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no problem at all mr. freeze, just wanted to be sure my thoughts were understood. i plan to visit cali again (hopefully we meet sometime!), and i'm sure it will involve both pay and non-pay play.
Headhunter2000
07-24-03, 09:40
Has anyone here flown from Cartagena to Cali before? Can I just walk into any Cartagena travel agency and buy a ticket? How much should I expect to pay for round-trip?
Antifreeze
07-24-03, 14:45
If you buy a ticket Cartagena-Cali round trip from the US, it will cost you about $325. If you buy the same ticket in Colombia, you will pay around $100. I've had only good experiences by getting ticket that departs even the same day as I bought it... That do not mean that you could take your time to buy it (buy it as soon as you know your deprature date), but it means that system in here is a bit more flexible, and will accomodate you if at all possible.
Enjoy Cali like I do...
freeze
Antifreeze
How about from Bogota to Cali and back, What's the cost if I buy it in Bogota or at the ticket counter at BOG airport. In August I need to fly into BOG rom Mexico City and then buy a seperate ticket to go to Cali.
In my previous post, I was asking that could a Calena be a good faithful wife if they are so easy about leisure sex, the impression I got from messages on this board. I got no response on this issue. I know Antifreeze you are the one who can give us more acurate answer since you live there.
Thank you.
I paid $170 RT on aerorepublica using antifreeze' travel agent.
One tip-TAKE THE NONSTOP FLIGHT (leaves Cali in morning and departs Cartagena at 2pm) as the connection time in Bogota often leads to unplanned stopovers (happened to me).
Dollar Bill
07-24-03, 21:06
Antifreeze (et. all),
I will be in Colombia for 2 weeks August 2nd - August 17th. I have to travel to Bogota on business for one of those two weeks.
My question is this: August 7th (Thursday) is a National Holiday. (I heard this from a Colombiana that I am communicating with). Since this holiday falls on a Thursday, do you think that many of the Caleñas will treat this like a pueñte and leave the city for a long weekend?
I am going to make it to Cali. I am not sure if it will be the week of August 4th or the 11th. Do you have any recommendations as to which week might be the best? (or are both the same with no special events scheduled).
I really would like a chance to meet up with you and buy you a beer. (And any other mongers down there during that time also). Hopefully you might have time and we could meet in the Chippi-Chappe mall.
I wanted to get your opinion of which hotel you felt was best for the Monger on a hotel budget.
Hotel Rayda sounds good and close to the Casino and Avenida Sexta. I like to gamble my play money.
Hotel Casa del Portal is close to Chippi-Chappe.
Which do you think would be the best overall place to be? Are they both in the north and is the north the place to be during the day or the place to be at night? Is the south better? I heard the north is a little safer.
Is swimming in a hotel pool an option or is the water normally too cool?
Just trying to receive your thoughts and/or suggestions.
I have read this board entirely, and follow it religously. All the posters have made Cali sound like a great place to go.
Any help would be great.
Dollar Bill$
Hey Bill,
Antifreeze will not be in Cali during most the time you are in country. I will be passing through Bogota and we could perhaps hook up in Bogota. Email me @ XTNsurfer@hotmail.com to discuss.
If your budget is $40 or so I'd try Hotel Don Jaime on Avenida Sexta as it is RIGHT in the action. Staying near the mall makes less sense IMHO.
Antifreeze
07-25-03, 23:42
Dollar Bill,
I'll be in Medellin from August 1st to August 10th. I'd also like to meet you, but it will be possible only if you're in Cali after August 10th.
I also like to swim. I swim between 2 and 3 miles every day. There is a georgious pool in the south (olympic size and outdoor) that is called la pisina pan-americana. This is from far the best pool that I had the chance to swim in. Temperature is plain perfect, and taking a sun bath while taking your bath is just so great. Be sure to bring some sun-block if you want to try it. Sun block is pretty expensive down here.
Antifreeze
If you stay at the Hostal San Fernando, Rigo will offer you entrance to the Club San Fernando, a nice private club (like a country club in the U.S.) with a huge pool, perfect for swimming laps. The club is walking distance (7 blks?) from the hotel, a totally safe area/walk. You can walk the neighborhood of the hotel at night, it's safe.
It's five minute / us$1 taxi to the Rayda (Rayda are apartments, not hotel) and the Casino.
I like the North also, but since you mention you want a pool, this is a good option, and close to the North (ChipeChape is 15 minutes and I don't remember exactly, but 3,500-4,500 pesos (under us$2).
Simple Man
07-28-03, 17:05
I recently returned from a 10 day trip to Cali. To give my opinions some perspective, I have also traveled and hobbied in Panama, Argentina, Costa Rica, Medellin and throughout Mexico. I must admit that I love Colombian women. There are many, many beautiful women in Cali but I prefer the women of Medellin. There's just something about a Paisa.
First let me say that Cali is not for everyone. I traveled with three friends and two of them returned to Panama City after 4 days. They just couldn't get into the scene in Cali. My other traveling companion and I loved it.
I stayed at the Hostal San Fernando, you can get the information regarding the Hostal at www.calihotel.com. In my opinion it is a great place to stay, especially if it is your first time to Cali. The host, Rigo, will go out of his way to make sure that you find what you are looking for and that you have a good time. Throughout my 10 day stay I doubt that he got more than 4 hours of sleep a night. He stays up until the last guest comes in at night. Rigo or one of his staff must let you in and out of the premises through a locked gate. Rigo is deeply concerned for the safety of his guests. It is easy to loose site of the fact that Cali is a dangerous city and if you forget that you can get into trouble. Rigo is constantly advising you of where is safe and where is not. I can truthfully say that my own family has never made me feel so welcome.
That having been said on to the important stuff:
Perhaps the best known place in town is Floras Fresca, Calle 20N, No. 4N-16. The girls there range from 3-8's. I have read some of the posts here regarding specific girls and there so-called bad attitudes and refusal to accept a smaller fee for their services. I personally went with two of the girls that were previously spoken about, Johanna and Evelyn. Both these girls where extremely sweet and gave me incredible service. In fact I spent three nights with Johanna and she was incredible the highest price I ever paid these girls was $150,000 pesos an hour, about $55.00. After that they would offer me lower prices. I was nice and respectful to the girls and they truly seemed to appreciate it. My friend went out with the girl referred to as having a butterfly tattoo on her ass--they are actually eyes-- her name is Brigith same prices and a very sweet and nice girl. One thing to look out for at Floras Fresca is being labeled as cheap. One of the guys that returned to Panama early refused to tip one of the girls from the lesbian show one night, claiming that he had already tipped the other girl. After that he couldn't even get a girl there to talk to him. One of the girls told me about another American that tipped a girl $1,000 pesos, about 40 cents, for a lap dance and asked for change. That guy was essentially black balled by the girls there. It is important to remember that these girls are working there to support themselves and quite often their families, but the majority of them have pride and would rather go home and spend time with their families than go out with you for a price that they feel is too low. To me, it doesn’t make sense to spend the money on airfare and hotels and then go home dry over $5-10 dollars, just my opinion.
Other than Floras, I had my best luck at private houses. Early in my trip a cab driver told me that there is a house on practically every block in Cali, from my experience he seems to be right. The problem is that the majority of the cab drivers in Cali are absolutely clueless. We had the good luck to find a driver that brought us to at least fifteen houses in one day. The prices in these houses range from $40,000 ($15) to 100,000 (around $37) for an hour, most have lower rates available for ½ hour but I didn't bother with that. There are between 4-30 girls available at the houses at any given time. I unfortunately lost a piece of paper on which I had listed the addresses of several of the houses below are the names and addresses that I still have:
For my taste the best by far was Kaliente, Calle 25 Norte No 2 Bis - 47 B. San Vicente, (2) 653-6832. Had around 15 girls available when I was there but claimed that around 20 were coming back the following week. These were, for my taste, the hottest chicks I saw at any club, ranged between 18-25 years old. What the owners do is recruit girls from other cities to work there. The girls live, sleep and eat at the house and must be there six days a week, Sunday is an optional work day. Price is $100,000 pesos for an hour on premises, all inclusive, in a clean air conditioned room or $180,000 pesos (approx. $65) for three hours to go. I spent time with several girls there and had a great time with each of them. Most claim that they have never done this type of work before, supposedly the owners send girls to the child welfare offices and approach struggling single mothers with promises of making huge amounts of cash working at the house, so it may be true.
Other houses without comment:
El Eden, Calle 5, No. 63A-19, 551-1775
Hero's Club, Cra. 30 A N0. 7-73, 557-4391
Club Social Dina's, Cra 50 No. 10-31, 553-5007
Venu's Club, Carrera 66 No.9-61, 330-1104
Suenos, Cra. 44, #5B-79, 551-7748
Clinica Del Dr. Amor & Another, Av. 2N No 23-37
Faragon Calle 2 # 23-48, There are at least 4 other houses within 5 blocks of Faragon, but I lost the names and numbers, sorry.
This list just begins to scratch the surface of what is available in Cali for P4P some of the most fun I had was exploring the City looking for new houses, the best time to explore is during the day because many of the houses are geared towards giving the working man a nooner.
A lot of guys are talking about the non-pro action in Cali. It is true that you can go to Chippe Chapi or Uni Centro, two malls in town, in the evenings or on the weekends and meet any number of young ladies. I am 38 years old and in the worst shape of my life but every girl I approached at either of these places was as happy as could be that I had done so and readily agreed to go out with me and immediately gave me their telephone numbers. That being said I did not call any of them. Getting the numbers was just a game and a way to pass a couple of evenings before we went out. I did talk to several guys that were trying to date these girls and they all kept complaining about what liars the girls were etc. In my opinion the girls are aptly named non-pros because you do not get what you pay for, and make no mistake you will pay. What these girls are professionals at is separating you from your money, you will be buying them clothes, shoes etc. In the states we would call these girls "golddiggers" and I choose not to waste my money or time with them.
If you are looking for a girlfriend or wife I don't think that the mall is the place. In my opinion one of the most appealing things about a latina girlfriend or wife is the traditions and values that have been instilled in them by their families. I don't believe that these girls hanging around the mall anxious to date any wallet that comes along have these values. I would recommend that anyone looking for a serious girlfriend or wife try a different route, like meeting someone in the town that can introduce your or present you to girls from good families. This is more time consuming but the end result will be far more satisfying. Always check the pedigree.
Regardless, Cali is a city with numerous P4P options. Be careful and have fun.
Dollar Bill
07-29-03, 22:26
Antifreeze, Aussie Greg, Surfer, and all other mongers in Colombia!,
I have talked to Surfer, and it looks like he has convinced me to hit Bogotá, Cali, and Medellín.
I will arrive in Bogota on Aug 6th and try to hook up "mi amiga - Vicki" while there.
Aug 7th, fly to Medellín, and stay till Sunday. Surfer advised me to not try to buy a plane ticket until I get to Colombia. He says it will cost me 1/4 - 1/2 of the price doing this vs. using the internet to purchase a ticket. How much was your ticket from Cali to Medellín?
Aug 11th - Aug 15th - work in Bogotá during the day, while doing research for WSG at night.
Aug 16th - Aug 20th - take a early flight to Cali and spend 4 nights in paradise! I am still a little unsure about which hotel, but I think that I am leaning towards "Hotel Don Jaime on Avenida Sexta" since it is Surfer's recommendation. I want to be close to the action.
Aug 20th - back to Bogotá
Aug 21st - Back to México
Is getting Vitamin "V" difficult in Colombia? Does it require an medical exam or prescription? I tried it once (stole one from my Dad's stash while I was home visiting) and it work for like 14 hours. I do not remember any problems with headaches, just waking up with a stiffy and putting it to my then-girlfriend a few more times. I figure if there is going to be a "stud" convention in Medellín, then I better take some performance enhancing drug to get me in the competition. (ha)
I look forward to meeting Freeze, Aussie Greg, Surfer, and anyone else down there.
Dollar Bill$
Aussie Greg
08-04-03, 19:24
Ola Amigo,s,
Just packing my bags after 2 months in paradise, 1 month in Cali and 1 month in Medellin.
Not looking forward to the long trip back to Aussie.
Didn't get to the coast but back in 10 mes and will do this with a pretty paisa chicky babe.
Cali, stayed with a colombian family in south Cali. Recieved top service and was one of the family, I can recomend this style of family accomidation with personal body guard, taxi service, home cooked meals ect.
Did all the monger things in Cali but was missing some thing I throught, headed of to Medellin.
Met Antifreeze and a nice guy he is but that changed when I seen him at all the places I was at! He's like me!
Trired to walk up the big hill in Cali with Antifreeze and my landlord but only made the second level! they thought that I was weak but I only wanted to talk to all the pretty girls coming down the hill!
Medellin, stayed at a Casa that Steve and Robert owned. Now Steve has brought out Robert so is only Steve now in charge. Steve has about 800 girls on his computor to look at and meet, I met about 20 and a few girls in the street and bars.
To me Medellin is better than Cali because the girls are I think more European looking and more beautifull and taller, it is spot the ugly girl in Medellin and there are not many. I will be returning to Medellin and Id like to die there!
That is all untill I get home, if anybody is interested in the family run house in Cali e-mail me gr4327@yahoo.com.au and I will pass on there details.
Adios amigo.
Aussie Greg.
Aussie Greg,
Since Medellin is a potential next stop on my Colombia crusades I would love to hear more details about your trip. Not just mongering but your complete impressions of the city. Have a great trip back mate.
Dollar Bill
08-09-03, 18:56
In Cali right now. was in Bogota but Cali is like heaven compared to Bogota...
Have a very special friend that I will report on a little latter.
Just wanted to say I am here and if any other mongers are coming or are here, let me know.
I am staying at Hotel Don Jaime.
Surfer - hope to see you here tonight. (Saturday) Room 304.
Dollar Bill$
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Dollar Bill
08-15-03, 21:01
Antifreeze,
Heading bshok to Cali tomorrow AM. Maybe on Monday AM, if you are up to "no good," maybe we could make the tour of your favorite spots. Saw and partied a little bit with Surfer last night. He told me that you had a beautiful friend working at Farrion. I would like to meet her friends. I know that your friend is taken already so I won't go down that road!
I will be staying at the Don Jaime again. I hope to be in room 304 as that is a room with ORGY written all over it!!!
We be in touch!
Dollar Bill$
Antifreeze
08-15-03, 21:08
Dollar Bill,
I am leaving for Pereira tonight. The city where all women have a hearing problem: "You tell them to sit down, and they actually lay down".
I will be doing the caballata there. For those who do not know, a caballata is a horse ride where you get yourself drunk on the horse back and then wonder that with all the advances in technology, a horse can bring you back home and a car still don't...
I may get back Saturday night since we have another party at some friends place, but maybe not. The plans are dangerously in the hands of my wife. Latinas normaly spend half their energy making plans and the other half enjoying not respecting them. So, if I'm in town on Sunday, let's go up las tres cruces together.
Aussie Greg
08-18-03, 02:21
gidday slick, antifreeze ect !!
slick, sorry for not getting back to you sooner, had a lot on my plate on my return to aussie.
my impressions on medellin, well it is my prefered city in colombia so far. given that i have not been to the coast yet and only been to two city's, cali and medellin. i think now that i have a bit of piasa in me, or i've put a bit of aussie in a few piasa's. if you speak to antifreeze well he will tell you cali is his choice.
i like medellin because it is more like a european city, shopping malls, there are many more trees in the city, the air is cleaner, two golf cources, another girlfriend of mine, well her brother was a caddie, and the people are different to.
the woman are generally taller, whiter and i think it is right what they write about the picas's chicks is that they go for what they want and usally get it ( men ) and dont care if they are married or have a boy friend.
one time i went to a hospital to see a girlfriend who worked their, all her friends came out of their officers to meet me. i ended up rooting a firiend of hers the next night who wanted me, they know what they want and will do anything to get it, even root there girlfriends boyfriend!
as for the monger spots, i think you dont need them if your like us slick, all you do is go shopping, find someone you like and go for it. medellin does not have the gringo's that cali has. i used to hate shopping but now in medellin i just love it, they all know you are a gringo because of how we look, they just stare at you with their big eye's, i've never been raped !!! so many times by their eye's. i just love it.
anyway i hope there is something in this for you slick, how is your mate going, the boy from jamacia! regards to him.
aussie greg.
Aussie Greg,
Hello Mate!
Glad to see you made it back Ok.
I think you have persuaded me to try Medellin on my next foray into Colombia. Although my little Calena, who really is from Pereira, wants me to visit with her family in Pereira, you have convinced me that I need to check out the land of the Paisa. Taller, whiter, less Americans, thats enough for me. Glad to hear the Paisa can stare you down just like the Calena. I'll tell the Jamaican you say hello.
Gotta agree with Aussie Greg that Medellin is a nicer CITY (cooler, cleaner, nicer malls, more scenic etc.), but from a mongering perspective I must respectfully disagree (though he spent MUCH more time in Medellin than I did). Prices for everything (including pros) are DEFINITELY higher (and options MUCH more limited), and I did not find the Paisa as flirty, sexy or forward as the Calena. If blondes are your thing, then Medellin may be your preference as the gringa look is more common. For those that prefer the sultry morena, however, Cali remains the bomb IMHO.
The paisa do not dress NEARLY as sexy as Calenas (more "refined" & "classy" dressing, more European, but less sexy IMHO). Perhaps it was my timing being there during the "big" event of the year, the Flower Festival, when the town was PACKED and they were in family groups etc. I also met one Paisa who REALLY rocked my World so I spent most my time with her (in fact, when I took antifreeze to one of Medellin's top casas, Loutron, I abstanied as I was literally "drained" from my amiga!).
And regarding Medellin having less gringos, I can count the total I have seen during two trips to Cali on one hand (though I avoid the Hotel Inter and see no need for an "agency", so perhaps by avoiding their preferred hotel I have been insulated.
Argentina ....? Buenos Aires
I believe Medellin is the best town to meet a nice, beautiful, down to earth chica. If you speak spanish you can easily do it on your own .. if not, go thru a service like I posted about here before on the Medellin page (see: www.colombiansweethearts.com).
Also another service is opening soon in Medellin and the owner is a really cool guy. More about this soon once it's up and running.
Buenos Aires ... in my opinion ... nice looking ladies ... hot! ... but not nearly as approachable as the Colombianas.
Just my humble opinion once again.
Suerte!
Hi Guys,
have to agree with Ricker here...allthough I think also in Cartagena,Barranquilla and other larger cities one can find a "nice girl".
Indeed many argentinian women are VERY arogant and down right stock up. That is what at least 3 Americans have told me (which I know)that were allready there.
Hot...pretty...sure.....but a good life mate?? I doubt it.
IMHO Colombia and Brasil are the countries were the chicks are.
Argentina can be ok for mongering...but looking there for a wife??
Johan.
Maybe it is because there are so many blondes among the Paisa, so my looks are less unique, but I got LESS flirty looks in Medellin than any just about any other city in Colombia (save perhaps Cartagena).
IMHO, the "best" places are the mid-sized cities which are off the main path of visitors (BOG-CLO-MDE-CTG). I have a personal favorite, but I won't be posting it here (sorry).
Guys,
Is Cali or Columbia in general a good place for bareback full service? I'm in Asia, where this is redily available, and as much as I want to try Latinas, I don't want to spend a lot of money to fuck a rubber. I've heard Brazil and Argentina are not good for this, wonder if Columbia is any better?
Opebo,
Based on my experience, I would say it’s fairly easy to screw chicas bareback in Colombia. Obviously, there’s many factors that play into this equation as every situation is different. For me, it was most easily available with the non and semi-pro girls. Of the ten calenas I had sex with, I went bareback with 5 of them. 2 of the girls were non-pros who had very few sexual partners prior to me (not that this matters). The other 3 chicas I would categorize as semi-pros. I met them thru a friend as the girls were just getting started in the pay 4 play game. The other 5 girls I was with, I didn’t have a desire to go bareback even if it was offered. One of the girls was a SW, and others were seasoned pros who were a little on the trashy side.
I do remember one of the non pros asking me to put on a rubber. She was concerned about getting pregnant. I told her to trust me and also let her know I was too drunk for release. I think the rest allowed bareback because they were into the moment and wanted to feel the extra sensation that one gets when going sin condon.
As in the States, there are the inherent risks of going bareback which we are all aware of. For me, I treat every situation different and I’m actually open to more bareback sex in Latin America then in the states. As I meet more non-pro girls from Latin America, I find they have less sexual partners (haven’t gone to Brazil) then their US counterparts. Most have only had 1 to 3 sexual partners and never engaged in one night stands. Of course, just because a girl has had few sexual partners doesn’t totally diminish the risk of disease (especially since most of the dudes in Latin America cheat on their girlfriends.) Therein is the risk reward factor and one I'm willing to accept.
With that being said, there are situations where I will absolutely NOT go bareback. These include…When a pro tells you bareback is okay if you pay extra. The chica in general has bad hygiene. The chica is a seasoned pro or a SW.
Be careful out there Opebo. Realize that it’s a numbers game and probably just a matter of time before yourself or I come down with something. Hopefully, carefully choosing your partner will lessen this risk.
Late,
Judd
I posted several photos yesterday in the 'photos section' of chicas i recently found in both Cali and Medellin.
Disfrute.
PolyOrchid
09-17-03, 18:23
I know some of you veterans spend a lot of time or maybe even live in Cali, or other parts of Colombia.
I'm a 55 year-old American guy who spent a few weeks in Cali a few years ago and fell in love with Colombia, Cali, and most especially, las Calenas.
I'm retiring later this year, have a good nest egg and would like to live in Cali. However, I would like to have some kind of small, income-generating business there since my nest egg is not of sufficient size to carry me for what I hope is many more years on this beautiful planet.
So, my question to any of you who is in the know: Can a gringo legally own a business, and live legally in Colombia? Many thanks for any input.
Antifreeze
09-18-03, 14:54
LomeTogo,
I live and work in Cali. Getting a legal status that doesn't force you to get out of Colombia every couple of months is a pain in the butt. There are 2 ways around this: 1) get married, or 2) a bribe in the right hands. Getting married should take you 1-2 weeks. That is a walk in the park. Provided that you do not intend to live oversees, you get rid of the passport diggers. Now you are left to spot the golddiggers and move on.
As for having a business in Colombia, it's pretty much a pain in the butt. I personally chose not to do that because of the inherent complexity of the system. Quick example: your invoice numbers... When you right an invoice in Colombia, you can not pick just any number. You need to have a number range (about 1000 at a time) approved by the government (NIT). If you lose any of those invoices, you're in trouble. Your accounting needs to have them reproduced in there and so on. So, bottom line is that you'll need to get in line for a couple of hours every second month to go and beg for numbers; who wants that??? After that, there is the bank mess. In Colombia, you can't just put a check in an enveloppe and send it (they get stolen, photocopied), for every bill that you get (including your business), you need to go at a different bank (the bank of the issuer of the bill), and pay it in cash there. That's a whole lot of banks to visit for a business. For those fun trips, I have a guy with his moto that does it for me for about $3/hour. But still, it's quite a mess. I prefer opening my bank account in Panama also. They are in US dollars and totally confidential.
I"m headed to Cali next month and need some information. Does anybody know if the Hotel Valle Real is close to Flores Frescas?
ALDO7,
That hotel is not close enough to walk to Flores frescas, However it is a short taxi ride for about 2500 pesos each way. Flores frescas is over priced and in my opinion I think way over rated.You can often do better than that both in quality and price in the many houses in Cali or even off the street, but that is only one man's opinion.
AA has a special fare, a weekend web-only fare, $319, MIA to Cali or Medellin, depart only Oct/15-17, return only Oct/19-21 (or is that 20-22?).
Guys:
Studying Spanish abroad 6-10 months is my plan. Mexico was my choice at first. I’ve been Mexico several times and have some friends there, but it’s little pricey. Colombia is much cheaper. Antifreeze,Ricker,Sufer, and other experts, what's my best bet. Cali or Medellin?
Money is a big issue in my case. After car and condo payments, I only have $700-1000’month to spend. Does it enough cover rent, food, mongering, and cab? Yes, the safety issue. Studying in Colombia is little risk mission. I don’t mind some adventures, but it sucks if you’re kidnapped for ransom or robbed every other day. So, Medellin or Cali, which one is better for longer stay. Thanks, guys.
Antifreeze
10-16-03, 15:25
supertomcat001,
Medellin is not as secure as Cali. Medellin is surrounded by mountains that are host to paramilitaries and other self pronounced police.
I have lived in Cali for more than 6 months now. I go to work every day in bus ($0.25) and I and my familly (3 persons) live on $1200/month. So, $700/month is plenty of money here if you do not go in one of those special appartments for foregners that charge up to $40/day. I live in an 1800 sq. foot appartment that costs about $225/month (with security guards downstairs and indoor parking lot). I live the way colombians do, and that is the way to go in Cali.
I encourage you to come to Cali. You could even get private Spanish lessons from a cuttie in a bed...
Good luck!
Antifreeze,
I will be coming sown to stay for a couple months to and I am in a similiar situation to supertomcat001. If you could can you please give me any recomendations for an affordable place to stay? I would love to have a place like yours as the size and rent is great, however I was under the impression that it is hard to get a apartment for a short term like that because 1) Apartments like that typically require 6-12 month leases, and 2) most would be unfurnished so it would not be practical for someone staying a few months.
In your experience is it possible to find nice, furnished, apartments, houses for rent on a month to month basis, and if so where would be a good place to look?
Thanks in advance.
Yo Tomcat: I agree with Antifreeze and would probably choose Cali over Medellin, especially if cost is critical. Primary advantages of Medellin are a milder climate (Cali is tropical), better malls, and more golf courses. Not sure I agree with freeze that security is worse in Medellin, but he has spent more time in Cali than me (lucky bastard!). But then the city is not where you are likely to run into the FARC anyway, they hang in the countryside.
There are also more white skinned blondes if that is your thing (I prefer Morenas).
After visiting Colombia, "vacationing" in Mexico would be like voluntering to go to prison instead of paradise. Ask Dollar Bill, he lives in Mexico but NOW he knows Colombia!
Antifreeze,
Thanks for your information and always great posts. I have been in Cali about 8 times now and getting ready to take the plunge and move there. Can you tell me how you found your apartment and in what area do you live? I usually stay in an aparta hotel but it is not practical for long term. Per day it is very nice but about 32 dollars a day. I am looking to stay in the North area around Grenada or Santa Monica.These are more expensive areas but a bit quieter. I enjoy the nightlife in Cali but prefer the Blues Brothers Bar or the London Bar for music & drinking. These are easily the most popular bars for expats and visitors from the USA and Europe.As for the women, many Cali girls know the reputation of the cliental of these bars and go there with the express purpose of meeting a new friend.
Anyway, thank you again for your posts they are very honest and helpful.
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Antifreeze:
Thanks for those tips, $225/month apartment with security guards sounds a great deal, but on your old posts you said that foreigners couldn’t rent without "propredad raise" or any income. What’s the deal?
Surfer:
I wouldn’t worry about FARC. State’s department gives us bullshit all the time. What I consider is street crimes, such as robbery, scam, and pocketpicker, etc… I don't want end in a ditch after getting in a cab. BTW, which one has more blondes. Meddllin or Cali?
Antifreeze
10-19-03, 20:50
Hi guys,
I am sorry about the time it took to answer. I was stuck in New-York and Canada for 2 weeks enjoying the lack of a sex life with the prelude of winter.
Yes, rent is cheap... But the type of paperwork that is involved is a pain in the butt. I was able to get around those requirements by paying 3 months in advance. You may be able to do the same with a reasonable landloard that would understand your situation. This is somewhat risky also though. Your landloard may as well kick you out the day after you've paid. So keep the right paperwork so you have something to hold to if worst comes to worst.
I am sorry not to be able to be more specific about where to find rent. I would suggest starting with El Pais (http://www.elpais-cali.com).
Good luck
Freeze
I realize many of the people on this board are in the know about Cali and do not need anyone to help them find their way when they visit.However, for the guys who are looking for a guide to the nightlife, someone who has full knowledge of the "Casas" , and more importantly how and where to meet ladies that party, then Andres Morales is your man. He is a fun resourceful young guy who is fully fluent in English after having lived in the states many years.His rates are very reasonable as well as negotiable. Andres can also arrange airport pick up and cheap hotels by request. In Cali, he is a very good friend to have.
His contact : calidude_co@yahoo.com
Regards,
Shaft57
If I needed a guide for Cali, which I don't, I would choose Andres too. He is young & hip, and is a really nice guy who would be a great partner for chasing nonpros in discos and the like.
Supertomcat: While I agree that the State Department cries wolf way too much, and I do NOT give much credence to its warnings, I wouldn't so cavalierly discount the risk of kidnapping by FARC if you venture into the countryside. Not saying it cannot be done, but to deny the VERY REAL risk is courting trouble IMHO. Colombia is a country where trouble can find you in a hurry, even if you are NOT seeking it out. And the CONSEQUENCES of being unlucky are drastic (word has it they relish in torturing/killing Americans whose families refuse to pay the ransom demands).
surfer is right. while chances are nothing will happen, dont ever kid yourself and think that it cant. it can be a very dangerous place to be and life means
i will tell you something that i worry more about then being kidnapped and that is being put in jail down there. i know a guy that went down there five months ago and had a local guy hook him up with a girl for some action. well come to find out the girl was ****, even though she said she was legal. the police had been watching this local guy as i guess someone had reprted him. well they threw him and the guy i know in jail and he is still in jail going on 5 months.
even if your not with **** girls, as a visitor your pretty much guilty until proven innocent there so keep your nose extra clean.
Slick, Antifreeze, Aussie and others, thanks for the good reports about this undervisited sex paradise ;
I am a regular of Brasil (Sampa and others inland cities) and all that have been said here in this Colombia thread gave me a strong desire to visit soon Cali and Medellin : many bars, discos, pick-up places have been reported, thanks for it, but the only things i couldn't find in the discussions are hotels ;
someone reported Inter as a pain in the arse for bringing girls, so what could be the others alternatives for some good AND guest friendly hotels (with in-room safe, and pool if possible) ;
Thanks in advance for any answer (any hotels infos about Mendellin and Baranquilla are welcome too) ;
Cheers
in barranquilla, hotel prado is the upscale option (more than us$50). if it is beyond your budget, still stay in el prado rather than centro. i stayed at this moorish themed place recommended by lonely planet (about $25) but i forgot the name. could find it if you want.
in cali, the budget minded monger's hotel of choice is hotel don jaime on avenida sexta right in the heart of the action. cost about $20. bellhop gustavo speaks great english and is a very connected kind of guy if you get my drift.
the story about the guy being set up by the police with the **** girl is frigtening. if you have any more info on the incident, i would be very interested as i have some friends living in cali and also know some of the sexta street girls. my email is xtnsurfer@hotmail.com. thanks.
Opps, forgot to give info on Medellin. In Medellin you MUST stay in the Poblado section. Hotel Plaza Rosa gets rave reviews for good value but was full when I was there during the Flower Festival in August. I stayed at Hotel Mercure near the Oveido shopping center which is HIGHLY recommended! InterC is old, isolated up on the hill, but is close to many good entertainment options.
I also do know a place with pool and inroom safe in Cali that is WAY more upscale than Don Jaime but prefer to share it by email.
Surfer, thanks for your answers, it's this kind of mongers fraternity which make WSG the best of all !...
About Cali, as (in my eyes) being in the heart of red light district (heart of action ?) should not be a good choice for the 'image' given to the non-pros (as staying in Copacabana in Rio target you immediatly as a sex tourist), i'm more interested with your upscale choice (if it's guest friendly :) !)
Prado in Barranquilla and Mercure in Mendellin seems to be very good choices ;
BTW, what are your options to take a girl a few days in a beach resort or any cool place ?
Cheers
Pro
If you really like a chica, San Andreas Island is a great place to take her. Make arrangements in a Colombian agencia de Viajes (travel agency) ... much cheaper.
Plenty of flights from all the major cities in Colombia ... included with your package from the travel agency.
Also Santa Marta is a cool place to take a chica ... northern Colombia.
By the way ... Ave Sexta is not a red light district in Cali ... chicas will not think your a sex fiend if you stay in a hotel there. You'll have a better time ... closer to discos / cafes if you're there too.
In Medellin ... Hotel Plaza Rosa if it's available is your best bet. Definitely not in a red light district.
Ricker thanks the infos ;
Av Sexta in Cali sounds good as to stay in a lively area with regulars bars and cafes is a real ++ for me ; Surfer reported the Don Jaime, any other alternative in a more upscale guestfriendly place ?
Thanks
Pro
Pro,
I liked Rigo's place, Hostal San Fernando, as a bargain yet quite sufficiently nice place (very clean!). www.hotelcali.com. Great neighborhood, safe, and short cab to everywhere.
There is no redlight district in Cali (or none as obvious). Yet, I discovered that Av. Sexta area was quite worthless for about anything (other than nasty - yet an occasional find - streetwalkers). The restaurants there are not good compared to other spots... the bars are not populated with hottie non-pros... and it's not necessarily the area of casas (pro action), although it's nearby.
I have more detail in my extensive trip report which was in Jul-03.
One Great Man
10-25-03, 21:15
Hi guys:
I read reports on electronic translators on one of these posts. Unfortunately, I don't remember which one, and I didn't copy the brand names down! If anyone has suggestions, I'd appreciate a post at This1greatman@yahoo.com. This would be of benefit to all us mongers.
Leo, thanks for the advice about San Fernando Hotel and the atmosphere on Sexta avenue : when you say that the bars there are not populated with some hotties non-pros, where are they to be found :) ?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Pro
I give a ton of detail on nonpro spots, in my trip report (july?) in this cali thread. Malls, bars, clubs, other places - times, concerns, plans, etc.
Post any specific questions so I can help further.
Leo, i've been throught the thread some weeks ago but for whatever reason missed your post !!
Now found and printed it ; Thanks
Cheers
Pro
Pro,
When you going? I'll (we'll) be very interested to see how your trip went... hear your stories!
Leo, i'll arrive in Sao Paulo on 26 December, for New year's Eve in one of the good clubs there, then a little side trip to Goiania, back to Sampa and leaving to Cali around 12 January (flight Varig SP/Bogota) : i can't wait to meet some Calenas !!
Cheers
Does anybody have any info on how cel phone works in Cali. I havea cingular GSM phone. Can I buy any sim card in Cali to work with my tri band celluar phone?
El Colorado
11-08-03, 20:14
I'm a regular on the Cuban forum, but have decided to take the plunge and try out Cali. Based on the posts I've read here, it sounds perfect.
Shaft57 - You endorsed Andreas as a guide. What did you pay him per day? Did it include gas?
Some posters say I should bring US currency and exchange it at black marker rates. I saw the exchange rate in a currency converter as 2.9 CP to the US dollar. Can I expect that rate down there?
I'm looking for a place to stay. It sounds like the north end of Cali is the safest. I want some creature comforts and room, but don't want to pay the Intercontinental rates. An apart hotel or apartment would be great. I want to have access to a pool and either a balcony or courtyard so that I can hang out outside. Any advice would be appreciated.
I'm looking for a place where to spend new year's eve and talking with a girl from Cali she told me that every year there's a big convenction of salsa bands (feria) and the whole town is quite a nice place to be during that period. Anyone that has been there can confirm ? What would be instead a nice location to relax by the beach ? I like kind of untouched places and don't mind having to travel a little before getting to the city for action.
I was in Cali last XMAS season ... it was a blast! Lots of chicas from all over Colombia. Every night was like a Friday night.
If I remember correctly though ... the first week of the year (after New Years eve party) ... it is absolutely dead ... the casas with chicas ... the streets ... everything.
Right before XMAS and up to Dec 31 is really fun ... people are ready for a party!
El Colorado, see my post of Jun-2003 for some info.
It is nearly always best to use an ATM in foreign countries (economically speaking) vs. exchanging US/Euro currency, using a CC, or using travelers checks.
Regarding a black market rate of 2.9 (if I read you correctly) - the FX is currently 2,860 more or less - about the same as the 2.9 so why bother with any extra risk?
-Leo
El Colorado
11-13-03, 01:48
Leo - Thanks for your response. I checked out your summer 2003 posts and picked up some good tips. A few questions if you don't mind.
Did you use a guide like Ramon, Carlos or Andreas? If so, what did you pay them per day? Can you make a recommendation?
Is the pool at Hostel San Fernando or at the club. How far is the club from the Hostel? Was the hostel chica friendly for girls other than agency girls? What were you charged per day for viewing and setting up dates from the hostel's listing of women?
Are there outdoor places to hang out during the day at the hostel?
Is the south end of Cali as safe as the north end?
Did you stay anywhere else in Cali?
Thanks in advance.
El Colorado
i'll answer the questions in a post, vs. private email, in case other wish to follow along... sorry if that's the wrong approach.
Did you use a guide like Ramon, Carlos or Andreas?
my friends had a guy named raul - but i'm more of an anti-guide type. i love having to speak spanish, and shy away from english speaking girls... true the guides can take you places you might not know about, but wsg has so much detail on 80-90% of all the places you'll need to hit (unless you're there for months).
If so, what did you pay them per day?
it was more of an hourly thing i believe... or arranged for a day... maybe one of them can follow up, i think they read here.
Can you make a recommendation?
sorry, i'm not the right guy to recommend in this area.
Is the pool at Hostel San Fernando or at the club. How far is the club from the Hostel?
the pool is at the club. it is 5-6 blks, so walking distance if you want a little walk, taxi (like us$1) if you just showered and it's sweltering out. there is a nice drug store, juice/smoothy place, supermarket, and 3-4 atms between the places, so i walked often.
Was the hostel chica friendly for girls other than agency girls? What were you charged per day for viewing and setting up dates from the hostel's listing of women?
it's more like an apartment in that regard, so you can do what you like - have 3 girls over at once i guess - they don't care (unless you create a disturbance). i don't know if they have any listing, or can help you by providing a meeting... i never asked for that (given it's so easy to meet girls in casas, malls, street, bars, discos).
Are there outdoor places to hang out during the day at the hostel?
not really... only a very small couryard suitable for a coffee/bfst... waiting for a taxi... just talking...
Is the south end of Cali as safe as the north end?
both have equally safe and dangerous areas - you really can't categorize it like that. the areas like santa monica, av sexta, chipechape are safe, in the south, and probably better than staying south. but hostal s.f. is not in the south - more of the central. unicentro mall is in the south, and it's a distance (maybe 6000 pesos taxi) away.
Did you stay anywhere else in Cali?
i didn't... i've only visited once. i have friends who have stayed at rayda apts, intercontinental, a friend has a place in santa monica (it's kind of remote though).
StudPlayer
11-13-03, 15:20
13 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
Colombia rocks!
Yesterday before leaving Medellin for Cali (due to the total lack of decent hotel rooms due to a horse show) again I met a couple of the sweetest young cuties in the food court at Oviedo.
I am in Cali now. Posts to follow.
Private message me if you are in town.
StudPlayer
11-14-03, 02:53
Someone mentioned a swing club a while back in Cali. Does anyone remember what its name is and where it is? I have searched and cannot find it. Is it Club Ecstacy?
StudPlayer
11-14-03, 16:45
14 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
Yesterday went to a casa on Avenida 9B. 4 women, none better than a 5 (scale of 10 not 100 you perverts), but all sympatica, so I passed. This place is not recommended.
Last night hit Avenida Sexta. Went for an early nut with a 19 year old streetwalker - and for a streetwalker, what a beauty. As soon as we hit the room, my hotel room, she was naked in bed masturbating herself until she came. What a horny little girl she was. Total price 40,000 pesos or about US$15. Now tell me, all you sorry fucks stuck in the Police States of America, would you have gone for it even if streetwalkers aren´t your thing? Duh.
The scene around Mysti-K and the Forum Club is hopping. They are both located near Avenida Sexta and Calle 25. I am not into dark nightclubs so the numerous outdoor cafes on Avenida Sexta were just perfect for me. Great scene if you like friendly pretty young non-professional women. If you don´t, then you should stay away. In fact, considering how effin dangerous it is here, it is probably better that you stay away even if you like friendly pretty young women.
Things you can do in Cali safely:
1) Bone as many beautiful young women as is manly possible.
2) Dine in as many gourmet restaurants as is manly possible.
3) Hail a taxi on the street.
4) Bone as many beautiful young women as is manly possible.
Things you can't do in Cali safely:
1) Get shit-faced drunk and fall asleep on the street.
Today's plan is Avenida 2N this morning and then a mall scene around 5 or 6 this evening. Reports tomorrow.
Hey Stud.
I know a good place to stay in Cali rund by a cool American if you need it. About $25.00 a day.
Man in Panama
Maverick207
11-15-03, 17:41
For you Colombian vets out there: I have mongered in Costa Rica as it has a great variety of latin women (my favorite). I love Colombians and have always thought of hitting Colombia as a destination to monger.
I would love some information as where to stay in Cali and where to monger. I am young so I would be open to go after the non-pros and the locals. My spanish is improving so I know that is a plus.
My biggest detterent is the safety issue. I have heard both sides of the argument.
Is there a person who can give me good guidelines on how to monger in Cali. I will definitely be a newbie and would love instructions on where to stay, where to go and even whether I should just stick to Costa Rica as Colombians are available there (albeit for a much higher price) Also is there a guide or service that is in Cali who can guide me for a fee. I would love some price info as well as the cost of hotels, taxis, girls, clubs.- thank you in Advance.
Maverick207
El Colorado
11-15-03, 22:06
StudPlayer - Where are you staying? Can you describe the accomodations and tell us what you are paying? What side of Cali had the explosions and gun battle? El Pais said nothing about it today.
Man - How do I get in contact with the American who has the place to stay? What is it like? Is it totally chica friendly?
Here is the link:
http://www.calihotel.com/
StudPlayer
11-16-03, 16:53
16 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
El Colorado, obviously you did not understand that the parts about bombings and a running gun battle were complete jokes. Believe what you want in the fear-mongering government-controlled international media but this place seems no more dangerous and no safer than any city anywhere in the world. At times, if you did not know better, you would think you were in Cannes or Beverly Hills. At other times, you could be in any inner-city burnt-out slum anywhere in the world. Just use some sense and you will be fine.
Avenida 2N Scene - good, definitely some talent available but you need to shop around. Not a bad neighborhood but on the fringe of the good neighborhood so be careful there. The Doctor of Love place is undergoing remodeling but there are other places in this neighborhood.
A comparison of Unicentro and Chipechapa - Chipe has tons of security guards while Uni considerably less. Chipe is close to the Hotel Intercontinental, Uni is far. Women are more abundant at Chipe. There is a casino at Uni. So you can see for me it is a tough choice! (El Colorado, this is another joke in case you miss it.)
This is one of those 3 day weekends so the town is a little empty of nenas (I hope this is the case) but it is still real easy to have fun.
Hey Studplayer. I have heard varying reports about the Casas. One guy said he'd been to 40 casas and could only find 2 women he found attractive. He said that he'd been to 29 countries and Cali was worst city he'd ever been in for P4P. That sounds rather unbelievable considering the reports to the contrary.
Anyways.... I have a personal interest in this as I'm going there in about 13 days!
StudPlayer
11-16-03, 20:57
Poobah, in my experience, the casas are hit and miss. I have been to casas where I politely excused myself as there were no attractive women there and other times I have been to casas (especially the Avenida 2N casas) where there are 2 or 3 attractive women working.
In truth however you need not even go to a casa. The Calenas are very happy to meet and speak with men and especially a gringo. Don´t expect instant service though from a non-pro like you might elsewhere.
My opinions of course are based on only a few days of experience. I am just starting to get the hang of this place. Give me more time here and perhaps I will modify my ideas on this. All in all though Cali seems to be a great town and like I said in another post, here it is safe to hail a cab on the street.
If any Cali locals are around and want to show me around a little, the drink tabs are on me. Just private message me here on this board.
StudPlayer
11-17-03, 09:31
Sunday night report
Went and got a fox of a street walker to gain entrance to the swing club which is Spartacus the rest of the time except Sunday nights. What a mistake that was. Entrance was 50,000 pesos, about US$19 and of course this fox of a streetwalker started talking about getting paid before the end of the night and just generally acted badly. After cautioning her I would pay her afterwards and if she kept it up we would leave, we left. I took her to my hotel for a perfectly satisfactory session including photos afterwards. Expect photos soon as I have yet to enter the digital camera age. I do not recommend going to this swing club. There were 7 other couples there, all middle aged and the facility was hot and humid inside without beds. At 10 oclock in the evening everyone was just sitting around with their spouse/date and not interacting with others.
The scene around Mysti-K is really young and there is another club around the corner called the Podium and that is the club that was hopping tonight. If you happen to be a middle aged guy like myself however, forget trying to connect with any of these younger non-pros, it just doesn't work.
Cali is generally a pretty laid back place. I went to Tienda Vieja earlier in the evening but was refused admission because I was wearing shorts. No big as discos are really not my thing. Afterwards, I took a long long walk around the neighborhood and it seemed perfectly safe to me.
As far as grabbing a cab is concerned, only use a radio taxi. You can identify them by the radio antenna on the trunk. There are 3 different companies with these phone numbers : 3333333 ; 4444444; and 5555555. Other taxis may or may not give you the run around as happened to me this evening - no big, I told the driver to stop, paid him the US$1 fare and got out and got in one of the radio taxis. A cheap bad experience easily solved.
There is a casino at Unicentro in which 21 is played with the dealer receiving 2 cards before the players act. I prefer this over blackjack here where the dealer receives his second card after all the players have acted. A blackjack is paid immediately even if the dealer also has a blackjack which is a real advantage. There are no 10's in the deck although there are face cards.
There is a beer here called Poker. Guess what brand I drink. Quite fitting I think.
That´s all for now. More tomorrow.
StudPlayer
11-17-03, 22:29
Prices here are absolutely dirt cheap. I just went shopping at a major grocery store here, called Ley (how appropriate) and this is what is was able to buy for US$11 : 2 cans of coke, 3 packs of marlboro, 75 meters of johnson and johnson dental floss, a large package of oreos, a meter tape (a professional measuring tape, remember I plan on buying a place and it is somewhat important to know how big a place is), a liter of premium orange juice and 2 cans of Heineken.
This is one of those famous 3 day weekends so while the town is quiet I still have been able to have fun.
I agree about casas - very hit and miss. In fact, much more miss... but certainly you can find gems. Cali is so great for the non-pros, that I was always ok with the casas only being so-so or hit/miss.
On the other hand, 20 minute casa program is like us$10 - so why not just negotiate a BBBJ/TC CIM with no FS for that us$10? I mean, if you look at it that way, the casas work for you much better... a nice start to an evening searching for non-pros at the clubs... or before hitting the malls at about 5p for non-pros there...
Maharadjah
11-18-03, 17:20
Hey all,
Just come back from Cali. Good place, no safety problem (even when i get back at midnight).
A good place where there are show with girls : la FRESCA ROSA (ask a taxi) it will open at 9 pm but the better time is 10h30 pm.
If you want to meet girls a good link: http://www.allcolombiangirls.com/gallery.php.
Else my friend who live there will open shortly a streap tease casa. I'll give you the adress after.
StudPlayer
11-19-03, 20:29
How can a man grow 20 years younger in one night?
Do what I did last night. There are some hot streetwalkers along Avenida Sexta starting around 9 in the evening. Got a sweet young thang early in the evening and just the memory of that sweet young ass getting in the elevator at the hotel is enough to get me hot again. Total cost about US$15, although you can do it for as little as US$11 but good service demands fair compensation. Later in the evening, returned to Avenida Sexta, another sweet young thang, nice long massage (negotiated before-hand) and another sweet (or is it sweat?) time. So there you have it, here is the formula for growing 20 years younger in one night.
Just got finished having a great sushi lunch with Antifreeze and his sweet wife at Chipechape. We are planning on hitting a couple of casas tomorrow afternoon - but not with his wife.
Report to follow.
Cali rocks!
StudPlayer
11-21-03, 22:09
21 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
Yesterday I did a little casa hopping. There are some hot hot hot casas in the south part of the city.
I ended up at the Doctor of Love with Wendy - I think that was her name. One hour, 34,000 pesos or US$13, more or less. Due the high quality of service, I left a generous 10,000 peso tip (about US$3.50) stating I intended to be generous due to the high quality of her service. From what I could gather, a 5000 peso tip is about normal.
While Wendy´s service was top notch, I realized I got "gringoed" on the room which was room number 5 (to be avoided). It was noisy, the Coke guy came and you could hear him throwing Coke bottles around, everyone talking out in the hall, etc. I don´t know about everyone else but I like peace and quiet, a rare commodity in this increasingly crowded world. To make a long story short, after the excellent session I asked for and spoke with the "jeffe" and told him, in Spanish, exactly what had happened, that I did not appreciate the noise and please not to "gringo" me again. I think he was surprised by my Castillian Spanish.
Hit the Unicentro casino in the evening, a beautiful young calena estudiante sat down next to me, and even though she was with an amigo, we just had the nicest time together. She is planning on meeting me there again tonight, sin amigo - that is, if I can make it. You get the picture - a beautiful young calena wants to meet me at the casino and I am not sure I can make it! Adios Estados Unidos!
(Yes Jackson, I know this is an English only board but a little Spanish here and there for emphasis is ok, isn´t it?)
This morning my laundry was delivered by a laundry service I had pick up my clothes yesterday. Pants pressed and on a nice plastic hanger, 3 shirts pressed and on nice plastic hangers, a week´s worth of underwear and socks - total price 9000 pesos or about US$3, including pick-up and delivery service.
I know, it´s a tough life but somebody has to live it.
I have a couple of things that will probably not be well received, but here goes. First, Colombia IS a dangerous place. I know many Colombians in Miami who are afraid to visit right now. If you look gringo, your risks are much higher. A friend of mine recently got married in Cali and when he was at the Inter-Continental casino with his future wife, a group of men started harassing him and when he confronted them, one guy showed him a gun right in the casino. The casino security was no help at all. My friend had the impression that these were big narco trafficing guys that were close with the casino owners. My friend left soon after and he noticed one of the men following him out. He literally spent the next 2 weeks waiting for the wedding locked in his hotel room due to his fear. A bit of an over-reaction, but it shows you what can happen. The reason it's worse now than before is the US government is making life extremely difficult for the narco guys.
Second, I know everyone who gives a good tip means well and I'm glad to see people treating the women well, but keep in mind the other side of tipping well. When you give them a good tip, they feel they've been charging too little. So the prices come up. The tips keep coming, and the prices keep rising. After several iterations, we'll be approaching US prices in Colombia. This may seem silly, but it's true. If you talk to the old-timers, they'll tell you it's happened at great sex destinations all over the world.
The deals we make with these women are completely negotiable. To the girl, is sex worth $10, $100, or $200? The answer is it's worth whatever the previous guy was willing to pay.
There are others ways of tipping the girls. You can treat them with respect and kindness, pay attention to their sexual needs, or even take them out for a drink or dinner. None of these will raise the prices and the girls will probably appreciate these things more.
Antifreeze
11-22-03, 19:21
kdog,
Excellent post. I agree that you need to come to Colombia with your brain and your balls (not your brain in your balls). Sometimes you need one, sometimes you need the other. There are plenty of great things happening here, but also some pretty serious stuff. As an example, often during weekends (Friday and Saturday nights), drunks are driving while shooting in the air on my street (a little scary provided that I live on the 9th floor). This is the type of thing that one could imagine that police could fix, but police work is useless in here. Policemen are rich of a situation that provides them with the opportunity to bribe normal people for money, not much more.
El Colorado,
I am happy to meet with anyone that respects minimal decency standards (no hard drugs, not chasing 12 years old kids). If you fit those standards, send me your e-mail address, I'll get in touch with you. If not, do not botter getting in touch with me, we are not made to connect. My experience though is that a lot of people coming to Colombia do not meet those minimal standards and I do not have much respect for that (they just come to Colombia to do the shit they rightfully can't do in the US or else). Consequently, after many encounters with such people, I figured that the statistic was not good in regards to meeting gringos in Colombia. Chasing women is one thing that I can relate to, but they still need to be respected. Those women went through Hell most of the time, and truly could use a break. Colombian men do not treat them well, and they are truly jewels that call for respect. I've met many women that are marriage material even in casas. They just got there by a series of misfortune of life, and are decent people struggling for their lives and often even their family.
Good post Antifreeze.
I too have met some great guys on my trips and some real losers. Personally while I think many men do not fit the stereotypical 'sex tourist' some seem like the definition was written for them. I get a little cautious b/c some seem completely socially inept, have the chick's tits out in a nanosecond, asking in their horribly fractured Spanglish if they can bone her without a condom and then complaining they didn't get the GFE!!
The reason I go to foreign countries is to meet people (with an emphasis on women). I try to learn the language (at least enough to get by) b/c what is fun for me is the adventure, the chance to talk/laugh/joke with a cute chica and enjoy myself. While I've engaged in the 'point and click' shag, I usually find that less interesting. Esp. as I get older.
Anyways, I am going to be there in about 10 days. Can't wait. See you then.
The Poo
StudPlayer
11-24-03, 05:18
Sunday Nov 23, 2003 written in Medellin, Colombia
Gentlemen (and I use this term loosely),
There is so much to say about Cali I hope this post does not get too long.
While I had a GREAT time in Cali, I decided that it was not the place I wanted to live on a full time basis. The casas are great and there are many of them. The streetwalkers are great and there are many of them.
However, since Cali is a pueblo (read "small town" in English) I found it exceedingly difficult, impossible, to meet regular non-working women (for anything more than a casual chit-chat) as is so easy to do in other cities throughout the world. Perhaps I am socially inept or just getting older but I do not encounter this in Medellin or other cities. In fact, just this afternoon at the Cali airport I met 2 sweet young ladies from Bogota and we are planning on getting together in the coming weeks. One is even considering coming to Medellin to see me for a couple days. But this is just an example that I believe illustrates what I believe to be true: that women from the larger cities are more inclined to welcome meeting a foreigner.
The weather in Cali gets hot and humid in the afternoon but otherwise is quite pleasant.
Man, as far as apartments, yes I saw several but after deciding on not living in Cali, I did not pursue them further. Today, before leaving, I was shown (an English guy living there insisted on showing it to me) an apartment in Barrio El Penon and it was nice, newly renovated, about 40 square meters (a little small) for an asking price of about US$20,000 or less maybe; I really don´t remember exactly. I earlier saw a 250 square meter penthouse in a nice neighborhood for about US$90,000.
El Colorado, I stayed at Hotel El Penon in Barrio El Penon and I can and do recommend this hotel. Try to get room 1002 as it was really large and real nice. Slow dial-up internet access is available at the hotel but for twice what it will cost at a fast internet cafe and you don´t have the opportunity to meet Calenas while using the internet in the hotel. The hotel cost something like 83,000 pesos per night plus tax for a total or like US$36-40 depending on how you are getting your pesos. Personally, I travel with an ATM card with Cirrus access and get the international exchange rate at the time of the transaction. In my opinion, this is the only way to go.
If you like to play blackjack, I strongly suggest playing in the "21" game at the casino at Unicentro and not playing "blackjack". If you want details why, private message me.
By the way, I did not meet that Calena at the casino that night and it turns out I probably would have had more fun with her than I did otherwise.
In general, Cali is a great little town. I can see it as a great spot to settle down, get married and raise a family, if that is what you want to do.
There is one thing that needs to be said about Cali however and it concerns the myth that Cali has the most beautiful women in Colombia. For sure, there are a few fine looking ladies walking around; there are also lots of not-so-good looking ladies walking around. Give me Medellin or any number of other cities for the sheer number of good looking women out and about.
The people in Cali are universally friendly and the Calenas are extremely sweet girls but they want a traditional life with courtship, marriage, children and all that. That is great and if this is what you are looking for then definitely give Cali a "look-see."
As far as danger, I had not one problem in Cali and I went everywhere.
i am much relieved to hear that studplayer has chosen not to settle in cali. i would be even happier to hear that he had chosen to settle in another country and to never return to colombia because he is, in my opinion, the quintessential "ugly american". people like this make me ashamed to be a hobbyiest and an "american"as they give both a bad name. one expects to encounter this type in cambodia & thailand, but not in my beloved colombia! one of the things i love about colombia is the absence of deviants/predators like this, so it is most distressing to meet one in cali of all places.
i will not specifically state why i (and antifreeze) find his comments so repugnant, unless studplayer chooses to respond in which case i will post his exact comments so everybody here can make their own judgments. i try and be an ambassador of goodwill when i travel overseas to improve the often negative image people have of americans abroad, but one guy like that really undermines those efforts.
wendy at la clinica seemed like a very fresh, sweet, girl and i shudder at the horrors she must have endured with him in room #5.
and, finally, mr. "studplayer" the accent you have is about as far from "castillian spanish" that i have heard outside an intentional parody. but it is the content of that speech, both in comments made to me and in your interaction with the girls, that i find really revolting. and while antifreeze is too polite to post what he thinks of you, if he answers your call i have little doubt that he will not hesitate to tell you directly.
so mr. "stud" the ball is in your court. if you post further in this thread, i will quote you verbatim and let both jackson & the membership make their own judgments. please find another country, any other country, to defile with your presence. but leave colombia alone (it has enough problems with guerillas and criminals).
One reason Cali has the most beautiful girls in the world is because it also has so many plastic surgeons.
I actually dated and screwed a Doctor woman I met at an agency named Latin Connections, since out of business. She had big boobs and was looking for an american to marry her and take to the land of money, US. She was fairly good in bed, but a real pain to be around otherwise, expecting others to be her servant like in the operating room. Turned out her boobs were not real, also she had stab scars from having lipo on her thighs and waist. When they did her boob job they cut AROUND the aurelias and inserted their stuffing that way instead of under the boob. Her scars around the aurelias were quite large still and quite a poor job. I let the girl go and heard later she got another american to marry her. I wish them both well.
Alot better looking girls in Cali, but watch out for their strong temperment. I had one girl from Latin-Internet that I brought to the states 2 years back and she was angry alot, poked me in the eye once and I sent her back. She was also very controlling and critical of me, though she was very attractive.
The woman who ran Latin Connections, also had a boob job, braces on her teeth and was considering lipo. That was a few years, 4-5 years ago, but you can see the pressure the girls are under to look beautiful. One girl showed up at the Latin Connections house with a band aid over her nose, having recently had a nose job.
Rabo Verde
11-25-03, 19:10
Hey AF I was in Cali for 2 weeks a while ago. The casas and chicas are incredible, but other than that and hanging at Chipichape and Ave. Sexta, I didn't find much to do. We were warned not to go outside the city to the countryside due to FARC. What the heck do you do when you aren't mongering? Am used to RIO and BA, with lots of coffee-houses, bookstores, movies, museums, etc. Also, altho statistically Cali is very dangerous, paradoxically I never really felt threatened or saw any violence when I was there. It seemed very quiet and peaceful. Have you seen any violence or problems? The Colombianas ARE incredibly nice, considering their hard lives (But 12 is too young except for Scotch whiskey). I think you would be better off marrying your average Colombian SW than marrying your average USA woman!
yeah dude, that's just wrong!
one of the reasons '****' and 'prostitution' get linked so much is because of shit like this.
there are plenty of mongers that like regular aged (albeit on the 18-24 side) women. it pisses me off that i get lumped with this stuff.
i'm probably skirting close to the forum guidelines here so i'll stop.
Antifreeze,
I just wanted to say ... I spend most of my time also in Colombia, though in Medellin.
You are 100 percent correct. The vast majority of 'working chicas' we meet are sweet, nice people. They are working due to hard luck circumstances they deal with everyday.
When you treat these girls with some kindness and respect you can feel how appreciative and sweet they are.
I don't care if a guy is visiting Cali, Medellin, Cartegena, etc ... have fun, meet lots of chicas ... but don't be an ass.
Las Colombianas son preciosas!
Super David
12-15-03, 20:56
I had the opportunity to visit Cali the weekend just after Thanksgiving. It was a GREAT time to enjoy Kaliente. Thye sure had a variety of ladies, all sizes and shapes.
I chose a petite girl that was fantastic! She did everything I asked, and performed the actions just the way that we both can enjoy. She spent 3 hours with me and we had a great time.
I went the next night and chose another lady. She was recommended by another girl and the boss at Kaliente, but I was disappointed. She was a great kisser and that was about it.
I would highly recommend Kaliente.
El Colorado
12-23-03, 05:35
I just got back from 16 days in Cali. It was great. I managed to rent an apartment in barrio Grenada, right across the street from Casa de Cervesa. I paid $500 for the whole month, but only used 16 days. It still worked out cheaper than a hotel and gave me much more room and comfort.
I tried out Nicole at Kaliente.com. She was great. $100,000 pesos ($37 US) for a non-stop hour. I followed up with several sessions with her over a week’s time. I also tried Dianah at La Masion for a four-hour take out session for $270,000 pesos (around $100 US). She was a pure 10 in looks, attitude and performance.
Using my guide, Andres Morales, I discovered the pleasures of the girls on Ave Sexta. Many seemed to be younger than in the casas and were drug users. They were generally $50,000 to $60,000 pesos for an hour and around $150,000 for all night.
I went to Chipe Chopi and Uni-Centro shopping centers several times for viewing, shopping and money exchange. I was turning my head so often that my neck hurt. Columbian girls are the most beautiful in the world. It was difficult to find an ugly woman.
I went to the most popular discos. While the girls were beautiful, there didn’t seem to be any pros or semi-pros. My guide Andres had numbers for several semi-pros, two of which were part-time models. Their looks were great, but their service wasn’t as good as the pros I had experienced. He brought over two Flores Fresca girls for an afternoon party, which got kind of wild. We ended up playing strip spin the bottle on the balcony after much Aquardiente.
I found ax ex-pat bar called Blues Brothers, which had some amateurs looking for gringos. The music there is great. I found a non-pro there and started dating her in the evening while hitting casas during the day. The non-pros take a long time to crack. After the second date, she wanted me to meet her family. I didn't do it yet; I’ve probably got 5 years on her father.
Some days I went to a pool called Arroyo Honda on the far north outskirts of town. It was only $1,000 or $2,000 pesos to enter (less than a dollar). It had several pools, tennis courts, restaurants and a masseuse. Lots of good-looking girls on the weekends.
We took cabs everywhere. They were plentiful and cheap. The guide kept me out of barrios and streets which were dangerous.
The food was great and cheap. The beef is very good and there was a great selection of seafood. Two steak dinners and 4 drinks cost less than $12 (US) at one place.
The police and military were out in great numbers. It made me feel more secure. You will generally be frisked before entering any bar or disco.
All in all, I had a great time and am thinking of returning in January. The GFE is harder to accomplish here than my usual mongering destination (Cuba), but there are more beautiful women there in greater numbers than Cuba.
Antifreeze
12-23-03, 15:45
El Colorado,
Congratulations on busting your budget so much! You overpaid almost everything during your trip. Kaliente, Flores Frescas, street girls at $50 - 60 000, an appartment for $500/month; Wow! You had thrown those American dollars around during that trip.
You are your own man, but I tell you that you are making, and others that are not price cautious, our lives more difficult down here. Remember Mexico? It used to be good. Remember Thailand? Well, the day might come when we'll say: remember Cali?
People: stop throwing money around like this because you are actually most probably destroying your next trip for the following year. Adapt to where you go. Don't bring America with you. There are prices for the places you go that are a fraction of what you pay for it in America. Pay in local prices.
Flores frescas is an intelligence test for gringos. No locals go there for a reason. It's overpriced, and underpussied. There are so many other places of way better quality for the fraction of the price (many of which I've posted addresses on this forum).
I do not want to attack in any way your character El Colorado, the fact on the matter is that I do not know you at all and you may just be a great guy. I am also pleased that you had a good time in Cali, it is indeed a great place. On the other hand, I do not ever want to say "remember Cali". Having Americans come in here and throw dollars like this doesn't help keeping Cali a cheap and good destination over time. It's actually the worst thing that could happen.
Food for thoughts.
Antifreeze,
Thanks for your good posts re overpaying. It just spoils the market place. I travel quite often to Cali and would like to meet you and perhaps have a beer. How do I contact you in Cali. I am hoping to be there sometime in January for a week or so.
Mongers,
I wonder if any of you are knowledgeable about Columbian Tours. They have a pretty sexy site full of gorgeous Latinas and sounds like a good way to get a solid guided tour of Cali while "Tasting-the-Talent".
One of these women, however, looks like a chica I had while in Costa Rica -- she too was from Columbia. This makes me wonder if the girls are pros. That's fine with me but I would like to know before taking the plunge, any thoughts?
Would appreciate any and all input. The site is: http://www.la.colombiantours.com/cali/tours.htm
Ez
Frijole,
In Medellin go to Loutron on Traversal Inferior near Templo antonio. This is up on the hill not too far from Hotel InterC. Also, Mirador Disco up on Las Palmas RIGHT above Hotel InterC is happening at night (Loutron is a daytime place like 11 to 8 or so).
I've been in Cali for about 10 days now and have some general information to report. Unfortunately, the Christmas holidays kill the sex business in Cali. Most girls are not working and there are many more men looking.
About the casas, there's an incredible number of them. One taxi driver will show you 5 casas, and the next taxi driver will show you a completely different set of 5. I wasn't impressed with the quality of women in most of the casas, but the price is right during the day ($15). At night, the casas I visited had doubled the price ($30) and the quality and quantity of women had dropped. I don't know if this is true in general, but I went to a couple last night and the price had doubled.
Avenue Sexta has a few street walkers out. There were about 15 at 1:00am on Sat night. They were ok quality and seemed friendly. Some may have been on drugs, but not all of them. I was surprised they were asking for $30 and not negotiating. For Cali, that seems expensive. They generally don't have a place to go and are perfectly willing to go to your hotel.
Personally, I feel the best Cali has to offer is the non-pro women. They are more attractive than the pros and are easy to approach.
I'll be here for 3 months and I'll post new info along the way.
-Kdog
Rastaman,
Flora Frescas has the best women. Also, the atmosphere is very nice. The music isn't too loud, the air conditioning works good (a rare thing in Colombia) and the women aren't pushy. One strange thing is there's really only a couple hours per day it's worthwhile to be there. Basically, 10:00pm-midnight. They have a show at 11:00pm. It will cost you 15 mil ($5) to get in, unless you go early (say before 9:00 pm) and the drinks are a little expensive. They charge 90 mil to take a girl for a half hour. As I understand, this includes the room and woman.
Frescas is known as a place where gringo's go and overpay for sex, but I don't entirely agree with this. Sure, it's expensive by colombian standards, but you're paying for high quality women in the nice club.
I believe the location is at the intersection of 20N and 4N.
I got wsg guru Antifreeze to give Frescas a try last night and he was surprised at the quality and quantity of women.
Antifreeze
01-05-04, 01:36
I had to go and see Flores Frescas. After all, I now live in Cali, and it is a destination worthwhile. I was right when I said that it is over-priced, but must admit that I was wrong when I said that it was under-pussied. There are some pretty impressive piece of Colombian art in there. Their show is also pretty good. I've seen 2-3 10's in the line-up.
But, now living in Cali, I really can't afford to do much in there. I just got excited in there and then walked a couple of streets down and get it out in a cheaper setting.
Super David
01-06-04, 02:00
Antifreeze,
I have been to Cali several times, usually for busines. On my last visit, I went to Flores Frescas and to Kaliente.
My time and dollars are for Kaliente. Yes. A little on the expensive side but found them to be really good looking and great service. Flores Frescas was just OK for me.
I would like to see other places and will see if we can get together during my next visit. I plan on being there in late February.
David
As I told Antifreeze, the SHOW at Flores Frescas is worth the 15K admission but better value for doing the deed is certainly available elsewhere.
The Sexta SWs DO have some nerve demanding 60K when one can get fs in a casa for less (generally, freelancers are CHEAPER!). SOME of the Sexta SWs are top quality and worth a few extra pesos IMHO. If you get introduced to them, they will want 100K (as they must pay a chulo fee of 40K) BUT one must use discretion in approaching them as they do not dress any sluttier than the "regular" girls. Also, unless they dislike you you can get longer substantially longer than an hour with them (whereas casas operate on time).
El Colorado
01-06-04, 03:32
I have been asked to compare Cuba with Cali, Columbia. After having taken over 30 trips to Cuba, I recently visited Cali, Columbia. I noticed the following differences:
In Cuba, virtually every woman is for sale. However, many are
semi-pros or amateurs. A GFE therefore is very possible or even probable. The women want to stay all night. That is what is generally negotiated for. The hardest thing to do in Cuba is to get rid of a chica. They don’t want to leave.
Professionals in Cali are very easy to find. The city is full of casas, and there are plenty of SW’s along Ave Sexta in the evening. Semi-pros were there if you searched, but didn’t seem as plentiful. In the casas and with many of the SW’s, everything is by the hour. You have to talk them into staying the night. The rest of the women wanted relationships of some sort. Dates with non-pros were easy to get, but you weren’t going to get laid the first couple of dates.
Sex is expected from the start in Cuba. I’ve actually seen women insulted if you didn’t go to bed with them. Maybe it’s because Columbia is very Catholic and almost all of the hundreds of women I’ve dated in Cuba had no religion.
If you go with a woman for an hour or less, Cali is now cheaper than Cuba. All night with a SW or semi-pro was somewhat cheaper in Cali also. All night with a Cali casa girl was double what they cost in Cuba.
The average Columbian woman is far more beautiful than the average Cuban girl. However, Cuban women will aggressively come after you. The Columbians are more reserved. The Cuban girls are wilder in bed IMHO, although Columbian girls seem to want to make out more. They like more foreplay.
Prices for drinks, food and lodging seem about equal. However Columbia has everything you would want to buy, while things are far more limited in Cuba.
There’s the political thing, too. In Cali, the police and military were there to help you, while the goal of Cuban police is to extort you and try to put your girl in prison without trial. I wouldn’t want to be a policeman in Havana when Castro finally dies. Everyone hates them.
In Cali, you’re free to roam wherever is safe; in Havana, your chica takes a big chance being seen with you in public. This was one of the major reasons for my Cali visit. I’m tired of skulking around or staying in with a girl who doesn’t want to go out.
Street crime seems more prevalent in Cali than Havana. Cuba has no guns. You can buy a handgun in Cali for about $40. (US). Cali streets that can be walked during the day must be traversed by cab at night. I have never had this problem in Cuba. Yet, with my guide, I always felt safe in Cali.
If you’re looking for a lot of different (and beautiful) girls for short time and very inexpensive, Cali would be the choice. If you crave instant GFE with a semi-pro or amateur, Cuba would be better.
I’m returning to Cali next week for another two weeks. This time one of my US friends is coming along also. I think I got the lay of the land well enough to have a very good time. I also cultivated a girlfriend if I care to go that route some of the time.
whosudaddy
01-06-04, 06:31
Having just read the last 24-25 pages of Cali information, I feel I have a good frame of reference for my first adventure to the inland. Thanks to all for the valuable Intel. I spent several weeks in CTG in 2002 and from the conversations with my fellow travelers and first hand experience of the smorgasbord of girls I had I became determined to travel to Cali. Hence, I am leaving Friday, Jan 9 for about ten days in punnany paradise. Although, I have traveled to many of the hotspots Rio, Bangkok, DR, Cuba, TJ I would love to grab some cervezas and get the lay of the land from the veterans, I’m 35 years old from Los Angeles email is [Email address deleted by Admin].
One question please; I’m leaning towards the Hotel Don Jaime bases on its proximity to Avenida Sexta as I don’t want to be concerned about walking in the evening back from the bars. Is approximately $20 still the going rate? Do they charge for guests? Any other recommendations for hotels within this area?
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Bite your tongue antifreeze. How can you call a city with little to do besides chasing chicas "paradise"? I mean I love the local chicas too, but let us not confuse a city with lots of chicas with a World Class city with MANY diversions (like Cartagena or Rio). And do not be introducing Colorado (or ANYbody) to my future connection to your wife's family!
Colorado: Sorry I will miss you visit as you will be gone before I return. Be careful if antifreeze takes you to a cheap lunch of ceviche near the Mercado or tries to get you to help defray the cost of transporting horses to a cabalgata! LOL! This REALLY is a bummer as I would enjoy discussing your most recent trips to Cuba., despite your opinion that the average Colombiana is better looking.
Antifreeze
01-07-04, 22:45
Surfer, my friend, Cali may not be a paradise to all, but it is surely a paradise to me.
Fact on the matter, I do not like to travel anymore. So, comparing to Sao-Paulo, Rio or else is irrelevant to me. With a kid and wife, traveling has nothing to do with relaxation anymore (Her relaxation is your stress). You end-up going in expensive hotels, spending half your awaken time chasing restaurants and getting rid of people that see you as a life support for a wallet. And they call this vacations... I can live without that.
I live in Cali. As a living environment, I think it is excellent. I have all the services that I would want. It's cheap, secure, full of surprises. Cali is my paradise (which may be someone else's Hell).
Traveling is my Hell.
See ya soon my friend!
Antifreeze, I'll have to agree with you sir.
Although I still enjoy traveling (alone), when I come back to Colombia ... I'm in my PARADISE too.
Medellin is my spot though.
Freeze: You know I love Cali too, but it is not for everyone.
Colorado: Sao Paolo is MUCH larger, more modern, more diversions, more traffic, WAY more high rises, more polluted, more rushed, colder, more expensive than Cali. Imagine Cali as San Diego (but without the beach) and SP as New York (except Paulistanos are MUCH friendlier than New Yorkers). The beach is closer to SP (and Buenaventura area aint in the same league as Guaruja, beachwise).
While I have never had a problem in either, knock on wood, in many ways I feel crime is a larger risk in SP than Cali. Once you leave the city, however, the converse is true (countryside of SP state is very safe, as opposed to rural areas of Valle which are often QUITE dangerous). A bit more English spoken in SP, but not much.
If you have the $$$, the average looks of the girls you can find in a top club like Bomboa is SEVERAL notches better than the top clubs in Cali (Flores Frescas, Kaliente-seen their website but only visited their Popayan branch) . Flores Frescas would be mid to lower end in SP. Colombianas are WAY more eager to emigrate than Brasileras. Colombianas are more nationalistic than Brasileras. In SP, like ALL of Brasil, the bunda (ass) is king whereas boobs are more sought after in Cali.
Hope this answers your questions.
While gringos can do better in SP than Rio (because there are WAY less of them), it will take more WAY more $$$ to impress a Paulista than a Calena.
China Monger
01-08-04, 13:33
I'll arrive in Cali about Jan 21 for a few days. I'd like to stay at a decent hotel. So I'm thinking about either the Pacifico Royal Hotel or the IC. I've stayed at IC's in many other countries and never been disappointed. Of course it’s also important that the hotel be “chica” friendly and relatively close to the center of nocturnal activities. Does anyone have a preference between these hotels or maybe another recommendation?
Also based on WSG posts I plan to visit Floras Fresca, and Kaliente Club. Would these be good starting points?
Finally, I have an unlocked GSM phone. Can I buy a SIM card in Cali or how would I go about getting cell phone service?
Any fellow mongers that wanna hook up for a beer, PM me.
Thanks again.
CM
CM,
I personally don't like staying at the IC. All the prices are greatly inflated. Even the street vendors outside are major rip-offs. However, if you don't mind paying double for things (food, room, etc), it's fine. The benefits include safe taxis (not that the others are dangerous, but you'll probably feel better with the ones outside IC) and the staff speaks English. Also, if you like gambling, they have a casino.
I recommend looking at Don Jaime on avenue Sexta. It's a lot cheaper, much closer to the action (street walkers are just outside and Frescas and some casas are within walking distance). Plus, there's many decent restaurants and discos around Don Jaime.
Kdog
Dollar Bill
01-09-04, 19:00
I second the Don Jaime...
It is not a 5 star, but it is very clean, safe, chica-friendly, and affordable. The door men will also get you whatever you want.
Room 304 is a great room. It has a balcony (one of the 5 rooms that has one), nice bar set-up, 2 beds (1 for sex and 1 for sleeping), x-rated cable to get the girls in the mood, walk-in closet to keep you stuff out of site, dining/card table, bathroom with shower stall big enough for a few extra people, and plenty of hot water!
Room safe is not available but they have safety security box at the front desk for your valuables.
VERY CLOSE TO ACTION ALSO. GREAT LOCATION IMHO!
sorry - can't help you with the phone info, although next door to Don Jaime is a internet cafe with international phones available also.
$Bill
Mojo Rasing
01-13-04, 22:06
I have recently joined this board and the main reason for which I did is to say a couple of things to Americans who share the same mentality as antifreezer who complaints about girls charging 50.000 pesos which equals to 20 American dollars to get layed for an hour.
How much in the states do you have to pay for an hour? Minimum 150 dollars if I am not wrong. How cheaper do you want it. People need to live here too buddy. As a Colombian and behalf on my Colombian people I'll say to Americans like antifreezer that you are not welcome one bit in my country, it's a real shame that people like you are living here in our city, complainting about prices when Colombia is already cheap and you are trying to make it even cheaper for your own selfish interests, and encouraging others to get women for ten bucks and less, don't come for our women and leave nothing on the table my friend, pack your bags and go back to the states, see if you can get women for less than 20 bucks there for an hour.
Treat Colombians right, we are friendly and warm people but the minute we are mistreated in any way we'll turn into something that you'll be quite amazed man. this is a country in political, social and economical termoil, our economy went far down since 1993, and it's restablishing again. We don't need people contributing to make our economy bad specially not Americans. So if you came here to exploit us and be cheap and above all leave us absolutely nothing in return I hope I never run into you right here where I am writing from in Cali Colombia because I will tell you what I really think since I have to be careful what I write here so I can post this.
China Monger
01-14-04, 17:57
Cali Dress Code
I'll be in Cali next week. I've read differing ideas on acceptable attire. For the most part I like to dress casual when on vacation, jeans if it’s cold or shorts if not, Tommy Bahamas and Polo shirts, either tennis shoes or top-siders. General Caribbean casual is my style. On the other hand, I don’t want to be out of place in Cali’s Casas, Bars and Restaurants. So will this be acceptable or do I need to step it up a bit?
CM
Artisto Art
01-15-04, 15:02
ChinaMonger,
The best way to 'blend in' is to wear long pants ie, jeans, slacks etc., a t-shirt or reg polo shirt, NO sunglasses, if you notice hardly anyone wears them, regular shoes or topsiders. That's the way most guys dress I have noticed. I think one would want to 'blend in' in Colombia IMHO.
Antifreeze
01-15-04, 15:05
Mojo Rasing,
First welcome to this board. By the way, I am not American. In order to fix prices in a location, one does not need to compare with prices in the US all the time. There is such a thing as a local price where ever you go. Respecting local prices is the best thing to do in order to preserve an economy without relying on 3-4 planes a day filled with Americans landing at your local airport. A wise woman should never prostitute herself all her life. Her situation shouldn't be so comfortable prostituting herself that she wouldn't go back to her dream of becoming a doctor or a lawyer or anything else. It should instead be a temporary situation that helps her get to her next level. Throwing too much money her way for such an activity isn't help, it's slavery.
You say that I am selfish, well guess what, I believe we could easily say the same thing about you. Here comes a guy that tells things like they are, and you get pissed because your little profit is in jeopardy.
I could present you to 20-30 women and you could ask them what they think about Antifreeze and they would only have good things to say about him. I take care of them. I treat them well and am an happy returning customer, and they love it. After all it's not my fault if you as a Colombian guy can't treat a woman well and they need to rely on foreigners for sex as well as mariage.
Good luck finding your way towards decency (if it is ever a desire of yours)!
Antifreeze.
Hey Mojo,
The only result that would come from paying Colombian women $150 per hour is your Colombian friends would no longer be able to afford Colombian women.
Fast Eddy and China Monger,
I can answer both your questions. It's really best that you dress like Colombians do since otherwise you will be a much more noticeable target for street crime. Other forms of crime that the US government warns against (kidnapping, terrorism, etc) are blown way out of proportion (if you stay in or near the city limits of Cali).
Some rules for dress in Colombia:
- Never leave the hotel wearing shorts, sneakers or t-shirts unless it's to do some sport (tennis, mountain climbing, etc)
- Nice shoes are especially important in this culture (I have no idea why) and a belt that matches the shoes is something the women all insist on.
- Jeans are fine
- Button-down shirts are best
- I know it sounds gay, but if you really want to blend in, a Colombian necklace would help. You can buy for $2-$3 when you're down here.
-Kdog
Mojo Rasing
01-15-04, 18:11
When did I say pay Colombian working girls 150, read the post well.
Antifreezer, it would be amazing if you didn't treat these girls well after paying them less than 10 bucks. I don't doubt your decency unlike mine but I certainly don't doubt your cheap ways. And yes I know the states well and I don't think you are in no position to tell me that I should be the one to pack my bags and go there when I was born in this land which I love deeply and that's way it wires me with indignation that people whose economy is three times or more better than ours complaint about paying a woman 20 bucks for an hour. you probably had problems with getting women in your country which it's cool, not everyone is successful with that and now that you might here you think everything is overpriced.
All in all you have to learn a lot about this country, before giving an opinion about it, before calling it a 19th hundred country take the time just between having dirt cheap sex and the next trashy 10 dollar woman to study a bit about Colombia and all South America as a matter of fact.
Simple Man
01-15-04, 19:02
No matter what you wear, you will likely be marked as a foriegner and a tourist. Your conduct will have a lot more to do with whether you are a target for street crime than your wardrobe.
I have travelled to both Cali and Medellin and wore shorts, t-shirts and tennis shoes almost the entire time. I had no problem getting into any club, resturaunt or other establishment and had no problems meeting women, both pro and non-pro. The key is wear what makes you comfortable and treat people nicely and with respect. Remaining alert and not putting yourself into dangerous situations is how to avoid street crime.
As far as looking like a foriegner that is exactly what makes you attractive to the Colombian women as they are anxious to get out of Colombia as there is not much of a potential for progress for women in Colombia. They love Americans and wearing something with an American flag or a well known designer like Tommy Hilfinger certainly helps. IMHO
Rabo Verde
01-15-04, 19:13
MOJO: I sympathize with your feelings, but I would also point out this: Almost all of the nice Colombian girls I have met who are in the "business" are single mommies who were forced to sell their bodies because a Colombian man got them pregnant and then abandoned them. Thus, it would appear that it is COLOMBIAN men, not American men, who show no respect for Colombian women.
Mojo: I know antifreeze quite well and he is NOT an ugly American (they mostly go to Cartagena). He LOVES your country more than any other, as do I. He also treats the chicas pretty well, despite not wanting to pay gringo price. And I do not think YOU really want all the casas upping their rates to 50,000, do you? I doubt you pay the ridiculous prices at Flores Frescas or Kaliente either, right? Most of the chicas in the casas love foreigners because they are more likely to give propinas than Colombianos, don't you agree?
I TOTALLY agree with you that Cali does NOT need the ugly Americans mistreating the chicas; if you look in this thread back in November, Antifreeze and I exposed an ugly American "Studplayer" who wanted to molest young girls and do other nasty things and we pretty much drove him out of Cali and off this board. We want to PROTECT Cali and its chicas. So while I SUPPORT you completely in trying to protect the chicas from BAD foreigners, your attacks on Antifreeze are misdirected as he is one of the good foreigners. Paz ******.
I TOTALLY agree with Chupolongas comment as well; many Colombianas have been mistreated by Colombianos (machistas) and they DO appreciate extranjero caballeros.
Regarding the dress issue, yes most gringos look like gringos regardless how they dress, and so wearing shorts probably will not make you much more of a target for crime. It WILL, however, result in nice chicas not giving you a second look and will cause other people to look down on you like a campesino. Beach areas are the ONLY PLACE in Colombia where wearing shorts is culturally acceptable, and the WISE traveler KNOWS that by conforming to local customs one is MUCH better received. Bars & stores will not refuse you admission but be sure they WILL look down on you as a low class visitor.
That said, while I NEVER wear shorts I do wear my flipflops as they are just TOO comfortable, and sometimes the sun is just TOO BRIGHT to go without shades. I TRY and hide my feet by standing behind something when meeting chicas, however. I also think these are MUCH less offensive than wearing shorts around town.
Mojo Rasing
01-15-04, 21:11
I am not here to moralize on wether a woman should become or not a prostitute or defend Colombian men for their bad behavior. You say you disagree with women becoming prostitutes mr antifreezer, yet you love to go to them and take advantage of their situation, how easy and comfortable is for you to say "they should not become prostitutes" like if you were all informed about their lives also. I don't think that even god would put himself in that same arrogant position. However like I said I do not care to moralize on that. Secondable, americans who come here for sex or for whatever, are going to compare prices inevitably and they are going to realize that it's cheap, way cheap, so why cry. Of course you are a selfish man, mr antifreezer, you have not grown out of the anal phase that we go through as children and that some like yourself stay in their whole life. If colombia is cheap and you whine about it then you are way above the scale of being cheap, we all should come up here with a new word to define you because I really don't think there's one in the dictionary that would suit you properly. This is my whole criticism to you and to the rest with such mentality and nothing more.
I completely agree with Surfer's assessment on the dress code. The first time I was in Colombia I walked around in shorts and t-shirt and the usually sweet Colombian women actually made comments to me that I dressed poorly. Trust me, Colombian women DO NOT like the way Americans dress. This has been pointed out to me many many times in the US by Colombians there.
More recently I've found that by dressing nice by American standards isn't even enough. These women want everything matching, not a single wrinkle in your clothes, and expect your shoes to be shined every few days (this is especially important). In fact, you'll be hounded by shoe shiners up and down Avenue Sexta because it's so common (it costs less than a $1 and they do a good job).
Mojo,
Here's a direct quote from you "How much in the states do you have to pay for an hour? Minimum 150 dollars if I am not wrong. How cheaper do you want it."
Your last sentence implies $150 is cheap and that it shouldn't be lower than that.
Now if you want to post more to Antifreeze or Kdog, post to private messaging so we can stop wasting everyone else's time.
Mojo Rasing
01-15-04, 22:15
Look surfer,
There are already fixed prices in these brothels and I am not trying to suggest that they rise up the prices, I know which houses you are talking about, but some girls who might be better looking have a higher cost, I am not even talking about fresh flowers or kaliente. But even there the girls are so much better looking and some people like quality and don't care to pay more for that, they are glad to pay that, you get what you pay for. what pisses me off is the idea of cheap Americans complainting about cheap prices. If you don't have enough money to spend don't come to Colombia in the first place or much less move here. I've seen Americans complainting and making a fuss out of 1 dollar tip for two, these are the people I am not very happy to see here. I even tip though I don't have to and I don't live in the states and make dollars or anything, so you can understand why this pisses me off. I have very good American friends who can't stand these sort of people either. If an American decides to pay more than ten dollars or pay more for a better accommodation why do you have to tell him that he shouldn't just because you would prefer to be economical if not cheap rather than take quality into consideration. Some people like good stuff and they don't refrain from paying its cost and I am not talking about the gringo price that they might pull on you. If you are a loser in America, at least don't act like that here, women spot that right away and you lose points, they certainly don't like cheap foreigners.
Mojo Rasing
01-15-04, 22:19
Kdog,
I meant cheaper than 50.000 pesos, cheaper than 20 bucks.
If it's such a time wasting for you why do you reply?
Interesting to read about the dress code.
I'll be in Cartagena for Easter. You mention pants. Are polo shirts regarded as acceptable attire to the women especially at the nightclubs or bars?.
Strange how you describe clothing. I had the same encounter while in Casablanca. The tourists in shorts were American or Canadian. I'm American and I did my homework. Read a guide book for preparation. Just ordered one for Colombia. I'm also starting spanish lessons in 3 weeks.
Have a good one. Have many.
I'm packing up for a trip to Cali in a couple days to see my girl friend, but caught up by the conversation going on here. I can understand Rojo's patriotism, and his sympathy for the working Calenas, but have to agree with Chuponalgas. My girl friend has a 3 year-old daughter from her ex-boyfriend, a Caleno who has no interest to see his own baby girl, not even talking about supporting her even he knows where he can find them. I know for a fact that most of the Americans who came to Cali do treat the women here better the the local guys. Many of the girls I know here simply refuse to have a Colombian boy friend because of their irresponsibility. All these times I came to Cali, I'm deeply involved emotionally with people I met here. All I can suggest is the Colombianos should love their women more, and less on soccer.
Return to the pricing issue for working girl, A few years back, when travelling to China on business, they had a two prices policy, which make the foreigners pay way more than the local people, and this really pissed me off. I believe when in another country, nobody likes to pay more for the same merchant just because of his foreign status. Antifreeze has provided very useful and updated info on this board, though never met, just like me, Colombia holds a very special place in out hearts. Rojo, you may not believe, but I very possibly love Colombia as much as you do.
Let's discuss this topic openly here in the forum instead of having the conversation privatly. It is very helpful to understand what an educated and very likely well off Colombiano think about the Americans who come to Colombia to appreciate the Colombianas.
Expat: Cartagena is the one place where you can get away with beachwear as it is BY FAR the most casual city. Polo shirts are fine.
For a guidebook, the Footprint guide is head and shoulders about the rest. Lonely Planet's Colombia edition (the NEW one) is SO truncated that it is a disgrace to a book series that is usually pretty good (except for the feminist slant that is SO anti-Sex). If you ordered LP send it back unopened and get the Footprint Guide.
Easter is HIGH season, and HOT season, in CTG. So try and stay cool and book EARLY.
Antifreeze
01-16-04, 14:56
kdog is absolutely right regarding clothing in Cali (and most of SOuth-America). The reason why clothing is so important down here is that most people don't have much, and they show the little they have through clothing. So, in their womens mind, if you can't afford a good pair of shoes, then you can't afford me. So she won't give you a second look. They like to show off through their clothing. On my side, when I used to live in the US, wearing a Polo shirt seemed overkill (I didn't like to show off there), but here in Colombia, wearing an expansive piece of clothing will really increase your odds when you'll break the ice with that Colombian. In the US, everyone wears shorts since it is more appealing for women to find a man that can afford a vacation once in a while. In Colombia, they are attracted to people that are well dressed since it is more appealing to be courted by a man that has a job. It's as easy as that (and latinas are extremely conformist - the majority pretty much react the same way to bad clothing by looking the other way).
One last thing, Cali is a great spot to go cloth shopping. If you don't have good shoes, there are plenty in here for sale for a fraction of the price of the Borring States of America. So, don't feel like you need to shop at home, but reserve your first day to do that in Cali.
All I can say from my experience is dress well, but more importantly dress to the environment you are in and DON'T dress old!
Marino: VERY well put.
Mojo: Tranquilo compadre (cannot use the H word as it gets deleted because of another website using that name).
I DO agree with you in most respects, but antifreeze is NOT the problem. Living in Cali, he thinks in pesos, not dollars. ANYTIME somebody quotes me $$$ in Colombia I say "Somos en Colombia, no Estados Unidos, y la plata aca es pesos". I also agree that the less Americanos feos who come to Cali, the better for those of us who recognize what a special place it is. I am hesitant to even say good things about Cali on public boards like this because I would rather they ALL go to Cartagena!
Poobah: a 40 YO trying to dress like a sardino would look a bit silly, no? While the chicas LOVE the white pants, BLACK is in for men, wouldn't you agree? Not Johhny Cash black, but Armani, De la Renta, D&G type stuff is what the chicas like on guys too.
Antifreeze
01-21-04, 14:48
I've had the chance to meet Marino and I can say that he is a fine Ambassador for the US. It's great to meet good people. Sadly, we did not have a lot of time to exchange because of active life's duties, but I'm sure we'll meet again. Marino, give me a ring when you want...
As for the thread with Mojo, it all stated with a simple statement on my side: "Wherever you go, adapt to your destination, don't bring America with you in your suitcase". That statement was made to El Colorado following his trip down here. I've had the chance to private message with El Colorado afterwards and would look forward to meet him. His reception to what I felt was constructive criticism was excellent, and he's welcome to do whatever he wants with it (including nothing if he chooses).
But then, Mojo misread that post by interpreting it like "Cali is too expensive". Which is not a problem by itslef (although a distortion of the reality). But the post that followed his misreading was way too agressive for me not to react as boldly (A mistake over a mistake on his part).
First, Cali is not too expensive. Things are fine down here. I just wish Americans would know more on how to travel and wouldn't make it so easy for other people in other countries to build up some aversion towards them. Without refering to anyone in specific (other than the caricature of the ugly American), being noisy, abnoctuous, not respecting the money that a lot of those people lack by throwing it left and right can only be a negative for the US and for all of us.
I've lived here for a year now, and I've seen so many ugly Americans that I am almost at the point where I'll refuse to meet any of them anymore. Thanks to kdog, Marino, Surfer and others for shifting that balance of trust a bit more on the positive side, because without them I'd be totally out of the loop.
Cali is a great place, don't spoil it. And, Surfer, you're right. Let's be quiet about Cali a bit. Cartagena is now within the comfort zone of turism, they'll be looking to push that comfort zone a bit more soon, and Cali may be on their hit list.
surfer, it all depends how you can carry it off. i think if you're still in shape by all means you can do the 'tight shirt at the club' look. i have a few friends that still pull it off successfully in the states. but at the same time you are not going to wear abercrombie and fitch or try to dress like a stud playa (is that what a 'sardino' is?). i do wear a lot of black (yep, even j.c. black) and like it as a color. i don't wear white pants and don't wear speedos.
i'm bringing the polo shirts and the dress slacks and also bringing a few pairs of jeans this time. i do agree that wearing shorts (other than on the cartagena beach area) will make you stick out like a sore thumb.
poobah: maybe i spelled it wrong, but colombian slang for teenagers is sardinos. maybe mojo can clarify. since you don't wear speedos, you must not be european (laughing hysterically emoticon).
speaking of which: jackson, could we import emoticons (rather than just smiley faces here?)
Rufus: Don Jaime is less than 100K per night. There is a dumpy place across the street and a few blocks down the Sexta but I have never been inside. I do not know anybody personally who tries to go cheaper than Don Jaime, and DO BEWARE the location of the real cheap pensiones.
Mojo Rasing
01-23-04, 01:23
Mr antifreeze,
Firstable I, for sure, did not misread a thing by interpreting that Cali is too expensive, what are you talking about? why are you always trying to reflect yourself on others, transfering your situation to others. Didn't you write on this board that 50.000 pesos is too expensive( the equivalent to 20 US dollars) to pay a woman for having sex for an hour? It is written on this very board and anyone can check that out anytime they want, to prove you and the rest of the members on the WSG that I did not misread anything regarding what you mentioned in your last post. I guess It's hard to accept the thruth when someone tells it the way I did to you that you have to look for some kind of angle to justify your attitud, to justify your cheapness, you want to redeem yourself by making me look like as if I had misunderstood your whole point. You were plain in saying that they overpaid the price when they gave the girls 20 bucks. If I had the power to do it I'd throw your butt out of our country tomorrow.
Yes, Surfer you are right about that word in Spanish: "Sardinos for boys and Sardinas for girls" meaning teenagers, and don't give this guy too much credit unless, of course, you are the same way as him, don't justify him either by saying that since he lives now in Colombia (unfourtunally) he has to think in Pesos, I think in Pesos too (and I am not in any way rich so you can discard that). Like I said, if you can't afford living here in a cheap country, don't. Not everyone, Mr antifreeze, wants to live your same cheap lifestyle.
Mr Mojo Rasing,
Greetings and your post has some excellent points. However I think you are misinterpretting Mr Antifrezze points. I think the issue is about relativity. Everything is relative. A good pair of pants in Cali is x number of pesoes and the same pants in the US is x dollars the same pants in Zimababwe is x Zim Dollars. So when in Rome be like the Romans pay in Roman dollars. I do not think its about being cheap its just about not spoiling the market for pants shoes etc because eventually we will have to pay more for these items and we are not earning US Dollars. As Rodney King would say can't we all get along. Peace.
HappyC
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Antifreeze
01-26-04, 01:41
Mojo,
You wouldn't be able to pull your own head out of your ass without the help of all 'jaws of life' available in America (even less in Colombia).
First, you say that we are expected to pay the Gringo price (because we're just cheap if we don't). That is, Americans are rich, they had it all easy so they should share their wealth with people that are not as fortunate like Colombians, or they are just cheap. Well, we've worked hard for our money and we have the right to spend it the way we want (that's the kind of liberty that comes with having your own money). If I don't want to pay 3 times as high for any girl, that's my choice. The only thing that I did here was to expose that choice.
While I have been busy exposing the facts on this board, you've been as busy exposing your own stupidity. Keep on feeling like a victim all your life because of your own incapacity to understand the world, but, do us all a favor, just go away... I am sure there are plenty of other boards that are looking to get your valuable information somewhere.
Hasta luego compadre!
Freeze
Senor Mojo ... you sir, need to relax on this price issue ...
I personally pay whatever the going rate is and tip the chica accordingly.
The same goes for taking a taxi or eating at a restaurant. We don't expect anyone ... chicas, taxis, etc to raise prices just because we're not Colombians ... and most don't raise prices.
What I've experienced in many, many cases in Colombia, Venezuela and many other countries, is that in the service oriented businesses, such as masajes (chicas), taxis, restaurants, etc, etc ... the locals know that the 'Gringo' will tip nicely if treated well and therefore, they make their extra money through good work.
By the way, I've tipped many a chica for nice service and often time it's the first tip they've ever received because as the chicas tell me "the locals generally don't tip".
I have many Colombian friends. Men and women. Very good and warm people in general. I have found most Colombianos to like Americans or other Westerners.
Yes, there are some bad apples out there for sure, but PLEASE, Senor Mojo, relax with all the nasty and negative talk.
Let's get on with the purpose of this forum ... I'm sure being a local, you could add some great insite.
If you have a difference of opinion with someone, simply explain your thoughts and try to give guidance rather than make accusations against people you really do not know ... just like real life.
Thank you.
Mojo Rasing
01-26-04, 21:16
This issue is getting too old and it's clear that some people here did not understand my point. If you decide to pay less or more for a girl, that's your problem Mr freeze, so don't tell anyone then that they are messing things up for you if they do decide to pay more just because you wouldn't. I don't know what kind of girls you get for less than 10 bucks anyway but that's your problem, like you say. Usually people would pay more if they think the girl is worth it. I never suggested a gringo price, go back and read well what I wrote.
I apologize with the other members of this board for sticking with this issue, but I felt the right to express my feelings on this subject, however let's move on to something else regarding information about Cali Colombia and others cities from this country if you will. Feel free to ask me anything, I'll be glad to provide you with information about anything you want.
Thank you.
I went to Frescas last night and want to correct some previous info I posted. The show times seem somewhat random (not necessarily at 11:00pm and 1:00am as posted previously). Last night the shows were at 9:30pm and midnight. Also, Monday night is great at Frescas. There were 17 women (most were beautiful) and only about 10 men. On Sat night I was disappointed to see 7 below average women when I arrived at 11:30pm (all the good ones must have been occupied). I assume the same might happen on Fri night. Get there early on those nights so you can get someone decent. Once the girl you want goes with some guy to the room, you likely will not them again that night.
Surfer, you truly make me laugh. First, I spend 9 months of the year in Miami and 3 months in Cali (where I am right now). I think I know a little more than you about both places. This quote from you is hillarious "And the ones that CAN get visas are RICH!". So you think there's a bunch of rich Colombians running around Miami, right? And you've been to Miami! OPEN YOUR EYES next time you're there. Also from you "I do not believe Colombians are even eligible for "the lottery". And you are the one that told me to learn what I'm talking about! Why do you feel it's necessary to pick a fight with me by hurling insults like "American hick". You are the one that started all this. I'm curious to see if you have the guts to call me that to my face.
China Monger
01-29-04, 00:15
Cali Trip:
I just returned from Cali yesterday. What a great time I had there. It was my first trip but I will return as soon as possible. First, I'd like to thank Antifreeze and Kdog for giving me some great suggestions and info prior to arrival. We met in Cali, and had lunch and then they showed me the world of "Casa's". We had a great time there too. Lots of beautiful chicas to choose from and all very friendly.
I'm just sorry we didn't have the opportunity to hang out more. As it worked out, I met a stunningly beautiful girl in Cali and fell in love¡. So we ended up getting side tracked and standing Antifreeze and Kdog up for dinner and drinks one night. For which by the way I can¡¦t apologize enough. But I'm sure we'll get together next time.
I had intended to hook up with Simple Man, Frijole, El Colorado and Surfer, but I was so busy this trip I just didn't have to time to get back with you guys, sorry. I hope next trip to have more time but I'm sure you all had a great time anyway.
So now a brief report, I arrived Wednesday night about 9:30p. The Hotel had a driver waiting for me as I exited the airport. As luck would have it, he turned out to be a great guy also and I hired him to drive me around for the week. I immediately check in to the Hotel and off to Flores Frescas.
I arrived by 11:00p just in time for the lezbo show. So I order a bottle of ¡§Premium¡¨ rum poured myself and the driver a tall one and sit back to enjoy the show. What a treat. These two awesome chicas are on stage going at it for about 10 min or so until completion. Let me tell you, by the time the show was over I was sporting a dangerous weapon in my 501's. So of course I had to take a run at one of the chicas in the show. She was absolutely phenomenal looking IMHO. So I start talking to her and set up a ¡§date¡¨ for about 30 min later so she could scrub up and such. I start thinking; she's so hot if I'm not careful this could end up a 2 or 3 stroker. I definitely wasn¡¦t going to let that happen. So while she's scrubbing up I hook up with another snappy dish just to "unload the chamber". After all, I wouldn't want my "Starlet" to think I wasn't a gentleman. So right on queue, with perfect timing I wrap it up with my "warm up catcher", step back into the club area and hook up with my new "Starlet". (Round 1)
We sat and had a drink or two until nature called. Then we were off to her Suite for our romantic liaison. Being a gentleman I wasn't about to dispense with the foreplay. So of course, we started with a CBJ. I'm real cautious about the bbbj, but that's just me. Anyway, I'll skip with all the details; I wouldn't want this to get too mushy. We'll leave it at she didn't say no to any request and we were in no hurry at all. All in all, two great encounters, so far. (Round 2)
By this time my driver/buddy is beginning to wonder if he'll ever see me again. But just then I'm back on the club floor pouring rum again. And wouldn't you know it, perfect timing once again; I'm just in time for the next lezbo show. Well, if it has to be, it has to be. Just in the knick of time I notice something is amiss, my bottle of rum is almost empty and that just won't do. This is a veritable emergency with the show about to start and me with no rum. Not to worry, the waiter recognizing the urgency of the situation rushed a fresh bottle of "Premium" rum to our table, cracked it open, turned it upside down and had my glass filled to the brim before the first nipple was licked. That was a close one. I'll have to be better prepared next time.
So on with the show, just when I thought it couldn't get any better, the second pair of lovebirds set a new standard of courtship. They obviously cared deeply for each other. You would have to be blind not to have seen they were indeed nature's perfect match. 10 min or so later both immensely satisfied, the loving couple departed the stage, for more intimate surroundings I would guess.
By this time however, having been the fortunate voyeur of yet another romantic interlude I was feeling a bit randy myself. The only problem was that the club was closing. But fate intervened once again on my behalf. Just when I thought all hope was lost what do I see, but an irresistibly beautiful young maiden in need of an exit strategy. Well I don't mind telling you the gallant side of me came to the surface and I immediately offered her the services of my chauffer and coach for a ride home. I know what you're thinking, what kind of a gentleman would I be if I sent this young jewel home hungry at 2:00a. Not to worry, of course I offered to share a meal together. We ended up a fine eatery specializing in fried chicken to be partaken on the side of the road just out of the path of the passing motor vehicles. Nothing quite so romantic as standing on the side of the road, dodging the drunk drivers which are inevitably on the road at 2:30a, inhaling the intoxicating bouquet of exhaust fumes with chicken grease dripping down you face, all the while making passionate suggestive conversation with the object of your desire. Well it must have worked; because we ended up back at my hotel for a night of sordid passion including acts that I understand are illegal in some states.
With the sunrise began another day with my young jewel still in my arms. As I'm sure many of you will attest, nothing starts the day like a fresh shower, a hot cup of coffee and a BJ. But as all good things must come to an end the time had come to bid farewell to my little jewel. We exchanged longing glances, wondering if it were meant to be and would we share another moment together some other time, some other place. (Rounds 3 and 4)
Well that just about wraps up my first 5 hours in Cali. I'm out of time for now. If I get a chance I'll post more about the rest of my week in Cali and maybe some of the details of the enchanting temptress that has captivated my heart.
CM
IMO, it's not about overpaying, underpaying, being cheap, or being a good tipper.
No one likes an "ugly American". (I'm using this as a term - not always a literal as in citizen of the USA.) An ugly American has no respect for local customs and traditions.
When one goes to another country, and doesn't follow their ways, you're being an ugly American. This includes paying your American prices, your American currency, and using your American attitudes.
Gentlemen, let's be good foreigners - follow local custom. Overpaying is as much a trait of the ugly American as are the other more common stereotypes.
Maximus Oyer
01-30-04, 01:08
Hellow all!
I am planning on a Trip to Cali and Cartagena. I have gotten good suggestions from JT for Cartagena. Can anyone point me on the right direction. I plan on been in Cali for about 6 days and am planning on meeting up with some non-pros Caleñas and am also planning on hooking up with the pros of course. Any advise where I might not feel uncomfortable bringing non-pros and where I can bring pros freely. Oh I forgot to mention affortable too. Perhaps an apt? This websites are a goldmine or someone looking to have fun.
Thanks guys,
MaximusOyer
Am in Cali right now. Visited Dr. Love casa a few days ago and Pharaon (Pharoh) club a few days before. Prices are quite cheap, but the quality is not the best at these two clubs, girls ranged from 4 to 7.
Paid 45,000 for an hour at Pharaon, about 17US. Not much of an experience, here, more like an assembly line. One problem with this experience is that the girls here have a certain routine at this club, they must put on the condom before any BJ, then they try to get you inside quite quickly and of course they are strictly business and their pussy is as dry as the Mojado desert. Hard to stick an unlubricated condom covered penis up a dry canal. Even with an hour session they have a pre-ordained routine like an assembly line. Unless you have viagra power it is tough to get excited making love to latex (which you can do at home just as well).
Dr. Love (a block away) had about 15 average looking girls on a Saturday afternoon. For a half an hour of nursing (joke) back to life I paid about 25,000 pesos which is $10 US. Girl was energetic and gave a good BBBJ.
Both of these casas/clubs are on the street by the Cali River, I think near the Aparta-hotel. Cab drivers know the location.
Prices are alot less than Flora frescas because the Colombian guys go to these 2 clubs. Mostly tourists at Flora frescas and alot of show but not much natural experience.
Has anyone been to Tanga Club near Unicentro lately? I asked the cab drivers but they had not heard of this club. Maybe it closed.
Am sidetracked by a cute young girl from a marriage agency. Took her our dancing at Brisas on Avenida Sexta last night and watched her drink me under the table. Most Colombian girls love to dance and drink. Time will tell if she is for me, but I am enjoying the relationship for now.
At 1 am there were alot of young girls on Avenida Sexta looking for a nighttime companion. Some of the bad girls were as young as 13 according to my novia and were working because they needed the money. The police were on this same street corner removing a drunk from this bar, but they did not seem to care about all the young girls seeking action.
Simple Man
02-04-04, 04:07
Just got back from another trip to Colombia. I spent a total of twelve days 7 in Cali and 5 in Medellin (3 in Cali, 5 in Medellin, then the final 4 in Cali.) This was my second trip to Cali and my third to Medellin. I was traveling with Frijole and we expected to hook up with China Monger in Cali, but it just never happened.
I again stayed at the Hostal San Fernando (www.calihotel.com) and can't say enough about how far out of his way the owner Rigo will go to make sure that you have a good time and find what you are looking for.
Cali Report:
Kaliente Club: Calle 25 Norte No. 2 Bis - 47, B. San Vicente, 653-6832. Kaliente is probably my favorite place in Cali. Usually between 10 to 15 girls available. $80,000 pesos for an hour on site and $180,000 for three hours at your hotel. If you take the girl to go they will add travel time onto the three hours to make sure that you get the three hours with the girl. Make sure that you mention this to the manager with whom you make the deal. I was also taking dance classes in Cali so most days I would pull a girl out of Kaliente take my hour dance class and then spend two hours in the bedroom. All of the girls I pulled out of Kaliente were a lot of fun both in the dance class and in bed. The sala in Kaliente is substantially dirtier than the last time I was there. I did not do anything on site so I can't say whether the bedrooms were clean or not.
Jhon Davis: Av. 2 Bis Norte #28 –47 661-6282. This place is around the corner and down the street from Kaliente. They hand out business cards that say that they are a butcher shop. I found the quality of chicas there to be substantially lower than Kaliente. But others might disagree. I did pull an 18 year old named Deisy out of there. She looked great until she came out of the bathroom naked, she must have been wearing a girdle or something. When the clothes came off everything spread and sagged. She denied it but I suspect that she has at least one kid. She was really sweet but the performance was terrible. She was very concerned that I finish so I in fact faked it, thanked her and sent her on her way. 1 hr to go $50,000. One hour on site $40,000.
Right next door to Jhon Davis is another house same price structure as Jhon Davis but the girls weren't to my taste.
Two blocks down from Jhon Davis is a house with a blue wall, I don't know the address or the name. The night I pulled Deisy Frijole got a girl from there $80,000 pesos for an hour to go. The girl had a cute face and an incredible body but her teeth were more crooked than a Colombian politician. She claimed that on some Friday and Saturday nights there are college girls that come to work there to pay there tuition, buy books etc. We did go there on a Saturday night but only saw the same old lineup. But it might be worth checking if you are there.
FLORAS FRESCA or LA MANSION ROSADA, as some cab drivers know it: Calle 20N No.4N-16, 660-1958. FF is worth visiting once just to see the lesbo show. There are also usually some pretty good looking ladies there. You have to buy drinks there beers I think are $5,000 pesos and a bottle of rum is $40,000 pesos with coke and ice included, if you don't finish the bottle you can take it with you or give it to the girls. The last time I was in Cali I did one on site session at FF. I did my session early and watched them put the sheets etc. on the bed as my girl and I waited. My girl then told me that there is only one set of fresh sheets per night and that they only make up the bed, but don't change the sheets after each couple finishes. That was my first and only on site experience there. The house fee seems to range between $50-70,000 pesos, I paid 50 and dealt with a waiter, Fabio, that I had tipped well on other occassions but Frijole paid 70 and dealt with the other waiter, Manolo, so beware. The girls will ask for between $100-200k per hour but the most I paid was $250k for 2 hours. The clock doesn't start running until you get to your hotel. Again I did not have any bad experiences with any of the girls that I pulled from FF. One tip is don't get the reputation of being a tight wad there or the girls will shun you. Take care of the waiters and they will always get you a table and will in fact go and take girls you want away from other customers. Another tip, we went there on a Saturday night around 11:30 and no one was there. Only about 5 girls hanging around and an equal number of customers. We only stayed a few minutes and then we took off. We found out later that all of the girls were down in the rooms sleeping because it was so dead. The lesson is that it pays to ask. Also almost any girl there will give you her number and meet you in her off hours. This is a good thing to do because FF is closed on Sunday and almost everything else is dead.
Another interesting place to check out is La Mansion. Some guy that used to be a customer at FF opened his own club. It is in a beautiful house and one girl said that on some nights there are 20-25 girls there, but the night that we went there was only about 6 an none of them appealed to me. It is across the street from the church in the Templete. I think that Frijole got a business card from the owner so check his report for the address and telephone number.
Other places I visited, but did not sample the wares: Calle 23 C. Norte No. 3AN-05 B. Versalles 661-7071 $35,000 one hour on site. Didn't see anything I liked. Pharaon and Dr. Love don't remember the addresses and didn't see anything I liked. There are any number of casas in Cali so have fun and be safe.
Medellin:
I missed out of a couple of days of hobbying in Medellin because una amiga took the bus in from Manizales to spend the weekend with me. So I am sure that Frijole's report on Medellin will be more informative than my own.
The places that I did visit:
Lutron: A large mansion in the hills in Poblado (check Frijole's report for the address and number, I think that he got a card.) $80,000 for an hour on site $160,000 for two hours in your hotel. You can also spend time in a private swimming pool with the girl of your choice of $70,000 an hour. Lutron is clean and very well run. Open from 11:00 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. Monday through Saturday. They have girls to meet any taste and every girl that I have ever been with there has been sweet, nice and attentive. The rooms are clean and each room has a different theme. They are thoroughly cleaned after every session. I highly recommend a visit and when your there ask for a tour of the premises, I am sure that you'll be impressed.
Casa Oriente: Again I don't have the address or phone number but Frijole may. Every cab driver we got knew were this place was. Only went there on night this trip there were between 45-50 girls there, something for everyone. To be truthful I don't know what the current rate is for on site, like FF one pair of clean sheets per night. The house fee to leave is $70,000 and the girl doesn't have to come back or $50,000 for a short time (2 hours) they won't tell you about the short time unless you ask. The going rate for the girls is $100k per hour. All of the girls there will give you there numbers for outside services and to avoid the house fee. This is a good idea again because most everything is closed on Sunday so pre-plan and get some numbers.
Energy: Cra 74 No. 49-101, Tel 436-1131: Nice house near downtown. Around 10 girls when I went there, one girl I found very attractive unfortunately there were three of us there and we couldn't find something for everyone so we moved on. $60,000 for an hour on site, $100,000 for two girls for an hour on site and $120,000 for two hours to go. They open at 9:00 a.m. but I don't know when they close.
Faces Dos: Again see Frijole's report for the address and telephone number. This is a warehouse that has been converted into a strip club. The night that I was there they had a nice selection of between 15-20 girls. $140,000 for a short time (30 mins.) in the cabanas next door. I asked the girl that I did for her number she said that she was going to get a pen and then give me her number I waited about ten minutes and she didn't come back so I took off.
We also searched for the Legendary CASA BLANCA. It is supposedly a large beautiful house in downtown Medellin. Despite our best efforts and those of several cab drivers we never found it. We did, however, get to see quite a bit of downtown Medellin at night. Unless you are looking to pick up a transvestite and/or become a stabbing victim stay away from downtown at night.
In my opinion the girls in Medellin, on a whole are more attractive. There's just something about a Paisa. But tastes very and any hobbyist could have a great time in either city. But always be aware of your environment and remain aware that Colombia is a dangerous place filled with desperate people.
hola putos,
cali report:
i was in cali for about two weeks. i tried using the wsg to plan my attack but, found it quite frustrating because of all the bs on this site. thus, i hope the following helps members plan their future trips.
1) flores frescas:
a. address: see simple man’s report.
b. prices:
cover charge: $15,000.00 per person. beer costs $5,000 pesos. bottle of rum cost $40,000 with cokes, and ice included.
on site $ for an hour or until you blow, whichever comes first (this includes room and girl of your choice). offsite $50-70,000.00 pesos house fee to take girl out (i paid $70,000 and simple man only paid $50,000, i discussed the matter with simple man and it seems i was overcharged) and the girls charge between $100,000.00 to $200,000.00 per hour depending on your negotiation skills. i paid $100, 000.00 pesos per hour but, i did tell the girls, i wanted at least a 2hr session. i’m not sure if that helped me lower the price, and i always gave them a $20,000.00 peso tip. having been around, i know how important it is not to be labeled a cheapskate.
c. ladies: they have about 20 girls all shapes and sizes. most of the gals are between 19 years old and 25 years old (i’m guessing based on looks and personal experience). there were some that, i thought, were quite stunning and others that were quite ugly. overall the quality was to my satisfaction. most of the girls are 7 and 8s with a few 10s in the mix. most girls will give you their cell phone numbers for outside services, a good way to avoid paying the house fee.
d. premisses: the place is kinda dirty and dingy. the first night i went for the onsite 1hr package and i was disappointed when i saw the room. the room was dirty and smelled like cat [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109). i would strongly recommend paying the club fine and taking the girl to your hotel. the club itself is located in a reasonably safe neighborhood and there is plenty of security at the club itself. flores frescas is a converted house. as you enter you are directed up several stair ways to the third floor where the dance floor is located. the rooms, for in-house services, are located on the second floor.
2) pharaon: near the cali river. walked and walked out. the gals were ugly and the place was not all that interesting. all i can say is, thank god there was no cover.
3) torre de cali: near the cali river. walked and walked out. the gals were ugly and the place was not all that interesting. all i can say is, thank god there was no cover.
4) la mansion:
address: located in the south side, by the iglesia del templete, in front of el templete park, cra. 36 no. 6-43, 6-49. tel. 514-1066
prices: there is a $15,000.00 peso cover charge. $10,000 of that is applied towards your bar tab. beer $5,000.
ladies: they had 5 girls and they were all fairly ugly. although, some of you pig fuckers might have been in heaven, i certainly was not. according to the owner they have a lesbian show there nightly but, only if they have a significant number of patrons. i was there with simple man and we were the only two customers they has thus, they told us there would be no lesby show. suffice it to say, i was glad considering how ugly the women were. i did not ask for any prices since, the women were not to my standards.
premises: this place is modeled after flores frescas. it’s a big house with many rooms and the dance floor/bar area is located in the third floor. the house is very nice and very clean. the only thing missing are the hot chicks.
5) kaliente:
address: calle 25 norte, no. 2 bis-47, b. san vicente (near chipichappe).
tel. (2) 653-6832.
prices: no cover charge. since i did not order anything to drink i’m not sure of the prices but, there is a list of prices on the left wall as you enter the location. they charge $60,000.00 for half an hour on-site with the lady of your choice, $80,000.00 for an hour, and $180,000.00 for 3 hours either in your hotel or on the premises.
ladies: they have about 12 to 15 girls daily. most of the gals there are very good looking and very nice. i strongly recommend this fine business establishment.
premises: the house is located in a relatively safe neighborhood. there are several other houses within a block or two. the establishment is open 24hours seven days a week. however, sunday the gals get the day off and working that day is voluntary. thus, sundays you may or may not find any girls working. the downstairs is devided into two separate areas where the customers are seated and the girls are brought out for show. the place was dirty and thus, i opted for the 3 hour services at my hotel.
6) other: if you are looking for a great place to stay that is affordable, i strongly recommend the hostal san fernando, calle 3 no. 27-87, zona sur, cali colombia, tel 556-4820. the rooms are clean and nice, the staff is great, and the prices are very reasonable. also, the owner rigoberto is a great source for information on the best clubs, house, and restaurants.
p.s. see my report on medellin if you are planning on hitting both cities.
Antifreeze
02-04-04, 14:27
Great reports Frijole, Simple Man and NPaul. I specially like the fact that you provide us with addresses and phone numbers when possible.
NPaul, I went many times to Tanga Tangas. I think that they have a great selection. They are opened only after 7PM every day (except Sunday). I sadly do not have the address. As far as I remember, it's a little bit south of 70th and Pasoancho (on pasoancho). If going south, it will be on your left side, just after a chicken restaurant. You'll see a guy sitting outside in front of a garage. Get inside (no cover), 3 floors up, and in there there are 10-20 college girls waiting for you. It's a bit more expensive than other places. A beer runs for $5000 pesos and the girl is about $40000 for the half hour.
Freeze
Hola Antifreeze,
I will be back in Cali in March (on my way to Sau Paulo). Do you have the address and phone number to Tanga Tanga. Unfortunately, several of the taxi cabs i was in did not have a clue where anything was located. Thus a physical address or a phone number would be greatly appreciated. Also, many places do not advertise in the Yellow Pages. Thanks!!!
Thanks in advance to any answer to the following question :
I want maybe go to Cali instead of my usual trip to Sao Paulo, being more for the moment in the 'GFE' mood than in the strictly mongering trip with daily visits to bomboa, Cafe Photo and Love Story ....
I could arrive on 8th April, but realise 8th and 9th April are holidays in Colombia, and also that school holidays begin on 8th till 18th : so my question is : Is Cali desert during this long week end (regular beerbars and discos closed ?) and during those two weeks could non pro hunting be low ?
Cheers
Pro
Antifreeze
02-12-04, 15:10
I believe that the April holyday that you refer to is 'semana santa'. Cali is a ghost town during that time. I am sorry to say that even I find it boring to stay in here. Non-pro chasing is a waste. The entire mistery resides in the fact that I do not have a clue where everyone goes!!! There must be a great party somewhere! But surely not in Cali.
Freeze
Antifreeze, thanks, great and useful advice !!
Maybe the week following Semana Santa could be better ...
Cheers
Before today I didn't really read too many reports. Maybe a few. I just read the entire Cali section. Interesting posts with many different opinions on the place. I just bought a ticket arriving in less than two weeks.
One thing that I think should be pointed out is that just because someone chooses to go to places like Fresca Flores doesn't ruin the market down there. Every city I've been to has their high end places that have always charged more and always will charge more. You can choose to stay and play or walk away. In all reality it's not going to change the market dynamics. In Buenos Aires it's Blacks, in Rio it's Barbarellas, in Lugano-Switzerland it's Cava. Sometimes it's a rip off and sometimes it's just more expensive. Like I said, it doesn't really change the market as a particular segment of the hobbying segment frequents such places anyway.
I agree with one poster when he said that sometimes girls will blackball you if they think you are super cheap. I couldn't believe someone offered 30 cents tip and asked for change. That is unreal to me. Whether we want to think of it or not, the girls that work in these clubs are offering a commodity. Prices are dictated by supply and demand. I always treat these girls like the princesses they are and have always been rewarded handsomely.
Anyway, it sounds like Leo was correct that it isn't the best place for P2P but the amatuer scene sounds fun. I've met up with him in Buenos Aires and Rio and we have similar tastes in girls. I'll check out the action and hope it's fun. I normally can have fun wherever I'm at though. I've hobbied now extensively in the USA, border towns of Mexico, interior of Mexico, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Costa Rica, Cuba and several countries in Western Europe. Every trip has been an adventure.
This Hotel San Fernando... Can someone give me an accurate idea of how comfortable the rooms are. What about the Dann Hotel? Is there a website link for the Dann Hotel?
I noticed Slick1 posted he got a regular non-sexual massage. Are there many good massage places with professional masseuses? If so, what is the name and address? I don't see it listed in the reports. Nothing beats a daily massage to get the day started right.
Also, will my GSM phone work down there? Can you buy a SIM card for an unlocked GSM phone and if so how much and where do you buy it? Thanks in advance. I'll post a detailed post as usual upon return.
Saint
Simple Man
02-14-04, 18:07
If you are looking to find a true amatuer (GF) in Cali you should be prepared to spend a lot of time in Cali and don't expect to get laid right off the bat. I spoke with a lot of guys down there who were under the impression that they were dating nice amatuer girls. These guys almost all had the same story, multiple shopping sprees, family dinners, being stood up for dates, waiting around for their novias to call and waiting for sex because she is such a nice girl. Then when you talk to the locales you find out that your friend's "novia" attaches hereself to every turista that comes along. Maybe I'm a little cynical, because I have actually been down that path, but I call these girls semi-pros. They usually cost you more than an actual pro and you don't get what you are paying for, sex. I don't think that you are going to meet a nice Colombian girl hanging out at the beer kiosk at the mall. You're going to meet a golddigging semi-pro, but as long as you know the score, and are playing her while she's playing you, have fun. That being said, Cali is a great P2P locale if you speak some spanish and have a sense of adventure you can find new casas every day of your trip with chicas to satisfy everyone's taste.
Hola Saint,
Well I respectfully disagree that Cali is not a great place for P2P. I've been to various country's in latin america (Panama, Costa Rica, Brazil, Mexico, ect.) In my humble opinion Cali is agreat place to go meet the working "ladies". There is a casa with hot young chicas on nearly every block. The most expensive places charge between 100-150 pesos an hour (35-45 US). Some casas have 18-20 year old gals with little experience in the business and some charge as little as $15 US per hr. for in-house services. Most of the Colombianas you meet in other countries first did the Colombian Circuit (Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, ect.) prior to their travels. Thus, in my opinion the gals in Colombia seem less jaded than those you meet in say Panama. Plus, in places like Panama, the gals all seem to have the same routine which, to be quite honest gets old quick.
As for meeting nice gals I would agree with Simple Man. However, if you do meet a gal you want to spend time with take her to Zona Rosa or Avenida Sexta ( where you will find lots of great, but affordable, restaurants, discos, and bars). Good Luck!!!
Thanks for the advice. I doubt I'll have problems. I can play the "game" with the best of them. You will never find me waiting around on a girl to call. Ha, ha. That is hilarious. I was on Amigos.com a while back and had tons of Columbian girls emailing me but all were seriously looking for a gringo husband. I'm not looking for that. I plan on being honest and telling them I want to 'butterfly' around.
I'm sure it will be a good adventure. I'm going down for 5 nights so that should be enough time to get a feel for the place. Thanks.
Saint
Ok fellas,
I am in Panama City now and it looks like I am going to be taking a trip to Cali in mid to late march. In Panama City the chicas show me SOME love but it definitely isnt what I expected. Probably because of the strong US influence in Panama (dammit) and the fact that I look like I am from Panama. BUT anyhow, I will be there in mid to late March and would love to hook up with some of you guys out there so I don't waste my time "learning to ropes". I am aleady sent some of you PM's. Any random info would be appreciated. Oh, and if any of you are coming to Panama city let me know, I'll brief you on what I know about the happenings here.
Wish me luck
Ok, enclosed is a pro out here in Panama. I included this pic because im hoping the chics in Cali look much better then she does.
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Saint
I had a good non sexual massage arranged at the gym in the Intercontinental. I think I paid about 22k pesos for 45 min- 1 hour. It was very good. Also there is an Estetica up the hill from the Intercontinental. As you face the lobby, it's on the right side of the hotel. Had another good massage from a very cute girl. Also then went for the total body fruit salad treatment. This was pretty bizarre as 2 girls basically turned me into a human fruit salad. It did feel good though and I smelled great. Just don't forget to wash the oatmeal and honey out of your ears or you will be surprised when you go to brush your hair. This place was a bit pricier, but cheap by our standards. Cali has plenty of places to pamper yourself and it is a good way to kill a couple hours. Also the spas and hair salons are full of hot women that love it when a stranger pays a visit. I think its part of the reason the Colombianas look so good. they do take care of themselves. Had a great time getting a haircut at the salon on top of the hill as well. Enjoy the trip.
Free Sex,
Wow, tell me you're just being sarcastic because that Panamanian chica is a real cutie. Oh well, "different strokes..."!
Wish'n U Luck
Ez
World Traveler #2
02-17-04, 21:03
Today is my last day here in Cali, It took me a while to get here, but the waiting was worth it, I have fallen in love with this city. It's really amazing how many beautiful women you see , I mean almost everywhere you look you see a beautiful woman.I want to thank the members of this board for sharing their valuable information. I visited many places and met so many lovely ladies. I will definitlely be back next month. With my guide Andres we even went to a couple of other cities near Cali, and met some girls who lived there that he knew and introduced me to.
I went to some casas but I prefered the semi-pros that my guide knew because you are not on the clock and you can spend some time with them without that kind of pressure, but that's something he sets up with the girl beforehand, however I took some girls out of those houses to bring them home the first days of my visit. I also went to some discos last friday and saturday outside the city, a place called Menga, that stays open after the bars and discos in the city close. We went with some of Andres' old collage friends among which there were four girls, two of which were absolutely stunning but he said that you'd have to put too much time into it before they put out but I made friends with them and got their emails, you never know what can happen in the future. I went to Fresh Fowers too and even though is a much more expensive than the other houses by the river that I visited, the women there were better looking. We were lucky and one of them gave us their number for us to call her the next day, which I did and had great sex for an hour. What a beautiful girl she was. If any of you go there, ask for Tania, she told me she was new there so that's even better I think.
Thanks for the new report World Traveler. Can you PM me Andres contact info. I normally don't believe in guides and probably won't use one for Cali but Columbia seems like the type of place where it might be better to hang out with a local at least 1-2 nights.
I've been emailing with Ramon that some of you recommended. He advised against the Intercontinental as he said that lately they are hassling with girls. I'll stay somewhere else. Probably Hostel San Fernando as the owner seems cool and it's highly recommended. Does anyone know a fair rate to pay someone to take you around? I don't really need the translating stuff but just mainly interested in the safety in numbers theory, although I've never been worried to go out alone even in places like Rio at 3 AM.
Fresca Flores sounds like my type of place. I don't mind paying a little extra if the quality is better. I plan on checking out the whole scene and will report once I'm there. I'll be on the ground there next week. Thanks again for all the good info.
Saint
Hey Saint,
I'm in Cali now and been using my paragliding instructor as a "Guide" at night. His base rate $35 for the evening with a bit of translating to break the ice with the chicas plus expenses (taxis etc...) and this guy knows the city and has great contacts with the chicas and and what ever else you may need. He's a local and a perro/dog.
He has been educated in the US and speaks English and Spanish fluently.
You can contact him yourself at [Email address deleted by Admin] or PM me if you want to know more or meet up for a cerveza or ron.
Cheers,
Rufus
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World Traveler #2
02-19-04, 02:51
Sure Saint,
Andres' email address is [Email address deleted by Admin]
Have a good time.
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Here's I girl I originally met in Cali about 7 years ago, wanted to marry her then but she got scared. Now she says she wants to marry me now. I'm scared. Hope to visit her next month.
I am planning to go to Colombia for one week, can anyone please recommend which of these two cities to choose, Medellin or Cali.
I am into disco scene at night and sightseeing, beaches during day time. Which city offer better prices in terms of chica and quality. What to do in these cities during day time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm in Cali now. I've been here the past 2 days. I typed up a monster report and a daily diary but I can't get my USB stick to work with this crappy computer that is running Windows '95 so I'll have to post it later. I have lots of thoughts on Cali in my report but for now I can tell you that I do like this city.
Cali will never be a major hobby destination. The US Government instills too much fear into Americans. I can honestly tell you to ignore the warnings. Cali is a very safe city as long as you don't stray outside of the city. The people are some of the friendliest I've ever met anywhere. The city to be blunt is...well ugly but the people make up for it with their hospitality and genuine warmth. I went to Flores Frescas last night and pulled out a hottie. Don't worry..I got lots of pictures. That place has some good talent. The key is not to be cheap there or you will be labled a cheap ass and the girls will avoid you like the plague. That is what happened to some of you if you're wondering why you didn't pull out girls. If they ask for the 150,000 pesos just pay it. You're basically haggling over $10 that will cost you a hot session.
It's not cheap there at $150,000 per hour plus the exit fee of $70,000 but my girl Evyln stayed 2 hours and I think she would have stayed much longer. She said the club was closing so she didn't have to go back but I was super tired so after the deed I sent her away. We are supposed to go on a dinner date on Sunday. She made me promise to call her.
I just had a monster 3 hour very GFE session with Nicole from Kaliente. Very sweet girl. We were both digging eachother. I knew I could have left but I bought her a drink and I had a RedBull so we could chit chat. It was a good move because we were making out like crazy and getting to know one another. It's 180,000 pesos to pull them out for 3 hours. Oh yeah, I got pictures of her too. I'm tired. I'm debating showering and going back out but probably won't since I went two rounds with her.
The city starts and ends much earlier than BA or Rio. They have good restaurants and the taxi's are cheap. I've had a lot of non-pro girls try talking to me at the malls but I'm just not that motivated since I'm leaving in a few days.
I'll post my reports and my pictures when I get back on Tuesday.
Saint
Tica Man,
Neither, as far as beach scene is concerned. If that is what you want you should go to Cartagena (safest and more tourist -oriented) or Medellin
Tica Man,
Sorry, but he last sentence should read Cartagena ... or San Andres.
But to make a long story short, Cartagena if just your best bet.
Damn guys. I've been out all day since 9 AM. It's about 11:30 PM here and I am gonna shower then go out. The girls here are hotter than any other place I've been to including Brazil and Argentina. Walk around Chipe Chope mall on a Saturday night and you'll break your necks looking at all the hot girls.
The P2P scene is also great. Wait till you see some of these pictures. I'm having a problem because I have 3 dates tomorrow and not sure who to go out with. I also am thinking about extending my stay another week. I met a girl that I think could be the next Mrs. Saint. A normal girl that works as a receptionist at a salon. I made the bold move asking if she is married. She is by far one of the hottest girls I've ever seen. She said no. I asked if she had a boyfriend and she said yes. I asked if he was a good guy. She said no. I kind of just moved on as my driver was waiting. Guess what? She called my hotel when I was out and I called her and even though she is going to Bogota for 3 days she wants me to wait for her until Tuesday. I think I am going to. She is just sweet and gorgeous. I talked to her for about 30 minutes on the phone and I told her I can't stop thinking about her. The last thing she told me was not to forget about her. She is a 10!
I'm loving Cali. The people are so friendly and the chicas are HOT. Take it from me. I've traveled all around the world but the amateur scene as well as the P2P scene here is phenomenal. They key is to not come across as a cheap ass at a lot of places. I have lots of stories. More later.
It's almost 3:30 AM here. Another one of my Floras Frescas girls left. Her body was hot but I thought her face would have been better but it's so dark in the club. Still, she was awesome in the sack and had more energy then most of the girls I have been with. It's easy accumulating phone numbers and novias here.
One important thing. If you don't speak at least intermediate to conversational Spanish you can't crack the amateur scene. Hola, como estas and cuantos anos tienes will only go so far. LEARN some Spanish.
I'm dead tired. I'm not sleeping much. Rigo is a great guy but the bed isn't that comfortable. I really think I'll stay a whole another week if I can swing it with work. I think I've been gone more than I've been there so far this year.
I agree with many of the guys that said the amateur scene is great but I disagree when they said the P2P scene is not that great. It's awesome. I sessioned with hotties every day. I've also taken the time to see the city and do normal vacation stuff. I'll post it in my daily journal on my laptop. Take care, I have to try to get some sleep. I have a lot to do tomorrow including trying to change my ticket. I can't get this girl out of my head and that very seldom happens.
Dancesw/Chicas
02-29-04, 10:23
Saint,
I recognized you from the BA board.
I see you are in Colombia now. You are definitely the
Magellan of mongers!
I read your line about Cali having the hottest chicas, above
BR and BA! A hell you're saying!!!
Are you sure?? Could you give us a comparison of prices
with BA in lodging, food, services etc...
Also, don't forget to tell us about "the one"
I can see the headlines "after mongering around the globe,
Saint is finally capture by calena secretary"
Or "Saint's fall, Big hit for the US monger cartel"
Have fun amigo!
DWC
Saint
Glad to read you are having a great time. I look forward to your detailed reports. I think you will be leaving Colombia with many of the same impressions I had. Enjoy the rest of your stay and steer clear of the next Mrs. Saints boyfriend. Next time I will join you down there.
Slick
Dances with chicas,
Yeah. I've been doing quite a bit of traveling the past few months. Just in the last few months I've hit Switzerland, Italy, Cuba, Cancun, Costa Rica, Paris, Germany, London and now Cali. I'm still going to the French Riviera next month, Peru in April and Amsterdam/Paris/Prague in May. No trips planned after that. I need a rest I think. Ha, ha.
I have a very detailed report but it's on my laptop. I brought a USB keychain stick but many of these computers here are Windows 95 so it won't work even after downloading the drivers from the Kingston website.
I stand by my post that the Columbianas are the hottest girls on the planet. I mean there are plenty of hot Brasileras and Argentinas but percentage wise there are more hot girls here. Make no mistake, the city is kind of a dump. It's not beautiful. Sure there are nice neighborhood but almost every nice area is next to a crappy area. It's an anomoly. I hired a taxi the other day and paid $8 an hour for him to just drive me around the city for 4 hours. I went to nice areas, I went to poor areas. I went to the top of Cristo Rey. I'm sure must mongers coming here don't do that kind of thing but as I mentioned, I'm not just here to hobby. I've really enjoyed discovering new cultures and getting to know the people. You can't go to a country and just go to P2P places and get a handle on a city.
Frankly, Cali can't compare to BA or most other cities astetically. But the people here are so warm, genuine and it leaves you with a certain happy feeling. I'll post all of this in my report.
Starfe just changed my ticket for me with American. I'm staying another week. God, I can't stop thinking about this girl. There is this wholesome quality about her but on the other side she is just so sexy. Beauty pagent material. I was told during my massage she was 25. It was funny. I was getting my daily 1 hour full body massage and I asked the lady if my girl was married. She said no. I think here as long as you aren't married you are fair game. These girls might have boyfriends but these Calenos are such dogs. There are so many hot girls here they can't stay faithful so they cheat on them. They might get caught but all the other guys are doing it too so the girls just have to put up with it.
So, I'm getting my massage and I had Gloria call down and ask her what time she got off. The day before she was gone when I was done. She told the masseuse that she leaves for lunch at 1 PM. I wasn't done till like 1:45 PM. She asks why she wanted to know and the lady told her that I thought she was beautiful and wanted to talk to her. Then the hottie told her to tell me she comes back from lunch at 3 PM. Well, guess what? When I got done she was still there. I think she was waiting on me. She was quick to tell me that she didn't have a husband. Then I asked if she had a boyfriend and she reluctantly said yes. But when I asked her if he was a good guy she just stood there thinking and didn't say yes.
This is what I mean. You HAVE to be able to communicate with girls if you stand a shot at any sort of relationship. Girls get bored quick. I've found that part of my good luck in and out of the hobby is being able to keep them interested, laughing and of course the great sex doesn't hurt either... Ha, ha.
Anyway, I left but I went to a country club and was playing raquetball with Rigo and ther other guy we went out with the other night. Let's call him Jay. We went to the sauna and I just told those guys I couldn't get my mind off this girl. Rigo told me to just call her up and I told him he was reading my mind. I was going to tell her I knew she had a boyfriend and I can respect that but I just want to go have a coffee with her or lunch/dinner to talk and get to know one another.
I got sidetracked with Jay and we spent several hours at Kaliente with some hot girls. (I have the pictures to prove it). Somehow Jay and I ended up in the same room half naked with the girls naked! I'll elaborate in my report.
So, at this point it's about 10 PM and I haven't been home since 9 AM or so. I forgot all about my hottie. Then Rigo tells me that she called me! I'm not sure how she even found out where I was staying. I never gave her my #. She told Rigo that she just doesn't do this type of thing but she couldn't stop thinking about me. Ahhhh. I know. So I called her and voila. I told her I couldn't get her off of my mind (true) and that I wanted to get to know her. She basically told me her boyfriend is a piece of crap. I asked if her parents liked him and she quickly said, "NO!" She went to Bogota early this morning with her parents but she's coming back on Tuesday night and she made me promise to call her.
Slick1,
I reasoned she might have a drug dealer boyfriend but I eliminated that for the following reason. She has been working at this salon 2 years. If she had a rich dealer boyfriend she wouldn't be working in this type of job. I'm not scared. Cali is NOTHING to be scared about. I walk alone at night although I probably wouldn't recommend it.
Today is Sunday and I'm really tired only having slept 4 hours. I have 3 girls that want to do something today. Sh*t. I told 3 of them I'd call them so I have to decide who to see. Today I might take a tour in the mountains. I heard it might be a little dangerous but I hear it's beautiful. Rigo thinks I should ask Evelyn the first girl from Flores Frescas. I'm thinking maybe the girl from Kaliente. Decisions, decisions.
My final comment for this post. If you can speak some Spanish go up to a girl and talk to her. Tell her you think she is beautiful. Ask if she has a boyfriend. Whether you are in a restaurant, cafe, club, walking down the street. You really have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If you're in the late 20's to late 30's range you will have a good shot here. I'm not sure about guys older than that. Generally most of these girls are young. I haven't seen any hot girls walking around with anyone older than 30's. Even at Chipe Chope. Most of the girls are with younger guys. That doesn't mean it's not possible but these people really take care of themselves. I've seen very few slobs. Generally a girl takes great care of herself and she will demand that the guy she is with looks good too. You may think to yourself yeah but I have money. Well, let me tell you money isn't everything.
More later.
Saint
I took the trip up to Christo Rey as well. Kind of an eerie feeling up there with all the grave markers and no one else around. I found the view of the mist covered Andes off the backside much more interesting than the view of the city below. Like you it made me want to go exploring. It looks stunningly beautiful up there. I never did go beyond Christo Rey and heeded the warnings of many. While I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments of Cali I held my explorer instincts in check. I believe there are dangers in the mountains and that the statistics don't lie. There has to be a reason why there are so many militia walking around with machine guns. I may be wrong, but it was the word of many of the people of Cali that convinced me to stay on level ground. Perhaps some of the board members living down there may want to chime in on this subject. Saint I know I am not going to quell the explorer in you and I'll probably be reading a great post on your day in the Andes, but be careful my friend. Sounds like you have got everything you need waiting for you at the reception desk. Take that girl over to Club Chango in Juanchito and Salsa up a storm. Enjoy.
thanks for the warning slick1. i know the risks. im not sure i will go because the jay and rigo think it might not be a good idea to invite one of the working girls i met. might be too suspicious for jay who has been spending a lot of time with me. im at chipi choppe mall now and i can use my usb stick. here is my detailed diary for those interested.
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here is my report so far.
my reports read more like a diary or journal entry. there is probably more information on other things than just sex so if you’re not interested feel free to stop reading now. thanks.
i had an uneventful journey although during the descent to cali it was very turbulent. i was flying upfront so i was the first to go through customs. it was very quick and easy with no lines. something interesting here is they don’t stamp your passport with a traditional stamp. it’s fed through a computer and imprinted on your passport page. kind of like a deposit receipt at the bank.
after customs you go downstairs and get your bags if you checked luggage. if not, you simply go through the final security area and hand them your papers. i wasn’t checking luggage so i was the first one out. there are lots of people waiting outside for their friends and family members arriving. it kind of reminded me of cuba.
my driver was waiting for me. i knew i could simply take a taxi from the airport but rigo from my hotel told me he’d arrange it if i wanted. i asked the price and he said $19. i’m sure it was a little more than simply taking it but what’s $2? it was actually nice to have someone there ready waiting for me and that took my bags. it’s comforting after a flight.
the ride to the hotel was quick and easy. i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again. take some time to learn some basic spanish. this is another country where the vast majority of the people speak no english. i could communicate well with my taxi driver and he was pointing out certain areas. upon arrival i meet rigoberto or “rigo”. he’s a great guy as others have mentioned. his english is perfect as he formally lived in the us. he has a very genuine outgoing character and we got along well. i’d highly recommend the hostel san fernando.
i got a room with an american style mattress. it’s nothing to write home about but i was able to sleep a few hours last night so that’s a relief. the pillows aren’t that great though so you may want to pack your own. the place is quaint and nothing fancy. it’s like the high end casa particulars (apartments) in cuba.
i took a shower and changed and rigo said he was going to flores frescas (ff) with this other dude and asked if i wanted to go. i was going to go there anyway so i went with them. i heard ff is the nicest place in town with the hottest girls. i didn’t know what to expect but so far everyone was friendly that i met. it’s a multiple story building and the club is on the top floor (3rd). there is a big stage with chairs and couches around it. the room was very dark though. the entrance fee here is 15,000 pesos. beers were 5,000 pesos. i think redbulls might have been 10,000 or 15,000 pesos. i can’t remember.
there are definitely some cute girls here. i’d say the majority were 7’s and 8’s with an occasional 9. to be honest, i expected better though. the club had a good upbeat feel to it. we got there before the nightly lesbian show. around 11 pm the girls all dance on the stage or around it so the guys can see their bodies and get a better look at them. there is also more light so this is your chance to take a good look at them. if you want them to do a little mini-lap dance you can call them over. give them like 2,000 pesos as a tip or 5,000 if you really like her. if you want to see her after their dancing just ask her. “te gustaria beber algo conmigo despues bailando”? (would you like to drink something with me after dancing). you might want to get some small bills before coming here. i didn’t have many but luckily i always carry around a lot of $1 bills.
this is definitely not the place you want to be cheap in. it’s evident right away these girls will shut you down fast and hard if you’re cheap. i saw some americans haggling with some girls and after that i saw that none of the girls would even look at the guys. if some of you had problems here before that might be the reason why. my philosophy is at the more upscale places you can expect to pay more. is haggling over $10 really worth it? i can’t believe so many guys i meet will give up sessioning with a hottie for very little money. they always say sh*t like “it’s the principle of the matter”. that is utter bs to me. let’s be honest. you’re just being cheap and there is no shame in admitting it. just say you don’t want to spend the money instead of making excuses. remember the memories are truly priceless.
so the girls come out first in their bikinis, then around song and their clothes come off. at one point they are completely naked and you can see everything. there is nothing to hide. many girls that looked good in their clothes all of a sudden didn’t look so hot. honestly, i only saw maybe 2 girls i would session with. i like a thin girl with natural big breasts so that narrowed it down to one girl. rigo told me that she could be a little cold until after she felt comfortable with you. he also told me not to be cheap with her as she would shut me down immediately. i told him i’ve been around a little and know how it works and i’m not cheap anyway.
guys have to realize in some countries you do have to take control and can’t get scammed but there is a difference of not being scammed and being cheap. there are some places you can be cheap in. places like this aren’t one of them.
after the girls paraded naked they put their clothes back on and the lesbian show started. the girls were not the hottest but it was an awesome show. the lesbo show made the show at places like nuevo estillo in buenos aires look like two girls trying to sell girlscout cookies. these girls were going down on each other until they came. they were rubbing their pussies together vigorously, making out and sucking all over one another’s bodies. you name it. then to taunt the visitors you see this strap on dildo sitting at the edge of the stage. of course, after the suck fest there was a f*ck fest. one of the girls stapped on the dildo and they put a condom on it. the other girl started sucking the dildo. then of course they start f*cking in multiple positions. it was a pretty good show.
in fact, most of the guys there were only coming for the show. i was amazed to see guys coming here with their girlfriends to watch the show. when i asked rigo about this he told me there is not much to do in cali so this is like an “artistic event” for them. can you imagine taking your girlfriend back home to one of these “concerts”?!!
i’m always curious when i travel so i was asking rigo a ton of questions. he’s a good guy full of a lot of knowledge about the scene here in cali. i’d highly recommend you stay in his place. i knew i wasn’t going to pay a guide to take me around. rigo is better than any guide anyway. he just came out and had a few drinks with me and another dude then left.
after the lesbo show the girls came around collecting money for tips. keep this in mind if you tip. i gave the girl $3 because i thought they would share it. then the other girl came around asking and i told her that i already gave the other girl $3. she said ok and walked away. then rigo told me that they don’t share tips so i flagged down the girl and gave her a buck too. i really think you guys should at least give each girl like 2,000 pesos or a buck each. it’s up to you.
none of the american or columbian guys were making any moves for the girls. i flagged over the girl i really liked. she was thin with big natural breasts. yum. “evilyn” appeared shy at first. maybe she is a little. 19 year old girl with one child. it seems like many of these girls already have kids. i talked with her and after staring in her eyes i knew i wanted to leave with her. it was only around midnight. i asked how much and she told me 150,000 pesos for one hour. i didn’t even counteroffer. rigo told me the going rate was 100,000 – 200,000 depending on how hot the girl was. she was clearly the hottest girl here. plus you have to pay the house an exit fee of 70,000 pesos. some guys were speculating earlier if it’s 50 or 70k. they told me 70k and i was with rigo so i doubt they’d try to con us.
you have to settle up your bar bill then they charge the exit fee. i only had 4 20,000 bills and asked for change but the manager just said to pay 60,000 pesos. they called a taxi and i also had to pay the girl there in the club. at first i was a little reluctant to pay first but i did. 150,000 pesos.
when we got back i could get a better look at her in the light of my room. she was really a pretty girl with beautiful eyes. very sweet. i had my ipod with tons of music and speakers so we had music. (special thanks to seaman who guided me through the whole ipod tips/tricks process). we both showered and something a little disappointing right off the bat is she didn’t allow deep kissing. i could respect that though. i don’t push it. my goal with these type of girls is to really get into their heads and want to give gfe. i snapped a few pics of her. at first she wouldn’t allow any nude pics with her face but then when she saw them on my digital camera screen she really liked them.
here is where your spanish comes into play. you gotta chat her up. i always say things like “que bonita!” “dios mio, tu eres mi modelo” “que cara mas bonita!”. stuff like that. tell them how beautiful they are. how they could be a model. before you know it they are asking you to take more pictures.
anyway, we session and i’m loving her body. i go down on her and she is sooo loving it. she gave me a fair bbbj. i don’t think she has too much experience. she’s only been working 6 months or so. the session was great. afterwards we chatted and chatted. i could tell i was getting in her head a little. i was super tired though. she stayed closer to 2 hours and i think would have stayed longer. i told her she could leave and she looked stunned. she asked me if i wanted her to leave but i turned it around saying i knew she was probably tired. she countered that the club closes at 3 am and she didn’t have to go back but i was tired.
she gave me her real name as well as her cell phone number. i told her i was going to the mall and she asked if i wanted to meet her. i told her that i’d rather do dinner with her and we planned a date for sunday. i’ll probably call her as she was really a sweet girl. she has lots of potential.
i’m laying in bed typing this. i usually can’t sleep more than 5 hours or so when i travel. they are constructing some apartments at the hotel so there is a lot of noise right now anyway. i have my laptop here. i love my little dell x200 laptop. if you don’t take the bottom dvd player it’s only 2.5 lbs. so i can just throw it in my backpack and i’m good to go. i’m going to get a massage today and then hit the malls and see the city.
it’s about 5:30 pm and i just got home. i’ve been out all day since this morning. surprisingly i’m not overly anxious to hobby. believe it or not i didn’t come just to hobby. i’ve been enjoying traveling around the world lately and just taking in new cities and cultures. some of my friends tell me to slow down or that i’m over doing it. what they and others don’t realize is that traveling makes me happy. in general i think traveling makes all americans happier. most just don’t have it high on their list of priorities. it’s one of my top priorities now if you couldn’t tell already. i’m starting to understand and appreciate different cultures.
cali isn’t going to win any beauty contests. the city isn’t beautiful at all. in fact, i can argue that it is one of the uglier cities i’ve been to around the world. something that is redeeming about it is its citizens. people are so friendly here. it seems like whether you are black, white, american, european, asian, etc. they accept and embrace you here as long as you respect them and aren’t an “ugly” tourist. everywhere i go people are so polite. when i ask for directions, when i’m ordering food, when i’m buying something, the people are very friendly. i almost always here, “con mucho gusto” (with much pleasure). the thing of it is they really mean it!
the us state department warnings can be ignored if you’re only visiting the city. i wasn’t nervous before coming but you hear so much you wonder what it’s really like. it’s no different than any other city i’ve been to. if you practice common sense and good judgment you’ll be fine.
these people take good care of themselves. the majority of the people are in great shape here. even the men seem to take pride in their appearance. as others have mentioned there are a lot of esteticas around the city where people ‘get pretty’.
this morning i went to the supermarket near my hotel. i tried getting cash with my atm card but it wouldn’t work at these 2 atm’s near the supermarket. i had a few hundred $us that i went to the casa de cambio in the supermarket but they wouldn’t exchange it without my actual passport. i offered a photocopy since i never walk around with my passport but they wouldn’t accept it. the exchange rate was not that great at around 2550:$1. i think the official rate is around 2700:$1.
i bought some drinks and snacks as they accept credit cards there. when i came back it was still early so i had the maid make me some breakfast and then i planned to go get a normal massage. i ran into rigo and he offered to exchange money at the same rate as the supermarket. i got $300 from him and planned to use the bancafe at the mall. rigo said others have had problems but the bancafe atm’s will work.
i went to an estetica not too far away. most taxis are very cheap. it’s interesting how the taxis work here. all the taxis have meters but they don’t run a tab. instead there is a number and it gets higher. that number corresponds to a price. the minimum cost is 2300 pesos. it can escalate up to 9,000 pesos on a very long journey to unicentro mall.
this place is a nice salon. it’s very big with a ton of staff sitting around waiting for customers. you can get haircuts, manicures, pedicures, massages, etc. here. i inquired about a massage and she said there was a 45 minute wait. i decided to get a manicure and pedicure while i waited. i’m sure you guys are snickering but it doesn’t matter to me. occasionally i’ll get this done in south america. i like to take care of myself. surprisingly so do several men here as there were several guys in here getting it done too. it was very cheap. i had them doing a manicure and pedicure at the same time. the two girls were nice. you can ask for daisy. she did a good job. it was something like 15,000 pesos for the manicure and maybe 12,500 for the pedicure. i gave them 20,000 peso note to share as a tip and they seemed happy.
then i went upstairs and got naked and got a full body massage from gloria. she is the only “masaje terapeutico” there. she was really excellent. the cost was 25,000 pesos for 1 hour plus 5,000 for a ‘hot rock treatment’. she takes 2 extremely hot stones and rubs them on your body. i had the same thing done at another spa before except there it was something like $15 extra instead of 5,000 pesos. it was really relaxing. at first i felt kind of weird since there was no real draping. the washcloth sized towel fell off and my boys were just hanging out there. it’s ok. luckily i’m not shy.
i told her i’d come here every day i’m here for a massage. i gave her a 20,000 peso bill and told her that was her tip for today and tomorrow. i made a 1 hour appointment for tomorrow too. i know some guys have something against tipping people for good services. i don’t and i could do without the smart ass comments. i’ve always been this way and probably always will be. it’s not automatic but if the service is good it’s kind of nice to brighten someone’s day by giving them a nice tip. i’ve always thought to myself how i would feel if i were them.
after that i took a taxi to chipe chopi mall. it was kind of a hike. i think the taxi fare was something like 9000 pesos. it is a maze of stores on one level. you walk in an open-air mall. i didn’t find the clothes for men to be that great. it can’t compare to clothes in brazil and stores like yachtsman in rio sul mall. however, there are many stores for girls. the jeans here for girls are amazing. most girls walking around are wearing jeans. no one is wearing shorts and i didn’t even though it’s warm out. i don’t like completely standing out.
it’s not too crowded on a friday afternoon. i heard the weekends are packed and i’ll come back tomorrow to do some shopping. i took a taxi to unicentro mall. this mall was even further away. traffic was very heavy since it’s the end of the month and a friday so everyone is getting paid today. the taxi driver was really friendly and we talked the whole way. what you realize when you start to travel a lot is you realize not everyone is envious of americans. sure we have it good in the states but many of these people are content with their lives. people here in cali seem very happy. they might not be wealthy but i guess money isn’t everything.
i arrived at unicentro and it’s a little bigger than chipe chopi mall. i was able to get 300,000 pesos from my atm card and i figure i have plenty to get me by for tonight and tomorrow at least. i got something to eat and had a good bbq ribs meal for something like 20,000 pesos with drink. there were two cuties and they kept looking over at me. i went to get some more napkins and then i asked them if they wanted some ice cream. (yeah, i know kind of cheesy but it worked). one was hotter than the other. it looked like they got done working and they confirmed it later. they were wearing blue scrubs as they worked in the hospital.
it’s quite easy to meet non-pro girls here but i have to be honest. i’m only here a few days and i don’t really want to invest the time to nurture this type of relationship. i’m not looking for a girlfriend. i have no problems meeting normal girls in the usa or when i travel. after it was clear i was only attracted to one of them the hot one gave me her phone number. i’ll probably never call her but you never know.
i’m going to rest a bit then shower and get ready to go out. later.
it was pretty early but i wanted to walk around cali and hit a few spots and clubs and see the town. i took a taxi to la casa de las cervesas and it was packed even at 9 pm. it was a friday night though. i stayed and had a drink then i walked around. if you walk down the hill you’ll take a curve and at the bottom of the hill you’ll take a right and you’ll come across this area with tons of younger kids. many are the hippie type but everyone was friendly. there was also a strong smell of pot in the air here. i guess the cops don’t care? i walked around that area some. i never felt unsafe at all but then again i’m kind of the adventurous type.
i decided to take a taxi to chipe chope mall to see how it is at night. it was packed and there were tons of people of all ages. families, younger crowd and 30’s crowd. i looped around and just watched people. i got a lot of smiles and looks here. if you want to make an effort you can meet girls here. go back and read leo’s post from a while back. i agree with his assessment of the scene here. except i will say the p2p scene is better than he described. for the amateur scene guys in their late 20’s to early 40’s will probably have an easier time as most of these girls are younger. i didn’t see any older guys with young girls walking around. it’s not like cuba or costa rica where you see tons of this happening. most of the pretty girls walking around with guys are with younger guys their age or a little older.
one thing i found a little reassuring i guess is many of the place carry around machine guys. the police here are serious and don’t look like they take sh*t from anyone. they all are in good shape. not like some of the american cops that let themselves go and are out of shape. these guys are everywhere but especially in the shopping malls. maybe because there are so many atm’s here?
i took a taxi to kaliente – calle 25 norte, no. 2 bis-47, b. san vicente. telephone: 653-6832. open 24 hours a day (except sundays)
there is no cover charge here. it’s just a house and there is no sign that i saw. there are 3 guys standing outside that confirmed i was where i needed to be. there is a price list for drinks on the wall on the left as you enter. it’s a nice enough place with couches in the lobby. you sit down and girls come in one by one for selection. kind of like the line up at 1707 santa fe apartment in buenos aires.
i didn’t know what to expect but i was quite pleased. they only had about 7 girls at about 10 pm but there was easily 3 i could have seen. i thought a girl named nicole had the best attitude and her tits hanging out in her outfit didn’t hurt things too much. she is a pretty girl that has a lot of personality. i told the guy my selection and he went to get her. she was so giddy and she was so happy i picked her. if she was acting she deserves an oscar and an emmy award. we chatted and i had the option of leaving with her or having a drink. i knew i could have just left but i wanted to have a drink with her on her turf to just unwind and get to know one another. she as with every other girl spoke no english whatsoever. so if you can’t speak spanish save the money and go back without drinking. a red bull and a beer i think was 25,000 pesos.
you have the choice to see the girl on-site for 60,000 pesos for ½ hour; one hour for 80,000 pesos or taking her out for 3 hours for 180,000. of course i took the 3 hour option and brought her to my place. we made out in the taxi the entire way. i would joke around and tell the taxi driver that i found my love and stuff like that. we were all cracking up.
we get back and this girl is super gfe. a great deep french kisser. i took a lot of pictures and she isn’t that photogenic because i saw the pictures and she looks prettier in person. she did know about the internet and told me that many americans go to kaliente from reading on the internet. she had no problems about me taking pictures and even mentioned “internet”? i just giggled.
i had an awesome session. bbbj, dfk, sex in multiple positions for a long time. we ended up going two rounds and at times got a little carried away. you gotta be careful with these girls. easy to think too easily with just your little head.
we talked about her work. surprisingly the families of these girls know what they do. it’s not like some countries like brazil or argentina where the girls tell their families they work in a restaurant or “bingo”. their families know and don’t object. probably more for the reason that these girls are basically supporting their family. it is great spending time with these girls but i try to understand all aspects of things.
the majority of girls that do this can never get ahead. the smart ones save up and buy property or save their money. girls in columbia seem to be in a rut of supporting their families. kaliente might be nice and nicole didn’t say anything negative about it but i think it’s kind of like a jail. the girls don’t know what they are getting into. they live there and they have to work 6 days a week. the place is open 24 hours a day. they work till like 10 in the morning then sleep till like 5 pm so they really don’t have time for a whole lot. most of the girls working at kaliente were from other smaller cities my girl told me.
after close to 3 hours i was drained. my girl and i were spooning and falling asleep. i told her i was gonna fall asleep and she probably would get in trouble if she did too. she told me they would call her and she wanted to wait the last possible moment. she left about 1 am. i had to call 22 on my room phone as always. you see, you can’t exit without the owner or the staff opening the outside gate. some might find this annoying but i like the safety of it. you can’t even call a taxi for a girl because they owner has to let them out anyway so they call a taxi for you. taxi’s here are fast. usually they are here within 5 minutes so don’t call until you are ready. she also gave me all her contact information.
i was surprised that rigo was up and drinking outside on the patio with the other dude we went to flores frescas with the other night. my girl left and i sat out and we chatted about girls, life, cali and everything else. i really like rigo. he’s an honest guy that will do you right. if you need anything he is the guy to talk to. he like many in cali seem to have a high quality of life. a quality of life that isn’t measured by how much money you have but the lifestyle. i know a ton of guys that could never begin to spend all the money they have but they slave away at their jobs always under pressure.
i’m sure i could make more money working harder but at this stage in my life it’s more important for me to experience new places and cultures. to “walk the earth”. i got this book about traveling around europe by a guy named rick steves. he basically travels around on the cheap staying at hostels. i’m going to try some of his principles but i know i never could travel like he does.
anyway, it’s still early. i got an early start on the day yesterday and was out and about all day. it’s only 8 am and i’m going to go walking around. it’s saturday so the nightlife should be good. i might go to the cristo rey statue on top of this hill and have a look at the city.
dear diary,
today is sunday. i had a very full day yesterday. i went out at 9 am and didn’t come back till 10 pm and then i went out again and didn’t come back until 2:30 am from flores frescas. i hired a taxi driver to take me to cristo rey and drive me around the city. it was $8 an hour which seemed like a bargain to me.
i went up to cristo rey but it was cloudy so it obstructed the view of the city. i could still see the city but it didn’t make for good photos. my driver al was a good guy. he was bilingual and used to work in the usa. he had an interesting background. i asked him why he left the states and apparently he got into some drug problems and fled rather than face the charges. that was over 10 years ago so i’d assume the statute of limitations would kick in. he was an intelligent guy that got over a wicked drug problem. he seemed too intelligent to be driving around a taxi but he almost accepted it as a penance for all the bad things he did in the past. he married has a kid and appears to be happy. he doesn’t cheat on his wife which is probably difficult in a town with so many hot women.
we talked on top of the hill about cali, usa and life in general. i had a massage appointment later in the day but i had him drive me around cali so i could get a better picture of it. cali is reported by the locals to have around 3.5 million people. it’s not a small city. it’s also not a very walk able city. taxis are so cheap so it’s easy. the air isn’t that clean in the city. there is a lot of traffic most days and the fumes from all the buses, taxis and motorcycles cause a hazy mess.
i toured a community called cristales. it had some nice houses and apartments. there were tons of them for sale. i guess several years ago many drug dealers bought houses there. they put in gold plated this and that. spent millions on them. some of them even have pools inside of them. but now those guys are either in jail or moved on so these houses are for sale for a fraction of what these guys spent on them. who here can afford these kind of houses? not many.
we drove around the city for hours. i was hungry so al took me to another mall. i forget the name of it but it was smaller. we got some pastels which were pretty good. there is this chain of rapidos called el locuro i think. there were several hot girls here too but chipe chope is the place to go to be seen.
al took me to my appointment and i saw my dream girl again. the receptionist from the other day. she is my ideal columbian woman. hell, she is my dream woman period. great body, model quality face, big natural breasts, great smile. just perfect! i wanted to talk to her the other day after my massage but she was gone already. i reasoned that she had to be married.
i went up for my massage and asked if this girl was married. gloria told me no. she could tell that i was interested in her. i told her that i couldn’t stop thinking about her. i asked if she would mind calling down and finding out what time she worked until because last time she was gone. i guess she goes to lunch or break from 1 pm to 3:30 pm. the hottie asked why gloria wanted to know and gloria said that i wanted to know and that i wanted to talk to her. hottie tells her that she is leaving at 1 but she’ll be back at 3:30 if i wanted to talk to her.
i had another awesome massage and i was surprised when hottie is still there. i paid my bill and gave gloria another good tip. then i talked to this girl. i could see everyone was looking at me but i didn’t care. i pulled her aside and asked her if she was married. she said no. i told her that i wanted to talk to her yesterday but she was gone already. she was kind of shy. then i asked if she had a boyfriend and she didn’t seem to like this question. but i didn’t want a cap in my ass from some jealous boyfriend so i asked. she tells me that she does have a boyfriend. i asked if she was in love with him. she didn’t answer then shook her head no. i asked if he was a good guy. she didn’t answer then kind of said no. then i asked if he is a good guy sometimes. she said, “as veces”. i knew she was interested but my driver was waiting and she had customers waiting in line to check out.
i figured i’d call her later. then i thought to myself there is no way she was hooked up with some drug dealer type. she’s been working here for 2 years and making peanuts probably. she wouldn’t be here if she had that kind of boyfriend.
i went to a country club that rigo was at. we played racquetball and i sweated my ass off. i really liked rigo. he’s a smart guy that is what you see what you get. then the other guy that joined us at flores frescas (ff) joined us. let’s call him jay. jay was a great racquetball player. he was also a really good guy. he was originally from cuba and he found my observations about cuba to be spot on.
we all went to the sauna and it was great. it had eucalyptus in the steam so it was really soothing. we all had a drink that was full of fruit. i forget the name but it translates into “splash”. i ate because i’m always hungry. i think both these guys were a little amazed by my journeys. i told them i couldn’t get hottie off my mind. rigo suggested to call her and i thought the same thing. i was gonna do it later.
rigo had to go home but i wanted to hit a casa. i asked jay to go with me. he seemed up for it. this guy was funny. he is here with his house for vacation! he had to be really careful. we tried going to la mansion and there were only 3 girls there so we didn’t even go in. always ask how many girls are before you pay a cover. don’t confuse mansion with mansion rosa which is flores frescas.
then i wanted to go to kaliente as there were plenty of hot girls yesterday. we get there and it’s funny. half the girls were sleeping and they woke them up for the lineup. these girls sleep till like 5 pm and it was only like 4 pm i think. jay said he didn’t see anything he likes. he prefers fuller women and many of the girls here are petite. i saw a girl that i wanted to pick the other day. she was hot. i picked my girl and he said he’d wait. i told jay to at least see a girl for an hour. he told me he was just going to booze which was cool with me.
my girl came out then jay picked a girl to come out and talk to. we drank with our girls and joked around. mine was hilarious. 21 years old from the same city as the other girl. i think it’s pronounced armenia (?). hot girls from this city.
i decide to session for one hour. it’s 100,000 pesos. there are 4 bedrooms upstairs. i could take my pick and the rooms are very clean and big. i let her pick one. wrong move as it turns out. we start to session and there is no air conditioning in this room. we are going at it hard and heavy and i’m sweating my ass off. she is great but not gfe at first. tells me that she doesn’t kiss clients. call me cynical but i kind of like when they do this. i kind of make it a mission to get gfe and watch them evolve into getting into the session and then getting all gfe. she was no different. we had a monster session but after 40 minutes i was done. i took a cold shower and kind of hurried as i thought jay was waiting for me downstairs.
imagine my surprise when jay hears us talking and knocks on the adjoining door. he is surprised we are leaving. i tell him that i thought he was waiting downstairs. he laughs. i guess he decided to session after all. he is in his underwear and his girl is in a towel naked. i’m clothed and so is my girl. jay suggests that we shed some clothes so they don’t feel so out of place. this usually is not my cup of tea but i figured why not? anything to make the girls feel more comfortable right??
i suggest that we take some pictures. jay’s girl is totally against this. mine is indifferent since she already let me take pictures. then we gave them 40,000 pesos for some pictures. they didn’t want to take any naked pics only wanting to be in their towels at first. but then i gave my classic lines of, “que cuerpos mas bonitas!” “dios mio…dos modelos!” sh*t like that. they were loving the pictures and then we took more and more and more. i think they turned out great. jay thinks i should quit my job and travel the world photographing beautiful women. oops. aren’t i already doing that? i guess i’m not being paid though. oh well. i can’t complain.
i liked jay. we had a lot in common as he also has a big heart. he also isn’t cheap. he doesn’t like to waste money either but he doesn’t mind spending it. we all were having a lot of laughs and a good time. the phone rang and we went downstairs.
i thought we were going to leave but we end up ordering some drinks and hanging out with our girls downstairs for at least maybe 1.5 hours. we were having a great time. we were both playing kissy face with our girls. i invited mine to go in the mountains with me then out to dinner. i guess i forgot i already had 2 dates already with other girls. my girl made me promise to call her.
then we all talked about the business. all of you guys that think these girls are making a fortune can forget it. it’s quite sad. some of these girls don’t work for 3 or 4 days in a row. this place is like a prison almost. don’t get me wrong. the management treats them good they all said. but they can’t leave. the only day they get off is sunday. most aren’t making that much. on the best of months they make $500. they can go up to 4 or 5 days with not one customer since there are so many girls. you should have seen jay’s girl. at one point she was almost in tears saying, “thank you god”. when i asked him later why she was like that. he told me she is going to a baby shower tomorrow and they didn’t have enough to buy drinks and stuff. her mom was expecting in a month. jay gave her some money and before we left i slipped her 20,000 pesos and told her i hope it helps. i think these girls were amazed by their expressions.
i tipped my girl well and i think jay did too. we both were surprised that his girl didn’t session in the past 3 days. you could tell she wasn’t bs’ing either. cali just isn’t a high volume place like other cities.
at this point it’s already like 8 pm. we kept saying we were going to leave and kept making out with our girls and hugging and talking. i suggested we go to chipe chope to grab a coffee and i needed to get some more money from an atm as i ran out already. we arrived there at 9 pm or so and there were tons of hot girls. oh my god! i’ve never seen so many hot girls in one place. this is the place to be seen. these girls walk around like they are on a runway. it’s amazing. they know they are hot and they like being watched. we had strong espressos that were great.
jay was a good guy. he was amazed that i had such a strong interest in the latin culture and commented my spanish was quite good. honestly, it’s not that good but conversational. i really believe you need to learn at least 15,000 – 20,000 words at a minimum to be conversational. i’m taking a spanish class at night but it’s worthless as it’s too slow and i’m way ahead of the class so i stopped going before the trip. plus, i was always out of the country so i was missing classes anyway. every week i’d make the excuse, “sorry but i was in paris or germany or costa rica”. one lady asked me if i work for the cia. ha,ha.
we people watched for a while. we decided to talk only in spanish so i could improve. we talked business and about life. we thought a lot alike. their was an age difference but most of the guys i meet are significantly older than i am. it doesn’t matter to me. i don’t have too much in common with most guys my age anyway.
i told him that his wife must be worried. at this point it’s 10:30 pm. we were going to eat there but we decided to go back and eat near our hotel. we get there and his wife is waiting at the gate. oops. i ate with him and his wife and we talked about cuba. i was drained of energy and didn’t know if i would go out. i’ve only been sleeping 3 or 4 hours a night. plus, we played racquetball all day.
i went back and we sat out and talked with rigo. i decided to take a shower and see how i feel. of course i was horny so i decided to go to flores frescas. those guys couldn’t go so i went alone. it didn’t bother me though. i like being independent. i got there around 12:30 am. it closes at 3 am on the weekends. there were a bunch of dudes and about 12 girls. most weren’t my type but there were maybe 3 hotties. this girl latched on to me and although her body appeared to be good i couldn’t really tell about her face since it’s so damn dark in there. i bought her and her friend a red bull which was 10,000 pesos each.
i was surprised that there was still a show at 1 am. the parade of girls and a lesbian show too. i noticed a lot of locals come here for the show. there was some younger columbianos there and i couldn’t believe it during the lesbo show when i saw them jerking off with their jeans on. they kind of just reached below their jeans and were jerking off. i found this hilarious and was laughing. i motioned for my girl to look and she said those guys could barely afford the 15,000 pesos entrance fee so that was the closest they’d get. oh well. poor bastards.
at this point i’m dying. i’m super tired and the red bulls aren’t helping. i figured i could probably negotiate as it was 2 am but i just told her, “vamos” (let’s go). she looked a little stunned. she said 150,000? i said sure. i paid the 70,000 exit fee and off we went. this girl didn’t have the prettiest face but she had a great body and she was great in bed. she was so energetic. i have a lot of energy in bed and she kept up and wanted more and more and more. finally she left at 3:30 am. i feel bad every night having to wake rigo up but he insists on unlocking the front gate so i have to wake him up constantly. oh well. if it doesn’t bother me it’s fine.
i emailed starfe last night asking if he’d change my ticket for me. he called early this morning. i’m not even sure what time but i couldn’t go back to sleep and here i am typing this latest update. he did manage to change it according to an email he sent me. i’m staying another week so i guess i have to deal with work later.
i’m not sure who i’m going to call today. i told 3 girls i’d do something with them. hmm. more later.
Saint
Great report so far. Brings back many familiar memories. Next time your in Flores, ask about christina for me. Small, cute girl with a great smile. Had a falling out but thats another story. I can picture you at Chippe now surrounded by the beautiful Calenas and the cerveza giraffe at the beer stand. Don't you love the way the Calenas have no inhibitions about staring you down. And those hiphuggung jeans, hmmm. I think I may have to convince Dashing Don that instead of chasing Colombianas in Curacao in a couple weeks, we ought to head right to the source. Thanks for rekindling the memories. Don't hold back on the estetica reports either, I think more guys should take advantage of those treatments. And as you already know, it is a great way to meet the locals. Especially the girls that really know how to take care of themselves. I look forward to reading more.
Slick
Starfe
Don't pull that trigger yet ! I'm in the 40- 45 age group and I can relate to all of Saints stories from having lived them myself. Actually I always felt the girls down there were more attracted to us more mature , sophisticated gentlemen.
Saint, nice reports.
I spend a lot of time in Colombia, mostly Medellin but lived in Cali for a year too. Also spend a lot of time in Venezuela.
Trust me, the chicas do not care about an age number. As a matter of fact, I'm 40 years old, my Paisa (Medellin chica) girlfriend is 23. She has girlfriends, hot chicas that ask me to please bring them 'gringos' and please no young kids ... over 40 is good.
I think as Saint as well as many have said here ... if you treat these chicas with warmth and respect you'll be paid paid back many times over.
Saint, if you like Cali, you'll love Medellin.
Suerte!
I think what he's really saying is you need to not look like you're old - what ever your age. You need to look good - whether that is mature or young. And furthermore, you need to have some rap (e.g. speak spanish) and you need to have some game/skills.
But hey, even if not, you can always enjoy the spectator side... and there's plenty of pay4play to keep you busy too.
Hopefully I didn’t get the wrong point across. Guys older than 40 will do ok. It’s just that that for the non-pro scene of the hottest girls I don’t see any out in public with guys that appear to be too old. Keep in mind I’m still a Cali rookie and just posting my honest observations as always.
I just got back from exploring the Andes Mountains. Definitely take a trip up there during the day. There are some really nice views up there. You can take a taxi up there. I heard some have to have a special permit to go up there but I’m not entirely sure I believe it. Just hire a taxi by the hour instead of running the meter. It will be cheaper. Ask to go to Kilometer 18. It’s about 35-45 minutes up the mountains from the city depending on traffic.
It’s interesting as you first approach slums then it slowly turns into mansions and big estates of what must be drug dealers.
Some might try to tell you that it’s dangerous but I doubt there is any real danger during the day. There are two main restaurants up there. Bring a light jacket or sweater because there is a vast temperature difference up there. Also, it’s high so when the clouds roll in you are in the fog of the clouds. It’s kind of cool.
I read the last kidnappings up here were about 3 years ago. The FARC just rounded up about 40 people (most were locals). They were all released after their families paid for their release. Don’t let that scare you. I heard there is a new police chief in the area and security is much better.
As far as the taxis.. Leo, I never use that card you sent me. The taxis I find are honest. Even if they add a little extra that is probably like 25 cents and to me that is nothing to argue over.
I’m so dead tired. I’m going to rest then I have a date with the first girl I saw from Flores Frescas.
Life is good.
I just got back from an interesting evening. The girl I met for dinner brought her kid with her! Anyway, I’m not exactly the father figure for kids that aren’t mine. I think I’ll be an excellent dad someday but I wasn’t expecting to have dinner with her 3 year old too. After dinner I made an excuse that I had to go meet Jay. I tried not to be obvious about it but she probably knew.
I honestly think some of these girls just want some relief from a difficult life. Sometimes I wish I won a mega lottery so I could help more people. Oh and travel more too. Hee, hee.
After I left Chipe Chopi mall I went to Kaliente because I thought the guy told me they are open on Sundays. The doorman knows me by now. I asked him how many girls were working. He told me only 2 and he said they were new. He said all the regular girls had the night off. I figured these were probably two bad girls that didn’t even want to go out on their only night off. I told him he knows my taste in girls and would I like these two girls. He shook his head no and told me he didn’t want to lie.
The funny thing is that my taxi driver was new and he couldn’t find this place. He asked some guy that was several blocks away and the kid gets on his bicycle and takes us to Kaliente. It was funny driving slow behind a kid on a bike finding this place. I thought a brief moment for all I knew he could be taking me to some place to get robbed but my taxi driver said he could be trusted. Oh well. Call me stupid. I usually don’t get nervous in foreign countries. I know I’m long overdue to get mugged or something.
After talking to the doorman at Kaliente this kid was still waiting as well as my taxi. I ask the kid if he knows anywhere else close. He said there were lots of casas but usually Americans don’t go to them. I could care less if Americans went or not. It was only a block over from Kaliente. I don’t even know the name of the place or even know if there is a name. I thought it couldn’t hurt to check it out.
I thought about hitting some normal clubs but I’m not in the mood to start some other deal till after I meet my hottie girl that I’ve been talking to. She comes back on Tuesday night.
I told the taxi driver to wait while I checked the line up. There were 8 girls. 7 of them were nasty and 1 was cute. I asked the cost of incall and outcall. Incall was 50,000 pesos an hour and outcall was 70,000 pesos an hour so needless to say cheap.
I went and paid the taxi driver and gave the kid on the bike 10,000 pesos. (5,000 pesos at Kaliente and 5,000 pesos at this other place). He was really happy. Anyway, I start sessioning with this girl and I noticed she had a tattoo which is a big turn off for me. She had a really pretty face though and was affectionate so that was cool. It was a good session. There was no hot water there just like none at Kaliente so I decided to take a shower when I came home. It’s semi-early at 11:30 PM but it’s Sunday so I think I’ll rest up. I’m not sure what I’ll do tomorrow. I’ve had very little downtime since arriving.
There isn’t too much to do in Cali during the day. I’ve been taking the time to sightsee. I really enjoyed driving in the mountains today to Kilometer 18 area. Some of the views were really striking with the Andes Mountains and the mist of fog with all the houses and the city below. I’ve been fortunate this year to see so many wonderful sights the past two years.
Sorry to all those emailing me in my inbox asking questions. I don’t have time to answer them now but I’ll try once I get next week. One dude asked me if Cali was worth hitting besides the girls. That is a difficult question to answer. It depends on what kind of person you are. Personally I hear that Medellin and Bogota and Cartegena are more beautiful cities but I doubt the people can be as friendly as these Calenos.
The city as I mentioned several times isn’t beautiful. The people are the biggest asset here. I had a taxi driver from Bogota today. He told me that he adores Cali. He prefers it over Bogota because the people are very nice here. He said that in Bogota it’s such a bigger city so people are distrustful of one another. Here everyone pretty much gets along.
I’m thinking about getting on a plane tomorrow and hitting Medellin but I’m afraid I’ll like it so much that I don’t come back to Cali in time to hook up with my girl. A big part of the reason I extended was to spend some time with her. We’ll see what happens.
I will caution that you might not want to rush down here. Just because the majority of the girls are better looking than Argentina or Brazil doesn't mean you'll be sleeping with them. My comment about the good looking girls is true but there are good looking girls in other cities around the world to hobby with. The best thing about Cali is the people as I mentioned many times throughout my report. Also, the city isn't beautiful.
If you notice I've been doing more non-hobby stuff than hobby stuff. Even with all the hotties I'm only sessioning once maybe twice a day. I've been keeping busy just exploring the city and walking around the malls and stuff. I truly enjoy interacting with the locals. I wish I was fluent though. :(
Many are emailing me asking about hotels. I usually try to stay in very nice accomodations/hotels. I heard the Intercontinental is a good choice but I heard lately they were having some issues with bringing in girls. I don't think it's too expensive at around $75 a night. However, I heard and read so many great things about Rigo and I wanted a traditional experience in Cali that I booked a room at his hotel. I don't regret it. The only negative I have is the pillows are bad and I'm not sleeping well. The website address is http://www.calihotel.com. His email address is calihotel@hotmail.com Tell him Saint sent you.
As mentioned by me and others. The non-pro scene isn't going to be for everyone. Again, I walked around the mall yesterday and last night. I still don't see any of the super hotties with older dudes. They might have them on the side but I sure don't see them around. Also, there aren't too many Americans here.
The heat hasn't been too bad. I imagine it can get very hot and humid though. I only wore shorts one day because NO locals wear shorts at all. Jay from Cuba has been wearing shorts everyday though. It was refreshing going into the cold mountain air yesterday.
Cali like many other cities in South and Central America has danger but it is nothing like the State Department portrays it. There are still lots of drug lords. The only difference is now they are quiet and not splashy. Before they liked attention. (kind of like John Gotti). Now they are quiet and just want to make their money undisturbed.
I woke up early today again. I'm going to go get a massage and maybe a steam then go to a casa or the mall. I'm tempted to go to Medellin. We'll see.
P.S. Starfe. You probably are the one guy that knows me better than anyone in the world now. I honestly like helping people. If they ever make a position of Ambassador of Love for the UN can I use you as a reference? Have fun in Asia amigo!
Saint--
Wonderful series of reports. The best on the entire site.
Enjoy the rest of the trip.
LA Larry
Ferolga777
03-01-04, 20:03
Thank you, Saint, for your generous reporting. I am glad that you enjoyed Colombia so much and that no really bad experiences happened to you.
Cheers,
Ferolga
Saint,
Great reports. I don't know if I missed it but when you have a chance can you post the name or the address where you get the manicures and massages.
Thanks
Ok. I've had a pretty busy day so far. I just stopped home to shower. I woke up then walked around Avenida Sexta where there are lots of restaurants, shops and cafes. It's not particularly a beautiful street like most of the city but it's interesting.
Then went to Chipi Chope to hit an internet cafe. I have internet access all the time. That's how I can post so frequently. I think Rigo was smart because he put a laptop in my room that is always on. It's dial up so not too fast but easy to log on and give updates.
Here are some hints before I forget. GSM service is new and just started last year. You can't buy a SIM card at the stores but it's probably possible from someone. I'm not here long enough to need to buy one. Rigo has old bigger style cellphones you can use for free. You just have to buy refillable credits (like Brazil) at the store. FYI. The company is BellSouth. My AT&T GSM phone does work here and I used it a few times to call my office. I'm not sure the rates but I bet expensive. You can buy relatively inexpensive calling cards at the store to use in the payphones or use an internet cafe cabina.
The internet cafe at Chipe Chopi is called Matrix. It is all the way in the back then go left. You can't miss it. Just ask if you can't find it.
The taxis are all friendly. Try to at least round up or tip them like a 1,000 peso note. I'm always generous and I think it bodes well for future Americans that visit. Don't be an ugly American and treat these girls as well as the people in general with respect and dignity. Not many Americans are here so if you're a loud, obnoxious, drunk ass then they will remember it and maybe not be so kind to the next American that visits. You want to leave them with the impression. "How thoughtful and polite American tourists are".
Food is cheap. I find the restaurants aren't as nice or plentiful as in places like Buenos Aires but the quality of food is quite good. You won't have a problem finding what you want.
After Chipe Chopi I had my daily massage appointment. First I decided to get a facial. It was nice. Not cheap for Cali standards at 60,000 pesos but in the USA it is quite pricey for a good one. There are tons of esteticas or salons so you won't have a problem finding one. I'm sure they are all pretty decent. Again, I spotted several guys getting manicures/pedicures. They also have several stylists to cut your hair if you need it. I'm sure you can get an old-fashioned style shave in most too.
It was nice that my masseuse told me that my hottie was talking about me. I hope extending will be worth it.
Also, remember not to slam taxi doors. Keep in mind them paying off their taxis is equivalent to us paying off our mortgages on our homes. The taxis aren't cheap here and most are paying them off on loan installments. The interest rates can be as high as 30% so remember to treat their cars with respect. You wouldn't want someone shitting on the side of your house would you?
I just showered and I'm going to hit a casa for some afternoon action. Later fellas.
Saint
Another good afternoon under my belt. In the name of research for you deviants I decided to check out some casas while I’m here this week. First I went to Uni-centro Mall to possibly do some shopping. I just don’t find the clothes to be that good here for men. Shoes appear to be a good buy though. I might buy some this week.
A dude from WSG gave me the name of his amiga that works at one of the stores. I went to go say hi to her. She is a totally cute and sweet girl. It was cute how she had this paper of English phrases. I guess she is studying English which I really admire. I was going to leave but she wanted to talk some more. I ordered a Lemonade then we talked for about an hour. I asked her if she had any pretty friends for me. She said yes but that they weren’t available now?? Oh well. She ended up giving me her phone number so I’ll try to hook up with her friends. I asked her what her status is with this dude. Amigo, novio, etc. She told me to ask him.
I walked around some and I got 2 phone numbers of these cute girls. It’s relatively easy to get phone numbers here if you can communicate with them. Usually I start out pretending like I’m looking for a store or something. Then I ask them if they are a Calena. Then some other stuff. I tell them how beautiful they are (which they love hearing). Then just ask them for a phone number. So far, I haven’t been turned down yet.
Then I decided to hit some casas. First I went to Faraon but it was closed. The guy told me they don’t open till 7 PM. A few casas down on the same block is Doctor of Love (Doctor de Amor). Some dude on WSG posted it was called La Clinica but he was wrong. The address is Calle 2 Norte #23 N37. It is right down from Faraon. You can’t miss Faraon because there is a big sign. Also, my taxi driver that was young told me that Faraon had hot girls so I’ll try to check it out for you horndogs this week.
Anyway, I get to Doctor de Amor. I have my backpack of course with my camera and stuff. The guy says I can’t take it in. I had my Ipod and my camera and a bunch of other expensive stuff. I was nervous but I kept it with him. Then I get in this room. When you walk in there is a huge room with couches and chairs. There were tons of dudes sitting around. Of course I was the only tourist. No matter, as I mentioned people here don’t treat tourists any differently. I was surprised how many dudes there were waiting. Maybe 12 of them. Anyway, they do the line up and the girls aren’t so good. The guy told me there was 25 girls but only about 10 came through the line up. All the other girls were busy in rooms.
That’s the reason why so many guys were waiting. I guess mostly locals come here and some guys have their favorite girls. So what do they do? They wait for them! 9 out of the 10 girls were horrible. If you like “thick”girls then you might like this place. I did see one cute girl. I inquired about prices with the manager and he said it’s 25,000 pesos (that is less than $10) or one hour on-site for 34,000 pesos ($13) Yes, you read that right.
It’s not private. It’s kind of weird making your selection and talking with your girl in front of like 15 guys. Oh well. I wanted to see how the quality of session was so I picked this girl. However, I told the manager I would leave if I couldn’t have my backpack with me. They immediately gave it back to me. I talked to her and she seemed sweet. She wasn’t gorgeous but not ugly either. You go to a cashier at a window labeled “Caja” (cashier). You pay her then she gives you a towel.
To tell you how busy it was almost every room that she knocked on was already busy. There are 15 bedrooms in this place. She told me they are pretty big. There is also another house 2 doors down that they only utilize for the bedrooms. All of them were busy too! She gave me the option of waiting or sessioning in a small room equivalent to a Luomo cabina in Rio. I asked to see it and it was fine. There was a mirror on the wall which I like to view during session.
This girl was very sweet and funny. When she went for the BJ she was going to do it with a condom. Here is some advice for those of you that don’t travel to Latin America that much. You can ask the girl, “Mi amor, por favor... puede chupar sin condom?”( Mi love, please.. can you suck without a condom”. My average is like 90% for getting BBBJ when asking. This girl asked if I could give her a tip. I asked her how much and she just said whatever I could afford. Almost all the girls here would have given a CBJ but I asked nicely and almost all of them do it. Not a problem. Same thing in Rio and BA or wherever I go.
Ok, be careful here. You know how it all is. It’s easy to get carried away. A few times here I’ll be on top in the groove grinding on them without a condom. Sometimes it might slip in. You have to understand if they let you go bare back that means they’ve let others so be careful. This girl and I were grinding and she asked if I wanted to use a condom. Of course I said yes. The sex was awesome. Again, she isn’t my dream type girl. I like a girl with a model quality face but she was cute and her body was decent. She was getting so wet! She actually had to get a towel and wipe up. It didn’t bother me.
We went hard and heavy for 40 minutes and I climaxed. We showered and get this. I swear to God she asked me if I wouldn’t mind going another round. I said I was tired and she was disappointed. I started putting on my clothes and she asked again. Please. Sh*t. How could I say no? We went another round. Sweet girl from one of the smaller cities. We showered again in COLD water then I got dressed.
I asked her to call a taxi and I had to do the walk of shame in front of all those Latin dudes. I had to wait about 10 minutes for the taxi when I finally got tired of waiting and went outside. This isn’t in the best area so use judgement walking around at night. I just got home and it’s dark out now as it’s almost 8 PM here. I asked one of the guys outside to go flag me down a taxi. He looked reluctant until I gave him a $1 US. He looked at it like it was a gold brick. I don’t think these guys make jack. I also gave my girl a 20,000 peso tip and she was very appreciative. I doubt these locals tip much. My girl told me it was so crowded because it is payday for the majority here.
I’m going to go eat at this neighborhood restaurant a few doors down. I went there the other night. A steak, salad, french fries was 11,000 pesos ($4). I’m gonna shower again after that then probably head to Flores Fresca or another new spot in the name of research. Later.
P.S. I did get pictures of the girl from Doctor of Love. She covered her face but you can see her body. I'll post later. I have lots of pictures.
P.S.S. I posted the following post on another Discussion board but I'll copy and paste here for reference. Guys keep emailing me asking if it's safe.
Guys. Get the dangerous Columbia notion out of your head. I'm serious. I totally stick out like a sore thumb and you know what? I like it. The Columbianas give me extra attention. Almost all of them have told me that I'm so handsome. Do you think I'd get this kind of treatment if I was a Latino? Hell no.
I'm not saying Columbia isn't a dangerous place. I'm just saying that for the average tourist that is only down here for a week or so your risks are so minimal unless you're being stupid.
Cali isn't like Bogota from what the locals tell me. Bogota is so big that people are mistrustful. If you can't tell from my reports, I really make it an effort to get to know the locals. Their customs. I go into most of the various neighborhoods so I can get a sense of what life here is like.
I'm not saying it's guaranteed that nothing will happen to you here. There are no guarantees in life. I swear, some guys I meet have a sign on their forehead that say, "Rob me". I'm not one of those guys. I walk around with a confident look on my face and that is a lot in itself in Latin America. Thieves and other losers can smell fear and ignorance. Again, I'm not saying that I won't get mugged. All I'm doing is giving you a layman's observations of this city. I don't claim to be an expert on anything. I'm just a simple guy that likes to travel.
Get the drug lord notion out of your head. Repeat after me.... Cali is safe if you're not stupid and use common sense. I've been walking around at night alone. People have been nothing but friendly always offering help or directions. I've never met a group of friendlier people.
I refuse to use a paid guide. Hell, I still can't believe guys pay someone to hold their hand to take them around to the termas in Rio. Guys expect Rio to be some scene out of City of God. That just isn't the case. Sure there are dangerous areas but there are in my city back home too. However, if you speak little to no Spanish it would be a good investment to have a bilingual guide. Safety in numbers principle might be good here. I don't know. I've had no problems.
Call me the adventurous type but I'm just not scared if there is no reason to be.
I just spent the last few hours with the hottie from Flores Fresca. I’ve never met a girl so sweet. She honestly is very sincere. I gave her more money then I paid last time and she left the money behind on the desk. I was going to post more pictures here of here but I would feel too guilty now after getting to know her. Maybe if I didn’t get to know her so personally I wouldn’t care but still. I have another date with her tomorrow at Chipi Chope.
She claims to have never DFK a client before. Something tells me that’s true. Who knows if it’s the truth or not but I did talk to about 5 guys here that said that she never kissed them on the mouth and they called her “frio”. Quite the opposite with me. Anyway, she told me her friend is married to an American. Her friend is 24 and her American husband is 49 so I guess you can forget what I told you about getting a younger hottie.
I asked if the girl was really in love or just doing it for the green card. She has no reason to lie since her friend doesn’t work in the clubs and I never met her before. Her friend met this dude on the internet so I guess there is hope for internet dating with these Latinas. She also told me about some American dude that is only 25 years old that travels down here for work. She said he’s a good dude and has left with her twice and not even had sex but given her money. Dude if you are reading this know that she thinks you’re such a nice guy and you sound like it to me too.
I’ve been with enough of these girls to know the BSérs from the real sweethearts. She is definitely one of the good ones...
I went to Flores Fresca early at around 9:30 PM. It was dead with only around 12 girls and about 7 guys. Most of the guys were only there to look although there were about 2 other Americans. I sat next to an American guy that was with a guide named Ramone. I think I read about him before on WSG. He’s a totally cool guy that is fluent in English. He’s funny as shit too. There is this hottie girl there with an innocent face and he was heart broken that she was one of the ones in the lesbian show. Her face looked really innocent up until the moment she put the strap on dildo on and started banging the other girl on stage. Oh well. I kept joking his girl is cheating on him. He was cool to tell me the names of two other clubs in South Cali that he said are equally as good but cheaper. I’ll check them out tomorrow after my date. One was called Tangas Club. The other is Dinas Club (?-can’t read his writing). Address reads Calle 5 con 66 Amazonas. He said it's 20 minutes outside of the city. The other address is JD con Paso Ancho.
Anyway, my non-pro hottie gets back tomorrow from Bogota. I found out today what she is doing in Bogota. She is in the final stages of receiving her papers for a visa to visit USA! She mentioned it to me but I didn’t know she was going to Bogota for that. I guess if it goes through I can fly her in. We’ll see how that goes.
I’m going to go shower for the 4th time today then write some stuff in my personal journal that I hand write in. They have these cool waterproof journals that you can buy. I keep a journal in addition to these typed reports. It’s kind of interesting to go back and read them sometimes. Goodnight fellas.
Senor Saint ... again nice reports.
I think because you've traveled quite a bit and you speak Spanish, your experience in Cali is 'easygoing'.
Imagine some of those gringos from the Costa Rica, 'Gringo Gulch' crowd hanging around Cali ... they wouldn't quite get the same reception as you're getting.
To you it's easy ... to others, trust me ... wouldn't quite be the same.
Yes, anyone can run to the casas and get laid, but, the extra experiences you're having is because of your experience and spanish skills.
Trust me ... I've seen guys miserable because they wanted more than just 'puta' pussy but couldn't communicate.
Suerte!
Ricker,
NO doubt you are 100% correct. I thought I emphasized it enough in my report that speaking conversational Spanish is very key here to enjoy the extra benefits. I CAN'T imagine the gringo gulch type here. I hated CR for the fact that many of the guys looked like degenerates. Many were loud, drunk and obnoxious. Many bragged to have been going down to CR for years yet couldn't even learn some basic Spanish. If you speak little to no Spanish you won't have a good time here. To get the full experience of any country you have to be able to communicate. It's especially true here as there are less people that speak English than any place in Latin America I've visited.
If some of the CR guys were here acting like they act in the Blue Marlin then they probably would get mugged, beaten or worse here. This is NOT the place to be loud and obnoxious. These people are pleasant but up to a point I think. I haven't even seen that many Americans. I did talk to a guy last night that was a cool dude. He was mild and reserved like me. There was another American in the club and he was the same way. Any dudes that come here after a while know how to behave. Hell, any dude should have the common sense to know not to act that way in a foreign country.
Another thing I noticed is even though there are foreign tourists here they aren't a novelty. People don't stare at you like other country. People here seem to treat everyone as equals unless they are given a reason not to.
Cali isn't going to be for everyone. For me it's been a dream vacation. I don't have enough hours in the day to get all I want done. My experience last night was unreal with that hottie. I'm meeting her today for dinner.
The thing that sucks with the pros is most of them have to work everyday except Sundays. On Sundays since they are gone all week they have to spend it with their families. Many of these girls have kids and it's the only day to spend with their families.
Ricker is 100% correct that your experiences probably won't mirror mine. I've been having just as much fun with the non-pro stuff then the pro stuff. Please have realistic expectations when arriving here.
On the downside, I ate something bad last night and I've had bad diarrea all night. At least I haven't been throwing up but still. I think I've lost every bit of liquid in my body. I gotta go shower and drink lots of Gatorade. I'm still not sleeping well but hasn't slowed me down yet.
If I haven't emphasized it enough...take care of yourself. I think no matter your age if you take care of yourself then that is what counts. Some girls like older guys and some don't. My hottie last night said lots of her friends like older guys because of their ability of stability. She again called the guys here Perros. Many girls like older guys because it represents safety and stability.
One thing I have never scrimped on is clothes and shoes. Remember you never get a 2nd chance to make a first impression in life. NO different with these girls. Dress nice. Also, take care of your face and body. I have been using lotion on my body since I was in high school. It makes a big difference. Yeah, it's kind of wussy huh? But the girls always comment on it.
Also, use high end products like Zirh. They have several face stuff. They have this stuff in a series called Correct, Protect, Restore, Clean. They are by far the best product on the market. I noticed a difference after the first few months using it. It will take years off your face. It can be found in any type of nicer store like Foley's, Macy's, etc. I probably spend about $120 a month on all their stuff and it works great.
Another funny story. In one of the taxis yesterday I was shooting the shit with my taxi driver. A young dude. I was telling him how hot all these girls are. He agreed. Then I told him that all the Calenas called them dogs (perros). He had this surprised look on his face and was like, "QUE!!"(WHAT??). I told him that if I lived here I would be labled a dog too. He was still pissed but then eventually laughing. He was saying how the guys wouldn't be dogs if all the hotties weren't offering it up to them. He said many hotties know that these guys are married or have girlfriends and they don't care. He called the girls dogs too. It was comical.
Jaimito Cartero
03-02-04, 16:04
Saint - Nice reports as usual. I do think $120 a month is a bit much to spend on lotion though. Brings on Michael Jackson thoughts. Don't want to start calling you "rubba". ;)
I'm glad you went to some of the normal places. It seems you usually go only to high end places that for an extended period would be out of my price range.
I'm hoping to spend a week or two in Colombia later this year. It usually seems to be a comparison of Cali and Medellin. Like Nicaragua, I think that Colombia has many tourists frightened. I think if you are careful and not stupid you'll go far.
I'd be a bit nervous about carrying around so much high dollar equipment though. On my trip to Malaysia and Thailand last month, I only had my $900 Nikon with me, and it was a pain to carry my camera bag around. I much prefer a small digital camera that just slips in my pocket.
I'm looking forward to your photos - I'm not sure if you've posted them in the Photo section or not. I'll check them out.
Jaimito,
The $120 is not just on "lotion". It´s on hair gel, shaving cream, shampoo, conditioner, cleaners, lotions, etc. There is a huge product line from Zirh. Yeah, it´s a lot but isn´t investing in yourself worth it? Ha, ha.
I usually do only hit higher end places but I have my reporter cap on. I want to get a sense of what is out there. I´m hitting most parts of the city.
I´m at ChipiChope now waiting for my Peptol Bismul to kick in. I´ve been pissing out of my ass for the past 6 hours or so. This is the first time I´ve been sick in all my travels. I´m starting to hit the wall a little because of the lack of sleep.
As far as the expensive stuff. It´s all in my backpack so no one knows what I have. Even my Ipod is in my backpack. The Swiss Army backpacks have a hole for earphone wires. Many of the younger crowd here have bags or backpacks so no one knows what´s in mine. As I posted before. I´m long overdue to get mugged so maybe this trip. I´m here until Friday night unless I extend again.
I might rest up today. I´m meeting one of my girls at 5:30 PM here at ChipiChope to have dinner before she goes to work. Then I have to try to hook up with my normal girl tonight but she doesn´t arrive back from Bogota until late at night so maybe I´ll try one of those other clubs in South Cali. Later.
Saint
First off, thanks Saint for the reports. Now, just so I can put it out there. I JUST got back Avianca and priced my ticket to Cali. I am leaving March 16 and will return March 21. The roundtrip ticket is going to run me $296. Considering I am buying in 2 weeks in advance, that isnt to bad. Another thing, I am currently in Panama City, Panama so obvioulsy the ticket is going to be a bit cheaper. Well fellas, if anyone is going to be Cali those days let me know. March 16-March 21. And thanks to all the good insight on this board I think I will be staying at the Cali hotel. Anyhow just updating you dudes.
PS-Saint I checked out your pics in the photo Gallery, I love the brown skin one that has her back to the camera.
I just met AntiFreeze from this board and his wife too. A really cool guy that is super funny. He and his wife seem very content with their life here. He moved here about 6 years ago. He read all my posts and he PMéd me. He was astonished that he agreed with just about everything I wrote about Cali. If you're reading this Antifreeze, I hope we have the chance to hook up again. If not, buenas suerte. I'm sure I'll be in Cali again so I'm sure we'll hook up again.
I read on the general discussion section on another board how guys are talking about the dangers. Maybe I mis-spoke when I said it's "perfectly safe". Columbia can't be categorized that way I guess, but I will say that in all my journeys I find Cali no more dangerous than Rio or a handful of other cities.
I'd actually like to hear from guys that have actually been to or lived in Cali or Columbia instead of all the guys that only read State Department warnings. I just talked to my girl. Going out tonight. I hope my stomache gets better soon.
" Hope stomache gets better soon. "
From an older guy to a younger guy, see a DR if you have cramps with those runs asap. Take Tums along with your medicine and for god's sake " get some rest ".
starfe
Saint,
I’ve been using Zirh aftershave for 2 yrs. Fantastic since it’s non-alcoholic. I keep it refrigerated after saleswoman’s recommendation. Some extract ingredients are ginseng, echinacea, slippery bark, plantain, aloe vera, sea kelp plus chemical substances.
Guys, be careful what you eat f.ex. salads or lettuce washed in water. Take precautionary measures. Drink bottled water and brush your teeth with bottled water. DATY only when freshly cleansed, right? (S).
4½ weeks until departure for CTG.
Ok. It was bound to happen. I officially hit the wall tonight. I feel terrible. I was on another date with the total hottie from FF. She is so sweet. We had some beers, walked around and I did the "shopping mall" test with girls I normally do. I see if they ask to buy them anything. Get this. I noticed her birthday was coming up in a few weeks on her ID so I told her I wanted to buy her a pair of jeans. We went into 3 stores and she told me to save my money. She didn't buy anything! We're talking about $70 jeans even in Cali in the high end stores. Oh well.
We went to eat at a Parillia but I was feeling so aweful. Not only did my stomache hurt but I started getting a migraine headache. Í mean I feel so sick that if she was naked and attacked me I'd have to turn her down. That's how bad I feel. I told her that I didn't sleep last night (which is true) and that I ate something bad. She asked if I wanted to buy her way out of the club (70,000 pesos) and she would stay with me. I am dead, sick and not to mention that I had to call my non-pro girl that got back tonight. At dinner she was showing me pictures of all her family (sisters, brother, son, mom,dad). I think they do this once you build a rapport and some trust with them.
Shit. So I drop her off at work and we make out a bit. She told me to call tomorrow. Meanwhile I'm dying on the way home in the taxi thinking I'm going to puke. I get to the gate and Rigo tells me that non-pro hottie called me and that I needed to get ready. I told him I was sick and dead. I did talk to her and we talked for 35 minutes. She wanted to do something tonight but I just can't move. We are meeting for lunch tomorrow and maybe tomorrow night. We'll see how lunch goes. But on the phone she already told me that she wants me to meet her parents! We'll see how it goes. She's a totally sweet and gorgeous girl.
Anyway, that means I can't meet your amiga FLHobbyer tomorrow as I was supposed to. Not enough hours in the day. I hope I don't feel like dogshit tomorrow because I want to make a good impression on my amor.
I'm dying. I'm going to try to get some rest. Tomorrow is either going to be the greatest of all days or it's going to be crap with me being sick. Pray for me gents.
PanamaJack
03-03-04, 09:14
SAINT,
Great reports it really does bring back some great memories of what cali was like when I was there about a 1 year ago. You know what they say in cali "las caleñas son como las flores", I've yet to meet girls that are as beautiful and nice as the caleñas. thanks for sharing your experience.
Saint,
Your doing a great job on your reports. I was on another board a couple of years ago but that turned into a Flame/B.S forum and I have not been into forums since. I should really thank everyone Antifreeze, Frijole, Simple Man + many others for some really great info.
I did wake up with a full recovery. I think I just needed to get a few good hours of sleep. I feel fresh and I'm meeting my sweetie pie at 3 PM when she has her break from work.
I can't emphasize enough how good of a guy Rigo is at the Hostel I'm staying. There are nicer accomodations in Cali. In fact, I usually try to stay at the nicest places in town when I travel since I have a difficult time sleeping. There are many untold benefits of using Rigo. First of all he goes the extra mile to help you and he asks for nothing in return. I was sending roses to my girl today and I wrote out a letter. My Spanish is decent but there were still mistakes. Rigo took the time to correct them and printed the letter out for me. He also arranged to have them delivered.
He is a genuinely friendly guy and he gets the Saint seal of approval. I'd highly recommend him if you're coming to Cali. http://www.calihotel.com calihotel@hotmail.com
I was supposed to meet FLHobbyist's amiga at noon but I had to reschedule because I'm meeting my Flores Fresca girl. Funny she just called now and I'll meet her after 5 PM. So I'm meeting FF girl at noon, then going directly to meet non-pro hottie girl, then going to meet FLHobbyist's amiga. It will be a long day. Plus, I'll do something with one of the girl's tonight. Probably the non-pro girl. I'm sure the flowers will be a big hit.
I'm going to go to ChipiChope to walk around some and enjoy the day. Life is good.
Jaimito Cartero
03-03-04, 19:16
Saint - Glad to hear you're doing better. Sometimes a good nights rest lets your body recover. What's the rate at Rigo's place? I always prefer to stay at a smaller place as long as the rooms are nice. Personal service is great.
CaptainNemo
03-03-04, 21:14
Saint: Great report. I hope you find whatever you are looking for from the non-pro girl.
I (and many on this board) am waiting for the conclusion between you and the non-pro girl.
Damn. I just had the best date of my life. I met with my non-pro girl for our date. We spent two hours together laughing, talking, eating and getting to know one another. She is the type of girl that I could retire from hobbying from. Understand that I´m the type of guy that really has a lot of confidence. There isn´t a girl in the USA that I don´t feel I couldn´t get if I wanted. Many guys tell me that if I keep this hobbying up I won´t be able to be happy with an American girl. What they don´t realize is that I don´t want an American girl!
I´m meeting her again tonight and going to her house to pick her up. I´m meeting her parents. She is just a simple girl. She doesn´t like going to the clubs/bars, prefers to stay at home, has a big heart and is as beautiful as they come on the inside and outside. I´ve met a lot of beautiful girls in my life but she might be the most beautiful one. I do prefer them a little older (she is only 19) but looks like 23 or so.
I think I was totally wrong about the girls here dating older guys. They must date guys much older than me because everyone keeps telling me how young I am. The club girls must have older novios.
Everyday I´m here I have a deeper respect for their way of life here. There is a simplistic way of life here that I really admire. They treat people like a member of their family. I can´t tell you how nice the people are are with the few tourists that are here. Every single taxi driver has been so nice to me. Most give me their phone numbers inviting me to use them again anytime I need to. I do tip them and they really seem to appreciate it as the locals probably can´t afford to tip them. Again, I think the nicer Americans are with them it bodes well for future American visitors. Treat these people right and they will treat you right.
Americans often travel around with the attitude that we are the best in the world. That isn´t right. Not everyone envies us. In fact, I envy the way of life here and the respect that these people seem to have for one another.
I feel great! I´m here at ChipiChope waiting on the amiga of one of the dudes from WSG. We are meeting for a drink.
Life is great!
Saint
Damn. Today could very well have been the busiest day I’ve ever had in my life. I had a lunch date then another lunch date with my non-pro girl then I just spent the past 3 hours with the amiga of this dude from WSG. One thing is becoming very evident to me. Don’t come here for the pro girls or to hobby. Come here for the normal girls. This is THE place to come if you want to fall in love with a normal, beautiful girl. The hobby girls aren’t the ideal ones to fall in love with. It’s too difficult dealing with their past.
Dude from WSG, your girl is amazing. I talked you up a lot! You can’t meet that kind of girl in America. Hell, you can’t meet that kind of girl anywhere in the world. She is so beautiful on the outside but more so in the inside. I’m so proud of her for learning English. NO ONE here speaks English. There are not many tourists here so people in restaurants, taxi drivers, stores don’t have a need to learn like the other countries I’ve been to. The only one that speaks English that I came across is Rigo. I really think you’re foolish if you don’t try for something with this girl.
I can honestly tell you that I was in no way hitting on her. In fact, I constantly kept talking about you. I also told her that I met a girl that I really liked and was meeting her family tonight. Still, I gotta admit it was pretty damn romantic looking back. Again, please know I'm not the type of guy to hit on another guy's amiga/novia. I wasn't so know that.
I would have talked to her longer but I looked at the time and I noticed I have a date with my non-pro girl. I just got out of the shower and I’m waiting on my taxi. I’m meeting her family tonight. The amiga of the WSGér is learning English. It was so cute how we were doing English lessons. I was so impressed by her wanting to learn that I gave her my $100 English/Spanish electronic dictionary that conjugates words too. She loved it! She couldn’t believe that I gave it to her as a gift. Then she asked me about music so I whipped out my Ipod and we listened to songs in English while I translated. We were sitting at Reggae Pop (a little bar stand that usually a younger hip crowd goes to). One earphone was in my ear and the other in hers and she wanted me to translate songs so I was translating Dido and Sade songs to her.
I really have no desire to hobby. The normal girl scene is what’s great about Cali. I think I could fall in love every day here. The normal girls are so nice. Hell, I don’t even have a desire to hang out with the hot Flores Fresca girl. Why hang out with a pro girl when you can hang out with a sweet flower. The girls here are amazing. I can’t say enough great things about the people here.
Guys, if you can speak Spanish and you want to meet a nice, untarnished flower then I highly recommend you visit Cali. After experiencing it I just think there is no better place in the world to fall in love, meet beautiful and genuine girls. Now I know why Antifreeze moved here.
Anyway, I gotta run. The only dangerous thing about Cali is it WILL make you settle down. If it makes me have the desire never to hobby again. Imagine what it will do for you?????
Guys, and especially you Saint, there is an American Airlines office in the Hotel InterContinental building (around side towards the casino) if you need to extend your trips :)
Colombia has some great Bargains,
Today I was at ChipiChope near the Reggae Pop bar and this hot Calena comes up to me. She offers to sell me a English/Spanish electronic dictionary for $25.00, I offered her $15.00 and she took it! That must be over $100 in the States!
Just messing with you Saint. Keep up the reports, At least hit a casa for 30 mins :)
My oh my,
Yes I was there when the other forum member met this wonderful girl at the ice cream stand . Has he been back to see her in the past 9 months, I don't know. I hope so if she is as wonderful as Saint portrays.
The same holds true for the girl Saint met at the Estetica. Beautiful girl, meeting the family, gorgeous, intelligent, so what next ? Commitment, Retirement from the hobby, Denial, Rejection, who knows ? The board members I have personally met while all well heeled and professional, run the gamut from the true hunter to the hopeless romantic.
The aforementioned questions remain to be answered, for it is a fine line, or merely semantics, that separates us from the local men that have screwed these girls over in the past. As one who leans toward the romantic right wing, I can say it's not such a bad dilemma to be in, but I think I'll sit back and watch this one play itself out. It is a wonderful thing to recognize the innocence , charm and immense beauty in these Colombian women, but as Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner in The Untouchables, " What are you prepared to do about it ?". Only time will tell.
As for me, I'm checking airfares and schedules to Medellin for the upcoming weeks. My memories have been sufficiently rekindled.
Later,
Slick
Ok guys. I'm just home to grab more money then I'm out the door. I just went to dinner with my new novia and her family. I was a big hit at dinner. Damn it helps that I could talk to them. I was cracking jokes and I have another date tomorrow and I invited her younger brother to come with us with his girlfriend. Her family was so blown away by this gesture. Her brother loved me. She loved the flowers I sent her today. Her mom commented to me that she thought I was perfect for her daughter.
I'm going to try to hit some other clubs in the name of research. Damn I wish my girl was here with me now but I guess it was tough leaving with her since her family was there. I didn't dare ask her to come back with me. A meal with tip for me, her and 4 of her family members was 220,000 pesos with a generous tip. I had the restaurant call 2 taxis. One for me and one for her family. I paid the taxi driver 20,000 pesos and told him to take out a 3,000 tip and give the change to her family when they got to their destination. They were also blown away by this gesture.
Anyway, I'll try to hit Tangas and some other places. If they suck I'll go back to Flores Fresca.
Definitely practice your Spanish before coming here. If you can speak spanish and are respectful with these girls I can't imagine not getting a girlfriend. I've been getting phone numbers left and right from non-pros and I really stopped trying after I met my non-pro girl. I'm going out. Please don't get the wrong idea. I'm not saying it's automatic. You have to know the kind of guy I am. I think I'm charismatic and a dynamic person (at least that is what everyone tells me), I'm very outgoing and I'm not shy in the least. I communicate and read people pretty well so I can see what makes them tick. These have served me very well in business as well as life.
I've always had good luck with girls outside of the hobby and in the hobby. Still, I haven't felt like how Cali is making me feel before. More later.
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Sh*t! I guess there is a first time for everything. I just got done sessioning with a girl and I was closing my eyes thinking about my non-pro girl. Is that equivalent to going to a pro and thinking about your wife???
Oh well.. I went to try Tangas Club and it sucked!!! That Ramone guy told me that it was good. You can scratch it off your list. It's in South Cali about a 15 minute taxi ride. The area looks kind of rough so I wouldn't walk around at night in this area. I'm a pretty brave guy but didn't do any walking around in this area. Most of these types of clubs have 1-3 guys sitting downstairs shooting the shit. They will all frisk you to see if you have a gun (I guess in itself tells you something about Columbia??). I'm not sure. Also, I will mention one of my girls I met her boyfriend was murdered so that was a first for me too.
Anyway, Tangas has all fat girls. There is no cover fee and there shouldn't be. You walk up 2 flights of stairs and you see a bunch of locals. The girls are sitting around and the manager yelled for them to introduce themselves to me. I told him he didn't have to as all the girls were slobs anyway. I ordered a coke just to see how much it was. It was 2,000 pesos. I took one sip of it then left.
This is an area I didn't see a lot of taxis in. Always ask them to call you a taxi. I forgot upstairs but I paid the guys downstairs to flag me one down.
I was going to stay home. I can't really get my mind off my non-pro girl. Anyway, I went to Flores Fresca. There were a few cuties there. I ordered a Red Bull but was still thinking about my girl so I left. Then I was going to come back home when I asked myself, "what the hell are you doing??". I decided to go to Kaliente to see if that would change my mood.
I went to Kaliente and there must be a HUGE pool of girls because they had 12 girls working and every single one of them was different than all the girls I've seen the previous days. There was a cute girl in the line up. Not gorgeous but she had a cute face. I paid the 180,000 pesos to pull her out for 3 hours. After two hours I told her she could go because I was tired. She didn't appear to want to leave. You have to understand all they do at Kaliente is all share a room with other girls. It's not the best of circumstances.
Also, remember this ain't some places like Brazil and Argentina where these girls are making a fortune. Even the hottest Flores Fresca girl will max out at $1,000 US per month on her very best month working 6 days a week. Some of the girls in Buenos Aires or Rio can make that in a few nights. Cali isn't a high volume place and I doubt if it ever will be.
Anyway, as I mentioned the entire time sessioning I closed my eyes and was thinking about my girl. I didn't even kiss this girl. She tried a few times. What does that say about me?? Sh*t.
Oh well. I have another lunch date with my girl and then a dinner date with her. FLHobbyer's girl asked if I would stop by and say hi to her tomorrow. I'm not sure I'll be in that neck of the woods but I will if I'm there.
It's been an interesting few years and a multitude of countries for me. This is the first time I've felt quite like this. We will see what happens. I did find it interesting that these Columbians need a visa to visit practically everywhere. No countries trust them. They can't even go to Costa Rica without a visa!! One of the countries they can visit without a visa I heard tonight is Peru. But then again...who would want to live in Peru right??
Anyway, I asked my novia in front of her family if she wants to go to Peru with me next month to see Machu Picchu. She said, "Si!" I'm not sure how much a ticket costs from Cali to Lima but I figure it can't be that much. Her family laughed when I joked in Spanish if her parents didn't trust me I would get seperate rooms. Surprisingly her mom said that she trusts me a lot and that she thought I was perfect for her daughter.
I've dated a lot of girls in the hobby. Hell, I dated one last year for almost a year. I flew her in to my house several times...the whole nine yards. I had geniune feelings and all that stuff. The one thing though in the back of any guys mind is having to deal with their past. I guess we can't judge them too much because of the girls we see but honestly I think I may have seen more girls than some of these pros. Ooops!
Stay tuned...I'm seriously thinking of extending again but I think I wouldn't have a job so I won't push it. I'm already leaving for the French Riviera in two weeks for one week but I might fly from there to Cali. Am I nuts?
P.S.
What Slick just posted couldn't be more true. I think if you are coming down for the amateurs don't be afraid to be honest with them. If you aren't looking for anything serious just tell them you're having fun now but if you meet the right one you'd settle down. My girl asked me if I met other girls here. I said, Yes, in fact many of them. (of course I didn't tell her I phucked them).
You have to be careful with the non-pro girls too. With the roses I sent her I included a very sincere letter, part of which said that I will only ask you for one thing. Honesty. Not love or respect (because I will earn those things). That in ANY relationship you had to have honesty. I mean, sh*t. I have to admit the letter was damn good. I sure can write sometimes.
Sometimes you find love when you're not looking for it. I'm not saying I'm in love but I think this could blossom into something great if I wanted it to. I have to ask myself what I want. I knew there would be a day when I'd get tired of running around the world seeing pretty girls. Who knows if this trip is heading me go in that direction. I do know that I've never felt like this on one of these trips. Most of you that know me or have seen my pictures know my taste. I like pretty girls and have had more than a provider relationship with some of them. But they can't compare to how I feel now.
Time will tell. If you don't have Pimsleur Spanish get it. If you need help getting it cheap my buddy Juan has them. PM my message box here and I'll shoot you his email address and he can get it to you. I was an idiot and bought them for $1,000+ for the 3 series set then he told me he has them. Oh well.
Damn this is a wonderful Country. My goal is to see more of it like Medellin and Cartagena and maybe some other cities. Cali is a dump but the people are GREAT...
Leo, I did see that American Airlines office when I passed the IC Hotel. That IC looks damn nice for Cali. I might use it the next time. I think the next time I came here though it would only be to spend time with my chica. Not sure. Who knows. I'm a bit confused at myself now. I already changed my ticket once and might extend it again. The sad thing is that I have extended almost every single one of my vacations and it gets expensive after doing it 15-20 times a year. Ouch.
Stay tuned...
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Well after reading Saints and plenty other reports I am finally going to Cali. I will be there march 16th to march 21st if anyone wants to get together to hang out, send me a message. Anyhow great reports Saint, keep them coming. Oh and another thing, whatever job you have is MY dream job considering it allows you to travel so much! Just in case anyone wants to know. I am currently in Panama City. A roundtrip flight from here to Cali cost 290 flying with Avianca.
Happy Hunting.
Saint, did you experienced or did you heard about some of the regulars spots already mentionned on the thread (Mystic K, Academia de Cerveza, ect ...) : is the crowd there old enough for that a 30's gringo could feel confortable and not out of place (unlike Rio where some good spots in Barra or Leblon are packed only with teenagers), are there some unaccompagned groups of girlies partying in the discos and in the bars, what are the currents hippest spots to hang for happy hours, dining and partying for the wealthy 20/30's crowd (and the sexy 20/30 girlies !) , you already mentionned Reggae Pop but i think it's in the mall ? ...
Thanks for the reports, have a good time ...
PS : same kind of infos about Medellin should be welcome too, thaks in advance to any reply ;
Pro,
I went to very few clubs. I did try Casa de la cerveza but it's a restaurant not a club. There are "beautiful girls" there. Many are with other dudes. I haven't had a chance to hit the other clubs. I've been on dates almost every night. I much prefer to go to nice restaurants or a pub with my dates and talk. I don't really dance although I'd love to learn. I had a lesson the other day but I was on a date and I missed it.
As far as the best place. I'd say it's ChipiChope mall. Go there on a friday or saturday night. It's unbelievable how many gorgeous girls there are. Many are with their friends. Many are with their dates. It's amazing how the girls even with their boyfriends will stare at you almost to say, "if I wasn't with my boyfriend I'd give you my phone number".
It should be pointed out that scoring with the non-pros isn't automatic. Just like in any country these Calenas aren't going to cream in their jeans just because you have a US passport. You have to at least be presentable. I'm not saying you have to be young, Brad Pitt, etc. Do the best you can. Focus on other things. If you're not in the best of shape, go out and get some nice clothes, groom yourself the best you can. Practice up on your Spanish. That is the biggest skill I can tell you. Speaking Spanish is the biggest key here. It's impossible to score a non-pro hottie girlfriend here if you can't speak Spanish. I wouldn't even recommend coming here unless you speak at least a little Spanish.
I think part of the reason why the locals are so friendly with me is because I start off by telling each new person I meet how wonderful the people are here. I joke around with them. That right away puts people at ease. Imagine a guy from Haiti going to Chicago and not being able to speak English. Do you think the locals are going to treat this guy that nice. Imagine if he got in a taxi, went to the grocery store, went to the mall. What kind of reception will he get in OUR country?? Exactly. Learn some Spanish.
I'm amazed that Americans don't have the desire to learn foreign languages. I've met so many guys that go over and over to Brazil. I'm talking every other month yet they can't or don't want to learn basic Portuguese. The same thing goes for other countries. Speaking Spanish in Cali is vital to having a good and arguably a safe trip. Again, my Spanish isn't great. I mean I can understand maybe 80% of everything. I've never had a difficult time getting across what I want to say and I'm able to speak as fast as most locals. I just have to improve my vocabulary. I think I'm up to about 25,000 words or so.
As much as I love any one city I just feel it's important to see the world. I absolutely love Buenos Aires and I hit it over and over and over. Some of you know I even got an apartment there I liked it so much. I broke away and forced myself to visit other cities and countries and I'm glad I did. I feel like a better person for doing it. People need to visit cities for other reason besides girls.
For instance, visiting Germany really touched something inside of me. I had no real knowledge of what the Jewish people went through during the war until I visited Germany and read some articles. Now I'm really fascinated and I'm reading the Diary of Anne Franke now. When I hit Amsterdam in May I'm really interested in visiting the museum there.
Every city has good things and bad things. Cali truly isn't a city I could find myself living in. The people are great but I live a good life. I don't give up living in a great house or driving a luxury car to travel. I have those things. However, if I lived here I'd have to give up so much. As nice and friendly as the people are here there is very little to do during the day. The guy I met from WSG that has been living here for 6 years seems content but I can imagine a little under pressure to make money since he has a kid and another on the way.
Even Rigo here at the hotel seems happy but money seems like it is a problem. He mentioned since interest rates are so high here he is forced to take lower interest loans on his credit cards. Yikes!
I doubt Cali will ever be a high end destination. A few dudes emailed me telling me that I shouldn't post such good things for fear of it turning into a Costa Rica. I don't think that will ever happen. Americans are too scared and lazy. And as I said, most of the guys on these message boards are only looking for sex. If hobbying is all your after, there are lots of better cities around the world. As much as I make it sound like Cali is safe keep in mind I've only been here about 9 days so far. Columbia obviously has a history of violence. I just don't see it here in Cali.
I probably will come back in a few weeks but I won't give up my other trips around the world. I'll see how this relationship goes but i know that I may be incapable of a committed long term relationship. I have to accept certain truths about myself. I always think the grass is greener on the other side. I was married to about the perfect woman (gorgeous, smart, gorgeous, from a wealthy family, etc.) and I didn't want to be in it anymore and was cheating around. I had a lot of guilt from the actions that I did during the marriage and I'll be really careful about getting into something serious again.
Something I love now is being able to go wherever I want to go, sleep in on the weekends without being asked to go run an errand, eating out every night, eating on the couch or the bed in front of the TV. Being single is the ultimate freedom. Still, the institution of marriage is so great. The idea of marriage. About having someone there to take care of you and love you for the rest of your life. I have a soft spot in my heart that will never give up on the idea of getting remarried again.
Sometimes I think to myself do I really want to be hobbying and alone when I'm 35, 40, 45, 50? Guys are stupid sometimes. We think about today or tomorrow whereas girls think about next year and 5 years from now.
Sorry to get so philosophical on you guys. I just have been doing a lot of thinking while listening to my Ipod walking around various cities like Paris, London, Nuremberg, etc.
Anyway, I woke up really early. I didn't sleep much. My hottie girl called and wants to meet up before work for a drink then I'll go out with her on another date tonight to the movies at ChipiChope mall. FLHobbyer's girl called me too. She noticed I had no Salsa music on my Ipod so she said she wanted to give me a gift of a Salsa CD. I have a busy day planned but I thought that was a nice gesture and will stop by and pick it up later in the afternoon after I visit my girl.
Later.
Saint thanks for the reply ;
BTW i think the evening consacred to take your GF's family diner will stay long in their heart and in your memories ;
I personnaly like acting nice with regulars in undervisited Brasilian towns of Goias or Minas and always had a reward with dating some of them, sometime with a horizontal reward but sometimes also with just the high pleasure to have a geniune and big hearted girl as a companion for a perfect night's out .... some still e-mail or call me after years and years ...
Cheers anyway
It´s funny but "Mojo Rasing" must have just been to this internet cafe here at ChipiChope mall recently because I logged in to WSG and his sign in was still on. I guess that will remind me to log out..ha, ha.
Anyway, I´m here at Chipi Chope. I just finished having lunch with Antifreeze. Damn. This is probably one of the most intelligent, philosophical guys that I´ve ever met not only in the hobby but outside of the hobby as well. We think alike on almost all universal issues. I hope to keep in contact with him in the future and I´m sure I´ll meet up with him on future trips. It´s evident that this guy has his sh#t together and will go far in life.
Pro,
I agree with you about doing nice things. I never do nice things expecting something out of it. I´m the type of guy that does nice things for the sake of doing it. It makes me feel good and I know the people appreciate it and that is good enough for me. For me, being nice pays so many dividends. I always come across guys that say not to tip X% but you can´t measure life in dollars and cents. I´m a happy guy and I like the way I do things. I also think people can sense that about me and I think that´s half the reason why I´ve been so lucky with girls. Girls like a guy that always has a smile on his face. What the hell do I have to complain about?
Anyway, I´m going to meet my novia for a drink before her work then I´ll go say hi to that other girl and pick up the CD she wants to give me. Crap I don´t want to go home tomorrow. I still might extend but I doubt it. I have to make some money to pay for future trips.
Antifreeze, Saint,
I am planning on bouncing around S.A. for a few years and I am interested in keeping a longterm apartment in Cali. Do you know of a website with apartment photos and info. Also what part of town would you reccomend living for a gringo.
Thanks,
Eddie
thanks pro!
this is probably my last update this trip. sadly, i'm leaving tomorrow morning. i had another good day. it's been interesting getting to know the people and the city of cali. the nicest group of people i have ever known.
i met my novia for some drinks before she went to work after i hooked up with antifreeze. i think i could sit for hours just staring into her eyes. physical attraction is important but the thing about these calenas is they are genuinely sweet. (ellas son muy carinosas y muy dulces!) i laughed a few times because when i was in cuba with my buddy seaman our theme chant everyday when we'd get together that we'd all say is, "una chica muy linda, con una cara muy bonita, un buen cuerpo, con un corazon grande y muy carinosa!" (a very pretty girl, with a very pretty face, a good body with a big heart that is very affectionate).
those guys razzed me because every time a girl asked me what kind of girl i liked i would dole out that answer. every single time so he and tad would chant that every day. pretty soon we'd be in our rental car and just chant out those words. it was pretty funny. seaman, if you are reading this you'll be happy to know that i'm finding all those qualities in these girls.
some generally interesting things i noticed is that places like mcdonald's, subway, etc. are here. and you know what? they are making a fortune. you have to understand that the price of an extra value meal here is not cheap. in fact, it's just a little less than one in the usa but these people don't make much. i've met lots of non-pro girls that work 6 days a week and only make 600,000 pesos a month (about $225) yet they are eating at mcdonalds. you know what? i think it's sort of a status symbol thing. they want to be able to say to their friends or other family members... "hey, i took my family to mcdonald's last night". it's really strange to see all the mcdonald's packed.
the other thing is do you think all these us businesses would be doing business here if it was as dangerous as people portray columbia to be? while i will admit that columbia statistically is a dangerous country and antifreeze threw out some statistics to me that weren't too good, i find it a little gem.
i can honestly say that most hobbyist probably shouldn't come if they are only looking to score with the pros. there are way better cities like buenos aires and rio. i seriously doubt cali will become a mainstream destination.
some guys might be worried about "getting ripped off" here. the thing they don't realize is there is no big tourism industry here so the locals probably wouldn't even know where to begin.
there are private casas in many many many sections of towns. just ask a taxi. the selection might not be that good but it doesn't hurt to go. there is no entrance fee and you don't have to do the "walk of shame"past the girls if you don't pick them since they do a line up one by one then leave the room.
i even have a few of the pros calling me daily. the hot ff girl called today but i couldn't pick up the phone because i was with my girl. if you rent a bell south cellphone you can buy rechargable cards all over the malls at the bell south stands or in most major supermarkets. they come in 10,000; 20,000 and 30,000 peso refills. they might have higher too but just get a little at a time. i find the cell phones to be expensive here. you dial *611 to add refill credits and to check your balance. it's all in spanish. just dial 1 to add credits and 2 to check your balance.
if you're calling a local non-cell phone from your cell phone you need to dial 032 before the local # or it won't work. if you speak spanish definitely rent a cellphone so you can talk with the chicas.
remember what i said about first impressions. these girls like guys that dress well. to them it's a signal that you have your sh*t together and can take care of yourself. they take good care of themselves and even in the malls like chipichope you'll see free big industrial scales that have a sign that say, "watch your weight". sh*t... the american girls could sure use those, huh?
anyway, i'm waiting on my girl. she is coming over to pick me up then we're going to the movies at chipichope. some of you pméd me asking where i went to dinner last night. it was a place in the south of cali called, rancho de jonas. her family picked it out. it was ok. outdoor patio type place with a mariachi band. food was pretty decent but not fabulous.
also, i wanted to point out that i type extremely fast. i type what i am thinking so my posts are genuine. i hope i don't come across as arrogant jerk because i'm really not that kind of guy. a few of you on the board truly know me and know what kind of person i am. one of my buddies told me that my posts come across as arrogant. i told him i'm not going to change the type of person i am. i've always tried to help people and i've never asked for anything in return. just my 2 cents.
if you come to cali, please respect their culture, respect their citizens and importantly respect these precious flowers that are the girls of cali. if you are a sicko that is into chasing **** girls or some other form of dengenerate i'd stay away from cali if i were you. antifreeze told me he has come across a few. i have a feeling if you are an ass here you could get yourself into a lot of sh*t quickly.
good luck all.
saint
Jaimito Cartero
03-05-04, 04:59
I'm really glad you're leaving Saint. I don't think I could stand much more of your reporting. I'm going to BA in 4 weeks, and yet you're making me almost cry that I'm not going to Cali. Bad, bad, Saint!
I seriously doubt that the McDonalds and Subway are US owned. Even in the US, about 80% of all stores are just franchisees. They pay the 200k or 500k to get a location, and then pay a certain advertising cost, and percentage of sale. They usually have to buy certain supplies (napkins, bags, food containers) that are marked up also.
McDonalds makes big bucks off of them, and the locals get to get a Big Mac. In Bangkok and SJO recently I ate at Subways there and was amazed that people would pay so much money for a mediocre sandwich.
In Thailand a Subway 6" sub was $3.50 on Sukhumvit. In Kuala Lumpur I passed one and the same sub was only $2.00. It's weird. In Thailand the KFC's don't have corn on the cob, but they do in Malaysia.
I’m sitting here at the Miami airport. Damn I hate connecting through Miami. It’s always a zoo. I thought I’d give details of departing Cali’s airport. Damn, it’s a zoo. My flight left at 8:15 AM so I was told to leave my hotel at 5 AM. I had to get up at 4 AM. I only slept two hours so I’m dead. Everyone told me it could take a while to go through the airport so I took their advice and left by 5 AM. If you are flying First/Business or you’re Platinum/EXP you don’t have to leave so early since you avoid the long lines. The regular line was long but I zipped through the First Class line.
You should note that before you go through the ticketing agent you need to go upstairs to get a waiver form so you don’t get socked with extra taxes. Your airline should have already taxed you the $25 however, if you don’t go upstairs and get the waiver form and your passport stamped you must pay extra money. Go upstairs then go to your left and there is a small window with a guy working. He will ask for your passport and will stamp it and fill out a form then hand it back to you. Go back downstairs and get in line and you’re set. The airport was the only place I went where a few people spoke English (only the American Airlines employees).
At the entrance of the door to say goodbye there were all these people crying. You have to understand that Columbians have it extremely tough. They need visas for just about every single country except Peru, Argentina, Brazil and maybe a handful of other countries. The ones that are lucky enough to go to the USA take it, sometimes even if it means leaving family members behind. I’ve never seen so many people crying at an airport before and I’ve been to quite a few airports. It broke my heart to see what these family members were going through. Imagine your mom leaving alone with your sister while you’re standing there with your dad and your other sisters and brothers. That’s what I saw. The father looked at me and I just gave him a kind of “I’m sorry amigo look”. I was also sad to leave my new novia behind but I can’t even compare it to these people.
Seeing this scene made me realize just how damn lucky we are as Americans. It just doesn’t seem fair to me that we have it easier just because we are born just a few thousand miles north of these people. Unfortunately the majority of these people will never have the opportunity to improve their life too much. No one wants to loan them money even if they have a good idea or they are intelligent or have a good business sense. Kind of like in the US where banks only want to lend you money if you already have money except much much worse.
I did meet a few people that were lucky to get visas but they stayed behind because of almost the exact situation as the family above. In one case the father and mother and 2 of their kids got visas but 2 didn’t. Rather than split up the family members they all stayed behind. There is no rhyme or reason to the decision making process of giving out visas.
I also met others here that lived in the USA before and came back. They made it through the difficult process of getting a visa but they found life in the USA disenchanting. Everyone thinks the USA is this easy place where great jobs are falling likes leaves off a tree. Where money is easy to make. The reality is the USA is one of the easiest countries in the world to make a little bit of money and difficult to make a lot of money. These people were working 2 or 3 jobs just to pay for their rent, food, kid’s clothes, medical bills. They came to the USA to improve their lives but they were slaves working daily to break even.
Another person that I met that fell in that category was my taxi driver back to the airport. He was a cool guy. His name is Felix Franco. Younger at 40 years old and his English is perfect. He is easy going and I just really got a good feeling from him. If you speak little to no Spanish or even if you do he is a good guy to call to use as a driver or translator. Most of these guys in Cali charge about $10 - $15 an hour. I told him I know some guys that might come to Cali. I got the price down to $8 an hour for you and if you use him more than 6 hours a day he’ll drop it down to $6. Just tell him “Santo” sent you and he’ll take good care of you. His cell phone number is (315) 573-4849. His home number is 3250302 or 5140287.
I’ve been fortunate to meet good people. I’m a good judge of character and this guy will take good care of you. It’s funny in the taxi we were talking about how hot the Caleñas are and he told me I’d like the Paisas too. He married one. I asked him how in the hell he can be married here with so many hot girls. He told me honestly he wakes up and the first thing he does is pray to God that he can be strong and not give into temptation. Ha! Talk about a strong guy. He also told me that sometimes he feels lucky not to be wealthy here because there would be too many temptations with the opportunities it would bring.
The ironic thing is even if you had a ton of money you probably couldn’t spend it. I mean, you don’t want to stand out too much. You can’t have too nice of a house; you can’t buy a nice car, etc. I was surprised to see not even one convertible in a town with perfect weather for a convertible but it’s just too dangerous I’m told. I only saw American and Asian cars. I only saw one BMW the entire 10 days I was there. Cars are expensive here.
I originally was only staying 5 days so I just had a back pack and a Travel Pro 22’ suitcase. You can actually pack a lot in those Travel Pro’s. I went through customs which was easy. Here is where I made my mistake. I went into the Admiral’s Club which is immediately to the right after Passport Control. The airport is hot and humid with no air conditioning. The Admiral’s Club isn’t that nice here but the air conditioning is extremely strong. There was no one at the front desk so I imagine anyone can use it since no one checked if I was a member. There is only coffee and orange juice. They didn’t even have bottled water. They did have CNN though in English.
I was dead tired and fell asleep. I woke up and it was 7 AM. Perfect… so I thought since my plane didn’t leave till 8:15 and boarding started at 7:30 AM. I go out and I see this long ass line. I think to myself sh*t! To make matters worse there is only one x-ray machine, a drug sniffing dog and they were frisking everyone so the process is slow. If you come here skip the admiral’s club and just go to your gate. I waited there one hour. Yes, you heard that right. The only comforting thing was that many in line behind me were on my flight too so I knew the plane wasn’t going anywhere.
So I finally get to the front of the line. The guy decides to open up my suitcase and take out EVERYTHING. It took me a while to pack since I bought some stuff and it was jam packed. They even checked the lining. They made me turn on my laptop. It took forever. If you use drugs I highly advise to leave them at home or don’t do them this trip. This isn’t the country you want to get locked up in. Also, in Miami the first thing you see is drug sniffing dogs. I’ve never done any drugs in my life and glad after hearing some of the problems they caused some of these people.
I’m on my plane now and missing Cali. There is a guy sitting next to me on the plane and I told him I went to Cali and he looked at me like I was out of my mind. He told me how dangerous it is. I asked if he’d been there and he said no. I do realize that statistically Columbia is a dangerous country. I was only there 10 days. I can honestly say that I felt as safe in Columbia as I did in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. In fact, I’d say I saw more shady characters in the Copacabana area than I saw in all of Cali.
I will definitely be back here. Maybe in as few as 3 weeks. Good or bad I started some sort of relationship with my girl here. Guys should realize with the sweet innocent girls you’re not going to jump in bed right away with them. It may take a few dates. There is a reason they are slaving their asses off making nothing rather than sleeping with tons of guys making a lot more money. These girls are sweet and many are innocent. I’m ok with the courtship phase. It’s been a while since I’ve gone through this with a non-pro girl. When I’ve dated “working girls” I’ve always justified it’s ok to sleep with other girls since she is working anyway. I guess I can’t make that excuse anymore.
It was sweet at the movies my girl told me that she is breaking up with her boyfriend tomorrow. I was pretty honest with her. I told her that I’ve really met a lot of girls all around the world and in my life. I also told her that I haven’t been able to forget her which is true. I asked her how much she makes working at the salon 6 days a week (sometimes 7) and I was floored when she told me only 350,000 pesos a month (less than $150). I couldn’t believe it. I know her family struggles but they seem like they have a happy life.
They are so wonderful together and love each other so much. You should have seen them at dinner that one night. I’ve never seen a stronger bond and a better relationship. I was actually envious and wished I had that kind of family growing up. I had the things that most would consider essential: living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, went to the best private schools, didn’t lack for food or clothing etc. but I can’t remember a time when I experienced what I witnessed that night at dinner with her family.
Anyway, after the movie it was late but I asked her brother if I could walk around with her a bit alone and talk. I gave him some money to buy a drink but I didn’t see anything open. I’m not sure if this was a right move or not but I gave her some money and I told her that I wanted to help her. I told her not to work so hard and to take more English classes. She is only taking English classes 2 nights a week but has made very little progress since she can’t study too much. She wouldn’t take the money at first but I reasoned with her and by the end of the conversation she had tears in her eyes and was thanking me. She told me she couldn’t believe she met me. I told her that I’m not a wealthy guy but I will help whenever I can and I’ll be there for her. We kissed and we just held one another for a while. Neither of us really had to say anything but we both had the same look in our eyes. It was a bittersweet moment.
Maybe some of you that live in Columbia can tell me if this was an OK move or not what I did. I didn’t want to offend her and she certainly wasn’t offended. She never asked for anything from me. Sometimes I just like helping out a little. I’m not expecting anything in return for this. I did it in Buenos Aires too where I met a girl working in a restaurant slaving her ass off. I had no romantic interests in her even though she was cute and expressed interest in me. I gave her about $150 (500 pesos) a month for several months. I opened up a US bank account and added her name and added money in it. It helped her get a tourist visa and she now is living in Europe. We keep in touch from time to time and she always tells me that she will never forget what I did for her and will pay me back someday. I’m not writing this to hear what a great guy I am. I don’t think it’s anything special. I just think sometimes in life you have to do nice things for the sake of doing them. I feel so happy that my friend is happy now in Europe. She would have never gotten anywhere in Argentina. Some of you have met her. She handed out flyers at one of the restaurants on Junin street in Recoleta. I hope this in some way inspires other guys to help others in some small way.
Even if I don’t stay with this girl I’m thinking of telling her that I’ll give her 600,000 pesos a month (almost double her monthly salary) if she agrees to take English classes full-time. It no doubt will help her have a happier future. Her best friend lives in the USA and she doesn’t seem to have a big desire to live in Cali. She has no friends in Cali and is kind of a home body. She doesn’t go out much. I asked her mom at dinner if she would miss her daughter if she moved to the USA and her mom had a tear in her eye and told me that her daughter is her life. She loves her more than she loves herself. She told me though that if knowing that her daughter was happy and had a legitimate chance of a good future she would be happy. It was a Hallmark moment. I know some of this sounds gushy. If so, stop reading. No one is forcing you to read this.
Many emotions and thoughts are going through my head right now but I’m so happy that I went to Columbia. I didn’t know what to expect but it was a very enriching experience if you couldn’t tell from my diary. Sometimes you just have to do something impulsive. I just got a ticket on a whim with very little notice. Life is short and you have to take advantage of the time you have. I truly hope some of you were able to gain some valuable information from my diary. Whether it was hobby info or just normal everyday life stuff in Cali, I hope you could take something positive out of it.
Good luck. I hope people visit this city full of amazing and wonderful people.
Hey Saint,
I normally post in Las Vegas. Living here in Vegas can sure make a cynical bastard out of ya, with all the rip-offs and girls that take huge advantage. I mean it's probably the same throughout most of the USA, but I think it's worse here.
I'm sure a lot of the same 'cynical bastards' would tell you that you were being taken for a fool and there's a lot of other 'boyfriends' these girls talk to. I don't know, I can't know, but I DO know that I enjoyed your posts, and they seem real. It's nice to know there are some decent guys like you out there, even if it may make you more likely to be ripped off. Empathy is never a bad thing. Don't lose that and good luck with those girls. And if THIS sounds too gushy to anyone, tough shit.
Saint ... I have to say, I don't know you at all but I already like you. You seem to be a very genuine and good man.
I now live in Medellin half the month with the Paisa that I met about a year ago and our stories sound similar.
My Paisa still never asks for money and it's still tough to give it to her. I'm pretty sure your new Calena knows the money you gave her was from your heart ... you did a good thing.
I have to admit ... I still feel the call of the wild and I play the mongering game when I travel for my job, which is quite a bit, but it sure is nice when I come back to Medellin and mi Paisita esta esperando mi (my Paisa is waiting for me)
Cheers!
Saint and Company,
Thanks for all the good insight. I think I may use your Taxi guide when I get to Cali because l am not a huge fan of mongering, only at times. Anyhow if you decide to return to Cali let me know. For Saint or anyone else I will be there March 16. I am just getting in from a long dull night out here in Panama City, im sure Cali will be a needed break from the norm.
Happy Hunting.
Hi guys. Can any guys that fly in/out of Cali a lot tell me the cheapest priced airlines that fly from Cali to Medellin? I did see flights on Avianca round-trip for less than $100 so that is pretty darn cheap. Also, do you know which airlines fly from Cali to Lima, Peru?
P.S. Some people have emailed me asking what the downsides were to that Hotel I stayed in. There were several disadvantages but the owner, Rigo, was such a gregarious and friendly guy it overshadowed the bad things. Still, I'll point out what I thought could be improved.
My bed wasn't too comfortable. It was much much better than the so called mattresses they have in Cuba but not near as comfortable as most hotel beds. You have to keep in mind this is basically just a huge house and he rents out rooms. Another was the pillows. The pillows were quite bad. If I stayed there again, I'd bring my own pillows. The other thing was they are doing construction on the house right now and adding on more rooms so construction workers start semi-early in the morning around 8 or 9 AM. You can't sleep in with the noise. I had hot water and there were only maybe 2 times when the hot water ran out mid-way during shower and I did take one cold shower late one morning. Also, the rooms were very dim at night. Maybe you can ask for stronger lightbulb.
I'm not sure what you can expect for $45 a night though. He has rooms for $35 a night and bigger apartments for $45 a night. Something I didn't know was that he charges a $10/night guest fee if you have a guest more than 1 hour so the apartments I guess must go for $55 a night. That is a bit high for Cali standards. I think you can get a room at the Intercontinental for about $75 a night + tax. When I go back I'll probably try another hotel but I'd still be tempted to use him again just because he was such a nice guy. My trip wouldn't have been as good without staying there.
Another thing is that I got bit by several mosquitos in my room. However, I'm the type that mosquitos love. I can be in a room with 100 people and I'll be the only one that gets bitten. I'd recommend you bring a Citronella candle.
There is a company I use to buy a bunch of travel related stuff. I go to so many different countries sometimes it's nice to have some of this stuff. I've bought many many many products from them and can recommend them highly.
http://www.walkabouttravelgear.com/index1.htm
LatinTraveller
03-08-04, 01:29
Saint
Great reports from Cali. Thank you.
First , both Avianca and Aerorepublica fly from CLO-MDE. Both can be booked on-line at non-gringo prices. If you book more than two weeks before it is much less expensive.
www.summa.aero
www.aerorepublica.com.co
There may be other non-iata airlines that fly this route.
Second, there are no IATA airlines that fly direct from CLO-LIM. Aviance fly with a connection in Bogota. Current tariff is US$279 round trip.
Third, I understand your feelings and emotions about you new novia in Cali. To me you are someone that will manage this situation and I am sure that you, in the end of the day, you will analyse the situation and make the right choice. A word of warning: Colombian women can be difficult and any relationship is with the entire family.
Forth, I think you have played down somewhat the security situation in Cali. It is probably the most dangerous city in Colombia. I never feel comfortable there and I have friends that have lived there that have had to leave because they are fed up with being robbed and generally feeling insecure. I have other friends that have continually down-scaled their cars because anything considered "good" is robbed at traffic signal. They have lost two cars in the last year.
Fifth, for US$55 you can stay in the best hotel in Cali IMHO, the Casa Dann Carlton, and get change. They are not exactly chica-friendly but are chica tolerant.
Once again, thanks for your great prose and an excellant insight into what is a great but somewhat damgerous destination.
Take care
Thanks for the links. I had one of them but not the other.
I'm not sure how the novia situation will work out. I'm not expecting anything and just will see how things go. I tend to jump into things and just let them work themselves out. I agree with you about the family situation. After it was clear that we both had feelings she wanted me to meet her family.
It's not that I intentionally downplayed the security angle. I was only there 10 days. Guys need to be careful and use their best judgement when deciding on traveling anywhere the State Department has a warning. I think it's much different for the average tourist going a few days or a week than someone living there for years on end. I felt comfortable there but I think traveling in South America many times helped.
Lastly, can you please give me the contact information for the Casa Dann Carlton. I went to the website http://www.hotelesdann.com/html/dann_carlton_cali.html but when I go to email them it gets bounced back. I'm not sure if that page is accurate. How do I get the $55 rate you talk about? Also, do you have an updated website link or a phone number so I can call. I'll most likely be back in 2 weeks or so and I'd like to try out a new place.
Also, what do you mean it's chica tolerant? Will I have to pay a fee to bring a girl back? Thanks in advance.
Saint
I have a similar question. I will be traveling to Cali with a buddy of mine on March 15th. At most we are looking to spend around $55 bucks a night combined, for our accomidations. Where can we get the most for our money? Is calihotel still our best bet?
Saint, myself and my buddy are thinking about getting an apartment at the Cali hotel together. How are the apartments?
Thanks in advance, happy hunting. Oh once again, if anyone is in Cali and wants to get together around March 15th, let me know. I will be there.
SAINT, I also have a favorite place I like to stay when visiting Cali.
It's called 'Hotel Casa del Portal' ... on Ave Sexta A ... maybe 3 blocks from Chippi Chappi ... easy walk ... and also very close to Kaliente, Flores Frescas, Ave Sexta, etc.
Cost is normal 100,000 pesos but you can talk yourself down to 80,000 per noche.
The guys that work there are fantastic, always helped me with the 'juggling' of the chicas. Became good friends with them.
Very comfortable, affordable, no construcion, good pillows (haha) and a free breakfast every morning if you can get out of bed by 11am ... I usually ordered breakfast in bed every morning with my chica ... as you know, they love that.
... Also, in Medellin, try Hotel Plaza Rosa ... less luxurious than Intercontinental, but way more affordable and people are muy chevere (very cool). www.hotelplazarosa.com
I'm off to to Venezuela for a few days ... life is bueno!
Suerte!
Ricker,
Thanks for the great advice on those places. This is what the board is all about. I might also try to get to Medellin this trip coming up. Not sure if I can do it but I'll sure try. I'll check out that hotel if I go.
That's one thing I forgot to put in my report. The girls use "chevere" a lot!! I heard it in other places I've been to like Cuba but not as much. In Cali the girls use it all the time. So do the locals. I swear, this one girl used that word maybe like 20 times one night in my room. I had my laptop, Ipod with speakers so we were listening to music, candles illuminating the room (definitely go out and buy a ton of candles - chicks love it!), and a bunch of other stuff and she kept saying, "chevere". It was cute.
Free Sex,
I didn't even look at the apartments since they were all booked. I talked to my amigo, Jay that was staying in one. He was in it with two other people so they must be bigger. They are $55 a night but I think one of you would get the bed and another a fold out sofa. I'm not sure how comfortable that would be.
If you've never been to Cali before it's probably a good idea because Rigo is such a good guy. The apartments also seemed to be on the side of the house. A few times I didn't want to bring a girl home during the day because there are also some families staying at the Hotel. This isn't just some monger hotel. It's mainly a family type place. I hope that helps.
Can anyone give me some ideas about what to do for Apr 3-6? I am going to be in Colombia then (specifically Cartagena) but I can go elsewhere, like Cali.
Things are going to be BOOKED. Min rate from the ever trustworthy Juan Ventura, is about 200k IF he can find anything.
SO I might have to strike out for other places like Cali. But it will probably be totally dead no? Also thinking about a 3 day trip to San Andres island during that period with my favorite.
Saint, "cheveré" is an expression you will hear an awful lot in Venezuela as well. Ven and Colombia are probably the closest culturally of most of South American countries, and it makes sense given the history/geography of the region. A lot of the slang expressions are similar too though there are differences and Colombians generally speak better and clearer Spanish.
"cheveré" is an expression of positive affirmation/agreement, of something being agreeable, good, cool, etc.
Que cheveré - how great!
cheveré! - cool!
it's also used very often to answer question like "how are you"
bien cheveré
how was the event, party, movie, gathering, etc etc?
bien, bien cheveré
I believe you get the drift.
I don't believe I have ever heard it in Cuba personally, but you could be right. Might have to check on that next time I get a chance to go the Isla.
The other countries that use the expression (though not as much) are countries in Central America (like Mexico)
Either way, it'll probably be understood almost anywhere in Latin America.
Also in Colombia, especially the younger crowd, use the word "Vacano (a)".
For example, "Esa chica es muy vacana!"
I've used the word in Venezuela but just to get a chuckle from the Venezolanas.
Thanks Catire. Yeah, it's pretty easy to figure out after you hear it the first dozen or so times. I thought it was cute. I agree with you. The Spanish in Colombia is crisper and clearer. The other thing I noticed is these Calenas really love chatting and talking. I'm not sure if the local guys don't give them attention or only trying to get in their pants but I found when I walked around in the malls or was at dinner. The girls would want to stay there for hours and hours just talking.
Most guys probably will stick to other places that are easier to navigate in. As mentioned, it's not the place to go if (a) you've never traveled in South America before; (b) you speak no Spanish; (c) you are only interested in the hobby scene.
Ricker correctly pointed out that the reason I had such success is because I could communicate and I've been to South America so many times. I think that was the reason it was such a successful trip.
Good luck.
I have to say also ... I spend a lot of time in both Venezuela and Colombia and without a doubt, it's much easier to understand the Colombians' spanish.
I am finally getting an ear for the Venezuelan "accent". I've been hanging out a lot in Maracaibo with a chica I met recently.
The nicest spanish I enjoy listening to is from the Paisas of Medellin though ... almost sounds as though they're singing as they talk. Plus my girlfriend there calls me "Papi" ... I absolutely love that.
I haven't been to Cali for months now ... it's hard to leave Medellin but I'm making a trip thru there toward's the end of this month ... gotta catch up with a chica I met and do some exploring.
Suerte.
Ricker, to talk about young girls in Venezuela
try "carajita".
The maracucho accent is slightly different than the caraqueno but close enough. They probably don't drop their s's or just aspirate them the way they do in Caracas (and Havana/Cuba where they drop it altogether)
Catire, thanks, you're right.
My friend, the Maracucha, when she speaks it sounds like this for example ... "cuando estas en Maracaibo, bucame" ... instead of "buscame" ... maybe she pronounces the 's' slightly ... anyway, it sounds kind of sexy to me.
Ricker and Catire, thanks for the good posts about language in Colombia : i currently have a (GF) who's from Santo Domingo and who speaks only spanish (i don't know only one word, but being French maybe help) : she perfectly understand the general meaning of my conversations when i speak portugese (i speak fluently from countless trips in Brasil), and i quite understand her when she speaks spanish: do you think it could be the same in Cali/Medellin ?
Thanks guys for the tips ;
Cheers
Pro ... I have lots of Brazillian friends in Miami and they understand me when I speak spanish to them ... the languages are similar.
It should be the same for a chica from Colombia as it is for your Dominican chica ... they'll get the general idea of what you're saying. I can't think of why it would be different for a Colombiana vs. a Dominicana.
If you speak fluent Portuguese, learning spanish should be a breeze ... I don't bother learning portuguese because I don't do Brazil enough and they pretty much understand spanish anyway ... I would rather just get better and better at spanish.
Suerte.
Ricker thanks, definitively Cali and Medellin are on my 'to do soon' list, thanks to all the posters of those Colombia threads.
Cheers
Spanish and Portuguese are very similar but Portuguese is a lot tougher. The pronunciation is more difficult. Still, most Brasilians can understand enough Spanish. My Portuguese sucks now that I haven't been to Brazil in months. I did the 90 Pimsleur Portuguese lessons and I took a weekend Portuguese class but Spanish is still a lot easier.
Ricker,
I want to hit Medellin. Everyone says the girls there are beautiful, the people are friendly and the city is beautiful. My non-pro novia emailed me today. She wants me to go to Cartegena with her and her mom next month for her vacation. I doubt I can make it though. I'll be in Peru.
Whats up fellas. Well the time is almost here. I will be in Cali Tuesday, March 16th at 5pm. Any last words of advice? I have read ALL thrity something pages of the Cali reports and taken notes on locations, prices, etc. So if anyone has any last minutes numbers, locations, connections or anything of the sort it will be well appreciated. And lastly if anyone wants to meet up while I am there send me a PM. Wish me luck, im off to practice some spanish!
... ahhhh yes, Medellin ... I absolutely love it there! It's a great place for all the things you mentioned, Saint. Luckily I guess, it's not really a haven for PFP (keeps out the rif-raf) ... Cali is much better as well as Cartagena.
Medellin is a city more geared for someone who has traveled, speaks better than just 100 words of spanish and enjoys people and music and culture. PFP is definitely available just not even close to the degree of Cali or Cartegena.
I have visited and practically lived in Colombia for the past, almost 3 years from Barranquilla, Cartegena to Bogota (not much time here) to Cali and finally Medellin ...
Like with your experiences in Cali ... people all over Colombia are very friendly ... especially if you can communicate with them in their language and sort of bond with them a bit.
Medellin is like the "south" in the USA ... sort of that "in the country" feel to it ... people are very friendly.
When people in the states think I'm nuts and ask me why I'm settling in Colombia, I try to explain to them the culture and yes, about the senoritas ... most people just don't get it, especially the gringas, they ever will. It has to be experienced.
When you make a friend in Colombia, he becomes your brother ... When you finally find a true novia / esposa Colombiana like my Paisa in Medellin, all I can say is ... you'll know what it feels like to be King and to be loved.
Sorry to ramble on here ... I just got on a roll. Lastly I want to say, I also travel quite a bit in Venezuela and I have to say that these Venezuelans too are very friendly and of course the women are beautiful and loving ... for some reason though, Colombia keeps me running back ... maybe it's my Paisa in Medellin calling me "papi lindo".
We'll see you soon ... Suerte!
Saint ... by the way ... I'm taking a few American buddies of mine to Cartagena next month ... they want to see why I always rave about "las Colombianas". I guess they'll find out.
Free Sex,
Have fun for me in Cali. The only advice I can give you is to take time and do other things. Don't just focus on the sex aspect of Colombia. The best part of Cali is the people. Even if you can't speak Spanish, hire that guide I listed in one of my last posts. (Felix: Celular (315) 573-4849 or home 325-0302). He speaks perfect English and seemed like a good guy. He also said he doesn't screw around on his wife which in Cali is saying A TON!!
Don't just stay in your hotel room. Go out and explore the city. I had very little down time which was the opposite of what a lot of guys that went to Cali told me. Go to Chipichape and Unicentro malls. Go up to Cristo Rey. Have Felix take you around the city a bit. Go and get a legit massage, manicure, pedicure, etc. at one of the dozens of Esteticas around town. Go eat at different restaurants around the city. Go to Avenidta Sexta and have a drink at night. Walk around if you feel comfortable. Go have a beer at Reggae Pop at night.
Most importantly, respect the locals and the way they do things. Also, respect yourself and don't do anything that would cause future Americans that visit Cali to be ashamed of you. I didn't post my diary/report to get a bunch of degenerate types in Cali but to share my experience of a wonderful city full of wonderful people. In fact, I think many of the degenerate type of gringos that hung out at the "Gringo Gulch" in CR wouldn't last a day here. I also don't think they would find it easy or fun.
In the end, I believe in the goodness of people. I think that if you follow that advice above you will have a good time.
Regarding the hobby. Go to a number of different places. Don't be afraid to ask the taxi or Felix which ones to go to. If you don't see any hot girls just leave. Don't feel locked into anything. Felix also told me he knows some private girls that don't work in clubs. That might be a good option for some of you. Regardless of what some people say about Flores Frescas it clearly has the hottest girls, IMHO. Check it out.
If you feel adventurous have Felix take you up to Kilometer Dieciocho (18). Better yet, if you meet a nice girl take her up there and eat up there. It's romantic and there are great views of the Andes Mountains.
Cali isn't a city you go to juts for sex. As I pointed out there are too many cities in the world that are easier and safer. Have fun and let us know how you are doing if you have time.
Best of luck.
Saint
P.S. Ricker, you're a lucky guy to live there. I hope to make some kind of move in the next few years. Right now though I have the best of both worlds. I want to see the world and I can't do that working outside of the USA. Thanks for all your information on South America.
FYI. Here is one of the sites that helped me decide to go to Cali:
http://www.caliescali.com/modelos_anteriores.php3
Also, does anyone know how to price out tickets on Avianca's website? I entered Cali to Lima and I found the flight options on the dates I want but it doesn't seem to give a price. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I called Avianca's local number there in Cali. (011-572-6511-300) but no one answers. I keep holding for an operator and the phone just hangs up.
Also, does anyone have a good travel agent in Cali that won't gouge me on prices? Preferable that she/he speaks some English but probably not so no biggie. Please PM me if you know of someone. Thanks.
Saint
P.S. UPDATE. I managed to call Avianca's toll-free number in the USA. The lady answered was in Medellin but spoke perfect English. She said the rates are the same whether buying here or there. Not sure if that is true but we'll see. The phone number for those interested is 1-800-284-2622.
FYI. A round-trip ticket from Cali to Lima via Bogota is $399.34 with taxes included.
Saint and Company,
First off, thanks for the advice! I have gone with the guide Ramon to show me Cali for the first night. Lots of people talk about him so I firgure ill give him a shot for a night or so, he what he comes up with. As for seeing Cali and the people, that is main reason I am going. As all of you can tell by member name (free sex) I am not a huge hobby fan, I would rather meet a chic, take her out, get to know her (maybe), then do the do. I arrive in cali Tuesday at 5pm.
After I unpack, the first place I am going to go is the mall all of you are speaking of. Then from there I will go where the wind takes me. I will start the disco/hobby thing later that night. Hmm, now that I think about it. I may actually get a legit massage, THEN go to the mall (this is going to be fun). But anyhow, everyone look out for my reports. Oh Saint and company I have a question for you. As you know I am staying at the same hotel you stayed at. How do you think I should work the phone thing, does Rigo have a phone I can rent while I am there? If so how much is it? Should I just give chicas the hotel number? obviously I want to be accesible to everyone that I meet in Cali via phone(24 hours if possible), so what do you think the best/afforable way is to approach the phone situation?
Another question, does anyone know the best disco to hit Tuesday night for non or amateur pros? And lastly, I have an Avianca office down the street from me. In my travels tommorow I will get a price for you on Cali to Peru. I remember you saying you will be in Cali in about 2 weeks, so I will get prices from around that date. Alright, im off to study some spanish, again.
WhiteLight
03-15-04, 21:18
Saint,
How much are you paying for pussy in Cali? I will be going to Cartagena in May or April may do a side trip to Cali.
I have a buddy who just bought a condo for $30k in Cartagena, might be a great spot to sit awhile?
Free Sex,
Cool. I'll PM you about the dates. I appreciate you checking prices. Hopefully they charge the same as the office in Cali. Keep in mind I'm a Cali rookie. I'm only giving you my advice. I don't claim to know much about Cali so I can only give you my opinions.
One thing I will point out is these hotties aren't just going to spread their legs and have sex because you're an American. Most of the super hotties that I met seem to be kind of shy and innocent. We assume every hottie just has tons of sex but that didn't seem to be the case in Cali. Remember that most young girls live at home with their parents under their watchful eye.
It takes time to cultivate a relationship especially if you are looking for sex. I'm not sure how long you are there for but go in it with realistic expectations. I think you're better shot might be to hook up with a pro and hopefully click with her. I'm not sure. I spent a lot of time with one of the pros I met but stopped once I clicked with my non-pro girlfriend.
As far as the hotel I stayed at. Make sure you go back a few reports and read the downsides. I think it's important to know everything going into a trip. I listed the negatives but I'd still happily recommend it to someone going to Cali their first trip. Rigo is a great guy. Ask him to use a cell phone for free. You can buy credits at the supermarket near the hotel or at any of the Bellsouth stands in the malls. Just tell the supermarket, "necesito comprar créditos para mi celluar. - Bellsouth". Or "necesito recargar mis créditos para mi cellular". One of the guys that is fluent can maybe give you a better way to ask. It was fine for me.
They come in 20,000 and higher credits. I'd recommend starting off with 20,000 pesos. You can easily buy more. I gave instructions on how to refill it on one of the reports. It's easy.
You should also keep in mind that the odds of a chica calling your cellphone is slim. Better to ask for their number. It's quite expensive for them to call your cell phone. Many girls did call my cell phone but some of them would call and let it ring then hang up but the phones all have caller ID so you can see who called. It's best to store their number in memory so you can see the name when they call. That way if you're already with a chica you can save yourself an embarrasing situation when another is calling. I learned that lesson a while back in Buenos Aires when I'd have girls calling all the time. If the girl asks why you're not answering it just tell her it's your friend and you don't want to talk to him now.
I'm not sure your level of Spanish but it needs to be pretty decent to crack the non-pro scene. The hotties will get bored quickly if you can't make them laugh, communicate and generally just converse with them. I'm not saying it's impossible but more of possible just not probable.
The malls don't really get hopping until night. The weeknights aren't nearly as busy as Friday and Saturday nights. I did go some afternoons and I saw some girls going there after they got off work. If you see someone you want to talk to get creative and think of a way to talk to her. Many times asking directions is the best way. Right off the bat they will know you are a foreigner and I found they were quick to want to help.
Many girls are often with their friends or boyfriends that I noticed. I didn't hit the normal clubs too much as I was busy on dates and stuff. Bring lots of nice blue jeans as they are what most of the local youth wears. I found they dress more casual at night then most cities I've been to in South America. In Buenos Aires people tend to dress up. Not the case here.
I can't emphasize enough not to expect to just score with the hottie non-pros immediately. As mentioned, many seemed like "nice girls". Like I said...there is a reason they are slaving away working 6-7 days a week for the amount some of these girls in the clubs are making in a few nights.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Saint
P.S. I'm not saying Ramon isn't a nice guy because as I stated in my report I met him and he seemed friendly and nice. However, I will honestly say that one of the dudes that goes down there told me that Ramon tried to constantly mooch and try to get him to buy him things. Also, as I said...the info he gave me about the other clubs was TOTALLY false and untrue. I went to the other clubs he told me were "equally as good as Flores Frescas". That wasn't even close to the truth. The other clubs sucked so I'm not sure if he gets some commission to go there.
I don't like being around BS'ers. I'm not saying Ramon is a bad guy. I just think he exxagerates the truth a little. I found that other guy, Felix to be honest and ethical. They charge around the same price. Use your best judgement.
Saint, thanks for the link (caliescali): i wish i could pack my bags today (unfortunatly i can't ...) ; pics are awesome, even if (please see no offense) IMHO those kind of girls can't be find, unless a miracle, for a two or three weeks visitor ; anyway it's still the dreams that make the world goes round, no ? :)
Cheers
Pro,
You're definitely right. You CAN't expect all those model type girls to be walking around. It was merely to show you that those girls are all from Cali. Most of the model hot girls need lots of time to discover and cultivate relationships. Often times guys think just because a girl is poor or in a tough situation that changes things. In all reality it doesn't. Girls are girls. No matter their profession, education, background. Relationships take time to develop. Good luck and safe travels.
El Cubanito
03-16-04, 02:21
Hi Saint,
This is El Cubanito from the Cuba section of this board. I have been reading your post and after reading your post I might be interested in going to Cali before or after I leave Cuba if I can can hook up with you I am flexible with this. Let me know if this is ok with you. You can PM me. I am set to leave to Cuba on March 31 and stay until april 12. I would like to go to Cali for 5 days. I know this problably will not get me enough time to meet a nice girl, but it will give me time to meet somebody down in there. Let me know if anything can be done, if not I will go down by myself.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito,
You are fluent in Spanish so you have that extra advantage. I've read your reports and you sound like you have some "game" so I think you'd really like it. The girls are super sweet there. Yes, 5 days is very tough to crack non-pro scene but you can meet up with non-pros and then also visit the casas and nightlife to ease your stress.
I was going to go back to Cali after my French Riviera trip this week but I'm going to fly in my girl to Peru instead for my Machu Picchu trip next month. I guess I won't be hobbying in Peru. No biggie.
5 days is plenty of time to have fun in Cali. Have fun and let us know how it goes. You'll be perfectly fine going alone. The key is speaking Spanish which you already have mastered. Good luck.
Hey Fellas,
Saint, I have that information for you, Check your PM´s. You keep on saying that you cannot say it enough but its not that easy to score with the none pros. I COMPLETELY understand. The situation is somewhat similar here in Panama City. Just because you are from the states DOES NOT mean it will happen the first night. All you can do it try. About Ramon, lord knows by NO means am I locked into a contract with him, lol. I will give him a shot, see what he comes up, then I may call your guy. I really dont want or need a guide considering I have tons of information from this board. Well see what happens. Ok, so everyone get ready for him reports and pics, I will give my 2 cents about Cali starting the second I touch down. Oh, and once again, if anyone is reading this and is in cali now, or will be for the next week. Send me a PM, I will be there tommorow March 16. Alright fellas. Wish me luck, see you when I get there.
After reading on the Colombia boards, I am finally going to take the plunge! Want to know a few things, how easy is it getting to the city from the airport. Is it fairly safe to walk around? What hotels are girl friendly and have safes, etc. etc.
I am from Puerto Rico so Spanish is not a problem getting around but there only for this weekend so have to make the most of it!
Hysteromania,
Perhaps guys like Antifreeze can give you better information. I know that he was extremely busy these days working and traveling so he might not be reading but I'd say he is probably the best source for info. To answer your questions, it's very easy to get from the airport to the city. It's about a 25 minute taxi ride. I had it prearranged to have a driver. It might be $2 more or so but it was good peace of mind. There are TONS of taxi's though so no worries. I think I paid something like $18 to get from the airport to my hotel.
As far as the hotels that are girl friendly. I stayed in a hostel instead of a big hotel because I heard the hotels could be a hassle sometimes but I honestly don't think that's the case. A few guys that I was emailing told me that and I think they were just saying that so I'd stay in their casas. Since you are fluent and will have no problems getting around the city you might want to check out the Intercontinental at around $75 a night or the Dann Carlton next door to it. Both looked like nice hotels. Some other guys listed other alternatives so don't be lazy and go read back. Lots of good information out there. Guys take the time to post and help others out so the least people can do is take time to go back and read.
If you are from Puerto Rico you probably look Hispanic. You'll blend in well. I stuck out like a sore thumb and had NO problems the 10 nights that I was there. I walked around even at night and had no problems. Use your best judgement if you should or not. I tend to be the adventurous type.
For me, part of the fun of a new city is going out exploring, talking to the locals and seeing the entire city. I can't stay in my hotel room and only hit the clubs. Not my style. Good luck.
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