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tman777,
I will be staying at the Luxor Regente next Monday. What is the name of the bellman that has the book?
Cambodia Pro
03-09-03, 21:14
Originally posted by esdude
Planning on going to Rio for the first time this May, and after going through this board for past few months, I still have a couple of questions:
1. I'm thinking about staying at the Rio Othon (because of its location and amenities). I've heard conflicting reports on this, so does anyone specifically know whether the hotel is girl-friendly? Also does anyone know any of the higher-end hotels that are girl-friendly?
2. I know that everyone recommends going to the ATMs to take out cash, but do the Rio ATMs act like a real ATM where you can take money out of your bank account, or are you limited to taking money out of your credit card account via a cash advance?
Thanks in advance to any seasoned vets that can assist.
esdude,
All five start hotels in Rio are girl unfriendly. I say boycott the motherfuk*rs. Stay in a three star hotels, and you will not have any problems. try the Debret(in front of help disco), or any other three star hotels, ask them directly if they are girl friendly, no need to be shy, if they say no, move on. Many hotels there or the hobby.
For ATM , the one in blockbusters is a real ATM. Takes it out of your check account.
Good luck, and wear condoms, so you don't bring anything extra back.
Esdude..... Yes, the ATM's act the same as your ATM's back home however, you should note that many of the Brazillian ATM's wouldn't work with American ATM cards. The only one that ALWAYS worked was the Citibank ATM next to the Blockbuster on Ave. Copacabana. Just ask anyone where the Citibank ATM is and they can direct you. I NEVER use a credit card at an ATM machine. The fees are extremely high and you should never do this unless it's an emergency.
Guys, definitely bring some cash down with you. I can't understand why guys wouldn't allow for emergencies and bring down a few hundreds dollars. As I posted in my long report from January, we ran into a guy that came down to Rio with virtually no cash and no ATM card. Only one Visa card with NO PIN #. He was lucky he ran into my friends who helped him. Bring some cash down with you!
Remember, almost all of the termas accept credit cards which is awesome. Remember though that they charge a little extra. Places like L'Uomo charges R$10 PER GIRL. So if you do 3 girls you'll have to pay R$30 so use your judgement if it's worth it or not.
Regarding Help Disco, you should note that the girls will always start out high. Negotiate or be willing to walk away. Also, you should remember that the girls here are the same as everywhere else in the world. If a girl doesn't want to leave with you she'll throw out some high number and stick with it. I know several girls that work in Help and they all tell me if they come across a guy they just do NOT want to sleep with they will throw up some high number and stick with it. It's their way of saying "get lost" without saying it.
I'm going down there for a short trip next week and wanted to find an apartment but most of the good ones are taken already. I booked at the Deberet but you guys should note that even if you register as a double room you still must pay the garota fee. The Deberet is quoting R$50 each and every time you bring a girl up. I argued with the guy a little and asked who in the hell would pay extra for a double room if they still have to pay the fee. (Case in point. An ocean view Suite is R$226 vs. a double price of R$272).
The guy told me that guys that are bringing their wife could register for a double room. I told the guy, "who in the hell brings their wife to Rio!!!!". He just laughed and said it's still R$50 extra per time. So definitely book a single room if you stay here.
A few of us might actually stay 24 hours at VIP's even though they rent by 8 hours at a time. We'll just have to pay 3X the going rate. I'll post when I return.
Life is good.
As usual Saint is on point. The ATM situation in Brazil in general has improved over the past few years, for Americans at least. Besides the Citibank locations (at Blockbuster and one in Ipanema), I have been able to get cash at HSBC and most machines labeled "banco24horas". There is one about one block towards Leme from the Blockbuster. Good to know about when the line at Citibank is 6 deep, or the machine is out of order. There is also one inside the Sendas supermarket on Ave Copacabana not far from Rua Santa Clara. Avoid Bradesco, Banco Real, and Itau locations, they seem to be inaccessible to international cards.
The five star hotel situation seems to vary. I've heard consistently that the Othon is completely unfriendly. The Marriott will let you register a 'guest', but I've never registered more than one during a visit (it's also very expensive). I've been told the Copacabana Palace is also nearly impossible, but haven't stayed there.
Thunderthrust
03-10-03, 00:13
Surfer, much of what you say is fair comment, and you will recall that I did caveat my comments by accepting that to an extent I was generalising, as I have met some cracking people from the USA. However, if you don't take my point then the question begs, why do you tend to frequent places where other Americans don't?
Certainly in some parts of the world, Brits have the Monopoly on loutish behavoiour (particularly the English) and no doubt Rio would be no different if more of them went there, which I hope to God will not happen.
On the issue of fashion, come on now, evn we re not that bad. You will note that there has already been one post from an American conceeding the point and attempting to justify (and I quote from the post) the "ridiculous" clothing by saying that it distinguishes the Americanos from the locals!
Cheers for the info re Help exchanging currency.
For any of you that are Platinum Citibank AAdvantage cardholders you can fly to Rio, Sao Paulo or Santiago, Chile from April 1st - May 31st) for only 32,500 miles instead of 40,000 miles on American.
Citibank has these awards every quarter for various locations. It's a great deal. If you're not a member you should consider it. You can get 7,500 miles by signing up. I'll provide the link below but they haven't updated the next quarter yet.
http://www.citibank.com/us/cards/cardserv/worldcard/globe/globe.htm
Here are some other cities in this promotion this next quarter:
22,500 miles: Acapulco, Mexico; Montego Bay, Jamaica; Trinidad & Tobago; St. Croix, Virgin Islands
27,500 miles: DFW to Honolulu, HI; DFW to Maui, HI
52,500 miles: Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Santiago, Chile (from June 1 - June 30)
Hey Saint, I know on apartment on Ave Copacabana just around corner from Debret for $35 per night where I stayed over Carnaval. Free DSL, fridge & aircon in room, large balcony. I can have the owner emnail you pics if you wish. Best thing is no R50 fee per girl (which costs more than the room if you do a dupla plus another solo garota!)
Also, the ATM at BBV on Ave Copacabana near Xavier dasilva takes US ATM cards, as does HSBC further up Ave Copacabana towards Vlockbuster across from the big churrascaria.
Hey Surfer. Yeah, if you could email me or have the owner email me that would be great. I'm only there a short time though. Thanks in advance.
Saint
saintofba@aol.com
Trippleecks
03-10-03, 15:00
I know about that apartment Surfer and if you like having to walk outside onto the patio to enter and exit your bedroom it's fine. I for one would rather just stay in a Hotel. It does however come with a roommate that like to go to sleep early and share all the women you have over.
Hey surfer,
How are you? Can you please email me with info on that apartment as well. THANKS VERY MUCH SIR!!
Chris
christopher.a.wilson@verizon.net
irmăos! (brothers)
i just completed my first trip to rio for carnaval, 8 awesome days and 7 glorious nights. after reading all the posts from the last week or so please indulge my replies and my own report. i have always advocated knowing what you want from a garote and acting accordingly. soooooooooo away we go! one side note before i start, no matter how much posters here tell everyone how great rio is, assume every word is an understatement! i read every post on this and other forums for a year, have spent time in 4 european countries, hawaii, and 27 us states, and none of that was even close to rio! wow! imagine being in a disco and the most bonita woman you see in the club is talking to you, over her shoulder halle berry's twin winks at you and walks by. later on the way to the bathroom a supermodel pinches you on the butt and laughs over her shoulder as she walks away. this is the danceria scene in rio during carnaval!
on the subject of fashion: most touristas wear bermuda shorts and sandals, cool for the street or the beach, but in help or the other dancerias you are automatically a john, mark, or whatever term you want to use for a payer - not a player. now i paid as well lets not get on that thread. but the garotes asked to come back and show me other non tourista venues,gratis - sometimes for the night. well please allow me to start at the beginning. me and mi amigo met 2 sisters (real sisters as well as sistahs if ya get the american slang) on the beach sunday afternoon, we talk, we go across the street (maxims) for cool drinks and a light dinner. later that evening it was back to our apt for mucho sexo. next morning we asked them if they would like to go to the sambadromo. they are happy about this and we set a time for them to come back. after us boys get several hours of rest and eat, clean up, and make a run to the mercado for food and rum we notice that a "flag" has been planted in our apt, a pair of red thong panties is hung up in the bathroom above the shower. hmmmm - we all 4 go to the sambadrome and let the girls show us where the caracos (sp?) go in. they got us a good deal from a guy selling group discount tickets and he escorted us through the streets to the gate and we had a blast. they came back without being asked tuesday night and after some serious sexo they had to go home as they a babysitter deadline of midnight, i was asked only for $r30 for taxi. when i said i was going to help for the balle, my girl picked out my clothes saying that the tourista look was looked down upon in the clubs, her only request was to not bring any garotes back here. i went dressed all in black -a sort of johnny cash in a mock turtleneck. and i was pinched on the ass, had it grabbed, and touched on the arm all night. one chica blew in my ear while i was trying to get another tequila. on the other hand i met 2 american guys who were dressed in shorts and sandals who were about to leave because they could not get much interest from the really pretty girls. guys if you are reading this, did you go home with the girls i intro'd you too? i had to leave the girl dressed like a moto policia when jlos younger sister winked at me as i was leaving the dance floor. we danced, she took me upstairs, we danced there, drank, and about 6:30 - am - of course ;) she asked if i would take her to my apt for amore. $r 250 - i was complimentary but declined - $r150? damn she was hot and i was ready, but said lets dance one more, $r100! okay lets go! after one incredible multi position round of sexo i am chilled but after 15 minutes or so she wants to go again, i am slow getting started (not 25 anymore)and so when i get stuck at half mast i reach for the lotion to speed the process, she sees me applying lotion, laughs, turns that great ass to me on her knees and spreads the cheeks so i can see her uhhhhhhhh winking at me. ready for action now! the anal was awesome!!! we slept, woke, did a very rough quickie (the rough was her choice) and she went to take a shower. she came out mad! see you really couldn't notice the panties flag from the toilet but in the shower you can't help but see them looking up. i speak spanish and had an english/portuguesse translation book but she lost me here. she got dressed quick, i gave her the 100 and tried to be nice but she pointed to the panties, grabbed my crotch and said ciao. viva la help!
Shorter post this time - overview one might say.
Buy a phrase book and it will pay dividends. If you speak Spanish or French you can get by fairly well, a lot of the slang is Spanish.
I spent 5 of my 7 nights with the woman I meet on the beach, it was our Romance De Carnival you might say. We went to dinner several times, shopping at Rio Sul Mall once, one day of sightseeing - cable car up Sugarloaf mountain - Christo - local drug lords house (from the street of course)and as mentioned Carnaval parades. She didn't charge after the first night but I slipped her a nice pile of Reals on the last night. She is a hairdresser from the country and comes into Rio for Carnaval and New Years to augment her income by about 25% for the year. She told me a lot of girls do the same thing, so fellas be nice to them show them around in public and do the right thing cash wise (R$ 100 per night is fair - however if you are looking for one night only expect to pay 150 or more, depending on you and her and whatever) and you can have an incredible week. She did my laundry, dishes, and cab rides went from $R 30 - 50 to $R 5 - 7.50! Being a dog however on the nights she was not there I had a night with JLOs little sister (you know I am talking looks not for real, right?) and a gorgeous little 19 year old I met at Franks -ya GOTTA go to Franks once to believe it!- who I took to a`love motel and found out she was psyco! truly a trippy night. Scary girl. Also met a woman on the street on afternoon who went to another love motel for $R100 and 75 for the room. THANK YOU RIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am going again next year
Travlr: Appreciate your posts, and don't mean to quibble with your point about dressing well (I TOTALLY agree), but HELP is VERY strict about not letting guys in with shorts so I must question the accuracy of your report about the two Americans in shorts complaining about not getting any attention.
NOddN: You are correct, but his early hours did not stop me from late night LOUD partying & he never complained about it. Also, I got many girls which he had arranged (sdhared a couple but kept most to myself), NEVER viceversa.
As for the two gents interested in the apartment, I will email him to check this board ASAP & email you guys the details. I am no middleman but just passing along some info.
BlameItOnMo
03-11-03, 04:12
1. As for shorts at help, they were allowed during Carnival. I saw a few guys wearing shorts walking around. HELP was also charging R$40 to get in, but it's now down to R$15 before midnight. The going rate for girls at this time seemed to be around R$200 for a short night.
2. The Rio Orthon is not what you call girl friendly because during Carnival they were charging R$100 to take a girl up to your room. That place is far from a 5 star hotel by the way. Luckilly I was in an apartment 2 blocks away.
3. The Citibank ATM (as well as most other ATMs) were ALWAYS empty during carnival. Someone posted a while back that American Express Traveler's Checks weren't a very good idea, but in some Hotels like the Rio Orthon would change them if you were a guest. The American Express office in front of the Copacabana Palace also changes them (if you don't mind waiting in an unaircondioned room for an hour or so <smile>.)
Ola!
Well, for all intents & purposes, here's my Carnaval report:
In terms of sexo, I didn't do as much as I wanted. It was largely due to a bad experience I had my first night there. Some sage advice (I suppose you can use this in life as well as in sex): If anyone has to brag to you about how great they are, they're not. Even after showering, she smelled like she shoved a burrito in her which had died an unsavory death the month before. She was also so loose it was like tossing Tic Tacs down a hallway.
Next time I go to Rio, I'm going solo. I went with a couple of friends this time around, and lost a few blue-diamond opportunities because of it. Nearly every night was spent at the Terraco Atlantico outside of Help. Finding nice (professional) girls there is like finding water in the ocean. :) You can sit there like chipped paint and you'll get swamped. Heck, I'm nothing special (my nick actually means I'm looking, rather than being vain), and garotas were doing everything from winking to sampling my salivary enzymes.
While it took me a bit to get behind the logic, the girls there are all trying to make a living. Most of the Help girls I encountered asked for US$100, and would not negotiate. That was frustrating. If anyone can recommend any quick negotiation techniques, I'd be seriously grateful, heh.
Otherwise, my presently introspective tone belies the fact that Rio is one seriously amazing city, as I mentioned in my previous post. Carnaval at the Sambadrome makes Disney's Electric Street Parade look like Ritalin Romper Room.
The cariocas are genuinely nice, and the perpetual paranoia perpetrated by the media about the dangers is overstated. Heck, even here in the San Francisco Bay Area, there are places people simply don't go, just like the favelas of Rio. You won't find me partying in East Palo Alto or traipsing through the Tenderloin.
Ah well, enough said. And I, too, found at least three guys in Help sporting shorts ... and those corny baggy denim ones, at that!
Later. :)
I don't know the name of the Bellman at the Luxor, but my guess is they all have the same information about available garotas. Remember--get an ocean front room and have a great time. There's also a really nice rooftop bar and pool.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lookr
. She was also so loose it was like tossing Tic Tacs down a hallway.
Thanks for the laugh man, good report. She sounds like a girl I let talk me into paying double for anal in Mexico last fall. Upon entry doggie style, I said hey you are cheating me you said the ass and this is loose P@##y! She got mad and started calling me a bastard and worse, I looked close and it WAS the ass! Sloppy sloppy sloppy - I was so freaked I wilted immediately and left feeling dirty and $40 poorer.
While it took me a bit to get behind the logic, the girls there are all trying to make a living. Most of the Help girls I encountered asked for US$100, and would not negotiate. That was frustrating. If anyone can recommend any quick negotiation techniques, I'd be seriously grateful, heh.
Only the ability to walk away Mi Amigo, And it helps if you speak Spanish - Portuguesse would be truly awesome for negotiations
Travlr,
If you have the will power to make it an entire year before you go back you are a VERY strong guy. Thanks for the nice report. I'm going back down next week. It will be my third time in 3 months. Rio is the devil's playground. It's the easiest place to get laid in the world. A blind, deaf, mute guy with one leg and 3 eyes could get laid by a hottie in Rio.
Help truly is a unique place. It's a shame I probably can't go there this trip because my novia works there and I'm not telling her I'm going to Rio for the long weekend. Oops... but I don't want to create problems before she comes to my house the following week.
Guys, do NOT pay US Dollars in Rio. Always pay with local currency! Pay REAL's. The hottest Help girls will always demand more and probably be able to get it but try to negotiate. Learn some Portuguese before you go down. At least get the numbers down. I'll post a report when I get back.
Good luck all.
Saint
...F-in funny, guys. As for getting a cheaper date --
(I hit return instead of tab) ...ALWAYS PAY IN REALS. As for quality control (in Rio), only date the simple chicks. They all can be beatiful, but what you want to avoid is the girl who dresses like a vamp and gives head to your beer bottle as she takes it from your hand in the the middle of the dance floor.
Guaranteed: That chick will be sooooo loose she'll be like fuckin' a warm glass of water.
'Nuff said.
P.S. Act like you have a rock-star's ADD (Attention Deficeit Syndrome) when talking to chicks. You know -- shamelessly check out other garotas WHILE
...Fuck I'm drunk... WHILE you're negotiating with your present garota. You can negotiate anywhere, anytime. By the time she states her price, you should already have let her know in som many ways that you're a cocksman and not to b trifled with.
Beautiful girls -- I love them.
This is JWadd shoutin' out from San Fran. I'll be Rio-bound in November for 2.5 months if the terrorists don't fuck my sex vacation up. If they do, I'm enlisting!!
JW
JWadd!
You da man! Hilarious! :D Shoot, I should've gotten that advice earlier. It would have saved me a lot of trouble. If these girls can rake in an average monthly Brazilian salary in a few nights, then I should definitely live up to my nick-namesake.
-- lookr
Travlr & Jwadd: We should organize a Rio Lovers club here in San Francisco to share photos & stories when we can't be in Rio to ease the "awaysickness". Seriously, I have TONS of digital pictures and can email you guys some if you post youir email addresses or email me at XTNsurfer@hotmail.com. I post full reports with pictures on two paysites, TSMtravel.com & XtremeTravel.net. I will post edited versions here but without the pictures.
Re Shorts at HELP: I generally prefer more soft core girls than can be found at HELP & Terraco Atlantico so only went there a couple times. I guess it was a day or two before Carnaval (admission was still the standard R15 before midnight) proper, but I PERSONALLY saw the bouncer refuse entry to sevceral people in shorts including an American couple who complained that they were kept out while garotas wearing "less" were let in! LOL! I was SO busy during Carnaval proper I never made it down there even though I stayed only a couple blocks away. Not criticisizing ANYBODY, but HELP is more for newbies and those who cannot speak ANY Portugese (not that mine is great but I can get by with a mix of my Spanisah skills and some Portugese learned while traveling and on Pimselur).
Carnaval Part 1-Overview & the Red & Black Ball
WARNING: NO Info on where to find garotas de programma in this report!
NOBODY parties like the Brazilians, NOBODY! Other nationalities have their fun events, for sure, but the unassailable fact about Brazilians and their inbred proclivity for partying is SO beyond “reasonable dispute” that any court would gladly take “judicial notice” of it as UNDISPUTED FACT. While I had a great time on my first trip to Brasil in 1989, and never once had to “pay for it” due to numerous introductions to the friends of the girlfriends of Brazilian surfers I had befriended in Peru, I first really experienced the fundamental Brasilero concepts of festa (party) & felicidadje (happiness) when the World Cup (quadrennial World soccer championship to those isolated Americans who don’t know) was held here in the country where soccer is least well known during 1994. I attended almost every game played by the selecao nacional (the Brazilian national team), including the Final at the Rose bowl in Pasadena finally won on “penalty kicks” after the disgraceful, STRICTLY defensive strategy employed by the Azzuri (the Italians) resulted in a scoreless draw after the 90 minutes of regulation time AND 2 overtime periods. Love their food, HATE their style of soccer (it’s like those teams who ALWAYS walk Barry Bonds!)
But while I like international soccer, I LOVED the post game samba line where the entourage of Brazil fans would sing and dance for MANY hours after the game chanting the ubiquitous “Ole, ole, ole, Brasil, Brasil.” Much touching and sexy dancing by garotas was an irresistible part of the equation. Pardon the digression, but the relevant point is that ANYWHERE large groups of Brasileros congregate, a fun party is likely to break out. So if you happen to be in Europe during the summer of 2006, when the next World Cup will be contested, by all means catch a game involving Brasil and the after-party.
“Carnaval” (the native spelling which is different than the cruise line or the Anglo term for a company traveling from town to town offering a bunch of kids rides etc) occurs every year during the last 4 days immediately preceding Ash Wednesday. While New Orleans has its “Mardi Gras” & other cities have their own equivalents, Carioca Carnaval (in Rio) sets the standards by which all others are measured. Some say Salvador’s version is “less touristy & commercial”, which may well be true, but the overwhelming consensus of the glitterati is that those four days in Rio are “the greatest show on Earth” (no offense to Barnum & Bailey’s touring circus which has usurped that moniker here in the US.).
The term “Carnaval” is thought to have originated from the Latin phrase “goodby meat” (Carne is meat and vale goodbye), because “good Catholics” (while most Brazilians are nominally Catholic, VERY few are devout or even observant) are supposed to abstain from meat and other pleasures of the flesh for a month starting on Ash Wednesday. So the idea was that before giving up these pleasures during the long month of privation, you ought to have a Bachanalian feast of excess and debauchery to get it out of your system. While I tend to think that there is currently VERY little of the piety and sacrifice during the month starting on Ash Wednesday envisioned by the clergy, if there EVER was much, the Cariocas’ zest to celebrate remains undiminished.
By the by, the origin of the term “Carioca” (which all mongers SHOULD know refers to the people of Rio de Janeiro state) is thought to have been an Indian word meaning “house of the Whites” and referred to the area where the first Europeans settled in the area near what is nowadays called Flamengo. And my final point of name etimyology (sp?) involves the name “Brasil”, which came into use because the original indigenous resource (LONG before sugar, rubber, coffee or garotas de programma) which the Europeans sought from the vast area now called “Brasil” was the “Brazilwood” tree. Rather than calling it the cumbersome “Land of the Brazilwood tree”, they coined that magical name that rolls off the tongue just so, BRA-sil.
Now people decry Carnaval in Rio because of tripling of hotel rates, huge crowds, cashless ATMs, closed termas, hordes of garotas de programma leaving town on family vacations, of HELP garotas asking for US$100 and refusing to negotiate, increased criminal activity/thievery and other assorted problems associated with this magical time of excess when inhibitions are temporarily shelved. Others say it is not as wild as it used to be, and I believe this to be partly true as AIDS awareness and the globalization of feminazidom have taken their toll on the hedonisitic tendencies of the Cariocas. In days of old, one read & heard stories of public fornication, of society women giving themselves to beggars, of debauchery beyond your wildest imagination (and some XTNers have pretty wild imaginations!). I say there are plenty of excuses for missing the greatest show on Earth and NONE of them is worth a rat’s ass. I know I speak for youngtom in saying HE will be back for Carnaval next year, and I sure as hell hope I will be there too! For while Rio at anytime of year is the World’s most vibrant and electric city (Bangkok, Jakarta, Manila, Cartagena and others may offer more sexual options for less money, but ANYBODY who has been to Rio will tell you that as a city it is nonpareul (sp? “Without equal” in French). The “buzz” during Carnaval cannot be described, but it SURE can be felt by those lucky enough to experience it at least once in their lives. As an avowed and unapologetic hedonist and monger, I must confess that after attending Carnaval this year I finally feel “complete” (and NO that does NOT mean I want to take it in the rear which is the implication of that term in Brazilian Portugese!)
The Three Types of Carnaval Events
Carnaval has three primary classes of events, and to do it properly one must attend at least one of each type. First there are the Balls (Bailes) which are held at hotels or nightclubs, generally starting on Friday night, continuing on Saturday night then taking Sunday & Monday off before resuming on Fat Tuesday (the last night of Carnaval). They involve at least 2 different samba bands and LOTS of dirty dancing & groping. These events typically start at 11pm, get hopping around midnight, and don’t end until 4ish. Costs range from $10 or so up to $250 for the grande dame of the balls held each year [Chinaball] at the swankest hotel around, the Copacabana Palace Hotel. It is here that one can rub elbows with the creme de la creme of both Brazilian and international society, but in addition to the ticket price one must spring for either a tux or an elaborate costume costing big bucks which the hotel will kindly rent you.
The second type of events are the blocos/bandas (blocks or bands) which start several weeks before Carnaval proper and involve street parades centered around a band marching through the streets followed by hordes of jubilant revelers. Often there is a truck with an elevated platform populated by garotas sambaing. This is considered the most “authentic” type of Carnaval event and is also the “Carnaval for the poor” as they are free. EVERY neighborhood has at least one. Photos from the Banda de Ipanema, and a brief discussion of the event, will be in Part 2 along with my procurement trip to the favela.
The most famous, most expensive and IMHO the most spectacular of the three are the two nights (Sunday & Monday) when the top 14 samba schools in Rio (really Brasil) compete at the Sambodromo (the street surrounded by stadium like bleachers and boxes in Central Rio) for the coveted title of best school. This “Grupo Especial” is like the major leagues in baseball with all others schools seeking to “ascend” to that group so they, too, can participate in Brasil’s Superbowl held on those two LONG nights at Sambodromo. My night at Sambodromo will be discussed in Part 3 with MANY pictures. Finally, Part 4 will refute the bogus claim that there are no good garotas to be had during Carnival by discussing (and showing) that your correspondent got to touch a fair bit of magic in addition to just watching it!
War Between the Government & Druglords During Carnaval
One final note before discussing the first of the triumvirate of Carnaval events which I attended, the Baile de Vermelho e Preto (Red & Black Ball), involves both ACTUAL violence and the implied threat of more against tourists during Carnaval. Some of you may have heard news about these events. From what I discerned (I can comprehend about 50% of the local newspapers), it seems just before Carnaval the police “kidnaped” a relative of Fernandinho Beira Mar (AKA “Freddy Seashore”), the imprisoned head of the Vermelho Commando (Red Command), one of Rio’s two rival drug gangs and the one controlling Rocinha (Rio’s largest favela which I visited last trip and reported on in Part 2 of my report). Well somebody apparently smuggled Freddie a cell phone into his cell which he used to order retaliation , including NUMEROUS bus burnings, an order to ALL stores in Rio to close on the Monday before Carnaval (then having the windows shot out of many businesses that defied the closure order) and a few killings. Now almost all of the ACTUAL violence was in the Zona Norte, the area North of the city proper where few tourists go, EXCEPT that the road to the island where the international airport (GIG) is located passes perilously close by the epicenter of trouble on Avenida Brasil. This time, I flew from Sao Paulo into Santos Dumont airport which is RIGHT by downtown , and thus avoided the danger zone.
The government responded to Fred’s challenge in three ways: (1) they transferred him to another prison with cellular jamming equipment, (2) they stationed 400 police right in Rocinha (when I visited last December there was no police outpost there at all) to try and disrupt his operations/cash flow and (3) they sent 3,000 heavily armed soldiers into the city as a deterrent against further mischief in “Operation Safe Rio”, including a squad that was positioned EVERY day DIRECTLY in front of the apartment building in which I was staying on Avenida Copacabana near the access street to the favela on the hill just above. While I read that there were 90 killings in Rio during the Carnaval period, up from 77 last year, I witnessed no untoward incidents, never felt “unsafe” and never heard of any foreigners having been victimized (though undoubtedly plenty were robbed but I never saw it nor heard about it). People are shot to death every day in US cities without attracting much newsprint, and IMHO fear of crime is no reason to skip Carnaval. But then again, I prognosticated before the Bali bombing that Indonesia was “safe”, a statement I STILL stand by.
THE RED & BLACK BALL
Many of the balls primarily cater to gays, and while I agree with Jerry Seinfeld that “there is nothing wrong with that”, it just aint my scene (SPARE me the San Francisco jokes please!) . The consensus is that the best two balls for heteros are the Hotel Copacabana Palace grand shindig (and I didn’t REALLY want to spend all that dosh though I may well do so in a future year) and the Flamengo Soccer Club’s Red & Black Ball (the team colors) held this year at Scala Nightclub in Ipanema. Admission was R70 ($20) and the preferred dress was obvious (Red & Black, duh!). They seized my videocamera at the door claiming that Brazil TV had exclusive rights to broadcast the event (like my handicam was going to compete!), but returned it afterward as they returned many a handgun to other partygoers as they were leaving (RR Man’s kind of place!). Drink coupons were about $2 and COPIOUS amounts of booze was consumed. I saw no fights or shoving incidents like are often ubiquitous in overcrowded nightclubs (one reason I tends to avoid such venues), and the security fellows were pleasant enough though menacing looking (notice large guys in black T shirts in pictures). I did observe one fight at Terraco Atlantico which an American I was speaking with said was the first he recalled seeing during his 7 years of bi-monthly trips to Rio to visit his namorada.
Despite Scala having a good air conditioning system (it was pleasant at about 11.30 when we arrived) , by the end of the night EVERYBODY was DRENCHED in sweat and the floor was literally dripping wet (and quite slippery). My advice=Dress cool, bring no wallet for pickpockets to grab and keep your feet in PROTECTIVE shoewear because stomping stilleto heels are THE shoewear of choice of the Brasileras at these balls! You may want earplugs, but because it was mostly samba (which I quite like) and Brazilian popular music, rather than that techno Euro shit that blasts out from HELP, it was bearable. There is a large balcony with limited access and the TV cameras were up on that level.
The women are QUITE flirty (got a couple numbers but was too satiated from the afternoon session, too exhausted and too sweaty to really push for free nookie). They mostly seemed to LOVE being photographed too, but you will need a REAL camera to get good shots in the conditions (not the $10 disposable many brought along). There were a small number of drag queens, but much less than 1% of the audience of several thousand. Halfway through the evening, I climbed HIGH up on the speaker stands adjacent to the stage to get away from the sweat and to get a better vantage point for photography from above the fray. While I fully expected to be told to get down quite quickly (so I shot furiously while awaiting the inevitable), I was never told to get down and spent well over an hour in my lofty photographer’s perch.
To be Continued
Surfer FINALLY Gets to Rio for Carnaval- Part 2 , the Banda de Ipanema
As noted in Part 1, the second type of events are the blocos/bandas (blocks or bands) which start several weeks before Carnaval proper and involve street parades centered around a band marching through the streets followed by hordes of jubilant revelers. Often there is a truck with an elevated platform populated by garotas sambaing. This is considered the most “authentic” type of Carnaval event and is also the “Carnaval for the poor” as they are free. EVERY neighborhood has at least one. Photos from the Banda de Ipanema, perhaps the most popular (certainly the most popular with tourists), follow.
The concentrao (concentration or gathering/inebriation of celebrants) occurs in Praca General Osorio near where Tom Jobim penned the infamous bossa nova classic “Garota de Ipanema” that made this fashionable beach ALMOST as famous as “the World’s most famous beach” right next door, to wit, Copacabana. But Ipanema also attracts MANY favela residents, particularly on weekends. One of the highlights of the concentrao before Banda de Ipanema marches is watching the “piranhas” (drag queens in outlandish costumes). This particular tradition for Banda de Ipanema dates to 1965, during the military dictatorship, and was an outlet for repressed feelings and political satire/commentary that would draw rebuke if expressed in other contexts.
While www.ipanema.com claimed the band started at 4pm on the first “official” day of Carnaval (Saturday), in fact the concentrao was just getting going when we arrived about 5pm so we cruised down to the beach to take a few shots which are posted below. That website has the full schedule of dances & blocos and is a great reference source for those interested in more details. The Banda de Ipanema also march on Carnaval Tuesday and other blocos march EVERY day of Carnaval. One of the most popular is the Banda de Carmen Miranda which goes out on the Saturday preceding Carnaval (I missed it!) There is another popular one called “Sympathy is ALMOST Love”, and a favorite which never marches but just “concentrates” (read: gets drunk and parties!) We HEARD several other blocos while in the cobertura (penthouse) in Copacabana and just hung out on the balcony to watch from above.
There was a truck at the forefront carrying news crews and I just jumped on and was never questioned nor expelled. This was a propitious move as I could sit on a spare tire on the back of the flatbed giving me a MUCH better vantage point for photography. The only bummer was during the periodic stops (the movement is a combination of slow movement and stops, all recorded by a timekeeper) I had to inhale my fair share of diesel fumes. But many of the girls thought I was with Globo or another TV network (many others on the truck were) and hammed it up for me. The other hazard was this “canned snow” that is like silly string which they sell at the parade. The kids LOVE to spray it EVERYWHERE & on EVERYBODY. Many a camera lens got doused, but I learned to shield my cameras whenever I sensed an attack and I got off QUITE lightly. Others did not fare so well as the pictures will show. PS Trying to drive a vehicle through an area with blocos is NOT recommended as anarchy reigns despite the HEAVY police presence and people WILL jump up on your car and shake it!
Lookr, Surfer -- sounds good. I've got a lot of pictures, too. Gotta get my ass in gear and get them developed. Maybe a Rio-SF cocksman's club will motivate me to do that. I'm game.
jwadd88@yahoo.com
Ole!
the owner of the copacabana apartment "brasil specialist" gave me the ok to post his email: 1234567@innocent.com
he can email you photos of the place, but it has great ac, an inroom fridge, an inroom programmable safe large enough for a laptop, videocamera etc and a jacuzzi in the private bathroom. and i love the balcony overlooking ave ns copacabana and had many a session outside on that very balcony late at night yet never heard a peep of complaint about the noise.
while it is true that the occupant likes to arrange festinhas (orgies) where each guy gets to share the "other's" garotas, i can say everybody i know that has stayed there got way more girls from him than viceversa.
Well, knowing that my contribution will be limited (only a few tame garota pics since I didn't bring my digital camera with me), I'd still be up for that idea. lookr67@hotmail.com. And oh yeah, the 67 stands for my birth year, not my age! :D
Not criticisizing ANYBODY, but HELP is more for newbies and those who cannot speak ANY Portugese (not that mine is great but I can get by with a mix of my Spanisah skills and some Portugese learned while traveling and on Pimselur). [/i]
I strongly disagree with your comment about Help Disco. Help is for anyone that likes to choose from a variety of all different types of girls. On a busy night there are several hundred girls in Help. Most aren't my type but there are easily 10 hotties on any given night I went in there. You know that all of the girls are on the program so that makes it easy.
I did see some guys getting shot down during New Year's Eve weekend. Actually alot of guys that were being (a) drunk, (b) stupid, (c) were a slob, or (d) all of the above.
Many guys criticize Help but I can honestly tell you it's a meat market. Anything you are looking for is there. Expect to pay more for the super hotties. It can get very very crowded which is a bummer but take your time. Be patient, scope for that perfect hottie, then go in for the "kill" so to speak.
Good luck.
Saint
I just got back yesterday from my trip from Brazil during carnival and it was off the hook! I did go to the termas before the Carnaval began and asked the owners if they were opened for Carnaval and Ash Wednesday.
Here are the Carnaval schedules for a few of them I went to:
L'uomo: OPENS daily even during Carnaval!!!!
Monte Carlo: Closed of course on the Sunday and I think one of the girls told me they closed Monday and Tuesday but opened for Ash Wednesday.
Centaurros: Closed for the Carnaval days AND Ash Wednseday (closed Sun to Wed)
4X4: Closed usual Sundays plus Monday and Tuesday. Opened for Ash Wednesday!!
Solarium: Closed Sunday as usual and Monday and Tuesday during Carnaval but opened Ash Wednesday.
I couldn't find out about any more termas because I hooked up with a non-pro during one of the Samba parties on Tuesday.
saint, about HELP, I speak from secondhand reports only as I have never had much desire to endure the smoke & blasting techno coming from inside. I HAVE spent MANY an evening at the Northernmost row of tables at Terraco Atlantico, however, observing EVERYONE that went inside. And while there are certainly a few lookers, there are plenty of marginal types too, and I guess I just prefer daytime action with freelancers, agency girls or going to termas. But to each his own, and the beauty of Rio is that it caters to almost all tastes (unless you like Asians which I do).
That apartment is 2 blocks from HELP so quite convenient if you do much recruiting at HELP so you can avoid paying bandera 2 taxi rates and wasting time "commuting". Felicidadje irmo.
Surfer,
No offense but I think you gotta really be careful about making statements like you did without actually having "first hand knowledge". Blows my mind you'd make a statement like that without actually going in several nights. You can't get the feel of the place from sitting outside of the place watching. It's like someone saying that driving a BMW or Mercedes is a waste of money without having ever gotten behind the wheel.
I like the daytime action too but I like the nighttime action just as much. I enjoy scoping out a hottie, chatting her up then leaving with her.
Help won't be for everyone but anyone going to Rio should go in at least one or two nights to check the place out. It doesn't really start getting going till after 1 AM.
Good luck all. I'm leaving tomorrow for the motherland.
Rio during Carnival was off the hook!! I did all my mongering the Friday and Saturday late afternoons before I hooked up with my non-pro Brazilian girlfriend on Saturday night's Samba ball at Scala. I will give the latest reviews of the termas:
Friday afternoon: I went to Centaurros first when it opened at 4PM. The quality of the women are still 9s and 10s (with a few 8s). They still rip you off with the R90 (R40 entrance + R50 tourist tax) entrance fee. It is still R50 for the room and R150 for each girl for 40 min R200 for the hour. I was still impressed by the looks of the women but hated the price.
I chose Christy, who spoke a little english. She gave an excellent bbbj and allowed me to fuck her any position and even allowed me to spank her.
I also chose a gorgeous blond hair girl who looked like a playboy model. I didn't catch her name because of the loud music blating at the boite, but she also did a great bbbj and loved women on top positions.
After 2 sessions, I asked the cab if there was something cheaper. He took me to this runned down place called Villa Mimosa (I suggest you take a cab there because it is a rough neighborhood and that you travel in a group, but because I am Asian, they think I know martial arts as I keep hearing from the people around me there in Portugese, but is you are white, they might pick on you). This place has small bars and small rooms with hookers in them. The women there were from butt ugly 1s to so-so looking 6s. Out of curiosity, I picked a 6. The girl charged me R20 for her and R1 for the condom. The blowjob was covered however and of course the sex. I didn't like the filthy beds and facilities of this place. It is like a poor man's Red Light District. The girls here are very aggressive also.
Saturday: I went to check out Solarium but was disappointed that they only had 12 girls. They charge R40 entrance, R190 for 40 min and R270 for 1 hour. I chose one girl she gave a good bbbj and cf.
Next, I decided to check out 4X4. I loved the girls and the facilities. It is R40 for entrance and R130 for 40 min or R150 1 hour in regular suite, R200 for a super suite w/ jacuzzi, R250 for king suite (bigger room and jacuzzi for 90 min) and R300 for king suite (even bigger room with jacuzzi for 90 min). The girls there look stunning 8s to 10s, and you pay less than you do in Centaurros. I must have done 5 girls there. They all give great bbbjs and love to try new positions. After being sexually satisfied at 4X4, I went to Scala samba Ball and hooked up with my non-pro.
Darkseid,
Did you try to pick up non-pro girls right on the streets?
I mean, during the carnival they should be easily approachable.
My problem that I cannot stand very hot climate
Did you have air-conditioner in your room?
What the temperature was in Rio. It was too hot at night?
saint: On the one hand, I understand your point. On the other, I am incredulous that the garotas are magically transformed once they step inside. Common sense, plus the collective experience of MANY Brazil experts on the two pay boards to which I belong (TSM & XTN), says the only difference betwen a HELP garotas outside and one inside is that the one inside wants the R15 she paid to enter in addition to her expected "earnings" . There is no "back door", so I saw anyone and everyone before they got inside and while there were a few very good looking garotas, the average is lower than at termas, agencies and from freelancers IMHO. If HELP is your scene, more power to you man and no one should criticize you for that being your preference.
But on the other hand, the WSG audience is entitled to know that many an experienced monger paint a less rosy picture of HELP than you do. Prices are higher than just about anywhere else (except "celebrity" agencies and Terma Centaurus, perhaps), and the sweet semi-pros which many of us favor over the more hardcore hos of HELP/Terraco Atlantico/Meia Pattaca are more readily found elsewhere. Have a great trip and enjoy.
Lenin, there was AC in my apartment but if you go the apartment route, make sure the leaser says that there is AC. The temperature in Rio was 95 degrees, the lowest it was was 85 when it rained. I know that Caucasian people from the Norwegian or Slavic regions have problems with the sun so I would suggest getting the highest possible sunblock, at least SPF 30 AND wear white T-shirts to reflect the sun's rays when you go out. You will sweat a lot so drink plenty of water (or beers) to stay hydrated. Sodas high in sugar (and capirinhas) would still leave you thirsty so if you are a soda person, get diet sodas.
Darkseid,
Did you try to pick up non-pro girls right on the streets?
I mean, during the carnival they should be easily approachable.
Lenin,
I didn't pick up my non-pro girl on the streets but I picked her up at a Samba ball and it's a good thing I spent Friday afternoon learning and practicing samba dancing. You might be able to pick up a girl on the streets but for most of them you MUST speak Portugese or at least Spanish because most of them can't speak English. The girls in the clubs or Samba balls are the more wealthy who could afford to go to college or travel and they speak some English. Overall, all women in Rio during the Carnaval are approachable and friendly. It is only a matter of language barriers after you greet them.
Fartknocker
03-14-03, 17:11
Originally posted by darkseid
I know that Caucasian people from the Norwegian or Slavic regions have problems with the sun so I would suggest getting the highest possible sunblock, at least SPF 30 AND wear white T-shirts to reflect the sun's rays when you go out. You will sweat a lot so drink plenty of water (or beers) to stay hydrated. Sodas high in sugar (and capirinhas) would still leave you thirsty so if you are a soda person, get diet sodas.
These are some good non-hobby tips. I just got back from my first trip to Brazil, so I'll give a couple of additions.
-- If you are fair-skinned, don't trust SPF-ANYTHING to protect you on the beach. I used SPF-30 my first day out and still burned. Believe me, nothing will throw a wrench into your nocturnal activities like a bad sunburn. My advice is to get a base tan before you go. Start hitting the tanning beds at least 4 weeks before your trip. Either that or cover up completely on the beach (and look like a tourist geek).
-- LEARN PORTUGUESE! No matter what anyone tells you, these people do NOT speak English. I think morst of them understand more than they let on, but they will usually not speak it to you. The girl you really want to fuck is absolutely gauranteed not to speak English (Murphy's Law -- Brazilian Addendum). Spanish is a poor substitute at best. While Portuguese is a motherfucker of a language to learn to speak well, I think anyone could get a decent travelling knowlege of it with a couple of months work.
-- Pack a lot of clothes. Figure you will probably want to change clothes twice a day.
-- As mentioned above, stay hydrated. Beer, contrary to popular opinion, will NOT hydrate you (quite the opposite, in fact). I spent a lot of time on the beach drinking beer and much of my trip I was tired and wrung out from dehydration. Drink water. Lots of it.
-- Food is so good and cheap in Brazil, you'll be tempted to overeat all the time. I sure did. I managed to pick up 7 lbs. in 10 days. Aside from having to bust your ass to get the weight off when you get back, there are good reasons not to do this. The combination of a very full stomach and the clamy heat will sap your energy and make you want to call it a night instead of partying on.
-- If you are going to be in Rio or Sao Paulo (especially during events like Carnaval) try to get a hotel near where you plan to party. Pay the extra dough. Traffic is like nothing you've ever seen. Sao Paulo is especially fucked up. I feel like I spent half of my vacation stuck in traffic.
Hope this helps anyone heading for Brazil. It really is the best place on earth to be a single man.
Fartknocker, I agree you NEED to pack a lot of light clothes during the trip because you will have to change your T-shirts at least 2 or three times a day because you will sweat a lot and stink even if you wear cologne. I even had run out of clothing to wear in the middle of the week and had to do the laundry.
Darkseid:
I have been thinking of going to Rio for a long time now. I am an Asian myself, but I don't know any martial art, or any Portugese as a matter of fact. As an Asian, do you have any problem with the girls, or the general population in term of discrimination etc. Do you feel comfortable walking in Rio? Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Actually Brazilian people treat Asian people as one of their own. The bad ones don't even rob the Asians as they would have the Caucasians because they think an Asian guy might know martial arts. In picking up women, there is no discrimination against us Asians. However, you MUST learn Portugese because only a handful of Brazilians speak English. Start learning and practicing Portugese at least 3 months before you go on a trip to Brazil or take somone who could speak it fluently. Many may speak or understand Spanish but for the ones that don't, it is a poor substitute. If you learn Portugese at least in the present tense, you could pick up any girl there. The words you don't know, you can hand gesture and ask "Como se diz, "_______" and she will teach you the word. I got by with basic portugese and charades while I was with my non-pro.
Of course you must still be streetwise and make sure you don't carry more than you need. They ARE expert pickpockets and I did have about R20 lifted from me when I was on the beach by myself. Fortunately, that was actually ALL I had in my pocket. If you are going to a brothel with R1000 keep your hand in the pocket of the wallet while walking or taking a bus, or take a cab or drive there (Although Brazilians are shitty drivers so I don't suggest a car rental. Also cops stop you and demand a bribe when they stop you). Other than that, as an Asian, walking around Rio is safe.
Fartknocker
03-14-03, 21:48
originally posted by darkseid
(although brazilians are shitty drivers so i don't suggest a car rental. also cops stop you and demand a bribe when they stop you).
brazilians are worse than shitty drivers -- they are insane drivers. the brazilian i was travelling with had a lot of connections with the wealthier side of society, and i can say with quite a bit of certainty that the richer they are, the less regard they have for any kind of traffic law.
i had the dubious privilege of driving around sao paulo in a bullet-proofed 5-series bmw with one of these crazy rich assholes. no traffic law was sacred to this guy. red lights? what are those? bus lanes, one-way streets? both great ways to get around those slow fuckers clogging up the road. speed limit and traffic signs? merely decoration on the roadside.
i wouldn't risk driving anywhere in brazil unless:
a: you were born in brazil
b: you are a former professional formula-1 driver
Ola from San Jose, CA, or the Silly-Conned Valley. :P
Being half-Asian myself, I didn't have any troubles in Rio. 'Course, I was with a Pakistani & an Indian, so we pretty much all looked like God-forsaken foreigners, anyway, haha! :D
One thing I did notice was the number of mixed-race people there were in Rio. I'd swear Rio is the ultimate genetic melting pot, even surpassing Hawaii (where I went to grad school).
And with the exception of one taxi driver who was barely able to walk, let alone drive, everyone else seemed pretty tame on the roads. But I'm sure the wackiness elsewhere was what made the great Ayrton Senna the driver he was. :)
Fartboy:
>I wouldn't risk driving anywhere in Brazil unless:
>A: You were born in Brazil
>B: You are a former professional Formula-1 driver
....If you don't like the way I drive, then stay the f-ck off the sidewalk, neh?
;-)
Tom B.
hey tomb and all
my brazilian friends tell me that after dark, the idea behind not stopping at red-lights had to do with avoiding carjackings. maybe that has something to do with the ignoring of traffic signals....(?)
hooky :)
BlameItOnMo
03-15-03, 23:01
Did anyone else lose weight while in Rio during Carnaval? I was eating and drinking up a storm, but I have never sweat so much in my life. I lost close to 10 lbs, but then again I was very active while there ;). Plus, I went to 10s of Copacabana shops and stopped in at least 50% of the stores in Rio Sul, BUT I COULD NOT FIND A BANDANA! Just my luck, I found three vendors selling them the last day I was in Rio. If you're a bald brother like myself, be sure to bring your own bandanas with you. Figure on 2 a day.
And someone mentioned bad Rio drivers. This is an understatement. I went hang gliding with a bunch of people I met, and while we were being driven up the hill, the driver turned around to us and said "the most dangerous part of your hang gliding today will be the drive to the top of the mountain". Mind you that he didn't take his eyes off of us for about 15 seconds IN THE BACK SEAT while he was driving and telling us. As well as bandanas, you might want to take along several changes of underwear too. The road was a small one way -- if that -- that was used in both directions by the drivers. Anyway, after reaching the top of the mountain in one piece, jumping off of it to my destination 100's of feet down was a piece of cake...
I lost 12 pounds on this trip because there was insuficient AC in the Samba Balls I danced in. Samba dancing is a great Cardiovascular workout but with the heat the girl I was dancing with and I had to take breaks after intervals of 15 minutes and get water, beer, or sodas. I also lost weight having lots of sex in the termas because every session, I was sweating a lot. I even lost the small gut I had when I arrived in Brazil.
More about the horror stories on bad drivers, the cab driver that drove me from the airport kept his eyes on the map for 1 minute with one hand on the wheel. I was scared to death by his diving. Also there were 3 reports of accidents during that week as I watch the morning news in Portugese. I am not generalizing all Brazilians are bad drivers, but there is the majority of them that are.
I don't think that brazilians are such bad drivers cuz everyone is used to drive in this choas so they are alert on every situation. There are so many situations where a crash would have happened if the driver had been americans or north europeans cuz in these countries driving is more regulated and you are the exception if you don't follow the rules. Of course, if Avenida Copacabana had traffic in both senses it would be a mass massacre......
Can someone tell me if pussy changes places on weekends (if they move towards the beach or so...). Did someone try to pick up a girl at the Shopping Sul?
thanks for any feedback!
Paolino
Hi all,
At the end of March, I'll make my 3'd trip to Rio. I'd like to hear everyone's opinion of where to stay, currently where the best pussy is. After all, INFORMATION is what this site is supposed to provide.
I'm really fond of the Thermas, especially Monte Carlo, and 4x4, but what about the shopping malls for non-pros? As for me, I've stayed at the Debret, and also at a rented apartment. The Debret is good for location, and cleanliness, and the view. It's ok for price, and their girl policy.
An apartment is better, it just takes a little longer/more effort to find a good one - that is clean and with a view. So, if you're reading this, would you please respond with info of where you've stayed and whom you've fucked, and how we can do the same? A phone number or email/website is good.
Thanks very much.
This forum is fantastic.
LEX
hooky
I think I finally found the numbers for different sexual activities that you mentioned. Table 1 in
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?doc=kb-07-02-01
Do these sound consistent with what you heard on the radio? If so, I'll post them for the on-going discussion in the safe sex section (or you can do the honors :) )
yeah the drivers are bad check this article out
the increase in the number of accidents in barra da tijuca has rio transit authorities worried. according to detran findings, approximately 20 people per year die in accidents on avenida das américas. reckless drivers who travel along its 8 km at high speeds are responsible for 85% of the accidents. according to data provided by the fire department, 20 deaths were registered on the avenue in the year 2000. in 2001, the number of deaths rose to 24. last year, 27 people lost their lives there.
most transit accidents in barra occur on avenida das américas. last year, there were 698, as opposed to 72 on avenida sernambetiba and 66 on ayrton senna.
the accident involving five youths in the early hours of yesterday morning has called attention to one more tragedy on the avenue. three occupants of the peugeot died and another three people were injured. the accident occurred when marcelo henrique negrăo kizak, 18, lost control of the gray peugeot, license plate number lby- 9552, in front of building number 1.600. the accident took place on the side heading towards recreio dos bandeirantes. according to eyewitness accounts, the car was travelling at a high speed when the driver lost control. after climbing onto the sidewalk of a car dealership, the vehicle ploughed into a lamppost, knocking it down. the peugeot then turned over and collided with two parked cars. fabrício pinto da costa, 20, who was in the passenger seat, mariana alves de aquino lopes, 18, and juliana teixeira vasconcelos dos anjos, 19, died at the scene. barra da tijuca fire fighters were called to the scene and they rescued the driver, marcelo, and aline silva macedo, 17. both youths were taken to miguel couto hospital in leblon.
published march 11th
Trippleecks
03-18-03, 14:18
sf_lexus,
I have stayed in Hotels and Apartments in Copacabana. I have used EZ-riorentals.com each time I wanted an apartment. Ken is very helpful.
Hi Nodd,
How much do they charge for the apartments in EZ-rentals.com? I looked at their website but couldn't find the prices. I am always looking for a better deal. I also like to know how much they charge for apartments during Carnival.
Thanks
Darkseid
Originally posted by Paolino
I don't think that brazilians are such bad drivers cuz everyone is used to drive in this choas so they are alert on every situation. There are so many situations where a crash would have happened if the driver had been americans or north europeans cuz in these countries driving is more regulated and you are the exception if you don't follow the rules.
You've got to be kidding.
I suppose young people are better drivers than older people because their reflexes are sharper, huh?
Originally posted by Surfer
There is no "back door", so I saw anyone and everyone before they got inside...
Hey, this raises a very interesting question, has anyone noticed any fire exits in Help, other than the front entrance?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkseid
[i]Hi Nodd,
{How much do they charge for the apartments in EZ-rentals.com? I looked at their website but couldn't find the prices. I am always looking for a better deal. I also like to know how much they charge for apartments during Carnival.}
Prices are not posted due to the constantly changing market. As explained to me, a 10 day rental could mean two months income for some apartment owners. So they can not afford to post prices in advance. Carnaval is higher but quotes I got from EZ rio rentals and a company I lost the address to but it is "gringo rentals" both were between 60 and 120 per night for a week for 2 or 3 bedroom apartments. all were close to the Copacabana beach and avenue
What is the URL for EZ-rentals.com? I tried www.EZ-rentals.com, www.EZ-rentals.com.br, www.EZ-rentals.br and none of them work. thx
Trippleecks
03-19-03, 14:36
Ken told me that they do not list prices because they change all the time. They would be different for a 5 day rental, 15 day rental and 30 day rentals. We all know prices are always much higher for Carnival and New Years and I know they change for the High Season and the Low Season.
I paid 145reais for a 1 bedroom apartment 1 block back from the beach, doorman, a/c, cable tv, safe, stereo. No trouble with guests. I guess it is best to e-mail him or call him.
sabio
thanks for checking on that. the quote i heard had it broken down to very simple numbers that lay people could understand. but i couldn't find anything like that on the net, and furthermore alot of the figures conflicted (common in medicine). so after that,
i kinda gave up hope of finding those same numbers.
thanks again for following up, i will take another stab at finding that info. of course there is no way to know that it is exactly accurate but it gives an idea anyway...
hooky
BlameItOnMo
03-20-03, 05:01
VSG88, the link you're looking for is --- > http://www.ez-riorentals.com. I used gringo management ( www.gringomanagement.com ) to book my apartment during Carnival, so I can't really add my two cents about EZ rio rentals.
And, as a sidenote, I've heard that a lot of people have been down on Bobby from BlameItOnRio4Travel, but I was treated extremely well by him. I wasn't doing business with him, I just happened to stop at his office after I was pickpocketed of just about all my money and my ATM card during Carnival. He really had no reason to, but he sat down with me and brainstormed ways out of my predicament. (He gave me the idea to stop by the American Express office even though I didn't have my AMEX card number, or my card for that matter since I never brought it with me to Rio.) It's funny how no one wants to talk to you if you don't have money in Rio, but Bobby took the time to get me out of that jam. He never asked for a penny in return. AMEX wired me some emergency funds, and my trip was saved. Once again, I've never done business with the guy, but on this occasion he proved himself to be a stand-up type of guy.
Good luck in your apartment search.
And, as a sidenote, I've heard that a lot of people have been down on Bobby from BlameItOnRio4Travel, but I was treated extremely well by him.[/i]
I agree - I have to say what a cool guy Bobby is. He didn't make any money off of me, either - but was very helpful and friendly. Also, Luanna, who works for him is a PRINCESS.
On my last trip, my flight left Rio on a Sunday - when the dry cleaners where closed. I had about $200 worth of clothes in there and had no way to get them, because they were closed all Sunday..... I left some money with Luanna - mind you, I wasn't a client of theirs, I had only stopped in for information - and asked her to please pick up my clothes on Monday and send them to me in California. She came through like a champ, and my clothes - fairly nice stuff - arrived at my home a few weeks later. She could have easily kept my money, and my clothes, etc - but didn't. I will always think highly of them for that, and will surely use their services in the future.
Nodd_N - Thank you for your advice. I have already emailed Kenn - I guess it's just best to get a hotel for a day or two while looking for an apartment in person?!? At least that's what I'll do next week when I get there. It's tough negotiating with the locals, but I only want to get screwed by the girls, ya know?! :)
Regarding apartment rentals - I have always gone during off season. I've paid $40 per night for a not so great 2 bedroom apartment. It wasn't that nice, and I wouldn't want to spend too much time there - just a place to sleep and fuck. If anyone has any advice or phone numbers of landlords, I'd appreciate it - sf_lexus@yahoo.com
Thanks, Brothers.
Keep on Fuckin
Lex
Trippleecks
03-21-03, 18:43
As a side note I rented a phone from Ken and lost it. I paid him for a new phone on the day I left Rio. A few days later I got an e-mail from Ken saying he got the phone back. He did not have to say anything and he could have just kept the money, and the new phone but he sent me back the money I paid him for the new phone. I guess not all of those guys are just out for the money. Some of them it seems are in this to build a good return client base. Ken has one satisfied customer in me and I will use him again.
I have never used Bobby but I have read different opinions on him. I have none because I don't know the man. If you will only be in Copacabana for a few days try the Hotel Vilamar on Rua Bolivar. It's new and they have nice rooms for about 160real a night.
High on Hobbyin
03-23-03, 14:25
i recently returned from my first trip to rio... here's my 2 cents regarding a few issues:
cab drivers:
fifty percent of them i didn't trust, but all were good drivers ...for rio. fyi i was told the cabbies don't speed between rio and the airport because photo radar is in use and the tickets are too expensive. at night expect to be screwed by the cabbies too. they don't use the meter and come up with arbitrary prices. what had cost me 3 rais to get to (centauras) ran me 10 when returning at 2 am. i know it's not much, but it's the point of being treated like a tourist.
blame it on rio travel:
i tried to have them set up a car to meet me at the airport after reading past posts of being robbed by your cab driver. they told me to send them specific information. i did. they never responded. i wrote them again. they responded several days later stating they never received my second email. by this time i was already in rio checking my email!
being asian in rio:
from the conversations i had this is what i've pieced together regarding being asian in rio. braziladas will typically assume you're japanese. braziladas tend to automatically believe that as an asian you are an educated, well heeled, business person. also asian customers typically prefer light skinned garotas. so if you're asian and like darker garotas (mulatas or blacks), you're the exception and these garotas will be very flattered.
I agree that cab driver DO rip you off at night. Some even quote one price as soon as you get into their cab and then they quote another price when you are going out of their cab. I then tell them in Portugese that I am not stupid and that they quoted the first price and that is all I'm paying. They then stubbornly agree knowing that you are not in a drunken stupor. A little Portugese helped in this situation also because it doesn't give them the "I can't speak English" excuse.
I found Rio taxi drivers (in fact throughout Brasil) to be fairly honest. The "fixed price" deal from airports can be annoying, but Miami has the same scheme! If you have problems in Rio with cabbies NEVER even CONSIDER going to the Philippines. The cab drivers in Manila, in particular, will REALLY take you to the cleaners if you do not speak at least a bit of Tagalog and know the going rates (they typically refuse to use their meters which are often "fast" anyway).
Report on Carnaval Samba Parade
“The Greatest Show on Earth”
The samba parade is often referred to as “The Greatest Show on Earth” . Despite the well known fact that Brasil is a soccer mad country, the samba parade (rather than the Campeonato nacional) is the “Superbowl” of Brasil. It is televised live across the country, and anybody who is somebody MUST be seen in a camarote (more on this later) to maintain their social stature. Every model, soccer star, TV personality or other celebrity is there.
While there is PLENTY of exposed flesh, those who expect public fornication or fellatio may well be disappointed. Gogo bars in Patpong (Bangkok), Barcelona etc. offer more “sex” on a stage than anything to be seen during Carnaval. Things have supposedly been toned down a bit from year’s past, but the Samba parade is definitely “R’ rated (rather than XXX). And admission is pricey, so those whose interest is strictly prurient would do better to save their reals for a terma visit or HELP girl. For those more cultured members who enjoy Carioca color, energy, music and spectacle, however, they will be amply rewarded by a show unlike anything else they are likely to have experienced.
The samba parade occurs on two nights, Carnaval Sunday & Monday. On each of those two nights starting around 10pm and lasting until 7am, seven samba schools from the so called Grupo Especial are given approximately 60 to 70 minutes to do their thing before over 100,000 spectators in and around the Sambodromo. A few points of explanation about these terms is needed now.
First, a samba “school” is not a “school” at all but is an organization (like a loval civic club) or administrative group which organizes the dancers, floats, percussion section etc.. They hold weekly practices during the year which are open to the public. Anybody who wants to get a taste of the samba parade, but who is not in Rio during Carnaval, should attend a rehearsal BUT you really MUST go with a local or take a guided tour as these events are held in difficult to find favelas. Only one (Unidos de Tijuca) is based in the Zona Sul (tourist area) and several are from dangerous areas in the Zona Norte or even across the bay in Niteroi. Most have names you cannot hope to pronounce unless you know a smattering of Portugese. This year’s winner, Beijaflor, has the cleverest name IMHO. Literally flower (flor) kisser (beija), it means hummingbird. They had been runner up for 4 straight years (like the Minnesota Vikings or Buffalo Bills of the NFL), but their Samba do Enredo (their theme song) was about alleviating poverty and hunger in Brasil which resonated with the judges. It also didn’t hurt that their last float was a replica of Brasil’s new socialist President Luis Ignacio da Silva (“Lula”), whom many Brazilians feel is their first ever President who REALLY empathizes with the masses (he was a steelworker turned trade union leader who was imprisoned by the military dictatorship before entering politics
Beijaflor is unique in a couple other ways too: they hail from one of the toughest favelas, the Baixada Fluminese, their “Queen of the Percussion (discussed below)” is not YET a celebrity as she is only 12 YEARS OLD and the school is more well know among tourists because they participate in the touristy samba show held atop Pao de Acucar (Sugarloaf) which I saw on my first trip to Brasil back in 1989.
Brasil has HUNDREDS of Samba schools, but only the “Grupo Especial” gets the privilege of strutting their stuff at Sambodromo on the big nights. On Saturday night, another group of 7 TRYING to make it to the grupo especial struts their stuff and the top finisher gets promoted for the following year. The lowest scoring member of the grupo especial gets relegated to the so called “Group of Accession” for the following year’s Carnaval. This is like in European soccer leagues, whereas US sport leagues have no similar procedure for moving up or down or else the Cincinnati Bengals would have been relegated from the NFL years ago.
The Sambodromo
The sambodromo in the Centro district (downtown Rio) is a stadium unlike any other;
instead of having a playing field in the middle of the grandstands/bleachers, it has a kilometer long street (called the Sapucai or “Samba Avenue”) that looks just like any other strip of asphalt in any other city. But this street is quite special on the handful of days during which it is in use It was designed by World renowned architect Oscar Niemeyer and was completed in 1984. At the end of the Sapucai there is a large arch called “Niemeyers’ Arch” shaped like the golden arches, as well as a “Samba Museum” where you can learn the history of the parade through photos and artifacts at any time of year. I am attaching a link that shows the layout of sambodromo, has some photos and explains the various seating options. The prices quoted are quite high IMHO.
http://www.ipanema.com/carnival/sambodro.htm
On both sides of the entrance opening are areas for “concentration” of schools which are the open areas where the schools gather and organize prior to beginning their march. Each school has between 3,000 & 4,500 PERFORMERS (plus several hundred support staff) so on each night the number of PERFORMERS exceeds 30,000! The various bleachers and camarotes hold just under 50,000, but an almost equal number just hang out OUTSIDE on the surrounding streets having a “free” party. When you add all these people together you will quickly realize that those who hate big crowds might be better off watching on TV. NOT! I hate big crowds (i.e. I never go out on New Year’s Eve to stand with the masses and I ASSIDUOUSLY avoid demonstrations), but I believe THIS event warrants a departure from that preference. This is REALLY an event where you need to be there in personal to feel the energy and sound or you will not get the full impact of the event.
Not being a local celeb, but being willing to pay for a better, more comfortable place to watch the spectacle, I splurged almost $300 (R1000) for a seat in a camarote at the VERY front of sector 2. This section had tuxedo clad waiters serving food & drink (all included in price), plush cushions on which to sit (as opposed to concrete steps on which to sit in ALL other sections), private bathrooms, a private walkway to observe the concentration, a “front row” location directly adjacent to the Sapucai, and fans connected to misting devices to keep the temperature comfortable.
Tickets to Sambodromo come in two parts, a card (like a credit card) which you must surrender upon entry (bummer as it would be a great souvenir) and a paper stub showing your seat number (if you have a section with reserved seating). For the camarote, you still had to turn in the credit card but you also got a laminated pass to wear around your neck which you get to keep
Before each school begins there is a fireworks show that is not really visible from inside the camarote, but the noise is almost DEAFENING. Each school has several distinct components: the puxador is a male singer who leads all the other singers in performing the Enredo, the Bateria is a large group of drummers who supply the beat which drives the school, the Rainha de Bateria (Queen of the percussion) is a celebrity who dances by herself in a particularly ornate costume at the front of the Bateria, the Bainas (technically females from the State of Bahia) which are darkskinned women who do syncronized spinning moves in large, colorful skirts, and the Porta Bandeira (flag carrier) carries the colors of her school and twirls around impressively in a large hooped skirt while accompanied by her Mestre sala who is a skilled male dancer who uses dramatic moves to draw attention to his porta bandeira. Each school also has a few female celebs that wear the official shirt of the school and walk along blowing kisses and flirting (I like this part!). In between the groups of dancers each school has approximately seven “floats” which are MUCH more fun than anything you’ll EVER see in the Rose or Orange Bowl parades. Oh, I almost forgot to mention the huge numbers of garotas flashing skin, but few of you are interesting in hearing about THAT! In addition to the great visuals out on the Sapucai itself, there is PLENTY of eye candy in the audience.
It seems these cab drivers charge tourists a "translation" fee if they have to speak English. I once objected to this in Portugese and after the driver discovered I speak the language he lowered the price by half.
I enjoyed the Carnaval Parades. I went on Sunday, Monday and the Parade of Champions. I spent $120 to $150 on the front row sections which you can get very close to the paraders and high five them (I forgot the name of the private sections, help me out, Surfer). It is the area opposite of the camarotes. For the Parade of Champoins, I skimped with a seat on the steps, big mistake! I had to climb over people to get a snack or use the bathroom. These tickets were $30-$50 though but I rather have a comfortable spot.
Hey Darkseid, if you mean the four person tables they are called "Brisas" I believe. Did you get free drinks brought to you by waiters there? If so, I may consider those tables next year (though the cooling from the misting fans was INVALUABLE!).
Parade of champions tickets are MUCH easier to obtain and are cheaper from what I've been told (I left before that Saturday). Much less buzz/excitement too (like the Pro Bowl after the Superbowl for US Football fans).
thanks, surfer, the seats i got were the frisas. they don't serve free food or drinks, you have to pay the waiters for them, but it does have other perks. the people on the floats throw out condoms, caps, shirts and other things they throw at this crowd. they don't throw door prizes at the step seats crowd or the camarotes. i got a free box of condoms which i used on my non-pro i met in brazil. also you get great camera shots especially if you don't have a zoom lens. these seats are worth the money you pay for them. i may try the camarotes next year if i have more money or i might go back to the frisas. i hated the steps seats or the ariquirabinhas or whatever they're called. you get a lousy camera shot and it is a major inconvenience to get to the bathroom and i almost peed in my pants by the time i got to the bathroom. don't go for these seats even if you feel like being cheap. thank goodness i only did this for the parade of champions.
OK, I'm set.
I'm flying to Rio on Monday. I'll stay at the Debret or something like it while looking for an apartment. The F-1 car race is in Sao Paulo next weekend. Who is in Rio and wants to hook up? I've been a few times, and know my way around fairly well <not that great>, but I do have a really good Carioca friend who can hook us up with whatever we want. Drop me a line if there are good times to be had and you need a wing man.
Also, would anyone like to trade me their Pimsleur collection? I have tons of MP3's and DVD movies I'd be happy to copy for you.
Anyway, I thought I'd put the offer out there.
Giddy with excitement.
4x4 - Monte Carlo - Here I cum!
See you there.
sf_lexus@yahoo.com
Lex
Guys going to help Disco should be careful about those dollars hungry Bitches.These Bitches will do anything to rip you off ,just becareful and don,t pay em anything first without getting the business taken care of.You know what l mean.l was taken for a ride by this jeniffer lopez look alike ***** but l got the last laugh .l forcefully manhandled the ***** and took my damn money back after she led me to pay for a hotel room for $R100.00.Guys just becareful when you go to help Disco .That,s all l got to say .
l had a bad experience my first time at Help Disco and l did not return there again,but Rio has tons of places to have fun and guys l,m having the fun of my life .On my next Brazilian visit l ain,t coming back to RIO,but Salvador.
Dogdays, I would avoid the discoteques altogether. Most of them don't do bbbjs and they charge an outrageous price of $100 USD or R300. You could talk them down to $80 though. I also am afraid of diseases and many of these girls are street walkers from the beach. These streetwalkers don't get tested and some are HIV positive. I trust termas more because I actually SAW a STD testing room with microscope, solutions, vials of blood, etc in 4X4, Monte Carlos, Centaurros, and L'uomo. They also trust that you are clean from taking a shower before getting into the robe so they all do bbbjs. The only advantage you may have with discoteque girls from HELP or Barbarella is that you can take photos or movies of them. But be sure to bring several home HIV test kits and birth control pills as well as some xtra $$$ with you if you film a porn movie with these girls.
I agree. The particular woman I had from Terraco Atlantico (the neighboring restaurant to Help (apparently both establishements are owned by the same guy)) was one of the only people I've ever met, with the exception of myself, who looked better IN clothes than out of them. :)
But lemme tell ya, after screwing her there was no shortage of disinfectant and Abreva I slathered on Mister Happy. It's been a month, and thankfully no itching or bumps. I should go get one of those instant HIV tests, although it would definitely be too late if I already caught it.
Dogdays;
Sorry you had a bad time with the JLO look alike.
No telling what was going on that night. This HAS to be the same girl I met and took home during CARNAVAL. I posted my report on this board March 10 about her and the rest of my week there.
Now it was late (early actually) when we started dancing and I was not ready to leave yet and her price keep dropping until we spent several hours in my apartment engaging in sexo of mind blowing nature. Including that fine behind, which she initiated. Until she saw the panties left behind by my "Romance De Carnaval" she was fun and open for anything. All this for R$100 not Americano. Better luck another time my brother.
All of our brothers can take a lesson from this, "our" girls can be awesome one night and bandits another. I always treat wh*res like queens, but I never forget what I am looking for and what they are looking for.
Peace
Originally posted by lookr
I should go get one of those instant HIV tests,
and
Originally posted by darkseid
But be sure to bring several home HIV test kits
Hear! Hear!
I have written extensively about these kits in the safe sex section (under special interests) starting with my February 26 post.
Folks,
I bit the bullet and did the calculation to decide which is safer: condoms or test kits. The results are awaiting you in the safe sex section (under special interests).
Sabio, I really appreciate your research. Anything that adds knowledge and tips on how to be safer is helpful. Do you have tips on how to broach the subject of testing when you are with someone?
Muito Obrigado, Senior Sabio! :) I'll have to remember that (and pack a few tests, too) next time I head to Rio. Hindsight being the wonderful thing it is, I didn't do that, but I was extremely careful to thoroughly kill any unwanted critters by unleashing viral genocide on my John Thomas.
Rio rocks!
-- lookr
Jony Vegas
03-31-03, 09:57
Can someone tell me how far Leblon Beach area is from the main action (i.e tax away and what cost)?
I am looking at staying at the "Marina Palace" on Avienda Delfim Moreira 630. Anyone familiar with this place and if they allow female guests or not?
Thanks
lookr, PRBuck
Thank you :)
In response to the board moderator's action, I am sorry to say that I will no longer post on WSG. Please see the details in my farewell post in the safe sex section (assuming the moderator lets it through).
Good luck.
Question on Sheraton Hotel in Rio - is this hotel girl friendly? I believe the hotel is a bit far removed from the action places. Anyone who stayed here have any experiences they want to share?
xdude
Regarding Help Disco. On my just completed trip, Help had the best looking girls BUT yes you have to throw away all the hardcore pros so that leaves you with only 5% of the garotas to choose from.
Terma girls show up at 1:00 at Help, otherwise stick to out of towners, just ask them where they are. I met a stunner who is a theatre actress, she works 1 or 2 days a month to pay the rent. Help hardcores are complete low life but the out of towners, terma, and semi pro make it a worthy place to hang out. In any case by 2:00, all the good ones are taken so you may as well call it a night.
Gentlepersons, I'm planning my first trip to RDJ the last two weeks of August. I understand this is winter time there. My question is, are the beaches frequented this time of year or are they deserted? What temperatures do you see there from around noon into the afternoon (all the information web sites give average temps).
To put this more straightforwardly, is August a bad time to go and should I postpone my trip till Summer? Or is this an okay time?
Thanks for the advice.
Vinckman
Dotor,
The last 2 weeks of August is rainy season and the beaches are not as full as during the summer. It is cloudy for 3 days of the week and sunny for 4 days. You won't find cold temperatures though because the lowest it ever got was 80 degrees. The cloudy days may turn to fog due to the conflict of the rainy air and hot air. Everything is still opened though like termas, discoteques, restaurants, night clubs, etc.
I would not go to Rio in August unless only time of the year option. Best is to go between October and March. Having said that termas will be fully equipped 365 days of the year.
JONY VEGAS --
Leblon is far to walk, short for taxi. It is a little nicer than Ipanema (restaurants, etc.) -- but there's no real sex-action out in that area. A cab ride should cost about 3-6 U.S.
I wouldn't worry about staying there.
Best,
JWadd
I've been to Rio in August, and there are less people and of course the weather is iffy for the beach, but the sex scene is still open. In some ways, it's a better time to go. You'll still be able to find what you're looking for, for sure.
I am going to Rio on May 17th. If anyone would like to hook up, let me know. I have noticed that the exchange rate has really been dropping. I have thought about going to an exchange and buying reals. Any advice? Finally, I know the Brazilian economy has really declined in the past year. Has this had any effect on the talent, one way or another?
Thanks.
I am looking for the best country to go to to pursue my hobby. I do not want anything specfic. Is Brazil a good place to go ? Are the girls hot and worth the money?
yes.
Originally posted by daugface
I am looking for the best country to go to to pursue my hobby. I do not want anything specfic. Is Brazil a good place to go ? Are the girls hot and worth the money?
Dawgface,
BOOK YOUR TRIP TO BRAZIL NOW!!!! You wanted the best place to go, Brazil is it! It is also the cheapest and the women are top quality. Europe has top quality but it is a bit pricier. Also you can eat really cheap in Brazil which saves you lots of money which can be used for fucking. Also the girls are safer too. In the termas in Rio, they get tested for STDs, unlike other third world countries like Dominican Republic. I even saw a room full of medical and testing equipment in 4X4 and Centaurros. If you want to meet non-pros, you MUST learn Portugese. Trust me, it's worth your time to learn because Brazillian women are the easiest pick ups on earth.
Brazil is not the cheapest place to go but sex is incredible. You get accustomed to rimming and anal real fast.
I was told terma girls have to see gynecologist twice a week, get their blood tested once a month.
Of course no such thing in boates and other options.
Hey this is my first time going to Brazil and I am staying in Rio, what are the plus and minus's that I need to know. I want to have fun and enjoy the women so I would like to know the best way to go about it?
RTFF
1sttimer,
rio like any other place has things to avoid. first, don't rent a car because brazilians don't follow red lights and they speed. if you are not familiar with their style of driving, you can get into an accident. also avoid the fevelas. buy a street atlas of rio because they will tell you where they are. in fevelas, you'll get pickpocketed or harrassed for money. also, don't keep more cash than you need and if you get cash or go to a terma, take a cab. however, most cabbies don't speak english so you have to learn some portugese or they will add a "translation fee". they won't use the meter at night and they will quote a price which you must talk down by speaking portugese. if you are unable to speak it, you'll be stuck paying that price. however, in american dollars, the most i paid for a cab ride from centro to copacabana was $10 at night. this is still cheaper than american cabs which would charge $35 for the same distance.
before cumming to brazil, you must get a brazillian visa with your passport or else they will send you back to the us. one couple who didn't know this had to cancel their trip because they didn't get visas.
most hotels charge an extra r30 if you bring a guest or girl to your room overnight. apartments don't charge this fee because it is basically yours to rent for a week. the tradeoff for apartments though is that you won't get the security vault or cleaning service you would get in a hotel. i recommend highly the security vault so that your guest won't steal from you. if you get an apartment, hide the money in your luggage in a pair of socks or wherever they have to search hard to find it so that they can't find it in time by the time you finish taking a shower.
i hope this helps and have a great time in rio!
Thunderthrust
04-08-03, 23:01
I am thinking of going to Rio in September. I have seen some posts giving details of what its like in August. Has anyone been in September? If so can you give me any info on the weather and the action. It would be much appreciated.
Cheers
Thanks Darkseid,
I still want to know what is help, and what is a termas, I guess help is a club but i am not sure. Also how does it work with the language barrier? Rio is a tourist town so some people have to speak english. I have seen in the post that the women are easy to pick up. How does that work if you can't communicate? I know these are rookie questions, but I am a rookie and would like to be prepared. Also are the women as beautiful as in the snoop dog video or am i going to be dissappointed.
Thanks
1stimer31
Help is a large Dance Club that plays techno, Latino, and dance music. I love the music there, but if you hang around long enough, you'll realize it's usually the same music every night. Along with that, the dance floor is huge with all the girls for hire shaking their booty in the center, and a whole bunch of gringos surrounding the floor carefully making their choice.
A Therma is a place that has a locker room, a shower room, a bar area, and private sex rooms. The bar area is filled with many women dressed like strippers.
Here is the typical sequence of events at most Thermas:
1) Enter the door and pay your entrance fee or they just create an account for you to charge your expenses.
Upon payment, you get a bracelet with a locker key on it.
Your locker number is how they identify you when you buy a drink or services.
2) Next you go to the Locker room and change into a bathrobe.
3) Then you go to the Shower room and take a shower (highly
recommended)
4) Now the girls. Go to the bar, get a drink, and hang out until you see the girl you like.
Many of the girls will approach you.
Call the girl over when you see her or want to take a closer look.
I usually ask the bartender to call the girls for me for if she is with another guy.
5) Once you found what you are looking for, the girl will ask for your locker number, and off to the private room you go.
6) The fun begins now. She takes you up to the room and you'll have 45 minutes to 1 hour of porno sex as many times as you want (usually GFE).
7) Go back to the bar, recharge, and repeat steps 3 to 6 as many times a possible.
8) Get dressed and pay your fee.
9) Rest and then go to Help at 11:00 PM.
As far as the women are concerned, you can find a playboy model if you want her. It will take more effort, but they are there.
Learn Portuguese if you can. Not needed, but it adds to the experience a lot. My first trip in Rio was a blast, and I didn't even know what language they spoke.
Good luck,
hojo
steelers_80
04-10-03, 02:05
Hello,
I was just wondering what websites have the best airfares to Rio. What is the best prices people have had. I went to brazil for Carnaval and let me tell you people that have not been there, it is the best place to go in the world by far. I had a language barrier also but I still had the time of my life. If I had know the language my trip would have been 10 times better yet! The women are amazing and they are the best in bed! The termas are awesome but don't ever get just one chick ata time always at least 2, it is sooo much fun and they have a good time too! we are heading back in October and spending the next few months trying to learn a little Portuguese! Has anyone been there during October. How is it? The women I am sure are just as good but what about the weather?? Anyone thta wants to hear some really good stories or has some recomendations for me when I go back shoud read the forum.
Thanks guys
Originally posted by 1stimer31
Thanks Darkseid,
I still want to know what is help, and what is a termas, I guess help is a club but i am not sure. Also how does it work with the language barrier? Rio is a tourist town so some people have to speak english. I have seen in the post that the women are easy to pick up. How does that work if you can't communicate? I know these are rookie questions, but I am a rookie and would like to be prepared. Also are the women as beautiful as in the snoop dog video or am i going to be dissappointed.
Thanks
Check this website out, it will help you understand the scene in Rio. It's very helpful.
http://**********.net/dummies_guide_to_brazil1.htm
Btw, you will not de dissapointed, most Brasilian women are beautiful and friendly, although I speak spanish to them and it's easier for them to understand than english.
1stTimer31
You gotta read the archives.
Help is a boate, 99% hookers, very much hit and miss.
Termas are high class brothels, termas make Rio top monger destination. It will be the best sex of your life. Speaking Portuguese helps but money rules.
1sttimer,
Although Rio is a tourist town, only those women that are involved in the tourism or prostitution industry speak english. Other women, even the college educated, speak limited or no english. When picking up any non-pro lady you want your first conversation to go smoothly so learning portugese helps a lot. If you cannot pronounce the words smoothly, say that the music is too loud and write the phrases in portugese. And bring a pad with you so you can pull this off instead of looking for a napkin.
Pros speak english because they want the customers but their english is bad.
If you speak Spanish, you must talk very slowly because spanish is slightly different than portugese. They will have an easier time understanding you than if you speak english but they won't understand you if you speak too fast. Also portugese is easier to learn if you already know spanish. I didn't know spanish but I learned portugese through my capoiera class.
Hi
My name is Phantomas and I am from Amsterdam, the Netherlands
Where do you find these so called termas?
I will be in Rio on April 18. If anybody wants to hook up, mail me. Unfortunately I do not speak Portuguese so I hope I can hook up with someone from here.
I agree with the post below. The archives have much better content than most of the present (going back for months) material. Dunno why. This current group of posters likes to go on about topics that should be common sense: i.e. safe-sex, personal protection, hotels. I went to Rio with only knowledge of club/termas names and did very well for myself there. Didn't need advice on hotels, safety, etc. -- I was able to figure that out on my own.
JWadd
Phantomas
Check the yellow pages under terma if you do not have addresses with you.
Here are the main termas:
4x4, 65, Solarium, Monte Carlo, Luomo and Centaurus.
Centaurus is the only one that charges customer upfront.
4x4 and 65 are in Centro and are opened mon thru fri.
4x4 is on Buenos Aires, 44
65 is on Rosario, 65
Only Solarium and Luomo are opened every day.
Solarium is located in Jardim Botanico, Rua JJ Seabra, 21 (pronounced Jota Jota Seabra)
Luomo is in Copa on rua Siqueira Campos conveniently located by new metro station Siqueira Campos. Metro is great way to go to 4x4 and 65.
Monte Carlo is near Luomo on Rua Hilario de Gouveia, 19, near Ave Atlantica
Centaurus is in Ipanema on Rua Canning, 44.
OK now most taxi drivers know where all termas are as several termas pay taxi drivers commission.
At night, go to Help. The terrace in front of Help gets going by 22:30. Help by 1:00 in the morning. Pick garota by 1:30 or wait for best looking ones to come back from first hook after that.
Barbarella is not very good these days so best is to try Help at night.
Day time action:
The beaches is usually weak but garotas do not show up till 15:00.
Meia Petaca is always lame with leftovers.
For lunch best is to get terma girl cell number and get early appointment.
I like Help to pick up out of towners, semi pros and terma girls. Of course if this is your first trip, knowing who is who might be difficult
Rio is real easy for sex as mostly tourists so garotas know how to communicate.
Originally posted by PRBuck
I am going to Rio on May 17th. If anyone would like to hook up, let me know. I have noticed that the exchange rate has really been dropping. I have thought about going to an exchange and buying reals. Any advice? Finally, I know the Brazilian economy has really declined in the past year. Has this had any effect on the talent, one way or another?
Thanks. Hey there. I am a soon to be college grad looking to have some fun down at Rio. I am thinking sometime in May so we can definitely work things out. I have never been there, hopefully you have. Are you thinking of renting a flat or getting hotel? Ok let me know.
Darkseid,
I noticed you talked about Asian guys in Brazil, and was curious...in your opinion...is Sao Paulo or Rio better to pick up the non-prostitutes?
Where do you usually go? The clubs?
Hi guys first time long time. Really appreciated for all the informations on Termas, Help, and Hotels etc in Rio. But can any body post their experiences in the Prive and Massagm places, kind of the typical sequence of events at those place.
Thanks again.
Manson
Originally posted by JWadd
I agree with the post below. The archives have much better content than most of the present (going back for months) material. Dunno why. This current group of posters likes to go on about topics that should be common sense: i.e. safe-sex, personal protection, hotels. I went to Rio with only knowledge of club/termas names and did very well for myself there. Didn't need advice on hotels, safety, etc. -- I was able to figure that out on my own.
JWadd
I couldn't agree more with you, posts that are worth reading are few and far between, most of the recent posts in the Rio section range from boring stuff (safety, apartments...) to those that are sheer misinformation.
I suppose the reason is that not many of the good posters have travelled to Rio recently.
At least we aren't going to be dirturbed again by Sabio advertising his test kits.
Athos,
Great post - you describe the best bits of Rio in a nutshell - with minimal ego massaging (unlike many other posts).
I personally found 4x4 to be the best terma. It's popular with the locals and does not charge high tourist rates like Centurous - v expensive. Luomo is defo worth a visit (reasonably priced with lovely sorts).
If you're taking a taxi, it's worth walking one block back from the beach (less rip off merchants - esp. near othon palace).
Help is paradiso - plenty scope for getting a goad shaggin esp. for R$250 and under (unless you're an aging loser who has more money than sense).
Going to Rio in Sept and will provide updates where appropriate.
DonkeyBoy
PS: Sabio was indeed posting advertising nonsense all over this forum and lookr is an even bigger loser for exchanging dialogue with him.
Thanks Athos!!
Just one more question. Is it really difficult to communicate with girls if you only speak French or English???
Phantomas
Phantomas
French? uh? English? They speak Portuguese over there. Negotiating a program won't be any problem but beyond hello and how are you, communications might be difficult. I speak Portuguese and I have a hard time having any long conversation.
I usually do not like garotas who speak Enlgish.
Rionut,
I usually to to the clubs to pick up non-pro women. There is a list of clubs in www.ipanema.com. The clubs I had the most success was Melo Meloma, NUTH in Barra de Tijuca (not on the ipanema.com list because it is in Barra de Tijuca instead of Copacabana), and Scala. I also take capoeira so I dated a few non-pros in those classes. Capoeira classes are as common in Brazil as Karate classes are in the USA.
darkseid,
Have you tried to pick up in any other cities in Brazil? I'm wondering how Rio compares to places like SP. I know a few paulista friends of mine say that rio girls are REALLY FRIENDLY and easy...but maybe they're thinking "the grass is greener" on the other side.
It's hard to say.
Ransom
Prives and Massagens are straight mp's. You're better off going to termas while in Rio unless you want to save cash.
Prive is mp cheaper version, you pick a girl, get a quick massage followed by sex.
Massagen is the mp more upscale version, you pick a girl, get a quick massage followed by sex.
Sao Paulo has better lineup of mp's and prives from real cheap R$80 to expensive R$300. Rio i don't know the price but you should be looking at R$80 to R$120. Expect lineup in Rio to be very average in the 5.0 range.
Gee, DonkeyBoy:
Two posts and you're already making friends! :)
An interesting article by a guy who sounds like he lost his mind in rio:
http://www.geocities.com/vagabonddayz/My_Brazil.html
Hi Rionut,
The smaller cities like Vitorria and Salvatore, Bahia have friendlier women but none of them speak english. Sao Paulo is a bit more difficult because it is like the New York City of Brazil with stress, businesses, mass transit and all. Rio is more of a resort than Sao Paulo so cariocas and garotas are more relaxed and approachable.
Hi guys. This is my first post in the Rio forum. I usually post on the Seoul, (occasionally) the Queens, NY and (even less frequently) Toronto forums. I’m thinking about heading down to Brazil in the summer for a little vacation. I know most of the posts here have really good information about picking up working girls for paid sex, but I’m more curious about meeting Brazilian women for relationships.
I hear a lot of things about Brazilian women about how passionate lovers they are and I know how beautiful Brazilian girls can be (maybe the most beautiful). But what are they like as girlfriends? Are they easy to hook up with? Are they good in relationships? I’ve come across a few and they seem ultra-nice and friendly – perhaps the friendliest bunch of females I have ever encountered. Is this real and they are the genuinely that nice or is it all an act?
I’m from NYC and, don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my country (I love my city even more), but I’m not the biggest fan of American girls (of all backgrounds) and would like something different and someone more down to earth.
Also, if anyone is familiar with the NYC area, where is the best place to meet Brazilian women here? Heck, are there any (aside from the one or two I’ve encountered) Brazilian girls here?!
Any comments are welcome or e-mail me stud_lee@seductive.com.
One more thing I'd like to add, what's Sao Paulo like for women compared to Rio or the rest of the country? I'm more interested in going to SP than Rio, for some odd reason. Any difference in attitudes? I'm posting it here because it seems like this forum is more active.
Darkseid,
What do the girls in Salvador and Vitoria look like? Is there good chicks to fuck over there?
Do you think it's easier for an Asian guy to pick up non-pros in places like Rio, Salvador, and Vitoria VS Sao Paulo (where they are a lot of Japanese-Brazilians)?
Thanks!
stud_lee . in my opinion and due to my many experiences with brazilian women they can be amazing girlfriends . i am from europe where a lot of the girls are just plain bitchy and it has been a revelation for me to discover the beauty of the brazilian girls . they are so passionate it is incredible . like nothing i have ever experienced from another country .
i know many people here would not agree but you can even meet up with a real nice girl at some of the clubs in copa . many of these girls are professional of course but there are many who go there to meet americans or europeans and money is not the most important to them . a future life with someone they love is .
i have had some amazing experiences with these girls and they have been real girlfriends . i met one there on my last holiday and she is with me now . she is a very sexy, beautiful girl unlike anyone i could possibly meet in my country and she loves me a lot . probably moreso than any girl has loved me before . when i first met her i thought she was too beautiful , that she must make loads of money from the guys visiting rio but it turned out she had only started to work and hated it and was really looking for a man to respect her and love her . she had very bad experiences with brazilian guys so when i came along she fell in love with me because i showed her love and respect .
many of the guys visiting rio are simply sex tourists and treat the girls accordingly but i do it differently and it has paid off big time for me .
Stud_Lee,
The best place to meet a Brazilian chick is at a capoeira class. I not only go to these classes to learn the Brazilian dance martial arts but the beautiful and acrobatic brazillian girls in these classes are a fringe benefit. There are several capoeira classes taught in NYC.
I have a question. I read on these boards of men who have girlfriends in Brazil, and how they are not interested in money, but love. Reading back over the various posts to this effect i have to conclude that its true. My question then is: What is up with Brazilian women vs. Brazilian men? Is it just that there are that many women to go around? Do the people there hold a worldview that is more Americanized and thus view American men more positively? Can someone shed some light for me? I know that this doesn't have to do with mongering directly, but I feel that the better we understand the culture, the more we can get out of it, and not just in a sexual way. As always...
Take it Easy as 1-2-3
Guys, thanks for the responses. I can see why many of us living in the West have fallen in love with Brazilian women and why some keep going back to Brazil.
Antoninho: Thanks a lot for your detailed reply! That’s exactly the kind of information I wanted to hear. I’m looking for a relationship right now with someone loving and caring and with a girl who isn’t into money and not superficial. Your description of Brazilian women fits the bill exactly! I know this is a terrible generalization and you people might criticize me for this, but I just don’t think Western girls are capable of a love relationship these days.
Darkseid: Thanks for your reply as well. Are you from NYC too? Can you give me some suggestions on where to go for capoeira classes? I’m from Queens, so do you know of any classes that are taught here?
Orignially posted by Paxie
Hey there. I am a soon to be college grad looking to have some fun down at Rio. I am thinking sometime in May so we can definitely work things out. I have never been there, hopefully you have. Are you thinking of renting a flat or getting hotel? Ok let me know.
Staying at the Debret. Let me know if it looks like you will be there at that time.
For the other posters, I would be real curious as to whether there have been any significant changes in the talent over the past year or two. Thanks.
Rio Report;
HELP disco; girls there will benefit greatly from help. Emotional and plastic surgery. Many have poor attitude. Vast majority (to my taste) are dogs. A FEW nice ones are there if you have a lot of money and time to kill.
Honestly I have never seen so many ugly girls in a single inside area my entire life. Rio in general does not have an abundance of attractive women. If you go to the Barra Shopping mall you can see a few more attractive women.
One petite Help girl with a nice compact body, butt, tight jeans wanted 300 USD. Too bad her face needed an overhaul.
Did manage to hook up with a couple of nice "Help" girls though I believe there was a mutual physical attraction between us and the girls had had some formal education and were stuck in a situation they did not want to be in.
Girls that hang out at Meia Pataca restaurant are of the Help category with some drug abuse thrown in. You will feel like you are living in a Fellini movie it is that surrealistic, not to mention the folks trying to sell you things. Violent fights between the girls broke out with glass objects flying. One very pregnant girl puffing away on a cigarette and drinking a beeer was the icing on the cake.
Termas tended to have older women and it was stressful to me to be thinking about my watch more than the job at hand.
Colombia is ANOTHER WORLD. Sweet, intelligent, approachable, sexual women ABOUND in every town, every city. University girls looking for some extra funds are not uncommon. See
sofiavergara.com to get a sampling of what awaits.
http://modelos-colombianas.com/ shows so called models BUT these girls are actually quite common. You will think the entire country is a supermodel show. You don't even need hookers there as regular girls are great.
OK, after being with bitchy/masculine american women Brasil girls are a relief, but after being with colombian girls, who needs brasil girls!
Watch the brasil tv news to redefine violence. They have a show devoted to extreme violence called Brasil Urgents, akin to Real TV only a lot more graphic.
The food on ave atlantica mainly sucks. Porcao buffet is excellent though. Fruit juice shakes are also great.
Te adoro Colombiana
Trippleecks
04-16-03, 14:48
humilde, I think you are full of sh_t !!
It sounds like you may have a financial interest in Colombia, do you? Are you a tour guide, a pimp or do you just rent rooms in Cartagena??
I have also been to both places and I do not share you opinion. Thank God you will not be going back. That leaves more for those of us that do like Rio.
I just returned from Rio and I did not experience what you described. I did not like Meia Pataca because there were too few girls there. It also seems like it has been taken over by too many Americans with their loud talking and even louder music.
As for Help Disco, It has always been a tourist rip-off establishment if you ask me. If you were quoted $300US then she must have seen a sucker somewhere in you. They usually start out with $200US and if you just smile and say 200reais you might have a deal. with the Real at about 3.10 to $1.00US even 250reais is still only about $80US
Thermas, with older women, you HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING !!!!!
If you like them under 18 then you won't find what you are looking for in any therma. If that is why you go to Brazil I hope they lock you up and through away the key. Otherwise you can find many beautiful 18 and older women in all of the thermas. Ages usually range fro 18 - 25 or so.
If you just visited Villa Mimosa then you might be correct, many over the hill hookers. work the streets there.
As for the violence. It has been directed at the establishment and the police NOT the tourists.
Nodd_N, let's not waste our time replying to this idiot advertising his Colombian shit. Anyone who has been to Rio will realise he's talking nonsense, there's no need to waste any time or effort with him.
Brasil, Rio Janeiro Te adoro!
After taken two weekend trips to Rio Janeiro during March 2003, I am extremely sure, absolutely certain that GOD is blessing ME. It has allowed me to meet TEN (10) of the most beautiful ladies in the WORLD! Yolanda, Shakira, Bruna, Claudia, Vitoria, Paula, Sandra, Stephanie, and Carla. Three of them have been left crying at the GIG.....I am planning a third trip for the w/e of May 22, 2003. Muito Obrigado to the fine team of Termas Centauro, Discotheque Help, Rio Othon Hotel, Praia Lido Hotel, and Churrasqueria Marius in Leme. Also to all taxi drivers, and Sergio who runs the chair service at he beach in front of Rio Othon for introducing me to additional talent whose names are being forgotten! Shame, shame........If I would have had more batteries in my camera!
It's kinda weird (the post below). Brasil has the best/nicest/horniest women on the planet. Anyone who doesn't know this ain't traveled.
JWadd
I must've been mistaken, but was someone calling Rio dangerous, while promoting colombia as a "safe alternative"?
Your opinions of cariocas are very different from the many, and that is your choice, but to compare violence in Rio to Colombia is ridiculous.
Has anyone here been to any of the balle funk parties in Rio?
Aussie Greg
04-18-03, 13:35
Hi Guy's
I like what I read about the Brazil girls in here, I'm hoping to be in Rio around June 2003.
Never been to South America and carnt speak Porto, that hasnt stopped me before in other country's
What I'd like to know is, I'm only interested in a girl 18 to 22 years, very slim ( in Aussie they call them size 8, model type ) a girl that you could just about put your both hands around her waist !!, tall around 5' 9 and taller, olive skin, long black or blonde hair with big titties. A girl that is made in heaven !! I'm 43
Am I asking for to much !!!!
Also is the Poussada Girassol at Travessa Angrense 25-A and also next door Hotel Angrense any good to stay at, Ive read about them in the Lonley Planet travel book.
I'm planing to stay for about 2 months in Rio or any where else in Brazil and I dont mind meeting and teaming up with just one special girl. Bye to all, happy Easter.
Aussie
Originally posted by stud_lee
Darkseid: Thanks for your reply as well. Are you from NYC too? Can you give me some suggestions on where to go for capoeira classes? I’m from Queens, so do you know of any classes that are taught here?
The list of classes from my organization of capoeira is www.abadacapoeira.com
Humilde,
You didn't know where to go on your trip to Brazil. You went to all the places I ranked on and you didn't mention one place that I gave good reviews about. In fact, Help IS a tourist trap if you don't negotiate but they didn't start me off at $300USD. They usually quote me a price of $120USD before I start talking them down to $80USD. Even during the carnaval season they don't charge $300USD unless you are really fat, butt ugly and a sucker. Help may also have ugly women because any girl can sell their body there if they pay the cover.
As for termas, which ones did you go to and what time of day did you go? When I go to Monte Carlo and Solarium during the afternoon, half of the women are overaged and the other half are gorgeous but during the evening, ALL of the women are better quality and younger. L'uomo, Centaurros, and 4X4 do not hire anyone over 30 years old and they usually range from 18 to 28. These three are the top termas in Brazil and have the best looking and the nicest pros that are eager to please. If you haven't been to these three places, you haven't really experienced the Brazillian termas. Meia Pataca is the same as Help in that you must negotiate and you find a mix of gorgeous and ugly. I got away with a good screw for $40 USD by negotiating.
Originally posted by Easyas123
I have a question. I read on these boards of men who have girlfriends in Brazil, and how they are not interested in money, but love. Reading back over the various posts to this effect i have to conclude that its true. My question then is: What is up with Brazilian women vs. Brazilian men? Is it just that there are that many women to go around? Do the people there hold a worldview that is more Americanized and thus view American men more positively? Can someone shed some light for me? I know that this doesn't have to do with mongering directly, but I feel that the better we understand the culture, the more we can get out of it, and not just in a sexual way. As always...
Take it Easy as 1-2-3
To respond to this question, there are more Brazilian women than Brazilian men. A scientific explanation for this is that smoking causes fewer male sperm to survive than female sperm and therefore more women are born from couples that smoke. Brazil has the highest number of smokers on the planet, even more than Europe and much more than the US where there are so many messages and bans against smoking. Even my non-pro girlfriends smoked cigarettes.
What is up with Brazilian women vs. Brazilian men? Is it just that there are that many women to go around?
The reason is the exceptionally high murder rate amongst young men.
The women bypass this as they're to busy slamming the coochie.
Trippleecks
04-19-03, 01:09
Aussie, if you are going to spend 2 months in Rio, DO NOT STAY IN A HOTEL MAN!!!
You will be paying out your ass for the room..... depending on when you are going, look for an apartment to rent. Much cheaper !!!!!!!!!
There are plenty of places to look. I got mine from www.ez-riorentals.com but there are a lot of places to look.
Aussie Greg
04-19-03, 04:20
Thank very much Nodd_N, will take your advice and look up the address.
Aussie.
Originally posted by Nodd_N
Aussie, if you are going to spend 2 months in Rio, DO NOT STAY IN A HOTEL MAN!!!
You will be paying out your ass for the room..... depending on when you are going, look for an apartment to rent. Much cheaper !!!!!!!!!
There are plenty of places to look. I got mine from www.ez-riorentals.com but there are a lot of places to look.
Hey guys,
I am new to this board. Hopefully, we can have a great exchange of tips & ideas about Rio & the neighboring hoods. I was wondering if anybody have anything to share about escorts on the internet? Sites like Riocontatos, Ciaplus, Intergirls and companygirl look intriguing but I never got to try them. I met a hottie that was listed on one of these websites but by that time we already had our own pricing set! These websites are always running promotions (ie. $100/2hrs or have 4 dates & the 5th date is half off, etc)
As for my tip for others, I am in Rio as i write this & it is a shame because a lot of places are closed because of the Easter holiday. I had a great experience at 4x4 with a little sexual dynamo - she went by Bella on Friday night & the place wont be open again until Tuesday (really sucks!)
Later,
Almotu
Originally posted by darkseid
The list of classes from my organization of capoeira is www.abadacapoeira.com
Yo Dark,
Which location, or day of the week, is the best selection?
1,
Damaja
Sexo Agora
04-21-03, 10:00
"Humilde" was right about the food on Ave Atlantica, though. To get a decent meal you have to get off the Avenue, go to another part of Rio, or at least go towards Ave. N.S. de Copacabana. The cafes along Ave Atlantica are for drinks only, in my opinion (with the possible exception of Sindicato Do Chopp, on the Ipanema end).
The staff of the places on Atlantica mostly have contempt for foreign 'sex tourists'. If you go to Rio enough times, and learn the language, you will begin to see it. Also, some the staff working at Help Disco are the biggest assholes in Brazil, again with much contempt and envy of foreign men. I no longer enter Help, I just hang out at the cafe outside to meet the females. Many of the Brazilian women no longer go inside, as well.
In Copacabana, people will ask you why you came to Brazil. If you grin and say 'for the girls', then they have you pegged as another possible sucker, a 'sex tourist'. Some will then ask you "how many have you had"? The higher the number you give, the less respect they have for you, though they will hide their true opinion. Watch these tricksters, Rio is not the paradise it seems at first. Copa is the hustler capital of Brazil.
Many are not aware of this, but individual prostitution is legal in Brazil, so you get a broad cross-section of the female population involved. That's one reason for the higher overall quality and numbers.
Some earlier posts claimed that terma women are somehow safer or less of a disease risk than women on Ave. Atlantica or at Help. Dream on. The only way to ensure that any woman is disease-free is to take her to the clinic yourself, see the results, then monitor her actions from that day forward.
You have to assume that all sexually active females are potentially infected with something, and take precautions. There are 9-5 office women right in the U.S going around with untreated VD or yeast infections. Forget about rooms full of medical equipment in termas, they are for show. Some terma women also go to Help, walk along Ave. Atlantica, or even work at the R$10 brothels in Centro, depending on their schedule that day. And, do you think these women only have sex with tourists? How about their Brazilian boyfriends back in the neighborhood (or favela)? I'm not saying that Rio women are riskier than others - just ignore the fantasy that there are certified disease-free hookers available there.
Other notes: Also check out the clubs on Rua Prado Junior and Princess Isabel (around Ciccolina's, Barbarellas, or the No Name Bar.) Interesting street scene late at night, better looking women than at Help.
Most clubs and restaurants add a 10% tip to your bill automatically. Some tip a little extra on top of that, but you should know that 10% is already added.
Watch the damn taxi drivers, some are honest, but many try to overcharge. If there is no meter, establish the fare up front, or take a different cab. Official meter fares are higher at night and on Sunday in Rio.
Originally posted by darkseid
Humilde,
You didn't know where to go on your trip to Brazil. You went to all the places I ranked on and you didn't mention one place that I gave good reviews about. In fact, Help IS a tourist trap if you don't negotiate but they didn't start me off at $300USD. They usually quote me a price of $120USD before I start talking them down to $80USD. Even during the carnaval season they don't charge $300USD unless you are really fat, butt ugly and a sucker. Help may also have ugly women because any girl can sell their body there if they pay the cover.
As for termas, which ones did you go to and what time of day did you go?
One I recall was solario, at 15:30.
When I go to Monte Carlo and Solarium during the afternoon, half of the women are overaged and the other half are gorgeous but during the evening, ALL of the women are better quality and younger. L'uomo, Centaurros, and 4X4 do not hire anyone over 30 years old and they usually range from 18 to 28. These three are the top termas in Brazil and have the best looking and the nicest pros that are eager to please. If you haven't been to these three places, you haven't really experienced the Brazillian termas. Meia Pataca is the same as Help in that you must negotiate and you find a mix of gorgeous and ugly.
Gorgeous ?????? Perhaps I went the wrong year?
Thanks
I got away with a good screw for $40 USD by negotiating.
originally posted by nodd_n
humilde, i think you are full of sh_t !!
you are entitled to your opinion as others are, though i see no reason to use profane words towards you or anyone else on this forum. did you perceive my post as a personal attack against you?
it sounds like you may have a financial interest in colombia, do you? are you a tour guide, a pimp or do you just rent rooms in cartagena??
none of the above, sorry.
i have also been to both places and i do not share you opinion. thank god you will not be going back. that leaves more for those of us that do like rio.
enjoy! i recall a post from a guy that lived in brazil then moved to colombia citing the same things i did. just personal choice. several years ago i had a brazilian girlfriend and she was very nice. again, i personally notice a much higher % of good looking gals in colombia.(both pros and non pros) guess you didn't but that is fine.
i just returned from rio and i did not experience what you described. i did not like meia pataca because there were too few girls there. it also seems like it has been taken over by too many americans with their loud talking and even louder music.
as for help disco, it has always been a tourist rip-off establishment if you ask me. if you were quoted $300us then she must have seen a sucker somewhere in you. they usually start out with $200us and if you just smile and say 200 reais you might have a deal. with the real at about 3.10 to $1.00 us even 250reais is still only about $80us
thermas, with older women, you have got to be kidding !!!!!
if you like them under 18 then you won't find what you are looking for in any therma. if that is why you go to brazil i hope they lock you up and through away the key.
nope, not a **** either.
otherwise you can find many beautiful 18 and older women in all of the thermas. ages usually range fro 18 - 25 or so.
if you just visited villa mimosa then you might be correct, many over the hill hookers. work the streets there.
solarium; the gal was good looking but definitely no spring chicken, or perhaps just seemed older from being hardened in that job.
as for the violence. it has been directed at the establishment and the police not the tourists.
can't find the link right now but an insurance underwriter site had a whole bunch of stuff on rio, including armed robbery, forced atm withdrawals, kidnapping, embassy employees assasinated along with the others you mention.
honestly the noticias on tv seem quite similar to that in colombia. substitute favela violence/deaths for civil war related stuff in colombia and really not much different.
Has anyone gone to Ancora do Recreio ? Reviews..
http://www.ancoradorecreio.com.br/atendentes.htm
Hi Damaja,
These three Professors- Boca, Carioca, Muchuiu, study under the same Maestrando- Bom Jesus and have the same abilities and skills because they all became Professors at the same year. I go on Sundays to Bocas because of my tough work schedule and he is a great instructor. These three also charge $15 per class or $200 for 20 classes. Edna is of a higher rank but charges $25 per class or $150 per month. She is an older and more experienced teacher but has less ability due to her age (Won't reveal that) and injuries. She won't teach the acrobatics that the professors will teach but she is good for beginners who need a good introduction to capoeira and she teaches great game strategy.
JoshJosh69
04-22-03, 02:31
Well, I must say, it is a little disheartening to see negative posts about our lovely Rio de Janeiro. Of course everyone has their own opinions based on their experience, but I will always love Rio. I will admit Meia Pataca has gone downhill a little, but that place has been there forever, and this too shall pass. I did manage to get chlamydia the last time, but that is my own fault and I thank my lucky stars that it's all I got. I went away after a week of anti-biotics really quickly and was pretty asymptomatic. But please a reminder to everyone...Just cause the last time you were there and met a 17 year old girl and you didn't do anything about it because of her age, and then you go back 6 months later and she's 18 now, young, hot, etc... does not mean that she wasn't having sex with anyone when she was 17. Virginal she's not. I momentarilly forgot that and took my chances without a condom. Again, I am thankful the God gave me a strong warning about going without a condom again. So again, please be careful, don't pay the girls too much, just give them the going rate and treat them well and Rio will continue to be good to us. And yeah...stop by the Professor Bar on Prado Junior and meet the Professor a fantastic man.
Argentina vs Brazil Where does a guy go who does not speak the lanuage go to have a good time. I am not looking for a girl friend but I am generous and like be around beutiful women, but also like to be able to spend a few weeks and see alot of hot bodies with out running out my savings.
Btw, posted the same response in BA forum
You really don't need to speak the language for you to have fun, it does help to meet/converse with people, but it's not that necessary. The guys I've met up in BA or Rio, and do not speak a word of spanish nor portuguese, have always defended themselves very well with chicas. Also, you'll find some a few locals that speak english fairly well
You'll definately find beautiful, friendly women in both countries but in IMHO, I find Brasilian women to be more passionate and humble than Argentinas. As for hot bodies, go to Rio and check the beaches.
I agree, Elvis, although speaking the language does help in scoring with the ladies, Brazilians accomodate you with sign language (unlike the French that absolutely HATE speaking english and are only friendly to you if you speak french).
Hi, anyone got any experience with the girls from the escort agency Loren Models in Rio?
is the difference between "normal" and "vip" chicks really that big to justify the overprice?
thanks a lot!
Originally posted by darkseid
I agree, Elvis, although speaking the language does help in scoring with the ladies, Brazilians accomodate you with sign language (unlike the French that absolutely HATE speaking english and are only friendly to you if you speak french).
Well, I speak French, and I can assure you that the French hate everyone who isn't French. You wouldn't believe some of the shit I went through in that country because of my "imperfect" Francias. Incroyable!
darkseid and stud_lee,
I would second to your thoughts on French. I've been in Paris and other ciities in France several times. They are simply single track minded and bias-centric people, especially towards Americans.
Originally posted by daugface
Argentina vs Brazil Where does a guy go who does not speak the lanuage go to have a good time. I am not looking for a girl friend but I am generous and like be around beutiful women, but also like to be able to spend a few weeks and see alot of hot bodies with out running out my savings.
I am quoteing my self. I am bad. What I trying to ask is which countryd do I get the most bang for my buck. I heard you can have a almost perfect 10 for the night in Brazil for 100.00 . Is that true? What about Argentina?
daugface
Hit and run is the norm in Brasil. You have to negotiate for TLN. ST can be anywhere from 40 min to 4 hours.
Price of a program is typically R$200. Quality of sex is what makes Brasil unique. Garotas know how to fuck and put to shame North American concept of sex.
Athos,
Sorry but I don't know the lingo yet - what is TLN & ST?
Re: "Garotas know how to fuck and put to shame North American concept of sex."
Truer words were never spoken. The Brazilian culture is refreshingy devoid of socioreligious hang-ups about sex, and they take their pleasure very seriously.
It is the first country I have ever been to where you get flak for needing a breather now and again between rounds.
Try explaining to a garota that often a North American girl does not want sex, and watch her eyes turn into tea cups. Wonderful sight, they just can't fathom this concept... Inconceivable.....
BB
BeachBoy,
"watch her eyes turn into tea cups." what a great image you have just painted, wow!
Almotu
Joshjosh,
Lol! You're on point in your analogies abot Brazil and the mongering thereof. Most of the fine & fit Brazilian women that the guys here met in Brazil were probably from the favelas. Which happen to be the most violent, dangerous and impoverished communities in the democratic western world. Brazil has the # 1 highest murder rate in the world for countries not officially at war. Hence, such is the background of most brazilian women who play for pay.
On diseases: common sense would dictate Brazilian sex workers(fine as they are) have exaggerated rates of hiv and other diseases.Hence,let's say one walks into a seedy Brazilian bar with let's say 15 women for hire. Maybe 4 or them will be hiv positive, 3 have chlaymidia, 2 will have herpes. So it pays to wear that condom. Yet still, condoms break and there are no bloody guarantees mates. A few minutes of pleasure can lead to years of suffering, pain and death.
chacho
Almotu,
Garotas are very possessive, even competitive. So when they ask if I am with someone else back home, I tell them "no" and that the girls in USA don't like sex that much. This has the desired effect of garota expressing shock and disbelief, then throwing herself at you in a full blooded attempt to make up for all cruel denial of passion I have suffered in the States. The more I tell her how cold and frigid the girls are, the more garota goes bat shit and tries to set things straight with due feminine attention ;)
Try it some day. See what happens. Practice the look of utter disappointment as you tell her.
BB
Originally posted by Almotu
Athos,
Sorry but I don't know the lingo yet - what is TLN & ST?
"TLN " stands for "Toda la noche", meaning "whole night". If both of you really hit it off, she might want to hang around well into the afternoon.
"ST" means "Short Time", which usually runs between 1 to 2 hours.
Bandy
JoshJosh69
04-26-03, 01:38
PLEASE STOP PAYING THE GIRLS 200 REALS. EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENS, IT RAISES THE PRICE FOR ALL OF US. 150 REALS IS THE MAX. STOP DOING THE 200 THING, OTHERWISE, 2YEARS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE ASKING FOR 400 REALS. 150, PERIOD
A point well made, but please try to refrain from posting in all capital letters in the future.
Thanks,
Jackson
This is not an ad. I came across this web address one night. http://riofantasy.com/. Would you this service? It sound good or would you do things yourself?
Originally posted by daugface
This is not an ad. I came across this web address one night. http://riofantasy.com/. Would you this service? It sound good or would you do things yourself?
Only if you're a greenhorn and a greenhorn about it. I went solo with just the benefit of this web site and had a great time, every time. You really don't need to wast your money with that guide service. there's plenty of Gringos from various countries you can meet at Meia Petaca to get some current ideas.
LAGNAF
Originally posted by daugface
This is not an ad. I came across this web address one night. http://riofantasy.com/. Would you this service? It sound good or would you do things yourself?
Although I haven't used their services, I can only tell you that's a rip-off. A 5 day/4 night package for 1 person is $3,050. They must be smoking something !!! That's way too much money.
I can arrange my own itinerary and spend less than $1,500 during an entire week, not just a few days.
Originally posted by Elvis
Although I haven't used their services, I can only tell you that's a rip-off. A 5 day/4 night package for 1 person is $3,050. They must be smoking something !!! That's way too much money.
I can arrange my own itinerary and spend less than $1,500 during an entire week, not just a few days.
Elvis, I do not expect you to be a travel agency, but if you find some time could you email me at bill263@aol.com and tell me how? What ever details you can provide. If you do I will buy you a drink.
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Originally posted by darkseid
I agree, Elvis, although speaking the language does help in scoring with the ladies, Brazilians accomodate you with sign language (unlike the French that absolutely HATE speaking english and are only friendly to you if you speak french).
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Well, I speak French, and I can assure you that the French hate everyone who isn't French. You wouldn't believe some of the shit I went through in that country because of my "imperfect" Francias. Incroyable!
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Beware,
Maybe the attitude you get is a response to your attitude (I say that in general, it's nothing personnal). If you expect them to just shut up and be your servant, you have it wrong. And be happy, it's still a safe place to go, there is not terrorism from there yet.
Keep it cool in the world and people will be nicer.
Zeb, this is a forum about a specific subject, not for some "would-like-to-be-Rumsfeld like you to warm up a subject that already should be burried. give peace a chance man, and remember that the ones with the biggest cars are the ones with the smallest Würstels.
Zeb, I found that the French hate Americans and British people most. Since I am Chinese by skin, they thought I was from China and they served me before they served a group of American tourist. Imagine if I spoke English, they would have made me wait like they made the American tourist wait but instead I spoke my imperfect francais got away with it.
When did this Rio board become such a waste of time?? It's sad -- Rio deserves better than the junk posted here.
JWadd
Originally posted by zebulon
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Originally posted by darkseid
I agree, Elvis, although speaking the language does help in scoring with the ladies, Brazilians accomodate you with sign language (unlike the French that absolutely HATE speaking english and are only friendly to you if you speak french).
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Well, I speak French, and I can assure you that the French hate everyone who isn't French. You wouldn't believe some of the shit I went through in that country because of my "imperfect" Francias. Incroyable!
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Beware,
Maybe the attitude you get is a response to your attitude (I say that in general, it's nothing personnal). If you expect them to just shut up and be your servant, you have it wrong. And be happy, it's still a safe place to go, there is not terrorism from there yet.
Keep it cool in the world and people will be nicer.
That's a pretty arrogant statement to make considering you don't know any of us or the situations we were in. Sometimes people are just rude to tourists. Simple as that.
People, don't respond anymore to his arrogant drivel...
To all NYC area Garotaphiles!
Sorry about the post below. Back to the topic. I just found out about a Brazilian bar on 31st in the Long Island City section of Queens. It’s called Scala. I’m thinking of checking it out later this week to see if it’s worthwhile. If it’s any good, maybe some of us NYC area Brazilian women lovers can go there one evening and try to hook up with some local Brazilian talent! What do you guys think?
You can e-mail me at stud_lee@seductive.com.
Thanks!
JWadd, I agree with you 100%. All this rhetoric and discourse is sicking and a sad state of affairs.
Originally posted by JWadd
When did this Rio board become such a waste of time?? It's sad -- Rio deserves better than the junk posted here.
JWadd
Yeap, it makes me so sad when I read all this "hate" words. :-(((
Back to Venus and forget Mars please.
Trippleecks
04-28-03, 14:28
daugface, daugface, daugface, $3,050.US for a week is WAY TOO much to spend..
First off the girl the use on their web site's home page is a Therma Girl. She can be yours at the therma including entrance fees and room for about 200reais.. $67.US
Airfare should be less than they allow $800.US. From NYC you should be paying about $600.US R/T
An apartment for 5 nights should cost about $250.US for a nice 1 bedroom apartment near the beach.
Meals allow yourself about $100.US for the 5 nights.
Ride from the airport about $14.US.
Cell Phone rental 5 nights, $25.US
Tour the sites they mention $30.US
English speaking guides can be hired for about 40reais an hour, more or less. Depending on where you want them to take you. So lets say you spend 100reais a day on a guide. = 500.reais or about $167.US
Totaling $1,253.US
Now all you have to do is hook up with a young lady or Ladies for your stay and you're in..... at far less than you would spend with Rio Fantasy.
Even if you spend another $200.US a day on girls (which might be difficult to do) = $1,000.US you still save about $800.US
daugface,
Nodd_N is right, the kinda looks like my expenses- I don't get guides though.
Since it's his first time, expect to pay a bit more. Curiosity to visit as many places ! Well, I do that.
Also, since it's your first time, don't forget to include the $100 visa cost.
You'll love it down there !
Anybody,
I want to use a cell phone that next time I travel in Brazil.
I would like to be able to make & receive calls in both Sao Paulo & Rio.
I would prefer to pay less than $R1.00 per minute on calls because that's about what the hotels charge to call cell phones & land lines.
Should I buy a cell phone? which is a good carrier? TIM, Oi, Vivo or BCP?
WHAT is the rental situation?
Obrigado,
Almotu
LISTEN-UP ALL YOU BRASIL SOMETIMERS:
I'm going down there Sept. 5-ish through Nov. 20-ish to look into a few long-time ideas have about setting up in Rio -- buying property, looking into club-rental arrangements, etc.
I could use a few old-timers down there to rally with for a few days during the scouting.
Give me an email if these dates work for you.
JWadd
jwadd88@yahoo.com
Guys:
Just found a great upto date guide for the Rio adventures. Lots of information, especially suitable for newbees.
Bwana Dik's Rio Guide 2003
http://www.brazil-sex.net/index2.html
Bandy
Great link, Bandy. Thanks.
JW
Originally posted by Almotu
Anybody,
I want to use a cell phone that next time I travel in Brazil.
I would like to be able to make & receive calls in both Sao Paulo & Rio.
I would prefer to pay less than $R1.00 per minute on calls because that's about what the hotels charge to call cell phones & land lines.
Should I buy a cell phone? which is a good carrier? TIM, Oi, Vivo or BCP?
WHAT is the rental situation?
Obrigado,
Almotu Some hotels may rent cell phones (I did that in BA once, at the new Hilton). TIM has recently installed GSM coverage in both Rio and SP and works well in both. If you can rent or borrow a tri-band GSM handset in your home town, you can bring it down and get a 'pay as you go' SIM card from TIM (I think it's about 1 real per minute, but there would be a 40-50 real account setup). You will either need to speak Portuguese or bring someone who does. I haven't used the others so can't help you there. Hope this helps.
I am going back in two weeks, will arrive May 17th. Anyone interested in hooking up let me know.
Jony Vegas
05-03-03, 21:50
I will be in Rio from May 16th - May 23rd. If anyone will be there at that time and would like to share some stories and notes leave a message here and we can hook up.
J Wadd - thanks for the info on the regarding the hotel.
Vegas
The BEST option is to bring your own UNLOCKED GSM phone down to Rio. Most people that have a GSM cellular phone from the USA have it 'locked' by their carrier. You can't use a SIM card from the country you are in if you don't get it 'unlocked'.
I chose to go on Ebay and buy an unlocked GSM phone. I selected a Sony Ericsson GSM phone and it is great! The phone came unlocked and ready to use. I got a SIM card from a buddy that bought one in a 2 for 1 special. He got 2 SIM cards for R$40 at the Tim store in Rio Sul mall. The SIM came with some credits. Then you can go to various places like lottery offices (I went to one in Copacabana). You tell them how much you want. The store I went to had R$20 and R$35 and higher refills. I opted for the R$35 refill. They print out your code on a lottery ticket like paper and you call a # and enter it in your phone. You should note the instructions are in Portuguese when you call so you might have a little difficulty.
The rates are pretty good. I used my phone a lot but there must be some promotion with the SIM card purchased. When I left Rio I still had R$32 left. You can call *222 on your cellphone and they will tell you how many credits you have left. I always had a strong signal wherever I went. You also can set up voicemail. The cool thing about TIM is that the credits you buy last 3 months so you don't have to be in a hurry to use the credits. Save them for a future trip.
TIM and Oi are the two GSM carriers in Rio. I see no reason to use Oi since TIM had such good coverage. Incoming calls are FREE just like the rentals! Those rentals are crap for the most part. The phones are big and bulky and the service isn't that good. The best thing is that now I have a local Rio # that I will always be able to use when I go down there.
I'm intrigued that no one has thought of a business to buy these SIM chips in bulk and sell them to hombres in the USA heading down to Rio. I may look into it. Good luck.
Saint
hey saint
how much was the gsm phone you bought on ebay?
H.
Originally posted by saint
The BEST option is to bring your own UNLOCKED GSM phone down to Rio. Most people that have a GSM cellular phone from the USA have it 'locked' by their carrier. You can't use a SIM card from the country you are in if you don't get it 'unlocked'.
I chose to go on Ebay and buy an unlocked GSM phone. I selected a Sony Ericsson GSM phone and it is great! The phone came unlocked and ready to use. I got a SIM card from a buddy that bought one in a 2 for 1 special. He got 2 SIM cards for R$40 at the Tim store in Rio Sul mall. The SIM came with some credits. Then you can go to various places like lottery offices (I went to one in Copacabana). You tell them how much you want. The store I went to had R$20 and R$35 and higher refills. I opted for the R$35 refill. They print out your code on a lottery ticket like paper and you call a # and enter it in your phone. You should note the instructions are in Portuguese when you call so you might have a little difficulty.
The rates are pretty good. I used my phone a lot but there must be some promotion with the SIM card purchased. When I left Rio I still had R$32 left. You can call *222 on your cellphone and they will tell you how many credits you have left. I always had a strong signal wherever I went. You also can set up voicemail. The cool thing about TIM is that the credits you buy last 3 months so you don't have to be in a hurry to use the credits. Save them for a future trip.
TIM and Oi are the two GSM carriers in Rio. I see no reason to use Oi since TIM had such good coverage. Incoming calls are FREE just like the rentals! Those rentals are crap for the most part. The phones are big and bulky and the service isn't that good. The best thing is that now I have a local Rio # that I will always be able to use when I go down there.
I'm intrigued that no one has thought of a business to buy these SIM chips in bulk and sell them to hombres in the USA heading down to Rio. I may look into it. Good luck.
Saint I'm not sure OI has GSM coverage in SP yet, TIM works great as Saint noted.
I paid about $225 for a brand new Sony Ericsson phone with shipping. You can usually get one around $150 - $180 US. Just make sure you buy it from a reputable seller and make sure it is UNLOCKED. A good model is the T39m and T68i Sony Ericsson.
Before you buy one on Ebay. If you already have a GSM phone from your local carrier. See if you can get the unlock code from them. Demand it. Some still won't provide it unless you've been with them till the end of your contract or a long time. Good luck.
** Also, remember this might not make sense for the average guy just going down a few days or that doesn't go down to Rio that often. If this is the case a rental will be much cheaper. Guys like Bobby at BlameItonRio4travel rent cell phones for R$15 a day. The SIM card purchase makes sense for someone that goes down there a few times a year.
What is the best phone option for someone down there only for a week who wants to make only a few calls back to the States just to "check in". Pardon the ignorance of this question, but would a SIM card allow you to receive calls on your own cellphone?
Thanks.
saint
thanks for the info. i have also appreciated your informative posts in the past.
i rented a phone the two times i was down there. i haven't switched over to GSM yet.
h.
CaptainNemo
05-05-03, 18:06
There are 3 major wireless standards in the world. GSM (T-Mobile, AT&T, Cingular), CDMA (Verizon and Sprint) and TDMA(AT&T and Cingular). CDMA works only in US, some of Mexico and South Korean. TDMA is on its way out. Most of TDMA services is upgrading their network to GSM. It only works in North American and majority of South American. GSM works about everywhere except Japan.
There are 3 frequencies used in GSM world. There are 1900 MHz, 1800 MHz and 900MHz. The 850MHz is adding to the standard for US and some Caribbean countries. GSM 1900 is used by US and majority of South American Countries. GSM 1800 and GSM 900 are used by the rest of world. When Brazil decided to launch GSM service, it selected GSM 1800.
When you buy GSM handset, please make sure that it supports GSM1900, GSM 1800 and GSM 900. If you have international roaming, your mobile service will work everywhere your service provider has roaming agreement with. If you were in Rio, your boss can still reach you by calling your normal phone number. That’s the beauty of GSM. Your boss thought you were sick at home.
In the US, T-Mobile and AT&T have the best roaming available around global. Check out this site http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml for GSM coverage around world.
GSM keeps you in touch with all of girls you met around the global.
Sexo Agora
05-06-03, 23:19
Recently, I noticed a lot of action at a cafe called Balcony on the north end of Av. Atlantica, 2 streets before you reach Prado Junior. Some of the regulars at Terraco Atlantico talked about going there as well. I guess it is a new evening pickup spot, competing with Meia Pataca and Terraco A.
And a note for the new guys: remember, don't overpay. At Help or the cafes, most girls will go for 100 - 150 Reais. Two hundred at the most. They may quote a high price initially, but if they are leftover after 1am, they will bargain. During the day or for a quick hit, they will take less than 100. The ones standing by the cars can be had for 50 - 60 Reais usually.
Pariah
That was funny!
But, I could also say, why don't you start by reading all the previous posts, there is a wealth of info there, just about everything has been said multiple times.
Hope this isn't taken as a flame, I got a chuckle out of the phone-
mart crack!
H.
Hooky,
Thanks man, I know I just read afew posts and said "Whats up?"I hope its not taken as a flame, we're all in the same game, right?
p
Turbolover
05-08-03, 07:22
Most respectable Rio mongers,
First opportunity to spend a week in S. America is coming up, I am torn between BUENOS AIRES and RIO for mongering and overall good experience with non-mongering opportunities. I have lurked both threads for awhile, and learned that both are very fun, but no comparison between the two S.American mongering capitals. Anybody care to chime in an opinion?
xthrax,
stop wasting energy on deciding between the two and start figuring out how to do both in 7-8 nights. it's very easy and not more expensive, i do it all the time.
Re: Rio vs BA
You have to do both. I recommend a week in each place to get the rhythm down and know your way around. Start with BA. (Because Rio might just kill ya.)
BsAs is like a sophisticated city in Southern Europe. The girls are dressed up like models, -it feels like unwrapping presents at Christmas time. The scene there invites lots of looking, talking and socializing. Like a long, extended foreplay before getting down to business.
The girls look predominantly white skinned and European, though with a Mediterranean sun drenched quality. The cultural level is high, lots to do and see accompanied by your private model.
Rio is like a huge beach colony. Everyone goes there in the day, then retreats to the bars and clubs at night. Clothes come off faster, and they are skimpier and less sophisticated than in BA. The atmosphere is carnal. Sex hangs in the air like a heavy scent, -direct, overt, unapologetic. You don't wait to unwrap your candy, it is already waving you in the face.
The girls are a little darker, with every shade imaginable. Most blondes are bleached, or at least streaked. Many would qualify as nymphomaniacs by US standards. Rio is about the beach and fucking.
Either way you like your sex, served as a 3-course meal, or the fast food way, you will not come home the same man. Either place will spoil you rotten to the core.
BB
JoshJosh69
05-09-03, 17:04
A question that I believe I know the answer to but would like some confirmation.
I have been to Rio many times (the last being last December), and recently the New York Times has been writing articles on the drug gangs in Rio and really writing that things have been getting dangerous and hurting tourism. I am from New York City and understand that Rio can be a dangerous place, however...has anyone noticed any difference? Has it been getting worse that it effects us the mongerers?
Whazzaaaaap Josh:
Well, in my experience during Carnaval, I felt quite safe. But that was only because there was a HUGE military presence in Copacabana.
The other thing to do is to walk around looking exactly like you know where you're going, and that you're absolutely not going to take crap from anyone.
Basically, I acted the same way in Manhattan last year & nobody bothered me then, either! :)
As for the mongers, we usually don't go to where the fighting is, namely the "favelas" or slums. You'll see these towns built up along the hillsides, and you'll smell them well before you get to them.
If you're from NYC, I'd think you should have no trouble in Rio.
Party on!
I concur with Lookr,
I spent a week in Rio @ Carnaval and wandered the streets both alone, with mi amigo, and with chicas, at all hours - literally- midnight - 8AM, Oh yea sometimes even in the daylight ;) I went places maybe a tourista should not at 4AM (the streets behind and aside of Franks for instance) and got a couple of strange looks but no bad body language or threats. Also like Lookr - hey you followin me man? - I did the same thing in Manhattan around Christmas /New Years and found the two cities to be somewhat similar in how people look at a large white man alone at 3 in the AM. NOBODY in Rio wants to scare off the touristas. Act smart, be respectful and party on!
Originally posted by JoshJosh69
A question that I believe I know the answer to but would like some confirmation.
I have been to Rio many times (the last being last December), and recently the New York Times has been writing articles on the drug gangs in Rio and really writing that things have been getting dangerous and hurting tourism. I am from New York City and understand that Rio can be a dangerous place, however...has anyone noticed any difference? Has it been getting worse that it effects us the mongerers?
Hey guys, NYC isn't dangerous at all. I know cuz I live here! Never had any problems. NY is not the same as it was 15 years ago and people keep forgetting that.
Josh, know of any place to find garotas in the tri-state area? I'm hitting up some "Brazilian" club called Scala in Astoria this week-end. Anyone heard of it?
stud_lee@seductive.com
We have been in Rio for 10 days and have had no crime problems so far. We have walked all over Copa and el centro plus rode the metro and the bus without hassels. It feels safe here.
If anyone would like to learn some sex related Portuguese to talk dirty with the ladies theres a guy with a website about how to do it. Its www.howtospeakportuguese.com. For example: sit on my face, or I want tongue you all over; etc. Its really helpful.
Trippleecks
05-10-03, 15:03
The trouble is between the police and the gangs. If you notice all of the trouble has been very late at night when most of the tourists are long since asleep. I have even read that the gang leaders have handed down specific orders that no tourists are to be injured. I don't think even they want to get the army involved in this shit. Now that Rio has a new Security Cheif things might get a lot better. If not then the army just might get involved.
I'm off topic, but NYC is dangerous. Try saying that s... when you're in Prospect Park, Flatbush or some parts of the Bronx.
Manhattan is much safer than a few years ago.
hey bayboy
did you actually buy the portuguese CD? it sounds interesting and possibly useful.
how long will you be in rio?
h.
to Hooky: my buddy bought the cd and we listened to a little bit of it. Its very clear and concise the pronunciation of the Portuguese, but we have not listened to all of it because we're still in Rio, at least until tonite when we go back to the Bay Area.
It is very funny and made us laugh alot. So long.
Hey dudes,
I posted this in the Buenos Aires section, but got no reply. I'l try my luck here.
Help!!
I got turned onto these SA cities from a post on another website.
I have never been to either BA or Rio but curiosity is going to get the best of me, soon. I have looked some website, but my head is now spinning. For canada, the websites are the way to go, but in the middle east, it was the bars/discos.
There are some real hobbyists on this board, so I'm sure you guys can answer this off the top of your head:
1. What would you say the average cost of a week in BA or Rio may be, including airfare, apartment (nice, average), ladies (one a day maybe two)?
2. How is the experience with website girls. Are they worth the additional cost?
3. Which is better , Rio or BA, for girls and cost?
I am a newbie with limited experience in Dubai and Canada. It seems as if going to these cities may cost less than a week in Toronto or Montreal.
Please help!
Cambodia Pro
05-14-03, 02:54
Originally posted by badass
3. Which is better , Rio or BA, for girls and cost?
I am a newbie with limited experience in Dubai and Canada. It seems as if going to these cities may cost less than a week in Toronto or Montreal.
Please help!
WARNING TO BADASS!!!!
Do not go to Rio. If you think Canada is great. Rio will blow you away so much you may petition political asylum in Rio to stay there forever. IT IS THAT GOOD!!!
The quality and quantity in Rio is almost unmatched other than in Asia (Cambodia/Thailand/Phillipines in that order)
Airfare should be about $600 to $800 fromm anywhere in the world.
Budget a total vacation for $2500 for 10 days (two fuks every day) includes airfare, hotel and food.
I second Cambodia Pro. The question's a no-brainer.
'Nuff said,
JWadd
Badass,
No offense but why don't you take the time to actually read all the great information on this board that gentlemen have taken the time to post. All your questions will be answered and a good comparison can be made. Good luck.
As my pittance of a severance package wanes thin, and I consider cashing out my 401(k), I've been humoring my Muse who beckons me to Rio.
If high season (namely, Carnaval & New Years) is so expensive in Rio it costs $12 for a bag of groceries that'd cost $50 here in Silly-Conned Valley (and that's high season, too, so imagine what low season's like!), I see no real reason to remain here in California.
No jobs, twisted women, whacked cost-of-living ... all these add up to a recipe for disaster here in San Jose. Wow, I've hit some gnarly crossroads in my life before, but never like this.
-- L
Yah lookr, I'm thinking about making the same leap. Great big houses can be had just north of Rio for about 30k U.S. I'm going down there in September for 2 months to check it out. Maybe we can meet up in Rio or S.J. (I'm from Palo Alto).
Lemme know,
JWadd
jwadd88@yahoo.com
Lookr,
Actually a few weeks ago I met a few guys that are in your shoes. They were layed off from their jobs, got severance packages and couldn't find jobs. Some of them sold their houses and personal belongings and were living down there cheap. Some of them are even collecting unemployment and said they only had to go online to "check in" with the State.
Yes it definitely is cheaper living down there than in California but not cheaper if you plan on hobbying all the time and seeing lots of girls. The reality is that most of us couldn't live down in Rio for an extended period of time and live the same as when we are there on vacation. It's hard for an American to find a job down there.
Yes, there are some cheaper places outside of the city but most of the nice pads in good parts of town are still high to buy. But if you don't have to worry about a house here in the USA, can't find a job and want to live cheap it sounds like a good plan. I was really envious of the guys living down there but one of them I talk to is planning on coming back soon. All that hobbying adds up don't you know.
Good luck.
lookr,
During the high season, x-mas through Carnaval, lots of girls from other parts go to Rio for vacation and work part time make a little bit on the side. If you speak a little bit of Portuguese it can be lots of fun. Either season, you can't lose.
As far as buying houses down there, I would only consider buying an apartment. There are decent neighborhoods in Rio between Copacabana and Centro such as Botafogo. A Brazilian friend just bought a 2 bed room apartment in a nice complex for R120K in Botafogo close to the Metro station.
Wango
JustGotBack
05-15-03, 05:13
Originally posted by saint
of girls. The reality is that most of us couldn't live down in Rio for an extended period of time and live the same as when we are there on vacation. It's hard for an American to find a job down there.
Good luck.
You obviously don't live in California. I've thought often about moving down to Brazil or Argentina. Even spending as much as I do during vacation, it would still be cheaper than living in California. Not by much, but it still would be cheaper.
The plan's not really that expensive. Buy you a little house, get some wheels, and screw. It's sooooo easy to get laid down there. Besides, hobbying outside of Rio/S.P. is about 15 dollars a girl. I must have killed at least 50 of them at that price. And they were all fine, too.
Those girls love Americans. They VOLUNTEERED to do things to me that American girls wouldn't do 99% of the time (even on your birthday). I don't want to retire there. Just want to take an extended recess. Life's for living.
A guy could wing the thing on credit cards alone. 2 years rent, pussysuckyfucky! and ka-bang: It's 2006. I come back 30K in debt. No big deal.
JWadd
King of Rio
05-16-03, 01:24
This is my first post on this site. This is an excellent site. Awesome, awesome, awesome. Well-organized and up-to-date. Jackson, keep up the good work. Thanks to all participants contributing information.
Lookr,
I will advice against moving down here permanently without any business plans. If you already have a concrete plan that will earn you some cash through investments, then Brasil is an excellent choice. Cost of living in Brasil is cheaper than in the United States (especially when you factor in the current exchange rate), remember that the dollar is weakening against the real due to the increase in investments, and foreign currencies pouring into Brasil. Europeans seem to have taken a keen interest in Brasil and have been supplying the dollar at a steady pace. Also, inflation is not a very steady thing in Brasil. I know you were comparing all those prices, but those prices can easily jump (an example is the inflation crises that occurred in late 80s). Bus fare, food, and commodities increase in a much faster rate than in the U.S where the inflation is steadier. If you are coming for a long term stay. Come with a set plan to invest and just reap the benefits. There are lot of opportunities in Brasil and most Brasilians cannot take advantage of it due to lack of capital.
Jwadd
Especially, concerning real estate.. there is a lot of money to be made in Rio. All you have to do is take out your time to REALLY look. Therefore, if you have about 30k you should maybe think about investing it in an apartment (in a good location) that will be valued more in about 2 years as opposed to a house in the North Rio where things are calmer. Brasil’s position as a developing country means that there are tons of areas still not totally valorized but that will be in a few years.
Jonny-Vegas
I am here in Copacabana and speak Portuguese fluently. I am more into the non-pro action. You can contact me when you arrive here.
Kingofrio(NO SPAM)@hotmail.com of course delete the (NO SPAM)
Viva O Brasil
Originally posted by Elvis
I'm off topic, but NYC is dangerous. Try saying that s... when you're in Prospect Park, Flatbush or some parts of the Bronx.
Manhattan is much safer than a few years ago.
Sorry this is OT, but I had to respond to this.
Actually, I occasionally went to the Bronx (Hunts Point, which isn't a good neighborhood) for work. I live in Queens. Never had any problems anywhere in the city, not even in the bad parts. NYC isn't that bad anymore. I don't get why people still think like that. If you want dangerous, go to Detroit, DC or Atlanta. Heck, I've been mugged in Canada, which is supposedly "safe".
Jwadd: I'm really curious about your plan and I've asked you a few questions; you've got mail.
King of Rio -- excellent idea. I never thought of investing in real estate. My plan was to open a trance lounge a la San Francisco and just live and party down there for 3-5 years (acquiring a residence along the way) and leaving when the club goes bust. At least I'd get a house/apartment out of it that I could crash in when in-country.
I grew up in Hawaii, so I saw first-hand the hyper-valuation of real estate process during the late 70s early 80s. Hmmmm. No what? Hawaii's boost came from Japanese investment, much like the boost Europe is giving to Brasil. Hmmm. Thanks again.
Stud_lee: I'll check my email in a day or so. I'll get back to you ASAP.
Jackson (WSG Moderator): I'm aware of your growing concern over back-channel communications. As always, I re-post the crux of any interesting email conversations on this board, and endeavor to keep everyone in on the game. Thanks for your patience and (as always) hard work.
Smiles and high-fives to all,
JWadd
JWadd,
You've got the right idea & if you got other hobbyists involved it could blow up big. I don't know how much it costs to run a trance club or terma but wouldn't it be awesome to run a hobbyist friendly establishment? motel/hotel that dont charge girl fees! A terma like Monte Carlo or quattro y quattro?
I remember one night going to a place in Sao Paulo called the Millennium Club. There were a dozen girls being given a tour of the place to see if they want to work there! This place was in the burbs - like $R25 taxi from the Jardins. But a real high tech hotel/club/brothel. Everything can be paid by credit card. You meet the girl in the strip & you upstairs to fuck in the hotel part. There's a spa, sauna, hair salon, gift shop & restaurant right there. You don't have to leave! The girls could have been better on the night that I went but since I am not a big drinker - I only spent $R280 on credit card. $R80 entry fee & $R200 for the girl for 1 hour.
If I had the money, I would invest in a place like this!
Good Luck to all,
Almotu
spent 5 days in Rio in May, here's my humble report on things that many do already know, and on things that some might want to know.
First of all don't ask me about Help cuz i wasn't in there. I'm probably the only foreigner in this forum that has never been inside. I really wanted but there were always circumstances that made me choose a different place to spend the rest of the night (not only in bed!!! :) ).
Ok, for whom is fed up with Help and the Terraco Atlantico right beside there's the option of the north end of Copacabana. Between the hotel Copacabana Palace and Meridien there's an open bar with a huge amount of girls, all available (except some gringas with Nike sandals that have lost themselves there), and for much less money than in Help. The good thing about this bar is that it has way less older gringos so the athmosfere is pretty much like in a joyfull bar. You can sit outside on the terrace-table (like in front of Help) but that made contact less easy, so i chose to stay at the counter mixing with the bunch. I got a proposal by a girl to accompany her to a club where you switch couples; for free, but said no cuz it wasn't my thing and i had another target sitting next to me. Other time i met a girl, bahiana type, smiling all the time. we drank a lot and then she took me to a club and to a Forro Disco before finally concluding in my apt. Awesome night! if you have the occasion ask the girl if she wants to go to a "normal" discoteque, you won't regret it, brazilians are the party nation N.1..
i noticed also a whole bunch of hot looking girls in rua Duvivier and Prado Junior (it's all nearby Copacabana Palace).
Before walking to Help, check out the Streetwalkers on the whole lenght of Copacabana, some are really worth a look (and maybe something else), although i'm not happy with the idea of getting laid with someone that may have been f...ed by someone else an hour ago....
final remarks to add something polemic to my report:
- JWadd, King, StudLee,...with all respect, i think there's a special forum about Rio real estate, so i think talking about moving your bum to Brazil in this part of the forum is off-subject here. tanksalot!
- I noticed something very common to U.S. citizens in Rio. Who teaches them how to walk? Usually the white ones walk with a flat ass around and a curved back (counts also for the germans) like they've been beaten up for 5 years, while them brothers show up on Copacabana like they were androids, walking around like if they had rusty iron legs that had not been oiled for years. Ai c'mon, take a look at the brazilians, and remember that it's not homosexual to walk around in a natural way (even if the butt is shaking a little).
cheers
Originally posted by Paolino
... while them brothers show up on Copacabana like they were androids, walking around like if they had rusty iron legs that had not been oiled for years. cheers You mean American Brothas? We don't walk ...we glide :>
hey paolino
thanks for the info and for previous posts as well.
do you remember the name of the open bar you mentioned? i stopped in one new place that had a new orleans theme. but it sounds like the place you are talking about it bigger than that(?).
going to regular clubs on a girlfriend-type arrangement sounds very appealing to me. combines the GFE with soaking up local flavor. if you don't mind my asking, how old are you? i am in fairly good shape, but not like when i was in my twenties! just wondering what it takes to pull that off.
btw i have no idea what a trance club is.
:)
hooky
The name of the bar is Balcony, it's right next to that square where you got a hippie fair during the afternoon (it's not the hippie fair at night in front of Help!). it's a bar with a big counter, and a pizza-wood-oven in the back (poor pizzaiolo!). Sitting at the counter you can check out all the rest of the bar and also see who's sitting on the outer terraço. Right over it on the 1st floor of the building you got a boite with cabines to take the lady to (never went in there though).
i'm in my early 30s, well in shape, and speak portuguese quite ok...just what it takes to hold up a conversation with normal people.
never went to a exchangist club either so i dunna the difference with other countries.
in my opinion the north end of Rio has a bigger potential for whom wants to have fun without being surrounded by old and heavily fortuned argentinos, europeans and americans like in Help. Many many smaller clubs that ought to be discovered, which i'll do more extensively on my next trip!
paulino
i think the place i am thinking of had a pizza oven, but i didn't know about the upstairs. there were a few garotas de programa in the bar. i will check it out next trip.
hooky
i was in rio mid april. i checked out the area Paolino mentioned. there is a strip club above the Balcony American Bar, called Holiday. 15R cover includes 1 drink. when i visitied, i was not impressed. it's kinda dingy. there were less than a dozen girls. there are rooms there, but there is a 50R bar fine to take a garota out. i did find one winner though. (wound up taken her to my apartment.) any way, they have a nitely live sex show at 1:30a there, it was one of the garotas and a guy who works there. there is also a lesbian sex show at 3a.
As for the Lido clubs in the area, i went to three: Franks, Club Senso and Doma: they all charge about 40R cover which includes 2 drinks. Franks has nitely sex show at 1a. (the couple is more attractive than the one at Holiday.) all theses places have garotas available for take out. (Franks doesn't have a bar fine btw) at the time i went, i didn't see anyone that struck my fancy at these clubs.
i've also heard that Doma overcharges, and when you dispute the bill they call the police. this DID NOT occur when i visited.
the fourth Lido club is Barbarella: 50R cover includes 2 drinks. the garotas will be asking for hundreds of dollars for there companionship. the garotas there are usually very beautiful. i didn't visit this trip, but have gone there on previous trips.
i saw some of the garotas that hang out at this end of copa, at meia pattaca, terraca atlantica and Help later at night. So there is some overlap of talent.
my intentions around talking about a club/real-estate down in brasil is, of course, not about clubs/real-estate in brasil per se -- but about punting like a fucking colossus.
it's a mighty and confusing proposition, and i want to get as much feedback/comeraderie(sp?) as i can. i have (i guess) about 100k i can put into it. no big deal. money's money. buuuut, i think what's going down in brasil these last 10-15 years is something unique to the planet (even thailand) -- and something that occurs in history only after long intervals of absence. i'm talking about a pussy gold rush!
i read this board almost every night and am constantly struck by the absence of coordination and skill on both ends of the punting experience. you can only take "amateur hour" for so long.
but no big deal. i hope, at least, that my ideas are a little more interesting than long fucking distance, portugese lessons (i can't believe you guys actually spend time talking about that on this board), gfe experiences (whatever -- they're all gfe experiences if you're capable of eliciting them), the difference between ba and sp/rio (can we put a fucking nail in that coffin, please), the advantages of termas, the same old reports about help, the tranny warnings on avendia atlantico, inflation in sp garotas, "rampant" crime, last year's ad nauseum reports about dengue fucking fever, etc., etc., etc.
i'm trying to raise the bar here, peeps. i'm gonna be your man in amsterdam.
i don't mean to sound bitter. just want to vent a little. again, y'all are my secret handshake brothers. i think it's time to set up a club/crew/society/monastary/whatever down there. it's that much fun. i know you know what i mean. dream a little.
smiles,
jwadd
p.s. trance is a type of music. think "cool london club sound."
Trippleecks
05-19-03, 14:14
JWadd,
take your 100K and put about 60K into the bank in Rio, approx. 3% per month in Reais... = 6,000 reais a month to live on... Take the other 40K and buy a small 1 bedroom apt. for cash and have a good time.... Don't even think about opening a bar in Rio......
Hooky,
sorry i expressed myself badly when I was talking about the place upstairs; upstairs is not part of Balcony bar, but is a separated boate, the Balcony bar has nothing directly to do with it, hence no private rooms and all that stuff, only a bar with garotinhas. Was 3 times there and it was always filled with them. Maybe that spot is growing, i dont' know....
Couple of questions re. cash;
1. Will Help exchange Euros and British Pounds Sterling in addition to US $?
2. Is there a Citibank ATM machine at GIG airport in addition to the 2 near the beaches in Rio?
Cheers.
Jwadd:
Sounds like a fun way to lose lots of money...
Nodd_N may have a point, although 3% return on US$60K is more like R$5,300. But your way definitely has more charm to it!
Please drop me an email at tombATsimarchitectDOTcom, I'd love to exchange some ideas with you off-board, if nothing else help you with the reality check.
Tom B
Exactly. Very Fun. But I hear the group. I'll stop blathering on about it.
Peace,
JW
JW:
Dont' let a few unimaginitive guys spoil your dream! Seriously, email me - a ideia nao eh tao maluca assim, mas precisa ser bem feito, e precisa do grupo certo...
Abraco,
Tom B.
DonkeyBoy,
The last time I checked, there was no sign for any exchange rates for Euro or Pounds at HELP only for Dollars. However, since the weather was quite hot I never went into HELP on my last trip. They have that stupid "no bermudas" policy for guys. I am sure that once you get to Rio you can find numerous cambios to turn your money into reals. Never change your money at the airport though - rip-off.
The Citibank ATM is located on Ave Copacabana which is the next one street from Ave Atlantica when you are walking away from the beach. It is located next door to a BLOCKBUSTER Video store!
Have fun,
Almotu
DonkeyBoy,
You can get ATM at any Banco do Brasil. Look for an ATM with the VISA or MASTERCARD logo, that is if your card has those services. It's nice because you can get money anytime of the day. Citbank sucks, especially the one in the Blockbuster Video in Copa. It does not work most of the time for me. The Citibank downtown is OK.
At the airport I find that it's beast to know what the exchange rate is coming in and bargain with some of the guys in the gray uniform that exchange money. I ususally get decent rates from them but remember to counter offer and not take the first offer.
Wango
Member #1005
05-20-03, 18:14
Originally posted by DonkeyBoy
Couple of questions re. cash;
1. Will Help exchange Euros and British Pounds Sterling in addition to US $?
2. Is there a Citibank ATM machine at GIG airport in addition to the 2 near the beaches in Rio?
Cheers.
Donkeyboy,
As a fellow Brit, you can get money out in various ways in Brazil. If you have a Switch or Delta card you can use Bradesco or Banco 24 to take money direct from your account, but please note there is a charge for this, its often less than the transaction of changing cash.
Also you can use HSBC to get money from your account as well as Citibank, thanks to technology we have a number of options open to us and its safer than dealing with cash.
On Bradesco’s website bradesco.com.br you can also find out the location of all their ATMs, but sadly its all in Portuguese.
Cheers guys,
On my last trip to Rio my cards would only work in Citibank (near Blockbuster). I didn't visit the other Citibank (seem to recall it being in Ipanema?). All the other ATMs (including HSBC, Banco de Brasil etc) would not accept my British cards.
I may not get into Rio till after 10pm so I'm gonna bring some U$D to get me through the first night at Help and hit the ATM the next day. Here's hoping the fx rate picks up by Sept. If not, then a garota price adjustment will be in order - as any sound fiscal fucking policy would dictate.
Juniour - will Bradesco or Banco 24 accept visa debit cards in addition to Switch/Delta?
DB
Jony Vegas
05-21-03, 06:20
Hello all....
I am currently sitting in paradise (RIO) and just caught up on reading the board. I will add some posts of my daily adventures to give the first timers some insights into Rio, nothing that hasn't already been shared, if you read a month or two posts, but hopefully, a twist that shares a typical day and circumstances one encounters in paradise (to follow).
In the meantime, I have been told by numerous Brazilians that they strongly recommend people to invest in Real Estate in Rio now !!! I am thinking they may be right. And by the way, I support JWadd in his posts to spark some good conversation, insight and opportunities to begin a business/Real Estate in Rio. It sure the hell beats 30 posts about where to convert currency, where an ATM machine is and what cell phones work and dont work in Rio. C'mon those are basic things that asking any conceriege at a hotel or Cambio office can tell you, or has no one heard of travellers Cheques??
I agree with JWadd, let's elevate this discussion board into new insights and ideas along with some good mongering posts.
I will be happy to share some detailed insight into "a day in Rio" from my experience and suggest some must do's and cautions if anyone is interested.
By the way, the post with the weblink that explains all the need to know info about Rio is A MUST READ and dead on. Sorry, I forget who wrote it but it is without a doubt the single compendium thats has the most useful and accurate info I have read.
Time to go...my garota will be arriving soon......
Vegas
Member #1005
05-21-03, 19:41
Originally posted by DonkeyBoy
Cheers guys,
On my last trip to Rio my cards would only work in Citibank (near Blockbuster). I didn't visit the other Citibank (seem to recall it being in Ipanema?). All the other ATMs (including HSBC, Banco de Brasil etc) would not accept my British cards.
I may not get into Rio till after 10pm so I'm gonna bring some U$D to get me through the first night at Help and hit the ATM the next day. Here's hoping the fx rate picks up by Sept. If not, then a garota price adjustment will be in order - as any sound fiscal fucking policy would dictate.
Juniour - will Bradesco or Banco 24 accept visa debit cards in addition to Switch/Delta?
DB Donkeyboy,
The simple answer is “Yes” the only problem I have found is that late at nights many ATM don’t work as well as during office hours. But nearly all ATMs in Brazil take credit cards and many garotas especially in Rio will be happy to accept US$.
I personally think it's never a good idead to pay the garotas in dollars. They're never in on the latest exchange rates -- typically in favor of U.S.-to-Real exchange -- and consequently try to bilk you by asking for "100", or "200" U.S.
I never had a girl say no when I replied to her quote of 200 U.S. with a, "Sorry I only have Reals. How about 300 Reals?," etc. You can work it in your favor.
I find the Banco do Brasil to be the best ATMs. When I was there they were closing at 11 p.m. (the ATMs) due to power conservation. Had to plan ahead for the night's fun.
Hope this helps,
JWadd
I am planning a trip in November, but I have 2 questions:
1-What about video cameras during sex? Will the girls let you record the action in a club, your hotel room, etc.
2- How do black men fair down in Rio? Is there any racism? Do Rio women look down upon African Americans?
Guys,
Using ATMs can get very unnecessarily expensive. The only reason I use the Citibank ATM by the Blockbuster is that Citibank give a very competitive exchange rate. I also have a Citibank account so I don't pay any fees for using the ATM. Remember if you use your credit cards to get a cash advance you are possibly paying 4 additional fees on top of that! a) your credit card company charge for cash advances, b) the credit card company may charge for the currency conversion c) the local Brazilian bank might charge a transaction fee & d) the exchange rate might be horrible on top of everything!
Bring cash to exchange for reals at the cambios if you have to. Bring 1 or 2 credit cards & call them in advance of your trip to tell them you are going to a foreign city so that they don't freak out when charges appear from Rio & shut down your card because they think it's been stolen!
All your expenses can be on your credit card with the exception of garotas. But if you plan carefully, you can even get pussy with the credit card. All the termas & I am sure the MPs accept credit cards. At L'uomo, Centaurus & 4x4 you can pay for everything "soup to nuts" with your credit card. Monte Carlo, Solarium you have to pay the girls in cash but all the other charges can be on credit card. You can have a lot of fun on a little bit of plastic! It only hurts when you get your statement. (you might want to check the fine print of your credit card agreements or contact customer service to find out your card's rules concerning foreign currency charges - most charge a 2% fee)
Lastly, protect your credit rating. If you don't already have it get credit loss or theft protection. Contact each of your credit card companies (esp the ones you want to use in Rio) & get them password protected. It is very easy to return from you trip in Paradise & a week later start seeing crazy charges on your statements that you did not make. Credit card theft is very common. Protect yourself. It's happened to me twice already & I have only gone to Brazil on 5 trips!
Have fun,
Almotu
something going on that really pissed me off last time i visited rio and help disco. guys bidding for the girls .
i met this really sexy babe who fell in love with me and we used to go to help most nights . now guys saw me with her but as soon as i`d go to the johns or she would go to the ladies some asshole would come up and offer her drinks or some ridiculous amount of money . one particular idiot did this for 3 consecutive nights and kept raising the offer each time . final offer was 400 dollars . he finally got the message that my girl would not sleep with him for any money and that was that .
i really do respect a lot of these girls because i have discovered that money is not the most important thing to some of them and it certainly is not for my girlfriend - to be happy with a man she loves is . i think it is a pretty sad day when some guys start trying to bid each other out of a girl . a little more respect for one another would go a long way .
i discovered from being with this girl that quite a lot of guys are very willing to pay way over the normal price at help disco .
i have come to the conclusion that anyone who pays over 250 reais for a help girl is plain ugly or devoid of character or both .
i get great satisfaction in seeing girls in help brushing off these turds even before they can make a money offer .
StudPlayer
05-22-03, 19:53
antoninho... you really make a good point here.... the same thing has happened to me.... some guys are just plain ignorant jerks and that is all there is to it.... they come from the backwaters and dont understand the concept that has been in effect outside of the united states for decades.... DO NOT FIGHT OVER THEM... DO NOT COMPETE FOR THEM .... once that starts, they start to think their pussy has more value and then the prices skyrocket.... so to all u horny american city guys out there, if some guy is with some woman u want, wait till tomorrow night and she will be all yours....then u can even marry the god-damn "lady of the night" (since the other word will be edited) if u want.... as a side note, most american guys are pathetic and living in a repressed society with a total imbalance in the ratio of men to women, where prostitution is illegal and all their thoughts are controlled/influenced by the idiotic programs on television ... sorry to say it, but it is true... and all of the above has fostered a really really weird and twisted society.... so even when they get to a country like brazil or the philippines where the available pussy outnumbers the interested men about 10:1, they still cant/dont adapt to the different environment and continue to behave like the idiots they are ... i cant wait to get out .... and i am soon going to....
I have to add my comment to the discussion on the crazy prices some people pay the girls in Rio.
I was in my apartamento bed with a garota and she was complaining a little about the BR 160 we had agreed on. She told me about some fool who paid her USD 300 during Carnival, and pointed to her fancy bustier (which she had taken off) saying it was "very expensive, 120 Reais". Well, you can buy lingerie in Brazil for far less than BR 120. And she should know better than to be so extravagant. But this was an example of how the actions of impulsive, overspending assholes can impact negatively on the enjoyment of the next man.
She later told me where she worked prior to becoming a Help garota de programa. In a store, as a clerk, working seven days a week, 6 - 7 hours a day, at a salary of - get this - BR 350 Per MONTH. (She worked there 2 years ago; maybe now the pay is 400 per month, if that.) That's one reason the Rio women stay on the scene night after night, even if they don't always land a customer. Even if they have just two dates per week at 150 - 200 BR each, and they are earning far more than the average worker.
Schoolteachers in Brazil earn between 300 - 600 BR per month. Minimum Wage is BR 240 per month. Even those with college degrees and work experience are lucky if they make BR 1800 per month. A Help girl once told me that she would give up the scene and stay with one guy for just BR 2000 per month.
Trippleecks
05-23-03, 12:44
Hey Studplayer, who the hell said that guy was an American?? antoninho referred to him as a "one particular asshole ".
I have been visiting Brazil and especially Rio for nearly 5 years now. I have seen some idiots that were American, yes. I have seen more, many more, ITALIAN idiots, BRITISH idiots, GERMAN idiots and DUTCH idiots than American idiots. I'm just wondering why you dislike Americans so much? Is it because some American kid kicked your ass when you were young? Or are you just pissed of at all Americans in general because you can't be one?
Studplayer. I've been all over the world. I'm just curious to know. Where are you from? Because, your tone does sound a bit jealous. From my experience, people who talk like that are usually ugly, or have some sort of insecurity about themselves. You are no different than The KKK or other groups that stereotype others. It's too bad that we can't all be like you, since you are perfect. And since we Americans have these hang-ups about pussy leaves me with a question: Why don't you stay in your native country? Since you seem to have all of the answers about the shortcomings of the sexuallity we U.S citizens have. Must have a tough time at home too, huh? People bid on women all the time. It's been my experience that Rio is a special place.....Period! I've been to Manilla amoung other havens for mongers. Nothing is like Brazil. Nothing! So not only do you find Americans bidding. You find people from all walks of life bidding, fighting, etc. They are in a word: Rookies. I've been going to Rio for that past 10 years, and I've seen it all. Americans feel empowered when they go to other places, because chances are we probably bailed there asses out of some sort of trouble, whether it be military or economic. So Mr. Stud or Player or who the hell ever you are. Be careful what you post, cuz you will run up on someone like me who is a typical American that knows his history and can/will put your ass in check. So back up son! Tchau!
hey antoninho
where are you staying down there when you go, in an apartment? just wondering what kind of deal you are getting and from whom.
also, i am just curious, hope you don't mind my asking--i always figure when i find a favorite i would prefer to go someplace other than HELP with her, partly to avoid the kind of hassles you refer to. did she like going there to hang with her pals, or was it just convenience to your pad? because i know there are regular dance clubs etc down there.
hope this gets the topic off of flame-wars! :)
true, you never said the asshole was american. btw i am from US, i think you mentioned europe before, where are you from?
Hooky
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