General Info

[SwingerLover]

A little off toppic here, but I have to point out what I found on TV lately: Via Astra satellite one can receive a channel called ETV-Show (EroticTV) where a bunch of girls can be called or SMSed and grant some wishes of the viewers, in the softsex department. This only gets interesting after 23:00. Because then the clothes come off and they are stark naked a lot of the time. Also some fondling, oiling each other, watching them shower and such going on. Boring sometimes when no one calls, excellent entertainment at other times, as far as softsex goes. I must admit I'm pretty fascinated watching them. The perfect thing to watch if you can't sleep or to chill out after a party. My favourites are Irra and Nancy. You just have to check this out, I think it's hilarious! I'm just watching some of it while writing this post here, since it's also available online: http://www.etvshow.com/?action=sms&w=1

Right now Nancy is spanking some other girls butt. And some naked pussies were also shown already, although only the softsex-way, with closed legs and girls standing up.

[Jacque1280]

Has anyone heard of Spremafreunde (dot) de? I have tried to access their pictures / videos but in order to get on the website you must use XCHECK and in order to use XCHECK you must be from Europe and I am from the USA.

If anyone is a member or has videos let me know because I will happily pay to upgrade my membership and yours at this forum and contact you.

[SwingerLover]

I assume you made a typo and mean "Spermafreunde" from Munich. Well, I don't know them, I only have them on my Party-maps and list them in the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread of the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum here on ISG because one can participate in their filmed bareback parties too. http://www.spermafreunde.de/content/view/2/9/

What did you try to access?"Life bei uns!" or "Für Erwachsene"? For the first, you only need to wait until 23:00 CET, then you can watch those pictures. Complyant with some silly German youthprotection laws, those pics can only be shown between 23:00 and 6:00. At other times you need to register with your ID-card number, which I suppose will work only for Germans.

For the "Für Erwachsene" section, you need the X-check registration. But I can't quite believe that it isn't possible to get X-Check in the USA. Just contact them by mail or phone and ask. Look here and use the mailadress or phone number on the right: http://www.x-check.de/signOn/anmeldung.html?PHPSESSID=52961880d18429d20803ad9dc55e1615005000016172&websiteID=301544

[Jacque1280]

I assume you made a typo and mean "Spermafreunde" from Munich. Well, I don't know them, I only have them on my Party-maps and list them in the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread of the Germany Partytreff Clubs forum here on ISG because one can participate in their filmed bareback parties too.

http://www.spermafreunde.de/content/view/2/9/

What did you try to access?"Life bei uns!" or "Füare Erwachsene"? For the first, you only need to wait until 23:00 CET, then you can watch those pictures. Complyant with some silly German youthprotection laws, those pics can only be shown between 23:00 and 6:00. At other times you need to register with your I'd-card number, which I suppose will work only for Germans.

For the "Füare Erwachsene" section, you need the X-check registration. But I can't quite believe that it isn't possible to get X-Check in the USA. Just contact them by mail or phone and ask. Look here and use the mailadress or phone number on the right:

http://www.x-check.de/signOn/anmeldung.html?PHPSESSID=52961880d18429d20803ad9dc55e1615005000016172&websiteID=301544Thanks for your reply, I really do appreciate it. I have contacted both XCHECK and the Spermafreunde website owner. Unfortanetly, they both told me there is no way around it. If you click on "I am from a non EU state" on the options it says there is no way around the system. I am really, really bummed about the situation. The spermafreunde owner said that they may consider moving their servers to a new location so they don't have to use XCHECK but for the time being they have no way around it.

There are a lot of Americans like myself who are big AO fans and other than GB01. De and SpermaStudio no one else makes authentic, german AO videos on the internet so when I found this website I was very excited to find some new videos but with this xcheck in my way it seems there is nothing I can do.

If anyone is a member or is willing to join the website to access the videos please reply in this thread because I would be more than happy to pay to upgrade not only my membership on this website but I would pay for yours as well!

[Amadeuss]

the european one (used in germany) is pretty straightforward. the number is the circumference in centimetres below the breasts. (in the us, a 36-inch bust refers to the circumference including the breasts.) aa means that the circumference with the breast is 11 cm more, a 13, b 15 etc. thus 75b is 75 cm below the breasts. 90 (about 36 inches) including them. my wife has 85g.more simple: the letter then means the cup size:

aa = signal lights on a runway.

a = apple.

b = grapefruit.

c = pineapple.

d = honeymelon.

and so on.

g? that lady needs a big ass not to get unbalanced.

enjoy.

[SwingerLover]

If anyone is a member or is willing to join the website to access the videos please reply in this thread because I would be more than happy to pay to upgrade not only my membership on this website but I would pay for yours as well!So basically you would want someone else to get the X-Check account and then forward the access data to you, while you will refund any cost involved? Sounds like a plan, but will most likely not work. If you register, you are required to NOT give your PIN to anyone else. So if I would get an access for you and you would access it from America, then they would propably notice that someone else is using my account and would close it down. So I guess you have to forget about Spermafreunde for now, but you are not necessarily stuck with only GB01 and Spermastudio. Genuine AO-vids are also available from:

http://melaniemoon.net/index.php?site=1

http://www.spassfucktor.com/ueberuns.php

http://www.sexynatalie.tv/frameset.htm

[Jacque1280]

So basically you would want someone else to get the X-Check account and then forward the access data to you, while you will refund any cost involved? Sounds like a plan, but will most likely not work. If you register, you are required to NOT give your PIN to anyone else. So if I would get an access for you and you would access it from America, then they would propably notice that someone else is using my account and would close it down. So I guess you have to forget about Spermafreunde for now, but you are not necessarily stuck with only GB01 and Spermastudio. Genuine AO-vids are also available from:

http://melaniemoon.net/index.php?site=1

http://www.spassfucktor.com/ueberuns.php

http://www.sexynatalie.tv/frameset.htmThanks for your apply it is much appreciated.

My plan was actually to have someone join the site, download the videos / pictures and then upload them somewhere else which essentially gets around the IP issue.

I have all of creampie ronja's videos and I have plenty of melanie moon and natalie as well since they are both featured on Spermastudio and GB01.

And yes I would pay any and all costs associated including xcheck, joining this website and as well as spermafreunde too.

Jacque

[Jnimble]

I'll be in Munich shortly & will have a few days free to monger. I've researched Munich in these forums & know what's available there. Would I be better off traveling to Frankfurt, Nuremberg, or elsewhere? I know Berlin would be best but its probably too far.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

Jack

[Wanking]

You need 200MB per day? That's a very heavy usage (6GB per month). You can buy the SIM at most phone shops. I got mine from a store around FRA Hbf. It's from Blauworld company. The SIM came with 10E credit and I added some data plan at the time. 9.99E. The store charged me 30E. (so 10E extra). It has different type of data plan I. E.Following on the advice of BadinSweet, I went looking for a Blauworld card, and the guy in the shop wanted to charge me a total of €25 for a card and Igb data plus some call time and SMS messages. I told him I would think about it.

I only wanted a Data package to have my unlocked phone connected to the Internet permanently and I hate paying roaming charges. Also its great to be connected and not have to deal with calls and sms from at home, which I would if I was roaming.

Went into an O2 shop and was able to a buy a 1GB DATA sim that lasts one week only for €10. Absolutely perfect for my needs. The guy in the shop set it up and it took around 20 mins for my card to become active.

This card worked out really great, and I was able to use my phone on the downtime in Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club, where there isn't WIFI. Also in small bars and cafes that don't have WIFI, and on public transport etc.

The card is valid for 6 months, but actually it costs €15 for additional 1GB, so cheaper to get a new card.

On a short two day trip I probably wouldn't bother but on a 4 day plus trip where I might take a day off from sex, I would certainly buy this card again.

[Kimino]

Went into an O2 shop and was able to a buy a 1GB DATA sim that lasts one week only for €10. Absolutely perfect for my needs. The guy in the shop set it up and it took around 20 mins for my card to become active.

This card worked out really great, and I was able to use my phone on the downtime in Erlebniswohnung GangBang Club, where there isn't WIFI. Also in small bars and cafes that don't have WIFI, and on public transport etc.Cool.

Thanks for the info Wanking. Might get one for the Ipad. I have a plan where data roaming is free throughout europe (only 500mb / month) but if I use it in tethering to connect the ipad I pay 7euros a day, for 150mb I think.

Kimino

[Mat the Rat]

I'll be in Munich shortly & will have a few days free to monger. I've researched Munich in these forums & know what's available there. Would I be better off traveling to Frankfurt, Nuremberg, or elsewhere? I know Berlin would be best but its probably too far.Of course it would be better to go to Frankfurt. All places in Bavaria (including Munich and Nuremberg) are expensive and quite bad. There is a law enforced in Bavaria that prohibits any sex without condom (in Pay6 of course). Compared to Munich Frankfurt is paradise. Go to FKK World, Oase, Mainhattan or Sharks (Darmstadt, Close to Frankfurt)

[Jnimble]

Mat,

Thanks for the info. Looks like Frankfurt would be about 8 hrs round trip, so I may not find the time to get up there but at least I know what to do if I find myself with the opportunity. I'll report how it goes.

Regards,

Jack


Of course it would be better to go to Frankfurt. All places in Bavaria (including Munich and Nuremberg) are expensive and quite bad. There is a law enforced in Bavaria that prohibits any sex without condom (in Pay6 of course). Compared to Munich Frankfurt is paradise. Go to FKK World, Oase, Mainhattan or Sharks (Darmstadt, Close to Frankfurt)

[ThomasNorway]

Out of curiosity. Can anyone local say anything about how has the flood affected the road-network in Germany? Is getting around a problem?

[SwingerLover]

If there should be any problem, then it will only be in the flooded areas, meaning in Bavaria, eastern Germany regions and maybe along the Elbe-river. But I doubt that any Autobahn or major road is affected outside those areas. So you should be okay.

[MoneyShot]

sorry double post.

[MjTravelLove]

Frankfurt or Berlin. Which is better? Solely for the purposes of pursuing ladies for 2 nights, which is better for the quality and the value?

I have 2 nights to spend in either one of these 2 cities. I have been to both before, but not for these purposes. I only care about their value in terms of the 'scene. '

Feel free to PM me or Post here if you can offer tips!

Thank you for the advice!

[KyCuriosity]

I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I will be visiting Ravensburg in a few months and I had no idea that prostitution was legal in Germany! I was hoping to visit a brothel or two before reaching my final destination. Are there any Brothels on the way to Ravensburg that cater to English speaking tourist? I will do my best to learn a few phrases in German, but I doubt I will be able to do much with it. I would really appreciate if someone could tell me there's a brothel in Ravensburg that has english speaking women in it. I'm on a budget so any info for a budget traveler would be welcome. I won't have a hotel room available to me to bring women back so it would have to be at a different location. I'm quite active on the USG board, but I don't get to travel abroad much. Can anyone point me in the right direction to research this myself? Or offer any suggestions?

Also, any travel tips on the best way to get to Ravensburg would be great. Is the water safe to drink there? Etc?

[Member #4240]

Curious what the difference is between a Sauna Club and a FKK. I will be staying in Cologne for one day and am trying to decide if I should spend my time at Pascha (which is going to be the closest option to me) or if I should go to an FKK or Sauna Club.

[SwingerLover]

Basically there is no difference except that at an FKK all girls should have to be naked. (FKK = FreiKörperKultur = "free-body culture" = nudism)

So the real FKKs are basically SaunaClubs too. Unfortunately there are some places that still call themselves FKKs, despite the women being clothed; however sparseley clothed. The ones I definitely know to have all-naked girls all the time are Oase Burgholzhausen and FKK Arabella in Bochum.

Read up in the Germany FKK-Clubs forum for details and additional info.

[Ableyone]

Curious what the difference is between a Sauna Club and a FKK. I will be staying in Cologne for one day and am trying to decide if I should spend my time at Pascha (which is going to be the closest option to me) or if I should go to an FKK or Sauna Club.In Cologne I would go to Samya; a Sauna Club with the girls in bikini's / lingerie (though some maybe topless).

[Gergiev]

Curious what the difference is between a Sauna Club and a FKK. I will be staying in Cologne for one day and am trying to decide if I should spend my time at Pascha (which is going to be the closest option to me) or if I should go to an FKK or Sauna Club.Sometimes you just have to laugh.

After the entirely new branch created for the sole purpose of debating, defining and categorising the various clubs and differences therein, we get this posted here.

Kudos to SL for his patience and Jackson for his tolerance.

[Kapoios]

I usually read the Partytreff forums. A few times there are pornostars visiting theese places but not regurarly. I was wondering if there is any other way to arrange an appointment with a pornostart for a private session? Is there any dedicated discussion about apartments or escorts, only related to pornostars?

[SwingerLover]

I was wondering if there is any other way to arrange an appointment with a pornostart for a private session?Sure there is. Just contact them via their websites. For instance:

http://www.sexy-susi.info/Seite3n.php

http://www.melaniemoon-privatedates.com/service.html

http://www.poppen.de/tekohas & http://www.tekohas.tv/wp/meet-with-me-2/

http://www.sarahann.tv/95/13379/drehpartner_gesucht/index.html

http://marina-montana.com/

[Kapoios]

Thanks a lot.

Do you know how it works for Marina for example? It doesn't mention anything on this site.


http://marina-montana.com/

[SwingerLover]

Nice. You just picked the one where you propably have to register on the website to get in touch with her. But no problem, registration is for free. So just register and see how it works out. If it works at all anymore. I had been registered, but can't get in anymore. So maybe the site is dead, especially since there seems to be a new one under construction: http://marinamontana.com/

[SwingerLover]

I just discovered that there is a sex talk show on the German sports (!) TV station Sport1 called "The Rene Schwuchow Show". Airs every Friday night at 23:54 and is available online as well: http://mediencenter.sport1.de/de/video/diereneschwuchowshow/index.html#/0,0_01d7m04u

The next guests will be Brilliantbitch (known from Partytreff Mettmann) on the 8th and MiaBitch (of Gangbang01 fame) on the 15th of September.

[SwingerLover]

I was wondering if there is any other way to arrange an appointment with a pornostart for a private session?Here's anotherone for you that offers private dates as of late: Gundula Pervers, also known as Gundula Extrem and well known from Spermagames AO Gangbangs when they were still held in Reichelsheim. She now offers tabooless private AO 3-hole & deepthroat contacts on the well known advertising sites like Fickreklame and such: www.fickreklame.com/ao-kontakte/index.php?id=1378316769

[SwingerLover]

According to her website, Sexy-Susi offers private dates today in Saarbrücken and on Monday, September 30th in Stuttgart. Contact via phone or her website: http://www.sexy-susi.info/Seite10n.php

[Timberline]

Just joined and after reading many posts on here, I've decided to take the next step and visit some FKK clubs around Frankfurt. I'm planning for middle of Feb to fly down from northern Canada and renting a car. Anyway the main question I have is about the oral services provided by the girls.

I'm in my mid 50's and I know that I would be lucky to complete two sessions a day maybe mid-afternoon and late evening. Just wondering if I go with other ladies between those

Sessions could I just have oral, receiving and giving for the whole 30 mins. I know that I would barely be able to achieve wood but it still would be great to have the ladies service me.

Anyways. And no I do want to take Viagra. Thanks in advance for any and all info.

[SwingerLover]

could I just have oral, receiving and giving for the whole 30 mins. I know that I would barely be able to achieve wood but it still would be great to have the ladies service me.I can't tell from own experience, but from what I'm hearing, you should be able to get that at Dolce Vita in Raubach. Will cost propably the same 40 € that a full session costs, but they don't count the seconds and don't seem to have any problems with adding on a few additional minutes every now and then. http://www.dolce-vita-raubach.de/index.php

Read up in the Dolce Vita Raubach thread.

[Kirsia123]

Where would you recommend to go if you are looking for good accessable golf Courses and good P4P?

Please PM me.

/Kirsia

[Csalty]

I have a question for anyone. What do you do when the receptionist at a club is the girl you want to take to a room? I was at a club recently and the woman I found most attractive was one of the hostessses. I emailed the club after my visit and they said she was just a receptionist. Do they. (Receptionists) ever provide services in anyone's experience?

[SwingerLover]

Do they. (Receptionists) ever provide services in anyone's experience?I guess it depends on the club and the woman and if there's someone there to take over for her, while she's playing. It has happened at LoveFactory in Kerpen, but Milena is not the kind of woman you have in mind. At former Eva-Freundin in MG, Eva had joined in later in the day, when her Thekenfrau duties permitted it.

Might work at other places as well, just step up and ask. Worst thing that happens is that she says no.

[Zanzir]

Hello to everyone (wonderful forum by the way),

I'm from Belgium and I decided, along with 3 friends, to go to Germany for the new year eve (31 December).

Now we are some sort of mongers and we have 3 destinations in mind:

Dusseldorf. Koln. Frankfurt.

We will be arriving at 9pm on 31 December and if someone experimented with these cities can tell us which one is the best for good P4P.

Also, when you indicate a good city, tell us also where to go in these cities as they are not small LOL.

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks a lot from Belgium.

[SevenIron]

I have RTFF until my brain is going to explode. I have been to Frankfurt and visited Oase and the rld. I am planning a trip to go back in early June. I have a few questions that I am having a hard time finding the answers to through my own research.

I am planning on a one week journey but am having a hard time pinning down a general itinerary for myself. With one weeks total time should I stay in FRA for the whole week or split it into two and visit FRA and Berlin?

Money is not that much of a problem, I looked at flights and they look cheap enough to try out each city. I liked Oase and their youngish line-up, will Artemis be similar or is it more of an MILF type place?

I liked the rld just for the fact that I can do multiple girls (around 7-10) a day and the rld allows me to choose and it's cheap. Will I find any action in Berlin of this sort? I am also not looking to do any sessions with serious drug addicted street girls, is that all I will find in Berlin for the 30-50 range?

Also about the Berlin street scene, from what I have scene and read I notice there is a section of street girls that are absolute stunners, I have also heard they are to be avoided. My question is, is it possible to get one of those beauty's to have real sex without getting ripped off for around 100E?

Also I have checked the dates I was planning on visiting, the first week in June and I don't see any activity for a fair or messe on those dates. Will this be a good or bad thing, will all the girls be gone and avoid this time because of low customer counts? On that same topic is Early June a good time to plan my trip for?

Now I have never been to an actual brothel like the ones in berlin, but what kind of girls will I find there? My main worry is there won't be any 9+ material there, any insight on this.

Also I am not just trying to get free info without the research time, I actually like to read and this is very good stuff to read about! That being said it can be quite tiresome and time consuming. If anyone could link me to a few reports that I could use as guides or any information or reports on ones travels to Frankfurt and berlin in the same trip that would be great. For anyone looking to reply, I like tall / slim stunning looking girls, I know I won't always get the best attitudes but I sure do like myself a optifuck. I also like to tour around checking the girls out and I find that to be half of the fun just knowing at any second I can take any one I want. I have been through these places and I am not a newbie and can handle myself in any situation given.

My general Itinerary I have came up with so far looks like this so you can get an idea about what I am looking for.

Land Berlin from the states on wedatnoon try out some brothels / street talent.

Thurs-maybe club where there is one entry fee for all day sex? Only stay a few hours or half a day, then head to Artemis for the night.

Fri fly to FRA- RLD then Oase for the night

Sat- RLD then Palace / World / Mainhatten.

Sun-RLD-rest-tour the city.

Mon- RLD then Palace / World / Mainhatten.

Tues final night- Pick whichever club I found to be the best / most relaxing for me and spend my final night there.

Wed- Fly home from FRA.

Now that is a loose version of what I thought would be a good time from searching the forum. Any help or modifications would be fine. Also looing into renting a car for my club days / nights so I can leave and be more flexible if needed, from my research it will be about the same price as taking trains / subways, can anyone verify this? Also I have never been to any other FKK besides Oase, which ones will I find the hottest girls in that I might like the most. Soo many reports here and the info can differ from post to post. Thanks to anyone who replies to this.

[Luv Fake]

Hi Everyone,

Any recommendations for silicone (fake tits) babes in apartments / brothels around Dusseldorf or Koln. I will be visiting next week and I'm looking for good service providers with fake tits. Any information is greatly appreciated.

Cheers

[Tiger Genius]

Hi Everyone,

Any recommendations for silicone (fake tits) babes in apartments / brothels around Dusseldorf or Koln. I will be visiting next week and I'm looking for good service providers with fake tits. Any information is greatly appreciated.

CheersHttp://privat-sunshine.de/index.php/de/cora

She is in Mönchengladbach and for me is the best girl in the world, but the picture are old and she had some Kg more (not too much and for me is not a problem).

[That One Guy]

I am wondering is there any fun to be had around the Ansbach Katterbach area especially AO fun and preferably somewhere they speak English as I know no German yet.

[Hessen Bub]

Go to Nürnberg, check tabulose-huren. Com (German). There's quite a lot of girls offering BB sex.

HB

[That One Guy]

I am definitely going to check that out when I get some time off from work.

[Capt Dan]

ok seveniron! you seem serious about your trip and i thought that i would offer you an opinion.

first of all i am not a fan of the rld. too much walking around with too great a potential for things to go amiss for my liking. besides, why drag my ass around the streets, when there are so many fantastic girls to be experienced in the fkk / sauna clubs. if you visit the big mega clubs on any night from wednesday to saturday, you have great certainty of finding some hot hookers in one single location. just drive to the club and when you are done drive home (or to your hotel). however, you do sound like someone who travels alone and who likes to keep constantly occupied and moving around whereas i would tend to visit the clubs with friends or acquaintances and remain in one location for several hours (often 10+ hours) , soaking up the club atmosphere, enjoying the food and the facilities and splashing some cash on occasionally one but more often on several hookers.

if you would prefer not to travel alone and would prefer to meet up with some fellow travelers, i would encourage you to keep posting if possible (particularly in the germany fkk clubs section of isg) and also to purchase isg membership which will allow you to contact fellow isg members or more importantly allow isg members (who may be in germany at the same time as yourself) to make contact with you. meeting other isg members in the clubs (whether they are newbies or senior members) can be a beneficial experience (provided you exercise some sensible precautions) and can help with passing the time between hooker sessions. you are also less prone to being picked off by nuisance hookers touting for business if you are part of a small mongering group. it can also help to take the newbie look off you if its your first time in a club and if you are with one or a few other individuals.

so, after saying all of the above, i would (if in your shoes, and i often am) avoid the red light districts and head for the bigger clubs with the intention of perhaps meeting up with a fellow traveler or two (if practical and possible) and more importantly enjoying the fine hooker selection that the club has to offer.

with regard to travelling between frankfurt and berlin, i would have to say that from the perspective of someone who is a fan of fkk / sauna clubs, berlin is a bit of a waste of time! now there is one excellent fkk club in berlin (i. e. artemis) but i'm not sure if i would travel a 12 hour round trip by car (possibly a bit faster by high speed rail) just to see artemis and consequently loose a lot of precious time out of what is really a very precious few days of vacation time. these 12 hours could be spent in an equally good fkk club nearer to frankfurt. i would suggest that you concentrate your efforts in the corridor between frankfurt, cologne / bonn and dusseldorf. that area (of hessen and nrw) probably has most of the great fkk / sauna clubs in germany (fkk oase / world / mainhattan / sharks / palace / samya and sauna club goldentime / livingroom) and you will definitely not have enough time to visit them all. indeed you may wish to repeat some of these clubs. if you are travelling around, a car is definitely invaluable, particularly if you intend to visit the more outlying clubs such as fkk world or sc goldentime. also if you are like me and tend to leave the clubs at or near to closing time, try and arrange for to have your accommodation not too far away. i mean by this, do try and reserve hotels not too far away from the club (or clubs) which you intend to visit. in my opinion an hours drive is about as long of a drive that i would want to make at 3 or 4 am. far better if its a 30 minute drive or less to your hotel at this time of night. incidentally some clubs will allow you to spend the night, which can sometimes be a useful thing to know.

a few final points, forgetting about the rld, your club selection does make some sense. personally, i would go for mainhattan on thursday and (as i can find mainhattan a bit small for an extended visit of many hours) i might possibly combine with palace (provided there is no large messe in town). or you could possibly try a once off visit to the frankfurt rld instead of palace because you seem to be a connoisseur of this particular form of paysex. i would go for fkk oase on friday and fkk world on saturday and then possibly sharks on sunday. monday is generally a very quiet day in many of the fkks and the hooker lineup can suffer. i would therefor consider a return trip to fkk oase on monday because it still should have a bigger monday lineup than the other clubs. hope this is of some help. good luck with your trip!

cd

[Wanking]

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/index.html

[SevenIron]

Capt Dan,

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it. I am still trying to figure this out. Your plan does make sense. I think it would maximize my time with good sessions. I will say this, last time I went to Oase it was a one day layover that happened to be a Tuesday night. The line up was very poor and actually there weren't many girls there. Most were going leaving it seemed around 10pm and I was very let down. Add on the fact that the few not so hot ones that were left were nagging me to death, I left and ended up in the rld (as I was staying near there) and found myself a few pretty hot girls and not bad at all sessions for 30e. I think this whole experience skewed my view on this whole scene.

This is a trip I want to make work the best I can so my research has not stopped. The reasons I was thinking Berlin was number one it seemed very intriguing reading this forum. Maybe that's my fault for getting side tracked and reading too much, LOL. Also roundtrip flight from Frankfurt to Berlin is only 150$ and wouldn't take much time. I overall just felt like Berlin was a place I should visit for the whole scene, street, Artemis, brothels, unlimited sex clubs, and maybe some bars where the hookers hang out. It is not a must do but just from what I watched on YouTube and everything I read here it seemed very interesting to me.

I did say money is not really a problem which it isn't but I'm not rich. I just think if I spend 10-12 hours a day per day in an FKK I will spend too much money. I would like to keep it around 350e a day if I can. Now I see you say that I should visit Co and Du. That added about a 1000 hours to my research plans, ha, I see that is not too far away and might need to be checked out. I will state again, I like slim or in shape girls, pref blondes but any girl with a killer body and a pretty face is perfect but also I like a lot of choices. The two times I have been in an FKK was that lackluster Tues night at Oase. 20-30 girls maybe, and a month prior on a Tuesday day which was better 40 girls but I someone kept finding a better selection in the rld. I think for sure this was bad timing and my views are not right on the whole matter. I have researched soo much that I just know FKK's are where its at that is why I am returning to try again.

All that being said, In Co and Du will that be a good substitute instead of berlin? Will I find real stunners around that area? From what I read the prices might be a little cheaper which would be a plus. Berlin was more or less going to be used for night entertainment by checking out some bars and clubs perhaps, will I find any of this type of stuff in Co or Du. I know from cruising around Frankfurt it doesn't seem the best place to just hang out in a few bars and then make plans, meaning it doesn't seem to user friendly. I have not set a plan yet as I am going to rtf much more. I am buying my flight next week. I am going to choose from 5-20 5-27 or 6-3-6-10. If anyone happens to think one of those dates is better then the other just throw me a heads up. Also I have looked but what is the cheapest I could rent a car for a full week for in Frankfurt?

Thanks for the help. I will just keep researching and I am sure I can't go wrong since this sites info is so invaluable I will just read and do what I think is right. If anyone has a link or has been there done that for a trip like this please let me know and I am sure I can learn from your past experiences. Thanks to all and I will be doing a report as I go on this trip. Thanks again

[Capt Dan]

OK. If you want a combination of culture and fun and wish to see a city of historic significance, then Berlin is a great place to go. As far as paysex is concerned Berlin offers more than just FKK Artemis (Sex clubs, Brothels, Bars, Strip Clubs etc.). So good from an all round perspective. However, from an FKK / Sauna Clubs perspective, which in my opinion is perhaps towards the upper end of the affordable sex business in Germany, it is not so great with only FKK Artemis available for the enthusiast. That said I am well aware that there are some very high class and expensive brothels in Berlin, where one could spend hundreds upon hundreds of euros on any one evening and select from very attractive hookers. Places like Monrouge and Van Kampen. Any of these upper end brothels would probably have a higher average standard of hooker present on the premises by comparrison with FKK / Sauna Clubs. FKK / Sauna clubs would probably have more girls to choose from. Most of the hookers in FKK / Sauna clubs would be attractive or very attractive but only some would be super-hot. Most of the girls working in the FKKs / Sauna Clubs (probably at least 60% to 70% possibly higher) are from Romania or Bulgaria.

Taking all of the above into consideration, and if I were walking in your shoes, I would still personally prefer to visit the larger FKK / Sauna Clubs in the Frankfurt Area and beyond, particularly if the focus of my adventure was for fun and pleasure as opposed to cultural. The bigger venues have good food, excellent facilities and if you visit at the right time (in the early evening and ideally from Thursday to Saturday) you should be able to pick from a good selection of fine looking women. Just drive to the club, pay your entrance fee, hang out and when you are done, just drive home again. Simple.

€350 per day is a respectable amount of money to spend (particularly if you add on for the entrance which would normally be in the €50 to €70 range). Even if you were to stay in the clubs for more than 8 hours it would be difficult to spend more than €500 to €600, provided you are not continually looking for extras (like anal, cim etc.). €500 could equate to 5 hours in the room with one or several hookers and thats a long enough time for any man. So €350 per day is not bad and if you do decide to break the bank it won't cost you a whole lot more.

I hear what you have said about FKK Oase and your experience on a Tuesday evening but do keep in mind that this would not be a prime day / evening. One great benefit of the FKK / Sauna Clubs is that because of the lack of clothing you most definitely know physically what you are getting when you select a hooker. This is not always the case elsewhere.

I would also advise you to keep posting (particularly in the Germany FKK Clubs Section) and either try to become a Senior Member (with the advantage of private mail) or short circuit this and purchase an ISG membership which includes this private mail option. Try and meet up with some members in the clubs by advertising your travel dates. Private mail will allow other members to contact you should travel dates coincide and in reality ISG membership is a small investment and may help improve the quality of your trip.

If you do decide that FKK / Sauna Clubs are the way to go, maybe pick from the bigger FKK / Sauna Clubs (World, Sharks, Oase) as you already appear to be doing and then leave the possibility of returning for a second visit if you find the club to be to your satisfaction. Although I have travelled in Germany many, many times; I find myself returning on a frequent basis to a small selection of clubs. Also if you end up travelling alone and do not meet up with any other mongers, perhaps maybe shorten your visits, that is perhaps only visit between 7pm and late as opposed to spending the whole day in the club. You could spend the daytime sightseeing or perhaps enjoying your hotels facilities. That said if you are visiting end of May or beginning of June there is some chance that you might get some good weather and it might be nice to hang out in clubs which have a nice garden during the daytime.

Not sure if any of this helps. My advice is to do as the Nike advert says "Just do it". Some research is good but sometimes I think that too much research is not always ideal and can in itself lead to confusion. You will have a good time no matter what you decide. Provided you are sensible FKK / Sauna Clubs are just an easy and almost foolproof way to go about matters.

CD

[Capt Dan]

Incidentally (and further to my most recent post below) ; a similar subject (Day trip to Berlin V staying in Frankfurt / NRW) is currently under discussion in the Germany FKK Clubs Lounge and Chat Area.

[SevenIron]

CpDan,

Thanks for your help. You have now put me on a new path and I could use some assistance, I now plan to skip Berlin all together. I fly into Frankfurt. That much is set in stone. After that I am open to suggestions. I now plan to either take a train right when I get to fra to Dusseldorf or rent a car in fra and drive that there, I don't know what method is best. I think maybe spend 2 days / nights in du. 2 in co, and back to Fra for the weekend for Oase / World etc. I am really struggling to pin down an actual plan that makes sense. I have studied high and low here but just so many reports and such. I have went back 50 pages in each citys forum to read info and they all just seem so intriguing to me that I feel like I need to see it all.

I could really use a link or two to previous reports of trips like I am planning. I am all in for most all my time spent in FKK's although I would like to check out each city's rld so to speak. I have been reading that the top floor of the Pacha sp? Club would be a very good time. More or less I would like to check out as much as I can during my 7 full days / nights while I'm there. I am not scared to travel a little to a lot if it will give me the most selection of girls possible. I would like to know also if I could train from Fra to dus and then to col and back to Fra and in the meantime enjoy all of the good clubs without renting a car? That sounds like it might be asking too much. Just throwing it out there to get some feedback. Thanks to everyone out there for their previously shared info which has taken me this far.

Thanks again.

[Capt Dan]

CpDan,

Thanks for your help. You have now put me on a new path and I could use some assistance. Thanks again.My advice to you is to behave like an experienced visitor to Germany and quit trying to do too much in too short a timespan. You can only visit a certain number of FKK / Sauna Clubs in seven days. Also do think about the possibility (very high) that you might want to visit the same club twice (because you had such a good time. Very likely). My advice would be to concentrate on visiting some (not all) of the best clubs in Germany and the Frankfurt area has more of the best FKK / Sauna Clubs than anywhere else. Concentrate on visiting FKK World, FKK Sharks (possibly the best two clubs in Frankfurt) , FKK Oase and FKK Mainhattan. Visit FKK World (on Friday or Saturday) FKK Sharks (Thursday, Friday, Saturday or Sunday) , FKK Oase (Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday also a good club to visit on the quieter days Monday or Tuesday). If you want head up to Sauna Club GoldenTime for a visit on any day (also a good club to visit on the quieter days). If you do go to GoldenTime try to get there early (soon after opening, so you have a good chance of entry). Also bear in mind that GoldenTime has a racist door policy. Not easy to gain admittance if you are African or Middle Eastern. Maybe visit FKK Acaupulco (particularly if you don't get into GoldenTime). Look try and plan your trip sensibly. Book your hotels close to the clubs and ideally rent a car to get to all the venues easily. Also buy membership of ISG. Its a small investment and you will be taken more seriously. Discussions of this nature are better kept in private mails.

CD

[SwingerLover]

look out if you are driving through northrhinewestphalia and lower saxony between tue 8th 06:00 and wed 9th 06:00, because the police announced a 24-hour speed-limit control marathon: http://de.autoblog.com/2014/04/07/achtung-kraftfahrer-24-h-blitzmarathon-8-april-in-nrw-and-co/

[Maila]

Hi, everyone,

I am planning a trip to Germany and have RTFF a whole lot. Primarily the Germany, Berlin, and Frankfurt threads going back a year or more and it has given me a fairly good idea of everything. I have some other questions that I was hoping some of you might help me with. Of course, in the end it is dependent on individual preference but I would appreciate advice nonetheless. I will continue reading specific FKK threads.

Here's what I have planned:

OVERALL TRIP PLAN: I will be in Germany mostly for tourism and it'll be the first time I will be there. I was planning to spend 3 weeks. Perhaps starting off with Frankfurt, which I will fly into because of it being a hub, going to Berlin as well as a couple of days to Amsterdam (just tourism there). Plan to get out to other parts of Germany as well for tourism. Out of this time, I can happily spend a couple of days in Frankfurt and a couple of days in Berlin having fun other than the cultural type.

LOOKING FOR: I tend to like more of a GFE type experience. For that, I have found that I compromise on age / looks. Mid / Late 20s is often fine with me as I often had bad results with the young hottie types. I would like to have the escorts but the pricing structure seems out of range for extended activities. Would have liked Tijuana-style "overnight" escort deals but nothing comparable seems to be on offer. Away from my usual Tijuana destination filled with Latinas, I hope to see some blondes and fiery redheads though I don't need them to be 20yo spinners. But again, general experience of session matters more to me. I prefer daytime and evenings, not late nights. So, I don't see myself staying into the wee hours at any club.

SCHEDULE: Arrive June 22, Sunday. Since my original purpose was really tourism, I am happy to spend Monday sight-seeing since I read that Sunday / Monday are slow days for clubs. I can spend Tue / Wed (/Thu?) in FRA and go to Berlin for the weekend and beyond. I can spend weekend there at Berlin clubs and then utilize the week after that for my normal cultural tourism.

CLUBS AND GIRLS: I seem to like the sauna club type concept of FKK and am interested in hanging out there for extended periods. FKK World and Mainhatten are the ones I came up with for Frankfurt although going to World concerns me. I have looked at youtube videos of going there as well as Bahn routes. It takes more than an hour and taxi from Giessen. Not sure I am up for that walk from Garbenteich I saw in the video, especially at night on the way back. This is the one thing which makes me question going to World.

It see that Dietzenbach has been suggested as suited to one on one GFE-style experience. At Berlin, I would be interested in Artemis and maybe a Kamila Dee session. I am not interested in massages and the street scene.

TRANSPORT: I will not have a car. I'm unsure of wanting to driving in a foreign country with foreign road signs. That limits me to public transport and therefore World seems a bit far out there.

FUNDS: Nobody likes spending more than they have to and few people have oodles and oodles of funds but within reason, funds are not a huge issue. But would rather not blow them on hundred euro taxi fares to World.

QUESTIONS:

1) I have the flexibility of altering my dates, schedule, etc. Right now. Should I be doing things differently? Cities / dates, etc? Any glaring mistakes or errors in my plan?

2) Is planning to be in FKK clubs on weekdays in Frankfurt a bad idea?

3) Accommodation: Having read the forum, I looked at specific hotels that were quoted as budget-friendly (40, 50 euros) but it seems for late June, they were listed in the 130-150 Euro range. Booking. Com rates seem fairly high for both Frankfurt and Berlin. But, I found lower rates on hrs. De, such as Carlton on "Frankfurt am Main" for around $60 or so. Does that seem like a safe and easily accessible choice? Are there extended stay options that anyone knows of?

4) I read summer is when many girls are gone on vacation. It also seems that's when rates for hotels etc are high because of summer. Is end of June a bad time for a visit?

These are general questions and therefore I have put them in the General Info thread of Germany. I will start participating in specific FKK threads as well. In the end, I will gladly post reports of my experience in both Frankfurt and Berlin and contribute to the board.

I did read recent helpful posts (in the past few pages) and I hope I am not repeating the same questions beyond asking if there was any mistake in my plans. I do know it is very irritating to see the same questions over and over.

Thank you for any help / feedback you can give!

[Capt Dan]

[Ableyone]

CLUBS AND GIRLS: I seem to like the sauna club type concept of FKK and am interested in hanging out there for extended periods. FKK World and Mainhatten are the ones I came up with for Frankfurt although going to World concerns me. I have looked at youtube videos of going there as well as Bahn routes. It takes more than an hour and taxi from Giessen. Not sure I am up for that walk from Garbenteich I saw in the video, especially at night on the way back. This is the one thing which makes me question going to World.I've always considered Mainhattan as a kind of World Lite if that makes sense, so perhaps you could consider staying in Giessen and going to World rather than Mainhattan. The walk is not that bad mostly downhill and quite picturesque. On the return I would take a taxi though.

[Maila]

i guess germany is not a second world country like mexico and although the price of pussy is probably cheaper in germany than anywhere else in western europe, you are definitely going to find it difficult to get tijuana style prices.knowing germany is on the cheaper side in western europe is good enough for me! probably hard to find tijuana style prices but when i think about it, $60-80 per 30 min doesn't seem so unlike the price in an fkk (ignoring exchange rates, ha). of course, there's little or no entry fee in tijuana but i think one is probably getting one's money's worth in an fkk.


the best days are of course thursday through to saturday but sunday can be ok particularly if you visit either fkk oase or fkk sharks. fkk sharks currently have a special entry offer up to 2pm on sundays.i'll see what i can do about my schedule. i could certainly try to go to amsterdam as soon as i get to germany and come back by the weekend, or just manage my own expectations if i do go on a weekday.


i'm afraid you are going to have to man up a bit here! do you not know how to drivehaha, touche! i will accept this as valid criticism. i deserve that, in those words. probably just need to get over it and do it. don't think speeds are an issue. i am a 75mph-er myself on city freeways. i will look into rental and parking issues.

thank you, capt dan, and ableyone, for the recommendations on the hotels as well as staying in giessen. i looked up hotels from those chains and in that area, and that seems like a fairly doable idea. so, i will investigate implementing those recommendations.

i appreciate the redirection to the other clubs as well. i think i will probably appreciate the overall fkk services and environment since i am not looking to be in and out. i'll read up the other fkk threads in detail before i ask any questions about them. really appreciate the feedback! thank you!

[Neutron Flux]

I'll see what I can do about my schedule. I could certainly try to go to Amsterdam as soon as I get to Germany and come back by the weekend, or just manage my own expectations if I do go on a weekday.That sounds like a good plan, in the summer weekdays may even be better for Amsterdam since its not that overcrowded and hotel rates not as astronomical. There's enough activity, nightlife at pretty much any day and night of the week. If you go there from Frankfurt on Monday you may be able to get a cheap rate via rail if you book a few weeks in advance. Check this out:

http://www.bahn.de/i/view/DEU/en/prices/europe/europaspezial.shtml?dbkanal_007=L01_S02_D002_KIN0004_offers-europe-navigation-esp_LZ01

From Amsterdam you may be able to get a cheap flight to Berlin and vice versa via easyjet, check their site, not so much from Frankfurt

[SoloPlayer]

Good days Gents,

I've been lurking around on this site for about two years and I purchased membership 2 years ago but when I enter my email now it says undefined. Anyway, this time I'm looking for a place to go during August for 20 days. I've been looking around everywhere from East Asia up to Europe. I even booked a ticket to Philippines, but would get it refunded. I finally settled to go to Frankfurt and Dusseldorf in Germany. But now I'm worried it could be too busy and crowded in August. Is sex tourism going to be busy as well? Such as FKK clubs? Where the demands exceeds the supplies? I would really appreciate your inputs.

Cheers,

SP

[SwingerLover]

Frankfurt and Dusseldorf in Germany. But now I'm worried it could be too busy and crowded in August. Is sex tourism going to be busy as well? Such as FKK clubs? Where the demands exceeds the supplies? I would really appreciate your inputs.I think it will be rather slow during August, since it's the main vacation time and most guys, especially the hubbies with their wifes and families, will be away. So I wouldn't worry about the demand exceeding the supply.

[EastGoing]

After many searches, I found out that on www.vrr.de it is possible to buy weekly cards, working for buses, trains, strasserbahns, etc. At great prices.

A few problems you may come across: you need to apply from a german IP, otherwise it will not work. After sending your details, you will instantly receive the email, you will need to print your card. Be aware of the areas and zones: in my case I needed preisstufe C, which cost me 48,60 euros. Worth noticing that a single round trip would cost 23 euros (if I'm mistaken, it's only around 1-2 euros less), therefore you still save money even if you stay less than a week, you start saving from the 3rd day.
When you buy the normal ticket in the train station, whether by the machine or by the employees, you will be given a ticket which has already printed your preisstufe, they assume you leave from the place you are in that moment for the declared destination, but, since the names of the cities are not written, you may use it also in a different area. This may mislead you.
Actually, preisstufes include plenty of zones, so you must choose the area of your interest. In my case, basically Duisburg-Gelsenkirchen, you have to choose Preisstufe C 24-35.

In case you make a mistake, you will need to find some good hearted employee (better a chief of the station) to write the correction and put his timbre. I specify this because it happened to me (it was written all in german, I don't remember why I couldn't translate it) and I got rejected by a couple of employees who said that nothing could be done, before I finally met the right person, luckily (in this case) I'm quite stubborn and it is extremely difficult that I surrender or quit what I aim to.

Happy mongering to all.

[Chris97]

Hello,

The best apartment holiday offer in Berlin is http://www.city-getaway.com/en/apartments-to-rent-in-Berlin/3, I tried it myself and it was the best location service ever.

Thank you

[ClassElegant]

Hi.

I will be visiting Frankfurt soon and plan to stay near Airport due to business work. Can someone advice any 3/4 star hotel which is escort friendly and it is easy to get the girl to the.

Room. I am not clear is the common practice is that girl can come directly to the room or needs to be picked from lobby.

Also while going through the forum, I have come across couple of sites which have been sugegsted.

http://www.michelle-friends.de/index2.php?lang=en

http://www.svenjas-escort.de/preise_e.php

Diva-escort. De.

Can someone also share their experience with the girls on these sites.

Thanks for help in advance.

[Geescummy]

While there are many options in Germany hot women I would have to say the streets are best choice and I will tell you why and what you should consider while spending your mongering euros in Berlin.

Apartment Brothel:

You get a parade of women that come in and introduce themselves quickly to you so you need to try to remember the names of who you liked quickly.

You may not like any of them so here comes the catch now you could ask if more women will show up later and perhaps there are some women on the way but if not then you're stuck with the parade that was offered or just leave.

There's a menu of what you can do with the girls starting prices for standard service is 80 euro 30 min. At Royal BBBJ is not apart of standard service and DATY and each thing you'd like to do is additional 20 euro this could get very pricey!

No alcohol bevs at most nice apartment brothel places only offered one drink at Royal a small size sparkling wine that had a Royal logo on it! You can order drinks but can get really pricey and honestly just makes entire stay longer which would translate into more euro! Why bother.

On the pro side is that Brothels feel very clean you can shower before and after sex.

Sauna Club / FKK:

When you arrive you get keys for lockers sometimes more than one locker is offered this is where you leave all your euro.

The women will be hanging out talking in there native tongue. Most of the Romanians only speak enough German to offer sex and very limited small talk although they speak English very well.

Sharks will approach you with ridiculous suggestions "two girls" is the common suggestion be careful not to go for this offer unless this Is what you want you will wind up paying a whopping 200 plus euro and this could go up in cost depending on what they will trick you into. Not worth going with this offer and stick to one girl look for the ones kinda hanging out by themselves or maybe you can catch one just as she finished with client to avoid such bullshit up sells etc.

This style club is like club med where you can have a drink and relax inside with kino or lounge or just outside in jacuzzi or pool!

Personally I prefer this style place over apartment brothels just a little more relaxed with more women and overall more stuff to do eat sleep fuck and repeat.

Bar Wellness Sauna clubs:

Here you will need to buy at least one drink for the lady and then it's up to her what she will let you do.

Quality ranges here you could have a great time and find a gem it's a craps shoot your stuck with the selection inside the bar. Prices you speak to main bar tender or person running the place around 60 euro for standard service I only tried one and BBBJ was not apart of standard got CBJ and FS covered.

Place is usually very smokey and dark. Your clothes will stink like cigarettes later.

Street Girls:

Here you will find a wide variety of women and sometimes weirdo she he's!! It's a good idea to walk take your time and be very selective.

What I like about the streets is the women look young and fresh! The way the system works is you walk down the street and they will usually start talking with you that's if you look at them. 20 euro CBJ in park kinda exciting, 30 Euro BBBJ not all will do this but you might find right one. Sex is always covered 40 for 30 min and 100 for one hour unless you are into Bareback it might be offered not sure.

You are able to walk the streets with your alcohol bev you can take airplane shots and you are free to talk as long as you like and feel the girls ass and breast fondle them a bit before you make your final decision.

You will be escorted by the girl to one of two fuck hotels. One hotel is a slight bit cleaner cost 15 euro the less clean with bar downstairs is 10 euro this is the cost for 30 min. In addition girl might order a drink be prepared to pay 2 or more euro for this.

Once inside room there is no up sell or ridiculous offers the dealings are done. You can request certain things or try certain things girl will say no or be down with it. If you really need to kiss or eat her pussy a generous 20 euro sometimes 10 euro will be fine.

These women are outside in the rain and sometimes cold weather so they are sometimes eager to make it happen.

The selection on the streets is vast I've seen super young cute women to older looking women all sorts of shapes and sizes. I did not see any authentic German women not sure if they work the streets.

The women I had were all clean shaved and showered. Smelled nice!

Things to keep in mind:

No cost to walk the streets, your not buying them a drink unless you decide to, you can walk away without the sharked feeling, no up sells unless you request it, sometimes a wider range of nationalities Iranian, Hungarian, Romanian etc, wider range of ages, your clothes will not stink of cigarettes the next day, and more exciting!

On a bad side note the girls all text and answer there iphones during sex it can get annoying you can request them not to. Also another bad note is they're not reliable very flakey liars and working girls if you're trying to arrange them to come to your hotel its a big hassle call back and forth several times and they will not show on time. They will eventually show up at there leisure time.

Streets in Germany Berlin:

Beülowstrasse.

Kurfürstenstrasse.

Oranienburger Strasse (More expensive type hookers here).

[Optimist]

Geescummy. Thanks very much for all your reports.

Couple of points about streetwalkers.

1. Increasing areas are Sperrbezirk areas which means streetwalking is illegal. If one is going to a particular city it is worth checking this first. Dusseldorf, and Dortmund for example are pretty much no go and Koln, Bochum, Oberhausen and Bonn only in nightime hours, Krefeld has traffic restrictions to prevent car based picking up of streetwalkers. Essen and Koln also have designated fenced off streets so they are not really streetwalkers. Frankfurt RLD is a no go, unless you want to risk being interrupted midsession by the Police. Berlin is good.

2 never paid extra for DATY or had a girls use mobile during a session.

[Geescummy]

Optimist,

Not a problem I really feel I need to contribute back to this forum from time to time because honestly this forum has made my visits to Mexico, Japan, and Germany very pleasurable since 2003!

Good points about Sperrbezirk areas around Germany as I did not realize Berlin was the only happening spot as of now just to add one other thing all the women I was with had working papers so incase they were stopped by police they had valid home addresses in Germany and paid taxes to be working there. Also they are tested for STD's and HIV regularly is what one told me. Yeah, I got up sell on DATY once but the girl "Roxanna" she was a rob other working girls told me to stay away from her so I did but as I said most will use there iphone's like crazy but you can tell them to stop or like I did just hold there hand so it's not free while walking to the hotel then they cannot reach for phone this worked for me. LOL.


Geescummy. Thanks very much for all your reports.

Couple of points about streetwalkers.

1. Increasing areas are Sperrbezirk areas which means streetwalking is illegal. If one is going to a particular city it is worth checking this first. Dusseldorf, and Dortmund for example are pretty much no go and Koln, Bochum, Oberhausen and Bonn only in nightime hours, Krefeld has traffic restrictions to prevent car based picking up of streetwalkers. Essen and Koln also have designated fenced off streets so they are not really streetwalkers. Frankfurt RLD is a no go, unless you want to risk being interrupted midsession by the Police. Berlin is good.

2 never paid extra for DATY or had a girls use mobile during a session.

[Sxyman]

Hello guys.

I read this online. My german is not too good, translation says puppenhaus in Regensburg was auctioned off. Any idea if they stopped working yet or will they go on?

http://www.wochenblatt.de/257450

[Steve Y]

Except GGG series. I have heard about Melanie moon month film shoots but I didn't see good reviews here. I want infos about Germany or any other country if somebody knows.

[SwingerLover]

Melanie moon month film shoots but I didn't see good reviews here.I recall only one report about a MM filmshooting at all, which indeed wasn't too good. Check my AO-maps, you will find quite a number of filmed events in there. I put the next ones from the current map into the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3335-Bareback-AO-Party-Calendar&p=1611043&viewfull=1#post1611043

There are some covered video shootings as well, for example:

http://www.saskia-farell.com/party-termine

www.videorudi.at/videorudi.php?PrtMod=TermineShow&strg=210

[Gergiev]

There are some covered video shootings as well, for example:

www.videorudi.at/videorudi.php?PrtMod=TermineShow&strg=210Recent update about Video Rudi in the Vienna branch -

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?621-Vienna&p=1611585&viewfull=1#post1611585

[Mrknowitall]

Please see my question in the Cologne forum about this upcoming weekend's Big Splash party.

Does anybody know anything about it? Is it recommended?

Pros: 750 women!

Cons: Even more men. Could be crowded, and I hate crowds!

[Oliver Kitsoff]

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/index.htmlJust a note to say thanks for this, and your personal mongering journalism should win the Whitbread prize for non-fiction.
The telegraph story is a gritty read, but I am always a little skeptical of articles by female journalists, and I have heard the internet/prostitution story framed in a much more positive light.

The Economist article here http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21611074-how-new-technology-shaking-up-oldest-business-more-bang-your-buck

I would not go near a trafficked girl, and never engage morose looking ladies anyway.

Trafficking horrifies me, it really does. But a lot of the female reporters just see the dark side.

I remember the girls I met in Germany and wonder if we are talking about the same profession?

[IndStallion31]

Hello friends and seniors,

I'm travelling to Berlin and Frankfurt as part of Europe holiday trip. After seeing so many reports in Europe forum, I guess Germany is one of the best for P4 P action than many other countries. I will be reaching Berlin tentatively on Nov. 3rd. Then move to Prague. On my return journey I have nearly a 24 hour lay over for a transit flight at Frankfurt. I have done RTFF and I found Frankfurt better due to proximity of many FKK clubs.

In Berlin other then FKK Artemis is there any other option?

I' m not much interested in RLD as the reasons are know well.

I would like to try some swinger clubs and unlimited action "flat- rate type" brothels. If there is any thing like that in Berlin, kindly give your inputs as to which one is better.

I would also be happy if any of the fellow mongers would like to join me. I would be glad as this is my first trip to Europe. I'm 28/ m / Indian.

Is there any parties like gang bang arranged where a minimum fees is paid and one can enter and have as many rounds as possible. I have seen a post in Indian forum somewhere where a member had written about his experience in Germany. Kindly enlighten about that too.

Thank you

[Mander]

Hello!

I've been lurking for a while wishing I could have a chance to visit the land of beautiful ladies at affordable price.

Looks like I might get lucky and will have a chance to travel Munich next year!!

Here's what I'm looking for: having a great time with gorgeous ladies (Caucasians, Latinas & Asians) in their 20's, and trying out new fun such as anal (giving only!) and threesome.

Here's my limitation: this is a business trip and I'll have to be at office from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm. I may be able to come a day earlier or leave one day later the business. My budget for playing is around $1,000.

From what I've read, the P4P scene is not all that great around Munich. During the business week, I'll probably have to settle with FKK Sunshine, Relax, and other places inside Munich. But I may be able to take a train to go to FKK Colosseum or Hawaii on the one free day.

Here's my question: if I'm going to take the train to travel 1 HR for a better P4P scene, should I just go a bit further and travel 3. 5 hrs to Frankfurt and go to Oase? Would it worth the extra time and train fare? Any other tip to maximize my trip would also be appreciated!

[IllusionHeart]

Hello!

I've been lurking for a while wishing I could have a chance to visit the land of beautiful ladies at affordable price.

Looks like I might get lucky and will have a chance to travel Munich next year!!

Here's what I'm looking for: having a great time with gorgeous ladies (Caucasians, Latinas & Asians) in their 20's, and trying out new fun such as anal (giving only!) and threesome.

Here's my limitation: this is a business trip and I'll have to be at office from 8:00 am to 9:00 pm. I may be able to come a day earlier or leave one day later the business. My budget for playing is around $1,000.

From what I've read, the P4P scene is not all that great around Munich. During the business week, I'll probably have to settle with FKK Sunshine, Relax, and other places inside Munich. But I may be able to take a train to go to FKK Colosseum or Hawaii on the one free day.

Here's my question: if I'm going to take the train to travel 1 HR for a better P4P scene, should I just go a bit further and travel 3. 5 hrs to Frankfurt and go to Oase? Would it worth the extra time and train fare? Any other tip to maximize my trip would also be appreciated!Mander,

It would make sense to go to FKK Oase unless you plan to stay overnight in Frankfurt city or in a Hotel near the club. You would be spending 3.5 hrs + 0.45 min to 1 HR from Frankfurt HBF to get to the club. That's approx. 4.5 hrs of travel 1 side. 9 hours if you plan to do it on same day not mentioning the time wasted in waiting at stations, etc. You will hardly have much time to enjoy in the club. Besides as per my visit in this summer the best time to get to club preferably was after 4 pm and stick till 12 am. And I trust you will want to do at least 2/3 sessions if you are going travelling so far and to a Club with so many sexy women.

If you are short on time then restrict you travel to max 1 to 2 hours and visit FKK Colosseum in Augsburg or FKK Hawaii in Ingolstadt or FKK heaven in Nuremberg. All these should not take you more then 1. 5 to 2 hours from Munich to reach and you will have more time on your hand to relax and enjoy. Guess that's what a vacation or visit to FKK is supposed to be.

[Mander]

Mander,

If you are short on time then restrict you travel to max 1 to 2 hours and visit FKK Colosseum in Augsburg or FKK Hawaii in Ingolstadt or FKK heaven in Nuremberg. All these should not take you more then 1. 5 to 2 hours from Munich to reach and you will have more time on your hand to relax and enjoy. Guess that's what a vacation or visit to FKK is supposed to be.Thank you for your kind and wise words. I had not looked into Nuremberg. I'll check it out.

[Sean EZ]

I have been reading this board, can somebody confirm that my understanding is correct that Frankfurt is the best city in Germany for FKK? Looking for.

Value, easy access from city center, quality and variety of girls.

Coming from London so it would be easy for me to get to any German city if this is not the case. Thanks in advance.

[Capt Dan]

I have been reading this board, can somebody confirm that my understanding is correct that Frankfurt is the best city in Germany for FKK? Looking for.

Value, easy access from city center, quality and variety of girls.

Coming from London so it would be easy for me to get to any German city if this is not the case. Thanks in advance.In my opinion Frankfurt is the best city to visit for an FKK experience primarily because several of the biggest and best FKK / Sauna Clubs are within striking distance of this location. No other location has so many large mega clubs all located within a reasonable distance of each other.

These clubs are FKK Oase, FKK Sharks, FKK World, FKK Palace and FKK Mainhattan. Others may argue that you will have a greater chance of a more pleasant experience in some of the smaller clubs (also in Frankfurt) but my advice would be to experience the big clubs first. Try and visit any of the above clubs from Thursday to Saturday when they will be seen at their best (i.e. more girls will be in attendance). Expect these clubs to be quieter if you visit before 5pm on any day (including weekends). Ideally visit with a buddy or perhaps try to hook up with a senior member in the clubs. Also try to base yourself as close as possible to the club or clubs which you intend to visit. PM me if you require any further details :)

CD

[Sean EZ]

In my opinion Frankfurt is the best city to visit for an FKK experience primarily because several of the biggest and best FKK / Sauna Clubs are within striking distance of this location.

PM me if you require any further details :)

CDMany thanks Dan. Will do.

[Neurosynth]

Here's a question for seasoned travelers.

I've noticed that if I reserve a car for Germany on, say, avis.com I get a significantly better rate than on avis.de .

What I haven't tried yet, however, is to access avis.com *from* a German ISP.

Is my observation about cheaper cars from the USA site generally correct? If I'm in Germany will they somehow try to block my use of the USA site? What if I use a VPN or proxy server to make it look like I'm in the USA?

Thanks!

[Dark Vader]

Here's a question for seasoned travelers.

I've noticed that if I reserve a car for Germany on, say, avis.com I get a significantly better rate than on avis.de .

What I haven't tried yet, however, is to access avis.com *from* a German ISP.

Is my observation about cheaper cars from the USA site generally correct? If I'm in Germany will they somehow try to block my use of the USA site? What if I use a VPN or proxy server to make it look like I'm in the USA?

Thanks!I normally use consolidators eg Kayak and find that there is normally no material difference between the various country variants when one takes exchange rates into account.

[Big Ass Eater]

Hi everybody,

I'd like to ask those who have been around in Germany and are experienced enough to make a Top 10 list over the best brothels. Please name the place and don't forget the city as well.

Cheers.

[Muevelo]

Here's a question for seasoned travelers.

I've noticed that if I reserve a car for Germany on, say, avis.com I get a significantly better rate than on avis.de .

What I haven't tried yet, however, is to access avis.com *from* a German ISP.

Is my observation about cheaper cars from the USA site generally correct? If I'm in Germany will they somehow try to block my use of the USA site? What if I use a VPN or proxy server to make it look like I'm in the USA?

Thanks!I've made numerous reservations using VPN and picked up at the Frankfurt airport. The lady behind the counter doesn't have a clue if I just flew in or not; nor does she typically care. Just wants a local number. I've even given a US driver's license even though I hold a German license (helps with the cameras. Hard to track me down by the rental company LOL).

The price was 900 euro and $900 for the same car / same period. Big difference. But I've noticed that numbers are the same almost always, but if your salary is USD than it's a huge difference.

[Neurosynth]

Thanks for the feedback! Very interesting. I'll probably make a point of checking prices both through the. De and US. Com sites. And I'll use my stateside VPN just in case the US site tries to sniff out where you are reserving from. A 20-25% discount is worth a little extra effort!

Cheers,

Neurosynth.


I've made numerous reservations using VPN and picked up at the Frankfurt airport. The lady behind the counter doesn't have a clue if I just flew in or not; nor does she typically care. Just wants a local number. I've even given a US driver's license even though I hold a German license (helps with the cameras. Hard to track me down by the rental company LOL).

The price was 900 euro and $900 for the same car / same period. Big difference. But I've noticed that numbers are the same almost always, but if your salary is USD than it's a huge difference.

[Muevelo]

Thanks for the feedback! Very interesting. I'll probably make a point of checking prices both through the. De and US. Com sites. And I'll use my stateside VPN just in case the US site tries to sniff out where you are reserving from. A 20-25% discount is worth a little extra effort!

Cheers,

Neurosynth.Thinking about things and what I have set up still. I have a mainland address associated to my bank card. You can call your bank and have them add a second address (previous, or just lie and tell them you have a second home back in the states and use somebody's address you can trust in case the get mail) and tell them that you need it there so you can use it for mailing / billing purposes since most online companies fail to put any overseas options (APO. Assuming you use). Takes out question on the rental company if you are here or there.

Muevelo

[Neurosynth]

Thanks for the thoughts, but my card addresses will remain in the US (I'll go back after 4 months) so that's not an issue for me. Unless having a permanent German address would be of help!

[Qwerty456]

Can someone with better German than me answer this. I am trying to register in a German language board, but I am unable to answer the security question (Sicherheitsfrage), fill in the missing word to replace LSH:

Tipp bitte LSH ein.

Thanks!

[Vito Corleone]

Can someone with better German than me answer this. I am trying to register in a German language board, but I am unable to answer the security question (Sicherheitsfrage), fill in the missing word to replace LSH:

Tipp bitte LSH ein.

Thanks!Social security number.

[Qwerty456]

Social security number.Thanks! As not being a German I don't have a German social security number and thus unable to register myself. Too bad.

Dumb me! The correct answer was LSH!

[Willi69]

As not being a German I don't have a German social security number and thus unable to register myself.You never have to enter a social security number to register for a German board. Which board is it?

[Folsky]

Hi,

I plan to visit Germany in July / August.

Which is the best city to visit (I don't want to move from 1 city to another) for.

1. FKK clubs.

2. Strip clubs.

3. Private escorts.

4. Some kinky BDSM.

[Banana Boi]

1 city for FKK's you should stick with Frankfurt. 5 major clubs Oase, Sharks, Palace, Mainhattan, and World. Keep in mind it's still 85 km from World to Sharks. Dusseldorf / Koln has more clubs but way more spread out so you may not consider it to be 1 city. It also has door policies at some clubs.

Strip clubs. This is basically a non-commodity in Germany. No need since there are FKK's which are more or less the same thing.

From what I have read, escorts would be Berlin with Monrouge and Kamilla Dee (also has a large FKK there with Artemis). Other option is the numerous private houses around Koln (ie. Teenyland, Traums Paradise, Nylon Cafe, Haus Armor, B8, Pague Cats, Villa Ladies, etc.).

The other thing that NRW has are partytreff and pauschalclubs where you can have sex with 10 girls for 100 euro total, mostly north of Dusseldorf. This may be appealing if you're on a budget.

Kinky BDSM. I'm too vanilla for this.

Not sure how long your trip is but if you're there for a week you should do both FRA and NRW.

[Christian G]

Hi,
I plan to visit Germany in July / August.
Which is the best city to visit (I don't want to move from 1 city to another) for.
I) FKK clubs.
II) strip clubs.
III) private escorts.
IV) some kinky BDSM.Berlin, just 1 FKK (Artemis), but some private escorts-brothel, some partytreff. Gangbang and some kinky BDSM. Easy to going around with a you-bahn and S-bahn and many tourist attractions to visit.

[Folsky]

Thanks Banana Boi and Christian.

Koln and Dusseldorf makes sense for me.

Thanks for the advice.

[Banana Boi]

Hey Folsky. I just reviewed your post history and read that you are Bangalorean. I had to look it up but if this means you have darker skin of Indian descent, you will not be allowed entry to a few places in Dusseldorf / NRW. If this is the case, either carefully read the thread of the clubs you want to visit to make sure you are welcome or maybe go to Frankfurt instead where this is not an issue in clubs. My apologies if you are not of Indian descent.

[Snow1998]

Hi ISGians,

I'm looking for massage (Asian / euro) and FKKs closest within easy driving distance or train / tram to Basel. Which German city would that be? I'm in Basel for a couple of months, have tried before and will be visiting again the FKKS Basel and try some of the other clubs as well. But also want to venture out to bordering Germany if its of better VFM.

[Varenne]

Hi ISGians,

I'm looking for massage (Asian / euro) and FKKs closest within easy driving distance or train / tram to Basel. Which German city would that be?You might try to query the mongers map:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/mongers-map-germany_27946#9/47.7375/8. 9745.

Activate the "FKK & Saunaclub in current map view" layer to list all clubs in the current map view. It will show you clubs in Switzerland as well. Looks like FKK-Palast in Freiburg is the closest one.

[Snow1998]

You might try to query the mongers map:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/mongers-map-germany_27946#9/47.7375/8. 9745.

Activate the "FKK & Saunaclub in current map view" layer to list all clubs in the current map view. It will show you clubs in Switzerland as well. Looks like FKK-Palast in Freiburg is the closest one.Thanks very much. This is a great map. Working my way around it. Might even expand my horizons seeing what is available.

[ThunderStar]

Hi guys,

I've been around this and other boards and traded info on Spain, Sosua Dominican Republic and The Gambia. But now I need a little help.

The wife and I attend a load of swingers clubs in the UK and sex clubs like Retro / Private and The Daganham Spa. All paid for entertainer sex clubs.

We are now looking to broaden our horizons and try Germany. I'd just like a take on where you think we would be best off first? Which town / city would be best for us?

Our German is pretty much non existent, but in sex clubs apart from "not in her ass" there is not much more for us to say. We play with couples and guys and happy with gangbang club set up, so, over to you. Where would be the first town / city you would advise us to hit.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

P.S. The FKK thing or paying each time doesn't really appeal as we like lots of group action. Partyteff appears to be more our kind of thing.

[Christian G]

We play with couples and guys and happy with gangbang club set up, so, over to you. Where would be the first town / city you would advise us to hit.

You could try Insomnia in Berlin.

http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/

[Bigyank1957]

Lots of choices; you can go couples only in the cinema, or invite two or three guys into one of several rooms or go greedy girl in several places. Love this place!


Hi guys,

I've been around this and other boards and traded info on Spain, Sosua Dominican Republic and The Gambia. But now I need a little help.

The wife and I attend a load of swingers clubs in the UK and sex clubs like Retro / Private and The Daganham Spa. All paid for entertainer sex clubs.

We are now looking to broaden our horizons and try Germany. I'd just like a take on where you think we would be best off first? Which town / city would be best for us?

Our German is pretty much non existent, but in sex clubs apart from "not in her ass" there is not much more for us to say. We play with couples and guys and happy with gangbang club set up, so, over to you. Where would be the first town / city you would advise us to hit.

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

P.S. The FKK thing or paying each time doesn't really appeal as we like lots of group action. Partyteff appears to be more our kind of thing.

[UShobbyist]

You could try Insomnia in Berlin.

http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/A most recent report in the Insomnia thread indicates that the girls of Insomnia only do CBJ. If CBJ is not a problem for you, you go for it. If it's a problem for you, you might want to try Erlebniswohnung gang bang club. Although EW has long passed its golden age, you can still get BBBJ.

[RandomTraveler]

A most recent report in the Insomnia thread indicates that the girls of Insomnia only do CBJ. If CBJ is not a problem for you, you go for it. If it's a problem for you, you might want to try Erlebniswohnung gang bang club. Although EW has long passed its golden age, you can still get BBBJ.There was one house girl at Insomnia that did BBJ when I went there, but I guess it's hit and miss. You might get lucky with some of the couples I recon. I'll do some more "research" April 4th.

You also have Swinger Oase. Never been there myself, but they have gangbang parties every Wednesday, and other theme parties for swingers as well.

[Dark Vader]

We are now looking to broaden our horizons and try Germany. I'd just like a take on where you think we would be best off first? Which town / city would be best for us?

Our German is pretty much non existent, but in sex clubs apart from "not in her ass" there is not much more for us to say. We play with couples and guys and happy with gangbang club set up, so, over to you. Where would be the first town / city you would advise us to hit..If, as you say, you are a couple actively looking to play then you are likely to do fine and get what you want in just about any hetro sexual swinger club in Germany so it all depends if you are looking for anything else.

If English is important then cities that attract a lot of intertnational visitors like Berlin, Frankfurt or Dusseldorf would be good choices. Or perhaps an event like the black and white parties at Le Coq swinger club (near Mainz) which attracts a lot of black american airforce guys.

If you're looking for things to do other than visiting the club(s) then obviously a city like Berlin is great to visit because there is lots of tourist stuff to do.

If you're looking for gangbangs above all else then lookout for Herrenuberschuss (male excess) events on a site like www.joyclub.de. That site is quite popular with German swingers and you can also see how many people have signed up for particular events.

You can also check out this thread for reports on some swinger clubs.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3170-Other-Swinger-Clubs

[ThunderStar]

Guys,

Just wanted to say "thank you" for your help and pointers.

From my own research. I thought Berlin would be our best option for our virgin trip to Germany. But thought I should ask those in the know.

Somebody mentioned about the swingers clubs. In all honesty. We prefer gangbang situations, or at least some paid for entertainers to just a Swingers Club. However Germany may be different, and that may be to do with our lack of German.

We are planning from Monday 8th June for a week of debauchery and will report back here on our fun from a couples perspective.

Any hotel recommendations in the red light district? Obviously girl friendly and UK Premmier Inn standard is ok for us.

[SwingerLover]

If you're looking for gangbangs above all else then lookout for Herrenuberschuss (male excess) events on a site like www.joyclub.de. With "like" being the operative word here! Because Joyclub seems pretty useless for people who are into some real gangbang action. It is my experience that most people from that portal are the kind of "swingers" that don't really want to swing, but rather stay amongst themselves or just show up at the clubs to show off their new clothes, smoke cigarettes, eat, drink and do everything else under the sun besides fucking. Can't speak for every club, can't speak for every city, don't know the Berlin scene at all.


We prefer gangbang situations,

We are planning from Monday 8th June for a week of debauchery It seems as if Gangbang is your preferred choice. Then I would recommend against Berlin. Better go to NRW, that's the NorthRhineWestphalia region of Germany and chose either the capitol Düsseldorf or one of the Ruhrgebiet-cities between Krefeld and Bochum as home base. That would give you access to gangbang events from Saskia Farell or Zhuzha or others, depending on what will be offered during your stay. Here are a few links you might want to check out, with no dates for June yet of course. Some of those do bareback gangbangs with HIV-testing on-site, I don't know if that's an option for you. It will say AO in the description of the event (AO = Alles Ohne = all without; meaning without condoms).

http://www.saskia-farell.com/service/termine/

http://www.zhuzha.de/

www.spermagames.com

http://www.frivoler-treff-bottrop.de/

http://www.erlebniswelt-holweide.de/

http://www.erotiktreff95.de/partytermine-erotiktreff95.html

Then there's always Eronity, where you can register for free and keep an eye on the Eventkalender for Gangbangs: www.eronity.com/join.php?rid=00364521.

And if you like or even prefer bareback action, then I can be of further assistance.

[ThunderStar]

Swingerlover. I've read a couple of your updates in the past. So thanks for the info.

AO. Or bareback apart from oral is not for us.

Not even I come in my wife. And we have been together 10 years! No babies and I'm happy to unload into a sack. No babies, means better car / house / holidays etc.

Dusseldorf is another option I have been researching and was no. 2 on my list after Berlin. Ill do some more reading and thanks for the pointer!

[SwingerLover]

AO. Or bareback apart from oral is not for us.Okay, then strike Spermagames off the list I posted below. (Or go to Wülfrath on June 9th and do only BBBJs, Bukkake and rubbers-only, if you'll find enough guys for the latter.).

If you consider Bottrop or Erlebniswelt, then check who is announced that day and whether they do AO or not; when in doubt: Pick another day. Saskia, Zhuzha and Erotiktreff95 are rubbers-only, as is: http://www.intimdream.com/.

[SvenFKK]

We are now looking to broaden our horizons and try Germany. I'd just like a take on where you think we would be best off first? Which town / city would be best for us?

Our German is pretty much non existent,I've read the followups here but it is not entirely clear to me what you want. Both of you want to visit a club where there is gangbang-style action for her. No anal at all, vaginal sex covered, oral sex without. Does she do CIM? Swallow?

What about action for the guy? Do you want to just watch, or are you looking for action with other women as well?

I gather you like public action.

I don't think you can send me a PM (try! We can discuss things here if you can't.

I am located near Frankfurt, speak perfect English, and have a good overview of the scene here.

Until recently, there was a club in the Cologne area, perhaps the best club in the world. It was a Partytreff club, which means that punters pay a flat fee and there is public sex. There were a few paid women there, that is, paid by the owners from the entrance fee, and usually no others. There were usually more men than women there, but not too many more. Couples and women could come as well, and occasionally some did. A few times while I was there a couple came. So, there were, say, a dozen men there at any one time. There were other girls, usually not doing gang-bang style stuff. In such cases, the woman was usually looking for a gang bang, and most of the men had a go in between sessions with the house women. Unfortunately, the club, Mettmann, no longer exists. Maybe some readers here could suggest a similar club where this would work.

Again, if you want more men than women in the club, lots of men ready go gang bang the wife, and public action, go for a Partytreff. They cater mostly to men, but I don't think any would turn a couple away and you probably won't have to pay as much to get in.

If you are looking to make money from this, then there are other possibilities.

Also check out KOW2 in Hamburg. It is more of a bar with back-room sex. Mostly regulars, mostly couple, mostly real swingers. I've been there just once, but the club has been going for a long time. When I was there, a couple came for the first time and, from the chat at the bar, it seems they were similar to you. After a while, they went downstairs. After some light SM stuff, the woman lay down and spread her legs and a two-hour gang bang resulted. She also did no anal and otherwise covered. (She also did CBJ, except for her husband, who could also fuck her without.) A short time later, they started appearing there as an announce attraction. I think in such cases they do get some money. Not a whole lot, and of course any woman could make more just as a regular prostitute, but that's not the object.

[ThunderStar]

Our German is pretty much non existent.

I've read the followups here but it is not entirely clear to me what you want. Both of you want to visit a club where there is gangbang-style action for her. No anal at all, vaginal sex covered, oral sex without. Does she do CIM? Swallow?

Yes. All of the above we enjoy. CIM and spit I'm afraid. Not swallowing some other guys "love juice".

What about action for the guy? Do you want to just watch, or are you looking for action with other women as well?

I normally "play" towards the end. I'm happy to watch to start. Sometimes we do DV, sometimes she plays with other women, sometimes I fuck the girls there.

I gather you like public action.

We are cool with that.

I don't think you can send me a PM (try! We can discuss things here if you can't.

Happy to discuss here. Just looking for the right town / city right now for us to discover. I'm thinking Berlin. But happy to be redirected.

We are happy to enjoy the show of street walkers and maybe pick up if we find the right one, but the Partytreff thing. From what we have seen on the web looks like "us".

I am located near Frankfurt, speak perfect English, and have a good overview of the scene here.

Thanks for your help.

Until recently, there was a club in the Cologne area, perhaps the best club in the world. It was a Partytreff club, which means that punters pay a flat fee and there is public sex. There were a few paid women there, that is, paid by the owners from the entrance fee, and usually no others. There were usually more men than women there, but not too many more. Couples and women could come as well, and occasionally some did. A few times while I was there a couple came. So, there were, say, a dozen men there at any one time. There were other girls, usually not doing gang-bang style stuff. In such cases, the woman was usually looking for a gang bang, and most of the men had a go in between sessions with the house women. Unfortunately, the club, Mettmann, no longer exists. Maybe some readers here could suggest a similar club where this would work.

That sounds like exactly our kind of place. I'm hoping bi sex girls are available as well?

Again, if you want more men than women in the club, lots of men ready go gang bang the wife, and public action, go for a Partytreff. They cater mostly to men, but I don't think any would turn a couple away and you probably won't have to pay as much to get in.

This is what I understand from internet research. Thanks for confirming.

If you are looking to make money from this, then there are other possibilities.

We are not. But hey. She has never thought of earning from it before. We just like to have our week sex parties every now and then, but no. Not in this to make money.

Also check out KOW2 in Hamburg. It is more of a bar with back-room sex. Mostly regulars, mostly couple, mostly real swingers. I've been there just once, but the club has been going for a long time. When I was there, a couple came for the first time and, from the chat at the bar, it seems they were similar to you. After a while, they went downstairs. After some light SM stuff, the woman lay down and spread her legs and a two-hour gang bang resulted. She also did no anal and otherwise covered. (She also did CBJ, except for her husband, who could also fuck her without.) A short time later, they started appearing there as an announce attraction. I think in such cases they do get some money. Not a whole lot, and of course any woman could make more just as a regular prostitute, but that's not the object.

That sounds like us. But without the money. Although the wife has a good job in the UK, as do I and making money from this is not what we are trying to do, although. Hey - if there is money available for participating females. Well, why not.

Thanks guys for all your help so far.

Right now. I'm still thinking Berlin, a few sex kinos, partytreffs and hopefully an afternoon watching the street scene, getting drunk and picking up some fun.

By the way. Thanks to WANKING for the sex map. Fantastic - thank you.

[Teomir]

Considering a short one night trip to Germany. Either Berlin or Dusseldorf.

Pros Berlin: Some good establishments (AP, EW), easy to get around by Public transport.

Cons Berlin: Seems as the prices, especially for extra services, are a bit high, variety of establishments (FKK, Flatrate, Gangbang) less then NRW.

Pros NRW: Wide selection of establishments of all types, seems as the best ares for value for Money.

Cons NRW: Wider ares, more difficult to move around.

Any views?

[SwingerLover]

Cons NRW: Wider ares, more difficult to move around.That only goes if you look at the ENTIRE NRW-region. If you stick to the Rhein-Ruhr-region, (from Mönchengladbach to Krefeld and Duisburg to Düsseldorf, Essen, Oberhausen, Gelsenkirchen, Bochum and all the way over to Dortmund) you have a much bigger area where it is almost as easy to move around in as in Berlin. If you want to go to Bonn, the Siegerland, Westphalia or the Münsterland too, then it will indeed get more difficult to move around. NRW is quite large, Berlin is a pimple in size by comparison.

[Teomir]

That only goes if you look at the ENTIRE NRW-region. If you stick to the Rhein-Ruhr-region, (from Mnchengladbach to Krefeld and Duisburg to Dsseldorf, Essen, Oberhausen, Gelsenkirchen, Bochum and all the way over to Dortmund) you have a much bigger area where it is almost as easy to move around in as in Berlin. If you want to go to Bonn, the Siegerland, Westphalia or the Mnsterland too, then it will indeed get more difficult to move around. NRW is quite large, Berlin is a pimple in size by comparison.I see. For this purpose I Guess the area cornered by Krefeld, mnchbgl, Bochum, Duisburg is the relevant one. I checked DB. De, and it seems like Public transport makes it quite easy to move around.

What about variety, Level of, and price of services?

[SwingerLover]

I checked DB.de, and it seems like Public transport makes it quite easy to move around.

What about variety, Level of, and price of services?Yes, in this region, travelling by DB should be pretty easy. (I don't know first hand, I use my car.).

Variety is very big, about level and prices of services I can't really say, since for sex I've only driven to NRW for bareback flatrate events so far. For those, you can check the Bareback AO Party Calendar thread in the Germany AO Clubs forum. For everything else, I'm the wrong guy to ask and could only recommend some women I know from those events. Just two examples:

Susi in theüsseldorf (who was always the star at the FunGirls parties) for propably 100 € an hour for 1-on-1 service: http://sexdo.de/hobbyhuren/39853/duesseldorf-40472-susi.html.

Rinata, who you can find at several locations, including Erotiktreff95 in Schwerte (66 € flatrate, condoms only there, together with 2 other women): http://www.erotiktreff95.de/partytermine-erotiktreff95.html http://www.sexy-rinata.com/CAMS/DE/Homepage/Seite.html?type=10.

[Willi69]

What about variety, Level of, and price of services?Here is current list with more than 2200 addresses only in NRW (only with an own domain), grouped by themes:

http://www.ijsberenforum.com/forum/showthread.php?41219-Linkliste-NRW

The prices in saunaclubs are the lowest in whole Germany.

Except for Sundays, travelling with DB is quite okay. In the bigger cities the trains drive nearly around the clock at Friday / Saturday.

[Willi69]

Best offer for public transport in NRW is "SchoenerTagTicket NRW-Ticket":

http://www.bahn.de/regional/view/regionen/nrw/freizeit/schoenertag_ticket.shtml

For only 29 Euro per day you can use all trains (economy class, except ICE), trams and busses in whole NRW. It's valid from 9 o'clock am (on workdays, at the weekend without limits) until 3 or 4 o'clock am of the next day.

[SwingerLover]

you can use all trains Provided that the train drivers are not on strike again, as they are this week. Fuck the trains, get a car!

[Big Ass Eater]

Hi, my German friends. I'm on my way to Germany and found these prices online. However, since my German is near nil I don't get most of what it says. I'd be more than happy to get this list translated by some helpful soul out there. Thanks plenty!

Natursekt: 10 €.

Vibratorspiele (passiv): 10 €.

Spezielle Öl-Massage: 10 €.

Trampling: 10 €.

Doktorspiele: 30 €.

Domina: 30 €.

Devot: 20 €.

Verbalerotik: 10 €.

Eierlecken: 20 €.

Erziehung: 30 €.

Fesselspiele: 30 €.

Fetisch: 30 €.

Fisting: 30 €.

Küssen: 10 €.

Rollenspiele Spezial: 30 €.

Schmerzspiele: 30 €.

Umschnalldildo: 20 €.

[SvenFKK]

Natursekt: 10 . [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118) (pissing).

Vibratorspiele (passiv): 10 . Vibrator games.

Spezielle l-Massage: 10 . Special oil massage.

Trampling: 10 . Trampling.

Doktorspiele: 30 . Playing doctor.

Domina: 30 . Domina.

Devot: 20 . Devote.

Verbalerotik: 10 . Wordplay.

Eierlecken: 20 . Ball licking.

Erziehung: 30 . Part of BDSM.

Fesselspiele: 30 . Bondage.

Fetisch: 30 . Fetish.

Fisting: 30 . Fisting.

Kssen: 10 . Should be Küssen, kssing.

Rollenspiele Spezial: 30 . Role playing.

Schmerzspiele: 30 . Pain games.

Umschnalldildo: 20 . Strap on.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Hi, my German friends. I'm on my way to Germany and found these prices online. However, since my German is near nil I don't get most of what it says. I'd be more than happy to get this list translated by some helpful soul out there. Thanks plenty!I also had a recent need to refer to a list of German sex terms, slang, and abbreviations used in classifieds. I remembered that this has come up before so I did a search for some of those terms in both the general Germany and the FKK fora. Within a matter of minutes I identified four previous posts that did the job and I saved the copied contents of each to documents for future reference. Also, don't forget this site's own list of abbreviations / terminology.

My thanks to the members who posted those four contributions.

Rufus.

[SwingerLover]

Domina: 30 €.
Devot: 20 €.Domina = Dominatrix.

Devot = submissive.

[Big Ass Eater]

Thanks to SvenFKK and SwingerLover. I appreciate it.

And with regards to Rufus remark, since it was a list consisting of several terms I simply posted it. More convenient as I see it.

[Rufus T Firefly]

Thanks to SvenFKK and SwingerLover. I appreciate it.
And with regards to Rufus remark, since it was a list consisting of several terms I simply posted it. More convenient as I see it.The point that I obviously didn't get across is that a simple search would have yielded at least four longs lists of German sex terms, slang, and abbreviations in less time it took to compose, key and post the original question. It was meant to be an FYI for anyone who might have that need. So there it is.

Rufus.

[Myrrh]

On a recent trip to Germany I was issued with a fine order for 40 euros for not having a valid ticket on the train. I was told to pay within a certain time period. I think it was 30 or 40 days. But I can't really remember to be honest as I had made up my mind that I wasn't going to pay anyway.

However now I am thinking that maybe I should have paid on the spot as they took my passport details and I am slightly concerned that I could be barred from entering Germany in future or hit with the fine plus accumulated interest when I next arrive at an airport in Germany.

I had arrived in Frankfurt airport and having spent an eternity trying to get out of the place I was a bit impatient. So when I saw that there was a train waiting to go to Frankfurt train station I jumped on it intending to buy a ticket when I got to Frankfurt. As the train took off, too late, I saw that there were a team of inspectors on the same carriage and they got to me within a minute.

I admitted to them that I didn't have time to buy my ticket and as I was carrying luggage, clearly having just arrived in the country, I was hoping for a sympathetic hearing. But it was a case of call off the search for the inspectors as now they had found a victim they did not even bother to check any more tickets on the rest of the train. The three of them encircled me asking me questions. I admitted that I didn't have time to buy a ticket saying that I thought that I could buy one on the train. In retrospect I probably should have gone for another excuse like I had bought a ticket but couldn't find it but I am not sure that would work either.

I told them that I only had 10 euros cash on me so I didn't have enough to pay the full fine but could pay the normal fare. I presumed that the fare from the airport to Frankfurt wouldn't have been more than that. They said that I would have to pay the fine rather than the fare now and I could get the money from an ATM when I got to Frankfurt train station. They then guarded me until we got there and escorted me to the nearest ATM which was a small standalone machine on the platform.

I was interested to see how far I could push things so I pretended that my card was not accepted by the small ATM machine.

The inspectors were led by this small Hitlerette of a woman who seemed determined that I would not be let off the hook and was well versed in the routine. She said that next we would have to go to an ATM which was at a bank inside the train station. There I deliberately entered my pin number incorrectly and did it again when she asked me to do try again; up to three times. However she had been peering over my shoulder and had read the error message on the screen that the wrong pin number had been entered. She accused me correctly of playing games.

She now said that there was no alternative but to go to the police and there was a police station in the train station. Once we had got to the police station and they had presented me to a police officer, the three inspectors were keen to get away but I deliberately tried to detain them as much as possible by saying that I did not understand the charge and asking them to re-explain what the position was. However eventually they said that they had to go. They had done enough in their minds to secure the 40 euro fine and so had to rush back to catch the next person.

The police officer was a bit sympathetic. He had probably seen countless cases like this where some unwitting tourist new to Germany gets stung as soon as they enter the country and have to pay a massive fine. He said that he did not work for the railway company but was mediating. I had not yet committed a criminal offence however if I did not pay within 30 (or was It 40?) days then it would be logged then as a criminal offence. He asked for my passport and I handed it over because I thought that if I could not produce a passport then I would be held under suspicion that I was an illegal immigrant. After checking my passport on their system he handed it back with a document written in German which was the fine order. I was then free to go.

I am concerned that I might be barred from Germany when I next visit as my next trip would be after the deadline when I should have paid the fine. They might check my passport against their computer system and if there is a crime logged there then refuse me entry. I probably couldn't pay the fine then and there at the airport, because they would not have the paperwork or the means to process the fine payment so there would be no alternative but to get back on the next available flight back to the UK.

I had thought that the inspectors would probably have only taken my name and then just let me off as it was a first offence, perhaps with a warning that if it happened again then I would be fined. However the German authorities seem determined to ensure that I paid the fine for this first time offence. In the UK you almost certainly would be let off with a warning if it is clear that you are a tourist only in the country for a few days.

As a tourist you are at a disadvantage in not being in a position like a native to know what the exact rules are. Also you may not know about ways to save on your fares like buying day travel cards and so end up paying more than you need to compared to local citizens.

Many countries help tourists by allowing you to purchase a ticket whilst on a train to / from the airport because you may not have the opportunity to exchange currency upon entering the country or be familiar with where the ticket machines are sited or what the rules are.

In the UK there are barrier gates at pretty much every train station to stop you from being tempted to travel without a ticket and thereby becoming liable for a fine. There are also normally at least one or more assistants around at stations to help, numerous ticket machines and an open ticket office. Whereas in Germany there are one or two ticket machines, small / closed / no ticket offices and no one around to help or provide advice to travelers.

Most countries generally try to encourage tourism by treating tourists sympathetically, and creating a favorable first impression, rather than using opportunities to treat them as criminals.

I am inclined to not pay the fine and hope that they will just write it off in time. However this is Germany and I understand that they are ruthlessly efficient and matter-of-fact in following processes strictly with no leeway.

They have my passport details but not my address in the UK or contact details so they can't send me any further correspondence or chase me for the fine or any interest on the fine.

One advantage that I have is that I have two UK passports which I am allowed to have by the authorities because I do a lot of travelling as part of my job. I plan to now use the second passport which has a different serial number on any future travel to Germany. It may not make much difference because of course it is the same name and same face in the photo on the passport.

Going forward whenever I travel to Germany in the future I will always buy a ticket in advance. However I know that on most visits to Germany in the past I have made many train journeys and never seen a single ticket inspector. Given that scenario some may be tempted to never buy a ticket but just to pay the on-the-spot fine on the few occasions that they are caught. If you are in Germany for only a few days at a time a few days a year then the chances of meeting and being recognized by the same inspection team are extremely slim so you would save money in the long run.

[Optimist]

Myrrh, I have some sympathy with you foreigner visiting Germany, and as the incident has had an effect on you. It is always difficult to be sure that one is not infringing a rule.

My experience in Germany seems to be very different to yours. , so I'm writing a little so as not to put people off. At Frankfurt Airport rail station there are sufficient ticket machines, in the concourse before you go down to the platforms, plus one or two machines on each platform and my problem has been that if I show the slightest hesitation a native German will come up to me offering to help. The ticket inspectors on that stretch of line are more than used to foreigners landing and thinking they can get away with not paying, so I suspect your response really did not amuse them. I'm not sure why you think they should have let you off. You say they were well versed in the routine: well, it is their job. My impression is that in Germany, more than the UK, being a freeloader is almost tantamount to disrepecting the nation.

I have over the years unintentionally infringed various rules in Germany, and have found the opposite to you. Always the officials have been firm and polite, and usually have let me off, after I have shown contrition. In fact, I always come away feeling I really want to keep to the rules. Unlike in the UK where I experience sarcasm and unhelpfulness and come away seething.

I think the key to the problems you had might be that, as you say, you wanted to see how far you could push the issue. This really doesn't go down well in Germany, whereas in the UK the Police etc almost expect that type of response.

If it were me, I would pay the fine since I had committed an offence.

I'm currently awaiting a speeding fine (for doing over 60 km on a three lane dual carriageway! I will pay it when it comes.

I very often see ticket inspectors on trains, including U and S Bahn (U and S bahn about 30% of the days when I use them) so I'm not sure if it would save money in the long run. I think a day card is around 10 euros in many cities, and the on the spot fine is 60 euros (if I remember right) so for me it's cheaper to buy a ticket, apart from the shame

Sorry you had a bad experience

Cheers.

[Maila]

When I was in Germany last year, I did a lot of traveling by train and my experience was that ticket checks were very frequent. After a stop, there might be a change of guard and they might again check your ticket after the previous shift's guards having just done so. One lady blocked my way as if I was some sort of a criminal. I needed to get off quick and a guard had just checked my ticket earlier but she thought I was trying to evade paying for a ticket. She checked mine and matter-of-factly said danke.

Mostly they were just robotic and efficient (I wanted to say rude and unfriendly). They were less than helpful in some other scenarios as well.

For future travelers: I wouldn't try to dodge a ticket on German rail. No major complaints against them though. But they don't let tourists or first-timers let off with the excuse that they didn't know the rules (which is tough since the tickets don't exactly make clear to a non-native that they're the right tickets).

[SwingerLover]

So when I saw that there was a train waiting to go to Frankfurt train station I jumped on it intending to buy a ticket when I got to Frankfurt.So it wasn't your intent to obtain transportation by fraud? Then there was no crime because you lacked intent!


She now said that there was no alternative but to go to the police and there was a police station in the train station.And why did you go with them? Why didn't you just leave them standing there? What do you think they would have done? Drag you down to the police station by force and in doing so commiting the crimes of kidnapping and coercion? Remember that those were not policemen, but regular people.


Once we had got to the police station and they had presented me to a police officer, the three inspectors were keen to get away but I deliberately tried to detain them as much as possible by saying that I did not understand the charge and asking them to re-explain what the position was. However eventually they said that they had to go. They had done enough in their minds to secure the 40 euro fine and so had to rush back to catch the next person.

Or they wanted to get out before you got the idea to file a charge of coercion against THEM.


The police officer was a bit sympathetic. He had probably seen countless cases like this where some unwitting tourist new to Germany gets stung as soon as they enter the country and have to pay a massive fine. He said that he did not work for the railway company but was mediating. I had not yet committed a criminal offence however if I did not pay within 30 (or was It 40?) days then it would be logged then as a criminal offence.That's Bullshit. If it wasn't a criminal offence before, then it will not become one just because you don't pay the fine. If filing a charge is dependent on whether you pay a fine or not, then that's blackmail. Extortion. Maybe another reason why they wanted to get out of there so fast and leave you in the able hands of the police.

And when the police officer 'was a bit sympathetic', then that implies to me that the police are inclined to let the matter drop because they have better things to do then play cashier for a railway 'Hitlerette' (as you so eloquently put it).


I am concerned that I might be barred from Germany when I next visit as my next trip would be after the deadline when I should have paid the fine. They might check my passport against their computer system and if there is a crime logged there then refuse me entry. I probably couldn't pay the fine then and there at the airport, because they would not have the paperwork or the means to process the fine payment so there would be no alternative but to get back on the next available flight back to the UK.You cannot be barred if you have an EU passport. They cannot put you back on a plane back to the UK either. Worst that could happen is that they arrest you, provided that you actually committed a crime. If so, then check if the arrest warrant is properly signed by a judge. If not, then tell them to take a hike.


As a tourist you are at a disadvantage in not being in a position like a native to know what the exact rules are.And this will ALWAYS work in your favour! If you can get them to believe that you didn't know the rules, then there is no basis for punishment. If you don't know that you are committing an infraction, then you lack INTENT. No intent, no punishment. And if it isn't a crime, (like obtaining transportation by fraud would be) but only a misdemeanor, then you can most likely forget about it anyway, since the respective law doesn't apply anymore in most cases.

Here's a thought: Wear a sign or shirt that says "Ich fahre schwarz!" or "I'm not paying for travelling by train! Then the 'fraud' part is gone right from the start. Worst that could happen is that a conductor requests that you leave the train at the next station. (Or pay the regular fee.) But no crime will be committed, because you didn't try to sneak in covertly and had no intent to mislead anybody. Hence: no crime. (This thing had already been shown on German TV years ago.).


One advantage that I have is that I have two UK passports which I am allowed to have by the authorities because I do a lot of travelling as part of my job. I plan to now use the second passport which has a different serial number on any future travel to Germany. It may not make much difference because of course it is the same name and same face in the photo on the passport.So what's the problem? Use the 2nd passport and no one will notice. Since they will use a computer anyway, I seriously doubt that the system will recognize the 2 passports as the travel documents for the same man. (But naturally there are no guarantees that someone doesn't get the idea of punshing in the name manually.).


Going forward whenever I travel to Germany in the future I will always buy a ticket in advance. However I know that on most visits to Germany in the past I have made many train journeys and never seen a single ticket inspector. Given that scenario some may be tempted to never buy a ticket but just to pay the on-the-spot fine on the few occasions that they are caught. If you are in Germany for only a few days at a time a few days a year then the chances of meeting and being recognized by the same inspection team are extremely slim so you would save money in the long run. That might just work out fine in the long run.


I'm currently awaiting a speeding fine (for doing over 60 km on a three lane dual carriageway! I will pay it when it comes.That would be quite a stupid thing to do, since any "Bugeldbescheid" for a traffic violation, based on the "Gesetz ber die Ordnungswidrigkeiten" (= Law about the misdemeanor offences), is not valid anymore since NOV 29th 2007!

Anybody who pays any such fine anymore is either stupid or ignorant of German law! (And usually in case of foreigners, it's automatically the latter.) I already dodged one fine back in NOV 2014; it took 3 letters, but I never heard from them since. I also got blitzed (flashed) again when driving home from SG Reichelsheim on APR 18th, so far writing just once was sufficient. Whether a 2nd or 3rd letter will become necessary will depend on the ignorance or intelligence of the BureauKrauts who work the case. I will definitely not pay! And they will definitely NOT enforce, unless they want to go to jail themselves!

Read the law carefully, especially §5, and if necessary do some more research on the internet on the subject matter! http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/owig_1968/index.html.

[Optimist]

SL, as you say, not being German I am not familiar with German law, and therefore tend to take the easy option. What you say might explain why on two occasions I have been blitzed and did not receive a letter from the authorities demanding payment of a fine.

[Myrrh]

So it wasn't your intent to obtain transportation by fraud? Then there was no crime because you lacked intent!

And why did you go with them? Why didn't you just leave them standing there? What do you think they would have done? Drag you down to the police station by force and in doing so commiting the crimes of kidnapping and coercion? Remember that those were not policemen, but regular people. These are employees of the train company and just like employees in any shop they are entitled to use 'reasonable' force to restrain anyone who they think is trying to steal from the company by attempting to get away without paying after having used a service. Once you have travelled any distance on a train then you have used the service just like anyone who has walked into an internet cafe and started surfing the net has used the service.

Anyone who travels on the train first without paying could claim that they did not intend to avoid the fare and were going to pay for it once they were on the train or afterwards. However the railway company can reasonably presume that you had intended to avoid the fare and take you to court whereupon you would have to convince the judge / magistrate that this presumption is incorrect. By paying an on the spot fine you avoid the lottery of the judge's decision.



That's Bullshit. If it wasn't a criminal offence before, then it will not become one just because you don't pay the fine. If filing a charge is dependent on whether you pay a fine or not, then that's blackmail. Extortion. I would tend to believe the policeman if he said that the matter would be regarded as a criminal offence to not pay the fine because then the presumption is that it was not just a mistake on your part but wilful intent to avoid paying the fare (which has now been replaced by a subsequent fine). However I would have thought for the criminal offence to be logged in the records then they would have to summons me to attend court for the court official to adjudicate. But how can they do that when they don't have my address? No judge would be happy passing sentence if the defendant has not been given the opportunity to attend and give his side of the story. That fine is just going to stay on the computer system gathering dust until someone decides after many years to delete it because they don't know if or when I am going to come back to Germany to pay it.


You cannot be barred if you have an EU passport. They cannot put you back on a plane back to the UK either. Worst that could happen is that they arrest you, provided that you actually committed a crime. If so, then check if the arrest warrant is properly signed by a judge. If not, then tell them to take a hike.In retrospect now I think that yes I am worrying unnecessarily on this score. You're right, they can't put any criminal offences / arrest warrants on the passport computer system because it is not an offence until I had my day in court and was found guilty or if the judge ruled in my absence when court attendance papers had been properly served and I failed to turn up. How can these papers be properly served when they don't have my address.

Strangely the policeman did not ask for my address in the UK. He did ask for it in Germany and the weary look on his face when I told him that I had just arrived in Germany and so could he let me know if there was a bureau in the station where I could find a hotel, was a joy to behold.

If anyone who arrived in Germany on a flight from the UK was refused entry by some passport flatfoot and had to bear the bill for a return flight back home over a 40 euro railway fine then we would have heard about it by now, big time. Mr. Cameron doesn't need any more excuses to give Angela Merkin why the UK should no longer be a part of the EU!


And this will ALWAYS work in your favour! If you can get them to believe that you didn't know the rules, then there is no basis for punishment. If you don't know that you are committing an infraction, then you lack INTENT. No intent, no punishment. And that is my gripe with continental travel systems in general, not just with the German one. In the UK there are barriers to prevent you from getting on the train without paying or attendants to ask you for your ticket before they let you on to the platform. There are also signs, albeit in English only, making it clear that to travel without a valid ticket is an offence and also stating what the fine is if you are caught without a valid ticket. This strengthens the train company's case although a tourist could claim that they did not understand the signs. Virtually all stations have a ticket office which is open for most of the time and / or attendants to help travellers who may not be familiar with the station or the transport system.

Compare this with Germany where on a German bank holiday the main ticket office for Frankfurt was closed for the entire day, totally unheard of in the UK; most stations had one or two ticket machines compared to many stations in UK where there are 4 or even up to 30 at one station; they have this strange arrangement whereby you get a ticket from one machine and then have to find another machine to validate it before you can use the ticket and you get fined if you don't know that you have to do this.

Most of all, in the UK tourists are treated sympathetically and given the benefit of the doubt, like visitors to your home who don't realise that they need to wipe their boots on the mat before they enter your house. You know that they will not be visiting you that often so you tolerate them. They are not treated as easy pickings to make money out of because of their lack of knowledge of how the system works.

[Eszpresszo]

Hi,

This is my first post, and I think this is the logical place to post this question (I will not argue about the train system in Germany. Worked fine for me when I lived there.).

Can anyone direct me to some German language websites for mongering activities? Its been a few years but I can across a bunch of German websites with listings for clubs, hobby working girls, brothels, escorts and related subjects. My trip to Germany was postponed, and lost track of those sites. I can speak a bit of German still, though I am bit rusty, not having lived there since 1980 and not getting to visit very often. In any case, I would appreciate any links to websites on mongering in Europe (especially Germany and adjacent countries) in any language. However, logic would tell us that the natives know a lot more than those of us who don't live there.

Thanks!

[Hessen Bub]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=1742597&viewfull=1#post1742597

Take a look here.

HB.

[Willi69]

Can anyone direct me to some German language websites for mongering activities?
Its been a few years but I can across a bunch of German websites with listings for clubs, hobby working girls, brothels, escorts and related subjects.A list with nearly 2300 different domains in the area of NRW:

http://www.eisbaerenforum.com/forum/showthread.php?259-Linkliste-NRW

[Big Ass Eater]

I'm a big fan of German pornstars. Some of them also work as escorts. One such is Vanessa Cool, a busty and horny MILF who can be found on several pornsites. I'd love to have info on more available pornstars. Thanks for your help.

[RacShack]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1089-General-Info&p=1742597&viewfull=1#post1742597

Take a look here.

HB.Anybody on the ground, I'm trying to figure out, my bank wants $1,047.51 for 900 euros, if buy in Germany I think 1000 USA Would get me 900 Euros, am I correct and think I'm better off buying when their? Ex exchange at 909.00 today for 1000, any help would be great!

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[Eszpresszo]

So has anyone ever used Air BnB for lodging in Germany? Aside from the fact that it is economical, I have found that it offers some options that are close to the places you might want to patronize. Using Google maps, I've been able to locate some FFK clubs I'd be interested in checking out, but one thing seems to be obvious. They tend to be in out of the way places, often near industrial zones, away from the center. Yet not away from residential areas. Its not like Bochum and Essen have big tourist attractions that you need to be close to.

The interesting thing about AirBnB is that the rooms listed usually have a profile of the "gastgeber", who usually mention how they will be helpful and show you around. Typically, there are reviews of the place and the hosts, usually detailing how helpful they were in showing their guests around. Not sure if they want to show me to the local brothels, though. Should I be asked, "What brings you to the NRW? We don't get many tourists here" my standard reply will be "I'm visiting an old friend nearby, he lives in this neighborhood with his family though, and they don't have much room. " or "I was supposed to sleep on my friend's couch. But, he got into a fight with his wife, and now he has to sleep on the couch. " Feedback and experiences with AirBnB would be appreciated.

[MayKarl]

Hello there,

I'm new on these site and for this subject.

So I will ask what experience did you have made in German clubs and what will you say me where I should stay for first time?

Thanks a lot.

[Dark Vader]

Hello there,

I'm new on these site and for this subject.

So I will ask what experience did you have made in German clubs and what will you say me where I should stay for first time?

Thanks a lot.Hi.

Very difficult to respond to such a broad question as this as it depends what you like, what your budget is and whether you will have your own transport or will need to rely on public transport.

For example, if you want one to one action with really pretty girls then you are best off going to a FKK or Sauna Club these can be found all over Germany but there are a number of good ones in the Frankfurt area. Check the separate FKK thread. If you want group action then probably a gang bang club or Partytreff may suit you better. There is a separate thread for these as well and a number of these clubs can be found in the NRW region of Germany. If you want bareback (also known as AO) then again check out the AO thread.

So in summary, be more specific about what you want and you will get better advice. Also, read up more on the other German threads and use the "search" function and you will probably find that your question (s) have been asked and answered before.

DV.

[MagretCanard]

Over here in good catholic Ireland, the main mobile phone carriers block a lot of sites that are known to be related to mongering and such like.

So if I bring my cell phone with me but use roaming I run the risk of sites such as these being blocked also, its a bit late when you go into the club and use the gee wi fi to do the final check of the runners and riders.

I want to write some reports for here when I get back so the website access would be useful for matching names to boobs / bums etc.

Can you buy an unregistered SIM in Germany and just load it up with credit?

Thanks

[Dark Vader]

Over here in good catholic Ireland, the main mobile phone carriers block a lot of sites that are known to be related to mongering and such like.

So if I bring my cell phone with me but use roaming I run the risk of sites such as these being blocked also, its a bit late when you go into the club and use the gee wi fi to do the final check of the runners and riders.

I want to write some reports for here when I get back so the website access would be useful for matching names to boobs / bums etc.

Can you buy an unregistered SIM in Germany and just load it up with credit?

ThanksYou will need to present ID to buy a SIM in Germany but why not just us aVPN with your Irish SIM?

[PussyLiccker]

I think when you are roaming, you are using another carrier's signal, so in Germany it shouldn't be blocked. I don't know if you've tried this, but maybe a proxy could unblock the sites on the catholic carriers in Ireland. LOL.

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[Eszpresszo]

Hey guys,

I need some suggestions and some different opinions. I am probably going to Germany in early October (first trip there since 1998.) Now I would like some opinions on the best cities and venues for certain categories of mongering. And yes, I have read through the various threads about different locations and that has not only educated me quite a bit, but also resulted in some more questions.

A bit of info about myself. I'm 57, recently divorced from a much younger Hungarian hottie (a result of my earlier ventures in womanizing in Europe). I studied in Heidelberg in 1980 (semester abroad program), and my roommate was a German guy. I spoke decent conversational German when I left and can still get around Deutschland with confidence. My mongering experience is limited to the Laufhaus scene of Frankfurt (which I admit is my least favorite city in all of Europe). Over 30 years ago my German roommate and I parted, but thanks to that crazy. Innovation called the internet, we have made contact again. I am invited to visit him and his Frau in Berlin (Kreuzberg no less). This trip could last for one or two weeks. Lots of time for mongering adventures. And since I don't want to wear out my welcome, even if they have a couch for me to crash on, it would be polite to get out of of their hair. Out of town. And on the prowl.

Now I know the situation with Berlin. According to some, Its probably not the best place for mongering. A Dutch monger acquaintance was quick to point out Berlin sauna clubs were nothing on the level of NRW (FYI. He also discourages any ideas of mongering in Holland, which he says is horribly inferior to NRW. He won't monger at home). But, after some research it seems Berlin has a plethora of sexual outlets that other cities tend to lack. A huge street hooker scene, traditional brothels on different scales and price ranges, and sex kinos. Not to mention, its a stone's throw from Poland (which is going to be mongering side trip. I love beautiful Polish women.) That said, can we discuss the best venues and locations in Germany for the things that Berlin is deficient in?

Category one. The most BANG for your buck. I'm talking about the flatrate clubs. The whole idea intrigues me more than any other type of sex venue. Pay your entry fee, put you wallet away and spend the day there. Most accounts of the Berlin partytreff scene suggests it leaves a lot to be desired. That said: what are you suggestions for the best Flatrate / Pashau clubs in Germany?

Category two. The best BANG for your buck. We're talking FKK now. I've read enough about Artemis to be put off by the prospect. I am interested in where in Germany the best girls can be found in the FKK realm, in terms of both looks and service. I am interested in clubs where it is worthwhile to pay up for really hot chicks who deliver the goods.

Category three. Most variety for your buck. We're talking ethnicity here. I would like to have a shot at Middle Eastern or Asian girls. I expect Berlin might be good for that, but maybe not. Any locations, be it club, Laufhaus or RLD, where I can find an exotic selection of young flesh?

Perhaps that is a lot to chew on, but the whole forum and most of with limited or no experience will benefit from this. So, please chime in with your suggestions, caveats, red flags and favorites. Again, I am experienced at traveling in Germany (which has only gotten easier over three decades), can speak some basic German, and I am a adventurous traveler by nature. I look forward to your thoughts!

[SwingerLover]

Category three. Most variety for your buck. We're talking ethnicity here. I would like to have a shot at Middle Eastern or Asian girls. I expect Berlin might be good for that, but maybe not. Any locations, be it club, Laufhaus or RLD, where I can find an exotic selection of young flesh?Can't help you much there, what little I can contribute is this:

1. A big variety of ethnicities should still be available in the Laufhauses in Frankfurt. Which city you don't like. Understandably.

2. I can only sing the old song: The biggest variety regading everything can be found in NRW, between the greater Cologne region and the Ruhrgebiet. There's also a big Japanese community in the Neuss/Düsseldorf Region, with an appropriately high number of such working girls.

3. Advertising sites are flodded lately with ads from those cuties: http://haus-butterfly.de/.

Also search for "Asia" on: http://www.6relax.de/.

[Optimist]

Espresso.

Really it all depends on you, your tastes, and chance.

Some thoughts.

1. Cheapest are pauschalclubs, but I don't think they'll have the requisite looks. A gangbang event is excellent value. Street and laufhaus workers can be also cheap but service can be variable and you can waste a lot of time. I found the Berlin street scene excellent but there have also been very negative reports.

2. Best sex service levels can surprisingly often be found in the 30 euro per half hour red carpet clubs in the Ruhr. Usually AO but you can use condom.

3. Best looking girls tend to be in the big tourist clubs such as Artemis, Palace, and Golden Time if you are looking for model porn types, but they tend not to fit your age criteria. If you are looking for slim gazelles then it is hit and miss in any decent size club.

4. Best overall experience, including looks, intelligence, talking, sex, will be in an FKK. My experience is limited, but my recent visit to Living Room was good. Sharks is currently highly regarded. If you spend more than a day in one club you will find you start to get more for your money.

5 If ethnicity is important then choose from adverts on ladies.de or 6relax and similar websites. Be aware that many many of the Asian pictures are fakes, and that they will charge more than the going rate (if you go to leave then they will negotiate often to below the going rate. A weird business approach).

Your best option is to choose an area and then aim to sample several options until one suits you.There is no perfect place, just one that has a worker who suits you on the day.

[JonSmith190]

Gentlemen. As a member of other site I was extremely pleased to find this site. I had no idea it existed. Your knowledge and expertise has taken me from wondering how to find girls in Germany to realizing that hobbying over there is legal and I have tons of options! Wow, what a wonderful country, well except the Nazi part.

Here is my situation and was hoping for some advice and conversation. I arrive 20 Sept Sunday and return 24 Sept Thursday so I have four days on the ground. However, I know I have some work obligations and will have to manage my time well. Please consider the day of the week in your responses if you have better ideas because its a Sunday, Wednesday, etc.

20/09/2015 - I arrive in Frankfurt and have the entire first day to acclimate myself with my surroundings and no work except a dinner that evening. After some research I believe I should head to an FKK Club. My plan is to hit FKK Mainhatten on the first day. I plan on arriving around 1 pm and staying as long as I can handle or until I have to leave. Here are my questions about day 1:

1. Is FKK a good place to start?

2. Is FKK Mainhatten the place to go? I have read about others, but its location in proximity to the city and the fairly decent reviews seem to justify this place. I have no problem getting on a short train ride if necessary if you believe I should go somewhere else.

3. Any first timer tips besides what I have gathered from this site and some others? Particularly on behavior in the FKK. Do you play it cool and watch? Do you have some beers and catch a buzz or stay sober? How do I make sure I am getting a girl that BBBJ or FK if that's what I desire?

4. I know there is no "dress code" but I want to look decent. Are jeans and nice shirt / sport coat okay or overkill? What do you suggest about wardrobe here and in general in Germany?

21/09/2015 - I have work all day and was planning on hitting RLD before hitting the town with colleagues. I have visited RLD in Amsterdam so am familiar with the subject, but Germany seems different in that they are four. Five story buildings rather than first floor apts. Questions about day 2:

1. I have read many of RLD's are shady and not worth it. Where would you suggest I go?

2. I like DFK and BBBJ (who doesn't). Any places I can be assured I get this?

3. I have read about places that you play a flat fee and can have as much fun as you want? Is this accurate? If so, is this a good suggestion rather than RLD? Or, is it same thing?

4. Any other helpful tips? Should I frequent another FKK instead or another establishment.

22/09/2015 - I will be traveling from Frankfurt to Munich this day after meetings. I have heard Frankfurt is a great place and Munich is so. So. My plan depending on arrival time is to head to FKK Sunshine this evening. Questions for day 3:

1. Is Sunshine the place to go?

2. Any other tips for Munich.

23/09/2015 - I will be attending Oktoberfest so not sure what my schedule is like. But, since this is my last day I figured I need to have some fun. Questions for day 4:

1. How long do you generally stay at Oktoberfest? We are in one of these tents so its a large event with colleagues, but can I or should I disappear at some point to visit some lady (ies)?

2. Is a repeat of the FKK Sunshine in order? If not, where do you suggest I go or do?

I cannot thank the creators of this board enough and all of you for helping this horny man navigate through this seemingly amazing sexual paradise known as Germany. Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice and tips and look forward to hearing from all of you. If any of you are around Frankfurt or Munich and would like to accompany this traveler to some of these spots as a guide, or if you are a newbie like me and want to team up as we embark on this mission, let me know. It would be good to have a partner in crime! Be well, be safe.

[Eszpresszo]

Gentlemen. As a member of other site I was extremely pleased to find this site. I had no idea it existed. Your knowledge and expertise has taken me from wondering how to find girls in Germany to realizing that hobbying over there is legal and I have tons of options! Wow, what a wonderful country, well except the Nazi part.

21/09/2015 - I have work all day and was planning on hitting RLD before hitting the town with colleagues. I have visited RLD in Amsterdam so am familiar with the subject, but Germany seems different in that they are four. Five story buildings rather than first floor apts. Questions about day 2:


22/09/2015 - I will be traveling from Frankfurt to Munich this day after meetings. I have heard Frankfurt is a great place and Munich is so. So. My plan depending on arrival time is to head to FKK Sunshine this evening. Questions for day 3:

2. Any other tips for Munich.

23/09/2015 - I will be attending Oktoberfest so not sure what my schedule is like. But, since this is my last day I figured I need to have some fun. Questions for day 4:

1. How long do you generally stay at Oktoberfest? We are in one of these tents so its a large event with colleagues, but can I or should I disappear at some point to visit some lady (ies)?As someone who has lived in Germany but has limited mongering experience, I can answer some of your questions, not related to mongering.

First off, yes Germany is a wonderful country for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with sex. But don't go around talking about Nazis if you want to make friends there.

Can't say I've hobbied in the Netherlands, but if you have it should be uphill once you are in Germany. A Dutch monger I know of has this advice regarding his homeland:

"Please don't go to Holland / The Netherlands for mongering. The punter scene is pretty much dead. Has been for more than 10-15 years already. Windowshopping is a huge rip-off and you'd only get a bad aftertaste of mongering when you go to window hookers. For the most part only drunk English and other tourists go to these kind of places. Also, only eastern European (Romanian / Bulgarian / Turkish / Moldavian) girls. The white skinned kind girls from Russia / Ukraine / Poland / Holland are nowhere to be found any longer in Holland. Your pretty much only a walking ATM machine and can expect to receive that kind of service too. Only upselling and upselling. 20 minutes max for 50 euros (65 bucks) and they will not even take off their top and will prolly only do their slip to the side for penetration. "No touch", is what they like to say. O / see you have good girls too but if you want a good time better not to monger in Holland but in the hooker capital of Europe: NRW / Hessen Germany (FKK saunaclubs). ".

So says an experienced monger. I always wanted to share his opinion on this forum, so pardon me if it went off topic.

Frankfurt? A nice city? If you want to visit Europe's version of Dallas, perhaps. To its credit, Frankfurt has its own "laufhaus" scene that is probably the biggest in Germany and just a few blocks from the central station. This is my experience with *mongering in Germany. Again, my Dutch comrade explains it best:

"Inside information: Germans and dutch guys only go watch these laufhuser, private clubs, street scene for entertainment, not necessarily to fugg. Service is crapp for the most part. 30,00 per session (sucking only with condom). Fast, fast, fast. Or as the Romanian girls tend to say that are 80% of all hoors in hoormany / *many: hajde, hajde, hajde. What else is there to do, well Gang bangs (with or without protection: flatrate for 69,99 for the whole day with Romanian). ".

All said, Frankfurt is logistically good for a base or arrival point. But, it can be depressing from a visitors viewpoint, especially if you are stuck there and are trying to leave on a standby ticket (happened to me in 1980 and the town left me with a bad taste). And while the Laufhaus scene is fun for a quickie, and a great side trip if you have a modest layover at FRA. But I cannot say it is a good value.

Munich? I have tried to have fun in Munich on more than one occasion and all I can say is that it is overrated. Oktoberfest? Very disappointing for me. I spend less than two hours at the place, because it was raining steadily the whole time I was in Munich. It was the low point of an otherwise epic journey through Europe in my youth. Of course, your mileage may vary, but be aware it isn't like you see in the commercials that are contrived on Madison Avenue. My advice for Munich is to have a Plan be. Or as a pair of Dutch guys told me on the plane to Amsterdam on my first trip to Europe (circa 1978) "Munich? Why? Munich is shit! Go to Berlin. Go to Hamburg. But, don't go to Munich. " These two Dutch punks were incredulous that I would want to go there. After I finally got to visit Hamburg, two decades later, I understood what they were talking about (it was there that I met my own personal Annette Schwartz, so to speak).

I'm sure others can be more specific about the mongering scene, whereas I can offer you only caveats at this point, and sage advice from Dutch acquaintances. Myself, I am going to Berlin in October, where I will visit my old roommate who studied with me in Heidelberg way back in 1980. Berlin doesn't seem to get much respect but I think a lot of people aren't looking at it too hard. I am getting the impression that what is visible on this forum is just the tip of the iceberg. Hopefully, I will be able to confirm that later in the year.

[Optimist]

Frankfurt. I find it a very interesting city with lots of contrasts I have been to the laufhauses maybe 30 times and it's years since I had bad service. Choose your girl carefully and you will get excellent service, sometimes even including a beer for free. Just don't let on you are a tourist.Most of the customers are German, beyond any shadow of a doubt

Munich is one of the most expensive places in Germany for mongering.

Germany over Netherlands, no contest.

As for the Nazi past, just remember Germany has really searched its soul deeply in a way no other country has. Compare for example to the USA and Jim Crow laws.

[JonSmith190]

As someone who has lived in Germany but has limited mongering experience, I can answer some of your questions, not related to mongering.

First off, yes Germany is a wonderful country for a lot of reasons that have nothing to do with sex. But don't go around talking about Nazis if you want to make friends there.

Can't say I've hobbied in the Netherlands, but if you have it should be uphill once you are in Germany. A Dutch monger I know of has this advice regarding his homeland:

"Please don't go to Holland / The Netherlands for mongering. The punter scene is pretty much dead. Has been for more than 10-15 years already. Windowshopping is a huge rip-off and you'd only get a bad aftertaste of mongering when you go to window hookers. For the most part only drunk English and other tourists go to these kind of places. Also, only eastern European (Romanian / Bulgarian / Turkish / Moldavian) girls. The white skinned kind girls from Russia / Ukraine / Poland / Holland are nowhere to be found any longer in Holland. Your pretty much only a walking ATM machine and can expect to receive that kind of service too. Only upselling and upselling. 20 minutes max for 50 euros (65 bucks) and they will not even take off their top and will prolly only do their slip to the side for penetration. "No touch", is what they like to say. O / see you have good girls too but if you want a good time better not to monger in Holland but in the hooker capital of Europe: NRW / Hessen Germany (FKK saunaclubs). ".

So says an experienced monger. I always wanted to share his opinion on this forum, so pardon me if it went off topic..Okay, okay. The and word was not meant to offend, just a bad attempt at humor. Thank you for the feedback. I have now found out Stuttgart is in play and Frankfurt is out.

As far as Holland, yes your monger friend is right. It's window shopping and we (I) was just an ATM machine for them. However, it was my first RLD experience and no one can take that away from me.

So, should I try to FKK? Any tips?

[SvenFKK]

I arrive 20 Sept Sunday and return 24 Sept Thursday so I have four days on the ground.Go to Dietzenbach. Earlier in the day is probably better since there will be fewer punters. Address is Voltastraße 4 in Dietzenbach. Here, you pay EUR 40 entry and EUR 30 per session. EUR 30 includes everything. Sessions are 30 minutes. All girls do DFK and BBBJ. I believe all, certainly almost all, do CIM. Some might swallow if you are lucky. Most of the girls will do AO (vaginal sex without condom). I don't know if any do anal sex without condom. Several do anal sex (with condom), whether or not they also do AO. Looks, of course, are a matter of taste, but in terms of service this is by far the best value for money in the Frankfurt area. See reports on Dietzenbach in the FKK Clubs subforum.

There are at least three places in or near Frankfurt where you pay about EUR 100 and can stay all day and fuck as much as you want. This is usually referred to as a Partytreff (see the corresponding subforum), though some claim to be swinger clubs. There are real swinger clubs where you would pay about the same as a single man, but that can be hit and miss. Check out reports on Maxi Swing, Swing-In Rodgau, and Treff 188. I've been only to Maxi Swing and was disappointed. (There are, or at least were, good Partytreffs in North Rhine-Westphalia, a couple of hundred km away. Yes, I have paid EUR 100 or whatever, stayed all day, and came 13 times. And they were good sessions, most with two young girls at the same time. But most Partytreffs are more about quantity than quality. Unless you come much more than 4 times, Dietzenbach is about the same price and much better quality.).

Avoid the RLD.

An FKK club might have better facilities and so on, and depending on taste better-looking girls, and probably many more girls, but will be much more expensive. The quality of the sessions will not be better than Dietzenbach. If you have the money and want a sensory overload, do it. My guess is that if you try both you will go back to Dietzenbach on the third and fourth days.

My favourites at Dietzenbach (see my reports) are Tina, Ina, and Milena. Milena has rimmed me several times.

Another option are erotic-massage places. You will pay about 100 for an hour and there will probably be no sex. Don't ask for it. Some girls might offer it, at a probably substantial price. Officially there is no sex, so this is off the record. Standard programme is massage (both nude) and hand job. You can touch the girl. With many, DATY is an option. Why do it? You get the girl's undivided attention for an hour. COB is standard (usually as part of "Spanish", I. E. Titfuck).

Have fun!

[Myrrh]

Go to Dietzenbach. EUR 30 includes everything. Sessions are 30 minutes. All girls do DFK and BBBJ. I believe all, certainly almost all, do CIM. Some might swallow if you are lucky. Most of the girls will do AO (vaginal sex without condom). I don't know if any do anal sex without condom. Several do anal sex (with condom), whether or not they also do AO.

Avoid the RLD.

My favourites at Dietzenbach (see my reports) are Tina, Ina, and Milena. Milena has rimmed me several times.A great endorsement for Dietz but I but beg to qualify some of your comments.

30 euros includes everything that the girl says that she normally does like anal, CIM, bareback and so on. If you wanted to do a service that she does not normally do like lesbian show or rimming then she is entitled to quote you an extra charge for that.

The girls tend to do LFK unless you try and turn it into DFK. Next to none of the girls swallow. Each time I have seen a girl give Oral to completion on a couch she always either discreetly empties the load into a tissue or rushes to the nearest bin to spit it all out. None of the girls I have been with, and I have been with the majority of the AO girls, were prepared to do rimming.

It appears that there is a lot that these girls will do but they have their limits as to what they will tolerate for money. They are happy for loads of sperm to be injected into their pussies by different men during the course of the day (they are prepared to accept the health risk) but don't find the taste of sperm or assholes pleasant.

The girls have told me on many occasions that only one girl, Andrea, does anal and then strictly only with a condom. I tried this service with her once and it was extremely forgettable. The health inspectors have been round to all of these clubs to let them know that they should stop the practice of AO anal even if they carry on doing AO vaginal so all the girls know that it is particularly risky and so none of the girls in these clubs are prepared to do it now according to common knowledge.

I have asked several of the AO girls for anal, even offering extra money, but they totally refuse even though I have been with them several times.

As for Sven's favorites it would be fair to say that they are hardly ever there. On several visits to the club I have only seen them on a couple of occasions and Ina only works one day a week.

[Myrrh]

My ideal session would probably involve two girls giving me a double blow, rimming my ass and then swallowing my cum. If they could cum share then that would be even more ideal.

However I am finding it extremely difficult to find two or even one girl in Germany who are willing to do these kind of services for a reasonable cost.

In the interests of saving costs I am ruling out the normal FKKs. So I am looking at the Red Carpet Clubs or the individual providers.

However even though I have had several two girl sessions with RTC girls none of them want to rim ass only going as far south as your balls. They are not even interested in the de-militarised zone between your ass hole and your balls.

Also if I ask two girls to give me a double blow they will refuse to both lick the shaft together. It will just be a case of one licking the balls whilst the other the shaft.

I have found many, many girls wiling to bareback but none who are happy to swallow cum. They always spit it out when they think you are not looking. The only time this has happened to me has been in gangbangs with porn stars.

I have tried searching on the internet for individual providers but hardly any mention any details about rimming, swallowing or double blow job.

I believe the terms and abbreviations for rimming and swallowing are:

Zungenanal (ZA) and Schluken (no abbreviations?

Can anyone confirm?

I prize these services more highly than bareback, anal, lesbian show, filming and so on but they are proving hard to find.

Escorts rarely list rimming and swallowing and if they do then it will only be the super escorts whose services start at 100 euros or above for the hour.

Unless you speak German then it is kind of difficult to make them understand over the phone what you want when calling individual providers.

Does anyone know of any red carpet club girls or individual providers who provide rimming and swallowing for a reasonable price? Or are happy to do a proper two girl blow job perhaps with a lesbian show?

I am in Dusseldorf right now until Saturday when I will probably move on to Frankfurt so would appreciate any tips here.

[SvenFKK]

30 euros includes everything that the girl says that she normally does like anal, CIM, bareback and so on. If you wanted to do a service that she does not normally do like lesbian show or rimming then she is entitled to quote you an extra charge for that.
OK. However, I have never paid extra for anything. OK, I enjoyed just their normal services. I have been rimmed by Milena several times. It might be that she doesn't do it with everyone. She has never asked for extra money and has been happy to do it for so long that I would tell her to stop so that there would be time for other stuff.



The girls tend to do LFK unless you try and turn it into DFK.
OK, perhaps, but this is not a problem.



Next to none of the girls swallow.
Ina does deep throat. Really deep. If you come at the right time, she doesn't have a choice.



None of the girls I have been with, and I have been with the majority of the AO girls, were prepared to do rimming.
Milena has rimmed me several times. She is not an AO girl. She is not young (I don't care) and is really thin and small tits (not my type, but the service makes up for it).



The girls have told me on many occasions that only one girl, Andrea, does anal and then strictly only with a condom.
Yes, Andrea does anal with a condom. In the past, some of the AO girls have done anal (but, I assume, with condom).



As for Sven's favorites it would be fair to say that they are hardly ever there. On several visits to the club I have only seen them on a couple of occasions and Ina only works one day a week.Yes, Ina has become Thekenfrau and isn't working as much. Milena is there only during the week, not on weekends. If they are in Germany at all, Milena and Tina are usually there.

[SvenFKK]

My ideal session would probably involve two girls giving me a double blow, rimming my ass and then swallowing my cum. If they could cum share then that would be even more ideal.
I've had this many times at Partytreff Mettmann but, alas, it is no more.



However even though I have had several two girl sessions with RTC girls none of them want to rim ass only going as far south as your balls. They are not even interested in the de-militarised zone between your ass hole and your balls.
Rimming is rare. I have been rimmed by Milena at Dietzenbach many times. I don't know if she does it with everyone. She is never there on weekends.



Also if I ask two girls to give me a double blow they will refuse to both lick the shaft together. It will just be a case of one licking the balls whilst the other the shaft.
Not with me!



I have found many, many girls wiling to bareback but none who are happy to swallow cum. They always spit it out when they think you are not looking. The only time this has happened to me has been in gangbangs with porn stars.
Swallowing is almost as rare as rimming. Some girls do deep throat and if you come at the right time, they don't have a choice. Of course, much better are the girls who actually enjoy swallowing. Even rarer.



I have tried searching on the internet for individual providers but hardly any mention any details about rimming, swallowing or double blow job.
Those that do it probably don't need to advertise.



I believe the terms and abbreviations for rimming and swallowing are:

Zungenanal (ZA) and Schluken (no abbreviations?
Yes.



Escorts rarely list rimming and swallowing and if they do then it will only be the super escorts whose services start at 100 euros or above for the hour.
Some certainly will do this but, as you say, are expensive.



Unless you speak German then it is kind of difficult to make them understand over the phone what you want when calling individual providers.
Right.



Does anyone know of any red carpet club girls or individual providers who provide rimming and swallowing for a reasonable price? Or are happy to do a proper two girl blow job perhaps with a lesbian show?
For rimming, Milena at Dietzenbach. She doesn't swallow but does CIM. She fucks well too and likes being on top.

[Dark Vader]

Ina only works one day a week.Was there last week and Tina said that Ina is currently on holiday.

[SvenFKK]

Was there last week and Tina said that Ina is currently on holiday.Right. Of course, all the girls go on holiday sometimes. In contrast to not that long ago, Ina is now only one day a week working as before (when she is not on holiday) and on some of the other days is Thekenfrau.

[MaxSquatter]

http://www.thelocal.de/20150812/bitter-battle-greets-call-to-decriminalize-sex-work Hopefully this will not pass. I do not speak German so I am having trouble getting updates. Apparently a law is in place to force both prostitutes to be registered with the government and for johns to wear condoms. Anyone know from living there what is going on? Is it likely to pass? It seems to have deeply angered much of the population.

[SvenFKK]

http://www.thelocal.de/20150812/bitter-battle-greets-call-to-decriminalize-sex-work Hopefully this will not pass. I do not speak German so I am having trouble getting updates. Apparently a law is in place to force both prostitutes to be registered with the government and for johns to wear condoms. Anyone know from living there what is going on? Is it likely to pass? It seems to have deeply angered much of the population.This piece mixes several things. Much is a matter of perspective. Yes, one woman is complaining that prostitution is too restricted in Germany. On the other hand, there are few if any places where it is less restricted.

Prostitution has been legal in Germany for decades, but didn't have the same legal status as other jobs until about the year 2000. Opinions differ on whether the change was for the better. Of course, those opposed to prostitution criticize anything which doesn't ban it completely, and those in favour of it complain about remaining restrictions.

In the last couple of years, there has been talk about changing some laws. Most of the discussion is by people who don't know what they are talking about. There is a problem, of course, in that many who do know the facts don't want to speak up publicly. The requirement for condoms is one such proposed change. I think that in practice it won't be policed. What might change is that brothels won't be able to openly advertize AO. There is certainly some pressure on women to do AO who otherwise wouldn't, even though they are happy to work as prostitutes. I'm not sure whether this is a good idea. The registration would be a good idea if prostitution were more accepted, but if it is not, then probably some will want to avoid it. One can't credibly oppose registration (since all other jobs are registered, not only with the tax office) if one argues that prostitution should be a regular job. The key, though, is "should". Yes, once it is accepted as a regular job, no problem with registration, but one shouldn't put the cart before the horse.

Angered much of the population? No, not at all. Most of the population don't even know or care about the law. Since prostitution is legal in Germany, at least people can discuss it openly without fear of accusing themselves of a crime. Not many do, though.

The resolution by Amnesty International to work for making prostitution legal everywhere is a step in the right direction. Critics of prostitution haven't been credible anyway for a long time, but when they come out and criticize Amnesty International, even people who haven't followed the debare realize that their credibility is zero.

Whether discussion is a good idea, I don't know. Until recently, it was probably better not to rock the boat, since there was no chance of improving things where they are bad and one might risk tougher laws in places where it has been OK (such as happened recently in France). On the other hand, the Amnesty International campaign might encourage someone from, say, Sweden to challenge the local law. There might be hope if a court of human rights upholds the legality of prostitution. It would be more difficult now for a court not to if that meant publicly challenging Amnesty International.

There are various organizations which help prostitutes in legal battles and so on. Maybe everyone here should donate, say, 10 per cent of what he spends on mongering to such organizations.

[SwingerLover]

Most of the discussion is by people who don't know what they are talking about.This is the most balanced and most excellent report I have ever read on this matter! Regardless what anybody thinks about one issue or the other: This report should be on the front page of every newspaper in Germany!

But how about continuing any further discussion on this matter in the appropriate thread that Strikesfun had started in the AO Clubs Forum? http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3661-Any-Updates-on-the-new-law-and-the-clubs-Venus-F39.

That way the info won't be scattered all over the forum. There is already a number of repoprts on this matter in the "German FKK Clubs. Lounge and chat area" thread of the "Germany FKK Clubs" forum.

[MaxSquatter]

So if this garbage becomes law when do you guys think it will come into effect? 2016?

[Maxx]

I don't want to get political but all these "refugees" streaming into Germany wearing designer clothes after passing through like 5 or 6 other perfectly safe nations should probably be good for our hobby. Syrian pussy should be going for pretty cheap a few months from now. Time to learn a little Arabic.

[Optimist]

I don't want to get political but all these "refugees" streaming into Germany wearing designer clothes after passing through like 5 or 6 other perfectly safe nations should probably be good for our hobby. Syrian pussy should be going for pretty cheap a few months from now. Time to learn a little Arabic.It's a good idea not to get political. But you have by the use of your value laden words. So, my response is Say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here.

[The Cane]

Syrian pussy should be going for pretty cheap a few months from now. Time to learn a little Arabic.You sucky, sucky & fucky, fucky? Hahahaha!

[Maxx]

It's a good idea not to get political. But you have by the use of your value laden words. So, my response is Say it loud, say it clear, refugees are welcome here.Remember you said that a decade from now, because they aren't going to stop coming. How many will be welcomed? There's been 800,000 in just 2015! You have no idea of the implications of this.

[Optimist]

Remember you said that a decade from now, because they aren't going to stop coming. How many will be welcomed? There's been 800,000 in just 2015! You have no idea of the implications of this.I am not going to clog up the forum with a political discussion. Don't have the temerity to tell me I have no idea of the implications of what I wrote. I think we should leave this issue aside. If you want to make political contributions this is not the place.

[Myrrh]

I have come across this word, using the double dots or umlaut, several times now in advertisements for sex parties but I can't seem to find a translation or explanation anywhere of what it means.

My best guess is that it is an informal / slang German word for hot?

An example would be the party advertised in the attached photo.

Does anyone know what this word means?

[Craiova]

I have come across this word, using the double dots or umlaut, several times now in advertisements for sex parties but I can't seem to find a translation or explanation anywhere of what it means.

My best guess is that it is an informal / slang German word for hot?

An example would be the party advertised in the attached photo.

Does anyone know what this word means?HUE or in long form "Herrenueberschuss" party means on this event there is a surplus of guys compared to the present number of girls on this party. In worst case maybe five or tentimes more guys than girls. This I wouldn't call hot.

[SvenFKK]

HUE or in long form "Herrenueberschuss" party means on this event there is a surplus of guys compared to the present number of girls on this party. In worst case maybe five or tentimes more guys than girls. This I wouldn't call hot.Well, the idea is that it is hot for the girls, not necessarily for the guys. There are women who prefer there to be more men than women in a group-sex situation, for gang-bangs and so on. On the other hand, it gives some guys a chance to have some action with women who are really into it for fun which they otherwise might not get at all.

[Myrrh]

There are women who prefer there to be more men than women in a group-sex situation, for gang-bangs and so on. There may also be some men who prefer there to be more men around even though paradoxically it will mean less opportunity and more competition for them.

There is the turn on factor from seeing 'live' raw action in front of your eyes whilst you are resting or trying to get into the mood.

Also, and it may be politically incorrect to say so, but there is still the pack mentality in our psyche from the time when we used to loot, pillage and rap back in those bad old days.

[Maxx]

HUE or in long form "Herrenueberschuss" party means on this event there is a surplus of guys compared to the present number of girls on this party. In worst case maybe five or tentimes more guys than girls. This I wouldn't call hot.That's funny because I thought our word for this in the US had German origins. We call this a sausage fest!

[Christian G]

Planning a short monger trip in Germany by Ryan Air, fly on Cologne / Bonn Airport, landing at 14.30 Monday afternoon, do you think I'll find alot of traffic jam on the way for Duisburg or Gelsenkirchen-Bochum area?? Thanks in advance.

[Optimist]

Planning a short monger trip in Germany by Ryan Air, fly on Cologne / Bonn Airport, landing at 14.30 Monday afternoon, do you think I'll find alot of traffic jam on the way for Duisburg or Gelsenkirchen-Bochum area?? Thanks in advance.The autobahn through Essen is always a bit heavy going, but from Koln to Duisburg or Bochum will avoid that. Going north round Koln west is always heavy, but with five lanes each way at points, is better than it used to be.

If you get the live traffic on Google or tomtom websites for that time of day in the days before you go, you will get a good idea.

I use a live traffic satnav and think it's one of the best things I ever bought. It's saved me a lot of time by avoiding German jams.

Cheers.

[Christian G]

The autobahn through Essen is always a bit heavy going, but from Koln to Duisburg or Bochum will avoid that. Going north round Koln west is always heavy, but with five lanes each way at points, is better than it used to be.

If you get the live traffic on Google or tomtom websites for that time of day in the days before you go, you will get a good idea.

I use a live traffic satnav and think it's one of the best things I ever bought. It's saved me a lot of time by avoiding German jams.

Cheers.Thanks. Google maps show me 2 options for drive from Cologne Airport to Moers (would like to try La Luna): to go north for Leverkusen, Erkrath till Duisburg than go to Moers, or is possible to go up from Dormagen, Neuss, Kaarst, Krefeld, Moers and avoid Duisburg. When I'm in Germany I can't use any live app on my smarthphone, so I can't check the live situation of traffic.

[Optimist]

Thanks. Google maps show me 2 options for drive from Cologne Airport to Moers (would like to try La Luna): to go north for Leverkusen, Erkrath till Duisburg than go to Moers, or is possible to go up from Dormagen, Neuss, Kaarst, Krefeld, Moers and avoid Duisburg. When I'm in Germany I can't use any live app on my smarthphone, so I can't check the live situation of traffic.There are improvement works at Kaarst with frequent slow traffic, and past Krefeld can often be stationary for a mile or two late afternoon.

Probably via Duisburg is best as there are currently no roadworks there.

As I said, if you look on the tomtom or Google websites today or tomorrow you will get a live traffic journey planner, which should help you decide your best option.

Whichever way you go you will get there in the end.

If you get to see Kathi, say Hello, from me. I'll pm you with a bit of detail.

[Optimist]

Christian, I just looked and the live traffic shows going via Duisburg area as best, some delays (it's 16.15 German time) but journey time 90 minutes, which is not too bad for rush hour.

[Christian G]

If you get to see Kathi, say Hello, from me. I'll pm you with a bit of detail.Ok, thanks for your info and feel free to pm me. But I'll check the club between one month.

[YoungPro]

Recently started exploring the German market but it is so much fun at clubs etc. But is there a way to find girls online? My friend told me I have to read newspapers but that just sounds too old-fashioned. Any websites for reliable hiring?

[Wild Man]

Lads,

Can you please tell me what's the state of play with the new law?

When is it being introduced?

Does AO include OWO and RO?

Are Flat Rates and Party Treffs and Gangbangs to become illegal?

I am an avid reader of the relevant forums but I am confuses!

Thank you for your help.

[SwingerLover]

Can you please tell me what's the state of play with the new law?
There have been a number of reports on this matter in the "Lounge and Chat" threads of the Germany FKK Clubs forum and the Germany AO Clubs forum. Read up there, it's no use starting a discussion on this matter in this thread too.

[Wild Man]

There have been a number of reports on this matter in the "Lounge and Chat" threads of the Germany FKK Clubs forum and the Germany AO Clubs forum. Read up there, it's no use starting a discussion on this matter in this thread too.I have read those forums on this matter and I am confused. I know I'm a very simple Irish man, but there must be others out there in the same state of mind also.

Could somebody, please, somewhere in The German Forums please enlighten us as to what's going to happen as far as has been decided.

It would be a huge service to us all.

Thanks lads.

[SvenFKK]

I have read those forums on this matter and I am confused. I know I'm a very simple Irish man, but there must be others out there in the same state of mind also.

Could somebody, please, somewhere in The German Forums please enlighten us as to what's going to happen as far as has been decided.

It would be a huge service to us all.
Search for my recent posts in all forums. There aren't that many. I explained it in detail and it seemed to help a lot of people.

However, keep in mind that it is unclear to what extent any new law will actually be enforced.

[Dick Travel]

I visited Laufhaus Vitalia recently and had a great 30 min session with a cute sexy 21 year old Russian for E50.

It got me thinking though, what do I get for my E65 to enter an FKK?

With the Laufhaus there is no entrance fee, meaning effectively I can session for less than I'd spend to get in to an FKK.

I still get to select from a range of girls at my pace, possibly with the advantage in some peoples view of not being approached or hassled.

The only downside I see is no lounging around and no free food. But then is that worth E65? I can session at the LH then go and get some food and stil have only spent the FKK entrance fee, then return for another session.

I was just pondering if perhaps I'm better using a LH unless I intend to session 3 or more times.

OK, no showers, no named girls walking around, but what value does one place on that.

Just thinking aloud gentlemen. Anyone changed habits from FKK to LH?

[Eszpresszo]

I visited Laufhaus Vitalia recently and had a great 30 min session with a cute sexy 21 year old Russian for E50.
It got me thinking though, what do I get for my E65 to enter an FKK?
Just thinking aloud gentlemen. Anyone changed habits from FKK to LH?Good points. There are too many options for mongering in Germany to focus on one sector. Seems a lot of comments about the FKK clubs are regarding disappointments or a visitor's failure to find what there were seeking. I have to wonder if their overall experiences might be better if they try different things. The laufhaus setup, a brothel, an escort or hobby working girl. What is really disturbing to me, as someone who has lived in Germany and traveled through most of it, is that mongers here seem to focus their journey on travel to obscure and sometimes uninteresting places in the nation when they have a short time frame. I've looked up the locations on Google maps and most of these FKKs and Pauschal clubs seem to be situated in the industrial armpit of a particular town or area. The NRW as a whole is not well regarded by other Germans, who appear to think of it as a place to avoid. Sure, people live there. They live to go on an "Urlaub" away from there any chance they can get. My point here is that too much effort is being put into visiting some place that has little going for it except for a specific *house, that has been well marketed or has a buzz about it. In this kind of setup, its no wonder some people will be disappointed, especially when time and travel constraints add stress to the situation.

FYI, my experience in Germany is largely with the Laufhaus scene, mostly in Frankfurt, where I don't really want to visit again for a long while (my difficult relationship with Frankfurt on Main goes back to 1980, BTW). Its time for an "Aktualisierung" on my part. Next stop, Berlin and a couple of "Hobby Nutte" I've been corresponding with and a gander at the brothels that seem to be on every other street. Maybe a Flat-Rate if there is time, money and the appropriate lust. Yes, I will check out the FKK scene someday, but only when it represents a value or exceptional experience.

[Downandup]

I have read those forums on this matter and I am confused. I know I'm a very simple Irish man, but there must be others out there in the same state of mind also.

Could somebody, please, somewhere in The German Forums please enlighten us as to what's going to happen as far as has been decided.

It would be a huge service to us all.

Thanks lads.There's sufficient information here, you just have to find it and you may not be able to find it if you don't search correctly. That may be why you don't think that there's enough information. So this is what you do:

1. Go to the Front Page.

2. Select ALL the Forums.

3. Select Europe.

4. Then select "Germany. AO Clubs" << This is where you say "Where did that come from?"

5. look at the Lounge and General Info threads for more details.

[Dick Travel]

After more thought I conclude whether or not you manage to find the elusive GFE in the FKKs often enough probably sways the argument.

If you can find GFE then FKK wins. You won't find it in a LH I feel.


I visited Laufhaus Vitalia recently and had a great 30 min session with a cute sexy 21 year old Russian for E50.

It got me thinking though, what do I get for my E65 to enter an FKK?

With the Laufhaus there is no entrance fee, meaning effectively I can session for less than I'd spend to get in to an FKK.

I still get to select from a range of girls at my pace, possibly with the advantage in some peoples view of not being approached or hassled.

The only downside I see is no lounging around and no free food. But then is that worth E65? I can session at the LH then go and get some food and stil have only spent the FKK entrance fee, then return for another session.

I was just pondering if perhaps I'm better using a LH unless I intend to session 3 or more times.

OK, no showers, no named girls walking around, but what value does one place on that.

Just thinking aloud gentlemen. Anyone changed habits from FKK to LH?

[Micky Mouse]

I am staying at Bad Neuenahr Area. Any advice on nearby action. 1st time here.

[Varenne]

I am staying at Bad Neuenahr Area. Any advice on nearby action. 1st time here.A few options within 50 km:

http://fkk-finest.de/

http://www.club-majestic.com/startseite.html

http://www.villaclassico.de/

http://schieferhof.istmein.de/

http://www.dolce-vita-raubach.de/

[PvtMike]

I apologize in advance if this is the wrong topic to be posting this question.

Until now, the planning of my trip to Germany has been driven by where I can go to ride as many beautiful and diverse women as possible. However, one of the few other things on my checklist is to also ride as many publicly accessible Paternosters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternoster) as possible!

Several months ago I discovered the wonderful existence of Paternosters, and for some reason they're just so cool to me, probably because they're just an impossibility outside of the few countries they still exist.

Anyways, via the German Wikipedia I found an excellent list of paternosters in Germany.

However, seeing as how I know little to no German, I'm having to do a direct translation and I must be missing some context.

It lists two separate paternoster locations in Duisburg:


Duisburg
- Rathaus
- Stadthaus
Google translates Rathaus to "town hall" and Stadthaus to "town house".

This made little sense to me, so I tried translating just Stadt and that translates to "city". I also I know that Haus alone translates to "house". So if I combine them it'd be "city hall", which doesn't make much sense either.

What's the difference between Rathaus and Stadthaus in this context?

Again, I apologize if this is a stupid question or this is an inappropriate forum to be asking it.

[Ararat]

AFAIK,

Rathaus is the seat of the Mayor. Stadthaus is the seat of the city administration.

[SvenFKK]

AFAIK,

Rathaus is the seat of the Mayor. Stadthaus is the seat of the city administration."Rat" is "council", so the Rathaus is the seat of the city council, often also the administration. Basically every town has a Rathaus. "Stadthaus" is not a common term (and is certainly not a "town house" it is probably something other than the seat of the city council (and mayor): perhaps administration, perhaps a library or whatever.

[SwingerLover]

as far as has been decided.NOTHING has been decided thus far. There still is no law, much less one put in effect. There is not even a real draft law yet, only this "Referentenentwurf" which might be dreaming about becoming a draft law sometime in the future.

[Hessen Bub]

However, one of the few other things on my checklist is to also ride as many publicly accessible Paternosters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternoster) as possible!Here's a link to all Paternosters currently in operation. It does list more than 2 in Duisburg, and it does include the adresse, which might be helpful to differentiate between Stadthaus and Rathaus:

http://www.flemming-hamburg.de/patlist.htm

HB.

[ZfNuka]

Is the German scene active during the Holidays?

I was thinking of taking advantage of my time off of work to pop over for a quick mongering trip (27 December - 3 January) but I'm assuming that things may be a bit dead. I'm usually a red light / Laufhaus and FKK club type, I'm a bit hesitant to spend the money if most of the girls will be away for the holidays.

Anyone have any firsthand experience with this? I'm assuming there will be some really good (but busy) FKK parties on New Years, but what about the other nights?

[SvenFKK]

Is the German scene active during the Holidays?

I was thinking of taking advantage of my time off of work to pop over for a quick mongering trip (27 December - 3 January) but I'm assuming that things may be a bit dead. I'm usually a red light / Laufhaus and FKK club type, I'm a bit hesitant to spend the money if most of the girls will be away for the holidays.

Anyone have any firsthand experience with this? I'm assuming there will be some really good (but busy) FKK parties on New Years, but what about the other nights?Probably fewer girls than normal, but also fewer punters. I had a good time at Dorsten once on one of the Christmas days.

[Vito Corleone]

Is the German scene active during the Holidays?

I was thinking of taking advantage of my time off of work to pop over for a quick mongering trip (27 December - 3 January) but I'm assuming that things may be a bit dead. I'm usually a red light / Laufhaus and FKK club type, I'm a bit hesitant to spend the money if most of the girls will be away for the holidays.

Anyone have any firsthand experience with this? I'm assuming there will be some really good (but busy) FKK parties on New Years, but what about the other nights?Lu is thin but you will find something you like. How many girls do we really need?

[Kib123]

After more thought I conclude whether or not you manage to find the elusive GFE in the FKKs often enough probably sways the argument.

If you can find GFE then FKK wins. You won't find it in a LH I feel.I don't think most people choose FKK for the illusion of getting GFE. It s the convenience. Lots of beauties to choose from at your pleasure, and don't discount the relaxing effect of the sauna, etc.

[ThunderStar]

The wife and I like to party and have a week off from the 5th Jan.

Plan is to drive to Dover. Calais and onwards to.

We are thinking Saskia Ferrell lounge but then a bit stuck after that.

In the uk. We very much enjoy The Private Club in Aston birmingham and from what I have read Partytreff clubs seem to fit our bill.

The wife enjoys the attention from guys and women. And we are happy in a paid entertainer club.

I would prefer a flat rate venue with drinks and food inc.

So Fkks probably not for us as the girls there won't like my wife fucking the guys.

AO parties. Ie bareback sex is not for us. However BBBJ is cool.

Any advice / tips / guidance for first timers in Europe?

We are experienced in Spanish putti clubs (not interested in that again. Costly for poor service), The Gambia, Dominican Republic. Half the swingers clubs in the UK. We know "the score" but just need advice on Germany please.

I have read and read but we are new to Germany.

We have car / sat nav happy to travel.

Thanks for any help offered.

[SvenFKK]

The wife and I like to party and have a week off from the 5th Jan.

from what I have read Partytreff clubs seem to fit our bill.
Yes, I agree, that's the best option. Will cost you little, if at all-much less than your travel costs. No need to plan anything in advance; just turn up. I think all Partytreffs will accept couples. Your wife can have all the men she wants. You will also have a nice choice of women. Threesome? Foursome? It depends.

[Hermann666]

Can someone with the proper knowledge give me an overview of the the new prostitution legislation in Germany as of Jan 1st 2016? From what I understand, gangbang and flat rate will become illegal. There will also be a requirement to use rubbers and prostitutes will need to register.

My question is if you have actually seen this being implemented and if so, how? I still see adds for gangbang parties and flatrate for example. The rubber requirement, does that also include BJ's?

Thanks!

[Downandup]

Can someone with the proper knowledge give me an overview of the the new prostitution legislation in Germany as of Jan 1st 2016? From what I understand, gangbang and flat rate will become illegal. There will also be a requirement to use rubbers and prostitutes will need to register.

My question is if you have actually seen this being implemented and if so, how? I still see adds for gangbang parties and flatrate for example. The rubber requirement, does that also include BJ's?

Thanks!Basically there is no such law yet and there possibly won't be one. The greens are against it due to the cost and administration and they have enough leverage to kill this law as they are part of many coalitions of state governments which is represented in the Federal government. If such a law does get passed it will then be another six months before it takes effect.

You can find more details if you look around here some more.

[SwingerLover]

an overview of the the new prostitution legislation in Germany as of Jan 1st 2016?Here's a complete and absolute over view, as you requested:

None!

(For a closer definition of "None!" read what 'Downandup' already wrote and RTFF!)

[ThunderStar]

So this Tuesday, the wife and I are taking our first tour (ish) of sex clubs. I have done loads of research on this site and others and the list below is where I THINK we should go to party.

We both speak little (if any German).

We fly into Cologne.

We have a hire car and sat nav.

Hotels. Not booked yet anywhere.

On our list is:

Saskia Ferell.

Love Toxxic.

Treff 18.

Treff 188.

Bose Partys.

Also want to do a day / night in a RLD where we can drink, and drink up the atmosphere, but I guess we won't be playing with window girls, but sex cinemas are / can be a lot of fun.

We are there for 6 nights and happy to drive around.

Any other "nice" clubs that you may suggest for a couple?

The wife plays with both guys and girls and we prefer the paid entertainment venues rather than swingers clubs.

I've been told to stay away from FKK clubs. As obviously if the wife starts fucking the guys there, then the girls would not be happy. And we like happy girls.

So any thoughts or advice? Its our first time to Germany, but we are experienced in the pay for play scene in may different countries.

Thanks for any thoughts / help in advance.

[UltraHappy]

So this Tuesday, the wife and I are taking our first tour (ish) of sex clubs. I have done loads of research on this site and others and the list below is where I THINK we should go to party.

We both speak little (if any German).

We fly into Cologne.

We have a hire car and sat nav.

Hotels. Not booked yet anywhere.

On our list is:

Saskia Ferell.

Love Toxxic.

Treff 18.

Treff 188.

Bose Partys.

Also want to do a day / night in a RLD where we can drink, and drink up the atmosphere, but I guess we won't be playing with window girls, but sex cinemas are / can be a lot of fun.

We are there for 6 nights and happy to drive around.

Any other "nice" clubs that you may suggest for a couple?

The wife plays with both guys and girls and we prefer the paid entertainment venues rather than swingers clubs.

I've been told to stay away from FKK clubs. As obviously if the wife starts fucking the guys there, then the girls would not be happy. And we like happy girls.

So any thoughts or advice? Its our first time to Germany, but we are experienced in the pay for play scene in may different countries.

Thanks for any thoughts / help in advance.Actually, your wife will not be allowed to work in the FKK (or go with any other guys besides you in an FKK if she does not have a EU passport). The FKK clubs only allow the girl to come in as the guy's guest. Typically, Reception will require her passport showing that she has a right to work in the EU before allowing her to "work" (go with other guys) in the club. This is certainly the case at World, where Reception told my girl that she would have to leave her EU passport with Reception if she wanted to go with other guys besides myself. Of course, I wasn't about to share my girl with anyone so I made sure she didn't deposit her passport upon entry, so she was "stuck" with me for the whole night, but I was free to sample other delicacies there when I wasn't busy playing with my girl.

I don't know why someone told you to stay away from FKK clubs. They're certainly much nicer than the other places you listed. Indeed, if I had a willing chick with me, I'd take her first to an FKK club before taking her to any of those places. At the big FKK clubs, you have all-you-can-eat food, sauna, rooms, Kino, etc.

Go to Living Room, Samya (sauna clubs). Maybe also peek in Planet Happy Garden and Magnum. Maybe go to Samya more in the day and not so late at night if party atmosphere with loud music isn't your thing.

If you have time to drive down to Hessen, visit both FKK-Oase and FKK-Sharks. FKK-Mainhattan if you want to visit a smaller club. Hessen is only about 2. 5 hours from Cologne.

[ThunderStar]

Actually, your wife will not be allowed to work in the FKK (or go with any other guys besides you in an FKK if she does not have a EU passport). The FKK clubs only allow the girl to come in as the guy's guest. Typically, Reception will require her passport showing that she has a right to work in the EU before allowing her to "work" (go with other guys) in the club. This is certainly the case at World, where Reception told my girl that she would have to leave her EU passport with Reception if she wanted to go with other guys besides myself. Of course, I wasn't about to share my girl with anyone so I made sure she didn't deposit her passport upon entry, so she was "stuck" with me for the whole night, but I was free to sample other delicacies there when I wasn't busy playing with my girl.
.Thank you for the reply. Just to confirm. My wife will not be "working" there at all, but we like to get involved in gangbangs, multiple guys and girls. I have no problems with her fucking other guys (as long as I'm in the same room). There is no money that guys pay to fuck my wife. Although now that I think about it.

With regards to trying the FKKs. We may well look into one of the ones you have mentioned.

We prefer day time parties and a nightclub atmosphere is not what we are after.

In the UK (we are both British) we like http://www.theprivateclub.com/.

This place has paid for entertainers and loads of guys. We like the atmosphere and plenty of sex. So the Partytreff appears to be what we are after.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[Christian G]

Thank you for the reply. Just to confirm. My wife will not be "working" there at all, but we like to get involved in gangbangs, multiple guys and girls. I have no problems with her fucking other guys (as long as I'm in the same room). There is no money that guys pay to fuck my wife. Although now that I think about it.
Farell Lounge in Kaarst is a very nice club with a good atmosphere, for my experience is more gangbang party then swinger club. But if you want to get party with multiple guys and staff girls I think is a good place, also I never found the club too crowded.
Living Room is just 30meters from Farell Lounge, so you can easy try to give a look but i dont know if they will let your wife coming in or not.

[SvenFKK]

Thank you for the reply. Just to confirm. My wife will not be "working" there at all, but we like to get involved in gangbangs, multiple guys and girls. I have no problems with her fucking other guys (as long as I'm in the same room). There is no money that guys pay to fuck my wife.Even if she receives no money, they might require some identification. (UK is still EU so you are safe there.) Otherwise, people could claim to be guests and collect money from punters (often, money is given directly from punter to girl) without the right to work.

At the typical FKK club, there are rarely if ever couples present. As others have noted, the other girls might object since your wife would be taking their potential clients. I'm not sure why you don't like swingers' clubs unless you are into many more men than girls present in the club.

At a typical Partytreff club, there are occasionally couples. At least in some cases the girls get paid a flat rate, so it doesn't matter if your wife steals some punters from them. I've had experiences with the female halves of couples at Partytreffs. Unless the punters are regulars, they might not realize that your wife is not part of the staff unless she alway stays near you. In that case, it might be better to make it clear since otherwise other punters might think that you are spending too much time with her (or vice versa).

Looking at the Private Club in Birmingham, it seems to be similar to Xanadu in Manchester, at least the Xanadu of 15--20 years ago (haven't been back since then), though I'm not sure if there were any hired women there (probably a few, but many couples came as well, and about twice as many single men as couples). I think a Partytreff would be your best bet, but check first to see if couples are welcome.

If you come back sometime during the two weeks after Easter, I'd be happy to accompany you. I speak both German and English completely fluently and am pretty familiar with the Partytreff scene.

[ThunderStar]

Even if she receives no money, they might require some identification. (UK is still EU so you are safe there.) Otherwise, people could claim to be guests and collect money from punters (often, money is given directly from punter to girl) without the right to work.

At the typical FKK club, there are rarely if ever couples present. As others have noted, the other girls might object since your wife would be taking their potential clients. I'm not sure why you don't like swingers' clubs unless you are into many more men than girls present in the club.

At a typical Partytreff club, there are occasionally couples. At least in some cases the girls get paid a flat rate, so it doesn't matter if your wife steals some punters from them. I've had experiences with the female halves of couples at Partytreffs. Unless the punters are regulars, they might not realize that your wife is not part of the staff unless she alway stays near you. In that case, it might be better to make it clear since otherwise other punters might think that you are spending too much time with her (or vice versa).

Looking at the Private Club in Birmingham, it seems to be similar to Xanadu in Manchester, at least the Xanadu of 15--20 years ago (haven't been back since then), though I'm not sure if there were any hired women there (probably a few, but many couples came as well, and about twice as many single men as couples). I think a Partytreff would be your best bet, but check first to see if couples are welcome.

If you come back sometime during the two weeks after Easter, I'd be happy to accompany you. I speak both German and English completely fluently and am pretty familiar with the Partytreff scene.Thanks. The wife will not be taking any money from guys to party. I think the fact that she is English, she will stand out as not a paid for girl. She is happy with lots of attention on her.

What you say about "taking potential clients" is the reason why we thought FKKs would not be for us.

Where you mention about me spending too much time with her. LOL - that won't happen! We have been together for 10 years! I can fuck her 24/7, however the girls at the party are "strange" - they will be getting my attention LOL! I think the customers will realise we are a couple. I'm not concerned about that. But thanks for raising the point.

What you say about "taking punters from the girls" in Partytreffs. That is exactly the reason why we think we would get on better in this type of environment rather than a FKK. My wife would be helping the girls.

Coming back after Easter? We will see how we get on this time. We are German virgins. So we may well come back soon!

Below is the list of venues I think we should be partying in. Any thoughts or views on them?

We both speak little (if any German).

We fly into Cologne.

We have a hire car and sat nav.

Hotels. Not booked yet anywhere.

On our list is:

Saskia Ferell.

Love Toxxic.

Treff 18.

Treff 188.

Bose Partys.

Also want to do a day / night in a RLD where we can drink, and drink up the atmosphere, but I guess we won't be playing with window girls, but sex cinemas are / can be a lot of fun.

[Vito Corleone]

We both speak little (if any German).

Also want to do a day / night in a RLD where we can drink, and drink up the atmosphere, but I guess we won't be playing with window girls, but sex cinemas are / can be a lot of fun.I've been visiting Germany 15 years & speak very little German. The airport, car rental & hotel staff speak English.

The RLD in Duisburg has a couple bars within the sex buildings but no cinemas. The RLD in Frankfurt have plenty of cinemas to play in. Don't bother with the strip clubs, major rip off.

FKK, they will let you both in as long as you pay the entry. Wife will have to wear a robe & only go in the room with you & another girl for 3 some. I've seen couples in clubs before so it's not a big deal.

Have fun!

[SwingerLover]

What you say about "taking potential clients" is the reason why we thought FKKs would not be for us.I agree with that assessment!

The only exception might be Dolce Vita in Raubach, since they specifically state "und Paare" (= and couples): http://www.dolce-vita-raubach.de/index.php But I believe that you will have to pay per session just like the single guys, if you want to fuck one of the girls.



punters from the girls" in Partytreffs. That is exactly the reason why we think we would get on better in this type of environment rather than a FKK. My wife would be helping the girls.Which is by no means a guarantee that you will get to fuck the girls! That depends on the club.



On our list is:

Saskia Ferell.

Love Toxxic.

Treff 18.

Treff 188.

Bose Partys.

Saskia Farell: Okay. Maybe on Tuesday AND on Thursday?

Love Toxic: Don't know anything about them.

Treff 18: What's that? Is that Swingertreff 18 in Cologne, which is part of "Böse Partys"? I have never heard anything good about them at all. Ever.

Treff188: My info is out of date. I stopped going there years ago because everybody went behins closed doors only. If that's till the case, then that's propably not your idea of fun.

So here are some more options to consider:

First (and if you are really into gangbang) you should hit Dream Heaven in Wülfrath on WED 6th for Zhuzha's party: http://zhuzha.de/ http://www.dream-heaven.de/index.

You don't seem to be into bareback action, but you might still want to consider Spermagames on SAT 9th in Karlsruhe, if that's not too far away for you. www.spermagames.com.

If you are still here on SUN, then you might try this place for another AO / Safe men-surplus group sex party: http://fashion-privatkreis.de/.

More parties and events can be found here: http://hotpartys.com/index2.htm.

[Christian G]

Saskia Farell: Okay. Maybe on Tuesday AND on Thursday?Tuesday party is a monthly event only for the first Tuesday of the month, HOT7 Party. They have 6 hrs party every Thursday with 4/5 girls.

[Timbaktoo]

Folks,

I found a nice list of websites to find escorts in Germany, use google translate.

http://www.hurendo.com/rotlichtguide-huren-sex-bordell-fuehrer/

I've only used Kaufmich and found good.

Have fun!

[Florida Sun]

Ambiente trade show In February.

I am planning to visit Germany from the 11th to the 16th of February. Those dates coincide with Ambiente. My plan is th visit Sharks on 11th and 12th and I booked my stay at the hotel down the street from the club and my plan was to do rooms during the day and party and drink at night and if an opportunity present its self and room waits are not redeculus continue playing into the night. I have also decided to get out of town and spend couple of days away from Frankfurt and the trade show traffic. I have picked Berlin to visit Artemis and then on my final night stay at a Frankfurt airport hotel and visit Oase on the final night of the trade show. This is my third FKK tour so I have some familiarity but if you could help me with the following questions.

1) how does Ambiente Impact FKK action from what I heard it doesn't drow as many mongers.

2) should I avoid Frankfurt on those days.

3) should I go NRW instead of Berlin.

[Cool]

Which German city is best for mongering? Quality of.

Girls. Friendliniest, price?

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[Jolion]

Hi!

I am going to take the liberty to ask a question that I have been thinking about for some time. I knew that this is not the right topic but I cannot figure out the best place to examine my inquiry and believe that this could be the most read topic. Therefor I hope for your patience and even more for some suggestions.

Simply put I wonder where I can find most street prostitutes or roadside hookers in Europe? What I am looking for is an area, road or similar where there are a big amount of hookers? The more information you could give is better, but a simple pointer would also be much appreciated. Feel free to pm or answer directly here.

I thank you in advance!

[Bean1975]

Such escorts exist. For example this ad http://berlin.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/shaved-head-hairy-bush-swedish-beauty/3750812 but it is from 2014 so I strongly suspect she is not active any more. But anyone similar? Anywhere in Europe. Not necessarily even in Germany.

[Maringos]

Hi!

I am going to take the liberty to ask a question that I have been thinking about for some time. I knew that this is not the right topic but I cannot figure out the best place to examine my inquiry and believe that this could be the most read topic. Therefor I hope for your patience and even more for some suggestions.

Simply put I wonder where I can find most street prostitutes or roadside hookers in Europe? What I am looking for is an area, road or similar where there are a big amount of hookers? The more information you could give is better, but a simple pointer would also be much appreciated. Feel free to pm or answer directly here.

I thank you in advance!You can find street hookers in the following streets:

Kurfüstenstraße, Frobenstraße, beülowstraße, Einemstraße.

Mostly after darkness and they typically will approach you but be careful as they always try to rip you off and some are drug addicts so be careful and agree on the service in full details.

Prices start from 30 E upwards.

Good luck in your hunt.

[SvenFKK]

A new law stipulates 5 years in prison for customers of forced prostitutes and 10 years for those who force them. I think this is fine. Of course, one would be prosecuted as a customer only if it is obvious that the prostitute is forced. In practice, I don't think that there will be any prosecutions of customers. The fraction of forced prostitutes is miniscule anyway, and in most cases it won't be obvious. (There might be a few cases where people actually get off on knowing that the prostitute is not doing it voluntarily, but these are very, very few and I have no problem with prosecuting them.) There might be more prosecutions for those doing the forcing, but again, why not. Despite what some "feminist" activists would lead one to believe, the fraction of prostitutes who are not doing it voluntarily (as voluntarily as anyone else who works for money) is really, really small, at least in places where prostitution is legal. Even if there are no prosecutions, I think it is fine to have a law making something illegal which should be illegal.

The minister of justice is opposed to making prostitution itself illegal.

Independently of this, some strategies with respect to the prevention of STDs were introduced, a long-term programme up until 2030. Germany has one of the lowest HIV infection rates in Europe. There is a slight increase in other STDs, though.

A while back, another new law was passed, which will go into effect in July 2017. Mainly, it changes details of various aspects of existing laws and probably won't be noticed by punters at all. It does include the requirement to wear a condom, eben for BJ. In practice, this is not enforceable. What it means is that it won't be possible to openly advertise this. I'm sure that some girls will still offer it. It's like prostitution in countries where it is forbidden: once you're behind closed doors for some legal reason (massage, for example), anything else that happens is, technically, voluntary, so as long as extramarital sex itself is legal (of course, there are many countries where it is not), this is no problem, and probably the same will be the case for bareback after the law is passed.

I have mixed feelings on this one. On the one hand, trying to regulate something which can't be checked in practice is usually not a good idea. On the other hand, there is a substantially higher risk, at least for vaginal and anal sex (though even most girls who do AO don't do anal AO), so I think it is OK to have a law which protects the workers. If they voluntarily choose to disobey it, that's their decision.

[Corpse]

Hi all,

I am a newbie here but been reading the posts for awhile. I've never been to any of the FKK clubs. I will go to Cologne and Frankfurt for the first time in April.

So, here is my questions.

I'm curious about Oase or Shark and ACA or Mondia, Which one is better?

I want to have sex with a hot black girl and this will be the first time for me.

I saw several black girls in Saunaclub Babylon. Is this the only option?

Is there any black girls in Oase or Shark?

[Jymondor]

Mainly, it changes details of various aspects of existing laws and probably won't be noticed by punters at all. It does include the requirement to wear a condom, eben for BJ. In practice, this is not enforceable. What it means is that it won't be possible to openly advertise this. I'm sure that some girls will still offer it. It's like prostitution in countries where it is forbidden: once you're behind closed doors for some legal reason (massage, for example), anything else that happens is, technically, voluntary, so as long as extramarital sex itself is legal (of course, there are many countries where it is not), this is no problem, and probably the same will be the case for bareback after the law is passed.
I would assume that BBBJ and DATY will become extras and not all girls will provide this. That's it. The only question how much? 50 Euros for both BBBJ & DATY? 50 Euros for each? 100 Euros for each?

[SvenFKK]

I would assume that BBBJ and DATY will become extras and not all girls will provide this. That's it. The only question how much? 50 Euros for both BBBJ & DATY? 50 Euros for each? 100 Euros for each?Maybe even without charge. Thanks to fora such as this one, people know who provides what. Some girls might provide extras, inofficially, in order to get more sessions (or perhaps even because they enjoy the extras themselves). For the same reason, fees, if any, will stay reasonable.

I think the only real difference will be the lack of open advertizing.

[Wolvenvacht]

A while back, another new law was passed, which will go into effect in July 2017. Mainly, it changes details of various aspects of existing laws and probably won't be noticed by punters at all.There is no law yet. It is at the level of a draft bill only, to be introduced in parliament by the Government and still has to go al the way through the Bundestag and Bundesrat. Therefore it is premature to put yet a date on it when it will become effective.

[BaltiX]

NYT reports that the German government passed new laws on prostitution few days ago, but there is no mention of it in other new sites, aside from OpenDemocracy.

[Vivek]

Hi friends,

I'm 41 Male Single and want to travel in Europe as a sex tourist in about September 2016. (I want to visit only 1 or 2 cities within a tour of about 7 days) . I want to see and experience what is unique in the world. Like in Germany you have FKK clubs and sex parties which may not be available anywhere else in the world. Interested in Flatrate Brothels where you have to pay about 120 euros at the entry and then you can have as much sex with as many women as you like along with unlimited food and drinks. There may be some nude beaches worth visiting in Europe. And some adult shows with great lighting. I am also interested in Lap and table dances. Budgetwise I am within Medium Range. I do not want 5 star type very expensive places nor very cheap, dirty and dangerous places. I like clean and safe and preferably legal places to have fun. . In past I have been to Las Vegas in USA in 2000 and to Bangkok, Pattaya in March 2016.

So can you tell me which are the best cities, clubs and hotels to visit for these unique experiences?. Please feel free to give as many details as you like in PM or this forum.

Thanks in advance.

[Optimist]

Lapdancing is very poor value. Maybe a better option would be to go to a club like World, Samya, or Mondial and just watch the spontaneous Manele dancing. I haven't been to Mondial myself.

If I had only one week I would base in Frankfurt as I like naked FKK. Dusseldorf area has more choice but the girls are not naked and the clubs, to my mind less dynamic.Cologne might be a good choice.

Of course, others will have different views

[The Cane]

NYT reports that the German government passed new laws on prostitution few days ago, but there is no mention of it in other new sites, aside from OpenDemocracy.What are the chances of this wave of BS crashing into Austria and Switzerland too? Anybody heard any similar such rumblings in those two countries?

[SvenFKK]

There may be some nude beaches worth visiting in Europe. Indeed. And nude mixed saunas are the norm. But this has nothing to do with sex, tourism or otherwise, and count on getting thrown out and / or arrested for any sort of behavior of a sexual nature. In Germany, prostituion is legal, and there are many swinger clubs, partytreffs and so on. Go there.

Since the stupid behavior in Cologne, police and others are more sensitive to foreigners behaving badly-with good reason.

Sex tourism in Germany? Fine. But don't think that just because a girl is topless in the park that she is looking for sex, with you are anyone else.

[SvenFKK]

NYT reports that the German government passed new laws on prostitution few days ago, but there is no mention of it in other new sites, aside from OpenDemocracy.My guess is that not much will change as far as we are concerned.

[SvenFKK]

What are the chances of this wave of BS crashing into Austria and Switzerland too? Anybody heard any similar such rumblings in those two countries?As a result of the new law in Germany? Essentially zero. Otherwise? Not very likely.

[XXL]

A new law stipulates 5 years in prison for customers of forced prostitutes and 10 years for those who force them. I think this is fine. Of course, one would be prosecuted as a customer only if it is obvious that the prostitute is forced.Uhm, let me guess, forced prostitutes have a big "F" ("F" for "Forced") tattooed on the sole of their feet, so it should be obvious. Nothing to fear here. Neither would any prostitute say she was trafficked in order to get a green card or get off the hook for some crime, since prostitutes and women in general are truthful creatures who have never been known to lie and get men into trouble.


It does include the requirement to wear a condom, eben for BJ. In practice, this is not enforceable. What it means is that it won't be possible to openly advertise this. I'm sure that some girls will still offer it.Yes, at a premium, plus they may have some blackmail leverage on the customer. Most girls I've talked to loved this particular provision of the New Law.


(There might be a few cases where people actually get off on knowing that the prostitute is not doing it voluntarily, but these are very, very few and I have no problem with prosecuting them.) The Law may have no problem prosecuting you either if it's your word against someone else's.

[BaltiX]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions until we see the effects of the new law. I'm starting to wonder if the German federal government passed the new law or not because there is not mention of it in other new sites, aside from a short NYT article and OpenDemocracy.

[SvenFKK]

Uhm, let me guess, forced prostitutes have a big "F" ("F" for "Forced") tattooed on the sole of their feet, so it should be obvious. Nothing to fear here. Neither would any prostitute say she was trafficked in order to get a green card or get off the hook for some crime, since prostitutes and women in general are truthful creatures who have never been known to lie and get men into trouble.Let's be serious. While it might be possible to hide the fact that one is forced, sometimes it is not. Prosecution takes place only if it is obvious that it is not. If no sane person thinks you could have known, then you are not guilty of everything. But there are signs that someone is forced, and in such cases one is guilty, and that is fine.



The Law may have no problem prosecuting you either if it's your word against someone else's.In that case, there can be no conviction.

[SvenFKK]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions until we see the effects of the new law. I'm starting to wonder if the German federal government passed the new law or not because there is not mention of it in other new sites, aside from a short NYT article and OpenDemocracy.It has definitely been passed, covered by many German news sites.

[Solo Traveler]

I noticed that it is common for RLD women to pull scams on tourists.

They always advertise something like sex 15-20 minutes for 25-30 EUR.

However, once you take off your clothes and lie on your back.

She will then tell you sex=hand job only.

If you want a BJ or put your penis into her vagina (with condom), it will cost another extra 100-200 EUR!

This is ridiculous.

Why no one steps in and tell those dishonest women that this is not the way to do business.

Sex, no matter in English, German, or any other language, means the man can put his penis into the woman's vagina (with condom).

Sex will never equal to hand job.

[Downandup]

I've seen this offered in a number of massage places but I can't see it described anywhere, what is it? Body 2 Body? And what's the reverse Sleigh Ride?

[Bobby Cph]

I've seen this offered in a number of massage places but I can't see it described anywhere, what is it? Body 2 Body? And what's the reverse Sleigh Ride?I am pretty sure it is a massage of yr penis with the girl sliding her pussy lips up and down yr penis. As close as you get to penetration without penetration.

[Downandup]

Thanks. That would make sense as full sex would be included.

[SvenFKK]

I noticed that it is common for RLD women to pull scams on tourists.

They always advertise something like sex 15-20 minutes for 25-30 EUR.

However, once you take off your clothes and lie on your back.

She will then tell you sex=hand job only.

If you want a BJ or put your penis into her vagina (with condom), it will cost another extra 100-200 EUR!
I think it is less common than it was, probably because forums like this one will quickly alert punters to the scammers.

It used to be very common. However, even in the old days, DM 70 was the standard for 30 minutes in a room with full (covered) sex. I was almost always able to negotiate two orgasms, one uncovered in her mouth (but no swallow), pay after not before, completely nude, touching everywhere allowed, DATY. This was 30 years ago. Today, the standard price is EUR 30 or so, which is about the same. I haven't been to the RLD in a while, but I imagine that I could still negotiate this.

[FlurkMan]

...Today, the standard price is EUR 30 or so....Be prepared however for a request for that extra 10 or 20 EUR bill.

If so, up to you to negotiate some extra time or additional performances. Or to stick to the standard price.

[BaltiX]

Stupid question, but do you have to be a resident of Germany or other Euro countries to register at Kaufmich?

[Optimist]

Stupid question, but do you have to be a resident of Germany or other Euro countries to register at Kaufmich?No. Like all these things you just try and then with luck it all works out. I can't remember kaufmich details but with some sites I have had to put in a German region as my home.

[BaltiX]

Thanks for the info. The German scene is so big that it's overwhelming for an American like me.

[BaltiX]

I read a translated summary about the new law on Kaufmich. One of things it mentioned is registration and health checks depends on local authority. Is it possible that more liberal places like Berlin will be more lenient than the more conservative ones?

[Lee66]

Truvada has been approved by us fda for pre exposure prophilaxis of hiv. Is it possiblle to challenge the condom law to include other safe sex methods?

[SvenFKK]

Truvada has been approved by us fda for pre exposure prophilaxis of hiv. Is it possiblle to challenge the condom law to include other safe sex methods?No. Get real! First, the US FDA has no authority in Germany. Second, a condom is much better protection. Third, it is not mainly about HIV, but about other diseases.

[Hessen Bub]

Is it possiblle to challenge the condom law to include other safe sex methods?Nope. Sexual abstinence maybe.

HB.

[Braggeleir]

Hello,

Me and my friends are having a bachelor party in Nijmegen (NL) close to the German border.

We are wondering if anyone knows any Stripclubs, Table Dance, Lap dance, . Region Nordrhein-Westfalen (Kleef, Xanten, Emmerich).

Thanks in advance!

[Jay In Germany]

No. Like all these things you just try and then with luck it all works out. I can't remember kaufmich details but with some sites I have had to put in a German region as my home.I have an account on Kaufmich, and it is pretty decent. I actually live here, but I think even if you are visiting, you can just put in the address of where you are staying (Postal Code and City).

[XXL]

Truvada. And doxycycline for safe sex instead of condom?

Truvada has been approved by us fda for pre exposure prophilaxis of hiv. Is it possiblle to challenge the condom law to include other safe sex methods?Truvada has been approved by us fda for pre exposure prophilaxis of hiv. Is it possiblle to challenge the condom law to include other safe sex methods?Doxycycline? Wouldn't it do more harm than good? From what I understand if you take it preventively you will kill off susceptible strains of Chamydia and invite the resistent ones into your body. While if you get infected by a mixture of non resistent and resistent strains the non resistent ones may crowd out the resistent ones and be suceptible to treatment later.

[JMan4848]

I'm considering a trip and would like some advice. After reading about all the various and complicated options for sex, I'm feeling I might like the best staying at someone's private residence even for a couple overnights, and paying an amount to have free access to the woman or hopefully at least 2 or 3 there. From the descriptions I was thinking the Wohnungspuffs in Germany is what I'm looking for but I'm not sure. Can someone steer me in the right direction?

Thanks.

[Mobeen]

Such escorts exist. For example this ad http://berlin.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/shaved-head-hairy-bush-swedish-beauty/3750812 but it is from 2014 so I strongly suspect she is not active any more. But anyone similar? Anywhere in Europe. Not necessarily even in Germany.I remember someone asking such a question in the Frankfurt sections and I replied to it once before, there is this particular lady I saw on a German agency called Redmillion Escort http://redmillion-escort.com/portfolio_page/zora/.

[DonDonato]

Maybe it is a silly question. I know that we have here very experienced mongers with many visits to various clubs in whole Germany.

What is the best FKK club in Germany? Te biggest with the biggest number of working girls?

[Marlboro Red]

Hi,

Anyone knows of a place for gangbang in town?

[LukasFlirt]

I have been searching for a search site for escorts in Germany, now that the FKK scene is void of girls offering BBBJ's. I remember seeing a well known page, apparently the biggest one in Germany, but for the life of me I can't find it now. Can anyone help me out?

Thanks.

[Optimist]

Lukas.

I would suggest you try FKKS for yourself and don't rely on assumptions. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Web sites with adverts.

6 relax. De.

Ladies. De.

megalatte.com

Unless you use escort agencies you may need to speak some German to get addresses.