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What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.Gracias for all your suggestions, they were greatly appreciated. I have been to Sao Paulo, Costa Rica, Bangkok, and several cities in Mexico including CDMX, and never felt unsafe. I will heed your words keep my head on a swivel but will enjoy myself, I am fluent in Espanol, and hopefully that will help.
About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?
Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.
This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.
https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684
This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.
https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426
According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem.
My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed. So if Location A (streets of El Poblado) is rumored to have a serious risk and Location be (brothels) seems to have no risk, and both locations are about the same price with the same quality of women, I am going to be..Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.
Elvis 2008
01-06-24, 15:45
What is safer Medellin or Bogota?? I know a lot depends on you and how careful you are. But for the guys that have been to both, which do you find a safer place? My biggest fear is getting drugged or robbed.I think the more upscale areas of Bogota are safer than the upscale areas of Medellin.
I am assuming you are not hanging out in the ghetto but there is a red light area in South Central Bogota that I went to with another ISGer that was scary as shit and way worse than centro in Medellin.
I have always stayed in hotels with good security, never had more than a beer or two when I went out, and I never had any problem with safety.
Also, I think because there was so much easy pussy whenever you had that warning voice in your head go off, like your Spidy sense, go off, I would listen to it. I think we all have done dumb things in pursuit of pussy.
I met a dancer in Bogota and banged her. She was hot and great lay, and I took her back to my hotel. I saw her again, and she was like come to my place, I want to cook for you. And I was like no, you cook and bring the food to my hotel. Then I saw her at the club again and she was weird. She was pushing for me to go to her place after I banged her in the club, and I did not go. I never saw her again.
I just felt like she was trying to hard to get me to come to her place and something was just not right about it. I am not sure if she was trying to get me to her place to drug me or rob me, but looking back on things, my guess is she probably was.
Full disclosure, I did not click the youtube links. This is because you can find a youtube video that supports any narrative, so for me posting and viewing dueling youtube videos is pointless.
The simple answer to the question of how dangerous Medellin is "it depends. " It depends on the individual and what that individual does and how that individual moves. Enjoy the Philippines.
About the eternal question: How dangerous is Medellin?
Honestly, I just don't know and I doubt that anyone else does. There are so many different opinions online from seemingly sincere people.
This fellow declares that he spent a year traveling through 26 countries and the one place he will NOT visit again is Medellin.
https://youtu.be/9tzG0N33R8M?si=4sXuRyGm5M9khsVb&t=684
This video just came out and he says it's no worse than the US.
https://youtu.be/0t8rN2HySAI?si=ON4B3tk_-mtZQgHB&t=426
According to him, there were three serious incidents recently however they were unique exceptions and besides them, crime isn't a big problem..
I don't mean to treat you like Claudine Gay the ex-President of Harvard and of course this is not the Times of London but an you name any of your sources? I'm shit at math but I do know 50% higher is not very meaningful without a baseline.
Medelland's homicide rate is about 50% higher according to one source I looked at. A couple of others, the difference wasn't as much but MDE's rate was higher everywhere I looked. I've been to both and had issues in MDE and no issues in BOG, but of course that is a random sample of one.
I remember that time slot thing from years ago. After a session as I was getting dressed a girl told I had to wait for her to shower before I could leave. It made me wonder how many guys actually go along with that and pay the girls extra for sitting there while they slow walk the end of the session.
I checked out New Life to just get the check in the box. Attached is the price list. I thought it was interesting the specificity for time slots. The array of girls was dizzying. They brought them out in rapid succession and expect you to remember their name or number. My brain ain't that good but they worked with me to get the girl I wanted.
Dcrist0527
01-06-24, 22:50
It's called Rio Sur Mall. Level 4 towards the back is OM Spa for men. There are also 4-5 other places there too.For what it's worth, I'm not sure you can count on FS in these places. Been to OM several times and I think each girl is a freelancer. I've never had FS offered. Since I'm usually more interested in a BJ, it doesn't hurt my feelings. LOL But as has been said, their extras prices are really high. One girl asked for 300 k for a HJ. I just laughed and told her just finish my massage. The massages are really good though. As always, YMMV.
I echo TXP's sentiments below. I'm not interested in music or clubs or drinking or nightlife. This is where all the questions I've asked have pointed at as well in terms of wanting to maximize my time with the ladies. I'm only in Medellin for two days (sandwiched between 3 days in Bogota). In Colombia for a total of 5 days and I'd like to experience a minimum of 3 women per day. That might seem lofty but as the old saying goes, "I ain't here for a long time, I'm here for a good time."
That being the case, I've compiled a list of places (with a few notes) to visit based off research and suggestions from this excellent message group / you fine folks:
Angeles Spa.
Eros Spa.
New Life. Massage (visit during the day).
Jade Palace spa massage.
Loutron Massage.
Gustos. Bar.
Black Diamond. Club.
Playmates / Conejitas strip club.
Rio Sir Mall OM Span for men (level 4).
I'd gladly take feedback on those locations or recommendations on others (with the knowledge of what I am looking for). I'm also still looking for ideas on where to stay. Looking at Hotel Dix but not 100% sold. As always, thanks in advance and stay safe out there!
.....My personal opinion is this. I'm a sex tourist. Personally, I'm not interested in music, dancing, drinking, nightlife. I want sex with a minimal risk of getting killed...
It's called Rio Sur Mall. Level 4 towards the back is OM Spa for men. There are also 4-5 other places there too.I've been to OM Spa several times and always had a good experience. I've always gone for the sensual massage and happy ending. I got phone number of one of the therapists and next trip took her to dinner and engaged in sexy time in Airbnb apartment.
I went once to a smaller spa in Rio Sur and ended up having a massage then a wild full service session with an attractive MILF therapist.
Mr Enternational
01-07-24, 00:37
Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.I agree about the language. I think it is better to speak English to a Colombian person and know they do not understand what the hell you are saying, than to speak English to a Filipino person and they agree to what you are saying, but later you find out they did not know what the hell you were saying.
Colombians are also smarter that Filipinos. I like to tell the story about when I was at a resort in the Philippines. Me and my girl were in the pool and the worker came around to take dinner orders. I looked at the menu and did not fell like much so I asked for a grilled cheese. She said sorry sir, we do not have grilled cheese; we only have grilled ham and cheese.
Also, maybe he likes his women shaped like wooden planks. If that is the case then he will be in hog heaven.
Sex addicts. Hanging on to every post until they read something that pushes the tipping point to buying a ticket.
Look, your chances of dying are much greater by a Colombians hand the second you step off the plane.
You make it back safely without incident and believe it will always be like that then good on ya. Kinda like the actor in the movie "The hurt locker".
The guys that didn't even make it to the city can't report anymore so that's in your favor. Like an ostrich with its head in the ground.
Man up or live vicariously through others on the internet LOL.
TexasPistol
01-07-24, 03:40
Going from Colombian women to Filipinas is going to be a huge letdown for you. The language proficiency was overrated.I have seen youtube videos, by filipinas, who explain that most filipinas are only interested in vaginal intercourse with the lights off but they prefer no condom, which for me is a big plus.
I am more attracted to Latinas on the average. On the other hand I am not attracted to psychopaths pointing guns at me. I don't even like being pickpocketed, which did actually happen to me in Medellin.
It's a tough call.
TexasPistol
01-07-24, 05:39
The simple answer to the question of how dangerous Medellin is "it depends. " It depends on the individual and what that individual does and how that individual moves. Enjoy the Philippines.I think people who are coming to Medellin as tourists are really asking "How dangerous is Medellin compared to where I live?" If you are coming from a nice neighborhood in the US or Europe the answer is "definitely more dangerous" however no one really knows how much more dangerous. You should take a lot of precautions which you do not need to take at home. Even then if you happen to have bad luck and be at the wrong time and wrong place, something bad can happen and back home that's much less likely.
America is dangerous too when you're dealing with lying gold diggers. This baseball player was targeted by a girl and falsely accused him of rape, and then her texts revealed she was going after him before she even met him. Men are marks no matter where we live.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&pp=ygUfVHJldm9yIGJhdWVyIHRleHRzIHJhcGUgYWNjdXNlcg%3D%3D
I think people who are coming to Medellin as tourists are really asking "How dangerous is Medellin compared to where I live?" I disagree. I think tourists tend to compare where they can spend their money amongst different locations to vacation. All things being equal, a guy might be deciding between Medellin and Sosua, for example. If they feel like Sosua is safer, they might pick Sosua, regardless if they come from the Projects on the South Side of Chicago. If a tourist was considering a trip to Ukraine, now might not be a good time, regardless of where you live in the states. People travel to places like Cuba all the time and know it is more restrictive than where they come from, but they compare Cuba to other destinations, not where they come from.
Great point. The USA is probably the most dangerous country in the world to be fucking lots of women all the time.
America is dangerous too when you're dealing with lying gold diggers. This baseball player was targeted by a girl and falsely accused him of rape, and then her texts revealed she was going after him before she even met him. Men are marks no matter where we live.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SphfHJbsmk&pp=ygUfVHJldm9yIGJhdWVyIHRleHRzIHJhcGUgYWNjdXNlcg%3D%3D
You might be on to something. Just recently there was a guy on here asking the group to decide between Medellin and Sosua for him.
I disagree. I think tourists tend to compare where they can spend their money amongst different locations to vacation. All things being equal, a guy might be deciding between Medellin and Sosua, for example. If they feel like Sosua is safer, they might pick Sosua, regardless if they come from the Projects on the South Side of Chicago. If a tourist was considering a trip to Ukraine, now might not be a good time, regardless of where you live in the states. People travel to places like Cuba all the time and know it is more restrictive than where they come from, but they compare Cuba to other destinations, not where they come from.
I don't mean to treat you like Claudine Gay the ex-President of Harvard and of course this is not the Times of London but an you name any of your sources? I'm shit at math but I do know 50% higher is not very meaningful without a baseline.https://colombiacorners.com/is-bogota-safe/#text=100%2 C000%20 in%202022%20 is%20 way,(25%20 homicides%2 F100 k).
https://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-security-statistics/
Et cetera. I just googled 'Homicide rate Bogota medellin" or some such.
But 50% more is 50% more regardless of baselines. Um 3 vs 2? Does that help? Anyway MDE appears to have a higher homicide rate by all sources.
The big difference is when in poblado or mongering as a foreigner we are specific targets. Whereas in the USA certain areas are generally dangerous. Look at yourself in the mirror if you don't resemble a Colombian you're a specific target to those that are in the business of drugging, pickpocketing, robbing, etc. If a thief in bello is looking to rob someone then they don't care who they rob. If they're robbing in poblado they're looking for a specific profile to target.
Colombia corners and Colombia reports, yes this helps me understand your sources. Anyway, I'm a simple guy so my perspective is not complicated. People who have had problems here should seriously consider changes to their routines or trying to get by someplace else. People who haven't had problems should stick with what's working. Crimes happen in big cities. Anyone to whom that is news should definitely get their antenna up.
https://colombiacorners.com/is-bogota-safe/#text=100%2 C000%20 in%202022%20 is%20 way,(25%20 homicides%2 F100 k).
https://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-security-statistics/
Et cetera. I just googled 'Homicide rate Bogota medellin" or some such.
But 50% more is 50% more regardless of baselines. Um 3 vs 2? Does that help? Anyway MDE appears to have a higher homicide rate by all sources.
I fucked up. This is my fault for not understanding the topic. I thought these posts dominating the conversation the past couple of weeks were about guys getting drugged and robbed. I do know a subset of the victims have turned up dead but I did think it was about murder rates in general. I have to own up to not paying as much attention to content here that isn't about girls specifically.
https://colombiacorners.com/is-bogota-safe/#text=100%2 C000%20 in%202022%20 is%20 way,(25%20 homicides%2 F100 k).
https://colombiareports.com/bogota-crime-security-statistics/
Et cetera. I just googled 'Homicide rate Bogota medellin" or some such.
But 50% more is 50% more regardless of baselines. Um 3 vs 2? Does that help? Anyway MDE appears to have a higher homicide rate by all sources.
This photo from the official Instagram account of Barrio Provenza made me smile over the weekend. It is one of a series of three or four to illustrate a post that thanked City Hall for mounting police security operations in the neighborhood. If you look closely you can notice the policeman searching the prepago's handbag pulled out a large bottle of durex lube.
Michael Taylor
01-08-24, 15:34
Fellow Marylander so here you go. Full service massage places on the upper floors of the mall directly across the street from the entrance to the Oviedo mall, which also has a full service massage place. Just a few blocks from Santa Fe. Usually you will get a CMT level massage with extras available. Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.
If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:
I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?
Black Page
01-08-24, 16:35
I am assuming you are not hanging out in the ghetto but there is a red light area in South Central Bogota that I went to with another ISGer that was scary as shit and way worse than centro in Medellin.Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.
Dcrist0527
01-08-24, 17:44
The big difference is when in poblado or mongering as a foreigner we are specific targets. Whereas in the USA certain areas are generally dangerous. Look at yourself in the mirror if you don't resemble a Colombian you're a specific target to those that are in the business of drugging, pickpocketing, robbing, etc. If a thief in bello is looking to rob someone then they don't care who they rob. If they're robbing in poblado they're looking for a specific profile to target.Well said. Comparing two locations comes with so many variables is nearly impossible. We can overcomplicate it. Your point is true and simple. If you fit the profile, you are a target. Uncontrollable. But you can mitigate those risks with any number of the tactics discussed on this board forever.
On a related note, while looking in the mirror. I have a theory. And it's partly common sense. It is wholly unscientific and not much more than speculation on my part. But I think that your size has alot to do with that. Again, seems fairly obvious. I'm generally cautious and aware. But I've put myself in some bad situations on multiple occasions by partying too hard. I'm not bragging; it's embarrasing. But no doubt I was an easy mark. But I'm a bigger guy. I'm not muscular, just heavy. More fuscle than muscle. Haha But generally speaking, I'm larger than latinos. So while I think luck has played a part, I also think that your physical size is part of the equation.
Michael Taylor
01-08-24, 19:47
I couldn't help but browse the ads on Mileroticos. As a complete gringo visiting Medellin for the first time (that doesn't speak Spanish), should I even attempt this?
I'm obviously nervous about visiting anyone in their incall. . . . but I've also heard of horror stories inviting escorts to my hotel room.
Should I just stick to an overpriced experience at OM Spas or should I play the Mileroticos game.
Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):
https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sexy-ginger-milf-pelirroja-madura-y-sexy/23367356/
Take an uber, didi or taxi to Zandaly, New Life, Amigas Sexxy. The last two are easier access from the main boulevard. The employees will help you get a ride back to Poblado. You will spend less and get much more. The catch is you will be exposed to Colombia but that is not necessarily a bad thing. You can blame me if this eventually leads you into becoming a Centro rat.
Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.
If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:
I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?
Take an uber, didi or taxi to Zandaly, New Life, Amigas Sexxy. The last two are easier access from the main boulevard. The employees will help you get a ride back to Poblado. You will spend less and get much more. The catch is you will be exposed to Colombia but that is not necessarily a bad thing. Be sure to get it in before dark (about 6 PM). You can blame me if this eventually leads you into becoming a Centro rat.
Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.
If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:
I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?
It might be Santa Fe?
Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.
Are you thinking of Santa Fe?
Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.
Are you thinking of Santa Fe?Primero de Mayo the tolerence zone in the south of Bogota, basically another zone like santa fe, but very few gringos dare go there. Been there a few times with colombian friends to check out a compleely different set of girls when we get bored with santa fe, but I don't recommend you go there if you can't speak spanish, stick to chapinero and santa fe.
AmorPorFavor
01-09-24, 06:50
I couldn't help but browse the ads on Mileroticos. As a complete gringo visiting Medellin for the first time (that doesn't speak Spanish), should I even attempt this?
I'm obviously nervous about visiting anyone in their incall. . . . but I've also heard of horror stories inviting escorts to my hotel room.
Should I just stick to an overpriced experience at OM Spas or should I play the Mileroticos game.
Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):
https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sexy-ginger-milf-pelirroja-madura-y-sexy/23367356/The only red flags I see are that she is old and fugly.
What is my Spanish going to do for me? Can I say don't rob me because I'm asking you not to in Spanish, or "leave me alone I am a Medellin Centro rat?
Primero de Mayo the tolerence zone in the south of Bogota, basically another zone like santa fe, but very few gringos dare go there. Been there a few times with colombian friends to check out a compleely different set of girls when we get bored with santa fe, but I don't recommend you go there if you can't speak spanish, stick to chapinero and santa fe.
Primero de Mayo the tolerence zone in the south of Bogota, basically another zone like santa fe, but very few gringos dare go there. Been there a few times with colombian friends to check out a compleely different set of girls when we get bored with santa fe, but I don't recommend you go there if you can't speak spanish, stick to chapinero and santa fe.There's another one too called 7 de Agosto I believe.
Mr Enternational
01-09-24, 11:35
Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):She seemingly speaks English because she used google translate for the ad?
I couldn't help but browse the ads on Mileroticos. As a complete gringo visiting Medellin for the first time (that doesn't speak Spanish), should I even attempt this?
I'm obviously nervous about visiting anyone in their incall. . . . but I've also heard of horror stories inviting escorts to my hotel room.
Should I just stick to an overpriced experience at OM Spas or should I play the Mileroticos game.
Any red flags on this ad (mostly interested because she seemingly speaks English):
https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/sexy-ginger-milf-pelirroja-madura-y-sexy/23367356/You can read the reviews on this website to get a sense of what you may receive. YMMV as always but it offers some piece of mind. Use the translator app on your browser to convert to English. https://catadorcolombia.com/forums
Thanks for this advice (and the few others that have added info). I've been picking up some Spanish phrases to help me communicate.
If I can get away from my group, I might do a cap ride to New Life, but that is probably unlikely. That said:
I'm probably looking to go to the Rio Sur mall and find a place there. That's just 2-3 blocks from where I'm staying. It sounds like there are a few places on the 4th level that could be of interest. I'm really looking for more than a Happy Ending. Full service, ideally. Are there places there that are more prone to do that, than others? Would I be better off taking an 9 block walk to Jade Palace for this?Usually it depends on the girl what is available and I suppose if she likes your vibe or wallet. I generally make sure they see I have a decent amount of cash on me when I prepay for the massage portion of the appointment and you can literally see their eyes light up with greed. So you do have some bargaining power because of the potential opportunity for her to loose out on a lucrative payday. I've had full service at all of them except for the Asian themed place which quoted a truly astonishing number for a hand job but I've also been told full service wasn't available from specific girls but it has been rare. One girl said no to full service but agreed to a BBBJ. She gave me one of the top 10 BBBJ's I've ever had and I've had a lot. I'm glad she said no to FS and based on her skills I subsequently assumed it was only because she was likely on the rag. It's like a box of chocolates Forrest.
Michael Taylor
01-09-24, 15:31
The only red flags I see are that she is old and fugly.It'll work because I'm old and fugly. Ha.
As I'm learning from all of you fine gentlemen, I'll try to do a cab ride to New Life, otherwise, I'll hit OM (or one of the other places in that Rio Sur mall).
Elvis 2008
01-09-24, 15:32
Would you please remind the name of that area? I remember I was in such a place many years ago, and I was never able to locate it again. No, I am not speaking about Bronx or LOS Martires, and I understand you are not speaking about that.Yeah, it is Primer de Mayo. Top and most upscale club there was Angelo's. The funny part about it was there were way more women there and way fewer customers but the women would quote Santa Fe prices and could not be talked down. I cannot recall going to a club in Santa Fe and there only being three men and thirty women, but we saw club after club like that. There are not any street walkers, and the guys trying to get you into the clubs were way, way more aggressive than Santa Fe.
What is my Spanish going to do for me? Can I say don't rob me because I'm asking you not to in Spanish, or "leave me alone I am a Medellin Centro rat?Jajajaja true, speaking Spanish and having street smarts are not magic pills that will guarantee your safety and insulate you to avoid criminal activity or bad situations as the locals born and raised here in Colombia are unfortunately victims of crime every day too. Just saying a gringo with no Spanish communication ability increases his chances exponentially of being a victim.
QualitySmut
01-09-24, 22:32
Intro: Forgive me forum but I have sinned.
I went to Colombia for a month and use my knowledge you all have granted me and didn't share a single detail. May 15 - June 17 or something.
Sad story & excuse: I lost my main cell phone the very first day I was in the country. Make the the first hour I was out of customs. I knew the rules and I came prepared with the burner phone. The problem was I didn't login to all my apps before the trip. This cause some issue with Uber and it wouldn't let me order a car from the burner phone despite being logged in. Temptation got me and I wanted to go to the strip club mind you this is in Bogota. I spent a day or two there before going to Medellíand for the majority of my trip. Long story short I lose the phone before I even make into the club. This traumatized me as I'm now stranded in a foreign place and I didn't even know my address. By the grace of God I made it home after contemplating the reality I would be sleeping outside my first night in Colombia. The relief that washed over me as my building came into view was unimaginable. For some unknown reason I took my frustration out on you guys hy not reporting back it was out of pocket and tbh I don't know why I did it.
To clear my conscious I will do my best to tell the stories I remember. I was there for a month so even 50% of my stories is is going to give us plenty of material for the forum. I go back to Medellíand this Saturday so I got alot of old news to unpack in preparation for the new memories.
1st Medellin story:
There is this hotel type structure called go living suites. Seems to be a building full of hotel room sized Airbnbs. It's located in Poblado, the richest area of town to my knowledge. I had the room with a one Bryant motif. Enough about the room. First thing I did when I got there was leave to get supplies. I headed to the grocery store for beer and water. The water was for me. I bought a six pack for the door men and a six pack for the chicas that would visit.
I'm pretty sure the first night I invited a girl over. We will call her Angie. Funny thing is that might be her real name but I honestly can't remember. She was tall, maybe 5 foot 7. She was slim with chocolate skin. I'm a fan of the afro Latinas. I remember she had big lips and big tits I loved. She was a younger girl, maybe like 20. I remember she was late because she left her ID with a relative on accident. When I heard that my antenna was up for the bull shit. I gave her a time limit. She managed to beat it. This was my first Colombian Facebook girl. I had read they can be flakey and to have a backup and to employ this very strategy.
How we met: we met in Facebook. The way the pros on the forum would usually do it. We met after I made it to Colombia but before I was in Medellin. I gave her some normal conversation to get some details on her life. She is a single mother and unfortunately I knew that meant I had a chance to work my move. The day before I get to Medellin I let her know I'm not looking for nothing serious and I got her number anyway. I phrased it as a bias question. "you not looking for a serious relationship are you? If not that's cool I'm just trying to have fun". When she didn't disagree I knew I was in the game. Eventually I get her to agree to my terms.
-At least 3 hours, maybe I said 4 idk.
- bare blow job.
- condom sex.
- kissing.
-250.000 pesos.
-20.000 pesos for transportation. Maybe more I forgot what my policy was but it was meant to be fair.
She agreed to it. I'm pretty sure I started at 200 and she negotiated up to 250.
The room: When she arrived we checked her in head to my room and I offered her a beer. I read this beer move was a classic. Seemed to be a waste of beer most of the time since no one finished it but it gave them something to help with some of the nervous energy. I try to get her to pick a song to listen too on YouTube to help set the move. I didn't know what Colombian women liked yet because this is the first one I've ever had in my room. She reluctantly found a Playlist. I could sense the mood was low so I tried to up my game and hit her with another move I've read about. However, my execution in this instance was laughable. I reached into a hide place and like magic produced a jewelry box the long kind that would normally hold a necklace in it as a gift. I give her the anklet inside hoping to raise her morale. It did a little bit but not as much as I had hoped. Maybe it's a "you get what you pay for "type situation. I had bought several super cheap jewelry off of temu before arriving. I put them in boxes from Amazon to make them more presentable. I Spent maybe 25 dollars if like 8 gifts for added negotiations leverage when needed.
After she accepted the present she had a noticeable but small smile on her face. I suggested that she take a shower, talking up the luxury of it. She went in without any resistance. I imagine she enjoyed the hot water and nice pressure as she mentally prepared to receive the dick of a complete stranger. Once she got out she was wrapped in her towel. Her long legs where in full view battling for my attention with the combo of her pretty face perched above her Bountiful cleavage. She sat on the couch adjacent to the bed and sipped the beer some more. I could tell she was still nervous, but by this time I had ran out of prepared moves and my blood wasn't in the head that is responsible for coming up with a good pan, but the other one. I tell her to come sit by me on the foot of the bed. She put her beer down and did as she was told. Within seconds I had her towel off and I kissed her. She didn't seem overly receptive to the kiss which was a bummer. Too bad for her that did little to stop what was inevitable. I played with her tits they were more saggy than I expected but still had some weight to them. Before too long I stand up and put my dick in her face. I could see she wanted to say something, but I could sense she new it would fall on deaf ears. Mostly because my Spanish is bad LOL. She took me in her mouth for a tame short BJ. I forget how it happened but she basically communicated to me she was done sucking dick. I took her from behind next. I tried more kissing in missionary it wasn't great. Her riding skills were awesome though. We ordered food and we fucked till it got there. Then I after we eat I told her she need to make me nut again before she was dismissed. I paid her and sent her on her way.
She was a beautiful girl but obviously not that into the situation. We went weeks without talking. I wasn't keen on her coming back because of her attitude. It was a decent first fuck on Colombia but it could have been better.
Sorry if this is a duplicate I thought I made this post last night but I don't see it.
Jajajaja true, speaking Spanish and having street smarts are not magic pills that will guarantee your safety and insulate you to avoid criminal activity or bad situations as the locals born and raised here in Colombia are unfortunately victims of crime every day too. JuAst saying a gringo with no Spanish communication ability increases his chances exponentially of being a victim.With respect, the inability to communicate easily in Spanish does not "exponentially" increase your chances of being a victim. I think it is something different, a lack of understanding the culture, that leads to victimization. So what do I mean? Wearing jewelry or expensive watches, pulling out your iphone while you are on some street. Walking alone down some isolated street, especially at night. Wearing shorts or sandals. These are things that make you stand out. Many of us are very pale, or tall but even with that, it is that something extra that makes someone stick out that gets them noticed and in trouble.
LvZooMan211
01-10-24, 02:28
I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.
Guys, I know one of the spas will send photos of who is working at the moment. The others are a gamble, you can't meet the lineup. Any of you cats get a masseuse blindly and chose to leave?
What is Parque Lleras like during the day in terms of looking for ladies? I will likely be staying somewhere close and I was curious what kind of working ladies I can expect to find during the day and what pricepoint I can expect. Also, still looking for recommendations on lodging. Finally locked my flights in place and I will be staying four nights. Checking in on a Friday night and checking out on a Tuesday. Any help / tips / recommendations are appreciated.
I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.You didn't go through the worst parts of Medellin, they would not be on your route or anywhere close to New Life. But the area around New Life is quite okay, I walk there lots and it is not a bad area, lots of little restaurants and bakeries and such. I usually ride the metro down to San Antonio or Parque Berrio stations and walk over. About a 10 or 15 minute walk. I would not be keen on it at night, but during the day and early evening lots of regular people out and about and quite pleasant.
My guess is his driver took him on a shortcut through Niquitao to avoid the traffic in San Diego. It is in fact one of Medellin's worst neighborhoods. It is where transient Venezuelans and indigenous people who don't have the means to stay in Santa Cruz, Manrique, Paris and other well known slums of Medellin. It's not unusual in Niquitao that people default to sleeping in the wooded areas on the south side of avenida San Juan until they can scratch together enough to pay for a daily room fee. The neighborhood can be quite jarring at first sight. It's not a place to stroll during anytime of day or night.
You didn't go through the worst parts of Medellin, they would not be on your route or anywhere close to New Life. But the area around New Life is quite okay, I walk there lots and it is not a bad area, lots of little restaurants and bakeries and such. I usually ride the metro down to San Antonio or Parque Berrio stations and walk over. About a 10 or 15 minute walk. I would not be keen on it at night, but during the day and early evening lots of regular people out and about and quite pleasant.
The waiting room photo is classic. Two gringo punters in the middle of the city dressed for a day at the beach.
I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.
I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.Not really cheap compared to other casas in that area with better looking talent prices starting 55 for 30 minutes.
I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.Even if you do the right thing and dress casual, no jewelry, it all comes down to luck or wrong place wrong time. Remember that video from Brazil with the girl sitting in front of her apartment complex and that guy just walks by and starts stabbing her. My first time in Colombia I went to La Isla and this guy, I guess didn't like Americans, and was saying something to me in Spanish, I didn't know what he was saying, he looked pissed. Bouncer said don't worry and threw him out. It could be any thing that triggers somebody. Keep to yourself, don't trust anyone there and hope for the best.
My guess is his driver took him on a shortcut through Niquitao to avoid the traffic in San Diego. It is in fact one of Medellin's worst neighborhoods. It is where transient Venezuelans and indigenous people who don't have the means to stay in Santa Cruz, Manrique, Paris and other well known slums of Medellin. It's not unusual in Niquitao that people default to sleeping in the wooded areas on the south side of avenida San Juan until they can scratch together enough to pay for a daily room fee. The neighborhood can be quite jarring at first sight. It's not a place to stroll during anytime of day or night.Possible. I have been through there going back up toward Poblado in a taxi and it is not a great area. And the area under the metro going toward Prado station has some rough spots. But that is not likely on a route to New Life is what I was thinking. Anyway, there are such places where casual walking would not be advised.
What's everyone think of the Airbnb options around Parque? Also looking at Hashtag 98 and the Damn Carlton. I'm looking for a place that has a decent setup since I'll be there 5 days.
My guess is his driver took him on a shortcut through Niquitao to avoid the traffic in San Diego. It is in fact one of Medellin's worst neighborhoods. It is where transient Venezuelans and indigenous people who don't have the means to stay in Santa Cruz, Manrique, Paris and other well known slums of Medellin. It's not unusual in Niquitao that people default to sleeping in the wooded areas on the south side of avenida San Juan until they can scratch together enough to pay for a daily room fee. The neighborhood can be quite jarring at first sight. It's not a place to stroll during anytime of day or night.Kind of like that area west of Prado, I think mayorista or whatever, where there are a lot of homeless people on drugs all in the streets. There's a place there where the homeless can go to shower and get cleaned up and get a meal it's called DIA dos or some shit. The homeless are called habitantes de la calle. I could see how an area like that could scare some gringos.
This is messed up. That sign indicates New Life is the most expensive casa in Centro right now. I guess they are entitled to leverage their core customer base.
Not really cheap compared to other casas in that area with better looking talent prices starting 55 for 30 minutes.
All in all I think you did well.
Intro: Forgive me forum but I have sinned.
I went to Colombia for a month and use my knowledge you all have granted me and didn't share a single detail. May 15 - June 17 or something.
Sad story & excuse: I lost my main cell phone the very first day I was in the country. Make the the first hour I was out of customs. I knew the rules and I came prepared with the burner phone. The problem was I didn't login to all my apps before the trip. This cause some issue with Uber and it wouldn't let me order a car from the burner phone despite being logged in. Temptation got me and I wanted to go to the strip club mind you this is in Bogota. I spent a day or two there before going to Medelland for the majority of my trip. Long story short I lose the phone before I even make into the club. This traumatized me as I'm now stranded in a foreign place and I didn't even know my address. By the grace of God I made it home after contemplating the reality I would be sleeping outside my first night in Colombia. The relief that washed over me as my building came into view was unimaginable. For some unknown reason I took my frustration out on you guys hy not reporting back it was out of pocket and tbh I don't know why I did it.
To clear my conscious I will do my best to tell the stories I remember. I was there for a month so even 50% of my stories is is going to give us plenty of material for the forum. I go back to Medelland this Saturday so I got alot of old news to unpack in preparation for the new memories...Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?
VsebudetNY
01-10-24, 23:57
I was just at New Life last week for the first time. Not sure why but the Uber driver drove us through the worst parts of Medellin. I would not walk through those areas during the day, much less at night. The session was ok. The room was super small and hot. Not sure if I would go back there though, but the prices were so low, so maybe jaja. Here are the latest prices and a photo of the waiting area.For comparison below are the price lists from 2023-12-08 (1 month ago) and from 2019-09-07. As you can see in 2019 they had 15 minutes option that was removed later LOL.
Dcrist0527
01-11-24, 00:13
Guys, I know one of the spas will send photos of who is working at the moment. The others are a gamble, you can't meet the lineup. Any of you cats get a masseuse blindly and chose to leave?Not sure it's helpful, but I'll tell you my experience. If frequent OM more than any. Important to note: I go there knowing it's a crapshoot and my mindset is, at a minimum, I'll get a quality massage. Beyond that, it's all negotiable and up to chance. Honestly, I haven't had the best luck drawing the hottest ladies. But I've not walked out. I suppose the numbers are in our favor with multiple options in Rio Sur. But I'll tell you that my best times there were with a girl that I didn't find particularly attractive. She wasn't ugly by any stretch. Just not my type. But I went with it, thinking I'll get a really good massage and go somewhere else. (Nice problem to have, right?) She turned out to be a top 10 in BBBJ. So you just never know. My point in all of that: I recommend going into those places with lower expectations.
Dcrist0527
01-11-24, 00:18
What is Parque Lleras like during the day in terms of looking for ladies? I will likely be staying somewhere close and I was curious what kind of working ladies I can expect to find during the day and what pricepoint I can expect. Also, still looking for recommendations on lodging. Finally locked my flights in place and I will be staying four nights. Checking in on a Friday night and checking out on a Tuesday. Any help / tips / recommendations are appreciated.During the day, Lleras is nearly a ghost town for working girls. You may find a few on Calle 10, but even that will be sparse. As a general rule, the later it is, the more options you'll have. I rarely go there before 9 or even 10 at night. Of course, the later you go, the more risk you have. But safe to say that you shouldn't count on Lleras as a hotbed during the day. The daytime options are casas or Centro unless you leverage facebook. I've heard many bad things about Mileroticos but I've had decent luck with it during the day.
For comparison below are the price lists from 2023-12-08 (1 month ago) and from 2019-09-07. As you can see in 2019 they had 15 minutes option that was removed later LOL.Cool how everyone is saying what a ripoff. Price went up 10,000 for the 30 minutes, over 3 or 4 years. Wait. That's almost two dollars and fifty cents, or maybe it is depending on the exchange rate. And somehow the lineup of 30 girls are now all ugly instead of beautiful. And all those gringos spoiling it. Terrible.
Here's some suggestions. First, go by yourself. Chances are you'll be the only gringo in there. And don't go right at business lunch hour as all the locals are having a sandwich at their desk and heading for a quickie at lunchtime. So yes, sometimes there is less choice as maybe some of the more beautiful ones are upstairs already. Who knows.
But all I know is that there are almost always some in the line up that I find attractive. The place is reasonable in comparison to other similar casas and worth the couple of bucks more as there are generally better rooms, more and better selection, and a predictable pricing structure with no surprises. And if a girl keeps you in the room longer than you might have planned that is sometimes a great thing. Anyway. Still works for me. Been in lots of the others, and this is still a favorite place for me as there is always something there and a good time to be had. Most of the time.
TexasPistol
01-11-24, 04:37
Colombians are also smarter that Filipinos. I like to tell the story about when I was at a resort in the Philippines. Me and my girl were in the pool and the worker came around to take dinner orders. I looked at the menu and did not fell like much so I asked for a grilled cheese. She said sorry sir, we do not have grilled cheese; we only have grilled ham and cheese.
Also, maybe he likes his women shaped like wooden planks. If that is the case then he will be in hog heaven.After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.
Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.
Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.
After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.
Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.
Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.I predict you will be disappointed looks-wise and if you are going to fly that far, go to Bangkok. Thailand was never colonized and that's why it's safer and has a more Eastern feel.
After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.
Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.
Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.I predict you will be disappointed looks-wise and if you are going to fly that far, go to Bangkok. Thailand was never colonized and that's why it's safer and has a more Eastern feel.
Thanks for the info I appreciate it. Could you give me some recommendations regarding Centro as well as any casas / spas you recommend. I've been following this page quite a bit so I have some ideas but like the old adage goes, "the more you know". LOL.
During the day, Lleras is nearly a ghost town for working girls. You may find a few on Calle 10, but even that will be sparse. As a general rule, the later it is, the more options you'll have. I rarely go there before 9 or even 10 at night. Of course, the later you go, the more risk you have. But safe to say that you shouldn't count on Lleras as a hotbed during the day. The daytime options are casas or Centro unless you leverage facebook. I've heard many bad things about Mileroticos but I've had decent luck with it during the day.
Mr Enternational
01-11-24, 06:00
I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.I am not talking about deep conversations. I am talking about common sense things that are going to frustrate the shit out of you.
QualitySmut
01-11-24, 07:03
Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?It's all over the board. I'm pretty sure if you search my post one of the more recent ones I answered this for someone.
Thinking about going to Medellin for the first time with a buddy. General plan is below. Does this seem reasonable? Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.
Base camp:
- Stay at a nice hotel in Parque Lleras within the barricades that has 24/7 security.
- Make sure hotel is chica friendly (Hotel Europa looks good).
- Be sure to tip security, so they'll check with me before letting out any chicas who're visiting.
Nighttime activities to be limited:
- Parque Lleras: walk around the area close to the park (supposedly that's reasonably safe at night).
- Any other areas (Luna Lunera, Fase II, etc): take Uber to / from destination (no walking the streets).
Daytime activities:
Veracruz:
- Stay in the busy area with lots of bars and restaurants.
- I've watched several videos and seems fine during the day as long you dress plainly and use common sense.
- Leave by 5 pm.
Gym:
- Bodytech Vizcaya looks like a good option. It's close by Parque Lleras.
Payments:
- Have lots of smaller bills.
- Use Google Pay when possible.
Banking:
- Withdraw USD and take to Medellin.
- Freeze accounts in the US while in Colombia.
- Either use hotel safe OR open a bank account at a local bank.
Not so common sense:
- Don't do stupid shit like going to a stranger's house for drinks, getting in a random car, or flashing large amounts of cash on the street.
- All citas either at a brothel / strip club or back at my hotel where there's 24/7 security.
Prime objective:
- Last but not least bang dozens of hot Colombian working girls!
Here's a recent video about how to setup a trip in Medellin. I'm sure that many of you already know everything in the video. However, I found it useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0v2E6i9tSo
I have much more experience in the other Centro casas than I do in New Life. I've been in New Life maybe twice since well before the pandemic. What you are describing is a big change from what I remember, especially about being the only gringo. I have a hard time with that idea no matter what time of day you go. It just doesn't seem real to me but again, I have next to no recent experience. I rate the rooms at Zandaly and Amigas Sexxy as good or better than what I remember from New Life. Aiffe probably has the worst rooms of the Centro casas overall, not to mention the worst lineup. If I'm honest, the sessions I've had at New Life were as good as any others in Centro. My problem with the place is the waiting area atmosphere. As I wrote recently, it feels like a bad combination of a frat party, an inner city urgent care waiting room, and a used car auction.
That now gone 15 minute option was the way to go for those in the know. Unless you are going for two pops there were not other good reasons to be in the room beyond that cutoff. As you mentioned, the place was and maybe still is popular with locals for lunch time quickies. It seems the management figured out they were leaving money on the table by allowing locals and cheapskate Centro rats like me to nut & run in 15 minutes for pocket change.
Cool how everyone is saying what a ripoff. Price went up 10,000 for the 30 minutes, over 3 or 4 years. Wait. That's almost two dollars and fifty cents, or maybe it is depending on the exchange rate. And somehow the lineup of 30 girls are now all ugly instead of beautiful. And all those gringos spoiling it. Terrible.
Here's some suggestions. First, go by yourself. Chances are you'll be the only gringo in there. And don't go right at business lunch hour as all the locals are having a sandwich at their desk and heading for a quickie at lunchtime. So yes, sometimes there is less choice as maybe some of the more beautiful ones are upstairs already. Who knows.
But all I know is that there are almost always some in the line up that I find attractive. The place is reasonable in comparison to other similar casas and worth the couple of bucks more as there are generally better rooms, more and better selection, and a predictable pricing structure with no surprises. And if a girl keeps you in the room longer than you might have planned that is sometimes a great thing. Anyway. Still works for me. Been in lots of the others, and this is still a favorite place for me as there is always something there and a good time to be had. Most of the time.
Clashmini92
01-11-24, 12:19
Going there from 18-25 Jan. Please PM / respond if anyone will be there at that time.
MarquisdeSade1
01-11-24, 14:34
"After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.
Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.
Of course I'll miss the drama of drugging, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow."
https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-embassy-warns-americans-not-use-dating-apps-colombia-after-eight-suspicious-deaths
Tropical beauties in GenSan LOLOLOL best wishes.
That place is a terrible place to look for pussy!
BTW I hope you speak Cebuano? Lololol.
SankarShetty
01-11-24, 15:34
Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.
In the past few years I have known more than a couple of hundred chicas from fb, Park lleras, WYP, SA, Bumble, clubs and various other online and in-person ways. At any given time I am in touch with at least twenty or thirty, the toast of the season or the trip in this case. It has become Russian roulette imagining who among the ones I know or invite to my place or to a club will sell my information and location or set me up for haircut or something even worse. Would it be the Andrea that occasionally likes 2 c and comes from Manrique, I have known Andrea for the past 4 years and has travelled with me to Santa Marta. Would it be the newbie chica I met yesterday and comes from a pueblo and recently moved to the city and not as exposed to gringo culture. What feature in someone's background should alert me?
Should I go back to staying only in hotels? Is it okay to just have a copy of cedula? What about if she recently lost it and only has a pic? Should I only use short term motels for first encounters? Should I have a cellphone jammer so a chica cannot communicate with her accomplices while in my apartment? Perhaps I should always stay only in building with porters and doormen? That restricts me to Laureles and useless Poblado. Medellin's drama for a dedicated monger is never ending.
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/
SankarShetty
01-11-24, 15:43
Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?RTFF the thread. This has been answered countless times.
It seems the management figured out they were leaving money on the table by allowing locals and cheapskate Centro rats like me to nut & run in 15 minutes for pocket change.Lmao jajajaja "nut & run" that is fucking awesome. Just grab a Chica from the Veracruz area and head to Botero Real and you're getting 30 mins for your 'nut and run' for $49 k COP all expenses included, even towel, soap bar, and a toilet paper roll.
Great read but how do you find girls to contact on FB? Is there a way to filter Medellin girls of a certain age to DM via FB?Read this post.
Find her on Facebook. ..
Thinking about going to Medellin for the first time with a buddy. General plan is below. Does this seem reasonable? Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.
Base camp:
- Stay at a nice hotel in Parque Lleras within the barricades that has 24/7 security.
- Make sure hotel is chica friendly (Hotel Europa looks good).
I don't know for sure as I do not go to parque lleras (or poblado for that matter) but I saw a video a few days ago where the new mayor Fico Gutierrez was saying that they removed (or will soon be removing) the barricades in parque lleras as well.
Let me see if I can find the video again. I believe it was a clip on YouTube.
I found it:
https://youtu.be/x_e0YyTOwPU?si=fB5Pjlfmn_wg0RyB
-Gabacho.
Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.
In the past few years I have known more than a couple of hundred chicas from fb, Park lleras, WYP, SA, Bumble, clubs and various other online and in-person ways. At any given time I am in touch with at least twenty or thirty, the toast of the season or the trip in this case. It has become Russian roulette imagining who among the ones I know or invite to my place or to a club will sell my information and location or set me up for haircut or something even worse. Would it be the Andrea that occasionally likes 2 c and comes from Manrique, I have known Andrea for the past 4 years and has travelled with me to Santa Marta. Would it be the newbie chica I met yesterday and comes from a pueblo and recently moved to the city and not as exposed to gringo culture. What feature in someone's background should alert me?
Should I go back to staying only in hotels? Is it okay to just have a copy of cedula? What about if she recently lost it and only has a pic? Should I only use short term motels for first encounters? Should I have a cellphone jammer so a chica cannot communicate with her accomplices while in my apartment? Perhaps I should always stay only in building with porters and doormen? That restricts me to Laureles and useless Poblado. Medellin's drama for a dedicated monger is never ending.
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/There is only one way to live and one rule to follow in your situation: WWRD, What Would Rambo Do if he were a sex tourist. How would he deal with bringing hookers over from tinder and FL from the street. We know the girls that are regulars are killing people now. How would Rambo handle all these situations are how you should.
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/
USA Embassy Bogota is aware of eight suspicious deaths of private USA Citizens in Medellin between November 1 and December 31,2023. The deaths appear to involve either involuntary drugging overdose or are suspected homicides. At this time, it is not believed these deaths are linked as each involved distinct circumstances, however several of the deaths point to possible drugging, robbery, and overdose, and several involve the use of online dating applications.
I have much more experience in the other Centro casas than I do in New Life. I've been in New Life maybe twice since well before the pandemic. What you are describing is a big change from what I remember, especially about being the only gringo. I have a hard time with that idea no matter what time of day you go. It just doesn't seem real to me but again, I have next to no recent experience. I rate the rooms at Zandaly and Amigas Sexxy as good or better than what I remember from New Life. Aiffe probably has the worst rooms of the Centro casas overall, not to mention the worst lineup. If I'm honest, the sessions I've had at New Life were as good as any others in Centro. My problem with the place is the waiting area atmosphere. As I wrote recently, it feels like a bad combination of a frat party, an inner city urgent care waiting room, and a used car auction.
That now gone 15 minute option was the way to go for those in the know. Unless you are going for two pops there were not other good reasons to be in the room beyond that cutoff. As you mentioned, the place was and maybe still is popular with locals for lunch time quickies. It seems the management figured out they were leaving money on the table by allowing locals and cheapskate Centro rats like me to nut & run in 15 minutes for pocket change.I have been there more times when there were no gringos than when there were. Maybe the time of day, not sure. But anyway, the vast vast majority of their business is locals. I've been there at 11:30 in the morning when there have been over 20 chicas, and by 12:15 or so most of them are in the rooms with customers. Locals. In any case, I think that there pricing has nothing to do with gringos, and everything to do with the local supply / demand and their competition, most of which are much smaller and have fewer chicas, but are sometimes cheaper, and some of the places are nice enough. The place that used to be my favorite didn't get through covid times, but it was smaller, but usually had at least one chica that would be appealing enough.
My long lost favorite was Paradise on calle 54 near the corner of carrera 41. Maybe that's the one you mean. They re-opened for something like two weeks toward the end of the pandemic before they shut down for good. That place was a reliable Centro gem. Another defunct star is Divini women. Two of the mamasan's daughters worked there (they both used to rotate between Aiffe and Amigas Sexxy before the started up Divini). It is still the only place I remember in Medellin that had buy 10 and get one free punch cards like an old school car wash. Five years later I'm still miffed I had to leave town before I could redeem my loyalty card and they were gone by the time I got back.
I have been there more times when there were no gringos than when there were. Maybe the time of day, not sure. But anyway, the vast vast majority of their business is locals. I've been there at 11:30 in the morning when there have been over 20 chicas, and by 12:15 or so most of them are in the rooms with customers. Locals. In any case, I think that there pricing has nothing to do with gringos, and everything to do with the local supply / demand and their competition, most of which are much smaller and have fewer chicas, but are sometimes cheaper, and some of the places are nice enough. The place that used to be my favorite didn't get through covid times, but it was smaller, but usually had at least one chica that would be appealing enough.
There have been slightly different versions of this same warning on the State Department travel advisory section for Colombia going all the way back to the 1990's. That doesn't make it untrue.
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/
USA Embassy Bogota is aware of eight suspicious deaths of private USA Citizens in Medellin between November 1 and December 31,2023. The deaths appear to involve either involuntary drugging overdose or are suspected homicides. At this time, it is not believed these deaths are linked as each involved distinct circumstances, however several of the deaths point to possible drugging, robbery, and overdose, and several involve the use of online dating applications.
There are buildings with doormen in every barrio of Medellin. You would be in no way restricted to gringo neighborhoods if you were to adopt that policy. My opinion is it does enhance safety.
Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.
In the past few years I have known more than a couple of hundred chicas from fb, Park lleras, WYP, SA, Bumble, clubs and various other online and in-person ways. At any given time I am in touch with at least twenty or thirty, the toast of the season or the trip in this case. It has become Russian roulette imagining who among the ones I know or invite to my place or to a club will sell my information and location or set me up for haircut or something even worse. Would it be the Andrea that occasionally likes 2 c and comes from Manrique, I have known Andrea for the past 4 years and has travelled with me to Santa Marta. Would it be the newbie chica I met yesterday and comes from a pueblo and recently moved to the city and not as exposed to gringo culture. What feature in someone's background should alert me?
Should I go back to staying only in hotels? Is it okay to just have a copy of cedula? What about if she recently lost it and only has a pic? Should I only use short term motels for first encounters? Should I have a cellphone jammer so a chica cannot communicate with her accomplices while in my apartment? Perhaps I should always stay only in building with porters and doormen? That restricts me to Laureles and useless Poblado. Medellin's drama for a dedicated monger is never ending.
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/
I didn't watch the youtube video. I see no problems with the plan you worked out. You are likely aware of the additional tips of being vigilant about your drinks and food and securing and / or hiding your valuables.
Thinking about going to Medellin for the first time with a buddy. General plan is below. Does this seem reasonable? Am I missing anything? Thanks in advance.
Base camp:
- Stay at a nice hotel in Parque Lleras within the barricades that has 24/7 security.
- Make sure hotel is chica friendly (Hotel Europa looks good).
Best thing about the New Life is their system -- go in, spend however long you want, then pay afterwards, don't have to decide the time and pay at the beginning like most casas.
You can extend at other casas. You don't pay up front anyway. The reasons the management asks how much time you want is so they can let other punters know how long they have to wait in case you are with a girl they came to see when they arrive. Of course it's first come first serve. New Life does it a bit differently because, as has been discussed today, they tend to have more girls in their lineup than the other places in Centro. When in doubt, just let the management know you may choose to extend.
Best thing about the New Life is their system -- go in, spend however long you want, then pay afterwards, don't have to decide the time and pay at the beginning like most casas.
Best thing about the New Life is their system -- go in, spend however long you want, then pay afterwards, don't have to decide the time and pay at the beginning like most casas.I'm not much of a casa guy but that does sound like a good system. Maybe I'll go check it out one of these days.
MarquisdeSade1
01-12-24, 02:09
https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/drunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17050105952736&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F www.google.com&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fwww.businessinsider.com%2 Fdrunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1.
Had he made it to MDE he would probably be in the morgue by now.
Any recent reviews to share of Energy in Laureles?
What happened?
https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.businessinsider.com/drunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1?amp=&_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17050105952736&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F www.google.com&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fwww.businessinsider.com%2 Fdrunk-passenger-grabbed-flight-attendant-mile-high-club-spirit-airlines-2024-1.
Had he made it to MDE he would probably be in the morgue by now.
SherlockBones
01-12-24, 16:26
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/
USA Embassy Bogota is aware of eight suspicious deaths of private USA Citizens in Medellin between November 1 and December 31,2023. The deaths appear to involve either involuntary drugging overdose or are suspected homicides. At this time, it is not believed these deaths are linked as each involved distinct circumstances, however several of the deaths point to possible drugging, robbery, and overdose, and several involve the use of online dating applications.As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well. Chica Check is offering 48 hours of free VIP access if you use the code 999101845 during sign up.
Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.
As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well.
Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.For the average man of the western world, dating and marriage are becoming unthinkable in his own country. I read stats of 2023 that 40% men from 18 to 30 have completely stopped seeking women for sex in the west. Not marriage but sex.
As long as we are calling each other names and sharing marketing promotions, do you have a line on discount Trojan Magnum condoms and Astro Glide lube? I can't seem to live without US brands.
As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well. Chica Check is offering 48 hours of free VIP access if you use the code 999101845 during sign up.
Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.
Any thoughts for or against the Hashtag 98 hotel? Not sure if they allow ladies to visit for free or what they charge. Rooms look decent. I wouldn't mind finding a place that has a suite like setup (fridge, couch, etc.) for a decent price. Any recommendations?
I didn't watch the youtube video. I see no problems with the plan you worked out. You are likely aware of the additional tips of being vigilant about your drinks and food and securing and / or hiding your valuables.Don't use US dollars. If you bring them with you it's easy to get them changed to pesos and will save you money in most cases.
My long lost favorite was Paradise on calle 54 near the corner of carrera 41. Maybe that's the one you mean. They re-opened for something like two weeks toward the end of the pandemic before they shut down for good. That place was a reliable Centro gem. Another defunct star is Divini women. Two of the mamasan's daughters worked there (they both used to rotate between Aiffe and Amigas Sexxy before the started up Divini). It is still the only place I remember in Medellin that had buy 10 and get one free punch cards like an old school car wash. Five years later I'm still miffed I had to leave town before I could redeem my loyalty card and they were gone by the time I got back.Paradise it was. Also had another name at some point, but it was my fav.
As more foreign men (passport bros) travel to Medellin, we should expect to see an increase in crimes against foreigners as well. Chica Check is offering 48 hours of free VIP access if you use the code 999101845 during sign up.
Seriously, given the sophistication of these crime rings, it feels like I need to continuously increase my situational awareness to stay out of danger.The problem is dating is maximum effort minimum reward. Prostitution is minimum effort maximum reward. As more guys travel and monger, marriage and dating will be obsolete. I've been with around 200 women. The amount of work I would have had to put in to close that many deals would have been insane, and I still wouldn't have accomplished 200 women.
TexasPistol
01-13-24, 05:59
For the average man of the western world, dating and marriage are becoming unthinkable in his own country. I read stats of 2023 that 40% men from 18 to 30 have completely stopped seeking women for sex in the west. Not marriage but sex.Amen to that. This is why some people are getting rich on onlyfans. It's safe and convenient. And then there is sex tourism.
I think this is something like what unions did to US industry. Workers kept demanding more and more, which is fine you can demand whatever you want, but then one day the factory moves to China or Mexico.
I predict that fastest growing companies of the next decade will be those manufacturing cat food. Cats are the only hope for lonely women everywhere.
SankarShetty
01-13-24, 06:59
But the vas majority of buildings with doormen are probably located in the barrios I mentioned. It does enhance safety I agree but I have lately ventured in to la América, BA and Belen type barrios and mostly independent homes or buildings. I would have to go back and specifically look for doorman or budling security before renting now.
There are buildings with doormen in every barrio of Medellin. You would be in no way restricted to gringo neighborhoods if you were to adopt that policy. My opinion is it does enhance safety.
I didn't watch the youtube video. I see no problems with the plan you worked out. You are likely aware of the additional tips of being vigilant about your drinks and food and securing and / or hiding your valuables.Thanks for the feedback. Very much aware of being vigilant against getting drugged. Don't plan on bringing anything valuable like laptops or a new phone.
Don't use US dollars. If you bring them with you it's easy to get them changed to pesos and will save you money in most cases.Thanks for the tip. I'll change my USD into Colombian pesos. Will get a large number of medium to small bills, so I won't be dropping large notes when paying for stuff out in public.
I think it's good you are experiencing more of the city. I agree you should look for buildings with a doorman and all other amenities you want or need. I personally won't live in a building without a doorman. As you discover more of the city it will be come clear that the vast majority of buildings (including those with doormen) are definitely not in the two neighborhoods you mentioned. Medellin is more diverse than it appears through the lens of areas most familiar to gringos.
But the vas majority of buildings with doormen are probably located in the barrios I mentioned. It does enhance safety I agree but I have lately ventured in to la Amrica, BA and Belen type barrios and mostly independent homes or buildings. I would have to go back and specifically look for doorman or budling security before renting now.
Thanks for the feedback. Very much aware of being vigilant against getting drugged. Don't plan on bringing anything valuable like laptops or a new phone.
Thanks for the tip. I'll change my USD into Colombian pesos. Will get a large number of medium to small bills, so I won't be dropping large notes when paying for stuff out in public.My suggestion is to open a Morgan Stanley or Charles Schwab account with an ATM card. Both banks reimburse ATM fees.
For the average man of the western world, dating and marriage are becoming unthinkable in his own country. I read stats of 2023 that 40% men from 18 to 30 have completely stopped seeking women for sex in the west. Not marriage but sex.For me it's more like, if you save up the money and don't need to work or at least can work from home, why stay in the US? So many beautiful places in the world that aren't dealing with wokeism and for half the cost. Go for the girls, sure, but stay for everything else. Cheap travel, services, food, housing. Although I still want to end up living in the US later, right now it just doesn't make sense.
The problem is dating is maximum effort minimum reward. Prostitution is minimum effort maximum reward. As more guys travel and monger, marriage and dating will be obsolete. I've been with around 200 women. The amount of work I would have had to put in to close that many deals would have been insane, and I still wouldn't have accomplished 200 women.I don't know many people who get married just to have sex. If you get married, you're wanting companionship and a familiy for life.
Just went to new life around noon.
At least 15 in the lineup. Highest rated I'the say 6. 5-7 but definitely enough good looking girls to get the job done. 70 mil 30 minutes. Can't beat that. Chose Celeste great service. No extras for me but offered 50 mil for oral natural. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.
I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?
Just went to new life around noon.
At least 15 in the lineup. Highest rated I'the say 6. 5-7 but definitely enough good looking girls to get the job done. 70 mil 30 minutes. Can't beat that. Chose Celeste great service. No extras for me but offered 50 mil for oral natural. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.
TexasPistol
01-14-24, 04:17
Understanding that risky behavior's is a personal choice. The spate of recent robberies, kidnappings and murders seems to be without much parallel in recent times.
I am getting a bad feeling about Colombia. It's too much stress. I don"t need that on vacation. I was there for two weeks in November, it was fine, I marked it off the bucket list however I think Philippines is the new Colombia. I've booked a really nice airbnb for August.
Mr Enternational
01-14-24, 05:05
The problem is dating is maximum effort minimum reward. Prostitution is minimum effort maximum reward. As more guys travel and monger, marriage and dating will be obsolete. I've been with around 200 women. The amount of work I would have had to put in to close that many deals would have been insane, and I still wouldn't have accomplished 200 women.What maximum effort? All you have to do is be yourself. You must be really young. I had been with 200 free women by the time I had left college. I did not start mongering until 7 years after that.
Mr Enternational
01-14-24, 05:09
Just went to new life around noon. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.I sure hope they knew they're from their while they were over there.
New Life is Centro's own Gringo Gulch bubble. The 50 K upsell pitch is proof positive. 30 K is the prevailing rate around Centro but no hate for the girls charging what the gringo market will bear.
Just went to new life around noon.
At least 15 in the lineup. Highest rated I'the say 6. 5-7 but definitely enough good looking girls to get the job done. 70 mil 30 minutes. Can't beat that. Chose Celeste great service. No extras for me but offered 50 mil for oral natural. Bunch of loud as hell black Americans just hanging out in the lobby like their at a sports bar.
I think Philippines is the new ColombiaIf you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.
I am getting a bad feeling about Colombia. It's too much stress. I don"t need that on vacation. I was there for two weeks in November, it was fine, I marked it off the bucket list however I think Philippines is the new Colombia. I've booked a really nice airbnb for August.But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too.
Mr Enternational
01-14-24, 16:56
I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?For some reason guys like to mix in Spanish words (mil, chica, mas taxi) in their English reports. Mil is Spanish for thousand.
But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too.The Philippines isn't necessarily safer than Colombia. I just watched this movie called Plane about an airplane that crash landed in the southern Philippines on some island called Jolo and the passengers were taken hostage by an armed militia group. I then went to Wikipedia to see if this Jolo Island is a real place or if the movie just made it up and according to Wikipedia it is a real place and it is controlled by armed Islamic Separatist and even the Philippine military doesn't go to that island.
So Texas Pete, whatever you do while in the Philippines do not go to Jolo Island LOL. And you might want to do some research and see where all these Islamic separatist groups operate within the Philippines before you go off to any random pueblos or islands.
I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?50 mil pesos is exactly what it is.
You can see from this picture I just took for you that the money literally says 50 mil pesos on it. It's the 2nd highest bill in the COP currency and used to be worth about $10 usd and it is currently worth $12.50 usd.
If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.Yeah, like New Orleans in July. Uggga Muggga.
If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.If Philippines is the new Colombia then Detroit is the new Miami. LOL. I tripped over better looking women in Colombia.
For me it's more like, if you save up the money and don't need to work or at least can work from home, why stay in the US? .....This is true but when you reach a certain age there are factors that make it difficult for you to leave not the least of which are infirm parents such that when you are abroad you feel guilty.
This is true but when you reach a certain age there are factors that make it difficult for you to leave not the least of which are infirm parents such that when you are abroad you feel guilty.Inform your parents LOL?? Most the members here on ISG are in their 60's and the parents are most likely deceased. There's a few of us in our 30's 40's or 50's but the vast majority of the guys who post on here are Social Security age LOL.
I was there for two weeks in November, it was fine, I marked it off the bucket list however I think Philippines is the new Colombia. I've booked a really nice airbnb for August.Sorry I had to say something, the Philippines is hardly the new Colombia. People have been mongering there for decades, if anything Colombia is the new SE Asia. SE Asia was the first and foremost place for people to pay for sex, esp Thailand & Philippines, and arguably way past its prime (which is what Medellin will probably be in another 2 or 3 years at most). Anyways in regards to the current debate of Colombia vs Phils, it's much cheaper and more convenient to monger in Medellin. I've been to both cities many times in the past few years. It's pretty rare to have sex with a girl in Manila for 100,000 colombian pesos. You're looking at 3500 PHP barfine and another 4500 PHP, plus probably more for lady drinks so around 150 USD. Sure you can probably find a girl on Pinalove for less, but good luck weeding through the scams and ladyboys and actually getting the girl to come over on time. Anyways just go pop in the Manila forum and you'll see. The girls are hotter in Colombia IMHO, but to be fair the girls are more GFE in Manila and they speak english. Also Medellin is a much nicer city in general (cleaner, more beautiful, better weather, less traffic, better nightlife) than Manila, even if it is slightly more "dangerous".
Quick side note: Ordered a girl off of mileroticos for domicilios, she's cute, nice although found out she was a vennie, great BBBJ and beso negro, but during sex she had the worst yeast infection. Good thing I was wearing a rubber, but a few minutes into missionary there was cottage cheese everywhere. You could tell she was embarrassed and even stopped in the middle to go shower again and change condoms. Anyways switched to doggie after the halftime cleanup and it was a bit better and I tried to finish sooner than usual. So what would you guys do in that situation? Chalk it up to the game? Or ask for some kind of discount? It's a shame because she was cute and had great service, but she also had a crazy scar on the outside of her left leg from ankle to hip, probably a moto accident or something. If you want to find her on mileroticos just seach for sara in medellin and she's the only ad that says she's 18 years old and with the photo of a pink tail plug. In retrospect I should have only done anal with her and skipped the vag to avoid the yeast situation but 20 20 hindsight and all.
Every place has its pluses and minuses. If we are talking about 15 to 30 days per year for visits, my opinion is it is worth considering the entire day of your life you must sacrifice for round trip travel from Europe or North America to Asia, and that is on top of the 1 to 3 days that it takes to be 100% because of the jet lag. I don't personally feel that is worthwhile unless I'm going to be there for months at a time. This is only a personal preference.
But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too.
I am traveling in late March and I'd like to lock in my lodging. I am looking at a few places and I am trying to decide the pro's and con's of staying close to Parque Lleras or not. Not looking to hit the bars or clubs etc. Strictly going down to enjoy as many ladies as possible and want to maximize my time doing so. Knowing that, do you all think it's worth staying close to Parque Lleras? With the low cost of uber I don't feel like I need to be in walking distance of anything in particular. I plan on splitting my time between casas, massage parlors, and places like New Life and Jade Palace.
In terms of what I am looking for in my lodging, I am looking for a place that has no fee or a low fee for visitors so I can bring some back to my place. I'd also like a place that has a suite type setup since I will be there for several days and want that apartment kind of feel. I'm looking to keep it in $150 or less per night range but I am willing to go a tad higher.
Thanks in advance for all the tips / recommendations. Stay safe out there!
I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?There's nothing in Colombia you can buy for 50 pesos. 50 mil pesos will get you a nice dinner though. Mil is simply "thousand" and un millóand is "one million". 50,000 pesos is 50 mil.
TexasPistol
01-15-24, 01:23
If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.I'm not going to write much more about this here because it maybe more appropriate for the Philippines forum after my trip.
I have had several online "relationships" including video chats with filipinas who, according to my taste, were 100% as hot as anyone I saw in Medellin. I'm not worried about that. They may however be more shy and less wild in bed. That may be a minus. I"ll have investigate in person.
The climate sounds terrible. I'm going to aim for very good air conditioning.
However in terms of crime the possibilty of anything worse than pickpocketing seems to be almost nil. That sounds good considering the deteriorating situation in Medellin. I think that tips the scales for me.
I am traveling in late March and I'd like to lock in my lodging. I am looking at a few places and I am trying to decide the pro's and con's of staying close to Parque Lleras or not. Not looking to hit the bars or clubs etc. Strictly going down to enjoy as many ladies as possible and want to maximize my time doing so. Knowing that, do you all think it's worth staying close to Parque Lleras? With the low cost of uber I don't feel like I need to be in walking distance of anything in particular. I plan on splitting my time between casas, massage parlors, and places like New Life and Jade Palace.
In terms of what I am looking for in my lodging, I am looking for a place that has no fee or a low fee for visitors so I can bring some back to my place. I'd also like a place that has a suite type setup since I will be there for several days and want that apartment kind of feel. I'm looking to keep it in $150 or less per night range but I am willing to go a tad higher.
Thanks in advance for all the tips / recommendations. Stay safe out there!
I'm not going to write much more about this here because it maybe more appropriate for the Philippines forum after my trip.
I have had several online "relationships" including video chats with filipinas who, according to my taste, were 100% as hot as anyone I saw in Medellin. I'm not worried about that. They may however be more shy and less wild in bed. That may be a minus. I"ll have investigate in person.
The climate sounds terrible. I'm going to aim for very good air conditioning.
However in terms of crime the possibilty of anything worse than pickpocketing seems to be almost nil. That sounds good considering the deteriorating situation in Medellin. I think that tips the scales for me."Deteriorating situation in Medellin".
You my friend, Texas Pete, are delusional. Medellin isn't any more or any less dangerous than it has been since before the pandemic. It was actually much more dangerous in the 1990's than anything being experienced here today.
Like I said before you can't just come here for a few days (or even two weeks) and visit a few Casas and then proclaim yourself to be a Medellin expert.
Quite frankly you do not have the experience here in Colombia to even know anything about Medellin. You need to come atleast 10 trips to get a feel for the area. I've been here on and off for years and before that I was in Mexico for a number of years. So I know more about the cultura & LOS costumbres here in Latin America. And from what I have seen here, Medellin is not anymore dangerous than Tijuana or Mexico City.
The Scopolamine or benzos might be more of a Medellin thing but you can easily avoid being drugged by taking simple precautions to mitigate your risks. Anyways sorry you didn't like my city or even really give it a chance, maybe you will find better luck in the Philippines.
Magandang Gabi,
-Gabacho.
I see some prices quoted as "mil" on here and I am not sure how to translate that. Obviously it's not 50 mil COP. What does that abbreviation translate to in comparison of say 100,000 COP?It is 50 mil COP. 100,000 is 100 mil.
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-24, 02:04
"But Phillipines has bad food, bad water, bad internet and bad cellular service so it's safer there but has some disavantage too. ".
Are you implying Colombia has better food, better water, better internet and better cellular?
I would strongly disagree on every point.
I starved and lost 25 pounds my last trip to Colombia in summer / autumn 2023, I just rather not eat that slop they call food!!
I gain weight when in PI, just walk 2 blocks to SM Clark / food court in AC and there are at least 100 restaurants with anything you could possibly want.
If you like scrawny, buck toothed, chinless women and endless humidity, it will be perfect for you.Don't forget Tittyless and Assless too LOL.
Lucky Nuts
01-15-24, 02:28
https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/
This was the lead story on the local news this evening. The headline flashed back and forth from Citas Que Matan to Alerta de Estados Unidos. It was several minutes long with video as you can imagine.
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-24, 03:28
"https://co.usembassy.gov/security-alert-risks-of-using-online-dating-applications/.
This was the lead story on the local news this evening. The headline flashed back and forth from Citas Que Matan to Alerta de Estados Unidos. It was several minutes long with video as you can imagine. ".
The last thing anyone should want is this to be shown to the wider news audience.
Any criminals that don't already know about it, will be jumping on the bandwagon.
AS MONKEYS SEE MONKEYS DO!!
Update.
I think I've narrowed my list down to the following:
Blues Suites.
Hashtag 98.
The Sonos Bold.
Hotel Dix.
Any thoughts? Or others I should consider?
I am traveling in late March and I'd like to lock in my lodging. I am looking at a few places and I am trying to decide the pro's and con's of staying close to Parque Lleras or not. Not looking to hit the bars or clubs etc. Strictly going down to enjoy as many ladies as possible and want to maximize my time doing so. Knowing that, do you all think it's worth staying close to Parque Lleras? With the low cost of uber I don't feel like I need to be in walking distance of anything in particular. I plan on splitting my time between casas, massage parlors, and places like New Life and Jade Palace.
In terms of what I am looking for in my lodging, I am looking for a place that has no fee or a low fee for visitors so I can bring some back to my place. I'd also like a place that has a suite type setup since I will be there for several days and want that apartment kind of feel. I'm looking to keep it in $150 or less per night range but I am willing to go a tad higher.
Thanks in advance for all the tips / recommendations. Stay safe out there!
ElSexoChino7
01-15-24, 06:04
After much soul searching, I have decided to leave the passionate and beautiful girls of Medellin behind and cross the Pacific to seek the exotic tropical beauties of General Santos City. It sounds safe compared to Medellin, free of white tourists and full of girls who like white tourists.
Two years ago I was planning a trip there but it had to be cancelled due to COVID. I became penpals with a girl on Filipino Cupid. She was desperate to meet me. I think we agreed to $50 per day. We did video chat but I never met her. She was 20, no baby, spoke English and I think that in appearance and attitude she was equal to most Colombians. About intelligence, I'm not really interested in any deep conversations.
Of course I'll miss the drama of druggings, shootings and kidnappings which are the spice of life in Medellin. But I'll manage somehow.I visited Manila, Philippines back in 2018 and stayed at Makati city. I'd say the city itself is really nice. I saw a bunch of Americans and expats with their Filipina sugar babies or wife. The city is big and has lots to offer for foreigners, entertainment and red light districts. Manila is also the center of college universities, so I saw a lot of college girls commuting everyday to go to school.
Comparing to the quality of girls to Colombia, I would say Philippines does not stand a chance. During my stay there, I can generally rate the women from 4-6 just being in the public areas like malls, parks and restaurants. Red light districts you'll see 5-7 at most. The 8 and 9's exist but you don't see them often as much like in Colombia.
The food and gastronomy is amazing so many options like Colombia. Weather is very tropical. There's only dry season and rainy season. I did not like the humidity there in summer times.
I went to one of the High end Karaoke bars there called "Air Force 1". I was impressed and saw a good amount of working girls ranging from 7-9. I picked a 20 yr old petite Filipina girl which I consider 9 in my scale. Very hot, banging body, pretty face, pair of see's and all natural ass. Surgeries is not common in working girls there, unlike in Colombia. I paid the bar fine to take her out with me. Took her to one of the motels nearby. I spent 15 k pesos ($268 USD). Gave me amazing sex and GFE. She stayed with me for 3 hours. I asked for her number and see her for another date. She told me that out of 15 k that I paid at the Karaoke bar she only gets 8 k pesos ($143 USD) and the rest goes to the bar. It would have been cheaper, if I just fuck her there, as they also have rooms that you can rent. But I found this out after I see her on the 2nd date. The mamasan was pushing me to take her out that night as they knew that it was my first time going there and so they can get more money out of me LOL. We kept in touch even after I came back to the US, added her on Facebook, but after few weeks, she started telling me that she needed money because her mom has been admitted to the hospital for dengue fever. I did not believe the BS and she ended up blocking me LOL.
I also tried one of the massage spa I found on Google (there's many of them). I could not remember the name of the spa. I picked the one that has lots of good reviews. I Uber to the spa. Gave me a lineup of 7 girls. I saw 2 that looked 8 on my scale, picked the one that looks younger than the other. She gave me an excellent massage with a mixed of teasing. CFS for happy ending. 1 hour session costed me 5 k pesos ($89 USD) that time.
Safety is not an issue there compared to Colombia, I did not have to worry about getting drugged, kidnap or rob. Although I couldn't say the same on the poorer parts of that city. Filipino people are very friendly and hospitable. Almost everyone speak English and it's considered as the 2nd language there so you don't have to worry about communicating to the locals.
I did not know ISG that time. I would have been prepared and got lots of Intel before going there. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of info you can get on the Philippines thread section.
QualitySmut
01-15-24, 14:55
Intro: it was my second night in Medellin. I Invited Betty to my room. She was able black girl. Skinny maybe 5 ft 5. I would rate her 7 if you really like petite women a 7. 5.
I'm going to do a speed run through my last trip so I can post about the one I'm currently on.
Betty: black girl, about 5 ft5. I would rate her 7 if you really like petite women a 7. 5.
Chrissy: light skinned about 5 ft6. I'd rate her a 7. She had big ass tits and she was thick almost chubby but she wore it well.
Night 2: met up with Betty gave her some meat and 200.000 pesos. Bbj sex a little kissing. Highlight. Was her attitude she may have never said no.
Night 3: I met with Chrissy gave her some meat 300.000 pesos. I really wanted to get to her tits and she negotiated so I said yes. Bbj sex a little kissing I always negotiate for three hours of time together. I usually also at least get them rappi. Highlight. She also had a good attitude she always refers to me as king or daddy and she gave me an boobjob without asking.
Day:4 I went to a casa. I got a listing off one of the prepago sites. It was a place the offering services I haven't experienced. I got a manicure and pedicure and manscaped and a bbj. I forget the price maybe like 450.000.
Night 5: Betty came back but she spent the night. Gave her like 2 rounds at night and work up for one. I gave her 200.000.
Day 6: Went to Guatap it's a nearby city. I took Chrissy. It was a double date situation. Before we had a round. I remember because it was the first bit of rawdogging that I did. I don't think I initiated sex with her since the first time all the others including this time. She strongly instigated. Like it would have been rude to turn down the Kittty the way it was being thrown at me. That night we went again. It obviously wasn't enough because she woke me up at like 3 am riding my dick bareback. I gave her less pesos I forgot what we negotiated but I didn't pay her 300.000 and take her on a trip. Highlight - 17 dollar to Mohawk steak.
Day7: linked up with Betty and her friend. Her friends are basically twins the friend was a tas shorter and wore her natural hair. We went to love hotel. All the other chicas came to my place but my max visitor count was 1. This was a fun night we had a party of 3 in the room. The friend got 250.00, Betty got 200.000. Betty also wanted to stay the night again.
Highlight: get sucked off by two girls in a jacuzzi.
All these are Facebook girls. All accepted the same rules just slightly different prices.
Inform your parents LOL?? Most the members here on ISG are in their 60's and the parents are most likely deceased. There's a few of us in our 30's 40's or 50's but the vast majority of the guys who post on here are Social Security age LOL.Yep, my parents are in their 90's and infirm.
& LOS costumbresLAS costumbres. Did you capitalize it to call attention to it being wrong?
Mr Enternational
01-15-24, 16:17
LAS costumbres. Did you capitalize it to call attention to it being wrong?The software automatically does that for Thailand Land of Smiles.
LAS costumbres. Did you capitalize it to call attention to it being wrong?My bad, las costumbres. And no I didn't capitalize it, ISG did that automatically. Have you gotten the hotels to repaint their doors from Hale to Jale yet?
I swear I have one letter wrong and you feel the need to correct me LOL.
Dcrist0527
01-15-24, 18:18
Update.
I think I've narrowed my list down to the following:
Blues Suites.
Hashtag 98.
The Sonos Bold.
Hotel Dix.
Any thoughts? Or others I should consider?If you don't plan on frequenting the bars, Lleras area hotels are less attractive. I think you'll get more for your money elsewhere because, like you said, Uber is inexpensive. One last thing to consider. Are you going to be out looking after 9 PM? There are probably more than 100 girls available in Lleras and on Calle 10. There are pros and cons. But as far as selection, unless you are going to La Isla, Fase Dos, it's difficult to find a wider selection. But even then, those girls have no problem going to your hotel elsewhere. It might cost you an extra 20 k uber when you send her home. (Or more likely back to Lleras. LOL).
TexasPistol
01-15-24, 18:35
"Deteriorating situation in Medellin".
You my friend, Texas Pete, are delusional. Medellin isn't any more or any less dangerous than it has been since before the pandemic. It was actually much more dangerous in the 1990's than anything being experienced here today.This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?
TexasPistol
01-15-24, 18:45
I visited Manila, Philippines back in 2018 and stayed at Makati city. I picked a 20 yr old petite Filipina girl which I consider 9 in my scale. Very hot, banging body, pretty face, pair of see's and all natural ass. Surgeries is not common in working girls there, unlike in Colombia. I paid the bar fine to take her out with me. Took her to one of the motels nearby. I spent 15 k pesos ($268 USD). My plan is to go General Santos City (it's about a $100 round trip plane ride from Manila) after setting up some dates in advance through Filipino Cupid. I've already rented an apparently nice airbnb.
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/970344118624617220
I think that I can get a beautiful 20 year old to stay with me for about $50 per day. (And "beauty" is subjective. I mean that in my personal opinion she is beautiful.) That's compared to about $65 per hour in Medellin. However of course the proof is in the pudding. I've can't definitely know until I actually go there and see what the reality is on the ground.
This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?Well good luck to you in the Philippines.
Dcrist0527
01-15-24, 20:58
This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?That's a fair quesion. And you've obviously made your choice. My opinion, you've weighed the pros & cons and measured your risk profile and made the right decision for you. But that doesn't mean there's a one size fits all solution. I strongly considered Thailand for my next trip. Other than the ridiculously long trip, the final straw for me was the beauty. Generally speaking, I find paisas far more attractive than the Thai women. That's my opinion and led me to the right decision for me.
The risks are real. And quite frankly, my methods put me at risk. But having visited MDE more than a dozen times and spent cumulatively many months with boots on the ground, I'm comfortable I know the risks and can take common sense steps to mitigate the risks. Until those risks are too cumbersome or interfere with the ability to relax and enjoy the trip, Colombia wins out easily. But again, that's my calculation, not a solution for everyone. It's a common issue on this board but you clearly (and eloquently) explained your position. That doesn't mean everyone must agree with it.
Any thoughts for or against AirBNB? Prices seem good and it seems nice to not have to deal with visitor fees etc. When bringing ladies back to have some fun.
Mr Enternational
01-15-24, 22:56
My plan is to go General Santos CityDude you are going to be bored as fuck!
You made a fair point about differing opinions about Medellin safety. The same could be said about any topic including which girl is a 10 and how do you fry a turkey. What for me is much less reasonable is the amount of traffic in the Medellin group from people who say they have turned their backs on Medellin for whatever reason. You guys, I respect your decision. Now it's time to move on to greener pastures. Best of luck, any of us interested in keeping up with how you fare can go to the Philippines group or wherever else you guys feel the grass is greener. You are all right, no need to carry on trying to convince.
This is something about which everyone seems to have a different opinion: crime in Medellin. On the web you get opinions varying from "It's no worse than the US. " to "It's a war zone. " Many people write long lists of safety measures noting that if you let your guard down for a minute, you are doomed. My feeling is "Why risk it if there are other definitely safer options with similar quality and prices?
Dcrist0527
01-16-24, 01:42
Any thoughts for or against AirBNB? Prices seem good and it seems nice to not have to deal with visitor fees etc. When bringing ladies back to have some fun.Plenty of options. Only two things to consider, in my opinion:
1. Are they girl friendly? A lot are not. And I've heard and seen stories of gringos kicked out of their place if they get caught. So I'd be sure to ask before I book.
2. Is there a doorman? For me, that's a must. And I'd encourage a small tip at the beginning of your stay. You want him to be a friend, for multiple reasons.
TraveLight
01-16-24, 02:11
Hello everyone,
Long time lurker, first time poster. I am planning a trip to Medellin in early February. I've been RTFF here and appreciate all the information left here by all of you. If anyone will be available around this time, please let me know (PM), I'm good for a meal, at least. I'm looking forward to contribute my own experiences in the near future.
I would say they are basically equivalent. The risk of getting drugged and / or robbed is proportional to your level of common sense. You won't get drugged like in a movie. You get drugged when someone puts something in your drink. Are you coming here to drink? I would seriously suggest you drink in the Sport's bar at San Peter with your homies. You should never be drinking with a girl in your hotel room or Air be-and-be. It will require you to be incredibly vigilant and suspicious all the time which surely will detract from your experience.
If you are smart enough to not drink with the girls and if you go to a strip bar, drink water with a screw top cap that you can keep with you at all times. If you do those things you aren't going to get drugged. .All good suggestions though very much fun inhibiting for many, while there's no absolute formula that 100% prevents druggings in Colombia, and all a guy needs to do is slip once. It also comes back to my suggestion to use Love Motels for fun.
As far as getting robbed. Are you smart enough to keep everything of value in your safe? Or a locked up suitcase? Are you secure enough to leave your bling at home? Are you smart enough to NOT pull our your expensive cell phone every time it buzzes or chimes. Duck into a coffee shop or bakery to check your messages, if you must. Stay away from empty deserted streets. Cabs are cheap, really cheap. Cabs aren't preferable at this time because of increasing reports of rogues. They can be involved in a variety of crimes. Use Ubers whenever possible as it leaves a paper trail. This is actually old news.
Also, though hiding your phone or leaving the jewelry at home helps, it won't always save you from a violent street robbery while kidnappings presently can hardly be ruled out. Regardless be assured that the Colombians will find a way to blame you for it if it happens, but daylight violent robberies are pretty prevalent and Colombians are often themselves victims. The two guys on a moto aren't riding around only looking for guys wearing shorts sporting gold chains and carrying IPhone 15's. Obvious foreigners are presumed rich, and they typically are compared to average Colombians. Move in at least pairs or groups when possible. Walk like you have a purpose and know exactly where you are going. But there's no panacea for street robberies either.
That said many are heading back to Costa Rica where they do not have to worry about much of this nonsense. Vacations should be just that, not conventions of guys constantly having to look over their shoulders or screw a water bottle cap off and on every time they want to take a drink near a young woman. LOL Look for a revival to that scene, and when the guys come the girls will also, often from neighboring countries. Much of the perceived beauty of Colombian women is artificial, in that they are great at make up and go for the surgeries. They also hit the gym to their credit. In Costa Rica, the Nicaraguan girls and local Ticas can be quite GFE and lower maintenance than Paisas, while cute and natural.
Hey,
Visiting Medellin for the first time and curious how to find good girls! Heard facebook is the way to go, but not really sure how to start on there? Appreciate any info people might have or recommendations here or in PM. Thank you.
I want to visit Medellin in the near future, and I really want to do my research. So instead of asking for advice, I asked GPT4 to analyse this thread. The prompt was designed to search for practical advice given by experienced users for a total newcomer like me. This is going to be my cheatsheet unless anyone disagrees on some points, I'm here to learn. If this is well received and people find it useful I wiant to do the same for other places on my fucketlist such as Manila and Rio. Anyway, here are the results:
After analyzing the most recent 3000 posts on the Medellin Reports thread from the International Sex Guide forum, focusing on users with more than 500 posts and their experiences with casas and paid interactions, here's a summary of specific and practical advice:
## CHOOSING CASAS:
- 'La Isla' and 'Fase Dos' consistently receive praise for variety and quality.
- 'Mansion' offers a premium, upscale experience; 'Barcelona' for local authenticity.
- Regulars at 'Mansion' mention discreet and high-quality services.
- Some users recommend visiting lesser-known casas for unique experiences.
- Look for listings on prepago sites for a broader range of services.
- Some posts delve into the dynamics of how casas operate, including the nuances of provider interactions and the general environment. This insight can help set expectations for first-time visitors.
- Each casa has its own atmosphere; some are party-like, others more relaxed.
- Users suggest visiting different casas to find one that matches your preferences.
- A few users discuss the benefits of planning casa visits ahead, especially during peak hours or weekends. This includes choosing the right time to visit for the best selection of providers.
## PRICING AND NEGOTIATION TACTICS:
- Clear discussions on services, duration, and prices are essential before engagement.
- Paying in Colombian pesos often results in better rates.
- Some casas have fixed price lists; familiarize yourself with these to guide negotiations.
- Be aware of varying prices for different services; some users share their spending on various activities.
- Understanding the general price range can help in budgeting your trip.
- Familiarize yourself with Colombian pesos and always carry small denominations for ease of transactions.
- Being aware of average rates in the area can help in negotiating fair prices.
- Tipping is based on service quality and personal satisfaction.
- Discussing tipping practices with locals or experienced visitors can provide insights.
- Some casas might have unofficial tipping norms; observe or ask discreetly.
## INTERACTING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS:
- Respect and polite behavior are key to better service.
- Basic Spanish phrases or translation apps improve communication significantly.
- Show interest in the provider's comfort for a more reciprocal experience.
## SAFETY MEASURES:
- Always watch your belongings; use casas with secure lockers.
- Maintain discretion in your interactions and discussions about your experiences.
- Be aware of your surroundings and who you share details with, especially in public areas.
- Be extra cautious when out late at night, especially in areas like Lleras and Calle 10.
- When exploring nightlife, plan safe transportation back to your accommodation.
- Always use ATMs in secure locations like banks or inside shopping malls.
- In crowded places, wear your backpack in front to deter pickpockets.
- Utilize a money belt or hidden pouch for important documents and cash.
## HEALTH AND HYGIENE:
- Personal grooming is appreciated and impacts interactions.
- Some users emphasize the importance of cleanliness both personally and in the casa environment.
- Select casas with high hygiene standards for a safer experience.
- Use protection; most casas provide it, but it's advisable to carry your own.
## BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS:
- Regular visits to a casa can lead to rapport and potentially better experiences.
- Being a friendly and consistent patron can lead to preferential rates / services.
- Long-term rapport with providers can lead to more personalized services.
## AFTER-VISIT PRACTICES:
- Reflecting on and sharing your experiences anonymously can help the community.
- Be mindful of giving balanced and respectful feedback on services and providers.
- Users often detail their encounters, providing insights into different types of services and expectations. Reading through these experiences can offer a realistic view of what to expect.
## TRANSPORTATION:
- Use reliable taxi services or ride-hailing apps like Uber for safe travel to casas.
- Always confirm that the taxi meter is on as soon as you start your journey.
- Some users recommend asking the casa for preferred or safe transportation options.
- Learn basic bus routes for an economical way to explore the city during the day.
## MANAGING EXPECTATIONS:
- Understand that experiences can vary widely; keep an open mind.
- Adjust expectations based on the casa's reputation and price range.
## ACCOMMODATION:
- Check if the AirBNB is girl-friendly to avoid issues with guests.
- Having a doorman at the AirBNB can be beneficial for safety and convenience.
- Tip the doorman at the start of your stay to ensure a smooth experience.
- In El Poblado, specifically around Parque Lleras, look for guest-friendly hotels.
- For longer stays, consider secured apartment rentals with a doorman.
- Choose accommodations with 24-hour security or a reception desk.
- Verify the lock quality on doors and windows of your lodging.
- Look for accommodations with reviews mentioning safety and ease of visitor access.
## DATES WITH PROVIDERS:
- Consider taking providers on day trips for a different kind of experience, as mentioned by some users.
- Negotiate terms clearly if planning activities outside of the usual services.
- There are mentions of getting local recommendations or insights on providers, which can sometimes lead to discovering hidden gems or particularly popular individuals.
- Some users recommend setting up multiple dates or encounters to maximize the experience during the stay.
- Use platforms like Facebook or local apps to connect with potential providers.
## CULTURAL INTERACTIONS:
- Carry a phrasebook or translation app to navigate language barriers.
- Greet locals with 'Buenos theas' in the morning and 'Buenas tardes' after noon.
- Understand that negotiations in markets should be friendly and respectful.
## NIGHTLIFE AND SOCIALIZING:
- In nightclubs, keep a close eye on your drinks to avoid being spiked.
- Network with expats and locals to find out about the best current venues.
- Dress smart-casual for nightclubs; some have dress codes.
## FOOD AND DINING:
- Street food is safe if you go where there's high turnover and locals eating.
- Try local dishes like 'Bandeja Paisa' and fresh fruit juices.
## HEALTH AND MEDICAL:
- Pharmacies can provide over-the-counter medications for common ailments.
- In case of a medical emergency, use private hospitals for more reliable care.
- Purchase comprehensive travel insurance that includes medical coverage.
## SHOPPING AND SOUVENIRS:
- Visit El Hueco for inexpensive local goods and souvenirs.
- Be aware of counterfeit items, especially in informal markets.
- Check customs regulations to ensure you can take certain items home.
Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.
BTW met a girl on tinder who is 30 years old who quoted me in fucking USD, and $120 at that. No thanks. I've been coming here since 2018 and I think the end is near.Any comment on her breath like Temporis mentioned? That would be a turn off for sure; I went to one of the bars in Lleras and one of the girls I talked to had a great body but terrible breath, there was no way I would've enjoyed it.
Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.
BTW met a girl on tinder who is 30 years old who quoted me in fucking USD, and $120 at that. No thanks. I've been coming here since 2018 and I think the end is near.That sounds disgusting. Women are not supposed to have massive quads, those are masculine features, women are supposed to be feminine with a fit athletic physique but not massive quads or pecks etc. Lmao you might as well be fucking a man with a vagina (those exist now a days LOL).
Any thoughts for or against AirBNB? Prices seem good and it seems nice to not have to deal with visitor fees etc. When bringing ladies back to have some fun.I've stayed in Airbnbs in Medellin and was satisfied, but for girls I'd prefer a hotel even with a 40 to 50 mil guest fee. If they say they allow guests and mention the fee, they will well know what you have in mind. It's something they are used to and screening, copying the girl's ID while calling you before she's allowed to exit could be more reliable than some apartment guards.
People on here openly talking about being completely new to everything, first trip report to anywhere is a month ago and it's a lesson in what *not to do. A few weeks later you are an expert on the "deteriorating situation" in Medellin. Now you tell us you've never even been to the Philippines but based on what you read someone else say, and a video chat, that asian pussy is better than Colombian pussy because of your tastes. You'll have to investigate in person you say, and oh by the way everyone beware of the importance of air conditioning. Bro, nothing wrong with being new or green or even dumb, but stop pretending you have any idea what you're on about.
I'm not going to write much more about this here because it maybe more appropriate for the Philippines forum after my trip.
I have had several online "relationships" including video chats with filipinas who, according to my taste, were 100% as hot as anyone I saw in Medellin. I'm not worried about that. They may however be more shy and less wild in bed. That may be a minus. I"ll have investigate in person.
The climate sounds terrible. I'm going to aim for very good air conditioning.
However in terms of crime the possibilty of anything worse than pickpocketing seems to be almost nil. That sounds good considering the deteriorating situation in Medellin. I think that tips the scales for me.
I want to visit Medellin in the near future, and I really want to do my research. So instead of asking for advice, I asked GPT4 to analyse this thread. The prompt was designed to search for practical advice given by experienced users for a total newcomer like me. This is going to be my cheatsheet unless anyone disagrees on some points, I'm here to learn. If this is well received and people find it useful I wiant to do the same for other places on my fucketlist such as Manila and Rio. Anyway, here are the results:
After analyzing the most recent 3000 posts on the Medellin Reports thread from the International Sex Guide forum, focusing on users with more than 500 posts and their experiences with casas and paid interactions, here's a summary of specific and practical advice:
## CHOOSING CASAS:
- 'La Isla' and 'Fase Dos' consistently receive praise for variety and quality.
- 'Mansion' offers a premium, upscale experience; 'Barcelona' for local authenticity.
etc etc
- Be aware of counterfeit items, especially in informal markets.
- Check customs regulations to ensure you can take certain items home.The stuff is all mixed up and is combining things about strip clubs, casas, and hotels. I clipped out most of the post for my response, but the first couple of suggestions show this clearly, La Isla and Fase Dos are strip clubs, Mansion is a hotel, and Barcelona is a casa I think. Not even sure about it. Parts about doormen and security are not at all clear, but nor are a lot of the posts that this summary is drawn from, so no surprise. For example, Airbnbs can be apartments in peoples homes, can be condominiums or apartments in various kinds of buildings, and may be merely how smaller hotels market themselves. So the facilities differ a lot, with some having condo type security, others having a homeowner with whatever security they may have, or it may be a hotel with whatever security the hotel may have. And whether they allow the guests you want to bring in, or not, varies independently of all of that. Anyway, a few thoughts.
But the summary is still interesting. I would hope it is not being absorbed into the app's database though.
ElSexoChino7
01-16-24, 17:58
Was bitching about prices a few posts ago but it is what is. Outcall from "Melissa Fitness" from prepagos. I'm a gym rat, I squat 400 lbs, She made me look like I've never touched a weight in my life. Insane physique, massive quads even by my standards, damage was 450 k for 2 in an hour. Showed up at that exact minute I asked which is surprising most chicas are like 30 minutes late from my experience. She was honestly really cool and had a great attitude, face was kinda weird but not ugly. Would recommend and might repeat.I agree with you, my first session with this girl. I was weirded out with her face, I couldn't kiss her. But her body makes up for everything though. Definitely my top 5. I pick the incall option. 170 k hour. She lives in upscale apartment with security. Her boobs is definitely man made, but felt soft and natural to me. I love pounding her natural ass on the doggy. Pussy tight too. You can tell that she takes pride on her physique. She's very accommodating, great attitude and planning to see her again on the next visit.
Nobody in Colombia is your friend. Thinking that is when you get set up. These girls are sharks, and every Colombian guy is jealous of you and secretly resents you because you're American. We see more money in a month than they see in a year. They will not think twice about robbing you. You don't know who to trust, so trust none. Muhammad Ali did an interview about snakes and white people in the 60's. It holds true for visiting Colombia. I'll let him explain it: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/tHLIpJGuGeo.
I agree with you, my first session with this girl. I was weirded out with her face, I couldn't kiss her. But her body makes up for everything though. Definitely my top 5. I pick the incall option. 170 k hour. She lives in upscale apartment with security. Her boobs is definitely man made, but felt soft and natural to me. I love pounding her natural ass on the doggy. Pussy tight too. You can tell that she takes pride on her physique. She's very accommodating, great attitude and planning to see her again on the next visit.No breath issues?
Why not? Also, please do experiment with other destinations like Rio, etc. !
I want to visit Medellin in the near future, and I really want to do my research. So instead of asking for advice, I asked GPT4 to analyse this thread. The prompt was designed to search for practical advice given by experienced users for a total newcomer like me. This is going to be my cheatsheet unless anyone disagrees on some points, I'm here to learn. If this is well received and people find it useful I wiant to do the same for other places on my fucketlist such as Manila and Rio. Anyway, here are the results:
After analyzing the most recent 3000 posts on the Medellin Reports thread from the International Sex Guide forum, focusing on users with more than 500 posts and their experiences with casas and paid interactions, here's a summary of specific and practical advice:
## CHOOSING CASAS:
- 'La Isla' and 'Fase Dos' consistently receive praise for variety and quality.
- 'Mansion' offers a premium, upscale experience; 'Barcelona' for local authenticity.
- Regulars at 'Mansion' mention discreet and high-quality services.
- Some users recommend visiting lesser-known casas for unique experiences.
- Look for listings on prepago sites for a broader range of services.
- Some posts delve into the dynamics of how casas operate, including the nuances of provider interactions and the general environment. This insight can help set expectations for first-time visitors.
- Each casa has its own atmosphere; some are party-like, others more relaxed.
- Users suggest visiting different casas to find one that matches your preferences.
- A few users discuss the benefits of planning casa visits ahead, especially during peak hours or weekends. This includes choosing the right time to visit for the best selection of providers.
## PRICING AND NEGOTIATION TACTICS:
- Clear discussions on services, duration, and prices are essential before engagement.
- Paying in Colombian pesos often results in better rates.
- Some casas have fixed price lists; familiarize yourself with these to guide negotiations.
- Be aware of varying prices for different services; some users share their spending on various activities.
- Understanding the general price range can help in budgeting your trip.
- Familiarize yourself with Colombian pesos and always carry small denominations for ease of transactions.
- Being aware of average rates in the area can help in negotiating fair prices.
- Tipping is based on service quality and personal satisfaction.
- Discussing tipping practices with locals or experienced visitors can provide insights.
- Some casas might have unofficial tipping norms; observe or ask discreetly.
## INTERACTING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS:
- Respect and polite behavior are key to better service.
- Basic Spanish phrases or translation apps improve communication significantly.
- Show interest in the provider's comfort for a more reciprocal experience.
## SAFETY MEASURES:
- Always watch your belongings; use casas with secure lockers.
- Maintain discretion in your interactions and discussions about your experiences.
- Be aware of your surroundings and who you share details with, especially in public areas.
- Be extra cautious when out late at night, especially in areas like Lleras and Calle 10.
- When exploring nightlife, plan safe transportation back to your accommodation.
- Always use ATMs in secure locations like banks or inside shopping malls.
- In crowded places, wear your backpack in front to deter pickpockets.
- Utilize a money belt or hidden pouch for important documents and cash.
## HEALTH AND HYGIENE:
- Personal grooming is appreciated and impacts interactions.
- Some users emphasize the importance of cleanliness both personally and in the casa environment.
- Select casas with high hygiene standards for a safer experience.
- Use protection; most casas provide it, but it's advisable to carry your own.
## BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS:
- Regular visits to a casa can lead to rapport and potentially better experiences.
- Being a friendly and consistent patron can lead to preferential rates / services.
- Long-term rapport with providers can lead to more personalized services.
## AFTER-VISIT PRACTICES:
- Reflecting on and sharing your experiences anonymously can help the community.
- Be mindful of giving balanced and respectful feedback on services and providers.
- Users often detail their encounters, providing insights into different types of services and expectations. Reading through these experiences can offer a realistic view of what to expect.
## TRANSPORTATION:
- Use reliable taxi services or ride-hailing apps like Uber for safe travel to casas.
- Always confirm that the taxi meter is on as soon as you start your journey.
- Some users recommend asking the casa for preferred or safe transportation options.
- Learn basic bus routes for an economical way to explore the city during the day.
## MANAGING EXPECTATIONS:
- Understand that experiences can vary widely; keep an open mind.
- Adjust expectations based on the casa's reputation and price range.
## ACCOMMODATION:
- Check if the AirBNB is girl-friendly to avoid issues with guests.
- Having a doorman at the AirBNB can be beneficial for safety and convenience.
- Tip the doorman at the start of your stay to ensure a smooth experience.
- In El Poblado, specifically around Parque Lleras, look for guest-friendly hotels.
- For longer stays, consider secured apartment rentals with a doorman.
- Choose accommodations with 24-hour security or a reception desk.
- Verify the lock quality on doors and windows of your lodging.
- Look for accommodations with reviews mentioning safety and ease of visitor access.
## DATES WITH PROVIDERS:
- Consider taking providers on day trips for a different kind of experience, as mentioned by some users.
- Negotiate terms clearly if planning activities outside of the usual services.
- There are mentions of getting local recommendations or insights on providers, which can sometimes lead to discovering hidden gems or particularly popular individuals.
- Some users recommend setting up multiple dates or encounters to maximize the experience during the stay.
- Use platforms like Facebook or local apps to connect with potential providers.
## CULTURAL INTERACTIONS:
- Carry a phrasebook or translation app to navigate language barriers.
- Greet locals with 'Buenos theas' in the morning and 'Buenas tardes' after noon.
- Understand that negotiations in markets should be friendly and respectful.
## NIGHTLIFE AND SOCIALIZING:
- In nightclubs, keep a close eye on your drinks to avoid being spiked.
- Network with expats and locals to find out about the best current venues.
- Dress smart-casual for nightclubs; some have dress codes.
## FOOD AND DINING:
- Street food is safe if you go where there's high turnover and locals eating.
- Try local dishes like 'Bandeja Paisa' and fresh fruit juices.
## HEALTH AND MEDICAL:
- Pharmacies can provide over-the-counter medications for common ailments.
- In case of a medical emergency, use private hospitals for more reliable care.
- Purchase comprehensive travel insurance that includes medical coverage.
## SHOPPING AND SOUVENIRS:
- Visit El Hueco for inexpensive local goods and souvenirs.
- Be aware of counterfeit items, especially in informal markets.
- Check customs regulations to ensure you can take certain items home.
Any comment on her breath like Temporis mentioned? That would be a turn off for sure; I went to one of the bars in Lleras and one of the girls I talked to had a great body but terrible breath, there was no way I would've enjoyed it.If the body's really amazing I'd offer her some Listerine to gaggle and swish before coitus.
Here is an article on zero hedge about a bunch of dating app murders in Colombia. When mongering news makes it to a site like zero hedge, you know shit is getting real.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-warned-about-dating-apps-after-8-suspicious-deaths-colombia
Why not? Also, please do experiment with other destinations like Rio, etc. !Thanks I will, I wasn't sure if it would be better to do in parts or in one giant post.
The stuff is all mixed up and is combining things about strip clubs, casas, and hotels. I clipped out most of the post for my response, but the first couple of suggestions show this clearly, La Isla and Fase Dos are strip clubs, Mansion is a hotel, and Barcelona is a casa I think. Not even sure about it. Parts about doormen and security are not at all clear, but nor are a lot of the posts that this summary is drawn from, so no surprise. For example, Airbnbs can be apartments in peoples homes, can be condominiums or apartments in various kinds of buildings, and may be merely how smaller hotels market themselves. So the facilities differ a lot, with some having condo type security, others having a homeowner with whatever security they may have, or it may be a hotel with whatever security the hotel may have. And whether they allow the guests you want to bring in, or not, varies independently of all of that. Anyway, a few thoughts.
But the summary is still interesting. I would hope it is not being absorbed into the app's database though.Yeah it took a few cycles to see clear trends in the responses and it was a bit all over the place at times. I was hoping it would be even somewhat useful.
Regarding the database, I think the OpenAI training dataset would already include mostly everything on every major website online. Same with Google. So it's definitely too late to worry about that LOL.
There was a wild shootout at the Milla de Oro last night about 7:30. I was outside the Starbucks when I heard 10 or so shots ring out before a bunch of people came running out of the mall entrance near the BMW dealer less than a minute later. I decided I had enough of Poblado and got an uber home. Two police cars with lights and sirens blaring flew past toward the mall as the uber took me away. News reports indicate a young guy with a gun tried to rob some people eating in the food court but the group was armed and opened up on the guy. The robber tried to run out of the mall but security guards shot him down.
I've only looked around Lleras Park due to high volume of ladies but is there another neighborhood / area you all recommend to stay in? Looking to maximize time and see as many ladies as possible with the intent to take some back to my hotel / Airbnb. Wasn't sure if there was another area or two I should look in besides around Lleras Park.
I took a look at zero hedge, although I did not follow the shared link because I don't click random links. The site is advertising and opinion driven so I feel it's fair game for my opinion. I think it is reddit with ads and a neo con / greed / boomer slant. I think it scrapes the Internet for content and I question whether its owners have been to Latin America.
Here is an article on zero hedge about a bunch of dating app murders in Colombia. When mongering news makes it to a site like zero hedge, you know shit is getting real.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-warned-about-dating-apps-after-8-suspicious-deaths-colombia
There was a wild shootout at the Milla de Oro last night about 7:30. I was outside the Starbucks when I heard 10 or so shots ring out before a bunch of people came running out of the mall entrance near the BMW dealer less than a minute later. I decided I had enough of Poblado and got an uber home. Two police cars with lights and sirens blaring flew past toward the mall as the uber took me away. News reports indicate a young guy with a gun tried to rob some people eating in the food court but the group was armed and opened up on the guy. The robber tried to run out of the mall but security guards shot him down.The diners were carrying? That's crazy!
Mr Enternational
01-17-24, 20:09
The diners were carrying? That's crazy!Why would they not? I carry everyday when I am in the USA and have one for each day of the month.
TraveLight
01-18-24, 01:03
I've only looked around Lleras Park due to high volume of ladies but is there another neighborhood / area you all recommend to stay in? Looking to maximize time and see as many ladies as possible with the intent to take some back to my hotel / Airbnb. Wasn't sure if there was another area or two I should look in besides around Lleras Park.Plaza Botero area, based on my reading, seems to be a popular area to stay as well. I have not been but, am considering that area myself.
It's not unusual, especially not in places where monied Colombians hang out. The gun laws are pretty liberal here as long as you are a citizen.
The diners were carrying? That's crazy!
The diners were carrying? That's crazy!Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.
Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.I'll never forget the hotel I always stay at in Bogota, one night I woke up feeling dehydrated and I wanted a soda or juice or something and I came down to the lobby and during the pandemic they always sold sodas for like 2 mil pesos and they had a little nevera with postobon products but by early 2022 they didn't have it anymore.
So anyways I told the night manager dude Sergio that I wanted to buy a soda and if he knew any place nearby that was open (it was 3 am). Then he called up some dude he knows that has a tienda and told him to bring me a jugo hit on his moto.
Then, I shit you not he pulls out this big ass fucking pistol that looks like a 9 mm or something and clocks it back and puts it on his waist under his belt and tells me "vamos a esperarlo afuera. ".
Then we went to go wait outside on Cra 13 and the dude pulled up on the moto like 10 mins later with a big ass jugo hit sabor de mora for like 5 mil pesos.
Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.What?! Those diners were carrying? That's real crazy!
Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.Yea this isn't Mexico. I Colombia people can have guns.
Plaza Botero area, based on my reading, seems to be a popular area to stay as well. I have not been but, am considering that area myself.Plaza Botero area is not an area that is safe at night. Not at all.
I've only looked around Lleras Park due to high volume of ladies but is there another neighborhood / area you all recommend to stay in? Looking to maximize time and see as many ladies as possible with the intent to take some back to my hotel / Airbnb. Wasn't sure if there was another area or two I should look in besides around Lleras Park.Depends on what sort of things you want around you. Other parts of Poblado are great and Laureles area is fine too.
Why would they not? I carry everyday when I am in the USA and have one for each day of the month.As someone that has a bad ass revolver for home protection, I can't imagine carrying everyday or one day for that matter. What do you think is going to happen. Waiting for some mass shooter to come in Walmart.
Plaza Botero area is not an area that is safe at night. Not at all.Aren't you the guy that was going around plaza botero at night carrying the baton ready to whack people's hands if they tried to touch you LOL??
Here is an article on zero hedge about a bunch of dating app murders in Colombia. When mongering news makes it to a site like zero hedge, you know shit is getting real.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-warned-about-dating-apps-after-8-suspicious-deaths-colombiaZero Hedge copied it from The Epoch Times. It has a link too to original one. Anyhow, we got the point.
Dude, that ain't crazy, that is Colombia.I guess the crazy part is I've walked past that area hundreds of times and even eaten there a few times. Seems like such a peaceful and pleasant setting.
ElSexoChino7
01-19-24, 01:28
I'm looking at an Airbnb in Laureles. Really nice apartment condo. Has 24 hour security. Great reviews. Has AC and all the amenities that I need. But it says, "No Sex tourism". I still did try to ask the host, if it's "guest friendly' or if visitors is allowed.
He said 'Yes', visitors are allowed. As long as they register in the reception with valid ID. Rules must be complied such as, Parties are not allowed and Loud music is not allowed because it is a residential building. So does it mean it is Chica friendly? As long they are dressed normal and obviously not looking like a prepago.
I think you will be OK. Don't be surprised if some of your dates show up without acceptable ID. In those situations you can use one of the many motels or love hotels nearby. I recommend you plot directions to a couple of them from the airbnb on one of the mapping apps. You might also get flak for multiple dates per day. Hopefully it doesn't happen but if it does that will be another reason to have the motel option available. You other option is of course find a different airbnb. There are many.
I'm looking at an Airbnb in Laureles. Really nice apartment condo. Has 24 hour security. Great reviews. Has AC and all the amenities that I need. But it says, "No Sex tourism". I still did try to ask the host, if it's "guest friendly' or if visitors is allowed.
He said 'Yes', visitors are allowed. As long as they register in the reception with valid ID. Rules must be complied such as, Parties are not allowed and Loud music is not allowed because it is a residential building. So does it mean it is Chica friendly? As long they are dressed normal and obviously not looking like a prepago.
Honestly I'm just trying to maximize my time with as many women as possible haha. I don't mind using Uber to get around. It's about a 1/4 mile from Lleras park.
I found an AirBNB that verified they have security and are visitor friendly. Not sure if it will allow me to post the link here but it is:
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/895003244487697728?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=322c8c40-53d5-4268-95a4-63f89fb6e6cd
Depends on what sort of things you want around you. Other parts of Poblado are great and Laureles area is fine too.
Speaking of weapons, I was planning on bringing down a pocket knife that has a blade about 2 in to carry around with me. What are the laws and how likely am I to be checked? I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it just in case.
Yea this isn't Mexico. I Colombia people can have guns.
Aren't you the guy that was going around plaza botero at night carrying the baton ready to whack people's hands if they tried to touch you LOL??Rambo has turned in his baton. Even he is like "fuck this place".
What's been everyone's experience with the ladies being ok with you recording your interactions?
Also, what about ladies working with another woman for a threesome?
I'm looking at an Airbnb in Laureles. Really nice apartment condo. Has 24 hour security. Great reviews. Has AC and all the amenities that I need. But it says, "No Sex tourism". I still did try to ask the host, if it's "guest friendly' or if visitors is allowed.
He said 'Yes', visitors are allowed. As long as they register in the reception with valid ID. Rules must be complied such as, Parties are not allowed and Loud music is not allowed because it is a residential building. So does it mean it is Chica friendly? As long they are dressed normal and obviously not looking like a prepago.My guess is if you limit it to two short term guests or one long term guest per day, it will be okay. The problem with some of those buildings is that other residents complain. If anyone complains, tell the owner your guests are friends visiting you.
NiteRiderCal
01-19-24, 05:36
So which place have the hottest looking girl? I guess it is in the eye of the beholder. But still, I like your opinion. I read through many pages and on line video. It seem Loutron is on top, what is second, third etc. ? Can you guy make a list of above average. I'm not talking about club. Thanks.
My guess is if you limit it to two short term guests or one long term guest per day, it will be okay. The problem with some of those buildings is that other residents complain. If anyone complains, tell the owner your guests are friends visiting you.Look them straight in the eye and tell them it's your niece.
Aren't you the guy that was going around plaza botero at night carrying the baton ready to whack people's hands if they tried to touch you LOL??Nope, wasn't me. I've been there at night though. And especially after the metro stops it is like a zombie land. Police are all gone, very few people around and none of them were just normal people. I was never so glad to see a taxi across by one of the strip clubs and even better when I got out of there back to my place.
I came in on Thursday morning from Guyana.
Was using my Canadian passport.
90% of the passengers were foreigners.
Went to the officer and was sent to another one.
Gave him my passport showed me a small paper that said Canadians have to pay 260 mil pesos or 85 Canadian dollars.
Only debit or credit cards are accepted.
I did not take any of my cards with me.
Reason my last trip in October I sent myself pesos from Guyana with WU.
So I had a lot that was left back.
So I had to sit on the chair behind him.
Then an officer came to me and said one of her colleague will use his card.
I gave 300 mil pesos for good deed.
This was implemented in November.
Petro introduced it.
I did google it.
It's political.
So I just had to share it fir fellow Canadians.
Nope, wasn't me. I've been there at night though. And especially after the metro stops it is like a zombie land. Police are all gone, very few people around and none of them were just normal people. I was never so glad to see a taxi across by one of the strip clubs and even better when I got out of there back to my place.One time I went literally at 2 am and was doing laps around Cra 53 (bar street) and Calle 51 (pedestrian walkway) and it was very different than in the day time. Luckily nothing bad happened to me but I didn't see a single cop and most places were closed up and there was lots of homeless people and the few chicas I did see were nasty looking drug addicts or trannies.
Speaking of weapons, I was planning on bringing down a pocket knife that has a blade about 2 in to carry around with me. What are the laws and how likely am I to be checked? I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it just in case.I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.
Nope, wasn't me. I've been there at night though. And especially after the metro stops it is like a zombie land. Police are all gone, very few people around and none of them were just normal people. I was never so glad to see a taxi across by one of the strip clubs and even better when I got out of there back to my place.I remember my first trip to Colombia, burning both ends, left a strip club, walked outside, and it was like a nuke hit. I didn't see a soul. It was frightening. I went back inside and asked the guy to call me a taxi and tipped him a couple bucks. Colombia late at night in the wrong area is pretty scary. The funny part was I think I would have preferred a bunch of shady characters everywhere than empty. It's like the whole town knew don't stay out past this time.
I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.I think if he packs it in his checked bag it should be OK. He shouldn't under and circumstances try to take it in his carry-on luggage. Once he gets here as far as carrying it on him, I'm not sure of the exact laws, like you say it will likely just depend on the cops who stop him and if he is even searched, 9 times out of 10 they just ask for cedula number and you show them your ID or passport and that's it.
I highly doubt he would get arrested for carrying a pocket knife even if the cops did search him and find it, worse case scenario is pay a bribe and it gets confiscated.
If you can get it past TSA you will have no problems here.
I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.
I always carry a knife with a 2 inch blade; not for protection, but for convenience when I need it for normal knife usage. I asked a local man about the laws and he said Colombia citizens are allowed to carry knives, and it would depend on the police officer if a foreigner had one. He said he didn't think there were any laws against it. In 13 years and many trips, I have never had an encounter with the police.All Bogotá.
I was walking through the North Stroll in SF and all of a sudden there was a cop reaching into my jacket pocket from behind and he took my jack knife-- that was it-- no other interaction.
Once late at night a cop asked me to empty my pockets on Calle 19 and kept one of my lighters-- LOL-- he did ask to keep it.
Another time I was walking with this big mouth fat Chicago Polish dude who likes to because-play as a pimp-- he had like 2 million or so on him and the cop made him take him to his apartment and he found a bullet in there and dude had to pay him like 300 mil or so-.
A few times I have been rousted for smoking a J -- ended up giving a bribe.
Eustisflman
01-19-24, 19:51
I came in on Thursday morning from Guyana.
Was using my Canadian passport.
90% of the passengers were foreigners.
Went to the officer and was sent to another one.
Gave him my passport showed me a small paper that said Canadians have to pay 260 mil pesos or 85 Canadian dollars.
Only debit or credit cards are accepted..https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/colombia#entryexit
Entry tax.
As of November 14,2023, you must pay an entry fee equivalent to $85 CAD in Colombian Pesos upon arrival in Colombia. You can only pay by credit card. The payment must be made upon entering the country during the immigration control process. There could be significant delays to make the payment, which could disrupt your travel plans.
You don't have to pay this entry tax if:
Your destination is the archipelago of San Andres, Providencia and Santa Catalina.
You have a valid Colombian visa.
You are less than 14 years of age or more than 79 years old.
You are a member of the crew of international transport means (conditions apply).
I came in on Thursday morning from Guyana.
Was using my Canadian passport.
90% of the passengers were foreigners.
Went to the officer and was sent to another one.
Gave him my passport showed me a small paper that said Canadians have to pay 260 mil pesos or 85 Canadian dollars.
Only debit or credit cards are accepted.
I did not take any of my cards with me.
Reason my last trip in October I sent myself pesos from Guyana with WU.
So I had a lot that was left back.
So I had to sit on the chair behind him.
Then an officer came to me and said one of her colleague will use his card.
I gave 300 mil pesos for good deed.
This was implemented in November.
Petro introduced it.
I did google it.
It's political.
So I just had to share it fir fellow Canadians.They had it a few years ago for a while, then dropped it around 2020 sometime I think. I had to pay it 2 or 3 different trips. Anyway, not original with Petro, although he has now re-instated it.
A gringo is on the top floor of hotel dorado.
He just jumped.
I hope this does not mean what I think it means.
A gringo is on the top floor of hotel dorado.
He just jumped.
I hope this does not mean what I think it means.It's strange that SureMan doesn't have any followup posts. Sounds like a hoax to me.
It's strange that SureMan doesn't have any followup posts. Sounds like a hoax to me.A simple Google search confirms it: https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/.
Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.
A simple Google search confirms it: https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/.
Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.Yeah I read that on GringoPaisa (a Facebook group) I listened to the video and didn't hear anything remotely like what was said on that page. I heard lots of gasps and screams but not anyone urging him to jump. I have some friends on the staff there and I understand he was Lithuanian and was there on vacation and was depressed. Sad thing no matter what the details are.
A simple Google search confirms it: https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/.
Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.The article says 'un lituano' so Lithuania. That did not look like a Spanish surname to me. Tomas / Tomasz is all over Eastern Europe and if Spanish, has an accent mark.
Explorer8939
01-21-24, 02:49
https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/americans-looking-for-love-are-getting-killed-by-gangs-in-colombia-b12d7671
Americans Looking for Love Are Getting Killed by Gangs in Colombia.
USA Embassy warns tourists after eight men died in Medellíand in two months, often after meeting women on dating apps.
https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/americans-looking-for-love-are-getting-killed-by-gangs-in-colombia-b12d7671?mod=hp_lead_pos10
Many men have been stabbed and killed recently in Medellin. Watch out!
A simple Google search confirms it: https://www.semana.com/nacion/medellin/articulo/conmocion-en-medellin-extranjero-cayo-de-un-edificio-y-ciudadanos-lanzaron-indignantes-mensajes/202445/.
Disturbingly, some onlookers were apparently urging him to jump. Extranjero, but not sure what country he was from as he has a Spanish name.According to that article, he was Lithuanian.
https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/americans-looking-for-love-are-getting-killed-by-gangs-in-colombia-b12d7671?mod=hp_lead_pos10
Many men have been stabbed and killed recently in Medellin. Watch out!So this piece of news finally hit mainstream media after making the turns on lesser known media.
Some people here will keep their head in the sand and pretend this only happens to "stupid, careless" people but truth is Medellin has gotten more dangerous recently. A shame because I loved my trip there but this will definitely make me think twice before rebooking.
Some of us who live here see it differently. In any case, you have to trust your instincts. Also on a more practical level it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to spend money to come to a place that makes you uneasy and afraid of your own shadow. This story has made the rounds of the major American and European media outlets for the past couple of years. I know this because people up north and in Europe who know I live here send me links like the one in your post on a regular basis. Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others.
So this piece of news finally hit mainstream media after making the turns on lesser known media.
Some people here will keep their head in the sand and pretend this only happens to "stupid, careless" people but truth is Medellin has gotten more dangerous recently. A shame because I loved my trip there but this will definitely make me think twice before rebooking.
I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality.
According to that article, he was Lithuanian.
LvZooMan211
01-21-24, 16:46
I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality.There is a very graphic video on a site called livegore.com that showed the whole event. It's disturbing so I don't want to post it here. Do a google search and you'll find it.
I heard of something called pattaya flying club where people self delete from there. I don't know how common it is there but maybe it's making its way to Latin America now.
I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality.The average Medellin citizen does not like the idea of sex tourism. There is a reason why some rentals post " no sex tourists".
Simply, many don't like outspoken, cocky, shorts and flip flop wearing working girl mongers throwing money around and raising prices.
"Fly under the radar or risk getting shot down".
I speculate they saw a vulnerable gringo. They vented, told him to jump then he did.
Some of us could learn a little about respecting the country and residents of destinations we visit?
I remember my first trip to Colombia, burning both ends, left a strip club, walked outside, and it was like a nuke hit. I didn't see a soul. It was frightening. I went back inside and asked the guy to call me a taxi and tipped him a couple bucks. Colombia late at night in the wrong area is pretty scary. The funny part was I think I would have preferred a bunch of shady characters everywhere than empty. It's like the whole town knew don't stay out past this time.You know how rough the area you are in is when even the shady characters are afraid to be out and about.
RudeBwoy100
01-21-24, 23:25
With all the reports of the uptick in violence especially druggings are you guys moving differently when it comes to meeting girls from online sites like facebook, photoprepagos, seeking, tinder etc?
Would you guys recommend only going to strip clubs and brothels and if you want to bring a girl back to your place get their number from one of these establishments and do it that way or not? What are you guys doing to safe guard yourself in 2024 and beyond in Medellin?
ElSexoChino7
01-22-24, 09:07
With all the reports of the uptick in violence especially druggings are you guys moving differently when it comes to meeting girls from online sites like facebook, photoprepagos, seeking, tinder etc?
Would you guys recommend only going to strip clubs and brothels and if you want to bring a girl back to your place get their number from one of these establishments and do it that way or not? What are you guys doing to safe guard yourself in 2024 and beyond in Medellin?Strip clubs and brothels are not my thing anymore. I used to frequent Fase dos and La Isla back then, but not anymore. Quality of girls went downhill and way overpriced. I just stick to massage Spas with FS.
Seeking and online (PasionPrepagos) is also my go to now. I picked up girls in LLeras every now and then, but very minimum.
For the safety measures, I just require the girls to come to me all the time. They will have their identification and photo recorded on where I'm staying at. These two pieces of information alone is enough for them to think twice if they happen to have bad intentions to you. I'd also recommend tipping the security staff and befriending them. They are the ones that will always look out for you.
Also, using a local Colombian number for your burner phone is a clutch. As soon as the girls know you have +1 (US phone number) on your WhatsApp, you will become an easy target and she can get you setup. Last one will be, learn Spanish.
Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others.To you it's all in your hands until you run out of luck. Truth is that Colombia has very weak law enforcement and judicial systems thus criminals thrive. Medellin, though not the most dangerous city in the world, is much more dangerous than many other large cities. The locals will all tell you it is dangerous. It's only some foreigners, and especially some posting online that say otherwise.
P.S. Comparisons to cities like Chicago will always remain invalid as, for example murder stats in cities like that are inflated by gang violence in certain areas of town and are neither here nor there to expats and tourists.
Mr Enternational
01-22-24, 17:09
I heard of something called pattaya flying club where people self delete from there.Probably an accident half the time though with the crazy way shit is built. Add in alcohol and. My balcony only comes to the middle of my thigh. So if there is talk about me joining a flying club without an airplane then you know it was not on purpose.
Mr Enternational
01-22-24, 17:12
The average Medellin citizen does not like the idea of sex tourism. There is a reason why some rentals post " no sex tourists".
I speculate they saw a vulnerable gringo. They vented, told him to jump then he did.
Some of us could learn a little about respecting the country and residents of destinations we visit?Where did it say that he was a sex tourist?
This is pretty solid advice. Be advised however that doormen can work for you or against you and it doesn't have so much to do with tipping. In other words, tipping can help improve service for things like food deliveries as well as protection from misbehaving visitors but, and this is a big but, you should never assume doormen would not get into cahoots with potential robbers. Trust me, it happens.
Strip clubs and brothels are not my thing anymore. I used to frequent Fase dos and La Isla back then, but not anymore. Quality of girls went downhill and way overpriced. I just stick to massage Spas with FS.
Seeking and online (PasionPrepagos) is also my go to now. I picked up girls in LLeras every now and then, but very minimum.
For the safety measures, I just require the girls to come to me all the time. They will have their identification and photo recorded on where I'm staying at. These two pieces of information alone is enough for them to think twice if they happen to have bad intentions to you. I'd also recommend tipping the security staff and befriending them. They are the ones that will always look out for you.
Also, using a local Colombian number for your burner phone is a clutch. As soon as the girls know you have +1 (US phone number) on your WhatsApp, you will become an easy target and she can get you setup. Last one will be, learn Spanish.
Some reporting indicates that the Lithuanian was traveling with his mother. At any rate, I agree it's very good advice to be discreet at all times. All the same there is no justification for encouraging a troubled person to take their own life. With all due respect, I'm very disappointed to see this sort of projection.
The average Medellin citizen does not like the idea of sex tourism. There is a reason why some rentals post " no sex tourists".
Simply, many don't like outspoken, cocky, shorts and flip flop wearing working girl mongers throwing money around and raising prices.
"Fly under the radar or risk getting shot down".
I speculate they saw a vulnerable gringo. They vented, told him to jump then he did.
Some of us could learn a little about respecting the country and residents of destinations we visit?
Nowhere did it say that. There is an Internet trend of adapting any popular content to project a point of view whether or not it has anything to do with the actual events.
Where did it say that he was a sex tourist?
Dcrist0527
01-22-24, 20:16
P.S. Comparisons to cities like Chicago will always remain invalid as, for example murder stats in cities like that are inflated by gang violence in certain areas of town and are neither here nor there to expats and tourists.Against my better judgement, I'm going to jump in on this one. "Itemizing" crime rates against one another is foolish. Just like a 5 year old in Chicago is caught in the crossfire in "gang violence", a gringo could likewise be caught up in a turf war in Medellin. I'm not saying you are way off base. But I'd say your speculative numbers are more invalid than an apples to apples comparison.
That said, your speculation could be correct. However neither of us have valid data to draw that conclusion. Frankly, I suspect neither Medellin nor Chicago have reliable data to make that comparison. There are too many variables.
FunForAll37
01-22-24, 23:05
Was looking through the forum for updated information in advance of my return to Medellin in a week. Was struck by a couple things.
First, I checked the exchange rate and noticed it's much lower than the last time I went. Which made me check further and I realized I was literally in Medellin at the all time high for USD to COP! So looks like everything's 20 percent higher this time. Not complaining. I view it more good fortune the first time than bad fortune the second time.
Second, there's been all this discussion of danger in Medellin. One thing I never see get brought up in terms of safety in addition to watching your drinks, building security, not going into certain areas late at night, not flashing expensive items etc. Is looking for a digital trail in who you see. It seems like a lot of people have figured out not to use Tinder in specific because you don't know who the people are as well but I'd apply the same logic to using Facebook. No matter how attractive, if all I see from a woman is a bunch of profile picture changes, I'm not contacting her. I look for women that have a lot of posts and seem to be interacting with other people in a real way. Most of all, if there's a photo of her with a bunch of friends or better yet a family, that seems a much, much safer bet to me than someone who only has photos of herself. Those are people that know her and if she's been on Facebook for 3 years and there's a bunch of other people there that have met her in real life, I think she's substantially less likely to try to drug and kill people given she's going to recognize it's not that hard to locate her and she's not trying to be secretive about who she is. Not foolproof but nothing is and it's something that makes me more confident in addition to the fact security takes down the girl's cedula and I'm still locking up valuables and watching my drinks.
ElSexoChino7
01-23-24, 00:08
This is pretty solid advice. Be advised however that doormen can work for you or against you and it doesn't have so much to do with tipping. In other words, tipping can help improve service for things like food deliveries as well as protection from misbehaving visitors but, and this is a big but, you should never assume doormen would not get into cahoots with potential robbers. Trust me, it happens.Never happened to me yet. But I always make sure to build a relationship with the doorman and sometimes you can always tell or your gut instinct will let you know if something is up. Picking a good location with a lot of good reviews will always help.
MarquisdeSade1
01-23-24, 00:47
"I saw a couple of videos. People in the crowd were absolutely yelling at him to jump. I don't understand that mentality. ".
Maybe if he landed on someone yelling jump, that would discourage that from.
Happening in the future after people would also see that in the video.
TraveLight
01-23-24, 01:18
Never happened to me yet. But I always make sure to build a relationship with the doorman and sometimes you can always tell or your gut instinct will let you know if something is up. Picking a good location with a lot of good reviews will always help.I've yet to decide where to stay in my quickly approaching trip because I agonize over things such as these. I've been going into the archives here in my spare time and creating a list which, is short at the moment.
A couple that I've run across with previous mention here are: Orange Suites Medellin, Hotel Selis, and of course, The Mansion.
What places have you stayed, what were the pros and cons of those places? Feel free to PM, I'd love to compile the suggestions and perhaps make it into the "links to reports of distinction" thread.
The location I'm looking for is preferrably $100/ night or less, has a check in program, and not so close to the party that sleeping will be difficult.
One of you residents take me up on my offer of free beer, please (2/4-2/10). Thanks.
Michael Taylor
01-23-24, 01:21
I visited Medellin last week (work trip). I was hoping I'd get a few hours away from my colleagues, but I guess it was a team building trip, so we literally did everything together for 6 days. Anyway. . . Just a word or two about the area.
I stayed at a hotel in El Poblado area. A Marriot hotel. In my case, I needed to do something safe / nearby / discreet. From my perspective, the options were:
1. Jade Palace (probably a 15 min walk). Uber would be quite reasonable and well worth the price. It's hot. I don't recall the rates, but they were pretty cheap compared to the legit spas.
2. Rio Sur Mall (OM Spa for Men). Will be pricey. Expect to pay 500000 COP if you want a legit massage and full service.
3. I looked on Mileroticos.com and found plenty of escort options, but I was just too nervous to pull it off. My hotel had a security guard at the ground floor entrance. It would have felt funny to try to sneak an obvious escort in. It looks like some of the escorts host in the El Poblado area (Near the park in El Poblado (Calle 10)). I was just too nervous going into an apartment, alone.
My Columbian colleagues told me that it's safe, but if you look like you're a foreigner (which I do), you might be targeted to get robbed in the evening. They said that guys / gangs actively look for tourists leaving nice restaurants / hotels and following them. I was there for 6 days and we walked El Poblado a whole lot. Not once did I feel unsafe. . . . but. . . We were with Columbians and travelled in a large group. At one point, I told the group I was going to walk back to the hotel (4 blocks) at 9 pm and they advised against it. I think I would have been fine, but what do I know. I'm always aware of my surroundings (even at home).
When I was in the hotel elevator, I said 'Hola' to the other person and he told me (sternly) "You don't speak Spanish to me". So there's an element that certainly hates tourists. Truth be told, I hate tourists in my town too, so I can't blame him.
I 'm a little disappointed I didn't get to give it a try, but I wanted to contribute to the forum and thank those that took the time to help me.
Hello everyone, I am from Medellín, I offer my services as a sexual tourist guide, I have great experience and knowledge of all the sites that provide sexual services, I have contacts with girls who work in the sector and also with local girls who can only be found through networks such as Facebook, dating houses, bars, websites, etc, in addition to knowing how to hire the services of escorts without being scammed, prioritizing security and with the maximum benefit that guarantees that the girls comply with everything they offer, you can write to me by private message for more information about this or any other service I can offer, have a good night.
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To you it's all in your hands until you run out of luck. Truth is that Colombia has very weak law enforcement and judicial systems thus criminals thrive. Medellin, though not the most dangerous city in the world, is much more dangerous than many other large cities. The locals will all tell you it is dangerous. It's only some foreigners, and especially some posting online that say otherwise.
P.S. Comparisons to cities like Chicago will always remain invalid as, for example murder stats in cities like that are inflated by gang violence in certain areas of town and are neither here nor there to expats and tourists.The weak law enforcement was the biggest thing for me during the two crimes that I've been a victim of (apartment robing when out and then being drugged and robbed). I had information on the suspects and even some pics, but cops wouldn't do anything.
As someone from Chicago I also have to agree there. The situation is very unfortunate there, and safety unequal. The murder rate on the leafy Northside is 3 per 100,000 and then you have the West Side around Garfield Park and near South Side where it's 120+ per 100,000 . As dangerous as Tijuana.
This is a variation on the advertising that appears in every gringo in Medellin facebook group on a daily basis.
Hello everyone, I am from Medelland, I offer my services as a sexual tourist guide, I have great experience and knowledge of all the sites that provide sexual services, I have contacts with girls who work in the sector and also with local girls who can only be found through networks such as Facebook, dating houses, bars, websites, etc. , in addition to knowing how to hire the services of escorts without being scammed, prioritizing security and with the maximum benefit that guarantees that the girls comply with everything they offer, you can write to me by private message for more information about this or any other service I can offer, have a good night.
The guy you met in the elevator sounds like a class A dickhead. Anyway, if you are back for another business trip and you can get away from your colleagues for two to three hours before dinner you would have time for a quick uber or taxi trip to a casa in Centro. It's very low risk and time efficient. I think it's a very good businessman's option.
I visited Medellin last week (work trip). I was hoping I'd get a few hours away from my colleagues, but I guess it was a team building trip, so we literally did everything together for 6 days. Anyway. . . Just a word or two about the area.
I stayed at a hotel in El Poblado area. A Marriot hotel. In my case, I needed to do something safe / nearby / discreet. From my perspective, the options were:
1. Jade Palace (probably a 15 min walk). Uber would be quite reasonable and well worth the price. It's hot. I don't recall the rates, but they were pretty cheap compared to the legit spas.
2. Rio Sur Mall (OM Spa for Men). Will be pricey. Expect to pay 500000 COP if you want a legit massage and full service.
3. I looked on Mileroticos.com and found plenty of escort options, but I was just too nervous to pull it off. My hotel had a security guard at the ground floor entrance. It would have felt funny to try to sneak an obvious escort in. It looks like some of the escorts host in the El Poblado area (Near the park in El Poblado (Calle 10)). I was just too nervous going into an apartment, alone.
My Columbian colleagues told me that it's safe, but if you look like you're a foreigner (which I do), you might be targeted to get robbed in the evening. They said that guys / gangs actively look for tourists leaving nice restaurants / hotels and following them. I was there for 6 days and we walked El Poblado a whole lot. Not once did I feel unsafe. . . . but. . . We were with Columbians and travelled in a large group. At one point, I told the group I was going to walk back to the hotel (4 blocks) at 9 pm and they advised against it. I think I would have been fine, but what do I know. I'm always aware of my surroundings (even at home).
When I was in the hotel elevator, I said 'Hola' to the other person and he told me (sternly) "You don't speak Spanish to me". So there's an element that certainly hates tourists. Truth be told, I hate tourists in my town too, so I can't blame him.
I 'm a little disappointed I didn't get to give it a try, but I wanted to contribute to the forum and thank those that took the time to help me.
...... It's only some foreigners, and especially some posting online that say otherwise.......Its called internet bravado. Anytime I read about some dude saying how brave he is and that he owns a gun and shit I just think that he is in reality probably the most coward and scardy cat person posting. Why would anyone volunteer info about his bravery on an anonymous board if not to escape reality?
MarquisdeSade1
01-23-24, 14:36
"Where did it say that he was a sex tourist?
Is there a subtle psychotic implication somewhere in there that it would be ok if we all kill ourselves? WTF.
ElSexoChino7
01-23-24, 16:17
What places have you stayed, what were the pros and cons of those places? Feel free to PM, I'd love to compile the suggestions and perhaps make it into the "links to reports of distinction" thread.You need to be a subscriber or Senior member to access the private messaging system or else nobody can pm you.
When I was in the hotel elevator, I said 'Hola' to the other person and he told me (sternly) "You don't speak Spanish to me". So there's an element that certainly hates tourists. Truth be told, I hate tourists in my town too, so I can't blame him.This is exactly how I feel when someone tries to come up to me speaking English. Like I didn't spend the last catorce fucking años aprendiendo español for some arrogant smuck to insult my intelligence, estamos en Colombia & aqui hablamos español. That is my fucking opinion and if anyone does speak English to me I usually just fucking ignore them; they're lucky to get a "como, no entiendo digame en español" out of me these days.
Are there any typos or errors Huacho? I'm sitting on top of the washer machine as I type this so it doesn't shake to holy hell during the rinse cycle LOL.
-Gabacho.
TraveLight
01-23-24, 19:50
You need to be a subscriber or Senior member to access the private messaging system or else nobody can pm you.I am subscribed, at least I believe I am.
MarquisdeSade1
01-23-24, 23:58
"Some of us who live here see it differently. In any case, you have to trust your instincts. Also on a more practical level it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to spend money to come to a place that makes you uneasy and afraid of your own shadow. This story has made the rounds of the major American and European media outlets for the past couple of years. I know this because people up north and in Europe who know I live here send me links like the one in your post on a regular basis. Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others. ".
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/world/americas/colombia-dating-apps-sedatives-deaths.html
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Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medellíand, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodríguez for The New York Times.
A Hazard for Visitors to Colombia: 'Devil's Breath'.
Powerful sedatives are behind a spate of violent crimes, USA Officials say. Many victims are Americans in Medellíand who use dating apps.
Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medellíand, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodríguez for The New York Times.
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Steven Valdez thought he recognized the woman in the Medellíand park. Chatting, the two realized they had matched on the dating platform Tinder. They exchanged numbers and made plans.
On their date last spring, he said the woman suggested that he try a typical Colombian dish — a creamy soup called ajiaco. She carried it from a restaurant counter to their table.
He had two spoonfuls, Mr. Valdez, 31, said. "And that's the last thing I remember. ".
Like scores of visitors to the Colombian city last year, Mr. Valdez, a travel blogger, said he was told at the hospital that he had ingested a powerful, potentially fatal cocktail of sedatives, including a drug called scopolamine.
Scopolamine makes its victims black out, and experts say it can also make them unusually open to suggestion — including agreeing to hand over a wallet or reveal passwords.
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American officials are so concerned that they issued a security alert this month about the sedatives and a wave of violent crime targeting visitors to Colombia, especially in the increasingly popular tourist destination of Medellíand, a city of 2. 6 million in a valley of the Andes Mountains.
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The USA Embassy, in a previous security alert, describes scopolamine as an "odorless, tasteless, memory-blocking substance used to incapacitate and rob unwary victims" and warns of using dating applications in Colombia or visiting nightclubs and bars.
Colombian officials say many of the incidents involve the city's sex industry.
"Unfortunately, due to word of mouth, people are identifying that in Medellíand there are pretty girls and you can party really hard at a very low cost," said Carlos Calle, who monitors the tourism industry for the city government. "Criminals are taking advantage of that. ".
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Carlos Calle monitors the tourism industry for the Medellíand city government. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
Since the pandemic, Medellíand has also drawn thousands of digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap Airbnb, and investigators and lawyers say that they, too, are being targeted on mainstream dating platforms like Tinder.
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While deaths are relatively rare, authorities in Medellíand said the number of robberies involving scopolamine and other sedatives has risen sharply in recent years, though the exact number is unknown, since many victims do not go to the police.
"There are people who feel too embarrassed because if they file a report, people will know what they were doing," said Manuel Villa Mejía, the city's security secretary.
Jorge Wilson Vélez, a forensic criminologist who works with victims and their families, said there were likely hundreds of victims last year.
Perpetrators see the robberies as a tax on tourists whom they view as wealthy and in Colombia to prey on women, Mr. Vélez said. The intent is not to kill anybody, he added. "They call it, 'giving the guys something to sleep. '.
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Last year, Medellíand saw 1. 4 million foreign visitors, nearly 40 percent of whom were American, according to city data.
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Tourists in Medellíand's District 13. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
Crimes against American visitors have stirred fears in the expat community. An English-language Facebook group, Colombia Scopolamine Victims & Alerts, has about 3,800 members.
Americans are being hit, Mr. Vélez said, because they're going online "looking for company, a relationship," and especially when they go on dates alone.
Scopolamine, also known as "devil's breath," has been reported elsewhere in Latin America and beyond, with cases popping up from London to Bangkok.
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But the drug's rise in Colombia, and the embassy's warning to Americans, comes as a particular blow to a country trying hard to change its image.
Medellíand, in particular, has struggled to shed associations with drugs, violence and Pablo Escobar. The city has undergone a major transformation since the 1990's, boasting sleek museums, cafes on tree-lined streets, and the country's only metro system. While some criminal gangs remain, the city's homicide rates have plunged.
Crimes targeting tourists may tarnish that rosy picture — but so, too, do the tourists themselves, according to officials and lawyers who represent men targeted by thieves, who say some are treating Medellíand like a lurid playground.
"There's this weird mystique. You come to Medellíand, and the normal rules don't apply," said Alan Gongora, an American lawyer in Medellíand. "Like, anything is possible. '.
Some crime victims said they were just looking for a date.
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Since the pandemic, Medellíand has drawn many digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap stay, and investigators and lawyers say that criminals are targeting them for robberies. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
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During the pandemic, Mr. Valdez left LOS Angeles, where he worked in television production, to travel and work on his blogs, including one called We Like Colombia. He was in Medellíand last May, working and taking bachata lessons, he said, when he opened Tinder to find a dance partner.
After his date with a woman who called herself Luisa, he said he woke up in his Airbnb, alone and unable to stand up. His right leg felt broken.
The police later told him his captors had beat him, likely because he had resisted being robbed, Mr. Valdez said. Hospital blood tests revealed the presence of scopolamine and another drug, clonazepam, a depressant.
He lost his phones, laptop, wallet and about $7,000, he said.
But he felt lucky to be alive.
Mr. Valdez reported the attack, and his date and several others were arrested after trying to use his bank cards to purchase appliances at a store, according to the police.
He tries to keep what happened in perspective. "I've been to Colombia, like, eight times now since the pandemic," said Mr. Valdez, who now lives in Puerto Rico. "I've seen organized crime is rampant because prices are going so high over there. You know, the regular citizens can't afford it. ".
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Criminal groups that lure victims through dating platforms are typically small, unaffiliated crews from poor neighborhoods, investigators in Medellíand said.
One 42-year-old man from New York recalled being drugged by a Tinder date who served him a rum and coke that he said knocked him out for 24 hours.
She stole his electronic devices, silver jewelry, a bank card and cash. "I thought I had lost everything," said the man, who asked to go by his initials, are. J. , to protect future job prospects. But his passport and IDs were right where he had hidden them. A police report viewed by The Times corroborated details of the crime.
Leaving a passport, investigators said, is a signature of these crimes — meant to encourage victims to leave without reporting the robbery or pressing charges.
Image.
An aerial view of a crowded hillscape in Medellíand, Colombia.
District 13, a neighborhood popular with visitors in Medellíand. The city received 1. 4 million tourists last year, nearly 40 percent from the United States. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
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Some thieves can be sophisticated.
In December, a young German scientist touring Latin America and posting videos under the name Dr. Travel said he was robbed in Medellíand by a woman he was "chatting with" after joining her and her friend for a meal.
He drank a pink soda, he said in a video, and later awoke to find his wallet and phone gone. His phone's tracking function was deactivated, his Apple ID password changed and his bank account drained. Holdings in several cryptocurrency exchanges were sold, the funds moved to other crypto wallets.
He lost more than $16,000, he said. Attempts to reach the man were unsuccessful.
Scopolamine has long been used to treat motion sickness and nausea, but became popular in larger doses around three decades ago as a recreational drug and to commit crimes, said Guillermo Castaño, a senior investigator for Colombia's science ministry.
Around 10 years ago, criminals in Colombia started using it to target tourists, Dr. Castaño said, often mixing it with benzodiazepines, depressants that typically treat insomnia and anxiety, to further incapacitate victims.
In a widely publicized case, Paul Nguyen, a 27-year-old from California, was fatally drugged by a Tinder date in Medellíand in late 2022, his body found near a dumpster. An autopsy determined he had been drugged with clonazepam, which, combined with alcohol, had caused his death.
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His date and several accomplices were arrested and are now on trial, tracked down with the help of a photo of the woman that Mr. Nguyen posted on Snapchat before he disappeared.
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A woman in a white jacket stares down at her cellphone.
Paul Nguyen took a photo of his companion on a Tinder date in Medellíand during which the authorities said he was drugged with clonazepam.
Medellíand authorities have said stopping the attacks is a top priority. Four people were recently arrested in connection with the murder of another American tourist who may have met a date online.
Still, arrests are rare.
Mr. Nguyen's mother, Kimberly Dao, said the family had to hire Mr. Vélez, the investigator, to push the police to pursue the case.
For Ms. Dao, the USA Embassy alert about online dating in Colombia is a sign the issue is being taken seriously — though she wished it had come sooner.
If it had, she said, "I would beg him, I would not let him go. ".
...At one point, I told the group I was going to walk back to the hotel (4 blocks) at 9 pm and they advised against it. I think I would have been fine, but what do I know. I'm always aware of my surroundings (even at home)..That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel.
.. until you run out of luck. ....
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-24, 03:27
"That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel. ".
That asian comedian that just got killed told his friends and family he never felt unsafe in MDE, ok seriously really?
Someone referenced the Hurt Locker recently.
I can remember watching the Russian Roulette scene in the Deer Hunter in a theatre in the 70's.
I can just imagine these guys arent going out with any glory!!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/russian-roulette-in-deer-hunter/
I reached out to a few of the seniors here and narrowed down my stay to hotel M, especially after chatting with DiscoverFL, his insights were very helpful to me as a first timer.
I filled out the check-mig online prior to the trip. Make sure you do it because when I tried to go through gate with my digital boarding pass the gate agent sent me to another agent at the gate counter. They checked the passport and check-mig (on my phone) and issued a paper boarding pass which is their way of confirming that documents are ok.
It took me an hour and 15 minutes to complete the Immigration at Medellin because of the number of people waiting in front of me. But once an officer called me to their counter, it did not take more 2 minutes. No immigration fees for US passport holders.
I used the ATM at the airport and took out 300,000 COP, the exchange rate I got was 3. 45 which is one of the worst exchange rates in Medellin IMO, but it is still slightly better than the rate you get at the money exchange counters at the airport, on that day it was 3. 2.
I took a yellow cab to El Poblado, I asked for the charge before getting in the cab. It was 110,000 COP. I turned on the GPS on my phone before getting in so I could follow the route. But later found out that hotel M arranges airport pickup for similar charges. That's probably a better option, IMO.
The hotel is outdated, and the rooms could use new furniture, especially when you consider the room charges, but the hotel management and staff more than make up for this downside. I bugged them with so many newbie type requests every single day of my stay, but they helped me with everything with a smile. They have a decent breakfast that is included with the stay. I believe you tip extra for additional guests. The room has a safe box and I was able my keep my laptop (small 13 inches laptop anything bigger would be an issue), passport, CCs, cash in it. They don't have keycards for the room, just physical keys, it is a minor downside. The wifi was not great.
The girls hang out near the pool area in the afternoons and evenings and the adjacent bar opens at 7 pm I believe, the girls would start rolling in there. No entrance fee if you stay in M. I went there on a Saturday around 11 PM, there were about 25 girls. Sunday is their slowest day, I heard. I was pleasantly surprised with the quality. There were so many young, fit, and beautiful girls. Girls generally don't come to you unless you smile and exchange pleasantries. Some girls like to dance if you are tipping. Some like to sit with in groups. Neither the girls nor bartender pushed me for drinks. Corona was 18,000 COP (5). I was able to meet up with DiscoverFL at the bar. If you like a girl, make eye contact and when she is with you, you start the conversation about the "date". It is better to discuss the service details upfront IMO because it is legal there and avoids any confusion and upsells. The going rate for a "date" is 300,000 to 350,000 COP depending on the girl. I believe overnight rates are higher which I didn't partake in. I tried a couple of girls from the bar, I had a great experience. No clock watchers. Service included DFK, BBJ, DATY, CFS. Not sure about the multiple pops but the girls didn't get up from the bed until I was ready to hit the shower (these days I'm a one-shot guy). They even let me take some pictures (non-nude).
I also had a couple of girls from Seeking but the quality was not any better and rates were higher but nothing like the prices we pay here in the US. Honestly in hindsight it was a waste of time. Between Lleras park (I didn't go this time but I heard the prices would be lot better), hotel bar, Mileroticos we have many options there.
The hotel checks and records the IDs of all the guests including the girls from the bar. They don't check with the guests if everything was ok before letting the girls out, which I think would be a great addition of a new service if they consider do it. But then they have cameras all over and they would have the girl's information if something were to happen. That should deter anybody thinking of doing any funny business.
Starbucks, two casinos, ATMs, many different restaurants (I think I saw a Holiday Inn also) all within 3 minutes of walking distance from the hotel. One night I walked back from the casino at 2 AM. Not a smart choice on my part but I didn't sense any threat. I may not do that again though. It is a busy area till 10 PM. I filled out the check mig for the return flight, but nobody checked. Colombian girls are very beautiful and I'm already itching to plan my next trip.
If this link dump supposed to be a call to debate or a request to be talked into coming to Medellin, I'm not that guy. As the case may be, to save everyone some time, I agree with you that it is unacceptably dangerous here and you should go away or stay away and not return.
"Some of us who live here see it differently. In any case, you have to trust your instincts. Also on a more practical level it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to spend money to come to a place that makes you uneasy and afraid of your own shadow. This story has made the rounds of the major American and European media outlets for the past couple of years. I know this because people up north and in Europe who know I live here send me links like the one in your post on a regular basis. Whenever I am traveling and I mention to someone that I live in Colombia, more often than not they ask me "is it safe?" My stock response is "it's a city of two million plus people so crime is a problem and you have to take precautions. " The real answer is of course that yes it is safe for some and no it is not safe for some others. ".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beuuMAvZvbM
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/23/world/americas/colombia-dating-apps-sedatives-deaths.html
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Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medelland, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodrguez for The New York Times.
A Hazard for Visitors to Colombia: 'Devil's Breath'.
Powerful sedatives are behind a spate of violent crimes, USA Officials say. Many victims are Americans in Medelland who use dating apps.
Steven Valdez, 31, at his home in San Juan, Puerto Rico. The travel blogger was drugged and robbed last year in Medelland, Colombia, after meeting a date on Tinder. Credit. Erika P. Rodrguez for The New York Times.
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Steven Valdez thought he recognized the woman in the Medelland park. Chatting, the two realized they had matched on the dating platform Tinder. They exchanged numbers and made plans.
On their date last spring, he said the woman suggested that he try a typical Colombian dish a creamy soup called ajiaco. She carried it from a restaurant counter to their table.
He had two spoonfuls, Mr. Valdez, 31, said. "And that's the last thing I remember. ".
Like scores of visitors to the Colombian city last year, Mr. Valdez, a travel blogger, said he was told at the hospital that he had ingested a powerful, potentially fatal cocktail of sedatives, including a drug called scopolamine.
Scopolamine makes its victims black out, and experts say it can also make them unusually open to suggestion including agreeing to hand over a wallet or reveal passwords.
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American officials are so concerned that they issued a security alert this month about the sedatives and a wave of violent crime targeting visitors to Colombia, especially in the increasingly popular tourist destination of Medelland, a city of 2. 6 million in a valley of the Andes Mountains.
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The USA Embassy, in a previous security alert, describes scopolamine as an "odorless, tasteless, memory-blocking substance used to incapacitate and rob unwary victims" and warns of using dating applications in Colombia or visiting nightclubs and bars.
Colombian officials say many of the incidents involve the city's sex industry.
"Unfortunately, due to word of mouth, people are identifying that in Medelland there are pretty girls and you can party really hard at a very low cost," said Carlos Calle, who monitors the tourism industry for the city government. "Criminals are taking advantage of that. ".
ImageA man with a mustache and beard, wearing a black T-shirt, looks out a window. A residential neighborhood across the street can be seen in its reflection.
Carlos Calle monitors the tourism industry for the Medelland city government. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
Since the pandemic, Medelland has also drawn thousands of digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap Airbnb, and investigators and lawyers say that they, too, are being targeted on mainstream dating platforms like Tinder.
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Tinder did not respond to a request for comment.
While deaths are relatively rare, authorities in Medelland said the number of robberies involving scopolamine and other sedatives has risen sharply in recent years, though the exact number is unknown, since many victims do not go to the police.
"There are people who feel too embarrassed because if they file a report, people will know what they were doing," said Manuel Villa Meja, the city's security secretary.
Jorge Wilson Vlez, a forensic criminologist who works with victims and their families, said there were likely hundreds of victims last year.
Perpetrators see the robberies as a tax on tourists whom they view as wealthy and in Colombia to prey on women, Mr. Vlez said. The intent is not to kill anybody, he added. "They call it, 'giving the guys something to sleep. '.
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Last year, Medelland saw 1. 4 million foreign visitors, nearly 40 percent of whom were American, according to city data.
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Tourists in Medelland's District 13. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
Crimes against American visitors have stirred fears in the expat community. An English-language Facebook group, Colombia Scopolamine Victims & Alerts, has about 3,800 members.
Americans are being hit, Mr. Vlez said, because they're going online "looking for company, a relationship," and especially when they go on dates alone.
Scopolamine, also known as "devil's breath," has been reported elsewhere in Latin America and beyond, with cases popping up from London to Bangkok.
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But the drug's rise in Colombia, and the embassy's warning to Americans, comes as a particular blow to a country trying hard to change its image.
Medelland, in particular, has struggled to shed associations with drugs, violence and Pablo Escobar. The city has undergone a major transformation since the 1990's, boasting sleek museums, cafes on tree-lined streets, and the country's only metro system. While some criminal gangs remain, the city's homicide rates have plunged.
Crimes targeting tourists may tarnish that rosy picture but so, too, do the tourists themselves, according to officials and lawyers who represent men targeted by thieves, who say some are treating Medelland like a lurid playground.
"There's this weird mystique. You come to Medelland, and the normal rules don't apply," said Alan Gongora, an American lawyer in Medelland. "Like, anything is possible. '.
Some crime victims said they were just looking for a date.
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A man looks at his mobile phone, his laptop open and perched on a bar in front of him.
Since the pandemic, Medelland has drawn many digital nomads seeking cultural immersion and a cheap stay, and investigators and lawyers say that criminals are targeting them for robberies. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
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During the pandemic, Mr. Valdez left LOS Angeles, where he worked in television production, to travel and work on his blogs, including one called We Like Colombia. He was in Medelland last May, working and taking bachata lessons, he said, when he opened Tinder to find a dance partner.
After his date with a woman who called herself Luisa, he said he woke up in his Airbnb, alone and unable to stand up. His right leg felt broken.
The police later told him his captors had beat him, likely because he had resisted being robbed, Mr. Valdez said. Hospital blood tests revealed the presence of scopolamine and another drug, clonazepam, a depressant.
He lost his phones, laptop, wallet and about $7,000, he said.
But he felt lucky to be alive.
Mr. Valdez reported the attack, and his date and several others were arrested after trying to use his bank cards to purchase appliances at a store, according to the police.
He tries to keep what happened in perspective. "I've been to Colombia, like, eight times now since the pandemic," said Mr. Valdez, who now lives in Puerto Rico. "I've seen organized crime is rampant because prices are going so high over there. You know, the regular citizens can't afford it. ".
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Criminal groups that lure victims through dating platforms are typically small, unaffiliated crews from poor neighborhoods, investigators in Medelland said.
One 42-year-old man from New York recalled being drugged by a Tinder date who served him a rum and coke that he said knocked him out for 24 hours.
She stole his electronic devices, silver jewelry, a bank card and cash. "I thought I had lost everything," said the man, who asked to go by his initials, are. J. , to protect future job prospects. But his passport and IDs were right where he had hidden them. A police report viewed by The Times corroborated details of the crime.
Leaving a passport, investigators said, is a signature of these crimes meant to encourage victims to leave without reporting the robbery or pressing charges.
Image.
An aerial view of a crowded hillscape in Medelland, Colombia.
District 13, a neighborhood popular with visitors in Medelland. The city received 1. 4 million tourists last year, nearly 40 percent from the United States. Credit. Federico Rios for The New York Times.
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Some thieves can be sophisticated.
In December, a young German scientist touring Latin America and posting videos under the name Dr. Travel said he was robbed in Medelland by a woman he was "chatting with" after joining her and her friend for a meal.
He drank a pink soda, he said in a video, and later awoke to find his wallet and phone gone. His phone's tracking function was deactivated, his Apple ID password changed and his bank account drained. Holdings in several cryptocurrency exchanges were sold, the funds moved to other crypto wallets.
He lost more than $16,000, he said. Attempts to reach the man were unsuccessful.
Scopolamine has long been used to treat motion sickness and nausea, but became popular in larger doses around three decades ago as a recreational drug and to commit crimes, said Guillermo Castao, a senior investigator for Colombia's science ministry.
Around 10 years ago, criminals in Colombia started using it to target tourists, Dr. Castao said, often mixing it with benzodiazepines, depressants that typically treat insomnia and anxiety, to further incapacitate victims.
In a widely publicized case, Paul Nguyen, a 27-year-old from California, was fatally drugged by a Tinder date in Medelland in late 2022, his body found near a dumpster. An autopsy determined he had been drugged with clonazepam, which, combined with alcohol, had caused his death.
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His date and several accomplices were arrested and are now on trial, tracked down with the help of a photo of the woman that Mr. Nguyen posted on Snapchat before he disappeared.
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A woman in a white jacket stares down at her cellphone.
Paul Nguyen took a photo of his companion on a Tinder date in Medelland during which the authorities said he was drugged with clonazepam.
Medelland authorities have said stopping the attacks is a top priority. Four people were recently arrested in connection with the murder of another American tourist who may have met a date online.
Still, arrests are rare.
Mr. Nguyen's mother, Kimberly Dao, said the family had to hire Mr. Vlez, the investigator, to push the police to pursue the case.
For Ms. Dao, the USA Embassy alert about online dating in Colombia is a sign the issue is being taken seriously though she wished it had come sooner.
If it had, she said, "I would beg him, I would not let him go. ".
It is a big safety advantage to understand that regardless of the location, stick up boys will absolutely take advantage of any opportunity to get the jump on somebody who is alone. Even for a moment. In an isolated or dark area. They will typically work as a team and often on a motorcycle for quick escape. You really have to be on guard when you are in that situation and it's better to move out of that kind of area as quickly as you can. They guy who got himself killed trying to rob people in Milla de Oro food court just days ago is a good example of that kind desperado behavior.
That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel.
This is exactly how I feel when someone tries to come up to me speaking English. Like I didn't spend the last catorce fucking aos aprendiendo espaol for some arrogant smuck to insult my intelligence, estamos en Colombia & aqui hablamos espaol. That is my fucking opinion and if anyone does speak English to me I usually just fucking ignore them; they're lucky to get a "como, no entiendo digame en espaol" out of me these days.
Are there any typos or errors Huacho? I'm sitting on top of the washer machine as I type this so it doesn't shake to holy hell during the rinse cycle LOL.
-Gabacho.I would not use the progressive 'aprendiendo' because it does not function as a gerund in Spanish. I would say 'en aprender. '.
I would not use the progressive 'aprendiendo' because it does not function as a gerund in Spanish. I would say 'en aprender. '.Thanks for your input. When people ask how long I've been learning Spanish I usually say something like "llevo X años aprendiendo español" and I've never had anyone not understand me or correct me, but thanks for your input.
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-24, 06:26
"That area is safe but. There is randomness in it which is what you didn't feel. ".
That asian comedian that just got killed told his friends and family he never felt unsafe in MDE, ok seriously really?
Someone referenced the Hurt Locker recently.
I can remember watching the Russian Roulette scene in the Deer Hunter in a theatre in the 70's.
I can just imagine these guys arent going out with any glory!!
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/russian-roulette-in-deer-hunter/".
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scopolamine+queen.
If this link dump supposed to be a call to debate or a request to be talked into coming to Medellin, I'm not that guy. As the case may be, to save everyone some time, I agree with you that it is unacceptably dangerous here and you should go away or stay away and not return.For guys who are fearful about crime in Medellin, I agree that you should not come. Guys who enjoy Medellin aren't going to try to convince you to come to Medellin. We don't care whether you come or not. In fact, like many guys, I prefer that less guys come to Colombia because it is getting too popular. I have a few friends who will never visit Colombia due to the safety issues and I don't make any effort to try to convince them otherwise.
Colombia is more dangerous than a lot of other mongering countries such as Thailand, the Philippines, Costa Rica or even Mexico. I don't think that many people would disagree. For guys who visit, it is just a matter of managing risk and being more careful.
I reached out to a few of the seniors here and narrowed down my stay to hotel M, especially after chatting with DiscoverFL, his insights were very helpful to me as a first timer.
I filled out the check-mig online prior to the trip. Make sure you do it because when I tried to go through gate with my digital boarding pass the gate agent sent me to another agent at the gate counter. They checked the passport and check-mig (on my phone) and issued a paper boarding pass which is their way of confirming that documents are ok.
It took me an hour and 15 minutes to complete the Immigration at Medellin because of the number of people waiting in front of me. But once an officer called me to their counter, it did not take more 2 minutes. No immigration fees for US passport holders.
I used the ATM at the airport and took out 300,000 COP, the exchange rate I got was 3. 45 which is one of the worst exchange rates in Medellin IMO, but it is still slightly better than the rate you get at the money exchange counters at the airport, on that day it was 3. 2..Hotel M is a good bet for first timers. The girls are known by the hotel and the hotel can probably track down any girl giving you trouble. However, the girls won't try anything because they know that the hotel knows who they are. Plenty of choices at the bar and pool. I think it is a good place to start for newbies. Some guys don't move from there at all. There are also a lot of other mongers who are willing to chat with you and share info.
I didn't start out at Hotel M because I felt comfortable on my own but I have been doing this for a while. Hotel M is not the cheapest or best hotel to stay but it has some advantages.
Thanks for your input. When people ask how long I've been learning Spanish I usually say something like "llevo X aos aprendiendo espaol" and I've never had anyone not understand me or correct me, but thanks for your input.Certainly they would understand the progressive tense. But for example, to say something like "reading is good" or "learning is good," that's the infinitive. "Leer es bueno. " Basically in Spanish, to use the progressive, the action has to be in progress at that moment. If I'm asked what I am doing in Colombia, it's not "Estoy estudiando" but rather the simple indicative, "Estudio. " because I'm not studying at that exact moment. And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish. And as far as how long you've been studying, "hace X años que ESTUDestudioIO."
Certainly they would understand the progressive tense. But for example, to say something like "reading is good" or "learning is good," that's the infinitive. "Leer es bueno. " Basically in Spanish, to use the progressive, the action has to be in progress at that moment. If I'm asked what I am doing in Colombia, it's not "Estoy estudiando" but rather the simple indicative, "Estudio. " because I'm not studying at that exact moment. And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish. And as far as how long you've been studying, "hace X aos que ESTUDestudioIO."Yea I would never say "leyendo es bueno" that just sounds wrong. I would say something like "es bueno leer" (it is good to read). So the correct answer if someone asks me how long I've been learning Spanish is to say "llevo X años en aprender español"? Next time I'm talking with an indriver or something I'll try saying it that way instead.
Gracias Maestro Huacho.
Mr Enternational
01-25-24, 19:09
And Colombians aren't going to correct your Spanish.Strangers won't, but friends will.
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