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Bango Cheito
05-13-07, 12:48
People in Colombia routinely make jokes about girls from Pereira being sluts and gold-diggers. It's a running joke for them, so there must be SOME truth to it. Pereira can also be quite dangerous.
Sorry guys, but based on the best of my info there is NO WAY you are going to convince me Bogota is more dangerous than Barranquilla. I don't even see it as being even a sliver of possibility. If people are under-reporting crimes, (which I'm sure happens even more frequently than we'd care to think here in the US), I highly doubt that they are under-reporting crimes MORE in Bogota than in Barranquilla. If anything, it would be the other way around. I'm not saying that somebody would be stupid to have to live there, obviously by the way people speak about it, it has its charm. I'm just pointing out the undeniable reality of the situation. Colombia is still a violent country by American standards, although not nearly as bad as it was even 3 years ago, and the safest places in the country are Bogota and Cartagena.
The truth in Bogota is that YMMV, if you are talking non-pros. I personally wouldn't have a problem there. Of course with my novia we like to bring other people into the mix, but even then we generally hire a pro (at least if it's another girl we want), it's just so much easier than wasting time with a non-pro.
But I get flirted with CONSTANTLY from the local women down there, young ones, old ones, poor ones, rich ones. And the only place I've ever been where people are really so unfriendly as to not give you the time of day was Vancouver, Canada.
Bango Cheito
05-13-07, 12:51
In Colombia the terms for skin color go like this
Mono = Blond
Pelirojo = Redhead
Trigueño = WHEAT colored
Moreno = Brown-skinned
Negro = Black-skinned
Not trying to antagonize you. You make some great points. However, with Colombia, you really need to consider the source.
Point in fact, how many Colombians do you know who actually report street crimes to the police? El Tiempo or whoever can use FBI techniques. But Colombians are NOT contacting the police over crimes like people in the USA. Therefore, that info is pretty skewed. To be honest, the rare times that I recall police being called is when something happens to a gringo.
I put more faith the word of mouth of locals, and my own experiences, much moreso than stats.
Exacto !!!
Bango ... thanks for the stats, but big deal, what Hoof Hunter says is right on.
Winner's last post also right on. These are guys that have been all over Colombia, not just in Bogota.
Whatever ... all the cities have their element of danger obviously.
Irregardless of stats, my personal (IMHO) "scaredy-cat" list, where I feel most danger. Bigger cities only ....
1. Cali
2. Bogota
3. Medellin
4. Barranquilla
5. Cartagena
Just a side note, none of these cities put me on guard more than Caracas, Venezuela ... that place you have to be on guard constantly, and keeps getting worse.
Also, from my experience, in general, the coastal girls are undoubtedly the friendliest and approachable chicas.
The Paisas, Medellin /Pereira, etc ... full of the most drama.
They're all fun though :)
Suerte!
Bango, I respectfully differ from your choices of the safest cities. Cartagena, I can swallow. But Bogota? I feel safer in Medellin as compared to Bogota. I have felt safer in the favelas in RIO and the Sarengetti in my Safari trip as compared to Bogota. No joke! Just the fact that the hotel employees have to take down the personal information of the taxi drivers that are picking you up at the hotel( in case you disapear, they can at least have a clue of who you were last seen with), raises a big red flag.
Granted, most of the rough places I have been to have been with a paisa friend, a rolo friend, and a carioca friend(rio). I have been to some pretty screwed up places, in different countries and I just felt totally unsafe as soon as I stepped on the sidewalk in Bogota. All that being said, I don't think Bogota is the most dangerous city in Colombia. Just my two pennies worth, according to my experiences and the experiences of mi amigos y amigas de Colombia.
I have been to Cali Once, Medellin 3 times and Cartagena once. The scariest thing about Colombia is the Peso is now 2038 to the USD!
FoxesHunter
05-13-07, 22:07
People in Colombia routinely make jokes about girls from Pereira being sluts and gold-diggers. It's a running joke for them, so there must be SOME truth to it. Pereira can also be quite dangerous.
Dear friend, I have just chatted with 4-5 boys in Pereira and all they have told me Pereira is not dangerous at all. They told me false words or they don't understand danger? ;)
FoxesHunter
05-13-07, 22:17
The Paisas, Medellin /Pereira, etc ... full of the most drama.
Suerte!
How you know I like much to chat with people in Colombia. I chatted wit 2 girls in Barranquilla and both have asked money. I chatted with 2-3 girls in Pereira and may be do they know how to pretend better? ;)
How you know I like much to chat with people in Colombia. I chatted wit 2 girls in Barranquilla and both have asked money. I chatted with 2-3 girls in Pereira and may be do they know how to pretend better? ;)
Si senor, unfortunately that happens quite a bit, especially from the internet dating sites.
It's funny, because last night I called a chica I met on the internet, from Cartagena, and she asked me to send her money for a new phone.
I said OK, I would love to .... then hung up the phone, never to be called again.
They ask for money like that, bad bad sign of things to come. Plenty of good chicas out there to deal with that.
Suerte!
foxes,
pereira not dangerous at all??? that is false. every city in colombia is dangerous with the exception of cartagena in my opinion. who are these 4-5 boys? friends of yours who you would trust would put their life on the line for you or people you met on line? there's an old adage to keep in mind here.... people never will admit that their city is the most dangerous.
when i talk to my friends in barranquilla about me going to medellin.. thier response is "estas loco? medellin es muy peligroso!"
when i talk to people in medellin and tell them that i live/lived in barranquilla...their response is "pero barranquilla es muy peligroso."
the only area where this does not hold true in my experience is bogota... every colombiano/colombiana both inside bogota and outside bogota always tells me "ojos, cuidado. bogota es muy peligroso." yep, even the cachacos that live there will straight up tell me how dangerous it is. bango cheito is the first person i have ever heard say... "bogota is safe." and while i'm not going to tear apart his statement and explain while it is not as it does no good as his mind is already made up, i will state that from my experience bogota is right where i put it on my list of dangerous/safe areas.
that being said... forget what 4-5 boys told you about pereira being safe. yes, 1st hand knowledge of people on the ground there is always the best. but it's the best hearing it face to face. i don't know where you met these guys, but of course they aren't going to come out and tell you how dangerous pereira can be or how boring it can be because if they do, you proabbly wouldn't go there. do they want that?
i'll tell you a little story as experience is something that one should listen to as well. when i was in medellin in november 2006, i was invited to a finca which is located 6 kilometers off the main road halfway between manizales and pereira. i got really hyped up as i love the countryside. 3 days before i was planning to go, 3 europeans were kidnapped for ransom on that small 6 kilometer road. suffice it to say, i decided not to go to that finca. instead i went to pereira and los termales de santa rosa de cabal which is also relatively close to that finca. i stayed in pereira for a night, in a hotel right off of plaza bolivar. that evening i went to the movie with my girlfriend at a mall located 2 blocks away from plaza bolivar. the movie ended around midnight. walking back we heard gunshots... thus we decided to take a longer route doing pretty much a full 360 to get back to our hotel. it was a very seedy area.. much different than what it looked like in the daytime. once we made it back to our hotel we saw 2 (probably dead) men in the street about 200 yards away. i didn't go check it out, i just told the man at the front desk of my hotel and went to bed.
what's my point? my point is twofold... i found out when i got back to medellin that the 3 europeans were kidnapped because the owners of the finca refused to pay "protection money" to the guerillas. fortunately after a few days they obliged and the kidnappees were let go. 2nd point... an area which an acqaintance in colombia told me was perfectly safe ended up not so safe. granted it may well be safe... maybe i was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. actually, it's a good thing the movie didn't end 3 minutes earlier otherwise there may have been 3 men and a chica dead in the street.
moral is don't take for granted that a place is safe jsut because someone tells you it is safe. you always have to have your eyes and ears open. a few years ago that road from cali to medellin wasn't so safe to travel. fortunately now it is relatively safer. key word.. safer. not 100% safe. after all, if guerillas are collecting "protection money" and kidnpped some extranjeros 6 months ago from an area less than 20 kilometers away from pereira would you still say it's safe? i'm as daredevil as they come... in fact, a buddy of mine in medellin asked me why i would even go to pereira and los termales knowing that guerillas just sequestered a few extrnajeros just a few days earlier. it probably was a risky chance to take. i'm a risk-taker, as we all are for going to colombia in the first place. but don't say pereira is "safe" just because 4-5 boys that i'm assuming you met online told you so. i listen to friends and friends of friends who have nothing to benefit by telling me one way or the other. do these 4-5 boys have anything to benefit? in your eyes, no. in their eyes, maybe they think they have a new extranjero friend que da papaya.
about the pereira chicas opening their legs and lieing down when you tell them to sit... do you think i just made that up? sure the 2 or 3 gals that you have met from there online may seem shy. do you want them to come out and say "get your butt down here so we can screw?" all colombianas are horny by nature. it's in the water. whether you hit it off with them and get them in the sack is all about you... not them being shy or agressive. you got game and know how to make it happen... it's going to happen. you don't and it won't happen. not with a barranquillera, not with a calena, not with a chica from pereira.
dear friend, i have just chatted with 4-5 boys in pereira and all they have told me pereira is not dangerous at all. they told me false words or they don't understand danger? ;)
I've been to Pereira several times now ... lots of pretty chicas ... but the PFP scene is not that good, especially compared to Medellin ... IMHO.
JudgeSchmails
05-14-07, 03:42
Winner. Nice report. You can tell you are sincere and objective in your comments. I think there is danger in most places including the US. THe biggest help I think you can have when in Colombia if you want to play in the riskier areas is to fluently talk Spanish and be cool. Being street smart is something that cannot be overlooked. Obviously, this may not stop you from being kidnapped. I was at a partywith some girlfriends and a buddy. The girls were pretty and the guys who were throwing the party were not the coolest guys in the world. It was no big deal for the most part. They just weren't all that hospitable. Anyhow I realized as the sun was rising, it was time to go. When I went to say thank one for the guys and shake his hand as a polite gester, he pulled his hand away and put his hand close to by face and said "bye gringo". If I were in the states, I would have just punched him immediately. But because I was in Medellin and it was his house, I simply left.
I still look back at that moment as an important moment in my travels. I think if I had hit him, I might now be here. In Colombia, sometimes it is best to just walk away. My spidey sense said, smile politely and walk away. I am not a small guy. But there was nothing to win there. And plenty to lose.
I guess what I am saying is, if you are going to go to Colombia, be smart. It is not your country. I rarely feel nervous. IN fact, I may feel more nervous walking around in Florida. I think the saying in the US is nothing good happens after midnight. I don't feel the same way in Colombia, but I try to be smart when I am partying.
I think I just rambled, but I am constantly asked by people here, is Colombia safe. All I can say is, not for everyone. Hotheads nead not travel there. It is danegerous enough if you are not a hothead. But the juice is sweet.
MiamiHeatLuver
05-14-07, 06:46
Has anybody, known, done it themselves? sent a package or letter via US MAIL to COLOMBIA with any "success"? or any other secure method of shipping that you would like to share. Thanks for any feedback! Kind Regards!
Where in Colombia? It's been a while, but I've sent stuff to Bogota and to Barranquilla. Call Servientrega in Miami. Beatriz will typically answer the phone. She's very freindly. It's better if you speak some Spanish. Like I said, it's been a while... but if I recall Servientrega is under Federal Express... though I do not recommend sending something via FedEx from your home city to Colombia. I've heard nightmares about that. What always worked for me and what I was recommended to do when I had the same questions were the same... Call Servientrega in Miami and talk to Beatriz.
I asked the city becuase I wa always under the impression that shit went from Miami to Bogota and got screened etc in Bogota and then if it needs to go elsewhere it goes from Bogota. Beatriz always told me liek 2-3 days to Bogota and then 5-7 days for Barranquilla. I can confirm that everything I sent always got there pretty timely... i.e less than a week. However, the last time I was in Barranquilla I went to a local Servientrega office in Barranquilla and they told me that all the stuff from Miami going to Colombia in fact gets shipped to their Ecuador or Peru(I cant remember which one) for screening and then on to Colombia. That's just what they told me.. policies may have changed or they could have been clueless. Regardless, that was in February of this year. All the stuff I actually have sent has been over a year ago.
Servientrega is where I would start. It's their biggest courrier and it's always worked for me. Hope that helps.
Has anybody, known, done it themselves? sent a package or letter via US MAIL to COLOMBIA with any "success"? or any other secure method of shipping that you would like to share. Thanks for any feedback! Kind Regards!
Bango Cheito
05-14-07, 07:38
Maybe I am being misunderstood. I NEVER said Bogota was 'safe' by North American standards. It is still up there, especially in the muggings department, LIKE I SAID.
I have actually in about 90 days total I have spent there witnessed THREE attempted muggings. One time the guy fought four of them off, they didn't get a dime but he got cut in a couple places by a razor blade. The other time, my gf was walking ahead of me because she had to use the restroom, and some guy accosted her but he saw me catching up to her and fucked off (I'm a big boy, 6'3" 265lbs). The other time some guy was tailing me, I looked at him to let him know I wasn't having his shit, he fucked off. So I'd be the last person to say muggings aren't a problem in Bogota.
That story about 'so if you disappear they'll at least know when you were last seen' is a little silly. What DOES happen is that a taxi driver (or maybe not even a real taxista) will often take advantage of customers who are drunk or don't know the area, will take a detour into a little alley and his friends are there waiting to rob you. That is a very common scam in many cities. Of course taxi drivers also have to watch their clients VERY carefully too.
My point was not that Bogota was safe and that you should completely let your guard down there, far from it. It was rather that you shouldn't be lulled into a false sense of security in Medellin or Barranquilla which are actually quite a bit MORE dangerous! It's kind of like how people think NYC is a dangerous place just because it's big and dirty and parts of it are run-down, NYC is REALLY one of the SAFEST cities you can visit, especially now. There are tons of American cities with WAY more violence than NYC, but people 'feel more safe' there for some reason I'll never fathom. I work in one of the worst parts of the Bronx day in and day out, and it certainly doesn't compare in danger with ANYWHERE I've been in Latin America, or many other US or Canadian cities.
Another thing to keep in mind is that everybody always worries about murder and kidnapping but even when those kind of stats are very high the likelihood of you being murdered or kidnapped is extremely low compared to the likelihood of you getting mugged or having your pocket picked, or getting hit by a car for that matter!!
Furthermore let me point out that South American cities are NOTHING like North American cities. In North America we could have one of the safest areas of the country right next to one of the most dangerous areas of the country, it happens all the time, a good example is how close Sterling Heights is to Detroit :| in South America it doesn't work that way, even in the nicest, richest neighborhoods shit still goes down. As a matter of fact, in Bogota some of the highest incidents of mugging occur around la 93 and the Zona Rosa, the areas everybody thinks are 'safest' because they still have a North American mentality. Rio is the same way, most of the muggings actually happen in Copacabana Leme and Ipanema (and Rio is one of the places where I've actually been, including two of the favelas).
Bango Cheito
05-14-07, 07:41
A friend of mine did a little experiment sending postcards all over Bogota via the postal service there.... by his results they lost 60% of what he sent!!! No I didn't slip on the zero there, it was over half!
Private courier services are generally good and reliable. It usually takes a week or less from NYC for stuff to get to Bogota, here we have Servientrega and Expresito, the two big ones, and then a bunch of smaller envios places. I'm using some little place in Queens on Tuesday that only charges $1.19 per pound!
I have had a 100% success rate.
A few days ago, I got an invitation sent from Wisconsin to my home in Medellin. There were 2 first class stsmps on the envelope. It got here in 5 days.
I got 3 pieces of mail sent to me in Cartagena. They took longer.
However, I would not advise sending anything very important by regular mail. Use Fed Ex or any other private courier that will service Colombia.
I wouldn't even know how to send "regular" mail from Colombia to the US. Last time, I used Servientrega.
FoxesHunter
05-14-07, 21:14
I've been to Pereira several times now ... lots of pretty chicas ... but the PFP scene is not that good, especially compared to Medellin ... IMHO.
Ricker
In your opinion is it better Madellin or Pereira for fucking no prostitute girls? I will ahev only 12 free days and I'd like to collect some interesting and pleasant fucking.
Thanks
FoxesHunter
05-14-07, 21:17
Winner71
thanks a lot for your precious news. I know Colombia a little bit but reading these posts I begin to understand the colombian people about danger in Colombia.
Ricker
In your opinion is it better Madellin or Pereira for fucking no prostitute girls? I will ahev only 12 free days and I'd like to collect some interesting and pleasant fucking.
Thanks
There are about 3.3 million metro in MDE. Pereira has maybe 500K. You figure it out.
FoxesHunter
05-14-07, 21:28
There are about 3.3 million metro in MDE. Pereira has maybe 500K. You figure it out.
Tom 33
I'm sorry but Medellin is a distracting place that hinders concentration. :)
I think it is a too big town.
Perhaps do you haven't to consider I will have 12 days only.
Do I make a mistaken?
MiamiHeatLuver
05-14-07, 21:58
Where in Colombia? It's been a while, but I've sent stuff to Bogota and to Barranquilla. Call Servientrega in Miami. Beatriz will typically answer the phone. She's very freindly. It's better if you speak some Spanish. Like I said, it's been a while... but if I recall Servientrega is under Federal Express... though I do not recommend sending something via FedEx from your home city to Colombia. I've heard nightmares about that. What always worked for me and what I was recommended to do when I had the same questions were the same... Call Servientrega in Miami and talk to Beatriz.
I asked the city becuase I wa always under the impression that shit went from Miami to Bogota and got screened etc in Bogota and then if it needs to go elsewhere it goes from Bogota. Beatriz always told me liek 2-3 days to Bogota and then 5-7 days for Barranquilla. I can confirm that everything I sent always got there pretty timely... i.e less than a week. However, the last time I was in Barranquilla I went to a local Servientrega office in Barranquilla and they told me that all the stuff from Miami going to Colombia in fact gets shipped to their Ecuador or Peru(I cant remember which one) for screening and then on to Colombia. That's just what they told me.. policies may have changed or they could have been clueless. Regardless, that was in February of this year. All the stuff I actually have sent has been over a year ago.
Servientrega is where I would start. It's their biggest courrier and it's always worked for me. Hope that helps.
Thanks for the lead Winner, you gave me a good starting point to figure out how im gonna get some stuff down to the OLD LADY, but I live in SOUTH BEACH and the Servientrga offices are very far away, DORAL, South Miami, Miami Lakes, Hialeah. SO i bought this up to the nice lady and she suggested her competition, AVIANCA EXPRESS and they have offices and subsideraries all over and just so happens they have one here in MIAMI BEACH, you can send just about anything under 2 lbs in a supplied AVIANCA envelope DOOR to DOOR service for get this $14 yes you are not seeing a misprint $14. It gets there safely and securely in 2 days.. I was pleasantly shocked and surprised considering it costs me $18 to send things with express saver to Orlando. Aww the Irony.
UrbanWildlife
05-14-07, 22:24
Tom, Ricker, and Winter,
Do not waste your breathe as it is very obvious some people do have have a clue!.
This goes to you Foxeshunter, I would seriously checkout Florencia as it would be a perfect fit for you!
Good luck!
BaitAndSwitch
05-15-07, 16:11
I don't get much time for vacation, but I dig Colombian chicks. Is there any way to fly them to the states to hang out without having to marry them?
Thanks
The following is an interesting article on the dark side of Presidente Uribe and his administration. The last paragraph is a curious judgment considering many of the posts here regarding the parachos in and around Santa Marta.
Death-Squad Scandal Circles Closer to Colombia’s President
CALI, Colombia, May 15 — President Álvaro Uribe, the Bush administration’s closest ally in Latin America, faces an intensifying scandal after a jailed former commander of paramilitary death squads testified Tuesday that Mr. Uribe’s defense minister had tried to plot with the outlawed private militias to upset the rule of a former president.
Speaking at a closed court hearing in Medellín, Salvatore Mancuso, the former paramilitary warlord, said Defense Minister Juan Manuel Santos had met with paramilitary leaders in the mid-1990s to discuss efforts to destabilize the president at the time, Ernesto Samper, according to judicial officials.
Mr. Mancuso also said that Vice President Francisco Santos had met with paramilitary leaders in 1997 to discuss taking their operations to the capital, Bogotá.
A spokesman for the Defense Ministry said the minister would not comment. The spokesman said a meeting did take place in which Mr. Santos, the defense minister, discussed an effort to reach a peace plan between two guerrilla groups and the paramilitaries.
The vice president, who was traveling outside the country, was not immediately available for comment.
Mr. Uribe went on national television on Tuesday night, but did not address the allegations.
These revelations followed the disclosure this week of an illegal domestic spying program by the national police force and additional arrests of high-ranking political allies of Mr. Uribe on charges of ties to the paramilitaries.
The scandals also come as Mr. Uribe tries to win Congressional support in Washington for a trade agreement and the disbursement of American counterinsurgency and antinarcotics aid. Mr. Uribe, though popular in Colombia, faces growing scrutiny in the United States Congress.
“This is going to hurt,” said Michael Shifter, vice president for policy for the Inter-American Dialogue in Washington. “As much as Colombia’s government tries to make the case that the system is working, what dominates perception is that there’s a lot of rot.”
Mr. Uribe tried to contain the newest scandal by forcing 12 generals in the national police to resign Monday over illegal wiretaps of political opponents, government officials and journalists.
Among those whose phones were tapped was Carlos Gaviria, an opposition leader who ran for president against Mr. Uribe last year. “This cannot happen under a democratic government,” Mr. Gaviria said.
The purge of the generals came after the newsmagazine Semana published transcripts of cellphone calls from imprisoned paramilitary leaders in which they orchestrated murders and cocaine deals. It was not clear whether these intercepted phone calls were part of the police surveillance program.
Mr. Santos, the defense minister, said neither he nor Mr. Uribe knew of the police wiretapping operation. Still, the report has hurt the credibility of Mr. Uribe’s government, already suffering from a perception of being soft on the paramilitaries.
Mr. Uribe was elected to a second term last year after being credited with making the country’s large cities safer and presiding over a growing economy. But the scandal over the paramilitary ties now threatens a growing number of legislators, business executives, military leaders and American corporations over their collaboration with the paramilitary death squads, which are classified as terrorist organizations by the United States State Department.
The paramilitaries, which are largely demobilized but regrouping in some areas, committed some of the worst atrocities in a long internal war. Prosecutors ordered the arrest on Monday of five legislators for entering into a secret pact with the paramilitaries in 2001, bringing to 14 the total number of legislators implicated in such ties.
Latin Bound
05-16-07, 05:05
Has anybody, known, done it themselves? sent a package or letter via US MAIL to COLOMBIA with any "success"? or any other secure method of shipping that you would like to share. Thanks for any feedback! Kind Regards!Avianca service might be a bit expensive, but is a sure thing that things will get there.
MiamiHeatLuver
05-16-07, 20:47
1.00 USD
=
1,987.80 COP
United States Dollars Colombia Pesos
1 USD = 1,987.80 COP 1 COP = 0.000503069 USD
Never seen it below 2k,, this really really adds up when you exchange large amounts of moolah or consider buying reality like myself..
1.00 USD
=
1,987.80 COP
United States Dollars Colombia Pesos
1 USD = 1,987.80 COP 1 COP = 0.000503069 USD
Never seen it below 2k,, this really really adds up when you exchange large amounts of moolah or consider buying reality like myself..
http://www.banrep.gov.co/statistics/sta_exchange.htm#19502
It was last below 2000 in April of 2000. In 1996 it was 1000. In 1990 it was 450. My guess is that the exporters will cry quite loudly.
This has nothing to do with Gringo mongerers. This is a result of Uribe's policies and Colombia's forward progress in their war against guerillas and progressing as a nation. Look at the Colombian stock market gains over the last 3 years. Ooppss... hope no one comes on here and says that's a result of mongers.
1.00 USD
=
1,987.80 COP
United States Dollars Colombia Pesos
1 USD = 1,987.80 COP 1 COP = 0.000503069 USD
Never seen it below 2k,, this really really adds up when you exchange large amounts of moolah or consider buying reality like myself..
This has nothing to do with Gringo mongerers. This is a result of Uribe's policies and Colombia's forward progress in their war against guerillas and progressing as a nation. Look at the Colombian stock market gains over the last 3 years. Ooppss... hope no one comes on here and says that's a result of mongers.
I don't believe that MHL meant any such thing. I believe that he was merely stating that it hurts.
MiamiHeatLuver
05-17-07, 01:21
I don't believe that MHL meant any such thing. I believe that he was merely stating that it hurts.
Tom,, I think Winner thought I was going there, but then he realized I wasnt and corrected himself towards the end of his statement. :)
BeersTerry
05-17-07, 02:41
I thought that it had nothing to do with the strength of the Colombian economy but rather the state of the U.S. fiscal imbalance....but I am sure that all the experts will come out and correct me on this.
But as that has little to do with visiting Colombia.
Look at www.xe.com for spot currency rates. It does not give you the bid/ask.
Bango Cheito
05-17-07, 06:21
I think it has more to do with the fact that many Colombians are moving back to their country now, moreso than are leaving, and they are bringing a lot of USD with them, plus foreign investment in Colombia is WAY up with Carrefour etc opening up all over the country, not to mention all the foreign investment in construction projects.
I thought that it had nothing to do with the strength of the Colombian economy but rather the state of the U.S. fiscal imbalance....but I am sure that all the experts will come out and correct me on this.
But as that has little to do with visiting Colombia.
Look at www.xe.com for spot currency rates. It does not give you the bid/ask.I think you are right about the US, sure there are factors to the strength of the Colombian peso, but the USD is tanking everywhere. The Canadian Dollar hasn't been this strong in 30 years.
Escort King
05-17-07, 18:16
I thought that it had nothing to do with the strength of the Colombian economy but rather the state of the U.S. fiscal imbalance....but I am sure that all the experts will come out and correct me on this.
But as that has little to do with visiting Colombia.
Look at www.xe.com for spot currency rates. It does not give you the bid/ask.
www.gocurrency.com has a better tool.... even has historic rates
Just mailed an important time sensitive letter from Orlando to Bogota via DHL. Cost $58.08. Ouch!
AIDS In the USA Andel med HIV/AIDS: 0.61%
AIDS In Colombia Andel med HIV/AIDS: 0.31%
2007
Master Yoda
05-22-07, 16:30
Just wanted to get a Colombian to give me their opinion of what the definition means since its pretty confusing. Some of the women on the escort sites call themselves trigueña and others morena but they look nearly similar
trigueña seems to mean white looking and morena is more tanned looking colombians whilst blanca is blondes.
or is it ...
trigueña is more of the mestiza look like Salma Hayek which most people seems to have and morena is more of the beauitful beyonce look you see in Cartagena?
thanks
Peter Solano
05-22-07, 19:01
Just wanted to get a Colombian to give me their opinion of what the definition means since its pretty confusing. Some of the women on the escort sites call themselves trigueña and others morena but they look nearly similar
trigueña seems to mean white looking and morena is more tanned looking colombians whilst blanca is blondes.
or is it ...
trigueña is more of the mestiza look like Salma Hayek which most people seems to have and morena is more of the beauitful beyonce look you see in Cartagena?
thanksTrigueña is a tanned skinned girl and morena a black girl as to say a NEGRA would be insulting, equivalent to nigger in the US.
Blanca, white but not necessarily a blonde unless she is very faired skinned.
MiamiHeatLuver
05-22-07, 19:11
Trigueña is a tanned skinned girl and morena a black girl as to say a NEGRA would be insulting, equivalent to nigger in the US.
Blanca, white but not necessarily a blonde unless she is very faired skinned.
My novia is pretty white and blonde, so she is getting the "oye MONA" quite a bit, that is the comon popular phrase for "light skinned blondes" over there.
Master Yoda
05-22-07, 19:28
so is a mestiza or a person of mixed spanish and indian heritage known as triguena?
Bango Cheito
05-22-07, 21:18
IF her skin has a yellowish tone to it, yes. Generally they don't say much about it as the majority of the population has that look there.
MiamiHeatLuver
05-26-07, 18:19
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RioThaiGuy
05-28-07, 19:38
Just curious how important are getting shots. Such as yellow fever and malaria shots if going to more of the out skirt areas such as Bucaramanga. Not overly worried as I have been to Bogota Cartagena y Barranquilla without but just wondered from people that would know.
Thanks
When calling agencies either from websites or the Newspaper, is it appropriate to ask details about what a girl will or won't provide (i.e. BBBJ, Greek, etc)? Will they hang up on you like agencies in the states? What exactly is the phrase used for each of the above examples in Spanish? Also, would you use these same phrases when questioning a pro that you run into on in a bar or on the street? Is it more likely that pro girls will or won't BBBJ or Greek? Thanks in advance...I'll be in Bogota Wednesday for a week!
Rodeo
Bango Cheito
05-29-07, 06:53
Bucaramanga is not in a malaria/yellow fever area. There ARE areas like that in the country but they are mostly real rural and a few degrees less hot than hell itself.
As for the escort agencies, there is no problem with them giving details over the phone, prostitution is LEGAL in Colombia. Just try to be as polite as possible on the phone, the locals are big on that.
Anal sex= sexo anal
BBBBJ= sexo oral sin condom
MiamiHeatLuver
06-03-07, 21:30
Very interesting documentary on the ghetto areas and gang violence in Medellin area. Its called "LA SIERRA" Just picked it up from Blockbuster of all places and it is a very recent "3 years old" sobering look at some of the slums and ghetto areas of MDE.I asked the novia if shes seen it and she refuses to see it because it is too violent for her.
Or you can get uneditted versions on the street from the vendors. I bought an uneditted version of it last year for 2k pesos from a vendor in front of SAO del 53 in Barranquilla.
Very interesting documentary on the ghetto areas and gang violence in Medellin area. Its called "LA SIERRA" Just picked it up from Blockbuster of all places and it is a very recent "3 years old" sobering look at some of the slums and ghetto areas of MDE.I asked the novia if shes seen it and she refuses to see it because it is too violent for her.
Latin Bound
06-04-07, 09:44
Trigueña is a tanned skinned girl and morena a black girl as to say a NEGRA would be insulting, equivalent to nigger in the US.
Blanca, white but not necessarily a blonde unless she is very faired skinned.
A morena can also mean dark haired.
Very interesting documentary on the ghetto areas and gang violence in Medellin area. Its called "LA SIERRA" Just picked it up from Blockbuster of all places and it is a very recent "3 years old" sobering look at some of the slums and ghetto areas of MDE.I asked the novia if shes seen it and she refuses to see it because it is too violent for her.
I just finished reading "Born to Die in Medellin." I bought it from Amazon.com. It was written in 1990 and concentrates on street gang life in the 80's.
MiamiHeatLuver
06-05-07, 17:40
Forwarded to me by a good friend! DISASTER, If you ask me.
http://www.fxstreet.com/news/forex-news/article.aspx?StoryId=cec789fb-990b-4591-911c-c46fffbd1d75
Hello everyone:
I am trying to get to Medellin for 2 weeks in July. Preferably, July 8-22. I got there last year on 35K miles on American. I just checked and they only have trips for 60K miles (Business/1st Class) I checked the price and after taxes and fees on American, RT coach is costing over $800usd!
Anybody knows a travel agent or consolidator that might have tickets for around $500usd? I have checked Orbitz, Travelocity, Yahoo. Avianca was still pretty high and I have heard that they have terrible service. Any help will be appreciated.
Almotu,
Give Delgado Travel a try. A web search will provide the link.
Anyone have experience with normal taxis at the airport to get into town? or should I just use the airport pick up services provided by the various drivers mentioned on this board.
I already got a quote of 50K COP for the trip. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
The standard rate is about 45k or so. I forget exactly how much. You will see the correct price displayed just inside the sliding doors as you exit the baggage claim area into the arrivals hall.
I usually take the taxi collectivo, which is 3 or 4 passengers sharing a taxi into the city. This costs 12k each for 4 passengers, or 15k each for 3 passengers.
This will leave you near San Diego. You can then take a short taxi to Poblado or wherever.
In the other direction there is a taxi collectivo going from the city to the airport. It leaves from near the corner of cra 42 and cll 49 (Centro). This costs about 10k.
I always take the mini- shuttle bus to Hotel Nutibarra... 5500 pesos from the airport. from there you can get a cab to anywhere in Poblado for 6-7k pesos.
The standard rate is about 45k or so. I forget exactly how much. You will see the correct price displayed just inside the sliding doors as you exit the baggage claim area into the arrivals hall.
I usually take the taxi collectivo, which is 3 or 4 passengers sharing a taxi into the city. This costs 12k each for 4 passengers, or 15k each for 3 passengers.
This will leave you near San Diego. You can then take a short taxi to Poblado or wherever.
In the other direction there is a taxi collectivo going from the city to the airport. It leaves from near the corner of cra 42 and cll 49 (Centro). This costs about 10k.
MiamiHeatLuver
06-09-07, 23:39
The standard rate is about 45k or so. I forget exactly how much. You will see the correct price displayed just inside the sliding doors as you exit the baggage claim area into the arrivals hall.
I usually take the taxi collectivo, which is 3 or 4 passengers sharing a taxi into the city. This costs 12k each for 4 passengers, or 15k each for 3 passengers.
This will leave you near San Diego. You can then take a short taxi to Poblado or wherever.
In the other direction there is a taxi collectivo going from the city to the airport. It leaves from near the corner of cra 42 and cll 49 (Centro). This costs about 10k.
I alwyas get a pick-up recomendation by someone I TRUST, then if it is you first time getting picked up by that person, I pay them a phone-call to describe each other, unless he's gonna make a sign with your name on it, THEN as a final security measure I come up with a verbal password that we both know that is said to me upon first meeting! Does it sound too paranoid? No not for me. And i dont really think its overkill when your LIFE is at stake and some of the HORROR stories I have heard and read. But to each his own.
I always take the mini- shuttle bus to Hotel Nutibarra... 5500 pesos from the airport. from there you can get a cab to anywhere in Poblado for 6-7k pesos.
Another option on the minibus is to get off at Terminal del Norte. There you can catch a taxi without hassling with the centro traffic. And I live near centro.
Hoof Hunter
06-10-07, 16:20
Another option on the minibus is to get off at Terminal del Norte. There you can catch a taxi without hassling with the centro traffic. And I live near centro.
From the airport to Poblado, a taxi took me about 40-45 mins. From the airport to Terminal del Norte or Centro, how long on avg. would it take?
From the airport to Poblado, a taxi took me about 40-45 mins. From the airport to Terminal del Norte or Centro, how long on avg. would it take?
Roughly 35 minutes to Terminal del Norte and maybe 45 minutes to centro. You do have to wait in the bus until it fills or the next bus arrives.
Hey,
Can anyone provide me with some details on CTG regarding locations. I'm am not very familiar with the place but for example how far is it from say Laguito to the Old City, or Bocagrande? Does anyone know where I can get a detailed map?
Thanks
Hey,
Can anyone provide me with some details on CTG regarding locations. I'm am not very familiar with the place but for example how far is it from say Laguito to the Old City, or Bocagrande? Does anyone know where I can get a detailed map?
Thanks
http://www.cartagenainfo.net/mapas/index.html
Laguito to the old city is a 10-minute taxi ride.
Good link tom, 33 I haven't seen that link before, although I have seen the maps many times.
Thanks
Hunter
Hey,
Can anyone provide me with some details on CTG regarding locations. I'm am not very familiar with the place but for example how far is it from say Laguito to the Old City, or Bocagrande? Does anyone know where I can get a detailed map?
ThanksAs tom 33 says its about 10 mins from Laguito to the walls of the Old City, but that depends on the traffic, it sometimes can take a lot longer in the rush hours, or if they are diging up the roads, which seem to happen all to regular in Ctg.
Below is a photo of part of the old City, Laguito is at the end of the spit of land going off in the distance:
http://www.colombiarental.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28
Hunter
Thanks for the links guys. Much obliged. My only regret it booking the tickets at the end of summer because now I have to wait.
Can anyone tell me what exchange rate you are getting on the ground (especially in Medellin) for US Dollars? 1,900COP = $1usd? I am interested in actual exchange of cash (bank notes). I usually travel with some cash along with my ATM cards.
MiamiHeatLuver
06-20-07, 03:22
Can anyone tell me what exchange rate you are getting on the ground (especially in Medellin) for US Dollars? 1,900COP = $1usd? I am interested in actual exchange of cash (bank notes). I usually travel with some cash along with my ATM cards.
You might even get less than that! www.xe.com
Can anyone tell me what exchange rate you are getting on the ground (especially in Medellin) for US Dollars? 1,900COP = $1usd? I am interested in actual exchange of cash (bank notes). I usually travel with some cash along with my ATM cards.
My novia got 1926 yesterday from an ATM in Medellin. For cash you get a lot less. There is a cost for moving the cash. I would guess 1800 to 1850 for cash.
(The girl) told (her attorney) to dismiss the suit and cancel the claim before the DAS. However the attorney is not willing to put it off until she gets paid. Her balance is $2 million. She told me that if you pay this off, she will take care of dismissing all, she even gave me an account number. 3. She informed me that (I) the other guy is claiming that he is the father of the child and that the have a very cunfussing relationship with (the girl).
Some of you guys may recall the warning I posted on Buying Property in Colombia, that you could be named in a paternity suit. Well, it happened to me a year ago.
I have omitted the name of the girl, though she is from Medellin. I met her thru Colombiansweethearts.com. I would caution anyone who wants to have a relationship with a Colombiana, that this can happen to you too!
Just now the lawsuit is winding down. Above is an excerpt from an email from Juan German-Osario, the attorney recommended to me by Aussie Greg of the Medellin Mansion. I am not paying anything, unless the girl gets a test with the Colombian guy and it is negative. Then I will submit to testing with the child. By the way, the child looks like a Colombian was the father, not a gringo.
Turns out that another guy is claiming that he is the father and the girls attorney is willing to drop everything. IF I pay her attorney's fees! See the price you pay for coming to Colombia!
(The girl) told (her attorney) to dismiss the suit and cancel the claim before the DAS. However the attorney is not willing to put it off until she gets paid. Her balance is $2 million. She told me that if you pay this off, she will take care of dismissing all, she even gave me an account number. 3. She informed me that (I) the other guy is claiming that he is the father of the child and that the have a very cunfussing relationship with (the girl).
Some of you guys may recall the warning I posted on Buying Property in Colombia, that you could be named in a paternity suit. Well, it happened to me a year ago.
I have omitted the name of the girl, though she is from Medellin. I met her thru Colombiansweethearts.com. I would caution anyone who wants to have a relationship with a Colombiana, that this can happen to you too!
Just now the lawsuit is winding down. Above is an excerpt from an email from Juan German-Osario, the attorney recommended to me by Aussie Greg of the Medellin Mansion. I am not paying anything, unless the girl gets a test with the Colombian guy and it is negative. Then I will submit to testing with the child. By the way, the child looks like a Colombian was the father, not a gringo.
Turns out that another guy is claiming that he is the father and the girls attorney is willing to drop everything. IF I pay her attorney's fees! See the price you pay for coming to Colombia!The only price you pay is when you don't wrap it, dude. That is common sense. No wrapper, will get you hung everytime. You are not 15 I suppose so don't go here crying about this is the price you pay for coming to Colombia. You paid the price for not wrapping the goods, buddy. Sorry it happened but thats just life no matter where in world you go.
Ken_Apples
06-28-07, 16:05
Hello!
I'm reading this reports about lawsuits over beeing father to a colombian child.
And it makes me concerned and confused.
Can someone with knowledge on the matter fill in the blanks, please.
I guess there's alot more guys than me that plans on bringing a paisa back home for setting a family.
I would love to straighten out the rules/obligations before taking this step.
In a case of separation from the mother (NOT beeing married, just having a child together):
1, If you father a child, and you still live in Colombia - how much to pay from your income, according to colombian laws?
2, If you father a child, and you live in USA/EU - how much can she claim you to pay from your income, according to USA/EU laws?
Best regards and Thanks in advance, Ken Apples.
MiamiHeatLuver
06-29-07, 00:12
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/06/28/colombia.hostages.reut/index.html
Hello!
I'm reading this reports about lawsuits over beeing father to a colombian child.
And it makes me concerned and confused.
Can someone with knowledge on the matter fill in the blanks, please.
I guess there's alot more guys than me that plans on bringing a paisa back home for setting a family.
I would love to straighten out the rules/obligations before taking this step.
In a case of separation from the mother (NOT beeing married, just having a child together):
1, If you father a child, and you still live in Colombia - how much to pay from your income, according to colombian laws?
2, If you father a child, and you live in USA/EU - how much can she claim you to pay from your income, according to USA/EU laws?
Best regards and Thanks in advance, Ken Apples.Thanks for your questions, Ken, it lets me explain.
I had married this Medellin girl and wanted to start a family with her. I am not 15, but 51 and this was my last attempt to have a family. I had planned on bringing her to the US also. Unfaithful, she had a Colombian boyfriend who had unprotected sex with her several times during one month while we were waiting for her spousal visa. Nine months later, her baby looks like a Colombian.
Do not trust these girls you meet from an agency, whether in Cali or Medellin. They are opportunists!
I could tell there was something wrong going on, with my intuition, she was behaving 180 degrees different, so I had promptly gotten an annulment in the US. After one year of a lawsuit and being barred from entry to Colombia under threat of arrest for non-support, last week her lawyer finally verified the reality to my lawyer. A Colombian guy was claiming he is the father!
Now the girl is voluntarily dropping the lawsuit, getting a paternity test with the Colombian guy and the results should be known in 3 weeks. If he is not the father, then I possibly may be, or there could be Colombian guy #2? I also had unprotected sex once or twice during the same time with my "then wife", but I was hoping to start a family with her.
To answer your questions, Ken, Colombia and the US do not cooperate in the area of child support enforcement like several other English speaking countries. There is very little the Colombian Courts can do to get a US guy to pay child support. The girl would have to have you served personally (it takes a year or two for papers to come thru the Colombian embassy in Miami) with a lawsuit in the US or Colombia, get a Colombian Judgment, and have a US attorney to do alot of expensive legal work to domesticate the foreign judgment, that she probably could not afford.
In my case, her lawyer had not been paid anything by the girl and that is partly why her lawyer told my lawyer everything, in violation of the attorney-client privilege. The girl had lied to me for over a year about not having another Colombian boyfriend.
She thought, and still thinks, that she can push the kid off on me and I would not get a blood test. I have learned some of this while sweating about my own future.
I would love to hear of some relationship to a Colombiana that worked out to a gringo, long term, but unfortunately I do not know of any. Sorry, I sound negative about this ordeal.
Good luck!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/06/28/colombia.hostages.reut/index.html
Good find Miami Luver!
I've been to Colombia 5x. Great country, great people, great climate and beautiful women - but let's not forget that this country still has a prevalent "drug culture" and a "gang culture" that is deeply ingrained in the society.
FARC is still a very real and very powerful force in the countries rural areas.
MiamiHeatLuver
06-29-07, 19:40
Good find Miami Luver!
I've been to Colombia 5x. Great country, great people, great climate and beautiful women - but let's not forget that this country still has a prevalent "drug culture" and a "gang culture" that is deeply ingrained in the society.
FARC is still a very real and very powerful force in the countries rural areas.
People SHOULD NOT, think its like D.R. or even worse C.R. or Panama!
You might want to change that post to... FARC and Paramilitaries are still a force in the entire country, not just rural areas. They fight each other and the government in the rural areas... but when it comes to trying to make a political point they do their damage in cities as well... I.e. bombs, kidnappings, etc.
FARC is still a very real and very powerful force in the countries rural areas.[/QUOTE]
Chicochulo
06-30-07, 02:43
Members might want to add to this list of important precautions.
1 - Never assume any situation is safe. Your wingman and you should always have a key phrase to notify the other to 'Get out right now - No questions asked!' Some phrase like,"I spell smoke!" or whatever. Remember, one can always revisit a place or situation, you can't always enjoy the rest of your trip if you've been roughed up/robbed or worse.
2 - Like the italian and russian mafia, you are a valued customer. The colombians want you to behave the way you should, as a guest. Be polite, spend lots of money and be smart enough to get a formal intro to a super hot chica in a normal nightclub. Most managers or staff from these places will do it for a small fee. They'll also tell you if she's la vovia de un cabron. It's not uncommon for latinos to be jealous. The gangsters are more so and carry very big guns. Can you say, Toni Montana!!!
Add more, if you want. I should end right now so I don't go over the time limit.
CC
You may want to spend a lot of money, but if you want your theory #1 to hold true you DO NOT want anyone seeing you spend a lot of money. Nor do you want ANYONE to think that you have very much money. This goes for even people you think you can trust. Spending money or letting people know you have money is the #1 thing you do not want to do in Colombia, ever!
Members might want to add to this list of important precautions.
1 - Never assume any situation is safe. Your wingman and you should always have a key phrase to notify the other to 'Get out right now - No questions asked!' Some phrase like,"I spell smoke!" or whatever. Remember, one can always revisit a place or situation, you can't always enjoy the rest of your trip if you've been roughed up/robbed or worse.
2 - Like the italian and russian mafia, you are a valued customer. The colombians want you to behave the way you should, as a guest. Be polite, spend lots of money and be smart enough to get a formal intro to a super hot chica in a normal nightclub. Most managers or staff from these places will do it for a small fee. They'll also tell you if she's la vovia de un cabron. It's not uncommon for latinos to be jealous. The gangsters are more so and carry very big guns. Can you say, Toni Montana!!!
Add more, if you want. I should end right now so I don't go over the time limit.
CC
Ken_Apples
06-30-07, 17:23
Npaul, Thanks for your reporting here on the forum, I guess your report falls under the same safety warnings as other types of danger-warning in Colombia :)
To take it from the beginning: There is alot of beautiful Colombian girls out there, and to have a child with one of those beauties, is not the worst thing that can happen to a man :)
The best way, imho, would be to learn to speak spannish, and get out of the tourist center (where the "street smart" girls are "working") and try to get a "non pro working" local beauty. She is more likely not to be playing games with you/me.
I would also never marry a colobian girl b e f o r e she has given me my son/daughter. IF the relation works out, and that would take a year or two to find out, THEN i would marry her.
I also shortly after birth would run a dna father test without her knowledge, knowing for 100% that I actually am the father. If I am, then everything is cool, but If I'm not the father, she'll littery be kicked out of the house and send't back to colombian on the first possible flight.
As we were discussing - My mission is to get ME a family: How many of those paisas would not be more than happy to get a chance in the "first world" for herself and her kids? - If she don't get that or dont want it, then send her dumb ass back to that hunger/dust/drugdealing street where she came from, and give it a new try with a new girl.
We are doing her a huge favour - so no need to take any shit. ( and no reason for beeing an asshole eather, just treat her with love & respect, and expect the same back)
However, IF I am the father and the relation fails, I have no problem paying for my son/daughter to have the possibilites for a good life, and this is where the $$ question comes.
I beleve, and please do correct me if i'm wrong:
That in the USA/EU you pay 20% of your disponible income (income after paying houseloan, rent and those "solid" bills you can't avoid) to the mother.
Period.
And the same goes for paying from USA/EU to colombia if the mother decides to move there.
But this million $$ lawsiuts just don't fit in to my calculation, so if someone can put a light on that one, I would be grateful.
Ok, best regards to fellow mongers, known and unknown / Ken apples.
But this million $$ lawsiuts just don't fit in to my calculation, so if someone can put a light on that one, I would be grateful.
Ok, best regards to fellow mongers, known and unknown / Ken apples.That email was from my Colombian attorney and the figure was in pesos. Divide by about 2000 and you get $1,000 US which her attorney wanted me to pay her in attorney's fees. Then she would drop the lawsuit and advise DAS so I could enter Colombia again.
I am going to wait and see what happens. In 3 weeks the blood test for paternity should come back for the Colombian guy. I expect he is the father.
Bango Cheito
06-30-07, 20:39
First you are wrong about the child support amount in the US. It totally depends on the judge here in NYC and can be ridiculoulsy low OR high. In some cases for ONE kid you could end up paying half your net income!
Secondly, only a very small minority of Colombians want to leave, and coming to the US is not seen as a "prize". Out of those who ARE willing to leave 99.99% of them want to go for WORK ONLY and return to Colombia within a couple years or so. Almost NOBODY EVER in Colombia moves out of the country for any other reason than to get a better job/make more money.
I would strongly recommend that you NOT marry anybody in Colombia with the plan of taking them up here without having them actually see what it's like here first. Many Colombians in the US actually suffer from severe culture shock and often it's not at all what they expected here.
In my case it's very easy because I actually like it down in Bogota so I'm going to go and live there. Problem solved.
First you are wrong about the child support amount in the US. It totally depends on the judge here in NYC and can be ridiculoulsy low OR high. In some cases for ONE kid you could end up paying half your net income!........
In most states (in the US) there are tables that are used by the authorities to calculate child support monies based on your income. You can easily access those tables on the internet.
Alimony (b itch payment) is more "fluid" and depends if it is regarded as a long-term marriage (8yrs +), her ability to earn etc. To that extent it can depend a little on the judge.
Whatever, economically you will be paying for the most expensive pus*y you have ever had!!
Suerte!
Polvo
Chicochulo
07-01-07, 08:00
The point you make, Winner, reminds me of the Colombian rule of 'Papaya.' As a foreigner, it's almost impossible to live by the rules. However, as the rules start, don't give papaya but, if you see papaya, take it. As for the paternity issue. Dude, you are giving way too much papaya!
CC
I think with all this talk about paternity cases for foreign born children it is important to make sure that the proper information is being disseminated. First of all, the legislative body that governs the distribution of monies to foreign born children of US citizens is the US Department of State.
Since 1996, when Congress for the first time specifically authorized federal-level agreements regarding child support enforcement, the United States has entered into a number of reciprocal agreements. Currently, the U.S. has Federal reciprocal arrangements in force with Australia, Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Branswick, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nova Scotia, Ontario; Czech Republic, Ireland, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovak Republic.
Also, the U.S. has held formal discussions with more than 30 additional countries since 1997. Negotiations are continuing with many of these countries at this time. Agreements in principle have been reached with Australia , the Netherlands, and Norway and procedures for finalizing these agreements are underway.
However at this point in time (2007) that is it! There is NO other reciprocity agreements in place for the maintenance and support of foreign born children to US citizens in any other country on this planet!
The record keeping abilities in most Latin American countries, and the level of corruption (doctoring of blood tests, mislabeling test results, poorly filing birth records and other certificates) is so high, that the US government won't force its citizens to answer charges made by adminstrative bodies in response to matters of paternity in any of these nations.
Any lawsuit filed by a court or attorney in Colombia on a paternity matter will NOT be entertained in the United States, because it will not be considered to have been filed by a court of "competent jurisdiction" and as such has no weight, or legal standing here. Of course, the Colombian courts could take you into custody or prosecute you if you tried to re-enter the nation of Colombia. That much is true.
In my opinion, you should not have children with any women in any country that you are unwillingly to support or care for! I agree with this. This, however is much more a matter of morality than it is a point of litigation. In theory if you want to travel the globe and indiscriminately -impregnate dozens of women.....well then what you're doing is ethicly and morally corrupt, but in most nations- it is not prosecutable.
Just thought I would make that point for anyone who cares.
cheers...............
Any lawsuit filed by a court or attorney in Colombia on a paternity matter will NOT be entertained in the United States, because it will not be considered to have been filed by a court of "competent jurisdiction" and as such has no weight, or legal standing here. The Colombian court would have personal jurisdiction IF you 1. Voluntarily file papers contesting the lawsuit down there (submit to the jurisdiction) or 2. If you accept service of process, thru the Miami Embassy, by certified mail. It takes at least a year, I have moved since and my forwarding address has expired. I probably never will get the certified letter. The girl has a hearing on July 10th to tell the Judge she wants to dismiss the lawsuit.
Even if the Colombian courts issue an Order of paternity or divorce or whatever, it can only be levied or garnished upon property you own in Colombia. If you live in the US the Order must be "domesticated" into the state court by the girl. This requires serving you with a new lawsuit in your home state and giving you the right to raise several defenses/objections: lack of personal jurisdicion, lack of service of process, etc. There are some lawyers who specialize in this, often they are collection attorneys who try to collect judgments from other countries or states, they know the ropes.
Then, if the court in your state "domesticates" the foreign judgment you still can raise defenses to the subject matter of the complaint, I. E. Deny paternity, deny all the allegations of the complaint, etc. In Florida we have the right to a Jury Trial on the issue of Paternity. Yes, ask any Florida lawyer.
Just ask me, I have researched this process and it is a complicated and expensive process for any Colombiana to pursue.
Of course, if you believe the child truly is yours, you may want to pursue it in the Colombian courts. In my case the girl admitted to having sex with a Colombian guy in the month of February and the child was born nine months later in November. Good luck.
So true... way too much papaya given... like from 99% of the gringos that go to Medellin.
As for these Paternity threads, I've refrained from commenting solely for its ludicracy as Ford has now pointed out. The only thing that could ever happen is someone could push it so far so you basically can never return to Colombia... and that is it. Further, I think this would only happen to someone that would let it get that far in the first place. I.e. this poster made a post about "never receiving Fed-Ex's or something to that affect" as you can't be served or sued or whatever if you don't accept them. That in itself tells me that this is an individual que da papaya. My sense is he went to Colombia, made it known that he is important, has a bank account, makes a lot of money, or came off to certain individuals that he does and then it went on and on and on.
I tell everyone that asks for advice, do not let anyone know you have cash, do not spend cash in large amounts and act like it means nothing. Peronally, this is one of the reasons I would never consider staying at the $80-100/night locations in Medellin. You are in Medellin playing with chicas that would be thrilled for a payday. Does anyone really think they don't know how much it costs per night for a room at say the Mansion?
This Paternity thing would only happen to those that go about doing things in a manner asking for a problem. These gals look for prey. If you don't come accross as a payday to them, you have no problems. If you fork out $100/night on a hotel and are willing to pay $75-100 to get laid everyday, well you my friend are now a possible "payday."
Though as Ford has pointed out, if you do become their victim... the worse thing that can happen is you can't return to Colombia. Which quite frankly for me is a big deal because I consider Colombia the most fantastic country in the world. And honestly, do you really want some of your juniors out there running around without you knowing anything about their life. I don't think anyone really wants this and most putas abort so many babies a year it would mind-boggle most of the people reading this thread (via a pill). However, don't think that if someone thinks you are a payday they won't think twice about trying to have you held responsible for their kid and turning your life into hell just thinking about it. It won't happen to me. Will it happen to anyone here?
The point you make, Winner, reminds me of the Colombian rule of 'Papaya.' As a foreigner, it's almost impossible to live by the rules. However, as the rules start, don't give papaya but, if you see papaya, take it. As for the paternity issue. Dude, you are giving way too much papaya!
CC
Anyone who mongers regularly should invest in a vasectomy. Running around randomly impregnating ignorant chicas is reprehensible. Condoms are not a highly effective form of birth control and less so when chicas are igorant.
Besides a vasectomy never ever give out any personal information out about yourself. Where you live, what you do etc. if you do it will come back to bite you in the ass. There are always people who are nice to your face but are real sleese bags. This may be a shock to some of you but a few of the biggest ones are your fellow mongers.
It not just babies that you got to be worried about, AIDs is a big problem in Colombia evern if you have not heard much about it,there is alot there.
superboy
It not just babies that you got to be worried about, AIDs is a big problem in Colombia evern if you have not heard much about it,there is alot there.
superboyAccording to the CIA World Factbook, the prevalence of HIV/AIDS in the Colombian population is only at 0.7% (as of 2003). That doesn't represent a big problem at all.
What's happening with Colombian peso down there? It has been appreciating so much since I was there last year! Now US$1 buys only less than 2000 pesos. I was thinking about going to Colombia this month but am thinking going somewhere else. Well I'm a budget monger. So it matters.
Bango Cheito
07-03-07, 07:02
Not any worse than the US is. Both are at 0.6% right now. See the "AIDS" section for more info.
I know Medellin phone numbers have a 312 prefix. Does anybody know if 525 prefix exist in Colombia?
I know Medellin phone numbers have a 312 prefix. Does anybody know if 525 prefix exist in Colombia?
The 312 is a cell phone, not Medellin. The Medellin prefix is 4. To call any cell phone in Colombia from the US, dial 011-57-xxx-xxx-xxxx. The land lines in MDE are 011-57-4-xxx-xxxx.
MiamiHeatLuver
07-03-07, 14:25
I know Medellin phone numbers have a 312 prefix. Does anybody know if 525 prefix exist in Colombia?
NOOOO 525 as a prefix in Colombia, could be a fijo, but you need a city code,
CELL PHONES PREFIX:
300-301 Tigo
310-314 Comcel
315-317 Movistar
I know Medellin phone numbers have a 312 prefix. Does anybody know if 525 prefix exist in Colombia?
I doubt if 525 is the prefix ... I bet it's 575 instead.
I believe that's Barranquilla and/or Cartagena area home or business number.
I was asking because a chica that I met in MDE wrote this to me.
"Mi Nuevo numero es 05252630243 Llame." Is she in Panama, Spain?
The country code for mexico is 52 ... maybe she's there :)
Or she made a mistake and meant to type a 57 ... and she's in Cartagena.
Suerte amigo !
FYI- If your gf lives in Colombia and the number below is her number and she accidentally wrote 0525 instead of 0575 ... she would be in Barranquilla or Cartagena. By the way... I called the number assuming the 2 is a 7. That number does not exist.
Also, you said you met this gal in MDE. I.e. 1) face to face and she gave you this on a sheet of paper or 2) you met or chat with her online and she gave you this number and told yous she is from Medellin. I'm curious.
Lastly, it's not rare at all for gals to give out incorrect numbers.
I was asking because a chica that I met in MDE wrote this to me.
"Mi Nuevo numero es 05252630243 Llame." Is she in Panama, Spain?
FYI- If your gf lives in Colombia and the number below is her number and she accidentally wrote 0525 instead of 0575 ... she would be in Barranquilla or Cartagena. By the way... I called the number assuming the 2 is a 7. That number does not exist.
Also, you said you met this gal in MDE. I.e. 1) face to face and she gave you this on a sheet of paper or 2) you met or chat with her online and she gave you this number and told yous she is from Medellin. I'm curious.
Lastly, it's not rare at all for gals to give out incorrect numbers.She may be in Mexico City!
Mexico code 52
Mexico city code is 5
She may be in mexico City
My Two cents.
Kukulkan
I met this girl in person! First time in May last year at a bar downtown then saw her again in October when she 'graduated' to working at FaseDos. I had her local cellphone number and she usually picks up when I call. She was going to go to Panama for 6 months for work.
A few weeks after I left MDE, I get an e-mail from her . . . she ended up not making the trip and was working as a webcam girl. Now, I get this message with the phone number but no explanation where she is. I was hoping to see her when I get into Medellin beginning this Saturday but cest la vie.
Escort King
07-05-07, 18:31
I met this girl in person! First time in May last year at a bar downtown then saw her again in October when she 'graduated' to working at FaseDos. I had her local cellphone number and she usually picks up when I call. She was going to go to Panama for 6 months for work.
A few weeks after I left MDE, I get an e-mail from her . . . she ended up not making the trip and was working as a webcam girl. Now, I get this message with the phone number but no explanation where she is. I was hoping to see her when I get into Medellin beginning this Saturday but cest la vie.
why not email her back and tell her you want to meet somewhere at a specific time and date.... make it close to the casas so if she is a no show you can move on after an hour.
Since I got that message, I have sent her several e-mails but have not heard from her yet. That's why, I am doing the detective work.
HoleRanger
07-10-07, 00:55
Greetings all, I plan to visit Medellin on my next romp. On the Colombian Embassy site, it states a visa is not required for USA citizens to visit as a tourist. Could any of the membership confirm this,I've read just the opposite on other sites and hope the Embassy site info is up to date.
Thanks in advance.
Enjoy!
Greetings all, I plan to visit Medellin on my next romp. On the Colombian Embassy site, it states a visa is not required for USA citizens to visit as a tourist. Could any of the membership confirm this,I've read just the opposite on other sites and hope the Embassy site info is up to date.
Thanks in advance.
Enjoy!You are good brother.
If you a have a Valid Usa Passport, you all good.
My two cents
Kukulkan
VanDammage
07-10-07, 11:29
Any idea what is the average salary for Colombians?
I will be travelling there soon.
Greetings all, I plan to visit Medellin on my next romp. On the Colombian Embassy site, it states a visa is not required for USA citizens to visit as a tourist. Could any of the membership confirm this,I've read just the opposite on other sites and hope the Embassy site info is up to date.
Thanks in advance.
Enjoy!
You will get a minimum of 30 days upon entry with a US passport. Many times they will stamp you for 60 days. You can get 30-day renewals at the local DAS office. You can stay a maximum of 180 days in a year without a formal VISA.
HoleRanger
07-10-07, 18:43
Thanks for the quick response and information gents. Medellin is on the radar for my next trip. Time to start planning and tracking airfare.
Enjoy:)
Bango Cheito
07-10-07, 22:14
Any idea what is the average salary for Colombians?
I will be travelling there soon.
In Bogota it's about 1.2 million a month, in other places lower, sometimes MUCH lower. In many smaller localities the minimum salary of 410k or whatever it is now probably IS the average.
Any idea what is the average salary for Colombians?
I will be travelling there soon.My Guy's in cali make abouth 800,000.00 Cp a month, Plus benefits.
The minimun are about 600,000.00 a month plus benefits.
In other areas like, Cartago, Armenia, Pereira.
For Bogota, Medellin,Cartagena and Barranquilla my guess is a lot more the minimun.
My two cents.
Kukulkan
In Bogota it's about 1.2 million a month, in other places lower, sometimes MUCH lower. In many smaller localities the minimum salary of 410k or whatever it is now probably IS the average.
While I have no hard evidence, I believe that Bogota is not much higher than the country as a whole. Yes, there are more jobs in BOG. But those jobs are distributed among 7.5 million people.
Cartagena is more expensive than BOG. If the average salary was 1.2 million in BOG, even the lazy Costenos would find a way to get to BOG. I would guess that the average in CTG is around 500K. Average, of course, doesn't tell the story. Over 75% of the people in CTG live in estrata 1. That 75% doesn't come close to 500K. And the minimum wage law is enforced about as well as the traffic laws. A girlfriend of mine worked at an ice cream stand, full time, for 100K per month. And she got no tips.
Bango Cheito
07-11-07, 05:15
That goes to what I was saying about tourism on another forum exactly with you. Cartagena is a tourist city and look how fucked up its economy is. Lots of tourism RUINS a city for the locals.
No, Bogota is definitely NOT like that. Some people make below the minimum but it's not that common anymore. And only 10% of the population lives in estrato 1. The majority live in 2 and 3. And that's why there are 7.5 million people there .... the whole rest of the country flocks there. There are more paisas there anywhere else aside from Medellin and more costeños there than in any one city on the coast!!
I think the average is somewhere between 1 and 1.2 million. Most shit jobs that aren't skilled pay between the minimum and 600k or so, up from that are a whole slew of the first tier of skilled jobs paying 1-1.2 million, then you have the professional classes who generally earn between 2-3 million. I'm not sure what the precise median salary would be (mean salary would be a meaningless measure) but it's definitely nowhere near 500k, gotta be somewhere slightly over a million.
Chicochulo
07-12-07, 06:52
Has anyone ventured into the north Santander region - to the city of Cucuta? I'm curious about this border town. Are there any contemporary threads dealing with the difficulty of getting there and more importantly, getting out alive.
CC
[QUOTE=Chicochulo]Has anyone ventured into the north Santander region - to the city of Cucuta? I'm curious about this border town. Are there any contemporary threads dealing with the difficulty of getting there and more importantly, getting out alive.
CC[/QUOT
Was there about over a year ago to visit the hometown of a Colombiana I met in Cartagena. It is extremely hot, boring, and for whatever reason, felt unsafe. I cut my trip short by a few days, and got the hell out of there. Have fun:)
hi all, a colombian working girl in st maarten told me she was worried because her flight home has been cancelled. the girls normally fly st maarten to curacao on dae, then aeropostal through caracas to bogota or medellin. that is what her ticket is set up for. but aeropostal has cancelled the caracas flights to colombia (and other south american cities outside venezuela).
I called aeropostal office in miami for her and found that they are trying to rebook their customers on other airlines. i even have the name and extension of the lady in charge of the project.
what I could use is some information on what other airlines would be available for the curacao to colombia segment. I know about avianca, because some of the girls fly home on it. are there any other airlines?
thanks, zing
Hoof Hunter
07-14-07, 20:48
hi all, a colombian working girl in st maarten told me she was worried because her flight home has been cancelled. the girls normally fly st maarten to curacao on dae, then aeropostal through caracas to bogota or medellin. that is what her ticket is set up for. but aeropostal has cancelled the caracas flights to colombia (and other south american cities outside venezuela).
I called aeropostal office in miami for her and found that they are trying to rebook their customers on other airlines. i even have the name and extension of the lady in charge of the project.
what I could use is some information on what other airlines would be available for the curacao to colombia segment. I know about avianca, because some of the girls fly home on it. are there any other airlines?
thanks, zing
Try Aires (www.aires.aero).
hi all, a colombian working girl in st maarten told me she was worried because her flight home has been cancelled. the girls normally fly st maarten to curacao on dae, then aeropostal through caracas to bogota or medellin. that is what her ticket is set up for. but aeropostal has cancelled the caracas flights to colombia (and other south american cities outside venezuela).
I called aeropostal office in miami for her and found that they are trying to rebook their customers on other airlines. i even have the name and extension of the lady in charge of the project.
what I could use is some information on what other airlines would be available for the curacao to colombia segment. I know about avianca, because some of the girls fly home on it. are there any other airlines?
thanks, zing
Hey Amigo ... just looked into SABRE.
Looks like Avianca at certain dates has direct flights from CUR to BOG.
Also, as you stated Avianca flies everyday from CCS to BOG, Lan Peru does the same.
From CUR to CCS, try Dutch Antilles Express.
Any more questions about flights, give me a PM ... I can check SABRE system.
Take care.
This has been repeated a few times but Im curious on the updates. Im curious what is the difference between Bogota and Cali as far as people and value goes.
From what Ive browsed, it seems that people in Bogota are not as open and warm as say the people in Cali. Still friendly, but alot more reserved.
Ive talked with a few Colombians recently that live in the states and say that Bogota is more expensive than Cali. Im wondering if that is because maybe they stayed in the Centro or maybe towards the South, and the taxi costs were higher for getting to the key areas of Bogota that are all in the North. Maybe if they stayed in the North where everything was closer it would have been cheaper.
I want to semi retire in Colombia. I was thinking of Cali before but I want a place that is a bit safer and has 'more things to do' and I think Bogota is the place. I love Cali for its people and beautiful girls but as far as safety goes in the long term, I dont think Cali is the best choice.
Im guessing as far as girls goes, since Bogota has a higher population and being the epicenter of business of Colombia, you will probably find more attractive girls than say in Cali or Medellin. Cali 'may' beat Bogota percentage wise, but higher population means more beautiful women.
Hmm.
i talked to aeropostal in miami with a stranded colombiana today. they offered a full refund, in 3 months! she needs to buy another ticket from another airline with her own money. since aeropostal was the cheapest, the new ticket will cost more.
curacao to medellin on avianca is about $360. dae flies curacao to bogota for $150 twice a week, but you still need to get to medellin. aires flies from curacao to cartagena and baranguilla. then you have to get home to medellin from there.
i imagine that most chicas going to work in curacao and st maarten will now go on avianca. if so the extra cost may cut down on the # of working girls on those islands.
thanks for everyone's help.
see you in colombia someday, i hope.
-zing
GregLondon
07-20-07, 14:32
Hi I'm a 43 year old English guy scheduled to come to Colombia for the first time on 31 July. Plan to stay for about 6 weeks and hoping to meet plenty of great chicas during that time.
My Spanish is very poor so I'm particularly interested in finding English speaking girls. In some other countries such as China, dating sites (in that case Asiafriendfinder) have worked well for me in finding fun girls who spoke English many of whom I was able to seduce.
Is it worth joining a similar site for Colombia (eg Amigos/Colombian cupid), or does one find that the time effort and money put into such research is wasted and alone needs to do is hang out in the piazas etc (I think my biggest difficulty would be lack of Spanish).
If worthwhile which sites are recommended?
My current plan is to spend a few days in Bogata then go to Medellin and end up in Cartegena. Which other places would be worth adding to the itinerary?
Anybody got any good suggestions as to places to stay in Bogata / Medellin? i usually select budget-mid hotels, comfortable, safe location, girl friendly but not paying extra for folded toilet paper etc.
Many thanks for any help/advice
Greg
Hi I'm a 43 year old English guy scheduled to come to Colombia for the first time on 31 July. Plan to stay for about 6 weeks and hoping to meet plenty of great chicas during that time.I have been on colombian cupid for over a month now and I have about 100 girls on my msn ust from Medellin where I'm igoing the 5 agust for 2 weeks. There is about 20% that speak english on cc. My spanish is wery porr but I use babel fish to translate and it works ok. I have anoyher problem about the my European computer charger and phone sharger is it fitts in the Colombian power plugs pleas if some one know smr thing about this?
Escort King
07-27-07, 01:09
I have been on Colombian Cupid for over a month now and I have about 100 girls on my msn ust from Medellin where I'm igoing the 5 agust for 2 weeks. There is about 20% that speak english on cc. My spanish is wery porr but I use babel fish to translate and it works ok. I have anoyher problem about the my European computer charger and phone sharger is it fitts in the Colombian power plugs pleas if some one know smr thing about this?There are plug adapters available everywhere. Get them before you go. Most have all major adapters. Colombia uses same as the US from memory.
Making my 2nd journey back to CO starting Aug 30 into Medellin. Love MDE, but feeling the pull for CTG, I also booked a place via Juan Ventura starting Sept 5.
My question is this: liking to keep my options open as possible, how late can I wait to book an intra-country flight 'tween MDE and CTG? Can I wait till I get there or book ahead via Avianca, Aero Republica, Copa, etc? Last year in June I booked my return flight while I was there, but not sure about airline busy-ness in Sept.
Making my 2nd journey back to CO starting Aug 30 into Medellin. Love MDE, but feeling the pull for CTG, I also booked a place via Juan Ventura starting Sept 5.
My question is this: liking to keep my options open as possible, how late can I wait to book an intra-country flight 'tween MDE and CTG? Can I wait till I get there or book ahead via Avianca, Aero Republica, Copa, etc? Last year in June I booked my return flight while I was there, but not sure about airline busy-ness in Sept.
Between MDE and CTG, I fly ADA out of Olaya Airport in the city of MDE. The flight lands in Monteria long enough to discharge and board passengers. I have purchased tickets the day before I left. Olaya is 5 minutes from my apt. in Conquistadores. And there are no rock slides.
Sept. should not be very busy.
GregLondon
08-03-07, 05:22
I have been on colombian cupid for over a month now and I have about 100 girls on my msn ust from Medellin where I'm igoing the 5 agust for 2 weeks. There is about 20% that speak english on cc. My spanish is wery porr but I use babel fish to translate and it works ok. I have anoyher problem about the my European computer charger and phone sharger is it fitts in the Colombian power plugs pleas if some one know smr thing about this?I am currently a free member of Colombian Cupid. My impression is that most of the women there are in the 30-50 age range. I was aiming for the 20 somthings. Did you get much response from this age group (I'm 43)
GregLondon
08-04-07, 04:52
HAs anyone used Passion.com in Colombia? Its rerelatively expensive for such sites and I think in westewrn countries is pretty hopeless for an average guy due to the large numbers of males interested in sghort ternm encounters. There seems to be plenty of cute Colombian girls on the site . I'm presuming that most of them are pros? Do they typicaly respond to messages? Does one end up paying over the odds?
I also looked at Amigos.com which has tons of Colombian girls but the vast majority seemed just Spanish speaking. Has any English only speaker had luck with this site?
I am currently a free member of Colombian Cupid. My impression is that most of the women there are in the 30-50 age range. I was aiming for the 20 somthings. Did you get much response from this age group (I'm 43)I get many answer from 20 to 30 I'm suprised that there are a lot off 18 yers old that type to me im 34 so it a bit strange.
Does it look like all the posts from Tuesday August 14 in the whole Colombia section are gone?
Does it look like all the posts from Tuesday August 14 in the whole Colombia section are gone?
Yes, Apparently, including my multi-post trip report and the 30 photos I uploaded. Luckily, I have it all in WORD, and can re-post it later today.
Aussie Mate
08-16-07, 00:50
Hey Gents,
Forgive my ignorance, I will be in Medellin the end of the month and have started chatting up several girls on various sites. My Spanish is basic, I keep coming across a common phrase that all the girls use.... "ja ja ja ja ja ja" What the hell does this mean?
I hate to assume but is it the same as ya ya ya ya in English?
Thanks mates,
AM
Hey Gents,
Forgive my ignorance, I will be in Medellin the end of the month and have started chatting up several girls on various sites. My Spanish is basic, I keep coming across a common phrase that all the girls use.... "ja ja ja ja ja ja" What the hell does this mean?
I hate to assume but is it the same as ya ya ya ya in English?
Thanks mates,
AM
That is Spanish for ha ha ha. It is a laugh. Also ji ji ji for he he he. The h in Spanish, as you know, is silent.
I am trying to figure out how to get a Visa, specifically the Temporal Especial Socio so I can start up a small business. I'm a US Citizen -- has anyone else done this? There is an investor visa that requires 100k minimum investment which I do not want to do, but the Temporal Especial visa can be done for 100x the minimum monthly wage (~USD$24k). Any assistance/tips,etc would be appreciated.
This is one site I found that had some information, but my Spanish is not advanced enough to make clear heads from tails out everything here:
http://www.minrelext.gov.co/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_1UN/_th/J_0_CI/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1R9/_s.7_0_A/7_0_1UN
I really want to travel to Colombia for mongering. I am looking for pros; I don't have time or patience to wait out the non pros. I respect those that choose non-pros and take my hat off to them, but that is not what I am looking for.
Having said that, which is the best and easiest city to monger in Bogota, Medelin, Cartegena?
Please let me know. Thank you for your help.
MiamiHeatLuver
08-16-07, 20:11
I really want to travel to Colombia for mongering. I am looking for pros; I don't have time or patience to wait out the non pros. I respect those that choose non-pros and take my hat off to them, but that is not what I am looking for.
Having said that, which is the best and easiest city to monger in Bogota, Medelin, Cartegena?
Please let me know. Thank you for your help.
Simple, either CTG, beach action or LDV at night OR MDE and stay at Club VIP or the MANSION!
Simple, either CTG, beach action or LDV at night OR MDE and stay at Club VIP or the MANSION!Sorry to be really dumb, but CTG=Cartegena, MDE=Medelin. What does LDV mean?
Also, if you had to choose one for the BEST pro action which would you recommend?
Which cities are the Mansion and Club VIP located?
Thanks.
Does it look like all the posts from Tuesday August 14 in the whole Colombia section are gone?
Yes, Apparently, including my multi-post trip report and the 30 photos I uploaded. Luckily, I have it all in WORD, and can re-post it later today.===============================
Greetings Winner71, Trippstadt and everyone,
The Forum's database crashed a couple of days ago due to a hardware failure. We restored it from our daily backup, but unfortunately we lost approximately 14 hours of data.
My apologies to everyone.
Thanks,
Jackson
Simple, either CTG, beach action or LDV at night OR MDE and stay at Club VIP or the MANSION!Sorry to be dumb, but which city has the most and probably hottest pros? Which city is the best for a first timer to Colombia.
I really want to travel to Colombia for mongering. I am looking for pros; I don't have time or patience to wait out the non pros. I respect those that choose non-pros and take my hat off to them, but that is not what I am looking for.
Having said that, which is the best and easiest city to monger in Bogota, Medelin, Cartegena?
Please let me know. Thank you for your help.Any other thoughts on this?
Gringo Loco
08-17-07, 02:21
I don't know if somebody posted this previously. This site has interactive maps of most major cities of the world. Just plug in the country, city and even the barrio or point of interest. Very detailed.
http://world.maporama.com/idl/maporama/
I was checking out Cali, parts of which I know pretty well, and was quite impressed. Similar to google maps. You can pull the map in any direction, zoom in or out. Useful tool to see where a chica lives, and make sure that any others aren't too close for comfort.
I really want to travel to Colombia for mongering. I am looking for pros; I don't have time or patience to wait out the non pros. I respect those that choose non-pros and take my hat off to them, but that is not what I am looking for.
Having said that, which is the best and easiest city to monger in Bogota, Medelin, Cartegena?
Please let me know. Thank you for your help.
Juice, it depends.
What's your budget? Low end? Premium?
What kind of place do you want to monger? Casas, street scene, strip clubs, hooker bars, enclave full of monolingual gringos? Daytime or nighttime?
Are you an experienced traveller? Spanish language knowledge?
In a perfect world I am looking for premium. I usually like any place where I do not have to guess if they are working or not,that i why I like the scene in Costa Rica. I prefer casas with recommendations, hooker bars, etc.
I can get by in Spanish. Do my best and can usually communicate okay. Helpful if the girl can speak a LITTLE English, but hey I am not going to be talking to here that much. :)
I prefer a small go around during the day with the best and most activities at night.
I also like girls that look semi pro although don't let that spoil your recommendations if that is too tough of a criteria.
I also like the girls between 18-30 years old at the most.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks for your help!
Thank you very much for this link. Very helpful.
Willie
I don't know if somebody posted this previously. This site has interactive maps of most major cities of the world. Just plug in the country, city and even the barrio or point of interest. Very detailed.
http://world.maporama.com/idl/maporama/
I was checking out Cali, parts of which I know pretty well, and was quite impressed. Similar to google maps. You can pull the map in any direction, zoom in or out. Useful tool to see where a chica lives, and make sure that any others aren't too close for comfort.
Wow look at the jump in the dolloar against the Colombian peso for the week... an increase in 10%. Geez, today alone it went from 2050 to 2150 pesos to the dollar. You have to love that if you are going to Colombia soon.
In a perfect world I am looking for premium. I usually like any place where I do not have to guess if they are working or not,that i why I like the scene in Costa Rica. I prefer casas with recommendations, hooker bars, etc.
I can get by in Spanish. Do my best and can usually communicate okay. Helpful if the girl can speak a LITTLE English, but hey I am not going to be talking to here that much. :)
I prefer a small go around during the day with the best and most activities at night.
I also like girls that look semi pro although don't let that spoil your recommendations if that is too tough of a criteria.
I also like the girls between 18-30 years old at the most.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks for your help!
Probably Cartagena. LDV and the hooker bars in Centro.
I find LDV a little hardcore these days... but coming from the Del Rey in Costa Rica you would find it OK value.
Wow look at the jump in the dolloar against the Colombian peso for the week... an increase in 10%. Geez, today alone it went from 2050 to 2150 pesos to the dollar. You have to love that if you are going to Colombia soon.Absolutely right. I will be in Medellin tonite. I hope the banks update the atms daily to apply the new rates. This change in value is like a dream. Free coochie.
Cheers
I should be providing updates daily for the next 10 days. Live from Medellin on a mission.
Does anyone care to start a top ten places to go for mongering in each of the cities in Colombia? I have never been there but thought it would be helpful to many people. If you agree, please respond and send your list. It will also be fun to see how each person rankings vary.
Thanks.
Probably Cartagena. LDV and the hooker bars in Centro.
I find LDV a little hardcore these days... but coming from the Del Rey in Costa Rica you would find it OK value.What does LDV stand for?
Probably Cartagena. LDV and the hooker bars in Centro.
I find LDV a little hardcore these days... but coming from the Del Rey in Costa Rica you would find it OK value.Thanks Cachrro!
Does anyone have additional recommendations?
I don't know if somebody posted this previously. This site has interactive maps of most major cities of the world. Just plug in the country, city and even the barrio or point of interest. Very detailed.
http://world.maporama.com/idl/maporama/Thanks! That's a great website, filling in all the gaps left by Google Maps (which hopefully will catch up one day).
LDV is La Dolce Vita, a "disco" in Laguito. Laguito is a barrio in the tourist zone of Cartagena.
Cartagena is the place for first-timers. Read the forum.
Thanks Tom!
Everyone says read the forum, but it is hard to know where to start. I can help anyone that is going to Thailand, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Costa Rica, USA, but I don't know where to START to look for the "new" cities.
I appreciate everyone's advice and patience!
Sandman0011
08-18-07, 17:38
Look for La Perla Casino. It is just to the left of La Perla in the same elevated complex called Perino Gallo.
Here are a few photos to help with recognition.
LDV is La Dolce Vita, a "disco" in Laguito. Laguito is a barrio in the tourist zone of Cartagena.
Cartagena is the place for first-timers. Read the forum.
Look for La Perla Casino. It is just to the left of La Perla in the same elevated complex called Perino Gallo.
Here are a few photos to help with recognition.
One problem, the Hotel Las Velas has been renamed Hotel Dann. I think that all the Las Velas signage has been removed.
Sandman0011
08-19-07, 14:39
Some old habits are hard to drop.
I knew it as LV for so many years I just forgot it had changed names.
Chicochulo
08-20-07, 03:47
I've enjoyed the company of specific latinas for a week or 2 at a time. When those opportunities present themselves, it's hard to make the right decision. The pros and cons of such an arrangement have been covered by others, in this forum and I agree with them all. However, when a gem is sitting on your lap, on day two, the crucial question comes to mind, How I'm I going to make the week work out to my advantge? IMHO, the best plan includes the vanity card. Add a few dollars to the make up budget, getting the nails don't. A trip to the salon is a must. The hot chick you're romancing just gets prettier everyday. She also feels like a princess when you've bending her over the balcony rail. These items cost the same as a good dinner. Send her off on her own at least a few time on her own to do girlie stuff. It is always nice to know that the angel coming to wake me up from my afternoon nap, is in my room to showoff.
MiamiHeatLuver
08-20-07, 03:56
Does anybody know for sure which american cell phone companies are compatable with thier Colombian cell phone counterparts for texting? FOR example:
I used to hava a novia who had MOVISTAR and she could only receive and send text's to my T-MOBILE network but then that stopped.
Now my last Novia has TIGO and she can only send and receive texts through my T-MOBILE now, but no more MOVISTAR neither COMCEL.
Now this present girl im talking to has COMCEL, Does anybody know for a fact which american cell phone company can send and receive to COMCEL?
Kind Regards!
Does anybody know for sure which american cell phone companies are compatable with thier Colombian cell phone counterparts for texting? ....Now this present girl im talking to has COMCEL, Does anybody know for a fact which american cell phone company can send and receive to COMCEL?...
Comcel is actually made up of three separate operating companies. They are all owned by America Movil from Mexico. I was unable to locate any "Comcel" SMS agreements. Does your novia have any idea which company she signed up with i.e. Comcel, Occel or Celcaribe.
This stuff is usually difficult to track and it is probably best to let her blast off some texts as an experiment to people you can trust, hmmmm! (Sorry it's not much help!)
Suerte!
Polvo
By how much do the women outnumber the men down there? I read 5 to 1 but my Peruvian contact says it is more like 5 women for every 3 men, mostly due to Army/police force recruitment and drug cartel related activity/deaths.
Anyone have more data on this?
MiamiHeatLuver
08-20-07, 06:30
By how much do the women outnumber the men down there? I read 5 to 1 but my Peruvian contact says it is more like 5 women for every 3 men, mostly due to Army/police force recruitment and drug cartel related activity/deaths.
Anyone have more data on this?
Why are you cross posting this same question?
MiamiHeatLuver
08-20-07, 06:31
Does anybody know for sure which american cell phone companies are compatable with thier Colombian cell phone counterparts for texting? FOR example:
I used to hava a novia who had MOVISTAR and she could only receive and send text's to my T-MOBILE network but then that stopped.
Now my last Novia has TIGO and she can only send and receive texts through my T-MOBILE now, but no more MOVISTAR neither COMCEL.
Now this present girl im talking to has COMCEL, Does anybody know for a fact which american cell phone company can send and receive to COMCEL?
Kind Regards!
Thanks Polvo, I might go with the GLOBAL TEXT here, they seem to claim to offer COLOMBIA and they have a monthly flat rate!
http://www.metropcs.com/support/texttalk.php?country=Colombia&code=xxxx
Thanks Polvo, I might go with the GLOBAL TEXT here, they seem to claim to offer COLOMBIA and they have a monthly flat rate!
http://www.metropcs.com/support/texttalk.php?country=Colombia&code=xxxx
Hey HEAT ... I'm texting a chica in Cali that has Comcel (311 prefix).
No probs back and forth texting.
I'm using Sprint.
Thanks Polvo, I might go with the GLOBAL TEXT here, they seem to claim to offer COLOMBIA and they have a monthly flat rate!
http://www.metropcs.com/support/texttalk.php?country=Colombia&code=xxxxMetropcs does offer unlimited international text messaging service for $3 a month. But the services coverage area is very limited in the U S. I do not think you could actually send messages while in Colombia with metropcs.
MiamiHeatLuver
08-21-07, 16:13
Metropcs does offer unlimited international text messaging service for $3 a month. But the services coverage area is very limited in the U S. I do not think you could actually send messages while in Colombia with metropcs.
ANYWAY, I appreciate your input WEST, BUT I do not wat to use metro piece of Shit, in COLOMBIA, It barely gets service here in Dade, Imagine working in Colombia! lol. But they have a flat rate to text internationally, so I MIGHT GET IT just to text her.. see the link I posted, they claim to work together with Comcel. SO lets see if its true. If not I will go the all knowing amigo Ricker's route and go with the Sprint. SO that will mean I will have SPRINT, NEXTEL, and T-MOBILE, too too much I think! p.s Does anybody with Nextel know if I can go onto their SPRINT server, since they merged? BUT still use my NEXTEL walkie talkie? REGARDS!
By how much do the women outnumber the men down there? I read 5 to 1 but my Peruvian contact says it is more like 5 women for every 3 men, mostly due to Army/police force recruitment and drug cartel related activity/deaths.
Anyone have more data on this?
For those of you looking at demographic stats... that isn't quite the right way to look at it.
It is better to count the number of men in a five-year block (say, those aged 25-29 years), count the women in that block *and* the next block younger (i.e., those aged 20-24 and 25-29), find the average of the two blocks of women, and *then* look at the number of women per men.
In Britain, for example, in 2005 there were 1,911,722 20-24 year old women, 1,838,160 25-29 year old women, averaged to 1,874,941, versus 1,926,647 25-29 year old men. In other words, 102.8 men per 100 women!
In Colombia, it is 1,837,803 20-24 women, 1,702,081 25-29 women, and 1,665,335 25-29 men, giving a ratio of 94.1 men per 100 women!
How about Mexico? The same calculations give 92.8 men per 100 women! Russia? 95.6.
For men age 35-39, the ratio is 110.7 men per 100 in Britain, compared with 95.8 in Colombia, 85.8 in Mexico, and 95.9 in Russia. For these somewhat older men, Mexico is even better, Britain is even worse, whereas Colombia and Russia are about the same but still good.
Now why would this be relevant? Because, my friends, men most often marry women a couple of years younger than themselves. Also, a large fraction of the men and women will be married. So, if we assume that half the 25-29 year old men in Mexico are married about evenly to 20-24 year old women and 25-29 year old women, then the ratio for the remaining single men will be 85.6 men per 100 women! Meanwhile in Britain, it would be 105.6 men per 100 women!
Of course, what this means is that women in Britain have a more take-it-or-leave-it bitchy attitude since they don't lack for possible boyfriends. In Colombia and Mexico, however, such attitudes will be a quick ticket to spinsterhood for a woman.
(The reason I didn't use the United States is because its data are skewed in several different directions, due to illegal immigration, and the black and Asian populations which have more women than men. However, the white American and British populations are very similar in this regard.)
I got my data from here: h t t p://w w w.census.gov/ipc/w w w/idb
For those of you looking at demographic stats... Good stats Monger#77. So if we were to introduce the variables of foreign citizenship, "economic stability," and Spanish-fluency Colombia should appear to be a pussy goldmine?
Cabroncito
08-22-07, 20:35
Any idea how I can set up my comcel phone so the chicas can't read my phone number when they receive my incoming call.
Damn pro's always calling and texting at the worse moment possible. May have to get a separate sim for putas only !
Any idea how I can set up my comcel phone so the chicas can't read my phone number when they receive my incoming call.
Damn pro's always calling and texting at the worse moment possible. May have to get a separate sim for putas only !I do have the same problem, last time i was In Cali i try to put my Ola Phone in block the id, but the sistem don't let me.
Any one can help?
Wil be appreciated.
Kukulkan
Any idea how I can set up my comcel phone so the chicas can't read my phone number when they receive my incoming call.
Try dialing *67 before the number, see if it works.
MiamiHeatLuver
08-23-07, 00:15
Any idea how I can set up my comcel phone so the chicas can't read my phone number when they receive my incoming call.
Damn pro's always calling and texting at the worse moment possible. May have to get a separate sim for putas only !
I have 2 cells, one strictly for mongering and putas and the other for the novia and friends and family, I know its a pain but at this moment I dont have any other solution! lol When im with the novia, the mongering phone gets turned off, obviously. There is no worse feeling when your with the novia and the cell phone rings and you dont/cant pick it up. and she asks "quien fue" and your like "Nadie". That is thee most ultimate sign of Des Confianza in a Colombian girls eyes, next to her catching you in bed with another girl. In a matter of fact the two almost parallel each other.
I have 2 cells, one stricly for mongering and putas and the other for the novia and friends and family, I know its a pain but at his moment I dont have any other solution! lol When im with the novia, the mongering phone gets turned off, obviously. There is no worse feeling when your with the novia and the cell phone rings and you dont/cant pick it up. and she ask "quien fue" and your like "Nadie". That is thee most ultimate sign of Des Confianza in a Colombian girls eyes, next to her catching you in bed with another girl. In a matter of fact the two almost parallel each other.Haha, I've come to the conclusion that's how the name "prepago" came into existence. Dudes had a prepago cell for putas and kept their regular phone for friends and family. Kind of funny considering "call girl" and pregago are essentially the same except you gotta buy minutos for colombian chicas.
Cabroncito
08-23-07, 06:01
I have 2 cells, one stricly for mongering and putas and the other for the novia and friends and family, I know its a pain but at his moment I dont have any other solution! lol When im with the novia, the mongering phone gets turned off, obviously. There is no worse feeling when your with the novia and the cell phone rings and you dont/cant pick it up. and she ask "quien fue" and your like "Nadie". That is thee most ultimate sign of Des Confianza in a Colombian girls eyes, next to her catching you in bed with another girl. In a matter of fact the two almost parallel each other.
Well said MHEAT. I already have two phones, so I will bite the bullet and pick up another sim.
One pro called no less than 32 times !! in one day as I had the ringer off, with a non pro. Of course the girl I was with figured this out when I left the phone on the dinner table and went to the bathroom at lleras. I will say though, in my case I don't have a novia so I find I get better results when the new talent realizes there is other chocha on the menu if they do not deliver the goods. Lets face it most women are pretty competitive under these circumstances. You just cant be too over the top or they get the notion you are beyond rehabilitation..
In reality though, the chicas are no better.. I can not count the number of girls I've seen with two or three phones in their purse. Nothing like knocking one out in a hot nasty 18 yo while she reassures the novio on the phone that she is with friends at the plaza and he needs to behave himself when he goes out without her tonight. Of course he's happy too because he knows he will be doing the same thing in a few hours.
So I agree everyone is jealous, but heck everyone is getting laid.
....One pro called no less than 32 times !! in one day as I had the ringer off, with a non pro. Of course the girl I was with figured this out when I left the phone on the dinner table and went to the bathroom at lleras..This is why they invented the "softlock" on the phone. Activate the security feature so that you have to put in a code to use the phone - or look at "call history". It can be a pain but reduces those embarassing moments when someone else starts fiddling with your phone!!
Suerte!
Polvo
Any idea how I can set up my comcel phone so the chicas can't read my phone number when they receive my incoming call.
Damn pro's always calling and texting at the worse moment possible. May have to get a separate sim for putas only !
No way to do this.
You can work around it if you buy minutes / phone calls on the street. Or be lazy and call from your phone but tell her, "this is not my number, it's a tienda de llamadas".
MiamiHeatLuver
08-27-07, 16:02
SO WHOM DO I MAKE MY CHECK OUT TOO?
ENGLISH
PLS REPLY VERY IMPORATNT ME DIRECT ON THIS EMAIL
Dearest one,
My name is Elizabeth D.Tinambacan,The wife of Rev. Jemias Tinambacan who was the Deputy Secretary General of Bayan Muna party-list group in Southern Tagalog.who is recently
attack and killed in philippine on the 27 may 2006.
Before my late husband was killed,Iinherited sum total of ($14,000.000 USD. Fourteen Million USDollars) from some cocoa business import we made with my late husband, this
money which i put in a metallic trunk box and deposited it in a security and finance company in abroad. This deposit was coded under a secret arrangement as a family treasure.
This means that the security company does not know the content of this trunk box. Since the death of my late husband,the philippine .I am contacting you because I want you to help me in securing the money in the vault by helping me in rectrict the box from the security company for the future of our children.since my late husband family made it impossible for me to move out of the house and they are monitoring my room phone call through the house extentions.I hope to
trust you as who will not sit on this money when you claim it.i made up my mind to give you 15% of the total money for
your help ,after you have secured the box for my kids
future. Hopping to hear from you. on
Elizabeth D. Tinambacan.
SO WHOM DO I MAKE MY CHECK OUT TOO?
What's your point? I get 50 of these every week in my different email accounts, via PM's on boards, etc. Should I post them too?
MiamiHeatLuver
08-27-07, 17:48
What's your point? I get 50 of these every week in my different email accounts, via PM's on boards, etc. Should I post them too?
Its my first one, but ive always heard about them, and through cybercupido, no less..
(Started out from the Photo thread because of posted photos of Andrea Rincon) While we are on this subject . . . anyone here knows if the chicas featured on these sites are from Colombia, the D.R., Panama or Costa Rica? http://www.lazonamodelos.com/
http://www.mariahspice.com
http://www.selenaspice.com
http://www.karlaspice.com
actually my favorite is http://www.bellaspice.com
It's a good way to pass the time in between trips to Medellin, Rio & San Jose! I wouldn't mind f*cking any of them, for the right, reasonable price.
My two centavos.
La Zona Modelos is out of Cali, Colombia. I'm not going to say you couldn't, but I don't think you will be fucking any of them. Maybe if you just accidently ran into one of them in passing and chatted them up. But as far as calling and asking for them or stopping by... it won't get you anywhere.
(Started out from the Photo thread because of posted photos of Andrea Rincon) While we are on this subject . . . anyone here knows if the chicas featured on these sites are from Colombia, the D.R., Panama or Costa Rica? http://www.lazonamodelos.com/
http://www.mariahspice.com
http://www.selenaspice.com
http://www.karlaspice.com
actually my favorite is http://www.bellaspice.com
It's a good way to pass the time in between trips to Medellin, Rio & San Jose! I wouldn't mind f*cking any of them, for the right, reasonable price.
My two centavos.
Regulr Travlr
08-27-07, 19:41
[QUOTE=Almotu](Started out from the Photo thread because of posted photos of Andrea Rincon) While we are on this subject . . . anyone here knows if the chicas featured on these sites are from Colombia, the D.R., Panama or Costa Rica? http://www.lazonamodelos.com/
http://www.mariahspice.com
http://www.selenaspice.com
http://www.karlaspice.com
actually my favorite is http://www.bellaspice.com
QUOTE]
Wow! All those girls with the same last name. They don't even look like sisters!
AddictedToWomen
08-28-07, 12:40
Well said MHEAT. I already have two phones, so I will bite the bullet and pick up another sim.
Anyone tried this recently? I've had problems moving SIMs between phones in the past.
Anyone tried this recently? I've had problems moving SIMs between phones in the past.ATW: I do this all the time, no problems. The only issue you will have is that if you change SIMs between phones you will lose call history. Not always a bad thing!! :-)
Suerte!
Polvo
Regulr Travlr
08-28-07, 14:01
ATW: I do this all the time, no problems. The only issue you will have is that if you change SIMs between phones you will lose call history. Not always a bad thing!! :-)
Suerte!
Polvo
Losing the call history is a good thing. However, remember that text history is stored on the phone. I use my puta phone in both Panama and Colombia on my trips. So I have texts in both. The chicas always want to borrow my phone when I am with them, because they are out of minutes. (surprise). I have been confronted several times about text messages I have sent or received.
Everyone traveling to Colombia should be aware of the dangers of Scopolamine / Burundanga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine
The below video offers several first hand accounts of people who have been drugged, who do the drugging, etc.
http://www.vbs.tv/player.php?bctid=1119242704&bccl=MTExOTE3NDYwNF9fTkVXUw==
Wow! All those girls with the same last name. They don't even look like sisters!
Remember the pornstars Ginger Lynn, Amber Lynn and Porsche Lynn? Or aren't you that old?
Wanderer1000
08-29-07, 00:28
Bonhead,
Thanks for the documentary link. I've heard about this stuff many times, as I'm sure others have. This is scary stuff. I don't know how you'd really guard yourself from this type of attack if somebody really wants to target you - maybe make sure you go out with several friends when you hit a club? But when you're on your own -- I feel more vulnerable now.
The upside is, I haven't met or read about anybody being victimized by this stuff. Maybe it's like kidnappings and other crimes - if you take reasonable precautions, you most likely will never be a victim of this drug.
La Zona Modelos is out of Cali, Colombia.
So they get girls from all over south america?
I have to arrange with my colombian girlfriend a lot of documents for our marriage.
This is how it can go: Met her first time nearly 1 year ago and now we speak about to marry.
I am in the same situation as you. I met my girlfriend last year and she just proposed to me last month during the Flower Festival in Medellin. What are the required documents for a civil marriage between a foreigner and a Colombian national? I guess a birth certificate is one document, but what are the others.
AddictedToWomen
08-29-07, 10:48
I am in the same situation as you. I met my girlfriend last year and she just proposed to me last month during the Flower Festival in Medellin. What are the required documents for a civil marriage between a foreigner and a Colombian national? I guess a birth certificate is one document, but what are the others.
What's your visa for Colombia? You can't get married on a tourist visa, you need a special one. There used to be some rule about minimum in-country time too, but that seems to be widely ignored.
Member #3437
08-29-07, 21:56
holy shit. my girl has been telling me the stories..but they are interlaced with bullcrap like the missing organs so i kind of dismissed them. many countries have girls that use date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs, but this scopolamine is seriously bad stuff.
thanks. everyone should take the time to watch that excellent video. it is an eye opener..especially the part where the putana talks about all the people she has drugged with it, and of course the guy who retaliated and killed the prostitutes who drugged him and killed his friend.
thanks for the vid link.
everyone traveling to colombia should be aware of the dangers of scopolamine / burundanga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/scopolamine
the below video offers several first hand accounts of people who have been drugged, who do the drugging, etc.
http://www.vbs.tv/player.php?bctid=1119242704&bccl=mtexote3ndywnf9ftkvxuw==
Oliver 0205
08-29-07, 23:04
I am in the same situation as you. I met my girlfriend last year and she just proposed to me last month during the Flower Festival in Medellin. What are the required documents for a civil marriage between a foreigner and a Colombian national? I guess a birth certificate is one document, but what are the others.Hi,
To marry her in Colombia I need to bring a certificate from Germany which is called "Ehefähigkeitszeugnis" This confirms that I am old enough, that I am currently Single and these things. The problem is, for this certificate I need to show here in Germany first a birth certificate, a registration card and a declaration from her that she is currently not married. The birth certificate needs to be with an Apostille and the declaration she has to made at a notary. The Apostille you only can get at the Ministry of foreign Affairs in Bogota. Of course it has to be translated then in to german. For my visit there from Saturday on we will try to get all these things. I take them back with me to Germany, will arrange my documents and then again to Colombia to marry her. Then she has to go with the certificate of marriage (also translated to german) to the german embassy to get a Visa. You see, all very easy.
Oliver
you watched the video, right? there was a part in the video where it said some people wake up in the bathtub with an organ missing with a note on top of them saying they have 5 hours to get to a hospital or to get to a hospital as they will die in 5 hours. holy shit, could you imagine waking up in a bathtub all cut up missing a kidney with a note there on top of you saying get your ass to the hospital and having no clue what happened.
the sad part is, this is the scary part of colombia. this drug does exist and it's not like it's uncommon. i read, here i think, that one can compare the chances of getting drugged about as great as one getting sequestered (kidnapped). i think that is false. your chances of getting drugged are much greater than your chances of getting kidnapped.
there are many reasons why this is true... and i would say that regarding the folks on this board... it is especially much more likely to get drugged than to get kidnapped... actually they could both happen at the same time, probably just drugged though.
holy shit. my girl has been telling me the stories..but they are interlaced with bullcrap like the missing organs so i kind of dismissed them. many countries have girls that use date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drugs, but this scopolamine is seriously bad stuff.
thanks. everyone should take the time to watch that excellent video. it is an eye opener..especially the part where the putana talks about all the people she has drugged with it, and of course the guy who retaliated and killed the prostitutes who drugged him and killed his friend.
thanks for the vid link.
Oliver 0205
08-30-07, 05:43
You watched the video, right? There was a part in the video where it said some people wake up in the bathtub with an organ missing with a note on top of them saying they have 5 hours to get to a hospital or to get to a hospital as they will die in 5 hours. Holy shit, could you imagine waking up in a bathtub all cut up missing a kidney with a note there on top of you saying get your ass to the hospital and having no clue what happened.It might be that maybe once something like this happened, but I wouldnt overestimate these "Infos". We had the same in Europe in the late 70's in the Netherlands. There have been also news about tourists visiting one of the famous coffee shops and after that waking up on a small street with a kidney missing. These stories are part of the urban legends can be found in the Internet like the Bonsai kitten.
Why should people do this in Colombia? Don't they have a much more easy and well organized way in making money by trading cocaine or this Scopolamine / Burundanga itself? Even if there are things like this going on, why should they do it with foreigners or tourists? Wouldn't it be easier to kidnap local people from the poor areas? It happens often enough that the just disappear because they just leave their families or are going to the big cities to make money.
With foreigners they take the risk that they are there with friends or family. That the things happened become public worldwide and that again gives a bad touch to Colombia.
Sailor2006
08-30-07, 14:16
Ok , can anybody give me and phone number and address of a good Colombian lawyer, possible with good english skills?
Thank you
Can any body give me some information about Isla Palma, near Rosario Island and Cartagena, Please.
Thank's Guy's
Kukulkan
Everyone traveling to Colombia should be aware of the dangers of Scopolamine / Burundanga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine
The below video offers several first hand accounts of people who have been drugged, who do the drugging, etc.
http://www.vbs.tv/player.php?bctid=1119242704&bccl=MTExOTE3NDYwNF9fTkVXUw==
I have a buddy who was drugged several years ago.
In Bogota.
Kept him drugged for several days to drain his atm account until some sort of credit card security kicked in to suspend his account.
He woke up he said, in a raunchy room of some sort, in the middle of nowhere. A couple days later.
He won't return to Colombia.
Be careful.
If I ever go anywhere that I must order a drink in order to stay, I guess I simply will order but not drink it. And the old rule not to walk away from your drink is key here, cause thats the main way the black hooker said she drugs people.
Then there is the mysterious "swipe" she uses to drug people. I guess I will just watch out for African prostitutas.
Mr Enternational
08-31-07, 05:17
There was a part in the video where it said some people wake up in the bathtub with an organ missing with a note on top of them saying they have 5 hours to get to a hospital or to get to a hospital as they will die in 5 hours. Holy shit, could you imagine waking up in a bathtub all cut up missing a kidney with a note there on top of you saying get your ass to the hospital and having no clue what happened.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/robbery/kidney.asp
Everyone traveling to Colombia should be aware of the dangers of Scopolamine / Burundanga.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine
The below video offers several first hand accounts of people who have been drugged, who do the drugging, etc.
http://www.vbs.tv/player.php?bctid=1119242704&bccl=MTExOTE3NDYwNF9fTkVXUw==I would take that piece with an entire shaker of salt. Much of the fundamental information they dictate as fact is embellishment on two short news articles; a Reuters article supposedly published in 2003, and a Wall Street Journal article supposedly published in 1995. If you do a little searching you can find them on other sites, but there isn't any way to know if they are authentic without contacting those claimed publishers. For those of you who have Bogota contacts, it would be interesting to know if the supposed officials and experts they interviewed (the cop, the doctor, etc) are really the people holding those positions.
Personally, I have a bit of a hard time believing that Colombians are going to spill the beans, on camera no less, to a couple of douchey looking, Gap dressing, art school gringo fags about things that could result in serious punishment. The whole thing makes me feel like I'm watching Blair Witch again.
Drugging people into unconsciousness is reality and is nothing new. Turning people into perfectly normal looking and functioning but otherwise zombie-esque creatures is something different all together. There is no sense in not being careful, but without some credible backing, I wouldn't let this ruin my vacation.
Most importantly, however, does anyone recognize and have contact information for the girl in their second segment in the restaurant who talks about her uncle dying? She is gorgeous. I must purchase her for an extended engagement.
She will be mine. Oh yes, she will be mine.
Greetings everyone,
In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Npaul1 his own thread titled "Npaul1 in Colombia".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2673
Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.
I also cleaned up this thread by deleting several reports that were generally argumentative in nature. This cleanup process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently deleted a few otherwise legitimate posts. If you find that your own report was also deleted, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson
How is the pollution in medellin? Does it remind you of cities like chicago and new york? I have trouble breathing in these cities. Thanks!
How is the pollution in medellin? Does it remind you of cities like chicago and new york? I have trouble breathing in these cities. Thanks!
It is not good. There are 3.3 million people in the metro area between 2 mountain ranges. The air tends to be trapped in the valley. There are good anti-pollution laws. However, those laws are not enforced.
You will have problems in Medellin.
Cartagena has a constant breeze off the Caribbean. The air there is good and the allergens are very low.
Member #3437
09-02-07, 14:32
It is not good. There are 3.3 million people in the metro area between 2 mountain ranges. The air tends to be trapped in the valley. There are good anti-pollution laws. However, those laws are not enforced.
You will have problems in Medellin.
Cartagena has a constant breeze off the Caribbean. The air there is good and the allergens are very low.
Like Tom said. think Bogota but smaller, or think any large south american city that sits in a valley.
Member #3437
09-02-07, 14:55
I would take that piece with an entire shaker of salt. Much of the fundamental information they dictate as fact is embellishment on two short news articles; a Reuters article supposedly published in 2003, and a Wall Street Journal article supposedly published in 1995. If you do a little searching you can find them on other sites, but there isn't any way to know if they are authentic without contacting those claimed publishers. For those of you who have Bogota contacts, it would be interesting to know if the supposed officials and experts they interviewed (the cop, the doctor, etc) are really the people holding those positions.
Personally, I have a bit of a hard time believing that Colombians are going to spill the beans, on camera no less, to a couple of douchey looking, Gap dressing, art school gringo fags about things that could result in serious punishment. The whole thing makes me feel like I'm watching Blair Witch again.
Drugging people into unconsciousness is reality and is nothing new. Turning people into perfectly normal looking and functioning but otherwise zombie-esque creatures is something different all together. There is no sense in not being careful, but without some credible backing, I wouldn't let this ruin my vacation.
.
Well, those douchbagging american kids travel all over doing these videos and they are quite good. As a matter of fact, I saw one of them on TV last sunday where they were in the sewer city, in bogota, talking to the 'sewer kids' and interviewing the police captain of Bogota. the video production is really quite good, and the stories they do are compelling. They have done really really good stories. Of particular interest is a story you can find on their home page of Cartageneros fucking donkeys...or perhaps the story they did on Manilla's garbage dump and the 10,000 men,women and children who live in it and survive by collecting items from the garbage trucks that arrive every day. Here is the home page....
http://www.vbs.tv/
search out the vice guide to travel for stories of particular interest to us mongers.
A step further, I have heard these stories for sure from Colombians for years. I told my lady about it (she is native colombian) by saying, " I just watched a video on that drug from colombia you told me about". Her reaction was "Scopoline?" and I said yes, then we watched the movie together. Her accessment of the vid was quite different from yours as she thought it was very good. As for the Colombian schitzo drug dealer, he reminds me of loony acid heads back in the States when I was younger.
No, I have a different reaction to the video than you did. I think it was great production. I do think the problem isn't as widespread as they say, and the carefull monger really just needs to be sure he watches his drink carefully.
In January I did meet an american guy in Peru that this happened to. He is on an extended travel and had been in Peru for about a year. He took a bus from Northern Peru to Lima and was talking to a nice looking woman in the early 30s on the bus and they hit it off (I know, too old for me also). Anyway, they stopped over at a hotel in a town, got a hotel and he went to take a shower, and the next thing he knew he was waking up in the bed and all his money and expensive camera's were missing and he couldn't remember anything after he went to take the shower. This is a well known story around the Lima mongers because he stayed in Lima for quite a long time and told the story.
So, I don't think, like you said, that anyone should be overly concerned about this..just cautious like we are about all the circumstances that can get you caught up in shit while you are traveling.
How to swear, insult, cuss and curse in Colombian Spanish!
Colombian Spanish Language Swearing & English Translation.
Colombian Spanish-------------------English Translation
Tu puta madre me la chupa----------Your ***** mother sucks my prick
Tetra Hijueputa----------------------Huge son-of-a-*****
Hijueputa ---------------------------Son-of-a-*****
Pichar------------------------------To fuck
Tirar--------------------------------To fuck
Cacorro-----------------------------Faggot
Grilla--------------------------------***** (lit. female cricket)
Zunga------------------------------*****
Fufa / fufurufa----------------------*****
Comerse a ___----------------------To be fucked by ___
Hijuepuerca-------------------------Son of a *****
Hijuemadre-------------------------Son of a ***** (tamer version of Hijueputa)
¡Su mamá!------------------------- Your mother! (when replying to an insult)
¡La suya! ---------------------------Yours! (when replying to the above)
Cuca-------------------------------****
Chocha-----------------------------****
Chimbo-----------------------------Prick (lit. coarse, crude)
Chimba-----------------------------**** (lit. female "chimbo")
Chito-------------------------------Prick (lit. the name of a snack)
Pipí---------------------------------Prick
Mondá------------------------------Prick
Jalarse la tripa----------------------To wank
Dar por el culo----------------------Give on the ass
Triplejueputa------------------------Triple son of a *****
Venirse-----------------------------To cum
Remalparido/a-----------------------Big bastard (very strong)
So-hijueputa------------------------Big son of a *****
Güeva------------------------------Testicle, ball
Güevón-----------------------------Idiot (lit. big testicle)
Se le moja la canoa----------------- Faggot (lit. his rowboat gets wet)
Arepera-----------------------------Lesbian
Chúpeme la mondá ------------------Suck my dick
Chúpeme la verga--------------------Suck my dick
Chúpeme la picha--------------------Suck my dick
Echemos un polvo--------------------Let's fuck
Comer------------------------------To have sex (lit. to eat)
Mongólico/a-------------------------Retarded (lit. Mongoloid) (it comes in male and female variant)
Mal Parido---------------------------Born bad (Strong insult)
Marica-------------------------------Fag
No Joda-----------------------------Get lost!
Métase el dedo por el culo------------Stick your finger up your ass
Pajearse-----------------------------To wank
Culear-------------------------------To fuck on the ass
Pichar-------------------------------To fuck
Jalarse la pita------------------------To wank (lit. to pull the string)
Apuñalar al mico---------------------To wank (lit. to stab the monkey)
Echarse dedo------------------------To finger
Arrecho-----------------------------Turned on (masc.)
Arrecha-----------------------------Turned on (fem.)
Verga-------------------------------Dick
Tetas-------------------------------Tits
Puta--------------------------------*****
Calambre llanero---------------------Have an erection (cramps from the plains)
Izando bandera----------------------Have an erection (raise the flag)
Hacerse la paja----------------------To masturbate (to make straw)
Puneta------------------------------Jerk-off
Chochal-----------------------------*****house
Gonorrea----------------------------Gonorrhea
Jopo--------------------------------Ass
Pinga-------------------------------Dick
Puteadero--------------------------*****house
Se le moja la canoa-----------------Faggot (lit. his canoe makes water)
Teta-------------------------------Tit
Hijo de puta------------------------Son of a *****
Cual es la chimbada pues?-----------What's your problem?
Pirovo------------------------------Dumb
Chnichurria-------------------------Dumb
Gorzovia---------------------------Dumb
Catrechimba------------------------Pussy
Despegala pues!--------------------Fuck off!
Colla-------------------------------****, *****
Bollo de mierda---------------------Turd
Cara de verga----------------------Dickface
Churrias----------------------------Diarrhea
It is not good. There are 3.3 million people in the metro area between 2 mountain ranges. The air tends to be trapped in the valley. There are good anti-pollution laws. However, those laws are not enforced.
You will have problems in Medellin.
Cartagena has a constant breeze off the Caribbean. The air there is good and the allergens are very low.
Wow thanks you guys made a hard decision pretty easy. This board is so much more then mongering...
I still owe you a report from my trip to Colombia earlier this year. Had always been too busy to write it down, finally I found the time!
It was my first trip to Colombia, but not first time to South America. I had read a lot about this notorious country and was curious to see it. Like many other guys, my idea was to combine backpacker-style travel and sightseeing with meeting some nice chicas in the cities I was planning to visit, so when I came there, I would have a guide/girlfriend. Regarding accommodation, I stayed in backpacker hostels when I was on my own and switched to hotels when the situation required it.
Before I start: I am in my late thirties, average looking, fluent in Spanish, been a couple times to South America before. I was interested in meeting normal girls. My report does not focus on certain cities, I am just summarizing my experiences. If I find the time, I might add some city-specific stuff later.
1) The myth about Colombian girls
After reading through a few forums it sounded like this: all Colombian girls are of amazing beauty, but very poor, and badly treated by the local men, so they are desparate to leave their country. All foreign men, no matter how ugly they are, turn immediately into some sort of Brad Pitt when hitting Colombian ground and are permanently approached by those desparate and beautiful Colombian chicas. Sounds good, doesn´t it?
2) Meeting Colombianas over the internet
I had already signed up to Cybercupido some time ago, and to prepare for my trip, I reworked and updated my profile. I know some Latinas living in my hometown and had them review the profile to make sure it was ok. They also gave me some useful advice.
I was looking for girls in the 25-30 age range, and although there are thousands of colombianas profiles on this site, I found that when looking for a specific city, it quickly comes down to a few pages, especially when narrowing the search to profiles of slim and attractive girls with photos and that have shown some recent activity on the site. However, there were still enough girls to write to!
About one third to half of the girls I wrote to responded - actually I had expected a bit more enthusiasm from their side, see point 1) (the myth) – but it was still enough, I think I could not have handled much more (after all, you gotta write to all these girls at least couple of times). Some girls also sent me initial messages, interestingly many of them were from Barranquilla, this city doesn´t seem to get much attention. In the end I had collected some phone numbers for each of the cities I was planning to visit. I was ready to go!
3) Calling the girls (theory)
After setting foot on Colombian ground, I first had to learn some basics about the Colombian phone system. It seems that from a public payphone, you cannot call cellphones (and it took me almost a day to figure that out, darn!) So one of the first things on the to-do list was to visit a phone store and get a prepaid SIM card. There are two big operators, Comcel and Telefonica. The first chica I met advised me to get a Comcel card so I went to a Comcel store, the staff was friendly and helpful and after half an hour of filling out endless forms, I was set up with a Colombian mobile phone number. A big advantage, being able to make and receive calls without any hassle – well, almost!
4) Calling the girls (reality)
Well, shortly after meeting the second chica I was already doubting if this local SIM card thing had been a good idea. The problem was: when these chicas get your number, they will actually CALL you, whenever they feel like doing so. And: when they call you, they won´t say their names, you´ll only get a “hola lindo, como estas?” What´s the problem, you may think, I just program in their name and number! The problem is: mostly they will not call you from their cellphone, they will call from a “public” cellphone that is provided by ambulantes in the streets – they are carrying signs like “300 por minuto al celular” and will rent our their cellphone to anybody, this is how they make their living. Everybody uses these ambulantes because their rates are usually cheaper than the tariff that goes with your own phone. That means, there is no way of identifying a chica by her phone number, so you better make sure you recognize her voice otherwise it can get embarrassing! And, by the way, switching off your phone doesn´t solve the problem – these girls are jealous and will always ask you later “why was your phone switched off? I was trying to reach you !” If the phone is switched off most of the time, they get very suspicious!
So, to sum it up, a local SIM card can be useful, but if you are dating more than just one girl, think carefully about who you give the number to, and try to establish a communication routine where you rather call her (although this will not help much, if she feels like calling you she will do).
5) Meeting chicas in the streets and in bars
So, what about the beautiful and desparate colombianitas, where were they? I must say that during the three weeks I was there, I did not meet many local girls except the internet girls. For one part, the internet girls kept me busy for a good part of my time…..apart from that I am not the type of guy who just walks up to girls and start chatting with them….and finally, most of the chicas in bars and clubs seemed to be there with their local boyfriends or in mixed groups of guys and girls, where you could not tell exactly if it was novios or just amigos. And mostly, they seemed to be happy and having fun with their local guys and not desparate at all! Sure, there were always occasional groups of single women and it would probably be possible to meet someone. I´d say it mostly depends on how much game you have and how outgoing you are, actually it´s not much different than in your home country. I met lots of other backpackers during my trip (mostly male, not surprisingly) and their mileage varied a lot….I witnessed a guy coming into town, hitting a club and getting laid the first night, and on the other side I talked to guys traveling the country for five weeks and not getting laid at all, as they told me.
6) Meeting the internet girls
So, how did it finally work out with the girls I met over the internet? Well, not too bad. In total, I met four girls during my trip. With the first girl, a pretty student girl in her mid-20´s, I hit it off immediately. We connected well, the action started on the first evening we met and this continued to be our favourite activity for more than one week. She was slim, had a pretty face and a real hardbody, and she was very uncomplicated and open to anything. What more could I desire! When we did not shag, we did sightseeing together and she introduced me to some of her friends. Because we had such a good time, I arranged to see her again at the end of my trip.
Moving on to another city, I met a girl that was also very sweet and pretty but also more serious. I did not score with her because she was one of those conservative girls who don´t drop their panties quickly (yes these exist in Colombia too), but we went out together for about a week and spent the evenings with lots of kissing and touching, and it was very enjoyable.
Each of these two girls was a 7-8 in looks, and was great company to be with. However, none of them would actually consider leaving their country for going with some gringo to a land far far away. They could not imagine to live without their family and friends, and although they were not rich, they had jobs that were kind of ok and they were not desperate to leave their country. One of these girls even told me she had previously been with a Colombian guy and had left him when he wanted to move to the U.S., something she was not interested in at all.
The other two girls I met only once or twice for some sightseeing - they were nice, but not nearly as attractive as the two above mentioned girls, and I guess I was already spoiled ;-)
The rest of the girls I did not meet because either it did not work out - they were out of town when I called them – or I did not call them because I was at this time already dating the other girls.
7) So, how was it?
All in all, I had a very good time in Colombia - out of the three weeks I had more than one week of great sex, another week of nice GFE-style dating, each with a very pretty girl, so I had no reason to complain. And I am still in contact with both girls.
But as far as the myths about Colombianas go, I would say that a lot of this stuff is wrong. Neither are they all desparate to leave their country, nor does the pure fact that you are a foreigner guarantee you to get laid. Maybe it´s a bit easier than at home and you might be able to get better-looking girls, but you still need to do your homework, date them and win them over. And despite all that can be read in the forums, typical Latinas are actually quite conservative when it comes to sex, especially the “good” girls, and jumping into the bed with an unknown foreigner on the first night is, as far as I know, rather the exception than the rule. I guess I had been quite lucky with my student girl, but it would be unrealistic to expect that it is like this with every girl.
I would advise anyone thinking about going to Colombia not go for the girls only – this country is beautiful and has a lot to offer: ancient culture, colonial cities, bustling nightlife, mountains, beaches, rainforests, great food and music, friendly locals – yes the chicas are the icing on the cake, but try to sample some of the other stuff as well.
Have fun!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Does anyone know if a a Verizon cell phone will roam there and be able to make and receive calls. It is CDMA
Great overall report. I'm thrilled that you too admire all that there is in Colombia.
I still owe you a report from my trip to Colombia earlier this year. Had always been too busy to write it down, finally I found the time!
It was my first trip to Colombia, but not first time to South America. I had read a lot about this notorious country and was curious to see it. Like many other guys, my idea was to combine backpacker-style travel and sightseeing with meeting some nice chicas in the cities I was planning to visit, so when I came there, I would have a guide/girlfriend. Regarding accommodation, I stayed in backpacker hostels when I was on my own and switched to hotels when the situation required it.
Before I start: I am in my late thirties, average looking, fluent in Spanish, been a couple times to South America before. I was interested in meeting normal girls. My report does not focus on certain cities, I am just summarizing my experiences. If I find the time, I might add some city-specific stuff later.
1) The myth about Colombian girls
After reading through a few forums it sounded like this: all Colombian girls are of amazing beauty, but very poor, and badly treated by the local men, so they are desparate to leave their country. All foreign men, no matter how ugly they are, turn immediately into some sort of Brad Pitt when hitting Colombian ground and are permanently approached by those desparate and beautiful Colombian chicas. Sounds good, doesn´t it?
2) Meeting Colombianas over the internet
I had already signed up to Cybercupido some time ago, and to prepare for my trip, I reworked and updated my profile. I know some Latinas living in my hometown and had them review the profile to make sure it was ok. They also gave me some useful advice.
I was looking for girls in the 25-30 age range, and although there are thousands of colombianas profiles on this site, I found that when looking for a specific city, it quickly comes down to a few pages, especially when narrowing the search to profiles of slim and attractive girls with photos and that have shown some recent activity on the site. However, there were still enough girls to write to!
About one third to half of the girls I wrote to responded - actually I had expected a bit more enthusiasm from their side, see point 1) (the myth) – but it was still enough, I think I could not have handled much more (after all, you gotta write to all these girls at least couple of times). Some girls also sent me initial messages, interestingly many of them were from Barranquilla, this city doesn´t seem to get much attention. In the end I had collected some phone numbers for each of the cities I was planning to visit. I was ready to go!
3) Calling the girls (theory)
After setting foot on Colombian ground, I first had to learn some basics about the Colombian phone system. It seems that from a public payphone, you cannot call cellphones (and it took me almost a day to figure that out, darn!) So one of the first things on the to-do list was to visit a phone store and get a prepaid SIM card. There are two big operators, Comcel and Telefonica. The first chica I met advised me to get a Comcel card so I went to a Comcel store, the staff was friendly and helpful and after half an hour of filling out endless forms, I was set up with a Colombian mobile phone number. A big advantage, being able to make and receive calls without any hassle – well, almost!
4) Calling the girls (reality)
Well, shortly after meeting the second chica I was already doubting if this local SIM card thing had been a good idea. The problem was: when these chicas get your number, they will actually CALL you, whenever they feel like doing so. And: when they call you, they won´t say their names, you´ll only get a “hola lindo, como estas?” What´s the problem, you may think, I just program in their name and number! The problem is: mostly they will not call you from their cellphone, they will call from a “public” cellphone that is provided by ambulantes in the streets – they are carrying signs like “300 por minuto al celular” and will rent our their cellphone to anybody, this is how they make their living. Everybody uses these ambulantes because their rates are usually cheaper than the tariff that goes with your own phone. That means, there is no way of identifying a chica by her phone number, so you better make sure you recognize her voice otherwise it can get embarrassing! And, by the way, switching off your phone doesn´t solve the problem – these girls are jealous and will always ask you later “why was your phone switched off? I was trying to reach you !” If the phone is switched off most of the time, they get very suspicious!
So, to sum it up, a local SIM card can be useful, but if you are dating more than just one girl, think carefully about who you give the number to, and try to establish a communication routine where you rather call her (although this will not help much, if she feels like calling you she will do).
5) Meeting chicas in the streets and in bars
So, what about the beautiful and desparate colombianitas, where were they? I must say that during the three weeks I was there, I did not meet many local girls except the internet girls. For one part, the internet girls kept me busy for a good part of my time…..apart from that I am not the type of guy who just walks up to girls and start chatting with them….and finally, most of the chicas in bars and clubs seemed to be there with their local boyfriends or in mixed groups of guys and girls, where you could not tell exactly if it was novios or just amigos. And mostly, they seemed to be happy and having fun with their local guys and not desparate at all! Sure, there were always occasional groups of single women and it would probably be possible to meet someone. I´d say it mostly depends on how much game you have and how outgoing you are, actually it´s not much different than in your home country. I met lots of other backpackers during my trip (mostly male, not surprisingly) and their mileage varied a lot….I witnessed a guy coming into town, hitting a club and getting laid the first night, and on the other side I talked to guys traveling the country for five weeks and not getting laid at all, as they told me.
6) Meeting the internet girls
So, how did it finally work out with the girls I met over the internet? Well, not too bad. In total, I met four girls during my trip. With the first girl, a pretty student girl in her mid-20´s, I hit it off immediately. We connected well, the action started on the first evening we met and this continued to be our favourite activity for more than one week. She was slim, had a pretty face and a real hardbody, and she was very uncomplicated and open to anything. What more could I desire! When we did not shag, we did sightseeing together and she introduced me to some of her friends. Because we had such a good time, I arranged to see her again at the end of my trip.
Moving on to another city, I met a girl that was also very sweet and pretty but also more serious. I did not score with her because she was one of those conservative girls who don´t drop their panties quickly (yes these exist in Colombia too), but we went out together for about a week and spent the evenings with lots of kissing and touching, and it was very enjoyable.
Each of these two girls was a 7-8 in looks, and was great company to be with. However, none of them would actually consider leaving their country for going with some gringo to a land far far away. They could not imagine to live without their family and friends, and although they were not rich, they had jobs that were kind of ok and they were not desperate to leave their country. One of these girls even told me she had previously been with a Colombian guy and had left him when he wanted to move to the U.S., something she was not interested in at all.
The other two girls I met only once or twice for some sightseeing - they were nice, but not nearly as attractive as the two above mentioned girls, and I guess I was already spoiled ;-)
The rest of the girls I did not meet because either it did not work out - they were out of town when I called them – or I did not call them because I was at this time already dating the other girls.
7) So, how was it?
All in all, I had a very good time in Colombia - out of the three weeks I had more than one week of great sex, another week of nice GFE-style dating, each with a very pretty girl, so I had no reason to complain. And I am still in contact with both girls.
But as far as the myths about Colombianas go, I would say that a lot of this stuff is wrong. Neither are they all desparate to leave their country, nor does the pure fact that you are a foreigner guarantee you to get laid. Maybe it´s a bit easier than at home and you might be able to get better-looking girls, but you still need to do your homework, date them and win them over. And despite all that can be read in the forums, typical Latinas are actually quite conservative when it comes to sex, especially the “good” girls, and jumping into the bed with an unknown foreigner on the first night is, as far as I know, rather the exception than the rule. I guess I had been quite lucky with my student girl, but it would be unrealistic to expect that it is like this with every girl.
I would advise anyone thinking about going to Colombia not go for the girls only – this country is beautiful and has a lot to offer: ancient culture, colonial cities, bustling nightlife, mountains, beaches, rainforests, great food and music, friendly locals – yes the chicas are the icing on the cake, but try to sample some of the other stuff as well.
Have fun!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
I still owe you a report from my trip to Colombia earlier this year. Had always been too busy to write it down, finally I found the time!
It was my first trip to Colombia, but not first time to South America. I had read a lot about this notorious country and was curious to see it. Like many other guys, my idea was to combine backpacker-style travel and sightseeing with meeting some nice chicas in the cities I was planning to visit, so when I came there, I would have a guide/girlfriend. Regarding accommodation, I stayed in backpacker hostels when I was on my own and switched to hotels when the situation required it.
Before I start: I am in my late thirties, average looking, fluent in Spanish, been a couple times to South America before. I was interested in meeting normal girls. My report does not focus on certain cities, I am just summarizing my experiences. If I find the time, I might add some city-specific stuff later.
1) The myth about Colombian girls
After reading through a few forums it sounded like this: all Colombian girls are of amazing beauty, but very poor, and badly treated by the local men, so they are desparate to leave their country. All foreign men, no matter how ugly they are, turn immediately into some sort of Brad Pitt when hitting Colombian ground and are permanently approached by those desparate and beautiful Colombian chicas. Sounds good, doesn´t it?
2) Meeting Colombianas over the internet
I had already signed up to Cybercupido some time ago, and to prepare for my trip, I reworked and updated my profile. I know some Latinas living in my hometown and had them review the profile to make sure it was ok. They also gave me some useful advice.
I was looking for girls in the 25-30 age range, and although there are thousands of colombianas profiles on this site, I found that when looking for a specific city, it quickly comes down to a few pages, especially when narrowing the search to profiles of slim and attractive girls with photos and that have shown some recent activity on the site. However, there were still enough girls to write to!
About one third to half of the girls I wrote to responded - actually I had expected a bit more enthusiasm from their side, see point 1) (the myth) – but it was still enough, I think I could not have handled much more (after all, you gotta write to all these girls at least couple of times). Some girls also sent me initial messages, interestingly many of them were from Barranquilla, this city doesn´t seem to get much attention. In the end I had collected some phone numbers for each of the cities I was planning to visit. I was ready to go!
3) Calling the girls (theory)
After setting foot on Colombian ground, I first had to learn some basics about the Colombian phone system. It seems that from a public payphone, you cannot call cellphones (and it took me almost a day to figure that out, darn!) So one of the first things on the to-do list was to visit a phone store and get a prepaid SIM card. There are two big operators, Comcel and Telefonica. The first chica I met advised me to get a Comcel card so I went to a Comcel store, the staff was friendly and helpful and after half an hour of filling out endless forms, I was set up with a Colombian mobile phone number. A big advantage, being able to make and receive calls without any hassle – well, almost!
4) Calling the girls (reality)
Well, shortly after meeting the second chica I was already doubting if this local SIM card thing had been a good idea. The problem was: when these chicas get your number, they will actually CALL you, whenever they feel like doing so. And: when they call you, they won´t say their names, you´ll only get a “hola lindo, como estas?” What´s the problem, you may think, I just program in their name and number! The problem is: mostly they will not call you from their cellphone, they will call from a “public” cellphone that is provided by ambulantes in the streets – they are carrying signs like “300 por minuto al celular” and will rent our their cellphone to anybody, this is how they make their living. Everybody uses these ambulantes because their rates are usually cheaper than the tariff that goes with your own phone. That means, there is no way of identifying a chica by her phone number, so you better make sure you recognize her voice otherwise it can get embarrassing! And, by the way, switching off your phone doesn´t solve the problem – these girls are jealous and will always ask you later “why was your phone switched off? I was trying to reach you !” If the phone is switched off most of the time, they get very suspicious!
So, to sum it up, a local SIM card can be useful, but if you are dating more than just one girl, think carefully about who you give the number to, and try to establish a communication routine where you rather call her (although this will not help much, if she feels like calling you she will do).
5) Meeting chicas in the streets and in bars
So, what about the beautiful and desparate colombianitas, where were they? I must say that during the three weeks I was there, I did not meet many local girls except the internet girls. For one part, the internet girls kept me busy for a good part of my time…..apart from that I am not the type of guy who just walks up to girls and start chatting with them….and finally, most of the chicas in bars and clubs seemed to be there with their local boyfriends or in mixed groups of guys and girls, where you could not tell exactly if it was novios or just amigos. And mostly, they seemed to be happy and having fun with their local guys and not desparate at all! Sure, there were always occasional groups of single women and it would probably be possible to meet someone. I´d say it mostly depends on how much game you have and how outgoing you are, actually it´s not much different than in your home country. I met lots of other backpackers during my trip (mostly male, not surprisingly) and their mileage varied a lot….I witnessed a guy coming into town, hitting a club and getting laid the first night, and on the other side I talked to guys traveling the country for five weeks and not getting laid at all, as they told me.
6) Meeting the internet girls
So, how did it finally work out with the girls I met over the internet? Well, not too bad. In total, I met four girls during my trip. With the first girl, a pretty student girl in her mid-20´s, I hit it off immediately. We connected well, the action started on the first evening we met and this continued to be our favourite activity for more than one week. She was slim, had a pretty face and a real hardbody, and she was very uncomplicated and open to anything. What more could I desire! When we did not shag, we did sightseeing together and she introduced me to some of her friends. Because we had such a good time, I arranged to see her again at the end of my trip.
Moving on to another city, I met a girl that was also very sweet and pretty but also more serious. I did not score with her because she was one of those conservative girls who don´t drop their panties quickly (yes these exist in Colombia too), but we went out together for about a week and spent the evenings with lots of kissing and touching, and it was very enjoyable.
Each of these two girls was a 7-8 in looks, and was great company to be with. However, none of them would actually consider leaving their country for going with some gringo to a land far far away. They could not imagine to live without their family and friends, and although they were not rich, they had jobs that were kind of ok and they were not desperate to leave their country. One of these girls even told me she had previously been with a Colombian guy and had left him when he wanted to move to the U.S., something she was not interested in at all.
The other two girls I met only once or twice for some sightseeing - they were nice, but not nearly as attractive as the two above mentioned girls, and I guess I was already spoiled ;-)
The rest of the girls I did not meet because either it did not work out - they were out of town when I called them – or I did not call them because I was at this time already dating the other girls.
7) So, how was it?
All in all, I had a very good time in Colombia - out of the three weeks I had more than one week of great sex, another week of nice GFE-style dating, each with a very pretty girl, so I had no reason to complain. And I am still in contact with both girls.
But as far as the myths about Colombianas go, I would say that a lot of this stuff is wrong. Neither are they all desparate to leave their country, nor does the pure fact that you are a foreigner guarantee you to get laid. Maybe it´s a bit easier than at home and you might be able to get better-looking girls, but you still need to do your homework, date them and win them over. And despite all that can be read in the forums, typical Latinas are actually quite conservative when it comes to sex, especially the “good” girls, and jumping into the bed with an unknown foreigner on the first night is, as far as I know, rather the exception than the rule. I guess I had been quite lucky with my student girl, but it would be unrealistic to expect that it is like this with every girl.
I would advise anyone thinking about going to Colombia not go for the girls only – this country is beautiful and has a lot to offer: ancient culture, colonial cities, bustling nightlife, mountains, beaches, rainforests, great food and music, friendly locals – yes the chicas are the icing on the cake, but try to sample some of the other stuff as well.
Have fun!
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Great report senor Madrugada (great name too),
Great observations of las Colombianas. For me personally, if a Colombiana DOES want to leave her country, red flags come up and I run.
Take care amigo :)
I agree with Ricker, one of the best reports that I have seen. Well thought out and a very quick study of de colombianas.... Well done.....
madrugada, that post actually inspires me.
Sounds like you werent too worried about safety concerns either, since you never mentioned it.
I prefer youth hostels, too. Dirt cheap, although it might be near impossible to get the privacy needed to sleep with a girl. I assume your make out sessions were in hotels or at the respective woman's residence?
I also like travelling with one single "backpack" instead of a suitcase and a bag.
Downside is US Customs will peg you as a poor nobody and be more likely to target you once you get back.
Mr Enternational
09-07-07, 01:03
Does anyone know if a a Verizon cell phone will roam there and be able to make and receive calls. It is CDMA
For doing your homework I will require you to pay my next year's subscription to ISG.
Colombia is not on the list of countries in which a Verizon subscriber can roam.
http://mobileoptions.vzw.com/international/roaming/rates/Mexico.html
Gents,
This story interested me because I'm sure many of the Colombian gentlemen visiting casas (MP's) and strip joints are married. Could such a law cause a drop in attendance by these fellows? Could it cause a deflation of customers to the point where casas and the like will have to drop their prices to attract the lessening number of customers? Mmmmm....
Wed Sep 5, 9:15 AM ET
BOGOTA (Reuters) - Married Colombians engaged in passionate extra-curricular activities may soon have to think twice about their philandering ways if a senator's proposed legislation punishing adultery gets the green light.
Sen. Edgar Espindola said he has proposed a law that would impose fines and enforced community service as punishment for adulterers in an effort to protect family values and shield children from broken homes.
"I believe a lot of my companions are going to support this initiative," Espindola said on Tuesday. "This project should motivate Colombians to reflect on the importance of the marriage, the home and the importance of family."
He said aggrieved parties could take complaints and evidence such as photographs to local family judges, who would decide to impose fines of up to 20 minimum monthly salaries -- around $4,000 -- and obligatory welfare service.
Spouses forgiven by partners would escape punishment.
Some local radio commentators joked the proposal would get short shrift in Colombia's Congress because lawmakers were likely to want to hide their own indiscretions in the mostly Roman Catholic country.
(Reuters)
Gents,
This story interested me because I'm sure many of the Colombian gentlemen visiting casas (MP's) and strip joints are married. Could such a law cause a drop in attendance by these fellows? Could it cause a deflation of customers to the point where casas and the like will have to drop their prices to attract the lessening number of customers? Mmmmm....
Wed Sep 5, 9:15 AM ET
BOGOTA (Reuters) - Married Colombians engaged in passionate extra-curricular activities may soon have to think twice about their philandering ways if a senator's proposed legislation punishing adultery gets the green light.
Sen. Edgar Espindola said he has proposed a law that would impose fines and enforced community service as punishment for adulterers in an effort to protect family values and shield children from broken homes.
"I believe a lot of my companions are going to support this initiative," Espindola said on Tuesday. "This project should motivate Colombians to reflect on the importance of the marriage, the home and the importance of family."
He said aggrieved parties could take complaints and evidence such as photographs to local family judges, who would decide to impose fines of up to 20 minimum monthly salaries -- around $4,000 -- and obligatory welfare service.
Spouses forgiven by partners would escape punishment.
Some local radio commentators joked the proposal would get short shrift in Colombia's Congress because lawmakers were likely to want to hide their own indiscretions in the mostly Roman Catholic country.
(Reuters)
I'd bet most of the men who monger wouldnt be able to pay this. Is his plan to throw all those men in jail for non-payment, like they do here in the US? Or is he only going to target rich men?
Colombia must be in need of an increased revenue stream.
Too bad this mangina wants to sell other men down the river to enforce his rules.
Or... Don't get married. Simply co-habitate.
madrugada, that post actually inspires me.
Sounds like you werent too worried about safety concerns either, since you never mentioned it.
I prefer youth hostels, too. Dirt cheap, although it might be near impossible to get the privacy needed to sleep with a girl. I assume your make out sessions were in hotels or at the respective woman's residence?
I also like travelling with one single "backpack" instead of a suitcase and a bag.
Downside is US Customs will peg you as a poor nobody and be more likely to target you once you get back.Actually, I was a bit concerned about safety when I was planning my trip and reading through the stuff in the internet travel forums. A lot of old horror stories can be found there, most of them dating back many years. Others stated "Colombia is 100% safe", so it was difficult to get a clear picture.
After having been there, I´d say the situation in the big cities is not worse than in other large SA cities, such as Lima or Quito. If you use common sense and exercise the same amount of caution you would use in other places in SA, you should be fine. The FARC seems to be still strong, but only in remote provinces where a tourist probably never want to go. And the times when whole cities were run by druglords such as Pablo Escobar are long gone by.
Regarding taxis, many forums and guidebooks advise to use only pre-booked taxis, by calling a central reservation line. I did not try that out - the locals said that normal taxis should be fine and for the radio taxis you need to wait 15-20 minutes. I used at least 2 or 3 taxis per day and never had a problem or felt unsafe. Just make sure you flag down a passing cab instead of taking one that is parked, and do what the locals do: "mira la cara", that means look at the face of the driver, if he looks somehow weird or dangerous, just take another cab.
And yes, hostels can be fun but are not exactly a good place to sleep with a girl, very little privacy. It´s better to go to a hotel. 30-40 USD should get you a simple but decent and clean double room (except in Bogota, which is more expensive). If you don´t know where to go, ask the chica...she always knows a place ;-)
Gents,
This story interested me because I'm sure many of the Colombian gentlemen visiting casas (MP's) and strip joints are married. Could such a law cause a drop in attendance by these fellows? Could it cause a deflation of customers to the point where casas and the like will have to drop their prices to attract the lessening number of customers? Mmmmm....
Wed Sep 5, 9:15 AM ET
BOGOTA (Reuters) - Married Colombians engaged in passionate extra-curricular activities may soon have to think twice about their philandering ways if a senator's proposed legislation punishing adultery gets the green light.
Sen. Edgar Espindola said he has proposed a law that would impose fines and enforced community service as punishment for adulterers in an effort to protect family values and shield children from broken homes.
"I believe a lot of my companions are going to support this initiative," Espindola said on Tuesday. "This project should motivate Colombians to reflect on the importance of the marriage, the home and the importance of family."
He said aggrieved parties could take complaints and evidence such as photographs to local family judges, who would decide to impose fines of up to 20 minimum monthly salaries -- around $4,000 -- and obligatory welfare service.
Spouses forgiven by partners would escape punishment.
Some local radio commentators joked the proposal would get short shrift in Colombia's Congress because lawmakers were likely to want to hide their own indiscretions in the mostly Roman Catholic country.
(Reuters)
mmmm would be nice if they drop the prices, but remember its Colombia, who is going to enforce this law?
Superboy
Hoof Hunter
09-08-07, 03:30
This is Colombia.
Remember that sex strike in Pereira by the women??? Didn't last long, huh.
The dudes who would be charged with enforcing this law would be...(guess).... Colombian men.
You really think they're going rat each other out??? Get real. For the price of a beer or a shot of whiskey, heads are turned now against worst things.
This law proposal will get nowhere. Why? Colombian men will have a talk with this idiot senator trying to score points.
Even if it were to get somewhere, Colombian women are VERY forgiving of their men. They turn their heads and play ignorant to this sort of stuff. Why? Short supply of decent dudes, hence why so many Colombianas dominate the internet sites. To lose a good Colombian dude, is to choose to possibly be lonely for a while. Both parties know their respective positions in the relationship. Men KNOW they can get away with cheating, so long as they are discreet about it. Women may even cheat back, but won't leave the dude.
It'll be business as usual in the casas and the strip joints, and prices will remain the same, if not higher, no thanks to the foreigner influx.
Gents,
This story interested me because I'm sure many of the Colombian gentlemen visiting casas (MP's) and strip joints are married. Could such a law cause a drop in attendance by these fellows? Could it cause a deflation of customers to the point where casas and the like will have to drop their prices to attract the lessening number of customers? Mmmmm....
(Reuters)
Has anyone noticed the growing feeling of anti-americanism or is it just me? the other day I got a mouthful from a Colombian woman on how we treat their people and I can't help but feel that a good portion of the women feel this way but wouldn't say it.
Thanks
Texas Slim
09-10-07, 04:28
Can any of you guys recommend a "trustworthy" taxi driver that can pick me up from the airport on the late arrival (8:30 p.m.)? I normally have people I know pick me up, but not this time.
*Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Kickboxer151
09-10-07, 05:59
Can any of you guys recommend a "trustworthy" taxi driver that can pick me up from the airport on the late arrival (8:30 p.m.)? I normally have people I know pick me up, but not this time.
*Any recommendations would be appreciated.
I also live in Medellin and here in the USA. I travel very frequently back and forth. I have 2 VERY trustworthy drivers. One speaks perfect English (Alvaro) the other only speaks Spanish. BUT is the BEST driver I have yet to find. His name is Fernando, Married with a kid and happens to be a GREAT and TRUSTING friend. He is my number one choice. Do you want their contact info?
Kb151
Has anyone noticed the growing feeling of anti-americanism or is it just me? the other day I got a mouthful from a Colombian woman on how we treat their people and I can't help but feel that a good portion of the women feel this way but wouldn't say it.
Thanks
I do not believe that this is representative of Colombians in general. There is always someone who doesn't like something.
Texas Slim
09-10-07, 12:09
Yes. Do you feel comfortable posting the driver's phone number(s) here?
*Although not fluent, I do speak and understand Spanish enough to get by.
Thanks,
Slim
Sandman0011
09-10-07, 14:52
As to why the US didn't help the Colombian people more.
I responded that we only sent 8 Billion in food, materials, arms, training, drug eradication assistance etc. last year. She looked at me kinda funny and said, "really?"
I asked her how much mother Espania sent last year. She shrugged her shoulders!
I held up a big fat "0" with thumb and index finger connected.
The topic of conversation quickly changed...he he!
Has anyone noticed the growing feeling of anti-americanism or is it just me? the other day I got a mouthful from a Colombian woman on how we treat their people and I can't help but feel that a good portion of the women feel this way but wouldn't say it.
Thanks
At least the Colombianas did not curse at you and spit at you.
Madrugada,
Excellent report about meeting non-pro girls through Internet. The phone issue is 100% true: girls do'nt give their names when they call you just to check if you will remember them. I had a couple of embarrasing situations too in confusing girls on phone or having my phone ringing when busy with another girl.
Regarding the Colombiana myth, I don't know who told you that they are desperate to leave the country. Colombianas love their country, home and family, few would leave Colombia. And they don't do it for the money too, even if most are poor.
For the rest, my experience was very different than yours for a couple of reasons. I came for the non pros, didn't try the pro scene and didn't try the Internet meetings. As you were already busy enough with the Internet meetings, it couldn't allow you to focus on the natural scene. Believe me, the natural non pro scene is amazing!
Why some visitors have poor experience with this scene? Simply for one reason: they didn't try it. This scene doesn't come to you like in some other countries, you have to make the first step. Colombianas are ready to make all the other steps, but the first step is for you. Problem is that most of us has been told for so long in our home countries that approaching a girl is irrespectfull for her. Not in Colombia, any girl being approached feels herself being honored. This is the only thing you need to know about Colombia. It makes all the experience very different.
AddictedToWomen
09-12-07, 12:16
The spraying of toxic chemicals, banned in the US, on land and people in Colombia didn't go down well with the politically-aware citizens.
Do you now how much of that 8 billion could be spent anywhere? Or was it tied to particular US suppliers?
Looks like money well spent anyway...
As to why the US didn't help the Colombian people more.
I responded that we only sent 8 Billion in food, materials, arms, training, drug eradication assistance etc. last year. She looked at me kinda funny and said, "really?"
I asked her how much mother Espania sent last year. She shrugged her shoulders!
I held up a big fat "0" with thumb and index finger connected.
The topic of conversation quickly changed...he he!
AddictedToWomen
09-12-07, 12:21
Regarding taxis, many forums and guidebooks advise to use only pre-booked taxis, by calling a central reservation line.
This is not as safe as it used to be -- too many illegal, unregistered drivers hijacking the calls. The code they give you is to protect the driver, *not* the passenger.
Sandman0011
09-12-07, 13:42
They are on the US state department site if you really want to know.
Much of it was associated with drug eradication, educating farmers how to grow other cash crops, supporting the military, some road construction, improving telecommunications infrastructure, housing for displaced civil war victims, eduction and other social/medical programs.
Whatever, Uribe has made good use of his close ties with the US. GW has proposed a free trade greement with Colombia and it is getting very good press locally.
The spraying of toxic chemicals, banned in the US, on land and people in Colombia didn't go down well with the politically-aware citizens.
Do you now how much of that 8 billion could be spent anywhere? Or was it tied to particular US suppliers?
Looks like money well spent anyway...
The spraying of toxic chemicals, banned in the US, on land and people in Colombia didn't go down well with the politically-aware citizens.
Do you now how much of that 8 billion could be spent anywhere? Or was it tied to particular US suppliers?
Looks like money well spent anyway...
If they were that politically aware, they should have realized that the US didn't spray anything anywhere. The Colombian government controls what is sprayed and when it is sprayed.
My guess is that very little of the aid could be spent anywhere. Federal dollars to the States can only be spent the way and under the conditions the Federal government wishes.
Jelly Donut
09-18-07, 02:13
Interestingly, my Verizon phone does work in Colombia. You can call Colombian cell phone numbers effortlessly, at least the "313" numbers. At the same time, it is not so easy for the girls to call you back (give them your hotel or apartment phone, this gets you around one of the issues madrugada raised). I think it will work in all the major cities, but you phone bill could take a big hit if you use it a lot. It takes incoming calls for the US, no problem.
For doing your homework I will require you to pay my next year's subscription to ISG.
Colombia is not on the list of countries in which a Verizon subscriber can roam.
http://mobileoptions.vzw.com/international/roaming/rates/Mexico.html
MiamiHeatLuver
09-18-07, 02:19
Interestingly, my Verizon phone does work in Colombia. You can call Colombian cell phone numbers effortlessly, at least the "313" numbers. At the same time, it is not so easy for the girls to call you back (give them your hotel or apartment phone, this gets you around one of the issues madrugada raised). I think it will work in all the major cities, but you phone bill could take a big hit if you use it a lot. It takes incoming calls for the US, no problem.
I turn my t-mobile OFFFFFFF... its $3 a minute... and then my voicemail has my "Internaional Cell number" on it.. a COMCEL.. he he My clients will call me there if need be.. Plus how else are the ladies gonna call you?
Dodger Bulldog
09-18-07, 03:24
Enigma- Go to Europe if you want anti-americanism.
At least the Colombianas did not curse at you and spit at you.I wonder why that would happen?
I was in Europe during one of the most tense of times in recent history. When the Iraq war began on March 20, 2003, I was alone in a bar in Paris, watching the bombing on television with the locals.
Remember how maligned the French were in America at that time? Freedom fries, boycott the wine, and all that?
Well, I struck up a conversation with several of them. Soon they were buying me drinks, put their arms around my back, and toasted that we are all brothers. We sang songs together and prayed for a quick peace.
Everyone I met traveling across Europe was very gracious to me. Especially the French, our oldest allies.
I am happy to say the same about the wonderful people of Latin America.
I believe that we project our own preconceived notions onto others. If you like the people where you came from, odds are that you will like the people where you are going. That's because they are really no different.
If you look down at people and expect them to treat you badly, you'll probably get that, too.
I have traveled with someone who went around as the "Ugly American." You know, complaining about how things are in the country they are visiting and acting like America's ways are always superior. I was disgusted and embarrassed that she would represent us Americans like that.
I suppose those who go through life threatening to "settle" things by beating people up because of their own insecurities will get into more than their share of fights along the way. That might just be what leaves such a foul taste in ones mouth.
Ultimately, I believe that whether a person does or doesn't like the people from a particular place, it is purely a reflection of their own attitude, not the people they meet.
In the end, it's all about you.
DB
I don't like to get political on this forum but regarding U.S. aid to Colombia. . .
MOST of the money from Plan Colombia goes DIRECTLY back to American companies that are involved in this plan. It is NOT money that is just given to the Colombian govt. or Colombian private interests. Of course, Colombia benefits, but naturally, so does the U.S., and in any case, giving money away to a country with well known corruption issues is just a plain bad idea.
These girls might be complaining about the issue of free trade (TLC), which is currently being threatened by the Democratic Party. That seems to be a hot-button issue for some Colombians. And they're probably just a little naive. Remember, many Colombians are naturally defensive about their country saying it's not as dangerous or as bad as people say it is. That's true, but as locals they get so used to the violence and danger level and amount of security, it just becomes background noise. I can't honestly say I felt truly safe in my recent trip to Bogota.
In any case, as long as gringos and Europeans have a taste for coke, and as long as that stays illegal, there will always be serious problems in this country. It is what it is.
Aussie Mate
09-19-07, 17:56
Veteran Colombian Mongers and Gents:
How would you rank the Colombiana's in regard to potential long term partners, girlfriends or wives in relation to their worldwide counter parts?
At the bottom of my list for obvious reasons are the U.S., Aussie, and Western European women. The Thais and Filippinas seem to be family oriented, however seem to have a money driven agenda.
I have met some wonderful Colombiana's whom are not only beautiful but seem to be very down to earth and commitment driven with their latina flare for jealousy. However, with that said I have only been to Colombia twice, both short time visits so I really don't have a full grasp on the Colombian culture.
Just a thought of what other perspectives people have on this subject.
Any insight or experienced observation would be greatly appreciated!
I wonder why that would happen?
I was in Europe during one of the most tense of times in recent history. When the Iraq war began on March 20, 2003, I was alone in a bar in Paris, watching the bombing on television with the locals.
Remember how maligned the French were in America at that time? Freedom fries, boycott the wine, and all that?
Well, I struck up a conversation with several of them. Soon they were buying me drinks, put their arms around my back, and toasted that we are all brothers. We sang songs together and prayed for a quick peace.
Everyone I met traveling across Europe was very gracious to me. Especially the French, our oldest allies.
I am happy to say the same about the wonderful people of Latin America.
I believe that we project our own preconceived notions onto others. If you like the people where you came from, odds are that you will like the people where you are going. That's because they are really no different.
If you look down at people and expect them to treat you badly, you'll probably get that, too.
I have traveled with someone who went around as the "Ugly American." You know, complaining about how things are in the country they are visiting and acting like America's ways are always superior. I was disgusted and embarrassed that she would represent us Americans like that.
I suppose those who go through life threatening to "settle" things by beating people up because of their own insecurities will get into more than their share of fights along the way. That might just be what leaves such a foul taste in ones mouth.
Ultimately, I believe that whether a person does or doesn't like the people from a particular place, it is purely a reflection of their own attitude, not the people they meet.
In the end, it's all about you.
DBIt is usually not the people who are jerks their just regular working stiffs like us, and thats the same in France . Americans were not against the regular ole frence folk it was the goverment of Jacques Chirac. The government does not produce the wine or the cheese or any other product of France. Unfortunatly its the regular people who suffer & bare the brunt of the boycotts because of their idiot government. Its the same with most countries around the world.
Veteran Colombian Mongers and Gents:
How would you rank the Colombiana's in regard to potential long term partners, girlfriends or wives in relation to their worldwide counter parts?
At the bottom of my list for obvious reasons are the U.S., Aussie, and Western European women. The Thais and Filippinas seem to be family oriented, however seem to have a money driven agenda.
I have met some wonderful Colombiana's whom are not only beautiful but seem to be very down to earth and commitment driven with their latina flare for jealousy. However, with that said I have only been to Colombia twice, both short time visits so I really don't have a full grasp on the Colombian culture.
Just a thought of what other perspectives people have on this subject.
Any insight or experienced observation would be greatly appreciated!
La Colombiana can make a fantastic girlfriend / mate. They are generally very passionate and loving ... if ... they really dig you.
That's a big "if" and it's key.
Obviously there are lots of fakes, sharks, putas, etc.
The trick is to weed them out and find a chica who really digs you; and when you do, you'll be loved nicely :)
Good luck!
La Colombiana can make a fantastic girlfriend / mate. They are generally very passionate and loving ... if ... they really dig you.
That's a big "if" and it's key.
Obviously there are lots of fakes, sharks, putas, etc.
The trick is to weed them out and find a chica who really digs you; and when you do, you'll be loved nicely :)
Good luck!Well put. I'm working through this issue right now but i'm having a fricken hard time not wanting to put my dick in every other hot chick that walks buy. My GF is a keeper but I'm screwing my brains out on the side while I decide whether or not to bring her home.
Travel Warning
United States Department of State
Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, DC 20520
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This information is current as of today, Thu Sep 20 10:00:58 2007.
COLOMBIA
June 04, 2007
This Travel Warning updates ongoing security concerns in Colombia and reminds American citizens of those concerns. This supersedes the Travel Warning issued January 18, 2006.
The Department of State warns U.S. citizens of the dangers of travel to Colombia. Violence by narcoterrorist groups and other criminals continues to affect all parts of the country, urban and rural.
Violence has continued to decrease markedly in most urban areas, including Bogotá, Medellin, Barranquilla, and Cartagena. The level of violence in Cali, Buenaventura, and the surrounding areas remains high, largely as a result of the illicit drug trade. Many rural areas of Colombia remain extremely dangerous due to the presence of narcoterrorists and Colombian government operations against them.
Terrorist groups such as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) and the National Liberation Army (ELN), and other criminal organizations, continue to kidnap civilians for ransom or as political bargaining chips. No one can be considered immune from kidnapping on the basis of occupation, nationality, or other factors. The FARC have held three American official contractors hostage since February 2003. Although the U.S. government places the highest priority on the safe recovery of kidnapped Americans, it is U.S. policy not to make concessions to or strike deals with kidnappers. Consequently, the U.S. government’s ability to assist kidnapping victims is limited.
U.S. government officials and their families in Colombia are permitted to travel to major cities in the country, but only by air. They are not allowed to use inter- or intra-city bus transportation. They also are not permitted to travel by road outside of urban areas at night. All Americans in Colombia are urged to follow these precautions.
As the Department develops information on potential security threats to U.S. citizens overseas, it shares credible threats through its Consular Information Program documents, available on the Internet at http://travel.state.gov. U.S. citizens should consult warden messages for Colombia at http://bogota.usembassy.gov/wwwsc093.shtml, as well as the Department of State’s Consular Information Sheet for Colombia and Worldwide Caution Public Announcement at http://travel.state.gov. U.S. travelers can also get up-to-date information on security conditions by calling 1-888-407-4747 in the U.S. or Canada or on a regular toll line at 1-202-501-4444.
Well put. I'm working through this issue right now but i'm having a fricken hard time not wanting to put my dick in every other hot chick that walks buy. My GF is a keeper but I'm screwing my brains out on the side while I decide whether or not to bring her home.
Hahaha ... it's great to have that problem!
I've found that I really enjoy having a girlfriend. A girl that really digs me, worries about me, takes care of me, makes love with passion and carino, etc.
And I really dig her too.
However, I know me. I can't ever be completely faithful ... with sex that is.
I'll always have a little side fun, with no strings. For me that's OK.
I've had the multiple girlfriends at once. That's just too much drama for me. Too much work.
One girlfriend for the love ... and some fun on the side. :)
As far as taking a chica back to the US ... NUNCA ... NEVER. Not for me.
The culture, the women's groups, everything. How can your Colombiana not change.
I've seen it many many times with friends that have done it.
Good luck to todos!
MiamiHeatLuver
09-21-07, 20:26
The dollar was almost at 2200, In the last week it has take a MAJOR CRAP NOSE DIVE and is hovering at 2000 and predicted to go lower! I mean W.T.F.??
If you exchanged lets say $1000 usd @ 2200 = 2,200,000
NOW $1000 usd @ 2000 = 2,000,000
That is a difference of 200,000 mil pesos,,, thats like 4 ST or 2 or more TLN'S.. This really sucks..
Texas Slim
09-21-07, 21:35
Just announced they will not drop interest rates in step with the US Fed. There is alot of talk that they will soon unpeg their currency from the greenback. They hold 3.5 trillion in US financial interests.
The dollar was almost at 2200, In the last week it has take a MAJOR CRAP NOSE DIVE and is hovering at 2000 and predicted to go lower! I mean W.T.F.??
If you exchanged lets say $1000 usd @ 2200 = 2,200,000
NOW $1000 usd @ 2000 = 2,000,000
That is a difference of 200,000 mil pesos,,, thats like 4 ST or 2 or more TLN'S.. This really sucks..
The rate today is 2086. The Fed rate cut caused the drop. My guess is that the peso will resume it's drop versus the dollar soon. If not, my stock gains more than cover the loss.
Read the Goverment report, but you forgot to mention the price offered by the Farc for an american. It has not been put in any papers with the fear of loss of tourist.
This is from a medellin taxi driver and from my girl friend. If you hand an American to the Farc, it is worth 15millon pesos. Thats alot of money for a poor colombian.
Just hope they do not confuse Europeans as Americans too.
Superboy
MiamiHeatLuver
09-21-07, 23:00
Read the Goverment report, but you forgot to mention the price offered by the Farc for an american. It has not been put in any papers with the fear of loss of tourist.
This is from a medellin taxi driver and from my girl friend. If you hand an American to the Farc, it is worth 15millon pesos. Thats alot of money for a poor colombian.
Just hope they do not confuse Europeans as Americans too.
Superboy
You think the FARC are going to distinguish an american with somebody else caucasian? They are gonna go through the effort to kidnap you and then you or whoever says "wait im austrailian or wait im british" and they will be like "oh im so very sorry,, let me drop you off back were I picked you up for I thought you were an american!" lol There are risks in any country you go to in the world, Including the states and europe! I think the ole rule of thumb should be If you wanna play sometimes you gotta pay. or better yet dont get in the game if you dont want to play.
Read the Goverment report, but you forgot to mention the price offered by the Farc for an american. It has not been put in any papers with the fear of loss of tourist.
This is from a medellin taxi driver and from my girl friend. If you hand an American to the Farc, it is worth 15millon pesos. Thats alot of money for a poor colombian.
Just hope they do not confuse Europeans as Americans too.
Superboy
Oh boy .. a taxista told me they (FARC) offered 16 million for a Brit
Hope they don't confuse this gringo for a Brit, though I do look like Austin Powers :)
Get real amigo!
Besides the chicas, a couple of tasty things Colombiana that I have a craving for are:
1. Almohabanas - a soft biscuit with a cheesy flavor. Play on words for almohada, Spanish for pillow
2. Pony Malt - soft drink, sorta like coke, sorta like beer. Along the lines of a really sweet Guinness.
Perchance does anyone know if these are sold in the USA?
Oh boy .. a taxista told me they (FARC) offered 16 million for a Brit
Hope they don't confuse this gringo for a Brit, though I do look like Austin Powers :)
Get real amigo!
Don`t burn me, i am only passing on info that i have heard. I do hope its not true,but time will tell.
VatosLocos
09-23-07, 13:50
Well people, here just something I want to ask all you people, who love Colombia. Been there twice and really digged it, girls are easy and fun, life is cheap, weather nice (at least in Medellin it is.). Yes I know, also you must watch your back and be carefull all the time. But man do I miss the hell out of that country when I get back, almost all the way till I go again!
When you're back you just hate the stifness and coldness in the western society. Yeah lets complain about not being ably to buy the lates bigass flatscreen but just a tiny littlebit smaller version.
So packing up and moving there to continue life (either working or starting a bussiness like aparta-hotel) has been on my mind a lot lately.
I bet more people have felt what I feel, question is have any off you thought about moving there, or know about people who did. Any stories good or bad about it? Would the fun and good feelings be over when you would live there, without your friends and family around you? With crime always lurking. Although pussy is there abundantly ?
Well hope to get some input from some of the Colombia Guru's and anyone else that can give some input.
Thx people for any views!
Vatossss
Oh boy .. a taxista told me they (FARC) offered 16 million for a Brit
Hope they don't confuse this gringo for a Brit, though I do look like Austin Powers :)
Get real amigo!Thety might confuse an Aussie for a Brit or at lewast say their a Brit cause Aussie's are only worth 50,000cop LMAO
AddictedToWomen
09-24-07, 09:45
The rate today is 2086. The Fed rate cut caused the drop. My guess is that the peso will resume it's drop versus the dollar soon. If not, my stock gains more than cover the loss.
I think it was the rise that was unexpected, as least by me, not the drop. What caused the usd to suddenly gain some strength against the cop?
Now back under 2000: We seem to be on the road to resumption of toilet-paper dollar normality:
http://finance.yahoo.com/charts#chart1:symbol=usdcop=x;range=3m;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;logscale=on;source=undefined
AddictedToWomen
09-24-07, 09:52
Travel Warning
I've never liked the way they mix their Travel Warnings with propaganda. The Brits do a version which looks less sullied. They repost it when it comes out on:
groups (dot) yahoo (dot) com (slash) group (slash) ColombiaExperts
(Why do the groups ay yahoo addresses get asterisked out???)
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