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RexG
11-11-05, 15:00
Having experienced no girl unfriendliness at Mercure Jardins last May, I decided to return there this month. During my stay, I had guests visit four times. On two ocaasions I was hit with a R$50.00 guest fee. Since I was paying for a double room, I was able to get these charges reversed, but I hated the hassle.

I believe the same desk clerk was responsible for both charges. When he wasn´t there, no guest charge was applied. (On the other hand, they do have a form for this purpose, so maybe official policy is to charge.)

A word of caution on the blond Gabriela at Ellass. Performance was good, but this girl is significantly heavier than her photos suggest.

Rex

Frank White
11-12-05, 19:44
Have any Forum Members been around when Mike Tyson went into action
thursday night at Bahamas?

Would be interesting to hear first-hand from fellow mongers how he handled things in there.

As it's said he was denied to bring up 6(!) GDPs to his hotel room (Crowne Plaza) the night before, seems not a guest-friendly place:-)

Frank

Member #4643
11-12-05, 20:41
The official policy is NOT to charge for the guest if you pay for a double. I know this because I asked before paying for the double room when I was last there (late August 2005). What I am not certain about is if they should be charging you $50BR when you bring two girls to your room. They did not, but I do not know the official policy on this because I am too timid to ask.

Bubba Boy
11-13-05, 03:08
Firstly, I stayed at the old Mercure Downtown hotel now http://www.atlantica-hotels.com/atlantica/ . Same rate about R119, still very guest friendly, no charge and didn't even insist on having the girl sign in.

Mike Tyson: Went to Sampa with 2 friends. The first guy sees Mike in Cafe Photo on tuesday night. Apparently he was relatively cordial. It is later reported in the media that he tried to have 6 girls admitted to his hotel and was refused.

Wednesday night I am sitting down at Bahamas, and my friend says "there Mike". Sure enough Mike walks in and sits to the left of the stage in an area roped off where girls had been eating earlier in the night. The owner of Bahamas "Oscar" sits with him for a while. Everything is cool. We have way to many drinks, pay an expensive bill by Rio standards and leave. When we arrive back at the hotel (former Mercure Downtown now atlantica downtown) there is a shit load of Policia accross the road opposite Love Story. My friend goes into Love Story and sees 20 or so Policia enter and stand in front of Mike, trying to intimidate him. Eventually Mike is taken out of the club and taken away. Apparently he will be charged with a minor offence that will not even require a court appearance. He apparently grabbed a camera and took the film from it, judging by the "unmarked" cameraman, if he did get hit by Mike it was nothing but a minor push.

Bahamas: My first visit to this place. Rio has nothing to compare to it as far as the facilities go, they were a 5 star standard. However in my opinion the girls were about the same quality you would see in any Rio terma but twice the price. They also look different, less morenas and more white looking girls.

Entrada R121 (no drinks included), Room R99 (edited - thanks comgo) , saida R121 (bar fine to take girls out), girls settled on R250 to R300 in house and were looking at R300-R350 for exit, although they opened with R150 more than this to start. Interestering we got some good inside info from 2 ex Rio terma girls that we knew.

Comgo
11-13-05, 04:26
Bahamas: My first visit to this place. Rio has nothing to compare to it as far as the facilities go, they were a 5 star standard. However in my opinion the girls were about the same quality you would see in any Rio terma but twice the price. They also look different, less morenas and more white looking girls.

Entrada R121 (no drinks included), Room R70, saida R121 (bar fine to take girls out), girls settled on R250 to R300 in house and were looking at R300-R350 for exit, although they opened with R150 more than this to start. Interestering we got some good inside info from 2 ex Rio terma girls that we knew.

BB, I heard that the room was now R99 for one hour after the recent price increases (like entrada went from R101 to R121). Do you know for sure if it's R70 still? Did you go talk to Mike at all? You should have asked him to take a picture biting your ear! Just kidding.

peter panochito
11-13-05, 12:50
Hi all!

Do anybody spam Bahamas club web adress.

I know that owner of the club his name is Oscar and he run Hilton hotel as well,also live web cam from Bahamas.

So if somebody knows it'll be apreciated.

Tnx!www.bahamasclub.com.br

Bubba Boy
11-13-05, 13:57
Yeah you are right it is R99 for the room, I wrote done a bunch of stuff on my notebook and accidently put the old price here.

I didn't talk to Mike, I was with a couple of Americans who did have a quick chat, Mike even grabbed one of them in a headlock (playing around). I personally would rather talk to a girl than Mike, he isn't exactly a rocker scientist, I guess you could argue neither are the girls, but at least they have breasts!

Ceylon1
11-14-05, 03:07
"Ola Amigos !!

Back on the SP Forum , after a long time - lost "touch" with the web-site - My last reports in NovDec 03.
I have not posted my Oct 04 reports either.
Will NOT repeat infor, I have previously posted about "Sampa" - eg on Clinicas Massagems & Prives Casa's etc - that I have visited in prior years.

Will only report on fun places "new" to me, "discovered" this trip - SepOct 05.
14 days in Sao Paulo.
Taxi driver took me to -

TERMAS EU & ELAS
Rua Pires da Mota 494
Aclimacao
11-3209-2756
Metro station - VERGUEIRO - then R 8 taxi ride.

A banner proudly proclaims that they have been in the same location for the last 34 years.
Basically locals - Asst Manager - Mr Pedro , speaks basic English.

Entrada R 79, includes 2 drinks & buffet. Prices of extra drinks - similar to that of a Rio Termas.
Club claims to have over 50 hostress - on a Friday night, counted about 31 garotas.

First visit on a Tuesday at 7pm - slow day - just 5 men to about 20 garotas.
Many garotas - grade 8, maybe even a 9 .
Walked past the smiling bikini clad garotas in the Boite to -
the locker room which is Co-Ed, as I was changing to a robe, 3 garotas joined me - disrobing, and showing me their wares.

Next to the baths - also Co-Ed, 2 of the garotas join me & we had fun soaping each other.
Got a drink at the bar - on to the buffet.
While eating, invited GABRILLA, a 20 yr, caucasian from the state of Para to join me.
Soon she is playing with junior, while I am eating the buffet & my hands are exploring her body.
Next on to the lounge area for more foreplay.
( Taxi driver informed me that locals pay R 100 for 1 hour of sexo )
Offered Gabrilla R 100 - accepted. - also by all the other garotas on subsequent visits.

We then went to the "Sala de Video" - a room with a large screen TV, with XXX films - with benches for 4 couples to sit & watch or to get to know the garota more intimately.
Gabrilla, casually took off her Bra & allowed me to fondle & suck her tits, while she was giving me a slow BBBJ - all in semi-public.

Rooms on both floors - a choice of -
Private room - R 40
Semi-private room (upstairs) - with a large window for others to view the action - R 30
OR
Sexo in public - no room charge.
a large open sala (room) upstairs, with mirrows on walls / ceilings & a grand bed that could accomadate 3 or 4 couples -
with an additional "love" bench and - sometimes other couples, kissing & fondling, while waiting for an opening on the bed.
You are in the middle of a sex movie - its fantastic !!!

After the sexo - back to the communal Co-Ed baths for more soapy fun.
Next back to the Boite / Buffet, when I would be joined by the garotas, hoping to get to know me, by putting their hands inside my robe.

I would spend about 4 hours or more on each visit -
7 days at the Eu & Elas with -
GABRILLA - Caucasian - 20 yrs - from State of Para.
RACHEL - Morena - 29 yrs - Sao Paulo
GABI - Caucasian - 26 yrs - Mato Grosso do Sul
MANUELLA - Morena - 23 yrs - Mato Grosso
MARIANA - Caucasian - 25 yrs - Mineas Geries
VIVIANNE - Morena - 23 yrs - Sao Paulo
BRUNA - Morena - 19 yrs - Sao Paulo
MONIQUE - Caucasian - 20 yrs - Para
Luiza - Morena - 24 yrs - Mato Grosso do Sul

The club has a large contingent of garotas from the North & Central West Brasilian States.
Many girls only work a few days a week - believe that some are students, at a nearby college.

None of the garotas were clock watchers - fabulous GFE sex.
Unfortunately NO photos possible in the "open room"

I highly recommend Termas Eu & Elas for a unique experience.
My bills were always accurate - althu they realised that I was a foreigner.

Ate logo

Ceylon1
WorldTraveller aka Charles

Ceylon1
11-14-05, 16:25
Funkignitor

Thanks for comments - yes this club is unique !!!

Morena = BROWN skinned garota .
with mixture of Indiano / Native Brasilian / Caucasian mixture.
( similar to a brown skinned Hispanic girl in USA )

Some of the Garotas from Mato Grosso - could pass off as Thai / Filipino / South Asian.

There was only 1 Mulatta in the club.

Ate Logo

Ceylon1
WorldTraveller aka Charles

Prosal
11-14-05, 16:56
Ceylon

Not to be controvertial, but morena means brunette.

Great report.

Cheers

Sperto
11-14-05, 18:08
Pro and Ceylon,
You're both right.
Morena means both dark skinned woman and brunette. You also have variations like morena-clara, morena-escura, morena-canelada etc...
Ceylon, I'm looking forward to read your reports.

Wabbit
11-14-05, 19:21
Ceylon1,

I fully agree, this is a fun place. Posted a report approx. 2 weeks ago.

Found that most girls were different depending on the day.

Genghis Khan
11-14-05, 21:08
I want every detail please. I will be down there nov 14th -20th at the Hyatt

Regards

starfe

I am back today from my 17 days trip to Sao Paulo and I have a lot to report like incredible GFEs from WE and tapping into something I believe might be unexplored so far by gringos - the ultmiate high end level of Sao Paulo.

I will not report like I have used to with my trips in the past as this trip was sort of different for me. I ended up spending time with what I now consider my friends while on my previous trips I went solo on everthing. This means that I didn't explore as many high end restaurants and afternoon activities where more spending time with these friends. I will report on the girls I met though, but I have now just got off the plane and need some sleep to recover. Expect the reports to come in the following days.

GK

El Greco
11-14-05, 22:58
CEYLON 1

Sounds like paradise to me

Very good report. Thank you very much.

Any idea if they are open on Sundays?

I will be flying on the second next sunday from
BsAs to Belo through Sao and I can give it a try
while waiting for my connection.

El Greco

Sui Generis
11-14-05, 23:00
Pro and Ceylon,

You're both right.

Morena means both dark skinned woman and brunette. You also have variations like morena-clara, morena-escura, morena-canelada etc.

Ceylon,

I'm looking forward to read your reports.You're right there's a lot a variation, in terms of shades, in the meaning of the word «morena». Habitually the word is completed by an adjective to specify what type of morena we are referring to. For example: morena jambo.

Ceylon1
11-15-05, 02:20
'Oi Amigos !!

Communal Co-Ed bath room with 4 showers - has floor to ceiling sliding GLASS doors - facing the "relax" room with lounge chairs.
thus those sitting in one section of the "relax" room can see the soapy fun going on in the baths.

In the lounge area - more garotas would expose their boobs and play with "junior" openly - more nudity than in a Rio termas.
In the "Sala de Video" - all the garotas, I was with - exposed their cute tits, for fondling & sucking.

Noted - that once a garota had sexo with a client or two - many would leave for the day.

SPERTO - just sent you a private e-mail - we had communicated before, I lost "touch" with the site.
More reports coming soon.

WABBIT - just read your report - thanks.
Yes, agree with you on the high quality of the garotas - each day differant garotas - most only work 3 days a week -

EL GRECO - club is Closed on Sundays.
will soon post on the Centro Street full of cheapo casa's in Belo Horizonte

Ate logo

Ceylon1
WorldTraveller aka Charles

Hot To Cool
11-15-05, 08:58
Pro and Ceylon,
You're both right.
Morena means both dark skinned woman and brunette. You also have variations like morena-clara, morena-escura, morena-canelada etc...
Ceylon, I'm looking forward to read your reports.

"Morena" does mean brunette, but however is also used for dark-skinned or even black-skinned women, because they probably don't want to be called "preta," which is technically the correct term for the latter. In the US the term "morena" is also often used in Spanish in the same way, so as not to use the corresponding Spanish term "prieta."

Hot To Cool
11-15-05, 09:01
Pro and Ceylon,
You're both right.
Morena means both dark skinned woman and brunette. You also have variations like morena-clara, morena-escura, morena-canelada etc...
Ceylon, I'm looking forward to read your reports.

"Morena" does mean brunette, but however is also used for dark-skinned or even black-skinned women, because they probably don't want to be called "preta," which is technically the correct term for the latter. In the US the term "morena" is also often used in Spanish in the same way, so as not to use the corresponding Spanish term "prieta."

HTC

Sampa Guide
11-15-05, 23:28
Let's avoid confusions, here's a little vocabulary you may want to know:

Loira - blonde

Ruiva - red hair (artificially coloured hair most of the time)

Morena - Girl with dark hair (used for dark or light skin)

Morena clara - Girl with dark hair and brown or light brown skin

Morena escura- Girl with dark hair and dark brown skin

Negra - Girl with dark hair and black skin. It's not offensive, but "preta" is.

In other words, if you just ask for a "morena" you will get a girl with dark hair and the color of the skin may vary.

If you want a darker skin ask for "morena de pele escura"

If you want light skin ask for "morena de pele clara"

Hope it helps

Ceylon1
11-16-05, 06:37
'Ola Amigos !!

If "Cidade Maravilhosa" - is monger heaven.
Then "Sampa" - is monger paradise.
A surprise at every turn.

Exited Metro station, JUDAS - walked up to a taxi -
showed him a list of the nearby Clinicas Massagems / Prives Casa's -
asked, if he knew, of any other place.
-- "Yes, a special clinica - but its a R 30 taxi ride" ---
"Istaben Vamos" - OK, lets go !!

CLINICA ESMERALDA
Rua Luisiania 89 / corner Av Portugal
Novo Brooklin
Itaim Bibi.
11-5542-2196
Metro Station: JUDAS - then taxi.

Rang bell - entered lobby / boite.
Guarania in hand - surveyed the collection of Garotas available at about 4pm -
Loiras - Morenas - Mulattas
a total of 12 garotas in regular street clothes.

Mamasan explains the setup -
30 mts - R 90 - with sexo
60 mts - R 120 - with sexo
so whats the big deal !!!

"ESPECIALIDADE DE CASA"
( specialty of the house )

60 mts - R 190 - with 3 garotas
( 20 mts with each garota - with sexo )

Monger picks Garota # 1, other 2 garotas will be picked by the house and sent to room.

Picked - Elaine - Loira - 24 yrs - from Parana State.
-- tall slim big boobs -- my kind of girl --

Mamasan asks me to take a bath and go to a nearby room, with a large bed -

Garota # 1 - Elaine, in a sexy thong bikini awaits me.
enter - strip - action -
gentle sexo with BBBJ for the next 20 mts.
a knock - door opens - Elaine departs

Garota # 2 - NUBIA - Mulatta - 24 yrs - Bahia State
-- a full set on her chest - in a thong bikini
enter - strip - action -
a "lingua banho" , tongue bath - from head to toe.
starts a massage....
a knock - door opens - Nubia departs.

Garota # 3 - JESSICA - Loira - 20 yrs - Espiritu Santo State.
--short & sweet beauty, wicked looking smile, full of energy, in a thong bikini.
enter - strip - action -
rolls me over / pulls me up / turns me around / rides me cowgirl / reverse cowgirl / demands doggie / etc etc.

I am out of breath - heart beating faster...faster....faster.....
thankfully time over -
I am ESGOTADO - (exhausted)

Back to hotel & rested / recovered for the remainder of the day !!

Ate logo

Ceylon1
WorldTraveller aka Charles

Prosal
11-16-05, 10:29
"Linda morena fruta de vez temporana
Caldo de cana-caiana
Vou te desfrutar

Morena tropicana
Eu quero teu sabor ..."

Morena Tropicana - Alceu Valenca.

;-)

SkmSteve
11-16-05, 15:50
Hi Guys,
Sorry for the delay in posting, however the boss has been keeping me busy since I got back.
Anyway brazil….. days ½ in brazil in the last week of Nov I ended up in a city called Petrolina. It’s in the north east of Brazil, and essentially has one mongering club that most people know called chilacos. Opens late 10pm until 6am. They have rooms on site, or you can have takeaway. There is a entrance charge of Real 30. Drinks are reasonably prices, and the cost of a girl in the room was Real 150. I chose takeout for real 200 for the girl and 50 for the house, plus 10/20 for taxi. For this fee my girl of choice spent the night, often leaving about 7am. Sorry, I can’t remember her name, but here are some photos of her, She was a true sweetheart, fun to be with.

SkmSteve
11-16-05, 16:04
Day 3,4,5 &6 in Brazil in the last week of Nov I ended up in SP. First night I went to the kilt. A lot has been written here about the kilt, and consequently I don’t have much to add. I managed to pick up a young lass for 200real for 5 hours..

Day 4 I went to Bahamas. There was lots of talent here, and it was a case of how good you are at negotiating or how desperate you are to get laid. There was a great blond I took a fancy to, she asked for real 500 for the hour (11pm ..early for these places). I point out I want her company for a few hour, not the week, to which replied that she was a playboy model, and that is what I was paying for. After a while she came down to 400 real, I offered her 250 but she was not moving her price. I ended up going with a girl for 200real with a promise of an x/tra 50 if the service was good. She earned the tip. I also got her number to meet her the following day.

Day 5 I went to francbell.this place has changed somewhat, in that it has got bigger and there are more chicks to choose from. Cost here was 100 to the house and 150 to the girl.

Day 6 I was in Port Alegre. I end up at a well know boite call Groto azul (the blue cave) take out here was 200 real for about 3 hours.

Sorry on this part of the trip I was not able to get photos for you guys.

Sui Generis
11-16-05, 16:53
Let's avoid confusions, here's a little vocabulary you may want to know:

Loira - blonde


Just to complete, alas realistically, the list: loira de farmácia...

In Brazil, most «loiras» are «loiras de farmácia»...women with blonde-tinted hair.

SkmSteve
11-16-05, 17:24
Sorry guys, the report is in respect of the last week of oct not nov, i am already thinking of my pending trip to p/roco/columbia

steve

Zappaman
11-16-05, 23:15
Hello fellow mongers,

I am not much of a poster but I got a lot of good use from this board (actually all of Jackson's boards.) and thought I would add in a bit on this one.

Been here for a week and can give the following:

Romanza:

Romanza is open again. Went there the other night. Probably the worst south of the border hooker experience I have had in 5 years - but that was my mistake, not Romanzas.

For those who have never been - the club is nice, comfortable, etc. I was there about 1:00 A.M. and there were about 30 girls I could see. About 40 to 50 percent were real hotties.

Beyond taking a total psycho out of there, I thought the club sucked. Why? Because I got the complete gringo hassle treatment. Conveniently misunderstood orders via the waiters, everybody and their mother hassling me for tips, etc. I would not have minded so much except I was the absolute only one who got fucked with during my time in there. Funny, but I am pretty sure I was the only gringo in there too. I will never return, on principle alone.

I won't go into detail about the psycho because I'd rather forget about it and move on.

Kilt:

I've been in Kilt 3 times over the past week or so. Had one very good experience, another who was very average, and another who could have been very good but I was very drunk. Never paid more than 200 for the takeout, got one for 150.

I like Kilt but it is definetely mostly because of convenience to where I work. Too many "pros" in there most of the time and that's not my thing. It's a tourist bar which has it good and bad points because of that.

The cabines they have in there suck ass (and not in the good way) - just curtains around a couch and a table. For those who like them more power to you but, for the most part, if you negotiate correctly, you can pay about the same (+ taxi) and have sexo in the comfort of your hotel.

First Class:

Nobody seems to have posted about this place so I decided to check it out. I have conflicted opinions about this place. It's too dark for me in there and feels a little trashy. When I went it was mostly dead (and kind of early) - maybe 3 other guys and about 8 to 10 girls. However, I connected with a quite hot loira. If I remember correctly, the room rate was 50 (maybe 70), the girl I paid 150. Also, the house manager was a good guy and helped with explaining the rules/procedures/prices, etc. and translated my negotiations with the girl. Him, I freely tipped... While I thought the club room was trashy, the room I got was fine. I'd probably go back, but later in the night.

Internet:

I think there is only 2 references to this girl on this board. After being with her I am not quite sure why. Her name is Bella. As mentioned in another post, either here or in the directory, she is a very, very highly regarded on on GPguia and for good reason - she is a very, very hot babe. The excellent bonus is she is very well educated, speaks fluent English, and she is super in the sack. I think her quote was "I like to be evil, very evil in the bed"...

She was, I guess, expensive at 300 for 2 hours but she was with me for quite a long time - YMMV. She is quite firm on her rates but she is the best girl I've had in Sampa in the 4 1/2 years I've been coming here.

She can be found on a variety of websites but this is one of them: http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/morenas/bella.htm

As far as I am concerned she is much prettier in person, but to each their own. There is no doubt about her skills. Usually, I am bored with most chick's BJ skills but she rocked me. BBBJ, Anal on the dance card.

In short - classy, intelligent, speaks English very well, and a great fuck.

Internet sites in general:

I have seen a lot of back and forth about which sites are legit or not. My one recommendation/two cents worth would be Chantily (www.chantily.com.br) and pay the small fee to get the pictures -and- the intro videos. Nobody "photoshops" video.

Zappaman

Sui Generis
11-17-05, 19:40
I think there is only 2 references to this girl on this board. After being with her I am not quite sure why. Her name is Bella. As mentioned in another post, either here or in the directory, she is a very, very highly regarded on on GPguia and for good reason - she is a very, very hot babe. The excellent bonus is she is very well educated, speaks fluent English, and she is super in the sack. I think her quote was "I like to be evil, very evil in the bed"...

She was, I guess, expensive at 300 for 2 hours but she was with me for quite a long time - YMMV. She is quite firm on her rates but she is the best girl I've had in Sampa in the 4 1/2 years I've been coming here.

She can be found on a variety of websites but this is one of them: http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/morenas/bella.htm

As far as I am concerned she is much prettier in person, but to each their own. There is no doubt about her skills. Usually, I am bored with most chick's BJ skills but she rocked me. BBBJ, Anal on the dance card.

In short - classy, intelligent, speaks English very well, and a great fuck.

Zappaman

If I am not mistaken, I was the one who mentioned Bella on this board.

You can see some pics on this site:

http://www.gpsex.com.br/modelo_detalhes.php?id=707

Or on this site (Mistress Sabrina)

http://www.mistress-sabina.com/gallery.shtml

I met her in a private party at Bar Moça Bonita in Vila Olimpia. She is very good looking and speaks English fluently (she is even a private English teacher, if I'm not mistaken).

Zappaman, I don't think that she was too expensive because she charges habitually R$200 for 1h1/2. R$300 for two hours is not too bad considering the fact that she charges US$200 for two hours (R$437) on the Miss Sabrina site.

I don't like to say this (but this is a reality): habitually the girls charge more when they know that you are a gringo.

I didn't go out with her (because she is not my type. I prefer morenas) but I can confirm this: she is good loooking (she used to work at Café Photo after all!) and everybody seem to love her.

Rasmoeson
11-17-05, 20:38
hello dear fellows,

i'm trying to find some girls who are into rep001 and [CodeWord120] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord120) ([CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) & shit), but this seems hard to find to get some emailadresses or clubs who have girls who are into this. if you have a look on www.rep001inbrazil.com you should say that there must be enough girls who are into this.

please can somebody help me find some girls i'm a slave so receiving only.

thanx a lot [email address deleted by admin]

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Zappaman
11-17-05, 21:45
Sui Generis (and everyone else),

Umm, oops.

I meant "expensive" only in the sense that it seems a lot of mongers seem to use the 200/250 Reais mark as sort of a limit, or top point, etc. After re-reading my post I can see that I did not come close to making that clear. Also, part of the intent was to not get flamed from the "you spent too much and now you ruin it for everyone" club... Anyway, I wrote the whole damned post too fast and therefore now it doesn't read the way I was thinking it at the time.

Regardless, the Bella part was meant to be positive not a negative. I was still pissed off from the Romanza experience and it bled into the whole post. Oh well, fits one of my mantras: fuck up and learn from it...

So, to clarify:
Bella: Great body, great person, great sex and she speaks English as well, or better, than some of my friends at home - and worthy of the fees she charges! For those who want an English speaking companion I do not think you can go wrong with her.

For me, her price was not a problem (I could never honestly say it was since I agreed to it!) and considering the overall experience I had with her - a more than fair price... Indeed, she truly a great experience! It was more than a great sex experience but rather a really great overall experience. I've had girls for less money stay a long time, etc., etc. but this woman can bring more to the table than just great sex - which sometimes (not all the time...) matters to me.

About the pricing for non-Brazil guys: You are right but over the years I have found it is all about one's attitude, etc. Even the language barrier goes away quite a bit if one has the proper spirit/attitude. I have come here a couple of times per year since 2000 and most times I able to negotiate fair, local, rates - not always but most times.

Zappaman

J Wadd
11-18-05, 01:48
Thanks, Zappaman -- great report for so early in your career. Where is First Class? It sounds familiar.

TIA,
JWadd

Euro100
11-18-05, 05:38
Where is First Class?
Always towards the front of the plane!

Sorry, I couldn't resist ;)

euro

Sui Generis
11-18-05, 06:43
Where is First Class? JWadd

For your information:

First Class
Av. Brigadeiro Luis Antonio, 3.751 - Jardim Paulista
Phone number: 3889-9268 - 3057-1998
Open from Monday to Friday 06h PM to 05:00 AM and Saturday from 09:00 PM to 05:00 AM
Entrance Fee: 50,00
Presentinho to the girls (R$100,00 to 200,00 - you can bargain the price with the girl)

Site: http://www.firstclassnightclub.com.br

Coupe66
11-18-05, 14:11
Zappaman,

From my experience the best websites are contatos.com.br, abusado.com.br, sexdreams.com.br, pimp.com.br, chantilly.com.br, malicia.com.br, ellass.com.br, erosguide.com.br.

If you stick to these you cannot really go wrong and you shoud not miss any ladies. Of course there are endless other websites in Sao Paulo, but from my experience these are the best ones. It is also a question of personal preference, for example I find malicia has some great looking ladies but the website is a pain to navigate. Also websites like chantilly and erosguide you only see the womans face first, so you have to click on every photo to see if she has the body to match !!! Anyway, good luck and happy hunting !!!!

Of course if there are any other great websites which I have overlooked, I am keen to broaden my pussy horizons !!!!

John Corey
11-20-05, 23:09
Is Bahamas open? Would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks

Saint Bart
11-21-05, 18:18
Day 1: It was an 8 hour overnight flight from Miami to Sao Paulo’s International airport. Ten mgs of Ambian after our midnight Miami takeoff, and no one sitting next to me on AA 995, saw me next awake at 9AM Sampa time, which is 3 hours earlier. Carry-on only for the 7 day trip (2 for play and 5 for biz), I was quickly thru immigration/customs, converted US$200 to R$406, and soon spied Fernando, "Sampa Guide" to the SP escort and sex club scene (sampaguideatgmail. Com) as he was holding a sign with my name, as planned. I had hired F via email after reading some of his posts on the very useful on the International Sex Guide forum for Sao Paulo http://www.Internationalsexguide.Info/forum/showthread.php?t=572 and reasoning that with only two nights to play, a guide would help me get maximum bang (s? ) for the buck; especially as I speak zero Portuguese.

The cab ride to the Hilton-Morumbi is 3/4 hour and about R$90, and since many of the sex clubs are closed on Sunday, my arrival day, I arranged for F to set up a 4 hour date with Bruna Spynelli, http://www.Chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/loiras/brunaspynelli.htm, a pretty blonde with several favorable reviews on the site. F’s regular rate as club guide for the evening is R$150, which we’d do Monday night. But for R$200, he’d pick me up at the airport, show me around a little (we had lunch at an upscale mall, Morumbi Shopping), set up the date with Bruna, pick her up and bring her home to save taxi fares, and arrange a Monday 4-6PM afternoon session with Carolina (http: //www. Chantily. Com. Br/saopaulo/garotas/loiras/carolinaburman. Htm, and confirm her R$300 rate and service level). F negotiated Bruna’s rate from R$500 to R$400, which I could never have done, so for all this F’s R$200 fee was offset by what he saved me on taxis and Bruna, and my life was made much simpler. F’s an early 20’s college student, speaks excellent English, and I can heartily recommend his services to all. F advised never pay until the time was done, but in each case the ladies never asked for money and only at the very end as they were leaving did I bring out the cash.

F and Bruna arrived at 6PM at the Hilton, which is "escort friendly" and a very elegant hotel with an associated underground shopping center (here on Monday I converted US$ at the better rate of R$2. 15 to $1. 00, but it was closed Sunday); the center also serves two adjoining office buildings, much like the underground malls in Toronto and Montreal. We all met downstairs; no one wanted a drink, so B and I went up to my room on the Executive floor that needed its own card to access from the elevator. I knew from the start B spoke zero English, but she’s a very pretty blonde and her service level was said to be beyond GFE full PSE as I found out.

A digression is in order. When playing in strange lands and hotels, I hate to rely on local radio for in-room background entertainment. I travel with a Toughbook that has a built-in CD-DVD player. And, I’ve found a great set of small speakers that get their audio and power via a single wire from notebook’s USB port; from Logitech, they have their own case and cost about US$80. These put out great sound, and the Sade in Concert DVD is always enjoyable while providing 2 hours of background music for fun.

Sade was playing as we came into the room. "Yes", she’d have a glass of red wine. I like use "crew wear" from boat as a little opening gift, and B clearly liked. Inspecting Sade on the notebook’s screen led to exchanging small talk using Beblefish but there must be some idioms in Brazil that don’t always translate clearly perhaps Bablefish uses European Portuguese. Anyway, it was time to play and as we traded Bable-talk, it was easy to kiss. I knew DFK was a YMMV, so I didn’t press. Our hands wandered and we moved to the bed.

I’m a big believer in a "ladies first" policy as being helpful to having a GFE session. Tonight was no different. After we both were naked on the bed, from light kissing, my lips wandered down to her full B breasts I tongued her nipples and as I blew lightly, they hardened further from the cool breeze. She shivered. Moving further south, she was shaved except for a landing strip. My tongue teased and she opened her legs further beckoning me to taste more. I did for quite a long time until her flood of wetness told me she’d had an O. (B’s not a screamer she admits to being shy and blushes easily I found.) As I came back up to face her, her mouth was open and her tongue awaited mine she does DFK! Now it was her turn to taste me, and she did "sem perservativo" the BBBJ was great, but I made her stop as I didn’t want to finish quickly. After more cuddling, I covered up and took her first in mish tongues entwined, her legs wide, then over both my shoulders, then together and over one shoulder. The last readily became spoon with my hands fondling her breasts as we moved in unison. Her "oy"s intensified and I soon felt her moistness increase for her #2 "O’. We rolled into doggy with B flat on the bed her hips invitingly raised she hungrily took my thumb in her mouth, sucking aggressively as I thrusted from behind. I sat up, still straddling her legs, and eased my thumb into her a-hole. With my dick still in her pussy, I pumped both in simulated DP. Then pulling out my thumb and in my best porno style, I let a gob of spittle fall into the slightly puckered A-hole and grease the way for my dick that soon followed. Tight! She smiled in pleasure and I pushed in deeper. It wasn’t long before her tightness hardened me further and I knew my time was near. I pulled out, tore off the condom and rolled over. She knew what I wanted and smilingly took me deep in her mouth, stroking and sucking at once, wanting my nectar. My moans increased, but went unheeded as warnings and when my release came, I seemingly spewed for several minutes B wanted every drop all sucked from me and swallowed with nothing spilled. A PSE session worthy of the porn star she is!

B headed for the shower and soon I joined to be sure she was squeaky clean for round 2. I had wanted to go out for dinner, to be followed by fun back in the room for dessert but she Bablefished she had a commitment later, so we ordered room service. Done with time left for a second round, that didn't seem to be on the program. But that was OK I didn’t know if I could have delivered after all my travel and our first round was as good one could ever want! On the Saint Bart Scale, Bruna was 100% GFE with 2 Plusses an amazing time for the R$400, which at R$2. 15/$1. 00 coverts to US$186!

Saint Bart
11-21-05, 18:19
Day 2: Playtime started disappointedly, as Carolina was a no show F had reconfirmed her at 2PM, but then she called F at 4PM, our appointed time, to say her mother had just arrived. (F said she’d love to see me tomorrow, so I guess the excuse was real.) But, too bad for me. She had confirmed to F the same service level of Bruna, and I had booked C to eliminate the need to score a takeout from a club later that night I don’t like the one hour in a brothel room concept. So the pressure was on to find a replacement for the night.

F picked me up at 9: 30 and we were off on a 10 minute drive to a good mid-level club, Akaza; but unless there was something spectacular, next stop would be the nearby legendary Bahamas. Akaza was R$80 for my entry, but drinks were free until the entry fee was offset; F was in free. On arrival, there was the woman owner, 1 girl and about 12 male bouncers and waiters. Girls slowly drifted in some cute, but none worth taking to the rooms (R$60-80 plus an unknown for the girl). Around 11PM, with maybe 8 girls now working, one did a full striptease (very nice full C breasts! ). Time for Bahamas. http: //www. Bahamasclub. Com. Br/bahamas. Html Arriving at 11: 30, there must have been 40-50 girls, almost all light skinned blondes (my preference), with most standing/walking around in bathing suits. Located in a large house, the pickup action is on the entry floor. The lower level looks to be for overflow on a busy night. Like the main floor, there’s couches, tables and chairs and a bar, plus a small plunge pool stocked with foot-long fish clearly not for swimming despite the entry steps.

F and I took a table in the middle of the ladies. His last time here F said he had negotiated complete service, BBBJ and Anal, on behalf of his client for US$200 back at his hotel, or US$300 if she stayed the night. The same garota approached F as soon as we sat she was dark skinned and too thick, not fat, for me, but had extraordinarily beautiful big smiling eyes. She was an easy 8, but just not what I prefer. None of the others approached unless asked, but from 10’ away, they smiled and turned to display their assets. Lots of 8s and 9s, plus one 10, named Monica as we soon found out. An Angelina Jolie type with full lips, black hair, porcelain white skin, and a beautiful body with a great ass fully revealed by her thong. She sat for a drink her English was fair, in fact the best we found that night. She wanted R$1, 000 for 3-4 hours at the Hilton but no BBBJ or anal! : -(We dismissed her, but I kept inquiring over the next hour even if I took her to Miami and married her, there would still be no BBBJ or anal. Next! For over an hour we had ladies sit for their "interview". I never could have done it without F, but we were both disappointed in the responses. The 10 or so ladies I liked all said no to BBBJ and anal (although Lisa said anal OK, but no BBBJ), and for this level of service they wanted R$1, 000 or more for 3-4 hours in my hotel room. Then a new girl appeared on the floor, Clara. F asked the tall slim blonde to sit. Yes, I kiss, and do BBBJ and anal. F negotiated her to R$600 for 3-4 hours in my hotel (again paying his way). Off we went, but first our bill; the R$465 included R$120 entry for each us and R$120 to take Clara out. The rest was drinks. Clara was touchy and smiley from the start and when settled in the rear seat of F’s car, the DFKs began.

Back at the Hilton, DFKs led to the suggestion of a shower; we stripped, soaped each other’s nooks and crannies, and were soon ready to play. Clara’s about 5’8", slim with modest implants, and firm without an ounce of fat! She’s a pretty blond with full lips and an easy smile. From south Brazil near Argentina, she’d been in Sampa about 8 years and I guess she’s late 20s. She loved her pink crew wear and I delighted in removing the set as soon as she had put it on. Naked on the bed, she was very kissy and cuddley and I soon began my "ladies first" routine. C responded with several "0"s and we traded places and roles. It was 2AM, and maybe I was still tired from the travel, but the session while GFE in every way, never achieved the super-hot PSE level of the night before. But I loved C’s touch and cuddling, so after Round 1 I asked her to stay the night. She would for another R$300, to which I agreed. We fell asleep entwined. I woke up around 6: 30 and soon had C aroused. After brushing our teeth (she caries her own brush and paste), Round 2 began. Same as the first time, not over the top but very nice in a GFE way, although this round ended with BBBJTC-spit to earn Clara her 100%GFE-Plus rating. After dressing to leave around 8AM, Clara asked if I’d like her number. Not knowing if I’d ever be in SP again, I said "Yes" and saved it. This night proved much more expensive; but Clara’s R$900 converts to US$419; the R$465 at Bahamas was $216; and F’s R$150 was well worth the US$70. Bahama’s should be experienced, and F’s help is indispensable for those new to the Sampa scene!

Sampa Guide
11-21-05, 20:28
Is Bahamas open? Would appreciate some feedback.

ThanksYes, it is open. I've been there several times and brough my clients there.

If you don't care about spending a little more go for it, probably the best place in São Paulo.

It's R$121 to get in. Around 200 girls in the best days (tue,wed,thu), most of them are on bikinis and have perfect bodies.

The exit fee you pay to take the girl to your hotel is R$121 too.

The prices may vary a lot. From R$300/hour to R$500/hour

Rooms are R$98/hour.

For my client's it was really helpful to have me around, they wanted a whole night and I negociated with the girls for a great reduction of the price.

More information about my services on: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=383988&postcount=2100

Tricksta
11-22-05, 12:09
I was at Bahamas on Friday, Nov 18. I can assure that this place is open, alive and kicking. Absolutely stunning girls there, with prices to match. Cafe Millenium is also open, and was very good. Bomboa was closed the week of Nov 14 when I was in Sampa.

Genghis Khan
11-22-05, 14:30
I landed at Guarulhos airport 21:50 on a Friday. My plan was to check in at my hotel - go to Cafe Photo - grab a garota and head to a restaurant for dinner before retiring to my hotel with her for the night. Unfortunately clearing passport check and customs took such a long time that when my driver had picked me up and I had exchanged some money, the time was 23:50. So dinner was off the plan for tonight. The driver had been arranged for me by Vatel69 from this board and after the driver had waited for me at my hotel while I checked in, he took me to Vatel69s apartment (close to my hotel) so we could finally meet.

Vatel69 had been in a car accident, so he wasn't able to join me to Cafe Photo. He came out to the car to say hello and sent me off to Cafe Photo by agreeing to meet me the next day.

When I arrived at Cafe Photo it was very slow. The second floor was closed and not many girls that I liked were present. I had to either leave empty handed or lower my usual standard. Since this was my first night and my level of anticipation so high (absence from this magnificent city and its multitude of beautiful and willing girls makes me feel like a drug addict without drugs), I couldn't convince myself to leave without a girl.

There was actually only one girl present that I could accept and she was not a girl I would have taken normally. She was of course occupied. She was blonde, had dark brown eyes, a nice body with big natural tits and a very nice curvy rear end. The body was very good, but her face was not according to my taste. Still I would settle for her tonight if she became available.

While killing time waiting for her to either leave with a customer or become available there was not much to do other than practice "the game". So I started chatting with some of the girls by the bar. It’s always entertaining to see how the girls in Sao Paulo handle the fact that I don't speak Portuguese. Cafe Photo has changed over the years. Initially the girls there weren’t as professional as they are now. Virtually everyone in there spoke English now. Cafe Photo has, like Kilt been, filled with Americans. So the fun of the hunt is lost among the girls in Cafe Photo. They are too professional now. I never get the feel of a real date in there - and that is what I need and why I love so much to go to WE.

After a while the girl I was waiting for came up to the bar to order a drink. So I took the opportunity and asked if she would like to join me to a table - in English. She answered that she would be with me in a minute - in English, and went back to the table where she sat down with her current customer. Five minutes later she came over to me at the bar again and presented herself by a kiss on each cheek as Isabella. We headed for a table by the bar and she wanted a drink. The waiter came over to take our order of a Caipirinha for me and a whisky and red bull for her.

The entrance at Cafe Photo is now R$190 whereas it used to be R$160 and you still get only four drink tickets. What seemed like a rip off to me was that Isabella’s Whisky red bull was to drink tickets - one for the whisky and one for the red bull. I wasn't in the mood to argue about this now, but might have done so on another occasion. Now I was just longing for a girl to get me off and a long night’s sleep with her body next to mine.

I actually don't remember much of our conversation at the table. What I remember was that she said she was a tourist in Sao Paulo and would leave the next week, but it was obvious that several of the customers in there knew her. So I didn't believe her tourist story. We agreed on R$400,- for the night after she had initially tried to get R$700,- for two hours. I told her that this was not a good night. She was the only one that appealed to me and that I wasn't even sure if she was the right girl for me. I was willing to take her with me if she would do R$400,- for the night. I also told her that even though I didn't speak Portuguese, I had been both to Sao Paulo and Cafe Photo several times and knew about the different price levels for locals and gringos. I wasn't going to leave with her for a gringo price. She didn't blink, didn't argue,
she just agreed.

After a long flight and a time difference which meant that I would normally have been sound asleep four hours ago, the two caipirinhas I had drunk started to have its effect on me. So unfortunately I didn't take the negotiations to the next level by agreeing what kind of sex we would have. I just wanted to go to the hotel, get off and go to sleep.

Back at the hotel she was pretty good in bed, but only CBJ and BBBJ is pretty much a requirement for me to pop. So after one round of sex for about half an hour without being able to pop, I simply fell asleep.

When I woke up the next morning around 10:00, I vaguely remember Isabella waking me up earlier and telling me she had to go. She had left her phone number on the bedside table and wanted me to call her. She would stay longer in Sao Paulo if I wanted to meet her.

GK

Saint Bart
11-22-05, 15:06
I posted this on my home board in Miami, and I hope it's useful to the mongers here. Thanks to all, your posts enabled me to have a great time!!

Day 1: It was an 8 hour overnight flight from Miami to Sao Paulo’s International airport. Ten mgs of Ambian after our midnight Miami takeoff, and no one sitting next to me on AA 995, saw me next awake at 9AM Sampa time, which is 3 hours earlier. Carry-on only for the 7 day trip (2 for play and 5 for biz), I was quickly thru immigration/customs, converted US$200 to R$406, and soon spied Fernando, “Sampa Guide” to the SP escort and sex club scene as he was holding a sign with my name, as planned. I had hired F via email after reading some of his posts on the very useful on the International Sex Guide forum for Sao Paulo http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=572 and reasoning that with only two nights to play, a guide would help me get maximum bang (s?) for the buck; especially as I speak zero Portuguese.

The cab ride to the Hilton-Morumbi is 3/4 hour and about R$90, and since many of the sex clubs are closed on Sunday, my arrival day, I arranged for F to set up a 4 hour date with Bruna Spynelli, http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/loiras/brunaspynelli.htm , a pretty blonde with several favorable reviews on the site. F’s regular rate as club guide for the evening is R$150, which we’d do Monday night. But for R$200, he’d pick me up at the airport, show me around a little (we had lunch at an upscale mall, Morumbi Shopping), set up the date with Bruna, pick her up and bring her home to save taxi fares, and arrange a Monday 4-6PM afternoon session with Carolina ( http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/loiras/carolinaburman.htm , and confirm her R$300 rate and service level). F negotiated Bruna’s rate from R$500 to R$400, which I could never have done, so for all this F’s R$200 fee was offset by what he saved me on taxis and Bruna, and my life was made much simpler. F’s an early 20’s college student, speaks excellent English, and I can heartily recommend his services to all. F advised never pay until the time was done, but in each case the ladies never asked for money and only at the very end as they were leaving did I bring out the cash.

F and Bruna arrived at 6PM at the Hilton, which is “escort friendly” and a very elegant hotel with an associated underground shopping center (here on Monday I converted US$ at the better rate of R$2.15 to $1.00, but it was closed Sunday); the center also serves two adjoining office buildings, much like the underground malls in Toronto and Montreal. We all met downstairs; no one wanted a drink, so B and I went up to my room on the Executive floor that needed its own card to access from the elevator. I knew from the start B spoke zero English, but she’s a very pretty blonde and her service level was said to be beyond GFE… full PSE as I found out.

A digression is in order. When playing in strange lands and hotels, I hate to rely on local radio for in-room background entertainment. I travel with a Toughbook that has a built-in CD-DVD player. And, I’ve found a great set of small speakers that get their audio and power via a single wire from notebook’s USB port; from Logitech, they have their own case and cost about US$80. These put out great sound, and the Sade in Concert DVD is always enjoyable while providing 2 hours of background music for fun.

Sade was playing as we came into the room. “Yes”, she’d have a glass of red wine. I like use “crew wear” from boat as a little opening gift, and B clearly liked. Inspecting Sade on the notebook’s screen led to exchanging small talk using Beblefish … but there must be some idioms in Brazil that don’t always translate clearly … perhaps Bablefish uses European Portuguese. Anyway, it was time to play and as we traded Bable-talk, it was easy to kiss. I knew DFK was a YMMV, so I didn’t press. Our hands wandered and we moved to the bed.

I’m a big believer in a "ladies first" policy as being helpful to having a GFE session. Tonight was no different. After we both were naked on the bed, from light kissing, my lips wandered down to her full B breasts I tongued her nipples and as I blew lightly, they hardened further from the cool breeze. She shivered. Moving further south, she was shaved except for a landing strip. My tongue teased and she opened her legs further beckoning me to taste more. I did for quite a long time until her flood of wetness told me she’d had an O. (B’s not a screamer she admits to being shy and blushes easily I found.) As I came back up to face her, her mouth was open and her tongue awaited mine she does DFK! Now it was her turn to taste me, and she did "sem perservativo" the BBBJ was great, but I made her stop as I didn’t want to finish quickly. After more cuddling, I covered up and took her first in mish tongues entwined, her legs wide, then over both my shoulders, then together and over one shoulder. The last readily became spoon with my hands fondling her breasts as we moved in unison. Her "oy"s intensified and I soon felt her moistness increase for her #2 "O’. We rolled into doggy with B flat on the bed her hips invitingly raised she hungrily took my thumb in her mouth, sucking aggressively as I thrusted from behind. I sat up, still straddling her legs, and eased my thumb into her a-hole. With my dick still in her pussy, I pumped both in simulated DP. Then pulling out my thumb and in my best porno style, I let a gob of spittle fall into the slightly puckered A-hole and grease the way for my dick that soon followed. Tight! She smiled in pleasure and I pushed in deeper. It wasn’t long before her tightness hardened me further and I knew my time was near. I pulled out, tore off the condom and rolled over. She knew what I wanted and smilingly took me deep in her mouth, stroking and sucking at once, wanting my nectar. My moans increased, but went unheeded as warnings and when my release came, I seemingly spewed for several minutes B wanted every drop all sucked from me and swallowed with nothing spilled. A PSE session worthy of the porn star she is!

B headed for the shower and soon I joined to be sure she was squeaky clean for round 2. I had wanted to go out for dinner, to be followed by fun back in the room for dessert but she Bablefished she had a commitment later, so we ordered room service. Done with time left for a second round, that didn't seem to be on the program. But that was OK I didn’t know if I could have delivered after all my travel and our first round was as good one could ever want! On the Saint Bart Scale, Bruna was 100% GFE with 2 Plusses an amazing time for the R$400, which at R$2. 15/$1. 00 coverts to US$186!

Day 2: Playtime started disappointedly, as Carolina was a no show F had reconfirmed her at 2PM, but then she called F at 4PM, our appointed time, to say her mother had just arrived. (F said she’d love to see me tomorrow, so I guess the excuse was real.) But, too bad for me. She had confirmed to F the same service level of Bruna, and I had booked C to eliminate the need to score a takeout from a club later that night I don’t like the one hour in a brothel room concept. So the pressure was on to find a replacement for the night.

F picked me up at 9: 30 and we were off on a 10 minute drive to a good mid-level club, Akaza; but unless there was something spectacular, next stop would be the nearby legendary Bahamas. Akaza was R$80 for my entry, but drinks were free until the entry fee was offset; F was in free. On arrival, there was the woman owner, 1 girl and about 12 male bouncers and waiters. Girls slowly drifted in some cute, but none worth taking to the rooms (R$60-80 plus an unknown for the girl). Around 11PM, with maybe 8 girls now working, one did a full striptease (very nice full C breasts! ). Time for Bahamas. http: //www. Bahamasclub. Com. Br/bahamas. Html Arriving at 11: 30, there must have been 40-50 girls, almost all light skinned blondes (my preference), with most standing/walking around in bathing suits. Located in a large house, the pickup action is on the entry floor. The lower level looks to be for overflow on a busy night. Like the main floor, there’s couches, tables and chairs and a bar, plus a small plunge pool stocked with foot-long fish clearly not for swimming despite the entry steps.

F and I took a table in the middle of the ladies. His last time here F said he had negotiated complete service, BBBJ and Anal, on behalf of his client for US$200 back at his hotel, or US$300 if she stayed the night. The same garota approached F as soon as we sat she was dark skinned and too thick, not fat, for me, but had extraordinarily beautiful big smiling eyes. She was an easy 8, but just not what I prefer. None of the others approached unless asked, but from 10’ away, they smiled and turned to display their assets. Lots of 8s and 9s, plus one 10, named Monica as we soon found out. An Angelina Jolie type with full lips, black hair, porcelain white skin, and a beautiful body with a great ass fully revealed by her thong. She sat for a drink her English was fair, in fact the best we found that night. She wanted R$1, 000 for 3-4 hours at the Hilton but no BBBJ or anal! : -(We dismissed her, but I kept inquiring over the next hour even if I took her to Miami and married her, there would still be no BBBJ or anal. Next! For over an hour we had ladies sit for their "interview". I never could have done it without F, but we were both disappointed in the responses. The 10 or so ladies I liked all said no to BBBJ and anal (although Lisa said anal OK, but no BBBJ), and for this level of service they wanted R$1, 000 or more for 3-4 hours in my hotel room. Then a new girl appeared on the floor, Clara. F asked the tall slim blonde to sit. Yes, I kiss, and do BBBJ and anal. F negotiated her to R$600 for 3-4 hours in my hotel (again paying his way). Off we went, but first our bill; the R$465 included R$120 entry for each us and R$120 to take Clara out. The rest was drinks. Clara was touchy and smiley from the start and when settled in the rear seat of F’s car, the DFKs began.

Back at the Hilton, DFKs led to the suggestion of a shower; we stripped, soaped each other’s nooks and crannies, and were soon ready to play. Clara’s about 5’8", slim with modest implants, and firm without an ounce of fat! She’s a pretty blond with full lips and an easy smile. From south Brazil near Argentina, she’d been in Sampa about 8 years and I guess she’s late 20s. She loved her pink crew wear and I delighted in removing the set as soon as she had put it on. Naked on the bed, she was very kissy and cuddley and I soon began my "ladies first" routine. C responded with several "0"s and we traded places and roles. It was 2AM, and maybe I was still tired from the travel, but the session while GFE in every way, never achieved the super-hot PSE level of the night before. But I loved C’s touch and cuddling, so after Round 1 I asked her to stay the night. She would for another R$300, to which I agreed. We fell asleep entwined. I woke up around 6: 30 and soon had C aroused. After brushing our teeth (she caries her own brush and paste), Round 2 began. Same as the first time, not over the top but very nice in a GFE way, although this round ended with BBBJTC-spit to earn Clara her 100%GFE-Plus rating. After dressing to leave around 8AM, Clara asked if I’d like her number. Not knowing if I’d ever be in SP again, I said "Yes" and saved it. This night proved much more expensive; Clara’s R$900 converts to US$419; the R$465 at Bahamas was $216; and F’s R$150 was well worth the US$70. Bahama’s should be experienced, and F’s help is indispensable for those new to the Sampa scene!

Sperto
11-22-05, 15:22
The entrance at Cafe Photo is now R$190.... We agreed on R$400,- for the night after she had initially tried to get R$700,- for two hours.
GK
A nice report.
GK, I heard and read a lot about Cafe Photo. I guess the girls must be quite beautiful as the prices are extremely high. It would be interesting to see a photo of a girl who asks for R$ 700/2 hs. Maybe you can post a picture of a Cafe Photo girl?

Full Throttle
11-22-05, 16:12
. It would be interesting to see a photo of a girl who asks for R$ 700/2 hs.

They look like any other girl, except, if you look closely, you can see faint lines caused by uncontrollable giggles every time they get paid.

Of all the places in the world, I would have to say that Sao Paulo must dispel the notion that you "get what you pay for" the most. There seems to be no correlation whatsoever between looks, attitude and service and price. I’ve had fantastic and so-so experiences in every venue.

I’ve had 7 top-tier experiences at Clinica Kin for 110R. That’s on their property for an hour and includes a drink before and after the session (also a so-so session or 2)

I’ve had a fantastic TLN with an Augusta street girl for 150R. According to her, she also works in Café Photo. I don’t care if she’s lying or not, as it wasn’t part of the sales pitch. It just came up during breakfast.

The Kilt/Cocktail girls are actually a good bargain. The price is usually 150-200R for 2-8 hours, or 220-300R including my drinks and the bar fine.

In the “Deep Augusta” clubs (i.e. Balneiro, Relax), I’ve had two of the best sessions in Sao Paulo, both for less than 100R.

And, I’ve enjoyed the classy atmosphere at Bomboa and Bahamas, though I‘ve only been with Bomboa girls, and spent double my ordinary budget for similarly-reliable service there.

Love Story girls seem to go for 150-200R, although their quality and your mileage may vary!

I’ve never gotten an internet girl.

I’ve had a total of 2 CBJ’s in Sao Paulo.

So, I don’t know why I wrote this. It must be difficult to be a newbie and try to develop a budget for Sao Paulo. I’ve hung out with some guys that operate at the top end of the spectrum in Sao Paulo, but I still haven’t gotten a good read on why. It would be an interesting thing to come to understand.

FT

Genghis Khan
11-22-05, 16:33
A nice report.
GK, I heard and read a lot about Cafe Photo. I guess the girls must be quite beautiful as the prices are extremely high. It would be interesting to see a photo of a girl who asks for R$ 700/2 hs. Maybe you can post a picture of a Cafe Photo girl?

Sorry no pics - I never post pics. I agree with the poster below. The prices at Photo doesn't reflect the girls actual value. The place, like Kilt, has become a tourist trap for Americans and Asians who don't know the real price level in Sao Paulo.

GK

Tricksta
11-22-05, 17:05
I was in Sao Paulo during the week of November 14, 2005. I had arranged in advance for Sampa Guide to (a) take me on a tour of nightclubs for one night, and (b) arrange for me to meet with some Internet girls. For anyone who might like having a Sampa native on your side, I recommend Sampa Guide. On (a), Sampa Guide offered solid value as he will drive you around for 4-5 hours visiting as many clubs as you would like. His fixed price for transport beats the sum of prices for taxis were you to do it yourself. In addition, if you cannot speak any Portuguese, he can help you out by negotiating with the garota on your behalf. He was able to get into the clubs we went to for free because he brings foreign clients there. So, if you want, he can be by your side for translation at no incremental cost to you. On (b), Sampa Guide did an admirable job making phone calls and setting up advance rendezvous for some of those internet girls. Just a side note, setting up dates with these Internet girls is an inherently unreliable business because the Brazilian concept of being on time, answering phones, etc. Is quite different from the US standard of punctuality and reliability.

Sui Generis
11-22-05, 19:24
Is Bahamas open? Would appreciate some feedback.

Thanks


Dear John Corey,

As reported by the others posters on this forum, Bahamas is really open.

Maybe you've heard somewhere that Bahamas was closed. In a certain sense this is also true. But in this case it is the following venue:

Bahamas Club (ex-Centro do lazer)
Rua Paulino Fernandes, 32, Botafogo. Rio de Janeiro

This last one is effectively closed.

Peter
11-22-05, 21:29
I am planning finally heading to Brasil. Some friends in Germany have told me that Cafe Photo is the ultimate club in Sao Paulo, but there is absolutely no info on the place here. I found a very brief description on another site, but not really a lot of info.

who has ever been there, and what can you tell me about the place?

Aeroplayer
11-22-05, 21:49
Poor Mike T,

How come nobody tries to photograph me?

Anyway, I stay at Crowne Plaza, and have brought girls back no problem. They don't like multiples - guess they have had some problems in the past with guys getting ripped off.


Have any Forum Members been around when Mike Tyson went into action
thursday night at Bahamas?

Would be interesting to hear first-hand from fellow mongers how he handled things in there.

As it's said he was denied to bring up 6(!) GDPs to his hotel room (Crowne Plaza) the night before, seems not a guest-friendly place:-)

Frank

Saint Bart
11-22-05, 22:04
Sorry for the double post. I submitted my trip report yesterday AM in two parts as I didn't know if there was a character limit. When it hadn't shown up by this morning, I posted it again thinking I had done something wrong the first time. Now that both have appeared, maybe Mod will delete the first.

The good news is that I added pix the second time. Someone wanted pix of a girl from a high-end club... see Clara's pix, she's from Bahamas.

Tricksta
11-22-05, 22:06
5 years ago Cafe Photo was the hot club. Now, having just left Sao Paulo, I can assure you that Bahamas has taken over that spot. Bahamas is The place to go now, in my humble opinion. Bahamas, along with Cafe Photo and WE, do represent the high end of SP, so get ready to spend some R$ -- vis a vis the lower end clubs like Kilt (where you can find one or two attractive women some nights). The entrada for Bahamas is R$121 vs R$190 (I think) for Cafe Photo. When you walk into Bahamas for the first time, you will be blown away by all the garotas who are walking around in dental-floss-like bikini. Mike Tyson was recently in town raising hell, and the club he chose to go to to harass women was Bahamas (not Photo). If I were you, I would also visit Cafe Millenium. It is cheaper than Bahamas (R$80 entrada) and also has a large selection of very hot meninas.

Full Throttle
11-22-05, 23:06
I am planning finally heading to Brasil. Some friends in Germany have told me that Cafe Photo is the ultimate club in Sao Paulo, but there is absolutely no info on the place here. I found a very brief description on another site, but not really a lot of info.

who has ever been there, and what can you tell me about the place?

There is a lot of information about Cafe Photo, but, not surprisingly, most users of this forum do not go there, regularly. Just like in Germany where there are ridiculously-priced strip joints just blocks away from an FKK club, Cafe Photo is a place where businessmen bring other businessmen to help close a deal or just to show off. It's flashy, but, in substance, fairly average.

Other than finding it and knowing how much you will pay (topics covered in the last 36 hours), there is not much to know. It is a nightclub scene with above average girls wearing classy-sexy outfits. You talk with them, flirt, negotiate, and leave.

It is a spectacle and if I were spending the euro on my first visit to Brazil, I would go to Cafe' Photo -- once. Then, I'd explore some of the really cool venues detailed on this board.

I sure miss Moondog.

FT

El Greco
11-23-05, 01:50
I have been there many times and my advice is only go there if WE is closed. That would be friday or saturday. WE is the ultimate club in Sao Paulo. Do a search and you will find tons of info on Cafe Photo here. www.cafephoto.com.br

GK

What the hell WE stands for.

Are you so lazy to write its full name for a newbie?

El Greco

Peter
11-23-05, 02:00
I might be a senior member with over 600 posts, but i just now discovered there is a search within this thread function. when i did a general search nothing useable came out (but that was 2 days ago too). now i did a search in this thread and i feel like an idiot. although I do feel a bit like a newbie not knowing what WE is.

By the way the manager of my favourite FKK raved on about Cafe Photo, and he and i share a very similar taste in women.

Comgo
11-23-05, 02:04
I have been there many times and my advice is only go there if WE is closed. That would be friday or saturday. WE is the ultimate club in Sao Paulo. Do a search and you will find tons of info on Cafe Photo here. www.cafephoto.com.br

GK

You're talking about the same WE where it's 600R for in-house and 800R for take-out, right? Why is this the ultimate club to you? The ultimate club for me would be the one with best bang for the buck. Are the girls at WE that much better that they're worth those prices? Do they coat your dick in gold or something? No offense, and perhaps you've had really good experiences there, but why would you want to spend that much in Brazil? You could probably find similar girls at much less expensive venues, no? I must say I have not been to WE so perhaps I'm wrong, but I have been to many other places in SP and I just can't imagine that the girls are that much better at WE.

Comgo
11-23-05, 02:08
What the hell WE stands for.

Are you so lazy to write its full name for a newbie?

El Greco

WE is a newer high end place in Bela Vista where the entry alone is 150R or so. For the people that want the address and more information just take a look at the Sao Paulo Directory thread and it's listed right under Cafe Photo on page 2 right now.

Vatel69
11-23-05, 03:35
WE are the initials of the names of 2 of the owners.

DJ FourMoney
11-23-05, 08:22
I posted this on my home board in Miami, and I hope it's useful to the mongers here. Thanks to all, your posts enabled me to have a great time!!

Day 1: It was an 8 hour overnight flight from Miami to Sao Paulo’s International airport. Ten mgs of Ambian after our midnight Miami takeoff, and no one sitting next to me on AA 995, saw me next awake at 9AM Sampa time, which is 3 hours earlier. Carry-on only for the 7 day trip (2 for play and 5 for biz), I was quickly thru immigration/customs, converted US$200 to R$406, and soon spied Fernando, “Sampa Guide” to the SP escort and sex club scene as he was holding a sign with my name, as planned. I had hired F via email after reading some of his posts on the very useful on the International Sex Guide forum for Sao Paulo http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=572 and reasoning that with only two nights to play, a guide would help me get maximum bang (s?) for the buck; especially as I speak zero Portuguese.

The cab ride to the Hilton-Morumbi is 3/4 hour and about R$90, and since many of the sex clubs are closed on Sunday, my arrival day, I arranged for F to set up a 4 hour date with Bruna Spynelli, http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/loiras/brunaspynelli.htm , a pretty blonde with several favorable reviews on the site. F’s regular rate as club guide for the evening is R$150, which we’d do Monday night. But for R$200, he’d pick me up at the airport, show me around a little (we had lunch at an upscale mall, Morumbi Shopping), set up the date with Bruna, pick her up and bring her home to save taxi fares, and arrange a Monday 4-6PM afternoon session with Carolina ( http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/loiras/carolinaburman.htm , and confirm her R$300 rate and service level). F negotiated Bruna’s rate from R$500 to R$400, which I could never have done, so for all this F’s R$200 fee was offset by what he saved me on taxis and Bruna, and my life was made much simpler. F’s an early 20’s college student, speaks excellent English, and I can heartily recommend his services to all. F advised never pay until the time was done, but in each case the ladies never asked for money and only at the very end as they were leaving did I bring out the cash.

F and Bruna arrived at 6PM at the Hilton, which is “escort friendly” and a very elegant hotel with an associated underground shopping center (here on Monday I converted US$ at the better rate of R$2.15 to $1.00, but it was closed Sunday); the center also serves two adjoining office buildings, much like the underground malls in Toronto and Montreal. We all met downstairs; no one wanted a drink, so B and I went up to my room on the Executive floor that needed its own card to access from the elevator. I knew from the start B spoke zero English, but she’s a very pretty blonde and her service level was said to be beyond GFE… full PSE as I found out.

A digression is in order. When playing in strange lands and hotels, I hate to rely on local radio for in-room background entertainment. I travel with a Toughbook that has a built-in CD-DVD player. And, I’ve found a great set of small speakers that get their audio and power via a single wire from notebook’s USB port; from Logitech, they have their own case and cost about US$80. These put out great sound, and the Sade in Concert DVD is always enjoyable while providing 2 hours of background music for fun.

Sade was playing as we came into the room. “Yes”, she’d have a glass of red wine. I like use “crew wear” from boat as a little opening gift, and B clearly liked. Inspecting Sade on the notebook’s screen led to exchanging small talk using Beblefish … but there must be some idioms in Brazil that don’t always translate clearly … perhaps Bablefish uses European Portuguese. Anyway, it was time to play and as we traded Bable-talk, it was easy to kiss. I knew DFK was a YMMV, so I didn’t press. Our hands wandered and we moved to the bed.

I’m a big believer in a "ladies first" policy as being helpful to having a GFE session. Tonight was no different. After we both were naked on the bed, from light kissing, my lips wandered down to her full B breasts I tongued her nipples and as I blew lightly, they hardened further from the cool breeze. She shivered. Moving further south, she was shaved except for a landing strip. My tongue teased and she opened her legs further beckoning me to taste more. I did for quite a long time until her flood of wetness told me she’d had an O. (B’s not a screamer she admits to being shy and blushes easily I found.) As I came back up to face her, her mouth was open and her tongue awaited mine she does DFK! Now it was her turn to taste me, and she did "sem perservativo" the BBBJ was great, but I made her stop as I didn’t want to finish quickly. After more cuddling, I covered up and took her first in mish tongues entwined, her legs wide, then over both my shoulders, then together and over one shoulder. The last readily became spoon with my hands fondling her breasts as we moved in unison. Her "oy"s intensified and I soon felt her moistness increase for her #2 "O’. We rolled into doggy with B flat on the bed her hips invitingly raised she hungrily took my thumb in her mouth, sucking aggressively as I thrusted from behind. I sat up, still straddling her legs, and eased my thumb into her a-hole. With my dick still in her pussy, I pumped both in simulated DP. Then pulling out my thumb and in my best porno style, I let a gob of spittle fall into the slightly puckered A-hole and grease the way for my dick that soon followed. Tight! She smiled in pleasure and I pushed in deeper. It wasn’t long before her tightness hardened me further and I knew my time was near. I pulled out, tore off the condom and rolled over. She knew what I wanted and smilingly took me deep in her mouth, stroking and sucking at once, wanting my nectar. My moans increased, but went unheeded as warnings and when my release came, I seemingly spewed for several minutes B wanted every drop all sucked from me and swallowed with nothing spilled. A PSE session worthy of the porn star she is!

B headed for the shower and soon I joined to be sure she was squeaky clean for round 2. I had wanted to go out for dinner, to be followed by fun back in the room for dessert but she Bablefished she had a commitment later, so we ordered room service. Done with time left for a second round, that didn't seem to be on the program. But that was OK I didn’t know if I could have delivered after all my travel and our first round was as good one could ever want! On the Saint Bart Scale, Bruna was 100% GFE with 2 Plusses an amazing time for the R$400, which at R$2. 15/$1. 00 coverts to US$186!

Day 2: Playtime started disappointedly, as Carolina was a no show F had reconfirmed her at 2PM, but then she called F at 4PM, our appointed time, to say her mother had just arrived. (F said she’d love to see me tomorrow, so I guess the excuse was real.) But, too bad for me. She had confirmed to F the same service level of Bruna, and I had booked C to eliminate the need to score a takeout from a club later that night I don’t like the one hour in a brothel room concept. So the pressure was on to find a replacement for the night.

F picked me up at 9: 30 and we were off on a 10 minute drive to a good mid-level club, Akaza; but unless there was something spectacular, next stop would be the nearby legendary Bahamas. Akaza was R$80 for my entry, but drinks were free until the entry fee was offset; F was in free. On arrival, there was the woman owner, 1 girl and about 12 male bouncers and waiters. Girls slowly drifted in some cute, but none worth taking to the rooms (R$60-80 plus an unknown for the girl). Around 11PM, with maybe 8 girls now working, one did a full striptease (very nice full C breasts! ). Time for Bahamas. http: //www. Bahamasclub. Com. Br/bahamas. Html Arriving at 11: 30, there must have been 40-50 girls, almost all light skinned blondes (my preference), with most standing/walking around in bathing suits. Located in a large house, the pickup action is on the entry floor. The lower level looks to be for overflow on a busy night. Like the main floor, there’s couches, tables and chairs and a bar, plus a small plunge pool stocked with foot-long fish clearly not for swimming despite the entry steps.

F and I took a table in the middle of the ladies. His last time here F said he had negotiated complete service, BBBJ and Anal, on behalf of his client for US$200 back at his hotel, or US$300 if she stayed the night. The same garota approached F as soon as we sat she was dark skinned and too thick, not fat, for me, but had extraordinarily beautiful big smiling eyes. She was an easy 8, but just not what I prefer. None of the others approached unless asked, but from 10’ away, they smiled and turned to display their assets. Lots of 8s and 9s, plus one 10, named Monica as we soon found out. An Angelina Jolie type with full lips, black hair, porcelain white skin, and a beautiful body with a great ass fully revealed by her thong. She sat for a drink her English was fair, in fact the best we found that night. She wanted R$1, 000 for 3-4 hours at the Hilton but no BBBJ or anal! : -(We dismissed her, but I kept inquiring over the next hour even if I took her to Miami and married her, there would still be no BBBJ or anal. Next! For over an hour we had ladies sit for their "interview". I never could have done it without F, but we were both disappointed in the responses. The 10 or so ladies I liked all said no to BBBJ and anal (although Lisa said anal OK, but no BBBJ), and for this level of service they wanted R$1, 000 or more for 3-4 hours in my hotel room. Then a new girl appeared on the floor, Clara. F asked the tall slim blonde to sit. Yes, I kiss, and do BBBJ and anal. F negotiated her to R$600 for 3-4 hours in my hotel (again paying his way). Off we went, but first our bill; the R$465 included R$120 entry for each us and R$120 to take Clara out. The rest was drinks. Clara was touchy and smiley from the start and when settled in the rear seat of F’s car, the DFKs began.

Back at the Hilton, DFKs led to the suggestion of a shower; we stripped, soaped each other’s nooks and crannies, and were soon ready to play. Clara’s about 5’8", slim with modest implants, and firm without an ounce of fat! She’s a pretty blond with full lips and an easy smile. From south Brazil near Argentina, she’d been in Sampa about 8 years and I guess she’s late 20s. She loved her pink crew wear and I delighted in removing the set as soon as she had put it on. Naked on the bed, she was very kissy and cuddley and I soon began my "ladies first" routine. C responded with several "0"s and we traded places and roles. It was 2AM, and maybe I was still tired from the travel, but the session while GFE in every way, never achieved the super-hot PSE level of the night before. But I loved C’s touch and cuddling, so after Round 1 I asked her to stay the night. She would for another R$300, to which I agreed. We fell asleep entwined. I woke up around 6: 30 and soon had C aroused. After brushing our teeth (she caries her own brush and paste), Round 2 began. Same as the first time, not over the top but very nice in a GFE way, although this round ended with BBBJTC-spit to earn Clara her 100%GFE-Plus rating. After dressing to leave around 8AM, Clara asked if I’d like her number. Not knowing if I’d ever be in SP again, I said "Yes" and saved it. This night proved much more expensive; Clara’s R$900 converts to US$419; the R$465 at Bahamas was $216; and F’s R$150 was well worth the US$70. Bahama’s should be experienced, and F’s help is indispensable for those new to the Sampa scene!

Excellent Report!

Everytime I read a good report and see a "dime" dropped by Sampa Guide I get more excited about my trip down.

Saint, you da man. I feel the same way as you do with about the gifts and "ladies first" approach you use to seek the ulimate in GFE/PSE.

You gotta return to SP, I bet you anything the GFE you got from either lady would be turned up a notch and that's always a good thing...

Thanks Again!

Harry58
11-23-05, 13:56
WE is the actual name of the place.
GKHi,

I would like to know at what time WE open and close!

Tks for help

Harry

Big Beans
11-23-05, 16:14
Sorry for the long delay in posting, have not had much time on this trip to goof off.

I had a one night layover in SP three about weeks ago and I figured that without much time and no experience in SP, SG would be a good way to go. I sent a last minute email from Chile to him to see if he could tour me around when I arrived that evening.

I arrived in SP and there was a message from him to call. We arranged a time for him to pick me up from my Hotel and off we went. I did not have much time so he first took me to Azika (SP??) a club close to Bahamas. I decided that I wanted the girl that was stripping (built like a brick shithouse) so he arranged to have her sit with us. She spoke almost no english so he asked her if kissing was OK. She said no, which for me is a deal killer. I checked out the other 20 or so girls but nothing to my liking so off to Bahamas.

Bahamas was had a great selection of girls, the old problem of which one do I want?? He got some infomation from a few but nothing seemed to be working. Looked at my watch and decided that I better get with it or no sex tonight. Found a young lady that was to my standards, but of course she didn't speak any english. SG did some negotiating for me and off we went. He returned us to my hotel wished us a pleasant night.

Was staying at the Ceasar Park, close to the Interational Airport. No problem bringing her in. Had a great night with her and sent her off in the morning on my way to the airport.

This is more a report on using SG if you new the SP scene. He was well worth his fee. Not only did he save me all the cab fares, but he also got her to drop her Gringo price in about two minutes. Do not hesitate to use him if you a new to SP or if your language skills are limited.

BB

Comgo
11-23-05, 16:24
WE,

I just stated my preference. It all depends on what you are looking for. My experiences at Cafe Photo have been a mix between almost good and bad whereas WE gives me a good time in about 90% of my visits.

Bang for the buck is not always whats important - what I want is something which is as close to a real date as possible. The attitude and the looks of the women are important too.

Of the clubs in Sao Paulo I have visited, WE is the only one providing all of these requirements at a level I can accept. In my opinion they also have the best looking women in town.

Cafe Photo used to be good in the past - not anymore.

Oh - and by the way - why the sarcastic tone - did I offend you in any way?

GK

No, you didn't and I said no offense to you as well. I just wanted to point out that it's a very expensive place for Brazil, and a lot of people shouldn't run over there just to be shocked at the prices. Paying over 1000R (entry, drinks, girl's fee) for an all nighter just seems excessive to me for Brazil.

Prosal
11-23-05, 16:35
I just wanted to point out that it's a very expensive place for Brazil. Paying over 1000R (entry, drinks, girl's fee) for an all nighter just seems excessive to me for Brazil.

This is not that much ; I heard from Carioca friends, who are big spenders, about 2500 reals bills in Baronetti or Nuth.

In SP, I rarely spend less than 800 reals during a night's out : taxis, entrances/drinks/ladies drinks in various clubs, whisky bottle in Love Story (300 reals, plus tequila shots for the meninas and tips for the waiters), girl's fee(s), ect.

1000 reals burn REALLY fast in Sao Paulo !!

Sperto
11-23-05, 17:29
I rarely spend less, and often more, during a night's out in SP : restaurant, taxis, entrances/drinks/ladies drinks in various clubs (pros or non-pros places), whisky bottle in Love Story (300 reals, plus tequila shots for the meninas and tips for the waiters), girl's fee(s), ect.
1000 reals burn REALLY fast in Sao Paulo !!
I can't help not understanding how some of you are willing to spend close to 1000 reais to get laid, in Brazil. Doesn't it bother you that you spend that much money partly because the fact that you're a gringo or because of choosing places that are a rip-offs for gringos? I don't say it's wrong, but personally I would feel like a fool doing this. I mean no harm with my question, I'm just curious.

Bubba Boy
11-23-05, 17:36
It is obvious that the guys spending the big $ know there are cheaper places to go, they are very experienced mongers, it would appear that they can afford the more upmarket places and hence go there. You can't take you dollars to the grave, hence spending it on expensive Sampa wenches is as good as anyway to spend it.

Comgo
11-23-05, 18:35
The poster asked for Cafe Photo because he thought it was the ultimate club in town. Cafe Photo is in the same price range and not as good. Thats why I recommended WE.

GK

You pay 800R for TLN at Cafe Photo?

Sui Generis
11-23-05, 18:38
WE are the initials of the names of 2 of the owners.


WE stands for: Washington and Edson, the two owners

W.E - Rua Peixoto Gomide,269

Prosal
11-23-05, 18:52
I can't help not understanding how some of you are willing to spend close to 1000 reais to get laid, in Brazil. .

Sperto

I was talking about partying, not about shagging. When I'm in SP, spending 600 reals on booze, ladies drinks, sushis and tips for VIP service in a club is for me very frequent.

To get laid, I personnaly very rarely pay more than 200 reals, yet I almost only pick up in Love Story, where sometimes a 700 reals Cafe Photo girl can even be shagged for free if you treat her good (tequila shots, ect) and if you're ready to party till 6am, which is my case.

Cheers

Sperto
11-23-05, 20:16
It is obvious that the guys spending the big $ know there are cheaper places to go, they are very experienced mongers, it would appear that they can afford the more upmarket places and hence go there. You can't take you dollars to the grave, hence spending it on expensive Sampa wenches is as good as anyway to spend it.
Thank you, Pro and Bubba Boy, for enlighten me about your reasons to spend big $. Everybody has their own way of enjoying themselves. As long as you're happy I'm happy.

Comgo
11-23-05, 22:11
Read my report from yesterday - she wanted R$700,- for two hours.
A very excited and ignorant newbie could easily have made that a
deal.

GK

Oh okay, I didn't think you would pay that much since you're in SP so much. WE is 800R for TLN and 600R for 2-2:30hr though, correct? Or can you get that number down?

Comgo
11-23-05, 22:12
Sperto

I was talking about partying, not about shagging. When I'm in SP, spending 600 reals on booze, ladies drinks, sushis and tips for VIP service is for me very frequent.

To get laid, I personnaly very rarely pay more than 200 reals, yet I almost only pick up in Love Story, where sometimes a 700 reals Cafe Photo girl can even be shagged for free if you treat her good (tequila shots, ect) and if you're ready to party till 6am, which is my case.

Cheers

The problem with free is how much did those tequila shots until 6am cost? :)

Aussie Greg
11-23-05, 23:54
Aussie Greg´s coming to SP agian, stand by !!!!

The Aussie.

El Greco
11-24-05, 00:10
WE is the actual name of the place.
GK

Sorry mate. Mea culpa

El Greco

Sui Generis
11-24-05, 00:19
I remember that when I was planning my first trip to Sampa how this board was helpful. Unfortunately, apart from raunchy sex reports, a lot of useful information (what the Brazilians call "dicas") is still missing.

If you are looking for musical instruments, musicals scores, CDs and portuguese books (new and used) there is a large section of the rua Teodoro Sampaio, in Pinheiros, where you can find these kinds of shops (musical stores and/or book stores).

Most of them are located on Teodoro Sampaio between Oscar Freire and João Moura (Oscar Freire; Capote Valente; Alves Guimarães, Crtistiano Viana; João Moura)

When the weather is fine, on Saturday afternoon, you can even catch musicians playing live music (jazz, MPB) on the sidewalks in front of the stores. Muito legal! Bacana! (Cool)

For those who read Portuguese there is a lot of used book stores in this area.

A little bit further, still in Pinheiros, there is a branch of the French store FNAC where you can buy new books and CDS.

FNAC - PINHEIROS
Praça dos Amaguás, 34, 05419-020, São Paulo, SP, telefone (11) 3815-6946, e-mail dve@fnac.com.br,

(Here's another location)

FNAC - PAULISTA
Av. Paulista, 901, 01311-100, São Paulo, SP, telefone (11) 2123-2000, e-mail dve@fnac.com.br, site www.fnac.com.br.

A book by Carlos Drumond de Andrade or Vinicius de Moraes on the bed table...is'nt it the best way to impress the GDP you will eventually bring to your hotel room?

Warning: Mário de Andrade's Macunaima may have the adverse effect!!!!!

James Howard
11-24-05, 01:08
Bang for the buck is not always whats important - what I want is something which is as close to a real date as possible.Then do exactly that. Get a real date and you might be happier in the long term not just the short term. It's easy enough in Rio, can't be too hard in SP.

I'm going to have to visit WE next time in SP for more than a day. From my experience, hard to imagine there is a place for better quality p4p than Cafe Photo. Does twice the price amount to twice the beleza?

Let's see with R$800 I can get either:

1) 1 girl from WE
2) 2 girls from Cafe Photo
3) Three 40 mins. at Centaurus RJ
4) Four 40 mins. at Luomo RJ
5) Five 40 mins. at 4X4 RJ
6) 4 TLN from RJ terma girls

Sperto
11-24-05, 06:42
Let's see with R$800 I can get either:
1) 1 girl from WE
2) 2 girls from Cafe Photo
3) Three 40 mins. at Centaurus RJ
4) Four 40 mins. at Luomo RJ
5) Five 40 mins. at 4X4 RJ
6) 4 TLN from RJ terma girls
Or you can have:
7) 20 Rua Augusta girls
8) 32 VM girls
9) 80 Edifício Itatiaia girls

Pyjama
11-24-05, 07:03
Let's see with R$800 I can get either:

1) 1 girl from WE
2) 2 girls from Cafe Photo
3) Three 40 mins. at Centaurus RJ
4) Four 40 mins. at Luomo RJ
5) Five 40 mins. at 4X4 RJ
6) 4 TLN from RJ terma girls

If it is still P4P, let me add
7) One month (!!) complete GFE with a girl in Ceara...

Funny thing the 32 R$. You pay for the service AND pay the 2 condoms an extra 1R$ each? I have seen this twice in appartments and wonder if this is Brazilian standart.

Pyjama

Sperto
11-24-05, 08:10
Funny thing the 32 R$. You pay for the service AND pay the 2 condoms an extra 1R$ each? Pyjama
No, R$ 800 equal 32 girls at VM, R$ 25/girl. If you didn't bring your own condom add R$ 2.

Prosal
11-24-05, 10:17
The problem with free is how much did those tequila shots until 6am cost? :)

As GK, I think that the cost of partying or shagging is irrelevant as long as you feel like it and can afford it.

I personnaly don't fly halway around the world to nurse my 5 reals Brahma for hours in some dingy boites filled with ugly faveladas.

Sperto
11-24-05, 11:05
I personnaly don't fly halway around the world to nurse my 5 reals Brahma for hours in some dingy boites filled with ugly faveladas... Funny, that's just what I do all the time. :)

Prosal
11-24-05, 11:22
Sperto

The "bahiana" of the Photo Gallery works in your favorite VM barzinho ?

I think I gonna stick to Love Story.

;-)

Prosal
11-24-05, 11:51
If you are looking for musical instruments, musicals scores, CDs and portuguese books (new and used) there is a large section of the rua Teodoro Sampaio, in Pinheiros, where you can find these kinds of shops (musical stores and/or book stores).


Interesting post, thanks. Pinheiros is definitively the most pleasant and lively district in town, with a very particular laidback atmosphere, and on a refreshingly human scale compared to most other bairros.

There's also in Pinheiros a lot of good bars/discos with an enjoyable atmosphere, where the crowd is not too young nor too snobish, and often packed with educated and very approachable women (many universitarias). The following places are all great live music spots, and also good to 'paquerar' :

Canto da Ema (forro)
Espaco Urbano (MPB, funk, jazz, ect)
Danado de Bom (forro)
Bar Mangeira (samba)
Nias (rock, funk, DJs), one of my personnal fav hangout with Azucar (salsa) in Itaim.

Anyhow there's dozens and dozens other good bars to discover in Pinheiros.

Cheers

Euro100
11-24-05, 13:34
Sperto:

OK, I confess, I have shelled out more than R1000 for a single night at Sao Paulo. But it is all relative. Sometimes I feel like bargain hunting, and sometimes I don't give a shit. If I am having a good time, and if I feel that I am not being ripped off (too much), then I might go for it. It all depends on the situation, the surroundings, and of course the girl. And no, I don't feel like a fool.

Here is how I would definitely feel like a fool: I am really turned on by a girl, and then I let her walk away because I had to price-haggle too much trying to get her down another R100; and then I either go back to my hotel alone or I pick up a cheapo hooker that doesn't turn me on, just to get laid by somebody - saved the money, but pissed away the evening. It all comes down to time versus money, and time to me is worth a hell of a lot more.

In the US, there are places where the market rate is $600 for just one hour!!! And then you often don't get a good selection. When I fly down to Brazil, I have to pay 2-3 grand for the plane ticket. And $200 per night for a good hotel in SP. Those are the big up-front expenses. The rest is play money. And I like spending play money a lot more ;)


Its your right to choose what you perfer and my right to choose what I prefer. Some might agree with my preferences too and those will have benefit from my reports. So I think that you should let me post my opinions without giving me a hard about how I choose to use my money. I am not fooled or cheated into the choice I make and I know the other cheaper alternatives that gives more bang for the buck - still I choose the way I do. Sorry if that pisses you guys off - but thats your problem, not mine.

GK:

You got it exactly right. Keep doing what you are doing, and keep posting. I am with you.

Next time in SP, I'll definitely try WE.
euro

Sperto
11-24-05, 14:37
Sperto:
OK, I confess, I have shelled out more than R1000 for a single night at Sao Paulo... It all comes down to time versus money, and time to me is worth a hell of a lot more... And I like spending play money a lot more ;)
euro
I think there are two major differences in our holidays.
First: The time, I never stay less than 3-4 months in Brazil.
Second: I guess your playground is mainly Rio/Sao Paulo. My playground covers the whole country. I compare my expenses in Sao Paulo to my expenses in Salvador, Manaus or Macapá.

In terms of quality of the girls and the sex I can't see a reason to spend more than I do.
In terms of having fun I've no doubt that you enjoy yourself in the clubs in Sao Paulo. Just as I enjoy myself in a simple Forró club in Rio Branco.

I always thought you Rio/Sao Paulo mongers would have more fun if you choosed a larger playground like mine. I felt that you are missing the best parts of Brazil. I guess I've been wrong. You are propably just happy as things are now.

Vatel69
11-24-05, 15:27
WE,

I just stated my preference. It all depends on what you are looking for. My experiences at Cafe Photo have been a mix between almost good and bad whereas WE gives me a good time in about 90% of my visits.

Bang for the buck is not always whats important - what I want is something which is as close to a real date as possible. The attitude and the looks of the women are important too.

Of the clubs in Sao Paulo I have visited, WE is the only one providing all of these requirements at a level I can accept. In my opinion they also have the best looking women in town.

Cafe Photo used to be good in the past - not anymore.

Oh - and by the way - why the sarcastic tone - did I offend you in any way?

GK


Guys,
Gk knows me and bottom lines is this. Each one has its own preference. If you get off with a girl for 1000 reais or with 100 reais, its about personal preference. There is no need to attack or been sarcastic with the other person´s preference.
Same way, that the majority of guys that post about Brazil, prefer going out with dark skin girls, and its all good for me. I dont judge or critize it.
And I think GK can vouch for me, I only give you and advice about if the girl has a good or bad atittude otherwise it all about what your little head is saying.

Prosal
11-24-05, 17:00
I've already been staying in the Parthenon Excellence rua C.Valente ; do you guys know other good options (aparthotel) in Pinheiros area ?

Thanks

Sui Generis
11-24-05, 18:16
I've already been staying in the Parthenon Excellence rua C.Valente ; do you guys know other good options (aparthotel) in Pinheiros area ?

Thanks

West Side Suite Hotel
R. Mateus Grou, 109
Tel. (11) 3061 0266
SGL R$ 183 DBL R$ 219
http://www.westsidesuitehotel.com.br

Grand Hotel
Av. Pedroso De Moraes, 589
Tel. (11) 3813-7744
SGL R$60 DBL R$73
http://www.grandhotlelpinheiros.com.br


Golden Tower
R. deputado Lacerda Franco, 148
Tel. (11) 3094-2200
http://www.goldentowerhotel.com.br

Hotel de la Rose
Praça Dos omaguás, 106
Tel. (11) 3812-9097
Sgl R$55 DBL R$65
http://www.hoteldelarose.com.br

L'Opera Hotel
Av. pedroso de Morais, 323
Tel. (11) 3813-3887
http://www.loperahotel.com.br
SGL/BDL R$99

Prosal
11-24-05, 23:02
SG

Great info. Golden Tower and West Side Suites seem nice, and the location in Pinheiros is a big + for me. One of those will surely be my base during a next stay in town.

Thanks.

Sampa Guide
11-25-05, 04:26
(...) Sampa Guide offered solid value as he will drive you around for 4-5 hours visiting as many clubs as you would like. His fixed price for transport beats the sum of prices for taxis were you to do it yourself. In addition, if you cannot speak any Portuguese, he can help you out by negotiating with the garota on your behalf.(...)

(...)This is more a report on using SG if you new the SP scene. He was well worth his fee. Not only did he save me all the cab fares, but he also got her to drop her Gringo price in about two minutes. Do not hesitate to use him if you a new to SP or if your language skills are limited.(...)

(...)and F’s help is indispensable for those new to the Sampa scene!I thank you all (including Jackson the admin) for giving me these opportunities to show that my work is legit.

By the way, Big Beans, if we were at Bahamas on the next day we would see the Mike Tyson's scene. LOL

For those who seek my help during a trip to São Paulo, here's more information: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=383988&postcount=2100

Thanks

Genghis Khan
11-25-05, 10:56
When I woke up, I showered and shaved quickly. I had agreed with Vatel69 that he would help me exchange some dollars I had brought with me to reais at a very good rate. Around 11 the phone in my room rang and the receptionist told me I had a visitor downstairs.

I went down to the reception but couldn't see Vatel69 anywhere. A man I had never seen before came over to me and said something to me in Portuguese I didn't understand. He understood I didn't understand what he said and made a gesture to me to wait. Then he took his cell phone out and made a call. A few seconds later the receptionist told me she had a call for me.

I took the phone and a female voice in the other end said, "Hello darling, how are you?" I answered "I am fine, but who are you?". She answered, "You are GK right - friend of Vatel69 and you have requested to see the book with my girls?"

This was true. I had made arrangements with Vatel69 that he should try to get hold of this Madame’s book of girls. I just wasn't expecting her book today. She is very famous in Sao Paulo. Her girls are celebrities from TV, models, porn stars and girls from magazines like Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler and Sexy (the Brazilian versions of these magazines). She has got the longest running madame service in town and has been around for years. Her girls are from R$2000 and up for the night. She has apparently had very few or no complaints about her girls over the years. In every club I went to in Sao Paulo on this trip and mentioned her name - they knew her and had only great things to say about her and her service. Her girls are popular among Arab sheiks. They order harems from her to stay with them for weeks at a time.

The guy standing in the reception had brought a CD for me with the pictures from her book. The CD was mine. I didn't have to give it back. The guy in the reception was a taxi driver. Normally she charges for the taxi ride, but I didn't have to pay anything.

She finished the phone call by saying - "Take a look at my girls and give me a call." I couldn't wait, but I hadn't brought my laptop and was either forced to go through the CD in the hotels business center (which didn't appeal to me) or ask Vatel69 if I could look through the CD in his apartment. I was quite sure he was interested in seeing the contents too.

I took the CD and went back upstairs to my room where Vatel69 was waiting outside my room. He had apparently been in the elevator on his way up to my room while I was on my way down to the reception.

This was something about the hotel I liked. They didn't charge visitors to the room and didn't require the guests to sign in. This means that security wasn't the best, but it was no problem bringing in more than one girl to stay the night- which I did and which will be in a later report. The hotels name is Melia Comfort Tryp Higienopolis and it is located in a nice area, safe for walking at night and close to Shopping Higienopolis and several nice restaurants. The service was bad though, but the price for a room was R$154 and my room had a balcony.

Vatel69 arranged the money exchange for me at a very good rate and then I went back where a taxi was waiting for me at the hotel to take me to lunch. I had made a reservation at the Italian restaurant Due Cuochi Cucina. http://www.duecuochi.com.br/

Due to some jetlag I decided to only have water with my meal. The starter was a Raviolone filled with mozzarella cheese and spinach - topped with white truffles. The main course was lamb with foie gras. The ambience was not much to write home about - but the food was very good and the price below $R100.

After the meal the taxi took me back to the hotel where I crashed down on my bed for some much needed sleep.

The dinner today was at the Japanese restaurant Shundi e Tomodachi. If you go there ask if they have anything good not on the menu because the menu doesn't show the best offerings they have like the Embruladino. Other great choices were Abalone and a maki with cream cheese, salmon and strawberries. I started by drinking glasses of sake (3 or 4) and then had a bottle of wine. This meal was quite expensive - but worth it in my opinion. The bill was R$436. http://www.shundietomodachi.com.br/

After finishing my meal I took a taxi to Bahamas. Since WE is closed during weekends and Cafe Photo normally is very slow on Saturdays and closed on Sundays, I usually go to Bahamas on Saturdays and Sundays.

Bahamas was quite slow this night. Not many really great looking girls. I went over to the bar and ordered a Caipirinha. A waiter came over to me and asked if I wanted a table. I answered yes - and he showed me to a table near the stage where they have shows from Monday through Friday (not this night as it was a Saturday).

During the night I had several girls come over to my table. Many of them looked really good as the quality of the selection picked up during the night. I had a hard time finding one that I wanted to take home. Either they didn't want to do BBBJ, they couldn't stay the whole night or their prices were outrageous. One really good-looking girl quoted me a price of R$1000 for the entire night including BBBJ and anal, but I wasn't prepared to pay that kind of price in Bahamas.

The attitude of the girls inside Bahamas are quite aggressive. They try to push you into taking them. This is a big turnoff for me and usually puts me in a frame of mind where I question the girls honesty and if I can trust them to give me good service. This makes it even harder for me to find someone I like.

After a few hours and a few Caipirinhas I had become quite drunk and my usual standard lowered a bit. A girl I hadn't seen before approached me and sat down - her name was Dany. It seemed like she had talked to some of the other girls I had talked to earlier because she said without me even asking "all night including BBBJ for R$400 at your hotel". She had long, blonde curly hair, slim body, wore a skimpy black bikini, had a really nice tan - but her teeth were all over the place. She seemed like a fun girl though with the right attitude - so I forgave her for the teeth and decided to take her home. She had a car, so no need for a taxi. The drinks I had, the girls drinks along with my entrance and her exit fee amounted to around R$450. This was more than I had expected, but I wasn't in a state of mind where making a complaint would have been very productive anyway - so I just paid and we left.

While driving back to the hotel she opened my pants and changed between using the cars stick shift and playing with my "stick shift" - if you know what I mean. By the time we came to the hotel, I was really worked up. In the elevator up to my room she was all over me. I was a bit afraid the she would try to go down on me inside the elevator - because it had a camera, but she didn't.

Inside the hotel room we took a quick shower and she went down on me. Despite her wicked teeth - she gave great head and I liked it so much that we never got around to doing anything else. Every time she tried to stop I just motioned her to continue - and she obeyed. In the end I was too drunk to pop. So after about an hour of this - we went to sleep.

She woke me up at around 7. She had to leave because she had to go to work. So we kissed goodbye and I promised her that I would call her - which it turned out I never got around to.

GK

DJ FourMoney
11-25-05, 22:13
I think there are two major differences in our holidays.
First: The time, I never stay less than 3-4 months in Brazil.
Second: I guess your playground is mainly Rio/Sao Paulo. My playground covers the whole country. I compare my expenses in Sao Paulo to my expenses in Salvador, Manaus or Macapá.

In terms of quality of the girls and the sex I can't see a reason to spend more than I do.

In terms of having fun I've no doubt that you enjoy yourself in the clubs in Sao Paulo. Just as I enjoy myself in a simple Forró club in Rio Branco.

I always thought you Rio/Sao Paulo mongers would have more fun if you choosed a larger playground like mine. I felt that you are missing the best parts of Brazil. I guess I've been wrong. You are propably just happy as things are now.I can't afford to run around an unknown area like Brasil and not speak an ounce of anything but minor Spanish, Ebonics and English. That isn't going to work for me.

I'm a "value" monger as well, but it doesn't bother me that others spend alot more than I ever will in one transaction on the hobby.

So my game is monger to take the edge off, search for non-pro action, if that fails, then find a willing provider for some TLN.

Now I'm trying to workout my budget to be able to do this for 5 days straight if nessarary. I say nessarary because I believe I could find a short-term relationship with semi-pro or whatever in that time frame, somebody I would be willing to come see again and commincate with.

Is that horrible?

I will agree there more angles to the hobby than just bangin the most beautiful woman you can afford or reliving your youth by bangin girls half your age, but there's a place in this hobby for all of us. This is a unqiue brotherhood and we shouldn't ***** and moan about how much money is being spent by others, unless it really is driving up the market price.

Full Throttle
11-26-05, 05:56
The problem with free is how much did those tequila shots until 6am cost? :)

128R per, if I recall. It is usually the ugly girls that try to scam you into buying the drinks, because they know all you would do with them is grope in the club.

This discussion about price is fairly interesting. While my personal M.O. is to work my ass off in order to get a high quality experience for the lowest possible price, I am glad that there are mongers of every level of demand. And not just because I'm some mealy-mouthed libertarian.

Consider the lottery. If all players could win was $2.00 tickets, there wouldn't be enough people to play. The lottery needs multi-million dollar prizes to attract players, who are then happy when they win a $2.00 ticket!

Similarly, if there were no Cafe Photo/WE/ Bahamas/ Pretty Woman success stories, I don't think there would be nearly as many working girls. That's another reason I don't mind when the girls attempt to charge the gringo tax. Even I've paid it -- usually once per city. It is merely a rite of passage that helps girls like Americans. Once they figure out that you're a gentleman, savvy, but fair, the price drops to something more realistic.

Regarding rancor on the board, I don't really understand it. I enjoy hearing about every experience, whether it's in my price range or not. In fact, it's important to hear the ones that aren't, as I could have unwittingly been lured into WE had I not read the last few pages of posts!

One issue that has proven itself to be true over and over in country after country is that there may be a correlation between effort, quality, and price, but not just quality and price. In other words, if you are willing to spend the time and effort, you will achieve the same level of girl and experience normally associated with MUCH higher prices.

I respect that some don't want to deal with the hassle. For me, the effort is half the fun, while others enjoy sitting in an ornate bar, receiving superior service and enjoying the company of well-kept girls from which to choose. I'd rather find the diamond in the rough at Kilt, Cocktail, the Balneiro Club, or, at times, on Augusta.

That said, the high-end reports are great. I can live vicariously on anyone's budget.



FT

Bimbo Boy
11-26-05, 06:41
Has anyone ever tried this agency : http://www.fascinacao.kit.net/ ?
How good is it? Regards.

Sui Generis
11-26-05, 07:57
I've never try this agency.

I know however that it is also known under this name: Patrica - Model's

I don't know if this is a joke but the girls start at $R2000

We can recognize on the pics of the site GDPs like Bruna Ferraz, Luana Mel. But they appear under different names. For example: Bruna Ferraz is Clara with Fascinação.Some of the girl are also models on the Dream cam.

One thing is sure: it's an agency and we all know that agencies are more or less reliable (bait and switch)

Comgo
11-26-05, 08:29
128R per, if I recall. It is usually the ugly girls that try to scam you into buying the drinks, because they know all you would do with them is grope in the club.

This discussion about price is fairly interesting. While my personal M.O. is to work my ass off in order to get a high quality experience for the lowest possible price, I am glad that there are mongers of every level of demand. And not just because I'm some mealy-mouthed libertarian.

Consider the lottery. If all players could win was $2.00 tickets, there wouldn't be enough people to play. The lottery needs multi-million dollar prizes to attract players, who are then happy when they win a $2.00 ticket!

Similarly, if there were no Cafe Photo/WE/ Bahamas/ Pretty Woman success stories, I don't think there would be nearly as many working girls. That's another reason I don't mind when the girls attempt to charge the gringo tax. Even I've paid it -- usually once per city. It is merely a rite of passage that helps girls like Americans. Once they figure out that you're a gentleman, savvy, but fair, the price drops to something more realistic.

Regarding rancor on the board, I don't really understand it. I enjoy hearing about every experience, whether it's in my price range or not. In fact, it's important to hear the ones that aren't, as I could have unwittingly been lured into WE had I not read the last few pages of posts!

One issue that has proven itself to be true over and over in country after country is that there may be a correlation between effort, quality, and price, but not just quality and price. In other words, if you are willing to spend the time and effort, you will achieve the same level of girl and experience normally associated with MUCH higher prices.

I respect that some don't want to deal with the hassle. For me, the effort is half the fun, while others enjoy sitting in an ornate bar, receiving superior service and enjoying the company of well-kept girls from which to choose. I'd rather find the diamond in the rough at Kilt, Cocktail, the Balneiro Club, or, at times, on Augusta.

That said, the high-end reports are great. I can live vicariously on anyone's budget.



FT

Obviously, everyone can do as they please with their money; however, I thought one of the purposes of this website was to learn how to get the best bang for your buck. While I enjoy reading GK's reports, I just wanted to point out the prices of WE before someone who didn't know went there and wasn't ready for its very high prices.

Prosal
11-26-05, 09:39
The problem with free is how much did those tequila shots until 6am cost ?
128R per, if I recall.

We were talking about partying in Love Story where Tequila shots cost 25 reals.

Being generous with nice meninas with who we have pleasure to party with is not being "scammed by ugly girls", as you stated. We know what we are doing. Not all of us are cheap charlies travelling on budget anyway.

Cheers

Sperto
11-26-05, 10:21
...This is a unqiue brotherhood and we shouldn't ***** and moan about how much money is being spent by others, unless it really is driving up the market price.
DJFM, nobody is moaning. I was curious of the reasons for spending big $ in one night. Pro, Bubba Boy and Euro gave their explanations, which I appreciated.

Starfe
11-26-05, 15:02
Thanks for telling it like it is. Some of us will always pay up for the right girl. It's in our gene pool.

Starfe

Comgo
11-26-05, 17:11
Where have you found anything saying that this site if for finding the best bang for the buck? I thought this site was for all mongers sharing their experiences and learning from each other.

Best bang for the buck is a personal opinion. Maybe I think the girls I take back to my hotel is the best bang pr. buck for the night. It all depends on how much you are willing to spend and what kind of girls you want - that is a personal opinion too.

So no matter how you try to push your message of best bang for the buck it comes down to the fact that everything in this hobby is a matter of personal opinion and you just have to face the fact that you don't own the answer to what everyone else should think.

And - the prices at WE have been posted on this site many times - so people curious of the place would probably try to at least do a search on this site in order to find out as much as possible before going there.

GK

Re-read what I wrote. I said ONE of the purposes of this website is to learn how to get the best bang for your buck. You do understand best bang for your buck doesn't mean cheapest, right? It also obviously is going to exclude pointlessly expensive sucker joints. If you think 1000R just for the girl for TLN in Brazil is the best bang for the buck, whoever the girl is, then great, but I'm sure most would disagree. You could have found an equal calibre girl for no more than 400R TLN if you looked in the right places and even that is expensive, but keep paying 1000R if you like. At the end of the day, it is all opinion and I said as much and you can do what you like. Although the prices of WE have been posted, many members of the forum didn't see it and might not have known how to find it. Searching for "WE" will get you a bunch of things that won't be the prices for a place in Sao Paulo, since everything where someone wrote "we" will come up. Full Throttle already said as much that he appreciated having the prices posted so he didn't get surprised after going there, but okay you tell me not to post up useful information.

Genghis Khan
11-26-05, 17:54
Comgo,

I really don't give a shit what you think. As long as I know what I am doing (not being fooled or cheated) and think what I am doing is what I would like to do myself - thats whats important to me.

What you think, with your 44 posts on the forum - which about half was in this argument, really is of no relevance to me. This argument is a waste of forum space and I stand by my opinion that for me WE gives the best bang for the buck - which I am perfectly entitled to without you using tons of posts trying to tell me I am wrong - how the hell could you know what makes my clock tick, or anybody elses for that matter - heh?

GK

Genghis Khan
11-26-05, 18:13
After Dany had left, I went back to sleep. The phone woke me up at around 10. The female voice at the other end turned out to be the Madame again. "Hello darling, have you had a look at my girls"? "No, I am sorry but I need to get access to a computer first and I will probably not be able to do that until later this afternoon. I will have Vatel69 call you tomorrow". "Didn't you like any of my girls"? "I am sure they are great, but I need to see the pictures later today before I decide. We will let you know tomorrow". "Okay, darling. I will wait for your call tomorrow".

Around 11 Vatel69 called and asked how the night had been. I told him it had been great - although the alcohol might have made the girl look better to me than she really was (I didn't tell him this last part). I told him about the phone call from the Madame and he answered that it would be no problem looking at the CD on his computer. We agreed that my taxi would stop at his apartment on my way back from lunch.

The lunch today was at the Spanish seafood restaurant Don Curro. This is a great restaurant with fish tanks of all kinds of live seafood on display inside the dining area. Paella with lobster is their speciality. They will bring the lobster from the tank to your table for inspection before they start making the paella. The paella is made in large portions, so it requires at least two persons dining together. I ate alone so I had to choose something else. The starter was a dozen oysters and main course was a seafood stew called Zarzuela. I had only water with this meal. The bill was R$178. Don Curro was a great restaurant, but more enjoyable if you are several people dining together. http://www.restaurantedoncurro.com.br/

After lunch I took a taxi to Vatel69's apartment. We started looking through the CD together and made notes on a piece of paper which girl I liked. The CD was organized as one catalogue for each letter in the alphabet. The first letter of the girl’s first name decided which catalogue her pictures were saved on. After three hours we had just managed to go through letters A-D and the piece of paper was full of names. We decided we needed a break and go through the rest later. I also decided that I needed to raise my standard a bit otherwise my shortlist of girls would be too long. I was staggered by the amount of good looking girls available through this Madame. The question still remained though if this was a bait and switch or the real thing.

My stomach was a bit upset today - I guess from the sashimi from yesterday. I am not used to the thick slices of sashimi they make here in Sao Paulo. At home the sashimi is much thinner. I decided to drop the planned dinner at Kosushi today and instead sleep to get ready for Bahamas again tonight. http://www.kosushi.com.br/

At around 8 I got up from bed, took a shower and changed. No food and no drinks is usually not a good way to prepare myself for nightly activities, but the sleep helped a bit on the jetlag. The taxi picked me up at around 8:30 and we arrived at Bahamas at around 9.

Today was a slower night than yesterday. There were fewer girls and not so many customers. Most of the girls present were also present yesterday. Dany didn't work today. The waiter from yesterday recognized me and showed me to the same table as yesterday. Before ordering a drink, I asked if they had some small portions of food as I was starting to get hungry. I was shown the menu and ordered a small portion of pasta and a Caipirinha. While eating, a couple of the girls I had talked to yesterday came over to my table and asked me what happened yesterday. I didn't understand what they were talking about. "You dumped us over Dany. She is ugly." "I don't think she is ugly", I answered. The two girls started flirting and touching me, but without a few drinks this is not a good tactic with me. I don't like attention much then and usually prefer to take initiative myself. Trying to push me into a choice or feel me up will only lead to a feeling of awkwardness and not at all comfortable. So after a while I just told them that I needed some time alone to finish my food. I said I might talk to them later. One of the girls said that was the exact same thing I had told her yesterday too. I was a liar she said because I had no intention of talking to them later. I simply shrugged my shoulders and they left. This conversation kind of ruined my mood for the rest of the evening. Was Dany really that ugly? No, I didn't think so and I wasn't that drunk even though I admitted to myself that the alcohol might have made her seem better looking than she really was. I really didn't fancy any of the girls that much either but I hated going home alone and on Sundays there were not many other alternatives.

From my table I started to look over every girl and asking myself if I really couldn't see myself taking her home. I ended up with three girls that I thought I could take home if as a last possibility - unfortunately all three were occupied at the moment. All of these three girls sat around the bar, so I left my seat and sat down on the couch beside the fireplace and tried to get eye contact with them in turn. All three girls had been with their customers for a long time and they had not gone upstairs or for a takeout, so I thought that they might be persuaded over to me if they saw my interest. I had dressed in a suite, and I don't look like a Brazilian. The guys with these girls looked like Brazilians to me and my hope was that the hope of some extra cash from a gringo might steer at least one of these girls in my direction too. I had absolutely no intention of paying more than R$350,- for the night for any of them but once I got one of them over to me, I was pretty sure I could make that deal as it was starting to get late and it would close in about 30 minutes. After a while one of the girls noticed me and smiled back. She was a black girl with a very hard, curvy figure. After about 5 minutes she left her current customer. He left Bahamas and she came over to my table introducing herself as Roamy. She spoke English and asked me if I wanted to take her out. It wouldn't be possible to go upstairs as they would close very soon. I asked her how much that would be and she answered R$400 for all night. I told her (lying through me teeth) that I really preferred to go upstairs but if she would be willing to spend the night at my hotel including BBBJ, I would give her R$300. She made a grimace on her face as if in disgust and left. I got up on my feet and did one more round in the club before heading for the door when Roamy appeared again and said she agreed to my deal. I had watched her with the other customer for quite a while and she seemed like she had exactly the crazy attitude needed to get me off tonight. The entrance, my drinks and her exit fee was around R$200, but I don't remember exactly. We took a taxi back to my hotel. In the taxi I asked her if she was into Swing clubs. She answered that she loved Swing clubs. I told her that I was looking for company to go to a swing club another day during this or the next week. She said she would love to go with me and she had a beautiful looking girlfriend that she thought might be interesting for me to bring along too. I got both their phone numbers.

When we got into the elevator at the hotel she started kissing me, but man she had bad breath. This was not going to be enjoyable. To cut the story short, the sex was pretty good but her bad breath was kind of a turnoff - so again no pop.

I think you will notice from what I write that I think I made a couple of mistakes this trip - one of them was Roamy. She really was not a girl I should have taken. No offence to her - it was just too short a time before closing time in Bahamas to check out our chemistry. She was great in bed but not my type.

She left me around 7 in the morning and told me to call if I wanted them to join me to a swing club. As you can probably guess - I never did.


GK

Comgo
11-26-05, 18:32
Comgo,

I really don't give a shit what you think. As long as I know what I am doing (not being fooled or cheated) and think what I am doing is what I would like to do myself - thats whats important to me.

What you think, with your 44 posts on the forum - which about half was in this argument, really is of no relevance to me. This argument is a waste of forum space and I stand by my opinion that for me WE gives the best bang for the buck - which I am perfectly entitled to without you using tons of posts trying to tell me I am wrong - how the hell could you know what makes my clock tick, or anybody elses for that matter - heh?

GK

This is my last post to you. You obviously have an inferiority complex. Learn to read.

Genghis Khan
11-26-05, 18:35
This is my last post to you. You obviously have an inferiority complex. Learn to read.

There you go again. Have I ever attacked you personally? Then why do you keep on lashing out at me? Inferiority complex - are you suddenly an expert on my mind as well as how I should use my money and why the hell should I feel inferior to you who could take home a girl just because she is cheap?

You wrote:
"You could have found an equal calibre girl for no more than 400R TLN if you looked in the right places and even that is expensive."

Your big mistake here is that you think I haven't tried your alternative - but I have. Here are just two examples. The last thursday on the trip I am currently doing reports from - it was too late to go to WE when I decided to hit a club. It was around midnight. So I went to Rua Augusta and went to Kilt, Vagao, My Love and Coctail. I spent 4 hours between these clubs - and couldn't find one girl that I wanted to take home. The last Saturday of this trip I went to Cafe Millenium and finally took a girl upstairs, but that was the biggest mistake of that trip. So again, bang for the buck is still a matter of what you are looking for. I have gone your route several times and learned that it doesn't give me what I am looking for - that is why I now have focused my attention elsewhere. Thats not stupidity but the the act of free choice.

GK

Full Throttle
11-26-05, 19:27
We were talking about partying in Love Story where Tequila shots cost 25 reals.

Being generous with nice meninas with who we have pleasure to party with is not being "scammed by ugly girls", as you stated. We know what we are doing. Not all of us are cheap charlies travelling on budget anyway.

Cheers

The girls who brought me upstairs and tried to get me to buy them 128R tequilas were ugly. I've heard from others that a certain number of girls participate in this scam. I'm glad your girls were neither ugly nor scammers.

LoveStory is awesome. It's something everyone needs to experience at least once. I've been there 5 times and have had good luck with girls from there, even a nice double, which is against my oft-broken policy.

Who's "Cheap Charlie?" My post was all about how cool it is that everyone shares information about all facets of hobbying. I even tried to explain that I think it is good for the low-end people that the high-end people are out there!

I enjoy reading high-end experiences as well as the low-end. Heck, I participate in both. If that didn't come across, then sorry, but that's what I meant. Why are people so defensive, lately?

FT

Starfe
11-26-05, 19:27
There are more then a few of us out there that wait all year for 1 of GK's travel logs. Read and learn my friend how the other 1/2 lives.

This is a pro's pro.


Starfe

Comgo
11-27-05, 10:24
There you go again. Have I ever attacked you personally? Then why do you keep on lashing out at me? Inferiority complex - are you suddenly an expert on my mind as well as how I should use my money and why the hell should I feel inferior to you who could take home a girl just because she is cheap?

You wrote:
"You could have found an equal calibre girl for no more than 400R TLN if you looked in the right places and even that is expensive."

Your big mistake here is that you think I haven't tried your alternative - but I have. Here are just two examples. The last thursday on the trip I am currently doing reports from - it was too late to go to WE when I decided to hit a club. It was around midnight. So I went to Rua Augusta and went to Kilt, Vagao, My Love and Coctail. I spent 4 hours between these clubs - and couldn't find one girl that I wanted to take home. The last Saturday of this trip I went to Cafe Millenium and finally took a girl upstairs, but that was the biggest mistake of that trip. So again, bang for the buck is still a matter of what you are looking for. I have gone your route several times and learned that it doesn't give me what I am looking for - that is why I now have focused my attention elsewhere. Thats not stupidity but the the act of free choice.

GK

One time I'll go against what I said and post to you one more time even though I said I wouldn't because your response was actually civil. I never intended to attack you, you took everything I said as an attack and responded to me with things like "I don't give a shit what you think". That's very disrespectful and I consider you saying something like that as an attack when in fact I never had attacked you up until that point. I only pointed out the prices and suggested you try other less expensive places that can't be that far off of WE, like Bahamas for instance which itself is expensive for Brazil. This is why I stated you must have an inferiority complex because you took everything I said as an attack and with hostility even though it wasn't intended that way by me. I even stated I liked reading your reports. Let me state again for the third time in, I think, the past few posts that it's your money, you can obviously do whatever you like. This is why I'm not sure why you took what I said as an attack and attacked me, I never tried to mandate what you do but tried to suggest you're being overcharged.

Genghis Khan
11-27-05, 11:31
One time I'll go against what I said and post to you one more time even though I said I wouldn't because your response was actually civil. I never intended to attack you, you took everything I said as an attack and responded to me with things like "I don't give a shit what you think". That's very disrespectful and I consider you saying something like that as an attack when in fact I never had attacked you up until that point. I only pointed out the prices and suggested you try other less expensive places that can't be that far off of WE, like Bahamas for instance which itself is expensive for Brazil. This is why I stated you must have an inferiority complex because you took everything I said as an attack and with hostility even though it wasn't intended that way by me. I even stated I liked reading your reports. Let me state again for the third time in, I think, the past few posts that it's your money, you can obviously do whatever you like. This is why I'm not sure why you took what I said as an attack and attacked me, I never tried to mandate what you do but tried to suggest you're being overcharged.

Thats exactly the point. You kept suggesting that I should go elsewhere and I kept telling you its my choice. You said you accepted that when you in fact didn't accept that. You kept on telling me what I should pay and where I should go. That is in my opinion an attack because you thought what I chose to do was ignorant and that I was overpaying. I can understand your point of view if you were talking in general terms about what other people should do, but you weren't. You were talking about what I should do. I never asked for your opinion on what I should do and in the end I lost my patience with you. That is the reason why I wrote that I don't give a shit about what you think - because I really don't care. My time and my money is spent on what I think is good for me and you have no real background info to draw on to give me any information on what would suite my specific taste or budget. I don't think thats disrespectful on my part at all. I had to wake you up somehow. So like another poster here wrote as well, I think you should learn something from this.

Your opinion is welcomed in a general way, but you should not try to convince anybody specific that you have the answer to what he should pay or where he should play unless you are asked. A newbie might have questions and want suggestions but a seasoned player will only get pissed.

Bahamas is very far off WE. Have you ever been to either place. In Bahamas the girls walk around in bikinis and skimpy outfits trying to attract the customers that way. In WE the atmosphere is different. Its more like you have been invited to a normal party. The girls dress in normal clothing (not like Cafe Photo where they wear cocktail dresses to hide how they really look underneath) and their attitude (sort of a girl-next-door kind of way) in addition to their looks are what they sell. Like I told you earlier, this is what I am looking for - and no other club in Sao Paulo has got anything quite similar. About 90% of my visits to WE have been very good or outstanding. In Cafe Photo about 50%, Bahamas - 50%, Cafe Millenium - 0%. I have never been to Bomboa, Kilt - 10% - the other clubs around Rua Augusta - 0% (never found a girl worth taking).

My upcoming report from Day 8 is likely to be controversial because I took a girl from the Madame service I have written initially about in the three first reports. She was R$2000. In addition I took her to dinner at A Figueira which as an additional R$650. People on this board are going whine and complain about that, but I don't regret it. In fact I think the experience was like nothing I had ever had up until then - and worth every penny. For me its not about quanitity - like 100 girls from Vila Mimosa - its about quality. To be very blunt - to me a hole is not a hole. The hole is not even that important - its the experience. Think back on all the girls you have had and try to find those that really gave you a good time - not just in bed - but her mind as well. I consider some of the dates I have had with working girls to be better than those I have had with normal girls. That doesn't mean I haven't had a lot of good dates with normal girls too. Bottom line is that you will not find the kind of girl I am looking for from the street or from places like Cocktail or Kilt.

Lets end this conversation and move on.

GK

DJ FourMoney
11-27-05, 14:30
Just to get it out in the open and personally I would like an idea -

What is your budget for say 5-7 days in SP?

What on average do you spend on a provider?

From the reports I have read, I feel $1500US is plenty of play money and I shouldn't even come close to spending even $1,000 of it if everything goes as planned.

GK is clearly not after a "cheap thrill" and I respect him for that. After MoonDog and others, he is one of the last of the big spenders posting and for that I love ya man.

When you post your report on the $2000R hottie, is it too much to ask for a PG rated picture? I wanna see what $2000R buys.

Latina Addict
11-27-05, 16:46
Welllll, hello there all you selfish,¨"the reason the locals laugh at us" pricks!!!!!!
Value shopper, cheap charlie here! The few likes of you that apparently like to pay many thousands over the sticker for a new car (where the fuck were you when I sold cars part time!) are a little less than impressed by the MANY THOUSANDS of us that love our honeymoon sex with a non hardened sweetheart who fucks us like her life depended on us being happy!

I have a cohort who just went to Foto, paid 600 US for TLN all inclusive, and he said he would rather fuck his hand looking at a Playboy! And...., this was his third time with such an experience.

Let me ask those, who know who they are, a little, but very pertanant question....How many PM's have you all received begging for additional info so they too can pay 700 to 1000 Reals for a shot in the dark with a 9.1 chica? I gather perhaps few if not none. I have received dozens of PM's just on my "value" floors of *****s" in Sao Paulo and Rio!.... Hundreds of PM's/emails all together from those of us who, BTW, spend every penny we fucking make, thereby negating our cheap charlie status!!!!!! Get my drift?

I know a great many guys mongering cuz their FWOVT (Fucking Waste Of Vaginal Tissue) wife gave up sex for kids, who cannot hide their mongering funds easily, and trust me, YOU ALL, the FEW, who look down on us, and call us condescending names, and set the tone that we are cheap fucks, are greatly in the minority. You continue to unnecissarily raise the price bar of ALL pussy, and hurt the majority of us who monger due to our life choices, good or bad, but mongers all we are.

Let me reflect what many, many PM's and emails say and scream a hearty FUCK YOU BASTARDS, fights on, kiss my ass, you have now struck a nerve and the leading edge of the spear has just entered the battle and thrown down the glove.


Latina Addict....AKA cheap charlie who is reeeaaallly tired of fighting to lower the bar.

PS, I am self reporting myself to the administrator so don't fucking bother. I stand up for what I believe is right. And have NEVER been accused of holding back.

Genghis Khan
11-27-05, 17:25
Welllll, hello there all you selfish,¨"the reason the locals laugh at us" pricks!!!!!!
Value shopper, cheap charlie here! The few likes of you that apparently like to pay many thousands over the sticker for a new car (where the fuck were you when I sold cars part time!) are a little less than impressed by the MANY THOUSANDS of us that love our honeymoon sex with a non hardened sweetheart who fucks us like her life depended on us being happy!

I have a cohort who just went to Foto, paid 600 US for TLN all inclusive, and he said he would rather fuck his hand looking at a Playboy! And...., this was his third time with such an experience.

Let me ask those, who know who they are, a little, but very pertanant question....How many PM's have you all received begging for additional info so they too can pay 700 to 1000 Reals for a shot in the dark with a 9.1 chica? I gather perhaps few if not none. I have received dozens of PM's just on my "value" floors of *****s" in Sao Paulo and Rio!.... Hundreds of PM's/emails all together from those of us who, BTW, spend every penny we fucking make, thereby negating our cheap charlie status!!!!!! Get my drift?

I know a great many guys mongering cuz their FWOVT (Fucking Waste Of Vaginal Tissue) wife gave up sex for kids, who cannot hide their mongering funds easily, and trust me, YOU ALL, the FEW, who look down on us, and call us condescending names, and set the tone that we are cheap fucks, are greatly in the minority. You continue to unnecissarily raise the price bar of ALL pussy, and hurt the majority of us who monger due to our life choices, good or bad, but mongers all we are.

Let me reflect what many, many PM's and emails say and scream a hearty FUCK YOU BASTARDS, fights on, kiss my ass, you have now struck a nerve and the leading edge of the spear has just entered the battle and thrown down the glove.


Latina Addict....AKA cheap charlie who is reeeaaallly tired of fighting to lower the bar.

PS, I am self reporting myself to the administrator so don't fucking bother. I stand up for what I believe is right. And have NEVER been accused of holding back.

Latina Addict,
You are entitled to your opinion as anybody else but you are wrong. I have gotten a lot of PMs for the phone number of the madame I took a girl for R$2000 from and also for girls from WE which I have paid R$1000 for.

It might be so that people like me willing to pay these prices raise the prices for everybody else but so be it because the fun of this hobby for me is not to find the cheapest skank around and without even talking to her, bang her for two hours and then throw her out of my hotelroom. Sorry thats not me and you will not be able to stop me playing this hobby the way I and several others like to play it.

So I guess we just have to learn how to coexist without starting a war over how the game is played.

GK

Latina Addict
11-27-05, 18:10
Within minutes, I received the following IM from one of my thousands of supporters....
"Hi.
A very refreshing post.
I totally agree with you.
Cheers" (name withheld until he hops on the spear head with me)

And.....2 phone calls already from fellow mongers!
As far as getting along? Another pointed question...Do you feel it is justified everybody, for a single mom to steal 250 bucks out of your pocket, simply because you are a gringo in her country? Yea, I thought so.
That is what the price raisers are doing to the VAST majority of us.
PS, all non believers.....I do not fuck a skank, then throw her out in a couple of hours. Ok, some is assemblyline sex for tension relief, ok.... Read my reports. Mine and many other's mission, is the ultimate GFE TLN from something other than our FWOVT, asexual wives.
With my budget, some mongers are cock blocking me and many others from great gals simply due to our personal economics. Not required, or necissary, and just as hard on some of us as the common street thieves robbing us.

I also doubt that the "few" PM's/emails/phone calls/handshakes/thanks/praise, GK gets, comes close to my hundreds and hundreds.

Latina Addict,... oh shit, I'm sorry, Cheapie Charlie.

Sperto
11-27-05, 18:26
It might be so that people like me willing to pay these prices raise the prices for everybody else but so be it because the fun of this hobby for me is not to find the cheapest skank around and without even talking to her, bang her for two hours and then throw her out of my hotelroom.
GK, I think you should continue to pay whatever you want. It's almost Christmas and the girls will need your money. A few mongers overpaying the girls might spoil them, but not really raise the prices for the rest of us. The girls know that Papa Noel only comes one time per year.

Genghis Khan
11-27-05, 19:13
PS, all non believers.....I do not fuck a skank, then throw her out in a couple of hours.

I don't think you do and never wrote so.

I just don't understand what you are trying to accomplish. I am not going to try to change your ways and there is no point in you trying to change mine either.

...and for the record I would never paid US 600 for a girl in Photo.

GK

Genghis Khan
11-27-05, 19:31
GK, I think you should continue to pay whatever you want. It's almost Christmas and the girls will need your money. A few mongers overpaying the girls might spoil them, but not really raise the prices for the rest of us. The girls know that Papa Noel only comes one time per year.

I am glad you think so, because I am not going to change.

GK

Comgo
11-28-05, 02:44
Thats exactly the point. You kept suggesting that I should go elsewhere and I kept telling you its my choice. You said you accepted that when you in fact didn't accept that. You kept on telling me what I should pay and where I should go. That is in my opinion an attack because you thought what I chose to do was ignorant and that I was overpaying. I can understand your point of view if you were talking in general terms about what other people should do, but you weren't. You were talking about what I should do. I never asked for your opinion on what I should do and in the end I lost my patience with you. That is the reason why I wrote that I don't give a shit about what you think - because I really don't care. My time and my money is spent on what I think is good for me and you have no real background info to draw on to give me any information on what would suite my specific taste or budget. I don't think thats disrespectful on my part at all. I had to wake you up somehow. So like another poster here wrote as well, I think you should learn something from this.

Your opinion is welcomed in a general way, but you should not try to convince anybody specific that you have the answer to what he should pay or where he should play unless you are asked. A newbie might have questions and want suggestions but a seasoned player will only get pissed.

Bahamas is very far off WE. Have you ever been to either place. In Bahamas the girls walk around in bikinis and skimpy outfits trying to attract the customers that way. In WE the atmosphere is different. Its more like you have been invited to a normal party. The girls dress in normal clothing (not like Cafe Photo where they wear cocktail dresses to hide how they really look underneath) and their attitude (sort of a girl-next-door kind of way) in addition to their looks are what they sell. Like I told you earlier, this is what I am looking for - and no other club in Sao Paulo has got anything quite similar. About 90% of my visits to WE have been very good or outstanding. In Cafe Photo about 50%, Bahamas - 50%, Cafe Millenium - 0%. I have never been to Bomboa, Kilt - 10% - the other clubs around Rua Augusta - 0% (never found a girl worth taking).

My upcoming report from Day 8 is likely to be controversial because I took a girl from the Madame service I have written initially about in the three first reports. She was R$2000. In addition I took her to dinner at A Figueira which as an additional R$650. People on this board are going whine and complain about that, but I don't regret it. In fact I think the experience was like nothing I had ever had up until then - and worth every penny. For me its not about quanitity - like 100 girls from Vila Mimosa - its about quality. To be very blunt - to me a hole is not a hole. The hole is not even that important - its the experience. Think back on all the girls you have had and try to find those that really gave you a good time - not just in bed - but her mind as well. I consider some of the dates I have had with working girls to be better than those I have had with normal girls. That doesn't mean I haven't had a lot of good dates with normal girls too. Bottom line is that you will not find the kind of girl I am looking for from the street or from places like Cocktail or Kilt.

Lets end this conversation and move on.

GK

I don't think I tried to tell you what to do but SUGGESTED you were being overcharged. Blame it on internet miscommunication. I have been to Bahamas but never WE because I just didn't feel like chancing 1000R on a possible dud which ALL of the GDP's in the world can be from time to time. If you've always had great experiences there then great. I monger differently from you; I look for quantity and quality. If I wanted just one girl a day or every few days, I don't need to pay for it at all; I'd stay in the US and be with girls that I think are more attractive, better groomed, and more educated. When I monger, I shoot for 4+ high quality (looks wise) girls a day. Our budgets probably aren't that different, but I try to get more quantity with my quality. I agree on the moving on from this conversation part.

SobeLizard
11-28-05, 03:26
Genghis Khan,

I know that you take alot of heat for being the goodguy.

I envy your lifestyle.

Most people eat at McDonald's and have salad for lunch while you dine at the most expensive restaurants.

Please critique more restaurant experiences.

As for your choice of woman, most people can not match your standards but that is not your problem. (It's called jealousy!) We all know it but most are too macho to admit it. I don't have a problem with 800 TLN. In America (New York, Philly, Boston, or Wash. D.C. ) TLN with the same chick will probably cost 5000USD.

Please keep up the reports.

I will be there soon.

Latina Addict
11-28-05, 03:30
First No matter our monitary differences, I greatly respect a fellow monger posting, unlike all you pussy assed lurkers.... But, the real problem here, is besides a nerve being struck, last straw, whatever, .....is that your habits and not just yours, but many others ARE raising prices. I travel all over. and it is well known EVERYWHERE that gringos for the most part, pay more, need to pay more and are not shit heads for paying more. Any individual that thinks otherwise, as mentioned earlier today is so horribly clueless with his head in the sand, it defies all logic and is pure ignorance of reality.
So, when I have to look sooo hard for good value and performance, due to other perceived "lazy" mongers, well it does directly affect me what others are doing. ie. in Quito, a favorite place of mine near Amazona cost 8 dollars last year, it is now 30! Why? cuz gringos have found it...
Shit, do not take my word for , Jackson said to me personally face to face he has many personal places in BA he keeps secret for this VERY REASON!
Latina Addict

Dan Barca
11-28-05, 06:48
Hi guys,

In February 2005 I wento to Bogota and met this cutie at "la picina". I paid a fine to get her out of the club and brough her over to my hotel. After a few more drinks, I took some pictures and a brief video scenes. She was horny, sweet and friendly. The girl charge me 100, 000 pesos for the night. I am thinking on going back and hang out again at that club. Can you guy tell me if I paid a fair price. Personally it was worth it.

Hi,

I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...

Would you please STOP capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports!

It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.

On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: Thank You!

Jackson

Genghis Khan
11-28-05, 07:13
First No matter our monitary differences, I greatly respect a fellow monger posting, unlike all you pussy assed lurkers.... But, the real problem here, is besides a nerve being struck, last straw, whatever, .....is that your habits and not just yours, but many others ARE raising prices. I travel all over. and it is well known EVERYWHERE that gringos for the most part, pay more, need to pay more and are not shit heads for paying more. Any individual that thinks otherwise, as mentioned earlier today is so horribly clueless with his head in the sand, it defies all logic and is pure ignorance of reality.
So, when I have to look sooo hard for good value and performance, due to other perceived "lazy" mongers, well it does directly affect me what others are doing. ie. in Quito, a favorite place of mine near Amazona cost 8 dollars last year, it is now 30! Why? cuz gringos have found it...
Shit, do not take my word for , Jackson said to me personally face to face he has many personal places in BA he keeps secret for this VERY REASON!
Latina Addict


I don't dispute the fact that gringos pay more than locals. You 100% correct on that part, but not in WE. The prices are the same for everyone in here and non negotiable. In fact the price is not even discussed with the girl at all. This is the case for gringoes and locals and this is not a place where you will find mostly foreigners - no the place is packed with locals and you will have a hard time finding anyone in the staff even speaking English.Its in this place that I like to play and I am not raising the prices anymore than the locals do here.

GK

Genghis Khan
11-28-05, 07:23
Just to get it out in the open and personally I would like an idea -

What is your budget for say 5-7 days in SP?

What on average do you spend on a provider?

From the reports I have read, I feel $1500US is plenty of play money and I shouldn't even come close to spending even $1,000 of it if everything goes as planned.

GK is clearly not after a "cheap thrill" and I respect him for that. After MoonDog and others, he is one of the last of the big spenders posting and for that I love ya man.

When you post your report on the $2000R hottie, is it too much to ask for a PG rated picture? I wanna see what $2000R buys.

I am sorry but we are talking about a celebrity who has a boyfriend. I was not allowed to take her picture - and you will not even get her name out here on the public forum. I got her phone number, so the next time I want to be with her I can make a deal with her without the Madame as a midleman. I assume she gets about half of the price. I will not screw up her trust and ruin such a possibility later by posting her pictures here. Send me a PM and I will send you a link with some of her pictures online. There are a lot of pictures of her out there on the net.

GK

Sui Generis
11-28-05, 21:20
C'mon guys! Behave yourself.....

Stop insulting each other..we're a family or at least we should be.

GK is free to go wherever he wants and, moreover, he can spend his money just the way he wants.

This forum is like a plane. They are passengers ready to spend big bucks just in order to travel first class, while the rest of us, the vulgum pecus, are very happy to travel at the regular price....and they are the stow away (paying even less in one hand, but on the other hand they can end up paying more = their life!). All these people cohabit in the same plane. (A couple of years ago the big spenders could travel faster than us, the vulgum pecus, with the Concord. Then, we could envy them..today there's is no reason to envy them)

Do we hear anybody complaining anymore about this «division of classes», to use an outdated marxist jargon? First class, tourist class or stow away are leaving and landing at the same time, aren't they? The only difference is between a glass of champagne, a can of coke and.....nothing! At the end they all travel the same distance.

The difference between HDH (High Dollar Hottie) and LDL (Low Dollar Looker) is the same. Some guys are ready to spend big bucks (sometimes excessive) money on HDH, while some others are very happy with LDL.

I am definitely in the LDL camp. I prefer to go out with R$200 GDPs. This is my limit (monetary and for ethical reason). The reason is very simple: I know that this is the price the local mongers pay. Why should I pay more. I don't want to «spoil» the market.
As a Montrealer, I know what it means. When the Canadian dollar was very very low a throng of Yankees were spending a lot of money in Montreal (according to some, the best place for hobbying in North America, with a lot of GFE escorts). The result was an increase in prices, the fatal rift between HDH and LDL.

Moreover, I cannot spend R$1000 or R$2000 in one night. With this amount of money I can go out with several girls, not only one. (On my next trip I will try "privés", just for the fun)


Another reason is the following one: I don't like to throw away my money to «pimps». There's is a reason why a girl ask R$600 and more for a session. Either they have to pay (a substantial amount of money) to work in these kinds of venues or they have to give half of their money to agencies (the R$1000 - R$2000 girls). For me, these clubs or theses agencies are like pimps.

I don't know W.E., Bahamas, Café Photo and others place like theses ones. It's not my intent here to criticize these kinds of venues. Some people like it and it's all right. It is clean, safe, and you can find people speaking English. Some people are ready to spend this amount of money (R$600 and more) and it's their right. A good point to Café Photo, for example: Every three months, the girls are tested.

On the other hand, places where you can spend big money attract habitually mobsters. I don't want to drop names here but there are famous places in Sampa which are run by the Asian Mafia (Chinese and or Japanese). One more thing, do you remember that a couple of years ago an employee of the former W was cloning credit cards? Dooooh! You are a well-informed monger or not....I consider that I am well-informed, so I prefer to stay away.)

Personally I never ask for TLN. I think it kills the mood. I always arrange (eu combino um encontro) a 1 1/2 or 2 hours session with a girl. Don't worry boys! If the mood is good she will stay longer with you without asking more money. In fact a TNL can transform itself in a TWL...read my September 2005 trip report. They are women after all, and like every women they like to be treated well...money cannot buy respect!


To sum it up, people are free to go where they want and spend their money the way they like it. We have all different stories to tell and each of them is a potential treasure of information. And in this respect GK posts deserve a good mention. Reading him is a pleasure because it helps me to discover aspects of Sampa I will never know. The world of the rich and famous.....

Valeu!

Full Throttle
11-28-05, 22:49
This forum is like a plane. They are passengers ready to spend big bucks just in order to travel first class, while the rest of us, the vulgum pecus, are very happy to travel at the regular price....

Maybe we should all have color codes next to our handle. That way, we know where we stand. For example:

GREEN ('cause money is no object): G.K. and a few others. This is for "dot.com er's" that got out at the perfect time, sold their AOL stock at $230, hide all of their money from S.O's in the Cayman Islands or something.

Average SPPD (Sao Paulo Price Per Day, including hotel, food, girls): $650+

RED: High budget, high volume people. Go to Bahamas, Cafe Photo, maybe WE, Bomboa at the very least, usually stay at nice hotels and eat at nice restaurants. Some days, known for multiple chicas, or TLN and TLD's.

SPPD: $400-$649

YELLOW: Enjoys a reasonably nice hotel, eats at good restaurants, and may
go to one of the nice clubs, but only take one girl for the minimum time.

SPPD: $280-$399

PINK: Never Mind pink.

BLUE: The budget/quantity shopper. A massage in the day, a Rua August girl at night. Priceline rooms, takes the Metro, locks the mini-bar before the girl gets there. Known to walk between Paulista and Kilt at night. Eats a lot of fast food and pizza slices.


SPPD: $160-$280

WHITE: Same as Blue, except one girl per day, usually Kilt or Cocktail.

SPPD: $120- $160

BLACK: Uses frequent flier miles or friend's buddy pass, stays in a hostel, drinks Skol in a brown bag while walking Augusta. Only speaks to girls heavier than he. Known to set a countdown timer at 10, go in the cinema and leave when the alarm sounds, regardless of stage of enjoyment or state of dress.

PURPLE: Wacks off reading the board and looking at pictures.

SPPD: $20 thanks to Jackson's new profit scheme.

SILVER: Whacks off reading the board.

SPPD: Free

What color are you?

Sui Generis
11-28-05, 23:31
Very good Full Throttle!

I passed with FLYING COLOURS the exam to be a member of the Blue Code! Ueba!!!!!

Latina Addict
11-29-05, 03:04
oh my gawd full throttle, i think i just peed my pants laughing..., funniest report to date. two thumbs and a pintho up my man!
ha ha and i thought i was funny.....

ps, this monger does not know the meaning of the word envy, and not because i am not well read either!

also, any budget minded individuals possibly interested in a beer, etc, on 3-5 dec? you know where to contact me!
latina addict

DJ FourMoney
11-29-05, 03:37
C'mon guys! Behave yourself.....

Stop insulting each other..we're a family or at least we should be.

GK is free to go wherever he wants and, moreover, he can spend his money just the way he wants.

This forum is like a plane. They are passengers ready to spend big bucks just in order to travel first class, while the rest of us, the vulgum pecus, are very happy to travel at the regular price....and they are the stow away (paying even less in one hand, but on the other hand they can end up paying more = their life!). All these people cohabit in the same plane. (A couple of years ago the big spenders could travel faster than us, the vulgum pecus, with the Concord. Then, we could envy them..today there's is no reason to envy them)

Do we hear anybody complaining anymore about this «division of classes», to use an outdated marxist jargon? First class, tourist class or stow away are leaving and landing at the same time, aren't they? The only difference is between a glass of champagne, a can of coke and.....nothing! At the end they all travel the same distance.

The difference between HDH (High Dollar Hottie) and LDL (Low Dollar Looker) is the same. Some guys are ready to spend big bucks (sometimes excessive) money on HDH, while some others are very happy with LDL.

I am definitely in the LDL camp. I prefer to go out with R$200 GDPs. This is my limit (monetary and for ethical reason). The reason is very simple: I know that this is the price the local mongers pay. Why should I pay more. I don't want to «spoil» the market.

As a Montrealer, I know what it means. When the Canadian dollar was very very low a throng of Yankees were spending a lot of money in Montreal (according to some, the best place for hobbying in North America, with a lot of GFE escorts). The result was an increase in prices, the fatal rift between HDH and LDL.

Moreover, I cannot spend R$1000 or R$2000 in one night. With this amount of money I can go out with several girls, not only one. (On my next trip I will try "privés", just for the fun)

Another reason is the following one: I don't like to throw away my money to «pimps». There's is a reason why a girl ask R$600 and more for a session. Either they have to pay (a substantial amount of money) to work in these kinds of venues or they have to give half of their money to agencies (the R$1000 - R$2000 girls). For me, these clubs or theses agencies are like pimps.

I don't know W.E., Bahamas, Café Photo and others place like theses ones. It's not my intent here to criticize these kinds of venues. Some people like it and it's all right. It is clean, safe, and you can find people speaking English. Some people are ready to spend this amount of money (R$600 and more) and it's their right. A good point to Café Photo, for example: Every three months, the girls are tested.

On the other hand, places where you can spend big money attract habitually mobsters. I don't want to drop names here but there are famous places in Sampa which are run by the Asian Mafia (Chinese and or Japanese). One more thing, do you remember that a couple of years ago an employee of the former W was cloning credit cards? Dooooh! You are a well-informed monger or not....I consider that I am well-informed, so I prefer to stay away.)

Personally I never ask for TLN. I think it kills the mood. I always arrange (eu combino um encontro) a 1 1/2 or 2 hours session with a girl. Don't worry boys! If the mood is good she will stay longer with you without asking more money. In fact a TNL can transform itself in a TWL...read my September 2005 trip report. They are women after all, and like every women they like to be treated well...money cannot buy respect!

To sum it up, people are free to go where they want and spend their money the way they like it. We have all different stories to tell and each of them is a potential treasure of information. And in this respect GK posts deserve a good mention. Reading him is a pleasure because it helps me to discover aspects of Sampa I will never know. The world of the rich and famous.....

Valeu!Excellent, great post.

And for the record, I am a color already I don't need one to define my wallet or spending habits.

Genghis Khan
11-29-05, 08:30
After some soulsearching and reading through my reports I have realised something I wasn't aware of before and which might explain
the negative reactions I have gotten lately.

I don't post the price of what I do to gloat. I do it to inform you guys (if any of you might want to visit some of the places I
have been to) of what it might cost. Reading back on my reports now I can understand that some might think I wanted to show off.

From now on I will not post any prices. Those that want to know what something cost will get answers by sending me PMs.

I want to make another point. I don't think I spend that much money playing as many of you "Cheap Charlie's" (which I don't think you are) might have gotten the impression of. I only go once or twice every year (for about two weeks) and when I go I don't fly Business Class - I fly regular "Monkey Class". I am not that particular about the hotel either. I don't stay at Emiliano, Fasano or Unique - although this is tempting and I might try it on my next trip - if they will let my girls in without charging me.

So all in all I don't think I am the biggest spender here - its just that when I go I use my money on what I like - on the girls and on food.

A days budget would be something like this:
Hotel - R$200
Lunch - R$200
Dinner - R$400
WE - R$1200
Taxi - R$120

GK

Prosal
11-29-05, 09:18
What color are you?

Red. I stay in Parthenons (but as GK I wish I could stay in Fasano or Unique), eat in good yet simple restaurants, don't overpay garotas, but seriously party.

Parthenon (room, laundry, room service, phone calls, ect) : 160 reals
Late afternoon accompanhante : 200 reals
Meals : 80 reals
Taxis : 60 reals
Entrance/drinks in various clubs + Red L bottle, ladies drinks and VIP service in Love Story : 600 reals
Garota from LS : 200 reals (LT)

SPPD : 1300 reals.

On days when I don't P4P and chase non-pros in regular spots, SPPD is around 500 reals.

Prosal
11-29-05, 12:20
The girls who brought me upstairs and tried to get me to buy them 128R tequilas were ugly. I've heard from others that a certain number of girls participate in this scam.

This is crazy. Those bitches and the waiters who participate in this scam need to be eliminated.

A Red Label bottle in Love Story, with a table on the dance floor and VIP service, costs between 250 (for regular customers) and 350 reals, and Tequila shots or Smirnoff Ices 25 reals.

I'm a regular in LS since long and I've never experienced or even heard about this 128 reals Tequila shots scam.


Cheers

Full Throttle
11-29-05, 14:43
I made the color post in 12 - 15 minutes. I know this, because it made me late to an appointment. Anyway, the color scheme not descriptive enough. So, the conversion:

GREEN = Saudi Prince Club
RED = Grey Poupon Club
YELLOW = Union Boss Club
BLUE = The Frat Kid Club
WHITE = One Big Bang Club
BLACK = Bankrupt Airline Employee Club
PURPLE: = Jackson's Retirement Club
SILVER = Top Ramen Club

GK:

If you stopped posting prices, you would do a HUGE disservice to readers of this board. I'm begging all of you mustard-eating union bosses with harems, PLEASE continue to post prices.

If I were to read a post about a great experience that caused me to try for myself, and then I found the cost was double my budget, I would cry. If I were to bring a friend or a colleague to such a place, I would be shot. Worse, I'd be stuck with the bill.

IMHO, if a Saudi Prince were to go into Bomboa or Kilt and pay $600 for a girl, that would be bad. It would reenergize the girls into thinking they should try to gouge gringos. If you frequent the WE's of the world, it should not be our concern. From a philosophical sense, others (me) might find it crazy to spend $600R in a $200R world, but so what?

Anybody in Rio on Friday or Saturday? If so, I'll buy the first Skol.

FT

Tiradentes
11-29-05, 19:19
I just came back from a trip to Sao Paulo. Here is a list of prices I paid per day:

Hotel: R 110
Food: R 80
Taxi: R 100 (not including airport to paulista fare)
Girls: R 250 (france bel)
R 270 (ele e ela terma)

That's a total of R 810, per day.

According to your color scheme, I am green (which NO WAY i am)

As you can see, I stayed in a cheap hotel, ate at simple restaurants, and did not frequent the high class places (photo, bahamas, we).

R 800 is the absolute minimum that you need to qualify for an average monger status.

Nickster53
11-30-05, 05:52
I just got back from 7 days in Sao Paulo and one of the best times that I have had in this city. I am convinced after being in some of the world’s best mongering cities in the past year that this city has the best women and settings that I have seen. I also had an opportunity to meet Ghengis Khan and we had a great time in Sao Paulo.

I started my trip in Buenos Aires, which I had very high expectations. I was to meet a wonderful girl that I had seen many times and we were going for a romantic weekend in Buzios. We had been planning this beach trip for about 4 months; I sent her money for an airplane ticket and we were set to go. I checked and she had purchased a ticket and we were good to go…I thought. When I arrived in Buenos Aires in Tuesday, I called her and no answer. I tried e-mailing, calling again…and again and finally gave up. I was holding out hope that I might see her on the plane on Friday, but it wasn’t to be. I called my friend Vatel69 and told him I was coming to SP a few days early and that I was really pissed and frustrated.

So, I arrived from Buenos Aires via Rio (Not the best way to SP from BA but I was going to the beach with a babe remember) at Congonhas airport on Friday evening, it was raining in Sao Paulo but finally made it to my hotel, the Melia Comfort in Higienópolis. This hotel was recommended by Vatel69 and was a great location, about a two block walk to Shopping Higienópolis which is a wonderful place to view some of Sao Paulo’s best specimens. Rooms were around 170R, very comfortable. The only draw back was that the service was really bad.

My good friend Vatel69 was able to line me up with Fernanda to make me forget my beach trip (http://www.gpsex.com.br/modelo_detalhes.php?id=718). Fernanda is a great person and she is an animal in bed, probably one of the most active in bet that I have ever been with. She has a great attitude and she really gets into it. I think she really likes sex. She speaks a little English and is really fun to be with. We started off with some very passionate kissing and then everything else. I was really spent after the first round and fell asleep. She snuggled next to me and also went to sleep. I sort of moved and moved closer to her some time in the middle of the night. She responded by rolling on top of me for another round, she is an animal in bed. After a wild night we had breakfast and another round, this time slower and longer. Fernanda is a great girl and I would really recommend her. I will see her again the next time (January) that I am in SP. I paid her 350R for the night and is was well worth it. All told she spent about 16 hours with me but remember YMMV. I will report on day 2 in my next report. Funny, I wasn’t thinking about the beach babe any more.

California Guy
11-30-05, 06:20
I have been reading these Brazilian boards the past month trying to figure out a trip I am planning but now I am totally confused with these prices below. I thought $200 US per day would be fine for a decent hotel/food, taxi service, and maybe a girl for the night. Is this due to the fact SP is a larger city or should I expect to average 300+ US any place I go? I read below where some guy is paying an average of 1000 US per day and I don't understand why? Damn now I have to re-think my travel plans :(

RexG
11-30-05, 06:53
After some soulsearching and reading through my reports I have realised something I wasn't aware of before and which might explain
the negative reactions I have gotten lately.

GKGK,

Please keep posting your great reports complete with prices. They are the among the finest, most informative posts on this board. We get plenty of "gringoes do your duty" (with respect to prices) posts, and I believe that argument is well understood by readers of this forum.

The high-end market is not so often reported, so it's very refreshing to hear about your mid & high-end adventures (both food and ladies). Please keep your reports coming.

Rex

DJ FourMoney
11-30-05, 09:13
I have been reading these Brazilian boards the past month trying to figure out a trip I am planning but now I am totally confused with these prices below. I thought $200 US per day would be fine for a decent hotel/food, taxi service, and maybe a girl for the night. Is this due to the fact SP is a larger city or should I expect to average 300+ US any place I go? I read below where some guy is paying an average of 1000 US per day and I don't understand why? Damn now I have to re-think my travel plans :(According to Pro he spends about $1300R a day ($593US)

He said $500R when not doing p4p a day ($228US)

That's using up to the minute exchange rates.

If I read it correctly, that breaks down to (2) Garotas, including overnight per day. All from 1st tier clubs/bars

I think I'll be spending somewhere between $300-500US per day, 3 Chicas per day, mostly fast food or room service, maybe one or two dinners out, Sampa Guide for an undetermined amount of time, a clinica or private daily is apart of that plan.

Kinda like this -

Clinica in the morning, Internet chica in Afternoon, maybe dinner, Hit up Sampa Guide, do the rounds, do some non-pro clubing, come back to Love Story, find a chica for TLN and repeat. At least that's what I hope, I'll prolly get my time monoplized by some chica anyway.

I should be worn out.

Starfe
11-30-05, 10:17
2.186500 : This always helps a bit but you can do your trip for $250 easy and add in a mugging for free.

Have fun and could you pick me up a painting and I will pay you when get back to the States?


Thanks in advance,

Starfe

Cachorro
11-30-05, 11:06
I have been reading these Brazilian boards the past month trying to figure out a trip I am planning but now I am totally confused with these prices below. I thought $200 US per day would be fine for a decent hotel/food, taxi service, and maybe a girl for the night. Is this due to the fact SP is a larger city or should I expect to average 300+ US any place I go? I read below where some guy is paying an average of 1000 US per day and I don't understand why? Damn now I have to re-think my travel plans :(
Hey, don't sweat it. A basic Brazilian job pays about R$300 per MONTH which is less than US$200. The price for basic items in Brazil is very cheap. But they are exactly that, basic.

GK is hitting the most expensive restaurants and *****houses. The sky is the limit if you want to spend it.

If not, you can eat very well for R$20 in Sampa, find a very decent and clean place to stay for R$100 or a bit more, get a hot girl in a clinica for R$100 per hour. No doubt you could hook up an all-nighter for R$200 or less.

You could do it for much less than this, but most people don't want to be bothered with that on vacation.

Once you get out of Sao Paulo, these prices go down quickly.

GK is at the very pricey end of the spectrum. He is blazing some new trails for us with the VIP models catalogue, which is great. I will probably never spend R$2000 on one night with a girl, but it's interesting for me to read.

Comgo
11-30-05, 18:10
I just came back from a trip to Sao Paulo. Here is a list of prices I paid per day:

Hotel: R 110
Food: R 80
Taxi: R 100 (not including airport to paulista fare)
Girls: R 250 (france bel)
R 270 (ele e ela terma)

That's a total of R 810, per day.

According to your color scheme, I am green (which NO WAY i am)

As you can see, I stayed in a cheap hotel, ate at simple restaurants, and did not frequent the high class places (photo, bahamas, we).

R 800 is the absolute minimum that you need to qualify for an average monger status.

According to his color scheme, you'd be yellow. His prices are in US dollars not Reais.

Sperto
11-30-05, 19:21
São Paulo, daily expenses.

Hotel: R$ 33
Food: R$ 40
Taxi: R$ 30
Girl 1, Rua Augusta, Club-girl: R$ 40
Girl 2, Rua Augusta, Club-girl: R$ 40
TOTAL: R$ 183 = US$ 83

Full Throttle,
Hmmm... this would mean that I "stay in a hostel, drinks Skol in a brown bag while walking Augusta. Only speaks to girls heavier than he...". Wrong on all three, but I do like Skol. : )

Vatel69
12-01-05, 03:14
My good friend Vatel69 was able to line me up with Fernanda to make me forget my beach trip (http://www.gpsex.com.br/modelo_detalhes.php?id=718). Fernanda is a great person and she is an animal in bed, probably one of the most active in bet that I have ever been with. She has a great attitude and she really gets into it. I think she really likes sex.
Dp you think?
I thought you were pretty sure about it.
LOL

California Guy
12-01-05, 05:21
I mean I will spend more money if I need to but I had originally planned the $200 per day figure off the top of my head and it is an average amount, planning at least an 11 day trip. I don't mind spending an extra $50-100 one day because I think I will try some of the non-pro clubs as well since I look like Brad Pitt, LOL, just kidding. No really I am just not a wealthy person but I can save up some money. I love Brazilian women and the people have always seemed very fun to be around, many friends here where I live in Cali. Sperto definitely sounds like a guy I would like to hang out with though, fun and inexpensive which can be the best times in my opinion.

SobeLizard
12-01-05, 20:34
Does anyone know how we can get in contract with the madame that has pictures of those 2000 real babe's?

I am interested in giving it a spin.

Thanks,

Sobelizard

SobeLizard
12-01-05, 20:38
Is anyone planning to visit Sao Paulo during x-mas?

Prosal
12-02-05, 12:41
According to Pro he spends about $1300R a day ($593US)
He said $500R when not doing p4p a day ($228US).

Unfortunatly with the very BAD exchange rates, Brasil has becomed a pricey destination out of my plans for the moment. I'm thinking about Argentina or Colombia for the next trip.

Anyway.

Curiously Litoral Norte has never been reported here. For you guys who will be in Sao Paulo during Dec/Jan/Feb, I strongly recommand a side-trip there, specially in Maresias and Camburi, where the middle/upper class Paulistas spend their weekends and vacations ; there's TONS of girls, many 'beautiful people', and a GREAT party atmosphere. The beaches, with the 'Mata Atlantica' just behind, are IMO among the most beautiful in Brasil (think Copacabana without buildings and favelas).

This part of the SP littoral, highly popular and trendy among Paulistas, is almost unknown by gringos.

Cheers

Genghis Khan
12-03-05, 14:38
To everyone contacting me about the Madame service, I would suggest you contact Vatel69 on this board about it. He made the arragements for me and the Madame only works through referals from people she trusts (that is the reason why I will not post her name or number here). Vatel69 has got other similar Madame contacts as well.

GK

Genghis Khan
12-03-05, 17:32
Again I was awaken by the phone at around 10 - and again it was the Madame. "Hello darling, I hope you have enjoyed looking through my girls. Have you found anyone you like"? "Well, there are so many pictures - that I will need one more day. Vatel69 will call you tomorrow instead of today. I am quite sure I will take at least one of your girls if we can agree on a price". "No problem baby, I am sure we will come to an agreement. Bye the way - do you have Vatel69s phone number? I don't have it". I gave her his phone number and she hung up. I went back to sleep because my stomach was still upset. I was really exited about this evening. My mind was set for WE and I hadn't been there since May.

When I get out of bed at around 11 I called Vatel69 and told him about my conversation with the Madame. He told me he had arranged for a laptop which I could use at his apartement after lunch. I could use it undisturbed while he worked.

The lunch today was at the Italian restaurant Pomodori http://www.pomodori.com.br. I visited this restaurant on my previous trip to Sao Paulo also and liked the food so much, I decided to go back on this trip. The interior is kind of like a bistro and the food is contemporary Italian. I had foie gras and ravioli filled with crayfish as a starter and rabbit with vegtables and truffled potato puree as main course. Along with two bottles of San Pellegrino water the bill was R$189. This place serves some of Sao Paulos best Italian food with a french twist.

After lunch I took a taxi back to Vatel69s apartement where he had made the laptop ready for me. I spent about three or four hours looking through the CD. I raised the bar for who I put on my shortlist considerably since yesterday and ended up with a shortlist of 6 names. When I was ready, Vatel69 immediatley called the Madame and gave her the names on my shortlist. A couple of the girls were out of the country at the moment but we got prices for the rest of the girls. Two of the girls were R$3000 and the rest was R$2000. The price was for the night from about 7 until morning - the exact time in the morning was something she wanted to leave up to me and the girl. I specified that a requirement for me was BBBJ and she said it wouldn't be a problem. We promised to call the next day with our final choice and time.

I was a bit tired so after having gong through the CD and called the Madame, I took a taxi back to my hotel. I was longing for an hours sleep before Vatel69 and I were supposed to go out to dinner together. He wanted to show me a Japanese restaurante he recommended.

After having slept for about an hour, showered and shaved, I called Vatel69 and told him I was ready. He answered that he would take a taxi to my hotel in about half an hour. He picked me up at the hotel half an hour later and we went to a Japanese restaurant in Liberdade. I don't remember the name of this restaurant, but I am sure Vatel69 does if anybody is interested. We told the chef to serve us sashimi and sushi of his recommendation for the day. We had a great meal and two bottles of sake. The bill was about R$250 total for the both of us - good value for the money.

This day was Halloween and Vatel69 had called Edson (one of the owners of WE) and he had told Vatel69 that today would be a Halloween-party inside WE where the girls would wear Halloween costumes. When we arrived - it was obvious that Vatel69 knew the staff very well. Vatel69 had called Edson earlier during the week and told them that he would bring a friend from Europe (me) to the club - now he introduced us. I had met Washington and Edson several times before and they recognized me and greeted me welcome back with a handshake. It was already crowded and all the tables downstairs were occupied, so we were shown to a table upstairs. A lively girl with curly blonde hair immediately latched on to me. She followed us upstairs, sat down at our table beside me and introduced herself as Juliana. I hadn't invited her to sit at our table, so it kind of caught me by surprised that she did this as it is not the normal way of doing it inside WE. It turned out that several other tings were not normal this evening. Vatel69 and I ordered a bottle of Red Label, and in order to try to shake her off me, I asked Juliana where the bathroom was (even though I knew quite well) to have an excuse to look around the place to see what other girls were present and not look busy with Juliana. What she did was sort of surprising too - she showed me to the bathroom, went inside with me and waited inside while I finished my business. When I had finished, she pulled down her skirt (no panties), showed me her butt and asked me if I liked her tan line. I just smiled and shook my head in disbelief. When we got back up to our table Vatel69 was talking to another girl who had sat down at our table beside him. I tried to tell Juliana that I was looking for someone else, but with her limited English she didn't understand me. In the end I had to ask Vatel69 for help. He told me to walk around the the place for a few minutes and he would take care of it. So I did. While walking around the place, I bumped into Andrea - a girl I reported on back in May. She said that it was nice to see me again and that if I needed her she would sit by the bar downstairs - then she gave me a full kiss on the lips. This is not normal inside WE either. The girls seemed much more aggressive than normal that day. When I got back upstairs, Vatel69 had told Juliana to give me some space and she had left. I asked Vatel69 if he could ask Lu (the girls manager at WE) if Najla (probably the best GFE I have ever had) would be present today. Lu is the person dressed in a suite looking like a very young boy. She is in fact a woman and works as the girl’s manager. Vatel69 called her over to the table and asked her. Lu told him that she would call Najla and let us know. A couple of minutes later she returned and told us that Najla would be coming later in the evening. I hadn't seen anyone that I really had to have this evening and the Halloween costumes kind of hid the girls attributes (not a good idea in my mind), so I decided to wait for Najla rather than calling any of the other girls over to our table.

Time went by and no sign of Najla. The available girls sitting on the upper floor got kind of restless seeing me sitting alone and not calling anybody over, so they started coming over to my table sitting down and introducing themselves without me calling for them. This is not normal practice at WE and as I have written before - a turnoff for me. Most of them didn't speak any English, so it was sort of hard for me to get rid of them in a gentlemanly fashion. In the end Vatel69 had to tell them to give me space like he did with Juliana while I was either in the bathroom or looking around the place. I think this must have happened at least 5 or 6 times.

After about two or three hours, Lu came over to our table and told us that Najla had called and told that she wouldn't be able to come tonight anyway. Now I had to start seriously considering other girls. I noticed a petite blonde sitting behind Vatel69s back by the bar on the upper floor. I tried to get eye contact with her several times but was not successful as she was in an energetic conversation with another girl beside her. Vatel69 noticed my attention towards her and went over to her and invited her to our table, but she didn't want to join us. Vatel69 had made his choice for the night and wanted to help me find someone before we left so he walked around the club for a few minutes trying to find someone he thought suited my taste. He returned after a few minutes and asked me to follow him. He led me to a tall morena with a face bearing some similarities with Angelina Jolie I thought (not the same full lips and not the same distinct chin) and introduced her to me as Luana. She didn't speak any English but she was probably the best looking girl present tonight. So we brought her over to our table. I had a really hard time trying to communicate with her and she seemed more occupied trying to get Vatel69s attention from his girl than trying to understand me. So after about half an hour without getting a good feeling about this girl, I told Vatel69 that I didn't think she liked me. I told him I would take another look around to see if any new interesting girls had shown up. No new girls were to be seen and Andrea was busy downstairs with another customer too. I went back upstairs and Luana was still sitting at our table. When I sat down she started feeling me up (as I have written before - not a good idea to do with me) and I noticed that she did the same thing with Vatel69. Her attention was on Vatel69 all the time. I turned to her and told her - "You don't like me much - do you?" All I got back was a non understanding expression on her face. I told Vatel69 to repeat the question to her in Portuguese. He did and she answered something back to him which he translated back to me as - "Yes, she says she likes you".

As I saw it, I had two possibilities - either cut my cost and go home alone or take my chances with Luana. I chose Luana and told Vatel69 that I was ready to leave with her. The four of us went downstairs and Vatel69 told me to let him negotiate the bill for us since he knew the staff and could probably get the price down. The bill presented to us turned out to be R$1944 which wasn't bad for a girl each all night, one bottle of red label and several cans of red bull. Normally it would have been around R$2500.

The taxi drove Vatel69 and his girl to his apartment and then Luana and me to my hotel. Inside the elevator Luana started kissing me and it seemed to me that everything was fine. Inside the room she was obviously very hungry because the first thing she did was call for a meal from room service and then grabbed a snack from my minibar. Then she literally jumped me and tore my clothes off. We had very passionate sex for about five - ten - minutes (I don't remember exactly) including BBBJ and then we got interrupted by a knock on the door. It was room service. I got up, signed for the bill and got back into bed. She wanted to eat now and took the meal into bed. I tried to talk a bit to her while she ate, but it was very difficult. After she had finished she wanted to sleep. I hoped it would be just for a little time, so I reluctantly turned off the light and let her sleep for a while. After I thought she had slept for less than five minutes, she turned the lights back on and told me she wanted to go home. I couldn't believe it. This kind of bad experience had never happened to me from WE before so I became quit angry and started yelling at her. She obviously didn't understand a word I was saying and left the room.

I decided to make a complaint to Edson about her the next day.

GK

Starfe
12-03-05, 19:41
This is getting interesting.

I have no idea what I would do in the same situation after laying out all that cash and TIME ( sometimes more precious then cash )

Looking forward to WE's response. It will say a lot regarding if I ever use them again.

Starfe

Genghis Khan
12-03-05, 20:16
Day 5 will not give many answers - probably more questions. At least that is what it did for me. Maybe you guys have the insight to understand more. In the end I decided that this was a one time bad experience - my first at WE and let it pass. Day 5 turned out great, which will be revealed shortly when I post it.

GK

DJ FourMoney
12-03-05, 20:54
Unfortunatly with the very BAD exchange rates, Brasil has becomed a pricey destination out of my plans for the moment. I'm thinking about Argentina or Colombia for the next trip.

Anyway for you guys who will be in Sao Paulo during Dec/Jan/Feb, I strongly recommand a side-trip to the Litoral Norte, specially in Maresias and Camburi, where the middle/upper class Paulistas spend their weekends and vacations ; there's TONS of girls, many 'beautiful people', and a GREAT party atmosphere. The beaches, with the 'Mata Atlantica' just behind, are IMO among the most beautiful in Brasil (think Copacabana without buildings and favelas).

Curiously this part of the SP littoral, highly popular and trendy among Paulistas, is almost unknown by gringos.

Cheers

The exchange rate goes up and down all the time, but I guess it will improve in our favor here pretty soon, from what I have been reading.

Honestly that's still affordable depending on how you want to go about it and you can still have a great time between the two numbers, I think.

DJ FourMoney
12-03-05, 21:19
Day 5 will not give many answers - probably more questions. At least that is what it did for me. Maybe you guys have the insight to understand more. In the end I decided that this was a one time bad experience - my first at WE and let it pass. Day 5 turned out great, which will be revealed shortly when I post it.

GK

Maybe you should have went with Juliana?

Rules are meant to be broken and while she was aggressive, she did show interest and the ability to communicate. The things you value in your provider, just makes sense to me. I doubt she would have wanted left early, raided your snack bar and ordered room service.

Sorry it turned out badly....

Genghis Khan
12-03-05, 22:12
You are probably right.

GK


Maybe you should have went with Juliana?

Rules are meant to be broken and while she was aggressive, she did show interest and the ability to communicate. The things you value in your provider, just makes sense to me. I doubt she would have wanted left early, raided your snack bar and ordered room service.

Sorry it turned out badly....

Carlos Primeros
12-04-05, 07:03
I was looking at the figures you mentioned in disbelief - 2500 - 3000 Reais por TLN???
If I want to drink a cup of milk, I do not buy the cow!!!
The going price for TLN in other parts of Brazil is 150 - 250 Reais (not USD) I honestly think that you had been set-up.
No girl can be that good to justify to pay 10 times more for her services.

That is unreal.

These are my 2 centavos

Carlos

Genghis Khan
12-04-05, 07:41
I was looking at the figures you mentioned in disbelief - 2500 - 3000 Reais por TLN???
If I want to drink a cup of milk, I do not buy the cow!!!
The going price for TLN in other parts of Brazil is 150 - 250 Reais (not USD) I honestly think that you had been set-up.
No girl can be that good to justify to pay 10 times more for her services.

That is unreal.

These are my 2 centavos

Carlos

Carlos,

If you are talking about the Madame service, I disagree. If you are talking about the prices I mentioned from WE, you must have misunderstood somethiing as the normal price of R$2500 I mentioned was for two guys taking two girls for the night including a bottle of whisky and some cans of Red Bull.

GK

Genghis Khan
12-04-05, 16:13
When Luana didn't understand what I was yelling to her, I grabbed the phone and called Vatel69. I told him what had just happened. He told me that the girl he had brought home turned bad on him too. She wouldn't even allow him to penetrate her. So he had taken her back to WE and gotten another girl from Edson. She was with him now. He told me to call him in the morning and we would make a call to Edson then because WE was closed now. While I was on the phone Luana tried to make a call from the other phone in my hotel room. Before I had hung up with Vatel69, she had left the room. When she had left I noticed a note she had left by the phone. It was a phone number. Vatel69s phone number. I thought that was kind of strange but decided to sleep off the alcohol and have a straight head when deciding what to do about this.

One thing you have to keep in mind when reading this is that the total bill for Vatel69 and me last night was only R$1944 and the normal rate would have been around R$2500. Could there have been some misunderstandings about all night? R$800 for both of us (which is 2-3 hours take out) would make the bill about normal. If Luana thought I came, which was her argument to Edson (I didn't though) and we had actually only paid for 2-3 hours, this might not be entirely Luanas fault. Since she didn't speak any English she would not be able to tell me. Another factor into this was that Vatel69 had a bad experience too. Two bad experiences paid on the same bill on the same night. That could prove too unlikely for Edson to believe. Since Vatel69 had already gotten his bad experience compensated, it would probably be more difficult for me to convince Edson to compensate me too.

When I woke up at around 10, I called Vatel69 again and he asked me to confirm my story again. I did. I asked him if Luana had called him because she left his phone number. He told me that she had not called him and he didn't know how she had gotten hold of his phone number. He told me to come over to his apartment in about an hour and we would discuss the matter. I showered and took a taxi to his apartment. When I got there, his girl was still there. She left soon after I arrived though. Vatel69 also told me that he had received a call on his cell phone while we were inside WE yesterday - from a girl inside WE. She had apparently been sitting right behind our backs the whole evening without me noticing. Vatel69 wanted to know if I would like to meet her for lunch today because he thought she might like that. I answered - "Sure why not. A meeting is harmless unless there is some sort pressure or expectation from her side that I will agree to a date with her." Vatel69 assured me there would be no pressure. After a while he tried to call Edson at WE to make the complaint but couldn't get through to him. About half an hour later he finally got through to Edson, but the connection was broken while Vatel69 was in the middle of his explanation of what had happened last night. I told him that he shouldn't do this on the phone. I suggested we go to WE this night too and make the complaint. If Edson would let me have a girl for free as compensation tonight I would be fine, otherwise we should tell him that I wasn't going to return to WE again. Vatel69 agreed to this.

Vatel69 then asked what to do about the Madame as she had already called this morning in order to find out about our decision - and she had sounded a bit impatient. I told him that I had already made up my mind. I wanted a girl I had seen on the internet a long time ago. I will call her Miss F in my reports. When I saw she was available through the Madame, there really was no competition since I have had the hots for her since I first saw her pictures on the net a couple of years ago. Vatel69 immediately called the Madame and informed her of my choice. She wanted to know what day I wanted Miss F and I answered Friday. Today was Tuesday. I wanted Vatel69 to stress the importance of the BBBJ, which he did and she promised to confirm this when she had spoken to Miss F about the time of our date.

The Japanese meal from yesterday had upset my stomach again, so lunch was off the charts today too. I thought this was kind of strange since I had never reacted badly to any food in Sao Paulo during my previous trips.

Around 3 Vatel69 and I took a taxi over to Shopping Higienopolis where we were supposed to meet Aline - the girl who called Vatel69 inside WE yesterday. She was waiting for us when we arrived at the German bar on the upper floor in the mall. She was a nice looking morena but wore big sunglasses - hiding most of her face. Her body seemed tight, proportional and curvy at all the right places. I was getting very hungry and in need of a drink to get the slight hangover out of my head. So while Vatel69 and Ailine ordered a beer each, I ordered some finger food and a Caipirinha - which turned into three Caipirnihas with in a very short time. Ailine wanted to know what I thought about her. She didn't speak much English - so Vatel69 did the translation. I told him I was intrigued and liked her sexy smile, but would prefer if she took her sunglasses off. She did and revealed a pair of dark brown eyes. She looked great and had a dark and very sexy voice. I asked her how much she wanted for an all nighter including BBBJ and she answered R$500 which Vatel69 negotiated down to R$400. She also told us that she had many semi-professional friends that she could put us in contact with if we were interested. It was more the Caipirinhas talking than me when I asked her how her friends looked. She answered that they all looked better than her. I asked her how much her friends would be for an all nighter and if any of them might be interested in some lesbian action. She told us that she had several friends that might be perfect and she loved girls too - she said. It all ended with me agreeing to take her and her choice of girl for R$400 each for the night the next night. It was the first time I have ever agreed to take someone I hadn't at least seen on picture. Ailine was definetly hot though and there would be lesbian play among the girls as well. I was excited about how this might turn out. After Ailine had left us I agreed with Vatel69 that I would walk back to my hotel and take a nap before we would meet up and go to WE later.

Around 8, after I had showered and taken a taxi to pick up Vatel69 at his apartment, we were on our way to WE. Vatel69 told me that the Madame had called and everything was set with Miss F - even the BBBJ. On our way to WE we passed the neighbourhood the Madame had told Vatel69 she had her office, so he called her from the taxi and asked her if it as a good time for us to visit her. She answered that we were welcome and repeated the address to Vatel69. The taxi stopped at an office building in a neighbourhood I didn't know. Vatel69 rang the bell and the door buzzed open. We took the elevator up to the floor where she had her office and went down the hall to a rather anonymous office where the door was left open for us to come in. We entered and were greeted by two women. One was a young girl in her teens or early twenties (the Madame’s assistant) and a woman in her late forties or early fifties. The older woman came over to me and said "Hello darling and kissed me on both cheeks." It was obviously the Madame I had been talking to on the phone. Her office was a studio and was she was an artist. The madame service was just a side business for her. On a computer screen inside her office a computer was showing an advertisement for something with several naked girls on it. Vatel69 seemed interested about it and asked the Madame something in Portuguese. She replied to him that it was a party to celebrate an anniversary for her service. Several of her girls would be present and we were invited if we wanted to join. The party was the next night though. Vatel69 was occupied with work and I had already set up the date with Ailine and her friend, so we would probably be busy. She showed me some of her work which I thought was quite good and told me that she had spoken to Miss F and everything was set. Miss F would show up at my hotel around 7 and the other details I had specified was no problem to Miss F. She asked me if I had dates for the rest of my nights in Sao Paulo and I answered that I didn't. I would look through her book and do a second consideration if Miss F lived up to my expectations. Then we were on our way to WE.

When we entered it was obvious that we were a bit early because not many customers were present yet and Edson and Washington was not in at the moment either, so Vatel69 could not make the complaint on my behalf until they arrived. What we did (and this might have proved a bit unwise) was to tell the staff what happened and also some of the other regular guests present which Vatel69 knew. We sat down at a table on the first floor and got our bottle of red label from last night. Since I hadn't eaten anything but the finger food from the German bar at the shopping mall today, I asked for the menu and ordered some bolinhos de bacalhau and some bolinhos de queijo. After about five minutes I noticed a stunning morena sitting at the table behind my back with a couple of other customers. I told Vatel69 that I really like her looks. She wore tight white pants and a low cut, pink top which showed off her big natural breasts and tanned tight stomach. I couldn't take my eyes off her when she left the other guests and went over to the bar. Vatel69 tried to say something to me but I didn't even notice. He laughed at this and asked one of the waiters to bring her over to our table. After a short while she came over, kissed both me and vatel69 on both cheeks and introduced herself as Fernanda. She didn't speak a word of English (not a single word - not even yes and no) so this was going to be hard, but I wasn't ready to let this diamond slip through my fingers without at least giving it a try. Vatel69 could of course translate for us while we were inside WE, but once at the hotel we would be on our own anyway, so there was no point in postponing the fact that we had to learn how to communicate with each other. In the end Vatel69 came up with the idea that kind of solved the problem. We got paper and pen and started drawing simple pictures of what we tried to say to each other. It worked fine and the humorous side of it all broke the ice between us. They chemistry with Fernanda was definitely right. I had a couple of dictionaries at the hotel which we could use when Vatel69 wasn't around to translate what we couldn't figure out from the drawings.

After a while Vatel69 found a girl he wanted too, but our table was too small for four people so we moved to a bigger table upstairs. Vatel69s choice was a blonde called M. The two girls didn't want much to drink but Vatel69 and I emptied the bottle of red label we had bought yesterday and ordered another one. I had great fun this night and Fernanda made up for everything Luna turned out not to be. When we were ready to ask for the bill, I remained Vatel69 about what had happened yesterday and wanted him to address it now. He went downstairs and was gone for about fifteen minutes. When he got back he asked M if they could go somewhere to talk in private. When they returned Vatel69 told me what had happened. He said that both Washington and Edson had called Luana. Luana had claimed I had come. Vatel69 told me that since he had gotten a new girl for his bad experience, Washington and Edson decided to believe the girls version this time. They would however give me a 50% discount on a girl today if I chose a girl for R$600. That would mean however that they didn't want to see us in WE again - he said. Then he told me that M had told him that she would split her cost of R$600 with Vatel69 and pay R$300 out of her own pocket to spend the night with him. Vatel69 wanted to loan the rest of the money for her from me because he didn't have enough with him. M handed me R$300 and told me that since we would get only one bill for the entire table, I should have the R$300 from her. She liked Vatel69 so much, she said, that she didn't mind sharing the bill with him. What got me upset was that when I had handed the waiter my credit card and Ms R$300, M got upset, took the R$300 from he waiter and claimed this wasn't right as the R$300 was a gift for her. Then I backed out too and took my credit card back and told Vatel69 that I didn't want any part of this. He had to take care of his part of the bill himself. I told the waiter I would only pay for drinks, food and for Fernanda, but I wasn't going to pay for M. When they came back with my part of the bill it was R$1455. I was tired of the whole argument now and just wanted to take Fernanda back to the hotel. At the same time I was really in two minds at this point about who to trust. So I decided to sign the bill and get out. So we all headed downstairs and left.

On our way out Edson hurried after me and thanked me. Then he said something to Fernanda about my problems last night - and it seemed to me that he wanted to make sure the she knew she had to give me a good time. When we got out to the street they had arranged a taxi for us, but Vatel69 and M wasn't following us. After a short while M came too and Vatel69 followed shortly. When the taxi was half way to my hotel, Edson called Vatel69 and told us that we hadn't paid the whole bill. Vatel69 told me what Edson had said. Fernanda was R$1000 for the night (apparently Vatel69 couldn't get her price down and he didn't know this as he always got R$600 for all nighters) and the remaining R$455 on the bill was for food and drinks. We hadn't paid for M. Vatel69 thought that I had loaned him the money and signed for it on the bill - he said. So we had to reluctantly turn the taxi around and go back to WE. When we got back to WE, Fernanda tried to stop me from going back inside, but I did it anyway and met Washington just inside the door. He motioned for me that everything was all right by raising his thumb to me and saying "Okay"! Edson came too and in a friendly way padded my back and followed me outside. There he pulled Vatel69 aside and had a talk with him. I couldn't see any money exchange between them but Vatel69 got away by saying he would pay M in the morning. I didn't remember this but Vatel69 had given me some cash earlier in the evening that I was supposed to use on M and he thought I had loaned him the rest.

At this point I was just not ready to have a possibly wonderful night with Fernanda spoiled by starting any arguments, so we took the taxi back to the hotel.

Inside the hotel Fernanda tried to get me to explain what had happened but I just told her not to worry. It had nothing to do with her. Fernanda turned out to be great. Sex was sweet and more like sex with a long time girlfriend than with a working girl and at one point she came hard. Her legs, stomach and butt vibrated violently and she was so sensitive that we had to take a break. She also had the best control of her vaginal muscles that I have ever experienced. BBBJ was great too. The only thing a little negative was that she only wanted to do missionary or her on top. She didn't like doggy style. I didn't care though as her muscle control during missionary was great. We fell asleep and she snuggled up next to me while we slept. She woke me up again the next morning at around 8 when she had to leave.

I would like to add that both Vatel69 and I were a bit drunk when this happend and that might have clouded my judgement and memory of what happend this night.

GK

Sal Dali
12-04-05, 17:27
Genghis Khan,

I know that we've never met & that I may be way off base here . . . but is is possible that you may be misreading your environment as a consequent of the alcohol, complicated by misplaced trust? (I really want to apologize if this seems accusatory; it's not intended that way.) It's just that the way you describe the situation, it sounds like you're getting set up.

Just a thought.

SD

Genghis Khan
12-04-05, 20:01
Genghis Khan,

I know that we've never met & that I may be way off base here . . . but is is possible that you may be misreading your environment as a consequent of the alcohol, complicated by misplaced trust? (I really want to apologize if this seems accusatory; it's not intended that way.) It's just that the way you describe the situation, it sounds like you're getting set up.

Just a thought.

SD

I am not as naive as the report might sound like. Otherwise I have no comment on a public forum.

GK

Sal Dali
12-04-05, 22:20
I was hoping that you would not be offended by my comment. I really wasn't intending to suggest naivete. Still, when I've had a couple of drinks in brazil, my cognitive skills are often inversely proportional to my erection. :)

SD


I am not as naive as the report might sound like. Otherwise I have no comment on a public forum.

GK

Aurab
12-04-05, 23:49
Still, when I've had a couple of drinks in brazil, my cognitive skills are often inversely proportional to my erection. :)

SDSal Dali,

I had a good laugh at that expression. My feeling is very similar to yours. After few drinks all chicas look so good! So guys take it easy on drinks until you make your chica selection.

Aurab64

Dan D Dick
12-05-05, 13:55
sunday in sp. being the cheap bastard i am i decided to try something different [for me]. i walked the rua augusta from the renaissance at alameda santos to about the 300 block - just before big ben (closed sundays).

outbound about 9pm, a handful of obvious sws mixed with the fairly large crowds. lots of homeless sleeping on the steps. down about the 600-700 block several of the sauna mistas & american bars seemed to be in full swing. at least the touts were. some of the sws were gorgeous. there was one that i'm not entirely convinced of the true gender of & there was one oh-my-god one. i'm not entirely convinced he even bothered to shave his legs.

made my u-turn and decided to try a sauna mista for the first time. i went in the one immediately to the left & downstairs of the large marquee with "american bar" prominantly lit up. i think that one is casino's or caserios's or something similar.

i know zero portugese and those folks know just about the same amount of english. inside, downstairs into a sweltering den with one small corner stage & a pole. i sit at the bar, order a bohemia (skol not available). a young girl comes over but i'm not interested. i'm too hot & she's too flat. the bartender points to a fan on the wall. i turn it on & within minutes the breeze & beer start doing their work.

a second girl wanders over. she appeals to me for two reasons - she's 30 & her boobs are wonderful. at my age the young girls (<25) make me feel like a ****. you younger guys go for it!

some unintelligible discussion, some pen & paper pricing & i go for it. bottom line: r$100 for the girl plus r$52 for the room/cover/beer (that part is paid when you exit - they keep a tab for you). shower, lots of dfk, kissing all over the body, bbbj, futb (hers & mine! that was a first and i'm here to tell you that ain't exactly my cup of tea.....but she was game for it all, even with her tube of lube). daty, rcg, cg then on to a bbbj finish. afterwards a massage. then the buzzer goes off & it's time to shower.

overall, at my age, the quality was as good as it gets & the pricing outstanding. the room was fairly cool. but for you ocd & clean freaks out there, you'll probably have a few issues. plenty of soap in the shower (all previously used bar soap), mold on the walls, an occasional flying insect, an already-wet towel to step out of the shower on. if you can overlook those issues you'll have fun at a bargain price. otherwise stick with take-out back to your hotel. i don't know if that was available here or not (lack of portugese on my part).

but overall, fresh sheets, clean towels & a great attitude made this a memorable experience. julia gave me her phone number & wants to "sleep all night" with me.

return walk a little after 11. about the same number of sws though the crowds are about 20% of what they were on the outbound leg. about half the sws were the same as were out earlier. this could either be good or bad. i also noticed several cars stop & chat with the sws but never saw a sw leave with anyone.

Full Throttle
12-05-05, 14:55
This is actually a PM response to another member. He was interested in spending around $200 per day, and was planning on sporadic play rather than daily. Feel free to pick apart...


In general, I've been going about twice per month for about a year. While there, I usually have two days where I'm not encumbered by business requirements. Your welcome to any knowledge that I have, however limited that is.

The big question is probably your aversion or attraction to the sleeze factor. Would you rather spend no cover and $5R for beers in a place where you might use a room with a plastic mattress, or $20R cover, $15R beers, nice rooms or takeout?

There are a lot of choices. In the middle of the spectrum, I would choose a good massage parlor (I'm partial to Clinica Kin), and go there 33% of the days. The mamason is friendly and sweet, and she will direct you to the best girls. Knowing you are a good customer, the service will get better every visit. Price at Kin $R110/hour. That is on the low end for the high-end places, and on the high-end for the low-end places. Got it?

Bomboa is probably the best middle option for the chica clubs. Cover (which includes 4-6 drinks), girl and room $R380. While ridiculous in my book, it is only 2/3rds the price of other similar places like Photo, WE and Bahamas. You could probably do this once or twice and be happy.

You could round out the experiences with some visits to the Augusta clubs like Kilt, Cocktail, Big Ben and My Love. Entrance, your drink (notice, no plural), her exit drink, and her will probably set you back around $R260. LoveStory experience about the same, perhaps $R50 less.

Internet girls are not my thing, because I love being out and about. However, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that, while their price tags are a bit higher, you don't have to pay for your transportation, drinks or entrance fees anywhere. So, a $300R girl would probably not cost you any more than any of the above options, when you get right down to it.


I should also mention that I (and YMMV) have enjoyed some of the best experiences at the sub-clubs on R. Augusta. 60-80R sessions have been great, and the one street girl I brought back was exceptional.

FT

Genghis Khan
12-05-05, 16:16
I was hoping that you would not be offended by my comment. I really wasn't intending to suggest naivete. Still, when I've had a couple of drinks in brazil, my cognitive skills are often inversely proportional to my erection. :)

SD

I wasn't offended at all .

GK

Wandering Fool
12-05-05, 18:16
Just wondering for those of you who have seen both -maybe GK and others. How do the WE girls, Madame girls, etc of SP compare to the Termas girls of Rio (who we all generally agree are the hottest of that city and if someone knows of a better place -and don't say Barbarellas-please share).

I've done only Rio trips up to this point. Rio has the beaches the scenery the lower prices, the termas etc however if the girls of SP were noticably better looking, I might do a few days there. I'm always in search of the 9 with the J-lo ass, round but tight.

I realize this may be a loaded question since everyone has their preferences, so let me narrow this down. After extensive research checking the internet sites and reading checking the reviews on that GP Guia site, here are the girls in SP I would line up. This will give you an idea of my definition of hot -tight bodies with great round bunda's. These girls, at least by the photos, look better than many of the Rio girls.

So based on this look, I'm wondering if I did a trip to SP, tried these internet girls as well as hit the higher end clubs like WE, would I be able to top the Rio experience?

For those ass lovers heading to SP, this is my gift to you:

http://www.erosguide.com.br/Gabi/Gabi_Torrez_tdft_free2005.htm

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=325

http://www.erosguide.com.br/Andressa%20Fiorine/2_ensaio/AndressaFiorine_tdft_free2.htm

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=157

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=478

http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/freegirls/show.php?id=4715

http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acompanhantes/freegirls/show.php?id=3017

http://www.abusado.com.br/nome.php?nome=aleixalins

http://www.abusado.com.br/nome.php?nome=danielamello

http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo/garotas/mesticas/yoko.htm

http://www.erosguide.com.br/Natalia/natalia_tdft_free2005.htm

Comgo
12-05-05, 19:11
Hey FT or anyone else for that matter, is Bomboa open or closed right now? Thanks.

Vatel69
12-05-05, 21:28
Hey FT or anyone else for that matter, is Bomboa open or closed right now? Thanks.
It´s closed.

Genghis Khan
12-05-05, 21:53
When Fernanda woke me up at around 8, I understood that she was energetically trying to explain something to me which I didn't understand. Then she drew a picture of me making a phone call to Vatel69. I took up the phone and asked her "Vatel69?", and she nodded. I made the call and Vatel69 and I tried to sort out what had really happened last night without coming to an agreement on what we thought was a reasonable explanation to the events. Fernanda wanted me to hand her the phone, which I did. She talked for a moment with Vatel69 and handed the phone back to me. "She wants to know if you would like to spend one more day with her", he said. This day was a public holiday in Brazil (I don't remember the name of the actual holiday). That was why I had originally planned the date with Ailine and her friend. Most clubs would probably be closed today. I asked Vatel69 if she had mentioned anything about a price to him. He answered that she wanted the same price as I had paid to Edson last night - R$1000. I told him that I would try to talk to her about the price myself. Vatel69 made me aware of the fact that I had already set up a date today with Ailine and her friend. I asked him if he could try to postpone that to the next day. Fernanda was afraid to do side business without giving Edson his usual cut of 50%. That was why she didn't want to go below her normal price out of WE. WE had recently done a big cleanout of the girls that did side business. Normally I wouldn't have bought such an explanation, but with Fernanda it was different. I actually believed that and in the end it turned out to be true. When I visited WE the next week, Edson knew I had been with Fernanda and he couldn't have known that unless she had told him and thereby forcing herself to pay half of the fee to him. When you think of it this was actually a much better deal than yesterday. Fernanda would now be available to me from 8 this morning until 8 next morning compared to 8 last night until 8 this morning - double the amount of time. So I told her I agreed and she started jumping up and down on the bed before kissing me all over my face. Then she went to the bathroom for a shower.

If you read back on my earlier reports, you will learn that I usually never do repeats without some time in between. I might seek out girls I like from a previous trip but I don't like to get to closely attached to anyone and stay away from close repeats. I have only done this once before - with Sol from my last trip. So you should know that Fernanda was pretty special - otherwise I would never have broken this rule. Her looks is almost perfect with a dark tan, long, curly black hair which almost shines in shades of blue (because of the intense blackness) and dark brown eyes. The shape of her face is small and petite with a sexy smile. She has two large, natural C-cups and a well shaped but round butt. Her figure isn't athletic with heavy muscle mass like in years of hard exercise but she has a natural athletic body with a tight and muscular stomach. She is about 160 cm long. I wouldn't describe her as petite. A better explanation would be curvy - to a degree of perfection. She is very soft spoken but has strong opinions - especially about food which she is very particular about - only pizza and steaks. lol

When Fernanda had finished her shower and I had shaved and showered myself, the time was around 10. We ordered some food from room service but my stomach which by this point was even more upset than ever couldn't handle much of the food, so I didn't finish my pasta. While we ate there was a knock on the door and it turned out to be Vatel69. He wanted to talk about what had happened yesterday and sort of clear the air - which we did and he wanted to get back the money he had given me last night because he needed it to pay M. She was waiting for him in his apartment for the money.

Fernanda was still a bit tired after not sleeping until 4 this morning and I was tired myself in addition to the upset stomach. So we went back to sleep until the time was about 3.

When we got up, my stomach still was badly upset but I didn’t want to spend the rest of the day in bed complaining about my stomach when I had such a great girl by my side. Vatel69 had invited us to come over to his apartment, so I called him and told him we were on our way. He told me he had a couple of girlfriends with him at his apartment. He also told me that the date with Ailine and her friend was successfully postponed until the next day.

When we got there the girls wanted to order pizza. Vatel69 was all for that too. I am not really that fond of pizza, but I had to eat something and with my upset stomach I wasn’t going to enjoy a fancy meal anyway. I was now just happy to get away with spending as little as possible on food for Fernanda. I wasn’t going to enjoy it that much anyway. To get out of my mood I had a couple of glasses of whisky that Vatel69 offered me and it helped. It kind of numbed the pain in my stomach too. We spent about 2 to 3 hours at Vatel69s apartment before returning to the hotel and had a really good time there.

When we got back to the hotel, Fernanda and I showered and got ready for bed. Fernanda understood I had an upset stomach and tried to please me as good as she could without adding to my pain. It was very sweet and affectionate and with a lot of muscular control on her part during missionary.

After sex we fell asleep again until she woke me up again the next morning around 8. She asked me if I wanted her to stay this day too, but I told her I wasn’t able to do so today. I would call her during the weekend – probably on Sunday.

GK

DJ FourMoney
12-06-05, 04:18
Just wondering for those of you who have seen both -maybe GK and others. How do the WE girls, Madame girls, etc of SP compare to the Termas girls of Rio (who we all generally agree are the hottest of that city and if someone knows of a better place -and don't say Barbarellas-please share).

I've done only Rio trips up to this point. Rio has the beaches the scenery the lower prices, the termas etc however if the girls of SP were noticably better looking, I might do a few days there. I'm always in search of the 9 with the J-lo ass, round but tight.

I realize this may be a loaded question since everyone has their preferences, so let me narrow this down. After extensive research checking the internet sites and reading checking the reviews on that GP Guia site, here are the girls in SP I would line up. This will give you an idea of my definition of hot -tight bodies with great round bunda's. These girls, at least by the photos, look better than many of the Rio girls.

So based on this look, I'm wondering if I did a trip to SP, tried these internet girls as well as hit the higher end clubs like WE, would I be able to top the Rio experience?

For those ass lovers heading to SP, this is my gift to you:

http://www.erosguide.com.br/Gabi/Ga...ft_free2005.htm

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=325

http://www.erosguide.com.br/Andress..._tdft_free2.htm

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=157

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=671

http://www.ellass.com.br/modelo.asp?pid=478

http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acom...how.php?id=4715

http://www.malicia.com.br/free/acom...how.php?id=3017

http://www.abusado.com.br/nome.php?nome=aleixalins

http://www.abusado.com.br/nome.php?nome=danielamello

http://www.chantily.com.br/saopaulo...sticas/yoko.htm

http://www.erosguide.com.br/Natalia...ft_free2005.htm

Alot of those links don't work directly

Chantily has ads from Rio and Sao Paulo.

It all depends what your after. Without actually having traveled down there yet, I feel that SP was the best choice for the type of chica I was looking for.

SP is just different, you really don't have the Termas like you do in Rio. However the Clinicas are about as close I would say. If you didn't use the clubs then the internet, especially Chantily and GP are very reilable unlike the bait and switch I hear is often the case in Rio.

As I understand it Rio would go something like this -

Termas
Help
Other Clubs
Privates
Non-Pros and Semi Pros
Street Walkers

In SP -

Clinicas
Net Ladies
Clubs
Privates
Non-Pro/Semi Pro
Street Walkers

Going off strictly reviews and pictures, GFE seems to be equal across the board, but the women in SP tend to look better, more 8's and 9's and maybe a few 10's. In Rio it seems there alot more 5-6's and few 7-8's and even fewer 9's depending on what your attracted too. I'd also say the education level is higher in SP and the chances of your finding somebody that speaks even basic english is better.

Just the feel I have gotten from all the post and reports...

Wandering Fool
12-06-05, 05:11
Alot of those links don't work directlyI have edited my original post (about 3 or 4 messages down from here) so that all the links now work, the links in your quote of my post probably don't work still but my original should be ok.

Maxam
12-06-05, 14:12
I've been thinking of making my first trip to Sampa after Carnaval, on the way to Rio and other cities for an extended tour of Brazil. I want to try other options such as the acompanhantes sites. I remember seeing a guide to the terms on these sites in this forum. My Portuguese is limited and I don't understand some of the terms such as "podolatria". Are the prices fixed for the girls or dependent on what they offer? When ordering a girl on the phone, is portuguese necessary?
Thanks guys for any help.

Max

Full Throttle
12-06-05, 15:11
Going off strictly reviews and pictures, GFE seems to be equal across the board, but the women in SP tend to look better, more 8's and 9's and maybe a few 10's. In Rio it seems there alot more 5-6's and few 7-8's and even fewer 9's depending on what your attracted too. I'd also say the education level is higher in SP and the chances of your finding somebody that speaks even basic english is better.

Hmm. I suppose that there are more fair-skinned garotas in SP, if that makes a difference. GFE's seem to be fairly common both places. If there is a difference, it probably has more to do with class of service than geography. I've found LoveStory girls to provide GFE's more often than Help girls, but that may have to do with the fact that Help girls often leave after an hour or two while LoveStory girls would have nowhere to go at that hour. I've found the Bomboa on-site and terma GFE's to be similar. Kilt and Cocktail girls have been the only ones in Brazil to date where BBBJ was hit and miss.

I just don't think there is a good answer. Even if there were a statistical difference, it would be small enough that no reliable prediction could be made for a single experience or even a trip.

FT

DJ FourMoney
12-06-05, 15:24
Hmm. I suppose that there are more fair-skinned garotas in SP, if that makes a difference. GFE's seem to be fairly common both places. If there is a difference, it probably has more to do with class of service than geography. I've found LoveStory girls to provide GFE's more often than Help girls, but that may have to do with the fact that Help girls often leave after an hour or two while LoveStory girls would have nowhere to go at that hour. I've found the Bomboa on-site and terma GFE's to be similar. Kilt and Cocktail girls have been the only ones in Brazil to date where BBBJ was hit and miss.

I just don't think there is a good answer. Even if there were a statistical difference, it would be small enough that no reliable prediction could be made for a single experience or even a trip.

FT

Agreed and that's why my pick is SP over Rio for the simple fact I like fair-skinned chicas a bit more, but I promise to get a few morenas in there...

Starfe
12-06-05, 20:24
I would like to know when this becomes a trip killer for some of you?
It's becoming one for me.

Starfe

Cachorro
12-06-05, 20:45
I would like to know when this becomes a trip killer for some of you?
It's becoming one for me.

Starfe
I´ll still visit Brazil about once a year. But will spend less time there than before.

Going to cut it down to, say, one month per year instead of three months. The balance I´ll spend in cheaper countries.

Comgo
12-06-05, 22:48
I would like to know when this becomes a trip killer for some of you?
It's becoming one for me.

Starfe

It's definitely pushing me to try BA out instead (I haven't been there yet). Although BA sounds like all the bad of Brazilian GDP's/clubs without much of the good: drink extortion, gringo pricing, etc.

Prosal
12-06-05, 23:02
And for me next trip to SA will be in Colombia.

Comgo
12-07-05, 06:12
Currency Exchange: I'm currently in SP, and I have too much Reais for the time I have left here. I'm going to obviously change it back to US dollars, but before I use a cambio or bank, I thought of something that could be beneficial to myself and fellow mongers in SP right now. If anybody needs to change US dollars for Reais in SP in the next few days, let me know and we can agree to a rate that is better for both of us with no middle man (bank/cambio). I'm guessing that I'm going to have around $1500-2000US extra to change back. PM me. Thanks.

One Wing Low
12-07-05, 08:12
I was driving around the area near the Universidad one warm afternoon. It was the wide, leafy boulevard that leading to the school entrance. The school was in recess. There were noone around. Traffic on the blvd was very light to none.

A few blocks from the school I found a few young, lanky girls dressed up in a flowery dresses, hanging out one by one by themselves near intersections. There were no bus stops or signs of public tranportation. I didn't think they were waiting for rides. Most young people wear jeans and T shirts in public places in SP. They were completely out of place in their fancy dresses.

I concluded that if they dress up to attract, they must want quick company. I really wanted to stop the car to pick them up. However, I was with very serious company and had to play the perfect gentleman. I made some mental notes to return to the area, without the boring, stuck up colleagues, to further investigate in next trips.

I hope those girls were not trannies from the Universidad showing off in drags. Can someone confirm whether the area offers street talents for pick ups?

Full Throttle
12-07-05, 13:01
I'm guessing that I'm going to have around $1500-2000US extra to change back. PM me. Thanks.

Go have lunch with GK. You'll be down to taxi fare.

Just a joke.

FT

Vatel69
12-07-05, 14:25
First which Uni you are talking about?
Second, the area around USP are know for the wl and tv that work there. And be careful, police is hitting hard in that area.


I was driving around the area near the Universidad one warm afternoon. It was the wide, leafy boulevard that leading to the school entrance. The school was in recess. There were noone around. Traffic on the blvd was very light to none.

A few blocks from the school I found a few young, lanky girls dressed up in a flowery dresses, hanging out one by one by themselves near intersections. There were no bus stops or signs of public tranportation. I didn't think they were waiting for rides. Most young people wear jeans and T shirts in public places in SP. They were completely out of place in their fancy dresses.

I concluded that if they dress up to attract, they must want quick company. I really wanted to stop the car to pick them up. However, I was with very serious company and had to play the perfect gentleman. I made some mental notes to return to the area, without the boring, stuck up colleagues, to further investigate in next trips.

I hope those girls were not trannies from the Universidad showing off in drags. Can someone confirm whether the area offers street talents for pick ups?

Sui Generis
12-07-05, 16:35
I agree with Vatel69

If we're talking about USP (which is in Butantã), you must be aware that this area is swarming with travestites (travecos) especially around Avenida do Jockey. Beware....


On the other hand (on a positive note), some GDPS live in Butantã (not many as in Moema or Jardims)

For example: Jade Morena

http://www.jadegpsp.hpgvip.ig.com.br/

or the Dantas sisters (Mel and Milla Dantas)

www.meldantas.cjb.net

www.milladantas.cjb.net

There is also a Privê on rua Camargo

and a clinica

CLÍNICA TERRAÇO JARDINS
Rua MMDC, 172 - Butantã
Tel: 3034-3971

Site: http://www.terracojardins.com.br




According to me, not the best place in Sampa.

Sui Generis
12-07-05, 19:06
Hey FT or anyone else for that matter, is Bomboa open or closed right now? Thanks.


Right now (12/07/2005) it's closed. Can you believe it, but I've heard that it is supposed to reopen tomorrow, Thursday.

Frankly, who is crazy enough to go back there. Stop living in the past. Bomboa was a very good place...it is not anymore (and will never be again).

Full Throttle
12-07-05, 19:21
Frankly, who is crazy enough to go back there. Stop living in the past. Bomboa was a very good place...it is not anymore (and will never be again).

Look, the past was only a few months ago. They've been fighting like hell against our "enemies." If anything, I think we should be going out of the way to support them.

On the other hand, I think they need to provide TOP NOTCH customer service at a very reasonable price in order to regain our loyalty.

FT

One Wing Low
12-07-05, 19:47
Thanks for responding.

I thought those 'girls' were taller, beefier and flashier than usual. So there is the info for the bros who prefer tricks with exterior plumbings.

The Clinica Terraco looks very interesting. I just love girls with the Amazon looks.

Sao Paolo seems to have a lot of very beautiful girls. I will try to contact the local bros next time I am there.


I agree with Vatel69

If we're talking about USP (which is in Butantã), you must be aware that this area is swarming with travestites (travecos) especially around Avenida do Jockey. Beware....


On the other hand (on a positive note), some GDPS live in Butantã (not many as in Moema or Jardims)

For example: Jade Morena

http://www.jadegpsp.hpgvip.ig.com.br/

or the Dantas sisters (Mel and Milla Dantas)

www.meldantas.cjb.net

www.milladantas.cjb.net

There is also a Privê on rua Camargo

and a clinica

CLÍNICA TERRAÇO JARDINS
Rua MMDC, 172 - Butantã
Tel: 3034-3971

Site: http://www.terracojardins.com.br




According to me, not the best place in Sampa.

Comgo
12-07-05, 21:22
Go have lunch with GK. You'll be down to taxi fare.

Just a joke.

FT

No this is money left over after lunch AND dinner with GK. :)

Sui Generis
12-08-05, 17:49
I've just read it on a Brazilian forum: The concrete blocks in front of Bomboa were removed. It will reopen today at noon.

Happy hobbying everybody!

Genghis Khan
12-08-05, 19:05
This morning I decided I was going to make it a priority to try to recover from by stomach problems. I felt better but wanted to fully recover before my date with Miss F the next day. So I slept until 11 and ordered breakfast up to my room, went back to sleep and only had a salad from room service for lunch. Vatel69 was busy working, but I called him in order to get a confirmation on tonight’s plans. A taxi with Ailine's friend Vanessa was to pick me up at around 6:30. We would then go to a churrascaria called Angelica Grill close by the hotel where Ailine would meet us at around 7. After dinner all three of us would retire back to my hotel for the night. The girls would be R$400 each. In the end we ended up in Ailine’s apartment because the bed in my hotel room was a bit two small for three people to sleep in.

When the taxi with Vanessa came to pick me up a little early, my stomach was fully recovered. Vanessa was a skinny, tall (about 180cm) girl with long, curly, red hair, big, blue eyes and full lips. She was not a girl I would normally pick in a crowd, but I am sure she would be very hot to a lot of guys. She had sort of a model look (long, skinny). According to Ailine, Vanessa was a semi-professional. According to Ailine this meant that she didn't work in any clubs or advertised in any web pages. She only worked by recommendation through Ailine and only did this once in a while. She did it this because she liked sex just as much as she did it for the money. All of Ailine’s "friends" operated this way. I was not sure how much of this was true or pure business talk, but what became apparent to me during this night was that Ailine surely loved sex and did this for pleasure as well as for the money. Ailine’s "operation" with her friend was closely connected to a previous partner at W. He had a lot of connections she provided "willing" semi-professional women to. Semi-professionals were more sought after by business men according to Ailine.

Angelica Grill turned out to be a pleasant experience. It is a big, low cost churrascaria with great service. If you are concerned about the wine list, it doesn't offer much - otherwise it gives great value for money. When Vanessa and I entered, the waiter (as if reading my mind) showed us to one far corner of the dining area with no guests around to see or hear what we said or did. We ordered a drink each and before we had been able to finish them Ailine showed up. Ailine wanted to drink champagne and since my expenses today was going to be below budget anyway, I thought why the hell not and ordered a bottle. To make the bottle last as long as possible, I didn't drink from it myself. I am not really a big champagne lover anyway so I stuck with Caipirinhas to help digest the heavy meal and to get myself into the right "mental state" to enjoy this night to the full.

Vanessa and Ailine turned out to be very friendly and easy to talk to since Ailine understood some English. After a while Vatel69 called and wanted to know if everything was to my satisfaction - which it was. Ailine was a wild chick and the champagne made her loose her inhibitions. She kept repeating how much she was looking forward to getting Vanessa and me in the bed. She also made remarks about what she would like to do to us and what Vanessa liked to do in bed. Vanessa sometimes became a little embarrassed about it all but after a couple of glasses of champagne she just laughed at Ailine too. When we were ready to leave the bill had amounted to R$650. That was two bottles of champagne at R$250 each, so I guess you understand that the food itself wasn't very expensive at Angelica Grill.

After the meal we took a taxi back to the hotel where nobody even noticed that I brought along two ladies to my room. When we got to my hotel room it became quite apparent that the bed wouldn't be big enough for three people to sleep in. So I grabbed the money I needed to pay them and we all went down to take a taxi to Ailine’s apartment instead.

Ailine’s bedroom had a bed that was more than big enough so we were fine there. After we had showered, Ailine and Vanessa started playing by themselves while I just watched. It was quite obvious that they had done this before. After a while Ailine urged me to join them. What got me a little upset was that Vanessa apparently had misunderstood something because she only wanted to play with Ailine - not me. Instead of making a big issue of it and ruin the time spent this night and the girls "willingness" I let it pass and decided to address it the next morning when payment was due. Ailine was great and had several obviously not fake orgasms during the night. I had a great time too but couldn't manage to pop tonight either. I might be because of my stomach problems and the lack of decent meals the last couple of days. At one point Ailine even offered me her backdoor for free in an effort to try to make me pop. I am not really into that so I declined, but I think it shows that she really made an effort to please me. After Ailine’s third orgasm we all collapsed on the bed and went to sleep.

When we woke up the next morning around 8, Vanessa had to go. I told Ailine that the night before really hadn't been what we had agreed because Vanessa didn't want to have sex with me. I really wasn't that upset because as I wrote earlier Vanessa wasn't really my type anyway. Ailine offered to give me a BBBJ after Vanessa had left as compensation and I accepted. After Vanessa had left and Ailine had given me her BBBJ, Ailine and I talked for a while. She told me that her dark, sexy voice as a result of anabolic steroids and that she was a professional fitness athlete. She also told me again that she really liked sex and that would like to meet me again. I didn't promise her anything but accepted her phone number nonetheless. Soon after I took a taxi back to my hotel for some more sleep.

GK

Big Boss Man
12-08-05, 20:23
If you are in town only for a few days in Sao Paulo, you might consider staying in Moema. Moema has the advantage of being near Congonhas Airport. A cab fare to your hotel should only be a 10 to 20 reals from the airport. I am staying the Blue Tree Towers Ibirapuera. There are several boates and clinicas within walking distance. Boates include Bahamas, Akaza and American Show. Clinicas include Abbobora, Oishii, Carinas and Celcenter. A twenty-minute walk will get you to the clinicas in Campo Belo.

The neighborhood feels safe. I walked around as late as midnight. They are not pleasant walks as there are many car dealerships on Avenue Ibirapuera. For exercise, I walked to Ibirapuera Park did a loop and back to the hotel in 90 minutes. Ask you hotel reception for the magazine “Sao Paulo this month” which has maps of the area in it.

Previously I stayed in the Blue Tree Paulista. That hotel is decently located for Bomboa, the Rua Augusta scene and my favorite clinica Sauna House. It is also on the same street Peixote Gomide as WE if you want to follow the great Ghenghis Khan’s path. WE is new since I was last in Sao Paulo.

The other advantage Blue Tree Paulista is that it is near a subway stop. This allows you to get to clinicas near subway stops like Antares quickly and cheaply.

The fact is that if you really want to know Sao Paulo you will need at least a month. I am on my third trip still getting oriented.

Forzanat
12-08-05, 20:35
I read some report and my question is : Where are the best beaches and safe night life I can found in Brazil? Of couse where also can find a lot of good beautiful girls white or black with nice attitude. I am a Italian guy.

I am going to spend two weeks on there but I need name of places.

Thanks a lot.

Dave

Crypton
12-08-05, 21:16
can anyone Private message me some photos of the streets of Sao Paulo to get an idea of what it looks like or post some in the photo section.

thanks

You may want to try Google Images (got >360,000 hits; obviously not all relevant). ALso, here's a nice site:
http://paularodrigo.mydynip.net/gallery/slideshow.php?set_albumName=album08

Cheers.

Sui Generis
12-08-05, 21:48
If you are in town only for a few days in Sao Paulo, you might consider staying in Moema. Moema has the advantage of being near Congonhas Airport. A cab fare to your hotel should only be a 10 to 20 reals from the airport. I am staying the Blue Tree Towers Ibirapuera. There are several boates and clinicas within walking distance. Boates include Bahamas, Akaza and American Show. Clinicas include Abbobora, Oishii, Carinas and Celcenter. A twenty-minute walk will get you to the clinicas in Campo Belo..

I wrote several times on this board that I consider that Moema is a good neibourghood. Big Boss lists a lot of reasons and I concur. But I would like to add another one: a lot of GDPs live there and you can easily meet them in their flat (habitually it's between R$150 and R$200 for 2 hours (and more if she is not a clock watcher.....))

You can also find motels (if this is an option for you) in this district. And for those who are more adventurous there are also privês (including one just in front of the Ibirapuera shopping center).

There is also a place where you can smoke a good cigar

http://www.romacigarbar.com.br/

And for those who are (like me) jazz aficionados there is the Bourbon Street;

Nome: Bourbon Street
End: Rua dos Chanés 127 - Moema
Tel: 5095-6100
Site: http://www.bourbonstreet.com.br



I plan to stay there on my next visit (later this month). The only thing that bothers me is the proximity of the Congonhas airport. It means that you always hear the planes that are landing.

Bandy
12-08-05, 22:29
can anyone Private message me some photos of the streets of Sao Paulo to get an idea of what it looks like or post some in the photo section.

thanks
These pictures were taken in last August. Part of the stretch of Av. Paulista in Jardins. Picture taken inside the University of Sao Paulo shows a panaromic view of the city of SP in the background.

Bandy

Sui Generis
12-08-05, 22:29
can anyone Private message me some photos of the streets of Sao Paulo to get an idea of what it looks like or post some in the photo section.

thanks

Hi Funkignitor (and all of you!)

To have an animated glimpse of the city, try this:

Visit the Veja São Paulo portal

http://vejinha.abril.com.br/index.shtml

On the left side of the main page you will see the cover of the latest edition of Veja São Paulo (a 20 years old magazine). Go down (after Assine Abril, Especiais, etc.) until you see Multimídia (Multimedia).

Cick on : A cidade em vídeo (The city on video)

When you are on this page, Multimídia, you will see different rubrics (the first one is Reportagens).

Go down until you see: Passeios (walks)

8 items are listed: Serra do Mar, Centro de São Paulo, Avenida Paulista, etc....

Click on any of them and you will see a short video of the city.

SobeLizard
12-09-05, 00:56
These pictures were taken in last August. Part of the stretch of Av. Paulista in Jardins. Picture taken inside the University of Sao Paulo shows a panaromic view of the city of SP in the background.

BandyCan all good citizens of this forum post more pictures.

Afterall, pictures are worth a thousand words.

Thanks,

SobeLizard

Pyjama
12-09-05, 01:28
@ Funkignitor

Try google's picture search. Will give you thousands of pictures of Sao Paulo. Or you might try www.webshots.com and do a search for Sao Paulo:

http://www.webshots.com/search?new=1&source=mdocsheader&words=sao+paulo

Girl you'll find with google:

Boozer
12-09-05, 05:47
I wrote several times on this board that I consider that Moema is a good neibourghood. Big Boss lists a lot of reasons and I concur. But I would like to add another one: a lot of GDPs live there and you can easily meet them in their flat (habitually it's between R$150 and R$200 for 2 hours (and more if she is not a clock watcher.....))

You can also find motels (if this is an option for you) in this district. And for those who are more adventurous there are also privês (including one just in front of the Ibirapuera shopping center).

There is also a place where you can smoke a good cigar

http://www.romacigarbar.com.br/

And for those who are (like me) jazz aficionados there is the Bourbon Street;

Nome: Bourbon Street
End: Rua dos Chanés 127 - Moema
Tel: 5095-6100
Site: http://www.bourbonstreet.com.br



I plan to stay there on my next visit (later this month). The only thing that bothers me is the proximity of the Congonhas airport. It means that you always hear the planes that are landing.


I agree with SG and BigBoss that Moema is a good location. The BlueTree Ibirapuera is a few blocks from Bahamas, a few minutes by taxi from Photo, and within striking distance of Bomboa and Paulista (about 20-25 mins depending on time of day). And it is very close to Congonhas airport, a big plus.

Finally, you can shop (or get cash) at a decent mall across the street. I did not know about the prive nearby, but may check it out.

The hotel is not fancy, but it is very reasonably priced, has internet access, and is fairly garota friendly. I think I got charged the last time I brought a photo lady back, it was 50 reals or less. Enjoy!

Sui Generis
12-09-05, 05:58
[QUOTE=Boozer] I did not know about the prive nearby, but may check it out. QUOTE]


The privê is located on 106 Avenida Imares, Moema. R$60

http://www.venhameconhecer.com.br/

Boozer
12-09-05, 06:02
I have had some of my best times in Brazil at Bomboa, but it clearly is under seige. I remember that it has a sister club, Vision Balneário, that I think is not far from Millenium. I have yet to see a post on this place. Has anyone been there? Is it anything like Bomboa?

I for one greatly appreciate GK's reports, when I'm in SP I have mainly visited places like Bahamas, Bomboa, Millenium and occasionally Photo (mixed results at Photo). I did get to club W just before it closed, and based on that experience I will be saving up to try WE. I would say the sex is good at all of the above, except the very high end places (W, WE) are a bit less mechanical. But as several senior posters have noted over the years, 'it's all good', and we can all get valuable info from each other regardless of our price range.

On other question, has anyone been to Cafe Gaugin lately (or has it closed)? I have not been to Brazil for over 4 months and I'm getting antsy...

Boozer
12-09-05, 06:04
[QUOTE=Boozer] I did not know about the prive nearby, but may check it out. QUOTE]


The privê is located on 106 Avenida Imares, Moema. R$60

http://www.venhameconhecer.com.br/

Thanks for this info, I'll check it out next trip!

Sui Generis
12-09-05, 06:31
On other question, has anyone been to Cafe Gaugin lately (or has it closed)? I have not been to Brazil for over 4 months and I'm getting antsy...


Café Gaugin seems to be still open. I've just checked on different brazilian forums and the last report was made in July 2005. However on their Internet site there is a promotion good until December 29 2005...so, I guess it's still open.

I have never been there.

http://www.gauguin.com.br/

Speaking of Bomboa, the sister club is the following one (in fact it's not a club but a clinica)
http://www.clinicavison.com.br/

I cannot tell more about this place, because I've never been there.

MoonDog
12-09-05, 17:32
Café Gaugin seems to be still open. I've just checked on different brazilian forums and the last report was made in July 2005. However on their Internet site there is a promotion good until December 29 2005...so, I guess it's still open.

I have never been there.
It is a very nice and upscale club. Michael, the manager is a great guy. It is spacious, very clean, good food, stage shows, and great rooms. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday nights are the best.

Moondog

Big Boss Man
12-09-05, 17:43
I surprised there is not more information about Akaza in the forum. It is not listed in the Guide and I think it deserves to be. I was treated well nobody tried to rip me off. Akaza seems to cater to the forty to fifty-year old Brazilian so I felt right at home in Akaza. The Akaza staff seemed surprised that an English speaker would come into their club alone. The garotas are by no means stars like you see at the nearby Bahamas but I was attracted to four or five of them. In fact, as I write this report, I am waiting for an Akaza garota to visit me in my hotel. She’s late of course. Entrance room and drinks ran 140 reals. The garotas will go with you for 200 reals. So you are spending about 300 reals less than you will spend in Bahamas. I recommend it. I would like to read what others think.

Alameda dos Pamaris, 83
Moema / São Paulo - SP
CEP: 04086-020
http://www.akaza.com.br

Tommy America
12-09-05, 22:28
I surprised there is not more information about Akaza in the forum. It is not listed in the Guide and I think it deserves to be. I was treated well nobody tried to rip me off. Akaza seems to cater to the forty to fifty-year old Brazilian so I felt right at home in Akaza. The Akaza staff seemed surprised that an English speaker would come into their club alone. The garotas are by no means stars like you see at the nearby Bahamas but I was attracted to four or five of them. In fact, as I write this report, I am waiting for an Akaza garota to visit me in my hotel. She’s late of course. Entrance room and drinks ran 140 reals. The garotas will go with you for 200 reals. So you are spending about 300 reals less than you will spend in Bahamas. I recommend it. I would like to read what others think.

Alameda dos Pamaris, 83
Moema / São Paulo - SP
CEP: 04086-020
http://www.akaza.com.brI have been there several times. The door manager used to do the same function at Donna Caffe. They are very friendly esp. if you are not fluent in Portuguese. I agree with your "Bahamas" comparison too...I also enjoy Akaza more. Not my favorite spot, but still a stop I will make for drinks (at least) whenever I am in SP.

Sui Generis
12-09-05, 23:00
I read on another forum that Bomboa is open. They are even ready to celebrate the 5th anniversary, on December 19th.

According to the hobbyists who were there yesterday, there was a lot of good looking women.

RCA Knight
12-10-05, 22:23
I was in Brasil for some weeks and spent a week in Floripa and few days here in Riberao. My cousin's good friend who is a young docter in Riberao and also loves to party just built a big new house so I and my cousin took a side trip from SP and drove to visit him.

I have been to Riberao many times and this city is full of nice college girls, but not too easy to get for one night stand, unless you know people there who knows some of the party girls and introduce to you. There are as usual boates and brothels, but not good quality as SP.

My cousin's docter friend built a big house in the suburb with big swimming pool and also jacuzzi and a nice churrasco recreation area. With 4 rooms, all with air-con. I and my cousin each one stay in a room. Riberao is so hot, over 30c all the time and the sun is burning hot being in the interior SP. No air-con I can never sleep in this city. But still lots of Brasilians in Riberao do not have air-con and use fan only.

The young docter was very funny guy. Very good looking 36 years old playboy type. He took us out to many chopperias and some night clubs hunting student girls but did not succeed at all for 3 nights. He said he know some students who love to drink and party, quite cute, and he said he actually scored some of them before. He will invite them over for churrasco and he said they were quite easy just get them drunk and listen to techno and they won't resist.

The next day Saturday, he invited a few girls and also a few of his guy friends as well and he pointed out 3 of the girls he did before and told me they all are nice girls at college in the day time but like to have fun at night and drink and party. So we all hanged out in the poolside and making churrasco and calabresa hotdogs. I think 4 of the girls were cute and doable so I started to test which one has more affinity for me. I decided on one that talks to me a lot about traveling and also about my leisure life in Thailand. Luckily docter still have not done this one yet, but he knows her through her friend for some times already.

The docter friend whispered to me this is good one and wanted me to get her drunk. We started eating our calabresa and some churrasco and we drank wine, beer, whisky, everything. My cousin also working on another girl with some help of the docter.

Later some guys and some girls left first and it actually was better for us. My cousin and his girl were really drinking and he grabbed her to upstairs. And the docter was nowhere insight. There were still 2 girls lying in the sofa inside the living room. I think my girl was a bit drunk and I told her to dip in the pool. I took off her top and only leave the undie on and went inside the pool.

I think she is quite drunk in the pool. I had to hold her upright and I started to finger her. Very young only 21 years old from Campinas SP study in Riberao to be a landscape artist. She was saying in Portugese she wants to lye down so I took her upstairs naked. But the other two girls in the living room kind of looked at us and smiled.

I took her in my room and passed my cousin's room and saw him dead asleep with his girl. My girl was too weak but told me to have sex in Portuguese so I did it to her very hard and then she fell asleep without shower. I took a shower and could not really sleep until the morning.

In the morning, I saw her first time clearly almost no make-up. She was quite cute and the body was slim and the waiste line was really sexy. I was lucky I picked the best cutie. We all woke up and the docter last night was in the jacuzzi with a girl in the back so we did not see him for all night. We all went to some really delicious por kilo luncheon and pigged out. It was Sunday so we hanged out in the pool and played around in the house all day with the girls. I did my girl again in the late afternoon but she was very shy when she is sober.

The girls left late at night and we slept early as well. Had enough of this hot weather and the next day we headed back to Sao Paulo. On the way back we stopped at a huge highway cafe. I and my cousin saw a very nice girl got off the bus. She was alone. So my cousin went to chat with her. She said she took bus from Mato Grosso and on the way to her sister in SP. She seems to like my cousin and they chat and she kind of touched him many times when they were joking around. I was quite attracted to her as well but my cousin did all the talking and working so he deserves to get it. My cousin proposed to take her to SP to her sister's house and leave the bus. She really wanted to do that too and she had to get her bags off her long distance bus and had to tell the bus driver something. So she told the driver she accidentally met some friends driving to SP so she will join them and wanted to pulled off her bags from the luggage trunk.

Then she joined us in our car. She sat in the front seat with my cousin and I alone sat in the back getting quite lonely and horny, but hid it very well. They were really having fun talking and laughing. My cousin can speak lots of Portuguese so I can not compete with him.

The girl's older sister apartment was in a somewhat more poor area called Vila Prudente. She works in a factory and shared a small aparment with 1 other girl. I think the life coming from some small town in Mato Grosso to capital SP must be very harsh. It was quite late and we took the 2 sisters and another roommate to dinner at some very nice Japanese restaurant that we go a few times before in Itaim. They were quite impressed and seemed like they have never seen this kind of pricing before. The sister and her roommate were below my level so I was not going to attack them and only eat my food.

Later we sent them back to their apartment. My cousin asked the girl to stay with us and he will show her around tommorrow and because her sister has to work tommorrow and she would be left alone at home anyways. The sister seemed to like us so she let her younger sisiter go with us.

Okay, my cousin got this very innocent fresh cutie just got off the bus midway from Mato Grosso to SP not even in SP. First time in the capital SP. They really had a good time for few days and I can only listen to them from next room enjoing the sex at night. I was so horny many times and had to finished myself. The babe went back to Mato Grosso after a few days and my cousin paid her to fly home as a present. First time airplane for her. I and my cousin had time again to hunt again.

We went to Guaruja, Bertioga and then to Riviera Sao Lourenco for a few days. Got no luck for amatures and had to settle for some pay sex. That was end of this trip. Will be back in Brasil next May.

Nickster53
12-11-05, 00:39
Report on Day 2 of my Sao Paulo trip.

Like I said, Fernanda did a lot to take my mind off of the beach and I was looking forward to a great time in Sao Paulo. After a room service breakfast, Fernanda and I went over to Vatel69’s apartment (he wanted to meet her). We fooled around at his place a bit and I met Ghengis Khan. After Fernanda left (it was early afternoon) we all (Vatel69 and GK and I) decided to go out for lunch. I had been to this place called Juarez with Vatel69 several months earlier and we decided to go back. Juarez is in the Moema (I think) and is a great local place with a lot of character and a lot of girls. We started drinking beer, ordered food and sat down to watch the scenery. As usual Vatel69 was on the phone, trying to line up some company to join us for lunch. After lunch, a few (make that quite a few) beers, two girls showed up. They were pretty nice and with my very basic Portuguese I was able to pick up about 20% of what was being said. They ordered some food and some caprinia’s so GK and I switched from beer to caprinia’s. Another girl, a beautiful morena named Dyana (I don’t remember the name of the other girls) showed up and it was obvious she was going to be GK’s date.

The rest of the time at the bar was a little fuzzy. I do remember going to the bathroom (very unsteady) and coming back and all of the girls except Dyana were gone. I think I remember changing drinks again (scotch from Vatel69’s stash) and I think I paid a part of the check. GK assures me that we did pay. We ended up spending about 6 hours at Juarez and left with one girl and a fuzzy memory on what went on.

Vatel69 suggested that we go to a karaoke bar and I vaguely remember GK wanting to go to an ATM and he having words with Vatel69 in the street. I think GK left with Dyana, and Vatel69 and I went hunting on our own. We decided to try some of the Rua Augusta places. Remember, Saturday nights are pretty slow, and we didn’t see much. I remember hitting Vago and some of the neighboring clubs. Not much at any of the places. We returned to the karaoke bar and talked with the girls. I ended up with Patricia a nice looking brunette that was very friendly at the bar and even better back in the room. Did you ever have a feeling of familiarity about a girl…no not your wife, but someone that you picked up? Well I had that about Patricia. I war pretty far gone, but after showers we started kissing and rolling around on the bed. She had a lot of oral talents, BBJ and really got into the session. We had a great time (from what I remember), I do vaguely remember waking up in the middle of the night wondering who the hell was in my bed, but that quickly passed when she rolled over and started kissing me again.

Patricia left around 8:00, I saw her out the door and paid her (200 R plus taxi) and went back to bed. I slept until about 11:00 called GK and we got some coffee and headed over to Vatel69’s apartment to try to reconstruct the prior night’s activities. Remember that feeling about familiarity? Vatel69 said that I had been with Patricia before, but before she was a blonde. I did remember her, but she sure didn’t look the same. I thought some of those lumps on her ass felt familiar.

DJ FourMoney
12-11-05, 02:09
Report on Day 2 of my Sao Paulo trip.

Like I said, Fernanda did a lot to take my mind off of the beach and I was looking forward to a great time in Sao Paulo. After a room service breakfast, Fernanda and I went over to Vatel69’s apartment (he wanted to meet her). We fooled around at his place a bit and I met Ghengis Khan. After Fernanda left (it was early afternoon) we all (Vatel69 and GK and I) decided to go out for lunch. I had been to this place called Juarez with Vatel69 several months earlier and we decided to go back. Juarez is in the Moema (I think) and is a great local place with a lot of character and a lot of girls. We started drinking beer, ordered food and sat down to watch the scenery. As usual Vatel69 was on the phone, trying to line up some company to join us for lunch. After lunch, a few (make that quite a few) beers, two girls showed up. They were pretty nice and with my very basic Portuguese I was able to pick up about 20% of what was being said. They ordered some food and some caprinia’s so GK and I switched from beer to caprinia’s. Another girl, a beautiful morena named Dyana (I don’t remember the name of the other girls) showed up and it was obvious she was going to be GK’s date.

The rest of the time at the bar was a little fuzzy. I do remember going to the bathroom (very unsteady) and coming back and all of the girls except Dyana were gone. I think I remember changing drinks again (scotch from Vatel69’s stash) and I think I paid a part of the check. GK assures me that we did pay. We ended up spending about 6 hours at Juarez and left with one girl and a fuzzy memory on what went on.

Vatel69 suggested that we go to a karaoke bar and I vaguely remember GK wanting to go to an ATM and he having words with Vatel69 in the street. I think GK left with Dyana, and Vatel69 and I went hunting on our own. We decided to try some of the Rua Augusta places. Remember, Saturday nights are pretty slow, and we didn’t see much. I remember hitting Vago and some of the neighboring clubs. Not much at any of the places. We returned to the karaoke bar and talked with the girls. I ended up with Patricia a nice looking brunette that was very friendly at the bar and even better back in the room. Did you ever have a feeling of familiarity about a girl…no not your wife, but someone that you picked up? Well I had that about Patricia. I war pretty far gone, but after showers we started kissing and rolling around on the bed. She had a lot of oral talents, BBJ and really got into the session. We had a great time (from what I remember), I do vaguely remember waking up in the middle of the night wondering who the hell was in my bed, but that quickly passed when she rolled over and started kissing me again.

Patricia left around 8:00, I saw her out the door and paid her (200 R plus taxi) and went back to bed. I slept until about 11:00 called GK and we got some coffee and headed over to Vatel69’s apartment to try to reconstruct the prior night’s activities. Remember that feeling about familiarity? Vatel69 said that I had been with Patricia before, but before she was a blonde. I did remember her, but she sure didn’t look the same. I thought some of those lumps on her ass felt familiar.

Great Report, but please back up off the sauce homie... At least you lucked out and picked up a chica you had been with before, it could have been worst, MUCH worst.

Genghis Khan
12-11-05, 18:25
I woke up at around 10 by some heavy rain outside. My plan this morning was to go over to the shopping mall to buy a bottle of champagne or wine for this night with Miss F. I also needed to change the US dollars I had left to have enough cash to pay Miss F the agreed fee of R$2000. I was hoping the rain would stop before I went over to the mall though. It was just a five minute walk so I preferred waiting than to take a taxi.

I was really excited about tonight’s events. The first time I had seen Miss F on the internet was about two years ago. She appeared on a webpage in an advertisement for jeans. Several other girls also posed in advertisements for different kinds of clothing on that page. Common for all these adds were that the background picture was the logo for Jardim America - Edson and Washington’s previous club. I asked several of my friends that frequented Jardim America to look for Miss F when visiting but none reported that they had seen her. In the end I gave up on my quest to find her. When I found her on the Madame's disc, it really wasn't such a hard choice for me to choose a girl.

I was a bit unsure if she would turn out to meet my high expectations I had built up about her. Having a good time with a girl depends on more than just her looks. Her attitude and the chemistry between you and the girl are equally important. I was a bit afraid that a celebrity charging R$2000 for the night might be stuck up and full of herself obviously knowing that she looked good. Another factor against me was that I was a foreigner and not speaking Portuguese. She would probably understand that I wasn't visiting Brazil that often and that repeat business probably wouldn't be very likely. I usually don't set up appointments with escorts because I am very particular about what I like in a girl. Her attitude and our chemistry is not something it’s easy to get a feel for from pictures. I prefer going to the clubs because if you don't like your first choice you could always tell her you are looking for someone else and just call another girl over. With escorts it’s different because you have to spend some time with them in order to find out if she is a "match" and by then it’s too late to back out and not pay her anything. She is going to want compensation for the time she has spent with you. Another thing I was worried about was if my high expectations would be let down because of the obvious bait and switch practice from other providers of "garota famosas". To be absolutely honest I was a little nervous about the whole setup - and that added even more to the excitement I had built up. I felt like a teenager on one of their first dates. The fact that I am a little reserved by nature also added some uneasy feelings on my part. Would I meet the expectations of Miss F. All of these thoughts were running through my mind all day up until the appointment with Miss F and these feelings made me prepare for this date with the same kind of attitude towards the girl as a normal date. In my mind I really wasn't preparing for an appointment with an R$2000 escort. I think that might be what partly made it work out so great in the end - meeting and even go beyond all my expectations, because she turned out to be a super GFE.

Miss F was supposed to come to my hotel around 8, so I wouldn't have time to have dinner before that. I planned to have a light lunch at the mall today to keep my stomach from turning against me again and take Miss F out for dinner when she arrived. I called the reception and asked them to make a reservation at the restaurant A Figueira Rubaiyat for two people at 9. I usually don't bring the girls to fancy restaurants because I like to dine alone to really appreciate the good meals. That thought never occurred to me when it came to this particular date because I really didn't think of it as an appointment with an escort.

The heavy rain stopped at around 2, so I walked over to the mall and exchanged my dollars. Then I went to the liquor store to look for a bottle of champagne or wine. The prices were way above normal though so I bought a bottle of vodka Absolute Vanilla and several different kinds of juices instead - hoping she would enjoy that too. Then I went to the top floor of the mall and had a steak and a beer for lunch.

When I got back to the hotel I called the reception again and they confirmed my dinner reservation. In order to be "fit for fight" for the night I slept for about two hours.

When I woke my watch showed about 6. Miss F. was going to show up in about an hour - if she was on time. I showered, shaved and changed into some appropriate clothing. In order to relax and be more comfortable with the situation, I poured myself a whisky from a bottle I had bought a couple of days ago when Fernanda and I went over to Vatel69's apartment. Time passed and the whiskies turned into several. I haven't been doing business in Brazil nor have I set up appointments with Brazilian escorts before, so I didn't know the Brazilian habit of always being late. When the time passed 8 I was sure she wouldn't turn up. I called Vatel69 and told him that Miss F had not arrived yet. He answered that he would call the Madame. A couple of minutes later the phone rang and it was the front desk. The female receptionist told me that she had received a package for me. I didn't understand this since I wasn't expecting a delivery. Maybe the receptionists poor English made her translate visitor into package? I asked the receptionist to send it up to my room. It turned out to be the Madame’s disc (book of girls). I had asked for another copy of the disc for a friend of mine but the Madame had said that she would send it with Miss F. The time was now 8:15. I called Vatel69 again and told him what had happened. He said he would call the Madame. A couple of minutes later Vatel69 called back and told me that Miss F had been stuck in traffic and now she was lost. She would be at the hotel as soon as she managed to find it.

Around 9 the receptionist called me again and told me that Miss F had arrived. I told her that I would be right down. Even though the drinks I had earlier had helped, I felt very excited about how this might turn out and even a little nervous. I took a deep breath and walked towards the elevator. When the elevator reached the lobby - I once again took a deep breath before telling myself to calm down. When I turned the corner from the elevator and faced into the lobby I saw a girl sitting with her back to me. I could see her face reflecting in the window by the entrance and my first fear of bait and switch was obviously nothing to worry about anymore. This was definitely the girl from the pictures. I went over to her and saw a sensationally beautiful woman. She was all dolled up with makeup and clothes like she was ready for a photo shoot. She didn't notice me approaching, but I went over to her and introduced myself with a kiss on both her cheeks. The first thing she said after showing her fantastic smile was "Oh, lindo". That kind of broke the ice and got rid of my worries that I might not be up to her standards. I have seen several photos of Miss F on the internet, and one of these photos had stuck in my mind. Not all the other photos I had seen have been equally good. It turned out that in person she looked most like the great photo and not even that could quite prepare me for how stunning she looked. I didn't know if she spoke any English, but I asked her if she was hungry. She nodded and I told her that I had made a reservation at A Figueira Rubaiyat for us. She understood this to and took my hand leading me out to the taxi line. Inside the taxi she snuggled up next to me in the backseat, kissed me and said "I like you". I had a very good feeling about her so far.

It seemed that she understood English quite well but didn't speak any English. It also seemed that she thought I couldn't understand a word of Portuguese. During this and my last trip to Sao Paulo I have improved my Portuguese, now understanding quite a bit. I don't speak Portuguese, but I can understand some. It took a little while before we both realized that I could speak English and she could speak Portuguese and we still could understand most of what the other said.

A Figueira Rubaiyat is a romantic restaurant and both the food and wine are very good. When we were shown the menu, Miss F initially only wanted a salad. When I told her that I was going to order the cherne she changed her mind and ordered salmon. It seemed to me that she didn't want to add to my expenses - thats why she first wanted the salad (another plus for her in my book). I asked her if she preferred white or red wine and even though I don't understand why anyone would drink red wine with salmon - I obeyed her wish and went for a bottle of Italian Barolo. After the main course we helped ourselves from the dessert buffet which was really great. I asked her for preferences for what kind of drink we should have at the hotel later - she answered champagne. She even suggested that we asked the taxi to take us to a shop she knew where they had some inexpensive champagne. I asked her if that would be on the way back to our hotel or if we needed to to take a detour. She answered that the drive would be a bit longer. So I decided to ask for the wine list again and ordered a bottle of champagne to go. The bill was R$650 including the bottle of red wine and the bottle of champagne.

In the taxi back to the hotel I had gotten so comfortable with her that when she asked me why I had picked her, I told her the whole story about the picture I had seen of her on the internet, how I had thought she worked at Jardim America and how I had made my friends look for her there. She wanted me to show her the picture and I promised to do so at the hotels business center.

When we got to the hotel, we called the reception for a bucket of ice and put the champagne to chill before I showed her the picture at the business center. She showed me some very recent photos of her on a site I hadn't seen before and still can't find back now.

When we got back to my room I opened the bottle of champagne and managed to spill champagne all over my shirt. What happened next was like in a bad movie - but kind of seductive when it happens for real. She helped me out of my shirt while she started to kiss me all over my upper body. She didn't stop when she had removed my shirt but continued with my pants, my socks and my underwear too. Then she turned on the television and found a channel that played music before removing her clothes in a slow striptease. Her body was amazing. She had obviously done years of hard training. Without clothes she looked like a well trimmed race car. Her breasts were fake but I don't think that needs to be a bad thing if they are in proportion with the rest of the body - and hers was. When she had removed her clothes she started to give me head - as agreed without condom and it was great. She obviously understood that this was something I liked in particularly and kept on for a very long time. Her eyes were on me during the whole act and she had this incredibly sexy look on her face - as if she loved what she was doing.

She was very aggressive in bed - taking all the initiative and with her strong, well trained body it would have been hard for me to fight her for the initiative. She literally fucked by brains out for four hours with some breaks in between to enjoy a glass of champagne. I have never had anyone that will even come close to her performance in bed. The only little negative point I have was that she wouldn't allow me to go down on her, but that was no big deal in my opinion.

Miss F left around 7 the next morning - and the vibes I got from her made me believe that she had a good time with me too. I got her phone number and promised to call her directly and not go through the Madame the next time I came to Sao Paulo. She also told me that she had a photo shoot for Sexy Magazine this day and told me to look out for the issue with her pictures. Then she left me with a kiss after I had given her the money.

As you can probably understand from what I have written this experience was beyond my wildest fantasies and Miss F was a pure 10 in every way in my opinion. To even compare her price to girls in the streets or even in WE seemed to me at the time like a really unfair comparison - there was no comparison. There should obviously be a difference too but since I now had managed to get her phone number, the next times I wanted her the price might not be that much higher than a night at WE would turn into. I even have her e-mail address now – so we are actually exchanging e-mails and hopefully will be doing so until my next trip to Sao Paulo.

I thought I had found perfection - that is until day 13 of this trip when I found a girl I now rate even higher than Miss F at WE. You will however have to wait until I have posted Day 13 to read about that if Nickster53 doesn't get ahead of me with his report from that day.

I would also like to add that I have gotten a lot of PM’s from guys wanting the Madame’s phone number or pictures of her girls. I will not give that out. I am not ready to disrespect Miss F or the Madame’s trust by doing that. I would however advice anyone interested in services from the Madame to contact Vatel69 on this board – and be ready for a mindblowing experience.

GK

Bubba Boy
12-11-05, 19:47
I have said it before and I will say it again, just excellent stuff Gk, just excellent.

Starfe
12-11-05, 20:51
GK,

That was ONE of your very best trip reports ever. One day you should post the magazine she is in without pointing out the woman.

Thanks and have a fantastic XMAS

Starfe

Comgo
12-12-05, 03:17
I recently went to a club that isn't talked about much on this board. Its name is Romanza in Vila Olympia. I'd suggest staying away since it's a drink scam place where they'll try to push and push for you to buy drinks for the girls at 90R/drink and more. I'd definitely give it a thumbs down and will not return to such a place. If anyone wants more information about it, just ask.

Member #4643
12-12-05, 05:14
Its a shame Comgo went to Romanza. The place has been written up as a rip off on the board before, and I can tell you that many foreign guys have lost a lot of money for nothing at Romanza. Too bad there is not a rip off section to the Brazilian board, as Romanza would be on top of the list. Not surprisingly, out of 10 or so trips to Sao Paulo, I have NEVER spent a week there without at least one taxi driver telling me how great the place is.

Next time that I am in Sao Paulo, I intend to do nothing but try clubs not on the ISG board and report back, Gaughan and Bahamas are great, but too expensive for my tastes. I haven't tried Photo or W, but they sound like great places to see eye candy but the Scotsman in me could never pay out that type of cash. Bomboa, when open, is usually fine, but Millenium has been dissapointing lately. We need new information! There must be hundreds of boites out there that we never discuss! And I intend to sample a few.

Comgo
12-12-05, 10:25
Its a shame Comgo went to Romanza. The place has been written up as a rip off on the board before, and I can tell you that many foreign guys have lost a lot of money for nothing at Romanza. Too bad there is not a rip off section to the Brazilian board, as Romanza would be on top of the list. Not surprisingly, out of 10 or so trips to Sao Paulo, I have NEVER spent a week there without at least one taxi driver telling me how great the place is.

Next time that I am in Sao Paulo, I intend to do nothing but try clubs not on the ISG board and report back, Gaughan and Bahamas are great, but too expensive for my tastes. I haven't tried Photo or W, but they sound like great places to see eye candy but the Scotsman in me could never pay out that type of cash. Bomboa, when open, is usually fine, but Millenium has been dissapointing lately. We need new information! There must be hundreds of boites out there that we never discuss! And I intend to sample a few.

You got it right; it was a taxi driver that talked me into going. The only thing I remembered reading about it from this board was that it was closed along with Millenium and Bomboa for a while, but a few people did talk about it being a bad place a while ago, I just didn't remember reading it. Oh well, the girl I took was actually very nice, it was the house and drink practices that were bad.

Genghis Khan
12-12-05, 16:10
Today was Saturday. Vatel69 had told me yesterday that another friend of his and fellow member of this board Nickster53 would earlier than planned in Sao Paulo from Buenos Aires. After the fantastic experience with Miss F last night and since Vatel69 had set up a date with Fernanda from WE with me from 10 the next morning, I was ready to just relax and gather strength today. I was not prepared to find a new girl for tonight. I slept until around noon and when I woke up I called Vatel69 and told him about the great experience Miss F had given me. He told me to come over to his apartment and meet Nickster53 who would be coming over shortly too.

When I got to Vatel69's apartment, Nickster53 had not arrived yet. I gave Vatel69 a full update on last night and after a while Nickster53 showed up with his date from last night - Fernanda. Shortly after Fernanda left us and the remaining three left the apartment and took a taxi towards Moema. We would have lunch at a restaurant/bar called Juarez where Vatel69 and Nickster53 had been before. When we got there it was packed but we managed to get a table in a corner by the window with a nice view of the scenery.

We started off by having beers and some grilled skewers of meat while Nickster53 and I catched up on what we had been doing the last week. Vatel69 was on the phone obviously trying to get us some company. I had told him that I wasn't going to have sex today and he assured us that there would be no pressure to take any of the girls. Some nice company with our drinks and food in the beautiful weather wouldn't be bad - I thought. Two girls arrived first and Vatel69 told me that these girls were meant for him and Nickster53. My girl would arrive later. He had tried to get girls that would match our preferences he said. When the two girls arrived they started to drink Caipirinhas and Nickster53 and I did the same. After a while the third girl arrived. She was a quite good-looking morena called Dyana. She was in my opinion clearly the best looking of the three girls, but to have sex with her still was nowhere near popping into my mind. Dyana didn't want anything to drink and actually seemed kind of shy. Nickster53 and I started to get drunk. Vatel69 who had only had beers so far, called for a bottle of scotch they kept for him at the restaurant. So all three guys started to drink scotch. This was not a good idea - because we obviously had already been drinking enough. We spilled whisky all over the table a couple of times and were quite noisy. We got angry looks from the waiters and Dyana told us to calm down. It was all a bit embarrassing. I decided to straighten up my act and stop drinking. This seemed to attract Dyana. Later she told me that she thought I had done this in order to "take care of her". The alcohol had affected my mind so within minutes Dyana and I were kissing. After about six hours inside the restaurant, Vatel69 and Nickster53 sent away their girls and the rest of us took a taxi towards Liberdade where Vatel69 had planned for us to go to a karaoke bar.

In the taxi Vatel69 and I had had a heated argument fuelled by the alcohol about stopping at an ATM so I could withdraw some cash. We stopped at an ATM at Banco do Brasil, but that particular ATM wouldn't accept my Visa. The guys didn't have patience to turn the taxi around and go half across town to the only ATM I knew would accept my Visa, so we separated ways and Dyana and I took another taxi towards the ATM. When we got there the bank was closed because it had been robbed during the day. The alcohol was really getting to me now so we decided to go back to my hotel. When we got there I was really way too drunk to have any control of the activities in the bedroom. Dyana took the initiate and gave me a nice BBBJ before proceeding to try to mount me bare back. That woke me up from my alcohol doze and I pulled away and told her that this wasn't going to work - I was too drunk. This was an excuse, but I was not ready to have sex with a woman who would want to do it bare back. It was kind of scary. Shortly after I fell asleep and Dyana slept with me. In the morning she wanted to have my e-mail address and phone number. I gave her my e-mail but not my phone number. Then she kissed me and left around 8. I needed some more sleep before Fernanda was supposed to turn up at around 10.

After I got home Dyana has been all over me every time I log on to Internet Messenger. The fact that she wanted to have sex bare back and that she didn't require payment that night have kind of made me believe that she might not be a professional. I am not ready for any commitments with her, so when she told me that she wanted me to go to her hometown and visit her family the last time we talked on Internet Messenger - I blocked her.

GK

Vatel69
12-12-05, 18:06
For those asking for the madam´s contact. I do have contact for high end madams.
There are a few requirements in order to get access to them and please give your handle when emailing me.
The people only asking for pictures, sorry no deal.

Geriatno
12-12-05, 19:58
Prostitute tells all in bestseller
By Todd Benson
December 12, 2005
Reuters

Just two months ago, Raquel Pacheco was making a living as a high-end call girl, turning tricks with up to five men a day in an apartment in a swank neighborhood of Sao Paulo, Latin America's financial hub.

Back then she went by her nom de guerre, Bruna Surfistinha, or Bruna the Surfer Girl. She has since left the business and become a best-selling author who spends her days rushing to interviews, promoting her book on the radio and appearing on late-night TV talk shows.

Her book, "The Sweet Venom of the Scorpion: The Diary of a Call Girl," is a vivid account of the three years that the 21-year-old Pacheco spent selling her body for money. Written in the slang of a middle-class teen-ager from Sao Paulo, it is part diary, part blog and even offers how-to tips for readers looking to spice up their sex lives.

In just over a month, it has sold some 30,000 copies and is already in its third edition -- a huge success in a country where only a fraction of the population reads books. It also ranks third on Brazil's bestseller list for nonfiction books, neck and neck with international hits like "Freakonomics" by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner.

Though Brazil is the world's largest Roman Catholic country, sex is far from a taboo subject. Brazilians of all social classes frequently flaunt their sexuality, donning skimpy clothing even in formal settings. X-rated magazines hang in plain sight at newsstands. The government distributes free condoms as part of its AIDS prevention program. And prostitution is legal, although pimping is not.

Still, the book's success was a surprise to Pacheco, who turned to prostitution after running away from home when she was 17 and now lives with her boyfriend, a former customer.

"I thought people would be curious, not necessarily about my life, but about the life of a call girl," she said. "But I didn't think the reaction would be like this. I never thought I would be famous."

FROM BLOG TO BOOK

In truth, Pacheco was already flirting with fame before her book. Lonely and eager to vent, she started writing about her experiences with customers in a blog that became so popular it was profiled in several Brazilian magazines. These days the site (http://www.brunasurfistinha.com/blogs/) rarely focuses on sexual escapades, but it still gets about 20,000 hits a day.

It was the blog that drew publishers to Pacheco, who had boasted on the site that she was writing a book. She rejected three offers to put her story in print before finally signing with a small publishing house called Panda Books, which hired a journalist to help her organize her ideas into a book.

"Once I started reading the blog, I was hooked," said Marcelo Duarte, the book's publisher. "It had all the ingredients of a good soap opera -- family drama, love stories and lots of sex."

Duarte thought it would be popular with men, but he did not imagine that the story of a prostitute would be such a big hit with women, who have been buying the book in droves.

Still, Rosely Sayao, a psychologist who studies sexual behavior, said the book's popularity among women makes sense.

"The idea of a call girl, of a prostitute, is something that many women fantasize about," she said. "Women want to be a lover to their partner, and in many people's minds, a prostitute is someone who knows how to be the perfect lover."

The book has also raised eyebrows overseas. Duarte is in talks to publish it in Portugal and Spain, and is entertaining offers to sell the rights to turn it into a movie.

That possibility prompted one Brazilian web site to ask its readers in a survey who should play Pacheco on the big screen. The top pick was soap opera star Mel Lisboa, who became famous playing a teen-age vixen who seduced an older man.

With money in the bank and a bestseller on her resume, Pacheco says she plans to finish high school and go to college to study psychology. She also wants to find a job but worries she will have a hard time getting hired because of her past.

"I don't know if I'm going to be accepted," she said. "Even though I'm not a prostitute anymore, in some people's eyes I still am."

Brugal8
12-13-05, 06:13
Dear Vatel69,

I've Tried Sending U A Couple Of Pm's So I Can Receive Some Contact Info On The 3 High End Madames But I Have Not Got Any Answers Form U.

I Too Have A Couple Of Contacts Of High End Services That I Could Share With U And I Already Passed Some Info To Gk.

The Thing Is Is That This Type Of Service Is Available In Sp And Rio But There Is Not Much Info On Their Respective Boards.

So How Can I Go About Getting The Contact Info For The Three High End Madames For U.

Couple Of Questions:

What Are The Requirements These Three Madames Have?

What Is The Quantity And Quality Of The Girls?

What Are Their Rates (min-max) ?

Does She Have Cover Girls, Catwalk Models, Actresses, Etc..(no Need Of Names)?

P.s.:i Would Really Appreciate It If U Could Give More Info On These Three High End Madames Because These Are Amazing Services That Not A Lot Of Members Of The Forum Know About So Please Help Me Out.

Thanks In Advance Bro.

Monger#77
12-13-05, 11:01
How much do apartments (per month) and condominiums go for in this region?

SobeLizard
12-14-05, 04:02
How much do apartments (per month) and condominiums go for in this region?Let me know.

I will share expenses on a time share basis.

Full Throttle
12-16-05, 19:09
This is not an insult to Sao Paulo, because it remains one of my favorite places to be in the world. BUT, I don't find much of a comparison to Rio or Buenos Aires when considering a month's vacation.

Specificially speaking to the girls, the selection of fair-skinned types in Rio at the termas (not Meia Petaca or the beach or VM) is roughly equivalent to the clubs in SP.

Regarding prices, there have been a lot of reports of late about some of the higher-end choices. You will be able to find a lot of 200R and less choices, especially if you enjoy the clinicas. You might be able to squeeze and extra few days out of your budget.

And, about the city. To date, I haven't found anything that compares favorably to Buenos Aires. There are a couple of big parks, lots of churches, some museums, etc. There are several areas that are nice, but it is much more spread out that BA.

The night club environment is possibly better in SP, but not until later at night. In BA, there are a lot of fun happy hours around 5pm. In SP, I haven't noticed that as much. The fun doesn't seem to begin until after 10pm.

Most of the guys on this board travel to SP on business, then enjoy the nightlife. Conversely, a lot of the guys in BA and RIO either live there on purpose, or go for long vacations.

Maybe some respondents will show me that I'm dead wrong about this. That would be just fine.

FT

Genghis Khan
12-18-05, 21:09
At exactly 10 the phone woke me up from my sleep. The receptionist informed me that Fernanda was here. I was really hung over and in fact needed more sleep to recover, but what to do when such an amazing girl was waiting for me down in the lobby to spend the whole day and night with me. I told the receptionist to send Fernanda up to my room while I quickly put on some clothes. Within a couple of minutes there was a knock on the door - I opened and Fernanda met me with a kiss. She looked great. It was really nice weather today with about 28 degrees centigrade. Fernanda had dressed in denim shorts and a pink top with a deep cleavage. She had tied up the bottom part of her top just below her breasts showing her stomach and pierced navel. I asked her if she had eaten breakfast yet. She didn't understand - so we had to take out the dictionary again. She answered that she hadn't eaten breakfast. I ordered breakfast for two up to the room and asked Fernanda if she could enjoy herself watching TV or sitting outside on the balcony in the sun while I brushed my teeth and showered.

When I got out of the shower the breakfast was already made ready on a small table on wheels prepared for us by the hotel staff. I soon realized that we needed to do something today - some kind of activity - otherwise this would be a very long day. Although Fernanda was great, some of the excitement from the first day I met her was gone since I had already been with her twice. Our communication problem wasn't just charming anymore either. Fernanda still was a stunning girl and I didn't for a second regret agreeing with her for the whole day, but since our conversation didn't flow naturally we needed to do something together that didn't necessarily involve a lot of communication. I know - you would probably think - well get her to bed man - that’s why she is with you. The reason why I didn't was because I am a one pop a day kind of guy. I usually don't pop more than once a day and since I was quite hung over now - I wanted to save that for the evening when I would enjoy it more.

If I was asked what thing about Sao Paulo I dislike the most, it would have to be the limited alternatives you have during daytime if you are not there on business. The possibilities are very limited and this was a Sunday too - narrowing the options down even further. I wasn't ready to take her shopping. Even though I didn't mind spending quite a bit for her company - that’s where draw the line. Unless I have some kind of relationship with the girl, I will not take her shopping. Restaurants are great in Sao Paulo but its limited how much time we could use eating. Since Fernanda only liked meat and pizza, I told her I would like to take her to dinner at the churrascaria Vento Haragano, but what to do the rest of the day? In the end I suggested to her that we should go to the zoo and she had not been there before - so she was actually thrilled by the idea.

The taxi ride from my hotel to the zoo was about 40 minutes. The zoo is relatively large and is quite an interesting sight if you are a little interested in wildlife. Fernanda loved it and had actually brought her camera. She energetically kept snapping pictures of most of the animals and it was hard for me, who was not really enjoying my hangover in the intense sun, to keep her moving forward so we could eventually finish the sightseeing and hopefully find a spot in the shade. After about three hours we had went through the whole zoo and she was ready to go back to the hotel. Looking back at the visit to the zoo, I think Fernanda really enjoyed it and the appreciation was shown in bed in the evening. I enjoyed seeing her enjoying herself too. Even though the heat and the sun really wasn't what I would have preferred that day - seeing her enjoying herself so much made it all worth while. When the taxi approached the city, I asked her if she wanted to go somewhere for lunch, but she replied that we could order something to eat from room service. That was fine by me.

When we got back to the hotel we ordered some food from room service and ate on the balcony in my hotel room. After we had eaten we both wanted to take a shower after such a long time out in the sun. She showered first and I showered after she had finished. When I came out of the shower she was waiting for me in bed with just a towel around her waist. I wasn't dressed either so I joined her in bed with just a towel myself. She removed my towel and proceeded to give me a nice long BBBJ. While she did that she slipped out of her own towel in order for me to be able to play with her. After a while we moved into a 69. She was really soft, sensuous and sweet - very different from the raw energetic style of Miss F.

After our "session" Fernanda asked if I would like to join her down to the hotels pool. I told her that I was really tired and my hangover and headache could really need a nap. If she wanted to enjoy the sun for about two hours by the pool, I would enjoy a nap and we could meet later. I gave her the card key to my hotel room and went to sleep.

About three hours had passed when I woke up by Fernanda who jumped into the bed and kissed me. The time was now around 8, so after Fernanda had showered again I asked her if she was ready to go to Vento Haragano for dinner. She replied that she liked the food from room service - so she would prefer to stay at the hotel. That was fine by me.

The rest of the evening we ate, had sex, watched TV, had sex, watched TV, had sex etc. until 1 in the morning. Even though her vaginal muscle control was exceptional as I wrote during an earlier report, the sex really wasn't that great. The reason for this was that she had this routine she did every time. First BBBJ, then her on top with the same moves every time and then missionary. I didn't want to push her into doing something she didn't want to, so I accepted this but it was sort of a turn off - and I wasn't able to pop. We finally fell asleep around 1:30.

When I woke up she was already awake. I was turned on again since I couldn’t come last night. I went to the bathroom and washed myself before returning to bed. Then I asked Fernanda if she would give me a BBBJ. At first she didn't want to - she wanted to go home. I didn't need to push her hard to change her mind though. The BBBJ turned into a full sex session for about an hour. After this Fernanda and I showered and left my hotel room around 7:30. I took the taxi with her to an ATM first to withdraw money for her payment. Then the taxi left her off at W.E. and I returned to the hotel for some more sleep.

GK

Nickster53
12-20-05, 05:41
Day 3 started out slow. Patricia left around 8:00 and I caught up on some much needed rest. In the early afternoon I went over to Vatel69’s apartment that is when he told me that the girl that I was with the night before was Patricia, an unintentional repeat. I swear she sure looked different. Anyway, I hung around Vatel69’s in the afternoon and his girlfriend M came over and brought a friend Ihamara. Vatel69’s girlfriend spoke a little English and really struck me as pretty sharp. Ihamara was a tall (5’9”) blond and looked very young. She seemed very nice but also very quiet. I like girls that are a little more assertive and show some “spunk” and Ihamara was not that type. I also tend to go for some of the older girls and she looked so young. I asked M how old Ihamara was and she said she was 22.

The afternoon crept into the evening and we ordered some pizza and beer to have at the apartment. It was a very nice time chatting with two gorgeous women (I actually did a lot of smiling and head nodding). M asked if I liked Ihamara and wanted to take her to my hotel. Well, she wasn’t exactly what I would have chosen, but she was there, I was tired so I said what the hell, sure. In retrospect, this was a good decision. As we left the apartment M came over to me and said goodbye and put something in my pocket, it was three flavored condoms; boy, I really like that girl’s style. As Ihamara and I walked out on to the street, heading towards the hotel, I started paying a little closed attention to her and her body. I think in all my years, this girl had one of the best body’s that I have ever seen. We took a taxi to the hotel and I asked Ihamara if she wanted anything to drink. She said that no, she just wanted to take a shower and get comfortable. This was sounding good. She took off her clothes and started kissing and cuddling and headed into the shower. From the view that I had her body was incredible. All natural, well proportioned, well toned and about a C cup, again all natural. Her face was very young looking, sort of innocent the only thing that bothered me about her appearance was her hair, it was put up in sort of corn rows, and it wasn’t a good look on her.

After her shower, she settled down on the bed and started to give me an incredible soft slow BBBJ. She really seemed to enjoy going down on me, I started playing with her and before too long she was soaking wet. We traded positions and I licked her for a while until the wetness became so much we had to get a towel. We kept going back and forth on each other for about an hour and finally she got on her knees and said to “do it to me”. With all of the wetness it was an incredible sensation. We tried almost every position and finally I popped and was really spent. We took a shower together and then went to sleep.

At about 8:00 we woke up for another round, and another shower and spent time cuddling, kissing and touching each other. At about 10:00 Vatel69 called and said he and M were coming over and we should have some breakfast. Ihamara was really great, I paid her 400R for the night and it was well worth it. Again, she is not one that would have been my first choice, but turned out to be a real gem.

Genghis Khan
12-20-05, 14:38
Before I came to Sao Paulo on this trip, Vatel69 had made me aware of the site www.dreamcam.com.br. It features some great looking women among others Miss F (although her pictures don't do her justice and are a bit old) and Marcia Cavalcanti (a favourite of mine from W.E.). A new girl called Hiady Mansur was featured just before I left for Sao Paulo and I thought she looked great both on the pictures and on the live feed from dreamcam. I told Vatel69 that I liked her and we both searched the net for more pictures of her. While searching for her pictures I stumbled upon her on the escort site sexdreams. She was actually available through normal channels and we didn't need to go through a high-end madame to set up an appointment with her. Vatel69 called and set up a date with her while I watched the conversation on the live feed from dreamcam. The date was set for this Monday from around 7 until the next morning for R$600. Since the date was set up more than a week in advance it was in both her and my interest that the date was confirmed a couple of days before. Vatel69 had called and confirmed the date on Saturday when he, Nickster53 and I were in his apartment before we went to the restaurant Juarez in Moema.

After I had went to the ATM, paid Fernanda, brought her back to W.E. and gone back to my hotel, I went to sleep for a couple of hours. Around 11 the phone rang. It was Nickster53. He wanted to know how my day with Fernanda had been and invited me to come over to his room (we stayed at the same hotel) where he had company with Vatel69 and his girl Ihamara from yesterday. I showered and went over to his room where we caught up on the happenings from yesterday. Ihamara turned out to be the same girl I had met at Vatel69's apartment on Wednesday when Vatel69, M, Ihamara, Fernanda and I shared some drinks and pizza. Nickster53 needed to change some dollars to reais, so Vatel69 had made arrangements for him at the same agency I got my great exchange rate back on Saturday last week.

When the currency exchange was completed all four of us walked over to the churrascaria Angelica Grill to have lunch. This is the same restaurant I took Ailine and Vanessa to on Thursday. Angelica Grill has got a big buffet with different kinds of salads, sushi, sauces and all kinds of different appetisers. We ordered a Caipirinha each (I tried one with pineapple instead of lime - but didn't really care for it that much) and helped ourselves from the buffet. I have been to a few churrascarias during my trips to Sao Paulo now and really don't find them very different from each other. Some of them have a better wine list, bigger buffet and a larger selection of different kinds of meat but in general I think they are basically the same and the cheaper ones might be of better value than the most expensive. The service could differ a bit from place to place. Angelica Grill gets my full recommendation and the price is not that high. The dining hall is huge so if you are bringing a garota you will have no problems finding a quiet table by yourselves.

After the meal, Ihamara left us and went back to W.E. Nickster53, Vatel69 and I walked over to a cafe nearby where we could enjoy a cup of espresso out in the sun. While we had coffee Vatel69 informed me that all was set with Hiady Mansur. Nickster53 had arranged a date with the girl he met on his first day - Fernanda. Vatel69 recommended that we went to this Italian restaurant not far from our hotel. They served something called Polpettone, which he recommended. Vatel69 had to go to work, so Nickster53 and I went back to the hotel and retired back to our rooms for some sleep before the evening activities.

I woke up around 5 and after a shower and a shave I called Nickster53 and asked him if he wanted to come to my room for a drink. I still had some whisky left and the unopened bottle of Absolute Vanilla I had bought before my date with Miss F. Nickster53 told me that he had just gotten out of bed but he would be down once he had showered and put on some clothes. Around 6 Nickster53 knocked on my door. He called the reception to let them know he was in my room in case Fernanda showed up and didn't call him on his cell phone. We had some drinks and a few laughs. Around 7:30 the phone rang and the receptionist informed me that Miss Hiady was waiting for me. I told her to send Hiady up to my room. When I opened the door and let her into my room I was kind of disappointed. She didn't look as good now as she did on dreamcam. We told her that we would go to a restaurant later but had to wait for Nicster53's date before we left. I asked her if she wanted a drink and she did. Hiady was a fun loving girl. She claimed she was 21 but I think she must have been younger. Her energetic, sparkling and childlike character would suggest someone around 18, but I am not sure. Anyway there was something about her that didn't appeal to me. Time flew and it seemed that Fernanda wouldn't show up for Nickster53 after all when she called his cell phone and told him she would be at the hotel in about 30 minutes.

When she showed up we went down to the lobby and took a taxi to the restaurant. Hiady didn't speak any English while Fernanda spoke quite a bit of English. Since I don't speak much Portuguese the conversation was mostly done in English. Hiady didn't like that we spoke English and behaved a bit childish about that in addition to not behaving what I would call respectable. We were after all in a restaurant with other guests. The alcohol in my room and the wine with our food might have something to do with this. It was obvious that Fernanda was not comfortable in the company of Hiady and later Fernanda told Nickster53 that she didn't think Hiady looked good on us.

When we got back to the hotel, Nickster53 and Fernanda retired to his room while Hiady and I went to my room.

Sex with Hiady was nothing special - she had a great body but her general character had put me off and she only provided CBJ. She left around 7 the next morning. Her boyfriend was picking her up to take her to school. lol

GK

Nickster53
12-21-05, 03:44
I glanced at GK's review below and I don't think there is too much conflicting information so I will post my perspectives of the evening/day. I do most of the composition in Word to let spell check help me along the way, so here it is.

...“she turned out to be a real gem”. It is interesting what memories are there after a month and what are not. Monday Ihamara, the Divine Miss M, Vatel69 and I had breakfast at the hotel. After breakfast Miss M had some business and Ihamara stayed with Vatel 69 and I for the afternoon. I think she was staying at the rooms at WE and evidently hanging out with wu was preferable to going back there. She was great eye candy and really enjoyed hanging out with her. Later in the afternoon GK came over to the apartment and we shared war stories from the weekend. Later in the afternoon we all walked over to the Angelica Grill with for lunch. Ihamara left after lunch and GK and I decided that a walk around the mall would be our cultural activity of the day.

This is where some of the details of the week’s activities get a little fuzzy. I will reconstruct what I think I remember. I hope the days don’t conflict with GK’s account. He does a much better job at his chronicles than I do. I called Fernanda that afternoon and asked if she would be interested in going out to dinner with me and GK and his girl. She was very excited about going out and immediately said yes.

That evening I went up to GK’s room for a drink and to meet his girl, Hiady. We had a drink and GK received a call that his visitor was here. Hiady knocked on the door and we were greeted by a wild and lovely girl with a kiss and a hug. One of the raps that Fernanda has on the SP boards is that she is always late and this night was no exception. GK and I had a chance to get to know Hiady a little better; she loved to laugh and had several drinks with us. GK was going to have a good time tonight.

Fernanda showed up about 8:30 and we headed to a nearby Italian restaurant with the girls. It’s interesting the vibes that you get from the girls without anything being said. GK and I both picked up on them. The girls didn’t exactly hit it off. Dinner was fun but a little strained. When we got back to the hotel, Fernanda said Hiady was inappropriate at the restaurant and that we should go right to the room. I felt bad about leaving GK and Hiady at the taxi, but I knew GK would be very good that night and I would explain the next day what happened.

The night with Fernanda was as great as the first one. She was enthusiastic, and energetic. This girl loves sex, you name it, and she does it. She loves to give blow jobs and I am sure if I unloaded in her mouth she wouldn’t miss a beat. She likes you to go down on her and if she doesn’t reach an orgasm she is a great actress. She likes it hard and likes it in her ass. I can’t think of anyone that I have been with that was better. After an hour or so I finally popped and I am afraid that if I hadn’t she would have killed me. We took a shower and snuggled into the bed. In my first experience with Fernanda, I mentioned that if you leaned against her in bed, she would start all over again. Tonight, I was tired, and was careful about what I touched. I had a business meeting the next morning and needed rest.

The next morning I kissed her and told her to order breakfast and I would call her. Great night, great time and wonderful girl.

Nickster53
12-21-05, 05:03
I finished with my business after lunch and called GK to see how his night with Hiady went. As he reported, he was somewhat under whelmed. We walked over to the mall for some more Brazilian culture and called Vatle69 to meet us at the German restaurant for a beer. GK was hungry so we had a bite to eat. Vatel69 was having girl problems with the Devine Miss M so we watched the scenery and talked about women most of the afternoon. I had called Lucy, a tall brunette that I met at WE during the last time I was in Sao Paulo. Lucy is a pretty interesting girl that I had been corresponding with off and on for the last few months and we agreed to meet when I was in Sao Paulo. She worked at WE but didn’t feel that she was really that kind of person. This seems to be a pretty constant theme among many of the working girls. Lucy speaks excellent English and is a lot of fun to be around.

I left Vatel69 and GK at the German restaurant and went back to the hotel to clean up and get ready to take Lucy to dinner. I picked Lucy up at her apartment and we went to dinner at one of the smaller Familia Mancini restaurants (The small jazz club). It was a very nice setting with a jazz combo and a great Italian menu. We had a nice bottle of wine and very nice dinner. Being the practical person that I am, I asked Lucy about the financial arrangements of the evening. She said that she really didn’t want to talk about it and that it was not important to her. Not one to take this at face value, I insisted that we discuss this before we went to my room. Remember, this is the girl that I took out of WE for 600R (really a deal (kidding) since the normal all night rate is 1000R. So Lucy said that it would be the same as before…600R. Choking on my 80R bottle of Pinot Noir with the wine running out of my nose should have been an indication to Lucy that this was not exactly what I had in mind.

Lucy asked what I thought was fair and I told her about half of that number, 300R. She said, no that was impossible and Edison would not permit that. As a side note here, if this was the heat of the moment and I was in lust, the little head would have taken over and figured that it was less that 1000R as before. But no, bigger heads prevailed, or maybe the burning sensation from the wine ingested through my nose woke me up enough to say noooooo f’n way. I explained that I knew enough to know that Edison got a split when I took her out from WE but when I picked her up on my nickel and bought a dinner and wine, I deserved the split that Edison would normally get. In other words If she charged me 600R I would demand a 300R split so let’s just call it even at 300R. Now I am very fortunate that Lucy spoke English because I am not sure that I could have explained that with my Pimsleur level 3 Portuguese. Lucy was laughing so hard after my negotiation she said that she felt lucky that I was not going to ask her for a 150R split in the morning. Damn, I wish I thought of that.

We took a taxi back to the hotel and went to my room. Let me describe Lucy. She is tall, about 5’11”, maybe even 6’. She is a morena, dark hair, brown eyes and light complexion. She is a little older, 31 and seems to be fairly smart, but like most of the women in this profession a little screwed up in the head. She is a solidly built woman that is actually very strong (we wrestled a little). She is fairly aggressive in bed and has few restrictions although I didn’t try anal. When we got to the room she attacked me, pinned me to the bed and started giving me a blow job that I thought was going to take off my dick. I urged her to slow down a bit that we had plenty of time…didn’t we? She said she was sorry but she hadn’t had sex for two weeks since she was at her parent’s house and she needed a man. I told her that I think I qualified but if she kept sucking like that I may not be one for long. She laughed, took off her clothes and got into the shower.

When she came out of the shower, she lay down beside me and started some of the deepest DFK that I have ever had. She asked me to go down on her and I didn’t have to be asked twice. I started kissing her thighs and burrowed into her. She started moaning so loud that I was afraid that the room next door would come over. She wouldn’t let me up, I must have stayed at the Y for 30 minuted and I know she has at least 3 O’s. The last one she said “you can eat my pussy any time”. I felt that I needed a towel and a bib, but now it was my turn. We did all of the usual moves, she has a lot of energy and as she said, she really needed a man. I was very happy to be there on that day. We made love for about 2 hours and by the time I was finished, I was finished. It was good to see Lucy again.

In the morning we ordered breakfast in the room. Lucy had to leave early because she was moving to Rio. She said she was going to find a legitimate job and move away from Sao Paulo. We hugged, kissed and agreed to meet later in the day for lunch. I wanted GK to meet Lucy.

Azmitgom
12-23-05, 01:35
Last friday was Christmas' Red Lingerie party in "eu e elas". I arrived at about 5:30 pm. 125 R$ entry + all you can drink + small buffet. Went to shower and don a white bathrobe and slippers. Women's showers are close by, open, for all to see. Good start!

Inside the house 15 or so girls all in red lingerie, range 6-8, red balloons on the ceiling. Some men in bathrobe or just a towel around the waist. A blonde in a red nuisette shows me around. The bar, the sauna, the porn tv room. We take our beers in a quieter lounge to talk. Soon we start kissing, very gf-ish. When she starts handling my manhood (first time it happens to me in public) I decide to begin negotiations, She starts at 150-200, we settle for 100 R$. To get to the upstairs private rooms (69 R$...69 !) we cross the lounge with a big round bed where couples congregate to have sex or to watch.

I made a mistake : I didn't ask myself why she wore a red babydoll instead of tiny red bikinis like the others. Her belly was ruined by birthmarks and it spoiled it a bit. She was nice conversation and kind though. And she gave a great bbbj !

I stayed a while, after, had a couple of beers more, watched barebreasted girls dance on the small pole-dancing stage, and chatted with a couple of girls I should have chosen instead.

I don't like Sao Paulo very much but I'm sure I'll be back in the "Eu e elas" !

Nickster53
12-23-05, 05:50
GK and I met Lucy for lunch at the mall, Lucy is very good company and we all had a good time. She helped me get my cell phone working at the mall. GK and I decided that we would go to WE that night, so I told Lucy that I was going to go out with GK that evening. I think she was a little disappointed, in that she was moving out of her apartment and she would have like to had a nice hotel room to stay her last evening in Sao Paulo.

Lucy left us in the mall and GK and I spent some time taking in more of the local culture at the mall. We made plans to meet up later in the day to go to WE.

Al little background is in order before I get into what happened at WE. Remember Vatle69’s girlfriend, the Divine Miss M; from the first time that I set eyes on her, there was something about her. She flirted a bit and I told Vatel69 that I was in love, and since I was not above taking his cast offs, if she is available, I want her. He gave me some shit, and half joking, said that if I could find her, then I could have her. I sort of got wind that she and Ihamara were at WE the night before and might be working at WE that evening. So with that in the back of my mind, GK and I were heading to WE that night. Another piece of information was that the day that I first met Miss M, had terrible allergies and an awful cough.

GK and I met at the lobby of the hotel and took a taxi to WE. We wanted to get there fairly early, to beat the crowd and to get a good idea on which women were there. We arrived and Edison personally greeted each of us. Since GK had been there a lot in the prior week, he was welcomed like the valued customer that he is. Edison shook my hand and I mentioned that we had met several times at Jardin America and that I had only been to WE once before. I was amazed that he said yes he remembered that I was there the night of the football game. What a memory that guy has. I was truly impressed. It is no wonder that people drop so much money there. The service is great and they really do make you feel like a valued customer. The women aren’t too bad either.

GK and I walked around a bit then took a table downstairs near the door and the bar. It had a great view of the comings and goings. GK must have interviewed 6 women, most were very nice. I got up and went to the bar upstairs and saw Ihamara and the Divine Miss M at a table with some other girls and guys. I went over and said hello, Ihamara looked fantastic, she had her hair down and it really made all the difference in the world. Miss M also looked fantastic. I went back downstairs and sat with GK to watch the interviews, this was great fun.

About an hour later, Ihamara and Miss M came downstairs with a couple of guys, I was crushed, I figured my fantasy was not going to happen tonight. I set my sights on plan B which there were plenty of candidates there that night. I would say there were about 20 – 30 men and at least 40-50 women in there that night. The majority of the women on my mongering scale were in the 8 range +/- 1. I can’t say that I saw any 10’s nor any high 9’s but understand this is a very subjective scoring system. That said, I also didn’t see more that 1 or 2 that were what I would even give a 6 or below. I talked my version of Porte-nol, sign language, drawing and grunting to several girls that would all be candidates to a trip to the rooms, but none that I would be up for an 800R or 1000R take out meal.

Until the Devine Miss M came up and asked if she could sit down. No excuse, no nothing, just sit down and watch me make a fool of myself. Making a long story short, I paid 1000R to take her home with me. I was ready to give her my soul, my left nut (my right one is with a chica in Buenos Aires), and what ever else I owned. It wasn’t sex, it was just that this girl just did something to me. GK found a wonderful girl, Anna Paula and we were all very happy leaving WE. I think Edison was also happy, he said good-bye in an odd sound “ching-ching” or maybe folding money is more of a “shuffle-shuffle” sound. What ever he said there were a lot of happy people at that time.

GK, Anna Paula, the Divine Miss M and I went back to the hotel and went up to my room to have some wine, listen to music and talk, and look, and smile. I think passion got the better of GK and he left (yes he took the girl too), leaving Miss M and I alone. The first thing out of her mouth was “no sex, just talk”. She was smiling so I knew she was kidding (Wasn’t she?). I was infatuated with her, we hugged we kissed we cuddled, and I knew it was going to be a good night. Then she started to cough.

I don’t think she was putting on (or at least my ego will not let me admit otherwise). She literally coughed all night. There was no way I was going to have sex with her tonight, there was not even going to be talking…hell there wasn’t even going to be any sleeping. The coughing lasted all night. We went down to the restaurant at 7:00 AM and she stopped coughing long enough eat breakfast, tell me she was sorry, that she enjoyed meeting me and not to tell Vatel69 what happened. Shit, Vatel69 what had I done? Vatel69 and I have known each other for about 3 years and he is a good friend. I just spent 1000R to take out his girl for a night of wild sex and what happened. I didn’t screw her, I screwed him. No sex, no talk, no sleep and only 1000R. Let’s see... the last 3 nights were cheaper, I got sex and I got sleep. What in the hell just happened?

Genghis Khan
12-23-05, 11:47
I woke up at around 11 and showered. Nickster53 called me and asked me how my night had been with Hiady. I told him that I really wasn't that impressed. He asked me if I wanted to join him to Shopping Higienopolis. He had already made arrangements to meet Vatel69 at the German bar on the top floor. We agreed to meet down in the lobby in about half an hour.

When we got to the mall Vatel69 hadn't arrived yet, so we decided to take a stroll around the mall to have a look at the great looking girls hanging around or working at the mall. Its amazing how much beauty exists in this country and even though its a country of great poverty and the standard of living is low compared to the western world, most women I have met in Sao Paulo or Rio really know how to present themselves with clothes, hair and makeup. In this regard they are equal to their western sisters. Their natural beauty however is something the western sisters can only dream about. No competition - in my opinion.

After a while Vatel69 called and told us he was on his way, so we went up to the German bar and ordered a beer and waited for him. I had not had any breakfast or lunch yet, so when Vatel69 turned up I ordered some German sausages with my beer. Nickster53 told us that he had already set up a date with one of his former girlfriends from Jardim America called Lucy. Before I came to Sao Paulo this time both Nickster53 and Vatel69 had encouraged me to try Lucy too, pointing out to me that she was my type. Since I had already set up a date with Hiady and wanted to arrange something with the Madame, I thought I would not set up one more date with someone I didn't have a chance to meet first.

A couple of hours later - after we had enjoyed looking at the women passing by and just relaxing - Nickster53 left us and headed back to the hotel to get ready for his date with Lucy. I asked Vatel69 if he would join me to dinner and then to W.E. later in the evening. He answered that we could go to dinner together but he was occupied during the evening and couldn't make it to W.E. with me. I went back to the hotel and Vatel69 promised to call me around 7 and then we would go to dinner - I was ready for some Japanese food and Vatel69 agreed. We separated ways and I went back to the hotel for some sleep.

Vatel69 called at around 6:30 and told me to come by his apartment before dinner. When I got there he wasn't ready yet and he asked me to come up to his apartment and have a drink while he got ready. Vatel69 had already started on the whisky and asked me if I wanted to have a drink too. One drink turned into many while Vatel69 showed me quite a few escort girls he knew on the Internet. Time flew and if I was going to make W.E. before it got too crowded I actually had to go without dinner. Vatel69 had some other things to take care of so I left him and took at taxi to W.E.

When I entered the bodyguard recognized me and welcomed me. Inside Edson was waiting for me and actually gave me a hug. Then he asked me - "Fernanda?". I had no intention of taking Fernanda for a fourth time this trip so I answered the best I could - "outra garota". It seemed Edson was a bit surprised that I could speak or understand any Portugese at all - so he asked me "fala Portuguese?". I tried to tell him by sign language that I understood a little but spoke virtually no Portuguese at all. The waiter who had served me on my other visits last week came over to me shook my hand and showed me to a table on the second floor. I was a bit too late to get a table on the first floor. I prefer sitting downstairs because this really gives a better view of who is present and the coming and going of the girls. The waiter brought over my bottle of whisky and I ordered some "bolinhos de bacalhau" to compensate for the lost dinner.

W.E. was packed this night and I couldn't see anyone that caught my attention. Fernanda noticed me and came over to say hello, so did Andrea and Juliana who I had met last week. Andrea even told me that she had noticed that I didn't like to do repeats and I answered that it was true because I didn't like to get feelings involved. Vatel69's Miss M and Ihamara was present too and came over to exchange some words.

Looking around on the second floor, there were only two girls I initially thought as prospects for a take out. Both were busy with other customers. One of them passed me on the way down to the first floor and when I took a closer look at her she fell out of the take out category too. That left only one girl - and she looked really hot. She was an Asian/South American mix with big fake breasts and a great smile with a perfect row of teeth. After a while it became apparent to me that the customer she was talking to really wasn't that interested in her and that she was just passing time with him. I made eye contact with her and motioned her over to my table. She immediately came over and sat down beside me.

She didn't speak any English - so communication was a problem. She seemed nice though and had a drink from my whisky bottle. I tried to tell her that I wanted to take her out and wrote on a napkin the time interval from that point until the next morning and asked her if she would join me to the hotel. It seemed as she understood but just shook her head. Initially I thought she didn't understood what I wanted and tried to tell her in a different way - but got the same reaction. After a while she just left my table and went back to the other customer. This really puzzled me and got me a little bit upset too. Had I been ditched or would she just do guys in house?

Shortly after a tall, slim blonde with big breasts appeared. She hadn't been present earlier during the evening. I immediately called her over to my table and she introduced herself as Cinthia. She seemed like a "match" too and I showed her the same napkin I had shown the previous girl and asked her if she wanted to come with me to the hotel. She nodded. She didn't speak much English either, but it seemed that she at least understood this. The bill was R$907 and this puzzled me a bit because a take out all night is normally R$1000 and I had some food and some red bulls too. It really didn't add up but who was I to complain when getting a reduced price - I thought.

Cinthia and I took a taxi back to my hotel. When we got there she seemed worked up and exited about something but she didn't say anything. We had great sex for about one and a half hour where she in the end urged me to come - I thought. I turned out that what she was really urging for was food. After sex I let her order an omelette from room service. While she ate she also started to dress - even down to her shoes. So I asked her if she was leaving - and she answered "sim". I got upset and reminded her about our deal for all night. She then told me in broken English that she had thought all night would be tomorrow night - she had work as a nurse early next morning and really couldn't stay longer. I started to realize why the price had been R$907 now. I had only paid for 2-3 hours which is R$800. With the food and the drinks it would make it right. I still was a bit upset though because if I had known that she would not stay the entire night, I would have chosen another girl. I told her about this and that I would talk to Edson about this tomorrow. She started crying and stormed out of the room.

What I learned from this is that even though the girl seems to understand your requirements for choosing her - have her confirm it by repeating them back to you.

GK

Member #4643
12-24-05, 16:38
I am curious. Has anyone on this board made attempts at picking up a non or semi pro in SP? I find girls who work restaurants and other minimum wage jobs to be as easy as can be in most places. What about Sao Paulo, my favorite haunt, where I have never really tried to pick up freebies (the vibes always felt bad). In theory, Sao Paulo ought to be perfect for this!

Tell us your stories if you have them. Some of us need them to balance out all of the tales of high end girls whom we cannot afford (but certainly appreciate the stories, nevertheless).
F

Prosal
12-24-05, 17:12
" Has anyone on this board made attempts at picking up a non or semi pro in SP?"


All the time. Sao Paulo is IMO the best place in Brasil to pick-up high quality non-pros.

Regular women are MUCH more approachable in Sao Paulo than in Rio, as they don't have the "I'm a Zona Sul goddess" snobish and arrogant attitude that most of the middle/upper class Carioca bitches have. Paulistas are often educated, open minded, easygoing, interesting (they seem to be the only people in Brasil who travel abroad) and even in the upper classes, friendly. Yet you have to be in harmony with their cultural tastes, more progressive than in other parts of Brasil : per exemple, the rock and alternative scenes are VERY big in SP, most people in SP consider axe/bahiana music as total crap (I agree !), and it helps A LOT to be able to talk about bands like Raimundos, Capital Initial, Charlie Brown Jr, Legiao Urbana, Titas, Cassia Heller, ect, HIGHLY popular among Paulistas.

Anyway I've posted last month in this thread a list of my personnal favorite regular places in SP (most are live music venues in Pinheiros and Itaim) ; maybe the "SP Directory" is a better place for this kind of stuff, so I put it also there today.

Cheers

Sui Generis
12-25-05, 04:20
I am curious. Has anyone on this board made attempts at picking up a non or semi pro in SP? I find girls who work restaurants and other minimum wage jobs to be as easy as can be in most places. What about Sao Paulo, my favorite haunt, where I have never really tried to pick up freebies (the vibes always felt bad). In theory, Sao Paulo ought to be perfect for this!

Tell us your stories if you have them. Some of us need them to balance out all of the tales of high end girls whom we cannot afford (but certainly appreciate the stories, nevertheless).
F

On my last trip, in September 2005, I met non pros in different and fairly unusual locations.

One of them (late 30's, long blonde curly hair and endowed with nice racks) was working in a bookstore in Pinheiros (I won't disclose which one because, being a non pro, I prefer to preserve her anonymity). One of the purposes of my trip (besides an International Congress) was to replenish my collection of Brazilian books (mostly literature, poetry and philosophy) and dictionaries. (I am also a free-lance translator). Besides bilingual dictionaries (Français/Portugais; Português/Francês) and specialized dictionaries (dialects spoken in the North East - o nordeste - and in Rio Grande do Sul) I was also looking to find a good general dictionary and I found one: Dicionário Houaiss da Língua Portuguesa

http://www.dicionariohouaiss.com.br/index2.asp

I think it was my lucky day, because when I went to the cashdesk in order to pay my purchases, I noticed that she was reading a novel in French! Well, being a French Canadian I had good grounds to engage a conversation with
her in French...and it worked out pretty well.


I met another one in a jazz club in Moema and finally I met a young woman (mid 20's) in the Iguatemi shopping Center while I was purchasing perfumes for me and my wife. She was selling perfumes. To be honest with you I didn't have sex with the last one but, however, I did spend a nice evening with her (she invited me to a famous restaurant in Sampa : The Spot).

In order to answer your question, I could reply this: non pros can be find anywhere in Sampa.

I'm leaving to Sampa later this week (tonight is Christmas Eve and I am working my usual shift in a homeless center in Montreal...my humble way to help the poors). I will come back with few reports. I will have less chance to spend time with non pros or escorts because my wife is coming with me....Damn! (Hush! My Brazilian GF is not even aware that I will be in Sampa...)

For a change, I will concentrate on different aspects of the city.

Sui Generis
12-25-05, 04:53
When I travel I like to mingle with the crowd, with the natives of the city I visit. For this reason I eat where they eat.

Did you ever have a lunch in a lanchonete? (You know these popular (proletarian) and cheap restaurants where you can eat for less than $R10 or R$15?. These restaurants are also very small, they are habitually longer than larger and are furnished with wood and chairs tables. The menu is written on a chalk board and sometimes there is a couple of tables outside the lanchonete).

I've tried several of them in different barrios (for lunch) and I was always very satisfied with the quality of the food. I even discovered a plate I dind't know before: Virada paulista......(yum-yum!). It is habitually served on Mondays.

I'm asking you this because on my last trip I was with two French colleagues and they refused to try this kind of restaurant. Have you ever try or would you dare to try lanchonetes?

Happy Christmas to all of you!
Joyeux Noël à tous!
Feliz Natal a todos!

Orgasm Donor
12-25-05, 10:51
Thanks for your reports guys... but I have a couple questions...

What is "WE"? and what and where is it?

and..

You paid $1000 Reais for an all nighter? and one of them you didnt even bang? Please clarify.

I had a TLN last year for $150 Reais... 2hour session with an escort is $150...

This "WE" place sounds interesting, but I will avoid it at all costs if it means spending $1000!

or have prices gone up that much in a year?

OD

Sui Generis
12-25-05, 11:49
Thanks for your reports guys... but I have a couple questions...

What is "WE"? and what and where is it?

This "WE" place sounds interesting, but I will avoid it at all costs if it means spending $1000!

OD

WE is owned by the former owners of W and Jardim América. WE stands for: Washington and Edson, but it could easily stand for Waste of your Economy. Girls ask R$600 (2 hours) and a bottle of Red is $350.


W.E - Rua Peixoto Gomide,269
Tel: (11) 3231-2555


In Sampa you can still have an escort for R$150. But habitually these are promotional rates. I am tempted to say that the current price for an escort (a good looking one, of course) is $R200.

I was told by my mentor and «role model» - a GP Guia emblematic member with more than a thousand posts - that I should never pay more than R$200 in Sampa. I've learned my lesson but other mongers are free to do what they want. If they can afford to spend that amount of money, good for them.

Full Throttle
12-25-05, 15:26
Any idea if this establishment in particular will be open on New Year's Day?

How about Kilt?
Cocktail?
LoveStory?
All Black?
Bourbon Street?
Bomboa (if it's open at all)?

Thanks!

FT

Jaimito Cartero
12-25-05, 16:15
When I travel I like to mingle with the crowd, with the natives of the city I visit. For this reason I eat where they eat.

Did you ever have a lunch in a lanchonete? (You know these popular (proletarian) and cheap restaurants where you can eat for less than $R10 or R$15?. These restaurants are also very small, they are habitually longer than larger and are furnished with wood and chairs tables. The menu is written on a chalk board and sometimes there is a couple of tables outside the lanchonete).


I ate at a few of these places in Rio on my month there this summer. Other than a lot of smoking at the counter, it was good food, and at 4-8R, certainly a bargain.

Nickster53
12-26-05, 05:20
Thanks for your reports guys... but I have a couple questions...

What is "WE"? and what and where is it?

and..

You paid $1000 Reais for an all nighter? and one of them you didnt even bang? Please clarify.

I had a TLN last year for $150 Reais... 2hour session with an escort is $150...

This "WE" place sounds interesting, but I will avoid it at all costs if it means spending $1000!

or have prices gone up that much in a year?

OD
I think Sui Generis gave you an excellent answer about what WE is. It is a very expensive place and rather than re-start discussions on the pros (sorry I just had to say it) and cons, let's just say that everyone to their own tastes. I have had good experiences and bad experiences at WE. It is a very interesting place but it is among the top clubs that I can get into as far as price. I understand that there are some very exclusive private clubs that make WE seem like a bargain.

As far as costs in Sampa, I have only been to WE a few times and the last time I was there was the first that I actually paid 1000R. Outside of WE I typically pay around 300R for all night and probably around 150 -200R for short time (2 hours).

Coming away without sex with the girl from WE was an unfortunate incident, the girl was actually sick. I probably could have complained to Edison about it, but I did not go back to WE during my trip.

As far as prices in Sampa going up, I have been going there three of four times per year and the only thing that seems to change is the exchange rate. If the prices have gone up, it doesn't seem too dramatic.

Sui Generis
12-26-05, 19:46
Any idea if this establishment in particular will be open on New Year's Day?

How about Kilt?
Cocktail?
LoveStory?
All Black?
Bourbon Street?
Bomboa (if it's open at all)?

Thanks!

FT

Eu e elas will held its New Year's Party on December 30th. It will be closed on New Year's Day.

Ueba! Love Story will be open :it gonna rock!!!!!! (If my wife is in the mood, I'll be there!)

Bourbon Street will be open.

All Black (Irish Pub) is closed since December 24th and will reopen on January 5th 2006.

These venues will be closed on New Year's Day : Tivoly Night Club; Cafe Millenari; American Show; Conniff American bar; Bomboa (yes it's open but they are closed every Sunday);

Sui Generis
12-26-05, 20:49
I've observed while reading this forum that most of the restaurants listed on this board are (mostly) serving Italian cuisine or are churascarias. Personally I like very much churascarias (I posted a couple of months ago the link of a fine one: Vento Haragano)

But, according to me, if you visit Brazil you must try at least the cuisine from Minas Gerais.

Here's a link to a very good one in this category:

http://www.consuladomineiro.com.br/cardapio.asp

It's not too expensive and there is a very large selection of cachaça (the pride of Minas Gerais!)

They have two locations in Pinheiros.

Genghis Khan
12-27-05, 07:27
I agree with the poster below, Brazilian food should be tried when in Sao Paulo. Its quite inexpensive compared to the restaurants serving foreign food. Here is the best Minas Gerais restaurant in Sao Paulo voted by a unified press several yeras in a row: http://www.tordesilhas.com/

GK

Drdolittle
12-28-05, 15:53
Sui Generis is correct in the assessment of Club We, Edison and Washington are masters of taking a village or farm girl; lets say a strong 4 and turning her into a 8 and getting some poor sucker to pay 600r for 1 hour plus cost of entrance, drinks (no freebees or drink credits) and room.

Edison and Washington are nice hospitable guys the food is good and the rooms are nice, however don't leave home without your American Express.

Edison and Washington don't let many ugly girls work there so you get a nice visual presentation, like at all of their other clubs. my personal favorite was Jardins America now owns by Fernando.

I have personally had many bad experiences with girls from there and the biggy for me is the cocaine abuse that is apparent with some of the girls,

There was some Japanese guy there with a razor blade necklace that was very popular with the girls, hell at first I thinking he was a high roller but I realized the high part was correct anyway.

Second is that when you get down to the bare facts what you see downstairs isn't what you get upstairs.

I had my last session with a girl that went into the bathroom 1 min before we had sex and you could hear her tooting it up then came out of the bathroom draining and trying to get it back up in her nose. Ouch.

With her hard ass glued up fake hair. her fake tits and a well hid half ass body; by the time she came out of the bathroom well? you guessed it.

If you ever had sex with a girl coked out. It sucks she just laid there enjoying her high as i'm trying to bust a nut and go.

So! no nut needless to say, I don't go there anymore, at least not more than twice a year for more punishment.

Ok before I get the bashing from the members that don't like my harsh opinions and insight. Chuckles

Edison and Washington have hair and makeup people on staff to make the girls look as good as possible, hair extensions (where they glue hair to the back of their head to make them look like they have long hair) makeup and a nice dress or clothes to make them look as good as possible and i suspect that a boob job for the good earners is alway a nice perk!

Edison and Washington let the girls work the clients, a very big one is the room selection. The even have a presidential suite that I think brings 1,500 per night which means that if you get that room you will be in it alone after an hour or less chuckles, unless you are hooked or real drunk. They don't call them hookers for nothing.

The hook is that if we get a better room then I will give you a better time and after a few Johnny Walkers, your dick gets hard and your brains get soft.

Drinks and Champagne, which is common in most clubs so along with some type of hair and makeup person, just not nearly as good as Edison and Washington's staff

So to be fair about it Edison and Washington have a nice place with a few diamonds, It is a little pricey but not too bad.

It is a experience that is above average and I would still give WE a 6 on total experience. just go for the cheapest room and watch your wallet and consumption.

The doctor has spoken.


WE is owned by the former owners of W and Jardim América. WE stands for: Washington and Edson, but it could easily stand for Waste of your Economy. Girls ask R$600 (2 hours) and a bottle of Red is $350.

W.E - Rua Peixoto Gomide,269
Tel: (11) 3231-2555

In Sampa you can still have an escort for R$150. But habitually these are promotional rates. I am tempted to say that the current price for an escort (a good looking one, of course) is $R200.

I was told by my mentor and «role model» - a GP Guia emblematic member with more than a thousand posts - that I should never pay more than R$200 in Sampa. I've learned my lesson but other mongers are free to do what they want. If they can afford to spend that amount of money, good for them.

Genghis Khan
12-28-05, 18:26
Dr. Doolittle,

For someone knowing so much about Edson and Washingtons business, I would guess that you know his name is Edson and not Edison - right and that their previous club was called Jardim America and not "Jardins America". That club is closed now btw.

I have been there a lot of times and only once have I noticed behaviour that seemed like it involved drugs. I am positive there are individuals on coke in any of the boites in Sampa. W.E is probably not any worse than the other boites.

I have never stayed less than the 2-3 hours inside a room at W.E.

I have been with quite a few of their girls and none had "glued" hair.

I have never heard from any of my friends that frequent W.E. quite a lot or experienced the pressure to get a big room that you are talking about. In fact there is no hard sell at all - the is one things that makes people go back.

I think you should check your facts before posting this kind of slander. I agree that W.E. is expensive and not for everyone, but this is uncalled for.

GK

Full Throttle
12-28-05, 23:00
Thanks, SG...

Okay, how about Kilt?
O'Malley's?
Deep Augusta clubs (Balneiro, etc.)?

Is LoveStory REALLY going to be that happening the night of the 1st/ morning of the 2nd? I'm thrilled to hear that, I just want to make sure I didn't mislead you with the dates.

FT


Eu e elas will held its New Year's Party on December 30th. It will be closed on New Year's Day.

Ueba! Love Story will be open :it gonna rock!!!!!! (If my wife is in the mood, I'll be there!)

Bourbon Street will be open.

All Black (Irish Pub) is closed since December 24th and will reopen on January 5th 2006.

These venues will be closed on New Year's Day : Tivoly Night Club; Cafe Millenari; American Show; Conniff American bar; Bomboa (yes it's open but they are closed every Sunday);

Sui Generis
12-29-05, 18:43
Thanks, SG...

Okay, how about Kilt?
O'Malley's?
Deep Augusta clubs (Balneiro, etc.)?

Is LoveStory REALLY going to be that happening the night of the 1st/ morning of the 2nd? I'm thrilled to hear that, I just want to make sure I didn't mislead you with the dates.

FT

O'Malley's will be open as usual

http://www.omalleysbar.net/home.htm

Hum...watching the Rose Bowl from O'Malley's....it's what we call exotic!

I don't know if the Kilt will be open (Yeaks! I don't want to know what we can see behind an open kilt......)

LoveStory; the party I am referring to is of course the night of the 31 to the wee hours of January 1.