Havana

[Kalifornication]

The general license is still in effect.

If you are asked where you have been, plead the Fifth. Tell them to spaek to your lawyer. There are many lawyers who handle these issues pro se.

Also there is a good equal protection argument in that cuban americans are permitted to go once every three years (not enough!) and other americans are not permitted to go except for permitted reasons. Hmmmm, so much for your fundamental right of travel.

Customs will do nothing when you plead the fifth. Why? Because they will respect your intelligence and they will also know they will be able to prove nothing. Unless they intend to commit precious resources, which they will not. Because thy will lose.



The link is outdated, probably more than 5-6 years old - the general license to visit family no longer applies as far as I know. Also you don't need to ask cubans not to stamp your passport, everyone said they only stamp your visa form.

Everyone who goes to Cuba does so illegally. Few people get caught however. But going to Cuba is taking a chance nevertheless. Personally if asked directly if I went to Cuba I would say yes, I would never lie to a government official.

[Donnylad]

Hi guys. Couldn't resist putting in my 2 cents worth about casas. I also want to apologise for the lack of my report on 2 weeks stay in Cuba in late March/early April. Sheer lazniess but it will appear soon.

Firstly, I would agree with the Rick Harders camp. As he provided details of the casa he stayed at in Havana, I met up with the owner on arrival. The room was inappropriate for me so he set me up at a friend's place along the same street. All I was told was that chicks weren't a problem as long as it wasn't TLN. At this point, I would say that the whole idea of not having a key to the casa was a surprise to me. It was only remotely a problem in Havana, as the family were visiting an ill relative and a couple of times I was left waiting at the door for someone to return home.

Anyway, in a nut shell, it appears that casas in Havana and Santiago are more lenient on girls having to 'punto'. The other thing that came up, mainly in Santa Clara, was that legal casas that do punto the girls, they are only allowed to do so with one girl per rent and not per night. Is this normal? It was such an issue that I ended up getting 2 casas for the 2 days I was there, despite having paid the first casa for 2 days already. I presume the situation was the same in Cienfuegos but I didn't get to find out as no chica was prepared to register there. Various locals told me that Cienfuegos is particularly strict with girls who do register. Don't know if this is true.

The other thing I read that rang true was that the old guy at the casa in Santiago always stayed up till the girl left. The same happened in Havana. Towards the end of my stay in Havana, it appeared the owner was getting troubled about me bringing women back, but was still cool about it really. Finally, I want to say that I never got the feeling that I had to sneak girls in quietly at all. Although various people talked about the informant thing in relation to nosey neighbours. By the way, I'm happy to provide info on casas in Havana/Santiago/Santa Clara/Cienfuegos if anyone wants to PM me.

The rest will be in the report.

Good luck,

Donnylad

[Member #4167]

Donnylad,

I am just making sure: Are you saying that you could bring in as many girls as you wanted WITHOUT having to register them?


they are only allowed to do so with one girl per rent and
not per night. Is this normal? yes. this is why you never pay the whole rent in advance.


I presume the situation was the same in Cienfuegos but I didn't get to find out as no chica was prepared to register there. Various locals told me that Cienfuegos is particularly strict with girls who do register. Don't know if this is true. This is 100% True. Cienfuegos girls WILL NOT REGISTER. The action in Cienfuegos is 100% hardcore pros, and you have to rent an illegal casa at $5 - $10. (By the way $10 is a ridiculous rip-off, the girl is getting most of that moeny, the cubans themselves pay $1) You can probably do well by paying $5 (I am sure the girl still gets a cut).

I look forward to your report Donnylad, Good luck

[Donnylad]

Hi there. As promised, this is a report of my trip to Cuba in late March/early April. It was just under 2 weeks long and took in Santiago, Santa Clara and Cienfuegos. I will put the appropriate sections in the different threads. As I had 2 separate spells in Havana, I will put these both together now. Apologies if some of the details have been lost due to the length of time passed.

Day 1 - Mon - Arrived in the evening. Didn't get settled into my casa until about 10pm. Went straight out for some food with the original casa owner, who had arranged my place. He is quite a character. I had already talked to him about a girl. He showed me one whom he said Rock Harders had been annoyed not to have had due to time issues. She was young and quite special, but wanted 60 or more CUC, which was out of my budget. He seemed to suggest that all girls were generally this price. Anyway, after some food on the Prado, I grabbed a cab whom my new friend seemed to know. They took me around quite a bit looking for a girl. I think we ended up at a church somewhere, trying to dodge police. They assured me there was a girl in the churchyard and the driver got out. Soon he returned with this young girl. I couldn't really talk to her as much as I normally do to sort things out. I think we just agreed on 30 CUC for 1 hr. Back at the casa she was quiet and shy. She was early 20's and had a kid I remember. Anyway, her service was decent and did everything I wanted except for anal. Can't remember if she did COF or not.

Day 2 - Tues - Between the sightseeing I tried to find girls around town but it was damned near impossible. I remember coming across a young, slender black girl in the Plaza Mayor. Despite serious police presence she seemed to gesture towards me to talk to her. I tried acting cool, but by the time I tried looking for her she'd gone. I regretted this later. Despite returning here a couple more times during my stay, I saw no one else of interest there again.

In the early evening I ended up at a dodgy bar near Floridita and practically next to Bar Montserrat. As soon as I entered an older, larger black woman started talking to me and got me set at a table. Soon she was talking to me and sitting there. I was practically bullied into buying a drink for her and soon she was flirting with me. Anyway, one thing led to another and in desperation I agreed she would come to my casa for 30 CUC for an hour. We shared a cigar too and had a couple of drinks before getting a taxi.

Back at the casa things were cool. Again she did everything except for anal. I think I went out later but found nothing.

Day 3 - Wed - Again more sightseeing and girl hunting during the day with no success. I think I checked out Vedado and Malecon that day too. That evening I took a bicitaxi on a rip off rate of 10 CUC per hr. He took me to various areas, including around Casa de la Musica. Apparently the police had cracked down recently. We spoke to a few girls bu the price was never right. We curiously met a lesbian pimp and a one handed bicitaxi driver/pimp. It was the latter who arranged a meet with a light-skinned, brunette who was mid 30's. She agreed on everything except anal for 30 CUC. Ended up having to pay my bicitaxi for 2 hrs and the one-handed guy for taking her to my casa. He wanted a tip too, but I don't think I paid one. The casa owner wasn't happy with us all being outside the place at that time. The next problem was that she didn't have her carnet, which was a major issue for the owner. Thankfully he agreed to give her a ride back to her place to pick it up. I paid him a tip for that I think.

Finally we started. Like the other girls and most of the ones I had in future, she was unshaven down there. She was really passionate and DFK'd too. Her oral was pretty impressive. I kept her no. to contact her when I returned again. We agreed she would try anal next time for 40.

Day 4 - Thurs - Left earlyish next morning for Santa Clara. The report for that segment is in the appropriate thread.

[Donnylad]

Day 11 - Coach from Cienfuegos was delayed so didn't get in till about 11pm. That dashed any plans to get a woman in Havana.

Day 12 - Fri - Searching for women during the day again drew a blank. This included an outdoor bar in Vedado where apparently chicks do hang about. I tried calling the girl from a week ago but some guy kept answering and I couldn't speak to her. I finally got hold of her and we met up. We agreed on what we had before and got a taxi. Back at my place we showered together and she shaved down there. The service wasn't quite as good as I remembered from the last time but was ok. Anal didn't work too well either.

The Bar Montserrat area was quiet again in the evening. I hit the Casa de la Musica area, thinking there might be some local chicks but none showed. A bicitaxi from the area said he knew a chick around there. After waiting a while for him, he showed up with a largish, young black girl. She was mid 20's and agreed to all except anal for 20 or 30. I was desperate so I took it. She wasn't too bad from what I recall but not amazing.

Day 13 - Sat - My last day and I was allowed to move my stuff into another room and not pay anything extra which was nice. The owner jokingly made it clear there would be no women allowed there. I tried various places where I could use another room but no girls showed up so that was the end.


Hope this has helped in some way.

DL

[Member #4167]

She was young and quite special, but wanted 60 or more CUC, which was out of my budget. He seemed to suggest that all girls were generally this price.
We spoke to a few girls bu the price was never right.
meet with a light-skinned, brunette who was mid 30's. She agreed on everything except anal for 30 CUC. This is typical pricing of Havana. 60CUC for a 9, 30CUC for a 6


They took me around quite a bit looking for a girl. I think we ended up at a church somewhere, trying to dodge police.Typical Cuba, everything is a big ordeal. Search, search and search.


30 CUC for 1 hr. Back at the casa she was quiet and shy. She was early 20's Nice find! good price.


Day 2 - Tues - Between the sightseeing I tried to find girls around town but it was damned near impossible. I guess this means that Havana isnt flooded with pros, right ?



As soon as I entered an older, larger black woman started talking to me and got me set at a table. Soon she was talking to me and sitting there. I was practically bullied into buying a drink for her Same thing happened to me. The nasty older providers are overly-aggressive. The young cute ones are elusive.

[El Cubanito]

Waterboy and Donny when you guys are looking for girl in Havana, are you guys on foot? If you want to score action everyday all you need is a car to meet girls in Havana. Guys if you have a car you can pick up girls like crazy. If you have a car and drive to Santa Maria Beach you can pick up a hotie like Carla. She is real sweet . I met Carla in March along the Via Blanca standing at the Red Light. She asked me if I was going to the beach and I said yes. The rest as they say is history. The picture does not do her justice. She is real pretty and her service was great all day. Took her out to Lunch and dinner that day at Santa Maria, cost for service was 40 CUC, plus a ride back to her home.

Enjoy pick gentleman, but this is the kind of action you will get if you have a car.

[Donnylad]

Thanks Cubanito. I wouldn't have the courage to get a car there. I used taxis or bicitaxis most of the time. I did take a trip in a taxi to the beaches. Santa Maria is one of 3 to the east of Havana right? Saw quite a few local chicks but none that seemed like theyd be available. Well done to you though.

DL

[Member #4167]

Waterboy and Donny when you guys are looking for girl in Havana, are you guys on foot?

Enjoy pick gentleman, but this is the kind of action you will get if you have a car.Never had a car in Habana. I was on foot there. I had a car while I was in the provincias. I did pick up hitchers. Out of the dozens of hitchers I picked up, one gave me her number, but she had plans at the time and due to previous commitments, I couldn't reconnect with her later on. The other hitchers I picked up, said they had boyfriends/husbands or had some place to go at the time (I suppose that's why they were looking for a ride! ).

I had a car in Holguin & Bayamo, but I ditched it. In Holguin & Bayamo, it was easier to connect and talk with girls on foot.

A car adds to your costs: 45 CUC/day for 7 days for a sub-sub-compact. Your daily costs come to: 45 car + 20 food + 40 jinitera + 25 Casa + 40 drinks/misc = 170 CUC/day.

A car is good if you are travelling all over the countryside. If you are in a city for a while, it becomes a liability. You have to park it and worry about it or hire a guy to watch it. BTW. The going rate to watch your car is 1-2 CUCs.

Cuba is an amazing country: some young guy will watch your car for 8 hours to earn a measly dollar. Yet a young girl charges 40 CUC to watch your pinga for 8 hours!

Driving in Cuba is interesting. The autopista nacional is nearly deserted. In the cities there are ZERO roadsigns. I always got lost coming to/from Habana (especially from the airport). When driving in Cuba you typically have to stop every 2 km and ask someone directions. The other option is to give a lift to a local who will steer you in the right direction. I was giving so many rides to people, I felt like a taxi service.

As for Bicitaxis. In Habana they are a RIP OFF. I will walk a mile before I use one of them in Habana ever again. In the provincias, the guys are reasonable.

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[Member #4167]

Cubanito, do you think that by hiring a taxi, one could accomplish the same results as if one had his own rental car?

While in Habana, I hired a taxista one nite to do an exploration of the cities providers. I asked the taxista to drive me around and find me a provider. We went all over town for several hours and I bargained with several providers. I have my doubts about using a "finder" (i.e. the taxista). I think that at times they a) jack up the price to get a cut and b) they purposely steer you AWAY from the majority of the girls, preferring to steer you to girls where they know they can be sure to get their commission, or get a higher commission. I told the guys that I would do my own bargaining. I posted the prices and results of my survey earlier this year.

I would have thought that finding a pro in Habana would be easy. The taxista stopped at the Casa De La Musica on Galiano and talked to a bouncer there, inquiring as to who in the large crowd outside who was a provider. I was informed that there were only two providers that nite, only one was attractive. She initially asked for $100 and after I got done laughing, I eventually bargained her down to $50. However, this was my first find of the evening, I felt that the price was a bit high for Habana, and thought I could do better, so I moved on to get more results for my survey.

In retrospect, I think my best choice would have been to exit the cab at the Casa De La Musica on Galiano and to have worked the crowd myself for semi-pros/jiniteras. Find a girl, pay her cover and buy her drinks.

What do you think?

[El Cubanito]

Never had a car in Habana. I was on foot there. I had a car while I was in the provincias. I did pick up hitchers. Out of the dozens of hitchers I picked up, one gave me her number, but she had plans at the time and due to previous commitments, I couldn't reconnect with her later on. The other hitchers I picked up, said they had boyfriends/husbands or had some place to go at the time (I suppose that's why they were looking for a ride! ).

I had a car in Holguin & Bayamo, but I ditched it. In Holguin & Bayamo, it was easier to connect and talk with girls on foot.

A car adds to your costs: 45 CUC/day for 7 days for a sub-sub-compact. Your daily costs come to: 45 car + 20 food + 40 jinitera + 25 Casa + 40 drinks/misc = 170 CUC/day.

A car is good if you are travelling all over the countryside. If you are in a city for a while, it becomes a liability. You have to park it and worry about it or hire a guy to watch it. BTW. The going rate to watch your car is 1-2 CUCs.

Cuba is an amazing country: some young guy will watch your car for 8 hours to earn a measly dollar. Yet a young girl charges 40 CUC to watch your pinga for 8 hours!

Driving in Cuba is interesting. The autopista nacional is nearly deserted. In the cities there are ZERO roadsigns. I always got lost coming to/from Habana (especially from the airport). When driving in Cuba you typically have to stop every 2 km and ask someone directions. The other option is to give a lift to a local who will steer you in the right direction. I was giving so many rides to people, I felt like a taxi service.

As for Bicitaxis. In Habana they are a RIP OFF. I will walk a mile before I use one of them in Habana ever again. In the provincias, the guys are reasonable.

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You are mising the point man! If a girl is willing to get into the car with you, half of the battle is over. The other 50% is how much game you have. Once you have them in tha car if you invite them for a Soda or anything like and she is interested you will the have the deed done in about 2 or 3 hours. But you must talk to these girls that get in the car with you. If you gave ride to girls in Bayamo and Holguin area your Dick should be faling off. I know that mine is whenever I go to this region of Cuba. YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE GIRLS GUYS!!!!

The picture below is a Girl I met on the road out of Las Tunas by the circle going to Holguin. After I invited her for a couple of Drinks, she spent the day with me. She is a Great Girl. The service she provide was very, very good. The cost Lunch, Dinner and $60 CUC. I know she was a little high but she was woth every penny. We have maintain a friendship and I will see her when I come back in late July. Her name is Daismara. She does have a Boyfriend/Husband, but we are very discreet about our arrangement.

Enjoy

[El Cubanito]

Cubanito, do you think that by hiring a taxi, one could accomplish the same results as if one had his own rental car?

While in Habana, I hired a taxista one nite to do an exploration of the cities providers. I asked the taxista to drive me around and find me a provider. We went all over town for several hours and I bargained with several providers. I have my doubts about using a "finder" (i.e. the taxista). I think that at times they a) jack up the price to get a cut and b) they purposely steer you AWAY from the majority of the girls, preferring to steer you to girls where they know they can be sure to get their commission, or get a higher commission. I told the guys that I would do my own bargaining. I posted the prices and results of my survey earlier this year.

I would have thought that finding a pro in Habana would be easy. The taxista stopped at the Casa De La Musica on Galiano and talked to a bouncer there, inquiring as to who in the large crowd outside who was a provider. I was informed that there were only two providers that nite, only one was attractive. She initially asked for $100 and after I got done laughing, I eventually bargained her down to $50. However, this was my first find of the evening, I felt that the price was a bit high for Habana, and thought I could do better, so I moved on to get more results for my survey.

In retrospect, I think my best choice would have been to exit the cab at the Casa De La Musica on Galiano and to have worked the crowd myself for semi-pros/jiniteras. Find a girl, pay her cover and buy her drinks.

What do you think?

Can not comment because I never used it. I used a chulo/pip the first time I was in Cuba back in 1999. That was the last time I used them when I found out that the girls had to give them half of their money. From that point on I made a habit of doing business with them directly and paying them.

I can not comment on this.

[El Cubanito]

Thanks Cubanito. I wouldn't have the courage to get a car there. I used taxis or bicitaxis most of the time. I did take a trip in a taxi to the beaches. Santa Maria is one of 3 to the east of Havana right? Saw quite a few local chicks but none that seemed like theyd be available. Well done to you though.

DL

Have u driven in any other Country outside the US? If you have driving in Cuba is no different.

[Member #4167]

If a girl is willing to get into the car with you, half of the battle is over. Hi Cubanito, while I agree with you on many points, I disagree with you on the sentence above.

The majority of cubanas will get into the car with practically anybody.

In Cuba "pidiendo una botella" (hitching a ride) is practiced by 95% of the population. Their are scores of people waiting at the autostops. The practice is institutionalized, with government employees called "yellow jackets" that match passengers with available seat.

Her getting into the car with you just means she needs a ride.

This is a safe country. Violent crime is rare. People are very trusting.


The other 50% is how much game you have. Once you have them in tha car if you invite them for a Soda or anything like and she is interested you will the have the deed done in about 2 or 3 hours. But you must talk to these girls that get in the car with you. I talked to 100% of the girls. I asked things like: "where ya going? " "do you have a boyfriend/husband? " "what are you doing later? "

My Results:

1.) At first, when she said she had a boyfriend/husband, I would stop my seduction attempts. Later on, as I got desparate, I said "No importa, quisieras accompanarme por ua copa? " (Doesn't matter, want to have a drink with me? " The result was always the same: she had someplace to go, someplace to be. Outside Holguin, one girl couldn't spend time with me because she was meeting her husband in the prison.

2.) I tried to pick up mostly single girls. Most of the girls didn't travel alone. One common trick was: the young girl would stand alone, hitching. When I stopped, the whole family would come out of the shadows to take advantage of the ride. Madre, Tia, Hijo. Worse yet: her boyfriend/husband/male companion would crawl out of the shadows.

3.) If it was two young girls travelling together, the game was on. I tried to hit on both of them, however.

4.) The presence of an older woman/older man had a dampening effect, as she acts as a defacto chaperone. When a cuban girl wants to do P4P, she wants to do it discretely.

As a mongering tactic: I wouldn't recommend renting a car and driving around just to pick up girls. There are better methods. However if you happen to be driving someplace and see a girl, by all means, pick her up. You never know.

Maybe my results differed from yours because my spanish is nowhere near as good as yours. Maybe I need to spice up my game.

[Member #4167]

Carla. .... Took her out to Lunch and dinner that day at Santa Maria, cost for service was 40 CUC, plus a ride back to her home.

Enjoy pick gentleman, but this is the kind of action you will get if you have a car.Carla is a very attractive jeva, El Cubanito ! Don't apoligize, I think the fotos do her justice. I would have been pleased to have encountered a flaquita such as this. Nice price.

Thanks for the fotos !

[Barabbas2]

I hate to challenge anything Water Boy says, but I don't agree with his opinion that Mexicana "routinely shares" their manifests with the U. S. I have been to Cuba more than 10 times and always fly via Mexicana Airlines into Jose Martí Int'l. Even though Cubana hasn't had any planes fall from the sky, recently that I know of, I've heard too many horror stories of shaky flights. I have asked Mexicana their policy, over and over again, about sharing passenger information. They have told me the only way this information is shared with the U. S. Is if they are looking for a criminal/terrorist. I would think by now my name would have triggered some kind of red flag if Mexicana shared this information. I have many friends taking the same route and no one has been caught or questioned in this regard. I would know someone who, at least, was questioned by U. S. Immigration in this regard if this info was being shared. If the U. S. Government does have this info, they do not care! I stay in an illegal CP's in Habana Vieja and have had no problems with mis caseros in regard to my chicas or getting stuff stolen. The casas are well fortified in regard to break-in and the casero is usually una casera that I have mutual friends/aquaintances.

[Member #4167]

I hate to challenge anything Water Boy says, but I don't agree with his opinion that Mexicana "routinely shares" their manifests with the U. S. I don't mind being challenged :) ! I was just quoting what I read on the web and I saw on Mexicana website. I am glad to hear that your friends on Mexicana aren't getting busted. You are right: Cubana planes are dilapidated. The first time I went on one, I was afraid for my life! Mexicana has more flights and the price is the same. Thanks for the info.


I stay in an illegal CP's in Habana Vieja and have had no problems with mis caseros in regard to my chicas or getting stuff stolen. The casas are well fortified in regard to break-in and the casero is usually una casera that I have mutual friends/aquaintances.This is good to hear!

[Member #4167]

Hey Barabbas,

I tried to send you a PM, but you have them turned off.

I was wondering if you could email me any contacts of illegal CPs in Havana Vieja.

Do you know of any other illegal CPs in the outside barrios (Boyeros, etc.)?

Thank You in advance.

[El Cubanito]

Illegal casa are like gold in Cuba. If you can get a good one that you cn bring as many chicks as you want whenever you want that i shard to share. You do not ant to lose something like that.

Waterboy, you can make your own list if when you go you can make contact with the locals.

[RubMeister100]

Heading down to Havana this weekend for some mojitos, a little R&R and some cuban hospitality. Enjoyed a half dozen trips over the past eight years but nothing in the past two.

This will be the first summer trip and was wondering if that beach just east of Havana (I forget the name) might be a good place to meet some local girls on the weekend since it is summer.

I understand that things are different than they were a few years ago when Johnny's, Commodoro and the other clubs were like shooting fish in a barrel but with a bit of game we hope to find some fun. Of course we'll do the Casa de la Musica but what about that fashion house fashion show or other places?

Any up to date, real advice would be appreciated. I'll report back upon my return.

[El Rey De Pollo]

The beaches, Playas del Este, are not good for picking up girls. There is heavy police presence on all of them. I find it to be a world of it's own out there. I leave Havana, where every girl looks like at me like she wants to have sex with me, drive out on the Via Blanca, where every female hitchhiker wants to marry me, and arrive at Santa Maria or Guanabo, where - all of the sudden - I become invincible.

But on the parking lot or the street next to the beaches - around 4-5 pm - there will be a shitload of girls heading home and looking for rides from tourists.

Yes, things have changed. Your mongering will be very different, and you need to know the way to work things, which I am sure you know after that many visits.

Better idea to find girtls in Havana and invite them with you to the beach. If you have a car they will feel like princesses for a day if you take them with you. There is a small section of Guanabo, where there is little police presence, and this is a good spot to go with them.

Casa de la Musica is not my taste. Very professional. Getting harder and harder to spot any girls in there who are not pros. This goes for both CDLM's, Miramar and Galliano. Off course, always good looking girls in there, but they will generally ask for 80-100 CUC and can not be bargained down under 50-70 cuc. If you like pros and have no problem spending 80 on pro sex that is rarely GFE, you will find that CDLM is still a happening place.

I met a beaturiful creole type girl, 19 years old, at CDLM Miramar about a month ago. She started at 90 cuc and I got her down to 50 cuc. When we got home she starting kissing me with her lips shut. I threw her out and gave her 10 for the taxi.

Have a great trip. Havana is really the greatest when you don't go expecting to take models home every day. It is getting much harder and you need to work to have succes.


Heading down to Havana this weekend for some mojitos, a little R&R and some cuban hospitality. Enjoyed a half dozen trips over the past eight years but nothing in the past two.

This will be the first summer trip and was wondering if that beach just east of Havana (I forget the name) might be a good place to meet some local girls on the weekend since it is summer.

I understand that things are different than they were a few years ago when Johnny's, Commodoro and the other clubs were like shooting fish in a barrel but with a bit of game we hope to find some fun. Of course we'll do the Casa de la Musica but what about that fashion house fashion show or other places?

Any up to date, real advice would be appreciated. I'll report back upon my return.

[El Cubanito]

The beaches, Playas del Este, are not good for picking up girls. There is heavy police presence on all of them. I find it to be a world of it's own out there. I leave Havana, where every girl looks like at me like she wants to have sex with me, drive out on the Via Blanca, where every female hitchhiker wants to marry me, and arrive at Santa Maria or Guanabo, where - all of the sudden - I become invincible.

But on the parking lot or the street next to the beaches - around 4-5 pm - there will be a shitload of girls heading home and looking for rides from tourists.

Yes, things have changed. Your mongering will be very different, and you need to know the way to work things, which I am sure you know after that many visits.

Better idea to find girtls in Havana and invite them with you to the beach. If you have a car they will feel like princesses for a day if you take them with you. There is a small section of Guanabo, where there is little police presence, and this is a good spot to go with them.

Casa de la Musica is not my taste. Very professional. Getting harder and harder to spot any girls in there who are not pros. This goes for both CDLM's, Miramar and Galliano. Off course, always good looking girls in there, but they will generally ask for 80-100 CUC and can not be bargained down under 50-70 cuc. If you like pros and have no problem spending 80 on pro sex that is rarely GFE, you will find that CDLM is still a happening place.

I met a beaturiful creole type girl, 19 years old, at CDLM Miramar about a month ago. She started at 90 cuc and I got her down to 50 cuc. When we got home she starting kissing me with her lips shut. I threw her out and gave her 10 for the taxi.

Have a great trip. Havana is really the greatest when you don't go expecting to take models home every day. It is getting much harder and you need to work to have succes.


The advice Travelling is giving you is 100% right on. When you get to the beach most o fthe girls are with somebody else:Tourist, Boyfriend, husband or chulo. So most likely you will not find alot that are available, unless you have good game and can snatch one that has gone with her family to the beach.

[Member #4167]

Saw this on the web. Thought you guys would enjoy it. Never been to Santiago de Cuba. I may have to go now. Enjoy:

Well Havana girls are hip
I really dig those styles they wear
And Cienfuegos girls with the way they talk
They knock me out when Im down there
A Camaguey jinitera will really make you feel alright
And the Holguin girls with the way they kiss
They keep their chulos warm at night

I've been all around this great big world
And I seen all kinds of girls
Yeah, but I couldnt wait to get back to the east
Back to the hottest girls in the world

I wish they all could be Santiago
I wish they all could be Santiago
I wish they all could be Santiago girls

[Member #4167]

The beaches, Playas del Este, are not good for picking up girls. There is heavy police presence on all of them. I find it to be a world of it's own out there. I leave Havana, where every girl looks like at me like she wants to have sex with me, drive out on the Via Blanca, where every female hitchhiker wants to marry me, and arrive at Santa Maria or Guanabo, where - all of the sudden -
I become invincible. HeyTravelling Gring,

Did you mean INVISIBLE?

I am trying to make sure I understand your post.

Are you saying that, in terms of ease of picking up cubanas

Santa Maria or Guanabo is better than the Via Blanca the Via Blanca is better than Havana?

[El Rey De Pollo]

Yes, invisible. Change those two words and I am sure my post will be very clear.

Via Blanca is - like any other road - good for picking up girls. (though you might disagree, I have seen you are not fond of cars as a method) Havana is always good. The Playas Del Este are probably the worst in all of Cuba to find girls. This is due to the INVISIBILITY and obviously not the invincibility...


HeyTravelling Gring,

Did you mean INVISIBLE?

I am trying to make sure I understand your post.

Are you saying that, in terms of ease of picking up cubanas

Santa Maria or Guanabo is better than the Via Blanca the Via Blanca is better than Havana?

[Fido Dido]

. . . Casa de la Musica is not my taste. Very professional. Getting harder and harder . . . . If you like pros and have no problem spending 80 on pro sex that is rarely GFE, you will find that CDLM is still a happening place.

I met a beaturiful creole type girl, 19 years old, at CDLM Miramar about a month ago . . . . . I threw her out and gave her 10 for the taxi . . .

Have a great trip. Havana is really the greatest when you don't go expecting to take models home every day. It is getting much harder and you need to work to have succes.

Correct both Casa de La Musicas are shit (specially the one in Miramar). Hard Core, they will certainly try to fool you.

Yes, Havana is getting much harder and you need to work hard to have succes.

[Barabbas2]

Sorry I didn't respond to your request earlier, but I don't get on the site as often as I would like. I guess I don't have PM capability on this site. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to give out my Havana info. Personally, I'm a Habana Vieja guy so I have limited knowledge in Vedado. If you're in Cuba when I'm there, I'd love to have a beer and could possibly share some info at that time. I'll be there in October. I really do appreciate your posts here.

[Smily59]

Warning this is a report of a HAV firsttimer, so don't expect spectacular in depth information, it's meant to broaden the pattern and to affirm statements already made on the board; most important I agree:

Cuba is not a prime monger destination!

Well, this was quite clear when I went and the purpose of the trip was also culture, people and language, so I wasn't disappointed at all. For better understanding (I apreciate this in other reports as well) some background information: I'm a single European male 48 year old male with some Spanish skills, university degree, well travelled. I'm in shape, dress proportionately and follow the safety rules. This was a 2 week trip.

Casa:

Set up via email using sites mentioned on the board, some didn't bother to respond, always expect delays in communication. First night had to stay in another casa (unexpected? ) but finally got a nice legal apartment with private entrance. The owner was quite cool, didn't pay in advance, chicawise we agreed that I write down the carnet-information, just in case something goes wrong. Everything went smoothly, no only 1 chica rule, chicas stayed daytime, TLN, only 1 incident. Once (daytime) the dueno asked for carnet but obviously info wasn't written in the book. My impression was that the dueno didn't stay up all night if I had a chica TLN.

Chicas:

As already stated: Cuba isn't Thailand or Brasil, so no point and click. But you should always prepared for a surprise (so have a plan in advance).

Example: waiting for an appointment at cine Jara (next to Copelia) there was a chica obviously waiting as well. A little punishment in mind (for my date coming late) I started talking and we agreed to leave together if our dates don't show. This was the last time she came late.

Because of this experience I figured this might be a good pickup spot and started "waiting" without a date. Another day (at Jara) I was approached by 1 chica in this cute schoolgirl uniform asking for 1 CUC to go to Copelia with her 2 amigas. Being a gentlemen I invited them to have an icecream together – to bad they were only 17, but I enjoyed the afternoon anyway.

One night at Turquino (Hotel Havanna Libre 2nd floor) I met a couple and after some talking and dancing she started offering herself – too bad she wasn't attractive enough. In this and other clubs it seemed to be common to introduce touristas to the audience. Nice service and lot's of contacts afterwards.

In hindsight I wouldn't say Cubans are shy and reluctant to make contact, people notoriously asked for time and light (fosfero). People means everybody – male, female, pro non-pro, old young – and it wasn't always to sell cigars or other "things". Just keep the situation in mind and act accordingly. I mean, what's up if you're sitting in a bar and the chica next table asks you for a light when there is one lying on their table?

Also expect to be invited for some kind of fiesta, I. E. Birthday party. I got 4 invitations, but only went once with a chica I already knew. Call me a coward, but I wasn't up to go at night to a place in the outskirts of HAV with somebody I don't know at least a little.

I stayed with 5 chicas, all gfe (3 semi-pro, TLN 25-35 CUC) and 2 non-pro (internet). I tried to avoid the pros, but did some bargaining with them, I. E. 35 in Turquino; starting price 100.

One chica (semi-pro from Granma, not shaved) mentioned the famous "Up to you" – en espanol, this was the only one that had to be walked by a familiar to my casa.

Pick up places:

Well I stayed in Vedado, so most experience was there. So calle 23 was good, although I didn't like the Malecon esp. Next to 23 and the La Rampa area (lower part). My best results were between Copelia and Ave. Presidentes. In front of Copelia is La Rampita (small outdoor bar), next to cine Rivera (esq 23 & Ave. Presidentes) is an airconditioned bar, both worth to have a look at once in a while. Ave. Presidentes has the rockeros at night, but I guess I'm too old for these, but during day lot's of nurses (between 23 and the castle). Well no success with these, maybe because always too much colleagues present, maybe I should have asked my dueno to borrow me his dog for a walk.

Clubs: Turquino, Havanna Club, Sala Roja, sufficiently covered in the board, just keep in mind the 10-20 CUC cover, once went to a club far out, better atmosphere but was with a chica.

Policia:

Never had a problem, the chicas (esp. Internet) didn't seem to be afraid of them. We walked together day and night (Vieja, Centro, Vedado) and they never stopped us. Once with a semi-pro we took a taxi on her demand, but I don't know if she was anxious or just lazy. The only one, that seemed worried was the one from Granma. So, no hassle – and I'm glad for that; although there was a significant age gap and colour (sometimes). Well that's just my experience (maybe confirming the non-, semi-pro status) but I'm sure that all written in the board is true and the availability of chicas would be much better without police.

On the other hand I observed that carnets (of chicas without company) were checked at La Rampita and Playa del Este. At PDE was heavy police presence, but I saw other couples with parttime GF.

Final thought:

I enjoyed Cuba, but as already said, I didn't came for mongering only.

Expect the unexpected, have a plan ahead because sometimes you have to make a fast move. But if you have them on the hook and into conversation play it slow, decide wisely and don't be afraid to go home alone (I did 3 times). When they started to get pushy, I considered them jinetera and lost interest, but for those interested, this was when prices dropped to < 40.

My thanks to Jackson and all of you guys contributing,

Suerte Smily

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[BeersTerry]

Yes, I too go to Havana for the culture, but stay for the cocksucking.

When you say Turquino on the second floor, do you mean the bar in the Habana Libre on the second floor where chicas hang out, or the disco at the top of the Habana Libre, where the really expensive chicas hang out ?

[Member #4167]

Warning this is a report of a HAV firsttimer, so don't expect spectacular in depth information, it's meant to broaden the pattern and to affirm statements already made on the board; most important I agree:

Cuba is not a prime monger destination!Great report, Smiley59! You wrote a very comprehensive report on the Havana mongering scene. Very detailed - I am impressed !

For a first-timer, it seems like you hit the right mongering spots! Vedado is a good area for cruising.

You did well with the owner of your Casa PArticular. That was a great compromise you struck to let you bring in girls

Questions:

1.) What was the general description of the women you bedded? Age? Race? Build?

2.) Got any fotos to post?

3.) Would you go back ?

[Smokers Rule]

I've been lurking on the Cuba boards for a while. Going to make my first trip soon. It seems to me--and correct me if I'm wrong--that even the most "expensive" Cuban jinteras are cheap by Latin American standards. Tell me where on our side of the globe you can get TLN for the equivalent of $30. Plus Cubans are not almost all dark (like the DR), so there's variety.

Besides the obvious drawbacks (US customs, Cuban police), it seems to me that Cuba should be high on the list. A lot of people swear by places like Argentina or Costa Rica, but you couldn't get a TLN those places for less than $100.

Somebody please tell me what I'm missing...

[DriedUp]

In my personal and highly biased opinion, nothing compares to Cuba.

More variety, cleaner, pussy and everything else.

More daring. And yes cheaper. Not inconceivable to have an all nighter for 20. Not going to be easy, but yes can be found.

Usually, the farther east you go, out of havana and into the smaller towns, you will have nice ones, cheap and easy.

So many other reasons, having to do with the country. Which directly affects the quality. Enhances it.

Drawback: many and all are out for money, a ticket of the country. So I would not believe anything they say.

[Sean EZ]

First off, you won't find a TLN for $30, most hot girls (if you go to night clubs) will ask more like 40-60 up to 100 CUC in some cases. Once you met the girl in the club she won't come out with you (most regularly scheduled clubs will have heavy police presence outside), unless it's one of those "underground" parties that people get SMS about, they rotate locations. But those parties had most of the same working girls you would see at other places. So you would either get in your car and tell her to meet around the corner, or as happened once in our case they followed our taxi on motorbikes and then jumped in our taxi. Main question is: how good is your Spanish? Can you explain this or understand what she's trying to tell you when regaton or electronic music is blasting? Once the working girl is at your place, she starts going through your stuff in the bathroom, spraying your cologne, looking for candy or food. It's just something you have to be prepared to deal with among other things. Normal regular girls won't do that, that's how you can spot a jinitera, but to me they all seemed available and about money. Maybe there are good girls, but those are not the pretty ones, if you want the hot model looking girl, or a girl who likes to dress nice it's guaranteed she knows how to supplement her income.

Alternatively you could talk to pretty much any girl on the street, I would say that majority of girls are a fair game and would not mind making a quick buck away from their girlfriends' eyes, but then again on some nights when police presence is heavy, she will be scared to walk with you, they feel safer in the car with you. How good is your Spanish if you get stopped to convince the police that she is your girlfriend? If she is a jinetera forget about walking on the street with her. Finally, everyone is about money money and money, nothing else.. honestly I got a little sick of that at the end. One more thing: you will have to worry about renting an illegal casa for a few hours, or find one that will not register girls because many working girls will not want to register. You'll have to be prepared to deal with some shady characters, most will try to rip you off one way or another.. Again, how good is your Spanish?

With regards to the part of your question about other countries, lets say compare it to Colombia. In Colombia you can meet a working girl and she'll party with you and have a good time and dance with you all night and you don't have to worry about a thing, so in the end you go to Cuba for a cultural experience, a bit of hassle here and there, but not to save money.


I've been lurking on the Cuba boards for a while. Going to make my first trip soon. It seems to me--and correct me if I'm wrong--that even the most "expensive" Cuban jinteras are cheap by Latin American standards. Tell me where on our side of the globe you can get TLN for the equivalent of $30. Plus Cubans are not almost all dark (like the DR), so there's variety.

Besides the obvious drawbacks (US customs, Cuban police), it seems to me that Cuba should be high on the list. A lot of people swear by places like Argentina or Costa Rica, but you couldn't get a TLN those places for less than $100.

Somebody please tell me what I'm missing...

[Smokers Rule]

1) My Spanish is great, thanks :)
2) The upper bound on asking prices for the hottest chicks is 100 CUC. That's telling, IMO.
3) I have a casa lined up with no problems with chicas.
4) My Colombia experience has been limited to Bogota,which was not so great. I believe you that other areas of Colombia may be better.

I understand about everyone being about money. I can imagine that would get old. Seems to me like Cuba is not the place for Joe Monger from New Jersey who doesn't know a lick of Spanish and does at much drinking as he does mongering when he's on vaca.

But then again, I'm not Joe Monger. :) I'll let you know how it goes.



First off, you won't find a TLN for $30, most hot girls (if you go to night clubs) will ask more like 40-60 up to 100 CUC in some cases. Once you met the girl in the club she won't come out with you (most regularly scheduled clubs will have heavy police presence outside), unless it's one of those "underground" parties that people get SMS about, they rotate locations. But those parties had most of the same working girls you would see at other places. So you would either get in your car and tell her to meet around the corner, or as happened once in our case they followed our taxi on motorbikes and then jumped in our taxi. Main question is: how good is your Spanish? Can you explain this or understand what she's trying to tell you when regaton or electronic music is blasting? Once the working girl is at your place, she starts going through your stuff in the bathroom, spraying your cologne, looking for candy or food. It's just something you have to be prepared to deal with among other things. Normal regular girls won't do that, that's how you can spot a jinitera, but to me they all seemed available and about money. Maybe there are good girls, but those are not the pretty ones, if you want the hot model looking girl, or a girl who likes to dress nice it's guaranteed she knows how to supplement her income.

Alternatively you could talk to pretty much any girl on the street, I would say that majority of girls are a fair game and would not mind making a quick buck away from their girlfriends' eyes, but then again on some nights when police presence is heavy, she will be scared to walk with you, they feel safer in the car with you. How good is your Spanish if you get stopped to convince the police that she is your girlfriend? If she is a jinetera forget about walking on the street with her. Finally, everyone is about money money and money, nothing else.. honestly I got a little sick of that at the end. One more thing: you will have to worry about renting an illegal casa for a few hours, or find one that will not register girls because many working girls will not want to register. You'll have to be prepared to deal with some shady characters, most will try to rip you off one way or another.. Again, how good is your Spanish?

With regards to the part of your question about other countries, lets say compare it to Colombia. In Colombia you can meet a working girl and she'll party with you and have a good time and dance with you all night and you don't have to worry about a thing, so in the end you go to Cuba for a cultural experience, a bit of hassle here and there, but not to save money.

[It Travel]

Really a nice contribution but on ground of your two week experience (and all other friends here, I have some questions...

The price is, I suppose, for all nigters?
How do they behave with BBBJ (CIM or COF) and Anal?

Thanks

IT



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.....
My thanks to Jackson and all of you guys contributing,

Suerte Smily

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[BeersTerry]

The upper limit is not CUC$100. It is much higher. $100 is the starting asking price in many of the clubs.

If you want cheap, you will find it in Peru, Ecuador.
You are right, many areas in Colombia are better than Bogota. I was lucky in that I had friends there but it can be hard if you don't know where you are going.

[Member #4167]

First off, you won't find a TLN for $30, most hot girls (if you go to night clubs) will ask more like 40-60 up to 100 CUC in some cases. Once you met the girl in the club she won't come out with you (most regularly scheduled clubs will have heavy police presence outside), I am in the SeanEZ camp. Yes, it IS possible to find TLN for $30/nite - but not in the clubs. to do so, you will have to spend many days looking. it is hard work. and they wont be model qualtiy.

cuba is NOT for easy mongering. The rewards are there but it is hard work.


Main question is: how good is your Spanish? Can you explain this or understand what she's trying to tell you when regaton or electronic music is blasting? SO TRUE!

Rule #1: There is music blasting everywhere. It is hard to hear.

Rule #2: Cubans talk spanish much faster than other latins.

Rule #3: Even when asked to speak slowly, speak clearly, many cubans are unwilling or unable to do so. This is amazing for a country with so many tourists.

Rule #4: It is rare that a cuban speaks english (unless they work in tourism)


Once the working girl is at your place, she starts going through your stuff in the bathroom, spraying your cologne, looking for candy or food. and they take your disposable razors. Cubans aren't straight-up thieves - it is just a "everything is shared" mentality.


Finally, everyone is about money money and money, nothing else.. honestly I got a little sick of that at the end. so true.


One more thing: you will have to worry about renting an illegal casa for a few hours, or find one that will not register girls because many working girls will not want to register.True.


Alternatively you could talk to pretty much any girl on the street, I would say that majority of girls are a fair game and would not mind making a quick buck away from their girlfriends' eyes, I disagree about this tactic being easy or fruitful. My own experience proves this. As I spent most of my time going after normal girls. I am told I am a fairly attractive guy. And fairly personable. My experience shows that, Yes, if you talk to 100 normal chicas you can bag a very small percentage. Maybe 4-7 percent. You have to remember the following: 1) true, if you can get her alone in private, you have a great chance, but 2) There is always someone else around, 3) Everyone is watching and everyone gossips. Always listening in. It is very difficult to speak to a girl in private 4) not ALL cubanas are wh0res. Most are upstanding. 5) even the ones that are fair game. Many have husbands/boyfriends. Since everyone knows everyone elses business they are very reluctant to risk a sure thing for 30CUC.

[Member #4167]

The upper limit is not CUC$100. It is much higher. $100 is the starting asking price in many of the clubs.Yep,


If you want cheap, you will find it in Peru, Ecuador.True

[El Rey De Pollo]

Smokers Rule, do yourself a huge favor and read what Sean (and in part Beersterry) is writing. Because this is the truth on Cuba.

General misunderstandings when it comes to Cuba:

- Pussy is cheap. No. Pussy is expensive and the inflation rate on sex in Cuba beats any country I know of. Yes, you can have a girl for 20 cuc. But that is also possible in Canada, USA or France if you like super-ugly girls.

- It's easy to find girls. No. It's a lifetime study to master the ways of Cuba. After 7-8 trips I am still trying to learn.

- If you speak Spanish, you are home fee. No. If you speak Spanish AND know how to work things in Cuba, you are home free. That said, speaking Spanish definately is a better starting point than not speaking Spanish.

- There are no STD's in Cuba and everything is bareboned. No. While it's true that AIDS is low for a caribean country, other STD's are rampant. Cubans have no money and the only free hobby is sex. So what do they do? They fuck like rabbits with everyone on the block and they seldom go to the pharmacy first for expensive, lousy quality Chinese condoms. All sex is with protection and 9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ.

That said, I love Cuba. But I go there for work and meet girls as a hobby on the side. I would never ever take a trip to Cuba just to monger. If you do, you will be shocked at the amount of hazzle you will have to go trough and the number of girls you will loose on the way home or in your entrance. I have actually on two occassions had police open the door to my elevator once I thought I was safe inside my building, and pull out the chica. Needless to say, I never saw these girls again.

This is only advice to save you time, money and dissapointment, because I am reading your reply like your taking the advice given by Sean with a pinch of salt. Well, I actually read it like you don't really need advice anyways.

But you do. You are thinking about heading to a country in which guys who have been there every year for the last 15 years still often need a week or two to get updated on the way things work.

That said, if you go: Best of luck.

[Petrolero]

I have actually on two occassions had police open the door to my elevator once I thought I was safe inside my building, and pull out the chica. Needless to say, I never saw these girls again.

The cop was looking to get paid, the girl wasn't going to make any more money, until she paid him. Girls who pay off the cops get to work, those who don't pay, they don't work.

There was a huge outbreak of std's in Habana about 3-4 years ago.

[Smokers Rule]

Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it (and Sean's). It seems like many of the people who love Cuba advise against going there, which is weird.

That said, here are my reactions:


Pussy is cheap. No. Pussy is expensive

80-100 CUC TLN is not expensive, and I have not read anywhere that girls cannot be had for that.


It's easy to find girls. No. It's a lifetime study to master the ways of Cuba. After 7-8 trips I am still trying to learn.


I trust you on this one. Though, if I don't start, I'll never learn.



9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ.


This would be an absolute deal breaker for me. Can anyone confirm or deny this?



I would never ever take a trip to Cuba just to monger.

I'm not. I also want to see Cuba, and I'm getting bored with the other Latin American options.



I have actually on two occassions had police open the door to my elevator once I thought I was safe inside my building, and pull out the chica. Needless to say, I never saw these girls again.


Not to sound like a total douchebag, but I really don't care if the police mess with the girl. As long as they leave me alone, I'm cool. From what I've read, the police generally leave tourists alone and just deal harshly with the girls. Exception may be traffic cops.




I am reading your reply like your taking the advice given by Sean with a pinch of salt. Well, I actually read it like you don't really need advice anyways.


No! I don't mean to convey that at all. I need all the advice I can get, and I appreciate your thoughtful responses. It's nice that you're looking out for me :)

[BeersTerry]

O.K.....my 2 cents

I've never had a bj with condom in cuba. Had plenty in Colombia with condom.
I have caught a terrible itch though.

Cops may or may not mess with you......but all they want is a bribe. Normally, they just hassle the chica as stated on various posts. For example, they hassle girls on the malecon because it is a protected territory, the chicas working it have paid the cops....that is unless they are walking with their cousin trying to earn a few extra dollars.

Cuba changes weekly. The interpretation of the law and the enforcement of the law varies from region to region and is dependent on the political climate. You might be fucking your brains out one week and have no chicas the next. Such is Cuba. That is why you can't go solely for the chicas.

[Smokers Rule]

I didn't think the 90% thing could be true. I'm sold.

I've had problems getting bbbj in Bogota. I guess they have some sort of ordinance about bbbj's for incall (all I had), and the chicas pretty rigidly adhere to it.


O.K.....my 2 cents

I've never had a bj with condom in cuba. Had plenty in Colombia with condom.
I have caught a terrible itch though.

Cops may or may not mess with you......but all they want is a bribe. Normally, they just hassle the chica as stated on various posts. For example, they hassle girls on the malecon because it is a protected territory, the chicas working it have paid the cops....that is unless they are walking with their cousin trying to earn a few extra dollars.

Cuba changes weekly. The interpretation of the law and the enforcement of the law varies from region to region and is dependent on the political climate. You might be fucking your brains out one week and have no chicas the next. Such is Cuba. That is why you can't go solely for the chicas.

[Member #4167]

I've never had a bj with condom in cuba. Had plenty in Colombia with condom.

I have caught a terrible itch though.Smokers rule - ALL of my BJs were BBBJ.

BBBJ is the norm is Cuba


Cuba changes weekly. The interpretation of the law and the enforcement of the law varies from region to region and is dependent on the political climate. You might be fucking your brains out one week and have no chicas the next. Such is Cuba. That is why you can't go solely for the chicas.So True! - this is the norm in Cuba.

[El Rey De Pollo]

And my answers...


Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it (and Sean's). It seems like many of the people who love Cuba advise against going there, which is weird.

Might seem like that. Everybody is here to help. I would advise anybody heading to Cuba for the first time to fuck their brains out, not to go. I know people who have wondered the streets of Havana for a week searching only for pussy and getting nothin at all. We are talking good looking, young men. Off course - like with the price and the possibility of bbbjs - it's a matter of taste. There are tons of fat, ugly and old chicas running around that you can fuck immediately for 20 cuc without condom. Be my guest.




80-100 CUC TLN is not expensive, and I have not read anywhere that girls cannot be had for that.

If you find that 100 cuc is not expensive (and often for one or two hours - not a full night - and often not GFE either, especially if the girl is picked up at a disco), you must be used to mongering in Sweden... I highly suggest you don't ruin Cuba for everybody else by paying 100 cuc to any girl while there.




I trust you on this one. Though, if I don't start, I'll never learn.

Good. I hope you have some success on your first trip.




This would be an absolute deal breaker for me. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

You don't need to have my replies confirmed. I have spend about 1½ year in Cuba in total. My recent visit was one month ago and lasted 6 weeks. I have met thousands of Cuban girls, and have been to just about every street and disco in Havana and suburbs.




Not to sound like a total douchebag, but I really don't care if the police mess with the girl. As long as they leave me alone, I'm cool. From what I've read, the police generally leave tourists alone and just deal harshly with the girls. Exception may be traffic cops

I don't give a shit about the police. I speak Spanish and know exactly what to say to any policeofficer. What I do care about is loosing a beautiful girl who perhaps is the sexiest girl I've seen for a week. I don't bribe police officeres. Why? Because if you bribe the guy he will be waiting outside your casa for your entire stay for the next bribe. And paying, say, 50 for a girl and 30 or 40 for the bribe, well, too expensive pussy for me.

That said, please change your attitude towards the girls. If you meet a anice girl, you're an idiot if you don't help her in any way you can. Consequences are rough. A year in prison might be where the cop is taking her.

[El Rey De Pollo]

O.K.....my 2 cents

I've never had a bj with condom in cuba. Had plenty in Colombia with condom.
I have caught a terrible itch though.

Sorry about the itch.

I don't mean to question the quality of chicas you are getting over there, 'cause I have no idea. But I find that there is a direct link between the looks of the girl and her willingness to do bbbj.

I agree that - quality taken aside - anybody can get a bbbj a day in Cuba.

[El Rey De Pollo]

The cop was looking to get paid, the girl wasn't going to make any more money, until she paid him. Girls who pay off the cops get to work, those who don't pay, they don't work.

I am aware. But pussy plus bribe can fuck up any budget.


There was a huge outbreak of std's in Habana about 3-4 years ago.

And there's an even bigger one going on right now. So big that it's even officially recognized and young people have been encouraged to go for tests. Probably one of the reasons why many girls refuse to do bbbjs.

[Member #4167]

It's easy to find girls. No. It's a lifetime study to master the ways of Cuba. After 7-8 trips I am still trying to learn.This is true. I have only had 2-3 months on various trips to Cuba.

Yet, I find myself still not knowing the ropes and STILL frustrated by the hassles and hard work most of the time.

Here is my take.

My comments in this post apply to the sub-100 CUC semi-pro/non-pro market segment. If you are willing to pay 100 CUC you can more easily get model-quality in Havana and Cfgos Cuba. You can bed a cubana for 100CUC, but you will still have to jump through hoops to get her into a casa particular.

Cuba Factors:

1. The Quality/Cost/EaseOfGetting the sub-100 CUC Girls varies from city to city.

2. Even when you get a good city - the Quality/Cost/EaseOfGetting varies from day-to-day. Some days there is a flood. Other days a drought. If you aren't getting good results, move on to the next city.

3. Police enforcement of the jiniteras and rules/restrictions on getting a cubana into a Casa Particular varies from casa-to-casa from city-to-city and from day-to-day. Mastery of the intricacies of this aspect of the mongering game is the most crucial to your mongering success.

4. Some days and in some localities the only provider on the market is an old worn out skank for 40CUC. Other times you can luck out with a beauty for 20-30 CUC - although these times are few and far between. Sure the average wage is $20/month in cuba. One of the lowest wages in the world. The prices in cuba are not low as a result of this.

My Two Cents on TG's post:


If you speak Spanish AND know how to work things in Cuba, you are home free.I only partially agree with your statement. Knowing how to work things in Cuba is definetly a MUST. And speaking excellent spanish is a huge plus. (Although translators may be used.)

I disagree with your statement that "you are home free." There is NO magic bullet. (If there is one - please inform me.)

Like everything else in Cuba, "How Things Work" tend to vary from city to city. And they vary from day to day. And lastly they vary from provider to provider.

I think you are home free if you happen to be in a place and time where the Cuba Factors 1 - 4 above, are also in your favor. please correct me if I am wrong.


That said, I love Cuba. I would never ever take a trip to Cuba just to monger. If you do, you will be shocked at the amount of hazzle you will have to go trough and the number of girls you will loose on the way home or in your entrance. One of the best statements I have read that sums up the truth about Cuba.

I love Cuba too, but there are far better places to monger for ease and cost. There are many other 3rd world countries where it is cheaper and much much more hassle-free.

If you want low-cost mongering and are willing to put up with the hassles, here is my advice:stay at home and get a girlfriend.

Don't expect to go to cuba to find hoards of attractive women eager to have sex with you for 10-20CUC. This cuba no longer exists. Go to Cuba if you want to see and experience the country, with mongering as your secondary agenda.

Question For The Members of The Forum:

The reason my posting here is to share knowledge as well is to TEST my knowledge of the best way to succeed in cuba. It is true that "It's a lifetime study to master the ways of Cuba."

Help me to gain mastery by correcting me if I am wrong in my above statements.

[Member #4167]

The cop was looking to get paid, the girl wasn't going to make any more money, until she paid him. Girls who pay off the cops get to work, those who don't pay, they don't work.I don't care if the girls pay bribes.

What about us Foreigners Paying bribes?

I thought the general rule in cuba was: "never offer a bribe to a cuban police officer" This could get you in big legal trouble.

What are others thoughts on this?

[BeersTerry]

Let the chica work out the bribe with the cop. You end up paying of course. They will get out of your face for 10 CUC

[El Rey De Pollo]

i don't care if the girls pay bribes.

what about us foreigners paying bribes?

i thought the general rule in cuba was: "never offer a bribe to a cuban police officer" this could get you in big legal trouble.

what are others thoughts on this?

things have changed water boy. the general rule used to be like that. this was in the days when socialism and unity still superceeded greed. today, it is vice versa. i have never paid a bribe until my last two trips. then 2-3 bribes on my previous trip and 5-7 on my trip a month ago. by far the most to traffic cops.

the new general rule is like this:

if you have not done anything wrong: act like you know cuba. refuse to accept a fine. tell him you have time and will go with him to the station. he will let you go.

if you have done something: slip him a 10, 20 or 30. 10 is for running a yellow/red light, 30 is for serious speeding.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Let the chica work out the bribe with the cop. You end up paying of course. They will get out of your face for 10 CUC

10? Not in the parts of Havana i stay. 20 if Im lucky, but 30 seems to be the norm for 'not seeing' the girl you are walking with.

When were you in Havana, Beersterry?

[El Rey De Pollo]

My Two Cents on TG's post:

I only partially agree with your statement. Knowing how to work things in Cuba is definetly a MUST. And speaking excellent spanish is a huge plus. (Although translators may be used.)

I disagree with your statement that "you are home free." There is NO magic bullet. (If there is one - please inform me.)


You are right. I put that into wrong words. You are never home free. Even seasoned Cuban travellers will never be.

BUT - Combination of good Spanish skills (and I mean being able to say anything you want to say, perhaps not in beautifully constructed sentences, but getting anything accross) and intense knowledge of working girls, police, male hustlers, taxis, doormen, casa owners, guards, friends, foes, etcetera will put you in a situation where you can cruise the streets in a form of confidence that you will know what to do when a situation arises.

But home free, no. Wrong words.

[El Cubanito]

The cops will not ask you for a tsright bride. They all say that it their birthday and they do not want any hassle with you or anubody. So they say it my birthday how about a birthday present. I have given a couple of birthday presents on many of trips.

[El Rey De Pollo]

The cops will not ask you for a tsright bride. They all say that it their birthday and they do not want any hassle with you or anubody. So they say it my birthday how about a birthday present. I have given a couple of birthday presents on many of trips.

Yeah, it's actually so funny. Had a first-time Cuba visitor visit me a month back and I had told him about the birthday-thing. He couldn't help himself from laughing everytime these guys said it.

Funny thing is, on a number of occassions I would argue a bit with them, refuse to haven done anything wrong and by the time they realize I'm not Joe Sucker confused in Cuba and have given me my papers back and loosened up and are about to say goodbye as I role up the window, they say 'Ohh, amigo, and today is my birthday!'.

"Feliz cumpleaño," I reply as the window shuts and I take off.

Trying to get a bribe as a small token for not handing you an unwarranted ticket - AFTER they have realized they're not getting a bribe. I love Cuba...

[Smokers Rule]

And my counter-replies . . .



If you find that 100 cuc is not expensive (and often for one or two hours - not a full night - and often not GFE either, especially if the girl is picked up at a disco), you must be used to mongering in Sweden... I highly suggest you don't ruin Cuba for everybody else by paying 100 cuc to any girl while there.

100 CUC is not expensive for TLN. Try getting a TLN from a decent chica in Brazil or Argentina or Chile or any of the biggie South American countries for 100 CUC. Good luck. In fact, please tell me where it is easy to find TLNs for 100 CUC...I'd like to go there ;)

That said, I plan on doing my work and paying in the 20-50 range, which is reasonable and still a great deal.

By the way...a TLN in Sweden can run you anywhere from $750 to $2000.


You don't need to have my replies confirmed. I have spend about 1½ year in Cuba in total. My recent visit was one month ago and lasted 6 weeks. I have met thousands of Cuban girls, and have been to just about every street and disco in Havana and suburbs.

I appreciate your confidence, but I don't believe the 90% figure. I don't think you're going to find anyone to confirm it.



That said, please change your attitude towards the girls. If you meet a anice girl, you're an idiot if you don't help her in any way you can.
This attitude will get you in trouble in the Caribbean my friend :)

[El Rey De Pollo]

And my counter-replies . . .


100 CUC is not expensive for TLN. Try getting a TLN from a decent chica in Brazil or Argentina or Chile or any of the biggie South American countries for 100 CUC. Good luck. In fact, please tell me where it is easy to find TLNs for 100 CUC...I'd like to go there ;)

That said, I plan on doing my work and paying in the 20-50 range, which is reasonable and still a great deal.

By the way...a TLN in Sweden can run you anywhere from $750 to $2000.


I appreciate your confidence, but I don't believe the 90% figure. I don't think you're going to find anyone to confirm it.


This attitude will get you in trouble in the Caribbean my friend :)

Believe whatever you want. I'm trying to help you out, buddy, but you honestly sound like a smart ass. Well, no, actually like an idiot. Where do you come off questionning the helpful tips I'm trying to give you? You've never set foot in the country and you're telling me that I'm giving you wrong advice?!?!?

3 questions, cleverboy:

1. Do you know the currency rate of the CUC?
2. Have you been much around in the Caribean or in Central America?
3. Where did you get the idea that the 100 (or 30 or 50 ot whatever) is for TLN? You may have luck and find that, but it's not the norm. When a girl quotes you 80 or 100 in a club or on the street, she is not talking about staying for the night.

You actually don't need to answer them, since I kinda lost interest in you.

Have a nice trip. You allready know all there is to know, so what could go wrong really?

[Smokers Rule]

Sir,

I seek only truth; I feel that, though well-intentioned, some of your info is questionable given what I have read here and elsewhere. You should not take honest inquiry as a personal affront. I have read a lot about Cuba, and I will continue to read more. Your contributions are both useful and appreciated. However, some of what you have to say does not square with what I have read and what common sense tells me should be true, so I question it. Nothing personal against you.

Regarding the questions that you typed out but did not intend for me to answer (?), I will go ahead and anser them:

1) 1CUC = $1.08, but I round up to $1.25 for easier math.

2) I have traveled extensively throughout Latin America and the Caribbean...I've been to 7 Latin American countries in 2008, and intend to visit 3 more next month.

3) My perusal of this board and others (unmentionable here) indicates that 100 CUC is reasonable for TLN. I'm not dumb; I realize that many chicas won't do TLN for any money. They have kids, parents, reputation, scared of police, etc. I was merely using this as my pricing example. From what I have read, few Cubanas bring in 100 CUC for ST, though there are exceptions. In any case, I reiterate my assertion that, based on my experience and what I have read on the boards, Cuba is not expensive.

There is a recurring trend on this board and on others: Two people think they know everything, so they post back and forth telling each other why they're wrong. This evolves into what Jackson calls "serial antagonism."

I do not mean to antagonise you in the slightest; I'm merely seeking accurate information. I readily admit that I know nothing about Cuba first-hand...I have never been there!

I think we should raise the level of discourse on this board. Name calling (see: "smart ass" and "cleverboy") belongs on the schoolyards. We are adults.

That said, I will reiterate that I appreciate your contributions to this board.


Believe whatever you want. I'm trying to help you out, buddy, but you honestly sound like a smart ass. Well, no, actually like an idiot. Where do you come off questionning the helpful tips I'm trying to give you? You've never set foot in the country and you're telling me that I'm giving you wrong advice?!?!?

3 questions, cleverboy:

1. Do you know the currency rate of the CUC?
2. Have you been much around in the Caribean or in Central America?
3. Where did you get the idea that the 100 (or 30 or 50 ot whatever) is for TLN? You may have luck and find that, but it's not the norm. When a girl quotes you 80 or 100 in a club or on the street, she is not talking about staying for the night.

You actually don't need to answer them, since I kinda lost interest in you.

Have a nice trip. You allready know all there is to know, so what could go wrong really?

[Smily59]

Thank you for appreciating my report.

Water Boy Questions:

I´ld rate theChicas 7-8, 18 – 26 years old, not chubby one definitely petite, b-c cup, morena – negrita (I´m not that familiar with the classificationsystem they were fair to darker skinned). Yes I´ld go back to Cuba, although it will be HAV and provincias next time.

IT:

Yes, 25-35 CUC TLN, did BBBJ, didn´t ask for CIM, anal.

Beersteery:

When saying Turquino on the second floor I´m not talking about the disco at the top of the Habana Libre.

Suerte Smily

[El Rey De Pollo]

Sorry, but if you're not a smart-ass, I don't know what is. I have spend more than a year in Cuba and you keep telling me that my information and help is wrong.

Fine with me. I should have stopped trying to help you after your first arrogant response to the help that other experienced Cuba-travellers tried to give you. Instead of wasting my time on a guy whos pattern of discussion is like this:

- Hi, I've never been to Cuba. What's it like?
- It's like this. Here's how you get the best out of it....
- Naah, don't really belive that.

So, If there are experienced Cuba-travellers on these boards who you have not yet pissed on, I hope you'll be able to get some help before going. Because you sound like you really need it.

I for one am gonna spend my time helping out guys who appreciate being helped and who don't act like they know everything about a country they've never set foot it (and who have a different opinion on how to treat Cuban girls...)

So no more replies from me.

[Smokers Rule]

- Hi, I've never been to Cuba. What's it like?
- It's like this. Here's how you get the best out of it....
- Naah, don't really belive that.


I believe you may have embellished slightly. To my mind, it goes something like this:

- Hi, I've never been to Cuba. What is it like?
- Don't go there. The girls are a "hazzle" and "9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ." Cuba should be reserved for experienced, established mongers like me. Go back to Costa Rica.
- I don't believe you. Can anyone corroborate the 9 out of 10 claim?

(Silence)

- What? You're questioning my supreme Cuba knowledge? You ingrate.
- I was just . . .
- Shut up, you (insert childish name here). I've lost interest and won't talk to you anymore.

I'm still waiting for the person to back up this claim:


9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ

This is not a personal attack against you. It is an attempt to ensure that the information posted on this board is accurate. Why do I care so much? Partially because I want to know what I'm getting into when I go to Cuba. But I also want to make sure that future travelers that use these boards as a reference (perhaps to decide whether to go) do not face inaccurate information.

If a potential Cuba visitor looks here and sees that bbbj is impossible with hot chicks, he may not go. If we all just sat around and deferred to anyone who said anything questionable on this board, it would be full of inaccurate information. If I have done nothing in this series of posts, it has been to raise serious questions about the claim. I obviously don't know first-hand, so I will have to wait until I actually go to post my experience.


So no more replies from me.
Pity :)

[BeersTerry]

this past December.

I realize Havana is getting more and more expensive but what part of Havana are you hanging in ?

Along the Malecon and La Rampa may be more as is vieja and touristy part of centro. I am never doing anything serious enough to have to pay a fine anyhow!!

[El Rey De Pollo]

One final reply - only because you are misquoting me.

1. I never told anybody 'don't go there'. I love Cuba. What I've often said is 'if you're looking for a full-time mongering vacation, don't choose Cuba'. read up on these boards.

2. I never said bbbj is impossible with hot chicks. I said it's getting rarer. Especially because theres a new outbreak of STD's in town. 9 out of 10 is naturally not based on statistical facts, but on a 'feel'. Might be 7 or 8 out of 10. And here's a sure fact: It used to be 0 or 1 out of 10, so things are changing rapidly. Yes, I wrote fact. So now you better go find someone to back this statement up. 'Cause how could I ever now?

To sum up: You can act like an ignorant sex tourist who thinks he should question all the help he is getting when asking for it himself all you want - but don't misquote me.

Now, let's leave this board to people who actually contribute. You and I are contributing nothing right now.


I believe you may have embellished slightly. To my mind, it goes something like this:

- Hi, I've never been to Cuba. What is it like?
- Don't go there. The girls are a "hazzle" and "9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJ." Cuba should be reserved for experienced, established mongers like me. Go back to Costa Rica.
- I don't believe you. Can anyone corroborate the 9 out of 10 claim?

(Silence)

- What? You're questioning my supreme Cuba knowledge? You ingrate.
- I was just . . .
- Shut up, you (insert childish name here). I've lost interest and won't talk to you anymore.

I'm still waiting for the person to back up this claim:



This is not a personal attack against you. It is an attempt to ensure that the information posted on this board is accurate. Why do I care so much? Partially because I want to know what I'm getting into when I go to Cuba. But I also want to make sure that future travelers that use these boards as a reference (perhaps to decide whether to go) do not face inaccurate information.

If a potential Cuba visitor looks here and sees that bbbj is impossible with hot chicks, he may not go. If we all just sat around and deferred to anyone who said anything questionable on this board, it would be full of inaccurate information. If I have done nothing in this series of posts, it has been to raise serious questions about the claim. I obviously don't know first-hand, so I will have to wait until I actually go to post my experience.


Pity :)

[El Rey De Pollo]

Always staying in Vedado and Miramar. Might be easier to get off out in the barrios. Then again, not as many cops out there to test the theory on.


this past December.

I realize Havana is getting more and more expensive but what part of Havana are you hanging in ?

Along the Malecon and La Rampa may be more as is vieja and touristy part of centro. I am never doing anything serious enough to have to pay a fine anyhow!!

[Smokers Rule]

Not sure what you think I'm misquoting you on. If you're referring to the stylized back-and-forth, that one was my tit for your tat.

So as not to misquote you, I will copy/paste the only statements we fundamentally disagree on:


Pussy is cheap. No. Pussy is expensive
9 out of 10 of the good looking girls will insist on condom for BJClearing up these questionable statements is both useful and appropriate for this board. If you want to send any personal attacks or call me an "idiot," "smart ass," or "cleverboy," please use the PM system.

[Member #4167]

Not sure what you think I'm misquoting you on. If you're referring to the stylized back-and-forth, that one was my tit for your tat. Smokers Rule,

Take what Travelling Gringo as fact.

I have followed this board and read all the posts over the last several years. I have found that Travelling Gringo and Beersterry as well as many of the other Senior Members on this board are very experienced and speak the truth.

There is more misinformation about Cuba than any other mongering destination. Frankly, many people do speak mistruths about how it works in Cuba. Not the above two members. Cuba is a complicated place to monger in. Perhaps the most complicated in the entire world.

[Member #4167]

I´ld rate theChicas 7-8, 18 – 26 years old, not chubby one definitely petite, b-c cup, morena – negrita (I´m not that familiar with the classificationsystem they were fair to darker skinned). Yes I´ld go back to Cuba, although it will be HAV and provincias next time.

IT:

Yes, 25-35 CUC TLN, did BBBJ, didn´t ask for CIM, anal.

Suerte SmilyThanks Smiley!

Were most of them on the darker side?

[Smokers Rule]

I appreciate your feedback. I do admit that it seems much more complicated than I originally thought.

Is your experience that 9/10 good looking chicks will not to bbbj?


Smokers Rule,

Take what Travelling Gringo as fact.

I have followed this board and read all the posts over the last several years. I have found that Travelling Gringo and Beersterry as well as many of the other Senior Members on this board are very experienced and speak the truth.

There is more misinformation about Cuba than any other mongering destination. Frankly, many people do speak mistruths about how it works in Cuba. Not the above two members. Cuba is a complicated place to monger in. Perhaps the most complicated in the entire world.

[Reconnoiter]

I appreciate your feedback. I do admit that it seems much more complicated than I originally thought.

Is your experience that 9/10 good looking chicks will not to bbbj?Just a quick suggestion. If a BBBJ is important to you, get yourself a STD test a week before you go and show the chicas the negative (no disease) results. Better yet, get it translated into Spanish.

For enough money you can get a chica to break into a church and steal a nun's uniform to wear while she does you. Hence, for enough money you can get a BBBJ in a church from a chica wearing a stolen nuns habit. Especially if you have proof you're NOT a risk for disease.

[Member #4167]

I appreciate your feedback. I do admit that it seems much more complicated than I originally thought.

Is your experience that 9/10 good looking chicks will not to bbbj?Depends on the classification of the provider

non-pros / semi-pros:
Nearly 100% of this category did BBBJ.

hardcore pros:

50% did BBBJ. But my stastistics are meaningless due to the small sample size. I mostly did non-pros / semi-pros.

You just can't compare mongering in Cuba to Brazil or Colombia or even the Western world. These places have developed efficient marketplaces for providers. In Cuba, the Prices/Quality/Service/Number of providers are continually changing. Because of this, different mongers will get wildly different results. Hence, Travelling Gringo reports of 90% CBJ (although it seems a bit high) are accurate - however accurate only for TG's sample. The next week another monger could experience 25% CBJ, with 75% BBBJ. The experiences in Cuba vary wildly from monger to monger. This is because the marketplace is continually changing.

To compile meaningful statistics, read the other posts in this forum and take the average of what the the other members are reporting.

In Brazil Colombia Thailand and all Western Countries (including those in which prostitution is illegal) - there exists an efficient marketplace for providers. In these countries, there are classified ads for escort, internet listings, massage parlours. None of these things exist in Cuba. In Cuba, to find a hardcore pro, you have only the nightclubs and the streets. Both of with are watched by the cops.

Don't got to Cuba and expect a Brazil-like or Colombia-like experience with tons of available women for "bargain prices."

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Member #4167]

The TLN Percentages vary depending on the category of the provider.

Hardcore pros:

The TLN Percentages for hardcore pros are small. The hardcore pros that I bedded all wanted to get done and get out. They don't want to seen leaving your place in the light of day. I doubt that TLN can be arranged with a hardcore pro. There is too much risk for them.

Semi-pro/non-pro:

The opposite is true for a "girlfriend" - semi-pro/non-pro. TLN can be arranged. But, even then, it is not always possible if she is fearful of the police or gossipy neighbors.

YMMV - but it will be difficult for you to find and bed a different semi-pro/non-pro every nite of the week. Once you have a girlfirend be prepared to spend the rest of the trip with her.

Only a tiny percentage of members on this forum report experiences of bedding multiple semi-pro/non-pros. They were able to sleep with a different non-pro/semi-pro every nite of the week. THis experience is an anomaly. It is not typical of Cuba. To get this result you have to have an illegal casa, alot of luck, knowledge of how things work in cuba, good spanish and alot of game.

Be considerate of the girl. IF she has registered her carnet in the book, she cannot re-register with a different foreigner the next nite. She can face jail time if she registers with too many foreigners.

[Member #4167]

I stayed with 5 chicas, all gfe (3 semi-pro, TLN 25-35 CUC) and 2 non-pro (internet). I tried to avoid the pros, but did some bargaining with them, I. E. 35 in Turquino; starting price 100.Did you sleep with any of girls that you met in the discos (Turquino, etc.) ?

Did you meet all of your 3 semi-pros by walking around the streets?

[Pegasus99]

I just read the debate going on in the last posts and find it a pity. Cuba is a fascinating country and has a lot to offer to visitors so we should try to stick to relating our experiences and letting readers decide for themselves what they wish to do with the information. I have personally benefitted a lot from the Forum even though sometimes the stuff mentioned worked for me and sometimes it did not.

I call Cuba fascinating because time stopped still in Cuba about 50 years ago when the embargo was imposed. I find it heart-wrenching to see that most people earn only about the equivalent of US$25-30 per month but still seem happy with their lot, despite barely having food to eat never mind any form of comforts or luxuries that are probably considered as necessities by most of us. However, this has forced a lot of girls to turn to prostitution which although, very sad for me from a human perspective, is great for the mongers.

I have been to Cuba (Havana only) a few times now, but still am learning with each visit so by no means claim to be an expert. Here are my findings from the last two trips (sorry if some of it has already been said in the forum but I don't have the time to read all the reports):

1. Hotel scene:
You will still find a few young and good looking types at the bar of the hotel who are willing to go to your room or to a casa particular for about 50-80CUC. You need to bargain as they will all invariably start with CUC100 or 150. Last time, at the recommendation of the security guard, I landed a good looking 18 year old blonde with a tight body who came up to my room for CUC50 and spent a couple of hours (did not check the TLN rate but you cannot do this at the hotel). Included in this rate was a very good BBBJ and French kissing. Excluded is the fee that one needs to pay to the security guard which can be anywhere from CUC 40 to 60 for 2 hours. You can also decide to go to a casa particular where you can stay all night if you wish. Casas are about CUC25-30 per day. However, from what I know, the casas are not really a replacement for a hotel room as they are great for a sexual sojourn but perhaps not as a primary place to lodge on a visit to Havana.
Going back to the girl, it was late in the night so there was some clock-watching from her side. However, I really liked her and fixed up a threesome for the weekend, and she would bring a girl with her that would fit my specifications. More on this later in the post.

2. Night clubs:
The only night club I have been to was the Salon Roja. It is very close to the Hotel Nacional. There is a CUC20 cover charge. On the night that I was there (a Friday night), it was packed with several gorgeous girls, all of whom were probably available for sex. I spoke to a number of them who were truly (in looks/body/promised services) 8 to 10 rated. I had some business associates with me, so I could not go with any of them, but I did negotiate the asking rate from CUC100 to 50 for at least 3 girls who I would ordinarily give an arm or leg (not my third leg, obviously) to take to bed. All offered BBBJ, FK and sex for this price plus the cost of a nearby casa particular. Perhaps my success in negotiating the rate had to do with the fact that there were more girls than guys in there, and the girls were probably rather desperate by then (it was past midnight) as they also have to pay some kind of cover charge to get in and if they don’t land at least one customer, they would be out of pocket. I got phone numbers of the girls I chatted with and plan to call them on future visits; this will also save me and the girl (s) the cover charge. There is a cost to this of course, as they will always ask for drinks and taxi fare of CUC10. I paid up the taxi fare because it seemed worth it to have a pretty girl talking to you for 20-30 minutes for that kind of cost. One of them even caressed my third leg through my jeans as we sat there! Beware though because they will try to get the 10CUC even for a few minutes chat. At the end of the night, I had spent about CUC70 for about 3 hours of chatting with pretty girls, including some fondling.

One thing you must keep in mind is that most of them speak only Spanish so you need to know some Spanish if you want to chat them up. If all you are looking for is to pick up a girl and get on with business, then they know sufficient words in English to get by!

More in my second post.
Pegasus

[Pegasus99]

Ok, part 2 and on to other ways of finding chicks in Havana.

3. Casa particular:
I have used a casa recommended by a fellow forum member once before, and also on this visit. The casa is reasonable and the owners are a very friendly couple. However, I find the casa owner to be a bit too friendly (very curious and asks too many questions), greedy overall and he charges an exorbitant rate for drinks. He also wanted to charge me extra for each girl I bring in, especially for the threesome I had. Further, his living room smells strongly of dogs as he has some huge dogs just in the back. Still, he always comes to the hotel to pick me up and does not register the girls. Next time, I may try another casa just for a change.

The owner of this case can arrange girls fairly easily and the rates are then CUC35-50 for a few hours, which I sampled on an earlier visit. But the girls are about 6-7 in looks, and despite clear instructions on the kind of girl I wanted, he could not deliver to the specs. Still worth it if you have no other source as I am comparing with other girls that I have discovered which is not fair in absolute terms. They also do BBBJ within this price, and one of them was actually having multiple orgasms which is always nice as she was not fake. I think she is just a regular girl as I saw her selling some snacks on the street on my last visit near the casa particular and she greeted me with a kiss as she remembered me from the previous visit.

On this last visit, I wanted to try out the threesome with the 18 yr old that I met at the hotel bar. So, after calling her each day to remind her of our weekend appointment, sure enough she was there with her 20 year old cousin, who was even more attractive and absolutely very eager to please. I quickly paid up the CUC50 each, and got going with them. They started getting jumpy in 2 hours as they had some excuse or the other to leave. I think that if I had paid say CUC80, I would have been able to keep them longer and they would have been more willing to do extras. For example, they refused to kiss each other or go down on each other for the CUC50 that I paid them. Also, they did not let me finish in their mouth as would be my preference. But next time, I will definitely ask the cousin to join me as she was just too good, and pay her something more to ensure I get the extras as well. She is young, pretty, petite, has a fantastic body and eager to please. So I ask you, what else does a man need?!

4. Arrangers:
I was introduced to a person who could arrange girls and a casa particular by a good friend of mine. As I was only there for a few days, I met up with him just to check him out. He speaks English and looked very solid and reliable, and I trusted him immediately (also because he is very well known to my friend). He runs a bar and could arrange a few girls (from his bar and outsiders) for me to take my pick. Cost would be about CUC50 for all day or all night plus a casa for about CUC30. He even told me what kind of girls he had in comparison to my taste and I appreciated his honesty. Again, definitely something for next time.

Pegasus

[Pegasus99]

Last post for the moment and this comes straight from the heart.

5. Girlfriends:
I could not resist adding part 3 as it deals with something a lot of us become victim to. I am a romantic at heart, so I keep looking for a girl friend each time I decide to monger. Cuba is no exception, and I found some potential girls on the internet. Having spend some time and money on correspondence and phone calls, I met up with one of the girls from the Technical university (most of the girls I corresponded with are from this Uni) on an earlier visit. She is 18, short and cute. She came to visit me, and after a bit of fooling around (BBBJ/rimming), she told me that she had pain in her stomach due to her period. So, we walked around a bit in the market (we were not stopped by any cops), had a drink and generally had a good time as if we were old friends. She speaks no English, and my Spanish is just barely recognizable, but still we were able to communicate with each other. In anticipation of great things to come (she promised to come back later in the weekend with a friend for a threesome and claimed she would do everything to satisfy me), I bought her a guitar which cost about CUC70. I had also bought her some gifts from abroad. We had a nice evening and I had to pay for her transportation from/to the Uni (not cheap as it 30 minutes away from old Havana). Sure enough she came back in the weekend with a friend, but this friend was her best friend and not in for sex. We did further fun things together including going to the fort to see the 9PM cannon blast, dinner etc. Then when we were back at the casa particular, I was a little impatient as it was our last night and I wanted some action. Then came a whole bunch of excuses that the friend had to leave, and she could not stay as the friend would think she was a prostitute (!). To cut a long story short, I was out of a couple of hundred CUC in gifts, taxi fares, cost of casa particular and had just one BJ to show for it! I really got suckered by her. As I am a glutton for punishment, I kept in touch with her in order to try to get my money’s worth on future trips, but she was having some health problems with her throat, and I wisely decided not to meet her on my last trip (how can I get a good BBBJ if she has throat issues!). She did of course shamelessly ask me to bring her either a laptop or digital camera as a gift, so I have this feeling that she will be a very expensive girlfriend…

I tried the same on my last visit with another girl from the same website – this one slightly older (late 20s, skinny, blonde, reasonably good looking) and more mature, and living closer. We met one evening in my hotel and had some drinks together as she did not want to do anything the first time. After the first evening she declared that she was willing to take me on as her boyfriend (loose translation: have sex with me), but I did not really get a chance to take her up on her offer as she works alternate days and did not want to make it too late whereas I only had time after midnight. I will look her up on a future visit if I get desperate.

I am also looking to get involved with a young lady who I met at an office I was visiting. She is definitely not a pro and spent several hours with me chatting and taking me on a Havana tour over 2 evenings without asking me for anything except taxi fare from her home which I thought was very reasonable. We also walked the Malecon for a bit and again did not get bothered by cops. She is drop dead gorgeous and fits every fantasy of mine, and I am keeping in touch with her in the hope that the friendship can turn into something more over time.

Sometimes I think it is just best to pay and get what you want instead of getting involved and then dealing with emotions, requests for gifts etc. But then again, as I said, I am a sucker for punishment and am still looking for love…so pray for me that I am able to protect myself from ruin…!

I am falling in love with Cuba and everything it represents (especially the girls!), and could not resist writing extensively about my experiences. Hope all this rambling helps at least a little bit.

Signing off,
Pegasus

[Member #4167]

Hi Pegasus - thank you for your post -


1. Hotel scene:

Last time, at the recommendation of the security guard, I landed a good looking 18 year old blonde with a tight body who came up to my room for CUC50 and spent a couple of hours 50CUC for the girl - she probably had to kick back 10 - 20 to the security guard for the "referral"


Excluded is the fee that one needs to pay to the security guard which can be anywhere from CUC 40 to 60 for 2 hours. You said
most people earn only about the equivalent of US$25-30 per month Minimum wage is 10/month. Guaranteed - The guard makes no more than 15/month.

So here you are paying a guy a bribe of two to three months salary ?

Are you insane ? I have heard that 5CUC bribe will do.

PLus, he got his commission from the girl for the referral. He made out quite nicely on the deal. With his commission, he made way more money than the provider. He is probably ridiculling you to his family and freinds.

You are driving up the price for the rest of us.

So now you have paid 50CUC for the girl plus 40CUC for the bribe = 90 CUC - for two hours. That's 45 CUC/hour. Cheap by western standards. Pricey by third-world standards.

As for paying 50CUC for the girl - You can probably get freelancers for 20-30 CUC.

[Member #4167]

they will always ask for drinks and taxi fare of CUC10. I paid up the taxi fare because it seemed worth it to have a pretty girl talking to you for 20-30 minutes for that kind of cost. One of them even caressed my third leg through my jeans as we sat there! Beware though because they will try to get the 10CUC even for a few minutes chat. At the end of the night, I had spent about CUC70 for about 3 hours of chatting with pretty girls, including some fondling.Taxi fare? Trust me - she will walk or take a camelo home. Or she will give a BJ to a cubano for a ride. No way she is paying 10CUC for a taxi. That money was straight profit.

You paid 10CUC just to get a girl to talk to you?

All she has to do is meet a few guys to pay her 10CUC and she has made her "nut" for the night. She has made so much money - she doesn't need to sleep with anyone.

In total you paid CUC70 and all you got was some fondling ?

No wonder the prices of cubanas have gone up.

Stop doing this, you are making life difficult for the rest of us ?

[Smokers Rule]

Pegasus:

Thank you for your helpful, informative report. Thank you also for detailing your experiences in Havana.

I'm sold...I'm going!

[Member #4167]

To cut a long story short, I was out of a couple of hundred CUC in gifts, taxi fares, cost of casa particular and had just one BJ to show for it! I really got suckered by her. As I am a glutton for punishment, I kept in touch with her in order to try to get my money’s worth on future trips I cannot fault you. At the beginning of my overseas mongering game, I have been fooled by many of the same things. Not to the degree you have, but I have seen each of these games.

In three posts: You have overpaid. You gave money in advance without sex. And you have fallen for the most popular con game in cuba.

Are you joking? Are your posts for real ? Are they a fabricated story told as a cautionary tale?

[Lerxsttt]

Thanks for posting.

I'd do things differently though.

I've never been to Habana, my experience is in Holguin and Camaguey.

For starters, I NEVER - repeat NEVER give any CUC up front to a chica - for anything - NO EXCEPTIONS.

When I'm mongering I make it very clear to whoever I'm with that I'm in charge, and I'll call the shots, I'm never rude but definitely in control, I'm 41 yrs old 6ft tall and about 260 lbs so I can be intimidating if I have to.

I also believe that Cuban girls will have zero respect for you if you give them whatever they want, all womenn Cuban or not find it difficult to fuck someone they don't respect.

I've learned this over the years as I tried to be a "nice guy" and got nowhere, it wasn't until I stopped being the nice guy did I start to get more action, women want strong men (mentally tough) not pussies.

I'm an average looking guy (at best) but have been with some hotties due to my dominant nature, women may say they don't like it but their actions speak louder than their words.

[Lerxsttt]

In Santa Lucia, I was at a club and found a girl I liked, I got her outside and was going to take her to the beach for some action.

I had rented a motor scooter and had a blanket in the storage compartment, it was August so it was very hot and I didn't want to be bothered with finding a casa and paying the fee. Screwing on the beach on a blanket under a full moon beats paying for a casa anytime.

We're at the beach against a tree and were making out, I tell her I'll give her $20 and she says ok, start to take her clothes off and she asks for the money.
This is a dealbreaker and I told here we're done and lets go back to the club, she says its ok pay me later but it was too late, she was giving me signs she was a emi-pro earlier and this was more than I was interested in.

For the rest of my trip I saw her in the club every night, she watched me take other girls and not give her any attention, I was never asked for money up front any other time.

Remember, the guy with the cash is boss, pussy is a commodity and is plentiful in Cuba. Don't let the girl or your dick tell you who is boss.

[La Isla]

I also believe that Cuban girls will have zero respect for you if you give them whatever they want, all womenn Cuban or not find it difficult to fuck someone they don't respect.
(Cuban) women want strong men (mentally tough) not pussies.


Amen...a man who understands Cubanas. Take heed guys, its the straight up truth. Be nice, but firm, and she's yours.

[Smokers Rule]

So bear with me if this is a stupid question...

The non-pro/semi-pro Cubanas who are looking for husbands to take them away...what do they think of Americans? Do they really think that Americans offer them a future? It seems to me like even if I found the perfect girl in Cuba and wanted for some God forsaken reason to bring her back, it would be absolutely impossible. Certainly Cubanas know this.

Maybe it would be best for me to pretend to be Canadian? Eh?

[La Isla]

So bear with me if this is a stupid question...

The non-pro/semi-pro Cubanas who are looking for husbands to take them away...what do they think of Americans? Do they really think that Americans offer them a future? It seems to me like even if I found the perfect girl in Cuba and wanted for some God forsaken reason to bring her back, it would be absolutely impossible. Certainly Cubanas know this.

Maybe it would be best for me to pretend to be Canadian? Eh?

It's not a stupid question. Bringing back a Cubana is difficult (and expensive), but definately not impossible. I have seen it done several times.

Will it last? That's a whole different topic of discussion.....

[Smokers Rule]

Well I don't want to bring one back. I just want to trick one into thinking that I may :)


It's not a stupid question. Bringing back a Cubana is difficult (and expensive), but definately not impossible. I have seen it done several times.

Will it last? That's a whole different topic of discussion.....

[El Rey De Pollo]

First off, thanks for the post. Always nice to hear about first-timers experiences in Cuba.

BUT - your post should be read as a 'this is all the things you DON'T do in Cuba', so that other travellers can learn from your massive series of mistakes.

You have been suckered by just about anybody. Cuban jineteras love yumas like you who throw money around without expecting much in return. But they have no respect for you.

Paying 70 cuc just for talking to girls in a nightclub is about the craziest thing I ever heard anyone do in Havana. We are talking about a city where there is litterally half a million girls who are dying for the chance to talk to foreigners - and you're paying them to talk like in some champagne-stripclub in Europe or the US? I can't belive this...

I am sorry you went out like this for your sake. But I am close to horrified of the way you throw around money for everyone elses sake. Like Water Boy said, you are simply ruining the country for everybody else and it is because of guys like you that Cuba is often called 'a third world country with first world prices'.

Thanks again for the report. I hope everyone who reads it in the future will know that this is a guide on everything one should not do in Cuba.

[Americano573]

Cuba has already been ruined you can thank the italians for that! Pegasus 99 is not doing anything that many others haven't done in the past and are still doing in the present! I know an italian guy who pays the taxi fare of a girl to come to him in havana she lives in santiago! Go figure! On top of that he brings her $300 worth of gifts bought her a bike which she has given to her cuban novio (cousin) ha! H! Ha! Experienced cuban mongers know the whole cousin /uncle story (if she says its her cousin its her boyfriend and if she says the guy is her uncle its usually her husband) anyway back to the story the point that I am trying to make is thgat obviously this girl is using him just like tons of other guys who get used when the decide to wantonly through money around (first time mongers take note) to add insult to injury when this guy goes to use the pool she bangs the son of the casa particular owner. The joker in question normally visits Cuba every 3 months and spends at least 10 days he plays her close to $500 for the time she spends with him in total. I have been gong to Cuba since 1996 an have loged at least 35 trips oh how I miss the halcyon days! I have been lurking on this bord for quite a while and I have read alot of reports and opinions just to add my two cents Cuba is what you make it but please there is no need for anyone to pay any of these a ladies over $50 and that is for the 9s/10s $ 20. $ 30 is fine for the provider $ 5-$10 is normally good enough for the bribe. Pegasus 99 please enligthen us as to why you were paying the casa particular owner extra to bring girls there? That is a first for me anyway nothing in Cuba shocks me anymore.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Smokers Rule]

I hope everyone who reads it in the future will know that this is a guide on everything one should not do in Cuba.

I think you and Water Boy may be overreacting a bit. From what I've read, Pegasus' nightclub experience was over the top. But the rest of his report seems pretty in line with most things I have read. (e.g., hotel, casa owner, Internet girlfriends). Give the guy credit for arranging Internet hookups before he even got there (though they didn't go well). I agree he shouldn't have let them sucker him into the gifts, though.

Blanket criticisms discourage people from posting on this board. Again--I have no first hand experience in Cuba--but from what I've read, it looks like Pegasus did some things right and some things wrong. This is certainly no "guide" on "everything" one should not do in Cuba.

Just my opinion.

[BeersTerry]

Well, it is a first timer from the western world. Just chalk it up to a lack of aclimatization. Next time he will know better.

It was alot of money to toss around. I still can't believe the $40 to the security guard, I guess he got fucked twice that night.

[Member #4167]

Hey Americano.

I am glad that Pegasus's "Tale of horror" flushed you out of your lurking mode and got you to make your first post! You speak the straight-up truth on Cuba. So I am glad to see your comments.


Cuba has already been ruined you can thank the italians for that! Pegasus 99 is not doing anything that many others haven't done in the past and are still doing in the present! So true!


please there is no need for anyone to pay any of these a ladies over $50 and that is for the 9s/10s $ 20. $ 30 is fine for the provider $ 5-$10 is normally good enough for the bribe. I'll second that! Over 50 is for 9's/10's!


nothing in Cuba shocks me anymore. I consider myself somewhere between a Cuba Novice and a Cuba Expert. I have spent appx 2-3 months recently in Cuba.

I agree with your statement "nothing in Cuba shocks me anymore"

I believe this to be true: that the guard could have asked for 40-60 CUC and would not have accepted anything less. I don't fault Pegasus's negotiating skills, only the fact that he was foolish to pay that amount.

Unless their is a printed price list, the standard pricing for services is always "as high as the cubano thinks they can get. " In Cuba, you are charged based upon your nationality (extranjero vs cubano) first. And your perceived ability to pay second.

I bet you that even had Pegasus countered with "No, the going rate is 5-10CUC. I'll give you 10. If you won't accept that. I'm taking my money elsewhere" Their is a good chance the guard would have stuck by his guns. And insisted on 40CUC. Cubanos are getting greedy. They are getting outrageous in their demands (perhaps due to overpaying italians) and more and more are sticking by their guns.

The only solution is to find a cheaper alternative. Pay the 5-10 to an illegal Casa Particular. The greedy guard loses out on 10CUC. Which is 3 weeks salary to him.

Do the others on the board concur with me on this?

[Member #4167]

I think you and Water Boy may be overreacting a bit.
From what I've read, Pegasus' nightclub experience was over the top.

I am not overreacting. When you read what the other Senior Members have posted on this topic, you'll see that my comments are supported. Pegasus report was over the top. I think perhaps he crafted his post to elicit a strong response. He did well!


This is certainly no "guide" on "everything" one should not do in Cuba. You haven't visited Cuba, and you feel you are qualified to give an expert opinion on Cuba.

Therefore, I have given you all the advice I can. I will no longer advise you/respond to your posts.

You posted earlier that you are going to go to Cuba. When you do go, please post a trip report on how Cuba compares to the other more developed mongering destinations. Please do not take this request as sarcastic, I am always interested to hear how Cuba compares to the other more developed mongering destinations.

Good luck!

[Member #4167]

For starters, I NEVER - repeat NEVER give any CUC up front to a chica - for anything - NO EXCEPTIONS.
...
When I'm mongering I make it very clear to whoever I'm with that I'm in charge, and I'll call the shots, I'm never rude but definitely in control,
...
I've learned this over the years as I tried to be a "nice guy" and got nowhere, it wasn't until I stopped being the nice guy did I start to get more action, I agree 100%! Tell it like it is, brother!

I have been swindled by the upfront request and no longer fall for it.

I say "Take a taxi. And I'll pay for it when you get here. " Of course, then she could work out a deal with the taxista like "Charge him triple the going rate and kick me back 10 CUC. " There are many con games in Cuba. I was fooled at first thinking "hey it's a pitifully small amount. They wouldn't con me for that. " Never underestimate the intelligence of a cubano. In nearly every transaction they are looking for ways to get CUC from you. They will go to great lengths to con 5-10 CUC from you. In Cuba, you have to continually be on your guard. In every transaction, you have to continually be thinking "How are they conning me here? " This is one of the downsides to Cuba.

If you are a novice, it is hard not to fall for them the first time. But given the high number of con games, it is expensive education. Hopefully, one doesnt fall twice for the same trick.

5-10 CUC is meaningless. However, I don't like to feel like a sucker. A chump. This feeling is another downside to Cuba.

Question: what is the spanish/cuban word for sucker or chump?

[Member #4167]

In Santa Lucia, I was at a club and found a girl I liked, I got her outside and was going to take her to the beach for some action.HEy - when (what year) were you in Playa Santa Lucia? I was there earlier this year. I didn't hit the clubs, as I was sort of off the market. By the El Rapido, there were 1-2 providers, both nasty. No other talent walking around.

[Bichu]

Give the man a break.

I've been to Hav nine times since -97. I too did some of the mistakes that Pegasus did. I'm sure he'll do better the next time. We live and learn and so do we all, including seasoned mongerers. There is always a new angle to be learned, escpecially in Cuba.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Well, good thing you're around to let people know when other posters are wrong. You have read about Cuba on your computer screen in The States, so you know the deal down there and can tell immediately when people who have travelled to the island extensively are wrong.

What's wrong with you man? I don't know whether to cry or laugh at your posts...

The post in question IS the about the closest thing I have seen on how NOT to work Cuba. And I did thank the guy. Lot to learn from that report.

I really wanted to ignore you, but it's very difficult. You're something else.

If I was you I would stick to asking questions (allthough you don't seem to need any answers) and wait on telling whats right and whats wrong about Cuba - and correcting people who know the place - until you have actually set foot in the country.



I think you and Water Boy may be overreacting a bit. From what I've read, Pegasus' nightclub experience was over the top. But the rest of his report seems pretty in line with most things I have read. (e.g., hotel, casa owner, Internet girlfriends). Give the guy credit for arranging Internet hookups before he even got there (though they didn't go well). I agree he shouldn't have let them sucker him into the gifts, though.

Blanket criticisms discourage people from posting on this board. Again--I have no first hand experience in Cuba--but from what I've read, it looks like Pegasus did some things right and some things wrong. This is certainly no "guide" on "everything" one should not do in Cuba.

Just my opinion.

[Smokers Rule]

Well, good thing you're around to let people know when other posters are wrong. You have read about Cuba on your computer screen in The States, so you know the deal down there and can tell immediately when people who have travelled to the island extensively are wrong.

What's wrong with you man? I don't know whether to cry or laugh at your posts...

The post in question IS the about the closest thing I have seen on how NOT to work Cuba. And I did thank the guy. Lot to learn from that report.

I really wanted to ignore you, but it's very difficult. You're something else.

If I was you I would stick to asking questions (allthough you don't seem to need any answers) and wait on telling whats right and whats wrong about Cuba - and correcting people who know the place - until you have actually set foot in the country.

Travelling Gring: Breathe in, breathe out, move on. Chillax my friend.

[Americano573]

Just to update you guys on a old Cuba scam that has resurfaced. It seems that the police know that they have the girls and the mongers running scared makng it almost impossible to just walk back to your casa with a chica as you will be stopped with her if you obvously look like a tourist and the girl a cubana. They know that to get around this mongers take taxis with the girls or let the girl follow them in separate taxis etc. However it seems that the taxi drivers and the police are now partners in crime as the moment you tell (them)taxi driver your destination he uses his cell phone to call his police buddy who then conveniently waits on the route or street on which the taxi wil pass and without a doubt you will be signalled to stop he will threathen to bring the girl to jail no doubt expecting you to offer him a propina don't be surprised if the girl is also in on the scam as well.

[Trafalgar2]

First of all, thank you Pegasus99 for your post and all the other guys for your comments.

Pegasus, while most of the things you write may be cool in any western country, they don't make sense in Cuba. You were really overpaying and for sure all these suckers who got money from you, afterwards were laughing about your generousity / stupidity.

I'm not one of the most experienced mongers around, I just have travelled A LOT in Latin America, in the last few years especially all around Cuba. Personally I never found it difficult to pick up chicas I liked without even mentioning money (of course you ALWAYS end up paying one way or another). But, just to mention it: I am NOT afraid to go home alone if I can't find what I'm looking for and I have done so. So I strongly agree with the comments of Water Boy, Yyzguy118, Bahia Boy, Travelling Gring (I know MANY of us APPRECIATE your posts and your pics), Americano573 (good 1st post!) and Beersterry.

Just to add some of my personal experiences: The last time I was in a Havana night club alone (without a girl) I have been touched, kissed and allowed to touch some nice booty by different girls without any need to pay their taxi fare. This is RIDICULOUS! If they really go home in a taxi, paying CUC, they are the hardest hard-core-pros I've seen.

I confess, I have a good heart, that's why I paid a cerveza for a nice slim model-type mulatta who was trying so hard to convince me to be her "novio". While her "arguments" were really great (maybe a 9+ on my personal list), she was just a little too pushy. I'm old-fashioned, so it's still like that for me: I'm the hunter - she's the game, right? So, with her doing everything to make sure I would leave with her, I was cool to check out my other options without any hassle. I'm sure this helped a lot to find the more quiet and shy chica I later left with. Total cost for the really good job the mulatta was doing: 1 CUC for the beer.

The night before I had been in one of these all-inclusive-nightclubs (10 CUC cover charge, all the drinks were for free). You wouldn't believe how stupid the putas there think we yumas are: Three different chicks tried the same lousy trick on me: One came to talk to me and when after some chit-chat she realized I wasn't willing to pay her (better said any) price, she asked me for a fula (1 CUC) in order to buy a drink because she was so thirsty. I laughed in her face, but still (as I'm mister nice guy) offered to bring her a drink from the bar (you remember: all for free...). Never seen a girl disappear so fast, and she didn't even say "thank you" or "good bye". What a cheap rat!

The other night when I was leaving El Chevere with an Italian friend of mine, in the parking lot we could hear two girls negotiating with two older Italians. The girls claimed 100 CUC, the guys offered 70. Okay, I confess, I was an asshole spoiling these guys night when I started the car, pumped up the volume of the reggaeton CD, giving a smile to the chicks standing close to our car. In a second, one of them came over to ask if we could give them a ride to the Malecon. I told her, we were not willing to pay for anything, and she said fine, they just wanted a ride. So these good-looking more pro than semi-pro chicks left the Italian guys and their 70-CUC-offer behind, for a fun-ride to Vedado, where we bought a bottle of rum, some cola and had our private fiesta with music from the car stereo. Honestly, afterwards I was too drunk to even think of sex, so we just dropped the girls where they lived, promising we would pick them up the next day, which we never did. Total cost for a lot of dancing, fondling and kissing: maybe 10 CUC or so, for the drinks.

A few nights before in a nightclub in Santa Clara (where I was the only yuma) the guy at the entrance offered me his help if I needed anything (means: company). Well-educated as I am, I thanked him, but would never think of asking for anything. So like after half an hour he appeared at my table, telling me that those two nice young girls were interested, and they had sent him to ask if I was willing to let them sit down at my table (haha).

As it always makes an ugly impression to be sitting alone at a table, while everyone else is accompanied, I accepted, telling them upfront, I would just invite them to have one beer with me, nothing else. They were the hottest bitches I could imagine - for doing a porno movie - dressed up like real hookers, but I sure would not have sex with them (as I stated in another post, I need the GFE-type). But they did everything I expected, they danced, smiled, chatted and made ME appear more interesting.

Later I saw a hot girl on the dance floor, regular dressed in blue jeans, NO high-heels, but a 9 on my body index. Of course she had noticed the company at my table and she was worried. But when I convinced her they were just some jineteras and I cared for "real" girls, everything was easy. Of course the jineteras would not believe a non- or semi-pro student could be more appealing to me than them, but after some trials to convince me that I would have more fun with them, they accepted the fact. Just to add, I bought one more beer for everyone (including the chica who was with the girl of my choice and for the doorman / chulo?) and off we went.

As I'm a gentleman, I offered the other three girls to give them a ride home (of course NOT in a taxi), which they eagerly accepted. Total cost for the company of the jineteras: 5 CUC for the beers and some driving around with three hot chicks in the back of my car, while I was already being caressed by my new novia in the front. Just to mention it: I guess I would not have offered them the ride home if it was in Havana and I on my own without any backup... And of course: I warn everybody to try stupid things like this at home - or whereever - at least if you're not completely sure you can handle the situation.

And just in case: If some wit-ass wants to know where to find the report about my last trip in may, let's say I'm momentarily off the market, but I'm willing to answer any questions concerning non-pro matters (actually up-to-date only in Havana, Matanzas, Varadero and Holguin areas).

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[Pegasus99]

So I got suckered and am man enough to admit it and share my experiences so the uninitiated can decide for themselves what to do and what not to do. As far as I can see, I do not detect any real tips in any of your posts even though you trash my experiences so casually. But anyway, that is not the point. I agree that the internet girl really took me for a ride, and I hope I have learnt my lessons as that was my very first experience. But the CUC70 in the night club included my cover charge, drinks for me, my friend and for the girls that WE CHOSE to be with and spend some time with. The taxi fare was given voluntarily and also denied to some others who asked anyway. I am not in the habit of throwing money away, and don't think all my experiences were worthy of being things not to do. I have seen many pictures of girls on the Cuba posts and with all due respect, I am happy to pay the money I did for some top class action. I do not really see what is the big difference between the CUC40 you pay as a max and the CUC 50 I paid for gorgeous young model type girls.

Perhaps you can take some advise from Smokers Rule and chill out. Respect for other forum members is never a bad thing, but then that is my humble opinion.


First off, thanks for the post. Always nice to hear about first-timers experiences in Cuba.

BUT - your post should be read as a 'this is all the things you DON'T do in Cuba', so that other travellers can learn from your massive series of mistakes.

You have been suckered by just about anybody. Cuban jineteras love yumas like you who throw money around without expecting much in return. But they have no respect for you.

Paying 70 cuc just for talking to girls in a nightclub is about the craziest thing I ever heard anyone do in Havana. We are talking about a city where there is litterally half a million girls who are dying for the chance to talk to foreigners - and you're paying them to talk like in some champagne-stripclub in Europe or the US? I can't belive this...

I am sorry you went out like this for your sake. But I am close to horrified of the way you throw around money for everyone elses sake. Like Water Boy said, you are simply ruining the country for everybody else and it is because of guys like you that Cuba is often called 'a third world country with first world prices'.

Thanks again for the report. I hope everyone who reads it in the future will know that this is a guide on everything one should not do in Cuba.

[Pegasus99]

To you and Beersterry,

What would you suggest then from your own experiences? I too find it ridiculous to pay to take the girl to my room but did not seem to have a choice. Considering the options, CUC40 for the comfort of my own room seems reasonable compared with CUC25-30 for a smelly and badly furnished casa particular. I have tried to negotiate the rate with different security guards at the hotel, but they all maintain the price and have to share it with other staff in the lobby. Is it any different at other hotels (I only have experience at one hotel)?

Pegasus


Hi Pegasus - thank you for your post -

50CUC for the girl - she probably had to kick back 10 - 20 to the security guard for the "referral"

You said Minimum wage is 10/month. Guaranteed - The guard makes no more than 15/month.

So here you are paying a guy a bribe of two to three months salary ?

Are you insane ? I have heard that 5CUC bribe will do.

PLus, he got his commission from the girl for the referral. He made out quite nicely on the deal. With his commission, he made way more money than the provider. He is probably ridiculling you to his family and freinds.

You are driving up the price for the rest of us.

So now you have paid 50CUC for the girl plus 40CUC for the bribe = 90 CUC - for two hours. That's 45 CUC/hour. Cheap by western standards. Pricey by third-world standards.

As for paying 50CUC for the girl - You can probably get freelancers for 20-30 CUC.

[La Isla]

Pegasus,
Don't let those guys rattle you. Your experience is what it is. Many, many have have HUGE mistakes on this board but few post about them. Kudos to you for doing so.
For the record, there are many nice casas in La Habana for 30CUC a night with your own bath, fridge, entrance and key. PM me and I'll give you more info for next time.

By the way, did you use Cyberc.... to find these girls or another site? A heads up to all would be appreciated.

[Pegasus99]

If you read my post carefully, you will see that I did not say I paid extra for the girls, but that the casa owner asked for it. I ignored his comments and paid just the regular CUC25. That is the reason I said he seemed greedy, and that I would try another one next time.

By the way, given that you seem to be a seasoned Cuban traveler, why don't you share your experiences with the rest of us. Simply lurking around does not help the community at large...


Cuba has already been ruined you can thank the italians for that! Pegasus 99 is not doing anything that many others haven't done in the past and are still doing in the present! I know an italian guy who pays the taxi fare of a girl to come to him in havana she lives in santiago! Go figure! On top of that he brings her $300 worth of gifts bought her a bike which she has given to her cuban novio (cousin) ha! H! Ha! Experienced cuban mongers know the whole cousin /uncle story (if she says its her cousin its her boyfriend and if she says the guy is her uncle its usually her husband) anyway back to the story the point that I am trying to make is thgat obviously this girl is using him just like tons of other guys who get used when the decide to wantonly through money around (first time mongers take note) to add insult to injury when this guy goes to use the pool she bangs the son of the casa particular owner. The joker in question normally visits Cuba every 3 months and spends at least 10 days he plays her close to $500 for the time she spends with him in total. I have been gong to Cuba since 1996 an have loged at least 35 trips oh how I miss the halcyon days! I have been lurking on this bord for quite a while and I have read alot of reports and opinions just to add my two cents Cuba is what you make it but please there is no need for anyone to pay any of these a ladies over $50 and that is for the 9s/10s $ 20. $ 30 is fine for the provider $ 5-$10 is normally good enough for the bribe. Pegasus 99 please enligthen us as to why you were paying the casa particular owner extra to bring girls there? That is a first for me anyway nothing in Cuba shocks me anymore.

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[Smokers Rule]

Tensions are high on the Havana board.

Let's all just try to get along.

Thanks to everyone for their contributions to this board. This includes Pegasus, who made some mistakes but was man enough to admit it, WaterBoy, who has posted some great info, and my friend Travelling Gringo, who recently posted some excellent pics in the photo gallery.

If nothing else, we've got the Havana boards hopping again. Let's keep it that way!

Suerte!

[Pegasus99]

Thanks, you are absolutely right. I don't get rattled easily but we should not abuse our right to expression/democracy, especially on a Cuba forum which seems quite an irony.

I managed to get in touch with quite a few girls on badoo. I will PM you separately for the casa name and also give you the name of the girl who you should avoid :).


Pegasus,
Don't let those guys rattle you. Your experience is what it is. Many, many have have HUGE mistakes on this board but few post about them. Kudos to you for doing so.
For the record, there are many nice casas in La Habana for 30CUC a night with your own bath, fridge, entrance and key. PM me and I'll give you more info for next time.

By the way, did you use Cyberc.... to find these girls or another site? A heads up to all would be appreciated.

[Americano573]

Firstly I would like to inform pegasus 99 that my report was not a personal attack against him. However I mantain my stance here as a lurker and will only comment when I see the need, therefore if there is something in particular that you or anyone else wants to know, I will gladly share it with you on this forum.

[Lerxsttt]

HEy - when (what year) were you in Playa Santa Lucia? I was there earlier this year. I didn't hit the clubs, as I was sort of off the market. By the El Rapido, there were 1-2 providers, both nasty. No other talent walking around.Water Boy,

I've been to Santa Lucia every year at least once since 2005.

My last trip to Santa Lucia was August 2007. My first visit to the island when it wasn't winter in Canada, man was it hot.

The upside to going in August was there were fewer tourists and more than enough girls to go around, I met a few girls that came into town from Las Tunas looking to play.

I alternate between Santa Lucia and Holguin, but its easier/cheaper to fly to Holguin from Toronto and I've made enough contacts now that I can get *almost* whatever I want when I'm in the city.

I'm thinking about giving the Dominican Republic a try but I like the Cuban women very much (light complexion - Not mullata or black), the ones I've picked up in Holguin all gave GFE with lots of kissing, a two hour session included two to three pops (if I was able - by the end of my trip I was happy to come once, then go home).

I'll be going back in either Sept or Oct.

[Lerxsttt]

I like sitting in a club with chicas, last time in Santa Lucia I had three girls, all from Las Tunas sit with me, of course they all wanted a drink (and likely another and so on), so I said ok, lets drink, went to the bar and bought a bottle of rum (approx $10 CUC) and some colas and we drank, the girls got to drink, and I spent as little as possible, when the bottle was done, so were we.

This solves the problem of girls asking for money for a "Cuba Libre" where they likely get a cut from the bartender.

I don't mind spending money to have fun, but supporting the drinking habits of chicas looking to extract everything they can from me is not my style.

Remember, foreigners with money should call the shots.

The chicas have the pussy, there is lots of it in Cuba, I have the money, which is not so easy to come by in Cuba, do the math, the guy with the $$$ is boss.

[BeersTerry]

Actually, the situation is bass ackwards in Havana.

The customer means shit. The service provider is king, because he has access to scarce goods that you want. The funny thing is that Cubans like the security guard will take nothing over $10 but will be begging for $1 the next day.

You have to walk away from these guys. If you don't they will think they can get $40 every time.

[Member #4167]

What would you suggest then from your own experiences? I too find it ridiculous to pay to take the girl to my room but did not seem to have a choice. Considering the options, CUC40 for the comfort of my own room seems reasonable compared with CUC25-30 for a smelly and badly furnished casa particular. I have tried to negotiate the rate with different security guards at the hotel, but they all maintain the price and have to share it with other staff in the lobby. Is it any different at other hotels (I only have experience at one hotel)? PegasusI think La Isla answered it perfectly. For 35. 45 CUC you can get a very nice fully furnished apartment with an independent entrance. Make this your home base rather than the hotel. You either sneak girls in or get a chica-freindly casa owner. The 35-45 CUC is equivalent to the bribe you would have had pay the guard, and is probably a heck of lot less than a hotel.

If you are in a hotel again you can rent an illegal Casa Particular by the hour. The going rate is $5 for 2 hours for extranjeros (the price charged cubans is $1 / hour) this could be run down and badly furnished. Although I have seen some that are pretty nice. Why would you care? The only furnishing you need is a bed. Even in the run-down places, cubans are very proud and most keep their places spotless (interiors). I have rarely been in a casa I would consider smelly.

Screw the guard. He is being greedy

[El Rey De Pollo]

I gotta totally agree with you, Beersterry. It's a matter of principles. If I stop a cab in Vedado and he says 5 cuc for Vieja, and I know the price is 3, I never pay 5 even though it doesn't make a difference to me. He will agree to 3 nine out of ten times, but of he rejects I will rather wait in the rain or burning sun for an hour than being a sucker. It's a matter of never letting them scam you because you're a tourist and not letting them get used to it.

Every time a gringo is throwing around money somewhere he is raising the bar for everybody. Because the chicas in the bar, the guard in the door, the provider on the bicitaxi, the casa owner, the whatever will start out asking the same price from the next guy.

Which is my egotistic reason for letting people know that you don't pay 70 cuc (or 30 for that matter) in a club without that price including sex.

[Member #4167]

pegasus. thank you for your original post. it has been the catalyst that this forum needed to pick up posting

i have no personal gripe against you, you have not offended me. i get peeved in general about mongers falling for scams.


but the cuc70 in the night club included my cover charge, drinks for me, my friend and for the girls that we chose to be with and spend some time with. spend your money as you wish. read the other reports here in this forum to learn of others have spent alot less money to enjoy the company of a girl.

when you give money upfront you are ruining it for everyone else, and for yourself, too, because she will consider you a fool, a chump.


the taxi fare was given voluntarily the money is always given voluntarily by the victim in swindles


i am happy to pay the money i did for some top class action. i do not really see what is the big difference between the cuc40 you pay as a max and the cuc 50 i paid for gorgeous young model type girls. i agree with you on this point. cuc50 is not unreasonable for a 9/10. yes, you can get attractive freelancers for less. but, sometimes there are women you just gotta have. i have seen fotos of women that others have paid more for.

[Member #4167]

Actually, the situation is bass ackwards in Havana.

The customer means shit. The service provider is king, because he has access to scarce goods that you want. The funny thing is that Cubans like the security guard will take nothing over $10 but will be begging for $1 the next day.

You have to walk away from these guys. If you don't they will think they can get $40 every time.I agree 100%. This is one of the biggest truths about Cuba.

[Member #4167]

It's a matter of principles. If I stop a cab in Vedado and he says 5 cuc for Vieja, and I know the price is 3, I never pay 5 even though it doesn't make a difference to me. He will agree to 3 nine out of ten times, but of he rejects I will rather wait in the rain or burning sun for an hour than being a sucker. TG - I agree. Thanks for writing this. It describes perfectly what I have been trying to say.

[Smily59]

Did you sleep with any of girls that you met in the discos (Turquino, etc.) ?

Did you meet all of your 3 semi-pros by walking around the streets?Yes took one chica from Turquino home, one of the semi-pro was from Rampita, the other one was waiting the bus in calle 23 (first only had a drink and got telefon# - went to casa the other night).

Have fun,

Smily

[Canned Heat]

Hey guys,

Am currently in Havana. Been here for a week. I thought this would be heaven, but am really having trouble finding anything else than hardcore pros in the clubs.

Any suggestions on areas, streets etc. where I would have a chance of finding some semi-pro to regular girls who would be willing to talk?

I am young, good-looking, well-trained and even speak a little Spanish, so am pretty pissed of the bad luck I am having. Luckily I am not only here for pussy.

[Badis]

Hey guys,

Am currently in Havana. Been here for a week. I thought this would be heaven, but am really having trouble finding anything else than hardcore pros in the clubs.

Any suggestions on areas, streets etc. where I would have a chance of finding some semi-pro to regular girls who would be willing to talk?

I am young, good-looking, well-trained and even speak a little Spanish, so am pretty pissed of the bad luck I am having. Luckily I am not only here for pussy.For some good local actin in Havanna.

Get in a cab and ask for cafe caliente.

Open from 5pm to 10 pm.

Its in the basement of a huge building, don't remember its name.

Its close to the plaza with the gigantic siluette of che on a house next to it. Very famous plaza.

After 10pm you can get a elevator to the top of the same building.

There you will find a bit older clientel, a bit classy, and lots of working girls.

[BeersTerry]

Its july!!!! Go to the beach................in your rental car.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Where have you been looking? What area are you in?


Hey guys,

Am currently in Havana. Been here for a week. I thought this would be heaven, but am really having trouble finding anything else than hardcore pros in the clubs.

Any suggestions on areas, streets etc. where I would have a chance of finding some semi-pro to regular girls who would be willing to talk?

I am young, good-looking, well-trained and even speak a little Spanish, so am pretty pissed of the bad luck I am having. Luckily I am not only here for pussy.

[El Cubanito]

Where are you looking for regular talent? Have you tried 5 avenue past Miramar close to Santa Fe or before you hit Marina hemingway at night? This area has ton of Bollos (sp. for Pussy). If you do not hook up around this area you must look at your game man. Do you have a car? Just drive by Via Blanca over to Santa Maria, you will get some hit on your hook. Have you gone over to San Miguel del Padron. This spot in Havana has a ton of bollos or regular bollos who are looking for dick. The girls from this area are very pretty and very hot in the sack.

Good Luck.

[Pegasus99]

good one!! agree completely. i could have also decided not to give them anything and asked them to take a hike...i just feel sorry for them which i should not. there is no use being a nice guy (in the mongering world) if you cannot get something in return - that is easy pickings for getting suckered. lesson learnt.


pegasus. thank you for your original post. it has been the catalyst that this forum needed to pick up posting

i have no personal gripe against you, you have not offended me. i get peeved in general about mongers falling for scams.

the money is always given voluntarily by the victim in swindles

[Pegasus99]

But that is exactly the problem. There are always a bunch of (us) guys who do not know any better and feel you have been able to negotiate the best deal till you find out that this was not the case. I hate to pay more than the correct market rate either, but if you go beyond pure principles (which I have no argument with), there is also a certain price you pay for convenience which is then relatively much cheaper in Cuba compared to other countries that one has been in. Then you get the issue that you spoil it for others, but did good for yourself. I don't mean this in a selfish way. But for example, after the night at Salon Rojas, we stepped out and decided to go with the third guy who asked us if we wanted a taxi because he looked like a decent bloke and we were tired. He was a "house taxi" and asked for CUC5; perhaps if we had walked a bit we could have got a regular taxi for CUC3 but at that point we did not care what the right price should be because it was already so "cheap".

Same case with girls; I pay GBP150 in London for some gorgeous East European for one hour, so it is a fantastic deal to pay CUC50 for 2-3 hours with an equally good looking, younger and more eager-to-please girl. Anyway, the more we report on the forum with details of places to get the best deals and market rates etc., the easier it is for all of us to stay within the range and keep it good for the rest. I am pretty sure Cuba will not offer such great mongering opportunities if and when it opens up, so we should all enjoy it for as long as we can.


I gotta totally agree with you, Beersterry. It's a matter of principles. If I stop a cab in Vedado and he says 5 cuc for Vieja, and I know the price is 3, I never pay 5 even though it doesn't make a difference to me. He will agree to 3 nine out of ten times, but of he rejects I will rather wait in the rain or burning sun for an hour than being a sucker. It's a matter of never letting them scam you because you're a tourist and not letting them get used to it.

Every time a gringo is throwing around money somewhere he is raising the bar for everybody. Because the chicas in the bar, the guard in the door, the provider on the bicitaxi, the casa owner, the whatever will start out asking the same price from the next guy.

Which is my egotistic reason for letting people know that you don't pay 70 cuc (or 30 for that matter) in a club without that price including sex.

[Pegasus99]

I do have to stay in a hotel as I am there on business, but hiring a casa by the hour sounds like a great plan. Can you PM me a couple of options in Old Havana so I can check them out on my next trip? The first time, I made the mistake of renting a casa for 4-5 days and paid for all days even though I hardly used it as I could not find the girls I wanted easily. Good thing I forgot to mention this on my earlier post otherwise I would have got you guys on my back even worse...


I think La Isla answered it perfectly. For 35. 45 CUC you can get a very nice fully furnished apartment with an independent entrance. Make this your home base rather than the hotel. You either sneak girls in or get a chica-freindly casa owner. The 35-45 CUC is equivalent to the bribe you would have had pay the guard, and is probably a heck of lot less than a hotel.

If you are in a hotel again you can rent an illegal Casa Particular by the hour. The going rate is $5 for 2 hours for extranjeros (the price charged cubans is $1 / hour) this could be run down and badly furnished. Although I have seen some that are pretty nice. Why would you care? The only furnishing you need is a bed. Even in the run-down places, cubans are very proud and most keep their places spotless (interiors). I have rarely been in a casa I would consider smelly.

Screw the guard. He is being greedy

[La Isla]

Have you gone over to San Miguel del Padron?

El Cubanito,
I know La Habana well but have never head of this place. Where is it?

[AlLostInSpace13]

For some good local actin in Havanna.

Get in a cab and ask for cafe caliente.

Open from 5pm to 10 pm.

Its in the basement of a huge building, don't remember its name.

Its close to the plaza with the gigantic siluette of che on a house next to it. Very famous plaza.

After 10pm you can get a elevator to the top of the same building.

There you will find a bit older clientel, a bit classy, and lots of working girls.

That should have been Cafe Cantente (or Cantante), right by the revolution square. Yes, there are two clubs at that location. I would recommend the basement dance (salsa) club.
A better place to do pickup would be along the stretch of sea (Malecon).

[Badis]

That should have been Cafe Cantente (or Cantante), right by the revolution square. Yes, there are two clubs at that location. I would recommend the basement dance (salsa) club.

A better place to do pickup would be along the stretch of sea (Malecon).But its so much more fun to down half a bottle of Havana club and dance to some reaggeton before taking a cab home with a chica then just walking down the Malecon!

B

[Canned Heat]

Cubanito and Travelling Gring,

I am in vedado. Or Nuevo vedado. Been doing my homework and reading up on these boards, but still not much luck.

I think all the talk about Cuba being a difficult mongering place is very true. This is my first time here but got the feeling that things are changing by the day. A friend of mine was here two yeards ago who speak less spanish than me and is worse looking and he was swimming in pussy.

Now it seems dead. Girls on the street are scared. Dont even look. Only places I can find girls who are willing are at the nightclubs. They are very pro but some are good looking.

Will try to see if I can find some of those areas you mention. I am still waiting for a car since Cuba has no rental cars available at all! Crazy place this is.

[BeersTerry]

No rental cars ? It is high season, but try a propina to see if there are still no cars.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Canned,

PM me and I'll give you a handful of names of semi-pros who will be glad to hook up if you are reasonably young, decent looking and behave like a gentleman. They may even take you to a party or two where you can meet other girls.

If you can't PM, mail me on chrxxx(AT)hotmail.com

It's true about the rental cars. My local guide friend who arranges rentals with all companies has told me that rental cars are booked up all through July and August. This is how it works in a socialist country where supply and demand does not always go hand in hand.

I'll also give you the number to a guy who will take you around in his old yellow Buick looking for chicas for 4-5 CUC/hour.

Is the situation really that bad right now? Anybody else in Havana who can confirm?

[El Cubanito]

If he goes to San Miguel he will be alright. He will have all of the bollos he wants. There is also San Joses de Las Lajas or Guines. Either of these towns on the outskirts of Havana will get him great pussy action.

Canned, PM if you need help. But it looks like Travelling Gring is ready to give you some o fthe one on his list.

I hope everything gets better for you.

El Cubanito

PS the car reantal situation is bad. But PM me and I will give you the name of the guy I used in Cuba for Car Rental. He is pretty high up in the food chain and he will be able to get you something. Also what Beer say offer a bride. I can get problably get you a car at Rex with my contacts there, but you will be renting one of the most expensive cars in Cuba. I always rent from Rex when I go. I just put my reservation in for August and i will have my car wating for me in Holguin. Let me know how we can help you.

El CUbanito

[Americano573]

Senor Canned the best advice I could give you for picking up really hot women is the Cabaret Nacional it is a small dingy disco next to hotel inglaterra baween (border) Centro Habana and Habana Vieja. You will not go wrong in there my friend! The choices are endless! Negritas, Mulatas, y blancas are all available. This disco attracts pros and semi- pros with a smattering of regular girls, Please don't pay more than $ 30 but on a slow night you could get laid for $20. Entrance fee for foreigners is $ 5 don't pay more and insist that you are going to pay $5 as these doormen will take you for a ride. Once you say that you are paying $5 they usually just chill smile and wave you on inside. Cervezas (beer) are $1. 50 $1 everywhere else but still cheap so I had no complaints. The key in this place is to look like a "foreigner" notice that I did not say tourist? The girls will be on to you like white on rice but the golden rule is never be the one to ask them to go home with you play it cool but look intereted if you seem too eager that tells the girls alot and it will drive up the price! Always stay in control. The girls will normally follow you outside afer you have exitecand secured a taxi (hope your spanish is decent) once you have decided to take one of them home (always avoid price talk until you get her home) the best time to strike is usually around 11:30 you use an hour to scope out the talent and you strike round about 12:30 the club closes at 2 am so usually they get desperate round about this time. I must tell you that I have been to Cuba many times and without a doubt I have seen the most beautiful and sexy girl in my opinion in all of Cuba, I have been in all the provinces except guantanamo and santiago. This young lady was blond and had the perfect body and face definately a 10! She wore high heels and leopard skin baby doll dress. See my trip report for the aetails also see my pictures recuerdos de Cuba #5, #6, # 7 of what can be had in Cabaret Nacional happy hunting and send us a update of what happened good luck. Before I forget here is the address calle san rafael and paseo de marti (prado) ask any taxi driver and they will know where to go its very popular. If they take you and you don't see the Hotel Inglaterra or the Capitolio building you are not at the right place.

[El Chico]

El Cubanito,

I know La Habana well but have never head of this place. Where is it?I know where San Miguel is, but it's like a booney suburb close to the southern edge of the city. Where do you go in San Miguel to meet girls? I'm curious to know your tactics.

If you don't have a car forget about it, as its about a 45 min drive from Miramar (with traffic).

[DriedUp]

Anyone think that now with Raul, we can buy property down there?

Just wondering.

I want to buy property somewhere, Panama, Cost Rica, DR, Haiti.

Can't decide.

I am 37.

[Reconnoiter]

Anyone think that now with Raul, we can buy property down there?

Just wondering.

I want to buy property somewhere, Panama, Cost Rica, DR, Haiti.

Can't decide.

I am 37.I think it was legal for extranjeros to own property there before with Fidel. But that is legal according to Cuban law, for an American it would be very illegal to engage in such a transaction. Buy in Costa Rica if you can make sure you don't get scammed, same thing with Haiti though Haiti strikes me as a bigger risk. But in addition to getting scammed, the real risk in Cuba in fines and imprisonment stateside. Trading with the Enemy they call it.

[Trottle Buck]

Well time to leave CR ,Panama and south American mongering, I'll be heading to Cuba in 2 weeks, it's 9 years since i was in this island, and i know things have changed a lot.

In just 2 weeks of Internet chat, i have already met 6 nice ladies who I probably end up screwing, 2 who I know from 3 years ago by chatting all none pros, another 4 from outside Havana, and 2 beauties who are still reluctant to go out.All of them I have the cell numbers and adresses.

Chicas is no problem, my concern how am i gonna handle all of them and second I still not decided for a hotel or a casa.
Any suggestions?

[Trottle Buck]

Renting a car: Attention Canadians!!!!

Foreign Affairs Canada Says:

Canadians should avoid driving in Cuba; driving conditions can be hazardous. Signs are scarce. Bicycles, pedestrians, and horse-drawn carts use the middle of the road and do not readily give way to oncoming vehicles. Many vehicles are old and poorly maintained. Inoperable vehicles are often left on the road until repaired. Few roads are lit and vehicles rarely have lights or reflectors. If you must drive, drive defensively at all times and avoid driving after dark. The Autopista Central (national highway), which runs half the length of the island, is generally in good condition. Other roads are generally poor. The highway between the Guardalavaca hotels and the Holguín airport is particularly dangerous. Allowing hitchhikers into your vehicle is not advised.

Traffic accidents are a frequent cause of arrest and detention of Canadians in Cuba. Accidents resulting in death or injury are treated as crimes, and the onus is on the driver to prove innocence. Regardless of the nature of the accident, it can take five months to a year for a case to go to trial. In most cases, the driver will not be allowed to leave Cuba until the trial has taken place. In some cases, he will be imprisoned during this delay.

Canadians should be cautious when renting a vehicle in Cuba. Although insurance is offered, coverage differs from that in Canada. If the traveller is in any way at fault in an accident, rental agencies will nullify coverage and seek damages to cover the cost of repairs. Contract agreements do not cover occasional drivers and the signatory is responsible for all people driving the vehicle. Rental agencies are government-controlled and can prevent your departure from the country unless payment is obtained. Charges associated with accidents can range in the thousands of U.S. dollars.

Radio taxis are generally reliable. Unlicensed private taxis should be avoided. Yellow, three-wheeled Co-co taxis are unsafe and should be avoided.

City buses are infrequent and overcrowded. Tour companies offer good bus service between airports and the all-inclusive resorts. Buses used for organized day trips from hotels are also in good condition.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Well, this is pretty old news. The same warning is basically on every country's foreign ministry's website. And it is true. I have a friend in Havana who has a friend working with Havanautos, and this secures be no bullshit rentals. I would be reluctant to just walk in and rent a car in Cuba as these employees have made it their number one hobby and priority to scam tourists as much as possible and at every chance they get.

Driving conditions are bad, but fun. You need to spend the first 2-3 days of your first car rental in Cuba just crusing slowly on large streets to get a sense of the traffic and style of driving.

Thanks for the update/warning.


Renting a car: Attention Canadians!!!!

Foreign Affairs Canada Says:

Canadians should avoid driving in Cuba; driving conditions can be hazardous. Signs are scarce. Bicycles, pedestrians, and horse-drawn carts use the middle of the road and do not readily give way to oncoming vehicles. Many vehicles are old and poorly maintained. Inoperable vehicles are often left on the road until repaired. Few roads are lit and vehicles rarely have lights or reflectors. If you must drive, drive defensively at all times and avoid driving after dark. The Autopista Central (national highway), which runs half the length of the island, is generally in good condition. Other roads are generally poor. The highway between the Guardalavaca hotels and the Holguín airport is particularly dangerous. Allowing hitchhikers into your vehicle is not advised.

Traffic accidents are a frequent cause of arrest and detention of Canadians in Cuba. Accidents resulting in death or injury are treated as crimes, and the onus is on the driver to prove innocence. Regardless of the nature of the accident, it can take five months to a year for a case to go to trial. In most cases, the driver will not be allowed to leave Cuba until the trial has taken place. In some cases, he will be imprisoned during this delay.

Canadians should be cautious when renting a vehicle in Cuba. Although insurance is offered, coverage differs from that in Canada. If the traveller is in any way at fault in an accident, rental agencies will nullify coverage and seek damages to cover the cost of repairs. Contract agreements do not cover occasional drivers and the signatory is responsible for all people driving the vehicle. Rental agencies are government-controlled and can prevent your departure from the country unless payment is obtained. Charges associated with accidents can range in the thousands of U.S. dollars.

Radio taxis are generally reliable. Unlicensed private taxis should be avoided. Yellow, three-wheeled Co-co taxis are unsafe and should be avoided.

City buses are infrequent and overcrowded. Tour companies offer good bus service between airports and the all-inclusive resorts. Buses used for organized day trips from hotels are also in good condition.

[El Rey De Pollo]

I don't see that happening in the near future. I have heard talk of many changes, but this is not one of them. You actually can buy/let property in Cuba - in Marina Hemingway - but these are all booked up/sold out for the moment.

Problem is that housing is scarce as it is. They have enough problems finding houses for Cubans. You would think that when every family has a house, there would be no housing problems, but what happens is that any week of the year a number of buildings collaps in Havana, so where do they put these families?

The other issue, off course, is that the government is not interested in you being in Cuba outside of the resorts. Let alone you being there all year round mingling with the Cubans.

I don't see it happening, but am definately keeping myself updated on the issue because I have the same idea of doing so sometime in the future.


Anyone think that now with Raul, we can buy property down there?

Just wondering.

I want to buy property somewhere, Panama, Cost Rica, DR, Haiti.

Can't decide.

I am 37.

[BeersTerry]

1. The foreign ownership is not ownership but a long term lease. I thought the project was in limbo, due to lack of sales ?

2. Your insurance does not cover everything. It does not matter how you got into an accident, if you are a gringo, it is your fault. Havana can be brutal for driving. El campo is a breeze, except for the lack of signs.

[El Cubanito]

I know where San Miguel is, but it's like a booney suburb close to the southern edge of the city. Where do you go in San Miguel to meet girls? I'm curious to know your tactics.

If you don't have a car forget about it, as its about a 45 min drive from Miramar (with traffic).

I meet these girls rith where the Calzada de San Miguel meets with the Via Blanca. There is a Bus Stop there where you can pick up honeys. Right by the bus stop there is a trade school of some sort and there are tons of bollo looking for rides. Also, if you up the Calzada de San Miguel from Via Blanca, there is a park there. There are tons of them hanging out talking with friends and what not. Ihope this helps.

El Cubanito

[El Cubanito]

Does anybody knows if this guy has gotten any in Cuba or has he struck out.

I feel for the guy. Go all the way there and not get anything? Canned are you alright man?

[El Rey De Pollo]

The dude mailed me and I gave him a bunch of numbers of chicas and some recommendations on casas along with a number to my carrental friend to hook him up with some wheels. I haven't heard back from him, so don't know if he's still stuck getting nothing.

I can see his problem though. I think I've written before that I have had friends visit me in havana - good looking, charming young guys - and seen them wandering around getting nada. Long days in the burning sun with hard ons. It's a tough place to work on a first visit - unless you want the pros from the clubs, then it's like stealing rum from a yuma.

Feel for the guy too. If you're out there Canned, let us know if you're getting anything.


Does anybody knows if this guy has gotten any in Cuba or has he struck out.

I feel for the guy. Go all the way there and not get anything? Canned are you alright man?

[Trottle Buck]

Guys I found these disco-bars around Havana, any suggestions where you can find semi-pros and none-pros? thanks.


Habana Club
Hôtel Comodoro
Entre Calle 86 & 3RA (Miramar)
Entrance 5 - 10$
Consumption : 3 to 4$

Bar Azul Club
Hotel Capri
Open 10:00 - 24:00

Cocktail Blue
Hotel Mélia Cohiba
17:00 a 03:00

LAS VEGAS
Centro Habana 2 blocks from hotel Deauville
Consumption 3$ to 1$

Cobijo Real VIP BAR
Hotel Mélia Cohiba
07:00 to 24:00

Los Marinos
Ave. del Puerto y Obispo Habana Vieja.
15:00 to 02:00

Coctel Lounge
Hotel Sevilla
15:00 to 03:00

Gran Añejo
Hotel Mélia Cohiba
24 hours

Café Cantante Mi Habana
Teatro Nacional de Cuba
22:00 to 05:00
Entre Paseo & Calle 39
Entrance: 10$


Las Bulerías
Calle L e/ 23y 25. Vedado
12:00 to 06:00 hours

Guanabo Club
Calle 468 e/ 13 y15. Guanabo.
20:30 to 06:00

Marea Baja
Hotel Mégano
18:00 to 06:00

Guanimar
5ta Ave. e/ 466 y 468. Playa Guanabo
Thursday to sunday 20:30 to 02:00

La Maison
Calle 16 entre 5 & 7a. Miramar.
22:00 to 01:00
Great place !
Entrance: 10$

Discobar
Hotel Panamericano Resort
22:00 to 05:00

Discobar Caribe
Hotel Bellocaribe
21:00 to 03:00

Discopop El Cortijo
Hotel Vedado
24 hours

La Terraza
Hotel Inglaterra
21:00 to 02:00

Ribera Azul
Hotel Deauville
19:00 to 04:00

HABANA CAFE
Hôtel Melia Cohiba
Entre Paseo & Malecon
Vedadots
consumption 3$
Café musical .



El Tropicana

Calle 72 y Línea del Ferrocarril. Marianao.
tuesday to Sunday 20:30 to 02:00

El Palacio de la Salsa
Hotel Habana Riviera
22:00 to 04:00


Gran Añejo
Hotel Mélia Cohiba
24 hours

Papa's
(Marina Hemingway)
Avenida Quinta

Entrance 10$

Las Bulerías
Calle L e/ 23y 25. Vedado
12:00 to 06:00 hours

El TURQUINO
Hotel Habana Libre
08:00 to 24:00 hours
entre Calle L & 23
La Rampa
Entrance 10$ shows 5$

Horizonte
Hotel Nacional de Cuba
24 hours

Parisién
Hotel Nacional de Cuba
22:30 to 04:00 hours
Calle 21 Malecon
Vedado
very expensive 30$

La Cecilia
5ta Ave. E/ 110 y 112. Miramar.
Wednesday to sunday 22:30 to 03:00 hours

CLUB 21
Entre calle 21 y norte
Vedado
Front of hotel Capri


IPANEMA
Hotel Copacabana
22:00 to 05:00 hours


DISCO SALSA
Hotel Bruzón
Vedado
Calle Bruzon N°217
Tel: 70-3531 33
21:00 to 01:00 hours

EL TROPICAL
(Salon Rosado)
Avenida 31

[El Rey De Pollo]

[QUOTE=Trottle Buck]Guys I found these disco-bars around Havana, any suggestions where you can find semi-pros and none-pros? thanks.

As I'm often in Havana on my own, I really don't go out there as much as I used to. I prefer to be in my casa getting a blow job come midnight :-)

But I do still get out a bit, so here's my take on the places I have been to recently. I have been to many of the other places as well, but since things change in Havana by the day, my experience will be too old to trust.

Café Cantante Mi Habana
Teatro Nacional de Cuba
22:00 to 05:00
Entre Paseo & Calle 39
Entrance: 10$

- A classic. Usually full of semi-pros. Quality is above average. You can't go wrong here.

La Maison
Calle 16 entre 5 & 7a. Miramar.
22:00 to 01:00
Great place !
Entrance: 10$

- Was there in May. Absolutely nothing to pick up. This used to be the place where models hung out, and while there were a few model-types there, they were all just sitting with their boyfriends watching the crappy band that was playing. Also, drinks are super overpriced. We're talking Floridita prices.

La Terraza
Hotel Inglaterra
21:00 to 02:00

- Not a pick up place in my experience. Unless you're looking to pick up tourists.

Ribera Azul
Hotel Deauville
19:00 to 04:00

- Ribera Azul? I don't know this name. The disco at Deauville is called 70's café and this is not a bad place to have a look for young semi-pros. It's a pretty cramped place though, and I wouldn't wanna be there for hours.

El TURQUINO
Hotel Habana Libre
08:00 to 24:00 hours
entre Calle L & 23
La Rampa
Entrance 10$ shows 5$

- This is where the topmodels hang out. Unfortunately usually with old, ugly, newly rich Russians. I have been there once (because I met a model at a restaurant who asked me to meet her there), and I really hated the atmosphere in there. It's almost like a typical western champagne-club. A stripbar without stripping. But girls are beautiful - especially if you like tall girls who will go home with you for 150 cuc. Entrance when I visited last time in April was 15, not 10.

Add Tikoa on Rampa to your list. A crappy place, but full of girls. Go in, find a girl, get out. Heavy police presence outside though.

Please give us an update on the clubs you visit.

[BeersTerry]

Turquino $10 ? Wow, that was a long time ago. As you said, really good looking but expensive chicas with old guys.

Las Brulerias is a restaurant
Cabaret Las Vegas is also more of a restaurant.

Fact is, normal girls won't be able to afford the cover charge on alot of these places. There are a few basement rat holes along LaRampa where chicas hang out. There are parties at the end of LaRampa by the malecon.

[Member #4167]

Anyone think that now with Raul, we can buy property down there?

Just wondering.

I want to buy property somewhere, Panama, Cost Rica, DR, Haiti.

Can't decide.

I am 37.I researched this extensively. Foreigners CANNOT legally take title to property in Cuba. The only way to do it is to buy property in the name of cuban (a cuban wife or a cuban relative). Believe it or not, I have met foreigners who have actually done this. They have bought property in the name of a cuban relative.

I wouldn't trust anyone. Once title is in their name the cuban could take it as theirs (Actually, it IS theirs).

As well, even the cubans you have buying the property face risks that they could lose your investment. The arcane Cuba trading / re-titling of property through the permuta process requires you to exchange money under the table to get the property you want. This is illegal. IF this is found out, the government could seize the property.

Don't even think about buying property in Cuba right now.

I Agree with TG. Cubans don't want foreigners there long term. I think the new tourism slogan is:

"Welcome to Cuba, Go Home and leave your money with us."

[Member #4167]

[QUOTE=Trottle Buck]Guys I found these disco-bars around Havana, any suggestions where you can find semi-pros and none-pros? thanks.

Café Cantante Mi Habana
Teatro Nacional de Cuba
22:00 to 05:00
Entre Paseo & Calle 39
Entrance: 10$

- Usually full of semi-pros. Usually full of semi-pros?

Given the entrada of $10, I would assume that it is full of PROS!

I agree with BeersTerry. Non-pros/semi-pros usually cannot afford these cover charges and are to be found elsewhere.

Maybe these places charge little or nothing to the cuban girls and charge high prices to the foreigners? Does anyone know if this is true?

When you went there, what did the girls charge?

[Member #4167]

Well time to leave CR, Panama and south American mongering, I'll be heading to Cuba in 2 weeks, it's 9 years since I was in this island, and I know things have changed a lot.

In just 2 weeks of Internet chat, I have already met 6 nice ladies who I probably end up screwing, 2 who I know from 3 years ago by chatting all none pros, another 4 from outside Havana, and 2 beauties who are still reluctant to go out. All of them I have the cell numbers and adresses.

Chicas is no problem, my concern how am I gonna handle all of them and second I still not decided for a hotel or a casa.

Any suggestions?You will find the situation has changed in Cuba. It is far less productive now.

Casa is better because if you rent a full apartment, you can sneak the girls in. Alternately, casa owners seem more flexible about letting girls in without registering the carnet.

Be sure to get a Casa that is located near where the girls live.

I have found that the girls on the internet are mostly normal girls. Normal girls dont seem to have a problem registereing their carnet.

You met 6 nice ladies on the internet. I did the nearly the same exact thing you did. I met tons of internet girls before coming. The first problem was trying to get phone numbers from these girls. Not all cubanas have phone numbers. And many of them do not check their emails very regular becuase it is so damn expensive. I assume you met girls who had internet thru school or work?

The second problem is actually reaching these girls on the phone. Once you get to cuba you will find that of your six girls, maybe you actually reach 4 of the girls on the phone. Of the four, maybe two will agree to meet you. The other two will beg off, being "too busy with school or work" (probably they are too busy with other foreigners.) Of the two remaining, if you have no car and agree to pay for her taxi to come to you, one will blow you off on the date (no show).

Suppose you get lucky and all two show up. Wehter or not they sleep with you remains to be seen. I met up with two girls from the internet. One was a hardcore pro that charged 150CUC. The other didnt want to sleep with me right away and gave a vibe that she wouldnt be putting out any time soon. She was in my casa and didnt want to make out. So I dropped her.

I found that, in cuba, meeting girls in advance on the internet was a huge waste of time. Most Cubanas do not use the internet or check their emails very regularly becuase it is so damn expensive in Cuba.

Perhaps the others on this forum can share their experiences.

You have already put in the work, so try it. Please let us know how it works out for you. I hope you have better luck than I did.

[Member #4167]

Senor Canned the best advice I could give you for picking up really hot women is the Cabaret Nacional it is a small dingy disco next to hotel inglaterra baween (border) Centro Habana and Habana Vieja. You will not go wrong in there my friend! The choices are endless! Negritas, Mulatas, y blancas are all available. This disco attracts pros and semi- pros with a smattering of regular girls, Please don't pay more than $ 30 but on a slow night you could get laid for $20. Entrance fee for foreigners is $ 5 don't pay more and insist that you are going to pay $5 as these doormen will take you for a ride. Once you say that you are paying $5 they usually just chill smile and wave you on inside. Cervezas (beer) are $1. 50 $1 everywhere else but still cheap so I had no complaints. The key in this place is to look like a "foreigner" notice that I did not say tourist? .Hey americano,

Great report! Thanks for all the great tips. This is the type of report we need more of in this forum. This is a place right up my alley. I can assume that the entrada is less than $5 for cubanas? If so, then you get girls who charge 20-30 (and not the 150CUC at Turquino). This sounds like a great place.

I read our trip report in photo gallery. I have one QUESTION: When did you go there? What year?

[El Rey De Pollo]

Put in the wrong word there. Same clientele as casa de la musica. Sucker first time tourists and pro chicas. Not semi-pros.


[QUOTE=Travelling Gring]Usually full of semi-pros?

Given the entrada of $10, I would assume that it is full of PROS!

I agree with BeersTerry. Non-pros/semi-pros usually cannot afford these cover charges and are to be found elsewhere.

Maybe these places charge little or nothing to the cuban girls and charge high prices to the foreigners? Does anyone know if this is true?

When you went there, what did the girls charge?

[El Rey De Pollo]

My Internet experience is the same. I have never tried this out before. but because of a few posts in here, I decided to check it out. So must have spend 30 or 40 hours in total in the months prior to my most recent trips mailing back and forth with these girls. Waste of time. Heres my experience.

When writing to these girls on sites like cybercupido, amigos etc. I got replies from no more than 1 out of 10. Then again, I am picky. I probably wrote to all the ones that you perverts were also writing to. Also, a huge number of the profiles have been made a year or two ago and these girls haven't been online since.

I had numbers for 5 or 6 girls upon arrival. I called them all and reached 4. One of the girls had some superhot photos, hot little 18 year old white girl, I called her everyday for 8 to 10 days and she had an excuse every time. I let her go. One more was full of excuses and was probably too busy doing old Italians. A third was nice, called her about 4-5 times, but her mom was very religious and would'nt let her meet a foreigner.

The fourth was an amazingly beautiful girl who I met down on Malecón and took to dinner a few days later (I very rarely take cubanas to dinner). Got nothing. A third date went by and I still got nothing, so when she called me after that I told her that I wasn't interested in making beautiful female friends in Cuba. IT was cool with me if she didn't want to do more, but than I wasn't interested in meeting up again. She said okay, we'll change that, and that night she gave me the craziest, kinkiest sex I've ever had in Cuba. To be more direct than I usually like to be, this is the first time in Cuba I've seen a superhot chick dive down from my cock to my asshole with her tongue... Anyway, that's another story...

So in conclusion: My many hours online, writing these girls, my many calls from within Cuba, the only thing I got was one night of sex and that was with a girl I had to date 4 times to get naked.

I am done finding cubanas online.


You will find the situation has changed in Cuba. It is far less productive now.

Casa is better because if you rent a full apartment, you can sneak the girls in. Alternately, casa owners seem more flexible about letting girls in without registering the carnet.

Be sure to get a Casa that is located near where the girls live.

I have found that the girls on the internet are mostly normal girls. Normal girls dont seem to have a problem registereing their carnet.

You met 6 nice ladies on the internet. I did the nearly the same exact thing you did. I met tons of internet girls before coming. The first problem was trying to get phone numbers from these girls. Not all cubanas have phone numbers. And many of them do not check their emails very regular becuase it is so damn expensive. I assume you met girls who had internet thru school or work?

The second problem is actually reaching these girls on the phone. Once you get to cuba you will find that of your six girls, maybe you actually reach 4 of the girls on the phone. Of the four, maybe two will agree to meet you. The other two will beg off, being "too busy with school or work" (probably they are too busy with other foreigners.) Of the two remaining, if you have no car and agree to pay for her taxi to come to you, one will blow you off on the date (no show).

Suppose you get lucky and all two show up. Wehter or not they sleep with you remains to be seen. I met up with two girls from the internet. One was a hardcore pro that charged 150CUC. The other didnt want to sleep with me right away and gave a vibe that she wouldnt be putting out any time soon. She was in my casa and didnt want to make out. So I dropped her.

I found that, in cuba, meeting girls in advance on the internet was a huge waste of time. Most Cubanas do not use the internet or check their emails very regularly becuase it is so damn expensive in Cuba.

Perhaps the others on this forum can share their experiences.

You have already put in the work, so try it. Please let us know how it works out for you. I hope you have better luck than I did.

[El Grande]

A Cubana that can afford going online does already have a foreign sponsor anyways.

[Americano573]

Hola senores Water Boy and Mo Isg. In response to your questions starting with Water Boy I was in Cuba in May I go there at least 3 times a year so my in formation is relatively current, However seasoned campaigners know that the scene in Cuba changes like the weather. In response to Mo Isg's question the cubanita in the photo with the tattoo (tramp stamp) she is not a pro if anything I would have to say semi pro I actually found this girl in a suburb (there is little or no tourist traffic there) called 10 de octubre she was actually walking with her mom and sister and all three were walking home they were approximately a half mile from their house and I was driving around in a rent a car looking for a non pro that I had met earlier in the day at the Capitolio building. I had set up a date with her but I could not find her house and I decided to ask the 3 aforementioned ladies for directions. The ladies told me that they would help me with the directions if I gave them alift home seeing that they did not live too far from my intended destination I agreed, and off we went. The one with the tattoo was riding shot gun with with her sister and mom propping up the rear. Shortly after arriving at their house and exchanging goodbyes mom and the sister exited the vehicle with the front seat passenger volunteering to ride with me to my destination trust me the last thing on my mind was finding the non pro because at this point you could use a knife to cut through the sexual tension that was emanting between both of us so without a word even being spoken I put the car in reverse made a you turn and off to my casa I went, the rest as they say is history. There was no talk of money as she dance topless and quiete seductively and was very happy to be there any thing I guess to escape the monotony of life in her country. She danced posed for photographs willingly and did everything asked of her sexually she did not spend the night because I did not want her to! (had someonelse lined up for the overnighter) I told her I was taking her home and she smiled but was not too happy that she had to go. Upon entering tha car she asked me for a "regalito" and I obliged with $ 20. Trust me I don't know any $20 superhot pro so even though she looks like a pro never judge a book by its cover. Having said all that another mongers experience with her may very well be different.

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[John Jr]

Hola senores Water Boy and Mo Isg. In response to your questions starting with Water Boy I was in Cuba in May I go there at least 3 times a year so my in formation is relatively current, However seasoned campaigners know that the scene in Cuba changes like the weather. In response to Mo Isg's question the cubanita in the photo with the tattoo (tramp stamp) she is not a pro if anything I would have to say semi pro I actually found this girl in a suburb (there is little or no tourist traffic there) called 10 de octubre she was actually walking with her mom and sister and all three were walking home they were approximately a half mile from their house and I was driving around in a rent a car looking for a non pro that I had met earlier in the day at the Capitolio building. I had set up a date with her but I could not find her house and I decided to ask the 3 aforementioned ladies for directions. The ladies told me that they would help me with the directions if I gave them alift home seeing that they did not live too far from my intended destination I agreed, and off we went. The one with the tattoo was riding shot gun with with her sister and mom propping up the rear. Shortly after arriving at their house and exchanging goodbyes mom and the sister exited the vehicle with the front seat passenger volunteering to ride with me to my destination trust me the last thing on my mind was finding the non pro because at this point you could use a knife to cut through the sexual tension that was emanting between both of us so without a word even being spoken I put the car in reverse made a you turn and off to my casa I went, the rest as they say is history. There was no talk of money as she dance topless and quiete seductively and was very happy to be there any thing I guess to escape the monotony of life in her country. She danced posed for photographs willingly and did everything asked of her sexually she did not spend the night because I did not want her to! (had someonelse lined up for the overnighter) I told her I was taking her home and she smiled but was not too happy that she had to go. Upon entering tha car she asked me for a "regalito" and I obliged with $ 20. Trust me I don't know any $20 superhot pro so even though she looks like a pro never judge a book by its cover. Having said all that another mongers experience with her may very well be different.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.


Hello 573 ,

I will be going to Havana at the end of 2008 and after reading your posts and looking at the pictures (the 1st ons of the girl woth the tatoos and the sisters) i wanted to say wow !!! I would like to know the story with these girls ! ! !

I know in Cuba the girls are hot but since i have never been there to play (always went with familly) i didnt explore the terretory .

In Havana where do you suggest would be a good area to stay ? And in this area do you know any casas ?

The girls you meet seemed to be non pros , did you find them all in a club or in other areas ?

[Americano573]

Hola senor John Jr. in response to your questions about the two sisters in the photo gallery as well as mongering tips for cuba here goes some of my suggestions. Firstly lets address the tips and the tactics that i normally use when i am there.Cuba has changed alot and is no longer a dme a dozen hot cica pradise that it was in the past therefore you have to evolve with these changes first up you are going to need a rental car,basic spanish and good attitude. believe me the rental car is magic especially ifr you rent an audi the most expensive car in Cuba. My suggestion is cruise and pick up hitchikers single girls or even groups of girls you will score doing this!! and if you dont score (verly rarely happens) the networking leads to other possibilites because these hitchikers may have neighbours and friends who want to "meet" you after seeing you drop off their friend not to mention the numerous invitations to parties or bars. The best area to stay is Vedado near la rampa and the very famous Hotel Habana libre and coppelia the very famous ice crem restaurant. there is alot of action around this area especially on weekends i have lost track of the amount of times i have scored in this area. Ironically enough this is the area where i picked up the two sisters

[Americano573]

my other suggestion is to check out cabaret nacional it is a small disco next to hotel inglaterra you have a 90% chance of scoring in there everyone there is fair game there are normal girls, semi pros and non pros the key in this place is not lo look desperate but look interested basic spanish here is also magic! if you do take my advice and rent the car cruise the neighbourhoods and i am sure that you will have a very high success rate doing this. in relation to the sisters i had arrived in havana that evening and i wanted to try something different therefore after picking up my car at the airport i headed to my regular casa where the casa owner was there waiting for me he handed me my keys and left me to my own devices he does not register my girls as this guy knows me for years and he knows i won't bring any problems to his house such as hard core pros or **** girls! i dropped my bags off and headed to my favorite paladar had a quick meal and was now up and running for the" show". i had already decided that i wanted a 3some as in all my years of travel to this country i had not indulged my self in this artform so off i went towards the malecon where i quickly realized that the heavy police presence there was threatening to ruin my plans! there were girls and guys being stopped every 200 yards and were being interrogated and asked for id i quickly decided to change route and went up a side street the one next to bar "vista alegre" and headed back to vedado upon hitting vedado i made my way past the hotel habana libre and made the left turn onto 23rd just as i got next to coppelia there they were! they were heading in the opposite direction and i knew i had to act fast so i made a quick illegal you turn (not advisable in cuba) and was on the opposite side of the street but by some streak of good fortune they crossed the street and were now on my side of the street. i cruised behind them and i flashed my headlights which got there attention (11:00 pm) they turned around saw the car and knew immediately that i was a foreigner (licence plate and model car) they turned and walked away but i was not going to give up that easily so i cruised past them and stopped waiting for them to catch up to the vehicle as soon as they did i stuck me head out and said "hola" with a smile they responded by coming over to the vehicle and greeted me with "buenas noches" to which i responded and then asked them were they were going they said the disco and i asked me to join them which i politely declined and countered with an invitation of my own (casa) they looked at each other smiled and asked if they could get in the car i said sure they got in and i drove off to a side street where i parked out of the sight of the cops. they asked me to park under the streetlights as i guess they wanted to see who i really was and what i was up to within 10 minutes of conversation they got very comfortable and relaxed asking me what were my intentions. i responded that i would not mind the company of a beautiful woman tonight to which they again smiled and the one in the dress asked me which one of them i had in my mind i said "both of you"! and they both burst out laughing. they told me that they were sisters and so this might not be possible but i persisted and they both decided to come back with me with the one in the jeans deciding to do the deed the other sister still wasn't sure if she would come through. when we got back to the casa i put some reggaeton music on brought out the beer and that helped to loosen them up and the rest as i like to say is history. i don't like to give details but i will say that it was strictly cbj, no girl on girl action but everything else was allowed total damage $25 each! that has been and remains one of the highlights of my many adventures to this very seductive island.

[Kalifornication]

Just returned from Cuba. What a country!

Arrived in Cuba Thursday July 17, stayed at a nice hotel. There was a nice looking chica at the outside bar at 1am who was there for business. We just chatted her up but did not partake.

My goal was to head onward to Santa Clara the following day to meet up with my "normal" UCI girl. Arrived in Santa Clara and stayed at a casa chosen by my girl. Unfortunately, she was unable to stay with me. My fault I guess, but I did not insist either. The first evening we had dinner at her humble home and I even met the parents. Ok, fine with me. This went on for three days in Santa Clara and we did a few touristy things. Saw the Che monument.

Then back to Havana and a casa that I was familiar with. Very very nice casa. This is where the action began. First night I was like laying in bed with her, gave her a massage, then she sort of fell asleep. Damn!!!! tried for a little but she said she was sleeping. Ok, fine with me. I roll over and crash. Later that evening I feel her nudgeing at me, and on instict I roll over and the action begins. WOW! Very very nice action. This went on for the rest of the trip. Some of you I am certian would not qwant to be bound to one chica for the whole trip, but I prefer this and had a great time. Kissed her goodbye and am back home. I love Cuba. But I try to keep one foot in reality.

signing off for now.

[El Cubanito]

Just returned from Cuba. What a country!

Arrived in Cuba Thursday July 17, stayed at a nice hotel. There was a nice looking chica at the outside bar at 1am who was there for business. We just chatted her up but did not partake.

My goal was to head onward to Santa Clara the following day to meet up with my "normal" UCI girl. Arrived in Santa Clara and stayed at a casa chosen by my girl. Unfortunately, she was unable to stay with me. My fault I guess, but I did not insist either. The first evening we had dinner at her humble home and I even met the parents. Ok, fine with me. This went on for three days in Santa Clara and we did a few touristy things. Saw the Che monument.

Then back to Havana and a casa that I was familiar with. Very very nice casa. This is where the action began. First night I was like laying in bed with her, gave her a massage, then she sort of fell asleep. Damn!!!! tried for a little but she said she was sleeping. Ok, fine with me. I roll over and crash. Later that evening I feel her nudgeing at me, and on instict I roll over and the action begins. WOW! Very very nice action. This went on for the rest of the trip. Some of you I am certian would not qwant to be bound to one chica for the whole trip, but I prefer this and had a great time. Kissed her goodbye and am back home. I love Cuba. But I try to keep one foot in reality.

signing off for now.


The name of the game is to enjoy yourself. It sounds like you had a great time. Daren, to each his own. There are tmes I go to Cuba and have many different girls. There are time I hook up with only one because her bollo rock my world. So if you like this girl and she treated you well, then you had a great trip. How long were you there?

El Cubanito

[CopaBrasil1]

Does anyone have a list of matinee discos in Havana where I could stop in to choose a chica for a late afternoon session?

Gracias,

CB

[BeersTerry]

The one time I mixed both, I got caught.

I had a steady but my friend kept begging/bothering me to go out to a club. When I got back at 4:00 am, there she was and there I was with a chica in tow. I was a little embarrassed at being screamed at by a Cubana at the top of her lungs at 4:00 am

[El Rey De Pollo]

Darenesq, thanks for the mini-report. Sounds like a nice little trip. I applaud your ability to stick with one girl. If she is only sticking to you as well and she is special to you, I don't see why you should not give her your full attention. But next time, take charge of the casa-booking :-)

Yes, man, these cubanas will go crazy. I've had my share of close calls. Contrairy to Darenesq I just don't have the ability to stick to just one girl, even at times when a girl of my dreams considers me her novio and sticks to me. And so, if you're staying at the same casa for, say, 2 months, it is pretty difficult to avoid meeting girls who live nearby and after a month or so, you may have a handfull or two of girls in the neighborhood who all considers you their boyfriend. Thats when trouble begins, or fun if you like that kind of game.

But cubanas are warm-blooded. They can give you the verbal beating of your life. I haven't been on the receiving end, but I've seen it happen to other guys. Perhaps to Beersterry even... who knows

[BeersTerry]

Well, when you are there, you are their meal ticket.

I have also heard that if they don't go crazy, you won't think they love you...its a Latin thing.

[Kalifornication]

The name of the game is to enjoy yourself. It sounds like you had a great time. Daren, to each his own. There are tmes I go to Cuba and have many different girls. There are time I hook up with only one because her bollo rock my world. So if you like this girl and she treated you well, then you had a great trip. How long were you there?

El Cubanito

I was in Cuba for a mere 9 days. I hate this shit. I've committed to making allot more money as I am convinced that $ = freedom. Fortunately, these hard economic times translate into more business for me. I cannot wait to return. I must admit, she fucked me up a bit.

[Mario Rossi 51]

Any notice about a beautiful chica named Yohanna, 20 y.o., always at Saloon Rojo.

Thanks for any notice

[BeersTerry]

I'll go looking for her. I'll even test drive her. You're welcome!

[El Cubanito]

Any notice about a beautiful chica named Yohanna, 20 y.o., always at Saloon Rojo.

Thanks for any notice

I am going to be in Cuba in August. I will try and find this girl for you. Just one question, was she 20 years old when you met her? if that was the case then how old is he now.

Buddy, I will look for her an dlet you know. When I am down in Cuba.

I know the guy that works the girls around Salon Rojo. I will ask him and he will tell me if she work that area.

El Cubanito

[Masacuata]

Advice from the experts.

Hi fellow mongers,

I would like some advice from experienced mongers in this region regarding my possible next mongering destination.

I am considering either Thailand / Colombia - Venezuela / Central America (Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc.) but I am still not sure which destination
would be a better option taking on count price-quality of girls and mongering infrastructure.

My previous mongering destinations were mainly Europe/Argentina/Brazil/Mexico

Latin girls are more attractive to me than dark skinned asians which I guess it is a relatively high proportion in Thailand, but I may be
wrong, but maybe mongering options are not so well developed in Colombia/Costa Rica as in Thailand.

According to what you have seen, what would it make more sense to visit? I am planning 2-4 weeks of non stop sex and some sightseeing.

Thanx,
Masacuata

[El Rey De Pollo]

Masacuata,

Here's my take. I have recently been accused by some guy who has never been to Cuba that I am discouraging people from visiting the island. However, I have been to Cuba more times than I can count, and only wish to talk straight dope.

I have been to many of the places you mention. Of them all, I would prefer to go to Cuba any day of the week. BUT, and it's a big BUT - If I were to choose between these destinations for s strict mongering vacation (and 2-4 weeks of non-stop sex must qualify as this) Cuba would be my last choice.

Many of the other destinations are great for mongering with sightseeing and culture on the side. Cuba is great for sightseeing and culture with mongering on the side.

As a first timer to Cuba, you will realize that mongering is tough. It is illegal and there are cops on every corner spending their whole day doing nothing else than trying to prevent prostitution. They shake down and interogate ANY Cuban girl they see talking to a foreigner. So it's a game over there. You need to know the rules. And they are not learned in a matter of days, but weeks, months and years.

Cuba has some of the most beautiful girls in the world, no doubt IMO. But you can't just pick them off the shelves like in Brazil or Thailand or any other developed mongering destinations.

Which is why I personally do not consider myself a monger when in Cuba. I go strictly for regular girls. The pros are sad. If you speak decent Spanish and feel like spending at least the first week or two learning the basics of working Cuba, you could have a great time there.

If you want to land in a country where you can head out of the airport to find a piece of hot pussy in an hour or three, Cuba is a bad choice.

Hope it helps.


Advice from the experts.

Hi fellow mongers,

I would like some advice from experienced mongers in this region regarding my possible next mongering destination.

I am considering either Thailand / Colombia - Venezuela / Central America (Cuba, Dominican Republic, etc.) but I am still not sure which destination
would be a better option taking on count price-quality of girls and mongering infrastructure.

My previous mongering destinations were mainly Europe/Argentina/Brazil/Mexico

Latin girls are more attractive to me than dark skinned asians which I guess it is a relatively high proportion in Thailand, but I may be
wrong, but maybe mongering options are not so well developed in Colombia/Costa Rica as in Thailand.

According to what you have seen, what would it make more sense to visit? I am planning 2-4 weeks of non stop sex and some sightseeing.

Thanx,
Masacuata

[Kalifornication]

Masacuata,

Here's my take. I have recently been accused by some guy who has never been to Cuba that I am discouraging people from visiting the island. However, I have been to Cuba more times than I can count, and only wish to talk straight dope.

I have been to many of the places you mention. Of them all, I would prefer to go to Cuba any day of the week. BUT, and it's a big BUT - If I were to choose between these destinations for s strict mongering vacation (and 2-4 weeks of non-stop sex must qualify as this) Cuba would be my last choice.

Many of the other destinations are great for mongering with sightseeing and culture on the side. Cuba is great for sightseeing and culture with mongering on the side.

As a first timer to Cuba, you will realize that mongering is tough. It is illegal and there are cops on every corner spending their whole day doing nothing else than trying to prevent prostitution. They shake down and interogate ANY Cuban girl they see talking to a foreigner. So it's a game over there. You need to know the rules. And they are not learned in a matter of days, but weeks, months and years.

Cuba has some of the most beautiful girls in the world, no doubt IMO. But you can't just pick them off the shelves like in Brazil or Thailand or any other developed mongering destinations.

Which is why I personally do not consider myself a monger when in Cuba. I go strictly for regular girls. The pros are sad. If you speak decent Spanish and feel like spending at least the first week or two learning the basics of working Cuba, you could have a great time there.

If you want to land in a country where you can head out of the airport to find a piece of hot pussy in an hour or three, Cuba is a bad choice.

Hope it helps.

Well said Gringo,

However, although I do not think it difficult to score a pro in Cuba, I do not see the point. I too do not consider myself a monger, at least not any more, and especially while in cuba, ... as Cuba has too much to offer in terms of regular girls. In sum, the regular girls have much more to offer in terms of quality (time and affection) than any pro could ever offer in Cuba. Do you research, if you can, communicate with a few over the internet and make a date. Meet her and treat her well and you should be richly rewarded. At best you will gain a friend and lover for life. Or at least for a few months to a few years.

I love this place!

[Jan10]

Well said Gringo,

However, although I do not think it difficult to score a pro in Cuba, I do not see the point. I too do not consider myself a monger, at least not any more, and especially while in cuba, ... as Cuba has too much to offer in terms of regular girls. In sum, the regular girls have much more to offer in terms of quality (time and affection) than any pro could ever offer in Cuba. Do you research, if you can, communicate with a few over the internet and make a date. Meet her and treat her well and you should be richly rewarded. At best you will gain a friend and lover for life. Or at least for a few months to a few years.

I love this place!I love dis place.

Jan10

[BeersTerry]

Posted before but, Points to Ponder:

1. Cuba is a third world country with first world prices

2. Prostitution is illegal in Cuba and is actively enforced. This is not to say all relationships are illegal. Cops seem to be able to tell for the most part as he has probably seen the girl with other extranjeros.

3. Because of #2, girls are afraid, especially if there is a crackdown. If there is a crackdown, it will be difficult to find girls.

That is why you have to go to Cuba for something other than finding girls. If you don't, then you will not be disappointed.

[Member #4167]

Posted before but, Points to Ponder:

1. Cuba is a third world country with first world prices

2. Prostitution is illegal in Cuba and is actively enforced. This is not to say all relationships are illegal. Cops seem to be able to tell for the most part as he has probably seen the girl with other extranjeros.

3. Because of #2, girls are afraid, especially if there is a crackdown. If there is a crackdown, it will be difficult to find girls.

That is why you have to go to Cuba for something other than finding girls. If you don't, then you will not be disappointed.I agree with both BeersTerry and TravellinGringo

I would like to add to BT's 2nd point: "This is not to say all relationships are illegal. Cops seem to be able to tell for the most part."

In my own experience I have seen how the crackdown also affects normal girls (non-pros). Because of the ongoing crackdown against prostitution, many normal girls are afraid to be seen with foreigners. Maybe this is fear of their reputations being tarnished by gossip in the local community or maybe it is fear of attracting the eye of the police. Whatever the cause, the fear of being seen with a foreigner is very real. Many girls would like to go out with you but are just too afraid.

Everything is illegal in Cuba. And every Cuban does illegal things every day just to survive. The illegality doesnt matter. In a totalitarian state, the police don't to follow due process of law. A girl can be thrown in jail just for being suspected of being a jinitera.

The only thing that matters is what rules or behavoirs the government wants to enforce. For the past several years the Cuban goverment has been putting a great deal of police enforcement to show the tourism community that cuba is NOT the "wh0reh0use of the carribean." And they have succeeded remarkably well, because Cuba is definetly no longer the wh0reh0use of the carribean.

If you are going to have non-stop sex with a different girl every nite, then dont go to Cuba.

[Member #4167]

2. Prostitution is illegal in Cuba and is actively enforced. I am developing my own theory about the crackdown and why the girls are running scared.

My theory is this: if a girl is seen with a extranjero, she becomes a target. She can be shaken down by the police, extorted for money. Additionally, I have also found in her day-to-day transactions that her costs go up. Just like the price of taxicab ride (in the free market) is "$1 for Cubans, $5 for extranjeros." My novia a native cubana had a previous boyfreind who was a foreigner. Word got out aorund her local cuban town. Since then, she is being charged extranjero prices on everything, because they know she has money.

Therefore, a cubana is afraid to be seen with a foreigner, because she will be charged higher prices and/or extorted by the police.

Question To Cuba Experts on The Forum:

Have other people seen this?

[El Chico]

Therefore, a cubana is afraid to be seen with a foreigner, because she will be charged higher prices and/or extorted by the police.

Question To Cuba Experts on The Forum:

Have other people seen this?There is not a simple or a single answer to why some Cuban girls don't want to be seen with a foreigner. A lot depends on who she is (pro, semi-pro, normal girl) and where you are.

You may already know that one way Cuba cracks down on prostitution is the three strikes policy. If a girl is stopped by a policeman with a foreigner in suspicious situation (don't ask me to define) and the cop has good reason to believe she is a jinetera but has not actually caught her in the act, she gets written up but not charged. If a girl gets caught three times in similar suspicious situations, its an automatic 2 year jail term. Therefore, girls obviously do not want to be in a position where a cop decides to write them up.

If your in an area with tourists (old havana, the beach), the cops are specifically looking for this type of activity so the girl will be on high alert. If your outside of these areas, its not as suspicious and not as much of a concern.

If you're with a regular girl in her neighborhood, it's human nature that she would be concerned her neighbors will see her with a foreigner and draw the conclusion/start rumors that she's a prostitute.

I personally don't believe the thought of being over charged for things in the future is a major factor as foreigners get over charged because they don't know any better. A Cuban girl would know when she's being overcharged and wouldn't agree to it.

[BeersTerry]

I don't know if they are charged more, but sometimes everyone wants in on the new found source of wealth. In all the time that I have been in Cuba, I have only been stopped a couple of times. The girls were never written up.

In Havana, you just can't look like you are from Camaguey. I guess this give the cops opportunity to write you up or get a bribe.

[El Rey De Pollo]

The regular girls I meet have no problems at all being seen with me in their neigbourhoods. Actually the contrary, they usually seem proud to be with someone else that the regular Cuban. Then again, I am not an ugly guy :-) Seriously, what they DO NOT want is to be seen with a guy who could not realistically be their novio. So if you're a hot 19 year old Cubana, you don't want to be seen with a geeky looking 25 year old foreigner or a an older foreigner (say, over 35-40 perhaps, 10 years between is not a big deal in Cuba).

BUT

The semi-pros I have from time to time hung out with, are scared to death walking or talking to me. No exceptions.

I've known about a handful of really cool Cubanas who would actually enjoy when cops came over to us, just so they could show their tropicana-dancer documents and let me answer in Spanish that I know everything from her last name to her fathers name, to her exact address, birthday, height etc etc etc. These are the super cool Cubanas who are unfortunately becomming more and more rare as the number of foreign sex tourists increases and the police presence and attention to jineterisma/o does the same.

I've never heard of any of these girls have been charged tourist prices after having been seen with me. But if someone has tried this on the chicas, I would not be surprised. Nothing surprises me in Cuba anymore.

[Member #4167]

I don't know if they are charged more, but sometimes everyone wants in on the new found source of wealth. In all the time that I have been in Cuba, I have only been stopped a couple of times. The girls were never written up.

In Havana, you just can't look like you are from Camaguey. I guess this give the cops opportunity to write you up or get a bribe.Havana has two reasons for increased police scrutiny:

1.) Police are hassling jinteras to crack down on prostitution

2.) The police are watching for cubanos illegally in havana. Because you can make more money in Havana, the cuban govt had a big problem in the past with everyone moving from the provinces to Havana. Now, you need permission to visit / live in / move to havana. They are hassling / fining the palestinas and every other cubano/a who is in havana illegally.

[John Jr]

Guy's

I have a non-member friend who has a simple question.

He is goig to Havana for a 2 day convention so he will be booking a hotel. To be close to the action (bars , shops , best places to meet girls and bring them to a good casa) what hotel should he book in .

He gave me options like Melia Cohiba , Melia Habana , N.H Parque Central.

Thanks for then info !

John Jr.

[El Rey De Pollo]

John,

Kinda depends on the action. The NH Parque Central is by Parque Central and Prado - probably the easiest place in all of Havana (and Cuba) to find a girl within a few minutes - 24/7. But they are very pro.

The Melia Habana and Cohiba are in Vedado, where - except for La Rampa - there is less hardcore pros around (allthough always some).

For just a few days in Havana, where he will not have time to learn the ropes, and will probably just need the easiest access to pussy, I would definately suggest the Parque Central.

Nightclubs are out in Vedado, but it's a 5-8 minute cheap cab ride out there.


Guy's

I have a non-member friend who has a simple question.

He is goig to Havana for a 2 day convention so he will be booking a hotel. To be close to the action (bars , shops , best places to meet girls and bring them to a good casa) what hotel should he book in .

He gave me options like Melia Cohiba , Melia Habana , N.H Parque Central.

Thanks for then info !

John Jr.

[Member #4167]

A.) The regular girls I meet have no problems at all being seen with me in their neigbourhoods. Actually the contrary, they usually seem proud to be with someone else that the regular Cuban.

BUT

B.) The semi-pros I have from time to time hung out with, are scared to death walking or talking to me. No exceptions.Heck, I've been down there several months and I still haven't figured out how Cuba works. The rules change every day.

The difficult thing is: I do not kinow how to tell a regular girl from a semi-pro. And, frankly, I am not sure that a distinction exists. As you said elsewhere: it is rare to find a girl who is not attracted to gifts/money/oppurtunity for a visa offered by a tourist.

Therefore, wouldn't all cuban girls who go with a foreginer really be essentially considered semi-pros?

I am curious as to why in B above the "Semi-Pros" would be afraid to be seen with you, but in A) normal girls would not be. Actually I have heard that the opposite is the norm. Once a girl goes with a tourist, even for love, she is considered a jinitera. If she is a jinitera, she is a puta. Therefore to go out with you sets her on a career path she may not want to take (unless she is away from home in havana, where no one knows her from back home)

Is it in fact because the girls in B) above are more pro than semi-pro?

[El Rey De Pollo]

Interesting discussion. Main problem is where to differ between a regular girl and a semi-pro, because when does a regular girl cross that thin border and become a semi-pro?

When I say 'regular' I am probably using the term in another way that many would. At least in the post you are referring to. I talk about the 3-4 'regular' girls I have met, and by this I mean the 3-4 girls I have met who did not only not want money for sex, but were also very reluctant to accept anything else. Be it a pair of shoes, dinner at a restaurant, a 10 cuc bill for a phone-card or even a beer from my own fridge. I think we can agree that girls like that are 'regular' girls and nowhere near being semi-pros? Question is, if we need to invent a whole new word for this type of girl to seperate them from a 'regular' girl who did not pick you out for monetary reasons, but who is happy to be spoiled by you in every way she can. So, a girl that refuses everything - naturally to make a very clear point that she is the opposite of a jinetera and that she wants to be with you for other reasons than money - what do we call her? A 'religiously regular'? an 'opposite jinetera'? a 'bizarro-cubana'? I dont know.

Is a girl who YOU make a move on, who has never or only once before been with a foreigner, but who is happy to let you buy her shoes, food, clothes, whatever, then a semi-pro? Hard to say, but to me - depending on how demanding she gets - she is definately closer to being a semi-pro than a regular girl.

The small handful of 'regulars' (in my definition) I have met, have had no problems hanging with me in public, taking me to their house to meet family and neighbours, inviting be to the beach or on a picnic with the family, introducing me to all their friends etc. None at all. And these neighbours - while I can't guarantee that none of them start badmouthing the girls - have been super-friendly and very welcoming.

A girl who has no record of ever being with a foreigner, who holds a job or studies, who is from a decent family and whos friends are not all registered jineteras is not going to have a problem being seen with a foreigner. For sure not if that foreigner is within reasonable range of her own age, can take part in the questionning on the street in Spanish and who knows the girls full name, address, birthday, job/school etc. Yes, she might get stopped and checked often, she might even be taken to the station and harrased, but she is not going to go to jail.

But hey, all this might differ. I am no Brad Pitt, but a decent looking guy. I have passed 30, yes, but can pass as maybe 25-27 (Cuba takes 6 years off me in 7 days). I speak reasonably Spanish, I know some Cuban law and have no problem putting up a polite but firm attitude towards a policeman. I don't pick up girls at jinetera-packed clubs and I don't act or dress like I own the world including Cuba. Now, any tourist with opposite characteristics - 50 years, fat and ugly, no spanish, either rude or plain afraid of the police, coming out from Salon Rojo with an 18 year old cubana in his arm, drunk and acting like he is king of Cuba... Well, neither family, neighbours, friends or police is gonna believe this guy is picking up girls for free.



Heck, I've been down there several months and I still haven't figured out how Cuba works. The rules change every day.

The difficult thing is: I do not kinow how to tell a regular girl from a semi-pro. And, frankly, I am not sure that a distinction exists. As you said elsewhere: it is rare to find a girl who is not attracted to gifts/money/oppurtunity for a visa offered by a tourist.

Therefore, wouldn't all cuban girls who go with a foreginer really be essentially considered semi-pros?

I am curious as to why in B above the "Semi-Pros" would be afraid to be seen with you, but in A) normal girls would not be. Actually I have heard that the opposite is the norm. Once a girl goes with a tourist, even for love, she is considered a jinitera. If she is a jinitera, she is a puta. Therefore to go out with you sets her on a career path she may not want to take (unless she is away from home in havana, where no one knows her from back home)

Is it in fact because the girls in B) above are more pro than semi-pro?

[BeersTerry]

o.k...the list as I see it,

1. fidelistas
2. regular girls
3. jinateras
4. putas

I think that people are blurring #3 and #4. People think the jinatera they have met is a regular girl and the puta they are doing is a jinatera.

If she is a doctor or works in the resort but is doing you, she is a jinetera.
If you met her through her cousin or brother, she is a puta.

[Member #4167]

o.k...the list as I see it,

1. fidelistas
2. regular girls
3. jinateras
4. putas

I think that people are blurring #3 and #4. People think the jinatera they have met is a regular girl and the puta they are doing is a jinatera.This is so true. I have blurred the above categories. I have met many jevas who I thought were a 2 but wound up being a 3, but more often I have met many 4's who wound up being a 3.

What I Was referring to earlier was that I have heard from many cubans the following "If a cubana goes with a foreigner, she is considered a jinitera." Furthmermore I have heard cubanos make the statement "All jiniteras are putas." If you ask a cubano for a jinitera they will bring you a puta.

A Better Definition

Maybe there are no clear lines, as girls flit between being a 2-3-4 chameleon-like and with relative ease. Some weeks they are a 2 and some weeks they are a 4. I have met many jevas that cubanos told me were puticas, and then the girls didnt want to put out, even for money. Perhaps they were afraid of police. So they went from being a 4 to category 0 - or a "nun".

The one thing that is consistent about cuba is that cuba is forever inconsistent.

[El Chico]

If she is a doctor or works in the resort but is doing you, she is a jinetera.

If you met her through her cousin or brother, she is a puta.As I'm sure many of you know already, the word "jinetera" is Spanish for female jockey and comes from the notion of girls riding foreigners for money. Therefore, technically any girl that meets and receives money from a foreigner would be considered a jinetera and would exclude her from the category of regular girl, especially from the view of the Cubans.

[El Rey De Pollo]

What I Was referring to earlier was that I have heard from many cubans the following "If a cubana goes with a foreigner, she is considered a jinitera."

Well of course. If your 'white' country was a magnet for saudia-arabian oil-tycoons, and all the girls you knew - every single one of them - preferred these guys over you and your gringo friends, you would call all the girls hookers too. These cuban guys are pissed because the girls are running after tourists. Off course, 95% of these girls are in it for the money, but some are not.

These cubanos... why even bother with them?... Theres about 3 million of them running around the streets of every Cuban town hoping they will run into some newly arrived tourist, so they can get between the stupid tourist and the cuban girl for a cut of the dough. Everybody who was been to Cuba a couple of times and can communicate with a girl knows that the number one rule is that these guys are useless idiots. If I had a thousand fingers, I still couldn't count on two hands how many times a cuban guy has asked me if I wanted a girl. I get sick of seeing them. I tell them - in the nicest words I can find in that situation - to fuck off. And then they actually fuck off, which they donøt if you just say 'no, gracias'.

I do have Cuban friends. I don't involve in them in my chicas. They don't ask to be involved. They don't need to be. They make their money on the black market, but not as jineteros. I don't care much for jineterAS, but I hate jineterOS.

[Member #4167]

Everybody who was been to Cuba a couple of times and can communicate with a girl knows that the number one rule is that these guys are useless idiots. I agree.

I usually avoid these guys. On part of my journey, I was in a smallish town and couldn't land a chica for the life of me. (Except for some overweight 40ish hardened pros - who would pester me mercilessly). Then, out of desparation, I sought out cubanos for referrals. It took me alot of wasted time and wasted money to learn the lesson that these guys are useless.

In retrospect - I should have just gone to another city where there was freindlier chicas.

That's the problem with cuba - there is a LOOOONG learning curve.

[BeersTerry]

I have a bone to pick. You dogs are ruining the girls in Havana. A jinatera I was with wanted badly for me to kiss 'the man in the boat'. Now I know Cubans won't do this, so it must be you dirty bastards.

She was pretty upset that I would'nt do this, so I had to stick something in her mouth to shut her up.

[Member #4167]

I have a bone to pick. You dogs are ruining the girls in Havana. A jinatera I was with wanted badly for me to kiss 'the man in the boat'. Now I know Cubans won't do this, so it must be you dirty bastards.

She was pretty upset that I would'nt do this, so I had to stick something in her mouth to shut her up.BeersTerry - You are too funny. Wasn't me. She would have to test negative for me to do that.

Hey - I always like your trip reports, because you tell it like it is in Cuba, without BS. What are things like there since the Hurricanes? What cities have you been to? How is the police enforcement situation?

[BeersTerry]

I was only in Havana this trip.

There are some food shortages and I would not trust the water situation. Some areas have their electicity cutting out every now and then. Cops are stretched a little thin which means there are lots of girls everywhere. Some places had some real cuties from the Oriente earning money for hurricane relief. Tourism is down so you might be mauled by the chicas. Funny though, they still did'nt want to drop the asking prices much.

The thrill of the trip was walking from Habana vieja to mi casa in Vedado. Said hi to a nice looking girl standing in a doorway in centro. Well, cuba being cuba....45 minutes later I continued my walk home and she had grocery money. Being somewhat responsible but horny, I just got the Bill Clinton special.

Saturday night was packed on the malecon, as was Salon Rojo.
Walked around the areas Amocuba hangs around but saw no such dude as he described himself.

Enforement of things have been more stringent since Raul took over. Casa enforcement, alot less leakage. For example, there is no fear that rum and beer are fake....but Cubans will find a way to make money.

[Amocuba]

I was only in Havana this trip.....

Saturday night was packed on the malecon, as was Salon Rojo.
Walked around the areas Amocuba hangs around but saw no such dude as he described himself.

Enforement of things have been more stringent since Raul took over. Casa enforcement, alot less leakage. For example, there is no fear that rum and beer are fake....but Cubans will find a way to make money.

I left Havana for Miami on Friday the 26th and wasn't there on Saturday night. The two weeks previous I was almost always within 2 blocks of the Habana Libre or Hotel Colina. Sorry I missed you Beersterry, a few beers and swapping 'war' stories would have been interesting.

[Member #4167]

I was only in Havana this trip.

There are some food shortages and I would not trust the water situation. Some areas have their electicity cutting out every now and then. Cops are stretched a little thin which means there are lots of girls everywhere. Some places had some real cuties from the Oriente earning money for hurricane relief. Tourism is down so you might be mauled by the chicas. Funny though, they still did'nt want to drop the asking prices much.I am curious, what are the asking prices for an attractive slender 18-21 year old for a ST FS session?

[BeersTerry]

Don't know, but an attractive, slender 23 y.o. wanted $50 for S.T.

[Member #4167]

Don't know, but an attractive, slender 23 y.o. wanted $50 for S.T.That is 55 US

IT used to be (in the 90's) that you could go to Cuba for cheap sex. While that 50CUC price is cheap by european standards or by Escort standards, it is no bargain.

Of course, some of the jiniteras of cuba are prettier with nicer bodies (I guess it depends on their having had children yet)

Here, if I look hard enough I can get a 20-25 year old for 45-60 for ST. Yes, she uses drugs, but is slender, not ugly. not a hardbody, but generally not flabby either.

To be fair, lets compare like quality. Here, one could find an independent escort of like quality to cuban jiniteras for 100 - 150 per hour.

Trip to cuba: 25/day for the casa particular, 50/day for the car, 15/day for the food, at 450 for airfare and a 15 day trip 450/15 = 30/day for the airflight. 55/day (US) for the jinitera. Hmmm 25+50+15+30+55 = 175/day. Let's cut out the car, and we still get 125/day.

Geez, I thought cuba was supposed to be one of the POOREST countries in the western hemisphere? The average person earns 20/month, whereas in the USA the average person earns 2000/month.

[Member #4167]

I was only in Havana this trip.

There are some food shortages and I would not trust the water situation. Some areas have their electicity cutting out every now and then. Cops are stretched a little thin which means there are lots of girls everywhere. Some places had some real cuties from the Oriente earning money for hurricane relief. Tourism is down so you might be mauled by the chicas. Funny though, they still did'nt want to drop the asking prices much.

The thrill of the trip was walking from Habana vieja to mi casa in Vedado. Said Hi to a nice looking girl standing in a doorway in centro. Well, Cuba being Cuba. 45 minutes later I continued my walk home and she had grocery money. Being somewhat responsible but horny, I just got the Bill Clinton special.

Saturday night was packed on the malecon, as was Salon Rojo. Walked around the areas Amocuba hangs around but saw no such dude as he described himself.

Enforement of things have been more stringent since Raul took over. Casa enforcement, alot less leakage. For example, there is no fear that rum and beer are fake. But Cubans will find a way to make money. BeersTerry. In my comment against high prices. I am not being critical of you. I went to Havana earlier this year and experienced similar price quotes. I am just amazed at the prices the girls charge and get.

When I went to Havana, I found that If you search long enough and hard enough and you haggle, and you are willing to stick with the same girl over several nites, you can get to 20CUC per FS. Still, one spends 75/day in travel expenses and wastes valuable vacation time with such a hunt in order to save 30 CUC. IT doesnt make sense.

The reasons for the high prices in havana are:

A) prostitution is still illegal and being in havana illegally from the oriente is still illegal. Illegal things fetch higher prices.

B) There is a cuban syaing: "EVERYTHING is illegal in Cuba, and everything is done in Cuba. " I guess some things are more illegal than others.

C) the police / or local informants (Cederistas) are less visible but still in the shadows. I think they get a substantial cut. A yuma pays 50 CUC, maybe 25 goes for payoffs.

D) the old cuban communist mentality is: "my time isn't valuable. Yours is. I will negotiate with you for hours to gain an extra $5. In fact, I can wait you out for days to get the 50CUC. "

Is it cheaper in the cities outside of Havana? The answer is no. I met a girl who lived in a town appx 100 miles outside of Havana. When I went to her house the next day, her mother said that she went to the hospital for two weeks in havana. It is funny how her mom knew exactly how long the girl would be "sick" in the hospital. A girl could pide una botella and ride to havana for free (or maybe pay a BJ). She could pay $1-$2/day for her lodging. By sharing with other girls. 2/day for food. She picks up some easy cash. Pays off her bribes to the local lagra and returns home with a bankroll. Of course, even that money must be shared among the family.

The cuban way of life is that everything is shared. She is not working for herself, but for the policia, and the family, and perhaps even a boyfriend or husband at home. If she doesnt work, what happens: she doesnt starve. She will still eat. She still has a place to live (the family home).

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[BeersTerry]

I haggled with quite a few girls but they were all quoting union rates. They all walked away from $50 CUC. Cubans do not understand the market. They only know that they need $80 and will not go for less.

I did get a volume discount with one. The girl I found in the doorway was happy with what I gave her, which was far less than the pros wanted.

I also was a little compasionate in that the girls from the Oriente needed money for hurricane relief. The girl I was with a few times was sending alot of her money back to her mother.

Your alternative is to go walking in the barrios for girls that don't encounter extranjeros much and are grateful for the opportunity. If I had a little more time, I may have done that.

[Kalifornication]

I haggled with quite a few girls but they were all quoting union rates. They all walked away from $50 CUC. Cubans do not understand the market. They only know that they need $80 and will not go for less.

I did get a volume discount with one. The girl I found in the doorway was happy with what I gave her, which was far less than the pros wanted.

I also was a little compasionate in that the girls from the Oriente needed money for hurricane relief. The girl I was with a few times was sending alot of her money back to her mother.

Your alternative is to go walking in the barrios for girls that don't encounter extranjeros much and are grateful for the opportunity. If I had a little more time, I may have done that.

Did prices go upsince July 2008? When I was in Havana, $50 CUC was the magic number.

[FoxesHunter]

Hi, I know Colombia but I don't know Cuba at all. Could you tell me what is easier to meet girls for fucking between Cuba and Dominican Republic? I like more girlfriend experience but I like P4P too. I'd like also to know how much have I pay to fuck girls in Cuba. Is it cheaper than Dominican Republic?
thanks

[El Cubanito]

Hi, I know Colombia but I don't know Cuba at all. Could you tell me what is easier to meet girls for fucking between Cuba and Dominican Republic? I like more girlfriend experience but I like P4P too. I'd like also to know how much have I pay to fuck girls in Cuba. Is it cheaper than Dominican Republic?
thanks

Dominican Republic for straight out fucking is the place to go. Now you can do the same in Cuba, but you will need to know the game and scam. If you are newbie, you will not have much time for that. You can have alot of fun if you go with a "Cuban Veteran" from this board who can show you the ropes.

In Dominican Republic there are a bunch of Hotels that are "Adult Entertaiment" Hotel. I have been to them, but if you were to asked me which Bollo I like the best. I have to say the Cuban Bollo. But that is just my taste. There are other guys that will say different, but I am just stating my taste before some people come at me with there shotguns.

[Gta Guy]

Hi Guys,

I can't wait to go to Cuba at the end of next month. Since this is my first time to Cuba I need some advice from previous travellers.

I'm basically looking for a guest/girl friendly Casa in Havana and some good places to pick up chics. Sorry I do not speak spanish but I'll force my self to learn few words.

Thank you in advance.

[Amocuba]

Hi Guys,

I can't wait to go to Cuba at the end of next month. Since this is my first time to Cuba I need some advice from previous travellers.

I'm basically looking for a guest/girl friendly Casa in Havana and some good places to pick up chics. Sorry I do not speak spanish but I'll force my self to learn few words.

Thank you in advance.

Hi Gta, send me a PM and I can share some info with you.

[El Rey De Pollo]

GTA,

While your question may be easy to answer in a sentence or three, you gotta know that picking up girls in Cuba and the way to do this best, is a book that never ever ends. It's not easy. It takes game, previous experience in the country, Spanish-skills and general wits and smartness.

That said, off course you can get laid, and here's the simple answer:

For chica-friendly casa, just do a google search for 'casa particular cuba', send out your needs to 4-5 different 'agents' and be specific that you want a casa where you can bring girls. They are used to this request and they won't even crack a small smile when they read your mail. I don't use these agencies myself anymore as I now know enough casas, but I have used bedincuba, cubaparticular and destinohabana and had good experiences with them in the past.

Pick up chics: Without speaking Spanish, you'll be limited to the hooker-hot spots, which can be divided up into two main categoris: Street and Disco.

Streets where you can always find girls looking for a yuma: Prado, Parque Central and La Rampa in vedado.

Discos divided into sub-categoris:
Cheap (relatively speaking - sex is not cheap in Cuba compared to living costs there) chicas: Tikoa, other small discos.
Expensive chicas: Casa de la Musica, Salon Rojo etc.
VERY expensive chicas: El Turquino


Happy travels. Let us know how you fare.


Hi Guys,

I can't wait to go to Cuba at the end of next month. Since this is my first time to Cuba I need some advice from previous travellers.

I'm basically looking for a guest/girl friendly Casa in Havana and some good places to pick up chics. Sorry I do not speak spanish but I'll force my self to learn few words.

Thank you in advance.

[JohnMajor23]

Travelling Gring,

For you what is the cheap discos?Can u tell us others cheaper?

I can advice one and it is the tun tun diablo.10 CUC the entrance and the girls are 30 to 40 CUC and they are pretty.

Malecon is not bad the day but you must be discret with the police.

La Rampa , the night there are some putas but the day i dont think its possible to pick one for the police.

For the prado , the day i didnt see something but maybe the night?

If u speak spanish and know the rules ; it is easy i fuck 5 in 4 days..The good things are that you can fuck anygirl , it is a man dream!

How can we pick up the girls of tropicana? A cuban friend told me that we can wait them outside of the club after the show. What do you think folks about it?

[Baudelairemod]

Hi guys,

I am going to stay in Cuba from 24 of february to 8 of march. Until 2 of march I am staying in Camaguey and then probably in Havana. Living in Europe I had to book a long time before. Well here are my four questions:

1 - Will anyone be there in the period so that we could meet, drink something and maybe hunt together?

2 - Is it so difficult to find chicas for a young man (in his twenties), neither ugly nor awesomely handsome and who is eventually available to P4P?

3 - I will be until 2 of march in Camaguey since a friend of mine told me it was a good hunting reserve but then I will be back in Havana...my question is: better staying in Havana or going to Pinar del Rio?

4 - What is actually the cop's attitude towars tourist?

[Kalifornication]

GTA,

While your question may be easy to answer in a sentence or three, you gotta know that picking up girls in Cuba and the way to do this best, is a book that never ever ends. It's not easy. It takes game, previous experience in the country, Spanish-skills and general wits and smartness.

That said, off course you can get laid, and here's the simple answer:

For chica-friendly casa, just do a google search for 'casa particular cuba', send out your needs to 4-5 different 'agents' and be specific that you want a casa where you can bring girls. They are used to this request and they won't even crack a small smile when they read your mail. I don't use these agencies myself anymore as I now know enough casas, but I have used bedincuba, cubaparticular and destinohabana and had good experiences with them in the past.

Pick up chics: Without speaking Spanish, you'll be limited to the hooker-hot spots, which can be divided up into two main categoris: Street and Disco.

Streets where you can always find girls looking for a yuma: Prado, Parque Central and La Rampa in vedado.

Discos divided into sub-categoris:
Cheap (relatively speaking - sex is not cheap in Cuba compared to living costs there) chicas: Tikoa, other small discos.
Expensive chicas: Casa de la Musica, Salon Rojo etc.
VERY expensive chicas: El Turquino


Happy travels. Let us know how you fare.

You say: "Pick up chics: Without speaking Spanish, you'll be limited to the hooker-hot spots, which can be divided up into two main categoris: Street and Disco."

My Spanish is not great and El Cubanito can confirm that I've done ok. Brush up on your Spanish as best you can, contact chicas before you go to establish some "trust" and you will be on your way. Good luck.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Daren,

I don't know what 'not great' constitutes. Personally, I have never witnessed any foreigner who could communicate and carry on a fairly basic conversation in Spanish pick up a good looking regular girl from off the street. But I've seen many girls turn away and ignore tourists that spoke to them in English.

So I can't say that picking up hot 'normal' girls outside clubs is impossible, only that I have never witnessed it. Be it when watching guys I know or strangers. But I have seen so many scared eyes on these girls.

To me it makes sense. Worst thing that can happen to a Cuban girl is to be stopped by a cop who is sure she is a hooker. And it is obviously harder (not to say close to impossible) for a girl to make a cop believe that the tourist she is with is her boyfriend if she can't talk to him...

If you've got the magic-key - please let the guys in on it :-) I don't need Cubanitos confirmation, I see no reason why you would be lying, as you don't have a reputation for this, at least in my book.


You say: "Pick up chics: Without speaking Spanish, you'll be limited to the hooker-hot spots, which can be divided up into two main categoris: Street and Disco."

My Spanish is not great and El Cubanito can confirm that I've done ok. Brush up on your Spanish as best you can, contact chicas before you go to establish some "trust" and you will be on your way. Good luck.

[El Rey De Pollo]

1. Not me, unfortunately.

2. No, you will probably do okay, P4P is available all over Cuba, allthough not as crazy and definately not as cheap as it used to be. Like I have said before, I consider reasonable Spanish-skills something that will make a huge impact on how many chicas you can meet.

3. Do you mean in general or for chicas? For girls, Havana has loads, but rural girls are often nicer, as they are not that used to (and ruined by) loads of horny foreigners trying to pick them up for cash.

4. If you do nothing wrong, they will be cool with you. They don't want to scare tourists (they are instructed not to). But if you do anything wrong some of them are just waiting for an excuse to hazzle you. As for girls, most cops don't have any problem at all stopping you and taking your chicas with him to the precinct (or nearest dark alley). Most cops appreciate a bribe.


Hi guys,

I am going to stay in Cuba from 24 of february to 8 of march. Until 2 of march I am staying in Camaguey and then probably in Havana. Living in Europe I had to book a long time before. Well here are my four questions:

1 - Will anyone be there in the period so that we could meet, drink something and maybe hunt together?

2 - Is it so difficult to find chicas for a young man (in his twenties), neither ugly nor awesomely handsome and who is eventually available to P4P?

3 - I will be until 2 of march in Camaguey since a friend of mine told me it was a good hunting reserve but then I will be back in Havana...my question is: better staying in Havana or going to Pinar del Rio?

4 - What is actually the cop's attitude towars tourist?

[Member #4643]

A friend of mine is off to Cuba. I have found him a Casa Particular that is chica friendly, and have given him my advice for how to find chicas (having been to havana twice in the last few years), but I know he will have difficulty finding anyone bit the hard core chicas.

Does anyone have a taxi driver/guide who he could hire to take him about havana and introduce him to the scene? He speaks basic Spanish, but I suspect his communication skills aren't too bad.

please pm me if you have any suggestions, Thanks F

[Kalifornication]

Daren,

I don't know what 'not great' constitutes. Personally, I have never witnessed any foreigner who could communicate and carry on a fairly basic conversation in Spanish pick up a good looking regular girl from off the street. But I've seen many girls turn away and ignore tourists that spoke to them in English.

So I can't say that picking up hot 'normal' girls outside clubs is impossible, only that I have never witnessed it. Be it when watching guys I know or strangers. But I have seen so many scared eyes on these girls.

To me it makes sense. Worst thing that can happen to a Cuban girl is to be stopped by a cop who is sure she is a hooker. And it is obviously harder (not to say close to impossible) for a girl to make a cop believe that the tourist she is with is her boyfriend if she can't talk to him...

If you've got the magic-key - please let the guys in on it :-) I don't need Cubanitos confirmation, I see no reason why you would be lying, as you don't have a reputation for this, at least in my book.

Magic key, hmmm, ... yes I have it. Its called respect and patience. Maybe I just got lucky.

[Baudelairemod]

Thanks for the answer, I'm definitevely thinking about going in Pinar del Rio instead of Havana, you know I don't like big cities and moreover it seemed to me that Havana is really too much for tourist. I prefer more genuine girls from the countryside. About my spanish I have to say that I am italian and I have been twice in Spain so It isn't so difficult for me: off course I'll have to work my approach vocabulary! Contact me if you change your mind about being in the Isla in that period!


1. Not me, unfortunately.

2. No, you will probably do okay, P4P is available all over Cuba, allthough not as crazy and definately not as cheap as it used to be. Like I have said before, I consider reasonable Spanish-skills something that will make a huge impact on how many chicas you can meet.

3. Do you mean in general or for chicas? For girls, Havana has loads, but rural girls are often nicer, as they are not that used to (and ruined by) loads of horny foreigners trying to pick them up for cash.

4. If you do nothing wrong, they will be cool with you. They don't want to scare tourists (they are instructed not to). But if you do anything wrong some of them are just waiting for an excuse to hazzle you. As for girls, most cops don't have any problem at all stopping you and taking your chicas with him to the precinct (or nearest dark alley). Most cops appreciate a bribe.

[Baudelairemod]

Hi guys,

does somebody know great places to find girls: the best would be semi-pro.

I'm talking about discos, pubs, streets and each place that would suit.

Thanks to everybody.

[Baudelairemod]

Off course in Havana!

[Pegasus99]

Forest,

I just sent you the contact information for a very reliable young taxi driver who I have used in the recent past. I am not sure if this guy can help with the chicas but he can try. I don't generally ask taxi drivers for girls as there are many other ways to find good ones. I will post my more recent experiences shortly as you get of course all kinds and I have had mixed luck.

I did find two fantastic casa particulars in Old Havana which I would recommend strongly to anyone who is interested. The ladies who own these are very friendly, the rooms are very clean and they are within a few minutes walk from the Capitol.

Pegasus

A friend of mine is off to Cuba. I have found him a Casa Particular that is chica friendly, and have given him my advice for how to find chicas (having been to havana twice in the last few years), but I know he will have difficulty finding anyone bit the hard core chicas.

Does anyone have a taxi driver/guide who he could hire to take him about havana and introduce him to the scene? He speaks basic Spanish, but I suspect his communication skills aren't too bad.

please pm me if you have any suggestions, Thanks F

[Pegasus99]

I have done ok as well in recent times based on my limited Spanish (I can carry on a reasonable conversation with bad grammar). But indeed, this has been largely due to help from security guards at hotels and a person who runs a bar near the Capitol (on the street of the Inglaterra Disco) who has a reasonable supply of girls. The bar guy’s girls are not drop-dead gorgeous (as I like them) but do the job and are good for a couple of hours. I must say that my experience with security guards has been much better. I have got at least twice very nice, young, beautiful girls who I continued to see after getting their phone numbers. Very recently, I was just having a drink at a hotel down the street and the security there provided me with an absolute stunner - 18 years old, great body, beautiful eyes and the best sex I have had in Havana so far.

Apart from this, my university girl (see my previous posts) finally delivered on the large amount I spent on her during my first encounter with her and spared no efforts to please me on my last visit. I spent 3 nights with her. Last, but not least, I befriended a young girl who is also definitely not a puta and she finally accepted me as her boyfriend after some persistence and a couple of evenings with her. She now takes me around, spends the day with me and we even spent a weekend together. I contribute to her household to the extent I feel like. Bonus - she speaks very good English and is not afraid to walk hand in hand with me on the streets as she does not fear the cops.

I am very happy to have discovered Havana and enjoy my visits here. For the price I pay in London for a one hour (high class) encounter, I can get sex for 3 to 4 nights, casa included with girls that are younger and are eager to please.

Pegasus



You say: "Pick up chics: Without speaking Spanish, you'll be limited to the hooker-hot spots, which can be divided up into two main categoris: Street and Disco."

My Spanish is not great and El Cubanito can confirm that I've done ok. Brush up on your Spanish as best you can, contact chicas before you go to establish some "trust" and you will be on your way. Good luck.

[El Rey De Pollo]

This being a 'quote of my quote' I should probably reply: I have never said people can't get laid in Cuba without speaking Spanish. This is a town made up of pimps. You can hardly walk 50 meters without some guy offering you pussy.

I never use these guys. For anyone interested in working on their own, Spanish at a fairly good level is just a must. Off course, one might be lucky enough to meet a girl who speaks English (like you have), but these are close to impossible to find. I have spend months in Havana without meeting a single girl who spoke English.


I have done ok as well in recent times based on my limited Spanish (I can carry on a reasonable conversation with bad grammar). But indeed, this has been largely due to help from security guards at hotels and a person who runs a bar near the Capitol (on the street of the Inglaterra Disco) who has a reasonable supply of girls. The bar guy’s girls are not drop-dead gorgeous (as I like them) but do the job and are good for a couple of hours. I must say...
Pegasus

[Baudelairemod]

Hi guys,

Could you suggest me a good casa particular chica-friendly in Habana Vieja?

It would be great if the have email address.

Thanks to everybody!

[QuackUp]

Just got back from Havana. I was with my girlfriend, so no p4p, but we went to two places that seemed to be good to pickup chicas.

First place was a place called Havana Cantarse. Because her sister drove, I'am not sure where this place is located. Anyways, this club has different theme nights for each day of the week. We went on a Sunday night and it was American 70's and 80's rock night.

First it was a dj playing the hits, then around 20:00 a live band comes out singing the songs of the past.

I had to use the bathroom and from where we were sitting, I had to cross the entire room. As I was walking to the bathroom with the long bar to my left, a chica grabs my arm and starts to smile. I told her with sign language to hold on, I need to go to the bathroom. She smiled and nodded.

After using the bathroom, I didn't see the girl again. She might have been dancing, or at another table with someone else. Anyways, if I wasn't with my girlfriend, there seemed to be some good availiablity.

I didn't pay for anything so I'am not sure what the cost was.

The second place was called the Havana club. Located just outside the Melia hotel. More foreigners at this club. Again, just going to the bathroom, caught the eyes of some chicas looking to hookup.

This club is like the latin Hard Rock Cafe, only with live entertainment. This club was alot of fun and not sure if you could score with some of the chicas in the show, but there were a couple that were downright gorgeous.

At both places, the chicas that made contact with me were 7 -8 on the scale from 1 - 10.

Sorry for not having the address or cost of the clubs but hopefully this will help some of the newbies going to Havana who are having trouble finding places to pickup the chicas.

[BeersTerry]

Habana Cafe - we all know about it, chicas wanting alot of $$$
Not sure what the other place you are talking about, Cafe Cantante ?

[El Rey De Pollo]

Yeah, must be Cantante...

Add Casa de la musica, Turquino and Salon Rojo to that group of clubs and you've got the full handful of expensive-worn out-hooker-hotspots of Habana.


Habana Cafe - we all know about it, chicas wanting alot of $$$
Not sure what the other place you are talking about, Cafe Cantante ?

[El Cubanito]

Yeah, must be Cantante...

Add Casa de la musica, Turquino and Salon Rojo to that group of clubs and you've got the full handful of expensive-worn out-hooker-hotspots of Habana.

Worn out is about right. That is why I only go for Quality and not quantity. In Quantity you don't know how much that shit been stretch out.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Exactly. And then imagine if I was one of the ones who had been there stretching it. Then it would really be stretched out :-)


Worn out is about right. That is why I only go for Quality and not quantity. In Quantity you don't know how much that shit been stretch out.

[El Cubanito]

Exactly. And then imagine if I was one of the ones who had been there stretching it. Then it would really be stretched out :-)

Nah man that is for the Italian boys. They claim there shit is all the way down by there ankle.

I laugh all the time when I see these guys struttling around Cuba.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Italian boys have the smallest penises in the world apart from the Chinese. But they also have the biggest mouths, go figure.

In all seriousness, no huge offense meant to any Italians reading, these people have ruined a lot in Cuba. There are whole villages in Cuba where they have pillaged and fucked and treated the locals like shit, so now the people there hate all tourists.

I don't know what's up with these guys. They have no respect for neither the girls nor the men. Off course, there are probably decent Italians as well, but they were among the first to discover the treasures of Cuba in the 90's and the first to destroy it again.


Nah man that is for the Italian boys. They claim there shit is all the way down by there ankle.

I laugh all the time when I see these guys struttling around Cuba.

[Americano573]

italian boys have the smallest penises in the world apart from the chinese. but they also have the biggest mouths, go figure.

in all seriousness, no huge offense meant to any italians reading, these people have ruined a lot in cuba. there are whole villages in cuba where they have pillaged and fucked and treated the locals like shit, so now the people there hate all tourists.

i don't know what's up with these guys. they have no respect for neither the girls nor the men. off course, there are probably decent italians as well, but they were among the first to discover the treasures of cuba in the 90's and the first to destroy it again.
i agree with you 100% thess guys have destroyed cuba and their behavioiur gives the locals a bad impression of all tourists they continue to drive up prices paying $150 - $ 200 for chicas the the chicas expect us to pay it.the local town of guanabo and its surrounding areas not to mention hotel tropicocio santa maria playa and its environs are all virtually italian colonies which means that if you go there to stay or look for chicas the only thing that you are bound to find are high prices and chicas with bad attitudes. cabaret salon rojo and havana cafe are also notoriously packed with italians my wing man was utterly speechless when he realized that 85 % the men in salon rojo were italian 13% cuban and then the remaining 2% included us was a spattering of canadians and man were the prices high!! good thing i went with a chica!! having said all thta cuban chicas are more likely to speak italian than english or anyone other language apart from their native tongue "cuban" oops i mean spanish. there are also chicas who are obsessed with italians and going to italy so the italians will always be in demand. love them or hate them they are their to stay and t be quite honest i find thenm very entertaining as the strut n the clubs beches and the streets paying top dollar to burnt out over priced hard core pros give me the less celebarted regular chicas anytime of the day. having said all that the gentlemen from spain are looking to pick up where the italians left off however each to his own one mans meat is another man's poison and vice versa

[Kalifornication]

i agree with you 100% thess guys have destroyed cuba and their behavioiur gives the locals a bad impression of all tourists they continue to drive up prices paying $150 - $ 200 for chicas the the chicas expect us to pay it.the local town of guanabo and its surrounding areas not to mention hotel tropicocio santa maria playa and its environs are all virtually italian colonies which means that if you go there to stay or look for chicas the only thing that you are bound to find are high prices and chicas with bad attitudes. cabaret salon rojo and havana cafe are also notoriously packed with italians my wing man was utterly speechless when he realized that 85 % the men in salon rojo were italian 13% cuban and then the remaining 2% included us was a spattering of canadians and man were the prices high!! good thing i went with a chica!! having said all thta cuban chicas are more likely to speak italian than english or anyone other language apart from their native tongue "cuban" oops i mean spanish. there are also chicas who are obsessed with italians and going to italy so the italians will always be in demand. love them or hate them they are their to stay and t be quite honest i find thenm very entertaining as the strut n the clubs beches and the streets paying top dollar to burnt out over priced hard core pros give me the less celebarted regular chicas anytime of the day. having said all that the gentlemen from spain are looking to pick up where the italians left off however each to his own one mans meat is another man's poison and vice versa

this is our backyard, not theirs! ok am am not serious. smile.

but seems as if the ills of capitalism is making its way to europe too. perhaps, given the economic crisis in europe, the will stay local?


industrial output falls again in september, making an italian recession a certainty
italy probably entered a recession in the second half of 2008, international monetary fund and european central bank board member mario draghi indicated last month. after gdp contracted 0.3 percent in the second quarter, ``the most recent indicators confirm negative signs,'' draghi said on oct. 21. europe's fourth- biggest economy will shrink 0.1 percent this year and 0.2 percent next year, the imf said separately.


spain's economy secretary david vegara said the government may revise downward its 2009 growth projection of 1.0 percent because of global turmoil. he said a 0.2 percent contraction was likely in the third quarter of 2008.
and spanish airline iberia, which is discussing a tie-up with british airways, said its third-quarter earnings plunged nearly 80 percent due to soaring fuel prices and weak demand.

[PincheCabron]

Hey folks. I just recently got back from the island. Mainly santiago for a week and a half and two days in havana. Well not the best trip I had but you can never really have a bad trip in cuba can you. But it was quite a difference from the summer during carnaval and the athmosphere now. I stuck mainly with a couple of chicas I met previously and they were very paranoid with being seen with a foreigner. One was more than content just being in the casa and never going out. During carnaval I guess is when the rules become lax enough that it seems like being back in the good old days. But that only lasted one week. That being said discreet pickups can be had easily in santiago IF you speak decent spanish. Girls were whistling at me left and right when the coast was clear. I saw many pros with their chulo around the melia santiago and the requisite old italians in the restaurants with their escorts for the evening. I didn't any cubanas walking around with their foreign boyfriends in the street though so I think there's something to the paranoia. Especially the puntos de control. My girl's prima was stopped as she rode in the back of a motorino and hauled off. My guess is she has a history but this is the scene at the moment. Originally I had planned to take a bus back to havana to catch my flight but I opted to fly. The main reason I contemplated taking the bus was to gauge the damage from the hurricanes. When I made it to havana I did see more than a few collapsed buildings especially around centro. A few streets had debris blocking the sidewalks for a few weeks now with no attempt to clear it all. The mood in cuba is bad overall as you can imagine with the economic downturn and the hurricanes. Raul is pissing everyone off with his mismanagement of the economy. When people wish Fidel was back in charge things are baaad!

[Baudelairemod]

Hi to everybody: I'm Italian and would like to agree and disagree with what said.

1- I don't have a small penis. (and on this I won't make any retirement!) ;-). In any case I think that, except black guys, in every white country there are guts with big and small dick! Right?

2- I really agree with what has been said about Italians when they are out of Italy: they treat everybody as stupid (and then everybody think they are stupid!) and act as apes, thinking that if it isn't their country, why should they care of it?

3- Don't worry in any case when they are at home, often they're worse!ù

4- It is very difficult to see what you call distinguished men abroad, since either they go in strange locations or they stay in Italy (where girls are really stunning, believe me!, but too interested in appearence and money) where their money opens doors and holes very dufficult to open...

Off course I put myself in the group of distinguished gentlemen!.

Hope that defense could at least save me from being located among Italian "apes"

[El Rey De Pollo]

Pinche,

What a great little status-report. I love these small updates on current life in Cuba. I would expect the Cubans to be pissed off about life by now. That is sad.

[Kalifornication]

Hi to everybody: I'm Italian and would like to agree and disagree with what said.

1- I don't have a small penis. (and on this I won't make any retirement!) ;-). In any case I think that, except black guys, in every white country there are guts with big and small dick! Right?

2- I really agree with what has been said about Italians when they are out of Italy: they treat everybody as stupid (and then everybody think they are stupid!) and act as apes, thinking that if it isn't their country, why should they care of it?

3- Don't worry in any case when they are at home, often they're worse!ù

4- It is very difficult to see what you call distinguished men abroad, since either they go in strange locations or they stay in Italy (where girls are really stunning, believe me!, but too interested in appearence and money) where their money opens doors and holes very dufficult to open...

Off course I put myself in the group of distinguished gentlemen!.

Hope that defense could at least save me from being located among Italian "apes"

We are all Italians on ISG!

[PincheCabron]

Santiago probably gets the worse from Italy maybe. They put up with them only cause they have to. But most casa owners really don't like italians for the aforementioned reasons even though they're the majority of their clientele. I try to be neutral when I run into other foreigners but meeting some of those types makes me never want to set foot in italy. On the flipside I went to a beach on my last trip and this old dude pulled up in a rental with 3 girls. He bought a ton of crab and treated everyone on the beach. Mind you though there was hardly anyone there. But he did fit the rare distinguished gentleman type lol.



Hi to everybody: I'm Italian and would like to agree and disagree with what said.

1- I don't have a small penis. (and on this I won't make any retirement!) ;-). In any case I think that, except black guys, in every white country there are guts with big and small dick! Right?

2- I really agree with what has been said about Italians when they are out of Italy: they treat everybody as stupid (and then everybody think they are stupid!) and act as apes, thinking that if it isn't their country, why should they care of it?

3- Don't worry in any case when they are at home, often they're worse!ù

4- It is very difficult to see what you call distinguished men abroad, since either they go in strange locations or they stay in Italy (where girls are really stunning, believe me!, but too interested in appearence and money) where their money opens doors and holes very dufficult to open...

Off course I put myself in the group of distinguished gentlemen!.

Hope that defense could at least save me from being located among Italian "apes"

[Baudelairemod]

We are all Italians on ISG!Sorry? What you mean?

[El Grande]

Sorry? What you mean?

Actually ISG menas ITALIAN-Sex-Guide!

rofl

[Baudelairemod]

Actually ISG menas ITALIAN-Sex-Guide!

roflReally? I thought it was International.

[Sexmetv]

Just got back from a short hop to Havana, a few observations

1) Cuba is freakin expensive and it has to do with that "imaginary" exchange rate they use for the CUC the Euro = .88CUC and the C$ = .69 are you kidding me?!! anyways enough of my rant!

2) While there were the usual policias around, the professional girls were doing good business, saw many gringos at many bars doing quite well. The going rate is about $90 to $100 CUC for the pro's and they don't negotiate very much.

3) You should be able to score a non-pro for between $50 and $60CUC, the lowest I've had was $40CUC but haven't been able to replicate that too often so I consider it an outlyer.

4) If you don't mind getting off the beaten path, you can eat fairly cheaply in Havana but it's mostly chicken dishes.

As I've been going to Cuba for awhile, I never touch the pro's, yes they are attractive but the mechanical, business nature of the whole thing turns me off.

That said, a great anecdote about what makes Cuba such a great place. I have a very good friend in Cuba (who is very famous on the island) so we're out one night and a couple of his friends sit at our table and his friend is with his really attractive girlfriend. Of course I just admire her and think nothing of it. The next day, my friend approaches me and says simply "do you want her" of course I play dumb and say "who" and he says "the girl from last night" I say (because I am a silly North American at times "but she's got a boyriend" to which my friend laughs for about 3 minutes straight and then replies "everything is possible in Cuba" - of course this is all said in Spanish.

That evening she pops over we have a few glasses of rum and we end up having great sex for a couple of hours - total GFE - which is why I love Cuba, these women (the non pros) just know how to make a man feel good even if it's a man they barely know lol!

Very Later that night we run into them again at a disco and her boyfriend is being really cool and we're having a great time, so I whisper to my friend "does her boyfriend know" and he just smiles and winks. Now where else could that happen.

Anyhow, between Cuba and Colombia I get the best of both worlds, Colombia when I just want to have lot's of meaningless sex with stunningly hot women and Cuba when I don't mind chilling with the same stunningly hot girl for a whole trip (with a couple of impromptu lovers added for spice).

Regards,

[Ivon]

Hi,

I've been a very long time since I've posted or responded in this forum, after a long hiatus, I am considering a return to Havana. I used to post semi regularly here back in the day and hopefully a few of the long time lurkers may remember some of my posts.

I was kinda pissed after the last trip almost 3 years ago because I got sick of the same old bullshit. Anything new under the sun? Last time I was there, most of the places were closed except Turquino and Casa de la Musica, the usual dives in Vedado weren't really worth going to. I've read most of the recent reports and still not sure of what to make of the situation there as compared to say 2-3 years ago when it was awful. I've been to Cuba many times and am fluent in Spanish. Any perpective on the current scene would be appreciated.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Things in Cuba go up and down from week to week, but if you look at it on a lengthier perspective, things are only going one way: Down. Had done so since the 90's, hell, probably since the 60's, but I wasn't around then. So if you thought it had turned for the worse three years ago, you won't like it now. Been there one or two times yearly since 1998 and I have never returned and found that the chica-scene had improved since last visit.

Still, I keep going back like some kinda drugged zombie. But that's mostly because I know so many girls there now. Gotta broaden my horizon one day.


Hi,

I've been a very long time since I've posted or responded in this forum, after a long hiatus, I am considering a return to Havana. I used to post semi regularly here back in the day and hopefully a few of the long time lurkers may remember some of my posts.

I was kinda pissed after the last trip almost 3 years ago because I got sick of the same old bullshit. Anything new under the sun? Last time I was there, most of the places were closed except Turquino and Casa de la Musica, the usual dives in Vedado weren't really worth going to. I've read most of the recent reports and still not sure of what to make of the situation there as compared to say 2-3 years ago when it was awful. I've been to Cuba many times and am fluent in Spanish. Any perpective on the current scene would be appreciated.

[El Rey De Pollo]

Okay, guys, I haven't asked for help in here for a long, long time, but now I need some, so I hope you'll come through.

I've got about a 95% chance that I'll be doing an unexpected 14 days in Havana from around new years eve.

So I called both my regular casa and my regular back up casa today, and being peak season, they are of course both taken. Since I am picky and DO NOT want to end up booking some casa online through an agent who promises me gold and end up in a shithole where I can't bring my girls, I need your help.

Looking for an independent apartment in Vedado, preferably, but could be in Centro or Vieja. I can't live without a balcony/terrace. Must be super chica-friendly, of course, I don't even want the owners to have a carnet-policy. Just want to go in and out undisturbed with whom I want.

I understand if some of you don't want to share information this precious in public, so my private mailbox is open.

Got my fingers crossed...

[Vittu]

Re all this nonsense about Italians. Why doesn't anyone ever complain about Finnish men, or Icelandic?
Also note that the complaint about allegedly tiny Italian dicks was made by a poster and not a girl.

[Member #3200]

it isn't nonsense when it is true.

i don't how many times in the santa maria beach area i see italians of all ages; especially, the over 60 spare tire/dick do bald speedo wearers overpay the ugliest darkest things on the beach.

these tigers are ugly as sin, these italians fawn over them which inturn gives the other chicas on the beach or in the surrounding bars after dark a sense of entitlement to overcharge.

i won't lie--i only do light coloured cubans, but in the past few years, the darker 1s are the tigers/more aggressive while the light coloured 1s are scared as hell when a tourists approaches them.

back to the topic at hand, the local bar scene around playa de este, via blanca & el trebol bar has been quiet for the most part for a long time, but when the younger italians over cologne themselves, dress up like they are going to a milan fashion show & drop 100cuc for a chica it does screw up the market

i love the local bars there, but they are local dives where locals hangout & should be treated as such, not like hollywood it places.

[BeersTerry]

From Scandanavia......it tends to be middleaged women looking for Mr Right.

[Petrolero]

Why doesn't anyone ever complain about Finnish men, or Icelandic?

So where is the Scandinavian ghetto in Habana. Guanabo always had more Italians, than extranjeros from any other country, and those who got away from mama's house for 2 weeks to Cuba, were not the most becoming. The girls never asked, Que Pais, on the Via Blanca, they asked, Tu Eres Italiano.

[La Isla]

Even though I am not, I can pass for an Italian. If any girl askes me, "Eres Italiano?", I respond (with finger pointing), "No me insulta!"

They always laugh their ass off....

[El Rey De Pollo]

Good one. If I meet a girl who says '80 cuc' I say 'Esso es un cabeza italiano?' and point to my face. When they admit it is not, I pay 40.


Even though I am not, I can pass for an Italian. If any girl askes me, "Eres Italiano?", I respond (with finger pointing), "No me insulta!"

They always laugh their ass off....

[El Rey De Pollo]

Okay, guys, barely any response, time to bring out your casas :-)

Yeah, I know, you don't want your favourite casa to be taken next time there because you've told everyone about it. That is why I have my inbox open and why I will treat any tips the same way I ask others to treat my tips: I won't tell it on and I'll always stand down if you're going.

We all know this board is for helping everyone out, which is what we do. But in a place like Cuba where these best casas are so few, we also know that the best ones don't come out in the open because then the poster will never be able to book it again.

So guys, come on. Help a brutha out.

[Gta Guy]

hello guys,

first of all, i would like to thank each and every senior member here who had helped me to have best time in havana. my special thanks go to amocuba, el cubanito, rock harders, wet nose, vedado fun and pegasus99, who had replied to all pm and helped me all the way. some of you find my review long and boring but i’m writing this review keeping all the first timers in mind (as i was once).

let me give you some introduction first and then i’ll go day by day. me and two of my friends went to havana for the week of dec 7 – 14. this was our first trip to cuba and got to say, we had a blast. we don’t speak spanish at all; maybe we only know the word ‘gracias’. as a firs timer, i did lots of research before i go there and that’s what made me to have a good time in havana. i read almost every single post about cuba in this forum and all worth the time i spent. to be honest, i was little hesitated to spend $20 to become a member in this forum, but i found out that $20 saved me more than $200 when i was in cuba.

i booked a casa/private apartment through one of the websites recommended by senior members here. i also made a back up reservation as i heard sometimes my booked casa won’t be available when we arrive there, which was true in our case. we paid $35 for each room as we wanted our privacy. maybe next time, we can negotiate the price for less as we will be directly dealing with the owner (no middle man).

as i mentioned earlier, our apartment was changed when we arrived in cuba. i guess it’s kind of common in these days. i would have to accept this happed for our good as we had the best owner. the owner is old, very cool and helped us all the way and gave us all the advice we needed. oh. did i say he invited some chicas for us as well? another thing. we never went to any clubs to pick up chicas while we stayed in havana. and of course we had chicas when we wanted.

ok. here is our experience day by day?

day 1 (sunday)

scam at the airport

unfortunately one of my friends had to get a different flight as our flight was fully booked. his flight supposes to leave 1hr early but for some reason it was delayed by 2hrs. so me and my other friend arrived in cuba early and went to currency exchange to change cad – cuc. i have to say this was our first mistake we made in cuba. this place is full of scam. after i changed the money, i asked for a receipt and she kept on saying "no credit card". i knew she is acting like she does not understand english, so i kept on asking her for receipt. finally she realized i wouldn’t leave without the receipt and gave the receipt. when i counted my money i was short of 20 cuc. i counted the money couple of times to make sure and still short of 20 cuc. all this time i didn’t leave the counter. i was just staying on the side of the counter while she was helping other people. when i gave the money back saying i’m missing 20 cuc, she took the money underneath the counter and quickly added the 20 cuc to my notes (i was able to see her hand reaching a different place). then she brought the money up and started to count the money with a look i’m so stupid and i can’t count money. this time of course i got the correct change. at the same time my friend changed his money at a different counter. after he changed it, i asked him whether he got correct change. he wasn’t sure as he wasn’t aware of these scams. i took my pda and punched the numbers, he is missing 30 cuc. again they didn’t give the receipt to him and he didn’t bother asking for it either. we went back to the counter and asked the lady to give the receipt. gave all the money back and said we are missing 30cuc. at the same time another canadian who sent his wife to exchange cuc-cad was fighting with the lady saying he didn’t get all the money and they cheated his wife. maybe since our accountant realized we might fight too, she said sorry and gave the 30cuc without any hesitation. at the same time i saw another chinese guy asking for receipt at my previous counter and i saw the lady playing same trick saying no credit card. he asked for the receipt twice and then said "oh ok" and left. all this happened when i was with my friend at his counter. i felt sorry for that guy as i couldn’t help him. after we finished i looked for that guy but he is already gone.

i won’t recommend changing all of your money at the airport. we later changed some money in a bank (hotel notional) and had no problem. also keep in mind they won’t change any damaged notes at the bank; they may at the airport. at the airport, change only what you need for the day and change rest of the money in a bank. always ask for receipt and check all the numbers carefully. when i came back to toronto, i noticed that they are asking to sign the receipt. so make sure you check the numbers before you sign the paper.

taxi from varadero to havana

we paid $90 for taxi from varadero airport to havana as viazul bus didn’t run at the time we arrived. we’ve booked the taxi/car through the same person who booked the casa for us.

first night in havana

when we arrived in vedado, we met our casa owner and the agent who booked the casa for us. it was almost 11:00 pm so decided to go to nearby restaurant & eat something. our agent also joined us and showed a nearby good restaurant which wasn’t that expensive. we paid 25 cuc for 4 people for steak dinner, beer and juice. after that we decided to go to a club and see what it looks like. on the way we found a club called "club tropical" which is not very famous. so we decided to drop over and see how it looks. our agent talked to the door man and told them we just wanted to take a look inside. no problem. went inside and saw only 1 or 2 good looking chicas and lots of guys. club was in a small basement and it was full of smoke (we all don’t smoke). we decided to walk out as it didn’t look like a good atmosphere for us. went to our apartment and went to bed straight as we all were tired.

day 2 (monday)

food shopping

today we met our guide who was recommended by someone. we told him, we want to cook for our self so he took us to different market to buy different things. some we paid in local peso, some in cuc. we were there in a bad month as 2 hurricanes wiped out all the cultivation. in most of the market, we were only able to find sweet potatoes and tomatoes. since our guide knows where to look for, he was able to find what we wanted.

chicas for the day

we asked our guide to see if he knows any girls. he said no problem. he invited 3 girls (white 9/10, white 9/10 and white 7/10). the one i wanted looked like a pro. she was 9/10 slim, blond and gorgeous. our guide asked us to negotiate the price so we all went to our individual rooms. i asked mine how much and she said 65 cuc. i said no way and she wouldn’t go below 50 cuc. even though this was my first girl and desperate to get fucked, i kept in mind what the other members told me in this forum. i sticked with 30cuc and she said no. finally i asked 45 cuc for 2hrs, she didn’t want it. i said fuck off and told her to get out of the house. by that time, i knew she only cares about money and i won’t get any satisfaction at all. she asked for 5 cuc for taxi which i didn’t want to give it to her. since i didn’t want to get my guide into any trouble, i gave her the 5 cuc and asked her to get out. after she left, my guide arranged a mulatto for me. she was 8/10, slim, nice ass, attractive and tall. she took care of me as i’m her prince. i guess its well worth for sending the other ***** home. i gave her 30cuc and some gifts and she was very happy.

chicas for the night

later at night our owner told us, he knows some chicas too. we said bring them on. he invited 3 chicas (white 8/10, white 7/10 and mulatto 7/10). i took the mulatto and she gave me a great bbbj and a good fuck. when i took off my condom, i realized she had period. ew. anyways it was too late. i tried to finger her earlier but she didn’t let me. i should have suspected at that time. if i knew she had period, i wouldn’t have fucked her, maybe only asked for a bbbj. i negotiated for 25 cuc but she begged for 35 cuc. finally i gave her 35 cuc but it’s really worth it for her bbbj. keep in mind; i didn’t pay for club entrance fee, taxi or beer. i saved some money there. my other friends said they had the best time ever. i was happy for them even thought i was little disappointed with mine.

day 3 (tuesday)

more food shopping

we went for shopping for more food in the morning. our guide took us to different places where we can buy what we wanted. it was so hard to find the foods and i’m sure we would have only eaten sweet potato and tomato everyday if we didn’t have our guide. everything is controlled in cuba and it’s very hard to buy the foods you want, even if you have the money for it. we had to line up for few minutes to buy bread at a bakery. we got about 8 breads for 1 cuc (cheap) but i heard sometimes they control it so that each person can only get 1 bread. we were lucky on that day. also were able to find 10 lobster tails for 10 cuc (nice deal). if you go to restaurant, you will be paying more than 10 cuc for each tail.

chicas

later in the evening we decided to get some girls. my friend told me to invite the girl he had yesterday. he had a white one and i would rate her 9/10. she is skinny, short and nice ass. he said he had good time with her. hoping she would do the same, i invited her. she is a friend of the one i sent home yesterday. she thought we fought over money, so as soon as i entered the room she requested to put the money on the table. at that moment i suspected, it won’t go good. keeping that in mind, i asked to do bbbj which she refused. i was disappointed as i knew she did it for my friend. anyways she gave me a good bj. then she fucked me like no other. she didn’t sit on her knees; she just stayed balanced on her toes and gave me a nice fuck. i gave her 35 cuc as that’s what my friend paid earlier. keep in mind i took some gifts for girls but i didn’t give her any gift as she didn’t give me a bbbj. same day one of my other friend didn’t have a good time. they all had different girls 8/10 and 7/10. one of my friend was happy and the other one wasn’t.

day 4 (wednesday)

beach

woke up and went to beach (easter beach). our guide arranged the taxi but he didn’t come with us. taxi cost 16 cuc each way. beach wasn’t too crowded. as soon as we picked 2 chairs and umbrella, a guy came and asked for 6 cuc. he said if we buy something from the restaurant then it would be free, but we didn’t feel like eating or drinking anything, so we paid 6 cuc. stayed there for a while and then picked up our stuff and went further away from crowd. we stayed near some coconut trees where we had some coconut water and good swimming. it was private as nobody was around. then we came back to the same place as we were hungry. ordered lobster dinner (12 cuc each), coconut with rum and some beer. i would have to admit the food was good and worth 12 cuc as we all were full. while we were waiting for the food, we had a music band starting a conversation with us. they said they can find anything for us. including girls. while we were talking a mulatto came to us and said hi. she had big ass and nice tits but at that time, we weren’t really interested. she stayed by our place the whole time we were eating. we didn’t make any eye contact as we weren’t really interested. later we waited by a phone booth for one of our friends as he was buying some souvenirs. two black beauties came by and laughed at us and shown some interest. they did ask something in spanish which we didn’t understand. they pretended to be dialling the phone at the public phone booth for a while but since we didn’t show any interest, they left.

chicas

we came home and decided not to bring any girls as we were tired. later at night our owner said the girls we invited before called again asking if we are interested. i wasn’t in a mood but my friends asked him to invite their previous ones. as i didn’t want left alone, i said i’ll try a new one if they have one. he invited a chinese mix 7/10 for me. i had to say, she is the best i ever had. she gave me full gfe and done anything i’ve requested for. we negotiated the price for 30 cuc for short term but later i decided to keep her overnight as she was excellent. my friends sent their girls home after short term and i negotiated mine for 50 cuc for overnight and some gifts. we had good time overnight and she was not in a rush in the morning. i had to ask her to get up and sent her home around 11:00 am.

day 5 (thursday)

massage in havana

we went to a massage. yes a massage in havana. don’t be mistaken, this is nothing more than typical massage. lady is old (40’s) and she is professional massage therapist who works for government. she lives in a typical cuban house which is not that clean. i was little disappointed with that but other than that her massage was all right. i wouldn’t say it was very good. we paid 15 cuc for 40 min massage. i wasn’t interested but one of my friends wanted to try and that’s why we all went with him. i might have the contact info for massage and if anybody interested, pm me.

copellia ice cream and food

later we went to copellia ice cream near la rampa as we heard it’s very famous with locals. i wasn’t too impressed as it’s just typical ice cream. we ordered some cheese pizza near la rampa as we were vegetarian for that day. i got to say cheese sticks/bread in canada is way better than their pizza. but again i have to admit we didn’t go to cuba for food and we all know how bad the food in cuba. i’m not complaining about it but i’m advising the first timers to be ready for it. i found ham and cheese sandwiches are better than pizza or other typical food.

no chicas today

again we did get calls from previous girls, but we said we are busy and wasn’t interested for the night. we decided to not to take a chicas today as we were all tired walking and having relaxed massage. we just came home cooked dinner and ate. straight to bed.

day 6 (friday)

booking viazul bus

we all left home to book viazul bus to return to airport on sunday. later we found out we could have done that through phone. they will just write down you name on a sheet. you can only buy ticket 1hr prior to departure. look at viazul website for contact info. it’s always good to book in advance as they might try to get some bribe if you go couple of minutes before departure. i’ve seen a guy asking for seats which they said they don’t have any. but our bus went only half full.

picked up 3 chicas on the street

anyways while we were waiting for flag a taxi, we saw 3 cute chicas passing us (white 8/10, chinese mix 9/10 & mulatto 9/10). we later realized they are the same chicas we whistled at when they went past our apartment earlier. at that time they didn’t even look back. back to story. asked our guide to call them and ask them if they are interested in joining us. he followed them and told our interest. no problem, we exchanged number and asked them to come around 6:00 pm.

taxi scam

finally got a taxi to go to viazul, at the same time our owner who went for shopping came back. told him we are going out will be back. at the same time we forgot to monitor the taxi meter. we were too busy talking about the girls that we saw. when we reached our destination, taxi driver asked for 7 cuc. we knew it wasn’t that far and looked at the meter, he didn’t turn it on. didn’t have any choice, gave him 7 cuc. guys. always make sure the taxi meter is turned on. after we booked our seat we decided to take a bus tour of havana. took a taxi to revolution square and this time made sure the meter is running.

havana tour

we heard havana has tour buses which started only couple of months ago. there are 3 routes – t1, t2 & t3. you only pay 5 cuc for all 3 tours and you can use that pass as many times as you want during that day. first we took the t1 route to see old havana, central havana, malecon, central park and harbour etc. it was a double decked bus with top part open. i got to say it was well worth 5 cuc tour. we took lots of pictures. we saw a good looking chica in central park. she laughed at us and shown some interest but it was too crowded and too much police. while we were on the tour bus, we saw the same 3 girls (we suppose to meet tonight) near malecon. they were too excited than we were. they shouted and waved hands at us. they also said something in spanish and showed 6 fingers. we figured out. they wanted to see us at 6:00 as we scheduled.

anyways, after our t1 tour, we took t2 tour with same ticket. it was so boring and nothing to see. it’s a normal bus which takes you to marina hemingway through miramar. i wouldn’t recommend this t2 tour for anybody. we didn’t take t3 as we didn’t have much time. i heard t3 will take you to playas del este (eastern beaches). if you want to save money going to beach and seeing old havana then this is the best bang for bucks.

chicas

we came home and took a bath. meanwhile our guide called the 3 chicas we suppose to meet. they all came home. mine looked less than 18 yrs, so the owner wanted to see the id. keep in mind all this time he never asked for any ids from any of the previous girls. when he checked the id, she just turned 18. thank god. we negotiated for 30 cuc and some gift. she was a rookie and got tired too quickly. she kept on asking if i’m gonna cum soon: p i asked to fuck her ass and she told me it’s possible if i call her again. i knew it’s impossible as she was screaming in pain when i fucked her in the pussy. it was the tightest & beautiful pussy i ever fucked. unfortunately one of the girl we saw before didn’t come with them as she live farther away. myfriend was disappointed. they did bring another friend with them but my friend wasn’t attracted to her. he decided to give her 5 cuc and some gift as he doesn’t want to disappoint her. my 2nd friend had the best time as well. after fuck, they all eat leftover food we had. if they didn’t eat, it would have gone into the garbage. so we felt good about it. they all were curious to come back next day, especially mine. we told them we will call back, which we never did.

local restaurant

after all the girls left, our guide said he know some good local restaurant where we can pay in local peso. we invited our owner as well. we all had pizza, spaggati, sandwich, ice cream and espresso for about 5 cuc (100 peso). beer and juice were in cuc. i had to agree the pizza were much better than the one we had for cuc. this place is kind of tricky as if you stay in patio, you pay everything in cuc but if you go inside the restaurant, you pay in local peso.

day 7 (sunday)

my friend fucked a b’day girl

it was a birthday to one of the girl my friend fucked before. we asked our owner to invite her in the morning, so we can give some gift and later invite for night. our plan was to invite her for the night and cut a piece of cake to surprise her. we have already booked her friends for the night so we thought it would be good to throw a party on our last night. unfortunately birthday girl couldn’t join us as she had to join her family party. she came in the morning and wanted to make out with my friend. he wasn’t really interested as he just woke up. she kept on asking me to tell my friend to come to bed with her. finally she brought the mood for him and they both went into the room. later my friend told me he only paid 20 cuc for her.

chicas for the night

i invited the chinese mix girl for overnight again. my other friend invited his white girl again for overnight. now we were left without a girl for one of my friend. we had enough girls available to come but he was so picky. we tried the girl he missed earlier (the one who lived far away) but she wasn’t available. thinking we can arrange something later, we went out to buy some beer and water. as soon as we walked out, we saw 2 mulattos passing by. one of them was extremely hot (maybe 10/10) and our guide knows her from somewhere. while he was having a small chat with her, we all decided to get her into bed. we told our interest to our guide and he called her and talked to her. no problem again. since one of my friends left without a girl for the night and we all wanted to have the best time for the last night, we decided to arrange her for my friend. we even thought about me and my other friend having her for the evening and later pass her on to my friend for the night. she was that hot. but my friend wasn’t happy about it, so we dropped that plan. later my friend told me he gave 40 cuc for the whole night + some gifts. he told me he had the best time which he can remember for his life. she was a rookie and gave nice gfe. she even left a bite mark in my friend’s throat to remember her. in the morning we all had to wake them up and send them home as we were suppose to catch our bus to airport. we all left happy and that’s how our story end in havana.

keep in mind, we never went to any clubs/discos to pick up girls, although we thought about it couple of times. we saved lots of money on that and avoided any police hassles. all most all the girls we had are non-pros and i can imagine we would have only picked the pros if we went to clubs. we saved on taxi, drinks and entrance fee which range from $10. $35. i did found some girls through badoo.com and other sites. i promised them to call when i arrive in havana but since we had much good looking girls when we wanted, i didn’t bother calling them. if you find a girl online then you don’t know what to expect as they might be students or not into dating. you might have to spend some time with them before you take them to bed, which is ok if you are staying in havana for 3 weeks. but if you want to go to bed straight and don’t have much time to fool around, then i wouldn’t recommend you to find girls online.

ready to face this

there are few obstacles you should expect when travelling to cuba. i would recommend you to be ready to face them. nothing is perfect in this world so you have to adjust /adapt to it. first of all, there is too much pollution. even thought i like the old cars, i hate the smoke that comes out it. for the first few days, i felt some pain in my throat. i took shower 3 or 4 times a day thinking it was the hot weather but later found out it’s the pollution i’m not used to. anyways after few days, i got use to it. no big deal.

second, there are scams everywhere. you should know it’s a third world country and people will try to get every penny out of you. if you be careful then i guess you should be ok. i don’t mind giving money to poor people but hate when someone tries to cheat me. we actually took some pen, pencil, rubbers and clothes for needed people. we wanted to make our vacation something meaningful and help poor people but at the same time we were careful with the people who tried to cheat us. i had to admit we were cheated 1 or 2 times (eg: taxi driver without meter) but it’s all an experience. since it was our first time, we didn’t know all the scams, now we know and that’s what i wanted to share with you.

tips on saving money:.if you are travelling through varadero, take viazul bus. you can check the schedule online and book the flight according to it. if your flight was delayed, then you will be left to rent a car or take a taxi..if you want to go to beach or look around havana, then take the tour bus for 5 cuc. most of the tour buses will come near a hotel and you can take that and connect to other routes as you wish. t1, t2 or t3.you will save some money if you cook for yourself. when we were there it was hard to find what we needed as two hurricanes wiped everything..learn some spanish or take a spanish translator (pda, phone and etc) with you. there is tons of spanish translation software available for your pda or phone..better to find chicas on the street and negotiate than going to clubs and finding chicas there..exchange money at the bank than at the airport. if you do exchange at the airport triple checks your money..if you don’t feel like cooking for yourself, then find local peso restaurant and eat there..please does your best research before you go!

i’m really sorry that i can’t share my casa info or guide info with you. i’m not being selfish but i want to protect those people. i don’t want anybody to miss-use them or send them to jail. i do respect them and more care about their privacy. i also promised not to share the info without their knowledge. if i’m selfish then i won’t be writing this review. i’m happy to answer any other questions you have and help you out with other info. but please do not ask for casa or guide info. i do have some word documents of clubs, chica pick up places and restaurants which i found through my own research. i’m happy to share that info with you.

final thought: please do not hike up the prices for chicas. there are lots of pussies available and you can always find the one for the price you want. i came to know monthly salary for a policeman or doctor (who make above average salary in cuba) is around 800 peso/30 cuc. so keep that in mind.

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[Robert Downey Jr]

GTA Guy,

I enjoyed reading your report, very informative, thanks.

[PincheCabron]

Nice report and sounds about right. Sounds like you guys did ok considering you didn't speak spanish and first timers in the island. Leaving the clubs for italians who fork out $100 cucs for pros was your best move. I told myself I would never go through that hassle with changing money at the airport again and kept some CUCs for next time just to get me out of the airport.

[El Rey De Pollo]

GTA,

Nice report. I am sure any first timer can learn from it. Thanks for your stories - although I can't agree with all of it (like taxis and meters - it's much cheaper to just negotiate the price before heading there).

Something I don't really understand. Sounds like you guys had a 24 hour guide around you?

Your advice to other non-speaking first timers about not going to clubs, but picking up in the street: That may be very difficult for some non-spanish speaking first timer who do not have a guide to do the talking.

But all in all. Great contribution.

[Mario Rossi 51]

El Cubanito,

Sorry, I read you answer right now. Please take information for me. She is mulata, tall around 170, slim. I'm waiting.

Thanks


I am going to be in Cuba in August. I will try and find this girl for you. Just one question, was she 20 years old when you met her? if that was the case then how old is he now.

Buddy, I will look for her an dlet you know. When I am down in Cuba.

I know the guy that works the girls around Salon Rojo. I will ask him and he will tell me if she work that area.

El Cubanito

[Gta Guy]

Hi Travelling Gring,

Thanks for the comments. I'm not sure if you are mistaken my taxi experience as I was travelling to airport. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that. That taxi experience only happend once and this is when I travelled within Havana. If you are still talking about local taxi then I've taken lots of them before and exprienced this problem only once because of our careless. I wasn't aware that we can negotiate the price on metered taxi. If so it's good to know. I guess you can negotiate the price in advance if you are travelling to some known place (then you know exactly how far it is and how much it would cost). Most of the places we went, it was first time for our guide too. That's why we went with meter. We did travel on the shared taxi (old car which locals mostly use) once after we negotiated the price. We needed a taxi for 5 people for short distance so we thought the local taxi would be good option to save money. I had to admit I didn't like it for many reasons.

I agree it would be hard to pick up girls on the street for non-spanish speaking, first timers without guide. However, we were attracted by locals offering anything we want. They ment girls. Some locals who know some English always started converstation with us and later said they can arrange some girls for us. So "pimps" (I don't know if I can call them that) will find you and you don't have to go looking for them. Still you can't trust all of them as some of them will try to cheat you. But there are possibilities to pick up chicas on the street. My another 2 friends who went in May picked up chicas with the help of some locals (who knew few English). Those locals weren't pimps, they used the locals as translators to pick up chicas on the street. They didn't cheat my friends and in return my friends offered gifts or money. I found through my research most of the clubs are ruined by Europeans. They jacked up the prices for girls in the clubs. By avoiding clubs, you will save the enterance fee ($5-$35), expensive drinks, taxi money and police hustle.

I'm happy to get some feed back from different people. It's a great feeling to share what I know.

Season's Greetings to everyone.

"Happiness is not so much in having as sharing. We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give." by Norman MacEwan


GTA,

Nice report. I am sure any first timer can learn from it. Thanks for your stories - although I can't agree with all of it (like taxis and meters - it's much cheaper to just negotiate the price before heading there).

Something I don't really understand. Sounds like you guys had a 24 hour guide around you?

Your advice to other non-speaking first timers about not going to clubs, but picking up in the street: That may be very difficult for some non-spanish speaking first timer who do not have a guide to do the talking.

But all in all. Great contribution.

[El Rey De Pollo]

I wasn't aware that we can negotiate the price on metered taxi. If so it's good to know. I guess you can negotiate the price in advance if you are travelling to some known place (then you know exactly how far it is and how much it would cost).

I've never been in a taxi with the meter running in Havana. Of course, you gotta know the city to negotiate fare in advance, that's true, but if you know where you're going it's the best way. I go from Nacional to Parque Central for 2 cuc. Not happening with the meter on.


Those locals weren't pimps, they used the locals as translators to pick up chicas on the street. They didn't cheat my friends and in return my friends offered gifts or money.

ALL cubanos are pimps! :-) Try and walk down the Malecón on a Saturday night and ask the first 500 dudes between 15 and 45 if they can hook you up with a girl... I never ever ever use any chulo or semi-chulo on the street. Makes me feel sick to my stomach just the thought of a girl beeing brought to me. But hey that's just me. The way things have developed in Cuba the last 4-5 years, I don't think people who don't speak Spanish have any alternative to pimps.


I found through my research most of the clubs are ruined by Europeans. They jacked up the prices for girls in the clubs. By avoiding clubs, you will save the enterance fee ($5-$35), expensive drinks, taxi money and police hustle.

Hey, I'm European. What you meant to write was 'ruined by Italians'. It's a continent over here. That's like calling all canadians 'Americans'. But yes, you are right. Italians have made the clubs into expensive *****houses with worn-out bitches with bad attitudes. Unfortunately, for many people the clubs are the only place where they can meet and talk to girls in Havana - apart from using pimps of course.

[Baudelairemod]

Hey Guys!

I know that Italians have ruined most wonderful places of mongering and not only. I know it and have experienced it all over the world.

But please let's say "most of the Italians" instead of "the Italians". I'm from Italy but never paid a girl more that 40 $! Never went in clubs to find girls and I don't pick up ugly chicks off course! I'm in my mid twentis and still very exigent in that field...
That was off course a semi-serious request. Just you know guys that Italians aren't all pigs and stupid persons...but actually in mongering and hunt girls most of them do!

It's the same if we think that all U.S guys are blond, fat and pro-Bush!

World is so beautiful because persons are so different, don't you think so?