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Thank You.
In broad strokes, the standard theory is pretty straightforward. When a lot of people can do the same job (working girls come a dime a dozen) , the wage for that job is pushed down (because more people can supply their labor). When it takes special skills or education to do a job, wages are pushed up, because fewer people can supply their labor. On the demand side, employers are willing to pay more for an employee that can make them more money.True, that's why programmers make a lot to start and McDonald's workers make minimum. The difference in mongering is some girls are hotter than others and take better care of themselves. Working girls could be a dime a dozen but attractive ones aren't a dime a dozen. I didn't see one attractive hooker at gustos when I was there. I didn't see one at fase dos or San Diego club. La Isla had maybe 2 that were attractive.
This I agree with.
FB girls who use to take 200-250 saying they won't come out for so little money anymore.
This is the problem I have with providers because even if you agree to their terms you now know they won't be the same as when they were hungry to make the 200-250.
And this blame falls solely on the weekend warriors who get so fucked up and don't care if they get lousy service.BTW don't forget inflation in Brazil the last 15 years. Their cost of living has gone up like ours. 200 real doesn't buy them the same things it did 15 years ago.
JonnyPokerStar
02-25-22, 14:32
I was there 1 week and was ready to go. Save your 3 week trips for Brazil. Much more to do there. Medellin is pretty boring to be honest and the strip club scene and bars has declined a lot.A small Colombian city vs the largest economy in south america that takes up 2/3 of the continent? Silly comparison.
Medellin is fun for getting drunk in fondas and dancing salsa, going on bike rides, hiking, miradores, history, and whatever else, but even comparing it to Salvador isn't fair. It's a city that feels like a town. I love it and I'm glad that many people do not.
This I agree with.
FB girls who use to take 200-250 saying they won't come out for so little money anymore.
This is the problem I have with providers because even if you agree to their terms you now know they won't be the same as when they were hungry to make the 200-250.
And this blame falls solely on the weekend warriors who get so fucked up and don't care if they get lousy service.I have been on trips where I've told half a dozen "popular" ladies the same thing after they quote me a nutty charge: "OK. I only have XXX mil and if you want it you know how to get in touch with me. No hard feelings and have a nice week".
I'd say 10% to 20% of these "stars" contacts me during the week (never a Friday or Saturday, obviously) and agrees to my price.
It is always enough to fill out my horizontal workout schedule to my satisfaction. The most important thing to know about MDE is that the numbers (volume of working ladies) are forever on your side.
What is your medical or pharmaceutical background?
His friend that is a Mexican pharmacist that doesn't recommend Mexican pharmaceuticals.
I went to both of these places within the last week, so I thought I would give a review of each and compare.
Esperanza is in Poblado which makes it more convenient than Happy Massage since Happy is in a place where not many mongers would stay. I took an Uber to Happy for like $3, so it's still pretty accessible.
In terms of price, Esperanza was 130 k while Happy was 185 k for body on body massage.
I'm terms of the whole experience, Happy really did feel like luxury which is why it costs more I guess. The person responding to you on WhatsApp is fantastic and speaks English. You arrive and it's really professional. The masseuse leads you to the room and the room is very nice.
In terms of the massage, the massage by Happy was so much better. The woman at Happy was like a 9 in my book while the Esperanza woman was like a 7 or 8. Both really hot, but the Happy masseuse was crazy hot. Also the massage and the whole experience was so much better at Happy. Like obviously we're not really going for a massage, but the Happy masseuse actually gave a really good massage. And in terms of the sexual components she was much better as well. She was great at the body to body part and was really good at "accidentally" touching your dick while massaging. Then she also gave a way better HJ at the end as well.Thanks for the info. So those prices include the HJ? IS there a BJ option? If so, how much more? I'm not much of a HJ guy. Can do that better myself. Jaja.
You got it exactly right. There's nothing wrong with paying a fair price to get what you want. After all you worked for your money. You should be allowed to decide how to spend it.
If I want a better meal, I go to a better restaurant with better food and I pay more. If I want to stay in a nicer place, I don't go to a $15 a night hotel and I don't go to a nice hotel and insist they only charge me $15 per night. I pay the price appropriate for what I want. And if I want a chunky 30-40 year old woman, I don't hop on a plane. I just go to any bar, smile, buy a drink and take one home. Why waste time and money traveling to pay for what just about anyone can get for free?
I don't understand the weird comparisons. The price at McDonald's is the price at McDonald's. The food at one McDonald's is the same as at another McDonald's. It's not negotiable, it doesn't vary.
Let's try a real comparison. If want a nice filet, I don't go to McDonald's, pay $50 and pretend one of their hamburgers is the same as a filet. I head to a restaurant where I can get a nice filet. I don't tell them I'm only paying the same as I would pay at McDonald's and I'm not paying the filet price and asking the waiter to go get me a burger from McDonald's. I get the filet and I pay for the filet.
As for taxis in Bogota. You walk out of the terminal and hop on the bus to Portal Eldorado. It's free. You get off the bus buy a card for the TransMilenio, get on the bus going to where you want to go. It costs less than 3 k and it's usually quicker than a taxi.
Or use an app, or get one of the airport taxis. Whatever works for you. If paying or saving 10-15 k is going to have any impact on your visit, then you've got a lot bigger problems than what someone else is spending.Exactly, I'm not going to fly 12 to 15 hours to Rio, and see Gabbie Carter's twin on the beach in a thong bikini, and when she says 200 reals, I tell her no way. It's 100 reals or nothing. It could work or she could say this guy is a jerk and end all discussions from that point. 50 bucks was more than fair. Hell, I would have paid 100 dollars. I lucked out that she only asked for 50 bucks equivalent. I quit going to Rio 10 years ago because the exchange rate made every girl 200 dollars or more, so I decided to try different places. If I can get a hot girl for up to 100 dollars, I'm happy. If the exchange rate goes to hell again, and we are at 200, I will stop going.
Just Incognito
02-25-22, 17:08
This has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read. You probably work for an American pharma company. Medications in Mexico and Colombia are just as good as their US counterparts. They have government agencies that control the manufacturing processes of pharmaceuticals just like in the US. They are tested for safety and effectiveness before they ever hit the market. I've been using mexican and colombian sildenafil for years and it works just the same as the viagra sold in the US. Get off of ISG with your big pharma propaganda bro!I would argue many medications are safer in Colombia than the USA. The Colombian medical system is superior to the USA in many ways!
Because having a pussy and fucking someone requires no special skills. Half of the planet actually has one. All a hooker has to do is open her legs. Evidently a young, pretty chick with nothing else going for herself besides being able to open her legs really amazes some guys.Haha, that made me chuckle. Yep, a peanut seller will earn peanuts. I think guys that think a pretty girl deserves a sunstantial amount of money for having sex, must have lived lives in places where women use the act of sex to control them. Bcos last time I looked, sex is actually free if you can find a girl. So paying a small but adequte sum of money for a service that is natiural and easily obtainable, seems very reasonable to me.
This has to be the biggest load of crap I've ever read.!Agreed. It is a laughable position. In any case what is a Mexican product, what is a USA product? We live in a global market place these days. Companies need to meet international standards, not local ones. Could you imagine that USA pharma companies (whatever that means) manufature their products in the USA? Not a chance! They have them made in backwaters far poorer and less developed than Mexican.
No offense and do correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you use to flex on this board like you only went for 9's and 10's and those 9/10's don't go for 200 k-250 k. The second part might still be true, but people have told you then and you also know now that the higher the price the worse the service. The fact is the looks don't really make up for it. No one's going to argue that 500 k for a session with a 9 is cheap in USD terms, but unless you're a virgin who ejaculates in 1 minute, the experience is going to suck because that's how long she's going to give you to come.Maybe it's just my experience, but none of that is true, at least not 100% of the time. One of the first hookers I ever picked up, off the street in San Diego, back in 1989, was at best average looking and asking the same price as all the rest and she was complaining I was taking too long before I got my pants off. I had similar experiences in Tijuana and in the DR. Even had a few like that in Medellin.
Last year a girl who works internationally as a model and charges more than the standard Facebook rates, kept going and going like the Energizer Bunny. I'd put her on my top 10 list for looks, body, service, enthusiasm and GFE, and she was one of the top 10 as far as her price (although less than 500 k).
Mojo Bandit
02-25-22, 18:59
What is your medical or pharmaceutical background? Jajaja I have a pharmacist license.I walk into any pharmacia in Colomibia (or sometimes the Olimpica supermarcado) and buy the Cialis in the box and the box has the holographic Lilly seal. I was told that the holograph seal is a little more expensive to try and counterfit so it gives me some piece of mind. Regardless I have bought it in Colombia dozens of times and it works great.
Thank You.
In broad strokes, the standard theory is pretty straightforward. When a lot of people can do the same job (working girls come a dime a dozen) , the wage for that job is pushed down (because more people can supply their labor). When it takes special skills or education to do a job, wages are pushed up, because fewer people can supply their labor. On the demand side, employers are willing to pay more for an employee that can make them more money.Take a look around and tell me how well your standard theory is working. There are all kinds of people who can flip burgers. It doesn't take a lot of skills to run a modern point of sale system. Yet at more than double minimum wage they can't find workers.
All I can say is that you're lucky there are women who will fuck for money, because that belief means you're probably not getting laid twice by the same girl, unless she's getting paid or you're married to her.
I used to hire "unskilled" labor 4 or 5 times a week. Over a 7 year stretch I probably hired nearly 1,000 different people, usually for 1 day. There's a huge difference between the person who is just there to get the minimum pay and the person who wants you to call him next time. There's a huge difference between the ones who need constant supervision and the ones you can just turn loose and let them do their thing. Not to mention the difference between those who will steal anything they can and the ones who are trustworthy and dependable.
Then there are the ones who did nothing but complain, the ones who threatened my customers and the ones who threatened to rob me.
While it is possible to sell pussy with no skills, hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell, there are a lot of skills nobody ever considers.
1. The skill of looking at an old, fat, ugly customer and telling him how handsome he is.
2. The skill of looking at a sad little penis that looks like it belongs on a Chihuahua and convincing the guy it's the biggest she's ever seen.
3. The skill of not gagging over bad breath or nasty body odor.
4. The skill of convincing the customer that she's having the time of her life.
I've met quite a few mongers and not many are in the running for sexiest man alive. Yet most of the girls treat us like royalty.
Try that some time. Go out to a dive bar. Find a 60 year old woman with a body that rates a -46 on the 1-10 scale. Pick one whose face looks like she took a face plant into the deep fat fryer. While you're at it, look for the greasy hair that hasn't been washed in 6 months, which goes well with the green teeth (all 7 of them). Go right ahead and convince her that she's beautiful, then take her home (to her place. If she gets in your place you might need a crane to get her out), and go to town on her. Eat that pussy and don't mind the stink. Stick your tongue down her throat. Fuck her, roll her over and fuck her again.
Of course not all mongers are that bad, but some are. I've seen them. I've smelled them.
That's just to illustrate, what you consider "unskilled" isn't unskilled. That's without all the other skills most of us have experienced.
True, that's why programmers make a lot to start and McDonald's workers make minimum. The difference in mongering is some girls are hotter than others and take better care of themselves. Working girls could be a dime a dozen but attractive ones aren't a dime a dozen. I didn't see one attractive hooker at gustos when I was there. I didn't see one at fase dos or San Diego club. La Isla had maybe 2 that were attractive.I'm going to correct that for you.
There's a huge difference between pay for programmers depending on skills. Unfortunately, it's not always consistent. From my programming days I remember remarking "what idiot wrote this" on several occasions, only to find out the idiot was one of the big bosses.
The pay difference doesn't always make sense for prostitutes either. There are some who lack the looks and lack the skills, but want the higher price. There are also some, although harder to find, who have looks and skills, but are working for much less.
The trick, which most of us already know, is to find the girls you want, who provide the service you want, at the price you are willing to pay.
If all you can afford are the cheapest girls, sometimes you might get lucky and find a good one. If you think that paying the highest prices will get you the best ones, sometimes you'll be right.
What I try to do is find the girls with the look I want, then try to determine if they have the right attitude. Then it's just a matter of finding a mutually acceptable price.
Mr Enternational
02-25-22, 20:27
Working girls could be a dime a dozen but attractive ones aren't a dime a dozen. I didn't see one attractive hooker at gustos when I was there. I didn't see one at fase dos or San Diego club. La Isla had maybe 2 that were attractive.So how do they get away with charging so much at those places if there are no attractive ones?
Mr Enternational
02-25-22, 20:50
Like anything else, sex is a combination of skills. Would you rather save a few dollars and limit yourself to women who have no skills, or spend your time with women who earn every peso?The part you seemed to skip is that you do not know the combination of skills the provider has until you have first agreed on a price.
You could have agreed to pay $500 just to find out the woman has no skills. You could have also agreed to pay $10 and later find out she performed as if she was earning $500.
You test drive cars so you know the performance before you make the purchase. You rarely get to test drive a hooker before purchase.
How much you agree to pay beforehand has zero to say about the quality of the sex, because you have no idea what it will be. You are gambling.
No offense and do correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you use to flex on this board like you only went for 9's and 10's and those 9/10's don't go for 200 k-250 k. The second part might still be true, but people have told you then and you also know now that the higher the price the worse the service. The fact is the looks don't really make up for it. No one's going to argue that 500 k for a session with a 9 is cheap in USD terms, but unless you're a virgin who ejaculates in 1 minute, the experience is going to suck because that's how long she's going to give you to come.100% correct. But FB girls are not 9's and 10's.
When I do encounter an 8 and above and it's a must have I will not argue on price unless it's just ridiculous.
So how do they get away with charging so much at those places if there are no attractive ones?Weekend warriors don't really care about the price, which is fixed at La Isla and is less than 100 USD, not sure about San Diego or Fase Dos. When you have zero sex in the States, any average looking girl or girl next door becomes very attractive. Beer goggles help a lot too.
Last week I went to La Isla with another ISG member, it was our last night in Medellin before we headed back. All my FB and SA dates flaked that night, so I had no other options. Talent at the club was average, but I did session though, just because I wanted to bust a nut. Average looking girl, average all covered session, at 320 k cop. I've been to La Isla before, I knew what to expect, so no surprises here, just wanted to pop my last load before heading back home.
BTW, girls at La Isla (and Gusto) are all dolled up to the nines and look sexy in those tiny dresses, but once the clothes come off and the lights are on, you realize that they are just average looking older chicks.
DriftClouds
02-25-22, 22:38
Like many girls I added, more than half of them, are just selling pictures and videos, damn, wth.
ChuchoLoco
02-25-22, 23:47
hell there are trannies out there selling pussy without having a pussy to sell,.Truth is stranger than fiction. Your words are true and also hilarious!
The part you seemed to skip is that you do not know the combination of skills the provider has until you have first agreed on a price.
You could have agreed to pay $500 just to find out the woman has no skills. You could have also agreed to pay $10 and later find out she performed as if she was earning $500.
You test drive cars so you know the performance before you make the purchase. You rarely get to test drive a hooker before purchase.
How much you agree to pay beforehand has zero to say about the quality of the sex, because you have no idea what it will be. You are gambling.You also have no idea beforehand if she's on her period or has an infection and her pussy smells.
MarquisdeSade1
02-26-22, 00:42
I walk into any pharmacia in Colomibia (or sometimes the Olimpica supermarcado) and buy the Cialis in the box and the box has the holographic Lilly seal. I was told that the holograph seal is a little more expensive to try and counterfit so it gives me some piece of mind. Regardless I have bought it in Colombia dozens of times and it works great.I have bought fake Cialis from a farmacia in Tijuana it was in a box with the logo on the tinfoil blister pak, everything was printed with Cialis like the real thing, also with the hologram sticker seal.
Those pills are around 90 usd in USA.
I paid 5 usd each, you can't buy legit brand name Cialis 20 MG for 5 usd in Tijuana they were knockoffs and did nothing for me, but steal my money.
Hopefully no toxic ingredients.
JonnyPokerStar
02-26-22, 01:05
Anyone have an experience where the girl was 100% not down for whatever it was you wanted to do even when faced with considerable generosity? What wouldn't she do?
100% correct. But FB girls are not 9's and 10's.
When I do encounter an 8 and above and it's a must have I will not argue on price unless it's just ridiculous.Really, so all Colombian women on FB are 8's or less? That seems unlikely, even 9/10's can have FB profiles.
Take a look around and tell me how well your standard theory is working. There are all kinds of people who can flip burgers. It doesn't take a lot of skills to run a modern point of sale system. Yet at more than double minimum wage they can't find workers.
All I can say is that you're lucky there are women who will fuck for money, because that belief means you're probably not getting laid twice by the same girl, unless she's getting paid or you're married to her.
I used to hire "unskilled" labor 4 or 5 times a week. Over a 7 year stretch I probably hired nearly 1,000 different people, usually for 1 day. There's a huge difference between the person who is just there to get the minimum pay and the person who wants you to call him next time. There's a huge difference between the ones who need constant supervision and the ones you can just turn loose and let them do their thing. Not to mention the difference between those who will steal anything they can and the ones who are trustworthy and dependable.
Then there are the ones who did nothing but complain, the ones who threatened my customers and the ones who threatened to rob me..I think Mr E has pussy fatigue syndrome and he will offer all women the same Big Mac price no matter differences in looks and if one is a superstar in bed he might pay more the second go around. Some of the guys on this board said they have been with 800 to 1000 women. All girls start looking like a Big Mac after that many women.
You nailed it.
Weekend warriors don't really care about the price, which is fixed at La Isla and is less than 100 USD, not sure about San Diego or Fase Dos. When you have zero sex in the States, any average looking girl or girl next door becomes very attractive. Beer goggles help a lot too.
Last week I went to La Isla with another ISG member, it was our last night in Medellin before we headed back. All my FB and SA dates flaked that night, so I had no other options. Talent at the club was average, but I did session though, just because I wanted to bust a nut. Average looking girl, average all covered session, at 320 k cop. I've been to La Isla before, I knew what to expect, so no surprises here, just wanted to pop my last load before heading back home.
BTW, girls at La Isla (and Gusto) are all dolled up to the nines and look sexy in those tiny dresses, but once the clothes come off and the lights are on, you realize that they are just average looking older chicks.
I have bought fake Cialis from a farmacia in Tijuana it was in a box with the logo on the tinfoil blister pak, everything was printed with Cialis like the real thing, also with the hologram sticker seal.
Those pills are around 90 usd in USA.
I paid 5 usd each, you can't buy legit brand name Cialis 20 MG for 5 usd in Tijuana they were knockoffs and did nothing for me, but steal my money.
Hopefully no toxic ingredients.I got burned once in Tijuana with fake Cialis. Never again.
Figrals at Piri Farmacia, a box of 50 MG 10 tablets / 400 pesos. Works like a charm every time. Haven't looked back in 3 years.
JamesPearle
02-26-22, 20:48
You test drive cars so you know the performance before you make the purchase. You rarely get to test drive a hooker before purchase.
How much you agree to pay beforehand has zero to say about the quality of the sex, because you have no idea what it will be. You are gambling.This is one advantage of strip clubs. On my last trip, I found my main girl at La Isla. Had the chance to see her naked, check for any odor problems, get a feel for her personality, and paid for a blow job just as a final test of the merch. That was just appetizer. When I realized she was legit, I asked her to come back to my place the next day. If you just want to get your rocks off. The strip club rooms are decent. Since I don't fuck hot 18 year old Latinas every day, when I do get the opportunity I want to take my time and enjoy the experience. Of course, it's a bigger investment overall, but the goal is having fun not trying to stress over a few pennies.
Anyone have an experience where the girl was 100% not down for whatever it was you wanted to do even when faced with considerable generosity? What wouldn't she do?I can answer that with a question. Would you suck a dick for $500?
If the girl isn't interested in what I want, I either move on, or I decide to save my money and accept what she's offering for the original price.
If it's something she really doesn't want to do, you end up paying a lot of money for something that won't be anywhere near what you expect. If she's just trying to get you to pay extra for something you can easily get for no extra charge, why reward her?
Thats funny. But true.And the permanent psychological and emotional scars don't have a price tag either.
SankarShetty
02-27-22, 02:01
I am very thankful to the BMs who share a wealth of knowledge on traveling in and around Medellin. Over the past year I made trips once in three months for usually week to 10 days (see my trip reports). I have my routine. Eating and fucking every day for 10 days. Rinse and repeat every three months. I am beginning to get bored. The city and the chicas do not exicte as much as they*did in the beginning. I use a blend of SA, FB, casas, centro and have developed a stable of regular repeat chicas.
Chicas that I keep seeing are slowly including me in their dramas. My mom is sick, I need tv shit.
I am fairly familiar with casas and centro chicas too. When*you know this many centro pros, you already know you have spent too much time here. Hehe.
My next trip is in 3 weeks, I am contemplating changing the scene.
I do not have a ton of time to prepare, usually start conversing on SA and tinder about a week before the trip. Loved the convenience*of casas and strip clubs since fb and SA flake rates are super high in Medellin. My biggest reason in not exploring a new city in the past year is the nature of my vacation. I work remotely for a few days and take a few days off during the 10 days and stay near :aureles, ciduad del Rio, envigado etc. I need good internet and lot of mongering options in between work days.
Thinking about these 4 options. Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla and Lima, Peru (I love Peruvian food) check out the Lima thread for a latest detailed trip report by Rickdraven.
Which city among the 4 will be good for -.
Speedy internet, relatively quiet and safe neighborhoods with not too much traffic.
Rudimentary Spanish will be tolerated.
A good number of mongering options. Casas, street scene, online etc.
Do not need 9 or 10 rated chicas. Happy with 6 to 8 ones and lower flake rates.
What do you guys think?
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The part you seemed to skip is that you do not know the combination of skills the provider has until you have first agreed on a price.I believe that to only be partially true if you are getting good tonsil hockey and free roaming hands during the negotiation process. And you can get pretty specific about what skills you are looking for, and evaluate the response. You make a decent point, but in the proper venue with a direct approach, you can make some headway to evaluating a skill set before setting a price.
Or you can set a low price, have some varied results, but find some gems to repeat with at low prices.
Weekend warriors don't really care about the price, which is fixed at La Isla and is less than 100 USD, not sure about San Diego or Fase Dos. When you have zero sex in the States, any average looking girl or girl next door becomes very attractive. Beer goggles help a lot too.
Last week I went to La Isla with another ISG member, it was our last night in Medellin before we headed back. All my FB and SA dates flaked that night, so I had no other options. Talent at the club was average, but I did session though, just because I wanted to bust a nut. Average looking girl, average all covered session, at 320 k cop. I've been to La Isla before, I knew what to expect, so no surprises here, just wanted to pop my last load before heading back home.
BTW, girls at La Isla (and Gusto) are all dolled up to the nines and look sexy in those tiny dresses, but once the clothes come off and the lights are on, you realize that they are just average looking older chicks.320 k Cop is too much for cover. Go to blue door or those others spots and pay 50 - 60 k cop for covered. Makes more sense. For 320 k Cop nothing should be covered. I'm serious and trust me I know.
Just a quick note to point out that a number of you have been commenting on a post by BM Shemp which was actually drafted by JjBee62, but which Shemp (I assume unintentionally) included in his post without putting it in the usual QUOTE box. Speaking as a certified geezer myself, I found JjBee62 observations to be both amusing and tellingly on target. As a a parenthetical addendum, let me add that not only am I amazed at the ability / willingness of many if not most of the wg chicas here to weave the GFE illusion, but, even more incredibly, am astounded by those girls, who, when between the sheets with a guy 50-60 years their senior (old enough to be their great-grandfather), can actually get the juices flowing in copious quantities and reach the climatic Big-O.It happens. Sometimes people get in a hurry and mess up the quote.
Regarding your last point, give yourself some credit. Women tend to be less focused on visual stimulation than men. Quite a few guys already know this, as I'm sure you do. If you engage their other senses, take your time and provide the right atmosphere, they're more likely to not need to put on an act.
We've got a big advantage with these girls. Our competition is much younger and in better shape, but they're only focused on their own pleasure.
FlappyGilmore
02-27-22, 03:52
I am a long-time veteran of mongering in Cuba during its heyday, Costa Rica during its heyday, and Nuevo Laredo as well. Medellin is the new playground. Each trip I have something of a focus. After RTFF, this trip I decided to concentrate on candy and coffee girls in Centro. I am mostly a day / evening guy anyway, so this worked out perfect. I did do the Lleres however. I had seen the candy and coffee girls many times, but never thought to approach them until my brothers here enlightened me. They were not wrong. I had excellent experiences with some very cute ladies, who all wanted 30. I upgraded for my sick fetishes. Up to 50 and a couple of times to 100 (max $25), and they jumped on it like a dog on a bone. Pun intended. Clearly one has to do more due diligence, but they are out there and they are plentiful. Generally speaking, odds are better for a great time, GFE, with a coffee or candy girl than they standard Centro worker at the same spot every day. Thanks for the heads up.
As a side note, I had a hotel a block from Lleres, but also got an inexpensive condo 2 blocks away to play in. Nice to have both. Hotel was the safe house. The receptionist noticed I did not bring ladies back and I told her that I was only interested in her. Not the hookers at the park. She had my phone number off my registration and called me. Spent two nights with her at the condo after she got off work. Of course gave her a propina as well. She did not ask, but strongly hinted. LMAO..I plan on going the same route with one location as a safe house and another to play but where do you take the candy girls? All the way back to lleres?
A girl of my dreams literally walked through my open hotel door unannounced and uninvited and asked me to have sex with her, and then returned that same night for more of the same.
Fantasy you say? My hotel door was ajar waiting for my new best friend and fellow monger who is staying in the same hotel to arrive.
Instead, a chica I have known for a couple years, Secret, a hardcore but high class Bello (rough area of Medellin) puta and drug dealer came sauntering through my open door with a new friend close behind. She announced, "I brought my friend here for you to suck her ass."
That was our introduction. Nineteen years old, hawt as fuck, pretty face, especially if a 70's hippie girl type would turn you on.
This is not the first time my ass-eating skills have snagged me some fine Colombiana poontang without lifting a finger, but she is the hawtest one so far, (remember "The Hulk" jajajaja, scoffers) and so far we are fast becoming Fuck-Buddies.
After she saw the fotos, she grabbed my phone to enter her name in my Whassap so I could send them to her. Obviously, I will not reveal her real name, but the name she entered in my phone was the exact same name as my home town in the United States, with only the final letter being different. Mind blown, a regular occurrence for me here in Medellin.
Ostee Out, and let's all Keep On Keepin' On.
You also have no idea beforehand if she's on her period or has an infection and her pussy smells.Almost sounds like a "trifecta" if a Chica has all three at the same time.
You notice blood, or an odd color discharge on your Willy, and it smells, now this is a true boner killer!
And the thought of encountering this while eating a Chica out, now that is gross. LOL.
I've only dipped my toe into things in Lima using Photokinesteticas and the local boards but I can tell you already 90% of the girls you'll probably want to see will be Venecas or Colombianas. Also the going rates are a bit higher given the stronger Sol. The food and culture is amazing. I stayed near the Larco museum in a middle class neighborhood (can't remember the name) as well as in Lince and felt safe even walking at night. I can't tell you for sure but I'd guess internet is comparable. So if sex is your #1 concern I'd stay in Colombia (why leave if you end up fucking vennies and colombianas anyway). But Limas definitely got better food than Medellin and loads of cool things to do.
I am very thankful to the BMs who share a wealth of knowledge on traveling in and around Medellin. Over the past year I made trips once in three months for usually week to 10 days (see my trip reports). I have my routine. Eating and fucking every day for 10 days. Rinse and repeat every three months. I am beginning to get bored. The city and the chicas do not exicte as much as they*did in the beginning. I use a blend of SA, FB, casas, centro and have developed a stable of regular repeat chicas.
Chicas that I keep seeing are slowly including me in their dramas. My mom is sick, I need tv shit.
I am fairly familiar with casas and centro chicas too. When*you know this many centro pros, you already know you have spent too much time here. Hehe.
My next trip is in 3 weeks, I am contemplating changing the scene.
I do not have a ton of time to prepare, usually start conversing on SA and tinder about a week before the trip. Loved the convenience*of casas and strip clubs since fb and SA flake rates are super high in Medellin. My biggest reason in not exploring a new city in the past year is the nature of my vacation. I work remotely for a few days and take a few days off during the 10 days and stay near :aureles, ciduad del Rio, envigado etc. I need good internet and lot of mongering options in between work days.
Thinking about these 4 options. Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla and Lima, Peru (I love Peruvian food) check out the Lima thread for a latest detailed trip report by Rickdraven.
Which city among the 4 will be good for -.
Speedy internet, relatively quiet and safe neighborhoods with not too much traffic.
Rudimentary Spanish will be tolerated.
A good number of mongering options. Casas, street scene, online etc.
Do not need 9 or 10 rated chicas. Happy with 6 to 8 ones and lower flake rates.
What do you guys think?
Meant to include this photo in previous post.
MarquisdeSade1
02-27-22, 07:50
I got burned once in Tijuana with fake Cialis. Never again.
Figrals at Piri Farmacia, a box of 50 MG 10 tablets / 400 pesos. Works like a charm every time. Haven't looked back in 3 years.Is the old guy that owned it still alive? They are nice people, I haven't been in there in several yrs, but they never carried brand name stuff like Cialis.
So I bought these right under the arch by the policia shack with the white stairs across from the dentista oficina, don't trust that dood he is a lying ass conman.
Really, so all Colombian women on FB are 8's or less? That seems unlikely, even 9/10's can have FB profiles.I believe he's talking about Facebook girls who are in the P4P game and he's going for more of an average than a definitive rating.
LoveItHere69
02-27-22, 18:39
One day in Medellin and I was ready to leave.Then why do you post so much in the Medellin Forum?
I've been back in Medellin for 3 days now and have been having am amazing time with both some girls I met in January and a new girl last night. Inviting girls to my apartment and cooking for them is one of my go to moves. The girls I see are all Facebook girls who I offer to pay "gastos" for instead of upfront pricing as well as one nonpro. Then I treat it like a date. My problem is that I've now cooked pasta carbonara 3 days straight and am getting bored of the same thing. I guess I just can't bring myself to throw out the excess ingredients. Where are the single serve meal kits when you need them?
All joking aside cooking is something I like to do and it's worked great for me with the chicas. I even brought some good Romano cheese and dried chilis with me for salsas from the states. In the end there are lots of ways to play the game, get the girls to be comfortable with you and maximize the sex.
Above Average
02-27-22, 20:17
So it turns out that my only upcoming opportunity to visit Medellin will be in May. After doing a tiny bit of research it looks like May is one of the cloudiest and rainiest months in Medellin. Is Medelline still a lively city with plenty to do during this time of year? The last time I was in Medellin was in February (of a previous year) and there were brief but heavy rain storms every day. I don't mind the rain, as long as it's doesn't rain for extended periods of time and cause people to stay home.
Would it be beneficial to go during a time of year when there are fewer tourists, or are there just fewer opportunities overall for mongering due to social climate?
I've only been to Bogota, Cartagena and Medellin, and I found Medellin to have the most beautiful women, and the friendliest people. Do the working girls and wealthy people of Colombia migrate around the country during different seasons?
Elvis 2008
02-27-22, 20:22
Thinking about these 4 options. Bogota, Cali, Barranquilla and Lima, Peru (I love Peruvian food) check out the Lima thread for a latest detailed trip report by Rickdraven.
Which city among the 4 will be good for -.
Speedy internet, relatively quiet and safe neighborhoods with not too much traffic.
Rudimentary Spanish will be tolerated.
A good number of mongering options. Casas, street scene, online etc.
Do not need 9 or 10 rated chicas. Happy with 6 to 8 ones and lower flake rates.
What do you guys think?I think Bogota has best internet of those cities. I found Lima to be more spotty. Barranquilla (BAQ) worked fine. Cali was okay but probably #3.
I used google translate and do not think language is much of an issue if you can get good with that in all those places.
With mongering, Lima has been cracking down. The women there are sweet but by far the least attractive of the four cities you mentioned. Bogota is #1 with women with BAQ #2 but there is not the variety or quantity of Bogota. Lima is also double the cost of the Colombian cities.
So Bogota is your best option on what you listed, but the issues with Bogota were not mentioned: altitude, climate, pollution, traffic. I would give yourself a few days there before committing. If you can take the negatives, that is where I would stay.
Thing about Lima I should point out is the food there is incredible, there is no altitude adjustment, and the weather reminds me of Northern California in the summer: foggy, cool, but pretty much the same every day. I do not go for that, but I know others love that kind of climate.
Lima and Mexico City seem to have an energy that Bogota does not. I would also throw out Mexico City as somewhere you should consider as well. Internet is the best there, and it is much cheaper and safer than you think.
Make sure to read the blog My Latin Life. The author has a great breakdown of cities. Good luck.
I've been to New Life (blue door) and I've been to La Isla. There's no comparison. I'm not saying one is better. It's like comparing steak to chewing gum. If you want gum it makes no sense to buy a steak dinner, and if you tell someone you're taking them out for a steak dinner, they're probably not going to consider a stick of gum as an acceptable substitute.
If you go to New Life at 11 pm, it's not open. If you go to La Isla at 11 am it's not open. Both places have a cover charge, but only one has a show (at New Life, you can either take a girl, buy a drink or pay a viewing fee). You can't sit with a girl at New Life for 2 hours to decide whether you want her services, unless you pay for 2 hours of her services without using those services.
At New Life, on a good day there might be 20 girls. On a good night there are about 100 at La Isla. It's a completely different atmosphere at each place. You go to a casa to pick a girl and get a quick fuck. While you can do that at La Isla, you're not going to be pleased with the experience.
Covered or uncovered has nothing to do with it. If you want uncovered, find a girl who will do it. You can get BBFS for less than you can get CFS at a casa. There's certainly no need to pay 300 k or more for it. However, if 300 k is the price you're comfortable with get the type of sex you want.
I plan on going the same route with one location as a safe house and another to play but where do you take the candy girls? All the way back to lleres?No. I doubt if you'll find any who will go. You take them to a short time room near where you found them. They know the way.
All joking aside cooking is something I like to do and it's worked great for me with the chicas. I even brought some good Romano cheese and dried chilis with me for salsas from the states. In the end there are lots of ways to play the game, get the girls to be comfortable with you and maximize the sex.Just one small tip. The majority of Colombians I have met here are not into spicy food at all. If you make a salsa with your dried chilis you may find that some find it way too hot even though you might consider it mild.
I plan on going the same route with one location as a safe house and another to play but where do you take the candy girls? All the way back to lleres?Yes, the best place to take a Centro candy girl is the Charlee Hotel in Parque Lleras.
Hello fellow mongers,
Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?
Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.
TedFerguson
02-27-22, 22:20
Howdy, I'm visiting Medellin in a few weeks for the first time and had a few oddball questions. I'm trying to focus on using SA and aim for some higher quality chicas.
- Do any of you worry about putting your income / net worth and the risk of kidnapping or extortion? Should I dial those numbers down or am I overthinking it.
- Anyone try flying in a girl from a neighboring city? Flights seem pretty cheap at maybe $50 round trip. Thinking of seeing if we vibe on video and then fly the girl in.
- Do any of you use cheap burner phones to reduce the impact of getting mugged? Again, might be overthinking it. Please excuse my silly questions.
This board is a great resource.
Thanks, Ted.
Went up to Manrique last week for the first time since about 1 yer before the pandemic started. My god, KI hardly recognise the place! So many changes. Seems like property in Manrique is a good investment right now. Lots of big new buildings going jup, loads new restaurants and clubs, many of the smaller ones closed down.
I went to Zenith. Loads of cute and available girls there. It does make me laugh though, watching the locals. They are like clones of each other, all dressing and styling the same way, dancing the same way, same mannerisms. Still, I had a lot of fun. Prices have gone up, but still a fraction of the price of a similar night in Poblado.
After the snow storm Friday I am very shortly getting on the plane and will be in Medellin soon.
Can't wait to engage in advanced levels of debauchery.
I trust the orgy pit has been scraped and butter.
Is there anywhere in town I can go to get my undercarriage shorn bare by an attractive lady?
If I don't get to fucked up I will try and report back to you gentlemen.
Who the fuck is Colombiafrank? I'm sorry, it's not polite to answer a question with a question. The election isn't happening for another two months. There are normally demonstrations during the preceding weeks. I doubt you will notice them in Poblado.
Hello fellow mongers,
Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?
Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.
I've been to New Life (blue door) and I've been to La Isla. There's no comparison. I'm not saying one is better. It's like comparing steak to chewing gum. If you want gum it makes no sense to buy a steak dinner, and if you tell someone you're taking them out for a steak dinner, they're probably not going to consider a stick of gum as an acceptable substitute.
If you go to New Life at 11 pm, it's not open. If you go to La Isla at 11 am it's not open. Both places have a cover charge, but only one has a show (at New Life, you can either take a girl, buy a drink or pay a viewing fee). You can't sit with a girl at New Life for 2 hours to decide whether you want her services, unless you pay for 2 hours of her services without using those services.
At New Life, on a good day there might be 20 girls. On a good night there are about 100 at La Isla. It's a completely different atmosphere at each place. You go to a casa to pick a girl and get a quick fuck. While you can do that at La Isla, you're not going to be pleased with the experience.
Covered or uncovered has nothing to do with it. If you want uncovered, find a girl who will do it. You can get BBFS for less than you can get CFS at a casa. There's certainly no need to pay 300 k or more for it. However, if 300 k is the price you're comfortable with get the type of sex you want.Uncovered for less than 50 -60 k cop. I think you need to check your reality.
That's what I found about the protests:
https://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/419538-comite-nacional-paro-colombia-convocar-protestas-duque
Among the next marches are the mobilization against the cost of living, scheduled for March 3; another for International Women's Day, which is celebrated on March 8; the National Mobilization of April 28, which commemorates a year of the social outbreak; and the International Day of the Working Class, scheduled for May 1. The call comes just 32 days before the parliamentary elections and just over three months before the general elections on May 29.
Hello fellow mongers,
Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?
Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.
Howdy, I'm visiting Medellin in a few weeks for the first time and had a few oddball questions. I'm trying to focus on using SA and aim for some higher quality chicas.
- Do any of you worry about putting your income / net worth and the risk of kidnapping or extortion? Should I dial those numbers down or am I overthinking it.
- Anyone try flying in a girl from a neighboring city? Flights seem pretty cheap at maybe $50 round trip. Thinking of seeing if we vibe on video and then fly the girl in.
- Do any of you use cheap burner phones to reduce the impact of getting mugged? Again, might be overthinking it. Please excuse my silly questions..I think you putting too much effort into something that is so simple LOL May I ask how old you are?
Hello fellow mongers,
Just saw a video from Colombiafrank on YouTube, he said there will be protests because of the upcoming elections in Colombia. Do you think it is still safe to monger?
Will be in el Problado from 11th till 19th.Yes, it should be safe to monger unless you're decked out in campaign gear from a candidate.
However, on voting weekend all alcohol sales are prohibited from Friday evening (6 pm?) until Monday morning. Bars and clubs will be closed. On election day, which is on a Sunday the Metro is free, which usually means bigger crowds.
SankarShetty
02-28-22, 00:59
I think Bogota has best internet of those cities. I found Lima to be more spotty. Barranquilla (BAQ) worked fine. Cali was okay but probably #3.
I used google translate and do not think language is much of an issue if you can get good with that in all those places.
With mongering, Lima has been cracking down. The women there are sweet but by far the least attractive of the four cities you mentioned. Bogota is #1 with women with BAQ #2 but there is not the variety or quantity of Bogota. Lima is also double the cost of the Colombian cities.
So Bogota is your best option on what you listed, but the issues with Bogota were not mentioned: altitude, climate, pollution, traffic. I would give yourself a few days there before committing. If you can take the negatives, that is where I would stay.
Thing about Lima I should point out is the food there is incredible, there is no altitude adjustment, and the weather reminds me of Northern California in the summer: foggy, cool, but pretty much the same every day. I do not go for that, but I know others love that kind of climate.Appreciate the input. Food scene is a major attraction for Lima but a week trip will require significant prep and I think a semi work trip will not work.
Intrigued by Mexico City, looks like there is a good street scene but are there good casas in the city?
In the end, lets hit Bog this time, I think despite lousy weather and traffic, the wealth of info. On this board may turn this in to a quick hassle free trip.
Will report back with a trip report.
SankarShetty
02-28-22, 01:03
I've only dipped my toe into things in Lima using Photokinesteticas and the local boards but I can tell you already 90% of the girls you'll probably want to see will be Venecas or Colombianas. Also the going rates are a bit higher given the stronger Sol. The food and culture is amazing. I stayed near the Larco museum in a middle class neighborhood (can't remember the name) as well as in Lince and felt safe even walking at night. I can't tell you for sure but I'd guess internet is comparable. So if sex is your #1 concern I'd stay in Colombia (why leave if you end up fucking vennies and colombianas anyway). But Limas definitely got better food than Medellin and loads of cool things to do.Thanks for the input. I am planning to do Bogota this time and hit up Lima for a regular vacation trip later in the summer.
You are taking it too seriously.I figured as much after looking up the hotel. Looks like a nice place.
TiaVoyage25
02-28-22, 03:21
Gentlemen,
I will first give the necessary disclaimer that most of my reports on this forum are either trip reports, tips for mongers, or conversational pieces. You may note in my message history that I rarely, if ever, ask for advice. Most of the time I prefer to fly by wire and figure things out as I go after RTFF. That being said, I am in need of some advice from the esteemed members of this particular subforum. Due to a last minute change, I suddenly have some free time and will get a week to head to Colombia, as my original plan was to go to Brazil but that fell through due to some logistical inconveniences.
I have been to Medellin. I enjoyed Medellin, for the most part. My last time there, however, was not pleasant as I was staying at the M when it was raided because they were operating a bar without a license or some along those lines (aka they didn't pay their bribes). That essentially ruined the trip for me and I relocated to El Poblado where I spent the rest of my short time in the city. Most of the time I go to Bogota because I know the lay of the land and where to go, but today I had an itch to change my trip from Bogota to Medellin (still making up my mind depending on the results of this post). My understanding of RTFF is that SA and FB are the primary methods of mongering, with La Isla, New Life and Centro girls as secondary. The girls at the gringo bar in Park Lleras are a tertiary and expensive option.
My predicament and request. I have a week and I want to potentially experience Medellin but don't want to spend time figuring it out on ground. This past summer, I wrote a "Newbies Guide to Rio" which made it to the reports of distinction and I had a ton of fun just figuring things out as I went. I do not have the time on ground to do that and RTFF has only gotten me so far. I am requesting two things from the members of this forum.
1. If I were to spend 1 week in Medellin and wanted to have a carefree experience without having to prearrange things via FB or SA, where would you recommend I do this? I do not overpay as I am not interested in shifting market rates for my fellow man, rather I am interested in finding the highest concentration of "8's and 9's" in a few places. For those of who have been to Scandallo in Sao Paulo or Solarium in Rio, that is the environment I am looking for. I also like the environment of the clubs in SF in Bogota as quality can generally be found there as well. For this trip, convenience and quality are my top priorities.
2. If you, a fellow experienced Monger, were in my shoes, and only had a week to have a good time, would you go to Bogota or Medellin? Keep in mind that I am intimately familiar with Bogota but only have an elementary understanding of how things work in Medellin. Please only include mongering in your criteria. Weather and whatnot are not particularly important for me this trip.
As always, feel free to PM if you are interested in tips for Bogota, Sao Paulo, or Rio. I am very familiar with the lay of the land in those places and will happily share.
Tia.
Lucky Nuts
02-28-22, 04:09
Howdy, I'm visiting Medellin in a few weeks for the first time and had a few oddball questions. I'm trying to focus on using SA and aim for some higher quality chicas.
- Do any of you worry about putting your income / net worth and the risk of kidnapping or extortion? Should I dial those numbers down or am I overthinking it.
- Anyone try flying in a girl from a neighboring city? Flights seem pretty cheap at maybe $50 round trip. Thinking of seeing if we vibe on video and then fly the girl in.
- Do any of you use cheap burner phones to reduce the impact of getting mugged? Again, might be overthinking it. Please excuse my silly questions.
This board is a great resource.
Thanks, Ted.I've used SA the last couple winters in Medellin. I always report the lowest income and lowest assets catagories which I believe are $100 k because I don't think the real chicas selling ass are even looking at that so why report more and attract unwanted attention. Probably chicas looking for an actual arrangement are evaluating that info but I'm only looking for "pay per meeting".
A common scam is a chica telling you she lives a couple hours away and wants to come and meet you but has no money so please send some. I know guys that have donated money to chicas this way. If it's a $50 flight I'd offer to book her the ticket and meet her at the airport upon arrival. But don't send her any money not even for the taxi to her local airport. You will never see her.
Regarding phones I only use a cheap burner phone when I'm in Medellin. One that I don't care to lose or give up. You can buy a very decent phone locally for about $100 worth of pesos. SIM cards and data are dirt cheap. And it's nice to have a disposable whatsapp number rather than your home phone number imo.
Uncovered for less than 50 -60 k cop. I think you need to check your reality.Or you could just read the forum. It's been reported several times, some within the past few weeks.
The last time I did BBFS in Medellin I paid 100 k for a Facebook girl, she was with me for 2 hours and it was in Christmas Eve (2017). I didn't even ask for BBFS. At the time the going rate for Facebook was 150 k + 20 k for taxi. She was quite a good performer. She was also the reason why I no longer do BBFS with hookers.
I left the LOL after my post. LOL.I should add that if you're taking a candy girl to the Charlee, you should at least spring for an Uber Black.
Gentlemen,
I will first give the necessary disclaimer that most of my reports on this forum are either trip reports, tips for mongers, or conversational pieces. You may note in my message history that I rarely, if ever, ask for advice. Most of the time I prefer to fly by wire and figure things out as I go after RTFF. That being said, I am in need of some advice from the esteemed members of this particular subforum. Due to a last minute change, I suddenly have some free time and will get a week to head to Colombia, as my original plan was to go to Brazil but that fell through due to some logistical inconveniences.
I have been to Medellin. I enjoyed Medellin, for the most part. My last time there, however, was not pleasant as I was staying at the M when it was raided because they were operating a bar without a license or some along those lines (aka they didn't pay their bribes). That essentially ruined the trip for me and I relocated to El Poblado where I spent the rest of my short time in the city. Most of the time I go to Bogota because I know the lay of the land and where to go, but today I had an itch to change my trip from Bogota to Medellin (still making up my mind depending on the results of this post). My understanding of RTFF is that SA and FB are the primary methods of mongering, with La Isla, New Life and Centro girls as secondary. The girls at the gringo bar in Park Lleras are a tertiary and expensive option.
My predicament and request. I have a week and I want to potentially experience Medellin but don't want to spend time figuring it out on ground. This past summer, I wrote a "Newbies Guide to Rio" which made it to the reports of distinction and I had a ton of fun just figuring things out as I went. I do not have the time on ground to do that and RTFF has only gotten me so far. I am requesting two things from the members of this forum..1. That place doesn't exist in Medellin, or if it does it's the best kept secret in Colombia. Some people will tell you their favorite spot is best for you, but I've checked out almost all of them and they've all been hit or miss. Unfortunately, the best option (IMO) in Medellin is Facebook. Many people disagree. It requires some prior planning. On the plus side, once you've done the work you have an inexhaustible supply of women. That's no help now.
2. I'd go to where you already know how to find what you're looking for, Bogota. Why risk wasting time overcoming issues in Medellin when you only have a week? Save it for when you have more time and can establish a workable game plan.
Appreciate the input. Food scene is a major attraction for Lima but a week trip will require significant prep and I think a semi work trip will not work.
Intrigued by Mexico City, looks like there is a good street scene but are there good casas in the city?
In the end, lets hit Bog this time, I think despite lousy weather and traffic, the wealth of info. On this board may turn this in to a quick hassle free trip.
Will report back with a trip report.Unless it has changed, Twitter is a common source for women in Mexico City. Some of the guys on the Mexico City board can help you. I really enjoyed my very brief stopover there.
Mr Enternational
02-28-22, 06:30
A common scam is a chica telling you she lives a couple hours away and wants to come and meet you but has no money so please send some. I know guys that have donated money to chicas this way.I don't know if it is a scam or mfs are just stupid. The first thing I say to a chick after Hello, is what part of whatever city she has in her profile that she lives in. Today alone I have talked to like 10 chicks on Cupid that do not live where their profile says. One chick's profile said she lives in Medellin. I ask what part. She says why. I say because a lot of people say they live somewhere but they do not. In the midst of this she changes her profile to say Bogota then says she lives in Medellin but Colombians are scared bla, bla, bla. Wherever you are going there will be too many women to worry about one that is in a city that you are not in.
This is strictly a newbie post with some tips to help with something you might not have thought about. Note, the Spanish phrases may not be exact, but they should be reasonably close.
1. Some of the US franchises you'll find are Subway, McDonald's, Burger King, Starbucks, KFC and Dominos. The food there is pretty close to what you're used to.
2. If you go to an upscale Colombian burger restaurant, your burger will probably be cooked rare, medio. Ask for "tres cuartos" if you want it medium. I never learned the local term for burn the fuck out of it.
3. Colombian food is not spicy. Many people consider it bland. You might not care for it. There are some good soups you might enjoy.
4. Sushi, Italian and Mexican food in Colombia are okay, but probably not as good as your favorite place back home.
5. You'll likely be unimpressed by steaks in Colombia.
6. Service in Colombia is not what you expect. Once they seat you and hand you a menu they won't return, ever, unless you flag them down. Every time you need something you need to flag them down. If you accidentally set yourself on fire, you'll need to flag them down. Just raise your hand and catch your server's attention. On rare occasions you might need to set yourself on fire to get their attention.
7. To ask for your check, flag down your server and ask for "La cuenta. " You will probably be asked "en efectivo o con su tarjeta?" Are you paying cash or with a card? You will also be asked "deseas incluir el servicio?" Do you want to include the standard 10% tip? Your check will probably have 2 different prices on it, with and without the tip. Paying it is voluntary. You do not need to tip any extra. Also, if you're paying with a card do not give them your card. They will bring a handheld card reader to you.
8. There are a lot of fruits you probably aren't familiar with, this includes fruit juices. You might like some of them. If you order juice, you might be asked "en leche o en agua?" Do you want it mixed with milk or water?
9. A common drink served with meals is guarapo. It's made with panelsa (sugar cane extract), lime juice and water. If you like sweet tea you'll probably like it.
10. The giant things that look like avocados are Lorena avocados. They have less flavor than the Haas avocadoes.
11. The Colombian chain restaurant you should try is Crepes and Waffles, except it uses the Spanish word for and, which the text editor changes to "why. " The name tells you what is on the menu.
12. The small white disk served with your meal is an arepa. Some people consider it edible. There are other varieties of arepas which are edible.
13. Many restaurants offer a menu of the day. It comes with your choice of meat, beef, pork or chicken and sometimes fish, rice, a small salad, avocado, fried plantain, and maybe potatoes and or yuca. Yuca is for people who like eating the small white disk found in 12. The meal might also include soup or beans and will come with a drink, probably a choice between guarapo and some type of juice. The total cost is usually between $2-$4 US. Tip included.
14. The local equivalent of "enough food to choke an elephant" is called "Bandeja Paisa. " Five orders of Bandeja Paisa would have solved Matt Damon's food problem in "The Martian. " Check with your cardiologist before ordering.
15. The tap water in Medellin is safe to drink. Aguardiente isn't.
Always have a WhatsApp with the sim of the country you're in. Then delete it at the end of your vacation and keep the girls you like in your contact list. I set up a date on mileroticos, which is a dumpster fire of a website, she then asked me to send her a deposit after we set a time. I told her no and I'm canceling our appointment. She starts begging me not to cancel. I then get a what's app message with a guy with a shotgun in the picture to try and scare me. I didn't read the message so I don't know what BS it said in there. I then deleted the what's app. Lesson learned. Never use your real number or even google voice because your Google voice is attached to your real number.
I don't know if it is a scam or mfs are just stupid. The first thing I say to a chick after Hello, is what part of whatever city she has in her profile that she lives in. Today alone I have talked to like 10 chicks on Cupid that do not live where their profile says. One chick's profile said she lives in Medellin. I ask what part. She says why. I say because a lot of people say they live somewhere but they do not. In the midst of this she changes her profile to say Bogota then says she lives in Medellin but Colombians are scared bla, bla, bla. Wherever you are going there will be too many women to worry about one that is in a city that you are not in.In my opinion, for a first time visitor, going to another city to see a particular chica, or flying in a chica from another city is a huge mistake. It's the mistake I made on my first mongering trip to the DR. Instead of going to Boca Chica or Sosua, I went to San Pedro de Macoris, because there were 2 girls there I thought were worth it. The first one was a disaster and the next morning I cancelled everything and got my ass on the first bus to Santo Domingo and then on the next bus to Sosua. I was able to salvage the trip from there.
If you're a seasoned international traveler, you already know what works for you and how to make the most of any city. If it's your first time then keep it simple.
Guys need to keep it simple. It doesn't matter where the girl is. She needs to get to the guy. If she can't then a polite "we'll do it another time" is in order. Like Ariana Grande said "thank you, next."
I don't know if it is a scam or mfs are just stupid. The first thing I say to a chick after Hello, is what part of whatever city she has in her profile that she lives in. Today alone I have talked to like 10 chicks on Cupid that do not live where their profile says. One chick's profile said she lives in Medellin. I ask what part. She says why. I say because a lot of people say they live somewhere but they do not. In the midst of this she changes her profile to say Bogota then says she lives in Medellin but Colombians are scared bla, bla, bla. Wherever you are going there will be too many women to worry about one that is in a city that you are not in.
I've noticed that a couple of the FB girls I've met post memes about their sexual likes and dislikes. I'd consider myself low volume in terms of the girls I see with an emphasis on maximizing quality. I always try to do a deep dive in profiles of girls I pull the trigger on to get a sense of them. One of the girls I saw last time A the camgirl posted a meme about how she liked to be teased with foreplay (slow buildup to DATY, kissing collarbone and around breasts before nipple etc). So I tried it to good effect and got lots of compliments afterwards. The girl E I saw on Saturday posted about not liking beards for DATY. Well, while I do my homework, I was not about to shave off my beard. She asked me to go down on her and lo and behold she was pulling away and laughing after a while. I might try a washcloth around the beard when I see E today. So it's worth doing your homework. I've also seen posts about hating anal, liking girls and all kinds of random, stuff on chicas walls and stories. Both A and E did not ask me for money upfront. I wouldn't bother putting in the time to research a hardened pro asking 200 plus "por una hora".
My guide today took me down to centro and while yeah, I definitely saw some diamonds in the rough, raunchy in just the way I would like very much. I was immediately getting sized up by the locals, they were literally pointing at me. Tried to dress down, old jeans and a tee shirt but I am a fat gringo, no hiding it. My guide saw something and he got really uncomfortable and said it's time to go. Like I said it's too bad, some really nice skanky ones, just perfect for the old high risk raw dog. I like taking chances with my life. In bed. Not getting rolled by a gang.
Anyways I got a FB girl coming after my rappi delivery of lube, Cialis and (hopefully won't have to use them) condoms. The FB leg work has paid off so far as I can tell, my messages are blowing up as soon as I announced I am here.
I will keep you all updated.
Mr Enternational
02-28-22, 22:11
If you go to an upscale Colombian burger restaurant, your burger will probably be cooked rare, medio. Ask for "tres cuartos" if you want it medium. I never learned the local term for burn the fuck out of it.Here is a chart.
RiceRocket99
02-28-22, 22:43
Remember, Manrique is our little secret hehe. Ive partied there numerous times pre-pandemic and a few times since. I remember hitting up club Praga when there was an 8pm curfew about a year ago. All music and partying stopped and then moved over to a makeshift area, kept the party going till midnight. Ordinary Medellin rules and laws dont apply in Manrique haha. Zenith is def the go to spot now. Its remodeled and lots of young and beautiful chicas, but also lots of young cats trying to spit game and yes many wear the same fit : jeans, graphics tee and a hat. I just love how you can smoke, snort, and sniff all you want in plain sight. Being a chino with a Cali type style/attitude, I def got lots of eye fucks/stares in a good way. But I’m always with amigas, so didn’t need to do any hunting. The contrast to that would be La Chula in Las Palmas. I was there partying it up this past weekend, it attracts a higher class of people and obviously lots of gringos and even chinos. Man, I need to go back to hiding in the northern suburbs. Medellin is officially overrun by gringos.
Went up to Manrique last week for the first time since about 1 yer before the pandemic started. My god, KI hardly recognise the place! So many changes. Seems like property in Manrique is a good investment right now. Lots of big new buildings going jup, loads new restaurants and clubs, many of the smaller ones closed down.
I went to Zenith. Loads of cute and available girls there. It does make me laugh though, watching the locals. They are like clones of each other, all dressing and styling the same way, dancing the same way, same mannerisms. Still, I had a lot of fun. Prices have gone up, but still a fraction of the price of a similar night in Poblado.
Here is a chart.My list appears different:
Meats.
Posta--Top Round.
Muchacho --Heel.
Huevo de Aldana --Bottom Round.
Tabla --Bottom Round.
Solomito Redondo -Sirloin.
Solomito Largo -Tri-Tip.
Punta de Ancha -Sirloin Tip Center.
Hígado -Liver.
Rare = muy jugosa.
Medium rare = jugosa.
Medium = a punto.
Medium well = cocida.
Well done = bien cocida.
Playboy2021
03-01-22, 01:00
I just spent two weeks in Medellin. I had another successful trip sport fucking girls from Seeking. I scheduled two or three girls per day and called them Ubers to be delivered directly to my hotel. Highly recommend York Luxury Suites Hotel. It's exceptional.
Pros of Medellin: sheer volume of girls available online. More girls that I could possibly meet with. Good looking girls, well behaved, will do whatever you want for the right price.
Cons: shitty weather (it's cloudy and rains everyday) and the logistics. On average it takes an hour to schedule an Uber, successfully pick up the girl and have her brought to me. Can be challenging as the drivers here are fucking terrible. Coordinating pick up between driver and girl, driver cancellations, incorrect pick up locations, etc.
I prefer the beach, sun and easy logistics. Headed to Rio de Janeiro shortly.
.Th e last time I did BBFS in Medellin I paid 100 k for a Facebook girl, she was with me for 2 hours and it was in Christmas Eve (2017). I didn't even ask for BBFS. At the time the going rate for Facebook was 150 k + 20 k for taxi. She was quite a good performer. She was also the reason why I no longer do BBFS with hookers.Mind sharing as to why you ceased bare-backing hookers after being with this Facebook girl.
I know bare-backing can be quite a topic here, with a wide range of attitudes about it, and am just curious as to what changed your mind on things, and am sure you had a very good reason, such as catching an STD.
I'm not trying to put you on the spot, your posts are always full of good information, and if you decline to respond, I apologize for bringing the question up.
Remember, Manrique is our little secret hehe. Ive partied there numerous times pre-pandemic and a few times since. I remember hitting up club Praga when there was an 8pm curfew about a year ago. All music and partying stopped and then moved over to a makeshift area, kept the party going till midnight. Ordinary Medellin rules and laws dont apply in Manrique haha. Zenith is def the go to spot now. Its remodeled and lots of young and beautiful chicas, but also lots of young cats trying to spit game and yes many wear the same fit : jeans, graphics tee and a hat. I just love how you can smoke, snort, and sniff all you want in plain sight. Being a chino with a Cali type style/attitude, I def got lots of eye fucks/stares in a good way. But Im always with amigas, so didnt need to do any hunting. The contrast to that would be La Chula in Las Palmas. I was there partying it up this past weekend, it attracts a higher class of people and obviously lots of gringos and even chinos. Man, I need to go back to hiding in the northern suburbs. Medellin is officially overrun by gringos.And it's the halfway point for the "backway" from El Centro to Bello on Calle 46 (don't quote me on that street number) that is quicker, cheaper taxi, more interesting, and bypasses all the snarls and traffic jams on the main highway. Oops, sorry, let another little secret out of the bag. In fact, even though it's shorter I tell the taxi driver ahead of time that I will give him 20 mil to take the back way simply because it is so much more enjoyable.
TiaVoyage25
03-01-22, 04:13
1. That place doesn't exist in Medellin, or if it does it's the best kept secret in Colombia. Some people will tell you their favorite spot is best for you, but I've checked out almost all of them and they've all been hit or miss. Unfortunately, the best option (IMO) in Medellin is Facebook. Many people disagree. It requires some prior planning. On the plus side, once you've done the work you have an inexhaustible supply of women. That's no help now.
2. I'd go to where you already know how to find what you're looking for, Bogota. Why risk wasting time overcoming issues in Medellin when you only have a week? Save it for when you have more time and can establish a workable game plan.Much appreciated. Bogota it is this time around. I look forward to exploring Medellin again in the not too distant future.
Remember, Manrique is our little secret hehe. Ive partied there numerous times pre-pandemic and a few times since. I remember hitting up club Praga when there was an 8pm curfew about a year ago. All music and partying stopped and then moved over to a makeshift area, kept the party going till midnight. Ordinary Medellin rules and laws dont apply in Manrique haha. Zenith is def the go to spot now. Its remodeled and lots of young and beautiful chicas, but also lots of young cats trying to spit game and yes many wear the same fit : jeans, graphics tee and a hat. I just love how you can smoke, snort, and sniff all you want in plain sight. Another thing I noticed is that there are som nay police there now. Checking drink driving especially. Incredible that they should pick on the locals there instead of anyone else, but heyho. Am sure they can afford to pay the fines. Not.
Send me a PM if you have pans to build a high risein Manrique. Especially a low budget one hehe.
PS: I am not a gringo.
DriftClouds
03-01-22, 07:45
The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.
BrasilSoccer0
03-01-22, 17:35
It's difficult if your Spanish is nonexistent.
I highly recommend you visit el centro. Many casas there and no need for Spanish. Especially if your pressed on time.
The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.
Shagmeister7777
03-01-22, 17:40
I just spent two weeks in Medellin. I had another successful trip sport fucking girls from Seeking. I scheduled two or three girls per day and called them Ubers to be delivered directly to my hotel. Highly recommend York Luxury Suites Hotel. It's exceptional.
Pros of Medellin: sheer volume of girls available online. More girls that I could possibly meet with. Good looking girls, well behaved, will do whatever you want for the right price.
Cons: shitty weather (it's cloudy and rains everyday) and the logistics. On average it takes an hour to schedule an Uber, successfully pick up the girl and have her brought to me. Can be challenging as the drivers here are fucking terrible. Coordinating pick up between driver and girl, driver cancellations, incorrect pick up locations, etc.
I prefer the beach, sun and easy logistics. Headed to Rio de Janeiro shortly.I started with 150.000 COP with one SA girl and she responded back with $200 USD.
Another one quoted 600.000 COP for 2-3 hours. One has been constantly begging me for.
Rent money. What were you paying for SA girls?
The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.Hit some strip clubs, they are all brothels too, you can have a drink and pick out a hottie & test drive, if she is fun, get her # for meeting when she is off work.
I like Fase II for higher end and Conejitas and Barra Ejectiva for better rates.
JoeThighsMan
03-01-22, 19:32
How does one go about finding Colombian facebook girls? I assume its wise to not use your actual profile, and create a hobby profile. Any other tips and pointers?
Thanks in advance!
TedFerguson
03-01-22, 20:53
Thank you Lucky Nuts for confirming that being careful down here is a good idea. I got a second SIM card and set up a WhatsApp for Business with the number. Even got some numbers from SA girls, however this seems too easy.
What do you guys do to confirm the girls are real and not scammers? Ask for a video call or meet in the hotel lobby and turn her away if things look off?
Mr Enternational
03-01-22, 21:21
Left Bogota a day early and came to Medellin. I sent Nutibara a message to see if any rooms were available but they never messaged me back. Lucky I was able to book a room on booking.
Got to the airport and took the bus for 13K. I was in the bus at 6:30pm but we had to wait until it filled up, so left around 6:50pm. At 7:50pm I arrived downtown and walked the 1 block to Nutibara. I asked the receptionist why they did not answer on whatsapp. She said that was all the reservations department business.
I hopped an Indriver to go meet a chick in Bello. But Indriver in Medellin does not give a suggested price as it does in Bogota. I put in 20K and it was accepted quickly. Coming back I put in 15K and it was accepted quickly as well.
As soon as I got out of the car about 11:45pm, I tried to make rounds. It was raining though. I managed to hit Conejitas, Hilton, and Grill Nueva. Out of those only Grill Nueva had something decent and she was outside at the door. Looked more like she was streetwalking with high heels and all on than working in that spot. I did not get a chance to walk down to Raudal because of the rain.
Today went to Zandalay for a while. Ended up with Yulia. She had no makeup, flip flops instead of those tall goofy ass shoes, and minimal tattoos. I saw her when I first got in but then she disappeared for a long time. I was sitting to where I could see the girls in their anteroom, but no idea what happened to her. She finally showed back up and went to the bathroom to brush her teeth. She had been eating lunch. And it must have been some strong shit (is this Colombia or Thailand) because she used mouthwash followed by 3 kinds of toothpaste, mouthwash again, then she went to get mints AND gum from the cashier. I told her lets go. 50K for 30 minutes.
Had a great time in the room. When she took her bra off I saw she had some milky titties. She grabbed my dick and a condom. At the same time. I snatched the condom and told her no way. She said how much will you give me. I said shit 10K. She said that was not enough but did it anyway.
She stopped and told me to suck her milky titties. I said shit how much will you give me? She said 5K. So I grabbed the condom and acted like I was going to put it on her tit. She started laughing. I said yeah see how much sense that shit makes. We were fucking like rabbits then got the bling bling bling. Murphy's Law: Whenever I get the 30 minutes I wish I would have gotten the hour. Whenever I get the hour, I wish I would have gotten 30 minutes.
Came down to the park/church and there are more hookers than you can shake a stick at down here. There are a lot of people in general. Too bad I am about to move to Laureles.
Left Bogota a day early and came to Medellin. I sent Nutibara a message to see if any rooms were available but they never messaged me back. Lucky I was able to book a room on booking.
Got to the airport and took the bus for 13K. I was in the bus at 6:30pm but we had to wait until it filled up, so left around 6:50pm. At 7:50pm I arrived downtown and walked the 1 block to Nutibara. I asked the receptionist why they did not answer on whatsapp. She said that was all the reservations department business.
I hopped an Indriver to go meet a chick in Bello. But Indriver in Medellin does not give a suggested price as it does in Bogota. I put in 20K and it was accepted quickly. Coming back I put in 15K and it was accepted quickly as well.
As soon as I got out of the car about 11:45pm, I tried to make rounds. It was raining though. I managed to hit Conejitas, Hilton, and Grill Nueva. Out of those only Grill Nueva had something decent and she was outside at the door. Looked more like she was streetwalking with high heels and all on than working in that spot. I did not get a chance to walk down to Raudal because of the rain.You fell for the lunch routine, you know better, she just guzzled a gallon of cum, ! What happened to girl in bello?
Batting. 500 on facebook. 1st girl looked good in her photos but had put on about 20 lbs since then she was just barely acceptable, barely. Also I haven't gotten laid since October of 2019 so I was going to hit it if she was a 3. She was a 4 so it was on. Gave a decent GFE with DFK, DATY, but sadly CBJ and CFS. She wanted double (400 k) for BB, nope. The jacuzzi was nice she spent 4 hours with me because when you are with Sargon it's party, we had some absolute vodka and we ordered El Coral.
Good time but I have a 19 why / o college student that I am taking out for a fancy dinner and a hard session after tonight. She came very highly recommend from some friends. Going to treat her like a princess and then like a. Well you know. The message board censors that word! LOL!
Second girl last night was a 5 out of ten, more deceptive photos. She was a absolute spinner but you can tell it's because she hasn't had a decent meal in a month. WTF. She gets here and she is kind of out of it, after just having a 4 hour long GFE, I was up for either GFE or PSE. This girl did want to talk much, I know google translate is kind of a drag but it ain't that bad. So not 5 minutes in we go into the bedroom, get naked and well shit. She used to have nice tits, but she ain't been eating and the look deflated. But Sargon is going to solder on! We get on the bed and she isn't letting touch her much, no bueno for me. But she says lay back and let me work (I think that what she said I have about 20 words in Spanish and most of them involve saying Hello). She then proceeds to give me the least inspired hand job of my life (which is saying a lot). And then she does the big no-no in Sargon's world, she is watching the clock. Deal was 2 hours, two leches, 200 k. Now she's says it 1 hour. I am not happy, I stop the action and say what's up. She starts to cry (I hate that, I am not into the are word, Sargon is a conqueror but a conqueror of love!) she then starts telling me some bullshit story about how she has only been doing this 15 days (oddly specific, don't ya think?) and she just got pregnant and the father got murdered last month and her mother is throwing her out of the house. So I have to get rid of her, I don't know the rules here, but in Thailand you pay the girl and make them leave, call the front desk if you have to. So sorry guys I know you may disagree with this but I paid her and made her go. I don't want trouble, its my 1st fucking day in this country. Too bad she wasn't cool because if she was cool and pregnant I would have paid extra to rappi bring down a pregnancy test and I would have gave her a ton of money to let me creampie her all night. Sargon is a very dirty dog, a gentleman to be sure but very, very dirty.
This always happens my 1st time and 1st day in a new scene, it goes off the rails, I expect it. So I am not letting this get me down. Had a great day with my guide, went sight seeing and had a wonder full experience. Some of the folks here are very friendly and helpful.
More updates to come. Going to a tour of the strip clubs either tomorrow or the next day. I wish I didn't feel like I had a huge target painted on me in El Centro, I want skank, I want to do it really dirty with one of the diamonds in the rough. Any suggestions on that guys? I dressed as down as I can but yeah, I stand out everywhere I go, it can't be helped. In Thailand that is plus, here it is a very mixed blessing.
Remember guys "If you can't be good, be fun".
I want skank, I want to do it really dirty with one of the diamonds in the rough. Any suggestions on that guys? I dressed as down as I can but yeah, I stand out everywhere I go, it can't be helped . . . Remember guys "If you can't be good, be fun".Great quote. I dunno, if your goal is skanky sex with an El Centro diamond in the rough, I don't think whether or not you blend in matters to them. I don't blend and I find great girls on the occasions I go to El Centro. Well, perhaps there have been a few times I went and did not select a chica but I would place that result more on my lack of motivation than than lack of supply of desirable wet holes. Usually it is so easy that my effort threshold is very low. But I digress.
I believe when mongers don't find what they are looking for at Ground Zero it is the same problem amateurs have when trying to triage a disaster scene. Their attention is skewed toward the blood and the guts and they are not able to form a picture of what is actually going on in front of them.
Look in the corners and the shadows for the less obvious girls that at first you may not even be sure if they are selling, but they are. One time I approached a chica and then her husband pulled up on a moto in the middle of it and we all had a good laugh. Nobody was offended. Forget about any preconceived notions and beliefs you have about Pay 4 Play from other parts of the world, and especially the United States when you come here. Start fresh with an open mind.
If you see a chica you really like, don't keep making the rounds looking for greener grass. Grab her the first moment you see her because the hawt ones get plucked fast.
For the nasty skank factor, I would lean more towards what Surfer Dude calls the candy girls or what some guys have mentioned as the girls on the steps at the metro station. I have not tried any of the stair chicas yet so I am talking out my ass but I can see the marketing angle and it makes sense. I would bet you are just as likely if not more to get freaky-deaky sex with the girls on the fringe instead of the middle of the triage disaster (Ground Zero).
Recent random gratuitous fotos. I call the marshmallows stuffed in the pregnant pussy "How to give a kid a sweet tooth" jajaa.
FlappyGilmore
03-02-22, 04:17
Batting. 500 on facebook. 1st girl looked good in her photos but had put on about 20 lbs since then she was just barely acceptable, barely. Also I haven't gotten laid since October of 2019 so I was going to hit it if she was a 3. She was a 4 so it was on. Gave a decent GFE with DFK, DATY, but sadly CBJ and CFS. She wanted double (400 k) for BB, nope. The jacuzzi was nice she spent 4 hours with me because when you are with Sargon it's party, we had some absolute vodka and we ordered El Coral.
Good time but I have a 19 why / o college student that I am taking out for a fancy dinner and a hard session after tonight. She came very highly recommend from some friends. Going to treat her like a princess and then like a. Well you know. The message board censors that word! LOL!
Second girl last night was a 5 out of ten, more deceptive photos. She was a absolute spinner but you can tell it's because she hasn't had a decent meal in a month. WTF. She gets here and she is kind of out of it, after just having a 4 hour long GFE, I was up for either GFE or PSE. This girl did want to talk much, I know google translate is kind of a drag but it ain't that bad. So not 5 minutes in we go into the bedroom, get naked and well shit. She used to have nice tits, but she ain't been eating and the look deflated. But Sargon is going to solder on! We get on the bed and she isn't letting touch her much, no bueno for me. But she says lay back and let me work (I think that what she said I have about 20 words in Spanish and most of them involve saying Hello). She then proceeds to give me the least inspired hand job of my life (which is saying a lot). And then she does the big no-no in Sargon's world, she is watching the clock. Deal was 2 hours, two leches, 200 k. Now she's says it 1 hour. I am not happy, I stop the action and say what's up. She starts to cry (I hate that, I am not into the are word, Sargon is a conqueror but a conqueror of love!) she then starts telling me some bullshit story about how she has only been doing this 15 days (oddly specific, don't ya think?) and she just got pregnant and the father got murdered last month and her mother is throwing her out of the house...Hey man,
I'm in MDE for a while also and looking to check out centro strip clubs. I'm on the centro patrol also and might blend in a bit better but my Spanish sucks. Let me know if you're up for grabbing a beer.
FlagRunner77
03-02-22, 05:00
New student here.
I've been running the gammut of emotions the past few weeks. I'm visiting SW USA for work in May and I have decided to fly somewhere for some P4 P. Initially, I focussed on Cuba. Not for P4 P but for a fun vacation. But the forum on here (all 100 pages that I read) was a bit of a downer in terms of the current situation. I then looked to Bogota, which I would love to visit, but Medellin has a greater pull for me for many reasons. So. Despite the additional cost and time eating into what is already only a 6-day trip, I'm making the extra flight to Medellin.
I had planned to visit in November 2021 but cancelled due to COVID. I was due to stay at La Mansion, but although I have no doubt that it is great for first timers, I think I'm comfortable enough to hopefully find a guest-friendly airbnb. That is my current main task.
I'm hoping to ask about the FB situation. I'm curently RTFF (The last 50 pages anyway) and I'm hoping that someone would be generous enough to reach out to me with a few known current FB options form which to start my search. Last time, when I was planning for my November trip, I started with 'happy ending Medellin' and made a few contacts from there, through which I scanned friends lists etc and had some good options. But I have struck out so far, albeit it ihas only been a week. I'm not getting any accepted friend requests. Maybe I've been blacklisted! Jajaja.
I just need to get a small thread to pull to get things going.
Also, rather off topic, but I'm looking to take some 1-on-1 dance classes when I'm in town (salsa). Does anyone have any knowledge / recommendations for anyone I can reach out to? The places I've found online seem to be a bit gouge-why in terms of 1-on-1 costs, aimed very much at the gringo $. I'm already quite experienced, so just looking to sharpen skills and hopefully find someone to accompany me to some dance clubs on a couple of evenings. Not expecting anything more, obviously.
Thanks!
The flight landed 5:45. Took the bus to San Diego mall. Right in front of the mall I see claro so I purchase the sim card there. The guy was super patient and nice. But we have language barrier so he was typing the whole time and I apologize for the inconvenience. So it took about an hour to get that sim card. Then it was around 8. The money exchange place closed. Took the taxes to the hotel. Center of the Poblado. Not much going on. Because I didn't have large amount of cop. I didn't go inside the clubs. The street hookers seems okay but not my type. I rather pick facebook girls. Then I walked every single streets at the Poblado area. Zero action going on at the traffic park. The another park is sealed under construction. Finally I saw a tiny window shows money exchange. I changed about enough to get laid. Then there are guys on the street ask me multiple times to go to their bar, no cover fee, I was like, alright. And then I went in. All the girls there just waitress. They are not hookers. Because I don't speak English. The waitress serve me two beers when I said check out in English. It was super awkward. The guy pull me in the clubs told me I can dance with the girls if I buy them cocktail. I said alright, any of them speak English and willing to exit the bar with me? He told all the girls about my idea and none of the girls approach me. One of the girls smile at me like she was looking at a horny virgin. Then I back to the hotel. Texting facebook girls. Some never responde. Some said it is too late now. Looking at my hottub that I didn't have a chance to use. Damn, that is a bad start. I got to pull my shit together.You are a Drifting Cloud. That's kool. I don't know your timeframe or goals but you can let a lot of Medellin come to you without over planning.
So much better tonight. Did a tour of Colonia 13 today with my guide. Fun times, but it was a lot of exercise.
My guide set me up with a girl he and some people I know highly recommend. So far this guy has had my back and helped me a ton so I am down.
19 year old college girl. Absolutely, for me, a 10. Like OMG what is this girl doing with a guy like me. Slender body, small firm tits, amazing ass and thighs, gorgeous face, beautiful mocha skin, soft and firm in all the right places. Took her out for a nice meal and she was smart and fun to talk to via google translate. We even tried teaching each other how to speak each others language. True GFE. After dinner we go back to the apartment. Excellent DFK and then she nips of to the bathroom. Comes out in shear lingerie with the leather strapy things. So Sargon is not into BDSM, maybe a little and only if I am the Dom. But damn the outfit got me going. We abscond to the bedroom. There more DFK and then she give an amazing BBBJ with DT. After a time she ask for condom but with a special lady like this I like to DATY. Who am I kidding, I like DATY with any women with decent hygiene. She really enjoyed that, Sargon is nearly a master of the art. Once she enjoyed as much as she can handle (sex should be like Chinese food, not over till everyone gets their cookies) she puts on a master class of DTBJ. My toes were literally curling. Then onto CFS (nothings perfect but I respect that unless agreed upon prior this is most likely how it will go down). She did the work and I enjoy it to the fullest. Short break and on to the Jacuzzi to relax after a hard days exercise. Sent her how with a nice donation to her continuing education.
Now I am here slightly sun burnt and ready to sleep like a coma patient for at least eight hours. Tomorrow may be the day to skip the sight seeing and just spend time with the ladies. Between the Cialis and the TRT I really want to try for 4 - 5 shots on goal. My record is 8 but I was in my 20's back then.
Osteoknot. Dude I respect your game. You advice is solid, the problem isn't finding the dirty diamond I want in Centro. The problem is that I felt so unsafe, every eye was on me. No Bueno. I would go if I had my squad here with me but Sargon is old and his friends have scattered to the four winds. My wingman, in who I have complete confidence, noticed we were getting cased by the good squad and we beat a hasty retreat. My street sense is garbage but even I could tell that the animals could smell the fresh meat. Maybe it was my imagination but maybe not. If someone with a lot experience here had my back I would give it another try but my friend doesn't want to go back and I am not flying solo. Hit me up on the PM if you want to chat about it.
Puthsardarade
03-02-22, 13:28
Hi,
I'm traveling to Medellin in around 1 week. Parque Lleras in Poblado was suggested as the best place to stay, I'd like to meet regular or semi pro girls so have a less business like transaction.
What can I expect to pay on average and where would you suggest I go for bars and clubs?
Thanks.
I found these "cuca" cookies at the Exito the other day and they have been a great source of flirting and banter with some of the chicas I see. As most of you know cuca is a broadly used Latin American term for pussy. So when my amiga asked me what I was doing the other day, I told her "comiendo cuca. Quieres venir a comer cuca conmigo" and sent her this photo. Anyway I think the fact that there are pussy cookies tells you something about Colombia and attitudes about sex.
Hey man,
I'm in MDE for a while also and looking to check out centro strip clubs. I'm on the centro patrol also and might blend in a bit better but my Spanish sucks. Let me know if you're up for grabbing a beer.Hey FlappyGilmore,
I am definitely down to have some beers and check stuff out, swap notes etc. I would send you a PM to exchange contact info but it doesn't give me the option. I think you need a paid membership for us to PM, I have found it to be absolutely worth the 25 bucks.
Shagmeister7777
03-02-22, 20:23
So much better tonight. Did a tour of Colonia 13 today with my guide. Fun times, but it was a lot of exercise.
My guide set me up with a girl he and some people I know highly recommend. So far this guy has had my back and helped me a ton so I am down.
19 year old college girl. Absolutely, for me, a 10. Like OMG what is this girl doing with a guy like me. Slender body, small firm tits, amazing ass and thighs, gorgeous face, beautiful mocha skin, soft and firm in all the right places. Took her out for a nice meal and she was smart and fun to talk to via google translate. We even tried teaching each other how to speak each others language. True GFE. After dinner we go back to the apartment. Excellent DFK and then she nips of to the bathroom. Comes out in shear lingerie with the leather strapy things. So Sargon is not into BDSM, maybe a little and only if I am the Dom. But damn the outfit got me going. We abscond to the bedroom. There more DFK and then she give an amazing BBBJ with DT. After a time she ask for condom but with a special lady like this I like to DATY. Who am I kidding, I like DATY with any women with decent hygiene. She really enjoyed that, Sargon is nearly a master of the art. Once she enjoyed as much as she can handle (sex should be like Chinese food, not over till everyone gets their cookies) she puts on a master class of DTBJ. My toes were literally curling. Then onto CFS (nothings perfect but I respect that unless agreed upon prior this is most likely how it will go down). She did the work and I enjoy it to the fullest. Short break and on to the Jacuzzi to relax after a hard days exercise. Sent her how with a nice donation to her continuing education.
Now I am here slightly sun burnt and ready to sleep like a coma patient for at least eight hours. Tomorrow may be the day to skip the sight seeing and just spend time with the ladies. Between the Cialis and the TRT I really want to try for 4 - 5 shots on goal. My record is 8 but I was in my 20's back then..Hey Sargon,
Awesome report. Can you PM me the contact details for your guide? Would you have felt safe in El Centro with a guide?
Hi,
I'm traveling to Medellin in around 1 week. Parque Lleras in Poblado was suggested as the best place to stay, I'd like to meet regular or semi pro girls so have a less business like transaction.
What can I expect to pay on average and where would you suggest I go for bars and clubs?.You should ask whoever suggested Parque Lleras as the best place to stay. I'm not trying to be rude. People come through here regularly and ask the same things, questions which require 100 more questions before they can be answered.
Here's the first question. How successful are you, where you live, at finding regular girls and getting them to have sex with you shortly after meeting them? If I put you on a timer and told you that you have to find a woman you've never seen before, and convince her to have sex with you within 3 hours, what are your chances of success?
Let's make it more difficult. Now you need to find a woman in a country you've never been to before and make the connection when she doesn't even speak your language.
If you were just looking for women you could pay for sex, because that's what they do to earn a living, it would be simple. That's like asking "where can I get a hamburger and how much does it cost?" You're asking "How can I get a hamburger, made from a cow raised and butchered by vegans?
The way I see it, you have 2 options.
1. In the next week master the skill of meeting and seducing women and learn enough Spanish to carry on a conversation.
2. Decide to pay women for sex who expect to get paid for sex.
Let us know which.
DriftClouds
03-03-22, 02:12
Jimbox if you see this I am trying to send you my WhatsApp or Facebook. If you see this please clear your inbox and PM me. I so got some question to everyone. I have a Facebook girl during the day. So my hotel wouldn't allow me bringing another girl at night, they charges 100 k for more. Also I cum twice today so I am thinking tonight my best bet is just go to some strip clubs and enjoy the view and labdance. Any strip clubs at Poblado? I think gusto is just a hotel girls hook up place. Right?
Jimbox if you see this I am trying to send you my WhatsApp or Facebook. If you see this please clear your inbox and PM me. I so got some question to everyone. I have a Facebook girl during the day. So my hotel wouldn't allow me bringing another girl at night, they charges 100 k for more. Also I cum twice today so I am thinking tonight my best bet is just go to some strip clubs and enjoy the view and labdance. Any strip clubs at Poblado? I think gusto is just a hotel girls hook up place. Right?Gusto is just a regular night club where hookers go to find guys who will pay more. La Isla is a strip club in Poblado. Fase Dos is also in Poblado. They are not close together and you will need to taxi to either one. Prices are about the same, but La Isla is much more comfortable. You need to buy a bottle to get good seating at either place. Which place has the best girls depends on the night.
FlagRunner77
03-03-22, 02:52
This is an awesome summary. I just want to say thanks for that JjBee62!
I'll try to answer. It's difficult to give exact answers without a lot more information from you.
First thing, forget Instagram and webcam sites, along with YouTube videos. YouTube videos mostly just give one person's opinion. IG and webcams will waste a lot of your time and money with minimal returns. You'll be competing with guys who are happy to spend lots of money for just the online interactions.
Where and how to find girls depends on what you're comfortable with. What works for you in the US? You should concentrate on the Colombian equivalent. At least to get started. Knowing Spanish will work in your favor.
Where to stay is another decision based upon your experience and comfort level. The easiest solution is to stay at the Mansion (Search Hotel M Medellin). There will be other, experienced mongers there who can help you out and there are girls available onsite. It's not the cheapest option, but it's reasonable compared to US hotels. About $200 per day should cover food, lodging and 2 girls. If that's your choice, book several weeks in advance. They tend to be busy.
With hotels you will often be charged extra for bringing girls to your room, or you might be limited on the number of guests. Some will not allow any guests. Most will require the girls to have a valid ID.
You could run into the same issues with Airbnb. Pay attention to the description and rules.
Some guys prefer a place where access is controlled. This adds a level of security, but can also cause problems. For a first timer, having someone screening visitors is probably best.
The prices for companionship vary greatly. I'll cover some of the options. The price ranges depend on location. All of these are for CFS. Some will require more for anything beyond what you probably get for your money in the US. None of these prices are exact. Also you should be negotiating in pesos and not dollars.
Street girls range from less than $15 for about 30 minutes to about $100 for an hour.
Strip club girls go from around $20 for 30 minutes or so to $75 for 45-60 minutes.
Casas run from under $15 for 30 minutes to $75 or more per hour.
Online advertisers start around $20 per hour and go up. Many are in-call locations, similar to what you would find on the sites used in the US.
Social media girls (primarily Facebook) mostly start less than $40 and there are some getting $200 or more. Many are available for around $60. It's common to get GFE from these girls, including BBBJ. Most will stay for a least an hour at that price and multiple hours with MSOG is fairly common.
Freelancers in night clubs can expect from $50 up to $500 or more. That price might get you an hour or all night.
There are other options, but that should give you an idea.
Can you just walk around and pick up a girl? Yes, no and maybe. It depends on where you are, how easily you interact with others and many other things. How you operate in the US will have a lot to do with how you find girls.
Most guys pull money as needed from an ATM. Whether this is best depends on your bank. I keep 2 checking accounts in 2 separate banks. Because of conversion fees and out of network ATM fees, it's better for me to take cash and exchange it, for one of my accounts. For the other account I get a better rate by withdrawing local currency from an ATM. I mostly get money from the ATM, but I bring some cash, in case of an emergency. I also am setup so I can transfer money from one of my accounts to a cash pickup location, similar to using Western Union. That's just for a serious emergency. One bit of advice, only carry what you expect to spend.
My guess is that the majority of girls will not be completely open with you taking video. In many cases, paying more will change their mind. The same is true for most things. If you require something extra, you can often get it by pulling out your money.
The cost for any particular girl on any given day can and will vary. A thick girl might want double or half of what another girl wants. Focus instead on what you want to pay. Pick girls who fit your budget and meet your requirements.
Since you mentioned spending your income tax return on the trip, I assume you will be on a budget. Fortunately, Colombia is very inexpensive. It's possible to eat 3 meals daily and spend less than $10. Reasonable hotels or apartments can be found for $25-$45 per night, or less. Taxis will take you almost anywhere you need to go, except to and from the airport, for under $5 and $2-$3 is common. The airport will cost under $25 (by taxi).
FlagRunner77
03-03-22, 03:13
Facebook, using google translate. Seems to be work well enough for me, got them messaging me like crazy. I will let you know how it plays out once I get down there. If they are semi-pro than they are still interested in the money. As far as "normal girls" goes, don't bother, remember crazy in the streets = crazy between the sheets.
As for being incel, go easy on yourself, that term has some pretty harsh connotations and let's face it, women in the US are by-and-large absolutely horrible to try and date. The problem might not be you, it could be, but IDK. I know my issue is that, while I have a great personality, I am fat and sort of weird looking. Also I only recently began making decent money and become somewhat successful in my career, so yeah, American women aren't too interested in me. But that's OK, because whenever I leave the US, all of a sudden I am a top catch, pros, semi-pros and "normal" women take interest in me.I had to respond, becuase this resonates with me. I'm pushing 40 and have taken many steps back in an otherwise lucrative career in order to end up where I am now. But, I'm not 'successful' in that I haven't settled for a decent paying job just to get by. I've pursued what I actually love, and there is delayed payback with that. Also, I'm overweight and not the most attractive.
I've been mongering for many years now, mainly Germany and Thailand as I lived in Europe for most of my life.
Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't WANT a relationship with a US / Western woman. It is just a situation that isn't in my plans. Someone posted here recently that someone was awkward or something and 'that's probably why they're single'. How about, they're single because they want to be?
Not that I want to monger for the rest of my life, but I'm now actively considering moving or retiring to other countries where the women are much less materialistic and more like the type of wife I'd look for, if I eventually decide that I want to get married. I see so many successful guys that are married and, whilst they aren't unhappy per se, I keep asking myself. Would I be happy if that was it? If that was the end of my exploration of women? I just can't see it. Maybe I just have never found 'the one'. But I sure as hell ain't looking for her.
And we need to be careful about labels. Incel is a very specific thing which is not good. It is attributed to guys who are involuntary celebate and, in particular, are resentful of women as a result. Most of us on here are far from that. I in particular love women. But the women I love are not the ones from the US / Canada. They are the women I've met on my travels to countries where they genuinely show interest in you and want to show that they can take care of you, whether you are paying for it or not.
You should ask whoever suggested Parque Lleras as the best place to stay. I'm not trying to be rude. People come through here regularly and ask the same things, questions which require 100 more questions before they can be answered.
Here's the first question. How successful are you, where you live, at finding regular girls and getting them to have sex with you shortly after meeting them? If I put you on a timer and told you that you have to find a woman you've never seen before, and convince her to have sex with you within 3 hours, what are your chances of success?
Let's make it more difficult. Now you need to find a woman in a country you've never been to before and make the connection when she doesn't even speak your language.
If you were just looking for women you could pay for sex, because that's what they do to earn a living, it would be simple. That's like asking "where can I get a hamburger and how much does it cost?" You're asking "How can I get a hamburger, made from a cow raised and butchered by vegans?.I agree. This is not rocket science.
ColombiaLover
03-03-22, 03:48
I am with you. I do love women. But I don't want any relationship with a US / Western woman. Been there, done that. I like to think I'm single because I want to be. That said, what I can get here in Colombia is so much more than I could in the USA, unless I wanted to pay a high-end hooker (which I don't). I was married once to a Colombian girl. Super sweet with a big heart, but eventually I found myself wanting to fuck other women again and I could not do that to her. It would have killed her to find out. So better to divorce her and maintain a strong friendship.
Whether I ever marry again, I don't know. Probably not. Women all over the world are materialistic (not all of them). In Colombia, I've seen my fair share. But at least it usually costs a lot less here to keep them happy. And if you get lucky, you can find one who likes you for you and doesn't want to take advantage of you.
Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't WANT a relationship with a US / Western woman. It is just a situation that isn't in my plans. Someone posted here recently that someone was awkward or something and 'that's probably why they're single'. How about, they're single because they want to be?
Not that I want to monger for the rest of my life, but I'm now actively considering moving or retiring to other countries where the women are much less materialistic and more like the type of wife I'd look for, if I eventually decide that I want to get married. I in particular love women. But the women I love are not the ones from the US / Canada. They are the women I've met on my travels to countries where they genuinely show interest in you and want to show that they can take care of you, whether you are paying for it or not.
ColombiaLover
03-03-22, 05:36
One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.
The good news was that I hid my other wallet in the toaster oven and she did not find that. The other good news is that while they were dressing, I opened her purse and saw 4, 50 mil notes stashed in there. She obviously was in a hurry and just crammed the money in the purse instead of hiding it. This girl is not a prepago (met her through another chica friend) and she would not have this kind of money in her purse. So I took the money back.
This is only the second time in the last 16 years that I got ripped off. The first time it was the equivalent of $40 USD. This second time I at least got my money back. And I learned a lesson to never give papaya. Even though I used the safe, the girl was smart enough to watch me and learn how to get in it. From now on, my keys will not leave my sight (or if I am naked, the will be hidden). Just a good lesson for the newer guys. If she would have asked me, I might have given her the money to help her out. But don't steal.
But in the end, besides almost getting ripped off, I did have some good sex. And I got the number of the cousin.
Mechanic88
03-03-22, 05:42
One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.
The good news was that I hid my other wallet in the toaster oven and she did not find that. The other good news is that while they were dressing, I opened her purse and saw 4, 50 mil notes stashed in there. She obviously was in a hurry and just crammed the money in the purse instead of hiding it. This girl is not a prepago (met her through another chica friend) and she would not have this kind of money in her purse. So I took the money back.
This is only the second time in the last 16 years that I got ripped off. The first time it was the equivalent of $40 USD. This second time I at least got my money back. And I learned a lesson to never give papaya. Even though I used the safe, the girl was smart enough to watch me and learn how to get in it. From now on, my keys will not leave my sight (or if I am naked, the will be hidden). Just a good lesson for the newer guys. If she would have asked me, I might have given her the money to help her out. But don't steal.
But in the end, besides almost getting ripped off, I did have some good sex. And I got the number of the cousin.What did she say about it? Did she give you an excuse?
Well this is awkward. You just thanked me for a post and then post something I want to thank you for. Well said.
I had to respond, becuase this resonates with me. I'm pushing 40 and have taken many steps back in an otherwise lucrative career in order to end up where I am now. But, I'm not 'successful' in that I haven't settled for a decent paying job just to get by. I've pursued what I actually love, and there is delayed payback with that. Also, I'm overweight and not the most attractive.
I've been mongering for many years now, mainly Germany and Thailand as I lived in Europe for most of my life.
Maybe I'm the exception, but I don't WANT a relationship with a US / Western woman. It is just a situation that isn't in my plans. Someone posted here recently that someone was awkward or something and 'that's probably why they're single'. How about, they're single because they want to be?Let me touch on a few things here. I'm pushing 60 and I'm not in the condition I was in when I was pushing 40. I've met quite a few mongers and we come in all shapes, sizes and ages. Most are just the typical, average guy, just like people you see every day. Income levels vary widely as well.
It sounds as if you're following my career path. Long ago I decided to find something I enjoyed doing. There were some rough years, but it's paying off now. I've known a lot of people who every day struggle to get out of bed to go work a job they hate. To me no paycheck is worth that.
I've had my relationships, 3 wives, and several live-in relationships. Just like doing a job I hate, I have no interest in waking up with someone who I'm tired of being with. I tried the casual dating thing and realized it was a waste of time and money. You meet, go out a few times before you ever end up in bed and you spend twice as much as just paying for sex and you have to deal with all her emotional baggage. Add to that, as you get into a cycle of lowering your standards. P4P is generally cheaper and you get younger, more attractive women without dealing with all the crap.
One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.
The good news was that I hid my other wallet in the toaster oven and she did not find that. The other good news is that while they were dressing, I opened her purse and saw 4, 50 mil notes stashed in there. She obviously was in a hurry and just crammed the money in the purse instead of hiding it. This girl is not a prepago (met her through another chica friend) and she would not have this kind of money in her purse. So I took the money back.
My last trip I stayed in a 3 bedroom, 3 bathroom apartment. Kitchen and my bedroom and bathroom were on the 5th floor and the jacuzzi, balcony and other bedrooms and bathrooms were on the 6th floor, of a 6 story building. That worked out perfect. Grab something to drink from the refrigerator and head to the balcony. Move from the balcony to the jacuzzi, followed by a visit to one of the spare bedrooms, which had everything needed except for my money. No need for anyone to go to my room, until I went and grabbed the cash.
Joe Bandit
03-03-22, 09:30
Staying at the San Peter through AirBnb. Nice building, great views. I ended up with a rear facing bedroom so the noise isn't too bad. I was curious about the bar with the loud music and ended up enjoying a few beers there instead of dealing with the noise.
I have yet to venture out to El centro, but I set up some contacts through Facebook and Seeking before I landed yesterday. I'm getting ranges of 150 K to 300 K on facbook and nothing below 400 K on Seeking. Most likely due to the fact that I don't speak any Spanish.
The first encounter of the day was with the 26-year-old with two kids on Facebook. She was very GFE, DFK, BBBJ. She would have done BBFS but I was hesitant and went con condom. She stayed for a little less than 2 hours but helped me with some Exito shopping on LA 70. Total damage 200 K including taxi. She asked for250 K when leaving but I showed her the WhatsApp message and she said okay.
2nd encounter was with a tiny 21 yo from Seeking. I messed up and didn't agree on an amount before sending her an Uber. I offered to cover her "expenses" and planned on a dinner, drinks before taking her back to my place. I was. Planning ok giving her 400 K but this girl started at 2,000,000 pesos, like close to $500. Sweetest little thing but wouldn't budge. After an hour of negotiation, I was so fed up and told her that I'm getting her an Uber back. All of a sudden she came down and we agreed on 500 k (sorry guys, I hope not to drive the prices up). I was a little turned off by the whole negotiation shit, but once we started she relaxed, DFK, DATY, she came twice and total GFE in bed, covered everything though. Stayed and chatted for an hour after the deed. Ordered some shit Rappi food and eventually got her an Uber 3 hours later. She wants to meet again, with offering no condom, but I don't think I'll repeat.
I'm totally spent after these two encounters, don't know how you guys do so many a day. Planning on going to Centro tomorrow afternoon.
BTW the best ATM rate with no fees seem to be Banco Caja Social on Carrera 70 and Calle 42. Limits 300 K but with multiple withdrawals, I'm getting a rate of 3955 Cop to USD with no fees.
I'll try to post these reports daily. I'm only in Medellin for 4 more days. My advice for the day is to agree to an amount before you meet these girls.
Just tried to message you but your inbox is full. I had a Facebook girl try to convince me to let her bring her cousin along two days ago. Was wondering if it was the same girl. Happy to send you her profile or compare notes over pm.
Also, just wanted to say I appreciate your posts as they resonate with my much more limited experience.
I am with you. I do love women. But I don't want any relationship with a US / Western woman. Been there, done that. I like to think I'm single because I want to be. That said, what I can get here in Colombia is so much more than I could in the USA, unless I wanted to pay a high-end hooker (which I don't). I was married once to a Colombian girl. Super sweet with a big heart, but eventually I found myself wanting to fuck other women again and I could not do that to her. It would have killed her to find out. So better to divorce her and maintain a strong friendship.
Whether I ever marry again, I don't know. Probably not. Women all over the world are materialistic (not all of them). In Colombia, I've seen my fair share. But at least it usually costs a lot less here to keep them happy. And if you get lucky, you can find one who likes you for you and doesn't want to take advantage of you.
I was feeling down due to some chica related drama yesterday and decided I needed some hard-core PSE sex to lift my spirits. Anyway there is a photoprepagos / mileroticos girl with her own apartment called Cristal that has gotten rave reviews for her service on Catadores de Colombia. I'd been thinking of seeing her for a while so I pulled the trigger and set up a date. Her price 200 k for 3 hole service for the hour. Anyway the reviews on Catador are right this is a Chica that loves rough sex and loves her job (I asked and based on attitude I believe her). For my first round it was straight BBBJ face fucking, which progressed to her laying with her head over the edge of the bed for the face fuck. She asks you to slap her with your dick and took a COF / CIM like a pornstar. Second round we went right into anal in a couple positions. Had trouble getting off but she puts in the work for the leche. She's not a 10 by any means but has a decent face and a good body. She's also very friendly and outgoing. I'd definitely recommend if you need a good PSE experience. I've heard she rims too but didn't try to get it.
Also went to Bara Ejecutiva and Conejitas last night with another board member. Barra definitely had better talent but neither is filled with stunners. Conejitas had some sad looking fat chick's dancing and making rounds for tips. Talked to a girl in each but didn't find any I wanted to pull.
Steve 9696
03-03-22, 16:50
So I have about 10 FB girls I am happy with and have agreed price. But continuing to build the roster because I know flakes are part of the game. One girl I am particularly smitten with I gave her my offer and she came back with "do you take care of yourself"? And I don't have a six pack but a bit of definition. So I sent her some pics. My corporate head shot and an abs shot. She came back and asked if I had any REAL pics! LOL. Nice. Made my day. Sent her a couple more pics including one I snapped right after getting out of bed this AM and got a big thumbs up. Made my day. LOL. Cannot WAIT to see these girls.
Update: Three more agreed this AM.
So I have about 10 FB girls I am happy with and have agreed price. But continuing to build the roster because I know flakes are part of the game. One girl I am particularly smitten with I gave her my offer and she came back with "do you take care of yourself"? And I don't have a six pack but a bit of definition. So I sent her some pics. My corporate head shot and an abs shot. She came back and asked if I had any REAL pics! LOL. Nice. Made my day. Sent her a couple more pics including one I snapped right after getting out of bed this AM and got a big thumbs up. Made my day. LOL. Cannot WAIT to see these girls.
Update: Three more agreed this AM.I apologize for the naive query.
I'm one of the 28 people left on the earth who don't use FB or Insta.
I've read numerous comments about using FB for getting semi-pros in Medellin. I've tried to google for info on how to do this but not had much luck.
I've created a dummy FB account, and need to know how to actually find the girls who are willing to accept payment for goods.
What do I search for in FB? I've tried 'prepagos', 'escorts' etc, but not getting anything meaningful.
All advice welcome!
So I have about 10 FB girls I am happy with and have agreed price. But continuing to build the roster because I know flakes are part of the game. One girl I am particularly smitten with I gave her my offer and she came back with "do you take care of yourself"? And I don't have a six pack but a bit of definition. So I sent her some pics. My corporate head shot and an abs shot. She came back and asked if I had any REAL pics! LOL. Nice. Made my day. Sent her a couple more pics including one I snapped right after getting out of bed this AM and got a big thumbs up. Made my day. LOL. Cannot WAIT to see these girls.
Update: Three more agreed this AM.Just a heads-up for you. Prices agreed to before you're in Medellin are subject to change when you're in Medellin. If a girl raises her price, stick to your price, nicely. Tell her you understand, tell her you think she's beautiful and then remind her of your price.
The flake rate can be reduced by a bit of flexibility and understanding. Most girls will agree to whatever time you set, even when they know they can't arrive until much later. There are 2 cultural factors involved.
1. Paisas are known throughout Colombia for being late. Being on time isn't on their priority list. This is contrary to the way most people operate.
2. Colombians don't like to say "no. " It's easier for them to agree and just not show up, because the time you set wasn't possible for them, or they'll show up hours later.
Instead of giving them a time, ask when they can arrive. You can narrow it down to afternoon, evening or later. You can even give the option to meet the next day. This requires some planning on your part. If you want a girl to show up at 6 pm, start looking at 8-10 am. If a girl can be there earlier, adjust your schedule. If she can't be there until much later, either adjust your schedule or move her to the next day.
That's all part of understanding they have lives too. Some have jobs, some have kids, or boyfriends. They aren't the ones on vacation.
The next part is how you account for the fact they're usually going to be late. If she tells you she can arrive at 6 pm, add 45 minutes. She thinks she is supposed to be there at 6 pm, so there's a good chance she will still be at home at 6 pm, getting ready. Don't tell her you want her there at 6:45, just expect her to arrive then. Chances are good that she'll arrive at 6:45, give or take 15 minutes.
I apologize for the naive query.
I'm one of the 28 people left on the earth who don't use FB or Insta.
I've read numerous comments about using FB for getting semi-pros in Medellin. I've tried to google for info on how to do this but not had much luck.
I've created a dummy FB account, and need to know how to actually find the girls who are willing to accept payment for goods.
What do I search for in FB? I've tried 'prepagos', 'escorts' etc, but not getting anything meaningful.
All advice welcome!Go back to the main Colombia page on ISG. Look for the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread. Look for a post titled "Facebook for Newbies."
There are some other posts there with Facebook information.
I apologize for the naive query...Here you got.
Links to Reports of Distinction.
Shagmeister7777
03-03-22, 19:32
The first encounter of the day was with the 26-year-old with two kids on Facebook. She was very GFE, DFK, BBBJ. She would have done BBFS but I was hesitant and went con condom. She stayed for a little less than 2 hours but helped me with some Exito shopping on LA 70. Total damage 200 K including taxi. She asked for250 K when leaving but I showed her the WhatsApp message and she said okay.
2nd encounter was with a tiny 21 yo from Seeking.Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm also hitting FB and SA in preparation for my trip at the end of this month. I PM'd you to pick your brain about your experiences.
JoeThighsMan
03-03-22, 20:15
Here you got.http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?578-General-Info&p=2410175&viewfull=1#post2410175.
ColombiaLover
03-03-22, 20:59
Nothing. I am not sure if she noticed the stolen money missing from her purse before she left. Or not. I guess she gives me a gold star for catching her. Funny thing is that she was messaging me again last night wanting to see me again. If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.
What did she say about it? Did she give you an excuse?
Nothing. I am not sure if she noticed the stolen money missing from her purse before she left. Or not. I guess she gives me a gold star for catching her. Funny thing is that she was messaging me again last night wanting to see me again. If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.FK that don't ever see her again, did you pay her on the way out? Could of went to safe after taking money out of her purse and then bring up missing money!
These are rhetorical questions aimed at helping other avoid this kind of problem: 1) Why open a safe in front of somebody from whom the safe is supposed to protect belongings? 2) Is it prudent to leave keys or valuables out of eyeshot whilst also allowing "acquaintances / friends / providers / not prepagos / semi pros" to also circulate our of eyeshot? 3) Is it easier to control and protect one wallet rather than several wallets? 4) Is it prudent to contact and spend time with a thief's confederate?
One of my regulars came by tonight with her cousin. I usually see her once or twice on my trips for the past year. I like her spinner body. We were having a good time. Jacuzzi, domocilio, trio sex, and then back to the jacuzzi. Going to the jacuzzi for a second time was not the norm for her. While we were there, she excused herself to use the bathroom. Her cousin stayed with me and played a little. It was taking a little more time than I expected (unless she was taking a big dump) and I got suspicious. When we went back downstairs for them to change, I opened my safe (it uses a key, not a combination). I could immediately tell something was not right. A US dollar bill was laying there, not in my regular wallet. And as I counted the money I had, it was clear that it was not what I should have. I noticed that the skin cream I had put in front of the safe door had been moved. I noticed that my keys, which I thought I had hide OK were not in the same position where I left them. It was obvious she watched how I opened the safe in the past and knew how to use the key. Very disappointing.
Don't get drugged.
Nothing. I am not sure if she noticed the stolen money missing from her purse before she left. Or not. I guess she gives me a gold star for catching her. Funny thing is that she was messaging me again last night wanting to see me again. If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.
Mr Enternational
03-03-22, 21:15
If I ever do see her again, I will be super careful about my keys.Take a look at The Lock Picking Lawyer on youtube. There are many other easy ways to get into a safe besides using the key. Magnet, potato, etc.
Mr Enternational
03-03-22, 23:01
This shit is doo doo. As soon as a mf get ready to head out to do some debauchery, it starts pouring down raining.
ColombiaLover
03-04-22, 01:18
I would say to these.
1) Of course not, especially if you are using a combination. I was not aware that she ever saw me open the safe.
2) Yes, it is. And I thought the keys were out of eye shot. Obviously not. Next time I'll have them in my pocket in the jacuzzi. I should also point out that this was not a "first time" chica. I've known her for a while and have never had a problem. Obviously that was a mistake, but it's even more of a mistake when you are careless with a chica you are seeing for the first time or two, IMO.
3) To each his own on wallet. I have my USA Wallet that I leave in the safe. No need for it here. I have another wallet that just hold 50 mil bills. More than I need to carry anywhere. And then I have the third wallet that has one credit card and some cash. To me, it's better to keep things separated. If one of them was stolen, I've still have the others. I would not want to be here with no credit or debit card or cash. But just the way I do things. Pity the fool who carries one wallet with everything and then loses it or gets it stolen.
4) Maybe / maybe not. In the end, I still had a good time and did not lose anything. The difference is that I check my money and I acted to get it back. Often guys don't realize things are gone untl the chica is gone and it's too late.
These are rhetorical questions aimed at helping other avoid this kind of problem: 1) Why open a safe in front of somebody from whom the safe is supposed to protect belongings? 2) Is it prudent to leave keys or valuables out of eyeshot whilst also allowing "acquaintances / friends / providers / not prepagos / semi pros" to also circulate our of eyeshot? 3) Is it easier to control and protect one wallet rather than several wallets? 4) Is it prudent to contact and spend time with a thief's confederate?
Lucky Nuts
03-04-22, 01:22
I've enjoyed my annual visits to Kyiv as much as my regular visits to Medellin and it's painful to see what's happening over there. Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.
https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis
https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraine
4 PM most every day this time of year. It usually lasts one to two hours, sometimes all night.
This shit is doo doo. As soon as a mf get ready to head out to do some debauchery, it starts pouring down raining.
You fall off the cliff and have to scramble and claw your way back up. The "too good to be true" tale of Caribe ended after a few weeks when I caught her red-handed trying to steal money from me yesterday morning. She is the Web cam model who would show up early in the morning horny after a night shift of edging, for "free."
Well, as you have often heard me say, we all pay one way or another, either in the short term or the long term, directly or indirectly.
Things got physical after I quickly figured out where she hid my money, under the mattress on her side of the bed. As you also may recall I wrote before that she is big, bigger than me, muscular and strong. After some overturned pieces of furniture and spilled liquid, as I also unfortunately predicted I had to put a gentle choke hold on her to get control of the situation. She did not pass out but she immediately became scared into submission saying, "I was afraid I would wake up inside a coffin."
Take my advice from having been married to a once-violent female. Maybe not so much here in Colombia but the one thing you don't want to do is leave any marks on a girl from whom you have to defend yourself. The cops will jump all over that evidence and us it as a reason to arrest you.
Anywho, amusingly she tried to return part of the 800 mil she stole, but I took it all back. Then her severe mental illness kicked in and she went into a full delusional state of denial and told me she was just playing a joke on me and was going to return the money to me the next day. By the time she exited my hotel room she denied the event ever happened, called me a murderer, and kissed me on the lips. I gave her back 100 mil. Two hours later she texted me and said she was in need of emergency medical attention because someone shot her in the left ear and she had gone deaf. Paranoid schizophrenia.
For your amusement, I will admit I have not completely ruled out seeing her again in the future. I got careless and she eyeballed the combination to my room safe when I didn't notice so really all I needed to do was change the combination. But I don't plan on seeing her anymore this trip, and she never officially made it onto my Top Ten list, which perhaps is not such an obvious sequitur for the future, considering I have been called gullible and too trusting by many of my fellow mongers. Keep On Keepin' On.
The Tall Man
03-04-22, 16:01
I've enjoyed my annual visits to Kyiv as much as my regular visits to Medellin and it's painful to see what's happening over there. Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.
https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis
https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraine.WTF has this got anything to do with Colombian pussy. What has ISG become, a gofundme site.
Seriously they got some issues back there but leave it there or in the USA as frankly people, gringos like myself who call Colombia my home and Colombians alike, could care less what is going on over in eastern Europe, heck this is why we are expats living in South America.
Give them your hard US dollars if you like but don't promote this BS here, at least post it on the appropriate threads like BS in Medellin or whatever they call those threads.
Much love and respect to all!
TTM.
RiceRocket99
03-04-22, 17:16
This trip was more of putting the finishing touches of my recent apartment purchase in both aesthetic and legal terms. Of course, I found time to mess around with the chicas, kept myself busy in multiple fronts. Couple days ago, I finally received the public deed and all the official paper work associated with my apartment. I now officially own a piece of heavenly real estate hehe, best decision I ever made, second only to making the virgin voyage to Medellin 9 years ago. There was a slight delay due to a correction that needed to be done on the title, so having a reputable and experienced lawyer is a must. I wanted to pay the property tax before leaving and found out it was only 700 mil for the entire year for a 300 million peso apartment! Doing the Math it's only 0. 23% of the purchase price, can't beat that! Back home in the Bay Area, I don't even want to look at my property tax that I got to pay in a month. I'm definitely looking into moving here permanently ASAP Rocky, even though I'm only 40, I ain't waiting till I get to my 60's to retire and ride into the sunset.
On a side note, there's a girl that lives in Barrio Pedregal that I've known for a while that saved up enough money to start her own nail saloon business. It's very small and can fit at most 4 people at a time and she had it built literally right underneath her house. I never had a mani or pedi in a long time so I went to support her business. Low and behold she has a very cute and young employee. 18 yrs old, white skinned, long jet black hair, petite body, very pretty face. It was 40 mil for like an HR and half of work, tipper her 20 mil. She was happy hehe. Rest of the day chilled and drank with both of them in between their breaks. Business was slow so they did more drinking than working hehe. Her mom was nice and offered to make sancocho, I said hell yeah. I went to the local store with her and bought all the necessary stuff to make a bombas sancocho. She did not disappoint, took her about 2 hours and it was very soothing to the soul. I just love hanging out in the barrios and literally no gringos/chinos in sight, no offense hehe.
BTW, I did get the chica number, saw her back in my apt the next day for 150 mil plus taxis. She gets paid 1 million pesos flat a month doing nails. Service was wonderful, loves to kiss, gives great BJ with CIM, her natural, petite yet firm body is just a gift from heaven and maybe next time, I'll convince her to do BBFS. I might have to wife her up before someone does haha.
Recondite, you got some competition in cooking for the chicas in Ricerocket99. I brought over a few Japanese ramen noodle packets from my local Ranch 99 Asian market along with authentic chopsticks hehe. It was intended for personal consumption, but then mind as well share it with the chicas. Some of them never had ramen before, not surprising since there's only like a few in all of Medellin. I've been to a couple of them in Poblado, it was fairly decent. I had to teach the chicas how to use chopsticks, funny as hell, too bad they don't eat spicy because I like to spice up my soup.
You fall off the cliff and have to scramble and claw your way back up. The "too good to be true" tale
For your amusement, I will admit I have not completely ruled out seeing her again in the future. I got careless and she eyeballed the combination to my room safe when I didn't notice so really all I needed to do was change the combination. But I don't plan on seeing her anymore this trip, and she never officially made it onto my Top Ten list, which perhaps is not such an obvious sequitur for the future, considering I have been called gullible and too trusting by many of my fellow mongers. Keep On Keepin' On.Oste amigo, "keep on fishing! Cut the bait (*****)". You don't want to put yourself in that position again with a known thief! Just my 2 cents worth opinion. Luvchicas.
Throughout my trip I've had some interesting conversations with some of the girls I've seen that have given me some perspective / ideas about how Paisas see interpersonal and sexual relationships. There are definitely different tiers of relationships they have with men. My Spanish is good so a bunch of them opened up to me and talked about goals, working as prepagos and their relationships. Of course I'm also drawing on my own experience. Anyway, I had 4 types of relationships identified to me: novio / esposo, amigo de verdad, amigo, and cliente.
Starting with novio / esposo (boyfriend or husband), what really fascinated me was how they all told me the same thing no matter how liberal they seemed. They don't want their novio or esposo fucking with other women and are not cool with polyamory or open relationships. I'm in an open marriage with a Latin wife and none could completely wrap their head around that. Even the photoprepagos girl Cristal told me the same thing and that was after face fucking her, anal and her telling me some crazy kinky stories.
After that one Facebook girl I saw yesterday Ana, identified a category for me "amigos de verdad" or real friends. Shed been asking me about chicas I saw and my experiences when the term came up. These are guys that they fuck around with for fun when they are single. But no money changes hands. Probably mostly Colombians but you might be able to get there if they really like you.
Then the category a lot of us can get to is amigo or friend. I think it's common for Colombian men with resources. These are guys who help them out in some ways. It seems perfectly natural to many of them. I think can like spending time with the guy and are somewhat attracted to them. I tried to play some games with a girl I saw this time and last time Sara where I told her I wanted to see her as a friend with no money besides expenses changing hands. She's got a steady job so isn't supporting herself just by prepagoing. She agreed to see me this time but wanted something once we got to sex (which I thought might happen as we'd been playing some games over text). Was really into talking to me and left the sheets soaked after sex. I told her I'd wanted to test if she saw me as a client or friend after and she gave me a long explanation about why she saw me as an amigo and how she saw amigos. I think the roots of why it's easy to get GFE here is in that amigo category. Some paisas just don't seem to feel much stigma from benefitting from sex and can genuinely enjoy paid sex. Now that's not true for all of them. I've talked about the mental gymnastics some do not label themselves as prepagos. But as has been the experience of others they may want other forms of help if not cash. All this applies to barrio girls the most I'd guess. I'd guess the upperclass women have a different perspective. I also think the amigo category is were the most scams and abuses happen (though that is up to the individual chica).
Finally, there are clients. That's more straightforward p4 p. Some of these girls are great actresses, though. Ana from yesterday was quite candid about not actually especially getting off from sex with her clients and never developing feelings. But boy was she a good actress when we had sex. I'll leave it at that. How they treat you as a client will come down to professionalism and attitude on their part.
ThatMurxGuy
03-04-22, 18:23
Greetings gents,
I'm travelling to Medellin tomorrow. Solo. And I was wondering if anyone would like to join forces to explore the nightlife and other offerings this wknd. I'm staying in El Poblado. I'm easy going an ready to mingle with the chicas.
Thanks fellas.
FlappyGilmore
03-04-22, 19:16
Greetings gents,
I'm travelling to Medellin tomorrow. Solo. And I was wondering if anyone would like to join forces to explore the nightlife and other offerings this wknd. I'm staying in El Poblado. I'm easy going an ready to mingle with the chicas.
Thanks fellas.Check your PM.
You had to conduct an anthropological study to figure out providers pretend to be into us?
Throughout my trip I've had some interesting conversations with some of the girls I've seen that have given me some perspective / ideas about how Paisas see interpersonal and sexual relationships. There are definitely different tiers of relationships they have with men. My Spanish is good so a bunch of them opened up to me and talked about goals, working as prepagos and their relationships. Of course I'm also drawing on my own experience. Anyway, I had 4 types of relationships identified to me: novio / esposo, amigo de verdad, amigo, and cliente.
Starting with novio / esposo (boyfriend or husband), what really fascinated me was how they all told me the same thing no matter how liberal they seemed. They don't want their novio or esposo fucking with other women and are not cool with polyamory or open relationships. I'm in an open marriage with a Latin wife and none could completely wrap their head around that. Even the photoprepagos girl Cristal told me the same thing and that was after face fucking her, anal and her telling me some crazy kinky stories.
After that one Facebook girl I saw yesterday Ana, identified a category for me "amigos de verdad" or real friends. Shed been asking me about chicas I saw and my experiences when the term came up. These are guys that they fuck around with for fun when they are single. But no money changes hands. Probably mostly Colombians but you might be able to get there if they really like you..
Well it's not like I got funding, passed a review board or made a research plan. I do think it's interesting to try and understand why Medellin is famous for GFE and it's also worth comparing and contrasting with other mongering destinations. For me at least the answer is cultural.
You had to conduct an anthropological study to figure out providers pretend to be into us?
Oste amigo, "keep on fishing! Cut the bait (*****)". You don't want to put yourself in that position again with a known thief! Just my 2 cents worth opinion. Luvchicas.Perhaps I did not carry over enough info from the previous posts about Caribe. The main reason I had an ongoing affair with Caribe was, best sex ever. Delivered early on time for daily morning wood.
She is the only girl who ever got me to tap out in the middle of sex and at the same time she would have none of it. I was never into Domination and Submission before her but she knew how to get me to do things in bed I did not want to do, never did before, and by the end of the session be happy that I did it. Until the theft I was thinking about possibly putting her in at Number Ten or even expanding my list a couple of slots to include her, but not now.
Does it make sense? No. Am I demonstrating rationale thinking? Of course not. Whenever my little head does my thinking for my big head, I have to accept consequences such as these. I have no regrets. Already in her mind it's as if nothing bad ever happened.
As long as I have Catgirl at the Numero Uno position on my Top Ten List as my True Love, then I can handle "come what may" (Shakespeare) with the other chicas. I have no death wish, but if I die tomorrow I die a happy man, so true, with no regrets. Ostee Out.
Throughout my trip I've had some interesting conversations with some of the girls I've seen that have given me some perspective / ideas about how Paisas see interpersonal and sexual relationships. There are definitely different tiers of relationships they have with men.Four interesting categories that certainly had the ring of truth.
The Open Relationship with your Latina esposa caught my eye because that's what I have with my Numero Uno Novia Catgirl here, a pure Paisa. Unlike your experience, I have met many chicas here who expect their men and husbands to have affairs on the side. There is even a saying here that roughly translates to, "You can have a wife and girlfriends, just don't do it up front". That means do not fool around in ways that would cause embarrassment to your wife, her family and friends. Sort of, "Don't ask, don't tell". There is also another expression in Medellin that translates to, "When your wife cheats on you, she probably cheats with another woman. "
Both of these aphorisms I have experienced with Catgirl. The less than stellar days like the one I had recently with Caribe cause me to stop, pause and think, is it all worth it? I am really in love with Catgirl. We have known each other for over three years and been a couple for two years, and she is the sole reason I came to Medellin. The presumption is that she would be willing to settle down one-on-one with me and I am not sure that is the case. She seems to love her funky freedom as much as I do. Time will tell.
I agree your categories exit, but I don't compartmentalize the chicas as much. I see the chicas here on a continuum with the extremes at both ends. Pure hardcore Pay 4 Play at one end, and the real, regular loving chica on the other end. Amazingly, they all seem to love sex.
I have also never encountered a relationship culture close to the one here in Medellin anywhere else in the word, another notable point.
As you also pointed out, knowing Spanish makes a huge difference at whatever level you choose to engage these chicas.
JamesPearle
03-04-22, 23:13
I would have thought Tinder Gold was the best way to pre-arrange p4p before arriving but folks on here seem to be using Facebook for this. Is Facebook better app to use for this than Tinder? How do you know who is open to pay for play? Do you put something in your profile to signal that you're into p4p?
Staying at the San Peter through AirBnb. Nice building, great views. I ended up with a rear facing bedroom so the noise isn't too bad. I was curious about the bar with the loud music and ended up enjoying a few beers there instead of dealing with the noise.
I have yet to venture out to El centro, but I set up some contacts through Facebook and Seeking before I landed yesterday. I'm getting ranges of 150 K to 300 K on facbook and nothing below 400 K on Seeking. Most likely due to the fact that I don't speak any Spanish.
The first encounter of the day was with the 26-year-old with two kids on Facebook. She was very GFE, DFK, BBBJ. She would have done BBFS but I was hesitant and went con condom. She stayed for a little less than 2 hours but helped me with some Exito shopping on LA 70. Total damage 200 K including taxi. She asked for250 K when leaving but I showed her the WhatsApp message and she said okay..
That bangs? I interested in perhpas doing comuna 13 o guatape and then banging after. Pm me if you prefer.
OK guy, lost day recovering from exposer to the local white. Never, ever again. Only one thing for this Sargon from now on and it involves bicycle day. And that will only be on special occasions. Thank god for Xanax but I will never get that day back. Oh well, we soldier on.
I put out the call on Facebook that I needed a nurse and house cleaner and it took mear minutes before a lovely chocolate skinned honey offered to aid me in my time of need. She came over checked on me and immediately started clean this nasty mess of an apartment. She helped me get a rappi order for much need liquids and cleaning supplies. She washed and folded my laundry and made sure I needed for nothing. We shared a wonderful lunch and my Escobarian style hangover started to fade. So I suggested why don't we go in the Jacuzzi. She was excited for that. So let me set the scene a little here gentlemen. She is 26, flawless dark brown skin, firm perky breast with nicely proportional nipples, very firm everywhere. She starts with a professional quality lap dance. Very nice. Then on to some BBBJ, also nice. Then she grabs a condom and she continues that lap dance with me inside her. After a few minutes of that and her realizing this is going to take me a while we decide to enter the hot tub. And that's where the real magic happens, I didn't know you could do it in those positions, in the water, in the hot tub. We have achieved the promised land guys, gentlemen we have BBFS and we are loving every minute of it. After a wile of that I suggest we remove ourselves to the bedroom. She is about to lie back expecting the missionary but not with Sargon. I ate her like Kobiashi at the Nathan's 4th of July hot dog eating contest, yeah she had to tap out! On ward to standing doggie at the edge of the bed and Sargon let forth with more than a two tablespoons of the magic sauce, it was a real mess. Not long after she pulled up the covers and threw them in the washing machine.
We are still sitting here on the couch as I write this, I am considering meeting with some fellow board members to check out some strip clubs tonight. I haven't paid her yet but she is getting a very generous payment. For fucks sake she mopped the damn floors. I haven't had service like this in this hemisphere.
Shagmeister7777
03-05-22, 00:22
That bangs? I interested in perhpas doing comuna 13 o guatape and then banging after. Pm me if you prefer.I'd be interested as well. Please PM me. Thank you in advance.
MadMax9336
03-05-22, 05:22
Hi gents,
Its a been a while I wrote a report and even its been 2 years since I traveled either.
Thanks to few members here whose TR are great help, especially the FB route is the only route I have taken in this trip.
Last week trip with my wingman. Landed in BOG for one week trip from YYZ at odd hours and ended up taking the first flight out to CTG instead of MDE as the airport is closed for maintenance.
CTG: Checked into Hampton inn by hilton in boca grande and crashed out after 20+ of travel (YYZ-SAL-BOG-CTG route). What a mess in this itinerary.
Woke up at noon, took claro sim for 40 mil (10 GB. Hardly used 2 GB though) went to creeps & Waffles for lunch, then walked to old town. Strolled around the streets. It was refreshing and relaxed.
Came back to hotel by taking indriver taxi, during drive asked him if he can hook up with chicas as I was only staying for one night before heading to MDE and did not lined up anyone in this city.
He called few and had one black chic called us and asked for 200 mil, I turned down after seeing her video call.
Then got hold of some local guy thru an expat connection and agreed to meet in old town in the night to party and fun, provided he brings some of his friends.
Thats the biggest mistake as he brought some fat / ugly chics and ended up taking us to clubs and drinking and dancing on our tab.
We finally got off the hook and came back to hotel and called it a night.
Next day morning strolled around the beach for any street action but nothing available in the beach side.
Well checked out the hotel and went to airport to board MDE flight.
MDE: Landed in the evening, took indriver cab direct to pablado (cale 10, near park lleras) restaurant to meet some one known from YYZ. Used Scotia took 900 mil (WS cash card where no FX. Close to google rate).
Had early dinner and pinged 1st FB chick Evelyn, she agreed to meet at the restaurant in one hour. Mean while we bought some drinks and condoms.
She came in with in 45 mins and asked for the taxi 30 mil, then I asked how much for the meetup. She asked 200 k. I said 150 k+taxi. She agreed. I paid the taxi and ordered indriver to our hotel.
I was skeptical about marriott / sheraton who allows chicas or not, but to my surprise, they did not asked anything other than checked her cedula. Well front desk rep can easily sense it what's going as FB-1 is already high (guess pink stuff).
My wingman took shower and went out for spa, then the session began. Decent DFK, BBBJ, CFS, some how I could not cum, hence half way took off the condom and finished bareback. She was hesitating but agreed. My wingman back into the room (we got the upgraded one having balcony with chairs and table) with full privacy. We chatted some time, had drinks. Smoked some weed. Asked my wingman for session which she quoted another 150 mil. But my buddy declined as she got high already (probably went to bathroom to take another drag).
At this time, we are kind of tired and let her go but she ordered some food using rappi (which costed around another 60 mil) as she feels hungry after weed I guess.
Mean while I got ready for second one but she was not interested but don't have choice as the food is getting late. Hence did the quicky again bareback.
Took the food and got into indriver and left. Total damage is 240 mil for 4 hours 2 pops.
Day 2: Great breakfast at hotel, went to communa 13 sight seeing and while returning pinged FB-2 whom I am talking before coming. She has cute face but put up excess weight which is kind of turnoff for me, but did not bothered to turn down when she showed up on time, no issues at front desk to my surprise. Paid for the taxi 20 mil. As usal had few beers, offered smirnoff to her. Then ready for action. My wingman sitting in the balcony while I started the session. Again bareback FS. Paid 100+taxi but no 2nd pop.
Day 3: pinged FB-3 tour guide (red hair). Sharp 11 am and very professional massage, DFK, BBBJ, CFS. I did not tried for bareback as I did not smelled good down there. Hence I rode her with cover. Spoke with her about some guatape trip the next day. Perfect english (we don't speak any spanish at all). Gave 150 (no taxi as she has car it seems) for one pop and massage.
Went to calle 10 again to meet my connection and hired a scooter. Oh boy that was a biggest mistake as we waited for almost two hours to get the agent bring the scooter and finish the paper work. By this time rain was pouring. Pretty much we were stuck at the restaurant amost 4 hours. Finally went back to hotel. Got freshed up and came back to meet one of the forum member. He was living there for a while and showed us the clubs, street action around the park lleras. Went to mexican join near by finished few drinks and drinner and parted ways after midnight.
Day-4: By this time we have realized afternoon would wash out due to rain, hence to make the most. We left early morning on scooter for sightseeing towards airport thru scenic route. Enjoyed few hours of riding the bike in the mountain area. Then headed back to central where we booked city walking tour (free) for 4 hours. By then FB-2 pinged to see me again and as I was not into musems, I told my buddy to continue the tour and left. FB-2 booked a spa (Cra. 35 #8 A 58) for couple session at 100 mil. This looks like a hotel / hostel but inside its kind love motel with rooftop and jacuzzy. Picked up the chic on scooter from her house (30 minutes away from central) and rode back to pablado spa. Took almost 2 hours round trip but enjoyed drive in the city having chic driving the bike and me hugging her from the back. (LOL).
Massage session is mediocre as single girl is doing one after another. After 30 minutes of massage, we were given jacuzzi for an hour. Got some drinks ordered and relaxed and had bareback session in the jacuzzi but it was not comfortable. Got her finish with BBBJ. Paid the bill which came around 180 mil total including drinks. Took her to the last night Mexican join near the park lleras. Had few drinks, wraps and parted away.
Total damage180 spa+60 food and drinks.
Day-5: went to gutape by bus (34 mil RT), climbed the rock. Had few beers after reaching the top. It was refreshing and relaxing sitting on the hill and watching the scenery. Got down and went into town. Had lunch and strolled around but could not get any action as its small town and most of them are shop vendors and tourists came for sightseeing. Retuned back to pablado by 7 pm, mean while send few message to other FB chicks. One caught my eye as she speaks perfect English and skinny. She came on time around 8 pm, but this time the front desk called and objected to pay guest fee. I am surprised as the last 4 days. No one objected. Went down lobby to see the matter and realized this chick dressed very bad with teared jeans and rugged top. Told the front desk to allow for this time and will take care next time onwards and played dumb. She don't have any breasts but good conversation in english and had good bareback session but I am not able cum but she seems to be tired with in 15 minutes of the session. In the end completed the session and sat in the balcony for drinks and chat. After 1 hours she is getting ready to leave but I asked we should go for another round but she rejected stating she is tired. By now she took two drags already and high. (I hate these chicks who are continuesouly taking pink shit and smoking weed and drinking as well). I was bit upset but did not pushed any more as I don't want any mess on the last night in MDE that too front desk already monitoring what I am doing. Gave her 100 mil and sent her out.
Day-6. Woke up late, tried hotel spa but did not get attracted to the chic, left and had breakfast and left to the airport to reach BOG. Straight went to Tequendama Suites as suggested in the forum. It was awesome space with two beds, hall, kitchen, nice top view of Bogota and close to sant fe area as well. Met our fellow ISG member at coolgreg and one local guy and hung out on the streets and spent some time near Plaza de Bolivar. By this time rain is pouring second time on that day. Got some drinks (rom Santa fe for 40 mil. Worth every penny) and came back to hotel. Saw some spinners going with guests. I am sure some of them might be in this group tried to contact another ISG member at Mr Enternational but he seems to be busy with chics already. After few drinks and chatting. We headed to Santa Fe for street action. Went to few clubs but did not liked much. Ended up picking two vennies (not my taste but) who quoted 2 hours 200 mil for all the 4 of us. By this time one of the local guy we met got high and getting annoyed around us. Got mood off and got rid of him and called the night.
Day-7, went to Monserrate and spent some quality time on the top of hill. Got down and had lunch and packed the bags and returned to airport but 3 hours early. Kicked yourself of not banging any one in Bogota and tried if there are any casa close to the airport but could not find that info. Sadly boarded the flight and returned back to YYZ.
Its been almost a week but Colombia is haunting to return back. I will go back again but this time will plan to take 2 bedroom apartment with kitchen so that cooking some spicy food with fresh meat and bringing multiple chics at a time to spend more time with us.
Left with 300 mil but did not exchanged back to CAD as I am pretty sure will return in few months.
Once again, sorry for the lengthy TR and not articulated like other members. Feel free to PM for the FB girls who are interested to pursue them. They were honest, punctual and did not budged on price. May be they are not super hot but I am ok as long as I get some kind GFE and not rushing.
Looking forward to meet few other members next time. Thanks to Parasitius and Coolgreg for the meetup and drinks.
MadMax9336
03-05-22, 05:24
I'd be interested as well. Please PM me. Thank you in advance.I have used one though I only had session in the end as she quoted 250 mil for each person to gutape.
I gave 150 for the session but she only comes during the morning time.
Sent you PM.
MadMax9336
03-05-22, 05:30
This shit is doo doo. As soon as a mf get ready to head out to do some debauchery, it starts pouring down raining.Yes it was annoying, every day during the afternoon it was pouring for few hours. Well some how we managed by changing our plans accordingly.
BTW, we tried to contact you for meetup on 25th evening via Coolgreg but it looks like you already had a date and busy.
Hope to cross our path again soon.
Big applause to all of you who contributed in this forum.
RamDavidson84
03-05-22, 06:36
OK guy, lost day recovering from exposer to the local white. Never, ever again. Only one thing for this Sargon from now on and it involves bicycle day. And that will only be on special occasions. Thank god for Xanax but I will never get that day back. Oh well, we soldier on.
I put out the call on Facebook that I needed a nurse and house cleaner and it took mear minutes before a lovely chocolate skinned honey offered to aid me in my time of need. She came over checked on me and immediately started clean this nasty mess of an apartment. She helped me get a rappi order for much need liquids and cleaning supplies. She washed and folded my laundry and made sure I needed for nothing. We shared a wonderful lunch and my Escobarian style hangover started to fade. So I suggested why don't we go in the Jacuzzi. She was excited for that. So let me set the scene a little here gentlemen. She is 26, flawless dark brown skin, firm perky breast with nicely proportional nipples, very firm everywhere. She starts with a professional quality lap dance. Very nice. Then on to some BBBJ, also nice. Then she grabs a condom and she continues that lap dance with me inside her. After a few minutes of that and her realizing this is going to take me a while we decide to enter the hot tub. And that's where the real magic happens, I didn't know you could do it in those positions, in the water, in the hot tub. We have achieved the promised land guys, gentlemen we have BBFS and we are loving every minute of it. After a wile of that I suggest we remove ourselves to the bedroom. She is about to lie back expecting the missionary but not with Sargon. I ate her like Kobiashi at the Nathan's 4th of July hot dog eating contest, yeah she had to tap out! On ward to standing doggie at the edge of the bed and Sargon let forth with more than a two tablespoons of the magic sauce, it was a real mess. Not long after she pulled up the covers and threw them in the washing machine..How much extra would you be willing to pay for a 4-5 person hot tub at a rental? Just curious how much value you think a hot tub adds to a rental? Also, Jacuzzi is a brand of Hot Tub, like Ford is a brand of car. Not that it matters, just sharing info. I noticed many of the Units in Medellin have kinda those shitty round tubs which aren't very fun and the water doesn't get too hot.
WeKilledKenny
03-05-22, 11:02
I don't know what to call this, the ultimate irony? Caribe, not even on my Top Ten list (yet?) never asks me for money, not even cab fare. Usually I give her 40 mil when she leaves so she can take a taxi and get something to eat. She works night shifts in a Web cam studio. She is a paranoid schizophrenic maintained on risperidone. She gets jealous and even a little mad when she can't see me because I am with other girls, but she knows how I roll and so far she keeps coming back.
Well, probably one reason she comes knocking on my door every morning, is she does not have a bed. She had been crashing here at my hotel with me, or with a friend, or in an empty room at the studio.
She asked me to buy her a bed, after I don't know how many visits, nine? I don't know what kind of bed you can get for 300 mil COP ($75 USD), but that is what asked for, and that is what I gave her. She is so happy. Not giving a girl like that who is literally the best fuck in my lineup 300 mil pesos when she needs it would be slimy and too decadent for someone in my position. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. Too decadent for Asti?? You don't know me. No brainer.
Sexually, she is a thoroughbred. She loves sex. She chants it sometimes. She is the only girl I can remember who gets to me tap out during sex, but she will have none of it. She drags me back to bed until she has one of her earth quaking orgasms. Those boobs are natural. Her pussy is amazing and her ass is large and muscular. I made a small comment that she was quite a bit heavier than when I first met her and she lost 5 pounds in one week.
We are definitely not in Kansas anymore, Toto.The photo reminds me of someone. By any chance, does she have a tattoo with a skull + snake on her back?
DriftClouds
03-05-22, 15:16
So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?
Mojo Bandit
03-05-22, 17:26
I've enjoyed my annual visits to Kyiv as much as my regular visits to Medellin and it's painful to see what's happening over there. Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.
https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis
https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraineSome people are booking Airbnbs in Ukraine and DMing the owners saying they are not really coming just to get money into the peoples hands. Airbnb in return is waving all their fees so one hundred percent goes to the owner. Of course this is only helping people who own an apartment -.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-are-booking-airbnbs-in-ukraine-as-a-way-to-send-aid-11646439367
https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/03/04/booking-airbnbs-in-ukraine/
I would like to help you but I'm not sure I have the necessary patience or knowledge. I am going to try. By now you probably agree it's better to know whether an activity is legal or not before you engage in it publicly. Whenever police or anyone unknown to you asks to move to a more secluded location, alarm bells and red flags should immediately go off. I hope that helps.
So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?
ChuchoLoco
03-05-22, 18:59
So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?It was a $25 lesson. But it doesn't seem that you learned from your mistake. Be smart and smoke in private. You assumed too much and were wrong.
So I was staying at laurels area near street 70. I pick a good spot where two cameras ahead of me and near my hotel. I saw one of the camera should be watched by the police I thought I will be safe. After I finish my cigar. Probably mixed with tiny bit of marijuana I didn't feel anything. I were still standing there using my phone for another few minutes. Then 2 motorcycle cops approach me. Asked me what country I am from. In a harsh way. I told them I thought it was candy. The cop talk to me harshly laughed. And The other guy seems serious as shit but he says we can solve it the other way. And he says cameras are watching. Lets go to another places. Then we dozen steps and I only have few 50 k bills and few 2 k bills. I gave them 1 50 k. And the police wanted 2 50 k. I gave them what they want and the cop leaves. Like. I was smelling real weed at the street 70. The busiest street at laurels. Nobody fucking care. Wtf. I later ask someone. They says it is legal. The cops just lied to me. What happen if I don't give them money? Will they harm me? Or lock me up for 24 hours Then release me?Weed for personal use is legal in Colombia. You can see and smell people smoking in public all the time especially in Medellin. What happened to you is a classic case of a corrupt cop intimidating a foreigner into paying a bribe. Next time it happens don't give them any money. Tell them "no hice nada ilegal, si quiere vamos a hablar con la fiscalia" and at that point they most likely would have let you go about your business.
Obviously they aren't going to really take you to the fiscalia as they themselves would be the ones getting in trouble for an attempted extortion. Also never go out of sight with them, if anything you want other people around to see what's happening and if the situation escalates you can tell other people what's happening "este oficial me quiere quitar plata y no hice nada ilegal, solo estaba fumando un cigarro y me estan molestando porque soy extranjero" at that point they would definitely back off.
Police corruption is a big problem in Colombia and the public is well aware of it. The riots last April were about police corruption. And have you ever seen graffiti that says "nos estan matando" that is a reference to police brutality
Hey fellas,
I'm going to Medellin for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend me a hotel / Airbnb where.
- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).
- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).
- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).
- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.
It seems that the "famous" Hotel M doesn't have balconies. And in general I would prefer "normal" hotels.
Would love to hear from you guys.
Benzeru.
How much extra would you be willing to pay for a 4-5 person hot tub at a rental? Just curious how much value you think a hot tub adds to a rental? Also, Jacuzzi is a brand of Hot Tub, like Ford is a brand of car. Not that it matters, just sharing info. I noticed many of the Units in Medellin have kinda those shitty round tubs which aren't very fun and the water doesn't get too hot.When you say "jacuzzi" to a Colombian they know what you mean. Those shitty round tubs are called garden tubs. The water doesn't get too hot because many places use inline, on demand water heaters. Many of the water heaters are not properly adjusted. There are 2 adjustments, 1 controls the flow rate through the heater, the other controls the temperature. Usually it's adjusted to provide warm water, not hot water.
Adjusting those water heaters is a bit of an art. If you turn the temperature up too much it overheats and shuts off to prevent starting a fire. If you increase the flow, it reduces the temperature.
If you manage to get the water nice and hot, most girls won't go in because it's too hot for them. They're used to lukewarm water.
I enjoy a jacuzzi, but it's not a deal breaker when I'm looking for an apartment. I first narrow down my price range, usually $39-$85 a night, then decide which place provides better value for me, depending on my plans for that trip.
- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).
- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).
- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).
- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.
.Hotel Nutibara. Ticks all your boxex. But you must ask for a room on floor 10 with a terraza. Only floor 10 has rooms with external / outdoor areas.
DriftClouds
03-05-22, 22:08
Weed for personal use is legal in Colombia. You can see and smell people smoking in public all the time especially in Medellin. What happened to you is a classic case of a corrupt cop intimidating a foreigner into paying a bribe. Next time it happens don't give them any money. Tell them "no hice nada ilegal, si quiere vamos a hablar con la fiscalia" and at that point they most likely would have let you go about your business.
Obviously they aren't going to really take you to the fiscalia as they themselves would be the ones getting in trouble for an attempted extortion. Also never go out of sight with them, if anything you want other people around to see what's happening and if the situation escalates you can tell other people what's happening "este oficial me quiere quitar plata y no hice nada ilegal, solo estaba fumando un cigarro y me estan molestando porque soy extranjero" at that point they would definitely back off.
Police corruption is a big problem in Colombia and the public is well aware of it. The riots last April were about police corruption. And have you ever seen graffiti that says "nos estan matando" that is a reference to police brutality
I would like to help you but I'm not sure I have the necessary patience or knowledge. I am going to try. By now you probably agree it's better to know whether an activity is legal or not before you engage in it publicly. Whenever police or anyone unknown to you asks to move to a more secluded location, alarm bells and red flags should immediately go off. I hope that helps.Gabacho,
Thank you. At least a bit of peace in my mind now knowing they are just want the money. And they wouldn't kill for 100 usd.
Knowledge. Thank you, I think I have a pretty good dance of letting them get into a big trouble. But I think I will be back in the laurels neighborhood. I am not sure if I should report them and lose their job. What if they go revenge on me and kill me or beat my ass.
JohnnyWishBone
03-05-22, 22:21
Hi gents,
Its a been a while I wrote a report and even its been 2 years since I traveled either.
Thanks to few members here whose TR are great help, especially the FB route is the only route I have taken in this trip.
Last week trip with my wingman. Landed in BOG for one week trip from YYZ at odd hours and ended up taking the first flight out to CTG instead of MDE as the airport is closed for maintenance.
CTG: Checked into Hampton inn by hilton in boca grande and crashed out after 20+ of travel (YYZ-SAL-BOG-CTG route). What a mess in this itinerary.
Woke up at noon, took claro sim for 40 mil (10 GB. Hardly used 2 GB though) went to creeps & Waffles for lunch, then walked to old town. Strolled around the streets. It was refreshing and relaxed.
Came back to hotel by taking indriver taxi, during drive asked him if he can hook up with chicas as I was only staying for one night before heading to MDE and did not lined up anyone in this city.
He called few and had one black chic called us and asked for 200 mil, I turned down after seeing her video call.
Then got hold of some local guy thru an expat connection and agreed to meet in old town in the night to party and fun, provided he brings some of his friends.
Thats the biggest mistake as he brought some fat / ugly chics and ended up taking us to clubs and drinking and dancing on our tab.
We finally got off the hook and came back to hotel and called it a night.
Next day morning strolled around the beach for any street action but nothing available in the beach side.
Well checked out the hotel and went to airport to board MDE flight.
MDE: Landed in the evening, took indriver cab direct to pablado (cale 10, near park lleras) restaurant to meet some one known from YYZ. Used Scotia took 900 mil (WS cash card where no FX. Close to google rate).
Had early dinner and pinged 1st FB chick Evelyn, she agreed to meet at the restaurant in one hour. Mean while we bought some drinks and condoms.
She came in with in 45 mins and asked for the taxi 30 mil, then I asked how much for the meetup. She asked 200 k. I said 150 k+taxi. She agreed. I paid the taxi and ordered indriver to our hotel.
I was skeptical about marriott / sheraton who allows chicas or not, but to my surprise, they did not asked anything other than checked her cedula. Well front desk rep can easily sense it what's going as FB-1 is already high (guess pink stuff).
My wingman took shower and went out for spa, then the session began. Decent DFK, BBBJ, CFS, some how I could not cum, hence half way took off the condom and finished bareback. She was hesitating but agreed. My wingman back into the room (we got the upgraded one having balcony with chairs and table) with full privacy. We chatted some time, had drinks. Smoked some weed. Asked my wingman for session which she quoted another 150 mil. But my buddy declined as she got high already (probably went to bathroom to take another drag).
At this time, we are kind of tired and let her go but she ordered some food using rappi (which costed around another 60 mil) as she feels hungry after weed I guess.
Mean while I got ready for second one but she was not interested but don't have choice as the food is getting late. Hence did the quicky again bareback.
Took the food and got into indriver and left. Total damage is 240 mil for 4 hours 2 pops.
Day 2: Great breakfast at hotel, went to communa 13 sight seeing and while returning pinged FB-2 whom I am talking before coming. She has cute face but put up excess weight which is kind of turnoff for me, but did not bothered to turn down when she showed up on time, no issues at front desk to my surprise. Paid for the taxi 20 mil. As usal had few beers, offered smirnoff to her. Then ready for action. My wingman sitting in the balcony while I started the session. Again bareback FS. Paid 100+taxi but no 2nd pop.
Day 3: pinged FB-3 tour guide (red hair). Sharp 11 am and very professional massage, DFK, BBBJ, CFS. I did not tried for bareback as I did not smelled good down there. Hence I rode her with cover. Spoke with her about some guatape trip the next day. Perfect english (we don't speak any spanish at all). Gave 150 (no taxi as she has car it seems) for one pop and massage.
Went to calle 10 again to meet my connection and hired a scooter. Oh boy that was a biggest mistake as we waited for almost two hours to get the agent bring the scooter and finish the paper work. By this time rain was pouring. Pretty much we were stuck at the restaurant amost 4 hours. Finally went back to hotel. Got freshed up and came back to meet one of the forum member. He was living there for a while and showed us the clubs, street action around the park lleras. Went to mexican join near by finished few drinks and drinner and parted ways after midnight.
Day-4: By this time we have realized afternoon would wash out due to rain, hence to make the most. We left early morning on scooter for sightseeing towards airport thru scenic route. Enjoyed few hours of riding the bike in the mountain area. Then headed back to central where we booked city walking tour (free) for 4 hours. By then FB-2 pinged to see me again and as I was not into musems, I told my buddy to continue the tour and left. FB-2 booked a spa (Cra. 35 #8 A 58) for couple session at 100 mil. This looks like a hotel / hostel but inside its kind love motel with rooftop and jacuzzy. Picked up the chic on scooter from her house (30 minutes away from central) and rode back to pablado spa. Took almost 2 hours round trip but enjoyed drive in the city having chic driving the bike and me hugging her from the back. (LOL).
Massage session is mediocre as single girl is doing one after another. After 30 minutes of massage, we were given jacuzzi for an hour. Got some drinks ordered and relaxed and had bareback session in the jacuzzi but it was not comfortable. Got her finish with BBBJ. Paid the bill which came around 180 mil total including drinks. Took her to the last night Mexican join near the park lleras. Had few drinks, wraps and parted away.
Total damage180 spa+60 food and drinks.
Day-5: went to gutape by bus (34 mil RT), climbed the rock. Had few beers after reaching the top. It was refreshing and relaxing sitting on the hill and watching the scenery. Got down and went into town. Had lunch and strolled around but could not get any action as its small town and most of them are shop vendors and tourists came for sightseeing. Retuned back to pablado by 7 pm, mean while send few message to other FB chicks. One caught my eye as she speaks perfect English and skinny. She came on time around 8 pm, but this time the front desk called and objected to pay guest fee. I am surprised as the last 4 days. No one objected. Went down lobby to see the matter and realized this chick dressed very bad with teared jeans and rugged top. Told the front desk to allow for this time and will take care next time onwards and played dumb. She don't have any breasts but good conversation in english and had good bareback session but I am not able cum but she seems to be tired with in 15 minutes of the session. In the end completed the session and sat in the balcony for drinks and chat. After 1 hours she is getting ready to leave but I asked we should go for another round but she rejected stating she is tired. By now she took two drags already and high. (I hate these chicks who are continuesouly taking pink shit and smoking weed and drinking as well). I was bit upset but did not pushed any more as I don't want any mess on the last night in MDE that too front desk already monitoring what I am doing. Gave her 100 mil and sent her out.
Day-6. Woke up late, tried hotel spa but did not get attracted to the chic, left and had breakfast and left to the airport to reach BOG. Straight went to Tequendama Suites as suggested in the forum. It was awesome space with two beds, hall, kitchen, nice top view of Bogota and close to sant fe area as well. Met our fellow ISG member at coolgreg and one local guy and hung out on the streets and spent some time near Plaza de Bolivar. By this time rain is pouring second time on that day. Got some drinks (rom Santa fe for 40 mil. Worth every penny) and came back to hotel. Saw some spinners going with guests. I am sure some of them might be in this group tried to contact another ISG member at Mr Enternational but he seems to be busy with chics already. After few drinks and chatting. We headed to Santa Fe for street action. Went to few clubs but did not liked much. Ended up picking two vennies (not my taste but) who quoted 2 hours 200 mil for all the 4 of us. By this time one of the local guy we met got high and getting annoyed around us. Got mood off and got rid of him and called the night.
Day-7, went to Monserrate and spent some quality time on the top of hill. Got down and had lunch and packed the bags and returned to airport but 3 hours early. Kicked yourself of not banging any one in Bogota and tried if there are any casa close to the airport but could not find that info. Sadly boarded the flight and returned back to YYZ.
Its been almost a week but Colombia is haunting to return back. I will go back again but this time will plan to take 2 bedroom apartment with kitchen so that cooking some spicy food with fresh meat and bringing multiple chics at a time to spend more time with us.
Left with 300 mil but did not exchanged back to CAD as I am pretty sure will return in few months.
Once again, sorry for the lengthy TR and not articulated like other members. Feel free to PM for the FB girls who are interested to pursue them. They were honest, punctual and did not budged on price. May be they are not super hot but I am ok as long as I get some kind GFE and not rushing.
Looking forward to meet few other members next time. Thanks to Parasitius and Coolgreg for the meetup and drinks.Thanks for the run down of your trip. It's interesting to note that bareback sex was openly available for the girls you met up with. I have some girls lined up for my trip in May. Initially they have said no to bareback, but I am hoping that they feel comfortable after the first meet to do bareback. I'll have up to date test results as well for additional comfort.
Hotel Nutibara. Ticks all your boxex. But you must ask for a room on floor 10 with a terraza. Only floor 10 has rooms with external / outdoor areas.But you can smoke in any of the rooms and simply open the windows, that's what my chicas do and nooooo problemas. Good natural ventilation.
The place you mentioned that has no balconies is in a very different neighborhood than the Nutibara. What did you mean by "the location is central?
Hey fellas,
I'm going to Medellin for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend me a hotel / Airbnb where.
- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).
- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).
- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).
- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.
It seems that the "famous" Hotel M doesn't have balconies. And in general I would prefer "normal" hotels.
Would love to hear from you guys.
Benzeru.
ColombiaLover
03-06-22, 01:00
Heading home tomorrow. 16 bangs in 6 days, that includes a couple of trios. Not bad for an old man of 56. Probably need to cut back to two per day next time. Saw my two Gfs. One of the GFs likes trios with her friend on occasion, so we alternate between seeing alone and having the trio. The two of them just left. Since I was leaving, they gave me a nice massage and then a double BBBJ followed by sex with each and cum on both of them. Saw a couple of girls I've seen before, but only two of them are part-time working girls. I have been seeing more "regular" girls of late than working girls. I had meant to see a few new working girls this time, but ran out of time and only saw one. But I did get a few cousins of my non-pro girls, which was fun. My best stat is that I went 100% BBFS. Not one with condom. Of course I'm not banging centro girls, casa girls, or Lleras girls. You can never eliminate a risk, but I've been super fortunate so far in 16 years.
Really hardly left the apartment. The weather has not been particularly good. When I do leave, it's usually to get a few things and some money. I stay near La 70 and there is a supermarket close. The apartment where I stay has two floors. One with the two bedrooms, kitchen, and the salon and the other with the sun terraza and the covered jacuzzi. I pass a lot of time in the jacuzzi, whether I'm with a chica or not. In between chicas, I always have a little work to do or I read a book. Haven't been out with any gringos in quite a while and I kind of like it that way.
Overall, good trip. Met my needs. A week is about right for me. I love to travel, but I also love to go home. Long trips are just not for me, unless I go somewhere that has a lot of things to see (e. G. , Rome). Back in 3 weeks.
Thanks for the run down of your trip. It's interesting to note that bareback sex was openly available for the girls you met up with. I have some girls lined up for my trip in May. Initially they have said no to bareback, but I am hoping that they feel comfortable after the first meet to do bareback. I'll have up to date test results as well for additional comfort.In my experience it's usually better to enquire about that in person face to face with the chica. Of course not every single girl will be willing but you will be surprised how many are.
JohnnyWishBone
03-06-22, 01:36
In my experience it's usually better to enquire about that in person face to face with the chica. Of course not every single girl will be willing but you will be surprised how many are.Thanks Gabacho, that's good to know. It sounds like they'll make a decision based on whether they're comfortable with you or not. It bodes well as I prefer without.
Hi gents,
Its a been a while I wrote a report and even its been 2 years since I traveled either.
Thanks to few members here whose TR are great help, especially the FB route is the only route I have taken in this trip.
Last week trip with my wingman. Landed in BOG for one week trip from YYZ at odd hours and ended up taking the first flight out to CTG instead of MDE as the airport is closed for maintenance.
CTG: Checked into Hampton inn by hilton in boca grande and crashed out after 20+ of travel (YYZ-SAL-BOG-CTG route). What a mess in this itinerary..PM me some whatsapp numbers or facebook names if you have them.
Heading home tomorrow. 16 bangs in 6 days, that includes a couple of trios.
My best stat is that I went 100% BBFS. Not one with condom. Of course I'm not banging centro girls, casa girls, or Lleras girls. You can never eliminate a risk, but I've been super fortunate so far in 16 years.
I don't know if you've won the lottery with those stat's.
You've been awfully lucky for 16 years.
If you think you have a reduced chance of catching an STD because your not banging Centro, Casa, or Lleras girls I don't know about that.
If your banging all those girls without a condom, there's a high probability they are banging lots of other guys without a condom as well.
Most Casa girls won't go without a condom, yet many of the Lleras and Centro girls will if the price is right.
Again, you've been very lucky, but once you catch an STD, you might look at things a little differently, at least I have, and I know others on this board have as well.
And don't get me wrong, the difference is like night and day when the Jimmy Hat comes off.
Hey fellas,
I'm going to Medellin for 3 weeks. Can anyone recommend me a hotel / Airbnb where.
- the location is central (Spanish is almost non-existent).
- no guest fee is necessary (max. 1 per day is OK for me).
- an ID-check for guests is mandatory (due to safety-reasons).
- having a balcony on which smoking weed isn't a problem.
It seems that the "famous" Hotel M doesn't have balconies. And in general I would prefer "normal" hotels..Actually 3 of the room at the "famous" Hotel M have balconies. Room #'s 1, 3, & 6.
DriftClouds
03-06-22, 06:02
Man. First time to casa. I have to say the girls attitude are no less than the Facebook girl. Maybe it is because I booked the 45 minutes section but we all know we only need 30 mind. Brothers. She blow me 5 minutes straight. Because my mood were still down due to the police robbery incident on Friday night. I couldn't focus on enjoying sex. I fuck in couple session for about 15 minutes and I was tired and became soft. And Then I told her rest couple minutes. Then She blow me again. And I cum in her mouth. She said no condom got to give her tip. I tip her for BBBJ. She thought I was going to fuck her without condom. Hell no. The centro strip club is the best. Better than la isla. Altho many girls at centro strip clubs has belly. They are still hot. And more importantly, they know how to dance. And the atmosphere just better. No cover fee. Beers are reasonable price. 10 k. 8 k. Not 30 k at la Isla. La Isla you are not close to the stage. And girls came over every minutes. Your wallet will empty in no time. I might going back to centro tomorrow. I need centro brothers. Now I realize people can easily tells I am gringo even with my caps on. Damn.
It depends on the girl, how educated she is, and how much she likes you. I've never asked for BBFS in my life with prepagos / casually and am neutral to slightly iffy about it and I've still gotten it from three different chicas this year. I've definitely never paid a peso extra for it or any other extra in Medellin for that matter. I just go with the flow and bring up my likes for sex during convo. The ones who did BBFS with me either waved away the condoms or jumped on me before I had a chance to say anything. From my small but growing samples size, I've found that the young moms tend to do it more readily than the girls without kids. Seems like waving money around can help too but I can't speak to that personally.
Thanks Gabacho, that's good to know. It sounds like they'll make a decision based on whether they're comfortable with you or not. It bodes well as I prefer without.
Hey!
First of all thanks for the comments.
With "location is central" I mean there are plenty of restaurants and I can go out almost anytime without a reasonable fear of getting robbed.
So I think El Poblado or Laureles are the areas to go.
The place you mentioned that has no balconies is in a very different neighborhood than the Nutibara. What did you mean by "the location is central?I just read hotel-reviews and the neighborhood auf the Nutibara doesn't seem that friendly for a gringo without Spanish skills.
Does anyone have other recommendations?
Any experiences with smoking up in the Hotel M?
Thanks!
Benzeru.
I see it a little differently. If you have to stick your hand in the campfire to realize you will get burned, you are highly likely to get burned. If you can make risk / reward judgments on a theoretical level, you are more likely to have more reward than risk.
I don't know if you've won the lottery with those stat's.
You've been awfully lucky for 16 years.
If you think you have a reduced chance of catching an STD because your not banging Centro, Casa, or Lleras girls I don't know about that.
If your banging all those girls without a condom, there's a high probability they are banging lots of other guys without a condom as well.
Most Casa girls won't go without a condom, yet many of the Lleras and Centro girls will if the price is right.
Again, you've been very lucky, but once you catch an STD, you might look at things a little differently, at least I have, and I know others on this board have as well.
And don't get me wrong, the difference is like night and day when the Jimmy Hat comes off.
How much extra would you be willing to pay for a 4-5 person hot tub at a rental? Just curious how much value you think a hot tub adds to a rental? Also, Jacuzzi is a brand of Hot Tub, like Ford is a brand of car. Not that it matters, just sharing info. I noticed many of the Units in Medellin have kinda those shitty round tubs which aren't very fun and the water doesn't get too hot.I found that every girl that came to the apartment wanted to go in the hot tub, many would suggest it themselves but all seemed very happy when I suggested it. The hot tub big enough for 3 (maybe 4, I am a large dude) with a depth of about 3 feet. I enjoyed it a lot YMMV. The water got scolding hot and I almost got burnt once not being careful. The image attached is from the rental website and shows the hot tub in the apartment. I really enjoyed the apartment, I had pretty good budget for this trip so $60 per day was very worthwhile.
Dcrist0527
03-06-22, 22:11
Man. First time to casa. I have to say the girls attitude are no less than the Facebook girl. Maybe it is because I booked the 45 minutes section but we all know we only need 30 mind. Brothers. She blow me 5 minutes straight. Because my mood were still down due to the police robbery incident on Friday night. I couldn't focus on enjoying sex. I fuck in couple session for about 15 minutes and I was tired and became soft. And Then I told her rest couple minutes. Then She blow me again. And I cum in her mouth. She said no condom got to give her tip. I tip her for BBBJ. She thought I was going to fuck her without condom. Hell no. The centro strip club is the best. Better than la isla. Altho many girls at centro strip clubs has belly. They are still hot. And more importantly, they know how to dance. And the atmosphere just better. No cover fee. Beers are reasonable price. 10 k. 8 k. Not 30 k at la Isla. La Isla you are not close to the stage. And girls came over every minutes. Your wallet will empty in no time. I might going back to centro tomorrow. I need centro brothers. Now I realize people can easily tells I am gringo even with my caps on. Damn.Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.
In your opinion, safe?
JohnnyWishBone
03-06-22, 22:34
It depends on the girl, how educated she is, and how much she likes you. I've never asked for BBFS in my life with prepagos / casually and am neutral to slightly iffy about it and I've still gotten it from three different chicas this year. I've definitely never paid a peso extra for it or any other extra in Medellin for that matter. I just go with the flow and bring up my likes for sex during convo. The ones who did BBFS with me either waved away the condoms or jumped on me before I had a chance to say anything. From my small but growing samples size, I've found that the young moms tend to do it more readily than the girls without kids. Seems like waving money around can help too but I can't speak to that personally.I think you're right Recondite on your initial comments on educated and liking the guy. All the girls I have has BBFS in South America were only happy to offer it after meeting me, which to be fair to them is understandable. Obviously that is not to say that you can judge 100% that someone is safe or not. But a judgement of character counts for a lot, for both parties, most of the time. Generally speaking, I am cautious about BBFS given the risks, but most cases I've had it with escorts, we've both provided certification upfront. This obviously won't be the case in Colombia with these girls but I'll see how it goes when I am out there. Just reading and commenting on the Bogotá board, it does seem to be more widely available than I first thought.
Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.
In your opinion, safe?If you're going to one of the 3 most popular strip clubs in El Centro, you should have no difficulty getting a taxi right outside. That would be Barra Ejecutiva, Conejitas and Grill Nuevo.
I've left all 3 late at night with no problems. However, I don't drink much, especially in El Centro at night.
Hey!
With "location is central" I mean there are plenty of restaurants and I can go out almost anytime without a reasonable fear of getting robbed.
So I think El Poblado or Laureles are the areas to go.
When you wrote "central", I took that to mean central. Poblado is in the south, and Laureles is west. I now understand that you meant centre of tourism.
So, there are a 101 hotels wkith balconies where yiou can bring a chica a day. Just look on booking.com or whatever, and book for 2 pax.
Hotel M. One room has a balcony. KI don't remember the number. But otherwise, you are welcome to smoke out by the pool. It's a converted house, so all is enclosed and safe.
SankarShetty
03-07-22, 00:46
This forum educated me on both the basic and finer points of mongering in Medellin. I passed it on a few newbies over the past year and it has been a positive experience.
There are a couple of disturbing trends I am hearing recently. Some newbies not RTFFing / wanting everything handed to them on a platter including negotiating the pricing, finding the right fb girls. This level of hand holding is fucking lazy. Do your homework please.
On the other hand, there are veteran mongers pawning off bad chicas, promising finca visits, etc. When the newbies fly in to Rio negro, veterans do not have time or inclination to help. If you cannot show the guy around the city, just say so. Do not jerk him around.
Hey!
.....With "location is central" I mean there are plenty of restaurants and I can go out almost anytime without a reasonable fear of getting robbed.
So I think El Poblado or Laureles are the areas to go.
Does anyone have other recommendations?
Any experiences with smoking up in the Hotel M?.Very well, I'll share my opinions. I wouldn't stay in Poblado for a number of reasons. It will cost you more. There are many restaurants around there and they are more expensive as well.
The Mansion is a popular option for non Spanish speakers that don't have the adventurous spirit. The rooms are $100 a night (or more) and most are adequate but not much more than that. The same rooms at other hotels would run you $30 a night. Of course they have a pool with cold water and a bar and a lot of regular prepagos that hang. I guess that is what you are paying for.
Admittedly there are more English speaking staff in that area. But the Lleras girls want more money because they know that is the tourist area for guys who don't know better. Maybe you think you can avoid that problem by importing your talent through FaceBook. But those girls live in outlying areas (Bello for example) and they will be taking a cab and they will be late because they never consider how long the trip will take. They will want more too because they know you're staying in Poblado so in their mind you must be rich. Poblado has many steep hills so walking around a lot can be exhausting.
Laureles on the other hand has tons of hotels and apartments. They will be a lot less expensive. The Parque Laureles area (Primero Parque and Segundo Parque) are loaded with nice restaurants that will cost you 25-40% less than the equivalent restaurants in Poblado. There are also tons of cheap eating places in Laureles. The girls from FaceBook or Photoprepagos or Mileroticos will be arriving faster and less expensively from those same outlying areas. They won't expect to charge you the gringo premium because you aren't staying in Poblado. Although the mere fact that you are a gringo will mean they will expect some premium over the locals. Laureles is flat, so walking around is easy-peasy. There is a convenient Metro station on 'La Sententa' near the stadium.
If there is a drawback to Laureles. I would say that there are less English speaking staffers at the hotels and restaurants but there are more and more English speakers staying in Laureles these days so that is changing all the time.
DriftClouds
03-07-22, 01:46
Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.
In your opinion, safe?I don't really know if it is safe. Man. Because I don't know if police do their job. I was in safest neighborhood, laurels. Under the security camera. And the polices tell me to bribe them outside of the camera range. So. Maybe centro will be safer with so many witnesses. But I don't really know. Pm me for more.
The Gringo Inn was hit by armed robbers. I assume they since upgraded their security.
When you wrote "central", I took that to mean central. Poblado is in the south, and Laureles is west. I now understand that you meant centre of tourism.
So, there are a 101 hotels wkith balconies where yiou can bring a chica a day. Just look on booking.com or whatever, and book for 2 pax.
Hotel M. One room has a balcony. KI don't remember the number. But otherwise, you are welcome to smoke out by the pool. It's a converted house, so all is enclosed and safe.
Ask the door guy to flag down a taxi for you then get in it as soon as you leave the club. You will be OK. There are usually taxis waiting outside the places once the other business shut down just after 7 PM or so.
Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.
In your opinion, safe?
I can see how jacuzzis would be fun as long as you aren't the one who has to clean it.
I found that every girl that came to the apartment wanted to go in the hot tub, many would suggest it themselves but all seemed very happy when I suggested it. The hot tub big enough for 3 (maybe 4, I am a large dude) with a depth of about 3 feet. I enjoyed it a lot YMMV. The water got scolding hot and I almost got burnt once not being careful. The image attached is from the rental website and shows the hot tub in the apartment. I really enjoyed the apartment, I had pretty good budget for this trip so $60 per day was very worthwhile.
FlagRunner77
03-07-22, 03:10
Has anyone stayed at Borbon Suites? I found a nice apartment on airbnb and the host says that guests are permitted. Just wondering if anyone has any experience of this place? The price is very cheap compared to what is offered so it is almost in the 'too good to be true' category. Reviews seem good.
Thanks for the info, Drifts. I'm heading to MDE this week, determined to give La Isla the best shot I can. But I am curious. What times did you hit up the Centro strip clubs? I've never ventured to Centro. Many of the posts here scare me. LOL. And I do not scare easy. (I often roam the streets in zona norte in Tijuana at 3 AM.) I believe it's just fear of the unknown. I'm clearly gringo. I travel alone. I am a big guy, which is to say a fat ass. I think many mistake my size for muscle. Hahaha So I know that plays in my favor. I'm also very alert. But my biggest concern is leaving a centro bar in the wee hours after drinking.
In your opinion, safe?The average Colombian male is much smaller than the average American male. And even in groups that stalk, those who look for prey in the wee hours of El Centro look for the weaker, smaller types. With that said, if you are staggering drunk, that can you get you rolled in heartbeat.
Don't venture out late at night with any obvious bulges in your pockets, especially a visible cell phone. You will probably not get injured or killed over a cell phone but they can snatch and grab, and run away before you know what happened.
A lot of it is vibe, attitude and awareness.
Let me share an unbelievable example. My Numero Uno Catgirl and her novia were spending the night with me at The Nutti, a landmark hotel in the heart of El Centro. The time was 2:30 AM, I was getting a double blowjob, and all three of us were pretty fuckin' high on the pink shit. Without warning, Cricket (her novia) bolts up and starts speaking to Catgirl that they need to go deliver some food to her cousin who is a homeless person on the street. Both of these girls are well under five feet tall, and under 100 pounds. See photos.
What happened next was as surreal as anything I saw in the movie Apocalypse Now. They were going to go alone without hesitation, but for protection I offered to accompany them. In hindsight, I may have increased our risk with my presence because I don't blend in. But I am also rarely mistaken for a gringo.
The night was cool and misty. First stop, a 24-hour restaurant across the main road to buy a dinner for take-out. Then we proceeded to walk for about twenty minutes, in the worst direction you can from the Nutibara. Lots of people huddled in circles doing drugs, homeless people everywhere. We reached our destination point and Cricket started approaching strangers and asking for her cousin by name. They would point to another circle of drug users hunched on the ground, smoking I don't know what. After the third group, someone pointed us to a building with a sliding metal door-front. We walked over there and said the girl's name again and a guy leaning against the bricks reached down and tossed the door up and open.
A very small girl, same size as Cricket and Catgirl, came scurrying out like an animal, bent over at the waist. She was dirty, with matted hair, tiny cut-off shorts, barefoot, and a midriff shirt that showed her flat belly. Physically, she appeared to be in good condition. She was cute, just like Catgirl and Cricket. She behaved more like a ferral animal than a human, first circling us and then slowly approaching after she sensed no threat.
She politely took the food in the white plastic bag from Cricket and chatted her up. I reached in my pocket to give her some money, but Catgirl gently and firmly grabbed my wrist and said, "No, don't do it, she will just spend it on drugs."
Just as quickly, she disappeared back into the dark hole of the building and the door slid closed. We walked purposefully but not urgently back to the hotel. We got a lot of glances, but no one hassled us and I never felt threatened.
Take home points: Don't have a visible phone on you or anything that appears valuable. Don't act paranoid, scared, arrogant or stand out any more than you naturally do. As I wrote in the beginning, I believe those two tiny chicas would have been just as safe if not safer without me, at 3 AM, walking the streets in one of the worst sections of El Centro. Looking like a gringo will always increase your risk. Don't go out like we did, unless you are with locals or have a reason worth the risk. Most of the actual crimes are not violent, but if they have a gun, they will shoot you in the face at the slightest resistance, including if you simply say "no". Fun times.
When we got back to our room I felt like I was just in a dream. I was amazed about how safe I felt the entire time. Maybe we were just lucky, but my chicas had no fear and acted as though the entire affair was routine. Mind blown, for the thousandth time in Medellin.
I am planning a trip in April. I like the idea of having a secure hotel. I am curious if any of the bigger hotel chains (Marriott or Sheraton) are friendly to girls or is there a way to talk to the front desk Otherwise, any advice is appreciated.
I am also curious the best way to find girls? I have heard a few websites are helpful but are there better ways? If anyone can pass along some contact info I would be very grateful.
Also happy to meet some new friends if anyone is in town.
JohnHancock11
03-07-22, 14:27
Has anyone stayed at Borbon Suites? I found a nice apartment on airbnb and the host says that guests are permitted. Just wondering if anyone has any experience of this place? The price is very cheap compared to what is offered so it is almost in the 'too good to be true' category. Reviews seem good.I stayed there on my first trip to Medellin last year. I was able to lock it up fairly last minute too. Nice apartment on the 2nd floor. I didn't have the view but I had a huge balcony. The apartment was clean and well maintained. It had a washer / dryer in it. The owner was very helpful and replied to messages quickly. No problem bringing chicas in as long as they had ID and no additional cost. The only thing I didn't like about it was that it was too far away from Laureles and Centro which is where I ended up hanging out a lot. On busy traffic days it was like a 30 minute Uber or more.
This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.
Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.
Plan accordingly.
Expect long lines at liquor stores beginning this Wednesday. Also, many restaurants will serve beer and wine in paper cups during the dry period.
This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.
Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.
Plan accordingly.
Tomorrow is Women's Day here in Colombia. Any adult female who means something to you in your life here you are going to want to at least wish her a happy day. Or a card. Or a small gift. Or not.
Like Mother's Day but the Colombians extend it to all women.
If you know a woman here who likes you and you don't at least wish her a Happy Woman's Day, she will take it as a slight.
This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.
Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.
Plan accordingly.I've been thru this before here, and many of the small little stores in the poorer barrios will be selling booze discreetly, however not in Poblado.
Good advice to stock up, I just came back from the store as I was running low on beer and was out of Tequila.
In May of this year for the election of the President there will be another dry weekend.
I am planning a trip in April. I like the idea of having a secure hotel. I am curious if any of the bigger hotel chains (Marriott or Sheraton) are friendly to girls or is there a way to talk to the front desk Otherwise, any advice is appreciated.
I am also curious the best way to find girls? I have heard a few websites are helpful but are there better ways? If anyone can pass along some contact info I would be very grateful.
Also happy to meet some new friends if anyone is in town.Somehow, I don't think you'll get much of a response on this one. These questions have been answered as nauseam on the board. Why don't you go through about 60 pages and read the "Reports of Distinction."
My brother and I are scrambling, While we were messaging back and forth with the Mansion they booked the rooms that we wanted so now looking for good Chica friendly accomodations.
We are checking in Wednesday the 9th for 6 nights. Looking for a nice 2 bedroom in Laureles close to parque segunda if possible.
FlagRunner77
03-08-22, 01:14
My brother and I are scrambling, While we were messaging back and forth with the Mansion they booked the rooms that we wanted so now looking for good Chica friendly accomodations.
We are checking in Wednesday the 9th for 6 nights. Looking for a nice 2 bedroom in Laureles close to parque segunda if possible.The would appear to meet your requirements and looks to be available. They have other properties too and I understand the properties to be chica friendly.
https://www.livrealtymedellin.com/property/santa-ana-601-a-3-bedroom-gem-in-laureles/
FlagRunner77
03-08-22, 01:40
I stayed there on my first trip to Medellin last year. I was able to lock it up fairly last minute too. Nice apartment on the 2nd floor. I didn't have the view but I had a huge balcony. The apartment was clean and well maintained. It had a washer / dryer in it. The owner was very helpful and replied to messages quickly. No problem bringing chicas in as long as they had ID and no additional cost. The only thing I didn't like about it was that it was too far away from Laureles and Centro which is where I ended up hanging out a lot. On busy traffic days it was like a 30 minute Uber or more.Thanks for the response, much appreciated!
WonderBoyz
03-08-22, 01:40
Hi all!
Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.
1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?
2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).
3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?
4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:
Thanks in advance everyone.
I appreciate it, my brother and I found a nice 2 bedroom. If there are any chica recommendations please message me with them, so much safer than Milerotico.
The would appear to meet your requirements and looks to be available. They have other properties too and I understand the properties to be chica friendly.
https://www.livrealtymedellin.com/property/santa-ana-601-a-3-bedroom-gem-in-laureles/
I see it a little differently. If you have to stick your hand in the campfire to realize you will get burned, you are highly likely to get burned. If you can make risk / reward judgments on a theoretical level, you are more likely to have more reward than risk.My insurance policy Doxycycline. I tell my doctor that I'm going to an area where Malaria is present, script is written. Kills Malaria, Gonorrhea, Syphlis and Chlamydia. Start 2 days before travel, take during travel and 3 or 4 days after returning.
MarquisdeSade1
03-08-22, 02:57
My insurance policy Doxycycline. I tell my doctor that I'm going to an area where Malaria is present, script is written. Kills Malaria, Gonorrhea, Syphlis and Chlamydia. Start 2 days before travel, take during travel and 3 or 4 days after returning.https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22922018/antibiotic-resistance-epidemic-drug-resistant-infections
Hello all,
First time visiting Colombia which I will arrive on Wednesday. I was informed I needed to complete a Checkmig before arrival. Which I completed today. I received an email confirmation with the basic info I submitted. My name, passport number, airline info. Is this all I need? A friend of mine said I was supposed to receive a QR code?
I sent the bitcoin following instructions as laid out more than 24 hours ago and it doesn't look like my premium membership is activated yet. I am right now in Medellin and wanted to touch base with a couple of seniors through messaging and I am not able to do it. Is this delay normal? Is there anything I need to do other than sending bitcoin and contacting the admin through the "Contact Us" page?
And we answered you. You subscription was activated after you sent your TXID.
Have you tried login out then log in, and check if it is activated?
Admin3
I don't see any messages confirming the activation. I am trying to send a message (or click on a thumbnail) to see if my membership is activated and it is not. I still can't send messages or see the thumbnail images bigger.
[The confirmation was sent via email, probably is your SPAM.]
Hello all,
First time visiting Colombia which I will arrive on Wednesday. I was informed I needed to complete a Checkmig before arrival. Which I completed today. I received an email confirmation with the basic info I submitted. My name, passport number, airline info. Is this all I need? A friend of mine said I was supposed to receive a QR code?No, no QR Code, and Immigration on Arrival will not ask to see anything as they will have you in the system, however, you should have a copy to show your airline confirming registration.
Yes, this is one of the reasons these medications are restricted. When patients mislead their physicians or decide they know better than their physicians, it causes problems for all of us.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22922018/antibiotic-resistance-epidemic-drug-resistant-infections
Mr Enternational
03-08-22, 04:37
I was informed I needed to complete a Checkmig before arrival. Which I completed today. I received an email confirmation with the basic info I submitted. My name, passport number, airline info. Is this all I need? A friend of mine said I was supposed to receive a QR code?That is all. Just take a screenshot of it to show when you check in at the airport. Maybe your friend was thinking of Dominican Republic. They have a QR code.
I went to Fase Dos about 4 years ago, and I remember there was a ST hotel next door (exit and walk to the right) where the chicas would take you. I tried to look on google maps but don't see it. It is still there? And if so what is the name?
Does La Isla have something similar or is it takeout only?
Another question about La Isla - 4 years ago when I tried to go to their on a Sunday night apparently it was a "regular" dance club that night and wasn't going to open until 11 pm. Are there certain days where its a regular club vs a strip club?
Thank you.
Hi all!
Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.
1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?
2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).
3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?
4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:
Thanks in advance everyone.1. Yes they allow outside chicas with a valid ID, unless the girl was previously banned from the Mansion.
2. I let the girls find their own ride. In many cases you will need to come out to pay the taxi. If you're agreeing to pay the taxi it's a good idea to confirm how much you will pay.
3. The girl arrives. She shows her ID at the desk and tells them your room number. They call you to confirm and send her up.
4. When you're first talking to them, tell them you only speak a little Spanish. Google Translate works fine. Stick with simple, direct sentences.
Husker Dude
03-08-22, 05:47
Hi all!
Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.
1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?
2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).
3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?
4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:
Thanks in advance everyone.For Hotel M,the hotel itself doesn't allow male guests. Any chica can get in with a valid cedula & vac. Card as long as they have not been banned. The hotel bar next door does allow outside guests, fees vary, maybe 50 K. I think most just let the chicas arrange their own ride. It's negotiated for the service and ride.
Lucky Nuts
03-08-22, 06:05
Hi all!
Been following the form for a while now and finally booked a trip to Medellin next month. I'm a newbie to Medellin, so just have a few questions if some more experienced folks can help me out.
1. Does Hotel M allow outside guests (E. G, FB chicas)? If so, does Hotel M charge fees for outside guests?
2. For FB chicas coming to you, do most of you book the ride for the chica (I. E. , call the rideshare for them), or do chicas get their own rides and then you reimburse when they get to you (if you negotiated cab fare as part of total).
3. What is the general procedure for chicas coming to San Peter Apartments? Do they just have to check-in with the front desk via their IDs?
4. My Spanish is fairly basic (although getting better), so more likely than not I will need to use a translation app to have more in depth conversations. Besides Google Translate, are their any good apps that people use? Also, do most of you reveal your level of Spanish to chicas before they come or when they get to you? I just don't want to surprise my visitors with my basic Spanish abilities:
Thanks in advance everyone.1. In the past it's always been free to bring your own chica to your mansion room. I haven't stayed there recently but expect the policy is the same.
2. Depends on how you structure the deal. I see a lot of FB chicas and have learned it's important to clarify the specifics of our deal as we are making it. In other words if you don't tell her it's "X mil pesos incluyendo de taxis" she is going to expect you to pay the taxis in addition to whatever number you agreed upon. Personally I like to build the cost of her transportation into the deal so I don't need to screw around with getting an Uber to find her at her address. And she can use InDriver and probably make a few extra pesos off the 50 mil I build into our deal.
3. Yeah the San Peter reception ladies are very welcoming to the chicas. They just need to have proper identification which is a an original cedula for Colombianas or a passport for chicas de Venezuela. Be aware you are not allowed more than one guest at a time so no threesomes going to happen there.
4. The chicas are used to seeing gringos that speak almost no spanish. Sounds like you are ahead of most. They don't care how much you speak if you are just doing pay per meet. No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.
Have fun and please write up reports of your experiences.
Expect long lines at liquor stores beginning this Wednesday. Also, many restaurants will serve beer and wine in paper cups during the dry period.What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?
1. In the past it's always been free to bring your own chica to your mansion room. I haven't stayed there recently but expect the policy is the same.
2. Depends on how you structure the deal. I see a lot of FB chicas and have learned it's important to clarify the specifics of our deal as we are making it. In other words if you don't tell her it's "X mil pesos incluyendo de taxis" she is going to expect you to pay the taxis in addition to whatever number you agreed upon. Personally I like to build the cost of her transportation into the deal so I don't need to screw around with getting an Uber to find her at her address. And she can use InDriver and probably make a few extra pesos off the 50 mil I build into our deal.
3. Yeah the San Peter reception ladies are very welcoming to the chicas. They just need to have proper identification which is a an original cedula for Colombianas or a passport for chicas de Venezuela. Be aware you are not allowed more than one guest at a time so no threesomes going to happen there.
4. The chicas are used to seeing gringos that speak almost no spanish. Sounds like you are ahead of most. They don't care how much you speak if you are just doing pay per meet. No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.
Have fun and please write up reports of your experiences.How do you guys find FB chicas? Is there a good group to join?
No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.
I find Bing / Microsoft translate gives much more reliable results. I see some guys using Google. They speak in to their phone then show the result to the chicas. Then I have a good laugh at what they just "said" to the girl. No wonder they are often confused.
Spanishdict is great too, but more for study / learning as you go.
I find Bing / Microsoft translate gives much more reliable results. I see some guys using Google. They speak in to their phone then show the result to the chicas. Then I have a good laugh at what they just "said" to the girl.Google Translate goes better than that now. You can type or speak in English what you want to say into your phone, then the phone will repeat out a Spanish translation (or whatever language you have chosen) in audio of what you just typed or said in English. So, no need to speak / type and then show the girl your phone. She can just listen, as if you're speaking directly to her versus having to show her your screen each time.
Dcrist0527
03-08-22, 16:03
This coming weekend all bars will close and liquor sales stop at 6 pm on March 12.
Bars can reopen and liquor sales resume at 6 am on Monday March 14.
Plan accordingly.Thanks for sharing. This has me completely bummed. I was hoping for a big party Friday and Saturday nights in the bars. I'll just move my plans to Thursday and Friday nights. Hope it isn't dead Thursday night.
AtlNightmare
03-08-22, 16:40
I will be flying out to Medellin next Thursday exited and nervous at the same time because it is my first visit. I will be there for two weeks I have a chica from Barranquilla that will be with me 18th and 19th but will be solo after. I am first grade Spanish but I believe and hope I can get by with google. I plan to hit all the casas, strip clubs, and clubs while I am there I don't have a subscription could not figure out bitcoin so I can't message anyone if you will be there in that time (March 17- April 1). I do want to thank you all for all the info over these last six months that I have gotten it is no way I would be as confident as I am without this forum that I found on a humbug but it was meant to be I believe. My apartment allows up to four people at a time including me but I don't plan on having more than one at a time. It is 24 hour security with ID verification an absolute must which makes me comfortable. The apartments are called the Orange Suites looks amazing but I will see when I arrive. Any last minute advice is welcomed but no pressure to do so. I will write up a report as I go if I can if not when I get back I will. I have all FB girls and some tinder too so that will be my route along with the park and milercros. I am weary of Centro so unless I meet gringos that I vibe with to go with me I may not go but that is not set in stone will see how comfortable I feel. Peace and thanks fellas.
What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?Elections. Most Latin countries hold elections on Sundays and ban booze for the entire weekend. But, it's LatAm so due to the concept of 'hecha la ley, hecha la trampa,' anyone with any street smarts can buy booze anyway. But stock up and avoid the hassle.
Lucky Nuts
03-08-22, 17:40
What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?Sunday, March 13.
Colombian parliamentary election, 2022.
What is the reason for the booze prohibition on these dates?It used to be the same in the US, no alcohol sales on election days. The purpose is to prevent someone from getting a bunch of people drunk, convincing them to vote one way and dump them off to vote.
Public transportation is also free on election days in Colombia.
WonderBoyz
03-08-22, 18:03
How do you guys find FB chicas? Is there a good group to join?I am new to FB chicas in the Medellin scene, but I have used FB in other places before.
All it really takes is one "seed" chica. As long as you can find one via FB search or something, then just go on her friend list and start searching for other chicas. Of course, some will be non-pros. But you can typically tell by glancing at a chica's photos if they are pros or not (e. G, working girls will have more sexually focused photos versus photos of nature / with friends, etc.).
Of course, this strategy takes some time. Also, this strategy focuses on working girls. I have no experience chatting up a non-working girl and trying to get her to meet up.
Besides FB, you can also use Instagram, but in my experience, chicas tend to check their Insta DMs less.
It used to be the same in the US, no alcohol sales on election days. True, but normally only during the hours the polls are open. Might still be that way in some parts of the Yew Ess. But not the whole effing weekend for fuck's sake.
FlappyGilmore
03-08-22, 23:45
I will be flying out to Medellin next Thursday exited and nervous at the same time because it is my first visit. I will be there for two weeks I have a chica from Barranquilla that will be with me 18th and 19th but will be solo after. I am first grade Spanish but I believe and hope I can get by with google. I plan to hit all the casas, strip clubs, and clubs while I am there I don't have a subscription could not figure out bitcoin so I can't message anyone if you will be there in that time (March 17- April 1). I do want to thank you all for all the info over these last six months that I have gotten it is no way I would be as confident as I am without this forum that I found on a humbug but it was meant to be I believe. My apartment allows up to four people at a time including me but I don't plan on having more than one at a time. It is 24 hour security with ID verification an absolute must which makes me comfortable. The apartments are called the Orange Suites looks amazing but I will see when I arrive. Any last minute advice is welcomed but no pressure to do so. I will write up a report as I go if I can if not when I get back I will. I have all FB girls and some tinder too so that will be my route along with the park and milercros. I am weary of Centro so unless I meet gringos that I vibe with to go with me I may not go but that is not set in stone will see how comfortable I feel. Peace and thanks fellas.Good choice with Orange suites. I'd advise stopping by sweet Georgia cafe. It's an American bar a good spot to meet a potential centro pal. Just grab a drink and introduce yourself.
IMO, eliminate the park and add a mall or strip joint, or spa.
FlappyGilmore
03-08-22, 23:53
I went to Fase Dos about 4 years ago, and I remember there was a ST hotel next door (exit and walk to the right) where the chicas would take you. I tried to look on google maps but don't see it. It is still there? And if so what is the name?
Does La Isla have something similar or is it takeout only?
Another question about La Isla - 4 years ago when I tried to go to their on a Sunday night apparently it was a "regular" dance club that night and wasn't going to open until 11 pm. Are there certain days where its a regular club vs a strip club?
Thank you.The ST hotel is to the LEFT of Fase Dos not right but yeah it's there.
Curious if anyone has met this girl in this youtube video? She speaks English really well. I wonder if she can be like that aleetours girl and give tours then have extras afterwards!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR_dDQPzSmM
When the policia close down a love motel here they don't fuck around, see photo. This was my favorite one, located near the NW corner of Simon Bolivar Park, don't quote me on that location, but it doesn't matter now. The last chica I fucked there was my Numero Uno Novia Catgirl when she was doing some role playing as a skanky puta, hotter than fuk session, if I can put my hands on those fotos I will post them here and now.
Anywho, this love motel was known for not checking ID's (cedulas) which can come in handy in certain situations, not for anything illegal of course. The beginning of the end was after they reopened Simon Bolivar Park, they installed a cai or tiny police station across the street. Suddenly the hotel came under increased scrutiny and the first foto shows the final result. They cement blocked up the entrance. Geez, talk about making a statement. Oh well, I have already found my replacement hotel for those circumstances when needed, which are rare. Not surprisingly, the replacement love motel is owned by the same people of the hotel that got cemented shut. Go figure. Ostee Out and let's Keep On Keepin' On.
I found the fotos mentioned above of Catgirl at same motel, including one of what the entrance looked like before it was sealed. That session will always be burned into my memory as one our hawtest.
WonderBoyz
03-09-22, 02:41
1. In the past it's always been free to bring your own chica to your mansion room. I haven't stayed there recently but expect the policy is the same.
2. Depends on how you structure the deal. I see a lot of FB chicas and have learned it's important to clarify the specifics of our deal as we are making it. In other words if you don't tell her it's "X mil pesos incluyendo de taxis" she is going to expect you to pay the taxis in addition to whatever number you agreed upon. Personally I like to build the cost of her transportation into the deal so I don't need to screw around with getting an Uber to find her at her address. And she can use InDriver and probably make a few extra pesos off the 50 mil I build into our deal.
3. Yeah the San Peter reception ladies are very welcoming to the chicas. They just need to have proper identification which is a an original cedula for Colombianas or a passport for chicas de Venezuela. Be aware you are not allowed more than one guest at a time so no threesomes going to happen there.
4. The chicas are used to seeing gringos that speak almost no spanish. Sounds like you are ahead of most. They don't care how much you speak if you are just doing pay per meet. No I haven't heard of anything better than google translate.
Have fun and please write up reports of your experiences.Thank you for the info! One follow up q (for you or other people on the form): I've been messaging back with a few AirBnB / hotels and many do allow guests, but say that "guest hours" are only from 8 am - 9 pm. In people's experience, how strict has this policy been? If a chica comes in at 7:30 pm, will they call up to your room at 9 pm to say that the chica has to leave? Or do most just not let in any new people after 9 pm?
My insurance policy Doxycycline. I tell my doctor that I'm going to an area where Malaria is present, script is written. Kills Malaria, Gonorrhea, Syphlis and Chlamydia. Start 2 days before travel, take during travel and 3 or 4 days after returning.For gonorrhea, yes doxycyline is alternate first line treatment behind a much simpler one-time treatment regimen, instead of having to take doxy for 14 days. We will call that strike one. See chlamydia below.
For chlamydia, same story, doxy is an alternate first line treatment to single dose azithromycin. When you expand a treatment regimen from one dose (azithromycin) to twice a day dosing for 14 days (doxy), the compliance to treatment drops from 100% to less than 40%, in other words 60% no cure before we even consider resistance patterns of the infectious agent to the antibiotic, which can significantly reduce cure rate even more. We will call that strike two.
I will give you doxy for malaria prevention, although the treatment duration is long, one or two days before you travel, every day while you are in the endemic region, and then for 28 days after you leave. Did you happen to know that doxycycline is poorly tolerated because of "pill esophagitis" side effects? So good luck with that. But I will call a ball and not a strike on you for this one, my well-meaning but ignorant friend.
Finally syphilis, for which doxy is second line treatment in early first stages of syphilis only, instead of a penicillin shot. Syphilis has three stages that can extend for years and needs to be treated early to be treated successfully or in the final stages it can be deadly and impossible to cure. Because the cure rate is less than purrfekt even with parenteral penicillin in the first stage, the preferred treatment for syphilis is not doxy but desensitization treatment with penicillin and then proceeding with the penicillin.
Strike three my well-intending fellow monger, you are out.
I don't normally like to talk about credentials except when it comes to propulgating medical misinformation on the Internet, I will do so this time.
I am speaking from experience as a former chairman of a Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee for an international Fortune 50 health insurance company with millions of covered lives. I had a team of pharmacists and physicians under me. And you?
Ostee Out. Powned.
Google Translate goes better than that now. She can just listen, as if you're speaking directly to her versus having to show her your screen each time.Doesn't say anything about the quality of the translation.
I am new to FB chicas in the Medellin scene, but I have used FB in other places before.
All it really takes is one "seed" chica. As long as you can find one via FB search or something, then just go on her friend list and start searching for other chicas. Of course, some will be non-pros. But you can typically tell by glancing at a chica's photos if they are pros or not (e. G, working girls will have more sexually focused photos versus photos of nature / with friends, etc.).
Of course, this strategy takes some time. Also, this strategy focuses on working girls. I have no experience chatting up a non-working girl and trying to get her to meet up.
Besides FB, you can also use Instagram, but in my experience, chicas tend to check their Insta DMs less.Thank you for the information and reply. I am having a hell of a time finding a seed chica.
When the policia close down a love motel here they don't fuck around, see photo. This was my favorite one, located near the NW corner of Simon Bolivar Park, don't quote me on that location, but it doesn't matter now. The last chica I fucked there was my Numero Uno Novia Catgirl when she was doing some role playing as a skanky puta, hotter than fuk session, if I can put my hands on those fotos I will post them here and now.
Anywho, this love motel was known for not checking ID's (cedulas) which can come in handy in certain situations, not for anything illegal of course. The beginning of the end was after they reopened Simon Bolivar Park, they installed a cai or tiny police station across the street. Suddenly the hotel came under increased scrutiny and the first foto shows the final result. They cement blocked up the entrance. Geez, talk about making a statement. Oh well, I have already found my replacement hotel for those circumstances when needed, which are rare. Not surprisingly, the replacement love motel is owned by the same people of the hotel that got cemented shut. Go figure. Ostee Out and let's Keep On Keepin' On..How do you find these spots? Looks fun.
AtlNightmare
03-09-22, 05:28
Good choice with Orange suites. I'd advise stopping by sweet Georgia cafe. It's an American bar a good spot to meet a potential centro pal. Just grab a drink and introduce yourself.
IMO, eliminate the park and add a mall or strip joint, or spa.Will do thank you. Sweet Georgia Cafe was on my first to do list to meet people we are on the same page sir.
Thank you for your report.
What is candy and coffee girls? And are there any termas or clubs or Medellin is more like a catching sw?
Did you find it easy to get BBFS or that's not your cup of tea?
Last question: where can I find top quality gals in Medellin?Candy and coffee girls are those that go around selling candy and coffee. They are not limited to Centro. They are in most areas, including Poblado. Not all are players, but most are.
I am not a club guy. Just not by vibe. Leave that to you younger mongers. So no help there.
As far as BBFS. It is there 90% of the time. Just specify in advance. There is an upcharge, but nothing stupid. Street, coffee, and candy girls in centro will ask 30-50. Offer them 100 for whatever you want and most will go. If not, walk on.
Top quality girls. Can't answer that because that is such a personal preference. If you want the fake tits, face, etc. That is one thing. Not my jam. I prefer the more natural and regular type. But if you want the fake porn / stripper types for $150-400 a throw, I do know a guy there that can set you up. PM me.
Happy hunting.
Snook.
How did you go about hooking up with the candy and coffee people? Were you straight forward? Did you kinda test the waters and feel about and see what they was going to say before taking the plunge?Pretty straight forward. They offer candy or coffee. I tell them I don't want that, but I do want them. How much? They know. They respond with 30-50 K. Obviously they are all in. For basic services. I will then offer more. 100 K ($25) for BBFS and / or other sick shit I want to do and they will accept 90% of the time. If not, walk on. There is another one 20 feet away.
Happy hunting.
Snook.
Tied my old personal record of 8 chicas in one day today. The first time was during my first trip to Medellin over two years ago. Notable differences, the first time was done with drill-March planning and scheduling. Today completely formed itself after I woke up without any pre-planned appointments. In fact, I had a slow start, especially now that Caribe is no longer jump starting my mornings with early arrivals.
I was headed to the WOM store over at the corner of Ground Zero around 10:30 AM when I saw one of my go-to putas standing next to the entrance of my favorite short time motel. So it began. Stellar session that we extended from one hour to 90 minutes. Then I was two steps out of the entrance of the hotel when I saw the same two sex workers from my most recent three-way. Made a you-turn (auto-editor idiocy) back into the hotel, wash, rinse, repeat for thirty minutes. Three down and it was still early afternoon.
The rest fell into my lap. Pumpkin owed me a session from some money I fronted her and she came through. Than another three-way with Scarlet and her roommate, always good for some hawtness. While they were still here Scarlet called another of one of her friends, as she often does, to come over. And there was Spanish teacher between Ground Zero and Pumpkin. Pretty sure that makes eight.
The funny thing is, if I count a chica who was here after midnight the night before, and Super Groovy who offered to come but I took a power nap instead, it would have been ten chicas in 24 hours. But the best records are when you are not trying to set them, and they happen naturally, so I have zero complaints.
Pretty straight forward. They offer candy or coffee. I tell them I don't want that, but I do want them. How much? They know. They respond with 30-50 K. Obviously they are all in. For basic services. I will then offer more. 100 K ($25) for BBFS and / or other sick shit I want to do and they will accept 90% of the time. If not, walk on. There is another one 20 feet away.
Happy hunting..In the back creeks of Sarasota. Hook them behind the head and yank them out of the water. We would do the same thing to a mullet.
I've just tried to message but couldn't, I'll be in Colombia April too.
I am planning a trip in April. I like the idea of having a secure hotel. I am curious if any of the bigger hotel chains (Marriott or Sheraton) are friendly to girls or is there a way to talk to the front desk Otherwise, any advice is appreciated.
I am also curious the best way to find girls? I have heard a few websites are helpful but are there better ways? If anyone can pass along some contact info I would be very grateful.
Also happy to meet some new friends if anyone is in town.
AmericanOxygen
03-09-22, 14:05
I found that every girl that came to the apartment wanted to go in the hot tub, many would suggest it themselves but all seemed very happy when I suggested it. The hot tub big enough for 3 (maybe 4, I am a large dude) with a depth of about 3 feet. I enjoyed it a lot YMMV. The water got scolding hot and I almost got burnt once not being careful. The image attached is from the rental website and shows the hot tub in the apartment. I really enjoyed the apartment, I had pretty good budget for this trip so $60 per day was very worthwhile.Hey Sargon,
I read through your post but I can't seem to find out where you stayed. Which apartment is this and do you recommend it?
Thanks, AO.
Pretty straight forward. They offer candy or coffee. I tell them I don't want that, but I do want them. How much? They know. They respond with 30-50 K. Obviously they are all in. For basic services. I will then offer more. 100 K ($25) for BBFS and / or other sick shit I want to do and they will accept 90% of the time. If not, walk on. There is another one 20 feet away..You make it sound so easy, straight forward, and with a high success rate, yet as your aware, this will be a challenge for guys with limited Spanish speaking skills.
As far as a 90% probability that both the Candy and Coffee girls go to the room, I would put that estimate at closer to 100% for the Candy girls, but much lower for the Coffee girls, as they can actually earn between 15 and 20 K in a day selling coffee, and lots of them don't sell their bodies.
Pulling Candy girls is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet the coffee girls are a different matter.
Thank you for the info! One follow up q (for you or other people on the form): I've been messaging back with a few AirBnB / hotels and many do allow guests, but say that "guest hours" are only from 8 am - 9 pm. In people's experience, how strict has this policy been? If a chica comes in at 7:30 pm, will they call up to your room at 9 pm to say that the chica has to leave? Or do most just not let in any new people after 9 pm?Nobody can give you an accurate answer unless maybe you provide a specific place. Why bother with those ones if that's not going to work for you? Don't mess with house rules that could disrupt your holiday and pick one without those restrictions.
The ST hotel is to the LEFT of Fase Dos not right but yeah it's there.LOL you are both right. As you face Fase 2 it is on the left. As you walk out the door it is on the right.
I went to a Claro store in a shopping mall. I was prepared to get the $40 k plan for 30 days & 12 gb as reported by others here, but then saw there are other cheaper options. I'm staying less than a week and got the 7 day & 1.3 GB (more than enough) package for $7 k, so with the cost of the SIM card itself ($7 k), the total comes out to 7 k + 7 k = $14 k (less than $4 USD).
Here's the list of prepaid plans to choose from according to your needs:
https://www.claro.com.co/personas/servicios/servicios-moviles/prepago/paquetes/
Bring your passport, they don't scan it, they just enter the info.
You make it sound so easy, straight forward, and with a high success rate, yet as your aware, this will be a challenge for guys with limited Spanish speaking skills.
As far as a 90% probability that both the Candy and Coffee girls go to the room, I would put that estimate at closer to 100% for the Candy girls, but much lower for the Coffee girls, as they can actually earn between 15 and 20 K in a day selling coffee, and lots of them don't sell their bodies.
Pulling Candy girls is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet the coffee girls are a different matter.Try for a windshield washer girl out in the middle of the street, jeje.
ChuchoLoco
03-09-22, 18:21
I went to a Claro store in a shopping mall. I was prepared to get the $40 k plan for 30 days & 12 gb as reported by others here, but then saw there are other cheaper options. I'm staying less than a week and got the 7 day & 1.3 GB (more than enough) package for $7 k, so with the cost of the SIM card itself ($7 k), the total comes out to 7 k + 7 k = $14 k (less than $4 USD).
Here's the list of prepaid plans to choose from according to your needs:
https://www.claro.com.co/personas/servicios/servicios-moviles/prepago/paquetes/
Bring your passport, they don't scan it, they just enter the info.Did same thing at Unicentro Mall but the girl sent me to Exito for the 7 mil data plan.
I've just tried to message but couldn't, I'll be in Colombia April too.I am figuring out this bitcoin thing to get a regular membership. I will be in touch.
How do you find these spots? Looks fun.I am not a subject matter expert on Medellin. I haven't been to 90% of the places discussed here. I should probably get out more since mongering is an indoor sport, jeje.
Another foto of Catgirl in that love motel.
Goforth315
03-10-22, 17:34
Hello!
Arriving today and leaving Monday, staying in the parque Lleras area. How are the chicas around there? Are the bars open? I know elections will be impacting my time there but hoping to get numbers, or go with tinder / milleroticas as a back up.
Sargent 50
03-10-22, 19:01
I know Sundays slow in Latin America but which place is better for a Sunday?
You make it sound so easy, straight forward, and with a high success rate, yet as your aware, this will be a challenge for guys with limited Spanish speaking skills.
As far as a 90% probability that both the Candy and Coffee girls go to the room, I would put that estimate at closer to 100% for the Candy girls, but much lower for the Coffee girls, as they can actually earn between 15 and 20 K in a day selling coffee, and lots of them don't sell their bodies.
Pulling Candy girls is like shooting fish in a barrel, yet the coffee girls are a different matter.I was 3 for 3 with coffee girls in Centro, but perhaps I just got lucky. I may have also used non-verbal clues when approaching. As far as their earning 15-20 K a day, working all day, I would suggest that many women that may not normally sell herself be influenced by making the same money in 30 minutes (100 K) as they would working 5 full days.
A person with limited Spanish skills will do fine. Just a few words and basic phrases will do the trick. It is either a yes or no, not a conversation. Walk up and say "No quiero cafe / candy / or ese" (I don't want coffee / candy / that pointing to the coffee / candy). Say "te deseo" (I want you). "quanto" (how much). She will either say no or give you a number. Know your numbers. Negotiate from there with numbers. Don't need a lot of words. When done, say "vamos". There is always google translate for more conversational needs.
Happy hunting.
Snook.
I was 3 for 3 with coffee girls in Centro, but perhaps I just got lucky. I may have also used non-verbal clues when approaching. As far as their earning 15-20 K a day, working all day, I would suggest that many women that may not normally sell herself be influenced by making the same money in 30 minutes (100 K) as they would working 5 full days..Well your batting average makes more sense for someone offering and paying a coffee girl 100 K for thirty minutes.
However, things could be awkward, or quite the opposite with a coffee girl that doesn't normally sell their body which I'm sure your cognizant of.
It could range from a girl not even asking for a condom, and into kissing, versus a girl wanting everything covered and very nervous while in the room.
100 K can go a long way in Centro, and is about three times the going market rate for locals which begs the question, why pay a coffee girl that normally doesn't go to the room three times the market rate.
I was 3 for 3 with coffee girls in Centro, but perhaps I just got lucky.Sample size did not achieve power. Followed by classic projection, albeit well-meaning.
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