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Super David
03-16-04, 19:32
Hysteromania:
It is misleading that the Intercontinental does not allow ladies! I always stay there and have had NO problem whatsoever bringing in company. They may ask for and ID from the ladies, but that is only for your security.
Listen to what everybody writes here. Go to Chipichape. Go to Unicentro. Go to Avenida Sexta. Mix and mingle. You will definitely have fun.
David
Saint, the normal girl cellphone phenomenon you refer to is called "pinging".
It's not quite true the girl won't call your cellphone. She will if she genuinely likes you (or has something to gain from the relationship) but it's true that her financed will determine whether she will actually speak with you on the phone for a long time.
The reasons for this are straightforward. Cellular rates in South America are far more expensive than say if you called on a landline, and if you call a cellphone, that is much more expensive than calling a landline. Therefore, most people, especially those on a budget, tend to keep their cell phone talking to a minumum though of course some will yak and yak and just can't help themselves (then all of a suddent their prepaid tarjeta is out of credits)
Text messaging is very popular among cellphone users. And it's a lot cheaper than calling.
for economic and perhaps somewhat cultural/macho reasons, the girl will often "ping you", meaning call let it ring once or twice and then stop the call. On your cellphone you will see the number trying to call you or that tried to call you - and then you can call her back and talk. In any event, it's certainly a clear indication of interest and the fact she does indeed want to talk.
I am an avowed cell phone hater in general but they're a must in Latin America if you're staying there for any length of time.
Catire,
Yep. I totally got that in Cali. I didn't mean to imply a girl wouldn't call your cellphone. I only meant to be aware it's not cheap for them. I had several girls calling my cellphone. Most of the time I was already with someone though so I didn't answer anyway. I couldn't figure out my voicemail so I couldn't even retrieve them.
A few times I would call the chicas back and I ran out of credits and they were nice enough to call me back on their dime. Ha, ha. I didn't mind being "pinged" though. As you mention...I was happy they wanted to talk.
As mentioned, the only thing that sucks with the club girls and the girls from the casas like Kaliente is they have to work everyday except Sunday and on Sunday they spend most of it with their family. One Sunday when I did go out on a date with a FF girl she brought her kid with her!
I don't hate cell phones. In fact, I make it a point to try to rent a phone or preferably buy a SIM card. I like having the same number when I go to Rio. In Europe I just use my GSM phone from the USA. It's not that cheap but super convenient. You gotta be available to talk to these chicas and the cell phone is the easiest way.
P.S. For any of the Colombia pros like Antifreeze, Ricker, et. al..... Do you know if I'm being quoted the right taxes for leaving Colombia? I talked to a travel agent and she is telling me the prices below:
>-Impuesto visita PERU : U$ 13
>- Impuesto salida Colombia : U$ 47
>- Impuesto Salida Peru : U$ 23
The taxes for leaving Colombia seem awefully high. I think I only paid $25. Why would a Colombiano have to pay almost double? It's not going to be cheap but I'm flying my girl and her brother to Peru to go to Machu Picchu with me next month. Should be fun.
PanamaJack
03-17-04, 06:30
Hey guys can anybody tell me whats the rate at the DANN CARLTON hotel, usually when I travel to cali I stay at the inter or if I go for more than two weeks I stay at the aparthotel rayda but I think I want to upgrade. I really enjoy that area, in general its the safest area in town.
This is a report related to safety in Cali, Colombia.
Saint:
I do not mean to flame, but stating that:
"I can honestly tell you to ignore the warnings. Cali is a very safe city as long as you don't stray outside of the city."
Is not only erroneous - it is simply downright irresponsible.
The experience of a few days as a tourist is simply not illustrative of any city's level of relative safety.
I have been living in this city for five years now, and I can tell you, it is NOT a "very safe city" by ANY objective standard.
Right before I came down here, one of my cousins (Mr. Hugo Antonio Castaño R.I.P) was found dead right outside of town. He had been kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. Since I have been down here, a friend of mine (Mr. John Fernando Palomino Montoya R.I.P) was shot in the head five times at point-blank range.
The national and local governments just had a special security council intended to address the incredibly high murder rate. This is a city of over two million, and there have been well over 400 murders so far this year.
This is not someone posting opinions on the Internet. It's all over the news!
Check this out:
http://www.citypopulation.de/Colombia.html#Stadt_gross (population figures for Cali as of the middle of last year)
http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/paisonline/notas/Marzo092004/A409N4.html (an article from a local newspaper)
I just checked the links - they work. Yes, the article is in Spanish. It's an online article from our local newspaper dated March 9, 2004, which outlines the state of affairs in this city.
434 murders this year, as of the time when the article was published. Yeah.
NOT "a very safe city" at all.
Now, is this city the equivalent of Beirut in the 1980's? No.
Bosnia in the early 1990's? No.
But is it a safe city?
NO!
Am I saying stay away? No, HOWEVER, everyone needs to know and understand that the city of Cali, Republic of Colombia, is not - as is evidenced by the above cited info - repeat not, a "very safe city".
Come down at your own risk. Be careful. Use your head. But then again, using common sense and knowing a few things about this city is no guarantee at all that you will be safe, it won't even make a difference in many, many situations. This is what I have always said to people when asked about the level of relative safety in this town.
No amount of flaming or endless conjecture will negate the facts I have stated.
Be safe y'all.
Okay, got a reservation to arrive Saturday night and will probably play it safe at first and stay at Intercontinental. Then if I meet a nice chica I can invite her over on Sunday for a leisure day at the outdoor pool for lunch. :)
Saint, I researched some of the past pages but could not find much in relation to prices (only saw Flores Frescas for 3 hours) or how much the Hotel Cali is for example. How about apartment rentals? Would be nice to have a little party on my last night there. Also, I am fluent in Spanish because of my background but don't look hispanic, just a white boy from Miami.
Is there like a particular area where all the clubs are like in Manila or Buenos Aires or is it casas spread out around the city? What are video bars and are they only in Bogota? How does the mall scene work, is it cherry picking like Ayala Mall in Cebu where girls are looking for you while you are out looking for them.
Also, is it true the departure tax is that high, $47!!! Then again, I may fall in love and never want to leave, possibly......
Saint ... regarding the departure tax ...
You talked about before how you went to this office in the airport upstairs prior to getting your boarding pass ... in this office they gave you what is called an 'exemption' of tax because you are a tourist.
Your departure tax cost about $25-28 ... your novia and her brother will most likely have to pay full price ... unless maybe you can BS your way for an exemption for them too because they're with you ... probably not but you never know.
Suerte.
Hysteromania,
In regards to prices, I thought I listed all that stuff. Most of the girls at FF seemed to all throw out the same price. 150,000 pesos ($56) for 1-2 hours or so plus you have to pay an exit fee of 70,000 pesos ($26) to pull them out of there. You can opt to see them in the club but I usually never do this. I don't like the dirty rooms at places and I prefer the atmosphere of my room. I usually go out and buy a TON of candles. The first thing I do when they get in my room is light all the candles, turn on music and give them a brand new toothbrush and sometimes I bring extra first class amentity kits that I get on American Airlines.
Right away it sets the mood and makes things really smooth and comfortable. It seperates the GFE session from the mediocre or rushed session. You are also signaling to the girl that you are attracted to her and you're treating her special. If you don't fly First/Business you can go out and make your own kit. Just go out and get a small little zippered kit and fill it with sample sized items like toothpaste, lotion, mouthwash, etc. I'm telling you I do this often and it works like a charm. The girls can't believe it! Definitely have music that you can play. You can bring a portable CD player or Ipod and bring external speakers. You MUST have music.
You might spend $10 or so on these kits but it's a great investment. Plus, it's a genuinely nice thing to do for them. It will distinguish yourself as a gentleman. (Of course if everyone does this I guess I won't be so special anymore...ha, ha).
*** Keep in mind that your experiences with FF girls might not mirror mine. I have pretty good luck. My buddy T.B.D. that is one of my best friends and has traveled with me some and met some of the escorts I ended up dating in the USA told me to emphasize in my reports that I have extremely good luck. It might not be as easy for some of you. I hope so though... ***
All the FF girls I saw were in NO hurry to leave. In fact, I was the one that told them they could leave in every instance. You set the perfect environment and they won't want to leave. Same thing goes for my apartment in BA. If they have the choice to spend the night in a crappy apartment that they share or a nice pad with lots of amenities they almost always will choose the latter.
The normal clubs are spread out throughout the city. Go back and do some research. Leo did a good job listing some of them in his report from last year. Take the time to go back and read. I didn't do the normal clubs because I was too busy.
The mall scene isn't what you think. These are just normal girls full of normal girls shopping, hanging out with their friends, eating and drinking. The girls aren't there to pick up guys. Remember there are virtually no tourists there so there are not really guys to pick up. These are for the most part sweet girls. Nope...no "cherry picking" going on. I'll emphasize unless you have some 'game' it's not going to be that easy.
Since you speak Spanish that will give you a big headstart. Don't be cheesy either. These girls are intelligent and can probably detect someone genuine from someone looking for a quick score.
As mentioned in my report, I paid no additional departure taxes by going upstairs and getting my passport stamped. The airline I believe already charged me $25 on my ticket and I paid no additional taxes. Good luck.
Hey Ricker,
Hola amigo. Nope. I won't be able to avoid paying their taxes. I'm meeting them in Lima so no biggie. I'll just give her some money for the taxes. I hope you're doing well. Hopefully we can hook up soon. I plan to head down there a few times depending on how things go with my novia. I also plan on coming down this summer and traveling to a few cities in Colombia. Let me know if you'll be around and want a running partner to go to a few cities. I have Medellin, Cartegena and Bogota on my list. Also, do you know anything about Armenia? Is it a really small town? Some of the hotties I met were from there. Thanks.
Mo714,
I definitely think I misspoke when I typed that. I think guys need to evaluate the risks and FACTS before coming to Cali or any other city in South America and especially Colombia. Obviously it's not as safe as other destinations. My only point was that it was NOTHING like the US State Department portrays things to be. They would have you believe that you are going to get kidnapped upon entering the hotel. That just isn't the case and if you live there you know what I'm talking about.
Sure Cali has crime. Sure it's dangerous. But I think you'd have to agree for the average tourist going down for a few days or weeks the danger isn't the same as someone living there day to day. I would venture to guess that most of your statistics are about locals. Still, thanks for posting that information.
It's good to have all sides of every story and all the facts when going somewhere. The other thing guys need to remember is if you have ANY doubts at all you shouldn't come. Part of the fun of vacations is to relax and have fun and not have to worry about anything. You can't quite do that if you feel like you have to look over your shoulder all the time.
Remember that bad things happen. You could get mugged, beaten or even killed in Cali. But you could get mugged, beaten or killed in Rio, Sao Paulo or even back in the USA. You could have been in the World Trade Center on 9/11 or on that train going to work in Madrid. There are no guarantees in life. Live life to your fullest. I won't feel guilty if something bad happens to you because you went to Cali. Only you can make the decision to travel and see the world.
Also, I don't consider that a flame at all. In fact, I think it's important for people to state their opinions. My posts are NO more important than anyone else's. We can all agree to disagree. As I stated many, many, many times. I'm only a guy with a few pesos in my pocket, that loves to travel, and I can sure type really fast. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Best of luck to all.
Saint ... just let me know when you're doing the Colombia tour and we'll figure something out.
Great idea about the little toiletries for the chicas ... I always bring a bunch of little boxes of chocolates you can buy in Walmart for about 75 cents/each ... the chicas love you for it.
Have fun in Peru with your novia ... I'm heading to Guatemala tomorrow for a couple days then off for a while to Colombia.
take care
About two years ago I made my first trip to Buenos Aires, Argentina. I fell in love with the city and the people there. It broke my heart to see so many people less fortunate than us. There are many children that don't have adequate clothing or food. Shortly after my first trip I had a goal of starting a non-profit foundation or charity to help out these people. I was surprised when Jackson (owner of WSG) was at my apartment in BA and told me that he was in the final stages of starting the same type of charity. I was amazed and touched that we had the same idea. There really was no need to redouble my efforts.
The news media likes to talk about a side of the hobby that the majority of us aren't a part of yet they don't talk about the other aspects. I'm not quite sure how much WSG Charities has raised over the past year but I'm proud to say that many guys have contributed. Some have made very generous donations of $1,000 or more. I think that's wonderful! There are so many guys that receive benefit from WSG. Directly and indirectly. I posted the following below and I would ask you to read it and make a contribution.
Maybe Jackson will decide to branch out and help feed the poor of other cities. I think Cali or other cities in Colombia or Brazil would be great too. After meeting Antifreeze I think maybe he would want to be part of something like this to help direct funds to those that need it. There is nothing better than helping someone less fortunate than yourself. Please give generously.
I know some of you will have the response, "yeah, I already donate to charities in the USA" or make up some other excuse. Many of us donate to charities in the USA as well but I'd ask that you consider helping out this cause.
________________
"Hi amigos. Some of you may be aware that Jackson has taken the time to start a charity to help feed the poor of Buenos Aires and the surrounding communities. It's ironic because we both had the same thought about trying to do something to help the poor of Buenos Aires. He was much further along and took a lot of time and effort to put it together. Several of you have emailed me over the past several months asking if I still had plans to start something like this. There is really no need to double my efforts as we have the same goal.
I am asking all of you that have received benefit from my posts in the past and all of you that have received benefit from WSG to make a donation. This probably includes just about everyone reading this forum. Even if you have no plans to visit Buenos Aires you have probably received an indirect benefit of living vicariously through members from this forum. I'm not asking you to contribute a huge amount although if you could that would be great. With the sheer number of guys that read this board all it would take is a small donation of $10, $15, $20, $25, or $50 a year to make a big impact. If you can afford it then donate a few times a year.
I'm sure many of you could care less about the poor of Buenos Aires. If that is how you feel than so be it. I strongly feel that everyone can afford to contribute AT LEAST $10 or $15 to this cause. Several of us at the Thanksgiving Dinner last year contributed money to help with this cause. I hope that in the next few months I see more and more people with a designation under their handle that says they have donated. I didn't even know Jackson was doing that but it's probably a good idea. I would personally feel offended if I'm down there and out hobbying with some of you and you didn't contribute at least a little to this charity.
I feel like I've taken time to contribute through my posts and I've never asked any of you for anything. This is the first time and I hope you can find it in your heart to help out. You can make a donation with Paypal.com and that is probably the quick and easiest way. (To make it easy for him you might want to include your handle with your paypal.com donation). Please keep in mind that this is Jackson's project and he is the one that took the time to put it together. I know he probably didn't want to solicit donations and he never asked me to. I'm asking on my own behalf. Thanks in advance for your generosity!"
Saint
www.wsgcharities.com
Dick for Brains
03-18-04, 07:02
Saint and/or Jackson,
Is there a way to donate money anonymously (w.r.t. our real names) yet to still attach our WSG handle to the donation? There may be many people who would donate if they were confident that it could not be used as a way to link up a WSG handle to a person's true name.
Thanks,
DfB
Dick for Brains,
Yes. You can send in cash to the address listed on that page or a Money Order. Send it to:
WSG Charities, Inc.
Post Office Box 899
Dover, Delaware 19901
Also, with paypal.com a little known fact is that you can actually change your personal account to a "Premium or Business account". You can change your personal account so that instead of your name. Anytime you send money it will say that the money was sent by "Dick for Brains" instead of your actual name.
Also, you can sign up for more than one Paypal.com account. As long as you have more than one bank account. I have 5 Paypal accounts. Yes, you heard that right. Another cool thing is you can get an ATM card for yourself and another 2nd ATM card. I have regularly done this for people that I have "sponsored". It's an easy way for you to send them money without paying huge Western Union fees. They only charge $1 for every withdrawal. I've been able to use Paypal ATM in every country I've visited except of course Cuba.
I've never given this 2nd ATM card to a pro-girl. Usually in my adventures I meet some nice girl that is studying or working a ton and can't get ahead. I have sort of a scholarship program where I either pay for her education or tell her I'll give her $X for X # of months. The cool thing is the card has her name on it. It's a Mastercard too so they can charge things. You can keep track of the expenses online. I make it clear they are to use it for the important things they need and not to go over their limit each month. You can control how much you put in anyway but I've never had a girl try to take out or spend more.
Just something to think about. I'm sure some of you have novias or amigas and this is a quick and easy way to send her money each month.
Good luck.
Saint, you gotta hook me with names of these girls from kaliente. PM me! I will check it out on my own too, but always good to know a name when you visit a new place. Good call on the toiletries and chocolate. I generally buy perfume as a gift for someone special and then get a cosmetic kit with little samples as free gift. Girls just eat this stuff up as they are generally big name stuff like Chanel, Gucci, etc and have enough samples to spread around.
Along with regalos, you can really score some points and the digital camera is imperative. She is impressed that the pic is viewed right there and then but even more so when you come back for round 2 and show her pictures of you and her together (clothed, mind you!). This blew some of my girls away and when I visited one casa in Manila, girl I picked already knew me because her best friend mailed her my picture. Was treated like a regular even though it was my first night at that casa. Needless to say, she wanted pictures of us together for her friend or to show off and make the other girls jealous, who knows.
Arriving late on Saturday night so may hit discos to try my luck and then hit a place like FF after I collect enough #s. Then Sunday begin calling and inviting to lunch or pool and see what happens. Thinking Sunday is best day for shopping for new shoes and maybe shirt or two and good excuse to strike up conversations with girls passing by or even store clerks.
I don't what it is about these women, which I assume are sweet and precious like many filipinas outside of Manila or AC, but sex is always better when there are intense feelings involved. Maybe I am romantic or sappy, who knows. I just know passion is intoxicating and invigorating, soothing and sensuous, yet mysterious and magical. After a session with a cute bunny, I feel a great charge like anything in the world is possible. That is how we get our head cluttered with thoughts like I could move here, teach English or work in a hotel, etc. But then reality kicks in and the relationship generally fades along with the suntan.
I wish I were rich, then I would be setting up a scholarship fund for those I thought genuinely deserved it!
Hey Hysteromania,
I'll email you those names. You're totally right in what you posted. You can always help in small ways. You don't have to be wealthy. I'm not a wealthy guy.
People will always find ways to make excuses or criticize others. Guys tell me I'm wasting my money, being a sap, whatever. There is a guy that works a normal job in the Midwest. He doesn't make a ton of money but every year before Christmas he goes to NYC and gives out money. Sometimes $20 bills...sometimes $50 and sometimes $100. He gives to those he thinks needs help.
Growing up my parents gave 10% of their GROSS income to the Catholic church. Personally I'd rather give that money to those that really need it instead of funding legal funds for some of those sicko priests. Help however you can. Even if it's just a little.
Good luck.
Saint,
"Growing up my parents gave 10% of their GROSS income to the Catholic church. Personally I'd rather give that money to those that really need it instead of funding legal funds for some of those sicko priests. Help however you can."
Remember, everything you give makes the recipient more dependent. Teach a person to fish and he will never be hungry.
I'd rather support poor working girls by helping them be productive. By training them to be good sex workers we are really helping the poor more than by gifts with nothing required. Moreover we are helping them learn to be a good fuck in the bedroom with their future husband.
Thanks npaul,
That has to rank as one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard in my life. Unfortunately it's what I've come to expect from a significant percentage of [Deleted by Admin] here and elsewhere. It's almost sure to be quoted in the next article about sexual tourism by the mainstream media which quotes things off this site all the time (I have recently seen two, a Canadian expose on Costa Rica and a write up on Nuevo Laredo's Boys Town.
Thanks for making everyone here akin to a clueless selfish loser.
If you're serious about helping and supporting a working girl, then support her efforts at education or getting herself a job in the normal workplace. Some girls have no interest in this, not when they're attractive and making big bucks compared to an office job and when they have multiple dufi sending her money from overseas. However, some girls do have an interest in this - and if you are truly interested in a girl for whatever reason, you should perhaps have her think about the future beyond her prime hoing years, when the overseas boyfriends will find new girls to send money to and certified sex trainers such as yourself will find new meat to fuck.
That's how you "help" if you're really interested in being helpful. She'll remember your heart a lot more fondly than your dick. Otherwise, just pay her the going rate, be generous in tipping if merited, but please just [Deleted by Admin] .
It's beyond insulting.
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NPaul,
I TOTALLY agree with Catire. It's guys like you that make me sad to be part of WSG. Fortunately there are many good guys. As I mentioned, I never give working girls this money. I give it to normal girls I find working hard to learn English or in school to better their lives. I give it to them so they don't have to worry about dropping out of school because they are spending a large percentage of their income on school.
By learning English they will improve their lives. Anyway, I'm in Nice, France now and having the time of my life. Damn, these French know how to live it up.
Good luck all.
If Sunday is your first day there, and you're looking to collect numbers of non-pros for dates (and you have some game and can speak the language), then Tienda Vieja is a must (Sundays only)! Arrive by 6p to avoid a line (unless things have changed since last summer).
This sucks, have to work this week so had to cancel trip. Would've been nice. Now I know so much about the city and how to get around, where to go, etc., it will feel like I've been there before. Hope to post a report later this spring.
Thanks, Saint and Catire, I totally agree with you guys that it is better to help the poor SW than to give money to the catholic legal defense fund to help some sicko pervert pork some young boy anally in the name of Christianity. Alot of the young girls who become involved in the sex industry are just trying to make ends meet and you are doing their families a favor by helping them be productive in some small way for the night. Its better than supporting priest'o'porkings.
Does WSG have a zero tolerance policy against depraved and intellectually insulting statements that suggest that fucking a prostitute is making her socially "productive", training her to be a good sex worker and helping them to be a good fuck in the bedroom for her future husband ? (all direct quotes/statements)
And if not, why not?
If the sky is blue, it's blue. If someone is better off shutting the xxxx up, then he should be told to shut the xxxx up.
If I post here only to be associated with those who voice opinions such as the one posted above, which make me vomit and I vociferously disagree with, while my posts are censored/deleted while the original one stands.
Then, maybe it's best that I NOT be associated with all the [Deleted by Admin].
Npaul I hate organized religion as much if not more so than anyone else but I can rest assure you that "we" are not in agreement on anything!
Adios!
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Catire, Saint,
Sex work is just another job - these girls are neither better or worse than other women. Of course to me they're 100 times more interesting than the rest, but I make no value judgements.
Personally if I were a woman in South America or Southeast Asia I would much rather be a sex worker than work in some sweatshop or even an office. Its actually a great job.
You need to get over your old fashioned virgin/***** mentality. What good is a virgin? What's wrong with a *****? And what business is it of yours what they do?
There is nothing wrong with any voluntary exchange of money for services between two parties - capitalism is always mutually beneficial.
then, maybe it's best that I NOT be associated with all the "wonderful people here"
Catire: I couldn't agree more with your statement! Even if you don't sign off for good, I have a sneaking suspicion that your days as a member on WSG are numbered. What a shame that'll be! I guess it will mean you'll no longer be able to do what you do best: whine, threaten, swear, smear, and hate!
Adios!
Well, I have been back in Panama City for a full day now from Cali. I dont even want to SEE a chic for at least a week, thats how much fun I had. Anyhow, just letting everyone know the report is on the way!
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opebo.
I don't disagree with almost everything you say, though I'm not sure I'd say it's a "great job". It's surely better than most alternatives, I'd agree, but ultimately that's a decision left to the girl. I think she can decide what is best for her, rather than you, or npaul or anyone else. Don't you find it strange, given how much superior this job should be, that most poor girls in most countries don't choose to indulge in it?
I also have nothing against (the opposite of virgin) and what they do.
If I did, I wouldn't cavort with them on occasion as I do.
but I don't make assinine and condescending statements like - hey honey, I'm training you to be a good fuck for your future husband and training you to be economically productive within our society.
while patting myself on my back for being responsible for so much "good" being done
(sarcasm)
I either shut up or talk about other, hopefully more pleasant things.
But I don't belittle her.
as to Gpiper,
Whining is an adjective for which you are ideally suited for.
I don't think it's applicable to me, however.
Swearing? yes. Whining? I leave that to you.
And, I only belittle and dislike idiots.
you're not suggesting you're an idiot, are you?
Perhaps there is a zero tolerance policy for self incrimination as well. I'd recommend you take advantage of it.
Dick for Brains
03-23-04, 06:54
Jackson,
Isn't there anything you can do to help out this thread?
Thanks.
DfB
Let's just all drop this nonsense. I guess it all got started by me asking you all to help out a good cause. Obviously that went wayyyy off track. Life is too short to fight with one another about trivial stuff. I just got back from the French Riviera and had a blast.
I think Jackson does a pretty good job of keeping these boards clean. It's amazing when I think about the fact that I think he does it all by himself. Think about it. There are NO moderators so he has the arduous task of monitoring EVERY single country.
People may complain about all the rules but it makes sense. This is a permanent archive and he doesn't want junk or non-sense to be a part of the posts.
It seems to me that people do a lot of complaining about WSG. They complain about the quality of posts, about being censored, yadda yadda yadda. Usually it's those people that have nothing to contribute and have the most to complain about.
If WSG doesn't make you happy, if you derive nothing out of it except for complaining, if it makes you upset. There is a really easy solution. Just STOP reading it. It's comical to me that the biggest critics of WSG seem to be the people that follow it the most.
Move on. Life is good.
Saint
Saint: I agree with you concerning Jackson. I think he does a great job and is quite fair. I do think may have at least 1 guy to help him out though: the honorable ******* on some of the DR boards. BTW, I'm a member of a few other forums and groups, but none can compare to WSG! It is the BEST!
I guess this board is for information, there is no need to spend too much time for all the non-sense stuffs, we are all adults here and we know what we should say and what not, however, sometime we say things we shouldn't. I am sure most of us going on this board is to share or look for info rather than giving people a lesson. This is one of the best boards around and it's free. Please lets keep this board clean and sharing great info once again as usual.
Let me starting by a review of my trip to Cartagena and Bogota couple years back. I know it's outdated but I just wanted to stress a point of how nice and friendly the people are in Colombia and how easy to make a date with the Colombianas.
English is not my first language so please pardon my writting skill. I was in Cartagena for about a week and my favourite spot was not any casa but eveywhere in town. I have visited casa Monuica, club international, cost was about $60,000 peso for the girl and $40000 for the house for 30 minutes. Each night there were about 15 girls around and 4-5 I would rate 7 and 1-2 I will give a 9. You can easily obtain phone # from these girls for the next day event or spending time at the beach, I did get some phone #s but never called beacuse I met girls from all over town.
Okay, you guys may ask where did I meet all these non-pros. I went to a casino at about 10:00pm one night and was talking to this woman on the table sitting next to me. She was 32 years old, I always like mature woman especially when she dressed so classy just like the office executive type, makes me honry. I communicated with her in her limited English and my limited Spanish. I spent about 20 minutes playing Poker and talking to her, I then asked her if she would be interested to go for a coffee and she immediately said yes. I was so excited and when we got on the Taxi, she invited me to her house and I said yes (it was a bit foolish of me, I might have been killed or something when I think about it now). I asked the taxi driver to stop at a gas station and got some refreshments and raincoats just in case she wants to get to know be better. When we arrived at her house, she woke her two daughters up and asked them to sleep in the next room, we had more talk and of cousre I had a wonderful GFE with her all night. She woke up the next morining at 6am to prepare breakfast for her two daughters and getting them ready for school, at about 7:30, she woke me up and to my surprise, she prepared me breakfast, I was shocked and appreciated very much. we spend few more hours at her house, looking at her albums and have more funs. We did exchange email address and she gave me her home phone # and a picture of her to keep. I realize she was hoping for a relationship with me but I didn't want to lead her on, so I only called her a couple of times afterward to say hi and let her know that I am not ready for a relationship with her. to be cont.......
part 2
I went to the beach bocagrande ( not sure spelling ) the next day to relax and get some sun, the beach was pretty quiet, often you will be bothered by the locals to ask you if you wanted to buy this or that, you can't really relax and enjoy a quiet moment. I did see some girls and they all looked tourists to me. I saw these two European girls passed by and one of them was really good looking, after about 30 minutes, one of the girls stopped by and asked me if I have a lighter, I said no and we chatted a bit and found out they are from Bogota and just down in cartagena for a week of vacation. I mentioned to her the other girl is very pretty and she asked if I'd like to meet her, it would be stupid to say no at that time. She wavied her over and introduced her to me, I spent some time with them on the beach and making out with the good looking one in the water. After an hour, I invited myself to her hostel, she did not object and we were in a taxi and her hotel room in less than 20 minutes. She was so honry and insisted me to go in without any protection. It was kind of tough but I managed to give her a DATY to satisfaction and received a BBBJ. Her friend came back to the hotel room after 2 hours with some fried chicken , we shared and no money mentioned at all.
The next day was my last day in Cartagena, it was a Saturday and I wanted to go to a local disco, I can't remember the name but I had a great time. I met this girl and her friends, we spent good time dancing, drinking and talking ( my limited Spanish ), to make the story short, at the end of the night, I didn't end up spending time with her but she promised me will meet me for breakfast the next morning before my flight to Bogota. She did show up at the mall I was advised to go and we had breakfast and some more talking with my limited Spanish. Too bad I had to leave after the breakfast for Bogota.
To be cont..........
Part 3
I finally arrived in Bogota for the last three days of my trip. It was a bit chilly in Bogota but the Colombianas still looking sexy. The first day I just hang around with the people staying at the hostel. They are good people but they were not looking for the thing I was looking for if you know what I mean. Most of them were with their girlfriend. So I was on my own the last two days.
The second day I was there I went to a mall in the zona rosa area, when I was outside the mall there was a girl approached me for direction. I answered with my limited Spanish and mentioned I do not live there and found out she was looking for a office building to drop off her resume. I told her I can keep her company and look for the place with her together, to make the story short again, we did spend some time at the mall shopping afteraward but both of us didn't buy anything. We then went to McDonald for some food and she had to go home on time otherwise her mom would kill her. She asked my hostel address and said she will look for me the next day. We kissed and said goodbye. I then went to a casino near by and play some roulette machine, I was talking to this girl works there as a coin change person, I can tell she likes me and I asked her for dinner after her shift. It was a nice time at the restaurant but I did not get to know her better, I didn't try as I thought she was a nice girl and didn't feel comfortable to move forward with her so soon. We kissed and said goodbye. I then went to another casino to play more roulette machince, you can tell I like this game a lot. I always look for opportunity or excuse to talk to local girls. I was in the casino for about 10 minutes and was already talking to this waitress passing by a few times for drinks, it just like in the States, as long as you gamble either at the table or at the machine, you will get a free drink. I invitied her for a drink after her shift at midnight. We went to zona rosa and spent about an hour before the bar closed at 1 am. Yes, all the bars closed early in Bogota. I didn't get to know her better as again I didn't ask because she was a good girl and once again i didn't feel corfortable to ask so soon.
I then took a taxi and went to one of the clubs but they were just about closing, a waiter working at the club still in his unitform told me that he knows a place still open near by, we walked for about 3 minutes and it was a house, you definitely need local people to show you places like this as we can't tell from outside of the house. We went in and I was lead to a room, there were about 15 girls came by one after one to introduce themselves, mostly 5-7, but one 8, of course I picked the 8. She sat down and I starting to negotiate with my limited Spanish skill, I was able to manage for a total cost of $10000 peso for her and exit fee for the night. We did have good time at my hostel and sent her home at 7 am.
I went back to sleep and I got a knock at the door at about noon, it was the guy working at the hostel told me that there is a girl looking for me. It was the girl asked me for direction outside the mall the day before. She asked me if I would like to go for lunch, I took a quick shower and off we went to a restaurant near by, the cost was $6 for both of us. We talked a bit and was holding hands the whole time but she has to go home at 2:30pm since her mom is very strict, she told her mom she needs to drop off a resume again that's how she can sneak out for a bit. I spent few more hours by myself before heading to the airport for my flight home.
These girls are very nice, please treat them with respect. I am sure if you speak fluent Spanish, it will go a long way. But you don't, just try ( need to know very basic words ) and you will still be able to meet girls and make a date without problem like me.
Tica Man
Ferolga777
03-24-04, 21:30
Tica Man
Thank you for the report. It seems like you had a fun time.
Ferolga
FYI. I can recommend the following florist for GREAT roses if you want to send that special girl roses in Colombia.
http://latiendadelasrosas.com/Net/index.htm
I looked at a few places online but this seemed to be the best one with good prices. A dozen roses is $71,000 ($27 US) with delivery. That's a pretty good deal. When I was in Cali I used a local florist to send a nice floral bouquet and I think it was around $38. I usually have pretty good luck finding florists in various countries as I tend to send a lot of flowers to amigovias.
My girl got the roses today and was blown away. She said they were very beautiful and the packaging was very detailed with lots of ribbons. Good luck.
Saint
Guys, does anyone knows if the Intercontinental swimming pool is accessible with a fee to non-residents ?
Thanks in advance
Pro
Has anyone fallen in love with one of these girls. I made the mistake of doing this and one year after I am out a lot of money but its not so much the money its the fact I was so stupid to believe this woman loved me. I am 47 and shes 23 I should have seen the writting on the wall. Such is life I would be interested in finding out if others have been scammed.
HappyC
El Cubanito
04-08-04, 00:40
Happy C,
Do not sweat it, man. It happen all of the time. There are guys on this board who will tell you that they do not fall for any of these girls. But believe me if you meet the right one who tickles your fantasy it cna happen.
But now forget and go back down and lay everything that comes in sight.
Forget! Like Spock told Kirk in one of the Star Trek episodes.
El Cubanito
PS I have inserted a pic of something sweet that I have in Cuba. She is 33 years old, but she is GREAT in bed and she makes me forget.
El Cubanito,
Thanks for your support and kind words I am trying to get back to being myself but I am having a diffcult time. I need to get back to the three F's Find Fork and Forget
HappyC
Dancesw/Chicas
04-08-04, 03:07
Happy C,
Sorry to hear that.
Is probably very clear for you now.
Cachaca Lover
04-08-04, 14:14
Happy C:
Yep, its happened to me a couple of times – you’d think I’d know better after a while. The first time I started sending money, but the second time, warning bells went off when she started asking me for money. I’ve had several since then start asking me to send them money for phone bills, to pay for medical costs for their mothers, etc etc etc. I’ve learned to firmly say “no.” Guess that means that I’m getting smarter as I get older, right?
Only once have I gotten the money scam and I learned my lesson, but I have fallen for a couple of these Colombianas. I’ve been traveling back and forth to Colombia for 10 years now, so of course its inevitable that would happen. I fell head over heels for a 24 year old last year, but she would accept no money from me at all. She had to be THE most beautiful Colombiana I had seen, so of course I went nuts over her. Unfortunately, she went back to Panama in January (she was back in Colombia for 5 months while her visa was being renewed) to work at Le Palace. We email back and forth and talk often on Instant Messenger. But she has 2 more years to go until she finishes business school in Panama, so its going to be a while until anything happens there. Meanwhile, I ran into an old “friend” last month when I was in Bogota, and we reignited some smoldering embers we had left a couple of years ago. Since the last time I had seen her about 3 years ago, she had gotten some enhancements done on her body, which looked great. So now we email and talk by phone, and I’ll be seeing her again for some extracurricular fun in May.
The Colombianas are so beautiful and so sweet and so attentive that it seems impossible not to become enchanted with them. I’ve worked all over Latin America and there is no place that even comes close to Colombia.
Cachaca Lover,
Its quite amazing I was given the same story that the grand mother was very ill and needed medical attention and the costs were very high that's why she was in the profession she was in. So like an idiot I suggested that I could take care of everything and she would have nothing to worry about for the rest of her life. I am fairly successful business person and this was the woman I was going to marry. I was going to invest a significant amount of money in a home, car etc boy was I an idiot or what. You right these woman are so sensual and attentive but I guess this is the culture and this is common in relationships. I am hoping to find a non-pro using Amigos.com. What are you thoughts on Colombian woman that are looking for partners through Amigos.com.
Happy C,
I've met hundreds of girls in the hobby. I've only fallen in love with one of them. I spent thousands of dollars flying her to visit me and the usual girlfriend type stuff. She never asked me for money and I've found the ones that are honest with their feelings won't ask you for money.
There are SO many normal girls that aren't in the hobby that are looking for a nice guy. These working girls are great in bed but few would probably be wife material. Be careful with feelings. Often times guys mistake a strong orgasm for being in love.
Love isn't impossible with these girls. It's just rare and remember that a normal relationship is tough enough these days let alone dealing with all the difficulties of a relationship with one of these girls we meet this way.
Not sure what your situation is but try signing up for www.cybercupidos.com I used to be on amigos.com and had great luck. I recently joined up to this site and in 2 days I have over 25 emails already. Most of the girls that have emailed me are HOT. It's funny that many send their phone number on the first email! Very interesting.....it's nice to practice my Spanish though. I've chatted with a few on the phone already and have invitations all over Colombia! Make sure you have a pretty decent grasp on Spanish though as 99% of these girls don't speak ANY English.
Also, another guy posted a brilliant post on another board I'm a member of. I thought it was great and probably soooo true. It was posted by a guy named SiempreHero. I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him but I think it will benefit lots of guys so I'm reporting here:
"Colombian girls are high maintance man. I am married to one, and she is not from Bogota's south side, but even a poor girl will have big demands when she comes here. Colombianas are GOAL ORIENTED. Let me tell you, these girls are wallet eaters, you not only have to be able to afford them, you have to LOVE affording them. Think of a man who puts all his money into an expensive car or yacht. You have to really love to spoil that girl. I mean: New Car, New Clothes every weekend, dinner out alot, travel to exotic destinations and a $$$ Allowance. I am not saying this is bad, it is the culture. I know some of the readers will write and say that not all the girls are likd this, but hey, i have known many many colombianas from all social classes and what i describe is a strong trend in any colombiana worth marriage. "
P.S. Happy C. Just take your time with these girls. Especially the ones from Amigos.com There are some sweet ones but there are also some girls just wanting a husband. I called one last night that was smoking hot. These girls have this sexy way of calling you "amor". She also asked me if I wanted to settle down and would I come see her in her town.
Also, for the Colombia pros. What's this expression I keep getting in my emails about media naranja? Is that some expression specific to Colombia? I've never heard it anywhere else. Just curious.
Cachaca Lover
04-09-04, 13:03
Happy C,
I’ve looked thru amigos.com but just out of curiosity, not to hook up with someone. I’m not really in the market for looking for a girlfriend. I do know some of the women who have signed up on amigos.com, and the ones I know are semi-pros or pros looking to meet a gringo and get out of Colombia. The ones I’ve talked to about amigos.com won’t even respond to an invitation from a Colombian, so draw your own conclusions on exactly what they’re looking for.
I talked with my current friend last night (the one I ran into after 3 years of not seeing her). We’re planning to get together in May. She has an 11-year old daughter, and her cousin just married a gringo who she met on amigos.com. I knew her cousin – in fact, I once had a threesome with her and her cousin a couple of years ago.
Saint seems to have had good fortune and also seems to have kept his head together despite the temptations of these incredible Colombianas. Maybe the webite he mentioned is worth a look. Let me know how you do.
When are you going to be in Colombia again?
Ferolga777
04-09-04, 15:21
Saint,
"Media naranja" as in "mi media naranja" means "my better half." It is standard Spanish.
Also, if you are looking for your "soulmate" you are looking for "mi alma gemela"
hope this helps,
Ferolga
Thanks ferolga777,
I figured it meant sweetie pie or something to that effect. Thanks for the direct translation. Funny but out of dozens of emails with girls in other countries I've never heard that expression. The girls in Colombia seem to use it quite a bit. Thanks again.
EZ Does It
04-10-04, 20:39
here is my two cents worth on marrying a colombiana or any latina for that matter and then bringing them to the states. don't even think about. all that sweetness, all the passion will fade very quickly.
they are only looking for a meal ticket guys! do not get fooled. especially if there is a 10 year plus age difference which usually is the case, she will learn very quickly that she can get anything she wants if she is hot. unless you are super rich she will usually end up with the highest bidder.
another point to consider is the fact that they are usually very hot only into their mid twenties (if they stick around) and shortly after that especially after kids and good old american diet and lack of basic activities such as walking (now they will drive everyplace), they are no longer hot or passionate . i have not met a hot latina over 30 especially after kids, for some reason the simply break down.
i am not trying to be negative but i could be awarded a ph.d. in the studies of foreign women and their metamorphisis once exposed to the american culture and peer pressures. i speak from experience!
my suggestion: enjoy the ladies, buy them gifts, even send them money from time to time if you really dig them because there are a lot of poor families(somebody from a rich family will not hook up with a gringo) and the older people do get sick and there is no decent health care for them. but do not spoil a good thing by taking them out of their environment .
on that note good luck fellows...i will be in cartagena visiting my novia starting april 16 for ten days. anybody who would like to hook up for a drink send me a message. ez
Hmmmm,
Well first of all everyone please forgive me. I have an EXTENSIVE Colombia report for when I was there a few weeks ago and have YET to post it. I am here in Panama City, and things have really picked up (chica wise), so most of my time is taken up by spending time with chica, working, etc. So now thats out the way.
OK, my feelings / experience with amigos.com. First off, as I am sure everyone knows everyone will have different luck with amigos so my experience dealing with it is just that, MY experience. Well prior to arriving in Cali I sent out about 100-200 notes to anything that was cute. I got about 25-35 responses in total. Once I arrived in Cali, I was honestly overwelled with chicas, the mall, the hobby, etc. So the amigos.com chics came last on my list, simply because I did not have much time for them. Well anyhow, towards the end of my stay I called the best looking 4. Ok, this is what happend with them:
1. Went over her place, we hung out, I went in for the kill, she claimed I was moving to fast, so after that night we obviously never spoke again. There are so many chicas in Cali, pros, non pros etc, so a chic saying you are moving to fast is someone who never gets a call back.
2. Met her for a night on the town, we went out, danced, came back to my place and fucked.
3. Repeat of number 2.
4. We met my last day in town, she showed around to some sites in the city. She didnt look that good in person, just not my type, and she did not seem serious about getting down to it, which was perfect. She was more of the good girl type. So we just went to the mall, and she took me around the city.
In closing amigos.com is a great resource for material (chicas), once you get some communication with them you can take it where you want. Obviously I had good luck with the chicas that I fucked from amigos, but once again I do not think it is hard to duplicate if you send to at least 100 plus notes to chicas (and thats a high number). Actually now that I think about it, if anyone is heading to cali soon and wants to get a jumpstart on amigos.com chics send me a PM. I will send you a list of the chicas I fucked and would have fucked if I had more time in Cali.
Cheers
Free Sex,
How does one use private mail to contact you?
Do you live in Cali?
I will be in Cali soon. I am looking at purchasing some real estate because I think prices are going up
Happy C
Glad you had fun Free Sex. I've met a few Amigos.com girls and even dated one of them. I really think if you hook up with these girls you have to be open and honest up front and tell them you aren't looking for anything serious. Many of them are. There are a few that are just looking for pen pals and will hook up when you're in town but many of them are looking for a serious relationship.
I think EasyDoesIt makes some good points. While I don't think it's impossible to work if there is not too great of an age difference, have some similar interests, etc., It's a totally different story once you get them here. Unless you have a girl totally in love with you for the right reasons the outcome could be disasterous.
I'm on amigos.com again after a 2 year hiatus and I've received so many emails from girls from Colombia, Venezuela and Cuba. The funny thing is I'm starting to get emails now from girls that are ALREADY here in the USA that got to the USA marrying some guy but are already divorced after only a short amount of time. Not all of them are gold diggers. I'm talking to one super sweet and from an affluent family but still. The odds are probably stacked against you. I'd be really curious to find out the % of gringo marriages that last more than 4 years.......
Saint
Hello,
I will be going to Cali soon and everyone here mentioned Hotel San Fernando is a place to stay. I was wondering if this place is a good location for action. If not, which area should I be staying, I heard Av Sexta, is this right,
By the way, hw far is Hotel San Fernando from the airport, and how much is the taxi ride.
Thanks in advance.
Tica Man
Ez Does it,
Great advice and perspective regarding marriage to any Latina.
Damn, thought I was the only person that knew about the accelerated aging of many, but certainly not all, Latinas. I have dated several over the years and have literally watched them 'deteriorate' right before my eyes. I might add that if one wants to bring a Columbian to the States, being over 30 years of age should be a prerequisite.
Ez
Tica Man,
You should not pay more than 30-35K (aprox $12-13 US @ 2500 pesos to the $) to your hotel Hotel San Fernando.
I generally pay 30K pesos to downtown Cali from the airport. You can take the bus I think for 2K pesos and then a taxi once you are downtown I would recommend this option if you speak spanish arrive during the day dont have much luggage and want a slight adventure. Depending on the time you arrive if you arrive at night take a cab.
HAPPY C
Thanks Happy for the info.
Do you know how far Hotel San Fernando from the action, is it a good location to stay?
Thanks again.
Tica Man,
San Fernando Hotel is in an area called San Fernando If I am not mistaken. It is on the way to the south of the city. It is a nice area. I like to stay in the west close to the Hotel Intercontential. Like the Dann Hotel or there are some nice hotels in the downtown area near Ave La sexta. Don Jamie is right on the strip. However too noisy for me. Distance is not an issue in Cali because taxis are so cheap. Downtown to you hotel should not cost you more than 5000 pesos $2 US at a bad rate of 2500 per Dollar. Taxis from point to point with the city is 2300 to 3000 pesos. All taxis have a meter and a bill card. Late at night they will propbably charge an extra 1000 pesos, I don't know why but this seem to be the norm. Use the ATM with a Visa card to get the best exchange rate usually 2650-2700 pesos the American dollar has taken a pounding since the war started. I remember last year I was getting close to 3000 pesos to a dollar.
When will you be in Cali I am trying to schedule a trip soon maybe we can meet for a beer.
Happy C
World Traveler #2
04-13-04, 21:21
Tica Man,
I have been in the Hotel San Fernando, but even though it's not too far from the action( that is the north area) is a nice place. However if you want to be in the center of things there are other hotels you can stay at, or depending how long you will be staying you can get an apt for the money that you would be spending in hotels and wouldn't have to deal with the restrictions if you want to have a reunion or bring girls. I like hotels but I found it more amusing staying in an apt due to several advantages. I usually stay at a place called Terraces, I forgot how you say it in Spanish, my interpreter and guide translates even the names, but he could get you in touch with the one person who rents these apts. It's a very nice place if you want to check it out and it's just right there close to sixth avenue and the west side, in front there's a beer place where collage girls go hang out on the weekend, ( In Cali according to my guide-interpreter weekends start thursdays and Caleños call Jueves(thursday in English) Juernes, as trying to make it sound as Viernes, which means Friday) If you are staying at least two weeks and your budget allows it you should consider this option, but I wouldn't know if they had any vacancies at the moment. I'll email you my guide's email address through private message, he might be able to help you if he is not busy with another client at the moment.
Good luck
Just want to add some comments regarding the women of COL.
I was in CTG for 5 days last week. I met a HOT 45 yr. old looking much younger. I'm mid-50's but look 40'ish. Yes, she is fantastic. Slim, 55 kg. She didn't ask for money after getting together 3 times.
She says she loves me. I'm afraid she will try to use it for her economic gains. Also wants me to get her US visitors visa. Any comments. I really like her.
Just to clear up some slightly misleading items of the last few weeks:
1. The name is Hostal San Fernando, not Hotel San Fernando. Still, it is a hotel (not a hostal) in the neighborhood of San Fernando. There is a Hotel San Fernando which I have never seen any reference to in WSG in the last 12-24 months, and taxi drivers have told me this place is a dump.
2. The add-on for a taxi at night, officially called 'recargo nocturno' is 500 pesos, not 1,000. Since you don't see the rate card, and since meters show rate-numbers and not fares in pesos, most taxis will overcharge you for both the normal fare and any add-on (e.g. night add on). Don't let them, unless you like to pay more than list price on things.
3. Using a visa card in an ATM is flat out stupid (unless it's an emergency). Use an ATM card. One with a VISA logo also implies it works on the plus network (vs. cirrus). Using a VISA card will cary a 2% or US$10 fee (which ever is higher) and you'll accrue interest immediately. Money is money, paying fees for obtaining money, when it's otherwise not required, is stupid.
Leo,
The charge levied on Visa depends on the issuer of the card. With my card you only pay 1% (with a maximum of Euro 1.36) if your account shows a positive balance.
Withdrawing money with my ATM card is much more expensive!
NYC EXPAT,
This is strictly for information purposes and not intended as a judgement of your situation. That being said there are plenty of Colombian or Latina looking 45 year olds right here in N.Y.C.
As far as the Visitors Visa or "Cita" as it is called in spanish.
There are two types "Tourist" and "Fiance".
Tourist- Will allow the women to come here on vacation.This visa can only be applied for at the U.S embassy in the womens home country. Besides the application it requires a face to face interview.
The cost is a $25 application fee that the women must pay at a bank before contacting the embassy for appointment. In addition there is a $100 non refundable processing fee that must be paid.
The $125.00 is probably what she was asking for. Which makes sense for 3 pops. As my Soprano friends like to say "You can pay me now or you can pay me later" sorry less I digress.
Once she pays the $25 to the bank and has a reciept she can call the U.S embassy for a appointment. At that time they will send her a application (which must be completed in English).
They will also give her a appointment for interview (about 5 min in duration and conducted in Spanish)
After the interview they will keep the $125.00, deny her application and send her on her way. We have to finance world domination some way!
There are however exceptions to every rule. It is possible to get a tourist if you can demonstrate the following.
1. You own a house.
2. You have a bank account with "Mucho Dinero"
3. You have a good job.
From my experience only the first two apply.
Which brings us to the Fiance Visa.
You can do this yourself or hire a agency (I have never done either but I am told the agency route is about $650.00)
This visa must be applied for by you.
Fiance Visa.
This allows your girlfriend to enter the country for 6 months.
If you marry her within six months she can stay in the country and apply for permanent status.
If you do not marry her she will:
A. Have to go home, never to be allowed entrance into our country again.
B. Simply dissapear to Corona N.Y. or where ever her husband, boyfriend or family lives. While you get to explain to the I.N.S.
There are many other conditions you must comply with:
A. Demonstrate you have a relationship with this women through letters,photos and travel documents.
B. Provide tax returns to prove you can support her.
C. Health certificates(no vd) and police reports for her.
If the idea of going thru this for a 45 y/o piece of ass is starting to bore you, imagine how I feel typing all this with one finger.
More info is available online at the U.S. State Dept. and probably has been written before by others on this site.
I hope this has been helpful.
Lima Busy
P.S. Recurdo mi Amigo! A chica is just as likely to say "te amo" to get a visa as you are to say it to get in her pants.
Ferolga777
04-22-04, 04:53
NYC Expat
It's nice to have a pretty woman tell you she that she loves you. Enjoy the affair. Love her.
However, I see no reason to bring her to the USA. Your concerns are valid. I have seen the problem of the woman that comes to the USA and gets what she wants and then dumps the guy so many times that it stopped being funny and now is just boring.
So, good luck. My best wishes.
Ferolga
Leo,
Thanks for your advise on the ATM card. I generally pay $1.50 transaction fee with Bank of America. Where can you get the best rate for American Dollars in Cali or other cities. I generally go to Caruaa in San Fernando ner the dog park there is a grocery store with a Bank.
Also thank you on the information on the taxi surcharge at night. How does one commuincate this in spanish to the taxi driver in spanish if hes trying to rip you.
HappyC
ferolga and Lima Busy
Thanks very much for your honest feedback. Especially Lima Busy with your informative post. It’s highly appreciated. All points taken to consideration.
I would like to clarify a few points. After being with her (non-pro) and never asking for anything, I suggested she came to the US on a brief holiday so we could be together since I had extra time in S. Florida before returning to Europe. The time could be used so we could get to know each other better. Of course I didn’t know the new requirements for visas.
I browsed the embassy’s website in Bogota regarding visas. I realize it isn’t as easy as I thought. I wrote her yesterday explaining the visa situation. She seems ok with it. I suggested we go together to Bogota when I return to CTG in July. No problem. She hasn’t asked for money. Sure, I will probably have to send $25 for the fee but I myself can pay the $100 embassy application expense personally when I’m there. Transport of course is also my expense. She'll need a return ticket to enter the US and it’s only a holiday trip at this time. I can afford supporting her on holiday in Florida for a week. So far so good.
If she starts asking for money then I know her true intentions and I can stop it before it costs a fortune. Guys, you are probably right but it is also possible her intentions are really honorable. They all can’t be gold diggers can they?. As for the age difference, I am not young in age, only in appearance and mind. I prefer a woman her age rather than a woman late 20’s, early 30’s for obvious reasons.
BTW, while in CTG, I met an American, 50, working in Bogota whom introduced me to his 26 yr. old GF. They have been together for 7 months and seem happy. He told she never asks for anything. He gives her taxi money for transport and an occasional gift. He said she is satisfied. I offered to give my new friend a gift. After some thought, she would like a pair of jeans. Cost about 120000 pesos, roughly $45. Reasonable I think.
Time will tell.
Ferolga777
04-22-04, 18:26
Lima Busy
That was a superb explanation. It should be on the FAQ.
ferolga
One correction to Lima's post: a fiancee visa (K-1) only gets you 90 days, NOT 6 months, within which to marry her or send her back else she becomes deportable and "excludable". You must submit an affidavit of support promising to repay the government for any welfare benefits or the like she might subsequently receive. She will have to pass a medical exam (at YOUR cost) that includes an HIV screening in addition to various other indignities. And the process is SLOW (though supposedly a bit quicker for East Coasters). All in all a HORRIBLE experience in bureacracy.
Anyone interested in a long term relationship or even a relationship period should spend adequate amounts of time with the girl. Getting a tourist visa for the girl is next to impossible. I've talked to several natives there that met all 3 criteria and still were shot down for a tourist visa. Sounds like the fiancee visa process isn't that difficult but it's a VERY serious situation and something that requires a lot of thought before doing.
My advice is to take some time off and either go to her city or travel around with her. I just spent a little over a week with a girl from Cali and discovered it wasn't for me.
We all are in different situations and I know it can work for some guys. I have really only talked to one guy that had the relationship/marriage work more than 4 years. I'm sure there are a lot more out there but most of the guys told me it didn't work out after a relatively short amount of time.
I've been going out to various places in Lima with pros and non-pros and it's fairly easy to meet the local girls. Almost all of them have told me they don't like the local guys. The highly educated girls like my two friends here said it's even more difficult to find a bright guy here that is worth keeping.
Good luck all.
El C:
Read my post more carefully please, I said to obtain cash from an ATM with a VISA is stupid. Using your VISA at point of sale (POS), given you have a 1% vs. 3% situation (e.g. all MBNA's are 1%) may be break even vs. the ATM given a $1.5 bank charge and maxing your withdrawl, depending on the FX your VISA and ATM bank use. I've found that my MBNA VISA rate is low enough vs. BofA's interbank rate that unless I can obtain a max withdrawl (in Colombia that would be 1,000,000 pesos if I remember right) I'm better off using the VISA. In summary, BofA's FX rate sucks I think.
Using a VISA to obtain cash (at an ATM or at a bank) will cost you a fee of $10 or 2% (I think), which ever is greatest, plus you'll begin accruing interest immediately.
Happy C:
I have BofA also. If remember right, there are like 5 ATM's within 2 blks of that grocery across from Karen's Pizza and a block from the park. One of the ATMs is across from the grocery in a bank/real estate office, and it only allows like 500,000 peso withdrawl, so I didn't use it. The green one in the little booth in the grocery parking allowed 1,000,000 if I remember right. The two on the main street, a block further from the park, were 600,000 max, I think.
I'm guessing they all have the same rate, which is determined by your US bank (BofA). The key is to minimize your fee.
Call BofA before you travel. Make sure they agree to waive all ATM charges they control (e.g. their charge per ATM - if the local bank also hits you with a charge there's nothing BofA can do). I was hit with the ATM charge (by the local bank) on every one of my withdrawls in Colombia.
OK, back to the girls (now that you have your money) ;)
Dear LEO and other cheapskates,
Stop taking up valuable board space with this crap about saving 1% or $1.50. My advise is travel, enjoy the ladies, and don't be an fn cheapskate about petty crap like this. After reading all these posts on Colombia, I'm willing to venture that You Leo are the cheap fuck who wanted change back from a $1000 peso bill (.30 cents US) at Flores Frescas.
This whole discussion seems stupid when you figure that on average you are only paying $30 US (or less) to get laid. This is further compounded when you figure that the average cab ride costs less than $1.00 US Dollar. If you all want to save $$ stay home and masterbate or start dating each other. You all can switch from pitcher to catcher (I imagine). Later!
Thanks Leo When next will you be in Cali maybe we can have a beer.
HappyC
Antifreeze
05-02-04, 16:52
Leo,
I would truly appreciate to know exactly where to find that ATM that allows up to 1000000 pesos. I live here, and going at the ATM to withdraw a max of 400000 kills me with the fees. Which Karens Pizza are you talking about? There are about 5 in Cali (or even more).
Thanks
Freeze
I think that is a mistake Leo. I used all those ATM's that you did and many many more and none of them would let me take out more than 400,000 pesos. Most of them only let me take out 300,000. That was something really annoying in Cali that they limited the amount you could take out. Luckily I have several ATM cards so I had no problems.
Antifreeze, if you don't have a paypal.com ATM card you may want to consider it. They are free and they only charge $1 to withdrawl money. I've never had a problem using it in any country I've been to except for of course Cuba. You can also have more than 1 if you have more than 1 paypal.com account. I have several paypal.com ATM debit cards linked to my accounts in USA so it's a good source of withdrawing funds.
Good luck and I hope you're doing well.
Saint
Jaimito Cartero
05-03-04, 11:57
Chorizo, is there any reason to post such a response? If someone wants their change, then they have a right to it. For guys who hit an ATM every day, the money adds up. Chill out.
Chorizo, your "dear Leo and other Jews" that you just changed in "dear Leo and other cheapskates" is NOT acceptable : I hope the administrator will ban you as soon as possible for those insults to a respectable and good added-value poster.
You're obviously full of crap, your five posts on the Tijuana thread as well, and believe me nobody will miss you.
Hey Guys (and Pro),
Listen. There is no need to get all up in arms over my statements. It's simply one mans opinion and nothing more. I think you all focus too much on saving a few centavos here and there rather, than having fun while traveling. Your main concern should be to have fun and not whether you can save .5 or .10 cents.
As for the Jews comment hey, its just a joke and nothing more. Take a chill pill. I do apologize to anyone who got offended.
Currently I'm planning a trip to Colombia and searching for info on the Ladies has become a bit challenging because, of all the other crap you guys (and Pro) choose to discuss on this board. I hate having to comb through hundreds of posts just to get info on the ladies.
I also believe that life is too short to worry about a few cents here or there. However, this board and life in general is NO place for ANY kind of racial, ethnic or religious slurs. "Joking" about these things is very ugly and anyone that does is ugly as well. JMHO.
No one, not even me ever posted with regards to saving a few cents, let alone the "$.05 to .10" you posted.
The main information in my post was regarding the choice of using the ATM over the VISA card - the latter could cost you an $80 fee with over $100 in interest if you pay a large monthly statement even on the due date.
With regard to saving on ATM fees, for someone going to an ATM a few times a week... that could easily add to 25 times in month (almost once a day is easy espcially in Cali where they have low max amounts permisable per withdrawl)... well 25 times at $1.50 from BoA and $1.50 from the local bank adds up to $75.... not a nickel or a dime.
As an example, a retired gentleman on fixed income social security retirement from a life of civil service serving his community, or high school teacher (either is a very important and well regarded career in my opionion) enjoying a long summer vacation, who might enjoy Cali as one of the few places he can take a 4 week vacation given his $40k or $50k annual budget... well he might find saving $75 nice. Even a banker or a lawyer earning six figures might wish to keep his $75 versus paying it to his bank for the priveledge of an account... not all like to 'waste' money paying fees that otherwise aren't necessary.
On a different note, regarding the fact that you're having difficulties finding info on the girls, especially on this site, it must only mean you haven't done your duty of reading past posts in the section, especially if you're ragging on me. I challenge you to find 5 other posters (yes, there have been a few, thumbs ups guys!) who have provided posts of detals and specifics greater than my post of July. Please tell us in your opinion which posts have detailed greater amounts of specifics on girls or places, pro or nonpro... names, addresses, girls' name, costs, locations, times, prices, rules, tricks, scams, etc.
AND TO CONCLUDE, COMMENTS OF PREJUDICED OR STEREOTYPING NATURE HAVE NO PLACE - ON WSG OR IN ANY POSTS OR SIMPLY PUT IN LIFE... so go get one.
AF and Saint you are right, I never was able to withdrawl 1mil pesos on one transaction. Your posts prompted to me to pull my receipts, and I see I was able to get 500k per card (two cards, thus my remembering getting 1mil) in one stop to the ATM.
This was the only ATM that allowed 500k (that I found).
The receipt says SERVIBANCA. I can only guess but I nearly certain remember it was at the green kiosk in the parking lot (next to the little food stand) of the supermarket two blocks from Parque de Perros in San Fernando. There is a Karen's across the side street from the market. There is an ATM across Cra 27 - not that one. There are two ATMs on 5th - not those.
I also remember that the max amount varried - some days only 400k, others 500k - I have receipts showing both amounts, in pairs per each day used.
This ATM is the most convenient of any choices if you're in San Fernando, perhaps staying at Rigo's. Let's see a report with an update frin someone.
Chorizo wrote "take a chill pill".
Take your remarks to another board.
Leo,
I was just there in March and that ATM didn't even work when I went there. I also have a Bank of America ATM and a few Paypal ATM cards as well as another from another bank. I think the times I tried it was out of money. I did use the one across the street but it only had a 300,000 max. It's easy to blow money in Cali if you're hobbying alot.
You're totally right. Usually the ones that complain the most on WSG are the ones that haven't contributed anything or the ones that don't contribute anything of substance.
There are so many guys that post countless posts to help other guys. It's amazing how much people still complain. Thanks for your past posts. Have fun I'm off to Europe.
Saint
i have yet to find any atm in colombia allowing more than 400k per withdrawal. in cartagena, they are all 300k, and in some shopping malls in bogota none allow more than 200k. while the banks claim these low limits are "for your security", i believe it is all about maximizing their fees. servibanco is definitely 400k (that is the one i use most frequently).
atm fees add up to way more than "a few centavos". both your bank at home plus the bank owning the atm will charge you fees in excess of a dollar for each withdrawal. but these charges still pale compared to cash advances or changing banknotes at cambios.
imho, racial, ethnic or religious slurs should not be tolerated regardless of whether the supposed intent was "merely joking" or outright hate speech.
on another note, hotel don jaime hit me for a 26k guest fee ($10) for the first time (though i do not stay there often as i have another hotel i prefer). it was a male receptionist (as opposed to the lady i remember from reception from past trips). this adds almost a third to your cost (rate is 74k before guest fee).
NYC Expat,
There has been some incorrect information posted about Fiance Visas.
The fiance visa is only good for 90 days.
They imigration offercier at the US point of entry will ask her ( and you independently- if you accompany herwhen) the wedding is scheduled. They can and do deny entry to people if they feel it is n ot a legitimate visa.
Once you marry you file the forms with the local office and your new wife has temporary resident status for two years. After two years she can apply for permanent resident status.
You are on the hook for here for the two years that it takes for her to get a permanent green card. The documents that you file for her make you financially responsible for her. If you can not cover her under your insurance plan, you will be responsible for any medical bills she incurs.
Don
Dollar Bill
05-06-04, 21:02
Servibanco (or the green ones) also let me take out 300K or 400k per transaction. However, there was an option for "multi-transactions" and when I used that option, I could do that 3 or 4 times and get out a few hundred dollars to last me a day or two. I think I remember it only charging me once for several withdraws when done this way.
Cali is a beautiful city, with beautiful women. Going with 4-5 women per day does add up. Even with the "very reasonable" prices, you might as well try to save a few dollars and get the extra girl instead of the bank getting the money.
Hey Surfer - that guy at HDJ is named Winston and I think he is the night manager. Usually, I would slip him a few dollars and he always looked the other way. I am glad that you are back from your last venture to the country south of the NORTH POLE. mumms the word! :-) (send photos to my e-mail PLEASE!)
Dude go to CitiBank! It will even give you the amount in dollars!
Vallenato aka El Negrito
Harold Rivera El Nuevo Rey Vallenato
I`m in Cali right now. Sorry guys not much news to post on mongering (being trailed all day by my chica`s brothers), but I just wanted to add that the Banco de Colombia ATM near Puente La Luna in La Luna says that it allows withdrawals of 1.2 million. So probably this goes for all Banco de Colombia ATMs. Haven`t tried to withdraw that much though, because imho it`s safer not to walk around with that much of money on you.
Please provide the location of the Citibank. What's the max withdrawl?
But then, what good are US$s in Colombia?
And for everyone tired of financial discussion (although it's certainly linked to scoring P4P now isn't it?)... I'll be visiting this month and be happy to provide a small report.
Dear Leo,
Please enlighten us, upon your return, with such great tips as, switching from two-ply to one-ply or how to recycle used condoms. I’m sure that the $1.50 an average school teacher will save each month from doing so will greatly improve the quality of their lives.
What I have found to be an effective way of saving money in my travels is carrying my own paper towels. I usually take them from the airplane restroom on my flight in. That way when I go to the rip-off clubs and that annoying bathroom attendant tries to give me a paper towel I just rip out my own and laugh and keep that peso in my pocket. I just thought that I would share my own money saving plans with you guys. I know that after I have spent $5-700 on airfare and a few hundred on a hotel room I just can’t seem to get it up unless I know I’ve saved $1.50 somewhere. I would just like to thank you guys for taking up the last page plus arguing over the daily limits on the ATM machines and how much you can save per transaction. Those other jerks were tying up this space with information about girls and stuff.
Greetings,
I've received so many complaints about thie report that I'm just going to post my standard response here and spare myself all the time responding individually:
I reviewed the report and I agree that the author was somewhat abrasive in making his point. However, as a technical matter, I didn't actually read anything in the report that would constitute a violation of the Forum's No SPAM Policies. Specifically, I did not actually find any derogatory or racist words that by themselves would be violations of the Forum's Policies.
I appreciate that you personally may be somewhat offended by the author's perspective, but I'm sure that you can also appreciate that the very nature of the WSG Forum requires that the readers keep their "sensitivity radars" turned down.
I encourage you to continue monitoring this member's reports, and if he begins posting more offensive material, please let me know and I will take the appropriate action.
Thanks,
Jackson
I note you don't include yourself in the group that ties up the space with useful information. Why don't you take a crack at contributing any useful information sometime... maybe travel to Cali and post a report... maybe post a report on any destination (other than your TJ info, btw thanks).
If the community prefers, I'll not post a trip report and instead email it to the Cali section regulars and friends... let me know.
Troll, get fuck off this board.
Ferolga777
05-09-04, 06:01
Hi,
Chorizo's sarcastic statements are inducing Leo to not post his report. That is not a good thing.
I got no beef with anyone. But getting cranky at someone because they are posting information that is useful to some, though perhaps not to all, seems to me uncharitable and useless.
I look at these boards as places where I get ideas for when I travel. Not as a replacement for travel. So, if someone is not providing that vicarious thrill for you, my advice is to book that ticket and go live your life.
Leo, I'll accept that report if you won't post it on the board. Thank you.
Ferolga
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Antifreeze
05-10-04, 15:07
I truly appreciate the ATM talk and want to get to the bottom of this. Thanks to the infinite greed of my US banks, I pay up to $150 of fees every month for ATMs (that is half of my rent for my 2000 sq. foot appartment). Needless to say that it affects my lifestyle by taking that money away from me. Contrarely to some 'people''s input, this is not in the same categrory as saving on toilet paper.
WSG is filled with narrow minded, uneducated, selfish and rude people trying to find their way through unattainable happiness by traveling to Colombia and meeting with a lady that they wouldn't deserve in a thousand years. I personaly decided to stop posting on WSG since there are too many of these sub-humans that do not deserve any help whatsoever to travel.
On the other side though, I had the chance to meet a few of great quality both online and here in Cali. So, there are some chances that I can continue participating in some interesting talks. ATMs is at the top of my wish list for the Cali thread.
Don River and others.
Many thanks for your feedback and comments. It's highly appreciated.
The American Embassies in the respective countries has much information if anyone else has these thoughts.
Ferolga777
05-10-04, 18:41
On the topic of ATM
I don't have a Citybank account. But I noticed Citybank has branches in Cartagena, Bogota and Medellin. I guess there might be one in Cali. If so, would it be cheaper to make withdrawals if one had an account with Citibank?
Who has an account with Citybank and do they get charged when they withdraw money overseas?
Ferolga
Simple Man
05-10-04, 19:04
I think that some people on this board really need to relax. If you want to discuss ATM fees, discuss away. I personally find this pretty boring, but, hey, to each their own.
Leo, if you want to post a report on your trip to Cali then post one, and I am sure we will all gratefully read it. Please, however, spare us the melodramatic "I'll take my ball home" attitude. If you don't like how someone responds to one of your posts ignore them or respond to them, whatever you want, but don't be a drama queen hoping that others will run to your defense to avoid losing your fount of wisdom. Posting a report is at your pleasure and discretion.
Antifreeze, I am sure that you are a nice guy but some may say that calling people narrow minded, uneducated and selfish is fairly rude in and of itself, particularly when you have never met them. I also doubt that you are really in a position to determine what others deserve. Again post and participate if you want, or don't, the board will be here either way.
Chorizo, you shouldn't use racial slurs and stereotypes and you should follow your own advice on the "chill pill."
If you want to know a bank's policy regarding ATM charges in foriegn countries you're probably better off contacting the bank, this will likely be more reliable than someone elses recollection of their experience.
Just my opinions.
On this topic, i should be interested to know what is the usual amount of cash (€ or us$) that Change Houses can accept, what seems to be their maximum, and are the ones in the airports or in the malls usually the safest ?
Thanks
Rabo Verde
05-11-04, 05:42
Anybody know a good cheap place I can get my shoes shined in Cali? I don't want to pay more than $2.
Simple Man
05-11-04, 06:14
Funny thing happened on my way to the ATM...I got laid.
Simple Man
05-11-04, 06:27
Hey Chuponalgas,
What I like to do is get a girl from Kaliente for 3 hours I make sure that we're through with the luvin in an hour and a half. That gives her and hour and a half to do my laundry, fold my clothes and shine my shoes. Just a little tip.
Simple Man
05-11-04, 06:28
I would like to apologize for actually mentioning a gentleman's club in my last post I realize that this board has tried to stay away from such issues recently. I will try to avoid the mention of such places in the future. I really like the green ATM's with the little curtains.
Simple Man
05-11-04, 06:32
Upon further review I realize that I also recently made a comment along the lines of "I got laid" and also mentioned a "girl." Again I apologize. The red ATM's with the like native guys face are cool too. And I really like the change houses. Thanks.
Change Houses? ATM’s? Bank Fees? How about discussing something important like French Showers (they save money and water)? Oh. how about coupons? Does anyone know which Cali Newspaper has the best coupons? Also, I need a good butcher.
Well apparently that nut Chorizo was right. This forum is being filled with mindless dribble. Hey, how about discussing the ladies (places to visit, quantity, quality, and prices).
All other matters are probably best discussed via private message.
Frijole and Simple Man, i think you're quite fast for targeting as BS the things which set aside one meter from your own preocupations ("quality, quantity and prices").
No need to be ironic or condescending with Leo and Antifreeze : they are two of the people who have made this thread a valuable resource for people who actually are interested in Cali and they have always been in this thread the most informative posters on many subjects ;
Thanks to them and some others, ALL the information is there and in one place.
As for the personals preocupations on various subjects beside P4P, sure there is plenty of that : WSG is, happily, a community of sorts (see Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo threads) ;
Furthermore anyone who actually reads the thread from start to finish will likely be surprised at how much usefull information is there and how well folks have managed to stay on track.
PS : French (as I am) do take showers, this thread is IMO not full of mindness dribble (except for unusefull and offensives posts) and Chorizo is a troll full of crap, despite what you can say.
Simple Man
05-11-04, 17:10
Well Pro,
Thanks for your reply. But I also have posted information on this board including addresses, telephone numbers, etc. And unlike some of the other posters, I have responded to PM's and provided additional information when I had such. I in fact responded to some of your questions in this forum. I have not had the same response from other posters that apparently consider themselves to be somehow elite. Also I have had the experience of going through page after page of reports to find valuable info and then find out that the poster left off address or telephone info, I try not to do that to people.
As for the whole ATM subject, a two minute search on the CitiBank webpage would have revealed that, if you have a CitiBank account, you can use over 800,000 ATM's worldwide, including two in Cali, WITHOUT PAYING FEES.
Antifreeze I am sorry that one of the subhuman, narrow minded, uneducated, selfish and rude people had to find this out for you. You could have been saving $150.00 a month. Aren't you a little embarrassed that a cretin discovered this for you?
Why not try to find out simple facts before you post a long string of BS on a collateral subject. Then maybe you could post the answer.
Regarding who to thank for all of the information being in one place I would suggest you give your gratitude to Jackson, whose efforts maintain the World Sex Guide, not the International ATM Discussion Group.
I think that Antifreeze's post actually speaks for a number of the posters, who apparently think that they are somehow better than everyone else. Well fellas, unfortunatley, none of us are that important. Whether or not any of us are here tomorrow everyone else will press on.
Also I do not think that I was being either ironic or condescending in my previous posts. I think that the actual word may be sarcastic. (Now that was condescending, isn't it ironic.)
Hello Gentlemen (and Pro)
Well here is my problem with the WSG’s current trend on posting stuff that is not directly related to the Ladies. I’ve been mongering for over 15 years. A friend of mine, Chuponalgas, is the one that introduced me to the WSG. As a new member, and a first timer heading to Brazil, I thought I’d use the WSG’s resources. Well much to my surprise the site was filled with worthless crap. Needless to say it made my search for info on P4P quite frustrating. It took me well over two hours before, finding one useful post. This unfortunately, has been my experience on various other sections (Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, etc.). Thus, I do agree in part with Chorizo that all this other crap about ATM’s is taking up valuable board space.
Dick for Brains
05-11-04, 18:03
Frijole,
Keep in mind that "peripheral" discussions often can have a large impact on one's experience when mongering away from where one is familiar. Information on safety, for example, can prevent an outstanding vacation from turning into a horrible one. Similarly, it's nice to know if it's necessary to bribe some local official when confronted abroad.
Perhaps this ATM discussion has gotten out of hand, but discussions other than purely about chicas can have a big effect on one's chica experience.
Just my 2 pesos.
DfB
Antifreeze
05-11-04, 19:24
Simple Man,
A 'dog' needs to be named a 'dog'. We need to name things as they are in that complex and confusing world of ours. I am sorry to say that Chorizo is a complete idiot to think that he can say to someone 'Peter (or whatever) and other Jews' without having any other reaction than what happened on that thread afterwards. Even worst to think that it was a joke. The last thing it is is a Joke. First, it insults 'Peter' (do not remember who it was intended for). Then it insults the Jews. But overall, it gives us a clear picture of its caracter. This was so out of line, that there's really no recovery from it. He is welcome to register under another name and start from scratch, but in my book Chorizo is done with.
And yes, I feel totally superior to this person, and do not mind saying it loud and clear. If you look back to all the threads I've participated in, I called 2 persons idiots: Chorizo and Munjo Raising, and they deserved every bit of it.
Sex is one aspect of our lives, sex is not the complete foundation of our lives. Other than sex, we need many things in life that is worth talking about.
Thank you for your CitiBank tip, but I sadly do not have a CitiBank bank account. That leaves me back to square one. I will try to check the Banco Colombia near Punte de la Luna to see if it is indeed true that one can withdraw 1.2M there. I will post my findings afterwards.
All,
BTW, the Internet is built around the fact that one can get information on demand. WSG is about sex, I agree, but too many times one needs to pay for sex. So taking some time to talk about ATMs is not off the point. As long as we try to achieve a clear objective. This thread's objective is clear: lower the bank fees.
If you do not like it, look the other way... I personaly do like it and feel that we're close from achieving that objective.
Freeze
Jaimito Cartero
05-11-04, 20:27
Frijole, well trip reports are nice, but there is often lots of "noise" that may be distracting. If there is a FAQ for a section, always read that first, as it will give you a good basis to start from.
For a site as you describe, you would have to have some heavy handed forum "minders", and it would quickly become a tedious place. I'm not familar with any of your reports, but would say that if you want to see good reports, you should write good reports and give everyone an example to emulate.
When you read a newspaper and want to read the comics, you may have to look through the whole paper to find it. I recommend starting to read a section you're interest in a least a month before you go. That way you have plenty of time to absorb the details, ask informed questions and so forth.
Although I've never been to Cali, it's on my list of places to go to, so I check out the posts so that I have a good idea of what to expect when I go.
For those of you who don't like a particular post or actually those who don't think a post pertains to them ... i.e. ... doesn't contain info that they think is usefull to them ... simply quickly scan the post and move on.
No need to 'dog' anyone. There are thousands of posts in this guide that I don't care about but no big deal ... I just scan till I find the info I want.
If you think about it ... there's more 'unnecessary' posts of guys 'dogging' other guys than anything else.
If you don't like the WSG ... adios to ya!
Ferolga777
05-12-04, 02:28
Chuponalgas said:
"Anybody know a good cheap place I can get my shoes shined in Cali?"
I don't know about Cali, but in Bogotá I haggled the bootblacks from a thousand pesos to 700 pesos.
The term in Spanish for a shoe shine is "embolada" or "lustrada."
Ferolga
Jaimito EL Cartero,
First and foremost, let me just say that I respect the opinions of others on this board. However, I do believe that we should always be considerate of new members looking for information. Not everyone has the time or the patience to comb through hundreds of posts just to find an address or other related information on a particular cat house. I recall my first experience on the WSG being quite terrible. I would like to ask you to see my report on Cali and Medellin (also see Simple Man’s). I think both are great examples of the stuff we should all try to focus on. Other issues, such as ATM’s, Change Houses, Shoe Shine’s, etc., should be kept to a minimum, in my humble opinion, and pm each other with that information. I usually try to respond to a particular query sent to me via pm within 24 hours.
Ricker,
Regarding your last statement, “If you don’t like the WSG ... adios to ya!”
Well I respectfully disagree. I think that we can all make the WSG better. I welcome the criticism and ideas of others. I think Chorizo has a right to express his opinion, good or bad, as do I.
One thing that always upsets me is when Members do not share the addresses or telephone numbers of establishments they write about. I’ve emailed several members regarding such issues and they have never responded to any of my pm’s. Thus, on my last trip to Cali and Medellin I made sure to give addresses and phone numbers.
Furthermore, I think that pointing out to other members that they are getting off the main subject (the Ladies) a bit too much is a valid complaint. I regularly visit sections a week or two prior to my visit. I’m currently looking into returning to Cali later this month and I just wanted to see what new info, if any, was out there regarding some of my favorite places. However, all I saw were pages full of ATM info.
Chorizo,
Although, your opinion is valuable, you should choose your words carefully. Otherwise, no one will listen to what you have to say.
Simple Man
05-12-04, 05:44
Just some places people could check out if they are going to Cali.
FLORAS FRESCA or LA MANSION ROSADA, as some cab drivers know it: Calle 20N No.4N-16, 660-1958
Kaliente Club: Calle 25 Norte No. 2 Bis - 47, B. San Vicente, 653-6832
Jhon Davis: Av. 2 Bis Norte #28 –47 661-6282
El Eden, Calle 5, No. 63A-19, 551-1775
Hero's Club, Cra. 30 A N0. 7-73, 557-4391
Club Social Dina's, Cra 50 No. 10-31, 553-5007
Venu's Club, Carrera 66 No.9-61, 330-1104
Suenos, Cra. 44, #5B-79, 551-7748
Clinica Del Dr. Amor & Another, Av. 2N No 23-37
Pharaon Calle 2 # 23-48, There are at least 4 other houses within 5 blocks of Faragon, but I lost the names and numbers, sorry.
Ferolga777
05-12-04, 12:04
H-e-e-e-ey!
How about preparing a FAQ for Colombia? We have enough addresses now for that.
Ferolga
Frijole ... yes, I have to agree with you ... the WSG is a better forum when people express their feelings and opinions ... you are correct.
Just like in real life, however, one shouldn't attack others and use over-sarcastic remarks and racist tones.
People will value an opinion when it is given respectfully, otherwise it's just wasted space.
I stand corrected in one respect ... thank you, you make a good point.
However, for the nasty, arrogant type ... just like in real life ... they serve no purpose. Adios to them would be nice.
Enough said I guess ... let's get back to "chica talk"
Antifreeze
05-12-04, 22:04
I went to the BanColombia near el puente de la Luna, and the max is 400 000 pesos. So, it is not 1.2 M pesos as stated.
Will keep on searching for a solution.
Freeze.
Antifreeze,
As I said in my message I didn't withdraw the 1.2 million from the Banco de Colombia ATM on Calle 13 (because I have brought sufficient Euros with me on this trip), but after a withdrawal of 300.000 I definitely saw on the screen that withdrawals of 1.2 million per day were possible. It might be that you should make 3 withdrawals of 400.000 then.
However, on my previous trip (Jul/Aug 2003) I didn't bring so much cash and one of my novia's houses needed some repairs and I withdrew amounts of 1 million pesos and 2 million pesos from several banks on several occasions both in Bogota, Cali and Armenia (as you can seen from the Visa statement), making the withdrawals from the counter WITHIN THE BANKS. An added advantage is that this is safer and cheaper!
Chao
Dear Antifreeze:
Let me get this straight, you went to the BanColombia near el puente de la Luna, and the max is 400 000 pesos. So, it is not 1.2 M pesos as stated. WOW!
Thank God you will keep on searching for a solution. I can't wait!
Simple Man
05-13-04, 05:36
Here's some info that a friend from Colombia e-mailed me, I am just cutting and pasting his list so I am sorry if anything is inaccurate.
An internet site for escorts in Cali.
Las Profesionales (www.lasprofesionales.com)
(315-574 85 43, 310-371 59 35)
Another agency:
Fantasias Internacional (www.fantasias-internacional.com)
Calle 13 #22a - 44 Barrio Junin (514 2159, 557 1833)
Cra. 23 #9e - 91 Barrio Bretaña ( 557 4672)
$80.000/hour (out of house), $50.000/hour (room, jacuzzi, girl), $40.000/hour (room, girl)
And some casas:
Geisha’s Club
Avenida 2E Norte #24N-114 Barrio San Vicente (682 3164)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour
Albaricoque Club
Avenida 2E Norte #24N-76 Barrio San Vicente (681 3427)
$45.000/hour & $35.000 ½ hour
Cristal Club (Open 24 hours/day)
Pasoancho & 72 near Davivienda (331 7963, 333 6827)
$72.000/hour & $42.000 ½ hour (BBBJ depends on which girl you talk to)
Vannessa’s (Open to men and couples)
Cra. 32 #6-42 Barrio Los Cambulos (556 5321)
Cra. 40 #9-14 (551 1644)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour (BBBJ depends on which girl you talk to)
Eros
Cra. 30A #7-73 Barrio El Cedro (557 6918, 557 4283, 557 4391)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour
Amores
Avenida 3 Norte #47CN12 Barrio La Merced (683 0494)
$35.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour
Dinastia Club
Calle 48 #8a-08 (Near Air Base [438 7618])
$40.000/hour & 30.000 ½ hour or $80.000/hour for 2 girls at once
Club Social Dina’s
Cra. 50 #10-31 Barrio Villa Depal (553 5007)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour
Apolo’s
Calle 15 #21-78 Barrio Guayaquil (557 8572)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour
Chicas del Norte
Avenida 2Bis Norte #28N57 Barrio San Vicente (668 1191, 660 0134)
$60.000/hour (out of house), $45.000/hour & $35.000 ½ hour (in-house)
Complete service includes nude massage, oral sex and vaginal sex
Florecitas Caché
Calle 36 #34-40 Barrio La Gran Colombia (335 94437)
$13.000/hour (nude massage) --- anything “extra” is negotiable w/individual girl
Sueños
Cra. 44 #5B79 Barrio Tequendama (551 7748)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ½ hour
Cra. 24 #51-79 Barrio Nueva Floresta (444 3378)
Nude massage 1 girl/$12.000 or 2 girls/$15.000 w/handjob included
Any additional services can be negotiated individually w/the girls.
Cra. 39 Pasoancho #13-71 Barrio El Dorado (335 7948)
$32.000/hour or $21.000/ ½ hour (room included)
Usually there are about 9 girls on duty.
Calle 9B #20-25 Barrio Bretaña (557 5409)
$25.000/nude massage w/hand job or $50.000/complete 1 hour service
Calle 23 #18-81 Barrio Las Casas (683 5240)
$20.000/hour or $15.000/ ½ hour for 1 girl
$30.000/hour for 2 girls at once!!! J
Calle 9B #19-48 Barrio Bretaña (554 3214)
Nude massage w/handjob $12.000 for 1 girl or $15.000 for 2 girls
Any additional services can be negotiated individually w/the girls.
Smaller business w/only 5 girls, open 9am – 8pm.
Calle 15 #21-78 Barrio Junin (557 8572)
$40.000/hour or $30.000/ ½ hour on location, $60.000/hour if they come to you.
Ferolga777
05-13-04, 11:16
Chorizo
I didn't want to do this, but, I now see no choice.
I SHUN YOU!!
Ferolga
Antifreeze ... I've been reading your reports for some time now and I want to thank you for all the Cali info you've posted.
Chorizo ... let's just say ... you're one of those people that just don't get it. Chao!
Ferolga777
05-13-04, 12:26
Simple Man
Thank you for the information. It should come in handy. I like lists. It's just easier to print out and keep in you wallet.
Ferolga
Antifreeze
05-13-04, 14:47
Simple Man,
That list is Gold! Thank you. As soon as I'll be done with that colde of mine, I'll have to go and try the ones I did not know about in there.
Thank you again. The addresses are really great and makes it easy for us to check it out. I'll post reports on my experiences as I'll head there.
Freeze
Travel Addict
05-13-04, 17:04
Simple Man,
How about some heterosexual places?
antifreeze: hope you feel better soon my friend. i am sure you noticed that the list below includes the place that was recently raided for having **** providers.
all: several of these places are in dangerous areas far south of the river and far from the relative security of the zona norte (avenida sexta area). best to go in a group, do not wander about (just go straight from taxi to entrance where you will be frisked for weapons (most locals do carry a pistole)) and do not even consider it without good language ability. also, do not think you will get floresfrescas' or escort quality chicas for 30,ooo/hour at a southside casa. yes there is the odd gem to be found amongst the rhinestones but you will spend lots of time
and $ trying to find them.
chorizo: i hear there is an excellent brothel on the carretera sur about 20 minutes past jamundi but have never had the time to check it out personally. perhaps you could check it out and report back.
Simple Man
05-13-04, 19:39
Travel Addict, What with your preoocupation with anal sex and snapping sex photos with your male buddies, its no surprise that you are confused regarding the meaning of heterosexual and homosexual. Let me help you out heterosexual is man-woman as opposed to homosexual man-man or woman-woman. I know that you might be a little upset and disappointed now that you realize that all of this homosexual marriage stuff in the news actually effects you. For that reason I suggest that you wait a few days before you break the news to you life partner (Let him enjoy the weekend at least.) Hey, by the way, nice tattoo.
Simple Man
05-13-04, 19:51
hey surfer,
if you have specific information regarding some of the places on the list, why not give that information? as i said i just cut and pasted the list from an e-mail sent by a friend. if you have superior knowledge why not share it instead of speaking in generalities? as far as traveling around town looking into different casas i have done that several times myself, the only thing it has cost me is cab fare which is pretty cheap in cali. i have also found places that had hot 18-20 girls for $30,000cp, which information i have posted. if one of these places got busted for **** girls, then why not tell the rest of us so that we can avoid the place?
if the intent of your post was to share information then share it. if your intent was just to demonstrate your superior knowledge, then why bother?
as far as sending someone to a dangerous location, whatever the guy has written here doesn't justify that conduct.
Surfer,
This is the type of stuff that drives me nuts. How about some specifics? Which of those places on the list did you personally visit? How many women did they have? What was the price? Was there a cover? How much were the drinks? Did they allow the women to leave? Please give details.
Here are some freelance girls in Cali (all prices are in pesos):
Camila, Charges 70,000 per hour, cell phone 310-410 1332.
Angie, She is 20 years old and charges 80,000 per hr.. cell phone #315-568 2077
Daniela & Liliana , Charges 60,000 per hr. a threesome cell phone # 310-849 8430.
Jeimy, Charges 60,000 for each hr. of service.
Yessi, Charges 40,000/hour, cell Phone #310-418 8408.
Andy, 20 years old, charges 80,000 per hr. cell Phone # 315-555 9326.
Adriana, She charges 80,000 per hour for her services. Apparently she works out of an apartment near the Chipichape Mall.
Andrea, She charges 60K (However, she has a friend, Johana 18yrs old, who works with her and you can get a package deal both gals for 120,000.
Konny, She charges 80,000 pesos per hour. She also offers package deals: Her and one of her room mates for 130,000 or her and both of her roommates for 190,000. Allegedly they are all between the ages of 18-20yrs old.
Surfer
Would you like to visit Popayan with me? I hear that Kaliente has a sister Club there with 40+girls.
**This is a joke. Popayan is a very dangerous town. Chao.
Chorizo “El Rey De Cali”
Chorizo,
Nice report. I hope you can give us an extensive report on your next trip to Cali. I will definitely call some of these ladies in June, when I'm in Cali, and report back all details.
Surfer,
which of the places on Simple Mans list are unsafe? Why? Please let us know because, I was planning on printing the list and taking it with me on my next trip to Cali. Thanks.
Frijole,
"Cali" and "Safe" is a contradiction in terms. Especially after dark. Wherever you go after dark, take a taxi! I was in Cali for only 10 days and I saw 2 dead bodies: victims of gunshots!
There are SO MANY casas in Cali that it is difficult to recall the names of many that I have visited. While I recall a few of the names, many are a blur (there is almost never a sign with the name out front).
While the ones listed as an Avenida followed by Norte are North of the river and generally "safer" than the South side casas, even parts of the Zona Norte are iffy. For example, Calle 20 near Flores Frescas (the most upscale house in Cali) is WAY iffy unless you like thieves and travestis (which are both NUMEROUS in that area!). I would NEVER have exited the taxi in that area, and would CERTAINLY slouch down in the seat while passing to avoid attracting attention.
Except for RIGHT ON the Sexta (and then only busier sections), walking at night is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED by everybody. I do it between my hotel, antifreeze'office and the Sexta, but without carrying valuables and with GREAT caution. Local friends and taxistas discourage it though. The taxi drivers will generally know where to go and where not to go, but as a gringo you WILL stand out like a sore thumb ANYWHERE in Cali (except Hotel Inter where the marriage agencies are located).
Chorizo: Funny you mention Kaliente in Popayan because I HAVE been there and there was nowhere near 40 girls. HUGE facility (unlike Kaliente in Cali which is small), but ZERO customers and maybe 7 or 8 girls. I had other reasons to go. Traveling there by land is INSANE (one flight per day from Bogota on the airline run by the Colombian Airforce Satena). It is like a prison with all the security plus you cannot leave the city in ANY direction without crossing FARC roadblocks. Only for the VERY brave (or VERY stupid).
Sorry about the Jamundi comment. I really have no beef with you except that you sparred with my good friend Freeze who is one of the GOOD guys. In any event, I should NOT have suggested you take such a risk even in a joking fashion.
The point is that the risks in Cali are real, and you must ALWAYS know where you are and where you are going. Exploration, which I LOVE, is simply NOT a wise thing to do in Cali (or Medellin or Bogota or just about anywhere in Colombia save San Andres and Cartagena). While I generally view the State Department travel warnings as WAY overparanoid, on Colombia they got it preety close tro0 accurate (Cartagena and San Andres are the ONLY places reccomended for Americans to visit).
Termas Time
05-15-04, 17:08
Thanks to all for the valuable information. The lists really come in handy for us who may be visiting Cali for the first time. Matter of fact, I copied and pasted a few of them already. From reading past reports, is it the consensus that Flores Frescas and Kaliente are the top two or are there others that are close in quality and quantity? Also, Simple Man mentionned a few escort agenices. Should consider these to be the best of Cali or are there others to consider. What about massage parlors or other options?
I have personally never been to Cali so I am pondering the possibility of going later this year. There is so much to consider. On one hand, I am hearing everyone in Cali carries a gun and that I would be roadkill if I walked around alone at night. On the other hand, I am truly fond of the Colombianas, and have already visited Panama City, Rio, and Buenos Aires. What will probably decide my fate is the daytime options. What do mongers do in Cali when they aren't mongering? Just chase non-pros or are there historical or cultural activities of interest? I am aware of Cali's reputation of being a salsa hotspot, but I don't know how to salsa.
Thanks again to all for the posts.
Termas Time
Dutchie525
05-16-04, 10:26
I will be in Cali from 28 May to 6 June. I will use the info that Simple Man and others have posted. Thanks for that guys. Is anyone in town around the same time and in the mood to go chica hunting? Send a pm.
I've been off to Europe and haven't visited this section in a while. I hope to visit Cali again soon but been so busy on other trips. Still, I have so many girls #'s from Cali now from Cybercupidos and Amigos.com that I need to get down there!
I read Antifreeze's post a few pages back. I agree with much of what he said. The internet is filled with a lot of wierdos and low lifes. WSG certainly isn't excluded from that fact. However, I really believe in the goodness of people. I have met some wierdos but luckily I've met more good guys that are just normal guys.
I met Antifreeze and he is a really good dude. I just hooked up with another guy in Prague that is a good guy. These boards are about sharing. At one time or another we were new and we came to this board and got some valuable information. If you have good information and you are willing to share it. Then by all means post it. Even if it's ATM information, restaurant info. Anything! That's my belief anyway.
If you don't like a post, just move on or ignore it. Stay safe all!
El Cubanito
05-17-04, 13:49
Hi Saint,
Long time no hear. last Time I heard you were going to somewhere in South America with a Girl from Colombia. You mention she might be Mrs. Saint. Did it happen and that is why we have not heard from you?
Welcome back buddy.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito,
Yes, I did spend 10 days in Peru with that girl. I was kind of kidding when I said she might be the next "Mrs. Saint" but I figured out that a model hot 20 year old that is uneducated and speaks no English gets kind of boring after a while. You can read about my adventures in the Lima/Cusco section of the Peru board.
I told her better to remain friends during the trip and that really pissed her off. She thought we were going to get married. Oh well. I haven't been in the USA much. You haven't heard from me on this board because I was too busy traveling in other parts of the world. Just got back from Amsterdam, Paris and Prague-Czech Republic where I also posted reports.
Good luck. I hope you're doing well.
Saint
Dollar Bill
05-24-04, 14:58
ALL - FARC is out bombing the hell out of different areas of the country (Northwest Colombia (normally safer)). Many dead and many wounded.
This to celebrate the 40th anniversary of their start of the "war."
Please see the link below for the CNN story:
http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/23/colombia.attack.ap/index.html
Good Luck and please be safe. Gringos are easy to spot and although that might help you with the ladies, it also makes you an easy target for the FARC.
$Bill
Dollar Bill
05-25-04, 13:49
Here is some more info on the attacks:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/24/colombia.40.years.ap/index.html
Please be safe!
$Bill
Dollar Bill you posted Farc attacks safety recommandations in ALL Colombian threads EXCEPT on Nibu's one : do you want him to be bombed :) ?
Cheers
Dollar Bill
05-25-04, 22:45
Damn, you saw right through me. :-)
In reality - with over 50.000 WSG members + all the lurkers, the Nibu thread probably only gets read by 1 member (Nibu himself).
I read the CNN report. It did not detail the locations of the bombings. Did I miss something? Is there a monger in Colombia now that can eloborate? My friends in Medellin and Cali don't seemed to be too concerned with the bombings!
Correct me if I'm wrong but none of these bombings happened in mainstream cities that most of us going to Colombia would be in. Right? It's good to post information and newsreleases but it's also good to understand where those places are where violence is occurring.
Colombia is a wonderful country with the friendliest group of people you could ever know and arguably the most beautiful girls on the planet. It's worth the risk to me to visit and probably is worth it for most guys as long as they practice good common sense and stay out of "hot spots". Still, I don't want to downplay the violence there. I just think all of need to make a risk/reward decision.
Antifreeze
05-26-04, 16:11
Interesting! As I read this comfortably sitting at my computer in my office in more or less downtown Cali, a bomb went off... It seems to be downtown. I guess I'll need to listen to the news tonight.
Things are pretty rock'n'roll right now in Cali. Last week, 2 lawyers eating a pizza at Domino's pizza the next corner from my office were gunned down. There is a drug war, but also this government is serious about enforcing the law here. And, then there is that sad aniversary of 40 years of stupidity, selfishness and greed for the FARC. Last weekend in Jamundi, 6 persons were killed in gunfights. One of them being my brother in law's cousin (which was driving with another person that had questionable relations - making him pay the price of being at the wrong place at the wrong time).
Right now is a good time to really pay attention in Colombia. As the government gets tougher on crime (organized and not), these idiots are getting more desperate and some rocky times have to be survived while they go through their slow but secure death of their trade.
Peace. Freeze.
Dollar Bill
05-27-04, 14:47
Saint -
Most of the Dickie Doo's DO go to Cartagena, which was mentioned in the reports. It is something that WSG members should know about before they read all the "Colombia is safe, it is worth the risk" comments from you and others. I posted this in almost all the Colombian boards on WSG to advise all interested in Colombia that there is stuff going on and to be safe.
While I have traveled to Colombia and felt relatively safe, I also knew the risks prior to going.
Last August, when I was last there, I saw a shoot out when some guy punched a lady and knocked her off her moto-scooter, and some "good citizen" chased him down Av. Sexta shooting at him. I watched this all from my balcony at the Hotel Don Jaime, but I or any other monger could have been on the street at the time and been in the action.
I love Colombia and "her" people. You are 100% right when you said that the majority of the people are the friendliest in the world. But they are that friendly to put a "good" face on Colombia. A small percentage of the Narco's & Farc assholes have hurt the reputation in the world's eyes of this beautiful country and most Colombian's are embarrassed by this.
I love reading your (Saint) reports and this is not a personal attack on you, but I want to make sure those other members that also love your reports, know that THERE IS A BIGGER RISK OF BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME IN COLOMBIA than in the US. Shit does happen there that you probably won't see in Anytown, USA.
Freeze - sorry to read about the security issues so close to home. Stay safe!
$Bill
Bill & Freeze: Somebody visits for a week, survives without witnessing any incidents, then tell the World that Cali is as safe as Dallas. It is not (as YOU guys know). These same people get GFE from 10s whereever they go too and tons of freebies from models.
Maybe some are blessed by God, but the rest of us mere mortals DO need to be aware of the risks and take reasonable precautions to minimize them (or we need Mrs. Freeze to keep us out on violent incidents like a certain UGLY incident that Freeze will recall while we dined on the Sexta a few months back).
I once read a post about an Eastern European Airline that had a HORRIBLE safety record (they ALL do!). Some guy responded that he saw one of their planes land safely, so he concluded the airline (it was not aeroflot but Bulgarian or something) was just as safe as Lufthansa or British Airways. Because you survive a game of russian roulette do you conclude it is no more dangerous than a game of cards?
EVERYBODY must make his own determination of what level of risk of violence he is prepared to accept to chase skirt. Relying on someone else's opinion, especially someone with very limited knowledge, is dangerous indeed. Would you walk across traffic on a bust freeway because some guy just crossed and said "Go ahead, it is fine, I made it no problem"?
And if you DO rely on somebody's careless opinion that all is fine, and then you do get kidnapped by FARC or ELN or AUC, you think the guy who said "don't sweat it" is going to pay your ransom money out of his own pocket? And ransom payments for gringos are, from what I hear, generally six figures (in DOLLARS, not pesos).
I've been lucky too in my visits, Knock on wood!!!!!!!, but I CERTAINLY would not be so irresponsible as to tell everybody else not to worry about the risks in "The World's Kidnapping Capital". It got that name FOR A REASON!
Surfer's advice is exact. We should all read and note the situations in Colombia. The reality is all mongers are at risk no matter where we go. If you think you're safer in Tijuana, Panama City, or San Jose, think again.
I have traveled to Cali several times and Medellin once. I've never seen Farc or any other terror organization. The crimes I saw were not different from what I experienced growing up in SC- Los Angeles. However, Surfer is correct, these are just one person's experiences and yes, I've been "lucky".
However, I think the women of Colombia are worth the risk. What makes Cali and Medellin so great is there is no influx of "gringos". Encouraging an influx of "gringos" may damage an oasis. There will always be a high level of danager in Cali and this board only provides information, not common sense.
Hi All,
I am a new poster here but have been traveling to Cali for the last Four years so I know the city very well. Surfer and Antifreeze are 110% correct in what they are saying about the safety issues in Cali.
Like surfer says and no offense to Saint and others but you guys that go down to Cali for 10-14 days without seeing any violence and then come back and post on the board that Cali is as safe as any US city are really misleading the board. I thought the same thing you did until I was standing in line to get in a club and a guy walked up, pulled a gun out of his pants and blew the Colombian guy standing 2 feet next to me in line away.
Or the three seperate incedents on different trips where someone tried to mug me while returning to the Windsor Plaza hotel, or the time I was in Mission and someone threw grenades into Mission trying to assasinate the owner of the club.
These are the only things that have personaly happened to me, but I am sure people that have lived in Cali long enough have experienced other things themselves.
I love Cali, and I still go all the time, but all of you who think that Colombia is as safe as your average US city need to think again. Surfers post really says it all.
Actually this is more Medellin specific, but it relates to this subject.
I've been pretty much living in Colombia for about 2 years now ... about 1year in Cali, about 1 year and a half in Medellin now.
I still travel for my work though which takes me out of Colombia.
Bottom line ... Colombia is dangerous ... an inexperienced or unguarded or foolish or unlucky person could get get in lots of trouble.
In Medellin ... not too long ago ... going to my girlfriend's house ... I witnessed a band of boys (teens) assasinate another kid ... point blank.
I saw the kid laying in his blood, I saw the ambulance come pick him up, I saw the cops come and every witness said "I saw nothing" for fear of retribution.
My girlfriend said this happens a lot ... when the "boys" don't like someone ... they get rid of them. They bring the soldiers in when it gets too bad ... to patrol the streets.
My Colombian friends tell me Cali is worse than Medellin ...
I live very 'low key' in Colombia ... make a lot of friends ... zero enemies.
Colombian chicas are awesome but ... for those who aren't very experienced ... it may be best to stay in Cartagena ... San Jose, etc.
Yes, true ... chances are nothing will happen to you ... but just keep in mind ... no matter what anyone says on this board ... It DEFINITELY can be DANGEROUS ... FARC or no FARC ...
Always watch your back.
Suerte!
Jman: The incident you described would have scared the bejesus out of me and I don't know if I would return if that had happened 2 feet from where I was standing. And that incident had NOTHING to do with FARC, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that just about every guy in Colombia packs heat as there are no CCW laws that I know of.
Ricker: Some say Medellin is iffier (though if you stay JUST in Poblado it SEEMS safer than Cali IMHO), others say Cali. In Medellin I was warned PARTICULARLY about staying off the hillsides (except Las Palmas/HatoViejo/Transversal area ).
BOTH are markedly more dangerous than Cartagena to be sure.
Adultj: The FARC rarely conduct VISIBLE operations in cities (like gangs of guys in fatigues running around with guns like they do out in the campos). You will NEVER SEE IT! That does NOT mean they are not clandestinely planting bombs or kidnapping wealthy people.
Ferolga777
05-29-04, 06:31
adultj
I very much liked something you said:
"this board only provides information, not common sense."
A true disclaimer.
Ferolga
I'm NOT saying Colombia is as safe as the USA. (And I never did). Use your best judgement. I'll still go back. Until I hear the day that Surfer or other doom and gloom naysayers gets kidnapped and FARC is taking up a collection for him I'll continue to travel there.
Antifreeze, sorry to hear about your brother in law. I think you were honest to point out that he was with someone with questionable relations. I think much of the violence would fall in this category. Still, Colombia is not the same as going to some other places we go.
I think Ricker's post is realistic. Yes, chances are nothing will happen to you if you are smart and not making an ass out of yourself. Still, bad things can happen. Common sense always prevails. Be careful and have fun.
Saint
Yossarian 99
05-29-04, 21:43
Been reading the Colombian postings for a while now and have paid attention to all the warnings.
Wonder if some of the regulars in this forum can tell me whether an asian will stand out in Colombia. Maybe even tell me which cities are most tourist-friendly (relative to the other cities in that country) and which are the least friendly.
Thanks in advance for all the great postings.
Yos
Surfer,
It did freak me out for several days and made me realize how fast someone can kill you. He was so close ( point blank range) I thought he had shot me for a second because it all happened so fast. When the police came they just threw his body into the back of a police truck. I thought they would ask me or somebody else for a description of the guy or what happened but they said nothing and didn't care to know either. I went back to the same club a few days later and found out it was over a girl. (of course!!)
If someones going to kill you its generally over one or more of three things. A woman, Drugs, or money. Sure, Colombians in general are some of the friendliest people you will meet, but its a paradox and It took a while for me to realize it but to many human life means very little here.
I remeber about a year ago I was having an ongoing problem with this other gringo down here, and I was explaining it to a Colombia friend to get advice about what to do about it and his first suggestion to me is" why dont you just have him killed?" I thought he was screwing around at first but he was serious and so I asked him about it and he said for many In Colombia this is the Colombian way.
Surfer, I am not a doom or gloom naysayer at all, I am living her off and on now so until I get killed or kidnapped I will keep coming back. I like you, used to think all of this stuff people used to say was BS, until I started to see it. I remeber on some of my first trips down here my Colombian friends were always warning me to not do this, or not do that, or dont go there its dangerous yada yada yada etc etc. I thought jeez, these Colombians are some of the most cowardy people on earth! Well once I started to witness some of the stuff they were talking about I understood what they were talking about and why they were concerned.
They live here 365 days a year and we dont. hey see all the crazy shoot puts and killings we dont see. Once I started to see it, I became a lot more aware of how very dangerous Colombia can be.
As far as which is more dangerous, Cali or Medellin, I am not really sure. I have visted Medellin several times and it is a nice city, but for the people alone for me Cali is a better choice.
Jman,
Thanks for your honesty. Despite loving the country and its women, I HATE the culture of violence, and how cheap life is down there. But it is what it is, and, like everywhere, has its pros & cons.
Next trip to Cali the drinks are on me (and keep your head down man!).
Anyone in New York looking for a travel partner, I plan to go for the first time.
Please pm me,
Thanks
Antifreeze
06-01-04, 00:07
The single most important rule in Colombia (living or visiting): DO NOT MAKE ANY ENEMIES.
It is as simple as that. If someone wants you out of the circuit of the living, it is cheaper to get that done than to get a new TV. And I am not kidding. It is literally cheaper...
Be safe.
Freeze
Freeze,
Last time I asked around it would run you about $100 to have someone knocked off, depending on the hit man and hit of course. Not that I would ever need one or think about anything like that, but it is good to know what your life is worth. For us Gringos they would probably do it for fifty bucks!
There was something on the news tonight in Cali about nine hundred and sixty some homicides in Cali to date this year. That breaks down to about 5-6 a day, so there are going to be a lot of dead folks at the end of the year.
Compare that homicide rate to a city of the same size 2.5-3 million people in the States, and you will see how Colombia is a much more violent country in General then the US.
Surfer that sounds great and thanks for the good advice!
Yossarian99,
There are quite a few Asians in Cali... I have seen several walking the streets of Cali, mostly around the Sexta, but I am sure there are more in other parts of the city. Most are either Chinese or Japanese, as there are several resteraunts of this type in Cali owned and operated by Asians.
As far as the safest city in Colombia, the safest ones that I know of would probably be Cartagena, Barenquilla, Santa Marta, or San Andres. These cities are on the coast and San Andres is an Island off the Coast of Nigaragua. These are more tourist friendly spots but there may be other citys that others could recommend.
Super David
06-01-04, 13:01
My friends:
That is the key. Mind your own business, have fun, and enjoy life. Just do NOT get involved in any good samaritan. Walk away from any arguments, fights. If you like a lady, talk to her but do not be pushy.
The best thing you can do is WALK AWAY.
I know I am not a "Senior Member", but with all due respect, this is the World Sex Guide. Where are the sex details? We should not beat a dead horse. Unless there is a Calena who is a 10, but is performs a gfe.
I was in Colombia for 3 weeks and was rolled twice. That's 2 times more than I've ever been robbed. In Cali, a gang of teenagers tackeled me right on the main street at around 8p. In Bogota, gun to the temple. The women are even more beautiful than in Brazil. But, they are not always as they seem. The culture is that robbing another person, as long as its not family or recent friend, is actually a matter of pride, something to brag about. Be careful!
LittleDickPride
06-02-04, 04:30
Hi my friends:
I will be in Cali from June 18 to 21 for a break, coming from Bogota.
If any Gringo is around at that time, we could experience both daylife and nighlife in Cali. Please let me know.
Best,
LDP
I am propbably going to be there during this period so if you want to meet for a beer private message me.
Happy C
Yossarian 99
06-03-04, 03:11
Jman,
Thanks for the information.
I've been wanting to visit Columbia for some time now. I'm on the fence now, but will probably check it out in November, when the weather down there is nicer and the FARC violence subsides.
Thanks to all the posters, as well.
Yoss
Dollar Bill
06-03-04, 15:10
adultj-
With all due respect to you, there is A LOT of sex information in the 45 pages of this thread. READ IT and most of the information is still accurate.
We need to include safety information for our Mongering Brothers, don't we? Or would you prefer someone getting hurt?
$Bill
HarryDho,
You are right about some of the women not always being as they seem. It took me about 3-4 months of living in Cali to figure it out, but Colombian women are some of the best con artists on earth!!! I love them, but I have met some that will lead you on like you wouldn't believe just to get a free frisky chicken dinner out of you.
That's one thing you have to respect about the girls back in the States, they either like you or they don’t. They have their own money and aren't going to BS you and waste their time on you just so you will take them to Chipi-Chapi and buy them a pair of shoes. With many of the girls down here it’s the exact opposite.
I love to read the reports of the guys that come down and are spending all of this money left and right on all the girls, taking them dancing, drinking, shopping, out to Restaurants, etc etc. and then hear them gloat "I had so many 10's calling me and wanting to see me and have sex with me that I couldn't even see them all blah blah blah" REALLY? Geez I wonder why? Could it be that a lot of these girls don’t have a nickel, and would go out with the Elephant man in order to have something to do?NGO!
The guys that take the *****s out for all of the above and think they are their girlfriends are even delusional.
I can understand this because the same thing happened to me when I came down. I was going out every night with a different girl, blowing all this coin on the girls, and had more girls calling my apartment then I know what to do with, and since I was used to dating back in the States I really thought all of these girls were in love with me!!! Girls in the States don’t call you or want to see you or go out with you unless they really are interested. Here, it’s a whole different ball game, and after living a few months you start to understand it.
PanamaJack
06-04-04, 07:47
Well a least I'm glad that the subject of safety was brought up, I've always been aware of how truly dangerous colombia can be if your not aware of whats really happening. One thing that you have to be aware of is that there are FARC in every aspect of colombian life, in the country side, in the city, taxi driver, professor, banker, you name it. I'm not trying to scare anyboby just making people aware of your surrounding. I lived in cali for about 10 months and been visiting since 1998 till present. Enjoy when you go just be careful, talk to the locals they can be a great asset when it come to safety, somebody like antifreeze and other guys that have been in cali for a while.
Antifreeze
06-05-04, 18:35
I don't want to overblow the issue again about ATMs (I know some people think it's been overkilled) but things changed since then.
1) ServiBanca is now down again to 300 000 (useless).
2) The only one that provides more than that is Bancolombia (choose the other amounts when asked, and it allow 400 000 as a maximum).
Let's continue and leave banks rob our money and treat us as we're completely clueless. I truly hate banks. Howcome they allow us to do up to 3 withdrawls of 400 000, one after the other (and charge us $3 USD each time) and then tell us that lower limit is to help keep an inventory of their $$$ in the ATMs. BS! I need to find a way out of that scam. Working on it!
Freeze
Anitifreeze,
You leave me clueless. I'm really at a loss to understand your report.
In a previous report (with evidence attached) I already stated that withdrawals of up to COL$ 2000K were possible WITHIN the bank!
If you need more than that amount (unwise, unless you're you REALLY need the dough now and then, but then again no need to tell this to a Cali veteran) make your withdrawals AT THE COUNTER of different banks. Just DON'T USE the ATMs.
Antifreeze
Just so we all get this right, ServiBanca is now down again to 300 000. WOW
And. The only one that provides more than that is Bancolombia. Wow.
Keep us posted.
One shouldn't ruin this board by discussing useless topics like chicks and stuff!
Thanks
FoxesHunter
06-06-04, 21:20
PanamaJack
Dear friend, I will get Colombia the next month.
I have a week only for having fun.
Can you tell me if it is easier to find a beatiful girl friend in Cali or Medellin (not prostitute for a week)?
What town do you like more?
Thanks
Chorizo: Since your apparent reason for reading the boartd is to be titliated, why not buy a Playboy or Penthouse forum or something?
El Culion: I agree you are "clueless", but I disagree that it is Antifreeze's fault. You seem to have GREAT difficulty grasping the concept freeze is trying to explain, namely, how to get cash in Colombia while minimizing bank fees. Your suggestion "just go in the lobby . . ." is indicative of your ignorance of the critical fact that such a transaction would result in getting the INDIVIDUAL foreign exchange rate, as opposed to the ATM exchange rate which is AT LEAST 5% higher. If you want to give your money to banks, PLEASE do (means you'll spend less days in Colombia!!!!), but don't flame freeze for trying to help those with more intelligence than money to waste. Also, I recall you startying this whole ATM topic by making FALSE statements about being able to make large withdrawals . . . .
To everybody ELSE: DO take EVERYTHING you read on this board with more than a grain of salt as there are MANY here who know little, yet purport to be experts. On EVERYTHING from El Culion's misinformation about ATM limits and bank fees, to Saint's "opinion" that Cali is no more dangerous than any other city, use your own COMMON SENSE before relying on ANYTHING written on this board.
Surfer,
I have plenty of stuff to read and laugh about (primarily your worthless posts). I especially like the Cartagena posts where someone called you a pompous ass (nothing could be more true). Speaking of “know-it-all-pricks” I guess you would be the authority on that particular issue. Case in point, EL CULION mentioned in his posts that it is better to do one in branch transaction rather than several ATM transactions. Well I don’t know for sure but, every country I’ve ever traveled to will give you the same exchange rate whether you use the ATM or their in branch services. Furthermore, it would seem to make more sense that it would be cheaper to take the hit on one in branch transaction rather than get nailed each time you use the ATM (I’m no math wiz).
I’m tired of reading about this ATM crap. Ultimately this only affects Antifreeze because, he lives there. As for the rest of us, well if the ATM charges are going to cause us to cut our trip short then perhaps, going on a trip was a mistake.
Chorizo "EL REY DE CALI"
PanamaJack
06-07-04, 09:03
foxeshunter,
I absolutely love cali for "las Caleñas", don't really know medellin that well, been across paisas her in panama, both of this places have beautiful girls you can't really go wrong. Anyway I'm really not a monger per say, but I think now that I'm getting a divorce from my caleña, I'm going to have much more time on my hands to do whatever the hell I want without someboby breeding down my back. Oh I forgot to tell you, if you want non-pro learn some spanish it would help, good luck.
Surfer,
Firstly: it was never my intention to flame Antifreeze. I was just mentioning MY personal experience.
Secondly: the one who's offensive is YOU, using words and phrases like "difficulty grasping", "ignorance", "more intelligence than money to waste" etc. Makes you feel quite an erudite chap, doesn't it? Thinking that the only truth is your truth notwithstanding the experience of others.
Thirdly: I pay the SAME RATE and the SAME CHARGES for either ATM or over-the-counter withdrawals. I use a European Visa card and therefore can't account for this (American?) practice of different rates, assuming that it is TRUE(??) what you state. I've never been charged ANYTHING by Colombian banks for making withdrawals.
Fourthly: It was not ME who started this thread. My initial comment to this topic was a reaction to YOUR post of 05-05-04.
Fifthly: I've NEVER claimed to be an expert on ANYTHING. I've been travelling to Cali since 1992, my novia is Caleña and I visit Colombia at least twice a year but have never claimed to be any expert.
Discussion closed!
Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
Jackson
Antifreeze
06-07-04, 15:26
Chorizo,
<One shouldn't ruin this board by discussing useless topics like chicks and stuff!>
I am surprised that, with your social skills being so well developed, a girl would even spend any time talking with you. I hope, for your own good, that you do not speak Spanish if you come to Colombia. That way, maybe you'll have a day or two more of wetting your pants in front of a girl that will shortly figure out how stupid and empty you are. If you're lucky, maybe she'll be herself stupid enough to fall in love with your passport or money. You'll then have found your soul mate.
Chorizo: You are the lowest within the lowests. Keep on diggin...
Simple Man
06-07-04, 17:57
Hey Antifreeze,
I can understand that the bank fees are a real issue to you as you live in Colombia and have stated that you spend around $150 a month in bank fees. But it seems to me that if you are spending that much it would be worth your while to either open a local account or take a trip and transfer your money into a bank that has their own ATM's there, like CitiBank for example. It would seem that either of these alternatives would solve your problem.
The banks are providing a service, allowing you to withdraw funds in a foriegn country and outside of their network. This means that you don't have to carry a wad of cash with you when you travel. They are obviously not going to provide this service for free. Further, considering the average income in Colombia the 200k and 400k amounts probably satisfy the majority of their customers.
SURFER you are a POMPOUS ASS. The sole purpose of all of your reports is to simply insult someone and point out how brilliant you think you are, you share no actual information with anyone. After I responded to one of your posts in another section, I was PM'ed by several members that told me your first trip to Colombia was March 2003 and that prior to that trip you asked for info from all of them and then came back and declared yourself a Colombia expert. It seems to me that the last paragraph of your last post may well be autobiographical.
Now I am not an expert in Colombian banking, but here in Mexico the exchange rate posted on the window in the bank is the rate you get at the teller or at the ATM. Further, if you withdraw money from the ATM in a foriegn country in addition to the ATM charge you will pay a foriegn currency conversion fee. So in all likelihood using the ATM will cost you more than the alleged 5% you are losing by going to the teller. Before you go around accusing others of being ignorant maybe you should waste some of your impressive intelligence and obtain some facts. Finally, if a $3.00 ATM fee is going to cause you to cut your trip short, then maybe you shouldn't have taken the trip.
Quoting SimpleMan from some weeks back: "I think that Antifreeze's post actually speaks for a number of the posters, who apparently think that they are somehow better than everyone else."
Freeze can speak for himself, but I would say not better than "everyone else", but CERTAINLY better than an ignorant simpleton like yourself and your jew-bashing [I am not Jewish but I AM Offended by such bigotry] partner in stupidity Chorizo (AKA "El Rey de Cali"; court jester is more like it).
Freeze has contributed more to this board than just about anybody, yet YOU and your ilk criticize him for trying help guys avoid wasting money on ATM fees. Frankly, why he continues to try and help people here is beyond me given the "appreciation" received from people like Simpleman & Chorizo.
El Culion: Perhaps bank fees in Europe are different, but Freeze has lived in Cali for several years and is a VERY intelligent guy. Therefore, I give more credence to his statements on the issue than to yours (or others who do NOT live there). If your comment to freeze "you leave me clueless" was not meant as a flame towards him, I apologize for my flame directed at you.
Antifreeze
06-07-04, 20:58
Surfer, Simple Man,
I do not have a problem on this board with anyone else than Chorizo and Mojo Raising (which blessed us with his absence). Simple Man, I feel, was not offline in his message and has the right not to understand an issue that is not his. He is cordial, and as far as I can tell, well-intentioned.
I withdraw between 3 and 4 million every month here in Cali. That makes me a bit special in the sense that I do not have only the typical tourist issues to deal with (it's rare that a tourist will need so much money). On the other end, my initial message posted a couple of days ago was fairly straight forward (here's the situation change - and I even apologized for the people that believe that it's not the right forum for such message). I kept it short and sweet not to offend anyone, but still to communicate the RELEVANT information. Hopefuly the people that are affected by that issue will appreciate the information when needed, for the others, just go on an continue talking about the women.
Peace, on earth, but let's start with this board and Colombia.
Freeze
Simple Man
06-07-04, 21:04
Surfer,
My quote, used by you, was in response to Antifreeze's post which reads as follows:
"WSG is filled with narrow minded, uneducated, selfish and rude people trying to find their way through unattainable happiness by traveling to Colombia and meeting with a lady that they wouldn't deserve in a thousand years. I personaly decided to stop posting on WSG since there are too many of these sub-humans that do not deserve any help whatsoever to travel."
Antifreeze then responded on his own behalf. My latest post to Antifreeze stated that I understood his concern with the bank fees and was a suggestion of how he may solve his problem and did not bash him in any way. I further stated my opinion as to why the banks charge the fees.
Some reading and comprehension exercises may really pay off for you in the long run.
I did however bash your pompous self-glorifying ass. You contribute absolutely nothing to this board other than insulting comments and being hyper-critical of whatever anyone else posts. You claim to have knowledge but never share any of it. There is no actual information contained in any of your posts.
Further, I have never made a "jew-bashing" comment or any other racial slurr on this board. I understand that you are left with few alternatives on how to respond to my comments directed at you because the truth is very difficult to avoid.
Attempting to group me with anti-semetic comments which were made by others, however, is a pretty weak dodge, even for a self-absorbed ass like yourself. Simply because someone else is tired of your BS does not make them my partner.
I would suggest that, when confronting an ignorant simpleton like myself, you put a little more effort into your response. Otherwise you may come off as even more ignorant than the simpleton you are trying to attack.
Quoting from myself earlier in the day: "SURFER you are a POMPOUS ASS."
Oh by the way nice back track on the 'El Culion" insults. Amazing how the facts don't support your position yet again.
Just this simpleton's opinion.
SimpleMan,
OK, I am a pompous ass. Now can you quit cluttering the board with your longwinded (and repetitive) diatribes?
For the record, I am VERY helpful to those culturally sensitive travelers who I believe will not further erode the goodwill towards gringos like happened long ago in Mexico, Costa Rica etc. Unfortunately, I find that this group is in the minority on this public board (and many others as well). Freeze has met more WSGers than I, I do try and post about travel, safety and logistics issues (like which ATMs offer higher limits-sorry if you find that unimportant), but do not post lists of casas or phone numbers of good independents which I've found. The lists might encourage people to go to unduly dangerous areas, casas come and go as does the relative talent. Taxistas have MUCH more current info on the best casas than these types of regurgitated lists anyway.
simpleman: somebody just posted this in the bogota folder:
if you try exchanging cash you'll pretty quickly learn you're being raped by those guys - you can get much better rates from the atm, though you'll be limited to 400k per transaction.
maybe you should "correct" him too.
Globe Trotter
06-11-04, 00:36
I do not recall who listed Las Professionales at http://ikari.vosn.net/~lasprofe//english_version.htm . This is an incredible site that has some of the most beautiful girls in Cali. I chose Margarita for 200,000 ($80) WOW!!! Smokin hot.
I travel all over S.America for over 30 years and have been mongering all that time. It is so good down here, that I am moving to Quito, if anyone has info on some contact numbers there please let me know.
WGM is a great site, wish I had found it sooner.
Globe Trotter
06-12-04, 03:36
I would appreciate any info available on Istanbul, Turkey. I am going there on monday for 2 weeks. Would like to find the "Right place" to unwind & relax.
Mojo Rasing
06-15-04, 21:11
Anti freeze,
I found a place where chicks charge from 5 to 8 dollars an hour, it's located downt town where truck drivers go after being so long on the road, you can knock out the price to 3 dollars, they are very flexible on prices, the address is calle 8 # 13C-10
Dollar Bill
06-16-04, 14:48
info deleted - see "General Info" Section for news info on killings
Antifreeze
06-23-04, 15:45
FYI:
I have someone in Cali right now that came with travelers checks and US cash. We've been all afternoon yesterday running around to get that changed to Colombian pesos. I tell you, it's quite a mess. First the banks won't even change the US currency if you don't have an account with them. Western Union won't change the US currency if you don't have an account with them either. How odd is that? My wife ended up finding a place that can change both US currency and travelers checks, but you have to show up between 8:30 AM and 11:30 AM. I'll post the details when I'll have them.
All that to say that Cali is truly not a turist friendly city. Your best bet to have access to your money is still the ATM.
Freeze
Antifreeze,
Did you try the Casa de Cambio in the Colseguros Building in Plaza de Caicedo or the one in Edifício Carvajal on Cra 4 con 13?
Rabo Verde
06-27-04, 22:13
Hey anybody know where I can find an ATM with cheap fees in Cali?
Hey, does anyone know a good butcher?
Chuponalgas -
Try Jeffrey Dahmer.
Aegis911
Hi,
Only mongered in Bogota, so am curious. is Cali a lot different. lookswise, price wise, time wise, attitude wise, etc..?
My best friend is actually marrying one from Bogota. That should be interesting! And I introduced them!
By the way, if any of you fellow mongerers want to get down there cheaply, I have tons of miles leftover from my business travels that I can unload for a price much cheaper than a ticket from Travelocity or from your travel agent. It works especially well for people coming from the northern states. It works best for those with flexible schedules. Sooo, if your costs to go to Cali or other cities in Colombia are $700 or more, I can save you a bundle. This way I can get rid of my accrued miles and you can quit getting hosed for a trip to Colombia, especially since Colombia seems to be one of the more expensive countries to go to down there.
Just private message me if interested.
Bill12
This board is exclusively for ATM talk. Take your chick talk elsewhere.
Now where were we? Oh, yeah I like the green ATM's they give great p4p.
Antifreeze
07-01-04, 03:05
I went back to la casa del doctor Amor today and the place is way better than a couple of months ago. There are about 20-30 girls in each house, and there are now 2 of them. So, the place is well staffed, each room has been renovated and has its own bathroom and shower, and the prices are still unbeatable (25.000 per half-hour).
I'm sorry that I don't have the address in memory, it's on this board somewhere. It by El Rio (Avenida 2 Norte) where all the casas are.
Also, I went to Flores Frescas a couple of times last month. There are so many beautiful girls in there, they don't know where to put them anymore. The show is just plain amazing. And then, when you go in a room with one of the girls, she really makes you feel special.
Living in Cali is just great! You should all be jealous...
Freeze
last time I was at the "Love Dr. " most of the girls were below average, chunky, tatooed. Because I was a gringo (I think) the mater de put me behind the door so I could see the girls before they presented to the Colombians. Most of them were rough in their talk and appearance, some just tired.
I was able to find a diamond in the rough and for the price, it is a great value casa. There were only fans in the rooms and we sweated like pigs.
Hey Freeze, Glad to hear La Clinica is regaining some talent as it was horrid last time we went. I am taking a break from Colombia until October or November and am soon going back to SE asia for first time in 2 years. Cuidate compadre.
Simple Man
07-03-04, 00:10
Hey Antifreeze,
Thanks for rubbing it in, you lucky bastard.
Stay safe and have fun.
Antifreeze
07-03-04, 15:51
I brought my brother to Flores Frescas yesterday. After winning about the fact that 15.000 pesos was pretty steep for an entry price (he's pretty close his hard earned money), we went in.
He saw the girls and could not believe how many beautiful ones are in there. Then the show began (3 part show this time). He said that he never saw anything like this and truly enjoyed it. My brother traveled a lot and he is a quite a sex-traveler. He went to Tailand and tried the pump station there, he lived in China for 2 years and got some communist chicks a lot, he lived in Taiwan and Cambodia also. Although he did not use the services of any, it will be a night he'll remember.
I used the services of Melissa. What a little jewel she is. She doesn't have the best body around, but God do walls and ceiling move when we're at it!!! Prices are 100.000 pesos for an half-hour for the ones who do not know.
I preveiously tried Brigitte a week or so ago. She is just a 10. She's a black hair, beautiful smile, perfect body kind of girl that I like. She studies to be a paramedic. A lot of guys a just intimidated by so much beauty that they don't even approach her. I know the feeling, I've been there. But then I did approach her after a couple of glasses of rhum. The thing that is scary with so much beauty, is that us men are programed to chase it, not to have it. What do you do when you go and sleep with a 10, you turn around and die (Surfer, you know what I mean). What is left to chase, just reproducing the same experience since it truly can't get better than a 10 in your bed that actually performs well and enjoys it. And that's excactly what I got then.
Anyhow, just a quick message from the south. Take care.
Freeze
Hey Antifreeze- nice post.
I am little puzzled. These woman at Flores Frescas are apparently quite beautiful and have some brains. They aren't working for $25K-$40K pesos at La Clinica and other joints. Why is it they cannot find men in Colombia to be with and take care of them. I mean when you go to this club and elsewhere there sure is a lot of $$ flying around. There are many men in Colombia that have $$. I see it in the Casinos and clubs (dance and social) I am totally lost why these girls do not home in on a guy with $$ to take care of them. Any comments.
Happy C
Antifreeze
07-04-04, 00:48
Happy C,
This is the miracle or the tragedy related to Colombia (depending on your point of view). The typical Colombian man is an idiot that I get to understand more over the years living here. Why commit to one when you can have so many of them? I would do exactly what they are doing if I'd live all my life in Colombia. You do not have to show much commitment to a Colombian woman for her to open up to a relationship. Although a lot of them know how foreigners are (and are not as 'easy' with them - sometimes even stating that they won't have any relationship prior to marrying), the fact on the matter is that they are pretty fast to open up.
Provided that, they are little jewels that can and want to commit for the most part. But their environment do not allow for that. I think that Colombian men are perfect for american women, we should negociate a swap...
My choices would be easy if I'd abstract from kids. Altough the playing fields are a lot of fun in Colombia, explaining to my son in 10-15 years that he was prevented from his father because of a dick that can't control hisself wouldn't be an experience that I look forward to.
So, in response to that I zip it up and fight my male nature (while most Colombian men don't).
Freeze
Happy C,
Good question. Let my try and address it, and add to what Freeze said. First, Colombian men are not the most faithful people in the world. Neither would I be if I lived there! They are famous for just having girlfriends, or having a wife and then having girlfriends on the side. Secondly, some men have a lot of money, but very few in the whole scheme of things. And the middle class is small, yet growing. So in a land where there are so many great looking women, there really aren't enough "good" men to go around! Add to that that many many of the working girls have kids, and trust me, no Colombiano wants to marry a woman with kids.
I know you are shocked why they have to do such work. So was I. But when you consider the above factors AND the fact that finding a job in Colombia is hard, and even when they do it doesn't pay much, I guess that sums up why it is such a crazy situation down there.
Many times I have thought that I wanted to take one of them home, and I think most of them would jump at the chance, but I would have major qualms about bringing a 10 back to my city, if you know what I mean! But that's another topic! I have heard of several guys "keeping" a woman down there, but that too is another subject!
Ciao,
Bill
(By the way, if anyone is interested, I have a ton of frequent flyer miles leftover from my business flying. It takes 35,000 miles for a round trip flight to Colombia. I can offer them to you cheaper than you can get a regular ticket, PLUS they are good for a FULL year and any changes are FREE. If you have flexibility in booking, feel free to "private message" me for more info. They are especially valuable for those who live in the northern states, but also for anyone who want to be able to change their flying dates. I do this on a friend to friend basis only, and only for guys going to Colombia)
Antifresse you wrote:
The typical Colombian man is an idiot. I don't think so I think we are idots at least I am I have fallen for scams and have been played by Colombian women that I thought I was going to get married to. I think these men are pretty smart because they practice the three F's Find, Fork and Forget. They even forget their own children. How is this biologicaly possible to have a kid and have no contact with the child. These guys are cold. I wish I could be like that.
Bill,
Thanks for your comments.
I guess the men are decitful don't you think the woman are equally decitful. They would drop your ass for more $$ in a new york minute or maybe just add you to their list of suckers. I understand that a lot Colombian woman have several men taking care of them does anyone have any experience with this and when the guy finds out how do you deal with this. Chalk it up as experience. I am tried of having these experiences (Ha Ha)
Happy C
HappyC,
You have just hit upon the age old history of the species! That men want variety and will pay for it, and women want security and will charge for it! Men want hotter chicks and women want guys with more to offer. It is a wonder the institution of marriage even exists in this environment. Wait, it is almost defunct anyway!
Anyway, yes, you are right that there are some girls that are being "kept" by more than one American guy. But guys make their choice in this matter and volunteer to do it. I have friends who meet some lady but don't want her up here...either because he's married, or because of the visa hassles, or because he doesn't want to subject her to the wolves and feminists up here. So he "keeps" her down there. If she strays, it's his own fault. One way to limit this is to meet a "good" girl and not a pro.
By the way, it does happen with Colombian men who are involved with women a lot, because the Colombian men don't give her enough to live on, they only give her small amounts, so she needs to find other contacts.
So I guess you can either play this game...or just rent them and forget them! I must admit my upbringing makes this hard to do. I always think the best of people. I always think I can change them. And in Colombia, where most of them are just doing it out of desperation, it is such a different situation than here. I even have a friend who is marrying a "bad" girl from down there.
Antifreeze
07-07-04, 22:56
Happy C,
The Entire sentence that you refer to reads as the following: "The typical Colombian man is an idiot that I get to understand more over the years living here."
It should maybe have read more like: "The typical Colombian man is an idiot that I get to be more like over the years while living here."
The fact on the matter, is that although I can't forget about my son, if I could redo my life in the Colombian environment, I would not get married (or get married for the papers - pay a girl 100.000 pesos per month to get married to me and then leave me alone with my visa that allows me to stay in Colombia without restrictions).
I would then be able to play the game like they do.
Take care,
Freeze
Freeze,
You don't even have to get married down there, though it isn't a bad idea! Many people apply for a type of visa that allows you to live there. I think it is called a pensioners visa or something like that. With the right amount of income and/or assets, it's easy to get the visa.
Bill
Hey Bill,
Thanks for your report.
I find it interesting that they are many girls that are poor but they don't ho. I think the ones that do ho may be deperate but you are right, its diffcult to change a person with no self respect. I think once a ho always a ho, does not matter what country you're in. I have meet very deperate girls in Colombia that even speak English that have had no work for several years, and I allways wonder why they did not go into the profession. The other issue is deattachment from these woman. What a wonderful characteristic to have, I must say I suffer in this department I am sucker because I always believe in people, until I find out different. Its easy to spot golddiggers but there are a lot of very smart woman that use reverse physciology and these woman are much harder to read. I almost married a 'bad' girl and I feel for your friend. I hope he knows what he's doing. Have a great weekend and be happy I know I am going to Summer time here in the north.
Happy C
Freeze,
You can also set up a subsidary US company in Colombia and get a residency permit as the indivdual who is going to run the company in Colombia. If you don't have a company buy a shell or register a company in the Bahamas or some other tax free island like St Martin, Caymans etc. that wll also work. You need a Job letter in Spanish, Police record translated into Spanish and a filled in application form. Takes about 3-5 days to get this permit. I am sorry to others if this is off topic. ho's find them fork them and forget them "my new motto"
Happy C
Antifreeze
07-09-04, 16:00
Bill,
Thanks for the information. It may have been useful 1 life ago (before I got married). Although being pensioned at 35 wouldn't be bad, I still need to work a bit to live.
Take care,
Freeze
Yes, Happy, it is interesting, but you will notice that a lot of the poor girls live at home, and don't need to ho. But in instances where the girl has a kid, family outside of town, or where they are even supporting their family or aiding in their support, they resort out of desparation to ho-ing. I always wondered how those types could go home to mom every day!!
I think you are wrong a bit when you say they lose their self respect. If anything, they lose their respect for men.
My friend is totally happy with his ho! And she really likes him it seems. Let's face it, it's her way out of that line of work. And he has bucks, so she hit the jackpot! I really think it will work out. Believe me, he is jut as surprised as you!
Hi,
Can anyone out there help me with this question? How does Cali compare to Cuba (ie-Habana)? I have been to Bogota and Habana, and find that although Bogota is great to find maybe a girlfriend, it is not the best city for mongering. In Habana I would describe it like being treated as a rockstar. In Bogota you are just another gringo. What I am looking for is something in between Habana and Bogota.
Do the women in Cali approach you like they do in habana?do they all sleep with you on the first nite unlike Bogota? How much are the pros:$20 Habana vs $50 Bogota? Etc.
I am planning an extended mongering trip in Aug/Sept and would greatly appreciate any info / insight that anyone could provide. As a new member of the forum I hope to visit Cali or another destination and submit my first full report to the forum.
Thanks to all for any info/insight in my quest for the best mongering city!
KW Kid
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Just like to add that both Friday night and last night, both women I took home were either separated from their husband with a child or a child out of wedlock. 50 dollars taxfree is not bad when their salaries are low. They enjoy club drinking, dancing, flirting with the men until one bits. Then they get paid for the extra they themselves enjoy. They have to provide for the child as best they can.
Last night's date was 25 with a boy 7. Her mother took care of him. Draw your own conclusions. Many are descent women.
I'm from New York city looking for a travel partner.
Anyone that would like to plan a trip to Colombia please pm me.
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HotTraveler
07-17-04, 18:37
Hello KW Kids!
I've readed your article and I can to see, that you need to choose between Cali or La Habana.
I know those 2 cities and for me,the best option is La Habana if you want to find only women to have sex, but if you want to find a possible bride, then visit Cali.In this city there are some marriage agencies.The nightlife is concentrated in the Avenida Sexta (Av. 6ª). I was in this place but I was dissapointed.
La Habana has more nightlife!
But if you want that the women approach you, then you have to go to Dominican Republic (Sosua, Boca Chica, Santo Domingo). In this country really they sleep with you at the first night.
Greetings
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Antifreeze
07-20-04, 13:38
If you plan to come to Colombia for an extended stay, make sure that you ask at the border for your 3 month visa. My brother got caught with that. He's here in Colombia and wants to stay here, and the border agent only stamped a 1 month visa in his passport. By law, he had the right to 3 months, but did not ask for it. That resulted in him having to go at the DAS in order to ask for an extension (about 2 days and 100$ lost).
Hello HotTraveler,
Thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping that Cali might be somewhere in between Habana and Bogota. If only I could find a city with the aggresive girls and nightlife of Habana and the girlfriend-material girls of Bogota I would be in heaven.
I found Sosua somewhat dissapointing. There were hardly no good girls or semi-pros, all super-pros who were just there to make a few bucks. More mongerers than girls sometimes. I am thinking about trying Iquitos, Peru next for something totally diffrent. I have never had a jungle girl before. LOL.
KW Kids
Comparing Havana with Cali
People are always emailing me asking me to compare various cities I've been to. Often times it's difficult to compare cities because it's like night and day in some areas.
I spent 15 nights in Cuba (most of them in Havana). I spent 10 nights in Cali. They are like night and day. Cuba is such a beautiful country. Havana has sort of a mystical feel to us. Like going back in a time machine. The people are very friendly there and it's completely safe for Americans. I don't find the everyday Cuban girl on the street attractive. Sure there are hot girls but I found it was few and far between. The opposite is true in Cali. Cali is full of gorgeous girls walking around at places like ChipiChope Mall. The city of Cali isn't a beautiful city though. In fact, I'd argue that it's an ugly city. The people of Cali are some of the friendliest in the world though.
IMHO, the hobbying is HORRIBLE in Cuba when comparing it to other destinations around the world. The glory days are long over there. I found the scene there really depressing. All this cat and mouse stuff worrying about the police and if the girls will get in trouble. It just was horrible. I will go back to Cuba again some day but I doubt I'll ever hobby there again. If you're solely into picking up street girls than you might like Havana. I just found most of the girls weren't attractive. Havana does have nightlife but honestly I think it's overrated when it comes to the hobby. Many of the A+ girls have already left the island.
My friends and I were with non-pro or semi-pro type girls too in Havana and they were scared of being seen with Americans. Police were constantly hassling tourists. I think the scene is getting progressively worse too.
In Cali, the hobby scene isn't the best there is but there IS some good action to be found there. Some girls are really hot too. Cali is better for non-pro action. It's easy to get girls phone numbers there. Girls are friendly and being American doesn't really seem to matter there. Everyone was friendly to me (including the police). Sure, Cali is more dangerous than Cuba but honestly I think if you're not being a dumb ass you'll be fine.
I'd actually be interested in hitting more cities in Colombia. I'm moving to Buenos Aires in 2 weeks so maybe I'll get a chance to travel more in South America. I'm going to take intensive Spanish classes for a few months and maybe I'll reward myself with a trip back to Colombia when I'm done. I'd love to hit some smaller towns.
Have fun!
Saint - I whole heartedly concur with your comparison of the two cities... the charm of Cali is the music which is everywhere in the air and in people's hearts and the ladies are heart stoppingly hot. Cuba, while frigging cheap, is depressingly sad...
Are you buying a place in BA...or?
Rendorseg
Hi Rendorseg,
I forgot to mention that the food is horrible in Cuba. There are a few exceptions but for the most part most of the restaurants had bad food. I didn't find Cuba "cheap" as you mentioned. Most items are priced in US$ and really I can't figure out how they can afford to live there. Sure you can get cheap food on the street but overall I found Havana expensive. The people of both countries are amazing and wonderful. Music permeates their lives especially in Cuba but also in Cali. I posted a pretty detailed report on both cities. I was in Cali in March 2004 and in Cuba December 2003/January 2004.
I've never felt guilty hobbying or seeing girls but I did in Cuba because of what MIGHT happen to a girl if she got caught. Bush spun Castro's comment of "we have the most educated hookers in the world" and tried to make it sound like Castro was advocating prostitution. That is the furthest thing from the truth there. They are locking up girls and giving them hard time if they get caught. To give you an idea, most girls I was taking home in my car or in a taxi were ducking down in the car so a police didn't see them. Some even asked to follow me in a seperate taxi! Even normal non-pro girls were worried!
I leased an apartment in Recoleta for a year but I'm planning on buying an apartment to lease out as a business. I'll list it through my old apartment site: www.apartmentsba.com and also through my travel agency www.argentinago.com
If you come to BA, email me and I'll show you around. Best of luck and safe travels.
Saint
Antifreeze
07-30-04, 14:45
Great report Saint! I've been to Cuba 3 times and I agree with your conclusions.
Good luck on your move. I hope to see you in Cali soon.
Take care.
Freeze
El Colorado
07-30-04, 17:36
Saint - Can you give us the details of your intensive two week Spanish course.
Thanks,
El colorado
El Colorado,
I think you read it wrong what I posted. I enrolled in an intensive Spanish course in Buenos Aires. It didn't start yet. It starts on August 30th. I'm moving to Buenos Aires to live for the next few years and taking Spanish courses there. 4 hours a day/4 days per week. Hope it goes well. I hope to be fluent in one year.
Antifreeze,
Nice to see you're doing well. I also hope to hook up with you sometime in the near future. Take care.
Saint,
How long is the course and where can one register for this course?
Thanks in advance
Happy C
Happy C and others,
Please, let's take this to PM's or the Argentina section so we don't bother the Cali board.
There are a few good schools that I checked out. The University of Buenos Aires has a good program. I enrolled in another program that had a solid reputation. It's called Lenguas Vivas. Registration can be done personally at Carlos Pellegrini 1515 or by phone 54-11-4322-3992/3996/3998 extention 103/151. Their fax # is ext 119/113 or email is iesvivas@capital.cf.rffdc.edu.ar
They have regular courses which are two times a week/ two hours per day; 6 levels or you can take the intenstive course which is Monday - Thursday 2 PM to 6 PM. They also have six levels. Each level last 4 weeks except the last Post Advanced course is 2 months. The fee for the intensive classes is only 400 pesos a month. The regular courses are only 50 pesos a month.
You can go there and take a test to see which level you place into. The test is damn hard. I only took one month's worth of classes in the USA but I think I'm just going to start from the beginning to learn some things native to Argentina.
I'm getting a student visa but I'd advise against it unless you have a lot of time and patience. It's easy to stay in Argentina indefinitely by crossing into Uruguay every 90 days. The school doesn't care.
Sorry again Cali board. No more non Colombia talk.
Good luck.
Saint
LittleDickPride
08-02-04, 16:33
Spanish classes in Cali:
Hola, amigos:
I would like to take some Spanish classes in Cali to professionalize my Spanish, while relaxing. Can you recommend a small (unassuming) place or someone which can indulge? Thank you.
Take it easy,
LDP
HotTraveler
08-04-04, 22:11
Hello KW Kids!
Sometimes finding the best city for your own pleasure can to be difficult,but if you don´t want to choose between Cali and La Habana,then you must to visit Rio de Janeiro. In my opinion,Rio is the best option, but I recommend to go between the month of November to April. (The best weather there in Brazil).
Greetings
LittleDickPride
08-18-04, 02:29
Hola amigos!
I spent a couple of days in Cali in early August. Truth be told, I did not like it, at least as far as the hobby goes.
It is a small provincial town (1.5 M people). Its downtown is very noisy and dusty. What is called the new town (or North) is actually a 400-yard strip (Avenida Sexta). On the plus side, Cali is safe for gringos, unlike what is hyped by Western media, provided you keep a low profile, i.e., you respect people and don't show off.
The casas are very dodgy and amateurishly run. I was unimpressed by the look of the working girls. I would actually be ashamed of myself if I had tried any.
On the other hand, normal Caleñas are overall good-looking. The spectrum of ethnic background is broad (think of Brazil or Venezuela). A much better option is getting dates with those non-pros. Still, you will need Spanish skills and some patience, as you cannot expect to get laid at the first date.
Cartagena is a much better bet than Cali for the hobby and for relaxing. On the other hand, it may be more tourist-oriented, so less genuine; unless you have those language skills that will enable you to go off the beaten track.
Best,
LDP
Antifreeze
08-23-04, 15:52
Pereira info needed!
I am heading for Pereira next weekend for 2-3 days. I need to get there for the Cabalgatta and give my new horse a ride.
I would appreciate some pointers on 2 things there:
1) hotel; I need an affordable but still decent hotel that I could reserve before going there.
2) the scene; casas, girls to call, etc... Pereira is stated to be the city where women have a hearing problem, you tell them to sit down and they actually lie down... Well, my trip will coroborate that.
Thanks to all.
Freeze
Hey Antifreeze ... I visited Pereira not too long ago. I was visiting a chica i met on Amigos.com but she was driving me crazy so I went on the hunt.
I wish I remebered the name of the main street that had all the bars and clubs on it ... and the street chicas as well.
I remeber talking to several normal chicas just walking around and partying ... very friendly ... one married chica invited me over for some fun saying her hubby was out of town but ... didn't feel like getting killed if / when he came home early.
I found Pereira to be a cool town ... kind of a "mini-Medellin" ... people very friendly.
I think where I can help you is ... I met this cool taxista who showed me casas de chicas, etc.
I actually ended up with a 'friend' of his ... a beautiful 19 year old ... blonde hair ... flaca ... pro but nice.
This taxista was super 'chevere' ... cool. He guided me and showed me Pereira and never once tried to over-charge me.
If you want his contact info send me a message.
Personally ... I wouldn't go to Pereira just for the chicas ... I find Medellin much nicer and lots more choices ... but, if you're going to be there anyway ... fun can be had.
Hey Freeze, WISH I could join you (though I'd pass on the cabalgata part). The girl I took to CTG who studied in Pereira is likely salty at me as I did not respond to her emails after returning home. I DO recall the entertainment area is across a bridge from the main part of town in an area called Dos Quebradas or similar.
There is a Melia hotel but WAY pricey. I had planned to stay at Soratama Hotel on Plaza Bolivar (but ended up taking the Princess to San Andres instead).
Hope to see you before too long, but now I am getting back into Asia mode a bit. Kinda like bipolar disorder for MEN (can't decide between Latinas and Asians (: ).
Take Care my friend.
PS Your password should work again as the technical issues on the private board seem to have been resolved.
Pereira is a great city and when I was there I really liked it a lot. Like Ricker said it is sort of a "Mini Medellin" of around a million people and I find it to be a nice mix of both Cali and Medellin. Its a real pretty city and very clean, with nice mountains all around. As far as the girls go you get a nice mix of the Calena look with the morena's with black hair, and there is a fair amount of light skinned girls there as well like Medellin.
I really had a hard time finding a lot of hooker houses and believe me I looked all over for them, so if your going just for the pay for play option Cali is the best choice because it has way more houses then Pereira and Medellin combined.
As far as working normal girls I really dont agree with ricker in that its not a good destination. I found it to be an excellent option. I have always like the girls in Cali because in general they are super friendly, and the girls in Pereira are just as warm as the calanas. In general you will find that until they get to know you the girls in Medellin are a little more stand off-ish, and I find it more difficult to approach them as a complete stranger.
Antifreeze
08-26-04, 01:05
I appreciate your input JMan, as well as yours Ricker.
JMan, would you have some addresses for casas or hotels to provide me so I can have a smoother landing in Pereira? I am really almost empty-handed, and not to be prepared may mean having a lousy trip, which is not high on my wish-list.
Thanks in advance.
Freeze
FUCK FUCK. I wish if the pic was too big you didn't lose ALL your goddammed text when posting. SHIT!!
I am going to post this fucking pic first then my thoughts.
Ok here are my reprinted (sort of) thoughts.
I had the same experience as LDP. I had been to Cali once and hated it, went again, liked it better but still no match for Cartagena.
On the whole LDP said it all. The casas just aren't 'all that' and the talent pool is pretty shallow. I would've been ok with that if they had been cooler, but you really had to work harder to have a chick mellow out and drop the 'hard-core' 'tude than in Cartagena.
To be fair, I did meet the hottest chick of my entire trip in Cali (although the one I call 'the Goddess' comes close in Cart). I also had to pay her more than any other chica the entire trip (this time though, I really thought I got what I paid for). That's her pic below. Trust me, the front was even better than the back. I had rarely beheld such perfection in my life. She wanted something like 600k for the night. Totally out of what I was paying but I gotta say, I have some regrets I didn't do it.
I did meet Freeze and we chilled for awhile. I took a hike to 3 Crosses about an hour after this chica left my hotel and dehydrated got up at the ungodly vacation hour of 8 to start our hike at 9. There was some dude selling CARROT JUICE at the top of this mountain. I couldn't believe it. Some of the best carrot juice I ever had.
I also met the coolest Colombian hippy on the street. The guy was totally cool and sold me a few special cigarillos for a very cheap (2k a blunt) price. Damn special stuff, and I know my tobacco (*g*)
Also had a great hotel, and while I've heard some say they will hassle the chicks, I never had a prob. In fact, this one lil cutie (the best deal by FAR in Cali at 60k a pop) came by and door dude escorted her to my room (mm... maybe Cali wasn't so bad after all).
I think if I go back (and yeah, I probably will) I will hook up with a couple dudes that have some freelancer chica's digits. I will also avail myself a little more of the street scene. There are some diamonds in that rough.
But still, my first choice is going to be Cartagena , Cartagena, Cartagena. You get the pimping apartmento and you will get totally sucked into the vortex known as Laguito. You will ***** about it. You will be back. Trust me on this!
Antifreeze
08-28-04, 17:14
Since I have not been able to find transportation for my horse to go to Pereira, I had to cancel my trip. Thanks anyway to everyone provided the information but, sadly there won't be any report.
Freeze
Rabo Verde
09-04-04, 02:44
Panicked Prostitutes Flee Colombian City
Interamericas Press, September 4, 2004
By Carlos Carajo, Staff Reporter
Cali, Colombia
Hundreds of prostitutes mobbed local bus stations in Cali, Colombia, early Friday, seeking to flee this picturesque Colombian city. Tickets to all destinations soon sold out, and some tickets were being resold for double and triple their face value by opportunistic scalpers.
The mass exodus of traumatized trollops began on Friday morning when the authorities announced the imminent arrival of the notorious bisexual Gringo couple, SIMPLE MAN and FRIJOLE.
By 3 P.M. Friday afternoon, photos of the fearsome duo had been distributed to the area brothels, and the exodus grew to a full-scale torrent of panicked putas. Amelia Gonzales, 19, who normally works at Flores Frescas, an upscale Cali brothel, waited in line for four hours to buy a one-way bus ticket to Bogota, where she plans to become a nun. "I have been ravished by hundreds of smelly sweaty drunk guys, and I have to perform in the Lesbian dildo show every night" she says, as she waits for the bus to leave, "but even I have to have some self-respect and draw the line somewhere!".
Adding to the fear were reports from working girls who actually survived previous encounters with the Gringo duo. Elisabeth Hernandez, 22, who had serviced FRIJOLE in 2003, recalls showering repeatedly for hours after the nightmarish encounter. "I felt dirty for months afterwards. I pray to the virgin every day to help me forget, but nothing could erase those horrible memories".
Carmen Varijas shudders as she recalls her 2003 encounter with SIMPLE MAN. “I felt like I was having sex with El Diablo himself” she sobs, “the only thing that saved me was that his penis was very small, I had not seen one so small like that since third grade!” Ms. Varijas still wakes up screaming at least once a week, but she manges to survive with the help of her faith. "I would kill myself but I would leave my beautiful little 2 year old daughter motherless. I live now only for her, to protect her from having a hellish experience like I had."
Nervous non-working women also packed local markets, stocking up on food and water so they would not have to emerge from their homes while the Gringos are in Cali. Rosa Valencia, 87, said she realized it was unlikely that the Gringos would ravish her, but decided she wasn't taking any chances. She bought enough food to stay indoors for at least two weeks.
City authorities declared martial law and posted armed guards in fornt of the city's elementary schools. Beginning Monday morning teams of volunteer psychologists will be visiting all local brothels and elementary schools to counsel women, and especially any young girls, who become suicidal after seeing the Americans naked. The Cali Fire Department was also put on alert, and its Hazardous Materials Squad is prepared to dispose of any used condoms discarded by the Americans.
Cali Secretary of Tourism Hector Ramirez bemoaned the damage that would befall Cali's reputation as a result of the Gringo visitors, saying "I don't know why those two homos don't just stay in Mexico and bugger each other. We even tried to get FARC to kidnap them, but they refused".
Antifreeze
09-04-04, 16:52
This is so funny! Thanks for the good laugh Chuponalgas.
Freeze
often times when one wrongfully attributes characteristics to others it is because they are trying to control their own unsavory urges. knowing chuponalgas i understand that his calling me a bi-sexual, homosexual and **** are his pathetic cry for help as he is loosing his battle against his own unnatural urges. accordingly instead of anger i feel pity towards the pathetic creature he has become.
ps chuponalgas, would you like to go skiing? i hear its great this time of year.
Simple Man
09-05-04, 23:55
Hey Chuponalgas,
With your legal history you should probably be careful about jokes involving elementary schools. Doesn't that violate your probation or something?
Antifreeze
09-06-04, 13:31
Simple Man and Frijole,
I didn't mean to support Chuponalgas in uncalled hits on you guys. If his message was meant to insult both of you, than none of it is funny at all. I just thought the nature of the post was to relax a bit and get a laugh (although I wouldn't want that to happen at anyone's expense). I just thought it was a joke between buddies (do not know the history between your relationship, if any). I am sorry to be so much of an unpolitical idiot when it comes to these types of things. If there are 5 interpretations on something, and only one of them involves having a non-threatening and non-disruptive message, then that's the one I normally pick. That helps me keeping faith in humanity as a whole.
Freeze
Simple Man
09-06-04, 18:32
Antifreeze, thank you for the apology but it was completely unnecessary. Frijole, Chuponalgas and I do all know each other and absent knowledge of personal history the story is pretty funny. But with personal knowledge some of the things put in his story have a meaning that is quite offensive to both Frijole and myself.
Apparently, like an immature child Chuponalgas is lashing out because he somehow feels that he was slighted by not being invited to travel with us to Colombia. This ignores the facts that he had previous travel plans to another location, that our trip was finalized at the last minute and that Chuponalgas does not like Colombia. Despite his numerous posts, he lasted a total of three days in Cali, barely leaving his hotel and on his lone trip to Medellin holed up in his room and ventured out only to eat.
Regardless, any issues between us are personal and should remain private unless Chuponalgas chooses otherwise.
Rabo Verde
09-07-04, 02:35
Neener x3. Guess I have to put a big THIS IS A JOKE sign on my funnies for you serious types!! Hey do they have a Western Union office in Cali???? LOL xo CN
King of Sluts
09-07-04, 18:20
Dear Mongers,
Simple Man and Frijole are always standing up for each other, they are bi-sexual lovers. I have heard this from Chuponalgas.
Beware of Simple man and Frijole, they are very sneaky.
KOS
Caballeros: Let us cease this off topic discussion and return to ON topic material like: how dangerous Cali is for gringos, or how the chicas are so much less friendly than in Cartagena, how the only casa with lookers is Flores Frescas or, better yet, how Cali is really overrated.
Rabo Verde
09-08-04, 01:58
Yeah, anyone know where I can save 10 cents on ATM fees, LOL?
Chupolongas: ATM fees are more onpoint than you carrying on your petty little love triangle with Simpleman & Frijole here on the board. Antifreeze is out of the country and will not be posting for some period, and even he subsequently realized his error by applauding your ridiculous post. I am NOT "taking sides" as I couldn't give a mierda why they did not invite you to join them on their trip (and I doubt anybody else cares either).
Antifreeze
09-10-04, 04:59
Chuponalgas,
Isn' t your time too precious to post something like your last post (Yeah, anyone know where I can save 10 cents on ATM fees, LOL?)??? I tought you were all too busy for things that you judged unimportant.
I am in the boring states of America (upstate Vermont) and I truly wonder how they reproduce up here. I miss my girls in Colombia. Seriously, I end up thinking a lot about Melissa from FF, Andrea and Paulina. I don't know if I can be saved and start thinking about my wife a bit more? On the other hand, I do have better ATM support up here (LOL Chuponalgas and other mongers that are way too busy to read posts that are judged irrelevant, but not anymore when the time comes to post insignificant ones).
While Chuponalgas laughs loudly at me with ATM issues, I live the dream down in Colombia by addressing issues such as this one. I've seen more people happy making 100$/month in Colombia that I've seen people happy making $100K/year in the States. Chuponalgas may be one of these persons that truly would want a life like the one I have in Colombia, but with not enough balls to go and get it. I don't know Chuponalgas, but it seems compatible with the character of these people that often trivialize accomplishment or chararcter of others to better endure their own lack of character. Living the expat life is not easy when it comes to using resources like wsg and having to deal with noise like this to get and often distribute information. But it has it's rewards. Anyway, I've taken enough of your time Chuponalgas, you're a busy man... Go back to your busy life.
Freeze
Senor Freeze ...
Very well put sir ... I'll tell you what, I spend about half the month in S. America ... Colombia (Medellin) and Venezuela and I can't wait to when I can do it full time.
What you said about people in Colombia that make very little $$ but are content and happy versus the dude making big $$ in the US but is miserable is right on ...
As for guys that don't appreciate your posts or any other informative post here ... who cares? I usually hastily scan their silly remarks and chalk it up to "just another moron" and I could care less ... they are very easy to ignore.
Take care.
Rabo Verde
09-13-04, 23:23
Sheesh, again for my learning-impaired friends, THAT WAS A JOKE, YOU CAN LAUGH NOW!!!
Hey Freeze, I do know chupanalgas and I think your remarks were right on.
Not many here would call it a joke, I mean, it's just not funny.
Regarding ATMs, BofA has waived all ATM surcharges for each of my three trips to Colombia.
Just call them in advance of any trip, ask where their ATMs are in Colombia, and when they tell you they have none, request that they document the record or your account with notes of the discussion and that you will request all fees to be reversed as they have no support for you in Colombia. I am charged $2/withdrawl but when I call they credit my account in whole.
I don't have a lot to offer from my recent travel, as I had no opportunity to hobby. But I will offer some updates on various city info.
I still love the Plaza Las Americas. Corporate rate for double occupancy is 107.000, including room service fixed plan breakfast and no charge for local landline calls. Pool is due to open in January.
I visited a room at the CoraSuites, on Av 9N 17N-31, 667-6021 or 667-8414. I found it not nearly as nice as PLA, but the price is much lower at 80-something.000.
There is a dive shop named Aqua Buzos in Versailles neighborhood, Calle 24N 5BN-57, 667-1600. The proprietor is Diego Alfredo Hurtado O'Byrne, and he is very knowledgable on scuba in Colombia (Gorgonia, San Andrés, Providencia, Caribbean coast).
Leo,
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"Not many here would call it a joke, I mean, it's just not funny.
Regarding ATMs, BofA has waived all ATM surcharges for each of my three trips to Colombia.
Just call them in advance of any trip, ask where their ATMs are in Colombia, and when they tell you they have none, request that they document the record or your account with notes of the discussion and that you will request all fees to be reversed as they have no support for you in Colombia. I am charged $2/withdrawl but when I call they credit my account in whole."
If you have a BofA Visa debit card, there are 140 Visa Plus network ATMs in Cali, Colombia. BofA does not charge for ATM withdrawals from those ATMs.
From a BofA FAQ:
What are the fees for using an ATM? Bank of America customers can withdraw cash with their Bank of America Check Card or ATM Card without a fee at nearly 13,000 Bank of America ATMs in the United States and at over 12,000 international ATMs operated by members of the Global ATM Alliance
(Global Alliance ATMs) for Cali
http://visaatm.infonow.net/bin/findNow?LIST_LIST_KEY=2-10953853020022296620&CLIENT_ID=VISA
Start page for Visa Plus network ATMs Locator
http://visaatm.infonow.net/bin/findNow?CLIENT_ID=VISA&LANGUAGE=ENGISH
LAGNAF
Master Monger
09-18-04, 07:28
Dear Fellow Mongers,
I am coming to Colombia and I want to spend one month in Cali and One month in Medellin.
HERE is my dilema, it appears the only way to travel between Cali and Medellin is by plane (safetly) but I am encountering a round-trip price off the internet of about $250.
Please someone tell me where and how to make this journey more affordably, $250 is just crazy.
Please help me,
Master Monger
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