2003 Rio de Janeiro Reports [Archive] - Page 4

BeachBoy

08-02-03, 05:12

Re: Termas Discussion,

The beautiful thing about these bath houses cum attendance is that each is a little different, and that even then the energy varies depending on the hour or day of the week.

4x4 (quatro por quatro)has tons and tons of talent to pick from, and it is laid out over several floors so you can wander around and chat with all the sirens. The cabinas themselves are fairly rudimentary, thin mattresses, cold water in the shower. But you can score some gorgeous pornstar experiences there. Evenings are crowded. Mostly locals go there. I think it is the best club in terms of number of hot looking girls and the space and energy. The place moves, sometimes too much. BTW, next door is a whiskeria club where you can sit with the girls from 4x4 and have a drink and a bite while girls are doing stage shows. Just another dimension. Pick a favorite, then take her downstairs for a bite afterwards, go back up for dessert.... with her girlfriend!
Garotas 9
Amenities 7
Energy 9

Termas 65 (meia cinco) is a block over, similar to 4x4, but smaller. Otherwise the same comments apply. This place rocks, has some very nice talent.
Garotas 8-9
Amenities 6
Energy 8

Solarium is smallish and the action is confined to a single room with bar and DJ. Afternoons can be very slow. The line up is unspectacular, maybe a few 7s on a lucky day. Can't comment on the room as I passed and went to another termas.
Garotas 6
Amenities 6
Energy 5

L'uomo is more similar to 65 in terms of talent, there is regular massage on the premises, steam rooms are adequate. Also another room serving food, room with sofas for watching TV in case you go to a termas to catch novelas action. Cabinas are small, especially the beds and their ridiculous padding substituting for a mattress. Go for the upgrade I guess, I felt like I was in a jail cell. (The locals could care less, they just want the girl, don't care about the rest...LOL)
Garotas 8
Amenities 7
Energy 8-9

Monte Carlo is a space of nice size, everything professional and clean. The cabinas were the best I have seen. Huge jacuzzi, excellent king size bed, music, tv, the works. Lights dim. However the girls are somewhere between Solarium and L'uomo/65. Energy somewhere in the middle too. Too many people were sitting down just waiting or staring. Definitely has potential, though.
Garotas 7
Amenities 9
Energy 7

The other joints I have not been to..... yet.

BB

Junior

08-02-03, 16:28

Have anyone arranged to meet up with a terma girl outside the terma ?
Have abyone taken a terma girl for a short trip outside Rio ?

Cutting Edge

08-02-03, 17:24

Jak,

I guess you came into contact with the Oriental girl on reception who speaks good English. She tries that usaully after you have been a few times. I've been going there for about 2 years now, speak Portuguese with the reception and she still tries it everytime. I usually just smile and ask her whats the tip for, another time I asked her if Brasilians tip her (she declined to answer).

Overall the Termas go in cycles, Monte Carlo had a mega selection 30months ago, but since then it seems to go worse after every(now very infrequent )visit. The chicks in there about 1 month back were just on a par with the 20R$/20minute termas down in centro. Its also seems to be half refurbished and has been like that for months.

Rio Antigo is another less known terma, pretty new and clean inside the only downside is the selection of girls. Usually its hard to find one decent one, but the major problem is that when you go to the cabine, it is up to the girl to time the 40minutes. As a result you can end up with a chick who stops every few minutes to check her watch instead of concentrating on the action. One girl I had had a really crappy watch with no markers on the face. She tried to finish after 30mins, initially I had started my cell phone timer, but she started to argue saying it was wrong. Got back to the disco to find my mate, he only got 20mins. We complained, told most of the girls that the place was naf then left. The only nice person there is the old lady looking after your clothes.

There is also another place, not got a chance to go there yet but have passed it on the bus. I've seen it advertised around carnaval time(ball season)with swingers parties. Its called

Club Membros de Sa (I think number 302) and its on

Rua Club Membros de Sa, a one way street. We were going to VM on the bus at the time, the street is somewhere near Catete. I'll track more data down for you guys and maybe somebody could check it out.

tchau

Cutting Edge

Genghis Khan

08-02-03, 21:29

I just wanted to share with you an experience of a lifetime I had yesterday. I have been 5 days in Sao Paolo and will stay 4 days in Rio. Up until yesterday I would give SP the better score for the women. Mostly because the high quaility of talent at Cafe Photo. Yesterday however I ended up in Quatro x Quatro terma and found a woman who I would no rate 10 but rather between 14 and 15. She was the most beatiful woman I have seen. I had already checked out all the talent at Centaurus on thursday, in Help on wednesday and thursdag. I found nobody I would rate higher than 8. I am normally very picky. Then I saw this woman at Quatro x Quatro and I almost choked on my Caipirinha. Her name is Caissia. She is a a mulatta with the most perfect smile and a rear end to die for. When she smiles I just melt completly. She has a very soft way about her and she loves to kiss.

I took her up to the Sultan suite. This is the biggest suite with the Jacuzzi wich includes an artificial waterfall. We played around in this jacuzzi a bit. But the jacuzzi was very deep, so it was actually a bit difficult to sit in it and still being able to keep the head above water level.

After that we headed for the king size bed. She rimmed me for about an half an hour. This is someting I have never tried before, but I really liked it. Then she proceeded with the most sensual BBBJ I have ever had. To look at the stunningly beatiul face go down on me was worth the admission alone. After a while I had to stop her not to shoot my load and asked if she would like me to return the favour. She was more than pleased with the proposal and I gave her the best DATY I know. When I was finished my whole face was covered with her love nectar.

Several positions later where no hole went unexplored I finished and asked for her telephone number. I will go back to see her at 4x4 on monday and try to bring her out to dinner before maybe spending the night at my hotel.

I would seriously recommend her to anyone who enters the doors at 4x4. I have never had a better and more beautiful woman. If you see give your best regards fom the guy from Noruega.

Charm City Dave

08-02-03, 23:19

Tourist killed others robbed at gunpoint!

http://www.expats.com.br/noticias.php?cod=2657

For those that think this is off topic for this forum I assume saftey would be a valid topic. Rio does have some unique and wonderful venues for those seeking pay for play, but to tell just that side of the story is immoral. Everyone who goes to Rio is taking a risk. I hope this forum is to allow those that go to a location to make an informed decision. No this place is not like most large major western cities. Yes crime can happen anywhere, but Rio is more dangerous then almost any other city listed in these forums. This is true despite claims of the Rio tourist board. Here is a quote from the daughter-in-law to be of one of the victims.

'I'm ashamed. My in-laws came to Rio for our wedding. I live in Santa Teresa and hear gunshots every day. Unfortunately robberies have become banal in Rio. But my in-laws are from the state of Tennessee, they got very frightened and now are trying to convince us to move to the United States with them – said Débora Botton. '

I'm sorry but I live in NY and I have never heard gunshots in my whole life (except when I was in the Army and in Rio). And even in the worse NY neighborhoods, gunshots are not an every day occurance. Robberies certainly are not banal.

Ok I know some that want more Americans (and other foreign) customers in Rio will object to my posting this article, but if you die in Rio you definetly will not be getting anymore sex. Very on-topic here.

Only two weeks ago I predicted a tourist death. My opinion was disparaged. Also according to the article 541 tourists where the victims of crime on Copacabana during the first 3 months of the year. That is just reported crime. How much goes unreported?

Why do I report this? I was held up at gunpoint in Rio. And I went down there based on all these wonderful reports of paradise. Do I care if you go to Rio. No. I only care that if you do go you understand the risks and take all precautions!!!!!!

Wanderer1000

08-03-03, 04:07

Came back from my second visit to Luomo about three hours ago. I had as good an experience as my first visit. Friendly staff (nice lady at the front desk speaks very good English), not real crowded, relaxed atmosphere, facilities better than Monte Carlo or 4x4 - and, I just had to go with the same girl as last time. Her name is Marina, and she´s a mullato goddess to me (a 9). Worth checking her out. I was talking to a guy in Monte Carlo that had done her three times and he was happy with the performance. It was interesting to note that he thought the girls change a lot at Monte Carlo, but they pretty much stay the same at Luomo. It sounded like he had a lot of experience over the last several years with the termas. I think Luomo has the best quality girls. Maybe not as many as 4x4, but I saw a lot more girls that I wanted to be with at Luomo. Luomo also has many of the girls put on shows. I didn´t see this at 4x4 or Monte Carlo, but I saw it twice at Luomo. Maybe it was just the timing. Don´t know.
Junior, I got the phone and e-mail of Marina tonight and I just sent her an e-mail about meeting me tomorrow. It´s her day off and she has a five year old daughter at home (husband was killed in an accident three years ago), so if she can get her sitter to watch her daughter, we might be able to get it together. The communication is a little rough since I only know conversational Spanish. It will be interesting to see how this works out. But, I have heard from others that it is not uncommon to get their phone numbers and work something outside of the termas.

BeachBoy

08-03-03, 04:08

Jumior,

Yes.
Yes.

Meeting termas girls outside is not difficult. (Many go to Help after 1am.) However, their employers strongly discourage the practice and may sack the violator if she is found out. So be very discreet if you want to make such a proposal. Also keep in mind that the girl may have to pay a fine if she misses a day of work. Such fine can be around R$200/day. (Club owners are no fools. Imagine managing 60 garotas in Rio.....)
Most termas are closed week-ends, certainly sundays, so those days should be easier to set up.

I am of the impression that most termas girls hate the tedium of going to the same place every day, seeing the same staff and putting up with all the BS and rivalries. So a trip to Buzios for a long week-end, or even a flight to a more remote destination should be seen as a welcome opportunity by most. Especially if you have built a nice rapport with someone.

We await your reports..... Nice idea.

Doc Bill

08-03-03, 06:25

Just thought I'd share my experience with Blameitonrio.com: I'm sorry I bought my ticket from them, since I have since found cheaper prices, and I find them to be overall very flaky and nonresponsive. In addition, I checked out a lot of the hotels they advertise and came up with much cheaper prices just dealing directly with the hotels myself. I also wanted a combination air-pass and side-trip to Buenos Aires, and the best they came up with added up to about a thousand dollars. I got the same deal for half the price from a local travel agent in San Francisco. So buyer beware!

Cutting Edge

08-03-03, 17:22

Many girls claim to work at Barbarella. I usally ask them what they are doing in Help then. Its to improve their status that they say this, you commonly find that every girl you talk to from SP will claim to be in town for only a few days and works at Cafe Foto.

Why did she leave?

- Her friend may have signalled her that she had a better prospect/or they wanted to pair off together with two guys who knew each other.

- Some girls get impatient when there are communication problems and would rather bugger off than use brain cycles trying to communicate. You need to remember that the majority inside Help are empty heads / coke addicts etc.

- Maybe you did something that turned her off? Don't worry, not all girls are sex beasts, some are looking for an easy trick (5 mins to orgasm and no second nut).

- Your age, some girls don't like young guys because 1- they won't expect to pay as much, 2- they will fuck them harder and 3- might even expect it for free.

I imagine my first hypothesis is the correct one, many girls go there in pairs and don't want to leave there friend on their own.

Generally the girls in Help are hardcore, they need to recover that investment in entry etc.

tchau

Cutting Edge

Originally posted by Genghis Khan
OK, somebody please tell me what I did wrong.

I entered Help! disco yesterday. I saw a really nice girl dancing on top of the stage on the first floor. I approached her and asked her if she wanted a drink. She said yes and we sat down at one of the tables in the back of the stage.
She told me her name was Priscillay and worked at Barbarella. She was there with her friend also
from Barbarella. We received our drinks and she asked where I stayed in Rio. I told her Rio
Internacional Hotel. I do not speak Portugese and my English is not so spectacular either.

I tried to tell her that every room in my hotel have a balcony and that I think it is really nice. She responds that she do not like balcony.

It is drugs she says. I told her again that it was not Balcony bar I was speaking about but my
hotel. It seemed as she understood. Anyway when she had finished her drink, I asked if she wanted one more. She declined and pointed to her friend, then left
me. I was ditched.

What did I do wrong. I thought you
basically could not go wrong in Help!.

Snooky

08-03-03, 17:34

DocBill,

I too had went to to them but didn't like the prices from DC for over $1,000 just to go to Fortaleza. A friend of mine recommended a place in Orlando that specializes in Brazil and they hooked me up with a ticket for $737 and that included a 3 night stayover in Rio on my way to Forteleza. I already had the rooms hooked up in Fortaleza but they put me in touch with someone with a 2 bedroom apartment for rent in Rio for $60 US a night facing the ocean. For future trips you can e-mail me at commando5366@hotmail.com and I'll give you the info for them.

Snooky...

Originally posted by DocBill449
Just thought I'd share my experience with Blameitonrio.com: I'm sorry I bought my ticket from them, since I have since found cheaper prices, and I find them to be overall very flaky and nonresponsive. In addition, I checked out a lot of the hotels they advertise and came up with much cheaper prices just dealing directly with the hotels myself. I also wanted a combination air-pass and side-trip to Buenos Aires, and the best they came up with added up to about a thousand dollars. I got the same deal for half the price from a local travel agent in San Francisco. So buyer beware!

Doc Bill

08-04-03, 01:46

Thanks Snooky! Listen, I'll be in Brazil for a month (with a side trip to BsAs), and in Rio from 9/4 - 9/11 and again from 9/26 - 10/1. If anyone else will be there and you want to hook up let me know here or at docbill449@mindspring.com.

Rodriguinho

08-04-03, 03:10

Just came back from my first Terma experience. I went to L'uomo this afternoon, great great experience. I got a nice little blondie from Santa Catarina, I got the suite fro one hour and was not impressed by the size, the regular rooms must be closets! Anyways I didnt care much about the room since I spend at least 55 minutes pounding, eating and fingering her sweet pussy. she gave me her celll # so we may go out tomorrow nite. Hopefully get an all nighter for free hehehe (I got one that way in SP) or at leas at a bargain price. I s anybody down here right now I would love to meet some fellow monger to exchange tips/idaes. BTW Help suck big time, girls are jaded and hardcore business, I went there last nite with Nibu and I didnt like their approac too busineess oriented for my taste. Most girls quoted R$250, but could easily be bargained down to R$200 and then to R$150, Got me a amazonian indian from Manaus with a very nice round firm ass, we agreed on a TLN for 150, but when we finished she wanted to leave I let her go because she wasn't too affectionate (like the one today for example). I dont think I'm going back to Help, but surely repeat L'uomo and try the other Termas.

Nibu come by my house tomorrow around 11 if you want. I'll email you my cell # when I get it tomorrow.

Later

Ponce de Leon

08-04-03, 21:38

Luomo is great but the rooms are indeed small. I remember my first time there I did a double with 2 girls. I picked the 45 minute room and I felt like an acrobat manuvering all the positions with both of the girls. Mission accomplished but all things being equal take the bigger room. The following day I did do another 2 girl session in a bigger suite and there was adequate room. If you're only doing one girl than the normal room should be big enough but the bed is kind of small. If you're a bigger guy you probably will want the bigger suite.

Rule of thumb is that if you are not an ass the terma girls will sneak you their phone number. Most of the time they will scribble it on toilet paper or a paper towel from the bathroom and then slip it into your robe pocket after they shower and return to the room. Just make sure you don't forget about it. There have been times I've left it in my robe pocket and a nice attendant will hand me it. The best lady to do this is the lady that works at 4X4. I think her name is Sylvia. She is an older black lady that is always super nice and looking out for us dudes. I've seen several girls outside of the terma and they are great! It's kind of funny at first though to see them with normal clothes on. Kind of surreal since we always see them half naked or naked.

Cutting Edge made some good points about those Help girls. They can turn you done for a number of reasons which he listed. The thing most guys need to consider is that they do have to think about their expenses for the night. That entry fee is A LOT of money for some of them. I often wonder why some of them pay the R$20 entrance fee only to see drunk dudes with them later in the night. Beer goggles? Anyway, those girls have to pay that entrance fee every single time they leave and come back. That translates to at least 10% of their take on most transactions.

Have fun!

Rodriguinho

08-05-03, 00:12

Second Terma experience, another fucking success! this time 4x4, got a carioca blonde, with a big ass and a cute face, lots a anal action, BBBJ, and cum on her face, total w/ drinks only R$176 what a bargain!!! got her cell number and we will go dancing tomorrow and she´ll spend the nite @ my place. How much should I gave her?? Should I do a terma during the day or save my spunk for her??? decisions decisions

R

Genghis Khan

08-05-03, 15:13

Well, I went to Barbarella a couple of days later and she was there. I found out that the reason why she had dumped me, was because she was brought to Help with a customer from Barbarella. Her friend motioned her over because the customer from Barbarella was worried that she was going to leave with me.

Originally posted by Cutting Edge Many girls claim to work at Barbarella. I usally ask them what they are doing in Help then. Its to improve their status that they say this, you commonly find that every girl you talk to from SP will claim to be in town for only a few days and works at Cafe Foto.

Why did she leave?

- Her friend may have signalled her that she had a better prospect/or they wanted to pair off together with two guys who knew each other.

- Some girls get impatient when there are communication problems and would rather bugger off than use brain cycles trying to communicate. You need to remember that the majority inside Help are empty heads / coke addicts etc.

- Maybe you did something that turned her off? Don't worry, not all girls are sex beasts, some are looking for an easy trick (5 mins to orgasm and no second nut).

- Your age, some girls don't like young guys because 1- they won't expect to pay as much, 2- they will fuck them harder and 3- might even expect it for free.

I imagine my first hypothesis is the correct one, many girls go there in pairs and don't want to leave there friend on their own.

Generally the girls in Help are hardcore, they need to recover that investment in entry etc.

tchau

Cutting Edge

BeachBoy

08-05-03, 15:29

Rodriguinho,

I LOVE 4x4. That place rocks!
So many garotas to choose from.
I especially get a kick out of talking with the girls, have them explain the stuff they like to do while they turn this way and that, showing their merchandise. One garota told me she was shaved, then lifted her G-string discretely so I could verify the information. Cracks me up!

Re: the blonde date, you should save yourself all day, then bang her like a cheap drum all night. That way you will have yourself a keeper. Otherwise if you run out of steam, she will think she doesn't do it for you and might feel bad about the encounter.

In my experience, these girls take their labors very seriously. Did anybody ever notice how they are always checking the condom afterwards. A big delivery brings smiles and enthusiasm to their faces. Little squirts elicit moans and lamentations as they reach to take your temperature. LOL.

Party on!!

Cutting Edge

08-05-03, 18:54

Originally posted by BeachBoy
Did anybody ever notice how they are always checking the condom afterwards. A big delivery brings smiles and enthusiasm to their faces. Little squirts elicit moans and lamentations as they reach to take your temperature. LOL.

Party on!! Don't kid yourself, its to make sure you've not dropped some toxic load in her if the condom leaked/broke. LOL

Wanderer1000

08-05-03, 19:52

Getting ready to leave Rio in two hours after my first trip here for a week. I agree with Rodriguinho in that I wasn´t as impressed with the Help experience as I was hoping. I mainly used the termas and never had a bad experience. All of the girls I experienced at the termas had that important "inner quality" ( yes, I am a sensitive guy) that I call "the desire to please". When I return for a longer trip in the future (and have studied some Portughese - yes, the more of the local language you know does enhance the experience exponentially. I´m going back to B.A. for a week where I spent six weeks before coming here, and my basic conversational ability with Spanish has made a great difference in the quality of my experiences) I´ll definitely get some phone numbers from the terma girls and have some outside experiences.
Rodriguinho, I have the same question about what to pay a terma girl on the outside. I would think the R150-R200 for several hours is very reasonable. Any experienced players want to share? Thanks.

Rodriguinho

08-05-03, 23:19

I agreed R$250

Maybe too much, but what the heck, it's only money, I did some sighseeing today and Im horny as hell so I will bang her like a drum yeah!

Last night I went to Terraso Alantico (the Help before party) and sucks big time I went by myself and only got approched by ugly girls. I tried to call some girls that were standing there for more than an hour and they just ignored me. Help and surroundigs suck big time never going back there, it seems that girls prefer older dudeds (more money less hassle than younger ones) so if you are under 35 stay the hell away from Help!! Sitck to Termas and try to get a phone number.

About 4X4 I had a great time but the staff is extremely rude, the ladies at the vestiarios, the lady givng the rooms (she yelled at my girl when she asked the difference between the suites and the super suites), the asshole bartender. Lúomo was the oppossite. I got lost in 4X4 too, the place is like Minos' Labyrinth. Overall excellent girls, so so place, shitty staff. Lúomo excellent girls, OK place, good staff.

Jak: Why didnt you like Solaium's girls??

What about Aeroporto? I may try it tomorrow.

I couldn't find Pedagio.

R

Ponce de Leon

08-05-03, 23:43

Terma girls are an interesting bunch. Some of them love to party with guys they get along with. Some view it as getting paid to have fun with guys they would probably spend time with for free anyway. Some are all business. I've payed about R$200 to R$300 to spend several hours with a girl. This doesn't just include sex but sometimes you can go to the beach with them most of the afternoon and bring them back to your apartment for a good session. Others I've had lunch with, spent all day with them at a love motel like VIPS. (http://www.vipsmotel.com.br/) for about R$300.

If you're just looking for a quickie one hour session with them it shouldn't be more than R$150. They get slightly less than that for an hour long session at a nice terma. Guys mistakenly think the girls have to split 50%/50% with the terma. That is false. The girl gets most of the money for her sessions in a terma. Keep in mind that a girl won't always give you her # but most will if you're a nice guy.

Some believe the terma girls are at their best in the termas and I tend to agree with them. While I've had great sessions with girls I met in termas, there are soooo many girls in Rio I like to butterfly. Also beware of the hard core girls from the termas. One that comes to mind is Taiza that used to work at 4X4. Some guys swear by her but she isn't my cup of tea.

Definitely try to go to a love motel like VIP's. It's great.

Good luck.

Doc Bill

08-06-03, 09:29

And who make you the arbiter of all other posters and raters? You think your content served the mission of this forum? Geez, just when things were getting interesting and informative we got a soapbox.

Starfe

08-06-03, 13:44

Jony Vegas,

You give yourself way to much credit as a traveling ***** master.
I will now put you in the same class as Nibu.

Have a nice day

Starfe

Starfe

08-06-03, 13:48

"I WAS doing a service and one of only a few providing value added comments to assit newer visitors to RIO, but not anymore."

What an ego. I thank my lucky charms that your on board to guide me through this endless tunnel of love!!!!!!!!

Starfe

Leo

08-06-03, 14:43

...Granted, some valid points (ok, maybe most of them), but you have to admit that a very detailed post that merely duplicates info posted a few months ago still has value as an update, a validation of the information... no?

Let alone that the good posters do also provide some entertainment value... some visual and antidotal take-aways for us jonesers awaiting our next visit.

Thunderthrust

08-06-03, 17:58

Vegas, I could spent some time in a point by point deconstructive analysis oy your latest offering but I think I ll restrict myself to the following comment - What a dick

Cutting Edge

08-06-03, 19:43

Originally posted by BeachBoy
Wow, Johnny Vegas sound like "Raging Bull."
I'll be happy to vacate this board if my commentary is unwanted. Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes, I just like sharing enthusiasm and experiences.

BB Don't worry, I think its obvious he's lost the plot. Rather than a 'Raging Bull' he was just 'Talking Bull'. He has offered no information of value and if you check his post history here you'll find after his foray in Costa Rica he has made 1 trip to Rio (quite ironic he was slagging other members off for only making three trips to Rio!).

He knows nothing and hasn't yet provided any evidence to how my posts were incorrect.

I think our best course of action is to ask the moderator to revert him to Regular status so his nonsense posts can be filed where they belong.

CE

Cutting Edge

08-06-03, 20:08

Just finished reading Vegas's post, its so funny how a guy can get so worked up other nothing and end up insulting everybody at the same time.

In summary -

- Vegas always claims to have been in Rio three weeks previous to his present post.

- Calls people poor for using buses(great place to meet girls) while continually moaning about his HARD EARNED money.

- He seems pretty bitter about guys scoring non-pros, maybe he's never tasted any.

- Sends people north instead of south then moans at people who may mislead newbies. FYI Niteroi is across the bay, thats East. North of the Zona Sul is the Zona Norte.

- Goes on about 'Value Added' while posting stuff like ''tell us about the back room action''.

- He doesn't like the British.

- Has a low standard of education with border line English skills.

CE

ps People Lounge had a new facia as well as interior refit, sorry mate but I get my info first hand and not across the tables of MP.

Bandy

08-06-03, 20:19

Guys:

If you want to improve the quality of this board to the level of Buenos Aires (BA) Board, IMHO, try to incorporate as many trip reports as possible, even they are the repeat information about the same venues. Every trip report is unique in its own way, because the participants are different. If you go through the BA board carefully, they all discuss the same clubs (Madahos, Black, Hook, Newport, etc) over and over again. But it never gets boring. Girls change, prices change, hotel policies change, club policies change----see, there are lots of moving variables to make every trip report interesting. So make those detailed reports coming.
For newbies, I am re-posting the link that I mentioned on my April 29 post.

Bwana Dik's Rio Guide 2003

http://www.brazil-sex.net/index2.html

Lots of valuable information are available under this one single guide.

Bandy

Veinbuster

08-06-03, 21:39

Vegas,

I have neither the time nor the inclination to rip your BS filled post to shreds. It's not that much of a challenge anyway.

People can't get info from old posts because they have to trawl through 50+ pages of your long-winded immature ramblings just to find out what was posted last week.

Bottom line - If this thread fails to meet your expectations then why dont you f*** off to one that does instead of unloading all your unwanted BS here.

Have a great day.

Cutting Edge

08-06-03, 22:46

Originally posted by Leo
...Granted, some valid points (ok, maybe most of them), but you have to admit that a very detailed post that merely duplicates info posted a few months ago still has value as an update, a validation of the information... no?

Let alone that the good posters do also provide some entertainment value... some visual and antidotal take-aways for us jonesers awaiting our next visit. So most of the point's were valid eh? So I guess you've also bused it down to VM and had a walk around there(so you know which side of the road the Hells Angels bar is?) I must also have been mistaken that the TIM chip actually worked and maybe it was an echo in the background that I heard everytime I put the phone to my ear? (do you expect me to produce a list of every model of cell phone in production that works with TIM/OI just incase somebody comes from an incompatiable network?). I also just realised that the entire city of Niteroi has been relocated 30 miles away to the NORTH of Rio. Leo, I could go on about all the nonsense Vegas writes which anybody with a map and a brain can figure out without even visiting Brasil. Maybe you could call directory enquires, get the number for People Lounge and call them up (nobody would answer, its closed). Again, please highlight all these errors in my posts that you seem to agree are there with your last comments to Vegas.

CE

Rodriguinho

08-07-03, 15:16

Let´s ignore arguments

I went to Termas Rio Antigo yesterday.
Prices: R$40 entrance (free Mon and Fri, and R$20 Tu, We, Th if you get a girl)
Cabines: R$140
The facilities were the best I´ve seen so far, (L´uomo and 4x4) extremely clean the room area looks like that of a cruise ship.
ther were about 30-40 girls all donned in sexy uniforms. I made the mistsake of picking the girls that helped me in the locker room (I´ve sen posts that say that those are the most aggressive ones but not the best in bed), but she had this amazing butt and beautiful color (mulata) and big tits too, in the room she was the kind of girl that complains too much (ttoo fast , too slow too this too that),

Trippleecks

08-07-03, 16:09

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information for Men who are looking for sex with Women.

Please try to refrain from personal attacks and stick to the subject.

Jackson

Antoninho

08-07-03, 19:48

on the subject of crime in rio . there is a direct link to crime and sex in many cases so in this sense it is relevent to discuss it here .
many of us guys going to rio especially for the first time will indeed be robbed , not by banditos brandishing guns or knives , but by manipulative working girls . the most infamous scam as i`m sure most of the rio regulars are aware of by now is when the girl pretends thet she asked you for 150 dollars and not 150 reais as you could have sworn she said . do`nt fall for this scam . hold firm and pay the reais as what was agreed . they are chancing their arm .
another scam is paying for the taxi. this is bullshit . you should never pay more than the agreed price . many of the girls go right back to the disco anyways and it is only a short walk away in most cases .
another one is bringing you to a motel where the girl gets commision for bringing you the particular motel . some of these motels give approx . 30 reais to the girl .
and there still are a few druggings going on . the most famous one i heard of last year was the famous black american wrestler whom had his olympic medal stolen along with a substantial amount of cash - anyone heard about this one .
gotta go , catch you guys later.
must write a report soon about all the nasty things that have happened to me and my friend in rio in the last 5 years , but i must add the nice things by far outweigh the nasty things so have no fear .

Rodriguinho

08-07-03, 23:11

Just back from Aeroporto,

Price 50 Reais to enter, R$140 for 40 min in a room, R$210 one hour in a suite, the house opens M-F 12-12 I got there at 2:30, but it was dead half of the girls had not arrived, dont get there before 3:30 and not after office workers rush hour stars 5:00. I got me a nice gfake blonde with big tits and beautiful face and green eyes, Layla. Good fuck, she offered anal but we didnt get to it, great BBBJ, we fucked doggie for some 10 minutes the she gave me a 20 min BBBJ and came on her face, we continued to the jacuzzi (got the suite) and I procedeed to finger her with one, then two, then three, then four and finally with all my fingers. She loved it and she mastubated until she came.

Overall: body 8, face 10, BJ 9, fuck 7 (ranks 4th out of 6 fucks in Rio so far)

The terma: room 7, girls:8, facilities 7, atmosphere 7 (4x4 is cheaper and better, Luomo better, Rio Antigo slightly lower and cheaper)

R

Saint

08-08-03, 03:41

I've been fortunate enough to be able to go down to Rio several times. You can get scammed in any city if you're not careful. I've never been scammed by anyone in Rio. I think part of it is if you look like a sucker or you let yourself get scammed.

There is a little learning curve in Rio but odds are you will learn fast. There is a lot more to Rio than Help, the termas, Barbarellas and Copacabana. Take the time to see some of it if you get the chance. Just never forget where you are. Some of you keep harping about how dangerous Rio is. I'm not saying it isn't but the majority of guys I know spend most of their days in termas. The only danger you have in a terma is the danger of maybe your dick falling off from over use.

I've met dozens of guys in Buenos Aires and dozens of guys in Rio. I can honestly say it is two seperate types of guys. Granted, some of them are the same guys but most of the guys in Rio seem like they are out for the absolute cheapest vacation they can score. Nothing wrong with that but that might give you an idea why Buenos Aires is a better section. The class of guys going down there are different than Rio.

No matter where you are.... just have a fun time and stay safe. Use your heads! (Both of them).

P.S. Jony Vegas..... relax and have fun.

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 05:12

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 05:13

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 05:16

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 05:35

Doc Bill

08-08-03, 07:10

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 18:21

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 18:31

Trippleecks

08-08-03, 18:43

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 18:46

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 18:52

Jony Vegas

08-08-03, 21:05

Jackson - Its about frickin time you said something. If you would had jumped in a month ago when Cutting Edge and Others began jumping on some people for their posts and my numerous requests to you to do so this all could have been avoided.

That's all I was trying to do is get your attention and some assemblance back to this damn thread that you let get away from you!!

So finally my month mission has been accomplished!!

However, my one comment was true that I said here. I am outta here because there is no control over this thread and no one does have anything to say that I don't already know. The contributors lost focus of what the board was about, as I stated numerous times when seeking Jackson's assistance.

Yea, right.

Let's set this record straight: You have NEVER sent me any emails as you imply in your statement "as I stated numerous times when seeking Jackson's assistance".

If you want to get my attention, you can send me an email or use the "Report this post to a Moderator" link at the bottom of every report, but don't shit all over my forum waiting for me to notice you.

Jackson

Trippleecks

08-08-03, 22:21

Goodbye Jony Vegas I hope to see you again in Rio..

Admin

08-09-03, 20:21

Greetings everyone,

I can't believe how long you guys allowed this "Johnny Vegas" character to go on shitting all over the Forum, and I am amazed at how so many of you continued to endure his insults and waste time responding to his attacks.

There are more than 600 threads in this Forum, and it's impossible for me to review all of them every day, so I rely on the Forum Members to alert me when somebody is deliberately aggravating people and causing problems.

In the future, please use the "Report this post to a moderator" link at the bottom of every report. This function will send me an email with your comments and a link back to the report. It's the most efficient way for you to advise me of problems, and for me to link directly back to the report where I can take the appropriate action.

Thanks,

Jackson

Rodriguinho

08-09-03, 23:04

Boo Hoo

Leaving Rio,

I had me two farewell parties for myself, one in 4x4 and the other in L´Uomo, the best of Rio, forget abouth Help. Full GFE experiences

R

BeachBoy

08-11-03, 02:06

Rodriguinho,

Can you elaborate with some color commentary. Those are my favorite termas in rio, and I would love to hear more about your visits there.

BB

Hooch

08-11-03, 13:43

I have a question for all.

I have been to Rio several times. Loved the experience. Didn't do much at the termas. But made a lot of connections outside Help.

The first time I was there I was with some business friends, mixed company, and it was not possible to imbide :-). We were sitting in one of the cafes and these two absolute 10's sat down. Unlike other girls I've encountered, these were a bit more mature. In the 35-40 range. But 10's.

Ever since I have watched for a similar opportunity. But never really encountered to garotas of similar caliber and maturity. Does anyone have some links to services or girls that provide such services. Dynamite 10's of a little more maturity?

Just curious!

Rodriguinho

08-11-03, 16:56

Beach Boy,

Scroll down a couple of pages and you will find my first report on those two. BTW I followedyour advise to go to these places and avoid others like solarioum and Montecarlo. Why didnt you like solarioum, it used to get great reviews in the WSG???

Here´s the report on my second visit:

I got a call from Maia a girl I had fucked in 4X4 and in my apt (TLN), She was like"I wanna see you before you go". I was taking my after lunch nap so I told her i´ll go a little later, I didn´t really wanted to go because I wanted to try a new terma. Anyway her cal made me horny so I decided to go at around 3PM (in order to get there before 5PM, there´s a special offer that if you get a girl before 5 your entrance is waived). Anyways I got there at around 4:15 and looked for her everywhere without luck. I asked the reception desk and they informed me that she has just gone upstairs with another client. Tough luck. Well, not really because It took me exactly 2 minutes to find another candidate, Dandara (aka Amanda) from Niteroi, 22, great ass, blonde, cute face (looks a little like the Feticeira for those familiar with Brazilian TV), smll tits, so 10 minutes later we were in a suite. BTW I strongly recommend the one hour suite program over the regular 40 min cabine in 4x4 you get an extra 20 min for only 20 reais (R$150 vs R$130). Well Dandara is great, she told me that she lived 3 years with an American so I her English must be good (we only spoke Portuguese). Anyways the action was excellent great kisser, BBBJ, loves anal, a whole Kama Sutra revue, I came twice in her mouth and she had a very very noisy climaxx. 10 points!! After we finished she told me she was going to freshen up upstairs so I went to take a shower in the sauna and we agreed to meet in the boite. well, I´m leaving the sauna room and I run into Maia!!! she´s like al dissappointed we couldnt meet and she´s a little upset when I tell her thet I had gotten a program already. I took her to the boite and we made out for more than an hou, she trying to convince me to go upstairs with her, I wnated to go said goodbye to L´uomo later so I knew it was impossible to even think about it. while we were making out I saw Dandara dancing and she blows me a kiss when she sees me looking a t her, I guess she was cool about it. Anyways I was sad to leave Maia, but I guess it wasnt meant to be, I didnt press my luck to try to find Dandara to say goodbye (these Brazilian girls can get very possesive).

R

Rodriguinho

08-11-03, 21:01

Part 2 (I had to logg off sorry)

After shagging Dandara, I´m off to my apartment in Copa, took a power nap, eat something, a bowl of açai (energetic fruit according to brazucas) and I got to L Uomo at around 10:30. I change go into the boate and look for my little Catarinense blondie Nanda, she´s 23, petite, short blonde hair, nice smile, of mixed Italian/German origin. I look around twice a she´s not around, can you believe that? twice in a day I miss my girl!!! then I remebered that when I met her she was hanging out in a corner next to the bar with her crazy friend, I go there and she´s right were I left her LOL. Since she´s German she´s a little cold compared with most Brazilian girls, but she receives me with a nice tongue kiss, and we start making out for about 15 minutes until I get my hormones going. This time I went for the 40 min cabine (R$140). Boy, this girl makes me sweat, everytime I go with her I end up drenched in sweat. There´s something about her face when you r pleasuring her that makes me so fucking horny that keeps me going and going and going. She´s very quiet in bed but has this smile of pleasure that for meis the biggest aphrodisiac in the world, I fucked her good (alas no BBBj of anal, but I had done that earlier during the day :-)).

One important thing L´Uomo does not take credit cards anymore. Well actuall it takes CCs but only for the expenses tha go to the house. In this case I paid entrance (reduced from R$50 to R$30 if you get a girl), R$40 for the cabine and R$10 for the bar with my credit card, and R$100 (the girls part in the R$140) with cash . Other termas (Aeroporto) are adopting similar ways. This change seems to have occurred last week in L´Uomo, because the first time I went I had no problem paying everything with a CC. In Aeroporto I played stupid tourist so they let me pay with a CC this time, but make sure to take some cash just in case.

Now about the rest of the scene in Rio I was very disappointed. Help is the biggest tourist trap I´ve seen this side of the Atlantic, Mabs was dead the two times I went between (4PM and 7Pm), Balcony had only a couple of skanks, Meia Pataca was a little better but stuill subpar, Terraço atalntico was full of girls with a bad attitude (the Help crowd).

All in all I had a wonderful time in the Rio termas, I dont like the city or the people but the Terma is a great institution, I´m more of a Paulista monger but I must admit that SP has nothing that can rival termas, specially in terms of price/quality. I had full GFE experiences 5 times out of 6. 4 excellent fucks, one very good and one OK. Quality of the girls I picked went from very good to excellent.

R

Stinger

08-12-03, 23:16

This is my first post. I travel alot to SA and am always up for anything interesting. Was staying on the beach in Copa and decided to walk to L'uomo in the afternoon. Only two blocks off the beach, a guy handed me a flyer for Termas Copacabana, aka Agencia Andressa. I was right next to it and curiosity got the better of me so I went up. The address is 583 Av. N. S. Copacabana, # 203, and it is about 5 minutes from L'uomo. It is 10 R$ to enter. It is a little on the dingy side. There is a room with couches and a TV and the girls do a lineup. There were 7 girls there and they did not put any pressure on me. Two were tall blacks and the rest were white Brasilianas. Only one had somewhat blonde hair. 5 of the 7 I would rate as below a 5. The only two attractive ones were the somewhat blonde girl who was very petite and short, and one of the black chicas, Monique, who is 24. Monique is a cutie. She is a strong 7 or an 8. Her facial features are very fine. She wore heels most of the time, but I would estimate she was about 5-8 or 9 and about 115-120 lbs. Nice ass, shaved pussy, and medium natural breasts. She has a great smile and is very friendly. The madame said Monique is a professional masseuse also. Monique took me to a locker, took off my clothes, wrapped me in a bathrobe, the took me to the shower. After the shower, we went into a room that was about 8x8 with a bed on a raised platform. I told her I wanted the 40 minute "make love" and she came back in a few minutes. She gave me a very sensual bbbj and seemed to enjoy it alot. Then we fucked for awhile. She loves to French kiss and stay close. The blue light was not yet on, so she gave me a great massage of my arms and hands only for about 5 minutes until time was up. The hand massage felt like it was done by someone who had training. Very vigorous and unusual. Monique gets a 10 for effort and I would definitely go back. The prices here are lower due to the interior but it is in a good area and safe. For FS, 20/30/40/60 min is 50/70/90/120 R$. They also offer massage only, but I forget the prices, though it was also low. I got the impression that this place is reopening under new management. Anyway, the stinger broke off fully in Monique. Off to Sao Paolo.

Trippleecks

08-14-03, 04:30

Hi Jackson, what's up with the pop up adds..

Leo

08-14-03, 16:30

Originally posted by Rodriguinho
Part 2 (I had to logg off sorry)

Now about the rest of the scene in Rio I was very disappointed. Help is the biggest tourist trap I´ve seen this side of the Atlantic, ....

R

I have to disagree, Help might not be for everyone, but it is certainly not a tourist trap. I think it's quite the opposite, that the establishment is about at tourist friendly as they come:

- straight up entry fee of r$15 before midnight, r$25 after;

- drinks, for a club, are extremely reasonably price - i don't remember exactly but a bottled water may be r$3, beer r$5, some cocktails r$10 - same prices for you AND GAROTAS;

- no bar fine for taking a girl home.

Help is a straight up disco. Yes, it's filled with pay-for-play girls, and yes, some of the girls may give you tourist-trap treatment, but the place itself does not deserve a tourist-trap label.

So, then why the bad rap?:

- some/many of the girls will treat 'tourists' (e.g. you don't speak portugese, you look like a mark, you don't know the local prices) like tourists;

- this is a disco, not a terma, not a *****house (garotahouse if that previous word gets censored), so to score the best lookers you do need to have either good looks, rap/game, or both... or you'll pay more, maybe;

- there is a dress code of no shorts... maybe collared shirt req'd (don't remember)... but nice sandals are ok.

In summary, if you have any skills in the non-pro game, and you are a hybrid hobby/non-pro player, you should absolutely love Help. If you play strictly the hobby and hate the hassles/dealings of the non-pro game, you may not like Help.

Rodriguinho

08-14-03, 16:50

Leo,

Well maybe Help the disco itself is not a tourist trap, but the whole scene (Help plus the GPs in Help) is a tourist trap. I felt that the girls in there were too pro, and that´s probably my main complaint about the place. An quoting you: because "I have some skills in the non-pro game, and I am a hybrid hobby/non-pro player" I did not like the place. You may have had a different experience, but I felt that the girls were looking for the highest bidder.

At the termas, even though they are openly garotahouses, are much friendlier and give you more latitude to have a GFE.

R

Cutting Edge

08-16-03, 02:46

Leo,

I can see what Rodrighino was trying to say. To me, Help is a nest of Vipers looking to make some dollars. When I first started going there I deluding myself into actually believing that the girls were into me, actually its the folding stuff they are after.

I speak fluent Portugese, whats funny is that this actually puts many of the girls off THERE. On many occasions when I've disappeared to the bathroom/bar and returned my friend has been talking with some garotas, as soon as I start talking they are out of there in a flash. They know I'm not going to overpay, and they know I know the score.

So, in summary,

NON PROS - like guys who speak Portuguese.

HELP HO'S - significant number dislike guys who speak Portugese.

The place does vary from month to month, in Jan lots of new blood with OK attitudes, in the winter months you are left with the baseline skank(one girl was even asking for a deposit before leaving Help).

Remember, you'll never find a girlfriend in Help, I've meet many guys who thought they have, but they ALL ended up getting burnt.

CE

Doc Bill

08-16-03, 05:13

So where, if anywhere, can one find a girlfriend? Surely not the termas?

Cutting Edge

08-16-03, 14:25

Originally posted by DocBill449
So where, if anywhere, can one find a girlfriend? Surely not the termas?

Has anybody ever made a true girlfriend from a prostitute? If you want true love you need to get out of Copacabana at least. Even the so called 'trendy' disco's have a sprinkling of piranha's. The best places are malls, buses, bus stops etc. Opening lines are easy eg 'does this bus go there etc'. If the girl is interested she will follow on with a conversation. Get her cell and arrange a date. Its a numbers game(hit and miss), getting the number is easy but then you have to follow it up, be understood over the phone etc. One problem in Rio in particular is that most locals know most gringos come to Rio for sex, this makes it harder to score non-pros. NP's are easier to score in Jan & Feb when lots of Brasilians from other states are in town on holiday.

CE

Leo

08-16-03, 22:11

I agree that many, mabye the majority of the girls at Help fit your description... including and especially that part of actually waiting for a tourist (ie. dissing someone who speaks portuges or knows his stuff).

But there are nearly always many other girls not like this. And this is a good point - that Help can have (depending on night of week or time of year) hundreds of girls in there, with more than a few being 'semi-pros' - meaning a girl working the pro game that night, but not working it regularly. This rare find can indeed become a girlfriend type, and I know hobbyers that have found such (hey bro!).

I guess the key thing is to look at Help not as a pure pay-for-play place (of course it truely is), but to view as a strange type of disco. IMO, a man that plays the non-pay-for-play game regularly, can find Help quite fun as a disco with a tist, where he still has to 'pick up', but pays a little as he would in the U.S. (eg. dinner, drinks, movie, whatever).

Again, just trying to present some contrasting opinions so the readers may learn from us...

Catire

08-17-03, 01:19

Leo.

Don't bother with the naysayers. What you say is very correct in my experience. Of course, things might have taken a turn for the worse since the massive influx of tourists, especially Americans in the last 2 years.

Langer

08-17-03, 02:21

Guys,

I've been going to Rio for years and one major problem now is guys paying way to much in HELP. This attracts the wrong type of girls. Remember that you can go to a therma get a sauna / drinks / girl / suite for 250 reals. Yet guys pay 200 plus reals in HELP.

I pay 100 reals max 150. Every night I go I bring home a good looking woman. I was talking to a girl who works in help and she said an American guy paid her R$300 for just talking. Do you know what she called him? A FOOL. Also guys just get to drunk and the girls think they are fools.

There are many possible girlfriends in HELP but you have to learn Portuguese. How do you think a girl will like a guy who can't talk to her? Only Money and only for a short time. The girls particularly like American guys as there are mostly kind but guys don't be a fool.

If you get a semi pro they will like the guys that talk Portuguese and dont PAY OVER THE ODDS it is a matter of respect.

Langer

Cutting Edge

08-17-03, 02:42

In Jan and Feb you get loads of girls in Help from SP,BH and beyond. There are a few innocent girls who you can pick up but these are in the minority. At other times of the year you are left with the hard core baseline. Most of these are looking for the mug punter who will overpay and only want short time.

Over the last ten years the place hasn't really changed much, just the faces. If you think of it the way Leo does, ie expenses for sex then thats fine. A night out with no screw back home can cost more than a programa in Help but don't get emotionally attached to the girls. The place is littered with girls saying how they went back to europe(visas are much easier for the girls to acquire) to live with some guy, but they got bored and came back to Rio after several months of marriage.

These girls know how to play a guy, in another section of this board is some gigantic nonsense thread about how one guy says the girls like blue guys, another says no, they like yellow guys while one other says they like short fat purple men. At the end of the day a girl goes to Help to get money, she's laid out expenses to get in and she needs to recoup this investment. The only colour she is interested in is the colour of your money. Don't delude yourself, one sad scene I saw was in one of the jewellers down the side of the Orthon. An aged, black American guy was buying a girl an engagement ring, however I knew this girl, she's been working the tables at Meia Pataca for 3 years or so. What BS line had she spun him?

If you want to find nice girls avoid Help, even outside at Sobre de Obras is much better as the girls just pass by and have no investment that they need to recoup.

CE

Junior

08-17-03, 16:30

Got a response from Luomo regarding their prices:
"
Entrance fee: R$50 (about US$15)
Japanese Cabins: R$140, (about US$40) - 40 minutes with one attendant
Suites: R$200 (about US$57) - 1 hour with one attendant
SuperSuites: R$230 (about US$65) - 1 hour with one attendant
"

Rio Nut

08-17-03, 16:52

Yes, Help is a horrible place to find girls, well not so horrible if you compare it to the USA, but for Brazil it is bad. It is filled with guys who CHASE after *****s! And the *****s are so used to it, that they now raise their prices and act snobby! Only the ugly *****s will be desperate to find someone. There are always exceptions though, but you have to look hard.

The area around it is just as bad. Meia Pataca, the beach, etc I have found are filled with drug addict *****s, or *****s who have been there for years, and so will probably not be very healthy. Lots of dumb Americans who think they are experiencing "the real Brazil" in Copacabana. What they do not know is that that whole area is just one big amusement park for tourists.

Do not marry these girls, or think they are your girlfriend! I am sorry, but you must be a real loser to have to resort to prostitutes for girlfriends. Many girls in Brazil, but if you do not speak Portuguese almost fluently, then you will not get laid consistently unless you look like Brad Pitt.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Wanderer1000

08-17-03, 17:01

But L'Uomo's entrance fee drops to R$30 if you do a session with a girl.

Leo

08-18-03, 16:48

RioNut,

Sir, where would you recommend a hobbyer, even with Portugese skills, on a 3-4 night long-weekend vacation in Rio look to find a combination evening of sex and girlfriend potential?

Places like the malls and Ipa or Barra de T. beaches are good for meeting girlfriends, but you likely have the same probability of finding first night sex (critical if you're in town for under 5 nights) with these as you your odds of meeting a girlfriend (for your times in Brasil) at a place like Help.

While we await some alternatives, I suggest Help is just this place (hit and miss of course, and for the as-previously-described types of hobbyers).

Rodriguinho

08-18-03, 18:07

I would recommend a Terma rather than Help for GFE

Catire

08-19-03, 00:38

While many terma girls do indeed offer the elusive GFE experience, just make sure you`re not her 6th or 7th customer that day (as you will often be)

that tends to kind of ruin things.

Rodriguinho

08-19-03, 01:38

I try not to think about that LOL and that will ALWAYS be true

Cutting Edge

08-19-03, 01:45

I think we are at cross purposes with regard to the terminology. I think Rionut was refering to a Girlfriend and not a GFE. A GFE is the illusion provided by a well talented GDP(garota da programa) during her working hours.

You also have to consider that some guys spend months at a time down there. For them, they need a Girlfriend and not a series of GFE's. I've seen many a guy broken by too much of the later. Somehow he forgets he's paying her and believes all that emotion is true. Short timers don't have this problem as usually they are out of there again before anything develops, however the long term monger soon discovers one or more of the following.

- she's seeing others guys at the same time.

- she has a Brasilian boyfriend(and baby).

- she jumps ship to another gringo with a bigger wallet.

- his money runs out and she leaves

- he tries to convert her to a GF, not a GDP, she pulls a face then walks away.(After all, she was only with him for the money anyway).

This all equals a broken heart on the part of the guy. Happens to everybody, its just how long it takes to sink in. I would say though, that your average Brasilian GDP can give more affection than your average white euro female(this add's to the guys emotional confusion).

CE

On The Road

08-20-03, 19:02

Hi fellow mongers.
Tomorrow I'll be in Rio for my first time, and I would like to ask an info: if you should try out one and only one terma, which one you would try?
Thanks a lot.

IOTR, on the road again.

Rodriguinho

08-20-03, 19:35

Italian,

Two alternatives:

L´Uomo: location (in Copa), facilities
4X4: number of girls, prices (entry fee waived if you take a girl to the room before 5PM)

R

Thunderthrust

08-20-03, 21:25

I'm going back to Rio for my second trip there in early September having been there for the first time in February. I have to say that I thought Help was pretty good and full of top looking chicks every night. Can anybody confirm what the scene in Help is like at the moment? Is it busy? Will garotas be prepared to accept less cash than they would be in February given that I m assuming there will be less tourists?

Also, whats the weather like? Will the beaches still be teaming with breasty stunners?

Thanks

Nordboer

08-20-03, 22:59

Hello
How long time take it from copacapana to 4x4 in taxi?

Rodriguinho

08-21-03, 01:03

I didnt forget (it´s tatooed on my brain). take the metro to Uruguaiana station, its about 25 min from the Copacabana station (10-11 stations), then walk 3 or 4 blocks, there are maps of the neighboring area in every station.

The area is Ok during the day but kind of rough at night (lots of homeless guys sleepin on the floor when I went to pick up a girl for a TLN).

I took a cab but only at 11 PM and it took less than 15 min and less than 15 reais, it will take more during the day, very busy area.

R

Athos

08-21-03, 21:30

4x4 and 65 by metro. If you look at the map of Rio, you might think Uruguayana station is closer than Carioca station to termas but having tried both, Carioca is the best metro station to go to 4x4 and 65.
First you cannot get lost as station is right by main street Rua Branco and it is a bit closer. Third advantage, with a small detour you can stop by Cafe Columbo which is a French pastry restaurant. They make great sandwiches and pastries.
If you decide to come back by metro, stop by Siqueira Campos station, last metro stop in Copa, 1 block from Luomo.
As you leave Carioca, go to Branco, make a left, then 4 blocks later make a right on Rosario to go to 65 or a block later make a right on Buenos Aires.

Athos

08-21-03, 21:44

From Copa to Centro termas, it takes about the same time going by taxi or by metro, I'd say about 15 min. The rio metro is modern but not as fast as Sao Paulo. By taxi, you may hit some traffic leaving Copa and entering Centro but it's not that bad.

Concerning Help, odds are not as good as termas to get gfe but I still like the place. You can find semi pros, local girls needing to pay the bills, you can find out of town girls, and you can find terma girls who show up after their day shift at about 1:00 am. Now if you're a newbie and want to know how to differentiate these girls from the hardcore pros, it's a tough call. Best is to always go with the vibes. On following trips with more experience, you will recognize the bad apples.

Snooky

08-22-03, 03:16

I'll be in Rio on 8/28 through 8/30. Anyone there at that time?

Snooky...

Java Man

08-22-03, 04:11

snooky:
i arrive 8/29,( for the fifth time,) and leave 9/10.
i believe docbill and termasboy, (i think thats his handle here) will be there during that time.
meia pattaca around noon each day.

Ricobd

08-22-03, 09:56

Gentlemen,

I am traveling to Rio in October for the first time. Can you please provide me with "associate" or "member" login and password information for acompanhantes websites.

In return, I will feedback detailed reviews of the acompanhantes personally sampled.

I can be contacted at the following email address:

ricobd@charter.net

Thank you in advance.

Rico

Sal Dali

08-22-03, 20:10

I'll be there from the 3rd through the 10th of September, speak portuguese relatively well (well enough to survive) & would look forward to hooking up with you guys too. I'm a long time lurrker & have posted mostly on the TSM/WSA boards (under other names, but more recently under svas).

Rio in about 10 days. It just can't get much better than that!

On The Road

08-22-03, 20:31

Rodriguinho, thanks a lot for your usefull info, here and in the sampa board.
Tonite I´ll check out the Luomo terma, so close to the place I am.
A little bit. Yesterday I had a garota from help. 21 y.o., ask 200r$, had her at 150r$ (should be less, but she was so beautiful... ;-) ).
Very good GFE, really. Maybe tomorrow I´ll go with here for some touristic walking. (Yes, I know the FFF rule!).
My first experience at Help was not so bad... more reports will follow!

IOTR

Snooky

08-23-03, 03:23

How will I know who you are? Snooky...

Originally posted by Chingon
snooky:
i arrive 8/29,( for the fifth time,) and leave 9/10.
i believe docbill and termasboy, (i think thats his handle here) will be there during that time.
meia pattaca around noon each day.

Snooky

08-23-03, 03:24

Is it 110 or 220 volts in Brazil. Snooky...

Java Man

08-23-03, 04:40

snooky:
110 volts, but the prongs are of different size, so your USA device won't fit. go to radio shack and get a travel volt converter. (dont get the whole word kit, it can get expensive)

just look for a dark haired guy, who you might mistake for a local, ( i am latino) sitting with a tall blonde guy. hmmm......i'll be wearing a harley-davidson shirt.
u staying at a hotel or apartment?
my e-mail:
Rmuyvago@hotmail.com

Trippleecks

08-23-03, 13:12

Snooky, just come down with what you have and go into any hardware store in Copacabana and buy an adapter for 3 reais.. The only difference here is the 2 flat prongs are the same size and in the US sometimes one of the 2 flat prongs is fatter. Also they do not have 3 prong plugs in Copacabana either so you will need an adapter for that also.. That is the only difference.

Snooky

08-23-03, 14:13

Thanks for the info on the power.

Chingon,
Sent you a message at your e-mail.

Snooky...

Cutting Edge

08-24-03, 17:21

Originally posted by Joe Francis
Anyone see the movie City Of God about the slums of Rio back in the 60's and 70's?

I take it you mean 'Cidade de Deus', its just been released in Brasil on DVD, will pick up a copy next trip. Not actually seen it but it got rave reviews. The Prefeitura(city council) in Rio didn't like it as it showed the city in a bad light.

CE

Doc Bill

08-24-03, 17:33

"City of God" is an incredible movie. Having not been to Brazil yet I can't say how real it is, but it's really powerful, thumbs up (sorry for this nonsexual content!)

Catire

08-25-03, 02:36

City of God is a terrific movie. I would recommend it to anyone.

I`m not sure how much you will learn about brazilian "culture" from the movie but you will get a very good idea about the Brazilian slums, "favelas" and the life most people face there.

In certain ways it´s "Scarface" set in a Rio favela (though the movie is also more than that)

I think my favorite part is the housewives talking about anal sex (one recommending it to the other and talking about also using a banana)

then you see a banana by the bed, followed by moaning sounds (as one of the housewives is cheating on her boring husband)

Grshel1

08-25-03, 14:17

RIO – Day 4... Relaxing

After being out unitl two in the morning yesterday, today was going to be a little slower paced. Around ten I ventured to the internet café to check e-mail and post a report. Oh! That reminds me, the runs are over.
The afternoon was spent at a small park just off Ipanema beach enjoying the arts and crafts at the weekly Hippie Fair. Also, found a quaint little second story Irish Pub where a Boston ****** was able to enjoy a Guiness draught and I sampled a local beer.
No terma action for me today. After a nice nap, I met three fellow hombres for a great meal at Camillo´s. My filet was big, cooked correctly and very tasty with cracked peppercorns. The chocolate cake with a liquid fudge center and a scoop of vanilla ice cream was a perfect conclusion to the dining experience.
Waiting for Help to open we enjoyed a couple of beers while people watching from the outdoor area of Terrace next door to Help. Quite an interesting and varied crowd gathers there waiting for Help to open…or to offer their wares to interested mongers. Alas, once again I failed to go inside Help. Julia looked too young. A detailed check of her government issued picture ID revealed she is actually 21. Needless to say she is spinner by anyone´s definition of spinner.
Her opening price quote was 100 reals (yes one hundred rels). Sold…well bought…whichever… off to the apartment. Once inside, Julia wanted something to drink and tried to tune the TV to the sex channel. My cable package apparently does not include that channel…but through the fuzz I could tell that it was indeed a porn show going on. Some DFK and mutual groping was followed by a shower. The session was good…but not great. CBJ…whee….DATY which she seemed to really enjoy…multiple positions; Money well spent. Will I repet with her….Naw.

LIFE IS WONDERFUL

Grshel1

08-25-03, 14:18

RIO - - Day three... Nice

Day three in Rio was nice. The weather was fantastic. Now remember it is winter here. The high for the day was about 90. My kind of winter.
L´lumo was all I expected it to be and more. This the the 23rd year of operation for the terma and to celebrate each month on the 23rd they have food and go an extra yard to make all the guests feel welcomed. I ate the tasty morsels set out for our enjoyment. I even tasted the lovely morsel I took to the suite before the food was set out.
Nanda was a small blonde from southern Brazil. Nice attitude, very nice body, very sweet GFE even before going to the suite. She was everything you could ask for as a monger. BBBJ, DFK, DATY, 69, multiple positions, showering together, and even a foot massage as a finale. As a side note guys, we all have something that is special to us, mine is having my feet rubbed after a great session. Well, I found paradise in Nanda….actually her name is Fernandia…or some spelling close to that.
We headed to Franks to watch the late show. We left Franks at 1:30 with no show happening. I am not sure what the problem was or is….and I had neither the time or inclination to determine the problem.
Between L`lumo and Franks we stopped at the terrace and watched the goings on outside Help. Seeing it for the first time I was surprised at the large crowd gathered at the terrace. There was about an equal mix of men and women. I am not sure, but I think a guy could get laid there….if he played his cards right. Give me the terma where the action and price are known….the selection of who is the only question.
For those that care about my health…Montezuma is still alive and thriving. As I write this on day four….Pepto is winning the battle today, but I am afraid the war is not over.

Grshel1

08-25-03, 14:19

Rio -- Day Two...Revenge

After a good night of sleep I woke at my usual five thirty time. Hey, I grew up on a farm and spent 20 years in the army…habits are hard to break. Alas, the reason for waking was not some TLN wanting to take care of a morning woody. It was the call of that famous Aztec normally associated with Mexico. Well folks, he made it this far south. Montezuma’s Revenge is upon me with all its fury and force. My new best friend is Pepto Bismol (never leave home without it).
I did go with Don and the gang of Hombres for a second consecutive night at the worl famous four by four. As soon as I walked in the door a garota grabs on to me. She remembers my name. She reminds me that yesterday I had told her I would be back today and it would be her turn. Well, who am I to make a liar out of a beautiful lady?
Actually, she had been the first to catch my eye on my first visit. By the time I had survived the room, drank a beer (or two) and decided to pick out a lady…she was taken. Needless to say, I did not leave until after a second session. The lady from last night (and no I cannot remember her name) was 20, no kids, no husband….short with at least a D cup. The session was wonderful and she is the first I would consider repeating. Nice BBBJ, GFE, DATY, multiple positions, no anal. They can’t all be perfect. I will say she was the tightest of the three I have sampled in Rio.
Let me say one more time….if you don’t speak the language and want to get the most of your time in Rio…use Don and his folks. The price may seem high…the value far exceeds the price. Knowing where to go, who to get you there, who to avoid….priceless.

LIFE IS GOOD…even with the revenge

Grshel1

08-25-03, 14:19

RIO Arrival and Day One

Before departing I went through my checklist. Passport and visa..check. Money…check. Plastic peso…check. Vigel, escalate, pocket rocket, chocolate…check. Anything else I can get while I am there. Hombres … thanks for all the help on taking the right stuff.
The trip was long…what else is new. I won´t go into mundane details about a sick cat before leaving, delayed take off at MIA, but arrived safe and sound in Rio, almost on time. Don´s driver was there and picked up three members of this board that are using his services. Before long Don will be chartering planes to carry the vast number of fellow mongers coming to paradise.
Day one. After getting settled into the apartment it was a shower and off to the office…I mean Alcazar. I think there were nine hombres there and at three seven of us headed to 4X4 for this rookie´s introduction to life in the terma. I must say it was everything I thought it would be and more. Four by Four is huge. I am glad Don was there to show us the place. A man could get lost in there.
My first session was with a nice little lady that had checked my tonsils before we headed to the cabin. I opted for the one hour 150 reals session versus the 40 minute 130 reals session. Sula provided a wonderful session, GFE, BBBJ, DATY, multiple positions and, yes, she is a three holer. Maybe it would be nicer to say complete satisfaction. A duet in the shower was nice and so was the brief massage before time ran out. Having sessioned before five my entry few was waived.
As the six o´clock hour arrived the place was getting very crowded. The new VIP bar opened at 4X4 is a fantastic place to get away from the crowd and noise. Again, thanks to Don, we knew about the VIP bar. It costs an additional ten reals to get the VIP pass….but a session before five and that too is waived. At seven they have a nice show, the noise goes up and the clothes come off a couple of ladies on the stage. Nicely done show with good music and beautiful ladies.
My second session was with a blonde that was a bit aggressive. Read that as not as good looking as some of the other garotas. She did have a nice body and provided wonderful service in the cabin. This time I opted for the 130 real and 40 minute session. Smaller cabin….very small cabin. GFE, BBBJ, DATY, multiple positions….not a three holer. Alas, what can you expect of 40 dollars?
The real was 2.98 at the ATM….life is good. Off to see some of the touristy sights today. If I get good pics may post those for that want to show folks what ¨you¨ did in Rio.

LIFE IS GOOD.

Rodriguinho

08-25-03, 16:08

Grshel1,

good reports man. I remember that sweet blondie, Nanda, I didnt get the massage but I got a lot of DFK and GFE, I got her cell number but we were not able to go out for a TLN

I miss L´Uomo and 4x4, Termas beat the hell out of Help and surroundings

good times good times

R

Catire

08-25-03, 20:06

"DON, and a gang of HOMBRES"

now there is a scary thought.

Very very very scary indeed.

time to get out of Rio and hang out in Minas Gerais, methinks.

Doggus

08-25-03, 20:10

Ladies,

The countdown is on - 10 days until Doggus touches down in Rio and is unleashed amongst the ladies once again.

14 glorious days and nights - that's 14 terma visits and 14 impressive appearances in Help.

Quality real time posts to follow.

Stay tuned.

Doggus

Cutting Edge

08-26-03, 01:42

Originally posted by Catire
"DON, and a gang of HOMBRES"

now there is a scary thought.

Very very very scary indeed.

time to get out of Rio and hang out in Minas Gerais, methinks.

Touche, I guess this is the infamous idiot(stinking the airconditioned termas out with his filthy cigars) who makes a living by leading around a flock of sheep who could quite easily get around on their own. You must be nuts to pay some guy to take you a few miles, its not as if 4x4 is in the centre of Complexo de Alemao!!

The girls actually poke fun at the cronnies he drags along(they're always taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) behind their back). You loose all respect with the girls if they think you need a guy to hold your hand just to go downtown during the day(remember the macho culture!!). One time I saw him and his sheep, the guys with him were too shy to take their shoes/shorts off. How funny, a gang of gringos with tennis shoes, long bermuda shorts and a robe :-).

I guess he must be overstaying his visa by now...

Grshel1

08-26-03, 14:02

RIO - - Day 5

Yesterday was nice. Last night was wonderful. It was cloudy and hazy all day with rain all night. Great sleeping weather. Everytime I woke up I could listen to the rhythm of the falling rain.
Let´s get to the fun. Last night, well yesterday afternoon, it was time to explore the often praised, often panned, Terma 65. Now Terma 65 is only a short block and a half from Terma 4X4, so if 65 is not up to expectations we knew it was a short walk to greener pastures.
I was eyeballing a cute little thing that definitely wanted me to know she knew how to shake her perfect little ass. A fellow ****** warned me that she looked good and spoke excellent English, but from first hand experience she was a limp dishtowel in the room. He suggested another lady that was standing by the wall.
The lady by the wall was not the best looking gal in the house. For openers she has braces, that is off set by a nice body and bottle blonde hair. I walked over to her and was immediately blown away by her fantastic positive attitude. She declined a drink, but I had another beer while we sat on the couch and got acquainted, terma style. That means some conversation, lots of DFk, grappling and groping and feeling like a teenager parked on lover´s lane.
Beer finished and she jumped at the suggestion we get a room. In the room I was blown away again. Literally and figuratively. She was a total GFE. She was thrilled at my DATY enhanced by Escalate. I am not sue how long we delighted each other with mutual oral pleasures, but then it was time to wrap the rascal and step up to the plate. Again, I was thrilled, this lady was providing the best of the best for me this year…that includes three trips to BA and of course time at home. She mounted my ready member and made some moves I have only seen on porn movies, we changed positions several times and I felt like a championship rodeo rider trying to hang on to the meanest bucker in the corral. Doggy style I teased that other little round orifice of pleasure and she produces some lube and we are off to exploring a third hole.
After nutting Carol provides an excellent massage. Lordy mercy if she doesn´t get a second rise out of me. This time I was literally blown away with a CIM experience. Now given my age and a pop just ten minutes earlier she had to work for her reward. Work she did and her efforts were amply rewarded. Mercy….I am still smiling.
The phone rings as we are cleaning up and I am pinging off the walls a ceiling. This one will be a repeater.

LIFE IS WONDERFUL.

Grshel1

08-26-03, 14:06

I have not experienced the negative side of showing up as a group. If anything, an early group gets the ladies moving and shaking. Early money means more action for the night for them. I am sure some folks wear tons of clothes under the robe. The only question I have is whether to free ball or not. I even saw some dudes in 4X4 with baseball caps on...go figure.
Yesterday, I spoke with an American in Rio for his first time. Poor man is lost as a goose. Only knew of two termas and Help. BUT, he was saving money not having hired a vacation enhancement associate. I am happy with my investment, and the returns are showing it is a good investment.

Opebo

08-26-03, 14:39

This is my first post. I'm a resident of Thailand and a frequent visitor to Philippines and Cambodia, but I have always wanted to try Latin America, particularly Brazil. The women there are so hot, and I have really beat any Asian fetish I had to death. But I have one big question for you guys. In Asia I have no problem getting what I want, which is bareback full service. I'm guessing that this is not going to be so easy in Brazil? Any other Latin countries where one might have luck with this?

Catire

08-26-03, 17:02

a "vacation enhancement associate"?????

I am laughing my mother fucking ass off!

Cutting Edge - dead on correct! I´d be willing to bet lots of reals that the girls basically think of these flocks of geese as "useful idiots" (meaning paying idiots)

It pleases me to no end that I had a chance to experience Rio before the likes of Don

(maybe it´s time he gets a real job)

before groups of HOMBRES

(I would have preferred that they stayed in their previously beloved Mexican bordertowns)

before Snoop Dogg and his homeboys showed up

(I would have preferred that they stuck to tapping the asses of the crackhos back in the hood)

Fortunately.... one CAN get out of Rio, and even perhaps operate successfully within it.

Just think of the laughs and communication that you can establish with the girls by merely pointing out and laughing at these bufoons.

Cutting Edge

08-26-03, 18:15

Originally posted by Grshel1
I have not experienced the negative side of showing up as a group. If anything, an early group gets the ladies moving and shaking. Early money means more action for the night for them. I am sure some folks wear tons of clothes under the robe. The only question I have is whether to free ball or not. I even saw some dudes in 4X4 with baseball caps on...go figure.
Yesterday, I spoke with an American in Rio for his first time. Poor man is lost as a goose. Only knew of two termas and Help. BUT, he was saving money not having hired a vacation enhancement associate. I am happy with my investment, and the returns are showing it is a good investment.

Sorry, but you're sounding like a SPAMMER, I wonder why you continually make a big deal about mentioning this guys name over and over and heaping praise on him. Then you present a case history of some guy who didn't use his service and the resultant bad time he had.

ps Macho men don't run around like a flock of sheep! Wearing a baseball cap is one thing, long shorts and shoes is another!!

Hooky

08-26-03, 18:35

If someone wants to use a pimp, that is their business.

Except most of the customers have no idea what is really going on with the games that these guys are running.

The reason you see the spam on the board is because if they advertise for the guide, they think the guide will take care of him better on his next trip. Most guys say they won't use the guide the next time, they wouldn't need him anymore. But they want to curry favor so they can hang around the clique that associates with them.

I think some of you out there know exactly what I mean, others maybe not.

This isn't meant as a flame on anyone who posted here.

Saint

08-26-03, 19:33

Guys. I'll throw my 2 cents in on this subject because guys always ask me my opinion on it. I'm not going to mention any names and don't see any need for others to either.

Hey, if guys are willing to pay up to $250 US for someone to show them around it's their prerogative. I don't belittle a guy for being able to extract that much money from other guys. No one is forcing these guys to pay for a guide. Part of the reason guys do this is because many of them have never been outside the USA let alone to South America. They also don't speak the language. For many of them it's their first international trip. Combine that with a perceived fear of getting mugged on every street corner. You come to sites like WSG where you have everyone and their brother saying, "they know a friend that was drugged, mugged or worse".
Take what you read on these message boards with a grain of salt.

I've met tour guides down in Rio and I know guys that have used them before for the reasons I mentioned above. The one thing you'll notice is that no guy that used the services of a tour guide in Rio will use that service again. You know why? Because they come to the conclusion that it really isn't needed in the first place. Many of them after the 2nd or 3rd day never have any more contact with the guide. I've said it before since the very first time I went to Rio.... hobbying in Rio is like fishing in an aquarium. You not only can see what you want and are fishing for but you can easily scoop it out of the aqurium with almost no effort at all.

There is so much information on these message boards you should easily be able to find where you will stay and how much it will cost, the names/address/working hours of the termas, the clubs to go to, etc. But again, I've never been against the freedom of a guy to spend his money the way he sees fit. No one can tell me how to spend my money and even if they did I'd laugh in their face. Guys should do what makes them feel comfortable and what feels good to them.

If a guy wants to pay another guy up to R$750 to hold his hand and show him around Rio I'm not sure why others are getting worked up over it. Yeah, I think it's silly too but I have no problem with it. I'll never pay another dude to show me around Rio. To each his own. Good luck all.

Saint

Cutting Edge

08-26-03, 21:50

I think the reason people are angry with the guides is that they are pushing prices up and service down. My first trips to 4x4 were about 3 years ago, I would be the only gringo there and get GREAT service.

However, guys like the aforementioned take in large groups, some of whom could be labelled nerds/socially incompetant. These guys probably haven't kissed a girl in the previous year and think its amazing that a girl will kiss them let alone screw them. They let the girls take control and you end up with a regimented lay. The girls then imagine this is standard for gringos and you end up with lots of girls trying all sorts of BS(ie no anal etc). Only since the aforementioned decided to take large groups to 4x4 has all that BS started with the reception asking for TIPS etc. The guy also gets kickbacks from the termas, and according to other sources the freelancers he introduces also.

People like him are ruining the scene....thats why many of the pioneers go have gone underground.

Listen dear newbies, just hit MP/Balcony/Mabs/etc, team up with some others guys and go as a group. There are always some old timers around who will give FREE advice.

CE

Rio Nut

08-26-03, 23:16

Yes these guides seem no different than the Brazilian low lives who try to be your guide and take your money. They may speak better English but that is it

You say his name is Don, I think I will mention this to my friend in Brazil's Federal Police about whether these people have valid visas and work permits, because as you know you cannot work and make money with work permits, and visas are hard to get.

If they have permenant visas, then I would wonder how they got it, because there was a big crackdown in rio where fake visa selling operation was shut down for selling permanent visas and passports to foreigners.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Saint

08-26-03, 23:19

Cutting Edge,

You make good points. I don't look at it as driving up prices since most of the places the guides are taking guys to are termas. One price for all there. However, there is nothing worse than being in a terma and having an entire pack rat of guys come in with a guide. I hate being at Luomo when all of a sudden up to 8 guys come in with the guide. Makes me glad that I just sessioned and I head to another terma.

I'm not sure about all the kick back stuff. I wouldn't doubt it since many things in South American business are about kick backs. It really doesn't matter to me because nothing will prevent me from having a good time in Rio. Like I said...I don't advise using a guide but you're right. I've seen some of those guys in those tours and some of them can be mutants. One trip a few months ago a group of them were sitting at a table and my friends and I were sitting at another table and we were making fun of them because they were so obnoxious, drunk and making fools out of themselves.

Still...if you can't score a good time in Rio on your own and find tons of hotties than something is wrong with you.

Catire

08-26-03, 23:43

Guys, I first went to Rio based on stuff on I read on the OLD OLD OLD ************* run by ATTA. Remember that?

I didn´t know a lick of any fucking language, whether it be Portuguese or even some Spanish and I managed to do JUST fucking fine.

I even managed to stumble into Monte Carlo when it JUST opened. I was one of the FEW customers in the place, much less the ONLY foreigner.

What gets me up in a lather about this subject isn´t necessarily a "guide". I would use a guide.
but..

it would NOT be a fucking expat. It would be a local. And... It would be in a place on which there was little information.

Rio is probably the MOST written about and described sex tourism place on the planet, with the possible exception of Bangkok.

Furthermore.. the scene is limited to:

1) Help, and outside of Help
2) Boites in Lido area
3) termas (Monte Carlo, Luomo, Centaurus, 4x4, Solarium, 65, Aeropuerto -- did I miss any? )
4) bars on atlantica like mabs, meia pataca, etc

later you can check out Vila Mimosa and Praca Maua if you must.

and that´s pretty much it..

oh yeah..... there are also agencies.... and girls you can pick up on the street in certain parts of town.. but you will need a Portuguese and possibly a car.

One could spend months in Rio just going over the first 4 on the list.. places that DOZENS of places on the WEb describe and talk about.

and you would find fresh snatch and not get bored.

The idea of being so fucking incredibly stupid as to pay some fucking leech 200 dollars a day to "hold your hand" is incredibly galling.

This info is all for everyone to see, download, copy, what have you.....

The concept that the SAME info and message boards that are used to PROVIDE this info in the same place are ALSO now used to promote the fucking services of these losers....

well...... every time I think about it.. i get those electrical short circuit noises in my head and the light flickers..

It just doesn´t MAKE SENSE

does it??

we´re not talking about scouting for puss in Damascus, or Baghdad. If someone has a guide for that... I just MIGHT be interested.

Cutting Edge

08-27-03, 02:03

Well said Catire, so I guess you've also checked out Florida/Scandinavia boites!!

The other thing is that this guy who calls himself a guide actually knows jack shit about Rio. I know guys who've spoken with him in the termas, the guy is just a leech with lots of questions about where's good, whats new etc. He does no adventuring himself, just leeches off the pioneers than trashes said joints by packing in hoards of simpletons. Brasilian women are pretty aggressive,and if you act like a nerd, they'll treat you like one.

The other thing that people find obnoxious about this guy is his stupid 'hey look I'm a high roller bad breath cigars'. They stink out any termas due to the air being recirculated.

If you need to get to 4x4 and unsure, just take a taxi. During the day on the meter it should be less than R$20 from Copacabana. If you are worried about being ripped off, just agree a set price of R$20 or at most R$25.

You can always find cabs outside 4x4, infact you'll be hassled by them just after you pass the front door.

One last thing, if you're on the meter and going from Centro/Lapa to Copa, ask for the driver to go via Catete as its cheaper.

CE

Hooky

08-27-03, 03:09

There is another down side to the guides as well.

A friend of mine used this guy, just as a backup resource. (He could easily do it on his own, but he could also easily afford it.) Met a girl he liked and stuck with her most of his trip. He asked Don some advice on the girl, and included some personal details, which he said were confidential. So imagine his surprise when he was confronted by this angry girl demanding to know why he was bragging to people about their intimacies. He just hadn't realize he was paying to get stabbed in the back. It was an attempt, motivated by jealousy and control issues, to throw a wrench into their warm relationship.

Something else. When my friend was spending time with her, Don called her demanding she come over to "see" him. She refused and he tried to insist. She basically told him to f*** off. He was trying to demand that of her, since my friend was also his customer.

Since then I have heard other stories of girls being blacklisted by these guys if they wouldn't comply with their demands.

There is more, but maybe that is enough for now.

Did you guys know about this stuff going on?

So sure, whoever wants to use a guide, it is their money, whether it is really necessary or not. But another question might be, do you want to take business to a guy who is going to try to manipulate every situation to his benefit even if it burns you?

Do you want to patronize a guy that is running this type of control scam on the girls?

Do you want someone trying to meddle in between your dealings/relations with the girls?

Whatever you want to do is OK, but I think it is worthwhile to be informed.

Does anybody besides me find this behavior detestable?

Hooky

08-27-03, 07:24

Yes,

but these Brazilian men are Americans.

Ponce de Leon

08-27-03, 15:54

You can all talk about this stuff till you're blue in the face but it doesn't change things. Guides/touts/etc. have been around for a long time and they will probably be around in the future. As long as there are guys that are willing to pay them they will be around.

The fact of the matter is that prostitution or anything associated with it can be a seedy business. Sure we might be nice guys, treat the girls nice and whatever but some of us will never see the ugly side of the business. These girls have to put up with a lot of crap.

I'd NEVER use a guide in a city such as Rio. It is the most publicized city on the internet. Probably more information on it then most cities out there. I've met the guide you are all talking about. Frankly I can't see what guys are paying for. The guy is drunk probably half the day. The thing about him is that he is so into being himself. When he introduced himself he did it in a way that made it seem like all should worship him. I find this annoying in any person that I meet. The other thing is in his drunken stuper he kept bragging about how he demanded kickbacks from some places that he brought people to. He'll also badmouth restaurants and places that are great if he doesn't like them. It's one thing to have a service and charge clients. It's another to try to hustle kick backs from places you are frequenting.

Now everytime I go to Rio I stay clear of that bunch. Even if guys I know are with guides or that group. I've also heard some stories like Hooky told of. Sooner of later in Rio if you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the wrong person or continue to do things that are questionable it could come back to haunt you and I don't want to be around a person like this when it does. Stay safe all.

Catire

08-27-03, 16:50

Cutting Edge, there is at least one interesting boite right down the street from Praca Maua though not in the Placa proper.
It´s not clearly marked and or evident, but it´s there. the Place is kind of seedy but it´s an interesting diversion from the usual stuff, and not nearly as nasty as Vila Mimosa.

I´ve actually taken the metro to 4x4 in the late afternoon. NO problems at all.

I wanted to ask you and Saint about something but would prefer to do it in private rather than clutter up this forum.

flash me an e'mail address if you can. Otherwise, you guys can e'mail me at catirebienbueno@aol.com

peace

On The Road

08-27-03, 18:22

Rio extract from my fuul report, in the General info board (http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=555).

Place: Rio de Janeiro (RJ)
Pousada: Tempourada na praia Copacabana
Address: Edificio Av. Atlantica, n. 3196 - Rio de Janeiro (RJ)
Phone: (0xx21) 2255.0493
Girl friendly? Yes, keep document and call you back when the girl is leaving. Very safe.
Price: From r$60 (double, AC, cook, frigo) fo r$90 ("frente de Praia")
Comments: This Pousada is no more than 100m from the Help disco. Very safe place, very safe environment. But I think Rio is generally safe... I walked alone day and night everywhere around Rio, even in some remote favelas, without any problem, if you don't look like a japanese stile tourist with your camera on your neck...
Day 1: Thursday. Went to the famous Help disco. Entrance was r$15 before midnight, and r$25 after. As any other disco, you'll need some basic approaching skills, and you need to act quickly, if you spot some stunners you like, 'cos best ones seems to pair up very quickly. I met Elaine, true name was ********, 21 y.o. Mora, a true 7, a personal 8. It was 1.30am, she asked me r$200 'till 5.00am in the morning, r$150 'till 3.30 am. I settled r$150 'till 4.00am. It was a good experience, in terms of GFE and sex, not as good as Kelly in Maceio, or as Vera later on in Rio, but a true good experience.
Day 2: Friday. Went to L'uomo termas, what an unusual experience, for me, being naked with just a white towel being surrounded by wanderful girls going around and kissing and touching your dick! Entrance was r$50, dropped down to r$30 if you choose a girl. standar 40 min was r$140. I went there with Barra, or something like that (I wasn't able to understand her name), a very beautiful loira. I had good sex, good GFE.
Day 3: Saturday. Went to the help again, same spot as ever. At the end of the night, I mean 5am, a morena girl, rated 6, offered herself to me for just r$50. It was a good experience.
Day 4: It was my last night in Brasil, and I went to Help again. I spotted a very very beautiful loirinha, she said her name was Vera, but her true name was ********. She was a real semi-pro, dressed as a normal girl, lonely, not dancing alone. Had good moments with her in help, had very wanderful moments with her in bed. Kelly from Maceiò was a little bit better, in terms of GFE (well, I can't forget her), but Vera was a real great experience. It was my last night, so I decided not to negotiate her r$300 request, she worth every real!

Bandy

08-27-03, 19:40

ItalyOnTheRoad,

Just a suggestion. Try not to divulge their "real name" in a public board. There is a reason, they use "Artist" names in the club. Once they trust you with their real names, and other sensitive personal information, like date of Birth etc,, IMHO, these should not be made public.

Bandy

HeadGames

08-27-03, 20:15

Regarding guides, I would like to suggest if you want one contact Kenn, when I rented an apartment from him, I used a couple of his guys as drivers/guides, and they were very nice and helpful, and spoke English almost as well as I do. Nothing seedy about them.

Brasil

08-28-03, 01:40

My problem with grshel1s report is that he overstates Don’s help so much that it’s not believable.

“Four by Four is huge. I am glad Don was there to show us the place. A man could get lost in there.

The new VIP bar opened at 4X4 is a fantastic place to get away from the crowd and noise. Again, thanks to Don, we knew about the VIP bar.”

These are just shameless plugs. One can debate the value of hiring Don or any guide for an entire trip, but comments like this are deceptive. Listening to grshel1, a newbie might think you really couldn’t find your way around 4x4 without Don, but anybody with a brain can walk 50 feet down a hallway and find the 2nd bar. Give me a break. Are there really people who can’t walk through a club by themselves? If so, you don’t need to go to Rio, you need psychiatric help.

This is why I hate guides. They get guys to try to give free advertising in the trip reports at the expense of giving useful information. I know everybody’s got to make a living, but to suggest that someone should pay Don to walk through 4x4 is the most idiotic thing I’ve heard in a long time. Hey, why walk by yourself when you can walk beside Don and pay him $200? Just be sure to thank him for letting you do it.

God help us.

On The Road

08-28-03, 01:44

Ok, Bandy... edited the real names. I had great time with both, "Elaine" and "Vera" as well, and I don't want to cause them any problem.
But I can't understand how, in a city with I think 10.000.000 of people living there, you can recognize a girl just for her first name...

Grshel1

08-28-03, 14:35

Mercy, I stirred up a temptest in a teapot using a guide...or vacation enhancement associate. Let me say I have mongered on every continent except Africa and Anartica. Having someone around that knows the people and ways is wonderful. As far as charging for services rendered...profit is not a four letter word. I still feel it has been a good investment with ample returns.

Now on with an added report.

RIO – Day 6 and 7

Day six was slow for me so I am making this a two-day report. On day six a relapse of the revenge slowed me down. I did go to 4X4 but only used the sauna, steam, and relax room. Well, I did check the eye candy. Just did not feel up to taking one to a cabin. I headed back to the apartment and took a long nap before a late dinner.
At the Terraco Atlantico outside Help I did find an interesting young lady, blonde, short, cute dimples when smiling. She and her friends joined us at our table. Soon the subject of fees came up. I offered 150 rials and she wanted 300. I immediately lost interest even though she countered with 250 for two hours. I left and headed back for a good nights sleep.
Yesterday I felt fantastic. Nothing like a day of rest to recharge your batteries. I did get pissed when the famous “shit flicker” got me only a few yards from Alcazar. Folks, it’s the real McCoy, shit stinks. I gave the shoe shiner the universal signal…forearm extended and slapping the bicep…. he got the message. Cleaned my own shoe in the restroom at Alcazar while muttering enough profanity to doom me to an eternity in purgatory.
Quite a gang of hombres was gathered at Alcazar. I think the count was 12. We discussed various termas and the decision was L´Lumo. Three of us headed to 4X4 to avoid the crowd. Alas, most of the gang showed up there in short order. Thankfully, 4X4 is large enough to swallow any number of hombres showing up at three in the afternoon.
I had a hard time getting rid of a rather aggressive blonde with the biggest butt in the house. A short trip to the VIP bar and she got the message. Returning to the main boite I was discovered by Sula. The mongering gods were looking down upon me with great favor. To make a long session short…DFK, BBBJ (for at least ten minutes), 69, multiple position and satisfaction with complete service. I do enjoy the three holers.
A late supper with the birthday men, Don and his cousin Mike both have birthdays Thursday. Rhonda joined us at a very nice restaurant a block behind Don Camilo´s. Wonderful meal except that Rhonda´s filet came out looking like charred remains of the great Chicago fire. She did not send it back…I certainly would have. Mine filet was perfect in herb butter and with rosti. There was so much meat I ended up giving about half to Rhonda. The dessert was fantastic also. I will be looking like a butterball when I return if I don’t quite eating so much.
A stop at Terraco Atlantico was uneventful with limited prospects for a late night tryst. I decided to head to the bedroom alone for another good night of sleep.

LIFE IS WONDERFUL

Almotu

08-28-03, 20:36

Grshel1,

I am fairly a newbie to Rio & Brazil in general. My first trip was in 2001 and I went with a buddy of mine who had been to both Sao Paulo & Rio before. My subsequent trips have all been by myself and I had no problems whatsoever getting to the various termas & other hook-up places. Now back to your report:

What & where is this place, Alcazar?

This Don charged you USD$200 to go to places like 4x4 and HELP? Is this for the entire time you were there in Rio (7 days+) or is this per day? Did each of 'the hombres' pay this rate individually?

Did he take you to a different place each day? From your report it seems that you kept on revisiting the same places, so if he showed you 'the ropes' that first night but kept on charging you for his company each subsequent night - I think that's a complete RIP-OFF.

On your next trip, you wont have to use Don again, correct?

At each establishment, did you get better/VIP service because of this Don? Free drinks, discount pussy, et al?

Catire

08-28-03, 21:38

is there any way to get the "Hombres" back to their Mexican border towns, where they thought Adelita´s and Chicago were UTOPIA and NIRVANA combined?

were they paying for vacation enhancement associates in Tijuana?

seems the overwhelming majority of Don´t customers are "Hombres".

Is this like a codename for the socially inept?
does the webmaster of that site have some kind of deal with these "guides"?

btw.. I am feeling a bowel movement.

I know I could expel the stuff myself but I´d just feel much better if Don at least held my hand while I "pushed".

does anyone know of a good bowel movement enhancement associate?

at a good price?

P.S. This just in.

I have learned that "Hombres" are also becoming customers of some chat site, set up by one of Don´s American "I also can´t get a job" dufi...

so he has set up a chat room/site where "Hombres" can "chat" with their Copacabana hookers to exchange their vows of love and I miss you so much

at some preposterous price of course. (that the American idiots, read HOMBRES pay)

What was it that WC Fields said??

"having someone around that "knows the people and their ways"?

dude... you need like a SERIOUS wake up call.

Get a fucking Brazilian friend. a REAL one.

not someone who is in cahoots with everyone else taking money out of your pocket.

GEEEEEzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Al Kikuras

08-29-03, 02:52

I'm planning a trip for November and will probably travelling solo. Anyone gonna be in Rio in November? How is the selection of garotas in Nov. compared to other times of the year?

I've been to Help before but never the termas so I know I have a lot to see this trip!

RxHammer

08-29-03, 11:38

Al Kiruras,

What week will you be in Rio? Let me know cause I will be going either the week of the 10th or the 24th. If this overlaps with your trip let me know and we can hit the town together. I have been to Rio many times and have learned the ups and downs so to speak.

Also, I will be in Rio the week of Sept 15th....if anyone has plans to be in Rio that week drop me a line...

PS The selection of women should be great as the holiday crowds have not arrived. Plus the beach will be crowded with thong wearing beauties !!

Kenn

08-29-03, 13:44

Some people will never learn no matter how many times they have been warned. I just spoke with a guy that got burned badly by the girl he thought he would be marrying in a few months. Here’s what he told me…
It seems they were engaged and he decided to buy a nice 2 bedroom condo here in Rio for them to live in part of the year. He wanted them to be able to live here in Rio for a few months a year and the rest of the time they would live in the States. He did not really like the condo that she wanted but agreed to buy it because it was not too far from her mother and a few of her aunts. So he went ahead and bought it. He got his CPF number and hired a lawyer to help with the transaction. He put it in his name alone and was going to add his girlfriend after they were married. Sounds Ok right…..
Well he still got burned. It seems he was being setup right from the start. The condo his girlfriend wanted did not really belong to the lady he bought it from. It belonged to someone else. The lady he bought the condo from turned out to be his girlfriends “AUNT”…. The condo actually belonged to another “AUNT” of his girlfriends…. They do not have any title insurance here in Rio so he was relying on his lawyer to make sure all was in order….. I have been told it’s very difficult to find a good lawyer here in Rio…. Now I see why…. I did not ask him if his girlfriend found the lawyer for them but it would not surprise me if she did… I did not think about that possibly being part of the scam also until I was writing this… If I see him again I’ll ask him…

Well the bottom line is he is now out the $80,000.US in cash he paid for the condo…. He is too embarrassed to tell his family back in the States because he borrowed some of the money from his family and he does not want to tell them he lost it…….
I can’t tell you how many times I have heard stories like this one here in Rio. It seems like I hear about someone getting ripped off or having his heart broken weekly. Or maybe it’s the same poor bastard getting his heart broken… and losing his money….

It’s really a sad state that the average American male it so starved for affection back in the States that they will fall for this bullshit…. These people are not stupid and can find many ways to separate you from your cash and not necessarily with force. Some hand it over with a smile..
I did not want to ask him but I am wondering now as I write this, if he was more upset about the losing the money or being conned by the women he thought loved him….

HeadGames

08-29-03, 16:55

Great story Kenn. Interesting point about title insurance.

Even in Rio, there must be some recourse against crooked lawyers. I hope this guy at least tries to do something to get his money back.

Of course the big mistake this guy made was, he shouldn't have bought ANYTHING until he was married. I suppose the girl could maybe go through the marriage and then try the same scam, but would she have done that or just moved on to the next mark?

Doc Bill

08-29-03, 21:02

Thanks, Kenn, for the heads up! I don't fully understand, though, didn't you say he bought it in his own name? So isn't the property still his? Or are you saying it was just a total scam, there is no property, and they took the poor guy's money?

I will be in Rio next week, 9/4-11, then again 9/26-10/1. If anyone wants to hook up let me know!

City Angel

08-29-03, 22:17

Was previously planning a trip to Russia and the Ukraine in October. Whilst doing a bit of research for the trip, I stumbled upon this website. After spending hours reading through all the sections on this board, I decided that Rio may make a better destination for this trip.

Although I have considerable experience punting throughout the UK, this will be my first trip abroad for the sole purpose of womanising. The information I have been able to draw from this board has been absolutely phenomenal. Have got a couple of questions for some of the guys who are familiar with the Rio scene.

How many of the girls in Help would be prepared to let an all nighter last until noon the following day? and how much am I likely to have to pay a typical Help girl for this?

Are there many northern European looking girls available in Rio? and how much extra am I going to have to pay for them on those nights when I feel a bit of variety is needed?

Will be in Rio between Monday 13th October and Thursday 23rd October. If anyone would like to meet up to visit any bars or thermas, drop me an email at cityangelplayer@hotmail.com.

Rabo Verde

08-30-03, 05:37

Allow me to make a plug for Ken at
http://www.ez-riorentals.com

He is an American Vietnam Vet living in Rio who set us up with a beautiful 2 bedroom 2 bath apartment 3 blocks from Help and Copacabana beach, nice and clean with Doorman, A/C, kitchen, and maid service, for $70/night. He has access to several apartments. We liked this better than any hotel. ADVANTAGE: NO PROBLEMS TAKING GUESTS INSIDE!

Kenn

08-30-03, 14:12

Hi Doc, if you give me a call at 9447-9981 when you get here. I'm usually good for at least the first beer.......

Now as for the apt. ... The lady that sold the apt. to him and got the money, was not the legal owner.. The lawyer did not discover that and the money is gone.... and so is his girlfriend.....

Paolino

08-30-03, 16:54

Does someone know when the university makes a break?
i read somewhere that during this dead school period many college girls go towards Copacabana to earn some money to pay their school and stuff....

is that true? how's the action in Rio during month of january?

Catire

08-30-03, 21:55

Almotu I will chime in on some of your Q`s if you don`t mind.

Alcazar is right by the Hooker beach area, on Avenida Atlantica (main road by the beach) not too far away. (though I have never personally been there and won`t be going anytime soon)

far as I know, yes each one of the HOMBRES paid this individaully then they got led around like sheep

Since the meaning of the word in Spanish has a DEFINITE macho, man´s man meaning... imagine a bunch of "Mens`Men" walking around like sheep led by some cigar smoking expat.

I`d like to translate the stories of the Hombres for Latin American male consumption.

I think, at the very least... to be consistent...
the name of their club should be renamed

Club Puto
Club Gafo
Club Bruto
Club Tonto

just for consistencys`sake

yes., they all go to the same places.. but without DON they would have never walked around 4x4 and found a new room!

after all, it`s a BIG place.

It`s good Don`s around to hold HOmbres hands when they cross Avenida Atlantica.

It is a BIG street!

Scary!

the idea that you would be getting better service from a girl because of some pimp/guide is completely prepesterous. You should know better. The interaction with the girl is higly personal. If ANYTHING, being led around by a Don makes the girl think you are a clueless idiot.

prices are same, never LOWER, perhaps even higher (because any idiot that willingly pays Don these prices will willingly pay higher prices for other things). Sure, there might be free drrinks once so a guy like Don can build the illusion.

the guy that gets VIP service, kickbacks, from the establishments etc etc is DON --

makes sense, correct?

Al Kikuras

08-31-03, 07:08

RxHammer -- Thanks for replying. I'm planning to visit Rio the last week in November. I'll post again in Nov. when plans are definite. In the meantime I'll be taking notes on the latest postings. A million thanks to everyone for contributing.

Doggus

08-31-03, 09:43

City Angel,

The girl's willingness to stay generally depends on how much she likes you (physically and personally). If you hit it off with a girl then she may be happy to stay with you. If for example, she considers the guy to be a huge annoying sweating mound of blubber then chances are she'll exit swiftly. She may also have family commitments which may also increase the chances of an early exit.

As for price, you may have noted considerable debate on this topic in the past. Generally, it depends on how much you as an individual are prepared to pay. I personally wont pay over R200 and if a girl wont play ball then I'll move onto another one.

You wont find too many northern eurpean looking birds there, although there are a quite few peroxide blondes. However if its variety you want then you've still found the right place. You will generally find the real stunners asking for more cash though.

Doggus

Grshel1

08-31-03, 14:35

RIO – Day 9 and 10

Another day filled with liquid sunshine but it is wintertime here. Spent a lazy day and finally went out for a wonderful duck dinner at Terraco Altantico. Great duck with baked apples and mashed potatoes. It was a nice surprise to have great duck there.
I hung around checking out the local talent lining up for Help and for prospects. They come in all sizes, ages, and descriptions. Being somewhat disappointed at the quality of the ladies outside, I decided to plunge into that world famous den of inequity. Waiting in line to pay my 15 reals…it was before midnight…I was already in love with the lady standing behind me…. and her friend was nice looking too.
Inside I quickly realized the fifteen real investment was well spent. I toured the room, discovered the method for buying a beer and spied the two cuties that came in behind me. They had to wait in a second long line to check their purses. As the taller one walked by I casually said, ¨You are beautiful. ¨
She stopped and said in perfect English, ¨Thank you.¨
Now this lady is about five seven, green eyes and flaming red hair down to the small of her back. I bought both ladies a drink and quickly decided this was a done deal…the redhead that is. We talked, we danced, we drank…. Ah the hint of a chase.
For 200 reals she spent the night in my bed. The sex was fantastic. A true GFE if there is such a thing. Lots of foreplay, DFK, groping and grappling, touching here stroking there. She did enjoy the delights of Escalate during DATY. The pocket rocket was a super hit. The sex was wonderful. I can see a repeat here.
She did not overstay her welcome the next morning and we discussed dinner one evening of the weekend. She allowed that her friend had a baby and it was birthday party early Saturday night. If it was over early she wanted to go out Saturday night…otherwise Sunday. Now the fifty-fifty question…. will she be a show or a no-show? Time and a future report will tell.

Day 10 was almost a repeat of day nine, only the names of the women changed. Alas, the fifty-fifty question from Friday night was answered with a no. She did call and explain about a birthday party. Perhaps it is true. I will pursue it one more time. A second excuse and the phone number is gone.
Another trip inside Help and another wonderful evening of watching the lovely ladies parade their wares. You could tell it was the end of the month and rent is due soon. Even at the terrace restaurant the women were more aggressive than previous evenings. Inside Help was no different. Many of the women were anxiously looking for a man and some of his money. I selected another little lady with an ample rack. Alas, her performance in the sack failed to meet the high standards from the redhead of day nine. Now don´t get me wrong, she was good, but just not as good as the previous escapade. ]

Looking forward to the forecasted good weather for the week. The liquid version of sunshine is getting old. I do want to get some beach time, beach pictures, and do the tourist excursions to the famous mountain tops surrounding Rio.

LIFE IS GREAT

Brasil

08-31-03, 16:43

Almotu,

I only talked with Don one time. He seems like an ok guy I guess, but I hear the cost of his service is like $250 a week. I would never use him or any other guide.

Listen to Catire he is right. Don is going to take you to the same termas talked about here so what is the possible upside to you. There are only five or six main termas and anybody can find them, so why pay Don?

Gshell1 your last 2 reports are interesting. Other than eating dinner and going to four by four you don't mention Don. You went to Help twice. How did paying Don help you these two days? Please do not say he showed you where the bathroom was in the restaurant or something lame like that.

I noticed you decided not to go to Luomo because 10 guys were heading there and you went to quatro instead. It is interesting you do not comment on the negative side of this. I would never go to a terma with 10 new guys. This time you did not want to either and went to quatro to avoid the crowd of your own paid guide. This DESPITE the fact you argued earlier that you thought large groups of guys were good and got the girls moving. What changed your mind?

Gshell1, you and anybody else can pay whatever you want for a guide. The issue is that is Don worth $250 to the average guy going to Rio. From what you have posted so far, Don has taken you to 2 termas, franks, alcazar, and a few restaurants. I think that if you were honest, you would admit you could have found 4x4 and Luomo by yourself and that Don contributed nothing to your trip. I would say that if a guy went by himself and looked up the other termas himself, he would get to to see a half dozen other termas he would never see with his paid guide. So where is the value in paying him? I don't see it.

King of Rio

08-31-03, 17:21

City Angel,

Just go to the terma called "Centaurus". A lot of the girls in there have the European look.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Catire

09-01-03, 23:34

Centaurus is one of the biggest foreigner, especially gringo "clip joints" in town.

Far more expensive than other termas.. wonder why that is?

What really jerks my chain is that as a gringo/foreigner you will be paying MORE than a Brazilian guy who walks in with you.

Probably up to 20% more.

Try it!

Fuck them and fuck their stupid pricing policies. Like there is a shortage of girls and termas in Rio!

Starfe

09-02-03, 03:56

Catire,

Gee whiz and I thought I was getting a deal at Centaurus. What do you care what I spend and how I spend it? I like the rooms better there and I like the service. You can stick to other shit holes.

I will continue to pay up in price to get the better quality any day.

I was at Cafe Photo and Club W last Thursday night. Now that's a rippoff. Does Bomboa get your seal of approval or is that to high also, for us stupid gringos?

Starfe

Sal Dali

09-02-03, 05:51

I'm not interested in being part of a flame war, but I have to admit that Catire makes some pretty great points. Of course you're welcome to give your hard earned money to anyone you'd like.

Don, a beautiful garota, or a boneca, it's entirely up to you. However, this is a city where EVERYTHING is really readily available and part of the jazz in this for some of us is found in exploring the place without having our hand held. Some of us learn the language, some don't. Some risk several blocks behind NS de Copacabana at night, while others still close to HELP and never stray.

So, give Catire his due. He's just voicing an opinion that 250 dollars spent on garotas buys you more than 250 spent on a guide. You might disagree, but I wonder what would happen if you gave his approach a whirl on your next trip.

Either way, peace and enjoy the life!

S

Catire

09-02-03, 17:20

Starfe, Sao Paulo is by its very nature, pricey. Kind of comes with the territory.

I don´t really care either what you want to pay at the Centaurus if it strikes your fancy.

I just want to know why I, as a foreigner am supposed to pay 40 to 50 reals MORE than any Brazilian walking in.

Am I supposed to automatically accept my "idiot" label meekly?

Starfe

09-02-03, 18:53

Catire,

Would I prefer to pay the lower end prices all the time " yes ".

I was out of line with my comment. I always average about a $100 u.s a girl no matter where I go in South America.

Photo and Club W caught me by surprise this time. I have leaned from this board to set the price early at the more expensive clubs.

I am heavy into escorts visits when in B.A. and Sao Paulo. Since I speak only english and I let the hotel make my appt's I always tell them $100 per visit . I can not have the hotel calling back and forth with price changes. I hate when a girl does not show up so I pay a little extra.

Do I pay more then the next guy, yes. Maybe $20 a girl which could work out to $400 a trip the way I see it.

Regards,

Starfe

Bandy

09-02-03, 21:39

Originally posted by Catire
Starfe, Sao Paulo is by its very nature, pricey..........I just want to know why I, as a foreigner am supposed to pay 40 to 50 reals MORE than any Brazilian walking in.
Am I supposed to automatically accept my "idiot" label meekly?

Catire,

I am not sure how much you are familiar with the massage parlor scenes in Thailand. Almost all of them have a two tier price systems---one for the locals and other one for the Falangs (meaning foreigners). Some massage parlors like Poseidon will charge 1500 Bhat (about $35) extra for foreigners. People know about it, accept it and play the game according to house rules. You are not perceived as an "Idiot", when there is clearly a two tier price systems and you can't really do anything about it except not to partake in the fun.

Bandy

PS: You probably will go nuts when you see the entrance fee for Grand Palace, a must see attraction in Thailand. Price for Thai's is either free or 20 Bhat whereas for foreigners is 200 Bhat. I still don't understand this price system. And everything is written in Thai so that you will never realize the discriminated price structure.

Grshel1

09-02-03, 22:11

The question seems to be, ¨What have I gotten for my money using Don as a Rio guide...or vacation enhancement associate?¨

1. A car and driver at the airport to get me directly to the apartment. Return is included at the end of my stay.
2. Introduction to Copa and Centro area.
3. Introduction to numerous fellow mongers currently in the area.
4. Translation services numerous times at late and very early times.
5. Providing a comfort zone in dealing with the locals.
6. Retrieving cell phone lost in a taxi... quite a feat IMHO.
7. Acted as a group facilitator for a widely varied bunch of first time Rio visitors.

Now some of the things Don has not done.
1. Lead me by the hand anywhere.
2. Held my hand while performing any bodily functions.
3. Provided more than advice and translation services.
4. Insisted upon doing this or that at any given time.

I feel I have gotten more than my moneys worth using his services. If I was paying Roxanna her normal fee for translation services my expenses would be more than for Don´s services.

I would not use Don on a second trip to Rio. I will use Roxanna on future trips to BA.

Hopefully, that gives some insight to my views on what a Rio guide is to me. I am a somewhat independent person, but not a fool ready to charge into in the unknown. Given the comfort zone I now have, all my current needs totally involve translation services and transportation arrangements.

Catire

09-02-03, 23:56

Bandy, I am very aware of Thailand´s dual price structure. It`s not a very precise and good example and comparison.

The termas are not govt owned and Centaurus is the ONLY Rio terma that I know of that has thing dual price structure, which begs the question.

Just who and what is Centaurus that makes it so "special"?

I will repeat the question again.

Just who and what is Centaurus that makes it so "special"? that it can think it can get away with it?

I find Solarium more pleasing personally, prefer the atmosphere, it`s cheaper overall AND there is no DUAL pricing for locals/foreigners.

It takes a considerable amount of CHUTZPAH for an individual business to institute such blatant schemes. The Thai govt (and the Cuban one for that matter don`t give a fuck but they are govts)

Also, bad business sense.

A guy I know who speaks decent Portuguese went in there and ripped them a new one about this. Upon seeing the guy actually had a clue and could speak the language, they immediately gave him the brazilian rate!

Ripping off foreigners is an art practiced worlwide. Thailand just happens to be one of the most transparent at it.

In Latin America, such scamming is almost never so blunt and obvious. Listed prices apply to EVERYONE.

Where the gringo gets screwed is in the fine art of everyday haggling, in market, with taxis, etc etc which are such an integral part of daily latin life, and the gringo either doesn`t know the language or dollarizes his prices and figures "this is cheap anyways" or both.

Catire

09-02-03, 23:59

grshel

yes, you are correct. Rio is very "unknown".

Just look at the how little info and reports there are on it as opposed to say, Antartica.

I think we should eliminate these forums anyways and stick to the Dons and Roxanas (whoever she is) of the world.

I mean, travel isn`t supposed to be about the adventure!!!

It`s about COMFORT and comfort zones!

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Hi Catire,

Roxana is my personal friend. Need I say more?

Jackson

Judd

09-03-03, 00:37

Grshel,

Just wanted to let you know I appreciate your past reports. I usually keep my comments limited but this thread really frustrates me. It seems dudes here are so quick to pass judgment on others and jump on the flame bandwagon. It would be cool if people could agree to disagree and move on to the next topic. It’s too bad your reports seem to be under the microscope because you referenced a guide a couple of times.

Anyways, Grshel you shouldn’t have to justify your investment in a guide. As long as you are happy with the service you received, then that’s all that really matters.

Take Care,

Judd

Jack Tripper

09-03-03, 07:43

RE: Centaurus.

Having researched the Rio scene on this and other sites before my first trip a couple of years ago, I knew about Centaurus's reputation as either being the best or the most overrated terma. Those that love it always claim they have the best women and service there and those who hate it complain about their annoying policies which includes the aforementioned higher gringo entrance tax, the non-refundable pay-up-front fee, the girl assigned to you routine, and the fact you pay more here than anywhere else. For me the bad outweighed the good and I skipped this place.

On my second trip last year, I decided to see what all the fuss was about. So far as being the terma with the most beautiful women, I cannot agree with that. Although I haven't been to Aeroporto or Rio Antigo, I have been lucky enough to go to L'Uomo, Solarium, 4X4, 65, and Monte Carlo and the way I see it, when it comes to the girls, they all pretty much are comparable when it comes to the choices you have (although it did feel like 4X4 did have more girls than the other termas). Every place, including Centaurus, had a range of girls that went from stunning to quite average. Also, I saw a girl at Centaurus that I had met on my first trip when she worked at another terma, so the women rotate from place to place.

As far as the service in the room, yes it was a damn good time, but then again I've had just a great a time elsewhere and for less. (My worst time was at Monte Carlo, but that's another story.)

Perhaps what Centaurus does have going for it is its location in Ipanema. The facilities are probably above average (it felt like a Bob Gucionne Penthouse vibe to me) but I must say I don't go to termas to marvel at the architecture. But if you really must know, I prefer L'uomo's more simplified and a bit-futuristic set-up (it vaguely reminds me of A Clockwork Orange, at least that's the way I see it... after three caipirinhas).

Anyways, where Centaurus really loses points is at the front desk. Now I only went once, but Centaurus was the only terma that I've been to that had male receptionists. Maybe this was the case because the place had just opened up for the day like a half hour earlier and the real receptionists hadn't showed up yet (?), but whatever the case, I prefer the female receptionists.

To begin with, the two muscleheads at the front acted pretty arrogant. I don't recall the specifics of our conversation, but I do remember feeling that they were mocking my friend and I when they would speak Portuguese to each other. And they definitely thought it was funny that we had to pay more as foreigners. And they really didn't explain the pricing of everything that well. But there really wasn't time to figure out exactly what was up with those two jerks because the next sudden step was figuring out how to ditch the girls that were picked for us to show us around (which included them going into the locker room and hanging up my clothes and helping me into a robe). Fortunately, after sitting down with them in the bar it then only took like 15 minutes to get rid of them and find someone else.

But, like I said, the session was good. On the way out, the receptionists dudes were still acting weird.

My overall impression is that Centaurus more or less serves the same purpose that the Manhattan gentlemen's club Scores does. They both have reps for having the most beautiful women and charging the most for the finest quality service. What detractors always say (and I agree) is that this is all hype. What really is the key is that most customers who frequent these places love to buy into the notion that they are getting "the best" for their money. These are dudes who get off on spending big bucks. It gives them a rush to throw cash around, especially in front of women. They like spending more than the next man.

For others, they prefer to go to places that in their minds are "classy" and be around clientele that's like themselves. In other words, they want to feel safe so they go to the more "ritzy" places located in good neighborhoods and hang out with people that think just like them.

Anyways, to each his own.

Doc Bill

09-03-03, 15:49

Ok, I'm outta here! In about one hour I head for the airport and down to Rio for my first trip to South America. Thanks to you all on this board I feel well-prepared. If anyone else will be down there give me a holler at docbill449@mindspring.com. I'll be in Rio 9/4-11, Salvadore 9/11-15, Iguacu 9/15-17, Buenos Aires 9/17-26 and then back to Rio 9/26-10/2. Of course I'll be reporting on my exploits.

And just to add my two cents to the recent debate topic, I go to new and exciting places because I crave adventure. If I wanted to be led around I'd go to a Club Med. If I felt the need for a guide of some sort I'd find a local. If I did my homework and studied this board I wouldn't need anybody holding my hand. Enough said.

Watcher

09-03-03, 19:38

To DocBill449

I will be Arriving in Rio on 9/24. On 9/26 let me know where you want to meet up at. It will be my 1st time in Rio also. I am looking to meet other mongers from the board. Will you be returning back to the states on 10/3?

Please post your reports while in Rio during your 9/4-11 .

Let me know how the Terma action is at: 4x4,and others.

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Ceylon1

09-04-03, 00:45

Hola,

Read all the pages about Rio, Fabuloso informacao! I have been to the Termas that have reviews posted many times on this forum.

Here is a couple of others.

(a) Termas 21. Rua Buenos Aires 21/1 andar. Centro.
Entrada R 20. Cabine 40 minuto, R 100.
Garotas are a few years older, age group 25 to 30. These are the same cuties, we meet in the other Termas a few years ago.

(b) Termas 502. Rua da Alfandega. Centro.
Entrada, minimum consumption R 10.
Garotas, average looks, many mulattas. a few "gems"
Open 4pm to 5pm, a promocao, 2 garotas in a cabine for 40 minuto for R 80.

(c) Termas Copacabana. Ave Copacabana 583/203.
also the apartmento across the hallway.
small open cubicles, open at the top.
Garotas, above average. R 60 for cabine 40 minuto.

(d) a 5 fl building in centro, with 4 floors of garotas & the other floor are suites for rent.
37 Travessa de Ouvidor, this is a "walking street" off Rua de Ouvidor.
The 3rd floor "casa" has the best selection of about 15 garotas in bikini's daily. 30 minuto in cabine, R 30 & R 50 for a suite.
On the 1st & 5th floors, the garotas are topless.

Will be Rio from Outubro 17 to 24.

Carlos aka Ceylon1

Almotu

09-04-03, 06:46

Grshel,

Your reports are detailed & much appreciated. If you remember the girls 'stage' names it would be helpful if you want to share your discoveries. I also agree with Judd, if you enjoyed yourself & felt you got your money's worth then it is no one's business that you used a guide. I think sometimes the members on this board is interested in finding some new & useful info. This is especially hard for the senior members who have seen a lot more than us newbies. Perhaps it would be helpful to edit down your report to the basic essentials. Members (especially the Seniors) dont want to hear about how you got sick or how you got a meal prepared a certain way, etc. Stick to the . . .SEX & I think you wont find yourself in the middle of a flame war.

Now in regards to Centauraus,

I have been there only three times in the past year. For me, it was not near enough to the action to go there a lot. (same with 4x4; Solarium) since I was staying in Copa. The place was very nice, it has the best rooms for a terma. The thing with the girl being assigned to show me around was actually a plus. I am a bit shy by nature so it was good to have a hottie upfront before even going into the bar. Each time I went there I had a stunner to wrap my arms around immediately. I was very lucky. But on 2 occasions, I had no difficulty telling the girl I was assigned that I would like to hook up with someone else. The hostesses were very easygoing & gave me a kiss and recirculated into the crowd. Now as far as the pricing was concerned, I knew that it was more expensive than the other termas but I was not aware of the two tier pricing. I remember it was R$290 upfront for entry & a session (1hr?) with a garota of your choice. I remember it was R$310 if you wanted to pay by credit card. Can anyone tell me what is the price of a local? If you went with a local can you get that price? I speak enough Portuguese to get by with girls. How do they determine the pricing to charge a customer?

I hope these questions arent too stupid but it would be useful for the next trip.

Thanks,
Almotu

Leo

09-04-03, 16:52

To my experience, a component of (if not all) the two tier pricing is getting scammed into paying the taxi commission.

If they see you pull up in a taxi, they pay the driver a commission, and of course that cost is imbedded in your entry.

Have the taxi drop you off around the corner and a block away - then walk the rest. Make sure they take notice that you walked in - no taxi (DON'T LET THE DRIVER HAVE HIS WAY AND DRIVE YOU TO THE DOOR) - that maybe you live in the neighborhood, and that you don't want to pay the extra r$30 (I think that's the difference).

Brasil

09-04-03, 19:11

Almotu,

If you have to ask whether you paid the tourist tax at Centarus then you did.

Leo that is good advice and is usually true but not in Rio. Taxis will get a kickback, but it is not added to your bill. At Centaurus R290 is the tourist rate and you pay up front. I forget the local rate but it is 20 or 30 less I think. Locals also are allowed to pay at the end and they do not have to take a girl and can pay the entrance only. To locals Centarus is like a other termas but it still costs more for them.

Managment at Centarus is terrible. It is bad enough they charge a tourist tax but they have the price listed as tourist tax at the front desk.

I don't go to Centarus much anymore. The last time I did I thought selection was better at other termas so why spend more money to put up with the crap there.

Almotu I would never keep the girl they introduce to you. Just on principle if they want to charge double other termas you should be able to choose your own. You look like a mark to her and she will respect you less. She knows you just paid double up front for her and you picked her before you went to the bar. This tells her you are a tourist who doesn't know the system and you are more likely to get treated like a tourist. I would send the girl away in the locker then walk into the bar alone. Then send the first 5 girls who approach you away. The girls will notice this then pick the one you like best. Your odds of having a great experience go up if you do it this way.

Junior

09-15-03, 20:10

In Rio at the moment. Hocked up with with JWadd for a few days - very cool dude. We had some good times the various termas. Forget about Help it stinks. I have only gone once and the best looking girl wanted us$ 350 for the night - pass. Termas are definetely the way to go.

As for termas my preference is fro Centaurus and L'uomo. 4x4 is also good. The previous posts about Centaurus are quite accurate - annoying front desk staff, tourist prices etc., but i personally found it to have the best girls all in all.

Sex have been very good at all termas.

Drop me an email on junior2000dk@hotmail.com if anyone is interested in hooking up.

Rio Nut

09-15-03, 22:28

Hello I took the time to travel to many places in Brazil and I must say that Rio de Janeiro is the best of them all, both for the number of girls and the quality. I was getting depressed about Rio de Janeiro but I think that many of the best girls come to Rio, so there is no point in leaving somewhere else where you will find may 10-15 girls at a club, and 14 of them very ugly with kids and pot bellies, especially in the Northeastern part of Brazil.

The South is very mercenary type girls, and all business. You will pay a lot and they will just lie there and wait for you to finish. You can find this in Europe or American as well.

I think there is something special about Rio.

JoshJosh69

09-16-03, 22:24

I am looking forward to my 8th trip to Rio in the last 3 years and I am looking to go on Dec 20-Jan 4. I am having the hardest time in getting a plane ticket that I have ever had. Please, I am begging anyone who can point me in the right direction, I have tried all my old sources and now I am just confused as to what to do. Everyone wants $1200 from NYC to Rio. The most I have ever paid is $765. What have some people paid for the ticket for X-Mas and New Years? I know that it's the high season, but I need some help. I just got my financial aid check from school and I need to buy the ticket with the money. Whatever it takes to get there I will do.

Doc Bill

09-17-03, 02:31

I´m going to give more detailed reports soon on my time in Rio, but I quickly wanted to respond about Bobby and Blameitonrio.com. They are the most inconsiderate, flakiest, incompetent people I have ever run across not only in the travel industry but in life in general!

Ceylon1

09-17-03, 17:20

Hola - Como Vai

Here are some Massagens that I intend to visit while in "Cidade Maravilhosa" from Outubro - 17 to 24.

Has anyone been to these fun places?

(1) - BelPrazer Massagem www.belprazer.com

Any one in Rio - knows the address & how to get there?

(2) - Rajah Massage www.rajahsex.hpg.ig.com.br

What is the cost?

(3) - www.ancoradorecreio.com.br

Have fun in RIO!

Obrigardo

Carlos aka Ceylon1

J Wadd

09-17-03, 19:03

Just got through with a 4 day stay in Rio. I was there about 2 years ago for about a week total, and mainly stuck to Help Disco and Barbarella's.

Firstly, I'd like to give a big shout-out to Junior, my Rio amigo for every day and a great guy. It was he who convinced me to try out the termas (Centaurus and L'oumo). They were the highlight of my stay in Rio. Thanks again, Junior (and looking forward to traveling with you again in the future).

O.k., the scene in Rio (IMO) has really dropped off the fucking cliff since the last time I was there. The girls at Help are now totally mercenary. Almost all quote 300R for an hour or two, and bbbj IS VERY RARE. None initially consented to it, and only one agreed to it after a little hedging on my part. I was able to talk her down to 200R after a lot of work.

Most of the girls want more. I don't know what the problem is. There're a lot of gringos who're rolling in and treating the place like some MTV hip-hop hot-tub party. One dude rolled in with a modified LA Dodgers uniform on that read "Los Angeles" across it in big letters. I want to say to him, "I hear you, my friend. You're cool, no doubt. But why do you have to wear the 'Mug me or charge me double' shirt that fucks it up for the rest of us?'" The girls have it too easy there. They'll promise one thing, not do it, try to get the money first, etc. It's a joke.

But (I guess) there is some potential there if you can spot the girls who're just off the bus. But they're not usually the ones you want to tune up. Caveat fucking emptor.

Barbarella'a is no better. Lower the number the girls, add 20-50% to the price, and you've got it. What happened here? Last time I was here it was fun, stocked with all the pretty koi you could eat -- and not that big of a deal. Girls here were really aggressive.

It's too bad. I can now really see how this place is becoming hopelessly gringo-ized. I think it's beyond recall. Now I can understand all the protests at the WTO and IMF meetings across the world. If the gringo dollar in Copacabana is any consideration of what is going on with the rest of the Coke-MacDonald's gringo imperialism, I'M READY TO CLASH WITH THE RIOT POLICE FOR BETTER CARIOCA POONTANG!!

Go to Sao Paulo for a better scene. See my recent report.

Getting off my soap-box now,
JWadd

MoonDog

09-17-03, 19:44

JWadd,

Thanks for the intel. I will be there in November, and it will be fun to take a walk through Help again. I always loved that place.

Thanks again,

Moondog

Rio Nut

09-17-03, 21:08

Yes JWadd that is the only thing that I do not like about Rio de Janeiro. There are so many really stupid American gringos who go down there and overpay and ruin everything. I have seen many Americans wearing sports jerseys in Rio de Janeiro, many with Florida State football jersey, Los Angeles Lakers jerseys, etc walking around like they are on Spring Break, even playing rap music in Copacabana and really ruining the atmosphere! I found this quite disgusting, and the Brazilians found the behavior very obnoxious as well, as they would look over and whisper how ugly Americans acted when abroad. I think Europeans were there too, but not as many and they did not overpay as often I think.

I would not mind some violence to put these people in their place.

The nice thing is that many of the pretty girls do not work in Help because it is considered as very low class place, with lots of ugly tourists and lower class women. But yes, Copacabana is quite bad, just filled with tourists and the type of people who look to overcharge them for everything.

Hodges

09-17-03, 21:38

Hello Guys,

I have been following the forum pages for a couple of months now and think I have a pretty good idea of the situation. I will be travelling around South America soon and will be in Rio in the middle of October for a while. I can probably only visit one or two places due to other commitments and wonder where you guys would go if you only had one night in Rio? Which is your favourite club/girl? I will be travelling north afterwards and therefore don't want to spend too much - US$70 tops. Is it better to go to the termas or the clubs?

If anyone else is in Rio at the same time and fancies meeting up please poste here

Hodges

JoshJosh69

09-18-03, 00:43

In response to the previous post by JWad:

In regards to the Rio scene, it has not gotten better, but it has gotten worse. When I say worse, I mean the prices. There is always good quality to be found and I been there 7 times in the past three years. At first, it was R150, all night long, never ask for another dime (or centavo). I am a student (which translates into: I have no income, yet I consistantly find a way to get down there). This last time, there were many girls asking for R300 in HELP. Last couple of times there would be maybe only one or two that would ask for that, now there are a lot. It's too late to do anything about the increase in price. I tried to warn others in an earlier posting. Now, another warning. Please do not pay any more than R200!. If it get paid and the girls see that they can get it with no problems, no hassles, no risk of losing a date for the night, they'll ask for it with confidence. Please stop at R200.

Now another point. The gringos. Mea Pitaca has fallen apart. The scene there is gringo land and no nice any more. No one eats there because their prices are so outrageous, but the "I'm a gringo!" thing is not so great either. I don't know, sometimes it gets me a little upset, and get this: I can't find a plane ticket for uinder $1100 for New Years there. But, if I have to pay it, I will. I will do it becuase of her, and her, and her, etc. I will do it becuase of that baked chiken color of skin, becuase of her hair (be it blonde, black, brunette). I will do it because of the sex. Because here in New York City, you don't get girls like that so easily. I will do it for the sex. Stop telling people and friends about the story of Rio de Janeiro. The marvellous city. Let's keep it our secret, at least from the other gringos (I am a proud Gringo, but respectful too and realize that I'm not on some resort of Cancun or something. I am in a city in which emotions run high. Passion, rage, murder, poverty, beauty, etc. So shhh! Lets not tell anyone any more. "Oh yeah, Rio's pretty cool. I really like laying on the beach. Some good looking girls. Kind of friendly" our secret.

If anyone has any suggestions as to tickets, please post

Athos

09-18-03, 05:01

One strange thing about boates in Brasil, during low season i.e. smaller crowd, prices go up instead of down.
Barbarella is a complete waste of time and money, ridiculous prices and cover. Many of these girls can be found at Help during the week.
Help is good to meet semi pros at the end of the month and also to pick terma girls after their shift around 1:00 am.

Prosal

09-18-03, 09:18

Jwadd and Athos, agree, i've been two weeks ago in Barbarella and was surprised by the attitudes there : CBJ being the norm, girls asking for overrated prices (300 Rs is the lower i could get) and being very pushy for going ST in the few minutes that follow the beginning of the conversation, drinks overpriced (had a bill at 450 Rs for maybe 10 drinks !) .....

Help was not better ! :(

Junior

09-18-03, 15:20

Just wanted to add a short follow-up to JWadds report.
I much prefer to pay R300 at lúomo or 4x4 for a 1 hour threesome with two very talented girls rather than spending the same amount at a long shot at Help - where if lucky i will get slightly above average sex with one girl for 2 hours.

Doc Bill

09-19-03, 00:16

(this report was delayed due to technical difficulties on the site)

wow! this place is incredible! its day three, the weather is beautiful, the beaches.....ok, never mind that, the women are out of this f******world! i got in thursday morning, a 24 hour trip total from california, got to my hotel feeling so strung out and pooped out, and wouldn´t you know it, two hours later i was at the luomo terma. incredible! i had great sex with
two girls (at different times), stayed about three hours, and it all cost me about 100 us. the great thing is the girls attitudes, looks and level of service. they are also a lot of fun to just hang out with too, even if you do not speak portuguese.

i´ve since been to monte carlo terma also, where i had an incredible double. the girls were very enthusiastic. i liked luomo better, though. i haven´t been to help yet, but tonight is the night. i am guessing that i won´t like it nearly as much as the termas, but i will dutifully report.

i spent some time at meia pataca and cafe atlantica, and there isnt much going on. a lot of hags, except right before help opens at night. a lot of **** too. be careful out there.

people overall are friendly. ave. atlantica is well-lit at night with a
heavy police presence. i feel safe, but im also not being stupid.
more later.

Trippleecks

09-19-03, 00:21

Guys are still thinking with their little heads. Here we let the hookers dictate the prices when it should be the men with the money paying what it's worth. 150-200.reais is enough....

Doc Bill

09-19-03, 00:35

Well, to catch up on the rest of my stay in Rio: I was right about my impression of HELP. At first it was a real rush, I mean, where in the States can I go to a huge club, be surrounded by gorgeous women and know I can take any one (or two) of them home with me? It´s quite the ego boost, and while the women are indeed making a living many of them really enjoy the sex as well. I hooked up with one darling named Adriane, about 20, for a couple of nights (not continuous, no rule-breaking here!), although she did show up once at the hotel unannounced, which told me I´d had enough of her (the next morning, that is). The pathetic part of HELP is all these arrogant pathetic old men trying to dance like teenagers and buying into the fantasy, but I won´t digress nor pontificate. For me, HELP got old, fast - too much bullshit, haggling and uncertainty. I prefer the termas where it´s all laid out in black and white, safe, and clear. I also found the girls there to be friendlier and more enthusiastic both in and out of bed.

I went to Monte Carlo one day and two girls approached me, saying something about how American men all want to do two girls. I said I was happy with one but I guess they didn´t hear me. So right there in the bar area they both start making out with me at the same time, making out with each other, grabbing me under my robe, etc. What could I do? We went to a suite and did everything I could imagine two girls and a guy could possibly do to/with each other. What a time!

I went to 4X4 once and will not repeat. It´s too rushed and factory-like. Both me and my buddy were rushed out of the rooms well before the hour was up. This never happened at the other places, where, if anything, the girls spent extra time with us. Also, 4X4 is extremely crowded and noisy. So big thumbs-up for Monte Carlo and Luomo. I will visit some of the others when I get back there on the 26th (I´m in Buenos Aires now), except for Centaurus, which I won´t bother with, nor will I bother with the strip clubs, I can waste my money there at home.

As far as prices, the termas are dirt cheap by American standards, and of the three times I took a girl home from HELP I paid BR$200 once for all night, 150 once for all night, and 200 once for an hour with a b**** I couldn´t wait to get rid of anyway. I´m sticking to the termas.

Of the twenty or so girls I had sex with in Rio only once did a girl want to do bj covered, and she relented when I said I would cancel the session (this was in a terma). They all like to make out and get oral too.

Oh, and by the way, I was able to do all of this on my own, without a handholder, and I´m no genius.

On a nonsexual note, Marius Churuscaria is not only probably the best food in Rio but one of the best in the world. Highly recommended.

I love Rio. There is nothing like it.

Java Man

09-19-03, 03:02

docBill
glad you're having a great time. sorry we didn't meet up. but looks like you're managing. (20+girls!!!)
i'm planning on returning nov 5 for a week.

Explorer8939

09-19-03, 21:36

I have to agree on that Marius place, the food is great, I don't think I will be able to eat again.

I am rather disappointed in Rio, though, the chicas seem waaaaaaaay too hardened, probably too many 60 year old American mongers here spending too many $$ on these girls. Sao Paolo and Brasilia were more fun.

MoonDog

09-20-03, 08:20

DocBill and Explorer,

Nothing wrong with a guy having fun with some beautiful girls. I'm 58, and have a ball in Brazil and Argentina.

Wait until you get a few years older, then see how your attitude changes.

Moondog

Starfe

09-20-03, 14:38

DocBill449,

I guess at 51 I am considered one of those older men your talking about. 30 years of mongering has mellowed me. NOT. I am busier now, then when I was 25. Traveling more and spending more . The best way to look at some of us older fellas is to compare us to Jimmy Conners as he aged through the tennis world.
We take shorter steps but each one more defined then the last.
We only play in the major cities now.

" Some of us even take apperance money"

I truly appreciated mongering more at this age then when I was younger.

Starfe

God bless guys like Moondog & Jackson for blazing the trail

Starfe

09-20-03, 16:32

DocBill449,

If by chance you notice a guy doing the Frug and the Jerk during the same song, please come over and say hello.

starfe

Ceylon1

09-20-03, 16:44

Hola

OK - we were all young once, each day we grow older, so you "Youngsters" - some day, you too will be considered old by other "young turks".

Just relax - there are enough "play4pay" for all of us.

I am your Senior Citizen Monger on Social Security & Medicare. Yes I am nearly 66 yrs of age. (but I dont look & act my age). Plus 2 major Heart surgeries. 6/1995, Surgery Open heart with 5 by-passes. 2/2003, Surgery with 6 stainless steel stends inserted in my heart.

I am a SURVIVOR, Yes I am alive. I will return to mongering with a 4 weeks trip to Brasil in October - Sao Paulo, Curitiba, Santos, Rio de Janeiro, Manaus & ?? Have been a monger since I was 17 yrs of age. Each trip, I "play" with as many differant girls as possible. A total of over 2500 differant girls in my lifetime.

Visited 59 nations to play & not to pray. Plus "play" with girls from nations I have not visited, eg Eastern Europeon girls in the RLD of Amsterdam & Frankfurt. Also girls from Central Asia in Bangkok. etc, etc.

Enough of "blowing my own trumpet" - you "youngters" have a long way to go to catch up with some of us "old timers"

Moondog will email you my dates in Sampa - maybe we can meet.

I used to post on another forum as - WorldTraveller aka Charles

Regards & have fun-fun-fun

Carlos aka Ceylon1

Bandy

09-20-03, 20:32

I totally concurr with Starfe and Moondog. I am 53 and having more fun than I could ever imagined.
By the way Moondog, is there any chance you will be in RIO in October? I will be at Rio Roiss from Oct 10 thru 19.

Bandy

Doc Bill

09-21-03, 01:52

Hey, guys, please accept my apology for appearing age-biased, I really didn´t mean it that way. Let me clarify, it´s not the age, it´s the attitude, and I would have been more correct to say that I saw way too many American jerks of all ages. I guess the older ones stand out more, or I think they should know better. The behavior of many Americans here is shameful. I´m no spring chicken myself and I have a lot to learn from my seniors, so please forgive any offense.

Carlos Primeros

09-21-03, 06:04

Bandy,

I will be at the Ibiza Copacaban Rua Belford Ruxo - just around Barbarella from 15 - 17 and from 24 - 29 October. Would be nice to meet a fellow monger. I usually hang around also at Posto 5 and Balcony.

MoonDog

09-21-03, 06:26

Ceylon1, looking forward to meeting with you in Sampa.

Bandy, Rio is November only.

Moondog

T-Rex

09-21-03, 09:26

HI DocBill,

Where is this Marius Restaurant at you Highly Recommend, Is it on Ave. Atlantica??

Is it better than Alcazar Restaurant.

Java Man

09-21-03, 17:39

marius is at Av. Atlântica, 290

Doc Bill

09-21-03, 22:42

T.Rex, as Chingon just indicated Marius is on Atlantica, but north a ways a bit past Copacabana in Leme. I walked, but it´s a good half hour by foot and well worth it. Comparing Marius to Cafe Alcazar is like comparing Burger King to an Argentinian steak!

Explorer8939

09-22-03, 16:30

First off, its hard to miss Marius, since its at the extreme far end of Atlantico at Leme, there's a big hill blocking the street about 100 meters from Marius.

Second, there are 2 Marius restaurants, one for fish (its got cinnamon on the floor), and one for meat.

Saint

09-23-03, 03:31

I've been to Marius a few times. Be forewarned that I went 2 weeks ago and the quality wasn't as good as previous visits. In fact, I thought it sucked. I went with my novia and it was R$220 with no alcohol, desserts and the standard 10% tip. This place ain't cheap. It's much better in the summer.

Alcazar is one of the biggest rip offs in Rio. I haven't been there my last 3 trips and I'll never go back there. Sometimes groups of Americans meet up there but my amigos and I have purposely avoided that place. The food is lousy to mediocre at best, overpriced, the staff there sucks for the most part and it takes forever to close out a tab.

There are many GREAT restaurants in and around Rio. Granted, most of you probably aren't into nice restaurants. Most guys going to Rio only have chicas on their mind. For those that are interested in some nice spots head to Ipanema. A really cool Thai restaurant is called Za Za. The food is great! Upstairs is really romantic if you're with a garota. I went to some nice places too. Try a small little upscale club called Bardot. Many beautiful people there. Also, went to a club next to the Jockey Club. It was nice but most of the people there were young so if you're over mid thirties you probably will stand out. The girl to guy ratio was amazing at around 8 to 1. Also, went to a live concert at the warehouse docks. Be forewarned the action doesn't start till like 1 am or so. The crowd there is also young. 20's and early 30's.

This is the real Rio. Tons of "beautiful people". There are people there with money. This crowd doesn't hang out in Copacabana. Just spend a day in Ipanema and you'll see what I"m talking about. Hopefully some of you get outside of Copacabana and see what Rio has to offer. Yes, it's a concrete jungle but there are so many beautiful parts of the city that the majority of the guys will never know.

Good luck.

P.S. Listen to Starfe and Moondog. I consider both of these gentlemen good friends. Starfe is like the energizer bunny when he is in BA and Sao Paulo. Moondog is well Moondog. A legend. These guys give me hope!

Doc Bill

09-23-03, 07:04

I´ve been to Marius twice and both times the food was incredible and it came to BR$150 (that´s about US$50) for two people, without alcohol (sorry for this non-sexual content).

MoonDog

09-23-03, 21:15

Saint,

Thanks for the nice words. Hell, the girls keep me young. :)

Moondog

Starfe

09-23-03, 22:56

God bless you Saint for your kind words.

starfe

Rio Fan

09-24-03, 03:45

I am very new to the monger scene. Had my first trip to Rio about two weeks ago. In the next few days I'll tell about the interesting experiences I had. Mostly positive. I turned 40 this year and while in Rio I had the pleasure of several ladies much younger than myself. After one very bad marriage and numerous nightmare relationships I think the monger lifestyle suites me quite well. Since there's been a lot of talk lately about age I'm just wondering what to expect down the road. Ceylon1 you're 66. I'm wondering how increasing age has affected the frequency with which you are able to have GFE's. In other words, do the ladies treat you as well now as they did when you were younger? This is a little off topic I know, but I appreciate hearing about the experiences of others.

I did pull a girl out of help on my third night, beautiful, 27, amazing. I spent about nine nights/days with her. She had a lot of rules during the first two or three days, but all of these were left by the wayside as we spent more time together. After the third night she would do anything I wanted. Don't get me wrong, she was very friendly and fun from the beginning. I was tempted to 'switch up' every day, but we were together almost all day with her staying over every night. I really got to like having her around. When I go back in January she'll be in Italy 'working' so I plan to make it strictly about variety. I will say that my experience with her was as good if not better than any experiences I've ever had with 'free' girls (ha free!).

Sorry this was so long. More to follow.

Vinckman

Bandy

09-24-03, 17:03

Website address for MARIUS:

http://www.marius.com.br/ing/home.htm

Phone:
2542-2393

Bandy

GrabInBuns

09-25-03, 18:48

Hey guys,

I have been Mongering in Rio since '86 (about 8X). Does anyone remember a place called "Fantasy Island"? It was on the outskirts of Rio. You showed up and took a boat over to the island and banged all day long. It was the ultimate GFE. Unfortunately, it is no longer around. I recently visited the webpage for Help and saw the ad for the HaziendaVIP club which is run by the DJ of Help. Has anyone checked this out? They pick you up at the Othon and take you to the VIP. Or is it just another RIO scam? Speaking of scams, I sent that Professor of Portuguese $15 for the "Love Words" in Portuguese. I have now been waiting over 4 months for the CD. It ain't coming, is it? If anyone is going to Meia Pataca soon, let me know, as this guy wears his sandwich board advertising the CD up and down Ave. Atlantica.

Grab in Buns

Ceylon1

09-26-03, 04:20

Answer to Dotor Vinckman

I have absolutely NO problems getting play4pay girls at my age of nearly 66 yrs - I do look a lot younger - being a non smoker / drinker.

In fact, many girls have told me that they prefer a older guy - because a younger stud would f..k the hell out of them all the night, lot of work. While a middle aged or older man will settle down and go slowly.

Do I have erection problems at my age ?- hardly, when a fabulous young 21 year old girl or two girls are crawling all over me, believe me there is no problem.

I have never taken Vitamin Viagra - due to 2 major heart surgery. Doctors have told me NOT to force a orgasm - this is a strain on the heart. If orgasm comes naturally fine, other wise dont force it, eg by a HJ or banging untill you come by force.

In other words - I can get the "cannon primed, but dont always fire it"

At 40 yrs, you have a long time to reach my present age.

Caylon1

Tony UK

09-26-03, 09:11

Here’s my scenario, going to Rio for the 3rd time next week. The previous 2 times I have spent my time with a very nice girl I met in Help. She is very pretty, excellent body, fantastic sex, very trustworthy, speaks reasonable English etc. She wants to see me again and I am very very tempted. The one and only time I did go to Help I did not rate 95% of the girls at all and found myself very grateful for the one I picked.

This is making me edge to seeing the same girl for a third time, however I can’t help thinking I should try something new. Quite simply if I do want something new, where do you find the most beautiful girls? (I really don’t think it is Help). Is there anywhere in Rio that compares to something like Café Photo in Sao Paulo for quality. I am sure many of you will recommend some of the Termus. I have visited Centaurus and had a fantastic time but I am more into finding a girl for restaurants, clubs, beach, and sex when I want and not against the clock.

What advise can you give me?

Nvr2L8

09-27-03, 17:35

Tony UK:
First a disclaimer - I may have been just extremely lucky. However, the first time I was in RJ I had to stay in Barra de Tijuca because I was there on business (about 4 years ago). I decided to try out one of the agencies one night rather than cab it to Copa. Sorry, but I can't remember which agency it was - it might have been Escort Girl http://www.escortgirl.com.br.

Anyway, they sent over this cutey named Elizabeth, (see photo) and we had a great couple of hours together. I can't recall how much I paid, probably $R150. So the next night, there's a knock on my door, and it's Elizabeth. She just wanted to stop by to see if I was busy! Over the course of the next week, I saw her maybe four more times, and she never asked for money. I paid for dinners and entertainment, of course, and I gave her a couple of hundred reais the last time I saw her. About as GFE as you can get. I think she moved back to her hometown (sigh).

If you're hesitant about calling an agency, you can always go to a termas, and if you find a girl you really like, ask her for her number. Last time I was there, I met a really great blonde at Quatro x Quatro, and we had a couple of "dates" outside the termas. Be discreet, though - I've heard that the girls can get in trouble if the management of the termas finds out.

Good luck!

Hoof Hunter

09-28-03, 05:43

Saint,

Sounds like you know your way around Rio. I would like to ask your assistance in finding other spots outside the normal mongering areas.

I've been to Rio 4x now, and after the first 2-3 days, I feel the need to check out some of the other areas of Rio, outside of Copa as well. I've been to a few jazz clubs over in Ipanema and Leblon, but for the life of me, I can't remember the names. We went to a 2nd Floor spot in either Leblon or Ipanema on my 1st trip, I think the name was Vissiones, but have not been able to find it again since. I know Tom's & Garota de Ipanema pretty well, but would like to get the names of some other jazz clubs as well. Any assistance you could provide would be helpful.

I plan on visiting again in the coming months and would like to check out a few. Probably will also bring one of my chicks along with me for the GFE as well.

By the way, where was Bardot & ZaZa? In Ipanema on Rua Visconde de Piraja (sp?)? Are these bring your own chick spots? Or are there some chicks (not working, of course) milling about? Just curious as to how to approach going.

Hoof

Wanderer1000

09-28-03, 16:38

Tony UK -

I only had one week in Rio, so my advice is admittedly limited.

It seems you had good luck in Help. It's difficult to meet women that have a knowledge of English, or more than a few words and phrases, in Rio. I used Spanish, and it helped for me to be understood many times.

I plan to spend at least several weeks on my second trip in the future, and I will try to work the termas and the escort agencies to find my GFE connection (which I think you and Nvr2L8 appreciate, as do I). I didn't try the escort agencies on my last trip, but judging from the sites I've looked at and heard about, it only costs about US$50 to give a girl a try (and escort agencies in most countries cost a lot more than the rates of finding the girl on your own). So Rio can be worth the try IMHO. You also can ask for only girls that speak English, or have some basic English knowledge. It makes for a quicker process of finding a woman you can communicate with if you get that GFE going.

As you stated, the termas are a good route in Rio. You can get numbers from them easily enough. The only thing is, for the daily visits to the termas that I had, I did not run into any girls that spoke English. I really liked one girl, but after getting her number in the afterglow of an experience, I realized I was not going to be able to communicate much of anything on the phone if I called her. I've spent entire days with a few different girls that I did not have a common language with, so it can be done if you have that rare "spiritual connection". But I think I will work the escorts next time I am in Rio, and I will ask only for girls that know some English. Both you and Nvr2L8 seem to feel lucky with your initial connections, but IMHO, I don't think it's that hard to "find" luck in a place like Rio.

Wanderer1000

09-28-03, 16:53

Also, a convenient listing of many of the escort services can be found on the www.gringomanagement site. (They also list the addresses and several direct connections for the main termas). I used one of David's apartments this summer, and I found him to be very helpful with offering information on the scene. Tony, you might want to e-mail him with your concerns and get his opinion. Mentioning that you are interested in possibly using his services probably wouldn't hurt, but nevertheless, I found him to be a pretty friendly and open guy.
For those that have heard of this site before, I found his apartment and airport tranfer services to be reliable. I'd use him again. I mention this mainly due to the several negative postings on the BlameItOnRio web-site group.

Antoninho

09-28-03, 19:24

tony uk, it realliy is hard to beat help and for what you require it is probably the best place to get what you are looking for .
babarellas is a really fun place to try out too but many of the girls are pretty professional there .
in my limited experience of the termas scene i`d say the one you have already been to is the best .
my advice to you is try a bit of everything but in my view help is really hard to beat . i have met 3 of the most amazing girls i have ever met in my life there . i am currently dating one of them . i met her in help during the brazilian summer school holidays . she was 17 when i met her . she did`nt go back to school and we have been inseperable ever since - the possibilities in help can be limitless depending on your views .

Antoninho

09-28-03, 20:28

RANGER- you asked me 12 pages back to list out what has happened to me and my friend in rio over the last few years . my apoligies for not answering you sooner.
1st trip- was on the beach with my friend and two brazilian beauties and we asked a carioca to take a couple of photos of the 4 of us . after the photos we noticed that one of the brazilian girls watch was stolen . when i got the photos developed you could see the bastard coming up behind us and in the next photo he is gone . lesson i learned here . watch your back because the locals will not - out of fear i guess.
was on copa taking some rays . now i always spread on the sun cream before i go on the sand but i had a pair of shorts on and i wanted to strip down to my swimming trunks and i realised that i had`nt spread the cream on in that area so i left my shorts containing my money behind me for 30 seconds and some bastard robbed them . again people saw the robber but nobody said nothing .
my friend arrives on the beach and tells me he thinks he has fallen for a small con . he was walking near help disco and this guy across the street starts shouting at him to look down at his shoes . so my friend looks down and sees shit on his shoe . the guy across the street comes over and offers to clean his shoes for a fee of 20 reais but he bargains him down to 15 . he discovered this was definetely a scam when the same thing happens to another friend the next day .
i go to help , met a blonde sexy babe with a great body . she looked like trouble but i could`nt resist so i agreed an exhorbitant price ( this was my first trip so i was as green as the incredible hulk ). took her to motel vanity . she insists on the money up front but i refuse and tell her to forget the whole thing . she atarts breaking glasses and stuff and i had to pay the bill .
2nd trip ( 3 months later ) flew into sao paulo to meet one of those amazing girls i mentioned in my last post . i discover she has a pretty bad coke habit . she used to buy it from one of the kiosks on the promenade . one night we come out of help very late together and she goes to the kiosk but it is closed so she approaches people on the street whom she thinks are selling . one of them is an undercover cop or working with the cops so the cops come around the corner and arrest us . when we are in the back of the cop car my girlfriend swallows the packet of coke to eliminate the evidence . the cops search her bag but find nothing and in the meantime my girlfriend is on her cellphone to a detective friend in sao paulo to try and diffuse the situation. the cops tell me that this will end right here if i pay some money but i decline and keep cool and am pleasent with the cops . they eventually let us go after about half an hour .
3rd trip (with my friend again ) about 12 midnight we are walking to help on one of the sidestreets between ave. nossa senhora and ave. atlantica . i`m a few steps in front of my friend and suddenly 3 guys jump us . the biggest one got my friend in a really tight neck lock . the other 2 were coming for me . they had shorts on and were stripped to the waist so i figured that they were not packing anything so i aggressively moved toward them and i was amazed to see them back off so i turned toward my friend`s assailant and punched on the side of his face but i then dad to turn and fight the other 2 whom were now coming behind me but again they backed off and then i helped my friend again and they eventually ran off . there were people nearby including 2 security men at a hotel but they just looked on . after a few minutes we stopped a police patrol car and went with them looking for the muggers but they disappeared . the cops were surprised that they did`nt have any weapons .
4th trip , my camera was robbed from right under my nose at a kiosk in front of copa . 3 guys came along on the prom. and distracted me and their friend who was crawling behind me took the camera . again as per usual the local population ( whom saw everything because they told me after about the guy crawling behind me ) did nothing to warn me .
there have been a few more minor incidents which i wo`nt bore you with .
( a good friend of mine who has been going to rio for the last 10 years and who is ultra carefull just got robbed at gunpoint by 3 guys on bikes . this seems to be a pretty new technique adopted by the copa robbers .

Doc Bill

09-29-03, 04:22

Antoninho, I hope you will post your report below in the Crime and Safety section as well. That's real important information. Thanks to you I will be spending my beach time at Ipanema, not Copacabana.

So I'm back in Rio after an incredible ten days in Buenos Aires. Don't ask me to compare, it's like apples and oranges. But basically, Rio is pure sex, while Buenos Aires is a great city in which sex can be a big part if you want it to.

Since it's Sunday the only termas open are Solarium and Luomo, the latter being my favorite. I heard that Sunday was couples night also at Solarium, but the women in the two couples I saw there were untouchable hags. I had a great time with a nice blond named Isadora, who gave me her phone number and told me to do her in the ass next time (not my thing, actually - "exit only" is my motto there!). Overall I'd rate Solarium ok but not as good a selection as MonteCarlo or Luomo. I headed over to Luomo and there were plenty of lovelies. The atmosphere and friendliness, as well as the quality of women and the price make this place my favorite of those I've been to.

As far as I'm concerned Help is a waste of my time, especially when the termas are here. I can't believe some of you guys who think that you're going to find a "real" girlfriend there, especially when you don't speak Portuguese and they don't speak English. Listen, guys, the girls at Help are pros, all of them. That's what it's known for and that's who goes there. So go, enjoy yourself, but don't get deluded. If you want a real girlfriend learn Portuguese and hit some of the clubs in Ipanema.

It's pouring here now. I hope it stops by tomorrow so I can go home with a tan.

Saint

09-29-03, 05:27

Antoninho,

Damn amigo. You must have some bad luck or maybe you have "rob me" on your forehead. (Just kidding!). Rio definitely has some crime although I've never experienced any. I hope you don't have any future incidents. I think for the most part if you are careful and don't look like you're scared you'll be ok. Copacabana Beach is ok during the day.

DocBill,

You're totally right about Buenos Aires/Rio comparison as I've pointed out many times. Everyone has different opinions on Help. I do disagree with your comments that all the girls are hardened pros. Yes, there are definitely alot but if you can speak some Portuguese you can find a real sweetheart there. I've had extremely good luck there. I've met several girls there that hung out at the beach, some "private time" at my apartment and even sessions without asking for any money. I agree that guys shouldn't get deluded but if you are younger and can speak the language you can have a totally great time there.

Barbarellas can be a good time but I don't go there much anymore. It's pricey and I've noticed more and more of those girls are at Help anyway. Last trip about 4 of the hottest girls I've seen working in Barbarellas were at Help.

RxHammer

09-29-03, 10:20

Hey Guys,

Gotta say that Antoninho has to be the unluckiest guy that has every stepped off the plane in Rio, Damn !!! After 20+ trips to Rio in the last 3 years the worst that has happened to me is getting pulled over at a police check point on NS Copacabana and having my girl searched and some questions asked. Lucky for me she had no drugs on her but be careful cause many of the girls you meet in Help will be carrying something.

As a note, Monte Carlo is now open on Sundays.

Just got back last week from my most recent trip. Had a great time as usual. This time of year Help isn't to crowded making it easy pickings. As noted on the forum the girls are asking for more cash up front, just pass and move on to your next choice. I guess I have been lucky all this time because of the dozens of girls I've pulled out of Help I have had only one hardcore scammer. She pulled the "it's 200 US not 200 reals" bit. I just showed her the door and went back to Help and found another more agreeable chick. On almost all occasions we didn't even talk money, I just slipped her 150 or 200 reals in the morning, no problems or discussion. I think alot of times if you just play it cool and play the girls like a conventional pick up and lay off immediately talking money and length of stay etc you may find satisfaction with fewer headaches, IMHO. Just repeat what has been said before, Help has a variety of women from beautiful to trash. Not all things to everyone but it is one helluva playground.

As for termas, went to Monte Carlo first but felt the talent level was way off since last spring. Alot of the girls that used to work there are gone. Had a great session with "Duda". Very beautiful curly hair, great face and thin body, lots of fun. Also saw" Luana'. Have become friends with her outside of Monte Carlo too, she never fails to please. Great body and face too. If you go to Monte Carlo you MUST see these two.

Somebody mentioned that seeing the termas girls outside of work might cause them problems. Very true, they will be fired. Regretably, I have been responsible for 2 girls getting fired from Monte Carlo. Marsio the manager saw one of them at a cafe with me and fired her the next day. The other was punked out by a co-worker who had a thing for me and was extremely jealous. The second girl had not stayed with me the night in question (but had on many occasions in the past) but Marsio canned her anyway. So be discreet if possible, their livelyhood depends on it.

Having said that, if Help isn't your thing just hook up with a termas girl after work. Very easy and I have never been hassled about money and actually see several on a "no pay" basis, the best of both worlds.

Also went to Centaures several nights. Some discussion recently about the "tourist tax"....don't like it but life is short so I don't sweat it. Still has some of the best talent in Rio. Some are a little hardened but just take some time to get to know them and they lighten up quickley (IMHO). Have seen several from here after work too. These girls seem to avoid Help, they seem to think they are above that type of scene.

Forget Mea Pitaca (spelling??) It has hit rock bottom, IMHO.

Another aside, Brazilian women, even Pro's, can be very jealous! Plus, don't think these girls don't talk. I see several on the side and some will begin to think you are their boyfriend no matter how many times you tell them different. I have gone to a termas one night then another the next night and every girl in the place will know who I banged the night before !!! Chicks with cell phones !!! Just make sure everyone knows you are a player or limit the times you repeat cause it can develope into a real headache.

Lastly,
Have used David at Gringorentals many, many times with no problems what so ever. Cuts me a good rate and would recommend him.

Get out of Copa and see the city. Go to Baja, go party in Lapa, eat over in Leblon or Lagoa. More to Rio than Copa...

As always, don't over pay. In Help if she wants more than 200 reals tell her to get lost, there's 200 other girls to pick from!!

At the internet cafe why can't I sign on to my AOL account?? I always get redirected to AOL.Brazil !!! Help !!

I will be back in Rio Oct 14th to the 19th if anyone wants to hook up give me a shout...

To quote Saint.....Life is good !!!

Hooky

09-29-03, 18:19

Rx: I had the same computer problem trying to log into msn hotmail when I was there. I think the computer was autocompleting the URL for me. I went up to the URL box and deleted out the ".br" portion then hit return and I was then able to get to the US websites. Hope that helps.

Lots of good info being posted here lately, thanks everyone!

H.

Doc Bill

09-30-03, 03:02

Saint, I agree with everything you said, you misquoted me: I didn't say that the Help girls were all hardened pros, just that they were all pros; There's a big difference, and I agree it's possible to find a sweetie there to have a nice time with, as I have. It's when we go looking for (or think we found) love that we get deluded. Even those sweet so-called "semi-pros" can be very convincing and enticing. I've made my mistakes falling in love in Cuba some time ago. Now I just have fun, I treat the ladies well, they reciprocate and we all win.

Having said that, the other reason I don't go to Help, although I actually plan to day after day, is that after a couple of sessions at the termas I'm just in no mood. The termas make it too easy for me and wear me out (and that's not a complaint!).

Tonight I went to terma MonteCarlo, my close second favorite after Luomo. I learned that the problem at the termas is that the girls get very territorial on you if you've been with them before, which can be a real pain in the ass. I saw the two girls that I did a double with a few weeks ago (previously posted about) and I was not into it again. I just wanted the blond. Of course the brunette was the aggressive one and just wouldn't leave me alone about seeing them both. It really started to grate on me. I managed to get away and have a dyno session with the blond, but this made me not want to go back. I feel like I have no choice but to be an asshole just to get rid of them, after politeness repeatedly fails.

More tomorrow and then back to the land of no pussy.

Saint

09-30-03, 03:09

Great info Rxhammer! I agreed with everything you said. Funny how I never see the terma girls outside of the termas. For some reason it just isn't that appealing to me. I did on my first few trips but there are so many girls it isn't necessary. (Also, something about these girls sleeping with up to 7,8,9,10 guys a day isn't so appealing to me). The termas are great but I'm finding myself going to them less and less. I enjoy hanging out with girls I meet other places.

You are right about getting pulled over by the cops. About the most scarey thing to me in Rio was when my taxi hit a roadblock near Vip's Love Motel. 3 police officers with their guns pointed at my car pulling me over with my girl was not a fun experience but I got out of it ok even though I had no ID on me. Luckily my girl was so cool and drug free. I'll never leave with a girl if she seems high or drunk.

I can also recommend David at www.gringomanagement.com. I've used him a few times. I've also used Bobby at Blame it On Rio Travel. In my book, all of the "travel agents" in Rio are about the same. Also, you notice many of them use the same pool of apartments. They only get a commission for getting your rental. Many times I'll book with David and get the key from Bobbi.

Keep in mind the apartment rentals in Rio are mediocre at best. The last trip I got an apartment for part of my stay. There was no hot water 2 days. Another day there was no water period. My girl was pissed the next day because she couldn't shower. Kick Stand's apartment also didn't have water. I wasn't a happy camper. Bobby subtracted one day of the rental because of this problem.

Rxhammer was also right about the girls being jealous. South American women are some of the most jealous on the planet. Be careful. I also had big problems trying to access my AOL account. No matter what it redirected to Brazillian AOL. I couldn't check my AOL from any internet cafes besides Tudo e Facil. Everytime I took out the BR after aol.com.br it would just redirect back to that page. If anyone knows how to avoid this problem please post it.

Good luck. Yes, life is very good.

P.S. DocBill.. sorry for misquoting you. I only meant the general idea. Lots of real sweeties in Help. Have fun on your next trip. I'm sure you'll be back.

Carlos Primeros

09-30-03, 19:47

Hallo RxHammer - I will be in Rio from 16 to 20 October. I will stay in the Ibiza Copacabana just around the corner from Barbarella. Just contact me on kfk2010@yahoo.de. Would be nice joining forces.

Carlos

Antoninho

09-30-03, 21:51

so ``i`m the unlikiest guy in rio ``. hmmm i reckon i`m probably one of the luckiest guys to hit rio . these minor things in the post below did`nt cause me any stress ( well apart from my camera being robbed) i quite enjoyed the little rukus with the attempted muggers .
i say i`m lucky because i am now in a real passionate relationship with a truly amazing girl i met in help. i know a lot of you guys think this is stupid , especially you DOC BILL, but man this girl is a real stunner . when i met her in help every guy in the place had eyes for her and as i reported in a previous post a lot of guys were trying to BUY her even when they knew she was with me - how low can ya get ah? of course my girl was and is not for sale at any price . even the feckin lesbians in help disco were coming out of the closet to try to steal her from me .
i met her last christmas and we have been virtually inseperable ever since . she left brazil for the first time to come to europe with me . i have made it clear to her that i have no plans to get married and i am not very wealthy which she knows but she loves me and i love her and she wants to stay with me .
before i met this girl i was also in a long term relationship with another brazilian girl i met in help. she visited me in europe 2 times for extended visits but after the second visit i realised she was`nt truly happy out of brazil so we parted amicably . this girl has not worked since in help disco and she is trying to put her own business together . she could easily go back to help and earn 500 reais most nights but she has left this life , i think and hope for good for a more peaceful and normal life in small town brazil .
i`d like you guys to know one thing that i`ve learned over the last 6 years going to brazil and that is that money is not ,as many of you may think, the most important thing to these girls . many of these girls truly go to help of course to make money . some of them make astounding bucks . but many of these girls would love to meet a truly caring gentleman and fall in love and leave this help place and the likes behind.
my present girlfriend could easily earn 500 or more reais a night a help . one guy offered her $ 500 dollars one night ( but she was with me ) of course many of you guys will not believe this but i`m just telling you about my experiences and it is up to you if you choose to believe me .

Prazer

09-30-03, 23:05

Antoninho,

What matters is what you get out of the relationship with your girlfriend. I wouldn't worry about the personal opinions of the board. We don't know this girl or what kind of bond you have developed. As it should be. So enjoy, as long as you can.

Some guys fall in love with a girl and date her for years, banking wonderful moments and memories. Other guys want to get under the sheets with a stunner, then settle and get her out the door in a hurry. There is no right or wrong here, just the quality of the experience we are after. Both goals are eminently feasible in Brazil.

In my experience, Brazilian girls are quick to fall in love, and their passion for romance is almost childlike. I happen to find that a refreshing and courageous quality in this world of jaded materialism. Sure, a lot of the girls are trick artists with a finely tuned ability to hoover every last dollar out of your wallet. But even the most hardened pro has a soft spot somewhere deep down.

They all want to leave the nightlife in exchange for a nice guy to care for them and enough $$ to provide a home. Working the joints at night is hard earned money, and most girls know it is a trap they need to escape some day in order to survive and have a chance at a "normal life." But once they cross the line into the pro life, few local guys would consider marrying them, so they become social lepers, damaged goods. That makes them even more desirous of a relationship with a Western guy who does not harbor such discriminating sentiments.

I have enjoyed my share of longterm relationships with Brazilian garotas and I hope to indulge in many more. Nothing like it.

Enjoy!

Johan

10-01-03, 04:53

antoninho

nice story anton. question is, how does your girlfriend (who works at Help but not really works at Help) pay her bills now? does she have any other jobs before and after Help? now that she is with you and no longer works at Help, how does she pay her rent? her car payments? her many many other payments? just curious. i am not saying you ain't got lucky. i am saying if you show us the math, the credibility level improves quite a lot.

Doc Bill

10-01-03, 05:22

Saint, you're damn right I'm coming back here ASAP! I just spent four hours at Luomo Terma and for the first time in my life I don't want a blowjob...Imagine that!

A quick word on Bobby and Blameitonrio Travel: YMMV, but my experience with them is that they are total flakes, completely unreliable, unresponsive and to boot have inflated prices for hotels. In every case that I contacted the hotel directly the price was cheaper. He also dissuaded me from a really nice hotel that I ended up staying at by saying bad things about it that are not true, I guess because he doesn't deal with it.

So there I am in my seventh floor room balcony, minding my own business, when across the street these girls start waving at me from their balcony. Well, small world, it was two girls, one of whom I spent time with, from Montecarlo Terma! They gave me a nice little striptease from across the boulevard, what a trip!

It's my last night in Rio and I'm sad to leave. After a relaxing day at Ipanema beach (Copa is too much of a pain) I got a pizza at 1800 and headed over to Luomo Terma, my favorite. I had a great session in the suite with Alyssia (sp?), who was a favorite of a friend of mine who got involved with her but he doesn't read this board.

By the way, I don't know if all the termas do this but at Luomo you can leave and come back later the same night and you won't be charged the entrance fee again. That, for me, is good to know.

These girls are incredible (in all the termas): They spend a lot of time making out with you and stroking your dick under that goofy robe, I feel like I'm getting something extra for free! Anyway, after two pops with Alyssia I thought about leaving, but hey, it's my last night, right? So I popped another vitamin V, hung around for an hour and met this gorgeous morena, part Brazilian Indian, who, just at the right time, walked over and started making out with me. I know we say this a lot but she really gave me one of the best blowjobs in memory, to completion. The look on her pretty face with my cum dribbling down her chin made me want to go all over again!

In my own limited survey I have found the girls working the termas to be really nice people and a lot less mercenary than many of the Help girls. I also learned that to a soul they detest their work, have no choice, but do like some of their customers. We Americans get high marks from them for being giving and respectful, as well as for our reported penchant for doubles.

Oh well, tomorrow it's back to the land of no pussy, woe is me!

Bandy

10-01-03, 15:47

DocBill449

Could you identify the hotel that you stayed in Rio? What are the rates and are they girl freiendly?
I want to thank you for your heads-up suggestion regarding the "Blameitonrio" travel service. I was about to book through them but change my mind after reading your post. So I contacted the airline directly and saved about $100.

Bandy

Antoninho

10-01-03, 19:13

i concur with everything bad said here about`` blame it on rio``travel agency . they are totally incompetent . the bastards cost me $600 dollars this year . my girlfriend booked through them this year to come to europe . she had a choice of a 3 month return fare or a 6 month return fare . i wanted to buy the 6 month return fare because i knew there would be a possibility that my girlfriend may be able to stay in europe for longer than the normal 3 months if i applied . the shits in blame it on rio though assured me that i could easily extend the 3 month ticket to a 6 month one if i so desired at a later date and that i would have to pay the difference in the 2 tickets which was about $300 dollars . i really did not think this was possible but the girl in blame it on rio convinced me and she is in the business so i believed her .well my girlfriend got the extension on her visa so we phoned blame it on rio and after about 6 phone calls to them we discovered it was not possible and that we would have to buy a new ticket . blame it on rio blamed the airline but when i phoned the airline they could not believe how stupid blame it on rio were to tell me this .
also when my girlfriend booked the original ticket she had major hastle getting everything arranged with them . many phone calls , many lost faxes - total incompetence on their part . i phoned bobby in a nice way to see what was wrong with the issuing of the ticket and his response was ``well this is brazil you know , things go a little bit more slowly around here ``no apologies whatsoever .
i run a business myself and i can tell you if i had this attitude i`d be out of business long ago .
i remember also going into his agency before any of this ticket business because i wanted to go to buzios for a few days and one of the guys working there showed me all these expensive places to stay ( about $120 per night ) i was nearly going to book but i met a guy later who told me to just go and you will get somewhere to stay no problem . so we did just that and i got a beautiful pousada , very central, for 75 reais including breakfast . yes you can blame it on rio when things go wrong in rio .

Antoninho

10-01-03, 19:27

PRAZER
yes i agree with everythig you said . it seems from your words that you share many of my views because you have experienced what i have and i hope you experience again .
what you say about SOCIAL LEPERS seems to be true and this is why many of these girls do not have boyfriends .
the few that do have husbands or boyfriends go to great lengths to keep their trade a secret .

Antoninho

10-01-03, 19:45

JOHAN
surely you mean ``my girlfriend who did work at help , but whom does not work there anymore ``.
to answer your questions - she does not have many bills to pay . she has no car , no house ( like many of these girls she lived at home with her mother before she started to WORK but was renting an apartment with some friends when i met her . she has no job now but we are working on it . she has excellent english now so i`m sure we can arrange something soon but long term we are thinking of our own business together .
since i met her i am paying for absolutely everything , but she is quite easy on money . she is from a poor family so she knows the value of money and she really appreciates the little things . if we go shopping and she sees expensive clothes she immediately walks away to see something else . she is by no means greedy but nonethless it is a bit of a strain on me but we hope as i said to get a job soon .
before she went to work in help she lived with her mother and her mothers`s boyfriend ( very common to see this in brazil - marriage breakup , new boyfriend ).
her mother was earning 190 reais per month and her mother`s boyfriend 250 reais per month so there was damn all to go around for luxuries for my girlfriend . she was working in help for about 3 weeks before i met her so she was not spoilt with expensive GIFTS from the likes of you or me . hope this answers your questions amigo.

Saint

10-02-03, 02:19

Antoninho,

Congratulations. I hope it ends up working for you. I know it's possible to meet sweet, incredible, honest, beautiful girls at Help. Hell, it's possible to meet these type of girls everywhere. I'm not saying there are tons of them but anything in life is possible. I now know that.

In the end, don't listen to what these guys have to say. I really do mean that. Go with what makes you happy and what you think is right. I've been fortunate to meet special people in my life. I meet people very easily but very very few I'd consider true friends that I care what their opinions are.

Some guys are jaded because they've been "played" by girls from Brazil. I can honestly say one of the most honest people I've ever met in my life I met in Help. A wonderful person that I trust 100%. You know your girlfriend better than anyone out there could so if you trust her nothing else matters in this world.

On the other side of the coin, there probably are way way more girls that lie and try to con guys from Help. I'd say the truly special girls are few and far between. Last trip I was sitting outside the restaurant outside of Help. There was a girl that Kick Stand saw on previous trips. Funny girl. If you read my report back in December you'll know she is the hot girl that blew up at some guy. Anyway, this girl is telling us how she can't go into Help because her "boyfriend's" friend is in Help and her "boyfriend" is paying her not to work at Help. Of course she still does and was trying to pick up clients at the restaurant. This girl is totally hard core. She told us this guy was paying her like $900 us a month. Way way than any typical person makes and more than enough to live on. She was laughing at him basically calling him a sucker.

Good luck everyone.

Saint

Trippleecks

10-02-03, 18:07

Yes, anything IS possible so keep playing the lottery even at 23,000,000 to 1 odds it's possible......

Johan

10-02-03, 21:10

Mr. Saint -
"this girl is telling us how she can't go into Help because her "boyfriend's" friend is in Help and her "boyfriend" is paying her not to work at Help. Of course she still does and was trying to pick up clients at the restaurant. This girl is totally hard core. She told us this guy was paying her like $900 us a month. Way way than any typical person makes and more than enough to live on. She was laughing at him basically calling him a sucker."

who is this girl? i think i know her. how does she look? 5'9-10"? Dark hair. Perfect body. Totally gorgeous? she just caused the worst heart break of my buddy (who visited brasil the first time and who believes he is in love with her). i have been telling him this girl was trouble but my buddy ain't believing me. of course, when you are in love, you don't want to know the truth and everything is 'made believe'. :)

Antoninho

10-02-03, 22:30

SAINT
thanks for your kind words . i remember reading one of your megga reports some time back about your time in rio but i do`nt remember that story about the girl not being able to go into help because she would be recognized .
thanks for your words of caution too but i aint green to the scene in rio so i know the potential dangers involved in dating one of these girls . i have heard many stories in the last few years but i think the bottom line is what is your definition of a relationship .
for me it is being actually with the girl almost full time .
i think a guy who sends money to a girl in rio and who does not be actually with her for most of the time and whom communicates mostly by cellular or email with her - well i think this guy is asking for trouble .
you say it`s possible to meet sweet , incredible , honest girls anywhere and of course that is true but it is my experience that one( depending on the individual himself of course ) can met these type of girls with more frequency in help . i know that many here will say that that is a ridicilous statement , but it has been my experience and my friends too .
my sex life and my love life was completely shit before i went to brazil and help disco . i was unconfident , growing out of the stupid disco back home ( full of completely bitchy women ) and basically unhappy . i really thought that i had a problem . but after my amazing encounters in brazil i realized that it was not me but these stupid women in my country that are the problem .
the satisfaction i feel now when i walk down the street with my brazilian beauty . when i get married it will be to a brazilian girl . they are incredible . my girlfriend now is incredible . so passionate , so sexy, beyond my wildest dreams of the woman i would one day be with . ate logo amigos.

Antoninho

10-02-03, 22:38

NODD-N
YES ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE and i reckon the odds improve depending on ones state of mind, one`s age , one`s wealth , one`s nationality , one`s marital status , one`s health .

Jaimito Cartero

10-03-03, 00:01

Doc - Well, how did the girls let you know they detested their jobs? For me, if they always complain about the job, then it's very unsexy.

On the otherhand, if you really ask them about their lives, and it comes out then it's slightly different. Of course, most people are not happy with their jobs, so it's nothing that unusual. I always like the girl to have some passion, and not be staring off into the ether (or even worse, at the tv) while I'm doing her.

Doc Bill

10-03-03, 07:32

Jaimito - Well, to start, my Spanish is pretty good so I was able to learn a bit of Portuguese before my trip. That helps a lot. Also, when I speak Spanish they can get most of what I'm saying because the languages are similar enough. So that enabled real conversation.

And you're right - it wasn't that they complained and/or were "unsexy," it was after some conversation, like why they don't have real boyfriends (because no guy would tolerate their jobs, understandably) and how they have no other way to make that much money and of course many of the jerks they have to have sex with. I can only imagine how bad that must feel. I found that by treating them with respect, kindness and fun they were very appreciative and had a lot of passion as a result. Even the faked orgasms were fun.

Jaimito Cartero

10-03-03, 08:10

Fake orgasms? What are you talking about? You mean the girl who acted like she had 50 orgasms just from giving me a HJ was faking? Gosh.

Yeah, while there may be girls who like to be treated like crap, I found that a sense of humor and treating them like a friend payed off nicely. I've never tried Portugeuse, but my Spanish is passable.

Rodriguinho

10-03-03, 20:32

Just reading you guys makes me full of "saudade". Good luck Antoninho, I also sort of dated a girls (from a clinica in SP), and thought that she had a lot of potential. I still keep in touch with her but I dont know if I would marry a girl like that, one thing im sure though is that Im gonna marry a Brazilian girl, sorry, once u go Brazilian....

R

Tomb

10-03-03, 20:37

Doc Bill:

Fake oh-oh-Aaaaah-AAAAAAH-*A*A*A*A*A*A*A*I*I*I*I*I*I*I*I!!!! Orgasms? I don't know what you're talking about.....

;-)

T

Antoninho

10-03-03, 20:59

thanks RODRIGUINHO .
JOHAN that would be extremely tall for a brazilian girl. 5'9 is with the high shoes right???

Saint

10-03-03, 21:35

Johan,

The girl I'm talking about that was hiding out and not going into Help is really a beautiful girl. Very pretty face, straight dark hair, great body (although she ruined it by recently getting a boob job). She speaks great English. She also has a tatoo on her back. She is hard core and I really hope you're friend isn't the one sending her money. If anyone on the board is reading this and they are sending money to her....she is hard hard core and working you like you wouldn't believe.

Like I said...anything is possible. But there is a difference between possible and probable. Guys shouldn't fool themselves. I've been in this game only about 6 years but probably have seen more girls than some guys in the game 10,15, 20 or more years. I've only met about 2 or 3 girls out of hundreds and hundreds that I'd even think about dating in a serious relationship. Remember that going to South America is like going to Disney World. Guys can get a little unrealistic sometimes when going down there. I try to always stay realistic.

"When you wish upon a star...la la la " Keep it real guys. Good luck.

Saint

Johan

10-03-03, 23:49

Mr. Saint.
Thanks for the response.

I could not agree with you more. Like you, I have been in this "game" over many years since my late 20s (i am in my mid 30s now). Indeed, we have seen it all. Most guys think they got lucky because they are young, handsome, well off, smart, educated and great personality, which I presume both you and I have. I also presume we had our fair share of gorgeous drop dead model types willing to date us for free. We even had girls bought us gifts, cooked us dinner, treated us night club and even stayed at their houses (apartments). So, not that this situation never exists but the chance you meet that "soul mate" and "good girl" is very small. More often than not, it's the Oscar winning performance of the girl who won the guys over. Granted, many guys are in a "make believe" sequence. when you are in Disney World, you never ask dumb questions like why Mickey is not for real. However, it is a little foolhardy you keep the dream sequence going after you leave Disney.

As to my friend, based on your descriptive, my friend did not date the same girl, however, i am bemused to see the similarity, she too has pretty face, speaks pretty good english (note that the chance is very high that a garota who speak good english also happens to be the "good girl" and "soul mate. but that's no comfort to me since he is in deep love with this girl and the more I talk to him, the more he distanced himself from me. It gets to a point that he thinks I am jealous of him and want to separate him from his soulmate he has.

Johan

10-03-03, 23:55

Mr. Anton.

Forgot to address your question in my earlier posting to Mr. Saint. The girl is about 5'9" without heel. with heel, she is like at least 5"11. so very much look like a super model. if you see him, put on your safty helmet :)

Antoninho

10-04-03, 00:32

yeah i hear you guys . some guys just cannot get a grip on reality . heard this story on a trip to rio on my last tour.
this american guy i know goes to rio maybe 6 times a year . knows lots of guys down there . hangs at mea pataca quite a bit and goes in help a lot too. well, he knows this german guy who falls madly in love with this girl who works in help and the german guy is positive this girl has fallen in love with him too. after a week or so it`s time for the german to get his flight back to germany so he parts ways with his brazilian love quite near to mea pataca amid much emotions . he gets in the taxi and leaves . 5 minutes later this girl is down in mea pataca ( the american friend sees her there ) and 15 minutes later she is off to some hotel with 3 big black guys . the american guy knows one of these black guys who fills him in on all the details from the bedroom . seemingly the girl was on for everything - real hard core .
well the next day the german friend phones his american friend at his hotel to ask him how his girl is doing and has he seen her out . so he tell him she is working hard ( but does`nt go into the graphics - does`nt want to completely do his friends heart in ) . the german friend does`nt believe him , says he is mistaken and then says he is lying when he says it is no mistake . the american friend says over and over to him that this girl is real hard core and there is no mistake but the german just would not believe him .
that`s hard to believe SAINT 2 or 3 out of a few hundred . what type of girls are you meeting man ?
ate logo guys.

J Wadd

10-04-03, 00:51

Heya guys:

I just wrote a report up on Canoa Quebrada (Ceara, I think) -- a small beach/trance town full of fun. Have any of you Brasi experts and I know (sadly) the Rio board is for Brasil novices) been there and lived to tell about it? I'd like to hear from someone who's been there on a summer weekend.

Thanks,
JW

Cutting Edge

10-05-03, 00:47

Hi guys, been out of the loop for the last month or more and have just been reading the last few weeks posts. Seems the GF/non-pro analysis needs a little input.

In summary...

- girls go to Help to get MONEY, not a lover.

- the girls HAVE BRASILIAN BOYFRIENDS!!!....I don't know where the urban myth that these girls are single ever came from. If in doubt read again...THEY HAVE BRASILIAN BOYFRIENDS.

- you might even meet her boyfriend, maybe introduced to you as her taxi driver,brother,undercover policeman or as Padrao. He's not bothered because you are giving him money for beer,drugs etc etc via her. Some of the girls inside/outside Help are even married.

- Brasilian girls are generous with their love, just go to one of the web cafes on the blocks near Help, everyday you will see them writing email after email to all their lovers worldwide.

- Go to Lapa on a Friday night, you can usually see them out with their boyfriends. What I found incredulous was that they would get all these CHANCES with a comparatively rich gringo, then sneak off to be with some real low life who looks like an extra from the Cidade de Deus movie.

- Girls(outside Help) who speak English are generally long term *****s, best avoided unless you know no Portuguese whatsoever.

- Gems can be found, a new girl in town who has not yet turned hard core. Trouble is, many girls always say they have just been there 2-3weeks when infact you remember them from a year ago.

- when a girl is a newbie, she can be turned(get her out of the business) but problems exist. If she is good looking the UGLIES will befriend her and use her as fishing bait to get to tables/open conversation with groups of guys. Now these UGLIES protect their fishing lure, if they see her connect with a guy, they will try hard to screw it up, telling her he underpays etc etc. They need her everyday to weed their way onto guys tables.

- This long term BF/GF stuff??!!, well I was there for a LONG period of time, continuous. When you are there a long time, with no break it gets hard for the girl.Its easy for her to act for a week, but when you are there long term its a pain for her especially when other BOYFRIENDS are arrving for a weeks holiday etc.

- If you think you have a real GF, ask to go to her families house. This tends to weed out a lot of the timewasters. If they have a BF(who doesn't know what she's upto,married etc), she'll make an excuse not to go. Also learn the geography of Rio, its amazing how many bullsh-t where they live. Also, if she intends to screw you financially, she won't want you to know where her family can be found.

- You can get a GF in Rio, but not at Help. More likely candidates are that girl who serves you coffee with a smile at the Pao de Queijo.

- If you are going there looking for a GF, you need to be realistic. If you are 50 or over, don't expect a serious relationship with a 18yo model type. If you did hit it off, and she returned to your country, I don't think it would be very long before she jumped in bed with a guy half your age. At that age you are better looking for a chick 30-35ish.

- Learn Portuguese, it has one advantage, you can understand what a girl is saying about you under your nose(you learn the truth very quickly that way).

tchau

Rio Nut

10-05-03, 05:02

You are the master CuttingEdge!!! This is all very good advice, but of course, big losers will not follow it because, well they are big losers. They cannot believe that a beautiful women could want them, and think that if they can just take them away to their suburban hell somewhere, then yes, these women will learn to love them.

I think not!!! These men are very dumb and probably could not pick up regular nice looking women if you held a gun to their head!!!

Enjoy the fantasy of Rio de Janeiro, because there is NO CITY in Brazil like it....even Sao Paulo is not as nice with such friendly prostitute girls! I have spent much time travelling and found NO PLACE in Brazil like Rio de Janeiro, even with so many American idiots coming down and spending too much money.

But don't be dumb! Use your big head and take control, do not be a wimp and a sucker and a big loser just because that is who you are in the U.S. Take charge!

Doc Bill

10-05-03, 08:06

Right on, Cutting Edge, you said more eloquently what I've been trying to say. Come on guys, have fun, but don't confuse fantasy with reality!

Regarding money exchange, I just got my bank statements. Most of you recommend using the atm's, particularly the one at Blockbuster. The exhange rate I got there was 2.92 Reais for the dollar. On my last day there I discovered a cambio and the exchange rate was 2.96. It's called Pioneer, one block north of Francisco Sa between Atlantica and Copacabana. Hope this helps.

Johan

10-05-03, 17:01

Cutting EDGE.

dang, you are really cutting edge. totally accurate. you are doing a service to the community. Fantastic reporting and analytics all in one. wake up calls to the newbies who thought they found their long lost love in brasil :)

MoonDog

10-05-03, 17:18

Cutting Edge,

Great response and advice.

If she is good looking the UGLIES will befriend her and use her as fishing bait to get to tables/open conversation with groups of guys. Now these UGLIES protect their fishing lure, if they see her connect with a guy, they will try hard to screw it up, telling her he underpays etc etc. They need her everyday to weed their way onto guys tables.

I saw this last night first hand. My girl and I and another co-worker went to one of the clubs across from the Kilt in Sao Paulo. My girl was beautiful, slim, very attractive. After sitting down, a bit overweight and not so pretty girl joined my co-worker and connversation started. Then a few other girls joined us as well.

I had never seen this unattractgive girl before in my life. Yet this morning after breakfast, my girl said to me that the ugly one had seen me before in my hotel room, but that we had not hit it off and she left. I started laughing, and asked her if she thought I would even touch that girl. She knew me better and the subject was dropped. It just goes to show how these girls can operate.

Not all are like this, and you can establish very good, long term realtionships with these girls, as long as you keep everything in perspective.

Thanks again for a great summary.

Enjoy the life, :)

Moondog

J Wadd

10-05-03, 21:33

Cutting Edge:

Man, I'm gonna memorize that post. Bigtime thanks.

I consider myself about middle-of-the-road savvy on garotas de programa (after having p-4-p sex with about 90 of them) -- but that under-cutting UGLIES section was totally news to me. It's always some chubby little such-and-such who's talking shit and fucking things up.

GOOD STORY:

I was with a few Americans the other day who still had there girls the following day. They all went to an internet cafe to check their individual email.

While these guys were checking their email, they could overhear the girls gigling and poking e/o as they reponded to EMAIL AFTER EMAIL from their European "boyfriends" how they're "true to them, not going to the discos anymore, staying home and studying," etc. "Oh, by the way, thanks for the money you're sending. My brother's still a little sick -- though he's getting better."

I can't believe any of you guys would even consider a serious long-term relationship with a working girl. C'mon! And of all places Rio -- the worst Brasil has to offer in terms of reliability and up-fronted-ness. They're cute, though.

Oh well.

JWadd

Antoninho

10-05-03, 21:47

CUTTING EDGE-
whilst your report contains some good info. i found it quite inaccurate and very pessimistic in many respects . this is probably because you have being stung yourself .
yes MANY girls go to help to get money and not a lover but NOT them all as i have experienced first hand .
the very first time i went to rio i met a girl whom i paid for the first night only . after spending a week with her i handed her 300 reais . i flew into sao paulo 3 months later to see her again and we went to rio together . i paid her nothing . i just paid for the apartment and the food and we had a great time together.
my third trip to rio i met a girl in help . paid her 100 reais each night for 5 nights and then i paid her no more . she came to my country 3 weeks later and stayed for the maximum 3 months . we had a great time together - no payment .
my friend met a girl outside help . paid her 150 reais the first night - that was it . she went to his country for 3 months on 2 occassions - no payment , and she is crazy to return to see him again .
my present girlfriend . met her in help . i paid her for the first night . we stayed together in rio for 4 weeks before i returned to my country and then she followed me and stayed for 6 months with me .
i would say that these girls are pretty bad businesswomen if they went to help to earn money . would you not agree?
SOME OF THE GIRLS HAVE BRAZILIAN BOYFRIENDS NOT THEM ALL AS YOU OUTLINED . it is my experience that many have not got boyfriends and as a previous poster pointed out many brazilian guys will not have anything to do with a working girl even after they finish in this line of work. any that do have boyfriends go to enormous lengths to keep it a secret. this i know for a fact.
yes indeed SOME brazilian girls are sucking some poor gringos dry with their LOVE LETTERS over the net . i have wittnesed the scene that you described .
yes SOME DO GO TO LAPA WITH THEIR BOYFRIENDS- two have gone there with me and 2 with my friend - they go there with their american and european boyfriends too you know?
GIRLS OUTSIDE OF HELP WHO SPEAK ENGLISH ARE GENERALLY LONG TERM *****S - good to see you put the word generally in there because my girlfriend will come with me to help and it`s environs on our next trip and she speaks perfect english now and she only WORKED for 2 weeks before i met her .
this thing about the UGLIES is about the most accurate thing that you have said here . i have experienced this first hand on many occassions and i can spot it a mile away . many of these girls whom you refer to as ugly may also have it in their friends best interests to PROTECT her from a gringo . i`ll elaborate on this later .
HOW LONG TERM ARE WE TALKING CUTTING EDGE ? you see this is the problem . in my view a few days or weeks with a girl is not really a relationship . what i am talking about and have experienced is entirely different .
THE GIRLFRIENDS FAMILY HOUSE yes i agree it is important to visit . i have never asked to visit their house though as you suggested . i think that would be inappropriate. on 3 occassions girls have asked me though and i have gone to visit 2 . i will visit my third quite shortly.
YOU CAN GET A GIRLFRIEND AT HELP IF YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT FRAME OF MIND AND NOT SOME UGLY OR SHIT GUY - I HAVE DONE IT ON 3 OCCASSIONS and my present girlfriend is incredible .
REMEMBER IF YOU GO THERE LOOKING FOR A ***** THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL GET , A ***** .
LEARN PORTUGUESE - I FULLY AGREE but not solely for the reason that you outlined but because if you meet girl who doesn`nt speak english you can simply communicate with her and tell her how beautiful and special she is and share special moments with her .
remember if i had met my present girlfriend with the frame of mind that CUTTING EDGE has described here i would not be with my amazing brasileira today and i am having the time of my life - hope you guys experience it sometime , ate logo amigos.

Antoninho

10-05-03, 22:47

j wadd, johan, and docbill- man you guys make me laugh . real boys-scout response to cutting edge .

Cutting Edge

10-05-03, 23:44

Thanks for the responses, I'd like to address Antoninho's points first.

- How LONG is LONG term --- 1+ years.

- Rio has millions of people who are scrapping a living, if you don't believe take a bus upto the Baixa Fluminese and see the poverty there. To think that a poor guy would have too much honour to make his GF a 250R$ a night ***** is crazy. Most of the population only make this much in 1 month.

- If a pretty girl wants to find a rich husband/boyfriend, she only has to go down to the right bars/restaurants/posto in Leblon/Ipanema/Barra. Wouldn't it be more logical to find a rich mate who speaks the same language and lives in the same city rather than go to a place full of guys who on the whole don't understand what you are saying?

- If a girl goes into Help which to all intents and purposes is a meatfactory than she has made a conscious decision to accept that lifestyle. Why do some girls do it and others decide to stay working at the Pao de Queijo for 250R$ per month?

- In my experience, you tend to find that the girls who want a way out of Brasil tend to find a European, solely because of the visa situation. A Brasilian can travel to europe for 180days per year without visa.

- A lot of my info has come from speaking with the girls(fluent Portuguese), including details of which girls are married etc. I've also seen countless gringos being burnt(emotionally and financially) by these girls, infact there is rarely a happy ending.

- As for Lapa, more often the girls describe these American and Euro boyfriend's as 'cliente'.

- Antoninho, you sound like you have a good track record, good luck but be careful. However I think your stats are very rare, I generally find 95% at Help to be extreme hard core although we all have different definitions of HC.

- And finally how about this, does it sound SILLY.

QUOTE :"" Hi guys, I live in Brasil and want to find a European wife. My friends say that in Amsterdam there is a place where the women stand in the windows, some nearly naked looking for a husband. If you see a girl who you want to be your wife, you knock on the glass, she will invite you in. You have sex with her(thats the most important thing in a relationship), if she doesn't like you she will charge you 50dollars, however, if she wants to marry you she won't charge you and will spend the next week with you prior to marriage vows. What do you reckon, my other friend said there is a similar place called South Central in LA near Hollywood but I'm not sure??? Any advice??""

Doesn't that sound silly eh, well Brasilians reading these boards must think that of us??The situations are the same, just reversed!!

Leo

10-06-03, 04:29

Damn, some of you guys just don't understand this Help place... or you're too quick to neatly label everything... Anyway, let me respond to something Cutting Edge wrote:

- girls go to Help to get MONEY, not a lover.

Name any rule, and generalization, and there are exceptions. ... and there are excpetions to this statement.

If there are 500 girls in Help on a busy night, then maybe it's true for 400... maybe 450... maybe 490, I don't know. But to believe that it's true of all girls there is false.

Both myself and others I know have taken girls out of Help, and had sex with them and not been charged a dime. I'm not talking about follow up nights, I'm talking about a one-nighter with no other contact.

There are girls in the place that are just horny girls, they're out to have fun and have sex (like many of us player dudes would do in the U.S. if it were so easy - go out an pick up), maybe they like Americans/Europeans. So they are incredibly picky - maybe the older, overweight, uglier, non-portuges-speaking gringo has no shot at her... maybe she'll reject him at r$500 require so much that she can't say no... she may be rejecting 80% or 90% of the hits on her... we've seen it - but still there's the girl that is there looking to get picked up, for fun. "I want to go party and meet a guy tonight... why not go where maybe I'll make some money at the same time..."

OK, there aren't a lot of these girls... and I'd guess most of us WSGers have no shot at them... but there are a few, and a few of us do.

Johan

10-06-03, 04:46

Mr. Cutting Edge.

your write up continues to educate me, even as an old pro. i learned something from you. for one, i did not know brasil has a "no visa" policy with EU. no wonder, many of my 'girlfriends' would rather learn french and spanish than english. question then becomes, is it simply impossible for some of these working girls to get U.S. visa?

as to Mr. Anton. you got people winning powerball jackpot everyweek (not in the last four weeks though :(). you are apparently one of those lucky souls who keeps winning the jackpot time after time (as documented in your report). we can only admire from afar. don't get annoyed at us, we are like butterflies and you are like snowman. you are talking the concept of ice to us and there is no way we see the world you are in :) Ha. Ha. butterflies and ice.

Rio Nut

10-06-03, 05:50

Antoninho!!! You are being SOOOOO NAIVE!!! I have had women in Rio, some never asked for money, when I asked them how much, they said whatever you want to give me. And yes, I met these girls in Help.

They would come over anytime I wanted to my apartment, would stay until I kicked them out, and would even call me. Sometimes I paid them something because I felt bad, other times I did not and just bought them dinner and such.

One of them I liked, I said to her do you want to go on a vacation with me to Mato Grosso, and she said YES!!! So we went, we fucked, then we came back. I paid for her ticket and food, and she was grateful and had fun.

Was she my girlfriend? NO!

I was a good client that she LIKED (I like to think her favorite client, ha ha), and she was happy to be away from having to sleep many times in a week with DISGUSTING OLD SENIOR CITIZEN MEN (her words, not mine).

I am not foolish into thinking this woman loves me, that this women is my girlfriend, and that I am some STUD! You are just a CLIENT that she likes to spend time with. She is NOT loyal to you, she would DISAPPEAR if you had little money to spend on her, and she would REPLACE you with a RICHER EQUALLY NICE CLIENT if the opportunity arose.

Get real!

And for the person who said that they are PLAYERS and that they pick up regular girls in Help! Please! You do not know ANYTHING about Brazilian girls. Ask ANY regular girl in Rio if they would go to Help, and they would look at your WITH HORROR! Even the girls who work at CENTAURAS, a ***** HOUSE, think it is beneath them to go to Help!

Easy Go

10-06-03, 07:16

Bulding real relationships with girls met at Help strikes me as a difficult but not impossible task. If somebody can make it work, great. If somebody gets played for the fool by trying to make it work, that's one of the risks they take. I wouldn't pick Help as a great place to go looking for long-term love but I wouldn't automatically exclude it either.

I've only been to Rio once and that was just two weeks ago but all three of the ladies I met at Help were terrific and showed me a great time. Maybe I just got lucky but I had an excellent time with a beautiful and fun lady for a great price (from my perspective). A completely cynical attitude might have gotten me a better price (or let me feel superior) but to be perfectly frank that extra R$ 100 means damn little to me and a great deal to her so I didn't mind paying it at all.

I can see how somebody who was emotionally vulnerable could fall for any of them and start thinking with his little head rather than his big head. But of course, Brazil and Help Disco don't have a lock on guys thinking with the little head.

Prosal

10-06-03, 14:31

Cutting Edge, very good views on Help on which i agree at 100% : i've been there recently after a perfect trip inland and could'nt believe my eyes on the extreme mercenary atmosphere, not even talking about the bars outside (Help, Terraco Atlantica, Meia Pataca), kind of trashy/hardcore depressing meat market for desesperate westerners punters....

Funny how some guys want to make us believe that they found an undiscovered gem there (!!!????), just because one day some Help's pro f*** them for whatever reason (physical attraction, destressing from job ?) without asking money (sorry Leo but it happened dozens of time for many of us, so what's the deal about a free shot, it doesn't mean nothing about the reliability of the girl, who will anyway go back working the next day, the next week or the next month, 100% of Help's girls having already choose prostitution as their main job !!) ;

BTW Anto, we're not making "boyscouts responses" just because we agree with Cutting Edge, the three guys you talk about in your ironic post are Brasil old-hands for who Copacabana is a small and VERY unrepresentative part of Rio (AND of course of Brasil : "the worst Brasil has to offer in term of reliability" as JWadd pertinently posted) .....

Anyway keep on the good work C.E

Pro

Johan

10-06-03, 21:21

Cutting Edge, RioNut, Pro, Leo and Anton.

personally i find the observation from CE, RioNut, Pro all accurate since i had first hand experience and can attest to its accuracy. i also had a 'regular' dating experinece with a brasilian girl whom i met at the workplace in brasil. one of our customers has an office in SP and i met this lady through one of my work trips there. i also have a few brasilian friends who immigrated to U.S. from Brasil. and then i have a very good friend who works in the hotel business in copa for the last 12 years. so, i consider i have a 'passing' knowledge of rio (if not the whole brasil). the information i surmise from learning with my friends are:

1. Love takes Time
when you date any girl, not just brasilian girls, it takes time to get the love element in. just by spending one or two days with a girl and you call that LOVE?
2. Brasil is a catholic country
most girls, here i mean non pro girls, are more conservative than american girls - especially in brasil you have the white - portuguese - upper class. they are real uptight and serious. the woman i dated is one of such and she never even samba all her life! so, the madly in love phenonmenon you experienced in Help is all show and non real in the rest of Brasil.
3. it is possible that a pro girl will fall in love with you and even marry you but....
based on my brasilian friends in the hotel business, once a pro, always a pro. once they learned to accept that lifestyle, it is easy for them to come back or some of the girls even found the psychological "need" to come back even after they got married with a gringo and even after their financial needs are taken care of. they personally saw ex-pro girl got married, moved to EU or US but found an excuse to come back to rio for vacation or family visit and showed up at Help.

i am not really adding something new here. what's new is, CE, RioNut, Pro's comments are not annocdotal and nor is it a gringo biased statement. their observation is verified by both brasilian and non brasilian, playa or non playa..... long before many of us even began visiting brasil. if you tell me that on my very first trip, i got 'lucky' and met the 'gem'. to give you the benefit of doubt i will believe you. however, if trip after trip, you always ended up meeting the 'gems', then i must conclude you must be some movie stars or rock stars. :)

Cachorro

10-06-03, 21:44

My 2 cents,

I was just in the North-East of Brazil, staying in a long-term pousada full of girls from the boates. So I got to see them all hanging out and talking normally, a "fly on the wall" experience.

Here are a few things I learned...

- Don't despair if you are an older guy. Some of the girls were talking with real warmth and respect about older clientes that they had.

- For some girls, the payoff of going to the boate is not love and marriage, nor it is the money she makes that night. She only needs to meet one or two "Papai Noels" who send her money from Europe, USA etc. Then she is all set. One of the girls had two European Papai Noels. One sent as much as 1500 reais per week. And this girl still works at the boate every night.

- My experience was closest to RioNut's. Sure you can meet a girl that likes you a lot. She will maybe hang out with you just for fun and to destress from the job. In the end though, she still needs to work and make money.