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Dolphin2007

10-22-07, 03:14

Cubanito. I like the way you think. Do you know any other casas in where the owners are very cool with the chica action. OR the owner is a chica caliente herself? That sounds like a perfect combination. Thanks!

Where did u find these illegal casas? In Chicharro, Santiago de Cuba? Not that I am racist, but are u a white guy? Not because I am racist, but Chicharro, Santiago de Cuba the only place in Cuba where I think a white tourist would get mugged and the local cops not do anything about it.

Even if you were to stay in illegal casa in Havana Vieja and let say you did get robbed and you told the cops that you got mugged. The World as we know it would end for those folks who rob you.

I do not where the f**k did u stay at dude, but wherever it was it does not sound like anything I stay at. Maybe Chicharro, Santiago de Cuba if you are a white guy.

BTW, for the records I HAVE STAYED IN ILLEGAL CASA in Havana. I stayed not out of nessesity, but for the reason that we are all here for. PUSSY, PUSSY and MORE PUSSY! The casa that I stayed on the Lady was this hot looking Model type who own a very nice casa near the airport. She was very, very hot and frankly I wanted to nail her. I ended paying for casa ($15/night), meals (Breakfast and Dinner) and lastly (she knew why I was staying) the pussy. It cost me 50 CUC/night. Did I overpay, you better believe I overpay for this pussy. But when I came that first night that she gave me her pussy it was long and behold the best fuck I hada had in a long time. I almost married this casa owner. But lucky for me I stopped thinking with little head and the circulation came back to my mind. Thank God I did the wise thing and left this casa. She did robbed me, but she did it by dangling her Ass, Tits and pussy in my face everymorning when I would get out of bed.

Berthold I do not know about your story. I have seen pint sized drunk as skunk Mexican in La casa de Musica in Havana Vieja and they did not get mugged. I have met them the next day after their intoxication. They might have had a terrible hangover, but no bruise from big black Cuban dude who wanted to snuff out his life along with his money. So I do not know about this story. It would make a great movie

El Cubanito

DriedUp

10-26-07, 08:58

Can someone bring back a box of cigarettes?

When I was in Cuba, I bought the hollywood blue, I think those are the light, regulars. Not the menthol or the strong.

If anyone can, please send me a message. I am in california.

Thank you

William

10-31-07, 09:54

I've stayed in Havanna for monthes at at time, both in Touristy areas and in a very very slum part of town where I was the only white guy.

I didn, t experience any problems at all, and felt safe.

The girls get done for being in a zone that they are not supposed to be in, thats how police control the place, they restrict movement.

The fine is about 1 euro so no biggee.

Once my gf got done for being with me whilst I was getting her antibiotics for her baby.

Overall I think Havanna, isn, t a great location if your into just uncomplicated by the hour sex, its good for extended gfe only

Cheers

Dolphin2007

11-04-07, 16:42

Hi All,

Will I be able to buy an inexpensive cell phone while in Cuba so that I can use it for the week that I am there?

Thanks,

Dolphin

BeersTerry

11-04-07, 21:41

No. Buy a unlocked GSM World Phone from outside.
A sim card in Cuba wil cost you CUC $80 more or less.

Kdogg21

11-04-07, 23:11

No. Buy a unlocked GSM World Phone.
A sim card in Cuba wil cost you CUC $80 more or less.

I heard it costs a lot there. I also heard you have long lineups to get the SIM card. Is that true?

BeersTerry

11-05-07, 15:07

There is a lineup for everything in Cuba.....it is a communist state. Just think of what the Soveit Union was like with the bread lines.

That being said, the line for that is not as bad. You just need to make sure you are going to the right place and not spend all your time in the wrong line at the wrong place.

I can't remember if the office out in western vedado was for both systems or not as they are both owned by the same group (Cuban/Italian joint venture).

Dolphin2007

11-05-07, 16:14

No. Buy a unlocked GSM World Phone from outside.
A sim card in Cuba wil cost you CUC $80 more or less.

Thanks Beersterry.come to think of it though. Is a cell phone in Havana something that is a "must have" for my mongering there? I've read multiple posts saying that giving out a phone # might be a good way to contact some of the the ladies when it is difficult to talk in the open. Wouldn't my casa particular have a phone? And the pay phones. Perhaps I don't need to bother with a cell phone while there? What do you think?

El Cubanito

11-05-07, 20:05

Most casa owner do have phone, but some will charge you a fee for making phone calls. Especially if you make calls out of Havana. I own a cell phone in Cuba which most of the time I leave it with the girl that gives me the best pussy action on a trip to Cuba. This time the girl I left the phone with unfortunately sold it and now the people who have it are acting Stupid with me. I will bring another phone when I go to Cuba this month and have another sim card installed. The people who have my old phone will have a worthless phone.

El Cubanito

Doc Bill

11-10-07, 04:46

I've been away from this board for a long time because after 11 trips to Cuba and seeing it get less and less tourist friendly I chose to go to easier places. However, I am going for a week in December to hook up with an ex-novia (yeah, I know!) who is going to meet me in Havana from Guantanamo.

My question is, has the situation gotten worse in terms of Cubanas being with foreigners? Last I heard they were getting put away just for talking to them on the street. How discreet do I need to be with my girl? And if stopped, what do you say to the police? I suppose it would help that we've known each other for 7 years, but how do you prove that? Old photos?

Cubanito, can you help me out here?

And she's mulatta, I'm white. I know that makes things more difficult.

I appreciate your feedback, guys!

Doc

Holiday27

11-12-07, 05:21

I'm headed down to Havana the week of December 16-23. Anyone going to be there at that time. Wouldn't mind chipping in for a rental car as I hear that is the way to go in Cuba. Let me know ASAP so we can plan.

James 006

11-12-07, 10:59

Do you still have this adresse?
Any photos?
I will spend christmas in Havanna and there is 4 years since I was in Cuba.
Need to make some plans and update on the situation.
Last time I picked up yong girls passing my tabel in the restaurant in China Town.
Is it hard to get the young girls these time?

Cubanito. I like the way you think. Do you know any other casas in where the owners are very cool with the chica action. OR the owner is a chica caliente herself? That sounds like a perfect combination. Thanks!

BeersTerry

11-12-07, 17:34

The situation has changed dramatically if you have not been there for 4 years. The strets are not flowing as it used to be as the part timer girls were running scared. You can always find hard core girls.

I understand the situation is better now than even earlier this year as things have relaxed a little bit.

Rebel Monger

11-12-07, 22:04

...she's mulatta, I'm white. I know that makes things more difficult.

I appreciate your feedback, guys!

Doc
Just get a tan and the police won't notice!
I don't see why a mulatta going with a white guy would make it more difficult. When I lived there, mulattas (even black girls), specially if they were good looking, would always hook up with mulattos or whites. The problem is not the race difference but the foreigner-Cuban interaction. That wasn't allowed in the past and if they could get the cash somewhere else (or a justification for hard currency), it wouldn't be allowed today.
So Doc, don't worry too much about it; at least, nothing will happen to you, and if she gets in trouble because of it, well, she should know about risks and rewards, and if you two met seven years ago, it means that she has a lot of mileage on her and she should have experience on how to handle the situation!

Doc Bill

11-13-07, 09:10

Thanks, Rebel, that's helpful. As I said, it's been a few years and I've heard that they've really been cracking down on Cubans with foreigners. My girl is coming from Guantanamo to meet me in Havana. I don't want her to have to go through all that and end up in jail!

And with regard to race, I and my girl have been hassled a LOT less when the girl was white too. That' been my experience.

So basically to put it bluntly I'm asking if we are gonna have to walk on opposite sides of the street and not be seen together in public???

Thanks!

BeersTerry

11-13-07, 14:53

I think the concern is the foreigner/professional interaction. If the relationship is real, there is not a whole lot of trouble. I know a guy that used to just walk straight at the cop with his girlfriend so the cop knew that they were'nt afraid.

Just be careful on the malecon. Cops are paid off by the jinateras there (or at least they were) who in turn hassle couples other than the paying jinateras.

El Cubanito

11-13-07, 16:17

Doc,

I too have not been back in Cuba now for two years. My Doctor Friend from Santiago now lives in Dominican Republic. So I visit her there. But I will be going to Cuba very soon. I was actually suppose be down in Cuba right now, but I had some techincal difficulties with my job and I could not go.

Do you still have my old email address? If you don't let me know and I will PM you with the old one and the new email address.

What they are telling you about Malecon cops is true. I do not believe that you will have any problems as long as she is there with you.

Listen, on this trip I will be meeting Enesto.

El Cubanito

Petrolero

11-13-07, 17:42

So basically to put it bluntly I'm asking if we are gonna have to walk on opposite sides of the street and not be seen together in public?

At night especially, if she is stopped by the police, there is a greater probability she could be placed in the paddy wagon and shipped back to Guantanamo on the next train.

Happened a lot recently in the San Rafael, Galiano, Zanja corridors. Male and female alike.

PincheCabron

11-14-07, 04:12

I was in Havana last summer for two weeks and for the most part just hung out with one girl. Went everywhere with no problems including the malecon. The only problem was the heat which did me in for a few days. If you look like a 65 year old italian old hanging with what could be your grandniece you may have problems walking together in the streets. At least the girl anyway.

Thanks, Rebel, that's helpful. As I said, it's been a few
years and I've heard that they've really been cracking down on Cubans with foreigners. My girl is coming from Guantanamo to meet me in Havana. I don't want her to have to go through all that and end up in jail!

And with regard to race, I and my girl have been hassled a LOT less when the girl was white too. That' been my experience.

So basically to put it bluntly I'm asking if we are gonna have to walk on opposite sides of the street and not be seen together in public???

Thanks!

OyiboAfrica

11-14-07, 09:53

Hey guys,

Can anyone recommend a good and reliable way on renting a villa or upper range apartment for roughly two weeks in havana? Though it will be my first time in Cuba, but have travelled to various other places and should be able to manage to live on my own without getting into to many troubles.

Thanks

Td7777

11-14-07, 20:15

Kalifornication

11-25-07, 19:41

I am returning back to Cuba but, via another route. Coming from NYC and am going to go through Nassau, Bahamas.

Has anyone ever used this service agent before: http://www.nashtravel.com/nassau.html

Seems to be the only one I can buy a ticket from.I used them back in 1996 when I traveled to Cuba legally for othe purpose of conducting a comparative law analysis.

I also went through Nassau. Be sure that they do not stamp you port "in transit".

The agency was great!

El Cubanito

11-26-07, 16:31

Please tell me how you make out with them. I always used these people and have never had an issue with them. The link is:

http://www.holidaymarkettravel.com/

These guys are one of the best agencies around.

El CUbanito

Pegasus99

11-30-07, 23:13

I think it is a problem for local girls to be seen with foreigners, even in casa particulars. However, it seems that hotels will permit girls in the room but for a very stiff fee (bribe to the security guards).

I was in Havana a few weeks ago at a reasonably upscale hotel. I was very surprised to see some girls lounging at the bar each of the nights I was there. They were very obviously call girls which I found strange given the controls in place in Cuba. There was a choice of either using the hotel room (payment of CUC100 to the girl and CUC 40-60 to the security guards) or a casa particular. I tried one of the girls (very pretty, young girl) after some negotiation on fees but it was not a great experience considering the exorbitant costs I had to incur.

Based on the advice of a Forum member, I had gotten in touch with a girl through the Internet and started corresponding with her prior to my visit. We exchanged pictures and e-mails and I even called her a few times. When I arrived in Havana, she came over to my hotel and spent a couple of hours with me in my room. I had to pay CUC 40 (USD50) to the security guard in the hotel to let the girl into my room. She was absolutely fabulous – complete GFE experience and I called her back again on my last night. However she did not want to go to a casa particular or even out on the streets with me as she was afraid that the cops would give her trouble. According to her, the casa particulars send the details of the girls who visit to the cops.

I plan to go again to Havana but am looking for another solution than the hotel. If anyone can recommend a private house or trustworthy casa particular, do let me know.

Pegasus

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Member #3200

12-03-07, 01:06

Wet Nose

12-03-07, 06:07

Hi,

I haven't used him for about 2 years already but Henry owns a casa in Havana - in a quiet part of Vedado, close to the Malecon. Very nice casa, with attached bathroom in a nice old house. He speaks fluent English and can pick you up.

PM me for his # (you aren't accepting pms???) and I can help you out.

Wet Nose

12-03-07, 06:11

Unless you really, really want to, DON'T ever consider renting a car in Cuba. As quoted from the Canadian foreign ministry:

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Canadians should avoid driving in Cuba; driving conditions can be hazardous. Signs are scarce. Bicycles, pedestrians, and horse-drawn carts use the middle of the road and do not readily give way to oncoming vehicles. Many vehicles are old and poorly maintained. Inoperable vehicles are often left on the road until repaired. Few roads are lit and vehicles rarely have lights or reflectors. If you must drive, drive defensively at all times and avoid driving after dark. The Autopista Central (national highway), which runs the length of the island, is generally in good condition. Other roads are generally poor. The highway between the Guardalavaca hotels and the Holguín airport is particularly dangerous. Allowing hitchhikers into your vehicle is not advised.

Traffic accidents are a frequent cause of arrest and detention of Canadians in Cuba. Accidents resulting in death or injury are treated as crimes, and the onus is on the driver to prove innocence. Regardless of the nature of the accident, it can take five months to a year for a case to go to trial. In most cases, the driver will not be allowed to leave Cuba until the trial has taken place. In some cases, he will be imprisoned during this delay.

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Solution: find a driver and settle on per day deal.

BeersTerry

12-04-07, 17:32

I have seen working girls in the lobby of a high end hotel ...in Habana vieja. ...across from the Telegrafo, can't remember the name offhand. They were complicit with the staff.

I have "palmed" security some money to get a girl into my room before, but that was a long time ago.

Corpo

12-06-07, 19:07

Looking for expert advice. I was in Cuba about 10 years ago. I know that things have changed for the worst. Planning on going there in the next 3 months via Bahamas. Only staying Fri-Mon. Can anyone offer some advice on the best hassle free place to stay (Hotel or House). Also best places clubs, bars or hangouts to pick non-pros. Lots of experience in other countries but not sure about Cuba reading some of the posts. Also, should I plan for Havana or more of a smaller beach area? Would really appreciate any sincere help.

Rock Harders

12-07-07, 01:30

Mongers-
I just got back from a 5 day stint in Cuba (after a week in Medellin-see report) and as such its time for my full report.

-TRAVEL INFO
As I was in Medellin, my only reasonable option was to fly Copa Airlines to Havana via Panama City. In addition this was an absolute last minute trip (the Cuba segment) so I bought the ticket the day before the trip to the tune of $580 USD round trip. When I arrived in Panama, before I boarded the flight to Havana, the Copa personnel informed me that I would be required to buy a $25 USD "tourist visa" so the Cuban authorities would stamp that instead of my passport. Upon arrival in Havana, I was hassled for about 30 minutes in migraciones; they wanted to know what a 24 year old American passport holder, travelling alone from Colombia and residing in Argentina, intended to do in Cuba. The agent called over a supervisor and a lengthy interview ensued. After the delay, they said welcome to Cuba and allowed me to pass. Next came another half-hour delay at Customs; again they wanted to know the same things as migraciones, and they asked the same questions about 10 times to see if I would change my answer. After a full luggage and pocket search, and I allowed to pass. I found a van to bring me to my accomodations for $15 CUC. Before I left the airport I exchanged 800 Euros and received around $1100 CUC.

-LODGINGS/FOOD/ACTIVITIES
I had booked a "casa particular" via the internet located somewhere in Havana Vieja; however the van driver informed me that the location of the casa was not very advantageous, and that he knew of several others in better, more centrally located places. As such, I took his advice and ended up at a Casa Particular located about one block from the Prado and several blocks from the Malecon. The Casa Particular was excellent at $25 CUC per night, and was essentially a private apartment with bathroom, bedroom with A/C, and sitting area split over two levels. I ate every single meal in the casa because the food was excellent; HUGE servings of shrimp or lobster for only $12 CUC per meal- two of the biggest lobster tails I have ever seen in my life, plus all the rice and beans and whatnot. Obviously, coming from seafood deprived Buenos Aires, I ate shrimp and lobster every single meal. The owners of the casa particular were extremely helpful and escorted me everywhere I wanted to go, including to the gym everyday and to use the internet(which is slow as hell). Anyone who wants details of the casa particular can PM me, as I am hesitant to post their contact info on a public forum.
I went to a gym about 10 blocks from the casa particular four of the days I was in Havana; each time the owner of the casa particular escorted me and I paid $1 CUC per day to use the facilities, which were horrendous. One day I always made the trip out to Playas del Este, to the beach in from of the Tropicoco Hotel, the beaches were very nice, with turqoise colored water and availability of food and drinks to be delivered to your beachchair.

-MONGERING
As Cuba is a police-state that officially bans and jails girls suspected of prostitution, there are obviously no clubs or streetwalker scene to speak of in the traditional sense. However, with the help of the owner of the casa particular, getting chicas was no problem at all. The owner of the casa was willing to offer up his neighbors, cousins, or any girl you might think was hot walking down the street, and he did all the negotiating. Each night I got a chica; two were friends of the family, and one I just saw walking down the street and had the owner see if she was interested, and the other was working out in the gym. Each girls cost 30-40 CUC and each was GFE of varying quality, and all were bareback at my insistance. Keep in mind here that I am a very young guy in top condition who speaks fluent spanish, so YMMV on price and quality of the experience obviously as none of the girls I encountered were prostitutes, just girls needing money in a country where the average salary of $10 USD per month just doesnt get it done.

-OVERALL IMPRESSIONS
All in all, I was very happy I made it to Cuba to see how it is before it all comes crashing down in a heap and the corporations go in there and turn the place into Disneyland. The quality of the chicas was not very high and the demographics were very similar to Rio de Janeiro in some regards. However the girls I got with were all hot and there are plenty of hot girls around willing to fuck a foreigner for some much needed cash. I would absolutely recommend staying in a casa particular (PM me for details about the one I stayed) and eating exclusively in the casa or other casas. In my opinion, Havana might be the most beautiful city in the world if it had a capitalist or mixed economic system; the architecture is stunning and the city is laid out well and is quite stylish and charming. Also, the rumor the Cuba is "expensive" is pure bullshit if you stay in a casa particular and eat in as well. Surely, I would not recommend Cuba if you cannot speak at least competent Spanish and cannot put up with less than Western standards of living. At some point I will be back to Cuba, its a cool place with an interesting amateur mongering scene for the adventurous.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Member #4364

12-07-07, 19:38

Hi Rock

Please; not laughing about my questions; the government watched over all.
So is it possible to buy a international newspaper ? Are websites blocked ?
Do you have access to CNN/BBC or something like that in a casa ?

Thx

Member #4167

12-07-07, 21:32

RockHarder - What's a better Value ?

ARG? Medellin or Havana?

Who had the best GFE?

Rock Harders

12-07-07, 22:50

Mongers-
In the Hotels there is unrestricted internet access (although its very slow) and cable TV with CNN in english and spanish. I did not see any international newspapers. As I would not recommend staying in a hotel, you can just walk into the lobby and pay the $6 CUC hourly rate to use the internet (same price for guest and non-guests). Also, the owners of the casas particulares will know someone that has a dial up internet connection in there house, although it is illegal. Medical doctors have the right to have internet in their house, and they pawn off this right to others in the black market.
In terms of value, that is pretty difficult to quantify and will be different for everyone. I live in Buenos Aires, so that is obviously the best value, and I am earning money living there and getting free pussy, so for me it costs nothing above and beyond normal living expenses. Medellin and Buenos Aires are mainstream mongering destinations, Havana is not. Each one is a totally different experience, and I enjoyed all three. In 2007 alone I have been to Brasil twice (Salvador and Rio de Janeiro), Bolivia(Santa Cruz), Paraguay(Asuncion), Colombia (Medellin) and Cuba (Havana) and I have thoroughly enjoyed each place. Santa Cruz was the cheapest for living expenses (food, etc.) and Asuncion the cheapest for quality pussy. I would recommend all these places for mongering.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Petrolero

12-08-07, 01:23

Upon arrival in Havana, I was hassled for about 30 minutes in migraciones; they wanted to know what a 24 year old American passport holder, travelling alone from Colombia and residing in Argentina, intended to do in Cuba. The agent called over a supervisor and a lengthy interview ensued. After the delay, they said welcome to Cuba and allowed me to pass. Next came another half-hour delay at Customs; again they wanted to know the same things as migraciones, and they asked the same questions about 10 times to see if I would change my answer. After a full luggage and pocket search, and I allowed to pass.

All in all, I was very happy I made it to Cuba to see how it is before it all comes crashing down in a heap and the corporations go in there and turn the place into Disneyland.

In my opinion, Havana might be the most beautiful city in the world if it had a capitalist or mixed economic system; the architecture is stunning and the city is laid out well and is quite stylish and charming.

Cuban officials are trained to believe every potential American visitor is in the CIA. With your admitted language skills and time in SA, you're a prime company man, in their eyes. You were flagged as a PIA, person of interest, prior to your arrival to the airport. Searching to pockets is a little deep. Even I, have not been asked that.

I don't follow your train of contraditory thoughts on economic development. Havana cannot be restored without the help of corporations. Disneyworld, Habanaworld, Chulavilla, or whatever mutually exclusive title, you want to place behind the thought process of development vs restoration. Government solo certainly isn't very condusive for economic progress.

With your youth and Spanish skills, you should be paying 2-10 pesos a pop. If I were the casa owner I'd be making the meals, providing the girls, and escorting you all over town, at those prices. You're the best kind of client, changing all his Euros to CUC in one shot, whether or not you need to spend 1 mil.

Petrolero

12-08-07, 01:34

I just booked a trip 2 havana/playa de este/santa maria beach area, leaving on Tuesday

I have been 2 the area many times but haven't been there in 3 years & I know this area is now dead compared to years ago due 2 policia, any of the expert mongers who frequent the area (el cubanito, cubiche, petrolo) be there this week (dec4-11th) I'm a white canadian who does prefer the lighter skinned cubans, is there any good places in the area still left for mongering: for example, Guanabo, El trebol, via blanca (for uni student hitching rides), disco on beach road between hotel tropicoco & atlantico.

The places mentioned above use 2 be active for mongering, I need help please PM me for help

If in the area during week, I'll buy beer.

Thank you very much

Member 3200
I just read your message late.

All the tourists from the area hotels were going to Guanimar in Guanabo. If Guanimar was closed that night, they were to Guanabo Club. Some went to El Dorado, but the reports were that it was pretty dead. Bellomonte closed down earlier in the year.

Summer, even Sept-Oct was a better time for what your looking for.

Rock Harders

12-08-07, 15:51

Petrolero-
I think you missed my point about wanting to see Havana before it turns into Disneyland. I agree that the only possible way for Havana to be restored is through big-bucks investment, and in fact I feel it will inevitably happen at some point, I just wanted to experience Cuba the way it is now before it changes.
In terms of pricing, I am not one of those cheapskate motherfuckers that want to beat the girls down to the absolute rock bottom price. For me, paying 30-40 CUC for an multi-hour bareback experience from a regular girl that will never bother me again after the session is an absolute steal. In fact, I would feel guilty paying significantly less. In addition, I had absolutely no problem paying the prices for accomodation or food that I did, as I see them as more than fair. Did you know that in order to have the right to rent to foreigners the family has the pay a 250 CUC per month tax plus a year end tax? These people really need the money and part of my objective in coming to Cuba at this time was to experience and really see how these people live under this wretched system. The day before I left I took the family to a CUC tienda and let them pick out several things they wanted, such as soap, shampoo, some condiments, and a case of beer. It cost me a whopping 40 CUC but it meant a lot to these people.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Lankan_Lover

12-09-07, 15:51

Hi Rock,

Thanks for the report. I was in Havana in 2004. Girls were nervous and really scared of the police when I was there. How was the situation now. Do you see a lot of girls working in Havana?

El Cubanito

12-10-07, 14:53

Glad to read that you has a great time.

BeersTerry

12-10-07, 17:30

Late 2004 and 2005 was the worst. It has gotten a lbetter in 2007

Rock Harders

12-11-07, 01:28

Mongers-
At no point during my trip to Havana did I even attempt to track down "pros" because it was completely unnecessary given the situation I was in. In Havana, almost any (slight exaggeration) unmarried women would be open to fucking a foreigner for the right price. There were two that I had the owner of the casa make offers to that both said no because they had live-in boyfriends/maridos but said they would have done it otherwise. The owner of the casa discouraged me from going out to bars and finding hardcore pros and he made it completely unnecessary. Your best bet for Havana mongering in my opinion is to have the owner of whatever casa you are staying in do most of your recruiting for you.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

Corpo

12-11-07, 14:18

Glad to hear that it is better. I've been to China so many times and need a litttle latin flavor now. About 10 years ago it was an incredible destination, the girls in the clubs were beautiful and never wanted anything more than just some drinks, food and a nice place to stay. Really looking forward to going again, just can't decide on the area.

El Grande

12-11-07, 18:02

Mongers-
(...) Your best bet for Havana mongering in my opinion is to have the owner of whatever casa you are staying in do most of your recruiting for you.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

He probably made them pay for the yuma he had to rent. lol
For me 50 % of the fun is the 'hunting-part'. I'm fluent in Spanish and I'd never want to miss that part.

El Cubanito

12-11-07, 20:02

I have stayed in Casas where the owners will get you the Chicas. Yes, the chicas and the casa owners do have an arragement and yes, El Grande you are right most of the deals are around 50%.

But I am with El Grande. For me, 50% of the fun is getting these chicas to go to bed with you and in the end when you become their friends them not charging straight up for a sesion. That is the fun for me. Getting pussy from a girl you met a couple of days of go and not paying for the service. What a feeling!!!!

Two years ago while going to Santa Maria Beach for the day. I came across these 2 high Schoolers who had skip classes and were looking for a Yuma (Tourist) to give them a ride to the beach. As soon as we started flirting with one another. I notice that one them wanted me, but when I ask her age she said she was 17. The hard dick got soft real quick. I know that if you are a Cuban Citizen you can have sex with somebody as young as 17, but I do not live in CUba no more so I adhere to the International law of 18. They were both stunners (the 17 year old looked like Roselyn Sanchez from Rush Hour 2 and the 18 year old looked like Jaime King from Sin City) and as you might have quess the 17 year old was certfiable 10 in any anybody books, but the age thing kept fucking me up. They both lived in San Miguel del Padron. Anyway the 17 year was ready for action. The 18 did not want to anything, but I drove them to the Santa Maria Beach. We went to one of the many places you can hide in this beach and they change into their swimsuits. We spent the whole afternoon talking, drinking, eating, laughing and just having a good old time at the beach. 6 PM roll around and I took them home. I left them just at the entrace to San Miguel since they said that they did not want to get in trouble with their boyfriends and parents. We exchange phone numbers. I got back to my casa took a shower, when I got out my shower the casa owner told me that a Yunexy was on the phone for me. At first I did not remember who it was and then I noticed that it was the 18 year old I had met. Well, she ask me if we coud hook up for dinner and a little company, but she warm me that she had to be acbk at home by 12:00 midnight at the latest. I said no problem. Got into my rental car drove over where I had drop her off and we drove abck to Santa Maria. We had dinner at this place by the beach and after dinner we went to a place that she said she knew we could get a room if I pay the owners 15 cuc. I did not mind paying extra for this room since this girl looked like a exact duplicate of Jaime King. Guys no lie she looked just like Jaime King in the movie Sin City (Goldie). Well she took care of me and we became good friends. I was with her up to the last day I was in CUba 2 years ago and we have kept in touch via emails. If my job can live without me, the first gilr i will do will be Goldie (Yunexy). The moral of the story guys it was not easy, but I got my fish to byte and had a great couple of days with her. The fun si in the hunt guys.

El Cubanito

PS I added a pic of Jaime King for those that do not watch movies.

Juan Gonzalez

12-11-07, 21:12

Where you cant find chica frendly casas in Habana.

Doc Bill

12-22-07, 06:29

Hi all my fellow Cubaphiles. I just got back from a one week trip, having not been there for about two years. Things have gotten a lot worse. Since they do not need tourism, now that they have China, Chavez and oil, they are making it a lot more difficult.

First there's the 20% "fee" you pay to Fidel. Then there's the big crackdown on Cubans who talk with tourists. I was told by more than one source that women are being put into "camps" for 2-6 years for being caught with a tourist. Whereas a few years ago people wouldn't leave me alone, this time I hardly got so much as a look, and I really missed being able to just talk to Cubans, as well as pick up on chicas. Also, there has been a big upswing on crime in general and on crimes against tourists. People are more depressed, angry and desperate.

In a way it's worse than the "Special Period." During the Special Period people had money but there were no things to buy with it. Now it is the inverse - Lots of things but no money, so they live with necessities that they can't have taunting them from store windows. This is worse, at least that's what a lot of them say to me. For the first time in my 12 visits toCuba since 2000, I felt unsafe in the streets - something bad was palpable.

The method of having your casa owner arrange the chica sounds like a good idea. I was there with an old girlfriend, so I didn't go out hunting, but I suspect it wouldn't have been easy. My girl came from Guantanamo - so she was afraid of getting caught just being in Havana (they are not allowed to travel without good reason), and afraid of getting caught with me. This was a total drag. We couldn't go out anywhere together. She said that it wouldn't be so bad if she were from Habana, but that even for Habaneras it's pretty bad.

I went to La Casa de La Musica one night to see Bamboleo (sucked), and as I was leaving the police were stopping every girl that was coming out and questioning them and checking id's. Not one girl in the place gave me anything but a passing glance that seemed to say "I'd love to but I just can't."

I still love Cuba. I have good friends there. But it's more and more difficult to be there. As a mongering destination it would be at or near the bottom of my list.

Lankan_Lover

12-23-07, 15:18

Hi Doc,

I have been to cuba couple of times. I am planning to go there in January 2008. But your post has completely discouraged me. Is the situation really bad. I am concerned about your comments about crime in Havana.

BeersTerry

12-24-07, 02:53

Crimes of opportunity have been increasing for a few years now. I do not know if it is because of the youth, but they are disillusioned. It is best to be careful of snatch and runs during the dusk and evening hours. Better yet, leave your valuables at home.

Doc Bill

12-25-07, 07:26

Lankan - Beersterry's right. I don't want to inspire fear, and in perspective Cuba is no doubt safer than many other places (Haiti, Jamaica), but I use the perspective of time. I used to walk the streets of Centro Habana at all hours of the night alone, and I never felt fear and I was never ever approached by anyone in a negative way.

But this time I just felt something different. I didn't feel safe. Then I heard my friends (Cubans) tell how tourists were being attacked, that crime in general has gone up, including violent crime, which in turn has brought on more police (from Oriente), who then think they own Habana, and hassle everybody, which makes the people angry, and angry people commit angry crimes, which brings more oppression....and so the vicious cycle goes.

And I absolutely could not be seen in public with my girlfriend. She illegally traveled (such a crime!) from Guantanamo to see me, and she would have certainly been taken away if we were stopped on the street. So basically we could only be together inside. I know what you're thinking but at my age I just can't have sex 24/7. If she were from Habana it would have been easier, but they are still putting girls away for talking to foreigners. And the darker their skin, the more the chances of trouble.

When Fidel handed over power to Raul about a year ago, Raul, suprisingly to everyone, started talking about easing oppression and opening up. Then one day, literally, that talk all stopped and things got even more oppressive. Word on the street is that Fidel told his little brother to shut the **** up. And he did.

But I digress: Bottom line, I wouldn't think of walking around alone late at night in Habana now. And I wouldn't go back anyway. It's not worth it. Everything's very expensive, you can't talk with the natives, the food sucks, and mongering is probably easier in Saudi Arabia.

Petrolero

12-26-07, 01:49

I am planning to go there in January 2008. But your post has completely discouraged me. Is the situation really bad. I am concerned about your comments about crime in Havana.

Crime expands, the later it gets in Dec, in preparation of New Year's parties.

The entire population in Havana wants to buy pork, beer and rum for the end of the year. Some will steal your camera and money to obtain those things for the house. Others are more willing to sell stuff, at bargain prices. Pickpockets are ripe and multiple, everyday in Chinatown.

You may experience a bit of a cosa hangover in Jan, but maybe not. There aren't many happy faces on the streets this month.

El Rey De Pollo

12-27-07, 12:53

Sean EZ

12-27-07, 20:14

Hi all my fellow Cubaphiles..

Doc, what about meeting regular/semi/pros in the dance and night clubs in Havana and then arrange for them to come to your casa, or do they have police in the clubs also? There are a lot of positive reports here, how do they manage to have a good time? thanks

Vedado Fun

12-27-07, 21:05

You would prefere mongering in Saudi Arabia over Cuba? I hope that is one crazy exaggeration?

Since I have allready booked a whole month in Cuba (mainly Havana) in May, I really hope someone will give a second opinion on the status of mongering, crime and life in general in Habana.

I sincerely hope it is not nearly as bad as Doc has been describing?

What Doc says is 100% correct. I feel the same way as he does about Havana. I've been there more than a dozen times. I used to feel really safe there but the last time I was there (Sept 2007) I also felt very uncomfortable in a lot of areas. It's still an ok place to visit and the girls can be great but it's not as easy to find Chicas as it used to be. I would not really recommend Havana as a top mongering destination. If you have to go there for other reasons it's really not too bad but if mongering is your main reason I would look elsewhere.

Vedado Fun

12-27-07, 21:16

Doc, what about meeting regular/semi/pros in the dance and night clubs in Havana and then arrange for them to come to your casa, or do they have police in the clubs also? There are a lot of positive reports here, how do they manage to have a good time? thanks
There are lots of undercover Police around Havana nowadays. I don't go to clubs myself but I see Police in uniform and in plain clothes outside many clubs.
I'm sure it will be very easy for you to meet Chicas in the clubs and have them go to your casa but they will not be able to leave the club with you and walk to your casa unless they follow you from a distance. You will probably be ok taking a Chica back to your casa in a taxi depending on where your casa is. The easiest way is to just have a Cuban guy walk the Chica to the entrance of your casa. This may cost you $5 but it's usually worth it. It's best not to be giving out your casa address and especially your room number and telephone number to anyone unless you know them really well.

El Rey De Pollo

12-28-07, 15:10

Doc and Vedado Fun,

Are you guys talking about Havana being a lot worse in terms of crime and chica-pick up's in a perspective of, say 4, 6 or 10 years? Or are you talking about a rapid decline within the last year or two?

My last time in Havana was in November 2006, so a little over a year ago. Has it worsened since then?

I know Havana (and Cuba) is not the crimefree, chica-packed paradize it was in the 90's or even in the beginning of the 2000's, but I still loved Havana when I was there a year ago. Probably because mongering is not my main reason for going there, but just a hobby that I like to practise when I have time off from the work I do there. I also rarely pick up pro's, but stick to the amateurs and semi-pros. But I would hate to loose this off-duty hobby.

Please clarify on the timeframe issue, guys.

BeersTerry

12-28-07, 17:05

The best advice that I have seen and used? Meet the girls on CyberCupido or such. Get to know them a little and when you visit, you are already familiar. You have an opportunity to get away from the hardcores and get back to the true jinatera. Lots more fun to get out and away from the heavily policed tourist areas.

Vedado Fun

12-28-07, 21:55

Sean EZ

12-29-07, 01:45

Wet Nose

12-29-07, 06:19

Sorry again to bug everyone with my Cuba-thread-newbie stuff, but here goes another question. As far as talking to girls in dance clubs or asking one for a dance, is that potentially a punishable crime for them also? Same question goes for less-touristy beaches. As far as crime I don't care - been to Colombia bunch of times, know how to handle myself. We are in our late 20s, early 30th, in case that matters. Any feedback on the subject is appreciated. Thanks.

In the clubs, AFAIK, it's perfectly OK. I've done it plenty of times - just got back yesterday.

But things are different once you step outside. Cuba is a police state and it's not just the police you can see but the ones who are not so obvious...

BeersTerry

12-29-07, 18:18

I like Colombia too, but find Cubans are more sensual. The problem is that getting around, getting girls, getting food is a pain in the ass.

Cuba is third world living at 1st world prices while Colombia is 1st world living at 3rd world prices.....though they are going up rapidly.

No crime in the club....just ask politiely for the chica to unhand your dick.

Dolphin2007

12-30-07, 01:59

Hi All,

I've been chatting up a number of gals in CyberCupido. Some are pretty young (18 or 19), and I'm 38, and they know my age. Can I assume they know they I just want a part-time gf, or might they want more? I'm happy to treat them right as long as they treat me right.

Thoughts or experience with this? I don't want to waste time chatting with somebody if they are going to make me wait a long time since I'm only going to be there for 1 week.

Thanks,

Dolphin

Kalifornication

12-30-07, 03:57

In the clubs, AFAIK, it's perfectly OK. I've done it plenty of times - just got back yesterday.

But things are different once you step outside. Cuba is a police state and it's not just the police you can see but the ones who are not so obvious...Being an american of bi-racial background, and having many friends that are of african descent, america is quite the police state as well. The more you blend in with the so-called majority, the less police-ing the state imposes. Just my three cents.

Doc Bill

12-30-07, 06:40

Most of the questions asked of me have been answered by others. If I'm leaving something out let me know or ask again. I do want to stress, though, that yes indeed the crackdown has gotten a lot worse just over the past year. There are plainclothes police in the clubs - which explains why I was there alone with my blond gringo hair and not one girl talked to me. And the uniforms were detaining every single chica walking out. (This was at Casa de la Musica in Miramar). There is absolutely no way I would have been able to take anyone to my casa.

As I said I went there to be with a girl I met years ago. So there was no need to go hunting. But basically we had to hide like rats indoors. It wouldn't have been quite that bad if she were from Havana, but she was from Guantanamo and therefore in Havana illegally.

And forget about just the girls. I like to walk around meeting people - girls, guys, characters - that's part of the thrill for me - Well, no more. Hardly anyone would even look in my direction. Very very sad, is all I can say.

And no, I don't know Saudi Arabia but I think you get my point. If your purpose is mongering there is absolutely no reason to go to Cuba and deal with all the bullshit when you have DR and Colombia so close by.

Golds

12-30-07, 13:55

Doc Bill,

Yes Havana sucks, but at this moment it is the only place to have a girl in your room. In the other provinces it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to find a casa to invite your novia. How many are fucking there girls on the beach, in their car or even in the streets at night? A lot, believe me.

All the night clubs in Havana are a mess, 100 CUC, 80 CUC for one hour and they have a very bad attitude in the sack.

Yes invite a girl like you do from the other provinces is an option but it is like walking with a scared cat in the streets.

Doc Bill

12-31-07, 11:43

Member #4643

01-08-08, 15:59

Good Points, Golds - We had her come out to Havana only based on a guess (an informed guess) that it would be better than the East, but as it turns out if it is any better its not a statistically significant difference.

As for getting a casa, maybe it still is easier in Habana, I haven't been to other provinces in a long time. But so what. I now have a girl that I can only be together with hiding like rats inside.

And since my girl did come from Guantanamo and it was exactly like walking with a scared cat on the street. But as I learned - scared for good reason - the kind of scared that you listen to and respect.

Doc: I do not understand how you managed to spend your time in a casa particular with your girlfriend if 1) she had to register and 2) registration goes to the police and 3) being in Habana is considered to be a criminal offense.

For my part, since I am going to Habana next year, I would appreciate some advice on how to meet chicas and spend the night with them rather than all the negativity about how hard things are. I don't mean to be critical, because I know police states can be difficult to live in (having lived in one for almost a year during my youth), but opportunities stilll exist in Cuba. Like lots of trips that I take, this one will occur regardless of the chica situation, and I hate to think of myself not taking advantage of the situation and finding some beautiful Cuban women to hang around with.

Trinpaul

01-08-08, 16:07

Doc:
For my part, since I am going to Habana next year, I would appreciate some advice on how to meet chicas and spend the night with them .

They'll find you!

BeersTerry

01-09-08, 03:25

Cuba changes by week/day/hour.

What is going on now may have no relevance to conditions when you go.
Meet chicas during the day, it is easier when you don't have a hard on.

La Isla

01-09-08, 03:34

If you speak Spanish, and can spot scammers, it's a GREAT way to meet chicas. I have met some gems over the years in Cuba with CyberCupido.

Hi All,

I've been chatting up a number of gals in CyberCupido. Some are pretty young (18 or 19), and I'm 38, and they know my age. Can I assume they know they I just want a part-time gf, or might they want more? I'm happy to treat them right as long as they treat me right.

Thoughts or experience with this? I don't want to waste time chatting with somebody if they are going to make me wait a long time since I'm only going to be there for 1 week.

Thanks,

Dolphin

Dolphin2007

01-11-08, 18:13

Hi All,

Sorry for posting this here, but nobody really responded in the Vardero thread.

I'll be in Havana for a few days, but then I'm slated to be out in the chica-desert of Vardero. So, I was curious what my options might be trying to pick up chicas in Varadero or Matanzas? I hear Vardero is dead (cubans not allowed, right?), but Matanzas isn't too far away.

Any advise or thoughts? or is my best friend in my 5 days in Varadero going to be my hand?

Thanks,

Dolphin

Snook

01-14-08, 19:01

Haven't been there in a couple of years, and Cuba does change frequently, not sure how accurate this is as of today. I had no problem meeting women in town, either on the streets or in shops, restaurants, etc. I had to initiate the conversation, but it was not as secretive as Havana. Not as much police presence either. There is a park in the center of town that is a gathering place for everyone in the evenings, especially on the weekends. Having a car will help.. El Valle was about 10 mintues from town, but nice pool and one of the only hotels I've ever been in in Cuba where I could bring a woman back. Very private.

Hope this helps... updated report would be appreciated...happy hunting...
Snook

El Cubanito

01-14-08, 22:49

When was the last time you were in Varadero?

I was there in 2005 and I had to go to a Cuban Casa Particular in Varadero so we could stay together. The owner told me that I look Cuban and not to speak around the house in front of other Cubans. My car had to be car parked inside a Garage since it was a Rental.

I am very interested when you were there.

El Cubanito

Member #4643

01-15-08, 21:07

If you speak Spanish, and can spot scammers, it's a GREAT way to meet chicas. I have met some gems over the years in Cuba with CyberCupido.

I have done very well with CyberCupido. All but one girl I met on the site fucked me on the first date when I met her (my experience is limited to the DR, however).

I always plan on dining and wining them on the first night, doing a pro after I take her home, and then having sex on the second date. Its a strategy that almost always works. With CyberC, you usually get to skip the first date and go right to bed after dinner.

One piece of advice: don't mention having sex with the girl until you have had numerous correspondences AND she is starting her letters with, "Hola Amor" (or something to that tune). Otherwise, the girl will get defensive and you will put yourself into a hole. Remember, these girls do not think of themselves as pros, even though they are essentially selling themselves on the internet.

El Rey De Pollo

01-16-08, 17:11

Dolphin2007

01-17-08, 19:50

So. If one was to check out this online scene before a Cuba trip, would CyberCupido be the best choice? I know there are a bunch out there like amigos, badoo etc etc.

Never tried that stuff. Like the hunting part, but could be interesting to see what goes on on these sites and how many chicas are there with profiles.

Which would you say have the largest amount of good looking cubanas?

And are there any free ones?

TGHi Travelling Gring,

I've only tried CyberCupido. It allows you to write to 2 women per day, and check out the profiles of 70 women/day for free. If you check out somebody, it sends them a notice that they are being checked out (and then they check you out), etc. So, the free service works fine for me, but you can pay to have unlimited emails, etc. I always include my email address in those that I write to, so I quickly get them off Cybercupido into my email.

I'm travelling to Cuba for my first time in March, so then I can tell how it will all pan out. But offhand, I think it is working great. I have about 4-5 women lined up who will be great and who seem like they'll be fun. My spanish is somewhat limited, so all of them but one speaks some english. If you are fluent in spanish, you will be golden, and have your hands full. If that is the case, I think the problem then becomes are these women going to get in the way of your unplanned hunting and mongering? Also, I'm a tad bit picky on looks, so I've really excluded many women who were interested in me, but they were not quite my type (I like them slim/petite). I have one who I really like and who is bilingual and who writes me frequently, so I'm hoping to spend lots of time with her. But, I like to keep the others in my backpocket just in case, as well as I'd like to hunt a little. So, I think you'd do well using Cypercupido. I'd like to hear from you and others about success with the other options though. Buena suerte.

Dolphin

Dolphin2007

01-17-08, 21:10

Hi All,

I'm arranging my casa particular for my first trip to Cuba. I was curious what part of Havana people would recommend? I speak fair spanish, am 41, and in good shape, and am used to big cities.

Thanks!

Dolphin

El Cubanito

01-18-08, 16:01

Dolphin,

For me Vedado is the best. But that is just my personal preference.

El Cubanito

El Rey De Pollo

01-18-08, 16:27

I agree, Vedado is my place as well. Either around La Rampa y L or out near Miramar where you can find some pretty big casas.

Less hazzle from jineteros in Vedado than Old Havana. Allthough Old Havana is beautiful.

Basically, any area in Old Havana, Vedado or the section of Habana Centro that runs along the Malecón would be my pick.

El Rey De Pollo

01-18-08, 16:31

Good luck with that. Seeing that it's your first time, don't sweat it if things don't work out with the chicas from online. There'll be plenty girls around in Havana who don't care if they have only known you for an hour. And if you speak some Spanish, they'll be more than happy to talk to you. (If the policia is not around, off course...)

I'm heading to Havana in April, so would be interested in hearing how all the Cyber-stuff turned out. Might give it a go if it sounds like it's worth it. Please give us a report.

Hi Travelling Gring,

I've only tried CyberCupido. It allows you to write to 2 women per day, and check out the profiles of 70 women/day for free. If you check out somebody, it sends them a notice that they are being checked out (and then they check you out), etc. So, the free service works fine for me, but you can pay to have unlimited emails, etc. I always include my email address in those that I write to, so I quickly get them off Cybercupido into my email.

I'm travelling to Cuba for my first time in March, so then I can tell how it will all pan out. But offhand, I think it is working great. I have about 4-5 women lined up who will be great and who seem like they'll be fun. My spanish is somewhat limited, so all of them but one speaks some english. If you are fluent in spanish, you will be golden, and have your hands full. If that is the case, I think the problem then becomes are these women going to get in the way of your unplanned hunting and mongering? Also, I'm a tad bit picky on looks, so I've really excluded many women who were interested in me, but they were not quite my type (I like them slim/petite). I have one who I really like and who is bilingual and who writes me frequently, so I'm hoping to spend lots of time with her. But, I like to keep the others in my backpocket just in case, as well as I'd like to hunt a little. So, I think you'd do well using Cypercupido. I'd like to hear from you and others about success with the other options though. Buena suerte.

Dolphin

Questner

01-21-08, 00:38

I am planning my first trip to Havana this February. I will stay at the hotel and don't plan to rent a car. What are the main no hassle pick up venues? Is there a problem for a sure ST/LT at the casa of chica's choice? I need a simple guideline. Would definetely hate to waste my time. My spanish is quite limited. Used to DR, CR etc. I did my homework but still confused how easy is to see some action. thanks.

El Rey De Pollo

01-21-08, 12:11

No hazzle, best bets are the discos and the suburbs. Worst places are Habana Vieja and Malecón. Cops on every streetcorner.

All pro girls will know a casa you can go to. These will be illegal casas mainly.

Limited Spanish and first time visitor, I would stick with DR or CR. But if you feel up to the challenge (it will be a challenge!) good luck in Havana.

TG

I am planning my first trip to Havana this February. I will stay at the hotel and don't plan to rent a car. What are the main no hassle pick up venues? Is there a problem for a sure ST/LT at the casa of chica's choice? I need a simple guideline. Would definetely hate to waste my time. My spanish is quite limited. Used to DR, CR etc. I did my homework but still confused how easy is to see some action. thanks.

Dolphin2007

01-21-08, 13:27

Thanks for the advice Travellng Gring. I'll definitely let people know how things work out with the cybercupido planning. I'm booking a casa in the Vedado area (thanks for the advice on that too everyone), and it is 3 blocks from the Malecon, so the location will be good. Nice to know that I should be fine either way.

Best wishes everyone.

Dolphin

Good luck with that. Seeing that it's your first time, don't sweat it if things don't work out with the chicas from online. There'll be plenty girls around in Havana who don't care if they have only known you for an hour. And if you speak some Spanish, they'll be more than happy to talk to you. (If the policia is not around, off course...)

I'm heading to Havana in April, so would be interested in hearing how all the Cyber-stuff turned out. Might give it a go if it sounds like it's worth it. Please give us a report.

Amocuba

01-21-08, 18:28

No hazzle, best bets are the discos and the suburbs. Worst places are Habana Vieja and Malecón. Cops on every streetcorner.

All pro girls will know a casa you can go to. These will be illegal casas mainly.

Limited Spanish and first time visitor, I would stick with DR or CR. But if you feel up to the challenge (it will be a challenge!) good luck in Havana.

TG

I concur with TG. Havana is NOT the best spot for non-Spanish speaking newbies. The game is fast there as many of the Cubans see how fast they can seperate the unknowing from their cash.

El Rey De Pollo

01-22-08, 11:50

Fellas,

Som jerk-off (hope it's not you, Dolphin? :-) has booked my favourite casa in Vedado in April, so I need to find a similar casa.

Requirements:

- Location: Vedado close to 23, L and Malecon or Centro on the Malecón or perhaps Habana Vieja (but never seen a good, independent casa there)

- Totally independent. Prefer apartment over room/studio. Seperate entrance and owners who don't hazzle about chicas.

- Balcony, telephone and clean as hell.

Any tips?

(In case you don't want everybody to know about your 'secret' casa so that it is booked everytime you're in Havana, please PM me)

Dolphin2007

01-22-08, 19:29

Hola TG,

Not me. I'll be there in March, not April.

But, the place I booked can be seen here:

http://casaparticularcuba.org/viewproperty.asp?code=HAV335

Maybe that'll work or this group will work with you. I was VERY clear that I wanted to bring female guests to the apartment, and they were cool with it. In fact, my first choice was a no-go because they said the owner would not allow guests there.

Good luck,

Dolphin

Fellas,

Som jerk-off (hope it's not you, Dolphin? :-) has booked my favourite casa in Vedado in April, so I need to find a similar casa.

Requirements:

- Location: Vedado close to 23, L and Malecon or Centro on the Malecón or perhaps Habana Vieja (but never seen a good, independent casa there)

- Totally independent. Prefer apartment over room/studio. Seperate entrance and owners who don't hazzle about chicas.

- Balcony, telephone and clean as hell.

Any tips?

(In case you don't want everybody to know about your 'secret' casa so that it is booked everytime you're in Havana, please PM me)

El Rey De Pollo

01-22-08, 22:41

Dolphin,

I was going to PM you something coincidental about this casa, but you have chosen not to receive PM's?

TG

Dolphin2007

01-22-08, 23:01

Tg,

I am not a subscriber, so I believe I can't receive PMs.

I hope you are not going to say it will be a bad casa. Rather, I hope you have good things / good memories of it. I have these feelings of dread that I'll try to bring a chica back and they'll give me crap about it. But, we'll see. It is anything like that?

Dolphin

Dolphin,

I was going to PM you something coincidental about this casa, but you have chosen not to receive PM's?

TG===============================================

Hi Dolphin2007,

I am confident that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

Come on dude, a forum subscription is less than 50 cents a week.

Thanks,

Jackson

Fido Dido

01-23-08, 00:15

Dolphin,

I was going to PM you something coincidental about this casa, but you have chosen not to receive PM's?

TG
Please let us enjoy what happened

La Isla

01-23-08, 04:31

The problem is not if they are "cool" or not, it's whether they require girls carnet info to be written in the "book". If so, no self-respecting girl (or smart jinitera) will step in the place. Better check if they require guests to be signed in or not.....

I was VERY clear that I wanted to bring female guests to the apartment, and they were cool with it.

El Rey De Pollo

01-23-08, 13:15

Dolphin,

I agree with Jackson: sign up. It will be worth it. Some of the best tips you'll receive on these boards are through PM's. And the guy is doing a hell of a job, so it's really only fair.

Send me a PM when you have signed up.

Fido Dido: You're not missing out, that's a promise. A few things are just better handled in private. I am sure you agree.

Dolphin2007

01-23-08, 16:25

Wow! Razzing from jefe Jackson is getting me ready for the atmosphere of Cuba. Gracias hermano grande.

So I subscribed... I think it'll take a day to get activated, but then I'm open for PMs etc. TG, I'll PM you once it is activated. AND, anyone else with suggestions can feel free to PM me.

Gracias para su ayuda,

Dolphin2007

Dolphin,

I agree with Jackson: sign up. It will be worth it. Some of the best tips you'll receive on these boards are through PM's. And the guy is doing a hell of a job, so it's really only fair.

Send me a PM when you have signed up.

Fido Dido: You're not missing out, that's a promise. A few things are just better handled in private. I am sure you agree.

BeersTerry

01-23-08, 16:48

The issue of carnets is this,

Officially
If the chica visits, the casa owner is responsible for registering her. If he gets caught not registering, then it might cost him a $500 fine. You might work out a deal with the casa owner where he gets the carnet but does not register it. He gets protection and it also makes the chica think twice about stealing stuff (yours and the casas) as she cannot get out without her carnet.

The other issue, is that the chica does not want to be registered. If she is registered with two extranjeros, she is a puta and eligible for residency in the crowbar motel.

Keep your shit locked up in a suitcase or something.

El Cubanito

01-23-08, 20:43

There are some casa owners that will hold the carne and not register the girls in the book. In the casa that I stayed at in Miramar, the owner was pretty cool with me. He would not register the girls as long as she was out by no later than 7:00 AM in the morning. I always got them out by 6:30 AM. The owner always took care of me.

El Cubanito

Juan Gonzalez

01-24-08, 01:54

So I can't rent when I go to Cuba.

La Isla

01-24-08, 04:18

Beersterry and El Cubanito:
You are both correct. There ARE many casas that will give you the keys to the house and don't care about the girls. These are the types of places you want. I have two that I use all the time. However, you need to be diligent that:
1. You personally check her carnet (and use common sense indicators) that she is of age.
2. You keep your stuff locked up (no reason to entice someone poor to steal)
3. You can communicate enough in Spanish so that you are sure that you don't have psycho-chica on your hands. That includes spending time with her to get to know her, being totally clear on the services you expect and the payoff she expects before you get in the room.

El Cubanito

01-24-08, 18:10

He has spell it all on what to do. The Casa is between 1 and 3rd avenue in Miramar section of Havana. The house is right acroos the street from a Dollar store. What the onwers have done is that they give you the casa, folks this si not a room it a whole part of their home, which they have isolated from the rest of their house. The casa comes with a Kitchen, Livingroom, Bath room and a Huge Bedroom. When I was there in June 2005, the cost was 45 CUC a day. Now you can bring in and out anybdoy you want. You can have somebody sleep over as long as you get them out by 7:00 AM.

Guys, I have been reluctant to give out adddress because 4 years ago I gave an Address and the guys turn out to be big A*&holes. They ruin the relationship I had with the casa owners, becuase the folks lost their Casa License. I felt terrible for the people.

If you are going to use it be good remember this is their sole source of income.

BeersTerry

01-25-08, 17:39

I had the same problem. The guy that owned the casa would have gotten fucked if he had not been taking care of the inspector.

The biggest sources of information is from the neighbours. Just be discreet.

I was sitting on the roof a place when a police raid happened in a building across the street. An extranjero was staying in an illegal casa. The cops were there for about 6 hours.

Amocuba

01-25-08, 17:58

So I can't rent when I go to Cuba.

Juan, tried to send you a PM with the info you requested but you can't receive PM's. Join ISG and send me a PM and I will be happy to share some info with you.

WeaverWorld

01-30-08, 13:54

BeersTerry

01-30-08, 21:28

Here is a start

www.casaparticular.info

Check Nash travel website for cars and prices. They have an incosnsistent reputation for service but the info is good

Dran Reb

01-30-08, 23:18

For car rental I recommend vacacionartravel. They have a good reputation. I have used them 6 times for car rental.

http://vacacionartravel.com/SearchCars.aspx

La Isla

01-31-08, 03:57

They want $187 + $10 a day insurance for a Hyundai Atos or similar. So $187 + 30= $217 / 3 days = $72 a day.
Nash travel has the same deal for $55 a day. Difference= $52. That'll get you one cute Cubana for the night.... http://www.nashtravel.com/carrental.html

For car rental I recommend vacacionartravel. They have a good reputation. I have used them 6 times for car rental.

http://vacacionartravel.com/SearchCars.aspx

Cuba Tourist

01-31-08, 04:05

I had a bad experience with Nash Travel.

BeersTerry

01-31-08, 15:00

holy fuck, just go and rent a car while there as needed. There are lots of car rental agencies. About 7 of them in Vedado. Use the Nash prices as a guide.

El Cubanito

01-31-08, 15:18

Hi,

I am travelling to Cuba during next week but realise after reading here that I am in dire need of some more information.

Does anyone have good tips and pointers to accomodation? I have checked the hotels but they are extremely expensive, at least as I can find out. How do I get a good room, or house in Havana?

I wanted to do some modest amount of travelling and therefor need a car, I am quite convinced that Avis or Hertz is not represented so pointers on where to get one and how much they would be.

I am not a native spanish speaker, my knowledge is limited to basic spanish and from what I can see on the boards this is a disadvantage for me, so I was wondering of places to be and places to avoid.

Send PM if you don't want to get the information public, thanks.

As far as Accomodation I could recommend a couple. But here is one that will not let you down. The owner name is lady by the name of Tomasa. The adrress is 558 Calle C, between 23 and 25, Vedado. She has two huge room with it own private bath. The place is very nice place to stay and the lady is a great lady. If she does not have room she will personally take you to another casa that will have room.

Car rental: The only place I rent from is Rex Car Rental (http://www.rex-rentacar.com/). I know that there rental is a little more but the car are worth it. Tell them you will be picking up the car from the Boyero Office and ask for Enesto, mention me and he will hook you with the best car in the yard. The Boyeros office is 5 minutes via taxi from The Jose Marti International Airport.

Chica Pick up: If you rent a car your Dick will not know what to do with all the pussy action is going to get.

Good luck with your travel next week.

El Cubanito

Barabbas2

01-31-08, 22:26

I had a bad experience with Nash Travel.I, also, have had bad experiences with Nash Travel. My friends and I have used them many times. The Russian boss is all about making money and not keeping his word. They are a necessary evil only if you need a hotel.

Mario Rossi 51

02-02-08, 11:16

Hi to everybody. I'm new here.

Any notices about a very beautiful girl in Havana, named Yohanna?

Thanks for any notice

El Cubanito

02-14-08, 17:56

Yeah,

I know where she lives, which one? Do you know how many Yohanna I have met in the number of times I have gone to Cuba?

The question is where did you meet this girl? Where does she say is she from? If she told you the truth.

How does she look? Blonde, Mulatta, Black, Skinny, Tall, short??

How does hse look.

Dolphin2007

02-14-08, 20:06

Vedado Fun

02-15-08, 15:48

As an American, I can't use credit cards in Cuba. That means that I have to bring all my cash with me for 10 days. What is the best way to carry this/ store this? I hate to carry so much cash with me, but I don't know how happy I am about leaving it in the room either. What are your thoughts on this? Would it be safe in my casa particular?

Also, does it matter what currency I exchange my US $ to before I get there (Euros vs Pounds vs Canadian $, etc)? I thought a casa particular owner emailed me that Pounds gets a better exchange rate than Euros.

Thoughts and advice?

Thanks,

Dolphin
I always bring cash with me. Take 100 dollar bills only and make sure they are in good condition or the banks won't exchange them. I exchange a small amount at the airport when I arrive and then exchange more as I need it at a bank. I only carry a very small amount of cash with me when walking around.
I keep my cash locked up in a suitcase at my casa and take a little out as I need it. I stay at the same casa all the time and have never had a problem. I trust my casa owner because I have stayed with her many times but I don't trust anyone else so I keep all my important stuff like laptop, camera gear and electronics locked in my suticases at all times. If you are planning to have vistors in your room lock up everything. Do not give anyone the opportunity to disappoint you.

El Cubanito

02-15-08, 17:05

I always bring cash with me. Take 100 dollar bills only and make sure they are in good condition or the banks won't exchange them. I exchange a small amount at the airport when I arrive and then exchange more as I need it at a bank. I only carry a very small amount of cash with me when walking around.
I keep my cash locked up in a suitcase at my casa and take a little out as I need it. I stay at the same casa all the time and have never had a problem. I trust my casa owner because I have stayed with her many times but I don't trust anyone else so I keep all my important stuff like laptop, camera gear and electronics locked in my suticases at all times. If you are planning to have vistors in your room lock up everything. Do not give anyone the opportunity to disappoint you.

Depending when you are leaving you may get yourself a Duales card. I personally send 80% pf my spending money in Cuba via Duales. The process quite simple and it is one of the most reliable compnaies as to sending money to Cuba for a relative, friend or even yourself (in our case). Here is the link to Duales: http://duales.com/eng/Content/home.asp

What VedadoFun said about having $100 dollars a day for spending money is correct. If you do not feel confortable with Duales, PM me and I will give you the name and address of a couple of Houses that are very, very trustworthy.

When are you leaving?

Dolphin2007

02-15-08, 17:46

Thanks for the advice Cubanito.

I went to their website, and I see that Duales skims 20% off the top. So, if I send $1000, I'll only see $800. I think I rather carry the big bills.

I'm leaving the first week in March. It'll be my first time there, and everybody here has been extremely helpful!!

Cuidate,

Dolphin

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Depending when you are leaving you may get yourself a Duales card. I personally send 80% pf my spending money in Cuba via Duales. The process quite simple and it is one of the most reliable compnaies as to sending money to Cuba for a relative, friend or even yourself (in our case). Here is the link to Duales: http://duales.com/eng/Content/home.asp

What VedadoFun said about having $100 dollars a day for spending money is correct. If you do not feel confortable with Duales, PM me and I will give you the name and address of a couple of Houses that are very, very trustworthy.

When are you leaving?

Cubiche

02-16-08, 07:40

Dolphin,
Be advise that in in Cuba since about 2002, there is a 10% tax(penalty) on the US dollar. No other currency is "taxed." Prior to converting to CUC, the $1000 will be "taxed" 10% and then exchanged on the current rate at the time. That means that the 1000 becomes 900 USD then exchanged to CUC. At last week's rate, it would give you about 803 CUC.
You will get more for the "buck" if you buy another currency prior and exchange that. It takes a little effort on your part but for me I always find it beneficial. On my last trip, (Dec 07), an original 1000 USD convert to Canadian Dollars, netted 830 CUC. While 27 CUC is not much, multiply that by 4, it becomes an additional 108 CUC!!!

Dolphin2007

02-16-08, 09:03

Thanks Cubiche,

Now I understand why my casa owner said to exchange to Euros or Pounds before I arrive. I'll definitely do that. I have to go to the bank anyway to get the large sum of $, so I'll do the exchange then. I'll check for the best exchange rate at the time to decide which one to pick.

Thanks!

Dolphin

Dolphin,

Be advise that in in Cuba since about 2002, there is a 10% tax (penalty) on the US dollar. No other currency is "taxed. " Prior to converting to CUC, the $1000 will be "taxed" 10% and then exchanged on the current rate at the time. That means that the 1000 becomes 900 USD then exchanged to CUC. At last week's rate, it would give you about 803 CUC.

You will get more for the "buck" if you buy another currency prior and exchange that. It takes a little effort on your part but for me I always find it beneficial. On my last trip, (Dec 07), an original 1000 USD convert to Canadian Dollars, netted 830 CUC. While 27 CUC is not much, multiply that by 4, it becomes an additional 108 CUC!

BeersTerry

02-16-08, 16:42

You just gotta find a place that does'nt gouge you for the exchange. The Canadian dollar is about par with the U$D.

Vedado Fun

02-17-08, 23:50

Just back from Havana a few days ago. Still a pretty good place for girls but only if you've been there before and know where to look. There were not many easy pickings in the street. I only walked along the Malecon one night and never met anyone. Friday and Saturday nights along La Rampa are still pretty good but not like it used to be. I met a few girls in the open air bar across from Coppelia on 23rd. Other than that I enlisted the help of a Cuban buddy to do the hunting for me since I was quite busy doing other things. He served me very well. I managed to meet 6 hot girls in 8 days. A couple of them were so hot I kept them for 2 nights.
If you are a first timer to Havana you may be very disappointed.

Bravo

02-18-08, 22:53

Vedado Fun

02-18-08, 23:44

Is La Rampa the nickname for a street? One night I was in downtown Havana and I asked 2 cab drivers where "La Rampa" was and they both gave me blank looks. I then asked a door man at a hotel and he didnt know what I was talking about eirher.
La Rampa is really 23rd street from the Malecon up to "G" or Avenida de los Presidentes as far as I know. You will see signs along this area that say La Rampa. I would say this is one of the main areas for action in the Vedadao area of Havana. I always stay in this area and do most of my hunting in this area. It's worked out well for me.

Dolphin2007

02-20-08, 22:31

La Isla

02-21-08, 04:29

Is La Rampa the nickname for a street? One night I was in downtown Havana and I asked 2 cab drivers where "La Rampa" was and they both gave me blank looks. I then asked a door man at a hotel and he didnt know what I was talking about eirher.

Were you asking Cubans or Tourists? hahaha
Seriously, thats like living in New York and having never heard of Broadway.

El Grande

02-21-08, 18:48

Hi All,

I was reading a book that said that I should bring my own condoms, water bottle, toilet paper and some other misc supplies. Is that true that I'd have a difficult time getting condoms there? Also, are there any other things that perhaps are not typically packed for trips that I should definitely pack for Cuba?

Thanks!

Dolphin

Condoms: yes. its hard to find any over there and most are made in China (small and insecure)

Water bottle: no way. You can buy water in every store

Toilet paper: Might be a good idea, Cuban TP is quite thin, but just take 2 or 3 papers, then you'll be fine. AND VERY IMPORTANT: do not throw the TP into the toilet. there are TP baskets next to every tiolet. Cuban canalizations are from the 50 or older and do not have enough undertow. (If you do not believe me you'll have to clean your bath)
Bring your own medicaments.

Most things can be bought in stores. just look around long enough till you find it. And mostly its 3.class material.
Bring some lil perfumes, soaps etc. as gifts for the chicas.

Pepe17

02-22-08, 12:52

I was living in cuba for 10 yrs, and currently visiting this country 2 or 3 times a year.I disagree with you about a toilet paper.The reason why they put a toilet paper on the basket is not a 50 yrs old canalization, it is a custom they have for long time as they always used a newspaper instead, which is more harder and blocks the toilets.Myself I always used tp and flash it and all gone without a problem.

Condoms: yes. its hard to find any over there and most are made in China (small and insecure)

Water bottle: no way. You can buy water in every store

Toilet paper: Might be a good idea, Cuban TP is quite thin, but just take 2 or 3 papers, then you'll be fine. AND VERY IMPORTANT: do not throw the TP into the toilet. there are TP baskets next to every tiolet. Cuban canalizations are from the 50 or older and do not have enough undertow. (If you do not believe me you'll have to clean your bath)
Bring your own medicaments.

Most things can be bought in stores. just look around long enough till you find it. And mostly its 3.class material.
Bring some lil perfumes, soaps etc. as gifts for the chicas.

BeersTerry

02-22-08, 22:01

The toilet paper is a bit rough but o.k.. I bring my own only as a precaution as sometimes you just can't buy any in the stores.

I flush when I am in upper floors as I expect gravity to help out. The Cuban tanks also don't have the flushing power that North Americans are used to. Then again, that is if you have water.

El Grande

02-23-08, 01:07

Member #4167

02-23-08, 17:58

Will be in Habana from late Feb - mid-late March - already have an apartment with a private entrance - SWEET DEAL. I am assuming that I can bring chicas back there as I please.

Question 1: The apt mgr says I have to register each chica that I bring to the room. I dont want to get the chicas in trouble by having their name entered in some govt database. Can I get away with NOT registering them? or should I play by the rules?

Question for Cubaphiles: How best to change money? Is there a cheaper way to do convert to CUC ? are street money-changers recommended (Are they legal?)

Also - what about the crime? Any chance of being mugged? Should I leave my jewelry at home (in my home country that is?)

Does anyone know of a good day charter of a fishing boat in habana?

Any other suggestions/advice/criticisms?

Anyone want to share room expenses or partner up please let me know.

Thanks

Water Boy

DriedUp

02-24-08, 03:23

A. I usually don’t rent any legal house, especially one where the girl has to be registered. You can safely assume that a house owner who insists on registering the girls does not want you having girls there in the first place. The owner won’t be letting you bring a stream of them, one after the other. If they do, it will be with incredible reluctance. It is easy to find a place to fuck. Any person on the street, an old lady sitting in front of her door. Ask if she knows a place where you can go with your friend for a couple of hours. You pay them, and done.

I have been there three times. I speak Spanish. So I take a huge risk and stay in illegal houses far from the touristy sections. I have been mugged twice, but defended myself both times. I am small, but scrappy.

But renting illegal or legal has its good and bad. What you save in money sometimes you gain in aggravation. In legal casas privacy is assured. In illegal, they seem to intrude on you so much as if you are family. It can be very annoying. Intrude on you, time, possessions.

I found this service called TransCard. Based in Canada, it gives you the best exchange rate, as far as I have researched and is the safest way to have money. You send them the amount you want to exchange. So you have to figure out how much you expect to spend. They give you your account number, and you land in Havana. At a certain bank in Miramar, you go in, are given your card, plastic with a bar and a number, like a visa credit card. And your money stays in the banking system. Anytime you want money you go in. No fees to withdraw. And it's anywhere on the island. I went to bayamo, and other cities, and was fine. So you hardly ever have wads of money in your room. And I take cheap clothes I will give away anyway. My shoes, my jeans, and come back practically naked, but so warm and fuzzy.

Compared to all Latin America, to the world, I felt very safe. At night and during the day. Walking alone in isolated places. And it seemed to me, the two times I was mugged, and they failed, that they don’t have their heart in it. I can be way off. I only speak from my personal experience. But people don't steal for sport anywhere, it's desperation. And that desperation is just not in them. With free medicine, clean, your health is your wealth.

If you want me to expand on what I wrote or have other questions, let me know. PM me.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

BeersTerry

02-24-08, 16:59

Having wandered around South America a little and other Carribean Islands, I concur that Cuba is way safer.

Europe is safe too except they are way better at scamming and have access to good drugs that they can slip into your drink. You wake up naked with no money.

El Rey De Pollo

02-24-08, 17:20

I am not American, so I don't have the same exchange problems, but I am not sure I would go through all that trouble. Why not just exchange your money to Can $ or EURO's before you leave?

Leave your gold at home. No reason to tempt people - and no reason to rub their poverty in their faces.

Have a great trip. Let us know how it was.

Member #4167

02-24-08, 23:13

Thanks everyone for their advice.

I'll be in Cuba three weeks. At first I thought I was just going to hang in Havana. But that's a long time to stay there. I'd really like to see the south of the island. I'll probably do two weeks in Havana and 1 week in Cienfuegos as Cienfuegos is on the water where there is some interesting diving.

Here is my dilemna. Having been to Cuba and rented a Casa particular. I am aware of the snoopy owners who invade your privacy or try to share your "private apartment". I have also had a bad experience with landlady letting me let only one chica in for my whole visit. Not cool. So I am VERY SCEPTICAL ABOUT paying in advance for a room. I am very leery of Casa particulars "bait and switch" tactics.

Question 1: What is the way business is done there? Is it normal to pay in advance for one week? If you want a room for two weeks in advance. Do you have to pay the whole two weeks in advance to make sure it is yours?

Member #4167

02-24-08, 23:19

I am in a legal casa. I get the assurance of the owner that I can bring in whomever I want as long I register her. PLus. Since it is a private casa. I can pretty much bring in girls undetected (I hope)

Many people here say that illegal casas are the only way to go to get girls in. Is that true?

Last time I was there it was hard to find a casa that would allow multiple girls in.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Dolphin2007

02-25-08, 20:37

So, if I pick up a pro and pay XX amount of $, is that for a time period or for # of times I cum or what?

In the US, you can pay somebody $200 for a session, but if you cum in 10 minutes, it is not unusual for the woman to start getting dressed at minute 11, even if you have a few more rounds in you. How do things work in Cuba? What is a typical expectation from a pro? Any advice?

I'm hoping for non-pros. But who knows what'll happen.

Dran Reb

02-26-08, 01:37

Waterboy - Like you said, bring in the girls undetected, late at night. No one has to know anything. Personally I don't think they want to know anything. Why else would they give you a private entrance. If they see the girl well then they have no choice but to register her, or she can just leave. I wouldn't pay 2 or even 1 week in advance. Pay as you go, 1 or 2 days in advance. This is normal. I read on other regular Cuba forums that Cienfuegos is very strict when it comes to chicas.

El Cubanito

02-26-08, 15:10

Get a hold of me I will tell you of good casa where you can bring the chicas in late at night and then have them out by 6:30 to 7:00 AM and everything is cool. The casa is in Miramar section of Havana. The price per night is $45 CUC. If the price is ok with you then I will email you info. The owners are super cool people. I have stayed in there house for 2 to 3 weeks at a time and brought over a whole bunch of girls. They are cools with the girls as long as the girls do not cause a scene, they are out by 7:00 AM and you make them sure they do not steal anything from the room. If the girls stays past 7:00 AM, then they will put her on the books. I had a girl that I like her ass alot so I saw her multiple times, so she was put in the books. But I brought a whole alot of others and they took care of me.

BeersTerry

02-26-08, 16:29

Never ever pay up front. If they ask for the money up front, find another casa as it can only get bad from there. Once they have the money you are powerless if service goes to shit.

I don't know why everyone is so concerned about sex at night. Much less hassle banging them during the day. That way you are much more relaxed going out at night and don't care as much if you get laid or not.

In Cuba there are many rules but Cubans are willing to break the rules given the environment (if there is a crackdown or not), how nosey their neighbours are, how well they know the police and other officials, and how well they know you. I know a casa owner that stayed up until the guest left before he went to sleep. Not that he was nosey, but he needed the money and did'nt want to get robbed by the chica (he did'nt want the carnet) and would be ready to hustle her out the back door if anyone visited.

El Cubanito

02-26-08, 16:57

Never, ever pay upfront. If they ask to pay and you want to stay at the place. Then say that you will pay by the day. On the norm what most casa owners do if you have been there a week. Then you pay for that week if you have not pay upfront. I think this is fair for both.

Zenguy69

03-04-08, 16:58

Hello Gents,

I was wondering if there is a change in the p4p environment now that Fidel is gone and Raul has taken his place. 2000 was the last time I was in Cuba and it was fantastic, but it based on the postings here and what I hear from others it seems to have degraded substantially.

Can anyone speak to the overall climate of the people? Also are any of the major "dance clubs" still operating?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanx

Questner

03-05-08, 04:45

I usually avoid any Latin American country for the period of Easter. But with cheap airfares it is really tempting. Anyone knows if clubs are closed for Semana Santa in Havana?

Doc Bill

03-07-08, 09:00

i decided after my last trip two years ago that i wouldn’t be going to cuba again in the foreseeable future. it was just too depressing – nothing works, everything is falling apart, and the agony of the cuban people, their day to day living, while understandable, is hard to tolerate on a constant basis. that and fidel’s new anti-tourism efforts, such as charging people 20% of all the money they bring into cuba, made that decision easy.

so why did i go now? i guess you could call it unfinished business. i needed to resolve my feelings about a relationship i had there 8 years ago. when you don’t see someone for 6 years and they still occupy a significant portion of your head, it’s time to look for some resolution. and i needed to see her to do that. i also have some very dear friends in havana that i missed. and i suppose it’s also that once cuba gets under your skin there is always a pull to go back. in spite of things rather than because of them nowadays, unfortunately.

i went under a religious license. since i did participate several years ago in a santeria initiation ceremony it happens to be a true reason. however the terms of the license are that i spend 24/7 doing religious things, and you already know that that didn’t happen, nor was that my reason for going. but wtf, it got me there.

from my very first trip, 12 trips ago, i have always felt upon landing at jose marti airport in havana that i was arriving home. i don’t know why, i just do. and that was even before i knew the place well enough to actually feel at home there, to walk the streets in such a familiar way that people stopped thinking i was a tourist.

well i report to you that the situation has deteriorated and continues to do so. people are more angry, depressed and desperate than ever. during the “special period,” when the soviet union left fidel high and dry, people had money but there was nothing to buy with it. nada. not even food. one day, and i kid you not, all the cats in havana disappeared. now, it’s the inverse: there are lots of things, but no money with which to buy them. if you think about this for just a minute it is easy to see how this is even worse. the people are tormented on a daily basis seeing things in store windows, seeing food and clothing that they cannot buy.

why is it worse? my opinion is that it’s the decline in tourism and tourist dollars, most of which went directly into the hands of the cuban people. with newfound oil reserves, hugo chavez and china cuba no longer needs the dinero from tourism, which it always accepted reluctantly anyway. now tourism is actively discouraged. i mentioned above the 20% fee on money. in addition, police are cracking down very heavily on cubans associating with foreigners. cuban women being with tourists are getting, no questions asked, put into “re-education camps” for 2-6 years. yes, i said years. in the past i couldn’t walk ten feet without someone wanting to strike up a conversation with me (for better or worse), and this time no one would approach me, nor would they respond if i tried to talk to them – i just got a look that seemed to say “i’d really love to, but i just can’t!” it was so different, and for the first time in my 12 visits to cuba i felt lonely there.

meanwhile the infrastructure is crumbling fast. i didn’t see any construction work on the decaying buildings and roads either. i saw a lot of cosmetic work being done on tourist hotels, though, and other places that tourists visit.

why doesn’t cuba want tourism? because the last think fidel wants is foreigners coming in and giving “dangerous” ideas to cubans – ideas like freedom, that sort of thing.

do you want to know the truth about the cuban medical system? it sucks, unless of course you are a foreigner seeking treatment in cuba. people are desperate for medications. doctors refuse to see them without being bribed. if you want an ambulance you better be prepared to bribe the drivers. no money? shit outta luck. sick? go wait 6 hours at a clinic and get a prescription for something that you could never fill, even if you had the money. all this while foreigners get superb medical care, and get to walk wherever they want, and get to stay in hotels built by people that aren’t allowed near them.

i thought that my amiga was exaggerating or being paranoid when she told me before the trip that we could not be seen together in public, that if a police officer stopped us it would mean prison for her and the end of her career (she’s a physiotherapist), not to mention the effects that would have on her 4 year-old daughter. but i asked around and it’s true. i saw with my own eyes police detaining every woman coming out of a club and questioning them. and for my friend there was also the problem of her being in havana in the first place. cubans are not allowed to travel without permission and a damn good reason – and she lives 400 miles away, in guantanamo.

so, as it was, we couldn’t go anywhere together. when going to a friend’s house we had to take separate cabs. the only places we could be together were secretly in people’s homes. there was so much i wanted to do with her and couldn’t. she told me to go out, enjoy myself, but you just don’t leave alone in a room a woman who risked her freedom and traveled for two days just to see you.

in spite of the above, i did manage to enjoy myself. the trip was fun and meaningful for me. i had fun thanks to mi amiga and to my many cuban friendships that i have built over the years. i finally understood the hatred that most cubans feel toward fidel castro. i understood it because i now feel it myself. i was able to resolve what i needed to resolve with her. and i won’t be going back anytime in the foreseeable future. but i guess i said that before, didn’t i?

your man in havana.
december 2007

BeersTerry

03-07-08, 22:19

The youth are angry at the lack of opportunity. They can be violent too.
How was the enforcement out of the tourist areas, Doc ?

Most of the Cuban doctors are in Venezuela. Part of the oil for medicine deal. They are even paying for a new refinery down near Cienfuegoes (I think it is there). The result is crappy/untrained doctors for the Cubans.

Trafalgar2

03-08-08, 00:28

first of all i want to thank doc bill for his report about his recent trip to havanna. while i find some of the things he writes quite true (situation has gotten worse over the years, everthing falling apart, day to day living), i can not confirm some other aspects of the report. beersterry is right, "youth are angry at the lack of opportunity", but this is true for "developped" countries like france or denmark as well. and absolutely, a lot of doctors want to go for a mission abroad, because they earn good money and it is the easiest way to bring electronic equipment to cuba without having to pay for it when entering the country. selling the stuff at high prices permits them to earn even more, and they recently have been given the permission to buy cars, so this is quite a temptation for any cuban doctor.

i've been to cuba several times during the last few years and my last visit (up to now) was from mid november to mid december 2007. i have many friends in different areas and of different social levels, but i hardly could find anybody who feels hatred for fidel. just on the contrary, while most are fed up with the system and the bad economic situation, people still admire and some even love fidel (and i'm not talking about what they say in public places but while you're talking to them on a one-to-one basis). people who do hate fidel are mostly "miami"-cubans or people influenced by them. so what?

doc bill finds, people are being tormented "seeing things in store windows, seeing food and clothing that they cannot buy". okay, no doubt, that's true (especially if you consider tv "canal 11" as much as a torture as i do. btw they are transmitting from the states, and recently seem to have raised their transmission power a lot, so now it can be received in many places in and around havanna without additional antenna). anyway, the other day at home in my country i as well was "tormented" with seeing an ad of a nice car, a jaguar, which i cannot buy. in the street i saw two porsche and a ferrari. in the shopping a flatscreen tv and a ps3 and a new pc and on my way home the announcement of the all new lobster menu in a local restaurant, and, and, and. please don't misunderstand me: i well see the misery in cuba. but concerning things people can't buy, most americans and europeans aren't any better off than cubans. and. honestly. if i walk the streets in my. rather wealthy. city, i won't see as many people wearing adidas, puma or nike sneakers as i see in havanna.

i actually remember my ex-novia asking me to bring her some "red puma sneakers" the next time i would come to see her. i just could not believe this, first because i don't have any (anyway i don't need or even want any), second because there were too many things she would have really needed. so that was when i invented a proverb: "find a yuma, get your puma! ". and. sad, but true. that's what i found out over the years: people are much more interested in consumption of "high class" goods, no matter the quality, as long as they are "de marca", than in something abstract like freedom.

actually i never ever heard any cuban say "i want freedom", but many told me they wanted a car, a dvd-player, a cell-phone, "cosas de marca" in general, at least everything everybody else in the world owns as well. and the ones who want more liberty, want the liberty to travel to other countries without even knowing that there is maybe no more than a handful of countries where a cuban can go without need for a visa. because the plain truth is: almost any cuban can have a passport (i had my ex-novia pick one for around 100 cuc, because i found it easier to travel around cuba with her like that; when she had it, we found it easy to stay in a legal casa in trinidad being registered together, without any questions asked). the problem is, where could a cuban go with his passport, granted he has money and the permission to leave the country?

another thing i did not see was "the 20% fee on money". i changed 100 euro and got more or less what you can find on any official source like the internet page of banco central de cuba http://www.bc. gov. cu/english/exchange_rate. asp (i guess it was something around 132 cuc at that time, right now it would be 142 cuc). okay if you bring us-dollars, for some really long time now they have been charging a 10% commission, as well as on credit card withdrawels. but why would anyone do that? a few years ago i would take dollars with me when i went to cuba, nowadays carry euro, swiss francs, canadian dollar and you get more cuc for your money. again: i can see the fact that the "value" of the cuc is far from what you get. but isn't this every countrys own choice to decide how much of their money they give you four your money?

as for the medical system i can tell, that my actual "novia" got a real problem with an aching tooth at 2 in the morning. so we went walking together to the policlinico two blocks from our casa particular in centro havanna, waited there for maybe 20 minutes together with 6 or 7 other persons having some kind of medical problem, until she got her treatment (without paying anything of course) and back we went without being bothered or even looked at by the police officer outside of the policlinico (of course she was registered with me, and if she is written in the official book, which is given to immigration every day or so, her name is officially known, so why would she be afraid that police in the street could harm her more than they usually do, because many of them are "abusadores"? ).

and i doubt there is a law saying cubans are not allowed to travel without permission. at least i have been travelling (without any permission) with several girls, but: none of them was a pro, and none of them was married (officially). my actual girl got a "carta de advertencia" for being with me, this was at the time when we were getting to know each other, because a police officer thought, with my girls function in the system (which i should not mention here) it was not "suitable" for her to be with a foreigner. the next day we went together with her aunt to the police station to argue about it, and luckily they deleted it (i don't want her to have problems because of me). anyway, as her family knows me, her boss knows me, the relationship is "socially accepted" what can be important, when it comes to arguing with police.

since then we never again had any real problem with police, and we really travelled a lot and always walk together. this time we were controlled once, in havanna, while driving with the rent car, but i guess this was because she looks like 18 while she is 21, or because the officers thought i had picked her up in the street. after the short control of (the copy of) my passport and her carnet the police officer helped me with an information i needed and with a kind "disculpa la molestia! " wished us a good night. the other times i was stopped by police were for speeding or stuff like this and they never even asked for her id. maybe we were just lucky, because i as well noticed that people in the streets didn't approach me as much as the other times i was there. but anyway i received plenty nice smiles and even had kisses thrown at me from girls passing by. but: i do not suggest at all to wander around with a chick you picked up a few hours ago, because one thing for sure: if she has had three cartas de advertencia for being with (different) foreigners, she will be taken to jail, just like doc bill said, so you better know something about a girl before you bring her into a situation like that. okay, if she is a pro, she sure will take care of herself, maybe bribing police, or not being seen with you.

btw, an italian guy who was waiting in the policlinico as well with a tooth problem, got his treatment for the same price as my cubana: 0 cuc. i don't know if it was a big deal, i just asked him if it helped and what he payed, so maybe it was just an injection or so. and as well a cuban friend of mine, 60 years of age, who had to be taken to the hospital by emergency, got operated on his heart, stayed in intensive treatment for one week, and did not pay one single peso. well, i have to confess, the conditions in the medical centers for cubans are not as we would expect them to be, and even my friend had somebody bring him food every day, and he had a fan brought to him from his home, because there was no aircondition, of course, but the operation was done state of the art.

sorry for my lengthy comment, i could go on like this for pages, but i don't want to have anybody fall asleep over my writings. please understand, i am not a fanatic cuba-lover, i just recommend to see light and shadow, and there is plenty of both. just to mention it, if i wanted to spend just a few days or weeks of fun with some horny chicks, without stress or so, i would not go to cuba, i would suggest brazil or the dominican republic (which i both like a lot) if you are interested in latinamerica and latinas just like me (what i guess if you have read my comment so far). any further comments or questions are welcome.

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El Rey De Pollo

03-08-08, 17:47

Trafalgar,

Thanks for the report. Very balanced and informative. Much appreciated since I am heading back to Cuba soon and have been a little worried by some recent reports. I hope and trust that you are right and that things have not gotten as bad as one could start thinking - at least not since my last visit a year ago.

BeersTerry

03-08-08, 18:16

Cuba is getting worse BUT that is compared to what it used to be. The shit you pull and get away with in Cuba you would not attempt in other latin countries. That said, there is alot of petty crime, stuff that happens at dusk and later. Guys will rip your chain off and run. Ask you what time it is, and when you are looking down at your watch, snatch something and run.

I too have travelled around Cuba with unmarried women with no problems. Once when I got pulled over, one of the girls started yelling at the cop. The cop let us go. My friend said the cop only wanted us to bribe him, which we did'nt do. Cops can spot a jinitera from a mile away, that you have to be careful of. One of the problems is that they dress/look like guajiras.

Sexmetv

03-09-08, 20:58

I've been to Cuba several times during the last few years and my last visit (up to now) was from mid November to mid December 2007. I have many friends in different areas and of different social levels, but I hardly could find anybody who feels hatred for Fidel. Just on the contrary, while most are fed up with the system and the bad economic situation, people still admire and some even LOVE Fidel (and I'm not talking about what they say in public places but while you're talking to them on a one-to-one basis). People who DO hate Fidel are mostly "Miami"-Cubans or people influenced by them. So what?

I have to agree with Trafalgar, I have been to Havana about 8 times in the Last year and a half (only a 3 hr flight from Canada) and after many discussions with a good number of folks in Havana (I typically stay with a friend of mine and his family and as anyone who goes to Cuba knows, the living area of one's house is ALWAYS open for friends/family to drop in and share a bottle of rum) I agree that the idea that there is hatred for Fidel is at best a bit of a stretch, talk to some Venezuelans about Chavez and you'll see passion and hatred (indeed as Trafalagar as stated there is some admiration), that said, there is also a lot frustration for sure, but it's not really for materialistic things (as Trafalgar stated, we all want more), from my discussions it was the feeling of being treated as second class citizens in their own country - specifically not being able to move from one city to another without approval and not being able to use bathrooms in hotel or even stay in hotels in their own country -it's these "demeaning" (in quotes because that's the word that was used) things that just drives the folks I spoke with crazy.

That said, if you're planning a trip to "run up" huge numbers of girls you can sleep with, Cuba would not be your first choice, but it is a nice change of pace if you want to meet some great, warm, musical and incredibly charming people in a very safe environment. For me personally, when I want lots of girls I visit Colombia / Venezuela / Rio if I want a nice balance between culture/music and being able to find a great women (or GFE as it's called) I can chill with for the week, I go to Havana, but everyone is different.

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Trafalgar2

03-10-08, 03:07

I really liked Beersterrys comment "Cuba is getting worse BUT that is compared to what it used to be", because it's so true. If you have been to Cuba one year ago like Travelling Gring you will notice a difference (for example not as much movement in the streets / on Malecon, not as many jineteras / hustlers) but it won't be a drama. If it has been let's say 6 or 7 years since your last visit, you could be shocked.

As Sexmetv stated, Cubans sometimes are being treated as second class citizens in their own country. For example I was allowed (or better said: invited) by different security guards at different AI resorts to enter and get me a drink from the bar (usually for free), while my novia had to stay at the (public) beach and wasn't even allowed to use one of the plastic sunchairs.

When at one resort the arrogant security guard who was so proud of his IPOD wanted to send my girl away from the beach, I got a little bit loud and told him some unfriendly things, while my novia would not even dare to say a word. When he recognised he could not impress me with the threat that he would call police if she did not leave, suddenly he changed his behaviour and explained that this was just because of the other tourists on the beach, blablabla.

This shows that most Cubans are so used to obey to anything a guy in uniform tells them, they don't argue, even if it obviously is bs what he says. And of course the system doesn't want Cubans who aren't working in the tourism industry to see the temptations of a buffet full of goods which they never could afford or get for moneda nacional.

I just can repeat what Sexmetv stated: If you're looking for the GFE, Cuba still can be worth a visit, if it's just the mere number of different chicks you're interested in, Rio definitely is the better choice. Personally I found Venezuela a bit disappointing (maybe because the girls there behave so "italian"), so I would not set it on MY list. But seems like Colombia is a country I should get to know.

El Cubanito

03-10-08, 13:53

Hi Guys,

Being a Cuban-American who parents came to the United States in the early 60's, I have a some sight on board "side" of the ocean. I have been going to Cuba now for 10 years. The first time I went to Cuba was in 1998. It was an eye opener. I did not go because of the girls. I went because there was family that I did not know personally. I just knew of them by name. When I arrive everybody would say the same rhetoric, Fidel has us living in these conditions. Fidel does not give us this and that. It was about in my 3rd trip when I finally heard the truth from even my own family as to how they felt about Fidel. They love him. They also hate him. It a love hate relationship, that unless you spent time in Cuba you do not understand. On previous trip I have spent 2 to 3 months at a tme in Cuba so I could understand my own people. In one of my trips I met a man, who really explain everything about Cuba. He was a high ranking official in Cuba, he is now retire and lives very, very well. But he did put everything in perpestice for me and now I understand the system. I am not going to write about he said to me. What I write about is that yes, the Cuban people do love Fidel for what he did in the 50's and 60's. But now what they really want is somebody else to drive the ship (Cuba) to see if economically they can fix the system in Cuba. If any Cuban comes with the rhetoric that I hate Fidel. Ask him these questions:

1. Were you born here? If the answer is yes, then he is giving you bs.
2. If you live outside of Cuba what year did you leave? If he say pre 1980's then he is loaded with bs.

My cousin introduce me to this Jinetero in Havana called Miguel (Yes, I have change the name to proctet the inocent). This guy went to jail for 8 years because he refused to go into the military. In Cuba if you serve time in Jail you are done. Yo do not have a blue ID card (Carne). Instead they give you a white ID card. This will tell any potential employee in Cuba that this guy has serve time in jail and he/she should not be hire. I know, I know what they pay in Cuba is nothing (But at least 10 -20 CUC a month is better than nothing). Well even this guy as pissed off that he is at the system in Cuba. HE would be the first one to take a gun and defend Cuba if he had to and he loves Fidel for what he did in 50's and 60's. This is a guy who hates the system because the only way he make money is from tourism. Or to be more exact from getting things to the tourist that they would need. I mean anything (Girls, Booze, Cigars, sightseeing, anything).

So what does this mean in the gran scheme of thing for our pussy action in Cuba. Just wanted to let you know from what angle is a girl is coming from whn she say she want a Red Puma sneaker and she hate Fidel. She hates Fidel that she has to give up her Pussy to get a Red Puma sneakers, but I bet you she loves Fidel for what he did in the 50's and 60's

Jackson, I know that I took some liberties here, but I just want the guys in this board to know or understand where some of these girls are coming from.

THank you in advance Jackson for not deleting my message.

El Cubanito

BeersTerry

03-10-08, 14:08

Thanks El Cubanito.

Most older Cubans like Fidel for what he did in the 50's and 60s but what about the people born in the 90's and after ? They don't know about any revolution except what they read or are told just like alot of North Americans don't know anything about WWII.

The want of consumer goods by the less fortunate (and everyone else) is universal.

Trafalgar2

03-11-08, 02:24

You really hit the point with your words, and just like you, the first time I went to Cuba I didn't go for the girls. But ever since then I came back for them...

While for a "real" monger Cuba might not be the best place, for somebody who is prepared to spend a little time getting to know the country (with at least some basic spanish knowledge) and who is willing to play the game, it still is a good destination.

BTW, I now remembered a situation when I was going to leave a club in Havana with my novia and the guy at the entrance told us "espera un rato, hay policia afuera". I thought it was because of a crime or something, but might as well be they were questioning girls coming out of the club (though it wasn't a "touristic" place).

Or maybe it was just another scam, so we would have one more drink (the waitress had told my girl, if she made me order Cuba Libre she would get 1 CUC for every drink). Seems I gave the impression I was not only stupid, but greedy as well, so my girl would need some extra money, this gave us both a good laugh; but I am sure most of you know this trick. For the others: don't be surprised if your company is ordering expensive drinks all of a sudden, while usually she just drinks soda. In Pinar del Rio or Matanzas on the other hand we never experienced anything like this (neither scam- nor police-wise), and there we hit the clubs more often than in Havana.

Kalifornication

03-11-08, 03:25

Member #3060

03-19-08, 02:29

Howdy gents,

Just got back from a short stay in Cuba. Was with a non-mongering buddy so I didn't get a chance to sample any of the locals. We did stay in a Casa Particular that was girl friendly in old Habana. The owner was extremely friendly and helpful. In fact within 10 minutes of our arrival she made a point to mention that it was OK for us to bring a girl into our room. I boned up immediately when she said this but my buddy just shook his head, smiled and said, "no that's ok".

I'm not sure if I should post the name of the casa here as I don't want to bring the Polícia down on them but you can contact me for their information.

What is the going rate for girls in Habana? I read back 3 months in the blog and have found very few prices. Sounds like if you spend some time with them, buy them some dinner and or some soap you can get them for almost free.

Doc Bill

03-19-08, 08:08

cubanito, it's great to read your stuff, my friend, keep it coming, and i hope you're well!

trafalgar, i want to thank you for your report. i really enjoyed it, and like i always say, we all have different experiences and that doesn't mean that anyone's is any more right or wrong than the other's.

having said that, i hope you won't mind if i take issue with some of your statements/impressions. first, i strongly disagree that most americans and europeans are no better off than cubans. come on guys, i don't know what to say about that. it is so clear to me, after 12 visits to cuba, that they are a third world country unlike us and a lot worse off. but yes, the poorest of the poor in the us and europe would do well to move to cuba, that is true, because they would be fed and given a place to live, unlike in more developed countries.

it took many years for people i know to start telling me the truth about how they feel about fidel. yes, the more older people still like him, especially the poor and black people who had nothing and couldn't read before the revolution. and i've spoken to plenty of white folk in havana who thought things were better under batista. the younger generation is especially hateful of fidel, but they won't tell you until and unless they really get to know you well. they are very very angry. and you're right, it's not because they want freedom as much as they want "stuff." but in my opinion that's just because they can't get their arms around the concept of freedom. how can you crave something you never had or have known?

i think the word love may be confused with the word "awe." cubans are definitely in awe of fidel, but the ones i've met over 12 trips since 2000 are for the most part very angry with him, and i would definitely say that many hate him.

regarding buying power, i understand your analogy, traf, but really, i think that not being able to buy a ferrari and not being able to buy [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) for your baby are two very different things.

there is no law on the books that cubans can't travel with permission, but my girl was in havana from guantanamo. the government knows that a lot of girls come in from the provinces to make money off papariquis like us, so they are severely reprimanded and sent home, sometimes arrested, if they are stopped in havana and do not have a family member there or some very good reason to be there.

the medical system is too complicated to explain thoroughly here, but briefly it's a two-tier system, one being for foreigners and the cuban elite and communist party officials, and the other being for everyone else. the latter is abysmal. i went to a clinic with my girl once. after waiting four hours she was told that she had a urinary infection and prescribed an antibiotic. we went to about 6 different pharmacies and nobody had it. finally, i just walked myself right into the pharmacy in the habana libre and bought it in five seconds. i was told that if you need an ambulance you better be prepared to bribe the driver or you ain't going anywhere. there's more, but i'll leave it at that.

as i said, we all have different experiences and opinions, and i thank you, traf, for sharing yours and listening to mine. sorry to all of you, guys, and jackson, for the complete lack of sexual content in this post. i'll try to behave better next time!

and lest you think otherwise, i have no political interest, agenda, or bias. i love cuba but hate their government, same as i feel about my us of a.

doc

Member #4167

03-22-08, 04:20

The mongering scene in Havana is now very poor. This aint the good old days.
Despite the above - I love Cuba in and of itself. Someone famous said that once Cuba gets under your skin - you can't shake it. Despite it's problems and despite the mediocre mongering scene in Habana and Cienfuegos, I am going back. I am a big fan of the country.

Casas Particulars

I stayed in a Chica friendly Casa Particular. This was an apartment independiente, so I could come and go as I pleased. I could also bring in muchachas as much as I pleased and was only asked to register one.

Mongering - Havana

It is true that police are cracking down very heavily on Cuban women walking with foreigners. They face heavy jail time and/or fines. Cuban women were reluctant to talk to me, nor would many respond if I tried to talk to them.

To compund the issue many girls come to Habana illegally (without permission) from the poorer provinces typically Holguin or Camaguey. If they are caught they face fines maybe jail. As a result most muchachas were VERY AFRAID to talk to me or be seen with me in the street. The Habaneras who had permission to live there were lesser afraid but they charged higher prices. The good girls with no record of jinterismo were also a little more willing to talk to me.

For mongering there are two avenues: P4P (Pure prostitution) and the jinitera route.

P4P The Routine.

See a prostitute in the street. Invite her to your casa particular. The initial contact has to proceed very quickly - you basically have about 60 seconds to explain to her the deal. Act quickly to avoid her being seen by the police. Tell her your address. Tell her to follow you. She follows on foot 1 block behind. (or you can go in a cab)

Quality: I mostly went for 8's and 9's 18-24.

Quantity: In each night of mongering I saw no more than 10 pros walking about in 2-3 hours of strolling/cruising.

I heard the going rate was $20. Despite all my negotiating the cheapest I could get was $30.

VARIOUS PRICES - ALL FOR FULL SEX - for 7's 8's 9's:
$100CUC ($120 us) initial quote - negotiated down to $50cuc ($60 US)
$90CUC - negotiated down to $70cuc
$40CUC (final price)
$30CUC (final price) (2 or three final negotiated prices from different providers)

Needless to say I stuck with the $30 providers. On principal I refuse to pay western prices in a country where the average wage is $25 per month.

Special Incident:
I met a 9. She initially wanted $90CUC - it took 1/2 hour to negotiate her down to $70cuc. She just would not budge. After all this unpleasant haggling I lost interest in sex.

Conclusion: the P4P scene in Habana is just not worth the hassle and cost.

Part Two: The jinitera Scene

Jinitera #1: Sex was great. I gave her a bunch of clothes. We were hungry - I suggested several restaurants, but she insisted on only going to a specific Paladar. $10 a meal for pork. She ordered her meal and proceeded not to eat a bit of it. I think she did this deliberately. I figure she was getting a $1 CUC commission / kickback per $10 charged. Hence she cost me $10 for a meal she didn't eat in order to get her $1. I eventually dumped her.

The mongering scene, however leaves much to be desired. Go to Havana for the tourist experience, not for mongering experience.

I visited other areas of Cuba with both worse and better results. The worse result was in Cienfuegos. It is as bad or worse than Havana. However, this is the Havana forum so I want to focus my commentary primarily on Havana.

I love Cuba. IT has gotten under my skin. I will go back soon but I would not go back to Havana or Cienfuegos solely for mongering.

Water Boy out.

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El Rey De Pollo

03-22-08, 23:15

Water Boy,

Thanks for the current repport. It sounds exactly like my experiences.

You have to have Cuba in your heart. Anybody flying to Cuba with no feelings for the country and only for mongering is a sucker. People will be surprised as to how difficult it is for a Cuba-novice to get anything out of it.

Allthough Cubanas are beautiful, there are many better sex-destinations in the Carib and South America.

Will be heading over for about a month next month. Keeping my expectations down as it sounds even worse than my last visit about a good year ago. But I would stay in Cuba for a month with no pussy anytime, so I'll be fine.

Thanks again.

Member #4167

03-23-08, 12:14

TravellinGring - There is P4P in Havana - and there is no reason for you to go without sex.

The police are more vigilant in the touristy towns such as Havana, Cienfuegos and Veradero. I have heard but not witnessed first-hand that there is much police presence in the other major tourist cities as well. Where there are tourists there is police scrutiny.

As Cubanito said their is less police scrutiny in the countryside. I did better in the countryside. For this you need a car (cheapest is $70CUC/day = $84 USD) as well as fairly good spanish and good connections with the locals. Plus you need to spend a couple of weeks there or live there long time.

However for me, I quickly became tired of the P4P scene in Cuba. I much prefer a girlfriend.

Still, even in the countryside your girlfriend is required to register her ID# whenever she sleeps with you and that data is collected by the police. My girlfriend was reluctant to register. This is where the car came in handy a place for sex. Car sex, is a novelty but I prefer to linger with my girlfriend in a bed.

HuevosAzul

03-23-08, 19:37

Dinner and soap would have worked about 12 years ago. These days, the realistic minimal going price is 40 CUC; and that's for girls that are reasonably good looking, and will stay with you for an hour or so. If you want to pay less, then the quality of the girl is going to drop substantially as well. I've met plenty that will stay with you all the time for a price of around 70 CUC. It all depends on the girl. Watch out, more and more girls seem to be hooked up with a pimp these days. If you want a girl that's a 9-10, then go to any of the discos; but be prepared to pay a minimul of 80 CUC for an hour of her time, which is really not a GFE experience.

Howdy gents,

Just got back from a short stay in Cuba. Was with a non-mongering buddy so I didn't get a chance to sample any of the locals. We did stay in a Casa Particular that was girl friendly in old Habana. The owner was extremely friendly and helpful. In fact within 10 minutes of our arrival she made a point to mention that it was OK for us to bring a girl into our room. I boned up immediately when she said this but my buddy just shook his head, smiled and said, "no that's ok".

I'm not sure if I should post the name of the casa here as I don't want to bring the Polícia down on them but you can contact me for their information.

What is the going rate for girls in Habana? I read back 3 months in the blog and have found very few prices. Sounds like if you spend some time with them, buy them some dinner and or some soap you can get them for almost free.

Doc Bill

03-23-08, 22:43

Water Boy,

Thanks for your report and for totally validating my experience in Cuba recently. In the early 2000's it was a lot different, but now it is definitely NOT a place to go for mongering. Having said that, I've said before and I'll say it again - Cuba gets under the skin and pulls you back, time and time again. One can always find sex, and that's not my reason for going anyway. I'll be back soon.

Member #4167

03-24-08, 15:07

Or maybe it was just another scam, so we would have one more drink (the waitress had told my girl, if she made me order Cuba Libre she would get 1 CUC for every drink). Trafalgar,

My Jintera pulled this same scam. She wasted $4 of my dollars so she could get $1. Coulndt she just ask me for $1? I would gladly give it to her.

Member #4167

03-24-08, 15:08

In Pinar del Rio or Matanzas ... there we hit the clubs more often than in Havana.Trafalgar - How is Matanzas vs. Habana with regards to:

1.) Prices for P4P ?
2.) Police hassling cubanas who are in the street with extranjeros (you) ?

Inquiring minds want to know

Rebel Monger

03-24-08, 21:37

Member #4167

03-25-08, 13:45

I am seeking help from the Cuba Experts on this forum. I have just completed my nth trip to Cuba and I love it there. I am retired and would like to live in Cuba for an extended period of time. My concerns are in obtaining the proper Cuban Visas to enable me greater freedoms in Cuba.

Of course the easiest thing to get is a tourist visa.

I have heard that there is also cuban temporary residency. I have not been able to reach the cuban embassy and they do not respond to emails.

Here is what I know

a) An A2 Visa allows you to stay in your wife's home. This is not a good visa for me as I am not married and not planning on it.

b) A student Visa allows you to purchase transport and other services at cuban peso prices. The only drawback is: you have to be in school 4-6 hours a day and they monitor you.

c) Temporary Residency may offer you greater rights/freedoms

Does any of the cubaexerts on this forum know of a residency/visa status that offers you any or most of the following:

1. Be able to purchase a car in Cuba

2. Be able to purchase a house in Cuba in MY NAME (not my non-exsisting wife's name)

3. Be able to stay in the houses of my cuban friends without obtaining special permission.

4. Have a carnet de identidad

5. Pay Cuban prices for goods and services (as opposed to paying tourist prices)

6. I do not want to place my cuban amigas in jeopardy because they are walking with an extranjero. does temporary residency accomplish this ?

Does any of the cubaexerts on this forum know how I can obtain the proper immigration status (other than PERMANENT residency) to accomplish any of the above ?

I woiuld be most appreciative

Thank you

Water boy

Trafalgar2

03-27-08, 03:02

Sorry guys, I was't around for a few days, so I only read your posts today.

First of all I would like to thank Doc Bill for accepting my report as just MY personal point of view (and for YOUR very interesting reports from Colombia). As you say we all have different experiences and that's what makes a forum like this one worth reading as long as we share. Of course: my analogy was poor, but I just wanted to point out that we all have needs and wishes that cannot be fulfilled. You are absolutely right that there is a big difference between "luxury goods" and daily needs; for example, for some days in december there was no milk available in many parts of Havana, not even "leche en polvo" which a friend of mine suggested I should use instead of fresh milk (he had to explain it to me). While in the big shopping centers you could buy foreign yogurt for 80 cents a small can, they did NOT have ANY milk, not even around 5ta avenida close to the embassies or in the bodega. As a fact, Cubans ARE a lot worse off than most Europeans or Americans. So, Doc Bill, maybe our points of view are not as far apart as it might seem, and I definitely agree on what you said about countries and their governments.

Water Boy, thanks for your Habana Trip Report, which for sure was much more on topic than mine. But I have to confess, I can contribute very little concerning the prices. As I mentioned in my report, as I just like GFE, I was with my "novia" and this girl can be very possessive / celosa. As far as I noticed in Matanzas, there were very few "professionals" in the discotheque, but I got a lot of nice smiles from what I would call "semi-pros" or even regular girls seeming to be willing / available. And I did not notice the typical chulo/jinetera combination like you would find it most of the time in Havana, but maybe this was because there were just a few tourists around (but this should lower the prices as well, compared to Havana). In general there was much less police action than in Havana, just one evening they were standing in the parking lot of the disco, but no hassle at all. And I would like to mention, that for sure nobody would think we are a cuban couple (colour- and age-difference-wise).

Again: My girl didn't have any problem being registered with me, so in case a police officer would have asked stupid questions, we would have given him address and phone number of our legal casa particular, where we both signed the well known "book", which anyway is given to migration. So obviously this kind of behaviour just is suitable if the lady has not had cartas de advertencia (and if she is sure you will defend her if she gets problems - and if you really WILL do so, just in case). BTW, thanks for the hint, Water Boy, apart from a nice BBBJ/CIM on the highway between Santa Clara and Havana, I never tried car sex because THIS seemed a little bit risky to me, so I would definitely love to hear more about that.

Ah, and if I formulated poorly in my other post, my "novia" did NOT try the Cuba Libre scam on me, she just reported to me what the waitress had offered her. So we both had a good laugh, how the waitress could be so stupid to think my girl would make me spend 5 CUC just to get 1, if she just would have to ask me for the 5 if she needed them. But seems like the scam works more often than I imagined. I prefer to give my girl some money every few days (10 - 20 CUC) and she can save it, spend it or waste it on whatever she has in mind. So she doesn't have to ask me for money for her mother or for icecream and so on, which would be really humiliating for a proud woman like her and boring for me while I'm trying to have a nice holiday.

Regarding your questions about residency in Cuba, Water Boy, I don't know personally, so don't blame me, I just can repeat what a guy who tried it, wrote in a german forum: It's not worth the hassle just in order to pay with MN (which is possible without residency anyway), or for transportation reasons, because then - just like a Cuban - you will be on a waiting list if you want to go to Santiago for example. You would save money but waste a lot of time. The better way would be to have a working contract with one of the international companies there, which would give you most of the benefit you are asking for. And as for rights/freedoms, if in Cuba you want more than a tourist, you have to be part of the corps diplomatique, I guess. Real experts answers might differ, anyway.

Trafalgar2 out.

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Member #4167

03-27-08, 15:27

As far as I noticed in Matanzas, there were very few "professionals" in the discotheque, but I got a lot of nice smiles from what I would call "semi-pros" or even regular girls seeming to be willing / available. And I did not notice the typical chulo/jinetera combination like you would find it most of the time in Havana, but maybe this was because there were just a few tourists around (but this should lower the prices as well, compared to Havana). In general there was much less police action than in Havana, just one evening they were standing in the parking lot of the disco, but no hassle at all. And I would like to mention, that for sure nobody would think we are a cuban couple (colour- and age-difference-wise).Thanks Trafalgar for your report. Actually, it was very informative.

Is there anything touristy/fun to do in Matanzas besides drink and have sex?

Smokers Rule

03-29-08, 23:48

I'm traveling solo to Cuba for the first time next month (from the US, through a gateway). I am wondering if anybody has contracted with a local guide that understands what we're looking for. It seems like someone would do well leading us to the water. I'd appreciate any suggestions or rec's.

El Rey De Pollo

03-30-08, 16:44

i don't mean to be a party-pooper and i appologize for not replying with an answer (since i don't use guides in cuba), but here is what i'm thinking:

why do you want to go through the hazzle of travelling from the u.s (including potential hazzle and huge fines on return from u.s customs) to go to a country that is a shitty place for mongering compared to most of its neighbouring countries where us zitizens can travel to quickly, directly and without hazzle? and where you can walk down the street and grab any chica you want without needing a guide to help you get laid in a place where prostitution is illegal?

i am just wondering... i love cuba myself, but would never go there only for mongering.

tg

i'm traveling solo to cuba for the first time next month (from the us, through a gateway). i am wondering if anybody has contracted with a local guide that understands what we're looking for. it seems like someone would do well leading us to the water. i'd appreciate any suggestions or rec's.

Smokers Rule

03-30-08, 19:33

(1) it's an adventure. i like the fact that i'm not supposed to do it.
(2) it's different. i have made 8 trips in the last year to the places you're talking about, and quite honestly that is getting boring. :)

no worries, there is no [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) on my party =)

El Rey De Pollo

03-30-08, 21:19

fair enough :-)

hope you will enjoy it, despite the obvious obstacles.

(1) it's an adventure. i like the fact that i'm not supposed to do it.
(2) it's different. i have made 8 trips in the last year to the places you're talking about, and quite honestly that is getting boring. :)

no worries, there is no [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) on my party =)

Sean EZ

04-02-08, 01:13

And where you can walk down the street and grab any chica you want without needing a guide to help you get laid in a place where prostitution is illegal?
TG

Where are such places if you don't mind me asking? Please don't mention DR - I prefer light skinned women. Thank you.

La Isla

04-02-08, 03:33

Where are such places if you don't mind me asking?

In Cuba, things can change by the hour, never mind by the day. It all depends on the police prescense, whether there is something international going on, etc, etc. Do you speak Spanish?

If you are going to to Cuba for the adventure, to see Cuba, etc and maybe do some mongering, then go. If you are going just for the mongering, there are way better places (I suggest Brazil). In the General Info section you say you prefer light skinned women. Those days are over in Cuba. For whatever reason, the overwhelming majority of working girls are mulattas y negras.

El Rey De Pollo

04-02-08, 14:33

Bahia Boy gave an answer along the line I would have. Spot on. Cuba is no place to go only for mongering. You will regret it. Brazil, DR, Colombia, CR are much better destinations for this hobby.

Where are such places if you don't mind me asking? Please don't mention DR - I prefer light skinned women. Thank you.

Sean EZ

04-02-08, 20:47

Thanks guys. Cuba has history, 5 dollar salsa classes, beach, etc. With the recent changes the time to go is now, before Cuba turns into next Hawaii.

With respect to banging the white girls, does anyone else have an opinion, I find it hard to believe that it is not possible.

Bahia Boy gave an answer along the line I would have. Spot on. Cuba is no place to go only for mongering. You will regret it. Brazil, DR, Colombia, CR are much better destinations for this hobby.

In the General Info section you say you prefer light skinned women. Those days are over in Cuba. For whatever reason, the overwhelming majority of working girls are mulattas y negras.

El Rey De Pollo

04-02-08, 21:39

Off course it's possible. If you're good looking and want to spend time and dates getting them into bed. Most jineteras (I would say at least 95%) are dark-skinned nowadays.

Kalifornication

04-03-08, 03:49

There is much to be had in Cuba

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I just returned from Cuba today and here is what I observed:

1. It is not difficult at all to talk to the women.

2. The university girls are more than willing to spend the night at your casa. But must show id.

3. The discos are full of great looking women willing to spend the evening as your gf in the disco and later join you at your casa.

4. the melecon also has a few jockeys working the area. I did not spend much time here however.

All in all, if your looking for this sort of action, ... it is definitely available in Cuba.

I am very much confused by the earlier discussions re no action in Cuba??? Where were you guys, ... Guantnamo?

Trafalgar2

04-07-08, 02:42

Sorry for the delay in answering your question regarding Matanzas, Water Boy, but I was quite busy lately (and sorry for answering it here in the Havana forum, Jackson).

There are two caves close by you can visit, a campismo popular which is very nice, and - if you like it, for one night - a smaller version of the Tropicana cabaret, just not as expensive as in Havana, but as well not as professional. The good thing about Matanzas is, as there are huge residential areas with nice neat buildings, with some looking around you can find a good casa in a safe and quiet neighbourhood (no need for paying a guard to "watch" your car, if you know what I mean). And - of course - it's close enough to Varadero to go and come back whenever you feel like it.

Darenesq0767, thanks for your short report. I agree with you, as I stated in one report: for a girl who did never get a carta de advertencia for being with tourists, it's no big deal to register with you in a casa particular as long as she's not married (to a cuban) and has sufficient intelectual capacity to defend herself against the investigation which could follow after your departure. That would explain why university girls are more than willing. But maybe these non-pro or semi-pro girls are not available to all forum members; I imagine without you speaking rather good spanish or her speaking fair english it's quite difficult to get in touch with them.

So maybe that's one of the reasons why some fellow mongers prefer to stick with the professionals and - one thing for sure - even I (and I'm not very interested in the pro-scene) have noticed a significant decrease in the amount of available jineteras. Just compare the malecon area now and two years ago: seems like it's not the same place anymore. The ones that are left, mostly are hardcore-pros who for sure have their arrangement with police, so you pay for her, for her chulo and for her bribing the police man on the corner who is bribing his captain as well. So what would you expect? Only very few are willing / able to feed this chain of worms, that's why - compared to earlier days - the action is so low nowadays. Anyway, most posters agree on one fact: there are still sufficient possibilities, just not as many as before...

Traf2

BeersTerry

04-07-08, 12:55

Things look like they are achanging BUT if girls are/were registered with too many tourists (3) they could be hauled off/investigated for prostitution.

Trafalgar2

04-07-08, 15:34

Exactly, they WILL be investigated, so I would not see too much of a change, but it's an option for the guys who are not interested in the pro-scene.

Just to add one more comment to this: I find it disgusting how some men treat their non-pro "girlfriends" if it comes to problems with police. I saw in Playas del Este how a girl was taken away by police and her italian "boyfriend" didn't even get up from his seat. 10 minutes later he waved over another chica to go on with what seemed like business as normal for him.

This makes me barf: this guy for sure knew that a few minutes ago he had ruined the life of a girl and he didn't care a bit about it. THIS is what makes the life of decent guys who are willing to play the game a lot harder. Frankly, I wished, a girl would place a small packet of a white substance in this guys bags, and give a hint to police, so he could find out what it's like to spend some time in cuban jail just for being with the wrong person.

Sorry for the harsh words, Trafalgar2 out.

Wet Nose

04-07-08, 16:57

There is much to be had in Cuba

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I just returned from Cuba today and here is what I observed:

2. The university girls are more than willing to spend the night at your casa. But must show id.

3. The discos are full of great looking women willing to spend the evening as your gf in the disco and later join you at your casa.

Hey there,

Thanks for the update. Can you share with the board which was your favorite club and how you went about picking up university girls?

BeersTerry

04-07-08, 22:58

Well, remember the Mexican journalist that was invited to Cuba and got himself killed a couple of years ago? He was trying to stiff a jinetera, literally and figuratively. The girls' boyfriend showed up to collect and could'nt get any money out of the Mexican either and hence the consquences.

Get a book. Go to the university and walk around, sit and read make eye contact. Arrange to meet them after class. You speak Spanish, right ?

Sean EZ

04-08-08, 01:57

I would do my best to keep the girl out of trouble. Maybe suggesting first that she is my girlfriend, then offering a bribe (politely of course) would help bail her out?

Just out of curiosity, does jinitera mean a street walker? I remember reading somewhere that if you willing to spend $100 you can get a '10' at an upscale night club in Havana - can anyone please confirm that?

Trafalgar2

04-08-08, 03:18

La Isla

04-08-08, 04:08

Do you speak Spanish? If so, how well do you speak it?

Jinitera literally means "jockey". It means any woman who will basically fuck for money. It does not necessarily mean she is a "ho".

I would do my best to keep the girl out of trouble. Maybe suggesting first that she is my girlfriend, then offering a bribe (politely of course) would help bail her out?

Just out of curiosity, does jinitera mean a street walker? I remember reading somewhere that if you willing to spend $100 you can get a '10' at an upscale night club in Havana - can anyone please confirm that?

Sean EZ

04-08-08, 07:06

My Spanish is about 1000 words, my grammar is good, and I don't bother to learn more unless I happen to pick up a new word or an expression in a course of a conversation. I pick up University girls in Colombia, I should be fine in Cuba. I understand hookers can take care of themselves.

With respect to my question to 100 dollar model-type hoes at high end clubs, is this true? It's good to always have backup options.

BeersTerry

04-08-08, 13:15

Turquino at the top of the Habana Libre. CUC$15 admission as there is usually a good salsa band. Get there early (Cuban early) to get yourself a looker. It is about CUC$100.

On the cheap side, there is a bar on the second level of the Habana Libre that girls used to hang out in but it has been closed the last couple of times I had been in...but you can always check. Sometimes a CUC$5 cover.

El Rey De Pollo

04-08-08, 15:53

100$ ?!?!?!

This is about half a years salary for the average Cuban. Are you going to throw that on a girl for ONE night just because you can?

Sorry to say this, but it is people like you guys who are the reason why 10-20$ is not the norm as it was not too many years ago in Cuba.

Go spend your 100's. As long as you feel okay with being a sucker.

BeersTerry

04-08-08, 18:43

Hey, question asked, question answered.

Turquino has very pretty girls hanging out with older guys willing to pay it. I did'nt say I paid it. Even if you go to Habana Cafe, they'll ask for CUC$80.

If you want to put in the work, ya gotta go to the shopping mall during the day.

El Rey De Pollo

04-08-08, 22:27

I was mostly adressing Sean, who seems to be more than ready to do his part to pump up Cuban inflation.

Sorry to say it, but you have to be very old, very fat, very unattractive and very uncharming to have to pay 100$ for any girl in Cuba. Give a girl 100$ and she'll be laughing at you for days with her jinetera-amigas.

Hey, question asked, question answered.

Turquino has very pretty girls hanging out with older guys willing to pay it. I did'nt say I paid it. Even if you go to Habana Cafe, they'll ask for CUC$80.

If you want to put in the work, ya gotta go to the shopping mall during the day.

Sean EZ

04-09-08, 00:56

It was not my intention to overpay, or pay the asking price. Based on reading this board many say that street walkers are few and ugly, regular girls are too scared to talk, so I just wanted to make sure there are other alternatives. I understand that there are chumps who overpay and ruin it for the rest of us, I am not one of them. No hard feelings.

I was mostly adressing Sean, who seems to be more than ready to do his part to pump up Cuban inflation.

Sorry to say it, but you have to be very old, very fat, very unattractive and very uncharming to have to pay 100$ for any girl in Cuba. Give a girl 100$ and she'll be laughing at you for days with her jinetera-amigas.

Private 69

04-09-08, 02:16

Just to make things clear, Sean EZ, you don't have to worry about keeping a hardcore-pro out of trouble (they should be able to care for themselves), I was ONLY referring to non- and semi-pro girls (as university girls were mentioned in one report). I personally would suggest, if police doesn't accept the girlfriend-explanation, rather ask them if there is any "other solution" for the problem, instead of offering them money (you could end up in problems yourself for that).

Traf2You don't want to offer money to Cuban police and it is not necessary. What you should do if they grab your girl is just hang around, stand right there next to them them for as long as it takes, co-operating politely if they talk to you. Though it is unlikely they will talk to you.

When they see you are serious and not just going to walk away (like most guys would, move on to the next chica) they will most likely let you and the girl go. They are under strict instructions not to hassle foreigners at all under any circumstances.

For a Cuban street policeman to have to explain to his boss why he has a tourist upset with him, would be something like a US policeman having to explain to his boss why he discharged his weapon. You have to be really, really bad - or engage in ploitics - to get in trouble with the law in Cuba.

Kalifornication

04-10-08, 22:02

Hey there,

Thanks for the update. Can you share with the board which was your favorite club and how you went about picking up university girls?

Wet Nose (good name) :):

Let me make one thing clear, I am not into the pro scene to much anymore. Now this may seem a bit of a contradiction since I, as you, frequent this board too, but, I think many of us prefer more meaningful relations after the pure p4p.

With that said,

The clubs I frequented were Casa De La Musica, and some thing named deablo ^*^(* &^&. I cannot remember the exact name. These are not too difficult to find for those of you who do not know Cuba. Simply find a local cuban ("jinetro") or cab driver and ask which is the best club of the night. The better clubs are where the best bands and groups are playing that evening.

Now within these clubs are many women looking for tourists for the night. If you do nothing they may find you. This happened to me one eve. They will share time with you at the club and then, when you are ready, go home with you for a tip. They are looking for $50+. Otherwise, say hello, offer a drink, and you are on your way, ... its that easy.

For the college girls, try badoo.com. Most do not speak english, but with google translator you'll do fine. These are good girls! And I mean that. Most attend UCI and that University -right now- offers the best and brightest of Cuba. These are the girls you'd want to marry. I simply developed a friendship, told them that I was arriving in Cuba shortly, and asked if they would like to have dinner or a drink with me. Several agreed, but I chose to meet two. One I will continue to develop a relationship with, she is wonderful (i did not bed her), the other, we will remain griends (did not bed her either). I met these girls because I wanted to develop a sincere relationship which I think is in progress.

One member said he goes to Cuba more for Cuba than the p4p, "Cuba has a hook" is a phrase often mentioned in Cuba. I agree. I love Cuba and there are no people on this planet quite like them.

Viva la revolution!

Cubiche

04-11-08, 07:23

Wet Nose (good name) :):

Let me make one thing clear, I am not into the pro scene to much anymore. Now this may seem a bit of a contradiction since I, as you, frequent this board too, but, I think many of us prefer more meaningful relations after the pure p4p.

With that said,

The clubs I frequented were Casa De La Musica, and some thing named deablo ^*^(* &^&. I cannot remember the exact name. These are not too difficult to find for those of you who do not know Cuba. Simply find a local cuban ("jinetro") or cab driver and ask which is the best club of the night. The better clubs are where the best bands and groups are playing that evening.

Now within these clubs are many women looking for tourists for the night. If you do nothing they may find you. This happened to me one eve. They will share time with you at the club and then, when you are ready, go home with you for a tip. They are looking for $50+. Otherwise, say hello, offer a drink, and you are on your way, ... its that easy.

For the college girls, try badoo.com. Most do not speak english, but with google translator you'll do fine. These are good girls! And I mean that. Most attend UCI and that University -right now- offers the best and brightest of Cuba. These are the girls you'd want to marry. I simply developed a friendship, told them that I was arriving in Cuba shortly, and asked if they would like to have dinner or a drink with me. Several agreed, but I chose to meet two. One I will continue to develop a relationship with, she is wonderful (i did not bed her), the other, we will remain griends (did not bed her either). I met these girls because I wanted to develop a sincere relationship which I think is in progress.

One member said he goes to Cuba more for Cuba than the p4p, "Cuba has a hook" is a phrase often mentioned in Cuba. I agree. I love Cuba and there are no people on this planet quite like them.

Viva la revolution!

There two Casa de La Musica in La Habana. The one on Galiano was still closed in Dec for repairs, could be open by now. The other is located by Miramar. El Diablo Tun Tun is located on the the second floor of that one, with the entrance around the corner.

As to "meaningful, sincere" relationships, if you mean romantic, "real love", "nadie como tu", "tu eres el unico" " como puedes pensar eso de mi" "no soy como otras" I would suggest you proceed with EXTREME caution!!!!!! Even if they attend the University. I've been going to Cuba for 12 years. In that time, I've been with University girls on several occasions. Some of them had Yuma novios thinking they are the one and only and of course, they all had their Cuban. In fact, one now married and living in Italy, had her future husband's name tatooed across her lower back to demonstrate her true love. I have fotos of my dick laying in the crease of her ass, pointing at his name. But then again, you're all that and she is different!

Kalifornication

04-12-08, 03:22

There two Casa de La Musica in La Habana. The one on Galiano was still closed in Dec for repairs, could be open by now. The other is located by Miramar. El Diablo Tun Tun is located on the the second floor of that one, with the entrance around the corner.

As to "meaningful, sincere" relationships, if you mean romantic, "real love", "nadie como tu", "tu eres el unico" " como puedes pensar eso de mi" "no soy como otras" I would suggest you proceed with EXTREME caution!!!!!! Even if they attend the University. I've been going to Cuba for 12 years. In that time, I've been with University girls on several occasions. Some of them had Yuma novios thinking they are the one and only and of course, they all had their Cuban. In fact, one now married and living in Italy, had her future husband's name tatooed across her lower back to demonstrate her true love. I have fotos of my dick laying in the crease of her ass, pointing at his name. But then again, you're all that and she is different!

Cubiche,

In fact, you are right, I am all that, but I am not certain she is different. SMILE

I too have my USA girl's name tatooed to my heart, but I like a bit of adventure too. Do not get me wrong, I am not looking for a sole mate in Cuba. I am looking, however, for more than the instant shallow action of the pure p4p. I personally do not care too much what she is doing when I am abroad, which will be the case as I intend to only visit Cuba 1-3 times per year.

In fact, its better that there is a physical barrier between my USA life and my Cuban life.

I will be in Cuba again mid-June. Care to join me?

Cubiche

04-12-08, 07:30

Cubiche,

In fact, you are right, I am all that, but I am not certain she is different. SMILE

I too have my USA girl's name tatooed to my heart, but I like a bit of adventure too. Do not get me wrong, I am not looking for a sole mate in Cuba. I am looking, however, for more than the instant shallow action of the pure p4p. I personally do not care too much what she is doing when I am abroad, which will be the case as I intend to only visit Cuba 1-3 times per year.

In fact, its better that there is a physical barrier between my USA life and my Cuban life.

I will be in Cuba again mid-June. Care to join me?

As long as you're all that!! As for me, I'm not!!!!!! In any case, I agree with you as to the shallow p4p. That's why I have my regulars that I enjoy during my visits but they get no financial support from me when I am not there. However, they all get their monthly "support check" from others. I have on occasion driven them to the bank to get the money. Of course, dinner is on her that day!
I will not be there in June. I visit no less that 3X a year. Am going in early May,(as usual), usually go in mid Aug and have spent the last 5 New Years there. Set it up!
Venceremos!!
Cubiche

BeersTerry

04-12-08, 16:16

It appears that Casa de la Musica on Galiano is opened again.

Are you fcuking crazy, visiting Cuba in August ? Its too hot even for Cubans. Though I guess it would be fun as most Cubans are on holidays and looking to party.

Kalifornication

04-12-08, 16:38

Dididodat

04-12-08, 17:27

Kalifornication

04-13-08, 19:20

As long as you're all that!! As for me, I'm not!!!!!! In any case, I agree with you as to the shallow p4p. That's why I have my regulars that I enjoy during my visits but they get no financial support from me when I am not there. However, they all get their monthly "support check" from others. I have on occasion driven them to the bank to get the money. Of course, dinner is on her that day!
I will not be there in June. I visit no less that 3X a year. Am going in early May,(as usual), usually go in mid Aug and have spent the last 5 New Years there. Set it up!
Venceremos!!
Cubiche

Cubiche,

Your Spanish must be very good, ... are you Latino? Cubano perhaps? :)

My Spanish is not so good, this is my handicap. It has not held me back however, but I am certain that understanding the language fluently would add quite a bit of milage to the adventure.

I like the idea of having a few regulars as you have. That is what I am seeking. Seems to me that you are far too humble, you are "all that", and a big of chips. SMILE.

Listen, seeking your opinion. Now I know you carry a healthy bit of skepticism about these chicas, ... I should do more of the same. But, with that said, this chica that I met that attends UCI is asking me to return in mid-July raher than my planned mid-June. She wants me to return to Santa Clara with her, as she is out-from school, to show me her pias and to meet her family.

Is there something I should be warry of? Is she the real deal or stringing me along? And meeting her parents, ... what is this all about? Am I really all that?

Cubiche

04-16-08, 08:55

"Is there something I should be warry of? Is she the real deal or stringing me along? And meeting her parents, ... what is this all about? Am I really all that?"

I've met many families. Some of them, I still visit when I am on the island. There is a Cuba Amor forum that provides insight. Rules prevent me from giving you the actual site. But could be found in a google search.
Let me know when you start sending her funds to help with her studies, the bills, family emergency, etc... She might need a ride. But then again, she's different.

BeersTerry

04-16-08, 14:24

Well, it could happen.

In all my time, I have dated 2 girls that were the real deal. One took alot of work. Never gave either one a dime....that might be the tipoff.

Kalifornication

04-16-08, 22:08

Well, it could happen.

In all my time, I have dated 2 girls that were the real deal. One took alot of work. Never gave either one a dime....that might be the tipoff.

Damn, does love have to be so difficult.

LOL

Vedado Fun

04-17-08, 23:23

It's very rare to meet a Cuban who doesn't try to get money from you one way or another. It's a very difficult place to have real friends.
They don't have much so they have to try and get what they can from tourists.

Well, it could happen.

In all my time, I have dated 2 girls that were the real deal. One took alot of work. Never gave either one a dime....that might be the tipoff.

BeersTerry

04-18-08, 00:59

Contrary to belief, not everyone in Cuba is poor. In fact, I know a few people that have better lives than we in North America.

El Cubanito

04-18-08, 14:04

A Couple years back I went to Cuba and this Cuban couple like my laptop. In fact they were looking for one. My Laptop was a IBM top of the line with Windows and Unix install. Nothing special except for the memory an dthe program I had install on it. But this couple really like it. The guy or husband ask me if I would sell it to him. At the time I though it was a joke because my laptop was only 6 month old and if I was going to sell it. It would be for close to $1,000.00. Well, that is what I asked and quess what? HE gave me the money. This guy had $1,000.00 CUC to BUY A LAPTOP! There are alot of Cubans down there that have money. It is not the majority, but they have money.

El Cubanito

Vedado Fun

04-18-08, 19:16

Yes I know there are lots of well off Cubans. A lot of Cubans who are government employed live better lives than we do in our countries.
The majority of Cubans are not really well off. Lots of them have money though and lots of them live very well. As I'm sure you know there are lots of Cubans who have relatives in the US or elsewhere who support them. These Cubans are the lucky ones. The ones who aren't getting help from relatives abroad or the government do whatever they can to get by. Cuba is certainly a difficult place to live for those who are less fortunate.

A Couple years back I went to Cuba and this Cuban couple like my laptop. In fact they were looking for one. My Laptop was a IBM top of the line with Windows and Unix install. Nothing special except for the memory an dthe program I had install on it. But this couple really like it. The guy or husband ask me if I would sell it to him. At the time I though it was a joke because my laptop was only 6 month old and if I was going to sell it. It would be for close to $1,000.00. Well, that is what I asked and quess what? HE gave me the money. This guy had $1,000.00 CUC to BUY A LAPTOP! There are alot of Cubans down there that have money. It is not the majority, but they have money.

El Cubanito

Bertrand X

04-18-08, 21:07

Please give me some advice on where / place to go to find some nice gilrs.

Thanks

Barabbas2

04-19-08, 03:11

I guess it depends on your definition of what well off means. I too, have been offered ridiculous amounts of money for stuff; for example, for my 3 year old $200 ipod, I was offered $400. The prices for everything over there is inflated and Cubans, who understand the concept of saving money, save to buy stuff at inflated prices. But, I would never say they are well off; they are paranoid, repressed, oppressed and depressed. Even the ones with money. If you have access to money, every family member and friend expects a piece of the pie.

Misinformation

04-19-08, 12:20

Sorry if I offend anyone. Someone recently posted asking for a local guide. How to adress such an issue. Cuba is not a place to go if you need a guide. Is it just me or is Cuba bizarre? In Paris, a rooftop suite with a view of the Eiffel Tower could be $800. A dirty basement slum $10. In Havana a dirty spare room can be found for $25. A rooftop penthouse is $25 too. Food is another surprise. The tourist will find no cuisine more foul then that in Cuba. Really. I have done business in Africa for 20 years and I drink the water and eat street food everywhere. Cuba is special for food. The food in Cuba is worse than anything you can imagine. Restaurants I mean. The family in your house will prepare a lobster the size of your forearm for $8. A government fast food restaurant will give you cholera for the same price. Cuba is like no place on Earth. You should go before it turns into Hawaii.

BeersTerry

04-19-08, 16:29

How about having $1000 per month discretionary income every month to spend ? Another guy would be rolling in it, except his wife's extended family eat and drink everything he earns but what are you gonna do ? They guy is in love.

BeersTerry

04-19-08, 22:30

Back to the reforms.

".....many Cubans will be wary of openly taking advantagae of some of Mr. Castro's reforms because their local CDR would question where they got the money. If you go to a hotel, that information goes directly to the CDR in your block."

Sean EZ

04-19-08, 23:54

Anyone recently in Cuba can confirm things are easing up in terms of police harassments towards locals walking/talking with tourists?

We've been contemplating a trip for some time now and this particular issue seems to be the deciding factor.

Bertrand X

04-20-08, 17:44

Please give me some advices on where /place to go to find nice women.

Tx

Misinformation

04-21-08, 04:00

I, also, have had bad experiences with Nash Travel. My friends and I have used them many times. The Russian boss is all about making money and not keeping his word. They are a necessary evil only if you need a hotel.They do sometimes have really really cheap fares from Toronto to Cuba though. I dealt with them twice, no problem. YMMV

BeersTerry

04-21-08, 14:45

There are alot of Canadian travel sites where you can book hotels cheaper than you can book yourself.

i.e. You can sometimes book 1 week Hotel Nacional, flight (toursit card) and transfers for approximately CAD $1000

El Cubanito

04-22-08, 13:30

They do sometimes have really really cheap fares from Toronto to Cuba though. I dealt with them twice, no problem. YMMV

I have used Holiday Market Travel (http://www.holidaymarkettravel.com/) they have always been great. Two year ago, I ran out of money in Cuba and missed my return flight. They took care of me, even though by rules I had to pay for another fare to return back to Canada. If you are going to used Holiday Market Travel make sure that you use Sunwing Airlines with them It seems that they both have a good relationship and they can help you out with stuff that other Travel agents and Airline can not.

I have also used Nash Travel and the experience was very, very, very bad. So you make your own conclusion, but I have heard more bad stuff of people who have used Nash Tavel then good. If you do not believe me just google Nash Travel and you will see.

Barabbas2

04-23-08, 07:46

I concur about Nash travel; I've used then many times and if your lucky you'll only get a headache. They ripped me off once;the Russian owner is a prick!

Lerxsttt

04-23-08, 16:31

I wanted to recommend what I believe are the only travel agencies you will need for Cuban vacations from Canada - especially Toronto & Montreal.

selloffvacations.com

redtag.ca

I only use these two sites to book trips to Cuba. I have purchased air only trips and all inclusives through both. You will not be disappointed with their prices.

Last time I flew air only to Holguin from Toronto for $65 + taxes/fees total round trip cost $285 CAD.

Member #4643

04-30-08, 05:50

I want to travel to Cuba via the DR.

Does anyone know of a decent agency in the DR I can use to book my tickets from Santo Domingo to Havana and back? Thanks F

El Cubanito

04-30-08, 21:12

I want to travel to Cuba via the DR.

Does anyone know of a decent agency in the DR I can use to book my tickets from Santo Domingo to Havana and back? Thanks F

Here it is:

http://www.holidaymarkettravel.com/

Kdogg21

04-30-08, 23:06

I want to travel to Cuba via the DR.

Does anyone know of a decent agency in the DR I can use to book my tickets from Santo Domingo to Havana and back? Thanks F

Holiday travelmarket is only from canada,

This is the official Cubana airlines site and will book the santo Domingo flight for you
http://www.cubana.cu/html/ingles/index.asp

DownUnder

05-01-08, 13:00

Guys I have not been to Havana in almost 6 years. I was thinking of going again in July for a bachelor party with some buddies. Is it still worth it (in terms of the crackdown on girls and mongering) ? Also can anybody recommend a large private casa with a separate enterance.

DU

Barabbas2

05-01-08, 23:00

I have stayed in Havana for 2 weeks for each of the last 10 years. My last trip being in March of '08. I would definitely not reccomend Havana for a mongering bachelor party. I would say, maybe, if you had a lot of connections and "events" could be set up for you. It's a different ballgame now, in general, the women are very scared of the police and it's work to do anything, especially logistically with a group of guys.

Degree98

05-02-08, 07:18

This report is long overdue. I have been a reader for sometime now. I went to Cuba recently, but that’s another story, and hopefully the report for that one won’t take that long to post. I traveled to Cuba to during the summer of ’06, so as soon as I arrived to the Havana International Airport (Jose Marti) I was feeling the heat. Cuba could be so damn hot lol. When we first got off the plane we were greeted by a few officials, but no trolleys for our carry-ons. I remember the vapor coming off the poorly asphalted road that led to the airport terminal. Once inside, I was informed that my visa, that for some strange reason I was suppose to pick up in Cuba, was not there. Thoughts of, man and now what? were going in an out of my head. What a start!!! To make the long story short, the visa miraculously appeared after 1 ½ hours. I left with a feeling that they were phishing for a bribe, but I was determined not to succumb. Once the Visa magically appeared, I proceeded to go through customs, where I was greeted by this A’’hole that made me re-fill the declaration card, but would not provide me a new card, so I had to find another Cuban airport official to help me find a new declaration card. Once correctly filled and 20 mins later, I went back to Mr. A’’hole and handed my declaration card, he proceeded to let me through into the baggage claiming area. Once there, I saw the most conniving things you could do to people at an airport. Baggage were being weighted for Cubans coming from Miami, and while watching the whole episode transpire in front of me, I noticed how the “baggage handling/weighting officials” were often slick enough to sneak their foot and expertly placing them on the scales to put pressure in order to ramp up the weigh of the luggage. This meant higher bills for Cubans at the customs windows. Mind you, the more your baggage weighted, the more you had to pay, and that was calculated on an increasing scale, where 20 pounds overweigh meant that you had to pay more in average than if you were 10 pounds overweigh. WHAT A SCAM!!

The introduction of this report is for those individuals that do not understand why Cuban-Americans, or Cuban-Cubans living in the US might hate the Cuban government and what they stand for. This is just a small glimpse guys, I do not pretend to make a big statement out of this. This is just something that I experienced and saw with indignation with my own eyes! It is intentioned for you to have knowledge of one of the million things that Cubans have to face when they return to their native country.

Ok, enough of that, back to what ppl want to read. I met a semi-pro on 23rd and O (Vedado),while she was hanging out with a guy. Guys, she was a 9-10 so I had to take my chances. I continued to make eye contact with her, until it was obvious that she was interested and I suggested her she joined me in the cafeteria were I was having a beer. After what it seemed an hour to get her to seat with me, she came over my table and sat with me. I immediately asked her if that was her boyfriend/husband (Too many cuties in Cuba for me to deal with that kind of drama) and she rapidly assured me that he was her gay cousin. BTW, He was truly gay, alright, not the kind that was pretended to be and it was a CHULO instead. She then clarified me that it was necessary for her to pretend that they were a couple, otherwise she would get hustled by the police (BTW I speak perfect Cuban LOL). After chatting for a while we agreed to meet the next day and to go to the Copacabana Hotel’s pool. They charged a cover per person that included a couple of drinks and sandwich. What a wonderful day I had. So many sexy girls in that pool, so much eye candy. I have read plenty of reports but they rarely mentioned popular hotel pools as a destination for mongering. Granted, my advice is for you to be there with a chica to begin with.

After the pool session, and a little buzzed from a good bottle of Havana Club, we decided head back to a place in Neptuno in Centro Habana that rents per hour. Negotiated $5 an hour and spent 3 wonderful hours with my new found companion. Later I gave her $5 to get back home and was home free to spend time with other friends. She left with the promise that I would call her to do other things. Her key message was, I have other girlfriends, But that’s another report. I got lucky, without realizing I found a CUBANA that was OK with sharing, and I was deliberating hard to whether if it was worthy or not. I am glad I gave her a “fun” call next morning.

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Puzzo

05-02-08, 07:27

DownUnder

05-03-08, 15:16

Maybe better option would be Sanur-Bali,Indonesia or Kuta night clubs?

Thanks guys for all the help, I'm thinking Havana maybe out. However since I'm on the East coast and it's only a 3 day trip I need something that's only a few hours flight away. Here are some other options and any advice would be great. I've checked the various sections of these places below and can't decide with would be a better fit.

1) San Jose, CR
2) Panama City, PAN
3) Cartagena, COL

DU

BeersTerry

05-03-08, 15:50

Cuba is not the place as cops can spot the 'party girls' a mile away and will arrest/hassle them.

Check out the the Medellin forum. If you want a frat party, a weekend at a place like Aussie Greg's Medellin Mansion is fun. Shooting fish in a barrel. I did start the Medellin Mansion versus VIP thread. Go to the very first page to compare/contrast the party joints.

Puzzo

05-03-08, 23:45

John

05-04-08, 07:04

Thanks guys for all the help, I'm thinking Havana maybe out. However since I'm on the East coast and it's only a 3 day trip I need something that's only a few hours flight away. Here are some other options and any advice would be great. I've checked the various sections of these places below and can't decide with would be a better fit.

1) San Jose, CR
2) Panama City, PAN
3) Cartagena, COL

DU

I think that ideal place for a Bachelor party is Aussie Greg's Medellin Mansion. Plenty of the hottest looking girls in the world are available in Medellin and if you plan it right I am sure Greg can arrange a good time for you.

Mansion is also a comfortable place to stay and has most of the amenities of first world countries. One weird thing about Medellin is that they are closed on one of the Sunday's in a month and it is like holiday for them. Most of the girls are not available on that Sunday so make sure that you are not going there on that Sunday.

John.

World Jockey

05-17-08, 12:19

Ok guys, a question:

I'm looking to make my first tripto the land of forbidden fruit

Well at least to us americans

I live in miami the easier way for me to get to havana is thru Bahamas which is like a stone throw from me

Now I know Cuba does not stamp your passport

However, How do I get the BAHAMASto not stamp it upon exit from nassau to havana and again upon reentry to nassau?

Or any other country I decide to go thru for that matter

Also if any of you have info on a good casa particular or nightlife in havana to visit please post up or PM me the info

Gracias

El Rey De Pollo

05-27-08, 19:45

For those of you contemplating first time visits to Havana:

I am in Havana right now and have been for 5 weeks. Heres the situation: Police presence is heavier than ever, Raul is going crazy on jineterism. Chicas a more scared than ever.

For Spanish speakers, there is much to be had in the field of normal Cuban girls. For non-spanish speakers youre onlñy option is the pros in the discos and with this as an only option, I would go elsewhere.

Have been to Santiago, Camaguey, Holguin etc. and the situation is similar. Heavy police presence and girls do not talk to foreigners unless they speak spanish and even so, they are scared to death.

I love it here and am enjoying myself. Have met many chicas but NONE of them would have been possible if I did not speak decent spanish. Had a friend visit me for two weeks and even though he hunted every day, he got 3 chicas in total, all pros from Casa de la Musica.

Sean EZ

05-28-08, 18:05

Really? My friend recently returned said it wasn't bad and getting better with the recent changes, but he got invited to several "private" or "underground" parties with lots of student girls. Anyone has similar good/bad experiences recently? This thread is dead.

For those of you contemplating first time visits to Havana:

I am in Havana right now and have been for 5 weeks. Heres the situation: Police presence is heavier than ever, Raul is going crazy on jineterism. Chicas a more scared than ever.

For Spanish speakers, there is much to be had in the field of normal Cuban girls. For non-spanish speakers youre onlñy option is the pros in the discos and with this as an only option, I would go elsewhere.

Have been to Santiago, Camaguey, Holguin etc. and the situation is similar. Heavy police presence and girls do not talk to foreigners unless they speak spanish and even so, they are scared to death.

I love it here and am enjoying myself. Have met many chicas but NONE of them would have been possible if I did not speak decent spanish. Had a friend visit me for two weeks and even though he hunted every day, he got 3 chicas in total, all pros from Casa de la Musica.

Member #4167

05-28-08, 18:17

However, How do I get the BAHAMAS to not stamp it upon exit from nassau to havana and again upon reentry to nassau?

GraciasThe bahamians have to stamp your passport.

mexico does not stamp your passport.

When going thru cancun, I would fly on Cubana, because Mexicana routinely shares passenger manifests of Cuba travellers with the US government.

Sean EZ

05-29-08, 00:05

The bahamians have to stamp your passport.

mexico does not stamp your passport.

When going thru cancun, I would fly on Cubana, because Mexicana routinely shares passenger manifests of Cuba travellers with the US government.

Mexico routinely stamps passports, although some people got away with a bribe. Who told you Mexicana shares manifests? There have not been OFAC fines issued in the past year to my knowledge.

Member #4167

05-29-08, 14:29

Mexico routinely stamps passports, although some people got away with a bribe. Who told you Mexicana shares manifests? There have not been OFAC fines issued in the past year to my knowledge.I believe that right on Mexicana's website, it says that Mexicana shares manifests. I recommend flying Cubana Airlines, as other carriers occasionally report US tourists to the government. As a side note: all canadian airlines share manifests of cuban trips (basically any canadian trip which flies thru US airspace.) You can also verify this by doing a web search. I do not know whether or not anyone has been busted via mexicana's reporting arrangement.

As for the stamping of passports issue, I was mistaken: Mexico DOES in fact stamp passports on entry. However, they do not stamp passports on exit. However, don't worry about the mexican stamps. It is not big deal.

Be grateful that Cuba does not stamp passports.

Member #4167

05-29-08, 14:47

Heres the situation: Police presence is heavier than ever, Raul is going crazy on jineterism. Chicas a more scared than ever.This is true

For Spanish speakers, there is much to be had in the field of normal Cuban girls. For non-spanish speakers youre only option is the pros in the discos and with this as an only option, I would go elsewhere.I agree that spanish speaking skills is a huge plus. I would add that even the normal cuban girls are still afraid to talk to foreigners. This is for two reasons: 1) if they are in their local community and are seen talking to a foreigner the rumors will spread that they are a jintera. 2) The police will still hassle them. (a community is defined as: either in a small town - or a neighborbhood community in a big city)

Have been to Santiago, Camaguey, Holguin etc. and the situation is similar. Heavy police presence and girls do not talk to foreigners unless they speak spanish and even so, they are scared to death.I do not understand your logic: If the girl is afraid of the police, why would the foreigner's spanish language skills make any difference?

Had a friend visit me for two weeks and even though he hunted every day, he got 3 chicas in total, all pros from Casa de la Musica.I have had similar experiences in Havana. You have to do alot of legwork to find a sex-partner. Plus the prices are higher.

Cuba used to be easy to find a sex partner. You could have a different one every night. Now it is much more difficult. The new business model is this: find one girl and she is your girlfreind for your entire stay. This fits in with the the new restrictions against jinterismo. If you are looking for a different girl every night, go to another country.

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Member #4167

05-29-08, 15:11

I prefer to find girls on my own. I have passable spanish-speaking skills. However, many of the girls were reluctant to talk to me directly, for fear of drawing police scrutiny, and for fear of their neighbors gossiping that they are a jintera/*****.

Having been turned away so much in the streets, sometimes I got desperate and enlisted the aid of a helper. This turned out nearly always to be bad idea for the following reasons:

1. The helper would always drive up prices by arranging a deal separately with the girl ("charge the gringo $40 - you keep $30 and give me a $10 commission")

2. They would bring me girls who didn't posses my preferred body type.

3. They failed to come thru with any chicas, or they arrived hours late.

4. The pimp/chulo would insist that we all sit down at a bar before doing the deed. The pimp/helper would then proceed to drink and eat at my expense and talk non-stop about themselves, become the center of attention and monopolize the conversation making it hard to to talk to the chica.

Most of the time these "helpers" were a waste of time and did more harm than good. I will never again sit down at a table or buy a beer for a cuban pimp/helper.

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BeersTerry

05-30-08, 02:14

It is not illegal for an Cubana to fall in love with a foreigner. It is illegal for a Cubana to sell sex to a foreigner. Hence, if you speak spanish, you can sell the former to the police but not the latter.

Sean EZ

05-30-08, 03:27

With this whole crackdown thing, is age being a factor? If you are walking with a girl within 5-10 years your age range vs 20-30 years does it make it less likely that the cops will think she is prostituting herself?

As a side note: all canadian airlines share manifests of cuban trips (basically any canadian trip which flies thru US airspace.)
Does it make a difference if you are reported or not? I've been reading various boards and it seems like they don't bust anyone these days, and OFAC doesn't issue fine letters anymore.

Be grateful that Cuba does not stamp passports.
Do you have to ask for it or they just know not to?

Kdogg21

05-30-08, 11:50

With this whole crackdown thing, is age being a factor? If you are walking with a girl within 5-10 years your age range vs 20-30 years does it make it less likely that the cops will think she is prostituting herself?

Does it make a difference if you are reported or not? I've been reading various boards and it seems like they don't bust anyone these days, and OFAC doesn't issue fine letters anymore.

Do you have to ask for it or they just know not to?

If you look like a tourist, even with a close age they will hassle the girls. i was just and Santiago and the crackdowns were happening in the parks. Girls sitting in the parks were aasked for ID, if they didn't have any they were taken away.

Homeland security will do crackdowns from time to time, you do not want to be on the list for flights from Canada to Cuba.

You have to ask to get your passport stamped, they as a rule on stamp the tourist card, not the passport.

Member #4167

05-30-08, 15:25

If you look like a tourist, even with a close age they will hassle the girls. i was just and Santiago and the crackdowns were happening in the parks. Girls sitting in the parks were aasked for ID, if they didn't have any they were taken away.

Kdogg is right. I might add that IT is nearly 100% impossible to avoid looking like a foreigner. cubans are experts at knowing who is a tourist/extranjero and who is not.

Homeland security will do crackdowns from time to time, you do not want to be on the list for flights from Canada to Cuba.

You have to ask to get your passport stamped, they as a rule on stamp the tourist card, not the passport.[/QUOTE]Kdogg is right on both accounts.

Steve Frankfurt

05-30-08, 16:42

Hello,

Can somebody recommend a good and chica friendly casa in Havana.

Please pm me.

Gracias

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Sean EZ

05-30-08, 17:46

Homeland security will do crackdowns from time to time, you do not want to be on the list for flights from Canada to Cuba.

Crazy.. so what if you get caught, you just admit you went to Cuba? If OFAC doesn't fine anymore what's a big deal then?

Kdogg21

05-30-08, 22:28

Crazy.. so what if you get caught, you just admit you went to Cuba? If OFAC doesn't fine anymore what's a big deal then?

I don't know I am Canadian, I do know that they did catch a bunch of people at the border returning to the US when the first started getting the lists. You would have to check with the laws in the US.

Member #4167

06-02-08, 17:27

I spent over a month in Cuba visiting many parts of the island both the Oriente and the Occidente.

In cuba, the minimum wage is 250 pesos/month (CUC$10/month). The average wage is between 400-500 pesos/month (CUC$16 - CUC$20/month.)

1 CUC = .9 Canadian Dollars / .8 US Dollars. Despite the low wages, many cubans are well-fed, many are overweight. They nearly all dress well in new, clean clothes. Given these low wages, one would expect bargain rates for P4P (for example, pay a weeks salary for P4P = $2.50) . I encountered the opposite.

There are two ways to pay for sex:
1. Prostitution = (Pure P4P)
2. Jiniteras = (she is your girlfriend - and you she demands you reward her with gifts/money)

Prostitution (Pure P4P): The stiff prison sentences for prostitution have driven the supply down, and the prices up. Per capita, there are far fewer prostitutes visible on the street in any given Cuban city than in a north american city of similar size. Except for one nite in Cienfuegos, I did not see a city with hoards of prostitutes lining the street.

Given it’s size, Havana has a dearth of prostitutes (only visited the main coastal barrios) Cienfuegos has a dearth of prostitutes most nites, but some weekend nites it is boomtown. Given it's low wages, Cuba has way fewer prostitutes than one would expect.

Cuba is a land of limited choices. If you want a P4P Provider, your pimp/chulo will do an hour of searching and present you with one, saying something like: "here is the only one available tonite: a 32 year old overweight mulatta. Oh yeah and the price is $45. " Your options are limited. You have no room to bargain. By the way, during the initial meet & greet, many of the prostitutes I was presented were frightened – scared to death. This was a big turn off and caused me to decline much P4P.

P4P Prices: To put it aptly: as someone on this forum once said "Cuba is a third world country with first world prices. " I have seen prices from $30 to $100 in Havana. And from $30 to $50 in Cienfuegos. This is cheaper than escort prices in north america ($120. $200+), but still more expensive than the budget options available in other Latin American countries.

Jiniteras: I have heard from the retired providers themselves, that tourists encounter a girl and have sex with her without negotiating a price beforehand. Out of the kindness of the heart, they routinely pay $100 as a parting gift, plus $10. $30 cab fare.

VOLUNTARILY paying $140 for a night of passion in Cuba? The retired jiniteras have told me that they giggle at the stupidity of their "clients" and call us suckers and chumps.

Also: a Cubana pay $30 for cab fare? Or even $10? Believe me, she'll walk, hitchhike or take the bus and pocket the money.

By the way, in order to pay for her crack habit, a streetwalker in the USA has to session 3-5 times a day (100 – 150 sessions a month) You pay a cubana prostitute $40 and she and her boyfriend/husband/pimp can live well for a month. Since a cubana prostitute only has to work once a month, this greatly decreases the supply of available "sessions, " ruining it for all of us.

If the cubana charged $10 per trick, she would have all the business she could handle. She could easily do 4 tricks a day, 5 days a week, 4 weeks per month, she would earn $800 per month. A common theme in the Cuban business model is: "maximize the profit per transaction and not the total profits. "

However, this "high volume" business model does not currently exist in Cuba due to the prison sentences for prostitution with foreigners. If she turns 80 tricks a month, everyone in town will gossip about her, and the local CDR will report her to the police. She would be jailed very quickly. I have heard this explanation over and again from the local cubans.

As I have said earlier, the business model has moved from straight P4P to the jinitera or "temporary girlfriend" model. This involves less legal risks for the cubana. That having been said, a person who gives/spends (in gifts, clothing, outright cash) $50/day or $350 per week to a jinitera is way overpaying! He is giving her and her boyfriend/husband/pimp enough money to live comfortably for several months. She stays off the market for several months and we all suffer with reduced supply.

Guys, please STOP OVERPAYING your jiniteras/Pros. You are ruining it for yourself and for the rest of us.

Don't get me wrong, I love Cuba and will be going back. The preferred business model seems to be the "short term girlfriend" (jinitera). With decent spanish, alot of legwork, many no shows, and hearing many "NOs", you can land one after several days to a week of persistent effort. Jiniteras require a good deal of skill and effort in order to be managed, or else they wind up managing you (after all the name jinitera means: 'the one who rides the horse')

Member #4167

06-04-08, 16:40

Ok, so now you've found the girl and you need a place to have sex with her. Given it's urban density, La Habana does not offer many hidden, private spots for car sex. Besides, the sex in a car is hurried and cramped. I doubt that a pro would go for it, because if a fiana (police cruiser) rolls up and she gets caught it's straight to prison for her. She wants to get off the street as soon as possible.

Registering: Will She or Won't She?

There are three types of girls:

Normal Cubanas.

Normal Cubanas with a government job.

Prostitutes or Jiniteras with a Record.

Normal cubanas could care less about registering.

Normal Cubanas with a sensitive government job risk losing there job if they register with a foreigner, thus they are loathe to register.

Prostitutes or Jiniteras with a Record are also loathe to register.

I thought all cubanas would be unwilling to register. I was surprised to find that normal cubanas were hardly bothered by having to register.

The Room:

You need a room to bang her in. You have three options:

1. Get a Hotel Room and register her (you MAY be able to bribe a guard. But don't count on this)

2. Get a Legal Casa Particular and sneak her in late at nite

3. Get an Illegal Casa Particular and no registration is necessary.

As far as your rights and obligations are concerned, a Hotel room = Legal Casa Particular (CP). The law states that every cubana must be registered. If the owner breaks the law he will pay a huge fine of $1000. $1500 CUC, or lose his casa.

Fact 1: everyone on your block is jealous that the owner of a CP is making big bucks by renting to tourists.

Fact 2: all cubans love to gossip. Who needs to pay police informants, when the cubans will gladly inform for free?

Fact 3: The risks of $1000-$1500 are huge, the reward for not registering is small.

If you owned a CP, would you let an unregistered girl slip in?

Legal Casa Particulars and Hotel Rooms.

The supposed existence of "legal casas particulars that do not require you to register the girl" is a great myth. All legal casas will require you to register the girl if she spends more than an hour there. I have not found a legal casa that does not require you to register a girl.

There are legal casas which do not require you to register a girl who is a visitor of one hour or less. My casero (casa owner) in Habana was a real stickler and had me register everyone. (Everyone that he caught, that is).

On the phone, the casa owner will tell you that it is OK to bring in girls for an hour without registering. This is a lie to get your business. Later on, when you present the girl, the story changes.

Illegal Casa Particulars

About illegal casa particulars: I have heard, but not confirmed, that if you use an illegal casa particular as your home base, that your stuff can be stolen by the casero (innkeeper) and you have no recourse. One option is to have a legal casa as your home base, keep your luggage there and then rent a short-time illegal casa for a sexual liasion.

Personally, I do not know of any, but there are illegal casas in Habana. For cubans, the price is $1. $2 for 1-2 hours. For extranjeros, the price is $5 for a 2 hour session. Try to get by with paying $2, but pay no more than $5. To find one, ask the girl, ask a taxista, or ask a man on the street. Cubans LOVE to give advice/directions (for free) and will gladly steer you in the right direction. Just be sure that they tell you HOW to get to the place, and they don't take you to the casa. If they take you there, they are entitled to a commission, and this drives up your price.

By the way, if you want to save money and inconvenience, you do not need to stay in a hotel the first few nites. Casa Particulars are cheaper and offer a better value. At the border, all they need is the name and address of a legal casa particular and/or hotel. Either will suffice.

Your best bet is to rent a legal casa. Pay the extra money to rent a full apartment, with a private entrance, in which you can sneak the girl in after dark.

For a private apartment in La Habana you will pay CUC $30. $45. For $35 CUC you can get a nice, modernish place with a seperate living room and independent entrance.

Good sites:

http://www.casaparticulars.com
www.cubaparticular.com (many of the same properties)

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El Rey De Pollo

06-04-08, 22:15

Water Boy,

Thanks for your detailed update on life and jineterisma in Havana. I have to say, though, that I find much of your info incorrect.

[QUOTE=Water Boy]
The supposed existence of "legal casas particulars that do not require you to register the girl" is a great myth. All legal casas will require you to register the girl if she spends more than an hour there. I have not found a legal casa that does not require you to register a girl.
QUOTE]

'Myth' is a strong word. And plain wrong. I have stayed in several casas in different parts of Havana that couldn't care less if I brought home one or ten girls and if they stayed 10 minutes or ten hours. And the owners have seen me many times enter with chicas. I also know several other people who have stayed under the same conditions. Don't call it a myth because you somehow managed not to find one. There are many! (lack of documentation prevents me from using the word 'hundreds' instead of many).

El Rey De Pollo

06-04-08, 22:23

Jiniteras: I have heard from the retired providers themselves, that tourists encounter a girl and have sex with her without negotiating a price beforehand. Out of the kindness of the heart, they routinely pay $100 as a parting gift, plus $10. $30 cab fare.

I take it you are using these prices as the example of idiot-tourists running up prices? I never talk price prior to sex (9 out of 10 girls do not bring it up - then again I never go for hardcore pros, and most of these will). If the girl asks more than 50 I laugh. Most times (I would say 7-8 out of 10) they accept 30 and the negotiators make it to 40. This is my rule number one: 40 is maximum, no exceptions.

If the cubana charged $10 per trick, she would have all the business she could handle. She could easily do 4 tricks a day, 5 days a week, 4 weeks per month, she would earn $800 per month. A common theme in the Cuban business model is: "maximize the profit per transaction and not the total profits. "

Your calculations are correct and makes sense for visitors looking for prostitutes. Yes, why not fuck more men and make more pesos? For visitors who love Cuba exactly because life is NOT like that, I hope this never changes. For me it is a way bigger kick to pick up a 'normal' girl who is just walking to a party with an amiga and take her home than to hit the hardcore streetwalkers. But I guess it's a matter of different tastes. I love Cuba because 80% of all girls can be turned into a hooker for one night - not because 80% are hookers.

El Rey De Pollo

06-04-08, 22:33

[QUOTE=Water Boy]
I do not understand your logic: If the girl is afraid of the police, why would the foreigner's spanish language skills make any difference?
QUOTE]

Simple: If a girl is contacted by a foreigner who:
1. Speaks Spanish
2. Shows signs of knowing the Cuban ropes
She will have way greater faith that this person will make the nearby policeofficer trust that he allready knows her (whether that be as friends, novios, friend of her bigger brother etc.)

A first-time tourist with no Spanish speaking skills will never in a million years be able to help her. If she speaks with him the police will definately label her as a jinetera.

Because I speak decent Spanish and because I know (without being an expert who can't fail and be wrong) exactly what the cop will ask her and me when he arrives - I am a much safer bet for a Cuban girl to talk to than some guy who has been two days in Havana and who can only say hola and cerveza.

Member #4167

06-05-08, 00:37

'Myth' is a strong word. And plain wrong. I have stayed in several casas in different parts of Havana that couldn't care less if I brought home one or ten girls and if they stayed 10 minutes or ten hours. And the owners have seen me many times enter with chicas. TG,

My experience was based upon 1 Casa Particular in Habana and many other CPs throughout Cuba. Perhaps Legal CPs in Habana are less restrictive ?

Perhaps I have had extremely bad luck, but I have not found a legal casa that does not require you to register a girl. I hope I have just had bad luck, and you have better luck. Legal CPs that do not require you to register a girl are valuable.

But, are we talking about the same thing here?

1. The issue at hand is whether or not the girl is required to register.

2. We you staying in LEGAL (that is licensed and registered) casa particulars?

3. You say it is OK by the casa manager, to bring in one to ten girls, for one to ten hours, but can the girl stay without registering?

PS - if you know of legal CPs, anywhere in Habana that do not require registration of the girl, I would love to have a list of them for my next visit. Can I hit you up for names via PM?

Thank You

Rock Harders

06-05-08, 02:48

Mongers-
I tend to agree more with the observations of "Travelling Gringo" than with those of "Water Boy" at least in my experience. I did not fuck a single hard core hooker during my stay in Havana; all were local girls from the Centro Havana area that the owner of my Casa Particular arranged. Essentially any girl I saw on the street that I liked the owner was willing to ask her if she wanted to make a few bucks; 85%-90% of the girls asked accepted. "Water Boy" IS correct in his point that normal girls had no problem whatsoever agreeing to register, although the owner of the house told them they had to register, I do not think he ever actually registered them. A few of the girls I was with were the cousins of the owner and he definitely did not register them.
"Water Boy" is also accurate in that the normal girls are generally hesitant to be seen alone with you out on the street, at least in my experience. I went out a few times with the owner, his friends and some of the girls and it was no problem. However, hanging out, drinking rum and fucking all within the house is no problem also, so it all worked out. As for prices, I offered 30/40 CUC each time and the girls accepted it without hesitation and did not ask for any additional "gifts" after the fact. Keep in mind here that I'm 25 and speak fluent Spanish, so YMMV.
On another note, I think the next time I go to Cuba (maybe in a few months) I will rent an entire house with a pool in Miramar or Vedado and have the owner of the casa particular I stayed at in December stock the pond with some regular chicas looking to party (and for some CUC) just to make things more comfortable.
Suerte,
Rock Harders

BeersTerry

06-05-08, 14:37

We all (should) know that the casa owner has to register the guests as WaterBoy suggests.

That the casa owner is willing to take a risk is his/her decision. This may be based on an understanding of current conditions, an understanding with the police or an understanding with the casa inspector.

I know a few casa owners, one who will rent to gringos for short term purposes without registering. He told me when the guy has a chica in his room, he stays up all night. When the chica leaves, he makes sure that she is not stealing from him and checks with the gringo. If there is a knock at the door, he has an emergency exit in another part of the house. He only sleeps once the chica has left. He does this because he wants/needs the money but he does not rent to gringos all the time. Anyone who does not follow the rules during a crackdown is taking huge risks.

I have stayed in hotels, legal casas, friends apartments in Havana and I have stayed in friends family houses in el campo without issue. When I stayed in a friend's apartment in Havana, everyone was careful not to let the neighbours know what was going on.

There is still the 3 strikes rule for chicas and tourists.
The police can usually tell if a chica is from there or not, that is if they are not shaking the chica down.

Member #4167

06-05-08, 17:45

Crazy.. so what if you get caught, you just admit you went to Cuba? If OFAC doesn't fine anymore what's a big deal then?
In all the years of the travel restrictions, up until the Bush 2 administration, very few people had been prosecuted. The Office of Foreign Assets Control in the Treasury Department said in 1999 that there have been only 16 criminal prosecutions for nine violations since 1983. Since 2001, the number has gone up, and prosecutions are much more numerous, with hefty fines imposed of $6,000 to $10,000. The penalties on record are stiff: $250,000 fine and up to 10 years in the pen, but until fairly recently fines have been minimal. Traveler, beware! The situation has gotten to the point where people are getting together to create a legal defense organization to defend the right to travel.

[snip]

When you travel via Cancun, you pass customs in the US. Via Canada, you pass US customs in Canada, but they seem more reasonable and less apt to 'tag' you. Do not bring cigars back, they are very illegal... and if you've been bad and have asked the Cubans and the Mexicans not to stamp your passport (bribing the Mexicans with $20 folded into your passport, although some say that is not necessary), then be sure to tell the truth if later on a US Customs agent asks you where you've been. It's a worse sin (a felony) to lie to a federal officer than to go to Cuba without a license, which is punished by fines, typically hefty these days. Be aware that you have to ask both the Cubans and the Mexicans to not stamp your passport or they will. The Cubans will honor this request for free...

Note: there have been reports of people being fined even though they did not bring anything back with them from Cuba or give themselves away in an obvious manner.... This is true even through Mexico, where they have been known to give the US the passenger manifests...See the full article at http://www.afrocubaweb.com/travelcuba.htm

El Rey De Pollo

06-06-08, 11:03

TG,

My experience was based upon 1 Casa Particular in Habana and many other CPs throughout Cuba. Perhaps Legal CPs in Habana are less restrictive ?

Absolutely. Havana differs from every other city in Cuba. I have never found a legal casa outside Cuba that does not register girls (carnet AND name in book - the latter is the real problem for the girls).

Well, I once overpaeyd for a casa in Bayamo to make the guy forget about carnet and signing in (price was 20, offered 35). The guy was a nervous wreck for the first 2 days. Then when he realized I only had girls over for 1-2 hour sessions he got all into it and encouraged me to go out and find girl. 'No chica oy? Que pasa?'

Havana is different. I am sure because there are too many casas for the immigración to keep regular control. I have stayed in casas in Havana for many months in total and have never seen immigración stop by.

Legal CPs that do not require you to register a girl are valuable.

These are plentyful. In sdome of the casas I have been in, I don't even bother to bring up the subject if the entrance is totally private. Many of these casas owner want to follow the law, so if you ask them directly they will say 'si, carnet, claro!', but they would in fact rather live knowing nothing. They would rather have discreet guests who bring in chicas quietly. Hear no evil, see no evil.

Even when I stay in casas that have told me directly that it is no problem, I always keep a low profile. I still smuggle in the girl quietly and only talk on the terrace or in my bedroom. This is out of respect for the owners and the risks they are taking. If immigración ever stopped by when I had a girl, I would always say that 'yes, I have been instructed to register this girl, but I smuggled her in without the family knowing'.

But, are we talking about the same thing here?

1. The issue at hand is whether or not the girl is required to register.

2. We you staying in LEGAL (that is licensed and registered) casa particulars?

3. You say it is OK by the casa manager, to bring in one to ten girls, for one to ten hours, but can the girl stay without registering?

PS - if you know of legal CPs, anywhere in Habana that do not require registration of the girl, I would love to have a list of them for my next visit. Can I hit you up for names via PM?

Thank You

Yes, same thing. Legal casas with the sign outsider the door. Yes, they can stay without registering.

I don't keep a list. I have one sacret casa that I only share with very few for several reasons: 1) I don't want to send anybody there and risk destroying their lenient policy on girls and 2) they only accept guests for at least one month, so they only have regulars and are right now booked beyond christmas.

BUT... Many of the casaproviders, if not all, will respond positively to an e-mail in which you ask for casas that does not register girls. Yes, they might fool you to get the business, but then you just leave and find another. I have been giving many casas to pick from (that do not register) and until now have not been fooled.