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There is a shortage of information on this board which suggests that France is not as actve as I know it is.
A similar site to this one if you read French is:
www.escortfr.net
I can help translate if you really need it, but am not always available
Nickster53
12-07-04, 17:42
I have been on assignment in Nancy France for a while and have noticed what seems like obvious working working girls at the bus stops in the evening after 10:00PM. With my admittedly poor French, I have tried to strike up a conversation, asking if they were waiting for a bus, if they were cold (I don't see how they couldn't be it is Fricking freezing here), asking if they wanted to go for a drink and even with the ultimate pick-up line, do you understand English. All of these gets a pretty cold response.
What am I doing wrong? Are these not working girls? Do I have to have a car to pick them up? Should I just ask "how much"? I am really frustrated that I haven't been able to score any action while I have been here. I have had some great trips to the FKK's on the weekend but I want to bring someone to my apartment and so far no luck.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I will be glad to share experiences in some of the other venues that I have ventured, but this one has me baffled.
Frustrated in France...N
Nick
I think you have nothing to loose to go to see these girls and ask them if they are working. You can just ask them in French (Vous travaillez? c'est combien?), are you working? ? how much is it?
If they are not SW (which I doubt) the worst which can happen to you , is : Get lost asshole!
Maybe they are working only in cars or parking, this means if you do not have a car , they may refuse to go with you.
Bonne Chance and report
Denis
I have been on assignment in Nancy France for a while and have noticed what seems like obvious working working girls at the bus stops in the evening after 10:00PM. With my admittedly poor French, I have tried to strike up a conversation, asking if they were waiting for a bus, if they were cold (I don't see how they couldn't be it is Fricking freezing here), asking if they wanted to go for a drink and even with the ultimate pick-up line, do you understand English. All of these gets a pretty cold response.
What am I doing wrong? Are these not working girls? Do I have to have a car to pick them up? Should I just ask "how much"? I am really frustrated that I haven't been able to score any action while I have been here. I have had some great trips to the FKK's on the weekend but I want to bring someone to my apartment and so far no luck.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I will be glad to share experiences in some of the other venues that I have ventured, but this one has me baffled.
Frustrated in France...N
Best place for SW action.................???? There must be more sw action then is listed on France section. I get the impression that Cannes and Nice is good...
"Street action" is not really the best way to find girls in France these days.
Around the railway stations in some towns you will find a few women, often old fat or black or all three, and on the out skirts of towns you will sometimes find eastern european girls waiting at laybyes on the Routes Nationales, but the days of finding attractive young French girls in the street have gone. Just look at what has happened to Rue St Denis in Paris which 15 years ago was a goldmine!
This does not mean that sex is dead in France. It just means that you have to look in different places and be smarter. It also implies that you need to make the effort to understand the language.
Just ask yourself how far a guy who spoke only French would get in London or Las Vegas.
1) You can use the Internet:
www.missive.com see "adultes"
It also has a chat channel on Mirc, housed is French speaking Switzerland to avoid French regulation mirc server address rc0.bsl.ch.swissirc.net
www.escortfr.net the equivalent in French to this site
2) You can chat to girls in discos and bars..even restaurants. I noticed two stunning North African girls in a restaurant a couple of weeks ago and just left them my name and number on a card with 150 euros written on the back, and sure enough one called me back, but you have to speak the language, and they are not pros...the French word is 'occasionelles'..obviously girls who do it sometimes when they need extra cash, and it tends to be when they want to, not you.
There is quite a thriving market in 'arrangements' between students and older men in University towns like Montpellier, but it takes a bit of time to get into.
3) Some of the sex shops with video cabins have a notice board
4) You can go to swinger clubs or nudist beaches such as Cap d'Agde on the Mediterranean see the article from Liberation on how health campaigners ar trying to get the people involved in the orgies to use condoms!
http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=316668
If you don't want to speak the language, you can pop over the border..to Belgium or the Netherlands if you are in the North, or to Spain if you are in the South.
1) Internet
www.escortfr.net is very trustable. But it's in French.
http://www.leguiderose.net is far less trustable than www.escortfr.net as the number of fake reviews skyrocketed with the implementation of a credits system. But click on the Union Jack flag and have a look.
2) City tours
A lot of EE agencies send their girls to Paris, Lyon, Nice or Toulouse for city tours. The list of escorts on tour can be found on www.leguiderose.net.
Price range goes from 180€ to 350€ an hour, both incall and outcall are possible.
Communication with the manager of the agencies is in English.
It's really to bad that France has dried up as a sw destination. But I suppose France got tired of a reputation for hookers.
Groslard,
can you tell us more about those arragements between older men and students?? How did you get into it?? I'm OK looking in early thirties, fairly well off and from Montpellier but very much loath going back there. Wouldn't mind making some arrangements in Mpl, Lyon and Paris with young western girls but still going to Asia almost every month and bored to tears with internet chat so am not improving much with the local targets... Might as well soon bring thai girls over here.
Yet if you know some girls around twenty, preferably fair skinned caucasian or asian who might be interested please do send a PM.
Cheers!
Luis
Jp Martinez
09-10-05, 14:32
I can give you accomodation against sex. I live in the center of Paris and I am a student. Please contact me.
Goldfinger
08-02-06, 23:17
Anybody been to Cap d'Agde the nudist resort in the south of france? I have heard there is a lot of action.
Road Lover
10-14-06, 20:07
Thanks for all your wonderful reports. I am a first timer in France and would spend a short week in Fontainbleau and may be a couple of days in paris. I am discouraged by the reports on the difficulty of getting action in smaller towns in France. I am told Paris is a just an hour away. Do I need to go to Paris to satisfy my urges! For someone not staying in Paris proper, are there places one can visit where service could be had? I have read the excellent description about swing clubs, but they look chancy dont they? Any other contacts for a willing member please?
Could you give me any help and tips?
Knight 1001
11-02-06, 22:39
Sorry to ask but are you a girl or a guy ?
Cheers
I can give you accomodation against sex. I live in the center of Paris and I am a student. Please contact me.
Xavier Yves
01-27-07, 22:57
If you want cheap sex in France, the best is going in Lyon on Quai Perrache you have vans where you will find blacks but you will find eastern european and nothern african ladies too and you will have with them CBJ + fuck for 20 €. Normal price is 30 € but if you negociate you will have it for just twenty.
Happy hunting!
I guess this also can be found in Paris, Bois Boulogne. Totally unsafe....a lot of drug dealers and police control
I guess this also can be found in Paris, Bois Boulogne. Totally unsafe....a lot of drug dealers and police control
True, but the buzz can be intense............
PS Just make sure its a "girl" you are picking up/shagging......lol
I was wondering if the SW's still hang out by the railway stations.
* Angers
o Place Pierre-Semard
* Bordeaux
o Quartier de la gare Saint Jean : Belcier, quai de paludate
o Quartier Saint-Rémi : rue du pont de la mousque, rue courbin
o Les quinconces
o Passage Birly, rue de Ruat : massages
* Le Havre
o Cours de la République
* Lille
o Quartier Peuple Belge Rue P. Ramadier (anciennement Place de Gand, Rue de Courtrai, Place aux Bleuets)
* Lyon
o 8e : Quartier Mermoz
* Mantes-la-Jolie
o Quartier du Val Fourré
* Marseille
o Rue Curiol
o Bd du Prado
o Rue Sénac (travestis)
o Rue Thubaneau
* Montpellier
o Quartier des Arceaux (prostituées)
o Bd de Strasbourg (prostituées)
o Le Peyrou
* Nantes
o rue Paul Belamy (prostituées)
o quai de la Fosse (prostituées)
o rue de Strasbourg (prostituées)
o Talensac (prostituées)
* Nice
o Avenue Thiers (Sex Shops)
o Vieux-Nice (Clubs et pubs)
o Promenade des Anglais(prostituées)
* Paris
o 1er et 4e : quartier de l'Hôtel de ville (clubs échangistes)
+ rue d'Argenteuil
+ rue des Fossés Saint-Marcel
+ rue François-Miron
+ rue Le Regrattier
+ rue du Pélican
+ rue Quincampoix
+ rue Richelieu
+ rue du Roule
+ rue Saint-Bon
+ rue Saint-Honoré
+ rue Thérèse
o 4e : rue Saint-Denis (prostituées)
o 9e : quartier Pigalle (prostituées) et rue Joubert (prostituées)
o 12e : Porte de Vincennes, sur les boulevards des Maréchaux
o 14e : rue de la Gaité
o 16e : Bois de Boulogne (prostituées, travestis)
o 16e : Porte Dauphine (Place du Maréchal de Lattre de Tassigny) et bas de l'Avenue Foch (travestis, couples échangistes)
o 17e : Boulevard de Clichy (prostituées)
o 19e : Rue d'Aubervilliers (divers)
* Rouen
o Boulevard des belges
* Strasbourg
o Neuhof
o Avenue de la Forêt-Noire
o Route du Rhin
o Quai des Alpes
o Quai Louis-Pasteur
o Boulevard de Lyon
o Quartier de la Gare
* Toulouse
o Rue Bayard
o Allées de Brienne
o Canal du midi
* Toulon
o ZUP de Berthe
o Basse-ville
o La Beaucaire
o Le Guynemer
o Le Jonquet
o Sainte-Musse
o ZUP La Rode
Dear Mongrers!!! I am planning to visit Cap Agde this summer in southern france and am wondering if anyone has visited that place and what is the feedback! your advise is very much appreciated!
THanks
TIM
If someone need help in Paris, for find girl or traduct page/message I will be happy to help a punter like me.
So in Paris it's really easy to find girl, the less price I paid is 20€ for a short time.
Knight 1001
04-22-09, 12:25
If someone need help in Paris, for find girl or traduct page/message I will be happy to help a punter like me.
So in Paris it's really easy to find girl, the less price I paid is 20€ for a short time.I would really appreciate any help to get nice girls in Paris ... I cannot find anything other than overly priced escorts which are out of my league.
Thanks a million bro. You can send me the info on PM if you wish.
Cheers
Hello, all
I am french and I know most of the places inmy country, so feel free to ask questions.
France is not a country for sex with wordking girls. All are old, dirty and expensive except some girls from eastern counstries in south near canne or nice but not famous!
A nice place for sex with amateur is cap d'agde naturis center but you cannot enter a night club without a lady, inside these night clubs it is big sex parties. But you neee to bring the girl at least to enter! But inside if you have nothing to exchange. LOL
In big cities and particularly in Paris do not go inside night bars called "bar americain" it is a trap for your money! And in France house with working girs are forbidden, so you will pay drinks. For nothing!
Bye
Mister Ting
06-08-09, 20:40
Hello, all
I am french and I know most of the places inmy country, so feel free to ask questions.
France is not a country for sex with wordking girls. All are old, dirty and expensive except some girls from eastern counstries in south near canne or nice but not famous!
A nice place for sex with amateur is cap d'agde naturis center but you cannot enter a night club without a lady, inside these night clubs it is big sex parties. But you neee to bring the girl at least to enter! But inside if you have nothing to exchange. LOL
In big cities and particularly in Paris do not go inside night bars called "bar americain" it is a trap for your money! And in France house with working girs are forbidden, so you will pay drinks. For nothing!
ByeHi,
I am in the Airport Area for a few weeks. Do you have any Contact information about a nice Girl who will visit my appartment hotel?
Would be nice to get any Information asap
Hope to hear from you soon
Knight 1001
07-02-09, 20:53
I will be in Paris on Monday on business, departing on Thursday if anyone wants to get together to checkout some girls. I have been on a couple dating websites, so I do have some contacts already.
Rene
Let us know how to contact you by PM and I maybe able to join you on one of the days if I can get away hehehe.
Welcome to France
Cheers
Knight
Chinagirl Lover
07-12-09, 22:33
Belleville HOWTO:
Intro
I live in Paris near Belleville. This is an "how to" document to tackle chineese prostitution in Belleville.
How to get there
In order to get to Belleville, you can take the tube to "Belleville" (for night prostitution and day prostitution) or "Colonel Fabien" station (at night only).
"Colonel Fabien" is where the French Communist Party has got it's head office.
You can also take a taxi to "Rue de la présentation"
How to dress:
Dress casualy in ordinary clothes. Avoid luxury garments or torn jeans.
What girls can be found in Belleville:
You will be able to find chineese girls with an age ranging from 18YO to 60YO. Nevertheless most of them are aged from 35YO to 45YO. The medium age is about 37YO. Girls under 28Yo are extremely rare. Most of these chineese girls look plain. It is difficult to find a beauty. Nevertheless, most of them are kind and gentle. Some of them can even be GFE. Most of the girls are illegal immigrants and fear the police. Some of them are legal because they asked to get the legal status of political refugee. It takes about a year to get an answer. Meanwhile they can stay legaly in France. Some rare sucessfull prostitutes managed to marry a French guy. So they have a residence permit and can not be expelled if caugh by the french police.You won't find north-african girls, black girls, or Bulgarian girls in that area. It is an exclusively "Chineese prostitution" area.
Prices
Most girls will try to offer a quickie for 60 or 80 EUR. This is not the normal price. It is just a price to start bargaining. A quickie is usualy sold between 30 EUR and 50 EUR depending on the age and the beauty of the girl. A standard price is 40 EUR for a girl aged 35YO who will do service in a nearby flat. A quickie can sometime be understoud as a 1 hour service which is not a quikie! It really depends on the girl. Some of them consider that 40 EUR buys you one hours of GFE. Others consider that it is just 15mn. So the rule of thumb is to offer 30 EUR in the beginning. Then you say 40 EUR. If the girl is "normal" 40 EUR is a good price. If she is young and pretty you can go up to 50 EUR or may be 60 EUR if she is really exceptional which is rare.
The room:
Most of the girls will lead you to a room owned by a friend of them. This is free of charge (apart from what they actualy charge for sex). It is never their own place. That is what they always say... It is very rare that they get you into an hotel where you will have to pay for the room (hotel will then cost from 35EUR to 60 EUR. The average cost is 40 EUR). Sometimes, some of them will ask you to pay for the room owned by a mama-san. The price will then be around 20 or 30 EUR. This is rare and should not be encouraged. Anyway, the French Police has been closing most of these place after some time (they are slow to dig what is going on. But in the end, they understand what is happening and where.). There is such a place located near metro Pyrénnées. But I did'nt have to pay for the room in that place. So it is not really a "clandé" (clandestine bordelo).
It is also possible that the girl is married to a French guy. The girl can then bring you to her place where you will have the pleasure of screwing the girl on the bed that she shares with her loved husband (poor husband!). Some of these prostitues have managed to lure French guys into marrying them. That way they can't be expelled from France if they get caught prostiting themselves by the french cops. Most of these girls never quit prostitution although the french guy thinks he got her out of her trade.
where to meet the working girls
from 12:00CET to 19:00CET :
The action takes place between tube station "Belleville" and "Rue de la Présentation à la Vierge Marie" (the name of the street is about when an Angel told Virgin Mary that she got pregnant from God. No joke. This is true. And this is where the prostitutes do work!!! Excellent! LOL!). The girls are near a restaurant that is called "Le président". Most chineese people living in Paris get married in this restaurant (I don't know why). Some days, the girls will be there till 23:00CET. If you can't find them at nigh go at Boulevard de la Villette.
from 22:30CET to 24:00CET and may be till 1am depending on the weather:
Boulevard de la Villette from tube Station Belleville to tube station "Colonel Fabien" (where the Communist Party is). Most of the girls stand between "Rue du Buisson Saint Louis" and "Rue Burnouf" only in the central sidewalk located on "Boulevard de la Villette". Nevertheless, some girls go behond between the 2 tube stations (Belleville and Colonel Fabien).
What to bring:
I suggest that you bring with you:
- your personal condoms. Most girls use the ones given free by "Medecin du Monde" ("doctors of the world": a french Non Governemental Organisation which tries to help chineese prostitues). They are perfectly safe. But some of the girls have got Chineese condoms that I would not bet my life on, if you see what I mean.
- lubricant. some girls don't even know about this although "Medecin du Monde" does a great work for prevention of STD.
- something to fuck on (in order not to have sex on the sheets of their bed): a large towel for example.
- a piece of soap
- a towel
How to be safe
- avoid week-ends: too many customers, too many "voyoux" (bad boys) from the suburbs.
- avoid fights with bad boys from the suburbs. always be polite.
- discuss prices before going with the girls. Most of them don't speak more than 10 words of French. Be sure both parties understand fully what the arrangement is about before going to her room.
- avoid the French police. They regularly patrol the area but seem blind to what is really happening in the area. If you get caught they will put you under pressure so that you betray the Chineese girl by saying that she offered you to pay for sex. This means for the girl "eviction to China". So if you get caught and if possible, try to invent any story to avoid sending the poor girl back to China. Saying that she is your GF might lead you nowhere and the cops might even keep you for 48h or send you to see a judge at "l'Ile de la Cité". If you get caught you theoreticaly don't risk anything apart from spending some time at the Police station and beeing sent to see a judge which is VERY unpleasant. Buying sex is legal in France. So it should only be scaring people and nothing more. Nevertheless, helping a foreigner to stay in France is a very serious offense in France. So pretending that the girl is not a prostitute might lead to such a charge (you are trying to help her staying in France as an illegal immigrant). For that offense, you risk 2 months to 5 years in jail and a fine from 3000 EUR to 30.000 EUR. So it is better to think twice before telling them bullshit. May be the best idea is to avoid saying anything and especialy to sign any document that says that the girl was offering sex for money. In my opinion, they just want to scare you, they can't do much.
- The place is really safe unless you act especialy stupidly. There are grocery shops and bars open most of the night.
- bring your passport or ID in case you get controled by the french cops ("les poulets").
How to speak with a chineese prostitute
These Chineese girls don't uderstand much French. These are the words they understand. 90% of them don't speak English.
English / French spoken by Chineese prostitute in Belleville
Are you a prostitute working for sex? = toi travail???
Yes, I work as a prostitute. = moi travail.
Do you have a room? (meaning that you don't want to pay for a hotel room because you are not rich - I never said "Cheap Charly") = toi maison?
Yes, I do have a room where I will be delighted to offer you outstanding sexual services = oui. moi maison.
How much do you charge for your exquisite sexual services? = Toi combien?
I charge xxx EUR for a mystery service which you will find out when (if) we get to my room. = Moi: XXX.
By some extraordinary luck, would you happen to have a french passport and to be single? In that case, I would be honored and delighted to marry you ASAP in order to be a legal prostitute. (always wear a marriage ring when going to Belleville) = toi marié?
Blow job = pipe
condom = capote = préservatif
BBBJ = pipe sans capote (most of them won't do it because they were told not to do it by "Médecin du monde")
A-level: unheard of in Belleville. You are wasting your time beating a dead horse. = toi gros pervers Français. moi pas faire anal. (their answer. LOL!)
Don't take too much time asking for duration of the sexual service or the exact nature of the sexual service you intend to buy. Their french usualy don't go that far. It is always a good idea to get details. But unfortunalty, their don't master french enough to get that far into details.
Comming soon by the same author: HOWTO SSD ("How to" for the Strasbourg Saint Denis area).
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Knight 1001
07-16-09, 20:55
Belleville HOWTO:
Intro
I live in Paris near Belleville. This is an "how to" document to tackle chineese prostitution in Belleville.
........ Buying sex is legal in France. So it should only be scaring people and nothing more. ....
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Bro thanks for the very useful and interesting report. Great job.
However, thanks to the now president, who was minister of interior before, getting caught buying sex in France IS an offence and has been for some years now. Like in the USA, both offering and bying sex are illegal though the cops tend to close an eye on the prostitutes, and don't ask me why ...
I am quite sure though I encourage those interested to double check it. Not so long ago, a politician was caught solliciting sex and was charged ... So my advice is ... check check check ... means serious trouble otherwise I hear.
Cheers
Chinagirl Lover
07-18-09, 12:37
bro thanks for the very useful and interesting report. great job. you are welcome.
however, thanks to the now president, who was minister of interior before, getting caught buying sex in france is an offence and has been for some years now. like in the usa, both offering and bying sex are illegal though the cops tend to close an eye on the prostitutes, and don't ask me why ...
i am quite sure though i encourage those interested to double check it. not so long ago, a politician was caught solliciting sex and was charged ... so my advice is ... check check check ... means serious trouble otherwise i hear.
cheersno, you are wrong.
the prostitutes are not allowed to offer their services on the street. it is called "raccolage passif" (difficult to translate because it does not even make sense in french) in the law. "raccolage passif" is when a wild-flower-of-the-streets sollicit service just by beeing on the street and not even temptating you by offering her service by some maughty talk such as "alors tu montes chéri? ". but it is authorised to buy the services.
nb: eric de montgolfier, a judge, tried to say that the law was applicable to customers. but that got nowhere. it is a wrong interpretation of the french law. google "eric de montgolfier" if you want all the details and if you want to know more about the personality of this judge. he is clearly a peculiar judge.
the politician who got caugh solliciting sex and who was charged was ambiel, who was the spokeman of the french government. he got into problems because when he was arrested, he payed it "i am the government. you are a policeman. you are under my orders. you are my servant. i am the lord" (i am exagerating a bit. but you get the idea). he acted foolishy. the policeman got angry. the girl was ****d. she was only 17 years old and not 18 years old. he got in trouble because the girl was ****d. this is the only reason.
he did a second mistake. he had gone to an hotel with that girl previouly. he was stupid enough to pay with his credit card. so the transaction was logged. when he started saying to the police that he did knew the girl, he later got in trouble when his bank account was searched and when the police went to the hotel. he was recognised there.
moreover, the girl said that she went with the guy four times in a nearby hotel. she was a minor. so he got in trouble over just that.
if he had played low profile and ovoided saying that he was the spokeman of the french gov, i suppose that he might have been released the same day and no one would have known about the whole thing.
never pay with a credit card when you go to an hotel with a "fille de joie". you would have to type your pin code and then this a 100% proof that you were there. when you use cash, the is still a small doubt and you can pretend that you were not in that place.
details can be read in french here: l'express news paper http://www.lexpress.fr/informations/affaire-ambiel-nouvelles-questions_655939.html
selon la loi du 5 mars 2002, dite loi ségolène royal, le seul fait de «solliciter» des relations sexuelles de la part d'un mineur contre rémunération est punissable de trois ans d'emprisonnement, de cinq si la relation est «habituelle». mais la majorité des jugements se soldent par du sursis. (quoted from "l'express", the newpaper)
translation: trying to have paying-sex (not even having sex) with a minor of age under 18yo can be punished by 3 years emprisonment and 5 years if you are a returning customer. nevertheless most judgements end up by probation time.[my opinion: i would'nt bet on that! ] (you would only go to jail if you are caught a 2nd time).[this does not represent my opinion. i am just translating the french newspaper. the laws are different if you don't pay the girl. don't get me wrong].
so, if the girl is over 18yo, you don't risk anything. the problem is that it is difficult to say how old they are. to stay on the safe side, you had better choose them over 25yo or to ask for their passport (a fake passport used to cost 200 eur in 2002 in bulgaria. so it proves nothing.).
the illegal part is helping a foreigner to stay in france when she is not allowed to stay in france. you risk 5 years in jail (in theory) for that offense. and giving money to a foreigner is just helping her. but usualy no one cares, if you help the cops. so the deal is help us or you get in trouble. the idea is to be uncooperative without getting in trouble.
most of the french "fille de joie" are illegal immigrants (exept bulgarian and romanian who are legal because bg and ro are now part of europe). most chineese girls are illegal immigrants. some of them have asked to be considered "polical refugees". during the period when the gov has'nt answered their application, they are legal. so most of the girls who have just arrived are legal (because of this stupid law). see my message below.
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The law was issued and promoted by a member of the government in 2003, named ... Nicolas Sarkhozy. He defended the point arguing that it would help police investigators to put pressure on girls who wouldnot want to collaborate with the police in order to struggle against the invasion of procurers (pimps) from Eastern Europe. The law was very seldom used.
Eric de Montgolfier is exactly the General Attorney in Nice (in French, Procureur de la République, nothing to do with a procurer). He decided to abuse this law in order to disturb clients in Nice since more and more clients would pay street hookers although that was wellknown they were placed tgere by pimps. Montgolfier said in addition he would keep on legal proceedings to the Appeal Court in order to harass customers of prostitutes. It seems he eventually found a more quiet solution to his problem.
In 2002, even before the law was voted the police arrested a young man in the city of Bordeaux and the local general Attorney started legal proceedings against him for solliciting a prostitute in the street. The court released him a few months later, but it is true that French customers had feared a prohibition in 2002 and 2003.
As a result, a new wave of prostitutes arrived from Romania. They started offering fairly good prices for a comfortable service in the hotel and they let customers contact them directly on their mobile phone. Then the pressure of the police gradually released since the police found out that using this law was helping procurers and they came to more classical laws : procurement is prohibited and severly punishedby French laws. The police also give tickets and threatens hotel managers who let prostitute rent a room with a customer. Since then, prices increased again and young Eastern Europe girls offered customers shorter sessions.
Chinagirl Lover
08-15-09, 11:21
Here are a few photos so that you can find the proper spots.
The photos were taken in july 2009 Boulevard de la Villette near Rue de Sambre et Meuse and near Rue Burnouf.
This is where you can find Chineese ladies from 22:30CET and 1:00CET. CET = Central Eastern Time = French time.
The faces of the passer by were all erased. Nevertheless , no working girls were on the pics. Most of the action takes place during the night in that area, not at day time.
In France - and French mongers can maybe help us to understand why as it is probably a good thing. Your sexually charged past can be well known and be part of your persona. It does not seem to be a problem for success, and probably actually add to it. I am aware of two examples - Catherine Ringer, lead singer of Rita Mitsouko, now singing alone, who financed her first CD by shooting porn, and another Catherine Millet, notorious swinger and at the same time editor in chief of arguably the leading contemporary art museum: Art Press. She wrote a successful book on her swinging experiences.
Belleville HOWTO:
Comming soon by the same author: HOWTO SSD ("How to" for the Strasbourg Saint Denis area).Thank you for good report, and We are waiting HOWTO SSD post eagerly.
As I will come first time to Paris for 3 days, can anyone suggest me and give me any address of young attractive ladies for a 50-70 euro for 15-20 minutes good sex. Is there any update in Paris scene. I am on a budget I am not into escorts, so I think I will try only street prostitutes if I see young beautiful girl in the streets. If I am not wrong, in paris there is no place to see many girls in private establishment to choose for sex like RLD, FKK or brothels? Is it true?
Cuba Tourist
04-15-11, 01:31
Sex clients could be fined, jailed under proposed law.
Soliciting sex could soon be criminalised, with jail sentences and hefty fines for offenders, if French lawmakers pass legislation that has been recommended by a parliamentary report published on Wednesday.
By Tony Todd
An association of French prostitutes has slammed a parliamentary report recommending that paying for sex should be criminalised.
Published on Wednesday, the report recommends a €3, 000 fine and up to six months in jail for those who solicit sex. Prostitution is not illegal in France, but procuring or soliciting other people for sex is.
Penned by lawmakers Danielle Bousquet (Socialist Party) and Guy Geoffrey (ruling UMP) , the report argues that, 'Punishing clients would make them understand that they are engaged in a form of exploitation. '
The new proposals would help demystify the trade, say the authors. 'It would reaffirm the principle of non-commercialisation of the human body and bury the myth that prostitution is simply the 'oldest trade in the world' once and for all. '
'Pimps would be the only winners'
But Mistress Gilda, a spokesperson for the French prostitutes' union STRASS, said the law would push the sex trade further underground and would have a profoundly negative impact on thousands of women – and men – who work in the sex trade in France.
'It would send prostitution even further to the fringes and put some of the most vulnerable people on the streets, under complete control of exploitative pimps, ' she told FRANCE 24.
'Prostitution is not going to vanish. And these pimps would be the only winners. '
Until 1946, Paris had a flourishing sex industry based around a number of established brothels, or maisons closes, which benefitted particularly from the patronage of the occupying German army during World War II.
A 1946 law closed the estimated 1, 400 brothels across France, ending a system that had regulated prostitution in the country since 1804.
France became officially 'abolitionist' in 1960, when it signed the 1949 UN Convention on the Suppression of Trafficking and the Exploitation of Prostitution.
In 2003, then interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy passed a law banning 'passive solicitation', a vague term aimed at curbing a manner of 'dress and attitude' that advertises sexual services.
'We want to pay our taxes'
If a law to criminalise sex clients is passed, France would join Norway, Iceland and Sweden, where clients face a fine of six months' pay and six months in jail.
But in Germany, sex workers get the same state benefits as other taxpayers – a system that Mistress Gilda said would be welcomed by the prostitutes working in France.
'We want to pay our taxes and we want to contribute to the social security system, ' she said. 'There is no reason why we should not have the same status as an artisan, a taxi driver or a freelance journalist. '
sex clients could be fined, jailed under proposed law.
soliciting sex could soon be criminalised, with jail sentences and hefty fines for offenders, if french lawmakers pass legislation that has been recommended by a parliamentary report published on wednesday.
by tony todd
an association of french prostitutes has slammed a parliamentary report recommending that paying for sex should be criminalised.
published on wednesday, the report recommends a €3, 000 fine and up to six months in jail for those who solicit sex. prostitution is not illegal in france, but procuring or soliciting other people for sex is.
penned by lawmakers danielle bousquet (socialist party) and guy geoffrey (ruling ump) , the report argues that, 'punishing clients would make them understand that they are engaged in a form of exploitation. '
the new proposals would help demystify the trade, say the authors. 'it would reaffirm the principle of non-commercialisation of the human body and bury the myth that prostitution is simply the 'oldest trade in the world' once and for all. '
'pimps would be the only winners'
but mistress gilda, a spokesperson for the french prostitutes' union strass, said the law would push the sex trade further underground and would have a profoundly negative impact on thousands of women – and men – who work in the sex trade in france.
'it would send prostitution even further to the fringes and put some of the most vulnerable people on the streets, under complete control of exploitative pimps, ' she told france 24.
'prostitution is not going to vanish. and these pimps would be the only winners. '
until 1946, paris had a flourishing sex industry based around a number of established brothels, or maisons closes, which benefitted particularly from the patronage of the occupying german army during world war ii.
a 1946 law closed the estimated 1, 400 brothels across france, ending a system that had regulated prostitution in the country since 1804.
france became officially 'abolitionist' in 1960, when it signed the 1949 un convention on the suppression of trafficking and the exploitation of prostitution.
in 2003, then interior minister nicolas sarkozy passed a law banning 'passive solicitation', a vague term aimed at curbing a manner of 'dress and attitude' that advertises sexual services.
'we want to pay our taxes'
if a law to criminalise sex clients is passed, france would join norway, iceland and sweden, where clients face a fine of six months' pay and six months in jail.
but in germany, sex workers get the same state benefits as other taxpayers – a system that mistress gilda said would be welcomed by the prostitutes working in france.
'we want to pay our taxes and we want to contribute to the social security system, ' she said. 'there is no reason why we should not have the same status as an artisan, a taxi driver or a freelance journalist. '. this will never become law. this is just pre electoral talk. whichever party gets to power will be too busy with far more pressing issues than that.
actually, mongering in france is currently alredy so depressing that it will not affect many people, since most are goung abroad (brussels in 90 minutes away, fkks 4-5 hours form paris by hspeed trains.)
Hi, I am going to make a 5-day unplanned trip to Paris in two weeks because I have two weeks off and found a very cheap ticket from the USA I plan to just monger and reading from the posts, France is not really the place. But can anyone give me advice on where to go? Belgium, Holland or Germany? I don't want to go too far from Charles de Gaulle airport. One place I want to try is an FKK but which is closest? Any help will be appreciated. Thanks.
France voting six month jail term for johns.
"Scandal-weary France to vote on outlawing prostitution.
As the public mood shifts, MPs consider six-month jail term for those caught paying for sex"
This is crazy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/04/france-prostitution-scandal-imprisonment
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Hi,
As I posted in the travel announcement section I will be in Paris for 2 nights (next weekend). The news look disappointing. Am I correct to I understand that there is no significant street action any more?
Are escorts from internet legal? Can you sill legally call for escorts to come to your hotel room?
Has the law against clients passed or not yet?
I would appreciate your input. And yes brothers I have RTFF but there isn't much information!
Many thanks.
Chinagirl Lover
06-18-12, 09:36
Hi,
Are escorts from internet legal? Can you sill legally call for escorts to come to your hotel room?
Has the law against clients passed or not yet?I am French. I live in Paris in SSD (Strasbourg Saint Denis area where there are many Chineese and Romanian prostitutes) and not far from Belleville.
This law hasn't been passed so far.
Nevertheless, the new "Assemblée Nationale" which has been elected yesterday (Sunday 17th of June 2012) is of Socialist majority. The socialists are supposed to be "against prostitution" (except DSK but he is going to be considered "persona non grata" for the next 10 years). Some right wing "theéputés" are also against prostitution because they think that prostitution is slavery. So they might vote a law against prostitution that gets most of the votes of the assembly members (may be 90%). They might decide that customers are criminals. It is possible. Of course, customers of prostitutes are not going to demonstrate in the streets, they won't burn cars or set up barricades. So there is not going to be much trouble if they do vote a law against customers.
The fact is that France has got more urgent problems (many of them) than Johns. We are in a huge economic crisis. The Eurozone might implode due to the impossibility of keeping on spending more money than what we have. So they have got others problems to deal with.
Nevertheless, during every economic crisis, governments have always been very strict on "morality" and so on. So it is quite possible that they try to be stricter on that plan. You also have to consider that in Paris, there is now a Chineese massage parlor at every street corner. This was unheard of 10 years ago. So they are in fact more liberal (the police is not enforcing the laws on pimping or at least they are not doing much effort!).
To answer your question, it is possible that only visible prostitution will be fought. Escorts on the Internet will be more difficult to track. For the time being, France is still a semi-free country and the police is not controlling who fucks with who and what happens in hotel room. It is still possible to commit adultery without the risk of beeing stoned alive (LOL). So far, no one can know if you have been paying for sex or if it was just adultery. (so far, it is still possible to pay using bank notes and you are allowed to carry maximum 10, 000 EUR (ten thousand euros) in bank notes on yourself. This should be sufficient to fuck several escorts at a time.).
Hi,
As I posted in the travel announcement section I will be in Paris for 2 nights (next weekend). The news look disappointing. Am I correct to I understand that there is no significant street action any more?
Are escorts from internet legal? Can you sill legally call for escorts to come to your hotel room?
Has the law against clients passed or not yet?
I would appreciate your input. And yes brothers I have RTFF but there isn't much information!
Many thanks.The law not yet passed with Hollande president less problems for customers than Sarkozy.
Ukraine's finest export FEMEN bring their message to Notre Dame...
http://www.france24.com/en/20130213-2013-02-13-2044-wb-en-media-watch-france
France is not a good choice for p4p seekers.
Brothels and massage parlors offering sex are strictly forbidden in France, actively prosecuted and very hard to find.
Ladies working independently from their own home are legally offering erotic services, and easily found. The keyword here is 'détente' = relaxation.
On: Vivastreet.
vivastreet (http://search.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy+nice-06000?lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&keywords=&cat_1=83&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&sp_common_designation=Femme&sp_common_second_type=&geosearch_text=Nice+-+06000&geo_radial_distance=5&searchGeoId=4958&end_field=)
On: Wannonce.
http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-adultes-85/p1.htm?num1=2&text1_1=&num2_1=&num3_1=&num4=&text2=&text1_2=&num2_2=&num3_2=&num5=&text4=&zok=1&pa=fr&z1=14&z2=&z3=1&z4=1&z5=1&z6=&num6=6
On: Publi.
http://www.publi.fr/contacts/detente/
And on: fr69.
http://www.fr69.com/annuaire.php?Theme=5
They generally offer you a 30 minutes 'massage coquine' with a choice of 'finitions'
'manuelle' = handjob or 'bucale' = fellatio or 'le rapport' = coitus, with different pricetags.
Older ladies and coloured girls may offfer man. 60 €. Fell. 80 €. Coit. 100 €.
Young good looking Caucasian ladies charge like man. 80 €. Fell 120 €. Coit. 150 €.
Good luck and have fun.
Hi Guys,
I posted in the Lyon forum, but I have a feeling no one goes there. Can anyone here help me with anything in Lyon? I'm here for a week and looking for a little fun.
Either, massage parl. Or sex clubs or anything. Can anyone help? I've been looking online and there isn't much ere, I suspect. Thanks and hope to hear from someone
Here are 186 ladies in Lyon waiting for your telephone call (and your money) :
http://search.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy+lyon? Lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&keywords=&cat_1=83&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&sp_common_designation=Femme&sp_common_second_type=&image_total=1&geosearch_text=Lyon&geo_radial_distance=5&searchGeoId=3520&end_field=
Here are 120 ladies (21 yrs < 40 yrs to receive you for 'massage érotique' in Lyon:
http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-adultes-85/p1.htm?num1=2&text1_1=21&num2_1=&num3_1=&num4=&text2=&text1_2=40&num2_2=&num3_2=&num5=&text4=1&num6=6
And 16 classy Escortgirls in Lyon if you feel like spending over 200 euros per hour (type Lyon in the search field):
http://www.fr69.com/annuaire.php?Theme=5
Finally 30 beautiful English speaking ladies with private apartments longing to see you (and your money).
http://www.6annonce.com/escorts/city_fr_lyon#sort=a; name=; af=i_1; l=en;
They were not so hard to find Knobbyxx.
Where can I get escorts near the novotel in Paris airport. Are they hotel friendly.
Yes, France is not a good spot for paying sex. It's much better to go to Spain or Germany. Even the expensive Switzerland is much better, especially the German part, Zürich and Basel.
The best would be to do like the hero of this novel : "Confessions the'un sexplorateur".
I have just read it and I had a good time reading this guy staying in different Eastern Europe country and having many call-girls for a price around 18-50 dollars. It's written in French, but easy to read. He will be traveling in Rumania, Hungary, Poland, Latvia, Lituania, Bielorussia and Ukraine.
http://www.amazon.fr/Confessions-dun-sexplorateur-ebook/dp/B00BU7K7W8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365238245&sr=8-1&keywords=sexplorateur
The guy prefers not having sex when he lives in France and just keep the money to use them in Eastern Europe.
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I currently am planning a trip here.
Where and how is the best place for some action during the day? Say around the afternoon?
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06-15-13, 23:26
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Doctor Popper
06-23-13, 14:09
I currently am planning a trip here.
Where and how is the best place for some action during the day? Say around the afternoon?Fabien.
Look at the Vivastreet site and Wannonce site for girls who offer massage in their home, and also check out the Chinese girls around metros Belleville and Strasbourg-St-Denis. I have found three or four massage parlors who offer FS as well.
Dr. P
LifeIsABeach
09-19-13, 03:27
French bill would criminalize paying for sex (September 2013)
Proposed legislation may outlaw paying for sex in France while giving prostitutes who are victims of sexual violence easier access to legal support. The preliminary text does not enjoy universal support.
Paying for sex in France may soon become a criminal offence, according to a forthcoming bill whose details were made public this week.
The proposed legislation would also overturn a 2003 law that penalises prostitutes overtly offering their services, rules that were intended to reduce the presence of sex workers in the streets but instead led prostitutes to 'dress down' while plying their trade.
'We are going to turn the law on its head, ' said Socialist Member of Parliament Maud Olivier, who authored a report that will be the basis of the bill. 'Prostitutes are victims and should not be treated like criminals. '
'The law is intended to reduce violence towards prostitutes and to get it into the general mindset that paying for sexual services is not acceptable. We need to destroy the idea that prostitution is a happy trade, ' she said, adding that of the estimated 40, 000 sex workers in France. 80 percent are women and 90 percent are immigrants.
The bill, which is due to be debated by the National Assembly (lower house) and the Senate starting in November, sets out progressive fines of up to 1, 500 euros for a first offence, to 7, 500 euros and six months' imprisonment for repeat offenders.
It would also give prostitutes who are victims of sexual violence easier access to legal residency in France, while opening the doors to suing pimps who force them to sell their bodies.
The move was welcomed by campaign group 'Mouvement du Nid', an association that helps prostitutes find justice in the case of sexual violence and exploitation by criminal networks.
'Women who sell their bodies for sex are not harming anyone and they shouldn't be seen as criminals, ' said the Mouvement du Nid's General Secretary Gregoire Thery.
'All the harm to the individuals involved and to society in general is committed by clients who are sexually violent towards prostitutes.
'This law will protect women. For the first time in French history it gives them the opportunity to tell clients who are violent or make unwelcome demands that they can be arrested and punished for committing an illegal act. '
'It will be a disaster'
The proposal does not have universal support, however, and organisations representing sex workers claim it would push prostitution further underground and subject women to increased risks.
AIDS advocacy group Act Up and French NGO Medecins du Monde (Doctors of the World) were among around 100 organisations who signed a petition against the proposition, arguing that it would "make prostitutes more vulnerable".
'Manon', a Paris prostitute who is spokeswoman for the STRASS sex workers union, told FRANCE 24 the bill would 'do exactly the opposite of what it is designed to achieve'.
'Prostitutes will have to work more clandestinely to protect their clients, putting them at greater danger of violence and further away from sexual health services, ' she said.
'It also means a drop in the number of clients, making it harder for us to make a living, ' she added. 'This in turn means that punters will be in a stronger position to pressure prostitutes into doing things they don't want to do, including having unprotected sex.
'They're doing this in the name of women's rights and it will be a disaster. It's just a cheap political move that will do nothing but harm. '
PunterWanderer
10-03-13, 21:15
It's always the same story: from time to time some unknown member of parliament comes out with a new punitive law against punters. Once the conservatives, once the socialists. It doesn't hurt anyone for each person to speak a lots with the brain turned off. Of course, IMHO France has others, much important, problems than criminalize the prostitution.
Nevertheless, France is already one of the worst countries for mongering in Europe, probably only scandinavian countries are even worst. Depressing p4p scene, a lot of rip-off, the good sexual services - which of course exist - and escorts / loft girls are overpriced, etc. Someone could say that an anti-mongering law may be an occasion to have clarity about p4p in France. So, every punter can cross out France from mongering-list.
As for me, I can only say that I haven't seen any change in the SW scene in Paris. Just a couple of night ago I took my periodic mongering tour in Boulevard de Belleville, and nothing was changed: the same Chinese SW, the same rates, the same service.
French bill would criminalize paying for sex (September 2013)
Proposed legislation may outlaw paying for sex in France while giving prostitutes who are victims of sexual violence easier access to legal support. The preliminary text does not enjoy universal support.
Paying for sex in France may soon become a criminal offence, according to a forthcoming bill whose details were made public this week.
The proposed legislation would also overturn a 2003 law that penalises prostitutes overtly offering their services, rules that were intended to reduce the presence of sex workers in the streets but instead led prostitutes to 'dress down' while plying their trade.
'We are going to turn the law on its head, ' said Socialist Member of Parliament Maud Olivier, who authored a report that will be the basis of the bill. 'Prostitutes are victims and should not be treated like criminals. '
'The law is intended to reduce violence towards prostitutes and to get it into the general mindset that paying for sexual services is not acceptable. We need to destroy the idea that prostitution is a happy trade, ' she said, adding that of the estimated 40, 000 sex workers in France. 80 percent are women and 90 percent are immigrants.
'They're doing this in the name of women's rights and it will be a disaster. It's just a cheap political move that will do nothing but harm. '
PunterWanderer
10-03-13, 21:38
Voilà, they seem not to have noticed the abrupt change of legislation about prostitution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVRz0mx2nDY
Sorry, it is in french. Basically it talks about the protest of the residents of this village in France, where an increasing number of SW work along the national road for many kilometers every day, f*k everywhere, also in privately owned gardens, etc... I don't know, maybe someone can sustain that they cause also road accidents...
It's an endless issue: maybe they can alert the police, but the only result is that they move some kilometers farther. It's the same thing with an anti-mongering law. The problem is only sweep under the carpet.
Just a quick report. Just returned from Nice and stayed right at the airport. SW's right out front. Just for a remote possibility I checked. Most were like my Grandmother and others were a 1 or 2 on a scale of 10 (10 being the best). Saw one who was marginally acceptable. Asked her price. 100 Euro's for 30 minutes! Might be worth it to some people, but not my choice. Stayed alone and was glad I saved my money. Mrclen
Green Banana
12-04-13, 18:39
I bet this new regulation won't help this country to recover its joie de vivre. Anyway it's a long time that Paris is no more 'A Moveable Feast', nor France a punter's paradise. Good times narrated by Uncle Ernst are gone for long. And along the 30 last years, situation just became worse.
France is a place to come with Mummy and the kids. Pay the due visits to Versailles, Le Louvre, and so on. Get an overpriced meal in a 3 stars restaurant. Enjoy the countryside, the wines, the bars. When you'll be bored (shouldn't take too long) , pretend you got business to deal with in Germany (or Spain, NL, Portugal, Germany, etc.) and escape for two days, leaving the family behind. When back, just fly home!
Dirty Old Voyeur
12-04-13, 20:02
It's official; the bill has been passed. Here's the story:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25217185
LukeSkywalker
12-05-13, 06:26
Many sweet-looking models in Paris.
Here are 186 ladies in Lyon waiting for your telephone call (and your money) :
http://search.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy+lyon? Lb=new&search=1&start_field=1&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&keywords=&cat_1=83&sp_personals_age%5Bstart%5D=&sp_personals_age%5Bend%5D=&sp_common_designation=Femme&sp_common_second_type=&image_total=1&geosearch_text=Lyon&geo_radial_distance=5&searchGeoId=3520&end_field=
Here are 120 ladies (21 yrs < 40 yrs to receive you for 'massage érotique' in Lyon:
http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-adultes-85/p1.htm?num1=2&text1_1=21&num2_1=&num3_1=&num4=&text2=&text1_2=40&num2_2=&num3_2=&num5=&text4=1&num6=6
And 16 classy Escortgirls in Lyon if you feel like spending over 200 euros per hour (type Lyon in the search field) :
http://www.fr69.com/annuaire.php?Theme=5
Finally 30 beautiful English speaking ladies with private apartments longing to see you (and your money).
http://www.6annonce.com/escorts/city_fr_lyon#sort=a; name=; af=i_1; l=en;
They were not so hard to find Knobbyxx.
LukeSkywalker
12-05-13, 06:30
The horny men need sex and the girls need money.
They will soon find ways for the men to pay the girls without getting caught by law enforcement, that is if France will even enforce this new law.
It's official; the bill has been passed. Here's the story:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25217185
LukeSkywalker
12-05-13, 06:32
There should be many "girls" working on Boulevarde Des Anglaises.
Just be careful, many are transsexuals.
Just a quick report. Just returned from Nice and stayed right at the airport. SW's right out front. Just for a remote possibility I checked. Most were like my Grandmother and others were a 1 or 2 on a scale of 10 (10 being the best). Saw one who was marginally acceptable. Asked her price. 100 Euro's for 30 minutes! Might be worth it to some people, but not my choice. Stayed alone and was glad I saved my money. Mrclen
The horny men need sex and the girls need money.
They will soon find ways for the men to pay the girls without getting caught by law enforcement, that is if France will even enforce this new law.Agree.
What this law may change is the street prostitution. It is likely that punters will be more cautious about this, and therefore will diminish this activity.
For instance, I will not take the risk to wander around in the Bois de Boulogne, risking to be caught by plain clothes police. I am not worried about a fine, but having to explain to the family what I was doing there, and why I ended up in a police van. Good deterrent.
For the rest, nothing will change, home based girls, M'Ps. Clubs etc. will continue to be open for business.
And yes, if you can take the first Thalys to Brussels or Cologne.
LukeSkywalker
12-07-13, 16:37
Street prostitution usually brings along other crimes.
It's also a nuisance depriving others of their normal activities in public places. It especially deprives girls and women the rights to use public properties for fear of being misidentified as prostitutes and rudely propositioned and harassed.
Neighborhoods in Hollywood and Beverly Hills in California, with expensive homes, were once turned into a combat zone with street prostitutes and their armed pimps, fighting, stealing, robbing, having sex in cars and in lawns in front of young children, littering the streets with used condoms. It was total anarchy. I am glad these cities got rid of those trash humans. People soliciting, buying or selling sex in public places deprive the rights of others and should be punished.
On the other hand, soliciting, buying and selling sex discreetly in private places, that do not interfere with others' rights should not be criminalized. Internet sites should be considered public places. If they offer sexual services and products without safeguards preventing access to minors or offense to the public good taste, then they would be infringing on public rights and should be penalized.
Do give us some info on how to get the best-looking girls and best services in Brussels and Cologne.
Agree.
What this law may change is the street prostitution. It is likely that punters will be more cautious about this, and therefore will diminish this activity.
For instance, I will not take the risk to wander around in the Bois de Boulogne, risking to be caught by plain clothes police. I am not worried about a fine, but having to explain to the family what I was doing there, and why I ended up in a police van. Good deterrent.
For the rest, nothing will change, home based girls, M'Ps. Clubs etc. Will continue to be open for business.
And yes, if you can take the first Thalys to Brussels or Cologne.
LukeSkywalker
12-07-13, 16:39
I mean Promenade des Anglaise, the main road from downtown Nice, along the beach, heading West to the airport.
There should be many "girls" working on Boulevarde Des Anglaises.
Just be careful, many are transsexuals.
Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good accessable golf Courses and good P4P?
Please PM me.
/Kirsia
Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good accessable golf Courses and good P4P?
Please PM me.
/KirsiaSurely not in France, which is definitively not a P4p destination, and is a second tier golfing country.
It is easy to find prostitutes in France, do not roam the streets just check these links and phone your lady of chpice:
http://escort.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy
http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-adultes-85/p1.htm?num1=2&text1_1=&num2_1=&num3_1=&num4=&text2=&text1_2=&num2_2=&num3_2=&num5=&text4=&num6=6
Be aware that 'massage érotique' or 'massage coquine' means sex.
It is easy to find prostitutes in France, do not roam the streets just check these links and phone your lady of chpice:
http://escort.vivastreet.com/escort-girl-boy
http://www.wannonce.com/rencontres-adultes-85/p1.htm?num1=2&text1_1=&num2_1=&num3_1=&num4=&text2=&text1_2=&num2_2=&num3_2=&num5=&text4=&num6=6
Be aware that 'massage érotique' or 'massage coquine' means sex.Yes, but be also aware that those ads are really hit or miss. Or bait and switch. But not much other choices in France. And certainly avoid the streets, too many junkies, and soon LE guys. If you read French the French forum youppie is useful.
Minatoku Man
06-15-14, 19:16
Yes, but be also aware that those ads are really hit or miss. Or bait and switch. But not much other choices in France. And certainly avoid the streets, too many junkies, and soon LE guys. If you read French the French forum youppie is useful.On May 6, the French site COMMENT SDUIRE announced that niamodel.com had disappeared - http://commentseduire.net/niamodel-escort-girl/ . The last version own Internet Archives Wayback Machine is dated April 11 - http://web.archive.org/web/20140411035546/http://niamodel.com/ . So the demise was between those 2 dates.
Niamodel, and several related sites all beginning with "nia" had been around for at least a decade, served France and francophone countries, and were distinctive in the world of sites for finding sex workers: that had the most detailed search engine around.
While many sites let you search for ages, some physical dimensions, and some activities, niamodel gave you tons of choices on search terms.
For example:
Willingness to accept handicapped clients. With light and heavy handicaps as options.
Ethnic origin - 12 choices.
Native language. About 40 choices.
Length of fingernails - 5 choices.
Type of sexual activity sought - 26 choices including 4 types of "trios".
It is for good reason that the site called itself "The Ultimate Escort's Search Engine".
Henri Dufresne
02-22-16, 12:23
There is a huge anti prostitution wave occurring right now in France against the escort industry.
Raid against the pro industry.
Everyone who helps a pro in France is considered to be a pimp (webmaster, host, taxi driver, landlord, hotel owner). So, for sure, some of them may not know it but the last arrests show that some innocent people who were not aware of the girls job have been arrested. Every week, there are stories of hotel owners, lanlords, webmasters being arrested in France.
Raid against customers:
In mid 2015, Assemble nationale have voted a law where customers can get a 1500 euros fine and 3750 euros (in case of the second time) if they are caught buying sexual services. French police is doing a big job right now to turn France to look like Iran from this point of view and lot's of people are arrested.
On the other hand, it is Europe, and it is so easy to cross any borders (Belgium (1 hour from Paris with Thalys), Germany, Switzerland, Spain) to get to a place without concerns.
Sad day in France:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-lawmakers-vote-punishing-prostitutes-clients-38186358
http://www.thelocal.fr/20160406/france-to-finally-make-it-illegal-to-pay-for-sex
Param Ahmad
04-07-16, 06:11
Laws like the new anti-prostitution law in France according to which only one of two consenting adults is deemed a criminal for what they both agree to is obvious unequal protection of the laws, and in this case, obvious discrimination against men. When are men going to wake up and start voting as a block against politicians who propose and / or vote for laws that discriminate against men? Examples are laws that criminalize a man who has sexual relations with a prostitute but does not criminalize the woman. Another example is laws that favor women in divorce and child custody, such as child support schedules requiring payment of vastly more than can be justified as the man's fair share of child support.
The claim that prostitution is violence against women because men are using their superior economic power to force women into prostitution is as nonsensical as saying a man is a victim of violence because he was forced into his career as an executive, salesman, barber, or whatever because he needed to earn a living. Anybody who thinks prostitutes are victims should ask a prostitute. The answers I've heard include these: "I decided to try it for a week and earned more in one week than my father, who is his 40's, earns in 4 months" and "I earn more in one night as a prostitute than I used to earn in one month at my regular job in Romania" and "After working here (as a prostitute), it's hard to go back to a regular paycheck" because a regular paycheck is so much more time for so much less income.
In many cultures, women are victims, in liberal western democracies, they are considered to be children, not adults capable of making their own choices.
Take the comments for which Trump recently got in trouble. He just said that if an act is illegal, in this case abortion, then all adults who participate on that crime ought to be punished. Hold on! Women punished? The liberals reacted!
Laws like the new anti-prostitution law in France according to which only one of two consenting adults is deemed a criminal for what they both agree to is obvious unequal protection of the laws, and in this case, obvious discrimination against men. When are men going to wake up and start voting as a block against politicians who propose and / or vote for laws that discriminate against men? Examples are laws that criminalize a man who has sexual relations with a prostitute but does not criminalize the woman. Another example is laws that favor women in divorce and child custody, such as child support schedules requiring payment of vastly more than can be justified as the man's fair share of child support.
The claim that prostitution is violence against women because men are using their superior economic power to force women into prostitution is as nonsensical as saying a man is a victim of violence because he was forced into his career as an executive, salesman, barber, or whatever because he needed to earn a living. Anybody who thinks prostitutes are victims should ask a prostitute. The answers I've heard include these: "I decided to try it for a week and earned more in one week than my father, who is his 40's, earns in 4 months" and "I earn more in one night as a prostitute than I used to earn in one month at my regular job in Romania" and "After working here (as a prostitute), it's hard to go back to a regular paycheck" because a regular paycheck is so much more time for so much less income.
Sad day in France:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-lawmakers-vote-punishing-prostitutes-clients-38186358
http://www.thelocal.fr/20160406/france-to-finally-make-it-illegal-to-pay-for-sexDoubt it will make much difference, just means people will be looking over there backs, all those women need to make money somehow.
Monte Christo
05-09-16, 20:03
All are there "amateur porn" agencies in Paris that organize gang-bangs & film (participants can wear masks)?
Doubt it will make much difference, just means people will be looking over there backs, all those women need to make money somehow.What does it matter in reality. Have there been any citations for prosecutions in Paris for any of the customers of the ladies? In the US it is illegal for both parties yet it still goes on.
SkittenBrever
10-12-16, 10:55
Laws like the new anti-prostitution law in France according to which only one of two consenting adults is deemed a criminal for what they both agree to is obvious unequal protection of the laws, and in this case, obvious discrimination against men. When are men going to wake up and start voting as a block against politicians who propose and / or vote for laws that discriminate against men? Examples are laws that criminalize a man who has sexual relations with a prostitute but does not criminalize the woman. Another example is laws that favor women in divorce and child custody, such as child support schedules requiring payment of vastly more than can be justified as the man's fair share of child support.
The claim that prostitution is violence against women because men are using their superior economic power to force women into prostitution is as nonsensical as saying a man is a victim of violence because he was forced into his career as an executive, salesman, barber, or whatever because he needed to earn a living. Anybody who thinks prostitutes are victims should ask a prostitute. The answers I've heard include these: "I decided to try it for a week and earned more in one week than my father, who is his 40's, earns in 4 months" and "I earn more in one night as a prostitute than I used to earn in one month at my regular job in Romania" and "After working here (as a prostitute), it's hard to go back to a regular paycheck" because a regular paycheck is so much more time for so much less income.The reason why these laws are being passed, is because of politics. Of bad, low quality politics. Most people don't care about prostitutes, since most people don't make use of them. So it's an industry few people know about. And they know even less about the prostitutes too. So it's easy to spread this fiction that the majority of prostitutes are forced into it, and are sex slaves. So by passing these laws left wing parties can do something 'progressive', which has the support of the population, but in reality does nothing to prevent prostitution, at best, just reduces it at street level (but increases it on internet advertising).
In Europe, I would saw about 20 to max 50% are sex slaves. But it's always the same women from the certain geographical areas. Black Africans (by the Nigerian mafia), Romanians (by gypsy pimps), and Chinese (by debt related Chinese mafia). The more expensive the prostitute (commonly known as escorts) , the less likely she is a sex slave. But in Sweden and Norway, police are always targeting clients of these high end prostitutes, because they're easy to find, and to deal with. The police makes numbers (x number of fines), and everyone is happy. While the Nigerian prostitutes are left alone, because they're a-lot harder to deal with. They're violent, and good at hiding from police. So the high end prostitutes leave Scandinavia, with the Nigerian ones remaining- talk about the law of unintended consequences.
What really needs to be done, is to punish punters to go with women who are sex slaves, even with prison terms. More police needs to be hired, and special squads of police (plain clothes) specialized in sex slavery to check all prostitutes (like in Denmark). Prostitution and brothels, then needs to be legalized with prostitutes being taxed. Also social workers need to be hired to check on them, and persuade them to leave the profession (job training, etc). Any brothel even suspected of mistreating the women, would be immediately closed by the police (like in Spain).
It won't eliminate prostitution, but it will certainly reduce the abuse. Will such laws be passed in prohibitionist countries (France, Sweden, Norway)? - not a chance. It would be so controversial, and expensive (extra police), that the citizens of these countries would oppose prostitution legalization!
Henri Dufresne
11-01-18, 15:08
Hi,
I am French and I would like to advise you about France. I received a lots of information from this forum and I should share. I had the opportunity to punt in Spain, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands. I never hired an escort in France but I know friends who did it.
I have never hired any women in France because the service is really low quality. Prices are high. Quality is low. Escort aren't serious. They may not show up. You risks to get a fine.
There are many cities that are close to countries where there are lots of great brothels and escorts. For example, if you are located in Montpellier, you are only 2 hours away from La Jonquera a Spanish village where you can find brothels with Eastern European and Latin american women.
If you are located in Nice you can go to Italy. If you are located in Paris or Lille you can go to Belgium where you can find many brothels. If you are located in Bordeaux or Toulouse you can go to the Spanish border where you will find brothels.
If you are located in Brittany, you can take the plane at dinard to have fun in the UK. Take advantage of the Ryanair and the flight destinations where there are FKK clubs.
Don't waste your time with local women.
PunterWanderer
01-30-20, 19:01
Just an unsolicited, general opinion on the topic of the prohibitionist law in France. I am a former expat in France who left the country already before the enforcement of the notorious 2016 law (the two things are not related anyway: the). I was back in Paris for a few days after long time; besides the city being the usual sh*thole for mongering, I noticed that nothing has really changed, both for SWs and loft / incall girls.
So, my guess is that either this law was intended to be a marketing operation to make nazifeminists happy or that police authorities are not serious about prosecuting prostitution (IMHO, the two options are possible, and one doesn't negate the other). The fact that only clients are pursued may also play a role in this apparent indifference for the new rules.
In any case, I don't think France will ever come back on that, as there was quite an agreement among parties at that time. Albeit in my experience this new deal has apparently no substance, let's only hope that this kind of prohibitionist discourse doesn't take ground also in the neighbouring countries, because occasionally you can hear proposals to "undertake the French path" on prostitution. And this really sucks.
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Interesting thread. France has a history of considering prostitution as shameful and therefore everyone, from basic people to politicians, tend to try to act as if it did not exist, as if they wanted it not to exist.
BUT it does exist of course, like in any other country, and people from all backgrounds use these services, from basic people to rich, famous or politicians.
This subject is highly hypocritical there and I think this is what makes services bad quality as you describe.
Girls can't work in good conditions, both they and their patients risk problems with the police, it's bad.
I hope his changes one day, there are countries close to France in Europe that treat sex workers much better, making the service of much better quality.
Interesting thread. France has a history of considering prostitution as shameful and therefore everyone, from basic people to politicians, tend to try to act as if it did not exist, as if they wanted it not to exist.
BUT it does exist of course, like in any other country, and people from all backgrounds use these services, from basic people to rich, famous or politicians.
This subject is highly hypocritical there and I think this is what makes services bad quality as you describe.
Girls can't work in good conditions, both they and their patients risk problems with the police, it's bad.
I hope his changes one day, there are countries close to France in Europe that treat sex workers much better, making the service of much better quality.As it goes, I was in Barcelona last week and was very happy and impressed by how this profession is considered and respected there. I had a brilliant experience at a high standing agency called sugargirls. Es.
I also went to apricots. Es which offers a top service too.
Both offer safe, clean and ethical services which suit both the client and the worker. An example to be followed!
BigButtDetecto
11-23-20, 03:52
Hi,
I am French and I would like to advise you about France. I received a lots of information from this forum and I should share. I had the opportunity to punt in Spain, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands. I never hired an escort in France but I know friends who did it.
I have never hired any women in France because the service is really low quality. Prices are high. Quality is low. Escort aren't serious. They may not show up. You risks to get a fine.
There are many cities that are close to countries where there are lots of great brothels and escorts. For example, if you are located in Montpellier, you are only 2 hours away from La Jonquera a Spanish village where you can find brothels with Eastern European and Latin american women.
If you are located in Nice you can go to Italy. If you are located in Paris or Lille you can go to Belgium where you can find many brothels. If you are located in Bordeaux or Toulouse you can go to the Spanish border where you will find brothels.
If you are located in Brittany, you can take the plane at dinard to have fun in the UK. Take advantage of the Ryanair and the flight destinations where there are FKK clubs.
Don't waste your time with local women.Totally agree don't waste time and money in France I am french BTW.
Fortunately for me, as a French I manage to find Slavian escorts on higher level than failing on so low level la Junquera. Sp and when Milano or Torino where I used to go, are now dead for escorts. When prostitution is not illegal in France, with some WGs in streets.
MiamiSammy
03-13-21, 16:43
Totally agree don't waste time and money in France I am french BTW.I'm trying to decide on my next trip, and the current choices are Medellin and La Jonquera. Has anyone visited both? Pros / cons of each, including the economics- price of girls as well as lodgings and food? Spain has an edge right now due to some of the cultural aspects, but Medellin is tried and true and never disappoints. Thoughts?
John Clayton
03-13-21, 17:01
I'm trying to decide on my next trip, and the current choices are Medellin and La Jonquera. Has anyone visited both? Pros / cons of each, including the economics- price of girls as well as lodgings and food? Spain has an edge right now due to some of the cultural aspects, but Medellin is tried and true and never disappoints. Thoughts?Well, Medellin is one of the most innovative cities of the world -- La Jonquera is just a truck stop.
Hi,
I am French and I would like to advise you about France. I received a lots of information from this forum and I should share. I had the opportunity to punt in Spain, Belgium, Germany, Netherlands. I never hired an escort in France but I know friends who did it.
I have never hired any women in France because the service is really low quality. Prices are high. Quality is low. Escort aren't serious. They may not show up. You risks to get a fine.
There are many cities that are close to countries where there are lots of great brothels and escorts. For example, if you are located in Montpellier, you are only 2 hours away from La Jonquera a Spanish village where you can find brothels with Eastern European and Latin american women.
Don't waste your time with local women.This statement is not far from my opinion.
What are the possibilities of being fined in France? Do cops ever do stings? Or bust in the door of an apartment with girls?
What are the possibilities of being fined in France? Do cops ever do stings? Or bust in the door of an apartment with girls?Risk is very low.
Just avoid street hookers.
Henri Dufresne
08-22-23, 05:37
Nowadays, many escorts have an instagram account and they often travel to Paris. However, these women with a beautiful body are nowhere to be seen on escort directories like sexemodel or eurogirlescort. Do you think they work for agencies? Do you think someone book them to come to Paris? Do you think people send them requests on Instagram?
I have talked with several escorts who have an instagram account. They told me that receiving requests from Customers on instagram is very rare.
Risk is very low.
Just avoid street hookers.Right, never get caught ATM me either, sounds good but take care anyway.
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