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i do`nt know where that asshole that wanted my girlfriend was from but i guess that does`nt really matter because you get assholes from every country right?
but i must add that the nicest guys i have met in brazil were americans but i guess that the fact that i am english speaking like them helps . i am irish HOOKY, and the worst assholes i have met in rio were either irish or english.
i usually stay in an apartment around posto 5 or 6 so that is close to help .
probably the main reason why we went to help so much was because of her friends and of course it is probably the only hopping place midweek and the music is really good too. also the fact that it gets an older crowd suits me fine too, and it is basically a good fun place if you are with a girlfriend you can trust and she can trust you . i would like to check out some new clubs though so if you can recommend some ythat fit the above criteria i would be grateful.
there is one serious drawback though to hangin out with a help girls friends which i will discuss in detail soon
HOOKY - LAST time i stayed in rio i moved around a lot because of noise and other various reasons but you can rent an apartment for 70 reais per night no problem if you stay for 2 or 3 weeks , if you stay for a MONTH OR more you can get a really good deal .
Member #1005
05-23-03, 20:38
Joe & Almotu
Credit Cards use in Brazil
The problems of using credit cards in Brazil is that one, ATMs tend not to work as well late at nights as they do during the day. So you may have to hunt around for a working dispenser. I was informed that banks are doing this deliberately in response to the large amount of ATMs muggings/kidnapping late at nights, especially in São Paulo and Rio.
Second, most credit card companies charge a fixed fee to use cards overseas, meaning it works out expensive if you are drawing out small amounts on a daily basis. But check with your companies; however, Joe at 20% interest charge I would suggest you shop around for a new credit card company.
Third, a majority of ATM do not tell you what the exchange rate is you are being charged, you may not find out until you receive your next statement. Only Banco 24, tells you the exchange rate, on screen, you are being charged before it offers you the choice to go ahead with the transaction or you can abort.
Finally, yes you can use your credit cards in most termas but as I found out to my cost last year, using my cards in Centaurus my credit card company suspended both my cards, as it shows up as a massage parlor. There is a major problem with credit card fraud in Brazil, so now when I am in Brazil I have an arrangement with credit card company; I notify them beforehand when I am in the country and which cities I will be in. Plus, they have agreed to give me 24 hours to get in touch with them if they send me an e-mail before they suspend my cards with any suspicious transactions. Last year I was fortunate that I had some back up cash and was due to leave two days later.
I still prefer cards to cash, because if you loose cash most insurance policies will only cover you for around U$200 max. Better to be safe than sorry
Member #1005
05-23-03, 20:46
Originally posted by D Brown
I am planning a trip in November, but I have 2 questions:
1-What about video cameras during sex? Will the girls let you record the action in a club, your hotel room, etc.
2- How do black men fair down in Rio? Is there any racism? Do Rio women look down upon African Americans?
D Brown,
This question has arisen previously on this post, I suggest you spend some times looking through the earlier posts.
The short answer is no in fact being African American can work to your advantage. Yes, racism does exists in Brazil, but not to a foreigner like yourself; ask this question to mulattos & black Brazilians.
Sorry, can’t help you with video camera, but I had no problems with a digital camera.
hey antoninho
check on this forum, date 11-11-02, for some info on regular clubs. i remembered the posts and looked them up using the "forum search" in the column to the left of this page. i entered "NUTH" which is a disco. much more info in previous posts.
hope this helps, looking forward to hearing about your trip.
hooky
hooky,
before i went to Rio i checked out some carioca forums about Nuth and everyone said that entering Nuth is a pain in the ass for anyone that hasn't the membershipcard of the club; so it's like standing in line for eternity before the doorkeeper lets you in. is that true?
cheers
King of Rio
05-24-03, 21:50
Hooky…
A nice place to hang out where there is an older crowd is in downtown. You could go to “Night and Day”... The crowd there is older and fun. Friday is a pretty good night there. To really get a sense of the local flavor, you should try “Asa Branca” ( the music is kind of loud though but it is a good experience.. something different). It is very popular among Brasilians and they play “Forro” a kind of Brasilian music. Also on Wednesday, you might want to check out “Symbol” which has an older crowd and is filled with a lot of single Brasilian professionals….. Symbol Starts at about 6 or 7 and goes on until 2 a.m.
Antoninho
You should try “People”, “Nuth”, “Baronette”, … Most foreigners go to these and feel pretty comfortable because there are other foreigners including upper class Brasilians.. A lot of girls from Help that go out with a guy they meet and want a change of scenery frequent these clubs. If you want more of the local flavors you can try the clubs I recommended to Hooky…
Joe Francis
I do not know of any “nice” hotels that do not charge you for bringing up girls. You should maybe try going the apartment route which is much cheaper and most times as good an option as that of staying in a hotel. This way you have your own privacy and do not have to worry about how many girls you are bringing up. In June, the people are still on the beach but not as many as during the summer. However the beach still gets crowded on weekends so you have no need to worry. Try the Ipanema beach (Posto 9) ..it is usually the most crowded during all times of the year and full of hot girls… There should be some listing of people who offer apartments here…also feel free to email me at Kingofrio(NOSPAM)@hotmail.com.. Of course, delete the NO SPAM)
Paulino
This is usually the case for Nuth. They have succeeded in making it a pretty much exclusive club. On Thursday and Sunday nights, it is the norm that they usually make you wait for at least an hour.. However, depending on how you look or the way you are dressed they advance you in front of the line and you get in immediately. I have also had some people tell me that they greased the guard like 200 reais in order not to wait on line ( I personally think this is ridiculous). Anyway, the wait is worth it.. the girls are really hot... and the club is just very well done…It is set up so that is easy to approach people and start a conversation…Another option is to try to reserve a table before you go.. but I heard that even when with this that sometimes it is hard for you to get in….
Junior,
I have a buddy down here right now.. He videotaped this chic doing some crazy stuff yesterday… pretty wild... I think it is depends on how you get along with the girl and if she is comfortable in doing that….I think most of these girls are okay with that as long as you treat them nicely….
Viva O Brasil
hey paolino
didn't mean to imply i had first-hand knowledge there (NUTH). just wanted to refer to previously posted info.
my girl and i usually hit someplace decent for a late dinner, then back to the hotel for funs. i couldn't see dangling her in front of the HELP crowd.
am i worthless or what??? :(
when is your next trip? i have >80,000 frequent flyer miles which is good for 2 upgrades to first class to south america, i figure that obligates me for more trips, nao e?
h.
80.000 miles????? shiiiiit, hey you're close to getting a medal of honour by your flight company! most of the times i take different companies to get there (usually the cheapest) and each time i book i'm too stupid and lazy to ask for frequent flyer cards.....stupidity shalt be punished. when i'll get back? hmmmm, nao sei! falta o dinheiro!
you're right about not staying around Help once you got your girl. Even though they are garotas de programa i don't like to see them hanging around Help too once i've established some kinda relationship with them. Of course you have to ordinary puta (usually a professional one) with whom you just have some fun for a couple of hours and then let her get back to Help. But there's nothing like mixing up with the normal brazilian party people once you have picked a girl that hangs around there. Best thing is when the girls she's with like you too, then you can really enjoy the night; i'm not talking about screwing them 3, just hanging around with them.
next time i'll head for Bahia cuz i met that bahian girl in Rio, she had those 5-6 kilos in excess that fitted her so well, and she was always smiling. That day she got her cellular stolen, and lost her ID card (fortunately i stayed in a apartment so they didn't ask ID if i said it was ok), but she kept on smiling and having fun....couldn't imagine one of our european foxies having such an attitude!
cheers
HOOKY,how about an upgrade to first class without any frequent plus . that`s exactly what my girlfriend did when she flew to ireland . she just strolled into the plane and plonked her ass down in first class . she was never on a plane before and did`nt know the difference . she thought first class was normal .
she only realised she was in first class when she described it to me when she reached ireland . she told me how she drank champagne during to entire flight and how it is so comfortable to fly because the seats are so big and they recline right back with plenty of leg room .
Veinbuster
05-25-03, 19:17
I'm heading back to Rio in September and have a couple of questions regarding threesomes in termas;
1. Would I generally be able to choose any combination of garotas or would some girls only be willing to 'work with' certain others i.e. friends?
2. Would I have to put a new condom on each time I switch between the garotas? I'm planning to line them up on all fours and launch a rotating doggie offensive.
VB
gentlemen,
let me try this again, my phone rang and i got diverted, website must have timed me out...
ant--hehehe what a deal! unfortunately it is almost impossible for brasileiras to come to US nowadays:(, very big obstacle to any relationship.
paolino--i never did frequent flyer stuff till a guy helping me at "cheapticketsinc" said i could get a bunch of free miles for signing up for a credit card. then i figured out how to pay my taxes with it and started using it for business expenses, never looked back.
interesting note: my rio girl told me in feb that she had her cell phone and i.d. stolen. there was a hint there for me to send her money. always makes me wonder...(?)
btw paolino what country are you in? sounds like maybe you are closer to brasil than i. :(
hooky:)
kingofrio,
Can you enlighten us newbies, this NUTH club? Where is it located? Is it set up like Cafe Foto in Sao Paulo? Can you hook up with girls there? Fuck there? or is it more like a nice disco to take your GFE to? From the recent posted it seems it is the latter.
Thanks,
almotu
Hooky,
me in northern Italy man. I don't think it's nearer to Brasil than where you are. i wanna tranquilize those readers here that get a bit nervoous when they hear talking about italians...I'M NOT one a those jerks that go to Help dressed with tight disco shit like Travolta in his early years, nor am i the guy that talks loud and bullshit, nor the guy that says he screwed them ho's for free during 2 weeks cuz they liked him so very very much....in a nutshell, i'm not one of those 10 percent of italian tourists that spoil the country's reputation.
well, my girl did forget her ID in the taxi's car cuz i was with her and i don't see where she could have put it to pretend it had been lost, knowing that i made a full body inspection on her later that night (he he he). Maybe the cellphone "story" was a strategy to get more buck from me, but i don't think so....at least, she only talked about it when i asked about it.
Hooky, ever went to Bahia? how are the girls there? is it true that they are more likely to get down on "brothas" than on gringos?
Anyone ever went to Vitoria? i heard that it was plenty of emigrants from Bahia, but the legend said that those bahians from Vitoria were the lazy ones cuz they stopped for a rest at midway to Sao Paulo and never got back on the road. 2 years ago my garota told me that the beaches were wonderful (as they always pretend) and that programs were of maximum Rs 50; but as i was aware of the amount of bullshit she used to tell in a day i got a bit precautious....so anyone's report is welcome here!
cheers
Nuth is NOT set up like Cafe Foto in Sao Paulo. Nuth is a normal disco that people go to. I have heard some guys say they had to wait in line a while. Sometimes the door people can be selective who they let in. Sometimes they also require that you have photo ID to enter. It is located in Barra about a 20-30 minute cab ride from Copacabana depending on how bad traffic is.
Odds are you will take a taxi there. I had a car so I drove there and it was a pain in the ass. Barra for those of you that don't know is past Vip's on the winding road. Nuth gives you plastic cards that you present to the bartender or waitress for drinks. Drinks here are not cheap. I went with my normal girlfriend. Unfortunately we went on Monday night which we didn't know is "old folks" night. Everyone was staring at both of us and I got several winks by women 40+ years old. We both had a drink and left. Our bill was $R 60. The place is very nice and upscale. Has two levels with a small dance floor below and a pool table upstairs with a bar on both levels.
Good luck.
King of Rio
05-27-03, 00:48
3rd Report:
I forgot to mention…It is possible to withdraw money after 10 p.m. in Rio. Just jump into a cab and tell the driver you want to go to Santos Dumont airport. There, you will find a 24 hour ATM machine. However...just like any other ATM here...they might not function all the time. At least this is an option.
Veinbuster:
You can pick any combination of girls. Go to “Centaurus” if you want the two girl action. They will probably offer it to you before you ask about it. Yes, you do have to change your condoms each time you want to enter a different girl
Saint did a good job in describing “Nuth”. They give you a card which gives you R$60 credit… If you don’t spend all of your credit, you still pay R$60. If you drink more than that, you pay more. Address is Avenida Armando Lombardi, 999 - Barra da Tijuca…Yeah.. they also ask for a photo I.D.
Viva O Brasil
Originally posted by Paolino
Hooky,
Anyone ever went to Vitoria? i heard that it was plenty of emigrants from Bahia, but the legend said that those bahians from Vitoria were the lazy ones cuz they stopped for a rest at midway to Sao Paulo and never got back on the road. 2 years ago my garota told me that the beaches were wonderful (as they always pretend) and that programs were of maximum Rs 50; but as i was aware of the amount of bullshit she used to tell in a day i got a bit precautious....so anyone's report is welcome here!
cheers
I had a good friend who just went to Vitoria. He really liked it. He went to a place called the Playman's Club and did real well. Also it was cheap compared to Rio (4 star hotel for ~$35). I'm trying to convince him to join the board and post a report. Otherwise, I haven't seen anyone on here ever post a report on Vitoria.
maybe we can get "tomb", who is very knowledgeable, to weigh in on vitoria. those prices sound like a bargain.
i haven't been there or bahia, my girl was supposedly from bahia originally, but as you say, the amount of BS they put out is remarkable. full body inspections are always a good idea!
poalino, i am impressed with your english. i just guessed it is not your first language from a couple of syntax errors. i am working on learning portuguese with the pimsleus cd's. (btw i am in california.)
tchau,
hooky
thanks Hooky,
fact is that i like speaking lots of languages. Next one will be arab, it sounds great and who knows what language will rule the world in a few decades...the english or maybe the arab?................ kidding! oooops, i better not joke about flight courses in Florida right now, i already feel a satelite directed at me.....
anyway, i thought about making a few weeks through Brazil by bus one day. Traveling through the Pantanal and through the south of Brazil i saw that all the smaller cities all got their *****houses. I thought it worth checking them out while on the way to connecting one bigger city to another. I bet there's some big bargains waiting, some plain ugly girls, as well as the delicious young sometimer that doesn't even know about the prices she could ask if she were in Rio or SP....
cheers
Jony Vegas
05-28-03, 01:50
Joe Francis - Hotel wise, I stayed at two different ones. In Copacabana, I stayed at the Marriott, which is right on the beach. Since I am a very frequent stayer at marriotts, they upgraded me to an ocean view, etc... and I used frequent stay points for my stay, so I don't know the cost.
In Leblon, I stayed at the Marina Palace Hotel, which is right on the beach and had an ocean view. I recommend both, as they are very nice and I never had to pay for any girls that came to my room. I stayed here on my time share, so don't know the price, but I believe each hotel will be $150 US + per night.
Originally posted by Joe Francis
Jony Vegas,can you please give updated hotel info. We are going in mid june and dont know what nice hotel doesnt charge for guests when you book a double room.Are there any girls on the beach at this time of year?
Jony Vegas
05-28-03, 02:14
Here are a list of regular bars/clubs I went to and highly recommend. Remember, most bars do not have much going on until Wednesday....there are a few exceptions.
Barronetti - Ipanema (best Wed - Sat) ****
Peoples - Leblon (best Thurs - Sat) ****
Boomba - Leblon (best Wed - Sun) ***
Melt - Leblon (best Wed - Sun) ****
Six - Lapa (best Thurs - Sat) ***
If you venture up to Barra de Tijuca, there are some fun places also, but a bit out of the way
And now for the Secret Gem that I have not seen written about on here by anyone and most Brazilians I spoke with did not know about. And best af all it is right in Copacabana (on Magalhares)and less than a 5 minute take drive from Help.
My favorite club I went to on a Thurs and Fri night is called 2a2 (pronounced douis a douis). This is a swingers club and you will need to take a girl. I had no trouble finding a girl de programma my first nght and a non programma my second night to go there with me.
It opens at 10:30pm, is somewhat small (get there by midnight). They play awesome music (better than help) have a small dance floor on bottom floor, a strip show at 12:30 and then people head upstairs to private rooms or the goup room. No extra chrge for any of this, just a cover at the door and no bar minimum like at most others regualr clubs.
Trust me when I say, if you are somewhat attractive, have some style or have a hot babe....anything can happen and will !!!! You hear and see, and if not stupid participate in some very fun things.
FYI - I only went to Help one night for one hour. I love to dance, but dislike that place immensley. I prefer meeting as many regualr girls as possible.
TIP: Go to Help, find the hottest babe and ask for her number. Call her the next day and you will find very little negotiation neeeded and a very reasonable price. If your somewhat experienced, you will get her from 2pm in the afternoon until 9pm the next day (before she heads to Help) for a mere 200 reais.
Jony Vegas
05-28-03, 02:23
Anyone wanna get a woman in a Terma for free???
I enjoyed Solarium on Sundays (opens at 3pm) and Wedensday, because those are couples day. Hang around downstairs in the relax room, keep ur eye on the wet sauna and dry sauna (tip the kid working the shower area - he will keep you informed).
There are 10-20 couples who attend throughout the day and I saw and participated in both saunas. Additionally, some will venture upstairs into the bar area where you can flirt, etc... Some really get off on thier husbands watching them grab other guys c*cks.
TIP: Don't be shy and do whatch what the other guys are doing. If you go you will understand what I mean and why. Sometimes he who is most prepared gets first dibs.
Have a beer then pick one of the girls working there.....
Vegas
Jony Vegas
05-28-03, 02:34
Very Good questions and I have first hand knowledge for you -
1. You can choose whomever you want and most will go with you. However, find the one your most interested in and after talking a bit inquire about her liking women, etc... in a roundabout way. If she is very excited about it, then ask her who she likes. Trust me on this!!! If they like each other then the show will be muito bem!!! If she does not like being with women, well you can guess how much fun it will be.
2. I experienced the best 3 some with the 2 girls I wanted (they happened to really like each other). I really like the ones with small butts and are always shaking it on the dance floor....sorry to digress and relive my fantasea.
The 3 of us went through 5 condoms in the 40 minutes. They will require changing of the condoms between girls, as well as between the orifices (if you know what I mean). And yes I inquired of both before going into the room that they both liked and would do all orifices.
TIP: With 2 enthusastic girls, take the 1 hour. I tried but the rooms were all booked for the next 2 hours.
Originally posted by Veinbuster
I'm heading back to Rio in September and have a couple of questions regarding threesomes in termas;
1. Would I generally be able to choose any combination of garotas or would some girls only be willing to 'work with' certain others i.e. friends?
2. Would I have to put a new condom on each time I switch between the garotas? I'm planning to line them up on all fours and launch a rotating doggie offensive.
VB
Veinbuster, when I visited Rio last year I did a 3-some and a 4-some in Monte Carlo. The 2 girls of the 3-some allowed me to have sex with them withouth changing condoms as they were very good friends. But the 3 girls of the 4-some did request changing condoms -I'm talking about vaginal sex, oral sex was always without condom and I'm not into anal.
I suppose changing condoms will depend on how well the chicks know each other.
Jony Vegas, you can get hot all-nighters in Help for BRL 200, there's no need to wait till the next day.
Allright you guys: I arrived in Rio last Friday and two dates, as previously scheduled, arrived at my hotel ON TIME! One at 2 P.M. and the other at 6 P.M.; both absolutely great! as their agency pics indicate.. sweet, nice, adorable, sexy, wild, clean, fit, etc. etc. score: 8 out of 10.
Then at 9:30 the real party begun at Termas Centaurus with two of my best lady friends and sexual partners, Stephany (moreninha) and Viviana (loira) for two solid hours, great dupla! Both having travelled to Cabo San Lucas, Mex last April.....score: 10/10
At midnite I had me another dupla: Bruna (loira) and Shakira (moreninha) same results as above: 10/10
Thanks to my pack of 4 tabs of 100 mg of big blue V. (130 reals per pack)
For closing I went to Help and Cacao (moreninha) joined me for brunch! and the weekenf for GFE. Her display of talent exceeded both sexual rituals, expectations and the scale of 10......
Needless to say I misplaced and lost Cacao's prive... I am missing her badly....Love ya Babe....
Viva Copa
Veinbuster,
who wants a bargain will not go fishing at Help. The girls automatically raise their prices as soon as they enter that place, cuz they have to get back the entrance fee they paid, the drinks they drank, and they charge more because they suddenly become a "Help-garota" that's there to suck money from gringos. Alright, i don't wanna play the smart ass as i never went into Help, but this is what some girls told me. Get your girl for cheap (never more than 100 Rs) as long as she hangs on Terraço or in the other bars on the Copacabana. Certainly the choice is bigger and better in Help cuz it's The Supermarket, but you can get your cheap cutie outside pretty easily too.
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Veinbuster
05-29-03, 13:37
Paulino,
My questions related to 3somes in termas so I think you've got the wrong guy.
In any case, I'm not convinced with your theory on help garotas. It may be true to some extent but entrance before midnight and a few drinks may result in the garotas having to recover as little as R$25.
Having been in Help, I believe that many garotas are there for the 'good time' factor. They like to drink and dance in a nightclub environment whilst putting themselves in the shop window at the same time.
Sucking money from gringos depends on both the individual garota and the individual gringo. Many garotas will adjust their price depending on how much they like the guy.
I personally like the atmosphere in Help and it's nightclub environment but generally wont pay over a certain price. Some guys like picking up on other bars on copa.
Bottom line - There's no right or wrong way to meet garotas as we all have different tastes and preferences.
Cheers.
Originally posted by Paolino
Veinbuster,
who wants a bargain will not go fishing at Help. The girls automatically raise their prices as soon as they enter that place, cuz they have to get back the entrance fee they paid, the drinks they drank, and they charge more because they suddenly become a "Help-garota" that's there to suck money from gringos. Alright, i don't wanna play the smart ass as i never went into Help, but this is what some girls told me. Get your girl for cheap (never more than 100 Rs) as long as she hangs on Terraço or in the other bars on the Copacabana. Certainly the choice is bigger and better in Help cuz it's The Supermarket, but you can get your cheap cutie outside pretty easily too.
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Agreeing with below:
I've pulled a lot of girls out of their for under 100 reals. Fine, too.
JW
Jony Vegas
05-31-03, 16:24
Gladiator - no kidding!!! You can get all nighters for 150 reais also...i was offered it. In fact you can probalby get 100 reais all night with one of the butt ugly girls there. I am talking top quality though. How many of the hottest garotas (9 or 10) have you gotten from Help or elsewhere from 2pm one afternoon until 9pm the next night, with nothing more than a 3 minute conversation??
However, even that is no longer necessary since discovering the best mogering way all during my last 3 nights in Rio. Try getting a 10 for all day and all night for consecutive days and not paying her anything!! A process which i repeated and will do again and again on my next trip to Rio, which will be very soon.
Sometimes our best fortunes and discoveries in life present themsleves unknowingly. Yet it takes a wise man to know when and how to capitalize on those opportunities.
TIP: One must look beyond typical mongering ways to make a quantam leap, like any new discovery or invention in life.
Jony Vegas
05-31-03, 17:03
My personal Terma rating, especially for those newbies (since the rest of you are pros) who are interested and don't want to scroll months back for Terma write-ups. Everyone has their own tastes and I am not putting this here to open a debate, just my own opinion.
The biggest wildcard being, every day and time can be different at the same Terma, so you never know....however some appear to be more consistent. You can always find a girl to your liking regardless of where you go, but the atmosphere and overall experience is what really mattters (especially if your a newbie).
Based on my own weighting system, including price, location, staff friendliness, girl friendliness, quality and quantity (to some extent) here is my preference. Keep in mind, I would return to all of them except for the last one on my list.
Solarium (location, friendly, eager to please, many speak engl. )
Extra - Couples on Wed and Sunday..yes they are open Sun
Luomo (location, great shows, open Sun, small crowded bar)
Quatro y Quatro (lots of women, shower in room, closed Sat/Sun)
Monte Carlo (relax room to escape loud music, garota/ male ratio)
And my least favorite Terma , Centaurus, which I will never return to because the staff is not friendly and costs twice as much as the other Termas. They also require payment upon entering, including cost of girl and room and charge more for non-locals. However, they do have the most quantity of 10's and service was excellent and the interior is the nicest of all Termas.
Vegas
Jony Vegas
05-31-03, 17:03
My personal Terma rating, especially for those newbies (since the rest of you are pros) who are interested and don't want to scroll months back for Terma write-ups. Everyone has their own tastes and I am not putting this here to open a debate, just my own opinion.
The biggest wildcard being, every day and time can be different at the same Terma, so you never know....however some appear to be more consistent. You can always find a girl to your liking regardless of where you go, but the atmosphere and overall experience is what really mattters (especially if your a newbie).
Based on my own weighting system, including price, location, staff friendliness, girl friendliness, quality and quantity (to some extent) here is my preference. Keep in mind, I would return to all of them except for the last one on my list.
Solarium (location, friendly, eager to please, many speak engl. )
Extra - Couples on Wed and Sunday..yes they are open Sun
Luomo (location, great shows, open Sun, small crowded bar)
Quatro y Quatro (lots of women, shower in room, closed Sat/Sun)
Monte Carlo (relax room to escape loud music, garota/ male ratio)
And my least favorite Terma , Centaurus, which I will never return to because the staff is not friendly and costs twice as much as the other Termas. They also require payment upon entering, including cost of girl and room and charge more for non-locals. However, they do have the most quantity of 10's and service was excellent and the interior is the nicest of all Termas.
Vegas
Alright,
if both of you team up on that there's gotta be something right about your position. Besides, what i wrote was only what some girls told me, me myself never entered Help. Maybe pulling a girl out of Help for 100Rs will require some negociation, while in other bars 100Rs or even 50Rs is pretty much standard...maybe i'm wrong, dunno!
thanks for clearing up my mess guys!
jony--the way you got the girl for free: was that doing the swingers thing you described or something else that i missed? (do you have to look like brad pitt?) :)
paolino--i am getting a little confused also--100R for all night with a help girl? remember the price goes down the later it becomes. i have heard of girls going for free near closing time, just because they need a place to stay, and no busses are running at that hour. (that is where i have heard the italian guys getting a reputation for being cheap.) that method is too much work for me...
hooky
Cambodia Pro
05-31-03, 19:48
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
Luomo (location, great shows, open Sun, small crowded bar)
Quatro y Quatro (lots of women, shower in room, closed Sat/Sun)
Monte Carlo (relax room to escape loud music, garota/ male ratio)
And my least favorite Terma , Centaurus, which I will never return to because the staff is not friendly and costs twice as much as the other Termas.
Vegas
I second the motion from Vegas.
Centaurus suks realtive to the other thermas. Nevertheless, even the worst experience at Centaurus will be two times better that your best experience with a western girl.
I visited many thermas. I recommend Luomos highly because of pricing and service. I will never forget this GFE that I met at Luomos. She Let me fuk her in the ass, delicious bbbj, and even some bareback sex after I tested her for aids. I get a hard on just thinking about her. She wanted me to marry her, but it was not to be. I am a gift to all the beautiful women in the world, so I can't be with just one.That would be selfish, and not fair to the rest of the beauties.
Sayonara!!
Cambodia Pro,
"I tested her for aids"
Please explain the time element involved in testing someone on a 3 day vacation to Rio? Do you perform a test right on the spot?
thanks,
Starfe
not sure i fully understood your post Hooky, but waiting until closing time just to get a free shot is not my thing. i prefer taking her to some other regular place somewhere else and have some real fun without those rich old men hanging around us...in the morning i pay something between 50 and 100 depending on how i like her...no negociation before. if she don't agree she won't come back the next night....most do.
...besides, i think i'll have to change my nickname, i think people don't like italian names (although i'm not italian)....strange cuz Berlusconi wasn't against the war...;-)
Sorry Paolino, to clarify:
I was just saying that I too was surprised to hear about Help girls for 100R, with the exception of late last minute bargains (hence my mention of what a help girl told me about Italian guys, I know that doesn't apply to you).
Are you talking about, for example, that "balcony" place when you mention the bars where you were pulling the girls for 50-100R all night? Sounds like a great deal.
Hope that helps!
BTW, where did you meet the Bahian girl that you mentioned several posts ago? They tend to have more mulattas in Bahia, don't they?
Hooky
Hooky,
yuss, Balcony has some girls between 50-100Rs (at about 3am). I happened even to meet a girl that was asking me to accompany her to a swinger club in Barra for free...well, not exactly cuz entrance was Rs100, but screwing whatever you wanted was for free....i didn't go there cuz i don't like sharing a girl with others. But if you hang around there ask her if she wants to go to that club, she's like tainted blonde, short hair, dark morena type, some kilos in excess, not very cute....the name of the club she mentionned was Paraiso dos Casais (the Couple's Paradise)....maybe you'll get to f... some real cutie knowing that the rich and famous live in Barra.
cheers!
PAOLINO- i`m curious . who does not like italian names ? brazilians or people you have met in general from other countries ? i am also curious too as to why you have not yet set foot inside help disco as you seem to be pretty in the know about the rio scene . i too have been to rio a number of times but i consider help a must do each time i go . i`ts a great club even if you do not want to meet a woman .
PAOLINO- i`m curious . who does not like italian names ? brazilians or people you have met in general from other countries ? i am also curious too as to why you have not yet set foot inside help disco as you seem to be pretty in the know about the rio scene . i too have been to rio a number of times but i consider help a must do each time i go . i`ts a great club even if you do not want to meet a woman .
Antò,
i never stepped into Help cuz....actually i have no excuse except those 2 dutchmen that told me that it was full of old men. Actually, i am a pretty curious person, and i like to explore things but each night before i went out, i stared at my beauty in the mirror (a bit like Travolta) while saying out loud to myself "today's gonna be Help-day", but each time something or someone came across my way and i ended in completely other places...or in bed!
BUT, next time i'll be in Rio, first thing i will do is go inside Help, promised!
about people hating my name, it was not to take seriously (just as some other bullshit i tell here above), just meant to spice this forum with some polemic subjects. peace!
Paolino, stop complaining about all the 'old men' you claim to see on Ave Atlantica. Not everyone on this board is 'young', you know. Myself, I'm in my 40's, I don't know if that is 'old' to you, but I'm sure other people are getting tired of your age comments. By the way, your information on the various cities is appreciated. It's just that this age obsession of yours is getting tired.
I don't see a lot of 'old guys' on Atlantica, except sitting at the sidewalk cafes. What I see is mostly young hustlers and hookers. And at Help most nights, the females outnumber the males so much that the females set the tone of the place. This may be different in the high season, but not at present.
People who think that hookers care about the age of their customers are fooling themselves. They are trying to make a living. They care about 2 things: how they are treated, and how much they are paid. 'Young' guys are not preferred by garotas - in fact, they are considered to be more work and more trouble. Don't worry about older guys in Rio. You should worry about the ignorant guys who overpay, whatever their age.
People like us come to South America partly to get away from the youth obsession of the U.S. In the States, when men hit middle-age or older, they are expected to drop out of all social life (apart from their family), and to never again have contact with young, attractive women.
I'm not clear on why anyone would be hesitant about going into HELP because of the "old men". Occasionally, I am on of them. The point is the young women that are there, not the old men. Anyway, I always end up there at least once each trip even if just to watch--it's quite a show.
I'll be back in Rio for a week beginning 27 June, so if anyone wants to meet for a drink, etc., e-mail me at Travelman777@yahoo.com.
I will be heading to Rio on the 1st of July for just over a week. I have booked at the Rio Roiss ( on the advise on this fourm - thanks to those that post ) and was wondering what the Tranny scene is like in Rio. Is there any key signs that you should look out for when spotting one? Also were do they hang out, or whats the deal with that side of the scene, bars etc? Also whats the day time scene like for girls? Can you pick up on the beach, street or cafes during the day?
Cheers.
Hi fellow travelers,
Having given up on Cuba due to changing situations there (see my Havana report) I am looking for greener pasteurs. I am planning to visit Brazil for the first time and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend an ideal two week plan, of course with the hobby foremost in mind. I was recommended to go to Rio and Salvadore (Bahia). Any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated and I promise to repay with a full report when I get back.
Thanks much!
EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!
Originally posted by Flick
I will be heading to Rio on the 1st of July for just over a week. I have booked at the Rio Roiss ( on the advise on this fourm - thanks to those that post ) and was wondering what the Tranny scene is like in Rio. Is there any key signs that you should look out for when spotting one? Also were do they hang out, or whats the deal with that side of the scene, bars etc? Also whats the day time scene like for girls? Can you pick up on the beach, street or cafes during the day?
Cheers.
I'm going to Rio for the first time on June 21, for a week, I found ********** to be the source of information on Rio on the Web. Check out Bwanadik's guide to Rio. It will answer just about all of your questions.
Have fun.
RioD,
sorry that i annoyed you with my age comments, didn't mean to. I'll try to keep my posts as neutral as possible in future. I can't help getting a little "acid" in here after getting back from Brasil...must be frustration of seeing how difficult it is to get fun here compared to Rio. By the way, i'm not against older people, i knew some of the funniest guys and they were over 50; i was only remembering some old italian fellas that treated the girls like shit, so therefore my remark about "old guys"....but i'll behave in future, promised! glad you liked my posts about the other cities....next time i'll go i plan to visit the smaller coast cities from Rio up to the Northeast to check out some alternative spots, like Cabo Frio, Vitoria, Joao Pessoa, and so on....
cheers!
I guess they won't let me put the name of the site in the message. I can't blame them. Bawanadik's guide is also on this site. I will be very helpful. Good luck
I'm 58 and going to Rio for the first time. I'm a regular in Nogales. If you got a problem with "old" men get over it you too will get there some day. Remember the closer to 60 you get the younger it looks. I've never had a girl refuse my money because I'm old. If they do in Rio. I'll go back to Mexico.
By the way, I'm Italian and I've never treated any women working girl or not like sh?*!
DayGo: I'll be arriving in Rio on June 26 for a 7 nite stay. This will be my fifth trip, so if you want to get together for a drink while you're there, e-mail me at Travelman777@yahoo.com
Daygo if you think that site (actually two of them have that Rio guide for newbies by Bwana on their site , both paysites) is the source of all info on Rio, you need to get a little better informed.
And there's nothing there that you haven't seen here on WSG, if you really think about it. The one thing you'll find on those sites and that guide actually, is spam advertising of some loser expat(s) who make their living by offering "guide services" around town, meaning walking you to a terma 4 blocks away, for more than $200 US a day. Or taking a taxi to one of them.
btw - the BwanaDik Rio for newbies guide is also available by itself, apart from those sites. Its URL was listed right here on WSG in this very same Rio section a little while back. BD himself stated that the report is available for anyone who wants it - gratis.
The only thing I'd have to say about old guy at Help is that I've sat outside and seen countless garotas grab a geezer and be seen walking back in slightly less than 45 minutes later, probably a couple of hundred US$ richer.
Hopefully this won't happen to you.
P.S. Paulino is wrong when he says Help is full of "old men", or it should be said his two dutch friends are. The male crowd at help is decidedly mixed, ranging from 20's to 60's but I'd dare say that the average age of the crowd at help would be far younger than almost any other gathering spot of guys looking for hos that I could imagine (like Angeles City, PI, like Bangkok and Pattaya, like Dominican Republic, etc)
Blak Starr
06-07-03, 00:36
I'm 24 years old myself and I have nothing against older guys except for when they overpay.
Girls do like younger guys too!Don't hate the young folk.Many of us hope that we can be 40,50,60 years+++ one day.
A few years ago when I passed through Rio, Help was the in place in town to meet women. I wonder whether this is still the case as I plan to pass through Rio. Any advice on this, or on any other worthwhile venues would be greatly appreciated.
alright, as it seems i've created something like a storm in a teacup...let's get this straight guys, i've never accused any old guys as long as their behaviour is ok, and even if it was not ok it's just my opinion...so don't give it more importance than it ought to get. If i had posted a reply everytime i had felt offended by someone's statements this forum should have been renamed into Chicken Farm. I have said i was sorry if i had been misunderstood and offended someone; seems that the more someone apologizes the more he gets attacked from the right and the left....so i think i'll quit this forum and i will only return in some month when i'll have some report or something constructive to say,....a tra qualche mese!
peace!
just wondering have any of you guys ever brought a HELP girl back to your country with you and if so how long did it last and how did ye all get on ? was it strictly a business transaction or did any of you guys ever get one of these girls to fall in love with you ? i know some of you guys probably think these are stupid questions but i was just wondering did anyone around here experience this ?
Thunderthrust
06-08-03, 15:44
Catire,
If you want to comment or constructively criticise what someone has said on this site then more power to you but your recent post is offensive. You dont by any chace wear a white pointy hat in your spare time do you?
On a different note, has anyone had any threesome experience with Help girls or does that go against the whole GFE thing? I realise that threesomes or indeed asmuchasyoulikesomes are a goer in Termas but I quite like the thought of waking up to a couple of nymphos first thing in the morning. Also, if it is possible would there be a problem at the hotel? Can it only be done if you are staying in an appatment? I will be staying in a double room at the Roiss.
Catire, I found that site to be the most helpful for my upcomming trip. To each his own. The man asked for information. I told him where he could find it. Obviously he wan't finding it here, and neither was I that is why I look elswhere.
A person can advertise anything they want from $200.00 Therma tours to Used cars. That is not the fault of the site. It is up to the individual to be wise enough to not make a bad purchase.
$6.00 a month? The maps, information and almost 8,000 photos are more than worth that.
When I get back I will post my reports here and there and post photos in both places. Anyone interested the mongering of an old italian is welcome read them
Antoninho
Catire is right that it would be extremely difficult to bring a HELPy garota to the US, not so difficult for Europe. I don't remember where you are, is it Ireland?
But I don't agree that it was a stupid question. I wanted to do it myself if but learned how hard it would be since I am in the US.
Paulino
I have appreciated the info you have posted here so don't worry about it. Heck, you could have got offended by the garaota's comments I repeated a couple of weeks ago here about Italians.
Daygo
I agree with Catire about the guides. I hired a US ex-pat just as a "backup" but apparently he got jealous over a girl I met through him, and he went behind my back and tried to throw a wrench into things. It really pissed me off especially since I was paying him to help me out.
Regards to all,
Hooky
Hooky
I didn't say Catire was wrong about the guides. What I said was they can advertise on any site they want too. That is not the fault of the site. It is up to the individual to decide if they want to use them. I never use them anywhere. I would not recommend them. These sites are the opions and recommendations of many individuals. The reader has to decide for themselves if they agree with opion or recommendation.
Daygo
Understood. I was just passing that along as some "advice" since you are going down for your first trip, that's all. :)
BTW where are you going to stay and how long will you be down there? I may be there at the same time...maybe we can hook up.
Hooky
I'm headed to Brazil for the 1st time in late August. I will spend 2 nights in Rio and then onto Fortaleza. I only have 2 nights in Rio, where should I stay and where should I go? What is the best Terma to go to? Any recommendations on an outcall?
Snooky....
Snooky
It will be almost impossible for you to go wrong in Rio. The problem is what to do in just two days. Also what is your budget?
First, read as much of the back posts as you can. Also, there is a seperate thread on Rio Hotels that you must check out. The Debret and Rio Roiss are popular, very centrally located, reasonably priced, but very basic and not fancy. I have seen someone recommending the Princess Copa recently, nicer property, just a tad further from the action, not as close to the beach, and priced about the same. You can check them out on the internet.
Tomb who helped you out with Fortaleza info compiled a list of outcalls a few months ago, he is very knowledgeable.
Termas--hmmmm.....4x4 is very popular (downtown), the two in the Copa area are L'uomo and MonteCarlo. Also fairly near but more expensive is Centaurus in Ipanema. Hard to go wrong, really.
Some guys like to hit HELP disco in Copa at night (starts to pick up around 11pm), other guys don't care for it.
Good luck, have fun!
H.
Genghis Khan
06-11-03, 10:53
I am travelling to Rio for the first time in august and in addition to the action already mentioned on this site, I would like to sample some of the Brazillian swinging scene. Does anyone know of a good swingers club in Rio where single men are allowed and also have a chance to hook up with a lady or a couple?
I was in Rio last month and I had a great time. I did have one problem and I was curius if anyone has had the same thing happen to them. I met a girl at Mia Paeca (the spelling may not be correct). We talked for about 1 hour and we negotiated a price of R200. Then off we went to my hotel (Sheraton). We spent 3 hours together and I must say she was outstanding, but when I got tready to pay her we ran into trouble. I habded her the R200 and she said that the price was 200US. Now I am certain that we both agreed on R200. She refused to leave the room unless I paid her. She threatend to call the police. Finally I thought it was better if I just paid her and got on with enjoying my trip.
Is this a common practice in Rio? She was teh 1st girl that I hooked up with while there. The rest were no problem.
W. Blake
Hooky,
Thanks for the help. I have read a lot of the back posts and there is so much info it's really hard to grasp it all. How far is 4X4 from the Debret or Rio Roiss.
Yeah, Tomb hooked me up with info about Fortaleza but I was able to put a couple of days in Rio on the front end of the trip.
Where is that list of out calls?
Snooky...
Snooky
You are absolutely right, there is a ton of info. So make a modest plan to check a couple of places and leave it at that.
4x4 is a ways, it is in the downtown area, you will take a cab. Get the address from postings here.
The list of outcalls may just confuse you more, also do you speak portuguese? May be tough to order on the phone.
I have the list, could email it to you, not sure how much good it woud do without specific recommendations...
when are you going to be there?
Suggestion--Terma in afternoon, early evening, HELP disco later, see what you like. Maybe try an outcall next day, can't give much advice on the outcall from personal experience....
H.
Cambodia Pro
06-12-03, 06:07
Originally posted by Snooky
I'm headed to Brazil for the 1st time in late August. I will spend 2 nights in Rio and then onto Fortaleza. I only have 2 nights in Rio, where should I stay and where should I go? What is the best Terma to go to? Any recommendations on an outcall?
Snooky....
Snooky,
Here is your itinerary.
Stay at Debret hotel(in front of Help disco, walk away distance from Luomo's).
Food, Rosticerias, buffet type, great food.
Day 1.
Afternoon : Thermas Luomo, take walk along beach Avenida Atlantica, see thongs galore
Night: Help Disco
Day 2.
Afternoon.Meia Petaca cafe for cuties or Thermas Luomo.
Night : help disco.
As always, you may meet a 10 , gfe, and the itinerary goes out the door. It happens to me all the time. I fall in love so easily with 10's, it's not even funny.
Sayonara!
Thanks guys. Your help is definitely appreciated. I will stay at the Debret for convenience and hit Luomo and possibly 4X4. What time do the termas open?
Hooky, you can send me that list at stogienut@adelphia.net
Thanks again.
Snooky...
Rodriguinho
06-12-03, 20:34
Hi guys,
I am new in the forum, congrats for the great info.
I have a question. I plan to go to Rio in July, does anyone know if Parthenon Flats is girl friendly?
I plan to stay in the Parthenon Queen Elizabeth in Av. Rainha Elizabeth just where Ipanema meets Copacabana. Is the location good for Help, Centaurus, L'uomo???
Thanks
R
Veinbuster
06-13-03, 08:09
Why not just tell him - 4x4 is downtown on Rua Buenos Aires. Cab drivers should know where that is.
Decided to head to Help disco the other day in the evening. The place was packed and it was must first visit there since my last visit to Rio in 1997 - I recall back then the place was full of working girls and since the atmosphere was better outside with the Carnival in full swing, I did not stay that long. So this time round I decided to see what variety that Rio could offer by having a closer look at Help.
Upon entry, and as I approached the bar to buy a drink, and immediately before I could purchase a drink, I was approached by a beautiful (Body 9, Face 9, Personality 10) girl who asked me to buy her a drink. So I bought her a drink and before we finished our drinks she suggested that we go back to my hotel. So I reluctantly agreed, not having checked out the variety that I had intended to closely examine.
The hotel that we stayed was around the corner from Help and within walking distance. The girl had to have her ID screened by hotel staff, before entry was allowed. Once in the room the action proceeded with full anal service followed by fantastic bare back block job which climaxed into a full facial & hairal. After this we both fell asleep to awake the next morning.
The odd thing was because this girl had approached me at the bar and had not indicated that she was a working girl, we had not talked about the cost for a fully inclusive overnight service. But before I could raise the topic, the girl suggested that we both go out for lunch and a tour of Rio. The day that was to follow was a full GFE and I was enjoying every minute of my short stay in Rio.
When it came my time to leave Rio, I expected that she raise the topic of the cost so far incurred but she didn't. So I suggested that I leave with her some money so that she could do some shopping to which she responded that she didn't need any money at all! Now I was really confused. I thought from my previous visit to Help Disco that the place was a venue for working girls to hustle. Could I have just met an ordinary girl who offered me full anal and bbbjtc on a one night stand basis. As I depart Rio today my heart is full of unanswered questions.
So, were my assumptions with regard to Help Disco factually incorrect? I am feeling a little bad because I would not have done anal and bbbjtc on the first night with an ordinary none working girl.
Trippleecks
06-13-03, 16:57
Snooky,
The Debret Hotel is OK for 2 nights... However it's not a short walk to L'uomo, take a taxi.
If your stay in Rio is over a Sat. and Sunday not all thermas will be open....
Your choice on a Sunday will be Solarium and L'uomo.
As a rule, most of the thermas open at 3pm during the week. Sat between 2 and 3pm.... Sunday the 2 that are open, open about 4pm....
Originally posted by Nodd_N
Snooky,
The Debret Hotel is OK for 2 nights... However it's not a short walk to L'uomo, take a taxi.
the bus was less than 1 Reais. Wake from the Debret to Ave NS Copacabana (2 blocks west) and get on the bus.
I've taken that bus many times and never a problem. After a while the reais you save will get you free visit to L'Uomo.
Snookums
I emailed Tomb and he or I probably will send you that list. It doesn't even cost too much to take a taxi to L'uomo, when you know where it is you can walk it if you want some exercise.
What dates will you be there?
Paolino, Antoninho, are you guys still out there? Haven't seen you post for a while. Seems like some people are a little sensitive on this thread....hope that hasn't put you off.
H.
For all of those wedding a Brasilian babe!
The best bet is to invite her to the USA via Visa "K-1" allowing her to be your guest into the old USA and having just about three months to marry her.
There are law firms on the internet that specialize on this subject who quote for this service between $450 to $1,000 dollars dependeing of course on your "life" status.
Other aletrnative is to get marry in Brasil which is a pain in the ass in terms of time and paperwork since you will be obeying both Brasilian and American laws! All pertinent docs must be properly translated here in the USA and legally approved by the Brasilian consulate, etc, etc Just to announce marriage in Brasil at the cartorio will cost you three months.
I have been told there is a firm in Copacabana which charges $3,000 to do the dirty work! I am considering.
Rodriguinho
06-15-03, 03:34
Hey dudes,
Whats the price range for an apt close to the action?
I plan to stay 7-12 days.
Rodrigo
Hooky,
I'm going to be in Rio from the Aug 28-30th (Thurs - Sat) and Aug 30 through Sep 6 I'll be in Fortaleza.
Money is not a real issue on this trip, having fun is :) Cabs will be fine for me. What is the closest thermas to the Debret Hotel?
Snooky...
Genghis Khan,
I don't know if they allow singles but listed on NASCA is:
Club Swing EleEla:
Sr. Ricardo,
Rio de Janeiro
22461-000 Brazil;
55 21 2742741
Email: administr@eleela.com.br. [4458]
Send them an e-mail...
Snooky...
Originally posted by Genghis Khan
Does anyone know of a good swingers club in Rio where single men are allowed and also have a chance to hook up with a lady or a couple?
Snooky
There are three closest:
Monte Carlo--I hear varying reports on the quality and also varying on the time of day. Of course like anywhere else girls come and go.
L'uomo--same as above
Centaurus--the other direction, in Ipanema. Costs more, and no option to leave with minimal charge if you don't see something you want, you pay the whole thing up front. But some guys say it is worth it if you have the money, the girls there are more beautiful. I thought there were more statuesque and blond haired girls, that doesn't necessarily translate to more beautiful for me. They aren't as tourist friendly apparently, especially if you don't speak Portuguese. Maybe you can meet up with someone who wants to take a trip over there with you, but the price and policy keep more people away, especially if they are on a budget.
Having said all that, i think you will have a great time at any of the above, with the right attitude.
Enjoy, you are there a very short time, have a realistic schedule like what cambodia pro suggested.
BTW still working getting together that list of escort services, tomb says it is outdated by now anyway, tell me again when you are going down there?
H.
King of Rio
06-15-03, 23:57
Ghengis Khan,
They have a swingers party in Solarium on Sundays. You will need a girl. I suggest you just pick up a girl from Meia Pataca or Help, and just go with her as your partner.
Rodriguinho,
A nice, modern apartment one block off the beach and right next to “Help”, with air conditioner, cable t.v., and all the good stuff should not cost you more than US$40 a night. You can email me at kingofrio@hotmail.com. I will give you a couple of sites.
Joe Francis,
I am telling you. Check out this new club. It is called “Mass”. It is right behind the Sofitel Hotel at the end of Copacabana (towards Ipanema). I do not know how old you are but if you are in your twenties/thirties you should definitely check it out. 95 percent of the girls in here are ridiculously hot and between 18 and 25 years of age. The girls outnumber the guys by a lot. Simply sizzling. Try Thursday night.
Viva O Brasil
Trippleecks
06-16-03, 02:06
Rodriguinho,
you should be able to find an apt. near the action for about 120-130 Reais a night. That should be enough for a nice Studio or One bedroom.
If you want, e-mail me and I'll send you the name and number of the guy I use when I go to Rio.
Nodd_N@yahoo.com
I am curious, what does it mean when the ladies advertise using "universitaria" in the online escort ads? I also read a post in which the term was used.
Thanks
King of Rio
06-16-03, 19:23
I am curious, what does it mean when the ladies advertise using "universitaria" in the online escort ads? I also read a post in which the term was used.Thanks
Double,
That just means that the girl is a college student.
Viva O Brasil
Hooky,
I'll be in country 8/28 - 9/6. Will only be in Rio 8/28-8/30. Do you have any escort info in Fortaleza too? Snooky...
Originally posted by hooky
Snooky
BTW still working getting together that list of escort services, tomb says it is outdated by now anyway, tell me again when you are going down there?
H.
Originally posted by Double
I am curious, what does it mean when the ladies advertise using "universitaria" in the online escort ads? I also read a post in which the term was used.
Thanks
universitaria - University Graduate/Student means they're not right off the farm.
LAGNAF
Jose Marcia
06-17-03, 16:13
Originally posted by Snooky
Do you have any escort info in Fortaleza too? Snooky... [/i]
Check this site out which has tons of escorts. However, once there, you will not need them. Check my detailed report of January 2003 in Fortaleza section.
http://diariodonordeste.globo.com/classif/consultando.asp?Item=P1209
Rodriguinho
06-17-03, 17:38
Hey guys I haven’t seen any info on the interior of the RJ state. Anybody knows anything about the scene in Petropolis, Teresopolis, Parati, Angra dos Reis or Buzios?? All these places are big tourist destinations, at least for Brazilians, so I’m sure that there’s plenty of action.
Rodrigo
King of Rio
About the club by the Sofitel, are you saying the girls there are pro's, or regular girls? Just wondering....
H.
Jose Marcia,
I wish I knew Portuguese :)
Snooky....
Originally posted by jose marcia
http://diariodonordeste.globo.com/classif/consultando.asp?Item=P1209
Hooky,
Thanks for the e-mail and the Rio info. Very informative.
Snooky...
Jony Vegas
06-18-03, 06:28
Uranus - Sounds like you had a very nice time. What was the name of this girl you had a wonderful time with? I have discovered ways of getting GFE freebies. Curious what her name was, as I have had the same experience a couple times now.
Vegas
Hint: Don't expect girls above your caliber to give you a freebie :)
Jony Vegas
06-18-03, 06:34
JWadd - my freebie was not from 2A2 or from anyone ot the Terma (although I have had a few of those that I met outside the Terma). I am talking true GFE for a couple days for nothing more than drinks and food. And get this, have her pay for you to go upto Sugar Loaf.
When you gonna be in Rio next?? I will be there agian in less than 2 weeks.
Hint: Try meeting them outside of their element and be a gentleman.
Jony Vegas
06-18-03, 06:43
King of Rio - When is the last time you were in Solariium on a Sunday. You can read the website and see one thing, but visit it to experience the real thing.
Solarium allows women to accompany you into the club on Sundays and Wednesdays. I have been there on both nights within the last month. It is hardly a swingers club on those nights. Lately there are only between 1 and 2 couples in there at anytime. Compare that to the 50-60 guys and the 50 working girls in there.
I (and others) had some fun with a lady in each, the dry and the wet sauna while her male friend sat by and watched.
Hint: Tip the bathroom boy, he will give you a heads when a couple is entering the saunas ewhere most of them play. But you must be nearby or in the relax room.
Jony Vegas
06-18-03, 06:52
Daytime Action on Atlantica Avenue- Depending on what you like, most of the daytime action at MAB's and Balcony Bar is black women. In fact the majority of the daytime action on the strip is Black, and unfortunately, they are not the best looking (IMHO).
However. like anywhere in Rio, you can always find one that is your type and have fun though. I just set my standards very high....
A personal recommendation is to get many womens phone number from the night before, even if you don't take them home with you, and call them for some daytime action.
Vegas
Hint: The better Portuguese you know, the more likely you can negotiate a more favorable rate during the day.
A response to W Blake's post of 6-11-03:
Guy, what happened to you wasn't a "problem". You were conned, scammed, ripped off. No one in their right mind would agree to pay US $200 for 3 hours with a girl in Brazil, and the 'beetch' who robbed you knew that. Everyone egotiates in Reais, unless stated otherwise.
US$200 is around R600, which is a month's salary for the average working person in Brazil. Working six days a week at that. You should have called her bluff and told her to go ahead and call the police. I don't think the Brazilian 5-0 is interested in enforcing hooker payouts, and I doubt if she would have really called them. I'll bet they wouldn't be amused to hear that some hooker from Avenida Atlantica expects to receive a sum greater than their monthly police salary for one trick. If anything, they would tell you to give them the R200 to throw her ass out.
We need a "read this first" fact sheet for first time travelers to Rio. I keep reading about the same cons, ripoffs, and overpayments happening over and over. For now, I'd like to list a few important facts:
1) In Brazil you pay the girl AFTER, not before.
2) HOLD the line on prices This is the "off season" (roughly April - October) there are far more girls that foreign men in Rio right now, it's a buyer's market - or it should be, if more people realized it.
3) Exchange your currency for Brazilian Reais, negotiate in Reais always.
4) All-nighters are R150 average, R200 tops - some will go with R120
5) New guys, read the past entries for vital information - especially the archives, from back when anonymous posting in the WSG was possible, and information was posted more freely.
Economic facts:
U.S. Per Capita GDP - $36,200
Brazil Per Capita GDP - $6,500 (Year 2000)
Now, how much should a hooker in Brazil be paid?
Jose Marcia
06-18-03, 17:03
Originally posted by Snooky
Jose Marcia,
I wish I knew Portuguese :)
Snooky....
I don't know much Portuguese either. I copy paste this site in "Translate a Web Page" and the translation is just one click away. Have fun.
http://babel.altavista.com/tr?
Jony Vegas: I'll be there Sept. 4th through Nov. 20th.
JW
Jack Tripper
06-19-03, 02:51
Greetings.
The first time I went to Rio over a year ago I was enjoying my first visit to Luomo. At some point during my time in the "American bar" I noticed a girl there next to me who looked familiar. Within a few seconds I remembered having seen this girl in a Buttman video shot in Brazil. I told my friend who was with me and he asked her if she had ever been in a movie. She smiled bashfully and nodded yes. But neither I nor my friend chose this girl to take back to a cabina.
We did, however, choose other girls and, of course, went to other termas during our week there.
A few months after I returned home, I happened to be watching another Buttman porno, Rio Carnival Orgy #1. I had bought it way before my trip and had watched it a few times. But this time when I watched it I was kinda surprised to recognize one of the girls that I had hooked up with in Brasil. I guess I didn't recognize her at the time when we met in person because 1. I was drunk, 2. Her hairstyle was a little different, 3. If you have ever seen these videos there's like over 50 girls in them and there's tons of action and she's not in it that much.
Anyways, it was kinda trippy at first. But, hey, it's a small world.
On my second trip to Rio, there was once again more terma action. In fact, I did see that girl from RCO#1 again, but it completely slipped my mind to mention that I saw her in a video. (I guess part of the reason was that, ironically enough, I had some of my own private footage of her from my last trip and things were going pretty good until half-way through she and her friend tried to renegotiate the price. So that meant I wasn't going to hook up with her again so we really didn't talk that much this time.)
But, yeah, Brasil is an amazing place. The girls from there stay in your mind for a long, long time.
Not too long ago, I was surfing the Net (for porn, of course) when I saw some images from one of the Booty Talk movies. Lo and behold, I can swear that I saw yet another different girl that I was with in Brazil during my second trip in this video. I have yet to purchase the DVD, but I'm almost certain it's her from what I've seen online. (This time, unfortunately, I don't have footage or pictures of this particular girl to compare, but I do remember a lot about her.)
I guess my question is, has this happened to anybody else? I'm sure it has, but I was just wondering.
Jony Vegas
06-19-03, 03:30
JWadd - Well I just bought my ticket, going to be in Rio next week for 1 week. I am gonna be looking for an apartment as I plan to move there for 1-2 months in the late August to early September time frame.
If all things go well, our paths should cross. I have just ordered the Pimsleur Brazilian Portuguese tapes and will be going to a language school when I get down there. So hopefully I will be able to charm the women in Portuguese as well as in English by the end of October :) How is your Portuguese??
FYI - I don't fit the ole timers bracket, but I am no sprong chicken either. In my 30's...I am guessing you are the same.
Vegas
...Correct, 34. You know (and I say this to everyone), age really doesn't matter if everything else is well put together. That's one of the best attractions going on for this whole scene.
JW
King of Rio
06-19-03, 15:28
Hooky,
"Mess" is not a working girl place. A lot of the girls are upper middle class college girls or girls who are already graduated. It is the newest club to open ( I think it opened last december). Don't remember exactly.
Jony Vegas,
Yes, I have been to Solarium. And, yes I did go on a Sunday afternoon. I do not know about any other days in Solarium but I know that the day the swinger scene was quite happening. Although, I am in NY at the moment, I have spent the last year living in Rio, so I do not need to go to a website to look up information.
Viva O Brasil
Jony Vegas
06-19-03, 18:05
Strip Clubs Info
While it can be an allure, I don't strongly recommend them, since there are so many other options. WIth Termas you know proces upfornt, in Strip CLubs, oyu never know what they will hit you with or try tricks they may pull. Like everywhere, you will find all types of women and some real stunners here - negotiate wisely. The women here are very aggressive and you have to beat them back with a stick.
First off, you will be hounded by women in these places and they will only leave you alone if you buy them a drink or give them some money (Ok not so different from other places...lol). Second, women you find in Help will go to these clubs occassinally and charge (expect) more than they would get paid at Help. Like everywhere, the later it gets, the lower the price goes. Third, once you have negotiated a price with the garota and are heading out the door, boom!, you are hit with a $30 reais bar fine (which I was told was not required upon entering), eventhough the club was closing in 5 minutes.
Of course my immediate response to the girl was, well I guess I will have to pass tonight, unless you reduce your fee by the bar fine. Since they were closing and I was her only chance of any money that night, she quickly responded OK, grabbed my hand and off to her apartment around the corner (what a change, going to her place, and I nice place it was). This happened to be at Frank's, but the others operate the same, I am told by the girls.
I was lucky, she was actually a dancer at the club, lived 1 block from the club, spoke very good english, she was really cool and was in no hurry that evening or the next day. Each time I woke up, she more than willingly obliged to whatever I wanted (I am light sleeper....heheheheh). What's ironic was I had blown off all the aggressive women in the club, even as they kept bidding lower and lower for me to take them home (no joke, a girl on either side of me bidding back and forth). I just happened to see her standing at the front door as I was leaving. I smiled, said hello, 45 seconds later, the rest is history. She wasn't pushy, had a great smile, seemed carefree, and had her own place around the corner.
I will definitely call her when i arrive in Rio next week, but would not visit the club she works at. They are too small and no way of escaping the women without being brutally mean or giving each girl $10 reais to leave you alone (unlike Help, where you can walk away).
The 3 most popular Strip clubs are: Barbarella, Franks, and La Cicciolina, all located at Avenida Princessa Isabella - a couple blocks from Avenida Atlantico (this is in the Leme District - the far end of Copacabana)
Warning/Tip: I have heard stories of credit cards being padded here. I avoided that by purchasing each drink a the bar and paying for them one at a time. I wonder if you try to leave without a girl if they bar fine youu also....lol.
Vegas
Jony Vegas
06-19-03, 18:19
Best one stop source for Newbies to Rio
If you are taking your first trip to Rio or perhaps even your second trip, I found this link to an html page that will provide you with invaluable information. I suggest you print it and take it with you.
http://www.brazil-sex.net/index2.html
One update...as af May 18th, the Marriott was not charging for guests.
Vegas
JWadd,
You said it very well. I have a few more strips on my belt than you or Jony Vegas. My wonderful Brazil experiences over last few years have proven it over and over again. As you may recall, now I have secured a girlfriend in SP whom I had picked up at Cafe Photo. She (27 years old) was semi (has fulltime job during the day) and worked there twice a month or so. We talked a couple of times a month. She will take a week vacation from her work so she can travel with me while I'm in Brazil for business in last week of July. She is just happy to hang out with me, that's all she wants. Only regret on my part is this did not happen to me earlier.
Jony Vegas,
Good reporting! I had very similar experiences on my last trip to Rio in Aug 2002. Hope things remain same in Rio.
Hi everyone,
I'm new and just got to Rio. I'm 21. I don't know anything about the clubs but I was thinking of grabbing a cheap hooker if I could. Does anyone know what a good price is? I'm just interested in copping a blow job w/o a condom really.
Also I'm staying in a hostel. is there a motel you can rent for sex or does the chick usually have a place?
THANKS!
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!
Jony Vegas
06-20-03, 18:33
Off2golf - Sounds like you have a great thing going - congratulations. I am in the process of doing the same with a very cool girl in Rio (working with her to get a passport and US visa now).
I have to say Rio is paradise, in many respects. Hence, my trip next week, to look for an apartment for a long-term stay and to move there initially for a few months later this year, and potentionally have a place for year-round visits and long-term stays.
Have you embarked on any long-term stays in SP or Rio? I know my 5 year visa allows me to stay up to 90 days and no longer than 180 days in any given year. Do you happen to know the requirements to establish residency or is there another Visa that would permit greater than 90 day stays, or a quick trip to Buenos Aries and back without having to return to the U.S.? (flight time is a drag)
I know these are pretty technical questions...I will probably have to visit the Govt offices there to get the info. However, I am sure there are a few others out there who have pondered the same questions and would like to enjoy paradise a bit more than 1-2 weeks per year, in an affordabel manner.
Thanks for any info,
Vegas
Wadd & Vegas
the perfect age for a Brazilian man to marry is considered to be in his late thirties.
the wives are usually 10-15 years younger.
If you don't believe me, ask a local.
King of Rio
06-21-03, 23:14
Sixpack,
If you get a hooker from the street , it definitely should not cost you more than R$60. You can also try the "Meia Pataca" during the afternoon. You are young. If you are a nice guy, and not extremely ugly, you should actually be able to get it for free. Also, go the malls, there are so many single brasilian girls (try "Barra Shopping" you can probably find some that speak English). Now about a place. I am almost positive that a street walker will not take you back to her place(most of these girls come from the favelas, and they live together with six other girls in a studio). There is a motel "Vanity" right by Help. I have never been in there, but I heard it is okay.
Rio D,
The police man will rarely be on your side in a dispute between hooker (brasilian) and you (a foreigner). Think about it. Brasilians think all foreigners have tons of money (especially Americans). Therefore, the cop (who is probabbly crooked) will believe that you have all this money and just being stingy about giving it out. Therefore, the police will first of all want to get some bribe money and will complicate matters. If you have a dispute with a girl, I think it is best you settle it with her (this is only my opinion). If she calls the police on you, I think you can be 100 % sure that Rio will quickly change from a paradise into Hell.
Jony vegas,
I had the same problem you had with regards 90 days thing. I got to meet some people who helped me out. It is quite easy to solve the problem of the long term stay. When you get to Rio just email me (kingofrio@hotmail.com). I will give you some phone numbers to call.
Viva O Brasil
Jony Vegas
06-22-03, 00:15
Catire
I agree 100%!! I have been traveling to Latin American countries for 9 years. Since my first visit I loved it, preferred the Latin culture and luv that the Latin women prefer older men. So, it's not just true in Brazil, but throughout South America, Central America and Mexico.
That is why I have a 21 year old and a 24 year old waiting for my arrival next week :)
Do you live in Rio by chance? If so, it would be nice to have a beer and talk about how wonderful the latin ladies are. If you have any inside info on any apartments I will treat you to a few cocktails at Solarium.
Vegas
Vegas,
I don't know other ways to get around the limitation (90 days/visit, 180 days/year) for type II visa. However, I'll be in SP in late July for fairly serious contract review and negotiation. I'll bring this topic up with our local attorney over dinner table. He is not immigration lawyer but I'm sure he can ask his buddy lawyers.
It sounds like you are all set for enjoying your time in Rio with two young beauties. It is always good to hear there are people like you out there who knows how to take care of their girls and to enjoy life.
Way to go!
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
Best one stop source for Newbies to Rio...
http://www.brazil-sex.net/index2.html
Vegas
Thanks for the link, Jony! A truly wonderful resource. :)
-- L
Blak Starr
06-23-03, 01:56
Why is there all of this hatred of young guys on this board? Yes, us guys still in our 20's do just fine and get alot of the pussy for free in Brazil. Don't hate, celebrate!
Many girl's in their 20's still go out with guys in thier 20's too.
Frankly I can't see why a young, hot,23 year old girl would french kiss a geyser in public for other than his money.
Jony Vegas
06-24-03, 04:58
Kingofrio
Are you in Rio now? I am wondering if we bumped into one another at Mab's in May.
Any inside info you may have on a nice apartment for long-term stay is appreciated.
Vegas
Originally posted by Blak Starr
Why is there all of this hatred of young guys on this board? Yes, us guys still in our 20's do just fine and get alot of the pussy for free in Brazil. Don't hate, celebrate!
Many girl's in their 20's still go out with guys in thier 20's too.
Frankly I can't see why a young, hot,23 year old girl would french kiss a geyser in public for other than his money.
That's Geezer, an example of a Geyser is "Old Faithful' in Yellowstone National Park. It "shoots" every few minutes, something geezers can't do anymore.
Yuk, Yuk, Yuk!!!
King of Rio
06-25-03, 04:14
Hi Jony Vegas,
I am in hell at the moment (NY), but can’t wait back to go back to my beautiful paradise. Yeah, it is possible that we might have met in May. I was at “Mab’s” a couple of times in May. I hung out more in front of “Meia Pataca” during the day and Help at night, so it is possible.
Yup. I will give you a number of a buddy of mine. He is a really cool guy and will help you out with apartments (short and long term) and different information you might need while in Rio. He speaks English fluently too. Just email me at kingofrio@hotmail.com. I don’t want to paste his number on the board. Leave some of the girls for when I get over there.
Stud Lee,
Did you say there was a Brasilain club in NY called “Scala”? I would like to find out where it is located.
Viva O Brasil
Jony Vegas
06-26-03, 22:30
In paradise now...where do I go first, so many places to choose. Anyone in Rio who would like to grab a beer let me know.
Vegas
Hi Jony Vegas,
Bom divertimento!
I'll be there on the 2'nd
What is your email?
Hey Jony,
Where is "Mab's" this is new lingo for me? Don't forget to stop by L'uomo. Not sure of the address. I usually just walk from my hotel on Cesquira Campos. It is on the second floor of a shopping mall with many antique shops. I went 8 o'clock last Monday night & there were 15 girls & me! Talk about paradise. Couple of guys staggered in around 11pm but it was dead so I got all the girls' attention!
Have a great time,
Almotu
Royalflush
06-28-03, 13:53
Therma Review:
Centaurus is overrated. Been there several times and although there are always some women I find attractive, the prices do not justify the experience. $290R is almost double the rates at other, perfectly nice thermas. For my money, I would go to Monte Carlo, Luomo, or quatro x quatro. Monte Carlo has an English speaking manager, who is always around, and the atmosphere is very relaxed. Your tab for a standard room and drinks at the bar for a couple of hours will probably be 200R. Quatro x Quatro is a little difficult to find, but it's worth the effort. Located in Centro, you can take the subway in, and then walk to the street where it's located (can't remember the name). Very hot women there, and the facilities are quite nice, with showers, mirrored walls. The prices are cheap because it's off the beaten path and caters to a local clientele. A couple of years ago, it was something like 85R for a room for 40 minutes. How can you beat that?
Luomo is located on the second level of a mall in Copacabana. I've been there twice and have had a GFE both times. The women tend to be a little less aggressive, so you need to either approach them or make eye contact. I get the impression that Luomo gets a lot of part-timers, girls who are looking to make some extra money for school or in-between jobs. The result is that the women are nice and sweet, and very likeable. No hardened, tough, veterans of the streets. Prices are something like 140 or 160R, not including drinks.
Mab's is a restaurant, much like Meia Pattaca. it has a similar menu too. Mab's is located on Av Atantica and Av Pado Junior. a different crowd hangs out at Mab's than at Meia. I usually found more mulattas and older garotas there.
Hi fellow mongerers!
I will be in Brazil for my first time, for about a month (with a week in there somewhere to check out Buenos Aires), leaving at the end of August. I've read back through a lot of your posts and appreciate all of the information.
Can anyone give a first-timer some advice on hotels: Copacabana or Ipanema, pros & cons? Also, how can I find one that won't charge a "guest fee," or do they all? I'm not on a shoe-string budget, can pay up to around 60 per night (USD), and I probably won't be in one place long enough to get an apartment, besides, I prefer hotel service.
Also, if any of you are going to be there around that time let me know and I'd love to hook up for a drink and some commiserating!
Lastly, I'm thinking of getting an air pass and seeing some other cities (Salvadore?). Is it best to buy that there or here (US)? And really lastly, any recommendations on flights or travel services would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much, I will of course provide a full report when I return!
I have been reading WSGF posts through for a while. They have been very useful and I finally decided to share some of my experiences, and tips.
In my opinion while in Rio forget the Street Girls and the Meia Pataca women. That is unless you like bottom of the barrel quality.
I strongly suggest the termas. There are many termas in Rio.
Once you arrive the termas, you check in where they give you a key for your locker. Your first stop will be the locker room where you will be provided with sandals and a nice clean robe.
Then you can move to the wet area where you can shower and use the steam or sauna area (the sauna and steam area is generally deserted). Take your time and enjoy.
Once you sweated the day's stress and relaxed the muscles it's time to go into the disco area. Here you will find anywhere between 50 and 100 girls in their Victoria Secret sexy outfits. You can stand by the bar or seat in one of the many couches. in this area you can order drinks which are charged at regular street prices. The girls dance and move around hoping to get picked by one of the customers. Ratio girl to guy is generaly 10 girls to 1 guy (unless it is Carnival or another holiday).
Here you want to be patience. Don't hurry. The first girls to approach you will tend to be the lesser quality girls. Say thanks politely but you just got there and don't want company yet.
Wonder around and pick up the one that you like the best ( I suggest you watch the girls dance before picking your girl(s). If they move well on the dance floor they will likely move well in the private room. Once you picked your honey, have her sit with you in one of the many couches. Take your time and enjoy a drink or two. While you sit she will likely rub all over your body and place her hand discretly under the robe to grab your ding dong. There are all girls for all types in the termas: short, blondes, redhairs, mulatas, latinas whatever you taste.
I suggest two termas in Rio that I liked: Solarium and Centaurus. The later is the most expensive and you will come out with US$150 less than when you entered including drinks, and a one time deed fo 45 minutes.
Once you have finished your deed you can go back to the disco do it again or just leave (Of course there will be an additional charge each time).
Before you leave take a shower and put on your clothes which will be waiting there in your locker free of girl perfumes. Settle your bill at the exit.
Termas take credit cards for most of the charges except the girls payment. Credit Card accepted for the entrance, the room and drinks. They speak english at the entrance just ask and they will gladly explain.
The best time to go to a terma is between 4:00pm and 7:00pm before the business suits show up, and when the girls are nice and rested.
After getting quotes of around a thousand bucks from SF to Rio, I finally booked a flight using Blameitonrio4travel.com. Got it for $685!!! I would still appreciate any hotel recommendations, Ipanema or Copacabana (see post below).
Thanks!
Veinbuster
07-03-03, 21:29
Gringo,
Great advice - especially the part about taking a shower and putting my clothes on afterwards. I'd have been lost otherwise!
VB
JustGotBack
07-04-03, 00:52
Originally posted by DocBill449
After getting quotes of around a thousand bucks from SF to Rio, I finally booked a flight using Blameitonrio4travel.com. Got it for $685!!! I would still appreciate any hotel recommendations, Ipanema or Copacabana (see post below).
Thanks!
What? Travelocity has had SF-Rio flights for $628 for at least the last few weeks.
Well, i didn't check travelocity, there's too much out there. At least I did ok, not much more than what you quoted. Any hotel recommendations, and whether I should stay at Ipanema or Copacabana?
Jony Vegas
07-04-03, 16:18
DocBill
I just returned from Rio on an Apart-Hotel, Hotel and apartment search (I am moving there for a few months). Go to the Rio De Janiero Hotel board and I can answer any questions you want there. I have names, prices, etc...
The bottom line is, if you only have $60 US dollars to spend, then any regular hotel you stay at will charge you 50-100 reais per night per girl.
Tell me the specific amenities you want and your price range and I can give you many names, numbers, locations, etc... and the best bang for your buck.
I will look for your post in the Rio Hotel section.
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-04-03, 16:36
Hobbyists - Sorry I missed you. I left on July 2nd and it was a busy day. My girl left around 10am, I had to go to the beach for a couple hours, pack, then have my driver stop by 4 X 4 on the way to airport and wait for me while I selected my garota du jour. Only in Rio!!
Almotu - Hope you enjoyed Mab's, if you went there. Chingon is 100% correct about the women who hang there (not my favorote pick up joint). However, it is one of the only places that is an open bar on the Av. Atlantica that plays good music.
On a previous trip, I met a girl in Balcony Bar who is very dark complected (strictly amiga) who is always there in the early evenings. She is an ole pro, but very cool also (she has never tried to get a buck out of me). Well, all the newer girls seem to hang near her. And every once in a while a new stunner appears, like last week. Good thing Jony Vegas was at the right place and right time to introduce the sexy 22 year old to Rio American style :) She was so green, she asked my amiga how much she should charge. My amiga was embarrassed, since we are friends, so I got to name my price with no haggling.
Hint: For those non hard-core mongers, if you read closely you now have an insight into how to get a freebie (or atleast a repeat freebie). Looks and personality DO count!!
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-04-03, 17:32
Terma Update
First, I agree with Almotu, Royal Flush and Gringo Mojado's posts (except Gringo, I personally do not feel Centaraus is the best value for the money).
Anyway, what a difference one month makes, in new faces, prices, etc... In their winter months, it seems that prices have gone up at a few places, or they have cut their specials (i.e. Quatro X Quatro does not have a free entrance fee if you take a girl before 7pm). Most Termas open earlier now, some 2pm and others at 3pm because they are much slower and want to try and get more business. You will see once you enter, you virtually have the palce to yourself, as Aluotu stated. FYI - each of these Termas has an english speaking person at the reception desk.
As of July 1, here is the pricing for each and my overall rating (personal rating system - based on facilities, management, looks of girls, quantity of girls, location, etc...)
**** Solarium - Entrance fee is 50 reais, 40 minutes is 140 reais and 1 hour in the suite is 270 reais. Guys you need to try a suite atleast once, and take 2 girls with you for only 100 reais more. (Note - Sunday's and Wednesday's couple are permitted in, so you pay 90 reais entrance, but that includes one room fee - therefore, as long as you get a girl it does not cost anything more). By the way, I have found that all of the women I have had here make the gretest effort to really please their man. It is located in Jardim Botanico (Rua J J Seadra 21) and is approx. a 12-15 reais taxi ride from Copacabana. Try Catherines restaurant/bar (???) 1/2 block up the street for a beer and to see some non-pro action in evenings.
**** Quatro x Quatro - Entrance fee 30 reais, 40 minutes is 130 reais and 240 reais for 1 hour. This is out of the way, located in Centro (downtown) on Rua Buenos Aires 44 (a pain to get to by taxi during hush hour). Nice facilities and mass quantities of cute women in every shape, size and color. If you can't find something here that makes you salute, you need more than viagra. I enjoy the upbeat atmoshpere here, good music, girls dancing and the best prices. Beers are a bit more expensive than elsewhere, but at 5 reais a bottle, who is complaining.
*** Luomo - Entrance fee is 30 reais but waived if you take a girl to a room, 40 minutes is 140 reais and I have never considered doing 1 hour here so I don't know the price (I have always gotten two different girls for 4o minutes each here). Nicely located in the middle of Copacabana on Rua Sigueira Campos at Rua Barata Ribeiro, in a shopping center upstairs. There seems to always be atleast one stunner there and I find that in aggregate, they have all above average women who enjoy their work. The women are a bit more agggressive, but take no gracefully. Every hour or so a couple girls will individually put on an awesome strip show for everyone. This is a must visit when in Rio.
** Monte Carlo - Entrance fee is 50 reais, 40 minutes is 140 reais. Located on Rua Hilario Gouveia 19. One half block from Av. Atlantica and next to the entrance to Copacabana Hotel. I have not been as impressed with the quality of the women here and probably will not return in the near future. There are always lots of women and very few men here.
* Centaraus - You pay 290 reais to enter the door here, which includes one woman for 40 minutes. Although there are quite a few stunners that work herer, I have found just as good elsewhere. Overpriced in my opiniion and I don't care for management. I have yet to find a reason to return there with so many other wonderful options available. If money is no object and you don't look for value, then you will enjoy this place.
There are a few other Termas I did not make it to or are more local places that I will visit and write about on my next trip.
When I am in these Termas, I always wonder why look for a girl elsewhere? Termas are so much fun with beautiful women that will treat you like a king for a reasonable price. But we all know the answer to the question/dilemna now don't we....
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-04-03, 17:47
Winter season in Rio, means less business for the women. I have noticed quite a few trying to charge more, to make up for the lack in business. Many of the girls have returned to their familes etc... where they are from until their Spring when more visitors means more business.
However, if there are some real bargain hunters out there let me know. I will tell you where you can score 1-2 hours for 80 reais. Some are cute and some are not. I only know from meeting them, but did not sample the goods.
My last piece of advice - avoid the strip clubs!! I let a friend of mine talk me into going to one again (Barbarellas this time). Nice club, nice management, attractive women, but boring as hell, you have to pay the club 50 reais to leave with a girl, after paying 50 reais to enter the club. Plus, many of the women think they are some goddesses and want between 300-500 reais. Stick with the Termas!!!
Vegas
Originally posted by DocBill449
Hi fellow mongerers!
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Lastly, I'm thinking of getting an air pass and seeing some other cities (Salvadore?). Is it best to buy that there or here (US)?
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Airpasses can only be bought outside of Brazil and usually mean flying to several cities on a preplanned iteinerary. Your local travel agent can arrange it for you.
If you're only going to travel fro Rio to Salvadore then buy a ticket. Buying in-country may be cheaper for single round trip tackets. May, I say.
LAGNAF
In reguards to Rio- is there any other option to theses Terma's ?? I mean I need TLN, can one get the number of the working girls ?
It appears from the reports here on WSG the strip joints are a rip off and you don't seem to have much in the way of classy indepenents.
"In reguards to Rio- is there any other option to theses Terma's ?? I mean I need TLN, can one get the number of the working girls ?
It appears from the reports here on WSG the strip joints are a rip off and you don't seem to have much in the way of classy indepenents."
Have you looked at the indenpendent ladies on www.escortgirl.br.com? You will find some very classy ladies.
Originally posted by downunder
In reguards to Rio- is there any other option to theses Terma's ?? I mean I need TLN, can one get the number of the working girls ?
Dude, do a search in this forum on the word Help. It's a big disco, and you'll find what you're looking for.
Also many websites for escorts, just look in the local press when you get there. Looking back in this forum you'll probably find some website addresses too.
Jony Vegas
07-05-03, 14:07
Downunder
Just about every woman in Rio is available for TLN. Go to the disco HELP, or the restaurant outside of HELP, Meia Pattaca, MAB's, Balcony Bar, a strip club, or practically any women dressed sexy walking down Av Atlantica. Depending on what time you pick her up and where you pick her up, etc... and your negotiation skills will dictate the price for TLN. Remember, if you stay in a hotel most will charge you 50-100 reais, even if you booked a double. There are always the escort call services also. But I have never used one because of the all so often bait and switch, they cost more, and all the other options available in Rio you get to see and talk with them first, which is very important to me, since I am very very selective.
BTW, you can get a Terma girl for TLN, but only after she gets off work and without the Terma management knowing. I have done this a few times. I little know fact and something I have never seen posted here is that if a Terma girl does not go into work on a day she is suposed to work, she if fined 150 reais. Most of these girl are required to work 5 or 6 days per week.
I have bit the bullet for a couple sweethearts and we spent a few days and nights together. However personally, I have only done that when she and I hit it off, she was a stunner, a lot of fun, and I did not have to pay her anything but the bar fine, if you will. In other words, she wanted to be with me, so I paid her fine so we could go out for some fun. However, the majority of the girls in termas will not spend the night with a guy.
Hint: Talk with a few girls along the street, at restaurants, in HELP, wherever you want, and get their phone number and tell them you are considering getting together the following evening for TLN. If your a smart negotiator, you can ususally do better on price. However, this being the slow season, these women are wanting more money now. So getting a hottie (9 or 10) for 200 reais TLN is more difficult now, but not impossible. Just work your Downunder magic!!
Vegas
Reply to 'King of Rio' 6-21-03:
I have though about it. I know many of the Brazil police are corrupt, and I have also noticed that most Brazilians are afraid of them and avoid all contact with them, partly to avoid paying bribe money. In the past the police have been known to hassle, shake down, or even attack hookers. Therefore, I believe a *****'s threat to call police is probably a bluff, because they would be calling attention to themselves. I have heard of the 'call the police' threat being used before, but no one has actually told of what happened when they showed up. Everyone is speculating on what would happen, you included.
If a Rio ***** claims that an agreement to pay 200 Reais was really 200 USD, that's not a 'dispute', it's a ripoff. Everyone on Avenida Atlantica - girls, taxi drivers, cops, waiters - know that the going rate for hookers is 150-200 Reais. Switching dollars for Reais is tripling the price, and is way off the market.
Let's say a guy has balls, and refuses to pay the 200 dollars, and the ***** does call police. What's she going to say to them? --- "I'm a *****, and this fool from the Estados Unidos said he would pay me USD 200 for 3 hours of sex, but now he only wants to pay BR 200..." The cops will know that it isn't a legitimate dispute, and that the woman is a thief, because the price is so far out of line. They may look for a payoff from the guy - but if they also make him pay US 200 to the *****, or hassle him, arrest him, whatever - then it means that male tourists are bigger targets in Rio than we think. The man has committed no crime, after all. The cops would be assisting in the hookers' scam.
So, are you saying that we have to watch out for muggers, hustlers, bad hookers, AND corrupt cops as well? Is Rio that hazardous? You say that Rio would 'quickly change from paradise into Hell'. If what you claim is true, then Rio is really Hell in disguise, and we should all stay away.
I know that if a Rio girl tried the 'dollars for Reais' scam on me, there would be a showdown, 'cause the b--tch would NOT get the $200, no matter what she said. I know there is a shortage of 'balls' in this Forum, what with people running scared, asking 'is it safe' all the time. But, can anyone out there tell us what really happens in a case like this? Has anyone faced off with a lying, scamming ***** and called her bluff? What really happens?
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
My last piece of advice - avoid the strip clubs!! I let a friend of mine talk me into going to one again (Barbarellas this time). Nice club, nice management, attractive women, but boring as hell, you have to pay the club 50 reais to leave with a girl, after paying 50 reais to enter the club. Plus, many of the women think they are some goddesses and want between 300-500 reais. Stick with the Termas!!!
Vegas [/i]Vegas,
I agree with you on girls wanting way too much, I just laugh and tell them that they are crazy. If I like them I will counter offer. In Barbarella, the normal rate for me is at most 200R and the oher clubs, less. You have the right attitude when it comes to negatiations, it's part of the game.
Strip clubs can be lots of fun but then again it's up to you. Looks, personalities goes a long way in the strips clubs but the key is experience. After a while, I go with my instincts to weed out the hardcore garotas and try not to let my little best friend make my decision for me.
The termas in Rio make it easy, especially for newbies who don't speak the lingo but once you decide to head out into the rest of Brazil, the clubs are where most of the action is, especially SP. The problem that I have with the T's is the 40 minutes time constraints and at certain times it's a ***** when you are horny as hell and have to wait a long time for a room.
Once you are comfortable with Rio and learn to speak a few rudamentory words, look for girls from the escort agencies and girls who advertise independently. I know it's difficult because you don't get to see the girl ahead of time but in the end you meet far more part timers and girls with whom you can travel with. Of course you'll get some ugly ones but just pay for their cabs fare and send for another.
I slapped the shit out of a girl's hand in front of Mabs a few years ago. She was talking shit and grabbed my ass. She wailed and whined, threw a worthless punch, threatened to call the police, etc. I said "alright, alright," got her to sit down and ordered drinks for everyone in the vicinity.
But she wouldn't shut the fuck up. So by the time the drinks got there I was hopping fucking mad again, and hammer-fisted the table with the drinks on it -- of course spilling a full one directly into an innocent by-stander's lap. He was cool with it, she started laughing at me, I glared and then started laughing, too. I still felt like knocking that skank's teeth through the back of her head, though.
Did I ever tell you about the time 6 federal police with sub-machine guns pulled me out of a taxi in Argentina? Know what the taxi driver said by way of explanation of our activities? "Looking for prostitutes." Dumb muthafcker. Funnily, the cops all laughed -- with one of them actually walking up to me and playfully punching me in my arm (I'm, 6'3'' 230lbs. -- so I guess they all want to slap the football player in the back).
POINT IS: Never loose your cool. It puts you at a disadvantage.
Thanks for your patience with this rambler,
JWadd
Vegas (you wrote),
However, if there are some real bargain hunters out there let me know. I will tell you where you can score 1-2 hours for 80 reais. Some are cute and some are not. I only know from meeting them, but did not sample the goods.
I am going back in August & would love this bit of advice.
Thanks again for the thorough termas update. At L'uomo, it is R$200 for 1 hour in a suite which was much more comfortable than the regular 40min 'cabine'. It is also R$10 extra to pay by credit card but it is well worth it. Just think about it - 'Pussy on plastic' :-)
Have fun everyone,
Almotu
Member #1012
07-06-03, 06:42
Asian girls!
Ok, ok. so me and a couple guys are heading down to Rio and then then possibly to Sao Paulo. What I'm keenly interested in is Asian girls. Orientals. Chinese, Japanese Vietnamese, Malayasian, whatever. A good friend of mine said there's lots down in Brazil. Well. how do I find them? I've been looking online at the travelsexguide for rio and none of the agency's seem to have Asians. What to do! My buddies are ok with Latina chicks, but I prefer Asians.
Can any of you guys help? Agency's, clubs, therma's, streets. Whatever!
EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!
Jony Vegas
07-06-03, 16:20
Wango
My Portuguese lessons have paid off!!! I mean the formal ones (with private instructor) and the informal ones (friends and Terma girls)..hehehehe.
I think each person, if they have time should explore all the different avenues available to them. And each person develops their own personal preference based on thier personality and experiences. Having lived in Texas and being spolied by strip clubs in Dallas and Houston (some of the best in the world), Rio is a big let down, in terms of strip clubs.
Agency girls, my motto is is when your horny, why roll the dice and hope you get the girl in the picture and hope she has a good attitude. No, I am a planner, know what I want and go get it. I want the hot GFE experience and I like to meld into the culture of where I am. I met an agency girl (but not by calling the agency) and we enjoyed 3 blissfull days together without me being charged a single real. I got to talk with her, develop a rapport and enjoy one anothers company. That means so much more to me than 200 reais for 2 hours!! Wango, in fact you are correct, I met another girl on a trip who was an independent, and we spent 3 of the best days together also. The difference, I met them outside of their element (work) and enjoyed them without any charge. Of course I am a gentleman and we enjoyed some fine dining and entertainment. Then again, we are all human and mongers here, so we like a variety and the eternal hunt also :)
Dance clubs, I love to dance and take girls dancing. However, as close followers know of me, I make a pilgrimmage inside HELP for about 2-3 hours once a month now. It's a joke, yet for some guys they enjoy the hunt and negotiation and may not have time or inclination for other avenues, or may want a TLN. HELP provides a forum where they can check out 300 garotas in one venue. Other dance clubs, like Lapa Six, Melts, Baronetti, Peoples, etc.. are fun, but unless you go there with a local person, as I have, and I have also gone alone on occassions, your chance of picking up a woman there is virtually impossible (regardless of your level of of Portuguses speaking abilities or unless you live there). They don't want some American who is in town for a week.
So the moral of the story is Rio provides a variety of avenues for people to explore the one they see fit for them. I have found my preferred avenues to getting my hot GFE (TLN is desired) and meet new friends to visit with on each trip, and soon to be living there.
For the newbie, you are correct, the termas provide the best of all worlds, fixed price, you can talk with them, see them and enjoy them in a a safe environment wihout a hotels extra charge. Only downside is you don't get TLN, or can you??, I have with the 3 of the 3 girls I really liked and wanted to...at no extra charge!! We are still freinds to this day...so you can see my MO is different from married guy Joe from LA who is in town for a week.
I think we should set realistic expectations for newbies reading this board. Having been to seventeen countries and having the ability to adapt to other cultures quickly I understand what your saying. An experienced veteran like yourself has advantages over many of the guys who come out here looking for a bit of guidance to make their stay in Rio enjoyable. I have found that I and others seem to benefit the most when provided clear and concrete advice with names, locations, times, specific websites and potential pitfalls. I look forward to any new suggestions you have for me.
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-06-03, 16:27
JWadd
Hey man, maybe I need to reconsider hanging out with you on your next trip to Rio...lol. Don't you be getting me in trouble now!! Well, good trouble would be okay...hehehehhe.
Vegas
King of Rio
07-06-03, 21:17
Hi Rio D,
I do not really think it is a matter of balls or being scared. I guess if you are a more aggressive person then you will be more inclined to fight with the girl about the money. I know that is really more about the principle than about the money. However, I just would not like any problems in a foreign country.
Actually, my friend does work in one of the hotels in Copacabana and witnessed a story similar to the one you told. She told of a foreigner who broguht a girl back to the hotel. She then told of how the girl started screaming and complaining that the guy didnt want to pay the money and that she was going to call the police and stuff. The manager was qucikly alerted to settle the dispute. He just told the guy that it would be best if he just the paid the lady the money she was asking for, so that they could escort her out of the hotel.
Now, I am guessing that maybe the girl did not keep to the deal they had or did not do everything she promised she was going to do behind closed doors. My friend continued to complain of how these foreginer come to Rio to have sex with the prgramas but then do not want to pay (even though they have so much money). Most of the Brasilians I have met think that way so this is why I advised that you settle the matter personally with the girl. It is widely recognized that in most situation, calling the police should be the last resort to resolve the problem as opposed to the first.
Just my two cents
...Yah, reading that again it sounds a little over the top to me, too. Man, if I hadn't knocked her hand away my shirt would have ripped. What a Byatch!
Problem is, I of course ran into her the next three consecutive nights at Help -- buying her a drink, petting her hair and whispering to her how pretty she is everytime. Who won? Certainly not me.
Staying mellow,
JWadd
Member #1012,
Brazil has the largest Japanese folks outside Japan but getting a professional asisan girl in the night scene is not impossible but not easy as well.
Only good change of an asisan girl would be one with Japanese heritage. My last visit to Rio (August 2002) for one week vacation did not find me a single one in therma's, strip joints or the Help.
There might be better probability in Sao Paulo though. I've been in a few clubs and each one has a couple of girls with oriental heritage. If you check the outcall services website serving SP market, you would find a few asian girls with limited availability and higher prices.
I like oriental girls too with small frame. So I get them when opportunities present, especially while traveling in China, Singapore, Thailand and around that part of the world. I have traveled to about 20 countries to date. And, Brazilian girls are number #1 in my book. Their attitude towards having great time and own life clicks very well with mine. Therefore, I got myself a gril in Sao Paulo. She loves to see and hang out with me while I'm in town. That's all she care about.
Enjoy these beauties when you are down there in Brazil. You would not be disappointed.
Jony Vegas
07-07-03, 01:03
Almotu
I ran into a handful of em hanging around outside of Barbarellas (Av. Prado Junior and Av. Nossa Senhora Copacabana), a block from Mab's, and around the corner from Franks, etc...between 1 and 2am. No joke, 2 different garotas (rate em 6's) offered me 80 reais for 1-2 hours at my hotel. Christ the hotel fee for a girl is as much if not more than the girl herself.
Good points you added about Luomo!!!
Vegas
Rio Lovers, Not So Fast
I'll take Sao Paulo or Buenos Aires over Rio any day of the week. In " 1 " club in Panama I found more attractive girls then 5 days in Rio looking at almost all of them. Some termas had cockroaches running up and down the wall and the shower (4 x 4) to be specific.
Escorts service that 1 would compare to a dart game at 50 yards.
Its a beautiful city with a great beach but other then Centuras most girls looked like cheap *****s compared the other cities mentioned above. I just don't get the love affair you all have with this town other then the cheap prices for women.
Bring on the comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Starfe
Ponce de Leon
07-07-03, 05:23
No need for Starfe to be flamed because although I love Rio very much I typically find most of the girls in Rio are not my type. However, I have never had any problem finding girls to keep me busy day after day.
Buenos Aires is a more cosmopolitan city with many European influences. Sao Paulo is a business metropolis with millions of people. Rio is greographically beautiful as Starfe mentioned but he might have had back luck because many of the super hotties are not in Rio. June and July are slow times of the year.
Anyway glad you got a taste of Rio. Each city in SA has it's own flavor. Something to love about each city and I bet you'll make it back to Rio sometime.
I also found high quality sessions at Centaurus. 4 X 4 isn't my favorite terma either but you should have gone to Luomo and some others too. I've always been hit or miss with agencies but found a few cities. Had my best hotties at Help and Barbarellas.
Looking forward to reading more of your reports.
Ponce
Vegas,
Sometimes you get lazy and want a quick fix without leaving your room. Sometimes I feel lazy and do not want the hassle of going to the T's and put on the robe, listen to that loud music and go for a quick in a tiny room that may or may not be air conditioned. And believe it or not, sometimes I get tired of going to the T's. LOL (Not too often though). Agencies and old phone numbers are often a good diversion for that afternoon quicky. I usually call the agency and ask for a certain type of girl that I like and told them not to waist my time or their time because I will send them back. More often than not it seems to work out pretty well. Afterwards, eat a meal and sleep well for that night time trolling!
And you are right. It does not matter where you find them, it's up to you and her. How you look, hygienes, attiudes toward them will get you what you want, sometimes. Like you said, freebees can be had and there is nothing like a wet and horny girl who just want to jump your ****, again and again and again ... LOL.
Starfe,
I have been going to Brazil since '99 and seven other countries since and as far as Brazil is concern, lately, I only stay in Rio for a couple of days because of local friends. I much prefer SP because of the sheer number and variety of garotas. In Brazil, Sp is where tha money is and all the girls go there to make a living. The population of SP is around 20 million. You can find girls from all parts of brazil. Of course it's more expensive, places are spread out but with so many girls.
Rio is good for the summer months when the Brazilian tourists comes to town but the rest of the time, after you have gone there a while, it's the same old talents and there is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty to go around.
Haven't been to Ba so no comments.
For me, it's about seing new places, meeting new people and sampling the local delicacies and lots of them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's only skin deep at best. Anyway, to each his own.
JoshJosh69
07-07-03, 20:03
Yeah, well I was in Rio in January last time (I go two to three times per year), and I was a little disappointed in the Mea Pitaca scene this time. It seems to have gone downhill over the past couple of years. What's the story with Balcony Bar? It's a nice looking place from the outside, and I am curious if anyone has spent any length of time there yet. I'm going back to Rio on July 20th (thanks to financial aid I borrowed-I'm a student) and want to know how this place is. Any comments would be appreciated.
Balcony American Bar:
open 24 hrs! American music on the loud speakers. Lots of beer choices: american, mexican, german, etc. Good food. Very laid back environment. Gets crowded late at nite. After Help closes, this place is still rock'n! the garotas are not as dressed up like they are outside of Help. More Mulattas hang out here. Similar to the garotas at Mab's
Above is Holiday Club, (15R cover includes 1 drink) a strip club with daily live sex show around 1a. Also have back room action. Or can take out (50r bar fine) Keep track of what you're drinking. They padded my bar tab when i was last there.
Just returned from Rio. It seems Balcony has taken over from Mabs and, in fact, is much better. Three of us went to Balcony about 11:00 and there were plenty of great looking girls.
I finally organized a "festival" at VIPS and, althought it came out fine, it turned out really expensive. If any of you try it just be aware of the VIPs extr R$31 per person charge for all persons above two per room. There were four guys and five girls and, with drinks, the VIPs charge came out to almost R$700!
Add another R$ 1,500 for the girls and it was one expensive night--a real memory though. Two of the girls were chosen at Meia Pataca and three came from one of the agencies--CompanyGirls, I think.
Anyway, I'd do it again but, in the summer so one can enjoy the private pool, and during the day so you can enjoy the great views.
Where's the Balcony Bar?
TIA,
JW
Balcony Bar is on Ave. Atlantica, just a block or two towards Ipanema from Mabs.
Hey Jonny Vegas, give me a call if you're still in town.... we never did have that beer....
9447-9981
kenn
Jony Vegas
07-09-03, 02:49
Kenn,
Hey there!! I know I apologize, I was going to call you a week ago Monday, but I was trying to finalize things before I left. The trip seemed more like business than pleasure, and then a sweet honey ocupied my entire last 3 days and nights(Sun-Tues). I am sure you understand...
Anyway, I cleaned up my Rio files and transferred your phone number to my phone book. I still had your number and will definitely call you when I return to Rio - working on the exact date.
BTW, I got the impression you were getting out of the apt business. If my impression was wrong, let me know. I found a couple places I liked but don't know if they will be available when I return.
I owe you a beer good man!!!
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-09-03, 02:58
Starfe does not warrant any replies. We all know there are beautiful women everywhere and this forum is to help share the info. Debating personal preferences is neither constructive nor informative.
I urge others not to feed his attention getting schemes and lets try and make this an even better thread. Buenos Aires thread is very good one if any of you have read it; anchored by Jackson, Roxanne and a few others who live there. Hopefully we can accomplish the same here!! I will do what I can to get even better info and coordinate some things once I move to Rio.
Respectfully,
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-09-03, 03:03
Wango
Right on man!! I look forward to having a beer and seeing how much fun we can drum up. Hope your portuguese is muito bom so you can teach me the things they don't teach you in classes.
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-09-03, 03:08
Chingon
Hey I noticed that strip bar above Balcony Bar when I was there in June, but it was not there in May. Can you share some more details about the "back room action" you referred to. What's the cost for a room? girls? is it negotiable? how much time?
You are the pioneer of this thread to experience it. Per my posts, I am not a Rio strip club fan (many pad beer tabs per other posts), but others might and it is green pasture. Is it worth a visit??
Thanks,
Vegas
Turbolover
07-09-03, 11:24
Attnetion Rio guys that have been all around Brazil-
What are your favorite mongering destinations in Brazil?
Getting a Varig Air Pass, so besdies Sao Paulo and Rio, what are your favs?
Obrigado!
Jonny Vegas, sorry I missed you.
No, I not getting out of the business. I'm going to Buenos Aires to explore the possibility of starting a similar business there. Keep in touch about your next trip to Rio. I'll let you know how Buenos Aires turns out........
kenn
Jony Vegas:
Balcony American Bar & Holiday
located at: Av. Atlântica, 1424
The Holiday Club has always been there. i first visited it in April, and it was "dead." just me and another guy, and maybe a dozen lackluster garotas. i paid a 50R bar fine and took a garota out of there. Paid her 200R in the morning, very outstanding performance from her btw, she was very oral! :-)
On a return trip in May, Holiday was packed, due to the Balcony Bar crowd. More garotas too. i never inquired about the cost for the back room action. I can only imagine the dingy room, much better to take "carry out." of course, you'd negotiate an overnite rate with her. one other thing, the Holiday has poor air conditioning.
Just back from Rio last week.
FYI I did see a hot Asian (half japanese) girl in Help, but unfortunately I got the impression that she was rather cold and a bit of a *****. I saw her a few nights later at Terracao Atlantico with another Asian girl.
Will provide more details on trip later.
H.
JoshJosh69
07-11-03, 01:21
Thank you for all the info on Balcony Bar. I will try it out this time. I, of course have seen Holiday from the outside, however in the 7 times I have been to Rio, I have never entered a strip club or other club advertising girls. It is absolutely pointless. If you want to help out the local economy, then sure, but otherwise it's just a way to get your money. I am counting down the days (10 left until I am there again) and also borrowing money from my grandparents so I can monger. Life is sometimes tough. I can't wait to sit at Mea Pitaca and order a chopp from Antonio, and read my bopk until I am ready to monger.
Here is another little item from my trip to Rio. I have heard about girls who say that it was USDollars they were talking about and not Reals, after the deed is done.
I took up a couple of girls to the apartment that I didn't totally trust. On the way in, I told the doorman that it was their birthday and therefore I was giving them each a present of 150R, and I wrote it on a slip of paper, showed it to them for agreement and to him. "R" for Reals was prominently marked. I just said I wanted to make sure we understood each other clearly. That was to make sure they didn't try to scam me later.
I ended kicking them both out, they were so uncooperative. The second one started crying when I told her to leave. So I escorted her downstairs in order to explain to the doorman why I kicked her out and why she was crying. I didn't want her carrying any bogus stories to anyone. A real drama princess. Here is something funny, also, which I think was just more acting for sympathy. She said, you don't have to come downstairs with me. I replied, I am going to explain to the doorman why I am kicking you out. She said "Is he going to hit me?".
Sorry, but they were just such scammers that it is hard for me to muster up any sympathy for her.
How she was uncooperative? It was one thing after another--no kissing on mouth, then no kissing nipples, then demanding why did you lock the door, then why did you turn the lights down, basically objecting to and challenging everything I did. I just didn't need that.
This was totally the exception in Rio, most of the girls were very eager to please, and I will post about some of my other experiences.
More to follow...
Hooky,
Too bad about your experience with the drama queens. Were they pick ups from HELP? I know it might not help much but what names did they call themselves by? Bit of information could help other mongers avoid the drama.
I usually ask to see their ID cards to verify that they are pass 18. Make sure they show you their the government ID & not the "working papers" one which has no photo. In this way, if the ID is real you get to know the real name & birthday . . . in case the garota is GF material.
In some ways, this is why going to the termas is better. No hassles. I like HELP for the music & dancing maybe twice in one week. The "no bermudas" rule is also BS - especially during the summer!!! Otherwise I stay with the action by the outdoor restaurant & go to the termas.
Looking forward to your post on the two asians. I remember on my last trip I met one outside HELP with the personality of a TV dinner. No life in this one. Considering she had no breasts nor booty, she was really quiet almost standoff-ish. She just stood there until some guy approached her for a chat. Walked around like a zombie. She would do better if she was friendlier. I guess she thought her novelty would be her selling point.
Oh well, to each its own,
Almotu
Charm City Dave
07-12-03, 15:09
Rio is a dangerous place! I just got back. Let me explain that I am a regular vistor to Rio. I admit it I am hooked. But at the same time, newbies and first timers need to know the very real risk they are taking each and every time they go down there.
This last trip I was held up a gun point about 40 feet from the extrance of my hotel on Rua Siquera Campos. It was only 10:00 at night. Plenty of people where around. The son of a ***** cocked the dam thing. All I can remember thinking was I hope a cop does not come by or this guy is going to pull the trigger and I am dead.
Two nights later I was sitting with some friends at the cafe in front of help. A cop on Avenida Atlantico appearently asked a cab to stop. When he didn't the cop opened fire on the cab. He essentially sent three shots in the direction of a crowd. It was a miracle no on got hit by a stray.
A few months ago a gang hit the Citibank (where most of us get our money). The cops came in and the bullets where flying everywhere. Bystanders where shot.
Drug gangs have been firebombing and shooting up tourist areas in the hopes of pressuring the local government to ease up. A local shopping mall was attacked with a genade. The gangs are better armed, better payed and more numerous then the cops. Hell a local soap opera (Mulheres Apaixonadas) is killing off a main charecter (Fernanda) by having her killed by a stray bullet in Leblon.
An American was recently set up in a sting where he went with a girl with a fake ID. He thought she was over 18, but then the cops swarmed in. After he spent a few nights in a Brazilian jail and gave the cops $50,000 he was allowed to leave. I know of another guy who got stung this way when the girl planted drugs in his hotel.
Will I ever got to Rio again??? Perhaps. But given all the info on WSG on all the other cities, I can't say I'd recommend this place to anyone.
Hey Moreyada,
As a newbie going to Brazil for my first time in September I am pretty concerned after reading your post. Where was your hotel that you got held up at? Copacabana? Has anyone else had similar experiences?
Carlos Primeros
07-13-03, 06:53
Morelyada, your report is correct concerning the dangers of Rio.
I usually stay at the Avenida Atlantica with a lot of cops around, at Rua Siqueira Campos there are also a lot of cops and usually it is safe. Only when I drive in the night in some of the remoter areas like the Av. Presidente etc. I do not stop at the traffic lights. I usually carry only 100 - 200 Real and a Credit Card. If I am robbed I do not try to be a hero but give the money and let them f*ck off.
But nevertheless I love Rio
Trippleecks
07-13-03, 12:16
moreyada, sorry you got robbed at gun point. i have heard about guys getting a knife pulled on them but you are the first that had a gun pointed at him, i've heard about in nearly 4 years. i had some prick pull a gun on me in nyc about 6 years ago on madison and 34th street, in broad daylight.
(( drug gangs have been firebombing and shooting up tourist areas in the hopes of pressuring the local government to ease up. a local shopping mall was attacked with a genade. the gangs are better armed, better payed and more numerous then the cops. hell a local soap opera (mulheres apaixonadas) is killing off a main charecter (fernanda) by having her killed by a stray bullet in leblon.))
that trouble stopped a few months ago.. i saw the damage caused by the so called bomb, it was just shattered glass. a granade would have done much worse dammage. also it was set off at 4 am, so no people would be hurt.
the soap opra is not going to kill off fernanda with a stray bullet, that was just a story leaked to the press to gain more viewers... it's all about the $$$...
(( an american was recently set up in a sting where he went with a girl with a fake id. he thought she was over 18, but then the cops swarmed in. after he spent a few nights in a brazilian jail and gave the cops $50,000 he was allowed to leave. i know of another guy who got stung this way when the girl planted drugs in his hotel.))
i heard that story also but i heard $5,000. are you sure it was a sting and not some **** getting what he deserved?
i have heard about the girls planting drugs in your room but in 4 years i have never actually met someone that had it done to him. it always seems to be a friend of a friend story that keeps going around.
Charm City Dave
07-13-03, 15:35
nodd_n, the fellow set up was definetly no ****. i've known him for many years. he was set up. the cost was $50k. he had to have his brother from the us bring it down.
as for the drug story, i heard it from the guys best friend. never did meet the actual fellow as he will never go back to brazil. btw, same thing happened recently to well known brazilian business man (if i can find the story) i'll post the url.
hey before i looked down the barrel of that gun i had a very relaxed attitude towards rio. i heard some stories but ignored them. i have been going down for almost 10 years. things have changed in the last few years... i think it is just a matter of time before someone is ended in rio.
someone else asked the name of the hotel. it was the atlantico on rua siquera campos in copacbana.
Moreyada,
The Atlantico is where I stay each time I am in Rio. I am concerned about what happened to you. Can you elaborate on what happened? On what date did this happen? What you were doing? Were you with a girl? Are you a flashy dresser that makes you a target? How much did the mugger get from you? You never said what happened after he cocked the gun. ...etc. These are important points. I have always found the neighborhood around Atlantico to be safe. I usually walk around there all the time at night without incident. I am going back in August & would appreciate any new facts that you have.
Be safe,
Almotu
You might want to give Sao Paulo a shot. I see less police in that city than Rio though. I usually stay in the Jardins which is deadly quiet at night but have always been safe for me.
Moreyada,
Sorry to hear what happened to you.
Rio is as dangerous as any other big cities so common sense is always needed but you don't have to hire any bodyguard just to go / walk around copacabana / centro.
Always be aware where you are (learn the map) and do not walk around drunk.
I walked around at night (not recommended when you are not comfortable) including the area around Hotel Atlantico (if I'm not mistaken is across the mall where Luomo is located). if you need to walk from your hotel (let say debret) to Luomo or Monte Carlo (Rua Hilario de Gouveia) try to use different ways like you can one/three blocks walk thru Rua Domingos ferreira and then through Avenida NS de Copacabana - so you will see when somebody following you or not.
For me Rio/Copacabana is much safer to walk at night than San Jose Costarica. But always keep in mind when you are not comfortable just take a cab.
Is it any safer in Ipanema, and would you recommend that for a 1st timer?
Charm City Dave
07-14-03, 03:14
I think Ipanema is a bit safer than copa. However all the action is on Copa or downtown so. Only tips I can give you is.
1) Stay sober
2) Take cabs everywhere at night
3) Everyone will know you are an American, but no reason to advertise it. Don't be loud!!!
4) Stay in a hotel. Apartments are a bit cheaper but there is no security. Also girls have to show ID to get into you hotel.
5) Consider a trip to Thailand (or many other locations you can learn about on WSG). Even with SARs and Osama it is much much safer.
Yeah, Rio is no paradise. On my first trip there I walked around starry-eyed, thinking it was a wonderland, but with more time, more trips, and learning the language, I have seen the underlying negatives. To learn the truth about the place, you have to spend less time in a horizontal position with the girls, and more time in an upright position, sober, meeting other Brazilians.
Even the residents of Sao Paulo will warn you of the problems of Rio. However, one Brazilian friend of mine said that she believed the crime in Sao Paulo was "more bad". She said, "In São Paulo everyone is a target, but in Rio, they only go after tourists..." Huh?
All the scary stories are true, and then some. A friend of mine took early retirement and moved there, living in Copacabana like Hugh Hefner - on a civil service pension. The girls treat him like a celebrity because he has his own apartment, and he has a great time, but he has witnessed murders, muggings, you name it.
There are undercover cops in and around Help Disco, and on Avenida Atlantica, at any given time, looking to bust people for drugs and other violations. And in a slow week, some will create a violation and set someone up for arrest. And watch the little boys who panhandle on the Avenue. One kid pickpocketed another friend of mine for US$60. Not a lot of money to a 'gringo' tourist, but I bet that kid was dancing a samba that night in the favela.
Rio has been a world-famous tourist attraction for many years, and has become a tourist trap as well, unfortunately. There is a lot of the usual tourist resentment of around - even though many Rio locals profit from the male tourists. Basically, the locals believe that men who travel thousands of miles just to walk around drunk in Copacabana, overpaying hookers, are fools. Brazilians sometimes refer to Copacabana as a 'gringo zoo'.
Personally, the more I learn of the language and culture, the less time I spend in Rio, and the more time I spend in the other cities of Brazil. The other cities don’t have the ‘screw-the-gringo-tourist’ mentality. But you need to know the language. You encounter very few English-speaking Brazilians outside of Copacabana.
To DocBill449 – There is less pressure in Ipanema, but hardly any action. You will end up in Copacabana most likely, even if your hotel is elsewhere.
Trippleecks
07-14-03, 13:13
many people have been going to rio for years with no problems whatsoever. it's not as dangerous as some might say it is. we still don't know the whole story behind the stick up. maybe the guy with the gun followed him to his hotel right after he used an atm machine.
a setup with the cops is certainly possible but i know from first hand experience that all of the **** girls working the streets in rio have phony id's. we as tourists have no way of telling a phony from the real thing. so, what i started to do was always say that i am staying in a hotel, the hotels always check id's. so when i say that i'm staying at the ----- hotel, i wait for her response. "i can't go to that hotel, i had some trouble there in the past" strike 1. then i might say lets go into help.. again i wait for her response." i don't like going into help" strike 2... i don't wait for a strike 3, i leave !!!
there are plenty of girls available that are over 18 years old working in rio. why take chances if you don't need to...
i'm curious as to what happened to your friend that got busted with the young girl when he got off the plane in the usa. were the fed's waiting for him?
Exec Talent
07-14-03, 14:26
I have been reading the posts here for sometime, and wanted to let you know that many Cariocas are very concerned about the recent violence. Most feel that in lately it has gotten much worse.
When visiting Rio, try to make friends with a few cabbies. When you need a cab, call them. May cost you a little more, but it is safer. I left Help one night and the girl I was with tried to steer me to a certain cab. Turned out to be her boyfriend and the purpose was to rob me. (If you don't have a regular cab, choose your own, don't let the girl choose it for you). As I was riding in the cab, her boyfriend kept driving along side. Finally we drew the attention of the police who pulled us over and searched me. My biggest concern was that they would plant drugs on me as they were going through my pockets. The cab driver ask me if I had given them any money (I had not). They may have taken a few dollars, but it could not have been much, as (another piece of advice) do not carry much. I also only carry a copy of my passport and leave the original locked in the hotel safe.
On a much lighter note, it is possible to meet a Brazilian woman and fall in love. Be careful, don't get taken, but treat women well and you will be rewarded. I became friends with a number of the women during my many visits to Rio often seeing and chatting with them on the streets. One final note, it is not at all unusual for women to spend time with you without expecting or wanting to be paid. Treat them nice. You might get a reputation. Wink, Wink.
Hey Guys:
Couple of observations and replies to recent posts....
Hooky: Glad you enjoyed Rio AGAIN, sorry about the drama queen, but like I've told you before, the girls who are part of the "vida" aren't all neccesirally sane. Then again, neither are we, so it all balances out in the end.... ;-) But you're absolutely right to kick the pain-in-the-as girls out into the street, and reading between the lines I see that the garotas were suprised as hell to find an american with backbone. Brazilian garotas de programa in general are great and you should treat them well, like you would a girlfriend (at lesat for the one night...), but don't take any shit either. Hell, half the reason you're PAYING them is so you don't have to deal with all the drama of a regular relationship (witness me... you better believe there was some DRAMA in Rio for me. But everything turned out great in the end, what a crazy life! ;-) ).
Moreyada and Co.: Yeah well, I've heard all these tales too, the druggings, the stings, "I know the guy personally", etc. Have these things happened, do they happen? Yes, but it's so rare it borders on an urban legend. Holdups at gunpoint, although I hate to hear that it happened to you, thank the mongering gods that you're OK, are also very rare. Knifepoint is way more common. Either way, the proper thing to do is not react, just hand over the money (and never carry more than you can afford to lose). Still, none of this is any worse than any other big city - NYC has it's share of heists, muggings, shoot-outs and crooked police and it's about the same population as Rio. Just keep your eyes open and you'll be fine.
Yes, I've written this before and gotten responses around the general tune of "No, Rio so dangerous, there's no way you can prevent these crimes, it's more than just being aware, etc." Maybe so, but still there's a lot you can do to prevent being a victim - why stay on Siqueira Campos? Right by the Metro (yeah, it closes at 9PM, but still...), THE major conduit for bandits from the Zona Norte to come make a visit to Zona Sul? In general, every block you go back from Av. Atlanida is more dangerous - N.S. Copacabana is still OK, but by the time you are 3-4 blocks back you are way to close to Morro do Pavao, Cantagalo and the other favelas that back up Cobacana.. just asking for trouble. Citibank, the same bank all the other gringo mongers go to for cash... as I've written before, your most vulnerable moment in Brasil is coming out of the ATM. People watch, people follow. Hit the ATM during the day, blend in with the crowds, don't go straight to your hotel, use your head! Well, enough preaching, but one last observation - I've never seen as much police in Copacabana, Ipanema, Leblon, etc as I have on this trip - the local govt is really going all-out to protect the tourism industry. And, for the first time ever, I didn't witness a single crime in Rio this time - there's usually always a purse-snatching or two to liven up the scene, this time nothing... empricial evidence, but I think the heightened police presence is working.
Enjoy the life!
Tom B.
Charm City Dave
07-15-03, 03:23
Tomb, I think people can disagree about how dangerous Rio is but to compare it to NY is crazy. I live in NY. I have no friends, co-workers or family members that has ever been a victim of violent crime. I never heard of an armed robbery at a bank where bullets where flying. Perhaps one could try to compare it to NY of the 70, when NY was much more dangerous (remember the Death Wish movies?), but I was in college in NY then and it still never felt 1/4 as dangerous as Rio. My girlfriend in Rio has been robbed of her cell phone 3 times (by armed robbers). They rob whole buses for gods sake. That does not happen in NY. I have heard the average Rio native is mugged once a year. And think how much more temping a target an American is.
A few other points. I was not coming from the ATM when I was robbed. I was walking back from dinner at the Siqueira Grill. I only had about 100 Reals on me. The disappoinment of the mugger was palpable as I'm sure most Gringos he hits have more money. Also as for the fellow that was set up, I have no idea what happened to him when he returned to the US. If the charges where dropped in Rio, I don't know what they could have done to him here. As for Avenida Atlantico being 'safe', another friend of mine was slashed on the arm with a razor a on the corner of Atlantico near the Orthon. He had to get stiches at the hospital.
Hey look, I'm probably going to go back myself... I doubt the dangers of drugs effect many addicts. And I am definetly addicted to Rio. But for those of you that aren't, perhaps you don't want to start. If you do go, I think those of us with experience will do you a service telling you exactly what can happen so you can be on your gaurd. Just something to think about. If it wheren't so goulish I would definelty bet that within a year or two some Gringo in Rio is going to get wacked. It is just a matter of time.
Charm City Dave
07-15-03, 03:40
Almotu,
This incident happened in June. I don't remember what day it was. I was not dressed flashy (shorts and a tee shirt). Its funny because as I left the restaurant Siqueira Grill I realized I had an expensive watch on. I removed it and stuck it in my back pocket before I was out the door.
Walking west Campos I noticed two large guys behind me in front of the Big Bobs. I noticed them because they both had rather nice mountain bikes with them. Because of the nice bikes I did not even think of them as a threat. I had seen other thives on bikes on Atlantica. One once grabbed for a walkman I was carrying (on Sunday when they make it a pedestrian walk), but I had a tight grip and he couldn't get it. But his bike was old and beat up. In any case they looked clean cut, had clean clothes and did not look menacing. I forgot about them and continued to walk.
About in front of where the butcher is (left side of Campos 1/4 block east of the hotel), one grabbed me from behind. The other stuck the gun in my face and cocked it. They riffled through my pockets and took my cash. They left my cell (it is an older model) and my credit cards. They missed my pocket in the back where I had a $150 watch. I'm not sure how much I had but it wasn't much more than 100R. They where very nervous and shaky during the robbery and jumped on their biked and road off.
I think it was a Thursday night. I was not any later than 10. Thats about all I can remember.
Charm City Dave
07-15-03, 03:44
Exec Talent I think you are right. Rio has always been dangerous but has gotten moreso in the last few year. Any Carioca will tell you this. I have a Brazilian girl in my office and she said she will not go home to visit her parents. She is sending them tickets to come her.
Interesting story about the cops... I'm never sure if I should be more afraid of them or the 'bad guys'. They only make a couple of $100 a month. If they can shake a gringo down for a grand, thats 6 months pay.
Trippleecks
07-15-03, 13:53
Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait, Moreyanda, your girlfriend has been robbed of her cell phone 3 times by armed men?? I suppose she has asked you to buy her a new phone each time?
Yes busses have been robbed but you continue to make it sound as if EVERY BUS gets robbed. It's VERY VERY rare that a bus gets robbed. Come on, you must work for a News Paper, stop with the exaggerated stories and lets get to the truth!! How many busses have been robbed like that in say, the last 3 years ?? I know, I know, you are going to say that you have no idea but you have heard stories.
As for you getting robbed at gun point. I'm sorry you had to go through that but it sounds like you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. You did not listen to the little voice in your head when you saw the 2 robbers checking you out, and just decided to walk back to your Hotel.
As for your friend. If the Fed's found out what happened in Rio it would not matter if the charges were dropped or not. It's a Felony in the US to travel outside the country for the purpose of having sex with a minor.
The guy that got slashed on his arm, was this about 3 years ago? Was that the guy that the hooker he was with and some Cabbie took to the hospital?
I have also lived in NYC (for 8 years) and as in Rio, it depends on where you live in any City, as to how dangerous the neighborhood is. Some areas in NYC are still dangerous, especially at night.
If you're so scared of Rio then stay home. But please don't keep the rummers and the exaggerated stories circulating.
Exec Talent
07-15-03, 16:25
My girlfriend, who is very honest, had her phone stolen while I was talking to her. If the economy is bad in the US, think of what it is now like in Brazil. Desperate people do desperate things. I have been going to Rio for a number of years and never had a problem (other than the cab incident with the police). I even walked alone through the largest Favala (during the day) and nobody bothered me.
I am not trying to scare anyone, just be aware that the situation is more dangerous than in the past. Don't wear your fancy clothes or jewelry. Buy some clothes from local merchants, I find the shorts and shirts particularly comfortable, the quality is good and the price is right. Buses are robbed. Take taxis when possible and before you get out, try to know where you are going -- then get there.
Learn some Portuguese - Pimsleur has a tape/CD series which is very good for learning the basics. Treat the women well, take them to lunch / dinner, buy them flowers or something, give them more than just the minimum. Treat them like a girlfriend and that is what you will get. Guys who worry about giving a girl 5 Réis too much may think they had a great experience, but I doubt they know what that experience could have been.
Question about overnights: It seems that no one talks about one or two or three hour sessions. Is it just customary in Brazil that the girl will spend the whole night? Personally I would rather have some fun and have her leave. I like to sleep alone. Would this be considered rude or offensive, and how would I appropriately clarify that? Thanks!
"I don't pay them for the sex; I pay them to leave afterward."
Carlos Primeros
07-15-03, 20:16
At present time MABs is dead. Balcony has taken all the girs over, not the very best - a lot of mulatas. But why are you in Rio? To fu*k Mulatas!
Posto 5 in front of Mei Pataca and Terraca Atlantica just beside help is also a very good place.
Prices:
Guicky = 60 - 80 Real
One - two hours = 100 Real
All-nighter = 150 Real
Girls usually ask for more but this is the old b.s.-story. You for sure know how to handle it.
BTW: if you like to eat well, Terraca Atlantica besides Help has excellent food. Better than Meia Pataca
Jony Vegas
07-15-03, 20:40
DocBill
It is certainly not rude to only want them for 2 hours and then have them leave. Infact, most garotas will give you short-time price to begin with. Many mogers then try to negotiate their short-time price for TLN. Just tell them upfront you only want 2 hours and they will leave when the time is up. Or, they won't be offended if you ask them leave when your done.
You may be able to get a better deal this way, especially the earlier in the evening it is, becasue they may go back out looking for another guy. Don't be surprised if some then try and hit you up for cab money...lol. Happy hunting....
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-15-03, 21:00
Hey all fellow mongers - Can we all agree that in any city with 5-7 million people there will always be crimes committed on locals and foreigners, regardless of what country it is. Hell if you think about it the taxi drivers are thiefs, when they don't want to turn their meter on and quote a ridiculous fee to the unknowing tourist.
Many of us, including myself, know people or have witnessed petty crimes in their hometown, whether that be NYC, Miami, RIO, Sau Paulo, London, Paris, or small town USA. I am sure some were flashy, while others just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.
There were some very good posts about precautions to take to minimize your chances of becoming a victim. I appreciate those posts and I will certainly keep those in mind when walking on the streets in my hometown as well as my future trips to Rio or anywhere else.
Lets all exercise good judgement, look out for one another and cross our fingers that we don't become a future victim. I think the important point is BE ALERT and BE CAREFUL. Beyond that its just unproductive bickering, and he says she says.... :)
Vegas
Jony Vegas
07-15-03, 21:44
Suggestion for newbies and others - I bought a plastic coated map of Rio (includes Ipanema/Leblon/downtwon) on amazon.com that is so thin that I fold it up and put it in my back pocket. It has been used and abused and is still in perfect condition. It was only $3.95.
I have found it invaluable to locating places people refer to on here before I ever arrived in Rio. It helped me decide where to stay and whether I should walk or take taxis. And when I do take a taxi, I can easily estimate how much it should cost and know if they are taking me the long way, if you know what I mean.
Vegas
Those that have shared information here recently regarding risks, muggings, scamming chicas, scamming cabbies, drug planting, police set ups... thank you. I am glad such is welcome on these boards as they seem to be aimed at helping the gringo rather than promoting sex tourism.
My first thought is, what else is new? We all knew of these risks, I hope. This has been common in that part of the world since as long as I can remember, ESPECIALLY when it comes to dealing with gringo tourists there to party. It is far from all myth. Though I know we have plenty of problems here, I find the comparsions with major U.S. cities unconvincing. It is a different phenomenon down there. They are waiting on you, know you when they see you, know you would rather avoid conflict, and laugh when they get you. And if the issue is legal, you are typically not going to be afforded the same level of due process and fair treatment you will get here. You are in the 3rd World.
There is a lot of good sex at cheap prices in Latin America, and if you have a fetish for Latin women or want to live on the edge, perhaps this is where you want to be. But keep in mind, many gringos likely are too proud to admit, on here or in person, when they have been taken. Weigh the savings and pleasures against the risks. And the gringos you meet or posts or read with reports of never a problem, girls cumming and cumming, breaking hearts, and free sex for days, take it with a grain of salt. There is surely some truth here and there, but the male ego is prone to exageration, self-delusion, or outright fiction. Take safety tips from old timers, have fun and be safe if you go.
whosudaddy
07-17-03, 08:52
Having scoured these pages over the last several weeks in anticipation of my upcoming trip, I finally feel prepared to make the most of my two weeks in Brazil. Thanks to all for the information. Although, I am far from being a rookie to porno vacations (Thialand, DR several times, Cuba, Colombia, and countless trips to TJ in my short 35 years) I find myself traveling solo this time around. I arrive on Sat 7/19 in Sao Paulo for a couple days then on Monday onto Rio until the 8/3.
I would welcome any and all like minded to contact to hook up while we are there. whosudaddy@yahoo.com
Cutting Edge
07-18-03, 00:17
If you want to hit Vila Mimosa on the cheap and avoid the guides, then its easy to get to on the bus.
From Copa, take a 464 for Maracana. Get off at Praca da Banderas(sic). Walk under the bridge and go straight(you'll pass a Hells Angels bar), at the end take a right and go straight for 50yards and you're there. When you go under the bridge I wouldn't take the first right, one time late in the evening we passed in a car and some guys had two others up against the wall in a side street with a pistol pointed at them.
Once inside VM, the girls want 20R$ plus 5/7R$ for the room(thats for 20mins). You'll recognise some of the girls from the Balcony etc!! But much cheaper once in there.
Charm City Dave
07-18-03, 02:29
Nodd_N,
Do you (or a good friend) profit from the tourist trade? That is the only reason I can think of as to why you want to minimize the very real dangers of going to Rio. I have no axe to grind. I have posted great stories of new and exciting places on the Internet since 1996. Search for posts in the archive on Costa Rica and the DR by 'Your Connoisseur'. And as I have said it is arguable whether the risk / reward ratio going to Rio is worth it. My small head may take over and I may go back sometime myself.
Why am I sharing these true stories? This is not a tabloid newspaper from which I profit. I think the purpose of this board is to let people know how it really is in Rio. I read many articles on the great sex that can be had in Rio. I think some of them are exagerated, but the end story is if one goes to Rio for any length of time, one is going to have some good sex. Can it be gotten elseware without the risk, I think so but it is certainly arguable. But there is another aspect. There are dangers. Hey, I'm not touting the risk of HIV here. I think the risk there is much lower then getting shot or knifed.
BTW I never bought or gave my girlfriend money for a phone. This is my girlfriend I am talking about. No money passes hands between us. They where stolen as each time she had to email me her new phone number. One time we where walking on Avenida Atlantico and I took out my phone to make a call and I thought the girl was going to faint. She later screamed at me for 'taking such a risk'.
Why do you object to my post so much? What is your agenda?
Hotel Debret no longer Guest Friendly !!
Someone just e-mailed me asking if I could check out a rumor he heard about the Hotel Debret no longer accepting female guests. I just called them and was told NO, they no longer accept female guests in the rooms. You can book a double but the girls name must appear on the registration form you fill out when you check in.
If you have a reservation I would call to cancell it ASAP.............
Carlos Primeros
07-18-03, 20:52
Just go to the Hotel Ibiza Copacabana Rua Belfort Ruxo
This hotel is two blocks off MABs and Balcony.
Book a double room and you do not have any problems with bringing girls. No extra charge like Debret or Rio Roiss
Cutting Edge
07-19-03, 01:08
Originally posted by Nodd_N
Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait, Wait, Moreyanda, your girlfriend has been robbed of her cell phone 3 times by armed men?? I suppose she has asked you to buy her a new phone each time?
Yes buses have been robbed but you continue to make it sound as if EVERY BUS gets robbed. It's VERY VERY rare that a bus gets robbed. Come on, you must work for a News Paper, stop with the exaggerated stories and lets get to the truth!! How many busses have been robbed like that in say, the last 3 years? I know, I know, you are going to say that you have no idea but you have heard stories. While I was in Rio in Feb 2003, 7 buses were hijacked and burnt in one day, including one in Botofogo on Sao Clemente where an elderly women was burnt alive. Over the last 3 years the bus companies have lost several 100 buses in this way. The Linha Vermelha is particulary problematic in this respect. I've lost count of the number of instances where Av.Brasil has been closed due to 1 hour plus gun battles between trafficantes and the police. I guess you've never heard of Beira Mar, or the grenade at Rio Sul? Bullets flying at the Meriden and Crocovado train??
I would agree with you that the girls commonly say a cell phone was stolen and ask for a new one. Sometimes true, sometimes just another why of bleeding another few 100R$'s out of a guy.
Carlos, how much is a night at Ibiza Copacabana in a double room like the one you said?
Hotel Debret seems to have a policy of saying, if you ask, that they don't accept girls when actually they do accept girls.
When I went last year to Rio I asked them if they accepted girls and they replied to me that they would not accept them, but I made the booking anyway because I was reading quite a few recent posts on this site saying the hotel was girl-friendly -yes, I trusted the WSG posts more than the actual hotel reply.
I booked a double room and I took as many girls as I wanted to my room with no problems at all, and obviously with no extra charge, they only had to fill in a form every time they went to the room.
I suppose we should be posting this on the hotel section...
Trippleecks
07-20-03, 09:29
Cutting Edge, No I don't.
I never said Rio was not dangerous. I said it's not as dangerous as some say it is.
I was there in Feb. also when the shops were closed down and those busses were burnt. It caused the Gov't. to call out the military to patrol the streets for Carnival. I must admit it was strange to see uniformed men with automatic weapons on the corner near Monte Carlo.
I said I was glad Moreyanda was not hurt. I also said it's very rare for the mugger to have a gun. I have been going down to Rio for nearly 5 years and I personally have never had any trouble. I have met guys there that have been mugged yes, but never at gun point.
Most of the people here that have been to Rio know to watch their backs and not to do anything stupid. If Moreyanda does not want to go back that's his prerogative.
I wish I could find the link, a survey was done among journalists about which country they felt or had experienced most danger in and Brazil topped the list, more than some war torn countries they cover! They said that there were more subject to being a victim of a violent crime in Brazil than anywhere else in the world.
I have only been to Rio and only once and did see so many extremes between poverty and wealth than any other place I have been. Secondly, our taxi was almost car jacked at a red light at night, which surprised me as most taxis did not seem to stop at night at lights. ;)
Copacabana felt the safetst oddly enough and the best advice, do not be flashy with jewelry, cash or act like a dumb tourist. Keep your senses about you and be extra careful out there. But as others said, the girls alone are worth the risk. But if you want safe mongering, go somewhere else like Costa Rica or Argentina.
Cutting Edge
07-20-03, 15:16
Originally posted by Nodd_N
I said I was glad Moreyanda was not hurt. I also said it's very rare for the mugger to have a gun. I have been going down to Rio for nearly 5 years and I personally have never had any trouble. I have met guys there that have been mugged yes, but never at gun point.
Most of the people here that have been to Rio know to watch their backs and not to do anything stupid. If Moreyanda does not want to go back that's his prerogative. I'd agree with your observation about firearms. A few years back a law was passed that stated that any body caught with an illegal firearm would get 2 years mandatory in prison. For this reason they don't carry guns, especially with the number of road blocks / stop and searches. From the stories / accounts I've heard over there, the robber will pretend to have a gun, ie holding something under his T-shirt, especially the guys on the mountain bikes. In my experience, surprise is their biggest weapon, and if you take it away from they abort (touch wood). The majority of successful robberies I heard off usually involve an attack from behind, with several assailants, one who usually gets the victim in a incapacitating headlock(occasionally to the point of unconciousness). Keep your eyes and ears open, don't let anybody get too close and you're fine(touch wood).
PS An adrenaline rush never did anybody any harm!
Helicopter
07-20-03, 19:06
I have to second the opinion about the dangers of Rio. While I have never been robbed, almost all the girls I've met down there have been. It's a way of life.
I have read here that the ATM's are the best way to exchange money, however, my bank plus the Brazilian bank would charge service fees. Are there better ways/places to exchange dollars for reals? Should I change money before leaving the US?
Thanks !!
i've used nearly every major bank atms in rio (plus not cirrus) and never have i been charged a fee by the brasil bank.
only the lamest of u.s. banks charge a fee for an overseas atm... call and have them reverse the fees (call before you go) or change banks (or open another account). sorry, if your bank charges a fee for an atm overseas, then your bank sucks (imo). my bank, b of a, indeed sucks, but they have reversed like us$18 in atm fees so far this year.
there is no cheaper way to exchange money in brasil. other than getting help to give you some each night, so i hear.
Carlos Primeros
07-21-03, 00:09
Originally posted by Paolino
Carlos, how much is a night at Ibiza Copacabana in a double room like the one you said? The Ibiza Copacabana charges around 160 B$ for a standard room, for a suite around 220 B$ = ca. 75 US. First they try to charge you more but are ready to give you a discount if you stay for maybe 7 - 8 days.
Carlos Primeros
07-21-03, 00:16
Originally posted by Joe Francis
Debret! Say it aint so. I just got back from there a few weeks ago and no problems with girls. It was a great value in a great location. What a bummer. Why the change?
Carlos, could you elaborate on Hotel Ibiza Cop Rua Belfort Ruxo. Is that actually one name.Is it nice? The hotel is nice, clean, safe. Just around the corner from Barbarella.
Hotel Ibiza Copacabana
Rua Belfort Ruxo
I usually stay there. There are also a lot of normal tourists and young people.
Thanks for the info, Leo. I'm also assuming that, like here, there is a daily ATM withdrawal limit. If I want more money than that where else should I go to change some? Do you recommend traveller's checks?
Gentlemen
Although I have not been to Rio since last November I recently started browsing the Rio board again. Let me tell you I was really disapointed with many of the off subject posts. See the message below I posted in the "Letters to the Editor" under "Site Administration. I also want to say my hat is off to all the regulars who always are contrubuting excelent reports. Too many to mention.
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Jackson
How's it going?
Even though I'm in the Baltic now, I was browsing the Rio board. All I saw was page after page of hotel and crime chat. And I do mean chat.
I would suggest that that you lay down the law and tell them to use the Rio Hotel board for hotel related posts. I would also suggest that a new board called "crime and safety" be created or something to that effect as it seems that any good posts are drowning in the Rio board.
Regards.
Cutting Edge
07-23-03, 18:52
A significant number of knowledgeable guys have been posting recently and kudos to them. It is the WSG right, but that doesn't mean every post has to read like a porno movie script.
It appears that some poeple get upset because the PIONEERS haven't located, announced or stubbled across some new joint where all the girls are 10's and the prices are dirt cheap. How much more could you actually write about Help or Copacabana? Rather than the intelligent folks going over to the travel channel, maybe the moaners should go to
alt.binaries.cheapthrills.sexstories
tchau
i am not aware of any daily limit for atm withdrawls. anymore discussion should be moved to the 'general' thread, as i completely agree with the recent posts on the topic.
You said it man!!
This kind of chat makes it extremely difficult to find useful reports.
Originally posted by Octatron
Gentlemen
Although I have not been to Rio since last November I recently started browsing the Rio board again. Let me tell you I was really disapointed with many of the off subject posts. See the message below I posted in the "Letters to the Editor" under "Site Administration. I also want to say my hat is off to all the regulars who always are contrubuting excelent reports. Too many to mention.
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Jackson
How's it going?
Even though I'm in the Baltic now, I was browsing the Rio board. All I saw was page after page of hotel and crime chat. And I do mean chat.
I would suggest that that you lay down the law and tell them to use the Rio Hotel board for hotel related posts. I would also suggest that a new board called "crime and safety" be created or something to that effect as it seems that any good posts are drowning in the Rio board.
Regards.
Trippleecks
07-24-03, 01:31
Oh, I get it you just want to sit back and read nothing but who fu*ked who, how many ways he fu*ked her and how many times he came, etc. ..... If that's all you want to read about then buy a sex magazine.........
I travel to Rio 2 or 3 times a year and I want to know if it has gotten more expensive, more dangerous, more difficult to find quality girls, what some hotels new rules may be, before, I waist my hard earned money on a reservation when I can't bring s girl back to my room. I want as much information as I can get.
This is the Rio Board and should not be just about Help Disco., The 4 or 5 Termas everyone talks about all the time, and Meia Pataca. If it were, you would soon have nothing more to say about them. They are pretty much the same all the time......
Jackson, please don't change the boards........ they are fine like they are!!!!!!!
dreams_420
07-24-03, 03:11
Nodd_N,
I don't think that anyone is saying that the other info. Isn't usefull and not needed but the info. should be put into a different topic. I am getting ready to go to Rio and I want to see what everybody has to say too. Wouldn't it be faster to get the different info. if it was seperated into different topics? I think so and it seems that others do to.
Well, for what it's worth I don't use this board to get off on people's sex stories, I use it to gather and offer information about visiting places with an emphasis on mongering in those places. But I can't get there to have sex if I don't find out the best ways to get there, where to stay, and yes, how to avoid having my head blown off!
Now, in that spirit, I want to let people know that I am having a terrible time dealing with Bobby and his crew at Blameitonrio4travel.com. I am sorry now that I bought my ticket from him from the US to Rio. They are flaky, not responsive, and more expensive than doing it myself. Now I am stuck needing an air pass, which I have to buy from them, or find another travel agent to buy tickets for Iguassu, Salvadore and Buenos Aires, which are the three places I want to visit. If anyone can point me in a direction to get help with these plans I will be most grateful. If anyone knows prices on flights within Brazil and from Brazil to BsAs please let me know.
In order to not clog up this board with a lot of details that may not be helpful to the general public, please feel free to email me directly: docbill449@mindspring.com.
I promise to have lots of sex wherever I go and to report back about it in lurid detail for all to see on this board!
Thanks, guys!
Doc,
You can buy an airpass from TAM airlines directly. Just give them a call and tell them which flights you want - they fly all over brazil.
check out:
http://www.tamgetaways.com/airpass.html
Some useful tips based on the questions I saw earlier.
Air Pass
First of all, I know Bobby from Blameitonrio. Nice guy and pretty good service although i never bought anything from him. Nothing to do with his service or personality just "reality check". bottomline is, these days with severe competition in the airline industry, Bobby will be difficult to beat the price you get, especially from the U.S. you can get the best pricing by checking the Varig site. sometimes, they offer some most unbelievable pricing. also, Travelocity.com also has some intra brasil fares. the truth is, you use bobby's service if you do not know brasil, do not speak portuguese, do not know the system. that's bobby's added value. however, if you have visited brasil a few times and feel comfortable with the system, you get at good a price as bobby's if not better. in the end, just remember this, someone has to pay for bobby's rent, his salaries and his payroll.
ATM
Very good observation from fellow travelers that ATM offers the best deal in exchange rate let alone added security. however, if you bank with most US banks, ATM is a pain in the ass for these reasons:
1. expensive transaction fees. BofA, US Bank, Wells Fargo all charges anywhere from $2 to $3- per transaction. the numbers add up, no fun at all. Yes, you can call and ask them to reverse the fees, but it does not work all the times, especially for travellers who go down there often. also, i don't feel like i want to 'beg' them to reverse fees. i am a customer and deserve better.
2. sub par exchange rate. yes, ATM offers better F/X rate than travelers' check (only dummy will use them) and money changer, but banks like BofA uses a lower F/X rate than the actual market rate. there is some additional fees roll to the F/X desk of these banks. if you consider the $3 fees they already charged you, the F/X charge is hurtful at best. not good consumer psychology.
3. convenience. even if your ATM has Cirrus, VISA, MC or STAR logo, most ATMs in Brasil do not take it. you have to go to some specific site to get cash. quite inconvenient. so what is the solution? read on my friend
Open an account at Citi Bank or even better HSBC USA. by the way, for those uninformed souls, HSBC (Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation) is the world's 4th or 5th largest bank in asset, #1 largest in branch banking and 7th largest in USA. (no, i don't work for them but i am a financial advisor thus i know). so, HSBC has branches and ATM at every street corner in rio. Your ATM card can be used for free. in addition to that, they allow you to withdraw up to US$500- per transaction and $1000- per day. Bear in mind that individual ATMs may impose its own limit. in terms of exchange rate, it is the same if not better than any US Banks. BTW, Citi Bank is also a good option but in Brasil, CitiBank does not have as many branches as HSBC so it is inconvenient. Last but not the least BancBoston used to run big show in Brasil but i understand recently they got out of the Brasil market. One last piece of information. Due to the patriot act, when you open up account at HSBC, be prepared to provide lots of personal information to ensure to the US Govt. that you are not using that account for terrorism financing. For those living in the midwest and west coast, your HSBC ATM card (even there is minimal HSBC ATM in your states), you can use HSBC ATM card at any Wells Fargo bank for free as these two banks have a banking alliance. (although i did not check if opening up an account at Wells Fargo would allow you to use HSBC ATMs for free).
hope this help.
@ Nodd,
most of the subjects you have mentionned have their own (hotel politics, room prices, rules should belong in the RIO HOTELS section). Jackson made that section, and i think that using the inappropriated sections is like not showing respect to his work to keep the forum structured and clear.
@DocBill,
most people don't use this forum to get off on stories of others, there's just a great amount of talking for nothing, like people asking where to get the best termas while someone posted an extensive report 3 threads before. The question about the ATM is raised every 5 minutes. if everyone made an effort to look search something like the 2 or 3 last pages of threads he shurely would find an answer to his questions.
DocBill:
Did you get my last email to you detailing air packages? Try VASP or TAM.
Tom B.
IMO, anyone who pays the ATM surcharges is foolish, or just doesn't care.
Call your bank BEFORE you go. Get the fees reversed, or obtain notation in the account that it has been promised, BEFORE you go. It doesn't matter (for me so far) how often you go in a year, BofA (they're as bad as I know of) still reverses all my fees (if in a country with no BofA's - e.g. Brasil, Columbia, Argentina).
On a side note, it's good advice to make a number of calls before you go:
1. your bank, let them know you'll be using your ATM, ask about fees, make arrangements to have no fees (negotiate, open a new account, change your accout status/type, etc.).
2. your long distance company (if you plan to use it, vs. using the much cheaper telecabines in basically all S. American countries), let them know you'll be overseas.
3. your cc companies, let them know you'll be overseas, inquire regarding fees/surchages.
In all cases, it sucks to have them turn off your card only because they fear a fraud with your first transaction... it's smart to warn them so they don't take action just because an int'l transaction appears on your acct.
Also, obtain overseas calling instructions for each in case you lose or have stolen any of your cards... as you won't have the card with you anymore to read the 800 number!
Just curious, do any of you know anything (pros or just any general information) about the Barra area of Rio? I can't find too much info in the internet. From what I've seen on a map, it is pretty far away from most of the areas of action, but it looks like it has beautiful oceanfront nonetheless.
Thanks to all in advance.
Jony Vegas
07-26-03, 10:08
Stud Lee
Be careful!!! There is Barra Tijuca, which is north of Copacabana, ipanema and leblon (approx 30-45 minutes to Copacabana depending time of day). There is also Barra, which is inland and not a place you want to be.
Barra Tijuca is a ver nice area with beautiful beaches and very developed, with a Hard Rock etc... just about 30-45 minutes from the mongering scene.
Barra Tijuca does have a few dance clubs and a swinger club that people say are fun, but I do not have first hand knowledge fo them.
Vegas
Trippleecks
07-26-03, 14:38
Paolino, just where is this Rio, Hotel Section?? I have never seen it.
Since nearly 50% of all the posts in the Brazil section are about Rio de Janeiro, posting information about Rio in the General Section would be a waist of time as most members will not read anything there...
Cutting Edge
07-26-03, 16:22
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
Paulino
I agree with you 100%. You like some other posters here "get it". I say lets all continue to stick together and make this Rio thread better and ignore the loser posts (don't encourage them)or reply to others to read the last months posts about bank, cell phone, etc... commonly mentioned posts (like people in most other threads do).
Thank you everyone for your support and lets carry on with good ,specific, value-added informative posts!!
Vegas Jony Vegas , I've reviewed your posts going back quite a while and have yet to find a good one. I can't see how you can be so insulting to others here when infact most of the people you refer to as losers appear to be much better informed than yourself.
Your latest 'boob' is your reference to Tijuca. Tijuca is infact north of he the zona sul, on the northern margin of the Tijuca Forest. Its not a bad area and I've been around here many times, you've never heard of 'Tijuca Forest'? I guess you also don't know Salgueiro which is nearby.
As for Barra da Tijuca, this is West along the coast, very spread out and full of irritating wannabe yuppies.
Another correction for you which may save you taxi money. You referred to several clubs, some of which are gay,some crap and some closed.
ie Nuth - ugly fat rich chicks with a few *****s. You need ID/or visa card for entry.
Baronetti - very dark inside, ugly don't touch me chicks and gringos.They will try and overcharge you(the cashier).
SIX in Lapa/Cinelandia(its not called Lapa Six) as you refered to it. This was really cool/rocking in Dec, Jan, Feb 2003 but after carnaval started to go downhill due to an invasion of gays. About 1 month back it was about 30% gay. Entrance was 20 + 20 minimum consumption.
Peoples Lounge(formerly Peoples about 2 years ago!!!). This was good Dec 2002 - Feb 2002. It closed down around the time of carnaval and is still closed.
MELT - Sunday evenings is the best night there.
BOOMBA - just up Av General San Martin from MELT, Gauoa Loco, 40R$ entry, some nice chicks but too many drunks for me.
And now I'm going to really upset you by talking about cell phones. Forget hiring one etc. Just go to Rio Sul Shopping and go to TIM, buy a new SIM card for 35R$ and insert it into your phone. You now have a local cell phone. Everytime you return to Rio you just swap it back in.
tchau
Cutting Edge.
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
Stud Lee
Be careful!!! There is Barra Tijuca, which is north of Copacabana, ipanema and leblon (approx 30-45 minutes to Copacabana depending time of day). There is also Barra, which is inland and not a place you want to be.
Barra Tijuca is a ver nice area with beautiful beaches and very developed, with a Hard Rock etc... just about 30-45 minutes from the mongering scene.
Barra Tijuca does have a few dance clubs and a swinger club that people say are fun, but I do not have first hand knowledge fo them.
Vegas
Actually, Barra Tijuca is SOUTH of Ipa/Leblon, but all other info in the post is correct. Beautiful beaches, good surfing, safe and new high rises on the beaches, a great mall (much like Rio Sul)... Think of it as a "suburb" of Rio.
Rodriguinho
07-29-03, 16:54
I agree with Vegas that there are too many posts here that ask the same questions, dont give any info, etc.
It would be interesting to have a database for the larger places liek SP and RJ, something like this in gpguia.net
http://www.gpguia.net/phpbb/phpbb2/viewf-2.htm
The first thing you see when you enter a page is a fixed post with all the fixed information (friendly hotles, clubs, addresses, phone #s, prices, recommended GPs, ATM, how to get to, etc. etc.). That way you save time unnecessary and posts
R
Cutting Edge
Thanks for your updates about the current situations of 'regulars' clubs in Rio ; I never been to Melt and Bomba, will be on the list next trip to Rio (Symbol -ex 'By Marius- in Centro and Ballroom in Humaita were my favs); BTW did you heard about a club called 'Touché' in Niteroi, i heard it was packed with a good crowd less 'irritating' than the Nuth or Barra clubs clientele .....
Anyway by reading your posts i notice you know pretty well Rio ( any info on Tijuca spots should be welcome, thank, i like those populars areas too ) and Brasil (i agreed when you compared Manaus atmosphere with Caxias :) ), and you surely don't deserve the flames and ramblings of posters who from what i know have not yet bring any good and new useful info on this Brasilian thread ;
Keep on the good work ;
Cheers
Cutting Edge
07-30-03, 18:39
Hey Jony,
I've never read such immature rubbish in my life, you appear to have psychological problems. You need a doctor!
I suggest you immediately go to the following link and let off some steam with your right hand.
http://intimidadescaseiras.hp10.com.br/enviadas_vip.htm
Cutting Edge
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
Cutting Edge - 1 vote in my favor and no one even wants you here!! Bow out gracefully or take more hits!! Just go away..no one wants your posts and no one has asked you for your advice or wants it!!
I rest my case.... the moron has dug his own grave. The "in the know" people know Cutting Edges fault and mistakes in his posts.
I lmao and hope the newbies reading this will read months of posts and can read for themselves and know only half of what this moron says is accurate or relevant. I am convinced that the nice approach doesnt work in this thread. Like other threads, all the regualr posters tell the morons to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off and dont debate them. Hope others here will do the same here.
Till then, I will focus my sites elsewhere. Twits like Cutting Edge enjoy the debate not the sharing of info.
So all join me in a slaute to Cutting edge and other posters of his sort. Up your flaming ( + ) !!! Last laugh laughs best and I am laughing my ass off right now as I am outta here until it gets shaped up. I am sure some other regular posters have gotten tired of the BS in here and therfore slowed down on their comments. Congratulations Cutting Edge and others like him, do you FU everyhting you touch?
A few other interesting points and comparison: Rio room has 2 posters with > 50 posts and approx 14 others in the 20 -50 posts range, and approx 150 posters with < 20 posts; By copmarison, Busnos Aires has 4 with over 100 posts, 27 between 20 -100 posts, and approx 150 with < 20 posts.
FYI - Cutting edge has 6 posts in here, 2 of which he complains about others and 4 where he discusses to no end about bus robberies, shopping centers being blown up, etc... (you be the Judge if ihis postsCutting Edge try copying articles out of papers and post em. Forgot he just wants to be heard...hes lonely and no friends and reaching out. Well FO and reach out elswhere no one wants you here nor has anyone complemented you on any of your posts, infact most asked you to shut up about your hallf -baked stories and hear say, so [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off! Go look to be heard elsewhere and FU their site!!
So it is obviouos that Buenos Aires has twice as many regular posters with twice as many posts, and easily twice as good as this thread. Additionally, their posts are all on relevant mongering topics, specific places, prices and even women's names, etc... Not much bickering there and senior members take owership and keep it an excellent thread. Unlike Rio, where topics are so far off main topic and repeated endlessly. Half the superfulous comments have more to do with the travel channel facts than WSG, and others are all in prior posts if people would read. So this thread lacks the leadership and experience, and is controlled by the "little man", hence its floundering state. Once again, proves it is a bunch of 1 to 3 time visitors to Rio especailly those visitors around Carnival time that really run this thread.
Until Jackson steps up and begins to ban people or not approve unrelated discussions this site goes no where.
Vegas
P.S. For those with the right approach and attitude I am sure I will see you or correspond with you occassionally.
Ponce de Leon
07-30-03, 20:51
Jony-
I don't think it does any good to worry too much about posters you disagree with. I agree with you about the quality of the BA section. I've found most of the guys that go to BA are more civilized and not just looking for the cheapest action. Many of us that go to BA frequently depend on the board for valuable information.
Like it or not, this is a free forum and you have to put up with everyone's posts as long as they are not being disruptive. We don't have to agree (nor even believe) everyone's posts. If you don't agree with someone's posts you just have to move on and ignore it.
On that same note. Guys like Cutting Edge. Don't stop posting because someone is complaining about the quality of your posts. Rio is a fun city that I love tremendously. It has a different feel to it than most cities but there is every type there under the sun and probably is one of the easiest cities in the world to find a beautiful girl to spend time with.
Have fun!
Cutting Edge
07-30-03, 23:50
Thanks for the compliment PRO, regarding Niteroi, I've always considered it a good hunting ground, especially Plaza Shopping. I knew there would be clubs in Niteroi and the chicks seem a lot friendlier than those in Rio. I'll have to look up that club when I'm back over next month.
In case you didn't know, the barcas from Praca XV run all through the night (every 30mins) so its not a problem getting back to Rio. We went over to a party in Icarai a few years back with some girls we meet during the day on the ferry. had a decent time there.
So I guess you've also made it upto Caxias, I was expecting good things there as many pretty chicks at the Termas come from there. However, it was a major disappointment and didn't really see anything worthwhile.
Cutting Edge
Cutting Edge
07-31-03, 00:15
Hi Vegas, it sounds like the chips are down (pun intended).
OK - in summary
1- Check back and find my VM report (thats Vila Mimosa) posted about 1 week or so ago in this forum. Of course you must know VM, if you like I'll give you a bar by bar description to prove I've been there.
2- I suggest you use that plastic backed map you go on about and look at it as.
- Niteroi is across the bay, its a separate city and is not in the Zona Norte. Get there by boat(from Praca XV) or by minibus via the causeway.
- Its TIJUCA Forest not BARRA forest... :-(
3- You say my info is all fake/wrong? OK, case study ' Peoples' as you call it.
When it was called 'Peoples' the sign was black on white in curly writing. Upstairs was VIP / members, downstairs the regulars, later in the night the regulars could also go upstairs. However it closed down and reopened after a refurb as
PEOPLES LOUNGE.
Now with ultra modern decor, orange and silver with fancy seats. Downstairs a dark disco, upstairs a chill out area with ambient music. However just before / after carnaval it closed down and has been since. In fact I spoke with the porteiro of the adjacent apartment block about 3 weeks ago and he said it has been closed for months. To prove this I'd like any body who's in Rio to go down there on a Friday or a Saturday and you'll find its called Peoples Lounge and its been shutdown for months (hopefully will reopen again as it was real cool). Its on Av Bartholew Mitre in Leblon.
4- Why know about normal clubs? Don't normal girls have sex as well? Some of us here are good looking and/or speak Portuguese and have not unreasonable hit ratios in the right clubs.
5- Regarding the cell phone, true if you have a real old and shitty one it won't work. However many modern phones ie Sony Erricson T68i are triband, so even those from the US will work. The new GSM networks in Brasil are based on the Euro frequencies of 1800Mhz, so some from the US won't work. And just in case we have some readers from Japan, your phones just won't work there as its a completely different system.
6- I've never been in Rio over Carnaval.
7- Why say there are all these flaws in my info when you never provide YOUR correct version. I know you are lying as People Lounge is closed and has been for months, when a 3rd party confirms this, everybody will know you are a liar.
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
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Pro
Who the Fu$$ cares about a regular nite club in Niteroi. Jesus man its a 30-40 minute taxi ride NORTH of copacabana. Read the frickin heading!! What do you think WSG stands for? No one coming to this board is spending their hard earned money to travel to Rio to go to some normal club in Niteroi. Most people from here don't even know portuguese and will get know where in normal clubs to begin with.
Regarding Cutting Edges post
I don't make a habit of discussing everyones flaws on here. But if you would like to know the faults of his club posts I will be happy to share info, Especially since he lies and says he was there recently when he hasnt been there since Carnival (if you have, why dont you ask others to join oyu for a beer, cause your a frickin liar). As of last week I have the latest and visited most of them again. About the only thing he got right was the cover and minimum drink chrage, but that even changes depending on the day as anyone with common sense would know. Further more, and improtant they all aren't even open everyday of the week and some not on Sundays!!
Barra forest is beautiful, but again, the is WSG!! Christ, dont' be sending some newbie off leading them on thinking its a great place to stay you moron, cause thata not where they want to stay. Tell em to take the tour bus thru there!!
And why is it that Cutting Edge has NO, not even one relevant post on the topic this thread was set up for...RIO SEX!! Could that be because he is clueless about it? Probably so!!! Anyone who has taken one trip to RIo and looked at day trip tours and the hotel guides can tell you what this moron has posted. The problem is not even all his info is correct as of last week!!
Cutting Edge, your a wannabe..go to the travelchannel.com and take PRO with you so this boeard is not filled with garbage that it wasnt desinged for. Should I embarrass you also about your cell phone error? Again, making a broad statement that isn't correct for all cell phones from all countries you lead people astray. Where are you from you moron?
Cutting Edge
Any more non-relevant, incorrect, misleading or slandering posts you want to make? And quit wasting space by reposting what I say.....jesus man are you that stupid, you dont think people can follow...hell no one is even posting any more relevenat info. that this thread was established for. And they probably won't until Jan rolls around and the true mongers roll in looking for specific and informative info!!
This is getting fun now!! FiIghting for what is right and I believe in...lmao
Vegas
Question for the Help Disco veterans (who've been there recently):
Are the chicks who sit on the couches on either side of the staircase still the over-priced regulars? I.e., there most nights out of the week?
I swear I'm going to make an anthropological study of that joint. I wish there was an easy way to get pot down there -- I love to fuck when I'm high. Oh well.
JW
Well, speaking of HELP, I hear a lot about it here, some pro and some con. I'm goind to Rio for my first time in September, and I'm wondering if anyone can lay out the basic scene there, including the best way to find girls for the night or an hour or two. Any to look for, or to avoid? Best hunting method there?
Thanks!
Hey JWadd,
It IS easy to get pot down there (and other substances, too). I don't use it, but my traveling/mongering partner does.
Most of the Brazilians who frequent Ave. Atlantica know where to score, male and female. Best source would be someone you make friends with, but who doesn't hustle you aggressively. A hip taxi driver would work. One driver we knew would buy it in a favela, at very cheap prices, and bring it to my friend.
The hustlers on the Avenue can be a source, but you have to be sure they are not looking to set you up. The infamous Paolo copped weed for my friend once, but he overcharged him a little (tourist markup). BTW, it is illegal down there, as you probably know.
Just a quick question to those in the know. Are there any Termas or strip club girls who are into domme stuff or are there any places where this sort of thing is the "house speciality"? Please forgive this ignorant newbie question but I've only been with the strip club girls and they were strictly "meat and potatos".
DocBill,
You're thinking too hard. It's not that complex. There are 200-400 girls in Help. Not one is there by accident. There's not even one woman among the 100 million-plus citizins of Brasil that is there by accident, not knowing what the place is about.
Every, I mean every girl in the there wants to be taken out.
It's the most simple disco in the world. You walk in, pick one, negotiate, and you're gone (or potentially rejected, but that would be rare!).
Drinks are cheap (water r$3, beer r$5, cocktails r$10 or more), entrance is cheap (r$25 and only r$15 before midnight, if you want), and girls go for standard r$150-200, short term. That is often turned into all night. Girls asking for more either will negotiate down, or they've determined you're an easy mark for more (ie. a gringo, little portuges, sucker, etc).
It's like Nike, just do it.
Leo,
Thanks for keeping it simple! So all the girls there, that is ALL, are pros, right? How is the street action in Rio? And are there any clubs where it is not strictly a pro scene but where you can have a drink, dance, and maybe meet someone? Thanks!
Ponce de Leon
07-31-03, 18:05
Leo is right about Help. All Brasileras there know what the game is. However, I can tell you that I have seen other girls / women in there that didn't know it was but they quickly get the idea. Most were older women with their husbands that quickly got the picture when they saw "transactions" going down around them. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that when some total hottie is dancing with a guy old enough to be their grandpa, overweight, balding, that dresses poorly it is a financial transaction in the making.
Help is about having fun. Heck, I'd say the majority of the guys going in there don't even pull any girls out. They are just going to soak up the atmosphere and look at the action. Just go in there. You can't go wrong. Leo is right about the place but I have seen several guys get shot down before with some of the super hotties. Some of the stunners can pick and choose who they want to go with with all things being equal with the amount of money.
It is also surprising sometimes to see girls there from other parts of the world let alone other parts of Brazil. I've seen girls there from Russia, Germany and even Europe. Why they would pick Help as opposed to some other spot is beyond me. Maybe they like the atmosphere of living in Rio. During the busiest times of the year I saw some of those Russian girls asking for $200 US and not negotiating. Just walk away!
Be careful with drugs! I don't think it's worth the risk but to each his own. Remember that if you go outside of Copacabana the police have every right to stop taxi's and search you and the girl you are with. You better pray you don't have drugs on you when this happens. I've seen police blockades in Ipanema, just outside of Copacabana, and also Leblon. I've even been stopped once and thank God I didn't have any drugs on me! Pot is illegal there and if you get caught with it on you it means big trouble. Be especially careful at night around the love motels like VIP's. Police are often in that area at night.
Have fun!
Doc:
not all are pros at Help. most are, everytime i've gone i see new faces. every once in a while a semi or non pro will go there just to have some fun.
hang out at the beach in front of othon palace, or at Meia Pattaca, and you'll see some of the regular Help girls.
as for non pro clubs, there are many. your success there will depend on how well you speak portuguese.
i'll be in rio aug 29-sept 9. for the 5th time. perhaps we can meet at Meia for lunch.
Buster Highman
07-31-03, 20:32
Just going to throw my log on to the fire...
Originally posted by Jony Vegas
IT's a SEX thread, not cell phone, not ATM, not a hotel, not crime posting, not any of that shit. Read prior posts or go to the right thread to post that stuff.Sure this is the World SEX Forum, but from my perspective as a "stupid gringo" traveler, it's pretty important to have more information than just "this girl is located here and costs ___" I also want to know where is the most convenient and cheapest hotel to stay at with access to the best spots and that is girl-friendly. It would suck to travel all that way from the USA and get a reservation on the wrong side of the city. Or walk through a dangerous neighborhood. Or get fleeced by a taxi. Or worse...
The purpose of this forum is "To facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women." That information could be purely sex related, or it could be of a nature that helps the mongering process. In my opinon, in addition to club/girl reports, info on the best hotels, the best clubs, and even the best restaurants to take my chica to is all pertinent.
Yea, it would be nice to have a FAQ that someone updates regularly with all that basic info in it. What a boon to us travelers! Why don't you write one and ask Jackson to put it at the top of the forum? That way when I finally get to Rio, I can concentrate on the important stuff.
Rodriguinho
07-31-03, 20:55
Buster,
Totally agree with you about the FAQ section it´s really important for newbies.
About the bickering going on in this section:
This is getting ridiculous guys, stop calling each other names and just ignore offensive messages or answer in a civilized way. I've been called and "asshole" in the Salvador thread just for saying that I found the pros in there pretty ugly, my comment was interpreted as an insult to the WHOLE black race!. If you dont agree with a post just ignore it of put your two cents but DON´T take it personally. Cutting Edge if you think Vegas´s info is out dated just say so ans put the current info, don´t call him a liar and so and so, that is totally gratuitous. I´m not taking any sides I just don´t wanna waste my time reading BS.
Later
R
Cutting Edge
08-01-03, 00:22
If you check through the series of posts , you'll find I have been very polite. All of Vegas's recent posts contains insults of various magnitudes aimed at various individuals both senior and regular. I told him to cool it, provided upto date info at which point vegas freaked out. I did call him a liar for one reason(in one of the later posts after he had called my info fake), he maintained that certain places are still open when I know for sure that they are closed. He also made completely incorrect statements about my other posts here at WSG. Why?? Earlier, he also stated that his info was correct for June, I retorted that I was there in July and suddenly he was there only two weeks ago. Go figure.
The guy appears to have certain mental problems and needs help. This all started because somebody asked about ATM's, not an unreasonable question considering that ALL chicks in Help are there for $$$$.
Vegas also suggested moving to the travelchannel or whatever. To be honest the guys on boards such as WSG tend to be well informed and well travelled. Those on the general sites such as LP/TC are more of the sort who are planning a single journey maybe in a years time.
tchau
Cutting Edge
Originally posted by Rodriguinho
Buster,
Totally agree with you about the FAQ section it´s really important for newbies.
About the bickering going on in this section:
This is getting ridiculous guys, stop calling each other names and just ignore offensive messages or answer in a civilized way. I've been called and "asshole" in the Salvador thread just for saying that I found the pros in there pretty ugly, my comment was interpreted as an insult to the WHOLE black race!. If you dont agree with a post just ignore it of put your two cents but DON´T take it personally. Cutting Edge if you think Vegas´s info is out dated just say so ans put the current info, don´t call him a liar and so and so, that is totally gratuitous. I´m not taking any sides I just don´t wanna waste my time reading BS.
Later
R
Genghis Khan
08-01-03, 02:40
OK, somebody please tell me what I did wrong.
I entered Help! disco yesterday. I saw a really nice girl dancing on top of the stage on the first floor. I approached her and asked her if she wanted a drink. She said yes and we sat down at one of the tables in the back of the stage.
She told me her name was Priscillay and worked at Barbarella. She was there with her friend also
from Barbarella. We received our drinks and she asked where I stayed in Rio. I told her Rio
Internacional Hotel. I do not speak Portugese and my English is not so spectacular either.
I tried to tell her that every room in my hotel have a balcony and that I think it is really nice. She responds that she do not like balcony.
It is drugs she says. I told her again that it was not Balcony bar I was speaking about but my
hotel. It seemed as she understood. Anyway when she had finished her drink, I asked if she wanted one more. She declined and pointed to her friend, then left
me. I was ditched.
What did I do wrong. I thought you
basically could not go wrong in Help!.
Wanderer1000
08-01-03, 02:57
I arrived in Rio (on my first trip) three nights ago. I slept the first night and decided to do a therma the following evening, and then hit Help. Before heading out to the therma, I checked out the beach in front of the Orthon Hotel after 3:00. I wasn´t impressed with the quality of the women. A little later I decided to have dinner at the Havana restaurant, which is right next to Meia P. I had a good spot to scope out the scene at Meia P. I was feeling a little disappointed at the quality of women I was seeing. As I´m finishing my meal, a very pretty 20 year-old, green-eyed chick from Sao Paolo sits down at the table next to me in this empty restaurant. It was like beginner´s luck. We connected and agreed on R150 for "as long as you need". We spent five hours together and it was a good experience. I gathered she was a semi-pro and her rent was due the next day. She told me later that her boyfriend was in the vicinity of our pick-up after he called her on her cell phone. Despite her annoying habit of intensely watching the soap operas between rounds, and trying to hit me up for another R50, she was a pretty good experience. But I wouldn´t call her again. I took a nap after she left and woke up at 6:30 the next morning. So much for my plans on day one.
Wanderer1000
08-01-03, 03:19
Went to L´Uomo (Luomo) the second day around 5:00. It´s about a 25 minute walk from Help. It´s located on the second floor of a mall area, and you have to hunt for it a little. I liked this place. It´s a R50 entrance fee that is reduced to R30 if you take a girl. The professional massage is R40 for 45 minutes and is pretty good (the lady doesn´t have a dainty touch). There are three room options: R140 for 40 minutes in a basic room, R200 for 60 minutes in a room with a bathroom (called a suite), and R230 for a deluxe suite for 60 minutes. I took the regular suite for R200 and it was fine. The lady at the front desk spoke very good English and was patient and friendly. They have good facilities. I think of myself as being rather picky with women, so when I say there were three of four women in the place that really had me staring, I´m saying the overall quality of the women was pretty good. I was lucky and hit it off with the best one I saw there - great attitude. I think her name was Marinda, and I will definitely be going for a repeat or two before I leave. Highly recommended. I´ll try to confirm her name for sure on my next visit. A real 9 for me.
I´ll report on Monte Carlo later. Just left there a few hours ago.
Hey Chingon,
Let's meet for a drink, we will be there at the same time! Contact me at docbill449@mindspring.com
Thanks Rio D (and Ponce de Leon). What can I say? The Wadd likes to be HIGH (sometimes) when he fucks all that pretty pussy.
Yah (Rio D) -- I had a girls in Recife and Rio get high before we laid pipe last time I was down there. One of them did it at the reception area in that one "quick-time" hotel just behind Help (two blocks back from Ave Atlantico) last time I was down there (just right to that cash-machine closest to Help). She took a big hit and blew it in the face of the "concierge," who laughed when he smelled it was pot. Very "not a big deal" all the way around.
P.S. That super-cutie was rimming me 5 minutes later after hitting that joint. I think I have a picture.
Just keeping it real,
JWadd
Ponce de Leon
08-01-03, 22:47
Genghis,
The interesting thing about Help is that everyone thinks it's totally automatic and I've been there dozens of times. I can tell you with some of the hottest girls it is not. I personally know some of the girls that work there and some of them only want to leave one time the entire night and they want to leave with someone they are comfortable or attracted to. I'm in NO way saying you're not a good guy or not attractive. I'm only pointing out that I have seen several girls in there shooting guys down. One time in January I saw this super hottie telling guys to beat it even before they said anything. It was amazing! My friend ended up sessioning with her anyway and had a good time.
You'll also see some girls dancing with their friends and not wanting to leave until later. It's ironic but true. Then you have the girls that let guys buy them drinks and then walk away. This is a slow time of year for these girls though so I'm surprised that happened. Help is dead now compared to the busier times of year. Don't get discouraged. Probably would be a bad session anyway. Just move on to your next hottie.
Barbarellas girls I have found to be the hottest girls. Some of the hottest girls in Rio I've sessioned with have been from there. They tend to be more stuck up on the outside but if you stick to your guns you can have a great session. 3 of the girls I've sessioned with from Barbarellas were not hardcore pros. They were students who were just there making some money. Some girls switch between Barbarellas and Help depending on how slow/busy it is.
Barbarellas is more expensive than most other places. Many girls there ask for $200 US!!! Just say NO. You can score a hottie there for for as little as 250 depending on your skills and looks. But remember there is a R$50 entrance fee and R$50 exit fee.
JWadd - no problem amigo. Everyone has their vices. Just be careful. I've seen roadblocks were those corrupt cops have their pistols out with their fingers on the trigger waving their guns around. Not a pretty site sober let alone high. Your chances are slim and none of being stopped if you're in Copa. They leave the tourist alone there.
Have fun!
Wanderer1000
08-02-03, 03:07
Monte Carlo is located about a 15 minute walk from Help and a half block off of Atlantica. It´s next to a major hotel and most of the clientele seemed to be tourists. The prices are R50 entrance and R140 for a room for 40 minutes. The other room is a suite for R270 for one hour. I asked about 1 hour in the regular room and she said these are the two options. It is spread out on about 4 different floors (Luomos is all on one). The facilities seemed a little less quality compared to Luomos, and my final shower ran out of hot water toward the end. But I picked a very enthusiastic girl and had a good time. It´s interesting that at the end of the session when the phone rings, my girl thought I wanted a little more time. She was going to call for another five minutes. I asked about more money and she said something about me being American so the money shouldn´t be a problem. I waved her off real quick and wasn´t interested in any surprises. I thought Monte Carlo was okay, but I wouldn´t do a repeat on this trip. I will be going to Luomos again tomorrow. Many of the previous posters liked Luomos and I would have to agree. Of the three so far, it is the best.
Trippleecks
08-02-03, 03:07
ANYONE looking to do drugs in a South American Country is a fool.. The LAST thing you want to do is get busted and spend time in any jail in South America...... The girls have been known to setup guys with the cops and get a commission from what the police get from a scared s*itless gringo....
Wanderer1000
08-02-03, 03:42
Came from Quattro x Quattro (4x4) about three hours ago. The taxi from Help was about R14 there and R12.50 back. It´s in Centro on a narrow street. I left Copacabana about 3:00 to avoid the rush-hour (as a previous poster had warned about). I left 4x4 about 7:45. I didn´t have a problem with traffic at all. The place doesn´t have a sign that I saw, but the number 44 is next to the door and there are a couple guys standing in front. It layed out on about four floors like Monte Carlo. The facilities are less quality than Luomos or Monte Carlo (the showers are cold water only, and the other shower room has four showers with the heater element on top that only takes some of the chill off). The showers are not private. The lady attendant in the room was busy watching soap operas and things were getting sloppy around the place. But there is a good selection of girls here. More than at the other two places. One of the things I did like was the apparent policy of the girls not approaching you. They´d make eye contact, but none of them came over and started latching on to you like the other places. I felt like I really got to check out the talent without being bothered with the time-wasting hustlers. I wish the other places operated like this. The place was more crowded than the other two places, especially when I was leaving ( it was shoulder to shoulder when I checked the bar area before I left - don´t know if it being Friday had something to do with it). I picked a good one - great attitude and performance - haven´t had a bad one yet. The prices were R30 entrance, R130 for 40 minutes in a basic room, R150 for a hour in a basic suite (has a shower in the room), and about four other higher priced options that I didn´t bother looking at ( the R150 room and time was just fine). This placed lacked a sense of professionalism about it. I wasn´t sure if I liked it or not until I was checking out and paying my bill at the front desk. One of the girls that took my money after showing me my bill said "cheap". I stated "cheap" back at her to make sure I heard her correctly. I gave her four fifties for a R189 bill, and she asked me if I wanted my change back. I was shocked for a moment trying to think if I was supposed to tip someone or something, but these girls didn´t do anything for me. Somehow the girls got the impression that I wanted them to keep my change. I made it clear I wanted my change. The girl gave it to me, and she had an attitude like this was perfectly normal for her. I was going to give her some questions about this scene, but the place was busy and I just felt like walking out. Left me with a real bad feeling. I´m guessing it had something to do with the old "rich American" thing, but who knows. Any ideas?
Jak:
4x4 is always crowded. a lot of their clients are local businessmen. they go there after work. it gets jammed after 6p. i had a similar experience when i paid my bill. the cashier wanted the change as a tip.
i've gonna there several times and have had fun. but my last visit this past may, i approached several garotas, but they didn't seem interested.
as with all things with the rio termas, things are subject to change. and what was a great termas the last trip, is mediocre this trip.
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