Rio de Janeiro - Hotels & Apartments

[Neverenuff]

I suggest splitting the hotels and apt threads. I'm new to this forum. I just want info on hotels and digging through EVERY page of this thread looking for hotel info is driving me bananas.

I just want a hotel with a good view, garota friendly, and under 70 us a night. Also It would be good if this hotel was in the heart of the action. Thinking of spending 4 nights there and then 4 nights in Ipanema. No idea why. I just hear Ipanema is cleaner, safer and a bit more civilized.

[Exec Talent]

I suggest splitting the hotels and apt threads. I'm new to this forum. I just want info on hotels and digging through EVERY page of this thread looking for hotel info is driving me bananas.

I just want a hotel with a good view, garota friendly, and under 70 us a night. Also It would be good if this hotel was in the heart of the action. Thinking of spending 4 nights there and then 4 nights in Ipanema. No idea why. I just hear Ipanema is cleaner, safer and a bit more civilized.
Hostels don't usually have much of a view.

Some sites actually are dedicated to hotels. I am not sure, but I think
www.hotels.com is one of those. Had you gone to one of those sites, you would have found out that there are very few hotels in Rio for less than $70 a night.

You might find an apart-hotel for less than R$70, but again, no view.

[Sprite13]

I suggest splitting the hotels and apt threads. I'm new to this forum. I just want info on hotels and digging through EVERY page of this thread looking for hotel info is driving me bananas.

I just want a hotel with a good view, garota friendly, and under 70 us a night. Also It would be good if this hotel was in the heart of the action. Thinking of spending 4 nights there and then 4 nights in Ipanema. No idea why. I just hear Ipanema is cleaner, safer and a bit more civilized.

Check these sites which in portuguese but great sites nonetheless:

www.hoteis.com.br
www.hospedevip.com.br

Great options available there at semi-local prices as opposed to the ones posted here which are mostly gringo prices.

All the best.

[Koolkid]

Billy is in apartment ‘hunt mode’ for a visit June 15 to 22.

Contacted Rio Apartments and Rent In Rio regarding 4 particular apartments – see their responses

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/
Rent In Rio - US$125 / night
Rio Apartments - US$90 / night

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-20_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_copacabana/
Rent In Rio - US$125 / night
Rio Apartments - US$75 / night

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-21_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_copacabana/
Rent In Rio - US$125 / night
Rio Apartments - US$70 / night

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-39_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_luxo_copacabana/
Rent In Rio - US$125 / night
Rio Apartments - US$60 / night

‘Caveat Emptor’ – ‘Let the buyer beware’I never got a reply to the 3 emails I sent them asking for quotes so I left them alone and went with Don

http://www.amerioca.net/ONE%20BEDROOM%20AND%20STUDIOS.htm

[JohnnyBraz]

What is people's experience with riopenthouses.com? They are showing me 2bed in Ipanema for $140, is this a fair price?I have used rentaflatinrio.com and riopenthouses a few times and all I can say is if I wasn't dealing direct with a owner I would use them everytime. Adriaan is a good person and is now living in Rio. He once went to an apartment I and installed his own digital safe for me. There was once a plumbing problem in a 1 bedroom apartment in miguel lemos, he moved me to a 3 bedroom ocean front apartment for the rest off my trip, no extra cost. When it comes to apartment rental agencies, he is by far the best in Rio.

[Bad Boy Billy]

I never got a reply to the 3 emails I sent them asking for quotesYou never got a reply from which company?

1. Rio Apartments OR 2. Rent in Rio?

[Koolkid]

You never got a reply from which company?

1. Rio Apartments OR 2. Rent in Rio?1. Rio Apartments and the this was the apartment I was asking information on
http://www.rioapartments.com/1-28_aluguel_de_imoveis_luxo_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/

All I wanted to know was price and location but I go no replies.

[Zebulon1]

Just few informations about Atlantico Copacabana.

You have no problem when you come back with a girl, and no joiner fee.

Price for internet wifi is 20 reals per day, or 2 reals for 4 minutes.

Swimming pool is now out of order.

Very close to the metro and L'Uomo.

Very nice breakfast.

[Barracuda666]

Gents,

Does anybody know the following B&B places? Reviews of those who stayed at one of these Hotels are kindly requested!

http://www.casabeleza.net
http://casa579.com
http://www.altosdesantateresa.com
http://www.hotelinrio.net/

[Sunset Strip]

http://www.ez-riorentals.com/aptos/ocview/STUDIO/ocview-studio.htm


If you have stayed in any of these apartments please let us know which one and what you paid per night. If your stay was over Carnaval or New Years please note that fact because the price will not be representative.

Many people recommend this agency but few, if any, mention specific apartments or the price.

thanks,
TJ

[Pelicano]

I recently rented thru Eric, for a friend coming down to visit, a 2 bedroom apartment in lido square for 150 reais per day, when we got there the AC did not work, due to the owner not wanting top spend the cash to get it fixed. He had no way of knowing the ac was not working. He imediately offered us another one that was in an apart hotel building near the tunnel to Rio Sul, which had a pool and a fitness room as well as wifi in the lobby and was much better than the original one, for the same 150 reais per day. All cash deal and no lengthy contracts to sign and zero hassles, once you get his cell phone number he will be right over to help you if you need anything as he lives around lido square. Email might take a little longer for him to answer.


Hi,
I'm sure i read some reviews on Eric from copaapartments, i just cant seem to find them.
If anyone could share any experiences with Eric\Copa Apartments that would be appriciated.
Thanks

[Pussyhunter099]

http://www.ez-riorentals.com/aptos/ocview/STUDIO/ocview-studio.htm

If you have stayed in any of these apartments please let us know which one and what you paid per night. If your stay was over Carnaval or New Years please note that fact because the price will not be representative.

Many people recommend this agency but few, if any, mention specific apartments or the price.

Thanks,

TijuanaI rented 707-AS in Jan 08, There were small roaches in the apartment, Kenn really came through for me when I complained about the roaches he said that he could not get an exterminator in to take care of the problem because the building manager was out of town so he dropped off a can of Raid. The apartment was noisy ass hell from the traffic and everyone blowing their horns, the window is a single pain and did not seal very well. The AC unit worked really well. Also the rental agreement that Kenn had me sign limited me to only bringing in one guest at a time because it was a studio. The apartment was R110 per night. I don't recommend 707-AS.

[Wantafanta]

Hello everyone, I am planning a month long trip and would like to know if anyone knows any good aparthotels in Copacabana (guest friendly of course).

I am not sure, but do aparthotels give special monthly rates like apartments do? If so anyone know the average price? I would like something affordable since I am staying for so long. Preferably a place between posto 4 and 5 and close to the metro. Other suggestions are welcome.

There's a lot of information here about which sites to go to for apartments, which is great. But, I would rather have the convenience of a hotel without the headaches of living in a real apartment. And since hotels don't give monthly rates (at least not to my knowledge), aparthotels seems like a good choice.

Thank you.

[JuiceGuy]

I am only going to be in Rio for a few days. I have three questions:

1) Has anyone ever used Rio Apartments and are they reputable?

2) Has anyone ever stayed in this apartment and what are your thoughts?

http://www.rioapartments.com/penthouse-barra-da-tijuca/FrameSet.htm

3) Has anyone ever stayed at RIO OTHON PALACE and are they girl friendly?

Any help is appreciated.

[Sperto]

I am only going to be in Rio for a few days. I have three questions:
1) Has anyone ever used Rio Apartments and are they reputable?
2) Has anyone ever stayed in this apartment and what are your thoughts?
http://www.rioapartments.com/penthouse-barra-da-tijuca/FrameSet.htm
3) Has anyone ever stayed at RIO OTHON PALACE and are they girl friendly?
Any help is appreciated.
Mr JuiceGuy.
1. The owner of Rio Apartments is the guy I trust most in Brazil. Excellent guy!
2. I've never stayed in that apartment, but I visited exactly that apartment several times with the owner of RioApartments (wishing that I got the money to stay there). It's a great place! I can imagine myself in that pool with three morenas trying to catch my submarine.
A great location in Barra.
3. No.

[JuiceGuy]

Mr JuiceGuy.
1. The owner of Rio Apartments is the guy I trust most in Brazil. Excellent guy!
2. I've never stayed in that apartment, but I visited exactly that apartment several times with the owner of RioApartments (wishing that I got the money to stay there). It's a great place! I can imagine myself in that pool with three morenas trying to catch my submarine.
A great location in Barra.
3. No.

WOW! Thanks! I am going to book it. We have a couple of guys so the cost won't be so bad per person. Thanks again for the feedback.

[Jan 156]

WOW! Thanks! I am going to book it. We have a couple of guys so the cost won't be so bad per person. Thanks again for the feedback.


One assumes you know where Barra is of course.

[Abzsafado]

Hello everyone, I am planning a month long trip and would like to know if anyone knows any good aparthotels in Copacabana (guest friendly of course).

I am not sure, but do aparthotels give special monthly rates like apartments do? If so anyone know the average price? I would like something affordable since I am staying for so long. Preferably a place between posto 4 and 5 and close to the metro. Other suggestions are welcome.

There's a lot of information here about which sites to go to for apartments, which is great. But, I would rather have the convenience of a hotel without the headaches of living in a real apartment. And since hotels don't give monthly rates (at least not to my knowledge), aparthotels seems like a good choice.

Thank you.
Try Promenade Princess, close to the Cantagalo Metro. Bookable online through expedia and opodo or directly from their website. If you are there for a month I suggest you book a hotel for a few days then have a walk round the area. There are numerous aparthotels near the metro in pompeii loureiro and near lagoa. Try Belavista-rio.com, they have a number of really nice, but expensive aparthotels, owner speaks fluent English.

[Neverenuff]

Found an apt on Miguel Lemos. Beachfront. Is this a good area in terms of convenience to GDP beach, restaurants, nightlife, safety?

[Jan 156]

found an apt on miguel lemos. beachfront. is this a good area in terms of convenience to gdp beach, restaurants, nightlife, safety?

well it's a few yards from the front of help so except for that no worse than many areas of copa for safety and restaurants etc. metro is not far and it's one stop to the area with miami peep and several termas.

[Neverenuff]

Found an apt on Miguel Lemos. Beachfront. Is this a good area in terms of convenience to GDP beach, restaurants, nightlife, safety?Well, before anyone could answer, I booked the apt/cellphone/one way airport pickup. From wonderfulcity. This is the link to the apt. 70us per night. What do experienced guys think? It is my first time to Rio and time is running out so I had to book something and this seemed nice.

http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/eng/site_imoveis_detalhes.asp?id=884&id_parent=880

[Xpartan]

Gents,

Does anybody know the following B&B places? Reviews of those who stayed at one of these Hotels are kindly requested!

http://www.casabeleza.net
http://casa579.com
http://www.altosdesantateresa.com
http://www.hotelinrio.net/Long time lurker, first time poster here. Do you know where it is? I've never stayed in any of those properties, but I wouldn't stay in Santa Teresa regardless. Don't get me wrong. It's very nice for a walk and vistas (some shabby Art Deco charm, though decaying), but it's not a safe neighborhood, and transportation in and out will be a pain. No nightlife, other than holes in the wall, as well, though I got to admit I was there last time 2 years ago, so things could've changed.

[Pipe Layer99]

You have an excellent location for GdP, beach and restaurants.
The night life will be just outside your door on the left and the right.
Its just as safe there as any part of Rio in my opinion. If you party/drink at Meia Pataca or go to Help (right outside your window) it will be very safe for you because you only have to walk a few yards to your apt.

Good Find Buddy. When are you going?




Found an apt on Miguel Lemos. Beachfront. Is this a good area in terms of convenience to GDP beach, restaurants, nightlife, safety?

[JuiceGuy]

Please let me know if anyone has dealt with Riopenthouses.com and if they are trustworthy. Still trying to get an apartment through the other realtor but the available choices near the beach are not looking so good.

Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

[JohnnyBraz]

Please let me know if anyone has dealt with Riopenthouses.com and if they are trustworthy. Still trying to get an apartment through the other realtor but the available choices near the beach are not looking so good.

Any info is appreciated. Thanks.I have used them a few times and always excellent results.) must be the best rental agencie I have used.

[Wantafanta]

Thanks ABZ for your response.

I did some more research on the princess promenade and it is actually quite expensive for me. It is $107usd a night, which isn't bad, but that adds up for a month. I didn't see any monthly rates.

I was really hoping to find a nice aparthotel for under $1500usd for the month since it will be low season. I wish I had enough money for something amazing.

So let me ask you guys a few questions since everyone on here seems so gung ho about apartments.

-Do you buy your own towels, sheets, toilet paper, etc?

I would want clean sheets and towels after a girl comes over.

-Do you hire a cleaning lady? If yes, how much are they?

-Do these apartment buildings have a washers/dryers in the basement or do you have to carry your clothes out to a laundromat?

-Generally how much are the utilities for an apartment? Never rented in Brazil before.

Maybe these questions are a little noob, but they are genuine concerns of mine. If I can't find a reasonable aparthotel, I will go the apartment route and suck up some of the luxuries of being pampered.

If anyone knows aparthotels that give monthly rates, please share!

Thanks

[Sperto]

-Do you buy your own towels, sheets, toilet paper, etc?
I would want clean sheets and towels after a girl comes over.
-Do you hire a cleaning lady? If yes, how much are they?
-Do these apartment buildings have a washers/dryers in the basement or do you have to carry your clothes out to a laundromat?
-Generally how much are the utilities for an apartment? Never rented in Brazil before.
It depends on from whom you rent.
From my experience I tell you:
- Always plenty of towels, sheets etc. Toilet paper I buy myself.
- I always clean the apartment myself, or have a GF to do it. It shouldn't be a problem to have a cleaning lady coming over.
- Washing. You can bring your stuff to a laundromat. The apartments I rent always have a washing machine in the bathroom, which I find very convenient.
- The rent for one month. I've no idea how much an agency will charge. I always rent from private owners. Apartments in good location close to the beach and Help. A conjugado cost R$ 800-1000/month. A sala e quarto (one bedroom and one living room) cost R$ 1500/month. These are the prices during high season, but not during Carnival or New Year. Low season is cheaper. Apartments down towards the Prado Junior area are cheaper.

Good luck.

[Wantafanta]

Sperto,

That was very informative, thank you so much. At that rate, I can't not go with an apartment.

Would it be okay with you, if I were to pm you about more details on getting one of these private apartments? I will purchase my subscription soon.

Thanks

[Sperto]

Sperto,
That was very informative, thank you so much. At that rate, I can't not go with an apartment.
Would it be okay with you, if I were to pm you about more details on getting one of these private apartments? I will purchase my subscription soon.
Thanks
Wantafanta, one reason that I get good rates when renting apartments from private owners is because they are not accustomed to rent to gringos. It's not in my interest to share these contacts with other people.

I'll be happy to share all kind of information about where you can get laid for a cheap buck, but my apto contacts I don't share (only with some of my closest buddies). Sorry.

I think you'll be better of renting from one of the agencys, like rioapartments.com etc.

[Off Road]

The agencies will charge a bit more, but you will get better service, especially if you have a problem. There are many with american owners and speak english. I now work for one of them, but doing long term, relocation rentals for executives.

[Wantafanta]

Sperto,

No worries about the contacts. I'll see what kind of a deal I can get through the agencies. I already contacted some and there seems to be a huge range in price for a studio or a one bedroom.

Some places seem to cater to the "gringo" and offer $1500usd for a studio, which seems outrageous. Granted they look nice in the pictures. Other sites have less fancy apartments but you can get an extra room for only $2000R without utilities.

I need to find something in between. I'll post what I find.

[Neverenuff]

Well, thewonderfulcity contacted me today to let me know the apartment they confirmed for me on Miguel Lemos isn't available bc it was already booked by someone else. I have only one week until my trip. Please recommend something solid. I'd like an oceanfront one bedroom with ocean view in the best location. At this point I'll even consider a hotel.

Thanks

[Neverenuff]

Well, thewonderfulcity is trying to make right by me by offering me this for 7 nights.

http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/eng/site_imoveis_detalhes.asp?id=1730&id_parent=881

and then moving me to this for my last night.

http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/eng/site_imoveis_detalhes.asp?id=1133&id_parent=880

Are these good locations? It will be a pain to move from one place to the next but supposedly they are only across the street from one another so I don't think I mind the move much (it would help me to get my sh-t packed a day early).

[Rio Bob]

Well, thewonderfulcity is trying to make right by me by offering me this for 7 nights.

http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/eng/site_imoveis_detalhes.asp?id=1730&id_parent=881

and then moving me to this for my last night.

http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/eng/site_imoveis_detalhes.asp?id=1133&id_parent=880

Are these good locations? It will be a pain to move from one place to the next but supposedly they are only across the street from one another so I don't think I mind the move much (it would help me to get my sh-t packed a day early).

These apartments are 1 block from the beach more or less behing the Marriott hotel. IMHO a better location than Miguel Lemos and I don't like that Miguel Lemos building on the corner of Ave Atlantica, too many tourists and just not nice.

These apartments are on a very nice street, in a very nice neighborhood, I have been in the second one and have always considered it for renting but just never did.

These apts are about 5 blocks from Help, the cross street is more or less Rua Santa Clara.

I think this is better than Miguel Lemos, more residential area.

[Wantafanta]

Has anyone rented from Copacabana Holiday recently?

I read some old posts saying some negative things about this agency. Such as showing really old pictures of a now run-down apartment.

Also if they quote me $2500R for the month, how much do you think I can counteroffer with?

Still searching for something decent and reasonable.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

So, my friends and I are going to Rio in the off season, mid to late August? We have found out apartments are the greater value for the money and we are tyring to decide between getting a Large Apartment for all 6 of us or Simply having people break off into two man groups and get 4 2 bedroom apartments. I have emailed several apartment companies/services and haven't received any info that has be significant, like blameitonrio.com Now we want to have as many guest over as we want and don't want crap from people at the front saying the girl isn't registered (like in Phuket, but whatever) and WIFI if possible. A safe neighborhood will be nice too very close to beach action, nightclubs, termas and girls. I'm sure an apartment company will make us a good deal on the rooms if we all stay in the same building. But, like I said I haven't found anything significant yet; Any advice or recommendations?

Blkbigbootyluvr

[Abzsafado]

So, my friends and I are going to Rio in the off season, mid to late August? We have found out apartments are the greater value for the money and we are tyring to decide between getting a Large Apartment for all 6 of us or Simply having people break off into two man groups and get 4 2 bedroom apartments. I have emailed several apartment companies/services and haven't received any info that has be significant, like blameitonrio.com Now we want to have as many guest over as we want and don't want crap from people at the front saying the girl isn't registered (like in Phuket, but whatever) and WIFI if possible. A safe neighborhood will be nice too very close to beach action, nightclubs, termas and girls. I'm sure an apartment company will make us a good deal on the rooms if we all stay in the same building. But, like I said I haven't found anything significant yet; Any advice or recommendations?

Blkbigbootyluvr
Try aluguetemporada.com.br or www.belavista-rio.com/ first one is a sight that private individuals use to advertise their places. Belavista is a small agency with decent places, she might be able to get you two or three apartments in the same block. They are not cheap but they are well equipped.

[Chief Justice]

Has anyone ever stayed at thr VIP Motel?

http://www.vipsmotel.com. Br/unidade_selecao. Aspx? Sid=1

They look nice but it says for 8 hrs. Are they just for hourly use?

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

Try aluguetemporada.com.br or www.belavista-rio.com/ first one is a sight that private individuals use to advertise their places. Belavista is a small agency with decent places, she might be able to get you two or three apartments in the same block. They are not cheap but they are well equipped.Thanks.

Nice rooms.

[Poucolouco]

Has anyone ever stayed at thr vip motel?

http://www.vipsmotel.com. Br/unidade_selecao. Aspx? Sid=1

They look nice but it says for 8 hrs. Are they just for hourly use?

In Basil, a motel is not the same as in the U.S. They are designed with amenities for adventurous sex, including spas, small pools, love saddles, etc. They have rate structures for short periods from 4 hours up to 24 hours. They usually have discrete entry and check-in, some with garages and secure pass-throughs for presenting your money or credit card without ever coming face to face with the attendants. You can drive in, select your love suite, fuck, take a nap, eat breakfast and discretely check out without being seen.

[Chief Justice]

In Basil, a motel is not the same as in the U.S. They are designed with amenities for adventurous sex, including spas, small pools, love saddles, etc. They have rate structures for short periods from 4 hours up to 24 hours. They usually have discrete entry and check-in, some with garages and secure pass-throughs for presenting your money or credit card without ever coming face to face with the attendants. You can drive in, select your love suite, fuck, take a nap, eat breakfast and discretely check out without being seen.Ohok. I so its only for short periods of time. The pictures look real nice.

[Chief Justice]

In Basil, a motel is not the same as in the U.S. They are designed with amenities for adventurous sex, including spas, small pools, love saddles, etc. They have rate structures for short periods from 4 hours up to 24 hours. They usually have discrete entry and check-in, some with garages and secure pass-throughs for presenting your money or credit card without ever coming face to face with the attendants. You can drive in, select your love suite, fuck, take a nap, eat breakfast and discretely check out without being seen.How far is it from 4x4 and places like tht?

[JohnnyBraz]

How far is it from 4x4 and places like tht?Vip's and sinless are in leblon. Sinless is the cheaper option.

[Abzsafado]

How far is it from 4x4 and places like tht?
It is a long way from 4x4 on the road to Barra just past the Sheraton as you come out of Leblon. The entrance is a little hidden. There are two other cheaper motels just opposite the Sheraton, the Sinless and Shalimar. But VIP's, pronounced veeps, is the crown jewel of Rio motels, Playboy's motel of the year multiple times. Women love it. They boast about being there to their friends. The pictures on the website don't do it justice. Go for one of the more expensive suites HiTech, Freedom or Sol. Be careful going there late at night usually there is a police blitz nearby and you might be stopped and searched for drugs. At 2am it might take 10 minutes to get there from Barbarellas, but late on it's best to call ahead to check they have a decent suite.

[Marcop 12]

It is a long way from 4x4 on the road to Barra just past the Sheraton as you come out of Leblon. The entrance is a little hidden. There are two other cheaper motels just opposite the Sheraton, the Sinless and Shalimar. But VIP's, pronounced veeps, is the crown jewel of Rio motels, Playboy's motel of the year multiple times. Women love it. They boast about being there to their friends. The pictures on the website don't do it justice. Go for one of the more expensive suites HiTech, Freedom or Sol. Be careful going there late at night usually there is a police blitz nearby and you might be stopped and searched for drugs. At 2am it might take 10 minutes to get there from Barbarellas, but late on it's best to call ahead to check they have a decent suite.Abzsafado I take it the Shalimar is also known as Nosso? I've heard of Shalimar before and thought it was up there past Leblon in the Sinless area but came across Nosso by accident after Sinless was indeed FULL but worked out great and had several visits to Nosso since and had no problems and prices great R53$ 3rd cheapest room Exectiva. It was just out of interest as myself or anyone else I spoke to had heard of Nosso, but the girl referred to it as that and definetly a sign saying Nosso at the place, just wondering if it is same place or changed name or something?

[Chief Justice]

It is a long way from 4x4 on the road to Barra just past the Sheraton as you come out of Leblon. The entrance is a little hidden. There are two other cheaper motels just opposite the Sheraton, the Sinless and Shalimar. But VIP's, pronounced veeps, is the crown jewel of Rio motels, Playboy's motel of the year multiple times. Women love it. They boast about being there to their friends. The pictures on the website don't do it justice. Go for one of the more expensive suites HiTech, Freedom or Sol. Be careful going there late at night usually there is a police blitz nearby and you might be stopped and searched for drugs. At 2am it might take 10 minutes to get there from Barbarellas, but late on it's best to call ahead to check they have a decent suite.Whats the best place to stay near the action?

[Ryjerrob]

Here are a few sites:

http://www.praialidohotel.com.br/

http://www.hotelshalimar.com.br/default.htm

http://www.sinless.com.br/

http://www.vipsmotel.com.br/

[Abzsafado]

Whats the best place to stay near the action?
It depends how you quantify best and which action you are talking about?
In Copacabana are:
-the Copa Linda, a cheap dive frequented by trannies but very near the action and useful if you are doing a threesome and can't get two women into your hotel.
-the Copa Mar, a bit more upmarket but tainted by the manager being involved in credit card scams. It used to allow you to pay for the room and girls on the card but they got caught out taking a bit more than they were supposed to.
- the Praia Lido near balcony and princesa isabel, probably the best in Copa but a bit pricey for what it is. Not to be confused with the Lido motel on Ministeiros. The Praia Lido is often recommended by girls because they get commission for bringing you, usually R$40-60 that they get handed in a little gold envelope when they leave.
- the Diplomat at the city end of Prado Junior, across Barato Ribeiro. Another cheap dive but clean, nothing more than a room to fuck in.
In Botafogo there are the Bambino and Panda both quite good, think VIP's without the view.
The best motels that I have used are not anywhere "near the action". VIP's is the best one I have used. But at night it is only ten minutes from the action in Copa. It is also very useful if you are getting some action from the escort agencies during the day, a lot of good agency girls come from the Barra area, Barravips etc. Also useful for a festinha, a five girls for R$600 special. You can always bring the action to where you are.
Barra and Sao Conrado have a few very good motels but unless you have got lucky in Nuth you probably won't need them. All major roads out of Rio have a few motels at very reasonable rates but if you aren't driving you won't be anywhere near them.
Which motel is best for you depends on what you need it for. If you want to bang two streetwalkers from Prado Junior and are too shy to go to your apartment then go to the Diplomat. If you want to make your GFE feel really special and spend all day sunbathing and fucking in the pool then go to VIP's. The more upmarket motels like VIP's, Sinless, Bambino etc all have a menu of sex toys and 24hr big screen porn. The top suites will have jacuzzis, saunas and pools, some have a mini dancefloor complete with pole and lights. Pay top dollar and you get good quality.

[RonnyRon]

Praia Lido near balcony and princesa isabel, probably the best in Copa but a bit pricey for what it is. Not to be confused with the Lido motel on Ministeiros.

The Hotel Lido in Copacabana (corner of Rua Ronald de Carvalho and Rua Ministro Viveiros de Castro). I have always wondered about this place. Do you have any more information about this place?

RR

[Poucolouco]

The Hotel Lido in Copacabana (corner of Rua Ronald de Carvalho and Rua Ministro Viveiros de Castro). I have always wondered about this place. Do you have any more information about this place?

RR

This place is somewhat spartan as far as motels go but it is only 2 blocks from Balcony and other GDP hangouts near Posto 2. Rooms are small with 17" TVs, basic one-person showers and small bath towels. Price is about R$40 per hour, a bit steep compared to R$75 for 6 hours at the Diamond in Gloria. However, if you latch onto a GDP in the Lido neighborhood and your dick takes over your brain it's convenient for a fastfuck.

[Jan 156]

Price is about R$40 per hour, a bit steep compared to R$75 for 6 hours at the Diamond in Gloria.

Or R$20 for a couple of hours at Canário . . . :D

[Nor Viking]

I have booked Mar Ipanema Hotel and pay $ 110 a night on yeego.com.

This is my first visit to Rio and I wanted a place a bit secure, not too far from action and hopefully I did not overpay or end up way off from the fun.

I have been reading the reports but can't find out if this hotel is a good place to bring girls. Anyone who know?

I do travel worldwide and are due for Texas two weeks from next Monday. Do now and then drop into Nuevo Laredo in Mexico form there.

Anyone else in Rio at this time? Do we join forces and have fun.

[Pelongera]

Or R$20 for a couple of hours at Canário . . . :DWhere's the Canario?

Searching this thread didn't retrieve any details.

Is it a "love" hotel?

[Black Snake]

Has anyone used RatesToGo.com for booking hotels?

[Ryjerrob]

Hotel laranjeiras
Rus das Laranjeiras, 394
55 21 2265 9108

reservas@hotellaranjeiras.com.br

www.hotellaranjeiras.com.br

Checked this place out the other day, it was interesting. Nothing really special. The rate quoted for a day was R$35. Rooms come with or without showers. The shower is right next to the toilet. Hell, I would stay there for a week if I was trying to save money.

The website isn't working but I included the info from the card anyway.

ryjer

[Sperto]

Where's the Canario?
Searching this thread didn't retrieve any details.
Is it a "love" hotel?
It's a motel close to VM.

[Abzsafado]

I see Vips motel now has a reserve online facility. Unfortunately it isn't taking reservations for the 12th & 13th of June, Brasils Valentines day. Looks like there will be a queue.

[Jbizzy979]

Question: Where is a descent place to stay in Rio thats close to the action and where I won't get hasseled for bringing girls back? I'm willing to pay around 200 americian dollars a night? Hotel or Apartment? Thanx

[Carlos Primeros]

How about you simply read the forum (RTFF). There are approx. 300 recommendations here. You will certainly find a suitable place.

Carlos

[Smokers Rule]

I may be able to get you a room at the Intercontinental Rio for $100 per night, taxes included....June only. PM me if you're interested.

[Always Randy]

....chica friendly?
....close the action?
....would you stay in, if cost was a factor?

I have never been to Brazil, so when I saw the chance to go there for the LASA Conference in June, I signed up. Boss may pay for hotel, might not. I am there for a conference, so my days will be tied up. I need to make a reservation soon, as the hotels will fill up.

Of course, I will read all the posts I can. Speak Spanish, can understand Portuguese if it spoken slow or I am reading it. I have four nights available.

Augustos Copacabana
California Othon-Standard
California Othon-Deluxe
Martinique
Savoy Othon
Everest Rio
Excelsior Copacabana
Ipanema Plaza
Miramar Palace
Olinda Othon-Standard
Olinda Othon-Deluxe
Plaza Copacabana
Rio Othon Palace-Standard
Rio Othon Palace-Superior
Inter-Continental
Marriott Hotel
Sheraton Rio

Thanks in advance.Hi I just saw this post, and it's June, so hopefully it will be still helpful. The Rio OTHON PALACE is NOT garatoa friendly! Not guest friendly either! I was there in May 2007. They have all these goons by the elevators and won't let anyone up. My buddy was with me. He stayed in a different hotel and everytime he came by, they would hassle him. Would not let him go up with me to get my jacket. I got so pissed off that I went to speak to the manager about that. He just went on about how unsafe the area was and they were there to protect my safety.

As for the girls, sure they let them in but charged a fee. I forget how much exactly but something like 50 Reais. Bonus is that the girl has to leave by 5 am Perfect when the girls hear that because then they say they can not stay all night even though that was the deal cut in side Help. Yes Help is right next to the Othon but I'd suggest you rent an apartment instead. Cheaper than the Othon and no Garatoa fees!

I didn't find the Othon staff to be particularly friendly. Seemed more like a business class and family hotel.

[Smokers Rule]

Does anyone have recent intel on the girl friendliness of the Best Western Ipanema Sol? The last definitive answer I could find on the forum was that, in 2005, they were girl friendly with a charge of R35. I tried e-mailing them, but the e-mail bounced.

[Dars Veider]

just came back from a mongering week in rio. stayed in one of the apartments of
www.thewonderfulcity.com

i was totally satisfied and can strongly recommend this rental agency.

i made the reservation by internet. i had email contact with fred (he replied always very fast) and he helped me to find one which was close to helpee in copacabana. the down payment was done via paypal and after arrival i paid the balance in cash.
on arrival i received the key from the guard (i just missed fred's mom by some minutes). on departure i met fred in the apartment block and i gave him back the key!

so overall a very good experience. will be renting with them again next time!

cheers,

dv

[Junior]

Hi,

I am planning my 4 week trip to lovely Rio in December and have contacted a few agencies about renting an apartment. I have indicated a price of up to R200 a noite for a 1 bedroom in Copa (posto 5 or 6) or Ipanema.

What kind of apartment is "the right one" for that price? I mean how much (or little) can I reasonably expect?

As an alternative I have looked at the Mercure apartments. Does anyone have experience with them? Are they guest friendly?

Junior

[Prosal]

As an alternative I have looked at the Mercure apartments. Does anyone have experience with them? Are they guest friendly?
I've stayed at three of the four Mercure Apartments in Rio, and in Sao Paulo they are also my place of choice. No problems to bring back a girl or two.

Mercure Aparts are a great choice if you have the budget. Expect to pay 320 reals/day minimum at the Ipanema, Leblon or Arpoador branches, a bit less at the Botafogo one. BTW the Mercure Apt Botafogo is my favorite. The neighborhood is definitely the most enjoyable in Rio with plenty of barzinhos and nice shops and the balcony apartamentos that have direct views on the Cristo are just perfect.

If you stay in the Ipanema branch, prefer the rooms (1 bedroom apartments) on the upper floors facing av Rainha Elizabeth, they have nice lateral views on the sea.

[Abzsafado]

If you are looking for a girl friendly apart hotel near MP and Help you can't get much better than the Promenade Princess. It's available on Expedia for about R$250 to 300 per night at the moment. For anyone trying to break out of staying in a hotel but not ready for an apartment it is perfect. Only problem is that they charge for internet access. Its more expensive than a proper apartment but you get breakfast and a cleaner every day.

[Birds]

I'm treating myself to a couple nights in Rio during a 3 week bird wtaching trip to SE Brazil. Unfortunately there is no way my itinerary works without having a rent-a-car in Rio. So I'm looking at some Copa hotels in the 200R area with parking, and see: Mar Palace

Premiere Copa

APA

Best Western

Atlantico Copa

Real Palace

Any advice. Recommendations? Also, any use for my car here, like Corcovado or going to Centro at night? (I've driven in Bangkok, Lima, and Boston but never enjoyed it)

Thanks

[Gruhmbards]

I'm treating myself to a couple nights in Rio during a 3 week bird wtaching trip to SE Brazil. Unfortunately there is no way my itinerary works without having a rent-a-car in Rio. So I'm looking at some Copa hotels in the 200R area with parking, and see: Mar Palace

Premiere Copa

APA

Best Western

Atlantico Copa

Real Palace

Any advice. Recommendations? Also, any use for my car here, like Corcovado or going to Centro at night? (I've driven in Bangkok, Lima, and Boston but never enjoyed it)

ThanksYou will always find a garage near the hotel. My piece of advice will be to rent a car with a GPS device.

[Sunset Strip]

just came back from a mongering week in rio. stayed in one of the apartments of
www.thewonderfulcity.com

i was totally satisfied and can strongly recommend this rental agency.

i made the reservation by internet. i had email contact with fred (he replied always very fast) and he helped me to find one which was close to helpee in copacabana. the down payment was done via paypal and after arrival i paid the balance in cash.
on arrival i received the key from the guard (i just missed fred's mom by some minutes). on departure i met fred in the apartment block and i gave him back the key!

so overall a very good experience. will be renting with them again next time!

cheers,

dv
looks good. good prices. which apartment did you stay in and can you give a review of that specific apartment?
total costs, any discounts, street noise, cable tv (english channels, etc. or just brazilian), a/c (did it work), ceiling fan.

thanks,
tj

[Almotu]

Just came back from a mongering week in Rio. Stayed in one of the apartments of www.thewonderfulcity.com

I was totally satisfied and can strongly recommend this rental agency. ...

Cheers,

DVDid the apartment you booked look like the photos on the site? How many days did you stay? How many days of housekeeping (change sheets, towels and cleaning) were included?

[Rio Bob]

Did the apartment you booked look like the photos on the site? How many days did you stay? How many days of housekeeping (change sheets, towels and cleaning) were included?

I don't know how new this agency is, Margareth and her brother started it about 25 years ago. They are solid people

[Member #3439]

I'm treating myself to a couple nights in Rio during a 3 week bird wtaching trip to SE Brazil. Unfortunately there is no way my itinerary works without having a rent-a-car in Rio. So I'm looking at some Copa hotels in the 200R area with parking, and see: Mar Palace

Premiere Copa

APA

Best Western

Atlantico Copa

Real Palace

Any advice. Recommendations? Also, any use for my car here, like Corcovado or going to Centro at night? (I've driven in Bangkok, Lima, and Boston but never enjoyed it)

ThanksAtlantico Copa and Copa Premier are both in a good neighborhood right next to the subway station and not far from Copa beach. They are confirmed girl friendly and Premier has free wireless. I advise not to drive in Rio because of the policia. Return the car on the way into town and take a cab to your hotel from the rental car agency.

If you want to go to Centro, you can walk across the street and take the subway for R$2,80. Take the subway from across the street Siqueria Campos Station to the Uruguiania station, a 20 minute ride, and you'll be within a few blocks of all the major centro ho houses. For Corvocado, you can walk two blocks toward the beach and take a public bus from Rua Barata Ribeiro for R$2,20 that will stop right at the base of the mountain where the train starts.

[Devilspinkick]

Howdy,

I'll return to Rio in September and am thinking about staying in Copacabana again for the first time in a few years. Anyone know whether the Oceano Copacabana or the Astoria Copacabana hotels are girl-friendly or not? How about the Accore Hotels? I think there is a Mercure Hotel in Copa. It's been so long since I've stayed in Copa that I have no idea what places are GF anymore. Too bad there isn't a posted list of hotels that allow visitors.

Well if anyone has recent experience about those hotels (or others) feel free to share some info.

Thanks - DSK

[Turf Builder]

Anyone know if these hotels in Rio are girl friendly?

Premier Copacabana
Hotel Atlantico Copacabana
Windsor Plaza Copacabana
Orla Copacabana
Windsor Miramar
Arpoadar Inn
Copacabana Sol
Hotel Vermont
Luxor Continental
Atlantis Copacabana

Appreciate any info

TB

[Max Thunder]

Not sure if it was already mentioned here but I just got back from Brazil and tried to stay at Rio Othon Palace. They wont let you bring girls to your room and the big ass guards at the door will stop your girl. Besides that, its a waste of money, find a person that rents apartments out. Its cheaper and better.

[Gruhmbards]

Did the apartment you booked look like the photos on the site? How many days did you stay? How many days of housekeeping (change sheets, towels and cleaning) were included?I booked with Margareth several times, usually stay at the studios at Rua Santa Clara. Once or twice I rented a 3 bedroom at Ipanema.

The apartments did look as the photos, there´s no photoshop there but obviously some difference you can find.

Regarding housekeeping is something that I always arranged separately from the rent price. Margareth can send you someone to clean the apartment, last time I think it was 20 reales.

THe best thing is to ask, as they have some apartments with that service included in the rent price.

[Koolkid]

Rua Barao de Ipanema on the corner of Rua Domingos Ferreira.

I'm looking around at apartments for my next trip and found a nice apartment
which is located here. Just wondering if anyone has any info on the safety of this area. Also location of banks and grocery stores.

I stayed on Rua Almirante Gonçalves last time and had no problems walking back late at night from help. Would this be the same for this apartment.

Thanks

[Jan 156]

Rua Barao de Ipanema on the corner of Rua Domingos Ferreira.

I'm looking around at apartments for my next trip and found a nice apartment
which is located here. Just wondering if anyone has any info on the safety of this area. Also location of banks and grocery stores.

I stayed on Rua Almirante Gonçalves last time and had no problems walking back late at night from help. Would this be the same for this apartment.

Thanks

I rather feel the problem was not the exact location as walking home from Help, which is precarious wherever you stay. If Help is high on your list, maybe you'll want to address the problem rather than avoid it - it's a bit close for a taxi after all.

I have walked back from Help many times, and all the way to Prado J. But I'm reasonably experienced at avoiding trouble. NS Copa has an advantage over the streets you mention perhaps as it's a big wide street, you can walk on the bus shelter side (where there's people, all night) and cross over if you spot characters you want to avoid. For groceries, the 24hr supermarket on NSCopa (walk east from Help a stretch) and banks and cash machines dotted all along that street.

[Prosal]

Rua Barao de Ipanema on the corner of Rua Domingos Ferreira.
Keep in mind that this area is bordered by Cantagalo/Pavao-Pavaozinho, one of Zona Sul largest favela (in fact three favelas in one).

I stayed one month in a friend's apartment rua Sa Ferreira (same neighborhood), right in front of the favela's entrance, and nonetheless never had a problem, even when I went late at night down the last "after-Help" beers at the barraca up the alley inside the favela.

[Uzinuzin]

I'm a bit confused, I read in a few posts that said don't walk back from Help late at night even if you are staying 100m away from it (get a taxi). Then some people suggested to catch the metro back from centro after 10pm, then walk a few blocks to your flat (late at night! isn't that just as bad?). And in the posts below guys are saying they do walk back from Help !

Of course there's always the mention of how much hassle it is to get a honest taxi in front of Help. Also, would you get a taxi for 100m !? Driver probably gets pissed off ...

Well, what should first-time visitors do with all these contradictory suggestions....how safe is walking in Copa late at night ?!

[Buscemi]

it is really not that safe right around helpee, it is a known spot for tourists to be robbed, i made the 3 minute walk from helpee to rua xavier da silveira a few times without incident, but have been followed. ave atlantica is safe for a block or two, but the side streets are where the young thugs hide. just be aware of your surroundings if you walk.

most gdp's will not want to walk a few blocks. it is worth the r5-r6 to be safe.

avoid the taxi crew in front of helpee, the ones in front of bob's are a little better, but i would hail a taxi that's moving.

if you do take a cab, insist on the meter and hail a moving taxi from ave atlantica. make sure you know the shortest route, many copa taxis will go around the block 5x and miss your stop, the old "one way street trick".

[Amerioca]

I'm a bit confused, I read in a few posts that said don't walk back from Help late at night even if you are staying 100m away from it (get a taxi). Then some people suggested to catch the metro back from centro after 10pm, then walk a few blocks to your flat (late at night! isn't that just as bad?). And in the posts below guys are saying they do walk back from Help !

Of course there's always the mention of how much hassle it is to get a honest taxi in front of Help. Also, would you get a taxi for 100m !? Driver probably gets pissed off ...

Well, what should first-time visitors do with all these contradictory suggestions....how safe is walking in Copa late at night ?!

I have never taken a taxi in front of Help. My stays have usually been within a two or three block radius of Help, and I foot it. I do carry small change for the kids, and watch my 'six, at all times.

From the Metro stations, at night, I never had a problem footing it back to the apto. At times, when I am tired, I will catch a taxi.

From Luomo's, I usually catch a taxi out front. At times, I go across to the favella entrada and catch a moto for a few Rs...heh.

[Jan 156]

I don't think anyone's suggesting there's black and white answers on this. If it's your first time in Copa, always be careful. There is no absolute 'safety zone' - this is Brasil, not Geneva or Kyoto. Some areas are more crime-ridden than others, the area in front of Help when you come out being one of them ('when you come out' being early hours of the morning, not 10 o'clock at night). The taxis near Bob's - a few yards away - are generally honest taxis, whereas the ones directly in front are often rip-off artists.

Cantagalo station area is quite quiet - not usually dodgy - getting your bearings the first time you come out is the hardest bit lol - which way is the beach - not obvious.

I have often walked home from Help at any time of night but I have been coming to Rio for years. I didn't recommend it to a newbie.

It's simple really and has been said many times. If you see dodgy characters loitering, avoid them. Brush past quickly, walk the other way, run if necessary (exceptions might be if you are an ex-marine, like one chap on here.) Get taxis until you're familiar with how to conduct yourself. Don't carry excess cash, cameras or credit cards and don't draw attention. Dress, walk and talk like a local as much as poss (not the same as just knowing Porto). Buses are fairly safe. Metro is very safe indeed. Taxis are safe unless you happen to get a nutter crook of a driver. Police are not necessarily safe (tourist police are safer).

No-one can give you a cast iron guaranteed method of not getting robbed. General consensus is don't fight if you are mugged - usually, violence only occurs when you resist (unlike the US or UK). Stay reasonably sober while you're learning the ropes.

[Shemp]

I stayed 4 or 5 times in an apt. At corner of Barao de Ipa. #22/Dom. Ferr. Prosal doesn't know what in the hell he is talking about, it's nowhere near Cantagalo favela/SaFerr. Area. It's in Posto 4 betwn R. Bolivar & Con. Ramos. For banks/markets walk 1/2 block to av. N. S. De Copa, turn right for Citibank & HSBC, Left for Zona Sul market. I loved the area & the bldg., few tourists in that area using the businesses, boites etc.-you feel like a local. The walk back to the area is a little longer than going back the other way to R. Al. Goncalvez but if you felt ok then it's no problem.

[Abzsafado]

Keep in mind that this area is bordered by Cantagalo/Pavao-Pavaozinho, one of Zona Sul largest favela (in fact three favelas in one).

I stayed one month in a friend's apartment rua Sa Ferreira (same neighborhood), right in front of the favela's entrance, and nonetheless never had a problem, even when I went late at night down the last "after-Help" beers at the barraca up the alley inside the favela.

Sa Ferreira and Domingo Ferreira are very similar in name but a million miles apart in style.
The area round Domingo Ferreira between Constante Ramos and Bolivar is probably one of the best bits to stay in Copa. Rua Bolivar on the beach end has changed a lot over the last few years. Most of the popular local chain bars, eg; Belmonte, Devassa, Informal, have outlets in that area. Its probably the best area in Copa for chilling out away from but close to the action.
Sa Ferreira close to the beach is OK but once you cross over Nossa Senhora you are in bandit country. A friend of mine lived right beside the favela, when you looked out her window you looked directly on to it 20 yards away. Had to lie on the floor when the bullets started flying.

[Prosal]

Sa Ferreira and Domingo Ferreira are very similar in name but a million miles apart in style.
Thanks for the explaination.

I stayed in Copacabana a few times, and sometimes for extensive periods, but as I usually monger and party elsewhere, I am admittedly not really familiar with the area.

The story about your friend reminds me that I spent a few years ago a week or so in Ducasse Hotel (also rua Sa Ferreira), which directly faces Pavao-Pavaozinho. Didn't choose a room viewing the favela though.

Ducasse is a rather interesting hotel, quite convenient for the monger. Bright rooms with balcony, quite cheap, girl friendly, ect. And despite the favela vicinity, location isn't that bad IMO, at a short and pleasant walk to Gen. Osorio and Ipanema.

[Koolkid]

I stayed 4 or 5 times in an apt. At corner of Barao de Ipa. #22/Dom. Ferr. Prosal doesn't know what in the hell he is talking about, it's nowhere near Cantagalo favela/SaFerr. Area. It's in Posto 4 betwn R. Bolivar & Con. Ramos. For banks/markets walk 1/2 block to av. N. S. De Copa, turn right for Citibank & HSBC, Left for Zona Sul market. I loved the area & the bldg., few tourists in that area using the businesses, boites etc.-you feel like a local. The walk back to the area is a little longer than going back the other way to R. Al. Goncalvez but if you felt ok then it's no problem.


Thanks for the info/

[Prosal]

Prosal doesn't know what in the hell he is talking about.
As I said to Safado, I thought Domingo Ferreira was a perpendicular of Sa Ferreira. My bad.

Your 5 or 6 short mongering trips to Rio have certainly made of you an expert, and you're undoubtedly as much enlightened about brasilian culture as you are about Copacabana topography (not even talking about your language skills), but no need to be that condescending and offensive.

[Exec Talent]

As I said to Safado, I thought Domingo Ferreira was a perpendicular of Sa Ferreira. My bad.

Your 5 or 6 short mongering trips to Rio have certainly made of you an expert, and you're undoubtedly as much enlightened about brasilian culture as you are about Copacabana topography (not even talking about your language skills), but no need to be that condescending and offensive.
Prosal,

The issue quite simply is this - you seem to feel a need to jump in all the time to show how much you know about Rio whether you do or not. It is like talking with a guy and relating your experiences all the while he is not listening but anxious to tell you his story no matter how unrelated. It is thoughtless and inconsiderate.

Jimmy -- I just had open heart surgery.
Prosal -- Yeah, I know all about that, my cousin Milly on my mother's sister's uncle's side just had a hang nail removed. It was painful just listenting to her talk about it.

Putting out misinformation, as you did in this case, does more harm than good.

[Prosal]

The issue
You are suffering from weak memory obviously.

Seems you didn't had any issue with me when you literally flooded my mailbox with PMs asking silly and rather weird questions about freebie scenes in EE and begged for infos about Romania and Moldova. Places where you've obviously finally never been btw. I also remember other ones where you whined about the "losers and wannabees" harrassing you here, where you tried to flatter me about how you appreciated my "added-value" posts in the brasilian forums, or where you digressed with irrelevant rambling nonsense like on this PM that you sent me two years ago and that I miraculously did not deleted : "...Growing up, my best friend, who also happened to be my girlfriend, had little patience for pretenders. She was absolutely brilliant, president of the student body for two years and named top student in her class. My best male friend was the school's top athlete ...ect". Weird.

Anyhow the more I travel to East Europe and the Stans and the less I'm interested by Brasil, so expect my contribution (misinformation as you say) on the various brasilian threads to lower significantly. If you miss me check the Uzbekistan forums.

The good news is that it will leave more space for your judicious, informative and elaborate considerations and self-reflections about mongering in Brasil, which are not only great overviews loaded with good infos and tips of high added-value for the monger and the non-pro player, but also incredibly entertaining narratives, pearls of wisdom about brasilian culture and customs and astonishly accurate analysis of brasileiras psyche.

:rolleyes:

[Shemp]

Anyhow the more I travel to East Europe and the Stans and the less I'm interested by Brasil, so expect my contribution (misinformation as you say) on the various brasilian threads to lower significantly

Amen & Hallelujah!

[Prosal]

I'm a mongering veteran of Tijuana making my maiden mongering voyage from Las Vegas to Rio
No need to elaborate.

ROFLMAO

[Shemp]

No need to elaborate.

ROFLMAOProsal what is it with you? You highlight a post of mine re: making my maiden voyage to Rio-yeah, that post was from 5 years ago before I made my 1st trip in Oct. '04. I'll be renewing my 5-year visa shortly. Since then I've made 14 more trips so I think I know something about the scene in Rio-at least I know a Sa Ferriera from a Domingos Ferriera.

Why you think I've been there just a few times I don't know. I stated I stayed at R. Barao de Ipanema # 22, 4 or 5 times, among my 15 visits to Rio. Why are you so hell bent on trying to make others on this board sound unknowledgeable when in fact your were the 1 quoting misinformation?

[Piper1]

Surely you didn't book your apartment through gringomanagement.com That would make some of the grumpy old members here wet their pants. ;)

Good to see you had a fantastic time, and like you, I recommend gringomanagement - great apartments, great service.
The apartment was very big for a Rio one bedroom, the bed was king size, fit 3 easy, can even do a 4th if need be. It's on Rua Figueredo Magahlaes 1 block from the beach, good section of Copa, good TV with cable and fast internet. Other members on this board know it too and have stayed there. PM me for more details. Or take a look here apartment # 120 http://www.gringomanagement.com/onebedroomspage3.html

[Uzinuzin]

I found a few apartments on this site that I like but can't find any feedback on them anywhere on any forum or the web, anyone knows them or used them:

apartmentsholiday.com (has all prices in €, so must be European... !)

I have other options (like rioapartments etc.), but wanted to see if these guys can also be relied on....

(Edit: Actually just did Whois on the domain. It's owned by an Italian Elio Vespa, he's in fact the guy who replied to my emails - anyone dealt with him ?)

[Exec Talent]

I found a few apartments on this site that I like but can't find any feedback on them anywhere on any forum or the web, anyone knows them or used them:

apartmentsholiday.com (has all prices in €, so must be European... !)

I have other options (like rioapartments etc.), but wanted to see if these guys can also be relied on....

(Edit: Actually just did Whois on the domain. It's owned by an Italian Elio Vespa, he's in fact the guy who replied to my emails - anyone dealt with him ?)
Uzinuzin,
The site you mentioned seems to be one that rents apartments all over the world. If you are going the agency route, the best rates and service can be gotten from local Rio agencies with onsite representatives. Those recommended here time and time again (in alphabetical order).

www.amerioca.net
www.ez-riorentals.com
www.rioapartments.com
www.thewonderfulcity.com

You may luck out and get good service from agencies with entire threads devoted to complaints against them, but why take the chance? Often the same apartments they rent can be gotten through another more reputable agency.

[Hughdad]

Uzinuzin,

The site you mentioned seems to be one that rents apartments all over the world. If you are going the agency route, the best rates and service can be gotten from local Rio agencies with onsite representatives. Those recommended here time and time again (in alphabetical order).

www.amerioca.net
www.ez-riorentals.com
www.rioapartments.com
www.thewonderfulcity.com

You may luck out and get good service from agencies with entire threads devoted to complaints against them, but why take the chance? Often the same apartments they rent can be gotten through another more reputable agency.I just had a great experience with Federico at thewonderfulcity.com. And a friend had great experience with Ken at EZ-riorentals.com. Both easy going and accomodating. Good apartments, good prices, good areas. Why make things complicated?

[Pelongera]

I’m looking for a “love motel” near St Teresa. I searched through the site and discovered these three. If you’ve had any experience with them, please let me know. (or if you have any suggestions, please don’t hesitate.)

So far, Lips looks like the best price, although I cannot confirm online the price below.

Diamond Hotel
http://www.diamondhotel.com.br/
Rua da Glória, 46 - Glória
Rio de Janeiro - RJ, 20241180, Brazil
2253-6262 e 2274-3247 e 2253-6385
6hours: R64.50; 12hrs, 82,50; daily, 165,00

Lips
http://www.guiademoteis.com.br/moteis/887/Lips-Hotel.aspx
Rua Senador Dantas nº 46- Centro (Cinelandia)
Tel.: (21)2210 3235
4h: R42,00?;

Love Time Hotel
http://www.lovetimehotel.com.br/
R. do Catete nº 63- Glória or Catete?
Tel.(21)2558 1911
21 2558-7098
Period of 4 hours
- Suite Single U.S. $ 053.00
- Suite with Whirlpool R $ 070.00
- Panoramic Suite U.S. $ 084.00
- Suite R $ 084.00 Time Love
- Master Suite U.S. $ 126.00

[Exec Talent]

I’m looking for a “love motel” near St Teresa. I searched through the site and discovered these three. If you’ve had any experience with them, please let me know. (or if you have any suggestions, please don’t hesitate.)

So far, Lips looks like the best price, although I cannot confirm online the price below.

Diamond Hotel
http://www.diamondhotel.com.br/
Rua da Glória, 46 - Glória
Rio de Janeiro - RJ, 20241180, Brazil
2253-6262 e 2274-3247 e 2253-6385
6hours: R64.50; 12hrs, 82,50; daily, 165,00

Lips
http://www.guiademoteis.com.br/moteis/887/Lips-Hotel.aspx
Rua Senador Dantas nº 46- Centro (Cinelandia)
Tel.: (21)2210 3235
4h: R42,00?;

Love Time Hotel
http://www.lovetimehotel.com.br/
R. do Catete nº 63- Glória or Catete?
Tel.(21)2558 1911
21 2558-7098
Period of 4 hours
- Suite Single U.S. $ 053.00
- Suite with Whirlpool R $ 070.00
- Panoramic Suite U.S. $ 084.00
- Suite R $ 084.00 Time Love
- Master Suite U.S. $ 126.00

How many thousands of questions are you going to ask before you actually come to Rio? Do a forum search. I have mentioned good experiences at Diamond as have others.

[Pelongera]

How many thousands of questions are you going to ask before you actually come to Rio? Do a forum search. I have mentioned good experiences at Diamond as have others.That's a little scary.

(1) What difference does it make to you how many germane questions are asked on ISG?

(2) What if not my having done a "forum search" does this sentence mean to you:
I searched through the site and discovered these three.

(3) As implied, I discovered your one word review and found it inadequate.

==============================================

Pelongera,


(1) What difference does it make to you how many germane questions are asked on ISG?

Exec Talent is right, and the answer to your question is: We don't need members posting the same repetitive questions that have already been answered a dozen times when all they have to do is use the Forum's Search function to find one of these previous answers.

Get it?

Thanks,

Jackson

[Hughdad]

That's a little scary.

(1) What difference does it make to you how many germane questions are asked on ISG?

Pelongera,

Exec Talent is right, and the answer to your question is: We don't need members posting the same repetitive questions that have already been answered a dozen times when all they have to do is use the Forum's Search function to find one of these previous answers.

Get it?

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]Perlongera,

You need to chill out dude. It is great to do some solid research before heading down for your first trip. But you will find that there is so much great advice in these threads if you go back and read. The search. While not perfect. Has been very helpful in finding keywords and starting points. I also found it helpful to read more posts from members that I find have my attitude and outlook. The archives are pretty well organized.

But, at the end of the day, you need to be flexible and relaxed when you go. Some women you have been researching may not be there or busy, some women you've arranged to meet may not show, a termas may be busy or slow depending whe you go, you may find yourself really enjoying a club or party and lose track of time, you may get the shits and lose a day and a half. My advice, have a general game plan of some things you want to do and see, but get there, relax and take each hour/day as it comes. Be open to the experiences, sights and opportunities that come your way. Otherwise, you will miss out.

[Pelongera]

That's a little scary.

(1) What difference does it make to you how many germane questions are asked on ISG?

(2) What if not my having done a "forum search" does this sentence mean to you:

(3) As implied, I discovered your one word review and found it inadequate.

==============================================

Pelongera,

Exec Talent is right, and the answer to your question is: We don't need members posting the same repetitive questions that have already been answered a dozen times when all they have to do is use the Forum's Search function to find one of these previous answers.

Get it?

Thanks,

JacksonNo, I do not get it. But that's okay, because I respect your wishes.

I would only say in my defense:

I meticulously included the names, addresses, and websites of the motels in the St Teresa area, of which there must dozens, so that future inquirers will not have to spend time looking through the irrelevant (and cryptic, e.g. 'decent') posts, thus bringing forward the research results from 93 pages.

But I did get this ugly message in my private mailbox from Exec Talent:

"You were starting to come across like a poor pathetic unemployed loser with nothing to do all day except post questions and comments here. Glad Jackson was able to set you straight. Get a life man."

Like I said, he's a little scary.

Exec Talent: I would NOT welcome anymore private messages from you.

Thank you.

[Exec Talent]

No, I do not get it. But that's okay, because I respect your wishes.

I revised that PM. Sorry; I have a bad habit of calling it as I see it. When a guy who has never been to Rio is here day in and day out acting like he is "one of the boys" yet plying everyone for information that easily could be garnered from forum searches, it reeks of desperation. Also, the need to plan out meticulously every minute detail of his maiden voyage seems more than a little obsessive. I, was in a nice way, suggesting you get some help. Something just ain't right.

No worries on receiving another PM. I said what I had to say.

[Pelongera]

I revised that PM. Sorry; I have a bad habit of calling it as I see it. When a guy who has never been to Rio is here day in and day out acting like he is "one of the boys" yet plying everyone for information that easily could be garnered from forum searches, it reeks of desperation. Also, the need to plan out meticulously every minute detail of his maiden voyage seems more than a little obsessive. I, was in a nice way, suggesting you get some help. Something just ain't right.

No worries on receiving another PM. I said what I had to say.People keep saying that my question has been answered and yet, in my view, it has not.

I asked about love motels in the St. Teresa area, specifically.

Yes, there are recommendations on Copa motels and one or two in Centro, although most of the talk on Centro is of the motels to avoid.

My sense is that either no one knows of one within, say, walking distance St. Teresa, or that, as good Hughdad implies, when I get there, I wll see that flagging a taxi to and from the ones in Centro or Copa is relatively cheap and swift.

Fine, but what's wrong with saying that?

(oh, and, yes, there was your one word review, Exec Talent, I. E. "decent, " which in the context of reviewing sex motels is a lame (and confusing) choice of words.)

[Poucolouco]

People keep saying that my question has been answered and yet, in my view, it has not.

I asked about love motels in the St. Teresa area, specifically.

Yes, there are recommendations on Copa motels and one or two in Centro, although most of the talk on Centro is of the motels to avoid.

My sense is that either no one knows of one within, say, walking distance St. Teresa, or that, as good Hughdad implies, when I get there, I wll see that flagging a taxi to and from the ones in Centro or Copa is relatively cheap and swift.

Fine, but what's wrong with saying that?

(oh, and, yes, there was your one word review, Exec Talent, I. E. "decent, " which in the context of reviewing sex motels is a lame (and confusing) choice of words.)

If, as you say "no one knows.." then we are not going to all post "I dunno."
The Sta. Teresa tram station at Arcos de Lapa is within walking distance of any motel in Gloria, or Cinlandia. “Best price” is a relative term. It depends on quality, amenities, and service. Love time, Alameda, and Diamond all fit what you are looking for and their Web ads are accurate.

It seems as though you've stumbled onto an area that needs more research. Maybe you should head on down to Rio and take one for the team.

[Hughdad]

[QUOTE=Pelongera]My sense is that either no one knows of one within, say, walking distance St. Teresa, or that, as good Hughdad implies, when I get there, I wll see that flagging a taxi to and from the ones in Centro or Copa is relatively cheap and swift.

Fine, but what's wrong with saying that?[QUOTE]I never addressed this subject with you at all as I have no knowledge of it. Never suggested you take a taxi anywhere? I do wish you a fun and exciting trip to Rio though.

[Eros74]

Even if I did not ask tons of questions before to my first time to Rio, in some way I understand Pelongera cause a first timer to Rio has really a lot of questions, maybe he is lazy to search or he searched and found a lot of posts with no answers to his questions.

Moreoever Rio is known as dangerous city, so maybe there is also a little of fear, ( at least for me that I went there alone... ).

I am not here to open a discussion, I just want to suggest you, to relax and to take it really easy and your travel will be much better than you could imagine being now at your home ;)

[Lorenzo]

Even if I did not ask tons of questions before to my first time to Rio, in some way I understand Pelongera cause a first timer to Rio has really a lot of questions, maybe he is lazy to search or he searched and found a lot of posts with no answers to his questions.

Moreoever Rio is known as dangerous city, so maybe there is also a little of fear, ( at least for me that I went there alone... ).

I am not here to open a discussion, I just want to suggest you, to relax and to take it really easy and your travel will be much better than you could imagine being now at your home ;)
I did not have to ask a single question before my first mongering trip to Rio. Everything I needed to know was ABUNDANTLY provided by what had already been posted...and this was nine years ago! Think how much more information there is today. Most people who ask a lot of questions are just lazy, or stupid, or both.

[Eros74]

....Most people who ask a lot of questions are just lazy, or stupid, or both.

I think I was maybe lazy, I do not think I was stupid and however there is also the 4th possibility....not everybody is so good as you was, I am not ironical now, I just mean everybody is different.

[Jan 156]

I visited Rio before I knew what questions to ask. Then there were more answers than I could fit into six months much less than a short trip. My buddy asked original questions (but dumb) after we went to VM. eg There must be more places like this!!!!!! Isn't there? :rolleyes: (we asked a taxi driver)

Before I went again, I made a whole bunch of notes about stuff I thought would be useful. I got there and realised that mostly the only notes I was using were the ones I made while I was there. And I needed my own experience. Like a starving man needs food. Not the video tour of the restaurant prepared by well-meaning veterans.

Rio usually engulfs people in the immediacy of it all. It takes every ounce to figure out what you're doing, how to get from a to b, how to use some simple phrases effectively. A hundred questions a minute crop up and you can either study your notes 23 hours out of 24, do a standardised set itinerary (eg Help, 4x4, BA85 - which is an achievement in itself on a first visit), or you can get out there and learn first hand.

There are ways around learning first hand in a Western economy. I think there's less hiding places in Brasil. It's like being a teenager again for me. The world at my feet. The grown-ups can f*ck themselves (anyone else lol).

Live the dream.

[Lorenzo]

I think I was maybe lazy, I do not think I was stupid and however there is also the 4th possibility....not everybody is so good as you was, I am not ironical now, I just mean everybody is different.
I wasn't referring to you in my post; sorry if you thought I was. I was referring to the guys throughout this forum who seem to do nothing but ask questions and never contribute anything constructive.

[Prosal]

I was referring to the guys throughout this forum who seem to do nothing but ask questions and never contribute anything constructive.
May I chime in ?

Frankly, the chorus against Pelongera is rather unjustified.

Give him a break. Anyone who'll browse his posts will see that since he "participates" to the Brasil forums he hasn't asked more than four or five questions, some rather interesting such as where to find forro lessons in Rio or precisions about Santa Teresa (a neighborhood totally uncovered here).

Nothing that justifies this flaming IMO.

[Lorenzo]

Seems that the Brasil forums have become the virtual kingdom of a bunch of bigoted, pontificating, angry, condescending and boring know-it-all assholes.....
Is this an example of the pot calling the kettle black?

[Poucolouco]

May I chime in ?

Frankly, the chorus against Pelongera is rather unjustified.
Give him a break. Anyone who'll browse his posts will see that since he "participates" to the Brasil forums he hasn't asked more than four or five questions, some rather interesting such as where to find forro lessons in Rio or precisions about Santa Teresa (a neighborhood totally uncovered here). Nothing that justifies this flaming...
I beg to differ. Pelogera didn’t ask for “precisions” about Santa Teresa. His question was specifically about love motels within walking distance of Sta Teresa, in the Gloria or Cinlandia areas.

People keep saying that my question has been answered and yet, in my view, it has not. I asked about love motels in the St. Teresa area, specifically. ..My sense is that either no one knows of one within, say, walking distance St. Teresa…
I posted a direct answer to his question.
.. The Sta. Teresa tram station at Arcos de Lapa is within walking distance of any motel in Gloria, or Cinlandia. “Best price” is a relative term. It depends on quality, amenities, and service. Love time, Alameda, and Diamond all fit what you are looking for and their Web ads are accurate…

Several of us have commented previously on the merits of motels in this area yet Pelongera insists no one has reported on them. Perhaps you, Prosal, can provide more useful information on love motels in this area?

[Prosal]

Is this an example of the pot calling the kettle black?
Yeah, you're right, I don't appreciate to get flamed nor by the Dickie Doos TJ/Boca Chica hardcore woremongers and self-proclaimed Rio specialists that have invaded the brasilian playground and nor about the angry know it-all-assholes who have come to the conclusion that they own the board and who can't do nothing but resorting to pejorative terms and irrelevant statements to everyone who "umbers" their position.

I very actively participate to the Romanian, Moldovian and Uzbekistan (and occasionally to the Russian and Ukrainian) forums, and I've never ever got flamed nor reviled there, nor had any polemic with anyone. I provide in those forums I think lots of added-value reports, infos and narratives which many mongers enjoy. Guess why?

Contrarilly to new "El Dorados" still off the "sex-tourism map" like Tashkent or any place in Fuckistans or provincial FSU, Rio has becomed a mass-prostitution Mecca, and this kind of place admittedly don't attract nor the classiest and nor the most adventurous mongers. No one can deny that a certain kind of sex tourists have invaded the playground - a lower caliber of mongers. The TJ or DR kind. It's a pure fact. And unfortunatly those guys are sometimes also controversial and pontificating serial posters on ISG.

[Buscemi]

Rio has becomed a mass-prostitution Mecca, and this kind of place admittedly don't attract nor the classiest, nor the most adventurous and not the wittiest mongers. No one can deny that a certain kind of sex tourist have invaded the playground - a lower caliber of monger. It's a pure fact. Furthermore, and unfortunatly, those guys are often controversial and pontificating posters on ISG.

Perhaps Jacskon could give you your own section to review the museums of São Paulo or the cafes of Buzios, and you won't have to stoop to the lower caliber sex tourism that has invaded Rio?

[Prosal]

Perhaps Jacskon could give you your own section to review the museums of São Paulo or the cafes of Buzios, and you won't have to stoop to the lower caliber sex tourism that has invaded Rio?
Brasilian threads should not be only about cheap prostitutes and nasty places to find them. Frankly, we really miss here added-value contributors like Fartknocker or Cutting Edge who used to post lots of judicious and elaborate considerations and added-value info about the country and its people, and had a very objective, accurate and interesting vision of Brasil and of brasilian girls psyche. Happily some guys like Xtopher are worthy successors of this ISG "culturally aware" breed of posters.

That was indeed refreshing posts compared to what we have now, but you can't know that, don't you, as you are obviously one of those recent DR renegades I talked about ?

:rolleyes:

[Prosal]

I have commented previously on the merits of motels in this area. Perhaps you, Prosal, can provide more useful information on love motels in this area?
Certainly not.

Picking up trannies in Lapa and fuck them on site is not really my cup of tea. Thanks for the info though. ;)

[Buscemi]

Brasilian threads should not be only about cheap prostitutes and nasty places to find them. Frankly, we really miss here added-value contributors like Fartknocker or Cutting Edge who used to post lots of judicious and elaborate considerations and added-value info about the country and its people, and had a very objective, accurate and interesting vision of Brasil and of brasilian girls psyche. Happily some guys like Xtopher are successors of this ISG "culturally aware" breed of posters.

That was indeed refreshing posts compared to what we have now, but you can't know that, don't you, as you are obviously one of those recent DR renegades I talked about ?

:rolleyes:

I guess my Nação Zumbi video did not count in your Mary Poppins thread, how many more times are you going to ammend your post, I counted 9 times so far, you need meds.

[Prosal]

my Nação Zumbi video did not count
I'm impressed indeed. Such a cultural awareness. :rolleyes:


how many more times are you going to ammend your post, I counted 9 times so far, you need meds.
Didn't overly edit my post, as your quote testifies.

Maybe what you could do, instead of appeal to irrelevant statements, is let me know which ones of my arguments and observations you disagree with and refute them countering with your own arguments and observations.

Or, more simply and easily, just keep on stupidly deriding the ones who COMMENT on the reality of mongering in Rio and you don't agree with.

[Poucolouco]

Certainly not.

Picking up trannies in Lapa and fuck them on site is not really my cup of tea. Thanks for the info though. ;)

What? After the flame, you have nothing to contribute? Monsieur Prosal, your irrelevant ramblings make no sense at all and bring nothing of value to the discussion at hand. But this is not new. You have a history of uninformed postings. Why don't you take your expertise back to the slavic threads where you can baffle them with your bullshit. Oh, and by the way, wipe your mouth, there's still a tiny bit of bullshit around your lips.

[Prosal]

take your expertise back to the slavic threads
So for you Romania, Moldova, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Albania, ect are slavic nations ?

Obviously you should revise your ethnologic and geographic lessons .. and maybe leave Copacabana for a while and extend your horizons ?

:)

[Poucolouco]

So for you Romania, Moldova, Uzbekistan, Georgia, Albania, ect are slavic nations ?

Obviously you should revise your ethnologic and geographic lessons .. and maybe leave Copacabana for a while and extend your horizons ?

:)

Once again, Prosal, your failure to read with understanding has increased your bullshit output and strayed further from the subject of this thread. No where in my post did I mention the countries to which you refer.

[Shemp]

MOST people are smart enough to not go where they are not wanted.

Nobody wants you around here.

[Sperto]

Picking up trannies in Lapa and fuck them on site is not really my cup of tea.
Not on site? Next you're propably going to tell us to which hotel or motel you bring them back to? Please, don't tell us.

There are not supposed to be any discussions about tr***ies.

You should study the forum rules: "Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women."

[Lorenzo]

Brasilian threads should not be only about cheap prostitutes and nasty places to find them.
Actually they should; not cheap, and not nasty, but the threads--in all countries, not just Brazil--should be about prostitution and eveything ancillary to it. That was the original purpose of this forum, and it used to be explicitly stated as such. This statement later got watered down to "men finding women," or similar language. Still later, threads like "non-pro garotas" were added. But let's be realistic; the essential purpose of this forum is to help men in finding sex with women who charge for it--in other words, prostitutes.

Having said this, I'll add that posts regarding Brazilian, or Thai, or Uzbek, or Malagasy culture are fine, but you can find this stuff at many other places on the internet. But finding a forum with useful information about finding commercial sex anywhere in the world--even Saudi Arabia, for Chrissake--is so valuable that it can even be called a precious resource to hard core hobbyists like myself. So let's not lose sight of the essential reason why all of us are here.

[Sam I Am]

Suggestions for a modest, safe place Lapa / Centro area? I always stay near the beaches, so I thought would do something different....

Close to subway is preferred....

[Bad Boy Billy]

Any of you guys have links to similar or higher quality 1 bedroom apartments in Copacabana as this one?

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/

Would appreciate your input guys.

[Poucolouco]

Any of you guys have links to similar or higher quality 1 bedroom apartments in Copacabana as this one?

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/

Would appreciate your input guys.

http://www.aluguetemporada.com.br/
http://www.temporadariocm.com/index.php
http://www.thewonderfulcity.com/eng/index.asp
http://www.rioapartmentrental.com/about-us.php?ResetPager=1

[Exec Talent]

Any of you guys have links to similar or higher quality 1 bedroom apartments in Copacabana as this one?

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/

Would appreciate your input guys.

Billy,
That looks more like a studio (no separate bedroom) than a 1 bedroom. Check with Fred at www.thewonderfulcity.com I know he has some nice places, fairly priced.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Billy,
That looks more like a studio (no separate bedroom) than a 1 bedroom. Check with Fred at www.thewonderfulcity.com I know he has some nice places, fairly priced.
Yes mate got me on a technicality there - I did mean a studio OR 1 bedroom - as in only 1 guy will be staying there.

Pricing not an issue - am looking for quality.

I do appreciate your efforts and input guys.

[JohnnyBraz]

Any of you guys have links to similar or higher quality 1 bedroom apartments in Copacabana as this one?

http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/

Would appreciate your input guys.Quite a small studio there billy, I would hardly call it high end.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Quite a small studio there billy, I would hardly call it high end.
Exactly why I posted it mate - feel free to chime in if you have anything constructive to add.

[Sperto]

Any of you guys have links to similar or higher quality 1 bedroom apartments in Copacabana as this one?
http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/
Would appreciate your input guys.
This one is wonderful!
http://www.rioapartments.com/1-28_aluguel_de_imoveis_luxo_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/

[Koolkid]

This one is wonderful!
http://www.rioapartments.com/1-28_aluguel_de_imoveis_luxo_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/


This is the apartment I've been looking at. Its located on Rua Barao de Ipanema on the corner of Rua Domingos Ferreira, one block away from Copacabana Beach. I'm waiting for them to have the 2010 prices available.

[Bad Boy Billy]

This one is wonderful!
http://www.rioapartments.com/1-28_aluguel_de_imoveis_luxo_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/Yes mate I have looked at that - only downer is the way the 'work bench' is jammed into a corner.

This is the apartment I wanted originally - http://www.rioapartments.com/0-20_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_copacabana/ - US$75/night. I have had this apartment before but unfortunately it is booked the period I want.

This is an almost identical studio in same building - right next door to cop shop - http://www.rioapartments.com/0-21_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_copacabana/ - US$70/night.

This is the one I currently have reserved - http://www.rioapartments.com/0-46_aluguel_de_imoveis_conjugado_quarto_e_sala_copacabana/
- US$90/night

As I said - I want quality and money not really an issue - must be in Copa.

These 3 apartments are through RioApartments - the one you listed they also have at US$100/night.

Once again thanks to all the guys who took time to read my post and respond.

[Sperto]

Yes mate I have looked at that - only downer is the way the 'work bench' is jammed into a corner.
I think it will be difficult to find a more exclusive conjugado in Copa than this one. IMO it's very beautiful. The balcony is also cool.

The location is great. Close to the beach. Good restaurants, bars, supermarkets and ATM's within 2 minutes walk. Less than 5 minutes walk to Help.

I never stayed in this apartment,but I've visited it several times.

The other conjugados you mentioned are also very fine, but the first one beats them all.

[Ourtran]

I'm looking for a hotel for one night near the beach and around 100 USD a night.

[Ourtran]

Has anyone dealt with them? we are emailing each other and he gave me a rate of 75 for one night for a 1 room apartment right on Rua Miguel Lemos 8 & Avenida Atlantica.

[Exec Talent]

Has anyone dealt with them? we are emailing each other and he gave me a rate of 75 for one night for a 1 room apartment right on Rua Miguel Lemos 8 & Avenida Atlantica.
Try using the search function.

There is even a whole thread devoted to all the complaints against this agency. Make sure you read the whole thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2478

Could you be one of the lucky ones? Sure. You could win the lottery too. However, check to see how many complaints there are about other agencies. Almost none.

[Cho 637]

Has anyone dealt with them? we are emailing each other and he gave me a rate of 75 for one night for a 1 room apartment right on Rua Miguel Lemos 8 & Avenida Atlantica.

Tried to send you a PM, but you can't receive them.

[JohnnyBraz]

Exactly why I posted it mate - feel free to chime in if you have anything constructive to add.Try this link, i know it's a 2 bedroom apartment, but they will come back to you with some top end 1 bedroom places.

What month you traveling?

http://www.viviun.com/AD-41440/

[Brazil Specialist]

I rent suites in my apartment a few blocks from Help.

Advantages:
* mongering, security, tourism advice from the local monger Brazil Specialist (depending on my availability, ask me to be sure)

* great air-con
* great mattress
* great guaranteed internet (DSL with backup 3G cell phone internet)

* huge veranda in Penthouse
* I am paranoid about security
* no prior tenant's ghetto girlfriend has a copy of my keys, they are un-copiable

Disadvantages
* I am paranoid about security, if you insist on irresponsible and dangerous behavior, stay elsewhere

* no total privacy, you are in my apartment where I live. But you got your own suite with own bath room
* no ocean view
* need to walk up one flight of stairs
* you pay about the same you would pay for an apartment. I am not trying to cut super cheap deals

More info: send me a private message with your email, check your spam filter for my reply

[Bad Boy Billy]

Try this link............What month you traveling?
Thanks mate - will try it.

If all goes to plan - will be in Rio June 16 to 22.

Just a few pics to show you guys what Billy likes.

[Sunset Strip]

I found an apartment for some newbies and heard they had an ant problem. First, I would like to say that newbies need to book early. These guys got screwed over by John Thompson and I had to find them one at the last minute. Always remember who screwed you over originally. Second, one of them said that they left a coke can out for a few hours came back and they had ants. Well, remember newbies that Rio is not wherever you live. In tropical climates there are lots of bugs. Plus, houses are constructed differently, in tropical places there is less insulation between you and the outside. Bugs get in much easier. Plugs, bugs thrive these environments. You are in Rio, not at home.

For example, I used to live in one of the wealthiest locations in the US (La Jolla, CA) and whenever I left food out for a day I got a line of army ants! I had to learn to clean up more oftern than I did on the East Coast.

just some advice for guys coming to Rio not knowing what to expect. Perhaps some of you need to clean up after yourselves rather than leave food out, attracting bugs and then writing reports calling rental agencies "roach motels." And the funny thing is, I actually know who some of you are on here and you diss one rental agency then praise another when they both rent the SAME apartments!

Also, pilling 5 guys into a 2 bedroom John Thompson apartment (when he comes through for you) is not conducive to a good living environment. Too many guys, too much food, too much filth.


TJ

[Exec Talent]

And the funny thing is, I actually know who some of you are on here and you diss one rental agency then praise another when they both rent the SAME apartments!
TJ

The problem usually is not the apartment, but the agency that rents it and their associated unethical business practices.

[Trevor]

I stayed at this place in July. Great location and quiet. Two bedrooms and lots of light. The manager, Enrico, is a cool guy.

Copapenthouse.com

[Sunset Strip]

I stayed at this place in July. Great location and quiet. Two bedrooms and lots of light. The manager, Enrico, is a cool guy.

Copapenthouse.com
Nice place Trevor. How much did you pay?


TJ

[Sprite13]

Nice Picks Billy! Specially the Beijing ones and the Rio 4-5-6 pics! Care to share where and how much you got them for?

Thanks.


Thanks mate - will try it.

If all goes to plan - will be in Rio June 16 to 22.

Just a few pics to show you guys what Billy likes.

[Trevor]

I spent 100$ a night. Its a two bedroom. I really wanted the experience of the jacuzzi on the terrace. I guess it was a fetish. For me the plus was being such a safe an quiet street, I did not feel observed.

[Sunset Strip]

I spent 100$ a night. Its a two bedroom. I really wanted the experience of the jacuzzi on the terrace. I guess it was a fetish. For me the plus was being such a safe an quiet street, I did not feel observed.
Not a bad price for a 2 bedroom luxury spot. It kind of reminds me, because of the stairs, the "Presidential Suite," in that movie The Girl from Rio (one guy recommended we all see for good, light entertainment).

I may try it someday.


TJ

[Jan 156]

Is this also the case with roaches? Is there roaches in every apartment if you leave something out?
I've had apartments where I wouldn't leave anything out. Not so much roaches, but ants, yes. They get thru everywhere, even ventilation shafts. Most garotas I've taken back anywhere are always very careful to seal food up. So is my landlady.

But I've also stayed in very modern, well-insulated apartments that I felt I didn't need to bother very much.

[Jan 156]

Just a few pics to show you guys what Billy likes.

The words 'you lucky f*ck!' come to mind. I'd definitely give all of those a swing through! Nice one, Billy.

[Poucolouco]

Is this also the case with roaches? Is there roaches in every apartment if you leave something out?

It depends on the apartment owner. Many have their places treated for roaches and ants, many do not. However, the same holds true for hotels and restaurants. If you will have food that is not going to be kept in the refrigerator, bring some zip lock bags for sanitary storage.

[Jan 156]

You would think then if a apartment on Darma Ulrich has roaches then most of them will have them in that building.
I wouldn't stress over it. An occasional roach is hardly a life threatening biohazard. Just like flies or whatever you maybe get at home. A nuisance, but they rely on the shock value of people never having seen one! The roaches in Sydney Australia are much worse than anything I've seen in Rio. Chill out and have a good time. :)

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

This is a conversation from Don of Riotrips Amerioca Tours and myself. Nothing has been changed except the removal of my name and email address. I recommend that you do not use a company like this, that finds joy in treats people like this.... Start at the bottom of the text.

If you see someone with money and is willing to spend it, feel free to send them our way. I don't, however, rent expensive apartments to people that can't afford a vacation in Rio and find, upon arrival, they should have gone to a less expensive destination.

I don't post on forums but will be happy to provide this entire thread to those who do so that it may be posted in it's entirety.

Bottom line is we don't deal with assholes and certainly don't let anyone set rates. I'm sure you'll find a nice shithole for your 3 night adventure in Rio and may even have an enjoyable time. I certainly hope so;-}
Enjoy your stay.

Thanks,
Don
Amerioca Tours
www.amerioca.net
Rio: 21-2522-1259
US Telephone #'s ring in Rio
Calif: 916-218-6092
Calif: 408-884-5903
Florida: 305-735-8433



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:28 AM, I wrote:

Look you came highly recomended from forms and guides on how to have a enjoyable time in Rio.I didn't expect the treatment that I have been receiving from you. I'm dissappointed and will be reporting your coments to the forms and share your comments with others. When a person has money and is willing to spend it with someone else for a service they are considered potential customer, contigent upon negociation and agreements.
Good day Sir.


--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: need a room tomorrow.
To: ME

Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 8:21 AM



I don't consider people like yourself potential customers at all. It's a privilege working with us, not a right.
That WAS the only apt available for a reason. The rest are all booked, again, for a reason.
Enjoy your stay:-}

Thanks,
Don
Amerioca Tours
www.amerioca.net
Rio: 21-2522-1259
US Telephone #'s ring in Rio
Calif: 916-218-6092
Calif: 408-884-5903
Florida: 305-735-8433



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:32 AM, I wrote:

and after a response like that to a potential customer I never will.


--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: need a room tomorrow.
To: ME
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 9:41 PM



I'm not in Rio at the moment so don't bother. There's nothing to work out.

Thanks,
Don
Amerioca Tours
www.amerioca.net
Rio: 21-2522-1259
US Telephone #'s ring in Rio
Calif: 916-218-6092
Calif: 408-884-5903
Florida: 305-735-8433



On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:28 PM, I wrote:

I'll call you in the morning, hopefully, we can work something out


--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: need a room tomorrow.
To: ME
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 5:00 PM



Enjoy your stay;)

Thanks,
Don
Amerioca Tours
www.amerioca.net
Rio: 21-2522-1259
US Telephone #'s ring in Rio
Calif: 916-218-6092
Calif: 408-884-5903
Florida: 305-735-8433



On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:09 PM, I wrote:

Thanks I was hoping to go $55 US the highest per nite for 3 days.

--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com> wrote:


From: Riotrips Amerioca Tours <riodon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: need a room tomorrow.
To: ME
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:31 PM



Actually just had a cancellation on a nice place just off the beach (100 yards). Apt 403 on my site: www.amerioca.net 70 US would be the bottom line on a 90 dollar per night apartment.

Thanks,
Don
Amerioca Tours
www.amerioca.net
Rio: 21-2522-1259
US Telephone #'s ring in Rio
Calif: 916-218-6092
Calif: 408-884-5903
Florida: 305-735-8433



On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM,
I wrote wrote:

Hello,
I'm in Copa now and I will be needing a 1 bedroom from the 27th until the 30th. My price range is $55-70US per nite and depending on amenities(wireless desired). Preferable near the beach and guest friendly.
my local Rio number is 97122885.
Thank you for your time,
Dee

[Sunset Strip]

You would think then if a apartment on Darma Ulrich has roaches then most of them will have them in that building.I was not ignoring your question, it was just other people were providing answers.

Yes, there is no way only one apartment in a building has roaches. But, individual owners can prevent roaches in their place through vigilant extermination.

Part of the problem for tourists is that lots of us do not comprehend that we are travelling to tropical environment in the Third World. I mean to say we do not truly understand what that means. Then when we get there we leave dirty dishes sitting around while we head to a therma or to MP for drinks, return and then start posting reports on here about this apartment company being a roach motel.

The problem is that all of these buildings are old, the climate is conducive to breeding bugs, there is very high population density in Copacabana (lots of trash), and tourists think they can act the way they do at home.

When you rent the apartment, you probably move in a few days after the last guy and you see random roaches and ants regardless of attempts to exterminate. Remember ants and roaches send out scouts first. If they find nothing they leave. So if you remain extra clean you will not have problems, the bugs will go elsewhere.

I rented a place from gringomanagement once and had a girl cook for me. I went into the kitchen a few hours later and there were quite a few roaches. The problem was this was a sloppy, drunk-assed GDP who was spilling food everywhere. She had jumped into bed and kept saying she would clean up in the morning.

I wiped down the counter and placed the dishes in the sink covered by water. No more roaches

The rest of the trip I made sure to wipe things down after I ate and had no problems. We have to be proactive when in Rio.

(By the way as I type this message I notice that I have crumbs on my desk that have been here for months. That is what we are used to. You just cannot do that it Brazil! )

Tijuana

[Rio Bob]

My price range is $55-70US per nite and depending on amenities(wireless desired). Preferable near the beach and guest friendly.
my local Rio number is 97122885.
Thank you for your time,
Dee

First you tell this guy your price range is between $55 - $70, then when he meets your $70 price, you tell him you were hoping for $55? Why did you say $70 then, I can't blame this guy for responding to you in such a manner, plus that was a nice apartment. You should delete your post.

[Poucolouco]

This is a conversation from Don of Riotrips Amerioca Tours and myself. Nothing has been changed except the removal of my name and email address. I recommend that you do not use a company like this..

Preferable near the beach and guest friendly.
my local Rio number is 97122885.
Thank you for your time,
Dee

Dee,
You gave him a price range of R$55 to R$70. He gave you a reasonable response with an offer to discount an apartment from R$90 to the bottom line price of R$70. Then you changed your negotiating strategy to “$55 US the highest per nite for 3 days.” In business this move is known as a weasel. Don rightfully severed negotiations at that point. You chose to retaliate with a war of words and now you think it is appropriate to bad mouth Don and Amerioca Tours.

I don’t know Don and I have never heard of Amerioca Tours but I certainly understand his reaction to your negotiating strategy. Even a used car salesman would walk from a customer who is just wasting time.

Btw, you forgot to edit your name and phone number from your post.

[Lorenzo]

This is a conversation from Don of Riotrips Amerioca Tours and myself. Nothing has been changed except the removal of my name and email address. I recommend that you do not use a company like this, that finds joy in treats people like this.... Start at the bottom of the text.
Sorry, but I have to agree with Sangue Bon and Poucolouco. You got exactly the response you deserved. You gave him a price range, he made you an offer within that price range, and then you tried to lowball him. I would have given you the boot too.

[Xpartan]

Sorry, but I have to agree with Sangue Bon and Poucolouco. You got exactly the response you deserved. You gave him a price range, he made you an offer within that price range, and then you tried to lowball him. I would have given you the boot too.I agree with this assessment. I checked Don's side and it looks like a classy apartment with every amenity you had requested and then some. Try to think about it: you want a place for mere three days (not the best deal for a RE agent), the guy meets your price, yet you keep haggling? And after he politely (at the first time) advised you he didn't want your business, you keep pushing? Why? Honestly, I think you missed out on a great deal. Measly $45 difference in Rio might be the difference between having a nice place to come home to and a shithole.

However, I have to say Don gets off this exchange as a bit arrogant, too. Stating it's a "privilege" to do business with him and using profanity (even when he's rightfully annoyed) is the wrong way to deal with a situation like this. Perhaps his stellar reputation and years of living and doing business in Brazil have relaxed him to certain degree.

[Hughdad]

This is a conversation from Don of Riotrips Amerioca Tours and myself. Nothing has been changed except the removal of my name and email address. I recommend that you do not use a company like this, that finds joy in treats people like this. Start at the bottom of the text.Dee,

I agree with the others here. Most apartment rental co's in Rio require a minimum of 5 nights stay. Don was trying to accomodate you based on your stated price range. And then you switch up the negotiation. I have the 3 different apartment rental co's in Rio that I used to be very accomodating and easy going. But I also made arrangements well in advance. Often using a site's reservation tool which showed available dtaes. I am sure that these co's get propositioned all the time by tourists looking for super bargains. I could see how this could get tiresome.

Don tried to deal with you professionally and politely up front and then realized you were not his type of client. He has the right to do business with whomever he wants to. Same right as you.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

Anyone every heard of the customer is always rite. I have worked in the service industry for many many(15+yrs) year and i have never used such languge with people that were patronizing my establishmet or even visting. I don't care what any of you all say that was wrong. Negociations are full of ups and downs. The first rule of negociations is never settle on the first price given by a vendor. Hell thats what ISG is about helping mongeres negociate with chicas. Additionally, the going rate THAT I HAVE SEEN for a 1 bed has been $70 a nite including all the amenites that were illustrated in the picture, so for him to tell me that it goes for $90 a nite was a bit suspicious. Calling me an asshole is unacceptable and uncalled for. If you read the thread I was about to yield to his first offer of $70 a nite when I said would call him tomorrow and he told me not to bother. I can care less if you all enjoy calling clients names my reputation speaks volumes about me vs being a jerk to clients. Thank you for your opinions gentle my opinion remains unswayed.


I agree with this assessment. I checked Don's side and it looks like a classy apartment with every amenity you had requested and then some. Try to think about it: you want a place for mere three days (not the best deal for a RE agent), the guy meets your price, yet you keep haggling? And after he politely (at the first time) advised you he didn't want your business, you keep pushing? Why? Honestly, I think you missed out on a great deal. Measly $45 difference in Rio might be the difference between having a nice place to come home to and a shithole.

However, I have to say Don gets off this exchange as a bit arrogant, too. Stating it's a "privilege" to do business with him and using profanity (even when he's rightfully annoyed) is the wrong way to deal with a situation like this. Perhaps his stellar reputation and years of living and doing business in Brazil have relaxed him to certain degree.

[Chezz]

so don discounted a $90 apartment to meet your minimum and you come back and say it's still too much? sorry man, i think you're out line here. yeah, don took a shot at you, but that's life. take it and move on to the next agency. there are plenty of apartment rental agencies in town to work with. but in my experience, amerioca's prices -- dollar for dollar -- are in line or better that what you can get anywhere else in copa.

a little disclosure, i just left rio after renting from don and ken and my experience was positive -- again. i've rented from bobby and rio apartments and both were good experiences. but amerioca is just a good fit for me. i had a 10 day rental and couldn't find a thing to complain about; comfortable clean apartment with working high-speed, hot water, comfortable bed, quiet, safe...the whole deal. plus there is someone in that office 7 days a week and they've generally been quite helpful answering questions, no matter how strange -- and they get some strange ones!

[Hughdad]

Anyone every heard of the customer is always rite. I have worked in the service industry for many many(15+yrs) year and i have never used such languge with people that were patronizing my establishmet or even visting. I don't care what any of you all say that was wrong. Negociations are full of ups and downs. The first rule of negociations is never settle on the first price given by a vendor. Hell thats what ISG is about helping mongeres negociate with chicas. Additionally, the going rate THAT I HAVE SEEN for a 1 bed has been $70 a nite including all the amenites that were illustrated in the picture, so for him to tell me that it goes for $90 a nite was a bit suspicious. Calling me an asshole is unacceptable and uncalled for. If you read the thread I was about to yield to his first offer of $70 a nite when I said would call him tomorrow and he told me not to bother. I can care less if you all enjoy calling clients names my reputation speaks volumes about me vs being a jerk to clients. Thank you for your opinions gentle my opinion remains unswayed.The customer is not always "right". In a business where "negotiation" is part of the deal - the "seller" has the right to stop negotiating at any time and stop doing business. Yeah, he was a little rude, but these guys get approached with a million low-ball offers and it grows tiresome. You threw out $70 as your limit and he tried to accommodate you by discounting an available, more expensive apartment in your price range for only 3 nights (under his normal 5 night minimum). Remember you were trying to book when you were already in Copa rather than in advance and his inventory was low. While many 1 bedrooms average $60 to $70 per night for a 5 night minimum, I have seen better 1 bedrooms up to $90 or $100 and as low as $40 or $50 for a studio for short term. He assessed your value to his business and just chose to not have you as a client. Instead of being mad, you should reassess your behavior and learn a thing or two so you can have a more successful renting experience in the future. So book well in advance, try to meet their minimum nights requirement, and learn how to negotiate better. These guys all know each other as well - so don't make it hard on yourself.

Move on.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

don can kiss my ass! he wasn't do'n me any favors! i'm glad his place is sitting there empty! i'm actually in a place for 50bucks a nite with everything i asked him for.

bon noche!


so don discounted a $90 apartment to meet your minimum and you come back and say it's still too much? sorry man, i think you're out line here. yeah, don took a shot at you, but that's life. take it and move on to the next agency. there are plenty of apartment rental agencies in town to work with. but in my experience, amerioca's prices -- dollar for dollar -- are in line or better that what you can get anywhere else in copa.

a little disclosure, i just left rio after renting from don and ken and my experience was positive -- again. i've rented from bobby and rio apartments and both were good experiences. but amerioca is just a good fit for me. i had a 10 day rental and couldn't find a thing to complain about; comfortable clean apartment with working high-speed, hot water, comfortable bed, quiet, safe...the whole deal. plus there is someone in that office 7 days a week and they've generally been quite helpful answering questions, no matter how strange -- and they get some strange ones!

[Poucolouco]

Anyone every heard of the customer is always rite. I have worked in the service industry for many many(15+yrs) year and i have never used such languge with people that were patronizing my establishmet or even visting. I don't care what any of you all say that was wrong. Negociations are full of ups and downs. The first rule of negociations is never settle on the first price given by a vendor. Hell thats what ISG is about helping mongeres negociate with chicas. Additionally, the going rate THAT I HAVE SEEN for a 1 bed has been $70 a nite including all the amenites that were illustrated in the picture, so for him to tell me that it goes for $90 a nite was a bit suspicious. Calling me an asshole is unacceptable and uncalled for. If you read the thread I was about to yield to his first offer of $70 a nite when I said would call him tomorrow and he told me not to bother. I can care less if you all enjoy calling clients names my reputation speaks volumes about me vs being a jerk to clients. Thank you for your opinions gentle my opinion remains unswayed.
Bro, you may have a good handle on the price of pussy but you are certainly no expert on the price of temporary rental of luxury apartments. A fair price for a minimum of 4 days is R$ 150 – R$190. That’s $80 to $100 American to you. If you don’t care what any of us say, why did you post your behavioral chronology out here for comment? The apartment price was not negotiable, period. Asshole may have been a bit harsh but Don was trying to ignore you. You walked into that moniker with your tenacious in-your-face emails. As for your reputation, sir, it is cast in the record of this forum.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

Like I said IMO those prices are not what I have been quoted for this trip. I began my seach about 6 months ago and the prices have not changed. I just spent a week in a luxury apt a under the price that you quoted and the price WAS nogociated down to the price we paid. Believe me you would have loved to be in the our place. I will not name the company because of there willingness to satisfy a customer and they are good square folks. If I ever come back to Brazil I will be using them, not so jerk who thinks he's got it going on and doesn't have to treat customers with respect. I'm American maybe thats the problem and I was taught to respect myself. Furthermore, all that crap about being non-negociable is just that-crap!


Bro, you may have a good handle on the price of pussy but you are certainly no expert on the price of temporary rental of luxury apartments. A fair price for a minimum of 4 days is R$ 150 – R$190. That’s $80 to $100 American to you. If you don’t care what any of us say, why did you post your behavioral chronology out here for comment? The apartment price was not negotiable, period. Asshole may have been a bit harsh but Don was trying to ignore you. You walked into that moniker with your tenacious in-your-face emails. As for your reputation, sir, it is cast in the record of this forum.

[Shemp]

Yeah dude, the whole world is wrong & you're fuckin' right. If I was Don I would have called you more names after he met your price & you tried to chisel him down even more. Everyone hates negotiators like you, whether it's apt. agencies, car salesman, or working girls.

[Eros74]

...I'm glad his place is sitting there empty! I'm actually in a place for 50bucks a nite with everything I asked him for....

That's why you are right, you spent less than with him, you got the same, for me it is a obvious thing that we have to negotiate as much as we want and if Don or somebody else want to stays so selfish, where is the problem ??

Plent of apartments in Rio + the crisi, so if some agency prefer to stay empty instead to rent at lower price, it is not our problem, I guess.

Usually I negotiate even more than you and often my friends envy the prices I am able to get and I am not poor, otherwise I did not stay 2 months at beginning of this year, but in 8 weeks figure out how much money I was able to save by strong negotiating.

If everybody would negotiate strong, we all could get better price.

The problem is that most are too weak and/or shy to even start a negotiating and yes I was never a customer of Don or of an any agency that I have to email or to call to know their prices when all the others agencies have written in their home page....

IMHO !

[Hughdad]

Like I said IMO those prices are not what I have been quoted for this trip. I began my seach about 6 months ago and the prices have not changed. I just spent a week in a luxury apt a under the price that you quoted and the price WAS nogociated down to the price we paid. Believe me you would have loved to be in the our place. I will not name the company because of there willingness to satisfy a customer and they are good square folks. If I ever come back to Brazil I will be using them, not so jerk who thinks he's got it going on and doesn't have to treat customers with respect. I'm American maybe thats the problem and I was taught to respect myself. Furthermore, all that crap about being non-negociable is just that-crap!I am an American too - but what does that have to do with anything here? You are "negotiating" and attempting to do business in their country. Don was doing just that - respecting himself and his business and deciding not to waste his time dealing with you. Drop it, move on. You obviously found another agency to deal with and, judging from the posts here, you aren't going to convince anyone here not to deal with Don.

PS: With some of your apartment savings - why don't you buy a dictionary?

[Bad Boy Billy]

I just spent a week in a luxury apt a under the price that you quoted and the price WAS nogociated down to the price we paid.......I will not name the company because of there willingness to satisfy a customer and they are good square folks........If I ever come back to Brazil I will be using them,Mate I will be travelling from Melborne Australia to Rio in 2 weeks - don't name this company on the board if you don't want but please send me a PM so I can contact with them?

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

Sorry bro. I'm not a paying member so I can't PM you.

So sorry.


Mate I will be travelling from Melborne Australia to Rio in 2 weeks - don't name this company on the board if you don't want but please send me a PM so I can contact with them?===============================================

Hi Blk Big Bootyluv,

Are you suggesting that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can not afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

A forum subscription is less than 40 cents a week. That's less than the price of a newspaper.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Hughdad]

That's why you are right, you spent less than with him, you got the same, for me it is a obvious thing that we have to negotiate as much as we want and if Don or somebody else want to stays so selfish, where is the problem ??

Plent of apartments in Rio + the crisi, so if some agency prefer to stay empty instead to rent at lower price, it is not our problem, I guess.

Usually I negotiate even more than you and often my friends envy the prices I am able to get and I am not poor, otherwise I did not stay 2 months at beginning of this year, but in 8 weeks figure out how much money I was able to save by strong negotiating.

If everybody would negotiate strong, we all could get better price.

The problem is that most are too weak and/or shy to even start a negotiating and yes I was never a customer of Don or of an any agency that I have to email or to call to know their prices when all the others agencies have written in their home page....

IMHO !No one here is suggesting to not negotiate. But when you negotiate and give a price range and then the agency comes back and meets your request and then you try renegotiating lower - the agency has every right to stop dealing with you. We are advocating that he negotiate smarter in the future, and that he move on.

You never give out your highest acceptable price to start. You start lower and have room to negotiate up if needed. It's "Negotiations 101". In addition, don't wait to get down there to start looking as you run the risk of having lower inventory available and an agency knows you need a place immediately.

He assumes the apartment was not worth $90/night because many 1 bedroom apartments are listed at $50 to $70. It may have been a top-notch apartment and the agency was willing to meet his discount request even though he only wanted it for 3 nights. They usually require a 5 night minimum. Your example of a 2 month stay is irrelevant. Negotiating an 8 week stay is much different than a 3 night stay. You have more leverage. Apples and oranges.

[Blk Big Bootyluv]

You know when I was a kid I had to agree with everyone but see now Im' a man and I form my own opinion and find resolve in my decisions. Its ok that I don't agree with many on you thats what makes he world great. Many of you just fall rite in line with the common place of getting ripped off while I'll slide in a get my 20% discount by searching and negociating.

And only children find joy in name calling. come on now were all suppose to be adult.

Moreover, the reason y I posted the conversation here was solely to inform. If anyone cares to look at the original post I said look at how customers are treated and not to use them. I assumed that my fellow Mongerers don't like abuse and liked to get a deal. I was wrong for some you.

Thanks to those that agree with me and blessings to those that do not.


Yeah dude, the whole world is wrong & you're fuckin' right. If I was Don I would have called you more names after he met your price & you tried to chisel him down even more. Everyone hates negotiators like you, whether it's apt. agencies, car salesman, or working girls.

[Poucolouco]

Sorry bro. I'm not a paying member so I can't PM you.

So sorry.

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Hi Blk Big Bootyluv,

Are you suggesting that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can not afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

A forum subscription is less than 40 cents a week. That's less than the price of a newspaper.

Thanks,

Jackson

Hey Bootyluv, Now's your chance. Show us your negotiating skills with Jackson. Maybe you can squeeze a dime on the weekly subscription. ;) rsrsrs

[Hughdad]

Hey Bootyluv, Now's your chance. Show us your negotiating skills with Jackson. Maybe you can squeeze a dime on the weekly subscription. ;) rsrsrsToo f-ing funny!

I am moving on from this topic. He just does not seem to be willing to take constructive advice. Which could make his trip and negotiating more enjoyable. Plus I get a headache trying to figure out what the message is with all the bad spelling and grammar.

[Hughdad]

Sorry bro. I'm not a paying member so I can't PM you.

So sorry.

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Hi Blk Big Bootyluv,

Are you suggesting that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can not afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.

A forum subscription is less than 40 cents a week. That's less than the price of a newspaper.

Thanks,

JacksonBBB,

You should be supporting this site and all the hard work that Jackson does. The info here is terrific and can easily save you tons of money. Why not use $20 from the great savings you "negotiated" on your apartment rental to support this site?

You seem to be an active participant here.

[Hughdad]

Mate I will be travelling from Melborne Australia to Rio in 2 weeks - don't name this company on the board if you don't want but please send me a PM so I can contact with them?It would not surprise me in the least that he did not get a special deal as he can't negotiate, and therefore can't supply any info to you.

[Bad Boy Billy]

Many of you just fall rite in line with the common place of getting ripped off while I'll slide in a get my 20% discount by searching and negociating.........Moreover, the reason y I posted the conversation here was solely to inform.Mate Billy loves to help others mongers and also appreciates the help he receives in return.

But to post info like 'I get great deals from a supplier' then not posting the details of that supplier does nothing for anybody.

So how do I get this info from you about the company you recomend when you cannot pm me?

[Poucolouco]

Mate Billy loves to help others mongers and also appreciates the help he receives in return.

But to post info like 'I get great deals from a supplier' then not posting the details of that supplier does nothing for anybody.

So how do I get this info from you about the company you recomend when you cannot pm me?
Try calling him. His name and telephone number are listed at the bottom of his original post. (#1417 )

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922040&postcount=1417

[Wayne Roberts]

Hi Guys,

I am going to Rio for the first time and I will be staying in Copa. I have found a very nice 2 bedroom apartment for 15 days at about $2500 over the new year period. Only thing is that its about 5 blocks from the beach and in the heart of Copa (as per the adverts description)

Having never been to Rio or Brazil before, I have been told that the further away from the coastline you are the more issues there may be with regards to safety. Would an apartment that far from the beach in Copa place it closer to the favellas? I know Rio is huge but I am just not sure if 5 blocks into Copa would be a great place to stay.

I would rather pay a little more as a newbie now if need be

Thanks in advance

[Exec Talent]

Hi Guys,

I am going to Rio for the first time and I will be staying in Copa. I have found a very nice 2 bedroom apartment for 15 days at about $2500 over the new year period. Only thing is that its about 5 blocks from the beach and in the heart of Copa (as per the adverts description)

Having never been to Rio or Brazil before, I have been told that the further away from the coastline you are the more issues there may be with regards to safety. Would an apartment that far from the beach in Copa place it closer to the favellas? I know Rio is huge but I am just not sure if 5 blocks into Copa would be a great place to stay.

I would rather pay a little more as a newbie now if need be

Thanks in advance
Depends on the address. You do not need to be exact. What are the cross streets?

[Poucolouco]

Hi Guys,

I am going to Rio for the first time and I will be staying in Copa. I have found a very nice 2 bedroom apartment for 15 days at about $2500 over the new year period. Only thing is that its about 5 blocks from the beach and in the heart of Copa (as per the adverts description).. Would an apartment that far from the beach in Copa place it closer to the favellas?

The New Year period is in the high season and all rents are higher because of demand. The daily rate of $167 (R$300) for this apartment is a fair price for a two-bedroom unit.

The heart of Copacabana is generally the area of Postos 3 and 4. I am guessing the apartment is on Rua Silva Castro or Rua Tonelero and Figueiredo Magalhaes. This would be near Metro Siqueira Campos and Termas Luomo, and a reasonably safe area.

Proximity to Copacabana favelas depends on the apartment location, (i.e. streets perpendicular to the beach.) There are four favelas in Copacabana. The largest is Pavão-Pavãozinho, near Posto 5. The others are (1.) Morro dos Cabritos on the hill beyond the western terminus of Rua Santa Clara, (2.) Chapéu Mangueira west of Leme and (3.) Babilônia, high on the hill above Leme at east end of Copacabana. Look up the apartment address on Google Maps and you can see the location relative to the favelas.

[Blonde]

Hi,

I'm on my way to Rio and Copacabana. I'm planning to stay at the Promenade Princess Copacabana hotel. I wonder if any on this forum have any ide'a if this hotel are girlfriendly.

Regards

[Mangera]

Can anyone recommend apartments for rent by owner in or near Centro area? Thanks.

[Questner]

Hi,

I'm on my way to Rio and Copacabana. I'm planning to stay at the Promenade Princess Copacabana hotel. I wonder if any on this forum have any ide'a if this hotel are girlfriendly.

Regards

yes, it's on my list of GF venues

[Buscemi]

Hi,

I'm on my way to Rio and Copacabana. I'm planning to stay at the Promenade Princess Copacabana hotel. I wonder if any on this forum have any ide'a if this hotel are girlfriendly.

Regards

The Promenade Princess Copa. is 100% Garota friendly with one exception, only one at a time!

Great breakfast on the second floor if you are up in time.

[Sloored]

Guys, going to Rio for a Short R & R looking for apartment without 5 - 7 nights required.

We will be arriving 10/29 and departing 11/2.

We are looking for the following:
24 Security/Doorman
Girl Friendly
3 bedrooms
2 baths at least
Cable not required
Internet Access would be nice.

Everything that I have found so far requires 5 nights at a minimum.

Any links or information you can provide would be great.

Post here or PM with details!

Thanks,

Sloozil

[Marcop 12]

Guys, going to Rio for a Short R & R looking for apartment without 5 - 7 nights required.

We will be arriving 10/29 and departing 11/2.

We are looking for the following:
24 Security/Doorman
Girl Friendly
3 bedrooms
2 baths at least
Cable not required
Internet Access would be nice.

Everything that I have found so far requires 5 nights at a minimum.

Any links or information you can provide would be great.

Post here or PM with details!

Thanks,

Sloozilhttp://www.posto8.com/ This is the ultimate party pad, got everything on your required list and a lot, lot more ;)

[Sloored]

http://www.posto8.com/ This is the ultimate party pad, got everything on your required list and a lot, lot more ;)Thanks for the info!

[WaynesWorld]

I am staying at the Orla Copacabana Hotel and it is not girl friendly. They stopped me from bringing a girl up yesterday afternoon. They won't allow a girl up during the day and at night they charge a 65 Real fee to register her. Don't stay here.

Wayne

[Garotalover]

I am staying at the Orla Copacabana Hotel and it is not girl friendly. They stopped me from bringing a girl up yesterday afternoon. They won't allow a girl up during the day and at night they charge a 65 Real fee to register her. Don't stay here.

WayneSo do you guy's know any girl friendly hotels in Ipanema or Copa? I have been to Rio 15+ times and have only stayed in apartments.. but now I want a hotel.. any advise? I know the Princess is gdp friendly, any others? I am so fed up with apartments I need a change!

[Poucolouco]

I am staying at the Orla Copacabana Hotel and it is not girl friendly. They stopped me from bringing a girl up yesterday afternoon. They won't allow a girl up during the day and at night they charge a 65 Real fee to register her. Don't stay here.

Wayne

Orla has a reputation as a favorite hotel of gay men. Perhaps they don't want to intimidate the rest of their guests with too many women on the premises. Some hotels will allow you to register a guest and pay the fee but once registered, you cannot change guests.

[Eros74]

Looking for friendly hotels ?

These are for sure ..... LOL ;)

www.ciaplus.com/moteis.htm

[WaynesWorld]

I dont see much of a Gay population at this hotel.

Lot's of couples(M/F) and families.

[Marcop 12]

I dont see much of a Gay population at this hotel.

Lot's of couples(M/F) and families.Wtf! I don't know where to begin, is that just an observation or is there some form of question you wish to ask a hetro board?

For sure your in the wrong forum, I suggest you find some other fudge packing board to make your bizarre observations.

[Poucolouco]

Wtf! I don't know where to begin, is that just an observation or is there some form of question you wish to ask a hetro board?

For sure your in the wrong forum, I suggest you find some other fudge packing board to make your bizarre observations.

Not so fast with the slam, Marcop. WaynesWorld was merely responding to my comment #1453.

[Marcop 12]

Not so fast with the slam, Marcop. WaynesWorld was merely responding to my comment #1453.Apologies WW was too fast off mark, thought it was another 'gay' type comment, didnt see the original post as wasnt included in quotes, but reading the post on its own, i think you could see where i was coming from :)

[Scotob]

I have stayed at various hotels in Rio in my many journeys. Some allow women up to the room with very little or no charge whatsoever, just as long as they register at the front desk. Others DO allow them up to the room, but with a very large fee involved, sometimes almost half the room charge (for 1 night). This extra fee can become very costly if one does this many consecutive nights. Would the term "girl friendly" apply to both examples I just gave, or just the first example? When a specific hotel is mentioned, and the term NOT girl friendly" is used, does that mean that they are not allowed up no matter what, or a large fee is involved? I am considering staying at the Porto Bay Internacional Hotel, and was curious as to the "girl friendly" status of this hotel.

[Shemp]

I have stayed at various hotels in Rio in my many journeys. Some allow women up to the room with very little or no charge whatsoever, just as long as they register at the front desk. Others DO allow them up to the room, but with a very large fee involved, sometimes almost half the room charge (for 1 night). This extra fee can become very costly if one does this many consecutive nights. Would the term "girl friendly" apply to both examples I just gave, or just the first example? When a specific hotel is mentioned, and the term NOT girl friendly" is used, does that mean that they are not allowed up no matter what, or a large fee is involved? I am considering staying at the Porto Bay Internacional Hotel, and was curious as to the "girl friendly" status of this hotel.In my opinion girl-friendly means no fee, a place that charges a small fee I would classify as girl -tolerant.

As for the Porto Bay, I checked into staying there a couple of years ago & at that time they had a guest fee of 100R, which I would consider definitely girl-unfriendly.

[Devilspinkick]

So do you guy's know any girl friendly hotels in Ipanema or Copa? I have been to Rio 15+ times and have only stayed in apartments.. but now I want a hotel.. any advise? I know the Princess is gdp friendly, any others? I am so fed up with apartments I need a change!

It has been a long time since I've stayed in a hotel in Copa as well. But it's my understanding that the Atlantico Copacabana & the Premier Copacabana are both GF. When I get back to Rio this summer I'll probably stay at one of those two places so I guess I'll find out for sure. Dealing with apartment agencies in Rio can be a real pain in the arse sometimes. Too bad they aren't as user friendly and trustworthy as those in Buenos Aires.

- DSK

[Marcop 12]

So do you guy's know any girl friendly hotels in Ipanema or Copa? I have been to Rio 15+ times and have only stayed in apartments. But now I want a hotel. Any advise? I know the Princess is gdp friendly, any others? I am so fed up with apartments I need a change! Hotel Ibiza on rua Belfort Roxo, great location for leme, prado junior, balcony area. Cool, discreet staff, never any issues with girls, standard rate $R189-$R209. Girls have to sign in but no fee, although I have taken a couple of non-gdp back and and on each occasions just walked in (as though I didn't know the set up about signing in GDPs as I was with regular girl. And different staff just looked and didn't ask for her to sign. Split second they can tell a non-gdp from a GDP.

[Voyajer1]

Hotel Atlantica is definitely GF. I've made them my permanent resident whenever I visit :D.

It has been a long time since I've stayed in a hotel in Copa as well. But it's my understanding that the Atlantico Copacabana & the Premier Copacabana are both GF. When I get back to Rio this summer I'll probably stay at one of those two places so I guess I'll find out for sure. Dealing with apartment agencies in Rio can be a real pain in the arse sometimes. Too bad they aren't as user friendly and trustworthy as those in Buenos Aires.

- DSK

[Uli Pauls]

Knows somebody the Hotel Royal Rio Palace in Rua Duvivier in Rio. Ist it girlfriendly?

Is there a list, where I can see which hotels are girlfriendly?

[Uli Pauls]

Do somebody knows the Hotel Royal Rio Palace in Rua Duvivier in Rio? Is it girlfriendly?

Is there a list, where I can see which hotels are girlfriendly?

[Jan 156]

This post (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=942562&postcount=2567) should have been in this hotels section - but I was responding to a post from someone in the main Rio section. Link added in case it's of use. Newbies - if you stay in any of the Tiradentes area hotels (Presidente, Ibis, Formule), please take care walking from there to Lapa. The safer route (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=hotels&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&radius=0.61&sll=-22.906934,-43.178608&sspn=0.008025,0.01929&rq=1&ev=p&hq=hotels&hnear=&ll=-22.910037,-43.178051&spn=0.008025,0.01929&z=16) is via Lavadrio (which has many nice bars and eating places) rather than the more obvious one along Paraguai and the space-age-looking cathedral. Paraguai is ok especially daytime when you need to get to the tram or the theatre or to the Arches as long as you stay casually and discreetly on the look out.

[Marcop 12]

Can anyone confirm if Mercure or Mercure Botafogo specifically are girl friendly? I have only stayed once in a different Mercure in leblon but on that occasion I checked in with non-gdp but I think it actually was GF.

I was close to giving up on New Year as some of the prices was just nonsense and had back up of party at fishbones\Buzios but just got bargain deal through accorhotels.com and works out well as never stayed in Botofogo well never really ventured there at all. I believe theres some cool bars and restraunts if anyone got reviews of any places in the area p2p or not?

Also through the mercure your not tied in with package deals and was working out about one third to half of some other quotes and even apartments. Plus I scored a superior suite with 2 double beds in bedrooms with 3 lcds, jaquzzi, wifi etc for $R325 I could have got standard room cheaper but for extra 50R or so upgraded to superior suite not far of $R2000 for 7 nights over revellion and after that going some other places so works out good for me.

[Long John 200]

Hi,

I booked a last minute vacation to Rio but by favorate hotel Rio Rioss is booked solid. Planning on being in Rio on November 20 - 22 and have the following hotel options.

Porto Bay Rio Internacional Hotel
Apa Hotel
Tulip Inn Copacabana
Lancaster Othon Travel
Olinda Othon Classic
California Othon Classic
Premier Copacabana Hotel $134 CAD.
Best Western Rio Copa Hotel
Merlin Copacabana Hotel

I have been thinking of booking at the Premier Copacabana hotel but I would like something closer to the beach.

Also any other mongers that want to go have a few beers and hit the termas and Help would be welcome.

[Scotob]

Well, I know many of you will think I'm crazy, but I have decided to treat myself by staying at the JW Marriott for 11 days in early December. I've been visiting Rio since the mid 80's and I've always stayed at nice, but not great hotels, although for the price I pay, one would think they would be on the "higher" end. I adore the Brazilian breakfasts, and I have read that the Marriott has an exceptional one. I have always stayed in Ipanema, so staying in Copacabana will also be a first. I'm just wondering if anyone has any "hints" or advice on staying at the Marriott, and how I cam make my stay there as enjoyable as possible.

Thanks!

[Kman1]

Has anyone rented apartments from ez-riorentals? what is their reputation?

thanks..

[Exec Talent]

Has anyone rented apartments from ez-riorentals? what is their reputation?

thanks..
I had an issue with Kenn a few years back when a building manager (who lived right next door to the rental apartment) tried to shake me down for R$300. The police had been called when I physically had to remove a girl from the apartment (they sided with me). The building manager saw me there again after three months and decided he would cash in. I was new to Rio and thought that the police were charging the building a fee for coming out. As I found out that was not the case; the building manager was just trying to line his own pockets. Rather than tell the building manager to screw off, Kenn wanted me to pay the entire R$300. His reasoning, which he shared with me, was that he had to pay or the building manager would not let him rent the apartment in the future. I paid R$100 and told him that was more than enough.

Kenn also occasionally will post under another name to deride a competitor or promote his position that renting an apartment is much better than staying in a hotel.

I did not agree with how he handled the building manager, but understand that he was concerned about his livelihood. I do not think it is a fair business practice to pose as someone else to put down a competitor or promote your own business. However, I still recommend him here and to people looking for apartments because unlike some other agencies, he does not screw people over as a lifestyle.

Bottom line: what I have written is probably the worst that can be said about Kenn. I would rent from him again and recommend him to others because I think he tries to do the right thing by his clients. He lives here in Rio and needs to making a living. However, he is not out to get over on owners, other agencies and his clients on a regular basis to do so.

[Chris H]

I had an issue with Kenn a few years back when a building manager (who lived right next door to the rental apartment) tried to shake me down for R$300. The police had been called when I physically had to remove a girl from the apartment (they sided with me). The building manager saw me there again after three months and decided he would cash in. I was new to Rio and thought that the police were charging the building a fee for coming out. As I found out that was not the case; the building manager was just trying to line his own pockets. Rather than tell the building manager to screw off, Kenn wanted me to pay the entire R$300. His reasoning, which he shared with me, was that he had to pay or the building manager would not let him rent the apartment in the future. I paid R$100 and told him that was more than enough.

Kenn also occasionally will post under another name to deride a competitor or promote his position that renting an apartment is much better than staying in a hotel.

I did not agree with how he handled the building manager, but understand that he was concerned about his livelihood. I do not think it is a fair business practice to pose as someone else to put down a competitor or promote your own business. However, I still recommend him here and to people looking for apartments because unlike some other agencies, he does not screw people over as a lifestyle.

Bottom line: what I have written is probably the worst that can be said about Kenn. I would rent from him again and recommend him to others because I think he tries to do the right thing by his clients. He lives here in Rio and needs to making a living. However, he is not out to get over on owners, other agencies and his clients on a regular basis to do so.

Yup, Kenn is good people,very helpful, and the fact that he lives in Rio makes everything better and more comfortable. I personally wish that I would have rented from him for my up coming trip!

[One Eyed Man]

I had an issue with Kenn a few years back when a building manager (who lived right next door to the rental apartment) tried to shake me down for R$300. The police had been called when I physically had to remove a girl from the apartment (they sided with me). The building manager saw me there again after three months and decided he would cash in. I was new to Rio and thought that the police were charging the building a fee for coming out. As I found out that was not the case; the building manager was just trying to line his own pockets. Rather than tell the building manager to screw off, Kenn wanted me to pay the entire R$300. His reasoning, which he shared with me, was that he had to pay or the building manager would not let him rent the apartment in the future. I paid R$100 and told him that was more than enough.

It still sounds like you got ripped off. Maybe Kenn took most of the pain, but what happened was still pure thievery. Maybe that's the way things go in Brazil: when someone really wants to rip you off, maybe the best you can do is lessen the rip-off. The question still bugs me, why you paid even R$100? Was it because it would have been deducted from your deposit and you had no choice?

[Jan 156]

It still sounds like you got ripped off. Maybe Kenn took most of the pain, but what happened was still pure thievery. Maybe that's the way things go in Brazil: when someone really wants to rip you off, maybe the best you can do is lessen the rip-off. The question still bugs me, why you paid even R$100? Was it because it would have been deducted from your deposit and you had no choice?
Or you could call it pure oiling the wheels. It's hardly a fortune. The guy (however unscrupulous - and unscrupulous bldg managers aren't uncommon) was inconvenienced. He's paid a pittance. He might be getting serious stick from the permanent residents of the building (who generally hate the gringo-puta nonsense bringing down the rep of the place). ET hangs out there a lot and decided it was worth it. Getting it down to R100 sounds quite reasonable to me. You can't charge the bl**dy woman. Can you. Brasil is not a hard-assed western world where one person wins and the other loses. Accommodation and reaching an agreement is far more usual. An even better deal would have been to extract some good will from the payment. But it's sometimes hard to think of these things on the spur of the moment and when you're new to Rio.

Other options? I might have tried to placate the building manager personally. Take a bit of time. Get him on a wavelength. Then generously give him 50R in consideration of the inconvenience and so on - so no-one loses face. No guarantee it'd work but if you're gonna come back and get rid of the tattoo you gotta learn to compromise.

[Kman1]

Well, I know many of you will think I'm crazy, but I have decided to treat myself by staying at the JW Marriott for 11 days in early December. I've been visiting Rio since the mid 80's and I've always stayed at nice, but not great hotels, although for the price I pay, one would think they would be on the "higher" end. I adore the Brazilian breakfasts, and I have read that the Marriott has an exceptional one. I have always stayed in Ipanema, so staying in Copacabana will also be a first. I'm just wondering if anyone has any "hints" or advice on staying at the Marriott, and how I cam make my stay there as enjoyable as possible.

Thanks!

I only stayed there one night. Rooms are nice but small like any other hotel in the area. The inside rooms have no view except the small courtyard in the middle of the hotel. Good internet up/downlink if you are on business. Service was good and lot of activity in the lobby during the day so it might be tricky to get a pro in esp. if she looks like one. At night no problem, no fee, the girl just has to sign in and give id. The great part is if for any reason you have problems with ur companion just call security and they'll escort her out.

[Kman1]

I had an issue with Kenn a few years back when a building manager (who lived right next door to the rental apartment) tried to shake me down for R$300. The police had been called when I physically had to remove a girl from the apartment (they sided with me). The building manager saw me there again after three months and decided he would cash in. I was new to Rio and thought that the police were charging the building a fee for coming out. As I found out that was not the case; the building manager was just trying to line his own pockets. Rather than tell the building manager to screw off, Kenn wanted me to pay the entire R$300. His reasoning, which he shared with me, was that he had to pay or the building manager would not let him rent the apartment in the future. I paid R$100 and told him that was more than enough.

Kenn also occasionally will post under another name to deride a competitor or promote his position that renting an apartment is much better than staying in a hotel.

I did not agree with how he handled the building manager, but understand that he was concerned about his livelihood. I do not think it is a fair business practice to pose as someone else to put down a competitor or promote your own business. However, I still recommend him here and to people looking for apartments because unlike some other agencies, he does not screw people over as a lifestyle.

Bottom line: what I have written is probably the worst that can be said about Kenn. I would rent from him again and recommend him to others because I think he tries to do the right thing by his clients. He lives here in Rio and needs to making a living. However, he is not out to get over on owners, other agencies and his clients on a regular basis to do so.


Thanks. Other places charge the security deposit on your card but here its cash only. So just need to carry some extra cash. And another thing is I dont remember paying a cleaning fee with gringo mgmt or another place but with Kenn its 65 reais and he also said they'll charge for extra electricity!! otherwise the apts look decent and guess it'll work out good.

[Exec Talent]

It still sounds like you got ripped off. Maybe Kenn took most of the pain, but what happened was still pure thievery. Maybe that's the way things go in Brazil: when someone really wants to rip you off, maybe the best you can do is lessen the rip-off. The question still bugs me, why you paid even R$100? Was it because it would have been deducted from your deposit and you had no choice?
Paying even R$1 under the circumstances meant I got ripped off. Keep in mind that this was at least three months after the police had been called to the apartment. If the building manager had not seen me in the elevator I doubt that he would have contacted Kenn about paying the R$300. I was renting a two bedroom apartment with a live-in maid by myself, so I am sure the building manager was thinking in typical Brazilian fashion -- the gringo has money so I should have some of it.

If I had had a direct relationship with the building manager I would have told him in no uncertain terms to screw off. However, many of you know Kenn and know he is a disabled war veteran. I have a lot of respect for those who serve or have served in the military. The apartment I rented was one of his best apartments, so not being able to rent it in the future definitely would have impacted his livelihood. I didn't want to do that, so I sucked it up, apologized to the building manager (again) about the problem I had caused (he spoke English BTW) and went about my business. I have had no indication in the past or since that Kenn does anything other than try to do right by his clients.

[Hughdad]

I have had no indication in the past or since that Kenn does anything other than try to do right by his clients.Rented from Kenn once. Only needed a place for 4 nights and he hooked me up on very short term notice. Yes, I paid a cleaning fee of R$65 but he explained it was because he normally rents for 5 nights. He didn't take a deposit from me. I'd use him again.

[Hughdad]

Well, I know many of you will think I'm crazy, but I have decided to treat myself by staying at the JW Marriott for 11 days in early December. I've been visiting Rio since the mid 80's and I've always stayed at nice, but not great hotels, although for the price I pay, one would think they would be on the "higher" end. I adore the Brazilian breakfasts, and I have read that the Marriott has an exceptional one. I have always stayed in Ipanema, so staying in Copacabana will also be a first. I'm just wondering if anyone has any "hints" or advice on staying at the Marriott, and how I cam make my stay there as enjoyable as possible.

Thanks!I stayed there once for 2 nights (using my Marriott reward points). Otherwise the small, inside Atrium facing room would have cost $360 US per night! They are very watchful there with a security often near the elevator. Plus the front desk is there too. If your lady friend is dressed right you should no problems. They are "girl friendly" in that regard and will have her register. But they certainly do not embrace it. When I stayed there they put me on the executive floors because I was a gold member using my points. So I got treated to a free breakfast every morning in the executive lounge. I did venture down to the 2nd floor restaurant once to look at the breakfast. It looked great, but not much more than the free breakfast I am enjoying everyday now at the Hotel Atlantico Copacabana. To me the rooms were very small. The rooftop pool area is nice (though the pool is small). Nice hotel location. Nice lobby too and helpful staff.

[Hughdad]

I'm just wondering if anyone has any "hints" or advice on staying at the Marriott, and how I cam make my stay there as enjoyable as possible.

Thanks!A few more thoughts came to mind:

There is an outdoor/indoor restaurant just to the right as you exit the lobby facing the ocean. Regular crowd there. I grabbed a few quick snacks there on the go. Staff was great. They have this white fish meal where the fish is served hanging on skewers (with broccolli rice and fried bananas) that is delicious. Good Portugeuse pizza and ice cream sundaes too. One time I was sick and they made me a big bowl of fresh chicken soup in a sealed container with fresh bread and gave me silverwear to take back to the Marriott. Not the best food in the world, but good comfort food, reasonably priced. Good to grab when in a hurry.

Monte Carlo is only a few blocks down to your left.

You are far enough away from Help to see a big difference in the sidewalk scene.

Hotel has a great beach service - towels, umbrellas, chairs.

Hotel has good car service available right out front if you need. They hooked me up with a driver for one day - where I did all the sightseeing places and he took me to some out of way places too. We had lunch and dessert in a few great places he took me to. Was a great way for me to learn so much about Rio on my first trip.

[Sperto]

Hotel has a great beach service - towels, umbrellas, chairs.
A side-note: Just a thought about towels.

Going to the beach with a "Marriot" towel must almost be as hard as arriving with a red and white "Othon Palace" towel. It attracts all the low-life as flies on shit.

It's fun watching the beach-hustlers in front of Othon Palace. When they see a gringo arriving they all run up to the poor guy offering chairs, cold beer, ladies, drugs etc. They almost fight over the poor guy. What makes the guys with the giant-balls, ugly belly-button etc go even wilder is when a gringo arrives with a "Othon Palace" towel. "Filé mignon" arriving.

Not to forget, a gringo bringing a towel to the beach in Brazil makes him look almost as stupid as a gringo changing to swimming trunks one the beach. The same goes for kangas, guys don't use kangas. Guys in Brazil are supposed to sit on his T-shirt, the girls kanga, in a chair or stand up squeezing his balls.

[Hughdad]

Guys in Brazil are supposed to sit on his T-shirt or stand up squeezing his balls.Too funny and true!

I did not find the hustler scene in front of Marriott too wild at all, but it was well over a year ago. The hotel maintains a kiosk further down on the beach with all the supplies that a guest can pick up right on the beach, rather then having to haul them down with them.

I have this old beat up beach towel that I bought in Hermosa Beach, Ca a long time ago. It is my Pussy Woki (Mr. Mom reference - anyone?). I never use a chair or umbrella. If I get too hot I know where to go to find shade!

Cheers (and thanks again for your great maps - they are priceless)!

[Rio Bob]

A side-note: Just a thought about towels.

Going to the beach with a "Marriot" towel must almost be as hard as arriving with a red and white "Othon Palace" towel. It attracts all the low-life as flies on shit.

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If you stay at the Marriot you do not arrive on the beach with a towel. The Marriot has it's own security and section in front of the hotel on the beach. They provide the big lounge chairs, towel for the lounge chair and bathing towels to dry off after a dip. Plus the guys who provide the chairs/towels watch your stuff and watch you. So no flies on shit here. As a matter of fact this is a very nice part of Copacabana. No Ho's either.

The Othon Palace unfortunately is in a bad spot for regular tourists, I'm sure they want Help to close as well as Meia Pataca and Ho beach. The Othon could have been a nice hotel if it was in a better location but it's price is depressed to attract tourists because of it's reputation of where it is locared. Not sure if they provide towels and chairs and umbrellas but I think they do.

[Sperto]

If you stay at the Marriot you do not arrive on the beach with a towel. The Marriot has it's own security and section in front of the hotel on the beach. They provide the big lounge chairs, towel for the lounge chair and bathing towels to dry off after a dip. Plus the guys who provide the chairs/towels watch your stuff and watch you. So no flies on shit here.
That's chique, they have baby-sitters that chase away the flies. :D

How boring...

[Rio Bob]

That's chique, they have baby-sitters that chase away the flies. :D

How boring...

Yeah one time I walked away from the "Protected Area" and went down to sit in the sand by the water line off to the right. The guy from the Marriott came up to me and said it would be better for me to go back to my chair that it was unsafe here. I told him: Thank you for your concern but I wil be ok.

Most regular tourists look for this type of thing in Rio plus for $360 a day plus tax for the cheapest room this service is included along with the pool on the roof which is pretty nice and the rooftop Gym along with a sauna. It's a nice hotel, nice lobby bar which I like very much and go to often.

[Sperto]

Yeah one time I walked away from the "Protected Area" and went down to sit in the sand by the water line off to the right. The guy from the Marriott came up to me and said it would be better for me to go back to my chair that it was unsafe here. I told him: Thank you for your concern but I wil be ok.

Most regular tourists look for this type of thing in Rio plus for $360 a day plus tax for the cheapest room this service is included along with the pool on the roof which is pretty nice and the rooftop Gym along with a sauna. It's a nice hotel, nice lobby bar which I like very much and go to often.
Who needs a protected area?

I have my regular barraca. I got "my spot" to put my own beach-chair. If some low-life gets to close to my belongings while I take a dip, my neighbours or the barraca-owner will give a yell. No need for other security.

[Eros74]

Who needs a protected area?

I have my regular barraca...

Sperto hi, I got the same problem during the couple of days I was alone waiting for my buddy arrive from the States. Alone at the beach and I did not know whom to trust to take a look to my stuff when I went to swimm.

I did not have, obviously much money with me, but to when my friend was swimming they rob his hawayana (beach shoes, did I write correctly ? ).

Do you tip the owner of barraca that gives you the chair and even better do you trust him ? Cause often they care to the other customers and care almost nothing to your stuff...IMHO.

[Sperto]

Do you tip the owner of barraca that gives you the chair and even better do you trust him ? Cause often they care to the other customers and care almost nothing to your stuff...IMHO.
No tipping, I'm a returning customer.
I trust "my" barraca owner 100%. If I bring camera etc to the beach I hand it over to the barraca-owner while taking a dip.

If you don't know the barraca owner it still works fine. Just buy something to drink.

Even better is asking some hot woman on the beach to watch your stuff while you go for a swim. It works great for opening a conversation.

[Shemp]

Swimming they rob his Hawayana (beach shoes, did I write correctly ? ).

hawayana = havianas

[Papi Muy Rico]

Going to Rio, arriving Feb. 7, Leaving Feb. 12 ( 5 nights).

Our requirements:

AC in the room(s). Not to far from the beach, TV.

Won't cook or wash clothes.

Anything else not really needed.

We are on a budget.

[Rio Bob]

Going to Rio, arriving Feb. 7, Leaving Feb. 12 ( 5 nights).

We are on a budget.

What kind of budget are you on? A Muy Rico budget or a NO Muy Rico budget?

[Sushilover808]

Going to Rio, arriving Feb. 7, Leaving Feb. 12 ( 5 nights).

Our requirements:

AC in the room(s). Not to far from the beach, TV.

Won't cook or wash clothes.

Anything else not really needed.

We are on a budget.

I'm staying at the Bamboo Hostel in December. It has private rooms with insuite bath with prices starting at 130 reais per night for a double: http://www.bamboorio.com/

Other choices here: http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/brazil/rio-de-janeiro/

[Papi Muy Rico]

What kind of budget are you on? A Muy Rico budget or a NO Muy Rico budget?


Limited budget of course.

[Sprite13]

I'm looking for either a 3 bedroom apartment or a 2 bedroom apartment with a sofa-bed in the living room in the Zona Sul for the week of Carnaval (12 to 20 Feb 2010) at a reasonable price (budget of + or - 3000 Reais for accommodation for that week). I usually stay at the Rio Othon Palace where I pay only $650 for any week of the year including Reveillon and Carnaval but because 2 of my buddies for whom it's their first time in Brasil are coming with me, the Othon Palace is not an option. So I'm open to any good suggestions please.

Thanks.

[Sunset Strip]

Going to Rio, arriving Feb. 7, Leaving Feb. 12 ( 5 nights).

Our requirements:

AC in the room(s). Not to far from the beach, TV.

Won't cook or wash clothes.

Anything else not really needed.

We are on a budget.


Also try: http://www.angrensehotel.com.br/localizacao_ing.php

they speak english

[Tripod007]

I just booked a trip to Rio coming up in 2 weeks. I really need advice on areas and hotels. Everyone keeps telling me how dangerous Rio is.

Is it OK to stay in Copacabana or am I going to get killed or beaten up?

Can anyone recommend a good GF hotel (hopefully no fee for GF) that has internet and a safe?

Any additional advice is very welcome. I've been hearing nothing but Rio horror stories for the last 3 days.

[Exec Talent]

I just booked a trip to Rio coming up in 2 weeks. I really need advice on areas and hotels. Everyone keeps telling me how dangerous Rio is.

Is it OK to stay in Copacabana or am I going to get killed or beaten up?

Can anyone recommend a good GF hotel (hopefully no fee for GF) that has internet and a safe?

Any additional advice is very welcome. I've been hearing nothing but Rio horror stories for the last 3 days.
Actually, it is not get killed OR beaten up; you will first get beaten AND then killed. Although it is chaotic here, there are rules.

My recommendation is to cancel your trip. If you are too lazy to read the crime and safety thread or to do something as simple as search on the term “girl friendly” on this thread, Rio is not for you. The bad guys will recognize that you are a lazy-assed gringo and at a minimum take your lunch money. The subsequent crying will get you beaten AND killed.

[Jan 156]

That's a bit harsh ET. I think beating someone up after killing them is more the Rio way - less hassle. This beating people up first is very European/American. Why beat them up if they hand over all their money/belongings (newbie tourist tax) when asked to do so? And if they say no, killing them is less risky than beating them up first.

Unless you're a drug dealer or [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off a policeman, in which case they might torture you with a plastic bag tight over the head etc. But beat them up? Nah!

[Jan 156]

I just booked a trip to Rio coming up in 2 weeks. I really need advice on areas and hotels..
honestly mate, set aside 2 days to read thru this Rio forum, plus Bubba's guide and associated threads on safety and hotels and so on. Rio's not a simple stopover. It's a big, complicated city. Copa is the size of a small city in itself. Giving you a quick paragraph of 'advice' might be reassuring but can't necessarily help you that much. If you really don't have the time, good luck. You'll get more out of Rio on your second trip. Once you've an idea of Rio first hand.

[Eros74]

I just booked a trip to Rio coming up in 2 weeks....

Do not do as me, I decided and bought the ticket to Rio when I got confirmation of holidays from my boss at work and I left 4 days later, no time at all to read the forum or better I tried, but too many infos and no enough time.

With 14 days, you can read a lot, to read the forum is the best suggest we can give you. No problem if you forget your suitcase at home, you can buy clothes there, but do not forget to read here or you will hardly able to enjoy your first time to Rio.

Do not be lazy, try to meet with some monger once there and....please once back home, we wait your report ;)

Enjoy the heaven

[Scotob]

I had a phenomenal experience at the hotel. OK, yes, its expensive, as I paid $257/night (American) But there are some advantages to take note. First and foremost, the hotel is girl friendly, and I paid absolutely nothing extra for them. They get the great breakfast if they want it, and the girls LOVED the pool on top of the hotel as well as the exercise machines there. I have stayed at many 3 and 4 star hotels in Ipanema where I had to pay 60 or 70 Reals for the girls on top of my everyday charge per night and no breakfast for them the next morning. A big plus, is when I would tell some of the girls I was staying there, they wanted the opportunity to sleep in the most comfortable beds in Rio, as I guess they have the reputation for that, and they were much more willing to negotiate a more reasonable price with me. Also, yes I had an atrium view, but it was so dark and quiet that I could sleep any time of day there, and think it was night. When the room lights were on, the room was bright and cheerful! The security is excellent, the concierge is very helpful, and I was never questioned about any of my guests, even when I had 1 stay till 4am, let her leave, called another one, and she arrived 5 minutes after the 1st one had left. No questions asked whatsoever, except for them always having to sign in. The restaurant staff went out of there way to be accommodating, especially at breakfast. Albeit, it is not the equivalent of a JW Marriott in say, Cancun, or Houston, especially when it comes to room size, I was still thoroughly satisfied with my stay there!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.

[Golfinho]

I had a phenomenal experience at the hotel. OK, yes, its expensive, as I paid $257/night (American) But there are some advantages to take note. First and foremost, the hotel is girl friendly, and I paid absolutely nothing extra for them. They get the great breakfast if they want it, and the girls LOVED the pool on top of the hotel as well as the exercise machines there. I have stayed at many 3 and 4 star hotels in Ipanema where I had to pay 60 or 70 Reals for the girls on top of my everyday charge per night and no breakfast for them the next morning. A big plus, is when I would tell some of the girls I was staying there, they wanted the opportunity to sleep in the most comfortable beds in Rio, as I guess they have the reputation for that, and they were much more willing to negotiate a more reasonable price with me. Also, yes I had an atrium view, but it was so dark and quiet that I could sleep any time of day there, and think it was night. When the room lights were on, the room was bright and cheerful! The security is excellent, the concierge is very helpful, and I was never questioned about any of my guests, even when I had 1 stay till 4am, let her leave, called another one, and she arrived 5 minutes after the 1st one had left. No questions asked whatsoever, except for them always having to sign in. The restaurant staff went out of there way to be accommodating, especially at breakfast. Albeit, it is not the equivalent of a JW Marriott in say, Cancun, or Houston, especially when it comes to room size, I was still thoroughly satisfied with my stay there!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php) for more information.Important to keep this kind of info updated. Things worked a bit differently at the Marriott when they first opened. Now, if only the Copacabana Palace would come around to this way of treating their guests...

[Frenchieboy]

I am in contact with a man called Vincenzo Capasso to rent an apartment in Copa Is anybody had a deal with him before for a rental apartment?
Thanks a lot

[Isquan28]

Is the Golden Tulip Continental GF.

[Vdurieu]

Hello

I have a room at hotel 'mar ipanema' next week but hotel told me that they are not girlfriendly. Too bad.

Do you have a motel to recommand in ipanema for short time fun?

Or maybe I have to give a tip to the hotel to let me in with ladies. Any experience about that?

Thanks

[Leblon]

What is reasonable price/day for apartment in Cobacapana during carneval day ?? How many reais ??

I don't need any luxury, just place to sleep, take shower and bring girls in.
I have got some offers but it would be nice to know general price level nowadays ?? And are there still lot of apartments available for carneval time ??
No need for beach view either.

Maybe this recession has decreased number of tourists visiting this year ??

[Leblon]

What is reasonable price/day for apartment in Cobacapana during carneval day ?? How many reais ??

I don't need any luxury, just place to sleep, take shower and bring girls in.
I have got some offers but it would be nice to know general price level nowadays ?? And are there still lot of apartments available for carneval time ??
No need for beach view either.

Maybe this recession has decreased number of tourists visiting this year ??

I did not get any answers but my question was maybe too general.

Here is what I ended up paying: Carneval time, 500 reais/day for 5 days. So I am already robbed before even coming to the country !!
Other days 100 reais/day which is more reasonable. This is in Avenida Atlantico with great views (which I did not need).
I heard one friend telling that apartment which are more far from beach and cheaper (what I wanted) are gone because everybody else wants to save money.
Probably you could still get apartment with much cheaper prize but I am lazy, just wanted to get it solved.

This is near Othon palace so near ex-Help (sniff....). I hope that Meia Pataca is still working and girls are still going to ***** Beach in front of Othon.

So going to Rio, paying 500 reais/day and then fight with girls if I pay 100 or 150 reais for session....How stupid

[Tennessee]

I just booked a trip to Rio coming up in 2 weeks. I really need advice on areas and hotels. Everyone keeps telling me how dangerous Rio is.

Is it OK to stay in Copacabana or am I going to get killed or beaten up?

Can anyone recommend a good GF hotel (hopefully no fee for GF) that has internet and a safe?

Any additional advice is very welcome. I've been hearing nothing but Rio horror stories for the last 3 days.I have been to Rio and did not have any problem what so ever. Like ANY big city you have to be aware of your surrounding. Use some common sense(do not walk on the beach alone at 5:30 in the morning for example. I amazes me that people from Miami, New York, Memphis, San D, Tampa. Atlanta, etc etc are scared of Rio. I did find the Bubba guide had some good info.

[Jan 156]

Your main problem trying to find a place near to carnaval is just that - most are booked out. I posted some examples on the carnaval thread. Ibis in Tiradentes was around double normal but fully booked weeks ago. So was the shitty one opposite. Felipe from Rent a Flat - a few yards from Siq Campos station on BR, will give you a decent guide. He doesn´t overcharge or give much leeway, so his starting price is more or less the finishing price and average, or a bit less, for the area and time of year. Basically tho - for future ref - if you are coming mainlyu cos of carnaval, centro is better. The only reason I stay in Copa is cos a friend gives me a place cheaper than I can get in town for anything decent. If your main interest is not Carnaval, much better to choose a different time of year (ie not end of Dec to end of March). It is only the actual days of official carnaval that are sky high in ´proper´ hotels. Not the surrounding days. But for Copa, all tourists are fresh meat this time of year!!!