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Joe Capitano
02-12-08, 10:06
I will be in Minsk next week. I'd like to know if the girls in Minsklove.net are with real pictures or just fake. Do theyu speak English?
Do you have experience with any sauna/massage salon in Minsk?
Many thanks
I am going to Belarus this summer and I need a girl with whom I can practice russian (and maybe have sex). Does anybody know what to do in order to make my dreams come through?
I am dating now a girl from Belarus.There are lots of differences from Ukrainian girls. Other style. Difficult to go into details. I will try to come to Belarus and write a full report.
For first time after USSR separation the wages in Belarus and Ukraine are the same.They were in March 800000 Br in Belarus which is 375$ and 1700 grivnya in Ukraine which is also 375$.All the years between 1991-2007 Belarus wages stood higher,they were 1-2 years before ukrainian.Now they stand at exactly the same levels.
If we take into account that 90% of people in Belarus work for state owned enterprises and shadow economy is lower than in Ukraine and that in Minsk there are allegedely a lot less rich people than in Kiev,we can draw the proper conclusions regarding comparative girls' availability between the two countries.
Add to that 60-70% atheists in Belarus compared to 40% atheists in Ukraine.
Bez Bezarra
05-29-08, 03:07
wages in Belarus and Ukraine are 375$.
If we take into account we can draw the proper conclusions regarding girls.
60-70% atheists in Belarus 40% atheists in Ukraine.
I guess you're saying that athiests are more available than Orthodox?
Ok, well, I'd like to take some other factors into account. If you look at it from a pre-FSU/USSR viewpoint, then Minsk doesn't add up. Because with a population of 1.7 million, its the fourth biggest city, after Moscow, St.Pitr, and Kiev. But escort services, agencies, and the whole p4p scene is practically non-existent in Minsk. There are many smaller Russian cities with 10 times the p4p scene that Minsk has, and it don't make sense. Unless you want to conclude that they're still so tightly controlled, that the mafia has never been able to expand p4p business there, like they have in Russian cities. I'm not saying they have NO business, I'm saying its VERY limited.
Where there's money to be made, they ain't usually shy about it, so that leads to thinking that there ISN"T money to be made? in the pussy and blow job supply business? So does that imply that the men in Minsk ARE ALL FAGS? Or just broke? That doesn't make sense either, since the price for an hour was about $40, (back in 2004).
I guess you're saying that athiests are more available than Orthodox?
Ok, well, I'd like to take some other factors into account. If you look at it from a pre-FSU/USSR viewpoint, then Minsk doesn't add up. Because with a population of 1.7 million, its the fourth biggest city, after Moscow, St.Pitr, and Kiev. But escort services, agencies, and the whole p4p scene is practically non-existent in Minsk. There are many smaller Russian cities with 10 times the p4p scene that Minsk has, and it don't make sense. Unless you want to conclude that they're still so tightly controlled, that the mafia has never been able to expand p4p business there, like they have in Russian cities. I'm not saying they have NO business, I'm saying its VERY limited.
Where there's money to be made, they ain't usually shy about it, so that leads to thinking that there ISN"T money to be made? in the pussy and blow job supply business? So does that imply that the men in Minsk ARE ALL FAGS? Or just broke? That doesn't make sense either, since the price for an hour was about $40, (back in 2004).Yes p4p is rather limited. All belarus girls say the same. One told me she could not find any pro for her male friend in Minsk. It is difficult.
What I wrote was about freebies. That there is likely high availability due to lack of many rich people as it is the case in Kiev. Belarus girls confirmed that. It is known to them that in Kiev there are a lot of rich people while in Belarus there are very few rich people and most people have equal, low wages that allow them to survive.
The atheist factor has to do with girls' promiscuity. They are officially categorized as orthodox but in reality they are atheists. Church has more influence in Ukraine.
The problem with Belarus is the visa because Belarus embassies are not in every country and the high expenses for flight because the regional Belavia has very few destinations unlike Aerosvit,so one has to rely on european airlines like Lufthansa,LOT,Austrian Airlines.Air Baltic has also started recently cheap flights to Minsk.
The problem with Belarus is the visa because Belarus embassies are not in every country and the high expenses for flight because the regional Belavia has very few destinations unlike Aerosvit,so one has to rely on european airlines like Lufthansa,LOT,Austrian Airlines.Air Baltic has also started recently cheap flights to Minsk.Hello,
For Swiss nationality is possible to get a Visa in the airport there? How much would this cost? . Ands flats or hotels currents rates?
The problem with Belarus is the visa because Belarus embassies are not in every country and the high expenses for flight because the regional Belavia has very few destinations unlike Aerosvit,so one has to rely on european airlines like Lufthansa,LOT,Austrian Airlines.Air Baltic has also started recently cheap flights to Minsk.For Swiss nationality is possible to get the visa in the local airport? how much would this cost? And the current rates for appartments or hotels 3 or 4 stars?
Thanks
Revolver Held
06-01-08, 15:41
For Swiss nationality is possible to get the visa in the local airport? how much would this cost? And the current rates for appartments or hotels 3 or 4 stars?
Thanksexpress visa at the minsk airport will cost 115 EUR.
Hotel - single room starts at approximately 50 EUR, twin room starts at 80 EUR. but donīt expect too much.
http://de.semiramistour.com/Angebote/Hotel/Stadt_Minsk/hotelliste.html
Cream on Top
06-05-08, 08:30
According to the Ministry Of Statistics the average salary in the first quarter of 2007 is 615500 BRB or approximately 288 USD. More information is available at the Ministry's web site at http://belstat.gov.by/homep/en/indicators/current1.php
According to the Ministry Of Statistics the average salary in the first quarter of 2007 is 615500 BRB or approximately 288 USD. More information is available at the Ministry's web site at http://belstat.gov.by/homep/en/indicators/current1.phpYes,
but now it is June 2008 and the average salary has reached 800000 Br or 375$.
I will be in here from Wednesday onwards
Does nayone have information on next items.
1. Girls
2. Hotels
3. Bars
4. Food
Does anyone know some good (and preferrably free) Belarus dating websites? And Do you guys also know some things about nightlife in other big cities like Grodno and Gomel? I can find info about Minsk but not about these other cities.
thanx
In my quest for more info about Belarus I found the following stuff. I will be in Belarus this summer.
About clubs in Minsk and other cities in Belarus (and other good info):
http://eng.belarustourism.by/catalog/196.html
A nice documentary about it's current political climate and life:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_slkSLuOf8
A video from some 49 year old Belgian mongerer that shows his version why you should visit Belarus. Nice vid of girls in the streets of Belarus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAVYK4bD_t4
Hey Worldbank, do not keep your hopes high.
Some dude posted video of girls in Minsk so what?
Don't think they will run after you.
Generally, Belarus is not a place for mongering or p4p.
As you can see for yourself there are many times less reports on Belarus than on Russia or Ukraine.
Even those guys who announce their plans about trip to Belarus later don't give any reports. Why? Because they did nothing.
Also visa for Belarus is usually more complicated to get and cost is higher.
Since you're from EU much better choice is Ukraine - you don't need visa, mongering is better, and usually it can be cheaper than in Belarus.
Hey Worldbank, do not keep your hopes high.
Some dude posted video of girls in Minsk so what?
Don't think they will run after you.
Generally, Belarus is not a place for mongering or p4p.
As you can see for yourself there are many times less reports on Belarus than on Russia or Ukraine.
Even those guys who announce their plans about trip to Belarus later don't give any reports. Why? Because they did nothing.
Also visa for Belarus is usually more complicated to get and cost is higher.
Since you're from EU much better choice is Ukraine. You don't need visa, mongering is better, and usually it can be cheaper than in Belarus.
Hey Worldbank, do not keep your hopes high.
Some dude posted video of girls in Minsk so what?
Don't think they will run after you.
Generally, Belarus is not a place for mongering or p4p.
As you can see for yourself there are many times less reports on Belarus than on Russia or Ukraine.
Even those guys who announce their plans about trip to Belarus later don't give any reports. Why? Because they did nothing and personally see Belarus is not a place for mongering or p4p.
Also visa for Belarus is usually more complicated to get and cost is higher.
Since you're from EU much better choice is Ukraine - you don't need visa, mongering is better, and usually it can be cheaper than in Belarus.
He Kurenda,
Thanks for the tips! I will definitely reconsider my trip to Belarus. I will probably go to Belarus, Ukraine or Moldova this summer. I'm gonna inform my friends about it, because you might be right. For some countries there are hardly any reports and a lot more for some other countries. Visa is definitely some stupid administrative paperwork I can skip when going to some coutry that wants to join EU.
No problem Worldbank.
It looks you are thinking which country to visit: Belarus, Moldova or Ukraine.
Belarus needs visa, mongering here (no matter is it freebies or p4p) offers very limited opportunity, Minsk basically sucks (night life is very limited), and other cities are not worth mentioning.
For Moldova you don't need visa, you could be limited to capital only, mongering scene is fine. But many people describe capital Chisinau as too expencive for what it has to offer.
Also if you plant to come to Belarus or Moldova by plane, ticket is expencive because you're moslty limited to flights of their local companies.
So it leaves you to Ukraine which is the best option from all three countrise.
You don't need visa, many flights from EU, mongering scene is much better (for freebies or p4p), many places for staying with wide ranges of prices, many options for the night time. Kiev is the best option of course, also there is Odessa. Other places are not worth mentioning.
If I need to compare Kiev and Minsk then it would be like 10 points to Kiev and 1 point to Minsk.
If it's your first time in FSU the best option is Kiev. Compare all the reports here on ISG about Kiev, Minsk and Chisinau and it will be easy to make final decision.
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Felix Nordic
02-27-09, 21:32
Just because I have not written any report doesnt mean it is a catastrophe in Belarus or Minsk. It is not a miracle why I visit this country again and again. And it is not me being plain stupid, going to the same river fishing again and again without any results.
As has been said many times before on this forum, your results in the 21st century is primarily the result of hard work. Also to take into consideration is your own personal pick up skills and in few cases your looks. The days are gone when you could simply flash a western passport to get laid. That is the same all over east Europe nowadays.
During my 12 days in my last trip to Belarus I felt the clock has been reversed. You could definetely feel the harsh economical times and many people talked about it. A lot of people had a hard time finding even a porly paid job. There was also less foreign and local competition for the girls. All in all I had my best hunting trip ever. It might be luck, or a combination of luck and hard work together with the poor times. I dated 12 girls in total. I shagged 8 of these girls. 6 out of 8 girls shagged on the first date. All freebies! 4 of these girls rate at least 8 on my meeter! I can not complain ;)
Would I go to Belarus again? Ohh, h-ll yes!! Would I recommend it to the new mongerer wannabee thinking all east European girls spread their legs for a foreigner? No, I would not. You got to learn how to crawl before you can walk. Some russian language skills helps, know-how about how the east european girls think and being charming in general. Forgot to mention that it does help if you know how cook a romantic dinner;)
Most of the contacts I made through internet. There are down sides of Belarus as well of course. It is kind of hard to pick up girls in discos and take them home for the night. It has never happened to me on the first night in Belarus. I have done that in Russia... Creating good contacts with girls from different internet sites is a must. Be sure to have 3 times as many girls as you possibly can date! Over book and dump when you have to! Belarus is also rather expensive. I would say more expensive than Moldova.
It is not that hard after all, but it aint a walk in the candy shop either.
Lastly, I would go to Belarus any given day if I had the choice to go to there or Ukraine. Different mongerers likes different countries... and conditions!
Below is how it should look like when Julia 22 (8) visit you, and when she is in your shower.
Cheers,
Felix
Nice info Felix.
I only wanted to say if someone just arrived in Minsk and hope to have good mongering sucess. Well this most probably will not be the case.
In my opinion your good time is the result of hard work. It is obvious you had to put some time in internet work. Most people couldn't do that and Russian language is also the problem.
For me it is different since I live in Belarus most part of the year. Just back after four months and will go back soon. I know a lot of people here and it is easy to make contact with girls of various types and qualities.
Since last year I noticed some interesting things. There are more and more girls riping off the foreigners in various ways. Many girls arrive here from Russia like in Moscow and posing for local girls. Personally, Azeri girl who arrived from Moscow tried to scam me pretending to be a local Minsk girl.
Local names for them is "piranha" or "baraccuda" depending for how long she will rip you off. Fast or slow.
About Belarus as expencive place that's depend what you want. If you want to stay in western style hotel and having western time then it's expencive. But if you're satisfied with domestic and local style then it's not that bad. I'm often out of Minsk, in other towns in Belarus. It's cheaper than in Minsk but also much harder for a foreigner.
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Hi Felix. Inspiring post indeed.
I understand your reticence for reporting about Minsk. I am currently in Tashkent and can see no advantage in over-advertizing such a great place to the whole mongering world.
Seeing the pathetic pricks self-proclaimed experts now trolling the Moldova threads doesn't really incite to post about new favorable hunting grounds.
Anyhow ..maybe one day we'll meet in Minsk to chase in clubs together ..it's tempting ...even if I must admit that Tashkent is definitely my new favorite city in FSU. :)
Miki Beinspired
03-01-09, 00:30
Hi city hunters
I'll be in misnk the first week of may, already booked all about my trip! So could you give me me please some tips about the place where it' ll be easy to found a nice girls. May be pub for students, or semi pro?
All the best.
No doubt, brother.
EVERYONE should go to Minsk, at least once. It should be on the
required list of all slavic mongerers destinations.Hello all,
Have to go to Minsk in 2 weeks for 3 days so am currently doing the research here. Seems quiet enough judging from reports read so far, but always up for the challenge, I'll try to get 1 pre-arranged freebie, 1 P4P and 1 result from a club.
Have the 1st 2 items covered I hope but yet to decide on which club to hit. Any current advice would be appreciated.
Using www.singles.ru (AKA Mamba/mail.ru etc) and seems promising. P4P will probably be a 3some for 2x$100 for the night which sounds good to me. 3 choices so far, all in the 20-25 year old range and attractive. Freebies seem promising but as learnt from here, there are no guarantees. The club result will have to rely on skills acquired in Kiev but it seems to be different so I'll be studying Felix Nordics methods))
As always, full report after, success or failure no matter.
IL
Irish, about the clubs check Alcatraz, Overtime and Night Star.
They are situated in very center of the town.
But since you'll stay just for 3 days it will be hard to have good sucess with freebies. And especially in the clubs. More time is needed for this.
The clubs can be a problem if you'll be there on the week day since clubs tend to be a little dead then. Most clubs open at 23:00 but people tend to arrive only 2-3 hours later. Be aware of piranhas and baraccudas, there are plenty of them operating there.
Thanks Kurenda,
Learnt how to swim with sharks in Odessa so should be alright with these species))
Clubbing will be a Friday or Saturday and will follow your advice. What does one do from 11 to 1 in Minsk? Any hotel bars? Irish bars? IS there even a small pub culture in Minsk?
IL
Irish,
Good to know you learned to swim with shark in Odessa.
But in Minsk you will probably see piranhas and baraccudas from Moscow probably and some will found their way from Chisinau or even Baku!
Pay attention about one thing. Minsk goes to sleep early. During weekdays almost everything closed down at 22:00 and at the evening and at weekend at 23:00. This is the time when those night clubs open but they start to fill few hours later. The best tactic is to appear there at 01 AM and stay as like or had enough. They usually close at 06 AM.
Also important to know city transport is closed by midnight so then you'll have to deal with taxi mafia as usal in FSU.
What does one do from 11 to 1 in Minsk? This is a tricky question really. Most places will be closed by that time. If the weather permits check out the outdoor scene. Any park, square, open space (especially around main street) will be full of people who hang out and drink there. Most people are not ready to pay high price for entering the night clubs. Plenty of nice girls can be found there. But mostly hard to have any success. Hardly any of them will be alone but with their boyfriends, girlfriends, generally in the crowd. You will need Russian language and to be tolerant of drunken youth also. And police likes to check the situation quite often.
My advice when landing in night clubs. Forget about local girls but hunt for the foreign ones! It last 3 months I stayed in Minsk I didn't scored with any local girl but had great success with foreign girls. Girls from Bulgaria, Turkey, Germany, Danemark, Lithuania, China, Syria, Iran, Libia, Venezuela and USA.
Little luck and little work and you're on. Not difficult to spot them they are usally in crowds of 5-6 (local girls are in smaller groups 2-3) language is not a problem also. German girls are in the spot since at the end of last year more than 60 german girls age 19-30 arrived in Minsk to stay 6-12 months as volunteers or some crap.
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Kurenda. You make Minsk look like a very cosmopolitan, worldly capital the likes of London or New York where one can find females of any nationality. Is it really so? Most mongers think of going to Belarus because it seems like an isolated, secluded country in Europe, that has strict Visa requirements.
You really surprise me!
Also, what you wrote dissapoints me. Here is a monger that spent 3 whole months in Belarus, couldn't get laid with the local women and had to deal with West Europen women (Denmark, Germany)and Arab women (Syria; lebanon)to get some sex! I already knew from other reports that Belarus women where hard to get in the sack. But what you wrote is definitely very dissappointing.
Is it REALLY so bad in Belarus?
Kurenda. You make Minsk look like a very cosmopolitan, worldly capital the likes of London or New York where one can find females of any nationality. Is it really so? Most mongers think of going to Belarus because it seems like an isolated, secluded country in Europe, that has strict Visa requirements.
You really surprise me!
Also, what you wrote dissapoints me. Here is a monger that spent 3 whole months in Belarus, couldn't get laid with the local women and had to deal with West Europen women (Denmark, Germany)and Arab women (Syria; lebanon)to get some sex! I already knew from other reports that Belarus women where hard to get in the sack. But what you wrote is definitely very dissappointing.
Is it REALLY so bad in Belarus?Hello Kurenda,
Thank you for your advice, it is very helpful to me. It's funny, but German girls really go for me. So who knows? I'm not fussy where they come from really, I pulled a Belarussian last week in Kiev with super tits so borders don't matter to me.
Ignore this idiot Nolies. Most of his reports are at best useless and having read them all, I have yet to see anything of consequence. It sounds like he hasn't got laid for less than $300 in 5 years. His reports don't contain 1 piece of useful advice in my opinion. His early stuff is in fact comical.
Either way, I'll follow your advice and report on success/failure afterwards.
IL
Nollies, sorry but you got me wrong.
My intention was not to portrait Minsk as a cosmpolitan place because it definitelly is not. Minsk is "provincial", quiet place and I like it because of that. Of course things change here also and Minsk is different place than like 5 yeas ago. But it will never be small version of Moscow and if you want to compare it with Kiev for example, everything you can think of is on side of Kiev of course.
The foreign girls I mentioned ad not permanently here because very few foreigners live here. They were just passing by or staying on the short terms.
What you said about Belarus "because it seems like an isolated, secluded country in Europe, that has strict Visa requirements" I totally agree with you.
I live in Belarus since 1997 and to be honest after all this time you can get bored by everything here. It's not that I was chasing all this foreign women there. It was more a luck and opportunity which I did not wanted to pass.
This are not permanent things since most of this girls were in Minsk for like 2-3 days or maximum a month. Being there on tourist business (girls from Bulgaria and Turkey) or working at the embassies. The longer stay had only girls form China and Iran who are in Minsk for 6-12 months on Russian language courses. But their number is small like in tens not in thousands.
So me having sex with various foreign girls was not because I couldn't do it local girls (I don't have problems there) but simply to try something different and take advantage of opportunity.
Yes Belarus women are hard to get in the sack as a rule. There is exception to this rule but it has to involve pre arranged work or investing lots of time.
But generally it is hard. In Minsk is hard and in other places even harder. I believe that 99. 9% of all foreigners who come to Belarus come to Minsk only.
All this is to be contributed of charachter and mentallity of Belarus people which is different than in Russia and Ukraine.
Even there there's very small info about Minsk. About girls in Minsk optimist there say "Minsk. It's a lotter". Pesimits say "Minsk. It's nightmare". I agree with second group.
Even there there's very small info about Minsk. About girls in Minsk optimist there say "Minsk. It's a lottery". Pesimits say "Minsk. It's nightmare". I agree with second group.Somehow lost a portion of text here. I wanted to say there's much less info on Belarus here on ISG compared to Russia and Ukraine. The quoted part is related to russian forum sextalk which has much more traffic than ISG as mentioned several times. Even there info on Minsk is very poor. I think most of the posters are guys from Moscow. Moscow if very unpopular in Minsk, St. Petersburg has much better stand.
Irish about Nollies it's fine with me. Everybody have their own opinion and how much will somebody pay to get laid is their own business. Personally I never get into p4p so I'm "freebie" guy.
Good to know you pulled a belarusian girl (I presume it's a girl he he) in Kiev.
Generally belarusian girls tend to be more open (I don't want to say slutty) out of Belarus. Mostly during summer vaction in Crimea where they let loose. Several girls from Minsk I know like to tell me about their results in Crimea (well they also like to monger!) from time to time. They will never do such a thing in Minsk because someone will hear about that and thus labeling them sluts or something - local Minsk guys like to talk and brag like anywhere else in FSU. This is one of the reasons why girls will spend a night with foreigner because he can talk around (if he lives in their city then this can be a problem). So in Minsk there's a saying "If the girl in Minsk wants to be a prostitute what does she do? She goes to Moscow!" So everything is clear here.
About foreign girls it will be fine if you can locate them. If everything else fails (hopefully not) they can be used as last resort. This summer there will be european championship in some female sport (forget what it was) for about 3 weeks. So I guess it can be interesting diversity and I plan to be there.
Irish one word of advice. Sounds funny and paranoid but it's true. In many night clubs and restaurants in Minsk there will be young female government operatives (working for police or KDS). They will be in groups of usually 3 girls and their job is to look for foreigners. They will be open in approaching foreigner, speak good english, good looking in order to draw attention. Their will start asking a foreigner questions like what do you think about belarusian president, political situation, they will present them as opposition activist, etc. If this occured best is to play dumb adn don't make any (wrong) comments if you don't want to end in jail for 3 year for "insulting the president". I had two encounters with such a trio but funny enough I recognised them easilly. All of them usually wears the same model of high healed shoes.
During my last time in Belarus I was trying several provincial places and will continue next time. But must admit it's very hard to do anything. If the Minsk is hard then belarussian provinces are mission impossible.
So Irish good luck and waiting for your report.
Felix Nordic
04-03-09, 18:44
Prosal;
Yes, one has to move on from the "old" Moldova sceene. I found that with hard internet work Belarus is working good for me. It is very interesting to notice that when I am on flirt.com.ua I have good success contacting Russian and Belarus girls, but most of the Ukraine girls means problem. I guess it is different according to your mentality as well.
Interesting news about that town in central Asia! I might consider a trip in central Asia this summer. New hunting grounds, less competition and girls that still show GFE. Still I consider Belarus and Minsk rather good and I will continue to go there. I hope to be in Minsk again in May. It depends on my work and the thickness of my wallet.
Would be happy to catch up a day with you for hunting and exchange of experiences!
Cheers,
Felix
Prosal;
Yes, one has to move on from the "old" Moldova sceene. I found that with hard internet work Belarus is working good for me. It is very interesting to notice that when I am on flirt.com.ua I have good success contacting Russian and Belarus girls, but most of the Ukraine girls means problem. I guess it is different according to your mentality as well.
Interesting news about that town in central Asia! I might consider a trip in central Asia this summer. New hunting grounds, less competition and girls that still show GFE. Still I consider Belarus and Minsk rather good and I will continue to go there. I hope to be in Minsk again in May. It depends on my work and the thickness of my wallet.
Would be happy to catch up a day with you for hunting and exchange of experiences!
Cheers,
FelixI concur about Ukraine.Internet contacts do not work well in Ukraine, so one has to rely more on street pick up.
Felix Nordic
04-03-09, 21:48
There has been some more interesting reports here by Kurendo. I make no judgements on Nolies post but in my eperience there are not many foreign girls in Minsk, unless you refer to a few Russian and Ukrainian girls that are there on a visit or something. It is far more common that girls you have contact with all of a sudden goes to Moscow or Pieter.
I think Belarus is different than Russia and especially compared to Ukraine. I have been in Russia 6 times and in Ukraine only two times. The rules are a bit different on how to approach and how to play your cards. As I wrote I mainly make contact with girls from Belarus on various internet pages and use a Russian English translator programme to improve the dialogue. I speak a bit of Russian but I lack the keybord in Russian and anyway I know too little to have a meaningful conversation online. In real life my Russian is more ok, because you can use body language and sometimes love and flirt requires no words. That is what I live on by the way. I am very far from a handsome guy like Brad Pit but I know how to talk and I can charm. In fact I would say do not look very handsome at all and in few cases girls has ditched me because of my looks. Mainly top girls that really can choose. I can recall the date with the top beauty Julia from Vitebsk that was a model and local TV star (a sure 9 maybe 9+ or 10). At 175 cm and 52 kg and elegantly dressed and in high heels she dominates most places she visit, which she perfectly knows. See photo and you can judge yourself! Notice the expensive golden necklace she wears. She pointed that out specifically. It would perhaps have been a different ball game if I showed up in a Porsche for the date. Who knows...
For those interested in this top girl you should know that she is expensive. She required me to pay for her travel to Minsk and for her own hotel room for a few nights. Well, I refused that...
However I am open and dare to take chances without being [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) drunk with the risk to make a bad impression. Btw that is another one of the questions many girls ask when they are starting to get really interested in you. It is about your drinking habits. One reason EE girls prefers foreign men is because we tend to drink less and pay more attention to the girl than our local competition. Still one needs in most cases to be a lot more macho and gentleman than we are used to in our own liberal and "feministic" countries. But in the correct way of course. If you know how to cook... use it wisely, because it is a darn good excuse to invite them to your place.
One funny thing happend to me in february what when I had promised a girl to cook here a really nice apple pie! She knew it was my thing to cook and she would like to taste an apple pie a man cooks. So I found out that the oven in my apartment was not plugged in. I went in different shops and markets to buy apples, flour etc and a cable. Met the girl and we went to my apartment. She was very curious and wanted to see me cook. She was a really nice looking girl, just turned 20 and with 172 cm and 51 kg her body was fantastic. A pure 8! I plugged the oven in and I could not get the damn thing to work! I had already made the apple pie and it was ready to go in to the oven. Sh-t!! I had to improvice and cooked it on the gas stove with added water. (not to burn it) The improvised vanilla sauce made with smetana and vanilla sugar was on the side. ( I could not find any real stuff in the shops!!) The result was a catastrophe! Semi burned watery apple pie and a disgraceful vanilla sauce! We had a good laugh about it and we started to hug and kiss and make out in the kitchen. Sat her down on the kitchen table and grabbed her firm but small tits and the kissing got more and more intense. Made her stand up again and I took of her pants and panties rather fast and started to massage her crotch while kissing deeply. The reaction and signal was clear. Two minutes later I was inside her while she was on her back on the kitchen table... See photo of apple pie girl 20 mins later in the shower.
I have found that I get quite a lot of responses from Belarus girls on internet and Russian girls. Girls from Ukraine also answers me but not so frequently. I simply have problems to match with the Ukraine girls. Well, folks thats me... So, I will be coming back to Belarus! I do go out to clubs sometimes to watch eye candy and to get some new contacts. I have found some real gems in clubs and I have had few nights was rather boring and no contacts. I would say that the night life is definetely better in Russia or Ukraine. Ther are also some girls in Belarus that is ready to take on a sponsering offer, especially if you treat them nice and are discreet in the start.
My club list is;
West world club - A nice and rather large space disco and night club located in one of the bigger hotels. The is a casino downstairs and also a strip club for thos with extra cash and into that fetish. (I am that as well, but I would not consider to pay those prices and hence I have never been inside).
This club has a younger crowd and is fun depending on the night. From what I know it is open all days. I have made a few contacts there and have had some fun flirts and dancing... No hookers around
Zuravinka - Located in the centre not far from the main square. Small space dance place in combination with being a restaurant. A casino is downstairs. A lot of middle east men with dates can be seen at the tables. There are sometimes really nice girls around. Slightly older crowd than at West World club. The girls in general seems a bit easier allthough I have never encountered a real pro there. I have made nice contacts there that has gone all the way to bed... (NO, not the same night!)
Max show - Located on Nezavisymosty up north from the city centre and combined with a cinema I think. Appears to be THE meat market in Minsk. Not upper class though a lot of guys with tables (some arabs) dine out with girls and dance. drinks are more expensive than West World. I have had a few really hot flirts and one girl I finger fucked in the dark sofas in the entrance. In general not my kind of place. There are hookers in the entance asking about a Euro 100 for 1 - 2 hours. No stunners though!
Madison - Located a bit away from the city centre. Upscale club that on a few occasions has had an entrance fee I could not believe. 20 USd to get in. Elegant girls inside and a very "chic" club that does not make my boat flow. More snobbish girls and in some cases escorted by rich men that likes to lounge in the sofas and look important. Expensive in general.
Night star - Located in the centre and has a slightly older and more elegant crown IMHO. Only been there once.
Alcatraz - Tiny place in a basement located in the very centre square. When it gets crowded there is no place to do anything than just to be around. I had to escape this place because I did not give me anything. If you cant move, you cant hunt! Game over!
Over time - Located near the centre in Nimiga close to the "fake" lake. The most popular disco and night club in town among girls. My guess is that is therefore very elegant and very expensive. I have tried to get inside once but it was a private party and I was not that unhappy to get dismissed. Places like these are on top of girls list when they want to go out with you because likely they cant ford it. They hope for you to take them there so they can chit chat with their friends that they have been there. Not open all nights in the week.
Belaja vexa - A small space night club on top of a casino. Been there twice and it was quite ok. Empty on some nights. Expensive drinks. No hookers that I saw.
Restaurant list; (far from complete)
Rakowski browary - Nice old style (but modern interier - looking old) resuarant in two floors that has some traditional food (I bet many finds it fance but IMHO the food is crap) Worth to visit because of it being well known, live music sometimes and their own made beer which is very tasty!
Lida - Located at Pl. Jakoba Kolosa. My local place for taking out girls. (I usually rent an apartment close to Philharmonia at Jakoba Kolosa) Food is shit IMHO and way over priced. Cantina style restaurant with a rather huge selection of main courses and deserts and coffee. Out door street tent in the warm season.
Babylon - In the very centre close to old town. Ok place to grab a beer or a quick lunch. prices are ok.
Renesance - In old town. Stylish and expensive restaurant. Food is not that good but the bill is long. Still ok for a glass of wine when they have the out door serving in the warm season.
Il Patio - Italian restaurant and Pizza place in the very centre. One of the few ok restaurants in town IMHO. That is why I go there, even for coffee or luch all alone. Prices are ok. Getting more expensive though.
McDonalds - Just a place to meet a girl because the place is known. Note that there at two McD in the cntre. There is one in Nimiga as well.
Cafe beze - Located in the very city centre. Upscale, fancy and expensive cafe. Nice to meet a girl sometimes and easy because eveybody knows about it.
Besides these places there are e number of bars and cafes and restaurants in the centre and Nimiga (big shopping centre where you can go upstairs for out door servings in the summer). There is one popular place not far from Renesance restaurant in old town. There are also a few places around Pl. Peramogi.
Street sceen in the night;
If you want to look for street girls they are sitting in the bus stands along Nezavisimosty, especially between the centre and up north to Pl. Peramogi. On a few occasions there are young fresh girls to be had. You better let a taxi driver help you. He also knows other streets where girls are. prices start from USD 50 an hour for one girl. I have not done this in the last year. I did two girls take away to my apartment for an hour for USD 100 or 120 I Think. That time girls refused to go alone with you. They come in pairs. Ok, twice the action. I think foreigners have a bad reputation, and that is likely enhanced by the government. There was a scandal with a model agency a few years back that was a bridge head for trafficking. I know because my friends sister was a model and she told me about this. After this it has also become harder for young Belarus girls to travel abroad. Unless they take the way to Moscow or Pieter.
Irish lad; I have read your posts before and you seem to have some experience and I think you will perform well in belarus, especially with pre contacts.
One can have fun in Belarus, but it takes some knowledge of the local sceene and to be prepared to do a lot of hard work, especially on internet contacts. Atleast that is how I do it. Also It is important to notice that a trip to Belarus is quite costly. prices are NOT cheap in general in Belarus. That goes for anything, with exception for alcolhol and cigatettes in the shops or a beer in a street cafe. I was really fortunate on my last trip. Before my average on a 10 day trip was 3-4 girls. I have built up contacts with new girls and I have my old 5 girlfriends so I look forward to my next visit. However a word of caution that has been expressed here before: It is not that easy...
Cheers,
Felix
Hope it's ok to make some comments of my own.
There are foreign girls in Minks all right you only need to find them.
Most of them (from the west at least) are in Minsk on volunteer work and also there's certain number of them at BGLU (State lingustic university) where they study Russian language. It's cheaper then in Moscow.
Also there are lots of Russian girls who study in Minsk again it's cheaper then in Moscow. About those suddenly going to Moscow it's more a reason not to meet especially if the contact came thorugh the internet.
Belarus is much different than Russian. I've been to Russia 29 times as visitor not counting the period I lived there and in Belarus I was 16 times as visitor not counting the period I live there. I have a permanent stay in Belarus and I've been living in Belarus since 1997 for several months a year. In Belarus everything is different especially charachter of people. Belarussians tend to be shy and closed which makes contact with them difficult.
It looks Belarus is small place anyway. I know Julia also. But I know her as Yana, 21 from Vitebsk, divorced (husband ditched her because she was whoring around), works at journalist, has a strange dog. She did not leave impression on me anyway and I told her that. Fake blonds with skinny legs are not my favourites. She was very pissed plus I didn't want to spend my money on her, told her I'm loaded (well not exactly) but I will not sposor her since there are much better girls than her he he. And also disclosed her dirty little secret of looking a foreigner husband (I. E. Sponsor) on those marriage agencies. About golden necklace she wears I asked her "present form your customer? " (I was told by her friend she fucks in Vitebsk with rich Russians for money) she claimed her grand mother left it to her.
By the way I often go to the place where you took the photograph. Much better for day meetings.
About drinking in FSU men who drinks are not very fabourable, but since there's plenty of them a there's not much choice fro a woman. But also there are plenty of females drinking. When a girl says she doesn't drink it means not vodka but everything else. Bring it on. In FSU women like "strong gentlem" sort to speak as I girl in Minsk often tells me "I need a man who will forbidd me to wear trousers". Cooking skills for men and not very demanding in Minsk, I do things the other way. Most girls claim to be very good in kitchen so I ask them to cook fo me. My place or theirs it doesn't matter for me.
Comparing night life in Moscow, Kiev and Minsk, Minsk is the bottom of the list. Especially during weekdays and night live is on the expencive side.
Girls looking for sponsor are much fewer than in Moscow or Kiev, there are no real oligarch in Belarus anyway so no sponsor offers on big scales. The girls from Minsk who look for sponsor know there's no real competition so they tend to have high demands and their quality is questionable.
Night clubs
What Felix said is mostly right. Felix focused on those places mostly in the center ot Minsk. Which is normal for any foreigner visitor and enough. Most of the popular night clubs in Minsk (total of 11) are located in the city center or close to it. They all take in 200-300 people at the most. Basically they are expencive from entrance to drinks. If you want "western" style night life you'll have to pay for it. Great majority of people can not affored as regular places of visit but maybe 1-2 times a month. Most of this night clubs charge entrance (depending on day weekdays are usally dead so lower the price). The best days for this clubs are Friday and Saturday night while other days are not that interesting. Of course there are other nigh clubs in Minsk but they are on varous locations away form the center. They are not that expencive. From the clubs of the Felix's list I like Night Star since it tend to be quiet place. Over time also but it's expencive as Felix says. But plenty of girls there jsut to look at, not many chances to do anything. The girls likes to be seen there and if the girl suggest to go there be sure she will take few of her girlfriends along and don't pay attention to you. It will only make your costs high. Keep in mind most clubs in Minsk have a dress code (poorly dress and no entrance) and also face control (you're too old, too poor, black, asian, arab so you can't enter). Arabs that Felix mentioned in Zuravinka, Max Show go there because this places are arab investments (Zuravinka is money from Libya, many Lybian diplomats go there, Max Show I think is money from UAE and Alcatraz is from Syria).
About restaurants Felix said it ok. Food in Minsk resturants is crappy and expencive. McDonalds there are 7 of them in Minsk (3 in the center and rest in suburbs). Il Patio is going expencive all the time. The following restaurants in Minsk are owned by Lukoil from Russia and belarus state oil company: Il Patio, Planeta Sushi, Fridays, Pechki Lavochki, El Rincon Espanol, and some others also. Thay tend to be expencive. Street walkers.
They are daying breed in Minsk. Keep in Mind prostitution and pornography is forbidden in Belarus. And it means forbidden, it's not like in Russia and Ukraine. Porn movies and magazines are forbidden for sale, there is only Russian edition of Playboy wrapped in black plastic. Since last few years police cplamped hard on anything connected with prostitution. There's so called "administrative" arrest of prostitutes. It means police will pick up girl when they find her on the street, keep her locked up for few hours untill they determine where her parents live. Then police call the parents in the dead of the night usually, telling them their daughter is arrested becuase of prostitution and they have to pay some fine. This is something most parents don't want to hear. Plus there is TV show about crime in Minsk "Zona X" and they will usually film the girl in the style "You're a prostitute so tell us about that. Because of all this in Minsk street walkers are not many with low quality. Foreginers are not choice of customers for prostitues and yes Felix is right about the govermnent. There are reports by state medias all the times in style foreigner beat the prostitute, prostitute was killed by a foreigner. This things are most probably far from the truth but they are always present so street girls are not were friendly toward foreigners. Belarus goverment is doing everything possible to eradicate prostitution and they are doing great job. There are beaten men on TV all the time with comments like "police arrested members of Russian mafia who wanted to organize prostitution in Belarus" etc. Citizen of Belarus first need some kind of approval from their government in other to travel abroad. So approval first and then you can ask for visa. Check how many prostitutes from Belarus are working abroad. I won't say there are not any but probably thousand times less than from Russia or Ukraine.
So summarise. Felix put good observations in his post. Belarus is expensive place. Espcially if you want "western" style of living. You have to pay for it.
On thing most people don't know. In Belarus there's triple price system.
One price is for citizens of Belarus and Russia (standard price), second price for citizens of CIS member states, former FSU (2 x standard price) and third price for all other foreigners (3 x standard price). This makes things expencive and this prices exist in most places like hotels or restaurants but this is not publicly stated. For example there is only one hotel in Minsk that keep standard prices for everydoby. It's cheap and far away. Speaking Russian can help avoiding this prices and have the standard ones. So when coming to Minsk come with money, Minsk cost more than Kiev for example.
Belarus embassies world wide issued 53 000 of visas in 2008 so you can see how much foreigners are arriving to Belarus. Alost everybody needs a visa, including holders of diplomatic passports. Een in case of coming Minsk is definitelly no easy place for mongering. The best is to first graduate somewhere else in FSU (like Felix did in Moldova I believe) and make a lot of pre aranged work on the internet before coming to Minsk. Even then there are no guarantees. In my opinon 90% of those coming to Minsk for mongering (p4p, freebies or what ever) jerk off in their hotel rooms becuase they take things too lightly about Minsk and Belarus. Felix keep your Minsk contacts close but you never know how many of them will be "lost" by the next time you arrive. Personally I got a little fed up with Minsk and for my next stay in Belarus I will be in Grodno. For me Minsk is capital but very "soviet" and even so Grodno is much much more "soviet" than Minsk in everything. In Minsk is hard with girls and I'm sure in Grodno it will be even harder. From my earlier In Grodno there are plenty of Poles living (well at least those who still did not leave Belarus) and from my earlier trips to Grodno I noticed Polish girs are more easier and approachable sort to speak. I don't expect much but we will see.
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Felix Nordic
04-12-09, 00:18
Kurenda;
I see you have met "julia" or Yana as her real name is. Means you have some insight;) Photo is at cafe beze as Im sure you recognise. I did not want to give out her real name bacause I posted a photo of her face. The other stories she told you she also told me, about being divorced and the necklace coming from a relative. She seems to be an high end expensive scammer or sponsored girl for the guy with a wallet to fit her tastes of life. (I did not make that impression I think - and of course I refused to pay for her expenses arriving in Minsk to meet me). IMHO she is a 9 but of course it is a personal opinion. ;)
Still compared to Russia and Ukraine, Belarus seems a bit left behind and unspoilt. The girls in Belarus does not know how to make the tricks yet to empty the wallet of a foreigner that is rather common in Ukraine and Moldova and I bet in some cases Russia as well. I got a few girls as "girlfriends" in Belarus and I expect to meet some of them again, but far from all. I think one knows that after having been with the girl. If she is too easy and money hungry, she will just move on to try to suck the nectar out of the next rose. Out of the 8 girls I shagged in my last trip, I expect to meet 4 again. Again, this you really feel in the communication with them. If they are eager to anwser your sms and if they answer your calls, it is a good sign.
With the girls we play with, like in monopoly, it is the heat of the moment you can enjoy. Who knows about the future. They look for new flowers and so do we. Still it works very well for me and I have a nice full hand of new girls, just like in poker. Some of them are also very serious and want a flower to enjoy for the rest of their lives. As a hunter one has to try and find out. trial and error... How loveley aint this sport though...
Cheers and happy hunting!
//Felix
Super reports guys, thanks.
I had to delay my visit and was back in Moldova instead of Minsk. However, I now know 10 times more about Minsk than before))
Should be in Minsk late May/early June.
IL
Borderland
10-28-09, 15:48
Vsem Privet
I have visited Belarus about 15 times. When I was married to a Belarussian I would spend about 6 weeks there each summer. She was from a provincial town and to escape the boredom of life in the town I would head off in my car to explore the country on my own. I have travelled on every major road, most minor ones, I've been to the cities and to towns that are not on the maps, just clusters of little Izbas in the middle of the forest. I know the country. Although I was happily married I also hunted for women on my trips, both pro and freebie (I do prefer the latter however). I plan to give my take on looking for women in the provinces. I do not know Minsk well enough to give any more info then others have already done. What I do know and know well are the backwoods, places many don't get to, Hoiniki, Kletsk, Rechitsa, Zhlobin, Svetlogrsk, the decrepit border towns that straggle the Russian border, Dobrush, Gomel, the towns in the radio-active areas etc. I have been successful and unsuccessful in all these places and more. I must say I speak reasonable Russian, I am not bad looking and know how to speak to women so this has helped, but I always travelled alone and this hindered me. If I had had a wing man with me I would have taken more risks and been much, much more successful.
I don't claim to know it all, others will know more but I will write my own report and musings on the Belarussian scene in the provinces. I hope there is some useful info for you.
Firstly, the provinces are not a good place to find paid for sex. Fact! Sorry to break it to you but it's undeniable. I looked everywhere and man it was hard to find at times. You would think that what with wages being so low that the girls would be touting everywhere but it's not so. But they are out there if you look carefully, especially if you have your own transport as I have.
The best places to find girls in the sticks are on the roads leading out of the city/town. It can be very hit an miss. If you find one get her number because otherwise yo won't find her again. I have found some very attractive girls in many provincial towns standing on the road out of town usually holding a plastic bag to fool the police that she is hitching and not punting. That makes it difficult because it's hard to know who is and who isn't on the game. When I stop when they approach the car I just say in Russian "are you working? " (Vi rabotaete? ). If not they will back off and I drive on, embarrassed but no harm done. If sh says yes then get her in the car quickly and drive off whilst you negotiate, that way a policeman will not be suspicious. Prices vary, depending on foreigner price gauging. I usually pay $20 for a BJ and FS but I have paid $60 before because I was drunk and horny. I usually do it in the car or on my blanket at a quiet spot. If the girl is nice I will by a few beers and go to a secluded spot for a couple of hours of fun. For this I will pay $50. My best experience was in Rechitsa when I picked up a couple of girls together. I paid them $60 and we had an afternoon having a threesome in a field 10 miles out of town. Sexually the girls (like anywhere) will put more into it if they like you so I am aways polite and cultured and try to make them laugh. Many go starfish but some will get into it or atleast appear to. Make sure you bring your own condoms, sometimes the girl will have only one and if that breaks whilst putting it on you are in a dilemma. Most don't like having their photos taken but that doesn't interest me anyway so no big deal.
The other places to look are in bars but I have rarely had success this way in terms of pros, but often found freebies in this way. If I had a wing man I would have approached more women in bars but on my own I felt self conscious as it was being an obvious foreigner in their flea blown town looking for sex so I missed out on many, many opportunities.
The other place to find girls in provincial towns is to walk in the evening where the town goes for their evening serenade, usually by the river or to the central square. They will sometimes make eye contact but because being a foreigner draws a lot of attention they may avoid you as they will then be revealed for what they are. It's a dilemma for the girls that they have told me about before.
In the larger towns you will find prostitutes in the big hotels. Gomel for example has 5 or 6 working girls who sit every evening in the cafe in the main hotel (forget the name, but it's next to the stadium). It's the cafe on the left as you walk in not on the right. Go in, sit down and invite one over for a drink. They vary in looks from 2 to 7. I never found any beauties. I paid $100 for two girls for 2 hours in that hotel. Pretty mechanical sex, no great shakes and they were reluctant to do anything lesbian but one did Anal. It was a pretty soulless experience with them clock watching the whole way through.
My big piece of advice is to ask a taxi driver where girls can be found, most will know. In Gomel there is a road where street walkers stand after dark but I would never have found it without local knowledge. It's on the road to Dobrush near to the Go-Kart track. Girls are a sorry looking bunch but if you are not fussy then $10 will get you a BJ. They looked a bit diseased though to me but it might of just been a bad night.
Finally regarding paying for sex in the provinces. I have approached regular girls and asked if they want to make some money, I have had a little success but again if I had had a wing man then I would have had much more I believe, but I was hesitant on my own. With a friend I would have asked without any embarrassment and also the girl would have felt securer because she could have brought a friend along to sleep with my wing man. Every ones a winner!
Other things will come to me and I will post as it does but that's enough about prostitution for now.
Freebies in the provinces:
This is a better situation and one I pursued more often. Firstly if you are thinking that just because we come from richer countries we can turn up in a small town flash the cash and get laid, then think again. It ain't like that. An overweight middle aged rich man who dresses in scruffy clothes will not get a fraction of the girls that a well groomed young student will get. Money is not the motivating factor out here which is why prostitutes are thin on the ground. But, if you take care of yourself physically, learn some Russian, have a certain charm about you, then you can do well, very well. On two occasions I have had mothers offer their daughters to me, not for sex but for a relationship. On both occasions the dughters were about a 7. I turned both down because I felt sorry for them but those things do happen if you dress nicely and come across as a decent guy. Act like an ass hole out here and you will get nothing, believe me. The easiest way to find girls is to go to a cafe or bar and simply ask a group of girls to join you at your table. If you ask politely they will almost always join you. Be cultured, break this rule and you will not get the nice girls who you would like to see more often. Culture is more important to well brought up girls then money in this part of the world, understand that and you understand 9 tenths of seduction in Belarus. Also go for a stroll in the evenings, don't leer at all the girls just approach nicely and make idle conversation, then suggest getting some beers. Don't freak them out by trying to bang them within ten minutes, enjoy the process. Again I am talking about finding nice girl who you would be happy to see for a few days, weeks, years etc. If you want an old slapper then of course all my culture theory goes out the window. I have met some wonderful girls in the provinces, I can't wait to go back, which I will do soon. The nice girls will not put out on a first night which makes life difficult if you are passing through but you can get a kiss and a cuddle very often.
One of the difficulties can be that we are perceived by many out there as being sex tourists. This puts up a barrier in some girls that you need to break down. Another thing is that we just freak some people out, they look at you you as though you are an alien for being in their town and they have a hostile frame of mind towards you but this can be overcome very easily once you engage in conversation. They can be very suspicious of outsiders in their midst. I have been to many clubs in the provinces on my own and only sometimes had some physical trouble with men, but I have diffused the situation every time. They just don't get what you are about sometimes, it's hard to explain, but 99% of people have been as good as gold once the initial "who the f**k is this foreigner in our club? " feeling passed. Again I would have been more successful if I had had a buddy with me to hang out with. Anybody ever want to go on an adventure one day then drop me a line once I'm registered and we'll get off the beaten track for a few days.
I probably rambled long enough. I hope there was some useful info there for some of you who have not yet explored the countryside. I don't care what anyone says Belarus is not an easy place for pro hunting (not talking about Minsk). I found it easier in Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Transdniester, Kyrgyzstan etc but there are great experiences to be had if you look carefully, just don't come with notions of pulling out a $100 bill in Bobruisk and having 18 year old models dripping at the thought of it, maybe in Romania in 1990 but not in Belarus in 2009, but with a smattering of Russian, a nice wardrobe and good manners then there should be enough freebie action to compensate but it is very hit and miss. If you can only choose one place for a trip then I would suggest going to Moldova, I had a great time down there, again off the beaten track (capital cities are too easy) and loved it. Travel to the provinces on your own can be hard, nobody speaks English, you get stared at, people can be unwelcoming, the food is bad, entertainment non-existant but the women are exquisite, shy, statuesque beauties, who are a joy to seduce.
Good luck
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Europa League
12-19-09, 21:40
Nice report Borderland, I like it alot.
When you going to Belarus next?
Wing man you say.
Know a little bit about Belarus myself and speak a bit of Russian.
Maybe we could link up.
Hello, Men!
I've just returned from a 30 day trip to Belarus, and I feel it is my duty to share my experiences with you.
First of all, I'll make it clear that I think Belarus is a waste of time for chasing tail. Sorry, but that is the truth as I see it.
Now, that said, its not a terrible place. You can find action quite easily, even if you don't speak a word of Russian and you aren't Mr. Handsome. But but but, I am a youngish (30's) guy who is in good shape, I speak decent Russian, and I have money to spend, SOOOO I have high standards. By that I mean, I am only interested in young, thin beauties, preferably with long hair and nice figures (not overweight). As in any Eastern European/former USSR country, these type of girls are everywhere. You see them everywhere you go in the city, on the metro, in cafes, in clubs. But it seems in Minsk, none of these girls are "working girls". I am tempted to say that maybe I just had a bad run of luck in Minsk, but I suspect the truth is that the truly hot girls in Belarus don't offer themselves up. Or if they do, it is a rare event. Yes, its easy to meet with beautiful young women, take them out and start a relationship. But if you just want to sleep with them, its not so easy.
One way to find action is the newspaper "? " (Iz rook v rooki). In the back of the paper is a personals section. ALL the women listen are prostitutes, without fail. Most of the ads are for apartment brothels, with 2 or 3 girls working. Just ignore whatever the ad says, because the girls are always different. Sometimes it is an individual woman who advertises for herself. The prices range from $40-$100. In one situation where I found a woman who wanted $40, she said she was 23 years old and thin. But when I showed up to her flat, she was at least 30, and there were photos of her and her husband and baby all over the apartment. She kept me waiting in the street for 20 minutes when I arrived for our meeting. I'm guessing she was bundling her kid off to her neighbours place. I was tempted to turn around and leave, but I stayed. And no surprise the sex was terrible, and hurried. I even brought along an expensive pack of condoms to use, but she refused to let me use them because she thought I might have tampered with them. So we had to use a cheap Russian condom that felt like a thick rubber glove. On other occasions I actually did turn around and leave because the girls were terrible. It seems that there is no such thing as a thin brothel worker in Minsk! They are all chunky and/or older.
The few extremely good looking working girls I met in Minsk were at night clubs. But as you can imagine, they wanted stupidly high prices for their services. One model quality hottie I met at "West World Club" wanted $200 for one hour! And when I suggested the whole night, she had the nerve to say $1000! I guess there is no such thing as a discount in Minsk. Obviously I declined, even if by western standards it would have been a bargain for such a beautiful girl. These types of girl aren't out looking for money. They are out to party, and if they meet a rich fool, then all the better for them.
In the lobbies of all the hotels in Minsk, there are working women who sit around waiting for men to approach them. They will not approach you! They may smile at you, but that's it. It's up to you to go speak to them in plain sight of the receptionists and security guards. It can be a fun game just to chat with them, but for the most part they are all curvy MILF type women, late 20's to mid 30's. All look like single mothers whose husbands ran off and as a result need to work to feed their kids. I never went with any of them, because they just aren't my type.
I did have a fair amount of success off the internet using Flirt. A number of dates turned into overnight stays at my apartment. I attribute that to my Russian language abilities, because a number of girls told me they ignore anyone who messages them on the internet in English, because they assume it is a Turkish or Muslim guy pretending to be European. And that is definitely true about Minsk. Every night club in the city looks like the Middle East because there are so many guys from Southern countries, especially Turkey. Nothing against Turks of course! You guys are fun to be around sometimes.
Overall, I would advise anyone thinking of going to Belarus to skip it, and go to Ukraine instead! Seriously. The quality of women is exactly the same in Ukraine, but there is more spirit for casual sex. You can nail a beautiful model quality girl in Kiev for $100, any day of the week, with nothing more than a phone call. And if you can't get yourself a good lay in Kiev for $50, then you must be an obese smelly old man with warts. No offense to those of you who it describes! Plus, no visas in Ukraine for westerners! While Belarus can be a nightmare of bureaucracy.
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AZN Monger
01-18-10, 18:52
You are correct that Ukraine (and Russia) are better hunting grounds. The girls are equally as beautiful without the hassle of getting through in Belarus. However, I still consider this place a hidden gem that has not been corrupted by total Western influence.
You are correct that Ukraine (and Russia) are better hunting grounds. The girls are equally as beautiful without the hassle of getting through in Belarus. However, I still consider this place a hidden gem that has not been corrupted by total Western influence.That is for sure true, if you are a tourist and looking for culture, it is a nice place to visit.
If you want another flashback from the Soviet period, visit Transnistria (Transdniestria), along the border of Moldova and Ukraine. The place is like the USSR in the 1980's before the fall. But watch out for police, they are corrupt and target foreigners for bribes.
I am wondering, how safe is Belarus to foreigners? As I am Asian by origin, I am wondering about safety in Belarus as racism is quite common in Russia....As one of my friends who works for BP told me that a few years ago one of his colleagues was almost killed in daylight (attacked by skinheads doing a quick-stab-and-run) near Red Square in Moscow, where there was a lunch of BP.
But on the other hand, Belarus is a police state, it could be safe (as I experienced in Moldova which is also a bit of a police state as communists rule there as well).
But how safe is Belarus?
Hakan Demir
04-29-10, 08:59
We were told that Minsk is the safest city of the region and when I was there everything was fine. You are right about being police state. No trouble at all.
I am wondering, how safe is Belarus to foreigners? As I am Asian by origin, I am wondering about safety in Belarus as racism is quite common in Russia....As one of my friends who works for BP told me that a few years ago one of his colleagues was almost killed in daylight (attacked by skinheads doing a quick-stab-and-run) near Red Square in Moscow, where there was a lunch of BP.
But on the other hand, Belarus is a police state, it could be safe (as I experienced in Moldova which is also a bit of a police state as communists rule there as well).
But how safe is Belarus?
We were told that Minsk is the safest city of the region and when I was there everything was fine. You are right about being police state. No trouble at all.Thanx mate. But how safe are the other cities and the villages?
My friends want to see the rest of the countryside as well (they wanna go backpacking through Belarus)
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I did have a fair amount of success off the internet using Flirt...
Worldwide,
thanks for great report !
What do you exactly mean with flirt ? Flirt dot what ? Or maybe mamba or mail.ru ?
....but the women are exquisite, shy, statuesque beauties, who are a joy to seduce
Great words, that urge to immediately take a flight to Gomel. Thanks Borderland.
Luka, what about provincial Belarus (or possibly Minsk) as a next destination ? :)
luka, what about provincial belarus (or possibly minsk) as a next destination ? :)
privet drug,
i guess even minsk is enough provincial, only 1 million and half as capital is nothing, and i am afraid during the week days not much to do about night life...
however i am testing the ground in these days, let's see how belarussian girls react in mamba and meetic and the beginning it is sad....
if i will not able to find at least 4-5 nice, normal girls or women waiting for me out there, i won't risk.... flight, visa, apartment just to pay pros that i can have for muuuch less money in oase or world and with much less hassles.
maybe i am getting a bit more lazy, i do not know, but it seems that everywhere changed and in some way girls get spoiled at speed light :(
what you think prosal ?
I won't risk.... flight, visa, apartment ...Maybe I am getting a bit more lazy ?
I can't believe that the guy who ventured two monthes in "wild" provincial Russia last year can make such a statement. Astonishing to hear those words in your mouth!
Where has your sense of adventure disappeared, Luka ?
Just when I was pondering about following your tracks !! :)
Where has your sense of adventure disappeared, Luka ?
Take it as I am maybe getting wiser Prosal...
In 2 months in wild Russia I invested too much to get too little back and with invested I do not mean only money, but mainly time, energy, days of holidays...
Honestly, dear friend, I have the feeling that to travel to wild Russia you need more to be masochist than to have sense of adventure for all the problems you have to face daily and..... for what ???
Samara looks like as Ufa and probably not much different from Novosibirsk or Yekaterinburg, just to write some names randomly.
Even in wild Russia girls are more spoiled you could imagine and the most "funny" ( sad ) thing was that in Ufa to the guy, who became friend, that pick up at my apartment the exactly kind of girls I wanted just to write him a sms, I paid him.......listen bro........almost exactly the same price I paid at the end of my 2 months in Russia in private apartment in Piter !!!!
But in Piter I had much much less hassle to face....
Trust me, I am not here trying to hide a hidden place I found, I am only writing the truth, that obviously it is only my truth, so it is not a law written in the stone, but it can give a different point of view to think about it....
I love FSU girls more you believe, but I am in trouble, my heart would like to go there tomorrow, but my brain asks me if it does it worth to get across all the hassles to be out there so far as in FKK I can have FSU girl at 50 euro, 30 minutes with daty, bbbj and dfk and so far as I speak russian at 99% I can get easily GFE ?
And....I can use the days of holidays I save going to FKK instead to Russia, to lie down on the beach in front of the ocean instead to get boring in the fucking monday night with zero night life in... Samara, Ufa, Tver....
Yep, probably I am getting much wiser I could think....
...Just when I was pondering about following your tracks !! :)
Do it bro, maybe you will enjoy it more than me, but I am more than happy if my experience can help you to avoid to get a disappointment and if it can be useful for somebody else.
P.S. Go 3 months in Moscow bro ...
my heart would like to go there tomorrow, but my brain asks me if it does it worth to get across all the hassles to be out there ...
Come on, I know it would take VERY few for you to plunge back. ;)
Both Lukasek and Proposal.
As many times stated Belarus is not for everybody and most people will not like it. Moscow and Kiev are much better than Minsk of course, p4p scene is bad but not impossible. Plenty of Moscow's B team operates in Minsk at weekends.
Coming to Minsk can be a hassle and Lukasek is right money and time can be spent much easier.
Speaking about provinces in Belarus? If you're not familiar with provinces in Russia or Ukraine then don't attempt it. But if you want to try then try Grodno.
Lots of Polish girls who are more open and sluttier than their Belarusian counterparts. And if you find it too hard, too boring or you're just afraid of KDS
polish border is just 24 km away for a quick getaway.
Also this summer there will be elections in Belarus which means tighter control especially of foreigners he he.
Proposal don't keep high hope about provincial Belarus, instead stay in hunting grounds you know and where you feel comfortable.
Proposal stay in hunting grounds you know and where you feel comfortable.
Thanks, but no. Adventure is the spice of life. :)
But if you want to try then try Grodno.
Lots of Polish girls who are more open and sluttier than their Belarusian counterparts.
Grodno sounds good.
osh, kyrgyzstan deadly gun battles raged in the kyrgyzstan city of osh where bodies littered the streets monday as ethnic violence escalated and uzbekistan raced to cope with a massive refugee influx.
amid sporadic gunfire, charred corpses lay unattended in an ethnic uzbek shop destroyed by petrol bombs, fires burned and osh streets were littered with shell casings under an acrid, black pall of smoke.
several days of clashes in osh have left at least 117 dead and 1,000 wounded, according to an official toll. some estimates have said 100,000 people have crossed the border into uzbekistan.
kyrgyzstan is of key importance to the major powers as both the united states and russia have military bases there and a there is growing international concern over the unrest.
bodies lay on streets across osh where buildings smouldered while the burned carcasses of cars, trucks and felled trees were rep001tered on a road where intense fighting took place.
shocked residents said the violence would have repercussions for generations to come. "we will never live together again," said akbar, a local ethnic uzbek man wandering the streets in osh carrying a hatchet.
intermittent gunfire was heard in osh on monday while further to the north in the city of jalalabad the violence was reportedly still in full swing.
"the situation got worse in jalalabad," the deputy chief of kyrgyzstan's interim government, temir sariyev, told reporters in bishkek.
"there are local clashes and it is not yet possible fully to contain the situation. armed groups are breaking through here and there and this is linked to the fact that our forces are insufficient" to control the situation.
the violence exploded friday in osh when ethnic kyrgyz gangs began attacking shops and homes of ethnic uzbeks, igniting tensions between the two dominant ethnic groups in the region that have simmered for a generation.
experts stress however that despite the clear ethnic component of the violence, it is also directly related to political turmoil in the highly clannish ex-soviet republic where a revolt -- against a president whose power base was in the south -- occurred just two months ago.
the violence has sent tens of thousands of refugees, most of them ethnic uzbeks but also a large number of tajiks, flooding over the border into uzbekistan where authorities have scrambled to get help to them.
afp is the only western media outlet permanently accredited in uzbekistan and an afp reporter in the eastern khujaobad district said aid workers were racing to provide care for tens of thousands of refugees.
"we have settled 2,500 refugees here since saturday," said ikromiddin valiyev, an official in charge of organizing refugee accommodation on the grounds of a factory in the area.
"we are receiving aid from all the regions of the country. yesterday, 200 trucks with tents and other supplies arrived from samarkand" in southeast uzbekistan, he said.
estimates on the numbers of refugees that have flooded into uzbekistan in recent days after fleeing the carnage in kyrgyzstan vary, but several officials say the total could top 100,000.
uzbek military helicopters flew along the uzbek-kyrgyz border while military personnel were seen setting up field kitchens and medical facilities in other districts in eastern uzbekistan.
kyrgyzstan's interim president, roza otunbayeva, on saturday appealed to russia to send military assistance to help quell the violence.
the kremlin agreed to send humanitarian aid but has so far said conditions are not in place for any involvement of russian forces in restoring order.
russia leads a regional security body, the collective security treaty organisation (csto), grouping ex-soviet republics in central asia that was reportedly considering deployment of a rapid-reaction force to the region.
both russia and the united states maintain military facilities in kyrgyzstan outside of bishkek and russian on sunday dispatched paratroopers to reinforce security at its base.
eu foreign affairs chief catherine ashton said monday she was "very concerned" at the unrest in kyrgyzstan. un secretary general ban ki-moon expressed alarm at the violence on sunday.
OSH, Kyrgyzstan.
WTF?
Why spamming all the FSU threads with posts about the Kyrgyzstan riots? ...do you suffer from some mental disorders?
Maybe someone can explain to J.E that the distance between Minsk and Osh must be about 4000 kilometers?
Hi guys,
I am chit chat with one girl, the plan is to invite her to my home for holidays, obviously I won't send neither 1 euro, no problem about that, but she said she needs my invitation to get shengen visa, so how it exactly works ?
Could I get into some troubles if she comes here and she will never get back home ? Actually I think the % she will do it are very almost zero, she has her job and daughter in Minsk, but I like to consider everything....
Anybody was already "so crazy" to invite one girl they never meet before ?
From the pictures she sent me, I saw she already travelled to Paris, Prague and Berlin, so I guess more than one already invited her just to have couple of weeks of fun and for sure she already get shengen visa.
I'd apppreciate any info or experience about that.
Thanks in advance !
I'd apppreciate any info or experience about that. Offering dyevs to visit you in your hometown is an excellent choice. I do it on a regular basis, but my policy is that getting the Shengen visa is their business, as the flight costs.
I made a post about that a few months ago, that you maybe missed.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1006162&postcount=1086
Worldwide,
What do you exactly mean with flirt ? Flirt dot what ? Or maybe mamba or mail.ru ?For Kiev I used with great success ,www.flirt.com.ua.
Similar to mamba.ru.
Hi guys,
I am chit chat with one girl, the plan is to invite her to my home for holidays, obviously I won't send neither 1 euro, no problem about that, but she said she needs my invitation to get shengen visa, so how it exactly works ?
Could I get into some troubles if she comes here and she will never get back home ? Actually I think the % she will do it are very almost zero, she has her job and daughter in Minsk, but I like to consider everything.
Anybody was already "so crazy" to invite one girl they never meet before ?
From the pictures she sent me, I saw she already travelled to Paris, Prague and Berlin, so I guess more than one already invited her just to have couple of weeks of fun and for sure she already get shengen visa.
I'd apppreciate any info or experience about that.
Thanks in advance !If I were you, I would meet her in person first before committing yourself.
You will find that she does need Euros to get the Shingen visa, and she will ask you for the Euros. Check on the internet the cost Shingen visa for belarussian citizens.
I met some girls in Kiev who got Shingen visas via the Czech Embassy in Kiev. I think on payment of a bribe or something to go and work the sex clubs there.
Ask her to send you a copy of her passport with all visa stamps shown and the dates.
Again, my advice meet her first on neutral gound, before committing your self.
A picture doesn't always speak a thousand words.
Hi,
I didn't invite somebody I didn't know but I invited somebody.
I am from Germany and so what I can write you is valid for Germany.
I don't know where you come from and which rules are there?
If you are doing such a invitation you sign that you are responsible for everything. That means if she doesn't go back, or she gets thick you have to pay. I bought a health insurance for her and a casualty insurance which covers most of the risks.
If she doesn't go you have to pay for deportation.
If the information from Germany is usefull for you I can describe it more detailed.
Gentleman Travel
08-20-10, 15:23
You will find that she does need Euros to get the Shingen visa, and she will ask you for the Euros. Check on the internet the cost Shingen visa for belarussian citizens.
I met some girls in Kiev who got Shingen visas via the Czech Embassy in Kiev. I think on payment of a bribe or something to go and work the sex clubs there.
I guess the Czech embassy has a nice sideline in "visas for cash - no questions asked"!
A few months ago I was trying to get a Ukrainian girl to meet me in Switzerland.
She had a passport, but said she needed 300 Euros to get a visa.
Something about getting a Schengen visa through the Czech embassy.
And they would be creating a "virtual itinerary" (i.e. fictional) with "virtual tickets" to support it.
Yeah, right. I'm going to be asked to pay money for virtual tickets and probably a virtual visa! I'm not the brightest monger, but I'm not quite that dumb! I would not mind paying the $20-$40 that is the legitimate cost of the visa, but paying the bribe money for a phony or improper visa is just asking to get cheated, by the girl, by the embassy, whomever - if you are engaged in an illicit transaction you can hardly complain to the embassy later!
Then when I actually visited Kiev a month later she did not agree to meet me. Well, I don't know if she was scamming me from the beginning, or just pissed off that I didn't bend over to pay for a crooked visa, or realized that she would have to sleep with me in Kiev to stand a chance to get invited to Europe next time, and it doesn't really matter which it was. She is off the list.
So in any of my "travel companion" ads or e-mails I always say that the girl is responsible for her own Schengen visa (and passport). Even paying for the flight you/we are taking an large risk. Even if she isn't trying to scam you, she is fairly likely to get cold feet or generally just fuck up the arrangements. And although she probably cannot profit by it, you are left with a worthless (probably non-refundable) piece of paper and no travel companion.
Now I have a couple of good prospects that I have actually met, which reduces the chances of being scammed enormously. I mean if the girl has already slept with you, what are the odds she is going to refuse a trip to Paris to do it again?
...I made a post about that a few months ago, that you maybe missed.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1006162&postcount=1086
Right, I missed your report, thanks for the link, I read it and I totally agree, much better to search until you find one willing to come to visit you.
....
Again, my advice meet her first on neutral gound, before committing your self.
A picture doesn't always speak a thousand words.
You are right, in years of dating CZ and SK girls met from the net, I found that many times, girls look like different from the photo, some were just without brain, but luckily I met them in their home country, so I was able to get rid of them in a while.
Much different when you met her at first time on the airport of your city, I am aware that if there is no chemistry, it will be pain in the ass.....
...If you are doing such a invitation you sign that you are responsible for everything....
If the information from Germany is usefull for you I can describe it more detailed.
I live in Italy, so I think we have the same rules, so if you can describe it better, thanks in advance !
I am afraid, that I am responsable for everything..... not a kind of risk I will be happy to take, even if she looks like trustable, polite, good, normal young mother with daugther....but again I never met her....
Actually she got 6 months visa last year, she travelled for all the europe, so maybe it will be easier for her to get a second visa....I just guess....
When she asked me letter of invitation, I told her yes, as I thought it was just a simple piece of paper where I invite her and not something where I agree to take and have responsability for what she can do or not do.
She told, without my letter of invitation she will have problem to get visa, so I will have to go to Minsk, if I want to meet her....
Well, I have a dear friend who is a owner of a hotel in my city, so I will just send her "fake" confirmation of room booked at her name, but I am not gonna to send her letter of invitation !
In the worst case I think it will be much less risk, honestly almost zero risk, if I go to Minsk to meet her having another 2-3 girls willing to meet me. I will try to meet all of them and once back home I will choose if one of them worth to take the risk of letter of invitation.
My only 2 experiences with invite a girl to my home are:
- one from Varna, she was pain in the ass, a real stupid chick, the second day I bought a new ticket flight and I sent her back home ( supposed to stay here 1 week )
- one from Trnava, SK, 1 week together, that became 2 weeks, wonderful time !
We will see, however I found belarus girls more in search of relationship than their sister from russia: they answer and write much more than girls from russia, probably living under Lukashenko is not that easy.....
Luka,
What Guderian wrote is how it goes in most EU countries including Italy.
For Belarusians Schengewn visa costs 70 Euro I think while for Ukrainians it's 35 Euro. If she goes for Schengen visa through agency then cost will be more than 200 Euro and up. Because agency will fill all her documentation, stand in line for her and she only needs to show up at the embassy when the time comes.
You will need to send her invitation letter (LOI) if she base her visa on private visit (visiting you he he). Hotel reservation will not do. To get LOI you will need to go to the police (I think that is the case in Italy) where they will check your legal status (if you're convicted, if there are charges against you, if you're legal citizen, do you work, how much money you have in your accounts, etc). If she got 6 month visa then it was probably business visa. Tourist visa will be issued what ever time embassy decides. I met Belarusians who got their Schengen visa on 5, 7, 10 days - not more than two weeks.
After you get LOI you are responsible for your guest for whatever she does.
Morrally and criminally - she pulls something you will pay.
She has a job and a child? So what - if that's true. She can quit he job, leave the child at her parents to take care and do what she wants in Italy.
In your place I would not invite unknown person to visit me. Option is to meet her in Minsk is she's willing - maybe she's looking for husband. But then it's you who need to get belarusian visa. If she's serious she will be ok for you to visit her and will help you with visa documentation you need. Suggestion is to openly tell her you're in doubt to invite her to visit you, for you it's complicated to get belarusian visa so maybe the best is that you meet in Kiev or something. If she agrees then she's serious in other case make your own conclusion.
And don't worry living under Lukasenko is not that bad, but you need to be smarter than that italian guy Ruggiero who ended up with 5 years in belarusian prison.
Spasibo drug !
I am always surprised how much you know about everything of FSU.... do you mind if I call you wikipedia of FSU ? ;)
Seriously, thanks !
I understand your point, we just finished right now to chit chat in skype, btw great way to improve my russian as she only write in russian and I only seldom used web translator.
Enough interesting when she wrote she was in 4 different countries in west europe in 4 months last year, yeah, I thought she should had business visa, so when I asked again about her job, she said: "я юрист".... do you believe she is a lawyer ?
I already decided I am not gonna to send her LOI, even if I never had problem with police, but due to that, I want to keep on be clean and I cannot accept I have to pay... with my skin, if somebody else do something out of law...there are things much more important than.... nice woman !
So now she said she will try to get visa to come to me and if not, she wait me in Minsk.... well I am neither sure she will try to get visa at all....
So probably I have to do the first step, where I can meet her:
- Minsk, I never been there, honestly I am enough curious to see the white russia, I can get some other contacts to meet there and I should not get problem to get visa too, but....even if I feel all the time safe in russia provincies I am a bit afraid to be in Minsk, I really do not know why, probably cause belarus is not russia as laws.....read prostitution for example is illegal...
- Vilnius or Kaunas, I never been there, very close to Minsk for her, no need visa for me but she will need visa ? Easy for her to get ?
- Warsaw... the same as Vilnius-Kaunas.
- Kiev, never been there and I always wanted to go when river palace was still open LOL, it could be an idea....
We will see. when it will be something new, I will post here immediately.
P.S. I never listen about Ruggiero 5 years in prison there, I searched in google right now and I found the only italian got problem, was in 2001 Antonio Angelo Piu, manager of import-export company that wanted to put in jail cause.....they thought it was a spy ?!?!??!?
What did the Ruggiero you wrote about ?
Luka if she said she's a lawyer ok maybe she is and was doing some bussines trip in EU. Of course maybe she's telling you normal story. Maybe she was in Germany working in FKK, or stripper in France. After all she's just a girl from the internet.
You can meet in Minsk no problem. You can get your visa without her help through agency. It will cost you probably 200-300 Euro. Cheaper if she is willing to provide documents you need. Also this can be a test to see if he's serious to bring you there. In my experience most people in Belarus is not willing to provide any documents for foreigners because they don't want to battle with local administrations. Unless they are payed good. As the joke goes in Blr and Russia - what to save the first when your house is on fire? Your documents because it will be pain in the butt to get new ones.
If you go to Minsk the best is that you get the bigger number of contacts in case you find her not good for you so you can have alternatives. Also since she speaks only russian practice your russian knowledge. Or try to get some english speaking girs just in case. Keep in mind great majority of people in Blr (even youger ones) don't speak english yet alone italian. In university foreign language is mostly subject of choice and 85% of all students don't take it.
Vilnius, Kaunas, Warsaw are all in EU so Belarus citizen will need Schengen visa.
If she has a Schengen visa she can go to any EU counytry which is in Schengen. Most people in Blr told me to most easy embassy to give the visa is polish. But keep in mind if you send her LOI from Italy she will need to apply for visa at italian embassy. Polish embassy will ask for original LOI issued by polish citizen in Poland.
Kiev is good option both you and her don't need visa. If you're willing to go there she can join you but maybe she only wants EU?
Or maybe Moscow? Yes you will need visa for Russia but you already been there so you have experience. There are several trains Minsk-Moscow everyday, price is 30-60 Euro depending on the train type. I guess she will ask you to pay for this. In any case don't send her any money in advance because you she can rip you off. Besides that if you send her money by bank or Western Union by belarus laws this is regarded as "income from abroad" and the receiver must directly pay tax on it which is high. So actually you will have to send more money then needed. The best is to cover her costs directly after meeting. If she complains then she's suspicious, she can always get money for train ticket. Unless she planed that you pay for her air ticket to Italy? This is expencive, remeber there are no low cost air ticket in Blr.
Belarusian laws are much strict than those in Russia of course but no need to panic. If you behave normally you will never have problems, police will never stop you without reason. Many peole thinks Belarus is police state only because they visit the center of Minsk and they see plenty of men in uniform. This is true because in wider center on Minsk there are several police and military buildings like police and military academy, ministry of police, HQ of the army so many policeman and military personel wonder around for their jobs. Also military service is compulsory in Blr so when young soldiers are having free time in the city they are required to wear the uniforms. I only expect some more security personel from September because there will be elections early next year and preparations are under way. But it's not your problem unless you plan to join opposition there and bring democracy to Blr he he.
I can think of one problem. If the girl gets you documentation to get blr visa and visit her she should probably have to get you documents for a private visitor visa. It means she must state her address and after your arrival she must take you to OVIR and register you there as her guest staying in her apartment. This is pain in the butt and you will have to stay whole day in the office there to finish it. So maybe you should get visa through agency, stay in the hotel which will automatically register you.
I can only say that if you come to Minsk you will find it interesting for 2-3 days and after that it will be not that much excitement.
The Ruggiero (or something like that) I mentioned. You will not find almost any info on him. I didn't know about him also only he was mentioned in August 2008 for like 10 seconds in TV news. He was decribed as holder of italian passport (maybe he was not Italian after all?) who was arrested at some military airport hidding in the bushes and taking pictures of military planes and infrastructure, with camera full of pictures. He claimed to a plane spotter taking pictures so he can post them or internet on aviation websites. Military court didn't beleive him and he was sentenced to 8 years in prison. He was released after 5 years in jail meaning he was arrested in 2003. He was released right during Russia-Georgia war so no body payed attention to this.
I totally agree, much better to search until you find one willing to come to visit youRight, there is IMO no really need to bother with girls from countries like Belarus who need to struggle to get a Shengen visa. Better target Russian office staff/young professional cosmopolite and well-travelled dyevs. There is literally thousands of them on "normal" dating sites, and most already have Shengen visas that they acquired through work or for their own holidays.
This summer four different Moscow girls went to visit me (all middle-class young professionals who paid for their flight costs and already had a EU visa), and I flew one of them to Thailand for one week.
All in all, summer was great.
Hi Luka,
Your detailed information you can get at immigration office in your town.
Like written here they want to know from me in germany if I am able to pay for her daily life and if my house/apartment is big enough for two.
Which papers they want to see can be different from town to town.
And they want to know detailed information about her passport like passportno, exact name,.. The best is she delivers you a copy of all pages of her passport.
Sorry guys, last days I was busy in FKK, so no time to answer.
Thanks.... yet nothing new from her, we will see what will happens, for sure I will post everything as usual for me.
So far have fun wherever you are.
...yet nothing new from her, we will see what will happens, for sure I will post everything as usual for me...
Just a fast update, we went to write less and less from when I told her she has to do visa alone without my help and in the last 2 weeks we wrote nothing at all.
Most probably she was into some scam and you didn't took the bate.
So let's guess she's now looking for somebody else to scam. It pays to be on this forum!
@Lukasek,
In which FKK clubs you have been?
I was also several times in FKK clubs last month.
I think I am there every weekend.
Most probably she was into some scam and you didn't took the bate.
So let's guess she's now looking for somebody else to scam. It pays to be on this forum!
We will never know, but if I had to bet, I'd say, she was only looking to get holidays for free and not looking for some cash.
Yes, surely to read this forum I got gorgeous holidays in all the world for the tons of infos available here.
p.s. in German ColA, World and Oase; in Austria, Mystic, Atlantis and Andiamo.
Felix Nordic
06-20-11, 20:52
Was in Grodna a few days to visit my girl. Gronda is way smaller than Minsk and that affects the club scene as well. Of course, that is rather natural. However you face less competition in Grodna from other foreigners and the girls are rather curious about you. It is easier to make contact in Grodna than in Minsk. You will simply stick out more as a foreigner and will be more exotic. I have been a few times in Grodna and have tried to find out a bit about the town regarding the night life. (when my girl has left to go home. God bless her as she is wonderful)
Grodna has around 300 000 citizens. Firstly it is a historical town with a lot of old buildings left. It was not that destroyed by the war as some other cities in Belarus. That alone makes it a more beautiful and interesting town to see. The Jesuit cathedral at the main square "Sovetskaya" is very beautiful. The river Neman, and the river valley makes it beautiful as well. There is an old castle overlooking the river Neman and it hosts a museum. Next to it is another old "castle like" complex that was refinished by the commies. It is a pleasant town for a stroll and worth visiting.
Well, that might now be what is interesting to most members. . I have been trying to find out a bit "mongerers perspective" but very little information is available. There is a water hole at the main pedestrian "Sovetskaya" street where a cinema located. It has a very small bar but it stays open late, and from what I know all days. A lot of drunk people but sometimes girls to talk to as well. Stand out side as the girls go out for a smoke and make contact. I have not got a name for this location. However in Grodna, you might find it.
The place I discovered last time was a good disco / night club named Kolosei located near the bus station and next to the post office on Karl Marks street. I was there Saturday night and I can not tell if open only on weekends or not. Do not expect it to be though, but perhaps. Quite big disco and rather crowded. Of course, it was Saturday night. I made easy contacts by a little flirting and being open. There were a mix of more normal girls but nicely sexy dressed, and also those girls looking very hot and fashionably dressed. You could feel it was a club in a smaller town as many seemed to know each other. That alone makes it harder, and one must adopt. Still contact was easier than in minsk for sure. Made a good contact with a sweet 20 year old girl, a 7+ or 8. Nice body and open and in a party mood. Nice dancing and some slight holding and touching (yes, gentle and discrete) Got her phone number and we have good contact now. I will try to meet her next time. I felt I got the devil in me that night and I went for the hottest girl on the dance floor. Around 175 cm, dressed in a leopard dress and high heels. She got that beautiful slavic face with green eyes and long fake blonde hair. Her dress was so tight you could not even fit in a thin piece of paper. She ignored me a bit, as a I tried to get her attention. Well, I went out for some fresh air as it was rather warm inside. And after a few minutes the tall beauty steps outside for a smoke, just next to me. I was quick to offer her fire and got into conversation with her. Her name was Tatiana and did speak some english and all of a sudden she was much more humble and nice than I expected her to be. Still you could feel she was a high class girl, and used to attention, and she did for sure not need a foreigner to support her. She was there with her girlfriend. It was not clear if she had a boyfriend or not. Good chat though, and still eye contact once inside the club again. Made another good flirt but had to be careful as I did not want the girl I got the number from to see me. The girl I got the phone number from was giving me a big smile and / waving to me as soon as I looked at her. Nice. Decided to go back to sleep rather contempt with life. Nice flirting and some dancing, and attention. Doesn't that make you feel good? I sure did. Before going to the club I shagged my girl in Grodna twice in the hotel and was not that hungry, but rather tired.
Small town experience that I hope can be good to know about as virtually nothing is posted here about Grodna. The club Kolosei should be on the list if you visit Grodna.
Cheers.
Felix
I was also in Brest and it was quite good. Lots of resposnes from girls. Also in Vitebsk. Success in discos however very close surveillance by police and presence of military everywhere even inside discos. Ractically all girls talk to you in disco and some give it for a small present. Compared to Ukraine Ukraine is better Belarus is good if you travel there often.
In Minsk girls are more reserved and there is no response in the street. The same in Vitebsk they are afraid in the street but respond in disco. Internet contacts highly succesful.
Criss Thor
09-12-11, 12:05
Hello, all here!
I'm not familliar with belarus, but I will visit it for 3 days at the beginning of October. I found Minsk with some usefull informations. The problem is that I will not stay in Minsk, but in Svetlogorsk. Maybe someone here could help me and share some basic info about opportunities in Svetlogorsk? I'll be very gratefull.
I see quite a few profiles on Mamba advertising "sex for money" or "sponsorship". Does anyone even know if this is legal in Belarus?
Member #4274
05-18-12, 14:55
I see quite a few profiles on Mamba advertising "sex for money" or "sponsorship". Does anyone even know if this is legal in Belarus?Prostitution is illegal in Belarus. While there are areas even in the city center where you can easily find streetwalkers or in hotels frequented by foreigners, it is illegal. Belarus does not possess the wherewithal to hire people to scan the internet and crack down on sites such as mamba like we do in the west.
Sponsorship is not as cut-and-dry as prostitution and it would be damn hard for someone to prove it in court as prostitution. I mean, I have been in regular relationships with women where I buy them gifts and give them money when they need it. What's the difference?
Prostitution is illegal in Belarus. While there are areas even in the city center where you can easily find streetwalkers or in hotels frequented by foreigners, it is illegal. Belarus does not possess the wherewithal to hire people to scan the internet and crack down on sites such as mamba like we do in the west.
Sponsorship is not as cut-and-dry as prostitution and it would be damn hard for someone to prove it in court as prostitution. I mean, I have been in regular relationships with women where I buy them gifts and give them money when they need it. What's the difference?Ok thanks. Well, the US government thinks there is a difference and it tells its citizens paying a prostitute is illegal. Yes first question a woman in America after what's your name is what do you do. Everyone pays, we just end up paying more, keeps restaurant / club / clothing / etc businesses going.
Ok thanks. Well, the US government thinks there is a difference and it tells its citizens paying a prostitute is illegal. Yes first question a woman in America after what's your name is what do you do. Everyone pays, we just end up paying more, keeps restaurant / club / clothing / etc businesses going.Dear Sean EZ,
The idea in USA is that you can not pay the girl after sex. You should pay before the action. The logic is you are paying her to spend her time with you, like cleaner, like private lesson. Hours may pass, after several tequila shots you may end up in bed, this is different story for the US law. You are adults. Police have no rights to do anything about this situation.
But, if you decide to pay girl at the end of night after sex, and get caught by police, then you are in trouble. Serious trouble.
You can check the validity of this info through advocates if you want.
Hi Cand, I completely agree. In the States you can also get in trouble for proposing money for sex. Funny story long time ago my buddy would pick up girls driving around in his sports car. So he pulls up to a girl and tells her to get in a car to go for a drive. She says how much, and he laughs and says 5 bucks. Get arrested, night in jail. Got off on probation or a fine, I can't remember. He never picked up SWs and a good lawyer could argue and win his case but would cost thousands, and he let it go.
Dear Sean EZ,
The idea in USA is that you can not pay the girl after sex. You should pay before the action. The logic is you are paying her to spend her time with you, like cleaner, like private lesson. Hours may pass, after several tequila shots you may end up in bed, this is different story for the US law. You are adults. Police have no rights to do anything about this situation.
But, if you decide to pay girl at the end of night after sex, and get caught by police, then you are in trouble. Serious trouble.
You can check the validity of this info through advocates if you want.
I have a one year business visa to Russia. On previous trip Moscow to Belarus nobody checked visas at the border, there is no border. Even if I get Belarus visa, it's useless. I am contemplating not getting visa at all. I speak the language natively. Has anyone attempted this, what type of trouble can I get into and why? Thanks in advance for heads up
Member #4274
05-25-12, 08:17
I have a one year business visa to Russia. On previous trip Moscow to Belarus nobody checked visas at the border, there is no border. Even if I get Belarus visa, it's useless. I am contemplating not getting visa at all. I speak the language natively. Has anyone attempted this, what type of trouble can I get into and why? Thanks in advance for heads upSean EZ, I am not expert on visa's but I do not recommend entering Belarus without a visa. You can get one at Minsk-2 or in your country. If the police stop you in the street and you do not have a visa there is no telling what they will do. Belarus and Russia are not the same country, as you know and I think I recall you saying you are an American citizen. You are playing with fire, in my opinion. A Belarus visa is not useless, its necessary and illegal to be in the country without it and the thought of keeping it real in a Belarusian jail overnight is not an inviting prospect. Unless you are holding a passport from a former CIS country you are expected to have a visa.
I have a one year business visa to Russia. On previous trip Moscow to Belarus nobody checked visas at the border, there is no border. Even if I get Belarus visa, it's useless. I am contemplating not getting visa at all. I speak the language natively. Has anyone attempted this, what type of trouble can I get into and why? Thanks in advance for heads upOne of my American friend regularly visits Minsk without visa. He has Business Visa to Russia and has some investments in Russia and Belarus. In average every 2 months, he visits Minsk for 1 week and he is not getting BL visa last 3 years. He stays at his flat in Minsk.
Yes you are right, on the Russia- Belarus train routes, there is no border check. You can freely enter the country from Russian border. However, problem starts when you enter the country. If you have a friend who can provide you a place to sleep, there would not be a problem. Because police in BL, they are not doing some regular passport check like Russians. I have been here more than 3 months and I have never dealt with police officers in my daily life, although I am one of the risky guy as per Russian security standards, not shaving daily, foreigner (too obvious) and crying a big bag in metro and any public transportation.
On the other hand, if you plan to stay a hotel or a daily-rental flat, you may encounter problems. Probably, they will not let you in. As you know there is a registration issue in FSU countries, and without visa you can not complete the process.
CanD
Dear Sean EZ,
The idea in USA is that you can not pay the girl after sex. You should pay before the action. The logic is you are paying her to spend her time with you, like cleaner, like private lesson. Hours may pass, after several tequila shots you may end up in bed, this is different story for the US law. You are adults. Police have no rights to do anything about this situation.
But, if you decide to pay girl at the end of night after sex, and get caught by police, then you are in trouble. Serious trouble.
You can check the validity of this info through advocates if you want.This is what I was advised to do in the US.
I carried this with me to the UK as well. If you have a look on the Lady Marmalade Parlies thread in The UK Forum, you will see that I got in a rant with few people there, because I said I paid cash upfront at the sex parties. Everyone else paid at thr end.
Even with hookers outside the US, in Kiev, or elsewhere, I always pay cash upfront.
A lot of ageny sites do carry the dislaimer that any monies exchanged is for Time &Company only.
Also I like to make the secort feel at ease by doing the paper work first.
I guess you can't teach an Old Dog New Tricks, or can you?
Dear Sean EZ,
The idea in USA is that you can not pay the girl after sex. You should pay before the action. The logic is you are paying her to spend her time with you, like cleaner, like private lesson. Hours may pass, after several tequila shots you may end up in bed, this is different story for the US law. You are adults. Police have no rights to do anything about this situation.
But, if you decide to pay girl at the end of night after sex, and get caught by police, then you are in trouble. Serious trouble.
You can check the validity of this info through advocates if you want.This is what I was advised to do in the US.
I carried this with me to the UK as well. If you have a look on the Lady Marmalade Parlies thread in The UK Forum, you will see that I got in a rant with few people there, because I said I paid cash upfront at the sex parties. Everyone else paid at thr end.
Even with hookers outside the US, in Kiev, or elsewhere, I always pay cash upfront.
A lot of ageny sites do carry the dislaimer that any monies exchanged is for Time &Company only.
Also I like to make the escort feel at ease by doing the paper work first.
I guess you can't teach an Old Dog New Tricks, or can you?
East Explorer
05-25-12, 15:46
Has anyone attempted this, what type of trouble can I get into and why? Thanks in advance for heads upI would not take the chance! In 2006 the police took me to the police office and locked me in a room for about 4 hours because I had forgotten my passport in the apartment.
If you stay longer than 5 days in Belarus you have to register anyway at the local police office (OVIR). At that time they will check your visa. Well, theoretically you can also stay in Belarus without been registered at the OVIR. However, if police catches you without visa and without been registered, then I prefer not to think what they might do with you.
Thanks everyone for advice. Explorer, why did you get stopped? I aso spent a month in Minsk once and never got stopped by police. I will get the visa just in case. When you rent apartments they don't care about the visa. Also if entering by train and if you get stopped you can say you just arrived yesterday from Russia (for purposes of registration say if you've already been in Belarus for more than 5 days). Visa is good though if you want to leave to another country other than russia and or if you leave via Russia you can then enter again since nobody knows you've entered before.
Member #4274
05-27-12, 06:32
Thanks everyone for advice. Explorer, why did you get stopped? I aso spent a month in Minsk once and never got stopped by police. I will get the visa just in case. When you rent apartments they don't care about the visa. Also if entering by train and if you get stopped you can say you just arrived yesterday from Russia (for purposes of registration say if you've already been in Belarus for more than 5 days). Visa is good though if you want to leave to another country other than russia and or if you leave via Russia you can then enter again since nobody knows you've entered before.I have been to Minsk twice; both times for one month and I've never been stopped. I have even walked by police chatting in English with a Belarusian chick and they did not bother with me (a habit I try to avoid, by the way). Belarusian cops, or so I have heard, are far more honest and respectable then police in other Eastern European countries. So, it is rare to get pulled aside. However, not having a visa is a unwise practice. Sure, a visa not cheap but its better then dealing with the authorities.
East Explorer
05-27-12, 08:26
Thanks everyone for advice. Explorer, why did you get stopped?Yes, I was stopped and asked for the passport by two policemen while walking alone on the street during daytime. They then asked me to walk between them to the next police office. People on the street were looking at me as I had committed a major crime. Afterwards, my business partners had to bring my passport and pay an administrative fee (aka bribe) to the officers in order to get me out of there.
I agree, it is very uncommon that you get asked for your passport if you keep a low profile. I was more than 20 times in Minsk and this happened only once.
Bellerophonv
06-30-12, 22:59
Sex Tours Save The Belarusian Tourist Industry.
http://belarusdigest.com/story/sex-tours-save-belarusian-tourist-industry-9664
Felix Nordic
07-19-12, 19:33
Very good article and thanks for sharing. I wonder though, if the scared Lukashenka will really allow foreign tourists into his sacred country without Visa (and control). He might loose his power.
And it might be the nail in the coffin for this hidden gem for "sex tourists" and it will get exploited like Moldova. Who knows.
Cheers and happy hunting, as always.
/Felix
Is there a website where to write to girls before arriving in Belarus?
Is there a website where to write to girls before arriving in Belarus?www.mamba.ru.
www.mail.ru
Dear experienced Belarus hands.
I am a fluent Russian speaker with a good few years of experience from Russia and some other post-Soviet countries. I have however never been to Belarus. Over the past year I have been with two different Belarussian girls, both of whom I have basically fallen in love with (one ultra-pro and one totally non-pro). So I am wondering, perhaps Belarus is the place for me? My first trip would be a relatively short and true mongering trip, so although I am keen on dating non-pros and longer term relationships, it would be a pure mongering mission with the aim of sleeping with 2-3 professional girls per day for about 5 days. My impression from reading the forum is that Belarus is great for non-pros, but it is less clear to me whether the market is transparent and efficient enough for me to pull off something like this. Your advice is highly appreciated.
I should perhaps also mention that I have a thing for short, skinny girls, ideally 18-21 years old. Large breasts don't do much for me.
Both of the girls that I have liked so much have been highly educated (one formally, one informally) , and both had very large labia. That is something that really turns me on. (If I wrote what I think about the plastic surgeons who do labiaplasty I would probably get banned from the forum.) So another question I have is: Is there somehow a higher proportion of large labia among Belarussian women than other women?
Felix Nordic
05-04-13, 21:07
Dear experienced Belarus hands.
I am a fluent Russian speaker with a good few years of experience from Russia and some other post-Soviet countries. I have however never been to Belarus. Over the past year I have been with two different Belarussian girls, both of whom I have basically fallen in love with (one ultra-pro and one totally non-pro). So I am wondering, perhaps Belarus is the place for me? My first trip would be a relatively short and true mongering trip, so although I am keen on dating non-pros and longer term relationships, it would be a pure mongering mission with the aim of sleeping with 2-3 professional girls per day for about 5 days. My impression from reading the forum is that Belarus is great for non-pros, but it is less clear to me whether the market is transparent and efficient enough for me to pull off something like this. Your advice is highly appreciated.
I should perhaps also mention that I have a thing for short, skinny girls, ideally 18-21 years old. Large breasts don't do much for me.
Both of the girls that I have liked so much have been highly educated (one formally, one informally) , and both had very large labia. That is something that really turns me on. (If I wrote what I think about the plastic surgeons who do labiaplasty I would probably get banned from the forum.) So another question I have is: Is there somehow a higher proportion of large labia among Belarussian women than other women?Who doesn't like skinny young girls? . If you are fluent in Russian and a smart hunter I am sure you can score well in Belarus. Also experience from Russia weighs in. I was in Russia 8 times myself. There are similarities, but yet differences. IMHO Russian girls are more easy and openminded and girls from Belarus a bit more reserved. If you know Russian language and are from outside you have a good advantage. Especially if on business. If you know Russian language well I think you can score in the clubs. But thats not very fast as fewer girl in Belarus are open for one night stands as in Russia. Better do your preparations on internet well in advance. I have tested the scene and there are quite many sponsor girls ready for action. As today. Some ask for money that is astronomical and some for normal cash, like a USD 100 for an evening with all included, without condom sometimes if you like. It is not that easy to find pay girls in Belarus as it is all more hidden. The best bet is to find the sponsor girls. They are often pure gold but there are also a few scams. But in comparison not that frequent. Go on Mamba and use charm and reason to visit Belarus because of business, claim that you come on a regular basis. Most girls, even sponsor girls, like if there is a continuation, or a chance for something serius. The hard core pros are only in the game for money, and quite often thy ask international prices if they feel you are a rich foreigner. Some don't, and they are fresh, and can be good options. If you want to shag 2-3 pros a day it will cost you, even if in Belarus. If you can find the semi-pros on internet such as Mama, it will be better and cheaper, provided you make wise choices.
Cheers.
/Felix
Passepartout
10-10-13, 21:18
Both of the girls that I have liked so much have been highly educated (one formally, one informally) , and both had very large labia. That is something that really turns me on. (If I wrote what I think about the plastic surgeons who do labiaplasty I would probably get banned from the forum.) So another question I have is: Is there somehow a higher proportion of large labia among Belarussian women than other women?It does not make the statistic but my girlfriend is from belarus and also got large labia.
For the p4p market, it is not Moscow. You need to go to disco, spot the working girls, etc. I would not say that minsk is a mongering location. A paradise for freebie for sure, but not for p4p.
MinskGuide
01-24-14, 16:11
Is there a website where to write to girls before arriving in Belarus?Forum about Minsk in English (http://forum.minskherald.by)
Might be good to search there as most forum members are Language University students (that means females 18-21 year old). Also, have a look at this topic.
http://forum.minskherald.by/marriage-to-a-foreigner-t70.html
This could help you understand what Belarusian ladies are really thinking about foreigners.
Member #4274
02-01-14, 15:38
Who doesn't like skinny young girls? . If you are fluent in Russian and a smart hunter I am sure you can score well in Belarus. Also experience from Russia weighs in. I was in Russia 8 times myself. There are similarities, but yet differences. IMHO Russian girls are more easy and openminded and girls from Belarus a bit more reserved. If you know Russian language and are from outside you have a good advantage. Especially if on business. If you know Russian language well I think you can score in the clubs. But thats not very fast as fewer girl in Belarus are open for one night stands as in Russia. Better do your preparations on internet well in advance. I have tested the scene and there are quite many sponsor girls ready for action. As today. Some ask for money that is astronomical and some for normal cash, like a USD 100 for an evening with all included, without condom sometimes if you like. It is not that easy to find pay girls in Belarus as it is all more hidden. The best bet is to find the sponsor girls. They are often pure gold but there are also a few scams. But in comparison not that frequent. Go on Mamba and use charm and reason to visit Belarus because of business, claim that you come on a regular basis. Most girls, even sponsor girls, like if there is a continuation, or a chance for something serius. The hard core pros are only in the game for money, and quite often thy ask international prices if they feel you are a rich foreigner. Some don't, and they are fresh, and can be good options. If you want to shag 2-3 pros a day it will cost you, even if in Belarus. If you can find the semi-pros on internet such as Mama, it will be better and cheaper, provided you make wise choices.
Cheers.
/FelixI could not agree more. Well said. Sponsorship is the way to go and if you are wise, patient and treat her with respect you will have a sexy, young, university girl naked in your bed every night you are in Minsk and every time you return. Belarusian women are not like Ukrainian or Russian girls. Much more conservative but much sweeter and loyal.
DoctorOral
03-09-14, 08:40
Felix could you clean your pm box for me, please? I would need your help.
QUOTE=Felix Nordic; 1418727]Who doesn't like skinny young girls? . If you are fluent in Russian and a smart hunter I am sure you can score well in Belarus. Also experience from Russia weighs in. I was in Russia 8 times myself. There are similarities, but yet differences. IMHO Russian girls are more easy and openminded and girls from Belarus a bit more reserved. If you know Russian language and are from outside you have a good advantage. Especially if on business. If you know Russian language well I think you can score in the clubs. But thats not very fast as fewer girl in Belarus are open for one night stands as in Russia. Better do your preparations on internet well in advance. I have tested the scene and there are quite many sponsor girls ready for action. As today. Some ask for money that is astronomical and some for normal cash, like a USD 100 for an evening with all included, without condom sometimes if you like. It is not that easy to find pay girls in Belarus as it is all more hidden. The best bet is to find the sponsor girls. They are often pure gold but there are also a few scams. But in comparison not that frequent. Go on Mamba and use charm and reason to visit Belarus because of business, claim that you come on a regular basis. Most girls, even sponsor girls, like if there is a continuation, or a chance for something serius. The hard core pros are only in the game for money, and quite often thy ask international prices if they feel you are a rich foreigner. Some don't, and they are fresh, and can be good options. If you want to shag 2-3 pros a day it will cost you, even if in Belarus. If you can find the semi-pros on internet such as Mama, it will be better and cheaper, provided you make wise choices.
Cheers.
/Felix[/QUOTE]
Does anybody know a website where I can find hookers or a brothel in Vitebsk?
Just returned from Belarus after 1 month there. For objectivity sake a few words about myself and my plans for that trip. I'm over 50 and most women do not find me attractive. I do try to look after myself, staying fit and healthy. On this trip I was mainly interested in attractive tall (170 cm) Belarusian women around 30, especially those who seemed disadvantaged financially and had to do shitty jobs like cleaning or selling food in markets, etc. I thought that after the recent economic problems in the country due to the Russian crisis more women might be in need of a sponsor. I hoped to find a candidate for a long term relationship but would happily welcome casual sex. I hired an Audi in Minsk and drove around the major cities in the Eastern half of the country hoping that there would be more dating and mongering opportunities in the provinces. I'm a Russian speaker so communication was not a problem. My experiences described below may not apply to younger and more attractive guys who might be more successful with Belarusian chicks.
A few general observations about the country and its women first. The country turned out to be just as prosperous as its EU neighbors to the West. Roads generally are good, there are no homeless people, cities are very clean, plenty of new luxury cars on the roads (driven mostly by young women! (someone later told me that their rich husbands lost driving licences due to drinking)). While the recent economic crisis caused a fall in local currency by 50% and the average salary dropped to around $300-400 per month, the overwhelming majority of the population live in their own housing as the government gives free flats to people who cannot afford to buy one. Rental rates, utilities, and food are cheap. So nobody here is in any real economic hardship and the result is that young women do not need sponsors. There are of course, as everywhere, gold diggers but they are after dollar multi-millionaires who can afford truly luxury lifestyle all year round. I was also surprised to see so many young women with children in Belarus. Many more than one normally sees in Western countries. I guess this could be another sign that the country is well off financially. I was also told that the government was giving free apartments to women who had at least 3 children. Seems like that contributed to the jump in birth rates. Belarussian birds are generally tall, blond, and slim. Really high quality, despite all those ecological disasters that have happened in the country. The only common problem in them, as in the most of the population, is seemingly poor dental care. Perhaps this is a cultural thing as locals just think it's not important how they teeth look like. A very high rate of smoking among females possibly contributes to that too. The women are very conservative (despite this emancipation sign like smoking) and the smaller the town the more conservative its females are. Belarus is different in that regard from Russia. Russian tourists I talked to in Belarus confirmed that to me. For some reasons women here consider travelers as not worth having love affairs with, probably believing that the men will not return. Also telling is that I've not seen here old men with young women unlike in countries like Russia or Thailand. Belarussian chicks seem to have adopted Western attitudes to relationships unlike their Eastern sisters. Interesting that the population statistics indicates that there is also a small shortage of women under 35 in the cities. Even some young Belarussian men I talked to complained that their women are hard to get and courting them is mostly a waste of money. At one outdoor disco in a sanatorium (these relics of the Soviet era are still numerous in Belarus and are popular with Russian tourists, mostly older couples and women with children, who come here supposedly for 'medical treatment') I witnessed a Belarussian guy in his early 20's being very happy to dance with an ugly 40 yo single Russian lady and then quickly walking away with her holding hands probably looking for more intimate atmosphere. This happened while plenty of pretty local girls of his age were dancing around. The vast majority of nightclubs in Belarus have only teenagers and those in their early 20's as customers. The same to lesser extent applies even to restaurants. It seems once you hit 30-40 here you're supposed to stay home.
I spent only 1 night in Minsk. Stayed at the hotel Minsk and the security guard there suggested the Next nightclub at the Crowne Plaza hotel for girls for hire. Their prices are USD300 per hour and the girls were really 30 yo+ short women of average quality and short. The place was full of Turks as they dominate as sexpats in most of the CIS countries. Later on, after returning to my hotel the same guy also pointed out to me a lady sitting in the lobby bar who apparently could be my 'city tour guide' as he put it. The lady was about 30 yo, 166 cm high, well groomed, dyed blond, but not a stunning beauty by a long stretch. So I had a talk with her. She wanted USD200 for 1 h but would give a discount for a whole night at $500. She told me that she needed money to renovate her apartment and has just bought a new car. Then she went on to tell me about her recent American client, a sucker from Chicago, who spent a fortune on her. She did not seek a long term relationship with clients and planned to find a true love among her compatriots as soon as she has saved enough money to be independent in any such future relationship. When I told her that I was looking for someone taller she pointed out that large women have everything large in them.
Next on my itinerary was Bobruisk, a town of about 200 K in 140 km from Minsk. This turned out to be the only town in the country where I saw street prostitution. I stayed first night at the hotel Tourist and saw one Turkish tourist there. I thought that was a good sign for availability of chicks. The place to find street action is the bus stop on the right hand side of the main Minskaya Street right on the edge of the city if driving out in the direction of Minsk. The street there becomes a single lane highway and behind the bus stop one can see towering buildings of Belshina, a plant that makes truck tires. If you drive a few hundred meters further out of town you see on the right a sign of Eloviki market (and a road leading there) you've gone too far. Girls mostly seat inside the bus stop but sometimes some hang out on the opposite side of the road in front of the bus stop and as far as the war memorial a few hundred meters back towards the city centre. They appear there at 6-7 pm and are gone by the dusk. The girls I saw were short, plump, in their late 20's. Early 30's. Over a period of a few days I saw only about 5 different girls, so don't expect much choice. And the quality was low I did not get tempted. Prices start from 20 $ for short time. Their main customers are long distance truck drivers that drive through the town. I spent a few days in Bobruisk trying to pick up chicks in nightclubs, parks, markets, shops, on the river beach, and in local sanatorium discos. The result was zilch. Even the roughest 30+ yo women selling vegetables in the market did not want even just to go out with me after work. Reasons cited were either being already married or in a long term relationship, but they probably just did not like me. Some were happy to talk to me about their lives and none were in any financial strain. In fact it seemed just working a small stall selling tea or fruits in the market was enough for them to support their families and lead a comfortable life. I also went to a few nightclubs but did not see any pick up opportunities. Most of the clubs cater for teenagers.
On the way to Gomel, the next big city, from Bobruisk I stayed a couple of nights at a large Pridneprovski sanatorium, 10 km from the town of Rogachev, which has a capacity for 500 holiday makers. None of the women I saw there with children and without husbands showed any interest in making friends with me. Talked to one single lady in her late 20's staying there. She was from Belarus and while happy to talk with me she outright refused having any date. Tried my charms at some young medical personnel but only the least attractive one showed some interest.
The city of Gomel has about 500 k population. My first night I stayed at the Chisto hotel which according to tripadvisor.com is popular with foreigners. The receptionist told me that Turkish and Italian men (most likely sex tourists like me) often stay at the hotel. The next morning I was accosted on the porch in front of the entrance by a woman on high hills and high on alcohol who was clearly a sex worker. She was a Russian speaker but started talking to me in rather good English for some reasons. Told me she was 35, worked in Austria for 2 years (presumably in the same role), was single and had to look after her child. Several times she loudly declared that she was not a prostitute but immediately suggested after these statements that she would accept a 'gift' of $100 for her services. She actually had a room at the hotel paid by her customer who had left already and she invited me to come there before 5 pm when she had to check out. Her face was not bad for a 35 yo but without the high hills she was clearly below my standard of 170 cm and a bit plump. Seeing that I was not very keen on her she started telling me that any donation for her child would be welcome. I ended up giving her a rock melon that I bought a day before and she proudly left my room with it. Quite a character. Taxi drivers told me that there was occasional street action at a bus stop right on the edge of the city (just like in Bobruisk) in Rechinskiy street ('prospect') in the direction of town of Rechiza (the street becomes the main highway going West towards Brest) on the right hand side where one can see the last residential high-rises and just before forested area starts. That region of the city is officially called Solnechnaya. However, on all occasions I drove past that bus stop around 11 pm, as suggested by the taxi drivers, I did not see any girls. Perhaps in summer one has to come there later, after midnight, to find them. I did not bother to investigate further. A place for better quality pros, according to taxi drivers, is the cafes right in front of the hotel Tourist in Sovetskaya street. The drivers told me that there was one girl around 30 yo who was really high class and charged accordingly: $100 per hour. Girls are supposed to come here after 11 pm-midnight. I waited for them one night till 11:30 pm and none had turned up. As in Bobruisk I spent a few days in Gomel asking out attractive female traders in the local fruit and vegetable markets, my hotel room maids, waitresses, etc. Most of them told me they were not available and only some agreed to a date. Very tough indeed. If you don't mind staying out late at night you could try the Europa nightclub in Lenin's square (europaclub. By). Come here after midnight and you may be lucky to find some willing chicks. It's the biggest nightclub here and is considered OK for mature men interested in meeting younger chicks.
City of Mogilev was next. It's slightly smaller than Gomel but looked much more prosperous. And that prosperity was reflected in the attitude of women to street introductions. The situation here was even worse than in Gomel. Taxi drivers suggested to me the nightclub Forum at the end of Leninskaya street for picking up girls. But all I saw there were groups of firends and I was the only single customer. Lots of young birds hang around on the pedestrian Leninskaya street and the park in its centre. I saw young local guys picking them up occasionally. But these are not opportunities for older men like me.
My final destination before returning to Minsk was the city of Vitebsk. I befriended a receptionist in her late 30's at my hotel and she happily agreed to share a bottle of gin in my suite after 11 pm (she was on duty till the next morning). She was very easy going but not exactly what I was looking for height-wise. Nevertheless it was a pleasure to meet her. Apart from that the situation in Vitebsk, which is considered the poorest among the largest cities of Belarus, was the same as elsewhere. Younger chicks were not interested and older ones were either already married or too unattractive. Taxi drivers recommended 2 nightclubs for meeting chicks where guys of my age were common customers: Cafe Teatralnoe (Theater cafe) and Sobranie. Both are near the central hotel Vitebsk. These are tiny places though and again, like in other cities, most of the customers are groups of friends and there was no place like a bar stand for singles to have a drink. Don't bother coming earlier than midnight, except on Sat night when by 10 pm the places could be full and no new customers would be allowed in. The pedestrian part of Vitebsk, around Gogol street and Tolstoy street, and the parks on the river bank along those streets and in front of the hote Vitebsk are the place where young people hang out during the day and in the evening. I spent quite a bit of time walking around the area and did not see any approachable women except for one 50 yo lady who started a conversation with me but was too old to make me interested.
That's it. Treat this travel story as very subjective as others may be more attractive or luckier than me or come to Belarus on business and have therefore other avenues, more acceptable to locals, to meet beautiful ladies of this country. Or if one has lower standards things might look much rosier than they did to me. One thing is for sure, Belarus is not a great mongering destination for mature guys who come here as tourists.
New visa regulations by the end of the year, so I hear and read. It should make it less of a hassle to visit Minsk for a long weekend.
http://eng.belta.by/society/view/pomerantsev-belarus-72-hour-visa-free-transit-policy-can
" As was reported, the issue of introducing three-day visa-free stay in Belarus is under consideration".
But its already Visa Free for Turks http://eng.belta.by/society/view/number-of-turkish-visitors-to-belarus-expected-to-double-in-2015-86762-2015/.
http://eng.belta.by/society/view/number-of-turkish-visitors-to-belarus-expected-to-double-in-2015-86762-2015/
Their number is expected to double in 2015 . "Over 22,000 citizens of Turkey visited Belarus in 2014. In 2015, we expect the number of visitors at 40,000," said Dmitry Mironchik. ".
40,000 Frisky Mongers, LOL.
Other good news " Belarusian ruble to shed four zeros in 2016".
http://eng.belta.by/president/view/belarusian-ruble-to-shed-four-zeros-in-2016-86743-2015/
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