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John Gault
06-23-10, 01:00
I will be relocating to Colombia from the USA very soon, and can't wait. My wife is Colombian from the cost and that's where she is intending in living and feels strongly about. I, on the other hand have something else in mind. I am planning on mongering on the side of course and dread the cost. First, Cartagena is expensive for my budget real estate, mongering wise, and the heat of course. Barranquilla is not attractive, and the heat is unbearable. As for my taste, I adore paisas and think that maybe where I will settle. However, my wife insists on living on the cost preferably Barranquilla.
I find my self to be fortunate to be able to stay in good health after some tough long years of hard work in the States, I finally called it quits and decided on living permanently in Colombia.
What you dear folks recommend to this poor fellow.If I were you I would live in MDE as the other places are to hot.
You said you worked long and hard so then you make the choice not her. Since you now will be living in Colombia, you are the new boss . In the USA the women have a lot to say. That is in the past for you.
Good luck and don't get caught.
Dick Driven
06-23-10, 01:11
Phunluv,
I think you hit it on the head. Tipping customs vary from country to country. On my first trip, I didn't know what I was doing and tipped generously so as not to get dirty looks. I didn't know I was overtipping until my local amiga told me so.
I think it would be most useful if we added a customary tipping section to the "lists" so newbies know what they are doing first time and not turn this country into another CR!Yes I also think this is an excellent idea, No one that is new to Colombia has all this information up front. We are almost programed to tip in North America.
I had a local amiga from the start, and I was very surprised by how small of a tip she thought was appropriate.
A customary tipping section would be a big help. I vote for Bango to put it together.
Bango Cheito
06-23-10, 04:40
I have never asked nor cared about BB action. If a girl provides BBBJ I guess a tip would be appropriate in that circumstance.
I never tip WGs, I didn't do it in the US or any country and I wouldn't do it in Colombia. I negotiate a price for what I want how I want it and we are both satisfied. If a girl went above and beyond ordinary service I'd tip her. But it would have to be something really really special. The girls in those places typically charge 30 to 50 depending on what they think they can get. If you settle on a price with her it's because she'll be satisfied with that price.
Likewise if my taxi driver drives like even MORE of a maniac and gets me somewhere on time when I'm running late, or helps me lift heavy shit in and out of the taxi I'd give something extra. For normal service NEVER. I think the 1500 peso night surcharge is already fucking outrageous. Used to be 600 then 1000.
In my neighborhood corrientazos are from 3200 to 6000 pesos. There are lots of real good ones for 4000 and 4500. Hot dogs or burgers are 4k. A big mixed grilled at an asadero that feeds two people should be like 15-20k.
Restaurants with receipts usually add 10% to your bill. But those places are not exactly the norm outside of the rich areas.
Bango Cheito
06-23-10, 04:41
As far as inviting, in any Latin country whoever invites pays. If the decision to go out is mutual both parties chip in. If a girl invites me out she ALWAYS pays.
If I were you I would live in MDE as the other places are to hot.
You said you worked long and hard so then you make the choice not her. Since you now will be living in Colombia, you are the new boss . In the USA the women have a lot to say. That is in the past for you.
Good luck and don't get caught.Thanks Vics, I really appreciate your comments. I think you are right on the money, I like Medellin too. As for my Costena wife, she has a temper and she likes to be in control, I don't know if her attitude will change in Colombia, I doubt it. She always plays the sexo card on me to get her way and she always win. Can't afford the gringas here with their shitty attitude and exorbitant prices.
Do you know by any chance how can I go about finding an apartment to rent in Medellin and what do you suggest the best way to go about it? Renting a hotel room first and check locally? Or go online and rent through a real estate agent? How do you compare the rent or real estate prices in general in Medellin v. S Barranquilla?
Thanks a lot, this is a very broad subject actually and any member can chip in.
Yes I also think this is an excellent idea.
A customary tipping section would be a big help.
I vote for Bango to put it together.That's funny.
Here's the Bango tipping guide:
Don't tip.
Well, we've got two general ideas on tipping the girls.
One:
I never tip WGs, I didn't do it in the US or any country and I wouldn't do it in Colombia. I negotiate a price for what I want how I want it and we are both satisfied.Two:
I tip to benifit me. I learned this from my father many years ago. He would over tip the same waitress in our favorite resturant and we would get great service and always a free desert. Fellows life is short, why not make people happy and at the same time feel good about yourself.There's your tipping guide.
There are no rules or customs, it's just how you view things.
Personally, I'm into theory number 2.
Nothing over the top, but even a small tip for good service is appreciated.
It's just really not that difficult to figure out.
If I were you I would live in MDE as the other places are to hot.
You said you worked long and hard so then you make the choice not her. Since you now will be living in Colombia, you are the new boss . In the USA the women have a lot to say. That is in the past for you.
Good luck and don't get caught.Very well put!
Make YOUR decision and go for it. Looks like Medellin.
If you've never been to Colombia, how do you know what the "going rate" is? Are you going to find it by reading a fact sheet? Is the going rate what the mansion rate is? You should go to Mayorista and pay the mansion rate? If you've never been to Colombia, what the "appropriate tip" is? Like I said, it varies from country to country and takes experience..
It would be great to keep everyone informed so people don't overtip or undertip because there is no universal standard.Why are we making tipping into rocket science?
Actually there is a universal standard.
If a girl treats you badly, without any enthusiasm, etc ... No tip.
If a girl takes good care of you and showed you some love ... a SMALL tip.
If a girl treats you with a nice GFE and enthusiasm ... a BIGGER tip if you like.
If you subscribe to the Bango Cheito tipping guide ... No tip.
Use your noodle as to what a small tip and a big tip are. Appropriate to the price of the session.
Everywhere I've been, and I've been to a lot of places, this works.
Good luck
... As for my Costena wife, she has a temper and she likes to be in control, I don't know if her attitude will change in Colombia, I doubt it. She always plays the sexo card on me to get her way and she always win ...Looks like your Costena learned the 'American woman way' ehhh?
I'm glad for you that you're moving back to Colombia irregardless of the city you choose.
It'll make her using the 'sexo card' difficult since you can easily find it elsewhere.
Good luck
Looks like your Costena learned the 'American woman way' ehhh?
I'm glad for you that you're moving back to Colombia irregardless of the city you choose.
It'll make her using the 'sexo card' difficult since you can easily find it elsewhere.
Good lucklol yeah Ricker. I have scenarios here:
1- live on the cost and make her happy and get away from her whenever I want to go Medellin using various excuses.
2- Live in Medellin and just limit myself to day time casas.
What you and vics think?
I also ask a girl directly "are you good"? First she starts thinking, and then of course answers "yes".
Then I tell her if she is really good then she'll get a tip.
I also ask for some extras such as BBBJ, etc.. Some completely refuse even for a tip, then usually I do not give them any tip(or a small tip is ok if she was still good), since they had an opportunity to earn a big tip, but refused.
But if she agrees to what I ask for and if she is really good, did what promised(or sometimes even more), then I give her a very good tip, usually meaning I'm gonna come back to her,call her. Now she's very happy with her money and also she knows what she needs to do to make me happy too.
Why are we making tipping into rocket science?
Actually there is a universal standard.
If a girl treats you badly, without any enthusiasm, etc ... No tip.
If a girl takes good care of you and showed you some love ... a SMALL tip.
If a girl treats you with a nice GFE and enthusiasm ... a BIGGER tip if you like.
If you subscribe to the Bango Cheito tipping guide ... No tip.
Use your noodle as to what a small tip and a big tip are. Appropriate to the price of the session.
Everywhere I've been, and I've been to a lot of places, this works.
Good luck
Hilltopper
06-23-10, 19:30
I have to concur with Ricker, it ain't rocket science, guys.
I tip as I deem appropriate and worthy. For example, the taxi driver who jumps out and grabs all of my bags and then either carries them to the reception desk or to my apartment upon arrival gets a tip from me. When I'm just using a taxi to get somewhere without bags, I rarely tip. Those occassions when I do it's because he took a quick detour for me to run into a tienda or something and didn't say anything about upcharging me for his waiting on me, etc.
At the finer restuarants, they'll typically add a 10% voluntary propina to the bill, which is supposed to be shared among the various service providers, kitchen help, etc., but as we know, there's no way for us to know for certain that the owner or manager isn't pocketing it, so somtimes I have it removed from my bill and give the deserving waiter or waitress a 10% tip directly for top-notch service.
When I have one of the employees from Julia's in Laguito deliver my meal to me at my apartment, I typically tip them 2 mil, sometimes 3 mil. They really appreciate it and go out of their way to make sure everything is right and just to my liking.
At Riquissimo's in Laguito, some time last year they started adding the voluntary propina to the bill. I let the waiters know that if I paid that, it would cut into or eliminate the tip I usually leave them. I voiced my displeasure in the change, as I'm sure other regulars did as well, and lo and behold they changed back to not adding it to the bill. I typically tip the waiters there anywhere from 5 to 10% for attentive service.
I buy a prepaid card with cell phone minutes at a local tienda in Laguito and the print is a strain for me to make out, so I have the guy behind the counter do it for me each time. He scratches off the code number, dials the comcell number for adding minutes, keys in the code and then hands me back the cell phone displaying the amount of $ he just loaded. I tip the guy 1 mil pesos most every time, and on occassion 2 mil.
As to tipping WG's, well that generally never comes up, as I rarely ever discuss money, instead I just hand them or put in their purse what I feel is fair as they are getting ready to leave and they usually never count it. I've never been to a casa or mp, instead always preferring to bring an independent back to my apartment for a minimum of 2-3 hours, but more often than not, for a much longer amount of time than that. Given the chemistry, mutual attraction and trust that's been established over that period of time, the chica is happy to accept what I provide her and has already determined that I'm not the cheapskate type.
During the time we spend together it's pretty common that I've provided "all you can drink and eat" just like I would with any friend I have over to entertain at my home in the States. I rarely end-up with a chica who asks for something, be it money or otherwise. I try to screen out those types before ever making the invitation to come back to my apartment.
I know there are different strokes for different folks and I don't see a problem with that. Why not let people be themselves and enjoy what it is they like to do with their own time and money? Some guys like to do 30 minute or 60 minute sessions for a pre-agreed upon price and/or go to mp's and casas, nothing wrong with that in my book. If a guy then wants to give a WG more than the pre-set amount because he feels she's worthy, then by all means, it's his money and his decision.
I got tired long ago of the know-it-all mongers one can run into in Colombia who try to tell others (in an obnoxious and degrading way) what they should do and how they should spend their money (without ever being solicited for their advice or opinion). I much prefer to be given advice or one's opinion after first asking for it, and not in a way that comes across demeaning and degrading.
Some mongers I've met in Colombia are severly lacking when it comes to social skills and personality dynamics. I can only imagine how they come across to Colombianas. I guess they keep the hard-core type pros in business, so it's all good. More sweet, sincere, un-hardened reinas for the rest of us.
Why are we making tipping into rocket science?
Actually there is a universal standard.
If a girl treats you badly, without any enthusiasm, etc ... No tip.
If a girl takes good care of you and showed you some love ... a SMALL tip.
If a girl treats you with a nice GFE and enthusiasm ... a BIGGER tip if you like.
If you subscribe to the Bango Cheito tipping guide ... No tip.
Use your noodle as to what a small tip and a big tip are. Appropriate to the price of the session.
Everywhere I've been, and I've been to a lot of places, this works.
Good luckI'm not just talking about tipping the girls. I'm talking about tipping in general. Food. Taxi. Maids. Etc. This is not universal. In some countries you're not expected to tip.
Colombian guys give no tip to the girls at a casa or a club nocturno. Zero.
In my personal opinion, we should not tip either. However, each guy here does their own thing. There's no way to control it.
Foreigners in Colombia, especially Gringos, are doing things that screw up our collective reputation. We are viewed as "soft" by the Colombians. Tipping in situations where Colombians do not tip is one reason. Overtipping is another reason. There are plenty of other reasons.
Gringos are being too generous in Colombia, and the generosity is not appreciated. It is viewed as weakness on our part, and it is viewed as stupidity on our part. That is how we are viewed by the Colombians. Weak and stupid.
I am not trying to be confrontational with those who support tipping. I am simply making an observation that most Gringos do not understand and will never understand. Gringos need to stop thinking like Gringos and start thinking like Colombians.
John Gault
06-24-10, 13:46
lol yeah Ricker. I have scenarios here:
1- live on the cost and make her happy and get away from her whenever I want to go Medellin using various excuses.
2- Live in Medellin and just limit myself to day time casas.
What you and vics think?1. My guess would be after a few trips to MDE your wife will want to go with you. These women are very smart when it comes to this sort of thing. It also would get expensive to keep flying back and forth.
2. If you live in MDE it sounds like from your previous post that your wife would be unhappy. A unhappy wife is a bad thing.
What I would do if I were you would be to take her to MDE and show her the city and hope she like it. If that doesn't work then instead of living on the coast and flying back and forth to MDE I would just use the money you would of spent on airfares to find a few Pro's in BAQ or CTG and use them for your pleasure.
A lot of members on this board are single men and it is easy for us to say for you to choose MDE and the hell with what she wants. That would be fine if you either wanted a divorce or instead live with an unhappy wife.
I am happy to give you advice, but I think you have some very hard choices to make.
Good luck and again I say to you don't get caught.
. Colombian guys give no tip to the girls at a casa or a club nocturno. Zero.
. Weak and stupid.Well, though not exactly true, you will see the Colombianos give some change to the chicas dancing at the club nocturnos, and some amigas I have working at the casas tell me that the the more mature Colombianos that visit, not the young kids, do leave modest tips also, especially when they are regular customers.
I do agree that OVER-tipping is ridiculous and I will not lay a tip out to one of those piranas demanding a tip from me at a place like Face Dos, and I could care less what ugly face they show me.
Matter of fact, normally when a chica starts asking for a tip and always when she demands a tip, she gets nada. Zero.
No me gusta para nada esta mierda. I don't like that crap at all.
I may be a Gringo. But I'm not weak and stupid.
In my personal opinion, we should not tip either. However, each guy here does their own thing. There's no way to control it.Hmmm, though I respect your opinion, I disagree.
I"ll say again, and I emphasize, OVER-tipping as well as OVER-paying like a schmuck is dumb, stupid and can be looked at as weak, however, IMHO a small amount shows some kindess and says 'gracias'.
. Gringos are being too generous in Colombia, and the generosity is not appreciated. It is viewed as weakness on our part, and it is viewed as stupidity on our part. That is how we are viewed by the Colombians. Weak and stupid.I agree with you that the OVER-paying Gringo is not appreciated in the way the OVER-paying Gringo believes he is appreciated.
Of course the chicas will grab your money and then appreciate you for being a 'bobo' (a dummy).
This has nothing to do with giving out a small tip though, after the fact, to a chica that has treated you well.
I doubt that giving a chica 5000 pesos at a casa, for treating you well, is going to put you in the 'weak and stupid' group.
. Gringos need to stop thinking like Gringos and start thinking like Colombians.Yep, we need to start slapping these chicas around a bit, treating them like crap, impregnating them and running away, robbing them, etc, etc. Let's get on it boys!
Obviously I'm joking.
Generally speaking, and I'm not talking at all about the 'ugly Gringo' we've all seen flashing money with big mouths, but the normal gringo, is thought of as kind hearted and good to women.
That ummmmm, is actually a good thing.
UNFORTUNATELY. There's always going to be the guys flashing money, OVER-paying, loud-mouth, know it alls, that speak 5 words of bad spanish.
Those that have visited Colombia for a while, have seen the influx of this type and unfortunately the bad apples can give us all a bad rep. Ie. Being dumb, weak and stupid.
Good luck.
Colombian guys give no tip to the girls at a casa or a club nocturno. Zero.Maybe the Colombians I see are of a different breed, but your generalisation is like stating that Colombians can not drive. I don't know about the casas because the possible tipping will take place in the room, but in stripclubs the Colombians do tip the dancers in plain sight.
I"ll say again, and I emphasize, OVER-tipping as well as OVER-paying like a schmuck is dumb, stupid and can be looked at as weak, however, IMHO a small amount shows some kindess and says 'gracias'.When a girl says 'give me a tip' during or after bad / poor / indifferent service, I try to laugh (best I can) and say, 'give me a BJ'. You know and she knows she's only trying to get over, why not try to share an inside laugh about it -- break the ice. Outside the arena of commerce, the girl might be a perfectly generous human being. After all, she's making a sacrifice to better her economic situation, put food on the family table, or support her child. If I think that's the case, I'll tip -- appropriately. If she's a mercenary sex-for-bling queen, nada propina. But, when selecting that type, it is solely because of the (perfect) body, and the expectation is different.
1. My guess would be after a few trips to MDE your wife will want to go with you. These women are very smart when it comes to this sort of thing. It also would get expensive to keep flying back and forth.
2. If you live in MDE it sounds like from your previous post that your wife would be unhappy. A unhappy wife is a bad thing.
What I would do if I were you would be to take her to MDE and show her the city and hope she like it. If that doesn't work then instead of living on the coast and flying back and forth to MDE I would just use the money you would of spent on airfares to find a few Pro's in BAQ or CTG and use them for your pleasure.
A lot of members on this board are single men and it is easy for us to say for you to choose MDE and the hell with what she wants. That would be fine if you either wanted a divorce or instead live with an unhappy wife.
I am happy to give you advice, but I think you have some very hard choices to make.
Good luck and again I say to you don't get caught.Yeah you are right Vics, I've got a hard choice to make. Although there are many single men as mongers, you will be surprised on how many married ones also.
Aba Corrado
06-25-10, 03:41
Is there a VAT in Cartagena, I seem to remember seeing this on some reciepts when I was there, or maybe this was an added gratuity. if anyone could clear this up I wouls appreciate it. Thanks guys.
Bango Cheito
06-25-10, 04:31
If you have an independent, that's the appropriate thing to do. Anything goes in that situation.
Viajero personally the Atlantic coast is the LAST part of Colombia I'd EVER want to live in. I would be totally miserable living there. Too hot, no culture, terrible infrastructure. I would insist on BOG or MDE for living in Colombia or bust! Fuck your wife being unhappy, YOU are going to be unhappy on the coast.
Member #3435
06-25-10, 15:01
If you have an independent, that's the appropriate thing to do. Anything goes in that situation.
Viajero personally the Atlantic coast is the LAST part of Colombia I'd EVER want to live in. I would be totally miserable living there. Too hot, no culture, terrible infrastructure. I would insist on BOG or MDE for living in Colombia or bust! Fuck your wife being unhappy, YOU are going to be unhappy on the coast.No culture?
Wow. Stunning.
You post beneficial information most of the time ...
... Do not come on here and post like you are someone who gives only a one or two thousand peso tip for services, or pay whatever you like to girls, as you support the girls big time with your generousity, and they tell you upfront what they need. You can continue to think your name is Rico Suave, as the girls obviously love you, since you are not only a great tipper, but a sugar daddy to the putas. A sugar daddy who does not even have good conversational spanish ability. LOLGeez. Lighten up Delta, WTF over!
This guy Hilltopper always post good info and is a good dude.
If you've got some petty jealousy, 'cause your post sure shows it, I reccommend you running to the nearest cat house and getting a little chochota medicine to relax you a bit.
Really no need to try and trash guys like that, only makes YOU seem like a goober not him.
Peace baby! Y porque no?
If you have an independent, that's the appropriate thing to do. Anything goes in that situation.
Viajero personally the Atlantic coast is the LAST part of Colombia I'd EVER want to live in. I would be totally miserable living there. Too hot, no culture, terrible infrastructure. I would insist on BOG or MDE for living in Colombia or bust! Fuck your wife being unhappy, YOU are going to be unhappy on the coast.LOL, I love Bango Cheito.
Member #4394
06-25-10, 22:17
Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the U.S., in Colombia?
After reading his latest postings I think his nickname should be Bang(o) Cheap(o). ROFLOL!
Member #3435
06-26-10, 00:25
Geez. Lighten up Delta, WTF over!
This guy Hilltopper always post good info and is a good dude.
If you've got some petty jealousy, 'cause your post sure shows it, I reccommend you running to the nearest cat house and getting a little chochota medicine to relax you a bit.
Really no need to try and trash guys like that, only makes YOU seem like a goober not him.
Peace baby! Y porque no?Allow me to use this opportunity to put the word out to all that read the Colomibia thread.
Don't bring it here. You'll be called on it by some real people.
Got it?
And I mean that with all respect. (yeah right :)
Schwmm
Member #3435
06-26-10, 00:30
Geez. Lighten up Delta, WTF over!
This guy Hilltopper always post good info and is a good dude.
If you've got some petty jealousy, 'cause your post sure shows it, I reccommend you running to the nearest cat house and getting a little chochota medicine to relax you a bit.
Really no need to try and trash guys like that, only makes YOU seem like a goober not him.
Peace baby! Y porque no?Ricker:
Allow me to use this opportunity to put the word out to all that read the Colomibia thread.
Don't bring it here. You'll be called on it by some real people.
Got it?
And I mean that with all respect. (yeah right :)
Schwmm
Hey Ricker,
Are you a lover of his? Sounds like it. You got it Delta, we're lovers, you're a genious!!
... Jealousy, do not have a ounce of it in my body, but it might be a problem of yours. Now go on and do what you do best, and post about how great you are, how long you have been visiting Colombia, and how you are the Rico Suave of Colombia and Brazil.
... It has no bearing on me what so ever, other than the fact it is sad, someone has to continually brag about themselves on an internet forum.Sure glad we have you to point out everyones's deficiencies.
Wonder what's more sad, me bragging about my adventures and how cool I might think I am, or you and your put downs and jealousy.
Boy, that's a tough one.
Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the U.S., in Colombia?All the laptops and cell phone chargers have dual voltages 110 ând 220V.
so no need for transformers anywhere in the world, only plug adapters. But in Colombia it is the same as in USA - you do not need to buy anything extra for Colombia.
Member #3435
06-27-10, 02:07
Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the U.S., in Colombia?Look it up.
Is there a beach worth visiting in Colombia?
I mean a real nice, Caribbean style beach.
Thanks,
EQ
Gentelmen. I'm planning on a "first" time trip to Colombia. I'm an old time whorist, monger, "Puto Velho" etc. I've lived in Thailand about 10+ years then discovered Brazil. I 've been out of the loop due to a 4 yr. Relationship with a Brasilera. That didn't work out cause I refused to buy a house there. I been to Cambodia, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua. My Spanish is poor but, I'm working on that now. So guys help me out. Medellin or Cali for the "old newbie"?
Do I need to purchase and use a voltage converter if I want to use my laptop computer, which is for the voltage/frequency in the USA, in Colombia?Many countries outside the US use 220 volts, but Colombia, like the US, uses 110 volts. So you don't need a voltage converter. In any event, if you look closely at the converters (chargers) that you already have for your laptop and cell phone, you will see that they accept input of 100 to 240 volts. In other words, you already have the converters that you need for any country. You may need a simple adaptor, depending on the configuration of the wall socket in your hotel. I always carry a three prong (grounded) to two prong (non grounded) adapter with me. That's a 50 cent item at your local hardware store. And I would suggest a short extension cord.
Hey Ricker,
Got word you work for American Airlines, so that explains some things. ;) I am out of Atlanta as you might expect. In response to your post below, you much have a comprehension problem, as I stated I do not have a jealous bone in my body. I just do not like braggers like yourself, or posters such as Hilltopper being a hypocrite when it comes to tipping. I had my say, so now it is time to move on.Heya Delta,
I´ve been posting on this board for a while and have seen antagonists come and go. Figured you were just another one.
Obviously I don´t know you or Hilltopper in person and I should have stayed out of it like I normally do.
As far as me being a "bragger", I re-read some of my later posts and I can see how that comes across.
Like I said, I´ve been posting here for a while.
At first, years back, I used this forum to gain info about places because I was new and green.
Later on, as I got smarter and better at all this SA fun, I became a poster of good info.
Maybe lately I´ve evolved to not posting much info really and just boasting tales of my adventures, hence the bragging.
In reality I´m not like that at all, matter of fact I don´t really like that type either.
If you´re thinking that about me, I´m sure others are thinking the same.
Think I´ll just enjoy myself in my travels, like yourself I´m sure, and I´ll keep my boasting to myself.
Safe travels .... Ricker, also moving on
John Gault
06-27-10, 20:10
Is there a beach worth visiting in Colombia?
I mean a real nice, Caribbean style beach.
Thanks,
EQA short way from Santa Marta is a beautiful natural park with very nice beaches with clear water.
Balover 2008
06-28-10, 01:09
RomanceLatina is a great site to meet Colombian women. Here's the link
http://www.romancelatina.com
Hope you guys enjoy it
Amen Brother
I'm replying to a topic being discussed in the Medellin thread right now.
If a girl accepts 5k or some other ridiculously low amount to have sex with you. TAKE IT! It's HER problem if she's undercharging NOT yours.
Don't pay more than 50k to have sex with a girl in Colombia unless the girl is AMAZING, unless it's outcall, unless it's LT, or there's a massage included or other special circumstances. Standard prices in Bogota are 30-50k and that's in Bogota.
A maid gets 25k a day here. If your place is filthy and huge give your maid 30k. NO MORE.
DO NOT TIP PEOPLE HERE! That includes the wg's your maids and ESPECIALLY taxi drivers. Stop fucking with shit you have no clue about.
Some of your attitudes frankly make me want to vomit. If I find people in MY town going out of their way to kill the local market I will PERSONALLY make it my mission to make every last WG in town think you have incurable gonorrea or hepatitis or something. Or I may resort to even worse measures. WTF is wrong with you guys with this stupid fucked up gringo mentality. Play by the LOCAL rules while you are here or you are not welcome!
I stopped contributing a long time ago to this section precisely because of stupid shit like this. Pearls before swine.
Maybe the Colombians I see are of a different breed, but your generalisation is like stating that Colombians can not drive. I don't know about the casas because the possible tipping will take place in the room, but in stripclubs the Colombians do tip the dancers in plain sight.I wasn't referring to dancers. Yes, some Colombian guys tip the dancers. But the Colombain guys do not tip the girls in the room after sex.
Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. This is one of those situations. There are plenty of other situations.
As just one example, Colombian guys do not tip after getting a haircut.
As another example, Colombian guys do not tip taxi drivers (unless baggage is involved).
There are countless other examples.
Member #3435
06-28-10, 16:16
Heya Delta,
I´ve been posting on this board for a while and have seen antagonists come and go. Figured you were just another one.
Obviously I don´t know you or Hilltopper in person and I should have stayed out of it like I normally do.
As far as me being a "bragger", I re-read some of my later posts and I can see how that comes across.
Like I said, I´ve been posting here for a while.
At first, years back, I used this forum to gain info about places because I was new and green.
Later on, as I got smarter and better at all this SA fun, I became a poster of good info.
Maybe lately I´ve evolved to not posting much info really and just boasting tales of my adventures, hence the bragging.
In reality I´m not like that at all, matter of fact I don´t really like that type either.
If you´re thinking that about me, I´m sure others are thinking the same.
Think I´ll just enjoy myself in my travels, like yourself I´m sure, and I´ll keep my boasting to myself.
Safe travels .... Ricker, also moving onRicker:
I sense your mood and understand. We all feel like we stepped over our own guidelines from time to time.
I'd say take a break but don't quit contributing completely. Your expertise is needed and valued.
Like that time we outed that women beater on the Brasil board.
Can't help but think that may have been a van der sloot type.
All the best and keep having fun. I know you will.
Schwmm
John Gault
06-28-10, 17:09
Heya Delta,
I´ve been posting on this board for a while and have seen antagonists come and go. Figured you were just another one.
Obviously I don´t know you or Hilltopper in person and I should have stayed out of it like I normally do.
As far as me being a "bragger", I re-read some of my later posts and I can see how that comes across.
Like I said, I´ve been posting here for a while.
At first, years back, I used this forum to gain info about places because I was new and green.
Later on, as I got smarter and better at all this SA fun, I became a poster of good info.
Maybe lately I´ve evolved to not posting much info really and just boasting tales of my adventures, hence the bragging.
In reality I´m not like that at all, matter of fact I don´t really like that type either.
If you´re thinking that about me, I´m sure others are thinking the same.
Think I´ll just enjoy myself in my travels, like yourself I´m sure, and I´ll keep my boasting to myself.
Safe travels .... Ricker, also moving onMr. R,
The boys on this board can be tough at times. I know I have gotten slamed a few times myself.
Anyway take heart and don't disapere as others have done in the past.
Funny you have said that you should of stayed out of it. Everytime that voice tells me similar thoughts and I don't listen then I always later on wish I did.
Take care Amigo
I wasn't referring to dancers. Yes, some Colombian guys tip the dancers. But the Colombain guys do not tip the girls in the room after sex.
Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. This is one of those situations. There are plenty of other situations.
As just one example, Colombian guys do not tip after getting a haircut.
As another example, Colombian guys do not tip taxi drivers (unless baggage is involved).
There are countless other examples.You can also ad, Colombians do not tip when buying a ticket to enter a cinema or Colombians do not tip when they buy a ticket in the bus etc, etc. But like I wrote, the Colombians I know, must be of a different breed. They tip when paying the bill in one of the bars/fondas at La 30/33 or the fondas in Envigado; they tip when paying the bill at steakhouses like San Carbon. They even tip when paying in our small neighbourhood bar. But maybe because they don't live in the estratos 1, 2 or 3. They can afford it, like the mongerers who pay hundreds of dollars to get here or being an expat in Colombia with a huge salary and not turn miserable after enjoying good service, a good meal, a good night-out etc, etc.
Bottom line, tipping is something personal, but don't use false excuses for not doing it. My final words on tipping in Colombia.
I used to be a member but I never followed up when I've been in Colombia. Too many chicas, too little time. I'd be all over it if I lived there full time.
I still check it out occasionally. Seems like quite a few girls have posted videos which looked suspiciously like room 7 of the Mansion. I'll let you make the call.
Reef
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnmwAjt7Mcc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xth5Ve0kljU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1TQjfexkqc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjR9tIBIK8cYour point is? There are tons of Mansion girls on Romance Latina.
You can also ad, Colombians do not tip when buying a ticket to enter a cinema or Colombians do not tip when they buy a ticket in the bus etc, etc. But like I wrote, the Colombians I know, must be of a different breed. They tip when paying the bill in one of the bars/fondas at La 30/33 or the fondas in Envigado; they tip when paying the bill at steakhouses like San Carbon. They even tip when paying in our small neighbourhood bar. But maybe because they don't live in the estratos 1, 2 or 3. They can afford it, like the mongerers who pay hundreds of dollars to get here or being an expat in Colombia with a huge salary and not turn miserable after enjoying good service, a good meal, a good night-out etc, etc.
Bottom line, tipping is something personal, but don't use false excuses for not doing it. My final words on tipping in Colombia.Your reading comprehension is a little weak. I didn't say Colombians never tip. I never said that.
However, I did say that Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. That is what I said. Unfortunately, you are unable or unwilling to grasp the difference.
Ability to tip is irrelevant. I am staying in El Poblado right around the corner from the San Carbon in Las Palmas. I leave a 10% tip every time I go to San Carbon. Why? Because that is what the Colombians tip. However, I tip 20% in American restaurants.
I used to tip in a casa or a club nocturno until I discovered the Colombians do not tip. So I stopped tipping. Again, ability to tip is irrelevant.
Member #4394
06-29-10, 01:58
Any generic Cialis (tadalafil) in Medellin?
Your reading comprehension is a little weak. I didn't say Colombians never tip. I never said that.
However, I did say that Colombians do not tip in many situations that Americans do tip. That is what I said. Unfortunately, you are unable or unwilling to grasp the difference.
Ability to tip is irrelevant. I am staying in El Poblado right around the corner from the San Carbon in Las Palmas. I leave a 10% tip every time I go to San Carbon. Why? Because that is what the Colombians tip. However, I tip 20% in American restaurants.
I used to tip in a casa or a club nocturno until I discovered the Colombians do not tip. So I stopped tipping. Again, ability to tip is irrelevant.I agree! It's why I believe there should be a tipping guide for every country. There are no general rules for tipping that applies everywhere. It's a cultural thing that varies from country to country. The more we know the culture the better off we are. Do you know what it looks like when you overtip or tip where you shouldn't? I mean sure the staff love it. But the locals are thinking "a rich American gringo asshole. Thinks he better than us. Looks down upon us. " Like client9 says. The ability to and what you tip back home is irrelevant. Learn the culture and stop being so ignorant!
John Gault
06-29-10, 15:44
Any generic Cialis (tadalafil) in Medellin?I have tried to find it in many places with no luck.
Go on line and you will find many outlets that sell it for around 4 bucks for a 20MG pill. That is shipping included.
Like client9 says. The ability to and what you tip back home is irrelevant. Learn the culture and stop being so ignorant!Ok, I thought I've made my point clear, also to Client9. It is the generalisation that I hate. Because some Colombians do not tip, you grab that as an excuse not to tip. Why not follow the Colombians that DO tip if you need an example on how to behave in this country and stop being ignorant? Or maybe it is easier and cheaper to hide behind that lame excuse that not all Colombians tip.
BTW Client9, it was you who started mentioning a hairdresser. Maybe in El Poblado there are casas and clubs nocturnos providing that service then I'll apologize, but down here in Belen you can't find them. And if you doubt my ability of reading, I believe this topic started about tipping in common.
No point. Just thought is was amusing but YMMV. A few weeks back on one of the Colombia threads there was some discussion on what percentage of Romancelatina chicks were pro's versus regular girls. Maye you should Wikipedia that for us?
ReefA high percentage are.
Some chicas were telling me that the owners take their pictures and post a fake profile up.
Ok, I thought I've made my point clear, also to Client9. It is the generalisation that I hate. Because some Colombians do not tip, you grab that as an excuse not to tip. Why not follow the Colombians that DO tip if you need an example on how to behave in this country and stop being ignorant? Or maybe it is easier and cheaper to hide behind that lame excuse that not all Colombians tip.
BTW Client9, it was you who started mentioning a hairdresser. Maybe in El Poblado there are casas and clubs nocturnos providing that service then I'll apologize, but down here in Belen you can't find them. And if you doubt my ability of reading, I believe this topic started about tipping in common.To make it clear, my message is: Do not tip if you don't feel like it, but don't use lame excuses like Colombians do not tip. Be yourself and act independent because we're all grown ups.
Or aren't we?
Ricker:
I sense your mood and understand. We all feel like we stepped over our own guidelines from time to time.
I'd say take a break but don't quit contributing completely. Your expertise is needed and valued.
All the best and keep having fun. I know you will.
SchwmmThanks amigo, I'm not retiring just yet, just changing my tact a bit.
Less boasting and more opinion / info.
I enjoy the ISG forum and will continue posting info and ideas.
Matter of fact I just arrived in Medellin on kind of a spur of the moment side trip.
I'm in the mood for exploring, I'll see what comes up.
Take care.
Funny you have said that you should of stayed out of it. Everytime that voice tells me similar thoughts and I don't listen then I always later on wish I did.
Take care Amigo.I agree, normally when I don't follow that little voice, I regret it later.
Incidentally, I was on the Mayorista last night checking out the scene and I see they've added some outdoor seating and tables at some of the little restaurants and bars.
The chica scene was a bit slow, I'd say 90 percent below the 6-7 level and just a couple cute ones, no real hotties.
Tomorrow out to el Centro for chicas and some shopping.
Hope your travels are going well, take care amigo.
Bango Cheito
07-02-10, 00:59
To make it clear, my message is: Do not tip if you don't feel like it, but don't use lame excuses like Colombians do not tip. Be yourself and act independent because we're all grown ups.
Or aren't we?The Colombians that DO tip like that are typically brand-new money thug and gangster types who never had money before and have no idea what to do with it... they are SEVERELY looked down upon by the rest of Colombian society... by doing the same as them you put yourself in the same boat as them in the eyes of people here.
If you want to be a fucking Robin Hood down here, go help out in a soup kitchen or something, do NOT give money to the people who ALREADY have it, namely WGs and taxi drivers!
If I had money, I don't think I'd be a working girl or a taxi driver.
The Colombians that DO tip like that are typically brand-new money thug and gangster types who never had money before and have no idea what to do with it... OMFG! Again a stupid generalisation or should I write short-sighted judgement. Incredible!
....... do NOT give money to the people who ALREADY have it, namely WGs and taxi drivers!You might be right. In the weekends I see them leaving for their finca's in their Toyota's HiLux and when they go to the dicoteques they have their driver drive the Audi or BMW. I wonder where they get the money to do those kind of things. Maybe thanks to the tips they received? Makes me want to be a taxidriver and maybe I can persuade my novia to leave her job at the bank. And of course I'll consider to stop tipping then. That will save me a huge amount.
Member #4394
07-03-10, 02:14
Any good seafood reastaurants or restaurants serving good fish close to casas in El Centro?
Gracias
This tipping thread has me somewhat mystified. In the first place, have you ever taken a taxi in New York? So here in Medellin they charge you say 10k to get from el centro to La Loma de Alejandria, $5, and say you have the crazy idea to tip the guy 1k, or go crazy 2k. 2k is one dollar. What the fuck are you guys talking about?
Bango Cheito
07-03-10, 21:48
You might be right. In the weekends I see them leaving for their finca's in their Toyota's HiLux and when they go to the dicoteques they have their driver drive the Audi or BMW. I wonder where they get the money to do those kind of things. Maybe thanks to the tips they received? Makes me want to be a taxidriver and maybe I can persuade my novia to leave her job at the bank. And of course I'll consider to stop tipping then. That will save me a huge amount.If your novia were a taxi driver she WOULD have more money than working at the bank, unless she's management. There's like a 3 year waiting list for a Bogota taxi medallion for a reason!
Anyways, thanks for speaking up. I can see clearly that the best information will still have to be kept off this board, because of attitudes like yours. Have a precious day!
Have a precious day!How can I? I'm no taxidriver. But thanks anyway for making me laugh with your brilliant remarks and generalisations. I owe you a gaseosa from the supermarket for that.
this tipping thread has me somewhat mystified. in the first place, have you ever taken a taxi in new york? so here in medellin they charge you say 10k to get from el centro to la loma de alejandria, $5, and say you have the crazy idea to tip the guy 1k, or go crazy 2k. 2k is one dollar. what the fuck are you guys talking about?because. maybe this isn't ny? if you look at japan, tipping is considered rude. we should all tip what is customary and not assume everyplace we go to is "the west" and that we should act like "the west". tip like "the west". do everything like "the west". learn some customs! from what i understand, the taxi tipping custom in colombia (medellin at least) is to round up or down to the nearest 1k. again, this is not about how much. but about the customary norms.
Because. Maybe this isn't NY? If you look at Japan, tipping is considered rude. We should all tip what is customary and not assume everyplace we go to is "the west" and that we should act like "the west". Tip like "the west". Do everything like "the west". Learn some customs! From what I understand, the taxi tipping custom in Colombia (Medellin at least) is to round up or down to the nearest 1k. Again, this is not about how much. But about the customary norms.http://www.gonomad.com/traveldesk/0806/tipping.html
You can get information about that in travel guides and at the airports of your destination. Or ask the first local people you meet. No big deal!
Bango Cheito
07-07-10, 07:25
http://www.gonomad.com/traveldesk/0806/tipping.html
You can get information about that in travel guides and at the airports of your destination. Or ask the first local people you meet. No big deal!That guide is pretty inaccurate. I was born and raised in Canada and lived 11 years in the US. Americans on average tip quite a bit more than Canucks do.
Any local in Bogota will tell you. Do NOT tip taxistas. Unless there are some unusual circumstances or if they help you lift a lot of heavy bags. Also have exact change handy for them because you don't want change from a taxi driver, there's a good chance it will be counterfeit, even the COINS! Taxi drivers here in Bogota in 2010 are looked upon like tax collectors back in biblical times. And for all the same reasons.
That guide is pretty inaccurate. I was born and raised in Canada and lived 11 years in the US. Americans on average tip quite a bit more than Canucks do.
Any local in Bogota will tell you. Do NOT tip taxistas. Unless there are some unusual circumstances or if they help you lift a lot of heavy bags. Also have exact change handy for them because you don't want change from a taxi driver, there's a good chance it will be counterfeit, even the COINS! Taxi drivers here in Bogota in 2010 are looked upon like tax collectors back in biblical times. And for all the same reasons.You might be right, because I haven't been to all those countries. Anyway it is something, I think, Hioctane was pleading for. And like I stated before, tipping or not is strictly personal in most of the countries and that guide reflects that.
BTW, let's stop about tipping in Colombia. If you mention that in some unusual circumstances people do tip, that means, that your statement that "locals do not tip in Colombia" is at least arguable. Because people coming to Colombia for the first time will not consider tipping even in those circumstances and thanks to you they will be frowned on.
For some time I have been using a florest in Estadio to send flowers to Ex and daughter in Medellin. I usually make the orders on the internet and the flowers come out spectacular.
This time I since I am here I walked into the pace and made the order in person. They erred, sent the flowers two days early and incomplete.
I spoke with Catalina about two days after they were supposed to be delived and she truely apologized (as opposed to the usual Colombian ¨Que pena¨, I hate that ¨Que pena¨). The following day she sent and spectacual arrangement with fruit as was ordered and also went with the delivery person to deliver it in person, no added charge. A Colombian business trying to make it right.
Catalina is great and the arrangements and better than you will see in US for much cheaper. If you want a trustworthy quality florest in Medellin I do recommend this place, Tienda Floristería Estadio = www.Floristeriaestadio.com.
Mike
Ask a local or just observe as the locals do. If you see them tip you tip if not when in Roma.
In the 90's I was in the UK drinking at a pub. After buying a round of pints I left a pound on the bar. The tender looked at me like an idiot and told me not to leave tips as this is not the way in the UK.
Your TIP is very much wanted but not accepted with a gracious thank you instead it is like feeding a stray, they expect it everytime they see you. The guy who works the tourist in the streets near Hotel Nutibara asked me once for Perico and then the next day as well, I have not yet seen him drink coffee. By the third day I started telling him, no. I asked him when he was going to offer me coffee.
You might be right, because I haven't been to all those countries. Anyway it is something, I think, Hioctane was pleading for. And like I stated before, tipping or not is strictly personal in most of the countries and that guide reflects that.
BTW, let's stop about tipping in Colombia. If you mention that in some unusual circumstances people do tip, that means, that your statement that "locals do not tip in Colombia" is at least arguable. Because people coming to Colombia for the first time will not consider tipping even in those circumstances and thanks to you they will be frowned on.
Blk Big Bootyluv
07-24-10, 01:30
So, I got a 24hr layover at MDE airport in couple of days. Anyone got any idea on some action. My driver out of El pablado said it might be a difficult to get a chica out the the airport for a couple of hrs. So, if anyone has any connections.
Please Share.
BBL
Hello everyone,
I will be in Medellin in about a month with at least 2 other friends and we are in need an apt.
I want to thank all in advance.
Robby Burns
07-27-10, 06:21
Hello to All,
I am a brand new newbie (BNN?) traveling to Medellin and Bogota by myself.
I am also interested in any side trips to other towns or countryside destinations.
I am exploring the possibility of sharing expenses on a luxury apartment in Medellin and/or Bogota.
I will arrive on Aug. 11th and depart on Aug. 28th.
Also interested in any "mentor" willing to show me the ropes. I am a professional magician, specializing in Close-Up magic. Translation: I can gather the chicas around me very quickly when I show them the "magic hands at work."
Thank you in advance for any advice.
Most magic I've seen in MDE is I pull out a $100 bill and the chicas make it disappear.
Reef.LOL, that is a good one Reef, and how true.
Hello to All,
I am a brand new newbie (BNN?) traveling to Medellin and Bogota by myself.
I am also interested in any side trips to other towns or countryside destinations.
I am exploring the possibility of sharing expenses on a luxury apartment in Medellin and/or Bogota.
I will arrive on Aug. 11th and depart on Aug. 28th.
Also interested in any "mentor" willing to show me the ropes. I am a professional magician, specializing in Close-Up magic. Translation: I can gather the chicas around me very quickly when I show them the "magic hands at work."
Thank you in advance for any advice.LOL you remind me of the great master pickup artist "mystery method" I don't care what anyone says women love to be entertained!. I'll be there on the 26th of August for a short jaunt. (my 9th one) if your around still PM me. Maybe we'll set a trip in the future! I'd love to learn how to dazzle the babes myself!
I would to know if there any all inclusives vactions with escorts in Colombia.
Thanks
Manizales911
08-02-10, 02:01
I would to know if there any all inclusives vactions with escorts in Colombia.
ThanksNo there aren't.
Robby Burns
08-02-10, 22:20
And. How much should I expect to pay?
I will begin in Medellin. Then on to Bogota. Then maybe into the countryside.
And. How much should I expect to pay?
I will begin in Medellin. Then on to Bogota. Then maybe into the countryside.Buy an unlocked one off ebay for around $30 and bring it with you.
Manizales911
08-03-10, 14:13
And. How much should I expect to pay?
I will begin in Medellin. Then on to Bogota. Then maybe into the countryside.You can buy a cell phone anywhere in Colombia for about 20 bucks and then buy phone cards as needed. Don't put more minutes on the phone than you will need because they expire and when you return they will be gone. Some carriers may have a 60 day window I'm not sure.
Hang Low 69
08-03-10, 22:12
Flying from Medellin to Santa Marta with a girlfriend. I need hotel recommendations or apartments for rent. Anyone have a suggestion.
Robby Burns
08-05-10, 05:55
Newbie. Asking more questions again! Thanks to those who have replied to previous questions.
1- I need a little bit of bonding (veneer) on one of my teeth. My USA dentist wants $400 for the work. Not covered by my insurance ("cosmetic" improvements).
I have heard that there are good, inexpensive dentists in MDE. Any suggestions?
2- Ditto for my dress shoes. New heels and soles. $55. Ouch! Has anyone ever had shoes repaired in MDE?
One problem may be my shoe size. Size 14 1/2. Are there any Colombians with shoes that big? Will the repair shop have the right size soles?
Q- "You know what they say about guys with big shoes, don't you? "
A- "We have big feet. And we step in more dog shit! "
3- I have heard that the chicas like Betty Boop stuff. I'm thinking about buying several t-shirts at a Florida flea market. Any comments?
4- Chocolates. I know the chicas like chocolates. Should I buy them in MDE or in the USA? Which would cost less? Less hassle to buy it in MDE, but I have read about guys who bring it in from the USA Why?
Will arrive August 11th. Send me a PM if you want to get in on my "secret" Betty Boop stash.
Also, I am still looking for someone to spend $50 per night to share a beautiful 2-bdrm apartment across from Park Lleras.
Thanks
A Toda Maquina
08-06-10, 05:17
Anyone been out to the Zonas de Tolerancias in the smaller towns. Basically , do they exist in smaller towns. Example: Tunja Santander , Yopal Santander or like Montenegro?
SlamCity7777
08-06-10, 17:01
Newbie. Asking more questions again! Thanks to those who have replied to previous questions.
1- I need a little bit of bonding (veneer) on one of my teeth. My USA dentist wants $400 for the work. Not covered by my insurance ("cosmetic" improvements).
I have heard that there are good, inexpensive dentists in MDE. Any suggestions?
2- Ditto for my dress shoes. New heels and soles. $55. Ouch! Has anyone ever had shoes repaired in MDE?
One problem may be my shoe size. Size 14 1/2. Are there any Colombians with shoes that big? Will the repair shop have the right size soles?
Q- "You know what they say about guys with big shoes, don't you? "
A- "We have big feet. And we step in more dog shit! "
3- I have heard that the chicas like Betty Boop stuff. I'm thinking about buying several t-shirts at a Florida flea market. Any comments?
4- Chocolates. I know the chicas like chocolates. Should I buy them in MDE or in the USA? Which would cost less? Less hassle to buy it in MDE, but I have read about guys who bring it in from the USA Why?
Will arrive August 11th. Send me a PM if you want to get in on my "secret" Betty Boop stash.
Also, I am still looking for someone to spend $50 per night to share a beautiful 2-bdrm apartment across from Park Lleras.
ThanksDude,
If you have your PM on(Pay Jackson his Loot!) PM me. For the Dentist's email and phone number, I can't post it here.
1)Yep the dentist I used was AWESOME, clean and very professional, Hes assistant Jenni has the MOST AMAZING brown eyes, they shine like new copper pennies.
I got my two wisdom teeth pulled, two or three cavities drilled and filled with another 3 old fillings replaced with that new clean stuff. I think all this ran me like. $500? It could have been less but I'd hate to give you some crazy low number then you'd get all "Sticker Shocked"
2) Shoes. Sorry I don't buy shoes that cost so much that you replace vs buy new ones. I'm sure if you ask a cab driver they can take you to a spot. That and I find that Colombia's are a bit shorter in general from the average of America
3)Yep Betty Boop and IMO Perfume! Colombian Chicks love perfume(I guess all girls do?) I'd buy a few shirts SMALL, most Colombian chicks are tiny. Best 10 tees for $3 you'll ever spend!
4) Yep, Chocolates. Tell them it's for their kids and or Mom and you'll score BIG POINTS. Bags of Lindt or Gadiva that you can get at Longs/CVS/Wallgreens will get the trick done. I like to put the candies into a different gift bag so it seems a bit more special.
Good luck
LuckyEddie
08-07-10, 01:21
4- Chocolates. I know the chicas like chocolates. Should I buy them in MDE or in the USA? Which would cost less? Less hassle to buy it in MDE, but I have read about guys who bring it in from the USA Why?The chocolate available in Colombia in plain english sucks. How could that be special? Imagine if your girl from Belgium flew to the US and bought you that special Snickers bar. Get it?
SlamCity7777
08-07-10, 13:28
The chocolate available in Colombia in plain english sucks. How could that be special? Imagine if your girl from Belgium flew to the US and bought you that special Snickers bar. Get it?I don't know if the chocolate in Colombia sucks or not but IMO it is the Name brand game. Colombians love name brands and you can't get Lindt and Godiva in Colombia(I think). So when you show up with a bag and tell them. "Super Rico" and they've never seen them before at Exito. You're good!
Travel. I want to take a roundtrip frpm PTY panamacity to MDE Mediellen for 6 days in October. Online prices are horrendous. I need help from local travel agents, Any help is appreciated to find discounted days it is $600 USD! I am waiting to book the room as I need to figure out flights first
Hi
Is there anyone who can tell me what song ,is being played here?
http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/clubgallery.html
Regards,
BL
Hi
Is there anyone who can tell me what song is being played here?
http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/clubgallery.html
BL
DoloresThomas
08-09-10, 22:37
Hi
Is there anyone who can tell me what song is being played here?
http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/clubgallery.html
BLName of the song is "porque te amo" (because I love you) by Nino Segarra, from Puerto Rico.
Here's the vid (I can't stop laughing at the quality of this stuff):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzglEQeZt-g
Viajando Musico
08-12-10, 00:30
How about this one?
http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/ClubGallery_ladiesnight.html
Herad it all time and in English version too.
How about this one?
http://www.dollhouseinternational.com/english/ClubGallery_ladiesnight.html
Herad it all time and in English version too.That's "Ven Devorame Otra Vez" by Lalo Rodriguez
That translates into "Come, Devour Me Again" :)
Like the other song you were asking about, it was a huge hit in the salsa clubs during the "salsa romantica" (romantic salsa) heyday of the 80's, although some people would call this "salsa erotica"
Another "salsa romantica/erotica" hit that I like better is "La Cita" by Galy Galiano. Look up the video on YouTube. It was filmed in Cartagena; Galy is Colombian, from the north coast, which is more into the salsa sound (Cali also) than Medellin or Bogota. "La Cita" is Colombia's contribution to the lineup of "salsa romantica" classics.
Viajando Musico
08-14-10, 02:16
That's "Ven Devorame Otra Vez" by Lalo Rodriguez
That translates into "Come, Devour Me Again" :)
Like the other song you were asking about, it was a huge hit in the salsa clubs during the "salsa romantica" (romantic salsa) heyday of the 80's, although some people would call this "salsa erotica"
Another "salsa romantica/erotica" hit that I like better is "La Cita" by Galy Galiano. Look up the video on YouTube. It was filmed in Cartagena; Galy is Colombian, from the north coast, which is more into the salsa sound (Cali also) than Medellin or Bogota. "La Cita" is Colombia's contribution to the lineup of "salsa romantica" classics.Thanks for the answer. I didn't know this is an old salsa song, still quite popular in many clubs wtih Latin them. I did check out "La Cita" on yutube, but it didn't strike me as much as this song. But the backfround of Cartagena is beautiful. A city that is on the top of my to do list.
Colashermosas
08-14-10, 23:13
After spending several months in Colombia this is my thoughtful conclusion.
I have hot girls for dates, but I can not meet with them after having returned home. Please PM me if interested.
From Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Barranquilla, Calí and Cartagena.
After spending several months in Colombia this is my thoughtful conclusion.
I have hot girls for dates, but I can not meet with them after having returned home. Please PM me if interested.
From Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Barranquilla, Calí and Cartagena.Thanks but no thanks. I'm not Anglo Saxon but I have hot girls to date when I'm in Colombia. Your a very generous guy.
Hi man,
I'm still living in Bogota and I travel all around Colombia. How can I get those contacts you are talking about?
Let me know if possible to get them.
Regards
After spending several months in Colombia this is my thoughtful conclusion.
I have hot girls for dates, but I can not meet with them after having returned home. Please PM me if interested.
From Medellín, Bogotá, Pereira, Barranquilla, Calí and Cartagena.
Beconn Reconn
08-25-10, 04:46
Hi All --
I've taken a few great trips to Costa Rica, and always it. I would like to change it up a little bit thought and head down to Columbia. I'm coming from NYC, so I would like to fly into a big city like Bogota or Medellin direct. I have 2 weeks, so I'm thinking spend 1 week in a city, then take a little domestic flight to a beach town for a change of scenes and relaxation. Maybe Medellin to Cartagena? Then at the end I'd fly home from there. Obviously I want to partake in some girls while I'm there, but i'd also like to see some sights and relax as well maybe do some snorkeling or scuba diving or fishing.
Do you think that makes sense? Are there other/better places to consider?
Thanks friends
John Gault
08-25-10, 21:14
Hi All --
I've taken a few great trips to Costa Rica, and always it. I would like to change it up a little bit thought and head down to Columbia. I'm coming from NYC, so I would like to fly into a big city like Bogota or Medellin direct. I have 2 weeks, so I'm thinking spend 1 week in a city, then take a little domestic flight to a beach town for a change of scenes and relaxation. Maybe Medellin to Cartagena? Then at the end I'd fly home from there. Obviously I want to partake in some girls while I'm there, but i'd also like to see some sights and relax as well maybe do some snorkeling or scuba diving or fishing.
Do you think that makes sense? Are there other/better places to consider?
Thanks friendsIt makes sense except for the part about snorkeling or scuba diving. The water in CTG is not good for those things. Santa Marta is a better choice. A short drive from there is a beautiful natural park with great water. I forget the correct spelling but it is something like Parke T-.
Also there is P4P in Santa Marta, but not as good as in MDE.
As far as BOG, I have never been there, but all reports say there is plenty of action there.
I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:
Hello, XXX,
How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.
I love you
Clara
I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.
John Gault
08-26-10, 16:27
I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:
Hello, XXX,
How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.
I love you
Clara
I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.I have a had few deals like that in the past and they all came from girls in Africa. They all were in trouble at the airport and needed help so they could come to the USA to be with me. It must have something to do with the lax rules on fraud overthere. BTW the pictures the girls sent me were great, but you would have to be real stupid to fall for this over worked scam.
Any time you sign up for a public site, meeting or otherwise you can be assured to receive scammers like this.
I got if from Romance, adult finder, even rent.com (I go hit from one off that sight 3 years ago). You can be assured scammers will try to get you anyway they can.
I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:
Hello, XXX,
How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.
I love you
Clara
I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.
I been planning a trip to Colombia. Decided to join RomanceLatina just to check it out. Out of the blue and unsolicited by me I get PM from some "chica". User name: clara052. She purports to be from Spain but, working in Nigeria. Huh what? OK. So she sends some pics and starts to claim "love" and "serious" relationship. Yeah Right! So I play the game then I get this e-mail:
Hello, XXX,
How your doing I hope your doing good. Honey am bad on Sunday. Something bad Happen to me and Alex on Sunday morning on our way outing, and I regretted why am in this so called good country. Baby I got robbed, they took all I have with me right now am broke. They took my Phone Laptop and my Money and the beat alex to coma Alex was only trying to help me out when he was dragging withe the thug's. Right now I don't have anything to me and I don't know what to do. I just can't seat to see Alex my alone son laying on the sick bed, so I went down to the Police station to make a report. Also am sending this mail from the police state I told the officers if I could use there system to send you a mail. Baby please try and do something to help us out.
I love you
Clara
I had a good laugh! Seems a new twist to the "Nigerian Scam" letters.Same thing happened to me. Different story but same Nigeria scam. Begins with a PM to add her on messenger, so I did and played along for a bit.
From San Fran travelling to somewhere in Africa. Literally in the air while she was talking to me on messenger LOL. Something about she met a Prince who was in trouble or something. Lost interest right about there.
Hi All --
I've taken a few great trips to Costa Rica, and always it. I would like to change it up a little bit thought and head down to Columbia. I'm coming from NYC, so I would like to fly into a big city like Bogota or Medellin direct. I have 2 weeks, so I'm thinking spend 1 week in a city, then take a little domestic flight to a beach town for a change of scenes and relaxation. Maybe Medellin to Cartagena? Then at the end I'd fly home from there. Obviously I want to partake in some girls while I'm there, but i'd also like to see some sights and relax as well maybe do some snorkeling or scuba diving or fishing.
Do you think that makes sense? Are there other/better places to consider?
Thanks friendsYea Cartagena sounds good for the snorkling and chics but you need to catch boat there to Rosaria Islands then go snorkling not very expensive the boats leave out of the harbor there.
DJ FourMoney
08-30-10, 09:40
How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?
I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.
I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.
So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?
SlamCity7777
08-30-10, 18:44
How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?
I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.
I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.
So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?From what I've gathered from my extensive world travels(not just mongering)
And also being a minority(IE not white). I find that there is a sort of discrimination against "Dark Skinned" people in general. They see it sort of like
"You are a farmer and you work outside so you are dark"
I find this to be the case in Colombia too. The darker Colombians get a bit of the shaft as it were.
Also I read an article in one of the local paper that said the same thing pretty much.
Just my observations
Bango Cheito
08-30-10, 22:36
From what I've gathered from my extensive world travels(not just mongering)
And also being a minority(IE not white). I find that there is a sort of discrimination against "Dark Skinned" people in general. They see it sort of like
"You are a farmer and you work outside so you are dark"
I find this to be the case in Colombia too. The darker Colombians get a bit of the shaft as it were.
Also I read an article in one of the local paper that said the same thing pretty much.
Just my observationsIf you're paying, it won't make any difference at all.
If you're not paying, some girls will be totally turned off by the idea of being with a black man, others will have it as a fantasy. There really aren't that many black people in Colombia so some women will be curious about it. It could go either way. Just ascertain right away what the deal is and if the girl isn't interested move on.
Has anyone on the board ever heard of "el que no come burro no es hombre"?
I heard saw a video, and talked to a girlfriend about this and she confirmed it. It appears as if in the mountains of Cartegena in an effort to keep the ladies chaste the young men are encouraged to entertain the idea of having sex with donkeys.
Is this a wives tale or do they still encourage and or accept such things in the North of Colombia?
How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?
I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.
I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.
So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?For the Most part, I think the latinas are looking for a man that knows how to carry himself, and that is financially secure.
Of course women are going to have physcal preferences, just like you have preferences but if you are able to meet then somehow you can kill her with kindness.
Take a Spanish, or dance class-while you are in Colombia.
Find an introduction site and try to cultivate a relationship online.
It does help to speak Spanish. If you become competent in Spanish that in it self is going to set you apart.
Now, I would not worry about one light skinned hooker turning you down, becuase there is one behind her that is good to go. Just don't insist, why insist on a hooker that does not want to go to the room. Not even by offering more-you will just have to put up with the attitude.
To end, I would like to say that it is not always race that keeps the ladies away, unless you have been told that by the lady you will never know. Until you try-holla!
How are Black Men, specifically from America are accepted by women in Colombia?
I'm mainly talking about light skin Colombians, I know there Black Colombians but just like going down to Brazil to bang Black Brazilians seems pointless to me.
I date all kinds of women but I've had problems with dating attractive Latinas here for some reason.
So I'm just wondering what is the general reaction you get?I'm also an African American male that loves light skinned Latinas. I've visited Medellin 4 times and will be returning September 11. I've noticed that a lot of the light skinned paisas that I've met through marriage agencies like A Foreign Affair don't seem interested in me. Some have even come right out and said my skin color was the reason they wouldn't date me. There's a misconception that life in America with a Black man will be miserable and we'll treat them worse than a Colombian man. A lot of it is based on the images they may see of a Black man when they watch American television. If we're not scoring a touchdown, slam dunking or rapping you see us in a wife beater and handcuffs. I've had more success with the paisas I've met that are from less privileged backgrounds, not as educated or professional and through mongering. That's how I met the girl that I'm presently seeing. The paisas that come from the upper class seem to be looking for the blond haired blue eyed White American dream. A Black man can find success with the light skinned paisas. You just have to know where to look for the ones that are interested in you.
Hi all,
Brand new here. I am hoping to start travelling to Colombia very soon. I have started to learn some Spanish and doing lots of reading on here, but few general questions I hope you veteran travellers can help
1. Romancelatina.com. I understand majority of the girls are working girls But is there a way to tell which girl is working girl and which is not? I do not want to ask a regular girl how much she charges per hour. What are some thing or questions you ask to determine?
2. Between Bogota / Medelline, where should a first timer stay? Does it matter or equally as good. I believe it is Bogota that weather is more hot
3. I know Spanish is important, but how much Espanol do I need to know before heading down, able to communicate in a full conversation, or some phrases are good enough to start? Do most people/girls know some basic English at least?
(for first trip, I would like to have like a guide before heading down. Have contacted few on Craigslist, but if I can meet girls from RomanceLatina, even better, no luck yet though)
4. I am Chinese. Is that a big deal, does it make a difference at all in Colombia?
Anything else anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated. There is a ton of stuff here to learn.
DJ FourMoney
08-31-10, 06:05
From what I've gathered from my extensive world travels(not just mongering)
And also being a minority(IE not white). I find that there is a sort of discrimination against "Dark Skinned" people in general. They see it sort of like
"You are a farmer and you work outside so you are dark"
I find this to be the case in Colombia too. The darker Colombians get a bit of the shaft as it were.
Also I read an article in one of the local paper that said the same thing pretty much.
Just my observationsThat's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.
Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.
I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.
But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.
Caliguy 2010
08-31-10, 07:10
That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.
Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.
I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.
But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.I have been to Colombia 2 times both to CTG. I am a US citizen with parents born in Mexico. I am fairly dark skin I guess, but my experiences have been very positive. I had no trouble pulling light skined girls. In my opinion as long as you are respectful and all about having a good time, it doesn't matter what the color of your skin is. Also on my way back to th states I met a black guy from New Jersey that was there with Loveme.com. He said he had a blast and said he ran out of condoms in the week he was there. So my advice just go ther with good intentions and you will be rewarded! Have a great time. I will be in MDE in Nov. If anybody is out there at that time hit me up. I will be bringing a few bottles of the best Tequila I can get my hand on at the Tequila Fest in Tijuana in Oct.
For the Most part, I think the latinas are looking for a man that knows how to carry himself, and that is financially secure.
Of course women are going to have physcal preferences, just like you have preferences but if you are able to meet then somehow you can kill her with kindness.
Take a Spanish, or dance class-while you are in Colombia.
Find an introduction site and try to cultivate a relationship online.
It does help to speak Spanish. If you become competent in Spanish that in it self is going to set you apart.
Now, I would not worry about one light skinned hooker turning you down, becuase there is one behind her that is good to go. Just don't insist, why insist on a hooker that does not want to go to the room. Not even by offering more-you will just have to put up with the attitude.
To end, I would like to say that it is not always race that keeps the ladies away, unless you have been told that by the lady you will never know. Until you try-holla!Very good post. Discrimination exist's, but is this going to stop you from being who you are? Being were privileged and living in America, we sometime's feel all women are going to do flip's to be with us. We still have to offer something with money. Unless she is just a trick.
Please understand there are different cultural aspect's. For instance, my ex Dominicana who is darker than me got upset when I put my arm next to her's and said she is black. Should I get upset or try to figure out how she was brain washed? Just like you want her to understand being black in America, you have to understand her culture.
You overcome this by putting yourself forward in a presentable manner, instead of saying"I got money". Learn her culture and she will want to learn yours.
LuckyEddie
08-31-10, 12:54
That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.
Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.
I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.
But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive."Date" is a questionable word and means just about everything on this sex forum which is 90% about paying for sex.
Are you looking looking for putas or is it that light skinned girls do not exist in the US or your home country therefor you are setting out to find women in other countries for marriage prospect or long term relationships due to the scarcity?
If you are looking for hookers 1 in 20 may avoid you but that will not a be prob - all money is green so to speak.
If you are looking for a girlfriend for a week while you are on vacation only the desperate will buy into that no matter what color your skin.
There is s level of prejudice and regionalism here and this has dated back to before television.
As funny as it sounds some parents would rather see their daughter with a dark skinned paisa than a lighter skinned costeño.
These days there is a slew of good looking 25-35 yo blond blue eyed foreigners who have money and speak spanish extremely well (German, Holland, Denmark and Swiss). The good girls are getting spoiled with tons of options in their dream guys not available just 5 years ago.
Remember Medellín is one city - the rest of the world is a big place with a lot of horny guys.
No use trying to figure everything out, just come down and get rolling, the ones that don't want you will make it clear.
AddictedToWomen
08-31-10, 14:34
The paisas that come from the upper class seem to be looking for the blond haired blue eyed White American dream. My experience is the lower class generally have the sueño mexicano, the lower middle class the sueño norte-americano, and the upper middle class the sueño europeo.
The upper class don't have any desire to leave Colombia apart from for regular holidays in their apartments in NY, London.
That's what I have heard as well, even read an article about a year ago.
Not saying there's a correlation but on some of the marriage agency sites, I notice that most of the Black men that make their way down to Colombia, Peru, etc, etc seem to hook up with darker skinned women or Black Latinas.
I generally date White Women, so I would extend that preference anywhere I went and one reason why I would go to Curitiba or Sao Paulo over Rio when I finally make it down to Brazil.
But with Colombia being very affordable, I wanted to give it a shot and the women can be neck breaking attractive.IMO opinion there has always seemed to be a global indoctrination in which mean and women crave those with lighter skin. Until recently when I began to read some books on neuroscience it was only then that I learned where this bias comes from. Seems that we are all programmed at an unconscious level to create patterns so we can better function in the world. The book explained how our brain innocuously associates what is good with white and what is negative with Black due to our worldly observations without us being consciously aware of it. This is only exasperated by the social dynamic that has been created in many cultures. As of right now there seems to not be any means of reversing this phenomena except for maybe we all identity and try to consciously control our biases. But that will never happen. Till then you just have to find the ones that can think above this irrational behavior. I have also noticed that if one hangs around with White guys that it seems that lighter skinned women are more responsive to you. As if on a subconscious level you are ok because you have White friends.
Even still I have seen many White men that still do not have access to the "upper class" just by being white. They may have access to more women overall but the end result seems like they always get fleeced by some crafty Asian, South American, or Russian woman. I figure what is the point of having more choices if the end result sucks.
Has anyone on the board ever heard of "el que no come burro no es hombre"?
I heard saw a video, and talked to a girlfriend about this and she confirmed it. It appears as if in the mountains of Cartegena in an effort to keep the ladies chaste the young men are encouraged to entertain the idea of having sex with donkeys.
Is this a wives tale or do they still encourage and or accept such things in the North of Colombia?It's true that in the more rural and poorer areas of the north coast, a lot of young men have their first sexual experience with a donkey (burro). I think it's a bit exaggerated but there's a video about this phenomena on vbs.tv The title of the clip is "Asses of the Caribbean" I shit you not! :) Just type that in the search box and check out the vid. Some of the boys that admit to doing it on the clip look no more than 10 or 11 years old!! There's a lot of Colombian jokes and internet cartoons about this phenomena.
Bango Cheito
09-01-10, 07:00
My experience is the lower class generally have the sueño mexicano, the lower middle class the sueño norte-americano, and the upper middle class the sueño europeo.
The upper class don't have any desire to leave Colombia apart from for regular holidays in their apartments in NY, London.I don't think very many people want to leave here.
Bango Cheito
09-01-10, 07:26
It's true that in the more rural and poorer areas of the north coast, a lot of young men have their first sexual experience with a donkey (burro). I think it's a bit exaggerated but there's a video about this phenomena on vbs.tv The title of the clip is "Asses of the Caribbean" I shit you not! :) Just type that in the search box and check out the vid. Some of the boys that admit to doing it on the clip look no more than 10 or 11 years old!! There's a lot of Colombian jokes and internet cartoons about this phenomena.It's very real.
DoloresThomas
09-01-10, 09:19
IMO opinion there has always seemed to be a global indoctrination in which mean and women crave those with lighter skin. Until recently when I began to read some books on neuroscience it was only then that I learned where this bias comes from. Seems that we are all programmed at an unconscious level to create patterns so we can better function in the world. The book explained how our brain innocuously associates what is good with white and what is negative with Black due to our worldly observations without us being consciously aware of it. Opposites attract. I don't know if this stands for long-term partnerships, but my personal observations lead me to believe that whatever is strange, exotic, uncommon or rare, seems to be extremely attractive.
In Cuzco and other regions in Peru, locals cultivate their aboriginal image, contrary to mainstream canons of Western beauty. Instead of being tall and fair skinned, these small, brown men, with long black and greasy hair and furry upper lips seem seem to be a European woman's delight. You should see how gorgeous, young and well-to-do German and Dutch ladies fight over these guys, and even pay (not openly - some kind of "sponsorship" figure applies) to be fucked by them.
San Andres, as well as other islands in the Caribbean, hold witness to this tendency. The blackest men, far from the common stereotype of the better-off man (more rasta-like, easygoing beach dudes), get to fuck the blond broads.
Big men prefer petite ladies, Europeans and North Americans crave Latinas, African and Oriental babes, while their counterparts dream of blue eyes and close-to-white manes.
Simple economy: whatever is scarce is higly valued and consequently sought after; works for gold, chapagne, swiss watches, truffles and whatever kind of pussy you don't seem to be able to have. And so the world turns...
DJ FourMoney
09-01-10, 09:28
That's the sort of input I wanted.
DJ FourMoney
09-01-10, 09:31
"Date" is a questionable word and means just about everything on this sex forum which is 90% about paying for sex.
Are you looking looking for putas or is it that light skinned girls do not exist in the US or your home country therefor you are setting out to find women in other countries for marriage prospect or long term relationships due to the scarcity?
If you are looking for hookers 1 in 20 may avoid you but that will not a be prob - all money is green so to speak.
If you are looking for a girlfriend for a week while you are on vacation only the desperate will buy into that no matter what color your skin.
There is s level of prejudice and regionalism here and this has dated back to before television.
As funny as it sounds some parents would rather see their daughter with a dark skinned paisa than a lighter skinned costeño.
These days there is a slew of good looking 25-35 yo blond blue eyed foreigners who have money and speak spanish extremely well (German, Holland, Denmark and Swiss). The good girls are getting spoiled with tons of options in their dream guys not available just 5 years ago.
Remember Medellín is one city - the rest of the world is a big place with a lot of horny guys.
No use trying to figure everything out, just come down and get rolling, the ones that don't want you will make it clear.Why put "Date" in quotations? lol
I use the word "date" as a replacement for a woman I'm seeing exclusively; non-pro, freebie, civilian whatever you wanna call it. I use P4P as a replacement for chasing women in bars and nightclubs.
I will come down, not to worry and thanks.
Hola Mundo
09-12-10, 16:03
I was surprised to learn that the Valentine's Day in Colombia is in this month compared to what I knew to be in February. For you guys who have novias or pregagos in Colombia send them some flower or at least call them – Yes, I have one of those. Here is the info.
“ In most of South America the Día del amor y la amistad and the Amigo secreto ("Secret friend") are quite popular and usually celebrated together on the 14 of February (one exception is Colombia, where it is celebrated every third Saturday of September).– from Wikipedia”. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day
This year, September 18, is the “Dia del Amor & Amistand en Colombia” – that means, you still have time.
I found these websites to send flowers, but experts who live in Colombia will know more about the options, and how big deal this is in Colombia:
http://florcolombia.com/flores-a-colombia/enviar-flores-a-colombia.html
http://www.daflores.com/colombia/
Member #3435
09-13-10, 03:29
I was surprised to learn that the Valentine's Day in Colombia is in this month compared to what I knew to be in February. For you guys who have novias or pregagos in Colombia send them some flower or at least call them – Yes, I have one of those. Here is the info.
“ In most of South America the Día del amor y la amistad and the Amigo secreto ("Secret friend") are quite popular and usually celebrated together on the 14 of February (one exception is Colombia, where it is celebrated every third Saturday of September).– from Wikipedia”. Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine's_Day
This year, September 18, is the “Dia del Amor & Amistand en Colombia” – that means, you still have time.
I found these websites to send flowers, but experts who live in Colombia will know more about the options, and how big deal this is in Colombia:
http://florcolombia.com/flores-a-colombia/enviar-flores-a-colombia.html
http://www.daflores.com/colombia/Thanks for the reminder,
It seems the last few years someone has shouted a heads-up for this date on this board and in my case, it is well received.
Hola Mundo is 100% correct on the significance of this date. In Colombia, but to my knowledge not throughout Latin America, September 18th is the equivalent of Valentines day in the USA Sure they all know about Valentines day in February and it's nice to recognize it but the Dia de Amor y Amistades in September is the sweetheart date that counts.
Send a card, make the call that you normally make or send on Valentines day, birthday, etc, etc.
For the ones that REALLY put out, ehhh, I mean, deserve it.)
Schwmm
Hi,
Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?
I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.
Best,
DD
Hi,
Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?
I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.
Best,
DDNo offense, but there are suckers born every minute. You might think you are getting a girl the is a "cultivated companion", but do not be surprised to see them working in LDV trying to make money off of the tourists. There are exceptions of course.
My advise go to the mall and start talking to the girls working in the stores. Walk around Bocagrande, smile and start a conversation with someone that strikes your fancy.
My wife and I were in Cartagena four years ago when I met a gentleman from Boston who had a pretty girl on his arm. He had a big smile and told me he thought this girl was the one for him. It was difficult for me to tell him that my wife whispered to me "She a bad girl". My wife goes to LaPerla quite a bit to play roulette and talk with friends and she told me the girls from LDV would show up in the casino to take a break from the smoke and noise. She recognized this girl being with a different man each night.
So please be careful.
Hi,
Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?
I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.
Best,
DDDd,
This is how I started my journeys to Colombia 3 years ago. I've been on several trips through A Foreign Affair and Colombian Angels which is now http://www.Latingirldating.com. I had some good times and met some nice non pros. On the romance tours I found myself overwhelmed by so many women it was hard to choose only 1. Not too many guys find the 1 on their first tour. It usually takes several trips before that may happen. I also started finding that some non pros are up to no good just like the pros. I found out one girl I was writing for a couple of months before a trip was engaged three weeks before my arrival. That's when I started to mix mongering into my trips. Now I have a novia that's trying to get away from the night life and get regular work. I'll see how it goes. Luckily I have a couple of trustworthy friends monitoring her progress in English classes and work training programs. If you're in Medellin I would advise you to go to AFA or Latin Girl's office, look at the catalogs and do some individual dating before doing a tour. You can save money and still meet someone nice.
Dd,
This is how I started my journeys to Colombia 3 years ago. I've been on several trips through A Foreign Affair and Colombian Angels which is now http://www.Latingirldating.com. I had some good times and met some nice non pros. On the romance tours I found myself overwhelmed by so many women it was hard to choose only 1. Not too many guys find the 1 on their first tour. It usually takes several trips before that may happen. I also started finding that some non pros are up to no good just like the pros. I found out one girl I was writing for a couple of months before a trip was engaged three weeks before my arrival. That's when I started to mix mongering into my trips. Now I have a novia that's trying to get away from the night life and get regular work. I'll see how it goes. Luckily I have a couple of trustworthy friends monitoring her progress in English classes and work training programs. If you're in Medellin I would advise you to go to AFA or Latin Girl's office, look at the catalogs and do some individual dating before doing a tour. You can save money and still meet someone nice.Thanks, very helpful.
No offense, but there are suckers born every minute. You might think you are getting a girl the is a "cultivated companion", but do not be surprised to see them working in LDV trying to make money off of the tourists. There are exceptions of course.
My advise go to the mall and start talking to the girls working in the stores. Walk around Bocagrande, smile and start a conversation with someone that strikes your fancy.
My wife and I were in Cartagena four years ago when I met a gentleman from Boston who had a pretty girl on his arm. He had a big smile and told me he thought this girl was the one for him. It was difficult for me to tell him that my wife whispered to me "She a bad girl". My wife goes to LaPerla quite a bit to play roulette and talk with friends and she told me the girls from LDV would show up in the casino to take a break from the smoke and noise. She recognized this girl being with a different man each night.
So please be careful.Hi,
I am experienced mongerer and am unlikely to be duped by prostitutues claiming to be something they are not.
I don't like being seen with prostitutes in public and don't realy care for 90% of the prostitutes that I meet.
But if a guy wants to take his wife from a bordello its his business.
I prefer medium term arrangements and surmised that the women of reputable introduction agency may be gold diggers or a bit jaded but are more of what I desire.
Hi,
I am experienced mongerer and am unlikely to be duped by prostitutues claiming to be something they are not.
I don't like being seen with prostitutes in public and don't realy care for 90% of the prostitutes that I meet.
But if a guy wants to take his wife from a bordello its his business.
I prefer medium term arrangements and surmised that the women of reputable introduction agency may be gold diggers or a bit jaded but are more of what I desire.Just because you are an experienced monger does not mean you are wise to those who try to make a buck off men who want to find true love and happiness. I hope you take the advise because Colombianas are great actresses.
I met my wife by starting a conversation and asking her to show me the city. Over a period of time we built our relationship. That can't be done in a week or two by being inundated by many girls at one time. If you can find a gem and be able to build over a period of time by visiting her several times over a year, then yes it might be the way you want to go.
You sought advise and when you did not get the answer you wanted you start attacking. I was just offering my experience in seeing these men come into town from AFA and getting the puppy dog look in their eyes and falling in love without really knowing the girl. There are many girls from AFA that are constantly in LDV.
Because my wife has the resources and time to go to both the Rio and LaPerla casinos she knows what goes on. I assume you were not inferring that she was straight out of a ***** house. If you were, you should offer an apology and not make statements unless you are willing to say it to my face. If not, then the best of luck to you in your search.
Just because you are an experienced monger does not mean you are wise to those who try to make a buck off men who want to find true love and happiness. I hope you take the advise because Colombianas are great actresses.
I met my wife by starting a conversation and asking her to show me the city. Over a period of time we built our relationship. That can't be done in a week or two by being inundated by many girls at one time. If you can find a gem and be able to build over a period of time by visiting her several times over a year, then yes it might be the way you want to go.
You sought advise and when you did not get the answer you wanted you start attacking. I was just offering my experience in seeing these men come into town from AFA and getting the puppy dog look in their eyes and falling in love without really knowing the girl. There are many girls from AFA that are constantly in LDV.
Because my wife has the resources and time to go to both the Rio and LaPerla casinos she knows what goes on. I assume you were not inferring that she was straight out of a ***** house. If you were, you should offer an apology and not make statements unless you are willing to say it to my face. If not, then the best of luck to you in your search.Hi Otiers,
I did not intend to offend you or imply that your wife was taken from a bordello. You seem like type of guy who would take precautions for this not to occur.
No matter how tawdry or uncouth I think this to be, I don’t care if another man does so. I think that most of these sorts of arrangements end in disaster and as they are usually built on deceit and lies by one or both parties, but I know of know of one Maj in the USAF that took a wife from a *****house in Kosovo and they live a decent middle class American life. Good for them.
I think that some hookers are ok people but most of the ones that I have met all over the world are both lazy and stupid. And those traits are tough to shake if a gal wants to go straight and be successful or complement your success.
I would be willing to pay a premium to have a stable of 3-5 dinner dates in CTG for a month that are middle class women with jobs who speak decent English. That’s what I am after. If I can pay $1300 to be introduced to 40-50 women, of which 15-25 will be the job holding professional chicas that I desire, and if 7 to 12 of the aforementioned will like me and I will like them then the trip will be a smashing success; if I can meet four to five such women the trip will be a success.
I think that an introduction service is good venue to facilitate this.
I doubt that a Latina—or any other woman for than matter-- won’t put out after three dates if she’s attracted to you so I’m not worried about expending time and resources and being left high and dry.
Look, of course, I know that if I call a woman at 1100 on Monday and she is sleep my bs detector starts beeping. I also know that if I see a woman with no job with a multitude of trips aboard I know that she is on the circuit…nobody visits friends in Dubai for two months. I know what most of these “models” do unless they work for a handful of agencies…and even then.
The problem with these boards is that the audience varies so widely that it’s hard to strike the correct tone. At times a simple recital of facts appears to some as arrogant when I feel that context is necessary, even crucial. (Apparent) wealth, looks, age, language ability, charm, availability, (apparent) social strata, are all factors which impact one’s experience with the ladies.
I’m a far cry from the typical Yankee guy who comes down on a love tour for a week and is puppy struck by the routine of the ladies.
I agree that your advice and warnings is good intel for most people.
The beer is on me if we can link up in CTG or MDE next month. Didn't mean to offend.
Cheers,
DD
Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?
Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?
No smoking in clubs and resteraunts.
Hi Otiers,
I did not intend to offend you or imply that your wife was taken from a bordello. You seem like type of guy who would take precautions for this not to occur.
No matter how tawdry or uncouth I think this to be, I don’t care if another man does so. I think that most of these sorts of arrangements end in disaster and as they are usually built on deceit and lies by one or both parties, but I know of know of one Maj in the USAF that took a wife from a *****house in Kosovo and they live a decent middle class American life. Good for them.
I think that some hookers are ok people but most of the ones that I have met all over the world are both lazy and stupid. And those traits are tough to shake if a gal wants to go straight and be successful or complement your success.Thanks for the explanation. I do wish you the best. Since you will be there for a month, then you will be able to meet a few normal women. Another way to meet single available women is to talk get to know some families because the wife will know friends or a sister or niece to introduce you.
A few years ago before I was married, I met a family from Barranquilla staying in the apartment building I was staying. I still get emails from them and they still send me pictures of women they want me to meet. When I go married seven years ago, I was in the waiting area at the airport when the young woman who worked with my wife and I to organize our wedding and reception at the Hotel Caribe was on the same plane as mine. We were able to sit together and talk the entire trip and she told me she would have liked to have known me before I got married. So, keep your radar up and you will meet many women.
Per my previous posts in the Cartagena section, I decided to have my wife attempt to go to the embassy one more time. Her appointment is Oct 7th, so if she gets it, I will be returning to Cartagena late Oct or early Nov. I would love to meet up for a beer and perhaps my wife can arrange one of her friends to come along.
John Gault
09-23-10, 03:19
Can you smoke in the strip clubs in Bogota and Medellin?
You must go outside the club to smoke.
I went back till the reports of May 2010 but couldn't find any information on motels in Pereira. One of you mentioned Bolivar Square for nice hotels, but I need a motel to avoid risks for her.
BTW I did Google for motels in Pereira and got a list.
But I need recomendations and prices.
I would be willing to pay a premium to have a stable of 3-5 dinner dates in CTG for a month that are middle class women with jobs who speak decent English. That’s what I am after. If I can pay $1300 to be introduced to 40-50 women, of which 15-25 will be the job holding professional chicas that I desire, and if 7 to 12 of the aforementioned will like me and I will like them then the trip will be a smashing success; if I can meet four to five such women the trip will be a success.
I think that an introduction service is good venue to facilitate thisIf a guy speaks decent spanish, has at least a semi-outgoing personality, seems to have a kind heart, and is pleasant looking (model looks not required at all) he can EASILY meet nice regular chicas in Colombia, especially a place like Barranquilla where the people are naturally friendly.
Meet girls and the malls, both customers and shop employees, restaurants, hair salons. (yes, if you see a nice looking girl cutting hair or doing nails, go in and get service and chat), from friends that you make and want to set you up, etc, etc.
You just never know who you'll meet and a lot depends on luck and taking advantage of your luck. Being at the right place at the right time and acting upon it.
In Brazil, my current girlfriend I met on the metro (subway) about a year ago.
I was lucky enough to be on the metro, in the same car, at the same time as her.
I spotted her, beautiful, sitting there and as nervous as I was, I talked to her, acted a little lost on the train, (girls love to help a lost guy) and we hit off.
I was lucky and took advantage of my luck otherwise it would have been just another lost opportunity.
The key is being able to speak the language and not being afraid to chat with a beautiful, younger lady. Because. You're not in the cold cultured west.
The intro service / online services, well of course I've tried them, but it's just not for me.
The owners of these intro services, I've had friends running these businesses, care only about getting your money, but they will be smiling and making promises the whole way.
Of course, if you're not a spanish speaker, this may be your better option, the intro service.
You will meet women, and you may get lucky.
Just be aware, the nicer looking girls will most likely be communicating with more guys than you and they might not admit it.
Remeber, Colombia has gotten pretty popular with lonely western guys searching / hoping to find love.
My favorites, are the girls I meet, whether in Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil, that have never really even met a foreigner.
The number one, most important thing a guy can do is learn to speak the local language. Spanish.
Incredible to me that guys want to go and meet a COLOMBIANA, maybe for marriage, and severely LIMIT themselves to english speaking girls only.
The vast majority of girls, even educated ones, don't speak english.
If you're serious about meeting latinas. Learn spanish, earnestly. It will pay off emmensley.
Talk to any guy about his experiences before speaking spanish and after, and 100 percent will tell you of the incredible difference with both regular and working girls.
When I first began visiting Brazil almost 5 years ago, I figured I would just use spanish to communicate.
WRONG. I felt like un idiota again, communicating like a kindergartner.
So, I studied like a mad-man and practiced and learned the language (portuguese).
Now, I can communicate again and it's back to milk and honey with the Brasileiras.
Ok. Enough rambling.
Good luck to ya.
Robby Burns
09-23-10, 19:43
Hi,
Can anyone offer their insights on marriage agency tours in Colombia? Is the $1300 bucks or so worth it? What were your experiences like? Were the women of higher quality than what a mongerer would normally have access to?
I have no serious interests in taking a wife from such a tour but if the right women avials herself who knows. I am seeking a more cultivated companion than a ***** from LDV. Thanks.
Best,
DDI was in MDE last month and I went to visit the office of AFA (in the Poblado district). There were four women there. The manager, and three associates.
They were very pleasant to me during my 30-minute visit (I did not pay any money. I only asked questions) but I think I may have uncovered a bit of a scam.
While I was talking to them, I noticed that two of the women were at computers, copying text from sheets of paper on their desk. I was able to catch a glimpse of what was on those sheets of paper, and they appeared to be "letters" that were being written by "women seeking men. "
In other words. Fake letters being being written by the AFA staff to unsuspecting men in the USA
I am not 100% certain that this was the case. But I am 90% certain.
If you want to get the AFA "experience" you can do it for as little as $50 per introduction. You go into their local office (in whatever city they have them) and look at their "Member's book". Or you can request a woman by her ID number on their website. For "only" $50 they will arrange a meeting at their office, and then you can take the woman to a nearby cafe or restaurant.
Next level of participation is to go to one of their scheduled parties. That will cost around $350 in MDE (IF I am remembering correctly). But you can meet many women, and then get their phone numbers. However, these parties only occur during one of their "tours" from the USA
Next level is to join their Latin Club. I think it is around $595 for unlimited introductions (usually at the AFA office) for a 7-day period. So, if the scheduling is possible, you can meet 4 or 5 women every day for a 1-2 hour date. For 7 straight days. I am not sure if this level includes attending one of their parties.
My point is that you do not have to spend the $1,300 (or more) to get some of their benefits. You can start as low as $50.
Just beware of my original discovery. The letter-writers were young assistants working in their office. It is very easy for this outfit to have "agreements" with the more beautiful women on their roster.
"Hey. Show up at our office. Go on a 1-hour date. We'll pay you $20. "
That is way more than what many women earn in MDE for several hours. Plus they will get a nice cup of coffee or lunch or dinner from you. Then, they will go on to the next "date. "
I do not mean to be cynical. I am simply reporting what I saw.
I do not mean to be cynical. I am simply reporting what I saw.Robby, it's possible those assistants were just transcribing the letters; you'd be surprise how many colombians don't have the internet access and computers we take for granted.
Still, these agencies are at the very least partial scams; I'll grant a lot of the girls are probably paid a small sum of cash to be available for dates/outings/parties. For most guys, it's a waste of money, although I grant that for some men who are shy, inexperienced with foreign travel, don't know the language, etc., this might be a safe, acceptable option to meet foreign women.
But if you are the shy type who's not into the cold approaches that Ricker does, just do what I do. I have several colombian friends and when I hang out with them, go to house parties, clubs, bars, soccer games, outdoor fairs, fincas, etc. it's just amazing how easy it is to meet friendly attractive women. And you already have the "social proof" or "vouching" that your local friend automatically provides for you.
The disadvantage to this method is you often have to compete with other colombian men, including sometimes your friends, lol! But I speak the language well so I can hold my own. My problem is that when I'm alone I tend to revert back to my natural shy/reserved state so the cold approach like what Ricker did with the girl he met on the subway, I wouldn't be able to pull that off. You have to find a strategy that works for you.
Strangeman
09-25-10, 00:08
In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.
As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.
So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)
While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.
Thanks for the input guys.
John Gault
09-25-10, 14:00
In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.
As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.
So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)
While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.
Thanks for the input guys.About 2 years ago I got involved with a beauty from Colombia Cupid. She lives in BAQ and is a sweet honest woman.
Please stop dealing with 4 to 5's on a USA dating service who are fat. Do you hate yourself ? Really I am not kidding. Of course there will be Pro's and scammers on the Latin site, but that is the chance you take, but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs.
Member #3435
09-25-10, 19:27
One of the ways the Colombian military got to and later ID'ed the body of FARC #2 Mono Jojoy is by way of a GPS chip that had been inserted into the heel of one of his boots.
While it was a very extensive operation involving about 70 aircraft and 800 assault troops the short version is that he was killed in the intial bombardment insde his bunker by smart bombs dropped from Super Tucano aircraft.
And here IMO, is one of the more interesting details of the operation: Mono Jojoy was diabetic. Colombian Intelligence learned that to relieve complications from his diabetes he regularly had custom boots made for him. So they infiltrated the calzado (shoemaker) link and had a GPS chip installed in one of his boots.
Not bad. I'm impressed.
Colombia! Always fascinating.
Bango Cheito
09-25-10, 20:20
In planning my trip to Medellin this winter I have joined an online service called Columbian cupid. I am not normally a cynical person but I do have a working bulls*%t meter. In the week and a half since joining I have traded letters with over a half dozen cute girls in the 21-30 age range, turned down talking with another half-dozen not-so-cute girls and had OVER 45 ladies of all looks and age show interest in my profile. All these girls seem genuine in their letters and do not have 'slick' professional profiles. They have real, self taken pics and are able to hold an interesting conversation, albit via translator.
As I am also doing the internet dating thing here in the ole USofA. In the last two months I have talked to less than half a dozen girls, mostly between 4-5 in looks and most overweight. I have been stood up once, brushed off once and had one real date that I later regretted. It's pretty bad when a girl can literally make a sailor blush with her conduct in public.
So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)
While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.
Thanks for the input guys.You need to upgrade your bullshit meter. Colombian women are very practical at the core, their cultured ways and good conversational skills notwithstanding. If you don't even speak the language you are at a MASSIVE disadvantage.
Ask yourself honestly, am I good looking? Am I good looking by Colombian standards (the bar is WAY higher here, in case you haven't noticed)? Can I dance? Can I dance by Colombian standards (unless it's a rocker chick, they care a lot about dancing)? How good is my Spanish? How good is my knowledge of local customs and culture?
As a sailor you've probably had lots of pussy so are good in bed, and considering the USD is still way overvalued, you have a big advantage in purchasing power here. But be honest with yourself about your disadvantages and be sure that the women are as much aware of them as you are and more.
About 2 years ago I got involved with a beauty from Colombia Cupid. She lives in BAQ and is a sweet honest woman.
Please stop dealing with 4 to 5's on a USA dating service who are fat. Do you hate yourself ? Really I am not kidding. Of course there will be Pro's and scammers on the Latin site, but that is the chance you take, but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs."but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs."
I love it! LOL LOL LOL
Just thought I would throw this in to show there are exceptions if this does not turn out to the bait and switch. Too much of that shit in the US! Specially out of NY.
"but at least you will be with sharp looking woman,not Gringa pigs."
I love it! LOL LOL LOL
So my question is this: Is my experience on columbian cupid what can be expected for the gringo in Columbia? Is there REALLY that much of a difference in AW and CW? Or is 90% of the responses I am getting online scams (I. E. Working girls posing as civilians, girls wanting the green card, more nefarious criminal activity targeting gringos, etc?)
While the girls I converse with seem genuine, when compared with the typical AW response my BS meter starts pinging.
Thanks for the input guys.My experience with the civilians is more based in Lima Peru, with the sister site Latinamericancupid. And always YMMV. But keeping that in mind and that I have also easily gotten a few dates with sincere, attractive Paisas as well without putting much time into it. My answer is YES, there is that big of a difference! I am 46 yo and though I look late 30s and have a pleasant face and smile and am reasonably fit, I find I have zero to offer the gringas and vice versa. A recent venture onto OKCupid here in the northeast US has been a total bust despite my best effort.
Meanwhile when in Lima. I've been there many times over the past decade. I have no problem getting tons of dates with decently attractive sincere (mostly) women from their mid twenties to mid thirties via latincupid. Getting dates has been dead simple, how many you actually bang depends on many factors, your level of game, attractiveness, standards, etc. My own score rate has never been that high but my last Lima trip ended with a memorable wild night in the arms of a 28 year old lovely (7. 5 face, 8 body, 9 smile and personality). Just as I have tapped her pussy she has tapped my wallet a bit, there is of course almost always a financial aspect as these women, typically they are low paid office workers, just don't have much dinero and they can be SO appreciative of a little financial help especially if they have a bebe or two to support.
To sum, the combination of a bit of generosity and just being a pleasant sincere guy (I always tell them up front I am not looking to be serious or have a long-distance relationship, but just am looking to meet nice people) and decent spanish and willingness to go out dancing can go a long way. I do speak very good spanish which is a huge asset for me.
As far as MDE my upcoming trips will be brief, and GFE has been for me so good with the Paisa prepagos that for efficiency sake if nothing else I am probably going to stick with the pros there at least for the most part, they treat me so good!
Sofia Vergara was recently chosen no. 1 in this category with good reason.
John Gault
10-05-10, 14:24
Sofia Vergara was recently chosen no. 1 in this category with good reason.Not a bad looking woman, contact info? LOL
Yes I am a sick pup, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
One time a famous Mansion Chica (name withheld to protect her future earning capabilitys) arrived in Mayorista and I took her for 30K and even with my limited Spanish it became a TLN.
So if the famous and drop dead beautiful Sofia Verara parks her butt in Mayorista I may even splurge a little and offer her 50k
Thats what dreams are made of.
BTW, as I write this little piece of nonsence, I am waiting in FLL for my flight to MDE. I should in action by this afternoon. Reports to follow as always.
Strangeman
10-06-10, 00:33
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
Thanks
Member #4349
10-06-10, 11:56
One of the few spanish words I know - i believe it translates to "sure", as in "Sure I'll fuck you senseless."
Manizales911
10-06-10, 13:39
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksYou are correct, it is similar to us saying "exactly", "for sure", some people will use it instead of an affirmative "yes".
MiamiHeatLuver
10-06-10, 13:49
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksYes in the the Latino Spanish language it is used to (reaffirm, agree, for sure) with you.
OrientalExpress
10-06-10, 14:33
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksVery simple. It means "of course".
John Gault
10-06-10, 15:07
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksI always thought it meant I am clear on that. Exactly is right also.
Claro, short for claro que sí, means "of course"
Man, you guys are really splitting the atom today. My brain hurts. WTF?
Errol Flynn
10-07-10, 05:47
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksSkylight? What dictionary are you using?
Claro: clear. like "clearly so" or "of course".
claro, short for claro que sí, means "of course"the most literal and comun meaning. with a bit of empahsis, it also can mean "obviously" and is often used intead of "de acuerdo" or "estoy de acuerdo" meaning- i agree.
just very sublte differences, but basically "of course" nails it.
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksStrangeman,
Heck, any stooge knows the answer to that.
Claro! = Soitenly!
Cheers,
Cubanut
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?
ThanksBelow descriptions accurate but even easier.
It means "Yes, clearly."
Below descriptions accurate but even easier.
It means "Yes, clearly."Ok Ok. Enough of the "claro" definitions.
I think we all get it by now.
What does "basta" mean? Jejeje
Question for the bi-lingual mongers here. I am lining up a few girls online for my arrival in Colombia and use an online translator to chat with them. They often use the word "claro" which translates literally as sky light. But based on the context of how they use it, I think it is meant to be roughly the equivalent of saying "Exactly! " in English when you agree with someone. Can anyone confirm or elaborate on how this word is used?"Claro" is a shortened version of "Claramente" in this context, which, as others have noted, means "clearly so" or "certainly" or "of course" or "sure" and sometimes "I agree". Sr. Strangeman, this is a phrase that you want to hear often from the ladies you are in contact with. On the other hand, if you get "Hay No! " (pronounced "eye no! ", usually with great emphasis) you could take that to have rather a negative connotation. Perhaps not what you were hoping to hear.
But I like Biffa's answer best.
Member #3435
10-08-10, 02:59
Strangeman,
Heck, any stooge knows the answer to that.
Claro! = Soitenly!
Cheers,
CubanutI concur.
Soitenly is the official definition I've recognized for years.
Cubanut is correct.
Schwmm
Member #4394
10-08-10, 05:13
I feel nuance of "sure" or "of course".
Below descriptions accurate but even easier.
It means "Yes, clearly."
John Gault
10-10-10, 16:01
On the subject of Non pros, I always thought that by me actually checking out where they are working I would assure myself that they were not pros.
Yesterday in Mde while
I was looking to get a haircut I see a woman cutting hair who is a regular weekend Puta in Mayorista.
So much for being a Dick Tracy.
I once read on this board that 90% of the lower class girls in Colombia can be had for money. I for one can not fault that statement.
So I guess that if you like a non pro /Puta, catch her when she is on the street. It will be much cheaper. LOL
Hey guys,
I would rather stay in apartament or studio instead of a hotel.
I have had some exchanges with places I have found in the web and on lists here. At least a couple of the places have left me wondering if I am not in for some kind of ripoff.
Does anyone know of a thread that details which places are BS or people not to do biz with?
Thanks!
Hey guys,
I would rather stay in apartament or studio instead of a hotel.
I have had some exchanges with places I have found in the web and on lists here. At least a couple of the places have left me wondering if I am not in for some kind of ripoff.
Does anyone know of a thread that details which places are BS or people not to do biz with?
Thanks!Concarne,
I myself prefer apartments instead of hotels. Hotels get in your business too much. They treat every girl you bring to the hotel like she's a prostitute even your non pro novia. Apartments are like your own home. When the girl comes over security calls you and if you say send her up they will without questions. I have rented from Andrew at http://www.theapartmentmedellin.com several times and have never had a problem. I'm from the New York area so I don't consider Andrew's rates of $75-140 a night pricey like some guys. There are cheaper places but all of Andrew's apartments are in the safest part of town, have free internet, good security in the building and come with a cellphone. I splurged on my June trip and rented Penthouse 1408 for $120 a night for a week. What a panty dropping crib! The first level has a half bath, kitchen & living room with a home theater. The second level is the loft master bedroom with a 50 inch flat screen. The shower is huge and has 2 shower heads in the ceiling. The third level is the private roof deck with a jacuzzi and a barbeque grill. I had a good time in there. I fucked 5 Romance Latina girls (Bibiana & Paula twice each, Angie, Sara Julieth & Estefania) during my one week stay. I hope they changed the sheets. If not there is a washing machine.
Concarne,
I myself prefer apartments instead of hotels. Hotels get in your business too much. They treat every girl you bring to the hotel like she's a prostitute even your non pro novia. Apartments are like your own home. When the girl comes over security calls y& Estefania) during my one week stay. I hope they changed the sheets. If not there is a washing machine.Hey thanks for the info! I will keep it handy, sure sounds like the penthouse is the way to go.
Unfortunately this upcoming trip is to Bogota, so right now I am more in need of info for that city. MDE soon, hopefully next year.
Pinaypounder
10-15-10, 20:56
Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.
I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.
She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.
She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.
I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.
We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.
Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.
PP
Ok, I've read the forum and need a few questions answered regarding hotels. Medellin has the Hotel Botero Plaza, it has a great location. Is it girl friendly? Is there a better option in the same area?
Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly? Is the Hotel San Francisco a better option? I have points I could use for the Crowne Plaza, can you get a girl in there? I don't plan on spending a lot of time in the hotel and don't really need one that nice and I have heard it needs updated. True? Is there a girl friendly, quiet, comfortable, hotel in the 60k to 120k range in that area?
I've stayed at the Hotel Botero Plaza a couple of times. Didnt really like the place, its kind of a scrufty-old hotel. I believe its chica friendly.
My preference is the Hotel Nutibara, which is close by. In the same price range, nicer and is chica friendly for the first 2 hours.
But the Nutibara has a pool, sauna and steam baths. Plus has a great breakfast every day.
Ok, I've read the forum and need a few questions answered regarding hotels. Medellin has the Hotel Botero Plaza, it has a great location. Is it girl friendly? Is there a better option in the same area?
Ok, I've read the forum and need a few questions answered regarding hotels. Medellin has the Hotel Botero Plaza, it has a great location. Is it girl friendly? Is there a better option in the same area?
Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly? Is the Hotel San Francisco a better option? I have points I could use for the Crowne Plaza, can you get a girl in there? I don't plan on spending a lot of time in the hotel and don't really need one that nice and I have heard it needs updated. True? Is there a girl friendly, quiet, comfortable, hotel in the 60k to 120k range in that area?I have been told by a couple of posters that the El Virrey is indeed chica friendly. I have not stayed there yet but that is the plan for my upcoming trip if my plans to secure an apt fall by the wayside.
LuckyEddie
10-18-10, 21:45
Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.
I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.
She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.
She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.
I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.
We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.
Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.
PPI would rather define "claro" a few dozen times more.
I hope you understand.
Guys just looking for some feedback. I have been a member here for 9 years just had to change handles cause the old wife kept finding me here.
I have always been an asianphile been to Thailand China and the Philipines more than 20 times. LOVE the Asians and now I live with an educated sexxy ex Colombian, now Canadian.
She is gorgeous and the most erotic women I have ever met and is an ex Lawyer so not a dummy either.
She is ready willing and able (so she says) to engage in all my desires, I have told her at length about my trips to asia, all the things indeed and she craves a 3 some as much as I do, we discuss its constantly when we make love and when we are just sitting.
I ask those with more experience is this a trap? We are living together and making a life in Canada with our kids so all is sincere.
We are travelling soon to Colombia and she is a little concerned the Colombia girls will all want me and steal me. I am no catch I assure u.
Comments are welcome as I am begining to leanr about Columbian women now.
PP
I would rather define "claro" a few dozen times more.
I hope you understand.Now that was one FUNNY response LuckyEd!
I too loved the "claro" debate.
As far as this other guy's post goes. Que?
Mr Enternational
10-19-10, 04:06
Bogota, Hotel El Virrey has a decent location and good price. Is it girl friendly?El Virrey is my hotel of choice in Bogota. When I can get a room that is. They are always full so most definitely make reservations in advance. I have walked up in there plenty of times without a reservation and ended up having to go to another place. Last time a taxi driver out front took me to Hotel La Sabana http://www.Hotellasabana.com/ Calle 23 5-23 phone: 284-4830. It is actually rated above El Virrey and they are about the same price. I highly recommend it.
As far as girl friendly. I think all hotels are girl friendly. Although I have never taken a pro to my hotel because I only monger in Santa Fe, I have taken many non-pros. It's just that the Colombia way is that you have to pay by the person for a room unless it is some monger setup like The Mansion. Once two wingmen and I stayed in a hotel in Bogota for 1 night while we waited our flight to Cali the next morning. We called ourselves getting a triple room so we could save money. Well it ended up costing the same as 3 separate single rooms would have.
Mr Enternational
10-19-10, 04:37
Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "
Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.
So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.
She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.
So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.
I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-19-10, 13:39
Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "
Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.
So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.
She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.
So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.
I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.I agree for the most part (BAD MANNERS) If we are eating something cheap like a hot dog, chuzo or hamburger ill even ask her if she wants to take one back to the kid or (novio, lol) it does seem more prevalent in the lower estrato girls seeming they are more desperate. I always give the taxi pesos no matter what, i figure a girl gets all dolled up in her sunday best to see you, its the least you can do to try and get some poontang.. I as well found it strange that the women were always willing to come to the Hotel or Apartment though sometimes time they wanted to bring a lady friend which i didnt mind too much because 1/2 the time was hotter than my date and like magic I have 2 numbers now lol. What signs did you get that you weren't getting any that a few good tragos de ron o guaro couldn't rectify? lol
SlamCity7777
10-19-10, 15:43
Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "
Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.
So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.
She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.
So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.
I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.I do see you point sir, it is a bit forward or bold of her to ask you for a treat for her son but on the other side of the coin; you could say that you blew a shot at this PYT at the cost of a $7UDS plain cheese pizza.
What is the old expression. "more flies with honey than vinegar"?
IMO: If you would have been more positive minded about this, more "happy-fun-generous-party guy" then "tight fisted.selfish-only looking to F*ck me-Gringo" things might have turned out better. You went from having a nice, fun, relaxed date to a heated, tense, debate about manners. All for a $7 pizza. It's not like she asked you to buy a $200bottle of Vodka at the club for her and her girlfriends.
You could have been like "Oh I'm having problems with the ATM so I can't right now" or a number of reasons.
Most importantly her perception of you has changed; from Cool-Guy to Never-going to-sleep with him ever-Guy.
I have learned that the quickest way to a girls heart(Pussy, moth, and booty hole if that's you thing) is:
1) Dancing 2) Don't be cheap/Don't appear cheap 3) Get her kids on your side or show you're cool with her kids even if you're not.
Just my two cents. When trying to pick up chicks(Foreign and or Domestic) keep it positive. Positive energy and attitude. If you get all defensive and combative you'll be enjoying your plain cheese pizza by yourself after you wank one out instead of cleaning up your load off of her back! LOL!
Cubfan1963
10-19-10, 16:05
Is it me or are these chicks not putting out on the first couple of dates like they used to? I just came in from a date with a chick who I met online a loooonnng time ago. It was our first time meeting in person. First of all chicks here always want to know where you are staying then they want to meet you at the hotel. I don't get that part either. In most other places the first thing chicks holler is, "I'm not going to your hotel. "
Well anyway she asked me to pay for the taxi from her house to my hotel. I agreed. I was the one who asked her to come anyway. We went out for pizza. We rode around so much with her not knowing where the pizza place was that the taxi ended up costing me 20, 000 (that included the 6, 000 from her house to the hotel.) We were very caring together holding hands and kissing and whatnot, but I was sure that she was not going to give anything up. And I don't know about you guys but I am about at my wits end with spending money with these non-pros and they are not putting out.
So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.
She said, "But if you asked for something for your daughter I would. " I told her first of all my daughter is not your responsibility so I would never ask you to buy anything for her especially when you have never met her. I said by the same token your sons are not my responsibility. That is just downright bad manners. She said but I told them I would bring them something. I said that is fine but you should not expect me to pay for what you told them you would bring.
So she went all into cultural issues. I told her that culture has nothing to do with it. The only reason any man in any culture would agree to that is because he was trying to fuck you. And since I was pretty much sure there would be no fucking going on between us tonight I feel that I can be upfront with you and teach you that you should never ask a man to buy something for your kids if he does not know them.
I told her furthermore you never know how much money a man has. Maybe he only has enough for you and him. She said but then he would say he does not have enough. I said no he would not because he has pride and besides that he still wants to fuck you. I asked her to just please do me the favor and never ask any man to buy something for someone he has not invited out with you two. I am pretty sure that she still does not understand my point. But this is Colombia; it's not an option. It comes with the package.Thanks for the update on cultural differences. However, I am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. I don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. If we were to give it a name I suppose it would be the Puta culture.
I have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. Maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?
Bango Cheito
10-19-10, 23:02
thanks for the update on cultural differences. however, i am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. i don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. if we were to give it a name i suppose it would be the puta culture.
i have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?cultural differences my ass. no self-respecting colombian man would be caught dead supporting a kid he knew wasn't his, nor would he get any respect from his peers if he were idiot enough to do so.
it's traditional for a man to pay for dates here but very very bad form for a woman to accept gifts and meals etc from a guy if she's not romantically interested in him. if she has no intentions of being more than friends she should be going dutch. actually, even in romantic situations with women here they often contribute to the cause as well. one girl lives out of town so when i would visit her i'd pay my transport and the room and she'd pay for taxis and food etc.
Thanks for the update on cultural differences. However, I am not sure if it is truely cultural but a woman that really knows how to play the game. I don't know of any culture that really has expectations like what you described. If we were to give it a name I suppose it would be the Puta culture.
I have had limited experience with online hook ups but none like what you illustrated. Maybe she was not the non-pro she professed to be?I don't really think a Colombiana asking for a cheap pizza for her kid(s) at home is 'playing the game' or part of a 'Puta culture'.
It's just a poor single mom wanting to bring something different home for her kids to eat. She wasn't asking for anything extraordinary really.
I personally don't find it a big deal and I wouldn't have lectured her on it, the poor chica probably has a hard enough life as it is.
To each their own though, we all have our own tolerances. I find it much easier to help out a chica when she's asking for her kids.
Just my two cents. When trying to pick up chicks(Foreign and or Domestic) keep it positive. Positive energy and attitude. If you get all defensive and combative you'll be enjoying your plain cheese pizza by yourself after you wank one out instead of cleaning up your load off of her back! LOL!Right on amigo! I'm into the school of positivity too.
So I was ready to ask for the bill when she asked, "Can I get something for my sons first? " I told her no. Her mouth dropped. She asked why. I kept telling her because I said no. After she asked a few more times I said, "Because it is my money. " I had to explain to her that it is really bad manners to ask a man who is out with you to buy something for your kids or anyone who is not present with the two of you.There's a lot of good responses to this already but here's a few more thoughts:
1) It's possible some of these low-estrata girls are a bit "inculta" about these dating niceties. The ideology of much of the colombian poor is "nothing asked is nothing gained," especially when it comes to interacting with the gringo or richer colombianos.
2) Stop arguing with the girls. I mean it. Just stop. :) It's completely pointless and a waste of time, it will accomplish absolutely nothing. If a typical colombiana thinks the sky is green, there is no argument or point in the world that exists that can convince her otherwise. Doesn't matter if she's estrata 1 or 6, they're ALL flaky like that! So don't even try, it only pisses her off even more; conserve your time and energy.
3) Instead of arguing with logic which almost NEVER works with colombianas, fight fire with fire, or in this case, bullshit with bullshit. If you're really interested in seeing her again, come up with any excuse to dangle her along. Tell her you'd be more than happy to buy her son a gift once your Colombian friend pays back the money he owes you "mañana." The next time you see her, tell her your card is not working. And after that, maybe your cell phone got stolen, lol! "Que pena contigo pero [insert bs story here]" is your friend. Just like the locals do, use it every single day in Colombia!!
One of us here has to "take one for the team" and use the "indecent proposal" strategy. It's something I've been thinking about as I lose patience with putting up with the flakes and the bs. It's always about these chicas putting us on the spot. Wouldn't it be fun to turn the situation around and place the pressure right back on them? ;) You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other. I know that seems very jerk-like behavior but this is Colombia, it's a man's world, you can get away with saying almost anything as long as you're not being sexually explicit with what you think are non-pros. Remember that even with their local novios, sex can be somewhat of a "negocio" or transactional in nature. So if you have some cojones, push their annoying requests right back at them with your "special request."
Mr Enternational
10-20-10, 09:13
I guess that I go through so many chicks and have had so many that think just because we are going out and doing something together that it entitles them to a shopping spree on me that I finally blew and had to tell them about themselves. And I find that the ones who are always begging for shit are the ones who are not going to fuck you. It's always the chicks who don't want anything but to spend time with you who have the best character and are going to give you a fucking of a lifetime.
I have made posts before about a girl in Cartagena who thought I was going to bring a Playstation 3 and countless games for her son (actually she did put out like a champ and all she wanted in the end with her full order of dick was a side order of patacones). Then there was the chick in Bogota who suckered me into taking her mom and adult son to dinner with us and afterward she wanted me to give her son money for his architecture supplies. Then the ones who wanted me to top up their phone. (Why the hell do you think I'm going to pay your phone bill for you to call another cat? I'll call you b*ch, you don't need to worry about calling me.) And who was that who went to Exito with the girl and her mom and they thought he was going to pay for the basket of shit that they just picked out?
See all you saw in the story from yesterday was the pizza. Sure it was just 8000 pesos for the pizza but all of this shit together has been brewing. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I just got fed up with the fighting fire with fire and beating around the bush thing and had to be direct. If it would not have been with her then it would have been with the next person.
As far as girl friendly. I think all hotels are girl friendly.Maybe most, but not all. In August I spent a night at Morrison Hotel Bogota - upscale and I enjoyed a night sleeping alone in a beautiful, immaculate and spacious room. But specific policy at this hotel forbids overnight guests for security reasons. Even if the policy was waived, or you took a girl up for a short time, you would have to walk your girl out after a session because one cannot exit via the elevators without the key card.
It was ok for me in this case as this was a stopover before returning home and I was tired and a bit mongered-out after two weeks on the prowl throughout Colombia that had ended with several days hobbying in Medellin..so I preferred to spend that evening resting and happily reliving my prior adventures in my mind rather than look for a final pull for the trip.
2) Stop arguing with the girls. I mean it. Just stop. :) It's completely pointless and a waste of time, it will accomplish absolutely nothing.
... 3) Instead of arguing with logic which almost NEVER works with colombianas, fight fire with fire, or in this case, bullshit with bullshit. If you're really interested in seeing her again, come up with any excuse to dangle her along. Tell her you'd be more than happy to buy her son a gift once your Colombian friend pays back the money he owes you "mañana." The next time you see her, tell her your card is not working. And after that, maybe your cell phone got stolen, lol! "Que pena contigo pero [insert bs story here]" is your friend. Just like the locals do, use it every single day in Colombia!! ...Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.
In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.
Have fun with it.
cultural differences my ass. no self-respecting colombian man would be caught dead supporting a kid he knew wasn't his, nor would he get any respect from his peers if he were idiot enough to do so.really? really?
buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?
wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.
i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.
really? really?
buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?
wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.
i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this. ricker i am with you on this one.a small kind gesture that would have cost the guy less than 10 dollars.
Well, you do as you like, but with me theirs not bullshit. I normally always get along well with the girls, I do not play all those stuiped fucking games. Fuck that.
Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.
In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.
Have fun with it.
Member #3435
10-21-10, 04:06
Now this is great advice!! Guys, read it twice, learn it, practice it.
In Colombia, more than any other place I've ever hung out, the BS really flows, and the arguing and logic go out the window in most cases.
Have fun with it.Ricker:
Agreed. This is good advice with the casual encounter which is the majority type on this board.
And I also liked the following from Phunluv's post:
You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other.That's a basic tenant of Negotiations 101: "If I do this favor for you, what will you do for me?"
Bingo! Door open.
(Not meant to be used in all situations; ie, with regular girls in potential long term relationships. But then again it's my experience with the regular girls I've dated that they would never make such a request.)
Good stuff.
All the best, Schwmm
There's a lot of good responses to this already but here's a few more thoughts:
One of us here has to "take one for the team" and use the "indecent proposal" strategy. It's something I've been thinking about as I lose patience with putting up with the flakes and the bs. It's always about these chicas putting us on the spot. Wouldn't it be fun to turn the situation around and place the pressure right back on them? ;) You want a gift? Sure, come back to my place and the happier you make me, the bigger the gift for your kid/mom/sister/cousin blah, blah. I'm sure most chicas would be shocked and run away, but at least you save your time (and possibly money depending how they react) and you get them to show their true colors one way or the other. I know that seems very jerk-like behavior but this is Colombia, it's a man's world, you can get away with saying almost anything as long as you're not being sexually explicit with what you think are non-pros. Remember that even with their local novios, sex can be somewhat of a "negocio" or transactional in nature. So if you have some cojones, push their annoying requests right back at them with your "special request."Evertyhing you wrote here sounds so rigth.
I am volunteering to put in practice your last suggestion.
Will come back with a report and pics in a few weeks!
Could be ugly! LOL
Bango Cheito
10-21-10, 05:51
really? really?
buying a pizza for a chica at the end of a meal to bring home to her kids?
wouldn't really consider that supporting a kid.
i highly doubt anyone would get shunned by his peers for this.no local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. not even if you had a kept woman. if a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even think of hitting a guy up for something like that. as a matter of fact, the only times i hear of such a thing happening here in colombia there is always a foreigner in the mix.
my personal rule, i hate going dutch, i don't even do it with me friends, but i expect any girl i'm going out with the contribute to the festivities with something material. if we're gonna make use of the apartment i pay rent on to fuck in, the least she could do is show up with a bottle of apple wine or something. :p
and never ever ever straight up give money to a girl apart from the actual expenses of going out. if she wants to fuck for money she can cut a deal with me like any other ho so we both know what we're getting out of it, end of story. the only circumstance where a girl should be getting money like that is if she has had your baby.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-21-10, 13:46
NO local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. Not even if you had a kept woman. If a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even THINK of hitting a guy up for something like that. As a matter of fact, the only times I hear of such a thing happening here in Colombia there is ALWAYS a foreigner in the mix.
My personal rule, I hate going dutch, I don't even do it with me friends, but I expect any girl I'm going out with the contribute to the festivities with something material. If we're gonna make use of the apartment I pay rent on to fuck in, the least she could do is show up with a bottle of apple wine or something. :P
And NEVER EVER EVER straight up give money to a girl apart from the actual expenses of going out. If she wants to fuck for money she can cut a deal with me like any other ho so we both know what we're getting out of it, end of story. The ONLY circumstance where a girl should be getting money like that is if she has had YOUR baby.If im eating a cheeseburger, slice of pizza, hotdog or chuzo, I have no problem getting one for my chica's kid(if she has one) at home who maybe missed out on dinner, even 2 pieces, 1 for abuela watching the kid for us. Good gestures beget good gestures, Get more bees with honey than you do with salt. I'm not talking getting another entree from lleras and believe me nobody is getting over on me for this.
I have plenty of women come over and none of them came over with shit, lol but I dont mind that 1/2 the time im just happy that they showed up as fucking flaky these b1tches are!
Now giving money to these girls straight up? For what? Just because they asked? No Way, you will open a pandoras box you can never shut. I do though supply money for an occasional girl who I want to see and towards the end of the conversation finishes "i want to see you too, but I don't have any money for the taxi" Hey if a girls going to get all dolled up and get in a taxi to come see me in my apartment. what the F is measly 8-10mi to have a beautiful paisa sitting on my lap? If it early enough most of my girls will take the metro and then a cab from there.
We are not Colombians, we are gringos(most of us) We can be "somewhat generous" when applicable just be very clear of the line of "somewhat generous" and getting over, because some gringos have a hard time distinguishing and that's where the trouble starts.
Well, you do as you like, but with me theirs not bullshit. I normally always get along well with the girls, I do not play all those stuiped fucking games. Fuck that.Well great, congratulations, I'm glad that works for you.
I too would love if everyone was just straight up, but in reality, especially with the young Colombianas, it just doesn't work like that.
There are good and serious chicas that I am sincere with, but with the flighty ones, I've learned to be flighty right back.
No lectures, no arguments, just playing the game.
It's easier, it's fun, it works and always with a smile.
Good luck Sgt Hulka
NO local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. Not even if you had a kept woman. If a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even THINK of hitting a guy up for something like that. As a matter of fact, the only times I hear of such a thing happening here in Colombia there is ALWAYS a foreigner in the mix.Yes, a Colombian guy will buy for his 'kept woman', jewelry, clothing, maybe a car, a nice apartment, etc, but God forbid she ask for a pizza for her kid.
I have had several married Colombian friends with their amantes on the side and these chicas always asked for things in their loving, flirting, sexy ways.
And was usually for much more than a pizza.
Big deal, IMO only, if a chica asks for something you either say yes or no. No anger needed, no lecture needed.
Just depends on the situation whether you buy or not.
Member #3435
10-21-10, 15:45
NO local would put up with that kinda fucking shit from a woman. Not even if you had a kept woman. If a guy here has money to burn and is really a sap he may do nice shit for a girl's family and such, but no girl would even THINK of hitting a guy up for something like that. As a matter of fact, the only times I hear of such a thing happening here in Colombia there is ALWAYS a foreigner in the mix.Bengo:
While I agree with you that this is 100% true and I agree with Mr Ent's original reaction that it's bad manners I think the point raised in this discussion is that IF, the er, uhh, girl (to put it politely) has the nerve to make such a request than turn it on her! Play it and beat her at her own game.
An initial sexual romp for the price of a pizza? Veerry interesting.
All the best amigo!
Schwmm
Mr Enternational
10-21-10, 17:54
If we're gonna make use of the apartment I pay rent on to fuck in, the least she could do is show up with a bottle of apple wine or something. :P Case in point. I am at my girl's house in Cali now. She is 28, no kids, has her own house. 3 bedroom, 2 bath. TVs in every room. Of course like every other place in Cali she does not have hot water. And me being North American, I totally detest showers in ice cold water. Yesterday we went to the mall and I bought an electric shower head. Before we went her neighbor made a list of the 3 things we needed to get and he would install it for free. (When I bought it the girl at the store also said someone could come out and install it for free. She gave me that info along with the warranty info.) I bought the most expensive one at 43K pesos. The wiring cost me 8K for 4 meters and the plug for the outlet was 1K. (He wanted to install it plug-in style although I would have just ran it to the wiring on the overhead light if I was doing it.) We came home and it took him a little over an hour to put it in at 10pm. (Next time I will surprise his 10 year old son with a remote control car.)
Today I will go and we will have a mirror cut for the bathroom. Right now she has this small mirror hanging where there is already a space cut for one 5 times the size. She doesn't even want the mirror. She said why do you need to see your whole body? But since I can stay here when I want and do not have to pay anything I am going to fix this place up and give it maximum comfort for us both.
Last night at the grocery store I spent 90K on groceries. Yesterday she cooked for me, but today is my day to show her how it is done. As a matter of fact she is washing my clothes right now and I am getting ready to make us a late breakfast. These are the kind of chicks that I don't mind spending money on. Ones who: 1. Don't ask and 2. Have potential. The other fly-by-night, needy, begging, too-good-for-the-bus-when-it's-your-money ones can go to hell. They are good for going out having a good time, and fucking, but as far as any other kind of anything (food for other family members, books, phone bills paid....) forget about it.
And NEVER EVER EVER straight up give money to a girl apart from the actual expenses of going out. If she wants to fuck for money she can cut a deal with me like any other ho so we both know what we're getting out of it, end of story. The ONLY circumstance where a girl should be getting money like that is if she has had YOUR baby.Exactly. I had a girl in Barranquilla who wanted me to give her money because her daughter needed books for school. She said that she tried getting a loan elsewhere but was not able to secure one. I suggested that she do a search and consult the child's father.
Whenever a non-pro tries to hit me up for money I explain to them straight up that they can be either a novia, which entitles them to certain privileges such as going out and having a good time together, taking trips, and spending quality time getting to know one another. Or they can be a hooker. I will give them money strictly for having sex, but there will be no other time spent together. I will only call them when I want sex.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-21-10, 18:51
As a matter of fact she is washing my clothes right now and I am getting ready to make us a late breakfast.How do you get that petrified hard as a rock feeling out of that "line dried hung" clothes? lol I always bring many shirts a wear them a few times each because elegant cleaners on la 8ctava wanted something like 18k a shirt for cleaning. F that!
Bango Cheito
10-21-10, 19:54
We are not Colombians, we are gringos(most of us) We can be "somewhat generous" when applicable just be very clear of the line of "somewhat generous" and getting over, because some gringos have a hard
time distinguishing and that's where the trouble starts.It's one thing to be generous, that's all fine, it's another thing entirely when somebody EXPECTS it for you. That's just offensive, and the point I'm trying to make is that Colombia is NO different from North America in this regard. If you wouldn't do it in your hometown, you shouldn't do it here either.
LuckyEddie
10-21-10, 23:21
The problems reported by both sides of the argument are all rooted in one issue: There are guys are mixing w****s and girlfriends in their lives and who they are talking about in this post.
My advice has always been: There are w****s and girlfriends and non the twain shall meet.
Forget the grey area in between.
H00ker: Go to the casa where the girl is obviously a puta and pay for sex - or take her out of a TLN - whatever, you know sho is a w***r - treat her like you would treat a w***e, have great sex, do your stuff - don't go down on her (the #1 thing guys who are trying to make w****s their girlfriends is buy the proostitute gifts and go down on her. WTF?? She is there to please you - that is her job) If she askes you for 5K for her son say "OK" and point to your dick.
Someone elasready suggested this in so many words but do you say this to a non pu**ta? If you follow the simple rule You don't have to - when you keep them seperate there is no offending anyone? Simple as.
Girlfriend: Get a non p*ta who actually has a verifiable job. The unemploymemnt rate for women is about 30% - that means about 70% of the women have jobs. This "working girl" is the girl you treat nice and buy pizza, buy gifts for, go down on , go to dinner, hang with the family. She won't ask for money or if she does it will be 1.) something legit or 2.) you will have offered before being asked.
If you follow this rule you will never have a problem. This is so obvious yet half you guys don't get it.
It's you guys who go out with w****s trying to make them girlfriends or semi girlfriends who are always in these types of situations. Why are you out in public with estrato 2 girls asking for money? Is she a street walker you took in? Did she just get done at thre strip club?
Know the diffference or at least make the difference happen.
JMHO
Mr Enternational
10-22-10, 16:26
I always bring many shirts a wear them a few times each because elegant cleaners on la 8ctava wanted something like 18k a shirt for cleaning. F that!I love comparing the prices here with those back home. I thought I was going to buy a can of fruit cocktail the other night which costs 2K pesos back home. Here it was 18K. Then on the other hand I was able to buy cloves here for 1. 5K which goes for 20K back home.
I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-23-10, 19:03
I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.My best friends wife is from Quito and she complains to him how the country and city is being overrun by Colombians, they even have their own sections. There ARE many working in the casas there.
LuckyEddie
10-23-10, 21:40
I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. The first problem here is you have no idea what is true or false with what they've said. I'd say they are getting leg up on saving some crickets because duckets are a dime a dozen in these parts, but I'm from a shanty town.
Does it really matter?
Paisalover
10-24-10, 01:17
This one put a big smile on my face. Can't say that you're not right.
How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving.
Mr Enternational
10-24-10, 01:56
I have met 4 women online in the last year from the valle region and they say they are going to Quito to work. My question is. None of these women were really marketable so is there colombianas working the casas there? I mean economically unless I am wrong legit jobs don't seem to be big in ecuador to entice them. I am trying to figure out if they are doing the out of eye type thing to save some duckets up.To answer your question I did meet some Colombianas working in the casas in Guayaquil. By that same token I have met Ecuadorians working in the spots in Peru.
From my logic if a person from one country can't get a job in their own country then how does a foreigner expect to go and immediately start working? It beats the hell out of me. But it seems to be working for them. I have an ex from Barranquilla who went to Caracas to do hair. My ex from Caracas went to Spain, back to Caracas, and is now in Curacao doing hair. I also have a friend from Medellin who has been working in a factory in Panama for the last few years. Then I have a friend from Lima who went to Barcelona to clean houses. I have no idea how this bullshit works.
How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. The first problem here is you have no idea what is true or false with what they've said. I'd say they are getting leg up on saving some crickets because duckets are a dime a dozen in these parts, but I'm from a shanty town.
Does it really matter?I know that you are trying to make a point but I think that is a bit harsh. All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.
I like your posts and I have respect for you as provider of excellent information, but my point of posting a rebuttal is that I do not want newbies getting the wrong impression about Colombians. There is enough unjustified negative publicity about Colombia already....
How do you know whan a Colombian is lying? Their mouth is moving. I live in Colombia and you know what's funny? I've noticed that they only lie to people who lack personality.
If you dont think this could be said for any man or woman in any country, your only fooling yourself. I just go and enjoy myself where ever I am, and always had great times with the lady's, especially in Colombia. But I guess thats just because I treat all the girls with respect. Not like they owe me something.
This one put a big smile on my face. Can't say that you're not right.
LuckyEddie
10-24-10, 14:14
I know that you are trying to make a point but I think that is a bit harsh. All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.
I like your posts and I have respect for you as provider of excellent information, but my point of posting a rebuttal is that I do not want newbies getting the wrong impression about Colombians. There is enough unjustified negative publicity about Colombia already....There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.
But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures.
For instance you have a date with one of your regulars - you usually take her out shoping then to dinner and then back to your place and at the end over pay her 10K cab fare with a 50K bill. But tonight she breaks plans and tells you her kid is sick or something like that but in reality one of her regular Johns is taking her and and few others to Mangos. She will dance all night with friends and have a better time than the mall and a restuarant in Lleras and she will walk with more money.
This is a normal lying situation anyone in her position would do - not a problem. The fact of the matter is she made a good business decision rather than lose a customer due to insult ("a better offer came along tonight"). Many of you guys may not realize this but you are looked at as an outsider a customer, not really part of her inner circle. Money being the same what 21 year old wants to sit accross from a foreigner she can't communicate with?
10 years ago there was no better offer, a lot less moneyed men picking up the bill at her disposal.
But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian. The situation is that in other cultures the truth would have sufficed and is not all that bad. But for some reason the Colombian will opt for an unnecessary lie instead. This also will manifest itself in the shape of an impossible promise, one that the teller knows can never be fulfilled but it is the answer the listener wants to hear and is also a way of saving face and prerserving the pride of the teller - in that very moment - very big in Colombia.
To the guy with the Ecuador question: It is not easy to enter a 3rd world, high unemployment, impovershed country as a foreigner and just grab a regular job. Due to the geographics of the country (proximity to the Caribbean) Colombia's biggest export next to coke and flowers is prostitutes. Think about it - every Caribbean island or high traffic Central American brothal is loaded with Colombian prostitutes. how do you think you guys all decided to come to Colombia? Because you read an article about Pablo's grave? Studing Botero? There is a lot more work in Colombia, better economy, than in Ecuador - but Ecuador is close by as is Venezuela and the Caribbean and Costa Rica.
In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.
Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-24-10, 14:59
All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. Ha Ha, you're kidding us right? I'm still trying to sense the sarcastic overtone in your post but am failing to do so. Of course you can never paint with the broadest brush in any culture but you never had a puta, "novia" at least tell you she had to leave because she has to "feed her baby" or she didn't pick up her cell phone because she "had no signal or her phone discharged" LOL Don't try and cover the sun with one finger. Its just reality.
There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.
But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures.
For instance you have a date with one of your regulars - you usually take her out shoping then to dinner and then back to your place and at the end over pay her 10K cab fare with a 50K bill. But tonight she breaks plans and tells you her kid is sick or something like that but in reality one of her regular Johns is taking her and and few others to Mangos. She will dance all night with friends and have a better time than the mall and a restuarant in Lleras and she will walk with more money.
This is a normal lying situation anyone in her position would do - not a problem. The fact of the matter is she made a good business decision rather than lose a customer due to insult ("a better offer came along tonight"). Many of you guys may not realize this but you are looked at as an outsider a customer, not really part of her inner circle. Money being the same what 21 year old wants to sit accross from a foreigner she can't communicate with?
10 years ago there was no better offer, a lot less moneyed men picking up the bill at her disposal.
But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian. The situation is that in other cultures the truth would have sufficed and is not all that bad. But for some reason the Colombian will opt for an unnecessary lie instead. This also will manifest itself in the shape of an impossible promise, one that the teller knows can never be fulfilled but it is the answer the listener wants to hear and is also a way of saving face and prerserving the pride of the teller - in that very moment - very big in Colombia.
To the guy with the Ecuador question: It is not easy to enter a 3rd world, high unemployment, impovershed country as a foreigner and just grab a regular job. Due to the geographics of the country (proximity to the Caribbean) Colombia's biggest export next to coke and flowers is prostitutes. Think about it - every Caribbean island or high traffic Central American brothal is loaded with Colombian prostitutes. how do you think you guys all decided to come to Colombia? Because you read an article about Pablo's grave? Studing Botero? There is a lot more work in Colombia, better economy, than in Ecuador - but Ecuador is close by as is Venezuela and the Caribbean and Costa Rica.
In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.
Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.A very nice analysis indeed. Agree with everything you said. It does boil down to culture. In many Latin american counties and several African and Asian countries a "lie" that does not harm or hurt the listener or that is not intended to harm or hurt the listener is not considered a lie...what we call in the west as a white lie. Having travelled extensively in these countries I understand that they mean no harm and I ignore them and I do not judge them by my perceived standards.
MHL, no, I was not being sarcastic :-)
There are good and bad no matter where you are on the planet. Anyone who reads my joke and believes that ALL Colombians are liars probably will buy a bridge as well.
But take it to heart that lying is a huge part of the culture compared to other cultures ...
... But Colombians feel the need to butter things up in an apparent effort to make the recipient of the lie feel better. It is somewhat humanitarian.
... In Panama working in a factory? In Curacao doing hair? In the Caribbean working in a casino? I am skeptical but stranger things have happened.
... Bottom line is that there is a great deal of lying above and beyond the norm. Especially to judgemental foreigners.I agree with Lucky completely on this.
IMO, guys that refute this, just haven't spent enough time in Colombia or are kidding themselves.
The problems reported by both sides of the argument are all rooted in one issue: There are guys are mixing w****s and girlfriends in their lives and who they are talking about in this post.
My advice has always been: There are w****s and girlfriends and non the twain shall meet.
Forget the grey area in between.
. Girlfriend: Get a non p*ta who actually has a verifiable job. The unemploymemnt rate for women is about 30%. That means about 70% of the women have jobs. This "working girl" is the girl you treat nice and buy pizza, buy gifts for, go down on, go to dinner, hang with the family. She won't ask for money or if she does it will be 1.) something legit or 2.) you will have offered before being asked.
If you follow this rule you will never have a problem. This is so obvious yet half you guys don't get it.
It's you guys who go out with w****s trying to make them girlfriends or semi girlfriends who are always in these types of situations. Why are you out in public with estrato 2 girls asking for money? Is she a street walker you took in? Did she just get done at thre strip club?
Know the diffference or at least make the difference happen.
JMHOEssentially I agree with Lucky here, however, if you know what you're doing, you speak spanish and you don't kid yourself about the relationship, you can have great "girlfriend times" with SOME pros.
Just like with us guys, obviously there are all types of chicas in the business.
I've come accross and met the best of guys and the not-so-good guys in my travels.
Similarly, I've met some of the sweetest and nicest girls who are pros, in the business due to harsh circumstances, and of course, I've met some real bad ones too.
I've made some fantastic friendships with working chicas, both in Colombia and Brazil. These friendships with girls that I never would have met, if not for them working as pros at the time.
I agree with Lucky that if you fool yourself, especially if you're the guy who can't really communicate with the chicas, and you obviously don't mesh with her physically, and confuse her desire for cash with real affection, you can get hurt, emotionally and / or finacially speaking.
Me personally, just through lots of experience, I've learned to read chicas pretty well, especially after several times with them.
Many of you other experienced guys can do the same I'm sure.
I don't find the whole thing as cut and dry as LuckyE.
I don't consider every pro I meet a Wh. Re, sure there are plenty out there, but there are some real gems too.
Just be smart, follow your radar and don't fool yourself.
Mr Enternational
10-25-10, 18:14
All the columbians I ran into, pros and non-pros were very extremely friendly and straight up. No one lied to me about anything, minor or major. My experience is limited compared to some of you but I encountered way more BS stories in the US compared to Colombia.
Ha Ha, you're kidding us right? I'm still trying to sense the sarcastic overtone in your post but am failing to do so. Of course you can never paint with the broadest brush in any culture but you never had a puta, "novia" at least tell you she had to leave because she has to "feed her baby" or she didn't pick up her cell phone because she "had no signal or her phone discharged" LOLI can side with Vitrea on this one. After visiting over 75 countries I can say that Colombianas are the most reliable women on the planet. Keep in mind that I can only speak from a non-pro point of view. My mongering experience is very limited in Colombia. All of my evolutions have been short time and I have never repeated with the same person. So as far as getting excuses of having to leave to feed a baby or other lines generally attributed to pros who are trying to get the most money for the shortest time, I have not gotten them from non-pros. I have seen genuine honesty from the non-pros.
Last December I was on the plane to Bogota and met a girl who had a visa but was being deported from the USA. I asked her what had happened and she said they found out that she had worked the last time she was in the country, so they did not let her enter that time. She had no idea how they had found out. I gave her my Colombia info before we got off the plane. She called me an hour later just like she said she would. I didn't get to go out with her because I already had something else lined up and I never called her back. But, how many times have I given an AW my info and not heard from them? The rule of thumb in this country is that if you don't get her info just forget about it. Even my ex-wife. The first time I met her I gave her my info and she didn't call. The next time I saw her she had some excuse that she had lost my number so I insisted on getting hers that time.
I really don't think Colombian non-pros will bullshit you around. They are either for you or not. The other morning when I was leaving Cali there was a nice looking girl getting on the same flight. She was with her mother and grandmother. She kept looking at me so I figured there must be some potential. I wrote a note to give to her when we got on the plane. When I passed her seat and tried to give her the note she look at me like I was crazy and would not even touch the paper. I was there in the aisle for a few seconds (which seemed like an eternity) looking and feeling like a total *******. But hey, I guess there really wasn't any interest on her part and she didn't try to make me think otherwise.
Bango Cheito
10-25-10, 20:44
I don't think there's any difference between a fufa and a regular girl here in Colombia. As a matter of fact, I would bet at least 50% of the female population have charged for sex at one time or another in their lives.
Almost all the "non-pro"s I go out with are really semi pros or straight up pros at the end of the day. INCLUDING the ones with verifiable mon-fri employment, etc. Everything is just a big grey area here, if you want to be happy here, learn that first!
The big difference between Colombia and the US is that here if you are super gorgoues and know how to speak to women down here you will get laid on the basis of that alone, whereas in the US a gorgeous guy with no money is still a loser. But if you're not really good-looking and can hold a good conversation on the girl's terms, you have to go the money route.
... After visiting over 75 countries I can say that Colombianas are the most reliable women on the planet ...That's actually very funny, really.
The most beautiful, OK.
The most sexy, OK.
The most reliable, funny.
Let's not get carried away with the Colombia bashing. I'm just as frustrated as anyone else with the flakiness and the bs. But the truth is for the daily, superficial, basic interactions I find that Colombians are mostly polite, pleasant, even helpful. MORE so than other people!
It's just that when your requests or their promises start to get more complicated is when you run into problems. When you hear a chica say "mañana" (tomorrow) or "despues" (later) then just assume that's probably not the case. :) Don't take it personal, it probably has nothing to do directly with you. I suspect in many cases, it's not even done intentionally or consciously, this stuff is working on the instinct or subconscious level. So it's not entirely their fault but there are reasons for this behavior, based on social, cultural, and historical factors that I really don't want to get into right now. But if you know anything about this country's history, trust between the social classes and between certain other groups is somewhat lacking.
I don't find the whole thing as cut and dry as LuckyE.
I don't consider every pro I meet a Wh. Re, sure there are plenty out there, but there are some real gems too.
Just be smart, follow your radar and don't fool yourself.Yeah, I don't know why some guys are so hard on these girls. There's no doubt many of them are annoying, crazy, flaky; and then you got the liars, scammers, and thieves. But let's not forget some mongers can be real scumbags, even dangerous to these girls. I don't even like using the word w****, I think it's a bit too demeaning. At least hooker sounds more pleasant to say.
And I do agree that as long as you have your head on straight and keep things in perspective, you can have some really interesting experiences with these hookers. More interesting than with non-pros, or at least with less whining and complaining.
......I don't consider every pro I meet a Wh. Re, sure there are plenty out there, but there are some real gems too........ Ricker,
Please explain this. In my book pro (professional) = wh.re = hooker, just that the later two sound more derogatory but aren't they the same?
BTW, To me they are all chicas but that is a different discussion.
I just read a story off the internet that said small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, and even heroin are legal in Colombia.
Can anybody confirm if thats true.
The story also said the government was considering repealing the law.
I live in California, where they're putting Proposition 19 on the ballot to legalize possession of small of marijuana.
Ricker,
Please explain this. In my book pro (professional) = wh.re = hooker, just that the later two sound more derogatory but aren't they the same?
BTW, To me they are all chicas but that is a different discussion.First of all, read Bango Cheito's post #2482, the first 2 paragraphs.
Sums it up pretty well.
Now as far as actual chicas working directly as pros:
If YOU want to categorize them ALL as wh. Res, or p. Tas, that's fine. Those are just harsh names for an occupation.
As for me, like a lot of us, I've met a countless number of pros in my travels over the years.
Now some of these working chicas I've met have been the sweetest, and yes, most honest girls you'd want to meet. They're working out of necessity.
To me, IMHO, these chicas are not wh. Res.
To you they may be, to me they're not.
I differentiate, but that's just me.
Happy travels
I just read a story off the internet that said small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, and even heroin are legal in Colombia.
Can anybody confirm if thats true.
The story also said the government was considering repealing the law.
I live in California, where they're putting Proposition 19 on the ballot to legalize possession of small of marijuana.
I don't think that is true. I talked to several locals about this. All of them say that it is technically illegal in any quantity. Small quantities of marijuana are tolerated though. By that, I mean that if caught, you will still be questioned and will most likely, as a tourist, end up paying the cops and might not go to jail. With the other two, you will be in serious trouble even with small quantities (unless you are well connected locally)
LuckyEddie
10-26-10, 23:22
I live in Colombia and you know what's funny? I've noticed that they only lie to people who lack personality.That is just brilliant! Jeez, how obvious was that, "Colombians lie to people who lack personality" - Did you hear that first on Dr. Phil or is that all your own?
I guess when a girl tells a foreigner posting here that she is going to Costa Rica to do hair for 3 months (the post that started all this) that foreigner has no personality? Got it now. Thanks for clearing that all up.
I thought she was telling him that, regardless of his personality, because she did not want to admit to being a working girl. Silly me.
What does she tell the guy who loaded with personality? That she is going to CR to be a hooker and not to do hair?
Me? I think it is better to tell the guy who made the post here that he is being lied to than to tell him he has no personality or whatever other issues we can peg such foreigners with.
Also I know a joke and exageration when I read one on the internet. If my "there mouth is moving" line caused some of you to get your panties all in a bunch I apologize in advance for not flagging it accordingly as "a joke". It's actually an old joke - I just replaced Lawyers with Colombians.
It's just that when your requests or their promises start to get more complicated is when you run into problems. When you hear a chica say "mañana" (tomorrow) or "despues" (later) then just assume that's probably not the case. :) Don't take it personal, it probably has nothing to do directly with you. I suspect in many cases, it's not even done intentionally or consciously, this stuff is working on the instinct or subconscious level. So it's not entirely their fault but there are reasons for this behavior, based on social, cultural, and historical factors that I really don't want to get into right now. But if you know anything about this country's history, trust between the social classes and between certain other groups is somewhat lacking.What's to 'analyze'? Manana means, "sure, unless something better comes along". Same thing it means when you say it.
Bango Cheito
10-27-10, 03:20
I don't think that is true. I talked to several locals about this. All of them say that it is technically illegal in any quantity. Small quantities of marijuana are tolerated though. By that, I mean that if caught, you will still be questioned and will most likely, as a tourist, end up paying the cops and might not go to jail. With the other two, you will be in serious trouble even with small quantities (unless you are well connected locally)
It used to be legal, up to 4 grams of pot and 1 gram of coke. Recently they changed that law but the change has a sunset clause to it, because they can't permanently alter the constitution. The next time it comes up for renewal, the courts may or may not hold it up. As of now, possession is not legal, although it was since 1991 up till about a year ago.
In practical experience, I seriously doubt any Colombian cop is going to worry about whether you have drugs on you or not in most situations, but if you are travelling between cities and obviously if youre going to take a plane, it makes sense to not carry.
It used to be legal, up to 4 grams of pot and 1 gram of coke. Recently they changed that law but the change has a sunset clause to it, because they can't permanently alter the constitution. The next time it comes up for renewal, the courts may or may not hold it up. As of now, possession is not legal, although it was since 1991 up till about a year ago.
In practical experience, I seriously doubt any Colombian cop is going to worry about whether you have drugs on you or not in most situations, but if you are travelling between cities and obviously if youre going to take a plane, it makes sense to not carry.
Thank you for clarifying.
This reminds me to relate my story that happened few weeks ago. I wanted to score some Cripa and the quality of what I got at parque lleras was hit or miss. I mentioned this to a waitress at a cafe in El poblado, (non-pro) and she casually agreed to get me some authentic Cripa. One evening after she got off work around 7 PM, she drove me in her car to a barrio. This part of town was quite seedy and she kept driving around in these small lanes and by-lanes looking for sellers. I was getting nervous and I was almost ready to call it quits when she points to a guy sitting on a plastic bucket. As we slow down this guy approaches the car and she rolls the window down and he asks her how many? she looked at me and I said, "one would be fine". They both say, "one? come on"? She said, "he won't sell you one". Well, why not? Because each is only a $2 and he is not going to..... OK. Ok. I got it. I will get four joints then. He takes my money (equivalent of $10 or $12) and walks away. While we wait in the car, out of no where this cop car shows up. Here we are about to do the deal, clearly out of place. She asked me not to panic and she said not to open my mouth if they come back and ask questions. I stayed calm on the outside but nervous as hell. The guy came back 5 minutes later and hands us the joints and he even gives us back the $3 in change. She gives him a $1 tip and gives me back $2 and casually stuffs the joints in her bra. She hands me all the joints 10 minutes later after we are back in Poblado. I offered some to her but she did not want any.
I asked her why she put it in her bra and she said if they stopped us, the male cops are not allowed to search women and they would not have the patience to call and wait for a female cop. Apparently there are very few female cops in the city and almost none at night. She dropped me off at my hotel and I never saw her again. She took a personal risk holding onto the stash and she did that for a complete stranger. That is one wonderful person.
I smoked it that night and it was the best stuff.
LuckyEddie
10-27-10, 05:44
The Kripa here is totally treated - chemically. Smoke at your own risk. The best stuff from La Guajira is not really grown like it used to although you can still get it - in La Guajira of course. Just my 2 cents.
The Kripa here is totally treated - chemically. Smoke at your own risk. The best stuff from La Guajira is not really grown like it used to although you can still get it - in La Guajira of course. Just my 2 cents.
Do you have to always rain in on my parade? Can I not be blissfully ignorant that I got the best stuff in the world? Just kidding. Good to know....
BTW, the point of my story is not to show off that I scored the best Cripa but to illustrate how traveling off the beaten path exposes you to some sweet natured wonderful human beings. Sex in Colombia was great but I am as likely to remember this, as my night with Scarlet.
You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.
One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.
I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.
Last time I was in CTG I bought some Cripa 30 joints, and smoked it with a few different girls and every girl was saying that the stuff was really good. I would smoke a joint before I took my nap at around 6 pm and I was having all kind of crazy hallucinations before I would fall asleep. Like monsters with distorted faces and camels jumping over people and all kind of weird shit. Has anyone else had this happen to them. I only smoke down there and I also do coke down there. But of course i didnt do any coke when I laid down for my nap but I like to do a small amount when I wake up. Funny thing is I have never done any drugs in the states in my life but when I get down there I go fucking crazy.
You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.
One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.
I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.
You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.
One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.
I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.You are never more than 15 minutes away from getting anything you want in this country. And, I wouldn't care what anyone says: don't get caught with it on you. All the chicas know that the holding place is between the hooters, and that's where you'll want to keep it (unless they're otherwise occupied)
Member #3435
10-27-10, 15:36
Thank you for clarifying.
This reminds me to relate my story that happened few weeks ago. I wanted to score some Cripa and the quality of what I got at parque lleras was hit or miss. I mentioned this to a waitress at a cafe in El poblado, (non-pro) and she casually agreed to get me some authentic Cripa. One evening after she got off work around 7 PM, she drove me in her car to a barrio. This part of town was quite seedy and she kept driving around in these small lanes and by-lanes looking for sellers. I was getting nervous and I was almost ready to call it quits when she points to a guy sitting on a plastic bucket. As we slow down this guy approaches the car and she rolls the window down and he asks her how many? she looked at me and I said, "one would be fine". They both say, "one? come on"? She said, "he won't sell you one". Well, why not? Because each is only a $2 and he is not going to..... OK. Ok. I got it. I will get four joints then. He takes my money (equivalent of $10 or $12) and walks away. While we wait in the car, out of no where this cop car shows up. Here we are about to do the deal, clearly out of place. She asked me not to panic and she said not to open my mouth if they come back and ask questions. I stayed calm on the outside but nervous as hell. The guy came back 5 minutes later and hands us the joints and he even gives us back the $3 in change. She gives him a $1 tip and gives me back $2 and casually stuffs the joints in her bra. She hands me all the joints 10 minutes later after we are back in Poblado. I offered some to her but she did not want any.
I asked her why she put it in her bra and she said if they stopped us, the male cops are not allowed to search women and they would not have the patience to call and wait for a female cop. Apparently there are very few female cops in the city and almost none at night. She dropped me off at my hotel and I never saw her again. She took a personal risk holding onto the stash and she did that for a complete stranger. That is one wonderful person.
I smoked it that night and it was the best stuff.
Allright, I was gonna hold back here but now feel compelled to speak out.
It's one thing to smoke some spleef if offered in the confines of some friend's residence and maybe even get a couple of grams for yourself from the same source but when you go out looking for it from strangers in a park or cruising one of the barrios you, and by that I mean anyone not just Vitrea..........
are playing with fire!
I don't care how prevalent it is or how tolerant the societal attitude, the risk is insanely dangerous.
I've have approximately 30 years experience travelling and living in LA. Yes, that includes all through my late teens and twenties guys. The tricks and pitfuls, besides the obvious personal safety issues, are countless.
One of the oldest and still easiest scams is the dealer sells you the stuff, takes your money, and 2 minutes later is tipping off his closest cop buddy who cuts him a nice tip and then hunts you down and busts your ass for the opportunity to collect a 4 figure pay-off from you as you're shaking in your boots in some crammed third world holding cell.
There are many other ways as well. You're a foreigner in their country, puta carajo!
Go ahead, flame me for being a scare monger.
Somebody has to say it.
LuckyEddie
10-27-10, 19:03
You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.
One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.
I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.The risks in general here are high enough as it is. You are not on your home turf. I would smoke with trusted people or comptriots in the hostel, mansion or wherever one is staying staying - better yet in the comfort of one's own home.
They do not sell at the park as posession is tolerated but dealing is mandatory jail. If you ask for weed there or even on the close by side streets you will get funny looks.
You get caught with more than one joint the cops can say intent to sell ("why is he carrying more than one? He must be a pusher"). Not to mention bribe or no bribe the chance of spending a few days in the clink, missing your flight, missing work, all for a mis understanding or because of a cowboy-"look-I-busted--me-a-gringo"-cop. The chance is low but not worth the risk of deportion or a mark on your record back home if there some sort or reporting reciprocity - the US somehow seems to always find out stuff.
It is just not worth it mixing with the drug culture unnecessarily. There are people snorting Draino and inhaling glue all day. Not like US/Europe where doctor's and like professionals toke up.
In Jan the limpieaza will start again and the first to go are always druggies on the street - the stigma here is different.
There is no benefit to making friends or hanging with this crowd - this is not the parking lot before a Grateful Dead show.
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em but better from your own private balcony. Foreigners who are dope addicted Wh*re mongers make Pirry twice a year. It is not helping matters.
JMHO
LuckyEddie
10-27-10, 19:26
Do you have to always rain in on my parade? Can I not be blissfully ignorant that I got the best stuff in the world? Just kidding. Good to know....
BTW, the point of my story is not to show off that I scored the best Cripa but to illustrate how traveling off the beaten path exposes you to some sweet natured wonderful human beings. Sex in Colombia was great but I am as likely to remember this, as my night with Scarlet.Sorry bro. At least you didn't tell me that Colombians always sell dirt weed to people who lack personality.
The best stuff in the world comes from Humbodt county, Hawaii and some other choice areas. Not here unfortunately, not anymore thanks to Pablo who figured out that other crops carry waaaay more margin. The Colombian Gold "The Fine Colombian - Steely Dan" fields were all re-planted in the mid 80's.
But the arepas are to die for, I don't mind saying.
I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I dont walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussy
Allright, I was gonna hold back here but now feel compelled to speak out.
It's one thing to smoke some spleef if offered in the confines of some friend's residence and maybe even get a couple of grams for yourself from the same source but when you go out looking for it from strangers in a park or cruising one of the barrios you, and by that I mean anyone not just Vitrea..........
are playing with fire!
I don't care how prevalent it is or how tolerant the societal attitude, the risk is insanely dangerous.
I've have approximately 30 years experience travelling and living in LA. Yes, that includes all through my late teens and twenties guys. The tricks and pitfuls, besides the obvious personal safety issues, are countless.
One of the oldest and still easiest scams is the dealer sells you the stuff, takes your money, and 2 minutes later is tipping off his closest cop buddy who cuts him a nice tip and then hunts you down and busts your ass for the opportunity to collect a 4 figure pay-off from you as you're shaking in your boots in some crammed third world holding cell.
There are many other ways as well. You're a foreigner in their country, puta carajo!
Go ahead, flame me for being a scare monger.
Somebody has to say it.
Allright, I was gonna hold back here but now feel compelled to speak out.
It's one thing to smoke some spleef if offered in the confines of some friend's residence and maybe even get a couple of grams for yourself from the same source but when you go out looking for it from strangers in a park or cruising one of the barrios you, and by that I mean anyone not just Vitrea..........
are playing with fire!
I don't care how prevalent it is or how tolerant the societal attitude, the risk is insanely dangerous.
I've have approximately 30 years experience travelling and living in LA. Yes, that includes all through my late teens and twenties guys. The tricks and pitfuls, besides the obvious personal safety issues, are countless.
One of the oldest and still easiest scams is the dealer sells you the stuff, takes your money, and 2 minutes later is tipping off his closest cop buddy who cuts him a nice tip and then hunts you down and busts your ass for the opportunity to collect a 4 figure pay-off from you as you're shaking in your boots in some crammed third world holding cell.
There are many other ways as well. You're a foreigner in their country, puta carajo!
Go ahead, flame me for being a scare monger.
Somebody has to say it.
Dude, I am not going to flame you. You are right. What I did was probably dangerous. Just so that you don't think I am a total moron, I would not have done this by myself. I went with a local who has a decent daytime job and it was mostly for the thrill of it. What is funny is that I have only smoked pot 3 times before in my life. It would have been stupid to end up in jail.
Luckyeddie, man I love your posts. I enjoy reading them. With all the wisdom you have acquired, I am guessing that you must be at least 120 yrs old. :-)
You guys have 'clarified' the marijuana situation for me a little better. I've heard of the scene at Parque Periodista at night.
One time I went over there during the daytime and there were a bunch of guys who looked like potheads. But they gave me some strange looks like I was an outsider. Obviously, I just walked off.
I dont want to chance it by possessing a joint.Smart man. Just to clarify I haven't smoked since 1996 when it almost cost me a 15 year job here in the states. There is nothing wrong with toking every now and then but the consequences for me arent worth it now.
True story. In 06 me and my little cousin visited the DR for the first time. I told him best behavior no fucking around. He snuck off with a Dominican dude and 20 minutes later we had guns in our face. He was taken away. He was always a bad dude in DC 6"3 220 pounds. But when I visited him in that Dominican Jail naked, he was a broken man mentally. We took him food, his Momma called every five minutes about her baby, and the lawyer said he needed thousands. I felt responsible for my little because and paid major deniro to get him out. He hasnt been back since and hasnt paid me back.
My point is when you take these chances be a man about the consequences thats all. Man up and get youself out of the bullshit YOU caused. Don't be calling home to momma like a *****. Understand what your getting into, and if you feel its worth the risk don't drag anybody else into YOUR shit, happy 420(thats a code if you don't understand smokers do).
Some pretty heavy pot stories here. I think I'll stay away from the weed stuff, its too dangerous for my taste.
Its just cerveza and aguardente for me.
Manizales911
10-28-10, 20:52
I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I don't walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussyDude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Having the attitude you have is going to get you in HUGE shit in Colombia,Cartagena is kiddie land compared to any other place in the country make no mistake about it.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-28-10, 21:01
I had no idea how many Crippa y Perrico users are coming down to Colombia. Another reason why the gringo is becoming such a big hit in Colombia! lol
p.s. Wow I think FULL MODERATION has been lifted! Now Ricker Behave yourself, you were one of the main reasons we got into this situation in the first place. je je jk!
LuckyEddie
10-28-10, 22:06
I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I dont walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussyI hear ya bro but no reason to call people pussies - everyone has their own threshold of risk/reward. Some have a lot to lose like a 6 figure job and others are just retired or backpackers coming here.
Even if the chances are <10% of something negative happening (even if that only means crappy weed) the easy answer is go the safe route where the chances are <1%. It is not like there is no other choice. There is always someone trustworthy who can score for you and wandering into shady areas or groups of other potheads is not the same as it is in Europe and the US. JMHO
I just spoke to Keisy Kitana from Romance Latina (profile name Keisy). I believe she worked at the Mansion before. She's a nice girl. She wanted to know if I was in Medellin because she needs to make some money. I told her I won't be there until next month. She asked if I knew any gringos that would like to see her tonight. I told her I would let you guys know. She is looking for 150 an hour, 300 for 2. That's not Centro or Mayorista prices but it's worth it. Almost 19, no implants or tattoos. Caliente en la cama. Make sure you treat her right. PM me for her information.
KJ
http://www.eroticphotosbykj.com
Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about. Having the attitude you have is going to get you in HUGE shit in Colombia,Cartagena is kiddie land compared to any other place in the country make no mistake about it.
Come on Manizales, quit being a damn pussy!!
When I hit the barrios in Cali, I strap on my Poncho Villa bullet straps over my shoulders with my six shooters at my side I fear nothing I tell ya.
Those SOBs mess with me and they are dust.
PS ... I'm officially changing my handle here to 'Sgt Hulka' ... remember that guy from the movie Stripes?
Anyway, Manizales, once again, quit being a pussy!
Member #3435
10-29-10, 00:57
I would not go into no barrio, but it is no problem to secure some stuff, I have never been scared of anything but I'm not stuipid either, if I want something I get it. Simple as that, and I dont walk around with a bunch of fear about cops and set ups. I'm no punk and when I get to that point I will stay the fuck home. I have had plenty of interaction with cops and hoodlums and always worked things out. Not by going oh hes a cop or this or that, any situation is usually negotiable and I have had a few serious problems in Cartagena, of my own doing and worked it out. Dont be a pussy
Last time I was in CTG I bought some Cripa 30 joints, and smoked it with a few different girls and every girl was saying that the stuff was really good. I would smoke a joint before I took my nap at around 6 pm and I was having all kind of crazy hallucinations before I would fall asleep. Like monsters with distorted faces and camels jumping over people and all kind of weird shit. Has anyone else had this happen to them. I only smoke down there and I also do coke down there. But of course i didnt do any coke when I laid down for my nap but I like to do a small amount when I wake up. Funny thing is I have never done any drugs in the states in my life but when I get down there I go fucking crazy.
Go for it. A man of your obvious experience and guile will do fine in your own mind.
But it's not just me. Anybody with a real understanding of Latin America will tell ya that with that attitude and mentality in Colombia, it's only a matter of time until you are caught up by the laws of DARWIN.
Even with the recent changes in the law, weed is not such a big deal in this country.
Nevertheless, I would proceed with caution.
I rarely partake because I prefer to be 100% alert when I'm out at night clubbing or mongering. It's a different story in the privacy of one's hotel room/apartment but if you're with a girl for the 1st/2nd time, I can only assume you've already taken the precaution of hiding and securing everything of value before she even comes in (which you should do ANYWAY even if you don't do any drugs, it's just that being drunk or drugged up makes you more vulnerable if she's a thief).
Funny story: I was relaxing early one morning at my favorite finca in Santa Fe de Antioquia (small town a few hours from MDE) whose owner was cleaning the pool. After the morning's work was done, he sat down next to me and smoked his joint offering me some. I declined (not much of a smoker although I felt bad afterwards, maybe he thought I was rude), the local police came by and it was no big deal. If anything, I got the feeling they probably shared a smoke with him in the past.
I wouldn't worry too much about Schwmmr's scenario. There is police corruption in many Latin-Am countries (Mexico, etc.) but it's not a big issue anymore in Colombia. But there are other dangers. There are checkpoints in CTG so don't carry the stuff with you if you step into a taxi late at night, get that business done during DAYLIGHT hours.
However, I'm a bit surprised by Vitrea's story. That was pretty dangerous of him to do. Not so much for the cops (they KNEW dude, they just didn't care, they have other priorities), but the fact that he put himself into a completely unfamiliar situation and was totally reliant on a young girl he hardly knows.
Forget about the cops. What if a couple of street punks spotted you (gringo) in that car with a girl as the driver, and decided to follow you in their moto? Think that chick could handle that situation?
Safest way to get your stuff is of course through a trusted 3rd party, try to avoid direct contact with dealers. Of course that involves language skills, patience, and making friends with local colombianos, something I keep mentioning on this board but doesn't seem to register. Just say off-hand to your buddy how you've heard how good the weed is in Colombia and you've always wanted to try it blah-blah. . . and 90% sure he'll be more than happy to help you!
Parque Periodista: it's buzzing with people at night, I remember my buddy would just go in one of the bars to score his cripa. According to what LuckyEddie wrote, I'm not sure that's still possible but I don't see how the police can control what's going on inside the restrooms of the bars. This isn't the states with the undercover cops on the streets or in clubs/bars, the only undercovers I know of in Colombia are working on the upper-end of the supply chain in the coke biz (more like double agents than undercover cops).
If you're really dying for some cripa and don't want to go to the trouble of making friends with some of the locals, try asking surreptitiously one of the bouncers or bartenders or hosts in front of the bar. They'll let you know the score if it's safe or not. I would avoid asking or approaching directly any shady looking people or dealer types until you get the ok from one of the bar/club staff.
I had no idea how many Crippa y Perrico users are coming down to Colombia. Another reason why the gringo is becoming such a big hit in Colombia! lolDude, it's been a big thing in the hostel/backpacker scene down there forever. In Bogota, the "bohemian" Candelaria sector is filled with hostals for "chanclateros" (their term for backpackers, which is hilarious because it does seem true that they all wear sandals); young people from Australia, the states, and all over Europe come to BOG and hang out there for weeks and months on end to party and enjoy the cheap weed and coke. That scene is smaller in MDE but it's pretty big in BOG.
I just spoke to Keisy Kitana from Romance Latina (profile name Keisy). I believe she worked at the Mansion before. She's a nice girl. She wanted to know if I was in Medellin because she needs to make some money. I told her I won't be there until next month. She asked if I knew any gringos that would like to see her tonight. I told her I would let you guys know. She is looking for 150 an hour, 300 for 2. That's not Centro or Mayorista prices but it's worth it. Almost 19, no implants or tattoos. Caliente en la cama. Make sure you treat her right. PM me for her information.
KJ
http://www.eroticphotosbykj.com
May we pay her more if we like???
LuckyEddie
10-29-10, 18:51
..I'm not sure that's still possible but I don't see how the police can control what's going on inside the restrooms of the bars. This isn't the states with the undercover cops on the streets or in clubs/bars, the only undercovers I know of in Colombia are working on the upper-end of the supply chain in the coke biz (more like double agents than undercover cops).
If you're really dying for some cripa and don't want to go to the trouble of making friends with some of the locals, try asking surreptitiously one of the bouncers or bartenders or hosts in front of the bar. They'll let you know the score if it's safe or not. I would avoid asking or approaching directly any shady looking people or dealer types until you get the ok from one of the bar/club staff.Good advice phunluv. As for what can go on in the bathroom the bust is during a search of the suspected pusher outside the bar, before or after. There are searches in and around the park all the time.
GUYS - there is no Illegal Search And Siezure law in Colombia - meaning anyone can be randomly stopped day or night, in a car or on foot or moto, and searched - pockets, wallet, socks and shoes - right on the street by Army or Police. You must produce a cedula or whatever ID and if you are a young Colombian man you must produce your military card if it is a random Army search.
So if the cops suspect someone near the park they search him and if he has more than one joint, "intent to distribute" and off he goes. He does not want to take that risk. Technically what they can do is travel with 6 guys each has a joint and they sell one at a time as to not be holding more than one.
Either way...
Trusted 3rd party to score weed is the best way. There are foreigners here who can help you out. Or you can go to the vendors around the poblado metro entrance - ask around, place your order (Cripa - pronounced CREEP-uh) and pick up the next day in broad daylight in the safe Poblado area. Those guys will sell multiple joints. You will pay a slight premium until you get dialed in with a better connection - who delivers right to your doorstep. But it's still cheap and most importantly safe.
MiamiHeatLuver
10-29-10, 19:25
May we pay her more if we like???
Lol Maybe she doesn't want to be on La Mayorista but she looks like she belongs there. Ive seen similar and better at Mayorista almost all the time. If she needs money that badly maybe she should consider it.
Caliguy 2010
10-29-10, 19:45
May we pay her more if we like???This chick looks good and all but that is way too much. I know this is Mde but I was in Ctg at Tu Candela. I was at the bar asking for a round of Heinikens beautiful chick comes up to me starts talking blah blah blah. So I ask. So what are your plans tonight? Thats was my Q. So I said about how much would this costs me? She says for you looks me up and down like she is buying a used car and says 80k. I said hmmm you know what I am really looking for is a threesome. I think I may pass. Started to grab the beers and head back. All of a sudden another beautiful chica comes up and she says What do you think about the 2 of us? Is this what you are looking for. I could not help but smile a little bit. I have a great poker face but comeon there is only so much a guy can take. So I said look the thing is I only have 150 k Can you guys split that. They said yes I paid the bar tab got the hell back to the apt. Best time of my life long story short. In the morning they got me up in both ways. Made breakfast! And left arond 9am or so. So this chic wants 300 for 2 hours. Ask her if her name is Sofia Vergara. LOL.
In Jan the limpieaza will start again and the first to go are always druggies on the street - the stigma here is different.
JMHO
Can you tell us a little bit more about what will happen in Jan ? I've been out of the loop. Are those dweebs with white polo shirts and green hats still patrolling the streets?
Cripa will cost you $2.50 a gram. It's just as good as any chronic in the US or Canada. Outdoor humboldt county bud is extremely unique and hard to compete against.
The rules on the street were changing last year. In the past I saw people smoking right in front of the cops. Last time it was a game of cat and mouse with the cops showing up every 15 minutes. I saw them scold a local for doing it but who knows what a foreigner would go through.
Weed is all over medellin. Most people know where to get it. It might only be a block or two away.
Smoking in your hotel room is not always a smart thing to do nor is smoking anywhere for that matter.
I have used the boarding school routine in the past....pipe and towel combination. OZIUM industrial sanitizer(amazon or ebay) is a must have in any travel kit. Even for normal stenches.
We have a chance with prop 19 in california. Unfortunately the "obysmal" administration will not respect it even if it does pass.
On that note I saw a fascinating program last night how switzerland gave out free pure grade heroin to drug users and crime dropped 60%.
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