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Oliver Ecke

02-09-11, 22:42

Am from the Uk and really enjoying this thread. Of the half a dozen German cities I've visited Berlin imo is the best bet for coming into contact with quality brasses and receiving a fair service. I've visited Liberty, Sexy Candyshop, Van Kampen, L'amour, Salon Prestige and Atelier Marilyn.

I have never been disappointed in Liberty. From the top of my head the girls I have chosen in there have been:

Kate. 6ft Latvian who is not there anymore and the last time I came across her in another establishment 12 months ago she told me she was freelance. She says she's 27 but I'd say she was five years older. Provides excellent service consisting of sex followed by massage and is interesting to listen to (she talks and you listen) , and has a lot to say about the sex business in general. I'm sure she'll still be around Berlin somewhere. Begins with her above getting you fully hard by gyrating her tits on you dick.

Kelly. Was shocked when she started speaking English with a Southern English accent. Says she is Danish and has lived and worked in England. Mid 20's, naturally very, very attractive but does not have a promiscuous aura but ideal for GF sex.

Lisa. Late twenties. Looks like WTA player Alona Bondarenko. Fully recomended but continually makes cooing noises. Lets you jizz on her bod.

Larissa. Now left. A Russian lady probably of tartar stock with a posh aura about her. Names herself after the character in Dr Zhivago. BJ a bit too teethy but would have recomended. One regret is that I later found out from the website that she lets you jizz on her. I'd never asked as I thought she was a bit too posh!

Isabelle. 23 and looks like your typical young nurse that you want but can't have. Fair hair that goes low over the eye which I find a turn on. Fine for GF sex. Seen her when I was last there in November.

Keeping up the Liberty theme I visited Salon Prestige for the first time also in November and chose Serena, an ex. Liberty girl. Late twenties she has an extermely horny aura about her. Banged her in different possies then jizzed on her bod. Curiously, after we finished she made a call on a mobile phone to someone she told me diden't know she worked there. Could hear the gentlemans voice on the other end and they were talking in German about shopping and what she should bring in for tea. Thought it was well done I'm sure it was set up. So I'd leave there and tell the whole world that there is this place in Berlin were thay have real cheating housewives! Still, she wore a weding ring and was a real housewife and would fully recommend!

If I had to nominate one above the others in Berlin I would plump for Chantal in Van Kampen. Mid to late twenties, she is an absolute sex bomb and is so good I'm convinced that she must have been in porn movies at some time. I'd be very surprised if anyone was disappointed from an encounter with her.

Gergiev

02-10-11, 03:15

Jana is a charming, winning, talkative and amazing young escort lady.

She is self-employed and enjoys travelling and will be the ideal companion for every international businessman in Berlin or Hamburg who emphasize seriousness, sensuality and passion.

Are you a gentleman looking for a gorgeous and open-minded courtesan who can entertain you in private and social very well? Jana is the right one for you. First, she will seduce you, then she will pamper you and finally you will become addicted to her witty mind and delightful figure.

With her sparkling smile, her deep green eyes and her positive radiation this amazing escort lady is the ideal companion for the demanding gentleman. Indulge yourself a rendez-vous with such a sensual companion.

More information:

www.lindas-friends.comHave to admit on the basis of the entries so far, I'm no friend of Linda.

Just opened the German branch to peruse any new updates and I see she's spammed several of the threads with her advertisements.

This is a liberal forum that even contains a separate section for commercial bulletins.

But this kind of "Blitzkrieg" is a gross abuse of that facility.

So Jackson: do your stuff and apply the ultimate sanction please.

VG.

Angus Magee

02-10-11, 11:01

So Jackson: do your stuff and apply the ultimate sanction please..I pointed out a similar post a couple of months back. I then noticed it had also been posted to Escort Classified Ads. I am unclear if the thread (Escort Classifieds) is a paid thread or not. Or is it a thread to post about Escorts one finds in classified ads? It would be helpful to know this.

I doubt very much this will be addressed but I thought I would put it out there.

AM

Gergiev

02-12-11, 03:55

I pointed out a similar post a couple of months back. I then noticed it had also been posted to Escort Classified Ads. I am unclear if the thread (Escort Classifieds) is a paid thread or not. Or is it a thread to post about Escorts one finds in classified ads? It would be helpful to know this.

I doubt very much this will be addressed but I thought I would put it out there. Angus,

Seems to me the system here is very fair.

If one operates a commercial operation or is an independent escort / sexarbeiter etc then you can still post your credentials in the appropriate (Escort Classified Ads) section.

To the best of my knowledge there is no charge here for this.

"Linda" however has spammed numerous threads in several jurisdictions throughout the Europe branch for nothing other than financial gain.

For example, when I opened the Germany branch the other night, the last entry in 8 separate threads was an advertisement for "Lindas Friends".

This was replicated in various threads of a number of other countries.

Which is a gross abuse of the liberal regime that obtains here as far as I'm concerned.

Over to Jackson.

VG.

Lestrade

02-17-11, 12:18

Charlie 123

02-18-11, 00:12

I have seen a few mentions of girls with tattoos and piercings at Artemis but none really at the bordello or as escort.

I enjoy the 'Suicide Girl' look. As many tats and piercings as possible, dyed cropped hair, dreadlocks, lots of makeup. That kind of things. There are a lot of girls around Berlin who look like this but are any working in this industry? I'd like to meet them if they are so I'm looking for your advice and links and help. Alternatively, will I find a few girls who are at least a little towards this look at Artemis?

First post thank you.You won't really find what you are looking for at Artemis. Whilst the majority of girls have a couple of tats, I can only think of one who is extensively tattooed, and I don't recall her having piercings.

Try the bordelles. I use berlin-intim. De as a search engine.

Good luck,

Charlie

Angus Magee

02-18-11, 10:31

You won't really find what you are looking for at Artemis. Whilst the majority of girls have a couple of tats, I can only think of one who is extensively tattooed, and I don't recall her having piercings.

Try the bordelles. I use berlin-intim. De as a search engine.

Good luck,

CharlieI would agree with Charlie that Artemis is not really the place to find this. I can think of Lizz (Artemis) who has a few tattoos and some facial piercings (she works-or used to work-days so Charlie would not know her) and has a vague look of the "Suicide Girls". My feeling is that this look you are after is a little too out there for Artemis. That is, a girl at Artemis wants to more or less fit a range of monger's desires. If a girl comes along looking too out there, she may have a following but it will be limited. I could be wrong in this, it is just a theory.

If Goth is your thing you might try Eva Black.

http://www.sexy-elfen.de/evelin.html

She has worked at several bordellos, and might currently work at a bordello also, but I do not know where. She seems to move around which can be a red flag.

Same with Stacy.

http://vankampenberlin.de/stacy.html

Who used to work at Artemis and now works, it seems, Indy and guests at VK.

Kaufmich is also a place to look for this kind of thing.

http://www.kaufmich.com/

But I advise caution when using Kaufmich as it has a certain number of scams and the reputation for deleting negative reviews.

AM

Lestrade

02-18-11, 13:46

Oh my Eva Black is quite something. Ty Angus.

I don't know what A*AL ODER O*AL means on her page.

Has anyone had the pleasure of meeting Eva Black from this board?

I would agree with Charlie that Artemis is not really the place to find this. I can think of Lizz (Artemis) who has a few tattoos and some facial piercings (she works-or used to work-days so Charlie would not know her) and has a vague look of the "Suicide Girls". My feeling is that this look you are after is a little too out there for Artemis. That is, a girl at Artemis wants to more or less fit a range of monger's desires. If a girl comes along looking too out there, she may have a following but it will be limited. I could be wrong in this, it is just a theory.

If Goth is your thing you might try Eva Black.

http://www.sexy-elfen.de/evelin.html

She has worked at several bordellos, and might currently work at a bordello also, but I do not know where. She seems to move around which can be a red flag.

Same with Stacy.

http://vankampenberlin.de/stacy.html

Who used to work at Artemis and now works, it seems, Indy and guests at VK.

Kaufmich is also a place to look for this kind of thing.

http://www.kaufmich.com/

But I advise caution when using Kaufmich as it has a certain number of scams and the reputation for deleting negative reviews.

AM

Lestrade

02-18-11, 14:09

I also found this link.

http://www.escortinberlin.de/en/component/content/article/138-escortgirl-berlin-eveline.html

I wonder which is more up to date?

Angus Magee

02-18-11, 15:12

I also found this link.

http://www.escortinberlin.de/en/component/content/article/138-escortgirl-berlin-eveline.html

I wonder which is more up to date? I think they are two branches of the same agency. And I have seen her on various other sites. As I say, a red flag but not a huge one. I have read on the German forums a few reports on this lady and seem to remember they were reasonably positive. No guarantees but she at least appears to be genuine.

An*l order Or*l means anal or oral of course. No idea why they should be starred like that?

AM

Jay Dawg

02-19-11, 10:21

Going to Berlin next week, and besides doing Big A, I will try to go slumming at either King George or Caligula.

Previously the scales were tipped in favour of KG but I would like any updated intel before deciding.

What is worrying me is that the most recent girls at the KG website seems to be "plus-size". At the same time Caligula mentions a rebuild on their web site so something might have changed.

Any info would be appreciated (and it goes without saying that experiences will be reported).

Thanks

Severin Carl

02-19-11, 11:18

Angus Magee

02-19-11, 11:29

I have not been in Berlin for quite a while, so I really don't know what is going on now. But as I will be in this city one of these days I would like to know if this agency "escortmodelle24" is reliable. Fake photos? Can I trust them? They are advertising in "berlinintim" an there are some nice girls. Have a nice weekend : SCI assume you are talking about this agency?

http://www.escortmodelle24.de/index.html

It helps to post a link when asking such questions.

I used them once some years back and it was, as I remember, an okay experience. Not great but ok. The agency was reliable and delivered the girl they said they would. A good experience at this price really is just a matter of luck, if the girl happens to be a performer or not. And of course the photos are photoshopped, pretty heavily by the look of things.

This agency,

http://www.escort-sex24.de/#/Home

has been reported upon here by Charlie and quite positively. Despite having one of the most annoying flash websites I have come across they seem to deliver the goods.

AM

Kimino

02-21-11, 00:55

I also found this link.

http://www.escortinberlin.de/en/component/content/article/138-escortgirl-berlin-eveline.html

I wonder which is more up to date? Very interesting. I also appreciate very much that kind of look.

Besides Liz, that as Angus said, fits a bit the kind (and is also a good sessio imo) also Helena at Artemis fits a bit. Only there in the daytime usually.

What I don't understand about Eveline is the price, tha page is only in german.

110 euro for 1hr? Maybe.

Ciao

Angus Magee

02-21-11, 09:10

What I don't understand about Eveline is the price, tha page is only in german.

110 euro for 1hr? Maybe.

CiaoWithin Berlin it is €90 and each following hour is €80. Outside Berlin (not sure what they consider the Berlin border) is €110 and each following hour is again €80. You pay a €20 delivery charge if you are in the outlying areas. This is standard with Berlin agencies.

AM

Kimino

02-21-11, 14:45

Within Berlin it is €90 and each following hour is €80. Outside Berlin (not sure what they consider the Berlin border) is €110 and each following hour is again €80. You pay a €20 delivery charge if you are in the outlying areas. This is standard with Berlin agencies.

AMWhich sound quite cheap.

In case I should modifiy my Hotel reservation from one person to 2 persons and simply tell the agency to send the girl at my hotel.

Sounds smooth. Never tryed. Probably should. Ahaha.

Thanks for the info!

Ciao

Angus Magee

02-21-11, 15:27

Which sound quite cheap.

In case I should modifiy my Hotel reservation from one person to 2 persons and simply tell the agency to send the girl at my hotel.

Sounds smooth. Never tryed. Probably should. Ahaha.

Thanks for the info!

CiaoWell, escorts at this price range are less expensive. However, one needs to take into account that the hour is short, especially when the girl disappears into the bathroom for 5-10 minutes when she arrives. This means that the longer your session, the better the deal. A two hour session with a good performer can be a quite a good time if you yourself are quick to recover. If you do hire an escort to your hotel I recommend touching base with Charlie to see if he has any fresh tips.

AM

Turn Around

02-21-11, 20:51

However, one needs to take into account that the hour is short, especially when the girl disappears into the bathroom for 5-10 minutes when she arrives.

AMGood point. I didn't think of that. The girl could come already fresh and clean to your room though, but I guess it also makes it more comfortable to know 100% that the girl really has taken a shower before the session starts. Maybe this is a reason they do it in your room and not before they arrive? Is it a good idea to also wait with your own shower until the escort arrives? So that she knows you are fresh and clean too? (maybe a good idea)

In case I should modifiy my Hotel reservation from one person to 2 persons and simply tell the agency to send the girl at my hotel.You mean to have the girl for the whole night or must one do this (change room res. From 1 to 2 pers.) if an escort are visiting your room for 1-2 hours in the early / middle / late hours of the day?

Angus Magee

02-22-11, 08:47

Good point. I didn't think of that. The girl could come already fresh and clean to your room though, but I guess it also makes it more comfortable to know 100% that the girl really has taken a shower before the session starts. Maybe this is a reason they do it in your room and not before they arrive? Is it a good idea to also wait with your own shower until the escort arrives? So that she knows you are fresh and clean too? (maybe a good idea)The way I see it the girl, if she has just come from another "date", has had at best a quick rinse or a sponge bath. Offering her the shower upon her arrival is mandatory. In my experience most will take it. If they do not, this worries me. It is one of the reason I do not like short, hour long escort sessions.

Your own shower I would take before she arrives. If she cares she will see your wet hair and be reassured. And if yo are not clean, hopefully she will tell you. This is one of the things that does surprise me. If you talk to working girls about their job one of the most common complaints is un-washed customers. That a guy would order an escort, or go to a bordello, un-showered boggles the mind.

AM

Kimino

02-22-11, 10:32

If she cares she will see your wet hair and be reassured.I might have a problem with that.

Ahahahaha

Angus Magee

02-22-11, 10:47

I might have a problem with that.

AhahahahaI guess that is pretty "hair-ist" of me assuming everyone has hair to wet. But no matter, I think if you come fresh from the shower the girls can tell no matter the state of your nonexistent hair.

Charlie 123

02-24-11, 23:36

Hi.

I had been minded to try out this agency for some time. There is something about their website that makes me feel that they are genuine. Also, I have noticed that there seems to be some continuity as to the girls depicted on their website that is reassuring. Angus has previously mentioned on these pages this little-appreciated and valuable indicator of the success of an agency, and I agree that a firm which manages to retain its girls for a decent period of time is probably a solid outfit whereas one that has a constant turnover of talent is less likely to be reliable.

I had a frank conversation with the girl who answered the phone about which girls can be best relied upon service-wise, and one of the ladies she recommended was Sarah, who was already on my shortlist, so I booked her for 2 hours at a price of 180E all-in. Pricing appears to be varied. Most of the girls offer a discounted 2-hour package, but they don't all charge the same price. I gather that the price range for 120 minutes goes from 160E up to about 200E. I didn't actually get to find out what the tariff for 60 minutes is.

http://www.escortmodelle24.de/escortservice_12.html

She turned up a little late, and looking several years older than her photos would suggest, but smiling and as friendly-looking as she appears in her pics. She was a bit shy at first (understandably) , but opened up as the session progressed. After 15 minutes of chit-chat, we took a shower together as per my request. She fussed about her hair getting wet sufficiently for me to abandon the love-in in the shower after about 5 minutes, and we hopped into bed.

Sarah was really fun. Sexy, friendly and sufficiently expert in all the crucial departments. BBBJ was slow and sensual; prolonged DATY during which she sooooooo nearly got there, but ultimately didn't; 15 minutes of fucking in cowgirl and mish, in which position we arrived at the customary 'happy ending' exactly one and a half hours after her arrival. A 2nd round was available should I have wanted it, but I was kaput.

All in all, a very good punt indeed.

Just about all of the girls on the website are suggested as being Polish, and I suspect that the general standard of service to be good across the range. New girl Sandra looks especially lovely, but is unproven as yet according to the Hausmutti. She also recommended Nathalie.

I will try this agency again soon. I suspect that they are the genuine article. I am happy to give a positive recommendation for Sarah, although she is not quite as pretty as she is dolled up to be in her pics, nor is she as young as advertised. She told me her real age. She is much closer to 30 than 20.

If anyone else has any experience of any of the girls on this site then I'd be pleased to hear specific tips.

Best.

Charlie

Angus Magee

02-25-11, 09:04

Just about all of the girls on the website are suggested as being Polish, and I suspect that the general standard of service to be good across the range. New girl Sandra looks especially lovely, but is unproven as yet according to the Hausmutti. She also recommended Nathalie.

I will try this agency again soon. I suspect that they are the genuine article. I am happy to give a positive recommendation for Sarah, although she is not quite as pretty as she is dolled up to be in her pics, nor is she as young as advertised. She told me her real age. She is much closer to 30 than 20.

If anyone else has any experience of any of the girls on this site then I'd be pleased to hear specific tips. Sandra used to be called Beata and worked for the agency Sexybesuch.

http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html

Reports on her were generally good but you should know that she was known for her "Alles Ohne" service. This may steer some off her. Not sure if she still provides this service at her new agency. I can also say that for the past several months I have seen her on a couple of different sites only for a short time. Not sure what this indicates.

AM

Alleng

02-25-11, 10:32

I was last week in Berlin and suffered under some backpain.

http://www.siramanee.de/

Was close to my hotel at Ku'Damm and two girls (Pim and Dao) were present. Both rather small but tested both and they did a good thai massage. Base fare is 50 Euros per hour."Additional services" are of course available but the handjob is included in the base fare (which seems to be good value). Taking of the shirt is ten Euros, BJ 30 Euros and Full service is 40-50 Euros. They speak basic English, have a very clean shower and don't rush customers. Overall a pleasant experience. I hope nevertheless, that next time I'm back in more serious business.I tried Siramanee massage last week: nice place, very clean, only one girl so I didn't have any possibility to choose. My girl / lady was not so pretty but neither ugly: we decided for a one hour massage (50 euros) and she began with a strong good massage on my back. After 20 minutes she began to laugh and to caress me on my back, and suddenly we decide to deal for the extras. I paid other 80 euros for everything, BBBJ included, but not CIM. It was a good fucking, even if with a girl not so actractive.

Alleng

Alleng

02-25-11, 10:47

In my last visit in Berlin I found, just for chance, a place called Erdbeermund KINO, in Sybelstrasse 14: my previous experience in sex kino was many years ago, in Cascade, where I found some ladies that came to your seats offering some services (h. J. Or be. J. Or sex). In this case, the kino is a very large place, apart for the sex shop, divided in two zones, the hetero and the gay one (that I avoided). The hetero zone was a place made by small theatres and corridors, divided by genres, and three small glory hole cabins. I liked the atmosphere, but I saw only men walking and walking, waiting for something that never happened. My first impression was that the best I could have obtained from that was a self-sex in a theatre, but. Suddenly I saw people moving from the zone of the glory holes: from one of the cabins a couple went out, a man on his sixty and a young girl very very nice, half undressed, a nice ass. The two walked by, followed by five-six men (me included) and went to a theatre, she lied on a sofa and we went all around her, while her man began to lick her pussy. Wow, I was in the best position to offer to her my brother, her husband gave me a condom and she sucked me wild while all the men around touched her everywhere.

Anyway, an experienced like a swinger club (that I know well in Italy) , but in a place where I didn't expect it at all.

I hope to have been useful for you.

Thank you,

Alleng

Rocketboy0

02-25-11, 11:12

Sandra used to be called Beata and worked for the agency Sexybesuch.

http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html

Reports on her were generally good but you should know that she was known for her "Alles Ohne" service.

AMAngus. As always with his poonographic memory has rightly flagged the issue. Had a look at the website and there are indeed a few others who seem to still be open to it, for a price. That's a rather high price, for which others may also pay dearly. Ohne alles, ohne mich.

Charlie 123

02-25-11, 11:43

Sandra used to be called Beata and worked for the agency Sexybesuch.

http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html

Reports on her were generally good but you should know that she was known for her "Alles Ohne" service. This may steer some off her. Not sure if she still provides this service at her new agency. I can also say that for the past several months I have seen her on a couple of different sites only for a short time. Not sure what this indicates.

AM'A O' is a real warning bell for me. I wouldn't touch any girl who I knew had offered bareback services at any point in the past.

Thanks for the tip-off. Are you sure that it's the same girl? If so, I will have to cross her off the list.

Best,

Charlie

Charlie 123

02-25-11, 12:04

Angus. As always with his poonographic memory has rightly flagged the issue. Had a look at the website and there are indeed a few others who seem to still be open to it, for a price. That's a rather high price, for which others may also pay dearly. Ohne alles, ohne mich.Oh dear! Yes, I see that Rita, for example, offers 'GV mit Schutz, mit aufpreis ohne'. She looks like a smackhead in the photos. Clearly one to avoid. I find this 'alles ohne' business to be thoroughly distatsteful personally. Highly irresponsible, both to oneself and the wider community. Decent agencies shouldn't promote unsafe sex, even though there is no doubt a latent demand for such services. On the basis of what I've learnt here today, I shall be striking off this agency from my list altogether (not that they figured very prominently anyway).

I will still continue to use escortmodelle24, but if Angus confirms that the adorable-looking Sandra is indeed Beata of AO fame, then I will be avoiding her.

FWIW, this sort of exchange is about as valuable a resource as one can hope to get on a sex forum. Tips on girls who give great BJ's at cheap prices are extremely useful. A warning about a girl who has in the past taken (and may still be taking) huge risks with her health and that of her clients. This is a higher level of value altogether.

Thanks to both RB and AM for their input. I think that we all should be sharing intelligence of this nature every time such matters come to the attention of any one of us. For my own part, if I should at any point in the future suggest an interest in agency or a particular girl that any of you know or even suspect to have a cavalier attitude to safe sex practices, please let me know.

Let's all be responsible about this issue. Kinky is fine. Unsafe sex is not. It's dangerous to oneself and everybody else. I'm sure that none of us would condone or support sex traffiking. We shouldn't be tolerating bareback sex with prostitutes in the 21st century either.

Best,

Charlie

Angus Magee

02-25-11, 16:07

Let's all be responsible about this issue. Kinky is fine. Unsafe sex is not. It's dangerous to oneself and everybody else. I'm sure that none of us would condone or support sex traffiking. We shouldn't be tolerating bareback sex with prostitutes in the 21st century either.This is a touchy issue. My own feeling about it is that we can discuss it without demonizing those who provide the service and those who seek it out. Demonizing the practice just serves to drive it further underground where it can do everybody more damage. This is one thing I really appreciate about the German forums I visit. They are willing to speak about it in the open, thus allowing those who want to avoid it to share the same information as those who want to practice it. Many other forums I have been a member of have had a no-discuss policy on this. If anyone was to mention it he / she was treated like a criminal. It is best to be responsible in one's own behaviour, but you can never control the behaviour of others so why try?

As for Sandra / Beata, yes that is her and as far as I can be certain (without having dipped it in uncovered myself that is) she did provide AO when she was with Sexybesuch. The trouble with AO (besides the obvious) is that it is a rather shadowy extra. Occasionally, as with the girl Rita you mention, it is advertised plainly. More frequently it is offered only in code. I find out about it by visiting the German forums, VB and one that specifically discusses all things related to condom-less sex. Reading this I can see that many, many agencies at the lower price range have at least a couple of girls that offer it. The price for the service anges from €10 to €50. Some girls will offer internal cum shot, but many do not. Though one does wonder how they stop it and how often the guy just goes ahead any way.

I am reluctant to mention here specifically all the girls I have read about who offer the service. I do not use this service myself and so coming from me it is second hand knowledge. Thus it is really at the level of rumor and I would not want to be responsible for spreading false information. To really get a handle on it one needs to go to the forum and try to follow the threads. There you get all the back and forth discussion and see that one can never be sure if a particular girl offers it. Or she might offer it for a while and then stop.

I will say that, as mentioned above, if you are using a low end agency it is better to assume that at least a couple of the girls in that agency offer the service. If you see "GV mit Schutz" in her list, it is doubtful she will offer it. If you see simply "GV" there is a chance she might. But one can never be certain either way I think.

Anyway Charlie, if you are concerned I will say that of the agencies I know you use only one is mentioned at all on the AO forum. KZ is not on the list and neither is the agency that runs Paris (Berlin Escort 24?). One of the difficulties is that many agencies seem to be connected and the girls appear to be more or less interchangeable between them.

The final word is that as we all know this hobby involves some risk. While banging a girl who has in the past provided AO service is troubling, if you yourself practice safe sex your chances of catching anything really serious (The Big One) is still pretty remote. But it is not zero.

AM

Rocketboy0

02-26-11, 09:34

This is a touchy issue. My own feeling about it is that we can discuss it without demonizing those who provide the service and those who seek it out. Demonizing the practice just serves to drive it further underground where it can do everybody more damage. AMAM-sorry must really support Charlie123's view here. I've posted about this before, based upon experience of good German doctor friend who works with the scene in Frankfurt. It is just bad bad bad for all concerned. You have a point about when it's in the open, at least you know where to avoid it, and with whom. But it would be far better I think to get it stopped and I'm in favor of the authorities doing so. The nature of what's at stake, and how it works (3 month lag to even know) , and the fact that some mongers have wives and partners, makes it a very big deal. Charlie also right that it's a very important function of the forum to flag it. Hopefully readers will give such options a very short half life. (Even if as Charlie says elsewhere, it's at the British Embassy.).

Angus Magee

02-26-11, 10:02

AM-sorry must really support Charlie123's view here. I've posted about this before, based upon experience of good German doctor friend who works with the scene in Frankfurt. It is just bad bad bad for all concerned. You have a point about when it's in the open, at least you know where to avoid it, and with whom. But it would be far better I think to get it stopped and I'm in favor of the authorities doing so. The nature of what's at stake, and how it works (3 month lag to even know) , and the fact that some mongers have wives and partners, makes it a very big deal. Charlie also right that it's a very important function of the forum to flag it. Hopefully readers will give such options a very short half life. (Even if as Charlie says elsewhere, it's at the British Embassy.).Well, let's make a law then. While we are at it we can outlaw mongering in general as we all know that it spreads disease. And sex, bad stuff sex, spreads disease. Best outlaw it just to be safe.

Wait, that has been tried hey it makes it worse. Just look at the stats about teen STDs in conservative communities vs more open communities.

This is the last I will say on the subject. As I say and will stand by-unless we can talk about it without making those who chose to search it out into criminals, best not discuss it at all. For those interested it is not that difficult to find out this information through web searches.

AM

Turn Around

02-26-11, 15:25

unless we can talk about it without making those who chose to search it out into criminals, best not discuss it at all.

AMI'm with AM on this one. Openess / share of information is best. How people use this information is hard to do something about but I think sharing knowledge about this will be more valuable to those who wants to stay away rather than those who wants it (as they actively seeks out, and get this information anyway).

Euphorie Massagen. Massage saloon in Berlin.

http://euphorie-massagen.de/service.html

Their page looks really good and their services and line of girls seems excellent.

I've search for reports of this place, but all was kind of outdated.

Has anyone been there recently?

I'm particular interested in their prices, it does not say on their page.

(I've sent them an email, but in english, maybe they don't reply.) I found out the prices:

Tantra 1 hour 90, 00 Euros.

Tantra / Spanish 1 hour 90, 00 Euros.

Tantra / Optical 1 hour 90, 00 Euros.

Blind Date 1 hour 120, 00 Euros.

Tantra Duett 1 hour 180, 00 Euros.

About the fantasy massage they told me:

"the price for 1 hour fantasy massage is 120 euros. Its all about the fantasy of the woman who gives you the massage. For more infos you can take a look on our website. There you ll find also an english explaination."

Well, I tried both the german page (with translation through google) and the english page and the page does not give much information what this massage is about.

This is what it says:

"Fantasiemassage. überraschend.

Wir erfühlen Ihre erotischen Fantasien und halten bei Bedarf Outfits füare Sie bereit."

Anyone know what this is about? They massage you and maybe change into a lot of different sexy lingerie?

Something like visual tease?

Also still wondering: If an escort spends the night with you in the hotel room, do you have to change reservation to 2 persons? (what happens if you do not and they find out a girl was there all night?)

What about 1-2 hours escort visit during daytime, do you have to arrange something with the hotel?

(sorry, but never done this before)

Eddy Berlin

02-26-11, 15:28

Well, let's make a law then. While we are at it we can outlaw mongering in general as we all know that it spreads disease. And sex, bad stuff sex, spreads disease. Best outlaw it just to be safe.

AMI only know the Berlin scene and it (AO. Alles ohne. Bareback) is certainly going on. Reading the German forums (well, verkehrsberichte. De to be precise, which is probably more genuine than most of the others) it does have a following (even unprotected anal intercourse) and there are guys who specialise in it, even boasting about how their latest HIV tests were negative again! Obviously they get their kicks from taking the risk but I would imagine it is rather a form of addiction. I see it as analogous to the drugs in sport issue, where we all know it's bad but the realities of the world we live in dictate otherwise. I think there is more of it taking place than what one would imagine and at all levels. It is certainly true that there are girls who have offered it in the past and have then "gone straight". There is a demand for it, always has been, always will be, and nobody can stop it.

Rocketboy0

02-26-11, 17:36

Well, let's make a law then. While we are at it we can outlaw mongering in general as we all know that it spreads disease. And sex, bad stuff sex, spreads disease. Best outlaw it just to be safe.

AMWell, my last words then. No one and certainly not I am suggesting this. But there is a big difference between playing Russian roulette with 1 bullet, and with 3-5 bullets. And there is equally a big difference between playing it alone, and playing it with others, who don't even know they are playing (whether unsuspecting mongerers, providers, partners). You know as well as anyone, even this game has rules. One of them simply ought to be. Wear the dreadful cover, and steer clear of situations where that does not apply. And yes when the consequences are serious enough (and they don't get a whole lot more serious) , it is not just a private matter and people and places promoting it should come under some sort of pressure to stop. Of course it goes on (even in the singles bars and clubbing world) but given the volumes of traffic, it's simply different here. As it would be in say Artemis, and I have no doubt there have probably been some gray events there as well. It is ultimately all a matter of probabilities. We simply ought to keep them low. My opinion, fair enough. But Charley is surely right that the incidence, when found, should at least be flagged. Finis.

Angus Magee

02-26-11, 18:49

About the fantasy massage they told me:

"the price for 1 hour fantasy massage is 120 euros. Its all about the fantasy of the woman who gives you the massage. For more infos you can take a look on our website. There you ll find also an english explaination."

Well, I tried both the german page (with translation through google) and the english page and the page does not give much information what this massage is about.

This is what it says:

"Fantasiemassage. überraschend.

Wir erfühlen Ihre erotischen Fantasien und halten bei Bedarf Outfits füare Sie bereit."

Anyone know what this is about? They massage you and maybe change into a lot of different sexy lingerie?

Something like visual tease? I can not say for sure having no first hand experience. But Euphoria does not have a stellar reputation. The German punters tend to say that it is over priced. The good news is some of the girl do much more than massage. But for what it is you pay more than at a bordello. Some how I think the thrill is (for some) to believe that you are getting something you shouldn't. Thus they are willing to pay more. My question-why not just go to a bordello?

Ekstase has a much better reputation as does Roxanna's massage. Both have been reported upon, or at least mentioned by me, in the thread.

Also still wondering: If an escort spends the night with you in the hotel room, do you have to change reservation to 2 persons? (what happens if you do not and they find out a girl was there all night?)

What about 1-2 hours escort visit during daytime, do you have to arrange something with the hotel?

(sorry, but never done this before) I think this depends upon the hotel does it not? A more expensive hotel may allow a guest for a few hours. But an over night guest, they will probably want an extra guest charge. Some one more familiar with hotels could probably answer this better.

AM

Excess

02-26-11, 22:07

Just to record that I had the pleasure very recently of meeting our Berlin Guide, better make that Boy Scout, Angus Magee in Berlin. While we did not have much time, there was an opportunity to have a coffee and chat about all manner of things. Just as much of a Gentleman in person as in his posts and blog.

I left Angus and travelled to Artemis for a two day health and spa treatment. Found Artemis to be fine in all respects and shall report in due course. Great facilities and girls too. Excess enjoyed himself and was able to offset the Berlin cold weather in fine style.

Thanks very much Angus.

E.

Doonan

02-27-11, 14:24

Can anyone recommend a good german site which offers sessions with porn stars?

The AF

02-28-11, 23:06

Can anyone recommend a good german site which offers sessions with porn stars?Hi,

I would try this here maybe:

http://www.gina-blonde.com/

http://www.sexy-susi.info/

Not sure what is behind it. Never tried it! Reports welcome!

Cheers,

The AF

Carlos Primeros

03-01-11, 01:25

These are only gangbang events! Nothing for a single session.

Gina usually works around Duesseldorf / Koeln area.

You have to register at her web-site, transfer 60 Euros to her account with a Belgian bank and then you get the information, where the next gangbang will happen.

They usually shoot pictures / videos at these gangbangs for publication. If you want to show off. No problem, you can buy later the video where Gina Blond and you star.

Have fun.

Carlos Primeros

Horny Harry

03-01-11, 19:41

I recently had a session with Gina (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/gina.htm) at KD's. I called ahead and made an appointment for 30 minutes@€80.

After I came in, I was shown into a separate room and introduced to Gina. The pictures on the website are still very accurate and she has a lovely figure and a very beautiful face. She looks a bit like Laura, but then with smaller (natural) breasts but also very nice curves. She sports a small tattoo on her left breast, below her belly button and on the back of her neck. Tattoos are not my thing, but they are small enough not to get bothered by them.

She asked me how long I wanted to stay,"30 minutes" I replied and if we already knew each other. When I said "no" she said in a bit of a sarcastic tone: "well, then it's better if we just start off with just 30 minutes." Hmmm, I didn't really like the sound of that, it sounded very much as if she was trying to push me into staying for a full hour.

Unfortunately my initial hunch was correct as the whole session turned out to be rather tame and mechanical.

I took a shower first (soap was empty!) and made sure to warm up my cold hands (Berlin gets cold at this time of the year!) but when we started undressing Gina started complaining about my cold hands and how she did not like getting touched on her bare skin. Okay. I can understand that, yet she continued to fuss about it as soon as my hands strayed away from any body part that was covered with her dress, despite me having warmed up my hands already in the shower. My hands were not glowing hot, but by now they were definitely not freezing either.

Sex was also very clumsy, mechanical and totally passionless. She had not used any lube (she said she doesn't like using it.) , therefore she was a bit 'dry' so she was constantly telling me to not enter her too deeply with little Harry. I asked her if we could kiss (as it says on her profile) but her reply was "well, it says a lot on my profile." I'm definitely not an ugly guy and I do use toothpaste and chewing gum, so I doubt that that was the problem. My guess is that most write "kissing" on their profile to lure more customers, but very few actually kiss. Anyway, after some mechanical pumping I was finally able to focus on her very nice appearance and soon relaxation set in.

As soon as the action was over she right away asked if I wanted to take a shower or something to drink. Basically suggesting: bye bye, fuck off! I declined, so we engaged into some forced small talk while I lay there with still a rubber around little Harry.

After talking for a few minutes she got up, saying that the 30 minutes were up and that once I was finished dressing I should press the bell so the Madam would show me out. The condom I took off myself and left it on the bed, got dressed and got on my way, happy that I didn't pay for a full hour.

Maybe it was a lack of chemistry (shit happens.) maybe she was in a lousy mood or whatever, but I definitely have had nicer experiences and I wonder if standards are dropping.

Lestrade

03-02-11, 03:06

On Angus' first class website he recommends Freudenhaus as the closest thing in Berlin to a window style brothel or rld. As I was in the area I decided to pay a visit to Hochstrasse 45 near sbahn station Humboldthain.

The set up is a courtyard with two buildings either side which you buzz into. On the leftside the hausfrau explained to me in German the setup which I just about understood. There were eight girls on three floors and the first one I met was Sonja.

http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/sonja.html

I liked her straight away. She was in her mid-late thirties, cropped blonde hair. Clearly very experienced and confident. She explained to me where all the girls were and what the set up was and encouraged me to go and take a look before I made me choice. She spoke with the authority of someone who knew that I would come back and choose her.

The rest of the girls all had their own charms. They weren't what people might call 'stunners' but each had their own version of individual beauty. I of course decided on Sonja, but when I came back downstairs she had been booked by another guy. You snooze you lose! I had a look at the four girls on the right hand building but decided to keep my money in my wallet this time.

I like the setup there but you can't really hang around. You need to make your choice or leave, not the same as a standard window rld where you can take your time and do laps.

I will return to visit Sonja. Has anyone else spent time with her?

I am also thinking of taking a visit to Kamilla Dee on Thursday evening and the lineup is as follows.

Michelle, Liz, Allegra, Nikki, Cat, Eva, Paloma, Chrissie, Angie, and the girl I am most interested in Bo.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/bo.htm

Does anyone have any reports or experience of Bo or any of the other ladies here? Searching the board I found some reports on Paloma and a couple of these other women.

I also read the report below about Kamilla Dee and would like to know if this reporter got unlucky when he chose the half hour option or if it is common for girls at KD to not give their all for just a half hour session?

Horny Harry

03-02-11, 11:41

Lestrade, I always book 30 minutes and so far I've also have had plenty of good experiences which I'll list below.

Bo: very nice and sweet girl, although she also didn't kiss. Nice session, but nothing really special. She appeared a bit shy / nervous, but in a cute way.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/bo.htm

Aphrodite: beautiful woman, great curves and it didn't take long to reach a climax.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/aphrodite.htm

Youko: I've had a few sessions with Youko and was never disappointed. Great body, beautiful hair and curves and very sensual. I like Asian girls so we definitely hit it off big time, but her Asian features might not be everybody's pick. Although she told me that she normally doesn't kiss, things on the second session got so steamy hot that we couldn't restrain ourselves anymore.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/youko.htm

Amy: Nice friendly German girl. She wears these black nylon stockings that really turn me on! :P.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/amy.htm

Marianna: A very spontaneous girl and we very quickly developed a nice chemistry. A great 'girlfriend' fuck is what followed. Every session! Again, great black stockings, I definitely have a fetish for those! . Unfortunately I haven't seen her on the schedule for quite some time.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/mariannaa.htm

Annabel: A cute girl and also very spontaneous and definitely not shy!

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/annabel.htm

Laura: Nice 'pornstar' looks, definitely fun once in a while, but in Laura's case it's unfortunately looks only. Sex is very dull and boring and it appears as if she really does NOT enjoy her job. Very similar experience to Gina, although Laura is a lot more spontaneous and talkative. On one occasion (that was also my last session with her) she claimed she didn't have change when I gave her €100 for a 30 minute session. Hmmmm. Riiiiight!

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/laura.htm

There you have it, some KD experiences from Harry in Berlin. Enjoy and behave! .

Doonan

03-02-11, 12:27

I am an american, speaking no german whatsoever, who has some time to kill in Berlin. I arrived last night, too late to go to Artemus, but will go there today.

There is so much information to wade through on this site. . . Perhaps one of the negative sides of a society with too many choices, choices being the very thing that are supposed to make life easier. I have some open-ended time at the end of my holiday. I can stay in Berlin, or I can venture on somewhere else in Germany, probably by train.

What three day programme would someone recommend to get their best bang for their buck (pound, euro, etc)? Does anyone know about Insomnia nightclub. I'm somewhat of a voyeur, and that looks very, very interesting. I don't own, nor did I bring any "fetish" wear with me, so I'm not sure I could get in.

Thanks especially to Angus for you incredible work on this forum.

Any suggestions for a dream three days in Berlin accepted, as well as suggestions for venturing other places in Germany. I have one week until I have to be back in London.

Angus Magee

03-02-11, 13:13

I also read the report below about Kamilla Dee and would like to know if this reporter got unlucky when he chose the half hour option or if it is common for girls at KD to not give their all for just a half hour session?With this hobby a dud session is always a possibility. Despite being clean & presentable there always exists the possibility of not clicking with a girl. Especially with the half hour sessions the girls do not always give their best performance. Of my sessions at KD (somewhere around 16-18 sessions there) I have only had one session where I was not fully satisfied. This session was a dud because I was not fully attracted to te young lady. Choosing off the website can work but it is generally better to chose from the line up unless you see a girl on the site who really, really appeals to you. There is nothing like a face to face greeting to tell you if things might go well. But even here you run a risk of making a snap decision.

Bottom line, KD is in my opinion the apartment bordello where you stand the best chance of a pleasing session. If you really want to up the stakes, I suggest Artemis where you can meet the girls, chat, flirt and generally get to know them before agreeing to go to a room.

AM

Tompnis

03-03-11, 23:24

Been away for a while but was back in Berlin and feeling horny. Went onto the Berlin Intim site and found.

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Kontakte/W-MARIEDELUXE-26038.html

She was one of their so called Top List call girls. Looked great (loves high heels / stockings). Called her and she was really friendly and arranged a visit at her place in Mitte. Asked her to dress in the set up in the pictures. When I got there first alarm bell should have rung as she was in leggings, a swetshirt etc. Anyway thought with my dick not my brain and paid her (160 euros). She told me to undress, lie down and she would give me a massge to get us in the mood and then she would slip into her "sexy clothes" as she described them.

Immediately I lay down she clamped a condom on my still limp dick and started wanking it furiously (she was still fully clothed). I told her to stop as I felt I was going to come and had only been there for 5 mins. She asked why and said if she stopped she was sure "I would go soft" (which had the desired intention as I of course did). She started her wanking again and I asked her to stop as I knew I would come. She then got angry and said I must let her do her job and if I stopped her again I should leave. At this stage I thought fuck it, got dressed and left.

Felt like a complete fool. Would have asked her for the money back but didn't want a scene and just wanted to get out.

Went to Liberty and had a great punt (which I will post about)

Bloody lesson learnt. Beware. Shame as she was a real looker.

Put it down to experience

Charlie 123

03-04-11, 00:39

Hi.

I made my debut appearance at KLD this week some 3 years after first going to a Berlin bordelle. I'm not really sure why I took so long before trying KLD out. I suspect that I was put off by the house rules on covered BJ's etc.

My choice for the first outing at KLD was also a wierd one. Lisa is older than the 51 years that she advertises on her page, and looks decidedly less MILFy than her pics would suggest:-

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/lisa.htm

She is essentially a tantric masseuse, with full sex as an additional option (included in the price, but not the essence of her service). The massage was extremely relaxing, but not primarily a sexual experience, at least for me. After half an hour of light caressing, which I mainly found to be extremely relaxing, I started to get fed up and indicated that I would like to resume 'normal service'. Both the BJ and intercourse comprised largely stationary, 'no friction' contact, constituting her flexing her pussy muscles whilst I lay on top of her.

It's slightly difficult to put across in words, but the whole experience didn't really do it for me. I have no previous experience of tantra, so I can't even say whether Lisa's was a true tantra experience or just her own highly individualised routine. Either way, whilst I don't regret having given it a go, a second visit to see Lisa isn't on the cards. I will however go to KLD again. Next time I will go for a more 'normal' choice of girl.

FWIW, Lisa is available by appointment only and the cost for 1 hour was 160E.

Charlie

Bobo.fr

03-04-11, 01:03

Completely OK with Angus' answer.

I would add this : more than once, after long preliminaries, a meeting could become very intensively (but still tenderly) hot!

So I don't say that there are 30 minutes-services. 60-services but more the meeting is long and more there is chance for complicity (and quality) depending on our own behavior too (of course).

In the past I nearly systematically started a meeting directly with one hour but one day I met Sandra (NOT the current Sandra who was OK) : I stopped the meeting after around 20 minutes (after paying for one hour).

Since, with the lady I met for the first time I often asked her :

- if she thought she could "make love" with me.

- if she thought she could kiss me.

Of course, up to now, nobody answered directly "No" to the first question (but once, a lady answered me that she was not in the moods to have sex on that day)

For the second question, I could have a negative (with or without embarassement) or an unclear (and embarassed) answer. So, in such circumstances, I might start a 30 minutes-meeting and warned the lady in advance that it could become longer (so she could warn me that that would be impossible because she already had an appointment 40 minutes later for example). In general, after 30 minutes, she would have to take a short break to warn the housekeeper (and often to take the additional money) that the meeting was extended.

About Bo, I spent a tender but very hot hour with her in preliminaries (and was ready to extend the meeting's duration) when the housekeeper had to close; so we did not "have sex" but had a common (and "hot") shower. Of course, I would like to renew the meeting (until a more "traditional" end) but I'm not sure that we would get the same intensity!

Gina : I met her twice (or more?) I can say that, with preliminaries, she might be very very wet (so not dry at all) but she never kissed me.

Amy, Aphrodite, Laura (different styles but) beautiful ladies, no kisses (with me)

Marianna : I met her many times in the past (often on Monday mornings) but none kisses (with me).

Gergiev

03-04-11, 04:07

Amy: She wears these black nylon stockings that really turn me on! :P.

Marianna: Again, great black stockings, I definitely have a fetish for those! . Harry,

In that case you should definitely give Pia A spin if you have the chance.

Terrific stockings and high heels leg show available if you're partial to the slightly older woman. .

VG.

Rocketboy0

03-04-11, 11:09

Hi.My choice for the first outing at KLD was also a wierd one. Lisa is older than the 51 years that she advertises on her page, and looks decidedly less MILFy than her pics would suggest:Charlie you never cease to amaze. Weird indeed. Perhaps a new category has been started. GILF-as in Grandmother. Or perhaps Tanta Trick massage. Anyway, there are so many cracking good options there at KD, next time you will surely be rewarded for this recon mission.

Kimino

03-04-11, 15:18

I'm not really sure why I took so long before trying KLD out. I suspect that I was put off by the house rules on covered BJ's etc.That's where I am right now.

But I'll probably give ita a try on my next trip to Berlin in about 10 days.

Ciao

Charlie 123

03-05-11, 00:14

Charlie you never cease to amaze. Weird indeed. Perhaps a new category has been started. GILF-as in Grandmother. Or perhaps Tanta Trick massage. Anyway, there are so many cracking good options there at KD, next time you will surely be rewarded for this recon mission.Yeah, this was a funny one even by my standards.

There were a number of boxes she ticked for me. MILF, hairy snatch, intro to KLD and intro to tantra. Individually these four features were of interest, by way of contrast to the daily diet at Artemis. I sort of thought that I could kill 4 birds with one stone.

I will try KLD again, I'm sure I'll like it once I get over my aversion to covered blowjobs. Perhaps I'll persuade Kimino to accompany me on a joint mission on the 15/16th.

Best.

C

Doonan

03-05-11, 01:18

Angus, we seem to have some things in common. I am from the same country as you (accent in the walking with Angus video give it away obviously) with a moniker culled from the same country as you. Based on your voice, I think we're about the same age as well.

Two things:

You have to do a search online for an SNL skit involving Christopher Walken, who plays an old confederate general. The amount of double-entendre that one can get from the title,"Colonel Angus" is amazing, and the skit is very funny, IMO. I cannot see your name and not think about Mr. Walken and "Colonel Angus".

Secondly, I wanted to thank you again for all your work. You have very much saved me a buttload of Euros, time, and wasted energy during my stay in Berlin, which I am actually extending for a few extra days.

Doonan

03-06-11, 19:25

Their site hasn't been updated in some time.

Elve65

03-08-11, 22:08

In my opinion Siramanee offer the "real deal". Good massage, pretty girls and full service at high level and good price. I must admit that I have been there only once, but will sertenly (spelling?) go back!

Finally, I recomend "Boo" a nice and pretty 25-year old girl. I met with her yesterday. Miss her already!

Greatings!

E65.

I tried Siramanee massage last week: nice place, very clean, only one girl so I didn't have any possibility to choose. My girl / lady was not so pretty but neither ugly: we decided for a one hour massage (50 euros) and she began with a strong good massage on my back. After 20 minutes she began to laugh and to caress me on my back, and suddenly we decide to deal for the extras. I paid other 80 euros for everything, BBBJ included, but not CIM. It was a good fucking, even if with a girl not so actractive.

Alleng

Elve65

03-08-11, 22:17

I walked by a couple of days ago. Noticed that the sign was removed and the house looked empty and dark. I did not try to knock on the door, so I can`t tell for sure, but it looked realy dead.

E65.

Their site hasn't been updated in some time.

Doonan

03-09-11, 16:55

I have just returned home after spending a week in Berlin. During that time, I was fortunate enough to sample a good portion of the treats that the city has to offer. I'll summarize my adventures.

Royal Bar-this is mainly a bar for trannies, but they show a few women on their site as well. I have a "thing" for good-looking and very feminine transsexuals-DON'T YOU JUDGE ME! If they are manly in any way, then I'm over it. Since I have never heard of a trannie brothel, I decided to stop by and have a couple of drinks. There was one really cute girl at the bar (yes, I'm sure it was a "real" girl) , but I was approached by two drag queens, NOT real transsexuals. I don't have a problem with talking to anyone, but I have no interest in men with dresses whatsoever. Once it was made clear that I wouldn't be left alone, and the girl seemed to have no interest in me, I finished my cocktail, had the taxi driver take me to McDonald's and then back to the hotel.

Artemis-with my trannie brothel curiosity behind me, I made my way to Artemis. Trip report here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1129869#post1129869

Rush Hour-On the next evening, I decided to check out the strip clubs in Berlin. I ended up only going to one, as I blew too much money for nothing (no chicks for free).

http://www.rush-hour-berlin.de/component/oziogallery/

The layout of the club is pretty large, with only 5 or 6 guys in the place when I went in, which was on a Wednesday about 23:00. Girls are okay, but not phenomenal. Out of the 8 girls I saw, only 2 were 7-8, and only one was above that. Drinks are about 10 Euros. I believe the entry was 10 0r 15. With each entry, you are given 3 "bucks" to tuck, that represent one dollar each, although they are actually the equivalent of one euro. Each girl danced to two songs, removing all her clothing by the end of the second. After the dance, she comes to each person in the club, expecting to receive one of these "bucks". I drank 3 or four drinks, and as luck wouldn't have it, I was approached by a german girl, quite tall with some tattoos, dark hair, and large silly-cones (Diana). She spoke good english, was a good conversationalist, and before I had time to leave, I had gotten a buzz, bought her two drinks, and tucked 10 or 15 bucks. I should have left at that point, but decided to get a table dance downstairs. She mentioned at this point that she had heard that in America, you couldn't touch the dancers, but in this club you could. I asked her how much they cost, and she said 50. I ASSUMED that for that much money, and since she stated that I could touch her, that I would at least get a handjob, blowjob, something. Well, you know what they say about assumptions. For fuck sake, it's germany, no one would have been offended if I had asked her to confirm my suspicions, but like an idiot, I wiped the drool from my mouth, followed her downstairs, watched a so-so dance for 10 minutes and was politely told to not go anywhere near her pussy. Since she didn't go anywhere near my goods, I watched the show and left. The club is okay, but no fucking, no sucking, and apparently,"don't touch the pussy". In the US, I would have been happy to find this club. . . Although the table dances are extremely high, but in Germany, what a waste. Total damage, about 120 Euro. . . Ouch.

King George: I fell asleep early in my hotel room on Saturday and woke up about 1 am, wide-awake. So of course, I put on some clothes and went to King George. It's dingy, dark, but friendly. The entry fee for "all you can fuck" is 99 Euro, and the doorman, while the size of a small hotel, was nice enough to give me one euro back for my hundred. Upon entering the bar, the only girl that I saw that I was willing to have a go at was the bartender, who was probably 40 and looked like she had had a hard life. . . BUT, she was blonde, looked like she could be dirty in a good way, and had nice breasts. She made it clear to me that she was not for sale. I walked over to an extended platform with tables and had a seat. A small hog approached me, and I said under my breath, please no, please no, please no. . . So of course she sat down. I asked if she spoke english, and fortunately, she said no. I said there as long as I thought I had to without making her feel bad, and then motioned that I was going for another drink, all of which are included with the entry fee. I drank two more drinks, noticed 5 or 6 more girls that I wouldn't fuck it it were free-oh, wait a minute, it is free, and I STILL don't want to fuck them. There was one austrian blonde that looked like she could get me aroused enought to have a freebie session with her, but she was busy, for obvious reasons when you compare the offerings. At that point, I asked the doorman if it was possible to get my money back. He said "no", of course, and I made the determination to get at least 100 Euros worth of gin and tonics into my body, thus breaking even and making it worthwhile to have left the comfort of the hotel. At that point, an astonishingly gorgeous girl appeared, walked straight over to me, sat down next to me, gave me a big smile, and introduced herself as Petronella. (Stove top stuffing? I'm STAYING!) I had read of Angus's report in his visit and insights on Petronella, and tonight was my lucky night as she had her sights set on me. We chatted for a bit, and then went to the room. I had purchased a drink for her (25) , and we sat in the room, talking, connecting, drinking, and smoking. Pretty soon. 30 minutes was up. Since this was a freebie, no biggie. She suggested going back to the bar for a few minutes and then going back to the room, which we did. The guys in the place looked at me, probably wondering what I had that she wanted so much-and that I could give back to her with such a short recovery time. I joked to her that people must have thought I was superman. She laughed, good sense of humor that girl. This time, clothes came off, the condom went on, and I received a pretty good BJ, considering the condom. We then moved into doggie for a few minutes, then moved into cowgirl, with Petronella saying,"come on, we make like different kind of sport." After that, missionary with those long legs and beautiful feet way up in the air. After completion, we went back out to the bar. The place was about to close, and I ordered another drink for my Romanian companion. She called a taxi for me, gave me a nice kiss and sent me on my way. Total damage 149 Euros, which I don't consider to be a bad investment. We hung out for about an hour and a half, AND I got to make "different sport" with Petronella, who has been referred to as the Queen Bee. In my opinion, I think she stays at KG because she CAN be the Queen Bee. No one else in the joint had looks that even approached hers. You can tell that she pretty much does what she pleases and when she pleases. If she were at a place like Artemis, I don't see her calling too many of her own shots, and she would probably be halfway down the ladder in terms of looks.

Appearance: 7-8.

Performance: 7.

I had to also experience a sexkino. When I was in Berlin 17 years ago, I had some time to kill at Zoologischer station. I went to a kino just to have a look around, was joined in a booth by a hot blonde german, who proceeded to jack me off. That was fun, especially since I wasn't expecting it. This time, I would be prepared to take it all in and enjoy the pure sleaze of it all. I went to Friesenstrasse 3, about 10 on Sunday night. Despite my efforts to find it, I just couldn't. If it's located at Friesenstrasse 3, then it's very well hidden in an apartment building. I ventured over to plan B, which is I believe called Club 44, right next to the Gneussenstrasse Ubahn station. Dark, dingy, disgusting, just what I was looking for. I was shown into the kino by the reception lady. Both of the girls I saw were horrible. One was asian, and had a nice body, but looked like someone had hit her with an ugly stick for years on end. The other one that was available had not only been hit by the ugly stick, but had apparently eaten it too, along with a substantial amount of schnitzel and streudel. I went to the bar, ordered a beer and was about ready to leave, when a 40ish woman, with a very nice body came out, but had a punter in tow. I decided to drink my beer and wait for her, but she was gone for a very, very long time. I was approached again by the two pigs, but said no, even though a wank for 10, BJ for 20, and sex for 30 were offered. I ordered another beer, but the one decent girl was still gone. I drank the beer and left, spending only 5 to get in and 5 per beer. I was not impressed with this keno. I'll try another one before I throw in the hat, but not good people, not good at all.

My final night in Berlin was back at Artemis, again a very, very good night. Report has been filed but not yet posted.

I've never been to a gangbang, and there was on on Tuesday night at Fabrik Lounge, with two pornstars: Sexy Susi and Laureen Pink that I wanted to attend, but my wallet was telling me it was time to go and live to fight another day.

Conclusions:

1. If there's a better city in the world for mongering, I would like to know what it is.

2. Berlin has an amazing amount of different genres of mongering.

3. Had I not found Artemis, I don't think I would have enjoyed my week as much as I did, as everything else was either just okay, or less than "just okay".

4. Since for me, the "chase" is pretty much just as important as the act, I didn't choose to visit one of the very good brothels in Berlin (KD or Liberty). Had there not been other choices, I probably would have spent some time there.

5. As soon as I can work it in, I'm heading back to Berlin. Artemis and anther kino are on my list of things to do.

6. As far as King George goes, if Petronella isn't working the next time I'm there, I'll have a quick shag with someone who is the most decent one there, then proceed to get 100 Euros worth of liquor out of them. Best you're going to do in KG.

7. Tchus Berlin!

Angus Magee

03-09-11, 18:49

7. Tchus Berlin!Hey Doonan,

Thanks for the interesting report & perspective on Berlin. A couple of points to ponder.

I am not sure what the status is on the forum about tranny sex. I know it is a big no-no to discuss it on the Thai sub forums. But I think that is because it could easily take over there. Here in Berlin it may or may not be okay. This is not a judgement against you by me. Personally I am as interested in that, that is to hear about what is out there, as anything else. Just wanted to point out that some may get upset with it. I hope not.

had noticed a dark-haired girl with a beautiful smile. Fortunately, she came and sat next to me at the crowded bar. I eventually selected a one-hour session with her. Her name is Vivian. . . I think. She's not skinny, but has just the right amount of curves. 26 years old, with a very well done boob job. We had a very nice session. Her blowjob skills are very, very good. She kept asking me to come in her mouth for an extra 50, which I respectfully declined-I personally don't care where my seed goes after it exits my body, so 50 is an additional amount that I would prefer to keep in my wallet. Anal was also available. We had a pretty good connection, and the sex mirrored that. I went down on her, and although it took a while, she did reach orgasm. She would not permit me to put my fingers inside of her, joking that she has things inside of her all the time, and that she preferred to have the outside stimulated orally. It was difficult to not come with her tremdous oral skills, but I held off, and we had sex with her on top, doggy, and me on top. After the session, she offered to try to get me off again, but I was completely spent. I haven't had sex three times in one day in a long, long time. She did however, give me a tremendous massage.Also I was curious about this from your Artemis report of a few days back. I have been a regular customer of a girl named Vivian at Artemis for sometime now. Your description sort of matches except that Vivian (the one I know) is quite slim and definitely has natural small breasts. She comes from Slovakia and also sometimes uses the name Fatima. Surely this can not be the same girl? I wonder if you are certain about the name? Vivian / Fatima also has a small tattoo on her lower back.

Any insight?

By the way, I had seen the Col. Angus SNL skit but had forgotten about it. Thanks for the reminder, it is a classic.

AM

Novio

03-09-11, 22:01

I have just returned home after spending a week in Berlin. During that time, I was fortunate enough to sample a good portion of the treats that the city has to offer. I'll summarize my adventures.

King George: I fell asleep early in my hotel room on Saturday and woke up about 1 am, wide-awake. So of course, I put on some clothes and went to King George. It's dingy, dark, but friendly. The entry fee for "all you can fuck" is 99 Euro, and the doorman, while the size of a small hotel, was nice enough to give me one euro back for my hundred. Upon entering the bar, the only girl that I saw that I was willing to have a go at was the bartender, who was probably 40 and looked like she had had a hard life. . . BUT, she was blonde, looked like she could be dirty in a good way, and had nice breasts. She made it clear to me that she was not for sale. I walked over to an extended platform with tables and had a seat. A small hog approached me, and I said under my breath, please no, please no, please no. . . So of course she sat down. I asked if she spoke english, and fortunately, she said no. I said there as long as I thought I had to without making her feel bad, and then motioned that I was going for another drink, all of which are included with the entry fee. I drank two more drinks, noticed 5 or 6 more girls that I wouldn't fuck it it were free-oh, wait a minute, it is free, and I STILL don't want to fuck them. There was one austrian blonde that looked like she could get me aroused enought to have a freebie session with her, but she was busy, for obvious reasons when you compare the offerings. At that point, I asked the doorman if it was possible to get my money back. He said "no", of course, and I made the determination to get at least 100 Euros worth of gin and tonics into my body, thus breaking even and making it worthwhile to have left the comfort of the hotel. At that point, an astonishingly gorgeous girl appeared, walked straight over to me, sat down next to me, gave me a big smile, and introduced herself as Petronella. (Stove top stuffing? I'm STAYING!) I had read of Angus's report in his visit and insights on Petronella, and tonight was my lucky night as she had her sights set on me. We chatted for a bit, and then went to the room. I had purchased a drink for her (25) , and we sat in the room, talking, connecting, drinking, and smoking. Pretty soon. 30 minutes was up. Since this was a freebie, no biggie. She suggested going back to the bar for a few minutes and then going back to the room, which we did. The guys in the place looked at me, probably wondering what I had that she wanted so much-and that I could give back to her with such a short recovery time. I joked to her that people must have thought I was superman. She laughed, good sense of humor that girl. This time, clothes came off, the condom went on, and I received a pretty good BJ, considering the condom. We then moved into doggie for a few minutes, then moved into cowgirl, with Petronella saying,"come on, we make like different kind of sport." After that, missionary with those long legs and beautiful feet way up in the air. After completion, we went back out to the bar. The place was about to close, and I ordered another drink for my Romanian companion. She called a taxi for me, gave me a nice kiss and sent me on my way. Total damage 149 Euros, which I don't consider to be a bad investment. We hung out for about an hour and a half, AND I got to make "different sport" with Petronella, who has been referred to as the Queen Bee. In my opinion, I think she stays at KG because she CAN be the Queen Bee. No one else in the joint had looks that even approached hers. You can tell that she pretty much does what she pleases and when she pleases. If she were at a place like Artemis, I don't see her calling too many of her own shots, and she would probably be halfway down the ladder in terms of looks.

Appearance: 7-8.

Performance: 7. Excellent trip report. I had a similar experience, and similar feelings in KG, right down to lusting after the blonde MILF bartender, missing the chance at the thin blonde girl, declining offers from ugly girls even though it was "free," and being "picked" by Petronella. I did do you one better by having a decent experience with a pretty Romanian brunette named Gabi (?). I agree that if you're not going to bed them, at least drink as much of their whisky as you can to get your entry fee's worth.

Doonan

03-09-11, 22:20

Hey Doonan,

Thanks for the interesting report & perspective on Berlin. A couple of points to ponder.

I am not sure what the status is on the forum about tranny sex. I know it is a big no-no to discuss it on the Thai sub forums. But I think that is because it could easily take over there. Here in Berlin it may or may not be okay. This is not a judgement against you by me. Personally I am as interested in that, that is to hear about what is out there, as anything else. Just wanted to point out that some may get upset with it. I hope not.

Also I was curious about this from your Artemis report of a few days back. I have been a regular customer of a girl named Vivian at Artemis for sometime now. Your description sort of matches except that Vivian (the one I know) is quite slim and definitely has natural small breasts. She comes from Slovakia and also sometimes uses the name Fatima. Surely this can not be the same girl? I wonder if you are certain about the name? Vivian / Fatima also has a small tattoo on her lower back.

Any insight?

AMAngus, I thought before posting, and I actually had one other experience in Berlin, but that would require details to tell the story in any way, so I avoided that. I'm not bothered in any way if a moderator wants to clean my report up a bit.

I'm "fairly" certain about the name. I am really bad with names, but I was thinking about the report I would make on this forum later, so I made sure to at least attempt to remember the names of the girls. We are definitely talking about different girls though. My "Vivian" wears a corset pretty much all the time, even in bed until I asked her to remove it. Her silly-cone job is a good one, and they still have a very natural shape and "droop" to them. However, you can still tell they're not hers. She's 26, mid-length dark hair, Romanian, great smile and laugh, quite curvy. Some might even say she's plump, but I would stop just short of that adjective. Despite her shape, she's very, very firm, which was in evidence when I slapped her beautiful hiney and nothing really moved.

Gergiev

03-10-11, 04:23

I am not sure what the status is on the forum about tranny sex. I know it is a big no-no to discuss it on the Thai sub forums.Used to be a big "no-no" around here (Europe) as well in days gone by but not sure how bothered the Supremo is about these issues nowadays.

For example, commercial placement is very common in general threads as opposed to classified ads but there doesn't seem to be much "political will" to eliminate it.

Nickc

03-11-11, 13:16

one for the troops ... ... ... for this recon mission.What troops? Gadafis. Whats a recon mission? Is it missionary with a reconditioner. Cheers

Lestrade

03-12-11, 00:25

I visited Kamilla Dee last week and had the pleasure of half hour with Paloma.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/

She is Italian, in her late twenties, very attractive and as you can see on the website of KD she has a very visible tattoo on her body which is something I liked. All four girls I was introduced to were pretty but Paloma seemed the happiest and most pleased to see me.

I must add that the receptionist, a dark haired lady was absolutely gorgeous.

After taking a shower, the half hour included some delightful kissing, a covered BJ, two positions and a relaxing massage to finish. It was the perfect way to beat the winter blues.

I would certainly highly recommend Paloma, an enchanting lady and the Kamilla Dee establishment seemed very professional.

About the parade. What is the form for talking to the girls as they introduce themselves. Is it ok to ask them a question or two? Aside from looks, what are people's strategy for choosing if you didn't have anyone in mind before? Any questions people like to ask to try and get a good response?

Bobby Cph

03-12-11, 10:31

About the parade. What is the form for talking to the girls as they introduce themselves. Is it ok to ask them a question or two? Aside from looks, what are people's strategy for choosing if you didn't have anyone in mind before? Any questions people like to ask to try and get a good response?I usually just say Hi to the girls when the line up is presented and then I ask the Hausmutti details about the girls afterwards. Usually about the kissing option. I choose from looks first and attitude and a non-defineable feeling about chemistry with the girl. But a little research about the girls is always good to do.

Bobo.fr

03-12-11, 15:27

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About the parade. What is the form for talking to the girls as they introduce themselves. Is it ok to ask them a question or two? . I think that the fact that they introduce themselves one by one (alone with the client) is to ease the client to ask questions, especially those that could be "special" (for SM services,"Clinic" services etc. See
http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/bizarre_games/see_all.htm,
http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/bizarre_games/clinic.htm,
http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/bizarre_games/studio-2.htm ).

So, personnally I asked them questions especially since a bad experience with a lady who does not work there anymore : see http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1129691&viewfull=1#post1129691

Kimino

03-12-11, 17:47

About the parade. What is the form for talking to the girls as they introduce themselves. Is it ok to ask them a question or two? Aside from looks, what are people's strategy for choosing if you didn't have anyone in mind before? Any questions people like to ask to try and get a good response?About the parade, can you ask directly to the girls if they perform BBBJ or is it a kind of house rule to don't do that?

What if someone is looking for a session with 2 girls? You simply pick 2 girls not knowing if they go along well?

Kimino almost packing up for his mid-March Berlin trip. Yesssss!

Bobby Cph

03-12-11, 19:50

About the parade, can you ask directly to the girls if they perform BBBJ or is it a kind of house rule to don't do that?

What if someone is looking for a session with 2 girls? You simply pick 2 girls not knowing if they go along well?

Kimino almost packing up for his mid-March Berlin trip. Yesssss! Everything is safe / covered at KD. That is the house rule. I do remember one or two posts suggesting that you after a lot of visits maybe can get to know the girl so well that she'll perform BBBJ. But since the rule of the house is no BBBJ = don't ask for it. That's would just be plain rude.

You can tell from KD's webpage that some girls do threesomes. Maybe some will even do it even though it is not written on the webpage. I would pick the first girl and let her pick the other one.

Bobo.fr

03-12-11, 22:23

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What if someone is looking for a session with 2 girls? You simply pick 2 girls not knowing if they go along well?

! Http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/aph-marg-e.htm

Bobo.fr

03-13-11, 02:58

Clarissa & Vivian or Nico & Vivian
http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/claviv-e.htm
http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/vivnic-d.htm
However, I am not sure that Vivian and Nico are still working : give a call to KD!

Mia & Nicole :
http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/mianic-e.htm
I've never met them : give a call to KD

Kimino

03-13-11, 07:05

Everything is safe / covered at KD. That is the house rule. I do remember one or two posts suggesting that you after a lot of visits maybe can get to know the girl so well that she'll perform BBBJ. But since the rule of the house is no BBBJ = don't ask for it. That's would just be plain rude.

You can tell from KD's webpage that some girls do threesomes. Maybe some will even do it even though it is not written on the webpage. I would pick the first girl and let her pick the other one. thanks for the info guys!

I'll probably go back to Liberty (before heading to Artemis) , I liked the place when I last visited, and there was no BBBJ issue there.

I'll see when I get in Berlin, and obviously report.

Ciao!

Bobo.fr

03-13-11, 11:03

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About the parade. What is the form for talking to the girls as they introduce themselves. Is it ok to ask them a question or two?

Excerpt from http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/concept.htm

"After a warm welcome, the ladies will present themselves to you. Now you have an opportunity to ask questions. For example about personal preferences. You will get a frank answer. If one of the women is right for you and lights your fire, you can proceed to enjoy everything else together with her."

Compton Anstey

03-13-11, 16:18

Just to say very many thanks for all those who take the time to post reviews and opinions on this site. They are invaluable.

In early April, I will be making my first visit to Berlin since the late 1980s. I had some excellent times there as a young and impressionable pussy hunter, and for various reasons have not been back since then.

I plan to visit Artemis and some other places of hedonism. But a couple of questions, if I may:-

I had the best times in the 1980s a place called Mon Cheri on Sophie Charlotte Platz. Is it still there, for I cannot seem to find references to it currently? I would be happy to tell a few stories of my experiences there if anyone is interested.

Having experienced the swinging lifestyle, I would like to try Insomnia, probably on the Tuesday Swingers' evening, as a single. Does anyone have a view about my age (late 40s, though still highly presnetable, ahem!). Is this really too old for this club, and how best does the interraction with potential couples work best?

Finally, given my advancing years, at Artemis is there a fairly quiet area where I could recover between erotic bouts and read etc?

One more: I have a particular erotic attraction for women (any age) with bobbed hair, preferably dark-haired (there is another story behind this!). Are there any ladies in Artemis or other places and providers that the experts here know about could recommend to meet this specific fantasy.

Cheers again.

The Limey

03-14-11, 09:45

I've been to Siramanee (Fasanenstrasse 60 in Wilmersdorf) a couple of times, and can thoroughly recommend it. I paid 50 EUR on both occasions, and the girl gave me a skilled massage and brought me off with a HJ. Very friendly service, nice surroundings, and good value.

One hot tip: when you first go there, you will be greeted by a single woman and you might get the impression that she is the only one there. She might not be to your taste. Just politely ask to see the other girls before you decide to leave.

Rocketboy0

03-14-11, 10:29

Compton. To your Q's.

1. Mon Cheri on Sophie Charlotte Platz. Is it still there,

Long gone amigo,

2. Does anyone have a view about my age (late 40s, though still highly presnetable, ahem!). Is this really too old for this club, and how best does the interraction with potential couples work best?

Age irrelevant and fine. Interaction, well, just go with the flow. Observe the vibes. When in doubt, just ask. It will depend on each couple-no clear rules. Just dress fine, kind of urban black elegant, to get in the door. That will be your greatest hurdle. The rest is easy.

3. Finally, given my advancing years, at Artemis is there a fairly quiet area where I could recover between erotic bouts and read etc?

Yes. Several places, though the lighting is not great. Behind pool area near downstairs bar the best.

4. One more: I have a particular erotic attraction for women (any age) with bobbed hair, preferably dark-haired (there is another story behind this!).

(Ah, so your "finally" above was actually a lie). Anyway, many Art's girls even bob their hair before oral activities, especially long haired ones. Lots of dark haired girls around. If you are so inclined, bring a pencil along or bobbing thing. Art's girls are used to all sorts of perverse requests so yours will not be a stretch. But you better be skilled at how you request this-keeping it very low key. I know I would be put off by someone asking me to try to look like someone else during fucking, rather than having them desire me for me. But that's just because I'm a sensitive kind of guy. Good luck.

Compton Anstey

03-14-11, 21:56

Rocket Boy. Many thanks for taking the time to respond.

Shame about Mon Cheri, but no surprise really, I suppose.

I will write a report of how I fare at the various locations of lust.

ColonelDecker

03-15-11, 01:50

Lestrade

03-15-11, 19:00

Anyone had the pleasure of meeting Leonie at Kamilla Dee?

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/leonie.htm

I notice she is back on the roster this week and has certainly caught my eye on the website.

Lestrade

03-15-11, 19:11

I'd like to meet a girl in Berlin who is very energetic, tigerist, who likes to go on top, who is not afraid to be a little rough. I know a lot of this depends of chemistry and if you click, but I would still like to hear recommendations and experience.

Rocketboy0

03-16-11, 10:29

Rocket Boy. Many thanks for taking the time to respond.
I will write a report of how I fare at the various locations of lust.

We report. You decide. For what it's worth, very brief report on the latest rounds. You should not miss at least a scouting visit to Liberty, Kamilla Dee, van Kempen, maybe Royal & Mon Rouge. Check their websites and I would call to see if objects of desire are in, on the day, at the hour needed. You don't need to book but at least you'll know when someone is free. A little planning will save you a lot of wasted time. All within fairly short travel distance in West Side of city-and it argues strongly for getting a BVG public transit day pass at EUR 6+ and use both buses and U / S Bahns (assuming they are not on strike.). You sound experienced, so maybe this is unneeded, but in the private apartments, don't feel pressured, take a little time during show and tell to talk with candidates and see if there is a vibe and that they are amenable to your specific needs. Don't be afraid to walk out. Most apartments have 2 shifts. The early one til 1600, and then the later. Mondays and Fridays tend to be busier in privates. Probably dealing with the prior weekend's release from family, and the upcoming one. Artemis is really an evening thing, although as Kimino Charley123 and I felt last night - Mon & Tues can be a little slow there, and Wed night is dessous nite which means lots of useful body parts covered and I think it actually hurts the vibe a little. Thurs-Sat best nights there, and on the weekend, crowds not an issue until maybe 2230, if then (outside Messe time). Regardless of the day, things don't really ramp up til 1930-2000 (and the smaller day shift team will still be there) , although of course you could still just come and go as you wish. On the finance side. With one girl, the private apartments & Artemis are essentially a wash (including Art's meal, wellness stuff, and hang time). With more than one partner, Artemis economies of scale become more compelling, but in general, IMHO there is a slight edge of quality and service in the private flats, with 45 min norm. But it is of course much more hit and miss whether what you want will actually be there when you are. Hence the need for a little plan. We wait your reports. Good luck.

The Limey

03-16-11, 16:27

We report. You decide. For what it's worth, very brief report on the latest rounds. You should not miss at least a scouting visit to Liberty, Kamilla Dee, van Kempen, maybe Royal & Mon Rouge. Check their websites and I would call to see if objects of desire are in, on the day, at the hour needed.When you're picking a girl, you can either decide by looking at their profiles on the website and checking the schedule and phoning, or you can go there and get a lineup. The disadvantage of going by the website is that most of their faces are blurred out, and you won't know in advance if you really click with the girl. If you go by lineup, you get a chance to see her in person and say Hello, at least. On the other hand, you won't know all the things she supports and doesn't support.

One of the reasons Kamilla Dee is my favourite is that you can look at the website and see if the girl likes DFK or not. It may sound silly but for me personally kissing is an essential part of the experience. Without it, I don't really know where to start with a girl. It eases me into the mood, and the girl too I think. I've had problems with this at Artemis (an FKK, a different sort of club) but never at KD.

The girls at KD often describe themselves as part-timers, girls who have other jobs and just work there one or two days a week as a "bit of fun". This is a great concept.

In general I'm a big fan of the Berlin scene. Previously I've mongered in poor countries where girls often seemed to have no choice but to do the work they did due to crushing unemployment. By contrast Berlin is a first-world, well-educated city but still quite liberal sexually: the girls have not been too spoiled by the good economy. I wish the English-speaking world could pull off that trick!

How does Germany achieve its success? I think for me this country begins to answer a big What-If. What if men didn't do the compete-to-the-death thing for women as in the US and UK? What if they shared them? True, most women prefer monogamy and are not going to go for that system, but there is always that healthy minority of women who like to experiment and have sex with many men in pleasant and discreet surroundings. They may meet men of many nationalities and learn things and find opportunities that other women do not.

With careful organization, as in the apartment bordello system, or the FKK system, the worst neuroses concerning sex in Western culture start to evaporate. Even here there are many imperfections I could point to, but the potential is awesome.

The Limey

03-16-11, 20:49

tell me more. does the girl get naked and massage you with her body or is it just a basic rub 'and' tug?i wouldn't dismiss it as a rub and tug. yes there are extra services available for more than the 50 euro. but for me the important thing is not the sheer amount of service but the authenticity and sincerity with which it is delivered. is the girl merely touching you, or is she "feeling" you? the accidental rub of her thighs, the surprise of a wanton caress, the spontaneous generosity, and not just where she puts her hands but where she puts yours. there is so much you can learn about a girl from the way she touches you, often more than from her speech. all of this is more interesting and erotic than a jade who simply points her gaping anus at you and tells you to get on with it.

for contrast consider my experience with aya at yoko massage last week. a beautiful nude oiled japanese, smiling throughout, gave me a highly skilled massage with all of her body. and yet she could not make me come, and i won't be back there. why not? just a lack of being-there on her part, subtle and impossible to learn through skill alone, yet all important in the world of the sensory spirit.

Bobo.fr

03-19-11, 00:02

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In general I'm a big fan of the Berlin scene. .

Hello,

Is this post (2011-03-13 : http://www.ignatzmice.com********viewtopic.php?f=15&t=18034) yours?

The Limey

03-19-11, 09:47

Is this post yours?It seems we have already met in a different dimension, M. Bobo.

The Limey

03-19-11, 09:51

I recently had the pleasure of a massage from Elena, the owner of Ekstase. Others have commented on her hard unsmiling face, but maybe that is just Kazakh culture. In fact, she brings a friendly and mature attitude (oh and a smoking hot body) to the profession.

I was feeling like something different so I picked the Greek massage, at which her eyeballs nearly popped out. All credit to her though, she recovered quickly and leapt into action, giving me a two-handed virtuoso performance for about thirty minutes of continuous pleasure before we lapsed into gentler matters. You know I'd forgotten about the three-inch nails these girls sport. Yee-ouch! But if you're as twisted as I am, it's all to the good.

She kissed me on the cheek on the way out and invited me back. Recommended.

By the way, the girls' faces are blurred out on the website. I accept they all have great bodies but I have what you might call a beautiful-face fetish. Does anybody know of any real lookers at Ekstase?

Member #4626

03-21-11, 18:04

Wedensday: Klixstraße 37 (http://klix37.de/)

Was planning to go to artemis later that day and this place was near my hotel and I payed a visit.

I was surprised by the line up of 15 girls. I didn't expected so many girls in such an unknown and little brothel.

Chose Isabelle for 30 minuets and kissing (extra 10). Nothing special and the kissing was only for 2 minuets over all session.

Thursday:

Went for "window shopping" on Oranienburger straße about 8 pm, was small raining and no SW.

Then went to Blücherstraße, some SW and no one pretty (was coming from Artemis, so no pretty compared to line up from Artemis).

Friday: Thai massage (http://thai-team.de/)

Went for a massage. The mama-sen told me to wait for 10 minuets.

The masseuse: named PIM. 29 years old, pretty face, good massage and one of the best hand job with soft and slow strokes.

I have also posted a report about my Artemis visit in Artemis thread.

Turn Around

03-21-11, 20:25

I can not say for sure having no first hand experience. But Euphoria does not have a stellar reputation. The German punters tend to say that it is over priced. The good news is some of the girl do much more than massage. But for what it is you pay more than at a bordello. Some how I think the thrill is (for some) to believe that you are getting something you shouldn't. Thus they are willing to pay more. My question-why not just go to a bordello?

AMI get what you're saying, but I actually want a professional massage in a massage studio. It's important with the correct vibe; lights, smell, music, oil etc. I know some of the bordellos girls are good, but pro? And the vibe in a bordello is not quite there. And I don't want intercourse, just a simple hand job/"happy finish".

So to me, that's the big difference between a massage studio and a bordello. I like the tease, the touching.

I feel it's more sensual and sexual than sex in a bordello.

But thank you for the tips on other massage studios. I will check them out.

BTW: do you, or any of you guys, know of a sex shop in central Berlin / easy to get to?

I want to buy some toys, maybe a penis ring since I've heard those are increasing pleasure a lot during sex. I haven't tried one yet.

And maybe they have some other naughty features there I can bring to a bordello.

The Limey

03-21-11, 20:45

True, the sleek Eastern Europeans have a certain cool charm, but for me nothing can match the hot spirit of Latinas. A Cuban Carnaval Queen for you:

http://www.liberty-berlin.de/malou.html

She made my afternoon. Recommended.

Allover

03-22-11, 04:48

Angus Magee

03-22-11, 08:31

BTW: do you, or any of you guys, know of a sex shop in central Berlin / easy to get to?

I want to buy some toys, maybe a penis ring since I've heard those are increasing pleasure a lot during sex. I haven't tried one yet.

And maybe they have some other naughty features there I can bring to a bordello. I am pretty sure there is a Beate Uhse sex shop close to the "Zoo" Bahnhof. It is attached to the sex museum that is within a 5 minute walk from the station. They are not the best sex shops in the world but carry everything you need.

The museum itself is interesting but not really worth the admission in my opinion.

AM

Angus Magee

03-22-11, 08:38

I have a few questions about Berlin. I'll only be there for one night (then on to Hamburg and Amsterdam) but I always wanted to try a Kino. I've read the forum and most posts about kinos are old. Are there any kinos with good looking girls? I read about Kino 26 on Dominicusstrasse. Is that one still open? They had a Thai girl there at one time and I like Asians. Can anybody recommend a Kino preferably near Kudamm area?

During my last visit 20 years ago there were some nice SWs on Kudamm. Do they have street girls on Kudamm? Other posts here say Orienburgerstrasse is the place for SWs.

Thanks for any help. Yes Kino 26 is still up and running and when I last visited (some time ago) staffed mainly by Thais with a couple of surly EE girls to round out the line up. Paulos, just round the corner, is another option in that neighbourhood. Their line up is the opposite-mostly EE with a coule of Thai girls to add flavor. Both shops are reasonable for sex kinos but don't expect great beauty or GFE service.

I have also heard that the Kudamm used to have street walkers. Since I have lived here in Berlin (8 years) I have never seen any evidence of this. I think it was so 20 years ago but not now. There is a stroll close to the Kudamm, behind the Zoo Bahnhof but I think the girls are mostly pretty low, junkies and crack addicts. If that floats your boat have a look and please do report back your findings.

As for Orienburgerstrasse, good luck with that. The SWs there may look good but rarely have I heard of anyone having a good experience there. They are hard core hookers and hustlers whose sole aim is to separate you from your cash with a minimum of fuss and service. Spend you money at Artemis where you at least have the chance of a fun time.

AM

Diet Coke

03-22-11, 22:05

Wedensday: Klixstraße 37 (

http://klix37.de/

)

Was planning to go to artemis later that day and this place was near my hotel and I payed a visit.

I was surprised by the line up of 15 girls. I didn't expected so many girls in such an unknown and little brothel.

Chose Isabelle for 30 minuets and kissing (extra 10). Nothing special and the kissing was only for 2 minuets over all session.

Thursday:

Went for "window shopping" on Oranienburger straße about 8 pm, was small raining and no SW.

Then went to Blücherstraße, some SW and no one pretty (was coming from Artemis, so no pretty compared to line up from Artemis).

Friday: Thai massage (

http://thai-team.de/

)

Went for a massage. The mama-sen told me to wait for 10 minuets.

The masseuse: named PIM. 29 years old, pretty face, good massage and one of the best hand job with soft and slow strokes.

I have also posted a report about my Artemis visit in Artemis thread.
How much for the 30 minutes at KLIX? What did it include and any info on other extra prices?

Total cost at Thai team? What touch of PIM was allowed?

Lime73

03-23-11, 01:03

Lime73

03-23-11, 01:08

First time poster,

I've got a few newbie-questions. I'm planning to visit Berlin this weekend.

- I've read that van Kampen is a bit unwelcoming towards foreigners / those who don't speak english. Is this true? I really want to visit that place, but I don't speak a word of German, unfortunately.

- And, probably a silly question, but. Do you bring your own protection to establishments like Kampen and Kamilla D, or are the girls armed with their own quality rubber that they wrap their visitors in? .

Thanks,

F.

Angus Magee

03-23-11, 07:13

My first post on these forums. . =

I've got a few newbie-questions. I'm planning to visit Berlin this weekend.

- I've read that van Kampen is a bit unwelcoming towards foreigners / those who don't speak english. Is this true? I really wanted to visit that place, but I don't speak a word of German unfortunately.

- This is probably answered elsewhere, but. Do most establishments (like Kampen and Kamilla D.) provide the visitors with condoms etc, or are you expected to bring your own?

Thanks,

F. Well. I think VK is unfriendly to non native German speakers. Rockeboy claims they are unfriendly to everyone. We debate the finer points over coffee but do not come to any definitive conclusion. Perhaps I should soften my stand on the place considering I have not visited it for some years now.

Bottom line it is a fine bordello with some beautiful girls in attendance and with a slight attitude. For my money there is better available. But give it a shot and report back. We could use a new perspective.

Any bordello will supply the condom not just the better ones.

Rocketboy0

03-23-11, 09:43

Well. I think VK is unfriendly to non native German speakers. Rockeboy claims they are unfriendly to everyone. We debate the finer points over coffee but do not come to any definitive conclusion. Perhaps I should soften my stand on the place considering I have not visited it for some years now.

Bottom line it is a fine bordello with some beautiful girls in attendance and with a slight attitude. What I said was at times they can be a little disorganized (appointment mess ups, some waiting delays). But I have never noticed any unfriendliness. I can't speak really about foreigners or language as I speak Deutsch passably. But I would say this. Berlin is one of the most open, tolerant cities around. North German culture itself is a little clipped, and reserved, especially with strangers. It is not a service / consumer culture where complete strangers earnestly ask you are and wish you to have a nice day, etc. At higher volume hours, things possibly get abrupt. But I do not think this really is unfriendly at all. (As a former NYC resident, I have standards. And on a bad day even there you can be royally abused). So, I would not hesitate to head over to v. K as there really are some stunners, and you are not there to chat with the management. If you are open, presentable and friendly it will be reciprocated as after all, this is business. Just say you can't speak German. No big deal. And really what is the worst that can happen. You leave and head to Kamilla Dee close by. But I would agree on the price thing-it is about 20 EUR higher per session with extras than say Liberty. They are probably trying to attract a slightly more upscale market, and with a slightly more upscale staff. Diff strokes. Just go.

Bobo.fr

03-23-11, 21:58

Do most establishments (like Kampen and Kamilla D.) provide the visitors with condoms etc, or are you expected to bring your own?

Thanks,

F. The "establishments" provide condoms, towels but certainly not Viagra (lol; by the way, with this new software I can not put sign of smiley nor multiple dots meaning "etc")

Angus Magee

03-24-11, 07:37

(lol; by the way, with this new software I can not put sign of smiley nor multiple dots meaning "etc")I believe that Jackson dislikes the chat room style of communication on the forum and has thus disabled these functions. There may well be a way of getting around it but in the end it is too much effort to try.

:)

That is if you make the post, go back into edit you can then add emotes. Go figure?

Charlie 123

03-24-11, 19:30

Hi.

Pursuant to my somewhat bizarre debut last week at KLD, I went back on Monday and picked out from the rather thin line-up Clarissa:-

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/frames_d.htm

Very sexy-looking busty blonde in perhaps her late 20's, great figure, fabulous tits and legs, quite a pretty face. Speaks excellent English. Very friendly and chatty.

Agreed a 40 minute session@120E. Expert BBBJ, nice light kissing, enthusiastic fuck. Slightly overdone with the moaning and acting, but all-round a super performance from a pleasant girl. Went 30 minutes over time, so total damage was 200E.

Recommended.

I will make further visits to this classy bordelle over the next few weeks. Any specific recommendations most welcome.

Charlie

Charlie 123

03-24-11, 19:45

Last month I entertained Sarah chez moi, and she was pretty good. This time, upon the recommendation of the telephonist, I went for Julia:-

http://www.escortmodelle24.de/escortservice_06.html

The photos on the website are flattering, to say the least. In her pics she looks like a well-stacked girl with a decent body. In reality, she is very 'Rubenesque' indeed. Her face is not as pretty as in her pics and she has massive pendulous tits that hang down over her equally generous belly!

Confident and experienced pro with a pleasant attitude. She changed into a basque, which had the effect of 'slimming her down' somewhat, but the overall impression remained of a 'big girl'. BBBJ, kissing and fucking were all average +. A decent pro performance. When she lay on her back and pressed her tits together with her arms she looked quite sexy, but once she stood up again the horrible reality once again came to the fore!

I'd have liked to see her take a shower either before or after our session. Instead a quick rinse of her fanny in my sink was the full extent of her contribution to hygiene.

100E. No repeat.

I still like this agency and will try at least one more of their stable at some point. Pricing structure and reliability is good, but the pics on the website are somewhat misleading, so one needs to pick out a real stunner (like Sandra or Victoria perhaps) to end up with one that is moderately good-looking.

Charlie

The Limey

03-24-11, 23:50

I've been reading some of the German language forums and one thing that struck me is that the recommendations there are quite different than on this forum. For instance on one forum there are a million posts on the girls at Van Kampen. But here VK is considered unfriendly to foreigners.

I haven't visited VK myself so I don't know if that is true. However, I believe there is a difference between the way some brothels treat Germans and foreigners. One thing I've noticed for sure is that many lower-end places (La Dolce Vita I and King George come to mind) will routinely try to rip off non-German speakers. The idea is: you're not going to be back, you don't count.

The better bordellos such as Kamilla la Dee, Liberty, and Tiffany strive a bit harder to preserve their tourist-dollar income stream.

Angus Magee

03-25-11, 08:32

Expert BBBJ, nice light kissing, enthusiastic fuck. Slightly overdone with the moaning and acting, but all-round a super performance from a pleasant girl. Went 30 minutes over time, so total damage was 200E.So it this some sort of official admission that BBBJ is in fact easily available at KD? A policy change? Please give us details as to how you pulled this off Charlie.

You are the Jedi Monger from now on as far as I am concerned.

AM

Rocketboy0

03-25-11, 08:34

I've been reading some of the German language forums and one thing that struck me is that the recommendations there are quite different than on this forum. For instance on one forum there are a million posts on the girls at Van Kampen. But here VK is considered unfriendly to foreigners.Limey lad. I posted on this earlier (with a slightly misspelled title). IMHO this is just not true. There are some minor differences of opinion here but it is not a damning verdict. If you look at the vK home page website, at the bottom, it is available in no less than 4 other European languages. Now let us ponder-why would they do that? Why of course. To scare off the ferners. Then of course there is the mix of races and nationalities on their crack staff. So I propose you go there, have a great time, and let us all, yet again, declare an end to WWII and move on.

Horny Harry

03-25-11, 09:59

[QUOTE=The Limey; 1137358]I've been reading some of the German language forums and one thing that struck me is that the recommendations there are quite different than on this forum. For instance on one forum there are a million posts on the girls at Van Kampen. But here VK is considered unfriendly to foreigners. QUOTE]So why not play the game a little bit better and tell the girls that you are an ex-pat that has just moved to Berlin? Or tell them that you are a businessman who is very frequently in Berlin?

Whilst treating the girls with respect, perhaps it's an idea to also give these girls an incentive to treat YOU with respect with the prospect of more future visits / business.

Charlie 123

03-25-11, 10:56

So it this some sort of official admission that BBBJ is in fact easily available at KD? A policy change? Please give us details as to how you pulled this off Charlie.

You are the Jedi Monger from now on as far as I am concerned.

AMOoops.

How indiscreet of me! I forgot about the KLD rule about covered BJ's. Perhaps I oughtn't to have advertised Clarissa's circumvention of house procedures so openly. The whole thing just completely slipped my mind.

I can't explain how and why the issue of BBBJ never surfaced in my session with Clarissa. When the appropriate moment came, she just started a BBBJ without the issue of a condom being mentioned in any way. No doubt she was so overtaken by passion that she just couldn't resist!

I don't know, Angus, whether the KLD restrictions have been simply dropped or whether I was the fortunate beneficiary of a rare relaxation of house procedures. I guess that the girls have certain discretion to do BBBJ if they know the customer and have reason to suppose that he is 'clean'. Certainly that is the impression in a recent conversation that I got from a seasoned monger who attends KLD regularly.

As stated, I will be revisiting KLD in the forthcoming weeks, so we shall see if a trend emerges. In the meantime I hope that my indiscriminate post doesn't cause any trouble for the girl in question. I doubt whether this board is scrutinised as carefully as the German language forums, so hopefully not.

Charlie

Charlie 123

03-25-11, 11:19

Limey lad. I posted on this earlier (with a slightly misspelled title). IMHO this is just not true. There are some minor differences of opinion here but it is not a damning verdict. If you look at the vK home page website, at the bottom, it is available in no less than 4 other European languages. Now let us ponder-why would they do that? Why of course. To scare off the ferners. Then of course there is the mix of races and nationalities on their crack staff. So I propose you go there, have a great time, and let us all, yet again, declare an end to WWII and move on.Most people prefer 'their own kind'. Most nations are distrusting of foreigners. In my experience, Brits, French, Spanish and Swiss residents are all suspicious and somewhat hostile to foreigners and I'm sure that the same applies to other nationalities with whom I am not quite so familiar.

German prefer other Germans to foreigners. This is entirely natural and common. I suspect that this 'discrimination' applies to a slightly greater degree in the Pay-For-Sex world than it does elsewhere for understandable reasons. The Germans have a liberated view towards prostitution that does not manifest itself to an equal degree elsewhere in Europe. If you work in the sex trade in Berlin, either as a prostitute or in management, you would have reasonable grounds to suppose that a German national is more likely to be respectful to working girls and generally 'cool' about interacting with prostitutes than any randomly-selected foreigner.

So, I think that there is nothing sinister at all about the likes of vK being perhaps slightly more welcoming to fellow Germans than to foreigners. It's just normal human behaviour. I find the Germans to be extremely friendly and welcoming as a people, and I have never had a problem in any of the clubs I have visited about being British. Can you imagine what sort of disrespect a Spaniard (for example) would encounter in an English brothel?

I think that this topic is a dead-end subject. I can't accept that their is any greater level of anti-foreigner bias in German clubs than you would find in any other nation, and most probably very much less.

Speaking German is a big help in this department. Being polite and suitably-attired will make you more welcome. Having hang-ups about 'the shitty way Germans threat their betters' is unlikely to endear one to the locals.

Charlie

The Limey

03-25-11, 14:14

I generally rate my experiences from 1 to 10 but after thinking about it, I would say they all fall into only three categories:

A) Great experiences with girls who really seem to like me, get turned on, don't say "no" to anything, and are basically trying to enjoy the session just as much as I am. They are often quite curious about me, as if planning for the future.

B) Experiences with girls who do a professional job and may act quite friendly, but nevertheless seem to hold themselves in reserve a lot. Many of these girls are perfectly nice. Some of them just don't "click" or "have chemistry" with me; others don't click with any guy because they have picked the wrong profession.

C)"Switch-girls". This is my name for girls who appear very nice on first meeting, but then do a U-turn of attitude once in the room. They are quite distinct from group B, although they may try to pretend to be of that nature. The difference is that group B are trying to deliver a real service, whereas switch-girls from the start have no intention of doing so. If a brothel's management knows about switch-girls and acts as if they have a right to act that way, then I would call it a "switch-house".

This covers nearly all cases I would say. Any opinions on more categories? Sub-categories? I suppose there might be a category for girls where you think,"Oh she is acting mean to me already, but she is so hot I just have to go for her!" But personally I have reached the age where I am past such girls.

I think the most promising thing about the Berlin scene is that as you get more into it, you can gradually filter out groups C and B, and concentrate on repeat business with group A. The least promising thing is the way a lot of people tolerate and indulge switch-girls and make this a viable business practice.

Member #4626

03-25-11, 18:21

How much for the 30 minutes at KLIX? What did it include and any info on other extra prices?

Total cost at Thai team? What touch of PIM was allowed?The 30 minutes cost was 50 Euro and included CBJ and sex. 10 extra for BBBJ (which I doesn't care if it is covered or bare back) and as stated 10 Euro for kissing.

Total cost at Thai team was 50 Euro for 1 hour massage included HJ. I don't know how much touching was allowed, but I went for it over clothes all places for some minutes and then just enjoyed the HJ.

The Limey

03-25-11, 18:37

Finally had a chance to check out this small brothel near Friedrich-Wilhelm-Platz U-Bahn. Went down the steps into the "bargain basement". Tomsen is a cheapish place but not a rip-off joint. There were only two girls there when I arrived. One of them seemed doable, so I picked her. The price there is 50 Euros for 30 minutes.

Helen from Frankfurt turned out to have a nice personality. As we got into it, I realized she was only honestly a 6 in looks, but she made up for it in enthusiasm. Kind of like I was her only client that day and she was determined to make the most of it. She gave me a great BJ, albeit covered. I had to stop her before I came, and we had sex in many crazy positions. She was a bit loose, so I didn't come until afterwards. But she was laughing a lot and got quite wet and I would say we both had a good time. Only one false note: a few times in the heat of passion she would move her face to kiss me, and then suddenly stop as if remembering something and turn it away again, which felt kind of weird.

Although I probably wouldn't repeat with that girl, I think it was value for money. I would go back to Tomsen now and again to see if they had a better lineup, while being prepared to move on if not.

The Limey

03-25-11, 20:45

Does anyone know of a good bordello which does NOT have the "extras" system? In other words a place that offers an all-inclusive deal, where everything is left up to the discretion of the two parties involved without trying to itemize things?

KD and Artemis are not too bad, but most other places seem to be very keen on the extras system. To me it is very much the Ryanair approach to sex: "And it will be another 5 euros to use the toilet, and another 10 euros if you ruffle the sheets, another 20 euros to touch the hostess's breasts, etc." It's a real turn-off. I am often baffled trying to remember what I have paid for and what I haven't.

Oh, and for historical interest, can any of the old hands here say when and how this system first started? To me it is an invention right up there with land mines and income tax.

Rocketboy0

03-26-11, 12:36

Does anyone know of a good bordello which does NOT have the "extras" system? In other words a place that offers an all-inclusive deal, where everything is left up to the discretion of the two parties involved without trying to itemize things?.This may exist in part of Asia, but here, what you seek is covered only by 2 institutions:

1 / Girlfriend.

2 / Wife.

And some might argue that even these institutions itemize things. Just that they are off budget.

Bobo.fr

03-26-11, 14:16

I don't like the extras systems either BUT I'm not ready to pay the "all included" price for services I don't use (SM, Clinik, anal, CIM+swallow, pissing, DP. Etc.) : so finally, the extras system is OK for me.

Eddy Berlin

03-26-11, 18:31

does anyone know of a good bordello which does not have the "extras" system? in other words a place that offers an all-inclusive deal, where everything is left up to the discretion of the two parties involved without trying to itemize things?one girl rather than bordello springs to mind, namely lolitadeluxe.

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/kontakte/w-girl-6160-0.html

though i've never tried her and so would feel uneasy about recommending this one, since i know there are good and very bad reports about her on the german forums and her real age is close to 30.

Merkur

03-26-11, 18:54

Yes, the extra system is a bit annoying and I wondered about this myself. But haven't really found any studios in Berlin which has all included. Mostly oral without is an extra in Berlin. As I see see it this is a major difference from NRW (such as Köln and Düsseldorf) At least most of the places in NRW has oral without included in the price. As in term of the prices in Berlin when it comes to extra I find Tiffany to be the best value for money. But in my opinion its not as much about wanting it cheap as the extra policy can be a little bit of a mood breaker or cause some "up selling". When you pay a price for "all" at least things will go more naturally and not go something like this:

"Customer: Can I cum on your face?"

Girl: "Sure, just give me 50€ extra".

Theres also some real ridicoulus extra services, like mutual shower, or kissing. I think the best oppurtunity for "all included" services in Berlin is to go for girls working alone. If you haven't already, try Veronique. A bit pricey at 200€ an hour but service is top notch and everything included.

http://www.click-veronique.de/

I don't like the extras systems either BUT I'm not ready to pay the "all included" price for services I don't use (SM, Clinik, anal, CIM+swallow, pissing, DP. Etc.) : so finally, the extras system is OK for me.

Alex771

03-26-11, 23:30

Hi guys!

Do you know of any good looking girls (<30yo) who like to receive a gentle pussy fisting? It is a big fetish of mine and I'm going to Berlin soon, so. Any tips are much appreciated!

Angus Magee

03-27-11, 08:27

Gentlemen, I think it helps to remember a few things here. First, Germany (Berlin Specifically) is one of the most inexpensive places to monger in the world when you take into account the over all cost of living and the quality you can find. To expect that this does not come at a cost is naive. Second, the girls who do this are in business. We can no more expect them to give it away than we can expect ourselves to give our services away. This is not to say that you can never expect a break, but first you have to show yourself to be a solid repeat customer.

My experience in brothels is that if I am a solid repeat customer I will get the occasional break. But this does not mean that I get it for free. It simply means that the girl will relax a bit, give me a break in the over all cost on occasion and be a generous with her time.

I guess a brothel could go the other way, make the hourly rate higher and include all the extras, but as I understand it most German punters are more comfortable with the pay for services received model of business.

For me, what I search for, is a girl who I genuinely like who seems to sort of like me. Then I make sure she knows that I am not trying to get something for nothing. I am willing to pay for my pleasure and concerned that she makes her fee. She shows her appreciation by me not always having to speak up (Me:I want to cum in your face. Her:€30 please) in the midst of passion. But she knows I will take care of her. In other words, we develop a relationship of sorts. I also don't then blab all over town (and on the forum) that the girl will take a load in the face for free.

There are some lower end brothels, that in an effort to attract business, will include BBBJ in the basic cost (Mac in NeuKöln is one) but you will have to pay to cum in her mouth. Sorry that is the way it is. Incidentally, if you can find a girl that appeals to you at Mac it is a great bargain. The BBBJ in included and the cim is only €10. So a half hour with cim works out to €60 which can not be beat really. The only drawback is that not all the girls working there are stunners. So you have to fund one that somehow appeals to you and again, become a regular.

As Merkur points out it is also possible to find an indy girl who will do this. Veronique is well regarded by the Germans albiet at a fairly high cost. But she does deliver by all accounts. There is also the occasional indy escort who appears on the scene and gives this sort of deal and service. Generally though they do not last too long as the guys are all over them and the service soon drops. That, I feel, is just how it goes in the business of satisfying the more depraved desires of the monger.

AM

Lime73

03-27-11, 14:50

Hi.

Agreed a 40 minute session@120E. Expert BBBJ, nice light kissing, enthusiastic fuck. Slightly overdone with the moaning and acting, but all-round a super performance from a pleasant girl. Went 30 minutes over time, so total damage was 200E.

CharlieHmm. Visited KLD for the first time this weekend, and I was told they did everything safe. No BB'ing.

Anyway, did an hour with Liz on Thursday, Kat on Friday and Pia yesterday.

Never been happier, all amazing girls with their own styles and traits.

A good weekend in Berlin. . =

D.

Tommyh80

03-27-11, 21:32

After a great session with a beautiful turkish girl at Livingroom 1 year ago, I'd like a repeat. I have searched the forum and will probably visit this girl in Berlin, tough she doesn't look as beautiful as the turkish girl I fucked last year: http://www.myescortberlin.com/girl/Cermin.html

Anyone have any other turkish girls to recommend? I also have this thing for Filipino girls, so if anyone know where in Berlin I can find a Filipino, please let me know.

Rocketboy0

03-28-11, 08:31

Anyone have any other turkish girls to recommend?Istanbul's finest:

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/Sybel.html

Very passionate. Of course your mileage may vary. Recommended, big time.

Angus Magee

03-28-11, 09:58

Istanbul's finest:

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/Sybel.html

Very passionate. Of course your mileage may vary. Recommended, big time. And I will add that there are plenty of Turkish girls working in the smaller bordellos of Neuköln. But as always in this game YMMV. Over all, and if the cash is there, I think RB's below recommendation is a good one.

AM

Charlie 123

03-28-11, 20:59

Istanbul's finest:

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/Sybel.html

Very passionate. Of course your mileage may vary. Recommended, big time. Seconded. A terrific girl.

C

Mrfuckdick

03-29-11, 02:04

I had experience in Freudenhaus Hase (not sure if I remember the name correctly) , it was a nice enough eastern girl with a big fucking nose, the size of a baked potato. But the ass and everything was good and she was compliant in a distant and cold whorish manner that I really enjoyed. Good one.

Then I went to some kind of strip club in the west were they had a flat rate, its called Caligula. This place is disgusting (from my experience). I didn't do the flatrate but took a quicke 20 min. 20 euro. Cheap sure, but the girl was not okay. . The man outside said that all the women were between 18-26, and okay I of course didn't beleive that that would be true but nor did I expect that it would be double that age. The woman I fucked had severe hygiene issues and barely any teeth. She was really gifted technically. Probably because she had already been in the biz for 40 years. Her tits swung every which way and I was afraid they would knot themself around my kneck and strangle me if I fucked her to hard, at the same time I wanted it all to be over so I couldn't go to slow. Every stroke reminded me of how grim age is with us all and also what it might be like to fuck my grandmother.

The smell from her vagina was like if she hadn't washed it during her whole career as a 20 euro hooker. It was a disgusting experience that will haunt me for a long time and keep me from working girls and other loose women. There are some things a man shouldn't have to go through. We are frail creatures.

Charlie 123

03-29-11, 10:06

Angus Magee

03-29-11, 11:20

The smell from her vagina was like if she hadn't washed it during her whole career as a 20 euro hooker. It was a disgusting experience that will haunt me for a long time and keep me from working girls and other loose women. There are some things a man shouldn't have to go through. We are frail creatures.Yikes-this report should come with a warning. Almost had to take a shower after reading.

Anyway thanks for the report. Always good to know this stuff. I hear that many Caligula girls go work the stroll (which is just a few blocks away) when business is slow.

AM

Tommyh80

03-29-11, 21:13

Istanbul's finest:

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/Sybel.html

Very passionate. Of course your mileage may vary. Recommended, big time. Thanks, I will visit. She do BBBJ? On this trip I will try to fuck the mot beautiful girls in Berlin :-D

Wanking

03-29-11, 22:05

The smell from her vagina was like if she hadn't washed it during her whole career as a 20 euro hooker. It was a disgusting experience that will haunt me for a long time and keep me from working girls and other loose women. There are some things a man shouldn't have to go through. We are frail creatures.I suppose we can all be safe in assuming that you didn't LICK the foul smelling, offending orifice???!!!

Ha ha great post BTW

Hektor T

03-30-11, 19:19

There is a new high end bar opened up in Mitte. It seems to be in the same league as Bel Ami and reports say it is expensive. Admission is free, a picolo of Möet €55. Room costs with a girl seem to be around the €200 / hr. Mark. The quality of the girls is said to be a bit weak at the moment but it has only been open less than a month. These things can take a while I guess.

http://www.barrouge.de/homepage_en.html

Any one feeling rich might like to check it out and send a quick report. Hektor?

AMI'll have to put that on my to-do list, without much hope of getting it done! Mostly in London these days!

The Limey

03-31-11, 00:07

Angus Magee

03-31-11, 06:13

I just noticed the position of Romania and Bulgaria on the the European Corruption Perceptions Index, and wondered if anybody knows the nationality of the people who manage clubs like Caligula (which I have never tried) and King George (which, regrettably, I have).

What about the bordellos in general? Mostly run by Germans? As far as I know the KG is Romanian owned & operated. In its' defence I would say that the KG is not in any way a rip off. It may be a wee down market but they deliver what they promise, as much sex & drink as you want for 100 euros. That the sex is not great is to be expected in such an atmosphere but when I went it was no trouble at all getting the girls to go to the rooms.

Also I found the management and the girls pretty friendly. As I live close by I pass by frequently and the manager still says Hello, when I see him. I even ran into him and Petronella one day in the local Aldi supermarket and got a nod. Which was a bit weird but nice.

In the end I find the KG remains very much on my list of places I recommend, with a few caveats.

AM

Stannyboy

03-31-11, 11:32

Anywhere I can get a quick BJ? No sex. Massage + BJ is also ok.

The Limey

03-31-11, 13:33

In the end I find the KG remains very much on my list of places I recommend, with a few caveats.

AMYes, I remember your long, very informative report on the KG. And the caveats. One of the best points was:

If at all possible I suggest not visiting the King without a good wingman.The overall impression is that this is a place where the guys must struggle to impress the girls at least as much as vice-versa. Which I suppose would be fair enough, say, in a regular club. The question then becomes: why not visit a regular dance club and pick up a regular girl? Why pay 99 Euros to enter a dodgy Romanian den and then have to play the same games you would have to play anywhere else?

There was a report here by a guy here who went to KG, got a bit dissatisfied with the sex, and decided to drink 100 Euros of alcohol to compensate. I could tell he was doing his best to be upbeat about the whole experience. But don't we have a duty to let newcomers know what they are really in for?

Skagen

04-01-11, 01:25

Report on Alexandra at Gelle Modelle (http://www.geile-modelle.de/alexandra.html) I had called for Jenny, but she was not available and Alexandra was. Agency is low priced at 100 Eu and FO and two pops are included in that price. So it it's bargain basement territory.

This report ranges from the sublime to the ridiculous:

The good news is Alexandra is a legit 19 with a very tight, low-mileage snatch - frankly I have not had anything this tight in my experience in this hobby. Alexandra has gained a little bit of weight from the pictures, which is actually a plus at it fills her out a bit better and still only leaves her at thin - she is in zero danger of being overweight. Better yet, she has fuller tits than the pictures, probably up to a full B-cup and they are firmer than I could possibly ever explain to you. Arse is very shapely as well, was no sign of that in the pics either.

The bad news is well....that there is no such thing as a free lunch: Alexandra is a bit rougher looking than the pictures show, quite variable from light and cheerful to moody and resentful all in the space of minutes, has a relatively crude in bedside manner and by mutual agreement will probably not last the full 60 minutes of your appointment.

The really bad news is that "alles ohne" is apparently on offer, for those suicidally inclined and willing to pay a modest extra tip. This became clear, as it was offered. However, I'm not crazy enough to bang Romanian discount hookers uncovered - or any other hookers, for that matter, so I cut that line of discussion off right away and cannot tell you how much tip it would have required.

Each unto their own here, but, I would not repeat this one. For a small minority she may be worthwhile, but I could not in good conscience recommend this girl to all.

Hello, Guys,

I'm planning a short trip to Berlin. Anyone has any info regarding geile modelle. I will contribute when I'm back.

http://www.geile-modelle.de/girls.htm

Skagen

04-01-11, 01:35

http://klein-zierlich.de/escortservice-berlin-anna.html

A very pleasant and friendly Romanian girl, probably 20-27 yrs, hard to pin down an exact age. Looks very much like the pictures. Is a heavy smoker, which may be a negative for some. Stated height is probably close to correct. Add on another 5 kilos maybe, but still a very petitte girl.

Ann was very cheerful and enthusiastic, even more so than Lina of the same agency who is no slouch, so will be hard to complain there. FO / FT is available, as is AV (did not take up the latter so don't know if fee would have been involved for it). The FO was willing and all but she wasnt all that great at it. She is far behind Lina in that department. All main sex was done well.

Overall this girl will please many and is more than worth the 120 fee. My view is that Lina was pretter and more skilled all round. But that is no knock on Anna. If half the girls in this business gave her level of effort, well there'd be a hellova lot happier punters.

Skagen

04-01-11, 01:57

Angus Magee

04-01-11, 06:47

But don't we have a duty to let newcomers know what they are really in for?Of course call it as you see it. But I will point out that the KG does not promise anything it does not deliver and it does so with a certain amount of friendliness. Of the choices of flat rate in Berlin the KG is the place to go as far as I can see. But flatrate clubs are never going to be able to compete with some of the other choices except maybe in the area of cost. When went there I felt in no way ripped off. It is just that being used to Artemis I found the sex not that good. But it was not hard to get.

AM

Angus Magee

04-01-11, 20:07

Anywhere I can get a quick BJ? No sex. Massage + BJ is also ok.Never been here but this place is one of the few massage parlors that openly advertises french service.

http://www.relaxmassagen.de/index.htm

It is close to thee Hauptbahnhof.

A report would be nice.

AM

Oliver Ecke

04-01-11, 20:14

http://liberty-berlin.de/kelly.html

Kelly looks a bit different than her pics. Pretty face, a kind of girl next door look. Hair is a bit more blonde than the pics show and he has a kilo or two more weight on her, most of it well placed around her lovely hips and lush but shapely rear end. Overall effect is very womanly and tall, very impressive.

This is probably the most representative pic of what you see when meeting her in real life:

http://liberty-berlin.de/images/kelly/10.jpg

Website says age 27 I see here, although I would have probably guessed 3-4-5 years younger while I was there. She has a mature but very girlish personality. Very smooth but keeps everything light.

A top performer, this girl. Extremly poilished bedside manner, speaks native-level English in addition to German. FO was available, AV was also available. She did both expertly and was worth the extra on both. Full enthusism and effort in the main action. Massage was great, she even gave a stellar hand job too. Kelly clearly takes her work seriously and is damn good at it! I cannot recommend this girl enough. She simply was THAT good in action. Only girl I have seen elsewhere, who merited this much praise was Nataly at Bundesallee128. OMG, I saw this girl about fourteen months ago and she is so genuinely girl from next door attractive that she could definitely model for clothing catalogues ect. Think I stayed either 45 or 60 mins with her, with BJ, french kissing and a shag with her finishing slamming me on top after slowly building up pace.

Certainly speaks English with a strong native Southern English accent but told me that she was Danish but had lived and worked in England. Sort of guessed that she may be Polish as with Denmark being a wealthy nation I would have thought there would have been enough decent career opportunities available for a native of that country to have to travel to another country to work as a call girl, and she appeared far too healthy in body and mind to have any sort of dependency problems.

I would have aged her in the 24-28 age bracket and again so girl from next door that I never would have enquired whether she bummed! LOL Will probably be paying a fleeting visit to Berlin in May and will no doubt visit Liberty and I think I'll select her if she is there when I drop in.

Stannyboy

04-02-11, 15:37

Never been here but this place is one of the few massage parlors that openly advertises french service.

http://www.relaxmassagen.de/index.htm

It is close to thee Hauptbahnhof.

A report would be nice.

AMI don't see any french service on the list. Is that a massage place? Not really looking for a massage. I am looking for a quick BJ if there is.

BTW, what are these sex kinos I read about. Places offering BJs for 20 EUR? Wank for 10? Any good ones?

Angus Magee

04-03-11, 06:42

I don't see any french service on the list. Is that a massage place? Not really looking for a massage. I am looking for a quick BJ if there is.

BTW, what are these sex kinos I read about. Places offering BJs for 20 EUR? Wank for 10? Any good ones? As far as I know not all girls offer it. But this one does.

http://www.relaxmassagen.de/girl71.htm

"gegenseitige Massage oder tolles französisch"

Sex Kinos are exactly what you say. But I have explained them several times and given recommendations in the forum so you will have to do a search.

A

The Limey

04-03-11, 15:16

Nataly is a nice Latvian girl. She is friendly though not really chatty. She is not overly concerned with Time or Money, the two great causes of modern unhappiness.

http://www.bundesallee128.de/html/girls/modelle_detail.php?modell=4&id=

Nataly is not a stunner as suggested by some mongers in fits of gratitude. However, she does have a tall slim good young body. I would recommend her as a girl with a good attitude, and a pretty safe bet for anyone desiring an afternoon of relaxing and reasonably priced sensual enjoyment.

(30 minutes: 50 + 10 Euros).

The Limey

04-04-11, 18:30

Oliver Ecke

04-04-11, 20:11

For a long time I put off going to Van Kampen because of various comments on the board about xenophobia there. But I know there's a difference of opinion here, and it's one of the major institutions in Berlin, so I felt I would be remiss if I did not at least give it a try.

To get a good selection of girls, I showed up in the evening and was careful to only speak German on entering. There were about six girls, some pretty good lookers. I simply chose the one who seemed to have the nicest personality, Annabel.

Annabel came in with a drink of water. On learning that my preferred language was English, her manner changed, and she started to upsell. I explained that I wasn't interested in extras, but she kept at it. It was as if she wanted to drive me away, which is what happened.

Basically I don't think she was interested in my business, and in a way I'm grateful that she told me that before I handed over money rather than afterwards. In another way of course, I'm dissatisfied that she didn't even give me a chance. Some of my best sexual encounters have been with girls where we had only fragments of each other's languages and communicated using just our bodies.

So in summary, I wouldn't recommend VK.Hi The Limey,

I'm not stalking you but as the purpose of the Forum it seems is to deliver reports in order to assist mongerers in making choices for themselves I'll throw in my two bobs worth about VK. Have been their twice in the past year and while two visits may just mean that I was merely lucky both times, I found no negatives either time. First time almost everything was conducted in German and it would of been clear from my realatively limited German that I was not a native speaker. The Hausfrau who let me in was very friendly and all went smoothly. The second time it was a different Hausfrau who when it was clear I was foreign, brought in one of the English speaking girls; a black girl who was friendly and was enquring whether I had been there before. On both visits I picked an absolute sex bomb called Chantale who although quite stern looking goes about the business with amazing enthusiasm. She did not overtly try to push for extras though both times in the initial stages, she stood with her back to me and gyrated herself against me, grabbing my dick and rubbing it between her buttock cheeks; no doubt wanting me to ask for AV, which I probably will if she's still there when I next visit.

As I say, I may just have got lucky but did in no way feel discriminated against for being foreign.

Angus Magee

04-05-11, 07:26

I know I do tend to be a wee negative about VK. I have not been there now in probably 4-5 years. All I can say is that I did have a couple of really good sessions there but the last couple of times I went I felt distinctly under appreciated as a customer, not so much by the girls, rather by the whole intake procedure. I perhaps attributed this to my lack of German language skills, when I could have been some other reason. I do noot really know.

I then contrast my experience there with the way I am treated in Liberty or KD and other establishments. That is I am treated always very well with all the smiles, thank you's etc. One sort of expects in such a situation.

In the end I would say by all means visit VK if there is a particular girl there who really gets you going. I myself will spend my euros in other places.

AM

TroyBoy

04-05-11, 12:18

Just a quick note. I am at Tegal flying out. I just left ROYAL and stumbled on to LEA Monday morning 10am. 18 yr stunning body, blonde, fresh, no tattoos. 5'7" cute German. She speaks OK English learn in school not from boinking a thousand tourists. I can tell she has not been in business too long. She will not do BBBJ or kiss in mouth which normally is a big minus, but I attribute this to more inexperience and "new to the business" which is a big plus. Yesterday I stopped at Royal in afternoon and was presented 4- heavy 30yr olds and left. Timing is everything. This girl is so beautiful the only way you will get her is by appointment or be there when the doors open. Chances are she will be "busy" if you just walk in. Those in Berlin should meet her while she available. I just have a feeling this girl will not be in the business long.

Thank you Angus for the "walk with Angus videos"== I will do a better trip report when I have time once back in USA.

Angus Magee

04-05-11, 12:36

Thank you Angus for the "walk with Angus videos"== I will do a better trip report when I have time once back in USA.You are welcome and thanks for the tip. I have also had this experience at Royal. I am not sure if it something to do with their hiring policy (they will hire new girls with no experience?) but I have a couple of time stumbled upon a girl who just gives the vibe of being new. And they are rarely on the hp even. So you just have to go try your luck. In the long run such experiences can not be planned and this is why the are so good.

In this girl's case there are pics on the hp.

http://www.royalgirl.de/bordell-berlin/lea.html

Which does beg the question, is she in fact a complete newbie (she has a number of pics in different outfits and even with the face showing) or is she just a very good actress? One would have to go find out for one's self I think.

Or maybe it is a different Lea?

AM

The Limey

04-05-11, 13:52

Late twenties she has an extermely horny aura about her. Banged her in different possies then jizzed on her bod. Curiously, after we finished she made a call on a mobile phone to someone she told me diden't know she worked there. Could hear the gentlemans voice on the other end and they were talking in German about shopping and what she should bring in for tea. Thought it was well done I'm sure it was set up. So I'd leave there and tell the whole world that there is this place in Berlin were thay have real cheating housewives! Still, she wore a weding ring and was a real housewife and would fully recommend!That's a funny story. A few girls have made a point of telling me that they are married. I've been completely thrown by it every time. I couldn't tell if they were (1) simply telling the truth, (2) making a story to put me off, or (3) making a story to heighten the passion with the cheating housewife vibe.

Angus Magee

04-05-11, 15:48

That's a funny story. A few girls have made a point of telling me that they are married. I've been completely thrown by it every time. I couldn't tell if they were (1) simply telling the truth, (2) making a story to put me off, or (3) making a story to heighten the passion with the cheating housewife vibe.One of my ex-faves (married she told me) changed her name on me once, that is she suddenly disappeared from the roster only to appear again the next week with a new name. When I asked why she told me the story that her brother-in-law had shown up one day and she met him when doing the parade. As he was also married they mutually agreed not to say a word to their respective spouses. I have no idea if he picked her and carried on with the session. And I have no idea if the story was really true.

I have also had a girl I was banging doggy at a kino have her cell phone ring. She looked at it, motioned for me to be quiet but continue, and answered it. She spoke in Polish so I had no idea what she said but after the session she told me it was her unknowing boyfriend. Normally I would not like a girl to answer the phone while I am fucking her. But in this case it was sort of hot.

AM

Turn Around

04-05-11, 17:16

Turn Around

04-05-11, 17:34

Just want to share something I just found out (although maybe most of you already know it can be useful to those who don't) :

Certain brothels and clubs etc have home pages in several different language version, most just german and english.

While the info can be nice to read in a language you understand. I advise you to use the german language version while browsing the girls! The german versions are always most up-to-date and you may very well find (hot) girls that you won't find on the english version.

Thanks to Angus Magee for letting me know, on purpose or not.

I've always checked this page:

http://www.brothel-berlin.to/german-brothels-berlin.html

But with AM's link I came to this one:

http://www.royalgirl.de/bordell-berlin.html

And found Summer! Which is looking very close to perfect in terms of what I am looking for.

Kimino

04-05-11, 21:46

Really pardon for the OT guys, but, let's say I need this info to have a break between VK and KD ahahah.

I'll be in Berlin with some friends at the end of May. Already have the turk restaurant and the german ISO9000 restaurant, I'm looking for a real good Russian restaurant, any suggestions?

Best!

Lestrade

04-06-11, 00:33

TroyBoy

04-06-11, 04:48

You are welcome and thanks for the tip. I have also had this experience at Royal. I am not sure if it something to do with their hiring policy (they will hire new girls with no experience?) but I have a couple of time stumbled upon a girl who just gives the vibe of being new. And they are rarely on the hp even. So you just have to go try your luck. In the long run such experiences can not be planned and this is why the are so good.

In this girl's case there are pics on the hp.

http://www.royalgirl.de/bordell-berlin/lea.html

Which does beg the question, is she in fact a complete newbie (she has a number of pics in different outfits and even with the face showing) or is she just a very good actress? One would have to go find out for one's self I think.

Or maybe it is a different Lea?

AMYes- Same Lea Angus. She may have been on the roster for some time; who knows. I didn't even ask her how long she has been working. She just seemed newish and the mere fact that she is 18yrs as opposed to 25+ yrs is a big rarity to what I have seen available in Berlin this weekend. It was just so nice to see and feel some big firm naturals on a rock hard body.

Kimino

04-06-11, 05:03

Lets say you have a really nice experience at a bordello and go back again a few weeks later. You liked the girl you saw before and may want to see her again, but want to try someone else. She is in the lineup again this time. What do you do? Tell her you want to try someone else when you meet her. Shake her hand and saw nothing and just pick someone else because it happens all the time and she will be used to it?Don't worry, it happens all the time and she is surely used to it.

This is particularly true and common in fkk environments where maybe you've been more times with the same girl in the past, allways had a good time, willing to repeat in the future but simply don't want to do it right now.

The girls know it, maybe sometimes play with it (a couple actually asked me why I didn't session with them again) but it's all part of the game. A very nice game IMO, but still a game.

Ciao.

Kimino

Diet Coke

04-06-11, 08:21

Angus Magee

04-06-11, 09:27

Question, there are so many terms on different sites. I know FO means French without and FT BBJCIM but not sure about Französisch pur. Also what does Kussen bei symphathie (sp?) mean? Kissing if she wants to?

Thanks.

RickIt is a little grey, Generally I take it to mean that she is open to kissing but reserves the right not to. Who can fault anyone for that. It does not mean, necessarily, that kissing is without charge. That is some girls will only kiss mongers they feel to, but still charge. It depends a little on which bordello you are at, e. G. KD has a kissing by sympathy policy but I have never been charged for kissing there if it happens. Liberty will also say sympathy but you will likely be charged €10.

Französisch pur is just another way of saying BBBJ with out cim.

AM

Angus Magee

04-06-11, 12:02

@AM:

Remember I asked about teeny girls. Here's sort of an example of what I mean:

http://www.myescortberlin.com/en/girl/Polly.html

Preferbly not that skinny and not looking so tired (maybe unlucky picture) , but small body like that.

Do you know anyone who fits the description? Careful there. I have read a couple of entirely negative reviews of this girl. I am not 100% certain but I think this is the same girl working at a bordello.

http://www.lankwitzer-7.de/pics/polly/

Maybe better to vist there so you can do a tester session and not risk too much money.

The search for the authentic teeny girl is difficult. Most girls advertised as such are not really 18 or 19. You just have to do the leg work.

I might also suggest L'amour 2a and Klix.

http://www.lamour2a.de/

http://www.klix37.de/

Both places seem to have a regular supply of 18-19 year old EE girls. I also have to say though that generally the reviews of these girls are pretty luke warm at best.

AM

Diet Coke

04-06-11, 15:01

Afternoon visit. Address Hochstrasse 45 was hard to find. S bahn to Humboldthain and cross to town side. Went down Hochstrasse past park and numbers got too small. Went back and finally found it. After park, turn left down alley type way, just before the Casino and it on on the right with sign. Buzzed buzzer and house mother let me in and said only 2 girls. I chose Laura, somewhat tall, dark hair from Poland. Some English and probably better German. She could understand my poor German. Choose 20 minutes for 30 Euro no extras. She had me wash first and brought me some water, which I needed. Took some effort to get me ready and then to the mission. I did not last long but was fine. Pleasant, but a great beauty. Had a wash and gave the 3 cheek kisses to her and left. Now it would be easy to find.

Diet Coke

04-06-11, 20:29

Tried to find several places around Hermanplatz. Never found Club Elfen above McDonalds. Searched for Sonnennalle street around Hermanplatz U bahn stop and sadly went wrong way and after a bathroom break at Karstadt 4th floor and finally found that street. I was watching the numbers across the street, small, and walked a number of blocks past Mac before I noticed numbers on my side, so backtracked and ended up at Mac almost at Sonnennalle. Buzzed the Mac button and let in and housefrau showed me to room and about 4-5 girls came quickly in to shake hands and say name. The housefrau needed to get another girl to translate into English the prices. I do not remember all. I think 100 Euro for hour. 30 E for 20 min. W / condom and 20 min. 35 pur (Thanks Angus). I think 60 for 2 girls 30 minutes. Anyway I chose Karina from Espana who claimed to be 20. First she gave me a wash w / soap in room. After a bit of caressing she directed me bed and eventually started BBJ. Never gave into positon to allow finger play. I do not know if included. Got me hard, I asked for condom and went to the mission. After a while I wilted and asked more oral. She applied a second condom and started but was not working so took off condom and more BBf. She got me really hard but finally finished w / HB. Cleaned me up a bit and I had a wash. She left and returned, I think to wash, returned with a towel around her. Gave her kiss of cheek and left. Money up front. I was satisfied, but my feet were not. Too much walking. Old guy.

Rick

Eddy Berlin

04-06-11, 21:13

I had a wander over to the Freundenhaus a while back and went for the Cuban Sherina.

http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/sherina.html.

I agreed to a quickie for 20 minutes@30 Euro. As I tried to go down on her she told me that it would cost extra, which contradicts the info on their homepage "20 Minuten französisch bei Dir und Ihr & Verkehr: 30 €", I. E. Pussy eating is included in the 30 Euro deal. I know that making a scene and arguing about this kind of stuff just makes it worse, so I didn't pursue it and left her pussy alone. For the rest of the session I didn't get hard at all, despite her well-meant efforts, so we just sat there and chatted, which was OK but not what I had originally planned. She even offered me to extend my stay for another 20 minutes of chatting, which I politely declined. That was the only sex free sex session I've ever had.

The Limey

04-07-11, 00:29

That was the only sex free sex session I've ever had.I tried Freudenhaus once, and the girl (Kristina) was pretty mechanical, sort of like she wanted to have sex without sex. She wasn't unfriendly and at that price I didn't feel ripped off. Just don't see the point of anybody going there unless they are poor and desperate.

TroyBoy

04-07-11, 04:02

I am on my flight back to USA and have time to organize some thoughts on my first European vacation and Berlin experience. It is hard to believe that I could travel so much and have never traveled over the pond. I am glad I finally made the trip and greatly enjoyed all aspects of Germany. It has just a completely different feel from my many Latin American and Asian ventures. $$$$ of course is the big down side, but when in Rome one must do as they do.

My flight left Tegal at 2:20pm. I awoke with a residual levitra woody so I called reception to ask to have my 11am checkout extended to noon and took the Westkreuz S-baun 4 stops to Bundesplatz where ROYAL bordello is located. Timing is everything. I checked it out yesterday afternoon and was presented 4 over 30, over tattooed, overweight options. I chose the option to leave, but I did note that the facility was extremely clean and just looked like a neat little established old German bordello. This morning's10am presentation was completely different. 4 of the 7 were very doable by my standards and Lea was the highlight of my whole Berlin boinking extravaganza. My two nights at Artemis were very enjoyable. Yesterday I ended up spending another 10 hrs there and took Brazil, Slovia, Romania and Colombia upstairs. The one thing missing this trip so far was a full blooded 'Fräulein '.

http://www.royalgirl.de/bordell-berlin/lea.html

Lea is 18yrs, blond, blue eyed. 5'7', no tattoos, fresh, cute face, long hair, full ass with dimples and huge natural tits. 0% fat and 110% German- absolutely perfect. 100 Euros / 45 min. + 20 standard 'extra' for any toys brought into bed. (where I go my pocket rocket goes) This is such a civilized way to start a day and board a plane for a long flight. I want to thank the ISG posters (in particular Angus) who provided all the info needed to easily find Artemis and Royal. An interesting thing about Royal pricing is: 80/30min. 100/45min and 150/1 hr. When I asked why such a large bump up at the 1hr time unit they explained it was because in this hour the customer is allowed multiple orgasms. I chose the 45 min unit as I knew that I only had one bullet in my chamber left for this trip. Also- do not waste time in the shower as the clock starts when Lea takes you to the bathroom to 'freshen up'.

Avus hotel / motel (51 Hallenseestrasse) is a perfect option for a Berlin monger. It is a 10 minute walk from Westkreuz S-bahn station. 15 minute walk to Artemis. And 18 Euro (15 minute) taxi from Tegal airport. A single room was 39 euros booked via www.agoda.com. This is not much of a room but clean and just a good cheap place to base from. My biggest complaint is no wireless. On both nights that I left Artemis at 3am the taxi fare was only 5 euros. Both times the driver was visibly pissed it was such a cheap fare as they are waiting in a taxi line for their customer turn probably over an hour. I of course tipped a couple Euros, but they were still pissed. I am 90% sure I could have safely walked the 15 minutes back, but I do not like to walk anywhere at 3am in any large city and there is a tunnel under the autobahn one must pass through which would be pretty secluded. This whole area in general is very safe and next to the convention center. Westkreuz is on the O-Ring and also has a straight line to Berlin HBF (central station). I arrived at HBF from Greifswald at 9am and by 9:35am I was checking into Avus. (and this included my 10 minute walk with bags from Westkreuz station). Trains come every few minutes. This is how good the trains are in Germany / Berlin.

I was originally tempted to rent a car but now glad I did not. This just would not make sense in Berlin, nor for my trip up north. I picked up a special 45 Euro round trip ticket for the 2. 5 hour Greifswald trip. Google estimated gas cost alone for this trip to be over $120 let alone car rental fees and time needed to deal with pick up / return. A rental car would probably make sense if other Germany FKKs were visited, but my time constraints allowed me to only experience Artemis.

General Impression:

1. Germany is not cheap. Pussy, food, hotels- everything! At HBF station it even cost. 80 Euro to take a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). This is about $1US just to use a public toilet.

2. Working girls- in general much more mechanical with zero GFE. I always am able to find special GFE / main squeeze experiences in Costa Rica, Medellin, Rio, Thailand or Philippines. I do not think a truly passionate kiss is available anywhere in Germany. I also kept wondering where are all the 18/19yr olds? They are there, but hard to find. Far more late 20s working Artemis and a lot of silicone everywhere. I will say that I was very impressed at how well maintained some of these high mileage working girls were, but I have a preference for young and sweet which are few and far between.

3. Variety- What is really attractive about the Berlin scene is the many stunningly beautiful and statuesque EE girls working from Poland, Moldova, Russia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania –on and on. In addition there were a few Thais, Costa Ricans, Brazilians as well. These imports from a far really had the mileage though. I can only imagine the miles of dick a Thai or Rio working girl has seen before she has found herself in a German bordello. I did meet a sweet 24yr Colombiana who moved to Germany with her mother 10yr prior. She was pretty low mileage and enjoyed my Reggaeton collection with earbuds relaxing by the pool and then in the room with a pocket rocket. This was probably the closest I got to a GFE: 'Que Rica- Te Quiero' I suspect she was referring to my pocket rocket and not me.

4. FKK Concept- This is similar to the Brazilian Thermae concept, but the Germans take it one step further. If you can afford it this is a great way to P4P. Having 40-70 nude women wandering around flirting where you can spend a few minutes chatting to get acquainted and check out the 'vibes' is a great way to do it. Also the saunas, weight room, pool, massage, restaurant to occupy time during regeneration period is great. I enjoyed the whole 'SPA' feel and tried to truly relax and think about nothing. Maybe I was horny, maybe not- not important. All of a sudden some gal would come flirt and have something about her that flips a switch. If not now maybe an hour or two from now- take a nap and relax-'not important; just enjoy being alive and able to experience this incredibly mind blowing scene'

TroyBoy

04-07-11, 04:09

Avus pics:

Allover

04-07-11, 08:50

I had two opportunities to monger in Berlin and tried to make the most of them. Since I like Thai girls I visited Kino 26 at Dominicusstrasse 26. I expected a low end experience but the girls here were far too unattractive. Following Angus' advice from an earlier post, I went around the corner to another Kino called Paola's. Paola's is on Bahnhofstrasse. There were 3 Thais and an eastern European girl there. I chose a surpringly good looking, slim Thai girl. Her name is Gay. Gay performed very well, not GFE, but it was an enjoyable experience for 25 Euro.

Next up was Freudenhaus Hase at Hochstrasse 45. S Bahn to Humboldthain station and then walked downhill on the side of the street that has a casino near the station. Right before the casino turn left into a courtyard with a red brick builidng. There is an entrance on the left and another one on the right. Knock on the left door and go up and down three flights of stairs looking at girls in their doorways. Same routine on the right door entrance. Finally chose Anastasia, a hot blonde IMHO from Poland. Paid 45 euro for 30 minutes of very good, but mechanical sex. Anastasia's pic on the website doesn't do her justice. She's pretty hot even though she has some age and mileage on her. She spoke English well and was friendly.

I'm also adding a non-monger info paragraph here. Skip this unless you want a hotel and sim card recommendation. I stayed at the Park Plaza Art Otel Kudamm for their 55 Euro / night internet rate. I thought it was a great value, especially for Europe. Highly recommended. Also recommended is the Klarmobile International Sim card available in a lot of places including Saturn stores. Saturn is similar to Best Buy. The guys at Saturn activated the card for me since I can't read or speak German. Paid 5 Euro for a sim that comes with 10 euro of time. Calling to the USA is about. 09 / minute. A good value I believe.

Thanks to all that answered my questions and post such good info here. Wish I could have spent more time in Berlin. It's an awesome city.

Angus Magee

04-07-11, 09:49

Seems like this place is getting a lot of reports lately with mixed opinion. I have been there a couple of times and enjoyed my experience. But you have to realize that this is a discount sex shop and your results will be up and down. My own experience was witha girl I chose off the web site (no longer working) and was crazy to see. In fact she was a teeny type (probably 20-21 in actual fact but I am not to stuck on her being in her teens, it is more of a teeny look I go for and "energy") I had to make a few trips up there before she was actually there, these types of girls are often very undependable to show up for work.

The session for me was good. She did everything I wanted and to which we agreed but it was no GFE. This is my point though, the girls in this type of place generally do a lot of 20 min. Sessions and are not going to put in much effort unless they think you may become a regular. Thus it is difficult for the obvious tourist. The poster below who the girl tried to charge to lick her was right not to pay. The girls would not try that on a German punter.

Anyway, I include a pic just so you can maybe understand my passion for the girl I saw here. Trixi was her name and the pic just shows her breast as I do not want to post her face as she may be out of the business. The pic was not shot by me but taken from the web site.

Diet Coke

04-07-11, 20:44

Mid afternoon visit. About 4-5 girls introduced. Karina still there plus Linda, Denise, and forgot the rest except Amanda who I choose. Spoke good English. Different housefrau w / better English. Amanda's pics on website seem accurate as did Karina's from previous report. http://www.erotische-modelle.de/

Much easier to find second time. Chose the 20 minute for 35 again. Started right after wash with caressing and soon BBJ. Took some effort to arose, but I am old and always a bit nervous. Got really hard and asked for gummi.

Went to the mission for about 10 minutes, long for me, her moaning was somewhat distracting but eventually I came and was happy. After a bit I had a wash in room and she left to shower or wash. Returned, I was dressed. A bit less then 20 minutes but I was satisfied. Gave her the 2 cheek kiss and left. She said from Singapur since 18 and now 28 years. No finger play or kissing attempted, not sure is allowed

Stannyboy

04-11-11, 18:03

Angus Magee

04-12-11, 11:14

Man I went to a Thai massage, just wanted a quick rub and tug for 50 Euros like everyone said. However, during the massage she said 50 doesn't include a HJ and wanted 20 Eur for it. In the end just settled for 30 Eur for a BJ with condom. It sucked, and I feel kinda cheated. Anyone know a good thai massage + HJ, or even better still anywhere with massage + bareback BJ?You must have really been unlucky as 99% of Thai massage places include a happy ending with the base price, usually 50-60 euros for the hour. The one's that don't usually don't offer anything. If you look on at any of the Thai places on this site I think you can guarantee a finishing HJ included. Unless it was a tourist thing and they figured you would not know.

http://www.rotlichtadresse.de/

And this place offers pretty much every thing as far as I know.

http://www.thantawan.de/

Nice looking team but I don't know prices.

AM

Bearsk

04-12-11, 16:07

Thantawan is the place.

I don't go every time I visit Berlin but after a long flight, the massage is excellent. I have been with Ning, Lin and Sipa and had an excellent time. The only question I have been asked at that inflection point is whether I am tired? This may be because, I generally have a little snooze during the massage or to let me opt out. I opted out once, first time with Sipa but the next time headed back she made up for it as well as head and neck massage after the deal.

I have not tried any of the others on the site

Well worth a try.

BSK.

You must have really been unlucky as 99% of Thai massage places include a happy ending with the base price, usually 50-60 euros for the hour. The one's that don't usually don't offer anything. If you look on at any of the Thai places on this site I think you can guarantee a finishing HJ included. Unless it was a tourist thing and they figured you would not know.

http://www.rotlichtadresse.de/

And this place offers pretty much every thing as far as I know.

http://www.thantawan.de/

Nice looking team but I don't know prices.

AM

Charlie 123

04-12-11, 17:52

Thantawan is the place.

I don't go every time I visit Berlin but after a long flight, the massage is excellent. I have been with Ning, Lin and Sipa and had an excellent time. The only question I have been asked at that inflection point is whether I am tired? This may be because, I generally have a little snooze during the massage or to let me opt out. I opted out once, first time with Sipa but the next time headed back she made up for it as well as head and neck massage after the deal.

I have not tried any of the others on the site

Well worth a try.

BSK. Hi Bearsk.

Could I ask you please to expand. Is full service available here I. E. BBBJ, GV, FT, etc?

I am somewhat partial to Thai girls and would be interested if the full range of services is available, but if it's a massage and hand-job only then it wouldn't be for me.

Thanks & best wishes.

Charlie

Charlie 123

04-12-11, 17:54

This is an agency tha doesn't appear to have its own website but uses berlin-intim. De as its window to the world.

Anybody got any intel please?

Thanks,

Charlie

Stannyboy

04-12-11, 17:58

Actually, the place I went to was Thantawan. Screwed up.

Angus Magee

04-12-11, 18:14

This is an agency tha doesn't appear to have its own website but uses berlin-intim. De as its window to the world.Not so Charlie. Here is the website for Event Escort.

http://www.event-escort-berlin.de/

Anybody got any intel please?That is as far as my intel goes. I have never heard a word about this agency on the German forum.

AM

Angus Magee

04-13-11, 12:16

Actually, the place I went to was Thantawan. Screwed up.Well maybe, maybe not. The Thai paces I have been to are all very small two or three girl operations in my local neighbourhood. They are actually massage places and I would never expect to get full service or even a BJ. (though it might well be possible) When I have gone it has been for the massage and the happy ending has been just as a matter of course. That is as the massage is ending the girl asks if you want happy ending. If you nod yes (does anyone say no?) she takes care of it. It is pretty perfunctory but also aways a decent hand job. What I am not sure of is if these places that are obviously more professional customarily charge for the happy ending. I sort of think not as it is so easily available lese where but maybe they do. Hopefully Bearsk will clarify this.

AM

Charlie 123

04-13-11, 14:45

Not so Charlie. Here is the website for Event Escort.

http://www.event-escort-berlin.de/

That is as far as my intel goes. I have never heard a word about this agency on the German forum.

AMHi Angus.

Thanks for the response. Actually, this is not the agency I was referring to. If you look on berlin-intim you will see that there is another firm with the same name, that does Chinese takeaways only. Search for instance for modelle 'Yuki-Bebe' and you will be led to their main page on Berlin-intim, but they appear to have no website otherwise.

Best,

C

The Limey

04-13-11, 19:15

I did do a check on the German forum for both and came up with a very good report on Margo. Apparently the breasts are huge and quite natural;)In the interests of science I just had to go and verify. They are indeed natural, and huge. You wonder what she would look like sitting opposite to you on the U-Bahn.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/margo.htm

Downside is she's rather plump overall. All that currywurst must taste good after a Siberian diet.

Don't be deceived though. Beneath that icy tundra of flesh lies a real meteorite: a yearning burning engine-tight pussy machine!

(By the way, a warning about the photos: KD has an unfortunate habit of over-flattering its girls with the aid of Photoshop. It's a shame because some of the girls there are genuinely pretty but you never know what you are going to get from the site's advertising.)

Lime73

04-13-11, 22:00

Anyone met the new girls at KD? Summer. A 6 ft. Knockout acc. To the desc, and Mercedes. Pics of Mercedes and Clarissa are fairly. Hot.

Any pics of Summer?

L.

Angus Magee

04-14-11, 14:30

(By the way, a warning about the photos: KD has an unfortunate habit of over-flattering its girls with the aid of Photoshop. It's a shame because some of the girls there are genuinely pretty but you never know what you are going to get from the site's advertising.)Thanks for the report Limey. Personally I am always cautious with regard to the KG number which I believe denotes dress size. I find anything above KG38 is, for me, too big. My preference is with KG34 but do not rule out KG36-38. One of my favorite KD girls (no longer working) was a strapping German lass by the name of Angie. A tall blond girl with a larger frame (KG38) she was a horse enthusiast and could do a spectacular reverse cow girl for what seemed like hours at the time.

As for the photoshop, I have found KD to be not as bad as others (e. G. VK) but one does always have to realize that the girls and the bordello want to put on a flattering web presence. Of the current line up the two that I would most like intel about are Elena and Sophie. The later reminds me a bit of Gabriella from Oase, who I have run into a couple of times working closer to home (my home).

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/elena-e.htm

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/sophie.htm

AM

Bobo.fr

04-14-11, 21:04

Anyone met the new girls at KD? Summer. A 6 ft. Knockout acc. To the desc, and Mercedes. Pics of Mercedes and Clarissa are fairly. Hot.

Any pics of Summer?

L. They are not new in KD.

Bobo.fr

04-14-11, 21:07

.

One of my favorite KD girls (no longer working) was a strapping German lass by the name of Angie. A tall blond girl with a larger frame (KG38) she was a horse enthusiast. And liked dances too (especially Tango if I remember well)

Bobo.fr

04-14-11, 22:18

Anyone met the new girls at KD? Summer. A 6 ft. Knockout acc. To the desc, and Mercedes. Pics of Mercedes and Clarissa are fairly. Hot.

Any pics of Summer?

L. They are not new in KD : see.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=862934&viewfull=1#post862934

The Limey

04-14-11, 23:05

Of the current line up the two that I would most like intel about are Elena and Sophie.

AMI can't do both of them, at least not without special permission from my doctor.

If I do one for you, will you do one for me?

Charlie 123

04-14-11, 23:39

Hi.

I had tried two previous girls from this agency (Julia and Sarah) with acceptable results (both reported on this forum). This time I chose Viktoria:-

http://escortmodelle24.de/escortservice_08.html

As per the two previous girls, she was not as pretty as in her photos. Obviously the agency dolled up the girls for their photoshoots (not unreasonably) , and any girl you order from escortmodelle24 is unlikely to look as good in the flesh as she did on screen.

Viktoria speaks German (and Polish) only, and not very well at that. After showering we had a cigarette and a beer on the bed and had a quick chat. She is pleasant and friendly. A nice enough girl.

Service however was moderate at best. Her BJ was toothy and unskilled, so I decided to work on her instead with some DATY. I couldn't get her going properly though, so after a couple of minutes further BBBJ on went the condom and in it went. Fucking her was probably the highlight of a mediocre session. She seemed to get a bit more into it and the visuals were pleasant enough for me, to the extent that after 10 minutes or so I shot my load inside her.

I was reasonably satisfied with the session, but in order to extract a sufficient level of benefit it was necessary for me to take complete charge of the activities and be quite firm with her. She is not unwilling, just inexperienced and untalented.

Clearly not a repeat for me, but I will continue to work my way through this agency's line-up in search of one worthy of repetition.

Charlie

Bearsk

04-15-11, 07:28

I don't think there is a card with the options on it.

I usually go for the longest massage. Allows talking etc.

I have always been offered HJ and BBBJ is routine.

The other stuff is not best discussed here but one girl enjoys a ride and issues a torrent of dirty talk in various lingua.

The Thai gals vary here and the young ones don't appeal that much compared to my preference in LOS.

Please note: Charlie your reputation with TGs precedes you, most particularly the Peter North en throat et lungs incident with Leki at Artemis last year that saw her spend a couple of weeks in hospital with chemical pneumonia.

Use an alias if you want BBBJ.

Hi Bearsk.

Could I ask you please to expand. Is full service available here I. E. BBBJ, GV, FT, etc?

I am somewhat partial to Thai girls and would be interested if the full range of services is available, but if it's a massage and hand-job only then it wouldn't be for me.

Thanks & best wishes.

Charlie

Angus Magee

04-15-11, 11:12

If I do one for you, will you do one for me?Not sure I am in the financial position to make that deal.

Unfortunate but a fact.

AM

The Limey

04-15-11, 14:41

Not sure I am in the financial position to make that deal.

Unfortunate but a fact.

AMIt is a strange and sad world we live in that such a trivial thing as money can separate men and women. Indeed, if I were to be honest with myself I would admit that I too cannot really afford this hobby. The problem I have is that if I leave it for more than a couple of days my hands start to shake, my mind gets confused, and I start to walk the streets: Prenzlauer, Wedding, anywhere; until at some point I raise my head and find with wonder and guilt myself to be in some familiar doorway. And so it goes on, against my will.

Bearsk

04-15-11, 22:15

Poetic, fugue-like state.

It is a strange and sad world we live in that such a trivial thing as money can separate men and women. Indeed, if I were to be honest with myself I would admit that I too cannot really afford this hobby. The problem I have is that if I leave it for more than a couple of days my hands start to shake, my mind gets confused, and I start to walk the streets: Prenzlauer, Wedding, anywhere; until at some point I raise my head and find with wonder and guilt myself to be in some familiar doorway. And so it goes on, against my will.

The Limey

04-15-11, 22:33

of the current line up the two that i would most like intel about are elena and sophie.

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/elena-e.htm

amelena's a berliner, though it doesn't hint it on the site. she's returned from a holiday in a torquay with a gang of british divers.

she's also a physics student. apparently sex is not one of the dimensions of the universe, which seemed weird to me, but she is closer to this stuff than i am.

in terms of general looks, she is no supermodel. kind of reminds me of the girls in college that i wouldn't have minded screwing if given the chance, but didn't actively lust after. girl next door type i guess. she is putting on a bit of weight too, though not as bad as margo.

she has soft big breasts and a firm ass with tiny little hairs. nice to run your hands across. a big black hole of a pussy. more sensitive around the pussy than the breasts. loves daty but not finger penetration.

she can really yell during sex. nothing sounds fake. at the same time i didn't get the sense from her personality that sex is really the core of her existence.

if you're short on cash, angus, is she worth your hard-earned 120 euros or 80? probably not. maybe i am spoilt by the other kd girls, but somehow i felt elena lacked the x factor.

when you scrape it together, try one of your existing favourites.

Rocketboy0

04-16-11, 07:49

Poetic, fugue-like state.Or even fugued-up.

The genie is truely out of the bottle, for all you Dr. Frankensteins.

Lime73

04-16-11, 11:44

They are not new in KD : see.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=862934&viewfull=1#post862934I see.

Well, after my first visit in March I drop by the 'aktuelles' section of their website from time to time.

There's the occasional new photo. And Summer's description peaked my interest.

L.

Severin Carl

04-16-11, 12:47

Rocketboy0

04-17-11, 17:09

I haven't been in Berlin for quite a long time, but I will be there next week, probably. And I got a problem : The apartment where I use to stay while in Berlin is not free, so I have to stay in a hotel and I want to meet an escort girl. Any advice where to go?There are many cheap affordable apartments you can rent for a few days that might suit your needs for privacy. See e. G.

http://brilliant-apartments.de/?lang=en

Or.

http://www.central-apartments.de/

But just do an internet search. Hotels probably not a problem (this is Berlin, sex capital of the European Union with a long history, etc.) but you might PM Charlie 123 of the ISG for some of his learned recommendations. Good luck.

Charlie 123

04-17-11, 20:15

But just do an internet search. Hotels probably not a problem (this is Berlin, sex capital of the European Union with a long history, etc.) but you might PM Charlie 123 of the ISG for some of his learned recommendations. Good luck.As long as you book a double room, there is absolutely no problem in taking a girl to the room or ordering a visit from an escort in any hotel in Berlin that I have ever stayed at. My list of 'escort-friendly' hotels would comprise the entire Berlin hotel directory.

I suggest you find one that suits you with regard to your other criteria, and trust that, so long as you don't get cheeky and book a single room, a visit from an escort will engender no issues whatsoever.

Charlie

Bobo.fr

04-18-11, 00:11

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She's also a physics student.

Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1088927&viewfull=1#post1088927

SoItBegins

04-18-11, 10:24

This site, and the experiences of others is invaluable for those who are new to these waters and in removing some uncertainty with finding positive experiences.

Since I am all about paying it forward, perhaps somebody will find my experiences useful. Before I begin, I would like to mention a special thank you to Angus, as his blog and responses (I'm sure you can figure out who this is) was very useful for my first time to trip to Berlin.

Due to my proximity of where I was staying, and my silly reluctance to venture to too many new places I went to Liberty three times and Artemis twice. I'll only discuss Liberty here.

Liberty: as seedy area, but easy to find thanks to AM's video. The whole process of getting in and going is pretty smooth. The old I guess 'cleaning lady? ' doesn't speak any English but so far they have found somebody to speak English. It was funny in them bumbling around with customers in near contact. I was nearly walked in on and I did see one other person. It was all funny though, makes for good laughter with the girls.

I will say this, FOCUS and prepare your mind on order of girls and names. It goes by way too quickly and if anything I wish I had a pad and paper, but that would look ridiculous.

Lucy:

I believe a few members of the board have experienced her, I didn't know this at the time, so was pleasantly surprised with my session.

I went on a Sunday afternoon and she was the youngest girl in my lineup and closest to my age. She is 23, pretty grey / green eyes, petite, be cup, tan / olive skin, dark brunette borderline black hair and native to Germany but not to Berlin. One thing I absolutely love about 'young girls' is that luxurious soft skin. They need to make pillows like that. Of synthetic materials of course not actual skin. Also I'm in my mid-20's so don't cry creeper on me just yet.

She has an infectious smile, can seem a bit shy personality wise but lovely regardless. Her picture is not on the website, even though she has been there a little over a year. She doesn't do any CIM or COF so if that is a deal breaker, then there you go.

I opted for full body massage, BBBJ, half hour so came out to 90 euro. For some reason, I love to chat with girls, so it was a pre-requisite for me that a girl can speak English. Luckily her English is strong. She definitely knows how to tease and again uses those seductive eyes so well when she was sucking. That said she cannot deep throat or really put much more than the head into her mouth. Also her overall oral skills were not as refined or developed as others. That said I don't care that much, as I'm very visual anyway, and am far more turned on with a beautiful face over me than somebody busted who could suck stripes off a candy cane.

Also, perhaps it was my fault for not opting for more time as I spent too much of it caught up with watching her mouth work, but I didn't have time really for DATY. Anyway she mounted me, was super tight, and again from the lack of DATY, it was a bit 'rough' getting it in. Instead of letting me hold on to her boat, she'the force my hands into cupping her. I can appreciate some aggression.

I will say, as a nice touch, as she started to ride me, she'the rest her forehead against mine and look deeply back at me and panting. I don't care if it was a fake lust eyes, frankly it was a very hot, pro move. She also naturally she positioned her lips, at an angle, right where mine were, like 1. 5 cm away enticing me and borderline surprising me into wondering why didn't she. I cannot tell you how tempted I was to just kiss her, but in my mind I was thinking, 'is this an upsell' like if I give her a simple peck that is 20 euro? LOL I'm a cheap new monger, and the extra's system is getting to me, what can I say?

I had a great time with her, if I had stayed in Berlin longer, or if I was smart enough not to 'sample' flavors I should have gone with her again and for an hour.

Looks:8. 5.

Performance 8. 25.

Mia:

Came back next day, and was disappointed at the lineup. I knew if I waited I could have gone with Lucy again, but do I really want her literally right after another guy. I also could have gone with another girl that looked similar to Lucy but I figure she didn't hold her gaze with me so I went for this soft spoken, shy girl that looked pretty differently.

Mia also does not have her picture on the site. She is pale, borderline as pale as any girl I have seen. This is contrasted with her raven black hair so while you would think some kind of Russian, maybe eastern bloc country she actually is also a native German, but not to Berlin. She is curvy but not fat, there is definite meat on her to hold onto, but she is also short so you can toss her around. She isn't the prettiest girl but something about her screams sex to me.

Her English is not very good but she politely nods, smiles. She has really gross teeth, like black near gums where either she smokes or doesn't brush properly. She does do CIM, so maybe that is what all that black build is. Hahahaha.

She also does have a lot of whip marks on her back so clearly must be the BDSM bunny of the house. So maybe if you beat it out of her, she does scream sex.

Since only a limited conversation could be had we pretty much went to business. With that, as I suspected, I was pleasantly surprised (oxymoron) by her oral skills. She had great command of pace, varying pressure, technique, angle depth of penetration, etc. I think at one point I did that 'mmm not bad and nod' face. I almost started to golf clap but had to keep her hair from blocking my view. If you can't tell I'm a BJ guy.

One thing I really like about her, she made no effort to put on that fake loud moan crap. It was either that sharp panting or stifled moans that brought me back to the days of keeping everything secret or quiet. She gets really wet too, so penetration is like a slip and slide. Just slip and slide. Did the mish, dog, and finish with her on top. I love mirrors before and love them even more now. American Psycho anyone? *flex*

I had a great time but may not repeat as I like to find chicks I am very attracted to?

Looks 6. 5.

Performance: 8. 75.

Kelly.

For once the forum has steered me wrong. Reviews swear by her and well I had to see the hype myself.

First of all she looks nothing like her pictures. We are talking at minimum 15 kg difference if not more? She definitely doesn't look like the slim tight bodied girl of yesteryear. It looks awkward as she was already a small titted girl, but compound that with a tall, fat body it just looks awkward. Her butt also has immense cellulite wrinkles. You have been warned. I should have opted out then, but because of her strong reviews on \her personality, performance and skills, I thought I could move beyond that lack of attraction.

Anyway she was friendly, but hardly charming. Despite being fluent in English she made little attempts to connect. She does give an excellent massage and incorporates moves I haevn't felt before. Granted I am no massage connoisseur but it was one of the best ones I have ever received. Also her oral skills are strong. Although she overly relies on doing that tongue flicking thing to the underside of the head. That is nice but when you do too much, it's like a bit too much, borderline overstimulation. The sex was a huge turn off because immediately upon penetration she started doing this very unbelievable moaning. I just didn't expect it and who really wants that. Everything about her seemed insincere so I didn't want to continue that and went back oral.

Maybe on instinct she didn't like me so didn't want to play but I definitely would not repeat.

Looks: 4. 5.

Performance: 6

Horny Harry

04-18-11, 18:17

Bobo.fr

04-18-11, 20:22

Does anybody have any experience with KD's out call to a private residence, or is it hotels only?

There are a few particular girls that I want to try out but they don't work that often, however they are available as escort so I was thinking about booking them as escort.

Many thanks for any hints! Give a call (BE AWARE that each service has its own phone number, especiallay incalls' and outcalls' phone numbers are DIFFERENT )

Excerpt from http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/contact.htm

Hotel and escort.

Our intermediary Kira is there for you:

Mondays. Fridays from 13°° – 23°° (1 pm. 11 pm) ,

Saturday and Sunday from 14°° – 23°° (2 pm. 11 pm)

E-mail.

de-winter@freenet.de

0049 178. 886 40 89.

Please do not send SMS to this number!

(If you want, you may see also :
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1102479#post1102479
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1062086#post1062086 )

Turn Around

04-19-11, 00:09

As long as you book a double room, there is absolutely no problem in taking a girl to the room or ordering a visit from an escort in any hotel in Berlin that I have ever stayed at. My list of 'escort-friendly' hotels would comprise the entire Berlin hotel directory.

I suggest you find one that suits you with regard to your other criteria, and trust that, so long as you don't get cheeky and book a single room, a visit from an escort will engender no issues whatsoever.

Charlie@CHARLIE123.

Serious?

I've got a single room with kingsize / double bed in a 5 star hotel.

This means I cannot invite an escort to the room for a little while?

Do you have any recommondations of what to do?

Is it acceptable to just ask the reception if it's ok to bring a girl to the room or is this "hush-hush"?

Kasper 81

04-19-11, 16:38

Dear friends. Here I am on the road again!

After 8 months of relationship (and yes, to the disgrace of my little friend I am a very faithful person, so no other bodies 'explored' since last September) , I am (un) fortunately a free young man again, ready to heal my heartache with our favourite hobby.

I will be in Berlin at the end of May. Even if I previously visited the place with little enthusiasm, I am planning to start my trip at Caligula. After 8 months of making love, I really need some good, cheap fucking to get back on track! There is the option 49€ one hour, which will probably allow me two sessions (fucking three girls in one hour could be problematic. Also because I cannot have a session without cumming. It is against my philosophy!). They advertise the 20€ coin for 20 minute session, but last year they somehow told me it was not available. Any suggestions on that? Maybe if I just say I only have limited time so it is either that or nothing, they will get me through.

My plan is to have two cheap fucks here a day (morning and evening session, it is very close to my hotel) , and maybe a more classy session in the afternoon (I plan to visit Liberty and Royal). Also, there are a couple of girls I would like to sample at Freudenhaus. Which is my fave place in terms of quality / price ratio. Where can you find a 20 minutes session, no rush, with nice girls for 30€? And going up the scale. Liberty is another place with great deals. Model type girls for 40€ in nice environment, where many other Berlin brothels provide junkies in dark, seedy places for maybe 35€. No contest really! Also I would really want to try a MILF brothel. Last year I went to Rose16 but it was closed, and apparently doesn't exist anymore. Scrolling the forum I couldn't find any useful info on this. Any hints?

Thank you for your always appreciated help and information. I will write as usual my report as soon as I get back.

Lastly, I heard that they wanted to open a walkup brothel in Berlin, Frankfurt style. Is it going to happen or just urban legend?

Tonio1

04-20-11, 12:44

Turn around: "Guests" (aka Personal assistants or WG) are welcome in any 5 star hotel in Berlin during the morning / day / evening. Some hotels just don't like to have a reservation for a single room with someone staying overnight. Main reason is that overnight guests legally have to register with the hotel (its a minor offence if police recognizes it).

If your favourite girl looks like your wife / girl friend etc. And not like a street hooker most hotels will even late at night turn a blind eye on it (but the "walk of shame" is yours!) The only obstacle is that most 5 stars hotels have blocked their lifts and only your room key gives access to your floor. Better meet in a cafe / bar next to the hotel so that the walk of shame is short.

@CHARLIE123.

Serious?

I've got a single room with kingsize / double bed in a 5 star hotel.

This means I cannot invite an escort to the room for a little while?

Do you have any recommondations of what to do?

Is it acceptable to just ask the reception if it's ok to bring a girl to the room or is this "hush-hush"?

Bobo.fr

04-21-11, 01:55

.

Overnight guests legally have to register with the hotel (its a minor offence if police recognizes it). YES.

... turn a blind eye on itAnd YES.

So, in "normal" hours (let's say around 9 AM to around 9 PM, check the "official" rules of the hotel) , you may receive people in your room EVEN if it's a SINGLE room.

At night, NORMALLY ("legally") the persons who spend the night in the hotel should be registered (Id card ).

MementoMori

04-21-11, 15:50

Angus Magee

04-21-11, 16:40

Lastly, I heard that they wanted to open a walkup brothel in Berlin, Frankfurt style. Is it going to happen or just urban legend?I have heard this too but I don't know what is happening there. One location I have heard mentioned is the LSD sex store in the middle of the street trade track. As far as I know the neighbourhood is dead set against it and there has been no movement on changing anyone's mind. Doubt we will see it anytime soon.

AM

Charlie 123

04-21-11, 18:04

Hi.

I have been looking for a good source of Chinese takeaways recently. This agency doesn't have its own website. They use Berlin-intim. De as their platform.

http://www.berlinintim.de/member/Escort/Escort-6777.htm

The telephonist speaks shocking German and not a word of English, so arrangements were problematic to organise. There are no proper photos on the website, so my choice of Lili was largely a matter of 'lucky dip', aided in part from a garbled but largely positive recommendation from the telephonist.

She was due to arrive after 30 minutes but turned up an hour late. I had to call the agency 3 times to confirm that she was definitely coming. It appears that she took the bus to visit me in Schoeneberg and got lost.

Lili is moderately attractive at best, with a decent rack and trim physique, but she is not desperately pretty facially and must be into her 30's at least. She is pleasant enough, and speaks decent German. Despite her late arrival and modest looks, I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt. When she stripped off however, she stared in horror into her knickers and announced that her period had started and that full sex was off the menu and BJ-only was to be the order of the day. Briefly, we showered, I got a 15 minute BBBJ of merely adequate standard, and then I punished her for her late arrival and blooded panties by wanking off over her face. 120 Euros wasted.

I hate websites where you can't see the girls' faces, but the paucity of Oriental specialist firms led me to gamble with China Heng mei. I won't make that error again. From now on I am going to stick with girls whose faces are clearly identifiable on their profile.

I have been fortunate with some of the low-end escort firms I have used in recent months and years. This time my luck ran out. Lili is a nice enough girl and tried her best in difficult circumstances, but the whole experience was unsatisfactory and I won't use this agency again.

Charlie

Skagen

04-22-11, 04:31

Due to my proximity of where I was staying, and my silly reluctance to venture to too many new places I went to Liberty three times and Artemis twice. I'll only discuss Liberty here.

Lucy:

Her picture is not on the website, even though she has been there a little over a year.

I will say, as a nice touch, as she started to ride me, she'the rest her forehead against mine and look deeply back at me and panting. I don't care if it was a fake lust eyes, frankly it was a very hot, pro move.

Kelly:

For once the forum has steered me wrong. Reviews swear by her and well I had to see the hype myself. First of all she looks nothing like her pictures. We are talking at minimum 15 kg difference if not more? She definitely doesn't look like the slim tight bodied girl of yesteryear. Maybe on instinct she didn't like me so didn't want to play but I definitely would not repeat. On Kelly, I would say you should have read my recent review. I did say she appeared to be bigger and curvier than the pictures on the website. My guess would be more like 5-7 kilos difference than 15 kilos though. That said, she was extremely involved and charming in my session, not to mention great performance on all aspects. Maybe I caught her on a very motivated day or you got her on a bad one.

On Lucy, her pictures have been on the site before, but after a while they ware taken down. Maybe precautions to avoid a boyfriend, family, acquaintances etc. I've observed the same with Sara and Vivian as well at the same agency. Interestingly while I found Lucy to be a really pleasant girl in nature, in addition to being very cute. She was basic good but not more. Wasnt putting in any extra effort for me. But with her looks and pleasant nature, it was easy to get your rocks off and end up leaving cheerful anyway.

But that's the nature of the game though, isn't it. Even with the better ones, sometimes you click and others you don't. I don't mind that. Its the many gals that are just blatantly out to do rip offs that bother me.

Lime73

04-22-11, 12:33

Hi all Members!

Greetings from the land of the midnight sun (Sweden). I'm new in the wonderful world of P4P. I popped my cherry in Copenhagen some weeks ago. A wonderful Thai Experience. I first belied it was an urban legend about thaigirls being thigh. But wow! So it's prob. True: once you tried Asian you don't go Caucasian. But I'm no racist so I prob do all rase.

Well, back to subject. We are a gang of men going to Berlin the 12th for some heavy party, and I'm the party boss.

SO we will prob. Go to Artemis, and some other fine establishment. Right now I'm looking for some asian / thai massage places in Berlin, yes I know I can find some places on german sites, but whant to get some input from the pros. So here are some places I have found that I think I can get a greate massage with a little extra:

http://www.thantawan.de/

(Site looks very pro. Is it only masage?)

http://www.ekstase-massage.de

(I know not thai, but I don't descriminate)

http://www.hochstaedter-massage.de

http://www.siramanee.de

http://www.massage-ladys.de

http://www.kashima.de

(looks too nice)

http://www.longma-thaimassage.de/

So pro's help a horny newbie out, if you got some experience with these fine establishment, please post the info. Hi, sorry for the brief reply. I just wanted to comment on Kashima. You only get massage at Kashima (depending on how you define sex that is) , but it's rumored to be quite spectacular if you're looking for a good body to body tantra-massage. Some of the instructors seem to be into the spiritual aspect of tantric massage just as much as the physical / enjoyment-aspect. If you plan on going, you might want to book a few days ahead. I hear it's a popular place. I want to visit that place the next time I go to Berlin.

"Norrmannen".

Angus Magee

04-23-11, 14:10

Hi, sorry for the brief reply. I just wanted to comment on Kashima. You only get massage at Kashima (depending on how you define sex that is) , but it's rumored to be quite spectacular if you're looking for a good body to body tantra-massage. Some of the instructors seem to be into the spiritual aspect of tantric massage just as much as the physical / enjoyment-aspect. If you plan on going, you might want to book a few days ahead. I hear it's a popular place. I want to visit that place the next time I go to Berlin.

"Norrmannen". When you say "only massage" it seems to imply that you do not get your unit massaged. This is not true at Kashima as the "lingam massage" at Kashima is an integral part of the session and the ladies are mostly very good at it. The difference is that it is more integrated into the massage and not just a release tacked on at the end. What you do not get is the more interactive massage available at other massage places, reciprocal massage that is. Also you will not get serviced orally. Though on one of my last visits there I did have to keep checking. The young lady giving me the massage used her hands in such a way that I could have sworn she was giving me a bj. Opening my eyes and checking though told me she was just using hands and oil. Very nice.

Kashima is a great place but maybe not suited to a bunch of guys down here in Berlin for a wild weekend.

AM

The Limey

04-23-11, 17:46

Just wanted to shout a big up to the management at KD for keeping the game honest. OK, some of the girls don't live up to the photos, but none of them have ever tried to rip me off. With other bordellos, it's a bit like Russian Roulette sometimes (not to mention escort services, good grief).

MementoMori

04-24-11, 11:41

When you say "only massage" it seems to imply that you do not get your unit massaged. This is not true at Kashima as the "lingam massage" at Kashima is an integral part of the session and the ladies are mostly very good at it. The difference is that it is more integrated into the massage and not just a release tacked on at the end. What you do not get is the more interactive massage available at other massage places, reciprocal massage that is. Also you will not get serviced orally. Though on one of my last visits there I did have to keep checking. The young lady giving me the massage used her hands in such a way that I could have sworn she was giving me a BJ. Opening my eyes and checking though told me she was just using hands and oil. Very nice.

Kashima is a great place but maybe not suited to a bunch of guys down here in Berlin for a wild weekend.

AMWell, I would like to try out a "real" Lingam massage, not the lingam massage the sopose to know at shabby parlous.

Angus Magee

04-24-11, 19:54

Well, I would like to try out a "real" Lingam massage, not the lingam massage the sopose to know at shabby parlous.Well Kashima is not cheap at €160 (I think) for their basic massage. But keep in mind that this is a two hor session including shower time. The massage itself is 1. 5 hours and you will not feel rushed or like just another customer. They really go out of their way to make you feel like an honoured guest.

Some if not all of the ladies there are real skilled with the hands. I especially recommend Kristel.

AM

Bobo.fr

04-24-11, 20:25

.

(By the way, a warning about the photos: KD has an unfortunate habit of over-flattering its girls with the aid of Photoshop. It's a shame because some of the girls there are genuinely pretty but you never know what you are going to get from the site's advertising.) 1) The "official" reason is that to prevent the ladies from being recognized by their relatives or friends : that makes sense!

2) Sometimes we may have very good surprise (for example, with Felicia : personnally I find her much more cute than her photos published on KD's web pages could let me think)

3) Tuesday 19th

Bo (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/bo-e.htm) was there (in spite of not being scheduled) : hot meeting with kisses.

Chrissie (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/chrissie-e.htm) : smiling and cute lady with, unfortunately (according to my taste),"Ugly American Multicolored False Nails". As Chrissie was scheduled on Thursday, I asked for an appointment on that day.

4) Wednesday 20th.

I was very tired : massage with Cat (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/cat-e.htm)

5) Thursday 21rst :

It should be a big day : I could get an ("arrangement" http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/escort_4e.htm) appointment with Jenifer and as, mentionned above, I got a second appointment with Chrissie, a "No Escorts! No hotelvisits!" lady; I really realized that I was a lucky man!

Jenifer ( http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/jenniff-e.htm ) : her cheeks were cutly red-tanned because of these last sunny days in Berlin; as expected, the meeting was great!

Chrissie ( http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/chrissie-e.htm ) : finally, she could not come!

As again, Bo was there (even if she was not scheduled) : a second hot meeting with Bo.

6) ("Good") Friday 22nd.

Meeting with Anja (who seemed younger than I could imagine from the photos http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/anja-esc-e.htm ) and Liz ( http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/liz-e.htm) : hot but without kisses. Liz provided good massage.

I could talk to Felicia (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/felic-e.htm) , very very nice and very very cute lady but. She was fully booked!
I proposed an ("arrangement")"escort appointment" for the following day on early afternoon before I catched my flight but unfortunately it was not possible (she had an appointment with her family).
I really hope that I would have a chance to meet her one day

7) I could talk to Sophie (http://www.kamilla-dee.com/1-sexy_girls/sophie.htm) too : beautiful face, beautiful figure, nearly fully booked (an hour-meeting was impossible when I asked for) but unfortunately (according to my taste) , with tattoes (next to the breast)

The Limey

04-25-11, 00:27

1) The "official" reason is that to prevent the ladies from being recognized by their relatives or friends : that makes sense!I admire your stamina M. Bobo. You certainly are a very eager bunny hunter!

Fortunately on the site they do not blur out the breasts. That is all I need to make my choice.

Tell me more about Miss Jennnifffer. Leave out nothing, no matter how shameful or shameless.

Bobo.fr

04-25-11, 09:46

.

Tell me more about Miss Jennnifffer. Leave out nothing, no matter how shameful or shameless. Here's my first post about Jenifer (Tuesday July 20th) : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1047755&viewfull=1#post1047755

OK, my posts are very short (our "reference" Angus knew that!)

My meetings are not based on "techniques" but much more on complicity, tenderness, involvement. Etc.

(see for example : http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1109456#post1109456 Or http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=939471#post939471)

You may understand that refusal ("French") kisses always recalls me that I'm paying for sex services and doesn't improve the quality of the meeting. By the way, I am not interested (at all) in CIM as many punters do!

The Limey

04-25-11, 13:49

. By the way, I am not interested (at all) in CIM as many punters do!What about CIN? Ohh, one of them had better be tight!

The Limey

04-25-11, 13:58

Just wanted to recommend Chantal at the Breakaway Republic of Ekstase for a good massage. She's a bit older than I normally go for, but she has clearly spent those years perfecting her craft.

Basically I was putty in her hands, a-groaning and a-squirming the whole time.

Txl Muc

04-25-11, 18:35

Hi Angus.

Thanks for the response. Actually, this is not the agency I was referring to. If you look on berlin-intim you will see that there is another firm with the same name, that does Chinese takeaways only. Search for instance for modelle 'Yuki-Bebe' and you will be led to their main page on Berlin-intim, but they appear to have no website otherwise.

Best,

CCharlie. While you are interested in outcall, they seem to operate in Torst (Mitte) and Lepsiusstr (Steglitz).

They thus have 2 listing on Berlin-Intim, Escort-6565 and Club-6560. If you search for Event Torstrasse,

Google will give limited intel. Would be interested in a report if you try the agency.

The Limey

04-26-11, 08:31

You may understand that refusal ("French") kisses always recalls me that I'm paying for sex services and doesn't improve the quality of the meeting.Well, certainly this is a big issue in Europe. If a girl rebuffs kisses, it signifies that she is less interested in pleasing the man than she is in asserting power by the nearest available route, I. E. Displeasing the man!

MementoMori

04-29-11, 13:28

Angus Magee

05-01-11, 17:03

Do the have a webpage?They sure do. Here it is.

http://www.ekstase-massage.de/html/team.html

AM

MementoMori

05-02-11, 12:04

They sure do. Here it is.

http://www.ekstase-massage.de/html/team.html

AMAngus, have you been there?

Anonymous8888

05-03-11, 03:42

I will be visiting Berlin and Cologne shortly. Does anyone know where I can find lactating or pregnant girls? It is a bit of a (twisted) fantasy.

Angus Magee

05-03-11, 07:09

Angus, have you been there?No I have not. Were I going for this type of massage though this place would be very high on the list of places to go.

A

Charlie 123

05-03-11, 21:17

I will be visiting Berlin and Cologne shortly. Does anyone know where I can find lactating or pregnant girls? It is a bit of a (twisted) fantasy.Try the maternity ward at the local Krankenhaus. If it's closed, ask for the lunatic asylum and request a bed near the window.

The Limey

05-03-11, 23:08

Enough time has passed, enough tears, for me to give the tale of how I parted ways with Tiffany's.

Arriving that fateful night, I was greeted by one of the best pieces of eye candy ever. A tall blonde slim big-breasted big-bottomed girl dressed in nothing but lingerie. She sat me down and then three or four other girls shuffled in, but my eyes were glazed over and my ears were stopped with cotton wool. Even as Luna the great Brazilian star sashayed her bunda through the room, it was like I was in another world. When the hausmutti came in, I just muttered the first name I had heard that night: Trixy.

http://www.ritter11.de/bordell-girls/trixy.php

In the corridor we chatted nicely. She's an actual Berliner. She had a bit of English and I had a bit of German so by mashing it up we were just about able to understand each of other. But it was enough for me to just ogle her. I was getting hornier and hornier.

In the room she took off the frillies. My jaw dropped. Six feet of gorgeous Teutonic flesh. I thought, oh boy, soon I'm going to be stecken it to her! I felt like R. Crumb slavering over one of his Amazonians:

http://lattaland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/robert-crumb-strong-girl.gif

"On der Bett!" she shrieked suddenly."Schnell!"

I hopped on eagerly.

"Achtung! Sitz here! Sitz der! Nein, on der Towelle! Schneller! Nicht touch me! Stoppen das! Sitz! Hier! Dicke uppe! Spermisch ready! On der Towelle! Waffles!"

She jammed a condom onto me and started pumping my Schwanz like a jackhammer. But I was shrivelling up. At this she seemed to fly into a rage."Stiffen der Dicke! Gott imm Zimmer! Was ist der Matter with der Dicke! Scheisse, blicken meinen titten! Stiffen uppe!" For some reason, Mr. Jimmy wasn't responding to the physical or even the verbal stimulation.

It went on like that for several minutes.

I started putting on my clothes. Suddenly she realized I was actually going to walk out on her.

Her manner changed again. She sat down and put on a sad face."Never I have problem in 18 years. Everyone like Trixy. Trixy nice girl. Nobody have problem with Trixy. Because Trixy smile like this, see? Everybody like Trixy. See how good girl smile."

She looked as if she was about to burst into tears. I started to feel sorry for her. Until I remembered she had snaffled away about seventy of my Euros just a few minutes earlier.

I took the exit slide and landed in that small and mystifying courtyard at the bottom. The rest of the night is a blur.

Tuxsmasher

05-04-11, 21:14

I took the exit slide and landed in that small and mystifying courtyard at the bottom. The rest of the night is a blur.I was at Tiffany's once and got the same treatment. It's a hit and miss place. Best to avoid if you don't like adventures and hilariously placed extras.

Angus Magee

05-05-11, 18:01

I will be visiting Berlin and Cologne shortly. Does anyone know where I can find lactating or pregnant girls? It is a bit of a (twisted) fantasy.Twisted maybe but not uncommon. This just showed up on the German forum.

http://www.sinnesfeuer.de/kontaktanzeige/schwanger-huebsch-und-sexy/deutschland/flirt-abenteuer/27336/

AM

Bobby Cph

05-07-11, 07:47

Looks like http://harmoniemassagen.de/ Are giving their place a make over:

"Achtung-wir renovieren und machen alles NEU-deswegen bleibt unser Geschäft bis zum 30. Mai. 2011 geschlossen!

Wir freuen uns auf unsere Neueröffnung."

So it's closed until May 30th.

The Limey

05-09-11, 18:37

I will be visiting Berlin and Cologne shortly. Does anyone know where I can find lactating or pregnant girls? It is a bit of a (twisted) fantasy.According to their web pages, Tiffany's can entertain practically any special request.

http://ritter11.de/newbie.php

Phone them or leave a message on their guest page with a brief introduction and a description of what you are looking for. Something along the lines of "Hi I'm American! Do you have any heavily pregnant girls there right now?"

Don't forget to put the more twisted shit in there too. They love that kind of stuff.

Be warned though. They are the kind of people who will offer the teat to your desperate mouth and then snatch it away again!

If no luck, try Van Kampen.

Rocketboy0

05-11-11, 17:53

Recently Tiffany's (Ritter11. De) has been getting some bum press here. Always difficult to generalize about places, especially with a large number of providers. I have not been often (maybe a dozen times over 3 years) but at least with Paulina and Zoe, all have been roaring good fun and value. Passionate, no up-selling, GFE uber alles. Their website is very well organized and you can see who what when more easily than most. It is a bit, ah well "efficient" there, set in an old hoff / warehouse upper floor, although once inside, all bathed in tasteful, red bordellish decor so don't be put off. I like the waiting room with its wall to wall hundreds of framed porn star pictures, which suggests somehow a sense of humour. Sometimes tight management can seem a little cool but at least there is no faffing about and in any case, the women have been just more than fine, Zoe especially with her cool water warm up. You must go to understand. I cannot speak for how other's mileage may vary (could be the giver, could be the receiver, or the mix) but I think it's well worth a visit. Other places have easier access and travel times from where I am, or due to my being often kidnapped and dragged to Artemis, it's just out of laziness that I don't go more often. I've never left feeling anything other than satisfied.

Lucforli

05-12-11, 17:24

I am not able to call the phone number present in the website. I try to contact then by email, too. But, noone answered. Do you have information about them?

http://klein-zierlich.de/escortservice-berlin-anna.html

A very pleasant and friendly Romanian girl, probably 20-27 yrs, hard to pin down an exact age. Looks very much like the pictures. Is a heavy smoker, which may be a negative for some. Stated height is probably close to correct. Add on another 5 kilos maybe, but still a very petitte girl.

Ann was very cheerful and enthusiastic, even more so than Lina of the same agency who is no slouch, so will be hard to complain there. FO / FT is available, as is AV (did not take up the latter so don't know if fee would have been involved for it). The FO was willing and all but she wasnt all that great at it. She is far behind Lina in that department. All main sex was done well.

Overall this girl will please many and is more than worth the 120 fee. My view is that Lina was pretter and more skilled all round. But that is no knock on Anna. If half the girls in this business gave her level of effort, well there'd be a hellova lot happier punters.

Angus Magee

05-12-11, 18:30

I am not able to call the phone number present in the website. I try to contact then by email, too. But, noone answered. Do you have information about them?K&Z is on vacation and will return sometime in the summer. I doubt even when they are here in Berlin that the email would be answered.

AM

AdultChris69

05-15-11, 16:38

Hi,

I will be in Berlin and I am looking for a young, slim lady who can squirt.

Any recommendations?

Thanks

The Limey

05-15-11, 18:40

Hi,

I will be in Berlin and I am looking for a young, slim lady who can squirt. A true lady would never squirt.

Bobo.fr

05-16-11, 00:44

Hi,

I will be in Berlin and I am looking for a young, slim lady who can squirt.

Any recommendations?

ThanksSquirt = natursekt?

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/faehig.htm

AdultChris69

05-16-11, 07:43

Squirt = natursekt?

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/faehig.htmNo, here in German:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weibliche_Ejakulation

And English.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation

Angus Magee

05-16-11, 19:28

squirt = natursekt?

http://www.kamilla-dee.com/faehig.htmsquirt does not = natursekt or [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134). squirting is a rare and much misunderstood phenomenon in which the woman ejaculates a clear liquid (this is why it is usually thought to be [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)) from the urethra. the liquid is produced by a gland that is sort of the female equivalent to the prostate gland in the male. the liquid is much like semen but of course without the sperm and thus not as viscous.

squirting is pretty rare in the general population of women and i should imagine even more rare in p4p. to squirt the woman must be highly orgasmic and / or pretty comfortable and relaxed. to react as if the woman peed (there is a recent discusion of this nature in the world fkk thread) and to ridicule the woman for loss of blader control can only increase any shame she might feel over this sexual phenomena which is natural and, in my opinion, quite sexy.

why should we care? well, us mongers are always searching for the "gfe" type experience where the paid companion lets go and enjoys herself. this in turn seems to increase our enjoyment. that a hooker can let go to the extent that she releases her "cum" should be celebrated and cherished. in a manner of speaking.

the down side is that squirting has become sort of a thing in porn. most of the porn squirting you see is faked. a woman can take water into her vagina, hold it for a few minutes and then contract her pussy muscles and simulate a squirt. thus some hookers may also be trying to capitalize on this fascination and either fake it with water (not sure of the logistics involved here) or maybe even by peeing at the right moment.

for us monger squirt fans p4p is really not the place to be. if you happen to find a girl who genuinely squirts she will likely not advertise as squirting. real squirting is not an on demand act one can generally conjure.

one really has to look for highly orgasmic service providers and cultivate the relationship and hope she at some point squirts for you.

and for the squeamish among us-do you really expect a woman to take your load in her mouth and savour it unless you would be willing to at least be there to witness her when she ejaculates with out getting all weird on her and telling her she just peed herself?

happy showers.

am

Bobo.fr

05-16-11, 21:32

OK Mangus, thanks for your explanation.

Well, so I think I did see squirt especially from the ladies whose liquid was not clear but white : I especially remember this Spanish lady I met in Den Haag / The Hague who squirted a lot when I licked her breast; it was really exciting to lick her breast and look at this liquid pushed out!

Up to now, she is the only one I met who squirted so much!

In the past, at KD :

- Yolanda (she worked just for some months, some years ago already but up to now, at least one of her photos remains on the web site ) : once, when I did come, I took my dick out of her pussy and saw (still inside this unclosed pussy) this white liquid, exciting indeed !!!

- Marianna (she still works at KD , her face is prettier than the first photo of her webpage may let us think http://www.kamilla-dee.com/english/sexy_girls/marianna-e.htm ) : sometimes, once or twice (not more) I could see (just a bit of) this liquid.

Well, I think that this can not be guaranteed : with the same ladies, sometimes that may happen, sometimes not!

By the way, I feel that many sex-workers prevent themselves from orgasms and squirts : may be I'm wrong?

Rocketboy0

05-16-11, 22:21

Squirting is a rare and much misunderstood phenomenon

AMAM, Bobo, Karl Hungus, and all youse guys - man all this wet stuff is making me reach for my life jacket. Imagine if you could find as per earlier request a woman who while lactating could also squirt. It would be a reverse of the old Carol King song "Shower the People You Love With Love", and rather, Love the People Who Shower You...

Truth be told, I have a kind of long term mistress who does squirt on a regular basis, and it is indeed super geil. It was a bit of a shock the first time, especially in DATY mode. Kind of like being near the blowhole of a whale (not that I would really know) , but impressive once I figured out what hit me. It also adds to the lubricant soup, which perhaps is the evolutionary intent.

But being deliberately on a Squirt Safari seems problematic. The thing is, really, how many ho's really do orgasm during the deed on some predictable basis, and of those who do, how many have this squirting ability? On the former, I have been surprised how many do actually seem to cum, although it depends on the level of trust and probably time of day and number of priors. It has been one of my greatest learning experiences with pros that this is not such a rare thing (you cannot fake the strong contractions involved with the racing heart and flushed skin etc. so I don't believe what I've seen is acting). But on the latter ability to squirt as well - very very rare. The morale of the story; if you really want a sure squirt thing, I think you've got to go with a sperm whale.

Bobo.fr

05-16-11, 22:35

By the way, I feel that many sex-workers prevent themselves from orgasms and squirts : may be I'm wrong?
To be precise :

By the way, I feel that many sex-workers prevent themselves from orgasms and squirts (may be I'm wrong?) By stopping our actions when they seemed to lose control of their successive contractions

ColonelDecker

05-17-11, 16:44

I was in Berlin last week so here are my mongering experiences.

I tried to go to Club Elfen but I couldn't find it. I'm aware that it's above McDonalds but I just could not find the buzzer. Maybe I'm blind but I just could not see it, so I went to Club Mac, which is just a short stroll away. I found their doorbell no problem, the housefrau answered and led me into a dark and dingy room. She explained that it's fifty euros for thirty mins, including BBBJ. Three girls were presented to me. I selected Lusy, the best looking and youngest, but was informed that she was not available? Why show her to me then? I settled for Sylvie, a slighly rough looking Bulgarian, around thirty years old. She tried to put a condom on me straight away. I pointed out that I had paid for BBBJ so, with a sigh, she led me to the sink and washed my meat. I got pretty hard while she rubbed my prick with soap and warm water. She gestured with the palm of her hand and said "kontrol kontrol", which I think is Bulgarian for "don't cum in my mouth you sleazy bastard". She then inspected my cock from every angle for around a minute before taking it in her mouth for a sweet BBBJ, just as I was ready to cum, she rolled a condom on then bent over for some doggy style. As soon as I entered her gaping vulva she started all this corny fake gruntin' and groanin' that I found kinda distracting so I got her to finish me off by hand. This place was pretty sleazy and sordid, just like me! Not the best fifty smackers I've ever spent but not the worst either.

The following afternoon I pitched up at Ekstase Massage. There was only one bird on offer, Kamilla, a tall, slim and leggy Latvian around thirty years old. I paid ninety euros for sixty mins of erotic massage. After massaging my back for around fifteen mins she asked if I wanted one orgasm or two. What the hell? A man can't stand on one leg so I settled for two. What followed was an absolute ball blowing experience, a few body slides with her greased up titties over me before wanking me off with one hand and gently stoking my perineum, balls and anus with the fingertips of her other hand. The whole process was then repeated and my second orgasm with even more intense than the first. I certainly wasn't expecting to cum twice in the hour so this was a very pleasant surprise. I can't recommend Ekstase or Kamilla enough.

I would have loved to explore more options but time and money got in the way. Still, I love Berlin. I had a lot of good old fashioned fun and it was all done in the best possible taste!

Geryon

05-17-11, 23:27

Went to Kamilla La Dee today and had a pretty terrible time. After reading so many glowing reports here about KD, I'm rather befuddled.

I emailed Kamila about a week before I arrived in Berlin to schedule some time, and never got a response. Then 3 days before I arrived in Berlin, I called, and I was told to call back on Sunday once the schedule had been set. I called on Sunday, and scheduled an appointment with Bo. I was told to call today half an hour before my appointment to confirm. I called to confirm, was told that Bo was not coming in when I had scheduled her. Grr.

The hausfrau convinced me that I should still come in, and so I went. I'm staying in Mitte, and I found it to be a surprisingly long train ride- getting to Artemis took much less time.

Once arriving I was presented with 3 ladies. Betty, Nathalie and Marie. I chose Betty as the best looking of the bunch. I think I prefer Artemis where you can get to know a bit more about the girl before you head off to the room. Betty seemed very sweet at first, tall blond with small tits (which I like) , but as soon as we got into the room she became a robot. Clothes off, she tried to upsell me 20 euros for kissing and BBJ. The kissing was once and briefly, and the BBJ lasted about ten seconds and then the rest was awkward mechanical fucking. I was glad to take the half hour because her mushi was definitely smelly, there was no attempt to even look like she was enjoying it. I ended halfway just asking for a handjob because it was not worth spending anymore time doing it with her.

Once it was finally over, she jetted out of the room. The housefrau came in and asked me how I enjoyed myself. I mumbled "it was okay" and got out of there.

Bobby Cph

05-18-11, 11:33

Clothes off, she tried to upsell me 20 euros for kissing and BBJ. The kissing was once and briefly, and the BBJ lasted about ten seconds and then the rest was awkward mechanical fucking.Upselling and BBJ (second time as far as I remember reported here at ISG) at KD. The reason why I like KD is that usually if the girl kisses it is because she wants to, not for the money. And I also like to kiss a girl when I know that she didn't just had another mans (uncovered) dick in her mouth.

Rocketboy0

05-18-11, 16:35

Went to Kamilla La Dee today and had a pretty terrible time. After reading so many glowing reports here about KD, I'm rather befuddled.G. What can we say- it happens. Just bad luck. That your intended did not show is also part of the deal. Not management's fault, as it has to drive them nuts as well. It's just all part of the apartment business model where you never really know who is there or available til the moment before, and then have to select quickly. And then you cannot predict chemistry, certainly from the other side. You rightly state the advantages of having time to talk at Artemis, though ultimately, even that merely increases the odds-it does not guarantee anything. Not very often, but a few times, I've had some fine preliminary chats and then things went south in the room. The real pros who are just in it for money know how to play the game beforehand and some are willing to just shut down the signals to score. But then, chemistry cannot be circumvented-it rules.

If there is one way of somewhat increasing the odds, a slightly older provider helps, at least either the first time you meet, or if you're not sure. They're just more settled in the game, and with themselves. More of a chance of what you see and want is what you will get. The other thing is just push it a little on the chit chat front for a couple of minutes before selecting - be explicit what you want and watch the body language and eye contact. I usually joke about it saying - I have to ask a very romantic question or two - will she do this or that so it´s clear what expected and what it will or will not cost. And then I would say with a new recruit - look I know it´s just business, but if she´s not attracted to me or won´t relax and enjoy it as well, better we both know it now and admit it´s a bad idea -even with a slight touch of the hand or shoulder while doing so. You can tell a fair bit by the reaction. And if you´re not comfortable asking or doing that cause the vibe does not feel right - that is telling you something and you should bolt. I still think KD is a very fine place, and lots of good choices (too bad you passed up Natalie who I think rocks). Better luck next time. You could go with our Nordic novelist Frej (see Artemis thread), who, if things went badly again, could at least drive you out of there at 250 kmh...

The Limey

05-18-11, 18:07

Commiserations Geryon. Kamilla Dee is one of the more reliable places in town. I like KD. But your report shows how even KD can fall down through poor screening.

I emailed Kamila about a week before I arrived in Berlin to schedule some time, and never got a response. Then 3 days before I arrived in Berlin, I called, and I was told to call back on Sunday once the schedule had been set. I called on Sunday, and scheduled an appointment with Bo. I was told to call today half an hour before my appointment to confirm. I called to confirm, was told that Bo was not coming in when I had scheduled her. Grr.The appointments process at KD can be a bit daunting for a newcomer. Sometimes you feel more like an applicant than a customer. Once you get used to it it's not so bad, but still, considering the relative priciness of KD, the management could do more to ensure that the girls fulfill their end of the bargain and are there when they are supposed to be.

Once arriving I was presented with 3 ladies. Betty, Nathalie and Marie. I chose Betty as the best looking of the bunch. I think I prefer Artemis where you can get to know a bit more about the girl before you head off to the room. Betty seemed very sweet at first, tall blond with small tits (which I like) , but as soon as we got into the room she became a robot. Clothes off, she tried to upsell me 20 euros for kissing and BBJ. The kissing was once and briefly, and the BBJ lasted about ten seconds and then the rest was awkward mechanical fucking. I was glad to take the half hour because her mushi was definitely smelly, there was no attempt to even look like she was enjoying it. I ended halfway just asking for a handjob because it was not worth spending anymore time doing it with her.I see Betty is the newest recruit at Kamilla Dee. I have not met her. Judging from your report, I hope she does not last long. Upselling in the room is a big no-no. This is one reason I dislike the "extras" system in other bordellos. If you are unwise enough to accept, the extras are usually delivered poorly. Let us hope KD does not slide to the standard of the other places.