General Info

[Lima Busy]

For those of us that can read Spanish, there is a useful site dedicated to the scene in Lima. The site is PeruTops.com.

http://perutops.com/foro-relax/index.php

Are there similar sites for any of the major cities of Colombia?They also have an English section!

[Tom 33]

Anyone have advice on the best car rental in Medellin?Yes, don't rent any car. Taxis and buses are cheap and plentiful.

Traffic is horrendous, and the rules of the road are much different here.

I own 3 vehicles here and do not drive any of them.

[Diabolo95]

Hello, to all

It's my first post

I am newbiz, I have been to Thailand many time, and Brazil (Fortaleza) 3 time, I am now want to try Colombia, I see many post talk about 200. 000 to 350. 000 kop for tdn, it's really the right price for chicas, in brazil (fortaleza) I paid 100 reais (about 45 box), I am really want to try Colombia, even I will try to get non-pros LOL if I have to pay 100 or 150 box for chica. Impossible for me.

I am young (27yo) not so rich LOL, so please can you give me informations about:

Can I find cheap place in Bogota, medelin, Cali and carthagena safety and near action?

In general, what the right price for a freelance?

Thanks

[Postitnoter]

I am wondering. I met some girls that work at that LAI agency in Bogota. Anyone already familar with them. A Claudia, Sandra, another Sandra, and a Silvia. Anyone already know these girls?

[Willlove]

Any one want to meet and monger around and see the good places and clubs together I am a man and seeking girls in south america. Looking for a buddy to explore the clubs and what not together. I am american. E-mail me and I will have a local number by March 24th [Email address deleted by Admin]

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[SlamCity7777]

Hi guys,

I hope this is the right place to put this.

I'd love to play some golf and have had a hard time finding course lists on line so If any of you local guys could put me in the right direction I'd sure would be greatful. Maybe we could play 18 or 9.

I'm not that good, I shoot 90-100 but I love the game and would love to play in South America.

Thanks!

[Rodeo9112]

I am wondering. I met some girls that work at that LAI agency in Bogota. Anyone already familar with them. A Claudia, Sandra, another Sandra, and a Silvia. Anyone already know these girls?I'd like to know more about this agency. What do they offer and is the girls quality? Any experiences to report of anyone?

Rodeo

[Jesi James]

Just a general thanks to all who have assisted in this journey. I just spent the last 85 days in Colombia and I am moving west to Peru again and maybe Ecuador and south and then west to Brazil.

GFE with (non pros) vs pay for play for me. 50 yr old, bald, in shape that speaks intermediate spanish. Mind you, you always tip, at least the local rates for short term for the girls and gifts/tips for their kids as they earn them.

Barranquilla, plenty of GFE, acceptable level of P4P

Bogota, plenty of GFE, lots of P4P

Bucaramanga, mini GFE and acceptable level of P4P

Cali, plenty GFE and plenty of P4P

Medellin, almost 0 GFE and as much P4P that any human man could desire.

Any trip report will fill in the details as far as the weather and the cost. I love Colombia. The women want to be women and they want the man to be a man.

YMMV,

Ciao

[AddictedToWomen]

Medellin, almost 0 GFE and as much P4P that any human man could desire.See you were as impressed with Medellin as I was.

[Solarwind]

I am considering moving down to Medellin (probably the poblado area) for a period of several months. Does anybody know of a good lap swimming pool (25 meters or longer) that you could join for swim workouts.

Thank you for the help.

[Junkyard]

i'll be travelling to medellin in may and want to make sure i bring the proper music with me. music that will help take their clothes off that is! i went to cartagena before and regretted not being able to provide proper music when ask for. you can actually see the disapointment in their eyes! i'm sure this will not only benefit me, but lots of other fellow mongers out there.

i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.

[Gonzo]

wherever you live, begin to listen to the hippest latino station in town, and find out the title of the songs that they play, which will probably be a mixture of latin pop (enrique igelsias, mana, thalia, belanova, gloria trevi, ivy queen, monchy & alexandra, etc), reggaeton (wisin & yandel, rakim & ken y, angel y kris, don omar, calle 13, etc), bachata (aventure, xtreme, etc), salsa (good ol' marc anthony, etc) and other popular forms. to have the latest music is always a good thing, the chicas are often surprised that you're up on the latest stuff, and it is sorta like a form of respect. you can find most of the songs played on the radio if you go to itunes or amazon, except for the absolute most recent stuff. surprisingly you'll find each country has its own set of hits, and many of them seem antiquated.

i make 2 playlists, one with dance and fast beats for dancing and setting a wild mood, and slower beats and love songs for the horizontal dancing in la cama. i now have more music than i know what to do with, and some chicas have asked me to burn them cds.

try to get as many genres as possible to satisfy a large variety of tastes. if you give them something they like, it can really enhance the connection, be it for a short time or long time. the chicas feel like you have a shared interest and are familiar with latin culture - it's another extension of learning spanish to communicate better, imo.

also pickup some good electronica and trance music, some hip-hop, etc from the states, i'm surprised by the # of requests for trance music. also some of the more traditional singers can be useful (ricardo montaner, luis fonsi,carlos ponce, luis miguel and a whole lot more). don't forget shakira and juanes, colombia natives.

now if i could just find the time for salsa lessons.


i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.

[AddictedToWomen]

i'll be travelling to medellin in may and want to make sure i bring the proper music with me. music that will help take their clothes off that is! i went to cartagena before and regretted not being able to provide proper music when ask for. you can actually see the disapointment in their eyes! i'm sure this will not only benefit me, but lots of other fellow mongers out there.

i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.there's real diversity in the musical taste of colombians. many who like valleneto will hate salsa and vice-versa. likewise rockeros and regaton fans. you have to have merrengue in too as well as western disco/pop.

i suggest doing to a street vendor and picking up a few "mas bailables del año" making sure you've got the bases ticked. about 2k a disk, iirc.

[Justafool]

when i go i live the beatles, the who, etc and on my last visit i met a young'un who love the same.

for the most part i find most like bahata and reggeton but to my surprise the oldy queens is really popular amoungst the younger crowd. mostly i stick to my own music and leave myself open if they should choice to listen to something else.

mike


i'll be travelling to medellin in may and want to make sure i bring the proper music with me. music that will help take their clothes off that is! i went to cartagena before and regretted not being able to provide proper music when ask for. you can actually see the disapointment in their eyes! i'm sure this will not only benefit me, but lots of other fellow mongers out there.

i'll be honest and say i am not very up to speed on the music scene. i've heard that these girls like hip-hop and regaton type music? if possible, can someone provide specifics and recommendations? i'm going to bring a small ipod music stand with me to play from my room at the medellin mansion.

[Sean Tdw]

I will be in Medellin during the fashion week. Does anyone have a trip report that's been down there previous years doing that time. Just trying to see what to expect.

[Rodeo9112]

I will be in Medellin during the fashion week. Does anyone have a trip report that's been down there previous years doing that time. Just trying to see what to expect.When is fashion week?

[Johny 99]

The question about using illegal drugs is often taboo in many social circles. It is kind of like partaking in the hobby. You are very careful who you share that info with.

At the risk of being judged by others, I like to smoke me some weed, particularly when I'm dong some fucking. I am planning a trip to Medellin and I am curious what the views are, and the accessibly of recreational drugs. I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, bring drugs into the country. But one report said it was easy to get smoke at the local college campus. I want to have an understanding about what the risks are associating with doing this.

I generally smoke weed and drink alcohol. I hang out with very smart, successful, responsible, and productive people who do the same. But in very special circumstances, I am open to exploring other things. Not sure how this perspective is viewed, from both a personal choice perspective as well as legal perspective. I'm going on vacation to explore new and fun things, so I am trying to take the cultural temperature on this topic. It has not been really explored here on these boards. I don't expect people to reveal any private stories or implicate themselves with illegal activity in any way.

Any and all objective, non-judgmental perspectives would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Steve

PS: I always contribute on public boards, about my mongering experiences. I have never been to Medellin, but if anyone has any questions about New York or Montreal, I have plenty of info to offer. Peace!

[Daves Pison]

I want to put yourself in very hard posotion in Medellin if they catch you have to do hard time in a colombian prison. Colombian laws are very tought don't put yourself in this position even if they offer me any drugs I wouldn't no take it.

Just my 2 cents


The question about using illegal drugs is often taboo in many social circles. It is kind of like partaking in the hobby. You are very careful who you share that info with.

At the risk of being judged by others, I like to smoke me some weed, particularly when I'm dong some fucking. I am planning a trip to Medellin and I am curious what the views are, and the accessibly of recreational drugs. I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, bring drugs into the country. But one report said it was easy to get smoke at the local college campus. I want to have an understanding about what the risks are associating with doing this.

I generally smoke weed and drink alcohol. I hang out with very smart, successful, responsible, and productive people who do the same. But in very special circumstances, I am open to exploring other things. Not sure how this perspective is viewed, from both a personal choice perspective as well as legal perspective. I'm going on vacation to explore new and fun things, so I am trying to take the cultural temperature on this topic. It has not been really explored here on these boards. I don't expect people to reveal any private stories or implicate themselves with illegal activity in any way.

Any and all objective, non-judgmental perspectives would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Steve

PS: I always contribute on public boards, about my mongering experiences. I have never been to Medellin, but if anyone has any questions about New York or Montreal, I have plenty of info to offer. Peace!

[Rodeo9112]

The question about using illegal drugs is often taboo in many social circles. It is kind of like partaking in the hobby. You are very careful who you share that info with.

At the risk of being judged by others, I like to smoke me some weed, particularly when I'm dong some fucking. I am planning a trip to Medellin and I am curious what the views are, and the accessibly of recreational drugs. I would NEVER, and I mean NEVER, bring drugs into the country. But one report said it was easy to get smoke at the local college campus. I want to have an understanding about what the risks are associating with doing this.

I generally smoke weed and drink alcohol. I hang out with very smart, successful, responsible, and productive people who do the same. But in very special circumstances, I am open to exploring other things. Not sure how this perspective is viewed, from both a personal choice perspective as well as legal perspective. I'm going on vacation to explore new and fun things, so I am trying to take the cultural temperature on this topic. It has not been really explored here on these boards. I don't expect people to reveal any private stories or implicate themselves with illegal activity in any way.

Any and all objective, non-judgmental perspectives would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Steve

PS: I always contribute on public boards, about my mongering experiences. I have never been to Medellin, but if anyone has any questions about New York or Montreal, I have plenty of info to offer. Peace! Colombian cocaine funds the FARC terrorists. Period! The same ones that kidnap people and blow shit up all the time. Other insurgencies over time have been funded by outside countries' support, but the FARC has avoided needing outside financial support for one reason and one reason only: cocaine. Not to mention the impact the shit has in our own country. I'm by no means a pillar of morality or anything, as evident by my habit associated with this forum. Make your own decisions of course and, not to judge you personally, but, in my opinion. That's pretty fucked up! Mods, I thought seeking drugs and talk of drug use was prohibited on this forum.

Rodeo

[Ricker]

Colombian cocaine funds the FARC terrorists. Period! The same ones that kidnap people and blow shit up all the time. Other insurgencies over time have been funded by outside countries' support, but the FARC has avoided needing outside financial support for one reason and one reason only: cocaine. Not to mention the impact the shit has in our own country. I'm by no means a pillar of morality or anything, as evident by my habit associated with this forum. Make your own decisions of course and, not to judge you personally, but, in my opinion. That's pretty fucked up! Mods, I thought seeking drugs and talk of drug use was prohibited on this forum.

RodeoI believe the guy was talkin about smoking a little weed, not throwing a coke party and supporting the FARC.

[Menteng]

As this is the GeneralInfo thread, I have a non-sexual question. I'm in Europe now and would like to know with how many litres of alcholic drinks like whiskey or cognac one can enter Colombia without any problem.

[Rodeo9112]

I believe the guy was talkin about smoking a little weed, not throwing a coke party and supporting the FARC.Fair enough and you're absolutely right. My apologies to Johny. I was watching one of those shows about strung out junkies and I guess I misread his post and thought he was talking about coke. I'm not a preacher or anything, just feeling exceptional anti-drugs at the moment I guess.

Rodeo

[Doubt98]

If you want to see the effects of a little recreational drug use that doesn't hurt anyone go to Juarez across from El Paso. Or you can go see the empty shops at Nuevo Laredo because the violence scared away all the day trippers.

I used to smoke me a little weed but Mexico is where 80% of it comes from and those guys are killing each other and anyone who happens to be in there way so we can have us a little weed for recreational use. I'm saying this and ain't no one here enjoyed waking and baking more than I did.

Solution: if you want it, get the government to let us grow our own for personal use. That would make it about a victimless as it gets.

Also, I agree with Rodeo on the coke that he summed up so succinctly.

[Zeekthefreak]

Where would you guys recommend as the destination for a first timer? I am considering the Dominican Republic, Philippines, Colombia, Peru, and Mexico. I am primary looking for the non pro ladies. I am 40, average looking, and my spanish is ok.

[John Gault]

Where would you guys recommend as the destination for a first timer? I am considering the Dominican Republic, Philippines, Colombia, Peru, and Mexico. I am primary looking for the non pro ladies. I am 40, average looking, and my spanish is ok.For non pro's in the spots you are looking at IMHO I would think the Philippines would be a sure bet. Plenty of girls looking to move up in the world. The thing for me would be that the Latin Girls are better looking so it really boils down to what type are you looking for since all these spots have what you need.

[AddictedToWomen]

If it makes it to Bogotá it'll spread like wild fire.

Anyone know if Tamiflu or Relenza are available here, and how to tell if its genuine?

And does this mean that we should be moderating our habits?

[Tiny 12]

Johny, Possession of small quantities of marijuana, cocaine, etc. is legal and they're cheap and readily available, although Uribe's been trying to change that for years:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/the-americas/090401/colombia-another-sort-drug-debate

Personally I don't do illegal drugs for health reasons, and because they're, well, illegal. Other people on this board who live in Colombia and know far more about the country than I do advise against buying drugs there. Even though possession may be legal, you're opening yourself up to extortion from the police.

There's an interesting passage in the book Dangerous Places where the writer, Robert Pelton Young, is visiting with a local jefe in his hotel room in San Andres. Young is dating the guy's daughter, and he remarks how dashing the older man looks while he's pissing into his bathroom sink while combing his hair. Then he goes on to say the old man makes a living by getting his employees to sell drugs to tourists. He doesn't really make any money off of selling drugs, but he has a deal with the local police where they bust the tourists later and then split the profits. This is the kind of thing that I'd be afraid of if I were in your shoes. I don't think you'd go to jail, but you may pay a pretty penny to stay out of jail.

[John Gault]

Johny, Possession of small quantities of marijuana, cocaine, etc. is legal and they're cheap and readily available, although Uribe's been trying to change that for years:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/the-americas/090401/colombia-another-sort-drug-debate

Personally I don't do illegal drugs for health reasons, and because they're, well, illegal. Other people on this board who live in Colombia and know far more about the country than I do advise against buying drugs there. Even though possession may be legal, you're opening yourself up to extortion from the police.

There's an interesting passage in the book Dangerous Places where the writer, Robert Pelton Young, is visiting with a local jefe in his hotel room in San Andres. Young is dating the guy's daughter, and he remarks how dashing the older man looks while he's pissing into his bathroom sink while combing his hair. Then he goes on to say the old man makes a living by getting his employees to sell drugs to tourists. He doesn't really make any money off of selling drugs, but he has a deal with the local police where they bust the tourists later and then split the profits. This is the kind of thing that I'd be afraid of if I were in your shoes. I don't think you'd go to jail, but you may pay a pretty penny to stay out of jail.I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?

[Artisttyp]

I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?Vic,

Unfortunately what he says is very true. Anytime you do drugs you take the risk of dealing with authorities. Jamaica falls into the same category. Meaning it's all over the place and everybody is doing it but it isn't legal.

New york was like that in the 70's. If a cop saw you smoking you would put it behind your back out of respect. When I was 13 yrs old a cop put a nickel bag back into my pocket and told me to scram. These days are different.

Weed is all over Medellin. You will see people smoking it everywhere but they are colombian and we aren't! I went through this conversation many times with locals and they all advised me to stay away from it.

The only place that tolerates it is on the campus of universidad de antioquia. They have a zona libre on the soccer field where it is sold and smoked openly. ONLY because police are not permited (something like that) to come onto the campus. They can however meet you outside.

Mexico is also very similar. It's all over but very illegal. The only haven is amsterdam but the euro keeps me away. Thats really about it. As a gringo you are bribe money if you get caught.

Maybe one day the world will wake up.

[Manizales911]

I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?Because "This Ain't Kansas" and the cops do what they want, with whom they want, whenever they want.

[Tom 33]

I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?You pay to avoid the hassle. I haven't touched drugs or alcohol for 25 years and do nothing illegal, but I have paid as well.

This is Colombia, not Kansas.

[AddictedToWomen]

I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail?You'll only be there whilst they investigate.

Have you seen how slowly an investigation can proceed whilst someone's waiting for a backhander? Have you seen the inside of a Colombian jail? See that big guy over there? He'll be your friend.

You're either a troll or totally naive.

[Tiny 12]

I have heard from many different people that small amounts of pot are legal in Colombia. In your post you say it is legal. I have also heard about the police doing the extortion thing. If it is legal how could you go to jail? Why should you pay to stay out of jail? Vic, Again, I'd defer to people like Tom 33 that actually live in Colombia. But I believe the risk is that they accuse you of selling or trafficking or maybe, say, having 30 or 40 grams of marijuana when you only had 15 grams. (Twenty grams is the limit.) Some opportunistic policeman may see an opportunity to make a buck, and you don't know whether he's bluffing.

An example, I was pulled over for "drunk driving" in Mexico when all I had was one beer an hour or two before he pulled me over. I could have gone in and taken a blood test. The cop told me if I failed I'd be in jail for several days, but he was sure I wouldn't fail, because obviously I was sober. What goes through my mind.- are they going to doctor up the blood test? And is it really worth it to take several hours to go down to the station and get tested when I can just pay him $50?

[Artisttyp]

You're either a troll or totally naive.Vic is a cool guy I've met him. I was hearing conflicting views from different people as well. It depends on who you talk to.

[John Gault]

You'll only be there whilst they investigate.

Have you seen how slowly an investigation can proceed whilst someone's waiting for a backhander? Have you seen the inside of a Colombian jail? See that big guy over there? He'll be your friend.

You're either a troll or totally naive.I worked in a State Prison as a Sgt. for many years.

Who do you think you are calling me names when I ask a question that seemed to interest quite a few people.

[Bango Cheito]

Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".

However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.

Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.

Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.

[Manizales911]

Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".

However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.

Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.

Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.Bc,

If you live in Colombia then you know that it doesn't mean JACK SHIT what the law actually is. If a gringo is seen smoking weed or otherwise caught with a little weed it gives the cops an opportunity to shake him down for some pesos. If you have good command of spanish and have the balls to tell him to f**k off and are willing to spend 24 hours (I'm NOT) in a Colombian jail then knock yourself out. I love to smoke me a little weed once in a while but wouldn't even think of doing so anywhere outside of the USA. In my opinion its just not worth the risk or hassle.

[Artisttyp]

Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".

However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.

Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.

Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.I read your posts alot and I respect your opinions. However IMHO you are leading people in the wrong direction with this one.

I hung out with quite a few local stoners and they all "waffled" when answering the "is it legal" question.

It's around and available so have a good time but DON'T get caught would be better advice.

[Johny 99]

I want to thank everyone for their responses. From what I am gathering, it is not a super dangerous thing to get procure some smoke. (In the Midnight Express sort of way.) However, given the gringo factor, I would want to be extremely discreet and careful. I would not just go up to anyone on the street and ask for it. (If I cultivate a relationship with a local, maybe I can see if they could get me a small legal amount and I can throw them a few bucks for their time.) I would not carry any on me when I go out, etc.

[Daves Pison]

You have fail to understand this issue, is not about been leagal or not. This is about when you cop police arrest you and take to jail, they own you for the rest of your sweet time in a colombian jail. You get charged as a gringo drug dealer, then you are in big trouble. My advise if someone offers you some don't take it. Don't used it. You have no rights in Colombia.


Excuse me but you guys are absolutely dead WRONG. Possession of up to 20 grams of weed is PERFECTLY LEGAL here. This is not Mexico, nor is it NYC. There is a law on the books called "la dosis personal".

However, smoking in front of a cop isn't a good idea here because if the cop is an asshole he or she can take you to the station and hold you for up to 24 hours, and they have been known to do this on occasion. They can NOT throw you in jail or fine you, but they can and sometimes will hold you for 24 hours just to fuck with you, since this is all they are legally allowed to do.

Even worse, if you get on the local cops' radar they will be on you like white on rice spying on you, which is a big deal for those of us who live here of course. This is the same for Colombians and gringos alike.

Those are the cold facts on drugs in Colombia.

[Member #4427]

I met a girl my last time in Colombia, and we hit it off. I am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from Colombia to Mexico. Specifically Cancun. Does anyone know what documents are required to enter Mexico. I am thinking a passport and one of the Mexican Tourist Visa that they pass out on the plane. However I am looking for real world experience.

Also how long does it take for a Colombian to get a passport?

Thanks for any help.

[Professor 1]

i met a girl my last time in colombia, and we hit it off. i am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from colombia to mexico. specifically cancun. does anyone know what documents are required to enter mexico. i am thinking a passport and one of the mexican tourist visa that they pass out on the plane. however i am looking for real world experience.

also how long does it take for a colombian to get a passport?

thanks for any help.go to the embassy of mexico website and clink the consular link. it will provide you with the tourist visa requirements for all countries. i would not wait until you arrive.

[Tom 33]

i met a girl my last time in colombia, and we hit it off. i am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from colombia to mexico. specifically cancun. does anyone know what documents are required to enter mexico. i am thinking a passport and one of the mexican tourist visa that they pass out on the plane. however i am looking for real world experience.

also how long does it take for a colombian to get a passport?

thanks for any help.if a colombiano has a cedula, the passport doesn't take long. if they do not, it can take as long as 2 years or more to get the cedula. a contraseña(the temporary id issued while the cedula is being processed) will not work to get a passport.

i think that colombianos need more than the tourist visa to enter mexico. there are very few countries that colombianos can visit without a formal visa.

[El Culion]

i met a girl my last time in colombia, and we hit it off. i am wondering if anyone has taken a girl from colombia to mexico. specifically cancun. does anyone know what documents are required to enter mexico. i am thinking a passport and one of the mexican tourist visa that they pass out on the plane. however i am looking for real world experience.also how long does it take for a colombian to get a passport?thanks for any help.it might be not as easy as you think (especially if she doesn't have a regular job). she has to apply for a visa at the mexican embassy in colombia, and the requirements to get the visa vary according to your status (employed/unemployed etc.)

lets assume your chica has a job. in that case she'll need to produce various documents such as an employer's certificate, bank statements and a booking confirmation.

if she hasn't got a regular job, forget it.

[Bango Cheito]

Gringos get treated better by police than locals here. Speaking from personal experience. They will fine Colombians for things they let pass with gringos, one time they stopped a bunch of us and searched everybody EXCEPT me.

You are just absolutely wrong on this issue. And YES you DO have rights in Colombia, in fact there are more civil liberties here than the US. The Constitution here is taken VERY seriously. Stop posting misinformation.

I do recommend smoking or snorting or whatever you want to do in private, but that's neither here nor there. The fact is, unless the cops have something else to charge you with they HAVE to let you go after 24 hours, just like in the US. And it has happened to a couple friends, and they DID let them go after 24 hours, they had NO CHOICE.


You have fail to understand this issue, is not about been leagal or not. This is about when you cop police arrest you and take to jail, they own you for the rest of your sweet time in a colombian jail. You get charged as a gringo drug dealer, then you are in big trouble. My advise if someone offers you some don't take it. Don't used it. You have no rights in Colombia.

[Manizales911]

Gringos get treated better by police than locals here. Speaking from personal experience. They will fine Colombians for things they let pass with gringos, one time they stopped a bunch of us and searched everybody EXCEPT me.

You are just absolutely wrong on this issue. And YES you DO have rights in Colombia, in fact there are more civil liberties here than the US. The Constitution here is taken VERY seriously. Stop posting misinformation.

I do recommend smoking or snorting or whatever you want to do in private, but that's neither here nor there. The fact is, unless the cops have something else to charge you with they HAVE to let you go after 24 hours, just like in the US. And it has happened to a couple friends, and they DID let them go after 24 hours, they had NO CHOICE.I wouldn't risk spending 24 MINUTES let alone 24 hours in a Colombian jail just to smoke a little weed but thats just me, to each his own I guess.

[Tom 33]

And YES you DO have rights in Colombia, in fact there are more civil liberties here than the US. The Constitution here is taken VERY seriously. Stop posting misinformation.Jajajajaja! A country with a dysfunctional legal system cannot take anything very seriously. Very few Colombians have any respect for any law. Why do you suppose that is?

Were your attackers taken care of by the law or by vigilantes? A country of vigilantism has no claim to any moral high ground.

So far in Colombia, I have discovered that I have the right to be fucked in the ass by several major corporations including Bancolombia, Coomeva, and Avianca without recourse. Where is this constitution?

[Rock Harders]

Mongers,

I have found the Colombian police in Medellin to be very respectful towards me, and foreigners in general, much more so than police in other Latin American countries I have visited. This past Sunday, en route to Santa Fe de Antioquia, but still on the autopista in the city of Medellin, I was pulled over in my taxi by two police officers on a motorcycle. The had their guns drawn before they got off their motorcycles and pointed them at us and patted us down, and then, realizing we were gringos, asked if we were Colombians, realized they had the wrong people, got on their motorcycles and drove away just as fast as they pulled us over. My buddy in the back seat, a Colombia first-timer with no Spanish ability, almost crapped his pants.

Suerte,

Rock Harders

[Bango Cheito]

Tom, I think you've got your forums mixed up a little, neh? :P

Anyways, your experiences here in Colombia are valid, but so are mine. And I'm having the time of my life here, haven't been fucked in the ass once (although it has been proposed on a couple occasions). I also learned from problems people like you and others have had and REFUSE to get a Colombian bank account, this much is true.

But the fact is I have had many negative experiences in the US and Canada, mostly with banks, tax authorities and immigration. I immigrated legally to the US as I did here and ALWAYS pay and file my taxes and still had loads of problems. I guess maybe the US is a lot easier on people who are not immigrants perhaps.

But as far as civil liberties, that does not include the right to not be fucked in the ass. That's a whole separate issue. Colombia is a lot more dangerous and it's a lot easier to lose money here in many ways, but it's also a lot easier to not wind up in jail here. Just compare the incarceration rates of the two countries.

And the bottom line, la dosis personal is legal, remains legal. Smoking in public is not a good idea for many reasons, but that's also a separate issue.

[Relapse1952]

Has anyone heard of a case by the name of Noche New York anywhere in Colombia.

Thanks,

Relapse

[Client 9]

Jajajajaja! A country with a dysfunctional legal system cannot take anything very seriously. Very few Colombians have any respect for any law. Why do you suppose that is?

Were your attackers taken care of by the law or by vigilantes? A country of vigilantism has no claim to any moral high ground.

So far in Colombia, I have discovered that I have the right to be fucked in the ass by several major corporations including Bancolombia, Coomeva, and Avianca without recourse. Where is this constitution?Tom,

Please stop providing accurate info.

Your realism upsets the Colombia apologists.

[Daves Pison]

Police in Medellin are nice to gringos! Yes they're. But if they catched you with drugs is a different story my friend. This is true as it is. I don't want to give a bad advises but if you are in Medellin don't get in this predicament.

Enjoy paisas all the way.


Tom,

Please stop providing accurate info.

Your realism upsets the Colombia apologists.

[Mer07]

I'm preparing to stay in Colombia 5 months starting this fall and I will visit the country every year for approx. 3-7 months every year. That is the plan.

I have experienced females from Argentina and Perú essentially, but I have also encountered females from Brazil and Colombia.

The difference between porteñas, girls from Buenos Aires, and girls from Bogotá is striking. The colombian females are a little bit prettier, but much more open, as well are their sisters from Brazil. In the interior of Argentina the females are open as well, but the environment is boring. Peruvian girls and their sisters from Colombia are not always serious of course. Porteñas doesn't fell any need to look for a gringo for marriage. Buenos Aires is the capital of Latin America and equals NY/Paris/London. I'm a european farmer in their eyes!

Before getting to a country it is of great value to get to know some interesting girls.

Colombianas are so hot. It seems to them, when I start talking about friendship, they think I'm not serious about a relationship. However, I need female friends as sources of valueable info. In Argentina and Perú this was as important for the success of my travels as ULTRA was for The Allies.

To be cont.

[Client 9]

It seems to them, when I start talking about friendship, they think I'm not serious about a relationship. However, I need female friends as sources of valuable info. In Argentina and Perú this was as important for the success of my travels as ULTRA was for The Allies.You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.

It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.

[Johny 99]

I'm going to Medellin next month for the first time and I don't speak spanish. I downloaded one of those "Learn Spanish in two weeks" types of audio series. I am obviously not going to master the language in such a short time, but I figure it can only help with basic communication.

Obviously, the series will not help with many of the types of phrases one will need when dealing with the girls. I found a thread on Argentina Private which focuses on such phrases. (Here: http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1809 )

It is my understanding, that different spanish speaking countries can have different dialects to one degree or another. My basic question is: Are the spanish phrases from Argentina listed in the link above applicable to Columbia?

[Jesi James]

Opinions, not to be mistaken as gospel. Some truth, some experience, but please don't paint the whole house the same color. Most this and most that? Vague generalizations expected to be treated as fact. I disagree.

Oh, I speak Spanish, have traveled to Colombia, probably 20 times and do not just talk about it on the internet.

They all want a little something in their purse or pocket as the leave. Help me with the movie. We have already determined your business. We are now negotiating your price. I love Colombia. Simple and direct. Bid and offer. Colombian women are not gringas, well most outside of Medellin.

Having fun in Cali. The opinions expressed here are mine.

JES


You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.

It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.

[Client 9]

They all want a little something in their purse or pocket as they leave.False.

There are more than 20 million women in Colombia, and most of them are not prepagos or some other form of prostitute.

[Ricker]

I'm going to Medellin next month for the first time and I don't speak spanish. I downloaded one of those "Learn Spanish in two weeks" types of audio series. I am obviously not going to master the language in such a short time, but I figure it can only help with basic communication.

Obviously, the series will not help with many of the types of phrases one will need when dealing with the girls. I found a thread on Argentina Private which focuses on such phrases. (Here: http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1809 )

It is my understanding, that different spanish speaking countries can have different dialects to one degree or another. My basic question is: Are the spanish phrases from Argentina listed in the link above applicable to Columbia?Though the spanish dialects are very different from Argentina to Medellin, Colombia, the basic Spanish phrases are pretty much the same.

For as good as you're going to get in spanish in 2 weeks, those phrases in The BA thread will be fine.

In Argentina, the use of 'Vos sos' (you are) is used primarily, in Colombia most often used is 'tu eres' (you are).

Though they each understand the other.

The rest is just fine :)

Have fun!

[Ricker]

You need to be careful about using the phrase "amistad" with Colombian women. "Amistad" is often interpreted as meaning you are looking for sex only. You need to say you are looking for a "relacion seria" or they will jump to all sorts of conclusions. Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.

I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.

After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other men.

It is very easy to meet, date and have sex with Colombian women that are not prostitutes. However, you have to push certain buttons. Always say you want a "relacion seria" even if it seems absurdly early to make such a comment.

Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.As the Client here says, if you're trying to schmooze a normal Colombiana, use the 'relacion seria' wording, especially when you're first talking to her.

If you say that you're just looking for 'amistades', it could very easily be understood as looking for lovers.

As you get to know someone better, and gain her confidence a bit, you can more easily say you're looking for an 'amistad' with her and you'll be OK.

You do have to be careful though if you don't want her to get the wrong idea.

PS. Though I don't really know what a 'Colombia apologist' is, I sure hope I'm not one of them. hahaha :)

[Ricker]

False.

There are more than 20 million women in Colombia, and most of them are not prepagos or some other form of prostitute.Matter of fact, plenty of chicas (normal) may take offense to just handing them money when they're leaving ... insinuating.

Of course the pros/semi pros will take as much as you're willing to give.

[AddictedToWomen]

Colombian women are incapable of logic...I think that the word "Colombian" is a tautology.

[Johny 99]

Though the spanish dialects are very different from Argentina to Medellin, Colombia, the basic Spanish phrases are pretty much the same.

For as good as you're going to get in spanish in 2 weeks, those phrases in The BA thread will be fine.

In Argentina, the use of 'Vos sos' (you are) is used primarily, in Colombia most often used is 'tu eres' (you are).

Though they each understand the other.

The rest is just fine :)

Have fun!Thanks for the response! I have this silly image of my self flashing different index cards with pre filled out phrases in spanish on one side, and english on the other, at the girls to communicate.

[El Culion]

Colombian women are incapable of logic and jump to impulsive conclusions all the time.Knowing that I run the risk of turning this into a pissing contest I can’t refrain from reacting to the simplifications you broach.

Your post is brimming over with generalizations, and displays the same know-it-all attitude that you accuse others of.


I have been to four other countries in Latin America, and "amistad" is interpreted normally in all of them. Only in Colombia does an innocent word like "amistad" result in sinister interpretations from the women. And I think it reveals something about Colombian culture.I wonder how good you know Colombia and how many Colombians you have met apart from the women you’ve been with to express such over-confident swagger about Colombian culture.

If you’d looked it up in a Colombian Spanish dictionary such as Dictionario Norma Español, you would have found that the general meaning of ‘amistad’ isn’t any different in Colombia than in the rest of the Spanish-speaking world:
'afecto que une a las personas, 2. personas amigas.’

Probably there’s a simple explanation for your confusion. In Colombia sex ads in many newspapers are posted under the euphemistically termed umbrella caption ‘Amistad.’
After reading this, expect various Colombia apologists to deny this. They are wrong. Most of them don't actually speak Spanish. Most of them don't actually travel to Colombia to meet women, they just talk about it on the internet with other menIt’s nearly 20 years that I have been travelling to Colombia. I lived in Cali and El Quindío for extended periods of time. There are few places in the country that I haven’t been to, and have met and rubbed shoulders with hundreds, maybe thousands, of Colombians.

However, I wouldn’t have the temerity of considering myself an expert on the mentality of Colombian women or Colombian culture like you do. When you’ve met enough Colombians you’ll find that they aren’t the cardboard characters you depict them to be, but as intricate as the people in your part of the world.
Obviously, none of this matters in the case of prepagos and other types of Colombian prostitutes.I can count the P4P encounters that I’ve had in all this time on the fingers of one hand, because Colombian girls are very open and inviting to foreigners. Speak the lingo, learn to dance salsa, look cool and dress sharply, go to Juanchito or Tienda Vieja, or any viejoteca for that matter, and you’ll find that you can easily score more regulars chicas than you can handle.

Get to know Colombianos better and you’ll find that like most people in poor countries all over the world many of them show a picaro, street-wise mentality when it comes to making an easy buck.

One of my friends uses to say ‘para el dinero baila el perro,’ and a joke showing that mentality, and very popular with Colombians, is the one about the daughter who has been abroad and after many years of complete isolation returns home to confess to her dad that she had been working as a high-class prostitute.

He indignantly shows her the door and accuses her of being a disgrace to the family, and tells her never to return.

He’s about to push her out and slam the door in her face when she tells him she can understand his anger and will do as he says, but that the sole purpose of her short visit had been to hand over the title deed of a luxurious bungalow she had bought for him and her mother, the bank pass of the account she had opened in their name with US$500,000 in it, the diamond necklace for her mother, the Rolex watch for him, and the papers of that brand new Porsche Carrere parked in front of the house.

He turns pale and asks her in a quiverring voice to tell him again what she had become. When she repeats ‘prostitute’, he replies:

- ¡Uf! Qué susto, había entendido ¡Protestante!

[Jesi James]

I can see some people doing it exactly like that. But a little discretion, like, here is some taxi money and a little extra to buy your baby, mother, grandmother a little gift for watching the baby. Something along those lines or I saw you looking at that dress, if you really want it go back with your girlfriends and buy it.

Done like this, I have had none pissed at me (over that), given it back, said it was too much or too little and all appreciated the gift. I have dated women of all estradas and professions here in my travels.

But I could see where some would say, oh by the way here is 50 K cop, thanks for fucking me. And those guys deserve what they get.

Just my opinion and my way of helping a friend.


Matter of fact, plenty of chicas (normal) may take offense to just handing them money when they're leaving ... insinuating.

Of course the pros/semi pros will take as much as you're willing to give.

[Bango Cheito]

I live in Colombia, work in Colombia for Colombian pesos and I side with Client 9 on this. It is VERY bad form to wave money in people's faces here. Not only can it get you robbed it really makes people think you are low class. Most non-pros in Colombia wouldn't even dare to ask for taxi money home. The last time I went out on the town with an amigovia here, I payed the cover 10k each and she paid 40k for the bottle before I could even stop her! Girls here who are not interesadas or prepagos want to make it 100% clear that they do NOT need your money, it's a pride thing.

And yes, "amistad" conjures up images of amigovios and amigos con derechos. Fuckbuddies. And most non-pros are looking for at least the POSSIBILITY of something serious, I really don't know why in this day and age but in that aspect they are just as tiresome as the AW.

I get the potential for action ALL THE TIME on my gigs but at least 90% of the girls are looking for a steady boyfriend and lose all interest in you if that's not on the table. I always tell them the truth, that I'm married and in an open relationship and would they be interested in a trio. Not many takers (although the ones that ARE takers are the best in the sack anyways I'm sure).

[Jesi James]

It is VERY bad form to wave money in people's faces here. Not only can it get you robbed it really makes people think you are low class.We are obviously having two different conversations here! I couldn't agree with you more. But if you are referring to any of my statements on this subject, you are completely mistaken. To each his own as our opinions and experiences differ, as do our manners of presentation of gifts to our friends.

Out and done on this subject.

[El Culion]

The last time I went out on the town with an amigovia here, I payed the cover 10k each and she paid 40k for the bottle before I could even stop her!That's exactly my experience!

[Client 9]

Knowing that I run the risk of turning this into a pissing contest I can’t refrain from reacting to the simplifications you broach. Your post is brimming over with generalizations, and displays the same know-it-all attitude that you accuse others of. You are looking for a pissing contest. So why be passive-aggressive about it? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, the primary purpose of this forum is to provide generalizations that simplify the process of chica-chasing.


I wonder how good you know Colombia and how many Colombians you have met apart from the women you’ve been with to express such over-confident swagger about Colombian culture. Enough to know that Colombian women like confident men with a little swagger.


If you’d looked it up in a Colombian Spanish dictionary. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, dictionaries do not attempt to be comprehensive guides to sexual innuendo.


Probably there’s a simple explanation for your confusion. There is no confusion on my part. However, I will point out some more of your confusion. You meant to choose "El Culeon" as your pseudonym, not El Culion. What you are attempting to say is derived from the verb "culear" which means "to fuck" in Colombian Spanish. In turn, the verb culear is derived from "culebra" which means "snake" in Spanish. "Culiar" is a common misspelling for culear. By the way, your choice of pseudonym also does not reflect the humility that you disingenuously self-proclaim.


However, I wouldn’t have the temerity of considering myself an expert on the mentality of Colombian women or Colombian culture like you do. When you’ve met enough Colombians you’ll find that they aren’t the cardboard characters you depict them to be, but as intricate as the people in your part of the world. I can count the P4P encounters that I’ve had in all this time on the fingers of one hand, because Colombian girls are very open and inviting to foreigners. Speak the lingo, learn to dance salsa, look cool and dress sharply, go to Juanchito or Tienda Vieja, or any viejoteca for that matter, and you’ll find that you can easily score more regulars chicas than you can handle. Despite all of your passive-aggressive rambling, it's clear you do consider yourself an expert. Unfortunately, recommendations of a Friday night in Juanchito or a late Sunday afternoon at Tienda Vieja don't establish such expertise. While it is accurate that both locations are very fertile spots for chica-chasing in Cali, it's also true that any American feminist lurking on Colombia forums could very easily have made the same recommendations. What else ya' got, champ?

[El Culion]

You meant to choose "El Culeon" as your pseudonym, not El Culion. What you are attempting to say is derived from the verb "culear" which means "to fuck" in Colombian Spanish.WHAHAHAHA!!!!
http://www.asihablamos.com/?word=culiar
http://www.diccionariolibre.com/definition.php?word=culiar
etc. etc.
In turn, the verb culear is derived from "culebra" which means "snake" in Spanish. "Culiar" is a common misspelling for culear Sorry, wrong again, buddy. It's got nothing to do with "culebra" (culebrar?) but with "culo," hence the occurence of both spellings ;)

‘Nuff said!

[Cool Morris]

Hi Gents,

Has anyone ever done a green card wife swap with a Colombian Babe. Basically you make an arranged marriage until she gets her papers but she gives you all the ass you want in US.

Anyone done this or knows someone who has? It looks like most real marriages end up with divorces from Colombia. So why not lay the cards straight from the very beginning? Any thoughts?

[Ricker]

WHAHAHAHA!!!!
http://www.asihablamos.com/?word=culiar
http://www.diccionariolibre.com/definition.php?word=culiar
etc. etc. Sorry, wrong again, buddy. It's got nothing to do with "culebra" (culebrar?) but with "culo," hence the occurence of both spellings ;)

‘Nuff said!Actually, I believe your dicionary links prove more the Client´s point of view.

Your second link even states that there is no definition for your word ´culiar´,
but who really cares really.

[Neidermeyer]

Hey Guys,

I am planning to spend a few months in Colombia to learn Spanish. And maybe investigate the Colombian woman as well! I'd like to enroll in a Spanish immersion program with a good reputation, but also reasonably affordable. My Spanish is very, very, basic right now so I want to learn as much as possible, as quickly as possible.

I'm having a hard time finding schools online and was hoping you all might be able to provide some advice. I've heard Bogota is the best place to go, but am open to other locations as well. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help!

Neidermeyer

[Johnnywalker1]

I'm a swinger. I live in Santa Marta. I have some friends and we swap girlfriends for the weekend sometimes. With new couples, we chat on the net first. If everyone clicks, we do a swap. If anyone is interested in exchanging information, please send me an IM.

[Daves Pison]

Make sure you give her half of what you own! Beacause colombian ladies are pretty smart. No I never married any colombian girl for paper or just to get the ass. I'll get all the time without getting marry fool. Get you game on. I meet alot of colombian girls that had spoken to me about that american men propose to marry them just for sex instead of asking them out on a date (dinner-dancing-drinking-hot sex all night long) alot cheaper then having to deal with all the drama of marry, lawyers, divorce, maintenance f%& that. Live and learn guy!


Hi Gents,

Has anyone ever done a green card wife swap with a Colombian Babe. Basically you make an arranged marriage until she gets her papers but she gives you all the ass you want in US.

Anyone done this or knows someone who has? It looks like most real marriages end up with divorces from Colombia. So why not lay the cards straight from the very beginning? Any thoughts?

[Chesscat]

http://www.learn4good.com/great_schools/colombia_immersion_spanish_language_courses.htm

Here's one in Medellin. This took me like 60 seconds to find on the internet. I think that most people need a good bit of time to learn to hear and speak well, like maybe a few years. But in addition to a school of this sort, spending lots of time with a spanish-speaking girlfriend is most effective.

[Blourghus]

What is the best way to live in Colombia for a year or two or more - without having fiance, wife, job, property, income, or investments in Colombia? Is it possible to arrange a visa for this? As far as I understand without a visa you can only stay 180 days out of a year.

Also, I was looking at my previous entry stamps. Some are 60 days, some are 15 days, one is only 10 days! But I swear the most recent one says 180 days, although it is hand-written and not entirely legible. Is that possible?

[AddictedToWomen]

What is the best way to live in Colombia for a year or two or more - without having fiance, wife, job, property, income, or investments in Colombia? Is it possible to arrange a visa for this? As far as I understand without a visa you can only stay 180 days out of a year.

Also, I was looking at my previous entry stamps. Some are 60 days, some are 15 days, one is only 10 days! But I swear the most recent one says 180 days, although it is hand-written and not entirely legible. Is that possible?Have you checked with the Colombian Embassy website? Options are listed there.

Unlikely. You don't state your nationality, but assuming you're American IIUC the most they can give you on entry is 60 days. Used to be 90.

[Tom 33]

What is the best way to live in Colombia for a year or two or more - without having fiance, wife, job, property, income, or investments in Colombia? Is it possible to arrange a visa for this? As far as I understand without a visa you can only stay 180 days out of a year.

Also, I was looking at my previous entry stamps. Some are 60 days, some are 15 days, one is only 10 days! But I swear the most recent one says 180 days, although it is hand-written and not entirely legible. Is that possible?No, that is not possible. Under Colombian law, the most you can get upon entry is 90 days. But you usually will get 60.

You will not get any VISA without income/assets or a job in Colombia. I have had 3 Rentista VISAs which require proof of About US$30,000 in cash, bonds or stocks. Those assets can be held in the US.

[Blourghus]

I have had 3 Rentista VISAs which require proof of About US$30,000 in cash, bonds or stocks. Those assets can be held in the US.Thank you - this is precisely what I am looking for. Does this VISA have any other name? I tried Googling and looking at consuladodecolombia.com, but couldn't find any more info. The reference I find to retirement/pensioner visa needs a monthly income, but I could not find "lump sum" equivalent. Any more details/references?

[Malodr]

No, that is not possible. Under Colombian law, the most you can get upon entry is 90 days. But you usually will get 60.

You will not get any VISA without income/assets or a job in Colombia. I have had 3 Rentista VISAs which require proof of About US$30,000 in cash, bonds or stocks. Those assets can be held in the US.How do you go about getting these?

[HenryV]

I frequently monger in Asia, but would like to try Colombia. As a result, I am looking for some general advice, e.g., best city for newbie, hotels (mid range in terms of price $40-50, places) (I prefer the street or strip clubs),prices, etc.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

[Negrofino]

I purchased a comcel phone during my last visit to MDE at the end of January. An amiga mentioned that it might not work when I arrive in July. Is she right? I would hate to have to get another number. Will I have to purchase another sim card or can I just pay a reactivation fee?

[Jesi James]

You do a google or ISG or poorbuthappy or 4 or 5 other searches and wa la, like magic the answer is there. good luck.


How do you go about getting these?

[HenryV]

I am a well traveled Asian mongerer. As a result of a recent trip to Santo Domingo I would like to try Colombia. i

Can you please provice advice regarding

What City a first timer should select?
GF Hotels?
Venues (prefer clubs/street)?
Prices?

Thank you.

[Tom 33]

Thank you - this is precisely what I am looking for. Does this VISA have any other name? I tried Googling and looking at consuladodecolombia.com, but couldn't find any more info. The reference I find to retirement/pensioner visa needs a monthly income, but I could not find "lump sum" equivalent. Any more details/references?All VISAs are issued by MRE: http://www.cancilleria.gov.co:82/wps/portal/espanol/!ut/p/c1/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os_jQsKAwo2AXYwN_Pw8XA08DfyNLl2BzI_cwI6B8JLK8b5CpgVGYj1mgl6uxkYGnGTG6LUzdLEP9DYHyFh6uBkZuPqbGAc7Oxs6O5pToDiak288jPzdVvyA3NDSi3FERAO45gcg!/dl2/d1/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnB3LzZfODVGOVVPMTMwMFVMQjAyRktVUFY5TDMwMw!!/

There is no other name for the Rentista VISA. The Rentista has a provision for showing a monthly income of around US$2500. Since I didn't have any regular income, I asked the Chicago Deputy Consul if I could just show that I had 12 months worth. And he said, fine.

You could also call any Colombian Consulate.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

I purchased a comcel phone during my last visit to MDE at the end of January. An amiga mentioned that it might not work when I arrive in July. Is she right? I would hate to have to get another number. Will I have to purchase another sim card or can I just pay a reactivation fee?No, it will work but your minutes will be expired, they expire after 30 days. Check it when you get off the plane.. when you try to make a call the voicemail will say you need to add minutes,, and if it does? you are golden.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

A question for those who are using Pingo to call Colombia. I have used Pingo for about 2 years and have never had a problem with them, but for the past two months I have not been able to complete about 95 percent of my calls, as the party I am calling cannot hear me, but I can hear them when they answer hello. I have continuously notified Pingo of this problem, spoken to supervisors at the company on the telephone, but all I get is they will send a fix it ticket to there technical staff. I know Pingo is quite popular with people calling Colombia from the United States, so I am curious if others are having the same problem?

In advance thank you for posting about your experiences with this company and the problem I am experiencing.I have been using Pingo for about 3 years and have no problem and good quality lines. Also check into Skype as well. They have a new call Colombia land lines for $5 a month.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

I have been speaking to several girls from different internet dating sites that feature Colombian girls. I am finding so many of them want me to meet there parents when I come to visit them. Is this something common with the Colombianas, as I have not experienced this previously? I find this rather uncomfortable, since I am in my later 40's and they are in there very early 20's, and students in universities. I have found they also need there parents permission to spend the nights with me, and this is one of the reasons why they want me to meet there parents.

Any imput anyone can add to this will be greatly appreciated!Any respectable girl will have you meet her parents upon arrival, it shows respect on your behalf and her behalf as well. This is the norm and a very common occurance and you should be eager to meet them.. it all shows you have good intentions no matter what they might be.. If you dont meet them, this shows lack of respect and that you are hiding something.

The age difference is normal and somewhat accepted but usually a little closer in gap.

Any "good" girl will NOT sleep with you right away..If she does she is most likely a bad girl or even a prepago. What do you mean needs permission to spend nights with you? Do you mean to go out at night? or spend the whole evening with you? No parents of a girl from a "GOOD" family will give you their blessing for their daughter to spend the night with you until AFTER you have established a serious boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. Until then, you might be looking at her sneaking out to see you if she was to sleep over.

[Blourghus]

There is no other name for the Rentista VISA. The Rentista has a provision for showing a monthly income of around US$2500. Since I didn't have any regular income, I asked the Chicago Deputy Consul if I could just show that I had 12 months worth. And he said, fine.Thanks again for the info, Tom 33. I just hope showing the 12 months in cash was not exception they made for you, but is regular practice and can be duplicated by anyone.

I also did some more research and found the Student Visa also - you just sign up for Spanish class or something, which is cheap, and you can get visa, maybe only a few months but you can keep renewing it.

Also of this is in addition to 180 days free, so there are definitely lots of ways to get into Colombia. Best resources seems to be PBH, search for Visa on there and you can all sorts of info.

[Chido]

No, it will work but your minutes will be expired, they expire after 30 days. Check it when you get off the phone.. when you try to make a call the voicemail will say you need to add minutes,, and if it does? you are golden.Comcel minutes expire after 30 days only if you purchase 20000 or fewer pesos of time. If you buy 30000 they have a 60 day expiration and I think there are even longer expiration periods if you buy more.

[John Gault]

A question for those who are using Pingo to call Colombia. I have used Pingo for about 2 years and have never had a problem with them, but for the past two months I have not been able to complete about 95 percent of my calls, as the party I am calling cannot hear me, but I can hear them when they answer hello. I have continuously notified Pingo of this problem, spoken to supervisors at the company on the telephone, but all I get is they will send a fix it ticket to there technical staff. I know Pingo is quite popular with people calling Colombia from the United States, so I am curious if others are having the same problem?

In advance thank you for posting about your experiences with this company and the problem I am experiencing.Three nights ago I had the same problem. I even tried using a different phone and it was still no good. As a rule I am still quite happy with Pingo.

[Aussie Greg]

Hey Milo,

You can spend more than $100,000 USD on *****s and apply for a investment visa mate.

Aussie G.


How do you go about getting these?

[Muff01]

A question for those who are using Pingo to call Colombia. I have used Pingo for about 2 years and have never had a problem with them, but for the past two months I have not been able to complete about 95 percent of my calls, as the party I am calling cannot hear me, but I can hear them when they answer hello. I have continuously notified Pingo of this problem, spoken to supervisors at the company on the telephone, but all I get is they will send a fix it ticket to there technical staff. I know Pingo is quite popular with people calling Colombia from the United States, so I am curious if others are having the same problem?

In advance thank you for posting about your experiences with this company and the problem I am experiencing.I use mystar123 it's about the same rate as pingo with no connection fee. You can register any phone number from were you are calling from (landline or cellphone) and just dial one of there access numbers and then the number you want to call. There is no pin number to enter once you register a number.

I have been using this for almost 4 years and had no problems with it. You can go to any metro pcs phone store and get this service or go to mystar123.com.

[Bango Cheito]

I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.


Any respectable girl will have you meet her parents upon arrival, it shows respect on your behalf and her behalf as well. This is the norm and a very common occurance and you should be eager to meet them.. it all shows you have good intentions no matter what they might be.. If you dont meet them, this shows lack of respect and that you are hiding something.

The age difference is normal and somewhat accepted but usually a little closer in gap.

Any "good" girl will NOT sleep with you right away..If she does she is most likely a bad girl or even a prepago. What do you mean needs permission to spend nights with you? Do you mean to go out at night? or spend the whole evening with you? No parents of a girl from a "GOOD" family will give you their blessing for their daughter to spend the night with you until AFTER you have established a serious boyfriend/girlfriend relationship. Until then, you might be looking at her sneaking out to see you if she was to sleep over.

[Gonzo]

nicholas krsitof is one of the editorial writers in the ny times, and much of his writings are based upon his travel experience. on sunday, he presented a bunch of tips for improving travel safety, most obvious, some you may not think of. here is his list of 15. the entire article can be found at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/opinion/31kristof.html?_r=1

**************

in response, here are 15 tips for traveling to even the roughest of countries — and back:

1. carry a “decoy wallet,” so that if you are robbed by bandits with large guns, you have something to hand over. i keep $40 in my decoy wallet, along with an old library card and frequent-flier card. (but don’t begrudge the wallet: when my travel buddy was pickpocketed in peru, we tried to jump the pickpocket, who turned out to be backed by an entire gang ... )

2. carry cash and your passport where no robber will find it. assuming that few bandits read this column, i’ll disclose that i carry mine in a pouch that loops onto my belt and tucks under my trousers.

3. carry a tiny ski lock with a six-foot retractable wire. use it to lock your backpack to a hotel bed when you’re out, or to the rack of a train car.

4. at night, set a chair against your hotel door so that it will tip over and crash if someone slips in at 4 a.m. and lift the sheet to look for bloodstains on the mattress — meaning bed bugs.

5. when it gets dark, always carry a headlamp in your pocket. i learned that from a friend whose hotel in damascus lost power. he lacked a light but was able to feel his way up the stairs in the dark, find his room and walk in. a couple of final gropes, and he discovered it wasn’t his room after all. unfortunately, it was occupied.

6. if you’re a woman held up in an isolated area, stick out your stomach, pat it and signal that you’re pregnant. you might also invest in a cheap wedding band, for imaginary husbands deflect unwanted suitors.

7. be wary of accepting drinks from anyone. robbers sometimes use a date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) drug to knock out their victims — in bars, in trains, in homes. if presented with pre-poured drinks, switch them with your host, cheerfully explaining: “this is an american good luck ritual!”

8. buy a secondhand local cell phone for $20, outfit it with a local sim card and keep it in your pocket.

9. when you arrive in a new city, don’t take an airport taxi unless you know it is safe. if you do take a cab, choose a scrawny driver and lock all the doors — thieves may pull open the doors at a red light and run off with a bag.

10. don’t wear a nice watch, for that suggests a fat wallet and also makes a target. i learned that lesson on my first trip to the philippines: a robber with a machete had just encountered a japanese businessman with a rolex — who now, alas, has only one hand.

11. look out for fake cops or crooked ones. if a policeman tries to arrest you, demand to see some id and use your cell phone to contact a friend.

12. if you are held up by bandits with large guns, shake hands respectfully with each of your persecutors. it’s very important to be polite to people who might kill you. surprisingly often, child soldiers and other bandits will reciprocate your fake friendliness and settle for some cash rather than everything you possess. i’ve even had thugs warmly exchange addresses with me, after robbing me.

13. remember that the scariest people aren’t warlords, but drivers. in buses i sometimes use my pack as an airbag; after one crash i was the only passenger not hospitalized.

14. if terrorists finger you, break out singing “o canada”!

15. finally, don’t be so cautious that you miss the magic of escaping your comfort zone and mingling with local people and staying in their homes. the risks are minimal compared with the wonders of spending time in a small village. so take a gap year, or volunteer in a village or a slum. and even if everything goes wrong and you are robbed and catch malaria, shrug it off — those are precisely the kinds of authentic interactions with local cultures that, in retrospect, enrich a journey and life itself.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.Bango I only spent a weekend in Bogota but in MDE and CLO it is very common and widespread but usually only within the Colombianos.. I Do and many other gringos thinks its gross when you see that alot in Parque Lleras in MDE(fat old sandal wearing gringos 50's-60's) but anybody in their right mind knows right away what time it is and says "grillas" or "prepago" so whos foolin who here? lol

[Jesi James]

So all you men out there that don't want to be COOL, remember do not date girls in the university. Wait until they have 3 kids and no father to support them and then you can date them. Oh wait, that isn't Colombia, that is gringalandia. Me, I elect the university girls, and I hope to help a few more through their studies.


I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.

[Rodeo9112]

I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.Please God tell me that 32 isn't middle aged!?

Rodeo

[AddictedToWomen]

Please God tell me that 32 isn't middle aged!?

RodeoIt is. Sorry.

[Ricker]

I dunno about the age differences being so acceptable. Maybe it depends on the city but here in Bogota it is NOT cool to date a girl still in university when you are middle aged.That's funny :)

My life became much more UN-complicated when I stopped worrying what others thought was COOL or NOT COOL.

[Astrolounge]

It is. Sorry.What?

32 middle age? I dont think so, I am 29 and I think that maybe 40-45 would be middle age. If you look old enogh to be her dad, thats not good.

Of course, try not to take out one that looks 15! and always ask for ID.

[Mer07]

I'm 40. Mostly, 90%, who are interested in me are much younger. Maybe they think in terms of maturity and/or money. Guapas +30 are seldom interested in me. Today a 19y-o made contact with me. I prefer this compared how it is at homebase.


What?

32 middle age? I dont think so, I am 29 and I think that maybe 40-45 would be middle age. If you look old enogh to be her dad, thats not good.

Of course, try not to take out one that looks 15! and always ask for ID.

[Ricker]

Please God tell me that 32 isn't middle aged!?

RodeoDude, age is a factor only if you let it be, no matter what others may say.

Just do your thing and have fun!

[World Travel 69]

I guess you have not left HOME YET?


What?

32 middle age? I dont think so, I am 29 and I think that maybe 40-45 would be middle age. If you look old enough to be her dad, thats not good.

Of course, try not to take out one that looks 15! and always ask for ID.

[John Gault]

I use Pingo for calling So. America and just picked up Magic Jack for my laptop. My question is when I am in Colombia can I use magic jack to call citys in Colombia,via pingo? The reason I would want to do that is it would mask where I was calling from plus I could call from my room and all my numbers are already programed in Pingo. I think it would also be cheaper than using a local cell phone.

Has anyone done this?

Thanks in advance for any input

[SrLengua]

Good morning fellow travelers,

I have two quick questions: Does anyone know what the current exit tax is when departing Colombia (Cartagena)??

I will assume that if you have a layover in Panama City, Panama that you
(obviously) must go through customs and immigations, but after that do you
have to go to baggage claim, pick up your luggage, re-check it, then go through security again, or, is your luggage placed on the connecting flight to CTG with out having to go through all that mess?

Thank you for your input.

SrLengua

[LocoGringo]

Ireally believe that it is important and politically correct to not be with chicas that are less than 1/2 your age. Sooooooooo, I used to always have 2 that would add up to more than 1/2, ahhhhhhh, 3 that come close in total. Anybody that wants to be politically correct can sit with the old fart club and take inventory of why they are better, prettier and only are here to better the world. I am a lifelong member of the SLUTS club, actually a proud senior member at this time. I can't afford any mnore dating clubs, falling in love is bankrupting me.

[Rodeo9112]

It is. Sorry.Nice try at trying to keep me away! I know 32 isn't middle aged, I was being facetious (sp?). Mostly everyone (male and female) I meet, think I am like 25-26; that can have its advantages and disadvantages.

Middle aged is a state of mind in my opinion. If your swag (swagger: game, self-confidence) is at its peak, it doesn't matter what your age is. As long as you carry yourself with a certain aire, keep yourself looking good physically, and stay sharp mentally, you can pull any woman -- even if she has a man, even in the US.

Turn your swag on!

Rodeo

[Bango Cheito]

You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.

[Daves Pison]

IN medellin if you stay more then 60 days you paid the taxes.... and for the luggage I NEVER PACK MORE THEN WHATEVER i can take on muy carry on luggage so i don't have to deal with check in bags or wait at the terminals.


Good morning fellow travelers,

I have two quick questions: Does anyone know what the current exit tax is when departing Colombia (Cartagena)??

I will assume that if you have a layover in Panama City, Panama that you
(obviously) must go through customs and immigations, but after that do you
have to go to baggage claim, pick up your luggage, re-check it, then go through security again, or, is your luggage placed on the connecting flight to CTG with out having to go through all that mess?

Thank you for your input.

SrLengua

[Jesi James]

Because he said it, it is so. I hate to be biting to this. This is one persons opinion. You cannot tell me MOST uni girls opinion in Bogota or any other place in Colombia. You can tell me of the ones you know and have asked and have contact with.

Tell me some facts about what the men are paying for the gold diggers?

Opinions y assumptions. Please do a report about how you are paying pennies on the dollar to what we are paying. I don't recall telling you what I am paying.

Bango, you offer your opinion. It is not GOSPEL. You cannot speak for every lady in Colombia. Please do not try. You cannot speak for every lady in Bogota. Please do not try.

If you want to speak of hechos, with your close friends in Bogota, please make it clear that your friends are as closed minded as the gringas in los. Ee. Uu.

I personally have found a completely different attitude and acceptance here in Colombia.

Ah, but, I don't measure my success by my KILL ratio.

Thank you for your opinion, but it is not fact.

Rickers. I love the life less complicado

Bango, give us a report on the wiskerias for pennies, that is if you know what I am paying. Please enlighten me.

No aceptas basura en tu vida. Ni mentiras.

Ciao

JJ


You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.

[Mer07]

Young females with 10-20 years older men, we also have here in the first world, even though not so common. I personally know two bright and goodlooking girls who have older boyfriends-and this girls can both practically choose the man they want! In second and third world countries this is more accepted, but with it follows a economic responsibility which young men can not provide. The young females are full of hormones and wants to get a secure familylife, not to be left alone in poverty by a unemployed youngster. People understand that.

Some girls would never consider getting an older man, that is for sure. My own perspective on age is that this; I'm 40 and I'm having trouble finding goodlooking 35 y-o colombians because they look for older well established men. I would prefer such a company more, but it's much easier for me to find a 25 y-o!


You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.

[Ricker]

You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.Funny! You must be hanging out in a different Colombia than I am.

My plate is full of sweet young Colombianas and it seems everyday I meet a new one.

Gold diggers, nope. Overpay, jamas

Good luck

[Goga Fung]

You guys can think whatever you want, but it's just going to hurt your own kill ratio. No skin off my nose. I'm just telling it like it is. Most university age girls in Bogota would think it's gross to be dating a guy in his 30s or 40s. Of course if you don't mind getting a real gold digger and overpaying, you shouldn't have a hard time. :P but me personally if I just want to bang some tight 20 year old, I'll go to the whiskeria and pay pennies on the dollar what you are paying.Are you talking about Colombia or USA?

I do not think that the actual number of years matters so much (unless it's USA with all it's fucked up mentality and laws). How you look and behave is more important. And of course when you have a job and money, that compensates for extra years.

One 18 y.o. student in Medellin was asking me to be her BF. I'm in my mid 30s'. As someone here said "middle aged", whatever that means:) But sometimes people think I'm about 25, when they do not see my gray hair, also in a good physical shape.

According to this girl, a 30+ y.o. guy is normal for a 18 y.o. girl. She said that I'm actually very young. So dating a guy almost twice her age is considered pretty normal at least by some girls. So if you're 50, a 25 y.o. girl should be just about right for you:)

On the other hand once I talked to one 18 y.o. American girl, she freaked out when learned about my age. It's not that she did not like me so much, it was mostly because she was scared what others would think if they know my age.

Suerte

[Astrolounge]

I guess you have not left HOME YET?How did you know?? In my country (Peru) it is tradition to leave home when married but I will do it soon as I see no wedding near.

[Bango Cheito]

I vastly prefer Colombia over the USA, but in some areas women are the same all over.

The idea that 18 year old girls PREFER to be with 30+ guys instead of university age guys for any other reason than money is just an ILLUSION. There may be exceptions, but the rule of thumb is the same as it is anywhere else on earth.

If you are just into screwing these girls, that's fine. If you start to buy their line, it's your funeral if you're wrong.

As for my report history, it's not that hard to search. I've given plenty good advice on here.

[Goga Fung]

I vastly prefer Colombia over the USA, but in some areas women are the same all over.

The idea that 18 year old girls PREFER to be with 30+ guys instead of university age guys for any other reason than money is just an ILLUSION. There may be exceptions, but the rule of thumb is the same as it is anywhere else on earth.

If you are just into screwing these girls, that's fine. If you start to buy their line, it's your funeral if you're wrong.

As for my report history, it's not that hard to search. I've given plenty good advice on here.Dude,

Where did this "but the rule of thumb" came from? And why does it have to be the same everywhere on the earth?

I actually know so many examples, that I come to a conclusion that there is no any rule!

- There are many couples in the USA where the woman is older(sometimes much older) than the man. BTW I was told in Colombia there are also many cases like that.

- There are also many couples of exactly the same age.

- And now to break all the "rules" and kill our "theories" we have been trying to develop here:

I have one friend in the USA. He is illegal, broke, does not have money for an apartment or anything else, except buzz to get fucked up.

He is now 38y.e. But he looks and behaves much younger then his age.

His first wife was 19 when he was 35. Now he has his second wife who is also 19. he also fucks her 21 y.o. sister. I actually cannot recall any girl over 21 of those who were with him.

For me it does not make any sense how in the hell he gets those girls and what their logic behind their actions. I could spend $$$ and money dating a girl, with a pretty slim chance to get something good out of it. (value for money and time spent) The guy simply does not give a shit, he has nothing to lose, and the girls do not expect much from him.

Now try to apply any of the "rules" or theories to this. It's not a single case, its been a number of girls who preferred to date/marry/fuck this much older broke guy.

The girls actually always had a choice to be with much younger guys and with guys with money. for some reason they hang out with the guys almost twice older than them, who is broke. The 21y.o. chick gives him a ride. And her parents are buying them a car so they can finally drive.

So now how can one generalize and try to predict what inside of every girl head?

From different examples i would say there is no rules. Your age is not the number of years, it's how you feel, look and behave. and this is what probably a girl will think about you.

And similarly I would feel about the girls. In general I would prefer a younger girl, but if an older girl is more beautiful and nicer than younger, than I would prefer an older one. Who cares about the number of years?

[Ricker]

I vastly prefer Colombia over the USA, but in some areas women are the same all over.

The idea that 18 year old girls PREFER to be with 30+ guys instead of university age guys for any other reason than money is just an ILLUSION. There may be exceptions, but the rule of thumb is the same as it is anywhere else on earth.

If you are just into screwing these girls, that's fine. If you start to buy their line, it's your funeral if you're wrong.

As for my report history, it's not that hard to search. I've given plenty good advice on here.Again, very funny. Like the culture is the same everywhere.

And what are you talking about with the 'it's your funeral if you're wrong'?

You obviously have had some bad luck with younger chicas, but it's really pretty common these younger chicas hangin with older dudes.

About every Colombianita I speak with is tired of the young Colombianos, and they'd love to have an older, but cool novio.
If they're telling you that they don't dig older guys, well maybe it's because they're not diggin the older guy they're talking too :)

Can't even believe it's being debated really.

We're talking about Colombia not Omaha, Nebraska, aren't we? :)

[Bango Cheito]

That's why it's a rule of thumb, it doesn't apply in all cases.

Hopefully it wont in mine either!

[Bango Cheito]

That's why it's a rule of thumb, it doesn't apply in all cases. Hopefully it doesn't apply in mine either. I really like this girl.

[HoleRanger]

Those of you that have met nice women in Colombia but had doubts about her status? (pro/non-pro/normal etc.) What were some of the methods you used without destroying her trust to check up on her. My last trip to Medellin, I met up with a woman I met online. We went on two dates between my visits to MP's, SC's etc. I never made a move on her as my gut told me to take it slow. After the second date, she came back to my apartment and we just talked for about 2 hours.

She did not act like a pro but I always play it safe, my trust has to be earned. We had a great time, she never asked for anything and she accepted some Victorias Secret lotion and wash after 3 attempts to give it to her.

We have stayed in contact since February, she emails me 1-2 x's a week telling about her job and home life. Hey, I don't live in Colombia so I don't know if she
is being honest or clever. So to those of you that have been in the same position, how did you handle it?

I'am no rookie and have met many women during my escapades in different countries. This is the first one I met, that made me pause...hmmm!

I will be back in Medellin in about three weeks and she really could be a keeper? Whatever that means:)

Enjoy!

[Rover2]

Home News News 13 die in fights with FARC

13 die in fights with FARC

Saturday, 30 May 2009 08:21 Adriaan Alsema

An offensive by the FARC in different places in Colombia Friday left eight members of the security forces and five guerrillas dead and one government official kidnapped by guerrillas.

Five soldiers and five guerrillas died when the FARC attacked an army squadron in the Meta dpeartment, close to the border with the Guaviare department. Several soldiers were injured in this combat.

The army says it is still trying to catch the guerrillas that attacked the army troops.

In Huila, three men died when guerrillas attacked the town of Garzon and attacked one of the city's council members. According to official sources, the guerrillas were planning a massive kidnapping of local representatives, but were stopped by the guards.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

What is the best part in colombia for girls with white skin and black hair?El Choco and Buenaventura has ALOT of black hair.

[Que Rico]

Those of you that have met nice women in Colombia but had doubts about her status? (pro/non-pro/normal etc.) What were some of the methods you used without destroying her trust to check up on her. My last trip to Medellin, I met up with a woman I met online. We went on two dates between my visits to MP's, SC's etc. I never made a move on her as my gut told me to take it slow. After the second date, she came back to my apartment and we just talked for about 2 hours.

She did not act like a pro but I always play it safe, my trust has to be earned. We had a great time, she never asked for anything and she accepted some Victorias Secret lotion and wash after 3 attempts to give it to her.

We have stayed in contact since February, she emails me 1-2 x's a week telling about her job and home life. Hey, I don't live in Colombia so I don't know if she
is being honest or clever. So to those of you that have been in the same position, how did you handle it?

I'am no rookie and have met many women during my escapades in different countries. This is the first one I met, that made me pause...hmmm!

I will be back in Medellin in about three weeks and she really could be a keeper? Whatever that means:)

Enjoy!Just my two cents- I have met around 8 online regulars chicas in 3 different countries and anytime I asked your question in a sex tourist board I was blitzed with overwelming response's that the girl is a puta and she only wants gain from me. SO asking that question here is a mistake BUT. Fortunately you have MY response!

You want to find out what her motives are? Your instincts are telling you to be carefull you don't want to be taken for a sucker!

I know the feeling. The fact she resisted the lotion is a good thing! She hasn't asked for "help" (money) that is good too. A big red flag is they are always talking about how poor they are, no money for school, and food and cell phone. I'm sure you know about that stuff being a monger.

How do you find out without destroying her trust? Ask her! Yep ask her how does she feel about what happend to your friend jose when his colombian amiga asked him for money for her bills. Ask her if she ever though about living in the USA (I assume thats where your from)

My friend the biggest mistake I ever regretted was being nice to girls on dates, I have been on 30 dates with 3 different latinas here in NY and never got a kiss. Why? Because I'm being nice and waiting. Blah blah. GO FOR IT MAN make the move and if she dosent reciprocate then you know the deal. Life is too short to waste your time on stories with a bad ending. I hope I helped.

QR

[HoleRanger]

I know the feeling. The fact she resisted the lotion is a good thing! She hasn't asked for "help" (money) that is good too. A big red flag is they are always talking about how poor they are, no money for school, and food and cell phone. I'm sure you know about that stuff being a monger.

How do you find out without destroying her trust? Ask her! Yep ask her how does she feel about what happend to your friend jose when his colombian amiga asked him for money for her bills. Ask her if she ever though about living in the USA (I assume thats where your from)

QRAll good points, after the first month of our ongoing communication, I told her I was only communicating because she never asked for anything. Never talks about the need of money for anything, she does tell me about work which takes a lot of her time and energy. She did say she wants to stay in Colombia with her family but you never know? I will step lightly.

Thanks for the comments.

Enjoy!

[Client 9]

Like most of the eternal debates on Colombia forums, there is some truth to both sides of the debate about age differences and Colombian women.

For most guys on this forum, the debate is pointless. Each Gringo in Colombia has his own particular preferences and priorities. Some prefer prostitutes, some prefer prepagos and some prefer "normal" women. Most guys on this forum focus on prostitutes. You can shoot caged lions at any age. Age differences are irrelevant with prostitutes.

The water starts to get a little murkier with prepagos. Prepagos are simply a subcategory of prostitutes that have the ability to be selective. Some prepagos are more selective than others.

In the case of "normal" women, age is definitely a factor. However, it is only one factor. Furthermore, age is not nearly the most important factor.

The biggest obstacle to having a "serious" relationship with a "normal" Colombian woman is stigma. Colombians assume (often justifiably) that a Gringo in Colombia is desperate. This assumption is the biggest disadvantage of travel to Colombia.

If you go to many Latin American countries, there is diverse tourism in those countries. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign business travelers. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreigners traveling as a family. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign female travelers.

Most foreign tourists in Colombia are men, and most of those foreign men are traveling alone. Most foreign tourists in Colombia are not there to learn Spanish, visit ancient ruins, go surfing, etc. So why are the Gringos in Colombia?

If you were Colombian, what would you assume? Desperation (real or assumed) is not attractive to women.

Therefore, worrying about age is not productive. Find your balls, and develop some genuine self-confidence. I have seen countless Colombian men old enough to be my father dating Colombian women young enough to be my daughter. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.

Likewise, I have seen fat Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen short Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen bald Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. And so on and so forth. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.

In the interest of clarity, however, age is a factor. Some Colombian women do not consider age a factor, but most do.

Colombian women are experts at telling men what they want to hear. If a Colombian woman says age is not a factor, this usually means it is not a factor in your particular case. Maybe you are tall whereas many Colombian men are short. Maybe you have blond hair whereas most Colombian men have dark hair. Maybe you have light eyes whereas most Colombian men have dark eyes. Maybe you are educated and interesting whereas most Colombian men are uneducated. Maybe you are financially successful whereas most Colombian men are not.

Outside of Colombia in other countries of Latin America, I usually see Gringos with women that are more attractive than the average woman in those countries. Colombia is the exception. Colombia is the only place I have been in Latin America where I consistently see Gringos with women that are less attractive than the average woman in Colombia. Of course, this further reinforces the stereotype among Colombians that Gringos (or at least Gringos in Colombia) are desperate.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Relapse1952]

He Gang,

Anyone here have a list of the cases and strip joints in Periera.

Thanks,

Relapse

[John Gault]

I use Pingo for calling So. America and just picked up Magic Jack for my laptop. My question is when I am in Colombia can I use magic jack to call citys in Colombia,via pingo? The reason I would want to do that is it would mask where I was calling from plus I could call from my room and all my numbers are already programed in Pingo. I think it would also be cheaper than using a local cell phone.

Has anyone done this?

Thanks in advance for any inputYes I can use Magic to call to So. America when I am there and it works. It costs for the call, but it comes out as my USA number.

On another note calls to and from the USA while in So. A merica are free . All you need is an internet connection.

[Bango Cheito]

It's not hard to get laid with a university age girl here. It's only if you want to see her on the reg then things get complicated.

Normally I don't have any serious relationships with women under 25 or so. I wanted to make an exception in this case with a 20 year old. It didn't work, but I don't know how much honestly age had to do with it. The fact that I have two kids back in the US probably didn't help much either.

[Cool Morris]

Have any of you gents ever married a Colombian woman (for real or for just benefits)?

Would you care to share some of your experiences?

I am currently talking with a nice lady from Colombia. I am seriously thinking about it and I wanted to know what the marriage experience was like with a Colombian?

I don't plan to have children if I get married and most of my assets can't be touched during a divorce.

Thanks

[Daves Pison]

Nobody cares. Get it! Nobody marries colombianas when you can get laid for free without marry then. Your question should be. How can I get laid with a colombiana without having to marry them? With that we can give you many advises mr coolmorris. If you seriously thinking about marry this girl JUST DO IT! Stop asking us for advise or perhaps that's your only game to talk to colombianas about marriage then you get notice. I'll be in Medellin next month for la feria your are welcome to come get some lessons how to play this game. But if you still want to get marry to your colombiana then fine. But watch out my friend your neighbor might be bangging her and you would not have a clue about it. Yes he will be getting your benefits of you hard earn marry Colombiana.


Have any of you gents ever married a Colombian woman (for real or for just benefits)?

Would you care to share some of your experiences?

I am currently talking with a nice lady from Colombia. I am seriously thinking about it and I wanted to know what the marriage experience was like with a Colombian?

I don't plan to have children if I get married and most of my assets can't be touched during a divorce.

Thanks

[AddictedToWomen]

Have any of you gents ever married a Colombian woman (for real or for just benefits)?

Would you care to share some of your experiences?

I am currently talking with a nice lady from Colombia. I am seriously thinking about it and I wanted to know what the marriage experience was like with a Colombian?

I don't plan to have children if I get married and most of my assets can't be touched during a divorce.

ThanksTend to agree I'm afraid: wrong site. But in all honesty someone else's experience won't be yours anyway. And geralisations are always wrong :)

Rule #1: if you have any doubts, don't do it.

[MJG Dogs]

Pretty much covers all bases.

[Pixelpirata]

I have met a super beautiful 20 year old who wants to travel. We plan to go to San Andrés. She is so perfect that I hardely believes it´s true!

This young female is so sexi that she easily could be a famous model.

Of course, I feel that a big surprise might occur!

But I like the idea- it´s dangerous!

I will keep you guys informed.

If it happens, it might become the experience of a lifetime!

[AddictedToWomen]

Friend of mine wants to do commercial photos using some of the girls here.

Anyone got any idea what's the legal age the girls can do that at? Maybe its the same as for commercial sex work?

[Manizales911]

MJG dogs,

I decided to become a member here yesterday, after having posted on several other boards for years, including the Costa Rica board you are a member of. I also met you many years ago at the Del Rey, when you tried to proposition me for sx in one of your drunken states, and was asked to leave the premisis. I was just another in a long line of people you have done this to. I also see you are harassing members just like on the other boards you are apart of, but never posting any actual reports. Some things never change. For other members here I lived in Costa Rica for quite some time on a long term work assignment, but returned to live in Fontainebleau, France after my contract was completed. I am thinking of making a trip back to Costa Rica for old times sake in September, but am strongly considering making a first trip to Colombia instead of Costa Rica, because I really like the look of the Colombian girls. Medellin sounds like a good starting point. The only drawback is my lack of being able to speak spanish, but it seems many others have been in my situation from what I have read, and do quite well. Considering staying at "My Place" operated by Frank Casio. His reports and pics are awesome. The draw back is it does not have a place that is similar to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, which is alot of fun.You lived in Costa Rica "for quite some time" and you don't speak any spanish? No offense sir but what did you do while you were there,live under a rock?

[MJG Dogs]

Very clever Flying Frenchman.

Maybe you should stay in the Del rey with your drunkin buffoons.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

I have met a super beautiful 20 year old who wants to travel. We plan to go to San Andrés. She is so perfect that I hardely believes it´s true!

This young female is so sexi that she easily could be a famous model.

Of course, I feel that a big surprise might occur!

But I like the idea- it´s dangerous!

I will keep you guys informed.

If it happens, it might become the experience of a lifetime!Wow this is so enlightening! One of the best posts of the year!

[JazzPlayer]

MJG dogs,

I change. For other members here I lived in Costa Rica for quite some time on a long term work assignment, but returned to live in Fontainebleau, France

but am strongly considering making a first trip to Colombia instead of Costa Rica, because I really like the look of the Colombian girls. Medellin sounds like a good starting point. The only drawback is my lack of being able to speak spanish, but it seems many others have been in my situation from what I have read, and do quite well. to the Del Rey in Costa Rica, which is alot of fun.Costa Rica is for bottom feeders that can't learn. MDE is for smart people. It is hard to believe you lived and worked in CR fro "quite some time" and did not learn Spanish, sheesh, these are latino countries, after all. IF you do not speak Spanish you can still have a good time in MDE, but you will have a much better experience if you can speak with people.

Chau,

Jazz in MDE

[El Minetero]

Of course, it helps to speak Spanish. You could try to take a quick course before you come, get some basics. Get a French/Spanish dictionary and carry it with you everywhere you go. You don't need a pickup line. Being a traveler and French is enough for initial interest.

There's an old joke: The English fuck with their cock, the French fuck with their face'. WOMEN HERE LOVE TO HAVE THEIR PUSSY SUCKED. I have a 'regular' girl who comes to see me about twice a week when she wants to be fucked. I can't keep my mouth off her shaven pussy. She's no help at all, doesn't even try to resist. I think she abuses the fact that I'm addicted to oral sex.

Sometimes I feel so used.

Women are very approachable. Smile at a woman if you make eye contact, if she smiles back, go and talk to her, about anything. Tell her you're new to the area. Ask her how to say something in Spanish, where something is, if she will have a coffee with you. Very quickly they will take over the conversation as they love to have someone listen to them.

If you're into pros, Medellin is the place. If you want to game normal girls, you might want to get out where there aren't so many gringos, and you're a person of interest. I live in one of the other cities in the Zona Cafetal, and I only know one other gringo. I see a few from time to time. It's not a tourist town.

Anything specific I can help you with, just ask.

El Minetero

[AddictedToWomen]

You lived in Costa Rica "for quite some time" and you don't speak any spanish? No offense sir but what did you do while you were there,live under a rock?Bit odd for a Frenchman. Usually it's us gringos who live in a place for years without ever learning more of the language then "beer" and "wh*re". Welcome to the English-speaking world FF! )

[Manizales911]

Good day Mr. Manizales,

Let me clarify part of my post that dealt with my ability to speak spanish. I have a knowledge of the spanish language that could get me by in Costa Rica, but I am not so sure about Colombia. There is also quite abit of english spoken in Costa Rica so I was able to get by. French is my native language as I spent most of my life in France, but do speak english very well. I also took a basic spanish course quite a few years ago, which I was reimbursed for by the company I am employed with. I was originally scheduled to go and work in Venezuela, but when our contract was could not be agreed upon, I accepted a position with our company that brought me to Costa Rica, where I resided for 18 months.

This is where I came in contact with MJG dogs, as he used to come into the Del Rey, and that is where he would get drunk, and proposition men, including myself. That is a fact. More than once he was asked to leave for this behavior. He also created many arguments on the Costa Rica board I belong to, always wants to argue and insult others, but provide no information. Very wierd man, even talks to himself.

As I posted in my previous post, I am considering a trip to Colombia, and I am here to research the information, because this site contains much more information than the other forums I belong to. If I feel after doing my research that I will not have a good time in Colombia, I will go and visit old friends in Costa Rica, so it is a win win holiday for me. I am really interested in Medellin, because of the reports and pictures posted my Mr. Frank Casio, who has a rental property called "My Place", which I am sure every reader of the forum knows about. I am sorry I did not clarify that I do have spanish speaking skills, but they are very basic and limited. Enough to get by in Costa Rica, but I am hoping to see how they workout in the country of Colombia for my 3 week holiday.OK now that you clarified I would recommend brushing up as much as you can on your limited spanish skills, buy a pocket dictionary and book your flight to Medellin because CR sucks (in a bad way) compared to the city of eternal pussy.

[El Minetero]

For non-sex insights on Colombia, read www.gringos.com.

Jackson, I sometimes refer people from there to ISG, so it's mutually beneficial.

El Minetero

[Mikele]

Hey guys,

I'm new to the board, but this subject doesn't appear to be discussed much. Does anyone have any experience with the local escort sites (e-extasis, lafeemme, afroditasyangeles, etc.? Some of the escort profiles seem to good to be true. Be it Beijing or Montreal, my limited experience mongering has found that it's typically the case. But you never know! ? ! I'll be visiting Bogota and Medellin for the first time soon and would like to see the best of what Colombia has to offer. I'll be staying in some of the big hotels and I'll be working often so I don't have much time to monger around in shopping malls. I speak basic to fair level Spanish. Any suggestions for Bogota or Medellin are much appreciated.

Thanks in advance guys! Great forums BTW!

[Daves Pison]

Read the reports and you'll find the answer to your questions.


Hey guys,

I'm new to the board, but this subject doesn't appear to be discussed much. Does anyone have any experience with the local escort sites (e-extasis, lafeemme, afroditasyangeles, etc.? Some of the escort profiles seem to good to be true. Be it Beijing or Montreal, my limited experience mongering has found that it's typically the case. But you never know! ? ! I'll be visiting Bogota and Medellin for the first time soon and would like to see the best of what Colombia has to offer. I'll be staying in some of the big hotels and I'll be working often so I don't have much time to monger around in shopping malls. I speak basic to fair level Spanish. Any suggestions for Bogota or Medellin are much appreciated.

Thanks in advance guys! Great forums BTW!

[Professor 1]

Friend of mine wants to do commercial photos using some of the girls here.

Anyone got any idea what's the legal age the girls can do that at? Maybe its the same as for commercial sex work?Personally, regardless of the law, I would not go near anyone under 18. Moreover, I would take a copy of the ID for my records.

[Spiros Katas]

Hello! Iam planning to travel to Colombia in October. Its gonna be my first time. I would like to know which is the best destination for me Bogota or Medellin! I would like to know also some informations about friendly visitors hotels and in general what is hapening with the giilrs, prices and places to go. I am asking all the above because iam going to travel alone andi want to get as much information as I can.

Thanks in advance

[FireWalker]

Personally, regardless of the law, I would not go near anyone under 18. Moreover, I would take a copy of the ID for my records.Everyone here is required to have a cedula at age 18. No cedula, not of age.

[Ricker]

Everyone here is required to have a cedula at age 18. No cedula, not of age.I think all chicas are required to lose their cedulas at least once and go thru the pain in the ass process of getting a replacement.

So really your rule doesn't always hold true.

[Tiny 12]

Hey guys,

I'm new to the board, but this subject doesn't appear to be discussed much. Does anyone have any experience with the local escort sites (e-extasis, lafeemme, afroditasyangeles, etc.? Some of the escort profiles seem to good to be true. Be it Beijing or Montreal, my limited experience mongering has found that it's typically the case. But you never know! ? ! I'll be visiting Bogota and Medellin for the first time soon and would like to see the best of what Colombia has to offer. I'll be staying in some of the big hotels and I'll be working often so I don't have much time to monger around in shopping malls. I speak basic to fair level Spanish. Any suggestions for Bogota or Medellin are much appreciated.

Thanks in advance guys! Great forums BTW!Four or five years ago almost all the photos of hot looking women on Bogota escort web sites were fakes, or at least that's what I got from reading through cataresco.********.com before my last trip. I haven't been following this recently, but take a look there or catadoresdeescorts.********.com. I'm assuming these sites aren't considered competitors to ISG since they're in Spanish and only deal with Colombian escort web sites-- if they are, apologies to the Administrator.

[Admin]

I'm assuming these sites aren't considered competitors to ISG since they're in Spanish and only deal with Colombian escort web sites-- if they are, apologies to the Administrator.Hi Tiny 12,

You are correct.

Please feel free to re-post these website addresses with the letter spaced out so that the forum's editing software doesn't "asterisk out" the name.

Thanks,

Jackson

[Tiny 12]

Please feel free to re-post these website addresses with the letter spaced out so that the forum's editing software doesn't "asterisk out" the name.

The newer site is catadoresdeescorts. b l o g s p o t dot com. The older site is cataresco. b l o g s p o t dot com. Taking a quick look at the new site, supposedly solitasparati, niisha, flirtbogota, and complicevip have real photos. I only saw a review of one of the three sites on Mikele's list, e-extasis. The guy ordered a woman with massive breasts and the hooker who showed up was flat as a pancake. He had previously ordered another woman from the same site who was acceptable, but he doesn't say whether she was the one in the photo.

[Otown51]

Documentary on Caracol.

http://www.caracoltv.com/producciones/informativos/septimodia/articulo144385-colombia-uno-de-los-destinos-favoritos-del-sexoturismo

[El Culion]

Documentary on Caracol.

http://www.caracoltv.com/producciones/informativos/septimodia/articulo144385-colombia-uno-de-los-destinos-favoritos-del-sexoturismoThe link provided is just an announcement of the broadcasting time of the documentary (Sunday after the News).

The actual documentary can be watched here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnHDWS4Ff8

I watched it and must say its just a sensational report without any substance.

[Spiros Katas]

Where I can find informations for Colombia action? I ll go October and I ll be newbie, who city must choose. Bogota or Medellin? Someone more experienced can give me his lights?

[Pixelpirata]

To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.

Poverty is reality and if you can escape that-it's worth much.

It's a very socially stratified society and it seems in their nature to show-off a lot when a person have something special. Being with a gringo is a positive thing. Latin men, latin countries are nothing. France! A boyfriend from france- that is something! (example)

Gringos are desperate, but colombianas so much more. Their desperation is not just for getting good sex- it's about survival!


Like most of the eternal debates on Colombia forums, there is some truth to both sides of the debate about age differences and Colombian women.

For most guys on this forum, the debate is pointless. Each Gringo in Colombia has his own particular preferences and priorities. Some prefer prostitutes, some prefer prepagos and some prefer "normal" women. Most guys on this forum focus on prostitutes. You can shoot caged lions at any age. Age differences are irrelevant with prostitutes.

The water starts to get a little murkier with prepagos. Prepagos are simply a subcategory of prostitutes that have the ability to be selective. Some prepagos are more selective than others.

In the case of "normal" women, age is definitely a factor. However, it is only one factor. Furthermore, age is not nearly the most important factor.

The biggest obstacle to having a "serious" relationship with a "normal" Colombian woman is stigma. Colombians assume (often justifiably) that a Gringo in Colombia is desperate. This assumption is the biggest disadvantage of travel to Colombia.

If you go to many Latin American countries, there is diverse tourism in those countries. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign business travelers. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreigners traveling as a family. In Colombia, there are relatively few foreign female travelers.

Most foreign tourists in Colombia are men, and most of those foreign men are traveling alone. Most foreign tourists in Colombia are not there to learn Spanish, visit ancient ruins, go surfing, etc. So why are the Gringos in Colombia?

If you were Colombian, what would you assume? Desperation (real or assumed) is not attractive to women.

Therefore, worrying about age is not productive. Find your balls, and develop some genuine self-confidence. I have seen countless Colombian men old enough to be my father dating Colombian women young enough to be my daughter. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.

Likewise, I have seen fat Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen short Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. I have seen bald Colombian guys with young and beautiful Colombian women. And so on and so forth. If Colombian guys can do it, then so can you.

In the interest of clarity, however, age is a factor. Some Colombian women do not consider age a factor, but most do.

Colombian women are experts at telling men what they want to hear. If a Colombian woman says age is not a factor, this usually means it is not a factor in your particular case. Maybe you are tall whereas many Colombian men are short. Maybe you have blond hair whereas most Colombian men have dark hair. Maybe you have light eyes whereas most Colombian men have dark eyes. Maybe you are educated and interesting whereas most Colombian men are uneducated. Maybe you are financially successful whereas most Colombian men are not.

Outside of Colombia in other countries of Latin America, I usually see Gringos with women that are more attractive than the average woman in those countries. Colombia is the exception. Colombia is the only place I have been in Latin America where I consistently see Gringos with women that are less attractive than the average woman in Colombia. Of course, this further reinforces the stereotype among Colombians that Gringos (or at least Gringos in Colombia) are desperate.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Golfinho]

To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.

Poverty is reality and if you can escape that-it's worth much.

It's a very socially stratified society and it seems in their nature to show-off a lot when a person have something special. Being with a gringo is a positive thing. Latin men, latin countries are nothing. France! A boyfriend from france- that is something! (example)

Gringos are desperate, but colombianas so much more. Their desperation is not just for getting good sex- it's about survival!Age NOT a factor. Know who you are, and what you want. You only get what you play for. One thing: whether you have kids or not seems to be more important to them than how old you. You get qualified on your ablility to support your mujer.

[JazzPlayer]

OK now that you clarified I would recommend brushing up as much as you can on your limited spanish skills, buy a pocket dictionary and book your flight to Medellin because CR sucks (in a bad way) compared to the city of eternal pussy.This is so correct. CR is the worst of the worst compared to MDE. And there are a lot of beautiful women and people in CR. In fact the Costa Ricans are delightful, but San Jose, CR, is the worst city, disorganized, dirty, relatively poor food, dangerous, and there is only the gulch.

In MDE, the city is organized, clean, excellent food, safe compared to CR, there are a bazillion things to see and do besides look for chicas, and the Colombianas in CR, come from here. The crowd that loves CR, please stay there.

Chau,

Jazz in MDE

[AddictedToWomen]

To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.Well maybe. But I doubt that many gringos in MDE have as much money as some of the locals, so I'm not sure this argument holds water.

[Eros74]

....In MDE, the city is organized, clean, excellent food, safe compared to CR, there are a bazillion things to see and do besides look for chicas....Hi Jazz, please may I ask you, what exactly is possible to do besides look for chicas in Medellin?

Cause I have to decide between MDE and Cartagena in beginning of new year and more than one friend told me, MDE have better and cheaper girls, but so far as I am looking for to have the feeling of real holiday, beach, swimm in ocean, get tanned, so Cartagena maybe is better choice for me.

I am also worrying about what to do exactly in MDE besides chica?

Thanks a lot ;)

[Bango Cheito]

1) Escort services in Bogota, just like anywhere else on Earth, often bait and switch. A better strategy is to make friends at a whiskeria and get the numb er for take-out and/or later outcall.

2) The legal age of consent in Colombia is 14, 18 to be a sex worker. However you can be charged with a lesser charge of "estupro" if the girl is under 18. Fake cedulas can be gotten cheaply. Caveat emptor.

3) Speaking as a gringo who lives here full time, being a gringo is NOT all it's cracked up to be. You'll certainly get laid more than the average Colombian guy, but in terms of long term relationships it's something Colombianas actually take flak for. If anybody tells you different they are lying through their teeth, usually behind some ulterior motive. My current wife took a LOT of flak from her family before they finally accepted us, and that's not the only example I know of.

[Bango Cheito]

This is so spot on. In general, be VERY careful about buying that line of "the girls will do anything to get out of poverty". ESPECIALLY when ALL of Colombia means "poverty" to you in your limited understanding of the place!

The LAST thing you want to be in in this country is in the role of Captain Save-A-Ho. It's like smoking crack, but worse for you!


Well maybe. But I doubt that many gringos in MDE have as much money as some of the locals, so I'm not sure this argument holds water.

[Gary Groundwork]

To have a gringo boyfriend is prestige. It shows that men are willing to pay huge amounts of money to be with you. Girls that don't attract gringos are less worth on the market. Gringos have money and the most beautiful one's go for them.

Poverty is reality and if you can escape that-it's worth much.

It's a very socially stratified society and it seems in their nature to show-off a lot when a person have something special. Being with a gringo is a positive thing. Latin men, latin countries are nothing. France! A boyfriend from france- that is something! (example)

Gringos are desperate, but colombianas so much more. Their desperation is not just for getting good sex- it's about survival!Bullshit

The most beautiful girls in Medellin couldn't give a fuck about gringos. They are with rich colombians, narcos etc etc

The only girls that a desperate for a fat, ugly, rich, middle aged gringos are the poor girls from the barrios. Who use the desperate loser gringos (that can't get laid anywhere else in the world) for their money.

Being with a gringo is not looked upon as prestige anymore. In fact it is fast becoming looked down on. Prepago labelling etc etc

If you think the most beautiful women in Medellin want a gringo you're pissing up a drain pipe.

[Thair9999]

I am planning a week long trip this month to Columbia, and can't make up mind about which city from following to visit. Any suggestions. I will post detail report once I get back, I promise.

Medellin
Bogota
Cali
Cartagena

[JazzPlayer]

Hi Jazz, please may I ask you, what exactly is possible to do besides look for chicas in Medellin?

Cause I have to decide between MDE and Cartagena in beginning of new year and more than one friend told me, MDE have better and cheaper girls, but so far as I am looking for to have the feeling of real holiday, beach, swimm in ocean, get tanned, so Cartagena maybe is better choice for me.

I am also worrying about what to do exactly in MDE besides chica?

Thanks a lot ;)Sounds like you like the beach so forget MDE, unless you like waterparks and there is a great one just north of MDE.

In my first four trips here I never did anything but look for chicas and do casas. So saying that you better stick to Tungs List and be done with it or just go to the beach.

I like the Metro and Metro Cable, but I get off and walk around _some_ barrios. I like Santa Elena to buy flowers for my apartment have lunch and take in the views of MDE below, Sabaneta for delicious wood-fired oven chocolo and meat of any kind. I love to hang out in the parks meeting new people and saying hello to other passers-by, eating green papaya with salt and limon, all the while drinking a cold beer. I enjoy the Jardin Botanico very much. I take novias there for lunch and time well spent. There is an exhibition of 100 Picasso works in Museo de Antioquia, that's very cool. I love going to the mercado majorista and minorista in the morning when there are a bazzilion people crowding into the place selling the most incredible volume and array of fresh produce and meat I have ever seen. I like walking around El Centro with the buzz of people everywhere. I like Asados 80 for great steak and any Mondongo's for, what else, mondongos. I really like reading El Colombiano and drinking cafe tinto in the morning at virtually any place outdoors. I like the free concerts in the parks and the artisans that come in to virtually every park on the weekends to sell their goods. I like taking the day trip to Santa Fe Antioquia and hanging out in old colonial style. I even like Parque Explora because the exhibit explainers are often really intelligent and often female. I love to go the Obilisk and watch futbol and drink beer when DIM is playing in the Estado and lastly I like to dance with the chicas on La 70 but not recently because of the mess of construction there.

Que mas?

That's a lot and you can meet interesting people all the while.

Chau,

Jazz in MDE

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[JazzPlayer]

I am planning a week long trip this month to Columbia, and can't make up mind about which city from following to visit. Any suggestions. I will post detail report once I get back, I promise.

Medellin
Bogota
Cali
CartagenaWow. Uh, that would be Colombia you are planning to visit. You may want to consider San Jose, Costa Rica ;-). It's easier to spell.

Chau from MDE,

Jazz

[Ricker]

Sounds like you like the beach so forget MDE, unless you like waterparks and there is a great one just north of MDE.

In my first four trips here I never did anything but look for chicas and do casas. So saying that you better stick to Tungs List and be done with it or just go to the beach.

I like the Metro and Metro Cable, but I get off and walk around _some_ barrios. I like Santa Elena to buy flowers for my apartment have lunch and take in the views of MDE below, Sabaneta for delicious wood-fired oven chocolo and meat of any kind. I love to hang out in the parks meeting new people and saying hello to other passers-by, eating green papaya with salt and limon, all the while drinking a cold beer. I enjoy the Jardin Botanico very much. I take novias there for lunch and time well spent. There is an exhibition of 100 Picasso works in Museo de Antioquia, that's very cool. I love going to the mercado majorista and minorista in the morning when there are a bazzilion people crowding into the place selling the most incredible volume and array of fresh produce and meat I have ever seen. I like walking around El Centro with the buzz of people everywhere. I like Asados 80 for great steak and any Mondongo's for, what else, mondongos. I really like reading El Colombiano and drinking cafe tinto in the morning at virtually any place outdoors. I like the free concerts in the parks and the artisans that come in to virtually every park on the weekends to sell their goods. I like taking the day trip to Santa Fe Antioquia and hanging out in old colonial style. I even like Parque Explora because the exhibit explainers are often really intelligent and often female. I love to go the Obilisk and watch futbol and drink beer when DIM is playing in the Estado and lastly I like to dance with the chicas on La 70 but not recently because of the mess of construction there.

Que mas?

That's a lot and you can meet interesting people all the while.

Chau,

Jazz in MDE

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Hey Jazz,

I have to agree with you that Medellin does have more to offer than just chasing the chicas, however, for the typical gringo visitor, the chicas chasin' will be 99% of their trip.

First of all, to really enjoy mixing it up with the locals, just hanging out in parks, dance clubs, outdoor cafes, etc, etc, a guy really has to be able to speak spanish, and not just 'buenos dias', 'tu eres bonita' basics.

Secondly, a guy must have a bit of an adventurous, outgoing spirit which it seems you have.

Honestly, for most guys, it's hit the casas, grab a bite to eat, hit the strip clubs and/or prepagos, sleep and repeat the following day with sometimes a little variation. Maybe the ever-exciting visit to Mangos.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just typical.

Cartagena may offer a bit more for the beach lover type, however, as guys that have been there know, it's no beach paradise.

If ya love the beach and sexy chicas, Brazil is the place to be.

Good luck amigos.

[Thair9999]

Thanks, JazzPlayer for English lesson. You must be in politics, because you just solved a non-existing problem. Again thanks for your input.


Wow. Uh, that would be Colombia you are planning to visit. You may want to consider San Jose, Costa Rica ;-). It's easier to spell.

Chau from MDE,

Jazz

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Bullshit

The most beautiful girls in Medellin couldn't give a fuck about gringos. They are with rich colombians, narcos etc etc

The only girls that a desperate for a fat, ugly, rich, middle aged gringos are the poor girls from the barrios. Who use the desperate loser gringos (that can't get laid anywhere else in the world) for their money.

Being with a gringo is not looked upon as prestige anymore. In fact it is fast becoming looked down on. Prepago labelling etc etc

If you think the most beautiful women in Medellin want a gringo you're pissing up a drain pipe.Couldn't have said it any better myself.. "Being with a gringo is not looked upon as prestige anymore. In fact it is fast becoming looked down on. Prepago labelling etc etc" This part especially!

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Hi Jazz, please may I ask you, what exactly is possible to do besides look for chicas in Medellin?

Cause I have to decide between MDE and Cartagena in beginning of new year and more than one friend told me, MDE have better and cheaper girls, but so far as I am looking for to have the feeling of real holiday, beach, swimm in ocean, get tanned, so Cartagena maybe is better choice for me.

I am also worrying about what to do exactly in MDE besides chica?

Thanks a lot ;)Here here! Somebody once told me that the Botero museum is nice for about 5 minutes.

Jajjaja lol

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Hey Jazz,

I have to agree with you that Medellin does have more to offer than just chasing the chicas, however, for the typical gringo visitor, the chicas chasin' will be 99% of their trip.

First of all, to really enjoy mixing it up with the locals, just hanging out in parks, dance clubs, outdoor cafes, etc, etc, a guy really has to be able to speak spanish, and not just 'buenos dias', 'tu eres bonita' basics.

Secondly, a guy must have a bit of an adventurous, outgoing spirit which it seems you have.

Honestly, for most guys, it's hit the casas, grab a bite to eat, hit the strip clubs and/or prepagos, sleep and repeat the following day with sometimes a little variation. Maybe the ever-exciting visit to Mangos.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just typical.

Cartagena may offer a bit more for the beach lover type, however, as guys that have been there know, it's no beach paradise.

If ya love the beach and sexy chicas, Brazil is the place to be.

Good luck amigos.Ditto,

See, my day is pretty much. Wake up, eat, hit some casas for some serious banging, walk around, eat, then nap, arrange NON PROS for the evening. I can really concentrate on schmoozing and keeping my spanish and game at the highest levels. I don't need to be aggressive and the ladies will think I am the non pretentious nice guy. If I do happen to get something out if it besides brownie points, Its just all gravy!

[Alcapon39]

Is there a Colombian site similar to craigslist?

[Zing23]

Is there a Colombian site similar to craigslist?there are several sites like craigslist outside the usa. for example:

http://www.mundoanuncio.com/zona/colombia_12.html

Zing

[Errol Flynn]

Is there a Colombian site similar to craigslist?You might try: colombia.en.craigslist dot org

It's "similar".

[Jack4765]

Does anyone have info on Armenia, such as hotels, clubs chicas etc.?

[Pixelpirata]

Why this nervous outlook?

Of course colombianas wants to get a rich gringo.

Of course it matters how you look, it always does.

How many rich colombians are there? 10? 100? Out of x-millions!

Gringos with a young fresh girl have always been viewed with sceptism, but who cares?

It's a competition between girls to get the best deal- for life!

Pretty one's get's rich boyfriends, colombians or extranjeros, the other's get nothing but trouble, the normal state for most colombians.

[El Cubanito]

Which of these two cities have better girls?

Cali or Cartagena? I am a water guy so Cartagena is more appealing to me. This will be my first trip to Columbia and I am planning which city to hit. I am fluent in Spanish and do have monger game, Since I have been in DR and Cuba.

Any input is much appreciated and you can PM if you like.

El Cubanito

[Dw1987]

Cartagena there are pretty much all pros,Cali the casas suck except for one.Cartagena is better for pay for play.Cali there are non pros hot looking ones looking for gringo husband .Calis casas suck because the rich drug lords pretty much have most of them{the good looking ones} and the others leave the country.

JMHO

[Golfinho]

Why this nervous outlook?

Of course colombianas wants to get a rich gringo.

Of course it matters how you look, it always does.

How many rich colombians are there? 10? 100? Out of x-millions!

Gringos with a young fresh girl have always been viewed with sceptism, but who cares?

It's a competition between girls to get the best deal- for life!

Pretty one's get's rich boyfriends, colombians or extranjeros, the other's get nothing but trouble, the normal state for most colombians.Don't forget the category "pretty, but stupid." You see a good share of those working with a couple of kids before the age of twenty.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

Which of these two cities have better girls?

Cali or Cartagena? I am a water guy so Cartagena is more appealing to me. This will be my first trip to Columbia and I am planning which city to hit. I am fluent in Spanish and do have monger game, Since I have been in DR and Cuba.

Any input is much appreciated and you can PM if you like.

El CubanitoFirst time get your feet wet in CTG, then when you feel comfortable and feel ready to tackle a very unstable city.. maybe hit Cali but go with somebody experienced if applicable.

[Chido]

Which of these two cities have better girls?

Cali or Cartagena? I am a water guy so Cartagena is more appealing to me. This will be my first trip to Columbia and I am planning which city to hit. I am fluent in Spanish and do have monger game, Since I have been in DR and Cuba.

Any input is much appreciated and you can PM if you like.

El CubanitoThis is funny. What is monger game? Dressing in shorts and sandals with white socks at night and overpaying?

[El Cubanito]

To everybody who responded to my question on this board.

Chido, if I have to explain to you what is having game or monegr game, then you will not have a clue as to what I am talking about. But I will be nice and give you a response. Childo, having game is the ability to get a girl to give her body to you and you have yor way with her with virtually not paying or having to pay very little. Does this mean that I do not pay or give anything to the girl for the session I have with her? No, I do pay her but ussualy I WHAT I want to give her. I have been to other destination with guys from this board and these guys have given there life savings to these girls. At the end these girls will not respect you because they are getting over on you. Trust me I have heard it a thousand time.

To the other guys I get the picture, Cartagena would be better, but Cali has more non-pros. Thank you guys.

BTW, MiamiHeatLuv is Cali any different than saying walking around New York City? Cause that is the feeling that I get that Cali. One wrong turn in New York and you are in a very fuck up neighborhoods within seconds.

[Golfinho]

To everybody who responded to my question on this board.

Chido, if I have to explain to you what is having game or monegr game, then you will not have a clue as to what I am talking about. But I will be nice and give you a response. Childo, having game is the ability to get a girl to give her body to you and you have yor way with her with virtually not paying or having to pay very little. Does this mean that I do not pay or give anything to the girl for the session I have with her? No, I do pay her but ussualy I WHAT I want to give her. I have been to other destination with guys from this board and these guys have given there life savings to these girls. At the end these girls will not respect you because they are getting over on you. Trust me I have heard it a thousand time.

To the other guys I get the picture, Cartagena would be better, but Cali has more non-pros. Thank you guys.

BTW, MiamiHeatLuv is Cali any different than saying walking around New York City? Cause that is the feeling that I get that Cali. One wrong turn in New York and you are in a very fuck up neighborhoods within seconds.For a man with "Monger Game" there's no place in Colombia where you won't thrive. Don't limit yourself to sitting on a barstool in LDV, which good as it is, it'll get boring after about 4 nights.

[MJG Dogs]

This is funny. What is monger game? Dressing in shorts and sandals with white socks at night and overpaying?That is funny as hell Chido and in so many cases so true. I think they get that look from the Del Rey in Costa Rica. add the fake folex and the cowboy boots an you have the perfect storm

[El Cubanito]

For a man with "Monger Game" there's no place in Colombia where you won't thrive. Don't limit yourself to sitting on a barstool in LDV, which good as it is, it'll get boring after about 4 nights.Man, I will use this place as a last resort. But that is not what I am looking for. Am I looking for a chick that if I go down on her most likely has had your dick where I am about to put my mouth? I do not put myself under any illusion that the girl I have next to me is some Virgin. But I will know she will most likely have not been fuck by 3/4 of the population that has visited Cartagena. With that said I donot know the landscape of Cartagena and what I will find. But being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.

Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.

Let me ask you something my man? Do you have a regular girl in Colombia, because I have my regular girl in Cuba and in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. I am just trying to expand my pussy collection.

El Cubanito

[Dw1987]

I doubt it Fase II Loutron the Mansion is lot better than LDV.

[Ricker]

... being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.

Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.Pretty damn easy to figure out really. Your first sign will be when they ask for money or gifts. :)

The fun of LDV is when you actually get a chica to dig ya a bit and she becomes free or close to it, and / or you pay her whatever you feel.

I have learned to ALWAYS follow my sixth sense for figuring out these chicas. Seperating the hard-core from the sweeties.

As we all should know; if they're not friendly and loving outside the bedroom, it's almost always worse in the bedroom.

Have fun.

[MiamiHeatLuver]

To the other guys I get the picture, Cartagena would be better, but Cali has more non-pros. Thank you guys.

BTW, MiamiHeatLuv is Cali any different than saying walking around New York City? Cause that is the feeling that I get that Cali. One wrong turn in New York and you are in a very fuck up neighborhoods within seconds.That is totally correct. Even in the nicer areas like granada had 2 gringos robbed almost right in front of their apartment. The robbers know were the money lies. It is almost a street per street basis. Even now going a little north like the OCTAVA and 22? Where all the bitches and shemales hang out. I heard they are harassing and even mugged prospective johns. Just like NYC, Downtown MIami, etc etc. You know the deal.

[Manizales911]

Man, I will use this place as a last resort. But that is not what I am looking for. Am I looking for a chick that if I go down on her most likely has had your dick where I am about to put my mouth? I do not put myself under any illusion that the girl I have next to me is some Virgin. But I will know she will most likely have not been fuck by 3/4 of the population that has visited Cartagena. With that said I donot know the landscape of Cartagena and what I will find. But being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.

Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.

Let me ask you something my man? Do you have a regular girl in Colombia, because I have my regular girl in Cuba and in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. I am just trying to expand my pussy collection.

El CubanitoHow in the hell do you know if a girl you just met in a city of a country you just arrived at hasn't banged everyone in town? The answer is you can't,especially in Colombia,these girls are MASTERS of deception make no mistake about it. Just because she's not a pro doesn't mean she's not a cock gobbling sl*t either. lol

[Jan Chris]

This is an update report on my previous one, dated January 2008 in the report of distinction : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=695215&postcount=1094

Nothing as changed much since the last time I was in Colombia.

1) Accomodation

Suites Real 85 (www.suitesreal.com) remains my favourite location. Excellent service for a reasonable price. It is not easy to rent an appartment in the Zona Rosa or Parque de la 93 area, but you may try Bogota Casa.com

2) Money issue

I found out that the City Bank allows you to withdraw up to 700 000 pesos (compared to 300 000 for ñost banks and 400 000 for Bancolombia), which is good to know since most foreign banks charge you a lot for each withdraw. There is one City Bank in the Zona Rosa.

3) Security

I felt pretty safe everywhere, but exercise precaution anyway : use taxi as much as possible, bring enough cash (such as 400 000) and no credit card at night to avoid "ATM kidnappings" etc.

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[Golfinho]

How in the hell do you know if a girl you just met in a city of a country you just arrived at hasn't banged everyone in town? The answer is you can't,especially in Colombia,these girls are MASTERS of deception make no mistake about it. Just because she's not a pro doesn't mean she's not a cock gobbling **** either. lolThey are natural actresses and better at pretending than we will ever be: Its first nature with them....July was vacation month, which meant a lot of transients passing through Cartagena. Some girls were making vacation money to cover expenses. I enjoyed a few of them. Ignore the regulars unless you are staying in town for an extended stay, and it is a slow night.

We're living the One Night Stand Fantasy here -- what more do you want or expect?

[El Cubanito]

Pretty damn easy to figure out really. Your first sign will be when they ask for money or gifts. Hehehe.Exactly, but let me tell you something I have travel with guy on mongering trip and as soon as they try the first tail they want to marry the girl. Even when they are paying for it. I look at that and I say WTF!


The fun of LDV is when you actually get a chica to dig ya a bit and she becomes free or close to it, and / or you pay her whatever you feel..

THat is going on the chase and that is a great feeling. The ultimate Pussy control.


I have learned to ALWAYS follow my sixth sense for figuring out these chicas. Seperating the hard-core from the sweeties.

As we all should know; if they're not friendly and loving outside the bedroom, it's almost always worse in the bedroom.

Have fun.Listen, if they are not sweet or playful before we get into the bedroom I am not taking them there. Is a waist of time to be with a disgruntle chick.

El Cubanito

[Chido]

Man, I will use this place as a last resort. But that is not what I am looking for. Am I looking for a chick that if I go down on her most likely has had your dick where I am about to put my mouth? I do not put myself under any illusion that the girl I have next to me is some Virgin. But I will know she will most likely have not been fuck by 3/4 of the population that has visited Cartagena. With that said I donot know the landscape of Cartagena and what I will find. But being a veteran of Cuba, Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico, I think I can spot a pro or semi-pro from the crowd. I could be dupe in Cartagena, but I will let you know.

Zingadoon, I like the adventure of the chase and getting my prey. Going to place like LDV is like shooting Ducks on the Pond.

Let me ask you something my man? Do you have a regular girl in Colombia, because I have my regular girl in Cuba and in Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico. I am just trying to expand my pussy collection.

El CubanitoIf you have game and really want the chase then go to Mr. Babilla, where it is mostly regular girls and there are a few prepagos working very discreetly, usually at the bar straight ahead as you walk in and go up the stairs. Most chicks are regular girls there and I personally think on a good weekend night, especially a puente weekend, that it's the best hunting ground in Cartagena. But "monger game" will not get you laid. True game, speaking spanish, and being able to dance might. There are many bars on the same stretch, and La Carbonera is younger and you need even tighter game in there. Babar in el Centro is more high end and you need tighter game there also. LDV has a lot of tired hard core worn out prepagos. It is rare that you'll find a nugget there. If all else fails you still have elektra at 3 am.

[El Cubanito]

If you have game and really want the chase then go to Mr. Babilla, where it is mostly regular girls and there are a few prepagos working very discreetly, usually at the bar straight ahead as you walk in and go up the stairs. Most chicks are regular girls there and I personally think on a good weekend night, especially a puente weekend, that it's the best hunting ground in Cartagena. But "monger game" will not get you laid. True game, speaking spanish, and being able to dance might. There are many bars on the same stretch, and La Carbonera is younger and you need even tighter game in there. Babar in el Centro is more high end and you need tighter game there also. LDV has a lot of tired hard core worn out prepagos. It is rare that you'll find a nugget there. If all else fails you still have elektra at 3 am.Having games is being able to dance them and make them laugh. In ALL TURN THE GAME ON THEM, make believe the illusion that you are there boyfriend, there man, there soulmate. Whatever to get laid without giving as much as you she would want you to give to her.

Guys, if you have not figure out yet, I was born in Cuba and left 40 some odd years ago. The things is my cousin who I consider the Monger God. This is a guy that when he arrive from Cuba back in 1964 when on to live the grand old life of NOT working for the next 15 years. He had a lady that treated him as a Princes. Whatever he wanted, cars, clothes, money. Whatever he wanted. SHe would say that my cousin made her feel like a Queen or the most important thing in the Universe. In return, she would give my cousin anything he wanted.(The lady was a widow and was Loaded up the gills). But that is the game that I am talking about and thank to God I happen to learn from the best.

El Cubanito

[Golfinho]

If you have game and really want the chase then go to Mr. Babilla, where it is mostly regular girls and there are a few prepagos working very discreetly, usually at the bar straight ahead as you walk in and go up the stairs. Most chicks are regular girls there and I personally think on a good weekend night, especially a puente weekend, that it's the best hunting ground in Cartagena. But "monger game" will not get you laid. True game, speaking spanish, and being able to dance might. There are many bars on the same stretch, and La Carbonera is younger and you need even tighter game in there. Babar in el Centro is more high end and you need tighter game there also. LDV has a lot of tired hard core worn out prepagos. It is rare that you'll find a nugget there. If all else fails you still have elektra at 3 am.ELEKTRA? The hardest of the hard-core! Even so, if you come up empty at 3:00 a.m. you can find a girl in elecktra who's stuck for cash and who may do you at a bargain rate.

[Chido]

ELEKTRA? The hardest of the hard-core! Even so, if you come up empty at 3:00 a.m. you can find a girl in elecktra who's stuck for cash and who may do you at a bargain rate.True it's where the raggedy LDV hos go after hours, but I've pulled some nuggets out of there that are not your old worn out LDV hos. It is hit or miss, but a good option if your non-pro game doesn't result in a hookup and you resort to plan B.

[Doubt98]

Where can you buy cigars in Medellin and Bogota? I know there will be cigar shops but is there a national chain of stores that has them that would be easier to find? Like the Sanborns stores all over Mexico?

[Furysys]

Of course, ELCUBA, one can be an idiot like me, and drag the paisa off to a scuba diving trip in Roatan, and pay a small fortune for that. Mind you, it WAS fun, despite the fact that we landed the day they closed the airport, and had to drive across the country to La Ceiba. Now, if I marry the girl, at least I can get a tax deduction for her.

[Tweeners]

I'm going to ask what may seem to be a dumb question yet for the the forums I'm about to ask this on (so you'll which names I use on which forums) several monger sites.

I've RTFF and I've neevr seen this asked/answered, so here goes.

I live in Toronto and I've always flown to MDE by way of SJO, I did this because it breaks up my flight and Toronto to SJO is pretty cheap and a direct flight.

What I'm now considering is the more conventional approach and that's to fly Air Canada direct to BOG then on a codeshare you take Avaianaca to MDE. Here's what concerns me and hence the reason for my question. I understand that BOG airport recently underwent a much needed expansion and have added another terminal. My flight from Toronto arrives at one terminal, yet I fly to MDE out of another. I have no idea if these terminals are right beside each other nor do I know if you have to clear customs after you pick up your bags, and I don't know if you have to re-check in.

So my questions are:

1) Can anyone tell me about their experiences taking this Air Canada/Avianaca code share?

2) Are the terminals in Bogota right beside each other?

3) Will I have enough time in 2 hours to de-plane from Air Canada, get my bags and re-check in at the other terminal for the Avianaca leg?

4) Do I need to clear customs and have my bags searched, I ask again because of time constraints

5) Am I better off saying fuck it, fly into BOG, get a hotel and some companionship and fly to MDE the next day.

First person to tell me to RTFF gets mooned. I've tried to look for many of these answers in the past and I'm ready to book a February flight while it's selling cheap now.

Gracias

[Speedyg50]

Can't answer all your queries, but in theory you cannot be sold a connecting flight if there is not enough time to do exactly that.

Like most countries, Colombia has immigration and customs at port of entry. It's unlikely your bags will be searched.

Avianca flies to MDE, so you will then need transport from Rionegro down the hill which takes about 1.5 hours and I don't recommend it at night.

Suggest you consider flying to EOH instead which is right in Medellin. Avianca don't fly there from BOG, but Satena do. Good luck.

[Manizales911]

I'm going to ask what may seem to be a dumb question yet for the the forums I'm about to ask this on (so you'll which names I use on which forums) several monger sites.

I've RTFF and I've neevr seen this asked/answered, so here goes.

I live in Toronto and I've always flown to MDE by way of SJO, I did this because it breaks up my flight and Toronto to SJO is pretty cheap and a direct flight.

What I'm now considering is the more conventional approach and that's to fly Air Canada direct to BOG then on a codeshare you take Avaianaca to MDE. Here's what concerns me and hence the reason for my question. I understand that BOG airport recently underwent a much needed expansion and have added another terminal. My flight from Toronto arrives at one terminal, yet I fly to MDE out of another. I have no idea if these terminals are right beside each other nor do I know if you have to clear customs after you pick up your bags, and I don't know if you have to re-check in.

So my questions are:

1) Can anyone tell me about their experiences taking this Air Canada/Avianaca code share?

2) Are the terminals in Bogota right beside each other?

3) Will I have enough time in 2 hours to de-plane from Air Canada, get my bags and re-check in at the other terminal for the Avianaca leg?

4) Do I need to clear customs and have my bags searched, I ask again because of time constraints

5) Am I better off saying fuck it, fly into BOG, get a hotel and some companionship and fly to MDE the next day.

First person to tell me to RTFF gets mooned. I've tried to look for many of these answers in the past and I'm ready to book a February flight while it's selling cheap now.

Gracias1. No, I am from the U.S.

2. They aren't but the shuttle system is pretty efficient.

3. 2 hours is enough but not a lot of wiggle room.

4.You will have to clear customs, they will put your bags through a quick x-ray,kind of a joke really.

5. That's up to you. I do an overnight in BOG sometimes to save a few bucks on the airfare and blow it on a hotel room and a girl. Nothing wrong with that.

Have fun.

[Manizales911]

can't answer all your queries, but in theory you cannot be sold a connecting flight if there is not enough time to do exactly that.maybe in theory but when i book my flights from jfk or bos to mzl the first flight on the list of choices for the bog to mzl leg of the journey only has a 50 minute layover. i challenge anyone to pull that off with more than a 50% success rate.

[Tom Power]

The Toronto-Bogota-Medellin route is better than flying through USA, CR you only have to deal with the immigration for Colombia. I Know many people that make the connecting flights and I know a few people who have missed it, an 8pm arrival is tight for a 9:40 flight. I go to Cartagena but I prefer to spend the night in Bogota because there's LOTs to do. I usually buy my ticket from travelocity and I always have a hard time getting a connecting flight first thing in the morning it usually only allows me a 5pm next day flight to Ctg so when I arrive in Bogota I go to the avianca counter and change it to first thing in the morning always seats available, so if you miss the connection getting on the next morning flight won't be a problem.

Guaranteed the flight will have tons of Paisas on it who are making the exact same connection just follow them they'll be the ones rushing past you in the passport control line at el dorado for people with connecting flights once you pass passport then you get your bag right there at the bag carrousel there'll be avianca people waving you over to get your boarding pass for national connections, once you get the boarding pass you'll board a bus that runs across the tarmak to the Puerto Aereo National Terminal and catch your MDE flight there. The one downside to this is that frequently your luggage doesn't make the tight connection you may have to go back to the MDE airport the next day to get it.

Even with this little hassle it still beats any other route because overnighting in San Jose, Mexico City or Miami ain't gonna offer the FUN that Bogota can.

Remember, we're all in this together.

Tom Power

[Mel365]

I am interested in buying an apartment in medellin. I understand there is some paperwork that should be done so if I ever sell the apartment I can send the money back to the USA. Is anyone familiar with this?

Thanks,

Mel

[Hanskanns]

there'll be avianca people waving you over to get your boarding pass for national connections, once you get the boarding pass you'll board a busAs far as I remember, there are only three counters for Avianca..so either one has to hope that baggage came early and customs check was quick or that few people connect to other Avianca flights (unlikely..)..

Hassle is that if one misses his connecting flight one has to carry the baggage to the national terminal (instead of dropping right there) and hit the over-crowded Avianca office.

In that case please don't behave like an American douchebag..courtesy gets you far..

[Latin Bound]

I am interested in buying an apartment in medellin. I understand there is some paperwork that should be done so if I ever sell the apartment I can send the money back to the USA. Is anyone familiar with this?

Thanks,

MelYes, you can send it back. One suggestion I could, call bancolombia. There is a branch here in miami. Of course, keep in mind that they would want your business. Personally, I avoid dealing with them as much as I can, but to clarify all aspects of the real estate transaction between the countries would be a good source of information for you.

[AddictedToWomen]

4.you will have to clear customs, they will put your bags through a quick x-ray,kind of a joke really.half the time i get the full manual search as well. they're friendly enough -- they're looking for money or the import of high-value items for resale -- but you do need to allow time for it.

and of course, only ever open one case at a time regardless of how many people want to help speed you on your way.

[Mel365]

Do you have a phone number for the bank in Miami? When I phoned the miami number the call was transferred to Medellin.

Thanks,

Mel

[Artful]

I'm sure I read somewhere, possibly on this board, that there were now direct flights from Bogota to Singapore. Now I can't find it. Can anyone possibly confirm this for me?

[Junior]

Hi,

I am contemplating my first visit to Colombia in December.

The trip will be about one week and I only want to go to one city. Should I go to Bogota, Cartagena or Medelin?

I speak passable spanish and am used to travelling in latinamerica.

The key criterias are easy access to beautiful women, something to see and do when not chasing women, price is less of an issue.

Junior

[Andy1974]

Hi,

I am staying in Rio de Janerio in December and was thinking of taking a few days in Colombia also, does anyone know the best and cheapest way to travel between the two?

I lookd at some flights but they are VERy VERy expensive, perhaps I am lookng at the wrong sites

Many thanks in advance

Andy

[AddictedToWomen]

Hi,

I am contemplating my first visit to Colombia in December.

The trip will be about one week and I only want to go to one city. Should I go to Bogota, Cartagena or Medelin?

I speak passable spanish and am used to travelling in latinamerica.

The key criterias are easy access to beautiful women, something to see and do when not chasing women, price is less of an issue.

JuniorFor one week, you might not get too bored in ctg, as long as you like beaches and old fortresses. Otherwise I'd strike it. Bog would be my favorite: med's got a decent botero museum iirc, but apart from that doesn't inspire me.

[Pixelpirata]

I will stay in Colombia for 6 months and I cot of living /time for daily transportation is an big issue. Medellin offers much culture, but what about cities like Tulúa, Pereira, Manizales, Cartago.

I speak deesecnt spanish and can manage in a smaller city.

It might become boring, but thi might well occur when getting out of money in an expensive metropol!

Anyone with experience?

[Doc Bill]

Andy,

For whatever reasons, this has been an ongoing problem for me and it's just one of those issues that's not going to be resolved. For some reason, only Colombia, nowhere else, is it difficult to get to from other SA countries, with the possible exception of Peru. I tried to figure how to get there from or on the way to Rio, also Buenos Aires - And you know what? It turned out cheaper and shorter to go back to Miami first! I s**t you not!

[Hanskanns]

I will stay in Colombia for 6 months and I cot of living /time for daily transportation is an big issue. Medellin offers much culture, but what about cities like Tulúa, Pereira, Manizales, Cartago.Do you have certain objectives while being there or is your endeavour "simply" (no offense or anything between the lines!) to live in CO for 6mth?

[Neworlean]

The only way that you can really fly from Colombia to BA or RIO is to use frequent flyer miles and make a stop over in Colombia. For example Delta and Avicanca are skyteam partners. However, when you do it this way there are a ton of stopovers. Usually thorugh panama or mexico city because those to cities have flights to BA or RIO.

[Artisttyp]

Andy,

For whatever reasons, this has been an ongoing problem for me and it's just one of those issues that's not going to be resolved. For some reason, only Colombia, nowhere else, is it difficult to get to from other SA countries, with the possible exception of Peru. I tried to figure how to get there from or on the way to Rio, also Buenos Aires - And you know what? It turned out cheaper and shorter to go back to Miami first! I s**t you not!Bill,

I've been researching this topic for a month already (personal reasons). Getting from place to place in SA is a huge issue. More than I would have thought.

Ie. Lima to Buenos Aires is $900 on LAN. I pay between that and $1000 to get there from new york.

Bottom line. If I ever moved to SA and wanted to hop around between Peru Colombia and Argentina I am looking at around $3000 a year in airfare. This does NOT include getting back for the holidays.

**** IMHO you must go through miami to get BACK to SA. This is for monetary reasons BUT also for the luggage restrictions. LAN allows one checked bag at 50lbs on flights within SA. Not to mention those fucks only allow 18 lbs carry on. I shit you not. Look on their website. If you can pay to have another bag I believe it would be $120 (2 charges).

Flights to Colombia from Lima were running $700 when I checked this month. Add airport tax and over weight charges and your giving up that "cruise " you were saving up for. Sometimes there are sales but you can't depend on them falling when your three month tourist visa ends. Then what?

If you are lucky enough to live in ecuador then you can take a bus to Colombia or visa versa. If you are stuck in Argentina without any money your world is uruguay paraguay and maybe parts of brazil or chile. Otherwise get ready to shell out major bucks for a trip.

When you sit down and crunch numbers you realize that you save money on *some things in SA but new expenditures are right around the corner.

$5000 a month is the number I came up with to do SA the way I would want to. Fly between countries stay in $40/45 hotels etc.

As you can see this is a heated topic with me.

[AddictedToWomen]

Andy,

For whatever reasons, this has been an ongoing problem for me and it's just one of those issues that's not going to be resolved. For some reason, only Colombia, nowhere else, is it difficult to get to from other SA countries, with the possible exception of Peru. I tried to figure how to get there from or on the way to Rio, also Buenos Aires - And you know what? It turned out cheaper and shorter to go back to Miami first! I s**t you not!http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/Latin_America/Avianca.shtml

[Kickboxer151]

Hi,

I am staying in Rio de Janerio in December and was thinking of taking a few days in Colombia also, does anyone know the best and cheapest way to travel between the two?

I lookd at some flights but they are VERy VERy expensive, perhaps I am lookng at the wrong sites

Many thanks in advance

AndyCopa Air Buddy

www.copaair.com

[Tavares]

Kick,

If you don't mind to change planes twice and take 10 hours to get to Bogota, fly with GOL for 500usd.

[Tavares]

By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?

[AddictedToWomen]

By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?My current two favorites don't have an ounce of silicon between them.

Of course they're then not that big to stand any chance of bumping in to, so maybe you're right.

[Manizales911]

By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?Wrong,there are plenty of girls that haven't been enhanced yet,not because they don't want to get a nice pair of bolt-ons, but because they haven't landed a gringo willing to pay for them yet.

[Hioctane]

By the way I wouldn't mind to spend a few days in Col myself. But after reading reports galore on this site, the chances of bumping into a natural titted colombiana without silicone are pretty slim, right?By natural, do you mean big or small? There's your fair share of everything. I love them big. Real or fake doesn't matter. I'm in heaven.

[Headache]

Has anyone left or arrived at the airport in Colombia after staying more than 180 days without a visa?

My 180 days is Colombia is almost used up when I arrived at Medellin last week and immigration at the airport (DAS) gave me a tourist entry visa stamp for 60 days. I told them my 180 days are almost up, then I went to DAS in Belen and questioned them. Nobody seems to know for sure. The answer I get is that if DAS gave me an entry visa stamp of 60 days, then I have 60 days.

The rules to me seems to say that if you enter Colombia, you get 60 day entry visa stamp on your passport. DAS will extend the time for a fee until your 180 days per year are up.

The rules does not say you cannot leave the country and come back for another 60 days entry visa stamp after your 180 days are up. Other boards say that people go to Venezuela and come back to have their passport stamped.

I will know for sure when I leave and come back (or not) in September.

[JazzPlayer]

Has anyone left or arrived at the airport in Colombia after staying more than 180 days without a visa?

My 180 days is Colombia is almost used up when I arrived at Medellin last week and immigration at the airport (DAS) gave me a tourist entry visa stamp for 60 days. I told them my 180 days are almost up, then I went to DAS in Belen and questioned them. Nobody seems to know for sure. The answer I get is that if DAS gave me an entry visa stamp of 60 days, then I have 60 days.

The rules to me seems to say that if you enter Colombia, you get 60 day entry visa stamp on your passport. DAS will extend the time for a fee until your 180 days per year are up.

The rules does not say you cannot leave the country and come back for another 60 days entry visa stamp after your 180 days are up. Other boards say that people go to Venezuela and come back to have their passport stamped.

I will know for sure when I leave and come back (or not) in September.No one is more confused than DAS passport control and they are the only angry Colombians I ever encounter, except for pissed off hinchas de futbol.

You get 60 days when you enter. You can get a 30 day extension after paying 55,000COP, only at certain branches of Banco de Bogota, and two trips to DAS, they figerprint you and push every button on the desktop computer they run, tanto loco. Then when you leave from MDE you have to pay another $55,000, collected by the airline. It's all very confusing and hard to get a straight anwser, that you can trust, from anyone.

I know that it's easier, but more expensive, to go to another country for a weekend and comeback for a fresh 60 day stamp.

Good luck getting it straight.

Chau,

Jazz

[RobbyPump]

Well here's the story guys. I'm a 40 year old guy who's finishing up college for the 2nd time. I've been given an opportunity, by a company interested in hiring me when I leave college, to spend up to 10 weeks in a Spanish speaking country learning to speak the language. I'm moving into petroleum production, and they have a lot of interests in South America and would like to have me understanding some Spanish when I get there.

So here's the requirements. I need to present them with a proposal as to how much a 10 week stay would cost. Of course I have secondary motives for wanting to spend an extended period in an exotic land, and so I come to you.

I need to find out why you think Columbia is the place to go to spend time with the chicas. Really what I'd like is more semi or non pro action, particularly since I'll be there a while. I'd prefer to stay in a city away from the gringo occupied areas. I am supposed to be learning Spanish remember, so if everyone speaks English, I'll not make much progress. I'd also like any input you might have on how much a small house or apartment might cost for the 10 weeks.

Really I'm interested in any insight you might think would be useful to someone in my position. Incidentally, I do speak a small amount of Spanish already. I'm a middle class, average looking, middle aged white guy, who doesn't mind leaving suburban America to live in less the US standard accommodations.

I hope Jackson doesn't mind, but I'm thinking of posting this in quite a few different forums to get responses from each, but feel free to offer advice on any other countries you might think appropriate as well.

Hopefully come June of next year I'll be running a blog on how things are going, and chasing as much tail as I was during my fist stint in college. In the meantime, I hope to hear from all of you as to where I should spend my 10 week mid life crisis.

Oh. And learn Spanish too. Really.

[Fabone]

Well here's the story guys. I'm a 40 year old guy who's finishing up college for the 2nd time. I've been given an opportunity, by a company interested in hiring me when I leave college, to spend up to 10 weeks in a Spanish speaking country learning to speak the language.Robby,

You probably get a few different opinions here depending on who you speak with. Although I have 26 years experience with Latin women and my opinion is one of many, please consider what I have to be true and accurate.

First of all, congrats on re-schooling and a BIG congrats on your immersion opportunity. You are in for a ride.

I am a white 45 year old who is conversationally fluent in Spanish. I took it in high school and got an opportunity to use it while stationed in Central America 26 years ago. I married a girl from there and we have three children together who are grown up now with my youngest living with me and attending college. I've been divorced from her for years. Good person, good mother but we just married too young.

Since then, I have been to Costa Rica, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras and now I visit my favorite. Colombia. I've been around 30 times and am planning on buying there one day.

I met my girl 3 years ago in Cartagena and have an "inside" insight as to how they think, feel and operate.

I wanted to tell you enough about me to give you a feel before you took my advice. So now, here it is.

There are some good, good people in Colombia but the peso is very important to most and many will do ANYTHING to get their hands on a hand full.

1st, if you're not currently exercising consider starting right away. You don't need to be a model but you want to look your best. 2nd, look into what's fashionable with Latin males. Buy clothes that look cool but aren't too costly. No expensive jewelry. Do NOT show up dressed like a tourist gringo. "When in Rome.".

Take care of all of the details. Nails, grey in your hair, teeth and so forth. You DON'T want to be one of the guys. Who will probably criticize what I'm telling you here. Who think that the fact that you are American and have money is attractive enough. Most Colombianos are at least a little vain and will laugh at you behind your back for being too different. Also consider WHO will be attracted to you in the form of friends AND chicas by how you present yourself. I cannot overstate this. It is very important. You are already "exotic" enough by virtue of your race and therefore attractive to many so don't come across as strange or weird by not being "like them" on some level. And appearance is the first impression.

With that said, you want to be located in a fairly nice area especially if you choose to be away from other gringos. It's like the States in that the more secure your residence, the higher the rent. The dilemma there is that when you are in an area where people have money, you won't have every chica falling all over herself to meet or talk to you. Somewhere in the middle is best in my opinion.

You should be able to rent by the month. There are sites where you can find deals. While learning Spanish is your main objective, consider the climate, the weather, and extracurricular activities too.

I've never been to Cali but I hear it's hot and can be dangerous.

I've been to Medellin and the weather is awesome, the chicas beautiful and there are plenty of things to do if you look around.

Cartagena is my personal choice because of the abundance of things one can enjoy outside of the bedroom.

Barranquilla is ok but doesn't have as much to do.

Bogota is huge but I didn't like the weather.

There are many other options but I don't have enough personal experience to share. As to learning Spanish, the obvious thing to do is meet a lot of people and stay engaged in conversations throughout the day. Stay out of the house unless you rent a room inside of someone's house, then you're still engaged.

And the number one thing is to get a girlfriend. If you listen to my advice, you can get a beautiful young thing that is with you because she likes YOU and not just your wallet. I advise you to dump any and all girls who ask for money unless she's a prepagada.

Colombian women are incredible and she will have you eating out of her hand, buying her everything you can afford and your dumb as$ will be happy to do it. If you're not careful.

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with helping a girl out that you care for but I personally know of dozens of chicas who are so good that they have several men from several countries sending them monthly allowances and they all think that she's sitting by the phone just waiting for his call.

There are some very ambitious and resourceful women down there and you will attract what you draw.

Dress clean and trendy, don't throw your money around, be charming, interesting and witty and you repel the "gold diggers" attract "good" girls and possibly make some friends for life while they help you learn Spanish the best way. Full immersion. Good luck and feel free to p m me for elaboration or explanation of anything I can help with.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

[Zing23]

to spend up to 10 weeks in a Spanish speaking country learning to speak the language. Just completed a month in Colombia taking Spanish lessons. I alrady had enough Spanish that I could spend 3 weeks in Colombia without speaking English at all, but I was often confused by what people said.

First 2 weeks: group class in a language institute in Bogota with a good teacher who knew little English and spoke only Spanish in the class. 4 hr/day. about $230/wk. Useful, learned a lot, but it was COLD in the bogota classroom and the teacher could not explaiin the Spanish in English, so on many points I had to refer to my grammer book after class.

Second 2 weeks: private classes in Medellin with an even better teacher who spoke 4 languages. 4 hr/day. 18k pesos per hour or $180/wk, but I also paid for 4 hrs per weekend. much more intense than in a group, no time to relax. highly recommended. pm me for the name and contact info.

Avoiding English: as long as you stay out of backpacker hostels, you will seldom run into people who speak English, even in the rich parts of Bogota or Medellin. I think the previous post on Colombian women is quite accurate, having known many.

Zing

[Calizum]

Robby,

You probably get a few different opinions here depending on who you speak with. Although I have 26 years experience with Latin women and my opinion is one of many, please consider what I have to be true and accurate.

First of all, congrats on re-schooling and a BIG congrats on your immersion opportunity. You are in for a ride.

I am a white 45 year old who is conversationally fluent in Spanish. I took it in high school and got an opportunity to use it while stationed in Central America 26 years ago. I married a girl from there and we have three children together who are grown up now with my youngest living with me and attending college. I've been divorced from her for years. Good person, good mother but we just married too young.

Since then, I have been to Costa Rica, Mexico, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Honduras and now I visit my favorite. Colombia. I've been around 30 times and am planning on buying there one day.

I met my girl 3 years ago in Cartagena and have an "inside" insight as to how they think, feel and operate.

I wanted to tell you enough about me to give you a feel before you took my advice. So now, here it is.

There are some good, good people in Colombia but the peso is very important to most and many will do ANYTHING to get their hands on a hand full.

1st, if you're not currently exercising consider starting right away. You don't need to be a model but you want to look your best. 2nd, look into what's fashionable with Latin males. Buy clothes that look cool but aren't too costly. No expensive jewelry. Do NOT show up dressed like a tourist gringo. "When in Rome.".

Take care of all of the details. Nails, grey in your hair, teeth and so forth. You DON'T want to be one of the guys. Who will probably criticize what I'm telling you here. Who think that the fact that you are American and have money is attractive enough. Most Colombianos are at least a little vain and will laugh at you behind your back for being too different. Also consider WHO will be attracted to you in the form of friends AND chicas by how you present yourself. I cannot overstate this. It is very important. You are already "exotic" enough by virtue of your race and therefore attractive to many so don't come across as strange or weird by not being "like them" on some level. And appearance is the first impression.

With that said, you want to be located in a fairly nice area especially if you choose to be away from other gringos. It's like the States in that the more secure your residence, the higher the rent. The dilemma there is that when you are in an area where people have money, you won't have every chica falling all over herself to meet or talk to you. Somewhere in the middle is best in my opinion.

You should be able to rent by the month. There are sites where you can find deals. While learning Spanish is your main objective, consider the climate, the weather, and extracurricular activities too.

I've never been to Cali but I hear it's hot and can be dangerous.

I've been to Medellin and the weather is awesome, the chicas beautiful and there are plenty of things to do if you look around.

Cartagena is my personal choice because of the abundance of things one can enjoy outside of the bedroom.

Barranquilla is ok but doesn't have as much to do.

Bogota is huge but I didn't like the weather.

There are many other options but I don't have enough personal experience to share. As to learning Spanish, the obvious thing to do is meet a lot of people and stay engaged in conversations throughout the day. Stay out of the house unless you rent a room inside of someone's house, then you're still engaged.

And the number one thing is to get a girlfriend. If you listen to my advice, you can get a beautiful young thing that is with you because she likes YOU and not just your wallet. I advise you to dump any and all girls who ask for money unless she's a prepagada.

Colombian women are incredible and she will have you eating out of her hand, buying her everything you can afford and your dumb as$ will be happy to do it. If you're not careful.

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with helping a girl out that you care for but I personally know of dozens of chicas who are so good that they have several men from several countries sending them monthly allowances and they all think that she's sitting by the phone just waiting for his call.

There are some very ambitious and resourceful women down there and you will attract what you draw.

Dress clean and trendy, don't throw your money around, be charming, interesting and witty and you repel the "gold diggers" attract "good" girls and possibly make some friends for life while they help you learn Spanish the best way. Full immersion. Good luck and feel free to p m me for elaboration or explanation of anything I can help with.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Thats pretty good info, Im Colombian but moved here 2 the states when I wuz two years old, so Ive grown up the corrupted American way of life and divorced, I am 40 now, and have not lost my spanish but only now know the Colombians in the states as they too are hungry for men that have money, I c it left and right, Im hoping women in Colombian are just shallow as they are here. Well keep up your report, at is very informal even for a native but than again last time I was in Medellin was in 86.. wasted years I got 2 go back.

Cheers,

Colombian Carlos

[Ricker]

... There are some good, good people in Colombia but the peso is very important to most and many will do ANYTHING to get their hands on a hand full.

[/blue][/size]Great statement, great post. Did I write that? hahahahaha

Sounds like the exact advice I would give.

[Ricker]

I need to find out why you think Columbia is the place to go to spend time with the chicas.Well of course Colombia is the place to go to spend time with chicas.

Apart from Fabone's post and advice:

I would choose Medellin over all other cities to live in Colombia.

Climate, people, chicas, etc.

You can get away from the gringo crowd if you rent maybe in the el Estadio area, etc.

Cartagena for me is too touristy and hot.

Barranquilla, though the chicas are great, is hot and too industrial and drab for me.

Cali I dig for a visit, but it's not a pretty city really ans a bit more dangerous.

Bogota would be my second choice, but it does get cold for me.

Good luck amigo.

For Portuguese, hit Sao Paulo, Brasil. Hahahaha. That's a different story, but just as good.

[AddictedToWomen]

I would choose Medellin over all other cities to live in Colombia.
IIRC, CAMBIO reported last week that Medellin had the fastest growing rate of serious (read murder, theft, ...) street crime in Colombia.

[Oliver 0205]

Now don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with helping a girl out that you care for but I personally know of dozens of chicas who are so good that they have several men from several countries sending them monthly allowances and they all think that she's sitting by the phone just waiting for his call.You are so right and unfortunately I had to learn this lesson quite hard. I married a girl from Colombia and to make her life as nice as possible I had nothing against that she stood several weeks per year alone in Colombia. Visiting her family like I thought.

Truth was, that she lived in Colombia with a local guy from Pereira and with all the money I gave to her they built up their life in Pereira. I was blinded by love and the sweet behavior of her. Now that I know more about the life over there I even can't be angry with her, but with me being so stupid.

[Calizum]

IIRC, CAMBIO reported last week that Medellin had the fastest growing rate of serious (read murder, theft, ...) street crime in Colombia.I wuz born in Medellin in 68 but moved here when I wuz two, in the span up to 86 visiting durring summer school I have seen everything from somebody tearing off my moms earing in broad day lite in the centro to seeing somebody get shot in the head to somebody pointing a gun at me for kicks. Medellin has gone up n down. Today it is musch safer than 20 years ago but never let your guards down especially after that grenade explosion at a downtown club after a soccer celebration, like others have posted, try to blend in as much as possible, dont wear jewelry and buy sum cheap clothes at a local store.

Cali

[Ricker]

IIRC, CAMBIO reported last week that Medellin had the fastest growing rate of serious (read murder, theft, ...) street crime in Colombia.Oh, in that case I'd choose Peoria, Illinois.

[AddictedToWomen]

I wuz born in Medellin in 68 but moved here when I wuz two, in the span up to 86 visiting durring summer school I have seen everything from somebody tearing off my moms earing in broad day lite in the centro to seeing somebody get shot in the head to somebody pointing a gun at me for kicks. Medellin has gone up n down. Today it is musch safer than 20 years ago but never let your guards down especially after that grenade explosion at a downtown club after a soccer celebration, like others have posted, try to blend in as much as possible, dont wear jewelry and buy sum cheap clothes at a local store.

CaliArticle is still available online at:

http://www.cambio.com.co/portadacambio/842/ARTICULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR_CAMBIO-5892427.html

[BayBoy]

Can any of you Colombian 'experts' tell me why the COP is at 1984 to the US $1? Has the Colombian economy improved that much lately, or is it the US dollar is going down internationally or more specifically to the Colombian economy.

The dollar has improved in respect to the Costa Rican Colon and the Argentine Peso, so go figure.

I'm going to Colombia next month and getting worried about the money situation.
bayboy.

[Peter Fonda]

If anyone travel to Bogota in Sept and want to have decent girl (no puta, no prepago) in Bogota, let me know. PM me. I just want to help my friends there.

[Furysys]

Live rates at 2009.09.12 19:55:54 UTC
1.00 USD = 1,994.00 COP
United States Dollars Colombia Pesos
1 USD = 1,994.00 COP 1 COP = 0.000501505 USD

Bayboy, while not an 'expert'. My endless years in accounting and finance might help a little. It is not the peso going up, but the US$ going down. US$ hit a low for the year against the euro & CDN $, after the financial crisis, for some strange reason, everybody wanted to be in US$'s, so it soared far above true value. Now, that international risk has dropped (or at least by the VIX index, which sort of measures worldwide volatility), people feel safer being in more risky currencies. Interesting enough, the peso has virtually stayed the same against the Canadian dollar all the way thru this.

I wouldn't worry about the exchange rate. There is nothing you can do about it anyway, and really doesn't make a huge difference in the cost of a trip. Right now, with tourism so slow, they have no problem taking gringo dinero.

[John Gault]

I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.Dealing with a serious relationship with a Colombian woman is worse than playing the lottery. The only thing I can think of that is worse is getting hooked up with a Gringa.

As far as the crime in Colombia, I can deal with that.

I'll be in Santa Marta tonight for seven days. PM if anybody else is there also to share in the eternal hunt for the GFE.

[Oliver 0205]

I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.That leads me to the question if anybody knows a good investigator in Pereira? I searched the Internet already, but the links which appear there are not really helpful. It should be a guy or a company in Pereira. Agencies from the U.S. I found a lot, but they are expensive as they first have to send somebody to Pereira. The divorce is running already, but it might be helpful to proof that she had before and while we are married a guy in Pereira and that they lived together.

Thanks

[AddictedToWomen]

I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.Sure you wanna tar 'em all with the same brush? I've met loads of great, honest, sincere, loyal Colombian girls.

And plenty of US women who'd try the same trick as your Medellin woman in a heartbeat.

[Fabone]

I had a girl from Medellin that got pregnant with another Colombian guy while waiting for her visa to the US with me. She tried to lie that it was my child, but the father showed up at her lawyers office and demanded a blood test. The girl even wanted me to bring her and her son to the US.

What is worse, the crime in Colombia or the women from Colombia! At! Fuck them but don't get attached to them. They have no loyalty, no respect for you or I.Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.

If we lump ALL Colombianas into such statements then we are no better than them when they make comments (and they do) such as:

"All gringos are bad in bed" or "Gringos don't know how to dance" or "Gringos are rude and have no personality."

The truth is that all of those statements accurately apply to someone's experience and they ASSUME that it's universal.

Well it's not universal for us. Not for them.

Like I said on previous posts, when you go to Colombia, you will attract people. Chicas, amigos and just curious passers by. But how you dress, present yourself, act, react, spend, not spend, eye contact, body language, and fundamentally your basic mindset. All of these things leave an impression of you with any people including of course the Colombianos.

Do we attract opportunists based on looking like an easy target or do we attract people who are genuinely interested in us as a person. Someone with style, class, respect and of interest.

No I'm in no way suggesting that you or the prior posting guy did not but odds are there was something about you to have attracted such a person though it could have just been the fact that you are estranjero.

But still, we have to realize that we can do all of this right and still get screwed over if we blindly trust.

If you're just out playing, play with the "fun girls" and realize who you are dealing with.

If you want a "good girl" in Colombia, you have to "fish in a different pond" of course.

But one you decide to move ahead with ONE girl and are considering bringing her home. The REAL work begins. You should be testing her every way possible in ways that she cannot anticipate. You'll have 5-6 months to do this while your novia visa is being processed. Then you'll have another 90 days to see how she adjusts in your country (I'm assuming USA) before you have to wed or send her back.

It's a high risk with a high potential gain.

I for one am of the opinion that you can do everything right and still get screwed in the end but I know too that if done right you can drastically minimize those odds.

No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.

[Legal Tender]

Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.

If we lump ALL Colombianas into such statements then we are no better than them when they make comments (and they do) such as:

"All gringos are bad in bed" or "Gringos don't know how to dance" or "Gringos are rude and have no personality."

The truth is that all of those statements accurately apply to someone's experience and they ASSUME that it's universal.

Well it's not universal for us. Not for them.

Like I said on previous posts, when you go to Colombia, you will attract people. Chicas, amigos and just curious passers by. But how you dress, present yourself, act, react, spend, not spend, eye contact, body language, and fundamentally your basic mindset. All of these things leave an impression of you with any people including of course the Colombianos.

Do we attract opportunists based on looking like an easy target or do we attract people who are genuinely interested in us as a person. Someone with style, class, respect and of interest.

No I'm in no way suggesting that you or the prior posting guy did not but odds are there was something about you to have attracted such a person though it could have just been the fact that you are estranjero.

But still, we have to realize that we can do all of this right and still get screwed over if we blindly trust.

If you're just out playing, play with the "fun girls" and realize who you are dealing with.

If you want a "good girl" in Colombia, you have to "fish in a different pond" of course.

But one you decide to move ahead with ONE girl and are considering bringing her home. The REAL work begins. You should be testing her every way possible in ways that she cannot anticipate. You'll have 5-6 months to do this while your novia visa is being processed. Then you'll have another 90 days to see how she adjusts in your country (I'm assuming USA) before you have to wed or send her back.

It's a high risk with a high potential gain.

I for one am of the opinion that you can do everything right and still get screwed in the end but I know too that if done right you can drastically minimize those odds.

No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.

The commitment to a Colombian girl doesn't have to be high risk. Like every commitment that has value, there is risk. The risk is financial and emotional. Financially, a good pre-nuptial agreement will limit the financial risks. It is imperative for anyone who has any wealth of substance that is a reality, or a dream. Simply put, it makes no sense not to limit your financial exposure if the little darling tries to "game on" you.

Secondly, the emotional aspect should be manageable if one understands that no matter what the intention, one never owns another, and we all free moral agents. My thought is simple: If anyone wants to bring a Colombian girl to a western country, you have the power to give opportunity and hope that simply does not exists in Colombia for the vast, vast majority of these young women. If, after she arrives in "your" country, you two can't co-exist, you wish her well, with good energy, and a hope for her to find what she is looking for, even if it really isn't you.

The Buddha teaches that the source of all pain is unfulfilled desires. If you have the desire to enhance another's life, provide them with an opportunity. To give a little love; then whatever they chose to do should not create a substantial risk. Finally, from a philosophical point-of-view, maybe there will be at least one person who mourns your death. Love and compassion should never lead to pain. Ego leads to. You get the point.

Only good energy!

[Oliver 0205]

Sure you wanna tar 'em all with the same brush? I've met loads of great, honest, sincere, loyal Colombian girls.

And plenty of US women who'd try the same trick as your Medellin woman in a heartbeat.No I won't. Don't get me wrong, but what I wrote was about ONE girl from Colombia. I like the people there, I like the country, unfortunately I picked the wrong girl.

I was many times in Colombia, spent the time with her. Under the given circumstances it was not possible to bring her to Germany. She had no job, no bank account and all these things they are asking for before they give a Visa. After travelling for 1.5 years to Colombia we married there. After that she got a 90 days Visa, but only under the condition that I booked a language course for her. During all this time there have been some cases which let me doubt on her, but never I expected the outcome. It was like this, that she lived before with her novio and the times after our marriage when she was alone over there to visit her "family". Sure, now I say how stupid I was, but during that time with her I always put my doubts to the background. When we have been together to Colombia or when we lived together in Germany she was the cutest esposa you can imagine. Of course there have been from beginning these questions to help her family, but damn I married her and her family was also my family. So I paid her a salary via my company to her Colombian account. Later I had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. She used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.

And yes, all this can happen with a european or american woman too. What scared me was the way she played this game for more than 2 years. Finally the doubts I had became too much. Furthermore she has a sister who is living in Spain and she told me the story. Worse on all this is, I can't proof if it is right or not. And the sister in Spain is only her "half-sister". Maybe she is just jealous because she and her husband have it quite difficult over there and they don't know how to survive.

Therefore again, does anybody know a detectiv in Pereira?

[Parcero]

Sorry to hear about your experience Dude55. I've heard of and personally seen MANY over the years. However, there are men you are having success in finding a "keeper" in that sea of opportunistic chicas that are out their working estranjeros for an opportunity at a better life.

No my friend. Not ALL Colomianas should be treated as an opportunist. No more than all gringos should be considered loud mouth, over spending, dumb as$es.Awesome post!

[Fabone]

no i won't. don't get me wrong, but what i wrote was about one girl from colombia. i like the people there, i like the country, unfortunately i picked the wrong girl.

so i paid her a salary via my company to her colombian account. later i had to learn that her family never saw one peso of this money. she used it all to make the apartment she shared with this guy to a high class one.thanks for sharing.

this is like [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) for women.

it happens all of the time but is rarely reported.

keep you guard up out there.

[Hioctane]

I seriously don't get it.. I'm not a marriage councelor, but why are some guys in such a rush to get married? The only reason I see is if you want kids. Any other reason and a novia is just fine. Why do think the divorce rates in your country is high? It's from all the people rushing into marriage. Go to a foreign country where the economy is even worse.. then multiply the divorce rate about a thousand. The odds are even worse. Most will have ulteria motives. Seeing a paisa a couple of times a year does not mean you know them. What do you think they're doing in between the times you are not there? Sitting at home by the phone waiting for your phone call? Odds are they have some more guys on the side. I'm not going to generalize all paisas like that, but the percentage is great in Colombia and any other country. If you are really serious about a successful marriage, move to their country and stay with them for 2 years and then make a decision.

[Fabone]

I seriously don't get it. If you are really serious about a successful marriage, move to their country and stay with them for 2 years and then make a decision.Many of those posting here will share this general view and to be honest with you, I think that they have a valid point and have every right to enjoy many women over many years with no strings attached.

Of course your final line is unrealistic for most guys.

If that were posible for me and most posting here, Colombia would be one crowded place. Hahaha

There are guys who want to share more than a bed with a great woman.

They'd like to bring a "good choice of a woman" back and live life with her.

Sure kids "could" be part of their plans but sharing all that life has to offer, might be their primary reason. Everyone is wired slightly different.

To each their own but having enjoyed both lifestyles to great lenghts, I find it hard to be so one sided in my opinion.

I choose to support both.