace, justice and well- being necessary to ensure the development of friendly relations and co-operation among themselves as among all States.
They will constantly respect these rights and freedoms in their mutual relations and will endeavour jointly and separately, including in co-operation with the United Nations, to promote universal and effective respect for them.
They confirm the right of the individual to know and act upon his rights and duties in this field.
In the field of human rights and fundamental freedoms, the participating States will act in conformity with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They will also fulfil their obligations as set forth in the international declarations and agreements in this field, including inter alia the International Covenants on Human Rights, by which they may be bound.
Kalifornication
01-17-12, 06:19
"Well said", that is the best you can offer Bonesie? And, your knowledge of Cuban American trivia regarding the renting of clothing/watches, I must admit, I am quite impressed. Just curious, how did you come across this very important information? I am just amazed that you idiots claim education in Cuba is lacking?
Well said.
Many Cubans in Cuba think that they would be paid well for the same work ethic, or none at all. Because you know all of us Americans have money trees in our yards.
By the way, did you know there are shops in Miami where Cuban American dishwashers can rent gold watches and expensive clothing for their trip home? Funniest shit I ever saw.
settle down gusano, i would say education in cuba is excellent compared to most latin countries. but with no industry to speak of, it only makes for a more clever camajan.
i think what he said was very accurate about the relationship between the cuban education, and the 'careers' they are qualified to enter once they leave school.
a cuban math problem:
yamil is a construction worker in havana and makes 18cuc per month. currently charged with building an apartment building for 24 families.
the apartment building will require 1, 000 bags of cement in most parts of the world. but with workers selling 900 bags a month to neighbors of the building, and him liberating 2 bags a week to trade to a neighbor selling bucanero from the restaurant he's a waiter at, which he will then trade half of to his cousin who works at airport aduana for fake ed hardy shirts 'confirep001ed' from the luggage of italian tourists.
how many fake ed hardy shirts will he have when the building is finished?
"well said", that is the best you can offer bonesie? and, your knowledge of cuban american trivia regarding the renting of clothing/watches, i must admit, i am quite impressed. just curious, how did you come across this very important information? i am just amazed that you idiots claim education in cuba is lacking?
"Well said", that is the best you can offer Bonesie? And, your knowledge of Cuban American trivia regarding the renting of clothing/watches, I must admit, I am quite impressed. Just curious, how did you come across this very important information? I am just amazed that you idiots claim education in Cuba is lacking?@Kalifornication what happen to been respectful? About the education in Cuba next time you are in Cuba just ask around don't ask just one or 2 person do a sort of survey ask everyone that you get a chance 2 ask to what grade did he / she get and what do they think about the education they received and the one that the students are receiving in the present. (don't just ask the jineteras or young people)
Well said.
Many Cubans in Cuba think that they would be paid well for the same work ethic, or none at all. Because you know all of us Americans have money trees in our yards.
By the way, did you know there are shops in Miami where Cuban American dishwashers can rent gold watches and expensive clothing for their trip home? Funniest shit I ever saw.@Jonesie I didn't know about the shops and I know a lot "dishwashers" that love going to Cuba and show off they rent cars, buy new expensive clothing buy cheap jewelry that looks expensive and take all their friends out and pay for them. And I think they are all idiots when they get back they have to bust their asses working to catch up with their bills and when you ask them where are they going next for a vacation the answer is always the same Cuba. That is something else that I think is stupid they spend many years of their lives trying to get out of the Country and when they do all they want to do is go back to Cuba. I know people that been here for years and they don't know anything outside Miami because all they do is save money to go to Cuba o and pay for their cars they love having really nice cars even if 50%+ of their salary goes to it wish is stupid.
There is a Cuban band that made a song call Johnny la Mula that I think is hilarious because there are a lot of Johnny's in Miami.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHacdcAToIQ
PS I think we shall all agree to disagree. Or take the discussion to General Info Thread or make a Discussion Thread.
1. are you sure you are not a communist living the states cuban? (there are a lot of them here and they all express them self the way you did that's why i ask)
2. is nice to exercise your rights to free speech and expression even when you are talking against your government isn't it? in your beloved cuba you would be send to prison for life or simply kill for that.
3. miami mafia? really are you that mush of a fuc-ng close minded ignorant?
4. like i told you before there must be something wrong with cuba when even you that love it that mush will not stay there.
to the rest of you i m sorry for posting this here i know what i said in my last post but after reading this old lonely fool post i just had 2.
i find it painful to read your revisionist history. i bet when you were writing this bullshit about the hard working miami mafia you did this with a most serious face. forgot about the wealth they built on the on the backs of poor cubans before their arrival / escape to the usa?
have you ever wondered how fidel castro has stayed in power for so long?
no one, other than the king of jordan, has been in the top spot for a greater period of time. the man has outlasted eight usa presidents, ten olympic games, and the return of halley's comet. and no matter what the united states government does to try to dethrone him, he's got more lives than cher has comebacks.
it's not that our american leaders haven't given it their best effort. ever since castro liberated his country from the corrupt usa- and mafia-backed batista regime, washington has tried a variety of methods to unseat him. these have included taxpayer-funded assassination attempts, invasions, blockades, embargoes, threats of nuclear annihilation, internal disruption, and biological warfare (the cia dropped a bunch of african swine fever germs over the country in 1971, forcing the cubans to destroy 500, 000 pigs).
and, something that has always seemed strange to me, there is an actual usa naval base on the island of cuba! imagine if we after defeating the british in our revolution, we then let them keep a few thousand troops and a bunch of battleships in new york harbor. weird.
president kennedy, who followed through with president eisenhower's plan to invade cuba at the bay of pigs, ordered the cia to kill castro, trying everything from a pen filled with poison ink to an exploding cigar. (no i do not get my information from maxwell smart; it's all in the church committee report from the usa congress. 1975.)
of course nothing worked. castro became stronger and the usa continued to go nuts. cuba was seen as 'the one that got away. ' it became an embarrassment to us. here we had every nation in this hemisphere in our back pocket—except those damn cubans. it looked bad. like when the whole family goes out to dinner and the one bad seed, little billy, just won't sit still and do what he is told. everyone in the place is looking at the parents and wondering just what kind of job they're doing. the appearance that they have no discipline or control is the worst humiliation. so they start whacking little billy, but forget about it—he ain't ever going to finish his peas.
that's how silly we look to the rest of the world. like we've been driven insane over this little island ninety miles from our shores. we don't feel that way about a real threat to humanity, like the one posed by the chinese government. talk about a bunch of thugs! yet we can't move fast enough to hop in bed with them. washington spent twenty-three years getting usa all worked up against the chinese—and then, suddenly, one day they're our friends. it turned out that the republicans and their corporate buddies weren't really against communist dictators—just those who wouldn't let them come in and make a buck.
and that, of course, has been castro's fatal mistake. once he took over and nationalized all the american businesses and booted the mob out of havana, he might as well have taken a seat on the san andreas fault, because the wrath of uncle sam came down on him hard, and it hasn't let up for over thirty-seven years. yet castro has survived. for that accomplishment alone, despite all his flaws (political repression, four-hour speeches, and a literacy rate of 100 percent) , you got to admire the guy.
so why do we continue to fight this leftover turkey leg from the cold war? the answer can be found by looking no further than a town called miami. it is there that a nutty bunch of cuban exiles have controlled usa foreign policy regarding this insignificant island nation. these cubans, many of whom were batista supporters and lived high on the hog while that crook ran the country, seem not to have slept a wink since they grabbed their assets and headed to florida.
and since 1960, they have insisted on pulling us into their madness. why is it that every incident of national torment that has deflated our country for the past three decades—the kennedy assassination, watergate, iran-contra, our drug abuse epidemic-the list goes on and on-we find that the cuban exiles are always present and involved? first it was lee harvey oswald's connection to the cubans in new orleans. (or was it the cuban exiles acting alone to kill kennedy, or castro ordering the assassination 'cause he just got bored with kennedy trying to bump him off? whichever theory you subscribe to, the cubans are lurking in the neighborhood.)
then on the night of june 17, 1972, three cubans—bernard barker, eugenio martinez, and virgilio gonzalez (plus americans frank sturgis and james mccord jr.) —were caught breaking into the watergate offices of the chairman of the democratic party. this covert operation eventually brought down richard nixon, so i guess there is a silver lining to that particular cuban-exile operation.
today, barker and gonzalez are considered heroes in miami's cuban community. martinez, later pardoned by ronald reagan, is the only one who feels bad. 'i did not want myself to be involved in the downfall of the president of the united states. ' oh, well, how nice of you!
when ollie north needed a cover group to run arms into nicaragua to help overthrow the government, who else could he turn to but the miami cubans? bay of pigs veterans ramon medina and rafael quintero were key managers of the air-transport company that supplied weapons to the contras. the usa-backed contra war was responsible for the deaths of thirty thousand nicarguans.
one of the big bonuses to come out of our funding of these cuban exiles was the help they gave us in bringing illegal drugs into the states, destroying families and whole sections of our cities. beginning in the early sixties, a number of cubans (who also participated in the bay of pigs invasion) began running major narcotics rings in this country. the dea found little support within the federal government to go after these cuban exiles, because they had organized themselves under the phony banner of 'freedom groups. ' in fact, most were nothing more than fronts for massive drug-smuggling operations. these same drug runners later helped to run arms to the contras.
usa based cuban terrorist organizations have been responsible for more than two hundred bombings and at least a hundred murders since castro's revolution. they have got everyone so afraid to stand up to them that i probably shouldn't even be writing this chapter. i am, after all, one of the few unarmed americans.
so why am i not worried? because these cuban exiles, for all their chest thumping and terrorism, are really a bunch of wimps. that's right. wimps.
need proof? for starters, when you don't like the oppressor in your country, you stay there and try to overthrow him. this can be done by force (american revolution, french revolution) or through peaceful means (gandhi in india or mandela in south africa). but you don't just turn tail and run like these cubans.
imagine if all the american colonists had all run to canada—and then insisted the canadians had a responsibility to overthrow the british down in the states. the sandinistas never would have freed their country from somoza if they had all been sitting on the beach in costa rica, drinking margaritas and getting rich. mandela went to prison, not to libya or london.
but the wealthy cubans scooted off to miami—and got wealthier. ninety percent of these exiles are white, while the majority of cubans. 62 percent, are black or of mixed race. the whites knew they couldn't stay in cuba because they had no support from the people. so they came here, expecting us to fight their fight for them. and, like morons, we have.
it's not that these cuban crybabies haven't tried to help themselves. but a quick look at their efforts resembles an old keystone kops movie. the bay of pigs is their best-known fiasco. it had all the elements of a great farce—wrong boats, wrong beach, no ammo for the guns, no one shows up to meet them, and, finally, they are left for dead, wandering around a part of their island completely unfamiliar to them (their limo drivers, i guess, had never taken them there in the good old days).
this embarrassment was so monumental the world still hasn't stopped laughing—and the miami cubans have never forgotten or forgiven this. say 'bay of pigs' to any of them, and you might as well be a dentist with a drill on raw, decaying nerve.
you would think that the bay of pigs defeat would have taught them a lesson, but then you would probably be projecting. you would have given up. not this crowd. since 1962, numerous cuban exile groups have attempted even more raids to 'liberate' their homeland.
let's go to the highlights reel:
in 1981, a group of miami cuban exiles landed on providenciales island in the caribbean on their way to invading cuba. their boat, the only one of four exile boats to make it out of the miami river (the other three were turned back by the coast guard due to foul weather, engine trouble, or too few life jackets) , ran aground on a reef near providenciales. stuck there on the island with no food or shelter, the miami cubans started fighting among themselves. they begged the people of miami to rescue them off the island, and after three weeks they were airlifted back to florida. the only one of their group to make it to cuban waters, geraldo fuentes, suffered an appendicitis attack while at sea and had to be helicoptered by the coast guard to guantanamo for treatment.
in 1968, a group of miami cubans learned that a polish ship was docked in the port of miami and that a cuban delegation might be aboard the freighter. from the macarthur causeway, according to the st. petersburg times, the cuban exiles fired a homemade bazooka and hit the ship's hull. it only put a nick in the ship, and the group's leader, orlando bosch, was sentenced to ten years of prison, but was released in 1972. bosch explained that they had hoped to cause more damage, but, he pleaded, 'it was a big ship! ' bosch had earlier been arrested for towing a tor**** through downtown miami during rush hour, and another time he was caught with six hundred aerial bombs loaded with dynamite in the trunk of his cadillac. in 1990, the bush administration released him from prison, where he was serving time for parole violations.
according to washington monthly, 'during the summer and early fall of 1963, five commando raids were launched against cuba in the hopes of destabilizing the regime. the negligible cuban underground was instructed to leave faucets running and light bulbs burning to waste energy. '
in 1962, according to the san francisco chronicle, cuban exile, jose basulto, on a cia-sponsored mission, fired a 20-mm cannon from a speedboat at the incan hotel next to havana bay, hoping to kill fidel castro. the shell missed, and basulto, seeing gasoline spilling all over his boat, high-tailed it back to florida. 'one of our gas tanks, made of plastic, began to leak, ' basulto explained later. 'gas ran all over the deck. we didn't know what to do. '
years later, basulto would go on to form 'brothers to the rescue, ' an exile group that for the past few years has been flying missions over cuba, buzzing cuban sites, dropping leaflets, and generally trying to intimidate the cuban government. in february 1996, castro was apparently fed up with this harassment, and after the twenty-fifth incident in the past twenty months of the brothers violating cuban air-space, he ordered that two of their planes be shot down.
even though brothers to the rescue was violating usa law by flying into cuban airspace (a fact the faa acknowledges) , the clinton administration again went to the exile trough and instantly got a bill passed to tighten the embargo against cuba. this embargo has brought the wrath of the rest of the world against us—the un general assembly voted 117 to 3 to 'condemn' the united states for its economic violence against cuba (as it has in every vote since the embargo was imposed).
the week after the planes were shot down, the exiles tried to force the hand of the usa, hoping to get the military to engage in some kind of action against castro. they announced that on the following saturday they would take a flotilla of boats from florida to just off the cuban coast, to protest the loss of the two planes. clinton decided to stage the greatest show of force against cuba since the missile crisis, and sent a squadron of f-15 fighters, eleven coast guard cutters, two navy missile cruisers, one navy frigate, two c-130 planes, and a bevy of choppers, awacs, and six hundred coast guardsmen to support the flotilla.
all he forgot to send was the dramamine—which, it turned out, was what the miami cubans really needed. just forty miles out of key west, the cubans on the boats started getting seasick, heaving up big chunks and begging their skippers to turn the damn yachts around. with the whole world watching, the cubans once again turned tail and ran. when they got back to port, they held a press conference to explain their retreat. one spokesman was still a little woozy, and you could see the journalists backing away from him, expecting any moment to be covered with a linda blair special.
'a horrible storm arose out of the sea, ' said the rapidly paling cuban exit leader. 'the waves were over ten feet high, and we had to turn back or lose our ships! ' as he spoke some creative genius working the weekend shift at cnn ran footage of the flotilla taken from the air as it headed towards cuba. the sun was shining, the sea was as smooth as glass, and the wind blew gently, if at all. reporters out at sea did say that after the cnn cameras left, the waters became 'rather rough. ' i'm sure they did.
castro has to be laughing his ass off.
— published by michael moore, april 13, 2004.
Iguana Six
01-19-12, 04:24
You went and quoted Nelson Valdes to me? Dude, I knew him (and Marty Needler, and Karen Nippers-Black, etc.) when he was writing that book. I have been over to his house for dinner and spent many an evening discussing such things with him. You have no idea how he really feels about "the revolution."
And for goodness' sake, don't surf the net, find a twenty year old article you think might be mildly related to the question at hand, cut-and-paste it into a reply, and leave that unreadable "wall of words" on this board like a tunafish sandwich left for two weeks on the back seat of a car parked at an airport in Arizona during a hot summer. That's something my undergrad students used to think they could get away with until a couple of them got .
Back to my original point. During the last 50 years, Cuba has not given the world anything. Not a single movie, not a single new food item, not a single novel, not a single new medicine, not a single new invention, not a single scientific breakthrough, not a single new agricultural development, not a single accomplishment or breakthrough in art, literature, food, clothing, dance, engineering. Nothing that has impacted the world the rest of the world has lived. Where is their Dr. Zhivago? Their Citizen Kane? Their invention of the mass produced automobile, the I-pod, the internet, sushi, Bollywoood, penicillin, a cure of polio, the microchip, Tunak Tunak Tun, the Beatles, Louis Armstrong, kevlar, fiber optics. Go back in time and remove the USA, Japan, Mexico, Egypt, or Korea from the history of the last fifty years and the world would be a very different place. Remove Cuba and tell me what the world would look like.
But. Cuba hands out engineering, medical, dental, legal, architectural, and other professional degrees like we hand out light sticks at an all night rave.
There are stupid people everywhere. Like the self-hating Jew, the self-hating American looks at the hoi-poloi of his own society with disgust while idealizing the "noble savages" of some other society he feels is living up to some "higher purpose" he hasn't been able to sell his countrymen on.
Americans build things, destroy things, and then build even better things. We compete in everything we do. We didn't choose rapid socialism, because we aren't THAT stupid. And you gotta work real hard to get us to accept creeping socialism. And we will turn on con men faster than you can say "Milli Vanilli."
So, yeah, we don't want to be operated by a doctor who has only gone through some 4 year medical school, and we aren't impressed with the way Cuba can't figure out how to do what the Koreans/Singaporeans/Hong Kongeese (turn brain power into productivity, then turn productivity into an economy that creates a middle class.) Cuba is a little factory that produces jailers, political prisoners, refugees, and excuses for a shitty economy. And God bless them for it. It allows us to do what our Grandfathers did in Germany after WWII and turn nylons and candybars into blow jobs from buxomy blondes.
Tank Not Mt
01-19-12, 16:26
Gentlemen
You must realize that this Forum is in the International Sex Guide-Havana section.
It is not meant for Political rhetoric or a place for you to rant about your own political views and desires.
I suggest you find another Forum or in the alternative post under General Information.
No such thing as upscale in Cuba. My suggestions are Havana Libre or Melia Cohiba. Up to 50 CUC per visit per girl guest fee.Maybe less upscale then.
How about Ambos Mundos? The one from the video posted here I think. Do they also require that kind of guest fee?
I guess I will have better luck staying in the downtown area? I can get a package deal at Club Acuario but its out at Hemingway Marina.
Do these hotels have internet access? Is internet hard to find in Cuba?
During the last 50 years, Cuba has not given the world anything. Not a single movie, not a single new food item, not a single novel, not a single new medicine, not a single new invention, not a single scientific breakthrough, not a single new agricultural development, not a single accomplishment or breakthrough in art, literature, food, clothing, dance, engineering. Nothing that has impacted the world the rest of the world has lived.C'mon, that's just silly. Not a single movie? Never heard of Tomás Gutiérrez Alea? Novels? Never heard of Leonardo Padura? Surely you know about Reinaldo Arenas, there was a well-received movie about his life (Before Night Falls) about 12 years ago. What about Jose Lezama Lima, or Guillermo Cabrera Infante? To be fair, Arenas and Infante went into exile; only Padura, I believe, has never directly challenged or criticized the Castro regime.
In any case the real impact of Cuban culture is in music, even a rabid old-school exile Miami-mafia type would admit that, LOL! Van Van have been touring all over the world for decades now with their high-energy brand of salsa. I just saw Chucho Valdes earlier this evening at Carnegie Hall, he's the greatest latin-jazz pianist alive today, heck he's probably the greatest jazz pianist alive period! Never heard of his group Irakere back in the 70's? When Silvio Rodriguez came to Carnegie about a year and a half ago, the audience intensity was at a level that I've never experienced in that hall before (I've seen tons of concerts of all kinds at Carnegie, classical, jazz, popular, so I feel I'm a pretty accurate judge at this). Silvio was a huge star all over South American and Latin America in his heyday back in the 70's & 80's. I feel almost silly to mention Buenavista as I have mixed feelings about the album and concept, but boy was I glad to see some of the Buenavista stars live in Havana before they kicked the bucket (Pio Leiva, Ruben Gonzalez, et al).
Not a single accomplishment in dance? Are you insane, LOL? Cubans learn to dance before they learn to walk. People all over the world want to dance salsa "Cuban-style" or the group style known as "casino." Never heard of the ballet dancer Carlos Acosta? He's a huge star, one of the top dancers for the Royal Ballet Covent Garden. The art scene I don't know but it's silly to pretend that there's not a single Cuban artist out there that doesn't have some kind of international standing. I will grant fashion and gastronomy there's probably little if anything; I think we can cut the Cubans some slack here, given the living conditions there and the kind of food / diet that's there.
The point is we should be amazed at these cultural accomplishments DESPITE the pitiful living and economic conditions, not to mention the political repression.
Now if you want to talk about STEM fields, or economics, or architecture, or medicine, that's a different story; but in case you haven't noticed, they are a deeply isolated island (more from the Castros than the US embargo by the way although it does have an impact) so it seems kind of low to pick on them for that.
In any case, it is true that Miami is saturated with Cubans that really should have just stayed on the island, but that's the fault of the first generation of exiles, and the laws and policies they support in their anti-Castro obsession (which I always thought was bizarre and unhealthy but I do understand where the hatred comes from). Most Cuban exiles nowadays that are successful do NOT go to Miami. You do realize there's a diaspora all over the world? I'm good friends with two examples. One is a young guy who left through the lottery, transferred 2 years worth of college, finished college here with a degree in comp sci, now works for IBM in the San Jose area. Another lady I once had a brief relationship with married a French guy, and lives in France now. She speaks French pretty fluently, has an advanced degree in microbiology, and after a few years, she's now doing the same kind of work she did in Havana (no, she's not an MD, but she's qualified to do diagnoses of culture slides in a clinic).
Mind you, they were part of the "educated middle class" in Havana, not the guajiros out in the countryside, or the poor trash that ends up in Miami washing dishes and parking cars. Not all Cubans are worthless trash, maybe just the ones you know, LOL.
So don't paint with such a broad brush okay? Kind of offensive dude. By the way, I'm not some lefty viva-Fidel type of guy, I just don't see the world in black-and-white like you do.
Kalifornication
01-23-12, 00:45
when you say "mush", what exactly do you mean?
you say: "1. are you sure you are not a communist living the states cuban? (there are a lot of them here and they all express them self the way you did that's why i ask)"
i am a marxist, but i live here in the states because this is my home. for now at least.
you say "2. is nice to exercise your rights to free speech and expression even when you are talking against your government isn't it? in your beloved cuba you would be send to prison for life or simply kill for that."
free speech and expression include the right to be critical of your own government. since my family has served the united states in all of its wars and since i am, as a matter of fact, an american, i'll continue to engage in this very american act. or would you rather silence me? as for cuba, i do not support political repression in cuba or the inability of cubans to speak freely. although i concede that some cubans regulate their own speech for fear of something, i am often surprised how freely the cubans do speak well and critically of their county.
you say "3. miami mafia? really are you that mush of a fuc-ng close minded ignorant?"
ummmmm, i do not know, maybe but:
see: luis posada carriles could be extradited to panama for allegedly plotting to kill fidel.
former cia agent luis posada carriles may have beaten charges in texas last year, but the aging anti-communist operative ain't in the clear just yet.
a panamanian lawyer requested his extradition today on charges that he plotted to kill then-cuban president fidel castro while in panama back in 2000.
carriles was controversially pardoned in 2004 by panamanian president mireya moscoso. bizarrely, moscoso met with carriles this week in miami just as a panama court upheld the sentence against the cuban.
posada carriles was acquitted of perjury and immigration charges last year in texas. documents released during the trial show that he earned $300 a month from the cia even as he fooled agents into thinking that he was under their control. in reality, he was plotting his own operations anti-castro operations.
before working for the cia, posada carriles participated in the bay of pigs invasion, was an officer in the us army, and moved to venezuela in 1976 to head american intelligence in the country. he was arrested the same year and accused of masterminding an attack on a cuban airliner that killed 76 people, but escaped before going on trial.
he was arrested again in 2001 in panama for planning to kill fidel castro with 200 pounds of dynamite and c-4 explosives. he was convicted in 2004 but pardoned by moscoso. posada carriles then made his way to the u.s.
but critics argue that moscoso's pardon was unconstitutional. the conviction was upheld on saturday, and today lawyer julio berrio petitioned the panamanian government to request posada carriles's extradition from the u.s.
meanwhile, moscoso appeared on television on tuesday and admitted that she met with the accused terrorist days before in miami. "i am proud that i let them out of jail," she said.
"i haven't reached the end of the road; the nature of the struggle has changed, but it is still the same," posada carriles said after his acquittal in texas last year.
follow miami new times on facebook and twitter @miaminewtimes. follow this journalist on twitter @mikemillermiami.
1. are you sure you are not a communist living the states cuban? (there are a lot of them here and they all express them self the way you did that's why i ask)
2. is nice to exercise your rights to free speech and expression even when you are talking against your government isn't it? in your beloved cuba you would be send to prison for life or simply kill for that.
3. miami mafia? really are you that mush of a fuc-ng close minded ignorant?
4. like i told you before there must be something wrong with cuba when even you that love it that mush will not stay there.
to the rest of you i m sorry for posting this here i know what i said in my last post but after reading this old lonely fool post i just had 2.
Kalifornication
01-23-12, 00:50
Finally, a voice of reason!
C'mon, that's just silly. Not a single movie? Never heard of Tomás Gutiérrez Alea? Novels? Never heard of Leonardo Padura? Surely you know about Reinaldo Arenas, there was a well-received movie about his life (Before Night Falls) about 12 years ago. What about Jose Lezama Lima, or Guillermo Cabrera Infante? To be fair, Arenas and Infante went into exile; only Padura, I believe, has never directly challenged or criticized the Castro regime.
In any case the real impact of Cuban culture is in music, even a rabid old-school exile Miami-mafia type would admit that, LOL! Van Van have been touring all over the world for decades now with their high-energy brand of salsa. I just saw Chucho Valdes earlier this evening at Carnegie Hall, he's the greatest latin-jazz pianist alive today, heck he's probably the greatest jazz pianist alive period! Never heard of his group Irakere back in the 70's? When Silvio Rodriguez came to Carnegie about a year and a half ago, the audience intensity was at a level that I've never experienced in that hall before (I've seen tons of concerts of all kinds at Carnegie, classical, jazz, popular, so I feel I'm a pretty accurate judge at this). Silvio was a huge star all over South American and Latin America in his heyday back in the 70's & 80's. I feel almost silly to mention Buenavista as I have mixed feelings about the album and concept, but boy was I glad to see some of the Buenavista stars live in Havana before they kicked the bucket (Pio Leiva, Ruben Gonzalez, et al).
Not a single accomplishment in dance? Are you insane, LOL? Cubans learn to dance before they learn to walk. People all over the world want to dance salsa "Cuban-style" or the group style known as "casino." Never heard of the ballet dancer Carlos Acosta? He's a huge star, one of the top dancers for the Royal Ballet Covent Garden. The art scene I don't know but it's silly to pretend that there's not a single Cuban artist out there that doesn't have some kind of international standing. I will grant fashion and gastronomy there's probably little if anything; I think we can cut the Cubans some slack here, given the living conditions there and the kind of food / diet that's there.
The point is we should be amazed at these cultural accomplishments DESPITE the pitiful living and economic conditions, not to mention the political repression.
Now if you want to talk about STEM fields, or economics, or architecture, or medicine, that's a different story; but in case you haven't noticed, they are a deeply isolated island (more from the Castros than the US embargo by the way although it does have an impact) so it seems kind of low to pick on them for that.
In any case, it is true that Miami is saturated with Cubans that really should have just stayed on the island, but that's the fault of the first generation of exiles, and the laws and policies they support in their anti-Castro obsession (which I always thought was bizarre and unhealthy but I do understand where the hatred comes from). Most Cuban exiles nowadays that are successful do NOT go to Miami. You do realize there's a diaspora all over the world? I'm good friends with two examples. One is a young guy who left through the lottery, transferred 2 years worth of college, finished college here with a degree in comp sci, now works for IBM in the San Jose area. Another lady I once had a brief relationship with married a French guy, and lives in France now. She speaks French pretty fluently, has an advanced degree in microbiology, and after a few years, she's now doing the same kind of work she did in Havana (no, she's not an MD, but she's qualified to do diagnoses of culture slides in a clinic).
Mind you, they were part of the "educated middle class" in Havana, not the guajiros out in the countryside, or the poor trash that ends up in Miami washing dishes and parking cars. Not all Cubans are worthless trash, maybe just the ones you know, LOL.
So don't paint with such a broad brush okay? Kind of offensive dude. By the way, I'm not some lefty viva-Fidel type of guy, I just don't see the world in black-and-white like you do.
Maybe less upscale then.
How about Ambos Mundos? The one from the video posted here I think. Do they also require that kind of guest fee?
I guess I will have better luck staying in the downtown area? I can get a package deal at Club Acuario but its out at Hemingway Marina.
Do these hotels have internet access? Is internet hard to find in Cuba?Ambos Mundos has got a nice rooftop restaurant with a view. Hotel Inglaterra may be better choice once you have made on a decision to stay in the Old Town. Hotel NH Parque Central probably has got the best reviews quality wise.
Marina is far away and you need a taxi. Looking for upscale hotel and a package deal does not seem logical to me. If you choose Club Acuario then you need to rent a casa in addition to your hotel.
Cost of internet varies. The cheapest I have seen was 6 CUC per hour on one access card. Buy as many cards as you need per stay at first as hotels may run out of cards.
Solirobjamson
01-24-12, 02:09
Do you think it's a good idea to go to Holguin in March? I've read some posts suggesting that Havana would be cleaned up before and after the Pope's visit. What about other places?
BTW. Kalifornication, Iguana Six, Lusifer69, Phunluv. Interesting discussion.
I'd be curious to hear the Cuban-Americans point of view on the sanctions, which I understand you guys support. I don't see any logic behind them. I come from a post-communist country, but I'd never do anything to hurt my country; communist or not.
Communism proved itself a failure, and nobody can seriously argue for it. I see that Cuba is moving away from it, and for the people in charge it's all about how to do it and stay in power.
Go back in time and remove the USA, Japan, Mexico, Egypt, or Korea from the history of the last fifty years and the world would be a very different place. Remove Cuba and tell me what the world would look like.No disrespect, but your argument doesn't go anywhere. Remove Japan and Germany from the history of the last eighty years, and perhaps the world would be better off with a few more Cubas instead; if you know what I mean. Everything is fluid. If a guy in Germany would not invent something someone else in Canada would; perhaps a few years later. USA is a modern day empire and removing it would make a difference, I'm not sure about other countries though (again no disrespect guys).
Yes, that is why Cuba is reknown for putting a man on the moon, its many patents, the many life-saving medications and treatments it has developed, its many inventions .Nobody questions that US is a great, innovative country, but things are not black and white, and US is not always on the right side (despite what TV tells you.). And perhaps if it wasn't for the sanctions, the next cancer drug would come from Cuba. Compare Cuba to other Caribbean countries, and you will notice that it's not doing badly despite having such a "great" neighbour. Again, communism = "economic disaster", and I hope that Cuba will realize its great potentials once it moves away from it.
Sammytheman
01-24-12, 07:52
Do you think it's a good idea to go to Holguin in March?I will let you know. I will in in Camaguey next Tuesday and then maybe Holguin. I will ask. Usually I have no trouble having fun in Holguin, except during the winter season when chicas are in school.
Iguana Six
01-26-12, 04:07
Gentlemen
You must realize that this Forum is in the International Sex Guide-Havana section.
It is not meant for Political rhetoric or a place for you to rant about your own political views and desires.
I suggest you find another Forum or in the alternative post under General Information.Message received. And understood.
By the way, how can one be a senior member with just 44 posts?
Tank Not Mt
01-27-12, 01:28
Senior Menber is a designation reserved for the experienced Mongers. LOL
I don't know why Jackson uses that jargon but who cares; its all in fun. Maybe its for the Spanish speaking for Mister (Senior)? Haha.
Message received. And understood.
By the way, how can one be a senior member with just 44 posts?
Ambos Mundos has got a nice rooftop restaurant with a view. Hotel Inglaterra may be better choice once you have made on a decision to stay in the Old Town. Hotel NH Parque Central probably has got the best reviews quality wise.
Marina is far away and you need a taxi. Looking for upscale hotel and a package deal does not seem logical to me. If you choose Club Acuario then you need to rent a casa in addition to your hotel.
Cost of internet varies. The cheapest I have seen was 6 CUC per hour on one access card. Buy as many cards as you need per stay at first as hotels may run out of cards.I ended up at Habana Libre. There was almost no availability at hotels in the Old Town / Vedado.
Internet is available in the room for 25 CUC / day, but its very slow.
BeersTerry
01-28-12, 17:47
How was the Habana Libre? Everyone tells me it is a shithole, though there were alot of German and Italian tourists there (in the Habana Libre)
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.1.4 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.